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    The Nuclear Question is becoming increasingly obfuscated by spin and lobbying as the West sleepwalks into Cold War II — a walk made all the more dangerous when the loose lips of the U.S. tweeter-in-chief announced that another nuclear arms race is a great idea (see link and link). Two Cold War II issues are...
  • @Randal
    Grow up.

    Well, if you are not a hasbara troll, then you are a Hasbara brainwahed Western mug. You have no idea what you are typing about but you still do. Typical.

    Your parents must often tell you to grow up.

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  • @Kiza

    Is there any country’s military budget that is not massively impacted by corruption and incompetence? Probably not – the exception might be small countries facing genuine and direct existential threats such as early Israel.
     
    People such as you do not make a serious contribution to the debate here: http://www.timesofisrael.com/prosecutors-open-criminal-investigation-over-submarines-affair/
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israels-attorney-general-orders-criminal-investigation-benjamin-netanyahu-a7499326.html

    You appear a truth-spinning hasbara troll.

    Grow up.

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    Well, if you are not a hasbara troll, then you are a Hasbara brainwahed Western mug. You have no idea what you are typing about but you still do. Typical.

    Your parents must often tell you to grow up.

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  • @Randal

    Direct monetary comparisons of military budgets are wrong, period.
     
    Correct, but not as wrong as dismissing any importance for military budget size out of hand, especially when the difference is as colossal as that between the US and all other powers.

    Look, there are always arguments to be made why any particular country's budget overstates or understates its military strength, and in general they mostly broadly cancel out. The trouble is that most of them are speculative (such as the performance of military systems untested in real warfare, or unproven claims of corruption) and highly subjective in nature, and so advocates for any particular side tend inevitably to believe in and exaggerate the ones that suit their own side.

    Is the US military budget massively impacted by corruption and incompetence? Yes. Is there any country's military budget that is not massively impacted by corruption and incompetence? Probably not - the exception might be small countries facing genuine and direct existential threats such as early Israel.

    Is US military spending worse affected by corruption and incompetence than any other? Quite probably (almost certainly, in fact). The amounts of money available are vastly greater, and everyone involved knows, even if they don't admit it to others or even to themselves, that there is no serious external military threat.

    But this only reinforces the argument that I was making and that you seem to be taking issue with - that US military spending is vastly too high.

    Is there any country’s military budget that is not massively impacted by corruption and incompetence? Probably not – the exception might be small countries facing genuine and direct existential threats such as early Israel.

    People such as you do not make a serious contribution to the debate here: http://www.timesofisrael.com/prosecutors-open-criminal-investigation-over-submarines-affair/

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israels-attorney-general-orders-criminal-investigation-benjamin-netanyahu-a7499326.html

    You appear a truth-spinning hasbara troll.

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  • “Deep State War? Seven Russian Officials Murdered or Found Dead Since US Election Day: “http://www.globalresearch.ca/deep-state-war-seven-russian-officials-murdered-or-found-dead-since-us-election-day/5577279

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  • @Andrei Martyanov
    Direct monetary comparisons of military budgets are wrong, period. And even PPP "adjustments" do not give precise figure. Let's put it this way, not arguing about Pentagon's waste and fraud, but Russia gets a bang for the buck on the order of magnitude more. Compare costs of SU-35s and of F-35, which is a technological disaster, no matter how one tries to put a lipstick on the pig, including its "stealth". Russia can sell SU-35 for 65 millions a pop and make a killing. Try to sell F-35 for this price. This is just one example. There are also strategic and operational allowances to be made, as Russia's activity in Syria so well demonstrated.

    Direct monetary comparisons of military budgets are wrong, period.

    Correct, but not as wrong as dismissing any importance for military budget size out of hand, especially when the difference is as colossal as that between the US and all other powers.

    Look, there are always arguments to be made why any particular country’s budget overstates or understates its military strength, and in general they mostly broadly cancel out. The trouble is that most of them are speculative (such as the performance of military systems untested in real warfare, or unproven claims of corruption) and highly subjective in nature, and so advocates for any particular side tend inevitably to believe in and exaggerate the ones that suit their own side.

    Is the US military budget massively impacted by corruption and incompetence? Yes. Is there any country’s military budget that is not massively impacted by corruption and incompetence? Probably not – the exception might be small countries facing genuine and direct existential threats such as early Israel.

    Is US military spending worse affected by corruption and incompetence than any other? Quite probably (almost certainly, in fact). The amounts of money available are vastly greater, and everyone involved knows, even if they don’t admit it to others or even to themselves, that there is no serious external military threat.

    But this only reinforces the argument that I was making and that you seem to be taking issue with – that US military spending is vastly too high.

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    Is there any country’s military budget that is not massively impacted by corruption and incompetence? Probably not – the exception might be small countries facing genuine and direct existential threats such as early Israel.
     
    People such as you do not make a serious contribution to the debate here: http://www.timesofisrael.com/prosecutors-open-criminal-investigation-over-submarines-affair/
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israels-attorney-general-orders-criminal-investigation-benjamin-netanyahu-a7499326.html

    You appear a truth-spinning hasbara troll.

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  • Thanks I was converting all the scientific notations to the the Ebase form and missed the 100MT nuclear detonation = 3.5×1019. It should read 3.4E19 calories (chemical). Thanks!!

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  • @krollchem
    I agree with you that the tsunami issue is no concern based on these fun calculations:

    A nuclear explosion wave is similar to a rock thrown into a pond where the amplitude of the wave may be high but the wavelength is very short. Available research demonstrates that surface waves from even a very large offshore undersea explosion would expend most of their energy on the continental shelf, resulting in coastal flooding no worse than that from a bad storm: “Water Waves Generated by Underwater Explosions” https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235143557_Water_Waves_Generated_by_Underwater_Explosion

    In contrast, an underwater earthquake from a reverse fault yields a water displacement that has a much lower amplitude but a much greater wavelength. Thus a tsunami travels much further with little loss of energy:
    “Wind-generated waves usually have period (time between two successive waves) of five to twenty seconds and a wavelength of 100 to 200 meters. A tsunami can have a period in the range of ten minutes to two hours and wavelengths greater than 500 km. A wave is characterized as a shallow-water wave when the ratio of the water depth and wavelength is very small. The velocity of a shallow-water wave is also equal to the square root of the product of the acceleration of gravity, g, (10m/sec2) and the depth of the water, d.

    The rate at which a wave loses its energy is inversely related to its wavelength. Since a tsunami has a very large wavelength, it will lose little energy as it propagates. Thus, in very deep water, a tsunami will travel at high speeds with little loss of energy. For example, when the ocean is 6100 m deep, a tsunami will travel about 890 km/hr, and thus can travel across the Pacific Ocean in less than one day.”
    http://www.tulane.edu/~sanelson/Natural_Disasters/tsunami.htm

    If close to shore, a wave from an underwater nuclear explosion could be approximately modeled from known underwater explosions which constitute about 1% of all tsunamis. In the case of the 1650 AD Kolumbo tsunami, the source mechanism that best matches with the spatial distribution of tsunami deposits in Santorini is a 2E16 Joules underwater explosion initiated at water depths of 150 m. Initial wave surface displacement of 300m yielded a maximum coastal tsunami of 12m to a nearby island but dropped off rapidly with distance: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235143557_Water_Waves_Generated_by_Underwater_Explosion

    A 100MT would yield 41.84E16 J of energy. In case of an underwater nuclear explosion about 50% would be blast energy, 15% nuclear radiation and 35% thermal radiation. This would yield about 20E16 J of blast energy, or ten time that of the Kolumbo underwater explosion. Perhaps the initial wave might approach a nearby shore at a height of 40-100 m but would break at a corresponding water depths and end up as a very damaging storm surge. I would be more concerned by flooding caused radioactive rain due to some of the 1-5E12 tons of radioactive water raised in the column.
    (See: http://www.abomb1.org/nukeffct/enw77b2.html).

    A significant quantity of the radioactivity comes from non-fissile uranium-234, which is an alpha emitter with half life of 2.44E5years , as well as isotopes of plutonium formed by the neutron irradiation of U-238 in the explosion (at 80% U-235 enrichment).
    http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2619320/the_forgotten_uranium_isotope_secrets_of_the_nuclear_bomb_tests_revealed.html

    In addition to other radioisotopes from the fission of U-235 there are seawater components that become radioactive from the 15% nuclear radiation of the detonation:
    Sodium-24 (half life of 15 hrs) and 0.1% of seawater
    Chloride-36 (half life of 300,000 years) and 0.1% of seawater
    sulfur -35 (half life of 87.5 days) and 0.09% of seawater

    The greatest seawater component concern is Na-24 which decays to Mg-24 by beta-minus decay emission of an electron and two gamma rays.

    Given that the thermal energy from a 100MT nuclear detonation = 3.5x1019
    Calories, you get up to 2.21E10 megatons of steam or a lot of really hot water and steam! Anyone for a warm radioactive bath?

    For fun, see Nukemap to get the radius of fireball for an air burst. Google quit supporting the more advanced Nukemap3D, as users were having too much fun blowing up things. Porn comes in many forms:
    http://www.nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

    Thank you. I have saved it for proper digestion later. To show that I have attended let me ask whether your “3.5×1019 Calories” means something that makes sense of it, as I can’t see it

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Interesting but comparing with earthquakes is not pointless because that deals with the underwater pressures that create tsunamis. Clearly the tonnage of water blown up vertically above sea level will vary depending on, inter alia, water depth and the depth of the bomb when exploded. The amount should be calculable as well as the force with which it will descend by gravity.

    Just as a very very rough test calculation i note that 10 cubic kilometres of water when one metre deep covers 100 kilometres × 100 kilometres of which perhaps a quarter might be on land. The mass of water that has been lifted out of the sea is 10 billion tonnes.

    I agree with you that the tsunami issue is no concern based on these fun calculations:

    A nuclear explosion wave is similar to a rock thrown into a pond where the amplitude of the wave may be high but the wavelength is very short. Available research demonstrates that surface waves from even a very large offshore undersea explosion would expend most of their energy on the continental shelf, resulting in coastal flooding no worse than that from a bad storm: “Water Waves Generated by Underwater Explosions” https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235143557_Water_Waves_Generated_by_Underwater_Explosion

    In contrast, an underwater earthquake from a reverse fault yields a water displacement that has a much lower amplitude but a much greater wavelength. Thus a tsunami travels much further with little loss of energy:
    “Wind-generated waves usually have period (time between two successive waves) of five to twenty seconds and a wavelength of 100 to 200 meters. A tsunami can have a period in the range of ten minutes to two hours and wavelengths greater than 500 km. A wave is characterized as a shallow-water wave when the ratio of the water depth and wavelength is very small. The velocity of a shallow-water wave is also equal to the square root of the product of the acceleration of gravity, g, (10m/sec2) and the depth of the water, d.

    The rate at which a wave loses its energy is inversely related to its wavelength. Since a tsunami has a very large wavelength, it will lose little energy as it propagates. Thus, in very deep water, a tsunami will travel at high speeds with little loss of energy. For example, when the ocean is 6100 m deep, a tsunami will travel about 890 km/hr, and thus can travel across the Pacific Ocean in less than one day.”

    http://www.tulane.edu/~sanelson/Natural_Disasters/tsunami.htm

    If close to shore, a wave from an underwater nuclear explosion could be approximately modeled from known underwater explosions which constitute about 1% of all tsunamis. In the case of the 1650 AD Kolumbo tsunami, the source mechanism that best matches with the spatial distribution of tsunami deposits in Santorini is a 2E16 Joules underwater explosion initiated at water depths of 150 m. Initial wave surface displacement of 300m yielded a maximum coastal tsunami of 12m to a nearby island but dropped off rapidly with distance: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235143557_Water_Waves_Generated_by_Underwater_Explosion

    A 100MT would yield 41.84E16 J of energy. In case of an underwater nuclear explosion about 50% would be blast energy, 15% nuclear radiation and 35% thermal radiation. This would yield about 20E16 J of blast energy, or ten time that of the Kolumbo underwater explosion. Perhaps the initial wave might approach a nearby shore at a height of 40-100 m but would break at a corresponding water depths and end up as a very damaging storm surge. I would be more concerned by flooding caused radioactive rain due to some of the 1-5E12 tons of radioactive water raised in the column.
    (See: http://www.abomb1.org/nukeffct/enw77b2.html).

    A significant quantity of the radioactivity comes from non-fissile uranium-234, which is an alpha emitter with half life of 2.44E5years , as well as isotopes of plutonium formed by the neutron irradiation of U-238 in the explosion (at 80% U-235 enrichment).

    http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2619320/the_forgotten_uranium_isotope_secrets_of_the_nuclear_bomb_tests_revealed.html

    In addition to other radioisotopes from the fission of U-235 there are seawater components that become radioactive from the 15% nuclear radiation of the detonation:
    Sodium-24 (half life of 15 hrs) and 0.1% of seawater
    Chloride-36 (half life of 300,000 years) and 0.1% of seawater
    sulfur -35 (half life of 87.5 days) and 0.09% of seawater

    The greatest seawater component concern is Na-24 which decays to Mg-24 by beta-minus decay emission of an electron and two gamma rays.

    Given that the thermal energy from a 100MT nuclear detonation = 3.5×1019
    Calories, you get up to 2.21E10 megatons of steam or a lot of really hot water and steam! Anyone for a warm radioactive bath?

    For fun, see Nukemap to get the radius of fireball for an air burst. Google quit supporting the more advanced Nukemap3D, as users were having too much fun blowing up things. Porn comes in many forms:

    http://www.nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

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    Thank you. I have saved it for proper digestion later. To show that I have attended let me ask whether your "3.5×1019 Calories" means something that makes sense of it, as I can't see it
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  • Wow! The Empire is so thin-skinned that Wikipedia is suppressing the SouthFront site. The SouthFront has been providing invaluable factual information about the situation in Syria and about Ukrainian crisis. http://thesaker.is/open-letter-concerning-wikipedia-suppression-of-southfront-information/
    “A few days ago Wikipedia announced intention to remove its entry on SouthFront, explaining an issue by the pro-Russian position of the project and, by way of issuing an official reason, that the information about the project mostly cites the SouthFront site.”

    What a disgraceful decline of Wikipedia. Looks like a strangulation du jour by the deep state.

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  • @annamaria
    More on the Canadian friend of Poland Chrystia Freeland, Canada's Minister of Foreign Affairs:
    "The sins of the grandfather can hardly be attributed to the granddaughter,” says Polish investigator Balcerac, “—except for two, race hatred and lying. Chomiak made a lucrative war selling hatred of Jews, Poles and Russians. Freeland is doing the same preaching race hatred of Russians. To mask what she’s doing, she has lied about the Nazi record of her family. The Chomiaks weren’t victims; they were aggressors.”
    http://johnhelmer.net/victim-or-aggressor-chrystia-freelands-family-record-for-nazi-war-profiteering-and-murder-of-the-cracow-jews/

    The fact that a lot of people know how Chrystia Freeland turned her family’s history from being very close Nazi collaborators into being the victims of the Russians and she is still a key cabinet minister in the Canadian Government says that this is now OK. The current Zionists care more about ruling the World (and profits) then about who killed their grandfathers and grandmothers. A few show trials were enough to sate the appetite for revenge and to switch to profiteering. It is now more important to crush Russia and to coopt China into the global empire than to serve justice for the victims.

    This reminds me of the former SG of UN from Austria, Kurt Waldheim, who used to be an SS officer killing Jews and Slavs in the Balkans, but TPTB considered him even more useful with this chip/log on his shoulder.

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  • @Intelligent Dasein
    I've been reading the conversation between Kiza and Wizard of Oz here, and while I don't have time to go into to detail right now, I just wanted to point out that there is no such thing as a directed nuclear detonation. The claims of a tsunami that travels 1500 miles inland in the linked article are also extremely puzzling and likely the result of the author misunderstanding the information his sources were giving him. However, with a 100 megaton warhead at your disposal, it really doesn't matter. Get that thing anywhere near the coast and it's game over.

    Nobody knows what a 100 megaton surface burst would actually do, since no nuclear device even approaching that yield has ever been tested on the surface. The 52 megaton Tsar Bomba detonated by the Soviets was an air burst. So while we don't have a lot of hard data to draw from, we can certainly say that the effects would be horrific.

    With respect, both you and Wiz are assuming that a a directed thermonuclear explosion is not possible. Even without reading about it, I am fairly certain that this is wrong, simply on the basis of physics. Just search (duckduckgo.com) for “directed thermonuclear explosion”, as I just did, and you will find a few references such as: http://atomic-skies.blogspot.com.au/2015/03/third-generation-nuclear-weapons.html. Although their focus is on Nuclear Directed Energy Weapons (NDEWs), that is directing nuclear explosion energy into X-ray weapons, the principle of focusing the energy from a nuclear explosion is very similar to a potential tsunami weapon.

    Nevertheless, in terms of destructive capacity, a weapon causing earthquakes would be much more effective than a tsunami weapon.

    Ultimately, death from radiation is possibly the worst and the scariest of all. Therefore, open air nuclear and thermonuclear explosions should do a good job of disinfecting the planet of us humans.

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  • @attonn
    Watch this. This is an 8-kiloton underwater nuke blast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDMUekfOR-E

    What Russians are planning on detonating along US coastline is 12 000 times more powerful.

    TWELVE THOUSAND.

    Forget about comparing it to earthquakes, that's pointless.

    Interesting but comparing with earthquakes is not pointless because that deals with the underwater pressures that create tsunamis. Clearly the tonnage of water blown up vertically above sea level will vary depending on, inter alia, water depth and the depth of the bomb when exploded. The amount should be calculable as well as the force with which it will descend by gravity.

    Just as a very very rough test calculation i note that 10 cubic kilometres of water when one metre deep covers 100 kilometres × 100 kilometres of which perhaps a quarter might be on land. The mass of water that has been lifted out of the sea is 10 billion tonnes.

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    I agree with you that the tsunami issue is no concern based on these fun calculations:

    A nuclear explosion wave is similar to a rock thrown into a pond where the amplitude of the wave may be high but the wavelength is very short. Available research demonstrates that surface waves from even a very large offshore undersea explosion would expend most of their energy on the continental shelf, resulting in coastal flooding no worse than that from a bad storm: “Water Waves Generated by Underwater Explosions” https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235143557_Water_Waves_Generated_by_Underwater_Explosion

    In contrast, an underwater earthquake from a reverse fault yields a water displacement that has a much lower amplitude but a much greater wavelength. Thus a tsunami travels much further with little loss of energy:
    “Wind-generated waves usually have period (time between two successive waves) of five to twenty seconds and a wavelength of 100 to 200 meters. A tsunami can have a period in the range of ten minutes to two hours and wavelengths greater than 500 km. A wave is characterized as a shallow-water wave when the ratio of the water depth and wavelength is very small. The velocity of a shallow-water wave is also equal to the square root of the product of the acceleration of gravity, g, (10m/sec2) and the depth of the water, d.

    The rate at which a wave loses its energy is inversely related to its wavelength. Since a tsunami has a very large wavelength, it will lose little energy as it propagates. Thus, in very deep water, a tsunami will travel at high speeds with little loss of energy. For example, when the ocean is 6100 m deep, a tsunami will travel about 890 km/hr, and thus can travel across the Pacific Ocean in less than one day.”
    http://www.tulane.edu/~sanelson/Natural_Disasters/tsunami.htm

    If close to shore, a wave from an underwater nuclear explosion could be approximately modeled from known underwater explosions which constitute about 1% of all tsunamis. In the case of the 1650 AD Kolumbo tsunami, the source mechanism that best matches with the spatial distribution of tsunami deposits in Santorini is a 2E16 Joules underwater explosion initiated at water depths of 150 m. Initial wave surface displacement of 300m yielded a maximum coastal tsunami of 12m to a nearby island but dropped off rapidly with distance: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235143557_Water_Waves_Generated_by_Underwater_Explosion

    A 100MT would yield 41.84E16 J of energy. In case of an underwater nuclear explosion about 50% would be blast energy, 15% nuclear radiation and 35% thermal radiation. This would yield about 20E16 J of blast energy, or ten time that of the Kolumbo underwater explosion. Perhaps the initial wave might approach a nearby shore at a height of 40-100 m but would break at a corresponding water depths and end up as a very damaging storm surge. I would be more concerned by flooding caused radioactive rain due to some of the 1-5E12 tons of radioactive water raised in the column.
    (See: http://www.abomb1.org/nukeffct/enw77b2.html).

    A significant quantity of the radioactivity comes from non-fissile uranium-234, which is an alpha emitter with half life of 2.44E5years , as well as isotopes of plutonium formed by the neutron irradiation of U-238 in the explosion (at 80% U-235 enrichment).
    http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2619320/the_forgotten_uranium_isotope_secrets_of_the_nuclear_bomb_tests_revealed.html

    In addition to other radioisotopes from the fission of U-235 there are seawater components that become radioactive from the 15% nuclear radiation of the detonation:
    Sodium-24 (half life of 15 hrs) and 0.1% of seawater
    Chloride-36 (half life of 300,000 years) and 0.1% of seawater
    sulfur -35 (half life of 87.5 days) and 0.09% of seawater

    The greatest seawater component concern is Na-24 which decays to Mg-24 by beta-minus decay emission of an electron and two gamma rays.

    Given that the thermal energy from a 100MT nuclear detonation = 3.5x1019
    Calories, you get up to 2.21E10 megatons of steam or a lot of really hot water and steam! Anyone for a warm radioactive bath?

    For fun, see Nukemap to get the radius of fireball for an air burst. Google quit supporting the more advanced Nukemap3D, as users were having too much fun blowing up things. Porn comes in many forms:
    http://www.nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Interesting link but would you care to spell out the physics of the 1700 foot high tsunami which otherwise is mere speculation by someone with no stated scientific qualifications.

    Here is my starting point for an argument that it is total rubbish

    By Googling for the Richter scale equivalent of kilo or mega tons of TNT I came across 63,000 megatons for the Sumatran 9.2/9.3 earthquake/tsunami of 26 December 2004 which I remember well because it swept through a beach house I often rent in August. Tsunamis are pressure waves (nothing like wind driven surface waves) which create havoc by rising where they strike coastal resistance. Even in Sumatra where over 200,000 people died close to the epicentre and hypocentre nothing remotely like a 500 metre or 1700 foot high tsunami was generated. And that, remember, was from an explosive force over 6000 times as powerful as the 100 megaton nuclear weapon.

    Oops! Not >6000 times but >600 times. But of course y’all were too polite to pick me up on that…

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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
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    A Russian defense advocate using the Janes’ metric in Chart 2 could argue that (1) Russia is now spending slightly less than Saudi Arabia, less than India, and less than the UK; (2) the size of Russia’s budget is only a quarter of China’s; and (3) the size of Russia’s defense budget is an astonishing one-twelfth of that of the United States!

    Add to the U.S. defense budget the contributions of its allies and close friends and the spending balance in favor the U.S. and its allies to that of Russia alone becomes an astounding 21 to 1! Even if Russia could trust China to be a reliable ally — which it can’t — the current spending imbalance is over four to one in favor of the U.S. and its allies on the one hand and Russia and China on the other.
     
    There's a nice illustration of the dramatic gulf between US military spending and the rest of the world's - including Russia's and China's, in the Intercept:

    On Monday, the White House said it would request $54 billion more in military spending for next year. That increase alone is roughly the size of the entire annual military budget of the United Kingdom, the fifth-largest spending country, and it’s more than 80 percent of Russia’s entire military budget in 2015.

    Direct monetary comparisons of military budgets are wrong, period. And even PPP “adjustments” do not give precise figure. Let’s put it this way, not arguing about Pentagon’s waste and fraud, but Russia gets a bang for the buck on the order of magnitude more. Compare costs of SU-35s and of F-35, which is a technological disaster, no matter how one tries to put a lipstick on the pig, including its “stealth”. Russia can sell SU-35 for 65 millions a pop and make a killing. Try to sell F-35 for this price. This is just one example. There are also strategic and operational allowances to be made, as Russia’s activity in Syria so well demonstrated.

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    Direct monetary comparisons of military budgets are wrong, period.
     
    Correct, but not as wrong as dismissing any importance for military budget size out of hand, especially when the difference is as colossal as that between the US and all other powers.

    Look, there are always arguments to be made why any particular country's budget overstates or understates its military strength, and in general they mostly broadly cancel out. The trouble is that most of them are speculative (such as the performance of military systems untested in real warfare, or unproven claims of corruption) and highly subjective in nature, and so advocates for any particular side tend inevitably to believe in and exaggerate the ones that suit their own side.

    Is the US military budget massively impacted by corruption and incompetence? Yes. Is there any country's military budget that is not massively impacted by corruption and incompetence? Probably not - the exception might be small countries facing genuine and direct existential threats such as early Israel.

    Is US military spending worse affected by corruption and incompetence than any other? Quite probably (almost certainly, in fact). The amounts of money available are vastly greater, and everyone involved knows, even if they don't admit it to others or even to themselves, that there is no serious external military threat.

    But this only reinforces the argument that I was making and that you seem to be taking issue with - that US military spending is vastly too high.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Interesting link but would you care to spell out the physics of the 1700 foot high tsunami which otherwise is mere speculation by someone with no stated scientific qualifications.

    Here is my starting point for an argument that it is total rubbish

    By Googling for the Richter scale equivalent of kilo or mega tons of TNT I came across 63,000 megatons for the Sumatran 9.2/9.3 earthquake/tsunami of 26 December 2004 which I remember well because it swept through a beach house I often rent in August. Tsunamis are pressure waves (nothing like wind driven surface waves) which create havoc by rising where they strike coastal resistance. Even in Sumatra where over 200,000 people died close to the epicentre and hypocentre nothing remotely like a 500 metre or 1700 foot high tsunami was generated. And that, remember, was from an explosive force over 6000 times as powerful as the 100 megaton nuclear weapon.

    Watch this. This is an 8-kiloton underwater nuke blast.

    What Russians are planning on detonating along US coastline is 12 000 times more powerful.

    TWELVE THOUSAND.

    Forget about comparing it to earthquakes, that’s pointless.

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    Interesting but comparing with earthquakes is not pointless because that deals with the underwater pressures that create tsunamis. Clearly the tonnage of water blown up vertically above sea level will vary depending on, inter alia, water depth and the depth of the bomb when exploded. The amount should be calculable as well as the force with which it will descend by gravity.

    Just as a very very rough test calculation i note that 10 cubic kilometres of water when one metre deep covers 100 kilometres × 100 kilometres of which perhaps a quarter might be on land. The mass of water that has been lifted out of the sea is 10 billion tonnes.

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  • @mp
    My question: let's say we nuke it out with Russia and/or China. And let's say we win, whatever that could mean. What the hell then are we going to do with Russia and China? Occupy them? I mean, where is this going, ultimately? Oh...and one other thing before we start. Can someone tell me why Russia is my enemy? Or should I just go drink some beer and forget about it?

    The idea is not to occupy but to put into place a compliant elite and then leave.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Interesting link but would you care to spell out the physics of the 1700 foot high tsunami which otherwise is mere speculation by someone with no stated scientific qualifications.

    Here is my starting point for an argument that it is total rubbish

    By Googling for the Richter scale equivalent of kilo or mega tons of TNT I came across 63,000 megatons for the Sumatran 9.2/9.3 earthquake/tsunami of 26 December 2004 which I remember well because it swept through a beach house I often rent in August. Tsunamis are pressure waves (nothing like wind driven surface waves) which create havoc by rising where they strike coastal resistance. Even in Sumatra where over 200,000 people died close to the epicentre and hypocentre nothing remotely like a 500 metre or 1700 foot high tsunami was generated. And that, remember, was from an explosive force over 6000 times as powerful as the 100 megaton nuclear weapon.

    This is a really good question. I find Kiza’s and Bill Jones’s answers interesting, but they aren’t convincing.

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  • @Craig Morris
    Why can't we just get along? Simple. There's not enough money to be made by getting along.

    I would think power rather than money –though the two are largely fungible. My thought in reducing war to simplistic considerations was to smoke out some of the sub rosa drivers. It was Goering that said it was a simple matter for a leader to whip the populace into war frenzy. FDR certainly toasted Lindberg though Lindberg probably represented the greater portion of the populace. From my viewpoint the post 9/11 wars have had nothing but negative results. Yet we continue to pursue more of the same to “fix” the situation. It’s all facile superstructure and no substance. But we can’t see it.

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  • More on the Canadian friend of Poland Chrystia Freeland, Canada’s Minister of Foreign Affairs:
    “The sins of the grandfather can hardly be attributed to the granddaughter,” says Polish investigator Balcerac, “—except for two, race hatred and lying. Chomiak made a lucrative war selling hatred of Jews, Poles and Russians. Freeland is doing the same preaching race hatred of Russians. To mask what she’s doing, she has lied about the Nazi record of her family. The Chomiaks weren’t victims; they were aggressors.”

    http://johnhelmer.net/victim-or-aggressor-chrystia-freelands-family-record-for-nazi-war-profiteering-and-murder-of-the-cracow-jews/

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    The fact that a lot of people know how Chrystia Freeland turned her family's history from being very close Nazi collaborators into being the victims of the Russians and she is still a key cabinet minister in the Canadian Government says that this is now OK. The current Zionists care more about ruling the World (and profits) then about who killed their grandfathers and grandmothers. A few show trials were enough to sate the appetite for revenge and to switch to profiteering. It is now more important to crush Russia and to coopt China into the global empire than to serve justice for the victims.

    This reminds me of the former SG of UN from Austria, Kurt Waldheim, who used to be an SS officer killing Jews and Slavs in the Balkans, but TPTB considered him even more useful with this chip/log on his shoulder.
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  • Canadian values, with a distinct stinking smell:

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/02/27/a-nazi-skeleton-in-the-family-closet/

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    “Canada’s fiercely anti-Russian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland says her Ukrainian grandfather struggled “to return freedom and democracy to Ukraine,” but she leaves out that he was a Nazi propagandist… whom she has portrayed as victims of Josef Stalin and the Red Army.
    So the truth appears to be that Chomiak [Freeland's grandpa] moved from Ukraine to Nazi-occupied Poland in order to work for the Third Reich under the command of Governor-General Hans Frank, the man who organized the Holocaust in Poland. Mikhailo Chomiak comfortably settled his family into a former Jewish (or Aryanized) apartment in Krakow. The editorial offices for Krakivski Visti also were taken from a Jewish owner, Krakow’s Polish-language Jewish newspaper Nowy Dziennik. Its editor at the time was forced to flee Krakow for Lviv, where he was captured following the occupation of Galicia and sent to the Belzec extermination camp, where he was murdered along with 600,000 other Jews. So, it appears Freeland’s grandfather – rather than being a helpless victim – was given a prestigious job to spread Nazi propaganda, praising Hitler from a publishing house stolen from Jews and given to Ukrainians who shared the values of Nazism.
    Chomiak also hailed Governor-General Hans Frank: “The Ukrainian population were overjoyed to see the establishment of fair German authority, the bearer of which is you, Sir Governor-General. The Ukrainian people expressed this joy not only through the flowers they threw to the German troops entering the region, but also through the sacrifices of blood required to fight Polish usurpers.” (Because of Frank’s role in the Holocaust, the Nuremberg Tribunal found him guilty of crimes against humanity and executed him.) Beyond extolling Hitler and his henchmen, Chomiak rejoiced over Nazi military victories, including the terror bombings of Great Britain. While praising the Third Reich, Krakivski Visti was also under orders by the German authorities to stir up hatred against the Jewish population. Editorial selections from Chomiak’s newspaper can be found in Holocaust museums around the world, such as the one in Los Angeles, California. The Nov. 6, 1941 issue of Krakivski Visti ecstatically describes how much better Kiev is without Jews. “There is not a single one left in Kiev today, while there were 350,000 under the Bolsheviks,” the newspaper wrote, gloating that the Jews “got their comeuppance.”
    That “comeuppance” refers to the mass shooting of Kiev’s Jewish population at Babi Yar. In just two days, Sept. 29-30, 1941, a total of 33,771 people were murdered, a figure that does not include children younger than three years old. There were more shootings in October, and by early November, Krakivski Visti was enthusing over a city where the Jewish population had “disappeared” making Kiev “beautiful, glorious.” Chomiak’s editorials also described a Poland “infected by Jews.”

    Mrs. Chrystia Freeland is really stupid: “Editorial selections from Chomiak’s newspaper can be found in Holocaust museums around the world, such as the one in Los Angeles, California.” Chrystia Freeland has managed to expose herself as a liar – and a proud ideological (and biological) progeny of a Nazi collaborator. What a stinky surprise for those who recommended her to get to Harvard and Oxford (what’s wrong with these schools?) And what a stain on Justin Trudeau for his unwise choice.
    Take a note that Chrystia Freeland and Victoria Nuland-Kagan have found each other in their rabid Russophobia. Nuland-Kagan of course is more interested in her political career than in such trifles as the neo-Nazi “quality” of her collaborators.

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  • A Russian defense advocate using the Janes’ metric in Chart 2 could argue that (1) Russia is now spending slightly less than Saudi Arabia, less than India, and less than the UK; (2) the size of Russia’s budget is only a quarter of China’s; and (3) the size of Russia’s defense budget is an astonishing one-twelfth of that of the United States!

    Add to the U.S. defense budget the contributions of its allies and close friends and the spending balance in favor the U.S. and its allies to that of Russia alone becomes an astounding 21 to 1! Even if Russia could trust China to be a reliable ally — which it can’t — the current spending imbalance is over four to one in favor of the U.S. and its allies on the one hand and Russia and China on the other.

    There’s a nice illustration of the dramatic gulf between US military spending and the rest of the world’s – including Russia’s and China’s, in the Intercept:

    On Monday, the White House said it would request $54 billion more in military spending for next year. That increase alone is roughly the size of the entire annual military budget of the United Kingdom, the fifth-largest spending country, and it’s more than 80 percent of Russia’s entire military budget in 2015.

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    Direct monetary comparisons of military budgets are wrong, period. And even PPP "adjustments" do not give precise figure. Let's put it this way, not arguing about Pentagon's waste and fraud, but Russia gets a bang for the buck on the order of magnitude more. Compare costs of SU-35s and of F-35, which is a technological disaster, no matter how one tries to put a lipstick on the pig, including its "stealth". Russia can sell SU-35 for 65 millions a pop and make a killing. Try to sell F-35 for this price. This is just one example. There are also strategic and operational allowances to be made, as Russia's activity in Syria so well demonstrated.
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  • @Kiza
    From high-school physics, it is easy to recall that no energy conversion is 100% efficient, every conversion ends up wasting a part of energy into thermal (entropy - disambiguation). Therefore, there are losses all the way. But the designers would not only concentrate energy then also optimize the wave production, which is what an earthquake cannot do. Obviously, you do not use any mechanical "structure", a reflector, to focus the mechanical form of energy into a beam, you produce a thermonuclear explosion in a way which already focuses energy:
    1) by using directional fusion and
    2) maybe further augmenting beam creation using powerful electromagnetic fields (similar to the old Cathode Ray Tube TV or particle accelerator).

    I was not aware that a 200 MT fusion device existed, Tsar Bomba of 57 MT having been the largest one ever exploded (and then abandoned because of many reasons): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba.

    Therefore, the tsunami torpedo/bomb of such power is more likely to be a concept rather than reality. But I would not discard the possibility that it could be built. Human ingenuity towards destruction appears limitless.

    Now I see Dasein shares my scepticism – in his case it is disbelief – concerning directional nuclear explosions. But then he seems to miss the point I was making about tsunamis produced by earthquakes. No doubt a 100 megaton bomb exploded at the bottom of Long Island Sound would do immense damage but it certainly wouldn’t be “game over” if not directional as he and I both assume.

    After all we know what an earthquake which was about 80,000 megatons equivalent did from a few miles offshore near Fukushima. That’s many times the power of a 100 megaton bomb.

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  • @Kiza
    From high-school physics, it is easy to recall that no energy conversion is 100% efficient, every conversion ends up wasting a part of energy into thermal (entropy - disambiguation). Therefore, there are losses all the way. But the designers would not only concentrate energy then also optimize the wave production, which is what an earthquake cannot do. Obviously, you do not use any mechanical "structure", a reflector, to focus the mechanical form of energy into a beam, you produce a thermonuclear explosion in a way which already focuses energy:
    1) by using directional fusion and
    2) maybe further augmenting beam creation using powerful electromagnetic fields (similar to the old Cathode Ray Tube TV or particle accelerator).

    I was not aware that a 200 MT fusion device existed, Tsar Bomba of 57 MT having been the largest one ever exploded (and then abandoned because of many reasons): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba.

    Therefore, the tsunami torpedo/bomb of such power is more likely to be a concept rather than reality. But I would not discard the possibility that it could be built. Human ingenuity towards destruction appears limitless.

    Now I see Dasein shares my scepticism – in his case it is disbelief – concerning directional nuclear explosions. But then he seems to miss the point I was making about tsunamis produced by earthquakes. No doubt a 100 megaton bomb exploded at the bottom of Long Island Sound would do immense damage but it certainly wouldn’t be “game over” if not directional as he and I both assume.

    After all we know what an earthquake which was about 80,000 megatons equivalent did from a few miles offshore near Fukushima. That’s many times the power of a 100 megaton bomb.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    I think you are probably right to emphasise the extra dimension but it doesn't answer fmdoubts about the ability to focus all the energy from a nuclear device. A natural analogy is a volcano erupting and blowing millions of tons of rock and pollutants into the atmosphere. I haven't tried to calculate the megaton equivalent but note that a pretty solid heavy structure is needed to focus the explosion.

    From high-school physics, it is easy to recall that no energy conversion is 100% efficient, every conversion ends up wasting a part of energy into thermal (entropy – disambiguation). Therefore, there are losses all the way. But the designers would not only concentrate energy then also optimize the wave production, which is what an earthquake cannot do. Obviously, you do not use any mechanical “structure”, a reflector, to focus the mechanical form of energy into a beam, you produce a thermonuclear explosion in a way which already focuses energy:
    1) by using directional fusion and
    2) maybe further augmenting beam creation using powerful electromagnetic fields (similar to the old Cathode Ray Tube TV or particle accelerator).

    I was not aware that a 200 MT fusion device existed, Tsar Bomba of 57 MT having been the largest one ever exploded (and then abandoned because of many reasons): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba.

    Therefore, the tsunami torpedo/bomb of such power is more likely to be a concept rather than reality. But I would not discard the possibility that it could be built. Human ingenuity towards destruction appears limitless.

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    Now I see Dasein shares my scepticism - in his case it is disbelief - concerning directional nuclear explosions. But then he seems to miss the point I was making about tsunamis produced by earthquakes. No doubt a 100 megaton bomb exploded at the bottom of Long Island Sound would do immense damage but it certainly wouldn't be "game over" if not directional as he and I both assume.

    After all we know what an earthquake which was about 80,000 megatons equivalent did from a few miles offshore near Fukushima. That's many times the power of a 100 megaton bomb.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Now I see Dasein shares my scepticism - in his case it is disbelief - concerning directional nuclear explosions. But then he seems to miss the point I was making about tsunamis produced by earthquakes. No doubt a 100 megaton bomb exploded at the bottom of Long Island Sound would do immense damage but it certainly wouldn't be "game over" if not directional as he and I both assume.

    After all we know what an earthquake which was about 80,000 megatons equivalent did from a few miles offshore near Fukushima. That's many times the power of a 100 megaton bomb.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    I think you are probably right to emphasise the extra dimension but it doesn't answer fmdoubts about the ability to focus all the energy from a nuclear device. A natural analogy is a volcano erupting and blowing millions of tons of rock and pollutants into the atmosphere. I haven't tried to calculate the megaton equivalent but note that a pretty solid heavy structure is needed to focus the explosion.

    I’ve been reading the conversation between Kiza and Wizard of Oz here, and while I don’t have time to go into to detail right now, I just wanted to point out that there is no such thing as a directed nuclear detonation. The claims of a tsunami that travels 1500 miles inland in the linked article are also extremely puzzling and likely the result of the author misunderstanding the information his sources were giving him. However, with a 100 megaton warhead at your disposal, it really doesn’t matter. Get that thing anywhere near the coast and it’s game over.

    Nobody knows what a 100 megaton surface burst would actually do, since no nuclear device even approaching that yield has ever been tested on the surface. The 52 megaton Tsar Bomba detonated by the Soviets was an air burst. So while we don’t have a lot of hard data to draw from, we can certainly say that the effects would be horrific.

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    • Replies: @Kiza
    With respect, both you and Wiz are assuming that a a directed thermonuclear explosion is not possible. Even without reading about it, I am fairly certain that this is wrong, simply on the basis of physics. Just search (duckduckgo.com) for "directed thermonuclear explosion", as I just did, and you will find a few references such as: http://atomic-skies.blogspot.com.au/2015/03/third-generation-nuclear-weapons.html. Although their focus is on Nuclear Directed Energy Weapons (NDEWs), that is directing nuclear explosion energy into X-ray weapons, the principle of focusing the energy from a nuclear explosion is very similar to a potential tsunami weapon.

    Nevertheless, in terms of destructive capacity, a weapon causing earthquakes would be much more effective than a tsunami weapon.

    Ultimately, death from radiation is possibly the worst and the scariest of all. Therefore, open air nuclear and thermonuclear explosions should do a good job of disinfecting the planet of us humans.
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  • Those who have read the book “Boyd –the fighter pilot who changed the art of war” will realize that this most important article by two of Boyd’s six “acolytes” is a stern warning of the dangers from the grave ossified state of the American military complex.
    Sprey and Spinney epitomize Col Boyd’s core philosophy:

    “One day you will take a fork in the road, and you’re going to have to make a decision about which direction you want to go. If you go one way, you can be somebody. You will have to make your compromises and … turn your back on your friends, but you will be a member of the club, and you will get promoted and get good assignments. Or you can go the other way, and you can do something, something for your country and for your Air Force and for yourself. … You may not get promoted, and you may not get good assignments, and you certainly will not be a favorite of your superiors, but you won’t have to compromise yourself. … In life there is often a roll call. That’s when you have to make a decision: to be or to do.”
    –Col. John Boyd

    To ignore this warning is to abandon America to that described in the quote: “Prussia is not a country which has an army, but an army which is a country”. Unfortunately, most US military leaders and politicians are linear thinkers and also cannot recognize the escalation feedback loop of an arms race (See Peter Senge- The Fifth Discipline).

    Many of these US generals also believe that a nuclear war can actually be won. The full scale nuclear war models that predict the nuclear winter aftermath of a nuclear war appear to have even been rejected by John Holdren, the Senior Advisor to President Barack Obama on Science and Technology or Rose Gottemoeller, the Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security and the US Nuclear Weapons Council:

    https://fas.org/2017/01/turning-a-blind-eye-towards-armageddon-u-s-leaders-reject-nuclear-winter-studies/

    For more on even a limited nuclear war and its aftermath:

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013EF000205/full

    http://science.howstuffworks.com/nuclear-winter2.htm

    It is also important to realize that you cannot have a limited nuclear war: https://warisboring.com/no-you-cant-have-a-small-nuclear-war-67af859bb1e5#.27xkrr8ve

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  • @Kiza

    Divide 63,000 by 20/360 and you still get 35 100 megaton bombs!
     
    Well, maybe you should refresh your trigonometry rather than particle physics. Why send mechanical energy to the bottom of the ocean or to the sky? Therefore, why are you treating a spatial problem as a one dimensional problem? Assume a nicely focused 10 degree special angle beam in two dimensions. If you project a sphere onto a flat surface, which is a good approximation for small spatial angles, concentrating energy into a narrow beam would require squaring of your ratio. Try a 10 degree angle: 63,000 MT x (10/360)^2=48 MT, whilst they are talking about a 200MT torpedo. Play with this formula to find out that even a 20 degree angle would be good enough for a 200MT device. But if this is a viable doomsday technology why not think of a much narrower beam, maybe 5 degrees or even 1 degree? A 200MT explosion focused into a 1 degree angle becomes equivalent to a 26 Teraton, that is 26,000,000 MT, tsunami generating earthquake.

    Swords into plowshares is definitely the biggest lost opportunity of humankind. The West had a chance to power down after "the evil empire" SU dissolved in 1991, instead it went hyperpower nuts trying to build a totalitarian police, military and media controlled global empire. This shows who was truly evil.

    I think you are probably right to emphasise the extra dimension but it doesn’t answer fmdoubts about the ability to focus all the energy from a nuclear device. A natural analogy is a volcano erupting and blowing millions of tons of rock and pollutants into the atmosphere. I haven’t tried to calculate the megaton equivalent but note that a pretty solid heavy structure is needed to focus the explosion.

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    I've been reading the conversation between Kiza and Wizard of Oz here, and while I don't have time to go into to detail right now, I just wanted to point out that there is no such thing as a directed nuclear detonation. The claims of a tsunami that travels 1500 miles inland in the linked article are also extremely puzzling and likely the result of the author misunderstanding the information his sources were giving him. However, with a 100 megaton warhead at your disposal, it really doesn't matter. Get that thing anywhere near the coast and it's game over.

    Nobody knows what a 100 megaton surface burst would actually do, since no nuclear device even approaching that yield has ever been tested on the surface. The 52 megaton Tsar Bomba detonated by the Soviets was an air burst. So while we don't have a lot of hard data to draw from, we can certainly say that the effects would be horrific.
    , @Kiza
    From high-school physics, it is easy to recall that no energy conversion is 100% efficient, every conversion ends up wasting a part of energy into thermal (entropy - disambiguation). Therefore, there are losses all the way. But the designers would not only concentrate energy then also optimize the wave production, which is what an earthquake cannot do. Obviously, you do not use any mechanical "structure", a reflector, to focus the mechanical form of energy into a beam, you produce a thermonuclear explosion in a way which already focuses energy:
    1) by using directional fusion and
    2) maybe further augmenting beam creation using powerful electromagnetic fields (similar to the old Cathode Ray Tube TV or particle accelerator).

    I was not aware that a 200 MT fusion device existed, Tsar Bomba of 57 MT having been the largest one ever exploded (and then abandoned because of many reasons): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba.

    Therefore, the tsunami torpedo/bomb of such power is more likely to be a concept rather than reality. But I would not discard the possibility that it could be built. Human ingenuity towards destruction appears limitless.

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  • @Kiza

    Divide 63,000 by 20/360 and you still get 35 100 megaton bombs!
     
    Well, maybe you should refresh your trigonometry rather than particle physics. Why send mechanical energy to the bottom of the ocean or to the sky? Therefore, why are you treating a spatial problem as a one dimensional problem? Assume a nicely focused 10 degree special angle beam in two dimensions. If you project a sphere onto a flat surface, which is a good approximation for small spatial angles, concentrating energy into a narrow beam would require squaring of your ratio. Try a 10 degree angle: 63,000 MT x (10/360)^2=48 MT, whilst they are talking about a 200MT torpedo. Play with this formula to find out that even a 20 degree angle would be good enough for a 200MT device. But if this is a viable doomsday technology why not think of a much narrower beam, maybe 5 degrees or even 1 degree? A 200MT explosion focused into a 1 degree angle becomes equivalent to a 26 Teraton, that is 26,000,000 MT, tsunami generating earthquake.

    Swords into plowshares is definitely the biggest lost opportunity of humankind. The West had a chance to power down after "the evil empire" SU dissolved in 1991, instead it went hyperpower nuts trying to build a totalitarian police, military and media controlled global empire. This shows who was truly evil.

    The only small consolation of the man-made tsunami scenario is that the Hillary’s “progressive” and war hungry supporters would go first, before all the rest of us, as someone above suggested: http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/why-do-progressives-like-war/.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    One thing I have become clearer about in recent years is how badly the US stuffed up relations with Russia from 1990 onwards, comprehensively in so many ways with so much lost opportunity. I am inclined to make an analogy with that country of many smart people,Israel. Why do smart people do or alliw to happen such stupid things (e.g. attacking that Turkish boat off Gaza instead of disabling it and pushing it 100 miles away)? The answer seems to be preoccupation with domestic politics in often demeaningly trivial forms.

    As to your focusing of a nuclear explosion in a "narrow space angle" (? 20 degrees) I am afraid that I see in my mind's eye a bit of handwaving in the absence of a more detailed physics lesson.

    As I noted in another comment the multiple events in a short period off Sumatra in December 2004 still only produced one big tsunami despite its total 63,000 megatons. Divide 63,000 by 20/360 and you still get 35 100 megaton bombs!

    Divide 63,000 by 20/360 and you still get 35 100 megaton bombs!

    Well, maybe you should refresh your trigonometry rather than particle physics. Why send mechanical energy to the bottom of the ocean or to the sky? Therefore, why are you treating a spatial problem as a one dimensional problem? Assume a nicely focused 10 degree special angle beam in two dimensions. If you project a sphere onto a flat surface, which is a good approximation for small spatial angles, concentrating energy into a narrow beam would require squaring of your ratio. Try a 10 degree angle: 63,000 MT x (10/360)^2=48 MT, whilst they are talking about a 200MT torpedo. Play with this formula to find out that even a 20 degree angle would be good enough for a 200MT device. But if this is a viable doomsday technology why not think of a much narrower beam, maybe 5 degrees or even 1 degree? A 200MT explosion focused into a 1 degree angle becomes equivalent to a 26 Teraton, that is 26,000,000 MT, tsunami generating earthquake.

    Swords into plowshares is definitely the biggest lost opportunity of humankind. The West had a chance to power down after “the evil empire” SU dissolved in 1991, instead it went hyperpower nuts trying to build a totalitarian police, military and media controlled global empire. This shows who was truly evil.

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    • Replies: @Kiza
    The only small consolation of the man-made tsunami scenario is that the Hillary's "progressive" and war hungry supporters would go first, before all the rest of us, as someone above suggested: http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/why-do-progressives-like-war/.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    I think you are probably right to emphasise the extra dimension but it doesn't answer fmdoubts about the ability to focus all the energy from a nuclear device. A natural analogy is a volcano erupting and blowing millions of tons of rock and pollutants into the atmosphere. I haven't tried to calculate the megaton equivalent but note that a pretty solid heavy structure is needed to focus the explosion.
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  • @OutWest
    Why can’t we just get along? Actually, it’s a good question. Much of the historic warfare, particularly European warfare, has been to obtain/defend empires-spheres of influence, as was Japan’s go-it-alone attempt to establish an empire. But empires are now passé’. The Soviet Union would likely still exist if it hadn’t incorporated so many nationalistic satellites. Regional nationalism has made empire a tough go. Economically, it’s cheaper to buy a region’s goods than to own the cow.

    Germany needed living space. But now a truncated Germany is the most powerful economy in Europe. Until recently Germany was greatly advantaged by its lack of immigration from a past empire. For reasons unknown, German leadership decided to adopt a colonial obligation (as opposed to earlier immigration to replace the male population lost in empire building.
    Yet leadership throughout the world is stuck in the early nineteenth century.

    Why can’t we just get along? Simple. There’s not enough money to be made by getting along.

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    I would think power rather than money –though the two are largely fungible. My thought in reducing war to simplistic considerations was to smoke out some of the sub rosa drivers. It was Goering that said it was a simple matter for a leader to whip the populace into war frenzy. FDR certainly toasted Lindberg though Lindberg probably represented the greater portion of the populace. From my viewpoint the post 9/11 wars have had nothing but negative results. Yet we continue to pursue more of the same to “fix” the situation. It’s all facile superstructure and no substance. But we can’t see it.
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  • @bluedog
    Perhaps we should do it as they do in Russia where the military tells them what they want and then they produce it, rather than some corporation dreaming up something and then selling it to the military at inflated prices while they bribe the congress..

    So you would have the manufacturers bribe the military directly as a first step? I am accepting your gloomier premises I think.

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  • @Kiza

    So, the US tends to produce weapons that are billed as doing anything and everything to suck in giant stacks of taxpayer dollars, but really don’t do any of that stuff very well.
     
    A perfect summary of the F35 program.

    One company (which previously gobbled up many smaller military industrial companies) wanted to replace all competitors' products with one hairbrained concept and failed miserably. A trillion dollars later still nobody is responsible. Then, yes, they need more money to this time develop something that really, really will work. Scout's honor!

    Perhaps we should do it as they do in Russia where the military tells them what they want and then they produce it, rather than some corporation dreaming up something and then selling it to the military at inflated prices while they bribe the congress..

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    So you would have the manufacturers bribe the military directly as a first step? I am accepting your gloomier premises I think.
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  • @Kiza
    You got carried away, as usual. This physics is much, much simpler than nuclear physics and colliders. But it appears you did recognise that tsunami weapon is about a nuclear explosion focused in a narrow space angle, which makes it thousands of times stronger than a standard nuclear explosion.

    Even the tsunami weapon is a bit irrelevant when all nuclear powers could destroy, irradiate and kill the food supply of each other. We humans just keep adding more ways to destroy each other thousands of times over, instead of cooperating to make out lives better. Even if one could accept the story of Western defense against expansionist Soviet Union, once SU collapsed the West kept expanding whilst inventing the lie of the eon that Russia was expansionist.

    One thing I have become clearer about in recent years is how badly the US stuffed up relations with Russia from 1990 onwards, comprehensively in so many ways with so much lost opportunity. I am inclined to make an analogy with that country of many smart people,Israel. Why do smart people do or alliw to happen such stupid things (e.g. attacking that Turkish boat off Gaza instead of disabling it and pushing it 100 miles away)? The answer seems to be preoccupation with domestic politics in often demeaningly trivial forms.

    As to your focusing of a nuclear explosion in a “narrow space angle” (? 20 degrees) I am afraid that I see in my mind’s eye a bit of handwaving in the absence of a more detailed physics lesson.

    As I noted in another comment the multiple events in a short period off Sumatra in December 2004 still only produced one big tsunami despite its total 63,000 megatons. Divide 63,000 by 20/360 and you still get 35 100 megaton bombs!

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    Divide 63,000 by 20/360 and you still get 35 100 megaton bombs!
     
    Well, maybe you should refresh your trigonometry rather than particle physics. Why send mechanical energy to the bottom of the ocean or to the sky? Therefore, why are you treating a spatial problem as a one dimensional problem? Assume a nicely focused 10 degree special angle beam in two dimensions. If you project a sphere onto a flat surface, which is a good approximation for small spatial angles, concentrating energy into a narrow beam would require squaring of your ratio. Try a 10 degree angle: 63,000 MT x (10/360)^2=48 MT, whilst they are talking about a 200MT torpedo. Play with this formula to find out that even a 20 degree angle would be good enough for a 200MT device. But if this is a viable doomsday technology why not think of a much narrower beam, maybe 5 degrees or even 1 degree? A 200MT explosion focused into a 1 degree angle becomes equivalent to a 26 Teraton, that is 26,000,000 MT, tsunami generating earthquake.

    Swords into plowshares is definitely the biggest lost opportunity of humankind. The West had a chance to power down after "the evil empire" SU dissolved in 1991, instead it went hyperpower nuts trying to build a totalitarian police, military and media controlled global empire. This shows who was truly evil.

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  • @Bill Jones
    There was no epicenter or hypocenter, the slippage occurred over a thousand mile or so line of rupture. It also occurred over several minutes rather than a thousandth of a second.
    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake


    I too doubt the efficacy of such a weapon but the intent is to be applauded: it should be thought of as the Revenge of the Deplorables, scouring America clean of the coastal elites.

    Hey, over to you when you’ve read your linked piece properly. Just a glance at it and I find that it gives single locations for the epicentre and hypocentre!!

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  • @Benedict
    The problem with US defense spending is that huge amounts of money have been stolen by traitors. No, I don't think they work for the Russians. But, I do consider it treason when people and companies put their own bank accounts and personal wealth ahead of what's needed to defend the nation.

    Russia and China seem to have weapons systems designed and produced by people who are focused on making a good weapon the nation needs. The US has weapons designed and produced by people who want to maximize the amount of money that their bribery (often legal in the US) and lobbying have won in contracts for the company. So, the US tends to produce weapons that are billed as doing anything and everything to suck in giant stacks of taxpayer dollars, but really don't do any of that stuff very well.

    As such, while the US has wasted trillions on weapons that don't really work, Russia and China have spend much less and seem to have more effective weapons. And of course, the American taxpayer is then told that we have to fork over trillions more dollars to the same traitors and crooks because, OMG, look at the Russians and the Chinese. Great deal for the crooks, but a very bad deal for the nation. Especially when combined with warlike and aggressive leaders from both parties who believe the propaganda that says we are so powerful because we spend so much money, and these leaders then go and start wars. So far, they only have tried to fight small states (and lost). But it seems like many now want to fight the Russians and the Chinese who don't seem to be beset by traitors who steal the lessor sums of money assigned to defending their nations.

    So, the US tends to produce weapons that are billed as doing anything and everything to suck in giant stacks of taxpayer dollars, but really don’t do any of that stuff very well.

    A perfect summary of the F35 program.

    One company (which previously gobbled up many smaller military industrial companies) wanted to replace all competitors’ products with one hairbrained concept and failed miserably. A trillion dollars later still nobody is responsible. Then, yes, they need more money to this time develop something that really, really will work. Scout’s honor!

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    Perhaps we should do it as they do in Russia where the military tells them what they want and then they produce it, rather than some corporation dreaming up something and then selling it to the military at inflated prices while they bribe the congress..
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  • @Bill Jones
    There was no epicenter or hypocenter, the slippage occurred over a thousand mile or so line of rupture. It also occurred over several minutes rather than a thousandth of a second.
    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake


    I too doubt the efficacy of such a weapon but the intent is to be applauded: it should be thought of as the Revenge of the Deplorables, scouring America clean of the coastal elites.

    Also…. there were not the multiple tsunamis that your point seems to entail. There seems to have been only a single major one that, admittedly, did things that Grade 5 science wouldn’t make you anticipate. E.g. unlike a surface wind generated wave it went round Sri Lanka’s SW corner and derailed a train almost a mile inland some 50 miles north. One of the staff at the beach house I stay at observed the sea appearing to withdraw from the shoreline while he was sweeping the verandah early in the morning. He didn’t know what it was about but woke the house guests and shepherded them up a 50 foot rise just behind the house where they were safe when the big wave came roaring in and swept through the house – so quickly both ways in fact that the library books were not soaked but dried out and showed little sign of water damage.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    My physics studies didn't include lasers (or the Standard Model or a lot of other now old stuff) so maybe I misunderstand what you are trying to describe. The only way that your description of a mobile phone transmussion tower could work is if it used laser beams which, in successive pulses, changed direction every namosecond or so to simulate continuous 360 degree coverage. That is not my understanding of the mode of operation, but even if it were, I should be interested to know how it could apply anàlogously to multiply the pressure wave from an underwater explosion by a factor of thousands in just, say, 45 degrees of the explosions 360. After all the Large Hadron Collider which is a truly massive permanent structure of no possible use for the kind of warfare under discussion only sends streams of protons at targets which amount to an infinitesimal fraction of the mass and energy levels that the 500 metre high tsunami requires.

    You got carried away, as usual. This physics is much, much simpler than nuclear physics and colliders. But it appears you did recognise that tsunami weapon is about a nuclear explosion focused in a narrow space angle, which makes it thousands of times stronger than a standard nuclear explosion.

    Even the tsunami weapon is a bit irrelevant when all nuclear powers could destroy, irradiate and kill the food supply of each other. We humans just keep adding more ways to destroy each other thousands of times over, instead of cooperating to make out lives better. Even if one could accept the story of Western defense against expansionist Soviet Union, once SU collapsed the West kept expanding whilst inventing the lie of the eon that Russia was expansionist.

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    One thing I have become clearer about in recent years is how badly the US stuffed up relations with Russia from 1990 onwards, comprehensively in so many ways with so much lost opportunity. I am inclined to make an analogy with that country of many smart people,Israel. Why do smart people do or alliw to happen such stupid things (e.g. attacking that Turkish boat off Gaza instead of disabling it and pushing it 100 miles away)? The answer seems to be preoccupation with domestic politics in often demeaningly trivial forms.

    As to your focusing of a nuclear explosion in a "narrow space angle" (? 20 degrees) I am afraid that I see in my mind's eye a bit of handwaving in the absence of a more detailed physics lesson.

    As I noted in another comment the multiple events in a short period off Sumatra in December 2004 still only produced one big tsunami despite its total 63,000 megatons. Divide 63,000 by 20/360 and you still get 35 100 megaton bombs!
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  • @annamaria
    "Russia in Cold War 2 can only have a highly pronounced feeling of inadequacy and unmatch. Adding on top constant Western trickery and breaking of all signed and unsigned agreements, plus this constantly expressed Judeo-Western desire to literally rule the World, then we get Russia which would, quite understandably, have a twitchy finger on the trigger."
    Agree.
    More on the same topic: "..there is no way to rein in these lunatics." http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46547.htm
    "Russia is not going to invade Europe, and Washington knows it perfectly well ... The danger with letting pasty neocons in New York play with military forces is that brinksmanship, fun for fern-bar Napoleons, can have not-fun consequences. If Washington puts naval forces in Russian waters in the Black Sea, the Russians will feel compelled to shadow the ships, to keep fighters flying overhead. A mistake occurs–mistakes do occur–and one side downs a plane belonging to the other. The wounded side feels obliged to respond. We have a shooting war. In closed waters bordering Russia, the US Navy would not win. Washington would then feel that it had to defend its ego by expanding the war. Wounded ego is important to the vast combative vanities who so often rise to power.
    And there is no way to rein in these lunatics. They send the military where they like, attack whoever they choose, and we read about it after it has been done. One could almost wish we had constitutional government."

    And there is no way to rein in these lunatics.

    This is alpha and omega of the current situation, it sums it all up.

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  • The cock sucking has begun! I wonder if it ever really stopped. It’s hard to believe that Americans can be soooo stuuuuupid.

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  • @Bill Jones
    There was no epicenter or hypocenter, the slippage occurred over a thousand mile or so line of rupture. It also occurred over several minutes rather than a thousandth of a second.
    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake


    I too doubt the efficacy of such a weapon but the intent is to be applauded: it should be thought of as the Revenge of the Deplorables, scouring America clean of the coastal elites.

    I haven’t had time yo look at the link but you make a good point. But how much difference does it make to have just one big explosion rather than hundreds quickly cumulating to thousands of times the energy level?

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  • @Kiza
    Wiz, do you know the basic principle of how any radio antenna works, for example the one in your mobile/cellular phone and the one in the base station it communicates to? Instead of picking up power or sending out its power into a 360 degree spatial angle, all antennas/antennae focus power to/from a narrow spacial angle, down to 1% or even .001% of the total space.

    Now imagine a nuclear weapon which has such power transmitting antenna on it. Do you get why comparing a natural, unfocused event such is an earthquake and specifically designed weapon makes no sense?

    I am not saying that the tsunami weapon already exist in Russia, but I do believe that the Western stupidity can be measured in Megatons and it is the key Russian doomsday weapon. The West really, really needs to shake off this unhealthy AngloZionist idea that it can globalise and then rule the World.

    My physics studies didn’t include lasers (or the Standard Model or a lot of other now old stuff) so maybe I misunderstand what you are trying to describe. The only way that your description of a mobile phone transmussion tower could work is if it used laser beams which, in successive pulses, changed direction every namosecond or so to simulate continuous 360 degree coverage. That is not my understanding of the mode of operation, but even if it were, I should be interested to know how it could apply anàlogously to multiply the pressure wave from an underwater explosion by a factor of thousands in just, say, 45 degrees of the explosions 360. After all the Large Hadron Collider which is a truly massive permanent structure of no possible use for the kind of warfare under discussion only sends streams of protons at targets which amount to an infinitesimal fraction of the mass and energy levels that the 500 metre high tsunami requires.

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    You got carried away, as usual. This physics is much, much simpler than nuclear physics and colliders. But it appears you did recognise that tsunami weapon is about a nuclear explosion focused in a narrow space angle, which makes it thousands of times stronger than a standard nuclear explosion.

    Even the tsunami weapon is a bit irrelevant when all nuclear powers could destroy, irradiate and kill the food supply of each other. We humans just keep adding more ways to destroy each other thousands of times over, instead of cooperating to make out lives better. Even if one could accept the story of Western defense against expansionist Soviet Union, once SU collapsed the West kept expanding whilst inventing the lie of the eon that Russia was expansionist.
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  • @Kiza
    The extraordinary point of this great essay is the comparison between Cold War 1 and the Cold War 2, that is the big difference between the two that it emphasises. Whilst during CW1 the Soviet Union had a perception of almost matching the Western military might, Russia in CW2 can only have a highly pronounced feeling of inadequacy and unmatch. Adding on top constant Western trickery and breaking of all signed and unsigned agreements, plus this constantly expressed Judeo-Western desire to literally rule the World, then we get Russia which would, quite understandably, have a twitchy finger on the trigger. A study case example of how in CW2 things could easily escape the comfortable spending confines of CW1 and spin completely out of anyone's control.

    “Russia in Cold War 2 can only have a highly pronounced feeling of inadequacy and unmatch. Adding on top constant Western trickery and breaking of all signed and unsigned agreements, plus this constantly expressed Judeo-Western desire to literally rule the World, then we get Russia which would, quite understandably, have a twitchy finger on the trigger.”
    Agree.
    More on the same topic: “..there is no way to rein in these lunatics.” http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46547.htm
    “Russia is not going to invade Europe, and Washington knows it perfectly well … The danger with letting pasty neocons in New York play with military forces is that brinksmanship, fun for fern-bar Napoleons, can have not-fun consequences. If Washington puts naval forces in Russian waters in the Black Sea, the Russians will feel compelled to shadow the ships, to keep fighters flying overhead. A mistake occurs–mistakes do occur–and one side downs a plane belonging to the other. The wounded side feels obliged to respond. We have a shooting war. In closed waters bordering Russia, the US Navy would not win. Washington would then feel that it had to defend its ego by expanding the war. Wounded ego is important to the vast combative vanities who so often rise to power.
    And there is no way to rein in these lunatics. They send the military where they like, attack whoever they choose, and we read about it after it has been done. One could almost wish we had constitutional government.”

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    And there is no way to rein in these lunatics.
     
    This is alpha and omega of the current situation, it sums it all up.
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  • The problem with US defense spending is that huge amounts of money have been stolen by traitors. No, I don’t think they work for the Russians. But, I do consider it treason when people and companies put their own bank accounts and personal wealth ahead of what’s needed to defend the nation.

    Russia and China seem to have weapons systems designed and produced by people who are focused on making a good weapon the nation needs. The US has weapons designed and produced by people who want to maximize the amount of money that their bribery (often legal in the US) and lobbying have won in contracts for the company. So, the US tends to produce weapons that are billed as doing anything and everything to suck in giant stacks of taxpayer dollars, but really don’t do any of that stuff very well.

    As such, while the US has wasted trillions on weapons that don’t really work, Russia and China have spend much less and seem to have more effective weapons. And of course, the American taxpayer is then told that we have to fork over trillions more dollars to the same traitors and crooks because, OMG, look at the Russians and the Chinese. Great deal for the crooks, but a very bad deal for the nation. Especially when combined with warlike and aggressive leaders from both parties who believe the propaganda that says we are so powerful because we spend so much money, and these leaders then go and start wars. So far, they only have tried to fight small states (and lost). But it seems like many now want to fight the Russians and the Chinese who don’t seem to be beset by traitors who steal the lessor sums of money assigned to defending their nations.

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    So, the US tends to produce weapons that are billed as doing anything and everything to suck in giant stacks of taxpayer dollars, but really don’t do any of that stuff very well.
     
    A perfect summary of the F35 program.

    One company (which previously gobbled up many smaller military industrial companies) wanted to replace all competitors' products with one hairbrained concept and failed miserably. A trillion dollars later still nobody is responsible. Then, yes, they need more money to this time develop something that really, really will work. Scout's honor!

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  • Reagan always had a loose relationship with the truth. So, nowadays a large block of people consider him one of America’s greatest Presidents, and they want to put him on the money. :)

    But that’s a very curious graph. According to that graph, US defense spending reached a peak when the Vietnam War began, then did a long decline during all the escalations and ramping up of the force deployed there, and only began to increase after the Vietnam War ended. According to that chart, by late in the war, the US defense spending was only about half of what it was when the US had only ‘advisers’ in Vietnam.

    If that’s really true, I’d love to learn more. Because its just the opposite of what I’d have expected. Then again, Reagan being the opposite of the truth sounds pretty much right to me.

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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    The article could have usefully explored the economic aspects, because in some ways the US is the mirror image of the Soviet Union in the 1980′s.
     
    No, it is not. Not even close--all this "mirror image" meme and drawing parallels with Soviet Union are a complete baloney. For starters, United States in general has no idea what WW II on European Theater was, and, unlike USSR which was practically destroyed in that war, US came out with her pockets packed with cash. The only remote parallel which could be drawn here is the fact that both USSR and current USA were (are) multicultural, multi-ethnic entities. USSR disintegrated since multi-ethnic-cultural empires do not last--the process we all observe today in the US.

    Russian and US approaches to weapons' design and to the operational concepts which follow are very different and so are the economic realities.


    And it’s interesting that the Soviet Union eventually fell apart when it was faced with the impossible economic cost of rearmament in response to Reagan’s Star War project.
     
    A complete baloney since in space and space weapons USSR and US were clear peers. 1980s political dynamics in the Soviet Union was not what was conventionally thought in the US, huge echoes of that could still be heard today in how modern Russia behaves herself, as well as in a complete incompetence of the so called US "Russian" expertdom, which time after time failed to either predict or explain anything related to Russia. The main burden on USSR economically was not some abstract "Star Wars" but maintenance of a colossal ground army.

    “The main burden on USSR economically was not some abstract “Star Wars” but maintenance of a colossal ground army.”

    Agree completely. And the reason of USSR maintaining such a colossal army was… WW2 and psychological impact from it. Also, Soviet leadership badly overestimated USA and her conventional capabilities. We clearly did no need such a huge military in peace time.
    “Обжегшись на молоке, будешь дуть и на воду.” so to speak.

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  • We shouldn’t take Russia’s nukes and count them as the only competitor. There’s also China. We’re often told that China only has a few hundred nukes. How do they know this? They have re-loadable launchers in tunnels. Why would they build re-loadable launchers for only a few hundred nukes? My guess is they have many, many more nukes than we’re publicly told.

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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Kiza
    I do agree with you that the strategic game differs fundamentally between CW1 and CW2. To simplify what you were saying in the military jargon - humanity overall (not only Russia) has reached the level of controlling the release of energy which enables destruction of an opponent without bankrupting the contry. Therefore, those in the West (such as the Anonimous above) who dream that CW2 will end up the same way as CW1 are completely deluded. We are not only talking about the Russian MIC now being about 10x more efficient than the Western MIC, that is the same old Western MIC wrapped around Congressional election districts. You, Smoothie, are talking about a different strategic approach of Russia. Whilst the West is still fighting the CW1 way, Russia is responding the CW2 way. In addition, SU may have had global ambitions, just like the CW1 winning US Empire has now, but the current Russian ambitions are much, much smaller - defense of the motherland and help to a few highly select friends. Long time ago, I compared Russia and its strategic partner China to two back-to-back soldiers with guns defensively pointed Westwards and Eastwards. Therefore, Russia is focusing its military spending, whilst the US is maintaining its (presumed) global empire. The completely different strategic goals are the reason why the direct comparison of the military budgets does not work as a measure of the potential for the achievement of goals.

    In summary, I am not worried about Russia being bankrupted by CW2, such fate is much more likely to befall the West this time because it is still spending the same way as in CW1. But I am worried about the law of unintended consequences, that is CW2 in which one side is convinced of its omnipotence and overwhelming power. For them, Russia is just like a timber log standing in the way of the global dominance. With US buildup on the Russian Western border, two militaries facing each other in a relatively narrow space, the potential for error (of judgement) is huge.

    In other words, the end of the world is more likely than the intended Russian bankruptcy.

    For them, Russia is just like a timber log standing in the way of the global dominance. With US buildup on the Russian Western border, two militaries facing each other in a relatively narrow space, the potential for error (of judgement) is huge.

    There is always a danger. The same goes for Syria, albeit couple days ago US top command in the area called for closer interaction with Russian forces to prevent any undesirable consequences. The technological paradigm is changing rapidly and US military will be making case, yet again, strictly on the base of Russia’s (and China’s) capability, not intentions. Some Russia’s capabilities, however, will be very difficult for US to counter. Plus, we may all see more of F-35 and LCS type weapon systems, which can hardly be called effective in any meaningful sense. It will be very difficult for US to match both militarily and economically. Now proliferation of Russia’s technologies of almost current generation (such as S-400 and SU-35) started into China, including a delivery of some anti-shipping missiles of Russia’s, not export, variety–those will have a major impact on the military-political situation around China. Andrei Kokoshin yesterday was explicit when pointing out that in the end the main target for US is China–I doubt US can handle China, with China’s northern rear being supported by Russia. In Europe Russia can face NATO in her Western vicinity, no matter what US does.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Interesting link but would you care to spell out the physics of the 1700 foot high tsunami which otherwise is mere speculation by someone with no stated scientific qualifications.

    Here is my starting point for an argument that it is total rubbish

    By Googling for the Richter scale equivalent of kilo or mega tons of TNT I came across 63,000 megatons for the Sumatran 9.2/9.3 earthquake/tsunami of 26 December 2004 which I remember well because it swept through a beach house I often rent in August. Tsunamis are pressure waves (nothing like wind driven surface waves) which create havoc by rising where they strike coastal resistance. Even in Sumatra where over 200,000 people died close to the epicentre and hypocentre nothing remotely like a 500 metre or 1700 foot high tsunami was generated. And that, remember, was from an explosive force over 6000 times as powerful as the 100 megaton nuclear weapon.

    There was no epicenter or hypocenter, the slippage occurred over a thousand mile or so line of rupture. It also occurred over several minutes rather than a thousandth of a second.

    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake

    I too doubt the efficacy of such a weapon but the intent is to be applauded: it should be thought of as the Revenge of the Deplorables, scouring America clean of the coastal elites.

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    I haven't had time yo look at the link but you make a good point. But how much difference does it make to have just one big explosion rather than hundreds quickly cumulating to thousands of times the energy level?
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Also.... there were not the multiple tsunamis that your point seems to entail. There seems to have been only a single major one that, admittedly, did things that Grade 5 science wouldn't make you anticipate. E.g. unlike a surface wind generated wave it went round Sri Lanka's SW corner and derailed a train almost a mile inland some 50 miles north. One of the staff at the beach house I stay at observed the sea appearing to withdraw from the shoreline while he was sweeping the verandah early in the morning. He didn't know what it was about but woke the house guests and shepherded them up a 50 foot rise just behind the house where they were safe when the big wave came roaring in and swept through the house - so quickly both ways in fact that the library books were not soaked but dried out and showed little sign of water damage.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Hey, over to you when you've read your linked piece properly. Just a glance at it and I find that it gives single locations for the epicentre and hypocentre!!
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  • Why can’t we just get along? Actually, it’s a good question. Much of the historic warfare, particularly European warfare, has been to obtain/defend empires-spheres of influence, as was Japan’s go-it-alone attempt to establish an empire. But empires are now passé’. The Soviet Union would likely still exist if it hadn’t incorporated so many nationalistic satellites. Regional nationalism has made empire a tough go. Economically, it’s cheaper to buy a region’s goods than to own the cow.

    Germany needed living space. But now a truncated Germany is the most powerful economy in Europe. Until recently Germany was greatly advantaged by its lack of immigration from a past empire. For reasons unknown, German leadership decided to adopt a colonial obligation (as opposed to earlier immigration to replace the male population lost in empire building.
    Yet leadership throughout the world is stuck in the early nineteenth century.

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    Why can't we just get along? Simple. There's not enough money to be made by getting along.
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  • @Randal

    I think it’s a brilliant strategy. Let’s challenge Russia to an arms race. It worked so great for them in the 80′s.
     
    The difference is that in the 1980s the Soviet Union was an over-extended empire relying on a discredited universalist ideology to justify its rule and keep its people quiet, whereas today it's the US that is in that position. Then you can add the fact that the US's real near peer rival in the long run is not even Russia anyway, but China. The more effort the US regime puts into trying to subdue Russia and failing, the stronger its real rival becomes, and the more firmly Russia is reminded that its existence depends upon an alliance with China.

    US post-Cold War policy towards Russia has to be a candidate for one of the most egregious grand strategic errors in world history, and it looks as though Trump's efforts to change it will probably be unable to overcome the forces pushing it.

    The US is such a disjointed empire that it could not even play the ancient Divide and Conquer towards Russia and China. At least the Jewish Hitler Kissinger proposed this, but it appears that the Team Trump plan failed. The domestic military spending cake was too attractive and the piggybacking on the well established anti-Soviet propaganda was too convenient to resist the sensible approach of not turning Russia into an enemy before finishing the more urgent job of containing China.

    Too greedy and too lazy, how could it win? Can the US Empire do anything right?

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  • My question: let’s say we nuke it out with Russia and/or China. And let’s say we win, whatever that could mean. What the hell then are we going to do with Russia and China? Occupy them? I mean, where is this going, ultimately? Oh…and one other thing before we start. Can someone tell me why Russia is my enemy? Or should I just go drink some beer and forget about it?

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    The idea is not to occupy but to put into place a compliant elite and then leave.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Interesting link but would you care to spell out the physics of the 1700 foot high tsunami which otherwise is mere speculation by someone with no stated scientific qualifications.

    Here is my starting point for an argument that it is total rubbish

    By Googling for the Richter scale equivalent of kilo or mega tons of TNT I came across 63,000 megatons for the Sumatran 9.2/9.3 earthquake/tsunami of 26 December 2004 which I remember well because it swept through a beach house I often rent in August. Tsunamis are pressure waves (nothing like wind driven surface waves) which create havoc by rising where they strike coastal resistance. Even in Sumatra where over 200,000 people died close to the epicentre and hypocentre nothing remotely like a 500 metre or 1700 foot high tsunami was generated. And that, remember, was from an explosive force over 6000 times as powerful as the 100 megaton nuclear weapon.

    Wiz, do you know the basic principle of how any radio antenna works, for example the one in your mobile/cellular phone and the one in the base station it communicates to? Instead of picking up power or sending out its power into a 360 degree spatial angle, all antennas/antennae focus power to/from a narrow spacial angle, down to 1% or even .001% of the total space.

    Now imagine a nuclear weapon which has such power transmitting antenna on it. Do you get why comparing a natural, unfocused event such is an earthquake and specifically designed weapon makes no sense?

    I am not saying that the tsunami weapon already exist in Russia, but I do believe that the Western stupidity can be measured in Megatons and it is the key Russian doomsday weapon. The West really, really needs to shake off this unhealthy AngloZionist idea that it can globalise and then rule the World.

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    My physics studies didn't include lasers (or the Standard Model or a lot of other now old stuff) so maybe I misunderstand what you are trying to describe. The only way that your description of a mobile phone transmussion tower could work is if it used laser beams which, in successive pulses, changed direction every namosecond or so to simulate continuous 360 degree coverage. That is not my understanding of the mode of operation, but even if it were, I should be interested to know how it could apply anàlogously to multiply the pressure wave from an underwater explosion by a factor of thousands in just, say, 45 degrees of the explosions 360. After all the Large Hadron Collider which is a truly massive permanent structure of no possible use for the kind of warfare under discussion only sends streams of protons at targets which amount to an infinitesimal fraction of the mass and energy levels that the 500 metre high tsunami requires.
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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    What would you do?
     
    Study Russia's military doctrine, for starters. Not for once stated by Putin, Rogozin, Shoigu and the whole bunch of experts--there will be no nuclear "arms race". In strategic containment the emphasis is on the conventional stand-off weapons. Yesterday on Solovyov's Sunday Evening none other than Andrei Kokoshin confirmed, yet again, this point. Issues of a technology match or, depending on the "observer", mismatch are a sort of voodoo in US where certain mantras have to repeated constantly. But even very general and imprecise calculations of the "weight" of Russia's "response-head-on" (otvetno-vstrechnyi) strike today gives some idea why there will be no "nuclear arms race". A simple projection to 2021-2025 basically explains why Russia is content with her new and perspective nuclear deterrent. FYI, Sarmat is capable of carrying hypersonic non-nuclear gliders. In general, using CW1 as a reference point or as the foundation for projection in current situation is not prudent--times changed, dramatically.

    I do agree with you that the strategic game differs fundamentally between CW1 and CW2. To simplify what you were saying in the military jargon – humanity overall (not only Russia) has reached the level of controlling the release of energy which enables destruction of an opponent without bankrupting the contry. Therefore, those in the West (such as the Anonimous above) who dream that CW2 will end up the same way as CW1 are completely deluded. We are not only talking about the Russian MIC now being about 10x more efficient than the Western MIC, that is the same old Western MIC wrapped around Congressional election districts. You, Smoothie, are talking about a different strategic approach of Russia. Whilst the West is still fighting the CW1 way, Russia is responding the CW2 way. In addition, SU may have had global ambitions, just like the CW1 winning US Empire has now, but the current Russian ambitions are much, much smaller – defense of the motherland and help to a few highly select friends. Long time ago, I compared Russia and its strategic partner China to two back-to-back soldiers with guns defensively pointed Westwards and Eastwards. Therefore, Russia is focusing its military spending, whilst the US is maintaining its (presumed) global empire. The completely different strategic goals are the reason why the direct comparison of the military budgets does not work as a measure of the potential for the achievement of goals.

    In summary, I am not worried about Russia being bankrupted by CW2, such fate is much more likely to befall the West this time because it is still spending the same way as in CW1. But I am worried about the law of unintended consequences, that is CW2 in which one side is convinced of its omnipotence and overwhelming power. For them, Russia is just like a timber log standing in the way of the global dominance. With US buildup on the Russian Western border, two militaries facing each other in a relatively narrow space, the potential for error (of judgement) is huge.

    In other words, the end of the world is more likely than the intended Russian bankruptcy.

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    For them, Russia is just like a timber log standing in the way of the global dominance. With US buildup on the Russian Western border, two militaries facing each other in a relatively narrow space, the potential for error (of judgement) is huge.
     
    There is always a danger. The same goes for Syria, albeit couple days ago US top command in the area called for closer interaction with Russian forces to prevent any undesirable consequences. The technological paradigm is changing rapidly and US military will be making case, yet again, strictly on the base of Russia's (and China's) capability, not intentions. Some Russia's capabilities, however, will be very difficult for US to counter. Plus, we may all see more of F-35 and LCS type weapon systems, which can hardly be called effective in any meaningful sense. It will be very difficult for US to match both militarily and economically. Now proliferation of Russia's technologies of almost current generation (such as S-400 and SU-35) started into China, including a delivery of some anti-shipping missiles of Russia's, not export, variety--those will have a major impact on the military-political situation around China. Andrei Kokoshin yesterday was explicit when pointing out that in the end the main target for US is China--I doubt US can handle China, with China's northern rear being supported by Russia. In Europe Russia can face NATO in her Western vicinity, no matter what US does.
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  • Very good piece that asserts simple truths in response to all the over-hyped propaganda nonsense that dominates the debates on the issue in the US sphere.

    Like Miro23 I think it should be distributed to every American home with an obligation to read and discuss it. But it won’t, because the money and power required to push an argument in that way is all on the other side of the issue.

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  • @Krzys
    I think it's a brilliant strategy. Let's challenge Russia to an arms race. It worked so great for them in the 80's.

    I think it’s a brilliant strategy. Let’s challenge Russia to an arms race. It worked so great for them in the 80′s.

    The difference is that in the 1980s the Soviet Union was an over-extended empire relying on a discredited universalist ideology to justify its rule and keep its people quiet, whereas today it’s the US that is in that position. Then you can add the fact that the US’s real near peer rival in the long run is not even Russia anyway, but China. The more effort the US regime puts into trying to subdue Russia and failing, the stronger its real rival becomes, and the more firmly Russia is reminded that its existence depends upon an alliance with China.

    US post-Cold War policy towards Russia has to be a candidate for one of the most egregious grand strategic errors in world history, and it looks as though Trump’s efforts to change it will probably be unable to overcome the forces pushing it.

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    The US is such a disjointed empire that it could not even play the ancient Divide and Conquer towards Russia and China. At least the Jewish Hitler Kissinger proposed this, but it appears that the Team Trump plan failed. The domestic military spending cake was too attractive and the piggybacking on the well established anti-Soviet propaganda was too convenient to resist the sensible approach of not turning Russia into an enemy before finishing the more urgent job of containing China.

    Too greedy and too lazy, how could it win? Can the US Empire do anything right?

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  • @Pandos
    Insane

    You got it and welcome to my world where I read view and research the whole world. Please file and share this if you will. Empires have thousands if not hundred of thousands of layers. Thanks for your time and comment Pandos.

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  • @attonn
    Russians are probably working day and night on Status-6 underwater drone with 100-megaton nuclear warhead (my guess is that their withdrawal from the plutonium accord is directly connected to this work). Just couple of these (each capable of producing 1700 feet high tsunami traveling 900 miles inland) would wipe out the UK and Northern Europe, and another 4-5 would completely obliterate the USA.
    Once Moscow fully deploys these things, it's game over for the West. Since Russia is a continental power largely immune to the symmetrical threat, this will bring NATO to its knees.

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2016/12/did-russia-test-doomsday-weapon-arctic-waters

    wow, for the survivors, that is actually more preferable than dying to nuclear fallout and doesn’t fuck up habitable land, as much.

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  • Spread the nukes around. Target Israel and Saudi.

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  • @Agent76
    Mar 2, 2015 Relooking Europe: The Role of Land Forces

    Please join us for a discussion with COL Foster about the future of land forces in Europe and the role of the 173rd Airborne Brigade going forward. The discussion will cover a range of issues and current events facing USAREUR, the 173rd Airborne Brigade's mission as part of OPERATION ATLANTIC RESOLVE, joint exercises with European allies, and the brigade's upcoming training mission in Ukraine.

    https://youtu.be/3s7Dpm5RyJo

    Insane

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    You got it and welcome to my world where I read view and research the whole world. Please file and share this if you will. Empires have thousands if not hundred of thousands of layers. Thanks for your time and comment Pandos.
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  • @attonn
    Russians are probably working day and night on Status-6 underwater drone with 100-megaton nuclear warhead (my guess is that their withdrawal from the plutonium accord is directly connected to this work). Just couple of these (each capable of producing 1700 feet high tsunami traveling 900 miles inland) would wipe out the UK and Northern Europe, and another 4-5 would completely obliterate the USA.
    Once Moscow fully deploys these things, it's game over for the West. Since Russia is a continental power largely immune to the symmetrical threat, this will bring NATO to its knees.

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2016/12/did-russia-test-doomsday-weapon-arctic-waters

    Interesting link but would you care to spell out the physics of the 1700 foot high tsunami which otherwise is mere speculation by someone with no stated scientific qualifications.

    Here is my starting point for an argument that it is total rubbish

    By Googling for the Richter scale equivalent of kilo or mega tons of TNT I came across 63,000 megatons for the Sumatran 9.2/9.3 earthquake/tsunami of 26 December 2004 which I remember well because it swept through a beach house I often rent in August. Tsunamis are pressure waves (nothing like wind driven surface waves) which create havoc by rising where they strike coastal resistance. Even in Sumatra where over 200,000 people died close to the epicentre and hypocentre nothing remotely like a 500 metre or 1700 foot high tsunami was generated. And that, remember, was from an explosive force over 6000 times as powerful as the 100 megaton nuclear weapon.

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    Wiz, do you know the basic principle of how any radio antenna works, for example the one in your mobile/cellular phone and the one in the base station it communicates to? Instead of picking up power or sending out its power into a 360 degree spatial angle, all antennas/antennae focus power to/from a narrow spacial angle, down to 1% or even .001% of the total space.

    Now imagine a nuclear weapon which has such power transmitting antenna on it. Do you get why comparing a natural, unfocused event such is an earthquake and specifically designed weapon makes no sense?

    I am not saying that the tsunami weapon already exist in Russia, but I do believe that the Western stupidity can be measured in Megatons and it is the key Russian doomsday weapon. The West really, really needs to shake off this unhealthy AngloZionist idea that it can globalise and then rule the World.

    , @Bill Jones
    There was no epicenter or hypocenter, the slippage occurred over a thousand mile or so line of rupture. It also occurred over several minutes rather than a thousandth of a second.
    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake


    I too doubt the efficacy of such a weapon but the intent is to be applauded: it should be thought of as the Revenge of the Deplorables, scouring America clean of the coastal elites.
    , @Bill
    This is a really good question. I find Kiza's and Bill Jones's answers interesting, but they aren't convincing.
    , @attonn
    Watch this. This is an 8-kiloton underwater nuke blast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDMUekfOR-E

    What Russians are planning on detonating along US coastline is 12 000 times more powerful.

    TWELVE THOUSAND.

    Forget about comparing it to earthquakes, that's pointless.

    , @Wizard of Oz
    Oops! Not >6000 times but >600 times. But of course y'all were too polite to pick me up on that...
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  • Mar 2, 2015 Relooking Europe: The Role of Land Forces

    Please join us for a discussion with COL Foster about the future of land forces in Europe and the role of the 173rd Airborne Brigade going forward. The discussion will cover a range of issues and current events facing USAREUR, the 173rd Airborne Brigade’s mission as part of OPERATION ATLANTIC RESOLVE, joint exercises with European allies, and the brigade’s upcoming training mission in Ukraine.

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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Miro23
    Unfortunately this article won't be distributed to every American home with an obligation to read and discuss it.

    The Unz Review is fine, but it's Special Interests that rule the US, with a corrupt use of power that is every bit as effective as the old One Party State dictatorship of the Soviet Union.

    And it's interesting that the Soviet Union eventually fell apart when it was faced with the impossible economic cost of rearmament in response to Reagan's Star War project. Their economy was already starving the population of consumer goods to feed the MIC with the process having reached the limit (also helped by very inefficient production). The key point seemed to be that in the more open world of the late 1980's the Russian public could see clearly how comparatively poor they were in relation to their European neighbours (and their own leadership) and the Nomenklatura was forced to back down.

    The article could have usefully explored the economic aspects, because in some ways the US is the mirror image of the Soviet Union in the 1980's.

    The enormous cost of the US MIC has to be met by the US public in general, either directly through taxes or indirectly through increased indebtedness, with only a small sector benefiting (MIC businesses and their political sponsors) in usual Special Interest style, and the US public is already experiencing real economic difficulties. Large sectors need welfare help, many have consumed virtually all their savings, and have taken on excess debt, quite apart from the $ 10.000's of debt that the government has loaded onto each of them at the Federal level - all resources that will have to be taken from them later either through taxation of inflation.

    There's also a growing awareness of the poverty, with comparative memories of the prosperity of the 1950's, the obvious poor state of US infrastructure, industrial shells like Detroit, the economic rise of Asia, but most of all, the absolutely spectacular inequality in the US itself, where , 120.000 families (0,1%) now have the same wealth as the lower 90% of the population combined (source: David Stockman).

    The 2016 election result could be called the revolution of the economically dispossessed, channeled by Donald Trump, with his Presidential vote being a mandate to break up the Special Interest dictatorship. If he doesn't then he'll be discarded in favour of some leader who will, but in fact the US is already collapsing in the same way as the old Soviet Union.

    The article could have usefully explored the economic aspects, because in some ways the US is the mirror image of the Soviet Union in the 1980′s.

    No, it is not. Not even close–all this “mirror image” meme and drawing parallels with Soviet Union are a complete baloney. For starters, United States in general has no idea what WW II on European Theater was, and, unlike USSR which was practically destroyed in that war, US came out with her pockets packed with cash. The only remote parallel which could be drawn here is the fact that both USSR and current USA were (are) multicultural, multi-ethnic entities. USSR disintegrated since multi-ethnic-cultural empires do not last–the process we all observe today in the US.

    Russian and US approaches to weapons’ design and to the operational concepts which follow are very different and so are the economic realities.

    And it’s interesting that the Soviet Union eventually fell apart when it was faced with the impossible economic cost of rearmament in response to Reagan’s Star War project.

    A complete baloney since in space and space weapons USSR and US were clear peers. 1980s political dynamics in the Soviet Union was not what was conventionally thought in the US, huge echoes of that could still be heard today in how modern Russia behaves herself, as well as in a complete incompetence of the so called US “Russian” expertdom, which time after time failed to either predict or explain anything related to Russia. The main burden on USSR economically was not some abstract “Star Wars” but maintenance of a colossal ground army.

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    "The main burden on USSR economically was not some abstract “Star Wars” but maintenance of a colossal ground army."

    Agree completely. And the reason of USSR maintaining such a colossal army was... WW2 and psychological impact from it. Also, Soviet leadership badly overestimated USA and her conventional capabilities. We clearly did no need such a huge military in peace time.
    "Обжегшись на молоке, будешь дуть и на воду." so to speak.
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  • Here is a *BIG* picture view folks of the American Empire.

    January 5, 2017 US SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCES DEPLOY TO 138 NATIONS, 70 PERCENT OF THE WORLD’S COUNTRIES

    They could be found on the outskirts of Sirte, Libya, supporting local militia fighters, and in Mukalla, Yemen, backing troops from the United Arab Emirates. At Saakow, a remote outpost in southern Somalia, they assisted local commandos in killing several members of the terror group al-Shabab. Around the cities of Jarabulus and Al-Rai in northern Syria, they partnered with both Turkish soldiers and Syrian militias, while also embedding with Kurdish YPG fighters and the Syrian Democratic Forces. Across the border in Iraq, still others joined the fight to liberate the city of Mosul. And in Afghanistan, they assisted indigenous forces in various missions, just as they have every year since 2001.

    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/38993-the-year-of-the-commando-us-special-operations-forces-deploy-to-138-nations-70-percent-of-the-world-s-countries

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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    What would you do?

    Study Russia’s military doctrine, for starters. Not for once stated by Putin, Rogozin, Shoigu and the whole bunch of experts–there will be no nuclear “arms race”. In strategic containment the emphasis is on the conventional stand-off weapons. Yesterday on Solovyov’s Sunday Evening none other than Andrei Kokoshin confirmed, yet again, this point. Issues of a technology match or, depending on the “observer”, mismatch are a sort of voodoo in US where certain mantras have to repeated constantly. But even very general and imprecise calculations of the “weight” of Russia’s “response-head-on” (otvetno-vstrechnyi) strike today gives some idea why there will be no “nuclear arms race”. A simple projection to 2021-2025 basically explains why Russia is content with her new and perspective nuclear deterrent. FYI, Sarmat is capable of carrying hypersonic non-nuclear gliders. In general, using CW1 as a reference point or as the foundation for projection in current situation is not prudent–times changed, dramatically.

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    I do agree with you that the strategic game differs fundamentally between CW1 and CW2. To simplify what you were saying in the military jargon - humanity overall (not only Russia) has reached the level of controlling the release of energy which enables destruction of an opponent without bankrupting the contry. Therefore, those in the West (such as the Anonimous above) who dream that CW2 will end up the same way as CW1 are completely deluded. We are not only talking about the Russian MIC now being about 10x more efficient than the Western MIC, that is the same old Western MIC wrapped around Congressional election districts. You, Smoothie, are talking about a different strategic approach of Russia. Whilst the West is still fighting the CW1 way, Russia is responding the CW2 way. In addition, SU may have had global ambitions, just like the CW1 winning US Empire has now, but the current Russian ambitions are much, much smaller - defense of the motherland and help to a few highly select friends. Long time ago, I compared Russia and its strategic partner China to two back-to-back soldiers with guns defensively pointed Westwards and Eastwards. Therefore, Russia is focusing its military spending, whilst the US is maintaining its (presumed) global empire. The completely different strategic goals are the reason why the direct comparison of the military budgets does not work as a measure of the potential for the achievement of goals.

    In summary, I am not worried about Russia being bankrupted by CW2, such fate is much more likely to befall the West this time because it is still spending the same way as in CW1. But I am worried about the law of unintended consequences, that is CW2 in which one side is convinced of its omnipotence and overwhelming power. For them, Russia is just like a timber log standing in the way of the global dominance. With US buildup on the Russian Western border, two militaries facing each other in a relatively narrow space, the potential for error (of judgement) is huge.

    In other words, the end of the world is more likely than the intended Russian bankruptcy.

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  • A definitive move from deterrence to “compellence” will solve this and a lot more problems–Syrian and Ukrainian regime change comes to mind.

    America must stay at the top of the nuclear game. If Russia wants to bankrupt itself (again) by playing catch up, that is their problem.

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  • Russia has multiple enemies all aggregating along it’s borders. The above chart therefore means absolutely nothing. Russia’s defence efforts must take all these into consideration.

    That a Cohen is promoting war with Russia does not really come as a surprise.

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  • I think it’s a brilliant strategy. Let’s challenge Russia to an arms race. It worked so great for them in the 80′s.

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    I think it’s a brilliant strategy. Let’s challenge Russia to an arms race. It worked so great for them in the 80′s.
     
    The difference is that in the 1980s the Soviet Union was an over-extended empire relying on a discredited universalist ideology to justify its rule and keep its people quiet, whereas today it's the US that is in that position. Then you can add the fact that the US's real near peer rival in the long run is not even Russia anyway, but China. The more effort the US regime puts into trying to subdue Russia and failing, the stronger its real rival becomes, and the more firmly Russia is reminded that its existence depends upon an alliance with China.

    US post-Cold War policy towards Russia has to be a candidate for one of the most egregious grand strategic errors in world history, and it looks as though Trump's efforts to change it will probably be unable to overcome the forces pushing it.
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  • Unfortunately this article won’t be distributed to every American home with an obligation to read and discuss it.

    The Unz Review is fine, but it’s Special Interests that rule the US, with a corrupt use of power that is every bit as effective as the old One Party State dictatorship of the Soviet Union.

    And it’s interesting that the Soviet Union eventually fell apart when it was faced with the impossible economic cost of rearmament in response to Reagan’s Star War project. Their economy was already starving the population of consumer goods to feed the MIC with the process having reached the limit (also helped by very inefficient production). The key point seemed to be that in the more open world of the late 1980′s the Russian public could see clearly how comparatively poor they were in relation to their European neighbours (and their own leadership) and the Nomenklatura was forced to back down.

    The article could have usefully explored the economic aspects, because in some ways the US is the mirror image of the Soviet Union in the 1980′s.

    The enormous cost of the US MIC has to be met by the US public in general, either directly through taxes or indirectly through increased indebtedness, with only a small sector benefiting (MIC businesses and their political sponsors) in usual Special Interest style, and the US public is already experiencing real economic difficulties. Large sectors need welfare help, many have consumed virtually all their savings, and have taken on excess debt, quite apart from the $ 10.000′s of debt that the government has loaded onto each of them at the Federal level – all resources that will have to be taken from them later either through taxation of inflation.

    There’s also a growing awareness of the poverty, with comparative memories of the prosperity of the 1950′s, the obvious poor state of US infrastructure, industrial shells like Detroit, the economic rise of Asia, but most of all, the absolutely spectacular inequality in the US itself, where , 120.000 families (0,1%) now have the same wealth as the lower 90% of the population combined (source: David Stockman).

    The 2016 election result could be called the revolution of the economically dispossessed, channeled by Donald Trump, with his Presidential vote being a mandate to break up the Special Interest dictatorship. If he doesn’t then he’ll be discarded in favour of some leader who will, but in fact the US is already collapsing in the same way as the old Soviet Union.

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    The article could have usefully explored the economic aspects, because in some ways the US is the mirror image of the Soviet Union in the 1980′s.
     
    No, it is not. Not even close--all this "mirror image" meme and drawing parallels with Soviet Union are a complete baloney. For starters, United States in general has no idea what WW II on European Theater was, and, unlike USSR which was practically destroyed in that war, US came out with her pockets packed with cash. The only remote parallel which could be drawn here is the fact that both USSR and current USA were (are) multicultural, multi-ethnic entities. USSR disintegrated since multi-ethnic-cultural empires do not last--the process we all observe today in the US.

    Russian and US approaches to weapons' design and to the operational concepts which follow are very different and so are the economic realities.


    And it’s interesting that the Soviet Union eventually fell apart when it was faced with the impossible economic cost of rearmament in response to Reagan’s Star War project.
     
    A complete baloney since in space and space weapons USSR and US were clear peers. 1980s political dynamics in the Soviet Union was not what was conventionally thought in the US, huge echoes of that could still be heard today in how modern Russia behaves herself, as well as in a complete incompetence of the so called US "Russian" expertdom, which time after time failed to either predict or explain anything related to Russia. The main burden on USSR economically was not some abstract "Star Wars" but maintenance of a colossal ground army.
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  • Russians are probably working day and night on Status-6 underwater drone with 100-megaton nuclear warhead (my guess is that their withdrawal from the plutonium accord is directly connected to this work). Just couple of these (each capable of producing 1700 feet high tsunami traveling 900 miles inland) would wipe out the UK and Northern Europe, and another 4-5 would completely obliterate the USA.
    Once Moscow fully deploys these things, it’s game over for the West. Since Russia is a continental power largely immune to the symmetrical threat, this will bring NATO to its knees.

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2016/12/did-russia-test-doomsday-weapon-arctic-waters

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    Interesting link but would you care to spell out the physics of the 1700 foot high tsunami which otherwise is mere speculation by someone with no stated scientific qualifications.

    Here is my starting point for an argument that it is total rubbish

    By Googling for the Richter scale equivalent of kilo or mega tons of TNT I came across 63,000 megatons for the Sumatran 9.2/9.3 earthquake/tsunami of 26 December 2004 which I remember well because it swept through a beach house I often rent in August. Tsunamis are pressure waves (nothing like wind driven surface waves) which create havoc by rising where they strike coastal resistance. Even in Sumatra where over 200,000 people died close to the epicentre and hypocentre nothing remotely like a 500 metre or 1700 foot high tsunami was generated. And that, remember, was from an explosive force over 6000 times as powerful as the 100 megaton nuclear weapon.

    , @Astuteobservor II
    wow, for the survivors, that is actually more preferable than dying to nuclear fallout and doesn't fuck up habitable land, as much.
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  • The extraordinary point of this great essay is the comparison between Cold War 1 and the Cold War 2, that is the big difference between the two that it emphasises. Whilst during CW1 the Soviet Union had a perception of almost matching the Western military might, Russia in CW2 can only have a highly pronounced feeling of inadequacy and unmatch. Adding on top constant Western trickery and breaking of all signed and unsigned agreements, plus this constantly expressed Judeo-Western desire to literally rule the World, then we get Russia which would, quite understandably, have a twitchy finger on the trigger. A study case example of how in CW2 things could easily escape the comfortable spending confines of CW1 and spin completely out of anyone’s control.

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    "Russia in Cold War 2 can only have a highly pronounced feeling of inadequacy and unmatch. Adding on top constant Western trickery and breaking of all signed and unsigned agreements, plus this constantly expressed Judeo-Western desire to literally rule the World, then we get Russia which would, quite understandably, have a twitchy finger on the trigger."
    Agree.
    More on the same topic: "..there is no way to rein in these lunatics." http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46547.htm
    "Russia is not going to invade Europe, and Washington knows it perfectly well ... The danger with letting pasty neocons in New York play with military forces is that brinksmanship, fun for fern-bar Napoleons, can have not-fun consequences. If Washington puts naval forces in Russian waters in the Black Sea, the Russians will feel compelled to shadow the ships, to keep fighters flying overhead. A mistake occurs–mistakes do occur–and one side downs a plane belonging to the other. The wounded side feels obliged to respond. We have a shooting war. In closed waters bordering Russia, the US Navy would not win. Washington would then feel that it had to defend its ego by expanding the war. Wounded ego is important to the vast combative vanities who so often rise to power.
    And there is no way to rein in these lunatics. They send the military where they like, attack whoever they choose, and we read about it after it has been done. One could almost wish we had constitutional government."
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  • Messrs. Sprey and Spinney,

    A very authoritative and worthwhile article.

    I am not completely unacquainted with the thrust of your presented arguments since I have been listening to Prof Steve Cohen, Russian History Professor Emeritus Princeton and NYU, for the last few years on the John Batchelor radio program.

    Many times Cohen has lamented the fact that his arguments (which mirror yours) have not been readily available to the American populace.

    I sincerely commend your efforts to educate the American people about this extremely important topic. And of to Ron Unz for making this venue available.

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  • The easiest countermove of Russia/China is to nonchalantly troll the US so much that they spend themselves to death (a reverse SDI gambit) or even better, someone trips over a nuke after the morning coffee and you get a fracking hole in Kansas (hopefully w/o setting off launch-on-warning automatics) with the result that the subsequent public outcry kills the nuclear retardation dead.

    Since reading Eric Schlosser’s “Command and Control” and hearing repeatedly about the discombobulated state of US nuclear forces it seems that God’s merciful hand is the only thing that has stood between human self-serving stupidity and “ouch time”. So far. God may tire a bit.

    Well, we might see a regional nuking involving Pakistan/India, maybe that will chill people out a bit, too.

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