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    On May 2, James North and Phil Weiss talked with Norman Finkelstein in his Brooklyn home about the Six Day War, its history, its mythology and its impact on US Jewish life. Finkelstein then revised the transcript of that conversation. Weiss: How important was the Six-Day War in your neighborhood when you were a kid?...
  • @jim jones
    America is an extension of Britain, and we have fought wars with 171 of the world's 193 countries.

    “Why hasn’t there been another revolution in the USA since 1776?”

    “Because there is no American Embassy in the USA.”

    - via Moldbug

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  • I was in the army in 1967 and remember the seven day war .i also noticed the pull to get us out of viet nam and set the countries aim of us going to the mid east.the uniform started to go desert colors etc.what caps this off for me is bob Dylan has not written one song protesting the wars in the mid east or Joan b .Something to think about.

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  • On the Liberty, I recommend reading Amerika blog (which is Dissident-Right). I’ve linked this on my name.

    I agree that the anti-Western mindset of the post-Holocaust 1967 Israeli brass and their kids on the planes and ships had a part to play in the tragedy. But there was also just plain incompetence. And one shouldn’t let that oaf Lyndon ‘Look At My’ Johnson off the hook, especially not here on Unz.com.

    I mean, even assuming that Israel is full of shayatin, the Shared Incompetence theory certainly works better than

    1. Be in a vulnerable position in the Near East in need of not antagonising major world powers
    2. Shoot down a major American ship
    3. …?
    4. The Messiah cometh!!

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    The Unz.com coterie of Jew hating cuckoos are fighting the last war while Islam slowly devours Europe. Delivery from sin and evil is easier than delivery from rigidized stupidity.

    We hate shtetl gonifim like your boy Bibi who exploit Jews the way Al Capone exploited Italians.

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    The Unz.com coterie of Jew hating cuckoos are fighting the last war while Islam slowly devours Europe. Delivery from sin and evil is easier than delivery from rigidized stupidity.

    coterie of Jew hating

    We don’t hate Joobs. We hate assholes.

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  • @anarchyst
    The "perpetual victim" card is a main characteristic of Judaism and is ingrained in their culture. Attempts to transfer this trait to others who they (Jews) consider oppressed have met with some success. For example, the American "civil-rights" movement of the 1950s and 1960s was orchestrated by leftist Jews who successfully imposed their universal "victimhood" trait on blacks. We are living with the results of this dysfunctional trait to this day.
    The "perpetual victimhood" trait is so strong, Jews are now demanding that "holocaust ™ reparations" be extended to children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren of "holocaust ™ survivors" as "they too are victims of the holocaust ™", which some Jewish psychiatrists now call "transference"...follow the shekels...
    When will it ever end?

    Ooh, way to get the ol’ twofer: Jews AND Communists!

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  • @Clyde
    The Unz.com coterie of Jew hating cuckoos are fighting the last war while Islam slowly devours Europe. Delivery from sin and evil is easier than delivery from rigidized stupidity.

    Most wars are Jew-inspired behind the scenes! They’re the ones to be concerned with!

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  • @anonymous
    The cucking on this site is beyond imagination . While Muslims are grooming and pimping thousands of white Christian girls ages 12 and up all over England , while muslims kidnap white Christian children and degrade and urinate on them in Utah and other states that take refugees , while Muslims are flooding Europe , while Muslims rape white Christian girls in the streets of Germany , while they take over Europe with generous welfare subsidies to have dozens of children and White European women have zero children these cucks actually spend their time cucking for Muslims in Israel . They were silent when Turkey invaded and occupied Europe and created a base in Cyprus which still exists to this day . Then Turkey flooded Europe with Muslims who are quickly taking over Western Europe but still the majority of their energy goes to ensuring that the Muslims living in Israel are treated up to their exacting standards while watching their own people become exterminated in Europe at the hands of Muslims. Cucking nonpareil ..................

    Anonymous coward!

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  • @Anonymous
    To try and give your tabloid comic book repetitions of old conspiracy theorists' assertions some credibility just firm up one cliché: "the brave American sailor's efforts to reconnect an antenna (under fire) to reestablish communications with the fleet" . Who was the sailor? At whatvpoint in the attacks did the antenna cease to be connected and at what point re onnected? Wbat fire sas he under? Machine gunning from an Israeli plane flying directly toward him as he did what exactly? Or? AND how does your Boys Own version stand up with the story we got on an earlier thread of partal failure of jamming being the critical factor, and with the repeated insistence that Washington had realtime knowledge of what was happening?

    All Navy ships have HF antennas that can be used if all other communication means fail…

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  • @Rurik


    You should have seen that video , son

     

    …it showed us all in the dying (murdered) Western world that when it came to some Jews; Hitler was right. And if left up to their druthers, they’d use their ill-gotten lucre to subvert our governments and flood our lands with Muslims (and everyone else).

    We realized that if we were to survive, that we’d have to take on the Jews like Specter and expose their treachery if our nations were to have a future for you son.

    Good comment. Jewish malevolence to the goyim is not a trivial issue and has created countless problems for Western Civilization.

    But what is wrong with our leaders and ourselves that we have allowed this to happen in the first place? WE are primarily responsible for the decline of our civilization.

    Are we just mindless venal fools following the tribal pied pipers to the sea?

    Unfortunately, for many of us, and most of our leaders, the answer is yes.

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  • @Art
    You know that you win the vituperation prize here at Unz so smile!

    ... ... ...

    Your writing style imitates a third grader


    Definition of vituperation. --- sustained and bitter railing and condemnation

    What you view as “vituperation” – are stark truths that you cannot acknowledge and refuse to see.

    Jesus said “forgive them father for they know not what they do.”

    When it comes to truth - your culture has stripped you of virtue.

    You are forgiven.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. My writing skills are third grade - but my facts are world class.

    The Good Art. The Bad Art/
    You are behaving like an actual human here but you still need your momma to come back and wash your mouth out with some soap.

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  • @anonymous

    How do you assess Barbara Lerner Specter? Is she an aberration? She talks of the leading role that Jews will play in making Europe “multicultural” and less “monolithic.” What does she mean by “monolithic”?
     
    Daddy what were you doing when the European Caliphate was in its infancy and could still be stopped ?

    Do you mean when millions of military age Muslim men were crossing into Europe disguised as refugees and raping our women , kidnapping and pimping out our daughters and slaughtering native Europeans in constant terror attacks ??

    Yes daddy , that's what I mean .

    I was sharing Barbara Lerner Specters video clips on Unz and Heartiste. I did my part ,son.

    Who was Barbara Lerner Specter daddy ?? The president of the EU ?? The general of the United Nations ?

    No , she was a private citizen and she had a 12 minute interview on youtube where she said questionable things.

    I don't understand what this has to do with millions of military age Muslim men taking over Europe and establishing a Caliphate

    Well son , that video really put the hook in us

    I don't understand Daddy , But anyway did you guys kill her or something ?

    No she lived in luxury until she died peacefully in her sleep at 98 years old


    So it was all for nothing daddy , you obsessed over Jews online while Europe was taken over by Muslims ??

     

    You should have seen that video , son, it was like 12 minutes of really questionable material , delivered by an irrelevant old woman who lived in Sweden. . Like I said , it really put the hook in us..............

    You should have seen that video , son

    …it showed us all in the dying (murdered) Western world that when it came to some Jews; Hitler was right. And if left up to their druthers, they’d use their ill-gotten lucre to subvert our governments and flood our lands with Muslims (and everyone else).

    We realized that if we were to survive, that we’d have to take on the Jews like Specter and expose their treachery if our nations were to have a future for you son.

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    Good comment. Jewish malevolence to the goyim is not a trivial issue and has created countless problems for Western Civilization.

    But what is wrong with our leaders and ourselves that we have allowed this to happen in the first place? WE are primarily responsible for the decline of our civilization.

    Are we just mindless venal fools following the tribal pied pipers to the sea?

    Unfortunately, for many of us, and most of our leaders, the answer is yes.

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ace
    ** facilitators are Turkish Muslims and Italian Christians **

    You're right about the moronic Italians, whether Christians or not. Germans deserve top billing for being morons too, of course. Turks are not facilitators. They just point west and the European Union makes sure the borders are open and travel is unimpeded. The British help generate refugees in Syria (a small part of the overall picture of predatory migration) but, again, that's not the problem. Migrant flow can be stopped everywhere in Europe no later than 5:00 p.m. today if the Europeans decided to do that.

    How do you assess Barbara Lerner Specter? Is she an aberration? She talks of the leading role that Jews will play in making Europe "multicultural" and less "monolithic." What does she mean by "monolithic"?

    How do you assess Barbara Lerner Specter? Is she an aberration? She talks of the leading role that Jews will play in making Europe “multicultural” and less “monolithic.” What does she mean by “monolithic”?

    Daddy what were you doing when the European Caliphate was in its infancy and could still be stopped ?

    Do you mean when millions of military age Muslim men were crossing into Europe disguised as refugees and raping our women , kidnapping and pimping out our daughters and slaughtering native Europeans in constant terror attacks ??

    Yes daddy , that’s what I mean .

    I was sharing Barbara Lerner Specters video clips on Unz and Heartiste. I did my part ,son.

    Who was Barbara Lerner Specter daddy ?? The president of the EU ?? The general of the United Nations ?

    No , she was a private citizen and she had a 12 minute interview on youtube where she said questionable things.

    I don’t understand what this has to do with millions of military age Muslim men taking over Europe and establishing a Caliphate

    Well son , that video really put the hook in us

    I don’t understand Daddy , But anyway did you guys kill her or something ?

    No she lived in luxury until she died peacefully in her sleep at 98 years old

    So it was all for nothing daddy , you obsessed over Jews online while Europe was taken over by Muslims ??

    You should have seen that video , son, it was like 12 minutes of really questionable material , delivered by an irrelevant old woman who lived in Sweden. . Like I said , it really put the hook in us…………..

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    You should have seen that video , son

     

    …it showed us all in the dying (murdered) Western world that when it came to some Jews; Hitler was right. And if left up to their druthers, they’d use their ill-gotten lucre to subvert our governments and flood our lands with Muslims (and everyone else).

    We realized that if we were to survive, that we’d have to take on the Jews like Specter and expose their treachery if our nations were to have a future for you son.
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  • Ace says:
    @anonymous

    the problem is that for some Jewish people, they don’t agree. They don’t agree that all people’s are entitled to self-determination. They demand that Europa be invaded and overrun with rapists and diversity of every kind
     
    Nothing to do with Jews. The invaders are Muslims . The rapists are Muslims .The facilitators are Turkish Muslims and Italian Christians. The Turkish government facilitates the land route and the Italian military facilitates the sea route.

    And they also demand out of the other side of their faces that Israel be allowed to ethically cleanse the Arabs in Palestine from their lands. You see?
    That is the problem. The lying, duplicitous, hypocritical bullshit that emanates out of the rancid id of the Zionist.
     
    The Israel / Palestinian conflict is a minor one concerning a land dispute of 2,000 square miles and the death of 20,000 Palestinians. The major ethnic cleansing has occurred in Sudan : 700,000 killed and over a million ethnically cleansed and hundreds of thousands raped and occupation of over 100,000 square miles. Indonesian occupation of Papua with over half a million killed and over 130,000 square miles occupied and ethnic cleansing in the form of trans migrasi in the millions. You will lose Europe but not because of Jews. Because while you are obsessing of Jewish boogy men , Muslims will overrun your lands and steal and rape your women and children. Enjoy............

    ** facilitators are Turkish Muslims and Italian Christians **

    You’re right about the moronic Italians, whether Christians or not. Germans deserve top billing for being morons too, of course. Turks are not facilitators. They just point west and the European Union makes sure the borders are open and travel is unimpeded. The British help generate refugees in Syria (a small part of the overall picture of predatory migration) but, again, that’s not the problem. Migrant flow can be stopped everywhere in Europe no later than 5:00 p.m. today if the Europeans decided to do that.

    How do you assess Barbara Lerner Specter? Is she an aberration? She talks of the leading role that Jews will play in making Europe “multicultural” and less “monolithic.” What does she mean by “monolithic”?

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    How do you assess Barbara Lerner Specter? Is she an aberration? She talks of the leading role that Jews will play in making Europe “multicultural” and less “monolithic.” What does she mean by “monolithic”?
     
    Daddy what were you doing when the European Caliphate was in its infancy and could still be stopped ?

    Do you mean when millions of military age Muslim men were crossing into Europe disguised as refugees and raping our women , kidnapping and pimping out our daughters and slaughtering native Europeans in constant terror attacks ??

    Yes daddy , that's what I mean .

    I was sharing Barbara Lerner Specters video clips on Unz and Heartiste. I did my part ,son.

    Who was Barbara Lerner Specter daddy ?? The president of the EU ?? The general of the United Nations ?

    No , she was a private citizen and she had a 12 minute interview on youtube where she said questionable things.

    I don't understand what this has to do with millions of military age Muslim men taking over Europe and establishing a Caliphate

    Well son , that video really put the hook in us

    I don't understand Daddy , But anyway did you guys kill her or something ?

    No she lived in luxury until she died peacefully in her sleep at 98 years old


    So it was all for nothing daddy , you obsessed over Jews online while Europe was taken over by Muslims ??

     

    You should have seen that video , son, it was like 12 minutes of really questionable material , delivered by an irrelevant old woman who lived in Sweden. . Like I said , it really put the hook in us..............
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  • Ace says:
    @Delinquent Snail
    Some groups are more prone to corruption then others. Religious groups are by far the most corrupt. They have this mentality that What They are doing isnt wrong because they are "right" in the eyes of their diety.

    There have been several studies recently involving children from different backgroumds. These studies show that religious children are usually more greedy, selfish, intolerant. Secular children are more altruistic and "democracy" minded. Its not hard to follow the path and see these selfish kids grow into selfish adults that are now able to spread their mindset to others in their group and the cycle continues.

    Not that any of this will matter to you. You started out comparing a small religious/ethnic group to a group encompassing dozens of different and distinct cultures/ethnic groups (whites) saying that they are just as bad. Which is bs. Caucasians are by far the most altruistic group on earth. No other group is willing to sacrifice itself for a bunch of ungratefull, undeserving thirdworlders.

    ** because they are “right” in the eyes of their diety **

    I’m no theologian but don’t Christians believe in the doctrine of original sin? We’re all sinners till saved from damnation (after death) by faith in Christ. We sin but our sins are forgiven if we accept Jesus but we still have to live moral lives. The Ten Commandments are there to guide Christians on right living. They assume that humans need guiding. If not, why bother with commandments?

    Nothing in the Christian faith involves automatic affirmation of the believer as “right.” Calvinists come closest to the frame of mind but even they have no notarized statement from Anyone that they happen to be one of the elect. One of the heresies even among the Calvinists was that “Christian liberty gave one license to ignore Scriptural teaching.” (Wikipedia, Antinomian Controversy.) But the operative word there is “heresy.” Calvinists hoped that worldly success was sort of a divine hint that they were one of the chosen but no one knew for sure.

    Secular leftists thought they were sufficiently “right” to enable them to murder millions.

    Where do you get this stuff?

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  • Art says:
    @Clyde
    You know that you win the vituperation prize here at Unz so smile! Your elevator is headed down to the bottom with no stops, where you will finally meet up with your uncle Adolf, George Rockwell and the homos who ran the Third Reich.

    Your writing style imitates a third grader...

    You know that you win the vituperation prize here at Unz so smile!

    … … …

    Your writing style imitates a third grader

    Definition of vituperation. — sustained and bitter railing and condemnation

    What you view as “vituperation” – are stark truths that you cannot acknowledge and refuse to see.

    Jesus said “forgive them father for they know not what they do.”

    When it comes to truth – your culture has stripped you of virtue.

    You are forgiven.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. My writing skills are third grade – but my facts are world class.

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    The Good Art. The Bad Art/
    You are behaving like an actual human here but you still need your momma to come back and wash your mouth out with some soap.
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  • L.K says:
    @RobinG
    "ACT FOR AMERICA" REALLY ACTS FOR ISRAEL

    Art, you have to see this. "Alt-Right" controlled opposition by Mossad.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogZ4CmxukYQ

    Brigitte Gabriel = MOSSAD Asset.
    "March against Sharia," Act for America or Israel ?

    Now, contrast this Zionist asset & these ‘alt.right’ useful idiots with the reality in Lebanon… in Syria… at any rate, it is ZUSA/Israel & its allies and client states that are destroying Christianity in the M.E.
    The problem for M.E Christians are the Salafist/Wahhabi extremists supported by ZUSA & friends.
    Christian Singer Honors Hezbollah in Stunning 2013 Concert Performance

    Why Arab Christians Support Hezbollah

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  • @Art
    The Unz.com coterie of Jew hating cuckoos are fighting the last war while Islam slowly devours Europe. Delivery from sin and evil is easier than delivery from rigidized stupidity.

    Clyde,

    Gee - standard hasbara TROLL stuff - boring!

    Time for you to get a life.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Not being a Jew is fun - try it!

    You know that you win the vituperation prize here at Unz so smile! Your elevator is headed down to the bottom with no stops, where you will finally meet up with your uncle Adolf, George Rockwell and the homos who ran the Third Reich.

    Your writing style imitates a third grader…

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    You know that you win the vituperation prize here at Unz so smile!

    ... ... ...

    Your writing style imitates a third grader


    Definition of vituperation. --- sustained and bitter railing and condemnation

    What you view as “vituperation” – are stark truths that you cannot acknowledge and refuse to see.

    Jesus said “forgive them father for they know not what they do.”

    When it comes to truth - your culture has stripped you of virtue.

    You are forgiven.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. My writing skills are third grade - but my facts are world class.
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  • Art says:
    @Clyde
    The Unz.com coterie of Jew hating cuckoos are fighting the last war while Islam slowly devours Europe. Delivery from sin and evil is easier than delivery from rigidized stupidity.

    The Unz.com coterie of Jew hating cuckoos are fighting the last war while Islam slowly devours Europe. Delivery from sin and evil is easier than delivery from rigidized stupidity.

    Clyde,

    Gee – standard hasbara TROLL stuff – boring!

    Time for you to get a life.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Not being a Jew is fun – try it!

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    You know that you win the vituperation prize here at Unz so smile! Your elevator is headed down to the bottom with no stops, where you will finally meet up with your uncle Adolf, George Rockwell and the homos who ran the Third Reich.

    Your writing style imitates a third grader...

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  • Art says:
    @RobinG
    "ACT FOR AMERICA" REALLY ACTS FOR ISRAEL

    Art, you have to see this. "Alt-Right" controlled opposition by Mossad.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogZ4CmxukYQ

    Brigitte Gabriel = MOSSAD Asset.
    "March against Sharia," Act for America or Israel ?

    “ACT FOR AMERICA” REALLY ACTS FOR ISRAEL

    Art, you have to see this. “Alt-Right” controlled opposition by Mossad.

    Brigitte Gabriel = MOSSAD Asset.
    “March against Sharia,” Act for America or Israel ?

    Hi RobinG,

    “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” ― Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

    AEI – Jew —- ACLU – Jew. There are hundreds more.

    The Jews love to hide their evil tribal activities behind the word “American.”

    There is nothing more diabolical and dishonest than a Jew wordsmith.

    If you want to mislead someone, get a Jew.

    Words are bullets to Jews. They use then to mow down their opposition (which means everyone, all of humanity).

    Peace — Art

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  • @Anonymous
    To try and give your tabloid comic book repetitions of old conspiracy theorists' assertions some credibility just firm up one cliché: "the brave American sailor's efforts to reconnect an antenna (under fire) to reestablish communications with the fleet" . Who was the sailor? At whatvpoint in the attacks did the antenna cease to be connected and at what point re onnected? Wbat fire sas he under? Machine gunning from an Israeli plane flying directly toward him as he did what exactly? Or? AND how does your Boys Own version stand up with the story we got on an earlier thread of partal failure of jamming being the critical factor, and with the repeated insistence that Washington had realtime knowledge of what was happening?

    Typical Jew smoke and mirrors. The Liberty is attacked in clear daylight and you talk about antennas. As if somehow the antenna story IS the salient point. This of course shows the story bothers you greatly when you try to change the subject.

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  • @Sam Shama
    The tennis analogy made you cross? Good heavens, man; issues there, some pitifully obvious, others a bit deeper, I suppose.

    Let's deal with the superficial one first. Tennis, a sore point with you, can only be remedied through long hours of practice. You don't have a serve and volley game, I suspect. Why do I say that? Your posts. Serve and volley requires precision and strength. Enough said. But don't be discouraged, five years of practice ought to get you past the local senior league qualifying rounds. You agree? Carry on then.

    Now for deeper ones. Well, one could write volumes, but really that won't do at all, to impose on the generosity of our host. Thus, I shall only hint. Germania. Eats away the little gray cells.

    Cheers

    iow, you got nuthin.

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  • @SolontoCroesus
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgBR-Jxbhsc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai2Y4s4BdsM

    ---

    OTOH -- take it easy on Sam "Easily amused" Shama and the horse he rode in on; Jews are confronting an extremely unpleasant situation: Trump has proposed shaving $3 million from the $57million holocaust museum budget. It's a shoah!

    $3 million = .0000789 -- about one week's worth --of the $3.8 billion USA forks over every year to the bestest friend (who ever wanted express their hatred for Americans by killing them).
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5584ba80-8eed-316e-a841-54ec0241a893/ss_%243m-cut-to-holocaust-museum.html

    nb check out the comments -- Norman Finkelstein cloned multiple times

    I propose a pity party for poor Jews who are faced with the mere thought of foregoing this loot.
    And a second pity party (no laughing!!) for pathetic Sam the Tennis dude, er, dud.

    The tennis analogy made you cross? Good heavens, man; issues there, some pitifully obvious, others a bit deeper, I suppose.

    Let’s deal with the superficial one first. Tennis, a sore point with you, can only be remedied through long hours of practice. You don’t have a serve and volley game, I suspect. Why do I say that? Your posts. Serve and volley requires precision and strength. Enough said. But don’t be discouraged, five years of practice ought to get you past the local senior league qualifying rounds. You agree? Carry on then.

    Now for deeper ones. Well, one could write volumes, but really that won’t do at all, to impose on the generosity of our host. Thus, I shall only hint. Germania. Eats away the little gray cells.

    Cheers

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  • @SolontoCroesus
    my mistake:
    $3 million is not "one week's worth" -- 7 days -- of the $3.8 billion US taxpayers shell out to subsidize Israel; it's 7 hour's worth.

    About the same number of hours Israel spent attacking and killing US sailors on the Liberty.

    Oh dear, how long did that struggle last (the calculation i.e, followed by furrowed brows, veins popping on the forehead etc)? I have a suggestion for you: don’t twist yourself in knots over these things. Even I felt embarrassed imagining your predicament.

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  • ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @mcohen
    anon

    you miss the point.who are they.what have they achieved in life.since when is there opinion important.
    prime minister,ambassador,billionaire,ceo ,world class surgeon,general,electrician ....these people might have something useful to say.worth listening to.

    finkelstein,shamir and company.....before internet probably the dark lords ass scratcher.on sabbath only.Baruch tuchus scratcher.the order of.....BTS

    My impression is that NF adheres to higher standards than Israel Shamir, not least of scholarship and thoroughness but the strain and time pressures of being a minority polemicist and scholar at the same time would be likely to lead to his handing a few gotchas to the swarming majority.

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  • @Art
    From the link: Believing in Jesus, however, is enough to place one beyond the pale: 60% of U.S. Jews say a person cannot be Jewish if he or she believes Jesus was the messiah.

    What does it say about a people who hate the greatest thing that they produced?

    Clearly Jesus created the greatest most benign philosophy for living in all of human history.

    Clearly the objectionable part of the Christian religion is the part rooted in Judaism. Clearly Judaism is baggage for the philosophical adherents of Jesus.

    Clearly Jesus thought of himself as a religious Jew. When Jews hate religious Jesus, they are hating his religious Jewness.

    Jews who are not religious and are secular, also hate Jesus. Jewness is not only about a god religion – but it is primarily about tribe. Being a Jew is a biological test – not a test of faith.

    “Christ” is a European name. Jesus became European and universal and neighborly – and Jews hate that.

    There are so many different Jew sects – Jew culture has a tendency to implode - is hate for Jesus, now the main thing that binds them. How very very sick, how sad.

    “ACT FOR AMERICA” REALLY ACTS FOR ISRAEL

    Art, you have to see this. “Alt-Right” controlled opposition by Mossad.

    Brigitte Gabriel = MOSSAD Asset.
    “March against Sharia,” Act for America or Israel ?

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    “ACT FOR AMERICA” REALLY ACTS FOR ISRAEL

    Art, you have to see this. “Alt-Right” controlled opposition by Mossad.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogZ4CmxukYQ

    Brigitte Gabriel = MOSSAD Asset.
    “March against Sharia,” Act for America or Israel ?

     

    Hi RobinG,

    “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” ― Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

    AEI - Jew ---- ACLU - Jew. There are hundreds more.

    The Jews love to hide their evil tribal activities behind the word "American."

    There is nothing more diabolical and dishonest than a Jew wordsmith.

    If you want to mislead someone, get a Jew.

    Words are bullets to Jews. They use then to mow down their opposition (which means everyone, all of humanity).

    Peace --- Art
    , @L.K
    Now, contrast this Zionist asset & these 'alt.right' useful idiots with the reality in Lebanon... in Syria... at any rate, it is ZUSA/Israel & its allies and client states that are destroying Christianity in the M.E.
    The problem for M.E Christians are the Salafist/Wahhabi extremists supported by ZUSA & friends.
    Christian Singer Honors Hezbollah in Stunning 2013 Concert Performance
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdZgkGI5h0A
    Why Arab Christians Support Hezbollah
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx2o6xU_JvI
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  • @anonymous
    The cucking on this site is beyond imagination . While Muslims are grooming and pimping thousands of white Christian girls ages 12 and up all over England , while muslims kidnap white Christian children and degrade and urinate on them in Utah and other states that take refugees , while Muslims are flooding Europe , while Muslims rape white Christian girls in the streets of Germany , while they take over Europe with generous welfare subsidies to have dozens of children and White European women have zero children these cucks actually spend their time cucking for Muslims in Israel . They were silent when Turkey invaded and occupied Europe and created a base in Cyprus which still exists to this day . Then Turkey flooded Europe with Muslims who are quickly taking over Western Europe but still the majority of their energy goes to ensuring that the Muslims living in Israel are treated up to their exacting standards while watching their own people become exterminated in Europe at the hands of Muslims. Cucking nonpareil ..................

    The Unz.com coterie of Jew hating cuckoos are fighting the last war while Islam slowly devours Europe. Delivery from sin and evil is easier than delivery from rigidized stupidity.

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    The Unz.com coterie of Jew hating cuckoos are fighting the last war while Islam slowly devours Europe. Delivery from sin and evil is easier than delivery from rigidized stupidity.

    Clyde,

    Gee - standard hasbara TROLL stuff - boring!

    Time for you to get a life.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Not being a Jew is fun - try it!
    , @Druid
    Most wars are Jew-inspired behind the scenes! They're the ones to be concerned with!
    , @Israel is a pustule
    coterie of Jew hating

    We don't hate Joobs. We hate assholes.
    , @Israel is a pustule
    We hate shtetl gonifim like your boy Bibi who exploit Jews the way Al Capone exploited Italians.
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  • @SolontoCroesus
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgBR-Jxbhsc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai2Y4s4BdsM

    ---

    OTOH -- take it easy on Sam "Easily amused" Shama and the horse he rode in on; Jews are confronting an extremely unpleasant situation: Trump has proposed shaving $3 million from the $57million holocaust museum budget. It's a shoah!

    $3 million = .0000789 -- about one week's worth --of the $3.8 billion USA forks over every year to the bestest friend (who ever wanted express their hatred for Americans by killing them).
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5584ba80-8eed-316e-a841-54ec0241a893/ss_%243m-cut-to-holocaust-museum.html

    nb check out the comments -- Norman Finkelstein cloned multiple times

    I propose a pity party for poor Jews who are faced with the mere thought of foregoing this loot.
    And a second pity party (no laughing!!) for pathetic Sam the Tennis dude, er, dud.

    my mistake:
    $3 million is not “one week’s worth” — 7 days — of the $3.8 billion US taxpayers shell out to subsidize Israel; it’s 7 hour’s worth.

    About the same number of hours Israel spent attacking and killing US sailors on the Liberty.

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    Oh dear, how long did that struggle last (the calculation i.e, followed by furrowed brows, veins popping on the forehead etc)? I have a suggestion for you: don't twist yourself in knots over these things. Even I felt embarrassed imagining your predicament.
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  • @Sam Shama
    Hi Incitatus:

    Game, Set and Match, I'd say!

    Best

    OTOH — take it easy on Sam “Easily amused” Shama and the horse he rode in on; Jews are confronting an extremely unpleasant situation: Trump has proposed shaving $3 million from the $57million holocaust museum budget. It’s a shoah!

    $3 million = .0000789 — about one week’s worth –of the $3.8 billion USA forks over every year to the bestest friend (who ever wanted express their hatred for Americans by killing them).

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5584ba80-8eed-316e-a841-54ec0241a893/ss_%243m-cut-to-holocaust-museum.html

    nb check out the comments — Norman Finkelstein cloned multiple times

    I propose a pity party for poor Jews who are faced with the mere thought of foregoing this loot.
    And a second pity party (no laughing!!) for pathetic Sam the Tennis dude, er, dud.

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    my mistake:
    $3 million is not "one week's worth" -- 7 days -- of the $3.8 billion US taxpayers shell out to subsidize Israel; it's 7 hour's worth.

    About the same number of hours Israel spent attacking and killing US sailors on the Liberty.
    , @Sam Shama
    The tennis analogy made you cross? Good heavens, man; issues there, some pitifully obvious, others a bit deeper, I suppose.

    Let's deal with the superficial one first. Tennis, a sore point with you, can only be remedied through long hours of practice. You don't have a serve and volley game, I suspect. Why do I say that? Your posts. Serve and volley requires precision and strength. Enough said. But don't be discouraged, five years of practice ought to get you past the local senior league qualifying rounds. You agree? Carry on then.

    Now for deeper ones. Well, one could write volumes, but really that won't do at all, to impose on the generosity of our host. Thus, I shall only hint. Germania. Eats away the little gray cells.

    Cheers
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  • @jilles dykstra
    I have the mentioned book by Taylor.
    But anyone who followed in detail the German campaign into Poland, the occupation of Norway, the attack on France, the occupation of Greece and N Africa, as well as the attack on Russia, knows that none of these were well prepared.
    Hitler overplayed with his attack on Poland, deliberately provoked by Poland after the guarantee of March 1939, thereafter he no longer was in control.

    How badly German war preparations were is demonstrated admirably by the fact that just in 1944 German war production was the highest.
    François de Wendel, a friend of the French Rothschildt, states that 'Hitler's big mistake was to underestimate the power of international jewry'.
    Jean-Noël Jeanneney, 'Francois de Wendel en République, L'Argent et le Pouvoir 1914-1940, Paris 1976

    The attack on France, bluff and French bungling
    Heinz Guderian, ‘Panzer Leader’, London 2000, 1952
    A. Goutard, ‘1940 La Guerre des Occasions Perdues’, Paris 1956

    The attack on Russia, defence:
    Bogdan Musial, ‘Kampfplatz Deutschland, Stalins Kriegspläne gegen den Westen’, Berlin 2008

    But anyone who followed in detail the German campaign into Poland, the occupation of Norway, the attack on France, the occupation of Greece and N Africa, as well as the attack on Russia, knows that none of these were well prepared.

    Another bit of evidence that they were not well prepared is this, if true.:

    Not many people know that the greatest use of horses in any military conflict in history was by the Germans in WWII: 80% of their entire transport was equestrian. Despite all the propaganda about Blitzkreig, formidable German R&D, industrial design and production, the day to day mechanics of that fighting force involved an average of 1.1 million horses throughout the war. Of the 322 German divisions in the middle of the war – 1943 – only 52 were armored or motorized.

    http://www.zdnet.com/blog/collaboration/the-wwii-german-army-was-80-horse-drawn-business-lessons-from-history/173

    Here’s another link with a similar message.

    http://lonesentry.com/articles/germanhorse/index.html

    When Pat Buchanan still wrote well, he wrote this classic.:

    http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068

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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    Muslim Turkey facilitates military age Muslim men from Syria , Pakistan , Afghanistan , Iraq to flow over their border into Europe and this is the fault of Jews and not Muslims .
     
    As you well know, being in the employ of the MFA, it's the fault of organized Jewry. Who drew up the plan to remake the ME by draining the swamp to remove those autocratic rulers who could not be convinced to abandon the Pals in their pitiful efforts to resist the brutal occupation? Didn't PNAC (cofounded by William Kristol and Robert Kaganovich) provide the blueprint in A Clean Break? Aren't they the ones who said "faster please" after they pushed for the invasion of Iraq? Didn't they push to take out 7 Muslim countries in 5 years? Hasn't the phony GWOT resulted in the spilling of gallons of blood and the spending of trillions of dollars?

    And you're here trying to explain to The Dumb Goyim who their true enemy is? And you try coming across as having The Dumb Goyim's best interests at heart?

    You guys must really think Goyim are dumber than cattle!

    A conspiracy inspired word salad. Up the Xanax stat , throw in some prozac and pad those walls. Its gonna be a doozy.

    Tl/dr :
    Muslims don’t have agency. Even when its 100% Muslims from start to finish you see an invisible Jewish hand pulling the strings. Bill Kristol GTFO lololololol. He rivals your cucking abilities . But you are top notch .

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  • @anonymous

    this isn’t a community college, everyone here has the sophistication to know that the entire ‘diversity’ genocide being perpetrated upon the West has ‘Jewish’ written all over it. Duh
     
    Muslim Turkey facilitates military age Muslim men from Syria , Pakistan , Afghanistan , Iraq to flow over their border into Europe and this is the fault of Jews and not Muslims . Muslim Turkey invaded and occupied European land : Cyprus and this is the fault of Jews . Said Muslim invaders occupy western Europe , rape the women and children at will and its the fault of Jews. Is it even possible for you to Cuck harder for Muslims ?

    it is the conflict that br0ught the US into the first world war, which guaranteed the second, and for which the world will fight the third.
     
    The lies never stop . But I think you are so obsessed that you may believe your lies.

    Israel did not exist in the First world war .Israel did not exist in the second world war . In between 1948 and 1967 the sacred Palestinian land was called Jordan and no one was calling for a separate state to be carved out of Jordan . Jordan occupies 78% of Palestine . Furthermore the Jordanian ruling class " Hashemites" have absolutely no claim to the land . They are a minority in their own kingdom. Hashemites are from Mecca , KSA . They used to rule KSA and were deposed by the Saud family. UK who administered Palestine gave these Hashemite Saudis the country of Jordan on a platter.


    the main concern we all need to have right now is with getting the Jewish supremacist Zionists out of the Golan Heights
     
    Yes surely , Golan Heights is the humanitarian crises of our day . Surely these statistics are just AngloZionist lies !!!!!!!!!!

    Golan Heights : 500 Square miles : Casualties 2300
    Occupied Papua : 138,000 Square miles : Casualties 500,000 +
    Occupied Western Sahara : 103,000 Square miles : Casualties 40,000 +
    Occupied Darfur :190,000 Square miles : Casualties 700,000 +

    Anyway keep cucking and D-riding as hard as possible for Muslims. It only serves to make you weaker ,Muslims weaker and Al Yahudi stronger !!!!!!!!!!!!

    You might be the " King of Cucks" . Whining and obsessing over Jews while Europe disappears forever at the hands of Muslims.

    Muslim Turkey facilitates military age Muslim men from Syria , Pakistan , Afghanistan , Iraq to flow over their border into Europe and this is the fault of Jews and not Muslims .

    As you well know, being in the employ of the MFA, it’s the fault of organized Jewry. Who drew up the plan to remake the ME by draining the swamp to remove those autocratic rulers who could not be convinced to abandon the Pals in their pitiful efforts to resist the brutal occupation? Didn’t PNAC (cofounded by William Kristol and Robert Kaganovich) provide the blueprint in A Clean Break? Aren’t they the ones who said “faster please” after they pushed for the invasion of Iraq? Didn’t they push to take out 7 Muslim countries in 5 years? Hasn’t the phony GWOT resulted in the spilling of gallons of blood and the spending of trillions of dollars?

    And you’re here trying to explain to The Dumb Goyim who their true enemy is? And you try coming across as having The Dumb Goyim’s best interests at heart?

    You guys must really think Goyim are dumber than cattle!

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    A conspiracy inspired word salad. Up the Xanax stat , throw in some prozac and pad those walls. Its gonna be a doozy.

    Tl/dr :
    Muslims don't have agency. Even when its 100% Muslims from start to finish you see an invisible Jewish hand pulling the strings. Bill Kristol GTFO lololololol. He rivals your cucking abilities . But you are top notch .
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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    Nothing to do with Jews.
     
    bullshit

    this isn't a community college, everyone here has the sophistication to know that the entire 'diversity' genocide being perpetrated upon the West has 'Jewish' written all over it. Duh.

    The Israel / Palestinian conflict is a minor one
     
    what a lying POS you are

    it is the conflict that br0ught the US into the first world war, which guaranteed the second, and for which the world will fight the third.

    that is hardly what anyone with a shred of brains or integrity would call a minor conflict

    the main concern we all need to have right now is with getting the Jewish supremacist Zionists out of the Golan Heights, because that is ground zero for the war on Syria and the Russian conflict. They need to get the fuck out of there right now, and Trump and the rest of the moral world needs to demand this as of yesterday. Fuck Genie Energy and Bibi and Dick Cheney and all the other rats that are hoping to make a killing selling Syria's oil.

    At least I'm sure you'll agree with that!

    this isn’t a community college, everyone here has the sophistication to know that the entire ‘diversity’ genocide being perpetrated upon the West has ‘Jewish’ written all over it. Duh

    Muslim Turkey facilitates military age Muslim men from Syria , Pakistan , Afghanistan , Iraq to flow over their border into Europe and this is the fault of Jews and not Muslims . Muslim Turkey invaded and occupied European land : Cyprus and this is the fault of Jews . Said Muslim invaders occupy western Europe , rape the women and children at will and its the fault of Jews. Is it even possible for you to Cuck harder for Muslims ?

    it is the conflict that br0ught the US into the first world war, which guaranteed the second, and for which the world will fight the third.

    The lies never stop . But I think you are so obsessed that you may believe your lies.

    Israel did not exist in the First world war .Israel did not exist in the second world war . In between 1948 and 1967 the sacred Palestinian land was called Jordan and no one was calling for a separate state to be carved out of Jordan . Jordan occupies 78% of Palestine . Furthermore the Jordanian ruling class ” Hashemites” have absolutely no claim to the land . They are a minority in their own kingdom. Hashemites are from Mecca , KSA . They used to rule KSA and were deposed by the Saud family. UK who administered Palestine gave these Hashemite Saudis the country of Jordan on a platter.

    the main concern we all need to have right now is with getting the Jewish supremacist Zionists out of the Golan Heights

    Yes surely , Golan Heights is the humanitarian crises of our day . Surely these statistics are just AngloZionist lies !!!!!!!!!!

    Golan Heights : 500 Square miles : Casualties 2300
    Occupied Papua : 138,000 Square miles : Casualties 500,000 +
    Occupied Western Sahara : 103,000 Square miles : Casualties 40,000 +
    Occupied Darfur :190,000 Square miles : Casualties 700,000 +

    Anyway keep cucking and D-riding as hard as possible for Muslims. It only serves to make you weaker ,Muslims weaker and Al Yahudi stronger !!!!!!!!!!!!

    You might be the ” King of Cucks” . Whining and obsessing over Jews while Europe disappears forever at the hands of Muslims.

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    • Replies: @geokat62

    Muslim Turkey facilitates military age Muslim men from Syria , Pakistan , Afghanistan , Iraq to flow over their border into Europe and this is the fault of Jews and not Muslims .
     
    As you well know, being in the employ of the MFA, it's the fault of organized Jewry. Who drew up the plan to remake the ME by draining the swamp to remove those autocratic rulers who could not be convinced to abandon the Pals in their pitiful efforts to resist the brutal occupation? Didn't PNAC (cofounded by William Kristol and Robert Kaganovich) provide the blueprint in A Clean Break? Aren't they the ones who said "faster please" after they pushed for the invasion of Iraq? Didn't they push to take out 7 Muslim countries in 5 years? Hasn't the phony GWOT resulted in the spilling of gallons of blood and the spending of trillions of dollars?

    And you're here trying to explain to The Dumb Goyim who their true enemy is? And you try coming across as having The Dumb Goyim's best interests at heart?

    You guys must really think Goyim are dumber than cattle!

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  • Nothing to do with Jews.

    bullshit

    this isn’t a community college, everyone here has the sophistication to know that the entire ‘diversity’ genocide being perpetrated upon the West has ‘Jewish’ written all over it. Duh.

    The Israel / Palestinian conflict is a minor one

    what a lying POS you are

    it is the conflict that br0ught the US into the first world war, which guaranteed the second, and for which the world will fight the third.

    that is hardly what anyone with a shred of brains or integrity would call a minor conflict

    the main concern we all need to have right now is with getting the Jewish supremacist Zionists out of the Golan Heights, because that is ground zero for the war on Syria and the Russian conflict. They need to get the fuck out of there right now, and Trump and the rest of the moral world needs to demand this as of yesterday. Fuck Genie Energy and Bibi and Dick Cheney and all the other rats that are hoping to make a killing selling Syria’s oil.

    At least I’m sure you’ll agree with that!

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    • Replies: @anonymous

    this isn’t a community college, everyone here has the sophistication to know that the entire ‘diversity’ genocide being perpetrated upon the West has ‘Jewish’ written all over it. Duh
     
    Muslim Turkey facilitates military age Muslim men from Syria , Pakistan , Afghanistan , Iraq to flow over their border into Europe and this is the fault of Jews and not Muslims . Muslim Turkey invaded and occupied European land : Cyprus and this is the fault of Jews . Said Muslim invaders occupy western Europe , rape the women and children at will and its the fault of Jews. Is it even possible for you to Cuck harder for Muslims ?

    it is the conflict that br0ught the US into the first world war, which guaranteed the second, and for which the world will fight the third.
     
    The lies never stop . But I think you are so obsessed that you may believe your lies.

    Israel did not exist in the First world war .Israel did not exist in the second world war . In between 1948 and 1967 the sacred Palestinian land was called Jordan and no one was calling for a separate state to be carved out of Jordan . Jordan occupies 78% of Palestine . Furthermore the Jordanian ruling class " Hashemites" have absolutely no claim to the land . They are a minority in their own kingdom. Hashemites are from Mecca , KSA . They used to rule KSA and were deposed by the Saud family. UK who administered Palestine gave these Hashemite Saudis the country of Jordan on a platter.


    the main concern we all need to have right now is with getting the Jewish supremacist Zionists out of the Golan Heights
     
    Yes surely , Golan Heights is the humanitarian crises of our day . Surely these statistics are just AngloZionist lies !!!!!!!!!!

    Golan Heights : 500 Square miles : Casualties 2300
    Occupied Papua : 138,000 Square miles : Casualties 500,000 +
    Occupied Western Sahara : 103,000 Square miles : Casualties 40,000 +
    Occupied Darfur :190,000 Square miles : Casualties 700,000 +

    Anyway keep cucking and D-riding as hard as possible for Muslims. It only serves to make you weaker ,Muslims weaker and Al Yahudi stronger !!!!!!!!!!!!

    You might be the " King of Cucks" . Whining and obsessing over Jews while Europe disappears forever at the hands of Muslims.

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    their energy goes to ensuring that the Muslims living in Israel are treated up to their exacting standards while watching their own people become exterminated in Europe at the hands of Muslims.
     
    you're missing the point

    the point is that Muslims (nor anyone else in transformative numbers) belong in the West. All peoples are entitled to self-determination. The people of Europa, the people of Palestine, the people of Syria and the Jewish people.

    the problem is that for some Jewish people, they don't agree. They don't agree that all people's are entitled to self-determination. They demand that Europa be invaded and overrun with rapists and diversity of every kind. And they also demand out of the other side of their faces that Israel be allowed to ethically cleanse the Arabs in Palestine from their lands. You see?

    That is the problem. The lying, duplicitous, hypocritical bullshit that emanates out of the rancid id of the Zionist.

    And they'd be laughed at, at best, except that Jews own the Federal Reserve Bank! And that gives them the power to seek both the destruction of Europe and N. America, as you point out, and the genocide and ethnic cleansing that is causing so many wars and atrocities the world over.


    This is all quite elementary for anyone that's been paying attention, but occasionally it deserves to be repeated in the face of lies and distortions.

    the problem is that for some Jewish people, they don’t agree. They don’t agree that all people’s are entitled to self-determination. They demand that Europa be invaded and overrun with rapists and diversity of every kind

    Nothing to do with Jews. The invaders are Muslims . The rapists are Muslims .The facilitators are Turkish Muslims and Italian Christians. The Turkish government facilitates the land route and the Italian military facilitates the sea route.

    And they also demand out of the other side of their faces that Israel be allowed to ethically cleanse the Arabs in Palestine from their lands. You see?
    That is the problem. The lying, duplicitous, hypocritical bullshit that emanates out of the rancid id of the Zionist.

    The Israel / Palestinian conflict is a minor one concerning a land dispute of 2,000 square miles and the death of 20,000 Palestinians. The major ethnic cleansing has occurred in Sudan : 700,000 killed and over a million ethnically cleansed and hundreds of thousands raped and occupation of over 100,000 square miles. Indonesian occupation of Papua with over half a million killed and over 130,000 square miles occupied and ethnic cleansing in the form of trans migrasi in the millions. You will lose Europe but not because of Jews. Because while you are obsessing of Jewish boogy men , Muslims will overrun your lands and steal and rape your women and children. Enjoy…………

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    ** facilitators are Turkish Muslims and Italian Christians **

    You're right about the moronic Italians, whether Christians or not. Germans deserve top billing for being morons too, of course. Turks are not facilitators. They just point west and the European Union makes sure the borders are open and travel is unimpeded. The British help generate refugees in Syria (a small part of the overall picture of predatory migration) but, again, that's not the problem. Migrant flow can be stopped everywhere in Europe no later than 5:00 p.m. today if the Europeans decided to do that.

    How do you assess Barbara Lerner Specter? Is she an aberration? She talks of the leading role that Jews will play in making Europe "multicultural" and less "monolithic." What does she mean by "monolithic"?
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  • their energy goes to ensuring that the Muslims living in Israel are treated up to their exacting standards while watching their own people become exterminated in Europe at the hands of Muslims.

    you’re missing the point

    the point is that Muslims (nor anyone else in transformative numbers) belong in the West. All peoples are entitled to self-determination. The people of Europa, the people of Palestine, the people of Syria and the Jewish people.

    the problem is that for some Jewish people, they don’t agree. They don’t agree that all people’s are entitled to self-determination. They demand that Europa be invaded and overrun with rapists and diversity of every kind. And they also demand out of the other side of their faces that Israel be allowed to ethically cleanse the Arabs in Palestine from their lands. You see?

    That is the problem. The lying, duplicitous, hypocritical bullshit that emanates out of the rancid id of the Zionist.

    And they’d be laughed at, at best, except that Jews own the Federal Reserve Bank! And that gives them the power to seek both the destruction of Europe and N. America, as you point out, and the genocide and ethnic cleansing that is causing so many wars and atrocities the world over.

    This is all quite elementary for anyone that’s been paying attention, but occasionally it deserves to be repeated in the face of lies and distortions.

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    • Replies: @anonymous

    the problem is that for some Jewish people, they don’t agree. They don’t agree that all people’s are entitled to self-determination. They demand that Europa be invaded and overrun with rapists and diversity of every kind
     
    Nothing to do with Jews. The invaders are Muslims . The rapists are Muslims .The facilitators are Turkish Muslims and Italian Christians. The Turkish government facilitates the land route and the Italian military facilitates the sea route.

    And they also demand out of the other side of their faces that Israel be allowed to ethically cleanse the Arabs in Palestine from their lands. You see?
    That is the problem. The lying, duplicitous, hypocritical bullshit that emanates out of the rancid id of the Zionist.
     
    The Israel / Palestinian conflict is a minor one concerning a land dispute of 2,000 square miles and the death of 20,000 Palestinians. The major ethnic cleansing has occurred in Sudan : 700,000 killed and over a million ethnically cleansed and hundreds of thousands raped and occupation of over 100,000 square miles. Indonesian occupation of Papua with over half a million killed and over 130,000 square miles occupied and ethnic cleansing in the form of trans migrasi in the millions. You will lose Europe but not because of Jews. Because while you are obsessing of Jewish boogy men , Muslims will overrun your lands and steal and rape your women and children. Enjoy............
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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Che Guava
    Priss,

    That is probably the worst comment of yours that I have read.

    Your classification of Jews misses at least one important group:those opposed to the state of Israel on religious grounds.

    They are the true religious ultra-Orthodox.

    What the western press refers to as that, are not ultra-Orthodox, but just ultra-violent Orthodox.

    There are so many other stupid ideas on other topics in your post, but my battery is running low, so will closing there for now.

    Your classification of Jews misses at least one important group:those opposed to the state of Israel on religious grounds.
    They are the true religious ultra-Orthodox.

    There are 2 groups of Jews that are opposed to the state of Israel on religious grounds :
    Neturei Karta : 5,000 members of this group worldwide .
    Satmar : 100,000 members worldwide. There is a split in Satmar so only about half are against the jewish state on religious grounds.

    There are estimated to be 16 million Jews in the world. This 55,00 are a vanishingly small proportion of Jews . Orthodox Jews number 3 million so even among them the percentage of anti Israel jews is very small .

    Many people would argue that Satmar and Neturei Karta are not orthodox jews as they ignore much of the Torah themselves , just different parts than non orthodox Jews ignore. People see them in their funny garb and assume that they are religious but Neteuri Karta members dress in gold and jeweled robes , fur hats and expensive accoutrements . hardly the modest and humble dress required of them . In fact their dress has zero to do with Judaism and is in fact copying the styles of 17thh century polish nobility.

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor
    There are many kinds of Jews.

    1. Religious Jews who are into Jewish Power.

    2. Religious Jews who are only into Jewish religion.

    3. Secular Jews who reject Jewishness altogether.

    4. Secular Jews who are rah-rah for Jewish power.

    5. Secular Jews who embrace Jewishness but are critical of Jewish power.

    Finkelstein belongs to #5.

    I think many Jews privately agree with Finkelstein on many matters, but they feel it's advantageous to play up the Victim Card because they see the world in terms of zero/sum game: Jews have total power or Jews have nothing. Jews can only be an Extreme People. Extremely Powerful OR Extremely Persecuted. Why? Because Jews are smart, driven, pushy, and often devious. So, this leads to a lot of wealth, influence, and abuse of power. And this naturally leads to envy, resentment, and anger(some of it justified) on the part of goyim. And once goyim get angry, they might want to pull Jews down, and then, Jews will be persecuted again.
    So, Jews must be All Powerful or Persecuted. Jews cannot be a Normal People because of their outsized talents, personality, and cunning.

    Therefore, even though many Jews agree with Finkelstein's criticism of Jewish power, they believe there is no Sane or Normal way for Jews. It's either Their Way or the Highway.
    Because Jews have so much power, abused too much power, and have too many skeletons in the closet, they mustn't given an inch. Given an inch, and the 'anti-Semites' will smell the blood and attack more and more.

    Still, things could be changing among the younger generation.. and then maybe there will be a real fracture in Global Jewish Power, something similar to the division in the Muslim World between Sunnis and Shias(though nothing on that scale). Because Jews are far smaller in number than the Muslims and because of the magnitude of WWII and Holocaust and also due to shared ethnicity(whereas Muslims are of various races and ethnicity), Jews have been relatively cohesive in their power politics.

    The Saudi vs Iran spat is heating up lately with the Qatar crisis.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEsuVfO4jtQ

    Perhaps, Saudis wouldn't be so anti-Iran if Iran were ruled by a secular leader like the Shah. But because it is an Islamic Republic, what it stands for poses a challenge to the Saudi Royal Family as the true patrons of Islamism. If Iran were ruled by secularists, Shia-ism would be just another sect. But because Shia-ism has the full backing of the Iranian regime, it poses a challenge to the House of Saud, whose cultural legitimacy has been backed by funding Sunni Wahabitism that, in turn, has blessed the family. Without the backing of Wahabism, the House of Saud is just rich Arabs with too much money. And this is why Qatar's less hostile approach to Iran is threatening to Saudis. Saudis fear peace with Iran more than war with Iran. Peace with Iran would mean House of Saud accepting the legitimacy of Iran as champion of Shia-ism as the other representative of Islam. That is threatening to Saudi's role as the Sole standard bearer of True Islam. And then, Wahabis will lose respect for the House of Saud for having reneged on its role the defenders of True Islam. Sunnis can tolerate Shias as the other sect, but they cannot tolerate Shia-ism as state-backed version of the other True Islam.

    In a way, Saudi Arabia and Iran are both theocracies but in reversed order. In Saudi Arabia, the real power is with the Royal Family, but its legitimacy depends on the Wahabi clerics.
    In Iran, the real power is with the clerics, but it operates through the apparatus of a modern 'democratic' state.
    In a way, the fact that Iranians are Persians is both a problem and a relief to the Saudis. It is a problem because Arabs and Persians are different, like Arabs and Kurds. But it's a relief to the Saudis because if Shia Iranians were all Arabs, Shia-ism would pose even a greater threat as not only the Other Islam but as the faith of other Arabs.

    Even though there are different kinds of Jews, the rifts are under control and there's nothing among Jews that comes close to the poisonous hostility that exists among Muslims.

    The cucking on this site is beyond imagination . While Muslims are grooming and pimping thousands of white Christian girls ages 12 and up all over England , while muslims kidnap white Christian children and degrade and urinate on them in Utah and other states that take refugees , while Muslims are flooding Europe , while Muslims rape white Christian girls in the streets of Germany , while they take over Europe with generous welfare subsidies to have dozens of children and White European women have zero children these cucks actually spend their time cucking for Muslims in Israel . They were silent when Turkey invaded and occupied Europe and created a base in Cyprus which still exists to this day . Then Turkey flooded Europe with Muslims who are quickly taking over Western Europe but still the majority of their energy goes to ensuring that the Muslims living in Israel are treated up to their exacting standards while watching their own people become exterminated in Europe at the hands of Muslims. Cucking nonpareil ………………

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    The Unz.com coterie of Jew hating cuckoos are fighting the last war while Islam slowly devours Europe. Delivery from sin and evil is easier than delivery from rigidized stupidity.
    , @Druid
    Anonymous coward!
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  • @Incitatus
    “The word is “object”…”

    That’s rich coming from you jacues/jacques. Correcting Shama on typos, that’s where you’ve fallen?

    Still, we can all be thankful you don’t drag another irrelevant classical quote into your compostual remarks. It’s obvious you’ve not read any classics (reading meaning something more than cutting and pasting).

    But, sure as shootin, there’s no doubt you’ve immersed yourself in Harry Elmer Barnes! No surprise there. ‘Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Führer’ ring a bell?. Harry was certainly a want-to-be dachshund polishing table legs with his nonsense.

    There’s just one question jacues/jacques. How did nasty FDR get saintly Dolf to declare war on the USA 11 Dec ‘41? We’d all like to know.

    Many other questions come to mind (did FDR make Dolf forget winter coats am osten in ‘41? Did FDR goad Dolf into ordering the destruction of Germany in ‘45? Etc). Doubtless you know all the true history. Let it out! Surely jilles will help!

    Many tell me I’m crazy to have faith in you jacues/jacques. Have to be honest. Somehow I doubt you’ll be able to spin a rational account. Surprise me (us), please.

    Minor issue. Hate bringing this up, but scourging posters for a typo makes me sensitive to your best interest. Your #66 reply is to “Jyles.” His screen name is “jilles dykstra.” Jyles vs. jilles?

    Typo? What gives, jacues/jacques? Is this, as Yogi would, say déjà vu all over again? You - being French - know what that means of course. Give us clue.

    For the archive:

    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/who-got-us-into-these-endless-wars/#comment-1526974

    Incitatus #68 12aug16 "btw shouldn’t ‘Jacues’ be spelled ‘Jacques’?"

    Jacues Sheete reply #83 13aug16 "At one time it was, but your mention of it is as irrelevant as it is petty. Anyway it’s about time you became aware that it’s pretty common for folks to vary things a little. "

    Hi Incitatus:

    Game, Set and Match, I’d say!

    Best

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgBR-Jxbhsc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai2Y4s4BdsM

    ---

    OTOH -- take it easy on Sam "Easily amused" Shama and the horse he rode in on; Jews are confronting an extremely unpleasant situation: Trump has proposed shaving $3 million from the $57million holocaust museum budget. It's a shoah!

    $3 million = .0000789 -- about one week's worth --of the $3.8 billion USA forks over every year to the bestest friend (who ever wanted express their hatred for Americans by killing them).
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5584ba80-8eed-316e-a841-54ec0241a893/ss_%243m-cut-to-holocaust-museum.html

    nb check out the comments -- Norman Finkelstein cloned multiple times

    I propose a pity party for poor Jews who are faced with the mere thought of foregoing this loot.
    And a second pity party (no laughing!!) for pathetic Sam the Tennis dude, er, dud.

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  • @jacques sheete

    FDR deliberately provoked the attack, through his oil boycott...
     
    He also had been waging financial war on Japan before that, such as freezing assets in July, 1941, and closing the Panama Canal to Japanese shipping earlier that year. Besides oil, he embargoed other necessities such as iron and rubber.

    Beyond that he and elements of his admin waged an increasingly nasty diplomatic war by making outrageous demands on the Japanese and snubbing and humiliating them whenever possible. He also began supporting the Chinese when they were at war with Japan.

    Your Barnes reference is top notch.

    There of course is much more:
    Frederick W. Marks III, ‘Wind over Sand, The diplomacy of Franklin Roosevelt’, 1988 Athens Georgia
    Charles A. Beard, ‘American Foreign Policy in the Making, 1932 – 1940, A study in responsibilities’, New Haven, 1946
    John T. Flynn, ´The Roosevelt Myth, A critical account of the New Deal and its creator’, New York 1948, 1949
    Frans Kurowski, ‘Der Thomas E. Mahl, ‘Desperate deception, British covert operations in the United States 1939-44’, Dulles, Virginia, 1998
    Bruce Allen Murphy, ‘The Brandeis/Frankfurter Connection, The Secret Political Activities of Two Supreme Court Justices’, New York, 1983
    Dirk Bavendamm, ‘Roosevelt’s Krieg 1937-45, und das Rätsel von Pearl Harbor’, München, 1993

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  • @jacques sheete
    Jyles, thank you for your contributions here. They are consistently informative.

    In case you or others are not aware, Ron Unz has provided another superb site for the interested, and it can be positively addicting.

    Tons of info online and free, courtesy of RU!


    http://www.unz.org/Pub/

    Here's a link (again courtesy of Ron Unz) to another good WW2 source.:

    The Origins of the Second World War (1961) by A.J.P. Taylor - BORROW/READ

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/TaylorAJP-1961?View=OL_1

    Note:There is a lot there by A.J. Nock and Mencken, both of whom I bet you could appreciate in case you're not familiar with them.

    I have the mentioned book by Taylor.
    But anyone who followed in detail the German campaign into Poland, the occupation of Norway, the attack on France, the occupation of Greece and N Africa, as well as the attack on Russia, knows that none of these were well prepared.
    Hitler overplayed with his attack on Poland, deliberately provoked by Poland after the guarantee of March 1939, thereafter he no longer was in control.

    How badly German war preparations were is demonstrated admirably by the fact that just in 1944 German war production was the highest.
    François de Wendel, a friend of the French Rothschildt, states that ‘Hitler’s big mistake was to underestimate the power of international jewry’.
    Jean-Noël Jeanneney, ‘Francois de Wendel en République, L’Argent et le Pouvoir 1914-1940, Paris 1976

    The attack on France, bluff and French bungling
    Heinz Guderian, ‘Panzer Leader’, London 2000, 1952
    A. Goutard, ‘1940 La Guerre des Occasions Perdues’, Paris 1956

    The attack on Russia, defence:
    Bogdan Musial, ‘Kampfplatz Deutschland, Stalins Kriegspläne gegen den Westen’, Berlin 2008

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    But anyone who followed in detail the German campaign into Poland, the occupation of Norway, the attack on France, the occupation of Greece and N Africa, as well as the attack on Russia, knows that none of these were well prepared.
     
    Another bit of evidence that they were not well prepared is this, if true.:

    Not many people know that the greatest use of horses in any military conflict in history was by the Germans in WWII: 80% of their entire transport was equestrian. Despite all the propaganda about Blitzkreig, formidable German R&D, industrial design and production, the day to day mechanics of that fighting force involved an average of 1.1 million horses throughout the war. Of the 322 German divisions in the middle of the war - 1943 - only 52 were armored or motorized.

    http://www.zdnet.com/blog/collaboration/the-wwii-german-army-was-80-horse-drawn-business-lessons-from-history/173
     

    Here's another link with a similar message.

    http://lonesentry.com/articles/germanhorse/index.html

    When Pat Buchanan still wrote well, he wrote this classic.:

    http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068

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  • Is Norman suggesting that a great military victory did not actually happen the way everyone thinks it happened? This is unprecedented.

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  • @jacques sheete

    For someone whose only “obect is to communicate“,
     
    The word is "object"...

    “The word is “object”…”

    That’s rich coming from you jacues/jacques. Correcting Shama on typos, that’s where you’ve fallen?

    Still, we can all be thankful you don’t drag another irrelevant classical quote into your compostual remarks. It’s obvious you’ve not read any classics (reading meaning something more than cutting and pasting).

    But, sure as shootin, there’s no doubt you’ve immersed yourself in Harry Elmer Barnes! No surprise there. ‘Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Führer’ ring a bell?. Harry was certainly a want-to-be dachshund polishing table legs with his nonsense.

    There’s just one question jacues/jacques. How did nasty FDR get saintly Dolf to declare war on the USA 11 Dec ‘41? We’d all like to know.

    Many other questions come to mind (did FDR make Dolf forget winter coats am osten in ‘41? Did FDR goad Dolf into ordering the destruction of Germany in ‘45? Etc). Doubtless you know all the true history. Let it out! Surely jilles will help!

    Many tell me I’m crazy to have faith in you jacues/jacques. Have to be honest. Somehow I doubt you’ll be able to spin a rational account. Surprise me (us), please.

    Minor issue. Hate bringing this up, but scourging posters for a typo makes me sensitive to your best interest. Your #66 reply is to “Jyles.” His screen name is “jilles dykstra.” Jyles vs. jilles?

    Typo? What gives, jacues/jacques? Is this, as Yogi would, say déjà vu all over again? You – being French – know what that means of course. Give us clue.

    For the archive:

    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/who-got-us-into-these-endless-wars/#comment-1526974

    Incitatus #68 12aug16 “btw shouldn’t ‘Jacues’ be spelled ‘Jacques’?”

    Jacues Sheete reply #83 13aug16 “At one time it was, but your mention of it is as irrelevant as it is petty. Anyway it’s about time you became aware that it’s pretty common for folks to vary things a little. “

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    Hi Incitatus:

    Game, Set and Match, I'd say!

    Best
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  • @Art
    From the link: Believing in Jesus, however, is enough to place one beyond the pale: 60% of U.S. Jews say a person cannot be Jewish if he or she believes Jesus was the messiah.

    What does it say about a people who hate the greatest thing that they produced?

    Clearly Jesus created the greatest most benign philosophy for living in all of human history.

    Clearly the objectionable part of the Christian religion is the part rooted in Judaism. Clearly Judaism is baggage for the philosophical adherents of Jesus.

    Clearly Jesus thought of himself as a religious Jew. When Jews hate religious Jesus, they are hating his religious Jewness.

    Jews who are not religious and are secular, also hate Jesus. Jewness is not only about a god religion – but it is primarily about tribe. Being a Jew is a biological test – not a test of faith.

    “Christ” is a European name. Jesus became European and universal and neighborly – and Jews hate that.

    There are so many different Jew sects – Jew culture has a tendency to implode - is hate for Jesus, now the main thing that binds them. How very very sick, how sad.

    It says precisely nothing about hate and everything about belief. If a person believes in Jesus, then he’s Christian, not Jewish.

    Do you need a Venn diagram?

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  • @Wally
    Everyone but you.

    So what’s he saying?

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  • Art says:
    @Sam Shama
    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewish-american-beliefs-attitudes-culture-survey/

    From the link: Believing in Jesus, however, is enough to place one beyond the pale: 60% of U.S. Jews say a person cannot be Jewish if he or she believes Jesus was the messiah.

    What does it say about a people who hate the greatest thing that they produced?

    Clearly Jesus created the greatest most benign philosophy for living in all of human history.

    Clearly the objectionable part of the Christian religion is the part rooted in Judaism. Clearly Judaism is baggage for the philosophical adherents of Jesus.

    Clearly Jesus thought of himself as a religious Jew. When Jews hate religious Jesus, they are hating his religious Jewness.

    Jews who are not religious and are secular, also hate Jesus. Jewness is not only about a god religion – but it is primarily about tribe. Being a Jew is a biological test – not a test of faith.

    “Christ” is a European name. Jesus became European and universal and neighborly – and Jews hate that.

    There are so many different Jew sects – Jew culture has a tendency to implode – is hate for Jesus, now the main thing that binds them. How very very sick, how sad.

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    It says precisely nothing about hate and everything about belief. If a person believes in Jesus, then he's Christian, not Jewish.

    Do you need a Venn diagram?
    , @RobinG
    "ACT FOR AMERICA" REALLY ACTS FOR ISRAEL

    Art, you have to see this. "Alt-Right" controlled opposition by Mossad.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogZ4CmxukYQ

    Brigitte Gabriel = MOSSAD Asset.
    "March against Sharia," Act for America or Israel ?
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  • @Anon
    D0es anyone have any idea what he's actually saying?

    Everyone but you.

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    So what's he saying?
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  • @Delinquent Snail
    I dont have a problem. In fact, i support all discussions. I dont know if what your saying is true or not, but that doesnt matter. No topic should be off limits to discussion or investigation. Period. If a subject or event is not allowed to be talked about, chances are it probably has several falsehoods embedded into its narrative.
    Regardless if you beleive in the holocaust or not, anyone anywhere should be able to openly discuss the finer details and not have to worry about being labeled an anti-semite because there are several inconsistencies in the official narrative.
    So keep it up. Spread the word and hopefully it sparks enough interest in the subject that it can be talked about without the shadow of jews descending upon it like vultures smelling dinner getting ripe in the desert sun.

    Thanks, well said.

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  • @Delinquent Snail
    Sounds to me like American politicians are some of the most petty statesmen ever, and have been that way for over a century. Its rather sad, knowing this. You lose a lot of respect for your country when the realisation sinks in.....

    Sounds to me like American politicians are some of the most petty statesmen ever, and have been that way for over a century. Its rather sad, knowing this. You lose a lot of respect for your country when the realisation sinks in…..

    I’ve come to a similar conclusion. Even some of them have, see Beveridge, v.i..

    It’s especially loathsome to discover that they eagerly and repeatedly sacrifice our blood and treasure for their dastradly whims.

    Even the would be Lincoln hagiographer, and US hyper imperialist, the flag waving US Senator, Albert J. Beveridge, was shocked at what he found when he began researching his boyhood hero, Lincoln. Most of what he “knew” was campaign rhetoric and outright fabrication.

    “The more research that Beveridge did the more disgusted he became with the “slush and rot” [those were Beveridge's own words.]that had been—and was being—written about Lincoln. There were a few exceptions. Although marred by poor writing, insufficient research, and lack of impartiality, Nicolay and Hay’s ten-volume Abraham Lincoln: A History (1890) had much “invaluable material.”

    http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/jala/25.2/braeman.html

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  • @Delinquent Snail
    Hes asked at first how many days hes worked in his life. He responds with "6". He then tells a story about how he worked at a restaurant and was told to clean some pans. He takes them to the beach and soaks them overnight. But he doesnt realize that there are tides and they are lost. Hes then ordered to buy new pans, he takes the money and splits.
    Its on youtube with real subtitles. I was hoping it would be actually something funny, but that guy just exemplifies all the negative stereotypes associated with mexicans.

    What the hell is he laughing about?

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  • @jacques sheete

    FDR deliberately provoked the attack, through his oil boycott...
     
    He also had been waging financial war on Japan before that, such as freezing assets in July, 1941, and closing the Panama Canal to Japanese shipping earlier that year. Besides oil, he embargoed other necessities such as iron and rubber.

    Beyond that he and elements of his admin waged an increasingly nasty diplomatic war by making outrageous demands on the Japanese and snubbing and humiliating them whenever possible. He also began supporting the Chinese when they were at war with Japan.

    Your Barnes reference is top notch.

    Sounds to me like American politicians are some of the most petty statesmen ever, and have been that way for over a century. Its rather sad, knowing this. You lose a lot of respect for your country when the realisation sinks in…..

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    Sounds to me like American politicians are some of the most petty statesmen ever, and have been that way for over a century. Its rather sad, knowing this. You lose a lot of respect for your country when the realisation sinks in…..
     
    I've come to a similar conclusion. Even some of them have, see Beveridge, v.i..

    It's especially loathsome to discover that they eagerly and repeatedly sacrifice our blood and treasure for their dastradly whims.

    Even the would be Lincoln hagiographer, and US hyper imperialist, the flag waving US Senator, Albert J. Beveridge, was shocked at what he found when he began researching his boyhood hero, Lincoln. Most of what he “knew” was campaign rhetoric and outright fabrication.


    “The more research that Beveridge did the more disgusted he became with the "slush and rot" [those were Beveridge's own words.]that had been—and was being—written about Lincoln. There were a few exceptions. Although marred by poor writing, insufficient research, and lack of impartiality, Nicolay and Hay's ten-volume Abraham Lincoln: A History (1890) had much "invaluable material."

    http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/jala/25.2/braeman.html
     

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  • @Wally
    Indeed, for good reason most people like it because of what he's laughing at.

    And yes, I spread it around. So what?

    Mother and I used to get up at four in the morning [at Belsen], to avoid the queues of people waiting to use the shower block about and hour later. We undressed and showered our bodies with ice-cold water. The only soap we had was a barrel of honey-coloured liquid soap, manufactured out of human flesh from the bodies of people shot by the SS on the transports. Many times we wondered: 'Could this be my brother, my sister, another relation?

    - Gena Turgel nee Goldfinger, I Light a Candle, London: Grafton, 1987, p. 102.
     

    Holocaust Tours
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    Guide : Dr Waitman Beorn
    Tour price: £2095.00
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    Selling fast
    http://www.theculturalexperience.com/tour10008/battlefield-tours/the-holocaust-battlefield-tour.html?sid=8a5cae8924183e2279d7b2ca4ef8f90c
     
    Only Liars Want Censorship
    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    I dont have a problem. In fact, i support all discussions. I dont know if what your saying is true or not, but that doesnt matter. No topic should be off limits to discussion or investigation. Period. If a subject or event is not allowed to be talked about, chances are it probably has several falsehoods embedded into its narrative.
    Regardless if you beleive in the holocaust or not, anyone anywhere should be able to openly discuss the finer details and not have to worry about being labeled an anti-semite because there are several inconsistencies in the official narrative.
    So keep it up. Spread the word and hopefully it sparks enough interest in the subject that it can be talked about without the shadow of jews descending upon it like vultures smelling dinner getting ripe in the desert sun.

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    Thanks, well said.
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  • @Anon
    D0es anyone have any idea what he's actually saying?

    Hes asked at first how many days hes worked in his life. He responds with “6″. He then tells a story about how he worked at a restaurant and was told to clean some pans. He takes them to the beach and soaks them overnight. But he doesnt realize that there are tides and they are lost. Hes then ordered to buy new pans, he takes the money and splits.
    Its on youtube with real subtitles. I was hoping it would be actually something funny, but that guy just exemplifies all the negative stereotypes associated with mexicans.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    What the hell is he laughing about?
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  • @jilles dykstra
    FDR deliberately provoked the attack, through his oil boycott, and knew accurately the hour when Japan would strike.
    Harry Elmer Barnes, ed., ‘Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace, A critical examination of the foreign policy of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and its aftermath’, Caldwell, Idaho, 1953

    Jyles, thank you for your contributions here. They are consistently informative.

    In case you or others are not aware, Ron Unz has provided another superb site for the interested, and it can be positively addicting.

    Tons of info online and free, courtesy of RU!

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/

    Here’s a link (again courtesy of Ron Unz) to another good WW2 source.:

    The Origins of the Second World War (1961) by A.J.P. Taylor – BORROW/READ

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/TaylorAJP-1961?View=OL_1

    Note:There is a lot there by A.J. Nock and Mencken, both of whom I bet you could appreciate in case you’re not familiar with them.

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    I have the mentioned book by Taylor.
    But anyone who followed in detail the German campaign into Poland, the occupation of Norway, the attack on France, the occupation of Greece and N Africa, as well as the attack on Russia, knows that none of these were well prepared.
    Hitler overplayed with his attack on Poland, deliberately provoked by Poland after the guarantee of March 1939, thereafter he no longer was in control.

    How badly German war preparations were is demonstrated admirably by the fact that just in 1944 German war production was the highest.
    François de Wendel, a friend of the French Rothschildt, states that 'Hitler's big mistake was to underestimate the power of international jewry'.
    Jean-Noël Jeanneney, 'Francois de Wendel en République, L'Argent et le Pouvoir 1914-1940, Paris 1976

    The attack on France, bluff and French bungling
    Heinz Guderian, ‘Panzer Leader’, London 2000, 1952
    A. Goutard, ‘1940 La Guerre des Occasions Perdues’, Paris 1956

    The attack on Russia, defence:
    Bogdan Musial, ‘Kampfplatz Deutschland, Stalins Kriegspläne gegen den Westen’, Berlin 2008
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  • @jilles dykstra
    FDR deliberately provoked the attack, through his oil boycott, and knew accurately the hour when Japan would strike.
    Harry Elmer Barnes, ed., ‘Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace, A critical examination of the foreign policy of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and its aftermath’, Caldwell, Idaho, 1953

    FDR deliberately provoked the attack, through his oil boycott…

    He also had been waging financial war on Japan before that, such as freezing assets in July, 1941, and closing the Panama Canal to Japanese shipping earlier that year. Besides oil, he embargoed other necessities such as iron and rubber.

    Beyond that he and elements of his admin waged an increasingly nasty diplomatic war by making outrageous demands on the Japanese and snubbing and humiliating them whenever possible. He also began supporting the Chinese when they were at war with Japan.

    Your Barnes reference is top notch.

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    Sounds to me like American politicians are some of the most petty statesmen ever, and have been that way for over a century. Its rather sad, knowing this. You lose a lot of respect for your country when the realisation sinks in.....
    , @jilles dykstra
    There of course is much more:
    Frederick W. Marks III, 'Wind over Sand, The diplomacy of Franklin Roosevelt', 1988 Athens Georgia
    Charles A. Beard, ‘American Foreign Policy in the Making, 1932 – 1940, A study in responsibilities’, New Haven, 1946
    John T. Flynn, ´The Roosevelt Myth, A critical account of the New Deal and its creator’, New York 1948, 1949
    Frans Kurowski, 'Der Thomas E. Mahl, ‘Desperate deception, British covert operations in the United States 1939-44’, Dulles, Virginia, 1998
    Bruce Allen Murphy, ‘The Brandeis/Frankfurter Connection, The Secret Political Activities of Two Supreme Court Justices’, New York, 1983
    Dirk Bavendamm, ‘Roosevelt’s Krieg 1937-45, und das Rätsel von Pearl Harbor’, München, 1993
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  • @jacques sheete

    For someone whose only “obect is to communicate“,
     
    The word is "object"...

    Rocked the firmaments your wretchedness? My object was to draw all your bile to the surface. Even G’d caught a bit of it.

    You are welcome.

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  • @Sam Shama
    [I must have some “Jewish” genes then. Maybe I should change my handle to “Kvetch.”Anyway, that’s my problem, not yours, and why is it relevant to this discussion?]

    Quite confident you don't have any Jewish genes. You may use Kvetch if you wish, but I'd suggest Schnorrer. For someone whose only "obect is to communicate", it shouldn't escape you, the effect of your general disposition: it screams "fuck the world". Incessantly.

    For someone whose only “obect is to communicate“,

    The word is “object”…

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Rocked the firmaments your wretchedness? My object was to draw all your bile to the surface. Even G'd caught a bit of it.

    You are welcome.

    , @Incitatus
    “The word is “object”…”

    That’s rich coming from you jacues/jacques. Correcting Shama on typos, that’s where you’ve fallen?

    Still, we can all be thankful you don’t drag another irrelevant classical quote into your compostual remarks. It’s obvious you’ve not read any classics (reading meaning something more than cutting and pasting).

    But, sure as shootin, there’s no doubt you’ve immersed yourself in Harry Elmer Barnes! No surprise there. ‘Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Führer’ ring a bell?. Harry was certainly a want-to-be dachshund polishing table legs with his nonsense.

    There’s just one question jacues/jacques. How did nasty FDR get saintly Dolf to declare war on the USA 11 Dec ‘41? We’d all like to know.

    Many other questions come to mind (did FDR make Dolf forget winter coats am osten in ‘41? Did FDR goad Dolf into ordering the destruction of Germany in ‘45? Etc). Doubtless you know all the true history. Let it out! Surely jilles will help!

    Many tell me I’m crazy to have faith in you jacues/jacques. Have to be honest. Somehow I doubt you’ll be able to spin a rational account. Surprise me (us), please.

    Minor issue. Hate bringing this up, but scourging posters for a typo makes me sensitive to your best interest. Your #66 reply is to “Jyles.” His screen name is “jilles dykstra.” Jyles vs. jilles?

    Typo? What gives, jacues/jacques? Is this, as Yogi would, say déjà vu all over again? You - being French - know what that means of course. Give us clue.

    For the archive:

    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/who-got-us-into-these-endless-wars/#comment-1526974

    Incitatus #68 12aug16 "btw shouldn’t ‘Jacues’ be spelled ‘Jacques’?"

    Jacues Sheete reply #83 13aug16 "At one time it was, but your mention of it is as irrelevant as it is petty. Anyway it’s about time you became aware that it’s pretty common for folks to vary things a little. "
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  • @Ryan Genosa
    The Six Day War began on June 5, 1967. Israel launched the war against Egypt, Syria and Jordan with what could correctly called a “sneak attack,” although it is never referred to that way here. In the vocabulary of imperialism, there was one “sneak attack” in history, that was, of course, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941.

    FDR deliberately provoked the attack, through his oil boycott, and knew accurately the hour when Japan would strike.
    Harry Elmer Barnes, ed., ‘Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace, A critical examination of the foreign policy of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and its aftermath’, Caldwell, Idaho, 1953

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    FDR deliberately provoked the attack, through his oil boycott...
     
    He also had been waging financial war on Japan before that, such as freezing assets in July, 1941, and closing the Panama Canal to Japanese shipping earlier that year. Besides oil, he embargoed other necessities such as iron and rubber.

    Beyond that he and elements of his admin waged an increasingly nasty diplomatic war by making outrageous demands on the Japanese and snubbing and humiliating them whenever possible. He also began supporting the Chinese when they were at war with Japan.

    Your Barnes reference is top notch.
    , @jacques sheete
    Jyles, thank you for your contributions here. They are consistently informative.

    In case you or others are not aware, Ron Unz has provided another superb site for the interested, and it can be positively addicting.

    Tons of info online and free, courtesy of RU!


    http://www.unz.org/Pub/

    Here's a link (again courtesy of Ron Unz) to another good WW2 source.:

    The Origins of the Second World War (1961) by A.J.P. Taylor - BORROW/READ

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/TaylorAJP-1961?View=OL_1

    Note:There is a lot there by A.J. Nock and Mencken, both of whom I bet you could appreciate in case you're not familiar with them.

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  • @Sam Shama
    [I must have some “Jewish” genes then. Maybe I should change my handle to “Kvetch.”Anyway, that’s my problem, not yours, and why is it relevant to this discussion?]

    Quite confident you don't have any Jewish genes. You may use Kvetch if you wish, but I'd suggest Schnorrer. For someone whose only "obect is to communicate", it shouldn't escape you, the effect of your general disposition: it screams "fuck the world". Incessantly.

    …the effect of your general disposition: it screams “fuck the world“. Incessantly.

    Sounds like a lot of projection spewing from the “scapegoat” crowd. Tsk, tsk.

    Anyway, so what? You some kind of snowflake er sumpin? Also, if you read any of your prophets, “fuck the world” can be a G-d like attitude. I think the poor dude fucked up when he created humans, and he did so numerous times afterward by thinking that we would reform if given another chance, again and again. Only someone with at least two functioning neurons somewhere would understand that tho. Maybe that’s why lots of Zionists seem to have given up on the dude, but the “leadership” still seems to be a bunch of lying, greedy, murderous, paranoid wretches, just like “olden times.”

    Furthermore, what makes you think UR exists for you to vent your frustration with your world by initiating personal attacks on fellow commenters? Or that anyone comes here to read such garbage?

    But then, if you read the likes of Marx and Lenin and other simple minded commies, you’ll see that they were into that sort of malicious drivel as well.

    I may be a “schnorrer,” but I sure do get lot of attention from you , and besides your comments do ease any bitterness I may harbor , so thanks!

    PS: In the future, try to put some substance in your comments; I think it’d be less entertaining, but much appreciated all around, nonetheless.

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  • @War for Blair Mountain
    I hope Stormin Norman got a good settlement from Loyola....

    Schwarzkopf?

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  • @Wally
    Indeed, for good reason most people like it because of what he's laughing at.

    And yes, I spread it around. So what?

    Mother and I used to get up at four in the morning [at Belsen], to avoid the queues of people waiting to use the shower block about and hour later. We undressed and showered our bodies with ice-cold water. The only soap we had was a barrel of honey-coloured liquid soap, manufactured out of human flesh from the bodies of people shot by the SS on the transports. Many times we wondered: 'Could this be my brother, my sister, another relation?

    - Gena Turgel nee Goldfinger, I Light a Candle, London: Grafton, 1987, p. 102.
     

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    Only Liars Want Censorship
    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    D0es anyone have any idea what he’s actually saying?

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    Hes asked at first how many days hes worked in his life. He responds with "6". He then tells a story about how he worked at a restaurant and was told to clean some pans. He takes them to the beach and soaks them overnight. But he doesnt realize that there are tides and they are lost. Hes then ordered to buy new pans, he takes the money and splits.
    Its on youtube with real subtitles. I was hoping it would be actually something funny, but that guy just exemplifies all the negative stereotypes associated with mexicans.
    , @Wally
    Everyone but you.
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  • @jacques sheete

    I may as well tell you; you also appear constantly bitter about life.
     
    I must have some "Jewish" genes then. Maybe I should change my handle to "Kvetch."Anyway, that's my problem, not yours, and why is it relevant to this discussion?

    Care to share the tales of depredation and ill-fortune arranged by Jews? You know, that handy little universal scapegoat?
     
    Hey, just fuggeddaboudit; the new universal scapegoat is now Muslims, or have you been living under the rock where you hide your shekels?

    As for mcohen, despite his witlessness, does he really need you to defend him?

    And the word is erudition...

     

    And the object is to communicate. I guess you figured out what I meant, so I guess I can use "erudicity" with effect, and I have nothing to be concerned about unless I feel like filling my shorts over your sappy criticism, which I doubt will ever happen.

    Keep 'em coming; it's all amusing. And good for the "bitterness." Yuck, yuck, yuck!

    [I must have some “Jewish” genes then. Maybe I should change my handle to “Kvetch.”Anyway, that’s my problem, not yours, and why is it relevant to this discussion?]

    Quite confident you don’t have any Jewish genes. You may use Kvetch if you wish, but I’d suggest Schnorrer. For someone whose only “obect is to communicate“, it shouldn’t escape you, the effect of your general disposition: it screams “fuck the world“. Incessantly.

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    ...the effect of your general disposition: it screams “fuck the world“. Incessantly.
     
    Sounds like a lot of projection spewing from the "scapegoat" crowd. Tsk, tsk.

    Anyway, so what? You some kind of snowflake er sumpin? Also, if you read any of your prophets, "fuck the world" can be a G-d like attitude. I think the poor dude fucked up when he created humans, and he did so numerous times afterward by thinking that we would reform if given another chance, again and again. Only someone with at least two functioning neurons somewhere would understand that tho. Maybe that's why lots of Zionists seem to have given up on the dude, but the "leadership" still seems to be a bunch of lying, greedy, murderous, paranoid wretches, just like "olden times."

    Furthermore, what makes you think UR exists for you to vent your frustration with your world by initiating personal attacks on fellow commenters? Or that anyone comes here to read such garbage?

    But then, if you read the likes of Marx and Lenin and other simple minded commies, you'll see that they were into that sort of malicious drivel as well.

    I may be a "schnorrer," but I sure do get lot of attention from you , and besides your comments do ease any bitterness I may harbor , so thanks!

    PS: In the future, try to put some substance in your comments; I think it'd be less entertaining, but much appreciated all around, nonetheless.
    , @jacques sheete

    For someone whose only “obect is to communicate“,
     
    The word is "object"...
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  • @ANON
    Damn!. How fortunate it is, I have to reflect yet again, that I am one of the idle rich who can pretend there is nothing better to do than follow up an interesting lead - gleaming like a needle in a hay stack (or better, despite the proximity to fortuitous, gratuitous pun. a pearl before swine) - which has emerged from the Drang and dross of a UR thread.

    I shall be sending a link to that Commentary seminar to a number of friends, including a rabbi I remember once suggesting a young person who might well be groomed as a conservative candidate - admittedly in one of the countries where liberal doesn't mean left.

    Hahaaaa

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  • @Dan Hayes
    ANON:

    In a 2009 Commentary symposium, Michael Medved stated that for most American Jews, the core of their Jewish identity isn't solidarity with Israel; it's rejection of Christianity!
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    From the link: Believing in Jesus, however, is enough to place one beyond the pale: 60% of U.S. Jews say a person cannot be Jewish if he or she believes Jesus was the messiah.

    What does it say about a people who hate the greatest thing that they produced?

    Clearly Jesus created the greatest most benign philosophy for living in all of human history.

    Clearly the objectionable part of the Christian religion is the part rooted in Judaism. Clearly Judaism is baggage for the philosophical adherents of Jesus.

    Clearly Jesus thought of himself as a religious Jew. When Jews hate religious Jesus, they are hating his religious Jewness.

    Jews who are not religious and are secular, also hate Jesus. Jewness is not only about a god religion – but it is primarily about tribe. Being a Jew is a biological test – not a test of faith.

    “Christ” is a European name. Jesus became European and universal and neighborly – and Jews hate that.

    There are so many different Jew sects – Jew culture has a tendency to implode - is hate for Jesus, now the main thing that binds them. How very very sick, how sad.
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  • @ANON
    I can see how you could get riled by NF but I think you do him an injustice in underrating the care he takes. Specifically his hatred of the goyim theory was tentative and you seem to forget that it related to events of 50 years ago and was about Israeli Jews.

    Remember that even the disinterested John Derbyshire had identifoed a small minority of American Jews still set in their attitudes to goyim by the Cossacks of the 1880s.

    I concede your broader point and should stop getting annoyed.

    NF has this habit of overreaching precisely up to a distance where he gets called a polemicist, a soulful one at that, mind you, inserting just that bit of careful tentativeness to avoid getting branded the wild-eyed loon. He’s made a career out of it.

    Remember, the Israelis don’t just hate Arabs. They’re in an eternal war with all the goyim. All the goyim wanted the Jews dead.

    That is what got me. It paints Jews (I’m not fooled by any distinctions he sleights in) as an eternal hive mind driven by blood-lust. Just look at what S2C wrote following NF’s narrative!

    JD’s experience with a minority of American Jews is valid. I can attest to the existence of this very small minority. But they are passing with each day.

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  • @Ryan Genosa
    The Six Day War began on June 5, 1967. Israel launched the war against Egypt, Syria and Jordan with what could correctly called a “sneak attack,” although it is never referred to that way here. In the vocabulary of imperialism, there was one “sneak attack” in history, that was, of course, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941.

    In the vocabulary of imperialism, there was one “sneak attack” in history, that was, of course, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941.

    The “Allies” pulled a sneak attack on neutral Persia (Iran) 3 months prior to the attack on Pearl, and one year prior to it the Brits pulled one at Taranto, and smashed the Italian navy there.

    The Brits also did that to the French fleet at Attack on Mers-el-Kébir about a year prior to the attack on Pearl.

    There are probably other examples as well.

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  • @Sam Shama
    mcohen was indeed being witty there. The only way this idiotic piece might be dealt with.

    Before you start lecturing others about their lack of wit, or whatever else, you ought to take an honest look at your own endowments. And the word is erudition; something you strive rather just that bit too much to give an impression of, with the copious copy and paste scholastics. Not quite the priest and not quite the novitiate.

    I may as well tell you; you also appear constantly bitter about life. Care to share the tales of depredation and ill-fortune arranged by Jews? You know, that handy little universal scapegoat? At some level, you must be rather grateful to us for standing in as the ever reliable psychological crutch for your own shortcomings.

    I may as well tell you; you also appear constantly bitter about life.

    I must have some “Jewish” genes then. Maybe I should change my handle to “Kvetch.”Anyway, that’s my problem, not yours, and why is it relevant to this discussion?

    Care to share the tales of depredation and ill-fortune arranged by Jews? You know, that handy little universal scapegoat?

    Hey, just fuggeddaboudit; the new universal scapegoat is now Muslims, or have you been living under the rock where you hide your shekels?

    As for mcohen, despite his witlessness, does he really need you to defend him?

    And the word is erudition…

    And the object is to communicate. I guess you figured out what I meant, so I guess I can use “erudicity” with effect, and I have nothing to be concerned about unless I feel like filling my shorts over your sappy criticism, which I doubt will ever happen.

    Keep ‘em coming; it’s all amusing. And good for the “bitterness.” Yuck, yuck, yuck!

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    [I must have some “Jewish” genes then. Maybe I should change my handle to “Kvetch.”Anyway, that’s my problem, not yours, and why is it relevant to this discussion?]

    Quite confident you don't have any Jewish genes. You may use Kvetch if you wish, but I'd suggest Schnorrer. For someone whose only "obect is to communicate", it shouldn't escape you, the effect of your general disposition: it screams "fuck the world". Incessantly.

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  • @Sam Shama
    Finkelstein is utterly wrong. The man is barmy. Jews in this country are marrying goyim in ever increasing numbers. Does that suggest to you any sort of deep-seated hatred?

    You write you are 'chilled' by F's words. More like hopped-up with excitement, it seems to me, at having spotted the Stormfront's favourite Jew penning yet another set of words which encourage their deep-seated pathologies.

    You folks should seek help. Normy first.

    …it seems to me, at having spotted the Stormfront’s favourite Jew …

    That statement could easily be seen as derogatory towards a good Jew. Are you an anti-Semite, or sumthin?

    I guess it’s only the goyim that have to avoid the smear, eh?

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  • @Priss Factor
    Your classification of Jews misses at least one important group:those opposed to the state of Israel on religious grounds.


    2. Religious Jews who are only into Jewish religion.

    Point taken.

    However, that also may apply, for example, to a woman rabbi of Reform Judaism in Noo Yawk.

    The true ultra-Orthodox would never approve of her. So, they are a unique group, AFAIK, mainly in the state they oppose, but also in Iran, I suppose other places.

    My reply was overly sharp, you do, as always, make many good points, but also wrong on many in my opinion.

    I am tired by work, so stopping here for now.

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  • ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes
    ANON:

    In a 2009 Commentary symposium, Michael Medved stated that for most American Jews, the core of their Jewish identity isn't solidarity with Israel; it's rejection of Christianity!

    Damn!. How fortunate it is, I have to reflect yet again, that I am one of the idle rich who can pretend there is nothing better to do than follow up an interesting lead – gleaming like a needle in a hay stack (or better, despite the proximity to fortuitous, gratuitous pun. a pearl before swine) – which has emerged from the Drang and dross of a UR thread.

    I shall be sending a link to that Commentary seminar to a number of friends, including a rabbi I remember once suggesting a young person who might well be groomed as a conservative candidate – admittedly in one of the countries where liberal doesn’t mean left.

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    Hahaaaa
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  • @ANON
    I can see how you could get riled by NF but I think you do him an injustice in underrating the care he takes. Specifically his hatred of the goyim theory was tentative and you seem to forget that it related to events of 50 years ago and was about Israeli Jews.

    Remember that even the disinterested John Derbyshire had identifoed a small minority of American Jews still set in their attitudes to goyim by the Cossacks of the 1880s.

    anon

    you miss the point.who are they.what have they achieved in life.since when is there opinion important.
    prime minister,ambassador,billionaire,ceo ,world class surgeon,general,electrician ….these people might have something useful to say.worth listening to.

    finkelstein,shamir and company…..before internet probably the dark lords ass scratcher.on sabbath only.Baruch tuchus scratcher.the order of…..BTS

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    My impression is that NF adheres to higher standards than Israel Shamir, not least of scholarship and thoroughness but the strain and time pressures of being a minority polemicist and scholar at the same time would be likely to lead to his handing a few gotchas to the swarming majority.
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  • Wally says: • Website
    @Delinquent Snail
    That laughing mexican is a great edit. He is so excited about being a living mexican stereotype: lazy, dumb, and uncaring.


    So do you always have that post copied incase you need to just alt-v and spread the love?

    Indeed, for good reason most people like it because of what he’s laughing at.

    And yes, I spread it around. So what?

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    Mother and I used to get up at four in the morning [at Belsen], to avoid the queues of people waiting to use the shower block about and hour later. We undressed and showered our bodies with ice-cold water. The only soap we had was a barrel of honey-coloured liquid soap, manufactured out of human flesh from the bodies of people shot by the SS on the transports. Many times we wondered: ‘Could this be my brother, my sister, another relation?

    - Gena Turgel nee Goldfinger, I Light a Candle, London: Grafton, 1987, p. 102.

    Holocaust Tours
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    Tour price: £2095.00
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    Deposit: £200.00
    Price without flights: £1945.00
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    Only Liars Want Censorship
    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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    D0es anyone have any idea what he's actually saying?
    , @Delinquent Snail
    I dont have a problem. In fact, i support all discussions. I dont know if what your saying is true or not, but that doesnt matter. No topic should be off limits to discussion or investigation. Period. If a subject or event is not allowed to be talked about, chances are it probably has several falsehoods embedded into its narrative.
    Regardless if you beleive in the holocaust or not, anyone anywhere should be able to openly discuss the finer details and not have to worry about being labeled an anti-semite because there are several inconsistencies in the official narrative.
    So keep it up. Spread the word and hopefully it sparks enough interest in the subject that it can be talked about without the shadow of jews descending upon it like vultures smelling dinner getting ripe in the desert sun.
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  • @ANON
    I can see how you could get riled by NF but I think you do him an injustice in underrating the care he takes. Specifically his hatred of the goyim theory was tentative and you seem to forget that it related to events of 50 years ago and was about Israeli Jews.

    Remember that even the disinterested John Derbyshire had identifoed a small minority of American Jews still set in their attitudes to goyim by the Cossacks of the 1880s.

    ANON:

    In a 2009 Commentary symposium, Michael Medved stated that for most American Jews, the core of their Jewish identity isn’t solidarity with Israel; it’s rejection of Christianity!

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    Damn!. How fortunate it is, I have to reflect yet again, that I am one of the idle rich who can pretend there is nothing better to do than follow up an interesting lead - gleaming like a needle in a hay stack (or better, despite the proximity to fortuitous, gratuitous pun. a pearl before swine) - which has emerged from the Drang and dross of a UR thread.

    I shall be sending a link to that Commentary seminar to a number of friends, including a rabbi I remember once suggesting a young person who might well be groomed as a conservative candidate - admittedly in one of the countries where liberal doesn't mean left.

    , @Sam Shama
    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewish-american-beliefs-attitudes-culture-survey/
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian
    The sailor's repair of the antenna allowed Liberty's crew to take advantage of weaknesses in the jamming.

    Thank you. I was basically trying to do what a lawyer might do with a client full of grandiosity, stating his opinions as if they were important certainties all should understand, by just testing his ability to get to grips with the detail of some of the simpler less contentious facts.

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  • ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama
    Finkelstein is utterly wrong. The man is barmy. Jews in this country are marrying goyim in ever increasing numbers. Does that suggest to you any sort of deep-seated hatred?

    You write you are 'chilled' by F's words. More like hopped-up with excitement, it seems to me, at having spotted the Stormfront's favourite Jew penning yet another set of words which encourage their deep-seated pathologies.

    You folks should seek help. Normy first.

    I can see how you could get riled by NF but I think you do him an injustice in underrating the care he takes. Specifically his hatred of the goyim theory was tentative and you seem to forget that it related to events of 50 years ago and was about Israeli Jews.

    Remember that even the disinterested John Derbyshire had identifoed a small minority of American Jews still set in their attitudes to goyim by the Cossacks of the 1880s.

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    ANON:

    In a 2009 Commentary symposium, Michael Medved stated that for most American Jews, the core of their Jewish identity isn't solidarity with Israel; it's rejection of Christianity!
    , @mcohen
    anon

    you miss the point.who are they.what have they achieved in life.since when is there opinion important.
    prime minister,ambassador,billionaire,ceo ,world class surgeon,general,electrician ....these people might have something useful to say.worth listening to.

    finkelstein,shamir and company.....before internet probably the dark lords ass scratcher.on sabbath only.Baruch tuchus scratcher.the order of.....BTS
    , @Sam Shama
    I concede your broader point and should stop getting annoyed.

    NF has this habit of overreaching precisely up to a distance where he gets called a polemicist, a soulful one at that, mind you, inserting just that bit of careful tentativeness to avoid getting branded the wild-eyed loon. He's made a career out of it.

    Remember, the Israelis don’t just hate Arabs. They’re in an eternal war with all the goyim. All the goyim wanted the Jews dead.

    That is what got me. It paints Jews (I'm not fooled by any distinctions he sleights in) as an eternal hive mind driven by blood-lust. Just look at what S2C wrote following NF's narrative!

    JD's experience with a minority of American Jews is valid. I can attest to the existence of this very small minority. But they are passing with each day.
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  • The Six Day War began on June 5, 1967. Israel launched the war against Egypt, Syria and Jordan with what could correctly called a “sneak attack,” although it is never referred to that way here. In the vocabulary of imperialism, there was one “sneak attack” in history, that was, of course, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941.

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    In the vocabulary of imperialism, there was one “sneak attack” in history, that was, of course, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941.
     
    The "Allies" pulled a sneak attack on neutral Persia (Iran) 3 months prior to the attack on Pearl, and one year prior to it the Brits pulled one at Taranto, and smashed the Italian navy there.

    The Brits also did that to the French fleet at Attack on Mers-el-Kébir about a year prior to the attack on Pearl.

    There are probably other examples as well.
    , @jilles dykstra
    FDR deliberately provoked the attack, through his oil boycott, and knew accurately the hour when Japan would strike.
    Harry Elmer Barnes, ed., ‘Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace, A critical examination of the foreign policy of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and its aftermath’, Caldwell, Idaho, 1953
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  • @Anonymous
    To try and give your tabloid comic book repetitions of old conspiracy theorists' assertions some credibility just firm up one cliché: "the brave American sailor's efforts to reconnect an antenna (under fire) to reestablish communications with the fleet" . Who was the sailor? At whatvpoint in the attacks did the antenna cease to be connected and at what point re onnected? Wbat fire sas he under? Machine gunning from an Israeli plane flying directly toward him as he did what exactly? Or? AND how does your Boys Own version stand up with the story we got on an earlier thread of partal failure of jamming being the critical factor, and with the repeated insistence that Washington had realtime knowledge of what was happening?

    The sailor’s repair of the antenna allowed Liberty’s crew to take advantage of weaknesses in the jamming.

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    Thank you. I was basically trying to do what a lawyer might do with a client full of grandiosity, stating his opinions as if they were important certainties all should understand, by just testing his ability to get to grips with the detail of some of the simpler less contentious facts.
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  • @jacques sheete

    I will be honest and say that i never grew up in Europe.i always thought stalin and lenin were musicians similar to simon and garfunkel.you know.russian folk musicians.way before my time.even before dylan went electric.
     
    Well bless you for your honesty, but I wish the same could be wished for your erudicity. And it's obvious that you never grew up in Europe since it's certain that you've given growing up short shrift along with your humor, or is that your attempt at wit?

    Please do keep babbling.

    mcohen was indeed being witty there. The only way this idiotic piece might be dealt with.

    Before you start lecturing others about their lack of wit, or whatever else, you ought to take an honest look at your own endowments. And the word is erudition; something you strive rather just that bit too much to give an impression of, with the copious copy and paste scholastics. Not quite the priest and not quite the novitiate.

    I may as well tell you; you also appear constantly bitter about life. Care to share the tales of depredation and ill-fortune arranged by Jews? You know, that handy little universal scapegoat? At some level, you must be rather grateful to us for standing in as the ever reliable psychological crutch for your own shortcomings.

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    I may as well tell you; you also appear constantly bitter about life.
     
    I must have some "Jewish" genes then. Maybe I should change my handle to "Kvetch."Anyway, that's my problem, not yours, and why is it relevant to this discussion?

    Care to share the tales of depredation and ill-fortune arranged by Jews? You know, that handy little universal scapegoat?
     
    Hey, just fuggeddaboudit; the new universal scapegoat is now Muslims, or have you been living under the rock where you hide your shekels?

    As for mcohen, despite his witlessness, does he really need you to defend him?

    And the word is erudition...

     

    And the object is to communicate. I guess you figured out what I meant, so I guess I can use "erudicity" with effect, and I have nothing to be concerned about unless I feel like filling my shorts over your sappy criticism, which I doubt will ever happen.

    Keep 'em coming; it's all amusing. And good for the "bitterness." Yuck, yuck, yuck!
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  • @SolontoCroesus
    Several thoughts:

    1. This trio neglected to mention that Israel had nuclear devises on hand and was prepared to use them in one way or another --
    Two days ago NYTimes wrote about one such plan:
    Israel’s Doomsday Plan for Nuclear Display
    By WILLIAM J. BROAD and DAVID E. SANGERJUNE 3, 2017

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/world/middleeast/1967-arab-israeli-war-nuclear-warning.html

    BUT

    Isabella Ginor and Gideon Remez claims in Foxbats Over Dimona
    The Soviets' Nuclear Gamble in the Six-Day War
    http://yalebooks.com/book/9780300136272/foxbats-over-dimona
    seem to contradict Finkelstein's narrative and the story reported by David Sanger --


    "the Six-Day War was the result of a joint Soviet-Arab gambit to provoke Israel into a preemptive attack.

    . . . the Soviets received a secret Israeli message indicating that Israel, despite its official ambiguity, was about to acquire nuclear weapons. Determined to destroy Israel’s nuclear program before it could produce an atomic bomb, the Soviets then began preparing for war--well before Moscow accused Israel of offensive intent, the overt trigger of the crisis."
     

    But the three sets of claims actually can be seen to fit together to form a closer-to-complete picture of those dramatic 6 days.

    2. Finkelstein's interpretation of the attack on the Liberty is chilling. Every American, and especially every American congressman and decision-maker should receive a billboard-sized copy of Finkelstein's explanation:

    Israelis attacked the Liberty -- and killed 34 US personnel -- out of hatred of Americans, a hatred as deep as Israeli hatred of Arabs.

    Finkelstein's words are breathtaking:


    My own hypothesis is, this is Israel’s big moment, the climactic of the Jewish people, a collective paroxysm-cum-orgasm. All the armed services want to get a piece of the action. The air force, the army, the navy.

    The navy hadn’t yet seen real combat. As the war was winding down, they were probably anxious to be part of this glorious chapter. To play their part in the Jewish people’s revenge on the goyim.

    Remember, the Israelis don’t just hate Arabs. They’re in an eternal war with all the goyim. All the goyim wanted the Jews dead. Just read Daniel Goldhagen if you have any doubts. The Americans are goyim. They refused entry to Jews fleeing the Holocaust; they didn’t bomb the railway tracks to Auschwitz; they, too, wanted all the Jews dead. Now they’re butting into our war, dispatching a spy ship into our waters, trying to restrain us in our moment of glory. Fuck the Americans! Fuck the goyim! Long live the Jews!

    Besides the Israeli air assault on the USS Liberty, the Israeli navy torpedoed the vessel. It got to share in the mock heroics and avenge the millennial suffering of the Jews. Everyone got their 15 minutes of drawing blood, in memoriam of the Jewish martyrs.
     

    In a conversation about Lebanese reactions to the 2006 war, Finkelstein said: "I like the Jewish attitude . . . The Jewish attitude is Never to Forgive, Never to Forget. I agree with that. . . . I respect the Jewish attitude a thousand times more."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe65-nF3FQ

    It seems to follow logically that Israelis have not, and will never, slake their lust for the blood of the goyim AND the Arab.

    In the three-way chat that is the content of this article, as also in a conversation between Finkelstein and Aaron Mate, it is revealed that the stories told as dogma about the 1967 war are lies; fabrications; mythology. http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=19230

    Several years ago Mondoweiss posted a video in which Dana Karon, in tears, told a panel chaired by Peter Beinart that "We were lied to" in Israeli schools, about the presence (non-presence) of Arabs in Palestine. http://mondoweiss.net/2011/12/beinart-says-israel-must-give-citizenship-to-palestinians-under-occupation/

    The men of the SS Liberty were told that the Israeli attack on their ship was a case of mistaken identity.

    What other lies has Israel been hiding behind, and how many more people have to die to protect those mythologies?

    Finkelstein is utterly wrong. The man is barmy. Jews in this country are marrying goyim in ever increasing numbers. Does that suggest to you any sort of deep-seated hatred?

    You write you are ‘chilled’ by F’s words. More like hopped-up with excitement, it seems to me, at having spotted the Stormfront’s favourite Jew penning yet another set of words which encourage their deep-seated pathologies.

    You folks should seek help. Normy first.

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    I can see how you could get riled by NF but I think you do him an injustice in underrating the care he takes. Specifically his hatred of the goyim theory was tentative and you seem to forget that it related to events of 50 years ago and was about Israeli Jews.

    Remember that even the disinterested John Derbyshire had identifoed a small minority of American Jews still set in their attitudes to goyim by the Cossacks of the 1880s.
    , @jacques sheete

    ...it seems to me, at having spotted the Stormfront’s favourite Jew ...
     
    That statement could easily be seen as derogatory towards a good Jew. Are you an anti-Semite, or sumthin?

    I guess it's only the goyim that have to avoid the smear, eh?
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  • @mcohen
    I will be honest and say that i never grew up in Europe.i always thought stalin and lenin were musicians similar to simon and garfunkel.you know.russian folk musicians.way before my time.even before dylan went electric.
    Obviously i was wrong.i know one thing though.the past is worthless.the spark gone.all that counts now is the future.there are no communists or whatevers left.
    there are only consumerists.and commie bum boys who wring there hands in despair while feeding at the trough

    Consumerism....The most dangerous political movement the world has ever seen.
    Eating its way through this body of a planet.

    I will be honest and say that i never grew up in Europe.i always thought stalin and lenin were musicians similar to simon and garfunkel.you know.russian folk musicians.way before my time.even before dylan went electric.

    Well bless you for your honesty, but I wish the same could be wished for your erudicity. And it’s obvious that you never grew up in Europe since it’s certain that you’ve given growing up short shrift along with your humor, or is that your attempt at wit?

    Please do keep babbling.

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    mcohen was indeed being witty there. The only way this idiotic piece might be dealt with.

    Before you start lecturing others about their lack of wit, or whatever else, you ought to take an honest look at your own endowments. And the word is erudition; something you strive rather just that bit too much to give an impression of, with the copious copy and paste scholastics. Not quite the priest and not quite the novitiate.

    I may as well tell you; you also appear constantly bitter about life. Care to share the tales of depredation and ill-fortune arranged by Jews? You know, that handy little universal scapegoat? At some level, you must be rather grateful to us for standing in as the ever reliable psychological crutch for your own shortcomings.

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  • @Malaysian Truther
    An excellent article from a courageous writer and thinker who is still proud of being Jewish (and why not? - if you don't love who you are, how can you get to respect or love others).

    I think Finkelstein's reasoning behind the attack on the USS Liberty is much closer to the truth than more 'rational' explanations particularly in terms of the seemingly enthusiastic participation of many of the Israeli military participants. But in terms of the Israeli Establishment, the explanation that Tiger Woods gave for his marital infidelities probably applies - we did it because we could. It was a demonstration of absolute power and how Israel had completely reversed the situation of 1956 when the Eisenhower administration had enforced the end of the War and the evacuation of the Sinai.

    Israeli power through the mobilization of the American Israeli lobby and Jewish 'patriotic' fervor for plucky Israel (well attested in the opening of the interview) had already rolled into Washington. It had forced a partial reversal in the sale of arms, a scaling down of inspections of Dinona and as Robert Parry has written about the outright theft and transportation of American nuclear material to Israel. When the green light was given for war by the Johnson Administration, what more complete demonstration was needed than to attack in broad daylight an unarmed ship of your supposedly greatest friend.

    The initial cover-up and continuing American silence on the fate of the Liberty is the biggest single example of the US political establishment complete and total subjugation to Israel. Until of course you get to 9/11. Will the American people collectively ever realize the shattering truth that to the Jewish Gods in Israel and the US political establishment they the goyim are mere slaves to abase themselves and serve their Jewish master?

    Just read their Bible Mr Truther. Do you think there’s anything really nasty about the Jews that one of them wouldn’t have rushed out to get credìt for the scoop?

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  • @anonymous
    {The Saudi vs Iran spat is heating up lately with the Qatar crisis. }

    Whoever believes in this piece of SHIT, then I should say that person either is a dummy or is a Zionist illiterate mass murderer like your Zionist illiterate servant, the 'president'. Trump/Natnyahu are directly responsible for warning against Qatar and the terror attack in Iran.

    This warning to Qatar is not the words of the Saudis, because the Saudis head of states are nothing but petty US/Israel behind lickers servants and Saudi Arabia is a COLONY where its 'kings' do not allow to breath without US/Israel permission.

    This warning to Qatar and terror act in Iran is coming directly from the illiterate Zionist stooge, trump and Netanyahu against Iran carried out by their trained terrorists THE KURDS.

    The axis of evil US - Israel - Britain project to re draw the map of the region with cooperation of US/Israel terrorists and pawns, the kurds, is behind the chaos and murdering of millions of Muslims in the region.

    The mass murderers, Trump - Natanyhu, make the FAKE "Saudi vs Iran spat " to explain their terrors and tell the DUMB POPULATION that this is a fight between Saudis and Iranians for influence. In fact, these crimes against humanity is carried out by the axis of evil US -Israel - Britain for 'greater Israel' and partition of the regional states to have upper hand on the middle east and North Africa resources to help the survival of the criminal jewish Zionist entity where should be destroyed.

    They have a jewish state in New York and should fuck off Now.

    This is, as former NATO General have said, the invasion of seven countries in five years for geopolitical gain by the United states and its mass murderers 'leaders' and Zionist jewish tribe.

    When do you want to understand cowards?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

    I favor the area of New York North of Albany and from the Pennsylvania border to Lake Eire separating from the Jewish State of New York.

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  • @jacques sheete

    Mondoweiss…….You kidding right.the site is mostly supported by left foot commie bum boys these days
     
    Not kidding a bit. You don't like Mondoweiss?? You must be an anti-Semite.

    Speaking of filthy commies, tell us all about the Bolsheviks. You know, Hitler was supported by Zionists, and Hitler was opposed to the Bolshies, and the Comintern plus the commie rabble rousers in his own country and he probably would've agreed with your attitude about the left foot commie bum boys. So, as a commie hater, where do you stand vis a vis Lenin and his political spawn? How about Stalin? Would you have supported the Hitler and his Zio-buddies? Why or why not?

    I will be honest and say that i never grew up in Europe.i always thought stalin and lenin were musicians similar to simon and garfunkel.you know.russian folk musicians.way before my time.even before dylan went electric.
    Obviously i was wrong.i know one thing though.the past is worthless.the spark gone.all that counts now is the future.there are no communists or whatevers left.
    there are only consumerists.and commie bum boys who wring there hands in despair while feeding at the trough

    Consumerism….The most dangerous political movement the world has ever seen.
    Eating its way through this body of a planet.

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    I will be honest and say that i never grew up in Europe.i always thought stalin and lenin were musicians similar to simon and garfunkel.you know.russian folk musicians.way before my time.even before dylan went electric.
     
    Well bless you for your honesty, but I wish the same could be wished for your erudicity. And it's obvious that you never grew up in Europe since it's certain that you've given growing up short shrift along with your humor, or is that your attempt at wit?

    Please do keep babbling.
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  • @Anonymous

    Jews can only be an Extreme People. Extremely Powerful OR Extremely Persecuted. Why? Because Jews are smart, driven, pushy, and often devious. So, this leads to a lot of wealth, influence, and abuse of power
     
    You mean, they are guilty of doing what every White does, if he or she happens to have the same intelligence and social adeptness (pushy, devious).

    They live to earn wealth and influence like every other human (or White) with the right skills does, but, hey, on average they get more: how immoral!

    Power and abuse of power are synonyms among mankind. Jews happen to be human too, so they plunge into addiction to power, like all other humans do.

    Some groups are more prone to corruption then others. Religious groups are by far the most corrupt. They have this mentality that What They are doing isnt wrong because they are “right” in the eyes of their diety.

    There have been several studies recently involving children from different backgroumds. These studies show that religious children are usually more greedy, selfish, intolerant. Secular children are more altruistic and “democracy” minded. Its not hard to follow the path and see these selfish kids grow into selfish adults that are now able to spread their mindset to others in their group and the cycle continues.

    Not that any of this will matter to you. You started out comparing a small religious/ethnic group to a group encompassing dozens of different and distinct cultures/ethnic groups (whites) saying that they are just as bad. Which is bs. Caucasians are by far the most altruistic group on earth. No other group is willing to sacrifice itself for a bunch of ungratefull, undeserving thirdworlders.

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    ** because they are “right” in the eyes of their diety **

    I'm no theologian but don't Christians believe in the doctrine of original sin? We're all sinners till saved from damnation (after death) by faith in Christ. We sin but our sins are forgiven if we accept Jesus but we still have to live moral lives. The Ten Commandments are there to guide Christians on right living. They assume that humans need guiding. If not, why bother with commandments?

    Nothing in the Christian faith involves automatic affirmation of the believer as "right." Calvinists come closest to the frame of mind but even they have no notarized statement from Anyone that they happen to be one of the elect. One of the heresies even among the Calvinists was that "Christian liberty gave one license to ignore Scriptural teaching." (Wikipedia, Antinomian Controversy.) But the operative word there is "heresy." Calvinists hoped that worldly success was sort of a divine hint that they were one of the chosen but no one knew for sure.

    Secular leftists thought they were sufficiently "right" to enable them to murder millions.

    Where do you get this stuff?
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  • @Wally
    "What other lies has Israel been hiding behind, and how many more people have to die to protect those mythologies?"

    That's an easy one:

    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are laughable, scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Why have supremacist Jews have been marketing the '6,000,000' lie since at least 1869?
    http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k598/WhiteWolf722/TheSixMillionMyth.jpg

    'antisemitic': any thought or person that a Jew doesn't like

    The '6,000,000 Jews' lie and the laughing Mexican:

    https://youtu.be/nxbV3RsyQwI

    That laughing mexican is a great edit. He is so excited about being a living mexican stereotype: lazy, dumb, and uncaring.

    So do you always have that post copied incase you need to just alt-v and spread the love?

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    Indeed, for good reason most people like it because of what he's laughing at.

    And yes, I spread it around. So what?

    Mother and I used to get up at four in the morning [at Belsen], to avoid the queues of people waiting to use the shower block about and hour later. We undressed and showered our bodies with ice-cold water. The only soap we had was a barrel of honey-coloured liquid soap, manufactured out of human flesh from the bodies of people shot by the SS on the transports. Many times we wondered: 'Could this be my brother, my sister, another relation?

    - Gena Turgel nee Goldfinger, I Light a Candle, London: Grafton, 1987, p. 102.
     

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    Only Liars Want Censorship
    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
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  • @Che Guava
    Priss,

    That is probably the worst comment of yours that I have read.

    Your classification of Jews misses at least one important group:those opposed to the state of Israel on religious grounds.

    They are the true religious ultra-Orthodox.

    What the western press refers to as that, are not ultra-Orthodox, but just ultra-violent Orthodox.

    There are so many other stupid ideas on other topics in your post, but my battery is running low, so will closing there for now.

    Your classification of Jews misses at least one important group:those opposed to the state of Israel on religious grounds.

    2. Religious Jews who are only into Jewish religion.

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    Point taken.

    However, that also may apply, for example, to a woman rabbi of Reform Judaism in Noo Yawk.

    The true ultra-Orthodox would never approve of her. So, they are a unique group, AFAIK, mainly in the state they oppose, but also in Iran, I suppose other places.

    My reply was overly sharp, you do, as always, make many good points, but also wrong on many in my opinion.

    I am tired by work, so stopping here for now.
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  • An excellent article from a courageous writer and thinker who is still proud of being Jewish (and why not? – if you don’t love who you are, how can you get to respect or love others).

    I think Finkelstein’s reasoning behind the attack on the USS Liberty is much closer to the truth than more ‘rational’ explanations particularly in terms of the seemingly enthusiastic participation of many of the Israeli military participants. But in terms of the Israeli Establishment, the explanation that Tiger Woods gave for his marital infidelities probably applies – we did it because we could. It was a demonstration of absolute power and how Israel had completely reversed the situation of 1956 when the Eisenhower administration had enforced the end of the War and the evacuation of the Sinai.

    Israeli power through the mobilization of the American Israeli lobby and Jewish ‘patriotic’ fervor for plucky Israel (well attested in the opening of the interview) had already rolled into Washington. It had forced a partial reversal in the sale of arms, a scaling down of inspections of Dinona and as Robert Parry has written about the outright theft and transportation of American nuclear material to Israel. When the green light was given for war by the Johnson Administration, what more complete demonstration was needed than to attack in broad daylight an unarmed ship of your supposedly greatest friend.

    The initial cover-up and continuing American silence on the fate of the Liberty is the biggest single example of the US political establishment complete and total subjugation to Israel. Until of course you get to 9/11. Will the American people collectively ever realize the shattering truth that to the Jewish Gods in Israel and the US political establishment they the goyim are mere slaves to abase themselves and serve their Jewish master?

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    Just read their Bible Mr Truther. Do you think there's anything really nasty about the Jews that one of them wouldn't have rushed out to get credìt for the scoop?
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  • @anarchyst
    The "perpetual victim" card is a main characteristic of Judaism and is ingrained in their culture. Attempts to transfer this trait to others who they (Jews) consider oppressed have met with some success. For example, the American "civil-rights" movement of the 1950s and 1960s was orchestrated by leftist Jews who successfully imposed their universal "victimhood" trait on blacks. We are living with the results of this dysfunctional trait to this day.
    The "perpetual victimhood" trait is so strong, Jews are now demanding that "holocaust ™ reparations" be extended to children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren of "holocaust ™ survivors" as "they too are victims of the holocaust ™", which some Jewish psychiatrists now call "transference"...follow the shekels...
    When will it ever end?

    Never.
    Anyone can see that Israel cannot go on much longer like this, alas zionist jews do not see it.
    Not so long ago Netanyahu tried to sell his idea in the UN General Assembly that the whole world is wrong, and just Israel right.
    Jews and Armenians are exactly the same, their ideas about history are so part of their identity that is is impossible to change those ideas.
    That the children of those who were persecuted and survived have psychic problems, no fairy tale, I suppose.
    But what about the children of German and Japanese victims of WWII ?
    Or Russian victims ?
    Very interesting is
    Ward Churchill, ‘A Little Matter of Genocide, Holocaust and Denial in the Americas, 1492 to the Present’, San Francisco 1997
    the battle between North American Indians, and jews, which holocaust is the one and only unique one.

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  • @SolontoCroesus
    Several thoughts:

    1. This trio neglected to mention that Israel had nuclear devises on hand and was prepared to use them in one way or another --
    Two days ago NYTimes wrote about one such plan:
    Israel’s Doomsday Plan for Nuclear Display
    By WILLIAM J. BROAD and DAVID E. SANGERJUNE 3, 2017

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/world/middleeast/1967-arab-israeli-war-nuclear-warning.html

    BUT

    Isabella Ginor and Gideon Remez claims in Foxbats Over Dimona
    The Soviets' Nuclear Gamble in the Six-Day War
    http://yalebooks.com/book/9780300136272/foxbats-over-dimona
    seem to contradict Finkelstein's narrative and the story reported by David Sanger --


    "the Six-Day War was the result of a joint Soviet-Arab gambit to provoke Israel into a preemptive attack.

    . . . the Soviets received a secret Israeli message indicating that Israel, despite its official ambiguity, was about to acquire nuclear weapons. Determined to destroy Israel’s nuclear program before it could produce an atomic bomb, the Soviets then began preparing for war--well before Moscow accused Israel of offensive intent, the overt trigger of the crisis."
     

    But the three sets of claims actually can be seen to fit together to form a closer-to-complete picture of those dramatic 6 days.

    2. Finkelstein's interpretation of the attack on the Liberty is chilling. Every American, and especially every American congressman and decision-maker should receive a billboard-sized copy of Finkelstein's explanation:

    Israelis attacked the Liberty -- and killed 34 US personnel -- out of hatred of Americans, a hatred as deep as Israeli hatred of Arabs.

    Finkelstein's words are breathtaking:


    My own hypothesis is, this is Israel’s big moment, the climactic of the Jewish people, a collective paroxysm-cum-orgasm. All the armed services want to get a piece of the action. The air force, the army, the navy.

    The navy hadn’t yet seen real combat. As the war was winding down, they were probably anxious to be part of this glorious chapter. To play their part in the Jewish people’s revenge on the goyim.

    Remember, the Israelis don’t just hate Arabs. They’re in an eternal war with all the goyim. All the goyim wanted the Jews dead. Just read Daniel Goldhagen if you have any doubts. The Americans are goyim. They refused entry to Jews fleeing the Holocaust; they didn’t bomb the railway tracks to Auschwitz; they, too, wanted all the Jews dead. Now they’re butting into our war, dispatching a spy ship into our waters, trying to restrain us in our moment of glory. Fuck the Americans! Fuck the goyim! Long live the Jews!

    Besides the Israeli air assault on the USS Liberty, the Israeli navy torpedoed the vessel. It got to share in the mock heroics and avenge the millennial suffering of the Jews. Everyone got their 15 minutes of drawing blood, in memoriam of the Jewish martyrs.
     

    In a conversation about Lebanese reactions to the 2006 war, Finkelstein said: "I like the Jewish attitude . . . The Jewish attitude is Never to Forgive, Never to Forget. I agree with that. . . . I respect the Jewish attitude a thousand times more."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe65-nF3FQ

    It seems to follow logically that Israelis have not, and will never, slake their lust for the blood of the goyim AND the Arab.

    In the three-way chat that is the content of this article, as also in a conversation between Finkelstein and Aaron Mate, it is revealed that the stories told as dogma about the 1967 war are lies; fabrications; mythology. http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=19230

    Several years ago Mondoweiss posted a video in which Dana Karon, in tears, told a panel chaired by Peter Beinart that "We were lied to" in Israeli schools, about the presence (non-presence) of Arabs in Palestine. http://mondoweiss.net/2011/12/beinart-says-israel-must-give-citizenship-to-palestinians-under-occupation/

    The men of the SS Liberty were told that the Israeli attack on their ship was a case of mistaken identity.

    What other lies has Israel been hiding behind, and how many more people have to die to protect those mythologies?

    Hey Chuck

    What was that part about your parents teaching you to respect Jews?

    :)

    Sherm

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  • “It was the era of…. All in the Family”

    All in the Family debuted in January 1971.

    The Six Day War occurred in 1967.

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  • Wally says: • Website
    @SolontoCroesus
    Several thoughts:

    1. This trio neglected to mention that Israel had nuclear devises on hand and was prepared to use them in one way or another --
    Two days ago NYTimes wrote about one such plan:
    Israel’s Doomsday Plan for Nuclear Display
    By WILLIAM J. BROAD and DAVID E. SANGERJUNE 3, 2017

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/world/middleeast/1967-arab-israeli-war-nuclear-warning.html

    BUT

    Isabella Ginor and Gideon Remez claims in Foxbats Over Dimona
    The Soviets' Nuclear Gamble in the Six-Day War
    http://yalebooks.com/book/9780300136272/foxbats-over-dimona
    seem to contradict Finkelstein's narrative and the story reported by David Sanger --


    "the Six-Day War was the result of a joint Soviet-Arab gambit to provoke Israel into a preemptive attack.

    . . . the Soviets received a secret Israeli message indicating that Israel, despite its official ambiguity, was about to acquire nuclear weapons. Determined to destroy Israel’s nuclear program before it could produce an atomic bomb, the Soviets then began preparing for war--well before Moscow accused Israel of offensive intent, the overt trigger of the crisis."
     

    But the three sets of claims actually can be seen to fit together to form a closer-to-complete picture of those dramatic 6 days.

    2. Finkelstein's interpretation of the attack on the Liberty is chilling. Every American, and especially every American congressman and decision-maker should receive a billboard-sized copy of Finkelstein's explanation:

    Israelis attacked the Liberty -- and killed 34 US personnel -- out of hatred of Americans, a hatred as deep as Israeli hatred of Arabs.

    Finkelstein's words are breathtaking:


    My own hypothesis is, this is Israel’s big moment, the climactic of the Jewish people, a collective paroxysm-cum-orgasm. All the armed services want to get a piece of the action. The air force, the army, the navy.

    The navy hadn’t yet seen real combat. As the war was winding down, they were probably anxious to be part of this glorious chapter. To play their part in the Jewish people’s revenge on the goyim.

    Remember, the Israelis don’t just hate Arabs. They’re in an eternal war with all the goyim. All the goyim wanted the Jews dead. Just read Daniel Goldhagen if you have any doubts. The Americans are goyim. They refused entry to Jews fleeing the Holocaust; they didn’t bomb the railway tracks to Auschwitz; they, too, wanted all the Jews dead. Now they’re butting into our war, dispatching a spy ship into our waters, trying to restrain us in our moment of glory. Fuck the Americans! Fuck the goyim! Long live the Jews!

    Besides the Israeli air assault on the USS Liberty, the Israeli navy torpedoed the vessel. It got to share in the mock heroics and avenge the millennial suffering of the Jews. Everyone got their 15 minutes of drawing blood, in memoriam of the Jewish martyrs.
     

    In a conversation about Lebanese reactions to the 2006 war, Finkelstein said: "I like the Jewish attitude . . . The Jewish attitude is Never to Forgive, Never to Forget. I agree with that. . . . I respect the Jewish attitude a thousand times more."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe65-nF3FQ

    It seems to follow logically that Israelis have not, and will never, slake their lust for the blood of the goyim AND the Arab.

    In the three-way chat that is the content of this article, as also in a conversation between Finkelstein and Aaron Mate, it is revealed that the stories told as dogma about the 1967 war are lies; fabrications; mythology. http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=19230

    Several years ago Mondoweiss posted a video in which Dana Karon, in tears, told a panel chaired by Peter Beinart that "We were lied to" in Israeli schools, about the presence (non-presence) of Arabs in Palestine. http://mondoweiss.net/2011/12/beinart-says-israel-must-give-citizenship-to-palestinians-under-occupation/

    The men of the SS Liberty were told that the Israeli attack on their ship was a case of mistaken identity.

    What other lies has Israel been hiding behind, and how many more people have to die to protect those mythologies?

    “What other lies has Israel been hiding behind, and how many more people have to die to protect those mythologies?”

    That’s an easy one:

    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are laughable, scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    Why have supremacist Jews have been marketing the ’6,000,000′ lie since at least 1869?

    ‘antisemitic’: any thought or person that a Jew doesn’t like

    The ’6,000,000 Jews’ lie and the laughing Mexican:

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    That laughing mexican is a great edit. He is so excited about being a living mexican stereotype: lazy, dumb, and uncaring.


    So do you always have that post copied incase you need to just alt-v and spread the love?
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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    {The Saudi vs Iran spat is heating up lately with the Qatar crisis. }

    Whoever believes in this piece of SHIT, then I should say that person either is a dummy or is a Zionist illiterate mass murderer like your Zionist illiterate servant, the ‘president’. Trump/Natnyahu are directly responsible for warning against Qatar and the terror attack in Iran.

    This warning to Qatar is not the words of the Saudis, because the Saudis head of states are nothing but petty US/Israel behind lickers servants and Saudi Arabia is a COLONY where its ‘kings’ do not allow to breath without US/Israel permission.

    This warning to Qatar and terror act in Iran is coming directly from the illiterate Zionist stooge, trump and Netanyahu against Iran carried out by their trained terrorists THE KURDS.

    The axis of evil US – Israel – Britain project to re draw the map of the region with cooperation of US/Israel terrorists and pawns, the kurds, is behind the chaos and murdering of millions of Muslims in the region.

    The mass murderers, Trump – Natanyhu, make the FAKE “Saudi vs Iran spat ” to explain their terrors and tell the DUMB POPULATION that this is a fight between Saudis and Iranians for influence. In fact, these crimes against humanity is carried out by the axis of evil US -Israel – Britain for ‘greater Israel’ and partition of the regional states to have upper hand on the middle east and North Africa resources to help the survival of the criminal jewish Zionist entity where should be destroyed.

    They have a jewish state in New York and should fuck off Now.

    This is, as former NATO General have said, the invasion of seven countries in five years for geopolitical gain by the United states and its mass murderers ‘leaders’ and Zionist jewish tribe.

    When do you want to understand cowards?

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    I favor the area of New York North of Albany and from the Pennsylvania border to Lake Eire separating from the Jewish State of New York.
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  • @jilles dykstra
    " I think many Jews privately agree with Finkelstein on many matters, but they feel it’s advantageous to play up the Victim Card "

    I wonder if they play the victim card.
    The thirties experience, jews were persecuted and nowhere welcome, and the WWII horrors, whatever one may think of gas chambers, made a very deep impression on jews.
    This of course was reinforced by their own holocaust propaganda, that goes on to the present day.
    Those who want to see for themselves how jews are afraid I can recommend the writings of Stephen Steinlight, a USA jewish sociologist, who sees in immigration from the south a great threat to USA jewry, because 'for them jews are just rich Americans, they do not know about the holocaust'.

    The “perpetual victim” card is a main characteristic of Judaism and is ingrained in their culture. Attempts to transfer this trait to others who they (Jews) consider oppressed have met with some success. For example, the American “civil-rights” movement of the 1950s and 1960s was orchestrated by leftist Jews who successfully imposed their universal “victimhood” trait on blacks. We are living with the results of this dysfunctional trait to this day.
    The “perpetual victimhood” trait is so strong, Jews are now demanding that “holocaust ™ reparations” be extended to children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren of “holocaust ™ survivors” as “they too are victims of the holocaust ™”, which some Jewish psychiatrists now call “transference”…follow the shekels…
    When will it ever end?

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    Never.
    Anyone can see that Israel cannot go on much longer like this, alas zionist jews do not see it.
    Not so long ago Netanyahu tried to sell his idea in the UN General Assembly that the whole world is wrong, and just Israel right.
    Jews and Armenians are exactly the same, their ideas about history are so part of their identity that is is impossible to change those ideas.
    That the children of those who were persecuted and survived have psychic problems, no fairy tale, I suppose.
    But what about the children of German and Japanese victims of WWII ?
    Or Russian victims ?
    Very interesting is
    Ward Churchill, 'A Little Matter of Genocide, Holocaust and Denial in the Americas, 1492 to the Present', San Francisco 1997
    the battle between North American Indians, and jews, which holocaust is the one and only unique one.
    , @Israel is a pustule
    Ooh, way to get the ol' twofer: Jews AND Communists!
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  • @Anonymous
    To try and give your tabloid comic book repetitions of old conspiracy theorists' assertions some credibility just firm up one cliché: "the brave American sailor's efforts to reconnect an antenna (under fire) to reestablish communications with the fleet" . Who was the sailor? At whatvpoint in the attacks did the antenna cease to be connected and at what point re onnected? Wbat fire sas he under? Machine gunning from an Israeli plane flying directly toward him as he did what exactly? Or? AND how does your Boys Own version stand up with the story we got on an earlier thread of partal failure of jamming being the critical factor, and with the repeated insistence that Washington had realtime knowledge of what was happening?

    It is obvious that you are a hasbara troll who will not accept truth…

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  • @mcohen
    Mondoweiss.......You kidding right.the site is mostly supported by left foot commie bum boys these days.i was banned from there for posting a few lousy poems.but things took a turn for the straaange when i posted my farmers prophecies.after that everything was strictly moderated.i must admit i do miss some of the people posting there.at one time there was a rumour that the great fandango himself left the odd post.

    Lest you forgot mr weiss and companions .....don,t take your gift of being a jew for granted.

    3 companions,7 falling stars,the earth shall open,an ancient stream shall flow again.

    Mondoweiss…….You kidding right.the site is mostly supported by left foot commie bum boys these days

    Not kidding a bit. You don’t like Mondoweiss?? You must be an anti-Semite.

    Speaking of filthy commies, tell us all about the Bolsheviks. You know, Hitler was supported by Zionists, and Hitler was opposed to the Bolshies, and the Comintern plus the commie rabble rousers in his own country and he probably would’ve agreed with your attitude about the left foot commie bum boys. So, as a commie hater, where do you stand vis a vis Lenin and his political spawn? How about Stalin? Would you have supported the Hitler and his Zio-buddies? Why or why not?

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    I will be honest and say that i never grew up in Europe.i always thought stalin and lenin were musicians similar to simon and garfunkel.you know.russian folk musicians.way before my time.even before dylan went electric.
    Obviously i was wrong.i know one thing though.the past is worthless.the spark gone.all that counts now is the future.there are no communists or whatevers left.
    there are only consumerists.and commie bum boys who wring there hands in despair while feeding at the trough

    Consumerism....The most dangerous political movement the world has ever seen.
    Eating its way through this body of a planet.
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  • I hope Stormin Norman got a good settlement from Loyola….

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    Schwarzkopf?
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  • Y’all need to look at the Giraldi thread about the Liberty. Comments here are utterly uninformed on the issue.

    When Nasser announced the closing of the straights of Tiran, he also upset Jordan. The Overseer of the Church of God in Jordan was visiting with us when we lived in Germany when the announcement came. He blurted in shock, “Nasser is closing our only seaport!”

    Finkelstein can say what he wants, but nearly the entire population of Israel was running scared when the Tiran announcement came. Troops were being moved by both Egypt and Syria, and a state of war already existed between Israel and her neighbors. Legally, Israel could strike out at any provocation her neighbors committed at the time and it would have been righteous. The 6 day war was well within the rights of Israel.

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  • May 16, 2012 “USS Liberty: Dead In The Water” (BBC Documentary 2002)

    On June 8th, 1965, during the Six-Day War, Israel attacked and nearly sank the USS Liberty belonging to its closest ally, the USA. Thirty-four American servicemen were killed and over 170 wounded in the two-hour assault by Israeli warplanes and torpedo boats.

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  • @Priss Factor
    There are many kinds of Jews.

    1. Religious Jews who are into Jewish Power.

    2. Religious Jews who are only into Jewish religion.

    3. Secular Jews who reject Jewishness altogether.

    4. Secular Jews who are rah-rah for Jewish power.

    5. Secular Jews who embrace Jewishness but are critical of Jewish power.

    Finkelstein belongs to #5.

    I think many Jews privately agree with Finkelstein on many matters, but they feel it's advantageous to play up the Victim Card because they see the world in terms of zero/sum game: Jews have total power or Jews have nothing. Jews can only be an Extreme People. Extremely Powerful OR Extremely Persecuted. Why? Because Jews are smart, driven, pushy, and often devious. So, this leads to a lot of wealth, influence, and abuse of power. And this naturally leads to envy, resentment, and anger(some of it justified) on the part of goyim. And once goyim get angry, they might want to pull Jews down, and then, Jews will be persecuted again.
    So, Jews must be All Powerful or Persecuted. Jews cannot be a Normal People because of their outsized talents, personality, and cunning.

    Therefore, even though many Jews agree with Finkelstein's criticism of Jewish power, they believe there is no Sane or Normal way for Jews. It's either Their Way or the Highway.
    Because Jews have so much power, abused too much power, and have too many skeletons in the closet, they mustn't given an inch. Given an inch, and the 'anti-Semites' will smell the blood and attack more and more.

    Still, things could be changing among the younger generation.. and then maybe there will be a real fracture in Global Jewish Power, something similar to the division in the Muslim World between Sunnis and Shias(though nothing on that scale). Because Jews are far smaller in number than the Muslims and because of the magnitude of WWII and Holocaust and also due to shared ethnicity(whereas Muslims are of various races and ethnicity), Jews have been relatively cohesive in their power politics.

    The Saudi vs Iran spat is heating up lately with the Qatar crisis.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEsuVfO4jtQ

    Perhaps, Saudis wouldn't be so anti-Iran if Iran were ruled by a secular leader like the Shah. But because it is an Islamic Republic, what it stands for poses a challenge to the Saudi Royal Family as the true patrons of Islamism. If Iran were ruled by secularists, Shia-ism would be just another sect. But because Shia-ism has the full backing of the Iranian regime, it poses a challenge to the House of Saud, whose cultural legitimacy has been backed by funding Sunni Wahabitism that, in turn, has blessed the family. Without the backing of Wahabism, the House of Saud is just rich Arabs with too much money. And this is why Qatar's less hostile approach to Iran is threatening to Saudis. Saudis fear peace with Iran more than war with Iran. Peace with Iran would mean House of Saud accepting the legitimacy of Iran as champion of Shia-ism as the other representative of Islam. That is threatening to Saudi's role as the Sole standard bearer of True Islam. And then, Wahabis will lose respect for the House of Saud for having reneged on its role the defenders of True Islam. Sunnis can tolerate Shias as the other sect, but they cannot tolerate Shia-ism as state-backed version of the other True Islam.

    In a way, Saudi Arabia and Iran are both theocracies but in reversed order. In Saudi Arabia, the real power is with the Royal Family, but its legitimacy depends on the Wahabi clerics.
    In Iran, the real power is with the clerics, but it operates through the apparatus of a modern 'democratic' state.
    In a way, the fact that Iranians are Persians is both a problem and a relief to the Saudis. It is a problem because Arabs and Persians are different, like Arabs and Kurds. But it's a relief to the Saudis because if Shia Iranians were all Arabs, Shia-ism would pose even a greater threat as not only the Other Islam but as the faith of other Arabs.

    Even though there are different kinds of Jews, the rifts are under control and there's nothing among Jews that comes close to the poisonous hostility that exists among Muslims.

    Priss,

    That is probably the worst comment of yours that I have read.

    Your classification of Jews misses at least one important group:those opposed to the state of Israel on religious grounds.

    They are the true religious ultra-Orthodox.

    What the western press refers to as that, are not ultra-Orthodox, but just ultra-violent Orthodox.

    There are so many other stupid ideas on other topics in your post, but my battery is running low, so will closing there for now.

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    Your classification of Jews misses at least one important group:those opposed to the state of Israel on religious grounds.


    2. Religious Jews who are only into Jewish religion.
    , @anonymous

    Your classification of Jews misses at least one important group:those opposed to the state of Israel on religious grounds.
    They are the true religious ultra-Orthodox.
     
    There are 2 groups of Jews that are opposed to the state of Israel on religious grounds :
    Neturei Karta : 5,000 members of this group worldwide .
    Satmar : 100,000 members worldwide. There is a split in Satmar so only about half are against the jewish state on religious grounds.

    There are estimated to be 16 million Jews in the world. This 55,00 are a vanishingly small proportion of Jews . Orthodox Jews number 3 million so even among them the percentage of anti Israel jews is very small .

    Many people would argue that Satmar and Neturei Karta are not orthodox jews as they ignore much of the Torah themselves , just different parts than non orthodox Jews ignore. People see them in their funny garb and assume that they are religious but Neteuri Karta members dress in gold and jeweled robes , fur hats and expensive accoutrements . hardly the modest and humble dress required of them . In fact their dress has zero to do with Judaism and is in fact copying the styles of 17thh century polish nobility.

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  • Apr 19, 2017 Pro Palestinian rally during AIPAC convention 2017

    On March 26, 2017 Thousands gathered in a pro Palestinian rally which began in front of the White House in Washington DC, followed by a march the the Washington Convention Center to protest the AIPAC convention.

    May 11, 2017 Abbas Ready to Sign Peace Deal with Israel, Sources Say

    Sources familiar with the ongoing peace talk efforts say that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas signaled “unprecedented readiness” for a peace deal with Israel during his meeting at the White House last week, a sign that the peace process could be getting a big shot in the arm.

    http://news.antiwar.com/2017/05/11/abbas-ready-to-sign-peace-deal-with-israel-sources-say/

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