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    Think of it as the most momentous military planning on Earth right now. Who’s even paying attention, given the eternal changing of the guard at the White House, as well as the latest in tweets, sexual revelations, and investigations of every sort? And yet it increasingly looks as if, thanks to current Pentagon planning, a...
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    Has Arab learnt the American made thuggery and treachery enough that it doesn’t repeat the mistake of 40s to 80s?

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  • Unsurprisingly enough, this shift will require not only greater spending on costly, high-tech military hardware but also a redrawing of the global strategic map to favor the regular military.

    They are going to savage the economy and bankrupt us with their nuclear wish lists and unrestrained military budgets. There won’t be an America left to defend when they’re through.

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  • The new U.S. energy policy of the Trump era is, in some ways, the oldest energy policy on Earth. Every great power has sought to mobilize the energy resources at its command, whether those be slaves, wind-power, coal, or oil, to further its hegemonic ambitions. What makes the Trumpian variant -- the unfettered exploitation of...
  • We are in a situation where oil as an energy source is disappearing. Our suburban lifestyle is dependent on 30 to 1: we need to get 30 barrels of oil from each “barrel” of energy put in to discover, drill, bring to surface,ship to refineries, refine and deliver to market. Fracking might be 5 to 1 and tar sands may have less than3 to 1. Please read ourfiniteworld.com. Solar and wind used locally are fine but not connected to the grid. I’m a scientist and physics and thermodynamics don’t change with any belief or politician.

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  • Deployed to the Houston area to assist in Hurricane Harvey relief efforts, U.S. military forces hadn’t even completed their assignments when they were hurriedly dispatched to Florida, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands to face Irma, the fiercest hurricane ever recorded in the Atlantic Ocean. Florida Governor Rick Scott, who had sent members of...
  • Meanwhile, members of the California National Guard were being mobilized to fight wildfires raging across that state (as across much of the West) during its hottest summer on record.

    The wildfires in the West are a sad case of forest mismanagement. Too many years of compulsively extinguishing every little flame has resulted in a buildup of dead snags and other combustible forest fuels. Kaboom.

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  • That Donald Trump is a grand disruptor when it comes to international affairs is now a commonplace observation in the establishment media. By snubbing NATO and withdrawing from the Paris climate agreement, we’ve been told, President Trump is dismantling the liberal world order created by Franklin D. Roosevelt at the end of World War II....
  • […] as Wars For Oil, which is why I hardly ever cite his flawed work, and how does this jibe with the carbonite thesis? – it’s complicated, as clearly seen in the conflicting policy moves vis-à-vis […]

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  • Not since World War II have more human beings been at risk from disease and starvation than at this very moment. On March 10th, Stephen O’Brien, under secretary-general of the United Nations for humanitarian affairs, informed the Security Council that 20 million people in three African countries -- Nigeria, Somalia, and South Sudan -- as...
  • KA says:

    Something happened in Alaska, a few cities had to get ice transported from far north for dog sledge racing

    Nunavut has been reporting the sinking and tilting of the electric poles and the walls of the homes – permanent frost is melting

    Flowers have been blooming earlier tricking the birds . Birds get tricked and th effects are felt on pollen, insects , etc

    More than the climate direct effect’s , it’s th effects of the deforestation and strip mining that are hurting Africa India and Indonesia
    Africa is also the ground where weapons are tested on common people Now it is Middle East .
    Radioactivity in ME is as enduring in effects as are chemical agents in Vietnam

    Denying climate change is more universally and widely dangerous than the effects of wars,nukes,and chemical agents

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  • Well global warming isn’t going to happen, no matter how wet you make your undies. On the other hand, we are quite due for a downward turn in temperatures, like the Little Ice Age. If you think warming is a problem, wait until you get a look at cooling.

    As for Africa, the best thing that could happen there is a population decrease of about 90%. Really, in any honest assessment, the entire population of Ethiopia isn’t worth a single rhinoceros.

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  • Well, if it is true that climate change is human induced, then the greatest danger facing the planet is ultimately runaway population growth in Africa. Continuous famine relief merely serves as fuel to the juggernaut and will continue to do so unless population control becomes the focus of efforts.

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  • Global warming will probably raise the global primary production, since there is relatively far more land in the Far North; besides, even in the equatorial regions, greater precipitation will more than cancel out the negative effects from greater heat up to the first two or three degrees.

    Historically, it was droughts that were the main killer, not coolings or warmings. A warmer world generally means more precipitation. That said, the transition will of course be rocky, and some locales will suffer.

    There’s an outside chance that warming will be considerably greater than the 6 degrees max the IPCC projects for the end of this century. This might be possible if, for example, we are underestimating the global dimming effect, and thus undercounting “true” warming and, therefore, climate sensitivity. In this case, we might get sci-fi scenarios like the rise of polar civilizations.

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Europe and North America will also feel the devastating effects of runaway climate change — only with a time lag perhaps, and more resources (initially) to fend off the inevitable. Cities like New York City and Miami will mostly be underwater and the Midwest will be one huge dust plain.

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  • What it will be like is if the thing turn out as this says,, is Russia is going to be the most powerful country on Earth and the only one worth living in in the foreseeable future. Maybe Exon and the Ohio farmers will move there.

    But we already bear total moral responsibility for anyone starving , as Peter Singer says. He can’t understand why anyone would prefer to buy their daughter a nice birthday party rather that spend the money to save a child’s life in the Third World. Its a moral question that can be turned on those like Mr Klare, because he still, I dare say, spends money on a few little luxuries that he could do without (and would if saving life was a moral imperative). But he doesn’t.

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  • If you are an American male of a certain age -- Donald Trump’s age, to be exact -- you are likely to have vivid memories of Victory at Sea, the Emmy award-winning NBC documentary series about the U.S. Navy in World War II that aired from October 1952 to May 1953. One of the first...
  • The reality is that in any war with Iran, Russia or China, the US would be be defeated decisively, and our current world hegemony would end.

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  • Didn’t Reagan already “rebuild” America’s navy? Or did I dream the “600-ship navy”? And the refurbishment of WW2 battleships – used once IIRC to bombard Lebanon. Now slowly rotting away in their coccoons along the James River, hardly ever having been used. Many already having been broken up. It’s not like we have the money to pay for this, or anything.

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  • If there’s a single consistent aspect to Donald Trump’s strategic vision, it’s this: U.S. foreign policy should always be governed by the simple principle of “America First,” with this country’s vital interests placed above those of all others. “We will always put America’s interests first,” he declared in his victory speech in the early hours...
  • These major conclusions are, to me, alas poor us in spades. But then, we will soon no longer be deluded by glowing images of the White Maned Hegemon prancing about the globe giving ‘or else’ orders to all and sundry. How ’bout them metaphors!

    What we will be doing, perhaps as soon as this fateful year, is learning to be humbly content to live in a big beautiful country, the former envy of the world. To see that it provides enough for us all, which it is perfectly capable of doing once again. We will learn to live with our suddenly detested by all greenbacks which still will be useful here at home if nowhere else.

    We will have learned that eating crow is not half bad if sauteed with a little hubris sauce and gently roasted over a slow burn.

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  • Tom Dispatch and it’s writers have really lost it. It makes one wonder if much of their support came from donations from the Clinton Foundation. Every article by this group since Clinton lost the election has used any available means, and any twisting of the facts, or exaggeration of the facts to criticize anything to do with Donald Trump.

    This article boils down to a. Trump is opposed to the TransPacific Partnership, so he must secretly love China. B. Trump is opposed to World War III with Russia, so he must secretly love Russia.

    Articles from this group are becoming cartoonish, pathetic, and sad.

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  • Typical Imperialist Bull Shit! “America” must rule the world by force of arms. The United States is not America. It is one of three large countries in North America. And the United States is not Imperial Washington and the Emperor’s Court. It is the land and the people who live on it and their history and culture. Who wants to be ruled by Imperial Washington? Raise your hand!

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  • normally Michael Klare writes commentary showing thought that are worth reading. This was a waste of time, parroting the Borg.

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  • Well, here we have the Borg yammering about its losses under Trump. Imagine the shoe on the other foot: Russia being concerned about the wall because it is damaging its ally, Mexico. Europe meanwhile is suffering from Syrian and other migrants, who wouldn’t be there if the US and the EU hadn’t blundered about Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria. The PTT wasn’t about trade – it was about forcing countries to accept the dictates of multinational corporations by making it illegal for a country’s law to reduce their profits even though a country might want to enforce environmental and labour standards.

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  • Within months of taking office, President Donald Trump is likely to face one or more major international crises, possibly entailing a risk of nuclear escalation. Not since the end of the Cold War has a new chief executive been confronted with as many potential flashpoints involving such a risk of explosive conflict. This proliferation of...
  • “Following Russia’s intervention in eastern Ukraine, which demonstrated both Moscow’s willingness and ability to engage in hybrid warfare against a neighboring European state”

    That there is an astounding amount of spin to put on the mess created by a political coup in which Neo-nazis among others organized and paid for by the US State Department (5 billion according to Victoria Nuland) violently overthrew Ukraine’s democratically elected government.

    There are many more pejorative statements in this piece that suggesta hidden agenda of political spin/propaganda disguised as journalism

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  • Keep the population frightened and sketchily (mis?) informed to increase their dependence on their governors?

    The North Koreans do seem to be a conundrum. Does anyone actually know what goes on there, or what their intentions and capabilities are?

    The South China Sea is about fishing rights and responsibilities. Do the Chinese intend to fish it out? Probably. Will the US go to war to stop this? No. Will the Phillipines and the Japanese? Nope. Will the Red Chinese invade and destroy Taiwan as a show of force? Nope. Is there anyone (besides the north Koreans, I suppose) who has any real interest in preventing free, safe maritime trade in the South China Sea? Nope.

    The Baltic is essentially a harbor. There are many nations with an interest in keeping it open to free travel, and theRussians are among them. No danger to vital US interests there.

    THe Russian Army is going to go outside of their acknowledged sphere of influence with on-the-ground military force? Exceedingly unlikely. The US is going to engage the Russians if they do? Even less likely.

    The Mideast is a mess and will remain so for some time. Watch and wait, let the players sort it out.

    Some wise President noted that if you see 10 dangers riding down the road toward you, 9 of them will go into a ditch without you doing anything at all. Let’s watch some of these dangers go into the ditch.

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  • OOOPS
    Paul Craig Roberts

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    meh

    A conversation taking place on SicSemperTyrannis has better information.

    They’re also discussing the immediate, as in imminent danger imperiling Syrians in Deir Al-Zor, where ISIS (perhaps with a little help from Ash Carter & friends) has cut off the town from the airport http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/01/deir-al-zor-thread-16-january-2016.html

    Klare’s usually among the good ‘uns, but this article is a snooze.

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  • For Russia, however, lacking the means to compete on equal terms with the West in conventional weaponry, this no longer seems reasonable.

    If John Paul Roberts is correct this situation changed radically when one Russian jet disabled an American warship totally, with a ray devise working on the copper wiring contained throughout the ship. This caused almost all American carriers to be put out of action and mothballed until corrections can be made. Israel Shamir reported previously that the Russians were able to deflect incoming missiles heading towards Syria with a similar device.

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  • no escaping the fact that Vladimir Putin’s urge to restore some of his country’s long-lost superpower glory

    ‘No escaping’ because you linked some bullshit Canadian opinion piece? Despite Putin himself stating clearly that he has no ‘superpower’ ambitions whatsoever? Nice.

    So Russian strategists, feeling threatened by the way NATO has moved ever closer to its borders, are now calling for the early use of “tactical” nuclear munitions to overpower stronger enemy forces.

    …and yet another bullshit article is linked, that itself links to an obscure Russian-language opinion piece that most definitely is NOT “calling for the early use of “tactical” nuclear munitions“…

    Why are you hate-mongering and spreading fake new, Mr Klare?

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  • Scroll through Donald Trump’s campaign promises or listen to his speeches and you could easily conclude that his energy policy consists of little more than a wish list drawn up by the major fossil fuel companies: lift environmental restrictions on oil and natural gas extraction, build the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines, open more...
  • […] has promised to suspend regulations limiting coal, oil and gas production on public lands.  He wants to revive […]

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  • Trump’s approach to this predicament — pump out as much oil as possible here and in Canada — is potentially disastrous, even in energy industry terms.

    Well, only if we assume unrestricted global market. But Trump is an economic nationalist. Imagine, for example, a 100% tariff on oil imports (bar Canada), and it all changes…

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  • Once upon a time, when choosing a new president, a factor for many voters was the perennial question: “Whose finger do you want on the nuclear button?” Of all the responsibilities of America’s top executive, none may be more momentous than deciding whether, and under what circumstances, to activate the “nuclear codes” -- the secret...
  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    According to Julian Assange who has read thousands of Clinton’e e-mails and is something of an expert on her has stated that a vote for Clinton is a vote for stupid continual wars. Also, she seems to get an ‘unseemly’ rush out of getting people killed. Trump hasn’t shown much in the way of bloodlust as she has. She’s been a part of the attempted encirclement of Russia and has constantly pushed for policies that lead to confrontation with them. Trump has expressed reluctance for this policy of aggression.

    he exhibited a striking ignorance of the most basic aspects of nuclear policy.

    What American president in the last thirty years has shown any knowledge about that? Arkansas governor Clinton? Village idiot Bush2 or community organizer Obama? Can anybody seriously envision the incompetent wrecker Hillary as being some savvy person with her track record of failure? That’s what staff and advisors are for, to specialize in these things.
    The stakes are very high and things are getting precarious indeed. The chances of a disastrous miscalculation are higher than ever before. Clinton loves brinksmanship, a game that’s no longer viable. What’s needed is statesmanship where agreements can be made to raise confidence and lessen tensions. This entails a pullback from the American policy of expansion and drive for power which has overextended itself. Russians, Chinese and North Koreans don’t intend to roll over and play dead for the Americans but are preparing to fight back, something that needs to sink into the minds of American policy makers.

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  • […] Election 2016 and the Growing Nuclear Threat by Michael T. Klare for TomDispatch. […]

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  • For an even more dire assessment of nuclear winter see:

    http://eastwestaccord.com/turning-blind-eye-towards-armageddon-us-leaders-reject-nuclear-winter-studies-dr-steven-starr/

    Be prepared…nut cases are running the world and even the US generals are fool enough to think they can win a nuclear war!!! Then again they are not literate in nuclear science.

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  • Obviously red baiting is in vogue these days. Nato aggression . IE Yugoslavia Iraq war one and Iraq occupation.. The devastation of Libya. The coupd-etat in Ukraine. The full encirclement of hostile military posturing along the Russian borders. Jst to name a few. and Furhter more Obama and Hitler in drag have said that they r still for or “FIRST STRIKE OPTION HAS NOT BEEN RULED OUT”. Terase May Thatcher on Valium has also stated this in Parliament question time.
    Trump the Frump has stated more often than not that he is not for a first stike option . So please I suggest u put this rubbish of a propagandist article in the Guardian or NYT WSJ or other propagandist rags. not in UNZ. The US and the Nato alliance have been for warned be it by the Iranian’s,Chinese and Russian’s stop the saber ratling cause we ain’t going to be extorted by u. DETENTE IS NEEDED NOT FIGHTING WORDS AND EXTORTION. The western establishment would make Bugsy Malone and Al Capone look like legitimate citizens.

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  • In a year of record-setting heat on a blistered globe, with fast-warmingoceans, fast-melting ice caps, and fast-rising sea levels, ratification of the December 2015 Paris climate summit agreement -- already endorsed by most nations -- should be a complete no-brainer. That it isn't tells you a great deal about our world. Global geopolitics and the...
  • There’s something missing here. As Chris Maser says,” Each year, an area 80% the size of the State of Oregon burns in the Brazilian Amazon alone”, and this is a lot, considering that tropical rainforests are one of the world’s oldest ecosystems, occupying only 7% of the Earth’s surface but home to more than 50% of all the Earth’s species”.

    Protecting natural habitats, rebuilding fertility and green cover is a CONSERVATIVE CONCEPT.

    And the beauty is that everyone can participate. As the Australian naturalist Peter Andrews points out , the important thing is green cover (the maximum ground surface covered in green plants – of any kind) with leaves returned to the soil, which quickly rebuilds fertility and habitats and wildlife recover.

    And it’s worth noting that Australia, as it would have been found by the first humans to arrive there, was entirely green, fertile and forested (like so much of the Earth at that time) and naturally cooling the planet. Now for the most part, it’s a sun baked desert.

    Pipelines don’t make any difference at all and are just an opportunity for stupid Leftist flag waving and Counter Cultural blah.

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  • Here’s the good news: wind power, solar power, and other renewable forms of energy are expanding far more quickly than anyone expected, ensuring that these systems will provide an ever-increasing share of our future energy supply. According to the most recent projections from the Energy Information Administration (EIA) of the U.S. Department of Energy, global...
  • “Anyone with even the most rudimentary knowledge of climate science has to shudder at such projections.” Izzat so? Rudimentary knowledge is all ANYONE has, but when you mention the “United Nations” and “Paris” in the same article relating to the environment, I can accurately say that the shuddering had to do with the fortunes stolen in “Energy Credits”.

    Jeez, Mr. Klare, you spin such a ducky story, I just turn Green with envy. I have solar (70KW) on top of the building I live in that subsidies and credits and cash outlay totaling nearly 100K US Dollars built and the company has disappeared and National Grid shut down because of an “arc fault”. So we get no power benefit, no credits from National Grid AND, we have lots of holes in the roof and banks of ugly panels sitting there generating electricity-to-nowhere and two dopey, inoperative inverters on the wall outside.. The big 2.5MW fans (4 million dollars each) don’t turn half the time up here (Northern Ma., north of Boston) and in any case, we get 7 hours of sunshine from September to April, give or take. Except when it rains. Or snows and the snow piles up on the panels. And then, like now, even with sunshine and a faulty system, you get…nothing.

    So stop with how wonderful it is. From Solyndra to my solar company, the whole thing is a scam. The industry needs to get with filling in for the companies that go into and out of business once a Green Investor’s installer goes out of business. Oh, and no other company in this business will service a system THEY didn’t install. Until an awful lot gets fixed in a seriously crooked business, you keep your solar, I’ll keep my electricity from the grid and my natural gas.

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  • The windmills kill millions of birds.

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  • Sunday, April 17th was the designated moment. The world’s leading oil producers were expected to bring fresh discipline to the chaotic petroleum market and spark a return to high prices. Meeting in Doha, the glittering capital of petroleum-rich Qatar, the oil ministers of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), along with such key...
  • @TheJester
    I worked the"Saudi scene" in one capacity or another for 14 years, including living in Riyadh for much of that time. A fundamental is that, as a generalization, Saudi nationals do not do manual labor or anything resembling labor or factory work as a Westerner would understand it. Coming from a culture of traders and desert Bedouins, the Saudis, using the oil revenue that fuels the entire society, hire what are euphemistically called TCNs (Third Country Nationals) to do the manual and administrative work ... and Westerners to do the managerial and technical work.

    The Saudis have tested the waters with a few industrial projects. But, as one American CEO related with respect to the Saudi steel mill in Al-Jubail, "How ridiculous ... built a steel mill to create four jobs for Saudi nationals (and a few Western managers) and 300 jobs for Philippinos." It is the kind of work one is willing to do.

    Saudi Arabia would have to undergo a complete cultural change for Saudis to live in anything other than an oil-driven welfare society. I'm not optimistic. As any aficionado of change mangement knows, the ground rule for changing a corporate culture is to fire 50%+ of the current employees and start over with a new consensus. However unrealistic, my suspicion is that something similar would be required to put the Saudi Arabian welfare society to work.

    A more realistic prognosis is one attributed (with a couple of variations) to a sheik from the Emirates that would equally apply to Saudi Arabia: "My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel."

    Excellent comment, but I think the Saudi royals may be viewing this in terms of assets owned abroad: US and UK firms (including military contractors) are always for sale to deep-pocketed investors.

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  • I worked the”Saudi scene” in one capacity or another for 14 years, including living in Riyadh for much of that time. A fundamental is that, as a generalization, Saudi nationals do not do manual labor or anything resembling labor or factory work as a Westerner would understand it. Coming from a culture of traders and desert Bedouins, the Saudis, using the oil revenue that fuels the entire society, hire what are euphemistically called TCNs (Third Country Nationals) to do the manual and administrative work … and Westerners to do the managerial and technical work.

    The Saudis have tested the waters with a few industrial projects. But, as one American CEO related with respect to the Saudi steel mill in Al-Jubail, “How ridiculous … built a steel mill to create four jobs for Saudi nationals (and a few Western managers) and 300 jobs for Philippinos.” It is the kind of work one is willing to do.

    Saudi Arabia would have to undergo a complete cultural change for Saudis to live in anything other than an oil-driven welfare society. I’m not optimistic. As any aficionado of change mangement knows, the ground rule for changing a corporate culture is to fire 50%+ of the current employees and start over with a new consensus. However unrealistic, my suspicion is that something similar would be required to put the Saudi Arabian welfare society to work.

    A more realistic prognosis is one attributed (with a couple of variations) to a sheik from the Emirates that would equally apply to Saudi Arabia: “My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel.”

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    Excellent comment, but I think the Saudi royals may be viewing this in terms of assets owned abroad: US and UK firms (including military contractors) are always for sale to deep-pocketed investors.
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  • As 2015 drew to a close, many in the global energy industry were praying that the price of oil would bounce back from the abyss, restoring the petroleum-centric world of the past half-century. All evidence, however, points to a continuing depression in oil prices in 2016 -- one that may, in fact, stretch into the...
  • (4) Most places are not so far away from each other:

    As a visual aid to thinking about humanity’s energy needs, Buckminster Fuller studied his Dymaxion Map, in both the folded and unfolded form. In its standard unfolded form, the map shows the world to be a “one-world island in a one-world ocean”, and shows how closely connected we all are. The majority of us live in a relatively small area of the available surface of the Earth, on land, north of the equator, but not too far north, mostly in great masses of millions, tens of millions, and even hundreds of millions of people. We are not generally living where some of the best renewable energy resources naturally are. Thus, the need for the Global Energy Grid.

    Disruptive Internet is making everything virtually closer.

    (9) The Global Energy Grid encourages renewables:

    A completed Global Energy Grid will encourage using renewable energy resources, such as hydroelectric, wind, solar, geothermal, biomass, tide, wave, and other non-polluting and natural, regenerative or inexhaustible, power solutions. When these resources can easily reach any market anywhere, their substantially better price/performance ratio will allow them to completely replace the deadly four which we now depend on nearly exclusively.

    If you have a river and water you have renewables. We’re getting out of the oil addiction ditch.

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  • Historically, the transition from one energy system to another, as from wood to coal or coal to oil, has proven an enormously complicated process, requiring decades to complete. In similar fashion, it will undoubtedly be many years before renewable forms of energy -- wind, solar, tidal, geothermal, and others still in development -- replace fossil...
  • Klare has a conspicuous blind spot when it comes to the most potent and available zero carbon energy, nuclear fission. The fact remains that the only zero carbon energy that has been developed to the point that it can provide power with the predictability and reliability required by technological societies in temperate and cold regions is nuclear. Solar and wind will only be suitable as supplemental power sources for the foreseeable future. If carbon emissions reduction is as urgent as many believe, the choice for much of the world will be to either get by on a fraction of the energy currently demanded on a per capita basis, subject to seasonal and weather-related interruption, or massively invest in nuclear. So far, the only country I am aware of that is undertaking nuclear construction on a scale that can make a difference is China.

    Twentieth Century nuclear technology is like a Rube Goldberg contraption when compared to the passive safety systems that are in current designs. Like all technology, there is a curve where the earlier iterations are risky and unreliable, and the risks decrease and reliability increases with subsequent iterations. That’s definitely been true with planes, trains, and automobiles. We should be concerned about the safety risks of the existing fleet nuclear power plants. But the only way to get those clunkers off the road is to replace them with something more up to date.

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  • Gates, Soros, Zuckerberg, Bezos… jeezus h it’s like the Four Horsemen of the Aglobalypse. What could go wrong?

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  • Not so long ago, it was science fiction. Now, it’s hard science -- and that should frighten us all. The latest reports from the prestigious and sober Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) make increasingly hair-raising reading, suggesting that the planet is approaching possible moments of irreversible damage in a fashion and at a speed...
  • @Drapetomaniac
    Certainly for global idiocracy with all the the AGW true-believers.

    Tell that to the people in SC. Warmer temps = more precipitation= they are f00ked. And this is just the beginning

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  • On the Beach make way for The Day After Tomorrow. Science-driven movies as authority.
    Still, strip away the hyperbole; there is cause for intelligent concern. The poles are warming and the equator isn’t. Both the atmosphere and oceans run on convective flow, i.e. temperature differences. So it is ominous in a more subdued manner.

    As long as climate is just another political crisis to be exploited for the benefit of contributors to political causes, the response is not serious. When the government steps aside and allows sound engineering to address the matter it will be time to pay attention. First the symptoms need to be4 countered and then the causes corrected. What needs to be done is pretty much known, if suppressed.

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  • […] Welcome to a New Planet: Climate Change, “Tipping Points” and the Fate of the Earth by Michael T. Klare for TomDispatch. […]

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  • @Veritas
    Looks like we've reached he tipping point for alarmist rhetoric.

    Certainly for global idiocracy with all the the AGW true-believers.

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  • Looks like we’ve reached he tipping point for alarmist rhetoric.

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    Certainly for global idiocracy with all the the AGW true-believers.
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  • On August 5th, West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey banded together with 15 other state attorneys general to demand that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) suspend the implementation of new rules devised by the Obama administration to slow the pace of climate change. The regulations, announced just two days earlier, sought to reduce power plant...
  • @Bill Jones
    " The regulations, announced just two days earlier, sought to reduce power plant emissions of carbon dioxide — a major cause of global warming "

    A major cause of something that's not happening.
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/

    Na ja, dass ist wirklich so? Then I’m not quite sure what to make of this from New Scientist:

    “Climate change is causing the North Pole’s location to drift, owing to subtle changes in Earth’s rotation that result from the melting of glaciers and ice sheets. The finding suggests that monitoring the positions of the pole could become a new tool for tracking global warming.

    Computer simulations had suggested that the melting of ice sheets and the consequent rise in sea level could affect the distribution of mass on the Earth’s surface. This would in turn cause the Earth’s axis to shift, an effect that has been confirmed by measurements of the positions of the poles.

    Now, Jianli Chen of the University of Texas at Austin and colleagues have shown that melting due to our greenhouse-gas emissions is making its own contribution to the shift.”

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24755-earths-poles-are-shifting-because-of-climate-change

    Hypothesis: Big Oil has enough money to pay whore scientists and whore journalists in the MSM to push any narrative they choose. Just as the MSM can brainwash people into believing that diversity is strength and that blacks commit murders at an equal rate to whites or Asians, they can brainwash the lazy and ill-educated into believing global warming is a “myth” pushed by Evil Scientists like James Hansen and Michael Oppenheimer. (Chevron’s and Exxon’s motives in pointing out “the truth” are pure, of course.)

    And Bill Jones will swallow it all, hook, line, and rod.

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  • ” The regulations, announced just two days earlier, sought to reduce power plant emissions of carbon dioxide — a major cause of global warming ”

    A major cause of something that’s not happening.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/

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    Na ja, dass ist wirklich so? Then I'm not quite sure what to make of this from New Scientist:

    "Climate change is causing the North Pole's location to drift, owing to subtle changes in Earth's rotation that result from the melting of glaciers and ice sheets. The finding suggests that monitoring the positions of the pole could become a new tool for tracking global warming.

    Computer simulations had suggested that the melting of ice sheets and the consequent rise in sea level could affect the distribution of mass on the Earth's surface. This would in turn cause the Earth's axis to shift, an effect that has been confirmed by measurements of the positions of the poles.

    Now, Jianli Chen of the University of Texas at Austin and colleagues have shown that melting due to our greenhouse-gas emissions is making its own contribution to the shift."

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24755-earths-poles-are-shifting-because-of-climate-change

    Hypothesis: Big Oil has enough money to pay whore scientists and whore journalists in the MSM to push any narrative they choose. Just as the MSM can brainwash people into believing that diversity is strength and that blacks commit murders at an equal rate to whites or Asians, they can brainwash the lazy and ill-educated into believing global warming is a "myth" pushed by Evil Scientists like James Hansen and Michael Oppenheimer. (Chevron's and Exxon's motives in pointing out "the truth" are pure, of course.)

    And Bill Jones will swallow it all, hook, line, and rod.

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  • Well if we want these soon-to-be ex-coalminers to find new jobs, maybe we should at least not force them to compete with millions of poor desperate immigrants?

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  • Eustace Tilley (not) [AKA "Schiller/Nietzsche"] says:

    In the face of the approaching apocalyptic catastrophe of ever-worsening global warming, libtard TomDispatch continues to hold out the feel-good hope of “…clean energy — the only sure path to economic growth in a climate-ravaged world.”

    Stop the legerdemain, Green Hucksters. A 32% reduction of CO2 emissions by power plants by the year 2030 in the US (What about China? Are we going to continue to support their industrial pollution by buying their junk?) is not nearly enough to slow runaway global warming. What about automobiles, Obongo? Are you going to stop moving Black Settlers out of the cities into the newly-bulldozed Greenlands using federal government money? Why don’t you ask Your People to drive their cars only on even-numbered days as a voluntary step towards the goal of saving the planet? They can demonstrate their moral superiority to Selfish Ecofucker Whitey thereby. See if they’ll comply out of loyalty to their High Chief.

    California — the Salad Bowl of America — is drying up, and you are continuing to hold out the mirage of “economic growth”? By 2030, Americans will be lucky to be able to feed themselves and their children. Check out NatureBatsLast and you will see that the “solutions” of politicians to the global warming challenge are pathetic; they are meant to appease ignorant Green Yuppies who think they are “helping the planet” by driving around in a Prius.

    The King is not dead. Modern Man want juice for his gadgets; the late great Planet Earth be damned.

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  • The plunge of global oil prices began in June 2014, when benchmark Brent crude was selling at $114 per barrel. It hit bottom at $46 this January, a near-collapse widely viewed as a major but temporary calamity for the energy industry. Such low prices were expected to force many high-cost operators, especially American shale oil...
  • How’s that “peak oil” thing playing out there Klare?

    Still getting postings?

    Wow.

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  • America’s grand strategy, its long-term blueprint for advancing national interests and countering major adversaries, is in total disarray. Top officials lurch from crisis to crisis, improvising strategies as they go, but rarely pursuing a consistent set of policies. Some blame this indecisiveness on a lack of resolve at the White House, but the real reason...
  • @Alieu
    Please stop feeding the troll. I know it's tempting, but we can all see through his Zionist lies and distortions. AP previously went under the name Dr. Preobezodsky...or something and he is a sock-puppeting Zionist troll. HA is almost certainly him using a different name. Note the use of names using two capital letters. A tip for him in the future.

    aHA!

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  • Please stop feeding the troll. I know it’s tempting, but we can all see through his Zionist lies and distortions. AP previously went under the name Dr. Preobezodsky…or something and he is a sock-puppeting Zionist troll. HA is almost certainly him using a different name. Note the use of names using two capital letters. A tip for him in the future.

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    aHA!
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  • @HA
    "It is Kiza not KA, dummy."

    On that point, you are correct. My apologies.

    As for the rest, let's see -- your best and only evidence of what you're trying to establish is one Wikipedia article mentioning "allegations". When I point out how ridiculous that is, after having provided something with, you know, actual references by actual reporters, you start ranting about "MSM propaganda" and that there is an 80% chance (really? Eighty percent? Did you work that out on a spreadsheet or something?) I am being paid by someone, as if only only a professional could make you look like an amateur.

    In fact, as hard as it may be to believe, making you look like an amateur is really not that difficult. But no matter -- if believing that keeps you from trying to answer or rebut anything else I might write in the future, no complaints here.

    And British? Really? You think they care any more about unz.com than the Americans do? At least the NSA might monitor this site in the anticipation that another Dylann Roof is posting here, but the Brits? Talk about sloppy thinking.

    So, what’s the reason you write at all?

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  • HA says:
    @Kiza
    Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy, tsss, tsss, tsss. It is Kiza not KA, dummy.

    You even patronized me by criticizing me for badly presented arguments.

    Indications that you are a propaganda pro:
    1) constantly shifting arguments, like quick-sand,
    2) never admit, even when your opponent has a very strong point,
    3) keep quoting the established MSM propaganda as truth,
    4) using methods of psychological influencing and demoralization,
    5) spending too much time on the comments, the time an amateur could not afford.
    Therefore, about 80% probability that you are a paid pro. If not, then you are an undiscovered gem and they should employ you.

    My guess is that you work for the British, not for the US regime.

    “It is Kiza not KA, dummy.”

    On that point, you are correct. My apologies.

    As for the rest, let’s see — your best and only evidence of what you’re trying to establish is one Wikipedia article mentioning “allegations”. When I point out how ridiculous that is, after having provided something with, you know, actual references by actual reporters, you start ranting about “MSM propaganda” and that there is an 80% chance (really? Eighty percent? Did you work that out on a spreadsheet or something?) I am being paid by someone, as if only only a professional could make you look like an amateur.

    In fact, as hard as it may be to believe, making you look like an amateur is really not that difficult. But no matter — if believing that keeps you from trying to answer or rebut anything else I might write in the future, no complaints here.

    And British? Really? You think they care any more about unz.com than the Americans do? At least the NSA might monitor this site in the anticipation that another Dylann Roof is posting here, but the Brits? Talk about sloppy thinking.

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    So, what's the reason you write at all?
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  • Kiza says:
    @HA
    " I have no time to continue, I am not paid like you are."

    And back we go to the odd insistence that someone in the West cares enough about what happens at unz.com to pay someone with my views to post here.

    That pretty much tells you all you need to know about KA's grip on reality.

    Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy, tsss, tsss, tsss. It is Kiza not KA, dummy.

    You even patronized me by criticizing me for badly presented arguments.

    Indications that you are a propaganda pro:
    1) constantly shifting arguments, like quick-sand,
    2) never admit, even when your opponent has a very strong point,
    3) keep quoting the established MSM propaganda as truth,
    4) using methods of psychological influencing and demoralization,
    5) spending too much time on the comments, the time an amateur could not afford.
    Therefore, about 80% probability that you are a paid pro. If not, then you are an undiscovered gem and they should employ you.

    My guess is that you work for the British, not for the US regime.

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    "It is Kiza not KA, dummy."

    On that point, you are correct. My apologies.

    As for the rest, let's see -- your best and only evidence of what you're trying to establish is one Wikipedia article mentioning "allegations". When I point out how ridiculous that is, after having provided something with, you know, actual references by actual reporters, you start ranting about "MSM propaganda" and that there is an 80% chance (really? Eighty percent? Did you work that out on a spreadsheet or something?) I am being paid by someone, as if only only a professional could make you look like an amateur.

    In fact, as hard as it may be to believe, making you look like an amateur is really not that difficult. But no matter -- if believing that keeps you from trying to answer or rebut anything else I might write in the future, no complaints here.

    And British? Really? You think they care any more about unz.com than the Americans do? At least the NSA might monitor this site in the anticipation that another Dylann Roof is posting here, but the Brits? Talk about sloppy thinking.

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  • HA says:

    ” I have no time to continue, I am not paid like you are.”

    And back we go to the odd insistence that someone in the West cares enough about what happens at unz.com to pay someone with my views to post here.

    That pretty much tells you all you need to know about KA’s grip on reality.

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    Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy, tsss, tsss, tsss. It is Kiza not KA, dummy.

    You even patronized me by criticizing me for badly presented arguments.

    Indications that you are a propaganda pro:
    1) constantly shifting arguments, like quick-sand,
    2) never admit, even when your opponent has a very strong point,
    3) keep quoting the established MSM propaganda as truth,
    4) using methods of psychological influencing and demoralization,
    5) spending too much time on the comments, the time an amateur could not afford.
    Therefore, about 80% probability that you are a paid pro. If not, then you are an undiscovered gem and they should employ you.

    My guess is that you work for the British, not for the US regime.
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  • @denk
    *cant i? You call Kosovo a colony? Where’s the oil, where’s the resources, where’s the rich deposits now flowing into America’s banks that will begin to offset the costs of that misbegotten operation? Do you even know what colony actually means, or do you toss out words like that in order to get your voter base agitated?

    do u even know whats *de facto* ?
    +First, Kosovo is not gaining independence or even minimal self-government. It will be run by an appointed High Representative and bodies appointed by the U.S., European Union and NATO. An old-style colonial viceroy and imperialist administrators will have control over foreign and domestic policy. U.S. imperialism has merely consolidated its direct control of a totally dependent colony in the heart of the Balkans.+

    u dont like the word *colony* ?
    , shall we settle for *kosovo is a de facto murikkan 51 state* ?

    p.s.
    you may add the *five eyes*, jp, sk, ph, to the list !

    “It will be run by an appointed High Representative and bodies appointed by the U.S., European Union and NATO.”

    If you think that’s a colony, then that word doesn’t mean what you think it means.

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  • denk says:
    @HA
    im on murikkan imperialism....the moral standard for the unitedsnake, that alleged *flag bearer for western democrazy* ?

    How much glue does one have to sniff before one can write something like this? I'm guessing it would take at least a few hits just to parse it, so I think we'll have to end it there.

    *How much glue does one have to sniff before one can write something like this?
    I’m guessing it would take at least a few hits just to parse it,*

    u made a very lame attempt to deflect the discussion on murkkan imperialism in kosovo etc. to your perceived russian trangression in ukraine.
    willlfully obtuse eh ?

    *so I think we’ll have to end it there.*

    u should’ve cut it out earlier instead of making a fool of yourself.

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  • denk says:
    @HA
    "i see u cant refute the points made by flounders"

    cant i? You call Kosovo a colony? Where's the oil, where's the resources, where's the rich deposits now flowing into America's banks that will begin to offset the costs of that misbegotten operation? Do you even know what colony actually means, or do you toss out words like that in order to get your voter base agitated?

    Dumping a worthless link onto a comment and pretending you've presented points that need to be refuted is not an argument worth taking seriously. If "u cant" be bothered to provide actual arguments (or type actual English, apparently), leave me to glean whatever else I can from the array of experts your ilk surrounds yourself with, given that people like Cagey Beast find that more relevant anyway..

    *cant i? You call Kosovo a colony? Where’s the oil, where’s the resources, where’s the rich deposits now flowing into America’s banks that will begin to offset the costs of that misbegotten operation? Do you even know what colony actually means, or do you toss out words like that in order to get your voter base agitated?

    do u even know whats *de facto* ?
    +First, Kosovo is not gaining independence or even minimal self-government. It will be run by an appointed High Representative and bodies appointed by the U.S., European Union and NATO. An old-style colonial viceroy and imperialist administrators will have control over foreign and domestic policy. U.S. imperialism has merely consolidated its direct control of a totally dependent colony in the heart of the Balkans.+

    u dont like the word *colony* ?
    , shall we settle for *kosovo is a de facto murikkan 51 state* ?

    p.s.
    you may add the *five eyes*, jp, sk, ph, to the list !

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    "It will be run by an appointed High Representative and bodies appointed by the U.S., European Union and NATO."

    If you think that's a colony, then that word doesn't mean what you think it means.
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  • Kiza says:

    You are a pure propagandist of the Western regimes, I have little doubt now: constant subterfuge, obfuscation and shifting of argument. Who gives a sh.. what you agree with or not about Kosovo? You pull out these Western MSM lies and make them into “truths”, 99% of your points are either lying and shifting the truth, that is repeating the Western media lies. What Serbian Propaganda Minister??? Such thing never existed, did you mean the US and UK Ministry of Truth? I have no time to continue, I am not paid like you are. Good luck to you in your propaganda effort here, but only the like minded people will buy “truths” from you. I am sure I will come across you again because you are a permanent commentator here, most likely under several different nicks. But I know now who you belong to. I am unlikely to engage you in discussion again, because I have no time for individuals or teams of propaganda professionals such as you.

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  • HA says:
    @Kiza
    Did your "International Community" give a hoots about a thousand civilians killed by the same 28th Bosnian Muslim Army Division which operated, as you say, "under the noses of the UNHCR". These Serbians in villages in the mountains surrounding Srebrenica were mostly killed in the favorite Muslim way - by slitting the throats with a big knife, because this is how pigs are killed (which Muslims despise and do not eat).

    These Serbian victims are as invisible as the Donbas civilians killed by the US supported Nazis in Ukraine. They have been wiped off from existence by MSM.

    In the Western propaganda world, it is more humane that US killed more than a million Iraqis than that Russians permitted the Russians of Crimea to ascend to Russia without one dead. The same Western Propaganda Machine wants to blow up the Srebrenica revenge massacre (a crime common in civil wars) into a Crime of the Century.

    Of course, the Bosnian Serb Army should have conducted a court marshal on the captured members of the Muslim Army, identified the killers and executed them. But being attacked by the Western special forces, the Iranian and Afghani mujahedin brought into Bosnia by US military planes and the regular Muslim army, they went for a quick and wrongful justice: the sons of the civilians killed by the Muslims were given the weapons to administer "justice". It was a crime by all international standards, but not 10x more that the West is adding to it to justify its own crimes. Should I mention My Lai or a million other examples?

    The key question is - who caused the war in Bosnia and in Kosovo and the answer is the US, UK and Germany. The same team as in Ukraine.

    Except for the constant noise the morally rotten West is making, it has zero right to judge anyone.

    “These Serbian victims are as invisible as the Donbas civilians killed by the US supported Nazis in Ukraine.”

    And whose fault is that? Could it have something to do with the Serb propaganda ministers who, instead of actually finding proof of what they alleged, simply found some criminal willing to make a deal and in exchange for a reduced sentence, had him make “confessions” that a real reporter talking to a real doctor was able to shoot to pieces in one paragraph?

    This reminds me of Soviet apologists who complain about Conquest getting the number of Stalin’s victims wrong when the Soviet information blockade and propaganda protocols were the main obstacle to the information getting out in the first place. For the last time, I do not agree with what was done with Kosovo. But I understand, after the lies of Milosevic and Karadzic, beginning with fake desecration of Croatian Jewish memorials and continuing all the way to Adrian’s confessions about seeing heart transplants initiated with bayonet saws, why after a while no one believed Serb officials anymore, even in situations where they happened to have a point. Pretending that the US or Germany started it, instead of Milosevic et al. is not going to fool anyone who has studied that mess.

    One would think the propaganda ministers at RT would learn from that lesson, but they seem intent on repeating it.

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  • Kiza says:

    Did your “International Community” give a hoots about a thousand civilians killed by the same 28th Bosnian Muslim Army Division which operated, as you say, “under the noses of the UNHCR”. These Serbians in villages in the mountains surrounding Srebrenica were mostly killed in the favorite Muslim way – by slitting the throats with a big knife, because this is how pigs are killed (which Muslims despise and do not eat).

    These Serbian victims are as invisible as the Donbas civilians killed by the US supported Nazis in Ukraine. They have been wiped off from existence by MSM.

    In the Western propaganda world, it is more humane that US killed more than a million Iraqis than that Russians permitted the Russians of Crimea to ascend to Russia without one dead. The same Western Propaganda Machine wants to blow up the Srebrenica revenge massacre (a crime common in civil wars) into a Crime of the Century.

    Of course, the Bosnian Serb Army should have conducted a court marshal on the captured members of the Muslim Army, identified the killers and executed them. But being attacked by the Western special forces, the Iranian and Afghani mujahedin brought into Bosnia by US military planes and the regular Muslim army, they went for a quick and wrongful justice: the sons of the civilians killed by the Muslims were given the weapons to administer “justice”. It was a crime by all international standards, but not 10x more that the West is adding to it to justify its own crimes. Should I mention My Lai or a million other examples?

    The key question is – who caused the war in Bosnia and in Kosovo and the answer is the US, UK and Germany. The same team as in Ukraine.

    Except for the constant noise the morally rotten West is making, it has zero right to judge anyone.

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    "These Serbian victims are as invisible as the Donbas civilians killed by the US supported Nazis in Ukraine."

    And whose fault is that? Could it have something to do with the Serb propaganda ministers who, instead of actually finding proof of what they alleged, simply found some criminal willing to make a deal and in exchange for a reduced sentence, had him make "confessions" that a real reporter talking to a real doctor was able to shoot to pieces in one paragraph?

    This reminds me of Soviet apologists who complain about Conquest getting the number of Stalin's victims wrong when the Soviet information blockade and propaganda protocols were the main obstacle to the information getting out in the first place. For the last time, I do not agree with what was done with Kosovo. But I understand, after the lies of Milosevic and Karadzic, beginning with fake desecration of Croatian Jewish memorials and continuing all the way to Adrian's confessions about seeing heart transplants initiated with bayonet saws, why after a while no one believed Serb officials anymore, even in situations where they happened to have a point. Pretending that the US or Germany started it, instead of Milosevic et al. is not going to fool anyone who has studied that mess.

    One would think the propaganda ministers at RT would learn from that lesson, but they seem intent on repeating it.

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  • AP says:
    @KA
    I got it . Polish people have spine and are noble . Is it some kind of new thingie in the international diplomatic market?

    I’m just pointing out that Poland has among the highest church-going rate, lowest abortion rate, lowest divorce rate, fairly low homicide rate, etc. etc. in the “white” world, while Russia is among the worst in these categories – worse even, than the USA. Conservatives can draw their own conclusions about moral spine, nobility. etc.

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  • HA says:

    “Finally, Srebrenica, a big Western holly grail lie…. Yes, there was a massacre of prisoners in Srebrenica, between 400 and 1500 Bosnian Muslim soldiers were massacred by the local Serbs living in villages around Srebrenica.”

    I think you need to work on the consistency of those two sentences a little more. The killing of 400 to 1500 Bosnian Muslim soldiers, under the noses of the UNHCR, was indeed a spectacle the international community wanted to make sure did not happen again, and the worries of a scenario like that being repeated was a major concern in launching the Kosovo operation. If you’re trying to refute something I’ve said, you’ll need to try harder.

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  • HA says:
    @Kiza
    You keep inventing things, repeating propaganda from MSM and interpreting the words of others to suit your agenda.

    Very often you use partial truths to spin propaganda conclusions. For example, you lie that there is no proof for organ trafficking by the KLA, Wikipedia is not an always reliable source but it points in the right direction. An official report by Dick Marty a Swiss prosecutor and EU investigator:
    "On 12 December 2010, a draft[37] report from Swiss prosecutor Dick Marty to the Council of Europe was pre-released.[38] The report alleged that the Republic of Kosovo's prime minister, Hashim Thaçi was the head of a "mafia-like" group responsible for smuggling weapons, drugs and human organs through eastern Europe.[39] As stated in the report, the KLA held prisoners in a network of six facilities located in Albania, and Thaçi's "Drenica Group" had the greatest responsibility for the prisons and the fate of those held there.[39]"

    Your partial truth is that there were naive poor from Moldova selling their kidneys to KLA. Yes true, but taking organs from prisoners was also proven and then covered up by the US and EU. What would a "humanitarian" bombing campaign on Serbia look like if their infantry on the ground, the KLA, was trading in prisoners' body organs. In the West, the term "humanitarian" means using up humans!

    Finally, Srebrenica, a big Western holly grail lie. So typical of the constant Western manipulation of the truth (which you practice). Yes, there was a massacre of prisoners in Srebrenica, between 400 and 1500 Bosnian Muslim soldiers were massacred by the local Serbs living in villages around Srebrenica. The Muslim Bosnian Army was using Srebrenica, a UN safe heaven for the refugees, to launch raids on the surrounding villages and massacred more than 1,000 Serbian villagers (there is plenty of evidence about this). The US and UK set this safe heaven for the Muslim Army and the Dutch "peacekeepers" never demilitarized the "safe heaven" which was their primary duty as UN peacekeepers. After several weeks of fighting, Srebrenica enclave was taken by the Serbian Bosnian Army. If the Srebrenica "UN Safe Heaven" resisted an Army attack for several weeks was it demilitarized? This massacre was a crime of revenge that the US+EU and their media had so much understanding for when KLA terrorists did it to Serbs after winning Kosovo. To create The Legend of Srebrenica, the West added all the dead from the fighting, the Serbs as well as the Muslims and not only from Srebrenica then from the surrounding areas and voila, 8,000 killed. Hitler's Große Lüge, Western endless lies.

    This is a standard modus operandi of the Western propaganda machine:
    1) keep quite about the Kiev's bombing of civilians in Donbas,
    2) inflate and misrepresent Serbian killings.
    All in the "fog of war".

    “The report alleged that the Republic of Kosovo’s prime minister, Hashim Thaçi was the head of a ‘mafia-like’ group responsible for smuggling weapons, drugs and human organs through eastern Europe.” (emphasis mine)

    Sorry to disappoint you, but allegations do not equal proof. There was, for example, the story of Adrian in my first link above, the Kosovar thug who received lenience in exchange for saying what Serb authorities wanted him to say. He, for example, claimed a heart was sawed out of a chest (of a conscious and unsedated prisoner) with a bayonet and then sent to Tirana to be flown to Turkey or elsewhere. But the story simply didn’t pan out even though it was a cause celbre throughout Serbia:

    Adrian’s testimony was striking, but it also seemed to connect one too many dots. By his account, he had participated in the barbaric murder of a Serb, received praise from a notorious war criminal, taken a suspicious package from a doctor at the yellow house, and delivered this parcel to a plane bound for Turkey. And his description of the surgery seemed bizarre: why, for example, had the Serb not been fully sedated?…Prem Shekar, a cardiac-transplant surgeon at Harvard Medical School, told me that Adrian’s tale was medically implausible…. A heart transplant requires a truly sterile environment, he said…. Moreover, a heart can last only four to six hours outside a body. There was simply no way you could transport a heart from a remote camp in Albania to a hospital in Turkey, and then complete a lengthy operation, without the heart failing first.

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  • Kiza says:

    You keep inventing things, repeating propaganda from MSM and interpreting the words of others to suit your agenda.

    Very often you use partial truths to spin propaganda conclusions. For example, you lie that there is no proof for organ trafficking by the KLA, Wikipedia is not an always reliable source but it points in the right direction. An official report by Dick Marty a Swiss prosecutor and EU investigator:
    “On 12 December 2010, a draft[37] report from Swiss prosecutor Dick Marty to the Council of Europe was pre-released.[38] The report alleged that the Republic of Kosovo’s prime minister, Hashim Thaçi was the head of a “mafia-like” group responsible for smuggling weapons, drugs and human organs through eastern Europe.[39] As stated in the report, the KLA held prisoners in a network of six facilities located in Albania, and Thaçi’s “Drenica Group” had the greatest responsibility for the prisons and the fate of those held there.[39]”

    Your partial truth is that there were naive poor from Moldova selling their kidneys to KLA. Yes true, but taking organs from prisoners was also proven and then covered up by the US and EU. What would a “humanitarian” bombing campaign on Serbia look like if their infantry on the ground, the KLA, was trading in prisoners’ body organs. In the West, the term “humanitarian” means using up humans!

    Finally, Srebrenica, a big Western holly grail lie. So typical of the constant Western manipulation of the truth (which you practice). Yes, there was a massacre of prisoners in Srebrenica, between 400 and 1500 Bosnian Muslim soldiers were massacred by the local Serbs living in villages around Srebrenica. The Muslim Bosnian Army was using Srebrenica, a UN safe heaven for the refugees, to launch raids on the surrounding villages and massacred more than 1,000 Serbian villagers (there is plenty of evidence about this). The US and UK set this safe heaven for the Muslim Army and the Dutch “peacekeepers” never demilitarized the “safe heaven” which was their primary duty as UN peacekeepers. After several weeks of fighting, Srebrenica enclave was taken by the Serbian Bosnian Army. If the Srebrenica “UN Safe Heaven” resisted an Army attack for several weeks was it demilitarized? This massacre was a crime of revenge that the US+EU and their media had so much understanding for when KLA terrorists did it to Serbs after winning Kosovo. To create The Legend of Srebrenica, the West added all the dead from the fighting, the Serbs as well as the Muslims and not only from Srebrenica then from the surrounding areas and voila, 8,000 killed. Hitler’s Große Lüge, Western endless lies.

    This is a standard modus operandi of the Western propaganda machine:
    1) keep quite about the Kiev’s bombing of civilians in Donbas,
    2) inflate and misrepresent Serbian killings.
    All in the “fog of war”.

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    "The report alleged that the Republic of Kosovo’s prime minister, Hashim Thaçi was the head of a 'mafia-like' group responsible for smuggling weapons, drugs and human organs through eastern Europe." (emphasis mine)

    Sorry to disappoint you, but allegations do not equal proof. There was, for example, the story of Adrian in my first link above, the Kosovar thug who received lenience in exchange for saying what Serb authorities wanted him to say. He, for example, claimed a heart was sawed out of a chest (of a conscious and unsedated prisoner) with a bayonet and then sent to Tirana to be flown to Turkey or elsewhere. But the story simply didn't pan out even though it was a cause celbre throughout Serbia:


    Adrian’s testimony was striking, but it also seemed to connect one too many dots. By his account, he had participated in the barbaric murder of a Serb, received praise from a notorious war criminal, taken a suspicious package from a doctor at the yellow house, and delivered this parcel to a plane bound for Turkey. And his description of the surgery seemed bizarre: why, for example, had the Serb not been fully sedated?...Prem Shekar, a cardiac-transplant surgeon at Harvard Medical School, told me that Adrian’s tale was medically implausible.... A heart transplant requires a truly sterile environment, he said.... Moreover, a heart can last only four to six hours outside a body. There was simply no way you could transport a heart from a remote camp in Albania to a hospital in Turkey, and then complete a lengthy operation, without the heart failing first.
     
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  • @AP

    They support, for Poland does American bidding . Its march to Iraq war , support for rendition program, black CIA sites for few bucks prove that its a country that has same moral spine as that of any other country
     
    I judge a country's "moral spine" by the behavior of its population. By that standard, Russia is simply not in the same league as Poland. Indeed, it even compares poorly to the USA.

    Poland seeks an alliance with the USA because it is too small to be a power on its own, and for legitimate historical reasons it doesn't trust Western Europe and it is afraid of Russia. So, it seeks an alliance with the USA. This is why is was involved in the Iraq war tragedy. And while the USA's involvement in the middle east has been awful, there are many people far more worthy of pity than the Islamists who found their way into the CIA blacksites.

    I got it . Polish people have spine and are noble . Is it some kind of new thingie in the international diplomatic market?

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    I'm just pointing out that Poland has among the highest church-going rate, lowest abortion rate, lowest divorce rate, fairly low homicide rate, etc. etc. in the "white" world, while Russia is among the worst in these categories - worse even, than the USA. Conservatives can draw their own conclusions about moral spine, nobility. etc.
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  • HA says:
    @HA
    "One point is sufficient to cover your whole comment..."

    Only if if you start branching out into pointless segues of your own choosing. I'm not arguing that separating Kosovo from Serbia was the right thing to do, only that Serb officials had made a good mess of that situation already, and had long since lost any shred of credibility in Bosnia and elsewhere, before the Kosovo situation came to a head.

    Moreover, contrary to the red herring that Sara Flounders raised (in the article denk linked to), the decision to bomb the Serbs was not based on allegations that genocide that happened, but rather, that allowing the Serbs to continue their misbegotten policies risked future situations like Srebrenica. Again, I do not agree that granting Kosovo a relatively easy ticket to independence was the right solution, but I understand why many at that point no longer trusted the Serbian government to continue their rule there.

    As for whatever strategic importance Bondsteel imparted (today it is stopping Russia, yesterday it was supposedly Kosovo's rich coal deposits, tomorrow it will be who knows what), even by your allegations, the US doesn't need military bases to foment terrorist activity in that part of the world, whether that means blowing up Russian gas lines or importing drugs, or whatever else you allege. Moreover, the US would have found easy customers in Croatia or Macedonia had they wanted to build bases there, so the essential need for Kosovo as a "colony" is a matter you have failed to address.

    Oh, and as for organ trafficking, the countless allegations that organs were ripped out of POW’s and other such horror stories could never be substantiated, despite repeated efforts by Serbian officials to coerce Kosovar criminals to confess to taking part in such operations in exchange for leniency.

    There was indeed organ trafficking in Kosovo, see here and here, but that was a scam in which poor people from Moldova and elsewhere were enticed to come to Pristina where the organ transplanta took place (and whereupon the donors were sent back without payment or adequate medical care).

    That is indeed horrendous (and the sentences were ridiculously light – less than 10 years for just a few of those involved) but anyone who thinks that kind of thing would never have happened under Serbia’s aegis is living a pipe dream.

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  • HA says:

    “One point is sufficient to cover your whole comment…”

    Only if if you start branching out into pointless segues of your own choosing. I’m not arguing that separating Kosovo from Serbia was the right thing to do, only that Serb officials had made a good mess of that situation already, and had long since lost any shred of credibility in Bosnia and elsewhere, before the Kosovo situation came to a head.

    Moreover, contrary to the red herring that Sara Flounders raised (in the article denk linked to), the decision to bomb the Serbs was not based on allegations that genocide that happened, but rather, that allowing the Serbs to continue their misbegotten policies risked future situations like Srebrenica. Again, I do not agree that granting Kosovo a relatively easy ticket to independence was the right solution, but I understand why many at that point no longer trusted the Serbian government to continue their rule there.

    As for whatever strategic importance Bondsteel imparted (today it is stopping Russia, yesterday it was supposedly Kosovo’s rich coal deposits, tomorrow it will be who knows what), even by your allegations, the US doesn’t need military bases to foment terrorist activity in that part of the world, whether that means blowing up Russian gas lines or importing drugs, or whatever else you allege. Moreover, the US would have found easy customers in Croatia or Macedonia had they wanted to build bases there, so the essential need for Kosovo as a “colony” is a matter you have failed to address.

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    Oh, and as for organ trafficking, the countless allegations that organs were ripped out of POW's and other such horror stories could never be substantiated, despite repeated efforts by Serbian officials to coerce Kosovar criminals to confess to taking part in such operations in exchange for leniency.

    There was indeed organ trafficking in Kosovo, see here and here, but that was a scam in which poor people from Moldova and elsewhere were enticed to come to Pristina where the organ transplanta took place (and whereupon the donors were sent back without payment or adequate medical care).

    That is indeed horrendous (and the sentences were ridiculously light - less than 10 years for just a few of those involved) but anyone who thinks that kind of thing would never have happened under Serbia's aegis is living a pipe dream.

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  • @HA
    "Bondsteel military airbase and Pristina Airport in Kosovo are strategic bases for the US control of the South Easter Europe."

    Yeah, the jewel in the American crown, designed to safeguard SouthEastern Europe, from what, those NATO bases in Turkey maybe?

    In other words, forget Israel, forget China, forget AlQuaeda. What the US is really worried about is a secure South Eastern Europe.

    "3) high mineral resources in Kosovo, now available to Western companies for exploitation,"

    Let's see some numbers. How much are these mineral resources worth, how much of them have rolled into Western companies that would otherwise have remained off limits, given that even Serbia is trying to join the EU?


    "In summary, the US was happy to drop a new army base and use an existing Serbian airport in Kosovo, after bombing Serbia to take 15% of its territory away, but not happy to get involved in Kosovo’s huge social problems. "

    Because the Serbs did such a lovely job of taking care of Kosovo's social problems all by themselves. Ah, the good old days.

    One point is sufficient to cover your whole comment:
    How many Kosovo Albanians were illegal migrants when Kosovo was part of Serbia, how many are illegal migrants now? In other words, when was life better? Answer: about 5x more people are living Kosovo now.

    This is exactly why a small percentage of Albanians was committed to remaining in Serbia, but the US and Germany supported and trained KLA terrorists, who killed opponents, extracted their body organs and sold them to the back market in Germany and Israel. Thus, the victims of the organ trade that KLA ran were both the Serbian and the Albanian war prisoners. But KLA had strong links with Albanian drug mafia in the US and in EU, and Albanian mafia poured money into the deeply corrupt (rotten) Western political system and media. This is how you buy yourself the services of the US rent-a-military (to bomb for non-US interests).

    Why does US need South-Eastern Europe? The US, together with its EU puppet, just killed the Russian South Stream gas pipeline using the stupid and totally corrupt Bulgaria. Russia then tried to build an alternative route through Turkey, Greece, Macedonia and Serbia, but the US created a color revolution in Macedonia to prevent this. The US military base Bondsteel is there to prepare Albanian terrorist groups and launch their raids into Macedonia and Serbia, if and when a need for this arises. If Russia somehow succeeds building the new pipeline, these raids will target the pipeline, about 100 km away from the Bondsteel base.

    Finally, the regime in Serbia is US+EU appointed, most MSM are owned by Germany and this is why the EU is sold to Serbians as no-alternative. Seriously, they even use this exact expression in their brainwashing MSM propaganda: “There is no-alternative to joining the EU”. Naturally, the corrupt Serbian elite is keen to join the EU because it will become the technocracy in firm control of the country, as all Western client regimes do.

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  • AP says:
    @KA
    USA both the neocons and the liberal support Poland not out of fellow feeling,or for same moral stand or for abysmal immoral common attitudevThey support, for Poland does American bidding . Its march to Iraq war , support for rendition program, black CIA sites for few bucks prove that its a country that has same moral spine as that of any other country among the coalition of the willing.
    And what has happened out of that the knee jerk support from the regular conservatives to Russia? Nada. Nothing.
    When was the last time USA supported Russia- Russia of Czar, Soviet or post Soviet?

    They support, for Poland does American bidding . Its march to Iraq war , support for rendition program, black CIA sites for few bucks prove that its a country that has same moral spine as that of any other country

    I judge a country’s “moral spine” by the behavior of its population. By that standard, Russia is simply not in the same league as Poland. Indeed, it even compares poorly to the USA.

    Poland seeks an alliance with the USA because it is too small to be a power on its own, and for legitimate historical reasons it doesn’t trust Western Europe and it is afraid of Russia. So, it seeks an alliance with the USA. This is why is was involved in the Iraq war tragedy. And while the USA’s involvement in the middle east has been awful, there are many people far more worthy of pity than the Islamists who found their way into the CIA blacksites.

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    I got it . Polish people have spine and are noble . Is it some kind of new thingie in the international diplomatic market?
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  • HA says:
    @Kiza
    Bondsteel military airbase and Pristina Airport in Kosovo are strategic bases for the US control of the South Easter Europe. Kosovo Albanians, being predominantly Muslim, have the highest birth rate in Europe and their poverty is matching their birth rate. Why would US inherit the Kosovo poor for the sake of keeping military bases in the place? This is just another typical subterfuge by this character HA.

    The US never had any interest in making Kosovo a state of the US. Africa is full of US occupied places similar to Kosovo, and the US still does not make them the states of US. Instead, the US gave this large territory it separated from Serbia to Albania for several reasons:
    1) large Albanian population in the US, including Albanian drug mafia one of the most ruthless in the US (you will never see a movie about it),
    2) strategic position of the country of Albania, controlling the entrance into the Adriatic sea, the warm water sea which goes the deepest into the European continent (Venice & Trieste ports),
    3) high mineral resources in Kosovo, now available to Western companies for exploitation,
    4) Serbian image as Russian oriented (a valid image).

    In summary, the US was happy to drop a new army base and use an existing Serbian airport in Kosovo, after bombing Serbia to take 15% of its territory away, but not happy to get involved in Kosovo's huge social problems. Kosovo is currently the biggest European source of illegal migrants into EU (excluding North Africans). They travel through Serbia to Hungary, and the EU member Hungary is now planning to build a wall/fence against such migrants illegally crossing into Hungary.

    “Bondsteel military airbase and Pristina Airport in Kosovo are strategic bases for the US control of the South Easter Europe.”

    Yeah, the jewel in the American crown, designed to safeguard SouthEastern Europe, from what, those NATO bases in Turkey maybe?

    In other words, forget Israel, forget China, forget AlQuaeda. What the US is really worried about is a secure South Eastern Europe.

    “3) high mineral resources in Kosovo, now available to Western companies for exploitation,”

    Let’s see some numbers. How much are these mineral resources worth, how much of them have rolled into Western companies that would otherwise have remained off limits, given that even Serbia is trying to join the EU?

    “In summary, the US was happy to drop a new army base and use an existing Serbian airport in Kosovo, after bombing Serbia to take 15% of its territory away, but not happy to get involved in Kosovo’s huge social problems. “

    Because the Serbs did such a lovely job of taking care of Kosovo’s social problems all by themselves. Ah, the good old days.

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    One point is sufficient to cover your whole comment:
    How many Kosovo Albanians were illegal migrants when Kosovo was part of Serbia, how many are illegal migrants now? In other words, when was life better? Answer: about 5x more people are living Kosovo now.

    This is exactly why a small percentage of Albanians was committed to remaining in Serbia, but the US and Germany supported and trained KLA terrorists, who killed opponents, extracted their body organs and sold them to the back market in Germany and Israel. Thus, the victims of the organ trade that KLA ran were both the Serbian and the Albanian war prisoners. But KLA had strong links with Albanian drug mafia in the US and in EU, and Albanian mafia poured money into the deeply corrupt (rotten) Western political system and media. This is how you buy yourself the services of the US rent-a-military (to bomb for non-US interests).

    Why does US need South-Eastern Europe? The US, together with its EU puppet, just killed the Russian South Stream gas pipeline using the stupid and totally corrupt Bulgaria. Russia then tried to build an alternative route through Turkey, Greece, Macedonia and Serbia, but the US created a color revolution in Macedonia to prevent this. The US military base Bondsteel is there to prepare Albanian terrorist groups and launch their raids into Macedonia and Serbia, if and when a need for this arises. If Russia somehow succeeds building the new pipeline, these raids will target the pipeline, about 100 km away from the Bondsteel base.

    Finally, the regime in Serbia is US+EU appointed, most MSM are owned by Germany and this is why the EU is sold to Serbians as no-alternative. Seriously, they even use this exact expression in their brainwashing MSM propaganda: "There is no-alternative to joining the EU". Naturally, the corrupt Serbian elite is keen to join the EU because it will become the technocracy in firm control of the country, as all Western client regimes do.

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  • @denk
    …outright annexation is so yesterday,…

    *Ah, would that were true. Alas, someone in Moscow, not to mention Sevastopol, apparently didn’t get your memo*

    im on murikkan imperialism.
    since when has moscow, the object of your derision, becomes the moral standard for the unitedsnake, that alleged *flag bearer for western democrazy* ?

    im on murikkan imperialism….the moral standard for the unitedsnake, that alleged *flag bearer for western democrazy* ?

    How much glue does one have to sniff before one can write something like this? I’m guessing it would take at least a few hits just to parse it, so I think we’ll have to end it there.

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    *How much glue does one have to sniff before one can write something like this?
    I’m guessing it would take at least a few hits just to parse it,*

    u made a very lame attempt to deflect the discussion on murkkan imperialism in kosovo etc. to your perceived russian trangression in ukraine.
    willlfully obtuse eh ?


    *so I think we’ll have to end it there.*

    u should've cut it out earlier instead of making a fool of yourself.
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  • HA says:
    @denk
    i see u cant refute the points made by flounders
    but launch a personal attack instead.
    +ad hominem is the last resort of a........+

    *By the way, here’s a photo of her. *

    jeeze, you spend all your time doing this ?

    “i see u cant refute the points made by flounders”

    cant i? You call Kosovo a colony? Where’s the oil, where’s the resources, where’s the rich deposits now flowing into America’s banks that will begin to offset the costs of that misbegotten operation? Do you even know what colony actually means, or do you toss out words like that in order to get your voter base agitated?

    Dumping a worthless link onto a comment and pretending you’ve presented points that need to be refuted is not an argument worth taking seriously. If “u cant” be bothered to provide actual arguments (or type actual English, apparently), leave me to glean whatever else I can from the array of experts your ilk surrounds yourself with, given that people like Cagey Beast find that more relevant anyway..

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    *cant i? You call Kosovo a colony? Where’s the oil, where’s the resources, where’s the rich deposits now flowing into America’s banks that will begin to offset the costs of that misbegotten operation? Do you even know what colony actually means, or do you toss out words like that in order to get your voter base agitated?

    do u even know whats *de facto* ?
    +First, Kosovo is not gaining independence or even minimal self-government. It will be run by an appointed High Representative and bodies appointed by the U.S., European Union and NATO. An old-style colonial viceroy and imperialist administrators will have control over foreign and domestic policy. U.S. imperialism has merely consolidated its direct control of a totally dependent colony in the heart of the Balkans.+

    u dont like the word *colony* ?
    , shall we settle for *kosovo is a de facto murikkan 51 state* ?

    p.s.
    you may add the *five eyes*, jp, sk, ph, to the list !
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  • KA says:
    @AP
    Russia has been improving in these areas since the 90's. The homicide rate peaked in 1994 and spiked again in 2002; it was even higher than among African-Americans at those times.

    But despite the improvement, as we have seen, it is still quite immoral and it will take a long time before Russia reaches the USA's level . ..and probably it will never reach Poland's level. Think of Russia as the sincerely reforming violent alcoholic who quotes the Bible now, who only binge drinks 4 days a week instead of daily, and who beats his wife only every other week now. Sure, there is improvement, but he's still hardly a hero, or someone to look up to. And the fact that he's quoting the Bible and saying nice things more than anyone else doesn't change that.


    Is Russia being supported at a cost to Poland by the neocon
     
    Neocons hate Russia. For this reason, many conservatives, who have legitimate gripes with neocons, give knee-jerk support to Russia, even in those cases (Ukraine) where Russia is in conflict with some real and genuinely conservative places. It is quite unfortunate for some to argue that moral peoples ought to be placed under debauched Russia's sphere of influence.

    USA both the neocons and the liberal support Poland not out of fellow feeling,or for same moral stand or for abysmal immoral common attitudevThey support, for Poland does American bidding . Its march to Iraq war , support for rendition program, black CIA sites for few bucks prove that its a country that has same moral spine as that of any other country among the coalition of the willing.
    And what has happened out of that the knee jerk support from the regular conservatives to Russia? Nada. Nothing.
    When was the last time USA supported Russia- Russia of Czar, Soviet or post Soviet?

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    They support, for Poland does American bidding . Its march to Iraq war , support for rendition program, black CIA sites for few bucks prove that its a country that has same moral spine as that of any other country
     
    I judge a country's "moral spine" by the behavior of its population. By that standard, Russia is simply not in the same league as Poland. Indeed, it even compares poorly to the USA.

    Poland seeks an alliance with the USA because it is too small to be a power on its own, and for legitimate historical reasons it doesn't trust Western Europe and it is afraid of Russia. So, it seeks an alliance with the USA. This is why is was involved in the Iraq war tragedy. And while the USA's involvement in the middle east has been awful, there are many people far more worthy of pity than the Islamists who found their way into the CIA blacksites.
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  • AP says:
    @KA
    Thanks. But what was the statistics in 1990 or in 2000?
    Is Russia being supported at a cost to Poland by the neocon?
    I am sure you have the facts. Can you share please?

    By the way
    - there is this article in Int Herald Tribune -Jan 13, 2001- " Gusinsky case worries Albright"
    Albright excoriates Putin government for bringing criminal charges against media giant Valdimir Gusinsky .
    Nothing has changed. Liberal interventionist and neocon warmongers have much more in common than what they would like people to think

    Russia has been improving in these areas since the 90′s. The homicide rate peaked in 1994 and spiked again in 2002; it was even higher than among African-Americans at those times.

    But despite the improvement, as we have seen, it is still quite immoral and it will take a long time before Russia reaches the USA’s level . ..and probably it will never reach Poland’s level. Think of Russia as the sincerely reforming violent alcoholic who quotes the Bible now, who only binge drinks 4 days a week instead of daily, and who beats his wife only every other week now. Sure, there is improvement, but he’s still hardly a hero, or someone to look up to. And the fact that he’s quoting the Bible and saying nice things more than anyone else doesn’t change that.

    Is Russia being supported at a cost to Poland by the neocon

    Neocons hate Russia. For this reason, many conservatives, who have legitimate gripes with neocons, give knee-jerk support to Russia, even in those cases (Ukraine) where Russia is in conflict with some real and genuinely conservative places. It is quite unfortunate for some to argue that moral peoples ought to be placed under debauched Russia’s sphere of influence.

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    USA both the neocons and the liberal support Poland not out of fellow feeling,or for same moral stand or for abysmal immoral common attitudevThey support, for Poland does American bidding . Its march to Iraq war , support for rendition program, black CIA sites for few bucks prove that its a country that has same moral spine as that of any other country among the coalition of the willing.
    And what has happened out of that the knee jerk support from the regular conservatives to Russia? Nada. Nothing.
    When was the last time USA supported Russia- Russia of Czar, Soviet or post Soviet?
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  • denk says:
    @HA
    "...outright annexation is so yesterday,..."

    Ah, would that were true. Alas, someone in Moscow, not to mention Sevastopol, apparently didn't get your memo or update their OS. Or else, you're less clued in on how the world works than you think. In any case, try focusing your efforts on bringing those so-yesterday folk up to date, and maybe we'll all be better off.

    I wonder if Sara Flounder was one of the international observers in the Crimea elections? Kind of seems like the type, if you ask me.

    …outright annexation is so yesterday,…

    *Ah, would that were true. Alas, someone in Moscow, not to mention Sevastopol, apparently didn’t get your memo*

    im on murikkan imperialism.
    since when has moscow, the object of your derision, becomes the moral standard for the unitedsnake, that alleged *flag bearer for western democrazy* ?

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    im on murikkan imperialism....the moral standard for the unitedsnake, that alleged *flag bearer for western democrazy* ?

    How much glue does one have to sniff before one can write something like this? I'm guessing it would take at least a few hits just to parse it, so I think we'll have to end it there.

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  • @HA
    "kosovo is a *de facto* colony,..."

    And war is peace, and freedom is slavery.

    More on Sara Flounders, the author of the piece you linked to:


    Sara Flounders... has been active in 'progressive' and anti-war organizing since the 1960s. She is a member of the Secretariat of Workers World Party.... She works on legal defense efforts for Dr. Aafia Siddiqui, Lynne Stewart, Mumia Abu-Jamal, and other alleged political prisoners.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Flounders

    Do the searches on Mumia Abu-Jamal and Lynne Stewart yourself. Draw your own conclusions regarding the "political prisoners" she works for.

    By the way, here's a photo of her.

    http://theiranproject.com/blog/tag/sara-flounders/

    Run it by Cagey Beast and the immigrant from former USSR. They're apparently able to draw all sorts of conclusions from that kind of thing.

    i see u cant refute the points made by flounders
    but launch a personal attack instead.
    +ad hominem is the last resort of a……..+

    *By the way, here’s a photo of her. *

    jeeze, you spend all your time doing this ?

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    "i see u cant refute the points made by flounders"

    cant i? You call Kosovo a colony? Where's the oil, where's the resources, where's the rich deposits now flowing into America's banks that will begin to offset the costs of that misbegotten operation? Do you even know what colony actually means, or do you toss out words like that in order to get your voter base agitated?

    Dumping a worthless link onto a comment and pretending you've presented points that need to be refuted is not an argument worth taking seriously. If "u cant" be bothered to provide actual arguments (or type actual English, apparently), leave me to glean whatever else I can from the array of experts your ilk surrounds yourself with, given that people like Cagey Beast find that more relevant anyway..

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  • KA says:
    @AP

    Now Russia follows the Orthodox line on many social issues
     
    In official rhetoric, yes. In actual social behavior - no, not even close. Russia is much worse even than the gay-loving modern USA.

    Comparing Russia to the USA, Russia's nemesis Poland and to the country in conflict with Russia, whom some misguided conservatives oppose in favor of supporting Russia:

    Divorce rate (2011-2010):
    Russia: 51%
    Ukraine: 42%
    Poland: 27%
    USA: 53%

    % of people who never go to church (2008):
    Russia: 30%-40% (same as Sweden and Germany)
    Ukraine: 10%-20%
    Poland: <10%

    % of pregnancies that end in abortion:
    Russia (2014): 29.3%
    Ukraine (2010): 21.2%
    Poland (2012): 1.95%
    USA (2011): 16.9%

    Homicide rate:

    Russia (2012): 9.2
    Ukraine(2010): 4.3
    Poland (2011): 1.2
    USA: (2012): 4.7

    Adult HIV prevalence (2011, according to WHO):
    Russia: 1.1%
    Ukraine: .9%
    Poland: .1%
    USA: .6%

    Percentage of adults of reproductive age living together unmarried:

    Russia: 9%
    USA: 9%
    Poland: 4%

    Keep in mind that USA rates are all skewed by certain subpopulations that, actually, may resemble Russians. Ukraine rates are also skewed - the pro-Russian eastern provinces are even worse than Russia when it comes to abortion rates, HIV rate, etc., whereas Russia's bitter enemies in the Western parts of Ukraine lead generally moral lives.

    If western conservatives really wanted to adopt a conservative country it would be Poland, but that would mean being on the same side as neocons on something. It's about priorities I suppose.

    Thanks. But what was the statistics in 1990 or in 2000?
    Is Russia being supported at a cost to Poland by the neocon?
    I am sure you have the facts. Can you share please?

    By the way
    – there is this article in Int Herald Tribune -Jan 13, 2001- ” Gusinsky case worries Albright”
    Albright excoriates Putin government for bringing criminal charges against media giant Valdimir Gusinsky .
    Nothing has changed. Liberal interventionist and neocon warmongers have much more in common than what they would like people to think

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    Russia has been improving in these areas since the 90's. The homicide rate peaked in 1994 and spiked again in 2002; it was even higher than among African-Americans at those times.

    But despite the improvement, as we have seen, it is still quite immoral and it will take a long time before Russia reaches the USA's level . ..and probably it will never reach Poland's level. Think of Russia as the sincerely reforming violent alcoholic who quotes the Bible now, who only binge drinks 4 days a week instead of daily, and who beats his wife only every other week now. Sure, there is improvement, but he's still hardly a hero, or someone to look up to. And the fact that he's quoting the Bible and saying nice things more than anyone else doesn't change that.


    Is Russia being supported at a cost to Poland by the neocon
     
    Neocons hate Russia. For this reason, many conservatives, who have legitimate gripes with neocons, give knee-jerk support to Russia, even in those cases (Ukraine) where Russia is in conflict with some real and genuinely conservative places. It is quite unfortunate for some to argue that moral peoples ought to be placed under debauched Russia's sphere of influence.
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  • Kiza says:
    @Seraphim
    @Kurdistan or Kosovo become state #51. *

    Kurdistan is to become a resurrected Kingdom of Adiabene, the ancient kingdom which flourished on the same grounds whose ruling dynasty converted to Judaism in the 1st Century AD, helping the revolt of Judaea against the Romans. It means today a vassal state of Israel.

    Bondsteel military airbase and Pristina Airport in Kosovo are strategic bases for the US control of the South Easter Europe. Kosovo Albanians, being predominantly Muslim, have the highest birth rate in Europe and their poverty is matching their birth rate. Why would US inherit the Kosovo poor for the sake of keeping military bases in the place? This is just another typical subterfuge by this character HA.

    The US never had any interest in making Kosovo a state of the US. Africa is full of US occupied places similar to Kosovo, and the US still does not make them the states of US. Instead, the US gave this large territory it separated from Serbia to Albania for several reasons:
    1) large Albanian population in the US, including Albanian drug mafia one of the most ruthless in the US (you will never see a movie about it),
    2) strategic position of the country of Albania, controlling the entrance into the Adriatic sea, the warm water sea which goes the deepest into the European continent (Venice & Trieste ports),
    3) high mineral resources in Kosovo, now available to Western companies for exploitation,
    4) Serbian image as Russian oriented (a valid image).

    In summary, the US was happy to drop a new army base and use an existing Serbian airport in Kosovo, after bombing Serbia to take 15% of its territory away, but not happy to get involved in Kosovo’s huge social problems. Kosovo is currently the biggest European source of illegal migrants into EU (excluding North Africans). They travel through Serbia to Hungary, and the EU member Hungary is now planning to build a wall/fence against such migrants illegally crossing into Hungary.

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    "Bondsteel military airbase and Pristina Airport in Kosovo are strategic bases for the US control of the South Easter Europe."

    Yeah, the jewel in the American crown, designed to safeguard SouthEastern Europe, from what, those NATO bases in Turkey maybe?

    In other words, forget Israel, forget China, forget AlQuaeda. What the US is really worried about is a secure South Eastern Europe.

    "3) high mineral resources in Kosovo, now available to Western companies for exploitation,"

    Let's see some numbers. How much are these mineral resources worth, how much of them have rolled into Western companies that would otherwise have remained off limits, given that even Serbia is trying to join the EU?


    "In summary, the US was happy to drop a new army base and use an existing Serbian airport in Kosovo, after bombing Serbia to take 15% of its territory away, but not happy to get involved in Kosovo’s huge social problems. "

    Because the Serbs did such a lovely job of taking care of Kosovo's social problems all by themselves. Ah, the good old days.

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  • HA says:
    @denk
    *I don’t know what r2plunder is, but call me when Kurdistan or Kosovo become state #51. *

    kosovo is a *de facto* colony,
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/washington-gets-a-new-colony-in-the-balkans/
    the same template was applied to iraq, afghan , libya, they've been gunning for syria for yrs now.

    outright annexation is so yesterday, this is how the empire works these days..
    take over a country by color rev/engineered uprising/shock and awe, appoint a *viceroy* to do washington's bidding, announce *mission accomplished*.

    p.s.
    shock !
    u've never heard of the r2p[rotect] invoked in libya, syria ?
    kosovo was the mother of all r2[plunder] scams.

    “…outright annexation is so yesterday,…”

    Ah, would that were true. Alas, someone in Moscow, not to mention Sevastopol, apparently didn’t get your memo or update their OS. Or else, you’re less clued in on how the world works than you think. In any case, try focusing your efforts on bringing those so-yesterday folk up to date, and maybe we’ll all be better off.

    I wonder if Sara Flounder was one of the international observers in the Crimea elections? Kind of seems like the type, if you ask me.

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    …outright annexation is so yesterday,…

    *Ah, would that were true. Alas, someone in Moscow, not to mention Sevastopol, apparently didn’t get your memo*

    im on murikkan imperialism.
    since when has moscow, the object of your derision, becomes the moral standard for the unitedsnake, that alleged *flag bearer for western democrazy* ?
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  • @Kurdistan or Kosovo become state #51. *

    Kurdistan is to become a resurrected Kingdom of Adiabene, the ancient kingdom which flourished on the same grounds whose ruling dynasty converted to Judaism in the 1st Century AD, helping the revolt of Judaea against the Romans. It means today a vassal state of Israel.

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    • Replies: @Kiza
    Bondsteel military airbase and Pristina Airport in Kosovo are strategic bases for the US control of the South Easter Europe. Kosovo Albanians, being predominantly Muslim, have the highest birth rate in Europe and their poverty is matching their birth rate. Why would US inherit the Kosovo poor for the sake of keeping military bases in the place? This is just another typical subterfuge by this character HA.

    The US never had any interest in making Kosovo a state of the US. Africa is full of US occupied places similar to Kosovo, and the US still does not make them the states of US. Instead, the US gave this large territory it separated from Serbia to Albania for several reasons:
    1) large Albanian population in the US, including Albanian drug mafia one of the most ruthless in the US (you will never see a movie about it),
    2) strategic position of the country of Albania, controlling the entrance into the Adriatic sea, the warm water sea which goes the deepest into the European continent (Venice & Trieste ports),
    3) high mineral resources in Kosovo, now available to Western companies for exploitation,
    4) Serbian image as Russian oriented (a valid image).

    In summary, the US was happy to drop a new army base and use an existing Serbian airport in Kosovo, after bombing Serbia to take 15% of its territory away, but not happy to get involved in Kosovo's huge social problems. Kosovo is currently the biggest European source of illegal migrants into EU (excluding North Africans). They travel through Serbia to Hungary, and the EU member Hungary is now planning to build a wall/fence against such migrants illegally crossing into Hungary.

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  • AP says:
    @KA
    At one time Kremlin was called " evil" and " godless " by Neocon members in Reagan administration. Kremlin wasn't tolerant of Christianity or Islam or Buddhism back in those days .
    Now Rusdia follows the Orthodox line on many social issues . Neocon finds that anachronistic ,regressive,and somehow expressive of sinister Russian game plan.

    Ths on the surface might look very contradictory and inconsistent. But empires survive by not only expanding the space and the legal definition of various activities , but also by inverting previous moral concept and replacing old values with new .

    Gay marriage and LGBT issue could be a good political tool in future against China or Russia or Iran.

    In America if a real nationwide poll were conducted ,there would be a wall separating the Mexican town and villages from US ,there would be no support for gay marriage and neither for indiscriminate abortion. Neither there would be support for warmongering or foreign entanglement .

    One wonders how the myth of popular support were created for sexual issues but totally abandoned when the issues of war and health care access were involved . It takes 1 month to start war,7 days to impose sanction on other countries and it takes 2 yrs for health care reform . It takes decades to address education and student debt. Still nothing gets done.

    Now Russia follows the Orthodox line on many social issues

    In official rhetoric, yes. In actual social behavior – no, not even close. Russia is much worse even than the gay-loving modern USA.

    Comparing Russia to the USA, Russia’s nemesis Poland and to the country in conflict with Russia, whom some misguided conservatives oppose in favor of supporting Russia:

    Divorce rate (2011-2010):
    Russia: 51%
    Ukraine: 42%
    Poland: 27%
    USA: 53%

    % of people who never go to church (2008):
    Russia: 30%-40% (same as Sweden and Germany)
    Ukraine: 10%-20%
    Poland: <10%

    % of pregnancies that end in abortion:
    Russia (2014): 29.3%
    Ukraine (2010): 21.2%
    Poland (2012): 1.95%
    USA (2011): 16.9%

    Homicide rate:

    Russia (2012): 9.2
    Ukraine(2010): 4.3
    Poland (2011): 1.2
    USA: (2012): 4.7

    Adult HIV prevalence (2011, according to WHO):
    Russia: 1.1%
    Ukraine: .9%
    Poland: .1%
    USA: .6%

    Percentage of adults of reproductive age living together unmarried:

    Russia: 9%
    USA: 9%
    Poland: 4%

    Keep in mind that USA rates are all skewed by certain subpopulations that, actually, may resemble Russians. Ukraine rates are also skewed – the pro-Russian eastern provinces are even worse than Russia when it comes to abortion rates, HIV rate, etc., whereas Russia's bitter enemies in the Western parts of Ukraine lead generally moral lives.

    If western conservatives really wanted to adopt a conservative country it would be Poland, but that would mean being on the same side as neocons on something. It's about priorities I suppose.

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    Thanks. But what was the statistics in 1990 or in 2000?
    Is Russia being supported at a cost to Poland by the neocon?
    I am sure you have the facts. Can you share please?

    By the way
    - there is this article in Int Herald Tribune -Jan 13, 2001- " Gusinsky case worries Albright"
    Albright excoriates Putin government for bringing criminal charges against media giant Valdimir Gusinsky .
    Nothing has changed. Liberal interventionist and neocon warmongers have much more in common than what they would like people to think
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  • HA says: • Website
    @Cagey Beast
    Hey, this letter from US Senator Dick Durbin to the Ukrainian Prime Minister is cool: http://thesaker.is/you-think-the-ukraine-is-independent-think-again/

    It's neat to see the US Senate chosing Yatsenyuk's cabinet for him. Now that's a good example of how to "think global, act local".

    The relevant question is whether the bureaucrats that Durbin and his ilk manage tor eject result in a government that is less corrupt government than the one that preceded them. I’m not sure how that will play out, and there is good reason to be suspicious, but given the level corruption Ukraine attained throughout the decades under Moscow’s shadow, I can see why some Ukrainians might think that even an entity as corrupt as the US congress might be a relative improvement.

    Another relevant question is what happens if Poroshenko ignores Durbin’s letter. Will tanks roll in from points West to carve up his country further?

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  • HA says:
    @denk
    *I don’t know what r2plunder is, but call me when Kurdistan or Kosovo become state #51. *

    kosovo is a *de facto* colony,
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/washington-gets-a-new-colony-in-the-balkans/
    the same template was applied to iraq, afghan , libya, they've been gunning for syria for yrs now.

    outright annexation is so yesterday, this is how the empire works these days..
    take over a country by color rev/engineered uprising/shock and awe, appoint a *viceroy* to do washington's bidding, announce *mission accomplished*.

    p.s.
    shock !
    u've never heard of the r2p[rotect] invoked in libya, syria ?
    kosovo was the mother of all r2[plunder] scams.

    “kosovo is a *de facto* colony,…”

    And war is peace, and freedom is slavery.

    More on Sara Flounders, the author of the piece you linked to:

    Sara Flounders… has been active in ‘progressive’ and anti-war organizing since the 1960s. She is a member of the Secretariat of Workers World Party…. She works on legal defense efforts for Dr. Aafia Siddiqui, Lynne Stewart, Mumia Abu-Jamal, and other alleged political prisoners.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Flounders

    Do the searches on Mumia Abu-Jamal and Lynne Stewart yourself. Draw your own conclusions regarding the “political prisoners” she works for.

    By the way, here’s a photo of her.

    http://theiranproject.com/blog/tag/sara-flounders/

    Run it by Cagey Beast and the immigrant from former USSR. They’re apparently able to draw all sorts of conclusions from that kind of thing.

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    i see u cant refute the points made by flounders
    but launch a personal attack instead.
    +ad hominem is the last resort of a........+

    *By the way, here’s a photo of her. *

    jeeze, you spend all your time doing this ?
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  • Hey, this letter from US Senator Dick Durbin to the Ukrainian Prime Minister is cool: http://thesaker.is/you-think-the-ukraine-is-independent-think-again/

    It’s neat to see the US Senate chosing Yatsenyuk’s cabinet for him. Now that’s a good example of how to “think global, act local”.

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    • Replies: @HA
    The relevant question is whether the bureaucrats that Durbin and his ilk manage tor eject result in a government that is less corrupt government than the one that preceded them. I'm not sure how that will play out, and there is good reason to be suspicious, but given the level corruption Ukraine attained throughout the decades under Moscow's shadow, I can see why some Ukrainians might think that even an entity as corrupt as the US congress might be a relative improvement.

    Another relevant question is what happens if Poroshenko ignores Durbin's letter. Will tanks roll in from points West to carve up his country further?
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  • denk says:
    @HA
    "the genocidal war on iraq was launched under the wmd bs"

    I don't know what r2plunder is, but call me when Kurdistan or Kosovo become state #51.

    If putting together a color rev with swarming adolescents is so easy, maybe Putin should try it. He could take over all of Ukraine, fold it into his neo-Soviet Eurasian Union thing just like Belorussia, and no one would care. As it is, he chose to send in tanks and redraw maps, and so here we are.

    *I don’t know what r2plunder is, but call me when Kurdistan or Kosovo become state #51. *

    kosovo is a *de facto* colony,

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/washington-gets-a-new-colony-in-the-balkans/

    the same template was applied to iraq, afghan , libya, they’ve been gunning for syria for yrs now.

    outright annexation is so yesterday, this is how the empire works these days..
    take over a country by color rev/engineered uprising/shock and awe, appoint a *viceroy* to do washington’s bidding, announce *mission accomplished*.

    p.s.
    shock !
    u’ve never heard of the r2p[rotect] invoked in libya, syria ?
    kosovo was the mother of all r2[plunder] scams.

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    "kosovo is a *de facto* colony,..."

    And war is peace, and freedom is slavery.

    More on Sara Flounders, the author of the piece you linked to:


    Sara Flounders... has been active in 'progressive' and anti-war organizing since the 1960s. She is a member of the Secretariat of Workers World Party.... She works on legal defense efforts for Dr. Aafia Siddiqui, Lynne Stewart, Mumia Abu-Jamal, and other alleged political prisoners.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Flounders

    Do the searches on Mumia Abu-Jamal and Lynne Stewart yourself. Draw your own conclusions regarding the "political prisoners" she works for.

    By the way, here's a photo of her.

    http://theiranproject.com/blog/tag/sara-flounders/

    Run it by Cagey Beast and the immigrant from former USSR. They're apparently able to draw all sorts of conclusions from that kind of thing.

    , @HA
    "...outright annexation is so yesterday,..."

    Ah, would that were true. Alas, someone in Moscow, not to mention Sevastopol, apparently didn't get your memo or update their OS. Or else, you're less clued in on how the world works than you think. In any case, try focusing your efforts on bringing those so-yesterday folk up to date, and maybe we'll all be better off.

    I wonder if Sara Flounder was one of the international observers in the Crimea elections? Kind of seems like the type, if you ask me.

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  • @KA
    At one time Kremlin was called " evil" and " godless " by Neocon members in Reagan administration. Kremlin wasn't tolerant of Christianity or Islam or Buddhism back in those days .
    Now Rusdia follows the Orthodox line on many social issues . Neocon finds that anachronistic ,regressive,and somehow expressive of sinister Russian game plan.

    Ths on the surface might look very contradictory and inconsistent. But empires survive by not only expanding the space and the legal definition of various activities , but also by inverting previous moral concept and replacing old values with new .

    Gay marriage and LGBT issue could be a good political tool in future against China or Russia or Iran.

    In America if a real nationwide poll were conducted ,there would be a wall separating the Mexican town and villages from US ,there would be no support for gay marriage and neither for indiscriminate abortion. Neither there would be support for warmongering or foreign entanglement .

    One wonders how the myth of popular support were created for sexual issues but totally abandoned when the issues of war and health care access were involved . It takes 1 month to start war,7 days to impose sanction on other countries and it takes 2 yrs for health care reform . It takes decades to address education and student debt. Still nothing gets done.

    At one time Kremlin was called ” evil” and ” godless ” by Neocon members in Reagan administration. Kremlin wasn’t tolerant of Christianity or Islam or Buddhism back in those days .
    Now Russia follows the Orthodox line on many social issues . Neocon finds that anachronistic ,regressive,and somehow expressive of sinister Russian game plan.

    Yes all true, and the same people who used to welcome anything from the Soviet Union now can’t stand anything from Russia. In 1985 they’d welcome an exhibit of Soviet folk art to their city but in 2015 they’d call for a boycott of an identical exhibit because the paintings are now Russian and not Soviet. It would be disgusting, anti-gay and pro-Putin art and not progressive Soviet art. Same paintings, same western “progressives’, different reaction.

    And Hillary Clinton proudly poses with Pussy Riot: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/07/hillary-clinton-poses-with-pussy-riot/

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  • KA says:
    @Cagey Beast
    This morning I heard in a Radio Free Europe podcast that Walter Russell Mead compared Russia's new wave of patriotism to a collective cocaine high. Mead's name rang a bell, so I looked up his image and his name at Amazon. He has what's called a "punchable face". His hot book is God and Gold: Britain, America, and the Making of the Modern World, which has two giant gold bricks in the shape of a cross on its cover. Looking at Mead's face and his book, and listening to Radio Free Europe talk about how Russia can't handle gay marriage like us, made me realize just what a vile and repulsive collection of people run the Anglosphere. I'm realizing more and more that we've been going down the wrong track for quite a while. Watching these people react to Russia being Russian and Orthodox Christian really helps a person realize this. Ezra Pound called our current regime "Yankee Judea" and they put him in a cage for it. He was right though.

    At one time Kremlin was called ” evil” and ” godless ” by Neocon members in Reagan administration. Kremlin wasn’t tolerant of Christianity or Islam or Buddhism back in those days .
    Now Rusdia follows the Orthodox line on many social issues . Neocon finds that anachronistic ,regressive,and somehow expressive of sinister Russian game plan.

    Ths on the surface might look very contradictory and inconsistent. But empires survive by not only expanding the space and the legal definition of various activities , but also by inverting previous moral concept and replacing old values with new .

    Gay marriage and LGBT issue could be a good political tool in future against China or Russia or Iran.

    In America if a real nationwide poll were conducted ,there would be a wall separating the Mexican town and villages from US ,there would be no support for gay marriage and neither for indiscriminate abortion. Neither there would be support for warmongering or foreign entanglement .

    One wonders how the myth of popular support were created for sexual issues but totally abandoned when the issues of war and health care access were involved . It takes 1 month to start war,7 days to impose sanction on other countries and it takes 2 yrs for health care reform . It takes decades to address education and student debt. Still nothing gets done.

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    At one time Kremlin was called ” evil” and ” godless ” by Neocon members in Reagan administration. Kremlin wasn’t tolerant of Christianity or Islam or Buddhism back in those days .
    Now Russia follows the Orthodox line on many social issues . Neocon finds that anachronistic ,regressive,and somehow expressive of sinister Russian game plan.

    Yes all true, and the same people who used to welcome anything from the Soviet Union now can't stand anything from Russia. In 1985 they'd welcome an exhibit of Soviet folk art to their city but in 2015 they'd call for a boycott of an identical exhibit because the paintings are now Russian and not Soviet. It would be disgusting, anti-gay and pro-Putin art and not progressive Soviet art. Same paintings, same western "progressives', different reaction.

    And Hillary Clinton proudly poses with Pussy Riot: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/07/hillary-clinton-poses-with-pussy-riot/

    , @AP

    Now Russia follows the Orthodox line on many social issues
     
    In official rhetoric, yes. In actual social behavior - no, not even close. Russia is much worse even than the gay-loving modern USA.

    Comparing Russia to the USA, Russia's nemesis Poland and to the country in conflict with Russia, whom some misguided conservatives oppose in favor of supporting Russia:

    Divorce rate (2011-2010):
    Russia: 51%
    Ukraine: 42%
    Poland: 27%
    USA: 53%

    % of people who never go to church (2008):
    Russia: 30%-40% (same as Sweden and Germany)
    Ukraine: 10%-20%
    Poland: <10%

    % of pregnancies that end in abortion:
    Russia (2014): 29.3%
    Ukraine (2010): 21.2%
    Poland (2012): 1.95%
    USA (2011): 16.9%

    Homicide rate:

    Russia (2012): 9.2
    Ukraine(2010): 4.3
    Poland (2011): 1.2
    USA: (2012): 4.7

    Adult HIV prevalence (2011, according to WHO):
    Russia: 1.1%
    Ukraine: .9%
    Poland: .1%
    USA: .6%

    Percentage of adults of reproductive age living together unmarried:

    Russia: 9%
    USA: 9%
    Poland: 4%

    Keep in mind that USA rates are all skewed by certain subpopulations that, actually, may resemble Russians. Ukraine rates are also skewed - the pro-Russian eastern provinces are even worse than Russia when it comes to abortion rates, HIV rate, etc., whereas Russia's bitter enemies in the Western parts of Ukraine lead generally moral lives.

    If western conservatives really wanted to adopt a conservative country it would be Poland, but that would mean being on the same side as neocons on something. It's about priorities I suppose.
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  • @Cagey Beast
    This morning I heard in a Radio Free Europe podcast that Walter Russell Mead compared Russia's new wave of patriotism to a collective cocaine high. Mead's name rang a bell, so I looked up his image and his name at Amazon. He has what's called a "punchable face". His hot book is God and Gold: Britain, America, and the Making of the Modern World, which has two giant gold bricks in the shape of a cross on its cover. Looking at Mead's face and his book, and listening to Radio Free Europe talk about how Russia can't handle gay marriage like us, made me realize just what a vile and repulsive collection of people run the Anglosphere. I'm realizing more and more that we've been going down the wrong track for quite a while. Watching these people react to Russia being Russian and Orthodox Christian really helps a person realize this. Ezra Pound called our current regime "Yankee Judea" and they put him in a cage for it. He was right though.

    Thank you for pointing my attention to a person named “Walter Russell Mead”.
    I never heard about him. When I looked via Google at his
    “рожу лица”,
    the well-known expression
    “морда кирпича просит”
    came to mind.
    For English-speaking readers: those expressions are not nice,
    but without any cursing words; can be spoken in the presence of children.
    In particular, second expression translates as “his face asks to be hit by a brick”.

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  • KA says:

    “It was also Kissinger who, quite candidly, said that terrorists were simply those who opposed the new world order imposed by the West. This is a chilling admission from an architect of U.S. foreign policy. Fortunately, it is a position that is being rejected by an increasingly large contingent of freethinking nations that refuse to be “talked into ultimatums.”

    http://beta.counterpunch.org/2015/07/03/going-off-script-in-st-petersburg/

    In the context of this rejuvenated rivalry between west and Russia- China ,its a matter of second that is all it takes to brand Russia and China as comintern new Bath Party, or al Quida or Taliban albeit with a different paint on the face.

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  • @Seamus Padraig
    Cagey, if you haven't heard of him already, you'd love The Saker. Here's one of his classic pieces defining and describing the peculiar historical phenomenon of 'Anglo-Zionism': http://thesaker.is/anglozionist-short-primer-for-the-newcomers/

    Yes I like the Saker generally. I bristled at first at his criticism of the western Christian tradition but I’m starting to see his point as I read up a little on Orthodoxy but that’s a whole other topic. The Saker’s thinking and Alain Soral’s overlap quite a bit. I find them both interesting.

    HA, there’s a video at YouTube you’d love. It’s got Putin riding a bear at the end and all sorts of stuff. You can find it by searching at YouTube for:
    Версия клипа от известного клипмейкера и продюсера Артёма Гришанова
    which translates as:
    ” Version of the clip from a famous music video Director and producer Artem Grishanova”

    It’s under the title: “Louna — Бойцовский клуба” or “Louna — Fight Club”, which is the name of the song. Check out the lyrics as well. They do match the mood of many in these troubled times:

    http://www.lyricsmania.com/fight_club_lyrics_louna.html

    Remember though, Masha Gessen loves us and wants us to be happy. So does Walter Russell Mead and so do they all. All the think-tankers and commentators want what we want and care about what we care about. Thank goodness they remind us of these facts all the time.

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  • HA says:
    @denk
    *For example, I don’t much like what was done to Iraq or Kosovo, but to compare the months of coalition building, UN inspectors, efforts to negotiate, etc., that preceded those misbegotten operations, with what happened in Crimea warrants exasperation.*

    why ?
    all are premeditated regime change campaigns.
    the genocidal war on iraq was launched under the wmd bs,
    the fraudulant r2plunder was invoked in the attack on ex yugo,
    ukraine was a standard color rev op using the tried and tested *swarming adolescents*.

    “the genocidal war on iraq was launched under the wmd bs”

    I don’t know what r2plunder is, but call me when Kurdistan or Kosovo become state #51.

    If putting together a color rev with swarming adolescents is so easy, maybe Putin should try it. He could take over all of Ukraine, fold it into his neo-Soviet Eurasian Union thing just like Belorussia, and no one would care. As it is, he chose to send in tanks and redraw maps, and so here we are.

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    *I don’t know what r2plunder is, but call me when Kurdistan or Kosovo become state #51. *

    kosovo is a *de facto* colony,
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/washington-gets-a-new-colony-in-the-balkans/
    the same template was applied to iraq, afghan , libya, they've been gunning for syria for yrs now.

    outright annexation is so yesterday, this is how the empire works these days..
    take over a country by color rev/engineered uprising/shock and awe, appoint a *viceroy* to do washington's bidding, announce *mission accomplished*.

    p.s.
    shock !
    u've never heard of the r2p[rotect] invoked in libya, syria ?
    kosovo was the mother of all r2[plunder] scams.
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  • @Cagey Beast
    This morning I heard in a Radio Free Europe podcast that Walter Russell Mead compared Russia's new wave of patriotism to a collective cocaine high. Mead's name rang a bell, so I looked up his image and his name at Amazon. He has what's called a "punchable face". His hot book is God and Gold: Britain, America, and the Making of the Modern World, which has two giant gold bricks in the shape of a cross on its cover. Looking at Mead's face and his book, and listening to Radio Free Europe talk about how Russia can't handle gay marriage like us, made me realize just what a vile and repulsive collection of people run the Anglosphere. I'm realizing more and more that we've been going down the wrong track for quite a while. Watching these people react to Russia being Russian and Orthodox Christian really helps a person realize this. Ezra Pound called our current regime "Yankee Judea" and they put him in a cage for it. He was right though.

    Cagey, if you haven’t heard of him already, you’d love The Saker. Here’s one of his classic pieces defining and describing the peculiar historical phenomenon of ‘Anglo-Zionism’: http://thesaker.is/anglozionist-short-primer-for-the-newcomers/

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    Yes I like the Saker generally. I bristled at first at his criticism of the western Christian tradition but I'm starting to see his point as I read up a little on Orthodoxy but that's a whole other topic. The Saker's thinking and Alain Soral's overlap quite a bit. I find them both interesting.

    HA, there's a video at YouTube you'd love. It's got Putin riding a bear at the end and all sorts of stuff. You can find it by searching at YouTube for:
    Версия клипа от известного клипмейкера и продюсера Артёма Гришанова
    which translates as:
    " Version of the clip from a famous music video Director and producer Artem Grishanova"

    It's under the title: "Louna — Бойцовский клуба" or "Louna -- Fight Club", which is the name of the song. Check out the lyrics as well. They do match the mood of many in these troubled times:

    http://www.lyricsmania.com/fight_club_lyrics_louna.html


    Remember though, Masha Gessen loves us and wants us to be happy. So does Walter Russell Mead and so do they all. All the think-tankers and commentators want what we want and care about what we care about. Thank goodness they remind us of these facts all the time.

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  • @Cagey Beast
    You may have a point. I was just having a look at the Wikipedia entry for C.S. Lewis' Abolition of Man and found a link to this page of Ayn Rand's raging and ravings in the margins of her copy of the book: http://www.lewisiana.nl/aynrand/index.htm

    Ayn Rand has that same tone and outlook you get from people like Masha Gessen and countless internet commentators. The poor Russians had to live with them for centuries.

    You have a big point. Don’t you think that Masha Gessen and Ayn Rand (aka Alisa Rosenbaum) look very much alike? A family air… They might have been relatives, after all.

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  • denk says:
    @HA
    "Why do all your comments have this sneering tone to them?"

    After that “Yankee Judea” rant, you're going to accuse me of sneering? Well, in that case, guilty as charged. I'm going to sneer right back, as far as that goes. As for claiming that I've sneered at anything else, I show exasperation when I feel it warranted. For example, I don't much like what was done to Iraq or Kosovo, but to compare the months of coalition building, UN inspectors, efforts to negotiate, etc., that preceded those misbegotten operations, with what happened in Crimea warrants exasperation. Same goes for the rest of my comments. If you or anyone else want to call it sneering or chutzpah (as if we don't know where that's going), let's just say I don't trust your interpretation of my motives any more than I trust your grand extrapolations of geopolitics based on a statue, or a politician's religious overtures, or a book cover, or on whatever it is that someone's "punch me" face has to do with anything, or for that matter, anything else you gullibly want to gulp down.

    *For example, I don’t much like what was done to Iraq or Kosovo, but to compare the months of coalition building, UN inspectors, efforts to negotiate, etc., that preceded those misbegotten operations, with what happened in Crimea warrants exasperation.*

    why ?
    all are premeditated regime change campaigns.
    the genocidal war on iraq was launched under the wmd bs,
    the fraudulant r2plunder was invoked in the attack on ex yugo,
    ukraine was a standard color rev op using the tried and tested *swarming adolescents*.

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    "the genocidal war on iraq was launched under the wmd bs"

    I don't know what r2plunder is, but call me when Kurdistan or Kosovo become state #51.

    If putting together a color rev with swarming adolescents is so easy, maybe Putin should try it. He could take over all of Ukraine, fold it into his neo-Soviet Eurasian Union thing just like Belorussia, and no one would care. As it is, he chose to send in tanks and redraw maps, and so here we are.
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  • @Seraphim
    @this sneering tone to them?

    This is the normal tone of the chutzpah.

    You may have a point. I was just having a look at the Wikipedia entry for C.S. Lewis’ Abolition of Man and found a link to this page of Ayn Rand’s raging and ravings in the margins of her copy of the book: http://www.lewisiana.nl/aynrand/index.htm

    Ayn Rand has that same tone and outlook you get from people like Masha Gessen and countless internet commentators. The poor Russians had to live with them for centuries.

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    You have a big point. Don't you think that Masha Gessen and Ayn Rand (aka Alisa Rosenbaum) look very much alike? A family air... They might have been relatives, after all.
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  • HA says:
    @Cagey Beast
    Still claiming to see all this “far more dispassionately than others do”? If so, maybe it is time to reconsider.

    Of course I see the Ukrainian-Russian crisis far more dispassionately than people with personal ethnic ties to the place and, of course, I lack that distance when discussing the Anglosphere in which I was born and raised. How could it be otherwise?

    It seems a tad hypocritical to be playing up the glories of one side while safely ensconced in “Yankee Judea”....

    Who says it's their English-speaking world and not mine? Why should I have to leave and they stay? Just because one branch, one cultural strain of Anglo culture has become a weed choking out all rivals does not mean the garden belongs to them. The nasty and grubby little men got the upper hand over the 20th century because they were hired by the very wealthy to propagate ideas that served their masters' purposes. The nature of mass media technology then gave them an unbeatable advantage over the rest of us. Walter Russell Mead looks to be the latest of the type that C.S. Lewis recognized and critiqued in his Men Without Chests and That Hideous Strength. Other men gave their warnings too but they were drowned out by the guys with the Megaphone. Thankfully that 20th century set-up is falling apart now.

    No, just because one faction, one mutated strain of Anglophone culture is currently ruining things does not mean they will keep on winning forever. Their repulsiveness and charmlessness is so pronounced that they can't even hide it like they used to. The rest of us can now bypass their old cultural choke-points and get a good sense of who and what they are.

    I guess you bungled the hypocrisy thing a while ago.

    Why do all your comments have this sneering tone to them? If we're all so stupid and duped then you should stop bothering with us and go get a job as governor of some Ukrainian region. Citizenship can be arranged on your first day at work.

    “Why do all your comments have this sneering tone to them?”

    After that “Yankee Judea” rant, you’re going to accuse me of sneering? Well, in that case, guilty as charged. I’m going to sneer right back, as far as that goes. As for claiming that I’ve sneered at anything else, I show exasperation when I feel it warranted. For example, I don’t much like what was done to Iraq or Kosovo, but to compare the months of coalition building, UN inspectors, efforts to negotiate, etc., that preceded those misbegotten operations, with what happened in Crimea warrants exasperation. Same goes for the rest of my comments. If you or anyone else want to call it sneering or chutzpah (as if we don’t know where that’s going), let’s just say I don’t trust your interpretation of my motives any more than I trust your grand extrapolations of geopolitics based on a statue, or a politician’s religious overtures, or a book cover, or on whatever it is that someone’s “punch me” face has to do with anything, or for that matter, anything else you gullibly want to gulp down.

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    *For example, I don’t much like what was done to Iraq or Kosovo, but to compare the months of coalition building, UN inspectors, efforts to negotiate, etc., that preceded those misbegotten operations, with what happened in Crimea warrants exasperation.*

    why ?
    all are premeditated regime change campaigns.
    the genocidal war on iraq was launched under the wmd bs,
    the fraudulant r2plunder was invoked in the attack on ex yugo,
    ukraine was a standard color rev op using the tried and tested *swarming adolescents*.
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  • @Cagey Beast
    Still claiming to see all this “far more dispassionately than others do”? If so, maybe it is time to reconsider.

    Of course I see the Ukrainian-Russian crisis far more dispassionately than people with personal ethnic ties to the place and, of course, I lack that distance when discussing the Anglosphere in which I was born and raised. How could it be otherwise?

    It seems a tad hypocritical to be playing up the glories of one side while safely ensconced in “Yankee Judea”....

    Who says it's their English-speaking world and not mine? Why should I have to leave and they stay? Just because one branch, one cultural strain of Anglo culture has become a weed choking out all rivals does not mean the garden belongs to them. The nasty and grubby little men got the upper hand over the 20th century because they were hired by the very wealthy to propagate ideas that served their masters' purposes. The nature of mass media technology then gave them an unbeatable advantage over the rest of us. Walter Russell Mead looks to be the latest of the type that C.S. Lewis recognized and critiqued in his Men Without Chests and That Hideous Strength. Other men gave their warnings too but they were drowned out by the guys with the Megaphone. Thankfully that 20th century set-up is falling apart now.

    No, just because one faction, one mutated strain of Anglophone culture is currently ruining things does not mean they will keep on winning forever. Their repulsiveness and charmlessness is so pronounced that they can't even hide it like they used to. The rest of us can now bypass their old cultural choke-points and get a good sense of who and what they are.

    I guess you bungled the hypocrisy thing a while ago.

    Why do all your comments have this sneering tone to them? If we're all so stupid and duped then you should stop bothering with us and go get a job as governor of some Ukrainian region. Citizenship can be arranged on your first day at work.

    @this sneering tone to them?

    This is the normal tone of the chutzpah.

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    You may have a point. I was just having a look at the Wikipedia entry for C.S. Lewis' Abolition of Man and found a link to this page of Ayn Rand's raging and ravings in the margins of her copy of the book: http://www.lewisiana.nl/aynrand/index.htm

    Ayn Rand has that same tone and outlook you get from people like Masha Gessen and countless internet commentators. The poor Russians had to live with them for centuries.
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  • @Bill

    As for American propaganda, I have no doubt the State Department has a significant number of flaks trying to sway Russian opinions. I just very much doubt they would waste their efforts on a site like this
     
    Right. Managing Anglosphere website comment boxes has been outsourced to the Israelis. Seems likely that much of the management of Russian comment boxes has been outsourced to the same place, given the high number of Russian speakers there.

    Website comment boxes are not important enough for CIA and State to bother with at this point. But, of course, these two organizations spent and spend an enormous amount of time and effort managing public opinion in foreign lands (and presumably in the US as well, though they don't brag much about this). If this place ever gets to be important, Ron Unz will get a visit from someone to explain to him that succeeding in spreading crimethink is dangerous, even for rich guys.

    @Managing Anglosphere website comment boxes has been outsourced to the Israelis

    You hit the nail! It was not that hard, if you can detect that special kind of humor (genre Sasha Baron Cohen) that give them away.

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  • Personally, I have no doubt that rt.com comments section is heavily infested by USUK government paid trolls, but really heavily. The Editor in Chief of RT, Margarita Simonyan, claims that there is a US military unit of a battalion size (several hundred) which works on RT. I am not sure how she knows and how true this is, but I have personally engaged some of these professional trolls and have become convinced that they were not amateurs (unemployed US people with too much time on their hands).

    There are several ways to recognize a pro, but I will list only two:
    1) The pros have “talking points” prepared by propaganda professionals, which they are tasked with delivering on the Internet; talking points always use the trigger words, such as the “annexation” etc, for which the population has already been conditioned through the MSM.
    2) Often they use sock-puppetry software, to attack opposite opinions and make it look as if the majority opinion is on their side; for example, unz.com recognizes sock puppetry, but its method of detection is no match for the professional sock-puppetry software developed by USUK using the unlimited tax-payers and/or printed money.

    On unz.com, I have seen several commentators employ #1, but there was only one amateur who tried #2 and got easily detected.

    BTW, online manipulation is a standard feat of the elite and the governments they control. Imagine investing so much into MSM and then leaving the online to freedom, would that make any sense at all? There was this online magazine which established recently that an Israeli lobby group paid a troll (a university student) to spew anti-semitism in its online comments, to discredit this online magazine which was not Israel-friendly. I think Mr Unz needs to be careful about the same, because extremist comments could be used to shut-down unz.com as well. When the Government goons knock on the door, they do not say: you gave too much freedom and a platform for criticizing the US-Gov policies, then they say your website is promoting anti-semitism, anti-gay, anti-something which is sanctionable by the standing law.

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