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    Media claim white men are the problem; the facts say otherwise. The Second Amendment is under siege. In the New York Times, retired Supreme Court justice John Paul Stevens urged its repeal. A national survey conducted by The Economist and YouGov found 21 percent of Americans support repealing the Second Amendment. Not surprisingly, support varies...
  • I agree that main stream media’s portrayal of white conservative gun-owners as main perpetrators of gun related crimes is totally unjustified. However, in case of assault rifles and semi-automatic weapons, one could make a case that these weapons make mass murderers much more effective killers. So, if they were to use a handgun or a knife, they would have perhaps killed 5 or 10. But with assault rifles and semi-automatic weapons these same crooked people could murder 50+ people. However, with many guns already being out on the loose, and our government’s inability to enforce even enforceable laws such as border control and drug problems, I agree with the points some of the commentators have made that government may not be able to effective enforce gun control laws even if such laws were to be enacted by the Congress.

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  • Racist much? There has been many mass murders in Africa, Asia, South and Central America and communist countries. Muslims and Jews guilty too. Jewish money is responsible for most wars. War is very profitable. Terrorism is meant to end freedom and liberty. The inner cities are loaded with unsolved murders by human animals. Point is we are all animals.

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  • @ANON
    How come you know that and SCOTUS doesn't? How come those dunderheads could have got it so wrong?

    How come you know that and SCOTUS doesn’t? How come those dunderheads could have got it so wrong?

    The Brown SCOTUS pretty much called the Plessy SCOTUS dunderheads.

    (About Plessy, that is. We’re still waiting to hear any SCOTUS question the same Court’s Wong.)

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  • @Svigor

    Indeed but it surely isn’t a reason not to try and reduce the availability of guns, and the deadliness of guns available to the mentally unstable, adoescent and criminal and to make sure they are kept safe from children and from theft.
     
    Keeping guns out of the hands of the "mentally unstable" sounds great in theory, but it's horrible in practice; no way in Hell I trust gov't to do the job. They're guaranteed to use it to infringe on sane people's rights.

    No, if an adult is too "mentally unstable" to handle a gun, he's too "mentally unstable" to be trusted with freedom, driving a car, kitchen knives, gasoline, etc., etc., etc; the gov't can lock him up if he wants to keep him from harming someone.

    No, if an adult is too “mentally unstable” to handle a gun, he’s too “mentally unstable” to be trusted with freedom, driving a car, kitchen knives, gasoline, etc., etc., etc;

    You left out the most important one. He’s too mentally unstable to be allowed to vote.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Your excuse presumably is lack of anything like a first year law student's ability to read and understand words. Evidently you don't know that your courts have not interpreted the Second Amendment as you seem to imagine. The conservative originalist Scalia J's judgments would be particularly helpful in relieving your ignorance.

    Whatever the purpose of the Second Amendment, it most certainly did not apply to blacks.

    1638. Act X.
    All persons except Negroes are to be provided with arms and ammunition or be fined at the pleasure of the governor and council.
    –Virginia statute

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  • Indeed but it surely isn’t a reason not to try and reduce the availability of guns, and the deadliness of guns available to the mentally unstable, adoescent and criminal and to make sure they are kept safe from children and from theft.

    Keeping guns out of the hands of the “mentally unstable” sounds great in theory, but it’s horrible in practice; no way in Hell I trust gov’t to do the job. They’re guaranteed to use it to infringe on sane people’s rights.

    No, if an adult is too “mentally unstable” to handle a gun, he’s too “mentally unstable” to be trusted with freedom, driving a car, kitchen knives, gasoline, etc., etc., etc; the gov’t can lock him up if he wants to keep him from harming someone.

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    No, if an adult is too “mentally unstable” to handle a gun, he’s too “mentally unstable” to be trusted with freedom, driving a car, kitchen knives, gasoline, etc., etc., etc;
     
    You left out the most important one. He's too mentally unstable to be allowed to vote.
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  • ThreeCranes says:
    April 13, 2018 at 7:04 pm GMT • 200 Words

    Good to know. Any thoughts on what 9mm ball does to 1/2″ ply? Only tests I’ve done was against unsuspecting pine trees, and it barely even penetrated the bark – bounced right off the wood underneath, barely leaving a mark.

    Maybe 9mm is a better choice vs. overpenetration.

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  • Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    So 6/26 of murders would be by the black and 20/26 by the white?

    The whites would murder blacks 6/26 (23%) of the time and blacks murder whites 20/26 (77%) of the time.

    Contrast and compare with the actual.

    The whites would murder blacks 6/26 (23%) of the time and blacks murder whites 20/26 (77%) of the time.

    Your assumptions are puzzling me here because you seem to be assuming that everyone is murdered, and, further, by someone of the opposite race.

    I would assume that k interactions resulting in murder take place, depending on the bloodthirstiness of society. Then we should expect that (6k/26) of these murders would be performed by blacks, and (20k/26) by whites, and that the same proportions should apply to murder victims. I wouldn’t tend to think that population numbers would be the limiting factor in number of murder victims, since unless we’re entering civil-war-type scenarios most of the population will not in fact be murdered. Perhaps I’m not accounting properly for spree killers?

    I don’t understand Mr. ECI’s jogging analogy at all, but since he has apparently called it quits I don’t think I ever will.

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  • @EliteCommInc.
    but based on the data as well as what the data sets mean in the real world, your experience is fairly inconsequential to application to the whole. It is over generalized conclusions based on data that is very small to small to apply to a population which does not by data represent the characteristics that have been claimed here. They do describe 41,000,000. They may note 1.5% percent of them -- maybe. But even they are a limited set to themselves with cast variations to environment, location and relational dynamics. Your experience applied to the general population has led to incorrect conclusions about a population set with data, from across the country over more than a hundred years on the record, indicates is incorrect. Yet those conclusions have been applied to a very specific population and it explains: segregation, denial of employment, heavy handed policing, destructive housing policies, a shallow system of politics based not on accurate appraisals but false conclusion derived from tainted and small data sets that set in motion an entire national ethos and policy meant to re-affirm the incorrect conclusions. It explains why German prisoners of war were treated with favor , even permitted benefits black citizens could no. It explains the voting practices and redlining and school dysfunction. It explains why the country imported whites who could neither speak the language, nor comprehend the country instead incorporating free blacks desperate and eager to make their way. It explains the mad scramble to have those false conclusions concerning DNA. Because the house predicated on being white once thought to have been a house built on bricks has turned out to be a house of cards resting on what Christ says is bad foundation - sand. It explains why this country still desires to import Mexicans, Yemenis, Syrians, Saudis on assumptions they are better for the country -- and doing so at the same time immigration policy as a whole is undermining the very fabric of what citizenship means. Mexicans will be delighted to get the southwest territories back in presence and ethos despite the name. The point is that the human dysfunctions are not unique to the small set of blacks - doing so advances faulty and damaging policy.


    No. you not only failed to identify a specific population, you failed to apply the conditions accurately as each has it's own unique staple of characteristics, worse, even among "ghetto" or urban populations, those engaged in criminal behavior are not the majority despite the fact that poverty and its accompanying dysfunctions are environments that seem to foster criminal activity. And that is not a "black trait" that is a general trait for said conditions in even mostly white countries or brown laden countries. And in the US before blacks held those environments, whites: Italians, Poles, Irish, -- what have you manifested as much --- and some of course worse than others. But most poor Italians were not mafia members. Most Irish were not mobsters. Despite associations with the same. It takes far more work than noting skin color to make the assumptions being made. And given that 98.5% of the black population would not reflect the conclusions here -- I am comfortable in saying blacks in general seem to be as most of the population, despite the load of incorrect analysis being hoisted on their shoulders.

    There are blacks that are dangerous. No doubt. No doubt that dysfunctions that exist highest in poverty stricken communities breed a very dangerous element, but that would not a unique
    "black thing." But I can say without a doubt immigrating foreigners instead of ensuring as much access to black citizens has not solved anything save to bring about the a quickening death of the US, that has been going since the end of slavery.


    I am sure various criminal enterprises would love to compete for the top slot of who controls their environment and thwarts police activity the most effectively. The tough Russians or the wily Bloods, MS13s, the stalwart Irish or the sophisticated Italians . . . bottom line fear intimidation, maintaining a sense of control and order has no parent nor any single unique place to rest. -- I am confident they would all claim rights to not cooperating. My suspicions is that the police do a better job of not telling from the officer on the beat to the District attorney's who conspire to violate the law - in the name keeping people safe. No telling is no unique neighborhood's or color population's ethos. I find it a tad discomforting that you explicate Russian toughness as unique --as though it matters why they don't cooperate -- the fact is as you admit - they don't.

    Ohh good grief, stop with the references to theory. We are talking about the numbers and how the numbers as applied do not yield the generalizations that are claimed to the whole of blacks. That cat is out of the bag. You can back pedal to smaller and smaller groups, but the fact is what has been on display in article after article in comment after comment are a series of incorrect assessments which reflect a history of policy and ethos treatment of the black population on the whole.

    your comment that I have made any attempt to deny any aspect of the events or conditions is incorrect. I have at no time avoided dealing with the characterizations nor have I attempted to defend, excuse or dismiss any. i have foolishly and forthrightly tackled the issues as they arrived. And if I missed any contend, that was an organizational error, not one of avoidance. I have tolerated personal insult, entire characterization and even reorganized comments destroying the content and context in which I made them. I have taken the time to unravel those deliberate or accidental characterizations and I have done so as objectively as I possible. I carry my fair fair share of wrongs to my person, maybe even more than my fair share. This is life is not fair, but that is neither excuse nor cause for me to be unfair to others or to dismiss unfairness against others. Because i am a conservative, blacks are all to happy to have me tossed out as are a host of liberals. But that cannot lead me to a path of discussion rooted on that alone. I will always embrace being told i am naive as a sign left of my own innocence. But I have not denied a single event because it's hard to look at. I have indicated that the lens is either incorrect, infused with dirt, out of focus, or completely incorrect leading to incorrect conclusions. it may very well be that tomorrow, while on my rower one the rascals slips into my home and takes my life -- if that person were to be black, that would not change the data sets one iota. It would reflect that i ran into one of the .3% percent who might engage in such behavior. My understandings of social realities is not to cause for someone breaking into my home, my car, my life. If I was killed buying drugs, then one could say, my behavior placed me in harms way, but that death would still be in the context of the data. Nor would my death confirm your own incorrect assessments.

    In the end most blacks are not after anyone's weapon. There's no evidence that the blacks that are after weapons want them for the purpose of killing whites in the future. There is evidence that more whites want everyone';s weapons than blacks. In fact, there's more evidence - even here that whites, if said commenters are white would prefer to:

    get rid of the black population by

    killing them in the womb

    replacing them with noncitizens - despite the results of doing so staring them squarely in the face

    moving them all to one local and denying them access to their citizenship - ignoring the real world consequences of having largely do so

    I will state for the record again, the worst US citizen is worth more to me than any foreigner. I don't need Pres Putin or PM May to solve or tell me how solve the social issues in the US. And i don't need to hire foreigners instead of my fellow citizens regardless how much they may hate me or i dislike them.

    I think I have said far too much for far too long, especially as one who doesn't fancy or takes to writing. Any lack of response in the future is by choice not by lack of critical response.

    For a guy who believes in academic integrity you seem to carelessly misrepresent what others reply to you.
    I mainly described a component of Black victims who do not cooperate because of fear, not because they approve of afro criminality.
    Plus there is a distinction from afro ghetto crime which overtly plays out more in the open, as compared to Russian (or Italian etc) organized crime that is covert. Even when you have the typical resident who admires organized crime, they are not inside it to provide detailed info to the FBI. The organized crime must me infiltrated from the within, which is difficult to do.
    As opposed to the example of one afro shooting another afro, in the street in broad daylight, in their own neighborhood, and the other Black residents refuse to cooperate because of either fear, or admiration.
    If you were not so insulated in the pathologically naive world of preferred academia, this should be common sense to you (maybe you should read less and get out in the world a little more, then maybe you will obtain some useful practical knowledge on how things actually work… LOL, sorry I couldn’t help it).

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  • @Svigor

    Are there any restrictions you would favour being part of the law with respect to possession or ownership or buying and selling of guns – and enforced – that you would support? Age? Mental disability or insanity? Kind of weapons (bazookas? machine guns?)? Safe keeping? Where they may be carried (schools e.g )? Prior criminal record? Number of weapons without obtaining a special license? Kind of ammunition? Compulsory skills? Lending of firearms? Time interval for background checks?
     
    No. There are some I would tolerate, but if we're being honest they're all infringements on the 2nd Amendment.

    Despite what Scalia J wrote for the court in Heller?

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  • @Joe Stalin
    At a minimum, anything a cop can have is covered by the Second Amendment. Yeah, that includes belt-fed MG-42s, body armor and M16A2s.

    How come you know that and SCOTUS doesn’t? How come those dunderheads could have got it so wrong?

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    How come you know that and SCOTUS doesn’t? How come those dunderheads could have got it so wrong?
     
    The Brown SCOTUS pretty much called the Plessy SCOTUS dunderheads.

    (About Plessy, that is. We're still waiting to hear any SCOTUS question the same Court's Wong.)
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  • @Anon
    Explain it to me. If these interactions are truly random shouldn't there be a statistical equivalence between (# murdered of race X) and (# murderer of race X)? What am I mussing in the model here?

    Sorry. Try #178

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  • @Anon
    Explain it to me. If these interactions are truly random shouldn't there be a statistical equivalence between (# murdered of race X) and (# murderer of race X)? What am I mussing in the model here?

    Maybe #176 is what he’s saying.

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  • @James Forrestal
    "in the lowest of the low income arenas blacks seem to reflect the same dysfunctions that exists among the previous owners on inner city life – occupying the ladder that blacks in larger numbers now own. And lo and behold, they also have the same disproportionate crime stats."

    No. Not this "poverty causes violent crime" canard yet again. Sad. Apart from the obvious problems with the face plausibility of idiotic assertions like "poverty makes people rape/ engage in random murders/ etc.." this bald-faced lie has been directly disproven multiple times.

    One example: the poorest White area in America has a lower crime rate than the wealthiest Black area.

    https://kek.gg/i/CrkLF.jpg

    It's not as if no one's ever studied this. In the social sciences, a correlation coefficient in the .3 range is considered to be fairly significant. The correlation between crime rates and various SES measures (poverty, education, unemployment levels, etc.) is in this range-- around .28 - .35. No one on the Right denies that this is significant, of course. Correlation between crime rates and race (% of population that is Black and Hispanic)? .81

    Controlling for poverty, education, and unemployment only reduces this to 0.78 (suggesting, of course, that much of the apparent poverty-crime correlation is an artifact due to higher levels of poverty among Blacks and mestizos).

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    In graphical form:

    https://kek.gg/i/TCVKG.jpg

    It's very rare to see that level of correlation in any area of social science. Yet ignorant, deluded (or deliberately dishonest) race denialists like you just step over it. Pretend that it's never been studied. Ignore it. Almost as if they're only willing to accept facts that accord with the beliefs of their cult, or something.

    The rest of your "arguments" are similarly toxic stews of pilpul, sophistry, cant, and mere blabber, of course. Sad.

    Yet ignorant, deluded (or deliberately dishonest) race denialists like you just step over it. Pretend that it’s never been studied. Ignore it. Almost as if they’re only willing to accept facts that accord with the beliefs of their cult, or something.
    The rest of your “arguments” are similarly toxic stews of pilpul, sophistry, cant, and mere blabber, of course. Sad.

    That pretty much sums it up. But somehow I believe elitcomminc actually believes his own obfuscated sophist nonsense, pleasantly isolating himself from the real world (favoring the contrived world of academic make believe). I almost pity him when future harsh reality pays him a visit, with nowhere to hide. Then living in denial will no longer protect him from the violence, he so wishes to desperately ignore. [I guess he believes afro perpetrated violent crime doesn't exist, or the victims are all just making it up] Only in modern society can people live while denying reality. Prior to modern times this poor survival trait caused progressive minded people to die off. It is amazing that he appears to be so smart, yet so disconnected.

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  • @EliteCommInc.
    If I have twenty white bowling pins and I have six black bowling pins . . .


    Nevermind. It is ever amazing that such knowledgeable people don't get simple probabilities of random interactions . . . again . . . nevermind

    So 6/26 of murders would be by the black and 20/26 by the white?

    The whites would murder blacks 6/26 (23%) of the time and blacks murder whites 20/26 (77%) of the time.

    Contrast and compare with the actual.

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    The whites would murder blacks 6/26 (23%) of the time and blacks murder whites 20/26 (77%) of the time.
     
    Your assumptions are puzzling me here because you seem to be assuming that everyone is murdered, and, further, by someone of the opposite race.

    I would assume that k interactions resulting in murder take place, depending on the bloodthirstiness of society. Then we should expect that (6k/26) of these murders would be performed by blacks, and (20k/26) by whites, and that the same proportions should apply to murder victims. I wouldn't tend to think that population numbers would be the limiting factor in number of murder victims, since unless we're entering civil-war-type scenarios most of the population will not in fact be murdered. Perhaps I'm not accounting properly for spree killers?

    I don't understand Mr. ECI's jogging analogy at all, but since he has apparently called it quits I don't think I ever will.
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  • @Anon
    Explain it to me. If these interactions are truly random shouldn't there be a statistical equivalence between (# murdered of race X) and (# murderer of race X)? What am I mussing in the model here?

    I won’t go through it again. But suppose I am jogging down Brentwood. As I jog, I bump into a woman who happens to black. I turn a corner and lo and behold I bump into another black women. Then I notice nearly all of the women running on this side of the street are black. Interesting.

    That night on the news, a lead in, “A man was bumping into black women on K street in Brentwood.”

    Story:

    “A man was targeting black women on K Street this morning while jogging. There were about ten black women in the lane and about three white women, but this man seemed only interested in bumping into the blacks. During questioning the man claimed he wasn’t aiming at black women, there were just more of them in the lane. I usually run along smith and there are very few black women there, but today I jogged east to K Street. An investigation has begun to consider acts of racist assault. One of the white women stated, “He never bumped into me — I think it was a racist act.”

    Speaking of exercise . . .

    Anyone attempting to anything among any population is going to impact the majority of that population — whether or not he is targeting X or B requires more evidence that he or she bumped into you and you because you are green.

    The evidence and record is overwhelmingly against a certain population acting maliciously against another.

    Take a guess what the record and history tells us about who targets whom more in depth, scope and breadth and does so using perfectly legal and illegal mechanisms to boot. I don’t support anyone committing acts of violence — but coloring a 98.5% of a population based on 1.5% distributed throughout the country that might interact less than .3% of a criminal element — in my view constitutes a degree of irrationality. 200 plus years of attribution to disenfranchise said group has done its work deep and well.

    A further lack of response on my part is neither fear, lack of critical or disrespect to anyone. I am sure this will come up again with some other article —

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  • Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @RadicalCenter
    It's terrible to say, but I wonder if pro-life people understand that this country would be inundated by Africans and become an incredibly violent African/Mexican-majority country without legal available abortion.

    Imagine the daily Hell and terror of life in a USA that was even 25% African, let alone 50%.

    Letting people of any race murder their babies before birth is no acceptable answer to anything if the woman's life is not in danger. The answer was NOT bringing the Africans here in the first place, or sending them back to Africa (a much bigger "Liberia" project) long ago. Too late, obviously.

    Now all of us have to put up with increased restrictions on our civil liberties and privacy -- including "gun control", constant surveillance, and excessive police power -- because a certain meaningful segment of the population actually can't be trusted with freedom (including many whites and Hispanics, of course, but a large highly disproportionate number of Africans).

    And some of us find ourselves saying very sad things like "without abortion, WE would be outnumbered and murdered by those 'sweet little babies' when they grow up."

    You are one of a number of commenters who are anti- abortion. I am interested to know what your reasons are, apart from occasional bad effects on the mother or a potential father being upset. Since the Bible doesn’t deal with it and abortion doesn’t make sentient members of the community fear for their safety what is your argument? Is it one that you think should be enforced on those who disagree with it?

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  • Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @GourmetDan

    The NRA probably is too powerful, but it’s certainly no more powerful than AIPAC, and it’s a helluva lot less harmful.
     
    It is no coincidence that the NRA is a target while Planned Parenthood skates given that they both make roughly equal political contributions...

    You are one of a number of commenters who are anti- abortion. I am interested to know what your reasons are, apart from occasional bad effects on the mother or a potential father being upset. Since the Bible doesn’t deal with it and abortion doesn’t make sentient members of the community fear for their safety what is your argument? Is it one that you think should be enforced on those who disagree with it?

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  • @Jesse James
    The Militia is the People and not the treasury-draining army. It does not matter whether the 2nd Amend. was originally put there to put down slave revolts, foreign invasions, enable hunting or to give pause to a post-WWII non-elected Neo-liberal predatory cabal such as the one that now runs the US. The 2nd Amend. is an Inalienable Right for defense of the individual citizen against two-legged predators- no matter their origin. The violence- prone hunter-gatherer US Afro sub-population that has been purposely dispersed by the US government into the White suburbs of the US is a reason to have privately owned firearms.

    Indeed but it surely isn’t a reason not to try and reduce the availability of guns, and the deadliness of guns available to the mentally unstable, adoescent and criminal and to make sure they are kept safe from children and from theft.

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  • @Truth
    I think you should get some firsthand experience as to whether blacks can fuck or not, Bro. go to a black nightclub and run some game.
    Don't die wondering.

    Sex is one of those simple animalistic things blacks excel at, like dancing and fighting. But you sound like you are on the downlow too

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  • @EliteCommInc.
    If I have twenty white bowling pins and I have six black bowling pins . . .


    Nevermind. It is ever amazing that such knowledgeable people don't get simple probabilities of random interactions . . . again . . . nevermind

    Explain it to me. If these interactions are truly random shouldn’t there be a statistical equivalence between (# murdered of race X) and (# murderer of race X)? What am I mussing in the model here?

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    I won't go through it again. But suppose I am jogging down Brentwood. As I jog, I bump into a woman who happens to black. I turn a corner and lo and behold I bump into another black women. Then I notice nearly all of the women running on this side of the street are black. Interesting.

    That night on the news, a lead in, "A man was bumping into black women on K street in Brentwood."

    Story:

    "A man was targeting black women on K Street this morning while jogging. There were about ten black women in the lane and about three white women, but this man seemed only interested in bumping into the blacks. During questioning the man claimed he wasn't aiming at black women, there were just more of them in the lane. I usually run along smith and there are very few black women there, but today I jogged east to K Street. An investigation has begun to consider acts of racist assault. One of the white women stated, "He never bumped into me -- I think it was a racist act."


    Speaking of exercise . . .

    Anyone attempting to anything among any population is going to impact the majority of that population -- whether or not he is targeting X or B requires more evidence that he or she bumped into you and you because you are green.


    The evidence and record is overwhelmingly against a certain population acting maliciously against another.

    Take a guess what the record and history tells us about who targets whom more in depth, scope and breadth and does so using perfectly legal and illegal mechanisms to boot. I don't support anyone committing acts of violence -- but coloring a 98.5% of a population based on 1.5% distributed throughout the country that might interact less than .3% of a criminal element --- in my view constitutes a degree of irrationality. 200 plus years of attribution to disenfranchise said group has done its work deep and well.


    A further lack of response on my part is neither fear, lack of critical or disrespect to anyone. I am sure this will come up again with some other article ---

    , @Wizard of Oz
    Maybe #176 is what he's saying.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Sorry. Try #178
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  • @James Forrestal
    "86% of white murder victims are killed by whites."

    In other words, ethnically cleansing Whites from many urban areas (so-called "White flight") did allow them to partially escape from Negro violent crime (including murder), due to less daily contact with Blacks. But a Black is still 26x more likely to murder a White than the other way around, and Blacks, at 13% of the population, still commit >50% of the homicides in the country.

    Are you claiming that we should be grateful for these vastly disproportionate levels of Negro violent crime? Or merely that we should ignore them, and focus on some imaginary epidemic of Black men who dindu nuffin being killed by da popo for no reason at all?

    Just curious.

    If I have twenty white bowling pins and I have six black bowling pins . . .

    Nevermind. It is ever amazing that such knowledgeable people don’t get simple probabilities of random interactions . . . again . . . nevermind

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    Explain it to me. If these interactions are truly random shouldn't there be a statistical equivalence between (# murdered of race X) and (# murderer of race X)? What am I mussing in the model here?
    , @Wizard of Oz
    So 6/26 of murders would be by the black and 20/26 by the white?

    The whites would murder blacks 6/26 (23%) of the time and blacks murder whites 20/26 (77%) of the time.

    Contrast and compare with the actual.
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  • @James Forrestal
    "in the lowest of the low income arenas blacks seem to reflect the same dysfunctions that exists among the previous owners on inner city life – occupying the ladder that blacks in larger numbers now own. And lo and behold, they also have the same disproportionate crime stats."

    No. Not this "poverty causes violent crime" canard yet again. Sad. Apart from the obvious problems with the face plausibility of idiotic assertions like "poverty makes people rape/ engage in random murders/ etc.." this bald-faced lie has been directly disproven multiple times.

    One example: the poorest White area in America has a lower crime rate than the wealthiest Black area.

    https://kek.gg/i/CrkLF.jpg

    It's not as if no one's ever studied this. In the social sciences, a correlation coefficient in the .3 range is considered to be fairly significant. The correlation between crime rates and various SES measures (poverty, education, unemployment levels, etc.) is in this range-- around .28 - .35. No one on the Right denies that this is significant, of course. Correlation between crime rates and race (% of population that is Black and Hispanic)? .81

    Controlling for poverty, education, and unemployment only reduces this to 0.78 (suggesting, of course, that much of the apparent poverty-crime correlation is an artifact due to higher levels of poverty among Blacks and mestizos).

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    In graphical form:

    https://kek.gg/i/TCVKG.jpg

    It's very rare to see that level of correlation in any area of social science. Yet ignorant, deluded (or deliberately dishonest) race denialists like you just step over it. Pretend that it's never been studied. Ignore it. Almost as if they're only willing to accept facts that accord with the beliefs of their cult, or something.

    The rest of your "arguments" are similarly toxic stews of pilpul, sophistry, cant, and mere blabber, of course. Sad.

    Your a little late this has been addressed detail. I have never posited poverty alone. Not even close. And before you start to the races you might want to carefully read what I actually said, not what you wanted or hoped I said.

    Your right, it has been studied ad nauseum. An d anyone actually reading what I stated would get immediately that I am not linking any one set or sets singularly. More importantly, any researcher that claims they are controlling for education, unemployment, levels —

    Excuse me once you grant out the impacts are real and significant, you can’tr very well proceed to controlling them. None of these neighborhood are that static especially their relational dynamics. It’s great to isolate out those factors and then proceed to control for them by ignoring their interrelated nature as well as impact on family community structure, ethics of said community and it formulation –

    You have jumped on a band wagon, I did not create. But I am not inclined to quibble an artifact that is not representative of the whole. And that is the issue here as indicated all throughout the article. There’s nothing that ignores the obvious. What there is a challenge top overall advance that blacks as a people are criminally prone. But it is of course appropriate fore you to narrow your advance — of some 1.5% of the violent criminals.

    I also think think your example to population, income and crime comparison of value. It’s one example, though I do not in any way dismiss it. I am curious as to the relational dynamic, proximity, surely you are not comparing a rural community of similar population to one located in or near an urban environment. Be that as it may, I would hazard a guess that there are some white communities that have higher crime rates — when making comparisons, the variables in question must actually be comparable. I am not saying yours is not or that false comparison is being made here, what we understand about stats today and what constitutes validity in said circumstances matter. Given your tend to support overgeneralized conclusions — well, there it is.

    Since you have completely missed the arguments and characterized the one you reference, it’s safe to say your comments about my polity, character, and ethos are just as incorrect. But it is a sign of the problem. Your obviously didn’t read my the lengthy discussion which says something about your generalizations of my character and politics, of which you know absolutely nothing —

    One of the characteristics of serious researchers is prudence, a characteristic of conservatives I hear. And it is imprudent and careless to make the kinds of generalizations about an entire group of people based on these small data sets of a unique population. No one dismisses color dynamics — and I have in no manner avoided them. Since you are now standing on your head, it is safe to say I won’t rehash anything further.

    Well , you do have one observation spot on correct — correlation does not alone mean causation. That bit of advance was unraveled in the 1970(?) — it’s great that you caught up.

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  • @joef

    I am unclear where you and others get these peculiar notions about human behavior.
     
    Uhh, ...world wary experiences in harsh reality (which at times were potentially life threatening).

    That is not unique among black populations.
     
    I did not make the claim that Black populations everywhere adhere to this; merely Blacks living in afro american urban ghettos, who follow their own rational self interest by not making themselves a target of retribution, for cooperating with the criminal justice system (but maybe I was not specific enough?).

    Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs.
     
    True, but generally Russians are an unique breed due to their exceptional toughness.

    You are correct, I am naive — and I thank God that bitterness hasn’t completely eroded that bit of my character. But the comments I am making are common motifs and common knowledge.
     
    Maybe you are better off to a certain extent, but it does leave you somewhat vulnerable (I never claimed I like the way I am, but simply a product of what was learned from my own & others tribulations; despite your past desperate attempts to deny their existence).

    So be it if you are unwilling to believe me (that is obviously your choice); however an over reliance on the latest social science theory may distort a true depiction of what is actually occurring, potentially compromising your future physical survival, not mine (many academic ideas fall out of favor, failing the test of time... An academic social theory that is unable to stand up to the scrutiny of daily uncontrived direct observation should be considered to be invalid).

    Some of the common motifs/knowledge may lack experience, and seem to be supported by preferred confirmation bias, untested against a brutal/unforgiving world (existential threats to your life has a way of eliminating ineffectual defense mechanisms). Just because one wishes to avoid thinking about uncomfortable truths does not negate their existence. Again (as in the past), I wish you luck.

    but based on the data as well as what the data sets mean in the real world, your experience is fairly inconsequential to application to the whole. It is over generalized conclusions based on data that is very small to small to apply to a population which does not by data represent the characteristics that have been claimed here. They do describe 41,000,000. They may note 1.5% percent of them — maybe. But even they are a limited set to themselves with cast variations to environment, location and relational dynamics. Your experience applied to the general population has led to incorrect conclusions about a population set with data, from across the country over more than a hundred years on the record, indicates is incorrect. Yet those conclusions have been applied to a very specific population and it explains: segregation, denial of employment, heavy handed policing, destructive housing policies, a shallow system of politics based not on accurate appraisals but false conclusion derived from tainted and small data sets that set in motion an entire national ethos and policy meant to re-affirm the incorrect conclusions. It explains why German prisoners of war were treated with favor , even permitted benefits black citizens could no. It explains the voting practices and redlining and school dysfunction. It explains why the country imported whites who could neither speak the language, nor comprehend the country instead incorporating free blacks desperate and eager to make their way. It explains the mad scramble to have those false conclusions concerning DNA. Because the house predicated on being white once thought to have been a house built on bricks has turned out to be a house of cards resting on what Christ says is bad foundation – sand. It explains why this country still desires to import Mexicans, Yemenis, Syrians, Saudis on assumptions they are better for the country — and doing so at the same time immigration policy as a whole is undermining the very fabric of what citizenship means. Mexicans will be delighted to get the southwest territories back in presence and ethos despite the name. The point is that the human dysfunctions are not unique to the small set of blacks – doing so advances faulty and damaging policy.

    No. you not only failed to identify a specific population, you failed to apply the conditions accurately as each has it’s own unique staple of characteristics, worse, even among “ghetto” or urban populations, those engaged in criminal behavior are not the majority despite the fact that poverty and its accompanying dysfunctions are environments that seem to foster criminal activity. And that is not a “black trait” that is a general trait for said conditions in even mostly white countries or brown laden countries. And in the US before blacks held those environments, whites: Italians, Poles, Irish, — what have you manifested as much — and some of course worse than others. But most poor Italians were not mafia members. Most Irish were not mobsters. Despite associations with the same. It takes far more work than noting skin color to make the assumptions being made. And given that 98.5% of the black population would not reflect the conclusions here — I am comfortable in saying blacks in general seem to be as most of the population, despite the load of incorrect analysis being hoisted on their shoulders.

    There are blacks that are dangerous. No doubt. No doubt that dysfunctions that exist highest in poverty stricken communities breed a very dangerous element, but that would not a unique
    “black thing.” But I can say without a doubt immigrating foreigners instead of ensuring as much access to black citizens has not solved anything save to bring about the a quickening death of the US, that has been going since the end of slavery.

    I am sure various criminal enterprises would love to compete for the top slot of who controls their environment and thwarts police activity the most effectively. The tough Russians or the wily Bloods, MS13s, the stalwart Irish or the sophisticated Italians . . . bottom line fear intimidation, maintaining a sense of control and order has no parent nor any single unique place to rest. — I am confident they would all claim rights to not cooperating. My suspicions is that the police do a better job of not telling from the officer on the beat to the District attorney’s who conspire to violate the law – in the name keeping people safe. No telling is no unique neighborhood’s or color population’s ethos. I find it a tad discomforting that you explicate Russian toughness as unique –as though it matters why they don’t cooperate — the fact is as you admit – they don’t.

    Ohh good grief, stop with the references to theory. We are talking about the numbers and how the numbers as applied do not yield the generalizations that are claimed to the whole of blacks. That cat is out of the bag. You can back pedal to smaller and smaller groups, but the fact is what has been on display in article after article in comment after comment are a series of incorrect assessments which reflect a history of policy and ethos treatment of the black population on the whole.

    your comment that I have made any attempt to deny any aspect of the events or conditions is incorrect. I have at no time avoided dealing with the characterizations nor have I attempted to defend, excuse or dismiss any. i have foolishly and forthrightly tackled the issues as they arrived. And if I missed any contend, that was an organizational error, not one of avoidance. I have tolerated personal insult, entire characterization and even reorganized comments destroying the content and context in which I made them. I have taken the time to unravel those deliberate or accidental characterizations and I have done so as objectively as I possible. I carry my fair fair share of wrongs to my person, maybe even more than my fair share. This is life is not fair, but that is neither excuse nor cause for me to be unfair to others or to dismiss unfairness against others. Because i am a conservative, blacks are all to happy to have me tossed out as are a host of liberals. But that cannot lead me to a path of discussion rooted on that alone. I will always embrace being told i am naive as a sign left of my own innocence. But I have not denied a single event because it’s hard to look at. I have indicated that the lens is either incorrect, infused with dirt, out of focus, or completely incorrect leading to incorrect conclusions. it may very well be that tomorrow, while on my rower one the rascals slips into my home and takes my life — if that person were to be black, that would not change the data sets one iota. It would reflect that i ran into one of the .3% percent who might engage in such behavior. My understandings of social realities is not to cause for someone breaking into my home, my car, my life. If I was killed buying drugs, then one could say, my behavior placed me in harms way, but that death would still be in the context of the data. Nor would my death confirm your own incorrect assessments.

    In the end most blacks are not after anyone’s weapon. There’s no evidence that the blacks that are after weapons want them for the purpose of killing whites in the future. There is evidence that more whites want everyone’;s weapons than blacks. In fact, there’s more evidence – even here that whites, if said commenters are white would prefer to:

    get rid of the black population by

    killing them in the womb

    replacing them with noncitizens – despite the results of doing so staring them squarely in the face

    moving them all to one local and denying them access to their citizenship – ignoring the real world consequences of having largely do so

    I will state for the record again, the worst US citizen is worth more to me than any foreigner. I don’t need Pres Putin or PM May to solve or tell me how solve the social issues in the US. And i don’t need to hire foreigners instead of my fellow citizens regardless how much they may hate me or i dislike them.

    I think I have said far too much for far too long, especially as one who doesn’t fancy or takes to writing. Any lack of response in the future is by choice not by lack of critical response.

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    For a guy who believes in academic integrity you seem to carelessly misrepresent what others reply to you.
    I mainly described a component of Black victims who do not cooperate because of fear, not because they approve of afro criminality.
    Plus there is a distinction from afro ghetto crime which overtly plays out more in the open, as compared to Russian (or Italian etc) organized crime that is covert. Even when you have the typical resident who admires organized crime, they are not inside it to provide detailed info to the FBI. The organized crime must me infiltrated from the within, which is difficult to do.
    As opposed to the example of one afro shooting another afro, in the street in broad daylight, in their own neighborhood, and the other Black residents refuse to cooperate because of either fear, or admiration.
    If you were not so insulated in the pathologically naive world of preferred academia, this should be common sense to you (maybe you should read less and get out in the world a little more, then maybe you will obtain some useful practical knowledge on how things actually work... LOL, sorry I couldn't help it).
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  • @Svigor

    At a minimum, anything a cop can have is covered by the Second Amendment. Yeah, that includes belt-fed MG-42s, body armor and M16A2s.
     
    True. The Constitution is perfectly sufficient to address the matter. People say "if the Founders knew the technology that was coming," bla bla bla. But the Founders left perfectly functional options in place for Amending the Constitution. If a restriction becomes so obviously needed that any fool can see it, then everyone will agree, and the Constitution can be Amended to reflect the consensus. The trouble is, leftists don't have the support of such a consensus, and can't get broad support for their goals. They run around shouting with their wigs half-off as if it were obvious that they have the support, but they don't.

    I’m no gun expert at all, but I’m pretty sure that a shotgun is generally the way to go for indoor home defense. Have handguns, too, by all means, but the spray from a shotgun makes it harder to completely miss: best chance of at least wounding that home invader so he is slowed down and bleeds out or flees.
     
    Shotguns have their uses, but no, they are not generally "the way to go" for home defense. They are locked into a rather unfavorable form factor, because their capacity is tied to their length (exceptions like box-fed and other newfangled mechanisms that probably haven't caught on for good reasons, notwithstanding). Put another way, a pump shotgun with sufficient firepower is too unwieldy. An AR is a much better choice. Shotguns have their uses, but ARs are a much more popular home defense choice, and have been for years; the form factor is much better (far better firepower:length ratio), for one thing. Also, pump shotguns are way too slow to reload. The one good thing about shotguns is that if you use shot shells, the rounds are stopped by almost anything; I'm not sure buckshot will even penetrate sheet rock. So if your main concern is overpenetration, shotguns are a good choice.

    So I’m told by people who are experienced shooters (both retired military officers, one a former instructor of a Gun Self-Defense Course for women, and they even make their own ammo with their own big-ass machine at home).
     
    People press their own ammo at home, in every caliber you can think of.

    RadicalCenter’s reply is good enough, but I will add “do you know what a thousand rounds is?” Let’s just talk .22LR. One could have just 1/2 a carton (say 1 ft x 18″ x 6″ high), open on top with maybe 20 boxes of 550 rounds apiece. That’s over 10,000, but is that an “arsenal”? According to the Lyin’ Press it is, but it may just just a stock up at a good price that could last for 6 months or a year for the family to go plinking regularly.
     
    1k rounds of .22lr weighs roughly 7lbs, IIRC.

    If you’re worried about the future, you don’t want to imitate Mad Max, BTW. He was not really ready for what happened to his family in the 1st movie, and in the 2nd movie, none of those guys were preppers – it was a real shit-show. No, having various calibers bought at reasonable prices well before TSHTF is just common sense. The .22 LR may even serve as a good currency for a while after the US $ goes down the toilet – and it will.
     
    Guns and ammo are a good investment. Any financial planner will tell you how important diversification is. IMO, that includes a share in durable goods. There are no more durable goods than firearms. They'll last for generations, given minimal effort to store them properly. Ammo has a really long shelf-life, too. It's easy to make a bit of coin by selling during panics, and then buying again when prices have dropped (though I recommend having a core stock not subject to sale, except to rotate out and replace the oldest ammo).

    For a street thug, I would prefer he had a knife, if I had a gun, and he was still > 5 yards away from me. Inside of that, I’d prefer to be 6′ 6″ with some MMA training.
     
    I'd take a good knife over MMA training, any day. A knife is a much better force multiplier than training is. Well, physical training, anyway (nothing is more important than being psychologically prepared to defend yourself). TBH I think I'd rather find myself stuck in a woman's body and armed with a knife and facing a man armed with a knife, than be an unarmed man facing a man with a knife.

    Best to have both a firearm and a knife; TL;DR version is, at a certain (close) range, blades are more deadly than firearms.

    Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs.
     
    Why the FBI is being offered as an honest, impartial source for information is beyond my ken. They're federal employees; they're as likely to give you a pile of politically-correct horseshit as the truth.

    “I’m not sure buckshot will even penetrate sheet rock.”

    Are you kidding me?

    I took my shotgun out into the back yard one day, set up a sheet of 1/2″ ply and shot various loads into it from various distances.

    Why plywood?

    Here’s an experiment I encourage every one of you (still reading this thread) to try. Take a scrap piece of 1/2 or 3/4″ ply say, 2′ x 2′ and lay it on a stump or whatever is is you split your firewood on. Grab your best axe or hatchet from the woodshed. Sharpen it good and sharp. Now address the ply with a good shoulder width apart, square stance, lift the axe over your head and bring it down as though you were trying to impress your girlfriend at the county fair when swinging a wooden sledgehammer at one of those make the bell ring affairs.

    What happened? Your axehead may have penetrated a bit through the ply, but not much. Ply is really tough stuff.

    So, back to the shotgun. If I remember correctly, even #7 birdshot will blow a fist sized hole clean through a piece of 1/2″ ply from 15 yards.

    Double aught Buck shot would go through sheet rock like a bull through cobwebs (at any reasonable indoor distance).

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    You can indeed read it but without a lawyer's help you evidently can't understand it. Why is that so clear?

    First because you haven't understood - probably not read - the Heller Case you cite and therefore don't understand that it doesn't support your version of what the Second Amendment means; and specifically because

    Second, your bolding of "shall not be infringed" [notably the word "infringed"] can only be understood as meaning that you think it is saying "shall not be limited". And that is just plain wrong. Everything I wrote about as possible small gun control measures would be OK if you read and understand the lead judgment of Justice Scalia. The following contains relevant quotes from his judgment:

    http://bigthink.com/risk-reason-and-reality/the-supreme-court-ruling-on-the-2nd-amendment-did-not-grant-an-unlimited-right-to-own-guns

    Please don't think you can do without a lawyer if you are ever charged with a firearms offence.

    The Militia is the People and not the treasury-draining army. It does not matter whether the 2nd Amend. was originally put there to put down slave revolts, foreign invasions, enable hunting or to give pause to a post-WWII non-elected Neo-liberal predatory cabal such as the one that now runs the US. The 2nd Amend. is an Inalienable Right for defense of the individual citizen against two-legged predators- no matter their origin. The violence- prone hunter-gatherer US Afro sub-population that has been purposely dispersed by the US government into the White suburbs of the US is a reason to have privately owned firearms.

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    Indeed but it surely isn't a reason not to try and reduce the availability of guns, and the deadliness of guns available to the mentally unstable, adoescent and criminal and to make sure they are kept safe from children and from theft.
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  • I do have a response here — but i have to take some time before i decide to post if at all.

    There are several points I would take issue with. I am just not sure it is necessary given my previous responses.

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  • @Truth
    LOL. 86% of white murder victims are killed by whites. The stats are roughly the same for every crime category.

    Although of course you are allowed your own feelings.

    “86% of white murder victims are killed by whites.”

    In other words, ethnically cleansing Whites from many urban areas (so-called “White flight”) did allow them to partially escape from Negro violent crime (including murder), due to less daily contact with Blacks. But a Black is still 26x more likely to murder a White than the other way around, and Blacks, at 13% of the population, still commit >50% of the homicides in the country.

    Are you claiming that we should be grateful for these vastly disproportionate levels of Negro violent crime? Or merely that we should ignore them, and focus on some imaginary epidemic of Black men who dindu nuffin being killed by da popo for no reason at all?

    Just curious.

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    If I have twenty white bowling pins and I have six black bowling pins . . .


    Nevermind. It is ever amazing that such knowledgeable people don't get simple probabilities of random interactions . . . again . . . nevermind
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  • Addendum, it’s best to have at least 2 or 3 weapons in your chosen calibers (preferably weapons as similar to each other as possible, so they can share parts, mags, and manuals of arms), with emphasis on important calibers like 9mm and 5.56, before you start buying your strictly SHTF/mothballed guns.

    So in the above example, you’re looking at having like 35 guns before you even start on the second-order guns. Like I said; “serious” collections.

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  • No, having various calibers bought at reasonable prices well before TSHTF is just common sense.

    The ideal is to stock up on guns and ammo in selected calibers, and for extra credit also buy at least one firearm in various popular calibers that you don’t stockpile ammo for, so you’ll have something that shoots found/gifted/whatever ammo.

    E.g:

    Stocked calibers:

    .22lr
    9mm
    .308
    .357
    5.56×45
    12 gauge

    Most of your guns fire rounds listed above, but you also keep at least 1 gun in:

    .380
    .38
    .45
    10mm
    .40
    .44

    7.62×39
    7.62×51
    .270
    .300AAC
    7mm Remington
    30-30
    30-06
    .338 Lupua

    20 gauge

    Etc.

    Obviously this is if you want a “serious” collection; most of us will short of the ideal. If you just want an adequate home defense collection, buy 9mm and 5.56, and pistols and ARs chambered for them.

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  • @EliteCommInc.
    First let's tackle the obvious,

    a. according to your own stats most blacks are not interested in changing the the 2nd amendment and most likely support individual gun ownership at the very least -- don't care

    b. there's no method of determining which weighs heaviest being black or being a democrat or liberal in otherwords black liberals , progressives, democrats (most likely those educated elites) are inclined to support gun control just like their white counter parts

    c. hispanics are white and are counted as white among nearly all survey data sets -- and they openly want to be seen as whites --- no hurdling or IQ required to comprehend why.

    d. engaging in categorical manipulation doesn't help make the case, in fact, it belies a manner of willful and sinister manipulation of the truth so as to advance an agenda -- in this case the typical blacks bad whites good. Democrats are democrats, counting democrats alongside blacks as though that represents some manner of actual comparison skews the numbers and in general represents a false comparison --

    Third,

    Overall support for private gun ownership has increased despite a dropping crime rate. And in previous discussions that increased included members of black citizens.

    https://ijr.com/2015/04/301406-new-poll-shows-major-shift-in-how-americans-view-the-2nd-amendment-and-gun-control/

    Fourth

    a. uhhh it's shocking. And it's accurate, that upon remaining in the lowest of the low income arenas blacks seem to reflect the same dysfunctions that exists among the previous owners on inner city life - occupying the ladder that blacks in larger numbers now own. And lo and behold, they also have the same disproportionate crime stats. Though they had out longer than those other populations, white in color. Over time, whatever malfunctions occur finally eroded the to norm . Those darn blacks in similar circumstances are just like whites afterall --- that's disappointing.

    b. And just like the white demographics, some cities are more prone to these behaviors more than others.

    c. But let's play fair -- hispanic and asians are whites not black and both are ethnic groups --- sliding them into the color box constitutes a gaming of the the stats. No cheating, one should own their own, even when we don't like what that ownership means.

    d. It's a safe bet that when blacks who support some manner of gun control they aren't just after the guns of whites. They are also after the guns of those inner city users of weapons. Most gun control advocates are equal opportunity gun control advocates.

    Fourth

    a. Another shocker, the more desperate the circumstances in which people live, the more likely the crime rate, including violent crimes are likely to be -- seems to be a phenomenon regardless of color, but we have worked over time to make any and all human commonalities uniquely blacks especially if its negative. The longer anyone groups occupies said environments without a shift, the more sustained violent environments thrive, hence the term cycle of violence, poverty, etc --

    b. The goal here of course is to denote some overall assessment of the black population in general by examining the numbers. Let's just take murder. Based on this article,

    http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/04/05/doj-blacks-committed-about-53-of-all-murders-in-2015/

    there were roughly 14,000 murders in 2015. Let's attribute everyone of them to blacks. That's 0.034%. It doesn't represent a 1/2 % of the black population --- hardly an angry mass mob looking to go after whites with or without guns afterall one has be with a specific population, location and social set to be a victim of a tiny minority. It's always nice to bin up the numbers by percentage comparisons of by ignoring the actual totals. Like the scary percentages of police deaths from homicide were up some forty percent or whatever that number was nearly two years as it turns the increase was a total of something like five officers with a rang total -- there was no war on the police, not an active gun war anymore than blacks are trying to confiscate duns just from white people so they can kill them later.

    One wants to defend gun rights, fine by me -- my full support. But this kind of advocacy among thinking people gives conservatives and gun rights activists a bad name for very squirrelly arguments. It's the kind of fear mongering that lends credence to contentions that gun advocates are a paranoid fringe -- hoping the bottle snaps so they can shoot their imagined threats for real.


    And it misses the real issue that causes concern -- the random mass shootings on citizens. That's the issue. The marches and protests the last five years are not concerning the few black people who shoot each other. It's that unsuspecting person who one day walking into a public square or sits on a rooftop or balcony and just starts killing people. To pretend that you can change the real fear people have by pulling out the old crime in the streets gambit, insults the intelligence of most people who know and understand that there are certain locations and social settings best avoided to avoid being shot. Generally people know what those neighbors are and where they are located -- they can avoid them. No. The fear is for commonly understood safe places to suddenly become a shooting gallery: places like the mall, the lark, the local school, entertainment venue or of all places the country's churches.

    Sec Rice is not talking about the dangers of walking at night doing a dope deal in Cabreeny Green, Kansas city. She is talking the unlikely scenario of having a picnic on her ranch with friends which is interrupted by someone who doesn't like Tuesdays and has decided in a blue mood to take the lives of herself and her guests.

    “in the lowest of the low income arenas blacks seem to reflect the same dysfunctions that exists among the previous owners on inner city life – occupying the ladder that blacks in larger numbers now own. And lo and behold, they also have the same disproportionate crime stats.”

    No. Not this “poverty causes violent crime” canard yet again. Sad. Apart from the obvious problems with the face plausibility of idiotic assertions like “poverty makes people rape/ engage in random murders/ etc..” this bald-faced lie has been directly disproven multiple times.

    One example: the poorest White area in America has a lower crime rate than the wealthiest Black area.

    It’s not as if no one’s ever studied this. In the social sciences, a correlation coefficient in the .3 range is considered to be fairly significant. The correlation between crime rates and various SES measures (poverty, education, unemployment levels, etc.) is in this range– around .28 – .35. No one on the Right denies that this is significant, of course. Correlation between crime rates and race (% of population that is Black and Hispanic)? .81

    Controlling for poverty, education, and unemployment only reduces this to 0.78 (suggesting, of course, that much of the apparent poverty-crime correlation is an artifact due to higher levels of poverty among Blacks and mestizos).

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    In graphical form:

    It’s very rare to see that level of correlation in any area of social science. Yet ignorant, deluded (or deliberately dishonest) race denialists like you just step over it. Pretend that it’s never been studied. Ignore it. Almost as if they’re only willing to accept facts that accord with the beliefs of their cult, or something.

    The rest of your “arguments” are similarly toxic stews of pilpul, sophistry, cant, and mere blabber, of course. Sad.

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    Your a little late this has been addressed detail. I have never posited poverty alone. Not even close. And before you start to the races you might want to carefully read what I actually said, not what you wanted or hoped I said.


    Your right, it has been studied ad nauseum. An d anyone actually reading what I stated would get immediately that I am not linking any one set or sets singularly. More importantly, any researcher that claims they are controlling for education, unemployment, levels ---

    Excuse me once you grant out the impacts are real and significant, you can'tr very well proceed to controlling them. None of these neighborhood are that static especially their relational dynamics. It's great to isolate out those factors and then proceed to control for them by ignoring their interrelated nature as well as impact on family community structure, ethics of said community and it formulation --

    You have jumped on a band wagon, I did not create. But I am not inclined to quibble an artifact that is not representative of the whole. And that is the issue here as indicated all throughout the article. There's nothing that ignores the obvious. What there is a challenge top overall advance that blacks as a people are criminally prone. But it is of course appropriate fore you to narrow your advance -- of some 1.5% of the violent criminals.

    I also think think your example to population, income and crime comparison of value. It's one example, though I do not in any way dismiss it. I am curious as to the relational dynamic, proximity, surely you are not comparing a rural community of similar population to one located in or near an urban environment. Be that as it may, I would hazard a guess that there are some white communities that have higher crime rates --- when making comparisons, the variables in question must actually be comparable. I am not saying yours is not or that false comparison is being made here, what we understand about stats today and what constitutes validity in said circumstances matter. Given your tend to support overgeneralized conclusions -- well, there it is.

    Since you have completely missed the arguments and characterized the one you reference, it's safe to say your comments about my polity, character, and ethos are just as incorrect. But it is a sign of the problem. Your obviously didn't read my the lengthy discussion which says something about your generalizations of my character and politics, of which you know absolutely nothing ---

    One of the characteristics of serious researchers is prudence, a characteristic of conservatives I hear. And it is imprudent and careless to make the kinds of generalizations about an entire group of people based on these small data sets of a unique population. No one dismisses color dynamics -- and I have in no manner avoided them. Since you are now standing on your head, it is safe to say I won't rehash anything further.


    Well , you do have one observation spot on correct --- correlation does not alone mean causation. That bit of advance was unraveled in the 1970(?) -- it's great that you caught up.
    , @joef

    Yet ignorant, deluded (or deliberately dishonest) race denialists like you just step over it. Pretend that it’s never been studied. Ignore it. Almost as if they’re only willing to accept facts that accord with the beliefs of their cult, or something.
    The rest of your “arguments” are similarly toxic stews of pilpul, sophistry, cant, and mere blabber, of course. Sad.
     
    That pretty much sums it up. But somehow I believe elitcomminc actually believes his own obfuscated sophist nonsense, pleasantly isolating himself from the real world (favoring the contrived world of academic make believe). I almost pity him when future harsh reality pays him a visit, with nowhere to hide. Then living in denial will no longer protect him from the violence, he so wishes to desperately ignore. [I guess he believes afro perpetrated violent crime doesn't exist, or the victims are all just making it up] Only in modern society can people live while denying reality. Prior to modern times this poor survival trait caused progressive minded people to die off. It is amazing that he appears to be so smart, yet so disconnected.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime (and suicide) by proper character checks, limits - with few exceptions - on the number of guns owned, stringent and enforced requirements for safe keeping of guns, rigorous training requirements for any under 21 year old who wants a license to own or use.....?

    “What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime

    Stop right there. That’s your entire problem — a false embedded assumption; framing the issue in a deliberately distorted manner.

    Replace “gun” with “Negro” in that sentence (a more accurate characterization of the problem). Do the policy implications differ?

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  • @Truth
    This is entirely senseless, Blaise Pascal.

    No matter how many blacks are victimized or offenders, and no matter how many whites are vicitimized or offenders, the RATIO of whites to blacks in this country remains the same.

    And the simple fact is that the vast majority of crimes committed against whites are committed BY whites, that is in every category that I have seen.

    You can’t possibly be as stupid as you pretend to be. Are you really incapable of comprehending such a simple concept as “per capita?” The relevant stat, as regards to a realistic assessment of the risk of a stranger attacking you for no apparent reason, has nothing to do with the total populations. It has to do with the characteristic of the group that stranger belongs to. Or do you somehow believe that every person in the country comes into contact with every other person in the entire population, every day?

    Using 2010 data:
    the “average” black was statistically 26.5 times more likely to commit criminal violence against a white, than vice versa. Moreover, blacks who committed violent crimes chose white victims 47.7% of the time, whereas whites who committed violent crimes targeted black victims only 3.9% of the time.*

    In other words, a Black who sees a random White male walking towards him has nothing to fear. A White who sees a Black male stranger walking towards him is quite correct in appraising that individual as markedly higher risk to commit random acts of violence.

    *According to data from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), an estimated 320,082 whites were victims of black violence in 2010, while 62,593 blacks were victims of white violence. That same year, according to the Census Bureau, the white and black populations in the U.S. were 196,817,552 and 37,685,848, respectively. Whites therefore committed acts of interracial violence at a rate of 32 per 100,000, while the black rate was 849 per 100,000. In other words, the “average” black was statistically 26.5 times more likely to commit criminal violence against a white, than vice versa.

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  • At a minimum, anything a cop can have is covered by the Second Amendment. Yeah, that includes belt-fed MG-42s, body armor and M16A2s.

    True. The Constitution is perfectly sufficient to address the matter. People say “if the Founders knew the technology that was coming,” bla bla bla. But the Founders left perfectly functional options in place for Amending the Constitution. If a restriction becomes so obviously needed that any fool can see it, then everyone will agree, and the Constitution can be Amended to reflect the consensus. The trouble is, leftists don’t have the support of such a consensus, and can’t get broad support for their goals. They run around shouting with their wigs half-off as if it were obvious that they have the support, but they don’t.

    I’m no gun expert at all, but I’m pretty sure that a shotgun is generally the way to go for indoor home defense. Have handguns, too, by all means, but the spray from a shotgun makes it harder to completely miss: best chance of at least wounding that home invader so he is slowed down and bleeds out or flees.

    Shotguns have their uses, but no, they are not generally “the way to go” for home defense. They are locked into a rather unfavorable form factor, because their capacity is tied to their length (exceptions like box-fed and other newfangled mechanisms that probably haven’t caught on for good reasons, notwithstanding). Put another way, a pump shotgun with sufficient firepower is too unwieldy. An AR is a much better choice. Shotguns have their uses, but ARs are a much more popular home defense choice, and have been for years; the form factor is much better (far better firepower:length ratio), for one thing. Also, pump shotguns are way too slow to reload. The one good thing about shotguns is that if you use shot shells, the rounds are stopped by almost anything; I’m not sure buckshot will even penetrate sheet rock. So if your main concern is overpenetration, shotguns are a good choice.

    So I’m told by people who are experienced shooters (both retired military officers, one a former instructor of a Gun Self-Defense Course for women, and they even make their own ammo with their own big-ass machine at home).

    People press their own ammo at home, in every caliber you can think of.

    RadicalCenter’s reply is good enough, but I will add “do you know what a thousand rounds is?” Let’s just talk .22LR. One could have just 1/2 a carton (say 1 ft x 18″ x 6″ high), open on top with maybe 20 boxes of 550 rounds apiece. That’s over 10,000, but is that an “arsenal”? According to the Lyin’ Press it is, but it may just just a stock up at a good price that could last for 6 months or a year for the family to go plinking regularly.

    1k rounds of .22lr weighs roughly 7lbs, IIRC.

    If you’re worried about the future, you don’t want to imitate Mad Max, BTW. He was not really ready for what happened to his family in the 1st movie, and in the 2nd movie, none of those guys were preppers – it was a real shit-show. No, having various calibers bought at reasonable prices well before TSHTF is just common sense. The .22 LR may even serve as a good currency for a while after the US $ goes down the toilet – and it will.

    Guns and ammo are a good investment. Any financial planner will tell you how important diversification is. IMO, that includes a share in durable goods. There are no more durable goods than firearms. They’ll last for generations, given minimal effort to store them properly. Ammo has a really long shelf-life, too. It’s easy to make a bit of coin by selling during panics, and then buying again when prices have dropped (though I recommend having a core stock not subject to sale, except to rotate out and replace the oldest ammo).

    For a street thug, I would prefer he had a knife, if I had a gun, and he was still > 5 yards away from me. Inside of that, I’d prefer to be 6′ 6″ with some MMA training.

    I’d take a good knife over MMA training, any day. A knife is a much better force multiplier than training is. Well, physical training, anyway (nothing is more important than being psychologically prepared to defend yourself). TBH I think I’d rather find myself stuck in a woman’s body and armed with a knife and facing a man armed with a knife, than be an unarmed man facing a man with a knife.

    Best to have both a firearm and a knife; TL;DR version is, at a certain (close) range, blades are more deadly than firearms.

    Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs.

    Why the FBI is being offered as an honest, impartial source for information is beyond my ken. They’re federal employees; they’re as likely to give you a pile of politically-correct horseshit as the truth.

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    "I’m not sure buckshot will even penetrate sheet rock."

    Are you kidding me?

    I took my shotgun out into the back yard one day, set up a sheet of 1/2" ply and shot various loads into it from various distances.

    Why plywood?

    Here's an experiment I encourage every one of you (still reading this thread) to try. Take a scrap piece of 1/2 or 3/4" ply say, 2' x 2' and lay it on a stump or whatever is is you split your firewood on. Grab your best axe or hatchet from the woodshed. Sharpen it good and sharp. Now address the ply with a good shoulder width apart, square stance, lift the axe over your head and bring it down as though you were trying to impress your girlfriend at the county fair when swinging a wooden sledgehammer at one of those make the bell ring affairs.

    What happened? Your axehead may have penetrated a bit through the ply, but not much. Ply is really tough stuff.

    So, back to the shotgun. If I remember correctly, even #7 birdshot will blow a fist sized hole clean through a piece of 1/2" ply from 15 yards.

    Double aught Buck shot would go through sheet rock like a bull through cobwebs (at any reasonable indoor distance).

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  • @RadicalCenter
    I'm no gun expert at all, but I'm pretty sure that a shotgun is generally the way to go for indoor home defense. Have handguns, too, by all means, but the spray from a shotgun makes it harder to completely miss: best chance of at least wounding that home invader so he is slowed down and bleeds out or flees.

    So I'm told by people who are experienced shooters (both retired military officers, one a former instructor of a Gun Self-Defense Course for women, and they even make their own ammo with their own big-ass machine at home).

    I always find it sad to think about which guns are best at blowing people apart in different contexts and settings. "Man's inhumanity to man" and all that. But then, it's even sadder to think about what home invaders do to innocent people if they're NOT met with firearms.

    By invading our home or business, the invader is the one ensuring that there may no good way out of the situation for either of us. F--- 'em.

    If you like a shotgun – buy and keep a shotgun. I have a tactical shotgun but I’ve never pulled it out and pointed at a home invader. I have done that with home invaders with my handgun – twice.

    For the short ranges that are involved in most home defense the scatter of a shotgun is irrelevant, But shotguns are cost effective. You can get a perfectly lethal shotgun for peanuts. Don’t bother with analysis – just get one and put it in your gun safe.

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  • @EliteCommInc.
    That is not unique among black populations. Nothing and I mean nothing you have mentioned is unique to black populations. Every word you have uttered is a factor among any population anywhere on the planet.


    Russians, Greeks, Yugoslavs, Ukrainians, Native Americans, Irish, Italians, Indians, white, black, brown, yellow, peach, tangerine . . . even non criminal entities practice closed dynamics . . .

    I am unclear where you and others get these peculiar notions about human behavior. It's disconcerting that there are so many false narratives wading on the tips of tongues intelligent and powerful people. Watch any crime program -- numerous stories of young students participating in murder, aware of the murder, know where the body is, take their friends to see the body and never say a word for months, years -- white kids. rural farmers battle with criminal thieves, even rustlers who don't rat each other out - despite being neighbors to the victims - whites.

    Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs. You are correct, I am naive -- and I thank God that bitterness hasn't completely eroded that bit of my character. But the comments I am making are common motifs and common knowledge.

    I am unclear where you and others get these peculiar notions about human behavior.

    Uhh, …world wary experiences in harsh reality (which at times were potentially life threatening).

    That is not unique among black populations.

    I did not make the claim that Black populations everywhere adhere to this; merely Blacks living in afro american urban ghettos, who follow their own rational self interest by not making themselves a target of retribution, for cooperating with the criminal justice system (but maybe I was not specific enough?).

    Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs.

    True, but generally Russians are an unique breed due to their exceptional toughness.

    You are correct, I am naive — and I thank God that bitterness hasn’t completely eroded that bit of my character. But the comments I am making are common motifs and common knowledge.

    Maybe you are better off to a certain extent, but it does leave you somewhat vulnerable (I never claimed I like the way I am, but simply a product of what was learned from my own & others tribulations; despite your past desperate attempts to deny their existence).

    So be it if you are unwilling to believe me (that is obviously your choice); however an over reliance on the latest social science theory may distort a true depiction of what is actually occurring, potentially compromising your future physical survival, not mine (many academic ideas fall out of favor, failing the test of time… An academic social theory that is unable to stand up to the scrutiny of daily uncontrived direct observation should be considered to be invalid).

    Some of the common motifs/knowledge may lack experience, and seem to be supported by preferred confirmation bias, untested against a brutal/unforgiving world (existential threats to your life has a way of eliminating ineffectual defense mechanisms). Just because one wishes to avoid thinking about uncomfortable truths does not negate their existence. Again (as in the past), I wish you luck.

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    but based on the data as well as what the data sets mean in the real world, your experience is fairly inconsequential to application to the whole. It is over generalized conclusions based on data that is very small to small to apply to a population which does not by data represent the characteristics that have been claimed here. They do describe 41,000,000. They may note 1.5% percent of them -- maybe. But even they are a limited set to themselves with cast variations to environment, location and relational dynamics. Your experience applied to the general population has led to incorrect conclusions about a population set with data, from across the country over more than a hundred years on the record, indicates is incorrect. Yet those conclusions have been applied to a very specific population and it explains: segregation, denial of employment, heavy handed policing, destructive housing policies, a shallow system of politics based not on accurate appraisals but false conclusion derived from tainted and small data sets that set in motion an entire national ethos and policy meant to re-affirm the incorrect conclusions. It explains why German prisoners of war were treated with favor , even permitted benefits black citizens could no. It explains the voting practices and redlining and school dysfunction. It explains why the country imported whites who could neither speak the language, nor comprehend the country instead incorporating free blacks desperate and eager to make their way. It explains the mad scramble to have those false conclusions concerning DNA. Because the house predicated on being white once thought to have been a house built on bricks has turned out to be a house of cards resting on what Christ says is bad foundation - sand. It explains why this country still desires to import Mexicans, Yemenis, Syrians, Saudis on assumptions they are better for the country -- and doing so at the same time immigration policy as a whole is undermining the very fabric of what citizenship means. Mexicans will be delighted to get the southwest territories back in presence and ethos despite the name. The point is that the human dysfunctions are not unique to the small set of blacks - doing so advances faulty and damaging policy.


    No. you not only failed to identify a specific population, you failed to apply the conditions accurately as each has it's own unique staple of characteristics, worse, even among "ghetto" or urban populations, those engaged in criminal behavior are not the majority despite the fact that poverty and its accompanying dysfunctions are environments that seem to foster criminal activity. And that is not a "black trait" that is a general trait for said conditions in even mostly white countries or brown laden countries. And in the US before blacks held those environments, whites: Italians, Poles, Irish, -- what have you manifested as much --- and some of course worse than others. But most poor Italians were not mafia members. Most Irish were not mobsters. Despite associations with the same. It takes far more work than noting skin color to make the assumptions being made. And given that 98.5% of the black population would not reflect the conclusions here -- I am comfortable in saying blacks in general seem to be as most of the population, despite the load of incorrect analysis being hoisted on their shoulders.

    There are blacks that are dangerous. No doubt. No doubt that dysfunctions that exist highest in poverty stricken communities breed a very dangerous element, but that would not a unique
    "black thing." But I can say without a doubt immigrating foreigners instead of ensuring as much access to black citizens has not solved anything save to bring about the a quickening death of the US, that has been going since the end of slavery.


    I am sure various criminal enterprises would love to compete for the top slot of who controls their environment and thwarts police activity the most effectively. The tough Russians or the wily Bloods, MS13s, the stalwart Irish or the sophisticated Italians . . . bottom line fear intimidation, maintaining a sense of control and order has no parent nor any single unique place to rest. -- I am confident they would all claim rights to not cooperating. My suspicions is that the police do a better job of not telling from the officer on the beat to the District attorney's who conspire to violate the law - in the name keeping people safe. No telling is no unique neighborhood's or color population's ethos. I find it a tad discomforting that you explicate Russian toughness as unique --as though it matters why they don't cooperate -- the fact is as you admit - they don't.

    Ohh good grief, stop with the references to theory. We are talking about the numbers and how the numbers as applied do not yield the generalizations that are claimed to the whole of blacks. That cat is out of the bag. You can back pedal to smaller and smaller groups, but the fact is what has been on display in article after article in comment after comment are a series of incorrect assessments which reflect a history of policy and ethos treatment of the black population on the whole.

    your comment that I have made any attempt to deny any aspect of the events or conditions is incorrect. I have at no time avoided dealing with the characterizations nor have I attempted to defend, excuse or dismiss any. i have foolishly and forthrightly tackled the issues as they arrived. And if I missed any contend, that was an organizational error, not one of avoidance. I have tolerated personal insult, entire characterization and even reorganized comments destroying the content and context in which I made them. I have taken the time to unravel those deliberate or accidental characterizations and I have done so as objectively as I possible. I carry my fair fair share of wrongs to my person, maybe even more than my fair share. This is life is not fair, but that is neither excuse nor cause for me to be unfair to others or to dismiss unfairness against others. Because i am a conservative, blacks are all to happy to have me tossed out as are a host of liberals. But that cannot lead me to a path of discussion rooted on that alone. I will always embrace being told i am naive as a sign left of my own innocence. But I have not denied a single event because it's hard to look at. I have indicated that the lens is either incorrect, infused with dirt, out of focus, or completely incorrect leading to incorrect conclusions. it may very well be that tomorrow, while on my rower one the rascals slips into my home and takes my life -- if that person were to be black, that would not change the data sets one iota. It would reflect that i ran into one of the .3% percent who might engage in such behavior. My understandings of social realities is not to cause for someone breaking into my home, my car, my life. If I was killed buying drugs, then one could say, my behavior placed me in harms way, but that death would still be in the context of the data. Nor would my death confirm your own incorrect assessments.

    In the end most blacks are not after anyone's weapon. There's no evidence that the blacks that are after weapons want them for the purpose of killing whites in the future. There is evidence that more whites want everyone';s weapons than blacks. In fact, there's more evidence - even here that whites, if said commenters are white would prefer to:

    get rid of the black population by

    killing them in the womb

    replacing them with noncitizens - despite the results of doing so staring them squarely in the face

    moving them all to one local and denying them access to their citizenship - ignoring the real world consequences of having largely do so

    I will state for the record again, the worst US citizen is worth more to me than any foreigner. I don't need Pres Putin or PM May to solve or tell me how solve the social issues in the US. And i don't need to hire foreigners instead of my fellow citizens regardless how much they may hate me or i dislike them.

    I think I have said far too much for far too long, especially as one who doesn't fancy or takes to writing. Any lack of response in the future is by choice not by lack of critical response.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Same point to make as about suicide.... Who wouldn't prefer that a burglar or street thug had a knife rather than a gun?

    For a street thug, I would prefer he had a knife, if I had a gun, and he was still > 5 yards away from me. Inside of that, I’d prefer to be 6′ 6″ with some MMA training.

    This is hopefully hypothetical for me, as I’d really prefer to know ahead of time that I’m in a bad spot, and this guy looks shady. Often just showing that one has a gun can put the kibosh on violent crime by non-professional thugs.

    For a burglar, a good dog is best, so that I’d at least know well ahead something is up. Then I wouldn’t care so much what weapon he has once the glass starts breaking.

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  • @RadicalCenter
    You took the words right outta my mouth, Sondjata.

    I have been targeted with violence for being white, and the complex process I used to reach that conclusion is that the attacker was African in both cases and talked hateful "die white mother-----" crap to me while attacking me. Not amenable to any contrary interpretation.

    Elite, man, you are a smart guy with a lot of insights, but please don't underestimate the extent of explicitly anti-white intimidation and violence in the USA nowadays. It's not rare and it's often not subtle or ambiguous.

    With all sincerity, I am saddened that you experienced any manner of criminal act on your person —

    I agree that said experience can be life changing and skewer one’s a priori view of others. I would that I could say, I have had no such experience(s).

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  • @AndrewR
    "Gun nut" is relative, certainly. A wealthy gun collector doesn't necessarily qualify even if he's spent 100,000 dollars on guns. Someone who enjoys shooting doesn't necessarily qualify. And it's insulting to me for you to imply that I even might classify that "white family" with a shotgun and a pistol as "gun-obsessed rednecks."

    I primarily was thinking of that type of nutjob who stores thousands of rounds of ammo for some Mad Max dystopian fantasy in which they style themselves heroes.

    RadicalCenter’s reply is good enough, but I will add “do you know what a thousand rounds is?” Let’s just talk .22LR. One could have just 1/2 a carton (say 1 ft x 18″ x 6″ high), open on top with maybe 20 boxes of 550 rounds apiece. That’s over 10,000, but is that an “arsenal”? According to the Lyin’ Press it is, but it may just just a stock up at a good price that could last for 6 months or a year for the family to go plinking regularly.

    If you’re worried about the future, you don’t want to imitate Mad Max, BTW. He was not really ready for what happened to his family in the 1st movie, and in the 2nd movie, none of those guys were preppers – it was a real shit-show. No, having various calibers bought at reasonable prices well before TSHTF is just common sense. The .22 LR may even serve as a good currency for a while after the US $ goes down the toilet – and it will.

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  • @Pat Boyle
    I don't know about conditions in Australia. I know about the situation here in California.

    I used to have a little revolver when I lived in San Francisco on Russian Hill (good neighborhood). I had reason to use it twice. The first time there was a sniper - probably a lunatic - who set up a shooting nest about twenty feet from our bedroom. I took the wife to the other side of the apartment and sat on the floor below window level and waited for the Tact Squad. It was very comforting to have that gun in my hand while I waited for the cops to come.

    A year or so later there was a guy who was trying to open my bedroom window and come in. I sallied forth with my little .32 revolver in hand and screamed at him. I lied. I yelled that I had a .45 and I was coming around the corner. He took off over the fence.

    Now I live in Oakland and wait for the quake. The Hayward Fault is a couple blocks away. The government says it will soon slip. At that time I expect that my all-white neighborhood will be invaded by darker skinned people from lower down the hill. People who haven't prepared. I have a weeks worth of food and water and a couple guns. Everyone around here has guns.

    Sounds rational and indeed reasonable. My widowed mother had a very rich cattle owning paaaartner late in life. He was a small old man but he surprised me by saying he had a (licensed) small revolver as he lived nornally in one if Australia’s safest cities. If I lived off the beaten track in the country I think I might, especially past youth and strength, acquire a hand gun as well as the rifle and/ or shotgun for the rabbits and foxes (and maybe dingoes and snakes – apparently killing the cockatoos that can strip a tree is not allowed; query fruit bats). In youth I was in rifle teams for a couple of major trophies so I don’t have any relevant emotions – apart from regret at not having worn hearing protection.

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  • @Achmed E. Newman
    I keep up with the NRA magazine America's First Freedom. I've probably read more about those cases than you by a long shot, but it's not my favorite part of the magazine. The Heller decision struck down a ban against gun ownership in Washington, FS. There were follow-up cases regarding carrying and also the FS's ban on gun stores in the district shithole.

    You don't seem to take any long-term consideration of what happens when the registrations, limitations, and eventually confiscations start. It's not like you don't have an example, Wizard, in your own damn country for cryin' out loud. It's very recent history. Now, in formerly-Great formerly-Britain, they are implementing knife control which is kind of hilarious to us Americans who predicted this 20 - 30 years ago and were laughed at.

    "Oh, what a rube with this 'When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." bumper sticker!" they exclaimed. Now it's knives - do you people get the point yet, or are we gun-redneck-nuts being too obtuse for you all?

    Same point to make as about suicide…. Who wouldn’t prefer that a burglar or street thug had a knife rather than a gun?

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    For a street thug, I would prefer he had a knife, if I had a gun, and he was still > 5 yards away from me. Inside of that, I'd prefer to be 6' 6" with some MMA training.

    This is hopefully hypothetical for me, as I'd really prefer to know ahead of time that I'm in a bad spot, and this guy looks shady. Often just showing that one has a gun can put the kibosh on violent crime by non-professional thugs.

    For a burglar, a good dog is best, so that I'd at least know well ahead something is up. Then I wouldn't care so much what weapon he has once the glass starts breaking.
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  • Mr. Paul Kersey,
    Your fact-heavy output is appreciated sir. God bless.

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  • @Svigor

    Are there any restrictions you would favour being part of the law with respect to possession or ownership or buying and selling of guns – and enforced – that you would support? Age? Mental disability or insanity? Kind of weapons (bazookas? machine guns?)? Safe keeping? Where they may be carried (schools e.g )? Prior criminal record? Number of weapons without obtaining a special license? Kind of ammunition? Compulsory skills? Lending of firearms? Time interval for background checks?
     
    No. There are some I would tolerate, but if we're being honest they're all infringements on the 2nd Amendment.

    At a minimum, anything a cop can have is covered by the Second Amendment. Yeah, that includes belt-fed MG-42s, body armor and M16A2s.

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    How come you know that and SCOTUS doesn't? How come those dunderheads could have got it so wrong?
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  • @joef
    LOL, I think you watch too much television (despite being completely misguided, there is an innocence in your naïveté, that I find endearing).

    You are correct that detectives depend on community cooperation, but that does not mean they always get it. Many Black witnesses/victims legitimately fear reprisals since they reside in the same neighborhood as the offender. They can forward information anonymously to arrest an offender, but that anonymous info is not evidence for court room purposes. That is one reason why convictions are so low as compared to actual arrests, and arrests are lower than the actual criminal occurrences (which are not all reported).

    I truly hope (and I am being completely sincere about this) you never have to learn the hard way. ["Don't Put Your Hand On That Stove" !! but I know you won't listen]

    That is not unique among black populations. Nothing and I mean nothing you have mentioned is unique to black populations. Every word you have uttered is a factor among any population anywhere on the planet.

    Russians, Greeks, Yugoslavs, Ukrainians, Native Americans, Irish, Italians, Indians, white, black, brown, yellow, peach, tangerine . . . even non criminal entities practice closed dynamics . . .

    I am unclear where you and others get these peculiar notions about human behavior. It’s disconcerting that there are so many false narratives wading on the tips of tongues intelligent and powerful people. Watch any crime program — numerous stories of young students participating in murder, aware of the murder, know where the body is, take their friends to see the body and never say a word for months, years — white kids. rural farmers battle with criminal thieves, even rustlers who don’t rat each other out – despite being neighbors to the victims – whites.

    Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs. You are correct, I am naive — and I thank God that bitterness hasn’t completely eroded that bit of my character. But the comments I am making are common motifs and common knowledge.

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    I am unclear where you and others get these peculiar notions about human behavior.
     
    Uhh, ...world wary experiences in harsh reality (which at times were potentially life threatening).

    That is not unique among black populations.
     
    I did not make the claim that Black populations everywhere adhere to this; merely Blacks living in afro american urban ghettos, who follow their own rational self interest by not making themselves a target of retribution, for cooperating with the criminal justice system (but maybe I was not specific enough?).

    Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs.
     
    True, but generally Russians are an unique breed due to their exceptional toughness.

    You are correct, I am naive — and I thank God that bitterness hasn’t completely eroded that bit of my character. But the comments I am making are common motifs and common knowledge.
     
    Maybe you are better off to a certain extent, but it does leave you somewhat vulnerable (I never claimed I like the way I am, but simply a product of what was learned from my own & others tribulations; despite your past desperate attempts to deny their existence).

    So be it if you are unwilling to believe me (that is obviously your choice); however an over reliance on the latest social science theory may distort a true depiction of what is actually occurring, potentially compromising your future physical survival, not mine (many academic ideas fall out of favor, failing the test of time... An academic social theory that is unable to stand up to the scrutiny of daily uncontrived direct observation should be considered to be invalid).

    Some of the common motifs/knowledge may lack experience, and seem to be supported by preferred confirmation bias, untested against a brutal/unforgiving world (existential threats to your life has a way of eliminating ineffectual defense mechanisms). Just because one wishes to avoid thinking about uncomfortable truths does not negate their existence. Again (as in the past), I wish you luck.

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  • @Anon
    The farm towns of eastern Washington are full Of Mexicans. Dairy farmers in Vermont and Maine have imported Mexicans.

    Everywhere there is a farm, there is a White farmer employing Mexicans. The Tyson slaughterhouses in the south east, especially Georgia are full of Mexicans
    Wherever there is food there are Whites importing Mexicans and Central American Indians.

    “Everywhere there is a farm, there is a White farmer employing Mexicans.”

    Too true. Our neighbors in Western Washington were dairy farmers. All the family farms from the 1940-1950′s had sold out to the one Big Man left standing. He rented all their nice old homes to his Mexican help who were and are, essentially, serfs on his feudal manor. And I’m not speaking hyperbolically. They lived on his land, worked every day of the week, milked at all hours etc. American farming practice has returned to the Middle Ages.

    The Big Man drove around in his suburban, wore khakis and a polo shirt. Never got his hands dirty or his boots muddy. He told us one day, “I should have bought your farm when it came on the market”. We had purchased what was left, 5 acres, of what had been an old dairy farm that had been homesteaded by the original Swedish family for over a century.

    The Big Man didn’t want any small holders around because then he had to take some care when he sprayed, which was weekly. We still got doused in insecticide and fertilizer even though we would take precautions whenever we saw the spray trucks getting ready to do their thing.

    We are a long way from the Jeffersonian ideal of the small yeoman farmer. On the self sufficient farm a man, his wife and children became capable and strong by the demands, responsibilities and discipline that farming imposes on people. Now we are a nation that regards truly independent people as enemies to be stomped out, autarchic anachronisms.

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  • @AndrewR
    2018 leftism is, at its core, about dispossessing and disenfranchising white people. This clear fact drives a small subset of white people to react rationally, and an even smaller subset to overcompensate, but the left lumps all of these people together as Deplorables and uses them as a pretext to ramp up anti-white hate even more.

    Rednecks obsessed with guns are not representative of whites as a whole, nor of white right-wingers as a whole. And they're certainly politically powerless and not a threat to urban white-hating dindus like Damon Young. The NRA probably is too powerful, but it's certainly no more powerful than AIPAC, and it's a helluva lot less harmful.

    The NRA probably is too powerful, but it’s certainly no more powerful than AIPAC, and it’s a helluva lot less harmful.

    It is no coincidence that the NRA is a target while Planned Parenthood skates given that they both make roughly equal political contributions…

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  • @RadicalCenter
    It's terrible to say, but I wonder if pro-life people understand that this country would be inundated by Africans and become an incredibly violent African/Mexican-majority country without legal available abortion.

    Imagine the daily Hell and terror of life in a USA that was even 25% African, let alone 50%.

    Letting people of any race murder their babies before birth is no acceptable answer to anything if the woman's life is not in danger. The answer was NOT bringing the Africans here in the first place, or sending them back to Africa (a much bigger "Liberia" project) long ago. Too late, obviously.

    Now all of us have to put up with increased restrictions on our civil liberties and privacy -- including "gun control", constant surveillance, and excessive police power -- because a certain meaningful segment of the population actually can't be trusted with freedom (including many whites and Hispanics, of course, but a large highly disproportionate number of Africans).

    And some of us find ourselves saying very sad things like "without abortion, WE would be outnumbered and murdered by those 'sweet little babies' when they grow up."

    Laugh,

    Unfortunately,

    you are mistaking the events of 9/11 to black citizens. Furthermore, until perhaps, 9/11, no group has been under more scrutiny,. surveillance privacy violation and suspicion than blacks. The use of terrorism may be a convenient excuse to the attitudes of the black population — but that mess was the result of the leadership exclusively white tending to stoke fears for power position and war making . . . blaming black people for that is more than over the top.

    I am unclear why I am would entertain seriously anyone who supports murdering children in the womb – for any reason. You are afraid because less than .3% of blacks might, maybe, bump into you randomly and do an act of violence. Hey I understand irrational fears. It might be justified to that small percentage of whites who might that experience. But honestly, if that fear resides you — you might want to stop feeding it.

    One just has to get over the fact that blacks are the overwhelming legitimate concerns from whites. And while I think it is problematic – I would be a liar if I didn’t admit there’s whole sale justification. Far more by a solar systems breadth of justification. I have been schooled, taught in both private and public systems, worked among and with CEO’s and staff of private companies. And by far — it’s the black person at whim of whites regardless of their status, financial position or expertise. I won’t say that it is all justified, but the data sets back up that reality.

    Relax, whites have a long way to go before our society is equal enough for you to be afraid any black person instinctively.

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  • @EliteCommInc.
    Then I am afraid you have little understanding of how detectives and the police operate and why their success is largely dependent on community participation and cooperation.

    -----------------------------


    I should include Hollywood, actors, actresses, producers, writers, cartoonists, comedians, celebrity physicians . . . heck bent on no tattle telling . . .again, unless they are looking to scapegoat.

    Excuse my negligence -- news reporters, broadcasters, managers, producers . . . hair stylists, manicurists . . .

    LOL, I think you watch too much television (despite being completely misguided, there is an innocence in your naïveté, that I find endearing).

    You are correct that detectives depend on community cooperation, but that does not mean they always get it. Many Black witnesses/victims legitimately fear reprisals since they reside in the same neighborhood as the offender. They can forward information anonymously to arrest an offender, but that anonymous info is not evidence for court room purposes. That is one reason why convictions are so low as compared to actual arrests, and arrests are lower than the actual criminal occurrences (which are not all reported).

    I truly hope (and I am being completely sincere about this) you never have to learn the hard way. ["Don't Put Your Hand On That Stove" !! but I know you won't listen]

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    That is not unique among black populations. Nothing and I mean nothing you have mentioned is unique to black populations. Every word you have uttered is a factor among any population anywhere on the planet.


    Russians, Greeks, Yugoslavs, Ukrainians, Native Americans, Irish, Italians, Indians, white, black, brown, yellow, peach, tangerine . . . even non criminal entities practice closed dynamics . . .

    I am unclear where you and others get these peculiar notions about human behavior. It's disconcerting that there are so many false narratives wading on the tips of tongues intelligent and powerful people. Watch any crime program -- numerous stories of young students participating in murder, aware of the murder, know where the body is, take their friends to see the body and never say a word for months, years -- white kids. rural farmers battle with criminal thieves, even rustlers who don't rat each other out - despite being neighbors to the victims - whites.

    Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs. You are correct, I am naive -- and I thank God that bitterness hasn't completely eroded that bit of my character. But the comments I am making are common motifs and common knowledge.
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  • @sondjata
    "3. That blacks are actors more often against whites in criminal activity — is not an indication that blacks target whites — certainly not merely because they are white. It’s a simple state on interactions — as discussed."

    Willfull ignorance of the fact that many whites are in fact targeted because they are white makes for a poor argument. You should give Colin Flagherty a follow and then come back and revisit your commentary.

    You took the words right outta my mouth, Sondjata.

    I have been targeted with violence for being white, and the complex process I used to reach that conclusion is that the attacker was African in both cases and talked hateful “die white mother—–” crap to me while attacking me. Not amenable to any contrary interpretation.

    Elite, man, you are a smart guy with a lot of insights, but please don’t underestimate the extent of explicitly anti-white intimidation and violence in the USA nowadays. It’s not rare and it’s often not subtle or ambiguous.

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    With all sincerity, I am saddened that you experienced any manner of criminal act on your person ---


    I agree that said experience can be life changing and skewer one's a priori view of others. I would that I could say, I have had no such experience(s).
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  • @sondjata
    "3. That blacks are actors more often against whites in criminal activity — is not an indication that blacks target whites — certainly not merely because they are white. It’s a simple state on interactions — as discussed."

    Willfull ignorance of the fact that many whites are in fact targeted because they are white makes for a poor argument. You should give Colin Flagherty a follow and then come back and revisit your commentary.

    There’s this little practiced matter in criminal cases — it’s called motive. I noticed your comment has no references to just how that was determined. Just because get smacked in the head by a red head does not by itself mean I was attacked for being green eyed.

    Further, I have no doubt that some number of whites get attacked just for being white, but one cannot know that simply by looking at the numbers. That is the kind of simplistic explanation hijacks color game. The recorded history on such behavior clearly weighs against whites as to cause and is well documented.

    Note: I did not say it doesn’t happen. Apparently, you and the articles author are on the same shallow page — one of the vital issues when assessing criminal cases is motive. Sometimes motive is so hard to determine given the issues – that some locals don’t even require it.

    It would do well, not make arguments I am not making such as — color is not factor in criminal behavior against whites. I didn’t say that and I did not suggest that.

    What I said again — is that just because a black person has committed a crime against a white person does not mean it was motivated by the persons whiteness. The reason such cases are easier to make for black people is very simple — the vast national practice in which whites attacked blacks merely;y for being black:

    black on the beach
    black disrespect
    black dating flirting married to white person
    blacks seeking job
    black buying a home -0 wrong neighborhood
    black with money
    black with no money . . . .

    being black.

    The history of discrimination based on black anything is just a hard hurdle to ignore.

    If anyone needs reality check its anyone claiming that said color motivated crimes by blacks is in any manner the magnitude, scope and consequence in every aspect of citizenship the same for whites — even color is indicated as the motive.

    No my comments do not condone, excuse or in any manner suggest that such motivations (skin color alone) are justified.

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  • @AndrewR
    "Gun nut" is relative, certainly. A wealthy gun collector doesn't necessarily qualify even if he's spent 100,000 dollars on guns. Someone who enjoys shooting doesn't necessarily qualify. And it's insulting to me for you to imply that I even might classify that "white family" with a shotgun and a pistol as "gun-obsessed rednecks."

    I primarily was thinking of that type of nutjob who stores thousands of rounds of ammo for some Mad Max dystopian fantasy in which they style themselves heroes.

    Some fancy themselves heroes, to be sure. But the rest of us don’t expect that we will be able to buy ammunition, at least for quite a while, in the aftermath of a social-collapse event. And any available ammo probably would be terribly jacked up in price, depriving us of money needed for also-scarce and inflated-price food and water.

    Would it be smarter to risk running out of ammo, or running out of money to buy both food and ammo, if that situation persists for a long time?

    Some people who keep that much ammo on hand are nutty, but I’d wager most are not. Certainly there is nothing inherently illogical about keeping it on hand. Better to have and not need, than need and not have, as the old aphorism goes.

    Also, a couple can go to the range a couple times and fire off hundreds of handgun rounds practicing in a month. Could go shoot skeet or trap and use up over a hundred shotgun shells easily, as well.

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  • @Truth
    I think you should get some firsthand experience as to whether blacks can fuck or not, Bro. go to a black nightclub and run some game.
    Don't die wondering.

    Given the extremely high HIV infection rate in the African-American “community”, among other reasons, skip it.

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  • @Achmed E. Newman
    I keep up with the NRA magazine America's First Freedom. I've probably read more about those cases than you by a long shot, but it's not my favorite part of the magazine. The Heller decision struck down a ban against gun ownership in Washington, FS. There were follow-up cases regarding carrying and also the FS's ban on gun stores in the district shithole.

    You don't seem to take any long-term consideration of what happens when the registrations, limitations, and eventually confiscations start. It's not like you don't have an example, Wizard, in your own damn country for cryin' out loud. It's very recent history. Now, in formerly-Great formerly-Britain, they are implementing knife control which is kind of hilarious to us Americans who predicted this 20 - 30 years ago and were laughed at.

    "Oh, what a rube with this 'When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." bumper sticker!" they exclaimed. Now it's knives - do you people get the point yet, or are we gun-redneck-nuts being too obtuse for you all?

    Well said, Mr. Newman.

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  • @Pat Boyle
    I think that for most houses like mine at least a handgun and a long gun are needed. If there is an intruder a handgun is a whole lot easier to handle indoors. BTW I've pulled out my revolver twice to deter home invaders. It hasn't been just a theory for me. But if the action moves outside then you will probably want a long gun (rifle or shotgun). The Korean grocers had rifles. The store owners who stood outside in Ferguson also had rifles.

    I’m no gun expert at all, but I’m pretty sure that a shotgun is generally the way to go for indoor home defense. Have handguns, too, by all means, but the spray from a shotgun makes it harder to completely miss: best chance of at least wounding that home invader so he is slowed down and bleeds out or flees.

    So I’m told by people who are experienced shooters (both retired military officers, one a former instructor of a Gun Self-Defense Course for women, and they even make their own ammo with their own big-ass machine at home).

    I always find it sad to think about which guns are best at blowing people apart in different contexts and settings. “Man’s inhumanity to man” and all that. But then, it’s even sadder to think about what home invaders do to innocent people if they’re NOT met with firearms.

    By invading our home or business, the invader is the one ensuring that there may no good way out of the situation for either of us. F— ‘em.

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    If you like a shotgun - buy and keep a shotgun. I have a tactical shotgun but I've never pulled it out and pointed at a home invader. I have done that with home invaders with my handgun - twice.

    For the short ranges that are involved in most home defense the scatter of a shotgun is irrelevant, But shotguns are cost effective. You can get a perfectly lethal shotgun for peanuts. Don't bother with analysis - just get one and put it in your gun safe.

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  • @Joe Bloe
    I hate to back up comic book boy, but "No snitchin" while far more prevalent amongst blacks, is hardly a universal feature of all black communities.

    Dunno, in the USA, it seems to be nearly universal in their misnamed “communities.”

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  • @Macumazahn
    Well said, sir, and thank you for pointing out what I'll call my "myopia" on the subject.
    My own direct experience with blacks is largely restricted to my time living in Oakland CA some years ago. I have no experience with the sort of rural blacks that you speak of, although I will say that the very few blacks with whom I interact professionally are just as you describe. However, the majority of them are Caribbean imports, neither born nor raised in America.

    Well said, sir, and thank you for pointing out what I’ll call my “myopia” on the subject.
    My own direct experience with blacks is largely restricted to my time living in Oakland CA some years ago

    Well do not be too hard on yourself because unfortunately what you described earlier is the preponderance of behavior from afro americans (especially in Oakland, which is a rough town, definitely not cupcake). The urban ghetto version of radical afro predatory behavior is what dominates, and holds sway over the afro american culture (to which pandering progressives seem to contradictorily both praise it, but dismiss its occurrence).

    As such that is what is destabilizing our civilization with unsustainable debt (from the insatiable, ever increasing, welfare entitlements provided to afros at taxpayer expense, resulting in unpayable burdens for future unborn generations to come); and afro animosity that breeds contempt for its host society to the level of a de facto race war. When this enormous debt cannot be continued, and the free welfare checks stop being handed out to afros, the race war between us will most likely become a hot one.

    This is my dreaded fear, but stoically I accept it as almost inevitable, therefore I say we must prepare for this hardship. Humans go through low & high points in history, so this is not unusual (just depends where we are living in history). Our job in this wave of history is to carry it forward through the trough portion, so it may peak again. We may not benefit by seeing the next peak, but we can carryon so future generations can enjoy it benefits (and take it for granted again where it will begin to decline). Sorry I do not have a better answer, but it is what it is (hopefully human history will learn from its errors).

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  • @EliteCommInc.
    Demographics: the rate of change in the black population to the overall population is at 14% or 13%

    1% increase if categorizing blacks uniquely and (roughly)
    2% percentage points if one broadens the definition of black citizens.

    http://blackdemographics.com/ That rate of change suggests a fairly constant range to the overall population even to the 12.5% provided. I guess one could argue about what constitutes constant.

    It’s terrible to say, but I wonder if pro-life people understand that this country would be inundated by Africans and become an incredibly violent African/Mexican-majority country without legal available abortion.

    Imagine the daily Hell and terror of life in a USA that was even 25% African, let alone 50%.

    Letting people of any race murder their babies before birth is no acceptable answer to anything if the woman’s life is not in danger. The answer was NOT bringing the Africans here in the first place, or sending them back to Africa (a much bigger “Liberia” project) long ago. Too late, obviously.

    Now all of us have to put up with increased restrictions on our civil liberties and privacy — including “gun control”, constant surveillance, and excessive police power — because a certain meaningful segment of the population actually can’t be trusted with freedom (including many whites and Hispanics, of course, but a large highly disproportionate number of Africans).

    And some of us find ourselves saying very sad things like “without abortion, WE would be outnumbered and murdered by those ‘sweet little babies’ when they grow up.”

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    Laugh,


    Unfortunately,

    you are mistaking the events of 9/11 to black citizens. Furthermore, until perhaps, 9/11, no group has been under more scrutiny,. surveillance privacy violation and suspicion than blacks. The use of terrorism may be a convenient excuse to the attitudes of the black population -- but that mess was the result of the leadership exclusively white tending to stoke fears for power position and war making . . . blaming black people for that is more than over the top.

    I am unclear why I am would entertain seriously anyone who supports murdering children in the womb - for any reason. You are afraid because less than .3% of blacks might, maybe, bump into you randomly and do an act of violence. Hey I understand irrational fears. It might be justified to that small percentage of whites who might that experience. But honestly, if that fear resides you -- you might want to stop feeding it.

    One just has to get over the fact that blacks are the overwhelming legitimate concerns from whites. And while I think it is problematic - I would be a liar if I didn't admit there's whole sale justification. Far more by a solar systems breadth of justification. I have been schooled, taught in both private and public systems, worked among and with CEO's and staff of private companies. And by far -- it's the black person at whim of whites regardless of their status, financial position or expertise. I won't say that it is all justified, but the data sets back up that reality.


    Relax, whites have a long way to go before our society is equal enough for you to be afraid any black person instinctively.

    , @Anonymous
    You are one of a number of commenters who are anti- abortion. I am interested to know what your reasons are, apart from occasional bad effects on the mother or a potential father being upset. Since the Bible doesn't deal with it and abortion doesn't make sentient members of the community fear for their safety what is your argument? Is it one that you think should be enforced on those who disagree with it?
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  • @Anon
    The farm towns of eastern Washington are full Of Mexicans. Dairy farmers in Vermont and Maine have imported Mexicans.

    Everywhere there is a farm, there is a White farmer employing Mexicans. The Tyson slaughterhouses in the south east, especially Georgia are full of Mexicans
    Wherever there is food there are Whites importing Mexicans and Central American Indians.

    and Somalis, apparently, at some meat-processing plants in Arkansas and the like.

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  • @Anon
    The farm towns of eastern Washington are full Of Mexicans. Dairy farmers in Vermont and Maine have imported Mexicans.

    Everywhere there is a farm, there is a White farmer employing Mexicans. The Tyson slaughterhouses in the south east, especially Georgia are full of Mexicans
    Wherever there is food there are Whites importing Mexicans and Central American Indians.

    I’m not surprised to hear that. How sad. I don’t blame those folks for taking the jobs; how could I? But I blame the farmers, food processors, and other employers for selling us out.

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  • @Anon
    Elite comm seems to live in a White world where the people with Spanish last names are actually Spanish and the local government offices are not full of affirmative action blacks

    Maybe we should move to where he lives, seems like a nice guy and apparently has better local demographics than either of us ;)

    My mother is highly educated and has been all around North America and Europe, yet she still refers to all Hispanics, including indio and mestizo people, as “Spanish.”

    She is visiting us here in L.A. and recently described the people in a certain store nearby as “Spanish people” — to which I responded, “I wish.”

    I wonder how different America would be if our Hispanics were actually Europeans, i.e. Spaniards. Imagine replacing, say, forty million Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Guatemalans, Ecuadorans, Nicaraguans, etc., in the USA with Spaniards. (though hopefully not the ones from the part of Spain with that freeking lisp, is it Barcelona?)

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  • Are there any restrictions you would favour being part of the law with respect to possession or ownership or buying and selling of guns – and enforced – that you would support? Age? Mental disability or insanity? Kind of weapons (bazookas? machine guns?)? Safe keeping? Where they may be carried (schools e.g )? Prior criminal record? Number of weapons without obtaining a special license? Kind of ammunition? Compulsory skills? Lending of firearms? Time interval for background checks?

    No. There are some I would tolerate, but if we’re being honest they’re all infringements on the 2nd Amendment.

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    At a minimum, anything a cop can have is covered by the Second Amendment. Yeah, that includes belt-fed MG-42s, body armor and M16A2s.
    , @ANON
    Despite what Scalia J wrote for the court in Heller?
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  • I think that for most houses like mine at least a handgun and a long gun are needed. If there is an intruder a handgun is a whole lot easier to handle indoors. BTW I’ve pulled out my revolver twice to deter home invaders. It hasn’t been just a theory for me. But if the action moves outside then you will probably want a long gun (rifle or shotgun). The Korean grocers had rifles. The store owners who stood outside in Ferguson also had rifles.

    An AR “pistol” is a good compromise. Chambered in .300 AAC, the ballistics are still good down to 8″, and you can go much shorter if you want; in 5.56 you need a longer barrel, at least 10.5 to 11.5 inches.

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  • If the public narrative focuses on whites owning guns, there will not be enough “talk time” to discuss black males being hyper-violent and using them … to primarily kill each other it seems. Therefore, the narrative will be about evil whites owning guns rather than attributing the somber statistics to ethnic cultures or genes, which is forbidden in a relativist, counterfactual milieu that categorically declares (in the face of science) that race, gender, culture, and age are artificial social constructs.

    I recall reading part of a multi-volume History of the United States by Princeton University. It was written in the 1890s. It related two persistent problems in the Negro communities of the time … violence and drug use, primarily cocaine.

    It seems things change … but nothing changes.

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  • @Macumazahn
    "You want to blend in and be known as just another house with a couple guns."
    Why would you ever want anyone to know that your household contains more than one gun?
    Gone forever are the days of dozens of beautiful firearms proudly displayed in cases on the wall.

    Victims are not random. They are chosen. You can be the one with the gun free zone sign.

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  • @Anon
    Murders by blacks are mostly of other blacks. We thought you guys had a problem with being murdered, but if not, that's OK too, I guess.

    OK, now we’re getting somewhere.

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  • @EliteCommInc.
    First,
    I don't think my comments challenge crime rates.

    Second,
    my comments don't challenge the demographics of crime.

    Third,
    my comments don't claim that blacks are criminals because whites own the majority power stakes.


    My comments explicate (not the same as excusing) what the numbers most likely indicate.

    1. Most blacks don't challenge or don't care about the second amendment.
    2. crime is no unique characteristic of blacks -- a brief look at history will make that clear.
    3. That blacks are actors more often against whites in criminal activity -- is not an indication that blacks target whites -- certainly not merely because they are white. It's a simple state on interactions -- as discussed.
    4. Whites have little to fear from blacks wanting to take their guns - so that can kill them later -- there's no evidence to support it.
    5. The simplistic explanations regarding the stats have little if any veracity and I note why that is the case.
    6. Mounting these types of assails is indicative of some level of irrationality. With respect to violent crime various comments and the article suggest that nearly three hundred million whites in the country will be victims of 1.5% of blacks engaged in violent criminal behavior. Given what we now know about criminal behavior, most whites will never come into contact with violence at the hands of any black in fact the likelihood is 0.2615% -- not even a 1% chance of such an interaction. That percentage drops considerably when one starts looking at the distribution of said criminal actors. So if every single black person involved in criminal violent act were crammed into the same space as the 235,170,569.5 whites there would be less than a 0.3% chance of being a victim from a black person. Stratifying that population out across the country, diffuse it further by relational dynamics and the chances decrease considerably. Mounting a fear campaign based on those numbers is a tad, in my view irrational.
    7. When I was a young conservative I used to hop on these numbers in the same way. But eventually my course work took me through actually doing stats and evaluating stats and interpreting stats. And understanding what numbers mean in human relations be a tough row.



    I never sure how to respond to when someone takes one comment and juxtaposes it against an entirely different subject as you have done. I am never sure if the person is confused, , doesn't frasp when one argument in a series if not by cause related , whether that person is just being mischievous or deliberately manipulated context so as to make some "kneejerk" point. Whatever the dynamic in -- you have managed to misapply my comments on power stakeholders --


    That comment does not go to explicating criminal behavior. It applies to understanding why there seems to be so much panic among whites with increasing intensity. Especially the tendency to blame blacks. And I guess I would have continued to what I suspect is at the moment given the data an unseasoned fear of blacks. Now it is entirely possible one day the majority of blacks will begin campaigns against whites that whites engaged previously on them. I doubt it. There is little evidence to support it. Maybe. Which leads one to second guess -- what is the historical record of what whites have done that suggests turn about is fair play.

    “3. That blacks are actors more often against whites in criminal activity — is not an indication that blacks target whites — certainly not merely because they are white. It’s a simple state on interactions — as discussed.”

    Willfull ignorance of the fact that many whites are in fact targeted because they are white makes for a poor argument. You should give Colin Flagherty a follow and then come back and revisit your commentary.

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    There's this little practiced matter in criminal cases -- it's called motive. I noticed your comment has no references to just how that was determined. Just because get smacked in the head by a red head does not by itself mean I was attacked for being green eyed.


    Further, I have no doubt that some number of whites get attacked just for being white, but one cannot know that simply by looking at the numbers. That is the kind of simplistic explanation hijacks color game. The recorded history on such behavior clearly weighs against whites as to cause and is well documented.


    Note: I did not say it doesn't happen. Apparently, you and the articles author are on the same shallow page --- one of the vital issues when assessing criminal cases is motive. Sometimes motive is so hard to determine given the issues - that some locals don't even require it.


    It would do well, not make arguments I am not making such as --- color is not factor in criminal behavior against whites. I didn't say that and I did not suggest that.

    What I said again -- is that just because a black person has committed a crime against a white person does not mean it was motivated by the persons whiteness. The reason such cases are easier to make for black people is very simple --- the vast national practice in which whites attacked blacks merely;y for being black:

    black on the beach
    black disrespect
    black dating flirting married to white person
    blacks seeking job
    black buying a home -0 wrong neighborhood
    black with money
    black with no money . . . .

    being black.

    The history of discrimination based on black anything is just a hard hurdle to ignore.


    If anyone needs reality check its anyone claiming that said color motivated crimes by blacks is in any manner the magnitude, scope and consequence in every aspect of citizenship the same for whites -- even color is indicated as the motive.


    No my comments do not condone, excuse or in any manner suggest that such motivations (skin color alone) are justified.

    , @RadicalCenter
    You took the words right outta my mouth, Sondjata.

    I have been targeted with violence for being white, and the complex process I used to reach that conclusion is that the attacker was African in both cases and talked hateful "die white mother-----" crap to me while attacking me. Not amenable to any contrary interpretation.

    Elite, man, you are a smart guy with a lot of insights, but please don't underestimate the extent of explicitly anti-white intimidation and violence in the USA nowadays. It's not rare and it's often not subtle or ambiguous.
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  • @EliteCommInc.
    First,
    I don't think my comments challenge crime rates.

    Second,
    my comments don't challenge the demographics of crime.

    Third,
    my comments don't claim that blacks are criminals because whites own the majority power stakes.


    My comments explicate (not the same as excusing) what the numbers most likely indicate.

    1. Most blacks don't challenge or don't care about the second amendment.
    2. crime is no unique characteristic of blacks -- a brief look at history will make that clear.
    3. That blacks are actors more often against whites in criminal activity -- is not an indication that blacks target whites -- certainly not merely because they are white. It's a simple state on interactions -- as discussed.
    4. Whites have little to fear from blacks wanting to take their guns - so that can kill them later -- there's no evidence to support it.
    5. The simplistic explanations regarding the stats have little if any veracity and I note why that is the case.
    6. Mounting these types of assails is indicative of some level of irrationality. With respect to violent crime various comments and the article suggest that nearly three hundred million whites in the country will be victims of 1.5% of blacks engaged in violent criminal behavior. Given what we now know about criminal behavior, most whites will never come into contact with violence at the hands of any black in fact the likelihood is 0.2615% -- not even a 1% chance of such an interaction. That percentage drops considerably when one starts looking at the distribution of said criminal actors. So if every single black person involved in criminal violent act were crammed into the same space as the 235,170,569.5 whites there would be less than a 0.3% chance of being a victim from a black person. Stratifying that population out across the country, diffuse it further by relational dynamics and the chances decrease considerably. Mounting a fear campaign based on those numbers is a tad, in my view irrational.
    7. When I was a young conservative I used to hop on these numbers in the same way. But eventually my course work took me through actually doing stats and evaluating stats and interpreting stats. And understanding what numbers mean in human relations be a tough row.



    I never sure how to respond to when someone takes one comment and juxtaposes it against an entirely different subject as you have done. I am never sure if the person is confused, , doesn't frasp when one argument in a series if not by cause related , whether that person is just being mischievous or deliberately manipulated context so as to make some "kneejerk" point. Whatever the dynamic in -- you have managed to misapply my comments on power stakeholders --


    That comment does not go to explicating criminal behavior. It applies to understanding why there seems to be so much panic among whites with increasing intensity. Especially the tendency to blame blacks. And I guess I would have continued to what I suspect is at the moment given the data an unseasoned fear of blacks. Now it is entirely possible one day the majority of blacks will begin campaigns against whites that whites engaged previously on them. I doubt it. There is little evidence to support it. Maybe. Which leads one to second guess -- what is the historical record of what whites have done that suggests turn about is fair play.

    I take responsibility for any typing errors — speed for accuracy — my mistakes. If it is so bad as to be unintelligible

    laugh – there’s an in –

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  • @Joe Bloe
    LOL, such a comic book intellectual. But here are some simple facts to digest. Blacks commit 1/2 the US murders and have 8X the homicide rate of whites.
    But that is okay, because the amoral black excuse machine repeaters will barf out some bogus nonsense as:
    "Whites own the conditions and positions of power, If one wants to be serious about whiteness as actor to the benefit, then, one has to also take responsibility for white failures in vitally important ways. And blaming that on blacks who by and large do as the whites in power direct fails the accountability and logic test."

    First,
    I don’t think my comments challenge crime rates.

    Second,
    my comments don’t challenge the demographics of crime.

    Third,
    my comments don’t claim that blacks are criminals because whites own the majority power stakes.

    My comments explicate (not the same as excusing) what the numbers most likely indicate.

    1. Most blacks don’t challenge or don’t care about the second amendment.
    2. crime is no unique characteristic of blacks — a brief look at history will make that clear.
    3. That blacks are actors more often against whites in criminal activity — is not an indication that blacks target whites — certainly not merely because they are white. It’s a simple state on interactions — as discussed.
    4. Whites have little to fear from blacks wanting to take their guns – so that can kill them later — there’s no evidence to support it.
    5. The simplistic explanations regarding the stats have little if any veracity and I note why that is the case.
    6. Mounting these types of assails is indicative of some level of irrationality. With respect to violent crime various comments and the article suggest that nearly three hundred million whites in the country will be victims of 1.5% of blacks engaged in violent criminal behavior. Given what we now know about criminal behavior, most whites will never come into contact with violence at the hands of any black in fact the likelihood is 0.2615% — not even a 1% chance of such an interaction. That percentage drops considerably when one starts looking at the distribution of said criminal actors. So if every single black person involved in criminal violent act were crammed into the same space as the 235,170,569.5 whites there would be less than a 0.3% chance of being a victim from a black person. Stratifying that population out across the country, diffuse it further by relational dynamics and the chances decrease considerably. Mounting a fear campaign based on those numbers is a tad, in my view irrational.
    7. When I was a young conservative I used to hop on these numbers in the same way. But eventually my course work took me through actually doing stats and evaluating stats and interpreting stats. And understanding what numbers mean in human relations be a tough row.

    I never sure how to respond to when someone takes one comment and juxtaposes it against an entirely different subject as you have done. I am never sure if the person is confused, , doesn’t frasp when one argument in a series if not by cause related , whether that person is just being mischievous or deliberately manipulated context so as to make some “kneejerk” point. Whatever the dynamic in — you have managed to misapply my comments on power stakeholders –

    That comment does not go to explicating criminal behavior. It applies to understanding why there seems to be so much panic among whites with increasing intensity. Especially the tendency to blame blacks. And I guess I would have continued to what I suspect is at the moment given the data an unseasoned fear of blacks. Now it is entirely possible one day the majority of blacks will begin campaigns against whites that whites engaged previously on them. I doubt it. There is little evidence to support it. Maybe. Which leads one to second guess — what is the historical record of what whites have done that suggests turn about is fair play.

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    I take responsibility for any typing errors -- speed for accuracy -- my mistakes. If it is so bad as to be unintelligible

    laugh - there's an in --


    I will answer any press to do so.
    , @sondjata
    "3. That blacks are actors more often against whites in criminal activity — is not an indication that blacks target whites — certainly not merely because they are white. It’s a simple state on interactions — as discussed."

    Willfull ignorance of the fact that many whites are in fact targeted because they are white makes for a poor argument. You should give Colin Flagherty a follow and then come back and revisit your commentary.
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  • @Jesse James
    Who constitutes being labeled a gun-obsessed redneck in your premise? Is it a wealthy white man living in a gated community in the white suburbs who owns a large, high-dollar hunting rifle collection? Is it a lower-income man who lives in a trailer in an unincorporated county area who owns 2 or 3 firearms and practices regularly, because he dug out a small range on his own property? Or, is it a white family who owns a Mossberg 500 20gau. shotgun and a Taurus 9mm, because they live in a neighborhood or small city in close proximity to one of the USA's violence-prone urban Wakandas such as Kansas City, Philadelphia, Houston, Atlanta or Chicago?

    “Gun nut” is relative, certainly. A wealthy gun collector doesn’t necessarily qualify even if he’s spent 100,000 dollars on guns. Someone who enjoys shooting doesn’t necessarily qualify. And it’s insulting to me for you to imply that I even might classify that “white family” with a shotgun and a pistol as “gun-obsessed rednecks.”

    I primarily was thinking of that type of nutjob who stores thousands of rounds of ammo for some Mad Max dystopian fantasy in which they style themselves heroes.

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    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Some fancy themselves heroes, to be sure. But the rest of us don't expect that we will be able to buy ammunition, at least for quite a while, in the aftermath of a social-collapse event. And any available ammo probably would be terribly jacked up in price, depriving us of money needed for also-scarce and inflated-price food and water.

    Would it be smarter to risk running out of ammo, or running out of money to buy both food and ammo, if that situation persists for a long time?

    Some people who keep that much ammo on hand are nutty, but I'd wager most are not. Certainly there is nothing inherently illogical about keeping it on hand. Better to have and not need, than need and not have, as the old aphorism goes.

    Also, a couple can go to the range a couple times and fire off hundreds of handgun rounds practicing in a month. Could go shoot skeet or trap and use up over a hundred shotgun shells easily, as well.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    RadicalCenter's reply is good enough, but I will add "do you know what a thousand rounds is?" Let's just talk .22LR. One could have just 1/2 a carton (say 1 ft x 18" x 6" high), open on top with maybe 20 boxes of 550 rounds apiece. That's over 10,000, but is that an "arsenal"? According to the Lyin' Press it is, but it may just just a stock up at a good price that could last for 6 months or a year for the family to go plinking regularly.

    If you're worried about the future, you don't want to imitate Mad Max, BTW. He was not really ready for what happened to his family in the 1st movie, and in the 2nd movie, none of those guys were preppers - it was a real shit-show. No, having various calibers bought at reasonable prices well before TSHTF is just common sense. The .22 LR may even serve as a good currency for a while after the US $ goes down the toilet - and it will.
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  • @jakealope
    "Well so I’ve been told. Do you know from firsthand experience?"
    One just has to look at the HIGH STD, rape and illegitimacy rates of blacks to see a trend.

    I think you should get some firsthand experience as to whether blacks can fuck or not, Bro. go to a black nightclub and run some game.
    Don’t die wondering.

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    Given the extremely high HIV infection rate in the African-American "community", among other reasons, skip it.
    , @jakealope
    Sex is one of those simple animalistic things blacks excel at, like dancing and fighting. But you sound like you are on the downlow too
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  • @Truth

    the solution to non-Whites murdering Whites is straightforward and simple.
     
    Great, then I would suggest you stop hiding behind a psudeonym and start standing on tables with a megaphone, Jimmy Hoffa!

    Imagine what a hero you will be to those 630 white folks who were killed by Knee-grows last year!

    Murders by blacks are mostly of other blacks. We thought you guys had a problem with being murdered, but if not, that’s OK too, I guess.

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    OK, now we're getting somewhere.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    You can indeed read it but without a lawyer's help you evidently can't understand it. Why is that so clear?

    First because you haven't understood - probably not read - the Heller Case you cite and therefore don't understand that it doesn't support your version of what the Second Amendment means; and specifically because

    Second, your bolding of "shall not be infringed" [notably the word "infringed"] can only be understood as meaning that you think it is saying "shall not be limited". And that is just plain wrong. Everything I wrote about as possible small gun control measures would be OK if you read and understand the lead judgment of Justice Scalia. The following contains relevant quotes from his judgment:

    http://bigthink.com/risk-reason-and-reality/the-supreme-court-ruling-on-the-2nd-amendment-did-not-grant-an-unlimited-right-to-own-guns

    Please don't think you can do without a lawyer if you are ever charged with a firearms offence.

    I keep up with the NRA magazine America’s First Freedom. I’ve probably read more about those cases than you by a long shot, but it’s not my favorite part of the magazine. The Heller decision struck down a ban against gun ownership in Washington, FS. There were follow-up cases regarding carrying and also the FS’s ban on gun stores in the district shithole.

    You don’t seem to take any long-term consideration of what happens when the registrations, limitations, and eventually confiscations start. It’s not like you don’t have an example, Wizard, in your own damn country for cryin’ out loud. It’s very recent history. Now, in formerly-Great formerly-Britain, they are implementing knife control which is kind of hilarious to us Americans who predicted this 20 – 30 years ago and were laughed at.

    “Oh, what a rube with this ‘When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.” bumper sticker!” they exclaimed. Now it’s knives – do you people get the point yet, or are we gun-redneck-nuts being too obtuse for you all?

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    Well said, Mr. Newman.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Same point to make as about suicide.... Who wouldn't prefer that a burglar or street thug had a knife rather than a gun?
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Are there any restrictions you would favour being part of the law with respect to possession or ownership or buying and selling of guns - and enforced - that you would support? Age? Mental disability or insanity? Kind of weapons (bazookas? machine guns?)? Safe keeping? Where they may be carried (schools e.g )? Prior criminal record? Number of weapons without obtaining a special license? Kind of ammunition? Compulsory skills? Lending of firearms? Time interval for background checks?

    No.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    When you take your busy hands off your..... typewriter and switch your brain on you could reduce your reply to acknowledging that attempting suicide with a gun is likely to achieve death more reliably than attempts by the other means. The favoured way in rural Australia is with a shotgun in the mouth. Being found with your brains blown out is less likely to have people talking about a "cry for help" than being found in bed with an empty bottle of sleeping tablets next to you.

    I won’t argue with your statement that a shotgun in the mouth is the more likely way of suicide in rural Australia. Fine. It’s just bullshit to say that that’s the easier way. I don’t think either was is a cry for help – more like a cry for come contractor to come and redo the carpets in the former case along with a cry for a funeral director in both case.

    How do you think that using a gun is more reliable than taking a bunch of pills, unless you are very poor with math? Anyone can look up how much of whatever medicine is enough to kill, and double it (as if you were tallying up an estimate from your car mechanic). Keep your body weight in mind – if you are light, just go with an ordinary dose; if you’re one of those full-figured gals, buy an extra bottle. (I don’t think I’d be worried about the extra cost at that point.)

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  • @Truth
    No simple stuff, Old Sport. One line signifies "magnitude", another "direction."

    So draw your two vectors indicating "black" and "white" measure the cosines and you will have it.

    LOL

    Thanks for the instruction.

    Things must have changed in the study of vectors since I attended college. We were taught that, by definition, a vector had both magnitude and a direction. I guess I should try harder to keep abreast of new developments.

    In the mean time, if it wouldn’t be too much bother, would you mind instructing me as to just what angle should separate my black vector from the white vector? That would seem to be crucial, seeing as we’re taking the cosine and all.

    I mean for example, if they’re drawn perpendicular to each other, then the cosine is zero, meaning I suppose, there’s no overlap, no commonality, at all. The two races are doomed to function at proverbial cross purposes. And of course, the opposite case, if the angle is near zero, then the cosine becomes one, unity, indicating, I suppose, the happy state of synergistic superposition of interests.

    In light of the foregoing I’m curious to know just what value you assigned to the angle in your own construction?

    And finally–though I hesitate to admit it , because it shows just how slowly my mental gears grind–would you be kind enough to tell me just what it is I “will have” when I’m through with this rigorous proof?

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Good to hear the views of an American who isn't of the antigun left and who doesn't simply glaze over and go into some fugue state at the suggestion of gun control. A couple of replies to me ignore completely that I realise America starts from a unique situation and only chipping away at the problem is possible or desirable for the forseeable future.

    Remembering how like safe parts of Australia it was when I stayed in Greenwich (or was it Old Greennwich) CT and in Aiken SC - not even doors locked - I am sensitive to different experiences. I suppose Australia has its black gun problem except that the criminsls aren't black but old fashioned criminal cliques who largely shoot each other with guns which aren't impossible to obtain illegally. You may have noted that the Sudanese refugeee gangs which are blamed for carjackings and home invasions in Melbourne (population 4.5 million) don't appear to have guns at all. It is something not to have to even consider whether one should buy a gun for self protection in Australia though I think I would if living in a remote area in a house with stuff worth stealing.

    I don’t know about conditions in Australia. I know about the situation here in California.

    I used to have a little revolver when I lived in San Francisco on Russian Hill (good neighborhood). I had reason to use it twice. The first time there was a sniper – probably a lunatic – who set up a shooting nest about twenty feet from our bedroom. I took the wife to the other side of the apartment and sat on the floor below window level and waited for the Tact Squad. It was very comforting to have that gun in my hand while I waited for the cops to come.

    A year or so later there was a guy who was trying to open my bedroom window and come in. I sallied forth with my little .32 revolver in hand and screamed at him. I lied. I yelled that I had a .45 and I was coming around the corner. He took off over the fence.

    Now I live in Oakland and wait for the quake. The Hayward Fault is a couple blocks away. The government says it will soon slip. At that time I expect that my all-white neighborhood will be invaded by darker skinned people from lower down the hill. People who haven’t prepared. I have a weeks worth of food and water and a couple guns. Everyone around here has guns.

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    Sounds rational and indeed reasonable. My widowed mother had a very rich cattle owning paaaartner late in life. He was a small old man but he surprised me by saying he had a (licensed) small revolver as he lived nornally in one if Australia's safest cities. If I lived off the beaten track in the country I think I might, especially past youth and strength, acquire a hand gun as well as the rifle and/ or shotgun for the rabbits and foxes (and maybe dingoes and snakes - apparently killing the cockatoos that can strip a tree is not allowed; query fruit bats). In youth I was in rifle teams for a couple of major trophies so I don't have any relevant emotions - apart from regret at not having worn hearing protection.
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  • @Macumazahn
    "You want to blend in and be known as just another house with a couple guns."
    Why would you ever want anyone to know that your household contains more than one gun?
    Gone forever are the days of dozens of beautiful firearms proudly displayed in cases on the wall.

    I think that for most houses like mine at least a handgun and a long gun are needed. If there is an intruder a handgun is a whole lot easier to handle indoors. BTW I’ve pulled out my revolver twice to deter home invaders. It hasn’t been just a theory for me. But if the action moves outside then you will probably want a long gun (rifle or shotgun). The Korean grocers had rifles. The store owners who stood outside in Ferguson also had rifles.

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    I'm no gun expert at all, but I'm pretty sure that a shotgun is generally the way to go for indoor home defense. Have handguns, too, by all means, but the spray from a shotgun makes it harder to completely miss: best chance of at least wounding that home invader so he is slowed down and bleeds out or flees.

    So I'm told by people who are experienced shooters (both retired military officers, one a former instructor of a Gun Self-Defense Course for women, and they even make their own ammo with their own big-ass machine at home).

    I always find it sad to think about which guns are best at blowing people apart in different contexts and settings. "Man's inhumanity to man" and all that. But then, it's even sadder to think about what home invaders do to innocent people if they're NOT met with firearms.

    By invading our home or business, the invader is the one ensuring that there may no good way out of the situation for either of us. F--- 'em.

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  • @Achmed E. Newman

    ... and only chipping away at the problem is possible or desirable for the forseeable future.
     
    It's NOT AT ALL desirable. You seem aware enough of the reasons American's want to keep their guns, and you may have some small inkling of why one may need a gun down under too, where they've been mostly confiscated over the last 20-odd years.

    How come you can't put 2 and 2 together, Wizard? We do NOT WANT what happened in Australia, and we luckily had some forefathers who foresaw the problems with being unarmed subjects and put their solution in writing. That doesn't mean it will hold up forever, not with the imported populations of recent years. However, we'll do our damndest to keep anyone from :chipping away" at it.

    You mention the REAL PROBLEM, the type of people in a society. Why don't you write about chipping away at the actual problem, not chipping away at the solution? Your Australian logic is as distastful to me as a jar of vegemite.

    Are there any restrictions you would favour being part of the law with respect to possession or ownership or buying and selling of guns – and enforced – that you would support? Age? Mental disability or insanity? Kind of weapons (bazookas? machine guns?)? Safe keeping? Where they may be carried (schools e.g )? Prior criminal record? Number of weapons without obtaining a special license? Kind of ammunition? Compulsory skills? Lending of firearms? Time interval for background checks?

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    No.
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  • @Achmed E. Newman
    The great thing about the US Constitution is that you don't need to be a lawyer to read it. If you couldn't understand this one sentence that I pasted in for you, you're pretty hopeless. Could you give more suggestions for Australian politics? Our gun rights are really none of your business, but, additionally, your logic is unsound.

    BTW, why don't your read up on the "Heller" case, supported by the NRA against the unconstitutional restrictions that had been set up by Washington, FS, and a follow-up case, if you're into that sort of thing. I don't care - I can read Amendment II without the help of a lawyer.

    You can indeed read it but without a lawyer’s help you evidently can’t understand it. Why is that so clear?

    First because you haven’t understood – probably not read – the Heller Case you cite and therefore don’t understand that it doesn’t support your version of what the Second Amendment means; and specifically because

    Second, your bolding of “shall not be infringed” [notably the word "infringed"] can only be understood as meaning that you think it is saying “shall not be limited”. And that is just plain wrong. Everything I wrote about as possible small gun control measures would be OK if you read and understand the lead judgment of Justice Scalia. The following contains relevant quotes from his judgment:

    http://bigthink.com/risk-reason-and-reality/the-supreme-court-ruling-on-the-2nd-amendment-did-not-grant-an-unlimited-right-to-own-guns

    Please don’t think you can do without a lawyer if you are ever charged with a firearms offence.

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I keep up with the NRA magazine America's First Freedom. I've probably read more about those cases than you by a long shot, but it's not my favorite part of the magazine. The Heller decision struck down a ban against gun ownership in Washington, FS. There were follow-up cases regarding carrying and also the FS's ban on gun stores in the district shithole.

    You don't seem to take any long-term consideration of what happens when the registrations, limitations, and eventually confiscations start. It's not like you don't have an example, Wizard, in your own damn country for cryin' out loud. It's very recent history. Now, in formerly-Great formerly-Britain, they are implementing knife control which is kind of hilarious to us Americans who predicted this 20 - 30 years ago and were laughed at.

    "Oh, what a rube with this 'When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." bumper sticker!" they exclaimed. Now it's knives - do you people get the point yet, or are we gun-redneck-nuts being too obtuse for you all?
    , @Jesse James
    The Militia is the People and not the treasury-draining army. It does not matter whether the 2nd Amend. was originally put there to put down slave revolts, foreign invasions, enable hunting or to give pause to a post-WWII non-elected Neo-liberal predatory cabal such as the one that now runs the US. The 2nd Amend. is an Inalienable Right for defense of the individual citizen against two-legged predators- no matter their origin. The violence- prone hunter-gatherer US Afro sub-population that has been purposely dispersed by the US government into the White suburbs of the US is a reason to have privately owned firearms.
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  • James Baldwin, perhaps the most influential black literary figure of the last century, confessed in Notes of a Native Son that blacks feel alienated and inferior no matter where they travel in the modern world. Each black person, he mourned, is but a “stranger in their village,” a global village shaped by others—especially by whites....
  • @jakealope
    You're an uneducated racist idjit who doesn't have the capacity to understand that all cultures build off of previous cultures. You run on about gun powder yet the white men took it from China and developed muskets to rapid fire machine-guns, while the Chinese never used gunpowder in a simple cannon. Ditto with Math. Euros discovered the laws of gravity and Calculus while the Arab inbreds took the most advanced part of the Old World and its knowledge and ran it into the ground

    “all cultures build off of previous cultures.” AND CERTAIN white ones, and the Japanese, do it the best.

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  • Media claim white men are the problem; the facts say otherwise. The Second Amendment is under siege. In the New York Times, retired Supreme Court justice John Paul Stevens urged its repeal. A national survey conducted by The Economist and YouGov found 21 percent of Americans support repealing the Second Amendment. Not surprisingly, support varies...
  • @Achmed E. Newman

    Gun suicide is a special problem resulting from proliferation of guns because guns tend to do the job better than wrist slashing or sleeping pills.
     
    Really now? I could not see how in the hell it's easier to kill one's self with a gun vs. a bottle of sleeping pills, and I knew someone who tried the latter (got her pumped out and good to go).

    Guns: You may have one, but if you don't you may need to come up with a good reason to borrow one (especially if friends/family see that you are off kilter). You're gonna need a handgun, I suppose, too, unless you are the engineering type, who usually don't get suicidal anyway. It's gonna be messy, even if it works. If it doesn't work right, you may paralyze yourself for life or at least disfigure yourself. Then you've got that going for you. It might hurt A WHOLE LOT before you die!

    Pills: Just go to a few different drugstores if you need lots of them. Drugstores are all over the place now - there are too damn many in fact, so the chains are consolidating. It's very easy - get a big glass of water, put on some Enya music, if that's your thing, or maybe some Smashing Pumpkins, and start swallowing. There will be no pain, at least from what I heard from Mr. Pink Floyd. ("There is no pain, you are receding ... ")

    I hope you got to the horse races in Aiken, or at least got to do some drinking (we never saw any actual horses at the races).

    When you take your busy hands off your….. typewriter and switch your brain on you could reduce your reply to acknowledging that attempting suicide with a gun is likely to achieve death more reliably than attempts by the other means. The favoured way in rural Australia is with a shotgun in the mouth. Being found with your brains blown out is less likely to have people talking about a “cry for help” than being found in bed with an empty bottle of sleeping tablets next to you.

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    I won't argue with your statement that a shotgun in the mouth is the more likely way of suicide in rural Australia. Fine. It's just bullshit to say that that's the easier way. I don't think either was is a cry for help - more like a cry for come contractor to come and redo the carpets in the former case along with a cry for a funeral director in both case.

    How do you think that using a gun is more reliable than taking a bunch of pills, unless you are very poor with math? Anyone can look up how much of whatever medicine is enough to kill, and double it (as if you were tallying up an estimate from your car mechanic). Keep your body weight in mind - if you are light, just go with an ordinary dose; if you're one of those full-figured gals, buy an extra bottle. (I don't think I'd be worried about the extra cost at that point.)
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  • @ThreeCranes
    "vector math, my friend...."

    Okay.....

    2D? 3D? 9D? Are you adding them? Taking dot products? Cross products? Using matrices?

    I'm all ears.

    No simple stuff, Old Sport. One line signifies “magnitude”, another “direction.”

    So draw your two vectors indicating “black” and “white” measure the cosines and you will have it.

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    LOL

    Thanks for the instruction.

    Things must have changed in the study of vectors since I attended college. We were taught that, by definition, a vector had both magnitude and a direction. I guess I should try harder to keep abreast of new developments.

    In the mean time, if it wouldn't be too much bother, would you mind instructing me as to just what angle should separate my black vector from the white vector? That would seem to be crucial, seeing as we're taking the cosine and all.

    I mean for example, if they're drawn perpendicular to each other, then the cosine is zero, meaning I suppose, there's no overlap, no commonality, at all. The two races are doomed to function at proverbial cross purposes. And of course, the opposite case, if the angle is near zero, then the cosine becomes one, unity, indicating, I suppose, the happy state of synergistic superposition of interests.

    In light of the foregoing I'm curious to know just what value you assigned to the angle in your own construction?

    And finally--though I hesitate to admit it , because it shows just how slowly my mental gears grind--would you be kind enough to tell me just what it is I "will have" when I'm through with this rigorous proof?
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  • @Macumazahn
    It's a difficult question, and not just as it relates to guns and the 2nd Amendment.
    How can we simultaneously maintain liberty and apply the laws equally to everyone, when there's a large and easily-identifiable subgroup that simply can't be bothered to obey the law?
    My own preferred answer would be to enforce existing (already liberty-infringing) laws very strictly, and with draconian penalties. Sadly, that doesn't appear to be feasible - especially in the current year. Perhaps the science of HBD will lead to a Gattaca-like future in which that troublesome subgroup is identified and stripped of some of the rights that the rest of us enjoy? Hope springs eternal, but I think it's much more likely that we'll all be tarred with the same black brush - thereby losing the only real check on the coercive power of government. Of course, that's the very result that the Left seeks.

    The long-term solution, never to be implemented before some kind of massive societal upheaval, would be a complete roll-back of the welfare state. These black thugs are around to begin with because people have no reason to be responsible in their reproduction, and one can live the thug life instead being forced to live a productive life by “the cruel world”.

    Shorter-term, only more separation would help the white people who don’t “get to” live in the gated (AND GUARDED) communities. I agree with Joef that the decent black people are in the worst situation. White people don’t want them around due to who comes with them, and they don’t want the violent blacks to live near them either.

    We’re in a pretty big jam, that’s for sure.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Your excuse presumably is lack of anything like a first year law student's ability to read and understand words. Evidently you don't know that your courts have not interpreted the Second Amendment as you seem to imagine. The conservative originalist Scalia J's judgments would be particularly helpful in relieving your ignorance.

    The great thing about the US Constitution is that you don’t need to be a lawyer to read it. If you couldn’t understand this one sentence that I pasted in for you, you’re pretty hopeless. Could you give more suggestions for Australian politics? Our gun rights are really none of your business, but, additionally, your logic is unsound.

    BTW, why don’t your read up on the “Heller” case, supported by the NRA against the unconstitutional restrictions that had been set up by Washington, FS, and a follow-up case, if you’re into that sort of thing. I don’t care – I can read Amendment II without the help of a lawyer.

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    You can indeed read it but without a lawyer's help you evidently can't understand it. Why is that so clear?

    First because you haven't understood - probably not read - the Heller Case you cite and therefore don't understand that it doesn't support your version of what the Second Amendment means; and specifically because

    Second, your bolding of "shall not be infringed" [notably the word "infringed"] can only be understood as meaning that you think it is saying "shall not be limited". And that is just plain wrong. Everything I wrote about as possible small gun control measures would be OK if you read and understand the lead judgment of Justice Scalia. The following contains relevant quotes from his judgment:

    http://bigthink.com/risk-reason-and-reality/the-supreme-court-ruling-on-the-2nd-amendment-did-not-grant-an-unlimited-right-to-own-guns

    Please don't think you can do without a lawyer if you are ever charged with a firearms offence.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Good to hear the views of an American who isn't of the antigun left and who doesn't simply glaze over and go into some fugue state at the suggestion of gun control. A couple of replies to me ignore completely that I realise America starts from a unique situation and only chipping away at the problem is possible or desirable for the forseeable future.

    Remembering how like safe parts of Australia it was when I stayed in Greenwich (or was it Old Greennwich) CT and in Aiken SC - not even doors locked - I am sensitive to different experiences. I suppose Australia has its black gun problem except that the criminsls aren't black but old fashioned criminal cliques who largely shoot each other with guns which aren't impossible to obtain illegally. You may have noted that the Sudanese refugeee gangs which are blamed for carjackings and home invasions in Melbourne (population 4.5 million) don't appear to have guns at all. It is something not to have to even consider whether one should buy a gun for self protection in Australia though I think I would if living in a remote area in a house with stuff worth stealing.

    … and only chipping away at the problem is possible or desirable for the forseeable future.

    It’s NOT AT ALL desirable. You seem aware enough of the reasons American’s want to keep their guns, and you may have some small inkling of why one may need a gun down under too, where they’ve been mostly confiscated over the last 20-odd years.

    How come you can’t put 2 and 2 together, Wizard? We do NOT WANT what happened in Australia, and we luckily had some forefathers who foresaw the problems with being unarmed subjects and put their solution in writing. That doesn’t mean it will hold up forever, not with the imported populations of recent years. However, we’ll do our damndest to keep anyone from :chipping away” at it.

    You mention the REAL PROBLEM, the type of people in a society. Why don’t you write about chipping away at the actual problem, not chipping away at the solution? Your Australian logic is as distastful to me as a jar of vegemite.

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    Are there any restrictions you would favour being part of the law with respect to possession or ownership or buying and selling of guns - and enforced - that you would support? Age? Mental disability or insanity? Kind of weapons (bazookas? machine guns?)? Safe keeping? Where they may be carried (schools e.g )? Prior criminal record? Number of weapons without obtaining a special license? Kind of ammunition? Compulsory skills? Lending of firearms? Time interval for background checks?
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    You don't seem to have understood what I was suggesting. My reply to one who did is #69. There's a lot to be said for not feeling the need to own a gun to defend oneself against gun-armed criminals. As in 99 per cent of Australia (by population). You could find such places to live in your very large and diverse country without being in a gated community..... Note too: Gun suicide is a special problem resulting from proliferation of guns because guns tend to do the job better than wrist slashing or sleeping pills.

    Gun suicide is a special problem resulting from proliferation of guns because guns tend to do the job better than wrist slashing or sleeping pills.

    Really now? I could not see how in the hell it’s easier to kill one’s self with a gun vs. a bottle of sleeping pills, and I knew someone who tried the latter (got her pumped out and good to go).

    Guns: You may have one, but if you don’t you may need to come up with a good reason to borrow one (especially if friends/family see that you are off kilter). You’re gonna need a handgun, I suppose, too, unless you are the engineering type, who usually don’t get suicidal anyway. It’s gonna be messy, even if it works. If it doesn’t work right, you may paralyze yourself for life or at least disfigure yourself. Then you’ve got that going for you. It might hurt A WHOLE LOT before you die!

    Pills: Just go to a few different drugstores if you need lots of them. Drugstores are all over the place now – there are too damn many in fact, so the chains are consolidating. It’s very easy – get a big glass of water, put on some Enya music, if that’s your thing, or maybe some Smashing Pumpkins, and start swallowing. There will be no pain, at least from what I heard from Mr. Pink Floyd. (“There is no pain, you are receding … “)

    I hope you got to the horse races in Aiken, or at least got to do some drinking (we never saw any actual horses at the races).

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    When you take your busy hands off your..... typewriter and switch your brain on you could reduce your reply to acknowledging that attempting suicide with a gun is likely to achieve death more reliably than attempts by the other means. The favoured way in rural Australia is with a shotgun in the mouth. Being found with your brains blown out is less likely to have people talking about a "cry for help" than being found in bed with an empty bottle of sleeping tablets next to you.
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  • @Truth
    No my friend, there are x- number of whites and x- number of blacks in this country; This is the case when whites murder blacks and it is the case when blacks murder whites. To which you will say:

    Buh...buh...buh... Truth, There are many more whites in this country so they should be murdering more blacks...

    Illogical, they have less black targets that white ones.

    Buh...buh...buh...Truth, there are many less blacks in this country, they should not be murdering so many whites,

    Illogical, they have more white targets than black ones.

    Somewhat simple vector math, my friend...


    I’ll grant you one thing; you Africans have always been good at one thing and that’s f*cking.
     

    Well so I've been told. Do you know from firsthand experience?

    “Well so I’ve been told. Do you know from firsthand experience?”
    One just has to look at the HIGH STD, rape and illegitimacy rates of blacks to see a trend.

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    I think you should get some firsthand experience as to whether blacks can fuck or not, Bro. go to a black nightclub and run some game.
    Don't die wondering.
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  • @Truth
    So the Khazars keep telling you.

    But hey, their IQs are much higher.

    By Khazar, you are elliptically referring to the Jews in a racist pseudo-intellectual way? Funny because the Jew hating whites blame the “Khazars” for covering up black crime & using black thugs to enforce “ZOG” and to create the “white genocide”.
    No I arrived at that conclusion by living in cities that were progressively ruined by blacks and their destructive criminal ways, aided by fathead white progressives. But the blacks had a way of deflecting from their manifold shortcomings by blaming whites for even the bad black behavior; that they ALSO encouraged!
    Like when one points out how horrible black schools are, that are now even run by blacks, they barf out nonsense that some crypto KKK is expelling too many brainless thugs. Or they’ll remind you of old ante-bellum laws in some southern state that prevented blacks from being educated. You’d think given those ancient laws and the general impression that black students are stupid and undisciplined, the average black school would do its best to fight those trends and produce qualified disciplined black grads. Instead, we get black frauds like DC’s Ballou HS where in 2017 even illiterates who skipped the whole year graduate AND THEN got into college!
    Black “education” is a the proverbial leading a horse to water but he won’t drink. Instead the horse urinates in the trough.

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  • @Svigor

    EliteCommInc. says:
    April 12, 2018 at 2:39 am GMT • 200 Words
    @Svigor

    Laugh.

    Your number two argument at the bottom includes that suggestion that blacks have some unique practice about not reporting on one’s fellows. One of Miss Ann Coulter’s and Miss Laura Ingrham’s contends from days of old. A small list of the cukltures which in engage in no telling on each other:
     
    I can think of no human behaviors that are binary by race. That said, "no snitchin" really is a thing, enforced by murder and intimidation, in the Black community. It really isn't a thing in the White community. The words we bandy won't change that.

    I hate to back up comic book boy, but “No snitchin” while far more prevalent amongst blacks, is hardly a universal feature of all black communities.

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    Dunno, in the USA, it seems to be nearly universal in their misnamed "communities."
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  • @EliteCommInc.
    Laugh.

    but it is not uncommon for people to misconstrue what the numbers means. Many here are convinced that they are under some unique threat from blacks --- because you incorrectly interpret or apply some statistical analysis. I have grown acustomed to simply taking the numbers as they come, because regardless of how they are skewed. Here the conclusions suggests a very shallow grasp of how crime operates or the meanings in context. It reveals why the relational dynamic remains a convenient scapegoat for irrational fears.

    If I have twenty white pins and five of those of pins are black and then roll a black ball down a lane , it's more likely that my black ball will hit more whites pins than black pins.

    That's a statistical probability. But that

    Probability also depends on the angle, composition disbursement of the pins, etc. not even taking into account motive and vitally important factor - When examining the numbers minus the shallow thinking of what may appear obvious - given the disperstment of those who might engage in crime across the nations cities and the conditions for said activity the likelihood of anyone of you coming into contact with sad violent anyone white or black is not conditioned on skin color. But on location personal exposure, and one's interaction with said population. Numbers don't lie - most of the time, but how those numbers are used in narrative is anybody's guess. Here the simplest accounting is flat out the consequence of deliberately or ignorantly, misinterpreting what the numbers mean in the context of reality.

    This happens as knee jerk reaction to some hard to take realities about white culpability in building a society touting whites as superior and having to discover that white superiority is not all that it made out to be. It's a lashing out as what was once a house of brick is tumbling slowly as a house of cards. Because when iy comes to motive the numbers don't lie --- as many are fond of saying. There are very few crimes in the US against whites merely because one is white. So despite the numbers the evidence is slight that blacks are doing anything to whites merely because they are white. The interactions are based on numbers
    Those blacks who might be inclined to criminal behavior operate in more white populations than whites inclined to criminal behavior operate in black populations.

    That's a statistical reality based on the numbers in the proper context of interactions.

    The simplistic formula that more then that in context requires a bit more analysis to why beyond -- by the numbers whites would be attacking more blacks. Which when considering motive is would be correct. But when one deals in dire straits or a panic, I understand the desire to take short cuts on interpretation to design a narrative that puts one in a positive light. I have had students work in teams in which regardless of the configuration -- mistakes were rarely ever her failings, but that of others. Whites own the conditions and positions of power, If one wants to be serious about whiteness as actor to the benefit, then, one has to also take responsibility for white failures in vitally important ways. And blaming that on blacks who by and large do as the whites in power direct fails the accountability and logic test.

    There is nothing liberal about understanding context. Which is why I used the police death example for reference. Taking the rate of percentage increase, it was concluded that there is a war on police. But examining the actual numbers of the increase and why, how, etc. the interpretation was convenient and wrong.

    LOL, such a comic book intellectual. But here are some simple facts to digest. Blacks commit 1/2 the US murders and have 8X the homicide rate of whites.
    But that is okay, because the amoral black excuse machine repeaters will barf out some bogus nonsense as:
    “Whites own the conditions and positions of power, If one wants to be serious about whiteness as actor to the benefit, then, one has to also take responsibility for white failures in vitally important ways. And blaming that on blacks who by and large do as the whites in power direct fails the accountability and logic test.”

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    First,
    I don't think my comments challenge crime rates.

    Second,
    my comments don't challenge the demographics of crime.

    Third,
    my comments don't claim that blacks are criminals because whites own the majority power stakes.


    My comments explicate (not the same as excusing) what the numbers most likely indicate.

    1. Most blacks don't challenge or don't care about the second amendment.
    2. crime is no unique characteristic of blacks -- a brief look at history will make that clear.
    3. That blacks are actors more often against whites in criminal activity -- is not an indication that blacks target whites -- certainly not merely because they are white. It's a simple state on interactions -- as discussed.
    4. Whites have little to fear from blacks wanting to take their guns - so that can kill them later -- there's no evidence to support it.
    5. The simplistic explanations regarding the stats have little if any veracity and I note why that is the case.
    6. Mounting these types of assails is indicative of some level of irrationality. With respect to violent crime various comments and the article suggest that nearly three hundred million whites in the country will be victims of 1.5% of blacks engaged in violent criminal behavior. Given what we now know about criminal behavior, most whites will never come into contact with violence at the hands of any black in fact the likelihood is 0.2615% -- not even a 1% chance of such an interaction. That percentage drops considerably when one starts looking at the distribution of said criminal actors. So if every single black person involved in criminal violent act were crammed into the same space as the 235,170,569.5 whites there would be less than a 0.3% chance of being a victim from a black person. Stratifying that population out across the country, diffuse it further by relational dynamics and the chances decrease considerably. Mounting a fear campaign based on those numbers is a tad, in my view irrational.
    7. When I was a young conservative I used to hop on these numbers in the same way. But eventually my course work took me through actually doing stats and evaluating stats and interpreting stats. And understanding what numbers mean in human relations be a tough row.



    I never sure how to respond to when someone takes one comment and juxtaposes it against an entirely different subject as you have done. I am never sure if the person is confused, , doesn't frasp when one argument in a series if not by cause related , whether that person is just being mischievous or deliberately manipulated context so as to make some "kneejerk" point. Whatever the dynamic in -- you have managed to misapply my comments on power stakeholders --


    That comment does not go to explicating criminal behavior. It applies to understanding why there seems to be so much panic among whites with increasing intensity. Especially the tendency to blame blacks. And I guess I would have continued to what I suspect is at the moment given the data an unseasoned fear of blacks. Now it is entirely possible one day the majority of blacks will begin campaigns against whites that whites engaged previously on them. I doubt it. There is little evidence to support it. Maybe. Which leads one to second guess -- what is the historical record of what whites have done that suggests turn about is fair play.
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  • Blacks are ~ 10% of the population of my metro area, but account for at least 60% of the murders, and their hispanic bros account for another 15% of homicides.
    So like I can really see that it is those evil palefaces who are the worst and most dangerous.

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  • @Truth
    No my friend, there are x- number of whites and x- number of blacks in this country; This is the case when whites murder blacks and it is the case when blacks murder whites. To which you will say:

    Buh...buh...buh... Truth, There are many more whites in this country so they should be murdering more blacks...

    Illogical, they have less black targets that white ones.

    Buh...buh...buh...Truth, there are many less blacks in this country, they should not be murdering so many whites,

    Illogical, they have more white targets than black ones.

    Somewhat simple vector math, my friend...


    I’ll grant you one thing; you Africans have always been good at one thing and that’s f*cking.
     

    Well so I've been told. Do you know from firsthand experience?

    “vector math, my friend….”

    Okay…..

    2D? 3D? 9D? Are you adding them? Taking dot products? Cross products? Using matrices?

    I’m all ears.

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    No simple stuff, Old Sport. One line signifies "magnitude", another "direction."

    So draw your two vectors indicating "black" and "white" measure the cosines and you will have it.
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  • EliteCommInc. says:
    April 12, 2018 at 2:39 am GMT • 200 Words

    Laugh.

    Your number two argument at the bottom includes that suggestion that blacks have some unique practice about not reporting on one’s fellows. One of Miss Ann Coulter’s and Miss Laura Ingrham’s contends from days of old. A small list of the cukltures which in engage in no telling on each other:

    I can think of no human behaviors that are binary by race. That said, “no snitchin” really is a thing, enforced by murder and intimidation, in the Black community. It really isn’t a thing in the White community. The words we bandy won’t change that.

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    I hate to back up comic book boy, but "No snitchin" while far more prevalent amongst blacks, is hardly a universal feature of all black communities.
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  • Demographics: the rate of change in the black population to the overall population is at 14% or 13%

    1% increase if categorizing blacks uniquely and (roughly)
    2% percentage points if one broadens the definition of black citizens.

    http://blackdemographics.com/ That rate of change suggests a fairly constant range to the overall population even to the 12.5% provided. I guess one could argue about what constitutes constant.

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    It's terrible to say, but I wonder if pro-life people understand that this country would be inundated by Africans and become an incredibly violent African/Mexican-majority country without legal available abortion.

    Imagine the daily Hell and terror of life in a USA that was even 25% African, let alone 50%.

    Letting people of any race murder their babies before birth is no acceptable answer to anything if the woman's life is not in danger. The answer was NOT bringing the Africans here in the first place, or sending them back to Africa (a much bigger "Liberia" project) long ago. Too late, obviously.

    Now all of us have to put up with increased restrictions on our civil liberties and privacy -- including "gun control", constant surveillance, and excessive police power -- because a certain meaningful segment of the population actually can't be trusted with freedom (including many whites and Hispanics, of course, but a large highly disproportionate number of Africans).

    And some of us find ourselves saying very sad things like "without abortion, WE would be outnumbered and murdered by those 'sweet little babies' when they grow up."

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  • Laugh.

    but it is not uncommon for people to misconstrue what the numbers means. Many here are convinced that they are under some unique threat from blacks — because you incorrectly interpret or apply some statistical analysis. I have grown acustomed to simply taking the numbers as they come, because regardless of how they are skewed. Here the conclusions suggests a very shallow grasp of how crime operates or the meanings in context. It reveals why the relational dynamic remains a convenient scapegoat for irrational fears.

    If I have twenty white pins and five of those of pins are black and then roll a black ball down a lane , it’s more likely that my black ball will hit more whites pins than black pins.

    That’s a statistical probability. But that

    Probability also depends on the angle, composition disbursement of the pins, etc. not even taking into account motive and vitally important factor – When examining the numbers minus the shallow thinking of what may appear obvious – given the disperstment of those who might engage in crime across the nations cities and the conditions for said activity the likelihood of anyone of you coming into contact with sad violent anyone white or black is not conditioned on skin color. But on location personal exposure, and one’s interaction with said population. Numbers don’t lie – most of the time, but how those numbers are used in narrative is anybody’s guess. Here the simplest accounting is flat out the consequence of deliberately or ignorantly, misinterpreting what the numbers mean in the context of reality.

    This happens as knee jerk reaction to some hard to take realities about white culpability in building a society touting whites as superior and having to discover that white superiority is not all that it made out to be. It’s a lashing out as what was once a house of brick is tumbling slowly as a house of cards. Because when iy comes to motive the numbers don’t lie — as many are fond of saying. There are very few crimes in the US against whites merely because one is white. So despite the numbers the evidence is slight that blacks are doing anything to whites merely because they are white. The interactions are based on numbers
    Those blacks who might be inclined to criminal behavior operate in more white populations than whites inclined to criminal behavior operate in black populations.

    That’s a statistical reality based on the numbers in the proper context of interactions.

    The simplistic formula that more then that in context requires a bit more analysis to why beyond — by the numbers whites would be attacking more blacks. Which when considering motive is would be correct. But when one deals in dire straits or a panic, I understand the desire to take short cuts on interpretation to design a narrative that puts one in a positive light. I have had students work in teams in which regardless of the configuration — mistakes were rarely ever her failings, but that of others. Whites own the conditions and positions of power, If one wants to be serious about whiteness as actor to the benefit, then, one has to also take responsibility for white failures in vitally important ways. And blaming that on blacks who by and large do as the whites in power direct fails the accountability and logic test.

    There is nothing liberal about understanding context. Which is why I used the police death example for reference. Taking the rate of percentage increase, it was concluded that there is a war on police. But examining the actual numbers of the increase and why, how, etc. the interpretation was convenient and wrong.

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    LOL, such a comic book intellectual. But here are some simple facts to digest. Blacks commit 1/2 the US murders and have 8X the homicide rate of whites.
    But that is okay, because the amoral black excuse machine repeaters will barf out some bogus nonsense as:
    "Whites own the conditions and positions of power, If one wants to be serious about whiteness as actor to the benefit, then, one has to also take responsibility for white failures in vitally important ways. And blaming that on blacks who by and large do as the whites in power direct fails the accountability and logic test."
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  • Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Good comment, sir. I'll just quibble that "rural" ain't what it used to be, demographically.

    There are millions of Mexicans living in rural areas all across inland California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and southern Colorado, outnumbering non-Mexicans in more and more of those little towns.

    The farm towns of eastern Washington are full Of Mexicans. Dairy farmers in Vermont and Maine have imported Mexicans.

    Everywhere there is a farm, there is a White farmer employing Mexicans. The Tyson slaughterhouses in the south east, especially Georgia are full of Mexicans
    Wherever there is food there are Whites importing Mexicans and Central American Indians.

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    I'm not surprised to hear that. How sad. I don't blame those folks for taking the jobs; how could I? But I blame the farmers, food processors, and other employers for selling us out.
    , @RadicalCenter
    and Somalis, apparently, at some meat-processing plants in Arkansas and the like.
    , @ThreeCranes
    "Everywhere there is a farm, there is a White farmer employing Mexicans."

    Too true. Our neighbors in Western Washington were dairy farmers. All the family farms from the 1940-1950's had sold out to the one Big Man left standing. He rented all their nice old homes to his Mexican help who were and are, essentially, serfs on his feudal manor. And I'm not speaking hyperbolically. They lived on his land, worked every day of the week, milked at all hours etc. American farming practice has returned to the Middle Ages.

    The Big Man drove around in his suburban, wore khakis and a polo shirt. Never got his hands dirty or his boots muddy. He told us one day, "I should have bought your farm when it came on the market". We had purchased what was left, 5 acres, of what had been an old dairy farm that had been homesteaded by the original Swedish family for over a century.

    The Big Man didn't want any small holders around because then he had to take some care when he sprayed, which was weekly. We still got doused in insecticide and fertilizer even though we would take precautions whenever we saw the spray trucks getting ready to do their thing.

    We are a long way from the Jeffersonian ideal of the small yeoman farmer. On the self sufficient farm a man, his wife and children became capable and strong by the demands, responsibilities and discipline that farming imposes on people. Now we are a nation that regards truly independent people as enemies to be stomped out, autarchic anachronisms.
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  • @RadicalCenter
    Most Hispanics in the US are not primarily white, and there are plenty who have no desire to be perceived as white.

    Most Mexicans in the US, and most Latinos generally in the US, are genetically and visibly part white and a greater part "Native American" Indian (and/or African, in the case of Puerto Ricans and to a lesser extent Brazilians).

    Elite comm seems to live in a White world where the people with Spanish last names are actually Spanish and the local government offices are not full of affirmative action blacks

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    Maybe we should move to where he lives, seems like a nice guy and apparently has better local demographics than either of us ;)

    My mother is highly educated and has been all around North America and Europe, yet she still refers to all Hispanics, including indio and mestizo people, as "Spanish."

    She is visiting us here in L.A. and recently described the people in a certain store nearby as "Spanish people" -- to which I responded, "I wish."

    I wonder how different America would be if our Hispanics were actually Europeans, i.e. Spaniards. Imagine replacing, say, forty million Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Guatemalans, Ecuadorans, Nicaraguans, etc., in the USA with Spaniards. (though hopefully not the ones from the part of Spain with that freeking lisp, is it Barcelona?)

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  • @ThreeCranes
    Another lie.

    The "RATIO of whites to blacks in this country remains the same".

    Prove it.

    Never mind. I already know your argument.

    Blacks were 12.5% of the population in 1970 and they are 12.5 % of the population now.

    Right?

    Wrong.

    What's wrong with your argument is that whites were 85% of the population then but only 63% today. Hispanic, asian, Mid East et al immigration has affected the relative proportions.

    So.

    Blacks = 12.5%. Whites = 63%.

    12.5 / 63 = 19.8% That's the real ratio. 1 out of 5, not 1 out of 8 (relative to white europeans).

    I'll grant you one thing; you Africans have always been good at one thing and that's f*cking. The surplus of your Sub Saharan ancestors supplied your Kings with warm bodies to barter in the slave trade (that and ivory were Africa's leading exports 300 years ago).

    So no more B.S. about relative populations staying the same. Okay?

    Whoops. Correction.
    Not 1 out of 5, but 1 to 5 or 1 out of 6.

    12.5 / 12.5+ 63 = 16.6 % the new, 2018 percentage of blacks relative to whites in America.

    So, again, the commonly cited statistic (even in the main stream media) that black percentage of population has remained constant (relative to whites) is wrong.

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  • @jakealope
    The real problem in America is not just black men with guns but blacks in general

    So the Khazars keep telling you.

    But hey, their IQs are much higher.

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    By Khazar, you are elliptically referring to the Jews in a racist pseudo-intellectual way? Funny because the Jew hating whites blame the "Khazars" for covering up black crime & using black thugs to enforce "ZOG" and to create the "white genocide".
    No I arrived at that conclusion by living in cities that were progressively ruined by blacks and their destructive criminal ways, aided by fathead white progressives. But the blacks had a way of deflecting from their manifold shortcomings by blaming whites for even the bad black behavior; that they ALSO encouraged!
    Like when one points out how horrible black schools are, that are now even run by blacks, they barf out nonsense that some crypto KKK is expelling too many brainless thugs. Or they'll remind you of old ante-bellum laws in some southern state that prevented blacks from being educated. You'd think given those ancient laws and the general impression that black students are stupid and undisciplined, the average black school would do its best to fight those trends and produce qualified disciplined black grads. Instead, we get black frauds like DC's Ballou HS where in 2017 even illiterates who skipped the whole year graduate AND THEN got into college!
    Black "education" is a the proverbial leading a horse to water but he won't drink. Instead the horse urinates in the trough.
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  • @ThreeCranes
    Another lie.

    The "RATIO of whites to blacks in this country remains the same".

    Prove it.

    Never mind. I already know your argument.

    Blacks were 12.5% of the population in 1970 and they are 12.5 % of the population now.

    Right?

    Wrong.

    What's wrong with your argument is that whites were 85% of the population then but only 63% today. Hispanic, asian, Mid East et al immigration has affected the relative proportions.

    So.

    Blacks = 12.5%. Whites = 63%.

    12.5 / 63 = 19.8% That's the real ratio. 1 out of 5, not 1 out of 8 (relative to white europeans).

    I'll grant you one thing; you Africans have always been good at one thing and that's f*cking. The surplus of your Sub Saharan ancestors supplied your Kings with warm bodies to barter in the slave trade (that and ivory were Africa's leading exports 300 years ago).

    So no more B.S. about relative populations staying the same. Okay?

    No my friend, there are x- number of whites and x- number of blacks in this country; This is the case when whites murder blacks and it is the case when blacks murder whites. To which you will say:

    Buh…buh…buh… Truth, There are many more whites in this country so they should be murdering more blacks…

    Illogical, they have less black targets that white ones.

    Buh…buh…buh…Truth, there are many less blacks in this country, they should not be murdering so many whites,

    Illogical, they have more white targets than black ones.

    Somewhat simple vector math, my friend…

    I’ll grant you one thing; you Africans have always been good at one thing and that’s f*cking.

    Well so I’ve been told. Do you know from firsthand experience?

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    "vector math, my friend...."

    Okay.....

    2D? 3D? 9D? Are you adding them? Taking dot products? Cross products? Using matrices?

    I'm all ears.
    , @jakealope
    "Well so I’ve been told. Do you know from firsthand experience?"
    One just has to look at the HIGH STD, rape and illegitimacy rates of blacks to see a trend.
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