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  • […] with additional posts responding to his critics. While those got noticed, he had actually written a far-longer article in March that few people had read, and its edges were even sharper. Bearing the title “Toward a […]

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  • Hey Stupid (Decius or whatever your name is)

    The Conservatives you decry and besmirch have been fighting the fight.

    We won back control of Congress in both houses. Then they torpedoed us all by caving to Obama and the democrats repeatedly. THAT is what gave rise to Donald Trump. The Conservative movement has not sold themselves out, the people they elected did by their actions once they got to Washington. Your entire “essay” smacks of Alinsky through and through and does nothing but further divide the base.

    This election has nothing to do with “the flight 93 effect”, it has everything to do with anger and change. We are drifting perilously close to an actual civil war, and if we are not careful, words, articles and smear will give way to bullets, clubs and spears. So go ahead, keep mouthing off. Just understand that in such circumstances (which some idiots out there actually wish for), you people die first. Anyone from the “revolutionary” regime will seek out and target all dissenters and troublemakers and execute them, by whatever means necessary, regardless of how anonymous you think you are, you will be found.

    Hitler and every other Tyrant without exception has done the same.

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  • @Agent76
    Dec 18, 2015 Donald Trump: The Establishment Candidate

    While his rise in the polls is attributed to his challenging the establishment and the political status quo, let's look at the many ways Donald Trump, when it comes to his political positions, represents that very same status quo. From the Fed, to war, to civil liberties, the "anti-establishment" Trump takes no positions not already endorsed by the establishment.

    https://youtu.be/vt2NPP1z-y8

    On immigration Trump represents a radical departure from the establishment. He actually wants to enforce immigration law.

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  • @Anon
    Very well done, good politicians seldom have the intellectual or policy chops to further their inchoate ideas. This is a really good start to putting some flesh on the bones of the make America great again slogan. It'd be great if the writer latched on to some of people in the Trump campaign. IF they win, they will have to govern, and having some worked out philosophy will help them pick people and priorities. I am worried that Trump will completely screw the pooch once he is in office and discredit Trumpism.

    As an economist, we don't have a lot to guide the middle way between free trade and protection. Our models aren't really good enough to say where to go. He'll have to reach outside the economics profession to set his trade policy but somebody who is still aware enough of economics to avoid some big pitfalls.

    I’m not sure that Trump’s “scattershot” approach is not deliberate.
    At the start of his campaign I thought he was flying by the seat of his pant, but I’m not so sure anymore.
    It’s obvious to me he has a well thought out strategy and picked the right “generals” to carry out the battle plan.
    I’m no longer inclined to second guess him.
    I don’t think it’s an inability to articulate or formulate his policies. Rather it’s an innate understanding that a leader is the one with the overarching vision. The details will be worked out by those around him.
    I suspect he’s been surrounding himself with quality people long before the time he finally decided to run.

    It’s been so easy to underestimate him and be proven wrong that that I’m no longer inclined to do it.

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    The tone is different than yours, but their facts are solid.

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  • Talha says:
    @joe webb
    Hi Talha, you are familiar with the bell curve. In any cohort of people or race, despite an average IQ of X (low ), there will always be, on the right tail of the curve, a lot of smart folks, who can, if they have political power, gets things done, relatively rationally. That explains ancient rchitecture in the Third World of today, for example, where elites held power and certainly kept the stupids under strict control.

    Arab IQ , per Richard Lynn, IQ and Global Inequality, is @ average 84-5. Egypt is 81 probably because of interbreeding with black Africans. African IQ average is 67. We use 70 as the starting point of of mental retardation, or whatever the polite term is now.

    Societies of dimly-witted people need Strong Men to rule them. Societies of even smarter people, tend to seek leadership, and that is a good thing. It is primal in social animals...finding the Leader. The leader makes the most sense, makes good decisions, and has his retinue of closer supporters.

    Whites, going all the way back to antiquity, put severe constraints on a Maximum Leader. This is known as Aristocracy, or rule by the few, but certainly not rule by a single Maximum leader. When Rome degenerated into Empire, the Maximum Leader doctrine was theorized as the Principate, or in the case of HItler, the Prinzip, if I got the spelling right.

    The distinction is " the leader" and opposed to " a leader". No aristocracy allowed, in White history, for The Leader. Furthermore in Rome, Leadership was always linked to Advise and Consent...as we term it now.

    When what we call dictators arose in White societies, it was and is an aberration of the general norm, and in Rome, per some writers, was a function of Empire and the corruptions of great wealth, and loss of virtu due to, as we would say now, "too big to fail" as irony, and the loss of solid Latin ethnic solidarity, which had obtained throughout the Republic. In other words, the cosmopolitanism that followed empire and funny ideas like Stoicism, led to a polyglot racial problem and loss of virtu and too many stupid people.

    Everywhere else in the world today it is The Leader, or Oriental Despotism to use the old Enlightenment term which was developed during the great age of exploration of the world outside of Europe. There is no republican/democratic principle there. It is the Strong Leader, One Man.

    This is explained by either low IQ or Temperamental factors like submissiveness, etc. or both. Thus East Asia of the north which is slightly higher in IQ than whites, nevertheless is the prime example of Oriental Despotism. It will always be despotism because of submissive temperaments. UR last year had a bi0-cultural coevolution article of rice agriculture vs. wheat agriculture which described how submissive/collectivist personality types were developed traits of rice growing, as opposed to individualist traits due to wheat growing.

    The rest of the Third World...it is low IQ, like India whose national IQ average is 82. India is not a democracy per western white standards.

    This is all biology and its traits...not ethics. So I hope this sketch addresses some of your concerns.

    Women , per evolution and biology, are the custodians of children and nurturers in general. That is just biology. I saw a recent study that found that men have far less patience and interest in child care than women.

    Women carry purses cuz they are gatherers, and men carry spears or the equivalent today because we are hunters. Of course, there are always exceptions, but this is the general rule. Women are tad less smart, in general about 5 points, than men, or white men anyway from studies.

    They can become good professionals, but after 120 IQ, men leave them in the dust on the way up to very high IQs. This is just biology and evolution. The glass ceiling is not glass, it is biology -a trait rooted in tens of thousands of years of evolution.

    I am pro-arab in the context of the jewish wars that the US fights. However, I am a racialist, and Arabs do not fit in Europe because of low IQ and Islam, which empirically, tends to extremism.

    Blacks do not fit, nor do Chinese fit in White countries. Nowhere on the planet is there any race or even ethnic mixing (think the White Balkans for example) that works. look at Arab clan/tribal problems here there is not even a race/ethnic problem.

    We are tribal, and that is because of Evolution...our tens of thousands of years of bio history was tribal, the primal horde, etc. All of us. I was chatting with an 18 year old white gal the other day who started using the word "oppression" with regard to blacks.

    I said, please. I gave her homework to go home and google the Minnesota Twin study with regard to identicals separated at birth and raised in differing environments. The next day I saw her and she was shocked, but because she is smart, she was able to talk reasonably about it. More is coming for her...next is racial IQ.

    She mentioned a local school that she did not like. I said how come? She said she just did not like them. I asked why again. Turned out that the school is her school's athletic rival.
    I said, uh, tribalism..huh? She blushed. White upper middle class schools, both of them. She got it but her probably high IQ helped.

    This is biological reality. The key to world peace is Separation of the Races and Reason based trade , not globalism...another story. We all can get along, but not on the basis of equality, but on the basis of mutual respect...a form of love.

    Thank you for your courtesy. Joe Webb

    Dear Joe,

    Now this is reasoned discourse, thanks – much better than the playground antics that passes for ‘discussion’ on these type of boards.

    I can see why you have come to your conclusions. Though I disagree, you don’t seem to be the type of person who feels racial differences (and advantages of one over another) are means to call for oppression or exploitation of others; this is respectable.

    It seems you are fundamentally a materialist – perhaps I’m wrong – so all things boil down to genetic traits, evolution, etc. I’m not sure whether or not you accord any weight to human free will or whether you believe actions are determinate based on the genetic composition and hereditary traits.

    My personal objections have to do with giving IQ far too much weight in the determination of the success of a society. To me, IQ, like physical strength, acute eyesight, resistance to diseases, or a host of other genetically related human advantages are essentially amplifiers. It allows the tribe/nation/group to carry out the fulfillment of the “collective will”. Unfortunately, depending on what exactly that will is, can bespeak of either disaster or prosperity. Case in point, the two most horrific conflicts in the world’s history were basically steel-cage-no-holds-barred matches between the societies of the highest IQs – mostly “White”, though the intelligent “Asians” also gave it what-for. They unleashed their fury on each other in an industrialized manner that was unprecedented and burned each other’s cities to the ground in a manner that would have given the Mongol Horde pause.

    IQ does not necessarily equate with wisdom, they have a correlation, but are distinct. I can easily see that societies, maybe duller than us, would look at developing and maintaining the technical ability to destroy the world multiple times over with askance. They would be pardoned for believing this to be madness. Furthermore, the societies with the highest IQs seem to be the ones with the penchant for having negative replacement birth-rates. I have four kids, not actually a whole lot, but children are not easy to raise correctly. They require constant attention. Societies that have given up the ability to raise children in stable families have demonstrated incomprehension with the basic consequences of time preference – which is neither wise nor intelligent. They are building the material foundations which other people will simply inherit – irrespective of whether they had the requisite IQ to build it themselves.

    From a purely evolutionary perspective, intelligence is not an indicator of genetic success.

    There were a few other things you mentioned that don’t pan out to my reading of history, I could be wrong. One thing you mentioned is that aristocracy in the ‘white’ world was distinct and had limitations put on it. I honestly haven’t come across evidence of, say the Safavids, Ottomans, or other world dynasties operating on different terms vis-a-vis its rulers and population. In fact, Suleiman ‘the Magnificent’ was known for his legislative reforms – this was years before anything of the like was ushered into much of Europe (there were exceptions like the Magna Carta and the Swiss Confederacy, of course).

    You reference the societies in the third world that need strong men to keep them together. I would disagree. You need a strong man to keep a nation-state together in those regions. Tribal and aboriginal people are fiercely independent and decentralized. Europe hasn’t been tribal for centuries and forgotten that part of its history. Tribal people’s concepts of freedom would be radical in our understanding. Unfortunately, they were given the nation-state model which is a particularly European invention and forged in the context of cataclysmic events like the plague, Protestant Reformation, Thirty-year’s war, etc. The problems we see now are a result of a circle trying to be fit into a square hole.

    If you survey the Muslim world starting from only hundred years ago, I would understand why you would think Islam “empirically, tends to extremism”. If you survey the entire historical narrative, then you see that it indeed has these waves of fanaticism that raise their heads every couple of centuries. They cause trouble and mayhem, and are then either fought and brought to heel or just die off on their own. The resurgent Jihadist-Wahhabism is the face of this scourge in our day and age – they are loud for their numbers, but “empirically” the vast majority of the Muslim world is just not on board with their agenda. The flames are also fanned by things like drone strikes, invasions of countries that haven’t attacked us, our sales of arms to dynasties like the Saud, and a host of other things which you are already well-aware of since you did work against the ghastly sanctions against the Iraqi people. Out of that very legitimate anger, you have people who take the response to the extreme and find religious justification to promote it – that is not surprising to me, does it actually surprise you?

    Racial/ethnic mixing in societies can be a very powerful instrument. If they can get along in a generally civil manner. Just one example; the Ottomans were the longest lasting dynasty in human history. Though they were the rulers, their genius in being able to take advantage of the skills and aptitudes of the various peoples under them were the core of their strength. As the Jews (many of them skilled physicians and merchants) were expelled from Spain by the Alhambra Decree, the Ottoman’s absorbed them and it is recorded that Sultan Bayazid mused to his court, “You venture to call Ferdinand a wise ruler; he who has impoverished his own country and enriched mine!” The skill is in maintaining that civility and avoiding breakdown of law and order. America has absorbed many of the most intelligent people from other countries and they have enriched it so it should be selective of who it lets in – that seems to be a rational policy. However, I do agree with you, that once the rot sets in and people fracture along ethnic/tribal lines, this can lead to a very frightening outcome and have one questioning whether all the previous advantages were worth it.

    May God grant you honor in this life and the next.

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  • @iffen
    Joe Webb,

    Quit trying to bonk 18 year olds, you are embarrassing yourself.

    iffen

    another resenter. And I see no argument, only ad hominemism.

    The thing that attracts young gals to me is not only my relatively good looks, but my great arguments…they have the Aha! experience.

    Young people can be approached more easily than the college ruined and liberal arts lies. The Aha experience is strong enough to smash thru what was once called the paper tiger…the tissue of flimsy claims as well as perhaps having the benefit of youthful rebellion, in this case, rebellion against liberalism as opposed to the rebellion against the conservatism of my youth.

    Today’s establishment is in big trouble, in every way, and while youthful white altruism is still around, which is good, they can be instructed by facts and personal example, calm, knowledgable, friendly and yes, sexy inasmuch as there is nothing wrong with that…just human. Is Bernie Sanders sexy? What attractiveness he has is just ideological..lots of failed ideas seeking one more time.

    Do women find Trump sexy? Probably. Women are attracted to power and powerful personalities. This is just evolution…the particular need of women for a provider for children, not just herself. Also, since only recently have women begun to be able to earn good salaries, the history their evolution has been dependence on men.

    The new cosmopolitanism that Frees our gals to dream the impossible dream…is a dead-end, but many of our white women do not figure it out until it is too late, when their youthful bloom is gone, they are childless and 50 years old. So much for the jewish subversion of feminism.

    Envy, rivalry, competition, and so on, is just part of the evolutionary order. Strong males go to the top of the breeding hierarchy in all social animals. That is what has helped evolution along, a bio-cultural accelerator.

    African sexual non-discriminative breeding, and the Free Love of White low-life, breeds half-wits, and can establish no distinctive high status , high intelligence Family and clan cohort that can help build an aristocratic order based on quality genes.

    Part of personal power is the ability to charm. Personal prestige is based on ability, accomplishment, good looks (something the ancient world of Greco-Roman and Germanic types revered) and wealth also…which does not hurt, but is not absolutely necessary, except in a commercial society like ours.

    I seem to recall that HItler said somewhere that he needed to remain unmarried for the German woman’s psychological needs. HItler was arguably not great looking, but he had Personality, and was charismatic and a good speaker. Oratory has died out in our age of print media, and maybe there is something very primal about oratory….the speech around the bonfire, etc.

    Song and oratory are similar…visceral in effect. Trump is not a great orator, but he at least can speak with few notes, and keep it not pointy-headed intellectual, but with diction to match everyday speech of whites.

    They love it. It is the B S orientation of the public intellectuals, and media flunkies and cliche civics lessons parroting by the pols…the buzz of TV…white folks have had enough.

    Ans this is here to stay….nor more B S is what white folks crave.

    And , they still love beauty pageants, and sex women and men…just biology folks…and especially they love the beauty of the White race, men and women, the most beautiful race on the planet.
    Joe Web

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  • @iffen

    To win this fight we will have to win over many people who see us who post here at the Unz review as facists.
     

    A significant number who post here are fascists. Doesn’t that give your hopes a fatal flaw?


    Point

    akaHorace said "others" view the people who post here as fascists. He wants to win over many of the "others" and views their perception that we commenters are fascists as an impediment to winning them over. If he is serious about winning then he needs to understand that some of the commenters here are fascists and take that into consideration when he makes plans if any. Nazis, fascists and WNs cannot be a part of a political solution to the problems that the US currently faces and their participation would prevent the development of any workable political movement.

    You can express any political dogma or beliefs that you desire. You are not free to dictate to me how I perceive that expression.

    Joe Webb,

    Quit trying to bonk 18 year olds, you are embarrassing yourself.

    iffen

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    another resenter. And I see no argument, only ad hominemism.

    The thing that attracts young gals to me is not only my relatively good looks, but my great arguments...they have the Aha! experience.

    Young people can be approached more easily than the college ruined and liberal arts lies. The Aha experience is strong enough to smash thru what was once called the paper tiger...the tissue of flimsy claims as well as perhaps having the benefit of youthful rebellion, in this case, rebellion against liberalism as opposed to the rebellion against the conservatism of my youth.

    Today's establishment is in big trouble, in every way, and while youthful white altruism is still around, which is good, they can be instructed by facts and personal example, calm, knowledgable, friendly and yes, sexy inasmuch as there is nothing wrong with that...just human. Is Bernie Sanders sexy? What attractiveness he has is just ideological..lots of failed ideas seeking one more time.

    Do women find Trump sexy? Probably. Women are attracted to power and powerful personalities. This is just evolution...the particular need of women for a provider for children, not just herself. Also, since only recently have women begun to be able to earn good salaries, the history their evolution has been dependence on men.

    The new cosmopolitanism that Frees our gals to dream the impossible dream...is a dead-end, but many of our white women do not figure it out until it is too late, when their youthful bloom is gone, they are childless and 50 years old. So much for the jewish subversion of feminism.

    Envy, rivalry, competition, and so on, is just part of the evolutionary order. Strong males go to the top of the breeding hierarchy in all social animals. That is what has helped evolution along, a bio-cultural accelerator.

    African sexual non-discriminative breeding, and the Free Love of White low-life, breeds half-wits, and can establish no distinctive high status , high intelligence Family and clan cohort that can help build an aristocratic order based on quality genes.

    Part of personal power is the ability to charm. Personal prestige is based on ability, accomplishment, good looks (something the ancient world of Greco-Roman and Germanic types revered) and wealth also...which does not hurt, but is not absolutely necessary, except in a commercial society like ours.

    I seem to recall that HItler said somewhere that he needed to remain unmarried for the German woman's psychological needs. HItler was arguably not great looking, but he had Personality, and was charismatic and a good speaker. Oratory has died out in our age of print media, and maybe there is something very primal about oratory....the speech around the bonfire, etc.

    Song and oratory are similar...visceral in effect. Trump is not a great orator, but he at least can speak with few notes, and keep it not pointy-headed intellectual, but with diction to match everyday speech of whites.

    They love it. It is the B S orientation of the public intellectuals, and media flunkies and cliche civics lessons parroting by the pols...the buzz of TV...white folks have had enough.

    Ans this is here to stay....nor more B S is what white folks crave.

    And , they still love beauty pageants, and sex women and men...just biology folks...and especially they love the beauty of the White race, men and women, the most beautiful race on the planet.
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  • Will “führer” do? NR’s Kevin Williamson has joined the “conservative” Trump=Hitler brigade.

    http://journalofamericangreatness.blogspot.com/2016/03/a-pundit-of-no-character.html

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  • To win this fight we will have to win over many people who see us who post here at the Unz review as facists.


    A significant number who post here are fascists. Doesn’t that give your hopes a fatal flaw?

    Point

    akaHorace said “others” view the people who post here as fascists. He wants to win over many of the “others” and views their perception that we commenters are fascists as an impediment to winning them over. If he is serious about winning then he needs to understand that some of the commenters here are fascists and take that into consideration when he makes plans if any. Nazis, fascists and WNs cannot be a part of a political solution to the problems that the US currently faces and their participation would prevent the development of any workable political movement.

    You can express any political dogma or beliefs that you desire. You are not free to dictate to me how I perceive that expression.

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    Joe Webb,

    Quit trying to bonk 18 year olds, you are embarrassing yourself.

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  • Hi Talha, you are familiar with the bell curve. In any cohort of people or race, despite an average IQ of X (low ), there will always be, on the right tail of the curve, a lot of smart folks, who can, if they have political power, gets things done, relatively rationally. That explains ancient rchitecture in the Third World of today, for example, where elites held power and certainly kept the stupids under strict control.

    Arab IQ , per Richard Lynn, IQ and Global Inequality, is @ average 84-5. Egypt is 81 probably because of interbreeding with black Africans. African IQ average is 67. We use 70 as the starting point of of mental retardation, or whatever the polite term is now.

    Societies of dimly-witted people need Strong Men to rule them. Societies of even smarter people, tend to seek leadership, and that is a good thing. It is primal in social animals…finding the Leader. The leader makes the most sense, makes good decisions, and has his retinue of closer supporters.

    Whites, going all the way back to antiquity, put severe constraints on a Maximum Leader. This is known as Aristocracy, or rule by the few, but certainly not rule by a single Maximum leader. When Rome degenerated into Empire, the Maximum Leader doctrine was theorized as the Principate, or in the case of HItler, the Prinzip, if I got the spelling right.

    The distinction is ” the leader” and opposed to ” a leader”. No aristocracy allowed, in White history, for The Leader. Furthermore in Rome, Leadership was always linked to Advise and Consent…as we term it now.

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    When what we call dictators arose in White societies, it was and is an aberration of the general norm, and in Rome, per some writers, was a function of Empire and the corruptions of great wealth, and loss of virtu due to, as we would say now, “too big to fail” as irony, and the loss of solid Latin ethnic solidarity, which had obtained throughout the Republic. In other words, the cosmopolitanism that followed empire and funny ideas like Stoicism, led to a polyglot racial problem and loss of virtu and too many stupid people.

    Everywhere else in the world today it is The Leader, or Oriental Despotism to use the old Enlightenment term which was developed during the great age of exploration of the world outside of Europe. There is no republican/democratic principle there. It is the Strong Leader, One Man.

    This is explained by either low IQ or Temperamental factors like submissiveness, etc. or both. Thus East Asia of the north which is slightly higher in IQ than whites, nevertheless is the prime example of Oriental Despotism. It will always be despotism because of submissive temperaments. UR last year had a bi0-cultural coevolution article of rice agriculture vs. wheat agriculture which described how submissive/collectivist personality types were developed traits of rice growing, as opposed to individualist traits due to wheat growing.

    The rest of the Third World…it is low IQ, like India whose national IQ average is 82. India is not a democracy per western white standards.

    This is all biology and its traits…not ethics. So I hope this sketch addresses some of your concerns.

    Women , per evolution and biology, are the custodians of children and nurturers in general. That is just biology. I saw a recent study that found that men have far less patience and interest in child care than women.

    Women carry purses cuz they are gatherers, and men carry spears or the equivalent today because we are hunters. Of course, there are always exceptions, but this is the general rule. Women are tad less smart, in general about 5 points, than men, or white men anyway from studies.

    They can become good professionals, but after 120 IQ, men leave them in the dust on the way up to very high IQs. This is just biology and evolution. The glass ceiling is not glass, it is biology -a trait rooted in tens of thousands of years of evolution.

    I am pro-arab in the context of the jewish wars that the US fights. However, I am a racialist, and Arabs do not fit in Europe because of low IQ and Islam, which empirically, tends to extremism.

    Blacks do not fit, nor do Chinese fit in White countries. Nowhere on the planet is there any race or even ethnic mixing (think the White Balkans for example) that works. look at Arab clan/tribal problems here there is not even a race/ethnic problem.

    We are tribal, and that is because of Evolution…our tens of thousands of years of bio history was tribal, the primal horde, etc. All of us. I was chatting with an 18 year old white gal the other day who started using the word “oppression” with regard to blacks.

    I said, please. I gave her homework to go home and google the Minnesota Twin study with regard to identicals separated at birth and raised in differing environments. The next day I saw her and she was shocked, but because she is smart, she was able to talk reasonably about it. More is coming for her…next is racial IQ.

    She mentioned a local school that she did not like. I said how come? She said she just did not like them. I asked why again. Turned out that the school is her school’s athletic rival.
    I said, uh, tribalism..huh? She blushed. White upper middle class schools, both of them. She got it but her probably high IQ helped.

    This is biological reality. The key to world peace is Separation of the Races and Reason based trade , not globalism…another story. We all can get along, but not on the basis of equality, but on the basis of mutual respect…a form of love.

    Thank you for your courtesy. Joe Webb

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    Dear Joe,

    Now this is reasoned discourse, thanks - much better than the playground antics that passes for 'discussion' on these type of boards.

    I can see why you have come to your conclusions. Though I disagree, you don't seem to be the type of person who feels racial differences (and advantages of one over another) are means to call for oppression or exploitation of others; this is respectable.

    It seems you are fundamentally a materialist - perhaps I'm wrong - so all things boil down to genetic traits, evolution, etc. I'm not sure whether or not you accord any weight to human free will or whether you believe actions are determinate based on the genetic composition and hereditary traits.

    My personal objections have to do with giving IQ far too much weight in the determination of the success of a society. To me, IQ, like physical strength, acute eyesight, resistance to diseases, or a host of other genetically related human advantages are essentially amplifiers. It allows the tribe/nation/group to carry out the fulfillment of the "collective will". Unfortunately, depending on what exactly that will is, can bespeak of either disaster or prosperity. Case in point, the two most horrific conflicts in the world's history were basically steel-cage-no-holds-barred matches between the societies of the highest IQs - mostly "White", though the intelligent "Asians" also gave it what-for. They unleashed their fury on each other in an industrialized manner that was unprecedented and burned each other's cities to the ground in a manner that would have given the Mongol Horde pause.

    IQ does not necessarily equate with wisdom, they have a correlation, but are distinct. I can easily see that societies, maybe duller than us, would look at developing and maintaining the technical ability to destroy the world multiple times over with askance. They would be pardoned for believing this to be madness. Furthermore, the societies with the highest IQs seem to be the ones with the penchant for having negative replacement birth-rates. I have four kids, not actually a whole lot, but children are not easy to raise correctly. They require constant attention. Societies that have given up the ability to raise children in stable families have demonstrated incomprehension with the basic consequences of time preference - which is neither wise nor intelligent. They are building the material foundations which other people will simply inherit - irrespective of whether they had the requisite IQ to build it themselves.

    From a purely evolutionary perspective, intelligence is not an indicator of genetic success.

    There were a few other things you mentioned that don't pan out to my reading of history, I could be wrong. One thing you mentioned is that aristocracy in the 'white' world was distinct and had limitations put on it. I honestly haven't come across evidence of, say the Safavids, Ottomans, or other world dynasties operating on different terms vis-a-vis its rulers and population. In fact, Suleiman 'the Magnificent' was known for his legislative reforms - this was years before anything of the like was ushered into much of Europe (there were exceptions like the Magna Carta and the Swiss Confederacy, of course).

    You reference the societies in the third world that need strong men to keep them together. I would disagree. You need a strong man to keep a nation-state together in those regions. Tribal and aboriginal people are fiercely independent and decentralized. Europe hasn't been tribal for centuries and forgotten that part of its history. Tribal people's concepts of freedom would be radical in our understanding. Unfortunately, they were given the nation-state model which is a particularly European invention and forged in the context of cataclysmic events like the plague, Protestant Reformation, Thirty-year's war, etc. The problems we see now are a result of a circle trying to be fit into a square hole.

    If you survey the Muslim world starting from only hundred years ago, I would understand why you would think Islam "empirically, tends to extremism". If you survey the entire historical narrative, then you see that it indeed has these waves of fanaticism that raise their heads every couple of centuries. They cause trouble and mayhem, and are then either fought and brought to heel or just die off on their own. The resurgent Jihadist-Wahhabism is the face of this scourge in our day and age - they are loud for their numbers, but "empirically" the vast majority of the Muslim world is just not on board with their agenda. The flames are also fanned by things like drone strikes, invasions of countries that haven't attacked us, our sales of arms to dynasties like the Saud, and a host of other things which you are already well-aware of since you did work against the ghastly sanctions against the Iraqi people. Out of that very legitimate anger, you have people who take the response to the extreme and find religious justification to promote it - that is not surprising to me, does it actually surprise you?

    Racial/ethnic mixing in societies can be a very powerful instrument. If they can get along in a generally civil manner. Just one example; the Ottomans were the longest lasting dynasty in human history. Though they were the rulers, their genius in being able to take advantage of the skills and aptitudes of the various peoples under them were the core of their strength. As the Jews (many of them skilled physicians and merchants) were expelled from Spain by the Alhambra Decree, the Ottoman's absorbed them and it is recorded that Sultan Bayazid mused to his court, "You venture to call Ferdinand a wise ruler; he who has impoverished his own country and enriched mine!" The skill is in maintaining that civility and avoiding breakdown of law and order. America has absorbed many of the most intelligent people from other countries and they have enriched it so it should be selective of who it lets in - that seems to be a rational policy. However, I do agree with you, that once the rot sets in and people fracture along ethnic/tribal lines, this can lead to a very frightening outcome and have one questioning whether all the previous advantages were worth it.

    May God grant you honor in this life and the next.
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  • @iffen
    "the hit dog hollers"?

    right but the dog lacks reason. So what is your point?

    If you have a point besides dragging out the cliches. Say the magic word, Hitler, and case is closed.

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  • @WorkingClass
    I sincerely hope you are right iffen. I think the Trump supporters will be defeated inasmuch as Trump will be denied the nomination or defeated by the establishment in the general election. In the course of the coming Clinton administration they will coalesce not into a loyal opposition but rather a resistance movement. In any case, what plays out plays out against a back drop of the decline and fall of empire.

    What happens when Washington has to choose between supporting its legions in the field or supporting its legions on social security, medicare and food stamps. What happens when it can do neither. It seems to me that normalcy bias prevents us from even discussing the inevitable end of empire.

    I think the Trump supporters will be defeated inasmuch as Trump will be denied the nomination or defeated by the establishment in the general election.

    Unfortunately I believe you are correct. Quite a bit depends upon the outcome on this Tuesday. If Trump can actually get a majority of delegates before the convention they will let him have the nomination. If he is even one delegate short they will put Romney into a couple of the late primaries and give the nomination to him.

    In the course of the coming Clinton administration they will coalesce not into a loyal opposition but rather a resistance movement.

    This is the only available straw to grasp IMO.

    Have you read any of the posts at the blog listed for the author of this article? I have started reading the archives and I am very encouraged by the analyses and opinions.

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  • @joe webb
    please define "fascist" and fascism. compare and contrast Italy and Germany, and any other examples, like the Iron Guard of Romania in the teens and 20s...Codreanu and the dozen or so fascisms of eastern and central Europe,

    Let me suggest some properties: nation, people (volk), military readiness, manly virtues, honor, mixture of aristocratic and democratic principles, racialism, and anti-liberalism. And lasts but not least the precipitating political factors for their appearance, for example, communism and jewish influence in communism.

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    right but the dog lacks reason. So what is your point?

    If you have a point besides dragging out the cliches. Say the magic word, Hitler, and case is closed.

    Joe Webb
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  • @iffen
    But if you care to – what do you suppose post imperial America will look like?

    The middle class and working class will learn from Trump's success and come together politically to exert political power and enforce policies that benefit our country, starting with the themes that have jump started Trump, namely, an immigration hiatus, an end to our eternal warfare around the world and economic policies that benefit the majority and thereby the whole nation.

    I sincerely hope you are right iffen. I think the Trump supporters will be defeated inasmuch as Trump will be denied the nomination or defeated by the establishment in the general election. In the course of the coming Clinton administration they will coalesce not into a loyal opposition but rather a resistance movement. In any case, what plays out plays out against a back drop of the decline and fall of empire.

    What happens when Washington has to choose between supporting its legions in the field or supporting its legions on social security, medicare and food stamps. What happens when it can do neither. It seems to me that normalcy bias prevents us from even discussing the inevitable end of empire.

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    I think the Trump supporters will be defeated inasmuch as Trump will be denied the nomination or defeated by the establishment in the general election.

    Unfortunately I believe you are correct. Quite a bit depends upon the outcome on this Tuesday. If Trump can actually get a majority of delegates before the convention they will let him have the nomination. If he is even one delegate short they will put Romney into a couple of the late primaries and give the nomination to him.

    In the course of the coming Clinton administration they will coalesce not into a loyal opposition but rather a resistance movement.

    This is the only available straw to grasp IMO.

    Have you read any of the posts at the blog listed for the author of this article? I have started reading the archives and I am very encouraged by the analyses and opinions.
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  • @joe webb
    It looks like you are not reading the newspapers or even watching TV news.

    Isis, for example and the other absurd lunatics. Story in NYT today on Isis and its kidnapping of women for temporary wives of soldiers. They get raped repeatedly, and are handed around to other rapists.

    Arab IQ is 84-84 average and they are crazier than our blacks.

    Time to awaken from your pretty little stories. I have known a number of muzzies as I was active a few years ago in the Iraq sanctions movement. That experience cured my virginity about Arabs.
    The ladies do have such a hard time waking up...it is in the female genes...be nice.

    Joe Webb

    Dear Joe,

    To begin, may God grant you a great reward for your work against the Iraq sanctions, which hurt the most vulnerable people in an already-devastated country.

    I’m quite aware of what is happening, but I don’t watch TV news – most of it is trash and unreliable. There are mush better sources of information, for instance on Syria, Prof. Joshua Landis is indispensable (http://www.joshualandis.com/). How that should alter what I stated, I can’t grasp.

    You called out ISIS as absurd lunatic, good for you. Their interpretation of Islam certainly is absurd lunacy and the vast majority of their victims (pint for pint of blood, pound for pound of flesh) have been other Muslims; this is a factual statement. All of the nations (Muslim and non-Muslim) of the world have closed the door to the world of slavery – all must abide by this covenant; ISIS cannot unilaterally open it. As Mufti Taqi Usmani (may God preserve him), former Grand Mufti of Pakistan, made clear: “… most of the nations of the world have today formed a pact between them, and have agreed that a prisoner from the captives of war will not be put into slavery, and most of the Islamic lands today are participants of this agreement, particularly the members of the United Nations, so it is not permissible for an Islamic country today to put a captive into slavery as long as this pact remains.” Of course, we are dealing with people who think blowing people up during Friday prayers in a Shiah mosque is an act of virtue, so none of their other interpretations really surprise me.

    As far as Arab IQ is concerned, OK, makes sense; education in that area is a mess.

    As far as, “they are crazier than our blacks” – don’t really know how to evaluate that one – a lot of presumptions there, can you cite some source for this, or is it just opinion.

    I’m not sure what “pretty little stories” I mentioned. I thought I had mentioned factual statements based on sources of medieval Islamic scholars (I refer to them because they are the most reliable, unhampered by any apologetics of latter day discourse). I even mentioned a solid non-Muslim scholar of medieval and ancient Islamic warfare history and the exact book to find the statement.

    “The ladies do have such a hard time waking up…it is in the female genes…be nice.” Not exactly sure what that all means…

    May God preserve you and yours.

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  • The Counter-REvolution has begun. Halleuluja! Whatever happens to Trump, here and in Europe is has begun. The long run of 1789 has entered its morbid stage, and will take a few more years to die, assuming that Europe does not blow up real big this summer, or a depression strikes hard at the social peace, or more Isis type bombs do not go off.

    There will be a super-charged counter revolutionary moment if any or all of these things happen.
    It will be electoral I am quite sure. A couple more years of the treason of the elites is another thing. Joe Webb

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  • I notice that the violence and chaos, quote quote, of the Trump rally is being blamed by the usuals on Trump, not the violators and intruders into private event for Trump.

    I have not seen one word in the jewyorktimes or other msm, about Free Speech being violated by the protesters. They have not learned their abc s of civics lessons about free association, privacy, and free speech.

    It is beyond their ability to understand. And/or, if some do understand, they are just fundamentally killers.
    That is fundamentally what all third worlders are.

    Self-defense is the natural right of obvious logic and is implicit in the Second Amendment, which the jews want to abolish.

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  • Whites are the People/race that has invented 99% of everything, technical and humanistic. We are the adventurers, the explorers, the experimenters, the rationalizing and scientific and objective observers of reality….all of it.

    WE invented liberty. No other race has invented liberty. No other race has invented it and put it.into law.

    Without White “supremacy” the world slides back into despotism, both Oriental and African, etc.

    No white nationalist of whom I am aware wants to dominate and rule over the other benighted races. We want to escape from them. White Racialist Escape from the Muds in what WN is.

    All the Do-Gooding Whites are free to leave with their pet projects of Uplift. Go in peace, but go.

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  • @Talha
    Some of the stuff Mr. Trump says makes a heck of a lot of sense (I'm glad he is saying it), other stuff has me questioning basic grasp of logic.

    "Islam hates America" makes as much sense as "Islam loves America".

    It seems to be devoid of nuance...great for soundbites though.

    A Trump Presidency will either be America's saving grace or our karmic comeuppance; I guess we'll see...

    Note: As someone else has pointed out, you don't need to make things up to make a point...

    Islam is not a “religion of peace”
     
    This is opinion, so, not falsifiable; totally depends on one's criteria for peaceful. Technically Islamic rules of warfare consider war to be; prohibited, discouraged, merely permissible, encouraged or obligatory - all based on circumstance.

    it’s a militant faith
     
    Again, not falsifiable, depends on one's criteria for "militant".

    that exalts conversion by the sword
     
    This one is stated as a factual statement and is false. This has no basis in the definitive rulings of any of the existing four Sunni Orthodox schools of jurisprudence. By consensus, one cannot be forced to convert from his native religion, he is given the option to reside as a covenanted and taxed citizen (dhimmi) - females and children are exempt from taxation; the Shafi'i school only applies this to People of the Book, but this is a theoretical application since the historic successive caliphates have been Maliki, followed by Hanafi, who extended it to any religion and even materialists/atheists. This is recognized by non-Muslim scholars of history; for instance Prof. David Nicolle (probably the most knowledgeable scholar alive of military history and tactics of the ancient and medieval world of the Muslim lands), who had no problem writing a book and titling it "Armies of Muslim Conquest" states clearly early on that the term jihad is not compatible with the analogous European term "Holy War" and that it was not used to enforce conversion. Here I would like to point out that there have been historical aberrations from this general rule; the Almohad conquest of the Iberian peninsula and the conquests of parts of India by certain sultans immediately come to mind, though there were other instances. Undisputed by fact is that the oldest Christian (mostly Orthodox, Coptic, Nestorian, etc.) communities have resided in Muslim lands as conquered minority peoples for centuries. This even includes people like the Yazidis. We would not be hearing about their persecution and expulsion now if they were forced to become Muslim centuries ago.

    and inspires thousands to acts of terror—and millions more to support and sympathize with terror.
     
    True, based on their nihilistic interpretation which is divorced from traditional Orthodoxy (they consider Orthodoxy to be the ones mired in misguidance for centuries). As the contemporary Shafi'i British scholar, Abdul-Hakim Murad (may God preserve him) stated, "Maliki ulama [scholars] do not become suicide-bombers. No-one has ever heard of Sufi terrorism. Everyone, enemies included, knows that the very idea is absurd." On top of that, when dealing with over 1.5 billion, "thousands" and even "millions" is not a useful yardstick since even if the entire equivalent of every man, woman and child in the entire UK were all hard-core extremists - that would still be around 4%.

    It looks like you are not reading the newspapers or even watching TV news.

    Isis, for example and the other absurd lunatics. Story in NYT today on Isis and its kidnapping of women for temporary wives of soldiers. They get raped repeatedly, and are handed around to other rapists.

    Arab IQ is 84-84 average and they are crazier than our blacks.

    Time to awaken from your pretty little stories. I have known a number of muzzies as I was active a few years ago in the Iraq sanctions movement. That experience cured my virginity about Arabs.
    The ladies do have such a hard time waking up…it is in the female genes…be nice.

    Joe Webb

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    Dear Joe,

    To begin, may God grant you a great reward for your work against the Iraq sanctions, which hurt the most vulnerable people in an already-devastated country.

    I'm quite aware of what is happening, but I don't watch TV news - most of it is trash and unreliable. There are mush better sources of information, for instance on Syria, Prof. Joshua Landis is indispensable (http://www.joshualandis.com/). How that should alter what I stated, I can't grasp.

    You called out ISIS as absurd lunatic, good for you. Their interpretation of Islam certainly is absurd lunacy and the vast majority of their victims (pint for pint of blood, pound for pound of flesh) have been other Muslims; this is a factual statement. All of the nations (Muslim and non-Muslim) of the world have closed the door to the world of slavery - all must abide by this covenant; ISIS cannot unilaterally open it. As Mufti Taqi Usmani (may God preserve him), former Grand Mufti of Pakistan, made clear: "... most of the nations of the world have today formed a pact between them, and have agreed that a prisoner from the captives of war will not be put into slavery, and most of the Islamic lands today are participants of this agreement, particularly the members of the United Nations, so it is not permissible for an Islamic country today to put a captive into slavery as long as this pact remains." Of course, we are dealing with people who think blowing people up during Friday prayers in a Shiah mosque is an act of virtue, so none of their other interpretations really surprise me.

    As far as Arab IQ is concerned, OK, makes sense; education in that area is a mess.

    As far as, "they are crazier than our blacks" - don't really know how to evaluate that one - a lot of presumptions there, can you cite some source for this, or is it just opinion.

    I'm not sure what "pretty little stories" I mentioned. I thought I had mentioned factual statements based on sources of medieval Islamic scholars (I refer to them because they are the most reliable, unhampered by any apologetics of latter day discourse). I even mentioned a solid non-Muslim scholar of medieval and ancient Islamic warfare history and the exact book to find the statement.

    "The ladies do have such a hard time waking up…it is in the female genes…be nice." Not exactly sure what that all means...

    May God preserve you and yours.

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  • @Rick Johnson
    Trumpism transcends both the two parties and the two "accepted " ideologies. It is rooted in "blood and soil, kith and kin." It is nativism, populism, and a welling up of a desperate sense that all might be lost - that the American experience was all for nothing. It is now or never, and if the latter, then devolution will proceed apace, and most likely not without violence.

    So Trumpism might best be termed AFFIRMATIONISM. We affirm ourselves, family, friends and associates, religion, culture, civilization, ethnicity, country, and even species. But this does not mean that we wish harm to others. For to value one's family does mean that one wishes harm to the family next door, just that we value our own higher. But any people that does not AFFIRM, is deleted from the world cultural and group genome pool.

    exactly and I always ask folks who have children…so who do you save first, your kids, or the neighbor kids in some awful life threatening event?

    I have seen some pretty funny responses from liberals and lefties. I ask then, if for example, they chose the neighbor kid first, but the natural kid was second to be saved, would there be an psychological damage to the natural kid, or to the parent who then had to live with his choice?

    The liberal sense of the Natural Order is practically insane. An old friend of mine failed the above test. I asked him if he could depend on his kids to take care of him in his old age. he said, No.

    Woody Woodpecker laughter here.

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  • @iffen
    To win this fight we will have to win over many people who see us who post here at the Unz review as facists.

    A significant number who post here are fascists. Doesn't that give your hopes a fatal flaw?

    please define “fascist” and fascism. compare and contrast Italy and Germany, and any other examples, like the Iron Guard of Romania in the teens and 20s…Codreanu and the dozen or so fascisms of eastern and central Europe,

    Let me suggest some properties: nation, people (volk), military readiness, manly virtues, honor, mixture of aristocratic and democratic principles, racialism, and anti-liberalism. And lasts but not least the precipitating political factors for their appearance, for example, communism and jewish influence in communism.

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    "the hit dog hollers"?
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  • Trumpism transcends both the two parties and the two “accepted ” ideologies. It is rooted in “blood and soil, kith and kin.” It is nativism, populism, and a welling up of a desperate sense that all might be lost – that the American experience was all for nothing. It is now or never, and if the latter, then devolution will proceed apace, and most likely not without violence.

    So Trumpism might best be termed AFFIRMATIONISM. We affirm ourselves, family, friends and associates, religion, culture, civilization, ethnicity, country, and even species. But this does not mean that we wish harm to others. For to value one’s family does mean that one wishes harm to the family next door, just that we value our own higher. But any people that does not AFFIRM, is deleted from the world cultural and group genome pool.

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    exactly and I always ask folks who have children...so who do you save first, your kids, or the neighbor kids in some awful life threatening event?

    I have seen some pretty funny responses from liberals and lefties. I ask then, if for example, they chose the neighbor kid first, but the natural kid was second to be saved, would there be an psychological damage to the natural kid, or to the parent who then had to live with his choice?

    The liberal sense of the Natural Order is practically insane. An old friend of mine failed the above test. I asked him if he could depend on his kids to take care of him in his old age. he said, No.

    Woody Woodpecker laughter here.

    Joe Webb
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  • @Decius
    RE: "What comes next," I've been thinking about it a lot. Some of my musings are at the blog. Others I am keeping to myself (for now), in part because they are not yet fully formed and in part because my blog partners would object.

    I will say that I did buy and read Michael Hart's book on secession and was not too impressed. I don't mean to cast aspersions at him or at anyone who sympathizes with him. Only that I think a lot more work will have to go into this idea and he just skips over some massive problems, the most obvious being contiguity.

    The political project of supreme importance is therefore the transformation of passive Middle Americans into a new ruling elite, while the ideological project of supreme significance is the formulation of a new nationalism which will justify that political project.
    Plautus

    I copied this from the blog and really like the ideas driving it.

    We need a new elite to take power that is dedicated to the middle class and working class and attuned to their interests. This will be a monumental, if not impossible task.

    If that can be achieved some new method of exercising political control that resists decay and the encroachment by the malignant users that flock to power must be created.

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  • @WorkingClass
    I can see how it might get me detained. But as speculation about what post imperial America might look like I don't think its unreasonable. The Soviet Union balkanized. The EU is in process of balkanizing. Why not the lower 48? Its not unprecedented.

    Perhaps this thread has gone far enough afield. But if you care to - what do you suppose post imperial America will look like?

    The Soviet Union balkanized.

    The USSR was composed of hundreds of different kingdoms and tribes all either willingly or forcefully absorbed into the Russian Empire. Many never wanted to be a part of it (like the Muslims) and some were driven to want out by Stalin.

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  • RE: “What comes next,” I’ve been thinking about it a lot. Some of my musings are at the blog. Others I am keeping to myself (for now), in part because they are not yet fully formed and in part because my blog partners would object.

    I will say that I did buy and read Michael Hart’s book on secession and was not too impressed. I don’t mean to cast aspersions at him or at anyone who sympathizes with him. Only that I think a lot more work will have to go into this idea and he just skips over some massive problems, the most obvious being contiguity.

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    The political project of supreme importance is therefore the transformation of passive Middle Americans into a new ruling elite, while the ideological project of supreme significance is the formulation of a new nationalism which will justify that political project.
    Plautus


    I copied this from the blog and really like the ideas driving it.

    We need a new elite to take power that is dedicated to the middle class and working class and attuned to their interests. This will be a monumental, if not impossible task.

    If that can be achieved some new method of exercising political control that resists decay and the encroachment by the malignant users that flock to power must be created.
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  • @WorkingClass
    I can see how it might get me detained. But as speculation about what post imperial America might look like I don't think its unreasonable. The Soviet Union balkanized. The EU is in process of balkanizing. Why not the lower 48? Its not unprecedented.

    Perhaps this thread has gone far enough afield. But if you care to - what do you suppose post imperial America will look like?

    But if you care to – what do you suppose post imperial America will look like?

    The middle class and working class will learn from Trump’s success and come together politically to exert political power and enforce policies that benefit our country, starting with the themes that have jump started Trump, namely, an immigration hiatus, an end to our eternal warfare around the world and economic policies that benefit the majority and thereby the whole nation.

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    I sincerely hope you are right iffen. I think the Trump supporters will be defeated inasmuch as Trump will be denied the nomination or defeated by the establishment in the general election. In the course of the coming Clinton administration they will coalesce not into a loyal opposition but rather a resistance movement. In any case, what plays out plays out against a back drop of the decline and fall of empire.

    What happens when Washington has to choose between supporting its legions in the field or supporting its legions on social security, medicare and food stamps. What happens when it can do neither. It seems to me that normalcy bias prevents us from even discussing the inevitable end of empire.
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  • @AKAHorace
    I apologize if my comments appears arrogant and/or anti american. I am not a Brit. I thought that before I comment about Trump I should make it clear that I am not an American and so don't have to live with the consequences of his success or failure as much as most of you who are American do.

    I disagree with mass immigration. This is a fight that is not confined to only the United States.

    To win this fight we will have to win over many people who see us who post here at the Unz review as facists. To change their minds we should accept that most of them are decent people. If we demonize them this will be difficult.

    The internationalists may be our enemies but most of their supporters are well meaning if misguided. To quote a communist "those who are not against us are with us.": It seems like a winning strategy to me.

    To win this fight we will have to win over many people who see us who post here at the Unz review as facists.

    A significant number who post here are fascists. Doesn’t that give your hopes a fatal flaw?

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    please define "fascist" and fascism. compare and contrast Italy and Germany, and any other examples, like the Iron Guard of Romania in the teens and 20s...Codreanu and the dozen or so fascisms of eastern and central Europe,

    Let me suggest some properties: nation, people (volk), military readiness, manly virtues, honor, mixture of aristocratic and democratic principles, racialism, and anti-liberalism. And lasts but not least the precipitating political factors for their appearance, for example, communism and jewish influence in communism.

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  • @iffen
    The way out is secession.

    You need to keep things within reason.

    I can see how it might get me detained. But as speculation about what post imperial America might look like I don’t think its unreasonable. The Soviet Union balkanized. The EU is in process of balkanizing. Why not the lower 48? Its not unprecedented.

    Perhaps this thread has gone far enough afield. But if you care to – what do you suppose post imperial America will look like?

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    But if you care to – what do you suppose post imperial America will look like?

    The middle class and working class will learn from Trump's success and come together politically to exert political power and enforce policies that benefit our country, starting with the themes that have jump started Trump, namely, an immigration hiatus, an end to our eternal warfare around the world and economic policies that benefit the majority and thereby the whole nation.
    , @MarkinLA
    The Soviet Union balkanized.

    The USSR was composed of hundreds of different kingdoms and tribes all either willingly or forcefully absorbed into the Russian Empire. Many never wanted to be a part of it (like the Muslims) and some were driven to want out by Stalin.
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  • @WorkingClass
    Organized labor had a prominent seat in the Democratic coalition before Clinton kicked us to the curb in favor of NAFTA and accompanying corporate bucks. And yes. The working class has had no representation since. And because we are uneducated by definition of course we require assistance from the professions regarding any attempt to organize. So where are the academics sympathetic to labor? Coopted by the party which is coopted by the Oligarchy which is rapidly impoverishing and enslaving us all.

    The way out is secession. The time is nearly ripe with the empire in rapid decline.

    The way out is secession.

    You need to keep things within reason.

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    I can see how it might get me detained. But as speculation about what post imperial America might look like I don't think its unreasonable. The Soviet Union balkanized. The EU is in process of balkanizing. Why not the lower 48? Its not unprecedented.

    Perhaps this thread has gone far enough afield. But if you care to - what do you suppose post imperial America will look like?
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  • @iffen
    Working people have few political organizations, nothing on the national level. Groups defeat individuals. Without some political organization, working people have no chance against the interest groups. Without a group of intellectuals devoted to working people and their organizations it will be impossible to exert political power over the longer term.

    Organized labor had a prominent seat in the Democratic coalition before Clinton kicked us to the curb in favor of NAFTA and accompanying corporate bucks. And yes. The working class has had no representation since. And because we are uneducated by definition of course we require assistance from the professions regarding any attempt to organize. So where are the academics sympathetic to labor? Coopted by the party which is coopted by the Oligarchy which is rapidly impoverishing and enslaving us all.

    The way out is secession. The time is nearly ripe with the empire in rapid decline.

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    The way out is secession.

    You need to keep things within reason.
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  • Some of the stuff Mr. Trump says makes a heck of a lot of sense (I’m glad he is saying it), other stuff has me questioning basic grasp of logic.

    “Islam hates America” makes as much sense as “Islam loves America”.

    It seems to be devoid of nuance…great for soundbites though.

    A Trump Presidency will either be America’s saving grace or our karmic comeuppance; I guess we’ll see…

    Note: As someone else has pointed out, you don’t need to make things up to make a point…

    Islam is not a “religion of peace”

    This is opinion, so, not falsifiable; totally depends on one’s criteria for peaceful. Technically Islamic rules of warfare consider war to be; prohibited, discouraged, merely permissible, encouraged or obligatory – all based on circumstance.

    it’s a militant faith

    Again, not falsifiable, depends on one’s criteria for “militant”.

    that exalts conversion by the sword

    This one is stated as a factual statement and is false. This has no basis in the definitive rulings of any of the existing four Sunni Orthodox schools of jurisprudence. By consensus, one cannot be forced to convert from his native religion, he is given the option to reside as a covenanted and taxed citizen (dhimmi) – females and children are exempt from taxation; the Shafi’i school only applies this to People of the Book, but this is a theoretical application since the historic successive caliphates have been Maliki, followed by Hanafi, who extended it to any religion and even materialists/atheists. This is recognized by non-Muslim scholars of history; for instance Prof. David Nicolle (probably the most knowledgeable scholar alive of military history and tactics of the ancient and medieval world of the Muslim lands), who had no problem writing a book and titling it “Armies of Muslim Conquest” states clearly early on that the term jihad is not compatible with the analogous European term “Holy War” and that it was not used to enforce conversion. Here I would like to point out that there have been historical aberrations from this general rule; the Almohad conquest of the Iberian peninsula and the conquests of parts of India by certain sultans immediately come to mind, though there were other instances. Undisputed by fact is that the oldest Christian (mostly Orthodox, Coptic, Nestorian, etc.) communities have resided in Muslim lands as conquered minority peoples for centuries. This even includes people like the Yazidis. We would not be hearing about their persecution and expulsion now if they were forced to become Muslim centuries ago.

    and inspires thousands to acts of terror—and millions more to support and sympathize with terror.

    True, based on their nihilistic interpretation which is divorced from traditional Orthodoxy (they consider Orthodoxy to be the ones mired in misguidance for centuries). As the contemporary Shafi’i British scholar, Abdul-Hakim Murad (may God preserve him) stated, “Maliki ulama [scholars] do not become suicide-bombers. No-one has ever heard of Sufi terrorism. Everyone, enemies included, knows that the very idea is absurd.” On top of that, when dealing with over 1.5 billion, “thousands” and even “millions” is not a useful yardstick since even if the entire equivalent of every man, woman and child in the entire UK were all hard-core extremists – that would still be around 4%.

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    It looks like you are not reading the newspapers or even watching TV news.

    Isis, for example and the other absurd lunatics. Story in NYT today on Isis and its kidnapping of women for temporary wives of soldiers. They get raped repeatedly, and are handed around to other rapists.

    Arab IQ is 84-84 average and they are crazier than our blacks.

    Time to awaken from your pretty little stories. I have known a number of muzzies as I was active a few years ago in the Iraq sanctions movement. That experience cured my virginity about Arabs.
    The ladies do have such a hard time waking up...it is in the female genes...be nice.

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  • @Durruti
    Mr. Mus,

    The weakness in your thesis is here:

    "The ceaseless importation of people unaccustomed to liberty, coupled with the continued hollowing out of the American middle class, makes the American people less fit for liberty every day."

    You are truly denying History here. It is precisely -Americans- who are "unaccustomed to liberty.

    Our elections are Rigged (bought & circus).

    We have not hosted a Constitutional Government in Half-A-Century.

    America's rulers have exterminated in excess of 4 million humans since the Coup d'etat in Dallas on November 22, 1963.

    Vietnam - 2 million (US Senate figures).

    Indonesia - 1 million (1965).

    Guatemala - 100,000+

    Iraq - 1 million & millions displaced.

    Syria - 150,000, & millions displaced.

    Imperialist Butcheries in Libya, Afghanistan, Chile, Argentina, Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Ukraine, (you fill in the rest..........).

    American Congress totally suborned by Zionist Rothschilds & their friends - $money.

    Bailout of $13Trillion to top .01%

    Obomber & H Clinton anointed as Senators, & then as Presidents.

    There is more, much more tragedy in the Least democratic Nation on earth, and one that is not even Sovereign.

    For Ron Paul, Edward Snowden, & others in opposition.

    We must Restore our American Republic.

    For the Democratic Republics we must rescue, and for those we must forge!

    Durruti

    the usual problem with this kind of leftist rant is this: what were Other races and so on doing that was or is any better.?

    answer: none. joe Webb

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  • @Tulip
    One can love the Greeks, but the Greek polis never became the basis of an Imperial power. It was the Kingdom of Macedonia and later Rome that set the course of Western Civilization, and these imperial powers were based on a cosmopolitanism and an openness to strangers that was uncharacteristic of the provincial Greek polis.

    I point this out because America presides over an international system of hegemonic power, both military and economic. It is all fine to pine for the Anglo-Saxon yoeman farmers of the Founding Nation, but it is unrealistic to go back. Yes diversity is terrible, and we need to stop digging, but America today is a multi-ethnic, multi-religious territorial state, and it presides over an even more diverse planetary system of power. Some form of ethnonationalist particularism, or even some kind of "white nationalism" is unworkable as a practical matter, without dismantling the entire system, which will never happen short of an exogenous collapse.

    As a practical matter, there needs to be some restrictive notion of national identity that identifies and excludes the Barbarians while at the same time includes most of the present multitudes.

    you are basically correct in your observation…up to a point. Greece as well as Rome both enjoyed a republican form for centuries. This included total race and aristocratic based political forms.

    Greece blew up thru class struggle and plain old internecine warfare…Pelopponesian War. Arguably there was some Principle involved since Sparta led the oligarchicals and Athens led the Republican states. Still, it was White-guy cussedness, rivalry, and imperialism.

    Rome was more complicated, but one thing is for sure, the army under the Republic was yeoman farmer based and the patricians could not live without them. Tribunes helped keep the balance between patrician and pleb. This was true of Greece too, with the importance of citizen armies keeping oligarchs at bay.

    There was also the clientism of just about all folks which provided a stabilizing force of myriad personal relationships between the classes.

    Empire came with too much conquest, and in the context of the times, of economic scarcity certainly compared to our own times. No Social Security check.

    Nationalism was a guarantee of survival. No weapons, and guts/virtue , you die.
    ——-
    The failure of the city state in Greece led to Stoicism and the search for a larger Human Context. Hence the univeralistic ideas of Hellenism. This fed into Rome and justified the Roman Imperialism…presumably to Unify and avoid the petty polis Greek political form. I guess this Hellenism fed into Christian universalism.

    So you Tulip, are in the same kind of bind…wanting a universalism to unify. It did not work either, with Rome. Of course, a thousand year run is not too shabby.

    Immigration and ‘universal’ citizenship for Others helped ruin the Roman virtu,, etc, etc. much remarked by Roman writers. Empire also brought, arguably, more civil war than during the Republic. The human drive for prestige/respect also contributed to conflicts.

    (as an aside, the avenues to gain prestige were much limited then compared to now. Energies for prestige gain are constant, but opportunities today as opposed to antiquity for such energies are huge.)

    So, the especially White race trait of a high altruism quotient, wants to Unify and bring peace and love to the world.

    It does not work that way. Every day in every way, the news presents the evidence of zero ability for races and even ethnys within a race, to get along.

    We are in a kind of Pax Romana today, never mind the old line about calling it peace when it was a wasteland.

    Globalism is the biggest idea joke of our times. Never mind the economics, the races are being taunted by the Liberals …make nice, the Others are you brothers and sisters.

    (Now we know about genetics and intelligence huge differences. No way can an average IQ of 90 or so, of a country, or a group, result in either Democracy, or civility in everyday life. On top of that is Temperament. No other race except Whites have invented liberty. White history, Greco-Roman, Germania, and Indo-Europeans (think Homer) demanded liberty, and free speech. In short, it was I get to speak, and if you try to bar me from speaking, I will kill you.)

    There is no evidence that this can work. We are seeing the Beginning of the counter-revolution in the West now. Date it from 2015, or 2016.

    The ideological Empire of Racial Equality is on the ropes.

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  • Why am I unable to fix my comment – as I attempted to do so – well within the time frame for fixing? As I was fixing the usual typos, the page suddenly disappeared. This has happened on other occasions.

    Durruti

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  • Mr. Mus,

    The weakness in your thesis is here:

    “The ceaseless importation of people unaccustomed to liberty, coupled with the continued hollowing out of the American middle class, makes the American people less fit for liberty every day.”

    You are truly denying History here. It is precisely -Americans- who are “unaccustomed to liberty.

    Our elections are Rigged (bought & circus).

    We have not hosted a Constitutional Government in Half-A-Century.

    America’s rulers have exterminated in excess of 4 million humans since the Coup d’etat in Dallas on November 22, 1963.

    Vietnam – 2 million (US Senate figures).

    Indonesia – 1 million (1965).

    Guatemala – 100,000+

    Iraq – 1 million & millions displaced.

    Syria – 150,000, & millions displaced.

    Imperialist Butcheries in Libya, Afghanistan, Chile, Argentina, Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Ukraine, (you fill in the rest……….).

    American Congress totally suborned by Zionist Rothschilds & their friends – $money.

    Bailout of $13Trillion to top .01%

    Obomber & H Clinton anointed as Senators, & then as Presidents.

    There is more, much more tragedy in the Least democratic Nation on earth, and one that is not even Sovereign.

    For Ron Paul, Edward Snowden, & others in opposition.

    We must Restore our American Republic.

    For the Democratic Republics we must rescue, and for those we must forge!

    Durruti

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    the usual problem with this kind of leftist rant is this: what were Other races and so on doing that was or is any better.?

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  • @Rhino
    I agree. I like where Trump is going, and voted for him, but lots of conservative-type people seem to need a checklist of principles, apparently so that they can, among other things, play gotcha and complain about why good enough isn't perfect.

    My law partner is a perfect example. I've got him talked into Trump for now, but as soon as some neocon comes along and reminds him that the Mexicans mow his lawn more cheaply, he'll be rolling back on over to the neocon side of things.

    The principle check list will help with his type, but also be frustrating because the principles are not easily applied to all circumstances. For instance, when should war be waged? Well with a neocon it seems to be whenever we can get away with it, and for us the answer is that it depends.

    The advantage that neoconism has is that it is simple to apply. Tariffs? "Bahhh, Bahhh, Bad!" Unlimited Immigration? "Bahhh, Bahhh, Good!" The reasons allegedly supporting these answers are never very well understood by the mass of people.

    The only thing that I can think of would be to form some sort of faction within the Republican Party. Just put some basic points out there that gets a group together and try to grow it over time. We would need people that would do basic party stuff. Regardless of what happens with Trump (I really think they will bring Romney back to deny him the nomination) the establishment will recover and there will not be a party dedicated to the middle. The Democrats are set with the top and bottom against the middle and the Republicans are set with the top and fooling most of the middle into trying to elect more better Republicans forever.

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  • @iffen
    Working people have few political organizations, nothing on the national level. Groups defeat individuals. Without some political organization, working people have no chance against the interest groups. Without a group of intellectuals devoted to working people and their organizations it will be impossible to exert political power over the longer term.

    I agree. I like where Trump is going, and voted for him, but lots of conservative-type people seem to need a checklist of principles, apparently so that they can, among other things, play gotcha and complain about why good enough isn’t perfect.

    My law partner is a perfect example. I’ve got him talked into Trump for now, but as soon as some neocon comes along and reminds him that the Mexicans mow his lawn more cheaply, he’ll be rolling back on over to the neocon side of things.

    The principle check list will help with his type, but also be frustrating because the principles are not easily applied to all circumstances. For instance, when should war be waged? Well with a neocon it seems to be whenever we can get away with it, and for us the answer is that it depends.

    The advantage that neoconism has is that it is simple to apply. Tariffs? “Bahhh, Bahhh, Bad!” Unlimited Immigration? “Bahhh, Bahhh, Good!” The reasons allegedly supporting these answers are never very well understood by the mass of people.

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    The only thing that I can think of would be to form some sort of faction within the Republican Party. Just put some basic points out there that gets a group together and try to grow it over time. We would need people that would do basic party stuff. Regardless of what happens with Trump (I really think they will bring Romney back to deny him the nomination) the establishment will recover and there will not be a party dedicated to the middle. The Democrats are set with the top and bottom against the middle and the Republicans are set with the top and fooling most of the middle into trying to elect more better Republicans forever.
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  • Very well done! A long article, but well worth the read. A couple thoughts…
    1. The bright lights of today’s “conservatism” are all leftists. The revealed preferences of a Ryan, McCain, Romney, Rubio, etc. differ little if any from those of the Clinton’s or Obama or Pelosi, etc.
    2. The pinnacle of Austrian economics, the all-knowing free market, in which the consumer is sovereign and votes with his wallet is sheer fantasy. No system of government is more free market oriented (i.e. for sale) than the U.S. government. In such a system, those with the dollars rule, no matter where those dollars come from. Hence the oversized influence that wealthy foreign and global interests have over our government, as compared to the lack of power of the vast majority of U.S. citizens, which the government was established to protect.
    3. Many seem shocked that intellectuals of a conservative bent haven’t seen through the charade of leftist politics running amuck, and over and through “conservatism”. Not me. The founding fathers, with the exception of Jefferson and Madison, were not intellectuals, but were men of practical intelligence and action. Today’s intellectuals stuck in their intellectual silos have little in common with them. They’re kind of like potted houseplants, owned and paid for by their wealthy benefactors. Very few have both the willingness and ability to break free from their all to comfortable intellectual and financial resraints. Hence the vile they feel for Trump, and the founding fathers, and the principles they established in the U.S. constitution.

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  • @Eustace Tilley (not)


    Thanks for the "favour" of "disclosing" that you are not an American colonial. It is an "honour" to have fine gentlemen such as you here at unz.com. What ho, old chap!

    But the "noble vision" of the internationalists is obviously a total sham. They are deliberately destabilizing nations in North Africa and the Near East as well as fomenting trouble on Russia's borders in pursuit of their ignoble vision of world domination -- for their benefit, not ours.

    And, for what it's worth, I personally feel no moral obligation to "respect" other countries. Not all persons are worthy of respect; the same is true for countries. Why anyone would respect Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe, for example, is beyond my imagining.

    I apologize if my comments appears arrogant and/or anti american. I am not a Brit. I thought that before I comment about Trump I should make it clear that I am not an American and so don’t have to live with the consequences of his success or failure as much as most of you who are American do.

    I disagree with mass immigration. This is a fight that is not confined to only the United States.

    To win this fight we will have to win over many people who see us who post here at the Unz review as facists. To change their minds we should accept that most of them are decent people. If we demonize them this will be difficult.

    The internationalists may be our enemies but most of their supporters are well meaning if misguided. To quote a communist “those who are not against us are with us.”: It seems like a winning strategy to me.

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    To win this fight we will have to win over many people who see us who post here at the Unz review as facists.

    A significant number who post here are fascists. Doesn't that give your hopes a fatal flaw?
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  • @Tulip
    One can love the Greeks, but the Greek polis never became the basis of an Imperial power. It was the Kingdom of Macedonia and later Rome that set the course of Western Civilization, and these imperial powers were based on a cosmopolitanism and an openness to strangers that was uncharacteristic of the provincial Greek polis.

    I point this out because America presides over an international system of hegemonic power, both military and economic. It is all fine to pine for the Anglo-Saxon yoeman farmers of the Founding Nation, but it is unrealistic to go back. Yes diversity is terrible, and we need to stop digging, but America today is a multi-ethnic, multi-religious territorial state, and it presides over an even more diverse planetary system of power. Some form of ethnonationalist particularism, or even some kind of "white nationalism" is unworkable as a practical matter, without dismantling the entire system, which will never happen short of an exogenous collapse.

    As a practical matter, there needs to be some restrictive notion of national identity that identifies and excludes the Barbarians while at the same time includes most of the present multitudes.

    Interesting thoughts in this comment.

    Not so sure about the yeoman farmer description, more like planters and landed gentry or wannabes.

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  • @random observer
    I am not sure any human being acts entirely on intuition all the time. The minute one starts taking in information about the world one is learning, the minute one starts making connections between what one learned yesterday and what one sees today one has an intellectual framework, the minute one starts making value judgments about what one sees and drawing inferences about the next thing one sees based on those judgments, one has a worldview and even an ideology.

    No one can expect to function in even a relatively basic human society without them. Even the act of consciously withdrawing from society to go live on a mountain would be an act informed by every stage of that process.

    We are men, not beasts. Or at least we try. Pure intuition uninformed by the rest of the above sequence is a waste of human material.

    That doesn't mean a man's gut is not one of his tools, or that it's not a useful thing to no about a man, especially in times like these. It's just not the only thing if we expect Trump to be president of a vast and complicated federal republic under a constitution and rule of law, and handling its relations with equally complicated other countries and players.

    Indeed, I'm sure Trump does have an intellectual framework already, one built over decades of his business career and well-suited to that role. This column seems a worthy attempt to extend the instincts Trump appears to have on policy issues and give them an equivalent context. It seems like a framework that actually matches what he says, and one that goes a long way to reconcile many of the positions one sees on this site [at least the more righty pages].

    It doesn't mean recognizing a common set of gut instincts isn't good enough reason to elect him, though. His instincts will guide him as he decides where and how a program can be implemented, where it has to be compromised, and what means to use when doing either. But having the program is much better than just going into the presidency with no goals in mind, no context to explain them, and just blowing with the wind. Presidencies fail on less weakness. And he won't be going in just as a caretaker, he needs to move the needle on some things.

    Intuition , right, is not enough. see my reason based argument on #34. There is an architecture that can compass these problems. And yes, Reason, needs to inform any kind of intuition. Just the facts M’am.

    Btw, beasts do not reason, although they can think a little bit in what we would call a rational way to find food, etc.

    Getting the Biology straight on what we are is the First Thing. After that, everything follows.

    Joe Webb

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  • I never understood the conservative logic of:

    He’s not conservative, so in revolt, we will vote for Hillary ????

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  • It is unfortunate in a country supposedly devoted to free speech, any intelligent writing of the conservative variety must be published anonymously.

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  • @joe webb
    good article.

    "But paleos are more hostile to abstraction than neocons are enamored of it, and insist that any theoretical investigation of the good or assertion of principle leads in a straight line to universalism, utopianism, quotas and open borders."

    Thank you for helping me understand why my suspicions about paleos have been well founded.

    Since I have never followed the paleos much, but have been aware of them as I assume the magazine The American Conservative, pretty much is paleo, and have wondered why that magazine is so creaky and stiff-limbed, for example refusing the word "Jew" when 90% of its articles are about jewish domination of US foreign policy, and my only personal experience with paleos has been with one who dropped out and became a white nationalist as well as ditching his long addiction to libertarianism, your remark that paleos are allergic to "theoretical investigation of the good" is very useful in explaining my puzzlement about them.

    First Principles do lead to some sort of Universalism, but it is not restricted to Liberal Universalism and the 'wino veto'. Thank you for that one.

    Greek Philosophy had no problem with Athenian restriction of citizenship by race (parents and grandparents had to be born in Athens) and by class ( aristocracy, metics, slavery).

    The category of race and racial difference can be considered a Universal which recognizes genuine Difference, and thus accommodates Particulars.

    The universal in this regard is a recognition and privileging of Darwinian Evolution as the master universal which then accounts for the particulars of racial difference, personal differences within a particular race, and justice as particularistic in some large degree...thus embodying a recognition of Difference.

    Also, because all the races are homo sapiens, the principle of recognizing 'one's own' as legitimate, the wino's veto can be avoided but the legitimacy of "being human" as a claim to justice can be observed. Therefore minimal rights are reserved for all races, just as "person" in the US constitution and jurisprudence provides legal rights to non-citizens, travelers, etc.
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    There is therefore 'philosophic' validity in adopting a Darwinian and Evolutionary view for dealing with our current problems of racial and immigration conflict. In brief , non-citizens and other races can be treated 'fairly' but we owe them not the wino's veto, or the racial spoils system that today obtains, or even residence among us.

    This applies to other countries as well. Whites can be guaranteed their rights to person and property while resident in another country, but they have no claim to permanent residence, citizenship, voting, welfare, or entry in the first place.

    Sir Arthur Keith , about a half-century ago, began a study of ethics based on Darwinian reality.
    He wrote during the war, and his material is on line.

    Joe Webb

    One can love the Greeks, but the Greek polis never became the basis of an Imperial power. It was the Kingdom of Macedonia and later Rome that set the course of Western Civilization, and these imperial powers were based on a cosmopolitanism and an openness to strangers that was uncharacteristic of the provincial Greek polis.

    I point this out because America presides over an international system of hegemonic power, both military and economic. It is all fine to pine for the Anglo-Saxon yoeman farmers of the Founding Nation, but it is unrealistic to go back. Yes diversity is terrible, and we need to stop digging, but America today is a multi-ethnic, multi-religious territorial state, and it presides over an even more diverse planetary system of power. Some form of ethnonationalist particularism, or even some kind of “white nationalism” is unworkable as a practical matter, without dismantling the entire system, which will never happen short of an exogenous collapse.

    As a practical matter, there needs to be some restrictive notion of national identity that identifies and excludes the Barbarians while at the same time includes most of the present multitudes.

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    Interesting thoughts in this comment.

    Not so sure about the yeoman farmer description, more like planters and landed gentry or wannabes.
    , @joe webb
    you are basically correct in your observation...up to a point. Greece as well as Rome both enjoyed a republican form for centuries. This included total race and aristocratic based political forms.

    Greece blew up thru class struggle and plain old internecine warfare...Pelopponesian War. Arguably there was some Principle involved since Sparta led the oligarchicals and Athens led the Republican states. Still, it was White-guy cussedness, rivalry, and imperialism.

    Rome was more complicated, but one thing is for sure, the army under the Republic was yeoman farmer based and the patricians could not live without them. Tribunes helped keep the balance between patrician and pleb. This was true of Greece too, with the importance of citizen armies keeping oligarchs at bay.

    There was also the clientism of just about all folks which provided a stabilizing force of myriad personal relationships between the classes.

    Empire came with too much conquest, and in the context of the times, of economic scarcity certainly compared to our own times. No Social Security check.

    Nationalism was a guarantee of survival. No weapons, and guts/virtue , you die.
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    The failure of the city state in Greece led to Stoicism and the search for a larger Human Context. Hence the univeralistic ideas of Hellenism. This fed into Rome and justified the Roman Imperialism...presumably to Unify and avoid the petty polis Greek political form. I guess this Hellenism fed into Christian universalism.

    So you Tulip, are in the same kind of bind...wanting a universalism to unify. It did not work either, with Rome. Of course, a thousand year run is not too shabby.

    Immigration and 'universal' citizenship for Others helped ruin the Roman virtu,, etc, etc. much remarked by Roman writers. Empire also brought, arguably, more civil war than during the Republic. The human drive for prestige/respect also contributed to conflicts.

    (as an aside, the avenues to gain prestige were much limited then compared to now. Energies for prestige gain are constant, but opportunities today as opposed to antiquity for such energies are huge.)

    So, the especially White race trait of a high altruism quotient, wants to Unify and bring peace and love to the world.

    It does not work that way. Every day in every way, the news presents the evidence of zero ability for races and even ethnys within a race, to get along.

    We are in a kind of Pax Romana today, never mind the old line about calling it peace when it was a wasteland.

    Globalism is the biggest idea joke of our times. Never mind the economics, the races are being taunted by the Liberals ...make nice, the Others are you brothers and sisters.

    (Now we know about genetics and intelligence huge differences. No way can an average IQ of 90 or so, of a country, or a group, result in either Democracy, or civility in everyday life. On top of that is Temperament. No other race except Whites have invented liberty. White history, Greco-Roman, Germania, and Indo-Europeans (think Homer) demanded liberty, and free speech. In short, it was I get to speak, and if you try to bar me from speaking, I will kill you.)


    There is no evidence that this can work. We are seeing the Beginning of the counter-revolution in the West now. Date it from 2015, or 2016.

    The ideological Empire of Racial Equality is on the ropes.

    Joe Webb
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