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    The April 14 missile attacks on Syria were a politically-motivated fireworks display that were largely designed to silence Trump's critics. The attacks-- which were coordinated with Moscow-- did not kill any Russian, Syrian, Iranian or Hezbollah combat troops. They did not kill any Syrian civilians. They did not impede the Syrian Army's ongoing military offensive...
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    It may be that Trump knows exactly what he is doing and has tricked the neo-cons/noe-liberals in to thinking he’s tough on Syria and Russia while behind their backs colluding with Putin to avoid ww3 and working to pull out of Syria regardless.

    The strike was really just a $150million advertising opportunity for Russian missil defense systems. The idiot general that announced 100% success should be fired as spokesperson for the pentagon-deep state. His ploy might have had a chance at being credible with a 93% success rate but 100% was never going to be credible!

    As for Bolton and Pompeo, keep your enemies close so you know what they are doing, tell them what they want to hear, let them imagine they are powerful and then take them down when they least expect it.

    Anything is possible here. Ya can’t just mate the king in a castled position. Ya have to pin, skewer, fork and threat to win. Bolton could be neocon prophylactic . He could be Sheldon brand ,TM oven mitts for red hot neocon buttons. Maybe he will toss Bolton after this at some point. I mean to do neocon stuff without a Bolton would tend to stick more to Trump. That would be really Machiavellian stuff….

    It would also be really kind of funny if Russia baited this for their arms industry. What will really be telling is their sales of these systems in the next few years. It was a weapons demo.

    As for domestically?

    scenario #1
    Our missiles are crap and need to be updated?
    They are? Prove it.
    Fire some missile at Syria and see what happens.

    scenario #2
    Sheldon has some cash.
    for what?
    You have to take in Bolton and take his advice.
    Trump does so with disinterest , an lobs a few..

    scenario #3

    Trump had a spicy meal last night….

    scenario #4
    He has eyes for Bibi and his playboy life style is just a front….or he is a regular old crypto-zionist.

    I mean what is to make of lobbing a few in half hearted , neocon fashion?

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    It may be that Trump knows exactly what he is doing and has tricked the neo-cons/noe-liberals in to thinking he’s tough on Syria and Russia while behind their backs colluding with Putin to avoid ww3 and working to pull out of Syria regardless.

    The strike was really just a $150million advertising opportunity for Russian missil defense systems. The idiot general that announced 100% success should be fired as spokesperson for the pentagon-deep state. His ploy might have had a chance at being credible with a 93% success rate but 100% was never going to be credible!

    As for Bolton and Pompeo, keep your enemies close so you know what they are doing, tell them what they want to hear, let them imagine they are powerful and then take them down when they least expect it.

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    Anything is possible here. Ya can't just mate the king in a castled position. Ya have to pin, skewer, fork and threat to win. Bolton could be neocon prophylactic . He could be Sheldon brand ,TM oven mitts for red hot neocon buttons. Maybe he will toss Bolton after this at some point. I mean to do neocon stuff without a Bolton would tend to stick more to Trump. That would be really Machiavellian stuff....

    It would also be really kind of funny if Russia baited this for their arms industry. What will really be telling is their sales of these systems in the next few years. It was a weapons demo.

    As for domestically?

    scenario #1
    Our missiles are crap and need to be updated?
    They are? Prove it.
    Fire some missile at Syria and see what happens.

    scenario #2
    Sheldon has some cash.
    for what?
    You have to take in Bolton and take his advice.
    Trump does so with disinterest , an lobs a few..

    scenario #3

    Trump had a spicy meal last night....

    scenario #4
    He has eyes for Bibi and his playboy life style is just a front....or he is a regular old crypto-zionist.


    I mean what is to make of lobbing a few in half hearted , neocon fashion?
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  • FB says:
    @gwynedd1
    In case it was not clear, I gathered you were making the points you were trying to make while they were fishing for weakness because they really don't like you. I gave the reasons why I have come to believe this in a few posts.

    You are exactly right…and your comments are appreciated…

    It is rather annoying when people jump in and start ‘sniping’ as you put it…but my annoyance is that they are sowing confusion where I am trying to bring clarity…

    I felt it was necessary to explain the self-contained guidance system of cruise missiles because laypeople generally do have these misconceptions that they rely on satellites only…they do make use of satnav for greater precision…but any radio signal can be interfered with and so there is a science behind that which I felt was worth explaining…

    I really don’t care about yahoos like Turdeye…except that they are disruptive mischief makers…and thanks for confirming that intelligent readers do in fact have an interest in discerning some scientific facts about these matters…

    Regards,

    FB

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  • @FB

    I am left to wonder how angular momentum has nothing to do with inertia myself?
     
    I spent quite a bit of time explaining the relationship between momentum and inertia did I not...?

    ...including defining mathematically both linear and rotational momentum and how they relate to inertia...

    Maybe you missed all that while scanning the Bible Gateway site...?

    Inertia is an easy concept to grasp...as is the way it relates to momentum...

    An object in motion...whether translating in a straight line...or rotating about an axis will have momentum...depending on its mass and velocity if translating...and its moment of inertia and angular velocity if rotating...

    This quantity of momentum is what gives the moving object inertia...ie the propensity to continue its motion and to resist outside forces acting on it...

    The way this applies to a spinning wheel [gyroscope] is that it is the inertia that is the thing doing the resisting...

    That is all we need to understand if we are talking about gyroscopes because the key thing here is that they are designed to keep spinning in their orientation and not move...

    In other words...they are a reference frame...one for each axis of three dimensional space...or more precisely the three axes of the rigid body flight vehicle...

    The asswipe 'Turdeye 'jumped in like a monkey waving a banana because he doesn't understand that conservation of momentum is not relevant to the gyroscope in a nav system...UNLESS a torque is applied to that gyro's axis of rotation...

    But this does not happen because the gyro is on gimbals that isolate it from outside torques...

    The whole idea of the gyro as a spatial and axial reference is for it to remain always in its orientation...

    You seem to have caught on to this already in your previous comment addressed to Turdeye...

    '...I think what you mean is a gyroscope responds to torque forces when pulling on the string on my childhood toy, but that is just to create the gyroscopic effect. The inertia of the gyro is not supposed to have forces acting on it after creating the gyroscopic effect. That is the point of them. Its an on board independent reference is it not...'
     

    Bingo...

    So it is a matter of where do we apply these ideas of 'inertia' and 'conservation of momentum'...?

    That's what this is all about...science is precise and the language is nuanced...

    Also the math is meant to be applied to specific problems...

    For instance...conservation of linear momentum is used in collisions...such as car collisions...where we apply the math to determine what happened AFTER a collision...

    There is no need to think about conservation of momentum while driving along...it is enough to say the moving body has inertia...

    The same in rotational dynamics...the gyroscope is specifically designed to NOT have any forces or torques acting on it...

    But a spinning helicopter rotor is a different matter...it is also a large gyroscope but it has all kinds of outside torques and forces acting on it...

    Hence...we need to now apply the math of conservation of momentum in order to solve these questions...

    Kapish...?

    I hope this makes sense...you seem like exactly the kind of reader that I had in mind when I responded to the nitwit Turdeye...

    PS...I wish you hadn't given him that link to the equations for moment of inertia...now he'll be able to solve the problem I gave him that he otherwise never would have...

    In case it was not clear, I gathered you were making the points you were trying to make while they were fishing for weakness because they really don’t like you. I gave the reasons why I have come to believe this in a few posts.

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    You are exactly right...and your comments are appreciated...

    It is rather annoying when people jump in and start 'sniping' as you put it...but my annoyance is that they are sowing confusion where I am trying to bring clarity...

    I felt it was necessary to explain the self-contained guidance system of cruise missiles because laypeople generally do have these misconceptions that they rely on satellites only...they do make use of satnav for greater precision...but any radio signal can be interfered with and so there is a science behind that which I felt was worth explaining...

    I really don't care about yahoos like Turdeye...except that they are disruptive mischief makers...and thanks for confirming that intelligent readers do in fact have an interest in discerning some scientific facts about these matters...

    Regards,

    FB

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  • FB says:
    @gwynedd1
    "So for the benefit of readers on this thread"

    So you are not accused of making an assumption...

    "Saying that it is not inertia, but angular momentum that keeps the spinning wheel from resisting a change in its axis is nonsensical…"

    Again I used the principle of fundamentals.

    I am left to wonder how angular momentum has nothing to do with inertia myself?

    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mi.html#mi

    "Moment of inertia"

    I am an amoral and irreligious, but I still like this quote:


    18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ 19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ But wisdom is justified by her children.”

    I notice when I form arguments based upon my own actions I am accused as having no authority by the peanut galleries . Then after citing my sources I am accused for lacking my own content.

    Anyway I can appreciate the length of your threads are difficult to defend and it creates many snipping opportunities.

    Anyway my reply is state they you have certainly convinced my that the lay public assumes much about cruse missiles while being in error.

    I am left to wonder how angular momentum has nothing to do with inertia myself?

    I spent quite a bit of time explaining the relationship between momentum and inertia did I not…?

    …including defining mathematically both linear and rotational momentum and how they relate to inertia…

    Maybe you missed all that while scanning the Bible Gateway site…?

    Inertia is an easy concept to grasp…as is the way it relates to momentum…

    An object in motion…whether translating in a straight line…or rotating about an axis will have momentum…depending on its mass and velocity if translating…and its moment of inertia and angular velocity if rotating…

    This quantity of momentum is what gives the moving object inertia…ie the propensity to continue its motion and to resist outside forces acting on it…

    The way this applies to a spinning wheel [gyroscope] is that it is the inertia that is the thing doing the resisting…

    That is all we need to understand if we are talking about gyroscopes because the key thing here is that they are designed to keep spinning in their orientation and not move…

    In other words…they are a reference frame…one for each axis of three dimensional space…or more precisely the three axes of the rigid body flight vehicle…

    The asswipe ‘Turdeye ‘jumped in like a monkey waving a banana because he doesn’t understand that conservation of momentum is not relevant to the gyroscope in a nav system…UNLESS a torque is applied to that gyro’s axis of rotation…

    But this does not happen because the gyro is on gimbals that isolate it from outside torques…

    The whole idea of the gyro as a spatial and axial reference is for it to remain always in its orientation…

    You seem to have caught on to this already in your previous comment addressed to Turdeye…

    ‘…I think what you mean is a gyroscope responds to torque forces when pulling on the string on my childhood toy, but that is just to create the gyroscopic effect. The inertia of the gyro is not supposed to have forces acting on it after creating the gyroscopic effect. That is the point of them. Its an on board independent reference is it not…’

    Bingo…

    So it is a matter of where do we apply these ideas of ‘inertia’ and ‘conservation of momentum’…?

    That’s what this is all about…science is precise and the language is nuanced…

    Also the math is meant to be applied to specific problems…

    For instance…conservation of linear momentum is used in collisions…such as car collisions…where we apply the math to determine what happened AFTER a collision…

    There is no need to think about conservation of momentum while driving along…it is enough to say the moving body has inertia…

    The same in rotational dynamics…the gyroscope is specifically designed to NOT have any forces or torques acting on it…

    But a spinning helicopter rotor is a different matter…it is also a large gyroscope but it has all kinds of outside torques and forces acting on it…

    Hence…we need to now apply the math of conservation of momentum in order to solve these questions…

    Kapish…?

    I hope this makes sense…you seem like exactly the kind of reader that I had in mind when I responded to the nitwit Turdeye…

    PS…I wish you hadn’t given him that link to the equations for moment of inertia…now he’ll be able to solve the problem I gave him that he otherwise never would have…

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    In case it was not clear, I gathered you were making the points you were trying to make while they were fishing for weakness because they really don't like you. I gave the reasons why I have come to believe this in a few posts.
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  • @FB
    You really have a lot of nerve for a RETARD...

    Let's review here...

    First you stated that gyros don't run on the principle of inertia...which is complete bullshit...it is a spinning wheel's inertia...rotational inertia to be specific...that keeps a gyro from resisting a change of direction to its spinning axis...

    Saying that it is not inertia, but angular momentum that keeps the spinning wheel from resisting a change in its axis is nonsensical...

    You obviously do not understand the relationship between inertia and angular momentum...

    So for the benefit of readers on this thread...[not for an obvious idiot like you who is incapable of learning]...I will explain the physics involved...

    Let's first start by defining inertia and then momentum...and what these two terms actually mean and how they are related...


    '...Inertia is the resistance of any physical object to any change in its state of motion. This includes changes to the object's speed, direction, or state of rest...'
     
    Newton articulated inertia thus...

    '...The vis insita, or innate force of matter, is a power of resisting by which every body, as much as in it lies, endeavours to preserve its present state, whether it be of rest or of moving uniformly forward in a straight line...'
     
    This is known as the First Law of Motion...

    Newton was talking about motion in a straight line here...but the same property of inertia applies to a rotating object...ie its rotational inertia is what 'endeavours to preserve its present state'...in the words of the Great Man himself...


    '...Another form of inertia is rotational inertia (→ moment of inertia), the property that a rotating rigid body maintains its state of uniform rotational motion...'
     
    Now let's precisely define momentum...both linear and rotational...so that we may see how the property of inertia...ie a body's tendency to keep [or conserve] its original state of motion...arises out of momentum...

    Linear momentum [or translational momentum] is simply mass x velocity...so a person of 100 kg running at 5 meters per second will have a momentum of 500 kg*m/s...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/u6ptpng65/Linear_Momentum.jpg


    --Serway, Physics for Scientists and Engineers, page 248...

    Or From a similar text by Knight...page 242...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/xrlp8qn8t/Linear_Momentum_Knight.jpg

    p being momentum...and mass being m...v being velocity...


    For those who do not have this book or similar...wikipedia entry on momentum is adequate to understanding this...

    Let us consider now that runner above and imagine that he is a football player...another player runs into him and shoves him off his course and out of bounds...

    What has happened here is that the inertia of the runner was disturbed by the force of the collision with another player...

    If that runner was a truck that had a mass of 10,000 kg instead of 100...obviously that other player running into such a truck would not be able to shove the truck aside...

    That is due to the inertia of that moving truck...

    It is the same thing with a rotating object which has inertia also...and it is the inertia that resists force that is applied to it...

    So we see that inertia is a function of momentum...ie the greater the momentum the more inertia the moving object possesses...not the other way around...


    It is the inertia that is the property that resists any force applied to it...

     

    Now let's look at rotational [or angular] momentum...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/e23ewnab1/Angular_Momentum_Serway.jpg


    We see here that angular momentum is defined as...


    L = I x ώ
     
    Where L is the angular momentum...I is the moment of inertia...and ώ is the angular velocity...

    We compare this equation to linear momentum where P = m x v

    P being momentum...m being mass...and v being linear velocity...

    We notice that these two equations are the same except that there is no mass in the angular momentum equation...

    The mass is replaced by the moment of inertia...I...


    '...Notice that moment of inertia is the rotational equivalent of mass...'
     
    --Knight, page 346...[Knight's emphasis not mine]

    Knight goes on to articulate the nuances of this distinction...


    '...Recall that the quantity we call mass was actually defined as the inertial mass. Objects with larger mass have a larger inertia, meaning that they're harder to accelerate. Similarly, an object with a larger moment of inertia is harder to rotate. The fact that moment of inertia retains the word "inertia' reminds us of this...'
     
    --Knight, page 346-7 [all emphasis by Knight]

    So like I already pointed out to you...you are only causing confusion with your stupidity...

    The reason that a spinning gyro...or any rotating object has resistance to being deflected off its axis of rotation is due to its inertia...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqHXFKJddfM

    As for your other gibberish about gyroscopes in inertial nav systems...you squawked this...


    '...You are wrong in attributing positioning to the gyroscope. That role is filled by the accelerometers...'
     
    What a complete and utter asswipe you are...

    What does that piece of gibberish even mean...?

    Where did I ever 'attribute' positioning [whatever the hell that is supposed to mean] to gyroscopes...?

    Please look at my comment #102...

    I clearly explained how inertial nav systems are able to use gyroscopes to determine their geographical position...


    '...Knowing the exact geographic coordinates from where you started the flight…the inertial system can thus calculate your position at any time during the flight based on the accelerations of the vehicle that have occurred since moment one…'
     
    And...

    '...A computer is used to do the math…namely two integrations [calculus] which are required to take the gyro sensor inputs and convert them to a position fix…'

     

    What an idiot you are...what do you think a 'sensor' means...?

    How any person with even a retarded tiny brain could come away with that from my clear and precise explanation is beyond comprehension...

    And let's look at what you just shat out here...


    '...The gyroscope does not respond to changes in X, Y, or Z positioning or velocity. It responds to torque forces that perturb its rotational axis, i.e. angular momentum...'
     
    What an utter idiot...you think you can bullshit here because you assume some of the readers may not understand your meaningless bird squawks...

    Again...my explanation of how an inertial nav system works on the basis of gyros is 100 percent correct...you are either completely retarded or cannot read or comprehend...

    I think it is a combination of both...as you are unable to express yourself in a precise way that is required of the subject matter...

    No...the gyroscope does not 'respond to torque forces'...because there are none acting on it you idiot...the gyroscope is mounted in a gimbal which isolates it from the accelerations experienced by the craft...and allows it to remain in its orientation...ie its inertial frame of reference you utter idiot...


    '... I am quite acquainted with Newtonian physics after completing a year at university level (straight-A in case you were wondering) plus geophysics...'
     
    Wow...a whole year of undergrad physics...that's impressive...[yet you showed you are not even able to solve a triangle on the other thread...]

    So since you have such a strong 'acquaintance' with physics and gyroscopes...and even aircraft autopilot systems and inertial nav systems...then you should not have any problem in solving for the moment of inertia of a disk on an axis...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/dj2x18qbh/Disk_Moment_of_Inertia.jpg


    Good luck moron...

    “So for the benefit of readers on this thread”

    So you are not accused of making an assumption…

    “Saying that it is not inertia, but angular momentum that keeps the spinning wheel from resisting a change in its axis is nonsensical…”

    Again I used the principle of fundamentals.

    I am left to wonder how angular momentum has nothing to do with inertia myself?

    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mi.html#mi

    “Moment of inertia”

    I am an amoral and irreligious, but I still like this quote:

    18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ 19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ But wisdom is justified by her children.”

    I notice when I form arguments based upon my own actions I am accused as having no authority by the peanut galleries . Then after citing my sources I am accused for lacking my own content.

    Anyway I can appreciate the length of your threads are difficult to defend and it creates many snipping opportunities.

    Anyway my reply is state they you have certainly convinced my that the lay public assumes much about cruse missiles while being in error.

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    I am left to wonder how angular momentum has nothing to do with inertia myself?
     
    I spent quite a bit of time explaining the relationship between momentum and inertia did I not...?

    ...including defining mathematically both linear and rotational momentum and how they relate to inertia...

    Maybe you missed all that while scanning the Bible Gateway site...?

    Inertia is an easy concept to grasp...as is the way it relates to momentum...

    An object in motion...whether translating in a straight line...or rotating about an axis will have momentum...depending on its mass and velocity if translating...and its moment of inertia and angular velocity if rotating...

    This quantity of momentum is what gives the moving object inertia...ie the propensity to continue its motion and to resist outside forces acting on it...

    The way this applies to a spinning wheel [gyroscope] is that it is the inertia that is the thing doing the resisting...

    That is all we need to understand if we are talking about gyroscopes because the key thing here is that they are designed to keep spinning in their orientation and not move...

    In other words...they are a reference frame...one for each axis of three dimensional space...or more precisely the three axes of the rigid body flight vehicle...

    The asswipe 'Turdeye 'jumped in like a monkey waving a banana because he doesn't understand that conservation of momentum is not relevant to the gyroscope in a nav system...UNLESS a torque is applied to that gyro's axis of rotation...

    But this does not happen because the gyro is on gimbals that isolate it from outside torques...

    The whole idea of the gyro as a spatial and axial reference is for it to remain always in its orientation...

    You seem to have caught on to this already in your previous comment addressed to Turdeye...

    '...I think what you mean is a gyroscope responds to torque forces when pulling on the string on my childhood toy, but that is just to create the gyroscopic effect. The inertia of the gyro is not supposed to have forces acting on it after creating the gyroscopic effect. That is the point of them. Its an on board independent reference is it not...'
     

    Bingo...

    So it is a matter of where do we apply these ideas of 'inertia' and 'conservation of momentum'...?

    That's what this is all about...science is precise and the language is nuanced...

    Also the math is meant to be applied to specific problems...

    For instance...conservation of linear momentum is used in collisions...such as car collisions...where we apply the math to determine what happened AFTER a collision...

    There is no need to think about conservation of momentum while driving along...it is enough to say the moving body has inertia...

    The same in rotational dynamics...the gyroscope is specifically designed to NOT have any forces or torques acting on it...

    But a spinning helicopter rotor is a different matter...it is also a large gyroscope but it has all kinds of outside torques and forces acting on it...

    Hence...we need to now apply the math of conservation of momentum in order to solve these questions...

    Kapish...?

    I hope this makes sense...you seem like exactly the kind of reader that I had in mind when I responded to the nitwit Turdeye...

    PS...I wish you hadn't given him that link to the equations for moment of inertia...now he'll be able to solve the problem I gave him that he otherwise never would have...

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  • @Thirdeye
    Sorry chump, you're the one with your ignorance flapping in the breeze. I am quite acquainted with Newtonian physics after completing a year at university level (straight-A in case you were wondering) plus geophysics. You are wrong in attributing positioning to the gyroscope. That role is filled by the accelerometers, with horizontal, vertical, and lateral velocity being the integrals of their X ,Y, and Z inputs. The gyroscope does not respond to changes in X, Y, or Z positioning or velocity. It responds to torque forces that perturb its rotational axis, i.e. angular momentum. Most gyroscopic systems use feedback from the gimball suspension to correct orientation of the craft, either as a pilot aid (artificial horizon) or automated system (autopilot, etc). The WWII gyroscopic gun sights were examples of mechanical computers that used the the rate of perturbation for lead correction. In the case of gyroscopic stabilization (distinct from autopilot), the feedback is, like the old gun sights, proportional to the rate of perturbation to counteract the inertia of the craft during such perturbations.

    Copying information off the web is one thing and understanding it is another, as you should have learned by now. You are a blowhard with an inflated notion of his understanding of physics.

    OK I am not following. Granted I am not in my field of expertise. I am trying to see which of you has any credibility.

    Your fist comment appeared to be correcting FB by correcting a cat comment by saying its a Russian Blue. All motion is going to axiomatically follow laws of physics involving motion and you said its “wrong”.??? It would seem that inertia does apply to gyroscopes and it could only be criticized for a lack of precision , if applicable.

    Now this one you say ” gyroscope does not respond to changes in X, Y, or Z positioning”

    Well no , not relative to an independent object. That is the idea of them.

    “It responds to torque forces that perturb its rotational axis, i.e. angular momentum”

    I think what you mean is a gyroscope responds to torque forces when pulling on the string on my childhood toy, but that is just to create the gyroscopic effect. The inertia of the gyro is not supposed to have forces acting on it after creating the gyroscopic effect. That is the point of them. Its an on board independent reference is it not.

    This does not make FB wrong about gyroscopes by changing the context of what is being discussed.

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  • @Twodees Partain
    >Yawn< You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit what you write.

    If you didn’t care then you would not have replied. People generally reply to things they care about. I don’t care about baby rattles, for example. So you will notice I have not replied to a thread about them.

    Now I care about your reply because I enjoy exposing idiots.

    Do you see the difference in presenting an argument based upon some evidence? And what was you original post about? You were trying lick wounds with your ally. That is what people who doubt their own resources do. They gather consensus because wish to overwhelm by the superiority of numbers.

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  • FB says:
    @Thirdeye
    Sorry chump, you're the one with your ignorance flapping in the breeze. I am quite acquainted with Newtonian physics after completing a year at university level (straight-A in case you were wondering) plus geophysics. You are wrong in attributing positioning to the gyroscope. That role is filled by the accelerometers, with horizontal, vertical, and lateral velocity being the integrals of their X ,Y, and Z inputs. The gyroscope does not respond to changes in X, Y, or Z positioning or velocity. It responds to torque forces that perturb its rotational axis, i.e. angular momentum. Most gyroscopic systems use feedback from the gimball suspension to correct orientation of the craft, either as a pilot aid (artificial horizon) or automated system (autopilot, etc). The WWII gyroscopic gun sights were examples of mechanical computers that used the the rate of perturbation for lead correction. In the case of gyroscopic stabilization (distinct from autopilot), the feedback is, like the old gun sights, proportional to the rate of perturbation to counteract the inertia of the craft during such perturbations.

    Copying information off the web is one thing and understanding it is another, as you should have learned by now. You are a blowhard with an inflated notion of his understanding of physics.

    You really have a lot of nerve for a RETARD…

    Let’s review here…

    First you stated that gyros don’t run on the principle of inertia…which is complete bullshit…it is a spinning wheel’s inertia…rotational inertia to be specific…that keeps a gyro from resisting a change of direction to its spinning axis…

    Saying that it is not inertia, but angular momentum that keeps the spinning wheel from resisting a change in its axis is nonsensical…

    You obviously do not understand the relationship between inertia and angular momentum…

    So for the benefit of readers on this thread…[not for an obvious idiot like you who is incapable of learning]…I will explain the physics involved…

    Let’s first start by defining inertia and then momentum…and what these two terms actually mean and how they are related…

    ‘…Inertia is the resistance of any physical object to any change in its state of motion. This includes changes to the object’s speed, direction, or state of rest…’

    Newton articulated inertia thus…

    ‘…The vis insita, or innate force of matter, is a power of resisting by which every body, as much as in it lies, endeavours to preserve its present state, whether it be of rest or of moving uniformly forward in a straight line…’

    This is known as the First Law of Motion…

    Newton was talking about motion in a straight line here…but the same property of inertia applies to a rotating object…ie its rotational inertia is what ‘endeavours to preserve its present state’…in the words of the Great Man himself…

    ‘…Another form of inertia is rotational inertia (→ moment of inertia), the property that a rotating rigid body maintains its state of uniform rotational motion…’

    Now let’s precisely define momentum…both linear and rotational…so that we may see how the property of inertia…ie a body’s tendency to keep [or conserve] its original state of motion…arises out of momentum…

    Linear momentum [or translational momentum] is simply mass x velocity…so a person of 100 kg running at 5 meters per second will have a momentum of 500 kg*m/s…

    –Serway, Physics for Scientists and Engineers, page 248…

    Or From a similar text by Knight…page 242…


    p being momentum…and mass being m…v being velocity…

    For those who do not have this book or similar…wikipedia entry on momentum is adequate to understanding this…

    Let us consider now that runner above and imagine that he is a football player…another player runs into him and shoves him off his course and out of bounds…

    What has happened here is that the inertia of the runner was disturbed by the force of the collision with another player…

    If that runner was a truck that had a mass of 10,000 kg instead of 100…obviously that other player running into such a truck would not be able to shove the truck aside…

    That is due to the inertia of that moving truck…

    It is the same thing with a rotating object which has inertia also…and it is the inertia that resists force that is applied to it…

    So we see that inertia is a function of momentum…ie the greater the momentum the more inertia the moving object possesses…not the other way around…

    It is the inertia that is the property that resists any force applied to it…

    Now let’s look at rotational [or angular] momentum…

    We see here that angular momentum is defined as…

    L = I x ώ

    Where L is the angular momentum…I is the moment of inertia…and ώ is the angular velocity…

    We compare this equation to linear momentum where P = m x v

    P being momentum…m being mass…and v being linear velocity…

    We notice that these two equations are the same except that there is no mass in the angular momentum equation…

    The mass is replaced by the moment of inertia…I…

    ‘…Notice that moment of inertia is the rotational equivalent of mass…’

    –Knight, page 346…[Knight's emphasis not mine]

    Knight goes on to articulate the nuances of this distinction…

    ‘…Recall that the quantity we call mass was actually defined as the inertial mass. Objects with larger mass have a larger inertia, meaning that they’re harder to accelerate. Similarly, an object with a larger moment of inertia is harder to rotate. The fact that moment of inertia retains the word “inertia’ reminds us of this…’

    –Knight, page 346-7 [all emphasis by Knight]

    So like I already pointed out to you…you are only causing confusion with your stupidity…

    The reason that a spinning gyro…or any rotating object has resistance to being deflected off its axis of rotation is due to its inertia…

    As for your other gibberish about gyroscopes in inertial nav systems…you squawked this…

    ‘…You are wrong in attributing positioning to the gyroscope. That role is filled by the accelerometers…’

    What a complete and utter asswipe you are…

    What does that piece of gibberish even mean…?

    Where did I ever ‘attribute’ positioning [whatever the hell that is supposed to mean] to gyroscopes…?

    Please look at my comment #102…

    I clearly explained how inertial nav systems are able to use gyroscopes to determine their geographical position…

    ‘…Knowing the exact geographic coordinates from where you started the flight…the inertial system can thus calculate your position at any time during the flight based on the accelerations of the vehicle that have occurred since moment one…’

    And…

    ‘…A computer is used to do the math…namely two integrations [calculus] which are required to take the gyro sensor inputs and convert them to a position fix…’

    What an idiot you are…what do you think a ‘sensor’ means…?

    How any person with even a retarded tiny brain could come away with that from my clear and precise explanation is beyond comprehension…

    And let’s look at what you just shat out here…

    ‘…The gyroscope does not respond to changes in X, Y, or Z positioning or velocity. It responds to torque forces that perturb its rotational axis, i.e. angular momentum…’

    What an utter idiot…you think you can bullshit here because you assume some of the readers may not understand your meaningless bird squawks…

    Again…my explanation of how an inertial nav system works on the basis of gyros is 100 percent correct…you are either completely retarded or cannot read or comprehend…

    I think it is a combination of both…as you are unable to express yourself in a precise way that is required of the subject matter…

    No…the gyroscope does not ‘respond to torque forces’…because there are none acting on it you idiot…the gyroscope is mounted in a gimbal which isolates it from the accelerations experienced by the craft…and allows it to remain in its orientation…ie its inertial frame of reference you utter idiot…

    ‘… I am quite acquainted with Newtonian physics after completing a year at university level (straight-A in case you were wondering) plus geophysics…’

    Wow…a whole year of undergrad physics…that’s impressive…[yet you showed you are not even able to solve a triangle on the other thread...]

    So since you have such a strong ‘acquaintance’ with physics and gyroscopes…and even aircraft autopilot systems and inertial nav systems…then you should not have any problem in solving for the moment of inertia of a disk on an axis…

    Good luck moron…

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    "So for the benefit of readers on this thread"

    So you are not accused of making an assumption...

    "Saying that it is not inertia, but angular momentum that keeps the spinning wheel from resisting a change in its axis is nonsensical…"

    Again I used the principle of fundamentals.

    I am left to wonder how angular momentum has nothing to do with inertia myself?

    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mi.html#mi

    "Moment of inertia"

    I am an amoral and irreligious, but I still like this quote:


    18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ 19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ But wisdom is justified by her children.”

    I notice when I form arguments based upon my own actions I am accused as having no authority by the peanut galleries . Then after citing my sources I am accused for lacking my own content.

    Anyway I can appreciate the length of your threads are difficult to defend and it creates many snipping opportunities.

    Anyway my reply is state they you have certainly convinced my that the lay public assumes much about cruse missiles while being in error.
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  • ANON[490] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thirdeye
    The objectives of the 1956 War went far beyond protecting Britain's interest in the canal. They included deposing Nasser to end his nationalist policies and, as far as France was concerned, end Egypt's support for Algerian independence. The Suez Canal would have been restored as a British colony as surely as the Canal Zone is an American colony. The Protocols of Sevres negotiated between Britain, France, and Israel made that quite clear.

    Certainly France had a quasi imperial objective in mind – if you ignore the actual legal status of Algeria. (And getting rid of Nasser as the leader of Arab nationalism and potential ally of the USSR was certainly an objective). But……your trying to support your original statement wrt British imperial dominion is looking a bit desperate when you refer to the Suez Canal Zone as a “colony”, past or prospective. That would require a novel definition of colony.

    Your bigger problem is a word beginning with “b”. Let’s be polite and call it bluffing. You call the Protocol of Sèvres in aid but you haven’t actually read it (I say as an indirect tribute to your presumed intelligence). Far from that secret agreement making it clear that the Canal Zone would become a British Colony it refers only to “temporary occupation” by “Anglo-French [sic] forces”.

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  • @c matt
    One can only hope that the attack was coordinated with the Russians; that would give a glimmer of hope that some sanity remains somewhere in DC (District of Criminals).

    I don't know if Trump is being forced into this neocon trap, or if he simply played us. Either way, the result is almost the same (at least if he is being forced, there is a slim chance he could outmaneuver them).

    “…there is a slim chance he could outmaneuver them…”

    He outmaneuvered them to win the GOP primary. He outmaneuvered them to win the general election. He outmaneuvered them after the previous chemical weapons false flag, and has now outmaneuvered them after this one. The Deep State/CIA-sponsored jihadists execute a phony chemical weapons attack, he executes a bit of phony “retaliation” kabuki. Then the world opinion settles into two groups: those that “get it” (wink, wink), and those that don’t.

    Despite being a complete newbie, Trump is instinctively good at this game. After just over a year, he is playing at a much higher level than his adversaries. And he still has two years and nine months to go ***in only his first term***.

    There is only a slim chance they will outmaneuver him.

    The Dems are following the same “Here comes the blue wave” self-delusion in the run-up to the 2018 mid-terms, that cost them in 2016, where it took the form of “Here comes Hillary”. And the GOP “Never Trumpers” are bailing. So let’s just see what happens in November. Will Trump be weakened or strengthened?

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  • Guess, this is what has convinced the miserable Macron that Assad must be stripped of Légion d’honneur award:

    https://www.truthdig.com/articles/syrian-military-pummels-is-held-districts-in-damascus/

    http://yournewswire.com/assad-us-support-terrorists-by-calling-them-moderates/

    Assad is right: Macron is a property of ziocons and war profiteers.

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  • @gwynedd1
    I have been on this board several years , idiot. So once again we have you babbling about things you clearly no nothing about. Do you ever do any kind of fact checking at all ?

    >Yawn< You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit what you write.

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    If you didn't care then you would not have replied. People generally reply to things they care about. I don't care about baby rattles, for example. So you will notice I have not replied to a thread about them.

    Now I care about your reply because I enjoy exposing idiots.

    Do you see the difference in presenting an argument based upon some evidence? And what was you original post about? You were trying lick wounds with your ally. That is what people who doubt their own resources do. They gather consensus because wish to overwhelm by the superiority of numbers.
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  • @ANON
    You said "imperial dominion", now you say "colonial" (true enough of France in Indo-China and, despite Algeria being Departement of France, in Algeria too - except that France had Algeria at the end of WW2 and didn't have to reconquer it). Both are inaccurate in relation to Suez which was a reaction to Nasser's nationalising of the private company which owned and ran the Suez Canal in which the British government held 40 per cent of the shares. It had nothing to do with recovering imperial dominion after WW2.

    The objectives of the 1956 War went far beyond protecting Britain’s interest in the canal. They included deposing Nasser to end his nationalist policies and, as far as France was concerned, end Egypt’s support for Algerian independence. The Suez Canal would have been restored as a British colony as surely as the Canal Zone is an American colony. The Protocols of Sevres negotiated between Britain, France, and Israel made that quite clear.

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    Certainly France had a quasi imperial objective in mind - if you ignore the actual legal status of Algeria. (And getting rid of Nasser as the leader of Arab nationalism and potential ally of the USSR was certainly an objective). But......your trying to support your original statement wrt British imperial dominion is looking a bit desperate when you refer to the Suez Canal Zone as a "colony", past or prospective. That would require a novel definition of colony.

    Your bigger problem is a word beginning with "b". Let's be polite and call it bluffing. You call the Protocol of Sèvres in aid but you haven't actually read it (I say as an indirect tribute to your presumed intelligence). Far from that secret agreement making it clear that the Canal Zone would become a British Colony it refers only to "temporary occupation" by "Anglo-French [sic] forces".

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  • @FB

    '...Wrong. Gyroscopes work from conservation of angular momentum. Angular momentum is sensitive to changes in the orientation of the gyroscope, not movement of the gyroscope that does not change its orientation. It is not a positioning device...'
     
    That is complete gibberish...

    Are you trying to prove beyond doubt that you are a complete idiot...?

    Are you even vaguely acquainted with Newtonian Mechanics...?

    Obviously not...just as you are not even vaguely capable of solving a triangle as I proved on the other thread...

    Everything I said about gyroscopes and how an inertial system works is 100 percent correct...and quite helpfully explained to the layman...as at least one appreciative comment has shown...

    Since your knowledge of inertial nav systems is ZERO...you may want to first look at this...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/nco980vml/INS_1.jpg


    And...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/7efji4m1p/INS_2.jpg


    And...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/gyz650qt9/INS_3.jpg


    What a spectacular moron you are...

    Note what I said in my above comment...

    '...Early mechanical systems were based on spinning gyro wheels...Newer inertial nav systems use gyros employing laser or fiber optics or even more esoteric devices…'
     
    Do you see that mechanical gyro wheel in the above diagram...?

    Do you see the laser ring gyro and fiber optic gyro there...?

    What is your general problem...?...[other than being an obvious RETARD...?]


    https://s20.postimg.cc/6dfat4ut9/INS_4.jpg


    Can you read what is says there MORON-BOY...?

    '...Three gyros and three accelerometers are normally combined in an inertial measurement unit (IMU)...'
     
    And what did I say above...?

    '...Notice the three laser gyros and their orientation relative to one another…so that they may measure accelerations about the flight vehicles three respective axes as illustrated above…'
     
    What a complete and utter idiot you are...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/lasd7gxb1/INS_5.jpg


    I assume you know how to read in the English language...?[although nothing is a given when dealing with brainless plankton]

    '...Integrating the sensed acceleration will give velocity.

    ...A second integration gives position...'
     
    And what did I say above...?

    '...A computer is used to do the math…namely two integrations [calculus] which are required to take the gyro sensor inputs and convert them to a position fix…'
     
    I think you deserve some kind of prize for most spectacular idiot on Unz Review...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/u5t7i444t/INS_6.jpg

    '...The combination of an IMU and a computer running navigation equations is called an Inertial Navigation System (INS)...'
     
    What a Monkey Man...let's look at your pearls of wisdom...


    …since gyroscopes work on the principle of inertia as per Newton’s First Law of Motion…
     
    Wrong. Gyroscopes work from conservation of angular momentum.
     
    Let us see how Sir Isaac expressed himself...[although I am quite sure that he could never imagine an idiot of your magnitude poking his nose into this...]

    '...Newton’s first law of motion, sometimes called the law of inertia, defines a special set of reference frames called inertial frames. This law can be stated as follows:

    If an object does not interact with other objects, it is possible to identify a reference frame in which the object has zero acceleration.

    Such a reference frame is called an inertial frame of reference.

    In the absence of external forces and when viewed from an inertial reference frame, an object at rest remains at rest and an object in motion continues in motion with a constant velocity (that is, with a constant speed in a straight line).
     
    --Serway, Physics for Scientists and Engineers, page 113.

    So the idea of inertia is quite clearly stated and easy to understand...an object at rest will remain at rest unless acted on by an external force...an object in motion will remain in motion unless acted on by an external force...

    It matters not whether the momentum is an object moving in a straight line...or rotating...

    In physics, angular momentum... is the rotational equivalent of linear momentum.
     
    And from Serway...page 335...

    In analogy to the principle of conservation of linear momentum, there is also a principle of conservation of angular momentum. The angular momentum of an isolated system is constant.
     
    That is the principle of the gyroscope...it has inertia...not as movement in a straight line, but as rotation...

    When outside forces act on this wheel...such as the aircraft banking about its lateral axis...the wheel's inertia keeps it spinning in its orientation...as the mount to the aircraft is a gimbal that allows the aircraft to rotate about its lateral axis...while the gyro remains upright or horizontal or some other orientation as the case may be...depending on the aircraft axis [or axes] of rotation that is being sensed...

    This is visually displayed on the pilot's instrument panel as a bank indication relative to the horizon...

    For the purposes of an INS nav system...an accelerometer attached to the gyro will record the angular acceleration of the aircraft about its lateral axis...

    By using a computer that keeps track of each such acceleration about each of the three axes as illustrated in my comment above...we are able to determine the aircraft's geographic position by performing two mathematical integrations as outlined above...

    '...Angular momentum is sensitive to changes in the orientation of the gyroscope, not movement of the gyroscope that does not change its orientation. It is not a positioning device...'
     
    What the hell does that gibberish even mean...?

    A mechanical gyro in an airplane does not change its orientation...

    It is mounted on gimbals that allow it to remain in its orientation...which orientation is maintained due to its inertia...as I already stated...

    It is the airplane that changes its orientation...not the gyro...

    Here is cutaway illustration of a mechanical gyro used for an aircraft attitude indicator...also known as an 'artificial horizon'...

    This from the FAA manual 'Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge'...available for download here...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/nuo01j2ul/Attitude_Gyro_1.jpg


    Chapter 7, page 18 describes how the above attitude gyro works...


    '...The gyro spins in the horizontal plane and resists deflection of the rotational path. Since the gyro relies on rigidity in space, the aircraft actually rotates around the spinning gyro...'
     
    Thanks for your verbal farts monkeyboy...you have only been a huge nuisance to people who actually are curious about some technical things that they would like to see explained...

    Even a cat knows to go and discreetly do her business in the litter box...but you don't give a crap about squatting over this discussion board and crapping all over everyone's head...do you...?

    How could you...an ignorant and stupid bullshit artiste who goes around picking arguments and then gets squashed like a bug...

    Sorry chump, you’re the one with your ignorance flapping in the breeze. I am quite acquainted with Newtonian physics after completing a year at university level (straight-A in case you were wondering) plus geophysics. You are wrong in attributing positioning to the gyroscope. That role is filled by the accelerometers, with horizontal, vertical, and lateral velocity being the integrals of their X ,Y, and Z inputs. The gyroscope does not respond to changes in X, Y, or Z positioning or velocity. It responds to torque forces that perturb its rotational axis, i.e. angular momentum. Most gyroscopic systems use feedback from the gimball suspension to correct orientation of the craft, either as a pilot aid (artificial horizon) or automated system (autopilot, etc). The WWII gyroscopic gun sights were examples of mechanical computers that used the the rate of perturbation for lead correction. In the case of gyroscopic stabilization (distinct from autopilot), the feedback is, like the old gun sights, proportional to the rate of perturbation to counteract the inertia of the craft during such perturbations.

    Copying information off the web is one thing and understanding it is another, as you should have learned by now. You are a blowhard with an inflated notion of his understanding of physics.

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    You really have a lot of nerve for a RETARD...

    Let's review here...

    First you stated that gyros don't run on the principle of inertia...which is complete bullshit...it is a spinning wheel's inertia...rotational inertia to be specific...that keeps a gyro from resisting a change of direction to its spinning axis...

    Saying that it is not inertia, but angular momentum that keeps the spinning wheel from resisting a change in its axis is nonsensical...

    You obviously do not understand the relationship between inertia and angular momentum...

    So for the benefit of readers on this thread...[not for an obvious idiot like you who is incapable of learning]...I will explain the physics involved...

    Let's first start by defining inertia and then momentum...and what these two terms actually mean and how they are related...


    '...Inertia is the resistance of any physical object to any change in its state of motion. This includes changes to the object's speed, direction, or state of rest...'
     
    Newton articulated inertia thus...

    '...The vis insita, or innate force of matter, is a power of resisting by which every body, as much as in it lies, endeavours to preserve its present state, whether it be of rest or of moving uniformly forward in a straight line...'
     
    This is known as the First Law of Motion...

    Newton was talking about motion in a straight line here...but the same property of inertia applies to a rotating object...ie its rotational inertia is what 'endeavours to preserve its present state'...in the words of the Great Man himself...


    '...Another form of inertia is rotational inertia (→ moment of inertia), the property that a rotating rigid body maintains its state of uniform rotational motion...'
     
    Now let's precisely define momentum...both linear and rotational...so that we may see how the property of inertia...ie a body's tendency to keep [or conserve] its original state of motion...arises out of momentum...

    Linear momentum [or translational momentum] is simply mass x velocity...so a person of 100 kg running at 5 meters per second will have a momentum of 500 kg*m/s...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/u6ptpng65/Linear_Momentum.jpg


    --Serway, Physics for Scientists and Engineers, page 248...

    Or From a similar text by Knight...page 242...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/xrlp8qn8t/Linear_Momentum_Knight.jpg

    p being momentum...and mass being m...v being velocity...


    For those who do not have this book or similar...wikipedia entry on momentum is adequate to understanding this...

    Let us consider now that runner above and imagine that he is a football player...another player runs into him and shoves him off his course and out of bounds...

    What has happened here is that the inertia of the runner was disturbed by the force of the collision with another player...

    If that runner was a truck that had a mass of 10,000 kg instead of 100...obviously that other player running into such a truck would not be able to shove the truck aside...

    That is due to the inertia of that moving truck...

    It is the same thing with a rotating object which has inertia also...and it is the inertia that resists force that is applied to it...

    So we see that inertia is a function of momentum...ie the greater the momentum the more inertia the moving object possesses...not the other way around...


    It is the inertia that is the property that resists any force applied to it...

     

    Now let's look at rotational [or angular] momentum...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/e23ewnab1/Angular_Momentum_Serway.jpg


    We see here that angular momentum is defined as...


    L = I x ώ
     
    Where L is the angular momentum...I is the moment of inertia...and ώ is the angular velocity...

    We compare this equation to linear momentum where P = m x v

    P being momentum...m being mass...and v being linear velocity...

    We notice that these two equations are the same except that there is no mass in the angular momentum equation...

    The mass is replaced by the moment of inertia...I...


    '...Notice that moment of inertia is the rotational equivalent of mass...'
     
    --Knight, page 346...[Knight's emphasis not mine]

    Knight goes on to articulate the nuances of this distinction...


    '...Recall that the quantity we call mass was actually defined as the inertial mass. Objects with larger mass have a larger inertia, meaning that they're harder to accelerate. Similarly, an object with a larger moment of inertia is harder to rotate. The fact that moment of inertia retains the word "inertia' reminds us of this...'
     
    --Knight, page 346-7 [all emphasis by Knight]

    So like I already pointed out to you...you are only causing confusion with your stupidity...

    The reason that a spinning gyro...or any rotating object has resistance to being deflected off its axis of rotation is due to its inertia...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqHXFKJddfM

    As for your other gibberish about gyroscopes in inertial nav systems...you squawked this...


    '...You are wrong in attributing positioning to the gyroscope. That role is filled by the accelerometers...'
     
    What a complete and utter asswipe you are...

    What does that piece of gibberish even mean...?

    Where did I ever 'attribute' positioning [whatever the hell that is supposed to mean] to gyroscopes...?

    Please look at my comment #102...

    I clearly explained how inertial nav systems are able to use gyroscopes to determine their geographical position...


    '...Knowing the exact geographic coordinates from where you started the flight…the inertial system can thus calculate your position at any time during the flight based on the accelerations of the vehicle that have occurred since moment one…'
     
    And...

    '...A computer is used to do the math…namely two integrations [calculus] which are required to take the gyro sensor inputs and convert them to a position fix…'

     

    What an idiot you are...what do you think a 'sensor' means...?

    How any person with even a retarded tiny brain could come away with that from my clear and precise explanation is beyond comprehension...

    And let's look at what you just shat out here...


    '...The gyroscope does not respond to changes in X, Y, or Z positioning or velocity. It responds to torque forces that perturb its rotational axis, i.e. angular momentum...'
     
    What an utter idiot...you think you can bullshit here because you assume some of the readers may not understand your meaningless bird squawks...

    Again...my explanation of how an inertial nav system works on the basis of gyros is 100 percent correct...you are either completely retarded or cannot read or comprehend...

    I think it is a combination of both...as you are unable to express yourself in a precise way that is required of the subject matter...

    No...the gyroscope does not 'respond to torque forces'...because there are none acting on it you idiot...the gyroscope is mounted in a gimbal which isolates it from the accelerations experienced by the craft...and allows it to remain in its orientation...ie its inertial frame of reference you utter idiot...


    '... I am quite acquainted with Newtonian physics after completing a year at university level (straight-A in case you were wondering) plus geophysics...'
     
    Wow...a whole year of undergrad physics...that's impressive...[yet you showed you are not even able to solve a triangle on the other thread...]

    So since you have such a strong 'acquaintance' with physics and gyroscopes...and even aircraft autopilot systems and inertial nav systems...then you should not have any problem in solving for the moment of inertia of a disk on an axis...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/dj2x18qbh/Disk_Moment_of_Inertia.jpg


    Good luck moron...

    , @gwynedd1
    OK I am not following. Granted I am not in my field of expertise. I am trying to see which of you has any credibility.

    Your fist comment appeared to be correcting FB by correcting a cat comment by saying its a Russian Blue. All motion is going to axiomatically follow laws of physics involving motion and you said its "wrong".??? It would seem that inertia does apply to gyroscopes and it could only be criticized for a lack of precision , if applicable.

    Now this one you say " gyroscope does not respond to changes in X, Y, or Z positioning"

    Well no , not relative to an independent object. That is the idea of them.

    "It responds to torque forces that perturb its rotational axis, i.e. angular momentum"

    I think what you mean is a gyroscope responds to torque forces when pulling on the string on my childhood toy, but that is just to create the gyroscopic effect. The inertia of the gyro is not supposed to have forces acting on it after creating the gyroscopic effect. That is the point of them. Its an on board independent reference is it not.

    This does not make FB wrong about gyroscopes by changing the context of what is being discussed.
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  • ANON[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thirdeye
    Read up on Britain and France's role in the Suez Crisis. Granted that was a political, not military, defeat, but it was a blatant attempt to re-establish colonial dominion by force in contravention of the UN Charter. France's Algerian War also had a colonial character.

    You said “imperial dominion”, now you say “colonial” (true enough of France in Indo-China and, despite Algeria being Departement of France, in Algeria too – except that France had Algeria at the end of WW2 and didn’t have to reconquer it). Both are inaccurate in relation to Suez which was a reaction to Nasser’s nationalising of the private company which owned and ran the Suez Canal in which the British government held 40 per cent of the shares. It had nothing to do with recovering imperial dominion after WW2.

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    The objectives of the 1956 War went far beyond protecting Britain's interest in the canal. They included deposing Nasser to end his nationalist policies and, as far as France was concerned, end Egypt's support for Algerian independence. The Suez Canal would have been restored as a British colony as surely as the Canal Zone is an American colony. The Protocols of Sevres negotiated between Britain, France, and Israel made that quite clear.
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  • @Vojkan
    Well, I realised he was definitely an idiot with his roll-pitch-yaw picture. Anyone who has ever played a flight simulator know what it is and what a gyroscope is. Assuming that I didn't know demonstrates his level of idiocy. The fact that it is totally irrelevant to the issue of GPS beams jamming in order to throw a missile off its course notwithstanding.
    The fact that he wishes for WW3 as relief for very personal frustrations demonstrates that he's not only an idiot, he's also mentally ill.

    The combination of:

    …relief for very personal frustrations…

    with

    ….also mentally ill…

    sums it well.
    I’d add a bit of age with a decent dose of deep hatred of some ethic groups, and that’s the combo.

    There is at least one of such types on any loosely moderated Webzine/forum.

    Act accordingly.

    Good is, apart from occasional highly quality post here (or anywhere) the best thing about Internet anonymous posting is “people watching”.Glimpsing the reality. Seeing us, in all our glory.
    Or not.

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  • @ANON
    Do you know what you are talking about or are you just repeating half educated American prejudices. France fought to reestablish control over French Indo-China but the British didn"t have to as their colonial wars were only establishing peaceful conditions for devolution of power to the native people who all joined the Commonwealth of Nations on independence.

    Read up on Britain and France’s role in the Suez Crisis. Granted that was a political, not military, defeat, but it was a blatant attempt to re-establish colonial dominion by force in contravention of the UN Charter. France’s Algerian War also had a colonial character.

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    You said "imperial dominion", now you say "colonial" (true enough of France in Indo-China and, despite Algeria being Departement of France, in Algeria too - except that France had Algeria at the end of WW2 and didn't have to reconquer it). Both are inaccurate in relation to Suez which was a reaction to Nasser's nationalising of the private company which owned and ran the Suez Canal in which the British government held 40 per cent of the shares. It had nothing to do with recovering imperial dominion after WW2.
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  • FB says:
    @FB
    A slight correction to my above text...in regard to the attitude gyro...

    '...such as the aircraft banking about its lateral axis...'
     
    That is incorrect...the airplane banks about its longitudinal axis...

    Here are the three axes of an aircraft...or any flight vehicle...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/o11p4oh59/Flight_Axes.jpg


    We can see that the vehicle can move about any of the three axes...in two directions about each...for six degrees of freedom...


    Also this illustration of the attitude gyro as seen from the pilot's seat would be helpful...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/frptqf0bh/Attitude_Gyro_2.jpg


    The small bar in the center of the instrument display face is the 'horizon bar'...and is attached to the spinning gyro...and thus always remains in this orientation...just as the actual horizon remains in its place as a visual reference point...

    The face of the display with the blue on the top representing the sky...and the dark on the bottom representing earth...is attached to the airplane and moves about the airplanes long axis as the airplane banks...thus showing the juxtaposition of the aircraft in reference to the horizon...

    In the case of the attitude indicator the gyro is oriented in the horizontal plane as shown already...here is that illustration again...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/nuo01j2ul/Attitude_Gyro_1.jpg


    In this case the gimbals on which the gyro is mounted allow for movement in both the longitudinal plane [wing bank left or right]...and the lateral plane [nose pitch up or down]...

    Thus the display shows both pitch and bank...as seen above on the cockpit display...

    Here is another helpful illustration of the above gyroscope in motion…

    We see here the gyroscope as in the attitude indicator above oriented in the horizontal plane…

    Its spinning motion give it inertia…which keeps it oriented always in its horizontal plane…

    The two gimbal mounts are free to rotate about the longitudianl axis and the lateral axis…as can be seen by the movement of those gimbals…

    The gimbals are attached to the aircraft [or any flight vehicle] so that as the vehicle rotates about those two axes…the gyroscope remains in its original orientation always…

    The instrument face is configured so that the movement of the aircraft shows its bank angle and pitch angle as described above…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyroscope

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  • ANON[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thirdeye
    We're seeing a pattern - broken only by France staying distant from the 2003 Iraq invasion - of the most solid support for American imperial adventures being from the two powers who held worldwide empires as of 1939, lost them as a political price of getting bailed out of their predicaments in World War II, and were defeated militarily and politically in attempts to re-establish imperial dominion during the 1950s and 60s. Playing "me too" under the American umbrella is their last remaining hope of regaining empire.

    Do you know what you are talking about or are you just repeating half educated American prejudices. France fought to reestablish control over French Indo-China but the British didn”t have to as their colonial wars were only establishing peaceful conditions for devolution of power to the native people who all joined the Commonwealth of Nations on independence.

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    Read up on Britain and France's role in the Suez Crisis. Granted that was a political, not military, defeat, but it was a blatant attempt to re-establish colonial dominion by force in contravention of the UN Charter. France's Algerian War also had a colonial character.
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  • FB says:
    @FB

    '...Wrong. Gyroscopes work from conservation of angular momentum. Angular momentum is sensitive to changes in the orientation of the gyroscope, not movement of the gyroscope that does not change its orientation. It is not a positioning device...'
     
    That is complete gibberish...

    Are you trying to prove beyond doubt that you are a complete idiot...?

    Are you even vaguely acquainted with Newtonian Mechanics...?

    Obviously not...just as you are not even vaguely capable of solving a triangle as I proved on the other thread...

    Everything I said about gyroscopes and how an inertial system works is 100 percent correct...and quite helpfully explained to the layman...as at least one appreciative comment has shown...

    Since your knowledge of inertial nav systems is ZERO...you may want to first look at this...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/nco980vml/INS_1.jpg


    And...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/7efji4m1p/INS_2.jpg


    And...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/gyz650qt9/INS_3.jpg


    What a spectacular moron you are...

    Note what I said in my above comment...

    '...Early mechanical systems were based on spinning gyro wheels...Newer inertial nav systems use gyros employing laser or fiber optics or even more esoteric devices…'
     
    Do you see that mechanical gyro wheel in the above diagram...?

    Do you see the laser ring gyro and fiber optic gyro there...?

    What is your general problem...?...[other than being an obvious RETARD...?]


    https://s20.postimg.cc/6dfat4ut9/INS_4.jpg


    Can you read what is says there MORON-BOY...?

    '...Three gyros and three accelerometers are normally combined in an inertial measurement unit (IMU)...'
     
    And what did I say above...?

    '...Notice the three laser gyros and their orientation relative to one another…so that they may measure accelerations about the flight vehicles three respective axes as illustrated above…'
     
    What a complete and utter idiot you are...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/lasd7gxb1/INS_5.jpg


    I assume you know how to read in the English language...?[although nothing is a given when dealing with brainless plankton]

    '...Integrating the sensed acceleration will give velocity.

    ...A second integration gives position...'
     
    And what did I say above...?

    '...A computer is used to do the math…namely two integrations [calculus] which are required to take the gyro sensor inputs and convert them to a position fix…'
     
    I think you deserve some kind of prize for most spectacular idiot on Unz Review...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/u5t7i444t/INS_6.jpg

    '...The combination of an IMU and a computer running navigation equations is called an Inertial Navigation System (INS)...'
     
    What a Monkey Man...let's look at your pearls of wisdom...


    …since gyroscopes work on the principle of inertia as per Newton’s First Law of Motion…
     
    Wrong. Gyroscopes work from conservation of angular momentum.
     
    Let us see how Sir Isaac expressed himself...[although I am quite sure that he could never imagine an idiot of your magnitude poking his nose into this...]

    '...Newton’s first law of motion, sometimes called the law of inertia, defines a special set of reference frames called inertial frames. This law can be stated as follows:

    If an object does not interact with other objects, it is possible to identify a reference frame in which the object has zero acceleration.

    Such a reference frame is called an inertial frame of reference.

    In the absence of external forces and when viewed from an inertial reference frame, an object at rest remains at rest and an object in motion continues in motion with a constant velocity (that is, with a constant speed in a straight line).
     
    --Serway, Physics for Scientists and Engineers, page 113.

    So the idea of inertia is quite clearly stated and easy to understand...an object at rest will remain at rest unless acted on by an external force...an object in motion will remain in motion unless acted on by an external force...

    It matters not whether the momentum is an object moving in a straight line...or rotating...

    In physics, angular momentum... is the rotational equivalent of linear momentum.
     
    And from Serway...page 335...

    In analogy to the principle of conservation of linear momentum, there is also a principle of conservation of angular momentum. The angular momentum of an isolated system is constant.
     
    That is the principle of the gyroscope...it has inertia...not as movement in a straight line, but as rotation...

    When outside forces act on this wheel...such as the aircraft banking about its lateral axis...the wheel's inertia keeps it spinning in its orientation...as the mount to the aircraft is a gimbal that allows the aircraft to rotate about its lateral axis...while the gyro remains upright or horizontal or some other orientation as the case may be...depending on the aircraft axis [or axes] of rotation that is being sensed...

    This is visually displayed on the pilot's instrument panel as a bank indication relative to the horizon...

    For the purposes of an INS nav system...an accelerometer attached to the gyro will record the angular acceleration of the aircraft about its lateral axis...

    By using a computer that keeps track of each such acceleration about each of the three axes as illustrated in my comment above...we are able to determine the aircraft's geographic position by performing two mathematical integrations as outlined above...

    '...Angular momentum is sensitive to changes in the orientation of the gyroscope, not movement of the gyroscope that does not change its orientation. It is not a positioning device...'
     
    What the hell does that gibberish even mean...?

    A mechanical gyro in an airplane does not change its orientation...

    It is mounted on gimbals that allow it to remain in its orientation...which orientation is maintained due to its inertia...as I already stated...

    It is the airplane that changes its orientation...not the gyro...

    Here is cutaway illustration of a mechanical gyro used for an aircraft attitude indicator...also known as an 'artificial horizon'...

    This from the FAA manual 'Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge'...available for download here...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/nuo01j2ul/Attitude_Gyro_1.jpg


    Chapter 7, page 18 describes how the above attitude gyro works...


    '...The gyro spins in the horizontal plane and resists deflection of the rotational path. Since the gyro relies on rigidity in space, the aircraft actually rotates around the spinning gyro...'
     
    Thanks for your verbal farts monkeyboy...you have only been a huge nuisance to people who actually are curious about some technical things that they would like to see explained...

    Even a cat knows to go and discreetly do her business in the litter box...but you don't give a crap about squatting over this discussion board and crapping all over everyone's head...do you...?

    How could you...an ignorant and stupid bullshit artiste who goes around picking arguments and then gets squashed like a bug...

    A slight correction to my above text…in regard to the attitude gyro…

    ‘…such as the aircraft banking about its lateral axis…’

    That is incorrect…the airplane banks about its longitudinal axis…

    Here are the three axes of an aircraft…or any flight vehicle…

    We can see that the vehicle can move about any of the three axes…in two directions about each…for six degrees of freedom…

    Also this illustration of the attitude gyro as seen from the pilot’s seat would be helpful…

    The small bar in the center of the instrument display face is the ‘horizon bar’…and is attached to the spinning gyro…and thus always remains in this orientation…just as the actual horizon remains in its place as a visual reference point…

    The face of the display with the blue on the top representing the sky…and the dark on the bottom representing earth…is attached to the airplane and moves about the airplanes long axis as the airplane banks…thus showing the juxtaposition of the aircraft in reference to the horizon…

    In the case of the attitude indicator the gyro is oriented in the horizontal plane as shown already…here is that illustration again…

    In this case the gimbals on which the gyro is mounted allow for movement in both the longitudinal plane [wing bank left or right]…and the lateral plane [nose pitch up or down]…

    Thus the display shows both pitch and bank…as seen above on the cockpit display…

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    Here is another helpful illustration of the above gyroscope in motion...


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Gyroscope_operation.gif


    We see here the gyroscope as in the attitude indicator above oriented in the horizontal plane...

    Its spinning motion give it inertia...which keeps it oriented always in its horizontal plane...

    The two gimbal mounts are free to rotate about the longitudianl axis and the lateral axis...as can be seen by the movement of those gimbals...

    The gimbals are attached to the aircraft [or any flight vehicle] so that as the vehicle rotates about those two axes...the gyroscope remains in its original orientation always...

    The instrument face is configured so that the movement of the aircraft shows its bank angle and pitch angle as described above...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyroscope
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  • FB says:
    @Thirdeye

    …since gyroscopes work on the principle of inertia as per Newton’s First Law of Motion…
     
    Wrong. Gyroscopes work from conservation of angular momentum. Angular momentum is sensitive to changes in the orientation of the gyroscope, not movement of the gyroscope that does not change its orientation. It is not a positioning device.

    ‘…Wrong. Gyroscopes work from conservation of angular momentum. Angular momentum is sensitive to changes in the orientation of the gyroscope, not movement of the gyroscope that does not change its orientation. It is not a positioning device…’

    That is complete gibberish…

    Are you trying to prove beyond doubt that you are a complete idiot…?

    Are you even vaguely acquainted with Newtonian Mechanics…?

    Obviously not…just as you are not even vaguely capable of solving a triangle as I proved on the other thread…

    Everything I said about gyroscopes and how an inertial system works is 100 percent correct…and quite helpfully explained to the layman…as at least one appreciative comment has shown…

    Since your knowledge of inertial nav systems is ZEROyou may want to first look at this…

    And…

    And…

    What a spectacular moron you are…

    Note what I said in my above comment…

    ‘…Early mechanical systems were based on spinning gyro wheels…Newer inertial nav systems use gyros employing laser or fiber optics or even more esoteric devices…’

    Do you see that mechanical gyro wheel in the above diagram…?

    Do you see the laser ring gyro and fiber optic gyro there…?

    What is your general problem…?…[other than being an obvious RETARD...?]

    Can you read what is says there MORON-BOY…?

    ‘…Three gyros and three accelerometers are normally combined in an inertial measurement unit (IMU)…’

    And what did I say above…?

    ‘…Notice the three laser gyros and their orientation relative to one another…so that they may measure accelerations about the flight vehicles three respective axes as illustrated above…’

    What a complete and utter idiot you are…

    I assume you know how to read in the English language…?[although nothing is a given when dealing with brainless plankton]

    ‘…Integrating the sensed acceleration will give velocity.

    …A second integration gives position…’

    And what did I say above…?

    ‘…A computer is used to do the math…namely two integrations [calculus] which are required to take the gyro sensor inputs and convert them to a position fix…’

    I think you deserve some kind of prize for most spectacular idiot on Unz Review…

    ‘…The combination of an IMU and a computer running navigation equations is called an Inertial Navigation System (INS)…’

    What a Monkey Man…let’s look at your pearls of wisdom…

    …since gyroscopes work on the principle of inertia as per Newton’s First Law of Motion…

    Wrong. Gyroscopes work from conservation of angular momentum.

    Let us see how Sir Isaac expressed himself…[although I am quite sure that he could never imagine an idiot of your magnitude poking his nose into this...]

    ‘…Newton’s first law of motion, sometimes called the law of inertia, defines a special set of reference frames called inertial frames. This law can be stated as follows:

    If an object does not interact with other objects, it is possible to identify a reference frame in which the object has zero acceleration.

    Such a reference frame is called an inertial frame of reference.

    In the absence of external forces and when viewed from an inertial reference frame, an object at rest remains at rest and an object in motion continues in motion with a constant velocity (that is, with a constant speed in a straight line).

    –Serway, Physics for Scientists and Engineers, page 113.

    So the idea of inertia is quite clearly stated and easy to understand…an object at rest will remain at rest unless acted on by an external force…an object in motion will remain in motion unless acted on by an external force…

    It matters not whether the momentum is an object moving in a straight line…or rotating…

    In physics, angular momentum… is the rotational equivalent of linear momentum.

    And from Serway…page 335…

    In analogy to the principle of conservation of linear momentum, there is also a principle of conservation of angular momentum. The angular momentum of an isolated system is constant.

    That is the principle of the gyroscope…it has inertia…not as movement in a straight line, but as rotation…

    When outside forces act on this wheel…such as the aircraft banking about its lateral axis…the wheel’s inertia keeps it spinning in its orientation…as the mount to the aircraft is a gimbal that allows the aircraft to rotate about its lateral axis…while the gyro remains upright or horizontal or some other orientation as the case may be…depending on the aircraft axis [or axes] of rotation that is being sensed…

    This is visually displayed on the pilot’s instrument panel as a bank indication relative to the horizon…

    For the purposes of an INS nav system…an accelerometer attached to the gyro will record the angular acceleration of the aircraft about its lateral axis…

    By using a computer that keeps track of each such acceleration about each of the three axes as illustrated in my comment above…we are able to determine the aircraft’s geographic position by performing two mathematical integrations as outlined above…

    ‘…Angular momentum is sensitive to changes in the orientation of the gyroscope, not movement of the gyroscope that does not change its orientation. It is not a positioning device…’

    What the hell does that gibberish even mean…?

    A mechanical gyro in an airplane does not change its orientation…

    It is mounted on gimbals that allow it to remain in its orientation…which orientation is maintained due to its inertia…as I already stated…

    It is the airplane that changes its orientation…not the gyro…

    Here is cutaway illustration of a mechanical gyro used for an aircraft attitude indicator…also known as an ‘artificial horizon’…

    This from the FAA manual ‘Pilot’s Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge’…available for download here…

    Chapter 7, page 18 describes how the above attitude gyro works…

    ‘…The gyro spins in the horizontal plane and resists deflection of the rotational path. Since the gyro relies on rigidity in space, the aircraft actually rotates around the spinning gyro…’

    Thanks for your verbal farts monkeyboy…you have only been a huge nuisance to people who actually are curious about some technical things that they would like to see explained…

    Even a cat knows to go and discreetly do her business in the litter box…but you don’t give a crap about squatting over this discussion board and crapping all over everyone’s head…do you…?

    How could you…an ignorant and stupid bullshit artiste who goes around picking arguments and then gets squashed like a bug…

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    A slight correction to my above text...in regard to the attitude gyro...

    '...such as the aircraft banking about its lateral axis...'
     
    That is incorrect...the airplane banks about its longitudinal axis...

    Here are the three axes of an aircraft...or any flight vehicle...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/o11p4oh59/Flight_Axes.jpg


    We can see that the vehicle can move about any of the three axes...in two directions about each...for six degrees of freedom...


    Also this illustration of the attitude gyro as seen from the pilot's seat would be helpful...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/frptqf0bh/Attitude_Gyro_2.jpg


    The small bar in the center of the instrument display face is the 'horizon bar'...and is attached to the spinning gyro...and thus always remains in this orientation...just as the actual horizon remains in its place as a visual reference point...

    The face of the display with the blue on the top representing the sky...and the dark on the bottom representing earth...is attached to the airplane and moves about the airplanes long axis as the airplane banks...thus showing the juxtaposition of the aircraft in reference to the horizon...

    In the case of the attitude indicator the gyro is oriented in the horizontal plane as shown already...here is that illustration again...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/nuo01j2ul/Attitude_Gyro_1.jpg


    In this case the gimbals on which the gyro is mounted allow for movement in both the longitudinal plane [wing bank left or right]...and the lateral plane [nose pitch up or down]...

    Thus the display shows both pitch and bank...as seen above on the cockpit display...

    , @Thirdeye
    Sorry chump, you're the one with your ignorance flapping in the breeze. I am quite acquainted with Newtonian physics after completing a year at university level (straight-A in case you were wondering) plus geophysics. You are wrong in attributing positioning to the gyroscope. That role is filled by the accelerometers, with horizontal, vertical, and lateral velocity being the integrals of their X ,Y, and Z inputs. The gyroscope does not respond to changes in X, Y, or Z positioning or velocity. It responds to torque forces that perturb its rotational axis, i.e. angular momentum. Most gyroscopic systems use feedback from the gimball suspension to correct orientation of the craft, either as a pilot aid (artificial horizon) or automated system (autopilot, etc). The WWII gyroscopic gun sights were examples of mechanical computers that used the the rate of perturbation for lead correction. In the case of gyroscopic stabilization (distinct from autopilot), the feedback is, like the old gun sights, proportional to the rate of perturbation to counteract the inertia of the craft during such perturbations.

    Copying information off the web is one thing and understanding it is another, as you should have learned by now. You are a blowhard with an inflated notion of his understanding of physics.
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  • @Wally
    Bingo:

    "The substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, according to Swiss state Spiez lab"

    Prove it wrong, Zionist.

    Still owning you.

    www.codoh.com

    I already it. You just lopped off the last phrase of the sentence. If you were honest, you would concede.

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  • @Andrew E. Mathis
    Here's the opening line:

    "The substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, according to Swiss state Spiez lab, the Russian foreign minister said."

    That's hearsay, whether you like it or not. If you can find somewhere in that article where a single, solitary person from Spiez is quoted directly, post it now.

    Bingo:

    “The substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, according to Swiss state Spiez lab”

    Prove it wrong, Zionist.

    Still owning you.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    I already it. You just lopped off the last phrase of the sentence. If you were honest, you would concede.
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  • @Twodees Partain
    Hush, little newbie. You don't have anything to say that I'm interested in reading. Toddle off now, there's a good kiddie.

    I have been on this board several years , idiot. So once again we have you babbling about things you clearly no nothing about. Do you ever do any kind of fact checking at all ?

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    >Yawn< You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit what you write.
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  • @Thirdeye

    …since gyroscopes work on the principle of inertia as per Newton’s First Law of Motion…
     
    Wrong. Gyroscopes work from conservation of angular momentum. Angular momentum is sensitive to changes in the orientation of the gyroscope, not movement of the gyroscope that does not change its orientation. It is not a positioning device.

    Actually, I think he didn’t deserve to be corrected because he might learn something and use it in another comment to appear knowledgeable. But you’re right, in case some people believe the idiocy he wrote.

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  • @jilles dykstra
    Why Ruby shot him I still do not know.
    He was, in my opinion, not a hired murderer, then he also would have killed.
    But USA police methods continue to surprise me, in the Netherlands suspects as Oswald are not walked through corridors where anyone can shoot stem.
    They are transported in bullet proof cars, into a court room, where nobody can enter with even a pocket knife.

    Ruby shot “Harvey” as a desperate, improvised back-up plan by the conspirators to keep “Harvey” from naming names. (“Harvey” was to be killed almost immediately after JFK, but managed to stay alive for 48 hours.)

    Ruby had to be strong-armed into it, and he fully expected to be let off easy (“you all know me, I’m Jack Ruby” he exclaimed in astonishment as the Dallas cops dragged him off of “Oswald”.)

    His original guilty verdict was overturned in late 1966, and had Ruby not died of “cancer” in early 1967, he would have received a new trial, at which he might have had some very interesting things to say.

    But he didn’t live to see it.

    Nonetheless, here is what Jack Ruby said about his own role in a very high-ranking conspiracy: (this clip is real, but suppressed by the mainstream media)

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  • @Vojkan
    The thing is anyone can come up with a theory and not be refuted by facts because we know very little as fact. To sum it up we know that a little more than hundred missiles were fired and that judging by the damage, about two reached their target, the famous chemical weapons / snake poison antidote making building.
    Two thoughts nonetheless, 1) the volley was fired at a country over which there is "no-fly" zone and whose air-defences have not been degraded by previous strikes 2) when you plan a missile strike, you plan a trajectory for your missiles, typically a set of GPS coordinates that are control / turning points in the trajectory to evade the most possible air-defences.
    If the Syrians have really downed about 70, about 30 are still missing. Where did they go? There's a lot of bragging on both sides but no evidence that either is saying the full truth. I'd say something close to a prior comment when I said that Trump's tweets looked more like an expression of despair than like a genuine threat of WW3, it seems that something was indeed arranged to give some relief to Trump from constant pressure on him.

    Correction, a ‘no’ got lost, should read ‘over which there is no “no-fly” zone’.

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  • @gwynedd1
    So he makes a statement about an entire region , and he is not the asshole? And you find "People form the Balkans suck" enlightening and interesting?


    you are obviously an idiot as well.

    Hush, little newbie. You don’t have anything to say that I’m interested in reading. Toddle off now, there’s a good kiddie.

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    I have been on this board several years , idiot. So once again we have you babbling about things you clearly no nothing about. Do you ever do any kind of fact checking at all ?
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  • @peterAUS

    The character displays all the traits of a frustrated asocial nerd who thinks of himself he’s eminently knowledgeable and clever and has to show to the world that girls are wrong to ignore him.
    But you can call me a moron all you want, I systematically add people who spit insults to my “ignore” list.
     
    Don't say....

    Although, in this particular case it's a bit more....complicated.
    There are some social and political elements mixed in too, so the end product is even more.....interesting.

    Good.

    Well, I realised he was definitely an idiot with his roll-pitch-yaw picture. Anyone who has ever played a flight simulator know what it is and what a gyroscope is. Assuming that I didn’t know demonstrates his level of idiocy. The fact that it is totally irrelevant to the issue of GPS beams jamming in order to throw a missile off its course notwithstanding.
    The fact that he wishes for WW3 as relief for very personal frustrations demonstrates that he’s not only an idiot, he’s also mentally ill.

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    The combination of:

    ...relief for very personal frustrations...
     
    with

    ....also mentally ill...
     
    sums it well.
    I'd add a bit of age with a decent dose of deep hatred of some ethic groups, and that's the combo.

    There is at least one of such types on any loosely moderated Webzine/forum.

    Act accordingly.

    Good is, apart from occasional highly quality post here (or anywhere) the best thing about Internet anonymous posting is "people watching".Glimpsing the reality. Seeing us, in all our glory.
    Or not.
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  • @MacNucc11
    I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the premise of this article that the missile strikes were coordinated in advance. Although it sounds like few missiles hit targets to minimize the damage to that extent to no casualties is surely curious. Would it have been possible for homing devices to be planted ahead of time? Could this type of missile be guided by such?

    The thing is anyone can come up with a theory and not be refuted by facts because we know very little as fact. To sum it up we know that a little more than hundred missiles were fired and that judging by the damage, about two reached their target, the famous chemical weapons / snake poison antidote making building.
    Two thoughts nonetheless, 1) the volley was fired at a country over which there is “no-fly” zone and whose air-defences have not been degraded by previous strikes 2) when you plan a missile strike, you plan a trajectory for your missiles, typically a set of GPS coordinates that are control / turning points in the trajectory to evade the most possible air-defences.
    If the Syrians have really downed about 70, about 30 are still missing. Where did they go? There’s a lot of bragging on both sides but no evidence that either is saying the full truth. I’d say something close to a prior comment when I said that Trump’s tweets looked more like an expression of despair than like a genuine threat of WW3, it seems that something was indeed arranged to give some relief to Trump from constant pressure on him.

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    Correction, a 'no' got lost, should read 'over which there is no "no-fly" zone'.
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  • @FB
    Everything you said is completely wrong...

    What makes you think that as a layman who knows nothing about aeronautics that you can make statements intended to sound factual...?

    First have a look at my discussion of how a cruise missile works...

    Now about the 'satellites'...that is GPS for the T-hawk and other Nato knockoffs...

    This is NOT the primary guidance [navigation] system of a cruise missile...and it works perfectly well and will get to its target even if the GPS radio signal is jammed...or even if all GPS sats are shot down...

    The primary guidance system is an inertial nav system which is self contained and uses no radio signals like GPS [which can be jammed easily]...

    Inertial nav systems are also the primary navigation system in passenger jets, ICBMs and just about any other missile...

    They work on gyroscopic principles...hence the term 'inertial'...since gyroscopes work on the principle of inertia as per Newton's First Law of Motion...

    Early mechanical systems were based on spinning gyro wheels and they work on the principle that the gyroscope senses any acceleration of the aircraft whether up, down, left, right etc...here is a diagram showing the three axes of a flight vehicle...and the six possible movements about those axes...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/y5glpjh71/Flight_dynamics_with_text.png


    Knowing the exact geographic coordinates from where you started the flight...the inertial system can thus calculate your position at any time during the flight based on the accelerations of the vehicle that have occurred since moment one...


    '...An INS can detect a change in its geographic position (a move east or north, for example), a change in its velocity (speed and direction of movement) and a change in its orientation (rotation about an axis). It does this by measuring the linear acceleration and angular velocity applied to the system.

    Since it requires no external reference (after initialization), it is immune to jamming and deception...'
     

    Newer inertial nav systems use gyros employing laser or fiber optics or even more esoteric devices...but they are completely self-contained...just like the earlier mechanical gyros...and cannot be interfered with in any way from outside...

    A computer is used to do the math...namely two integrations [calculus] which are required to take the gyro sensor inputs and convert them to a position fix...


    '...acceleration measurements into an inertial reference frame (hence the term inertial navigation) where they are integrated once to get linear velocity, and twice to get linear position...'
     
    This computer can even be mechanical...but is nowadays a digital electronic computer...

    So your 'factual' statement is actually complete bullshit...

    Here is a picture of a gyro based nav system from the 1950s...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/z7qs7x7od/Project_SPIRE_Inertial_Navigation_Control_2.jpg


    Here is an inertial unit from a modern spacecraft...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/xtz5cg0nh/IMU-28_inertial_measurement_unit.jpg


    Notice the three laser gyros and their orientation relative to one another...so that they may measure accelerations about the flight vehicles three respective axes as illustrated above...

    As for your bullshit about terrain following...I don't have time to get into right now...but which is explained on the other thread I linked to...

    When will complete know-nothings get it in their head that looking at the brochure info in wikipedia does not qualify them to make factual-sounding statements...?

    Please do not wast my time by addressing me with amateur bullshit...if you have a question...as you obviously do...then ask...do not state pseudo facts and require me to expend a lot of useless effort on moronic bullshit...

    …since gyroscopes work on the principle of inertia as per Newton’s First Law of Motion…

    Wrong. Gyroscopes work from conservation of angular momentum. Angular momentum is sensitive to changes in the orientation of the gyroscope, not movement of the gyroscope that does not change its orientation. It is not a positioning device.

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    Actually, I think he didn't deserve to be corrected because he might learn something and use it in another comment to appear knowledgeable. But you're right, in case some people believe the idiocy he wrote.
    , @FB

    '...Wrong. Gyroscopes work from conservation of angular momentum. Angular momentum is sensitive to changes in the orientation of the gyroscope, not movement of the gyroscope that does not change its orientation. It is not a positioning device...'
     
    That is complete gibberish...

    Are you trying to prove beyond doubt that you are a complete idiot...?

    Are you even vaguely acquainted with Newtonian Mechanics...?

    Obviously not...just as you are not even vaguely capable of solving a triangle as I proved on the other thread...

    Everything I said about gyroscopes and how an inertial system works is 100 percent correct...and quite helpfully explained to the layman...as at least one appreciative comment has shown...

    Since your knowledge of inertial nav systems is ZERO...you may want to first look at this...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/nco980vml/INS_1.jpg


    And...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/7efji4m1p/INS_2.jpg


    And...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/gyz650qt9/INS_3.jpg


    What a spectacular moron you are...

    Note what I said in my above comment...

    '...Early mechanical systems were based on spinning gyro wheels...Newer inertial nav systems use gyros employing laser or fiber optics or even more esoteric devices…'
     
    Do you see that mechanical gyro wheel in the above diagram...?

    Do you see the laser ring gyro and fiber optic gyro there...?

    What is your general problem...?...[other than being an obvious RETARD...?]


    https://s20.postimg.cc/6dfat4ut9/INS_4.jpg


    Can you read what is says there MORON-BOY...?

    '...Three gyros and three accelerometers are normally combined in an inertial measurement unit (IMU)...'
     
    And what did I say above...?

    '...Notice the three laser gyros and their orientation relative to one another…so that they may measure accelerations about the flight vehicles three respective axes as illustrated above…'
     
    What a complete and utter idiot you are...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/lasd7gxb1/INS_5.jpg


    I assume you know how to read in the English language...?[although nothing is a given when dealing with brainless plankton]

    '...Integrating the sensed acceleration will give velocity.

    ...A second integration gives position...'
     
    And what did I say above...?

    '...A computer is used to do the math…namely two integrations [calculus] which are required to take the gyro sensor inputs and convert them to a position fix…'
     
    I think you deserve some kind of prize for most spectacular idiot on Unz Review...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/u5t7i444t/INS_6.jpg

    '...The combination of an IMU and a computer running navigation equations is called an Inertial Navigation System (INS)...'
     
    What a Monkey Man...let's look at your pearls of wisdom...


    …since gyroscopes work on the principle of inertia as per Newton’s First Law of Motion…
     
    Wrong. Gyroscopes work from conservation of angular momentum.
     
    Let us see how Sir Isaac expressed himself...[although I am quite sure that he could never imagine an idiot of your magnitude poking his nose into this...]

    '...Newton’s first law of motion, sometimes called the law of inertia, defines a special set of reference frames called inertial frames. This law can be stated as follows:

    If an object does not interact with other objects, it is possible to identify a reference frame in which the object has zero acceleration.

    Such a reference frame is called an inertial frame of reference.

    In the absence of external forces and when viewed from an inertial reference frame, an object at rest remains at rest and an object in motion continues in motion with a constant velocity (that is, with a constant speed in a straight line).
     
    --Serway, Physics for Scientists and Engineers, page 113.

    So the idea of inertia is quite clearly stated and easy to understand...an object at rest will remain at rest unless acted on by an external force...an object in motion will remain in motion unless acted on by an external force...

    It matters not whether the momentum is an object moving in a straight line...or rotating...

    In physics, angular momentum... is the rotational equivalent of linear momentum.
     
    And from Serway...page 335...

    In analogy to the principle of conservation of linear momentum, there is also a principle of conservation of angular momentum. The angular momentum of an isolated system is constant.
     
    That is the principle of the gyroscope...it has inertia...not as movement in a straight line, but as rotation...

    When outside forces act on this wheel...such as the aircraft banking about its lateral axis...the wheel's inertia keeps it spinning in its orientation...as the mount to the aircraft is a gimbal that allows the aircraft to rotate about its lateral axis...while the gyro remains upright or horizontal or some other orientation as the case may be...depending on the aircraft axis [or axes] of rotation that is being sensed...

    This is visually displayed on the pilot's instrument panel as a bank indication relative to the horizon...

    For the purposes of an INS nav system...an accelerometer attached to the gyro will record the angular acceleration of the aircraft about its lateral axis...

    By using a computer that keeps track of each such acceleration about each of the three axes as illustrated in my comment above...we are able to determine the aircraft's geographic position by performing two mathematical integrations as outlined above...

    '...Angular momentum is sensitive to changes in the orientation of the gyroscope, not movement of the gyroscope that does not change its orientation. It is not a positioning device...'
     
    What the hell does that gibberish even mean...?

    A mechanical gyro in an airplane does not change its orientation...

    It is mounted on gimbals that allow it to remain in its orientation...which orientation is maintained due to its inertia...as I already stated...

    It is the airplane that changes its orientation...not the gyro...

    Here is cutaway illustration of a mechanical gyro used for an aircraft attitude indicator...also known as an 'artificial horizon'...

    This from the FAA manual 'Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge'...available for download here...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/nuo01j2ul/Attitude_Gyro_1.jpg


    Chapter 7, page 18 describes how the above attitude gyro works...


    '...The gyro spins in the horizontal plane and resists deflection of the rotational path. Since the gyro relies on rigidity in space, the aircraft actually rotates around the spinning gyro...'
     
    Thanks for your verbal farts monkeyboy...you have only been a huge nuisance to people who actually are curious about some technical things that they would like to see explained...

    Even a cat knows to go and discreetly do her business in the litter box...but you don't give a crap about squatting over this discussion board and crapping all over everyone's head...do you...?

    How could you...an ignorant and stupid bullshit artiste who goes around picking arguments and then gets squashed like a bug...
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  • @WorkingClass
    The most interesting aspect of this false response to a false flag attack is the non participation by Germany. Turkey has one foot in both camps. Germany will be next to turn. Time is working against Imperial Washington.

    We’re seeing a pattern – broken only by France staying distant from the 2003 Iraq invasion – of the most solid support for American imperial adventures being from the two powers who held worldwide empires as of 1939, lost them as a political price of getting bailed out of their predicaments in World War II, and were defeated militarily and politically in attempts to re-establish imperial dominion during the 1950s and 60s. Playing “me too” under the American umbrella is their last remaining hope of regaining empire.

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    Do you know what you are talking about or are you just repeating half educated American prejudices. France fought to reestablish control over French Indo-China but the British didn"t have to as their colonial wars were only establishing peaceful conditions for devolution of power to the native people who all joined the Commonwealth of Nations on independence.
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  • Yes I have spent a lot of time in the US , with people form the Balkans including first generation relatives on my mother’s side when I was a child. There was a remarkable difference between just two of my mother’s uncles as I recall. The eldest accumulated wealth and would rarely laugh at a joke while the other made jokes at the pub. Of course my great uncle did do one thing. He told me a lot about the Balkans because he was born in the Balkans . I also have worked with Bulgarians, Romanians , and Greeks and I am still trying to figure out the commonality. Few of them eat back bean soup?

    Did I mention that being from somewhere is also jack ass , moronic BS, forms of evidence?

    Now never mind the how the engineering logic works that I am supposed to consider all Balkans as idiots from a Balkan. OK very well, he is a stubborn jackass by his own expertise. Again engineers should have a grasp of logic….

    Again looking at FB , he seems to have some precision while his opponents speak in a kind loosely flung slop. Even as he was an arrogant bully he was far more skilled even at that. Even his insults were superior in quality. Was there one stand out specific reference of his that I could focus on to see how flawed FB was in his arguments?

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  • @gwynedd1
    Well yes Serbia ,Bulgaria Albania are all part of the Balkan Peninsula. Its generally a pattern or matrix defined by the landscape that tends to allow for a niche. to develop It is also characterized by the forces around it. To generalize about an area influenced by both sides of Roman and the Ottomans is just idiotic in itself. I am left to wonder if this method was used in the other argument.

    "Ethnic diversity is one of the region’s most characteristic social and political features. "
    -Britannica.

    Costa Rica is very much like the Balkans in a naturalistic way. It is a mountainous funnel between two continents. It has 4% of the species in the world and is thus the Byzantium- -Roman-Ottoman cross roads of its kind . Anyone that would say anything in general about it other than its diverse microclimate region would also be a laughing stock.

    So I would have to agree with FB that this person is a jackass; as he wondered in a area of my skill set, I am more apt to notice. Racism itself is a folly really only applicable to a mass of people given the individual differences vary. Group characteristic do exist but it can never be assumed to apply to an individual. That was a meta cultural sweeping statement and nothing other than random lashing out.

    That lends more credibility to FB....

    "Does that apply to Jews in general and Israelis in particular?."


    Jews in general no but Ashkenazim in the US and Israel? Different story.

    Jews are going to be an annoyance for several reasons. For one they are at the top of the socio-economic heap.Resentment of their power is inevitable. They can act on their whims and perversions . This also makes their women intolerable . The longer a civilian society remains the less appealing it is for finding mates. Why do people think civilizations rot? Men and women get it on the most after war where the men are a little more scarce, and the slave girls or under class women are more plentiful. (Romans loved their Gothic women and Arabs loved their slave girls). They are short on men looking to clime higher from base camp 4 all while the shiksas readily convert. They ironically have similar issues with blacks thus the feminist movement is full of blacks and Jews.

    The other problem with Jews is they they are polarizing. There are no checks and balances to their pathologies. The liberals remain here while the nationalist tend to like to settle in Israel. So the concentration of nationalistic wack jobs in Israel must rise while liberal wack jobs remain he without opposition. Those are some of the forces at work.



    And since you mention blacks, no to that as well. American blacks are not like other blacks. i can be said there is a dominant black culture but Africa is the most diverse of human cultures of them all.

    To generalize about an area influenced by both sides of Roman and the Ottomans is just idiotic in itself.

    Racism itself is a folly really only applicable to a mass of people given the individual differences vary.

    Enlightened.

    At the same time,though:

    Jews in general no but Ashkenazim in the US and Israel? Different story.
    And since you mention blacks, no to that as well.

    So, correct me if I am wrong:
    You haven’t spent a lot of time in Balkans, Bosnia and Kosovo in particular.
    You have spent a lot of time in USA.

    O.K.

    Moving on.

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  • @Vojkan
    Well, I don't assume people I talk to are ignorants who my persona needs to enlighten, I don't assume this is a forum for engineering nerds, and I don't feel the need to brag about my resume since I assume that in order to have a civilised discussion, you must treat people with respect and you must leave your personal issues at the door.
    As for "factual", boy, you must be ignorant of math and physics, because you see, quite a few time, his math just didn't add up. The "facts" he presents here, it takes 15 min of googling to find elsewhere, and even when accurate, which often they aren't, are most of the time totally irrelevant to the discussion. The character displays all the traits of a frustrated asocial nerd who thinks of himself he's eminently knowledgeable and clever and has to show to the world that girls are wrong to ignore him.
    But you can call me a moron all you want, I systematically add people who spit insults to my "ignore" list.

    The character displays all the traits of a frustrated asocial nerd who thinks of himself he’s eminently knowledgeable and clever and has to show to the world that girls are wrong to ignore him.
    But you can call me a moron all you want, I systematically add people who spit insults to my “ignore” list.

    Don’t say….

    Although, in this particular case it’s a bit more….complicated.
    There are some social and political elements mixed in too, so the end product is even more…..interesting.

    Good.

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    Well, I realised he was definitely an idiot with his roll-pitch-yaw picture. Anyone who has ever played a flight simulator know what it is and what a gyroscope is. Assuming that I didn't know demonstrates his level of idiocy. The fact that it is totally irrelevant to the issue of GPS beams jamming in order to throw a missile off its course notwithstanding.
    The fact that he wishes for WW3 as relief for very personal frustrations demonstrates that he's not only an idiot, he's also mentally ill.
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    @Erebus
    Hi Wiz,

    Consider the possibility that your devious President knows what he’s doing and that is stalling for time until the war party can be surprised with a nimble sidestep.
     
    We're cave-dwellers, answering half-empty / half-full questions by looking at shadows.
    I've gone out of step with everyone around me by saying that Trump's Bolton & Pompeo appointments in fact signify the opposite of what they appear to be.

    The problem Washington's adults face is that the NeoCon "War Party" holds Washington's political power cards along with all the media megaphones, and they are baying for war. What's more they are right. Either Western Capitalism brings more resources under its control, or it's gonna run out of runway and go into the shrubbery.

    The brain trusts in the Pentagon have done their sums, and (they may well have) concluded that there's no percentage in going toe to toe with the Russians. If a Pyrrhic victory is possible, it would be the last one, but they're in a damned-if-they-do / damned-if-they-don't situation. Collapse and re-build over decades, or go for it and most likely take the rest of the world down when you fail. I think the adults chose the former, but how do they sell it?

    I think "Trump's Missile Fiasco" was all about sending a message, and that message was intended for the War Party. When the Pentagon's assessment reports on the attack start circulating, I'm willing to bet they'll be even more despairing than the Kremlin's reports indicate. Reports coming from the ground in Syria (from Twitterers going round counting craters) indicate very few missiles, a dozen or so actually hit anything. If so, only 1/3 of the missiles that didn't get shot down went on to hit a target rather than flying off into the desert, or into a parking lot somewhere.

    In summary, as Bolton's and Pompeo's NeoCon credentials are beyond reproach, there’s simply no better men for the job of bringing the truth of the USM's impotence to the warmongers. That is, of course, if they themselves can be brought round to accepting that truth.

    Let's hope I'm right, and let's hope they get the message. ;-)

    Yep. Shame about those wasted missiles (if they weren’t just clearing out old stock). They should have kept on the smart guys who directed those 9/11 missiles or planes or whatever with such precision. Perhaps a drone driver who could take out a terrorist with only half a wedding party could still help with training :-)

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  • @NoseytheDuke
    You certainly have a gift for explaining complex technical subjects in a manner that can be easily understood by laypersons such as myself.

    I just caught this which I found interesting, especially if they turn out to be the newer and smarter ones that Trump bragged about, if true it makes the episode an even bigger blunder.
    http://theduran.com/oops-two-unexploded-cruise-missiles-delivered-to-russia-from-syria/

    My father was a mechanical engineer. I picked up enough to know that people don’t know much about physics and its often counterintuitive. In just one example I had a mob once who declared me a fool for informing them the width of a tire had little to do with traction. I had at the time been bowsing my father’s library of engineering books. The mob has long since dispersed and the fact still remains points of contact mean very little. Its about the downward force and the coefficients of the materials. Meanwhile most people just know.

    I should be thankful that I encountered my first counter intuitive thing when I was quite young. I became an empiricist.

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  • @Vojkan
    Well, I don't assume people I talk to are ignorants who my persona needs to enlighten, I don't assume this is a forum for engineering nerds, and I don't feel the need to brag about my resume since I assume that in order to have a civilised discussion, you must treat people with respect and you must leave your personal issues at the door.
    As for "factual", boy, you must be ignorant of math and physics, because you see, quite a few time, his math just didn't add up. The "facts" he presents here, it takes 15 min of googling to find elsewhere, and even when accurate, which often they aren't, are most of the time totally irrelevant to the discussion. The character displays all the traits of a frustrated asocial nerd who thinks of himself he's eminently knowledgeable and clever and has to show to the world that girls are wrong to ignore him.
    But you can call me a moron all you want, I systematically add people who spit insults to my "ignore" list.

    I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the premise of this article that the missile strikes were coordinated in advance. Although it sounds like few missiles hit targets to minimize the damage to that extent to no casualties is surely curious. Would it have been possible for homing devices to be planted ahead of time? Could this type of missile be guided by such?

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    The thing is anyone can come up with a theory and not be refuted by facts because we know very little as fact. To sum it up we know that a little more than hundred missiles were fired and that judging by the damage, about two reached their target, the famous chemical weapons / snake poison antidote making building.
    Two thoughts nonetheless, 1) the volley was fired at a country over which there is "no-fly" zone and whose air-defences have not been degraded by previous strikes 2) when you plan a missile strike, you plan a trajectory for your missiles, typically a set of GPS coordinates that are control / turning points in the trajectory to evade the most possible air-defences.
    If the Syrians have really downed about 70, about 30 are still missing. Where did they go? There's a lot of bragging on both sides but no evidence that either is saying the full truth. I'd say something close to a prior comment when I said that Trump's tweets looked more like an expression of despair than like a genuine threat of WW3, it seems that something was indeed arranged to give some relief to Trump from constant pressure on him.
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  • @Erebus
    Hi Wiz,

    Consider the possibility that your devious President knows what he’s doing and that is stalling for time until the war party can be surprised with a nimble sidestep.
     
    We're cave-dwellers, answering half-empty / half-full questions by looking at shadows.
    I've gone out of step with everyone around me by saying that Trump's Bolton & Pompeo appointments in fact signify the opposite of what they appear to be.

    The problem Washington's adults face is that the NeoCon "War Party" holds Washington's political power cards along with all the media megaphones, and they are baying for war. What's more they are right. Either Western Capitalism brings more resources under its control, or it's gonna run out of runway and go into the shrubbery.

    The brain trusts in the Pentagon have done their sums, and (they may well have) concluded that there's no percentage in going toe to toe with the Russians. If a Pyrrhic victory is possible, it would be the last one, but they're in a damned-if-they-do / damned-if-they-don't situation. Collapse and re-build over decades, or go for it and most likely take the rest of the world down when you fail. I think the adults chose the former, but how do they sell it?

    I think "Trump's Missile Fiasco" was all about sending a message, and that message was intended for the War Party. When the Pentagon's assessment reports on the attack start circulating, I'm willing to bet they'll be even more despairing than the Kremlin's reports indicate. Reports coming from the ground in Syria (from Twitterers going round counting craters) indicate very few missiles, a dozen or so actually hit anything. If so, only 1/3 of the missiles that didn't get shot down went on to hit a target rather than flying off into the desert, or into a parking lot somewhere.

    In summary, as Bolton's and Pompeo's NeoCon credentials are beyond reproach, there’s simply no better men for the job of bringing the truth of the USM's impotence to the warmongers. That is, of course, if they themselves can be brought round to accepting that truth.

    Let's hope I'm right, and let's hope they get the message. ;-)

    You have nailed it I believe. It really is quite simple. There are no good options left to them. The best option is in my opinion the first and re-build on more solid ground. Sure there will be pain but that is a given whatever option they choose. The Soviet Union was faced with a similar dilemma and came out ok by simply accepting their defeat. I am reminded of the line from the movie Lost Boys about when a vampire dies it is always messy and they try to take you with them.
    Let’s not go that way. I also think you could be correct and that Trump is playing the game of keeping his enemies closer and hope it works. If nothing else he has somewhat out maneuvered his critics in that he has taken some of their firepower away.

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  • @Vojkan
    Well, I don't assume people I talk to are ignorants who my persona needs to enlighten, I don't assume this is a forum for engineering nerds, and I don't feel the need to brag about my resume since I assume that in order to have a civilised discussion, you must treat people with respect and you must leave your personal issues at the door.
    As for "factual", boy, you must be ignorant of math and physics, because you see, quite a few time, his math just didn't add up. The "facts" he presents here, it takes 15 min of googling to find elsewhere, and even when accurate, which often they aren't, are most of the time totally irrelevant to the discussion. The character displays all the traits of a frustrated asocial nerd who thinks of himself he's eminently knowledgeable and clever and has to show to the world that girls are wrong to ignore him.
    But you can call me a moron all you want, I systematically add people who spit insults to my "ignore" list.

    “Well, I don’t assume people I talk to are ignorants who my persona needs to enlighten, I don’t assume this is a forum for engineering nerds, ”

    Again I found something useful in what FB posted..Perhaps I may not like the Mariachi music in a Mexican restaurant, but I may pluck some morsel from a dish.

    “As for “factual”, boy, you must be ignorant of math and physics, because you see, quite a few time, his math just didn’t add up. The “facts” he presents here, it takes 15 min of googling to find elsewhere, and even when accurate, which often they aren’t, are most of the time totally irrelevant to the discussion. ”

    Where did I discuss this? I never accepted the entirety of the argument. I said he presented items as facts that could be challenged. You posted “people from the Balkans suck” which is amusingly applicable to you . Anyone who has studied military history knows the weapon systems are the mere tip of the spear without regard to the staff behind it or the skill to throw it. German armor was far superior to the Allies but 50 Panthers out of supply are no match for 250 well supplied Sherman’s. No one knows if the Russians have the means to keep the Syrian air space until its challenged. So I think all this talk is speculative. I did cringe at a comment about “lots of planes” which was the style of argument used against FB.

    “But you can call me a moron all you want, I systematically add people who spit insults to my “ignore” list.”

    Why act like this is a threat? When people put others on an ignore list it just means they can be lampooned unopposed . Its a silly threat. What you said was moronic . You can either own up to it or not.

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  • @Twodees Partain
    I wouldn't waste any time on these assholes, if I were you. Neither of them has ever had anything interesting to say.

    So he makes a statement about an entire region , and he is not the asshole? And you find “People form the Balkans suck” enlightening and interesting?

    you are obviously an idiot as well.

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    Hush, little newbie. You don't have anything to say that I'm interested in reading. Toddle off now, there's a good kiddie.
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  • @peterAUS

    When people have problems entire groups of people, its often a personal problem.
     
    Enlightened. I guess.

    Curious, though.
    Does that apply to Jews in general and Israelis in particular?.
    Or Negroes in general and African-Americans in particular?

    As for Balkans people, Serbs for example(I guess that applies here) does that apply to Croats and Kosovars/Albanians?

    Waiting................sort of.

    Well yes Serbia ,Bulgaria Albania are all part of the Balkan Peninsula. Its generally a pattern or matrix defined by the landscape that tends to allow for a niche. to develop It is also characterized by the forces around it. To generalize about an area influenced by both sides of Roman and the Ottomans is just idiotic in itself. I am left to wonder if this method was used in the other argument.

    “Ethnic diversity is one of the region’s most characteristic social and political features. ”
    -Britannica.

    Costa Rica is very much like the Balkans in a naturalistic way. It is a mountainous funnel between two continents. It has 4% of the species in the world and is thus the Byzantium- -Roman-Ottoman cross roads of its kind . Anyone that would say anything in general about it other than its diverse microclimate region would also be a laughing stock.

    So I would have to agree with FB that this person is a jackass; as he wondered in a area of my skill set, I am more apt to notice. Racism itself is a folly really only applicable to a mass of people given the individual differences vary. Group characteristic do exist but it can never be assumed to apply to an individual. That was a meta cultural sweeping statement and nothing other than random lashing out.

    That lends more credibility to FB….

    “Does that apply to Jews in general and Israelis in particular?.”

    Jews in general no but Ashkenazim in the US and Israel? Different story.

    Jews are going to be an annoyance for several reasons. For one they are at the top of the socio-economic heap.Resentment of their power is inevitable. They can act on their whims and perversions . This also makes their women intolerable . The longer a civilian society remains the less appealing it is for finding mates. Why do people think civilizations rot? Men and women get it on the most after war where the men are a little more scarce, and the slave girls or under class women are more plentiful. (Romans loved their Gothic women and Arabs loved their slave girls). They are short on men looking to clime higher from base camp 4 all while the shiksas readily convert. They ironically have similar issues with blacks thus the feminist movement is full of blacks and Jews.

    The other problem with Jews is they they are polarizing. There are no checks and balances to their pathologies. The liberals remain here while the nationalist tend to like to settle in Israel. So the concentration of nationalistic wack jobs in Israel must rise while liberal wack jobs remain he without opposition. Those are some of the forces at work.

    And since you mention blacks, no to that as well. American blacks are not like other blacks. i can be said there is a dominant black culture but Africa is the most diverse of human cultures of them all.

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    To generalize about an area influenced by both sides of Roman and the Ottomans is just idiotic in itself.

    Racism itself is a folly really only applicable to a mass of people given the individual differences vary.
     
    Enlightened.

    At the same time,though:

    Jews in general no but Ashkenazim in the US and Israel? Different story.
    And since you mention blacks, no to that as well.
     
    So, correct me if I am wrong:
    You haven't spent a lot of time in Balkans, Bosnia and Kosovo in particular.
    You have spent a lot of time in USA.

    O.K.

    Moving on.
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  • @Vojkan
    Because there is nothing to contend with. His answer, apart fron being insulting, is totally irrelevant to what I wrote. As I wrote, he regurgitates here what he has ingurgitated elsewhere without understanding the underlying concepts. What do you want me to answer? To start with the basics and explain you the P(ρ,θ,φ) - spherical - system of coordinates that is used in positioning? That a trajectory is a set of points with coordinates expressed in that way? Do you want me to explain what Beziers curves are, what are control points, how automatic correction of a trajectory works? The thing is FB does get some things correct, just as a broken clock shows the right time twice a day.
    Whatever, he's on my ignore list, I've been notified of his second answer, didn't read it and can live without knowing what he wrote.
    What it has to do with the Balkans? His behaviour is typical of uncivilised hysterical Balkanic retards and I know what I'm talking about, I'm from the Balkans. As I said of all the people who think they're hypersmart but are actually superdumb, people from the former Yugoslavia are second only to "progressives", who beat them at it regardless of ethnicity. I can't say anything about Scotsmen, I don't know any Scotsman but I have worked with French people, Americans, Russians, Indians, Englishmen, Norwegians, the one people I detest having to deal with are people from the former Yugoslavia, they think they know everything but you have to pass after 99% of them after they finish work to fix the shit they've done. And if my answer doesn't satisfy you I don't bloody care.

    I wouldn’t waste any time on these assholes, if I were you. Neither of them has ever had anything interesting to say.

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    So he makes a statement about an entire region , and he is not the asshole? And you find "People form the Balkans suck" enlightening and interesting?


    you are obviously an idiot as well.
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  • @gwynedd1
    OK I you have a bit of a history here together. I see he certainly can be insulting. However he leaves plenty of factual targets to contend.

    "His behaviour is typical of uncivilised hysterical Balkanic retards and I know what I’m talking about, I’m from the Balkans"

    Treating the Balkans as a monolithic group is interesting given its one of the most Balkanized parts of the world.

    " I detest having to deal with are people from the former Yugoslavia"

    The former Yugoslavia is in the Balkans. So is Bulgaria, Greece , part of Turkey. There is a lack of precision here.....


    "And if my answer doesn’t satisfy you I don’t bloody care."

    Then I would agree with anyone who thinks you are a moron.

    Well, I don’t assume people I talk to are ignorants who my persona needs to enlighten, I don’t assume this is a forum for engineering nerds, and I don’t feel the need to brag about my resume since I assume that in order to have a civilised discussion, you must treat people with respect and you must leave your personal issues at the door.
    As for “factual”, boy, you must be ignorant of math and physics, because you see, quite a few time, his math just didn’t add up. The “facts” he presents here, it takes 15 min of googling to find elsewhere, and even when accurate, which often they aren’t, are most of the time totally irrelevant to the discussion. The character displays all the traits of a frustrated asocial nerd who thinks of himself he’s eminently knowledgeable and clever and has to show to the world that girls are wrong to ignore him.
    But you can call me a moron all you want, I systematically add people who spit insults to my “ignore” list.

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    "Well, I don’t assume people I talk to are ignorants who my persona needs to enlighten, I don’t assume this is a forum for engineering nerds, "

    Again I found something useful in what FB posted..Perhaps I may not like the Mariachi music in a Mexican restaurant, but I may pluck some morsel from a dish.

    "As for “factual”, boy, you must be ignorant of math and physics, because you see, quite a few time, his math just didn’t add up. The “facts” he presents here, it takes 15 min of googling to find elsewhere, and even when accurate, which often they aren’t, are most of the time totally irrelevant to the discussion. "

    Where did I discuss this? I never accepted the entirety of the argument. I said he presented items as facts that could be challenged. You posted "people from the Balkans suck" which is amusingly applicable to you . Anyone who has studied military history knows the weapon systems are the mere tip of the spear without regard to the staff behind it or the skill to throw it. German armor was far superior to the Allies but 50 Panthers out of supply are no match for 250 well supplied Sherman's. No one knows if the Russians have the means to keep the Syrian air space until its challenged. So I think all this talk is speculative. I did cringe at a comment about "lots of planes" which was the style of argument used against FB.

    "But you can call me a moron all you want, I systematically add people who spit insults to my “ignore” list."

    Why act like this is a threat? When people put others on an ignore list it just means they can be lampooned unopposed . Its a silly threat. What you said was moronic . You can either own up to it or not.
    , @MacNucc11
    I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the premise of this article that the missile strikes were coordinated in advance. Although it sounds like few missiles hit targets to minimize the damage to that extent to no casualties is surely curious. Would it have been possible for homing devices to be planted ahead of time? Could this type of missile be guided by such?
    , @peterAUS

    The character displays all the traits of a frustrated asocial nerd who thinks of himself he’s eminently knowledgeable and clever and has to show to the world that girls are wrong to ignore him.
    But you can call me a moron all you want, I systematically add people who spit insults to my “ignore” list.
     
    Don't say....

    Although, in this particular case it's a bit more....complicated.
    There are some social and political elements mixed in too, so the end product is even more.....interesting.

    Good.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Consider the possibility that your devious President knows what he's doing and that is stalling for time until the war party can be surprised with a nimble sidestep.

    1. Is Trump to be trusted to tell the truth to anyone you've heard of?

    2. Do you think he doesn't know that an Israeli aligned war party is aiming to keep the US at war in the ME and expand war to Iran, or at least its allies?

    3. Do you think he regards satisfying the war party as in 2. above as likely to help him get re-elected in 2020, or the reverse, and do you think this isn't very important to him?

    4. How long would it take to gear up for war with Iran and how long would it take Trump to think up an obfuscatory excuse for not following through - or indeed four inconsistent and equally false excuses that he is quite happy to Tweet?

    Hi Wiz,

    Consider the possibility that your devious President knows what he’s doing and that is stalling for time until the war party can be surprised with a nimble sidestep.

    We’re cave-dwellers, answering half-empty / half-full questions by looking at shadows.
    I’ve gone out of step with everyone around me by saying that Trump’s Bolton & Pompeo appointments in fact signify the opposite of what they appear to be.

    The problem Washington’s adults face is that the NeoCon “War Party” holds Washington’s political power cards along with all the media megaphones, and they are baying for war. What’s more they are right. Either Western Capitalism brings more resources under its control, or it’s gonna run out of runway and go into the shrubbery.

    The brain trusts in the Pentagon have done their sums, and (they may well have) concluded that there’s no percentage in going toe to toe with the Russians. If a Pyrrhic victory is possible, it would be the last one, but they’re in a damned-if-they-do / damned-if-they-don’t situation. Collapse and re-build over decades, or go for it and most likely take the rest of the world down when you fail. I think the adults chose the former, but how do they sell it?

    I think “Trump’s Missile Fiasco” was all about sending a message, and that message was intended for the War Party. When the Pentagon’s assessment reports on the attack start circulating, I’m willing to bet they’ll be even more despairing than the Kremlin’s reports indicate. Reports coming from the ground in Syria (from Twitterers going round counting craters) indicate very few missiles, a dozen or so actually hit anything. If so, only 1/3 of the missiles that didn’t get shot down went on to hit a target rather than flying off into the desert, or into a parking lot somewhere.

    In summary, as Bolton’s and Pompeo’s NeoCon credentials are beyond reproach, there’s simply no better men for the job of bringing the truth of the USM’s impotence to the warmongers. That is, of course, if they themselves can be brought round to accepting that truth.

    Let’s hope I’m right, and let’s hope they get the message. ;-)

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    You have nailed it I believe. It really is quite simple. There are no good options left to them. The best option is in my opinion the first and re-build on more solid ground. Sure there will be pain but that is a given whatever option they choose. The Soviet Union was faced with a similar dilemma and came out ok by simply accepting their defeat. I am reminded of the line from the movie Lost Boys about when a vampire dies it is always messy and they try to take you with them.
    Let's not go that way. I also think you could be correct and that Trump is playing the game of keeping his enemies closer and hope it works. If nothing else he has somewhat out maneuvered his critics in that he has taken some of their firepower away.
    , @Anonymous
    Yep. Shame about those wasted missiles (if they weren't just clearing out old stock). They should have kept on the smart guys who directed those 9/11 missiles or planes or whatever with such precision. Perhaps a drone driver who could take out a terrorist with only half a wedding party could still help with training :-)
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  • @NoseytheDuke
    You certainly have a gift for explaining complex technical subjects in a manner that can be easily understood by laypersons such as myself.

    I just caught this which I found interesting, especially if they turn out to be the newer and smarter ones that Trump bragged about, if true it makes the episode an even bigger blunder.
    http://theduran.com/oops-two-unexploded-cruise-missiles-delivered-to-russia-from-syria/

    Thanks Nosey…science is fun…and not that difficult to understand…

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  • More funds spurn nuclear arms, financing still strong

    Emphasis added

    “..329 banks , insurance companies, pension funds and asset managers from 24 countries invested significantly in the top 20 firms involved in nuclear weapons, such as Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and General Dynamics.

    Of the $525 billion invested, $81 billion more than a year previously, more than half came from the top 10 investors, all U.S.-based, led by Blackrock, Capital Group and Vanguard, the report said. ”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nuclear-funding/more-funds-spurn-nuclear-arms-financing-still-strong-report-idUSKCN1GJ0G9

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  • @gwynedd1
    When people have problems entire groups of people, its often a personal problem.

    When people have problems entire groups of people, its often a personal problem.

    Enlightened. I guess.

    Curious, though.
    Does that apply to Jews in general and Israelis in particular?.
    Or Negroes in general and African-Americans in particular?

    As for Balkans people, Serbs for example(I guess that applies here) does that apply to Croats and Kosovars/Albanians?

    Waiting…………….sort of.

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    Well yes Serbia ,Bulgaria Albania are all part of the Balkan Peninsula. Its generally a pattern or matrix defined by the landscape that tends to allow for a niche. to develop It is also characterized by the forces around it. To generalize about an area influenced by both sides of Roman and the Ottomans is just idiotic in itself. I am left to wonder if this method was used in the other argument.

    "Ethnic diversity is one of the region’s most characteristic social and political features. "
    -Britannica.

    Costa Rica is very much like the Balkans in a naturalistic way. It is a mountainous funnel between two continents. It has 4% of the species in the world and is thus the Byzantium- -Roman-Ottoman cross roads of its kind . Anyone that would say anything in general about it other than its diverse microclimate region would also be a laughing stock.

    So I would have to agree with FB that this person is a jackass; as he wondered in a area of my skill set, I am more apt to notice. Racism itself is a folly really only applicable to a mass of people given the individual differences vary. Group characteristic do exist but it can never be assumed to apply to an individual. That was a meta cultural sweeping statement and nothing other than random lashing out.

    That lends more credibility to FB....

    "Does that apply to Jews in general and Israelis in particular?."


    Jews in general no but Ashkenazim in the US and Israel? Different story.

    Jews are going to be an annoyance for several reasons. For one they are at the top of the socio-economic heap.Resentment of their power is inevitable. They can act on their whims and perversions . This also makes their women intolerable . The longer a civilian society remains the less appealing it is for finding mates. Why do people think civilizations rot? Men and women get it on the most after war where the men are a little more scarce, and the slave girls or under class women are more plentiful. (Romans loved their Gothic women and Arabs loved their slave girls). They are short on men looking to clime higher from base camp 4 all while the shiksas readily convert. They ironically have similar issues with blacks thus the feminist movement is full of blacks and Jews.

    The other problem with Jews is they they are polarizing. There are no checks and balances to their pathologies. The liberals remain here while the nationalist tend to like to settle in Israel. So the concentration of nationalistic wack jobs in Israel must rise while liberal wack jobs remain he without opposition. Those are some of the forces at work.



    And since you mention blacks, no to that as well. American blacks are not like other blacks. i can be said there is a dominant black culture but Africa is the most diverse of human cultures of them all.
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  • @FB
    Everything you said is completely wrong...

    What makes you think that as a layman who knows nothing about aeronautics that you can make statements intended to sound factual...?

    First have a look at my discussion of how a cruise missile works...

    Now about the 'satellites'...that is GPS for the T-hawk and other Nato knockoffs...

    This is NOT the primary guidance [navigation] system of a cruise missile...and it works perfectly well and will get to its target even if the GPS radio signal is jammed...or even if all GPS sats are shot down...

    The primary guidance system is an inertial nav system which is self contained and uses no radio signals like GPS [which can be jammed easily]...

    Inertial nav systems are also the primary navigation system in passenger jets, ICBMs and just about any other missile...

    They work on gyroscopic principles...hence the term 'inertial'...since gyroscopes work on the principle of inertia as per Newton's First Law of Motion...

    Early mechanical systems were based on spinning gyro wheels and they work on the principle that the gyroscope senses any acceleration of the aircraft whether up, down, left, right etc...here is a diagram showing the three axes of a flight vehicle...and the six possible movements about those axes...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/y5glpjh71/Flight_dynamics_with_text.png


    Knowing the exact geographic coordinates from where you started the flight...the inertial system can thus calculate your position at any time during the flight based on the accelerations of the vehicle that have occurred since moment one...


    '...An INS can detect a change in its geographic position (a move east or north, for example), a change in its velocity (speed and direction of movement) and a change in its orientation (rotation about an axis). It does this by measuring the linear acceleration and angular velocity applied to the system.

    Since it requires no external reference (after initialization), it is immune to jamming and deception...'
     

    Newer inertial nav systems use gyros employing laser or fiber optics or even more esoteric devices...but they are completely self-contained...just like the earlier mechanical gyros...and cannot be interfered with in any way from outside...

    A computer is used to do the math...namely two integrations [calculus] which are required to take the gyro sensor inputs and convert them to a position fix...


    '...acceleration measurements into an inertial reference frame (hence the term inertial navigation) where they are integrated once to get linear velocity, and twice to get linear position...'
     
    This computer can even be mechanical...but is nowadays a digital electronic computer...

    So your 'factual' statement is actually complete bullshit...

    Here is a picture of a gyro based nav system from the 1950s...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/z7qs7x7od/Project_SPIRE_Inertial_Navigation_Control_2.jpg


    Here is an inertial unit from a modern spacecraft...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/xtz5cg0nh/IMU-28_inertial_measurement_unit.jpg


    Notice the three laser gyros and their orientation relative to one another...so that they may measure accelerations about the flight vehicles three respective axes as illustrated above...

    As for your bullshit about terrain following...I don't have time to get into right now...but which is explained on the other thread I linked to...

    When will complete know-nothings get it in their head that looking at the brochure info in wikipedia does not qualify them to make factual-sounding statements...?

    Please do not wast my time by addressing me with amateur bullshit...if you have a question...as you obviously do...then ask...do not state pseudo facts and require me to expend a lot of useless effort on moronic bullshit...

    You certainly have a gift for explaining complex technical subjects in a manner that can be easily understood by laypersons such as myself.

    I just caught this which I found interesting, especially if they turn out to be the newer and smarter ones that Trump bragged about, if true it makes the episode an even bigger blunder.

    http://theduran.com/oops-two-unexploded-cruise-missiles-delivered-to-russia-from-syria/

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    Thanks Nosey...science is fun...and not that difficult to understand...
    , @gwynedd1
    My father was a mechanical engineer. I picked up enough to know that people don't know much about physics and its often counterintuitive. In just one example I had a mob once who declared me a fool for informing them the width of a tire had little to do with traction. I had at the time been bowsing my father's library of engineering books. The mob has long since dispersed and the fact still remains points of contact mean very little. Its about the downward force and the coefficients of the materials. Meanwhile most people just know.

    I should be thankful that I encountered my first counter intuitive thing when I was quite young. I became an empiricist.
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  • @prusmc
    Desert Fox:
    Assuming that it was an Israeli false flag on 9/11: if Gore , rather than Bush, was the President, would the attack still take place?

    Yes!

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  • Consider the possibility that your devious President knows what he’s doing and that is stalling for time until the war party can be surprised with a nimble sidestep.

    1. Is Trump to be trusted to tell the truth to anyone you’ve heard of?

    2. Do you think he doesn’t know that an Israeli aligned war party is aiming to keep the US at war in the ME and expand war to Iran, or at least its allies?

    3. Do you think he regards satisfying the war party as in 2. above as likely to help him get re-elected in 2020, or the reverse, and do you think this isn’t very important to him?

    4. How long would it take to gear up for war with Iran and how long would it take Trump to think up an obfuscatory excuse for not following through – or indeed four inconsistent and equally false excuses that he is quite happy to Tweet?

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    Hi Wiz,

    Consider the possibility that your devious President knows what he’s doing and that is stalling for time until the war party can be surprised with a nimble sidestep.
     
    We're cave-dwellers, answering half-empty / half-full questions by looking at shadows.
    I've gone out of step with everyone around me by saying that Trump's Bolton & Pompeo appointments in fact signify the opposite of what they appear to be.

    The problem Washington's adults face is that the NeoCon "War Party" holds Washington's political power cards along with all the media megaphones, and they are baying for war. What's more they are right. Either Western Capitalism brings more resources under its control, or it's gonna run out of runway and go into the shrubbery.

    The brain trusts in the Pentagon have done their sums, and (they may well have) concluded that there's no percentage in going toe to toe with the Russians. If a Pyrrhic victory is possible, it would be the last one, but they're in a damned-if-they-do / damned-if-they-don't situation. Collapse and re-build over decades, or go for it and most likely take the rest of the world down when you fail. I think the adults chose the former, but how do they sell it?

    I think "Trump's Missile Fiasco" was all about sending a message, and that message was intended for the War Party. When the Pentagon's assessment reports on the attack start circulating, I'm willing to bet they'll be even more despairing than the Kremlin's reports indicate. Reports coming from the ground in Syria (from Twitterers going round counting craters) indicate very few missiles, a dozen or so actually hit anything. If so, only 1/3 of the missiles that didn't get shot down went on to hit a target rather than flying off into the desert, or into a parking lot somewhere.

    In summary, as Bolton's and Pompeo's NeoCon credentials are beyond reproach, there’s simply no better men for the job of bringing the truth of the USM's impotence to the warmongers. That is, of course, if they themselves can be brought round to accepting that truth.

    Let's hope I'm right, and let's hope they get the message. ;-)
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  • @peterAUS

    What it has to do with the Balkans? His behaviour is typical of uncivilised hysterical Balkanic retards and I know what I’m talking about, I’m from the Balkans. As I said of all the people who think they’re hypersmart but are actually superdumb, people from the former Yugoslavia are second only to “progressives”, who beat them at it regardless of ethnicity. I can’t say anything about Scotsmen, I don’t know any Scotsman but I have worked with French people, Americans, Russians, Indians, Englishmen, Norwegians, the one people I detest having to deal with are people from the former Yugoslavia, they think they know everything but you have to pass after 99% of them after they finish work to fix the shit they’ve done. And if my answer doesn’t satisfy you I don’t bloody care.
     
    My hat's off to you for sure.

    Especially for:

    ..uncivilised hysterical Balkanic retards and I know what I’m talking about, I’m from the Balkans.
     
    To see somebody, here, or anywhere on the Internet in fact, able and willing to take a long and hard look at the ( group ) mirror is something.
    I've had similar experience, although can't say that Russians are far from it.

    When people have problems entire groups of people, its often a personal problem.

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    When people have problems entire groups of people, its often a personal problem.
     
    Enlightened. I guess.

    Curious, though.
    Does that apply to Jews in general and Israelis in particular?.
    Or Negroes in general and African-Americans in particular?

    As for Balkans people, Serbs for example(I guess that applies here) does that apply to Croats and Kosovars/Albanians?

    Waiting................sort of.
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  • Initially when Trump was campaigning he did say a few things against the wars in the ME which didn’t set well with the neocons! After he got into the office Trump modified his position because the neocons did gang up on him and forced him to come in line with their philosophy and their overall plan for the ME and freedom of aggression by Israel! A few weeks ago Trump surprised everyone when he said that he is going to pull out of Syria immediately! Shortly thereafter Trump was told by all American gangs to STFU because he isn’t running this country and he should only follow orders and not his own ideas!

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  • @Vojkan
    Because there is nothing to contend with. His answer, apart fron being insulting, is totally irrelevant to what I wrote. As I wrote, he regurgitates here what he has ingurgitated elsewhere without understanding the underlying concepts. What do you want me to answer? To start with the basics and explain you the P(ρ,θ,φ) - spherical - system of coordinates that is used in positioning? That a trajectory is a set of points with coordinates expressed in that way? Do you want me to explain what Beziers curves are, what are control points, how automatic correction of a trajectory works? The thing is FB does get some things correct, just as a broken clock shows the right time twice a day.
    Whatever, he's on my ignore list, I've been notified of his second answer, didn't read it and can live without knowing what he wrote.
    What it has to do with the Balkans? His behaviour is typical of uncivilised hysterical Balkanic retards and I know what I'm talking about, I'm from the Balkans. As I said of all the people who think they're hypersmart but are actually superdumb, people from the former Yugoslavia are second only to "progressives", who beat them at it regardless of ethnicity. I can't say anything about Scotsmen, I don't know any Scotsman but I have worked with French people, Americans, Russians, Indians, Englishmen, Norwegians, the one people I detest having to deal with are people from the former Yugoslavia, they think they know everything but you have to pass after 99% of them after they finish work to fix the shit they've done. And if my answer doesn't satisfy you I don't bloody care.

    OK I you have a bit of a history here together. I see he certainly can be insulting. However he leaves plenty of factual targets to contend.

    “His behaviour is typical of uncivilised hysterical Balkanic retards and I know what I’m talking about, I’m from the Balkans”

    Treating the Balkans as a monolithic group is interesting given its one of the most Balkanized parts of the world.

    ” I detest having to deal with are people from the former Yugoslavia”

    The former Yugoslavia is in the Balkans. So is Bulgaria, Greece , part of Turkey. There is a lack of precision here…..

    “And if my answer doesn’t satisfy you I don’t bloody care.”

    Then I would agree with anyone who thinks you are a moron.

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    Well, I don't assume people I talk to are ignorants who my persona needs to enlighten, I don't assume this is a forum for engineering nerds, and I don't feel the need to brag about my resume since I assume that in order to have a civilised discussion, you must treat people with respect and you must leave your personal issues at the door.
    As for "factual", boy, you must be ignorant of math and physics, because you see, quite a few time, his math just didn't add up. The "facts" he presents here, it takes 15 min of googling to find elsewhere, and even when accurate, which often they aren't, are most of the time totally irrelevant to the discussion. The character displays all the traits of a frustrated asocial nerd who thinks of himself he's eminently knowledgeable and clever and has to show to the world that girls are wrong to ignore him.
    But you can call me a moron all you want, I systematically add people who spit insults to my "ignore" list.
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  • @Vojkan
    Because there is nothing to contend with. His answer, apart fron being insulting, is totally irrelevant to what I wrote. As I wrote, he regurgitates here what he has ingurgitated elsewhere without understanding the underlying concepts. What do you want me to answer? To start with the basics and explain you the P(ρ,θ,φ) - spherical - system of coordinates that is used in positioning? That a trajectory is a set of points with coordinates expressed in that way? Do you want me to explain what Beziers curves are, what are control points, how automatic correction of a trajectory works? The thing is FB does get some things correct, just as a broken clock shows the right time twice a day.
    Whatever, he's on my ignore list, I've been notified of his second answer, didn't read it and can live without knowing what he wrote.
    What it has to do with the Balkans? His behaviour is typical of uncivilised hysterical Balkanic retards and I know what I'm talking about, I'm from the Balkans. As I said of all the people who think they're hypersmart but are actually superdumb, people from the former Yugoslavia are second only to "progressives", who beat them at it regardless of ethnicity. I can't say anything about Scotsmen, I don't know any Scotsman but I have worked with French people, Americans, Russians, Indians, Englishmen, Norwegians, the one people I detest having to deal with are people from the former Yugoslavia, they think they know everything but you have to pass after 99% of them after they finish work to fix the shit they've done. And if my answer doesn't satisfy you I don't bloody care.

    What it has to do with the Balkans? His behaviour is typical of uncivilised hysterical Balkanic retards and I know what I’m talking about, I’m from the Balkans. As I said of all the people who think they’re hypersmart but are actually superdumb, people from the former Yugoslavia are second only to “progressives”, who beat them at it regardless of ethnicity. I can’t say anything about Scotsmen, I don’t know any Scotsman but I have worked with French people, Americans, Russians, Indians, Englishmen, Norwegians, the one people I detest having to deal with are people from the former Yugoslavia, they think they know everything but you have to pass after 99% of them after they finish work to fix the shit they’ve done. And if my answer doesn’t satisfy you I don’t bloody care.

    My hat’s off to you for sure.

    Especially for:

    ..uncivilised hysterical Balkanic retards and I know what I’m talking about, I’m from the Balkans.

    To see somebody, here, or anywhere on the Internet in fact, able and willing to take a long and hard look at the ( group ) mirror is something.
    I’ve had similar experience, although can’t say that Russians are far from it.

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    When people have problems entire groups of people, its often a personal problem.
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  • @Vojkan
    Punk, I suspect you to be of some Balkanic origin. That's where you find nerds who think of themselves they're super-smart but are actually asses who suffer from arrested development.
    Unlike you, I have actually worked on military projects in a NATO country that invluded vehicle positioning and guidance and weapons systems trajectories. Now, you may regurgitate here stuff you have ingurgitated elsewhere because, as all folks, who suffer from arrested development, you crave for recognition of your genius. That may pass with people who lack knowledge in the field you pretend to be expert at, the problem is that to anyone better informed, it is obvious that you're just a nerd who doesn't understands the concepts behind the things he bathers about. From now on, you're on my "hide" list because I can't even stand any more to have to scroll over your bs.

    Don’t say…..

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  • @Mike P
    It has always been this way - hard work, frugality, it is a cultural thing. If the currency were allowed to float, the problem would take care of itself, as indeed it did in times of the Deutschmark.

    Although they are selling them the capital goods that China is using to deindustrialse the rest of the world, Germans won’t escape the “pax sinica”.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/16/chinas-growing-economic-presence-in-eu-causing-concern–commentary.html

    Berlin is also very worried about China’s buying spree in the heartland of its top technologies — a recent allegedly stealthy purchase of a 9.7 percent stake in Daimler (which owns the Mercedes Benz brand of cars), an 8.8 percent ownership of the Deutsche Bank, the purchase of the robotics firm KUKA and the energy management company Ista.

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  • @gwynedd1
    As a neutral observer, this was the reply of a jackass. I must admit that I am partial to claims supported by facts because those are the kind of replies I like to make. I know that my facts can be challenged and are falsifiable. Why didn't you proceed to contend on the issue of guidance systems? And what the hell does the Balkans have to do with it? Are you a complete moron? If I lose an argument I should staring talking about random ethnic groups , and maybe accuse them of being a cheap Scotsman?

    Because there is nothing to contend with. His answer, apart fron being insulting, is totally irrelevant to what I wrote. As I wrote, he regurgitates here what he has ingurgitated elsewhere without understanding the underlying concepts. What do you want me to answer? To start with the basics and explain you the P(ρ,θ,φ) – spherical – system of coordinates that is used in positioning? That a trajectory is a set of points with coordinates expressed in that way? Do you want me to explain what Beziers curves are, what are control points, how automatic correction of a trajectory works? The thing is FB does get some things correct, just as a broken clock shows the right time twice a day.
    Whatever, he’s on my ignore list, I’ve been notified of his second answer, didn’t read it and can live without knowing what he wrote.
    What it has to do with the Balkans? His behaviour is typical of uncivilised hysterical Balkanic retards and I know what I’m talking about, I’m from the Balkans. As I said of all the people who think they’re hypersmart but are actually superdumb, people from the former Yugoslavia are second only to “progressives”, who beat them at it regardless of ethnicity. I can’t say anything about Scotsmen, I don’t know any Scotsman but I have worked with French people, Americans, Russians, Indians, Englishmen, Norwegians, the one people I detest having to deal with are people from the former Yugoslavia, they think they know everything but you have to pass after 99% of them after they finish work to fix the shit they’ve done. And if my answer doesn’t satisfy you I don’t bloody care.

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    What it has to do with the Balkans? His behaviour is typical of uncivilised hysterical Balkanic retards and I know what I’m talking about, I’m from the Balkans. As I said of all the people who think they’re hypersmart but are actually superdumb, people from the former Yugoslavia are second only to “progressives”, who beat them at it regardless of ethnicity. I can’t say anything about Scotsmen, I don’t know any Scotsman but I have worked with French people, Americans, Russians, Indians, Englishmen, Norwegians, the one people I detest having to deal with are people from the former Yugoslavia, they think they know everything but you have to pass after 99% of them after they finish work to fix the shit they’ve done. And if my answer doesn’t satisfy you I don’t bloody care.
     
    My hat's off to you for sure.

    Especially for:

    ..uncivilised hysterical Balkanic retards and I know what I’m talking about, I’m from the Balkans.
     
    To see somebody, here, or anywhere on the Internet in fact, able and willing to take a long and hard look at the ( group ) mirror is something.
    I've had similar experience, although can't say that Russians are far from it.
    , @gwynedd1
    OK I you have a bit of a history here together. I see he certainly can be insulting. However he leaves plenty of factual targets to contend.

    "His behaviour is typical of uncivilised hysterical Balkanic retards and I know what I’m talking about, I’m from the Balkans"

    Treating the Balkans as a monolithic group is interesting given its one of the most Balkanized parts of the world.

    " I detest having to deal with are people from the former Yugoslavia"

    The former Yugoslavia is in the Balkans. So is Bulgaria, Greece , part of Turkey. There is a lack of precision here.....


    "And if my answer doesn’t satisfy you I don’t bloody care."

    Then I would agree with anyone who thinks you are a moron.

    , @Twodees Partain
    I wouldn't waste any time on these assholes, if I were you. Neither of them has ever had anything interesting to say.
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  • @DESERT FOX
    The missile attacks confirmed Israels control over the U.S. gov which was proven by the fact that Israel did 911 and got away with killing some 3000 Americans. Israel and her ziocons control the U.S. gov lock stock and gun barrel and are destroying America.

    Assad has never used gas attacks on the Syrian people , these attacks were perpetrated by the CIA and the MOSSAD and MI6 and NATOs Operation Gladio, these people are satanist war mongers straight from HELL.

    God bless Assad and Syria and Putin and Russia for standing against these satanic forces that are HELL bent on destroying Syria.

    Desert Fox:
    Assuming that it was an Israeli false flag on 9/11: if Gore , rather than Bush, was the President, would the attack still take place?

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    Yes!
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  • @Sean
    Iran is making itself a target, one wonders who they think is going to save them.

    You are assuming that Iran has not been penetrated or at least compromised. Also I do not trust the representation of Iran in our media. A statement of political reorganization was translated as “wiping Israel off the map” which is another “we will bury you” farce.

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  • @Vojkan
    Punk, I suspect you to be of some Balkanic origin. That's where you find nerds who think of themselves they're super-smart but are actually asses who suffer from arrested development.
    Unlike you, I have actually worked on military projects in a NATO country that invluded vehicle positioning and guidance and weapons systems trajectories. Now, you may regurgitate here stuff you have ingurgitated elsewhere because, as all folks, who suffer from arrested development, you crave for recognition of your genius. That may pass with people who lack knowledge in the field you pretend to be expert at, the problem is that to anyone better informed, it is obvious that you're just a nerd who doesn't understands the concepts behind the things he bathers about. From now on, you're on my "hide" list because I can't even stand any more to have to scroll over your bs.

    As a neutral observer, this was the reply of a jackass. I must admit that I am partial to claims supported by facts because those are the kind of replies I like to make. I know that my facts can be challenged and are falsifiable. Why didn’t you proceed to contend on the issue of guidance systems? And what the hell does the Balkans have to do with it? Are you a complete moron? If I lose an argument I should staring talking about random ethnic groups , and maybe accuse them of being a cheap Scotsman?

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    Because there is nothing to contend with. His answer, apart fron being insulting, is totally irrelevant to what I wrote. As I wrote, he regurgitates here what he has ingurgitated elsewhere without understanding the underlying concepts. What do you want me to answer? To start with the basics and explain you the P(ρ,θ,φ) - spherical - system of coordinates that is used in positioning? That a trajectory is a set of points with coordinates expressed in that way? Do you want me to explain what Beziers curves are, what are control points, how automatic correction of a trajectory works? The thing is FB does get some things correct, just as a broken clock shows the right time twice a day.
    Whatever, he's on my ignore list, I've been notified of his second answer, didn't read it and can live without knowing what he wrote.
    What it has to do with the Balkans? His behaviour is typical of uncivilised hysterical Balkanic retards and I know what I'm talking about, I'm from the Balkans. As I said of all the people who think they're hypersmart but are actually superdumb, people from the former Yugoslavia are second only to "progressives", who beat them at it regardless of ethnicity. I can't say anything about Scotsmen, I don't know any Scotsman but I have worked with French people, Americans, Russians, Indians, Englishmen, Norwegians, the one people I detest having to deal with are people from the former Yugoslavia, they think they know everything but you have to pass after 99% of them after they finish work to fix the shit they've done. And if my answer doesn't satisfy you I don't bloody care.
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  • @Sean

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/germanys-surplus-based-on-unionbacked-wage-restraint/news-story/49f3577bc3406696158a0405092f4414

    In most years since 1950, Germany has run a surplus on its current account, a broad measure of the balance of trade. When in surplus, domestic savings exceed domestic investments, with the excess lent abroad. These surpluses mean other countries must run current account deficits (in other words, borrow) to ensure there is enough aggregate demand to keep people in work. Last year, Germany’s surplus was a mammoth 8.3 per cent of GDP. At almost $300 billion that is far larger than China’s surplus, which was once a target of angry US congressmen. Now Germany is accused of piggybacking on other countries’ spending and of exporting job losses. Donald Trump has castigated its surplus as “very bad” and bemoaned the number of German cars sold in America — “we will stop this”. [..]

    Within the euro club, the gripe is that Germany, as the most creditworthy member, has insisted on austerity for countries with heavy debts, without recognising that its own tight rein on spending makes that adjustment harder. [...] .

    What makes the issue so difficult to resolve, or even to acknowledge, is that Germany’s savings surpluses are not the outcome of explicit economic policy. Instead, their roots lie in a tacit business model from which emerge both the admired and disparaged facets of Germany’s economy [...]Even so, since 2010, Germany ties with Canada for the fastest wage growth among G7 countries. Enderlein expects nominal pay rises of 3-4 per cent over the next few years in Germany.

    Old habits are hard to shift, however. A few years ago, Bofinger argued in favour of faster wage rises in Germany, instead of pay cuts in southern Europe, as a better way to restore balance to the euro zone. He was taken to task by a union leader who reasoned that Germany would lose jobs to China as a consequence.
     

    So the West is being played for a fool by the country they pay to defend: Germany.

    It has always been this way – hard work, frugality, it is a cultural thing. If the currency were allowed to float, the problem would take care of itself, as indeed it did in times of the Deutschmark.

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    Although they are selling them the capital goods that China is using to deindustrialse the rest of the world, Germans won't escape the "pax sinica".

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/16/chinas-growing-economic-presence-in-eu-causing-concern--commentary.html

    Berlin is also very worried about China's buying spree in the heartland of its top technologies — a recent allegedly stealthy purchase of a 9.7 percent stake in Daimler (which owns the Mercedes Benz brand of cars), an 8.8 percent ownership of the Deutsche Bank, the purchase of the robotics firm KUKA and the energy management company Ista.
     

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  • I guess Trump was right about the missiles being nice and smart.

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  • @Carroll Price

    It just seems like a very dangerous ploy for a meaningless reward (the natural resources Syria and strategic importance of Syria are very modest).
     
    Maybe true, except for the fact that Syria, under Assad's leadership serves as a convenient land route over which sophisticated weapons produced in Iran are delivered to Hezbollah defense forces in Lebanon. In my opinion, this is the primary reason behind current US and Israeli efforts being made to destroy Assad. The bottom line is that Israel has been attacking it's weak neighbors for such a long time, until they simply find it impossible to live with the reality of being unable to invade Lebanon on the slightest pretext. In addition and more ominous, Hezbollah's leader Hassan Rouhani has publically stated that Hezbollah defense forces may eventually extend their protection to the Palestinian people held captive in the Gaza Strip

    Iran is making itself a target, one wonders who they think is going to save them.

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    You are assuming that Iran has not been penetrated or at least compromised. Also I do not trust the representation of Iran in our media. A statement of political reorganization was translated as "wiping Israel off the map" which is another "we will bury you" farce.
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  • @Mike P
    What keeps German wages down, in real terms, is the Euro, not the migrants.

    You are correct on the neglect of the armed forces. I have griped about it often, but I have recently changed my tune. If the forces were indeed up to snuff, this would only cause the U.S. to "ask" for their deployment in their many endless idiotic wars. Letting the troops degrade to some sort of war museum on wheels is a sly way of getting out of that - can't deploy in the short term, sorry, no spark plugs, but will be more than happy to go along for the next war ... so I now see this as one of the few things Merkel got right.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/germanys-surplus-based-on-unionbacked-wage-restraint/news-story/49f3577bc3406696158a0405092f4414

    In most years since 1950, Germany has run a surplus on its current account, a broad measure of the balance of trade. When in surplus, domestic savings exceed domestic investments, with the excess lent abroad. These surpluses mean other countries must run current account deficits (in other words, borrow) to ensure there is enough aggregate demand to keep people in work. Last year, Germany’s surplus was a mammoth 8.3 per cent of GDP. At almost $300 billion that is far larger than China’s surplus, which was once a target of angry US congressmen. Now Germany is accused of piggybacking on other countries’ spending and of exporting job losses. Donald Trump has castigated its surplus as “very bad” and bemoaned the number of German cars sold in America — “we will stop this”. [..]

    Within the euro club, the gripe is that Germany, as the most creditworthy member, has insisted on austerity for countries with heavy debts, without recognising that its own tight rein on spending makes that adjustment harder. [...] .

    What makes the issue so difficult to resolve, or even to acknowledge, is that Germany’s savings surpluses are not the outcome of explicit economic policy. Instead, their roots lie in a tacit business model from which emerge both the admired and disparaged facets of Germany’s economy [...]Even so, since 2010, Germany ties with Canada for the fastest wage growth among G7 countries. Enderlein expects nominal pay rises of 3-4 per cent over the next few years in Germany.

    Old habits are hard to shift, however. A few years ago, Bofinger argued in favour of faster wage rises in Germany, instead of pay cuts in southern Europe, as a better way to restore balance to the euro zone. He was taken to task by a union leader who reasoned that Germany would lose jobs to China as a consequence.

    So the West is being played for a fool by the country they pay to defend: Germany.

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    It has always been this way - hard work, frugality, it is a cultural thing. If the currency were allowed to float, the problem would take care of itself, as indeed it did in times of the Deutschmark.
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  • Could it be that even at some stage beyond the simple expedient pertaining to the apparent understood objective that is said to be the main concern of the day, that really these are just signs of the time at which public participation and need to know, fundimently are no longer.

    Their sole task is to create a justification for more carnage.

    That the present issue of war on a small country, one of several issues that have been on the current events front burner lately that have highlighted a tenuous at best, concern (on the part of the… history’s actors as it were,) about any need for solid well documented plain evidence as precursor?

    My point would be: that the need for evidence and to give plausible reasons for action, has become obsolete, and a burden, so it is being mothballed, disassemble, and got rid of.

    In the future there won’t be any expectation of going hat in hand to a skeptical public and seeking to lobby for their consensuses on any felt impulses to move with total abandon all and sundry. They will act, those who care any, will study judiciously or not, the repercussions as they will be reported or not…

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  • @Andrew E. Mathis
    Here's the opening line:

    "The substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, according to Swiss state Spiez lab, the Russian foreign minister said."

    That's hearsay, whether you like it or not. If you can find somewhere in that article where a single, solitary person from Spiez is quoted directly, post it now.

    I agreed with you about Yoda Shamir being unreliable…but if you are trying to defend the Skripal charade as legitimate then you are deluded…

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  • @Wally
    Hasbarist, the source is the Swiss lab, read what I posted ... and you can't prove me wrong.

    Here’s the opening line:

    “The substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, according to Swiss state Spiez lab, the Russian foreign minister said.”

    That’s hearsay, whether you like it or not. If you can find somewhere in that article where a single, solitary person from Spiez is quoted directly, post it now.

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    I agreed with you about Yoda Shamir being unreliable...but if you are trying to defend the Skripal charade as legitimate then you are deluded...
    , @Wally
    Bingo:

    "The substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, according to Swiss state Spiez lab"

    Prove it wrong, Zionist.

    Still owning you.

    www.codoh.com
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  • @Wally
    And:
    "The poisoning of Skripal ended with the old spy in good health; with Boris Johnson being caught lying; with [the chemical weapons control body] OPCW refusing to connect Skripal’s poison to Moscow; and with Brits keeping Miss Skripal incommunicado under duress, away from her fiancé and the rest of her family, a clear sign of a collapsing story."

    http://www.unz.com/ishamir/first-joust/

    Too easy.

    You think Israel Shamir is a reliable source?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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  • @Vojkan
    Punk, I suspect you to be of some Balkanic origin. That's where you find nerds who think of themselves they're super-smart but are actually asses who suffer from arrested development.
    Unlike you, I have actually worked on military projects in a NATO country that invluded vehicle positioning and guidance and weapons systems trajectories. Now, you may regurgitate here stuff you have ingurgitated elsewhere because, as all folks, who suffer from arrested development, you crave for recognition of your genius. That may pass with people who lack knowledge in the field you pretend to be expert at, the problem is that to anyone better informed, it is obvious that you're just a nerd who doesn't understands the concepts behind the things he bathers about. From now on, you're on my "hide" list because I can't even stand any more to have to scroll over your bs.

    ‘…Unlike you, I have actually worked on military projects in a NATO country that invluded [sic] vehicle positioning and guidance and weapons systems trajectories…’

    What kind of vehicle positioning are you talking about…valet parking…?

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  • @FB
    Thanks for the Tass article link...

    Yes...there is no question that the US would have targeted Syrian airfields...apparently a few did get through at one airfield...but the others were fully rejected...

    Laymen who know nothing about aircraft or missiles do not understand the complexities and detail involved...they simply accept the brochure 'information' presented on wikipedia and such about the capabilities of such flight vehicles...

    This does not shed any light on a fascinating and important subject...important because now we have had some air combat between US and Nato airpower [Ship, sub and air launched cruise missiles vs. Russian air defenses]...

    Clearly the Russians won...there was not a single death on the Syrian side...the US did destroy a few buildings...most notably the Barzeh research center in the Damascus area...

    We can tell the Russians won this round because the US is claiming completely ridiculous stuff...that they launched 76 T-hawks with a combined TNT tonnage of nearly 40 tons...yet little pine shrubs standing 20 feet away are completely intact...

    I mean how stupid...?

    Clearly the US is claiming such a high number of attacks on the three buildings that they did hit because they failed to hit those airfields...and we know that they failed to hit those airfields because if they did we would have satellite imagery being boastfully released...

    You can tell as much by the information that is withheld as you can by the information they give out...

    Now for some basic technical facts...cruise missiles are not hard to shoot down once they are spotted...but the hard part is spotting them because they are small and thus do not bounce back strong radar reflections...

    They can fly close to terrain...although this is not always the case as I have explained previously and depends on the ingress route and the type of terrain along that flight path...ie if it is required to fly over mountainous terrain it must fly quite high...

    In 1999 the Serbs shot down a number T-hawks with their 1950s era Soviet equipment...here is the remains of one T-hawk airframe in the Belgrade Aviation Museum...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/y3a1od5u5/Downed_Tomahawk_cruise_missile_in_Belgrade_Serbia.jpg

    Once spotted on radar...the T-hawks and similar subsonic cruise missiles are sitting ducks...they have no means of evading missile shots...either from an air to air missile launched from a fighter jet...or a surface to air missile launched from an air defense battery...

    A fighter jet relies on a radar warning receiver to alert the crew that it has been targeted by a missile shot and the crew can instantly commence evasive maneuver...which is basically going into a steep banked turn so as to break radar lock and evade the missile shot...

    Cruise missiles have no such RWR...and it would be pointless to equipment with such since they have very poor turning performance...

    This is due to their very high wing loading...which is the ratio of wing area to aircraft weight...a T-hawk weighs about 3,000 lb but has a wing area of only about 10 square feet for a wing loading of 300 lb/ft^2...

    That is about three times as high as a passenger jet's wing loading and as much as five times higher than a fighter jet...

    Think of wing loading and how it relates to maneuverability by considering a person carrying a backpack...if that person is running and they need to change course having that extra weight on their back will not let them zigzag like a runner carrying no weight...

    The same is true for climb performance...think of carrying 100 lb in your backpack and climbing up a set of stairs...

    The physical laws of flight performance are based on Newtonian Mechanics and cannot be argued with...

    The thrust to weight ratio of a cruise missile is about comparable to that of a passenger jet...the thrust of the T-hawks Williams turbofan engine is about 700 lb against a weight of 3,000 lb that is less than 0.25 thrust to weight...

    A powerful fighter like an F15 will have a thrust to weight ratio of close to unity or even above...ie it's engine thrust is actually equal to or greater than its weight and the airplane can thus climb straight up like a rocket...

    So the key in defending against subsonic cruise missiles...which fly at about the same speed as passenger jet, about 500 mph [800 km/hr]...is to pick them up on radar...

    The Russians have clearly prepared for such an attack ever since the Shayrat strike...the very powerful Russian radars in Syria are capable of tracking any flying object...and the Syrian SAM batteries are networked into that system and are fed that radar data in real time...

    We also saw in some of those missile intercept videos near the Damascus airport that Syrian jets were taking off and landing...this is because the jets would use their onboard radar to find the cruise missiles and data link that info back to the SAM batteries...

    A fighter is easily capable of taking down a cruise missile with an AA shot also...but this all comes down to pilot skill and training...something which the SyAAF may not be dealing with on a regular basis...considering their focus on the fight against ground targets in Jihadist areas...

    As for the Pantsir...yes this point defense system is the perfect tool to shoot down cruise missiles...it is the successor of the Tor SAM system that was designed specifically to shoot down T-hawks...

    The older SAMs did not perform badly according to the Russian MoD assessment...the S125 is a 1950s era system that the Serbs used to down two F117s and an F16...much more difficult targets than a T-hawk...

    The S200 is a huge missile with a 350 km range...exceeded only by the latest S400 long range missile introduced into service only a couple of years ago...

    It flies extremely fast 2,500 m/s which is about Mach 8...it is even faster than the new S400 missiles which fly at 2,000 m/s...by comparison the USN Raytheon SM6 air defense missile used on Aegis missile ships flies only at M3.5...about 1,000 m/s...

    The high speed of the S200 is actually its disadvantage against a slow moving target like a cruise missile...the laws of physics tell us that the faster the vehicle is flying, the larger its turn radius will be...thus the big S200 is not going to do well against cruise missiles...this is not surprising...

    Overall...the Russian MoD version of events is certainly way more credible than the US version which is full of holes...

    Terrific write.

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  • @Carroll Price

    It just seems like a very dangerous ploy for a meaningless reward (the natural resources Syria and strategic importance of Syria are very modest).
     
    Maybe true, except for the fact that Syria, under Assad's leadership serves as a convenient land route over which sophisticated weapons produced in Iran are delivered to Hezbollah defense forces in Lebanon. In my opinion, this is the primary reason behind current US and Israeli efforts being made to destroy Assad. The bottom line is that Israel has been attacking it's weak neighbors for such a long time, until they simply find it impossible to live with the reality of being unable to invade Lebanon on the slightest pretext. In addition and more ominous, Hezbollah's leader Hassan Rouhani has publically stated that Hezbollah defense forces may eventually extend their protection to the Palestinian people held captive in the Gaza Strip
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  • @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    That's not really an accurate statement, to say that he's siding with illegal aliens.

    Trump should've dropped the case altogether. Having an ambiguous and unclear definition of "violent" will just clog up the court system.

    Explicitly name the crimes worthy of deportation and go again. I support Mr. Gorsuch's decision, and he is still on thin ice for me until he proves himself though. Far too many Republican swamp traitors.

    That’s not really an accurate statement, to say that he’s siding with illegal aliens.

    The other 4 ‘conservative ‘ judges voted against Gorsuch.

    Explicitly name the crimes worthy of deportation and go again.

    Easy, being an illegal alien.

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  • @FB
    Everything you said is completely wrong...

    What makes you think that as a layman who knows nothing about aeronautics that you can make statements intended to sound factual...?

    First have a look at my discussion of how a cruise missile works...

    Now about the 'satellites'...that is GPS for the T-hawk and other Nato knockoffs...

    This is NOT the primary guidance [navigation] system of a cruise missile...and it works perfectly well and will get to its target even if the GPS radio signal is jammed...or even if all GPS sats are shot down...

    The primary guidance system is an inertial nav system which is self contained and uses no radio signals like GPS [which can be jammed easily]...

    Inertial nav systems are also the primary navigation system in passenger jets, ICBMs and just about any other missile...

    They work on gyroscopic principles...hence the term 'inertial'...since gyroscopes work on the principle of inertia as per Newton's First Law of Motion...

    Early mechanical systems were based on spinning gyro wheels and they work on the principle that the gyroscope senses any acceleration of the aircraft whether up, down, left, right etc...here is a diagram showing the three axes of a flight vehicle...and the six possible movements about those axes...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/y5glpjh71/Flight_dynamics_with_text.png


    Knowing the exact geographic coordinates from where you started the flight...the inertial system can thus calculate your position at any time during the flight based on the accelerations of the vehicle that have occurred since moment one...


    '...An INS can detect a change in its geographic position (a move east or north, for example), a change in its velocity (speed and direction of movement) and a change in its orientation (rotation about an axis). It does this by measuring the linear acceleration and angular velocity applied to the system.

    Since it requires no external reference (after initialization), it is immune to jamming and deception...'
     

    Newer inertial nav systems use gyros employing laser or fiber optics or even more esoteric devices...but they are completely self-contained...just like the earlier mechanical gyros...and cannot be interfered with in any way from outside...

    A computer is used to do the math...namely two integrations [calculus] which are required to take the gyro sensor inputs and convert them to a position fix...


    '...acceleration measurements into an inertial reference frame (hence the term inertial navigation) where they are integrated once to get linear velocity, and twice to get linear position...'
     
    This computer can even be mechanical...but is nowadays a digital electronic computer...

    So your 'factual' statement is actually complete bullshit...

    Here is a picture of a gyro based nav system from the 1950s...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/z7qs7x7od/Project_SPIRE_Inertial_Navigation_Control_2.jpg


    Here is an inertial unit from a modern spacecraft...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/xtz5cg0nh/IMU-28_inertial_measurement_unit.jpg


    Notice the three laser gyros and their orientation relative to one another...so that they may measure accelerations about the flight vehicles three respective axes as illustrated above...

    As for your bullshit about terrain following...I don't have time to get into right now...but which is explained on the other thread I linked to...

    When will complete know-nothings get it in their head that looking at the brochure info in wikipedia does not qualify them to make factual-sounding statements...?

    Please do not wast my time by addressing me with amateur bullshit...if you have a question...as you obviously do...then ask...do not state pseudo facts and require me to expend a lot of useless effort on moronic bullshit...

    Punk, I suspect you to be of some Balkanic origin. That’s where you find nerds who think of themselves they’re super-smart but are actually asses who suffer from arrested development.
    Unlike you, I have actually worked on military projects in a NATO country that invluded vehicle positioning and guidance and weapons systems trajectories. Now, you may regurgitate here stuff you have ingurgitated elsewhere because, as all folks, who suffer from arrested development, you crave for recognition of your genius. That may pass with people who lack knowledge in the field you pretend to be expert at, the problem is that to anyone better informed, it is obvious that you’re just a nerd who doesn’t understands the concepts behind the things he bathers about. From now on, you’re on my “hide” list because I can’t even stand any more to have to scroll over your bs.

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    '...Unlike you, I have actually worked on military projects in a NATO country that invluded [sic] vehicle positioning and guidance and weapons systems trajectories...'
     
    What kind of vehicle positioning are you talking about...valet parking...?
    , @gwynedd1
    As a neutral observer, this was the reply of a jackass. I must admit that I am partial to claims supported by facts because those are the kind of replies I like to make. I know that my facts can be challenged and are falsifiable. Why didn't you proceed to contend on the issue of guidance systems? And what the hell does the Balkans have to do with it? Are you a complete moron? If I lose an argument I should staring talking about random ethnic groups , and maybe accuse them of being a cheap Scotsman?
    , @peterAUS
    Don't say.....
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  • ‘wag the dog’

    Starting the story in the Middle East, where the action is, then going to the White House, the ostensible control node behind much of the strife in the Middle East, including the missile attack, the story then, somewhat arbitrarily stops its trace of the root cause of the empire’s aggression and swerves onto a tangent of Russia-hatred and Mueller and the Byzantine-like … fog and shroud around how policy is actually formulated.
    Seeing the story’s path go to it’s ultimately horrendous worst-case scenario conclusion is somewhat mollifying, by the deft avoidance of the addressing the root cause of the empire’s aggression leaves the reader bewildered.
    Finally, in the last paragraph, you brush by the subject:

    The president has aligned himself with a Zionist right-wing fringe who see the conflict as a proxy-war with Iran that must be won in order to establish US-Israeli regional hegemony and maintain a stranglehold on vital resources and pipeline corridors.

    I believe that we a little bit (huge – over the cliff) beyond describing this phenomenon as a recent, “alignment, somehow having something to do with this latest event, and perhaps some influence moving forward.

    Come on!

    The time has past to only whisper it from the shadows, if at all.
    We’re all being kept, or managed in a state of ongoing conflict and stress to accomplish a sociopathic goal for the most dedicated culturally criminalized gangster collective of all time, to rule all.

    This latest action stands as yet another grotesque monument to their sickeningly psychopathic control over the U.S.A..
    They are obsessed with controlling things.
    This latest missile strike (2018.04.14), costing upwards of $180 million dollars, including the sick, toady ‘cheerleaders’ Teresa May and (the mole) Emmanuel Macro, (showing their bootie), which everybody knows (who can still think to a minimum level of independence) that the entire operation was a fraud, from Skripal to the ridiculously obvious bogus chemical attack, is just that, a message to the free-thinkers of the world, a boast of “aren’t we so clever“.
    This pronouncement is just that, an obnoxious, openly contemptuous display of the degree with which they can control the empire’s leaders, and everybody else puppetting the official line, to the extreme extent of getting them to officially endorse (and in some cases of the public believe), this absurdly laughable narrative.

    We are not talking about a little piece of land in the Middle East, occupied by a brutal, murderous colonial gang of psychopaths, using their victims as human shields against what has been earned by them, over, and over, and over again, we’re talking about a virtual nation which exists with many agents embedded within the control structures of the “higher civilizations” and subverted them, by gaming their liberal democracies, at the cost of the loss of those liberal democracies, including the rights and freedoms that they achieved.

    Isn’t this what this story is all about!?

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  • @Vojkan
    Missiles that fly close to the terrain can evade radars by flying low over flats or between slopes where there is relief but they have to rely on satellites for positioning. Jam the communication and the missile no longer knows where it is. I wonder how much debris there is now in the mountains north of Damascus.

    Everything you said is completely wrong…

    What makes you think that as a layman who knows nothing about aeronautics that you can make statements intended to sound factual…?

    First have a look at my discussion of how a cruise missile works…

    Now about the ‘satellites’…that is GPS for the T-hawk and other Nato knockoffs…

    This is NOT the primary guidance [navigation] system of a cruise missile…and it works perfectly well and will get to its target even if the GPS radio signal is jammed…or even if all GPS sats are shot down…

    The primary guidance system is an inertial nav system which is self contained and uses no radio signals like GPS [which can be jammed easily]…

    Inertial nav systems are also the primary navigation system in passenger jets, ICBMs and just about any other missile…

    They work on gyroscopic principles…hence the term ‘inertial’…since gyroscopes work on the principle of inertia as per Newton’s First Law of Motion…

    Early mechanical systems were based on spinning gyro wheels and they work on the principle that the gyroscope senses any acceleration of the aircraft whether up, down, left, right etc…here is a diagram showing the three axes of a flight vehicle…and the six possible movements about those axes…

    Knowing the exact geographic coordinates from where you started the flight…the inertial system can thus calculate your position at any time during the flight based on the accelerations of the vehicle that have occurred since moment one…

    ‘…An INS can detect a change in its geographic position (a move east or north, for example), a change in its velocity (speed and direction of movement) and a change in its orientation (rotation about an axis). It does this by measuring the linear acceleration and angular velocity applied to the system.

    Since it requires no external reference (after initialization), it is immune to jamming and deception…’

    Newer inertial nav systems use gyros employing laser or fiber optics or even more esoteric devices…but they are completely self-contained…just like the earlier mechanical gyros…and cannot be interfered with in any way from outside…

    A computer is used to do the math…namely two integrations [calculus] which are required to take the gyro sensor inputs and convert them to a position fix…

    ‘…acceleration measurements into an inertial reference frame (hence the term inertial navigation) where they are integrated once to get linear velocity, and twice to get linear position…’

    This computer can even be mechanical…but is nowadays a digital electronic computer…

    So your ‘factual’ statement is actually complete bullshit…

    Here is a picture of a gyro based nav system from the 1950s…

    Here is an inertial unit from a modern spacecraft…

    Notice the three laser gyros and their orientation relative to one another…so that they may measure accelerations about the flight vehicles three respective axes as illustrated above…

    As for your bullshit about terrain following…I don’t have time to get into right now…but which is explained on the other thread I linked to…

    When will complete know-nothings get it in their head that looking at the brochure info in wikipedia does not qualify them to make factual-sounding statements…?

    Please do not wast my time by addressing me with amateur bullshit…if you have a question…as you obviously do…then ask…do not state pseudo facts and require me to expend a lot of useless effort on moronic bullshit…

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    Punk, I suspect you to be of some Balkanic origin. That's where you find nerds who think of themselves they're super-smart but are actually asses who suffer from arrested development.
    Unlike you, I have actually worked on military projects in a NATO country that invluded vehicle positioning and guidance and weapons systems trajectories. Now, you may regurgitate here stuff you have ingurgitated elsewhere because, as all folks, who suffer from arrested development, you crave for recognition of your genius. That may pass with people who lack knowledge in the field you pretend to be expert at, the problem is that to anyone better informed, it is obvious that you're just a nerd who doesn't understands the concepts behind the things he bathers about. From now on, you're on my "hide" list because I can't even stand any more to have to scroll over your bs.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    You certainly have a gift for explaining complex technical subjects in a manner that can be easily understood by laypersons such as myself.

    I just caught this which I found interesting, especially if they turn out to be the newer and smarter ones that Trump bragged about, if true it makes the episode an even bigger blunder.
    http://theduran.com/oops-two-unexploded-cruise-missiles-delivered-to-russia-from-syria/
    , @Thirdeye

    …since gyroscopes work on the principle of inertia as per Newton’s First Law of Motion…
     
    Wrong. Gyroscopes work from conservation of angular momentum. Angular momentum is sensitive to changes in the orientation of the gyroscope, not movement of the gyroscope that does not change its orientation. It is not a positioning device.
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  • @FB
    I don't think Tampon Phil will be much affected by facts of any kind...you might as well be talking to a she-donkey in estrus...

    Maybe you missed my exchange with Tampon Phil on the other thread where I provided a technical look at the bombed Barzeh complex near Damascus...

    Follow that exchange with Tampon Phil and you will learn much about the human mind's staggering potential for delusion...ie Tampon Phil is your archetypal koolaid addict...even when hard facts stare him in the face he chooses fantasy over simple reality...

    A most illuminating insight into the recesses of the broken mind...

    You also may have missed Tampon Phil's posting of his CV on that same thread...where he tells fascinating stories of peddling Indian palm oil in Russia...without much success apparently...

    He claims he is an engineer...and went to Russia to 'turn swords into plowshares' but ended up selling palm oil instead...

    Draw your own conclusions...

    Snake oil more like It!

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  • @Realist
    You forgot to mention Chumps appointment of Neil Gorsuch to the SC.....who just voted in favor of illegal aliens.

    That’s not really an accurate statement, to say that he’s siding with illegal aliens.

    Trump should’ve dropped the case altogether. Having an ambiguous and unclear definition of “violent” will just clog up the court system.

    Explicitly name the crimes worthy of deportation and go again. I support Mr. Gorsuch’s decision, and he is still on thin ice for me until he proves himself though. Far too many Republican swamp traitors.

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    That’s not really an accurate statement, to say that he’s siding with illegal aliens.
     
    The other 4 'conservative ' judges voted against Gorsuch.

    Explicitly name the crimes worthy of deportation and go again.
     
    Easy, being an illegal alien.
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  • @annamaria
    We have got it: Philip Owen believes religiously in the words of Theresa May, Boris Johnson, and Gavin Willaimson. And, of course, Blair is a paragon of honesty for Philip Owen.
    What are you doing here, on the Unz Review? -- This is not a ziocon stink-tank source of (dis)information, and this is not the ziocons-controlled MSM's presstitutes' haven.
    You make yourself ridiculous by parroting the MSM "wisdom." Your frustration over the impending defeat of "moderate" terrorists in Syria affects your reason and amplifies your rabid hatred of Russia. Don't expect any sympathy for your "victimhood" on this site.
    This is the reality: "Salisbury Nerve Agent Attack Reveals $70 Million Pentagon Program at Porton Down," by Dilyana Gaytandzhieva - https://southfront.org/salisbury-nerve-agent-attack-reveals-70-million-pentagon-program-porton/
    "Porton Down is just one of the Pentagon-funded military laboratories in 25 countries across the world, where the US Army produces and tests man-made viruses, bacteria and toxins in direct violation of the UN convention. These US bio-laboratories are funded by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) under a $ 2.1 billion military program– Cooperative Biological Engagement Program (CBEP), and are located in former Soviet Union countries such as Georgia and Ukraine, the Middle East, South East Asia and Africa.
    The Pentagon-funded military facilities are not under the direct control of the host state as the US military and civilian personnel is working under diplomatic cover. The local governments are prohibited from public disclosure of sensitive information about the foreign military program running on their own territory."
    -- All statements in this article are sourced, unlike the pronouncement of the miserable puppets Blair, May, Johnson, and Willaimson.

    I don’t think Tampon Phil will be much affected by facts of any kind…you might as well be talking to a she-donkey in estrus…

    Maybe you missed my exchange with Tampon Phil on the other thread where I provided a technical look at the bombed Barzeh complex near Damascus…

    Follow that exchange with Tampon Phil and you will learn much about the human mind’s staggering potential for delusion…ie Tampon Phil is your archetypal koolaid addict…even when hard facts stare him in the face he chooses fantasy over simple reality…

    A most illuminating insight into the recesses of the broken mind…

    You also may have missed Tampon Phil’s posting of his CV on that same thread…where he tells fascinating stories of peddling Indian palm oil in Russia…without much success apparently…

    He claims he is an engineer…and went to Russia to ‘turn swords into plowshares’ but ended up selling palm oil instead…

    Draw your own conclusions…

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    Snake oil more like It!
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  • @reiner Tor
    I'd find it scary if it turned out that Dunford had to defy orders to avoid WW3. It'd confirm that Trump was actually insane.

    Great comment

    The last years, a lot of progress is made in the understanding of the political reality of the world. We can agree that propaganda is intensively used as a means to suppress the masses: feminism, multiculturalism, leftism in general. The question now is: how much does the elite lie to establish their system? How far do the lies go?

    Feminism and multiculturalism are only the tips of the iceberg. The rabbit hole is much deeper than that. The matrix is much broader.

    In this brand new free 300 page document, the history, the tactics and the lies of the elites are revealed. Including the most important lie, the one that was not discovered until now.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/io5wtw1o8y7xgu7/TheTruthNatureOfPresentDaySociety.pdf?dl=0

    The intro video can be watched here:

    archive.org/details/presentdaysociety

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  • Did the Pentagon collaborate with Moscow on which targets to hit?

    No.
    It was the abject failure of the USA and its weapons.
    Why would the Russians collaborate on the wholesale destruction of Syrian airbases and the intent to wipe out of much of the Syrian aerial defenses.
    Makes no sense.
    Trying to cover up the fact that Syria shot down 71 US missiles even with some so called antiquated weapons.
    Come on Russia – time for Syria to receive the s300 – and fast.
    Next time it needs to the shooting down of the lot.

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  • @gda
    So he's brought NATO to the table regarding funding, is about to solve the greatest crisis/threat to the world by bringing NK to the table re; Denuclearization, and has plans to solve the ME situation (which you clearly know nothing about) using the GCC.

    Yet he's a feckless, nutless POS.

    You seem to be somewhat lacking in judgement. Beyond redemption with your TDS. A crazed loon.

    Did you miss the first part of the IG's report? Do you realize what's to come? Nah, it's all Russia, Russia, Russia nonsense with your ilk.

    Keep it up - you keep us amused with your ignorant thrashing about.

    You forgot to mention Chumps appointment of Neil Gorsuch to the SC…..who just voted in favor of illegal aliens.

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    That's not really an accurate statement, to say that he's siding with illegal aliens.

    Trump should've dropped the case altogether. Having an ambiguous and unclear definition of "violent" will just clog up the court system.

    Explicitly name the crimes worthy of deportation and go again. I support Mr. Gorsuch's decision, and he is still on thin ice for me until he proves himself though. Far too many Republican swamp traitors.
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  • This odd stance I see people taking…of trump the major force behind possible Korean peace. With zero evidence. Threaten to destroy and insult their leader and people assume this tactic worked great?

    Nonsense.

    Sort out the middle East? By hiring Nikki Haley, pompeo, Bolton?

    Nonsense.

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  • @NoseytheDuke
    And only for a cost of around $150 million of US taxpayers hard earned dollars, that is if you don't include the cost of the PR companies involved in putting together the White Helmets and their film crews. I seem to recall reading about a half billion dollar plus contract going to a British PR firm with the special capabilities required for these sorts of things. MAGA indeed!

    One must do something.
    The Boston pressure cooker terrorist act comes to mind, where a Vietnam veteran was hired as actor.
    But any doctor and nurse knew that someone with both legs blown off will die in a few minutes when transported in a wheel chair.
    Sept 11, same stupid mistakes, the towers collapsed more quickly than Newton’s laws allowed, the 47 story building was blown up at the lowest level.
    But Hollywood learns, the movie about the hijacking of the Pennsylvania plane did not use mobile phones, but the in flight phones.
    As MH370 proved again, one cannot used mobile phones from a plane flying with some 600 MPH.

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  • @Paul Jolliffe
    "Harvey" Oswald didn't shoot anyone - his denial was perfectly plausible, and his murder at Ruby's hands was a desperate stopgap measure to shut him up before he started naming his handlers who had framed him. Badly.

    They never planned to let "Harvey" survive to see an actual trial, because of the lack of evidence against him, and therefore the evidence of a high-level conspiracy would then be so obvious.

    No trial, no test of the evidence against him.

    "Harvey" was exactly what he claimed to be - he was the patsy.

    Why Ruby shot him I still do not know.
    He was, in my opinion, not a hired murderer, then he also would have killed.
    But USA police methods continue to surprise me, in the Netherlands suspects as Oswald are not walked through corridors where anyone can shoot stem.
    They are transported in bullet proof cars, into a court room, where nobody can enter with even a pocket knife.

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    Ruby shot "Harvey" as a desperate, improvised back-up plan by the conspirators to keep "Harvey" from naming names. ("Harvey" was to be killed almost immediately after JFK, but managed to stay alive for 48 hours.)

    Ruby had to be strong-armed into it, and he fully expected to be let off easy ("you all know me, I'm Jack Ruby" he exclaimed in astonishment as the Dallas cops dragged him off of "Oswald".)

    His original guilty verdict was overturned in late 1966, and had Ruby not died of "cancer" in early 1967, he would have received a new trial, at which he might have had some very interesting things to say.

    But he didn't live to see it.

    Nonetheless, here is what Jack Ruby said about his own role in a very high-ranking conspiracy: (this clip is real, but suppressed by the mainstream media)

    https://youtu.be/U77Rj46ncY8
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  • @FB
    Thanks for the Tass article link...

    Yes...there is no question that the US would have targeted Syrian airfields...apparently a few did get through at one airfield...but the others were fully rejected...

    Laymen who know nothing about aircraft or missiles do not understand the complexities and detail involved...they simply accept the brochure 'information' presented on wikipedia and such about the capabilities of such flight vehicles...

    This does not shed any light on a fascinating and important subject...important because now we have had some air combat between US and Nato airpower [Ship, sub and air launched cruise missiles vs. Russian air defenses]...

    Clearly the Russians won...there was not a single death on the Syrian side...the US did destroy a few buildings...most notably the Barzeh research center in the Damascus area...

    We can tell the Russians won this round because the US is claiming completely ridiculous stuff...that they launched 76 T-hawks with a combined TNT tonnage of nearly 40 tons...yet little pine shrubs standing 20 feet away are completely intact...

    I mean how stupid...?

    Clearly the US is claiming such a high number of attacks on the three buildings that they did hit because they failed to hit those airfields...and we know that they failed to hit those airfields because if they did we would have satellite imagery being boastfully released...

    You can tell as much by the information that is withheld as you can by the information they give out...

    Now for some basic technical facts...cruise missiles are not hard to shoot down once they are spotted...but the hard part is spotting them because they are small and thus do not bounce back strong radar reflections...

    They can fly close to terrain...although this is not always the case as I have explained previously and depends on the ingress route and the type of terrain along that flight path...ie if it is required to fly over mountainous terrain it must fly quite high...

    In 1999 the Serbs shot down a number T-hawks with their 1950s era Soviet equipment...here is the remains of one T-hawk airframe in the Belgrade Aviation Museum...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/y3a1od5u5/Downed_Tomahawk_cruise_missile_in_Belgrade_Serbia.jpg

    Once spotted on radar...the T-hawks and similar subsonic cruise missiles are sitting ducks...they have no means of evading missile shots...either from an air to air missile launched from a fighter jet...or a surface to air missile launched from an air defense battery...

    A fighter jet relies on a radar warning receiver to alert the crew that it has been targeted by a missile shot and the crew can instantly commence evasive maneuver...which is basically going into a steep banked turn so as to break radar lock and evade the missile shot...

    Cruise missiles have no such RWR...and it would be pointless to equipment with such since they have very poor turning performance...

    This is due to their very high wing loading...which is the ratio of wing area to aircraft weight...a T-hawk weighs about 3,000 lb but has a wing area of only about 10 square feet for a wing loading of 300 lb/ft^2...

    That is about three times as high as a passenger jet's wing loading and as much as five times higher than a fighter jet...

    Think of wing loading and how it relates to maneuverability by considering a person carrying a backpack...if that person is running and they need to change course having that extra weight on their back will not let them zigzag like a runner carrying no weight...

    The same is true for climb performance...think of carrying 100 lb in your backpack and climbing up a set of stairs...

    The physical laws of flight performance are based on Newtonian Mechanics and cannot be argued with...

    The thrust to weight ratio of a cruise missile is about comparable to that of a passenger jet...the thrust of the T-hawks Williams turbofan engine is about 700 lb against a weight of 3,000 lb that is less than 0.25 thrust to weight...

    A powerful fighter like an F15 will have a thrust to weight ratio of close to unity or even above...ie it's engine thrust is actually equal to or greater than its weight and the airplane can thus climb straight up like a rocket...

    So the key in defending against subsonic cruise missiles...which fly at about the same speed as passenger jet, about 500 mph [800 km/hr]...is to pick them up on radar...

    The Russians have clearly prepared for such an attack ever since the Shayrat strike...the very powerful Russian radars in Syria are capable of tracking any flying object...and the Syrian SAM batteries are networked into that system and are fed that radar data in real time...

    We also saw in some of those missile intercept videos near the Damascus airport that Syrian jets were taking off and landing...this is because the jets would use their onboard radar to find the cruise missiles and data link that info back to the SAM batteries...

    A fighter is easily capable of taking down a cruise missile with an AA shot also...but this all comes down to pilot skill and training...something which the SyAAF may not be dealing with on a regular basis...considering their focus on the fight against ground targets in Jihadist areas...

    As for the Pantsir...yes this point defense system is the perfect tool to shoot down cruise missiles...it is the successor of the Tor SAM system that was designed specifically to shoot down T-hawks...

    The older SAMs did not perform badly according to the Russian MoD assessment...the S125 is a 1950s era system that the Serbs used to down two F117s and an F16...much more difficult targets than a T-hawk...

    The S200 is a huge missile with a 350 km range...exceeded only by the latest S400 long range missile introduced into service only a couple of years ago...

    It flies extremely fast 2,500 m/s which is about Mach 8...it is even faster than the new S400 missiles which fly at 2,000 m/s...by comparison the USN Raytheon SM6 air defense missile used on Aegis missile ships flies only at M3.5...about 1,000 m/s...

    The high speed of the S200 is actually its disadvantage against a slow moving target like a cruise missile...the laws of physics tell us that the faster the vehicle is flying, the larger its turn radius will be...thus the big S200 is not going to do well against cruise missiles...this is not surprising...

    Overall...the Russian MoD version of events is certainly way more credible than the US version which is full of holes...

    Missiles that fly close to the terrain can evade radars by flying low over flats or between slopes where there is relief but they have to rely on satellites for positioning. Jam the communication and the missile no longer knows where it is. I wonder how much debris there is now in the mountains north of Damascus.

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    Everything you said is completely wrong...

    What makes you think that as a layman who knows nothing about aeronautics that you can make statements intended to sound factual...?

    First have a look at my discussion of how a cruise missile works...

    Now about the 'satellites'...that is GPS for the T-hawk and other Nato knockoffs...

    This is NOT the primary guidance [navigation] system of a cruise missile...and it works perfectly well and will get to its target even if the GPS radio signal is jammed...or even if all GPS sats are shot down...

    The primary guidance system is an inertial nav system which is self contained and uses no radio signals like GPS [which can be jammed easily]...

    Inertial nav systems are also the primary navigation system in passenger jets, ICBMs and just about any other missile...

    They work on gyroscopic principles...hence the term 'inertial'...since gyroscopes work on the principle of inertia as per Newton's First Law of Motion...

    Early mechanical systems were based on spinning gyro wheels and they work on the principle that the gyroscope senses any acceleration of the aircraft whether up, down, left, right etc...here is a diagram showing the three axes of a flight vehicle...and the six possible movements about those axes...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/y5glpjh71/Flight_dynamics_with_text.png


    Knowing the exact geographic coordinates from where you started the flight...the inertial system can thus calculate your position at any time during the flight based on the accelerations of the vehicle that have occurred since moment one...


    '...An INS can detect a change in its geographic position (a move east or north, for example), a change in its velocity (speed and direction of movement) and a change in its orientation (rotation about an axis). It does this by measuring the linear acceleration and angular velocity applied to the system.

    Since it requires no external reference (after initialization), it is immune to jamming and deception...'
     

    Newer inertial nav systems use gyros employing laser or fiber optics or even more esoteric devices...but they are completely self-contained...just like the earlier mechanical gyros...and cannot be interfered with in any way from outside...

    A computer is used to do the math...namely two integrations [calculus] which are required to take the gyro sensor inputs and convert them to a position fix...


    '...acceleration measurements into an inertial reference frame (hence the term inertial navigation) where they are integrated once to get linear velocity, and twice to get linear position...'
     
    This computer can even be mechanical...but is nowadays a digital electronic computer...

    So your 'factual' statement is actually complete bullshit...

    Here is a picture of a gyro based nav system from the 1950s...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/z7qs7x7od/Project_SPIRE_Inertial_Navigation_Control_2.jpg


    Here is an inertial unit from a modern spacecraft...


    https://s20.postimg.cc/xtz5cg0nh/IMU-28_inertial_measurement_unit.jpg


    Notice the three laser gyros and their orientation relative to one another...so that they may measure accelerations about the flight vehicles three respective axes as illustrated above...

    As for your bullshit about terrain following...I don't have time to get into right now...but which is explained on the other thread I linked to...

    When will complete know-nothings get it in their head that looking at the brochure info in wikipedia does not qualify them to make factual-sounding statements...?

    Please do not wast my time by addressing me with amateur bullshit...if you have a question...as you obviously do...then ask...do not state pseudo facts and require me to expend a lot of useless effort on moronic bullshit...

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  • Stepping back from the details to see overall goals, this makes a little sense, but not a whole lot of sense.

    First and foremost, we started this war. There was some sort of coup against Assad in 2013, and Assad was in the process of putting it down and restoring stability. We jumped in and armed the rebels because our goal is chaos. Destruction and death are our main exports.

    Putin finally stepped in on Assad’s side because Russia’s overall goal is stability and order. In other words, deconflicting.

    We go along with the deconflicting because it allows us to report “deliverables” to our bosses in Riyadh and Tel Aviv. If we didn’t go along with the deconflicting, we’d be kicked out entirely.

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  • @Andrew E. Mathis
    [Changing your handle to create a sockpuppet and hide your identity is forbidden here. If you do this again, all your future comments may be summarily trashed.]

    Your source is Lavrov unless you want to start accepting hearsay as evidence. Do you?

    And:
    “The poisoning of Skripal ended with the old spy in good health; with Boris Johnson being caught lying; with [the chemical weapons control body] OPCW refusing to connect Skripal’s poison to Moscow; and with Brits keeping Miss Skripal incommunicado under duress, away from her fiancé and the rest of her family, a clear sign of a collapsing story.”

    http://www.unz.com/ishamir/first-joust/

    Too easy.

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    You think Israel Shamir is a reliable source?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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  • @Andrew E. Mathis
    [Changing your handle to create a sockpuppet and hide your identity is forbidden here. If you do this again, all your future comments may be summarily trashed.]

    Your source is Lavrov unless you want to start accepting hearsay as evidence. Do you?

    Hasbarist, the source is the Swiss lab, read what I posted … and you can’t prove me wrong.

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    Here's the opening line:

    "The substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, according to Swiss state Spiez lab, the Russian foreign minister said."

    That's hearsay, whether you like it or not. If you can find somewhere in that article where a single, solitary person from Spiez is quoted directly, post it now.
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  • @WorkingClass
    "What Trump is saying is that his real enemy is Mueller not Putin."

    What the failure to withdraw from Syria is saying is that Mueller is Commander In Chief.

    Or perhaps we should judge Trump by the company he keeps. Bolton in Washington and Israel/Saudi Arabia in the MENA. The scum of the earth.

    I am a card carrying deplorable. I prefer Trump to Mueller. But I can no longer defend Trump. He is a Zionist first and an American second.

    Indeed, but the alternative was Hillary.

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  • @m.a. kaiser
    A fake response to a fake gas attack with fake WMDs. Trust a reality show star to do this one right, LOL. All theatrics, nothing concrete in the whole situation. Just a lot of American fireworks.

    And only for a cost of around $150 million of US taxpayers hard earned dollars, that is if you don’t include the cost of the PR companies involved in putting together the White Helmets and their film crews. I seem to recall reading about a half billion dollar plus contract going to a British PR firm with the special capabilities required for these sorts of things. MAGA indeed!

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    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    One must do something.
    The Boston pressure cooker terrorist act comes to mind, where a Vietnam veteran was hired as actor.
    But any doctor and nurse knew that someone with both legs blown off will die in a few minutes when transported in a wheel chair.
    Sept 11, same stupid mistakes, the towers collapsed more quickly than Newton's laws allowed, the 47 story building was blown up at the lowest level.
    But Hollywood learns, the movie about the hijacking of the Pennsylvania plane did not use mobile phones, but the in flight phones.
    As MH370 proved again, one cannot used mobile phones from a plane flying with some 600 MPH.
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  • @anon
    The Zioncons have got Trump by the balls through their pitbull Robert Mueller and poodle Rod Rosenstein. I despise Alan Dershowitz as he is a major Zionist but I agree with him when he said Jeff Sessions needs to unrecuse himself, fire Mueller and Rosenstein. Trump's hands are tied. If he fires any of these 3 clowns, both the DNC and GOP will immediately try to impeach him. It's time for Jeff Sessions to grow a pair, unrecuse himself, fire the pitbull and the poodle, and start immediate investigation into Mueller, Rosenstein and their collusion with Clinton on Uranium One.

    I was one of Jeff Sessions' biggest supporters, complained loudly when Trump wanted to fire him. Now I wish I hadn't. Trump was right and should've fired him. He's easily the weakest, most worthless AG. The biggest case is swirling around him threatening to kill off everything that Trump wanted to do, and he's doing absolutely nothing to help the man who hired him.

    Sessions was a real tiger in the Senate, when it came to immigration. Now, he seems to be more like a paper tiger.

    I wonder what dirt the deep state has on him? Supposedly he was very clean beforehand.

    A man with a name like Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III should be doing better than him.

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  • @anon

    Why are many commenters so excited? Everything is appropriate: fake missile strike in response to fake chemical weapons use.

     

    That's a good way to put it. Just wish Trump had exercised more restraint in his tweet, he should not have called Assad a "monster". The real monsters are right here in the US, the Israel Lobby and the Deep State led by Rod Rosenstein the fucking weasel, and the biggest monster of them all is right there in the White House with him, Mike Pence, the one who hired Rosenstein, Nikki Haley, Mike Pompeo, John Bolton. Pence the Ziocon has been working hard to subvert Trump since Day 1. He wants to be president.

    Trump is a typical business tycoon: a clueless moron. Pence is just a weasel. Weasels are carnivores, but small ones: sometimes they eat, sometimes they get eaten. I hope Pence gets eaten.

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  • anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Why are many commenters so excited? Everything is appropriate: fake missile strike in response to fake chemical weapons use.

    Why are many commenters so excited? Everything is appropriate: fake missile strike in response to fake chemical weapons use.

    That’s a good way to put it. Just wish Trump had exercised more restraint in his tweet, he should not have called Assad a “monster”. The real monsters are right here in the US, the Israel Lobby and the Deep State led by Rod Rosenstein the fucking weasel, and the biggest monster of them all is right there in the White House with him, Mike Pence, the one who hired Rosenstein, Nikki Haley, Mike Pompeo, John Bolton. Pence the Ziocon has been working hard to subvert Trump since Day 1. He wants to be president.

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    Trump is a typical business tycoon: a clueless moron. Pence is just a weasel. Weasels are carnivores, but small ones: sometimes they eat, sometimes they get eaten. I hope Pence gets eaten.
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  • @Philip Owen
    Your source is Lavrov who constantly lies. His team is the source of a large proportion of Russian fake news. 2000 dead in Tsinkhvali as a starter. Try some other sources on BZ.

    We have got it: Philip Owen believes religiously in the words of Theresa May, Boris Johnson, and Gavin Willaimson. And, of course, Blair is a paragon of honesty for Philip Owen.
    What are you doing here, on the Unz Review? — This is not a ziocon stink-tank source of (dis)information, and this is not the ziocons-controlled MSM’s presstitutes’ haven.
    You make yourself ridiculous by parroting the MSM “wisdom.” Your frustration over the impending defeat of “moderate” terrorists in Syria affects your reason and amplifies your rabid hatred of Russia. Don’t expect any sympathy for your “victimhood” on this site.
    This is the reality: “Salisbury Nerve Agent Attack Reveals $70 Million Pentagon Program at Porton Down,” by Dilyana Gaytandzhieva – https://southfront.org/salisbury-nerve-agent-attack-reveals-70-million-pentagon-program-porton/
    “Porton Down is just one of the Pentagon-funded military laboratories in 25 countries across the world, where the US Army produces and tests man-made viruses, bacteria and toxins in direct violation of the UN convention. These US bio-laboratories are funded by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) under a $ 2.1 billion military program– Cooperative Biological Engagement Program (CBEP), and are located in former Soviet Union countries such as Georgia and Ukraine, the Middle East, South East Asia and Africa.
    The Pentagon-funded military facilities are not under the direct control of the host state as the US military and civilian personnel is working under diplomatic cover. The local governments are prohibited from public disclosure of sensitive information about the foreign military program running on their own territory.”
    – All statements in this article are sourced, unlike the pronouncement of the miserable puppets Blair, May, Johnson, and Willaimson.

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    • Replies: @FB
    I don't think Tampon Phil will be much affected by facts of any kind...you might as well be talking to a she-donkey in estrus...

    Maybe you missed my exchange with Tampon Phil on the other thread where I provided a technical look at the bombed Barzeh complex near Damascus...

    Follow that exchange with Tampon Phil and you will learn much about the human mind's staggering potential for delusion...ie Tampon Phil is your archetypal koolaid addict...even when hard facts stare him in the face he chooses fantasy over simple reality...

    A most illuminating insight into the recesses of the broken mind...

    You also may have missed Tampon Phil's posting of his CV on that same thread...where he tells fascinating stories of peddling Indian palm oil in Russia...without much success apparently...

    He claims he is an engineer...and went to Russia to 'turn swords into plowshares' but ended up selling palm oil instead...

    Draw your own conclusions...

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  • anon[119] • Disclaimer says:

    The Zioncons have got Trump by the balls through their pitbull Robert Mueller and poodle Rod Rosenstein. I despise Alan Dershowitz as he is a major Zionist but I agree with him when he said Jeff Sessions needs to unrecuse himself, fire Mueller and Rosenstein. Trump’s hands are tied. If he fires any of these 3 clowns, both the DNC and GOP will immediately try to impeach him. It’s time for Jeff Sessions to grow a pair, unrecuse himself, fire the pitbull and the poodle, and start immediate investigation into Mueller, Rosenstein and their collusion with Clinton on Uranium One.

    I was one of Jeff Sessions’ biggest supporters, complained loudly when Trump wanted to fire him. Now I wish I hadn’t. Trump was right and should’ve fired him. He’s easily the weakest, most worthless AG. The biggest case is swirling around him threatening to kill off everything that Trump wanted to do, and he’s doing absolutely nothing to help the man who hired him.

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    Sessions was a real tiger in the Senate, when it came to immigration. Now, he seems to be more like a paper tiger.

    I wonder what dirt the deep state has on him? Supposedly he was very clean beforehand.

    A man with a name like Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III should be doing better than him.
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  • KA says:

    Iran doesn’t want to escalate the situation and give Trump any leverage on Iran deal. Iran wants to deprive any moral political or legal supports from EU to USA on this.
    Trump pulls out . Rest remains same . This will give Iran moral political and legal authorities to pursue its nuclear program with China and Russia . This will have domino effects on other areas of these 3 countries – how to conduct business internationally.

    So a choreographed coordinated attack works for Iran . Trump is happy. His base angry. His enemies can’t go after him for few hours or days .

    Mad madam prostitute Nick Halley has to be soothed by Kudlow telling her she was not a demented rat.

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  • @AnonFromTN
    Why are many commenters so excited? Everything is appropriate: fake missile strike in response to fake chemical weapons use.

    Well said.

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  • anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @S. N.
    The Corrupt U.S. Congress Cheers as the War Industry Steals Billions from the People’s Coffers!

    Christian Sorensen | April 13, 2018


    ''Missile Production Capacity

    In February, Newsbud reported on the war industry increasing its capacity to produce Hellfire missiles.

    Capacity to produce other missile types is expanding as well.

    On 6 March 2018, BAE Systems received close to $13.7 million to help increase production capacity of the Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System (APKWS). With its headquarters in London, BAE Systems links the U.K. war industry to the United States, effectively underpinning the ‘special relationship’ between the two countries.

    On 19 March 2018, Raytheon received roughly $7.8 million to improve the production capacity of AIM-9X Sidewinder missiles. Steps Raytheon might take to increase missile production include adding more equipment, altering staffing levels, and upgrading its facilities.

    The war industry has been operating at full steam for the past seventeen years. Now, these contracts tell us, the boardrooms of prominent war industry giants believe there is reason to produce more Hellfire, APKWS, and Sidewinder missiles. Is it war with Iran? A bigger offensive against President Assad’s forces in Syria? Conflict in Korea?

    The U.S. war industry is expecting more sustained, high-tempo hostilities in the near future. You’ve been warned.''


    https://www.newsbud.com/2018/04/13/the-corrupt-u-s-congress-cheers-as-the-war-industry-steals-billions-from-the-peoples-coffers/

    UK PM’s husband’s Capital Group is largest shareholder in BAE, shares soar since Syrian airstrikes

    https://www.rt.com/uk/424392-may-husbands-capital-group/

    “Philip May, husband of the UK prime minister, works for a company that is the largest shareholder in arms manufacturer, BAE Systems, whose share price has soared since the recent airstrikes in Syria.
    The company, Capital Group, is also the second-largest shareholder in Lockheed Martin – a US military arms firm that supplies weapons systems, aircraft and logistical support. Its shares have also rocketed since the missile strikes last week. . . .”

    h/t http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/04/real-reporting-on-syria-by-publius-tacitus.html

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