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    Mr Gideon Falter, 34, who runs the Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAAS) was the chief witness for the Crown Prosecution service’s (CPS) against the British minstrel Alison Chabloz. On January 10th at Marylebone Magistrate’s Court we heard him swear the oath, to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. He then proceeded...
  • @Varenik
    They are all armchair warriors, just like Kristols and Kagans.
    None of them dare say it to your face.
    Their biggest mental and physical efforts is to paste links to lunatics spewing idiocies out of context.

    You have no room to call anyone cowardly when you want Big Brother to imprison people who question your stories and claims.

    The Jewish Supremacist cries out in pain as he strikes you.

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  • @Anon
    May I point out something about this whole blood money business?

    The British, Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, and yes, even the Soviets, rescued Jews from the Germans. When you call an ambulance to rescue you, you have to pay them for the service.

    Morally speaking, Jews owe those people some money for pulling them out of trouble in World War II, but Jews never talk about that. Jews are not even thankful the Allies put a halt to the death camps and freed the inmates. All they do is complain.

    The Soviets fought Germany in order to prevent the colonization and genocide that the Germans wanted to carry out on much of the Soviet population.

    If you’re hitchhiking and an ambulance gives you a ride to the town that the ambulance was already going, it would be scummy of them to expect you to pay them the amount they would charge a patient they went out of their way to pick up and treat.

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  • We are told very forcefully by the elites that Jewish Supremacy isn’t real. But if that is true, then why are Jews the group that one is least allowed to criticize? And why is the “Holocaust” the one thing that we are least allowed to question? At least in the US, dissidents will only lose their jobs and be subject to vigilante violence by leftists. In the UK and some other countries, they’ll imprison you on top of that.

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  • @Rurik
    Hey Paul,


    Jews define “it” as the systematic extermination and genocide of Jews, largely by gassing, during WW2.
     
    Well, if that would be accepted as the definition of the Holocaust, then I’d say there’s a serious dearth of evidence. Especially when you consider that all the evidence for the gas chambers seems false, if not down-right lies. Which as we all know they were perfectly notorious for doing, with all the lies about soap and lampshades and shrunken heads and sadistic experiments, blah, blah, blah…

    But I very seriously doubt that if the gas chambers hoax were to be widely exposed, that they’d pack it all up and say, ‘sorry, we made that all up to justify the horrors visited upon the German people after the war was over. Oh yea, and also to extort untold billions of dollars from Germany and Switzerland and the ZUSA and everywhere else we could claim eternal victimhood.

    Rather I suspect that they’d just run with it, and say ‘yea, sure, there were really no gas chambers, but that doesn’t mean the Holohoax didn’t happen! Why it was terrible! they actually pulled babies from lories and tossed them onto fire pits with geysers of blood shooting up, when they weren’t impaling them on bayonets (oops, that was the lies about Germany in the first world war)

    So yea, they're not about to give up on that cash cow, that gives them eternal victimhood as they murder Arab children for fun.

    Worse, they’ve shut down free speech on the subject in Europe, where it’s a jailable offense, which suggests they’ve been caught in a lie.
     
    I don’t have to tell you Paul, about the insidious and nefarious and infinite power of the Fed.

    Why are we focusing on “The Holocaust”, which is unproven, and not discussing Jewish involvement in WW2,
     
    because many people believe that exposing the lies about the Holocaust will help us all be freer from their mental and psychological chains of guilt they’ve forged for us all, with the complicity of our leaders.

    Also, one of the things about the Holocaust that rarely gets mentioned, is that the Polish (and Russian and other) authorities know there were no gas chambers, and that the six million number is a preposterous lie and blood libel against the German people. But they aren’t too keen about exposing those lies because they very much enjoy watching Germany suffer. If anyone thinks all the animosity between Germany and the Slavic nations is all water under the bridge by now, boy oh boy they could not be more wrong. The Poles and Russians see the Jews shamelessly exploiting the Shoah and rubbing Germany’s face in it for perpetuity, and maybe they secretly wish it was their relatives whose deaths were eternally consecrated as the worst crime against humanity that ever happened, but since they don’t posses the Jews PR machine, they’re at least happy to see someone rub Germany’s face in it, so long as Germany is made to suffer for all eternity.

    It wasn’t just the invasion of their country by Germany and the consequent horrors of the war, but it’s also the envy that goes along with having Germany as a neighbor. The German people are a great people, with a proud heritage, whose genius and accomplishments are unparalleled by her neighbors to the East, and so there’s some envy there, and a running theme of mine is that there is no hatred on this earth than the hatred of the envious for those whom they envy.

    So keeping the Holocaust narrative alive is very much a Russian and Polish agenda, so long as it’s always considered an uniquely German crime. It’s rather hilarious today to see Poland passing laws against calling any part of the Holocaust a ‘Polish crime’ as well. When we all know that Jews were summarily executed once the Nazis liberated Polish and other people’s lands, at la Katyn, when the Polish people exacted vengeance against the Jewish Kommissars who’d been slaughtering their relatives.

    Perhaps if Poland got a nice taste of what Germany’s being subjected to for generations, they might be a little more sympathetic to Germany. But I wouldn’t hold my breath.

    Too long already, going to stop for now.

    PS, I agree with you about The Protocols

    The “holohoax” is no different than what American liberals do when they uncover a “racism” hoax. They still declare, that, although the “hoax” was faked and exposed, it is still “a learning experience”. Happens all the time…

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  • @Anonymous
    Ah. Still having trouble finding those pics of well-fed [sic] prisoners at Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen or La La land? They must have diverted the rations from my father's POW camp.
    Doesn't braying blatant BS ever make you start thinking?

    Look ‘em up yourself. I will not do your “homework” for you, hasbara

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  • @anarchyst
    The "skeletal prisoners" were emaciated because of the rampant typhus epidemic that was rampant in the final days of the war. There are many more photos of camp prisoners in the same camps who WERE well-fed to the end of their confinement and were happy to be liberated.
    The perverse "holocaust ™" industry keeps showing the typhus photos in order to "prove" that the "holocaust ™" occurred, only to keep the "holocaust ™" alive.

    Ah. Still having trouble finding those pics of well-fed [sic] prisoners at Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen or La La land? They must have diverted the rations from my father’s POW camp.
    Doesn’t braying blatant BS ever make you start thinking?

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    Look 'em up yourself. I will not do your "homework" for you, hasbara
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  • @Χωρίς Ὄνομα
    Let me help you with the truth, although the Jews rarely appreciate the truth and usually propagate lies to cover more lies, anyway:

    #1. There is no such thing as "holocaust deniers" with or without the "so called" in front of it. There are however, legitimate skeptics who want to know the specifics of the so called Holocaust. And I say "so called" because who ever of you jews chose that word (describing what happened to the jewish people during WWII at the hands of German/Nazis) was either not very well educated or extremely foolish. The term "holocaust" is an ancient Greek word that means the complete burning of an offering to the Gods as a sign of "devoutness". In the jews case, it is totally and ridiculously NOT what happened. I and most normal people, do recognize that jews suffered during WWII. What we cannot accept thought is that some omnipresent force will come and punish us if we dare ask, anything about this sad historical event, that is not ...approved by the jews. And on top of that putting people to prison because they express a dissenting view is horrific. If you call us deniers then how about us calling you deniers also since you the jews deny a lot of things that we "gentiles" and especially Christians hold sacred. So own up to your sin and start behaving like mature and responsible human beings.

    #2. The research all these "deniers" do, actually prove, for the most part, that the official version of the so called "holocaust", the one promoted, sanctioned and protected by the omnipresent jewish organizations that monitor our lives, is not exactly how the jews say. And this is what terrifies the jews, that one day, parts or even the entire story will be proven a hoax and the entire "holocaust" edifice will collapse with a loud rumble. Revisionists, do not create any doubt at all. On the contrary, their goal is to clarify and explain how it all happened simply because the jewish story simply does not add up. I mean we understand that you jews feel you are superior and the chosen race but hey until your God comes back for the final judgement (or whatever you expect him to come for) you also have to accept that the rules of physics apply all the same to jews AND gentiles. So when the Kapos themselves claimed that they put 3-4 corpses in the crematorium oven and they were completely burned in about 20 minutes, please excuse us, we cannot believe that because even today 70 years later with modern and vastly more advanced technology it is widely known that a dead body requires 1-2 hours to be fully cremated. And this is only one of the lies (sorry, I meant "examples") where things simply just do not add up.

    #3. Finally, one of the main issues we have with the way the so called holocaust is promoted is the fact that the jews want us to believe that it was the singular most evil thing that ever happened in the world from its beginning and that it cannot be compared to anything else. Actually, most jews feel they have the rights, e.g. the Copyright to the word "holocaust" and if any other ethnic group dare to use it there is immediate persecution, through the jewish owned media, the government agencies, private jewish corporations, and why not, even at the legal level. So what you say, "Let us hope that if anything the holocaust will bring attention to all the crimes of humanity that have occured since the second world war." is highly hypocritical. Go tell that to the Polish people who called the Katyn massacre a Holocaust of the WWII polish elite or even before, during the Holodomor, the bolshevik imposed starvation or the Ukrainian people in the mid 20s and let's not forget that the majority of communist russian were jews.

    So please, spare us the lies, the misinformation and most importantly the hypocrisy. We know you well, that's why throughout the millennia we, gentiles, have been taking our precautions when dealing with you the duplicitous and subversive jews.

    It is worth considering the laws against Holocaust denial in the light of changing sensibilities about bullying. When I was young the idea of laws and programs against bullying would have been laughed or sneered at and bullying justbtreated as something you just confronted and stared down or criticised as a friend of the bullied.

    Also having lived through decades of increasing sophistication in all sorts of antisocial activity of which tax avoidance comes to mind i suggest that we might have to fight back against powerful bullies or simply persistent creeps who take advantage of the limitations of simple rules. If you have the money snd stamina to overwhelm careful scrupulous argument with sheer repetition of scurrilous simplicitieswhat’s to be done? Supposing Wahabi imams got the Saudi royals to put up money so that small Coptic communities everywhere could be verbally persecuted is First Amendment purity the right standard?

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  • @Rurik

    However, I must disagree with you on your assertion that the “land of Israel” was promised to the jews by God.
     
    well Anarchyst, if I said that, it was surely to mock such idiocy.

    the only people who believe that are Zionists, most of whom are 'Christians'


    Tying Judaism to Christianity was a clever trick used by the jews
     
    but was not the Bible written by Jews? Was not the Christ Himself a Jew? Born to a Jewish mother, and impregnated by the Jewish God? (obviously, there was no Christian God at the moment before conception)

    So it seems to me that Christianity, while based on the more humane New Testament, is still an offshoot of the Jewish-written Bible, with a Jewish God, (a rabbi) as its savior.

    I'll share this with you anarchyst, it was one of my more dire epiphanies in life..

    I remember the moment when I discovered that (some) Jews actually do believe themselves to be chosen (the only people with souls) who God created creation for, and put all us goyim here to serve as their slaves and lick their feet, so they could live off the fat of the land, blah, blah, blah...

    it is written

    And I remember being struck by that revelation. Utterly gobsmacked.

    Sure, such things are understandably part of a millenniums old, stone age ignorance, when superstitious humankind was fumbling for answers from the heavens, and as humans are naturally ethnocentric, and thus might be given to a certain self-aggrandizing view of himself, I could cope with what people believed thousands of years ago. But to imagine that there were humans among us today, that actually believed such hysterical, prima facie balderdash, was a huge wakeup call.

    Wow! Holy *@#$! These people really, actually believe that &%$*!

    Well sir, the next phase of my lost innocence was when I was talking to a Christian, and he was married to a Jewish woman, and he was casually explaining to me that while he and his wife didn't always see eye to eye, the thing that kept him in line was the knowledge that God loved Jews best of all, and so he had better watch his Ps & Qs, because after all, the Jews are chosen.

    And then I realized that not only did some Jews actually consider themselves divinely superior to the rest of us, but that there were actually Christians that agreed!

    I felt like vomiting on his face. Such was the violent nausea at the realization that a fellow human can actually be so gullible and capable of self-loathing, that they can believe that God created them as a dog-like second-class servant, vis-a-vis this other tribe of divinely superior people.

    This was a human, standing there on two legs, but psychologically and spiritually he was a dog, eager to accept his beta station, and lick the hand of his master, as his role.

    It is written.

    whew boy!

    so the relationship between Jew and Christian is complex and intertwined. Christians worship a Jew. A man who drank wine and was tempted by the devil. But who was God Himself in the flesh. Simultaneously mortal and divine, just as many Christians consider the chosen people.

    OK, I get on these endless rants, so pardon me. I'll try to wrap this up.


    The god of judaism is a vengeful god, totally unlike the merciful and welcoming God of Christianity.
     
    it sort of seems to me like a kind of Stockholm Syndrome, like a battered wife who becomes psychologically dependent on her role. Her (Christian) identity is tied to victimhood, and so she pushes her abusive husband's buttons so as to unleash his wrath, and consummate the covenant.

    Christianity's exhortations to 'turn the other cheek', are like a masochistic invitation for abuse. Especially when the abuser's role is codified by scripture as well. The Jewish role in the relationship between Jew and Christian is as the aggressor, and the Christian as the long suffering and submissive victim. Always forgiving, always loving, especially as they're being wronged (murdered, pillaged, raped and enslaved), they are to love their enemies. 'Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do'.

    All this plays out in real-time right before our eyes. The Jews demanded WWII, and got it. The Jewish Bolsheviks murdered untold scores of millions of Christians in the most horrific way imaginable, often with slow and cruel starvation. Or burning (especially women and children) alive. Over a hundred million Christians died, often as I mentioned, horrifically during and after that Jewish imposed war.

    And how do the Christians of the world now treat that event? With groveling submission to 'the Jews', that's how. They can't apologize enough. They fall all over themselves in servile and abject abasement. How sorry they all are! 'We're soooo sorry for what 'we've' done! They gush.

    'How about we send our young to go slaughter some other innocent people (who don't matter to God) so that you can steal their land? 'That's how sorry we all are'!

    We're willing to sacrifice untold thousands of their (actually other people's) young so that the chosen can continue to ravage the holy land in God's name.

    nausea kicking in again..

    sorry for ranting so much

    Hey Rurik,

    I’m not deep on Christianity, the Bible and Jesus but this is an area of research I’ve begun. I have a lot of respect for Texe Marrs and Ed Hendrie (Bloody Zion) whose books I’ve read. Texe makes the case here that Jesus was born in “the land of Gentiles” and his teachings are in direct opposition to Judaism, which I agree wholeheartedly. I would not be surprised if we’ve been lied to yet again by those controlling knowledge. If you have the time, I’d suggest listening to this podcast as I’d be curious of your opinion, which is always well thought out. I realize this is a significant homework assignment since it’s approx 60 minutes. No worries if you don’t have the time.

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  • I just tried to play the video. Got sent to YouTube, then was told that video was “not available in your country.” (in Western Europe)

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  • @anarchyst
    The "skeletal prisoners" were emaciated because of the rampant typhus epidemic that was rampant in the final days of the war. There are many more photos of camp prisoners in the same camps who WERE well-fed to the end of their confinement and were happy to be liberated.
    The perverse "holocaust ™" industry keeps showing the typhus photos in order to "prove" that the "holocaust ™" occurred, only to keep the "holocaust ™" alive.

    See #162

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    @ anarchyst

    Interesting. But I detect a bit of a Wally stumble there in your “who WERE well-fed ……and were happy to be liberated” [clue: as opposed to those not happy to be liberated???? Or is it just the typical jumble of mostly tendentious words?].

    Can you plesse link some of these photos of well fed prisoners of Buchenwald and Belsen? After all those sinister photo propagators you accuse can’t conceal them givrn today’s www.

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  • @Anonymous
    Useful elements to understanding might include orderly Germsn habits like the efficient use of tattooed numbers on the SS personnel!

    I think there is a tendency on these Nazi and Holocaust related threads to oversimplify - cp. What can be read on a typical protester's placard. Let's remember the unsurprising fact that a lot of German soldiers, including SS, were presumed to be likely to have qualms sbout their extermination dutiea and measures were taken, if only specious propaganda, to settle their queasiness. The emphasis on using Jews, POWs and others as forced labour made obvious sense in more ways than one. How much easier to get Germans to rationslise what was happening if they could intone Arbeit Macht Frei or just something more britally practical.

    I note that you or some other commenter has ascribed the sppalling deaths in Bucheneald and/or Betgen-Belsen to lack of food in the last months of the war but that overlooks several unfenisble facts such ss the contrast between the skeletal prisoners and the well fed condition of the guards - not just a matter of a few calories, but presumsbly discrimination against those who were too weak to work or were ill. Then there were the hundreds or thousands of healthy looking locsls one sees in the films of their being forced to visit the camps. No doubt they would have responded like the Red Cross in fine Christian spirit if the camps' welfare officers had been sent to alert them. Somr of the more moribund prisoners might have even been boarded out..... These weren't apparently designated extermination camps which makes Nazi attitudes to humam brings and their ptevalence in the population all the more evident.

    The “skeletal prisoners” were emaciated because of the rampant typhus epidemic that was rampant in the final days of the war. There are many more photos of camp prisoners in the same camps who WERE well-fed to the end of their confinement and were happy to be liberated.
    The perverse “holocaust ™” industry keeps showing the typhus photos in order to “prove” that the “holocaust ™” occurred, only to keep the “holocaust ™” alive.

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    See #162
    , @Anonymous
    Ah. Still having trouble finding those pics of well-fed [sic] prisoners at Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen or La La land? They must have diverted the rations from my father's POW camp.
    Doesn't braying blatant BS ever make you start thinking?
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  • @Rurik
    Hey Paul,


    Jews define “it” as the systematic extermination and genocide of Jews, largely by gassing, during WW2.
     
    Well, if that would be accepted as the definition of the Holocaust, then I’d say there’s a serious dearth of evidence. Especially when you consider that all the evidence for the gas chambers seems false, if not down-right lies. Which as we all know they were perfectly notorious for doing, with all the lies about soap and lampshades and shrunken heads and sadistic experiments, blah, blah, blah…

    But I very seriously doubt that if the gas chambers hoax were to be widely exposed, that they’d pack it all up and say, ‘sorry, we made that all up to justify the horrors visited upon the German people after the war was over. Oh yea, and also to extort untold billions of dollars from Germany and Switzerland and the ZUSA and everywhere else we could claim eternal victimhood.

    Rather I suspect that they’d just run with it, and say ‘yea, sure, there were really no gas chambers, but that doesn’t mean the Holohoax didn’t happen! Why it was terrible! they actually pulled babies from lories and tossed them onto fire pits with geysers of blood shooting up, when they weren’t impaling them on bayonets (oops, that was the lies about Germany in the first world war)

    So yea, they're not about to give up on that cash cow, that gives them eternal victimhood as they murder Arab children for fun.

    Worse, they’ve shut down free speech on the subject in Europe, where it’s a jailable offense, which suggests they’ve been caught in a lie.
     
    I don’t have to tell you Paul, about the insidious and nefarious and infinite power of the Fed.

    Why are we focusing on “The Holocaust”, which is unproven, and not discussing Jewish involvement in WW2,
     
    because many people believe that exposing the lies about the Holocaust will help us all be freer from their mental and psychological chains of guilt they’ve forged for us all, with the complicity of our leaders.

    Also, one of the things about the Holocaust that rarely gets mentioned, is that the Polish (and Russian and other) authorities know there were no gas chambers, and that the six million number is a preposterous lie and blood libel against the German people. But they aren’t too keen about exposing those lies because they very much enjoy watching Germany suffer. If anyone thinks all the animosity between Germany and the Slavic nations is all water under the bridge by now, boy oh boy they could not be more wrong. The Poles and Russians see the Jews shamelessly exploiting the Shoah and rubbing Germany’s face in it for perpetuity, and maybe they secretly wish it was their relatives whose deaths were eternally consecrated as the worst crime against humanity that ever happened, but since they don’t posses the Jews PR machine, they’re at least happy to see someone rub Germany’s face in it, so long as Germany is made to suffer for all eternity.

    It wasn’t just the invasion of their country by Germany and the consequent horrors of the war, but it’s also the envy that goes along with having Germany as a neighbor. The German people are a great people, with a proud heritage, whose genius and accomplishments are unparalleled by her neighbors to the East, and so there’s some envy there, and a running theme of mine is that there is no hatred on this earth than the hatred of the envious for those whom they envy.

    So keeping the Holocaust narrative alive is very much a Russian and Polish agenda, so long as it’s always considered an uniquely German crime. It’s rather hilarious today to see Poland passing laws against calling any part of the Holocaust a ‘Polish crime’ as well. When we all know that Jews were summarily executed once the Nazis liberated Polish and other people’s lands, at la Katyn, when the Polish people exacted vengeance against the Jewish Kommissars who’d been slaughtering their relatives.

    Perhaps if Poland got a nice taste of what Germany’s being subjected to for generations, they might be a little more sympathetic to Germany. But I wouldn’t hold my breath.

    Too long already, going to stop for now.

    PS, I agree with you about The Protocols

    LOL (first part). I didn’t know that about Poland and Germany. Thanks.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    I agree that that is logical but I cannot see the logic in using hard-pressed transportation resources to relocate those marked for extermination great distances when they could more easily have been herded en-mass into an area such as a sports stadium and left without food, water or warm clothing. Few guards would have been required and death would have resulted within days for many and quite soon for all. They didn't do this and I simply wonder why?

    I'm not defending anyone but am trying to sort the truth from the propaganda and lies that have been used to further grievous agendas.

    Useful elements to understanding might include orderly Germsn habits like the efficient use of tattooed numbers on the SS personnel!

    I think there is a tendency on these Nazi and Holocaust related threads to oversimplify – cp. What can be read on a typical protester’s placard. Let’s remember the unsurprising fact that a lot of German soldiers, including SS, were presumed to be likely to have qualms sbout their extermination dutiea and measures were taken, if only specious propaganda, to settle their queasiness. The emphasis on using Jews, POWs and others as forced labour made obvious sense in more ways than one. How much easier to get Germans to rationslise what was happening if they could intone Arbeit Macht Frei or just something more britally practical.

    I note that you or some other commenter has ascribed the sppalling deaths in Bucheneald and/or Betgen-Belsen to lack of food in the last months of the war but that overlooks several unfenisble facts such ss the contrast between the skeletal prisoners and the well fed condition of the guards – not just a matter of a few calories, but presumsbly discrimination against those who were too weak to work or were ill. Then there were the hundreds or thousands of healthy looking locsls one sees in the films of their being forced to visit the camps. No doubt they would have responded like the Red Cross in fine Christian spirit if the camps’ welfare officers had been sent to alert them. Somr of the more moribund prisoners might have even been boarded out….. These weren’t apparently designated extermination camps which makes Nazi attitudes to humam brings and their ptevalence in the population all the more evident.

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    The "skeletal prisoners" were emaciated because of the rampant typhus epidemic that was rampant in the final days of the war. There are many more photos of camp prisoners in the same camps who WERE well-fed to the end of their confinement and were happy to be liberated.
    The perverse "holocaust ™" industry keeps showing the typhus photos in order to "prove" that the "holocaust ™" occurred, only to keep the "holocaust ™" alive.
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  • @Anonymous
    I have always understood that those who wete judged capable of some useful work were not killed immediately and, accordingly, the tattooing of a unique number for identification and tracking would be a logical measure to take. No?

    I agree that that is logical but I cannot see the logic in using hard-pressed transportation resources to relocate those marked for extermination great distances when they could more easily have been herded en-mass into an area such as a sports stadium and left without food, water or warm clothing. Few guards would have been required and death would have resulted within days for many and quite soon for all. They didn’t do this and I simply wonder why?

    I’m not defending anyone but am trying to sort the truth from the propaganda and lies that have been used to further grievous agendas.

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    Useful elements to understanding might include orderly Germsn habits like the efficient use of tattooed numbers on the SS personnel!

    I think there is a tendency on these Nazi and Holocaust related threads to oversimplify - cp. What can be read on a typical protester's placard. Let's remember the unsurprising fact that a lot of German soldiers, including SS, were presumed to be likely to have qualms sbout their extermination dutiea and measures were taken, if only specious propaganda, to settle their queasiness. The emphasis on using Jews, POWs and others as forced labour made obvious sense in more ways than one. How much easier to get Germans to rationslise what was happening if they could intone Arbeit Macht Frei or just something more britally practical.

    I note that you or some other commenter has ascribed the sppalling deaths in Bucheneald and/or Betgen-Belsen to lack of food in the last months of the war but that overlooks several unfenisble facts such ss the contrast between the skeletal prisoners and the well fed condition of the guards - not just a matter of a few calories, but presumsbly discrimination against those who were too weak to work or were ill. Then there were the hundreds or thousands of healthy looking locsls one sees in the films of their being forced to visit the camps. No doubt they would have responded like the Red Cross in fine Christian spirit if the camps' welfare officers had been sent to alert them. Somr of the more moribund prisoners might have even been boarded out..... These weren't apparently designated extermination camps which makes Nazi attitudes to humam brings and their ptevalence in the population all the more evident.
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  • @Wally
    How did she "survive" the alleged 'pure death camp' of Auschwitz if "the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on'?

    911 and the Holocaust: Cognitive Dissonance
    by Jim Rizoli
    https://codoh.com/library/document/5038/?lang=en
    https://youtu.be/aURDv-TggoU

    www.codoh.com

    Why do you think “the Germans tried” must mean “every armed German tried”. Did you pass 6th grade?

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally
    Complete BS. You can't really be that stupid.
    Numbers matter. We hear the fake '6M Jews' every waking moment. The fake & very specifically stated '6M' is used to gain a numerical superiority, bragging rights, over other alleged 'genocides'. Your fake strawman arguments are typical Zionist lies. See the same '6M' crap from at least 1869 below.

    What does the Yad Vashem Fantasy Theme Park prove? Nothing, it's a contrived, laughable Potemkin Village. What's at Auschwitz that works for you. Crematorium basements that could not scientifically work as 'gas chambers' that they are alleged to be?
    How can there be endless "holocau$t survivors" when it's claimed that 'the Germans tried to kill every Jew that got their hands on'?

    The 'holocaust' is simply scientifically impossible.
    I challenge you to tell us how the laughable 'gas chambers supposedly worked, and to show us all the alleged enormous mass graves and the enormous alleged human remains that are supposedly in existence and supposedly known.

    You are simply a 'holocaust' religion fanatic.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
    Supremacist Jews have been pushing the '6,000,000' lie since at least 1869:
    http://balder.org/judea/billeder-judea/Scan-New-York-Times-Six-Million-Since-1869-Composite.jpg
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

    What do you make of all those references to 6 million Wally? And, to start with, 1. how many refetences to numbers of Jews were there in the NYT? 2. What other numbers were quoted and how often? 3. What numbers were quoted in that period by other newspapers? 4. Have you any idea how much journalists used to tely on their own paper’s archives and cuttings files for what the sub-editors allowed them to pass off as fact?

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  • @NoseytheDuke
    I would be interested to know why a person would be required to be tattooed prior to being murdered and burned or buried? I can understand why a tattoo might be used to keep track of an enslaved living person or persons, horrible as that is, but that would contradict you claims. Kindly give it a go...

    I have always understood that those who wete judged capable of some useful work were not killed immediately and, accordingly, the tattooing of a unique number for identification and tracking would be a logical measure to take. No?

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    I agree that that is logical but I cannot see the logic in using hard-pressed transportation resources to relocate those marked for extermination great distances when they could more easily have been herded en-mass into an area such as a sports stadium and left without food, water or warm clothing. Few guards would have been required and death would have resulted within days for many and quite soon for all. They didn't do this and I simply wonder why?

    I'm not defending anyone but am trying to sort the truth from the propaganda and lies that have been used to further grievous agendas.
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  • @Rurik

    However, I must disagree with you on your assertion that the “land of Israel” was promised to the jews by God.
     
    well Anarchyst, if I said that, it was surely to mock such idiocy.

    the only people who believe that are Zionists, most of whom are 'Christians'


    Tying Judaism to Christianity was a clever trick used by the jews
     
    but was not the Bible written by Jews? Was not the Christ Himself a Jew? Born to a Jewish mother, and impregnated by the Jewish God? (obviously, there was no Christian God at the moment before conception)

    So it seems to me that Christianity, while based on the more humane New Testament, is still an offshoot of the Jewish-written Bible, with a Jewish God, (a rabbi) as its savior.

    I'll share this with you anarchyst, it was one of my more dire epiphanies in life..

    I remember the moment when I discovered that (some) Jews actually do believe themselves to be chosen (the only people with souls) who God created creation for, and put all us goyim here to serve as their slaves and lick their feet, so they could live off the fat of the land, blah, blah, blah...

    it is written

    And I remember being struck by that revelation. Utterly gobsmacked.

    Sure, such things are understandably part of a millenniums old, stone age ignorance, when superstitious humankind was fumbling for answers from the heavens, and as humans are naturally ethnocentric, and thus might be given to a certain self-aggrandizing view of himself, I could cope with what people believed thousands of years ago. But to imagine that there were humans among us today, that actually believed such hysterical, prima facie balderdash, was a huge wakeup call.

    Wow! Holy *@#$! These people really, actually believe that &%$*!

    Well sir, the next phase of my lost innocence was when I was talking to a Christian, and he was married to a Jewish woman, and he was casually explaining to me that while he and his wife didn't always see eye to eye, the thing that kept him in line was the knowledge that God loved Jews best of all, and so he had better watch his Ps & Qs, because after all, the Jews are chosen.

    And then I realized that not only did some Jews actually consider themselves divinely superior to the rest of us, but that there were actually Christians that agreed!

    I felt like vomiting on his face. Such was the violent nausea at the realization that a fellow human can actually be so gullible and capable of self-loathing, that they can believe that God created them as a dog-like second-class servant, vis-a-vis this other tribe of divinely superior people.

    This was a human, standing there on two legs, but psychologically and spiritually he was a dog, eager to accept his beta station, and lick the hand of his master, as his role.

    It is written.

    whew boy!

    so the relationship between Jew and Christian is complex and intertwined. Christians worship a Jew. A man who drank wine and was tempted by the devil. But who was God Himself in the flesh. Simultaneously mortal and divine, just as many Christians consider the chosen people.

    OK, I get on these endless rants, so pardon me. I'll try to wrap this up.


    The god of judaism is a vengeful god, totally unlike the merciful and welcoming God of Christianity.
     
    it sort of seems to me like a kind of Stockholm Syndrome, like a battered wife who becomes psychologically dependent on her role. Her (Christian) identity is tied to victimhood, and so she pushes her abusive husband's buttons so as to unleash his wrath, and consummate the covenant.

    Christianity's exhortations to 'turn the other cheek', are like a masochistic invitation for abuse. Especially when the abuser's role is codified by scripture as well. The Jewish role in the relationship between Jew and Christian is as the aggressor, and the Christian as the long suffering and submissive victim. Always forgiving, always loving, especially as they're being wronged (murdered, pillaged, raped and enslaved), they are to love their enemies. 'Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do'.

    All this plays out in real-time right before our eyes. The Jews demanded WWII, and got it. The Jewish Bolsheviks murdered untold scores of millions of Christians in the most horrific way imaginable, often with slow and cruel starvation. Or burning (especially women and children) alive. Over a hundred million Christians died, often as I mentioned, horrifically during and after that Jewish imposed war.

    And how do the Christians of the world now treat that event? With groveling submission to 'the Jews', that's how. They can't apologize enough. They fall all over themselves in servile and abject abasement. How sorry they all are! 'We're soooo sorry for what 'we've' done! They gush.

    'How about we send our young to go slaughter some other innocent people (who don't matter to God) so that you can steal their land? 'That's how sorry we all are'!

    We're willing to sacrifice untold thousands of their (actually other people's) young so that the chosen can continue to ravage the holy land in God's name.

    nausea kicking in again..

    sorry for ranting so much

    Apologies for the accusation…I sent this post to another site as a rebuttal to a jewish sympathizer. My bad. You make very good points about the melding of judaism to Christianity. Best regards,

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  • @Paul C.
    Hi Rurik,

    I had a busy week.

    Jews define “it” as the systematic extermination and genocide of Jews, largely by gassing, during WW2.

    But yet they cannot prove gas chambers and the mass graves they claim exist. Worse, they’ve shut down free speech on the subject in Europe, where it’s a jailable offense, which suggests they’ve been caught in a lie.

    Could it be that the Holocaust narrative is to distract humanity from Jewish complicity in WW2? Churchill and Roosevelt were crypto-jews. All three of them (Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt) were Freemasons. Freemasonry rewards gentiles with positions of power and wealth, which is how “the system” works, resulting in pure evil.

    Since Judaism controls Freemasonry, it appears WW2 was orchestrated by, pick a word: Jews, Elites, Illuminati, Bankers, Talmudic Satanists, The Powers That Be. If the world realizes this, their control may (should) be cut off. But as Henry Makow states, “the world is controlled by a Jewish satanic cult”.
    https://www.henrymakow.com

    With the Holocaust narrative, they can redirect who was evil and who were the victims. You’ve done a great job of highlighting the atrocity of Dresden.

    Germany was not happy upon learning during the Treaty of Versailles days that Jews had engineered the Balfour Declaration, bringing the US into WW1 and tipping the balance. Many Amercians, Germans and English died as a result of the Balfour Declaration which occurred close to when England was ceding the war in 1916. Why is this not taught?

    Judea declared war on Germany in 1933. Jews & Zionists funded both sides of WW2 including Hitler (Rothschild, along with zionist owned American banks). The Transfer Agreement was a Jewish plan to force German Jews into Palestine to create Israel after the war.

    https://thedaysofnoah.wordpress.com/2011/01/08/the-rothschild-1920-1944-the-secret-instigators-of-world-war-2/

    Were Jewish leaders responsible for the deaths of 50 million Christian Russians during the Bolshevik Revolution? It appears so.
    Did they also genocide Ukrainian’s? Did Turkish Jews genocide Armenians? There are claims.
    Who financed the Bolshevik revolution? American Jews such as Warburg.

    Why are we focusing on “The Holocaust”, which is unproven, and not discussing Jewish involvement in WW2, which cost the lives of 50M to 80M? Why is there never discussion that the leaders of WW2, same as today, are Freemasons. Freemasons are Satanists (Luciferians) whether they know it or not. They’re not Christians. Same goes for Zionists. Going a little off topic… There’s no such thing as a “Christian Zionist”. Anyone who claims to be one, is a Zionist only. They’re incompatible, polar opposites. Those that think otherwise have been duped, and will continue to read their doctored Scofield bible.

    Almost every world leader is a freemason. This is what scares me about Trump. He’s a Nationalist and patriot, which is great, and appears to genuinely want to help Americans. But he keeps talking about how bad Iran and North Korea are, suggesting war might be inevitable. This is right out of the Illuminati playbook. Iran hasn’t attacked anyone in over 300 years. America has attacked the 2 neighbors surrounding Iran, Afghanistan and Iraq, installing hundreds of military bases. So who’s really the problem and threat?

    In summary, until proven, we need to stop the massive brainwashing which is the Holocaust. Let’s start discussing Freemasonry and publicizing those aligned with it, those who control it and what their goals are. Think New World Order and One World Government (tyranny and slavery).

    They push their heliocentric globe (fake NASA), dinosaurs, gravity, fluoride, GMO, 5G, Central banks, Corporate US Government based on Admiralty law, Fake terror (Creation of West), False Flags, 9/11 lies, Chemtrail poisoning, vaccines, Agenda 21 “sustainable development” and lies about everything.

    I think I just depressed myself. :)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=merkel+masonic+hand+sign&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6mt7_1ovZAhXFk1kKHWvqCiMQsAQIKA&biw=1469&bih=908

    BTW, everyone should read: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, to understand how the enemy thinks.

    Hey Paul,

    Jews define “it” as the systematic extermination and genocide of Jews, largely by gassing, during WW2.

    Well, if that would be accepted as the definition of the Holocaust, then I’d say there’s a serious dearth of evidence. Especially when you consider that all the evidence for the gas chambers seems false, if not down-right lies. Which as we all know they were perfectly notorious for doing, with all the lies about soap and lampshades and shrunken heads and sadistic experiments, blah, blah, blah…

    But I very seriously doubt that if the gas chambers hoax were to be widely exposed, that they’d pack it all up and say, ‘sorry, we made that all up to justify the horrors visited upon the German people after the war was over. Oh yea, and also to extort untold billions of dollars from Germany and Switzerland and the ZUSA and everywhere else we could claim eternal victimhood.

    Rather I suspect that they’d just run with it, and say ‘yea, sure, there were really no gas chambers, but that doesn’t mean the Holohoax didn’t happen! Why it was terrible! they actually pulled babies from lories and tossed them onto fire pits with geysers of blood shooting up, when they weren’t impaling them on bayonets (oops, that was the lies about Germany in the first world war)

    So yea, they’re not about to give up on that cash cow, that gives them eternal victimhood as they murder Arab children for fun.

    Worse, they’ve shut down free speech on the subject in Europe, where it’s a jailable offense, which suggests they’ve been caught in a lie.

    I don’t have to tell you Paul, about the insidious and nefarious and infinite power of the Fed.

    Why are we focusing on “The Holocaust”, which is unproven, and not discussing Jewish involvement in WW2,

    because many people believe that exposing the lies about the Holocaust will help us all be freer from their mental and psychological chains of guilt they’ve forged for us all, with the complicity of our leaders.

    Also, one of the things about the Holocaust that rarely gets mentioned, is that the Polish (and Russian and other) authorities know there were no gas chambers, and that the six million number is a preposterous lie and blood libel against the German people. But they aren’t too keen about exposing those lies because they very much enjoy watching Germany suffer. If anyone thinks all the animosity between Germany and the Slavic nations is all water under the bridge by now, boy oh boy they could not be more wrong. The Poles and Russians see the Jews shamelessly exploiting the Shoah and rubbing Germany’s face in it for perpetuity, and maybe they secretly wish it was their relatives whose deaths were eternally consecrated as the worst crime against humanity that ever happened, but since they don’t posses the Jews PR machine, they’re at least happy to see someone rub Germany’s face in it, so long as Germany is made to suffer for all eternity.

    It wasn’t just the invasion of their country by Germany and the consequent horrors of the war, but it’s also the envy that goes along with having Germany as a neighbor. The German people are a great people, with a proud heritage, whose genius and accomplishments are unparalleled by her neighbors to the East, and so there’s some envy there, and a running theme of mine is that there is no hatred on this earth than the hatred of the envious for those whom they envy.

    So keeping the Holocaust narrative alive is very much a Russian and Polish agenda, so long as it’s always considered an uniquely German crime. It’s rather hilarious today to see Poland passing laws against calling any part of the Holocaust a ‘Polish crime’ as well. When we all know that Jews were summarily executed once the Nazis liberated Polish and other people’s lands, at la Katyn, when the Polish people exacted vengeance against the Jewish Kommissars who’d been slaughtering their relatives.

    Perhaps if Poland got a nice taste of what Germany’s being subjected to for generations, they might be a little more sympathetic to Germany. But I wouldn’t hold my breath.

    Too long already, going to stop for now.

    PS, I agree with you about The Protocols

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    LOL (first part). I didn't know that about Poland and Germany. Thanks.
    , @anarchyst
    The "holohoax" is no different than what American liberals do when they uncover a "racism" hoax. They still declare, that, although the "hoax" was faked and exposed, it is still "a learning experience". Happens all the time...
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  • @Paul C.
    Hi Rurik,

    I had a busy week.

    Jews define “it” as the systematic extermination and genocide of Jews, largely by gassing, during WW2.

    But yet they cannot prove gas chambers and the mass graves they claim exist. Worse, they’ve shut down free speech on the subject in Europe, where it’s a jailable offense, which suggests they’ve been caught in a lie.

    Could it be that the Holocaust narrative is to distract humanity from Jewish complicity in WW2? Churchill and Roosevelt were crypto-jews. All three of them (Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt) were Freemasons. Freemasonry rewards gentiles with positions of power and wealth, which is how “the system” works, resulting in pure evil.

    Since Judaism controls Freemasonry, it appears WW2 was orchestrated by, pick a word: Jews, Elites, Illuminati, Bankers, Talmudic Satanists, The Powers That Be. If the world realizes this, their control may (should) be cut off. But as Henry Makow states, “the world is controlled by a Jewish satanic cult”.
    https://www.henrymakow.com

    With the Holocaust narrative, they can redirect who was evil and who were the victims. You’ve done a great job of highlighting the atrocity of Dresden.

    Germany was not happy upon learning during the Treaty of Versailles days that Jews had engineered the Balfour Declaration, bringing the US into WW1 and tipping the balance. Many Amercians, Germans and English died as a result of the Balfour Declaration which occurred close to when England was ceding the war in 1916. Why is this not taught?

    Judea declared war on Germany in 1933. Jews & Zionists funded both sides of WW2 including Hitler (Rothschild, along with zionist owned American banks). The Transfer Agreement was a Jewish plan to force German Jews into Palestine to create Israel after the war.

    https://thedaysofnoah.wordpress.com/2011/01/08/the-rothschild-1920-1944-the-secret-instigators-of-world-war-2/

    Were Jewish leaders responsible for the deaths of 50 million Christian Russians during the Bolshevik Revolution? It appears so.
    Did they also genocide Ukrainian’s? Did Turkish Jews genocide Armenians? There are claims.
    Who financed the Bolshevik revolution? American Jews such as Warburg.

    Why are we focusing on “The Holocaust”, which is unproven, and not discussing Jewish involvement in WW2, which cost the lives of 50M to 80M? Why is there never discussion that the leaders of WW2, same as today, are Freemasons. Freemasons are Satanists (Luciferians) whether they know it or not. They’re not Christians. Same goes for Zionists. Going a little off topic… There’s no such thing as a “Christian Zionist”. Anyone who claims to be one, is a Zionist only. They’re incompatible, polar opposites. Those that think otherwise have been duped, and will continue to read their doctored Scofield bible.

    Almost every world leader is a freemason. This is what scares me about Trump. He’s a Nationalist and patriot, which is great, and appears to genuinely want to help Americans. But he keeps talking about how bad Iran and North Korea are, suggesting war might be inevitable. This is right out of the Illuminati playbook. Iran hasn’t attacked anyone in over 300 years. America has attacked the 2 neighbors surrounding Iran, Afghanistan and Iraq, installing hundreds of military bases. So who’s really the problem and threat?

    In summary, until proven, we need to stop the massive brainwashing which is the Holocaust. Let’s start discussing Freemasonry and publicizing those aligned with it, those who control it and what their goals are. Think New World Order and One World Government (tyranny and slavery).

    They push their heliocentric globe (fake NASA), dinosaurs, gravity, fluoride, GMO, 5G, Central banks, Corporate US Government based on Admiralty law, Fake terror (Creation of West), False Flags, 9/11 lies, Chemtrail poisoning, vaccines, Agenda 21 “sustainable development” and lies about everything.

    I think I just depressed myself. :)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=merkel+masonic+hand+sign&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6mt7_1ovZAhXFk1kKHWvqCiMQsAQIKA&biw=1469&bih=908

    BTW, everyone should read: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, to understand how the enemy thinks.

    Hey Paul,

    Jews define “it” as the systematic extermination and genocide of Jews, largely by gassing, during WW2.

    Well, if that would be accepted as the definition of the Holocaust, then I’d say there’s a serious dearth of evidence. Especially when you consider that all the evidence for the gas chambers seems false, if not down-right lies. Which as we all know they were perfectly notorious for doing, with all the lies about soap and lampshades and shrunken heads and sadistic experiments, blah, blah, blah…

    But I very seriously doubt that if the gas chambers hoax were to be widely exposed, that they’d pack it all up and say, ‘sorry, we made that all up to justify the horrors visited upon the German people after the war was over. Oh yea, and also to extort untold billions of dollars from Germany and Switzerland and the ZUSA and everywhere else we could claim eternal victimhood.

    Rather I suspect that they’d just run with it, and say ‘yea, sure, there were really no gas chambers, but that doesn’t mean the Holohoax didn’t happen! Why it was terrible! they actually pulled babies from lories and tossed them onto fire pits with geysers of blood shooting up, when they weren’t impaling them on bayonets (oops, that was the lies about Germany in the first world war)

    So yea, their not about to give up on that cash cow, that gives them eternal victimhood as they murder Arab children for fun.

    Worse, they’ve shut down free speech on the subject in Europe, where it’s a jailable offense, which suggests they’ve been caught in a lie.

    I don’t have to tell you Paul, about the insidious and nefarious and infinite power of the Fed.

    Why are we focusing on “The Holocaust”, which is unproven, and not discussing Jewish involvement in WW2,

    because many people believe that exposing the lies about the Holocaust will help us all be freer from their mental and psychological chains of guilt they’ve forged for us all, with the complicity of our leaders.

    Also, one of the things about the Holocaust that rarely gets mentioned, is that the Polish (and Russian and other) authorities know there were no gas chambers, and that the six million number is a preposterous lie and blood libel against the German people. But they aren’t too keen about exposing those lies because they very much enjoy watching Germany suffer. If anyone thinks all the animosity between Germany and the Slavic nations is all water under the bridge by now, boy oh boy they could not be more wrong. The Poles and Russians see the Jews shamelessly exploiting the Shoah and rubbing Germany’s face in it for perpetuity, and maybe they secretly wish it was their relatives whose deaths were eternally consecrated as the worst crime against humanity that ever happened, but since they don’t posses the Jews PR machine, they’re at least happy to see someone rub Germany’s face in it, so long as Germany is made to suffer for all eternity.

    It wasn’t just the invasion of their country by Germany and the consequent horrors of the war, but it’s also the envy that goes along with having Germany as a neighbor. The German people are a great people, with a proud heritage, whose genius and accomplishments are unparalleled by her neighbors to the East, and so there’s some envy there, and a running theme of mine is that there is no hatred on this earth than the hatred of the envious for those whom they envy.

    So keeping the Holocaust narrative alive is very much a Russian and Polish agenda, so long as it’s always considered an uniquely German crime. It’s rather hilarious today to see Poland passing laws against calling any part of the Holocaust a ‘Polish crime’ as well. When we all know that Jews were summarily executed once the Nazis liberated Polish and other people’s lands, at la Katyn, when the Polish people exacted vengeance against the Jewish Kommissars who’d been slaughtering their relatives.

    Perhaps if Poland got a nice taste of what Germany’s being subjected to for generations, they might be a little more sympathetic to Germany. But I wouldn’t hold my breath.

    Too long already, going to stop for now.

    PS, I agree with you about The Protocols

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  • @jilles dykstra
    " 5. Subsequently, through the ‘hidden hand’ and spearheaded by the prime ‘media’ outlets in the ‘free’ world, the other major groups murdered by the WWII National Socialist regime were dropped from the descriptions of the mass murders/assassination narratives, until it became only about ‘the jews’, and subsequently ,during my lifetime, the entire WWII became about ‘the jews’. "

    Which other groups are asserted to have been murdered by Germans ?
    Who ever realises that some ten million Germans lost their lives in WWII ?
    Who knows that Poles and Lithuanians murdered their jews ?
    Who knows the jewish declaration of war on Hitler Germany in 1933 ?

    Poles : Jan T. Gross, ‘Neighbours, The Destruction of the Jewish Community in Jedwabne, Poland, 1941’, 2003, London
    Lithuanians, with pictures: Christopher R. Browning, ‘Ordinary Men, Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland’, 1992, 2001, London
    and, no pictures: Dan Jacobson, ‘Heshels Rijk Familiekroniek’, Amsterdam 1998

    Gross is not a historian. He’s a sociologist/fantasist.

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  • @anarchyst
    Thank you for your insight. You make many good points...
    However, I must disagree with you on your assertion that the "land of Israel" was promised to the jews by God.
    Tying Judaism to Christianity was a clever trick used by the jews to "cement" their claim to the "land of Israel" and of the covenant, to which I reply, "God is not a real estate agent".
    Jews abandoned the covenant when they murdered Jesus Christ. Their covenant with God was then "null and void".
    It is the flawed Schofield translation of the Bible that elevated jews to the status of Christianity's "elder brothers", which was then reinforced by the Catholic (flawed) "Vatican II Ecumenical Council" in the 1960s.
    I cringe when I hear well-meaning people talk about out judeo-Christian heritage.
    Nothing could be further from the truth.
    The only common thread between Christianity and judaism is the Ten Commandments--nothing more.
    The god of judaism is a vengeful god, totally unlike the merciful and welcoming God of Christianity.
    Christianity welcomes ALL, regardless of nationality or social status--not true of judaism.
    Judaism is an insular belief system that shuns outsiders, prohibits proselytization, and promotes a form of supremacy, relegating all gentiles (non-jews) to the status of livestock--subhumans with souls, only to be used for the advancement and benefit of jews.
    Jews DID murder Jesus Christ. Sad to say, even the present-day (post-Vatican II eumenical council) Catholic church has bought into absolving the jews for Jesus Christ's murder. As always is the case, the jews got others, the Romans to do their dirty work for them--the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. How can Christians have the same values as the Jews; the very people who denounced and betrayed the founder of Christianity, Jesus Christ, and call for his execution (by others, of course, that is the Jewish way). It makes absolutely no sense at all. Jews have no respect, unlike Muslims for Jesus Christ or Mary, his mother, who are both honored as Prophets in Islam, but instead, Jews spit on hearing their names and do the same while passing a Christian of any kind or a Christian Church in Israel. They have no respect for Christians or any other religion.
    It is time the Jewish lobbies and the American Government leaders as well as the evangelical Christian leaders who mislead the poor American young into joining the military and believing that they are doing something for God and Christianity by fighting Israel’s wars were named, shamed and arrested and tried for treason.

    Regards,

    However, I must disagree with you on your assertion that the “land of Israel” was promised to the jews by God.

    well Anarchyst, if I said that, it was surely to mock such idiocy.

    the only people who believe that are Zionists, most of whom are ‘Christians’

    Tying Judaism to Christianity was a clever trick used by the jews

    but was not the Bible written by Jews? Was not the Christ Himself a Jew? Born to a Jewish mother, and impregnated by the Jewish God? (obviously, there was no Christian God at the moment before conception)

    So it seems to me that Christianity, while based on the more humane New Testament, is still an offshoot of the Jewish-written Bible, with a Jewish God, (a rabbi) as its savior.

    I’ll share this with you anarchyst, it was one of my more dire epiphanies in life..

    I remember the moment when I discovered that (some) Jews actually do believe themselves to be chosen (the only people with souls) who God created creation for, and put all us goyim here to serve as their slaves and lick their feet, so they could live off the fat of the land, blah, blah, blah…

    it is written

    And I remember being struck by that revelation. Utterly gobsmacked.

    Sure, such things are understandably part of a millenniums old, stone age ignorance, when superstitious humankind was fumbling for answers from the heavens, and as humans are naturally ethnocentric, and thus might be given to a certain self-aggrandizing view of himself, I could cope with what people believed thousands of years ago. But to imagine that there were humans among us today, that actually believed such hysterical, prima facie balderdash, was a huge wakeup call.

    Wow! Holy *@#$! These people really, actually believe that &%$*!

    Well sir, the next phase of my lost innocence was when I was talking to a Christian, and he was married to a Jewish woman, and he was casually explaining to me that while he and his wife didn’t always see eye to eye, the thing that kept him in line was the knowledge that God loved Jews best of all, and so he had better watch his Ps & Qs, because after all, the Jews are chosen.

    And then I realized that not only did some Jews actually consider themselves divinely superior to the rest of us, but that there were actually Christians that agreed!

    I felt like vomiting on his face. Such was the violent nausea at the realization that a fellow human can actually be so gullible and capable of self-loathing, that they can believe that God created them as a dog-like second-class servant, vis-a-vis this other tribe of divinely superior people.

    This was a human, standing there on two legs, but psychologically and spiritually he was a dog, eager to accept his beta station, and lick the hand of his master, as his role.

    It is written.

    whew boy!

    so the relationship between Jew and Christian is complex and intertwined. Christians worship a Jew. A man who drank wine and was tempted by the devil. But who was God Himself in the flesh. Simultaneously mortal and divine, just as many Christians consider the chosen people.

    OK, I get on these endless rants, so pardon me. I’ll try to wrap this up.

    The god of judaism is a vengeful god, totally unlike the merciful and welcoming God of Christianity.

    it sort of seems to me like a kind of Stockholm Syndrome, like a battered wife who becomes psychologically dependent on her role. Her (Christian) identity is tied to victimhood, and so she pushes her abusive husband’s buttons so as to unleash his wrath, and consummate the covenant.

    Christianity’s exhortations to ‘turn the other cheek’, are like a masochistic invitation for abuse. Especially when the abuser’s role is codified by scripture as well. The Jewish role in the relationship between Jew and Christian is as the aggressor, and the Christian as the long suffering and submissive victim. Always forgiving, always loving, especially as they’re being wronged (murdered, pillaged, raped and enslaved), they are to love their enemies. ‘Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do’.

    All this plays out in real-time right before our eyes. The Jews demanded WWII, and got it. The Jewish Bolsheviks murdered untold scores of millions of Christians in the most horrific way imaginable, often with slow and cruel starvation. Or burning (especially women and children) alive. Over a hundred million Christians died, often as I mentioned, horrifically during and after that Jewish imposed war.

    And how do the Christians of the world now treat that event? With groveling submission to ‘the Jews’, that’s how. They can’t apologize enough. They fall all over themselves in servile and abject abasement. How sorry they all are! ‘We’re soooo sorry for what ‘we’ve’ done! They gush.

    ‘How about we send our young to go slaughter some other innocent people (who don’t matter to God) so that you can steal their land? ‘That’s how sorry we all are’!

    We’re willing to sacrifice untold thousands of their (actually other people’s) young so that the chosen can continue to ravage the holy land in God’s name.

    nausea kicking in again..

    sorry for ranting so much

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    Apologies for the accusation...I sent this post to another site as a rebuttal to a jewish sympathizer. My bad. You make very good points about the melding of judaism to Christianity. Best regards,
    , @Paul C.
    Hey Rurik,

    I'm not deep on Christianity, the Bible and Jesus but this is an area of research I've begun. I have a lot of respect for Texe Marrs and Ed Hendrie (Bloody Zion) whose books I've read. Texe makes the case here that Jesus was born in "the land of Gentiles" and his teachings are in direct opposition to Judaism, which I agree wholeheartedly. I would not be surprised if we've been lied to yet again by those controlling knowledge. If you have the time, I'd suggest listening to this podcast as I'd be curious of your opinion, which is always well thought out. I realize this is a significant homework assignment since it's approx 60 minutes. No worries if you don't have the time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJIj1MiSSYY
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  • @mcohen
    Being a jew i have been taught about the holocaust from an early age.Family members have been to yad vashem and auschwitz and i myself have met 3 holocaust survivors with numbers tattooed on there skin.The numbers do not matter really,whether it be 100 million people or only 1 person to me personally because i only needed to see the 3 numbers on those 3 people to know the truth.However what i do find interesting is the fact that 99% of so called "holocaust deniers" are in fact doing so to remind readers that the holocaust did occur and to do legitimate research for themselves.By creating doubt it encourages readers to dig deeper and it is then that the truth is revealed of what a terrible crime against humanity the holocaust was.Let us hope that if anything the holocaust will bring attention to all the crimes of humanity that have occured since the second world war.

    I would be interested to know why a person would be required to be tattooed prior to being murdered and burned or buried? I can understand why a tattoo might be used to keep track of an enslaved living person or persons, horrible as that is, but that would contradict you claims. Kindly give it a go…

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    I have always understood that those who wete judged capable of some useful work were not killed immediately and, accordingly, the tattooing of a unique number for identification and tracking would be a logical measure to take. No?
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  • @anarchyst
    Thank you for your insight. You make many good points...
    However, I must disagree with you on your assertion that the "land of Israel" was promised to the jews by God.
    Tying Judaism to Christianity was a clever trick used by the jews to "cement" their claim to the "land of Israel" and of the covenant, to which I reply, "God is not a real estate agent".
    Jews abandoned the covenant when they murdered Jesus Christ. Their covenant with God was then "null and void".
    It is the flawed Schofield translation of the Bible that elevated jews to the status of Christianity's "elder brothers", which was then reinforced by the Catholic (flawed) "Vatican II Ecumenical Council" in the 1960s.
    I cringe when I hear well-meaning people talk about out judeo-Christian heritage.
    Nothing could be further from the truth.
    The only common thread between Christianity and judaism is the Ten Commandments--nothing more.
    The god of judaism is a vengeful god, totally unlike the merciful and welcoming God of Christianity.
    Christianity welcomes ALL, regardless of nationality or social status--not true of judaism.
    Judaism is an insular belief system that shuns outsiders, prohibits proselytization, and promotes a form of supremacy, relegating all gentiles (non-jews) to the status of livestock--subhumans with souls, only to be used for the advancement and benefit of jews.
    Jews DID murder Jesus Christ. Sad to say, even the present-day (post-Vatican II eumenical council) Catholic church has bought into absolving the jews for Jesus Christ's murder. As always is the case, the jews got others, the Romans to do their dirty work for them--the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. How can Christians have the same values as the Jews; the very people who denounced and betrayed the founder of Christianity, Jesus Christ, and call for his execution (by others, of course, that is the Jewish way). It makes absolutely no sense at all. Jews have no respect, unlike Muslims for Jesus Christ or Mary, his mother, who are both honored as Prophets in Islam, but instead, Jews spit on hearing their names and do the same while passing a Christian of any kind or a Christian Church in Israel. They have no respect for Christians or any other religion.
    It is time the Jewish lobbies and the American Government leaders as well as the evangelical Christian leaders who mislead the poor American young into joining the military and believing that they are doing something for God and Christianity by fighting Israel’s wars were named, shamed and arrested and tried for treason.

    Regards,

    Well said!

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  • @mcohen
    Being a jew i have been taught about the holocaust from an early age.Family members have been to yad vashem and auschwitz and i myself have met 3 holocaust survivors with numbers tattooed on there skin.The numbers do not matter really,whether it be 100 million people or only 1 person to me personally because i only needed to see the 3 numbers on those 3 people to know the truth.However what i do find interesting is the fact that 99% of so called "holocaust deniers" are in fact doing so to remind readers that the holocaust did occur and to do legitimate research for themselves.By creating doubt it encourages readers to dig deeper and it is then that the truth is revealed of what a terrible crime against humanity the holocaust was.Let us hope that if anything the holocaust will bring attention to all the crimes of humanity that have occured since the second world war.

    A few questions…

    Did the 3 “survivors” confirm that there was mass genocide of Jews?
    If so, how did they escape?
    What proof can you cite that the gassing and mass genocide occurred?
    Do you feel that those researching the Holocaust and providing contrary evidence should not be allowed to and that this is a jailable offense?

    I look forward to your response and evidence.

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  • @Rurik
    Hello Paul,

    With the media and governments controlled by the same group, the truth is another casualty. I know you agree with this.
     
    in spades Paul!

    To Wally’s point, where is the proof of extermination...
     
    but to my point, I wholly admit, (that unless you're talking about lice, [or the German people themselves*]) there was no extermination or any intention for it. At least as far as the evidence I've seen.

    The fact that one goes to jail for providing contrary evidence to the “agreed narrative” tells us everything we need to know. They’re lying.
     
    yes, of course they are! Truth does not need gendarmes and bludgeons to 'prove' it's veracity. The second someone tells you; 'you will believe this or else', is the second you know they're full of shit.

    So the total 6M number (for the Holocaust) was reduced by 3M but yet still remained at 6M. Make sense? Of course not
     
    because the number is an obvious lie/exaggeration

    Virtually everything we’ve learned and are told by the media, and our history books, is a lie.
     
    I agree Paul.

    IF it happened,
     
    You capitalize the word 'IF' Paul, but I'd prefer to concentrate for the moment on the word 'it'.

    What is 'it'?

    If we can't define it, then how do we know what it is, or even if it happened?

    So, first off, in defining it, I would posit that the Holocaust, (with all the gloomy, solemn intonations notwithstanding) was an event much like The Trail of Tears, for instance. That did happen, but the details about which are often deliberately skewed for myriad reasons and effect.

    Imagine if our banks- and consequently our media and courts and universities and cultural institutions and federal government and so forth, were all owned and/or controlled by descendants of the Amerindians that suffered during the Trail of Tears. I suspect that were that the case, that then the 'it', ethnic cleansing of the Amerindian, including murders, would be very near the levels of hysteria that the Holocaust is today. There'd be museums galore and a movie/TV show every week. We'd be hearing about the survivors and paying reparations out our collective wazoo.

    But instead, it's Jews who own our banks, and therefor all the rest. And so it's the Holocaust we're all berated with 24/7, 365, decade after lugubrious decade.

    (perhaps that's not fair to the Amerindian, as they don't seem to be congenital whiners ; )

    Anyways, the point is that something happened, and that if it were no more murderous or villainous than the internment of Japanese Americans during the war (as Wally pointed out), then they're still entitled to give that event a name, no?

    I sometimes wonder if the Holocaust wasn't more to do about what had been lost to the Jews of Germany, than anything that might have happened to them. During the Weimar regime, the Jews who flooded into Germany after the punishing cruelty of the Versailles Treaty, had turned Germany into their private playground, with German children as their amusements, and the German nation as their toy. If you think the outrages against decency being exposed in Hollywood, with rampant pedophilia and sexual depravity on the powerless is bad, then you have no idea what it was like for the Germans of Weimar. The poor Jews lost all that when the Nazis came to power, and just that loss must have stung painfully. If they wanted to call that removal from all the significant positions of power- that the Nazis surely did to them.. the Holocaust, then why not let them?

    So I feel like it's imperative that the word 'Holocaust' have a definition, if we're going to be able to debate its historical veracity.

    Does it mean - that "six million died in a deliberate 'final solution' to gas and otherwise genocide every last Jew from the earth, including sadistic experiments and lampshades made from skin and soap made from fat...."

    if so, then I absolutely would say that 'it' never happened. And that it's all basically a lie, and a fraud and a hoax.

    but...

    if it, meaning the Holocaust, can mean that millions of Jews were persecuted, and even thousands (or more) were murdered, and that when the Nazis came into Poland, that the Polish people immediately rounded up the Bolshevik Jews who had been murdering their relatives, and killed them on the spot. As no doubt happened in Hungary and elsewhere where the Jewish Cheka/NKVD were cruelly oppressing and menacing the people.

    Can the Holocaust mean less than the holy "six million"? If only five million died, would they still be able to call it the Holocaust?

    I've never seen that question answered by either side.

    I've had my coffee, and could write more, but I'm going to leave it at that.

    If only five million, or five thousand died, but it included the removal of Jews from absolute domination of Germany by the Nazis, and included laws that singled out Jews for restrictions on their behavior, and included the expulsion or otherwise migration of Jews to Palestine and elsewhere, should the Jews of today be allowed to call that 'catastrophe' to their happiness at the time; the Holocaust??

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    * Morgenthau Plan

    Hi Rurik,

    I had a busy week.

    Jews define “it” as the systematic extermination and genocide of Jews, largely by gassing, during WW2.

    But yet they cannot prove gas chambers and the mass graves they claim exist. Worse, they’ve shut down free speech on the subject in Europe, where it’s a jailable offense, which suggests they’ve been caught in a lie.

    Could it be that the Holocaust narrative is to distract humanity from Jewish complicity in WW2? Churchill and Roosevelt were crypto-jews. All three of them (Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt) were Freemasons. Freemasonry rewards gentiles with positions of power and wealth, which is how “the system” works, resulting in pure evil.

    Since Judaism controls Freemasonry, it appears WW2 was orchestrated by, pick a word: Jews, Elites, Illuminati, Bankers, Talmudic Satanists, The Powers That Be. If the world realizes this, their control may (should) be cut off. But as Henry Makow states, “the world is controlled by a Jewish satanic cult”.

    https://www.henrymakow.com

    With the Holocaust narrative, they can redirect who was evil and who were the victims. You’ve done a great job of highlighting the atrocity of Dresden.

    Germany was not happy upon learning during the Treaty of Versailles days that Jews had engineered the Balfour Declaration, bringing the US into WW1 and tipping the balance. Many Amercians, Germans and English died as a result of the Balfour Declaration which occurred close to when England was ceding the war in 1916. Why is this not taught?

    Judea declared war on Germany in 1933. Jews & Zionists funded both sides of WW2 including Hitler (Rothschild, along with zionist owned American banks). The Transfer Agreement was a Jewish plan to force German Jews into Palestine to create Israel after the war.

    https://thedaysofnoah.wordpress.com/2011/01/08/the-rothschild-1920-1944-the-secret-instigators-of-world-war-2/

    Were Jewish leaders responsible for the deaths of 50 million Christian Russians during the Bolshevik Revolution? It appears so.
    Did they also genocide Ukrainian’s? Did Turkish Jews genocide Armenians? There are claims.
    Who financed the Bolshevik revolution? American Jews such as Warburg.

    Why are we focusing on “The Holocaust”, which is unproven, and not discussing Jewish involvement in WW2, which cost the lives of 50M to 80M? Why is there never discussion that the leaders of WW2, same as today, are Freemasons. Freemasons are Satanists (Luciferians) whether they know it or not. They’re not Christians. Same goes for Zionists. Going a little off topic… There’s no such thing as a “Christian Zionist”. Anyone who claims to be one, is a Zionist only. They’re incompatible, polar opposites. Those that think otherwise have been duped, and will continue to read their doctored Scofield bible.

    Almost every world leader is a freemason. This is what scares me about Trump. He’s a Nationalist and patriot, which is great, and appears to genuinely want to help Americans. But he keeps talking about how bad Iran and North Korea are, suggesting war might be inevitable. This is right out of the Illuminati playbook. Iran hasn’t attacked anyone in over 300 years. America has attacked the 2 neighbors surrounding Iran, Afghanistan and Iraq, installing hundreds of military bases. So who’s really the problem and threat?

    In summary, until proven, we need to stop the massive brainwashing which is the Holocaust. Let’s start discussing Freemasonry and publicizing those aligned with it, those who control it and what their goals are. Think New World Order and One World Government (tyranny and slavery).

    They push their heliocentric globe (fake NASA), dinosaurs, gravity, fluoride, GMO, 5G, Central banks, Corporate US Government based on Admiralty law, Fake terror (Creation of West), False Flags, 9/11 lies, Chemtrail poisoning, vaccines, Agenda 21 “sustainable development” and lies about everything.

    I think I just depressed myself. :)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=merkel+masonic+hand+sign&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6mt7_1ovZAhXFk1kKHWvqCiMQsAQIKA&biw=1469&bih=908

    BTW, everyone should read: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, to understand how the enemy thinks.

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    Hey Paul,

    Jews define “it” as the systematic extermination and genocide of Jews, largely by gassing, during WW2.
     
    Well, if that would be accepted as the definition of the Holocaust, then I'd say there's a serious dearth of evidence. Especially when you consider that all the evidence for the gas chambers seems false, if not down-right lies. Which as we all know they were perfectly notorious for doing, with all the lies about soap and lampshades and shrunken heads and sadistic experiments, blah, blah, blah...

    But I very seriously doubt that if the gas chambers hoax were to be widely exposed, that they'd pack it all up and say, 'sorry, we made that all up to justify the horrors visited upon the German people after the war was over. Oh yea, and also to extort untold billions of dollars from Germany and Switzerland and the ZUSA and everywhere else we could claim eternal victimhood.

    Rather I suspect that they'd just run with it, and say 'yea, sure, there were really no gas chambers, but that doesn't mean the Holohoax didn't happen! Why it was terrible! they actually pulled babies from lories and tossed them onto fire pits with geysers of blood shooting up, when they weren't impaling them on bayonets (oops, that was the lies about Germany in the first world war)

    So yea, their not about to give up on that cash cow, that gives them eternal victimhood as they murder Arab children for fun.


    Worse, they’ve shut down free speech on the subject in Europe, where it’s a jailable offense, which suggests they’ve been caught in a lie.
     
    I don't have to tell you Paul, about the insidious and nefarious and infinite power of the Fed.

    Why are we focusing on “The Holocaust”, which is unproven, and not discussing Jewish involvement in WW2,
     
    because many people believe that exposing the lies about the Holocaust will help us all be freer from their mental and psychological chains of guilt they've forged for us all, with the complicity of our leaders.

    Also, one of the things about the Holocaust that rarely gets mentioned, is that the Polish (and Russian and other) authorities know there were no gas chambers, and that the six million number is a preposterous lie and blood libel against the German people. But they aren't too keen about exposing those lies because they very much enjoy watching Germany suffer. If anyone thinks all the animosity between Germany and the Slavic nations is all water under the bridge by now, boy oh boy they could not be more wrong. The Poles and Russians see the Jews shamelessly exploiting the Shoah and rubbing Germany's face in it for perpetuity, and maybe they secretly wish it was their relatives whose deaths were eternally consecrated as the worst crime against humanity that ever happened, but since they don't posses the Jews PR machine, they're at least happy to see someone rub Germany's face in it, so long as Germany is made to suffer for all eternity.

    It wasn't just the invasion of their country by Germany and the consequent horrors of the war, but it's also the envy that goes along with having Germany as a neighbor. The German people are a great people, with a proud heritage, whose genius and accomplishments are unparalleled by her neighbors to the East, and so there's some envy there, and a running theme of mine is that there is no hatred on this earth than the hatred of the envious for those whom they envy.

    So keeping the Holocaust narrative alive is very much a Russian and Polish agenda, so long as it's always considered an uniquely German crime. It's rather hilarious today to see Poland passing laws against calling any part of the Holocaust a 'Polish crime' as well. When we all know that Jews were summarily executed once the Nazis liberated Polish and other people's lands, at la Katyn, when the Polish people exacted vengeance against the Jewish Kommissars who'd been slaughtering their relatives.

    Perhaps if Poland got a nice taste of what Germany's being subjected to for generations, they might be a little more sympathetic to Germany. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

    Too long already, going to stop for now.

    PS, I agree with you about The Protocols

    , @Rurik
    Hey Paul,


    Jews define “it” as the systematic extermination and genocide of Jews, largely by gassing, during WW2.
     
    Well, if that would be accepted as the definition of the Holocaust, then I’d say there’s a serious dearth of evidence. Especially when you consider that all the evidence for the gas chambers seems false, if not down-right lies. Which as we all know they were perfectly notorious for doing, with all the lies about soap and lampshades and shrunken heads and sadistic experiments, blah, blah, blah…

    But I very seriously doubt that if the gas chambers hoax were to be widely exposed, that they’d pack it all up and say, ‘sorry, we made that all up to justify the horrors visited upon the German people after the war was over. Oh yea, and also to extort untold billions of dollars from Germany and Switzerland and the ZUSA and everywhere else we could claim eternal victimhood.

    Rather I suspect that they’d just run with it, and say ‘yea, sure, there were really no gas chambers, but that doesn’t mean the Holohoax didn’t happen! Why it was terrible! they actually pulled babies from lories and tossed them onto fire pits with geysers of blood shooting up, when they weren’t impaling them on bayonets (oops, that was the lies about Germany in the first world war)

    So yea, they're not about to give up on that cash cow, that gives them eternal victimhood as they murder Arab children for fun.

    Worse, they’ve shut down free speech on the subject in Europe, where it’s a jailable offense, which suggests they’ve been caught in a lie.
     
    I don’t have to tell you Paul, about the insidious and nefarious and infinite power of the Fed.

    Why are we focusing on “The Holocaust”, which is unproven, and not discussing Jewish involvement in WW2,
     
    because many people believe that exposing the lies about the Holocaust will help us all be freer from their mental and psychological chains of guilt they’ve forged for us all, with the complicity of our leaders.

    Also, one of the things about the Holocaust that rarely gets mentioned, is that the Polish (and Russian and other) authorities know there were no gas chambers, and that the six million number is a preposterous lie and blood libel against the German people. But they aren’t too keen about exposing those lies because they very much enjoy watching Germany suffer. If anyone thinks all the animosity between Germany and the Slavic nations is all water under the bridge by now, boy oh boy they could not be more wrong. The Poles and Russians see the Jews shamelessly exploiting the Shoah and rubbing Germany’s face in it for perpetuity, and maybe they secretly wish it was their relatives whose deaths were eternally consecrated as the worst crime against humanity that ever happened, but since they don’t posses the Jews PR machine, they’re at least happy to see someone rub Germany’s face in it, so long as Germany is made to suffer for all eternity.

    It wasn’t just the invasion of their country by Germany and the consequent horrors of the war, but it’s also the envy that goes along with having Germany as a neighbor. The German people are a great people, with a proud heritage, whose genius and accomplishments are unparalleled by her neighbors to the East, and so there’s some envy there, and a running theme of mine is that there is no hatred on this earth than the hatred of the envious for those whom they envy.

    So keeping the Holocaust narrative alive is very much a Russian and Polish agenda, so long as it’s always considered an uniquely German crime. It’s rather hilarious today to see Poland passing laws against calling any part of the Holocaust a ‘Polish crime’ as well. When we all know that Jews were summarily executed once the Nazis liberated Polish and other people’s lands, at la Katyn, when the Polish people exacted vengeance against the Jewish Kommissars who’d been slaughtering their relatives.

    Perhaps if Poland got a nice taste of what Germany’s being subjected to for generations, they might be a little more sympathetic to Germany. But I wouldn’t hold my breath.

    Too long already, going to stop for now.

    PS, I agree with you about The Protocols
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  • @mcohen
    Being a jew i have been taught about the holocaust from an early age.Family members have been to yad vashem and auschwitz and i myself have met 3 holocaust survivors with numbers tattooed on there skin.The numbers do not matter really,whether it be 100 million people or only 1 person to me personally because i only needed to see the 3 numbers on those 3 people to know the truth.However what i do find interesting is the fact that 99% of so called "holocaust deniers" are in fact doing so to remind readers that the holocaust did occur and to do legitimate research for themselves.By creating doubt it encourages readers to dig deeper and it is then that the truth is revealed of what a terrible crime against humanity the holocaust was.Let us hope that if anything the holocaust will bring attention to all the crimes of humanity that have occured since the second world war.

    It certainly encouraged me to dig deeper… and now I’m of the opinion that the attempted genocide of the Jews is a total fabrication and that Auschwitz was a genuine labour camp in which the primary goal was useful economic output.

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  • @Rurik
    Hello anarchyst !

    hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD THEY KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would they build “camps”
     
    Well, according to the narrative..

    The idea of records was because they assumed they'd win, and therefor wanted nice records to keep everything in order. (They were Germans after all ; )

    And the argument for the camps was for an orderly genocide, not with machetes like they do in Africa, but with camps built for the purpose, like the Brits did in S. Africa. Round them up, put them to work on the war effort, and then kill them off by attrition or with more stringent methods as the exigencies presented themselves.

    Not that I think the camps were built for extermination, but we all know from history that the Brits did invent concentration camps to genocide the Boer's families, so ((they)) could steal the resources, (gold and diamonds) from the hardy Dutch who built that nation.


    It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the German government in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans.
     
    Yes, the Zionists and the Nazis' agendas did dovetail nicely, a little too nicely, I agree. Just as I believe the people most enamored over the terrorist attacks in Europe are the Zionists, who'd like to see the Jews leave France and move to Palestine. If it means some of them have to be slaughtered towards that end, well then when making an omelet, and all that..

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted.
     
    So very true. But it's far more Orwellian - than the imposed orthodoxy to most religions; where you're usually free from jail time for having doubts. Not that there aren't certain parallels. Consider.. where did the Christian religion emanate from if not from the Jews? Who wrote the Bible? From whose womb did the Christ Himself issue from?

    The very idea that you must believe in a narrative, (the Biblical narrative, just as the Holocaust narrative) or else, is a fundamentally Jewish contribution to the West.

    Our ancient pagan Gods were never that jealous, as the Jewish God of Jehovah or even Jesus, who demands fealty to Himself, (and no other) at the pain of burning for eternity for the folly of doubt.

    So depending on how you look at it, Holocaustianity was preceded by Christianity. Both of which demand fealty to their dogmas, or else. At least if you only doubt some holy tenet of Holocaustianity, your punishment will be temporary and corporal, whereas if you question the divinity of the Jewish carpenter, then your very soul is damned for all eternity.

    So the Jews have been imposing upon us their rigid version of a belief system for over a thousand years now. I remember reading a book on Benjamin Disraeli, the ninetieth century Jewish prime minister of England, and how pleased he was that so many Brits were Christians, because it meant they worshiped a fellow Jew as their God.

    It's been written that when Queen Victoria asked prime minister Disraeli, “Mr. Prime Minister, what evidence can you give me of the existence of God?” After thinking for a moment, Disraeli replied, “The Jew, your majesty.”

    Indeed. And what is the punishment for doubting or putting some other God before the Jewish God, who came to us in the flesh, (the seed of Abraham)? Eternal damnation of your very soul. To burn for ever in the flames of Hades, suffering unimaginable torments for the evil and unforgivable temerity of doubting the divinity of the Jew, who gave you life, and created the universe.

    blah, blah, blah..

    So you see anarchist, for me it just doesn't seem that far of a stretch to demand that people believe in a particular narrative, once their minds and psyche's have been conditioned to do so. Or else.

    And no one has been so successful at forcing Europeans to kowtow to their God, than the Jews, who have foisted upon Europe a religion that has at its core, a sacred and holy Jew, who all must bow down to or else.


    The establishment of a “homeland” along with the 6,000,000 figure was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s.
     
    and whom has made that possible?

    Who were the people who descended upon Germany with such a terrible vengeance, dropping gasoline bombs on their sublime Baroque cities after the war was won, to burn their woman and children alive, in a holocaust of horrors we can't even comprehend, it's so demonically cruel?

    Who did that? If not Christians? And why were the American people so sanguine about unfurling God's terrible wrath upon these people who had forsaken the Lord? Because they have forsaken (the Jewish) God, Christ.

    I grew up in a Christian household, and my (saintly) parents were depression era protestants. But like everyone else at the time, during that war, they too were admonished ((by the newspapers and radio and newsreels at the movies)) that the Nazis were anti-Christ atheists, who had turned from God, and doing so, brought down the wrath of His flaming sword upon themselves, thought their willful apostasy. They had denied the Jewish carpenter (and raised their hands to His holy tribe) who had created them and given them salvation. If only they would accept Him as their God. And kneel before Him, they could have avoided the tribulations they brought down upon themselves.

    But it wasn't to be, and so just as the Bible forebodes, (which all good Christians must believe) those who turn against the Biblical Israel, will be cursed..


    Malachi 4:1
    “For behold, the day is coming, ..shall set them ablaze, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.
     

    Genesis 12:1-3
    Now the Lord said to Abram, “.. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
     

    Zechariah 14:12
    And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the peoples that wage war against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.
     
    if y0u know the Bible, then you know that Jerusalem here means 'Israel', which means the Jewish people.

    Matthew 24:9
    “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake.
     
    every Christian preacher and minister and reverend these days is always on about how "God" said 'I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you', blah, blah, blah

    and they're speaking of course about the Jewish people. So it was Christians, who believe this stuff, who were the ones so eager to bring God's vengeance with them to Nazi Germany- who had cursed 'Israel' (by raising their hand to the Jewish people) and by doing so, had invited the flames of wrath from God, who had warned them, if only they had read their Bibles!

    So you see for me, the West has been under the thrall of these people and their 'religions' for so long, even believing that one among them was God Himself!, that it just isn't such a leap for such believers to toe a different line when the ((PTB)) exhort them to.

    Yesterday it was blasphemy to use the name Jesus in vain, today it's blasphemy to question the holy gas chambers.

    Once you convince people that they're only allowed to think in certain ways, and believe in certain things... or else, then what you're dealing with are sheople, that you can programed, just like a computer. Garbage in, garbage out.

    If I wanted to stunt the mind and soul of my child, I would tell him that he better believe in this dogma, because if he doesn't then he's an evil child, and unworthy of love from anyone, and deserves the righteous hatred of God the benevolent Creator, because he willfully refused to have faith, and believe what it's demanded he believe, regardless of any and all evidence. Indeed, the more he's willing to believe, (in spite of all evidence to the contrary), the more he's a good person. And deserving of love and acceptance. Rather than a bad and evil person who deserves hatred and wrath and to burn in Hell for ever. For doubting what he's told is the correct and only good thing to believe, with all his heart and soul, or else!

    So now that I've properly raised him, and he believes and believes, with scrunched up eyes, and even tears, he loves big brother - er, I mean God, more than anything... then it's just not a difficult leap to tell him that now this is what you must believe, if you're a good person. that six million Jews were genocided in evil Nazi gas chambers, by the most evil man that ever defied God Himself ! And that we good people brought the vengeance of God down on those evil people, and that's what makes us good people. Blah, fucking blah, blah, blah...

    Anyways, this is getting wwaaayyyyyy too long, so I'm going to stop here for the time being and get some things done, (for God's sake! ; )

    Thank you for your insight. You make many good points…
    However, I must disagree with you on your assertion that the “land of Israel” was promised to the jews by God.
    Tying Judaism to Christianity was a clever trick used by the jews to “cement” their claim to the “land of Israel” and of the covenant, to which I reply, “God is not a real estate agent”.
    Jews abandoned the covenant when they murdered Jesus Christ. Their covenant with God was then “null and void”.
    It is the flawed Schofield translation of the Bible that elevated jews to the status of Christianity’s “elder brothers”, which was then reinforced by the Catholic (flawed) “Vatican II Ecumenical Council” in the 1960s.
    I cringe when I hear well-meaning people talk about out judeo-Christian heritage.
    Nothing could be further from the truth.
    The only common thread between Christianity and judaism is the Ten Commandments–nothing more.
    The god of judaism is a vengeful god, totally unlike the merciful and welcoming God of Christianity.
    Christianity welcomes ALL, regardless of nationality or social status–not true of judaism.
    Judaism is an insular belief system that shuns outsiders, prohibits proselytization, and promotes a form of supremacy, relegating all gentiles (non-jews) to the status of livestock–subhumans with souls, only to be used for the advancement and benefit of jews.
    Jews DID murder Jesus Christ. Sad to say, even the present-day (post-Vatican II eumenical council) Catholic church has bought into absolving the jews for Jesus Christ’s murder. As always is the case, the jews got others, the Romans to do their dirty work for them–the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. How can Christians have the same values as the Jews; the very people who denounced and betrayed the founder of Christianity, Jesus Christ, and call for his execution (by others, of course, that is the Jewish way). It makes absolutely no sense at all. Jews have no respect, unlike Muslims for Jesus Christ or Mary, his mother, who are both honored as Prophets in Islam, but instead, Jews spit on hearing their names and do the same while passing a Christian of any kind or a Christian Church in Israel. They have no respect for Christians or any other religion.
    It is time the Jewish lobbies and the American Government leaders as well as the evangelical Christian leaders who mislead the poor American young into joining the military and believing that they are doing something for God and Christianity by fighting Israel’s wars were named, shamed and arrested and tried for treason.

    Regards,

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    Well said!
    , @Rurik

    However, I must disagree with you on your assertion that the “land of Israel” was promised to the jews by God.
     
    well Anarchyst, if I said that, it was surely to mock such idiocy.

    the only people who believe that are Zionists, most of whom are 'Christians'


    Tying Judaism to Christianity was a clever trick used by the jews
     
    but was not the Bible written by Jews? Was not the Christ Himself a Jew? Born to a Jewish mother, and impregnated by the Jewish God? (obviously, there was no Christian God at the moment before conception)

    So it seems to me that Christianity, while based on the more humane New Testament, is still an offshoot of the Jewish-written Bible, with a Jewish God, (a rabbi) as its savior.

    I'll share this with you anarchyst, it was one of my more dire epiphanies in life..

    I remember the moment when I discovered that (some) Jews actually do believe themselves to be chosen (the only people with souls) who God created creation for, and put all us goyim here to serve as their slaves and lick their feet, so they could live off the fat of the land, blah, blah, blah...

    it is written

    And I remember being struck by that revelation. Utterly gobsmacked.

    Sure, such things are understandably part of a millenniums old, stone age ignorance, when superstitious humankind was fumbling for answers from the heavens, and as humans are naturally ethnocentric, and thus might be given to a certain self-aggrandizing view of himself, I could cope with what people believed thousands of years ago. But to imagine that there were humans among us today, that actually believed such hysterical, prima facie balderdash, was a huge wakeup call.

    Wow! Holy *@#$! These people really, actually believe that &%$*!

    Well sir, the next phase of my lost innocence was when I was talking to a Christian, and he was married to a Jewish woman, and he was casually explaining to me that while he and his wife didn't always see eye to eye, the thing that kept him in line was the knowledge that God loved Jews best of all, and so he had better watch his Ps & Qs, because after all, the Jews are chosen.

    And then I realized that not only did some Jews actually consider themselves divinely superior to the rest of us, but that there were actually Christians that agreed!

    I felt like vomiting on his face. Such was the violent nausea at the realization that a fellow human can actually be so gullible and capable of self-loathing, that they can believe that God created them as a dog-like second-class servant, vis-a-vis this other tribe of divinely superior people.

    This was a human, standing there on two legs, but psychologically and spiritually he was a dog, eager to accept his beta station, and lick the hand of his master, as his role.

    It is written.

    whew boy!

    so the relationship between Jew and Christian is complex and intertwined. Christians worship a Jew. A man who drank wine and was tempted by the devil. But who was God Himself in the flesh. Simultaneously mortal and divine, just as many Christians consider the chosen people.

    OK, I get on these endless rants, so pardon me. I'll try to wrap this up.


    The god of judaism is a vengeful god, totally unlike the merciful and welcoming God of Christianity.
     
    it sort of seems to me like a kind of Stockholm Syndrome, like a battered wife who becomes psychologically dependent on her role. Her (Christian) identity is tied to victimhood, and so she pushes her abusive husband's buttons so as to unleash his wrath, and consummate the covenant.

    Christianity's exhortations to 'turn the other cheek', are like a masochistic invitation for abuse. Especially when the abuser's role is codified by scripture as well. The Jewish role in the relationship between Jew and Christian is as the aggressor, and the Christian as the long suffering and submissive victim. Always forgiving, always loving, especially as they're being wronged (murdered, pillaged, raped and enslaved), they are to love their enemies. 'Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do'.

    All this plays out in real-time right before our eyes. The Jews demanded WWII, and got it. The Jewish Bolsheviks murdered untold scores of millions of Christians in the most horrific way imaginable, often with slow and cruel starvation. Or burning (especially women and children) alive. Over a hundred million Christians died, often as I mentioned, horrifically during and after that Jewish imposed war.

    And how do the Christians of the world now treat that event? With groveling submission to 'the Jews', that's how. They can't apologize enough. They fall all over themselves in servile and abject abasement. How sorry they all are! 'We're soooo sorry for what 'we've' done! They gush.

    'How about we send our young to go slaughter some other innocent people (who don't matter to God) so that you can steal their land? 'That's how sorry we all are'!

    We're willing to sacrifice untold thousands of their (actually other people's) young so that the chosen can continue to ravage the holy land in God's name.

    nausea kicking in again..

    sorry for ranting so much

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  • @anarchyst
    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD THEY KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would they build “camps” hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical, recreational and other ancillary facilities? Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? Why would they expend massive effort on logistical movement utilizing their limited energy resources if the goal was extermination? Things do not "add up"...

    Something BIG “stinks” in this whole jewish “holocaust ™” deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the German government in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans. In fact, it was jewish Zionist leaders who first proposed that all jews wear the "yellow Star of David" armband so that they could be easily identified.

    The establishment of a “homeland” along with the 6,000,000 figure was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s. What better way to encourage “emigration” to a foreign land than to make things difficult for the “cream of German society” (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” is out . . .

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish “holocaust ™” truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the “tribe” that FEAR the real truth of the jewish “holocaust ™” being exposed is evident. TRUTH CANNOT BE USED AS A DEFENSE OR ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE "KANGAROO COURTS" THAT PROSECUTE THOSE WHO DARE TO INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT. A question for you "holocaust ™" promoters--why are there laws that criminalize the search for truth??

    When the truth about this historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a “cash cow” that “keeps on giving”. . . “there’s NO business like “SHOAH business”.
    Jewish complicity in this event is carefully “covered up”.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question “official” jewish “holocaust” orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the “official” jewish “holocaust” story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to “all things holocaust”. Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment. . .

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the “chosen”) to engineer the jewish “holocaust”, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish “holocaust” was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many “holocausts” of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish “holocaust” is the only one that counts . . .

    Look at the “commercialization of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren.

    Since the jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a “homeland”–Israel. It is interesting to note that the German boycott of jewish businesses lasted for one day, whil the jewish boycott (actually the jews' declaration of war on Germany) started in 1933 and lasted until the summation of WW2.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish “homeland for the last two-hundred years while predicting a “holocaust ™” of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures).

    Regarding that “holocaust ™” “showplace” Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called “gas chambers”. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called “gassing” took place”. There is a "gas chamber" chimney that is not connected to anything. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the “operators” of these supposed “gas chambers”. As Germans were excellent engineers, it is difficult to observe the glaring engineering errors that presently exist in these "camps".

    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported “gas chambers”, had them tested and published his results. The absence of methylene blue in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the “gas chambers” did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing. In fact, the "chimney" for the supposed "gas chamber" does not connect to anything.

    Mr. Leuchter’s was rewarded for his search for TRUTH by his professional and personal character assassination by those of the “tribe”. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license”–a law which had never been used before or since. . .

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to “create” the “death camps” for propaganda purposes. Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. The prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

    It is interesting to note that, before the camps were "liberated" by the "allies", the camp occupants chose to flee with the German troops, rather than be "liberated" by the Russian "allies".

    I urge those "holocaust ™" believers to check these things out for yourselves--IF YOU DARE. You will not like what you find...

    Hello anarchyst !

    hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD THEY KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would they build “camps”

    Well, according to the narrative..

    The idea of records was because they assumed they’d win, and therefor wanted nice records to keep everything in order. (They were Germans after all ; )

    And the argument for the camps was for an orderly genocide, not with machetes like they do in Africa, but with camps built for the purpose, like the Brits did in S. Africa. Round them up, put them to work on the war effort, and then kill them off by attrition or with more stringent methods as the exigencies presented themselves.

    Not that I think the camps were built for extermination, but we all know from history that the Brits did invent concentration camps to genocide the Boer’s families, so ((they)) could steal the resources, (gold and diamonds) from the hardy Dutch who built that nation.

    It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the German government in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans.

    Yes, the Zionists and the Nazis’ agendas did dovetail nicely, a little too nicely, I agree. Just as I believe the people most enamored over the terrorist attacks in Europe are the Zionists, who’d like to see the Jews leave France and move to Palestine. If it means some of them have to be slaughtered towards that end, well then when making an omelet, and all that..

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted.

    So very true. But it’s far more Orwellian – than the imposed orthodoxy to most religions; where you’re usually free from jail time for having doubts. Not that there aren’t certain parallels. Consider.. where did the Christian religion emanate from if not from the Jews? Who wrote the Bible? From whose womb did the Christ Himself issue from?

    The very idea that you must believe in a narrative, (the Biblical narrative, just as the Holocaust narrative) or else, is a fundamentally Jewish contribution to the West.

    Our ancient pagan Gods were never that jealous, as the Jewish God of Jehovah or even Jesus, who demands fealty to Himself, (and no other) at the pain of burning for eternity for the folly of doubt.

    So depending on how you look at it, Holocaustianity was preceded by Christianity. Both of which demand fealty to their dogmas, or else. At least if you only doubt some holy tenet of Holocaustianity, your punishment will be temporary and corporal, whereas if you question the divinity of the Jewish carpenter, then your very soul is damned for all eternity.

    So the Jews have been imposing upon us their rigid version of a belief system for over a thousand years now. I remember reading a book on Benjamin Disraeli, the ninetieth century Jewish prime minister of England, and how pleased he was that so many Brits were Christians, because it meant they worshiped a fellow Jew as their God.

    It’s been written that when Queen Victoria asked prime minister Disraeli, “Mr. Prime Minister, what evidence can you give me of the existence of God?” After thinking for a moment, Disraeli replied, “The Jew, your majesty.”

    Indeed. And what is the punishment for doubting or putting some other God before the Jewish God, who came to us in the flesh, (the seed of Abraham)? Eternal damnation of your very soul. To burn for ever in the flames of Hades, suffering unimaginable torments for the evil and unforgivable temerity of doubting the divinity of the Jew, who gave you life, and created the universe.

    blah, blah, blah..

    So you see anarchist, for me it just doesn’t seem that far of a stretch to demand that people believe in a particular narrative, once their minds and psyche’s have been conditioned to do so. Or else.

    And no one has been so successful at forcing Europeans to kowtow to their God, than the Jews, who have foisted upon Europe a religion that has at its core, a sacred and holy Jew, who all must bow down to or else.

    The establishment of a “homeland” along with the 6,000,000 figure was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s.

    and whom has made that possible?

    Who were the people who descended upon Germany with such a terrible vengeance, dropping gasoline bombs on their sublime Baroque cities after the war was won, to burn their woman and children alive, in a holocaust of horrors we can’t even comprehend, it’s so demonically cruel?

    Who did that? If not Christians? And why were the American people so sanguine about unfurling God’s terrible wrath upon these people who had forsaken the Lord? Because they have forsaken (the Jewish) God, Christ.

    I grew up in a Christian household, and my (saintly) parents were depression era protestants. But like everyone else at the time, during that war, they too were admonished ((by the newspapers and radio and newsreels at the movies)) that the Nazis were anti-Christ atheists, who had turned from God, and doing so, brought down the wrath of His flaming sword upon themselves, thought their willful apostasy. They had denied the Jewish carpenter (and raised their hands to His holy tribe) who had created them and given them salvation. If only they would accept Him as their God. And kneel before Him, they could have avoided the tribulations they brought down upon themselves.

    But it wasn’t to be, and so just as the Bible forebodes, (which all good Christians must believe) those who turn against the Biblical Israel, will be cursed..

    Malachi 4:1
    “For behold, the day is coming, ..shall set them ablaze, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.

    Genesis 12:1-3
    Now the Lord said to Abram, “.. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

    Zechariah 14:12
    And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the peoples that wage war against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.

    if y0u know the Bible, then you know that Jerusalem here means ‘Israel’, which means the Jewish people.

    Matthew 24:9
    “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake.

    every Christian preacher and minister and reverend these days is always on about how “God” said ‘I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you’, blah, blah, blah

    and they’re speaking of course about the Jewish people. So it was Christians, who believe this stuff, who were the ones so eager to bring God’s vengeance with them to Nazi Germany- who had cursed ‘Israel’ (by raising their hand to the Jewish people) and by doing so, had invited the flames of wrath from God, who had warned them, if only they had read their Bibles!

    So you see for me, the West has been under the thrall of these people and their ‘religions’ for so long, even believing that one among them was God Himself!, that it just isn’t such a leap for such believers to toe a different line when the ((PTB)) exhort them to.

    Yesterday it was blasphemy to use the name Jesus in vain, today it’s blasphemy to question the holy gas chambers.

    Once you convince people that they’re only allowed to think in certain ways, and believe in certain things… or else, then what you’re dealing with are sheople, that you can programed, just like a computer. Garbage in, garbage out.

    If I wanted to stunt the mind and soul of my child, I would tell him that he better believe in this dogma, because if he doesn’t then he’s an evil child, and unworthy of love from anyone, and deserves the righteous hatred of God the benevolent Creator, because he willfully refused to have faith, and believe what it’s demanded he believe, regardless of any and all evidence. Indeed, the more he’s willing to believe, (in spite of all evidence to the contrary), the more he’s a good person. And deserving of love and acceptance. Rather than a bad and evil person who deserves hatred and wrath and to burn in Hell for ever. For doubting what he’s told is the correct and only good thing to believe, with all his heart and soul, or else!

    So now that I’ve properly raised him, and he believes and believes, with scrunched up eyes, and even tears, he loves big brother – er, I mean God, more than anything… then it’s just not a difficult leap to tell him that now this is what you must believe, if you’re a good person. that six million Jews were genocided in evil Nazi gas chambers, by the most evil man that ever defied God Himself ! And that we good people brought the vengeance of God down on those evil people, and that’s what makes us good people. Blah, fucking blah, blah, blah…

    Anyways, this is getting wwaaayyyyyy too long, so I’m going to stop here for the time being and get some things done, (for God’s sake! ; )

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    Thank you for your insight. You make many good points...
    However, I must disagree with you on your assertion that the "land of Israel" was promised to the jews by God.
    Tying Judaism to Christianity was a clever trick used by the jews to "cement" their claim to the "land of Israel" and of the covenant, to which I reply, "God is not a real estate agent".
    Jews abandoned the covenant when they murdered Jesus Christ. Their covenant with God was then "null and void".
    It is the flawed Schofield translation of the Bible that elevated jews to the status of Christianity's "elder brothers", which was then reinforced by the Catholic (flawed) "Vatican II Ecumenical Council" in the 1960s.
    I cringe when I hear well-meaning people talk about out judeo-Christian heritage.
    Nothing could be further from the truth.
    The only common thread between Christianity and judaism is the Ten Commandments--nothing more.
    The god of judaism is a vengeful god, totally unlike the merciful and welcoming God of Christianity.
    Christianity welcomes ALL, regardless of nationality or social status--not true of judaism.
    Judaism is an insular belief system that shuns outsiders, prohibits proselytization, and promotes a form of supremacy, relegating all gentiles (non-jews) to the status of livestock--subhumans with souls, only to be used for the advancement and benefit of jews.
    Jews DID murder Jesus Christ. Sad to say, even the present-day (post-Vatican II eumenical council) Catholic church has bought into absolving the jews for Jesus Christ's murder. As always is the case, the jews got others, the Romans to do their dirty work for them--the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. How can Christians have the same values as the Jews; the very people who denounced and betrayed the founder of Christianity, Jesus Christ, and call for his execution (by others, of course, that is the Jewish way). It makes absolutely no sense at all. Jews have no respect, unlike Muslims for Jesus Christ or Mary, his mother, who are both honored as Prophets in Islam, but instead, Jews spit on hearing their names and do the same while passing a Christian of any kind or a Christian Church in Israel. They have no respect for Christians or any other religion.
    It is time the Jewish lobbies and the American Government leaders as well as the evangelical Christian leaders who mislead the poor American young into joining the military and believing that they are doing something for God and Christianity by fighting Israel’s wars were named, shamed and arrested and tried for treason.

    Regards,

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  • @Dissdent X
    Ah Rurik, so full of incisiveness.

    About the... event that (actually) should not be named, and Wally, I'm also responding to your general cause d'etre (I am NOT criticizing it, but rather offering an alternative approach).

    I am generally contextually informed by Douglas Reed's "Controversy of Zion".

    About the events of the second world war, and (incredibly pervasively-promoted mass assassination) policies and actions against dissidents of the National Socialist regime, at the time:

    1. During the Great War (WWI), the 'leadership' of the international political collective referring to itself at 'Jewry', having manipulated British and American leadership into a position where they could promise the British, who were badly losing the war, the American entrance into the war on their side, for the now infamous "Balfour Declaration", announced 'War on Germany' the place in the world, which above all other nations, had emancipated 'jews' and where they had done exceedingly well, and, not surprisingly from today's perspective, come to dominate many institutions, both governmental and non-governmental, especially banking and media.

    2. There was likely some negative feelings, on behalf of the Germans, who then faced economic hardship, and for the poorer, survival challenges; of the suffering, the 'jews', having achieved greater successes, and supporting in-group adherents, were noticeably less negatively affected, further creating negative feelings.

    3. Owing to the very nature of the Torah-Talmud ideology, fundamentally dissident from the National Socialist political agenda, a large number of 'jews' along with the majority of other officially recognized dissident groups, were subject to mass assassinations, and/or internship.

    4. It is quite likely that 200K-300K self-identifying 'jews' were murdered, among the overall number of 1.25M-1.5M political assassinations carried out by the National Socialist regime between 1933-1945.

    5. Subsequently, through the 'hidden hand' and spearheaded by the prime 'media' outlets in the 'free' world, the other major groups murdered by the WWII National Socialist regime were dropped from the descriptions of the mass murders/assassination narratives, until it became only about 'the jews', and subsequently ,during my lifetime, the entire WWII became about 'the jews'.

    6. Now the creation of illegitimate and constitutionally illegal laws, censoring the objective, fact-based discussions on such topics, and the zealous laws, extending 'special privilege' to the Torah-Talmudists, which, are used by the extremist extra-governmental agencies to marginalize and criminalize anyone who would even suggest opening such objective and fact-based discussions on 'their' topics and importance, extending now to active conflagration of criticism of a particular political entity occupying Palestinian lands, which daily commit genocide (which when it has been associated with them as the 'victim' is a horrid, unspeakable crime, but when they commit it, is 'necessary defensive activities'.

    My recommendation:
    Try to work some facts about the method of the subversion of history in your commentary. I know it takes up words in an attention-span-challenged social setting, but it might add effectiveness to your (well worthwhile) argument.

    Rock on.


    btw: thanks Nick Kollerstrom for bringing this worthy information to us at the UNZ community, and mods for their work enabling the discussion.

    Thank you Dissident,

    I am generally contextually informed by Douglas Reed’s “Controversy of Zion“.

    I’ve perused it as well, and mean to have a closer look. Sometimes I feel a little burned out on the subject.

    actions against dissidents of the National Socialist regime, at the time:

    they had good reason for not wanting to lose that war, and consequent events have shown they were quite right about that.

    Indeed, after it’s all said and done, it seems they were far too gentle with their enemies.

    come to dominate many institutions

    I believe more so after Germany was betrayed and forced to sign away the German people into slavery. Once Germany was on its knees, then they poured in and bought up the place at ‘pennies on the dollar’. It was during the Weimar regime that the Jews really put it to the Germans.

    But you’re right, Germany was betrayed not only by Perfidious Albion, but by perfidious Woodrow Wilson as well. Fourteen Points my arse.

    were noticeably less negatively affected

    less effected, because they were the ones lording it over Germany, and treating the starving German people as their chattel.

    a large number of ‘jews’ along with the majority of other officially recognized dissident groups, were subject to mass assassinations, and/or internship.

    Germany’s main enemy were the Bolsheviks, who had just starved Ukraine’s most successful farmers to death by the millions, and obviously had every intention of doing the same thing to Germany. Hitler and Stalin were ideological polar opposites. Stalin hated people of ability, as he considered ability an unjustified privilege that providence had not distributed equally, and wanted to machine gun every man, woman and child that might one day be independently successful on their own, and hurt other people’s feelings who weren’t cabable of such things.

    At least that’s how I sort of see it, as it’s the fundamental motivating principle we see today destroying Western civilization. By what right to the people of the West have to create such superior societies? Did they make their DNA? Or are the German people simply born being industrious and hard working? If they were simply born tall and blond and intelligent, then they had no personal hand in it. “They didn’t build that’. And so by what right do they have to flaunt their success? The people who say, “you didn’t build that’, would like to make everyone equal, no matter the methods. This is the same motivating principle that created the Soviet Union, and Red China, and the Khmer Rouge, and all the other regimes based on equality of outcome. Envy. Burning envy that turns to murderous hatred.

    (I know I’m sort of ranting now, but I do often do that ; )

    were subject to mass assassinations, and/or internship.

    yes, commies were shot on sight, as well they should have been. What the commies did to their victims, both before and after WWII, is an enormity so heinous that it defies comprehension.

    But like I said, envy.. I suspect more than any other human foible, can lead man to such levels of demonic hatred, as to confound the very Gods.

    4. It is quite likely that 200K-300K self-identifying ‘jews’ were murdered, among the overall number of 1.25M-1.5M political assassinations carried out by the National Socialist regime between 1933-1945.

    I’m not an historian, so I really haven’t poured over the minutia. But I know a lot of Jews and others that the National Socialist considered existential enemies, (often with good reason) were summarily shot, or otherwise executed.

    I have no idea about the actual numbers, but I also would consider it consistent with what I’ve glimmered, to believe that a certain number of innocent Jews were also murdered, for no other reason than because they were Jews. (just as millions of German civilians were murdered after the war was over, for no other reason than because they were German) Indeed, it seems the idea that racism per se was the reason so many opposed the Nazis, is a foul and vicious lie. Because if so, then German children (for God’s sake!) would not have been subject to so much persecution or death, simply because they happen to have been born German (or half German in the case of Norway). The point it seems to me of the war, wasn’t to oppose racism, but to simply make the Germans suffer the racism of the Allies and Jews, rather than the other way around.

    Ranting again. -sigh-

    became only about ‘the jews’, and subsequently ,during my lifetime, the entire WWII became about ‘the jews’.

    isn’t everything?

    marginalize and criminalize anyone who would even suggest opening such objective and fact-based discussions

    that’s because their whole narratives, both vis-a-vis WWII and Palestine.. are lies-

    = Devil’s lies intended to make their victims look like the villains, and their villainy look like victimization. They have to keep the dishonest paradigm in place, or their house of lies falls down. And with it, well.. providence can only say.

    Try to work some facts about the method of the subversion of history in your commentary.

    I do so, I believe on occasion, and indeed, part of my whole shtick is pointing out theirs (and other’s) Satanic lies and treachery. And attempting in some small way to oppose more of their evil wars and serial atrocities and Orwellian horrors they have in mind for us.

    Rock on.

    You too my friend!

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  • @Varenik
    Fuck her and Kollerstrom.
    About a dozen of my family members died in the gas chambers.
    2 survived to tell the tale.
    NONE of my family wanted to nor received ANY restitution.
    The ditty is hateful and as far as I am concerned she could rot in jail till her miserable life is over.
    Did it ever occur to you, ignoramuses, that Unz might simply be doing the same thing Russians are doing with western propaganda - letting the idiots have their say for all Russians to see, judge and come to their own conclusions, the more ignorant and hateful those idiots are the better ?

    There were no gas chambers, period. It has been proven beyond any doubt, even though it is YOU the jews who should bear the burden of proof. But anyways look up the Leuchter report and you will see why those rooms were not homicidal gas Chambers but simply fumigation rooms to clean clothes and what have you from lice. Your ancestors God bless their souls died from disease, malnutrition or exhaustion and those who supposedly survived should have been able to tell the truth but they would be outcast in your own tribal society and that is the sad truth which is exactly what happened to Finkelstein.

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  • @Rurik
    Hello Paul,

    With the media and governments controlled by the same group, the truth is another casualty. I know you agree with this.
     
    in spades Paul!

    To Wally’s point, where is the proof of extermination...
     
    but to my point, I wholly admit, (that unless you're talking about lice, [or the German people themselves*]) there was no extermination or any intention for it. At least as far as the evidence I've seen.

    The fact that one goes to jail for providing contrary evidence to the “agreed narrative” tells us everything we need to know. They’re lying.
     
    yes, of course they are! Truth does not need gendarmes and bludgeons to 'prove' it's veracity. The second someone tells you; 'you will believe this or else', is the second you know they're full of shit.

    So the total 6M number (for the Holocaust) was reduced by 3M but yet still remained at 6M. Make sense? Of course not
     
    because the number is an obvious lie/exaggeration

    Virtually everything we’ve learned and are told by the media, and our history books, is a lie.
     
    I agree Paul.

    IF it happened,
     
    You capitalize the word 'IF' Paul, but I'd prefer to concentrate for the moment on the word 'it'.

    What is 'it'?

    If we can't define it, then how do we know what it is, or even if it happened?

    So, first off, in defining it, I would posit that the Holocaust, (with all the gloomy, solemn intonations notwithstanding) was an event much like The Trail of Tears, for instance. That did happen, but the details about which are often deliberately skewed for myriad reasons and effect.

    Imagine if our banks- and consequently our media and courts and universities and cultural institutions and federal government and so forth, were all owned and/or controlled by descendants of the Amerindians that suffered during the Trail of Tears. I suspect that were that the case, that then the 'it', ethnic cleansing of the Amerindian, including murders, would be very near the levels of hysteria that the Holocaust is today. There'd be museums galore and a movie/TV show every week. We'd be hearing about the survivors and paying reparations out our collective wazoo.

    But instead, it's Jews who own our banks, and therefor all the rest. And so it's the Holocaust we're all berated with 24/7, 365, decade after lugubrious decade.

    (perhaps that's not fair to the Amerindian, as they don't seem to be congenital whiners ; )

    Anyways, the point is that something happened, and that if it were no more murderous or villainous than the internment of Japanese Americans during the war (as Wally pointed out), then they're still entitled to give that event a name, no?

    I sometimes wonder if the Holocaust wasn't more to do about what had been lost to the Jews of Germany, than anything that might have happened to them. During the Weimar regime, the Jews who flooded into Germany after the punishing cruelty of the Versailles Treaty, had turned Germany into their private playground, with German children as their amusements, and the German nation as their toy. If you think the outrages against decency being exposed in Hollywood, with rampant pedophilia and sexual depravity on the powerless is bad, then you have no idea what it was like for the Germans of Weimar. The poor Jews lost all that when the Nazis came to power, and just that loss must have stung painfully. If they wanted to call that removal from all the significant positions of power- that the Nazis surely did to them.. the Holocaust, then why not let them?

    So I feel like it's imperative that the word 'Holocaust' have a definition, if we're going to be able to debate its historical veracity.

    Does it mean - that "six million died in a deliberate 'final solution' to gas and otherwise genocide every last Jew from the earth, including sadistic experiments and lampshades made from skin and soap made from fat...."

    if so, then I absolutely would say that 'it' never happened. And that it's all basically a lie, and a fraud and a hoax.

    but...

    if it, meaning the Holocaust, can mean that millions of Jews were persecuted, and even thousands (or more) were murdered, and that when the Nazis came into Poland, that the Polish people immediately rounded up the Bolshevik Jews who had been murdering their relatives, and killed them on the spot. As no doubt happened in Hungary and elsewhere where the Jewish Cheka/NKVD were cruelly oppressing and menacing the people.

    Can the Holocaust mean less than the holy "six million"? If only five million died, would they still be able to call it the Holocaust?

    I've never seen that question answered by either side.

    I've had my coffee, and could write more, but I'm going to leave it at that.

    If only five million, or five thousand died, but it included the removal of Jews from absolute domination of Germany by the Nazis, and included laws that singled out Jews for restrictions on their behavior, and included the expulsion or otherwise migration of Jews to Palestine and elsewhere, should the Jews of today be allowed to call that 'catastrophe' to their happiness at the time; the Holocaust??

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    * Morgenthau Plan

    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD THEY KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would they build “camps” hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical, recreational and other ancillary facilities? Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? Why would they expend massive effort on logistical movement utilizing their limited energy resources if the goal was extermination? Things do not “add up”…

    Something BIG “stinks” in this whole jewish “holocaust ™” deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the German government in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans. In fact, it was jewish Zionist leaders who first proposed that all jews wear the “yellow Star of David” armband so that they could be easily identified.

    The establishment of a “homeland” along with the 6,000,000 figure was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s. What better way to encourage “emigration” to a foreign land than to make things difficult for the “cream of German society” (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” is out . . .

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish “holocaust ™” truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the “tribe” that FEAR the real truth of the jewish “holocaust ™” being exposed is evident. TRUTH CANNOT BE USED AS A DEFENSE OR ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE “KANGAROO COURTS” THAT PROSECUTE THOSE WHO DARE TO INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT. A question for you “holocaust ™” promoters–why are there laws that criminalize the search for truth??

    When the truth about this historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a “cash cow” that “keeps on giving”. . . “there’s NO business like “SHOAH business”.
    Jewish complicity in this event is carefully “covered up”.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question “official” jewish “holocaust” orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the “official” jewish “holocaust” story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to “all things holocaust”. Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment. . .

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the “chosen”) to engineer the jewish “holocaust”, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish “holocaust” was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many “holocausts” of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish “holocaust” is the only one that counts . . .

    Look at the “commercialization of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren.

    Since the jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a “homeland”–Israel. It is interesting to note that the German boycott of jewish businesses lasted for one day, whil the jewish boycott (actually the jews’ declaration of war on Germany) started in 1933 and lasted until the summation of WW2.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish “homeland for the last two-hundred years while predicting a “holocaust ™” of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures).

    Regarding that “holocaust ™” “showplace” Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called “gas chambers”. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called “gassing” took place”. There is a “gas chamber” chimney that is not connected to anything. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the “operators” of these supposed “gas chambers”. As Germans were excellent engineers, it is difficult to observe the glaring engineering errors that presently exist in these “camps”.

    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported “gas chambers”, had them tested and published his results. The absence of methylene blue in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the “gas chambers” did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing. In fact, the “chimney” for the supposed “gas chamber” does not connect to anything.

    Mr. Leuchter’s was rewarded for his search for TRUTH by his professional and personal character assassination by those of the “tribe”. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license”–a law which had never been used before or since. . .

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to “create” the “death camps” for propaganda purposes. Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. The prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

    It is interesting to note that, before the camps were “liberated” by the “allies”, the camp occupants chose to flee with the German troops, rather than be “liberated” by the Russian “allies”.

    I urge those “holocaust ™” believers to check these things out for yourselves–IF YOU DARE. You will not like what you find…

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    Hello anarchyst !

    hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD THEY KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would they build “camps”
     
    Well, according to the narrative..

    The idea of records was because they assumed they'd win, and therefor wanted nice records to keep everything in order. (They were Germans after all ; )

    And the argument for the camps was for an orderly genocide, not with machetes like they do in Africa, but with camps built for the purpose, like the Brits did in S. Africa. Round them up, put them to work on the war effort, and then kill them off by attrition or with more stringent methods as the exigencies presented themselves.

    Not that I think the camps were built for extermination, but we all know from history that the Brits did invent concentration camps to genocide the Boer's families, so ((they)) could steal the resources, (gold and diamonds) from the hardy Dutch who built that nation.


    It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the German government in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans.
     
    Yes, the Zionists and the Nazis' agendas did dovetail nicely, a little too nicely, I agree. Just as I believe the people most enamored over the terrorist attacks in Europe are the Zionists, who'd like to see the Jews leave France and move to Palestine. If it means some of them have to be slaughtered towards that end, well then when making an omelet, and all that..

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted.
     
    So very true. But it's far more Orwellian - than the imposed orthodoxy to most religions; where you're usually free from jail time for having doubts. Not that there aren't certain parallels. Consider.. where did the Christian religion emanate from if not from the Jews? Who wrote the Bible? From whose womb did the Christ Himself issue from?

    The very idea that you must believe in a narrative, (the Biblical narrative, just as the Holocaust narrative) or else, is a fundamentally Jewish contribution to the West.

    Our ancient pagan Gods were never that jealous, as the Jewish God of Jehovah or even Jesus, who demands fealty to Himself, (and no other) at the pain of burning for eternity for the folly of doubt.

    So depending on how you look at it, Holocaustianity was preceded by Christianity. Both of which demand fealty to their dogmas, or else. At least if you only doubt some holy tenet of Holocaustianity, your punishment will be temporary and corporal, whereas if you question the divinity of the Jewish carpenter, then your very soul is damned for all eternity.

    So the Jews have been imposing upon us their rigid version of a belief system for over a thousand years now. I remember reading a book on Benjamin Disraeli, the ninetieth century Jewish prime minister of England, and how pleased he was that so many Brits were Christians, because it meant they worshiped a fellow Jew as their God.

    It's been written that when Queen Victoria asked prime minister Disraeli, “Mr. Prime Minister, what evidence can you give me of the existence of God?” After thinking for a moment, Disraeli replied, “The Jew, your majesty.”

    Indeed. And what is the punishment for doubting or putting some other God before the Jewish God, who came to us in the flesh, (the seed of Abraham)? Eternal damnation of your very soul. To burn for ever in the flames of Hades, suffering unimaginable torments for the evil and unforgivable temerity of doubting the divinity of the Jew, who gave you life, and created the universe.

    blah, blah, blah..

    So you see anarchist, for me it just doesn't seem that far of a stretch to demand that people believe in a particular narrative, once their minds and psyche's have been conditioned to do so. Or else.

    And no one has been so successful at forcing Europeans to kowtow to their God, than the Jews, who have foisted upon Europe a religion that has at its core, a sacred and holy Jew, who all must bow down to or else.


    The establishment of a “homeland” along with the 6,000,000 figure was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s.
     
    and whom has made that possible?

    Who were the people who descended upon Germany with such a terrible vengeance, dropping gasoline bombs on their sublime Baroque cities after the war was won, to burn their woman and children alive, in a holocaust of horrors we can't even comprehend, it's so demonically cruel?

    Who did that? If not Christians? And why were the American people so sanguine about unfurling God's terrible wrath upon these people who had forsaken the Lord? Because they have forsaken (the Jewish) God, Christ.

    I grew up in a Christian household, and my (saintly) parents were depression era protestants. But like everyone else at the time, during that war, they too were admonished ((by the newspapers and radio and newsreels at the movies)) that the Nazis were anti-Christ atheists, who had turned from God, and doing so, brought down the wrath of His flaming sword upon themselves, thought their willful apostasy. They had denied the Jewish carpenter (and raised their hands to His holy tribe) who had created them and given them salvation. If only they would accept Him as their God. And kneel before Him, they could have avoided the tribulations they brought down upon themselves.

    But it wasn't to be, and so just as the Bible forebodes, (which all good Christians must believe) those who turn against the Biblical Israel, will be cursed..


    Malachi 4:1
    “For behold, the day is coming, ..shall set them ablaze, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.
     

    Genesis 12:1-3
    Now the Lord said to Abram, “.. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
     

    Zechariah 14:12
    And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the peoples that wage war against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.
     
    if y0u know the Bible, then you know that Jerusalem here means 'Israel', which means the Jewish people.

    Matthew 24:9
    “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake.
     
    every Christian preacher and minister and reverend these days is always on about how "God" said 'I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you', blah, blah, blah

    and they're speaking of course about the Jewish people. So it was Christians, who believe this stuff, who were the ones so eager to bring God's vengeance with them to Nazi Germany- who had cursed 'Israel' (by raising their hand to the Jewish people) and by doing so, had invited the flames of wrath from God, who had warned them, if only they had read their Bibles!

    So you see for me, the West has been under the thrall of these people and their 'religions' for so long, even believing that one among them was God Himself!, that it just isn't such a leap for such believers to toe a different line when the ((PTB)) exhort them to.

    Yesterday it was blasphemy to use the name Jesus in vain, today it's blasphemy to question the holy gas chambers.

    Once you convince people that they're only allowed to think in certain ways, and believe in certain things... or else, then what you're dealing with are sheople, that you can programed, just like a computer. Garbage in, garbage out.

    If I wanted to stunt the mind and soul of my child, I would tell him that he better believe in this dogma, because if he doesn't then he's an evil child, and unworthy of love from anyone, and deserves the righteous hatred of God the benevolent Creator, because he willfully refused to have faith, and believe what it's demanded he believe, regardless of any and all evidence. Indeed, the more he's willing to believe, (in spite of all evidence to the contrary), the more he's a good person. And deserving of love and acceptance. Rather than a bad and evil person who deserves hatred and wrath and to burn in Hell for ever. For doubting what he's told is the correct and only good thing to believe, with all his heart and soul, or else!

    So now that I've properly raised him, and he believes and believes, with scrunched up eyes, and even tears, he loves big brother - er, I mean God, more than anything... then it's just not a difficult leap to tell him that now this is what you must believe, if you're a good person. that six million Jews were genocided in evil Nazi gas chambers, by the most evil man that ever defied God Himself ! And that we good people brought the vengeance of God down on those evil people, and that's what makes us good people. Blah, fucking blah, blah, blah...

    Anyways, this is getting wwaaayyyyyy too long, so I'm going to stop here for the time being and get some things done, (for God's sake! ; )

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  • @Sam J.
    I'm skeptical. I think it much more likely that they drowned in the Auschwitz swimming Pool. Pools are dangerous.

    http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/2005Photos/AuschwitzPool.jpg

    I know what my relatives that survived told us.
    All you know is how to shit on others.

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  • @Bill jones
    The death toll clearly wasn't enough.

    hopefully your children and theirs suffer the same fate.

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  • @Dissdent X
    Ah Rurik, so full of incisiveness.

    About the... event that (actually) should not be named, and Wally, I'm also responding to your general cause d'etre (I am NOT criticizing it, but rather offering an alternative approach).

    I am generally contextually informed by Douglas Reed's "Controversy of Zion".

    About the events of the second world war, and (incredibly pervasively-promoted mass assassination) policies and actions against dissidents of the National Socialist regime, at the time:

    1. During the Great War (WWI), the 'leadership' of the international political collective referring to itself at 'Jewry', having manipulated British and American leadership into a position where they could promise the British, who were badly losing the war, the American entrance into the war on their side, for the now infamous "Balfour Declaration", announced 'War on Germany' the place in the world, which above all other nations, had emancipated 'jews' and where they had done exceedingly well, and, not surprisingly from today's perspective, come to dominate many institutions, both governmental and non-governmental, especially banking and media.

    2. There was likely some negative feelings, on behalf of the Germans, who then faced economic hardship, and for the poorer, survival challenges; of the suffering, the 'jews', having achieved greater successes, and supporting in-group adherents, were noticeably less negatively affected, further creating negative feelings.

    3. Owing to the very nature of the Torah-Talmud ideology, fundamentally dissident from the National Socialist political agenda, a large number of 'jews' along with the majority of other officially recognized dissident groups, were subject to mass assassinations, and/or internship.

    4. It is quite likely that 200K-300K self-identifying 'jews' were murdered, among the overall number of 1.25M-1.5M political assassinations carried out by the National Socialist regime between 1933-1945.

    5. Subsequently, through the 'hidden hand' and spearheaded by the prime 'media' outlets in the 'free' world, the other major groups murdered by the WWII National Socialist regime were dropped from the descriptions of the mass murders/assassination narratives, until it became only about 'the jews', and subsequently ,during my lifetime, the entire WWII became about 'the jews'.

    6. Now the creation of illegitimate and constitutionally illegal laws, censoring the objective, fact-based discussions on such topics, and the zealous laws, extending 'special privilege' to the Torah-Talmudists, which, are used by the extremist extra-governmental agencies to marginalize and criminalize anyone who would even suggest opening such objective and fact-based discussions on 'their' topics and importance, extending now to active conflagration of criticism of a particular political entity occupying Palestinian lands, which daily commit genocide (which when it has been associated with them as the 'victim' is a horrid, unspeakable crime, but when they commit it, is 'necessary defensive activities'.

    My recommendation:
    Try to work some facts about the method of the subversion of history in your commentary. I know it takes up words in an attention-span-challenged social setting, but it might add effectiveness to your (well worthwhile) argument.

    Rock on.


    btw: thanks Nick Kollerstrom for bringing this worthy information to us at the UNZ community, and mods for their work enabling the discussion.

    ” 5. Subsequently, through the ‘hidden hand’ and spearheaded by the prime ‘media’ outlets in the ‘free’ world, the other major groups murdered by the WWII National Socialist regime were dropped from the descriptions of the mass murders/assassination narratives, until it became only about ‘the jews’, and subsequently ,during my lifetime, the entire WWII became about ‘the jews’. ”

    Which other groups are asserted to have been murdered by Germans ?
    Who ever realises that some ten million Germans lost their lives in WWII ?
    Who knows that Poles and Lithuanians murdered their jews ?
    Who knows the jewish declaration of war on Hitler Germany in 1933 ?

    Poles : Jan T. Gross, ‘Neighbours, The Destruction of the Jewish Community in Jedwabne, Poland, 1941’, 2003, London
    Lithuanians, with pictures: Christopher R. Browning, ‘Ordinary Men, Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland’, 1992, 2001, London
    and, no pictures: Dan Jacobson, ‘Heshels Rijk Familiekroniek’, Amsterdam 1998

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    Gross is not a historian. He's a sociologist/fantasist.
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  • @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Common sense will win. Israel is again asking Poland for some ww2 reparation for Holocaust victims.
    Poland is also being asked by Brussels to accept some rabid Muslims. I think Polaks are on verge of being fed up.

    Poland is also being asked by Brussels to accept some rabid Muslims. I think Polaks are on verge of being fed up.

    Let us hope and pray.

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  • @Rurik
    Hello Paul,

    With the media and governments controlled by the same group, the truth is another casualty. I know you agree with this.
     
    in spades Paul!

    To Wally’s point, where is the proof of extermination...
     
    but to my point, I wholly admit, (that unless you're talking about lice, [or the German people themselves*]) there was no extermination or any intention for it. At least as far as the evidence I've seen.

    The fact that one goes to jail for providing contrary evidence to the “agreed narrative” tells us everything we need to know. They’re lying.
     
    yes, of course they are! Truth does not need gendarmes and bludgeons to 'prove' it's veracity. The second someone tells you; 'you will believe this or else', is the second you know they're full of shit.

    So the total 6M number (for the Holocaust) was reduced by 3M but yet still remained at 6M. Make sense? Of course not
     
    because the number is an obvious lie/exaggeration

    Virtually everything we’ve learned and are told by the media, and our history books, is a lie.
     
    I agree Paul.

    IF it happened,
     
    You capitalize the word 'IF' Paul, but I'd prefer to concentrate for the moment on the word 'it'.

    What is 'it'?

    If we can't define it, then how do we know what it is, or even if it happened?

    So, first off, in defining it, I would posit that the Holocaust, (with all the gloomy, solemn intonations notwithstanding) was an event much like The Trail of Tears, for instance. That did happen, but the details about which are often deliberately skewed for myriad reasons and effect.

    Imagine if our banks- and consequently our media and courts and universities and cultural institutions and federal government and so forth, were all owned and/or controlled by descendants of the Amerindians that suffered during the Trail of Tears. I suspect that were that the case, that then the 'it', ethnic cleansing of the Amerindian, including murders, would be very near the levels of hysteria that the Holocaust is today. There'd be museums galore and a movie/TV show every week. We'd be hearing about the survivors and paying reparations out our collective wazoo.

    But instead, it's Jews who own our banks, and therefor all the rest. And so it's the Holocaust we're all berated with 24/7, 365, decade after lugubrious decade.

    (perhaps that's not fair to the Amerindian, as they don't seem to be congenital whiners ; )

    Anyways, the point is that something happened, and that if it were no more murderous or villainous than the internment of Japanese Americans during the war (as Wally pointed out), then they're still entitled to give that event a name, no?

    I sometimes wonder if the Holocaust wasn't more to do about what had been lost to the Jews of Germany, than anything that might have happened to them. During the Weimar regime, the Jews who flooded into Germany after the punishing cruelty of the Versailles Treaty, had turned Germany into their private playground, with German children as their amusements, and the German nation as their toy. If you think the outrages against decency being exposed in Hollywood, with rampant pedophilia and sexual depravity on the powerless is bad, then you have no idea what it was like for the Germans of Weimar. The poor Jews lost all that when the Nazis came to power, and just that loss must have stung painfully. If they wanted to call that removal from all the significant positions of power- that the Nazis surely did to them.. the Holocaust, then why not let them?

    So I feel like it's imperative that the word 'Holocaust' have a definition, if we're going to be able to debate its historical veracity.

    Does it mean - that "six million died in a deliberate 'final solution' to gas and otherwise genocide every last Jew from the earth, including sadistic experiments and lampshades made from skin and soap made from fat...."

    if so, then I absolutely would say that 'it' never happened. And that it's all basically a lie, and a fraud and a hoax.

    but...

    if it, meaning the Holocaust, can mean that millions of Jews were persecuted, and even thousands (or more) were murdered, and that when the Nazis came into Poland, that the Polish people immediately rounded up the Bolshevik Jews who had been murdering their relatives, and killed them on the spot. As no doubt happened in Hungary and elsewhere where the Jewish Cheka/NKVD were cruelly oppressing and menacing the people.

    Can the Holocaust mean less than the holy "six million"? If only five million died, would they still be able to call it the Holocaust?

    I've never seen that question answered by either side.

    I've had my coffee, and could write more, but I'm going to leave it at that.

    If only five million, or five thousand died, but it included the removal of Jews from absolute domination of Germany by the Nazis, and included laws that singled out Jews for restrictions on their behavior, and included the expulsion or otherwise migration of Jews to Palestine and elsewhere, should the Jews of today be allowed to call that 'catastrophe' to their happiness at the time; the Holocaust??

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    * Morgenthau Plan

    Ah Rurik, so full of incisiveness.

    About the… event that (actually) should not be named, and Wally, I’m also responding to your general cause d’etre (I am NOT criticizing it, but rather offering an alternative approach).

    I am generally contextually informed by Douglas Reed’s “Controversy of Zion“.

    About the events of the second world war, and (incredibly pervasively-promoted mass assassination) policies and actions against dissidents of the National Socialist regime, at the time:

    1. During the Great War (WWI), the ‘leadership’ of the international political collective referring to itself at ‘Jewry’, having manipulated British and American leadership into a position where they could promise the British, who were badly losing the war, the American entrance into the war on their side, for the now infamous “Balfour Declaration”, announced ‘War on Germany’ the place in the world, which above all other nations, had emancipated ‘jews’ and where they had done exceedingly well, and, not surprisingly from today’s perspective, come to dominate many institutions, both governmental and non-governmental, especially banking and media.

    2. There was likely some negative feelings, on behalf of the Germans, who then faced economic hardship, and for the poorer, survival challenges; of the suffering, the ‘jews’, having achieved greater successes, and supporting in-group adherents, were noticeably less negatively affected, further creating negative feelings.

    3. Owing to the very nature of the Torah-Talmud ideology, fundamentally dissident from the National Socialist political agenda, a large number of ‘jews’ along with the majority of other officially recognized dissident groups, were subject to mass assassinations, and/or internship.

    4. It is quite likely that 200K-300K self-identifying ‘jews’ were murdered, among the overall number of 1.25M-1.5M political assassinations carried out by the National Socialist regime between 1933-1945.

    5. Subsequently, through the ‘hidden hand’ and spearheaded by the prime ‘media’ outlets in the ‘free’ world, the other major groups murdered by the WWII National Socialist regime were dropped from the descriptions of the mass murders/assassination narratives, until it became only about ‘the jews’, and subsequently ,during my lifetime, the entire WWII became about ‘the jews’.

    6. Now the creation of illegitimate and constitutionally illegal laws, censoring the objective, fact-based discussions on such topics, and the zealous laws, extending ‘special privilege’ to the Torah-Talmudists, which, are used by the extremist extra-governmental agencies to marginalize and criminalize anyone who would even suggest opening such objective and fact-based discussions on ‘their’ topics and importance, extending now to active conflagration of criticism of a particular political entity occupying Palestinian lands, which daily commit genocide (which when it has been associated with them as the ‘victim’ is a horrid, unspeakable crime, but when they commit it, is ‘necessary defensive activities’.

    My recommendation:
    Try to work some facts about the method of the subversion of history in your commentary. I know it takes up words in an attention-span-challenged social setting, but it might add effectiveness to your (well worthwhile) argument.

    Rock on.

    btw: thanks Nick Kollerstrom for bringing this worthy information to us at the UNZ community, and mods for their work enabling the discussion.

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    " 5. Subsequently, through the ‘hidden hand’ and spearheaded by the prime ‘media’ outlets in the ‘free’ world, the other major groups murdered by the WWII National Socialist regime were dropped from the descriptions of the mass murders/assassination narratives, until it became only about ‘the jews’, and subsequently ,during my lifetime, the entire WWII became about ‘the jews’. "

    Which other groups are asserted to have been murdered by Germans ?
    Who ever realises that some ten million Germans lost their lives in WWII ?
    Who knows that Poles and Lithuanians murdered their jews ?
    Who knows the jewish declaration of war on Hitler Germany in 1933 ?

    Poles : Jan T. Gross, ‘Neighbours, The Destruction of the Jewish Community in Jedwabne, Poland, 1941’, 2003, London
    Lithuanians, with pictures: Christopher R. Browning, ‘Ordinary Men, Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland’, 1992, 2001, London
    and, no pictures: Dan Jacobson, ‘Heshels Rijk Familiekroniek’, Amsterdam 1998
    , @Rurik
    Thank you Dissident,

    I am generally contextually informed by Douglas Reed’s “Controversy of Zion“.

     
    I've perused it as well, and mean to have a closer look. Sometimes I feel a little burned out on the subject.

    actions against dissidents of the National Socialist regime, at the time:

     

    they had good reason for not wanting to lose that war, and consequent events have shown they were quite right about that.

    Indeed, after it's all said and done, it seems they were far too gentle with their enemies.

    come to dominate many institutions
     
    I believe more so after Germany was betrayed and forced to sign away the German people into slavery. Once Germany was on its knees, then they poured in and bought up the place at 'pennies on the dollar'. It was during the Weimar regime that the Jews really put it to the Germans.

    But you're right, Germany was betrayed not only by Perfidious Albion, but by perfidious Woodrow Wilson as well. Fourteen Points my arse.

    were noticeably less negatively affected
     
    less effected, because they were the ones lording it over Germany, and treating the starving German people as their chattel.

    a large number of ‘jews’ along with the majority of other officially recognized dissident groups, were subject to mass assassinations, and/or internship.
     
    Germany's main enemy were the Bolsheviks, who had just starved Ukraine's most successful farmers to death by the millions, and obviously had every intention of doing the same thing to Germany. Hitler and Stalin were ideological polar opposites. Stalin hated people of ability, as he considered ability an unjustified privilege that providence had not distributed equally, and wanted to machine gun every man, woman and child that might one day be independently successful on their own, and hurt other people's feelings who weren't cabable of such things.

    At least that's how I sort of see it, as it's the fundamental motivating principle we see today destroying Western civilization. By what right to the people of the West have to create such superior societies? Did they make their DNA? Or are the German people simply born being industrious and hard working? If they were simply born tall and blond and intelligent, then they had no personal hand in it. "They didn't build that'. And so by what right do they have to flaunt their success? The people who say, "you didn't build that', would like to make everyone equal, no matter the methods. This is the same motivating principle that created the Soviet Union, and Red China, and the Khmer Rouge, and all the other regimes based on equality of outcome. Envy. Burning envy that turns to murderous hatred.

    (I know I'm sort of ranting now, but I do often do that ; )

    were subject to mass assassinations, and/or internship.
     
    yes, commies were shot on sight, as well they should have been. What the commies did to their victims, both before and after WWII, is an enormity so heinous that it defies comprehension.

    But like I said, envy.. I suspect more than any other human foible, can lead man to such levels of demonic hatred, as to confound the very Gods.

    4. It is quite likely that 200K-300K self-identifying ‘jews’ were murdered, among the overall number of 1.25M-1.5M political assassinations carried out by the National Socialist regime between 1933-1945.
     
    I'm not an historian, so I really haven't poured over the minutia. But I know a lot of Jews and others that the National Socialist considered existential enemies, (often with good reason) were summarily shot, or otherwise executed.

    I have no idea about the actual numbers, but I also would consider it consistent with what I've glimmered, to believe that a certain number of innocent Jews were also murdered, for no other reason than because they were Jews. (just as millions of German civilians were murdered after the war was over, for no other reason than because they were German) Indeed, it seems the idea that racism per se was the reason so many opposed the Nazis, is a foul and vicious lie. Because if so, then German children (for God's sake!) would not have been subject to so much persecution or death, simply because they happen to have been born German (or half German in the case of Norway). The point it seems to me of the war, wasn't to oppose racism, but to simply make the Germans suffer the racism of the Allies and Jews, rather than the other way around.

    Ranting again. -sigh-

    became only about ‘the jews’, and subsequently ,during my lifetime, the entire WWII became about ‘the jews’.
     
    isn't everything?

    marginalize and criminalize anyone who would even suggest opening such objective and fact-based discussions
     
    that's because their whole narratives, both vis-a-vis WWII and Palestine.. are lies-

    = Devil's lies intended to make their victims look like the villains, and their villainy look like victimization. They have to keep the dishonest paradigm in place, or their house of lies falls down. And with it, well.. providence can only say.

    Try to work some facts about the method of the subversion of history in your commentary.
     
    I do so, I believe on occasion, and indeed, part of my whole shtick is pointing out theirs (and other's) Satanic lies and treachery. And attempting in some small way to oppose more of their evil wars and serial atrocities and Orwellian horrors they have in mind for us.

    Rock on.

     

    You too my friend!
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  • @Wally
    Nothing is the matter, I win as usual.
    Still owning you.
    Cheers.

    fake 'holocau$t' liar Elie Wiesel accused of sexual assault
    https://medium.com/@jblistman/when-i-was-nineteen-years-old-elie-wiesel-grabbed-my-ass-10370829c4bd

    www.codoh.com

    I just read Wiesel’s first book.
    Do not think he lied in this book, on the contrary, close reading confirms what for example Rassinier writes about Buchenwald and the satellite camp Dora, where V1′s and/or V2′s were built.
    But

    https://www.rt.com/news/417546-poland-holocaust-bill-israel/

    Cynics think that now Poland has become more or less prosperous Israel sees a new milk cow.

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  • @Sam J.
    I'm skeptical. I think it much more likely that they drowned in the Auschwitz swimming Pool. Pools are dangerous.

    http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/2005Photos/AuschwitzPool.jpg

    They couldn’t drown if they were busy playing in the Auschwitz orchestras, or enjoying dance performances.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  • @Varenik
    Fuck her and Kollerstrom.
    About a dozen of my family members died in the gas chambers.
    2 survived to tell the tale.
    NONE of my family wanted to nor received ANY restitution.
    The ditty is hateful and as far as I am concerned she could rot in jail till her miserable life is over.
    Did it ever occur to you, ignoramuses, that Unz might simply be doing the same thing Russians are doing with western propaganda - letting the idiots have their say for all Russians to see, judge and come to their own conclusions, the more ignorant and hateful those idiots are the better ?

    I’m skeptical. I think it much more likely that they drowned in the Auschwitz swimming Pool. Pools are dangerous.

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    They couldn't drown if they were busy playing in the Auschwitz orchestras, or enjoying dance performances.

    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qrMq4UkacC0/VOnChn_GzeI/AAAAAAAAAFw/B5asItM7siI/s1600/Auschwtiz-Camp-Choir.jpg

    http://www.jewishcleveland.org/news/blog/WomenOrchestra650w.jpg

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q9eqWtbhSII/VOnPlEil5eI/AAAAAAAAAGc/9eByL4kK6Gk/s1600/Stage-perfomance-at-Asuchwitz-1941-1944.jpg

    www.codoh.com

    , @Varenik
    I know what my relatives that survived told us.
    All you know is how to shit on others.
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  • @mcohen
    Being a jew i have been taught about the holocaust from an early age.Family members have been to yad vashem and auschwitz and i myself have met 3 holocaust survivors with numbers tattooed on there skin.The numbers do not matter really,whether it be 100 million people or only 1 person to me personally because i only needed to see the 3 numbers on those 3 people to know the truth.However what i do find interesting is the fact that 99% of so called "holocaust deniers" are in fact doing so to remind readers that the holocaust did occur and to do legitimate research for themselves.By creating doubt it encourages readers to dig deeper and it is then that the truth is revealed of what a terrible crime against humanity the holocaust was.Let us hope that if anything the holocaust will bring attention to all the crimes of humanity that have occured since the second world war.

    i myself have met 3 holocaust survivors with numbers tattooed on there skin.The numbers do not matter really,whether it be 100 million people or only 1 person to me personally because i only needed to see the 3 numbers on those 3 people to know the truth.

    So that’s what the Holocaust was about — tattoos. I remember the Israelis defending their forced tattoos of Palestinians because it was such an efficient security measure. They were finally embarrassed into stopping it because it raised questions about their incomparable suffering.

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  • @jilles dykstra
    http://www.bfmtv.com/international/au-parlement-allemand-une-survivante-d-auschwitz-denonce-le-virus-antisemite-1362941.html

    She, and her sister, survived Auschwitz and Bergen Belsen.
    She complains about anti semitism in the German parliament.
    How she cannot understand how Israel breeds antisemitism, I cannot understand.

    https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/01/30/vn----totale-instorting-dreigt-voor-gazastrook--/

    UN, total collapse is threatening Gaza

    How did she “survive” the alleged ‘pure death camp’ of Auschwitz if “the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on’?

    911 and the Holocaust: Cognitive Dissonance
    by Jim Rizoli

    https://codoh.com/library/document/5038/?lang=en

    http://www.codoh.com

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    Why do you think "the Germans tried" must mean "every armed German tried". Did you pass 6th grade?
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  • @Anon
    What’s the matter Wally? A little close to the bone?

    Nothing is the matter, I win as usual.
    Still owning you.
    Cheers.

    fake ‘holocau$t’ liar Elie Wiesel accused of sexual assault

    https://medium.com/@jblistman/when-i-was-nineteen-years-old-elie-wiesel-grabbed-my-ass-10370829c4bd

    http://www.codoh.com

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    I just read Wiesel's first book.
    Do not think he lied in this book, on the contrary, close reading confirms what for example Rassinier writes about Buchenwald and the satellite camp Dora, where V1's and/or V2's were built.
    But
    https://www.rt.com/news/417546-poland-holocaust-bill-israel/
    Cynics think that now Poland has become more or less prosperous Israel sees a new milk cow.
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  • @Χωρίς Ὄνομα
    Let me help you with the truth, although the Jews rarely appreciate the truth and usually propagate lies to cover more lies, anyway:

    #1. There is no such thing as "holocaust deniers" with or without the "so called" in front of it. There are however, legitimate skeptics who want to know the specifics of the so called Holocaust. And I say "so called" because who ever of you jews chose that word (describing what happened to the jewish people during WWII at the hands of German/Nazis) was either not very well educated or extremely foolish. The term "holocaust" is an ancient Greek word that means the complete burning of an offering to the Gods as a sign of "devoutness". In the jews case, it is totally and ridiculously NOT what happened. I and most normal people, do recognize that jews suffered during WWII. What we cannot accept thought is that some omnipresent force will come and punish us if we dare ask, anything about this sad historical event, that is not ...approved by the jews. And on top of that putting people to prison because they express a dissenting view is horrific. If you call us deniers then how about us calling you deniers also since you the jews deny a lot of things that we "gentiles" and especially Christians hold sacred. So own up to your sin and start behaving like mature and responsible human beings.

    #2. The research all these "deniers" do, actually prove, for the most part, that the official version of the so called "holocaust", the one promoted, sanctioned and protected by the omnipresent jewish organizations that monitor our lives, is not exactly how the jews say. And this is what terrifies the jews, that one day, parts or even the entire story will be proven a hoax and the entire "holocaust" edifice will collapse with a loud rumble. Revisionists, do not create any doubt at all. On the contrary, their goal is to clarify and explain how it all happened simply because the jewish story simply does not add up. I mean we understand that you jews feel you are superior and the chosen race but hey until your God comes back for the final judgement (or whatever you expect him to come for) you also have to accept that the rules of physics apply all the same to jews AND gentiles. So when the Kapos themselves claimed that they put 3-4 corpses in the crematorium oven and they were completely burned in about 20 minutes, please excuse us, we cannot believe that because even today 70 years later with modern and vastly more advanced technology it is widely known that a dead body requires 1-2 hours to be fully cremated. And this is only one of the lies (sorry, I meant "examples") where things simply just do not add up.

    #3. Finally, one of the main issues we have with the way the so called holocaust is promoted is the fact that the jews want us to believe that it was the singular most evil thing that ever happened in the world from its beginning and that it cannot be compared to anything else. Actually, most jews feel they have the rights, e.g. the Copyright to the word "holocaust" and if any other ethnic group dare to use it there is immediate persecution, through the jewish owned media, the government agencies, private jewish corporations, and why not, even at the legal level. So what you say, "Let us hope that if anything the holocaust will bring attention to all the crimes of humanity that have occured since the second world war." is highly hypocritical. Go tell that to the Polish people who called the Katyn massacre a Holocaust of the WWII polish elite or even before, during the Holodomor, the bolshevik imposed starvation or the Ukrainian people in the mid 20s and let's not forget that the majority of communist russian were jews.

    So please, spare us the lies, the misinformation and most importantly the hypocrisy. We know you well, that's why throughout the millennia we, gentiles, have been taking our precautions when dealing with you the duplicitous and subversive jews.

    http://www.bfmtv.com/international/au-parlement-allemand-une-survivante-d-auschwitz-denonce-le-virus-antisemite-1362941.html

    She, and her sister, survived Auschwitz and Bergen Belsen.
    She complains about anti semitism in the German parliament.
    How she cannot understand how Israel breeds antisemitism, I cannot understand.

    https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/01/30/vn—-totale-instorting-dreigt-voor-gazastrook–/

    UN, total collapse is threatening Gaza

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    How did she "survive" the alleged 'pure death camp' of Auschwitz if "the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on'?

    911 and the Holocaust: Cognitive Dissonance
    by Jim Rizoli
    https://codoh.com/library/document/5038/?lang=en
    https://youtu.be/aURDv-TggoU

    www.codoh.com
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  • @mcohen
    Being a jew i have been taught about the holocaust from an early age.Family members have been to yad vashem and auschwitz and i myself have met 3 holocaust survivors with numbers tattooed on there skin.The numbers do not matter really,whether it be 100 million people or only 1 person to me personally because i only needed to see the 3 numbers on those 3 people to know the truth.However what i do find interesting is the fact that 99% of so called "holocaust deniers" are in fact doing so to remind readers that the holocaust did occur and to do legitimate research for themselves.By creating doubt it encourages readers to dig deeper and it is then that the truth is revealed of what a terrible crime against humanity the holocaust was.Let us hope that if anything the holocaust will bring attention to all the crimes of humanity that have occured since the second world war.

    Let us hope that if anything the holocaust will bring attention to all the crimes of humanity that have occured since the second world war.

    I agree mcohen

    while the world has been obsessing over a minor detail of WWII, those of us in the ZUS have been forced to participate in a genuine atrocity against human reason and moral justice.

    We’ve been made a party to genocide, murder, theft, and oppression.

    We’ve seen our sailors killed in cowardly acts of treachery, and watched as our tax dollars are used to slaughter and terrorize children.

    These serial crimes against humanity must stop, and the criminals brought to justice. If WWII taught us anything, it’s that ‘might = right’, only in the realm of savages. And if there’s any shred of decency in us, we will condemn what’s happening in Palestine to our last dying breath. To do less would dishonor the 65 million souls (some of them innocent Jews) who perished so horrifically in that Jewish-imposed slaughter fest.

    Once WWII was over, first they came for the Palestinians…

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  • @Ilyana_Rozumova
    What we should so? Lough? Cry?
    Or maybe get upset a little bit?

    Knowledge is POWER! Spread the word, for the enemy hates The Truth.

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  • @Randal

    So which is it? Or is the former the only one worth exploring because it is one of the tiny percentage that involves Jews?
     
    The Chabloz case is a particularly egregious example of a minority identity lobby group seeking to extend the use of the Communications Act to suppress speech they want to see suppressed. Other aspects of that Act are widely used in other areas of speechcrime enforcement, some of them at least arguably more reasonable (because for instance they involve actual personal harassment and actual threats).

    But you knew that, of course. You just wanted to find a way you might be able to get away with misrepresenting the article as being inconsistent.

    Can you name the physically injured party in this case or anyone who has suffered financial loss because of Chabloz’s words or ‘actions’?

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  • @Tyrion 2
    Massive non sequitor from you...

    My job is to inform, not convince.

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  • @Wally
    Complete BS. You can't really be that stupid.
    Numbers matter. We hear the fake '6M Jews' every waking moment. The fake & very specifically stated '6M' is used to gain a numerical superiority, bragging rights, over other alleged 'genocides'. Your fake strawman arguments are typical Zionist lies. See the same '6M' crap from at least 1869 below.

    What does the Yad Vashem Fantasy Theme Park prove? Nothing, it's a contrived, laughable Potemkin Village. What's at Auschwitz that works for you. Crematorium basements that could not scientifically work as 'gas chambers' that they are alleged to be?
    How can there be endless "holocau$t survivors" when it's claimed that 'the Germans tried to kill every Jew that got their hands on'?

    The 'holocaust' is simply scientifically impossible.
    I challenge you to tell us how the laughable 'gas chambers supposedly worked, and to show us all the alleged enormous mass graves and the enormous alleged human remains that are supposedly in existence and supposedly known.

    You are simply a 'holocaust' religion fanatic.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
    Supremacist Jews have been pushing the '6,000,000' lie since at least 1869:
    http://balder.org/judea/billeder-judea/Scan-New-York-Times-Six-Million-Since-1869-Composite.jpg
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

    What’s the matter Wally? A little close to the bone?

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    Nothing is the matter, I win as usual.
    Still owning you.
    Cheers.

    fake 'holocau$t' liar Elie Wiesel accused of sexual assault
    https://medium.com/@jblistman/when-i-was-nineteen-years-old-elie-wiesel-grabbed-my-ass-10370829c4bd

    www.codoh.com

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  • This fear of freedom of speech is killing and destroying our planet faster than Climate Change. Any Intelligent Life from another planet seeing this destructive insanity would flee from our planet in one second. All the Halloween/Horror films can not compared to the Horror that is created from this fear of freedom of speech on our planet. It has to stop or we are going to destroy our planet. Here is a good video of the tragedy of our planet.

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  • @Cato
    Uhh... the article WAS inconsistent.

    No, it wasn’t (at least, assuming you are referring to the aspect highlighted by Tyrion2).

    I suppose since I’m not immediately aware of you having any particular track record of being notably partisan on the jewish issue, as I’ve noticed “Tyrion2″ being here regularly, I can’t just assume dishonesty as I did in his case, and I should presume an honest misunderstanding on your part, and attempt the tedious process of explaining what should stand for itself.

    Tyrion2 took two separate comments from the piece and tried to exploit a seeming contradiction based upon the superficial opposition of “the only artist in modern British history to have been…” and “at least nine people a day were being arrested in the UK on such dubious grounds.”

    In reality of course, the former is a (so far unique) member of a subset of the latter overall category, notably distinct and far more egregious for its particular characteristics – namely, but not only, those highlighted in the first quote. This should be obvious from the only plausible reading of the referent for “such dubious grounds”, which clearly referred to the contents of the immediately preceding paragraph, which discussed the wider use of the relevant section of the Communications Act.

    There were, reportedly, nine people a day being arrested on the basis of supposed offences under S.127 of the Communications Act, including all kinds of alleged personal harassment and supposed abuse. But there has only ever been one case that we know of in which a performer has been arrested and charged under this section merely for uploading songs to the internet – Alison Chabloz, and this case clearly represents a massive attempted extension of the use of the powers under this Act into whole new areas of censorship.

    Does that clear it up for you?

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  • @mcohen
    Being a jew i have been taught about the holocaust from an early age.Family members have been to yad vashem and auschwitz and i myself have met 3 holocaust survivors with numbers tattooed on there skin.The numbers do not matter really,whether it be 100 million people or only 1 person to me personally because i only needed to see the 3 numbers on those 3 people to know the truth.However what i do find interesting is the fact that 99% of so called "holocaust deniers" are in fact doing so to remind readers that the holocaust did occur and to do legitimate research for themselves.By creating doubt it encourages readers to dig deeper and it is then that the truth is revealed of what a terrible crime against humanity the holocaust was.Let us hope that if anything the holocaust will bring attention to all the crimes of humanity that have occured since the second world war.

    Complete BS. You can’t really be that stupid.
    Numbers matter. We hear the fake ’6M Jews’ every waking moment. The fake & very specifically stated ’6M’ is used to gain a numerical superiority, bragging rights, over other alleged ‘genocides’. Your fake strawman arguments are typical Zionist lies. See the same ’6M’ crap from at least 1869 below.

    What does the Yad Vashem Fantasy Theme Park prove? Nothing, it’s a contrived, laughable Potemkin Village. What’s at Auschwitz that works for you. Crematorium basements that could not scientifically work as ‘gas chambers’ that they are alleged to be?
    How can there be endless “holocau$t survivors” when it’s claimed that ‘the Germans tried to kill every Jew that got their hands on’?

    The ‘holocaust’ is simply scientifically impossible.
    I challenge you to tell us how the laughable ‘gas chambers supposedly worked, and to show us all the alleged enormous mass graves and the enormous alleged human remains that are supposedly in existence and supposedly known.

    You are simply a ‘holocaust’ religion fanatic.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    Supremacist Jews have been pushing the ’6,000,000′ lie since at least 1869:http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

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    What’s the matter Wally? A little close to the bone?
    , @Anonymous
    What do you make of all those references to 6 million Wally? And, to start with, 1. how many refetences to numbers of Jews were there in the NYT? 2. What other numbers were quoted and how often? 3. What numbers were quoted in that period by other newspapers? 4. Have you any idea how much journalists used to tely on their own paper's archives and cuttings files for what the sub-editors allowed them to pass off as fact?
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  • @Χωρίς Ὄνομα
    Let me help you with the truth, although the Jews rarely appreciate the truth and usually propagate lies to cover more lies, anyway:

    #1. There is no such thing as "holocaust deniers" with or without the "so called" in front of it. There are however, legitimate skeptics who want to know the specifics of the so called Holocaust. And I say "so called" because who ever of you jews chose that word (describing what happened to the jewish people during WWII at the hands of German/Nazis) was either not very well educated or extremely foolish. The term "holocaust" is an ancient Greek word that means the complete burning of an offering to the Gods as a sign of "devoutness". In the jews case, it is totally and ridiculously NOT what happened. I and most normal people, do recognize that jews suffered during WWII. What we cannot accept thought is that some omnipresent force will come and punish us if we dare ask, anything about this sad historical event, that is not ...approved by the jews. And on top of that putting people to prison because they express a dissenting view is horrific. If you call us deniers then how about us calling you deniers also since you the jews deny a lot of things that we "gentiles" and especially Christians hold sacred. So own up to your sin and start behaving like mature and responsible human beings.

    #2. The research all these "deniers" do, actually prove, for the most part, that the official version of the so called "holocaust", the one promoted, sanctioned and protected by the omnipresent jewish organizations that monitor our lives, is not exactly how the jews say. And this is what terrifies the jews, that one day, parts or even the entire story will be proven a hoax and the entire "holocaust" edifice will collapse with a loud rumble. Revisionists, do not create any doubt at all. On the contrary, their goal is to clarify and explain how it all happened simply because the jewish story simply does not add up. I mean we understand that you jews feel you are superior and the chosen race but hey until your God comes back for the final judgement (or whatever you expect him to come for) you also have to accept that the rules of physics apply all the same to jews AND gentiles. So when the Kapos themselves claimed that they put 3-4 corpses in the crematorium oven and they were completely burned in about 20 minutes, please excuse us, we cannot believe that because even today 70 years later with modern and vastly more advanced technology it is widely known that a dead body requires 1-2 hours to be fully cremated. And this is only one of the lies (sorry, I meant "examples") where things simply just do not add up.

    #3. Finally, one of the main issues we have with the way the so called holocaust is promoted is the fact that the jews want us to believe that it was the singular most evil thing that ever happened in the world from its beginning and that it cannot be compared to anything else. Actually, most jews feel they have the rights, e.g. the Copyright to the word "holocaust" and if any other ethnic group dare to use it there is immediate persecution, through the jewish owned media, the government agencies, private jewish corporations, and why not, even at the legal level. So what you say, "Let us hope that if anything the holocaust will bring attention to all the crimes of humanity that have occured since the second world war." is highly hypocritical. Go tell that to the Polish people who called the Katyn massacre a Holocaust of the WWII polish elite or even before, during the Holodomor, the bolshevik imposed starvation or the Ukrainian people in the mid 20s and let's not forget that the majority of communist russian were jews.

    So please, spare us the lies, the misinformation and most importantly the hypocrisy. We know you well, that's why throughout the millennia we, gentiles, have been taking our precautions when dealing with you the duplicitous and subversive jews.

    I completely agree.
    Nobody denies that jews were deported, sometimes cruelly, and died after deportation.

    The Netherlands had some 120.000 jews, of which some 20.000 foreign, recently fled mainly from Germany.
    The 20.000 mostly went into hiding, and mostly survived, not so the Frank family, of which Anne was put to work, sorting batteries, who died of typhoid.
    The 100.000 were deported, about 5.000 came back alive.

    Now why they were deported is quite clear, in 1939 Hitler threatenend jewry that ‘if they again began a world war, they would be ausgerottet’.
    There is much debate about what at the time ausrotten meant, it may have meant deportation to Madagascar, had Germany won the war.

    Dying after deportion, no need of gas chambers.
    Just under nourishment for those who were not part of the camp management, as even Elie Wiesel describes in his first book.
    Wiesel never saw a gas chamber, he saw the chimneys of the crematoria.

    Kogon survived seven years in a camp, as an Austrian.
    He was one of the first, therefore part of the camp management, though it needs close reading to conclude this from his book.

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  • @Anon
    Wanting to jail people for their free speech doesn't make me feel any sympathy for your point of view. If someone said I hate white people, I would not want to jail them. That's their right to mouth off. You don't get to jail people because you don't like what they say. Jailing is an extreme step in response to a mild provocation.

    It is not even a provocation. It is simply an opinion. Opinions are like …(you know what). Everyone has one! And jailing someone for her/his opinion is a fascist act. Ideas cannot be criminalized, especially when they become words, because an idea that is not externalized is not an idea. It is simply a personal thought. Western civilization is based on that. The expression of our thoughts into ideas. Of course the jews who never got involved or interested in contributing something in Western Civilization, have no appreciation for all this. They expect us “goy” to have thoughts which we are scared to externalize. And perhaps it is understandable why they act in such a foolishly self-centered way, but we on the other hand are not going -no matter what- to accept it.

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  • @mcohen
    Being a jew i have been taught about the holocaust from an early age.Family members have been to yad vashem and auschwitz and i myself have met 3 holocaust survivors with numbers tattooed on there skin.The numbers do not matter really,whether it be 100 million people or only 1 person to me personally because i only needed to see the 3 numbers on those 3 people to know the truth.However what i do find interesting is the fact that 99% of so called "holocaust deniers" are in fact doing so to remind readers that the holocaust did occur and to do legitimate research for themselves.By creating doubt it encourages readers to dig deeper and it is then that the truth is revealed of what a terrible crime against humanity the holocaust was.Let us hope that if anything the holocaust will bring attention to all the crimes of humanity that have occured since the second world war.

    Let me help you with the truth, although the Jews rarely appreciate the truth and usually propagate lies to cover more lies, anyway:

    #1. There is no such thing as “holocaust deniers” with or without the “so called” in front of it. There are however, legitimate skeptics who want to know the specifics of the so called Holocaust. And I say “so called” because who ever of you jews chose that word (describing what happened to the jewish people during WWII at the hands of German/Nazis) was either not very well educated or extremely foolish. The term “holocaust” is an ancient Greek word that means the complete burning of an offering to the Gods as a sign of “devoutness”. In the jews case, it is totally and ridiculously NOT what happened. I and most normal people, do recognize that jews suffered during WWII. What we cannot accept thought is that some omnipresent force will come and punish us if we dare ask, anything about this sad historical event, that is not …approved by the jews. And on top of that putting people to prison because they express a dissenting view is horrific. If you call us deniers then how about us calling you deniers also since you the jews deny a lot of things that we “gentiles” and especially Christians hold sacred. So own up to your sin and start behaving like mature and responsible human beings.

    #2. The research all these “deniers” do, actually prove, for the most part, that the official version of the so called “holocaust”, the one promoted, sanctioned and protected by the omnipresent jewish organizations that monitor our lives, is not exactly how the jews say. And this is what terrifies the jews, that one day, parts or even the entire story will be proven a hoax and the entire “holocaust” edifice will collapse with a loud rumble. Revisionists, do not create any doubt at all. On the contrary, their goal is to clarify and explain how it all happened simply because the jewish story simply does not add up. I mean we understand that you jews feel you are superior and the chosen race but hey until your God comes back for the final judgement (or whatever you expect him to come for) you also have to accept that the rules of physics apply all the same to jews AND gentiles. So when the Kapos themselves claimed that they put 3-4 corpses in the crematorium oven and they were completely burned in about 20 minutes, please excuse us, we cannot believe that because even today 70 years later with modern and vastly more advanced technology it is widely known that a dead body requires 1-2 hours to be fully cremated. And this is only one of the lies (sorry, I meant “examples”) where things simply just do not add up.

    #3. Finally, one of the main issues we have with the way the so called holocaust is promoted is the fact that the jews want us to believe that it was the singular most evil thing that ever happened in the world from its beginning and that it cannot be compared to anything else. Actually, most jews feel they have the rights, e.g. the Copyright to the word “holocaust” and if any other ethnic group dare to use it there is immediate persecution, through the jewish owned media, the government agencies, private jewish corporations, and why not, even at the legal level. So what you say, “Let us hope that if anything the holocaust will bring attention to all the crimes of humanity that have occured since the second world war.” is highly hypocritical. Go tell that to the Polish people who called the Katyn massacre a Holocaust of the WWII polish elite or even before, during the Holodomor, the bolshevik imposed starvation or the Ukrainian people in the mid 20s and let’s not forget that the majority of communist russian were jews.

    So please, spare us the lies, the misinformation and most importantly the hypocrisy. We know you well, that’s why throughout the millennia we, gentiles, have been taking our precautions when dealing with you the duplicitous and subversive jews.

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    I completely agree.
    Nobody denies that jews were deported, sometimes cruelly, and died after deportation.

    The Netherlands had some 120.000 jews, of which some 20.000 foreign, recently fled mainly from Germany.
    The 20.000 mostly went into hiding, and mostly survived, not so the Frank family, of which Anne was put to work, sorting batteries, who died of typhoid.
    The 100.000 were deported, about 5.000 came back alive.

    Now why they were deported is quite clear, in 1939 Hitler threatenend jewry that 'if they again began a world war, they would be ausgerottet'.
    There is much debate about what at the time ausrotten meant, it may have meant deportation to Madagascar, had Germany won the war.

    Dying after deportion, no need of gas chambers.
    Just under nourishment for those who were not part of the camp management, as even Elie Wiesel describes in his first book.
    Wiesel never saw a gas chamber, he saw the chimneys of the crematoria.

    Kogon survived seven years in a camp, as an Austrian.
    He was one of the first, therefore part of the camp management, though it needs close reading to conclude this from his book.
    , @jilles dykstra
    http://www.bfmtv.com/international/au-parlement-allemand-une-survivante-d-auschwitz-denonce-le-virus-antisemite-1362941.html

    She, and her sister, survived Auschwitz and Bergen Belsen.
    She complains about anti semitism in the German parliament.
    How she cannot understand how Israel breeds antisemitism, I cannot understand.

    https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/01/30/vn----totale-instorting-dreigt-voor-gazastrook--/

    UN, total collapse is threatening Gaza

    , @Wizard of Oz
    It is worth considering the laws against Holocaust denial in the light of changing sensibilities about bullying. When I was young the idea of laws and programs against bullying would have been laughed or sneered at and bullying justbtreated as something you just confronted and stared down or criticised as a friend of the bullied.

    Also having lived through decades of increasing sophistication in all sorts of antisocial activity of which tax avoidance comes to mind i suggest that we might have to fight back against powerful bullies or simply persistent creeps who take advantage of the limitations of simple rules. If you have the money snd stamina to overwhelm careful scrupulous argument with sheer repetition of scurrilous simplicitieswhat's to be done? Supposing Wahabi imams got the Saudi royals to put up money so that small Coptic communities everywhere could be verbally persecuted is First Amendment purity the right standard?
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  • @Michael Kenny
    Have the British become extinct? First we have Jayda Fransen, then Jack Sengupta, now Alison Chabloz and Nicholas Kollerstrom, all claiming to be “British” but none of whom have a British, name. Where have all the British gone?

    They have been replaced with immigrants; from former colonies. I call that ironic.

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  • Prosecuting people for having a different opinion of the Second World War and satirizing events in those years is a form of insanity. It is as if half the population adheres to an invisible politically correct law. The truth does not need a law to enforce it. But, lies and liars do. Also, I think Alison Chabloz is wonderful.

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  • Being a jew i have been taught about the holocaust from an early age.Family members have been to yad vashem and auschwitz and i myself have met 3 holocaust survivors with numbers tattooed on there skin.The numbers do not matter really,whether it be 100 million people or only 1 person to me personally because i only needed to see the 3 numbers on those 3 people to know the truth.However what i do find interesting is the fact that 99% of so called “holocaust deniers” are in fact doing so to remind readers that the holocaust did occur and to do legitimate research for themselves.By creating doubt it encourages readers to dig deeper and it is then that the truth is revealed of what a terrible crime against humanity the holocaust was.Let us hope that if anything the holocaust will bring attention to all the crimes of humanity that have occured since the second world war.

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    • Replies: @Χωρίς Ὄνομα
    Let me help you with the truth, although the Jews rarely appreciate the truth and usually propagate lies to cover more lies, anyway:

    #1. There is no such thing as "holocaust deniers" with or without the "so called" in front of it. There are however, legitimate skeptics who want to know the specifics of the so called Holocaust. And I say "so called" because who ever of you jews chose that word (describing what happened to the jewish people during WWII at the hands of German/Nazis) was either not very well educated or extremely foolish. The term "holocaust" is an ancient Greek word that means the complete burning of an offering to the Gods as a sign of "devoutness". In the jews case, it is totally and ridiculously NOT what happened. I and most normal people, do recognize that jews suffered during WWII. What we cannot accept thought is that some omnipresent force will come and punish us if we dare ask, anything about this sad historical event, that is not ...approved by the jews. And on top of that putting people to prison because they express a dissenting view is horrific. If you call us deniers then how about us calling you deniers also since you the jews deny a lot of things that we "gentiles" and especially Christians hold sacred. So own up to your sin and start behaving like mature and responsible human beings.

    #2. The research all these "deniers" do, actually prove, for the most part, that the official version of the so called "holocaust", the one promoted, sanctioned and protected by the omnipresent jewish organizations that monitor our lives, is not exactly how the jews say. And this is what terrifies the jews, that one day, parts or even the entire story will be proven a hoax and the entire "holocaust" edifice will collapse with a loud rumble. Revisionists, do not create any doubt at all. On the contrary, their goal is to clarify and explain how it all happened simply because the jewish story simply does not add up. I mean we understand that you jews feel you are superior and the chosen race but hey until your God comes back for the final judgement (or whatever you expect him to come for) you also have to accept that the rules of physics apply all the same to jews AND gentiles. So when the Kapos themselves claimed that they put 3-4 corpses in the crematorium oven and they were completely burned in about 20 minutes, please excuse us, we cannot believe that because even today 70 years later with modern and vastly more advanced technology it is widely known that a dead body requires 1-2 hours to be fully cremated. And this is only one of the lies (sorry, I meant "examples") where things simply just do not add up.

    #3. Finally, one of the main issues we have with the way the so called holocaust is promoted is the fact that the jews want us to believe that it was the singular most evil thing that ever happened in the world from its beginning and that it cannot be compared to anything else. Actually, most jews feel they have the rights, e.g. the Copyright to the word "holocaust" and if any other ethnic group dare to use it there is immediate persecution, through the jewish owned media, the government agencies, private jewish corporations, and why not, even at the legal level. So what you say, "Let us hope that if anything the holocaust will bring attention to all the crimes of humanity that have occured since the second world war." is highly hypocritical. Go tell that to the Polish people who called the Katyn massacre a Holocaust of the WWII polish elite or even before, during the Holodomor, the bolshevik imposed starvation or the Ukrainian people in the mid 20s and let's not forget that the majority of communist russian were jews.

    So please, spare us the lies, the misinformation and most importantly the hypocrisy. We know you well, that's why throughout the millennia we, gentiles, have been taking our precautions when dealing with you the duplicitous and subversive jews.

    , @Wally
    Complete BS. You can't really be that stupid.
    Numbers matter. We hear the fake '6M Jews' every waking moment. The fake & very specifically stated '6M' is used to gain a numerical superiority, bragging rights, over other alleged 'genocides'. Your fake strawman arguments are typical Zionist lies. See the same '6M' crap from at least 1869 below.

    What does the Yad Vashem Fantasy Theme Park prove? Nothing, it's a contrived, laughable Potemkin Village. What's at Auschwitz that works for you. Crematorium basements that could not scientifically work as 'gas chambers' that they are alleged to be?
    How can there be endless "holocau$t survivors" when it's claimed that 'the Germans tried to kill every Jew that got their hands on'?

    The 'holocaust' is simply scientifically impossible.
    I challenge you to tell us how the laughable 'gas chambers supposedly worked, and to show us all the alleged enormous mass graves and the enormous alleged human remains that are supposedly in existence and supposedly known.

    You are simply a 'holocaust' religion fanatic.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
    Supremacist Jews have been pushing the '6,000,000' lie since at least 1869:
    http://balder.org/judea/billeder-judea/Scan-New-York-Times-Six-Million-Since-1869-Composite.jpg
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

    , @Rurik

    Let us hope that if anything the holocaust will bring attention to all the crimes of humanity that have occured since the second world war.
     
    I agree mcohen

    while the world has been obsessing over a minor detail of WWII, those of us in the ZUS have been forced to participate in a genuine atrocity against human reason and moral justice.

    We've been made a party to genocide, murder, theft, and oppression.

    We've seen our sailors killed in cowardly acts of treachery, and watched as our tax dollars are used to slaughter and terrorize children.

    These serial crimes against humanity must stop, and the criminals brought to justice. If WWII taught us anything, it's that 'might = right', only in the realm of savages. And if there's any shred of decency in us, we will condemn what's happening in Palestine to our last dying breath. To do less would dishonor the 65 million souls (some of them innocent Jews) who perished so horrifically in that Jewish-imposed slaughter fest.

    Once WWII was over, first they came for the Palestinians...

    , @sarz

    i myself have met 3 holocaust survivors with numbers tattooed on there skin.The numbers do not matter really,whether it be 100 million people or only 1 person to me personally because i only needed to see the 3 numbers on those 3 people to know the truth.
     
    So that's what the Holocaust was about -- tattoos. I remember the Israelis defending their forced tattoos of Palestinians because it was such an efficient security measure. They were finally embarrassed into stopping it because it raised questions about their incomparable suffering.
    , @Anonymous
    It certainly encouraged me to dig deeper... and now I'm of the opinion that the attempted genocide of the Jews is a total fabrication and that Auschwitz was a genuine labour camp in which the primary goal was useful economic output.
    , @Paul C.
    A few questions...

    Did the 3 "survivors" confirm that there was mass genocide of Jews?
    If so, how did they escape?
    What proof can you cite that the gassing and mass genocide occurred?
    Do you feel that those researching the Holocaust and providing contrary evidence should not be allowed to and that this is a jailable offense?

    I look forward to your response and evidence.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    I would be interested to know why a person would be required to be tattooed prior to being murdered and burned or buried? I can understand why a tattoo might be used to keep track of an enslaved living person or persons, horrible as that is, but that would contradict you claims. Kindly give it a go...
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  • @Randal

    So which is it? Or is the former the only one worth exploring because it is one of the tiny percentage that involves Jews?
     
    The Chabloz case is a particularly egregious example of a minority identity lobby group seeking to extend the use of the Communications Act to suppress speech they want to see suppressed. Other aspects of that Act are widely used in other areas of speechcrime enforcement, some of them at least arguably more reasonable (because for instance they involve actual personal harassment and actual threats).

    But you knew that, of course. You just wanted to find a way you might be able to get away with misrepresenting the article as being inconsistent.

    Uhh… the article WAS inconsistent.

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    No, it wasn't (at least, assuming you are referring to the aspect highlighted by Tyrion2).

    I suppose since I'm not immediately aware of you having any particular track record of being notably partisan on the jewish issue, as I've noticed "Tyrion2" being here regularly, I can't just assume dishonesty as I did in his case, and I should presume an honest misunderstanding on your part, and attempt the tedious process of explaining what should stand for itself.

    Tyrion2 took two separate comments from the piece and tried to exploit a seeming contradiction based upon the superficial opposition of "the only artist in modern British history to have been..." and "at least nine people a day were being arrested in the UK on such dubious grounds."

    In reality of course, the former is a (so far unique) member of a subset of the latter overall category, notably distinct and far more egregious for its particular characteristics - namely, but not only, those highlighted in the first quote. This should be obvious from the only plausible reading of the referent for "such dubious grounds", which clearly referred to the contents of the immediately preceding paragraph, which discussed the wider use of the relevant section of the Communications Act.

    There were, reportedly, nine people a day being arrested on the basis of supposed offences under S.127 of the Communications Act, including all kinds of alleged personal harassment and supposed abuse. But there has only ever been one case that we know of in which a performer has been arrested and charged under this section merely for uploading songs to the internet - Alison Chabloz, and this case clearly represents a massive attempted extension of the use of the powers under this Act into whole new areas of censorship.

    Does that clear it up for you?
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  • my position has not altered one whit since I’ve been posting to this site (for years now)

    You say that proudly like it’s a good thing.

    But it’s not.

    the reason my position has not changed isn’t, as you suggest, because I’m cognitively rigid, but rather because I’ve seen no cogent augments to the contrary.

    I see that whenever you get cornered in a debate, you start trotting out straw men.

    ad hominem much?

    The revisionist position on the Holocaust is most certainly not that no Jews were forcibly deported to camps or that these people did not suffer terribly. That’s a pure straw man.

    did I ever say that? Or is your straw man charge a straw man?

    Anyway, you said that you were going to answer this at some point… you’ve had half a year to think about it:

    In your considered opinion, is it possible for hundreds of women to be sexually assaulted in a wide open public place like the Cologne …

    OMG

    obsess much?

    main railway station in a single night and for there to be absolutely ZERO visual evidence, i.e. photos or video that is consistent with the narrative?

    It’s a very narrow question.

    I’ve already answered this ad nauseam

    I never claimed to have any proof that women were raped, only that I suspected- that due to the brouhaha in the media, that it was possible that many women had been grabbed by the ass or breasts during the celebrations.

    I do not consider the dearth of video evidence as proof that it never happened. As you seem to. You’re welcome to your theory, I’m really not that concerned about it. I don’t consider the specific events in Cologne, Germany on NYE to be of any more significance than the rest of the events going on around the world. In fact, I can say with near perfect certainly, that until you brought it up, I hadn’t thought about it since we last spoke of it. For you it apparently has vast significance, and I give you every right to feel that way. For me it doesn’t, so perhaps you’ll return the favor.

    the event produce ZERO visuals. So it didn’t happen. Period.

    fine

    good. No problem.

    And really, there’s a common thread here. It is also not possible for millions of people to be gassed to death…

    Really?

    I have made several posts to this thread. Nowhere on this thread, and indeed never in any of my posts to the Unz Review have I ever stated or otherwise suggested that ‘millions of people’ were ever ‘gassed to death’.

    Never.

    you mention straw man at the beginning of your comment, and then build the biggest one I might have ever seen.

    So again, it didn’t happen and that’s that.

    ahh, but there’s the rub. Because I suspect that once the gas chambers ruse is finally put to rest, like the soap and lampshades have basically been, that it won’t mean that there was no Holocaust. They’ll simply say that yes, millions of Jews were killed for no other reason than because they were Jews- by racist evil Nazis hell bent on taking over the world. They’ll just sort of alter the narrative to leave out the gas chambers part, like they quietly removed a few million from the numbers dead at Auschwitz. just as they’re letting the soap and lampshades and shrunken heads sort of fade away.

    Things that are impossible simply did not happen.

    are you saying that no woman in Col0gn that night so much as had her ass grabbed? Because it sort of seems like that what you’re saying. Or at least that if one did have her ass grabbed, that it must have been a German man who did it, because if it was a refugee, then there’d be video or photo evidence? No video, it never happened?

    And certainly, people should not resort to insults and straw men when they get cornered on these things.

    lol

    And again, that you have participated for years and your views have not changed — that is NOT something to be proud of.

    they have not changed vis-a-vis the Holocaust. In that narrow context. In ways too far and wide ranging to list here, they have changed in significant and profound ways.

    I can’t even begin to state how manifestly humbled I’ve been to be introduced to the truths and wisdoms I’ve glimmered here from so many people far more wise and knowledgeable than myself.

    It’s been a lot of fun, and a lot of moments of ineffable gratitude to so many, and I’ll even take this opportunity to say thank you! All of you.

    Even you JR. Your Ludwig/Pakwick moment was a great insight. I know I just butchered the word, but you know what I’m talking about. Also your synthetic, Rodger Rabbit event was really good too, as was your HIQI.

    I’d have to be the biggest fool on the planet to have spent so much time here without changing my mind about some things. Come on now.

    But as to the Holocaust, well, I pretty much spelled out how I see it on this thread, and you can read it if you’re so inclined. My thinking on the subject has not changed.

    cheers

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  • @Rurik

    So you now consider yourself a Revisionist?
     
    my position has not altered one whit since I've been posting to this site (for years now)

    but you guys just don't do nuance, do you?

    it's either the cartoon idiocy that the Holocaust happened exactly as ((they)) say it did,

    or the other cartoon idiocy from the other idiot camp that seems to suggest that 'none of it happened and it was ALL a total hoax'


    I answered your ‘definition of’ question with the assumption your were a True Believer.
    See that response.
     
    I missed that

    please explain for the general edification of all

    my position has not altered one whit since I’ve been posting to this site (for years now)

    You say that proudly like it’s a good thing.

    But it’s not.

    or the other cartoon idiocy from the other idiot camp that seems to suggest that ‘none of it happened and it was ALL a total hoax’

    I see that whenever you get cornered in a debate, you start trotting out straw men. The above is nothing but a straw man. The revisionist position on the Holocaust is most certainly not that no Jews were forcibly deported to camps or that these people did not suffer terribly. That’s a pure straw man.

    Anyway, you said that you were going to answer this at some point… you’ve had half a year to think about it:

    In your considered opinion, is it possible for hundreds of women to be sexually assaulted in a wide open public place like the Cologne main railway station in a single night and for there to be absolutely ZERO visual evidence, i.e. photos or video that is consistent with the narrative?

    It’s a very narrow question. It has nothing to do with something else in Zimbabwe or in Rotherham, England. Nothing. So you really can’t squirm out by starting to rant about some off-topic separate incident.

    As far as I can tell, what they are claiming happened on New Year’s Eve of 2015 in Cologne is simply impossible. You can’t have a mass event involving hundreds of people in an environment where everybody has a video camera in his pocket, and have the event produce ZERO visuals. So it didn’t happen. Period.

    And really, there’s a common thread here. It is also not possible for millions of people to be gassed to death with a specific poisonous agent and for there to be ZERO forensic evidence of this. Not with how fine-tuned forensic science is at this point in time. If there were a single bone fragment from one of the millions of people gassed, the cause of death would be demonstrable. A snippet of hair… But there really is just nothing.

    So again, it didn’t happen and that’s that. It has nothing to do with whether you like Jews or whether you are against immigration or any of these things. Things that are impossible simply did not happen.

    In any case, it’s not about you specifically. Really, it’s not. In general, people have to understand the difference between storytelling and real established facts. And people have to commit to being honest about these things. And certainly, people should not resort to insults and straw men when they get cornered on these things.

    And again, that you have participated for years and your views have not changed — that is NOT something to be proud of.

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  • @NoseytheDuke
    Who are you to judge who is a "crusader" for truth and what does that even mean? I don't recall Wally posting anything about Holy crosses, do you? I can't deny that Wally is repetitive but the simple truth is that whether by a monstrous lie or monstrous exaggeration the holocaust narrative has provided leverage for great crimes to be committed and then swept under the rug, many of them to the detriment of the American people. That makes some people angry. What's your story?

    Omg…

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Varenik
    You know nothing about " the opportunity it provides for sanctimonious shroud-waving, to blame modern political enemies for long past wrongs committed by other people, and to justify to yourself and others your desire for people who say things you dislike to suffer grossly disproportionate punishments merely for saying them, are clearly more than ample recompense."
    Nothing.
    Most of us never wanted any blood money or anything else, especially from or at the expense of the bigoted morons like you.

    May I point out something about this whole blood money business?

    The British, Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, and yes, even the Soviets, rescued Jews from the Germans. When you call an ambulance to rescue you, you have to pay them for the service.

    Morally speaking, Jews owe those people some money for pulling them out of trouble in World War II, but Jews never talk about that. Jews are not even thankful the Allies put a halt to the death camps and freed the inmates. All they do is complain.

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    The Soviets fought Germany in order to prevent the colonization and genocide that the Germans wanted to carry out on much of the Soviet population.

    If you're hitchhiking and an ambulance gives you a ride to the town that the ambulance was already going, it would be scummy of them to expect you to pay them the amount they would charge a patient they went out of their way to pick up and treat.
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  • @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965

    Does the Holocaust; by definition- depend on the sacred and holy number “six million”?

    if the actual number is five million perhaps, or five thousand murdered..

    then can it still be called the “Holocaust”?
     
    So basically what you are saying is that you are less concerned with the historical accuracy of the period arbitrarily referred to as 'the holocaust' than you are with whether or not there is even a formal definition of 'holocaust'?

    How many periods of history could we pointlessly question based on semantical scrutinization of the arbitrary terminology that we used to retrospectively refer to the historical period with. Was there really an Enlightenment in Europe? Is there a standardized definition for 'enlightenment'?

    The holocaust is simply the name Jews use for Hitler's SUPPOSED INTENT/EFFORT to genocide them. There is not 2 holocausts in history. And Jews themselves will be the first ones to tell you that. Just walk up to one of them and refer to some other genocide in history as a holocaust.

    At any rate, if that intent did not actually exist on the part of the Germans, then there is no circumstance in WWII that is fundamentally different from any other war/conflict in which one party puts another into a labor camp. No specific period of targeted Jewish massacre to which a label should be affixed for reasons of remembrance. And to claim otherwise in spite of having no actual evidence would be to perpetuate a hoax, a lie, a fiction.

    The actual numbers don’t matter
     
    That's where you are 110% wrong. The actual numbers are all that matter. They are what is actual. They are the facts. They are not the semantics that you are disingenuously attempting to steer the conversation towards to get us away from discussing what actually matters, that being what actually happened.

    It's not important how we identify the period of history that we are reviewing. Whats important is whether or not that period was recorded factually.

    We require the same kind of definition of the Holocaust
     
    No we don't. There isn't 2 Holocausts to debate. The Holodomor is an entirely different event. Just because 'Holo- is prefixed to the identifying label used for both historical events does not mean that the rest of the word is the same too.

    Call it the Holocaust, call it WWII Europe, call it whatever the hell you want. It's irrelevant. Just an arbitrary name applied to a specific range of dates in a specific region of the world. Look at it like a non-fiction book. What matters is the accuracy of what's in the pages, not whether the title on the cover is standardized in some way.

    So basically what you are saying is that you are less concerned with the historical accuracy of the period arbitrarily referred to as ‘the holocaust’ than you are with whether or not there is even a formal definition of ‘holocaust’?

    I’m saying if it doesn’t have a definition, then it’s a waste of time to debate whether or not it happened.

    is that really that impossible to comprehend?

    How many periods of history could we pointlessly question based on semantical scrutinization of the arbitrary terminology that we used to retrospectively refer to the historical period with

    I provided a perfect example with the Holodomor, there are many, many more. Like the Trail of Tears for instance, or the Nakba. Did the Nakba happen? I bet there are some who would say no. That the Arabs just left because their leaders told them to, and that the Jews subsequently walked into their ancient homes- that were theirs all along anyways. So what’s the problem?

    I’ve even heard arguments to that effect! That it didn’t happen, because the Arabs willingly, at the behest of their leaders, left their homes and lands. And so when they did, their homes became the property of the Jews by default. IOW there was no Nakba.

    But these things have meaning, and you need to pin the meaning down, if you’re going to say it didn’t happen, or it did.

    You first have to know what the f *it* is, if your going to have the debate.

    The holocaust is simply the name Jews use for Hitler’s SUPPOSED INTENT/EFFORT to genocide them. There is not 2 holocausts in history. And Jews themselves will be the first ones to tell you that. Just walk up to one of them and refer to some other genocide in history as a holocaust.

    we’re getting somewhere!

    ‘intent and effort to genocide the Jews’

    OK, fine…

    but first off, the Jews have no problem admitting that other genocides have occurred, and that other holocausts have occurred. A holocaust is after all, a word with a meaning, and certainly what happened at Dresden or Waco are considered holocausts. But where the Jews are a stickler, is on the word with the capital letter; Holocaust. That they claim as their own, (even if many others like Catholics and homosexuals and Slavs also suffered/died)

    But all that aside, if you/we can all agree on your definition, then we can have a debate about whether or not it happened.

    (we’re getting somewhere!)

    Personally, have I seen any evidence that Hitler and the Nazis wanted to genocide all the Jews off the planet? No. So based on your definition, I would suggest there’s a very large dearth of proof that it happened. And that most of what we’ve been sold, have been lies, hysteria and propaganda. But at least we’d be able to debate it, since now we (finally) have a definition of what it is.

    whew

    At any rate, if that intent did not actually exist on the part of the Germans, then there is no circumstance in WWII that is fundamentally different from any other war/conflict in which one party puts another into a labor camp.

    I’d go you one further, and suggest that even it there was an intention to genocide, in much the same way the Amerindians were ‘genocided’ during the Trail of Tears, that for many Jews, their genocide is fundamentally and existentially different. I’d posit to you, that if the Amerindians (or Germans vis-a-vis the Morgenthau Plan, or Palestinians today) were all considered genocides, I believe that for many Jews, those others just don’t count in the same way. I’d posit that for many Jews, they consider the Holocaust to be an event that defined human history. That nothing has ever come close to its enormity, because it was don’t to them. And so all people of good will should all feel that the Holocaust was a uniquely historical event, because rather than the genocide of the Amerindian, or instance, or the genocide of the Palestinians, they believe that the Holocaust was different because it was (evil) men trying to kill God Himself. That is how they see themselves.

    True story ;)

    The actual numbers are all that matter. They are what is actual. They are the facts. They are not the semantics that you are disingenuously attempting to steer the conversation towards to get us away from discussing what actually matters, that being what actually happened.

    do the numbers of Ukrainian farmers and their famlies matter to decide whether or not the Holodomor happened?

    does it matter if it was seven million starved to death, or ten?

    does it matter whether it was 600,000 Palestinians that fled into the desert, or 700,000? In order to call the Nakba a genocide?

    Does it really matter to you whether six million Jews were murdered (simply for being Jews) during WWII, or six, in order for you to condemn the killing?

    what matters is not the numbers, but the intent. If the Soviets genocided the Ukrainians out of an ethnic hatred for their type, it don’t matter if it was seven or ten million. Just as it doesn’t matter to the debate over the Holocaust whether or not it was two hundred thousand or six million.

    No we don’t. There isn’t 2 Holocausts to debate. The Holodomor is an entirely different event. Just because ‘Holo- is prefixed to the identifying label used for both historical events does not mean that the rest of the word is the same too.

    are you really that stupid?

    Call it the Holocaust, call it WWII Europe, call it whatever the hell you want. It’s irrelevant. Just an arbitrary name applied to a specific range of dates in a specific region of the world. Look at it like a non-fiction book. What matters is the accuracy of what’s in the pages, not whether the title on the cover is standardized in some way.

    for the purposes of debate, and certainly if you’re debating whether or not it happened then a definition of what it is, is sine qua non to the debate.

    if you want to debate the minutia, then you can to kingdom come, but if you want to debate whether or not the Holocaust was a fraud and a hoax, as many here claim, then having a definition for what you’re suggesting never happened, is rudimentary.

    so, after all that, if we could all agree that what the Holocaust describes, was the intent of Nazi Germany to kill/genocide/murder all the Jews it could round up in Europe and beyond, and kill them all, then that’s starting point to talk about whether or not it actually was happening.

    From everything I’ve glimmered over the years, I’d say that based on that definition, it never happened, and if that’s the definition of the Holocaust, then yes, it was/is a hoax (and a monstrous blood libel against the German people)

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Varenik
    Fuck her and Kollerstrom.
    About a dozen of my family members died in the gas chambers.
    2 survived to tell the tale.
    NONE of my family wanted to nor received ANY restitution.
    The ditty is hateful and as far as I am concerned she could rot in jail till her miserable life is over.
    Did it ever occur to you, ignoramuses, that Unz might simply be doing the same thing Russians are doing with western propaganda - letting the idiots have their say for all Russians to see, judge and come to their own conclusions, the more ignorant and hateful those idiots are the better ?

    Wanting to jail people for their free speech doesn’t make me feel any sympathy for your point of view. If someone said I hate white people, I would not want to jail them. That’s their right to mouth off. You don’t get to jail people because you don’t like what they say. Jailing is an extreme step in response to a mild provocation.

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    It is not even a provocation. It is simply an opinion. Opinions are like ...(you know what). Everyone has one! And jailing someone for her/his opinion is a fascist act. Ideas cannot be criminalized, especially when they become words, because an idea that is not externalized is not an idea. It is simply a personal thought. Western civilization is based on that. The expression of our thoughts into ideas. Of course the jews who never got involved or interested in contributing something in Western Civilization, have no appreciation for all this. They expect us "goy" to have thoughts which we are scared to externalize. And perhaps it is understandable why they act in such a foolishly self-centered way, but we on the other hand are not going -no matter what- to accept it.
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  • @Varenik
    Fuck her and Kollerstrom.
    About a dozen of my family members died in the gas chambers.
    2 survived to tell the tale.
    NONE of my family wanted to nor received ANY restitution.
    The ditty is hateful and as far as I am concerned she could rot in jail till her miserable life is over.
    Did it ever occur to you, ignoramuses, that Unz might simply be doing the same thing Russians are doing with western propaganda - letting the idiots have their say for all Russians to see, judge and come to their own conclusions, the more ignorant and hateful those idiots are the better ?

    About a dozen? You don’t know? Is that a bakers dozen? We’re tiring of your lies, and your existence.

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  • @Wally
    Rurik:
    So you now consider yourself a Revisionist?
    If so, congratulations. Knowledge is freedom.

    I answered your 'definition of' question with the assumption your were a True Believer.
    See that response.

    www.codoh.com

    So you now consider yourself a Revisionist?

    my position has not altered one whit since I’ve been posting to this site (for years now)

    but you guys just don’t do nuance, do you?

    it’s either the cartoon idiocy that the Holocaust happened exactly as ((they)) say it did,

    or the other cartoon idiocy from the other idiot camp that seems to suggest that ‘none of it happened and it was ALL a total hoax’

    I answered your ‘definition of’ question with the assumption your were a True Believer.
    See that response.

    I missed that

    please explain for the general edification of all

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    my position has not altered one whit since I’ve been posting to this site (for years now)
     
    You say that proudly like it's a good thing.

    But it's not.

    or the other cartoon idiocy from the other idiot camp that seems to suggest that ‘none of it happened and it was ALL a total hoax’

     

    I see that whenever you get cornered in a debate, you start trotting out straw men. The above is nothing but a straw man. The revisionist position on the Holocaust is most certainly not that no Jews were forcibly deported to camps or that these people did not suffer terribly. That's a pure straw man.

    Anyway, you said that you were going to answer this at some point... you've had half a year to think about it:

    In your considered opinion, is it possible for hundreds of women to be sexually assaulted in a wide open public place like the Cologne main railway station in a single night and for there to be absolutely ZERO visual evidence, i.e. photos or video that is consistent with the narrative?

    It's a very narrow question. It has nothing to do with something else in Zimbabwe or in Rotherham, England. Nothing. So you really can't squirm out by starting to rant about some off-topic separate incident.

    As far as I can tell, what they are claiming happened on New Year's Eve of 2015 in Cologne is simply impossible. You can't have a mass event involving hundreds of people in an environment where everybody has a video camera in his pocket, and have the event produce ZERO visuals. So it didn't happen. Period.

    And really, there's a common thread here. It is also not possible for millions of people to be gassed to death with a specific poisonous agent and for there to be ZERO forensic evidence of this. Not with how fine-tuned forensic science is at this point in time. If there were a single bone fragment from one of the millions of people gassed, the cause of death would be demonstrable. A snippet of hair... But there really is just nothing.

    So again, it didn't happen and that's that. It has nothing to do with whether you like Jews or whether you are against immigration or any of these things. Things that are impossible simply did not happen.

    In any case, it's not about you specifically. Really, it's not. In general, people have to understand the difference between storytelling and real established facts. And people have to commit to being honest about these things. And certainly, people should not resort to insults and straw men when they get cornered on these things.

    And again, that you have participated for years and your views have not changed -- that is NOT something to be proud of.
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  • @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965

    are you suggesting all these photos are frauds?
    or that these people didn’t suffer?
     
    Suffering ≠ genocide
    Labor camps ≠ death camps

    Interesting pictures, but neither they nor anything else you have provided amounts to even a single piece of concrete proof that the 6 million figure is not a work of pure fiction and propaganda. You just read the same old talking points from the same old cue card and then called him an extremist at the end for good measure. You couldn't refute the claim, so you didn't even attempt to address the claim, instead responding as if Wally had said Jews didn't suffer in WWII at all instead. Par for the course disingenuous circumnavigation of the actual issue. No one is saying that no Jewish blood whatsoever was spilled in WWII. No one is saying that no Jews whatsoever suffered in WWII.

    Meanwhile, historians, forensic experts and the International Red Cross have used science, historical evidence and even math to soundly conclude, with results that can be recreated as per the scientific method, that the death toll at Auschwitz was an utter impossibility in the given time frame and with the given 'gas chamber' and crematorium arrangement. Such that the OFFICIAL death toll at Auschwitz is now listed at the actual camp as being below 1 million, down from 4.1 million. That is to say that half the Holohoax has ALREADY been sufficiently debunked for the official historical record to recognize it. Not that the Jewish gate keepers in media, gov't or academia will ever let that slip. Especially in Western Europe, where such public discourse can land one in prison for a few months.

    One would think that the highly efficient Germans might have been able to come up with a slightly more cost effective means of genocide than incarcerating, tattooing, feeding and clothing Jews just so they could be single-filed into cramped corners in what would have to be the most poorly thought out 'gas chamber' floor plan ever conceived, just so they could be slowly killed with an insecticide that the Germans would have had to go through the pains of transporting to the camps, when they could have just shot them in the head with a single bullet and dumped them in a hole. They had a war to win, after all.

    Is that really harder to believe than the 'extremist' narrative that Germany wasn't trying to genocide Jews, that those were normal labor camps, and that Zyklon B is just a delousing agent for clothing, to prevent the spread of Typhus via lice?

    Who really has the 'extremist narrative' here? Are you defending what you believe to be the TRUTH. Or simply defending that which you are expected to defend, if you wish to remain accepted among your peers and work colleagues and society at large?

    To those with the capacity for free and critical thought, the truth will never fear investigation. 2 + 2 will only ever = 4 to these people and nothing you can say will change that because their reality is dictated by fact, not ideology.

    To those ruled by group think, and the social consequences of deviating from it, the truth will always be measured in mass appeal. 2 + 2 can and will = 5 for these people, if that's what it comes down to in order to keep getting along and avoiding any conflict.

    In which category do you honestly believe your views place you?

    Interesting pictures, but neither they nor anything else you have provided amounts to even a single piece of concrete proof that the 6 million figure is not a work of pure fiction and propaganda.

    I never suggested otherwise. Go read what I wrote.

    You just read the same old talking points from the same old cue card and then called him an extremist at the end for good measure.

    bullshit

    And I didn’t call him an extremist, I said he had extremist views. There’s a difference.

    You couldn’t refute the claim, so you didn’t even attempt to address the claim, instead responding as if Wally had said Jews didn’t suffer in WWII at all instead.

    no dumbass

    All I did was provide photo evidence that Jews suffered in the Holocaust. That’s all. Go read it all again, dumbass.

    and I didn’t respond as if as if “Wally had said Jews didn’t suffer in WWII at all”. What I did was post photos of Jews that suffered during the Holocaust. Because Wally suggested they didn’t exist.

    If you’re going to go into attack mode, then at least read what (the fuck) you’re responding to, because your entire post is to a straw man that never existed, and it makes you look like a fool.

    as for the rest of your vexation/vituperation, just read my subsequent comments to see where I stand on the whole issue.

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  • @Rurik
    Hi Wally,

    you can also respond to the query I put to Paul

    Does the Holocaust; by definition- depend on the sacred and holy number "six million"?

    if the actual number is five million perhaps, or five thousand murdered..

    then can it still be called the "Holocaust"?

    Can the Holocaust be considered a valid event that happed during WWII, even if it's really nothing more or less than a 'detail of history'?

    Are there parameters- that have been universally decided upon that would allow us to debate the veracity of the "Holocaust", so that we can all agree that if... for instance the removal of Jews from Germany and other occupied territories- from positions of power, and even from the territory itself- is not enough to call the event the "Holocaust", but that we also need to prove the "six million" number, would the other side ((officialdom / TPTB)) agree to this sticking point?

    and if not, then I propose that we'd all just be talking past each other, trying to debate the veracity of an event, about which there isn't even a definition.

    Some people claim that the Holodomor didn't happen, because the famine was not a deliberate act of the Soviet government. That you see is the crux of the matter. Did those people die in a deliberate campaign to genocide an entire class of people (independent-minded white Christians of ability) off the earth for all time..? Or was the famine a result of forces that had nothing to do with the Soviets?

    The actual numbers don't matter, what matters is the intention and acts of the Soviet government.

    Did Stalin want those people to starve by the millions? If yes, then the Holodomor happened. If not, then perhaps it was just an unfortunate act of God (and a blood libel hoax on poor Lazar Kaganovich)

    We require the same kind of definition of the Holocaust, or the debate seems to me rather pointless.

    Does the Holocaust; by definition- depend on the sacred and holy number “six million”?

    if the actual number is five million perhaps, or five thousand murdered..

    then can it still be called the “Holocaust”?

    So basically what you are saying is that you are less concerned with the historical accuracy of the period arbitrarily referred to as ‘the holocaust’ than you are with whether or not there is even a formal definition of ‘holocaust’?

    How many periods of history could we pointlessly question based on semantical scrutinization of the arbitrary terminology that we used to retrospectively refer to the historical period with. Was there really an Enlightenment in Europe? Is there a standardized definition for ‘enlightenment’?

    The holocaust is simply the name Jews use for Hitler’s SUPPOSED INTENT/EFFORT to genocide them. There is not 2 holocausts in history. And Jews themselves will be the first ones to tell you that. Just walk up to one of them and refer to some other genocide in history as a holocaust.

    At any rate, if that intent did not actually exist on the part of the Germans, then there is no circumstance in WWII that is fundamentally different from any other war/conflict in which one party puts another into a labor camp. No specific period of targeted Jewish massacre to which a label should be affixed for reasons of remembrance. And to claim otherwise in spite of having no actual evidence would be to perpetuate a hoax, a lie, a fiction.

    The actual numbers don’t matter

    That’s where you are 110% wrong. The actual numbers are all that matter. They are what is actual. They are the facts. They are not the semantics that you are disingenuously attempting to steer the conversation towards to get us away from discussing what actually matters, that being what actually happened.

    It’s not important how we identify the period of history that we are reviewing. Whats important is whether or not that period was recorded factually.

    We require the same kind of definition of the Holocaust

    No we don’t. There isn’t 2 Holocausts to debate. The Holodomor is an entirely different event. Just because ‘Holo- is prefixed to the identifying label used for both historical events does not mean that the rest of the word is the same too.

    Call it the Holocaust, call it WWII Europe, call it whatever the hell you want. It’s irrelevant. Just an arbitrary name applied to a specific range of dates in a specific region of the world. Look at it like a non-fiction book. What matters is the accuracy of what’s in the pages, not whether the title on the cover is standardized in some way.

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    So basically what you are saying is that you are less concerned with the historical accuracy of the period arbitrarily referred to as ‘the holocaust’ than you are with whether or not there is even a formal definition of ‘holocaust’?
     
    I'm saying if it doesn't have a definition, then it's a waste of time to debate whether or not it happened.

    is that really that impossible to comprehend?


    How many periods of history could we pointlessly question based on semantical scrutinization of the arbitrary terminology that we used to retrospectively refer to the historical period with
     
    I provided a perfect example with the Holodomor, there are many, many more. Like the Trail of Tears for instance, or the Nakba. Did the Nakba happen? I bet there are some who would say no. That the Arabs just left because their leaders told them to, and that the Jews subsequently walked into their ancient homes- that were theirs all along anyways. So what's the problem?

    I've even heard arguments to that effect! That it didn't happen, because the Arabs willingly, at the behest of their leaders, left their homes and lands. And so when they did, their homes became the property of the Jews by default. IOW there was no Nakba.

    But these things have meaning, and you need to pin the meaning down, if you're going to say it didn't happen, or it did.

    You first have to know what the f *it* is, if your going to have the debate.


    The holocaust is simply the name Jews use for Hitler’s SUPPOSED INTENT/EFFORT to genocide them. There is not 2 holocausts in history. And Jews themselves will be the first ones to tell you that. Just walk up to one of them and refer to some other genocide in history as a holocaust.
     
    we're getting somewhere!

    'intent and effort to genocide the Jews'

    OK, fine...

    but first off, the Jews have no problem admitting that other genocides have occurred, and that other holocausts have occurred. A holocaust is after all, a word with a meaning, and certainly what happened at Dresden or Waco are considered holocausts. But where the Jews are a stickler, is on the word with the capital letter; Holocaust. That they claim as their own, (even if many others like Catholics and homosexuals and Slavs also suffered/died)

    But all that aside, if you/we can all agree on your definition, then we can have a debate about whether or not it happened.

    (we're getting somewhere!)

    Personally, have I seen any evidence that Hitler and the Nazis wanted to genocide all the Jews off the planet? No. So based on your definition, I would suggest there's a very large dearth of proof that it happened. And that most of what we've been sold, have been lies, hysteria and propaganda. But at least we'd be able to debate it, since now we (finally) have a definition of what it is.

    whew


    At any rate, if that intent did not actually exist on the part of the Germans, then there is no circumstance in WWII that is fundamentally different from any other war/conflict in which one party puts another into a labor camp.
     
    I'd go you one further, and suggest that even it there was an intention to genocide, in much the same way the Amerindians were 'genocided' during the Trail of Tears, that for many Jews, their genocide is fundamentally and existentially different. I'd posit to you, that if the Amerindians (or Germans vis-a-vis the Morgenthau Plan, or Palestinians today) were all considered genocides, I believe that for many Jews, those others just don't count in the same way. I'd posit that for many Jews, they consider the Holocaust to be an event that defined human history. That nothing has ever come close to its enormity, because it was don't to them. And so all people of good will should all feel that the Holocaust was a uniquely historical event, because rather than the genocide of the Amerindian, or instance, or the genocide of the Palestinians, they believe that the Holocaust was different because it was (evil) men trying to kill God Himself. That is how they see themselves.

    True story ;)


    The actual numbers are all that matter. They are what is actual. They are the facts. They are not the semantics that you are disingenuously attempting to steer the conversation towards to get us away from discussing what actually matters, that being what actually happened.
     
    do the numbers of Ukrainian farmers and their famlies matter to decide whether or not the Holodomor happened?

    does it matter if it was seven million starved to death, or ten?

    does it matter whether it was 600,000 Palestinians that fled into the desert, or 700,000? In order to call the Nakba a genocide?

    Does it really matter to you whether six million Jews were murdered (simply for being Jews) during WWII, or six, in order for you to condemn the killing?

    what matters is not the numbers, but the intent. If the Soviets genocided the Ukrainians out of an ethnic hatred for their type, it don't matter if it was seven or ten million. Just as it doesn't matter to the debate over the Holocaust whether or not it was two hundred thousand or six million.


    No we don’t. There isn’t 2 Holocausts to debate. The Holodomor is an entirely different event. Just because ‘Holo- is prefixed to the identifying label used for both historical events does not mean that the rest of the word is the same too.
     
    are you really that stupid?

    Call it the Holocaust, call it WWII Europe, call it whatever the hell you want. It’s irrelevant. Just an arbitrary name applied to a specific range of dates in a specific region of the world. Look at it like a non-fiction book. What matters is the accuracy of what’s in the pages, not whether the title on the cover is standardized in some way.

     

    for the purposes of debate, and certainly if you're debating whether or not it happened then a definition of what it is, is sine qua non to the debate.

    if you want to debate the minutia, then you can to kingdom come, but if you want to debate whether or not the Holocaust was a fraud and a hoax, as many here claim, then having a definition for what you're suggesting never happened, is rudimentary.

    so, after all that, if we could all agree that what the Holocaust describes, was the intent of Nazi Germany to kill/genocide/murder all the Jews it could round up in Europe and beyond, and kill them all, then that's starting point to talk about whether or not it actually was happening.

    From everything I've glimmered over the years, I'd say that based on that definition, it never happened, and if that's the definition of the Holocaust, then yes, it was/is a hoax (and a monstrous blood libel against the German people)

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  • @NoseytheDuke
    Who are you to judge who is a "crusader" for truth and what does that even mean? I don't recall Wally posting anything about Holy crosses, do you? I can't deny that Wally is repetitive but the simple truth is that whether by a monstrous lie or monstrous exaggeration the holocaust narrative has provided leverage for great crimes to be committed and then swept under the rug, many of them to the detriment of the American people. That makes some people angry. What's your story?

    The Crusades would never have happened if the Muslims had not invaded the Christian Holy Land in the first place. The Jews and their left tend to ignore that fact.

    The term ‘crusades’ is used negatively, wrongly, without it’s factual background.

    I’m “repetitive”? So what? I am right. ‘Keep it simple’ means just that.
    Of course Jews & their shabbos goys here avoid my numerous other citations, links, etc. which are not so “repetitive”.

    And we all know that the fake ’6M’ is ‘repeated’ 24/7/365.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  • @Rurik
    Hello Paul,

    With the media and governments controlled by the same group, the truth is another casualty. I know you agree with this.
     
    in spades Paul!

    To Wally’s point, where is the proof of extermination...
     
    but to my point, I wholly admit, (that unless you're talking about lice, [or the German people themselves*]) there was no extermination or any intention for it. At least as far as the evidence I've seen.

    The fact that one goes to jail for providing contrary evidence to the “agreed narrative” tells us everything we need to know. They’re lying.
     
    yes, of course they are! Truth does not need gendarmes and bludgeons to 'prove' it's veracity. The second someone tells you; 'you will believe this or else', is the second you know they're full of shit.

    So the total 6M number (for the Holocaust) was reduced by 3M but yet still remained at 6M. Make sense? Of course not
     
    because the number is an obvious lie/exaggeration

    Virtually everything we’ve learned and are told by the media, and our history books, is a lie.
     
    I agree Paul.

    IF it happened,
     
    You capitalize the word 'IF' Paul, but I'd prefer to concentrate for the moment on the word 'it'.

    What is 'it'?

    If we can't define it, then how do we know what it is, or even if it happened?

    So, first off, in defining it, I would posit that the Holocaust, (with all the gloomy, solemn intonations notwithstanding) was an event much like The Trail of Tears, for instance. That did happen, but the details about which are often deliberately skewed for myriad reasons and effect.

    Imagine if our banks- and consequently our media and courts and universities and cultural institutions and federal government and so forth, were all owned and/or controlled by descendants of the Amerindians that suffered during the Trail of Tears. I suspect that were that the case, that then the 'it', ethnic cleansing of the Amerindian, including murders, would be very near the levels of hysteria that the Holocaust is today. There'd be museums galore and a movie/TV show every week. We'd be hearing about the survivors and paying reparations out our collective wazoo.

    But instead, it's Jews who own our banks, and therefor all the rest. And so it's the Holocaust we're all berated with 24/7, 365, decade after lugubrious decade.

    (perhaps that's not fair to the Amerindian, as they don't seem to be congenital whiners ; )

    Anyways, the point is that something happened, and that if it were no more murderous or villainous than the internment of Japanese Americans during the war (as Wally pointed out), then they're still entitled to give that event a name, no?

    I sometimes wonder if the Holocaust wasn't more to do about what had been lost to the Jews of Germany, than anything that might have happened to them. During the Weimar regime, the Jews who flooded into Germany after the punishing cruelty of the Versailles Treaty, had turned Germany into their private playground, with German children as their amusements, and the German nation as their toy. If you think the outrages against decency being exposed in Hollywood, with rampant pedophilia and sexual depravity on the powerless is bad, then you have no idea what it was like for the Germans of Weimar. The poor Jews lost all that when the Nazis came to power, and just that loss must have stung painfully. If they wanted to call that removal from all the significant positions of power- that the Nazis surely did to them.. the Holocaust, then why not let them?

    So I feel like it's imperative that the word 'Holocaust' have a definition, if we're going to be able to debate its historical veracity.

    Does it mean - that "six million died in a deliberate 'final solution' to gas and otherwise genocide every last Jew from the earth, including sadistic experiments and lampshades made from skin and soap made from fat...."

    if so, then I absolutely would say that 'it' never happened. And that it's all basically a lie, and a fraud and a hoax.

    but...

    if it, meaning the Holocaust, can mean that millions of Jews were persecuted, and even thousands (or more) were murdered, and that when the Nazis came into Poland, that the Polish people immediately rounded up the Bolshevik Jews who had been murdering their relatives, and killed them on the spot. As no doubt happened in Hungary and elsewhere where the Jewish Cheka/NKVD were cruelly oppressing and menacing the people.

    Can the Holocaust mean less than the holy "six million"? If only five million died, would they still be able to call it the Holocaust?

    I've never seen that question answered by either side.

    I've had my coffee, and could write more, but I'm going to leave it at that.

    If only five million, or five thousand died, but it included the removal of Jews from absolute domination of Germany by the Nazis, and included laws that singled out Jews for restrictions on their behavior, and included the expulsion or otherwise migration of Jews to Palestine and elsewhere, should the Jews of today be allowed to call that 'catastrophe' to their happiness at the time; the Holocaust??

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    * Morgenthau Plan

    Rurik:
    So you now consider yourself a Revisionist?
    If so, congratulations. Knowledge is freedom.

    I answered your ‘definition of’ question with the assumption your were a True Believer.
    See that response.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    So you now consider yourself a Revisionist?
     
    my position has not altered one whit since I've been posting to this site (for years now)

    but you guys just don't do nuance, do you?

    it's either the cartoon idiocy that the Holocaust happened exactly as ((they)) say it did,

    or the other cartoon idiocy from the other idiot camp that seems to suggest that 'none of it happened and it was ALL a total hoax'


    I answered your ‘definition of’ question with the assumption your were a True Believer.
    See that response.
     
    I missed that

    please explain for the general edification of all

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  • @Rurik
    Hi Wally,

    you can also respond to the query I put to Paul

    Does the Holocaust; by definition- depend on the sacred and holy number "six million"?

    if the actual number is five million perhaps, or five thousand murdered..

    then can it still be called the "Holocaust"?

    Can the Holocaust be considered a valid event that happed during WWII, even if it's really nothing more or less than a 'detail of history'?

    Are there parameters- that have been universally decided upon that would allow us to debate the veracity of the "Holocaust", so that we can all agree that if... for instance the removal of Jews from Germany and other occupied territories- from positions of power, and even from the territory itself- is not enough to call the event the "Holocaust", but that we also need to prove the "six million" number, would the other side ((officialdom / TPTB)) agree to this sticking point?

    and if not, then I propose that we'd all just be talking past each other, trying to debate the veracity of an event, about which there isn't even a definition.

    Some people claim that the Holodomor didn't happen, because the famine was not a deliberate act of the Soviet government. That you see is the crux of the matter. Did those people die in a deliberate campaign to genocide an entire class of people (independent-minded white Christians of ability) off the earth for all time..? Or was the famine a result of forces that had nothing to do with the Soviets?

    The actual numbers don't matter, what matters is the intention and acts of the Soviet government.

    Did Stalin want those people to starve by the millions? If yes, then the Holodomor happened. If not, then perhaps it was just an unfortunate act of God (and a blood libel hoax on poor Lazar Kaganovich)

    We require the same kind of definition of the Holocaust, or the debate seems to me rather pointless.

    You’re becoming desperate now, grasping.

    I suggest you ask those questions to the many countries that have made free speech on the so called ‘holocaust’ illegal. Which proves that the storyline is fraudulent.

    The Encyclopedia Britannica says:
    “the systematic state-sponsored killing of six million Jewish men, women, and children and millions of others”

    https://www.britannica.com/event/Holocaust

    Israel’s Yad Vashem Theme Park says:
    “the murder of close to six million Jews in Europe”

    http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/holocaust/resource_center/the_holocaust.asp

    The fake ’6M’ number does matter. Jews promote it 24/7/365, it’s what supposedly makes it ‘exceptional’ to other alleged ‘genocides’.

    Regardless, the alleged ‘holocaust exterminations’ were scientifically impossible.

    Please tell us how the alleged ‘gas chambers’ worked, and please show us the claimed immense mass graves & contents for the alleged total of 11,000,000 that are supposedly known.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  • @Rurik

    What “photos of Holocaust victims”?
    Please show us.
     
    are you suggesting all these photos are frauds?

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/18/22/27B6F35800000578-3045115-image-a-24_1429390998361.jpg

    or that these people didn't suffer?

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-cnxyGGt4kY/0.jpg

    I hardly think these were dangerous Bolsheviks or saboteurs

    http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Video/__NEW/n_holocaust_wiesel_130127.jpg

    only a complete fool would pretend that no Jews (or Poles or Catholics or homosexuals, etc...) were ever persecuted and (sometimes) executed during the war.

    by taking that extremist view, you compromise your credibility, I would suggest

    are you suggesting all these photos are frauds?
    or that these people didn’t suffer?

    Suffering ≠ genocide
    Labor camps ≠ death camps

    Interesting pictures, but neither they nor anything else you have provided amounts to even a single piece of concrete proof that the 6 million figure is not a work of pure fiction and propaganda. You just read the same old talking points from the same old cue card and then called him an extremist at the end for good measure. You couldn’t refute the claim, so you didn’t even attempt to address the claim, instead responding as if Wally had said Jews didn’t suffer in WWII at all instead. Par for the course disingenuous circumnavigation of the actual issue. No one is saying that no Jewish blood whatsoever was spilled in WWII. No one is saying that no Jews whatsoever suffered in WWII.

    Meanwhile, historians, forensic experts and the International Red Cross have used science, historical evidence and even math to soundly conclude, with results that can be recreated as per the scientific method, that the death toll at Auschwitz was an utter impossibility in the given time frame and with the given ‘gas chamber’ and crematorium arrangement. Such that the OFFICIAL death toll at Auschwitz is now listed at the actual camp as being below 1 million, down from 4.1 million. That is to say that half the Holohoax has ALREADY been sufficiently debunked for the official historical record to recognize it. Not that the Jewish gate keepers in media, gov’t or academia will ever let that slip. Especially in Western Europe, where such public discourse can land one in prison for a few months.

    One would think that the highly efficient Germans might have been able to come up with a slightly more cost effective means of genocide than incarcerating, tattooing, feeding and clothing Jews just so they could be single-filed into cramped corners in what would have to be the most poorly thought out ‘gas chamber’ floor plan ever conceived, just so they could be slowly killed with an insecticide that the Germans would have had to go through the pains of transporting to the camps, when they could have just shot them in the head with a single bullet and dumped them in a hole. They had a war to win, after all.

    Is that really harder to believe than the ‘extremist’ narrative that Germany wasn’t trying to genocide Jews, that those were normal labor camps, and that Zyklon B is just a delousing agent for clothing, to prevent the spread of Typhus via lice?

    Who really has the ‘extremist narrative’ here? Are you defending what you believe to be the TRUTH. Or simply defending that which you are expected to defend, if you wish to remain accepted among your peers and work colleagues and society at large?

    To those with the capacity for free and critical thought, the truth will never fear investigation. 2 + 2 will only ever = 4 to these people and nothing you can say will change that because their reality is dictated by fact, not ideology.

    To those ruled by group think, and the social consequences of deviating from it, the truth will always be measured in mass appeal. 2 + 2 can and will = 5 for these people, if that’s what it comes down to in order to keep getting along and avoiding any conflict.

    In which category do you honestly believe your views place you?

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    Interesting pictures, but neither they nor anything else you have provided amounts to even a single piece of concrete proof that the 6 million figure is not a work of pure fiction and propaganda.
     
    I never suggested otherwise. Go read what I wrote.

    You just read the same old talking points from the same old cue card and then called him an extremist at the end for good measure.
     
    bullshit

    And I didn't call him an extremist, I said he had extremist views. There's a difference.

    You couldn’t refute the claim, so you didn’t even attempt to address the claim, instead responding as if Wally had said Jews didn’t suffer in WWII at all instead.
     
    no dumbass

    All I did was provide photo evidence that Jews suffered in the Holocaust. That's all. Go read it all again, dumbass.

    and I didn't respond as if as if "Wally had said Jews didn’t suffer in WWII at all". What I did was post photos of Jews that suffered during the Holocaust. Because Wally suggested they didn't exist.

    If you're going to go into attack mode, then at least read what (the fuck) you're responding to, because your entire post is to a straw man that never existed, and it makes you look like a fool.

    as for the rest of your vexation/vituperation, just read my subsequent comments to see where I stand on the whole issue.
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  • I miss the AIPAC office in Brussels, and the one in Paris.
    What these offices do there, anyone’s guess.

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  • @Wally
    said:
    "But claiming there are no photos of murdered or persecuted Jews during what they call their Holocaust, is I believe, just as ruefully dishonest ..."

    You're back pedaling and changing the story. I replied to someone who said that 'so & so liked looking at photos of so called 'holocaust' victims'. Please review.

    The 'holocaust' storyline claims 11,000,000 MURDERS, of which 6,000,000 are claimed to have been Jews. Hence my challenge for photos of allegedly MURDERED Jews & others in alleged huge, very huge mass graves.
    You did not, cannot provide them, but you did cluelessly provide the very opposite. Photos of those that according to the absurd narrative should have been murdered, but as we see, were quite alive & healthy. Some 'holocaust' that was.
    It is you who is being dishonest and are full of hateful Zionist crap. You cannot provide photos of excavations of the alleged huge mass graves where the alleged enormous human remains are shown. Hence my quote:


    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.
     
    Jews have been spinning their 6M lie since at least since 1869.
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php
    http://balder.org/judea/billeder-judea/Scan-New-York-Times-Six-Million-Since-1869-Composite.jpg

    Hi Wally,

    you can also respond to the query I put to Paul

    Does the Holocaust; by definition- depend on the sacred and holy number “six million”?

    if the actual number is five million perhaps, or five thousand murdered..

    then can it still be called the “Holocaust”?

    Can the Holocaust be considered a valid event that happed during WWII, even if it’s really nothing more or less than a ‘detail of history’?

    Are there parameters- that have been universally decided upon that would allow us to debate the veracity of the “Holocaust”, so that we can all agree that if… for instance the removal of Jews from Germany and other occupied territories- from positions of power, and even from the territory itself- is not enough to call the event the “Holocaust”, but that we also need to prove the “six million” number, would the other side ((officialdom / TPTB)) agree to this sticking point?

    and if not, then I propose that we’d all just be talking past each other, trying to debate the veracity of an event, about which there isn’t even a definition.

    Some people claim that the Holodomor didn’t happen, because the famine was not a deliberate act of the Soviet government. That you see is the crux of the matter. Did those people die in a deliberate campaign to genocide an entire class of people (independent-minded white Christians of ability) off the earth for all time..? Or was the famine a result of forces that had nothing to do with the Soviets?

    The actual numbers don’t matter, what matters is the intention and acts of the Soviet government.

    Did Stalin want those people to starve by the millions? If yes, then the Holodomor happened. If not, then perhaps it was just an unfortunate act of God (and a blood libel hoax on poor Lazar Kaganovich)

    We require the same kind of definition of the Holocaust, or the debate seems to me rather pointless.

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    You're becoming desperate now, grasping.

    I suggest you ask those questions to the many countries that have made free speech on the so called 'holocaust' illegal. Which proves that the storyline is fraudulent.

    The Encyclopedia Britannica says:
    "the systematic state-sponsored killing of six million Jewish men, women, and children and millions of others"
    https://www.britannica.com/event/Holocaust

    Israel's Yad Vashem Theme Park says:
    "the murder of close to six million Jews in Europe"
    http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/holocaust/resource_center/the_holocaust.asp

    The fake '6M' number does matter. Jews promote it 24/7/365, it's what supposedly makes it 'exceptional' to other alleged 'genocides'.

    Regardless, the alleged 'holocaust exterminations' were scientifically impossible.

    Please tell us how the alleged 'gas chambers' worked, and please show us the claimed immense mass graves & contents for the alleged total of 11,000,000 that are supposedly known.

    www.codoh.com

    , @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965

    Does the Holocaust; by definition- depend on the sacred and holy number “six million”?

    if the actual number is five million perhaps, or five thousand murdered..

    then can it still be called the “Holocaust”?
     
    So basically what you are saying is that you are less concerned with the historical accuracy of the period arbitrarily referred to as 'the holocaust' than you are with whether or not there is even a formal definition of 'holocaust'?

    How many periods of history could we pointlessly question based on semantical scrutinization of the arbitrary terminology that we used to retrospectively refer to the historical period with. Was there really an Enlightenment in Europe? Is there a standardized definition for 'enlightenment'?

    The holocaust is simply the name Jews use for Hitler's SUPPOSED INTENT/EFFORT to genocide them. There is not 2 holocausts in history. And Jews themselves will be the first ones to tell you that. Just walk up to one of them and refer to some other genocide in history as a holocaust.

    At any rate, if that intent did not actually exist on the part of the Germans, then there is no circumstance in WWII that is fundamentally different from any other war/conflict in which one party puts another into a labor camp. No specific period of targeted Jewish massacre to which a label should be affixed for reasons of remembrance. And to claim otherwise in spite of having no actual evidence would be to perpetuate a hoax, a lie, a fiction.

    The actual numbers don’t matter
     
    That's where you are 110% wrong. The actual numbers are all that matter. They are what is actual. They are the facts. They are not the semantics that you are disingenuously attempting to steer the conversation towards to get us away from discussing what actually matters, that being what actually happened.

    It's not important how we identify the period of history that we are reviewing. Whats important is whether or not that period was recorded factually.

    We require the same kind of definition of the Holocaust
     
    No we don't. There isn't 2 Holocausts to debate. The Holodomor is an entirely different event. Just because 'Holo- is prefixed to the identifying label used for both historical events does not mean that the rest of the word is the same too.

    Call it the Holocaust, call it WWII Europe, call it whatever the hell you want. It's irrelevant. Just an arbitrary name applied to a specific range of dates in a specific region of the world. Look at it like a non-fiction book. What matters is the accuracy of what's in the pages, not whether the title on the cover is standardized in some way.
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  • @Anon
    Wally I was interested to see on TV and to read about the recent work by a British archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colis at Treblinka which, using the latest technology, has disclosed gas chambers and mass burial pits conforming to the evidence of actual witnesses and supporting the estimates of about 800,000 Jews killed there (and 2000 gypsies). I gather that further work has also been done at Sobibor and Belzec confirming that they were, unlike Auschwicz for example, just extermination camps - not in part labor camps.

    Are you up to date with this? Is there any doubt that the Nazis adopted an extermination policy for Jews by early 1942 at latest?

    Don’t make me laugh.

    Did you see the alleged 900,000 Jew remains that are claimed at Treblinka?
    No, you did not.
    Did you actually see a ‘gas chamber’?
    No, you did not.
    Well, I believe they did find some buttons.

    Sturdy-Colls is old news, totally debunked, see:
    Mass Graves claimed to be found at Treblinka

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6804

    and:
    Caroline Sturdy-Colls lied.

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11121

    and:
    Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7972

    and:
    Caroline Colls, local girl makes good

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6893

    much more here:

    https://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=sturdy+colls++treblinka&fid%5B0%5D=2

    This is too easy.

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  • @Paul C.
    Rurik,

    I agree with so much of what you write. But my research is showing zionist/ Jewish involvement in all wars over the last 200-300 years, with the control of banking and freemasonry. Especially WW2 financing both sides. When you understand the Balfour Declaration and Transfer Agreement this explains some of the motives (involving WW1 & WW2). With the media and governments controlled by the same group, the truth is another casualty. I know you agree with this.

    To Wally's point, where is the proof of extermination, versus death from starvation (from supply lines cut) and typhoid disease, the result of war in general as it relates to work camps? It was claimed 4.5M Jews died in Auschwitz, but the numbers dwindled likely as a result of brave researchers proving otherwise and going to jail for it. The fact that one goes to jail for providing contrary evidence to the "agreed narrative" tells us everything we need to know. They're lying. But the number of Jews who perished at Auschwitz was reduced to 1.5M as reflected in a new plaque. So the total 6M number (for the Holocaust) was reduced by 3M but yet still remained at 6M. Make sense? Of course not. Then Auschwitz was further reduced to 1.1M of which 900k were Jews. Yet the 6M number still stands. Meanwhile the Red Cross calculated approximately 270k Jews died as a result of starvation and typhoid, no mention of death camps, gassing and extermination.

    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/06/red-cross-expose-judaic-holocaust-hoax/

    A lot of analysis was done with regard to how it's physically possible to gas that many people and if they had the facilities to do so. I haven't been shown evidence to support the possibility. Only the contrary.

    Virtually everything we've learned and are told by the media, and our history books, is a lie. What about the Russian Revolution? Who was it led by and how many millions of Christian's perished? Yet it's not discussed that Jews led this, financed by American Jews/zionists.

    I'm open minded, if there's concrete proof of death camps and extermination that can be shown, I'll research it, analyze it and perhaps change my mind. IF it happened, of course it's horrific. But as you know better than most, 9/11 is a complete lie, done to further the interests largely of the cabal, to get the US to invade the 7 countries Israel wanted decimated. It also brought us the Patriot Act to further remove our freedoms and create a police state, a direct goal of 9/11. Knowing this and all the others lies call into question "a narrative that doesn't deviate over time and will never be influenced by new data since it's not allowed".

    I'm seeking the truth on all matters. If anyone can prove me wrong, please do.

    Hello Paul,

    With the media and governments controlled by the same group, the truth is another casualty. I know you agree with this.

    in spades Paul!

    To Wally’s point, where is the proof of extermination…

    but to my point, I wholly admit, (that unless you’re talking about lice, [or the German people themselves*]) there was no extermination or any intention for it. At least as far as the evidence I’ve seen.

    The fact that one goes to jail for providing contrary evidence to the “agreed narrative” tells us everything we need to know. They’re lying.

    yes, of course they are! Truth does not need gendarmes and bludgeons to ‘prove’ it’s veracity. The second someone tells you; ‘you will believe this or else’, is the second you know they’re full of shit.

    So the total 6M number (for the Holocaust) was reduced by 3M but yet still remained at 6M. Make sense? Of course not

    because the number is an obvious lie/exaggeration

    Virtually everything we’ve learned and are told by the media, and our history books, is a lie.

    I agree Paul.

    IF it happened,

    You capitalize the word ‘IF’ Paul, but I’d prefer to concentrate for the moment on the word ‘it’.

    What is ‘it‘?

    If we can’t define it, then how do we know what it is, or even if it happened?

    So, first off, in defining it, I would posit that the Holocaust, (with all the gloomy, solemn intonations notwithstanding) was an event much like The Trail of Tears, for instance. That did happen, but the details about which are often deliberately skewed for myriad reasons and effect.

    Imagine if our banks- and consequently our media and courts and universities and cultural institutions and federal government and so forth, were all owned and/or controlled by descendants of the Amerindians that suffered during the Trail of Tears. I suspect that were that the case, that then the ‘it’, ethnic cleansing of the Amerindian, including murders, would be very near the levels of hysteria that the Holocaust is today. There’d be museums galore and a movie/TV show every week. We’d be hearing about the survivors and paying reparations out our collective wazoo.

    But instead, it’s Jews who own our banks, and therefor all the rest. And so it’s the Holocaust we’re all berated with 24/7, 365, decade after lugubrious decade.

    (perhaps that’s not fair to the Amerindian, as they don’t seem to be congenital whiners ; )

    Anyways, the point is that something happened, and that if it were no more murderous or villainous than the internment of Japanese Americans during the war (as Wally pointed out), then they’re still entitled to give that event a name, no?

    I sometimes wonder if the Holocaust wasn’t more to do about what had been lost to the Jews of Germany, than anything that might have happened to them. During the Weimar regime, the Jews who flooded into Germany after the punishing cruelty of the Versailles Treaty, had turned Germany into their private playground, with German children as their amusements, and the German nation as their toy. If you think the outrages against decency being exposed in Hollywood, with rampant pedophilia and sexual depravity on the powerless is bad, then you have no idea what it was like for the Germans of Weimar. The poor Jews lost all that when the Nazis came to power, and just that loss must have stung painfully. If they wanted to call that removal from all the significant positions of power- that the Nazis surely did to them.. the Holocaust, then why not let them?

    So I feel like it’s imperative that the word ‘Holocaust’ have a definition, if we’re going to be able to debate its historical veracity.

    Does it mean – that “six million died in a deliberate ‘final solution’ to gas and otherwise genocide every last Jew from the earth, including sadistic experiments and lampshades made from skin and soap made from fat….”

    if so, then I absolutely would say that ‘it‘ never happened. And that it’s all basically a lie, and a fraud and a hoax.

    but…

    if it, meaning the Holocaust, can mean that millions of Jews were persecuted, and even thousands (or more) were murdered, and that when the Nazis came into Poland, that the Polish people immediately rounded up the Bolshevik Jews who had been murdering their relatives, and killed them on the spot. As no doubt happened in Hungary and elsewhere where the Jewish Cheka/NKVD were cruelly oppressing and menacing the people.

    Can the Holocaust mean less than the holy “six million”? If only five million died, would they still be able to call it the Holocaust?

    I’ve never seen that question answered by either side.

    I’ve had my coffee, and could write more, but I’m going to leave it at that.

    If only five million, or five thousand died, but it included the removal of Jews from absolute domination of Germany by the Nazis, and included laws that singled out Jews for restrictions on their behavior, and included the expulsion or otherwise migration of Jews to Palestine and elsewhere, should the Jews of today be allowed to call that ‘catastrophe’ to their happiness at the time; the Holocaust??

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    Rurik:
    So you now consider yourself a Revisionist?
    If so, congratulations. Knowledge is freedom.

    I answered your 'definition of' question with the assumption your were a True Believer.
    See that response.

    www.codoh.com
    , @Dissdent X
    Ah Rurik, so full of incisiveness.

    About the... event that (actually) should not be named, and Wally, I'm also responding to your general cause d'etre (I am NOT criticizing it, but rather offering an alternative approach).

    I am generally contextually informed by Douglas Reed's "Controversy of Zion".

    About the events of the second world war, and (incredibly pervasively-promoted mass assassination) policies and actions against dissidents of the National Socialist regime, at the time:

    1. During the Great War (WWI), the 'leadership' of the international political collective referring to itself at 'Jewry', having manipulated British and American leadership into a position where they could promise the British, who were badly losing the war, the American entrance into the war on their side, for the now infamous "Balfour Declaration", announced 'War on Germany' the place in the world, which above all other nations, had emancipated 'jews' and where they had done exceedingly well, and, not surprisingly from today's perspective, come to dominate many institutions, both governmental and non-governmental, especially banking and media.

    2. There was likely some negative feelings, on behalf of the Germans, who then faced economic hardship, and for the poorer, survival challenges; of the suffering, the 'jews', having achieved greater successes, and supporting in-group adherents, were noticeably less negatively affected, further creating negative feelings.

    3. Owing to the very nature of the Torah-Talmud ideology, fundamentally dissident from the National Socialist political agenda, a large number of 'jews' along with the majority of other officially recognized dissident groups, were subject to mass assassinations, and/or internship.

    4. It is quite likely that 200K-300K self-identifying 'jews' were murdered, among the overall number of 1.25M-1.5M political assassinations carried out by the National Socialist regime between 1933-1945.

    5. Subsequently, through the 'hidden hand' and spearheaded by the prime 'media' outlets in the 'free' world, the other major groups murdered by the WWII National Socialist regime were dropped from the descriptions of the mass murders/assassination narratives, until it became only about 'the jews', and subsequently ,during my lifetime, the entire WWII became about 'the jews'.

    6. Now the creation of illegitimate and constitutionally illegal laws, censoring the objective, fact-based discussions on such topics, and the zealous laws, extending 'special privilege' to the Torah-Talmudists, which, are used by the extremist extra-governmental agencies to marginalize and criminalize anyone who would even suggest opening such objective and fact-based discussions on 'their' topics and importance, extending now to active conflagration of criticism of a particular political entity occupying Palestinian lands, which daily commit genocide (which when it has been associated with them as the 'victim' is a horrid, unspeakable crime, but when they commit it, is 'necessary defensive activities'.

    My recommendation:
    Try to work some facts about the method of the subversion of history in your commentary. I know it takes up words in an attention-span-challenged social setting, but it might add effectiveness to your (well worthwhile) argument.

    Rock on.


    btw: thanks Nick Kollerstrom for bringing this worthy information to us at the UNZ community, and mods for their work enabling the discussion.
    , @anarchyst
    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD THEY KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would they build “camps” hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical, recreational and other ancillary facilities? Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? Why would they expend massive effort on logistical movement utilizing their limited energy resources if the goal was extermination? Things do not "add up"...

    Something BIG “stinks” in this whole jewish “holocaust ™” deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the German government in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans. In fact, it was jewish Zionist leaders who first proposed that all jews wear the "yellow Star of David" armband so that they could be easily identified.

    The establishment of a “homeland” along with the 6,000,000 figure was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s. What better way to encourage “emigration” to a foreign land than to make things difficult for the “cream of German society” (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” is out . . .

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish “holocaust ™” truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the “tribe” that FEAR the real truth of the jewish “holocaust ™” being exposed is evident. TRUTH CANNOT BE USED AS A DEFENSE OR ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE "KANGAROO COURTS" THAT PROSECUTE THOSE WHO DARE TO INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT. A question for you "holocaust ™" promoters--why are there laws that criminalize the search for truth??

    When the truth about this historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a “cash cow” that “keeps on giving”. . . “there’s NO business like “SHOAH business”.
    Jewish complicity in this event is carefully “covered up”.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question “official” jewish “holocaust” orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the “official” jewish “holocaust” story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to “all things holocaust”. Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment. . .

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the “chosen”) to engineer the jewish “holocaust”, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish “holocaust” was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many “holocausts” of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish “holocaust” is the only one that counts . . .

    Look at the “commercialization of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren.

    Since the jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a “homeland”–Israel. It is interesting to note that the German boycott of jewish businesses lasted for one day, whil the jewish boycott (actually the jews' declaration of war on Germany) started in 1933 and lasted until the summation of WW2.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish “homeland for the last two-hundred years while predicting a “holocaust ™” of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures).

    Regarding that “holocaust ™” “showplace” Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called “gas chambers”. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called “gassing” took place”. There is a "gas chamber" chimney that is not connected to anything. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the “operators” of these supposed “gas chambers”. As Germans were excellent engineers, it is difficult to observe the glaring engineering errors that presently exist in these "camps".

    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported “gas chambers”, had them tested and published his results. The absence of methylene blue in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the “gas chambers” did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing. In fact, the "chimney" for the supposed "gas chamber" does not connect to anything.

    Mr. Leuchter’s was rewarded for his search for TRUTH by his professional and personal character assassination by those of the “tribe”. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license”–a law which had never been used before or since. . .

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to “create” the “death camps” for propaganda purposes. Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. The prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

    It is interesting to note that, before the camps were "liberated" by the "allies", the camp occupants chose to flee with the German troops, rather than be "liberated" by the Russian "allies".

    I urge those "holocaust ™" believers to check these things out for yourselves--IF YOU DARE. You will not like what you find...
    , @Paul C.
    Hi Rurik,

    I had a busy week.

    Jews define “it” as the systematic extermination and genocide of Jews, largely by gassing, during WW2.

    But yet they cannot prove gas chambers and the mass graves they claim exist. Worse, they’ve shut down free speech on the subject in Europe, where it’s a jailable offense, which suggests they’ve been caught in a lie.

    Could it be that the Holocaust narrative is to distract humanity from Jewish complicity in WW2? Churchill and Roosevelt were crypto-jews. All three of them (Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt) were Freemasons. Freemasonry rewards gentiles with positions of power and wealth, which is how “the system” works, resulting in pure evil.

    Since Judaism controls Freemasonry, it appears WW2 was orchestrated by, pick a word: Jews, Elites, Illuminati, Bankers, Talmudic Satanists, The Powers That Be. If the world realizes this, their control may (should) be cut off. But as Henry Makow states, “the world is controlled by a Jewish satanic cult”.
    https://www.henrymakow.com

    With the Holocaust narrative, they can redirect who was evil and who were the victims. You’ve done a great job of highlighting the atrocity of Dresden.

    Germany was not happy upon learning during the Treaty of Versailles days that Jews had engineered the Balfour Declaration, bringing the US into WW1 and tipping the balance. Many Amercians, Germans and English died as a result of the Balfour Declaration which occurred close to when England was ceding the war in 1916. Why is this not taught?

    Judea declared war on Germany in 1933. Jews & Zionists funded both sides of WW2 including Hitler (Rothschild, along with zionist owned American banks). The Transfer Agreement was a Jewish plan to force German Jews into Palestine to create Israel after the war.

    https://thedaysofnoah.wordpress.com/2011/01/08/the-rothschild-1920-1944-the-secret-instigators-of-world-war-2/

    Were Jewish leaders responsible for the deaths of 50 million Christian Russians during the Bolshevik Revolution? It appears so.
    Did they also genocide Ukrainian’s? Did Turkish Jews genocide Armenians? There are claims.
    Who financed the Bolshevik revolution? American Jews such as Warburg.

    Why are we focusing on “The Holocaust”, which is unproven, and not discussing Jewish involvement in WW2, which cost the lives of 50M to 80M? Why is there never discussion that the leaders of WW2, same as today, are Freemasons. Freemasons are Satanists (Luciferians) whether they know it or not. They’re not Christians. Same goes for Zionists. Going a little off topic… There’s no such thing as a “Christian Zionist”. Anyone who claims to be one, is a Zionist only. They’re incompatible, polar opposites. Those that think otherwise have been duped, and will continue to read their doctored Scofield bible.

    Almost every world leader is a freemason. This is what scares me about Trump. He’s a Nationalist and patriot, which is great, and appears to genuinely want to help Americans. But he keeps talking about how bad Iran and North Korea are, suggesting war might be inevitable. This is right out of the Illuminati playbook. Iran hasn’t attacked anyone in over 300 years. America has attacked the 2 neighbors surrounding Iran, Afghanistan and Iraq, installing hundreds of military bases. So who’s really the problem and threat?

    In summary, until proven, we need to stop the massive brainwashing which is the Holocaust. Let’s start discussing Freemasonry and publicizing those aligned with it, those who control it and what their goals are. Think New World Order and One World Government (tyranny and slavery).

    They push their heliocentric globe (fake NASA), dinosaurs, gravity, fluoride, GMO, 5G, Central banks, Corporate US Government based on Admiralty law, Fake terror (Creation of West), False Flags, 9/11 lies, Chemtrail poisoning, vaccines, Agenda 21 “sustainable development” and lies about everything.

    I think I just depressed myself. :)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=merkel+masonic+hand+sign&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6mt7_1ovZAhXFk1kKHWvqCiMQsAQIKA&biw=1469&bih=908

    BTW, everyone should read: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, to understand how the enemy thinks.
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  • @Tyrion 2
    You're not a crusader for truth. You are clearly a very odd and somewhat locked-in obsessive. When I think I spend too much time reading stuff on the internet and that it must crowd out the possibility of me achieving what I want in life, I wonder what on earth you are doing!

    When I think I spend too much time reading stuff on the internet and that it must crowd out the possibility of me achieving what I want in life, I wonder what on earth you are doing!

    You wonder, do you? I gave up on wonder many years ago. I am an information junkie, proud and loud. However, the amount of verifiable and useful information available via Internet has declined precipitously (proportionately speaking) since FB, Twitdom, and the other stuff that occupies the attention of teen girls.

    I predict I’ll be back to books alone within a year.

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  • @Rurik

    so you don’t believe the claims that 6 million Jews were gassed with insecticide and turned into lampshades
     
    of course not

    the truth, as usual, is far more nuanced than the devil's lies we've been inundated with

    but that some Jews suffered and were persecuted and even murdered, I consider a no-brainer. Just as Germans were horrifically murdered and burned alive by the hundreds of thousands, as well as atrocities to go around.

    we've all been sold a cartoon version of that war, (actually all wars), and I support all revisionist efforts to unearth the truth in all cases.

    But claiming there are no photos of murdered or persecuted Jews during what they call their Holocaust, is I believe, just as ruefully dishonest as the preposterous claims of 'six million and lampshades and soap'.

    Some Jews were murdered, just as some Jews were the mass murderers. The fact that the latter has been excluded from the history books, I suspect, leads some people to error in the other direction, once they glimmer the extent of the lies and hysterical blood libels that the German people (in particular) and all Gentiles in general, have been bludgeoned with for so long.

    Nevertheless, I always believe sites like this should seek the truth, no matter how inconvenient to whomever's narrative.

    (I hope that answers to Wally's concerns as well ; )

    the horrors of war are more a chilling testament to human'kind's demonic capacity for hatred and cruelty, than as an accusation of any one tribe or belligerent's behavior at the time.

    The reason I suspect so many are so keen to rewrite the narrative, and totally exonerate some (and demonize the 'others)', is due to the near total monopoly of the lies told about the Holocaust vis-a-vis the Germans at the time. It's been so one-sided for so long, that I suspect some would like to turn those tables a bit. Perhaps that's understandable, but it does not serve the interests of truth.

    IMHO

    Nevertheless, I always believe sites like this should seek the truth, no matter how inconvenient to whomever’s narrative.

    I fully agree with you Rurik.

    As it is proven that if a child is abused by his/her parents, than more likely he/she will abuse her children. And, thus it proves that Holocaust is real and Jews were abused, as they are right now abusing the Palestinians. The cycle continues.

    So, it is good no Palestinians to survive, if any do then they will abuse someone else. The cycle ought to be broken.

    If a parent abuse his/her child, then the parents including the children should be shot so to break the cycle.

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  • @Michael Kenny
    Have the British become extinct? First we have Jayda Fransen, then Jack Sengupta, now Alison Chabloz and Nicholas Kollerstrom, all claiming to be “British” but none of whom have a British, name. Where have all the British gone?

    Yep I’m British to the core. Born in this country, mother British (Barnett) but Father was from down under, his father was Swedish, ‘Kollerstrom’ is a Swedish name.

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  • @Tyrion 2
    As far as I am aware, I am the only artist in modern British history to have been jailed for the heinous crime of composing and singing satirical songs which I uploaded to the Internet.”

    Last year, at least nine people a day were being arrested in the UK on such dubious grounds.

    So which is it? Or is the former the only one worth exploring because it is one of the tiny percentage that involves Jews?

    Both are true. The latter applies to tweets and facebook comments in general.

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  • @Tyrion 2
    You're not a crusader for truth. You are clearly a very odd and somewhat locked-in obsessive. When I think I spend too much time reading stuff on the internet and that it must crowd out the possibility of me achieving what I want in life, I wonder what on earth you are doing!

    Who are you to judge who is a “crusader” for truth and what does that even mean? I don’t recall Wally posting anything about Holy crosses, do you? I can’t deny that Wally is repetitive but the simple truth is that whether by a monstrous lie or monstrous exaggeration the holocaust narrative has provided leverage for great crimes to be committed and then swept under the rug, many of them to the detriment of the American people. That makes some people angry. What’s your story?

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    • Replies: @Wally
    The Crusades would never have happened if the Muslims had not invaded the Christian Holy Land in the first place. The Jews and their left tend to ignore that fact.

    The term 'crusades' is used negatively, wrongly, without it's factual background.

    I'm "repetitive"? So what? I am right. 'Keep it simple' means just that.
    Of course Jews & their shabbos goys here avoid my numerous other citations, links, etc. which are not so "repetitive".

    And we all know that the fake '6M' is 'repeated' 24/7/365.

    www.codoh.com

    , @Tyrion 2
    Omg...
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  • @Wally
    She clearly hates liars. Good for her.

    We'll stop telling the truth about Jews when they stop lying about us.

    I also notice that you cannot prove your hilarious & impossible '6M'.
    And that's what this is all about.

    debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com


    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable 'holocaust' storyline is the message.
     

    You’re not a crusader for truth. You are clearly a very odd and somewhat locked-in obsessive. When I think I spend too much time reading stuff on the internet and that it must crowd out the possibility of me achieving what I want in life, I wonder what on earth you are doing!

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Who are you to judge who is a "crusader" for truth and what does that even mean? I don't recall Wally posting anything about Holy crosses, do you? I can't deny that Wally is repetitive but the simple truth is that whether by a monstrous lie or monstrous exaggeration the holocaust narrative has provided leverage for great crimes to be committed and then swept under the rug, many of them to the detriment of the American people. That makes some people angry. What's your story?
    , @Steve Gittelson

    When I think I spend too much time reading stuff on the internet and that it must crowd out the possibility of me achieving what I want in life, I wonder what on earth you are doing!
     
    You wonder, do you? I gave up on wonder many years ago. I am an information junkie, proud and loud. However, the amount of verifiable and useful information available via Internet has declined precipitously (proportionately speaking) since FB, Twitdom, and the other stuff that occupies the attention of teen girls.

    I predict I'll be back to books alone within a year.
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  • @Randal

    Normal, sane people have been in trouble for simply misspeaking
     
    There's a massive step change between being sacked and generally harassed for saying something disliked by powerful groups, and being actively prosecuted for it with the likelihoood of a prison sentence, a criminal record, and all that follows from those things, if convicted.

    I suspect you would have no difficulty in understanding that, and how it applies in this case, if you weren't blinded by your own identity loyalty.

    It isn’t particularly egregious. She clearly hates Jews and sings it from the rooftops.
     
    What's egregious is not the nature of the target but rather the attempt to shamelessly extend the law and its enforcement into the active suppression of abstract speech ("art") for identity group self-interest.

    As for "she clearly hates Jews", there's no reason to suppose that's the case. She clearly hates jewish nationalism (is a person who hates white "supremacists" necessarily thereby a hater of whites?), and hates some of the things jewish groups collectively do, such as the way the "Holocaust" has been and is actively exploited, but the idea that she hates all jews merely for being jewish is a step further than you can honestly go from the evidence you have, unless you know her personally, and quite well. Which I seriously doubt.

    As a matter of fact I suspect (and have some grounds for believing) she has jewish friends and colleagues whom she has every respect and liking for.

    I’m not defending the action. It is indefensible. I am only taking issue with the obscene cherry-picking used herein to ‘prove’ the strange self-aggrandising/victim-claiming anti-semitism that is incessant in the comments on this website.

    As for Ms Chabloz, I think her videos are prima facie evidence enough to substantiate my characterisation of her. Perhaps and I am wrong and she is merely crazy or loves attention. Whichever way though, it means little to me.

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  • @sarz


    Atzmon is about the only worthwhile thing missing at Unz.
     

     
    Atzmon came close to telling the bald truth about the 'Holocaust' some years ago, the bald truth being that it's all a crock of shit. He mentioned his grandmother died in German captivity but conceded it might have been from overwork. He did go on to mention the voluntary long march back to Germany of the Jewish detainees, at great cost to the Germans. That's something many Jews remember, including Wiesel, and it's not consistent with the 'Holocaust' fable. So, good on Atzmon.

    That's as good as it ever got with him. It's been downhill ever since. The man has deconstructed himself into a cloud of gas. Given the title of his recent book, he's posing as Heidegger. Being in time. But that's what he keeps weaseling out of.

    He won't say the 'Holocaust' story is a crock of shit, because, you know, we are always revising our views. I'm revising away, he says. Look at me being in time!

    It's like someone who refuses to say, "Shame on you for lying. It's a sin.", saying instead, "We are all engaged in subjective value judgments."

    So Gilad, even Galileo said "Eppur, si muove!" If the cat's got your tongue because you fear being rubbed out, my sympathies. I see what's happened to David Cole. They have unmanned him. And they seem to have killed the anonymous owner of judicial-inc.biz (rest in peace, brother).

    If you are living in fear, Gilad, just keep quiet. Don't keep bobbing up to pin a medal to your chest.

    Here’s a quote from the article that the Atzmon admirer above linked to:

    Here is my daily advice to Zionist decision makers and Hasbara merchants; maybe insisting upon an international holocaust memorial day is not a very clever move as long as your Jewish State keeps millions of Palestinians behind separation walls and barbed wires in open air prisons. If you want people to express their empathy with Jewish suffering make sure you don’t perpetrate disasters yourself.

    See what I mean? You can’t really disagree, but the sly implication is supportive of the ‘Holocaust’ fable without really committing to it. Jewish suffering might include six million gassed — or it might not. The damage Atzmon’s statement does is far greater than its surface goodiness. And he does it again and sgain and again. — But hey, that’s being in time. Come crown me the ex-Jewish king of the good Jews.

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  • @Varenik
    2 of my family members survived and lived to tell.

    Tell what ?

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    @Wally
    "About a dozen of my family members died in the gas chambers."

    No they didn't, you have no proof. Zero. Frankly, that's laughable.
    The alleged 'gas chambers' are scientifically impossible, simple as that. But then you are clinging to what has become a religion, so ....

    How could '2 survive to tell the tale'?
    No doubt, a "tale" is what they tell. Of course, you do not say what they "tell", for good reason. If there was ‘a plan to kill every Jew the Germans could get their hands on’ as alleged, then why are there countless numbers of so called “survivor$"?

    The fact that you want Revisionists put into jails is further proof that the absurd & impossible '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are easily debunked frauds. Only lies require censorship.
    Of course, as shown repeatedly at this site, Jews are always trying to impose their hideous lies on others. You fit the mold. You are unhinged. From the fake 'holocaust' to the fake Russian nonsense.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    Wally I was interested to see on TV and to read about the recent work by a British archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colis at Treblinka which, using the latest technology, has disclosed gas chambers and mass burial pits conforming to the evidence of actual witnesses and supporting the estimates of about 800,000 Jews killed there (and 2000 gypsies). I gather that further work has also been done at Sobibor and Belzec confirming that they were, unlike Auschwicz for example, just extermination camps – not in part labor camps.

    Are you up to date with this? Is there any doubt that the Nazis adopted an extermination policy for Jews by early 1942 at latest?

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    Don't make me laugh.

    Did you see the alleged 900,000 Jew remains that are claimed at Treblinka?
    No, you did not.
    Did you actually see a 'gas chamber'?
    No, you did not.
    Well, I believe they did find some buttons.

    Sturdy-Colls is old news, totally debunked, see:
    Mass Graves claimed to be found at Treblinka
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6804
    and:
    Caroline Sturdy-Colls lied.
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11121
    and:
    Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7972
    and:
    Caroline Colls, local girl makes good
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6893
    much more here:
    https://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=sturdy+colls++treblinka&fid%5B0%5D=2

    This is too easy.
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  • Atzmon is about the only worthwhile thing missing at Unz.

    Atzmon came close to telling the bald truth about the ‘Holocaust’ some years ago, the bald truth being that it’s all a crock of shit. He mentioned his grandmother died in German captivity but conceded it might have been from overwork. He did go on to mention the voluntary long march back to Germany of the Jewish detainees, at great cost to the Germans. That’s something many Jews remember, including Wiesel, and it’s not consistent with the ‘Holocaust’ fable. So, good on Atzmon.

    That’s as good as it ever got with him. It’s been downhill ever since. The man has deconstructed himself into a cloud of gas. Given the title of his recent book, he’s posing as Heidegger. Being in time. But that’s what he keeps weaseling out of.

    He won’t say the ‘Holocaust’ story is a crock of shit, because, you know, we are always revising our views. I’m revising away, he says. Look at me being in time!

    It’s like someone who refuses to say, “Shame on you for lying. It’s a sin.”, saying instead, “We are all engaged in subjective value judgments.”

    So Gilad, even Galileo said “Eppur, si muove!” If the cat’s got your tongue because you fear being rubbed out, my sympathies. I see what’s happened to David Cole. They have unmanned him. And they seem to have killed the anonymous owner of judicial-inc.biz (rest in peace, brother).

    If you are living in fear, Gilad, just keep quiet. Don’t keep bobbing up to pin a medal to your chest.

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    Here's a quote from the article that the Atzmon admirer above linked to:

    Here is my daily advice to Zionist decision makers and Hasbara merchants; maybe insisting upon an international holocaust memorial day is not a very clever move as long as your Jewish State keeps millions of Palestinians behind separation walls and barbed wires in open air prisons. If you want people to express their empathy with Jewish suffering make sure you don’t perpetrate disasters yourself.
     

    See what I mean? You can't really disagree, but the sly implication is supportive of the 'Holocaust' fable without really committing to it. Jewish suffering might include six million gassed -- or it might not. The damage Atzmon's statement does is far greater than its surface goodiness. And he does it again and sgain and again. -- But hey, that's being in time. Come crown me the ex-Jewish king of the good Jews.
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  • @Anon
    So your answer is no. I’m not surprised

    That was not my answer.
    Still owning you, however.

    “One should not ask, how this mass murder was made possible. It was technically possible, because it happened. This has to be the obligatory starting-point for any historical research regarding this topic. We would just like to remind you: There is no debate regarding the existence of the gas chambers, and there can never be one.”

    - endorsed by 34 “reputable historians” and published in the French daily Le Monde on February 21, 1979

    http://www.codoh.com

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  • @donut
    In good ole' Nazi times one knew which way the wind was blowing . In the Soviet Union and even more so in "These Marxist States" one never knows . One day striking your enemies with thunder bolts the next being someones cow in the Gulag . And yet I am concerned that the mindless stupidity of the lunatics will triumph over common sense as it has always done .

    Common sense will win. Israel is again asking Poland for some ww2 reparation for Holocaust victims.
    Poland is also being asked by Brussels to accept some rabid Muslims. I think Polaks are on verge of being fed up.

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    Poland is also being asked by Brussels to accept some rabid Muslims. I think Polaks are on verge of being fed up.
     
    Let us hope and pray.
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  • @Rurik

    so you don’t believe the claims that 6 million Jews were gassed with insecticide and turned into lampshades
     
    of course not

    the truth, as usual, is far more nuanced than the devil's lies we've been inundated with

    but that some Jews suffered and were persecuted and even murdered, I consider a no-brainer. Just as Germans were horrifically murdered and burned alive by the hundreds of thousands, as well as atrocities to go around.

    we've all been sold a cartoon version of that war, (actually all wars), and I support all revisionist efforts to unearth the truth in all cases.

    But claiming there are no photos of murdered or persecuted Jews during what they call their Holocaust, is I believe, just as ruefully dishonest as the preposterous claims of 'six million and lampshades and soap'.

    Some Jews were murdered, just as some Jews were the mass murderers. The fact that the latter has been excluded from the history books, I suspect, leads some people to error in the other direction, once they glimmer the extent of the lies and hysterical blood libels that the German people (in particular) and all Gentiles in general, have been bludgeoned with for so long.

    Nevertheless, I always believe sites like this should seek the truth, no matter how inconvenient to whomever's narrative.

    (I hope that answers to Wally's concerns as well ; )

    the horrors of war are more a chilling testament to human'kind's demonic capacity for hatred and cruelty, than as an accusation of any one tribe or belligerent's behavior at the time.

    The reason I suspect so many are so keen to rewrite the narrative, and totally exonerate some (and demonize the 'others)', is due to the near total monopoly of the lies told about the Holocaust vis-a-vis the Germans at the time. It's been so one-sided for so long, that I suspect some would like to turn those tables a bit. Perhaps that's understandable, but it does not serve the interests of truth.

    IMHO

    said:
    “But claiming there are no photos of murdered or persecuted Jews during what they call their Holocaust, is I believe, just as ruefully dishonest …”

    You’re back pedaling and changing the story. I replied to someone who said that ‘so & so liked looking at photos of so called ‘holocaust’ victims’. Please review.

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline claims 11,000,000 MURDERS, of which 6,000,000 are claimed to have been Jews. Hence my challenge for photos of allegedly MURDERED Jews & others in alleged huge, very huge mass graves.
    You did not, cannot provide them, but you did cluelessly provide the very opposite. Photos of those that according to the absurd narrative should have been murdered, but as we see, were quite alive & healthy. Some ‘holocaust’ that was.
    It is you who is being dishonest and are full of hateful Zionist crap. You cannot provide photos of excavations of the alleged huge mass graves where the alleged enormous human remains are shown. Hence my quote:

    We’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    Jews have been spinning their 6M lie since at least since 1869.
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

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    Hi Wally,

    you can also respond to the query I put to Paul

    Does the Holocaust; by definition- depend on the sacred and holy number "six million"?

    if the actual number is five million perhaps, or five thousand murdered..

    then can it still be called the "Holocaust"?

    Can the Holocaust be considered a valid event that happed during WWII, even if it's really nothing more or less than a 'detail of history'?

    Are there parameters- that have been universally decided upon that would allow us to debate the veracity of the "Holocaust", so that we can all agree that if... for instance the removal of Jews from Germany and other occupied territories- from positions of power, and even from the territory itself- is not enough to call the event the "Holocaust", but that we also need to prove the "six million" number, would the other side ((officialdom / TPTB)) agree to this sticking point?

    and if not, then I propose that we'd all just be talking past each other, trying to debate the veracity of an event, about which there isn't even a definition.

    Some people claim that the Holodomor didn't happen, because the famine was not a deliberate act of the Soviet government. That you see is the crux of the matter. Did those people die in a deliberate campaign to genocide an entire class of people (independent-minded white Christians of ability) off the earth for all time..? Or was the famine a result of forces that had nothing to do with the Soviets?

    The actual numbers don't matter, what matters is the intention and acts of the Soviet government.

    Did Stalin want those people to starve by the millions? If yes, then the Holodomor happened. If not, then perhaps it was just an unfortunate act of God (and a blood libel hoax on poor Lazar Kaganovich)

    We require the same kind of definition of the Holocaust, or the debate seems to me rather pointless.

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  • @Varenik
    Fuck her and Kollerstrom.
    About a dozen of my family members died in the gas chambers.
    2 survived to tell the tale.
    NONE of my family wanted to nor received ANY restitution.
    The ditty is hateful and as far as I am concerned she could rot in jail till her miserable life is over.
    Did it ever occur to you, ignoramuses, that Unz might simply be doing the same thing Russians are doing with western propaganda - letting the idiots have their say for all Russians to see, judge and come to their own conclusions, the more ignorant and hateful those idiots are the better ?

    The death toll clearly wasn’t enough.

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    hopefully your children and theirs suffer the same fate.
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  • Everywhere the fuckers go the same shit ensues.

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  • @Rurik

    so you don’t believe the claims that 6 million Jews were gassed with insecticide and turned into lampshades
     
    of course not

    the truth, as usual, is far more nuanced than the devil's lies we've been inundated with

    but that some Jews suffered and were persecuted and even murdered, I consider a no-brainer. Just as Germans were horrifically murdered and burned alive by the hundreds of thousands, as well as atrocities to go around.

    we've all been sold a cartoon version of that war, (actually all wars), and I support all revisionist efforts to unearth the truth in all cases.

    But claiming there are no photos of murdered or persecuted Jews during what they call their Holocaust, is I believe, just as ruefully dishonest as the preposterous claims of 'six million and lampshades and soap'.

    Some Jews were murdered, just as some Jews were the mass murderers. The fact that the latter has been excluded from the history books, I suspect, leads some people to error in the other direction, once they glimmer the extent of the lies and hysterical blood libels that the German people (in particular) and all Gentiles in general, have been bludgeoned with for so long.

    Nevertheless, I always believe sites like this should seek the truth, no matter how inconvenient to whomever's narrative.

    (I hope that answers to Wally's concerns as well ; )

    the horrors of war are more a chilling testament to human'kind's demonic capacity for hatred and cruelty, than as an accusation of any one tribe or belligerent's behavior at the time.

    The reason I suspect so many are so keen to rewrite the narrative, and totally exonerate some (and demonize the 'others)', is due to the near total monopoly of the lies told about the Holocaust vis-a-vis the Germans at the time. It's been so one-sided for so long, that I suspect some would like to turn those tables a bit. Perhaps that's understandable, but it does not serve the interests of truth.

    IMHO

    Rurik,

    I agree with so much of what you write. But my research is showing zionist/ Jewish involvement in all wars over the last 200-300 years, with the control of banking and freemasonry. Especially WW2 financing both sides. When you understand the Balfour Declaration and Transfer Agreement this explains some of the motives (involving WW1 & WW2). With the media and governments controlled by the same group, the truth is another casualty. I know you agree with this.

    To Wally’s point, where is the proof of extermination, versus death from starvation (from supply lines cut) and typhoid disease, the result of war in general as it relates to work camps? It was claimed 4.5M Jews died in Auschwitz, but the numbers dwindled likely as a result of brave researchers proving otherwise and going to jail for it. The fact that one goes to jail for providing contrary evidence to the “agreed narrative” tells us everything we need to know. They’re lying. But the number of Jews who perished at Auschwitz was reduced to 1.5M as reflected in a new plaque. So the total 6M number (for the Holocaust) was reduced by 3M but yet still remained at 6M. Make sense? Of course not. Then Auschwitz was further reduced to 1.1M of which 900k were Jews. Yet the 6M number still stands. Meanwhile the Red Cross calculated approximately 270k Jews died as a result of starvation and typhoid, no mention of death camps, gassing and extermination.

    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/06/red-cross-expose-judaic-holocaust-hoax/

    A lot of analysis was done with regard to how it’s physically possible to gas that many people and if they had the facilities to do so. I haven’t been shown evidence to support the possibility. Only the contrary.

    Virtually everything we’ve learned and are told by the media, and our history books, is a lie. What about the Russian Revolution? Who was it led by and how many millions of Christian’s perished? Yet it’s not discussed that Jews led this, financed by American Jews/zionists.

    I’m open minded, if there’s concrete proof of death camps and extermination that can be shown, I’ll research it, analyze it and perhaps change my mind. IF it happened, of course it’s horrific. But as you know better than most, 9/11 is a complete lie, done to further the interests largely of the cabal, to get the US to invade the 7 countries Israel wanted decimated. It also brought us the Patriot Act to further remove our freedoms and create a police state, a direct goal of 9/11. Knowing this and all the others lies call into question “a narrative that doesn’t deviate over time and will never be influenced by new data since it’s not allowed”.

    I’m seeking the truth on all matters. If anyone can prove me wrong, please do.

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    Hello Paul,

    With the media and governments controlled by the same group, the truth is another casualty. I know you agree with this.
     
    in spades Paul!

    To Wally’s point, where is the proof of extermination...
     
    but to my point, I wholly admit, (that unless you're talking about lice, [or the German people themselves*]) there was no extermination or any intention for it. At least as far as the evidence I've seen.

    The fact that one goes to jail for providing contrary evidence to the “agreed narrative” tells us everything we need to know. They’re lying.
     
    yes, of course they are! Truth does not need gendarmes and bludgeons to 'prove' it's veracity. The second someone tells you; 'you will believe this or else', is the second you know they're full of shit.

    So the total 6M number (for the Holocaust) was reduced by 3M but yet still remained at 6M. Make sense? Of course not
     
    because the number is an obvious lie/exaggeration

    Virtually everything we’ve learned and are told by the media, and our history books, is a lie.
     
    I agree Paul.

    IF it happened,
     
    You capitalize the word 'IF' Paul, but I'd prefer to concentrate for the moment on the word 'it'.

    What is 'it'?

    If we can't define it, then how do we know what it is, or even if it happened?

    So, first off, in defining it, I would posit that the Holocaust, (with all the gloomy, solemn intonations notwithstanding) was an event much like The Trail of Tears, for instance. That did happen, but the details about which are often deliberately skewed for myriad reasons and effect.

    Imagine if our banks- and consequently our media and courts and universities and cultural institutions and federal government and so forth, were all owned and/or controlled by descendants of the Amerindians that suffered during the Trail of Tears. I suspect that were that the case, that then the 'it', ethnic cleansing of the Amerindian, including murders, would be very near the levels of hysteria that the Holocaust is today. There'd be museums galore and a movie/TV show every week. We'd be hearing about the survivors and paying reparations out our collective wazoo.

    But instead, it's Jews who own our banks, and therefor all the rest. And so it's the Holocaust we're all berated with 24/7, 365, decade after lugubrious decade.

    (perhaps that's not fair to the Amerindian, as they don't seem to be congenital whiners ; )

    Anyways, the point is that something happened, and that if it were no more murderous or villainous than the internment of Japanese Americans during the war (as Wally pointed out), then they're still entitled to give that event a name, no?

    I sometimes wonder if the Holocaust wasn't more to do about what had been lost to the Jews of Germany, than anything that might have happened to them. During the Weimar regime, the Jews who flooded into Germany after the punishing cruelty of the Versailles Treaty, had turned Germany into their private playground, with German children as their amusements, and the German nation as their toy. If you think the outrages against decency being exposed in Hollywood, with rampant pedophilia and sexual depravity on the powerless is bad, then you have no idea what it was like for the Germans of Weimar. The poor Jews lost all that when the Nazis came to power, and just that loss must have stung painfully. If they wanted to call that removal from all the significant positions of power- that the Nazis surely did to them.. the Holocaust, then why not let them?

    So I feel like it's imperative that the word 'Holocaust' have a definition, if we're going to be able to debate its historical veracity.

    Does it mean - that "six million died in a deliberate 'final solution' to gas and otherwise genocide every last Jew from the earth, including sadistic experiments and lampshades made from skin and soap made from fat...."

    if so, then I absolutely would say that 'it' never happened. And that it's all basically a lie, and a fraud and a hoax.

    but...

    if it, meaning the Holocaust, can mean that millions of Jews were persecuted, and even thousands (or more) were murdered, and that when the Nazis came into Poland, that the Polish people immediately rounded up the Bolshevik Jews who had been murdering their relatives, and killed them on the spot. As no doubt happened in Hungary and elsewhere where the Jewish Cheka/NKVD were cruelly oppressing and menacing the people.

    Can the Holocaust mean less than the holy "six million"? If only five million died, would they still be able to call it the Holocaust?

    I've never seen that question answered by either side.

    I've had my coffee, and could write more, but I'm going to leave it at that.

    If only five million, or five thousand died, but it included the removal of Jews from absolute domination of Germany by the Nazis, and included laws that singled out Jews for restrictions on their behavior, and included the expulsion or otherwise migration of Jews to Palestine and elsewhere, should the Jews of today be allowed to call that 'catastrophe' to their happiness at the time; the Holocaust??

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    * Morgenthau Plan
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  • the current wave of censorship is essentially thought police.

    nothing can be allow to threaten the narrative.

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  • @Wally
    Yawn again. You boys sure are taking a beating here. Get used to it.
    But being a Jew, you might like this:
    tax exempt cash taken in by USHMM, aka: ‘Holocau$t’ Theme Park, for fiscal year 2016:
    $151,826,695.00
    $151,826,695.00
    https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/042717-IRS-Form-990-FY16.pdf
    US taxpayers money to the USHMM in the 2017 budget:
    56,999,500.00
    https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/20160209-fy17-pres-budget-request.pdf

    “we’ve often fantasized about drawing up an indictment against Adolf Hitler himself. And to put into that indictment the major charge: the Final Solution of the Jewish question in Europe, the physical annihilation of Jewry. And then it dawned upon us, what would we do? We didn’t have the evidence.”
    - Zionist "historian" Raul Hilberg
     

    So your answer is no. I’m not surprised

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    • Replies: @Wally
    That was not my answer.
    Still owning you, however.

    "One should not ask, how this mass murder was made possible. It was technically possible, because it happened. This has to be the obligatory starting-point for any historical research regarding this topic. We would just like to remind you: There is no debate regarding the existence of the gas chambers, and there can never be one."

    - endorsed by 34 "reputable historians" and published in the French daily Le Monde on February 21, 1979
     
    www.codoh.com
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    How long can they keep the holohoax and the 6 million dead jews going? Is holocaust denial now going to be universal? Does every white person have to be put in jail now for not believeing this nonsense? Gas chambers and lamp shades? Even the jews have come forth and said they made it all up.

    They’ve extorted billions of dollars from Germany and many other countries. Enough is enough.

    Tell the truth JEWS. or face a REAL holocaust.

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  • @Michael Kenny
    Have the British become extinct? First we have Jayda Fransen, then Jack Sengupta, now Alison Chabloz and Nicholas Kollerstrom, all claiming to be “British” but none of whom have a British, name. Where have all the British gone?

    You have to watch out for those Kollerstroms. When one of them shows up in your neighborhood, there goes the neighborhood.

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  • @Bruford
    "only a complete fool would pretend that no Jews (or Poles or Catholics or homosexuals, etc…) were ever persecuted and (sometimes) executed during the war."

    Right: so you don't believe the claims that 6 million Jews were gassed with insecticide and turned into lampshades and soap, leaving no other remains behind?

    so you don’t believe the claims that 6 million Jews were gassed with insecticide and turned into lampshades

    of course not

    the truth, as usual, is far more nuanced than the devil’s lies we’ve been inundated with

    but that some Jews suffered and were persecuted and even murdered, I consider a no-brainer. Just as Germans were horrifically murdered and burned alive by the hundreds of thousands, as well as atrocities to go around.

    we’ve all been sold a cartoon version of that war, (actually all wars), and I support all revisionist efforts to unearth the truth in all cases.

    But claiming there are no photos of murdered or persecuted Jews during what they call their Holocaust, is I believe, just as ruefully dishonest as the preposterous claims of ‘six million and lampshades and soap’.

    Some Jews were murdered, just as some Jews were the mass murderers. The fact that the latter has been excluded from the history books, I suspect, leads some people to error in the other direction, once they glimmer the extent of the lies and hysterical blood libels that the German people (in particular) and all Gentiles in general, have been bludgeoned with for so long.

    Nevertheless, I always believe sites like this should seek the truth, no matter how inconvenient to whomever’s narrative.

    (I hope that answers to Wally’s concerns as well ; )

    the horrors of war are more a chilling testament to human’kind’s demonic capacity for hatred and cruelty, than as an accusation of any one tribe or belligerent’s behavior at the time.

    The reason I suspect so many are so keen to rewrite the narrative, and totally exonerate some (and demonize the ‘others)’, is due to the near total monopoly of the lies told about the Holocaust vis-a-vis the Germans at the time. It’s been so one-sided for so long, that I suspect some would like to turn those tables a bit. Perhaps that’s understandable, but it does not serve the interests of truth.

    IMHO

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    Rurik,

    I agree with so much of what you write. But my research is showing zionist/ Jewish involvement in all wars over the last 200-300 years, with the control of banking and freemasonry. Especially WW2 financing both sides. When you understand the Balfour Declaration and Transfer Agreement this explains some of the motives (involving WW1 & WW2). With the media and governments controlled by the same group, the truth is another casualty. I know you agree with this.

    To Wally's point, where is the proof of extermination, versus death from starvation (from supply lines cut) and typhoid disease, the result of war in general as it relates to work camps? It was claimed 4.5M Jews died in Auschwitz, but the numbers dwindled likely as a result of brave researchers proving otherwise and going to jail for it. The fact that one goes to jail for providing contrary evidence to the "agreed narrative" tells us everything we need to know. They're lying. But the number of Jews who perished at Auschwitz was reduced to 1.5M as reflected in a new plaque. So the total 6M number (for the Holocaust) was reduced by 3M but yet still remained at 6M. Make sense? Of course not. Then Auschwitz was further reduced to 1.1M of which 900k were Jews. Yet the 6M number still stands. Meanwhile the Red Cross calculated approximately 270k Jews died as a result of starvation and typhoid, no mention of death camps, gassing and extermination.

    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/06/red-cross-expose-judaic-holocaust-hoax/

    A lot of analysis was done with regard to how it's physically possible to gas that many people and if they had the facilities to do so. I haven't been shown evidence to support the possibility. Only the contrary.

    Virtually everything we've learned and are told by the media, and our history books, is a lie. What about the Russian Revolution? Who was it led by and how many millions of Christian's perished? Yet it's not discussed that Jews led this, financed by American Jews/zionists.

    I'm open minded, if there's concrete proof of death camps and extermination that can be shown, I'll research it, analyze it and perhaps change my mind. IF it happened, of course it's horrific. But as you know better than most, 9/11 is a complete lie, done to further the interests largely of the cabal, to get the US to invade the 7 countries Israel wanted decimated. It also brought us the Patriot Act to further remove our freedoms and create a police state, a direct goal of 9/11. Knowing this and all the others lies call into question "a narrative that doesn't deviate over time and will never be influenced by new data since it's not allowed".

    I'm seeking the truth on all matters. If anyone can prove me wrong, please do.
    , @Wally
    said:
    "But claiming there are no photos of murdered or persecuted Jews during what they call their Holocaust, is I believe, just as ruefully dishonest ..."

    You're back pedaling and changing the story. I replied to someone who said that 'so & so liked looking at photos of so called 'holocaust' victims'. Please review.

    The 'holocaust' storyline claims 11,000,000 MURDERS, of which 6,000,000 are claimed to have been Jews. Hence my challenge for photos of allegedly MURDERED Jews & others in alleged huge, very huge mass graves.
    You did not, cannot provide them, but you did cluelessly provide the very opposite. Photos of those that according to the absurd narrative should have been murdered, but as we see, were quite alive & healthy. Some 'holocaust' that was.
    It is you who is being dishonest and are full of hateful Zionist crap. You cannot provide photos of excavations of the alleged huge mass graves where the alleged enormous human remains are shown. Hence my quote:


    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.
     
    Jews have been spinning their 6M lie since at least since 1869.
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php
    http://balder.org/judea/billeder-judea/Scan-New-York-Times-Six-Million-Since-1869-Composite.jpg
    , @Dan Herman

    Nevertheless, I always believe sites like this should seek the truth, no matter how inconvenient to whomever’s narrative.
     
    I fully agree with you Rurik.

    As it is proven that if a child is abused by his/her parents, than more likely he/she will abuse her children. And, thus it proves that Holocaust is real and Jews were abused, as they are right now abusing the Palestinians. The cycle continues.

    So, it is good no Palestinians to survive, if any do then they will abuse someone else. The cycle ought to be broken.

    If a parent abuse his/her child, then the parents including the children should be shot so to break the cycle.
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