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    It was Shrove Tuesday, 1945 in the magnificent German art city of Dresden, which was packed with helpless Christian refugees fleeing the Red Army of the Stalinist USSR. Dresden’s native Lutheran and Catholic children, dressed in their festive Saxon folk costumes, were aboard a train taking them home after Mardi Gras parties at different points...
  • love & war, 0r eye for eye , Or when will u get the point .Hitler was was not blond haired or blue eyed, when u get caught for no left turn signal u get a ticket and insurance goes up, where i live your taxes go up when u improve your property, the people of Germany paid the price for being fem,looking the other way only improved the lives of those who looked the other way are you also looking the other way or you believe What Hitler did was correct? He chicken out by suicide , he knew and could not defend himself FEM

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    If Jews would stop jamming holocaust down the throats of Americans and, indeed, people around the world, I can think of dozens of things I’d rather think about and spend my time on, other than the obscene pornography of the capital-h holocaust.
     
    I see your point. Do you think that the efforts by revisionists make any difference? Do you think that Wally here has changed anybody's mind?

    I think CODOH is essential.

    It is absolutely essential that revisionist historians continue to pursue accurate history

    Accurate scholarship can
    Unearth the whole offence
    From Luther until now
    That has driven a culture mad,
    Find what occurred at Linz,
    What huge imago made
    A psychopathic god:
    I and the public know
    What all schoolchildren learn,
    Those to whom evil is done
    Do evil in return.

    The stanza is from W H Auden, September 1, 1939.
    About 30 years ago I started reading a biography of Hitler titled “Psychopathic God,” from the poem.

    I did not know what was meant by “imago” and how it related to a “psychopathic god;” but it seemed that the poet thought “accurate scholarship” could explain those things.

    Today — indeed, not since 1945 have the German people engaged in bulldozing other people’s houses and dropping white phosphorus on unarmed civilians trapped in effective concentration camps.

    So it’s not the Germans whose “huge imago made a psychopathic god.”

    American foreign policy and therefore global peace and cooperation depend on properly identifying “psychopathic gods.” That’s what revisionist historians try to do.

    nb. I used to live near a football stadium. On game days, every homeowner who has a space big enough to park a car offers it for sale ($35 to $200); there will be a guy with an orange flag trying to get people to park there.
    That’s what Wally does: he’s not the quarterback or the football game, he’s the guy with the orange flag that tries to get people to visit CODOH.

    I have tremendous respect for Germar Rudolf, who publishes holocaust revisionist history and the Inconvenient History portion of CODOH, https://www.inconvenienthistory.com but that’s not the only game in town: John Wear writes pretty important material on WearsWar, https://wearswar.wordpress.com

    The danger of NOT confronting the false narrative of holocaust and the bogus history of the world wars is incalculable.
    Croesus lost his nation when he got the oracle wrong.

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  • If Jews would stop jamming holocaust down the throats of Americans and, indeed, people around the world, I can think of dozens of things I’d rather think about and spend my time on, other than the obscene pornography of the capital-h holocaust.

    I see your point. Do you think that the efforts by revisionists make any difference? Do you think that Wally here has changed anybody’s mind?

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    I think CODOH is essential.

    It is absolutely essential that revisionist historians continue to pursue accurate history

    Accurate scholarship can
    Unearth the whole offence
    From Luther until now
    That has driven a culture mad,
    Find what occurred at Linz,
    What huge imago made
    A psychopathic god:
    I and the public know
    What all schoolchildren learn,
    Those to whom evil is done
    Do evil in return.


    The stanza is from W H Auden, September 1, 1939.
    About 30 years ago I started reading a biography of Hitler titled "Psychopathic God," from the poem.

    I did not know what was meant by "imago" and how it related to a "psychopathic god;" but it seemed that the poet thought "accurate scholarship" could explain those things.

    Today -- indeed, not since 1945 have the German people engaged in bulldozing other people's houses and dropping white phosphorus on unarmed civilians trapped in effective concentration camps.

    So it's not the Germans whose "huge imago made a psychopathic god."

    American foreign policy and therefore global peace and cooperation depend on properly identifying "psychopathic gods." That's what revisionist historians try to do.

    nb. I used to live near a football stadium. On game days, every homeowner who has a space big enough to park a car offers it for sale ($35 to $200); there will be a guy with an orange flag trying to get people to park there.
    That's what Wally does: he's not the quarterback or the football game, he's the guy with the orange flag that tries to get people to visit CODOH.

    I have tremendous respect for Germar Rudolf, who publishes holocaust revisionist history and the Inconvenient History portion of CODOH, https://www.inconvenienthistory.com but that's not the only game in town: John Wear writes pretty important material on WearsWar, https://wearswar.wordpress.com

    The danger of NOT confronting the false narrative of holocaust and the bogus history of the world wars is incalculable.
    Croesus lost his nation when he got the oracle wrong.
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  • @utu
    That Rudolf took his samples in crematoria has no impact on his ability to determine the level of the lethal dose. He did not do tests on animals so he has no basis to doubt the lethality of 300ppm in 1h which is the value based on universally accepted literature. The 300ppm stands until somebody do test on live animals to confirm it or disprove it. This is how science works.

    At this point the case of 300pm is closed and won't be reopened until somebody presents results from live animal test.
    ___________
    Why did you bring up testimony of a person like Kitty Hart? Testimonies of older ex prisoners and females in particular are notoriously inaccurate.

    Furthermore you realize that even if all testimonies claimed that gassing time took X minutes and you and your buddy Rudolf claimed that this is impossible if you were ever put on the witness stand the next question would be: So how many minutes, Mr. Witness, do you need? Is Y minutes (Y>X) enough? If so we stipulate that testimonies to gassing time of X minutes were probably inaccurate due to various reasons and further we stipulate that gassing took Y minutes and thus gassings has not been disproved. Then you and your buddy Rudolf would say, if it took Y minutes then the possible number of victims is lower by fraction Y/X. To which the answer would be: granted. Gassing took place but we agree with the Mr. Witness that number of gassed were likely lower than initially claimed. Thank you, Mr. Witness is free to go. Headlines in the newspaper next day: Gassing took place during Holocaust claims Mr. Witness, former Holocaust denier.

    You people are like children. You will be played and will not know when being hit. Sometimes I wonder if it is not the Jews who hired idiots like you guys to keep stirring the Holocaust story up so it stays in media. Hey Avram, It is ten years since Irving trial; it was kind of quiet for too long; let's bring up the idiot Wally or that Rudolf to the front pages and ridicule the deniers. How can we bait him to sue us? We will set it up. Don't worry. Hubris comes before the fall.

    utu:

    “You people are like children. You will be played and will not know when being hit. Sometimes I wonder if it is not the Jews who hired idiots like you guys to keep stirring the Holocaust story up so it stays in media. Hey Avram, It is ten years since Irving trial; it was kind of quiet for too long; let’s bring up the idiot Wally or that Rudolf to the front pages and ridicule the deniers. How can we bait him to sue us? We will set it up. Don’t worry. Hubris comes before the fall.”

    March 3, 2018 [i.e. yesterday]
    VOA News [i.e. US Taxdollars at work via State Department]

    https://www.voanews.com/a/holocaust-exhibit-shows-how-some-historic-imagery-had-malign-motives/4279201.html

    JERUSALEM — 
    Israel has opened a unique exhibition of Holocaust images to help people understand the contrasting motivations of photographers who documented the genocide, some nobly and others callously.
    Organizers at Yad Vashem, Israel’s official Holocaust memorial, say one of their goals is to show how some photographers manipulated the images for malign purposes — a practice that continues in the contemporary world. The Holocaust was the persecution and killings of 6 million Jews and other minorities by Nazi Germany and its allies in World War II.
    Yad Vashem’s “Flashes of Memory: Photography During the Holocaust” exhibition opened in January and will run throughout the year. It challenges visitors to think about who created the 1,500 photos on display, and why.
    {snip}
    “[We want them] to think and follow the eye of the photographer,” Shalev said. “But what is more important sometimes, [is to enter] the mind of the editor, who is manipulating, and doing whatever he needs and wants, according to his ideology, with the photograph.”
    Iran is one country whose leaders have drawn international criticism in recent years for manipulating Holocaust imagery either to downplay its significance or call it a myth. [in other words, Target Iran]
    Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei posted a video on his website in 2016, in which he said it was not clear whether the “core” of the Holocaust was a reality, as he showed pictures of Holocaust deniers whom he argued had been persecuted in the West.

    A few years ago, utu, I attended one of the IRMEA conferences (such as the one yesterday where Gideon Levy spoke — Ron Unz posted the video

    )
    At that conference, a 93-year old woman approached me and handed me a large flag of Palestine, and a handful of pamphlets. She told me that for the last decade or more she stood outside the Holocaust museum in Washington, DC to hand those pamphlets to the hundreds of busloads of tourists to the US tax-payer subsidized Israeli Holocaust propaganda center.
    She told me she is “too old to keep on doing it,” (wimp!), assessed me as young & vigorous (hah!), and asked me to take up her apostolate (that’s a Catholic word for tikun olam)

    If Jews would stop jamming holocaust down the throats of Americans and, indeed, people around the world, I can think of dozens of things I’d rather think about and spend my time on, other than the obscene pornography of the capital-h holocaust.

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  • Be advised and Be aware.

    http://www.noahidenews.com

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    And yet earlier on this thread here, he agreed that overall Polish losses were likely exaggerated. Not sure what his game is, but it’s definitely not a game worth playing.

    And yet earlier on this thread here, he agreed that overall Polish losses were likely exaggerated. Not sure what his game is, but it’s definitely not a game worth playing.

    The name of the game is Search for Truth. I am sure you have heard about “the truth.” The revisionism is supposed to be about it.

    One does not need to know nothing about WWII to suspect that the numbers are off and inflated on the winners side and reduced on losers side. During a war your own combat losses are minimized and enemy’s losses are maximized and the same in reverse is done with the civilian losses.

    Even in the case of seemingly not controversial American casualties during Korean War numbers were inflated by 50% until corrected in 2000.

    Death Miscount Etched Into History

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2000/06/25/death-miscount-etched-into-history/ab9d6830-b10d-429c-a3b0-cbdbaa3a23d1/?utm_term=.8fc5a27031c2

    President Clinton and veterans from across the nation will gather in somber remembrance this afternoon at the Korean War Veterans Memorial, where it is carved into stone that 54,246 Americans died in the war that began 50 years ago today.

    For decades, the number has been enshrined in almanacs, histories, memories and monuments, cited as proof of the war’s cost. But nearly one-third of those deaths–17,730–occurred elsewhere, often half a world away from Korea, in places ranging from the United States to Germany. The actual number of Americans killed in the Korean War theater of operations is 36,516, the Pentagon acknowledged this month.

    Here is another example. In WWII US Army Air Forces accounted for circa 1/3 of all American dead. But how many due to enemy’s actions?

    According to the AAF Statistical Digest, in less than four years (December 1941- August 1945), the US Army Air Forces lost 14,903 pilots, aircrew and assorted personnel plus 13,873 airplanes — inside the continental United States . They were the result of 52,651 aircraft accidents (6,039 involving fatalities) in 45 months.

    Almost 1,000 Army planes disappeared en route from the US to foreign locations. But an eye-watering 43,581 aircraft were lost overseas including 22,948 on combat missions (18,418 against the Western Axis) and 20,633 attributed to non-combat causes overseas.

    Did all of them get posthumous medals like the Korean Ward dead who died of flue in Kansas?

    Veterans still battling 1973 fire that wiped out millions of service records

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/08/veterans-still-fighting-for-va-benefits-recall-173-fire-that-erased-millions.html

    At this point we may not hope that any corrections will be done by Russians or Poles or Jews or by Germans. If time will come that corrections will be politically possible it won’t matter anymore.

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  • @L.K
    Beefcake: '..yet earlier on this thread here, he agreed that overall Polish losses were likely exaggerated.'

    I had noticed that too.

    Moving away from this troll... I don't know if you have read the following article but if have not , make sure to do so and share it, a lot of good info and insights:

    The Non-Jewish Stake in the Holocaust Mythology
    Why the Continued Success of a Failed Ideology?

    Paul Grubach - http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/2/1/1919
    Of particular importance to understand certain trends we see today are the sub-items in the article titled;
    - Germany and the Holocaust Mythology
    - Russia and the Holocaust Mythology
    - Poland and the Holocaust Mythology

    Take care

    Excellent article, yes.

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  • @L.K
    Beefcake: '..yet earlier on this thread here, he agreed that overall Polish losses were likely exaggerated.'

    I had noticed that too.

    Moving away from this troll... I don't know if you have read the following article but if have not , make sure to do so and share it, a lot of good info and insights:

    The Non-Jewish Stake in the Holocaust Mythology
    Why the Continued Success of a Failed Ideology?

    Paul Grubach - http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/2/1/1919
    Of particular importance to understand certain trends we see today are the sub-items in the article titled;
    - Germany and the Holocaust Mythology
    - Russia and the Holocaust Mythology
    - Poland and the Holocaust Mythology

    Take care

    Fine article.

    And here we are, 76 years later, and people still think they’re smart by repeating Red propaganda.:

    Stalinist Communism utilized the Holocaust mythology as an important propaganda weapon in order to blacken the image of their hated enemy.

    http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/2/1/1919

    Of course “the” holocaust myth is sewage. Producing garbage and playing a fake victim card is what the whining hysterics do.

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    And yet earlier on this thread here, he agreed that overall Polish losses were likely exaggerated. Not sure what his game is, but it’s definitely not a game worth playing.

    Beefcake: ‘..yet earlier on this thread here, he agreed that overall Polish losses were likely exaggerated.’

    I had noticed that too.

    Moving away from this troll… I don’t know if you have read the following article but if have not , make sure to do so and share it, a lot of good info and insights:

    The Non-Jewish Stake in the Holocaust Mythology
    Why the Continued Success of a Failed Ideology?

    Paul Grubach – http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/2/1/1919
    Of particular importance to understand certain trends we see today are the sub-items in the article titled;
    - Germany and the Holocaust Mythology
    - Russia and the Holocaust Mythology
    - Poland and the Holocaust Mythology

    Take care

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    Fine article.

    And here we are, 76 years later, and people still think they’re smart by repeating Red propaganda.:

    Stalinist Communism utilized the Holocaust mythology as an important propaganda weapon in order to blacken the image of their hated enemy.

    http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/2/1/1919
     
    Of course "the" holocaust myth is sewage. Producing garbage and playing a fake victim card is what the whining hysterics do.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Excellent article, yes.
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  • @L.K
    Wally to utu: Your citations have made of fool of you

    That's what happens when morons such as 'utu' decide to talk about issues they have NO command of.

    Anyway, get a load of this;
    Over at that other dissembler's(Karlin) little place http://www.unz.com/akarlin/quantified-jq/ ,
    'utu' proposes the notion that Poland suffered a holocaust at the hands of the nazi cannibals and then says;

    95. utu. Polish Holocaust could be turn into an effective brand just like Jewish Holocaust was and compete with it.

     

    I think it shows the mentality of this 'utu' entity really well.

    And yet earlier on this thread here, he agreed that overall Polish losses were likely exaggerated. Not sure what his game is, but it’s definitely not a game worth playing.

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    Beefcake: '..yet earlier on this thread here, he agreed that overall Polish losses were likely exaggerated.'

    I had noticed that too.

    Moving away from this troll... I don't know if you have read the following article but if have not , make sure to do so and share it, a lot of good info and insights:

    The Non-Jewish Stake in the Holocaust Mythology
    Why the Continued Success of a Failed Ideology?

    Paul Grubach - http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/2/1/1919
    Of particular importance to understand certain trends we see today are the sub-items in the article titled;
    - Germany and the Holocaust Mythology
    - Russia and the Holocaust Mythology
    - Poland and the Holocaust Mythology

    Take care
    , @utu

    And yet earlier on this thread here, he agreed that overall Polish losses were likely exaggerated. Not sure what his game is, but it’s definitely not a game worth playing.
     
    The name of the game is Search for Truth. I am sure you have heard about "the truth." The revisionism is supposed to be about it.

    One does not need to know nothing about WWII to suspect that the numbers are off and inflated on the winners side and reduced on losers side. During a war your own combat losses are minimized and enemy's losses are maximized and the same in reverse is done with the civilian losses.

    Even in the case of seemingly not controversial American casualties during Korean War numbers were inflated by 50% until corrected in 2000.

    Death Miscount Etched Into History
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2000/06/25/death-miscount-etched-into-history/ab9d6830-b10d-429c-a3b0-cbdbaa3a23d1/?utm_term=.8fc5a27031c2
    President Clinton and veterans from across the nation will gather in somber remembrance this afternoon at the Korean War Veterans Memorial, where it is carved into stone that 54,246 Americans died in the war that began 50 years ago today.

    For decades, the number has been enshrined in almanacs, histories, memories and monuments, cited as proof of the war's cost. But nearly one-third of those deaths--17,730--occurred elsewhere, often half a world away from Korea, in places ranging from the United States to Germany. The actual number of Americans killed in the Korean War theater of operations is 36,516, the Pentagon acknowledged this month.
     
    Here is another example. In WWII US Army Air Forces accounted for circa 1/3 of all American dead. But how many due to enemy's actions?

    According to the AAF Statistical Digest, in less than four years (December 1941- August 1945), the US Army Air Forces lost 14,903 pilots, aircrew and assorted personnel plus 13,873 airplanes — inside the continental United States . They were the result of 52,651 aircraft accidents (6,039 involving fatalities) in 45 months.

    Almost 1,000 Army planes disappeared en route from the US to foreign locations. But an eye-watering 43,581 aircraft were lost overseas including 22,948 on combat missions (18,418 against the Western Axis) and 20,633 attributed to non-combat causes overseas.
     
    Did all of them get posthumous medals like the Korean Ward dead who died of flue in Kansas?

    Veterans still battling 1973 fire that wiped out millions of service records
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/08/veterans-still-fighting-for-va-benefits-recall-173-fire-that-erased-millions.html
     
    At this point we may not hope that any corrections will be done by Russians or Poles or Jews or by Germans. If time will come that corrections will be politically possible it won't matter anymore.
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  • Wally to utu: Your citations have made of fool of you

    That’s what happens when morons such as ‘utu’ decide to talk about issues they have NO command of.

    Anyway, get a load of this;
    Over at that other dissembler’s(Karlin) little place http://www.unz.com/akarlin/quantified-jq/ ,
    ‘utu’ proposes the notion that Poland suffered a holocaust at the hands of the nazi cannibals and then says;

    95. utu. Polish Holocaust could be turn into an effective brand just like Jewish Holocaust was and compete with it.

    I think it shows the mentality of this ‘utu’ entity really well.

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    And yet earlier on this thread here, he agreed that overall Polish losses were likely exaggerated. Not sure what his game is, but it’s definitely not a game worth playing.
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  • @utu
    Are you having a tantrum? Calm down and think.

    Rudolf did not perform any experiments with live animals so he is not in a position to claim that 300ppm is not a lethal concentration. The 300ppm value was established by experiments in the past. The results are universally accepted in scientific and technical literature. Only an experiment could invalidate this results. Rudolf did not perform such an experiment.
     
    This

    Rudolf did not need to do “experiments with animals’, we’re taking about people not rabbits.
     
    suppose to be Rudolf's scientific method? Anyway, your Rudolf failed to make a valid argument on very elementary level. He did not establish the minimum lethal dose of HCN. He only postulated it. What he postulated was on order of magnitude higher that what was established in past experiments. One can not infer valid conclusions from a postulate if the postulate is false. In formal logic the implication "if p then q" is true when q is false. From the assumption 1+1=3 I can prove you are smart. The inference is only as good as the assumption. Yes, you are smart as 1+1=3.

    Tell the temp agency to get somebody a bit smarter to do the mindless repetition and quoting the CODOH bible. I think an actual Jehovah Witness would do better. They do not get tantrums and do not spew invectives.

    So, IOW, those alleged millions of buried Jews are not there as you claim.

    Hilarious how you keep proving your obvious lack of science.
    Of course, Rudolf did no tests with rabbits, he did not need to, we’re talking about alleged people.
    Your citations have made of fool of you and now you want to talk about rabbits. LOL

    What’s really happening is that Rudolf’s work went way over your head.
    But hey, go slow & try it again:

    http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/index.html

    These might help you too:
    ‘Green, Mathis refuted / cyanide: lice, humans, & more’

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=267

    Alleged & laughable “mass graves” according to T. Darwin / Andrew Mathis

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9414

    ‘Andrew Mathis on Dachau, Majdanek, Auschwitz, Treblinka’

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9228

    Here’s a little movie which might make easier for you:
    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau

    The “Holocau$t Industry” in court:
    ‘Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, … but, but, well, umm, we can’t show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we’re Zionists.’

    I suggest you quit digging.

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  • Are you having a tantrum? Calm down and think.

    Rudolf did not perform any experiments with live animals so he is not in a position to claim that 300ppm is not a lethal concentration. The 300ppm value was established by experiments in the past. The results are universally accepted in scientific and technical literature. Only an experiment could invalidate this results. Rudolf did not perform such an experiment.

    This

    Rudolf did not need to do “experiments with animals’, we’re taking about people not rabbits.

    suppose to be Rudolf’s scientific method? Anyway, your Rudolf failed to make a valid argument on very elementary level. He did not establish the minimum lethal dose of HCN. He only postulated it. What he postulated was on order of magnitude higher that what was established in past experiments. One can not infer valid conclusions from a postulate if the postulate is false. In formal logic the implication “if p then q” is true when q is false. From the assumption 1+1=3 I can prove you are smart. The inference is only as good as the assumption. Yes, you are smart as 1+1=3.

    Tell the temp agency to get somebody a bit smarter to do the mindless repetition and quoting the CODOH bible. I think an actual Jehovah Witness would do better. They do not get tantrums and do not spew invectives.

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    So, IOW, those alleged millions of buried Jews are not there as you claim.

    Hilarious how you keep proving your obvious lack of science.
    Of course, Rudolf did no tests with rabbits, he did not need to, we're talking about alleged people.
    Your citations have made of fool of you and now you want to talk about rabbits. LOL

    What's really happening is that Rudolf's work went way over your head.
    But hey, go slow & try it again:
    http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/index.html
    These might help you too:
    'Green, Mathis refuted / cyanide: lice, humans, & more'
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=267
    Alleged & laughable "mass graves" according to T. Darwin / Andrew Mathis
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9414
    'Andrew Mathis on Dachau, Majdanek, Auschwitz, Treblinka'
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9228
    Here's a little movie which might make easier for you:
    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau
    https://youtu.be/SUc6Y_E5zb0


    The “Holocau$t Industry” in court:
    ‘Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, … but, but, well, umm, we can’t show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we’re Zionists.’
     
    I suggest you quit digging.
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  • @utu
    Listen Wally, incantations and magical thinking like

    You continue to make a fool of yourself, you just don’t know what your talking about, and Rudolf & myself have proven that fact.
     
    or

    We still own you & there’s nothing you can do about it.
     
    do not change the reality. Don't be a child. By closing eyes the reality does not go away.

    Rudolf did not perform any experiments with live animals so he is not in a position to claim that 300ppm is not a lethal concentration. The 300ppm value was established by experiments in the past. The results are universally accepted in scientific and technical literature. Only an experiment could invalidate this results. Rudolf did not perform such an experiment.

    Grow up. You must accept that Rudolf's arguments do not prove that gassings did not happen. Rudolf's argument is as follows:


    If concentration of HCN in mass chambers was X then it is inconsistent with concentration of HCN residuals found in the walls of the crematoria. And thus gassings did not take place in the crematoria.
     
    This logical construction is correct and conclusion at first seems to be correct. Except for one detail, the two letters "If". Rudolf did not prove that concentration of HCN was X. Why he did not prove it? Because Y=300pm which is smaller than X (Y<X) is lethal dose and thus could have been used in crematoria and at the same time the concentration Y is not inconsistent with the concentration of residual HCN found in the walls of crematoria.

    You’re just another dumb Zionist who has lost his debate with an informed Revisionist.
    You completely dodge the facts I have posted and run from science & rational thinking. Sad, so sad.
    You claim that millions of Jew remains are buried in mass graves, that Jews know where these alleged enormous mass graves are, but yet we do not see these alleged remains. The classic Big Lie.
    You’ve been utterly demolished on your impossible & laughably absurd 300 ppm / hr. and now rant about rabbits & other animals. Helloooo.
    The literature you cited actually refutes your nonsense, as I have previously demonstrated. You just too dumb too know it. My, my.
    Rudolf did not need to do “experiments with animals’, we’re taking about people not rabbits. LOL It’s hard to imagine more stupid assertions than the ones you are making. Don’t they teach science in Jew school?
    spoon feeding time:
    Rudolf’s work shows the incredible lack of cyanide residue in the alleged & impossible gas chambers, which would have been saturated with cyanide if they were really “gas chambers”. You are obviously so stupid that you cannot grasp the facts in his work. I guess we should just say that you are in denial of science. But you do have your fake ‘holocau$t’ religion to get you through the night.

    The “Holocau$t Industry” in court:
    ‘Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, … but, but, well, umm, we can’t show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we’re Zionists.’

    http://www.codoh.com

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  • @Wally
    Dumb Zionist, this not about animals or lice, it's about people allgedly gassed in an impossible setting.
    You continue to make a fool of yourself, you just don't know what your talking about, and Rudolf & myself have proven that fact.
    Of course you want to "close" your laughable "300 ppm / 1 hr." canard, because I have slapped you silly you on it. LOL

    Still waiting for you to show us the 'millions of Jew remains' that you and those like you claim to know the locations of.

    Kitty Hart is merely a typical lying "eyewitness" as are the others that I posted and you ignored. LOL
    Your bizarre, irrelevant, laughable, illogical & hilarious courtroom scenario is desperate backpedaling. LOL
    Speaking of courts:


    The "Holocau$t Industry" in court:
    'Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, ... but, but, well, umm, we can't show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we're Zionists.'
     
    Challenge to you:
    Tell us about one "eyewitness" to alleged gassings that you consider credible. Tell us specifically what they said. We are waiting.

    We still own you & there's nothing you can do about it.
    Facts & science over Zionist propaganda - religion. www.codoh.com

    Listen Wally, incantations and magical thinking like

    You continue to make a fool of yourself, you just don’t know what your talking about, and Rudolf & myself have proven that fact.

    or

    We still own you & there’s nothing you can do about it.

    do not change the reality. Don’t be a child. By closing eyes the reality does not go away.

    Rudolf did not perform any experiments with live animals so he is not in a position to claim that 300ppm is not a lethal concentration. The 300ppm value was established by experiments in the past. The results are universally accepted in scientific and technical literature. Only an experiment could invalidate this results. Rudolf did not perform such an experiment.

    Grow up. You must accept that Rudolf’s arguments do not prove that gassings did not happen. Rudolf’s argument is as follows:

    If concentration of HCN in mass chambers was X then it is inconsistent with concentration of HCN residuals found in the walls of the crematoria. And thus gassings did not take place in the crematoria.

    This logical construction is correct and conclusion at first seems to be correct. Except for one detail, the two letters “If”. Rudolf did not prove that concentration of HCN was X. Why he did not prove it? Because Y=300pm which is smaller than X (Y<X) is lethal dose and thus could have been used in crematoria and at the same time the concentration Y is not inconsistent with the concentration of residual HCN found in the walls of crematoria.

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    You're just another dumb Zionist who has lost his debate with an informed Revisionist.
    You completely dodge the facts I have posted and run from science & rational thinking. Sad, so sad.
    You claim that millions of Jew remains are buried in mass graves, that Jews know where these alleged enormous mass graves are, but yet we do not see these alleged remains. The classic Big Lie.
    You've been utterly demolished on your impossible & laughably absurd 300 ppm / hr. and now rant about rabbits & other animals. Helloooo.
    The literature you cited actually refutes your nonsense, as I have previously demonstrated. You just too dumb too know it. My, my.
    Rudolf did not need to do "experiments with animals', we're taking about people not rabbits. LOL It's hard to imagine more stupid assertions than the ones you are making. Don't they teach science in Jew school?
    spoon feeding time:
    Rudolf's work shows the incredible lack of cyanide residue in the alleged & impossible gas chambers, which would have been saturated with cyanide if they were really "gas chambers". You are obviously so stupid that you cannot grasp the facts in his work. I guess we should just say that you are in denial of science. But you do have your fake 'holocau$t' religion to get you through the night.

    The "Holocau$t Industry" in court:
    'Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, ... but, but, well, umm, we can't show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we're Zionists.'
     
    www.codoh.com
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  • @Anon
    The Holocaust, believe it or not, is not a major concern of mine. You and the Jews do not understand that the Holocaust, like oil reserves, is a finite resource. They are already running out of Holocaust fuel for the grievance industry.

    However, a fair understanding of history is of interest to me. The actual political battles being fought now, even more.

    By the way, in your book, was there anything wrong at all with Nazi ideology? What about policies? Concrete acts? No criticism is fair?

    By the way, in your book, was there anything wrong at all with Nazi ideology? What about policies? Concrete acts? No criticism is fair?

    You’re missing the point completely. About the only thing we ever hear is loads of crap about their faults and frankly many of us are tired of being lied to and hearing only one side of the story. The bigger point is that some of us feel it’s about time that the truth be told.

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  • @in the middle
    At every turn, they apologize for Hitler’s actions or minimize the brutality carried out by Germans..

    NO, the issue here is that all we 'know' about the Germans comes from the winners,or the talmudists! I still have to see anything coming from the loosing side! Most books, movies, etc. are from Hollywood, and or Talmudists writers, so there you have it. Obviously talmudists are going to demonize the Germans, for what they perceive and consider an affront of a country which stood up against their devilish cunning and wicked manipulations.

    Obviously talmudists are going to demonize the Germans, for what they perceive and consider an affront of a country which stood up against their devilish cunning and wicked manipulations.

    Well stated and refreshing to read. Thank you.

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  • @Anon
    Churchill and his top military circle were not Judaic, yet they set afire the medieval cities of their German cousins, who only two generations before had comprised the royal blood within the House of the German-speaking Queen Victoria.

    War brings out the UGLY in every group. But, the Brits didn't want to kill so many Germans as part of some grand strategy. Instead, the war got really ugly, and it brought out the vengeful and sadistic side of human nature. In other words, had there been no war between UK and Germany, the Brits never would have wanted to kill all those Germans. Once a fight breaks out, a kind of rage takes over. People lose all sense of proportions and want to do maximum damage. This is why boxing has referees. Without them, it can easily lead to murder in the ring.

    Unlike Brits who just lost their heads in the bloody melee, German policy in the East wasn't a case of violent overreaction. There was a radical plan of genocide and slavery on an unprecedented scale. Not only did the Germans attack first and not only were they willing to do ANYTHING to defeat the USSR, but the planned 'peace' would have meant whole extermination of tens of millions of Russians and enslavement of the rest.

    So, while I agree that the Dresden bombing was a war crime and shouldn't have been committed, I still see it as an evil act among many evil acts in a war that brought out the worst on all sides. It was the fury of war that made the Brits act devilish.
    In contrast, Hitler had a devilish plan even in peacetime prior to the war and would have acted devilishly further had he won in Russia. His 'peace' plan for Russia would have been 1000x more frightening that what UK did to Germany and even what Soviets did to Germany, which was abominable.

    It is time for the West to fully acknowledge the great suffering of German people in WWII(and it's time to stop treating the Shoah as a neo-religion than as a tragic event in history), but too many revisionist types moan and groan about dead Germans but show no such sympathy for all the dead Russians, Poles, and Jews. At every turn, they apologize for Hitler's actions or minimize the brutality carried out by Germans while making a huge deal about German suffering and victimhood.

    Also, Hoffman's mention of German as racial 'cousins' gives the game away. The hidden logic of revisionists is really this: Anglos and Germans were racial cousins, so they should have allied together and wiped out Russians as the inferior Slavs with tainted blood. Read between the lines in Buchanan's UNNECESSARY WAR and you get the same sick demented logic.

    In fact, the whole mess could have been avoided if Hitler and Nazis had respected Poles and other Slavs as fellow whites and Europeans. The truly big failure was not Anglos failing to recognize Germans as their cousins but Germans having failed to recognize Slavs as racial cousins too.

    Hitler-apologists will say he invaded Russia to defeat communism when, in fact, his grand plan was not about ideology but about biology. His way was death or enslavement of all Russian Slavs as a bunch of helots.

    At every turn, they apologize for Hitler’s actions or minimize the brutality carried out by Germans..

    NO, the issue here is that all we ‘know’ about the Germans comes from the winners,or the talmudists! I still have to see anything coming from the loosing side! Most books, movies, etc. are from Hollywood, and or Talmudists writers, so there you have it. Obviously talmudists are going to demonize the Germans, for what they perceive and consider an affront of a country which stood up against their devilish cunning and wicked manipulations.

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    Obviously talmudists are going to demonize the Germans, for what they perceive and consider an affront of a country which stood up against their devilish cunning and wicked manipulations.
     
    Well stated and refreshing to read. Thank you.
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  • @Anonymous
    If you don't want to be burned to ashes, don't fuck with the Jews.

    Or with the Germans, for that matter! Did they burned the talmudists? according to talmudists? no proof, but hey, the sheep keeps believing the biggest lie ever! God bless Reina Isabella of Spain!

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  • @utu
    That Rudolf took his samples in crematoria has no impact on his ability to determine the level of the lethal dose. He did not do tests on animals so he has no basis to doubt the lethality of 300ppm in 1h which is the value based on universally accepted literature. The 300ppm stands until somebody do test on live animals to confirm it or disprove it. This is how science works.

    At this point the case of 300pm is closed and won't be reopened until somebody presents results from live animal test.
    ___________
    Why did you bring up testimony of a person like Kitty Hart? Testimonies of older ex prisoners and females in particular are notoriously inaccurate.

    Furthermore you realize that even if all testimonies claimed that gassing time took X minutes and you and your buddy Rudolf claimed that this is impossible if you were ever put on the witness stand the next question would be: So how many minutes, Mr. Witness, do you need? Is Y minutes (Y>X) enough? If so we stipulate that testimonies to gassing time of X minutes were probably inaccurate due to various reasons and further we stipulate that gassing took Y minutes and thus gassings has not been disproved. Then you and your buddy Rudolf would say, if it took Y minutes then the possible number of victims is lower by fraction Y/X. To which the answer would be: granted. Gassing took place but we agree with the Mr. Witness that number of gassed were likely lower than initially claimed. Thank you, Mr. Witness is free to go. Headlines in the newspaper next day: Gassing took place during Holocaust claims Mr. Witness, former Holocaust denier.

    You people are like children. You will be played and will not know when being hit. Sometimes I wonder if it is not the Jews who hired idiots like you guys to keep stirring the Holocaust story up so it stays in media. Hey Avram, It is ten years since Irving trial; it was kind of quiet for too long; let's bring up the idiot Wally or that Rudolf to the front pages and ridicule the deniers. How can we bait him to sue us? We will set it up. Don't worry. Hubris comes before the fall.

    Dumb Zionist, this not about animals or lice, it’s about people allgedly gassed in an impossible setting.
    You continue to make a fool of yourself, you just don’t know what your talking about, and Rudolf & myself have proven that fact.
    Of course you want to “close” your laughable “300 ppm / 1 hr.” canard, because I have slapped you silly you on it. LOL

    Still waiting for you to show us the ‘millions of Jew remains’ that you and those like you claim to know the locations of.

    Kitty Hart is merely a typical lying “eyewitness” as are the others that I posted and you ignored. LOL
    Your bizarre, irrelevant, laughable, illogical & hilarious courtroom scenario is desperate backpedaling. LOL
    Speaking of courts:

    The “Holocau$t Industry” in court:
    ‘Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, … but, but, well, umm, we can’t show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we’re Zionists.’

    Challenge to you:
    Tell us about one “eyewitness” to alleged gassings that you consider credible. Tell us specifically what they said. We are waiting.

    We still own you & there’s nothing you can do about it.
    Facts & science over Zionist propaganda – religion. http://www.codoh.com

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    Listen Wally, incantations and magical thinking like

    You continue to make a fool of yourself, you just don’t know what your talking about, and Rudolf & myself have proven that fact.
     
    or

    We still own you & there’s nothing you can do about it.
     
    do not change the reality. Don't be a child. By closing eyes the reality does not go away.

    Rudolf did not perform any experiments with live animals so he is not in a position to claim that 300ppm is not a lethal concentration. The 300ppm value was established by experiments in the past. The results are universally accepted in scientific and technical literature. Only an experiment could invalidate this results. Rudolf did not perform such an experiment.

    Grow up. You must accept that Rudolf's arguments do not prove that gassings did not happen. Rudolf's argument is as follows:


    If concentration of HCN in mass chambers was X then it is inconsistent with concentration of HCN residuals found in the walls of the crematoria. And thus gassings did not take place in the crematoria.
     
    This logical construction is correct and conclusion at first seems to be correct. Except for one detail, the two letters "If". Rudolf did not prove that concentration of HCN was X. Why he did not prove it? Because Y=300pm which is smaller than X (Y<X) is lethal dose and thus could have been used in crematoria and at the same time the concentration Y is not inconsistent with the concentration of residual HCN found in the walls of crematoria.
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  • @jilles dykstra
    Based on evidence given in Neurenberg, Poliakov writes that the Auschwitz gas chambers were blown up at the end of 1944.
    There have been many scientific investigations showing that what is shown there as gas chamber never was one.
    Léon Poliakov, 'Bréviaire de la Haine, Le IIIe Reich et les Juifs', 1951, 1974, Paris
    I'm not sure if it is Poliakov or Wiesel who describes the gas chambers as underground cellars.
    No such cellars now in Birkenau.
    Elie Wiesel, 'La Nuit', 1958, 2007

    But all this discussion about what happened to jews just distracts from the real issue, why was the second world war, with at least some 60 million deaths, among them some ten million Germans, with the destruction and political upheaval it caused ?
    Who wanted this war ?
    And then I alas see FDR as the main criminal, with those who brought him into politics, Bernard Baruch in the first place.

    Who wanted this war ?

    It is hard for a member of the hoi polloi , (that’d be us), to understand the basis for these things because we are generally not motivated by the same things that super rich kids are, I think, and the wars are without a doubt, ultimately a result of games of the rich.

    I’m no psychologist or physiologist, but it seems to me that what motivates those who have everything money can buy is a constant and truly desperate search to be something or to get a kick in any way possible. I don’t think one can understand it unless one’s seen and experienced their behavior close up,and if one experiences it, it becomes clear at once.

    What strikes me about a lot of them is that they seem to feel inadequate no matter what they do, and they are always trying, with futility, to “prove” themselves. Also, they typically love attention and will do anything to get it; literally anything, and the more outrageous the better. I call it the curse of the rich and it’s tragic for them and those whom they shit all over, which they do at every opportunity.

    Rich kids, like petulant 2 year olds, are typically contemptuous of virtually everyone and everything and are too lazy and too spoiled to really accomplish much of significance, so, like pouty, bratty infants, many turn to abusive, destructive, and perverse behavior for their kicks.

    While the males typically keep their industrial grade hostility well under wraps most of the time, (they think they’re being clever), they’ll knife you in a heartbeat if they think they can get away with it and preferably if they can make you squirm in the process, you ain’t seen nothin till you’ve witnessed, or have been the object of, the outrageously irrational fury of some utterly worthless super rich chick who is painfully aware of her often self-magnified inadequacies, of which there are many to the point of totality.

    Anyway, I find their behavior as astonishing as it is predictable and at least for me, it goes a long way towards explaining a major source of wars. In other words, the perps are sick, and there is no use in trying to explain their behavior in rational terms. It just doesn’t work that way.

    PS: Churchill fits the mold of an unwanted and essentially worthless brat in a pathetically desperate and chronic, indeed obsessive, search for attention, and what I’ll never understand is the virtual worship of that despicable fool by so many of the hoi polloi.

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  • @SolontoCroesus

    Who wanted this war ?
    And then I alas see FDR as the main criminal, with those who brought him into politics, Bernard Baruch in the first place.
     
    Charles Lindbergh answered that question, correctly, on September 11 1941 in flyover country

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54ozdotStW8


    Zionism was not then adequately defined and warned against; that defect has not changed substantially.

    Excellent response to jd’s question, sir!

    FDR was mainly a glory hound puppet. Another rich kid tough guy wannabe attention hound like Churchill.

    Another good answer would be to read Dodd’s “School of Darkness” and Anthony Sutton’s series on who funded the Bolshies and the Nazis.

    “Today I marvel that the world communist movement was able to beat the drums against Germany and never once betray what the inner group knew well: that some of the same forces which gave Hitler his start had also started Lenin and his staff of revolutionists from Switzerland to St. Petersburg to begin the revolution which was to result in the Soviet totalitarian state.”

    -Bella Dodd, School of Darkness, Ch 7

    Playing “Red” was apparently high fashion among New York and London’s “well-to-do” SJWs of the times, despite the record of hideous oppression, labor and death camps and general terror and perversion of those murderous clowns. But hey, what’s a bored rich kid to do? Where will it get it’s next kick? How exciting to be part of a group of perverted world saviors. Eggs and omelets, you know!

    Few seem to remember (if they ever knew) that Germany had been threatened by the Bolshies and their capitalistic backers for some time. There was even, for instance, a short lived communist government in Bavaria.

    Germany was surrounded by the most brutal of enemies and was set up by the usual criminals.

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  • Churchill was a terrorist. A thrill seeking arsonist and mass terrorist, in fact. He apparently ordered a lot of the firebombings of civilian targets, and apparently met with significant revulsion because of it. Apparently also tried to blame it all on the deranged “Bomber Harris” as the author of this excellent article points out.

    It seems to me that the moment has come when the question of bombing of German cities simply for the sake of increasing the terror, though under other pretexts, should be reviewed. Otherwise we shall come into control of an utterly ruined land. The destruction of Dresden remains a serious query against the conduct of Allied bombing. I am of the opinion that military objectives must henceforward be more strictly studied in our own interests than that of the enemy. The Foreign Secretary has spoken to me on this subject, and I feel the need for more precise concentration upon military objectives such as oil and communications behind the immediate battle-zone, rather than on mere acts of terror and wanton destruction, however impressive.

    -Winston Churchill Where the Right Went Wrong

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  • @SolontoCroesus
    jacques sheete, do you have any information on Churchill's correspondence with Mussolini? I don't remember where I read that Churchill's first act, after he lost election after the war, was to hustle to a location in Switzerland where either a box of currency or a box of correspondence between Churchill and Mussolini was hidden.

    Also read that Mussolini's Jewish mistress, Margharita Sarfatti, who was, of course, beautiful, smart, charming, and quick enough to get the hell out of Dodge when the situation got threatening, hurried back to Italy as soon as the coast was clear, to "secure Mussolini's papers."
    (Dumb, ugly, coarse Claretta Pettacci, was so stupid she died with her lover. But she was loyal.)

    jacques sheete, do you have any information on Churchill’s correspondence with Mussolini?

    Unfortunately not, but apparently he was an admirer of what Mussolini had accomplished in Italy with regard to resisting the Reds since the flip flopper was anti-Red before he became Stalin’s buddy.

    I really have not spent a lot of time on Churchill simply because the fraud nauseates me so much. To me, he represents a lot of the disgusting holier-than-thou attitude of the so called “upper crust” frauds.

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  • @jilles dykstra
    Based on evidence given in Neurenberg, Poliakov writes that the Auschwitz gas chambers were blown up at the end of 1944.
    There have been many scientific investigations showing that what is shown there as gas chamber never was one.
    Léon Poliakov, 'Bréviaire de la Haine, Le IIIe Reich et les Juifs', 1951, 1974, Paris
    I'm not sure if it is Poliakov or Wiesel who describes the gas chambers as underground cellars.
    No such cellars now in Birkenau.
    Elie Wiesel, 'La Nuit', 1958, 2007

    But all this discussion about what happened to jews just distracts from the real issue, why was the second world war, with at least some 60 million deaths, among them some ten million Germans, with the destruction and political upheaval it caused ?
    Who wanted this war ?
    And then I alas see FDR as the main criminal, with those who brought him into politics, Bernard Baruch in the first place.

    Who wanted this war ?
    And then I alas see FDR as the main criminal, with those who brought him into politics, Bernard Baruch in the first place.

    Charles Lindbergh answered that question, correctly, on September 11 1941 in flyover country

    Zionism was not then adequately defined and warned against; that defect has not changed substantially.

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    Excellent response to jd's question, sir!

    FDR was mainly a glory hound puppet. Another rich kid tough guy wannabe attention hound like Churchill.

    Another good answer would be to read Dodd's "School of Darkness" and Anthony Sutton's series on who funded the Bolshies and the Nazis.

    “Today I marvel that the world communist movement was able to beat the drums against Germany and never once betray what the inner group knew well: that some of the same forces which gave Hitler his start had also started Lenin and his staff of revolutionists from Switzerland to St. Petersburg to begin the revolution which was to result in the Soviet totalitarian state.”

    -Bella Dodd, School of Darkness, Ch 7
     

    Playing "Red" was apparently high fashion among New York and London's "well-to-do" SJWs of the times, despite the record of hideous oppression, labor and death camps and general terror and perversion of those murderous clowns. But hey, what's a bored rich kid to do? Where will it get it's next kick? How exciting to be part of a group of perverted world saviors. Eggs and omelets, you know!

    Few seem to remember (if they ever knew) that Germany had been threatened by the Bolshies and their capitalistic backers for some time. There was even, for instance, a short lived communist government in Bavaria.


    Germany was surrounded by the most brutal of enemies and was set up by the usual criminals.

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  • @Wally
    What an uneducated clown you are.
    I've proved your citations are erroneous & make no sense, in fact they refute the very impossible mythology you are trying to support, but you are too dumb to understand it.

    BTW: Rudolf took his own samples AT Auschwitz.
    I'll repeat, try to comprehend.
    300 PPM in one hour is bogus and utterly irrelevant, because the alleged gassings are said to have lasted just minutes, meaning massive concentrations would have been required. And we're not talking about your referenced "rabbits". LOL Try to follow along.


    ‘It’s over.’ Someone was shaking me. ‘It’s alright, it’s gone quiet. They’re all dead now.’
    It could not have taken more than ten minutes.
    - Return To Auschwitz, 1985, kitty Hart, p. 112
     

    "The victims take about five to fifteen minutes to die."
    - taken from Soviet Reports, see: Paul Eisen
    https://codoh.com/library/document/1970/
     

    "I simply cannot describe how these
    people screamed. That lasted about eight or ten minutes and then everything was quiet. A short while later, some inmates opened the door and you could still see a blue fog hanging over the giant tangle of corpses.
    - "The Frankfurt Auschwitz Trial, 1963-1965," New York:
    Cambridge University Press, 2006. pp 112-113
     
    Still waiting for you to show us the millions of Jew remains you & those like you claim exist.
    You're making a complete fool of yourself, I rather recommend that you cease.

    www.codoh.com

    That Rudolf took his samples in crematoria has no impact on his ability to determine the level of the lethal dose. He did not do tests on animals so he has no basis to doubt the lethality of 300ppm in 1h which is the value based on universally accepted literature. The 300ppm stands until somebody do test on live animals to confirm it or disprove it. This is how science works.

    At this point the case of 300pm is closed and won’t be reopened until somebody presents results from live animal test.
    ___________
    Why did you bring up testimony of a person like Kitty Hart? Testimonies of older ex prisoners and females in particular are notoriously inaccurate.

    Furthermore you realize that even if all testimonies claimed that gassing time took X minutes and you and your buddy Rudolf claimed that this is impossible if you were ever put on the witness stand the next question would be: So how many minutes, Mr. Witness, do you need? Is Y minutes (Y>X) enough? If so we stipulate that testimonies to gassing time of X minutes were probably inaccurate due to various reasons and further we stipulate that gassing took Y minutes and thus gassings has not been disproved. Then you and your buddy Rudolf would say, if it took Y minutes then the possible number of victims is lower by fraction Y/X. To which the answer would be: granted. Gassing took place but we agree with the Mr. Witness that number of gassed were likely lower than initially claimed. Thank you, Mr. Witness is free to go. Headlines in the newspaper next day: Gassing took place during Holocaust claims Mr. Witness, former Holocaust denier.

    You people are like children. You will be played and will not know when being hit. Sometimes I wonder if it is not the Jews who hired idiots like you guys to keep stirring the Holocaust story up so it stays in media. Hey Avram, It is ten years since Irving trial; it was kind of quiet for too long; let’s bring up the idiot Wally or that Rudolf to the front pages and ridicule the deniers. How can we bait him to sue us? We will set it up. Don’t worry. Hubris comes before the fall.

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    Dumb Zionist, this not about animals or lice, it's about people allgedly gassed in an impossible setting.
    You continue to make a fool of yourself, you just don't know what your talking about, and Rudolf & myself have proven that fact.
    Of course you want to "close" your laughable "300 ppm / 1 hr." canard, because I have slapped you silly you on it. LOL

    Still waiting for you to show us the 'millions of Jew remains' that you and those like you claim to know the locations of.

    Kitty Hart is merely a typical lying "eyewitness" as are the others that I posted and you ignored. LOL
    Your bizarre, irrelevant, laughable, illogical & hilarious courtroom scenario is desperate backpedaling. LOL
    Speaking of courts:


    The "Holocau$t Industry" in court:
    'Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, ... but, but, well, umm, we can't show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we're Zionists.'
     
    Challenge to you:
    Tell us about one "eyewitness" to alleged gassings that you consider credible. Tell us specifically what they said. We are waiting.

    We still own you & there's nothing you can do about it.
    Facts & science over Zionist propaganda - religion. www.codoh.com

    , @SolontoCroesus
    utu:

    "You people are like children. You will be played and will not know when being hit. Sometimes I wonder if it is not the Jews who hired idiots like you guys to keep stirring the Holocaust story up so it stays in media. Hey Avram, It is ten years since Irving trial; it was kind of quiet for too long; let’s bring up the idiot Wally or that Rudolf to the front pages and ridicule the deniers. How can we bait him to sue us? We will set it up. Don’t worry. Hubris comes before the fall."
     
    March 3, 2018 [i.e. yesterday]
    VOA News [i.e. US Taxdollars at work via State Department]

    https://www.voanews.com/a/holocaust-exhibit-shows-how-some-historic-imagery-had-malign-motives/4279201.html


    JERUSALEM — 
    Israel has opened a unique exhibition of Holocaust images to help people understand the contrasting motivations of photographers who documented the genocide, some nobly and others callously.
    Organizers at Yad Vashem, Israel's official Holocaust memorial, say one of their goals is to show how some photographers manipulated the images for malign purposes — a practice that continues in the contemporary world. The Holocaust was the persecution and killings of 6 million Jews and other minorities by Nazi Germany and its allies in World War II.
    Yad Vashem's "Flashes of Memory: Photography During the Holocaust" exhibition opened in January and will run throughout the year. It challenges visitors to think about who created the 1,500 photos on display, and why.
    {snip}
    "[We want them] to think and follow the eye of the photographer," Shalev said. "But what is more important sometimes, [is to enter] the mind of the editor, who is manipulating, and doing whatever he needs and wants, according to his ideology, with the photograph."
    Iran is one country whose leaders have drawn international criticism in recent years for manipulating Holocaust imagery either to downplay its significance or call it a myth. [in other words, Target Iran]
    Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei posted a video on his website in 2016, in which he said it was not clear whether the "core" of the Holocaust was a reality, as he showed pictures of Holocaust deniers whom he argued had been persecuted in the West.
     
    A few years ago, utu, I attended one of the IRMEA conferences (such as the one yesterday where Gideon Levy spoke -- Ron Unz posted the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQS-_9K5-Dk )
    At that conference, a 93-year old woman approached me and handed me a large flag of Palestine, and a handful of pamphlets. She told me that for the last decade or more she stood outside the Holocaust museum in Washington, DC to hand those pamphlets to the hundreds of busloads of tourists to the US tax-payer subsidized Israeli Holocaust propaganda center.
    She told me she is "too old to keep on doing it," (wimp!), assessed me as young & vigorous (hah!), and asked me to take up her apostolate (that's a Catholic word for tikun olam)

    If Jews would stop jamming holocaust down the throats of Americans and, indeed, people around the world, I can think of dozens of things I'd rather think about and spend my time on, other than the obscene pornography of the capital-h holocaust.

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  • @utu
    Listen Wally, your Rudolf who allegedly was trying to work towards his Ph.D at Max Planck from which he was fired did not conduct any experiments on toxicity of HCN. He did not perform gassings of any animals large or small, mammals or insects and did not determine experimentally the curve of TTD (time-to-death) for any animals versus concentration (ppm). Rudolf can only cite the same literature that is available to everybody which reports results form the past experiments on HCN toxicity.

    I have cited two works

    ATSDR (Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry). 1997. Toxicological profile for cyanide. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, Atlanta, GA.
     
    and

    McNamara, B.P. 1976. Estimates of the toxicity of hydrocyanid acid vapors in man. Edgewood Arsenal Technical Report EB-TR-76023, Department of the Army, August, 1976.
     
    where various data are compiled. From them one can establish two points (135ppm,30min) and (547ppm,10min) which were obtained from actual experiments. Via linear interpolation one easily gets that 300ppm of HCN is fatal to humans in 22 minutes. So my previous statements that

    300ppm of HCN is fatal to humans in 1h

     
    is obviously correct. Your Rudolf did not prove that this is not true. To disprove it experiments with life animals would have to be conducted. As far as we know Rudolf has not conducted any experiments with life mammals.

    So if Rudolf claims that, say 10,000ppm kills a human, he is obviously correct. But if claims that 300ppm cannot kill a human in 1h he has not basis for saying it. He would have to conduct experiments to support his claim.

    If he or his followers like you, L.K, Jack "The Unhinged" Scheisse, or the Beefy Head here at unz.com believe that a human can survive 300pm exposure in 1h then you should subject yourself to the experiment. To generate HCN is easy. To control the concentration level is harder but possible. Look up MEC - MONITORING TOXIC GASES IN BREATHING AIR. You can show the strength of your faith in Rudolf. Don't forget to live stream it on FB.

    Or the other option if Rudolf wants to be take seriously he should conduct experiments with live animals or subcontract some lab to do it.

    Rudolf has no case. He did even not try to seriously make it. He is really a joke. A tragic joke for wasting his own life.

    Aww, that’s not very nice.

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  • @L.K
    Not only the massive amounts of human remains disappeared but the many gigantic mass graves in small camps as well!!

    What a pity... CSI teams around the world are missing out by not hiring this "genius" utu.

    Anybody who does not feel like reading several books but wants to get a feel for how totally idiotic the official holohoax narrative is, re the AR camps, should at least watch the following excellent underground documentary. Burial pits and body disposal starts at around 1:31:00 I think;
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Locuhe6ECU

    As well, where we were once told there were about 8K camps, it appears the number is much larger, by a factor of 5:

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/sunday-review/the-holocaust-just-got-more-shocking.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

    Sure, some of these are just silly (WTF is a Berlin “Jew house”?), but it would seem “studies” like these are mainly intended to explain away the conspicuous absence of evidence at the main AR camps, which, we’ve been assured all these years, hold the remains of millions of people.

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  • @utu
    Listen Wally, your Rudolf who allegedly was trying to work towards his Ph.D at Max Planck from which he was fired did not conduct any experiments on toxicity of HCN. He did not perform gassings of any animals large or small, mammals or insects and did not determine experimentally the curve of TTD (time-to-death) for any animals versus concentration (ppm). Rudolf can only cite the same literature that is available to everybody which reports results form the past experiments on HCN toxicity.

    I have cited two works

    ATSDR (Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry). 1997. Toxicological profile for cyanide. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, Atlanta, GA.
     
    and

    McNamara, B.P. 1976. Estimates of the toxicity of hydrocyanid acid vapors in man. Edgewood Arsenal Technical Report EB-TR-76023, Department of the Army, August, 1976.
     
    where various data are compiled. From them one can establish two points (135ppm,30min) and (547ppm,10min) which were obtained from actual experiments. Via linear interpolation one easily gets that 300ppm of HCN is fatal to humans in 22 minutes. So my previous statements that

    300ppm of HCN is fatal to humans in 1h

     
    is obviously correct. Your Rudolf did not prove that this is not true. To disprove it experiments with life animals would have to be conducted. As far as we know Rudolf has not conducted any experiments with life mammals.

    So if Rudolf claims that, say 10,000ppm kills a human, he is obviously correct. But if claims that 300ppm cannot kill a human in 1h he has not basis for saying it. He would have to conduct experiments to support his claim.

    If he or his followers like you, L.K, Jack "The Unhinged" Scheisse, or the Beefy Head here at unz.com believe that a human can survive 300pm exposure in 1h then you should subject yourself to the experiment. To generate HCN is easy. To control the concentration level is harder but possible. Look up MEC - MONITORING TOXIC GASES IN BREATHING AIR. You can show the strength of your faith in Rudolf. Don't forget to live stream it on FB.

    Or the other option if Rudolf wants to be take seriously he should conduct experiments with live animals or subcontract some lab to do it.

    Rudolf has no case. He did even not try to seriously make it. He is really a joke. A tragic joke for wasting his own life.

    What an uneducated clown you are.
    I’ve proved your citations are erroneous & make no sense, in fact they refute the very impossible mythology you are trying to support, but you are too dumb to understand it.

    BTW: Rudolf took his own samples AT Auschwitz.
    I’ll repeat, try to comprehend.
    300 PPM in one hour is bogus and utterly irrelevant, because the alleged gassings are said to have lasted just minutes, meaning massive concentrations would have been required. And we’re not talking about your referenced “rabbits”. LOL Try to follow along.

    ‘It’s over.’ Someone was shaking me. ‘It’s alright, it’s gone quiet. They’re all dead now.’
    It could not have taken more than ten minutes.
    - Return To Auschwitz, 1985, kitty Hart, p. 112

    “The victims take about five to fifteen minutes to die.”
    - taken from Soviet Reports, see: Paul Eisen

    https://codoh.com/library/document/1970/

    “I simply cannot describe how these
    people screamed. That lasted about eight or ten minutes and then everything was quiet. A short while later, some inmates opened the door and you could still see a blue fog hanging over the giant tangle of corpses.
    - “The Frankfurt Auschwitz Trial, 1963-1965,” New York:
    Cambridge University Press, 2006. pp 112-113

    Still waiting for you to show us the millions of Jew remains you & those like you claim exist.
    You’re making a complete fool of yourself, I rather recommend that you cease.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    That Rudolf took his samples in crematoria has no impact on his ability to determine the level of the lethal dose. He did not do tests on animals so he has no basis to doubt the lethality of 300ppm in 1h which is the value based on universally accepted literature. The 300ppm stands until somebody do test on live animals to confirm it or disprove it. This is how science works.

    At this point the case of 300pm is closed and won't be reopened until somebody presents results from live animal test.
    ___________
    Why did you bring up testimony of a person like Kitty Hart? Testimonies of older ex prisoners and females in particular are notoriously inaccurate.

    Furthermore you realize that even if all testimonies claimed that gassing time took X minutes and you and your buddy Rudolf claimed that this is impossible if you were ever put on the witness stand the next question would be: So how many minutes, Mr. Witness, do you need? Is Y minutes (Y>X) enough? If so we stipulate that testimonies to gassing time of X minutes were probably inaccurate due to various reasons and further we stipulate that gassing took Y minutes and thus gassings has not been disproved. Then you and your buddy Rudolf would say, if it took Y minutes then the possible number of victims is lower by fraction Y/X. To which the answer would be: granted. Gassing took place but we agree with the Mr. Witness that number of gassed were likely lower than initially claimed. Thank you, Mr. Witness is free to go. Headlines in the newspaper next day: Gassing took place during Holocaust claims Mr. Witness, former Holocaust denier.

    You people are like children. You will be played and will not know when being hit. Sometimes I wonder if it is not the Jews who hired idiots like you guys to keep stirring the Holocaust story up so it stays in media. Hey Avram, It is ten years since Irving trial; it was kind of quiet for too long; let's bring up the idiot Wally or that Rudolf to the front pages and ridicule the deniers. How can we bait him to sue us? We will set it up. Don't worry. Hubris comes before the fall.
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  • @jacques sheete

    Regardless of the precise source, who can possibly doubt that Churchill thought this way?
     
    Not I!

    The main reason I like original sources is so that I can't be legitimately accuse do of making up things.

    Churchill was as despicable as it gets, and any admiration for that bullshitter is poorly placed. An arrogant loser from the start.

    jacques sheete, do you have any information on Churchill’s correspondence with Mussolini? I don’t remember where I read that Churchill’s first act, after he lost election after the war, was to hustle to a location in Switzerland where either a box of currency or a box of correspondence between Churchill and Mussolini was hidden.

    Also read that Mussolini’s Jewish mistress, Margharita Sarfatti, who was, of course, beautiful, smart, charming, and quick enough to get the hell out of Dodge when the situation got threatening, hurried back to Italy as soon as the coast was clear, to “secure Mussolini’s papers.”
    (Dumb, ugly, coarse Claretta Pettacci, was so stupid she died with her lover. But she was loyal.)

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    jacques sheete, do you have any information on Churchill’s correspondence with Mussolini?
     
    Unfortunately not, but apparently he was an admirer of what Mussolini had accomplished in Italy with regard to resisting the Reds since the flip flopper was anti-Red before he became Stalin's buddy.

    I really have not spent a lot of time on Churchill simply because the fraud nauseates me so much. To me, he represents a lot of the disgusting holier-than-thou attitude of the so called "upper crust" frauds.
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  • @Wally
    I suggest to you: 'when in a hole, quit digging'.
    This is pure gold.
    Poor Amateur Hour schmuck, you can't even understand what you cite. Now that is laughable.
    Again: the links to Max Planck Chemist, Germar Rudolf's work, which is obviously over your head, were given to you and you dodge them for some lame brain .pdf which only a dumb Zionist would fall for.

    Still waiting to see those 'millions of Jew remains' you claim.

    You lose again and I still own you.

    This little folly of yours needs to be posted at www.codoh.com

    Listen Wally, your Rudolf who allegedly was trying to work towards his Ph.D at Max Planck from which he was fired did not conduct any experiments on toxicity of HCN. He did not perform gassings of any animals large or small, mammals or insects and did not determine experimentally the curve of TTD (time-to-death) for any animals versus concentration (ppm). Rudolf can only cite the same literature that is available to everybody which reports results form the past experiments on HCN toxicity.

    I have cited two works

    ATSDR (Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry). 1997. Toxicological profile for cyanide. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, Atlanta, GA.

    and

    McNamara, B.P. 1976. Estimates of the toxicity of hydrocyanid acid vapors in man. Edgewood Arsenal Technical Report EB-TR-76023, Department of the Army, August, 1976.

    where various data are compiled. From them one can establish two points (135ppm,30min) and (547ppm,10min) which were obtained from actual experiments. Via linear interpolation one easily gets that 300ppm of HCN is fatal to humans in 22 minutes. So my previous statements that

    300ppm of HCN is fatal to humans in 1h

    is obviously correct. Your Rudolf did not prove that this is not true. To disprove it experiments with life animals would have to be conducted. As far as we know Rudolf has not conducted any experiments with life mammals.

    So if Rudolf claims that, say 10,000ppm kills a human, he is obviously correct. But if claims that 300ppm cannot kill a human in 1h he has not basis for saying it. He would have to conduct experiments to support his claim.

    If he or his followers like you, L.K, Jack “The Unhinged” Scheisse, or the Beefy Head here at unz.com believe that a human can survive 300pm exposure in 1h then you should subject yourself to the experiment. To generate HCN is easy. To control the concentration level is harder but possible. Look up MEC – MONITORING TOXIC GASES IN BREATHING AIR. You can show the strength of your faith in Rudolf. Don’t forget to live stream it on FB.

    Or the other option if Rudolf wants to be take seriously he should conduct experiments with live animals or subcontract some lab to do it.

    Rudolf has no case. He did even not try to seriously make it. He is really a joke. A tragic joke for wasting his own life.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    What an uneducated clown you are.
    I've proved your citations are erroneous & make no sense, in fact they refute the very impossible mythology you are trying to support, but you are too dumb to understand it.

    BTW: Rudolf took his own samples AT Auschwitz.
    I'll repeat, try to comprehend.
    300 PPM in one hour is bogus and utterly irrelevant, because the alleged gassings are said to have lasted just minutes, meaning massive concentrations would have been required. And we're not talking about your referenced "rabbits". LOL Try to follow along.


    ‘It’s over.’ Someone was shaking me. ‘It’s alright, it’s gone quiet. They’re all dead now.’
    It could not have taken more than ten minutes.
    - Return To Auschwitz, 1985, kitty Hart, p. 112
     

    "The victims take about five to fifteen minutes to die."
    - taken from Soviet Reports, see: Paul Eisen
    https://codoh.com/library/document/1970/
     

    "I simply cannot describe how these
    people screamed. That lasted about eight or ten minutes and then everything was quiet. A short while later, some inmates opened the door and you could still see a blue fog hanging over the giant tangle of corpses.
    - "The Frankfurt Auschwitz Trial, 1963-1965," New York:
    Cambridge University Press, 2006. pp 112-113
     
    Still waiting for you to show us the millions of Jew remains you & those like you claim exist.
    You're making a complete fool of yourself, I rather recommend that you cease.

    www.codoh.com

    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Aww, that’s not very nice.
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  • Too funny. “utu” calls me unhinged, but I gotta tell ya its “people” are major time screwed up.

    I came across this as a link via a link on Micheal Hoffman’s (the author of the above article) website.:

    https://www.revisionisthistory.org/

    His website is a “must peruse” and to get some insight on the psychopathy we goyim are up against check out this link:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/25/magazine/the-orthodox-sex-guru.html

    Nutzos on steroids!

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  • @apollonian
    ------------------------------[HERE'S PART 2 TO ABOVE]-------------------------

    And yes, Hoffman, life is very much war, humans being sinners, and regardless of "Neanderthals," it's well-known method of war to threaten retaliation in kind for whatever one may complain of one's enemies, like bombing of civilians.

    So what's Hoffman's real object for this latest article of his?--just more of his usual moralistic virtue-signaling and one-upsmanship, pretending, like the Pelagian hereticalist he is, to knowing all about moralistic "virtue," lecturing others--like he evidently does for his own, poor, victimized children.

    For it's Hoffman and hubris-filled Pelagianists like him who are the real problem of our present society consumed in satanism and satanic, extreme subjectivism, pretending to what doesn't exist, like child's "good-evil" and a perfectly "free" God-like will. Hitler was actually a great hero bravely fighting this horrific and ever-expanding satanism, and he was magnificent for naming and confronting the Jew.

    But Hitler only failed for the larger cultural issue of satanism in general, founded in subjectivism, hubris, and moralism, for which Jews are the natural leaders, but themselves don't originate, only taking advantage and manipulating it, due to their natural and thematic superior collectivist cohesion and organization, for their own purposes--as we see in this day, having become masters by specific means of that amazing criminal enterprise of fiat-currency (legalized counterfeiting) and central-banking--which subject-matters Hoffman hasn't the slightest grasp or understanding.

    You seem to have the misplaced notion that anyone should be interested in your vitriol.
    As someone who survived WWII in the Netherlands and 3 incendiary bombings by the US Army Air Corps with a faulty atlas let me advise you to refrain from any comment on WWII or religion, take you Lithium and stay off the keyboard for the next few days…..and then try to be civil in the future……Hmm???

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    This TVA example is not relevant. There simply is no evidence that what is claimed to have taken place at the AR camps actually happened.

    Not only the massive amounts of human remains disappeared but the many gigantic mass graves in small camps as well!!

    What a pity… CSI teams around the world are missing out by not hiring this “genius” utu.

    Anybody who does not feel like reading several books but wants to get a feel for how totally idiotic the official holohoax narrative is, re the AR camps, should at least watch the following excellent underground documentary. Burial pits and body disposal starts at around 1:31:00 I think;

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    As well, where we were once told there were about 8K camps, it appears the number is much larger, by a factor of 5:

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/sunday-review/the-holocaust-just-got-more-shocking.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

    Sure, some of these are just silly (WTF is a Berlin “Jew house”?), but it would seem “studies” like these are mainly intended to explain away the conspicuous absence of evidence at the main AR camps, which, we’ve been assured all these years, hold the remains of millions of people.
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  • @L.K
    Sure, that is why, in the real world, in the actual execution gas chambers used in the USA, under optimal conditions, concentrations of 10X to over 20X that value were actually used... with uncooperative prisoners sometimes still taking over 18 minutes to die. BTW, the alleged witnesses to Auschwitz gassings state they took only a few minutes, at most 15-20 minutes.

    Anti-revisionist chemist, Dr. Green, whose expert opinion was requested by van Pelt, ended up admitting that " the HCN concentration in the alleged homicidal gas chambers as a function of time on the basis of a minimum concentration of 5 g/m³ (or 4,165 ppm) and a maximum of 20 g/m³ (or 16,660 ppm; Green)", contradicting van Pelt's own idiotic/unfounded 100-300 ppm.

    Then there is Pressac. Mattogno writes:
    We should not forget either that the most authoritative (mainstream)historian on the subject of Auschwitz, Pressac, has stated that “the gaseous poison used in the homicidal gas chambers was hydrogen cyanide at a high concentration (20 g/m³)” (Les Crématoires d'Auschwitz, 1993, p. 71), corresponding to 16,666 ppm, i.e. 55.5 or even 166.6 times higher than van Pelt’s values.

    Obviously, the absurdity & imbecility of the alleged Auschwitz gassings go far beyond the issue of concentration used.

    Obviously, the absurdity & imbecility of the alleged Auschwitz gassings go far beyond the issue of concentration used.

    Unhinged and ignorant morons like utu flock to such drivel and obsess over every crackpot detail like flies attracted to pig dung.

    They can’t help themselves while they can’t wait to help themselves.

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  • @jacques sheete

    Wow. You are really unhinged. How do you navigate through reality?
     
    I didn't, don't and haven't. That's why I'm here.

    Unhinged? Thank you for your kindness.

    There can be little doubt that Churchill was jealous of Hitler, who was the real deal, not some pretend hero wannabe, mouthy, shithead like Fat Boy, the Stalin appeaser.

    Anyway, regarding your comment, I used to have some respect for you, but you've manged to destroy every speck of it. For our amusement, would you care to elaborate on the reasons for your idiotic comment?

    J.S to utu the Troll: For our amusement, would you care to elaborate on the reasons for your idiotic comment?

    Because utu is a moron?
    There should be a button specially made for utu designated “pompous idiot” or something.

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  • @utu

    Values of different works were copied from each other for a hundred years without any of them checking the original work, which referred to rabbits. The experiment then described how men have a much lower sensitivity than that of small mammals.
     
    Are you saying that Rudolf conducted actual tests in his basement on large mammals on elephants? And he found that Jews are immune to 300ppm of HCN, right?

    There were many test made through out the 20 century. All results are consistent and support that 300pm in 1h is 100% lethal for humans. Actually c. 20 min will suffice or lower concentration over longer time also will work.

    The Rudolf person is really a sad case of a young man who wasted his life by lacking the self-check faculty in his brain that did not kick in to prevent him following his wishful thinking fantasies. He will never admit to his mistakes and will be doubling down because for a male to lose face like that would be worse than death.

    Sure, that is why, in the real world, in the actual execution gas chambers used in the USA, under optimal conditions, concentrations of 10X to over 20X that value were actually used… with uncooperative prisoners sometimes still taking over 18 minutes to die. BTW, the alleged witnesses to Auschwitz gassings state they took only a few minutes, at most 15-20 minutes.

    Anti-revisionist chemist, Dr. Green, whose expert opinion was requested by van Pelt, ended up admitting that ” the HCN concentration in the alleged homicidal gas chambers as a function of time on the basis of a minimum concentration of 5 g/m³ (or 4,165 ppm) and a maximum of 20 g/m³ (or 16,660 ppm; Green)”, contradicting van Pelt’s own idiotic/unfounded 100-300 ppm.

    Then there is Pressac. Mattogno writes:
    We should not forget either that the most authoritative (mainstream)historian on the subject of Auschwitz, Pressac, has stated that “the gaseous poison used in the homicidal gas chambers was hydrogen cyanide at a high concentration (20 g/m³)” (Les Crématoires d’Auschwitz, 1993, p. 71), corresponding to 16,666 ppm, i.e. 55.5 or even 166.6 times higher than van Pelt’s values.

    Obviously, the absurdity & imbecility of the alleged Auschwitz gassings go far beyond the issue of concentration used.

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    Obviously, the absurdity & imbecility of the alleged Auschwitz gassings go far beyond the issue of concentration used.
     
    Unhinged and ignorant morons like utu flock to such drivel and obsess over every crackpot detail like flies attracted to pig dung.

    They can't help themselves while they can't wait to help themselves.
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  • Note to Churchill groupies.

    Will any of you please enlighten me as to how a person can read something like the quote, below, without gagging?

    This is pure, unadulterated, classic, moronic, sophomoric, corny drivel from a master of it.:

    Poor England ! leading her free, careless life from day to day, amid endless good- tempered Parliamentary babble, she followed, wondering, along the downward path which led to all she wanted to avoid. She was continually reassured by the leading articles of the most influential newspapers, with some honourable exceptions, and behaved as if all the world were as easy, uncalculatmg, and»well- meaning as herself..

    -WINSTON S. CHURCHILL , THE SECOND WORLD WAR, VOLUME I, THE GATHERING STORM . p 328

    https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.460779/2015.460779.The-Gathering_djvu.txt

    It’s an obvious pack of lies as well. Churchill even stated that WW2 was really a continuation of WW1, and he knew damned well that ww1 was not started by the Germans, but by the British Empire, and that it was well within their usual modus operandi.

    If anything the author of this fine article was a bit too generous to Churchill in his criticism of the criminal, and if anyone here is unhinged, it’s the Churchill votaries.

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  • @utu

    Values of different works were copied from each other for a hundred years without any of them checking the original work, which referred to rabbits. The experiment then described how men have a much lower sensitivity than that of small mammals.
     
    Are you saying that Rudolf conducted actual tests in his basement on large mammals on elephants? And he found that Jews are immune to 300ppm of HCN, right?

    There were many test made through out the 20 century. All results are consistent and support that 300pm in 1h is 100% lethal for humans. Actually c. 20 min will suffice or lower concentration over longer time also will work.

    The Rudolf person is really a sad case of a young man who wasted his life by lacking the self-check faculty in his brain that did not kick in to prevent him following his wishful thinking fantasies. He will never admit to his mistakes and will be doubling down because for a male to lose face like that would be worse than death.

    I suggest to you: ‘when in a hole, quit digging’.
    This is pure gold.
    Poor Amateur Hour schmuck, you can’t even understand what you cite. Now that is laughable.
    Again: the links to Max Planck Chemist, Germar Rudolf’s work, which is obviously over your head, were given to you and you dodge them for some lame brain .pdf which only a dumb Zionist would fall for.

    Still waiting to see those ‘millions of Jew remains’ you claim.

    You lose again and I still own you.

    This little folly of yours needs to be posted at http://www.codoh.com

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    Listen Wally, your Rudolf who allegedly was trying to work towards his Ph.D at Max Planck from which he was fired did not conduct any experiments on toxicity of HCN. He did not perform gassings of any animals large or small, mammals or insects and did not determine experimentally the curve of TTD (time-to-death) for any animals versus concentration (ppm). Rudolf can only cite the same literature that is available to everybody which reports results form the past experiments on HCN toxicity.

    I have cited two works

    ATSDR (Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry). 1997. Toxicological profile for cyanide. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, Atlanta, GA.
     
    and

    McNamara, B.P. 1976. Estimates of the toxicity of hydrocyanid acid vapors in man. Edgewood Arsenal Technical Report EB-TR-76023, Department of the Army, August, 1976.
     
    where various data are compiled. From them one can establish two points (135ppm,30min) and (547ppm,10min) which were obtained from actual experiments. Via linear interpolation one easily gets that 300ppm of HCN is fatal to humans in 22 minutes. So my previous statements that

    300ppm of HCN is fatal to humans in 1h

     
    is obviously correct. Your Rudolf did not prove that this is not true. To disprove it experiments with life animals would have to be conducted. As far as we know Rudolf has not conducted any experiments with life mammals.

    So if Rudolf claims that, say 10,000ppm kills a human, he is obviously correct. But if claims that 300ppm cannot kill a human in 1h he has not basis for saying it. He would have to conduct experiments to support his claim.

    If he or his followers like you, L.K, Jack "The Unhinged" Scheisse, or the Beefy Head here at unz.com believe that a human can survive 300pm exposure in 1h then you should subject yourself to the experiment. To generate HCN is easy. To control the concentration level is harder but possible. Look up MEC - MONITORING TOXIC GASES IN BREATHING AIR. You can show the strength of your faith in Rudolf. Don't forget to live stream it on FB.

    Or the other option if Rudolf wants to be take seriously he should conduct experiments with live animals or subcontract some lab to do it.

    Rudolf has no case. He did even not try to seriously make it. He is really a joke. A tragic joke for wasting his own life.
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  • @utu

    Values of different works were copied from each other for a hundred years without any of them checking the original work, which referred to rabbits. The experiment then described how men have a much lower sensitivity than that of small mammals.
     
    Are you saying that Rudolf conducted actual tests in his basement on large mammals on elephants? And he found that Jews are immune to 300ppm of HCN, right?

    There were many test made through out the 20 century. All results are consistent and support that 300pm in 1h is 100% lethal for humans. Actually c. 20 min will suffice or lower concentration over longer time also will work.

    The Rudolf person is really a sad case of a young man who wasted his life by lacking the self-check faculty in his brain that did not kick in to prevent him following his wishful thinking fantasies. He will never admit to his mistakes and will be doubling down because for a male to lose face like that would be worse than death.

    You count psychoanalysis among your skills, I see.

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  • @utu

    I’m quite positive that he was jealous of Hitler who really did had some talent despite all the corny mocking of him.
     
    Wow. You are really unhinged. How do you navigate through reality?

    Wow. You are really unhinged. How do you navigate through reality?

    I didn’t, don’t and haven’t. That’s why I’m here.

    Unhinged? Thank you for your kindness.

    There can be little doubt that Churchill was jealous of Hitler, who was the real deal, not some pretend hero wannabe, mouthy, shithead like Fat Boy, the Stalin appeaser.

    Anyway, regarding your comment, I used to have some respect for you, but you’ve manged to destroy every speck of it. For our amusement, would you care to elaborate on the reasons for your idiotic comment?

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    J.S to utu the Troll: For our amusement, would you care to elaborate on the reasons for your idiotic comment?

    Because utu is a moron?
    There should be a button specially made for utu designated "pompous idiot" or something.
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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    Regardless of the precise source, who can possibly doubt that Churchill thought this way?

    Regardless of the precise source, who can possibly doubt that Churchill thought this way?

    Not I!

    The main reason I like original sources is so that I can’t be legitimately accuse do of making up things.

    Churchill was as despicable as it gets, and any admiration for that bullshitter is poorly placed. An arrogant loser from the start.

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    jacques sheete, do you have any information on Churchill's correspondence with Mussolini? I don't remember where I read that Churchill's first act, after he lost election after the war, was to hustle to a location in Switzerland where either a box of currency or a box of correspondence between Churchill and Mussolini was hidden.

    Also read that Mussolini's Jewish mistress, Margharita Sarfatti, who was, of course, beautiful, smart, charming, and quick enough to get the hell out of Dodge when the situation got threatening, hurried back to Italy as soon as the coast was clear, to "secure Mussolini's papers."
    (Dumb, ugly, coarse Claretta Pettacci, was so stupid she died with her lover. But she was loyal.)
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  • @Wally
    Per you dumb 300ppm.
    In locating the pdf's for your references, it was hilarity all around.
    Your impossible 'gas chambers' stand refuted by your own citations !!

    You have been amusingly 'hoisted by your own petard'

    Per your citations, now try to pay attention:
    Values of different works were copied from each other for a hundred years without any of them checking the original work, which referred to rabbits. The experiment then described how men have a much lower sensitivity than that of small mammals.

    You win the Bozo Zionist Award.

    www.codoh.com

    Values of different works were copied from each other for a hundred years without any of them checking the original work, which referred to rabbits. The experiment then described how men have a much lower sensitivity than that of small mammals.

    Are you saying that Rudolf conducted actual tests in his basement on large mammals on elephants? And he found that Jews are immune to 300ppm of HCN, right?

    There were many test made through out the 20 century. All results are consistent and support that 300pm in 1h is 100% lethal for humans. Actually c. 20 min will suffice or lower concentration over longer time also will work.

    The Rudolf person is really a sad case of a young man who wasted his life by lacking the self-check faculty in his brain that did not kick in to prevent him following his wishful thinking fantasies. He will never admit to his mistakes and will be doubling down because for a male to lose face like that would be worse than death.

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    You count psychoanalysis among your skills, I see.
    , @Wally
    I suggest to you: 'when in a hole, quit digging'.
    This is pure gold.
    Poor Amateur Hour schmuck, you can't even understand what you cite. Now that is laughable.
    Again: the links to Max Planck Chemist, Germar Rudolf's work, which is obviously over your head, were given to you and you dodge them for some lame brain .pdf which only a dumb Zionist would fall for.

    Still waiting to see those 'millions of Jew remains' you claim.

    You lose again and I still own you.

    This little folly of yours needs to be posted at www.codoh.com

    , @L.K
    Sure, that is why, in the real world, in the actual execution gas chambers used in the USA, under optimal conditions, concentrations of 10X to over 20X that value were actually used... with uncooperative prisoners sometimes still taking over 18 minutes to die. BTW, the alleged witnesses to Auschwitz gassings state they took only a few minutes, at most 15-20 minutes.

    Anti-revisionist chemist, Dr. Green, whose expert opinion was requested by van Pelt, ended up admitting that " the HCN concentration in the alleged homicidal gas chambers as a function of time on the basis of a minimum concentration of 5 g/m³ (or 4,165 ppm) and a maximum of 20 g/m³ (or 16,660 ppm; Green)", contradicting van Pelt's own idiotic/unfounded 100-300 ppm.

    Then there is Pressac. Mattogno writes:
    We should not forget either that the most authoritative (mainstream)historian on the subject of Auschwitz, Pressac, has stated that “the gaseous poison used in the homicidal gas chambers was hydrogen cyanide at a high concentration (20 g/m³)” (Les Crématoires d'Auschwitz, 1993, p. 71), corresponding to 16,666 ppm, i.e. 55.5 or even 166.6 times higher than van Pelt’s values.

    Obviously, the absurdity & imbecility of the alleged Auschwitz gassings go far beyond the issue of concentration used.
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  • @utu
    We have established that 300ppm in 1h is enough as I stated before. (Actually it is an overkill. 22 min according to literature is enough.)

    I gave you references you can verify it for yourself.

    This means that Rudolf 's "calculations" overestimate amount of Z-B by factor of 10.

    Try to think why Rudolf wanted to overestimate? What argument he was trying to make?

    See the take down of your references that I have posted.
    You are clearly not a STEM person.

    I also notice that you dodged all the other information I posted, again.
    What Jews like you allege is simply impossible

    http://www.codoh.com

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  • @utu

    Source for 300 ppm is?
     
    Actually 300ppm is lethal for humans in 22min exposure. You can get this from interpolating data: 135ppm-30min and 547ppm-10min that you can find in:

    ATSDR (Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry). 1997. Toxicological profile for cyanide. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, Atlanta, GA.

    and

    McNamara, B.P. 1976. Estimates of the toxicity of hydrocyanid acid vapors in man. Edgewood Arsenal Technical Report EB-TR-76023, Department of the Army, August, 1976.

    And we’re not talking about “rats“.
     
    Indeed humans are more resistant than rats but similar to larger mammals like goats and monkeys:


    the resistance of man to HCN to be similar to that of the goat and monkey and four times that of the mouse
     
    No, we are not talking about rats. But you have started.

    If you want we can arrange a test if you doubt 300ppm/1h number. Would you like to volunteer to be a subject? You can bring Rudolf and L.K with you.

    Per you dumb 300ppm.
    In locating the pdf’s for your references, it was hilarity all around.
    Your impossible ‘gas chambers’ stand refuted by your own citations !!

    You have been amusingly ‘hoisted by your own petard’

    Per your citations, now try to pay attention:
    Values of different works were copied from each other for a hundred years without any of them checking the original work, which referred to rabbits. The experiment then described how men have a much lower sensitivity than that of small mammals.

    You win the Bozo Zionist Award.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    • Replies: @utu

    Values of different works were copied from each other for a hundred years without any of them checking the original work, which referred to rabbits. The experiment then described how men have a much lower sensitivity than that of small mammals.
     
    Are you saying that Rudolf conducted actual tests in his basement on large mammals on elephants? And he found that Jews are immune to 300ppm of HCN, right?

    There were many test made through out the 20 century. All results are consistent and support that 300pm in 1h is 100% lethal for humans. Actually c. 20 min will suffice or lower concentration over longer time also will work.

    The Rudolf person is really a sad case of a young man who wasted his life by lacking the self-check faculty in his brain that did not kick in to prevent him following his wishful thinking fantasies. He will never admit to his mistakes and will be doubling down because for a male to lose face like that would be worse than death.
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  • @Wally
    Such moronic nonsense in lieu of the alleged storyline.

    Max Planck Chemist Germar Rudolf says this about your BS that was forwarded to him:
    "repeating the mistakes I exposed [and 'utu' ignored - LOL] as such as proof that I am wrong is silly at best"

    Of course you dodge the fact that pesticide Zyklon-B outgasses for hours, yet fake ‘eyewitnesses’ claim the ‘gas chambers’ doors were opened in just a few minutes as the alleged next batch of 2000 was supposedly waiting just outside the door thinking they were about to get showers. LOL

    For a thorough demolition of the alleged Auschwitz gas chambers & alleged Auschwitz homicidal gassing process see analysis at:
    http://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=model&t=10798&sf=msgonly

    The “Holocau$t Industry” in court:
    ‘Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, … but, but, well, umm, we can’t show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we’re Zionists.’

    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau
    https://youtu.be/SUc6Y_E5zb0

    We have established that 300ppm in 1h is enough as I stated before. (Actually it is an overkill. 22 min according to literature is enough.)

    I gave you references you can verify it for yourself.

    This means that Rudolf ‘s “calculations” overestimate amount of Z-B by factor of 10.

    Try to think why Rudolf wanted to overestimate? What argument he was trying to make?

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    See the take down of your references that I have posted.
    You are clearly not a STEM person.

    I also notice that you dodged all the other information I posted, again.
    What Jews like you allege is simply impossible

    www.codoh.com

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  • @utu

    Source for 300 ppm is?
     
    Actually 300ppm is lethal for humans in 22min exposure. You can get this from interpolating data: 135ppm-30min and 547ppm-10min that you can find in:

    ATSDR (Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry). 1997. Toxicological profile for cyanide. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, Atlanta, GA.

    and

    McNamara, B.P. 1976. Estimates of the toxicity of hydrocyanid acid vapors in man. Edgewood Arsenal Technical Report EB-TR-76023, Department of the Army, August, 1976.

    And we’re not talking about “rats“.
     
    Indeed humans are more resistant than rats but similar to larger mammals like goats and monkeys:


    the resistance of man to HCN to be similar to that of the goat and monkey and four times that of the mouse
     
    No, we are not talking about rats. But you have started.

    If you want we can arrange a test if you doubt 300ppm/1h number. Would you like to volunteer to be a subject? You can bring Rudolf and L.K with you.

    Such moronic nonsense in lieu of the alleged storyline.

    Max Planck Chemist Germar Rudolf says this about your BS that was forwarded to him:
    “repeating the mistakes I exposed [and 'utu' ignored - LOL] as such as proof that I am wrong is silly at best”

    Of course you dodge the fact that pesticide Zyklon-B outgasses for hours, yet fake ‘eyewitnesses’ claim the ‘gas chambers’ doors were opened in just a few minutes as the alleged next batch of 2000 was supposedly waiting just outside the door thinking they were about to get showers. LOL

    For a thorough demolition of the alleged Auschwitz gas chambers & alleged Auschwitz homicidal gassing process see analysis at:

    http://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=model&t=10798&sf=msgonly

    The “Holocau$t Industry” in court:
    ‘Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, … but, but, well, umm, we can’t show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we’re Zionists.’

    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau

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    We have established that 300ppm in 1h is enough as I stated before. (Actually it is an overkill. 22 min according to literature is enough.)

    I gave you references you can verify it for yourself.

    This means that Rudolf 's "calculations" overestimate amount of Z-B by factor of 10.

    Try to think why Rudolf wanted to overestimate? What argument he was trying to make?
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  • @jacques sheete

    I have read the historical accounts you sarcastically put down and find them historically accurate.
     
    Well bully for you, but how anyone can deal with his frequent exposition of cutesy anecdotes without vomiting is beyond me. The stuff is so transparently hagiographic as to be agonizing.

    The guy was an attention seeking drama queen and amoral ass but you're free to worship him as you see fit.

    Grit you say? Don't make me laugh.

    PS: He was a mere dabbler, not a notable artist. One can search for images of his work and it is juvenile and he had no talent for painting at all. I'm quite positive that he was jealous of Hitler who really did had some talent despite all the corny mocking of him.

    I’m quite positive that he was jealous of Hitler who really did had some talent despite all the corny mocking of him.

    Wow. You are really unhinged. How do you navigate through reality?

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    Wow. You are really unhinged. How do you navigate through reality?
     
    I didn't, don't and haven't. That's why I'm here.

    Unhinged? Thank you for your kindness.

    There can be little doubt that Churchill was jealous of Hitler, who was the real deal, not some pretend hero wannabe, mouthy, shithead like Fat Boy, the Stalin appeaser.

    Anyway, regarding your comment, I used to have some respect for you, but you've manged to destroy every speck of it. For our amusement, would you care to elaborate on the reasons for your idiotic comment?

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  • @Wally
    said:
    "- Rudolf is wrong and probably dishonest. 300ppm of HCN will kill a human in 1h.
    - 45 to 54 ppm can be tolerated for 0.5 to 1 hour without immediate or delayed effects while 110 to 135 ppm may be fatal after 0.5 to 1 hour or later, or dangerous to life [Flury and Zernik 1931]
    - The median effective concentrations to produce incapacitation in rats have been determined to be 139 ppm and 115 ppm in 15 and 30 minutes, respectively [Hartzell et al. 1985]"

    Source for 300 ppm is?
    You don't even know the storyline you are hopelessly trying to defend.
    The claims are that Jews were gassed dead in mere minutes, not an hour.
    Therefore massive quantities required/
    And we're not talking about "rats". LOL

    Source for 300 ppm is?

    Actually 300ppm is lethal for humans in 22min exposure. You can get this from interpolating data: 135ppm-30min and 547ppm-10min that you can find in:

    ATSDR (Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry). 1997. Toxicological profile for cyanide. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, Atlanta, GA.

    and

    McNamara, B.P. 1976. Estimates of the toxicity of hydrocyanid acid vapors in man. Edgewood Arsenal Technical Report EB-TR-76023, Department of the Army, August, 1976.

    And we’re not talking about “rats“.

    Indeed humans are more resistant than rats but similar to larger mammals like goats and monkeys:

    the resistance of man to HCN to be similar to that of the goat and monkey and four times that of the mouse

    No, we are not talking about rats. But you have started.

    If you want we can arrange a test if you doubt 300ppm/1h number. Would you like to volunteer to be a subject? You can bring Rudolf and L.K with you.

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    Such moronic nonsense in lieu of the alleged storyline.

    Max Planck Chemist Germar Rudolf says this about your BS that was forwarded to him:
    "repeating the mistakes I exposed [and 'utu' ignored - LOL] as such as proof that I am wrong is silly at best"

    Of course you dodge the fact that pesticide Zyklon-B outgasses for hours, yet fake ‘eyewitnesses’ claim the ‘gas chambers’ doors were opened in just a few minutes as the alleged next batch of 2000 was supposedly waiting just outside the door thinking they were about to get showers. LOL

    For a thorough demolition of the alleged Auschwitz gas chambers & alleged Auschwitz homicidal gassing process see analysis at:
    http://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=model&t=10798&sf=msgonly

    The “Holocau$t Industry” in court:
    ‘Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, … but, but, well, umm, we can’t show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we’re Zionists.’

    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau
    https://youtu.be/SUc6Y_E5zb0

    , @Wally
    Per you dumb 300ppm.
    In locating the pdf's for your references, it was hilarity all around.
    Your impossible 'gas chambers' stand refuted by your own citations !!

    You have been amusingly 'hoisted by your own petard'

    Per your citations, now try to pay attention:
    Values of different works were copied from each other for a hundred years without any of them checking the original work, which referred to rabbits. The experiment then described how men have a much lower sensitivity than that of small mammals.

    You win the Bozo Zionist Award.

    www.codoh.com

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  • @jacques sheete
    Speaking of Churchill, the clown was clearly deranged.

    While searching for the exact source* of this quote,

    I think a curse should rest on me — because I love this war. I know it's smashing and shattering the lives of thousands every moment — and yet — I can't help it — I enjoy every second of it.

    -Winston Churchill, in a letter to a friend (1916).
     
    I found this.:

    https://crimesofbritain.com/2016/09/13/the-trial-of-winston-churchill/


    I have not found the exact source yet, but it's worthwhile to note that even Wikiquotes still has it and they're quite good about eliminating unconfirmed trash, and to only post quotes that conform to what they consider "acceptable."

    Regardless of the precise source, who can possibly doubt that Churchill thought this way?

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    Regardless of the precise source, who can possibly doubt that Churchill thought this way?
     
    Not I!

    The main reason I like original sources is so that I can't be legitimately accuse do of making up things.

    Churchill was as despicable as it gets, and any admiration for that bullshitter is poorly placed. An arrogant loser from the start.
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  • Speaking of Churchill, the clown was clearly deranged.

    While searching for the exact source* of this quote,

    I think a curse should rest on me — because I love this war. I know it’s smashing and shattering the lives of thousands every moment — and yet — I can’t help it — I enjoy every second of it.

    -Winston Churchill, in a letter to a friend (1916).

    I found this.:

    https://crimesofbritain.com/2016/09/13/the-trial-of-winston-churchill/

    I have not found the exact source yet, but it’s worthwhile to note that even Wikiquotes still has it and they’re quite good about eliminating unconfirmed trash, and to only post quotes that conform to what they consider “acceptable.”

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    Regardless of the precise source, who can possibly doubt that Churchill thought this way?
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  • @Simply Simon
    I have an entirely different opinion of Churchill than you. He was far from the "preening pussy" you described. During the time he spent in the Sudan and the Boer War he was constantly exposed to heavy gunfire and was in the thick of it many times. His escape from the Boers, and masterful evasion from capture is testimony to the true grit the man possessed. Yes, I have read the historical accounts you sarcastically put down and find them historically accurate. Furthermore, his command of the English language is a pleasure to read when there are so many hack writers to contend with. His ego may have seemed extreme to some people but his immense talents including his ability as a notable artist justify that in my mind.

    If you are interested in a more accurate view of Churchill than you’re presenting, you may want to read this article, Raico’s “Rethinking Churchill.”

    https://mises.org/library/rethinking-churchill

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  • @Simply Simon
    I have an entirely different opinion of Churchill than you. He was far from the "preening pussy" you described. During the time he spent in the Sudan and the Boer War he was constantly exposed to heavy gunfire and was in the thick of it many times. His escape from the Boers, and masterful evasion from capture is testimony to the true grit the man possessed. Yes, I have read the historical accounts you sarcastically put down and find them historically accurate. Furthermore, his command of the English language is a pleasure to read when there are so many hack writers to contend with. His ego may have seemed extreme to some people but his immense talents including his ability as a notable artist justify that in my mind.

    I have read the historical accounts you sarcastically put down and find them historically accurate.

    Well bully for you, but how anyone can deal with his frequent exposition of cutesy anecdotes without vomiting is beyond me. The stuff is so transparently hagiographic as to be agonizing.

    The guy was an attention seeking drama queen and amoral ass but you’re free to worship him as you see fit.

    Grit you say? Don’t make me laugh.

    PS: He was a mere dabbler, not a notable artist. One can search for images of his work and it is juvenile and he had no talent for painting at all. I’m quite positive that he was jealous of Hitler who really did had some talent despite all the corny mocking of him.

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    I’m quite positive that he was jealous of Hitler who really did had some talent despite all the corny mocking of him.
     
    Wow. You are really unhinged. How do you navigate through reality?
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  • @utu
    Rudolf is wrong and probably dishonest. 300ppm of HCN will kill a human in 1h.

    45 to 54 ppm can be tolerated for 0.5 to 1 hour without immediate or delayed effects while 110 to 135 ppm may be fatal after 0.5 to 1 hour or later, or dangerous to life [Flury and Zernik 1931]

    The median effective concentrations to produce incapacitation in rats have been determined to be 139 ppm and 115 ppm in 15 and 30 minutes, respectively [Hartzell et al. 1985]
     

    Let me fix that for you, troll.

    ‘Utu’ is wrong and certainly 100% dishonest.

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  • @Obsessive Contrarian
    No, soap is made from acids and a base. Oil or animal fat contain fatty acids. They react with lye, a strong base.

    There's no evidence that soap was made from human bodies and leather made from human skin in the extermination camps.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-soap-myth

    But the German extermination of Jews, Gypsies, Poles, and other subject races, the Holocaust, was real, and I don't bother to debate the lunatics who say it wasn't. It's nice that Unz offers them a safe space, otherwise they might cause trouble.

    As far as the Germans are concerned, they declared war on us. Jerks. Fuck 'em.

    You won’t debate because your Zionist propaganda would not hold up.
    Ignorantly said:
    “But the German extermination of Jews, Gypsies, Poles, and other subject races, the Holocaust, was real, and I don’t bother to debate the lunatics who say it wasn’t. It’s nice that Unz offers them a safe space, otherwise they might cause trouble.”

    Is that why you have no proof?
    Is that why there are no claimed ‘millions of human remains’ to be seen?
    Is that why the alleged ‘gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible?
    Is that why Jews have been scamming their fake ’6M’ since at least 1869?

    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

    Is that why there is no proof for the alleged exterminations of gays & gypsies?

    The Myth of a Nazi Extermination of Homosexuals by Jack Wikoff

    http://www.cwporter.com/homo.htm

    Gypsies and Homosexuals in the Camps

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1894

    homosexuals – Yad Vashem …

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1930

    The ‘homosexuals & gypsies’ canard is merely an attempt by Jews to buy votes for their laughable and impossible ’6M & gas chambers’.

    The “Holocau$t Industry” in court:
    ‘Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, … but, but, well, umm, we can’t show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we’re Zionists.’

    You are in way over you head.
    http://www.codoh.com

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  • @utu
    Let me repeat:

    More people in a chamber less HCN one needs to reach 300 ppm level. More people in the chamber causes depletion of oxygen that further facilitates killing. Killing people in batches is cheaper (less HCN) and faster because of O2 depletion.
     

    said:
    “- Rudolf is wrong and probably dishonest. 300ppm of HCN will kill a human in 1h.
    - 45 to 54 ppm can be tolerated for 0.5 to 1 hour without immediate or delayed effects while 110 to 135 ppm may be fatal after 0.5 to 1 hour or later, or dangerous to life [Flury and Zernik 1931]
    - The median effective concentrations to produce incapacitation in rats have been determined to be 139 ppm and 115 ppm in 15 and 30 minutes, respectively [Hartzell et al. 1985]”

    Source for 300 ppm is?
    You don’t even know the storyline you are hopelessly trying to defend.
    The claims are that Jews were gassed dead in mere minutes, not an hour.
    Therefore massive quantities required/
    And we’re not talking about “rats“. LOL

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    Source for 300 ppm is?
     
    Actually 300ppm is lethal for humans in 22min exposure. You can get this from interpolating data: 135ppm-30min and 547ppm-10min that you can find in:

    ATSDR (Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry). 1997. Toxicological profile for cyanide. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, Atlanta, GA.

    and

    McNamara, B.P. 1976. Estimates of the toxicity of hydrocyanid acid vapors in man. Edgewood Arsenal Technical Report EB-TR-76023, Department of the Army, August, 1976.

    And we’re not talking about “rats“.
     
    Indeed humans are more resistant than rats but similar to larger mammals like goats and monkeys:


    the resistance of man to HCN to be similar to that of the goat and monkey and four times that of the mouse
     
    No, we are not talking about rats. But you have started.

    If you want we can arrange a test if you doubt 300ppm/1h number. Would you like to volunteer to be a subject? You can bring Rudolf and L.K with you.
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  • @utu
    Let me repeat:

    More people in a chamber less HCN one needs to reach 300 ppm level. More people in the chamber causes depletion of oxygen that further facilitates killing. Killing people in batches is cheaper (less HCN) and faster because of O2 depletion.
     

    Your source for such nonsense is where exactly? LOL
    Let me repeat real science which you dodged:

    The toxicological literature gives two main threshold values of poisonous substances, from Rudolf – http://www.codoh.com/found/fndgcger.html :
    “The lethal dose 100%, LD100, which gives the concentration or quantity of poison required to kill all (100%) individuals of an observed species. This value is used to make sure that all individuals are successfully killed.
    The lethal dose 1%, LD1, which gives the concentration or quantity of poison required to kill 1% of all individuals of an observed species. This value is used to mark a threshold beyond which an exposition to that poison is definitively dangerous.”
    The argument that a higher concentration of cyanide was needed to kill lice than humans is a canard, and now you can see how deceptive their argument is. They use two different measurement standards for humans and lice, but at 1st glance you think they are using the same standard.

    Chemist, Germar Rudolf has shown: “the minimum amount of Zyklon B to be introduced in these rooms would have been in the order of magnitude of ten times the amount normally used for delousing procedures”.
    Read more in sec. 4 of -
    ‘Critique of Claims Made by Robert Jan Van Pelt’

    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RudolfOnVanPelt.html

    ‘Some Technical and Chemical Considerations about the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz and Birkenau

    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndgcger.html

    ‘Green, Mathis refuted / cyanide: lice, humans, & more’

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=267

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  • @jacques sheete

    I believe the author is being very unfair concerning his rants about Churchill.
     
    My impression of Churchill is that at a minimum he was a narcissistic nut job and play time hero wannabe. The guy was pathetic.

    Have you ever tried to read some of his utterly unctuous, self hagiography? I simply have no adequate words to describe that flip flopping, attention seeking, power hungry, preening pussy. If you can stand to read more than a few sentences, I'd like to know how it's done.

    You are correct that all the wars you mentioned were totally unnecessary and almost who were alive at the time knew it but their efforts simply could not prevent them. Smedley Butler was correct.


    In an effort to PREVENT the war that Churchill called “unnecessary,” (WW2,) this 2 time Medal of Honor recipient wrote...

    “… I spent most of my [33 years in the Marine Corps] being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers.

    In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for [crony] capitalism.”

    Major General Butler USMC, War is a Racket, 1935

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

     

    It's an ancient concept.

    Aristophanes’ Peace plot in a short summary…

    Trygaeus, an Athenian, ends the Peloponnesian War, peacefully thereby earning the favor of farmers while earning the enmity of various merchants who had profited from the hostilities.


     

    Aristophanes was an ancient Greek. ~ 400 BC, playwright.

    I have an entirely different opinion of Churchill than you. He was far from the “preening pussy” you described. During the time he spent in the Sudan and the Boer War he was constantly exposed to heavy gunfire and was in the thick of it many times. His escape from the Boers, and masterful evasion from capture is testimony to the true grit the man possessed. Yes, I have read the historical accounts you sarcastically put down and find them historically accurate. Furthermore, his command of the English language is a pleasure to read when there are so many hack writers to contend with. His ego may have seemed extreme to some people but his immense talents including his ability as a notable artist justify that in my mind.

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    I have read the historical accounts you sarcastically put down and find them historically accurate.
     
    Well bully for you, but how anyone can deal with his frequent exposition of cutesy anecdotes without vomiting is beyond me. The stuff is so transparently hagiographic as to be agonizing.

    The guy was an attention seeking drama queen and amoral ass but you're free to worship him as you see fit.

    Grit you say? Don't make me laugh.

    PS: He was a mere dabbler, not a notable artist. One can search for images of his work and it is juvenile and he had no talent for painting at all. I'm quite positive that he was jealous of Hitler who really did had some talent despite all the corny mocking of him.

    , @jacques sheete
    If you are interested in a more accurate view of Churchill than you're presenting, you may want to read this article, Raico's "Rethinking Churchill."

    https://mises.org/library/rethinking-churchill
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  • @jacques sheete

    The guilt lies with the League for not enforcing it.
     
    Wrong.

    The guilt lies with the moneybag scum that imposed the "treaty" on Germany, and even more so on the usurious scum that started WW1, and I'm not talking about Germans because Germany did not start either war, and besides, the "permanent world revolution "Reds were a much bigger threat to world peace than the Germans ever dreamed of being.


    Why, my fellow citizens, is there any man here or any woman, let me say is there any child here, who does not know that the seed of war in the modern world is industrial and commercial rivalry…and the reason why some nations went into the war against Germany was that they thought Germany would get the commercial advantage of them. The seed of the jealousy, the seed of the deep-seated hatred was hot, successful commercial and industrial rivalry…

    This war, in its inception was a commercial and industrial war. It was not a political war.

    -Woodrow Wilson, Address at the Coliseum in St. Louis, Missouri, September 5, 1919
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=117365
     

    Always remember that the Reds, who openly brayed about conquering and controlling the world, were financed by New York and London moneybags.

    The Germans were a Teutonic race, the humiliation they suffered after their defeat in WWI was just the incentive they needed to restore their manhood. The ink had hardly dried on the Disarmament Treaty when the leadership was devising all kinds of means mostly covert at first, but rapidly changed over the years to build a Wehrmacht that took the combined armies of Britain, France, Russia and the United States to defeat. Had Hitler not “bit off more than he could chew” the outcome would have been entirely different even to the extent that Germany may have been able to develop the atomic bomb before us. Germany my not have officially started WWII but Hitler was going to expand the Fatherland no matter who started it.

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  • @Alden
    Soap is made from fat and oil. Since the inmates were allegedly starved town to 80 pounds for both men and women where did the human fat for the soap come from?

    No, soap is made from acids and a base. Oil or animal fat contain fatty acids. They react with lye, a strong base.

    There’s no evidence that soap was made from human bodies and leather made from human skin in the extermination camps.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-soap-myth

    But the German extermination of Jews, Gypsies, Poles, and other subject races, the Holocaust, was real, and I don’t bother to debate the lunatics who say it wasn’t. It’s nice that Unz offers them a safe space, otherwise they might cause trouble.

    As far as the Germans are concerned, they declared war on us. Jerks. Fuck ‘em.

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    You won't debate because your Zionist propaganda would not hold up.
    Ignorantly said:
    "But the German extermination of Jews, Gypsies, Poles, and other subject races, the Holocaust, was real, and I don’t bother to debate the lunatics who say it wasn’t. It’s nice that Unz offers them a safe space, otherwise they might cause trouble."

    Is that why you have no proof?
    Is that why there are no claimed 'millions of human remains' to be seen?
    Is that why the alleged 'gas chambers' are scientifically impossible?
    Is that why Jews have been scamming their fake '6M' since at least 1869?
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

    Is that why there is no proof for the alleged exterminations of gays & gypsies?

    The Myth of a Nazi Extermination of Homosexuals by Jack Wikoff
    http://www.cwporter.com/homo.htm
    Gypsies and Homosexuals in the Camps
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1894
    homosexuals - Yad Vashem ...
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1930
    The 'homosexuals & gypsies' canard is merely an attempt by Jews to buy votes for their laughable and impossible '6M & gas chambers'.


    The "Holocau$t Industry" in court:
    'Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, ... but, but, well, umm, we can't show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we're Zionists.'
     
    You are in way over you head.
    www.codoh.com
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  • @Wally
    Yet another demolition of your fake science about the amounts of Zyklon-B necessary to kill an alleged 2000 Jews in an alleged very large space. No doubt your will dodge the information, again.

    Chemist, Germar Rudolf has shown: "the minimum amount of Zyklon B to be introduced in these rooms would have been in the order of magnitude of ten times the amount normally used for delousing procedures".
    Read more in sec. 4 of -
    'Critique of Claims Made by Robert Jan Van Pelt'
    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RudolfOnVanPelt.html
    'Some Technical and Chemical Considerations about the 'Gas Chambers' of Auschwitz and Birkenau
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndgcger.html
    'Green, Mathis refuted / cyanide: lice, humans, & more'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=267

    The toxicological literature gives two main threshold values of poisonous substances, from Rudolf - http://www.codoh.com/found/fndgcger.html :
    "The lethal dose 100%, LD100, which gives the concentration or quantity of poison required to kill all (100%) individuals of an observed species. This value is used to make sure that all individuals are successfully killed.
    The lethal dose 1%, LD1, which gives the concentration or quantity of poison required to kill 1% of all individuals of an observed species. This value is used to mark a threshold beyond which an exposition to that poison is definitively dangerous."

    The argument that a higher concentration of cyanide was needed to kill lice than humans is a canard, and now you can see how deceptive their argument is. They use two different measurement standards for humans and lice, but at 1st glance you think they are using the same standard.

    Let me repeat:

    More people in a chamber less HCN one needs to reach 300 ppm level. More people in the chamber causes depletion of oxygen that further facilitates killing. Killing people in batches is cheaper (less HCN) and faster because of O2 depletion.

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    Your source for such nonsense is where exactly? LOL
    Let me repeat real science which you dodged:

    The toxicological literature gives two main threshold values of poisonous substances, from Rudolf – http://www.codoh.com/found/fndgcger.html :
    “The lethal dose 100%, LD100, which gives the concentration or quantity of poison required to kill all (100%) individuals of an observed species. This value is used to make sure that all individuals are successfully killed.
    The lethal dose 1%, LD1, which gives the concentration or quantity of poison required to kill 1% of all individuals of an observed species. This value is used to mark a threshold beyond which an exposition to that poison is definitively dangerous.”
    The argument that a higher concentration of cyanide was needed to kill lice than humans is a canard, and now you can see how deceptive their argument is. They use two different measurement standards for humans and lice, but at 1st glance you think they are using the same standard.

    Chemist, Germar Rudolf has shown: “the minimum amount of Zyklon B to be introduced in these rooms would have been in the order of magnitude of ten times the amount normally used for delousing procedures”.
    Read more in sec. 4 of -
    ‘Critique of Claims Made by Robert Jan Van Pelt’
    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RudolfOnVanPelt.html
    ‘Some Technical and Chemical Considerations about the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz and Birkenau
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndgcger.html
    ‘Green, Mathis refuted / cyanide: lice, humans, & more’
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=267

    , @Wally
    said:
    "- Rudolf is wrong and probably dishonest. 300ppm of HCN will kill a human in 1h.
    - 45 to 54 ppm can be tolerated for 0.5 to 1 hour without immediate or delayed effects while 110 to 135 ppm may be fatal after 0.5 to 1 hour or later, or dangerous to life [Flury and Zernik 1931]
    - The median effective concentrations to produce incapacitation in rats have been determined to be 139 ppm and 115 ppm in 15 and 30 minutes, respectively [Hartzell et al. 1985]"

    Source for 300 ppm is?
    You don't even know the storyline you are hopelessly trying to defend.
    The claims are that Jews were gassed dead in mere minutes, not an hour.
    Therefore massive quantities required/
    And we're not talking about "rats". LOL

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  • @EugeneGur

    For Germans productivity mattered. Mauthausen supposedly was the most productive camp complex. That’s why they fed their prisoners, they protected them from epidemics,
     
    This is a nice delusion, my friend, but it's still a delusion. In winter 0f 1941/42 a group of Soviet POW arrived at Gusen. That's how a witness describes their welcome:

    "The Russian arrived half-naked with bits of rags hanging on their thin bodies, their bootless feet wrapped in rags or straw. For "disinfection" the Russians were forced to shed their rags and, naked, were led to the open air showers where jets of cold water pounded their weak and tired bodies. On the way back the SS and barrack-chiefs beat them. The shower floor and the road back to the quarantine barrack were covered with so-called "prisoners of war".

    The camp's daily rations were halved for them. By the time the barrack-chiefs, capos and the rest of the hierarchy took a triple share of food for themselves, the Russians were left with almost nothing. They just starved to death in the quarantine enclosure.".

    So, those pesky prisoners had the temerity to die in spite of all this tender German care and concern for productivity. Why don't you consult a legal dictionary whether this qualifies as willful murder under aggravated circumstances.

    For a second I thought you are capable of rational argument. My mistake.

    You are too emotionally invested as the result of years of Soviet propaganda that liked to write with lofty pathos about suffering and martyrology. So it is always very emotional prose written usually by people who have never been there. Former prisoners who survived usually describe things with some objectivity and detachment unless they become professional story tellers and began to tune their stories to expectations of the audience and the propagandist who hired them. The quote you enclosed is a perfect example of emotional schlock and schmaltz.

    “The Russian arrived half-naked with bits of rags hanging on their thin bodies, their bootless feet wrapped in rags or straw. For “disinfection” the Russians were forced to shed their rags and, naked, were led to the open air showers where jets of cold water pounded their weak and tired bodies. On the way back the SS and barrack-chiefs beat them. The shower floor and the road back to the quarantine barrack were covered with so-called “prisoners of war”.

    Why “disinfection” is in the quotation marks? Does the writer allude do gassing? They were not gassed. A standard procedure for any prison or camp is described. New arrivals need to be washed and disinfected. In order to take shower people undress. This means they get naked. Why the word “naked” in this piece is used in emotive way? They were in torn rags. Is it it good that they get replacement? Don’t you see you are being emotionally manipulated?

    You are such a sucker. I put some effort in my comments to you in hope that I can broaden your view and understanding. Unfortunately I failed. Furthermore you are a very selfish bastard. No different than some Jews who keep peddling stories that nobody suffered like Jews. For you it is about Soviet POW’s. Perhaps there should be olympics in competition of suffering. Who suffered the most wins. You could have a chance winning a gold medal though believe me, Jewish competition is very tough.

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  • @EugeneGur

    For Germans productivity mattered. Mauthausen supposedly was the most productive camp complex. That’s why they fed their prisoners, they protected them from epidemics,
     
    This is a nice delusion, my friend, but it's still a delusion. In winter 0f 1941/42 a group of Soviet POW arrived at Gusen. That's how a witness describes their welcome:

    "The Russian arrived half-naked with bits of rags hanging on their thin bodies, their bootless feet wrapped in rags or straw. For "disinfection" the Russians were forced to shed their rags and, naked, were led to the open air showers where jets of cold water pounded their weak and tired bodies. On the way back the SS and barrack-chiefs beat them. The shower floor and the road back to the quarantine barrack were covered with so-called "prisoners of war".

    The camp's daily rations were halved for them. By the time the barrack-chiefs, capos and the rest of the hierarchy took a triple share of food for themselves, the Russians were left with almost nothing. They just starved to death in the quarantine enclosure.".

    So, those pesky prisoners had the temerity to die in spite of all this tender German care and concern for productivity. Why don't you consult a legal dictionary whether this qualifies as willful murder under aggravated circumstances.

    For a second I thought you are capable of rational argument. My mistake.

    said:
    ” That’s how a witness describes their welcome:”

    What “witness” is that? Do tell.

    Remember, there are “witnesses” to witchcraft too.

    The whole claim debunks itself. Why go to the expense, time, use of war time personnel to transport a bunch of POWs from the far away eastern front just to starve them to death at Gusen?
    Really stupid claim.
    But then consider the irrational source.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  • @utu

    You distinction is too fine for me.
     
    I suspected that. Soviet propaganda was not known for nuance You are its product. Perhaps you should check in a legal dictionary what is a distinction between voluntary and involuntary manslaughter and murder.

    The reason you care about Mauthausen is because quite a few Red Army soldiers died there, including some family member of yours, right? Mauthausen featured in Soviet propaganda a lot. In Soviet propaganda Jewish victims and Jewish Holocaust was sidelined. The emphasis was placed on the multitude of nationalities as victims of fascism but their largest common denominator which was being Jewish was not emphasized and often was being hidden. The communist did not want to be seen as saviors of Jews or their tools. The word "Jew" itself was a taboo. Several Soviet films about the WWII were not released by censorship because the Jewish story was too prominent in them. In Soviet films like Судьба человека prisoners are forced to do a pointless work under the supervision of sadistic SS guards in process of which they are supposed to die. This was not the norm in most of the camps. It is possible that images like these were more likely to be found in Soviet Gulag camps. For Germans productivity mattered. Mauthausen supposedly was the most productive camp complex. That's why they fed their prisoners, they protected them from epidemics, they had even hospitals where some prisoners underwent successful (not some experimental by dr. Mengele or dr. Wirth) surgeries that saved their lives, they permitted them to receive packages from outside and on some occasions they punished guards who were too brutal. In Auschwitz the treatment of prisoners was much worse in the very beginning of camp existence. At some point after some intervention in Berlin some cruel treatment and beatings stopped.

    After 1967 when Holocaust name was coined and the narrative was being rewritten by American Jews a shift in the opposite direction occurred. The presence of non-Jewish victims like Red Army soldiers was being deemphasized. As the result most people in the US will be surprised to hearing anon Jew was in Auschwitz. I am afraid the sam goes for Israel where young kids are indoctrinated with only one part of the story. Both narratives, the Soviet one and the Jewish one are unbalanced. From the Jewish narrative I accept the distinction that the term "extermination camp" refers to places where predominantly Jews were being brought to be annihilate directly w/o intention of using them as laborers. Treblinka fits this the best and Auschwitz only partially and Mauthausen not at all. The other camps where prisoners were utilized as laborers should be called labor camps. The high death toll in them was chiefly the result of diseases like typhoid fever amplified by malnutrition and overwork.

    The crematoria were built in labor camps (including Auschwitz) not in anticipation of doing mass gassings but as an effort to deal with the huge death toll due to epidemics. Camp authorities, as far as I know from former prisoners literature were doing everything to prevent epidemics and contain them. At some point mass gassings of Jews began and the crematoria were used but they were insufficient that's why bodies were cremated outside in large pyres.

    For Germans productivity mattered. Mauthausen supposedly was the most productive camp complex. That’s why they fed their prisoners, they protected them from epidemics,

    This is a nice delusion, my friend, but it’s still a delusion. In winter 0f 1941/42 a group of Soviet POW arrived at Gusen. That’s how a witness describes their welcome:

    “The Russian arrived half-naked with bits of rags hanging on their thin bodies, their bootless feet wrapped in rags or straw. For “disinfection” the Russians were forced to shed their rags and, naked, were led to the open air showers where jets of cold water pounded their weak and tired bodies. On the way back the SS and barrack-chiefs beat them. The shower floor and the road back to the quarantine barrack were covered with so-called “prisoners of war”.

    The camp’s daily rations were halved for them. By the time the barrack-chiefs, capos and the rest of the hierarchy took a triple share of food for themselves, the Russians were left with almost nothing. They just starved to death in the quarantine enclosure.”.

    So, those pesky prisoners had the temerity to die in spite of all this tender German care and concern for productivity. Why don’t you consult a legal dictionary whether this qualifies as willful murder under aggravated circumstances.

    For a second I thought you are capable of rational argument. My mistake.

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    said:
    " That’s how a witness describes their welcome:"

    What "witness" is that? Do tell.

    Remember, there are "witnesses" to witchcraft too.

    The whole claim debunks itself. Why go to the expense, time, use of war time personnel to transport a bunch of POWs from the far away eastern front just to starve them to death at Gusen?
    Really stupid claim.
    But then consider the irrational source.

    www.codoh.com

    , @utu
    You are too emotionally invested as the result of years of Soviet propaganda that liked to write with lofty pathos about suffering and martyrology. So it is always very emotional prose written usually by people who have never been there. Former prisoners who survived usually describe things with some objectivity and detachment unless they become professional story tellers and began to tune their stories to expectations of the audience and the propagandist who hired them. The quote you enclosed is a perfect example of emotional schlock and schmaltz.

    “The Russian arrived half-naked with bits of rags hanging on their thin bodies, their bootless feet wrapped in rags or straw. For “disinfection” the Russians were forced to shed their rags and, naked, were led to the open air showers where jets of cold water pounded their weak and tired bodies. On the way back the SS and barrack-chiefs beat them. The shower floor and the road back to the quarantine barrack were covered with so-called “prisoners of war”.
     
    Why “disinfection” is in the quotation marks? Does the writer allude do gassing? They were not gassed. A standard procedure for any prison or camp is described. New arrivals need to be washed and disinfected. In order to take shower people undress. This means they get naked. Why the word "naked" in this piece is used in emotive way? They were in torn rags. Is it it good that they get replacement? Don't you see you are being emotionally manipulated?

    You are such a sucker. I put some effort in my comments to you in hope that I can broaden your view and understanding. Unfortunately I failed. Furthermore you are a very selfish bastard. No different than some Jews who keep peddling stories that nobody suffered like Jews. For you it is about Soviet POW's. Perhaps there should be olympics in competition of suffering. Who suffered the most wins. You could have a chance winning a gold medal though believe me, Jewish competition is very tough.
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  • @jacques sheete

    I just don’t see any difference between dying from dysentery, hypothermia malnutrition, diphtheria gassing, or a gun shot.
     
    In this case, a main difference is that those things were the result of those who started the war, (not Germans) and more particularly, the British starvation blockade.

    Yes. It needs to be remembered that German actions, harsh as they often were, took place in the context of a war they did not want for the most part. This does not entirely exempt them from blame, but it is absurd to view them as somehow uniquely evil.

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  • @Alden
    Sorry. I just don’t see any difference between dying from dysentery, hypothermia malnutrition, diphtheria gassing, or a gun shot.

    I just don’t see any difference between dying from dysentery, hypothermia malnutrition, diphtheria gassing, or a gun shot.

    In this case, a main difference is that those things were the result of those who started the war, (not Germans) and more particularly, the British starvation blockade.

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    Yes. It needs to be remembered that German actions, harsh as they often were, took place in the context of a war they did not want for the most part. This does not entirely exempt them from blame, but it is absurd to view them as somehow uniquely evil.
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  • @utu

    That’s for one isolated, theoretical person, NOT the impossibly alleged ‘2000 per batch, day & night’.
     
    In this utterance you pose two separate issues. The first one that it is easier to kill one isolated person with 300 ppm of HCN than many is nonsense. More people in a chamber less HCN one needs to reach 300 ppm level. More people in the chamber causes depletion of oxygen that further facilities killing. Killing people in batches is cheaper (less HCN) and faster because of O2 depletion.

    Whether it was ‘2000 per batch, day & night’ or whether it was ‘1000 per batch, every other night or sometimes once a week’ is an argument about victim count and not about the method and its feasibility.

    No matter how many arguments are brought up form the CODOH bible mass gassing can't be disproven. Just like no matter how many quotes a Jehovah Witness brings up form the bible the existence of god can't be proven or disproven.

    Yet another demolition of your fake science about the amounts of Zyklon-B necessary to kill an alleged 2000 Jews in an alleged very large space. No doubt your will dodge the information, again.

    Chemist, Germar Rudolf has shown: “the minimum amount of Zyklon B to be introduced in these rooms would have been in the order of magnitude of ten times the amount normally used for delousing procedures”.
    Read more in sec. 4 of -
    ‘Critique of Claims Made by Robert Jan Van Pelt’

    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RudolfOnVanPelt.html

    ‘Some Technical and Chemical Considerations about the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz and Birkenau

    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndgcger.html

    ‘Green, Mathis refuted / cyanide: lice, humans, & more’

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=267

    The toxicological literature gives two main threshold values of poisonous substances, from Rudolf – http://www.codoh.com/found/fndgcger.html :
    “The lethal dose 100%, LD100, which gives the concentration or quantity of poison required to kill all (100%) individuals of an observed species. This value is used to make sure that all individuals are successfully killed.
    The lethal dose 1%, LD1, which gives the concentration or quantity of poison required to kill 1% of all individuals of an observed species. This value is used to mark a threshold beyond which an exposition to that poison is definitively dangerous.”

    The argument that a higher concentration of cyanide was needed to kill lice than humans is a canard, and now you can see how deceptive their argument is. They use two different measurement standards for humans and lice, but at 1st glance you think they are using the same standard.

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    Let me repeat:

    More people in a chamber less HCN one needs to reach 300 ppm level. More people in the chamber causes depletion of oxygen that further facilitates killing. Killing people in batches is cheaper (less HCN) and faster because of O2 depletion.
     
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  • @utu

    That’s for one isolated, theoretical person, NOT the impossibly alleged ‘2000 per batch, day & night’.
     
    In this utterance you pose two separate issues. The first one that it is easier to kill one isolated person with 300 ppm of HCN than many is nonsense. More people in a chamber less HCN one needs to reach 300 ppm level. More people in the chamber causes depletion of oxygen that further facilities killing. Killing people in batches is cheaper (less HCN) and faster because of O2 depletion.

    Whether it was ‘2000 per batch, day & night’ or whether it was ‘1000 per batch, every other night or sometimes once a week’ is an argument about victim count and not about the method and its feasibility.

    No matter how many arguments are brought up form the CODOH bible mass gassing can't be disproven. Just like no matter how many quotes a Jehovah Witness brings up form the bible the existence of god can't be proven or disproven.

    - Again, you failed to show us the millions of human remains that Jews claim to know the locations of.

    - You are scientifically incompetent, ridiculous. Reaching the necessary level in the size of the alleged ‘gas chambers’ with 2000 people supposedly in them render your words preposterous. Not to mention the fact that the pesticide Zyklon-B outgasses for hours yet fake ‘eyewitnesses’ claim the ‘gas chambers’ doors were opened in just a few minutes after the beginning …. as the alleged next batch of 2000 was supposedly waiting just outside the door thinking they were about to get showers. LOL

    http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/7.html

    Assuming an execution time approximately corresponding to those in US execution gas chambers (ten minutes and more at 3,200 ppm HCN, see chapter 7.1.), a concentration of at least 3,000 ppm (3.6g/m3) would have had to have reached even the remotest corner of the chamber after only half this time (five minutes). With a free volume of 430 m3 in morgue 1 of crematoria II and III,[466] this corresponds to a quantity of hydrogen cyanide of approximately 1.5 kg released and spread out after five minutes. Since the carrier material only releases approximately 10% of its hydrogen cyanide content after five minutes (see chapter 7.2.), at least ten times that amount would have been required in order to kill in only a few minutes, i.e., this would mean the utilization of at least 15 kg of Zyklon B.[467] This, of course, only applies on the condition that the hydrogen cyanide released reached the victims immediately, which cannot be expected in large, overcrowded cellars. It must therefore be considered established that quantities of at least 20 kg of Zyklon B per gassing (ten 2 kg cans or twenty 1 kg cans) would probably have had to have been used for the gassing procedures described.

    Let us state that the scenarios described by the ‘witnesses’ would require a quick increase in the concentration of hydrogen cyanide everywhere in the chamber. At the same time, logically, there cannot have been a simultaneous drop in the hydrogen cyanide in the chamber-such as through the respiration of the victims. Such a loss in hydrogen cyanide would have had to have been overcompensated for through an even more rapid evaporation of fresh hydrogen cyanide, because the hydrogen cyanide concentration would have had to increase for rapid executions. After the end of respiration due to increasing numbers of dead victims, who died in a matter of minutes, this most important cause of a loss in hydrogen cyanide would have ceased to exist as a factor. But since Zyklon B continues to give off large amounts of hydrogen cyanide for many more minutes, it must be assumed that the hydrogen cyanide content in such chambers would continue to increase constantly, and very rapidly, during the first quarter hour at least. Since deadly concentrations (3,200 ppm) would have had to have been reached even in the remotest corner of the chamber even after a few minutes, this means that the hydrogen cyanide concentration inside the chamber after approximately one quarter hour would have exceeded 10,000 ppm and would have continued to rise thereafter-slowly, of course, but nevertheless constantly at all times.

    For another thorough demolition of the alleged Auschwitz gas chambers & alleged Auschwitz homicidal gassing process see analysis at:

    http://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=model&t=10798&sf=msgonly

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  • @Alden
    Soap is made from fat and oil. Since the inmates were allegedly starved town to 80 pounds for both men and women where did the human fat for the soap come from?

    Yet the fake “survivor$” say that they saw & used soap made from Jews.
    You agree then, they are liars.

    Such is the fake ‘holocaust’.

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  • @Wally
    According to international law the prime obligation of the Allies was to spare needless deaths of civilians. By strafing and bombing supplies & medicines being carried to civilian camps, that the allies knew were in dire need & of no military value, is a massive Allied war crime.
    Anne Frank's example is utter proof that Auschwitz was not an extermination camp. Frank was sent to Auschwitz and later transported west where she died of disease that was prevalent throughout Europe at that time.
    Anne Franks supposed "diary" is a joke, as fake as a three dollar bill. Recall the ballpoint pen. LOL
    Here are 4 different samples of handwriting in it. Hardly the same people.
    http://www.ihr.org/images/jhr/v09/v09p-97_Faurisson1.jpg
    Sample 1: 29 April 1940:
    Anne was almost 11. Source: New York Times, 22 July 1988, p. A1.
    http://www.ihr.org/images/jhr/v09/v09p-97_Faurisson2.jpg
    Sample 2: 30 July 1941:
    Anne was a little more than 12. Source: De Dagboeken van Anne Frank, Amsterdam; RIOD, 1986, p. 126.
    http://www.ihr.org/images/jhr/v09/v09p-97_Faurisson3.jpg
    Sample 3: 12 June 1942:
    Anne was exactly 13. Source: Journal de Anne Frank, Calmann-Levy, 1950.
    http://www.ihr.org/images/jhr/v09/v09p-97_Faurisson4.jpg
    Sample 4: 10 Oct 1942:
    Anne was a little more than 13. Source: Journal de Anne Frank, Livre de Poche, 1975.
    more:
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v03/v03p147_Faurisson.html
    and:
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n6p-2_Faurisson.html
    and:
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p-97_Faurisson.html
    Anne Frank’s Diary Gains ‘Co-Author’
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9924
    and:
    'Is the Diary of Anne Frank Genuine?'
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5051

    The author of the published diary, Meyer Levin had to sue Anne’s father Otto for the $50,000 Frank contracted to pay Levin for his work.

    Levin submitted the real diary and his diary as evidence. Comparision of the 2 proved that Levin wrote the published diary, not the 13 year old Anne.

    Frank was ordered to pay the entire $50,000 although the money probably came from ADL AJC or some other Jewish organization

    A few years ago the Jews were claiming that there were new pages from the diary just discovered. It was a big deal for a while. Then it was forgotten.

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  • @jilles dykstra
    You, in my opinion, have no idea what a war is.

    And you don’t know how a proper prison should be run.

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    That really has nothing to do with the point I was making.

    Sorry. I just don’t see any difference between dying from dysentery, hypothermia malnutrition, diphtheria gassing, or a gun shot.

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    I just don’t see any difference between dying from dysentery, hypothermia malnutrition, diphtheria gassing, or a gun shot.
     
    In this case, a main difference is that those things were the result of those who started the war, (not Germans) and more particularly, the British starvation blockade.
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  • @Wally
    Your fellow Zionist propagandist clone, Alden, brought up Anne Frank, Bozo.

    And you dodge my debunking of your laughable anti science Auschwitz & Mauthausen 'gas chambers'.

    So where's your claimed huge mass grave contents to see while we're at it? You're all bluff.

    You have nothing but propaganda and you know it.

    Mother and I used to get up at four in the morning [at Belsen], to avoid the queues of people waiting to use the shower block about and hour later. We undressed and showered our bodies with ice-cold water. The only soap we had was a barrel of honey-coloured liquid soap, manufactured out of human flesh from the bodies of people shot by the SS on the transports. Many times we wondered: 'Could this be my brother, my sister, another relation?

    - Gena Turgel nee Goldfinger, I Light a Candle, London: Grafton, 1987, p. 102.
     
    www.codoh.com

    Soap is made from fat and oil. Since the inmates were allegedly starved town to 80 pounds for both men and women where did the human fat for the soap come from?

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    Yet the fake "survivor$" say that they saw & used soap made from Jews.
    You agree then, they are liars.

    Such is the fake 'holocaust'.
    , @Obsessive Contrarian
    No, soap is made from acids and a base. Oil or animal fat contain fatty acids. They react with lye, a strong base.

    There's no evidence that soap was made from human bodies and leather made from human skin in the extermination camps.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-soap-myth

    But the German extermination of Jews, Gypsies, Poles, and other subject races, the Holocaust, was real, and I don't bother to debate the lunatics who say it wasn't. It's nice that Unz offers them a safe space, otherwise they might cause trouble.

    As far as the Germans are concerned, they declared war on us. Jerks. Fuck 'em.
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  • @Wally
    That's for one isolated, theoretical person, NOT the impossibly alleged '2000 per batch, day & night'.

    Obviously you did not read the Rudolf Report.
    http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/index.html

    That’s for one isolated, theoretical person, NOT the impossibly alleged ‘2000 per batch, day & night’.

    In this utterance you pose two separate issues. The first one that it is easier to kill one isolated person with 300 ppm of HCN than many is nonsense. More people in a chamber less HCN one needs to reach 300 ppm level. More people in the chamber causes depletion of oxygen that further facilities killing. Killing people in batches is cheaper (less HCN) and faster because of O2 depletion.

    Whether it was ‘2000 per batch, day & night’ or whether it was ‘1000 per batch, every other night or sometimes once a week’ is an argument about victim count and not about the method and its feasibility.

    No matter how many arguments are brought up form the CODOH bible mass gassing can’t be disproven. Just like no matter how many quotes a Jehovah Witness brings up form the bible the existence of god can’t be proven or disproven.

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    - Again, you failed to show us the millions of human remains that Jews claim to know the locations of.

    - You are scientifically incompetent, ridiculous. Reaching the necessary level in the size of the alleged 'gas chambers' with 2000 people supposedly in them render your words preposterous. Not to mention the fact that the pesticide Zyklon-B outgasses for hours yet fake 'eyewitnesses' claim the 'gas chambers' doors were opened in just a few minutes after the beginning .... as the alleged next batch of 2000 was supposedly waiting just outside the door thinking they were about to get showers. LOL

    http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/7.html

    Assuming an execution time approximately corresponding to those in US execution gas chambers (ten minutes and more at 3,200 ppm HCN, see chapter 7.1.), a concentration of at least 3,000 ppm (3.6g/m3) would have had to have reached even the remotest corner of the chamber after only half this time (five minutes). With a free volume of 430 m3 in morgue 1 of crematoria II and III,[466] this corresponds to a quantity of hydrogen cyanide of approximately 1.5 kg released and spread out after five minutes. Since the carrier material only releases approximately 10% of its hydrogen cyanide content after five minutes (see chapter 7.2.), at least ten times that amount would have been required in order to kill in only a few minutes, i.e., this would mean the utilization of at least 15 kg of Zyklon B.[467] This, of course, only applies on the condition that the hydrogen cyanide released reached the victims immediately, which cannot be expected in large, overcrowded cellars. It must therefore be considered established that quantities of at least 20 kg of Zyklon B per gassing (ten 2 kg cans or twenty 1 kg cans) would probably have had to have been used for the gassing procedures described.

    Let us state that the scenarios described by the 'witnesses' would require a quick increase in the concentration of hydrogen cyanide everywhere in the chamber. At the same time, logically, there cannot have been a simultaneous drop in the hydrogen cyanide in the chamber-such as through the respiration of the victims. Such a loss in hydrogen cyanide would have had to have been overcompensated for through an even more rapid evaporation of fresh hydrogen cyanide, because the hydrogen cyanide concentration would have had to increase for rapid executions. After the end of respiration due to increasing numbers of dead victims, who died in a matter of minutes, this most important cause of a loss in hydrogen cyanide would have ceased to exist as a factor. But since Zyklon B continues to give off large amounts of hydrogen cyanide for many more minutes, it must be assumed that the hydrogen cyanide content in such chambers would continue to increase constantly, and very rapidly, during the first quarter hour at least. Since deadly concentrations (3,200 ppm) would have had to have been reached even in the remotest corner of the chamber even after a few minutes, this means that the hydrogen cyanide concentration inside the chamber after approximately one quarter hour would have exceeded 10,000 ppm and would have continued to rise thereafter-slowly, of course, but nevertheless constantly at all times.
     
    For another thorough demolition of the alleged Auschwitz gas chambers & alleged Auschwitz homicidal gassing process see analysis at:
    http://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=model&t=10798&sf=msgonly
    , @Wally
    Yet another demolition of your fake science about the amounts of Zyklon-B necessary to kill an alleged 2000 Jews in an alleged very large space. No doubt your will dodge the information, again.

    Chemist, Germar Rudolf has shown: "the minimum amount of Zyklon B to be introduced in these rooms would have been in the order of magnitude of ten times the amount normally used for delousing procedures".
    Read more in sec. 4 of -
    'Critique of Claims Made by Robert Jan Van Pelt'
    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RudolfOnVanPelt.html
    'Some Technical and Chemical Considerations about the 'Gas Chambers' of Auschwitz and Birkenau
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndgcger.html
    'Green, Mathis refuted / cyanide: lice, humans, & more'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=267

    The toxicological literature gives two main threshold values of poisonous substances, from Rudolf - http://www.codoh.com/found/fndgcger.html :
    "The lethal dose 100%, LD100, which gives the concentration or quantity of poison required to kill all (100%) individuals of an observed species. This value is used to make sure that all individuals are successfully killed.
    The lethal dose 1%, LD1, which gives the concentration or quantity of poison required to kill 1% of all individuals of an observed species. This value is used to mark a threshold beyond which an exposition to that poison is definitively dangerous."

    The argument that a higher concentration of cyanide was needed to kill lice than humans is a canard, and now you can see how deceptive their argument is. They use two different measurement standards for humans and lice, but at 1st glance you think they are using the same standard.

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  • @EugeneGur

    One has to be careful with language. Extermination like the one allegedly occurring in Treblinka where people where killed right after their arrivals and the de facto extermination via harsh conditions and treatment like in Mauthausen are two different phenomena.
     
    You distinction is too fine for me. If you deprive a person of food, you kill him just as surely as if you gassed or shot him. I also do not doubt that every camp had its own regime of treatment; in fact, I know that to be true. I fail to understand how these detail change the big picture and I am not sure what you are trying to prove here.

    If we are allowed to call Mauthausen an extermination camp

     

    I was talking about official German designation as you are no doubt noticed. The documents show the German often suited actions to the words, i.e. acted in accordance with the designation with regard to certain categories of prisoners, and I am not talking exclusively about the Jews.

    Quite the opposite: an ossified mind that is incapable to reverse the indoctrination (of Soviet provenience most likely) it underwent
     
    If I am to engage in psychological mambo-jumbo you are all very fond of, I'd say the likes of you aren't as simpleminded as that Wally character here with his ridiculous Website, but still you aren't prepared to accept the reality of Germany's behavior. That's why you make valiant attempts to deny unpleasant facts based on technicalities ("Mauthausen was'd a death camp", "gassing didn't happen in the West but further East", "prisoners weren't killed right away but died from harsh conditions" and such), and, then this fails, resort to personal attacks, which are really uncalled for.

    You distinction is too fine for me.

    I suspected that. Soviet propaganda was not known for nuance You are its product. Perhaps you should check in a legal dictionary what is a distinction between voluntary and involuntary manslaughter and murder.

    The reason you care about Mauthausen is because quite a few Red Army soldiers died there, including some family member of yours, right? Mauthausen featured in Soviet propaganda a lot. In Soviet propaganda Jewish victims and Jewish Holocaust was sidelined. The emphasis was placed on the multitude of nationalities as victims of fascism but their largest common denominator which was being Jewish was not emphasized and often was being hidden. The communist did not want to be seen as saviors of Jews or their tools. The word “Jew” itself was a taboo. Several Soviet films about the WWII were not released by censorship because the Jewish story was too prominent in them. In Soviet films like Судьба человека prisoners are forced to do a pointless work under the supervision of sadistic SS guards in process of which they are supposed to die. This was not the norm in most of the camps. It is possible that images like these were more likely to be found in Soviet Gulag camps. For Germans productivity mattered. Mauthausen supposedly was the most productive camp complex. That’s why they fed their prisoners, they protected them from epidemics, they had even hospitals where some prisoners underwent successful (not some experimental by dr. Mengele or dr. Wirth) surgeries that saved their lives, they permitted them to receive packages from outside and on some occasions they punished guards who were too brutal. In Auschwitz the treatment of prisoners was much worse in the very beginning of camp existence. At some point after some intervention in Berlin some cruel treatment and beatings stopped.

    After 1967 when Holocaust name was coined and the narrative was being rewritten by American Jews a shift in the opposite direction occurred. The presence of non-Jewish victims like Red Army soldiers was being deemphasized. As the result most people in the US will be surprised to hearing anon Jew was in Auschwitz. I am afraid the sam goes for Israel where young kids are indoctrinated with only one part of the story. Both narratives, the Soviet one and the Jewish one are unbalanced. From the Jewish narrative I accept the distinction that the term “extermination camp” refers to places where predominantly Jews were being brought to be annihilate directly w/o intention of using them as laborers. Treblinka fits this the best and Auschwitz only partially and Mauthausen not at all. The other camps where prisoners were utilized as laborers should be called labor camps. The high death toll in them was chiefly the result of diseases like typhoid fever amplified by malnutrition and overwork.

    The crematoria were built in labor camps (including Auschwitz) not in anticipation of doing mass gassings but as an effort to deal with the huge death toll due to epidemics. Camp authorities, as far as I know from former prisoners literature were doing everything to prevent epidemics and contain them. At some point mass gassings of Jews began and the crematoria were used but they were insufficient that’s why bodies were cremated outside in large pyres.

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    For Germans productivity mattered. Mauthausen supposedly was the most productive camp complex. That’s why they fed their prisoners, they protected them from epidemics,
     
    This is a nice delusion, my friend, but it's still a delusion. In winter 0f 1941/42 a group of Soviet POW arrived at Gusen. That's how a witness describes their welcome:

    "The Russian arrived half-naked with bits of rags hanging on their thin bodies, their bootless feet wrapped in rags or straw. For "disinfection" the Russians were forced to shed their rags and, naked, were led to the open air showers where jets of cold water pounded their weak and tired bodies. On the way back the SS and barrack-chiefs beat them. The shower floor and the road back to the quarantine barrack were covered with so-called "prisoners of war".

    The camp's daily rations were halved for them. By the time the barrack-chiefs, capos and the rest of the hierarchy took a triple share of food for themselves, the Russians were left with almost nothing. They just starved to death in the quarantine enclosure.".

    So, those pesky prisoners had the temerity to die in spite of all this tender German care and concern for productivity. Why don't you consult a legal dictionary whether this qualifies as willful murder under aggravated circumstances.

    For a second I thought you are capable of rational argument. My mistake.
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  • @Simply Simon
    I believe the author is being very unfair concerning his rants about Churchill. It is on record that he went to great lengths to warn the free nations that the Germans were violating the League of Nation's Disarmament Treaty which when first enforced virtually disarmed that nation. The guilt lies with the League for not enforcing it. WWII was totally unnecessary and the resultant slaughter of innocents a terrible thing to behold. But once the war was engaged blood lust begat blood lust. The people of England were terrorized by bombs from the sky, V-1s (buzz bombs) and later the 2000 pound V-2 . I don't believe the author lived in England at the time, if he had he may have changed his mind about the retaliation showered against the Germans. As a pacifist, I believe every war including WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam , Iraq and Afghanistan could have been avoided had not warmongering been involved. It is always the innocents who pay the price while the guilty go free.

    I believe the author is being very unfair concerning his rants about Churchill.

    My impression of Churchill is that at a minimum he was a narcissistic nut job and play time hero wannabe. The guy was pathetic.

    Have you ever tried to read some of his utterly unctuous, self hagiography? I simply have no adequate words to describe that flip flopping, attention seeking, power hungry, preening pussy. If you can stand to read more than a few sentences, I’d like to know how it’s done.

    You are correct that all the wars you mentioned were totally unnecessary and almost who were alive at the time knew it but their efforts simply could not prevent them. Smedley Butler was correct.

    In an effort to PREVENT the war that Churchill called “unnecessary,” (WW2,) this 2 time Medal of Honor recipient wrote…

    “… I spent most of my [33 years in the Marine Corps] being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers.

    In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for [crony] capitalism.”

    Major General Butler USMC, War is a Racket, 1935

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

    It’s an ancient concept.

    Aristophanes’ Peace plot in a short summary…

    Trygaeus, an Athenian, ends the Peloponnesian War, peacefully thereby earning the favor of farmers while earning the enmity of various merchants who had profited from the hostilities.

    Aristophanes was an ancient Greek. ~ 400 BC, playwright.

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    I have an entirely different opinion of Churchill than you. He was far from the "preening pussy" you described. During the time he spent in the Sudan and the Boer War he was constantly exposed to heavy gunfire and was in the thick of it many times. His escape from the Boers, and masterful evasion from capture is testimony to the true grit the man possessed. Yes, I have read the historical accounts you sarcastically put down and find them historically accurate. Furthermore, his command of the English language is a pleasure to read when there are so many hack writers to contend with. His ego may have seemed extreme to some people but his immense talents including his ability as a notable artist justify that in my mind.
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  • @Wally
    said:
    "likes of you aren’t as simpleminded as that Wally character here with his ridiculous Website"
    So, do tell us what's wrong with www.codoh.com
    And do tell me where I'm wrong about the 'holocaust debunking posts I have added here.
    You have not, you cannot, you're all Zionist bluff.
    Only Zionists think that ignoring war time international laws and Allied killing of civilians in labor camps is just fine. After all, Zionists still do it on a daily basis.
    recommended
    The Auschwitz "Gas Chamber" Illusion by Nicholas Kollerstrom
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9689
    and:
    What Happened to the Jews Who Were Deported to Auschwitz But Were Not Registered There?
    https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n4p-4_Graf.html
    and:
    Industry's Andrew Mathis & Roberto Muehlenkamp claim patch of dirt holds remains of 100,000 at Ponar, Lithuania
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11345

    Wally, ask the propaganda parrot and holocaust conspiracy theorist to offer some credible proof that things happened the way he imagines they did.

    Then sit back and watch what happens. Name calling by that troll is the least of it.

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  • @Simply Simon
    I believe the author is being very unfair concerning his rants about Churchill. It is on record that he went to great lengths to warn the free nations that the Germans were violating the League of Nation's Disarmament Treaty which when first enforced virtually disarmed that nation. The guilt lies with the League for not enforcing it. WWII was totally unnecessary and the resultant slaughter of innocents a terrible thing to behold. But once the war was engaged blood lust begat blood lust. The people of England were terrorized by bombs from the sky, V-1s (buzz bombs) and later the 2000 pound V-2 . I don't believe the author lived in England at the time, if he had he may have changed his mind about the retaliation showered against the Germans. As a pacifist, I believe every war including WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam , Iraq and Afghanistan could have been avoided had not warmongering been involved. It is always the innocents who pay the price while the guilty go free.

    The guilt lies with the League for not enforcing it.

    Wrong.

    The guilt lies with the moneybag scum that imposed the “treaty” on Germany, and even more so on the usurious scum that started WW1, and I’m not talking about Germans because Germany did not start either war, and besides, the “permanent world revolution “Reds were a much bigger threat to world peace than the Germans ever dreamed of being.

    Why, my fellow citizens, is there any man here or any woman, let me say is there any child here, who does not know that the seed of war in the modern world is industrial and commercial rivalry…and the reason why some nations went into the war against Germany was that they thought Germany would get the commercial advantage of them. The seed of the jealousy, the seed of the deep-seated hatred was hot, successful commercial and industrial rivalry…

    This war, in its inception was a commercial and industrial war. It was not a political war.

    -Woodrow Wilson, Address at the Coliseum in St. Louis, Missouri, September 5, 1919

    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=117365

    Always remember that the Reds, who openly brayed about conquering and controlling the world, were financed by New York and London moneybags.

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    The Germans were a Teutonic race, the humiliation they suffered after their defeat in WWI was just the incentive they needed to restore their manhood. The ink had hardly dried on the Disarmament Treaty when the leadership was devising all kinds of means mostly covert at first, but rapidly changed over the years to build a Wehrmacht that took the combined armies of Britain, France, Russia and the United States to defeat. Had Hitler not "bit off more than he could chew" the outcome would have been entirely different even to the extent that Germany may have been able to develop the atomic bomb before us. Germany my not have officially started WWII but Hitler was going to expand the Fatherland no matter who started it.
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  • @utu
    Rudolf is wrong and probably dishonest. 300ppm of HCN will kill a human in 1h.

    45 to 54 ppm can be tolerated for 0.5 to 1 hour without immediate or delayed effects while 110 to 135 ppm may be fatal after 0.5 to 1 hour or later, or dangerous to life [Flury and Zernik 1931]

    The median effective concentrations to produce incapacitation in rats have been determined to be 139 ppm and 115 ppm in 15 and 30 minutes, respectively [Hartzell et al. 1985]
     

    That’s for one isolated, theoretical person, NOT the impossibly alleged ‘2000 per batch, day & night’.

    Obviously you did not read the Rudolf Report.

    http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/index.html

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    That’s for one isolated, theoretical person, NOT the impossibly alleged ‘2000 per batch, day & night’.
     
    In this utterance you pose two separate issues. The first one that it is easier to kill one isolated person with 300 ppm of HCN than many is nonsense. More people in a chamber less HCN one needs to reach 300 ppm level. More people in the chamber causes depletion of oxygen that further facilities killing. Killing people in batches is cheaper (less HCN) and faster because of O2 depletion.

    Whether it was ‘2000 per batch, day & night’ or whether it was ‘1000 per batch, every other night or sometimes once a week’ is an argument about victim count and not about the method and its feasibility.

    No matter how many arguments are brought up form the CODOH bible mass gassing can't be disproven. Just like no matter how many quotes a Jehovah Witness brings up form the bible the existence of god can't be proven or disproven.
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  • @Simply Simon
    I believe the author is being very unfair concerning his rants about Churchill. It is on record that he went to great lengths to warn the free nations that the Germans were violating the League of Nation's Disarmament Treaty which when first enforced virtually disarmed that nation. The guilt lies with the League for not enforcing it. WWII was totally unnecessary and the resultant slaughter of innocents a terrible thing to behold. But once the war was engaged blood lust begat blood lust. The people of England were terrorized by bombs from the sky, V-1s (buzz bombs) and later the 2000 pound V-2 . I don't believe the author lived in England at the time, if he had he may have changed his mind about the retaliation showered against the Germans. As a pacifist, I believe every war including WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam , Iraq and Afghanistan could have been avoided had not warmongering been involved. It is always the innocents who pay the price while the guilty go free.

    I got news for you, the British were the first to target civilians, not even close.
    German later retaliation was minute in comparison to the Allied savagery, V2, V1s included.
    recommended:
    ‘Who started bombing civilians first:Germany or Great Britain’

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8172

    and:
    ‘”Hitler Broke The Versailles Treaty” bunkem’

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7937

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  • @EugeneGur

    One has to be careful with language. Extermination like the one allegedly occurring in Treblinka where people where killed right after their arrivals and the de facto extermination via harsh conditions and treatment like in Mauthausen are two different phenomena.
     
    You distinction is too fine for me. If you deprive a person of food, you kill him just as surely as if you gassed or shot him. I also do not doubt that every camp had its own regime of treatment; in fact, I know that to be true. I fail to understand how these detail change the big picture and I am not sure what you are trying to prove here.

    If we are allowed to call Mauthausen an extermination camp

     

    I was talking about official German designation as you are no doubt noticed. The documents show the German often suited actions to the words, i.e. acted in accordance with the designation with regard to certain categories of prisoners, and I am not talking exclusively about the Jews.

    Quite the opposite: an ossified mind that is incapable to reverse the indoctrination (of Soviet provenience most likely) it underwent
     
    If I am to engage in psychological mambo-jumbo you are all very fond of, I'd say the likes of you aren't as simpleminded as that Wally character here with his ridiculous Website, but still you aren't prepared to accept the reality of Germany's behavior. That's why you make valiant attempts to deny unpleasant facts based on technicalities ("Mauthausen was'd a death camp", "gassing didn't happen in the West but further East", "prisoners weren't killed right away but died from harsh conditions" and such), and, then this fails, resort to personal attacks, which are really uncalled for.

    said:
    “likes of you aren’t as simpleminded as that Wally character here with his ridiculous Website”
    So, do tell us what’s wrong with http://www.codoh.com
    And do tell me where I’m wrong about the ‘holocaust debunking posts I have added here.
    You have not, you cannot, you’re all Zionist bluff.
    Only Zionists think that ignoring war time international laws and Allied killing of civilians in labor camps is just fine. After all, Zionists still do it on a daily basis.
    recommended
    The Auschwitz “Gas Chamber” Illusion by Nicholas Kollerstrom

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9689

    and:
    What Happened to the Jews Who Were Deported to Auschwitz But Were Not Registered There?

    https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n4p-4_Graf.html

    and:
    Industry’s Andrew Mathis & Roberto Muehlenkamp claim patch of dirt holds remains of 100,000 at Ponar, Lithuania

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11345

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    Wally, ask the propaganda parrot and holocaust conspiracy theorist to offer some credible proof that things happened the way he imagines they did.

    Then sit back and watch what happens. Name calling by that troll is the least of it.
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  • I believe the author is being very unfair concerning his rants about Churchill. It is on record that he went to great lengths to warn the free nations that the Germans were violating the League of Nation’s Disarmament Treaty which when first enforced virtually disarmed that nation. The guilt lies with the League for not enforcing it. WWII was totally unnecessary and the resultant slaughter of innocents a terrible thing to behold. But once the war was engaged blood lust begat blood lust. The people of England were terrorized by bombs from the sky, V-1s (buzz bombs) and later the 2000 pound V-2 . I don’t believe the author lived in England at the time, if he had he may have changed his mind about the retaliation showered against the Germans. As a pacifist, I believe every war including WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam , Iraq and Afghanistan could have been avoided had not warmongering been involved. It is always the innocents who pay the price while the guilty go free.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    I got news for you, the British were the first to target civilians, not even close.
    German later retaliation was minute in comparison to the Allied savagery, V2, V1s included.
    recommended:
    'Who started bombing civilians first:Germany or Great Britain'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8172
    and:
    '"Hitler Broke The Versailles Treaty" bunkem'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7937
    , @jacques sheete

    The guilt lies with the League for not enforcing it.
     
    Wrong.

    The guilt lies with the moneybag scum that imposed the "treaty" on Germany, and even more so on the usurious scum that started WW1, and I'm not talking about Germans because Germany did not start either war, and besides, the "permanent world revolution "Reds were a much bigger threat to world peace than the Germans ever dreamed of being.


    Why, my fellow citizens, is there any man here or any woman, let me say is there any child here, who does not know that the seed of war in the modern world is industrial and commercial rivalry…and the reason why some nations went into the war against Germany was that they thought Germany would get the commercial advantage of them. The seed of the jealousy, the seed of the deep-seated hatred was hot, successful commercial and industrial rivalry…

    This war, in its inception was a commercial and industrial war. It was not a political war.

    -Woodrow Wilson, Address at the Coliseum in St. Louis, Missouri, September 5, 1919
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=117365
     

    Always remember that the Reds, who openly brayed about conquering and controlling the world, were financed by New York and London moneybags.
    , @jacques sheete

    I believe the author is being very unfair concerning his rants about Churchill.
     
    My impression of Churchill is that at a minimum he was a narcissistic nut job and play time hero wannabe. The guy was pathetic.

    Have you ever tried to read some of his utterly unctuous, self hagiography? I simply have no adequate words to describe that flip flopping, attention seeking, power hungry, preening pussy. If you can stand to read more than a few sentences, I'd like to know how it's done.

    You are correct that all the wars you mentioned were totally unnecessary and almost who were alive at the time knew it but their efforts simply could not prevent them. Smedley Butler was correct.


    In an effort to PREVENT the war that Churchill called “unnecessary,” (WW2,) this 2 time Medal of Honor recipient wrote...

    “… I spent most of my [33 years in the Marine Corps] being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers.

    In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for [crony] capitalism.”

    Major General Butler USMC, War is a Racket, 1935

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

     

    It's an ancient concept.

    Aristophanes’ Peace plot in a short summary…

    Trygaeus, an Athenian, ends the Peloponnesian War, peacefully thereby earning the favor of farmers while earning the enmity of various merchants who had profited from the hostilities.


     

    Aristophanes was an ancient Greek. ~ 400 BC, playwright.
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  • @utu

    One does not exclude the other.
     
    One has to be careful with language. Extermination like the one allegedly occurring in Treblinka where people where killed right after their arrivals and the de facto extermination via harsh conditions and treatment like in Mauthausen are two different phenomena. If we are allowed to call Mauthausen an extermination camp as you insist then we may also call many Gulag camps as extermination camps yet neither of them nor Mauthausen were like Treblinka. Also Mauthausen was not like Auschwitz in which extermination seem to took place on similar scale and in similar manner like in Treblinka. Jews were not sent en masse to Mauthausen to be killed there right away. Prisoners of Mauthausen were brought there to work even if their ultimate fate was to die. It was the most profitable German labour camp. Prisoners were not forced to do pointless jobs like in 19 century British penal system. When prisoners arrived they were deloused and various measures were taken to prevent epidemics and premature death of the prisoners and they had infirmary were some prisoners were treated and some actually got cured.

    doesn't mean everybody was murdered but many were - statements like these are empty and thus always true and false at the same time. How do you define murder in KL conditions? Give me the number of executions by whatever means like shooting, beating to death or gassing? And then what was the average stay in the camp of a person who was executed? And how this number compares to the average lifespan in camp?

    I am way past the school age. - I have never suggested that you were young and immature with open and plastic mind. Quite the opposite: an ossified mind that is incapable to reverse the indoctrination (of Soviet provenience most likely) it underwent.

    One has to be careful with language. Extermination like the one allegedly occurring in Treblinka where people where killed right after their arrivals and the de facto extermination via harsh conditions and treatment like in Mauthausen are two different phenomena.

    You distinction is too fine for me. If you deprive a person of food, you kill him just as surely as if you gassed or shot him. I also do not doubt that every camp had its own regime of treatment; in fact, I know that to be true. I fail to understand how these detail change the big picture and I am not sure what you are trying to prove here.

    If we are allowed to call Mauthausen an extermination camp

    I was talking about official German designation as you are no doubt noticed. The documents show the German often suited actions to the words, i.e. acted in accordance with the designation with regard to certain categories of prisoners, and I am not talking exclusively about the Jews.

    Quite the opposite: an ossified mind that is incapable to reverse the indoctrination (of Soviet provenience most likely) it underwent

    If I am to engage in psychological mambo-jumbo you are all very fond of, I’d say the likes of you aren’t as simpleminded as that Wally character here with his ridiculous Website, but still you aren’t prepared to accept the reality of Germany’s behavior. That’s why you make valiant attempts to deny unpleasant facts based on technicalities (“Mauthausen was’d a death camp”, “gassing didn’t happen in the West but further East”, “prisoners weren’t killed right away but died from harsh conditions” and such), and, then this fails, resort to personal attacks, which are really uncalled for.

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    said:
    "likes of you aren’t as simpleminded as that Wally character here with his ridiculous Website"
    So, do tell us what's wrong with www.codoh.com
    And do tell me where I'm wrong about the 'holocaust debunking posts I have added here.
    You have not, you cannot, you're all Zionist bluff.
    Only Zionists think that ignoring war time international laws and Allied killing of civilians in labor camps is just fine. After all, Zionists still do it on a daily basis.
    recommended
    The Auschwitz "Gas Chamber" Illusion by Nicholas Kollerstrom
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9689
    and:
    What Happened to the Jews Who Were Deported to Auschwitz But Were Not Registered There?
    https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n4p-4_Graf.html
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    Industry's Andrew Mathis & Roberto Muehlenkamp claim patch of dirt holds remains of 100,000 at Ponar, Lithuania
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11345
    , @utu

    You distinction is too fine for me.
     
    I suspected that. Soviet propaganda was not known for nuance You are its product. Perhaps you should check in a legal dictionary what is a distinction between voluntary and involuntary manslaughter and murder.

    The reason you care about Mauthausen is because quite a few Red Army soldiers died there, including some family member of yours, right? Mauthausen featured in Soviet propaganda a lot. In Soviet propaganda Jewish victims and Jewish Holocaust was sidelined. The emphasis was placed on the multitude of nationalities as victims of fascism but their largest common denominator which was being Jewish was not emphasized and often was being hidden. The communist did not want to be seen as saviors of Jews or their tools. The word "Jew" itself was a taboo. Several Soviet films about the WWII were not released by censorship because the Jewish story was too prominent in them. In Soviet films like Судьба человека prisoners are forced to do a pointless work under the supervision of sadistic SS guards in process of which they are supposed to die. This was not the norm in most of the camps. It is possible that images like these were more likely to be found in Soviet Gulag camps. For Germans productivity mattered. Mauthausen supposedly was the most productive camp complex. That's why they fed their prisoners, they protected them from epidemics, they had even hospitals where some prisoners underwent successful (not some experimental by dr. Mengele or dr. Wirth) surgeries that saved their lives, they permitted them to receive packages from outside and on some occasions they punished guards who were too brutal. In Auschwitz the treatment of prisoners was much worse in the very beginning of camp existence. At some point after some intervention in Berlin some cruel treatment and beatings stopped.

    After 1967 when Holocaust name was coined and the narrative was being rewritten by American Jews a shift in the opposite direction occurred. The presence of non-Jewish victims like Red Army soldiers was being deemphasized. As the result most people in the US will be surprised to hearing anon Jew was in Auschwitz. I am afraid the sam goes for Israel where young kids are indoctrinated with only one part of the story. Both narratives, the Soviet one and the Jewish one are unbalanced. From the Jewish narrative I accept the distinction that the term "extermination camp" refers to places where predominantly Jews were being brought to be annihilate directly w/o intention of using them as laborers. Treblinka fits this the best and Auschwitz only partially and Mauthausen not at all. The other camps where prisoners were utilized as laborers should be called labor camps. The high death toll in them was chiefly the result of diseases like typhoid fever amplified by malnutrition and overwork.

    The crematoria were built in labor camps (including Auschwitz) not in anticipation of doing mass gassings but as an effort to deal with the huge death toll due to epidemics. Camp authorities, as far as I know from former prisoners literature were doing everything to prevent epidemics and contain them. At some point mass gassings of Jews began and the crematoria were used but they were insufficient that's why bodies were cremated outside in large pyres.
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  • @Wally
    What is "hollow about asking to see the remains of an alleged 6M Jews' & 5M others'?
    Imaging trying to push this impossible 11,000,000 murders in a legit court of law.

    The "Holocau$t Industry" in court:

    'Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, ... but, but, well, umm, we can't show the court the human remains. You must simply trust us, we're Zionists.'
     

    said:
    "Chemistry: the required concentration of Zyklon B to kill a human being is several orders of magnitude lower than what is used for killing lice." A laughable lie.
    Germar Rudolf, Max Planck master chemist:
    "the minimum amount of Zyklon B to be introduced in these rooms would have been in the order of magnitude of ten times the amount normally used for delousing procedures"
    The false argument, "it takes more cyanide to kill insects than it does humans, hence low HCN residue in the alleged gas chambers" is further refuted by Germar Rudolf & others here:
    'Green, Mathis refuted / cyanide: lice, humans, & more'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=267
    said:
    "Remains: (1) there was no serious search for them and (2) ashes to ashes…" Another lie: There have been several attempts which showed us nothing, recall: Sturdy-Colls, Haimi, & Kola - much more at www.codoh.com
    Cremation as alleged would yield countless thousands of tons of human ash and the alleged enormous pits that they are supposedly still buried in (like the alleged 900,000 of Treblinka) could easily be found, in fact Jews say they can point to them. Also note that many allegedly known huge mass graves are not claimed to have been cremated at all.

    Rudolf is wrong and probably dishonest. 300ppm of HCN will kill a human in 1h.

    45 to 54 ppm can be tolerated for 0.5 to 1 hour without immediate or delayed effects while 110 to 135 ppm may be fatal after 0.5 to 1 hour or later, or dangerous to life [Flury and Zernik 1931]

    The median effective concentrations to produce incapacitation in rats have been determined to be 139 ppm and 115 ppm in 15 and 30 minutes, respectively [Hartzell et al. 1985]

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    That's for one isolated, theoretical person, NOT the impossibly alleged '2000 per batch, day & night'.

    Obviously you did not read the Rudolf Report.
    http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/index.html
    , @L.K
    Let me fix that for you, troll.

    'Utu' is wrong and certainly 100% dishonest.
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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    This TVA example is not relevant. There simply is no evidence that what is claimed to have taken place at the AR camps actually happened.

    No, it is relevant. Because it addresses the claim that “There simply is no evidence…” You are engaging in circular reasoning.

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  • There simply is no evidence that what is claimed to have taken place at the AR camps actually happened.

    Not a shred of credible evidence at all. I have taken notice that the EG has refused to answer me after I directed him to provide credible evidence for his claims. After that, crickets.

    Another joker bites the dust, er, ashes.

    Once I learned that nothing that type sez is to be taken seriously, this stuff became almost fun.

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  • @utu
    65,000 x 10 x 3kg=1950 tons of ash

    The Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) dumped up to 1,000 tons of coal ash every day into a wet pond near the plant, slowly amassing a waste-cake 60 feet high.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coal-ash-130-million-tons-of-waste-01-10-2009/

    I think you can fit 1950 tons of ash in one (or two) olympic swimming pool. Or go to Tennessee if you have problem visualizing it.

    This TVA example is not relevant. There simply is no evidence that what is claimed to have taken place at the AR camps actually happened.

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    No, it is relevant. Because it addresses the claim that "There simply is no evidence..." You are engaging in circular reasoning.
    , @L.K
    Not only the massive amounts of human remains disappeared but the many gigantic mass graves in small camps as well!!

    What a pity... CSI teams around the world are missing out by not hiring this "genius" utu.

    Anybody who does not feel like reading several books but wants to get a feel for how totally idiotic the official holohoax narrative is, re the AR camps, should at least watch the following excellent underground documentary. Burial pits and body disposal starts at around 1:31:00 I think;
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Locuhe6ECU
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  • @Andrew E. Mathis
    Well, I'm done here, I guess. I have attempted to respond to this post in kind three times, and each time, the moderators here have refused to post it. "Wally" here has been twice censured in the past for his posting style, but here he is again, baiting other posters, even those, like myself, who specifically have sought to avoid interacting with him at all.

    If any of you Holocaust deniers are ever wondering why nobody will debate you or take you even remotely seriously, this kind of behavior is why. Wally is emblematic of a problem with Holocaust denial -- it's an enterprise run by Jew haters whose sole purpose is to get back at the schoolyard bullies who tortured them as children.

    Talk about projection.

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  • @utu
    He is right. There was deliberate gassing in Auschwitz.

    He is right. There was deliberate gassing in Auschwitz.

    I wouldn’t doubt that the commies did any gassing after they invaded the place.

    That lying bunch of scum is well known for saying anything and everything( even mutually contradictory things) against everyone else.

    Any gas undoubtedly came from their patulous and copius cloacas.

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  • @L.K
    Hey Jacques,

    'utu' is merely a lying little troll.

    This POS, who is on record at Unz stating that lying is ok if it advances one's goals, then goes on to attack others for their alleged lack of integrity!!!

    Total scumbag.

    Hey Jacques,

    ‘utu’ is merely a lying little troll.

    Apparently on this subject that’s all too true. It pains me because (s)he’s put me onto some good info in the past.

    There is a lot of sophistry going on from that source, and it is sad to behold.

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  • @EugeneGur

    You want to keep the narrative as you have learned in a Soviet school
     
    I am way past the school age. And your psychological exercises as to what I do or do not want are besides the point. Usually, ad hominem arguments are used when none other come to mind.

    Mauthausen was not an extermination camp. It started as a regular prison and it was transformed into the largest forced labor enterprise in the III Reich
     
    One does not exclude the other. Besides, the camp evolved from its beginning in 1938 till its end in 1945. As I did say above, it was the major distribution center for forced labor, and indeed it was, particularly later when Germany got short of workers due to the losses at the front and could no longer afford to do indiscriminate killing of potential slaves.

    Designation as category II (Stufe III), the only camp of that category, doesn't mean everybody was murdered but many were. Many prisoners arrived to the camp with designation RU (return undesirable/Rückkehr unerwünscht). Ever heard of K-prisoners? Many more were simply let die without the need for any special effort.

    I understand these complexities are hard for your simple-minded approach to fathom, but do try.

    I am way past the school age.

    Biologically, almost certainly. Mentally, hardly.

    Usually, ad hominem arguments are used when none other come to mind.

    No doubt that’s why you initiated such on your entrance to this thread. It also accounts for the fact that nothing you’ve said was subsequently taken seriously by me. Your comments, in fact, are only good for mocking.

    You know nothing.

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  • @utu
    You might be right but you will never know it. Your beliefs are empirically not testable. Basically you have created or more likely spiraled into a Weltanschauung where things are true or not based on your beliefs only. I am afraid you do not belong to the Latin (Western) civilization anymore:

    [Feliks] Koneczny claimed that in the Latin [Western] civilization, ethics is the source of law. If some laws are not ethical, then they are changed. Government is judged on the basis of its adherence to ethics. The law is of dual nature, divided into public and private spheres. Religion is autonomous, independent and separated from the state. Individuality, self-rule and decentralization are highly valued. Knowledge is empirical.
     
    Paradoxically you might be closer to:

    The Jewish civilization considers the law most important. The law is the source of ethics. The law cannot be changed. However, the same law can be differently interpreted, which leads to ethical relativism. Similarly to the Brahmin or Hindu civilization, it is sacral, with religion playing a central role. According to Koneczny, one of the elements of Jewish civilization is a belief in the superior role of one nation or race. Communist states, despite their atheism, are also products of Jewish civilization
     

    The Jewish civilization considers the law most important.

    The statement as it stands is BS; without defining the term, “law,” it’s worse than useless; it’s dangerous.

    As for the Jewish civilization, I see little evidence that they’ve ever been civilized in any sense of the term, and most certainly the JINOs have never been civilized. And they’re famous for continuously breaking laws and “covenants” anyway, so who cars what they claim?

    What is a “jew” anyway?

    PS: They reportedly claim to be special and “chosen” and whatnot, but I see little to no evidence for that, but plenty of evidence to the contrary. That’s especially true for the fake Jews, i.e., the Ashkenazim and other non-Semitic atheist pretenders and frauds.

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  • @utu
    You might be right but you will never know it. Your beliefs are empirically not testable. Basically you have created or more likely spiraled into a Weltanschauung where things are true or not based on your beliefs only. I am afraid you do not belong to the Latin (Western) civilization anymore:

    [Feliks] Koneczny claimed that in the Latin [Western] civilization, ethics is the source of law. If some laws are not ethical, then they are changed. Government is judged on the basis of its adherence to ethics. The law is of dual nature, divided into public and private spheres. Religion is autonomous, independent and separated from the state. Individuality, self-rule and decentralization are highly valued. Knowledge is empirical.
     
    Paradoxically you might be closer to:

    The Jewish civilization considers the law most important. The law is the source of ethics. The law cannot be changed. However, the same law can be differently interpreted, which leads to ethical relativism. Similarly to the Brahmin or Hindu civilization, it is sacral, with religion playing a central role. According to Koneczny, one of the elements of Jewish civilization is a belief in the superior role of one nation or race. Communist states, despite their atheism, are also products of Jewish civilization
     

    You might be right but you will never know it. Your beliefs are empirically not testable.

    I’m probably right, and I’m comfortable with that. My question is why you feel compelled to comment about it.

    Being the great epistemologist that I “know” myself to be, I suspect that we humans and humanoids don’t and can’t know much at all, and even if we did know something most of us wouldn’t know what to do with the knowledge.My bet is that we would almost invariably use it to screw things up even more.

    It’s all kool, ain’t it?

    PS: I’m praying for another deluge.

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  • @L.K
    No, there was not.

    Since Holocaust bigwigs and Auschwitz "experts", like Pressac and Van Pelt, could not and cannot prove any homicidal gassings at Auschwitz, you, an anonymous lying troll on a net forum, obviously cannot either.

    Other anti-revisionist historians have also admitted the lack of evidence for the gas chamber propaganda;

    Prof. Faurisson:– In 1996 the leftwing French historian Jacques Baynac, a staunch anti-revisionist since 1978, ended up admitting, after due consideration, that there was no evidence of the Nazi gas chambers’ existence. One could not fail to note, wrote Baynac, “the absence of documents, traces or other material evidence” (Le Nouveau Quotidien de Lausanne [Switzerland], September 2, 1996, p. 16, and September 3, 1996, p. 14).
     
    There is real reason for the ferocious censorship around the official holocaust story, it's a house of cards.

    I said it before that you and Wally, let me use your phrase here, two “anonymous lying trolls on a net forum” are using Jehovah Witness argumentation method by dipping into the CODOH bible. The difference between you two is that Wally gives the links to CODOH. Neither of you seem to be capable to judge for themselves the meaning, weight and validity of prepackaged and predigested arguments you find there. The CODOH motto seems to be “By morons for morons.”

    Actually, I must take back the lying part because lying implies cognitive ability to tell the difference between what is true and what is not true. Clearly you are lacking this ability.

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  • @L.K
    Yes, you are dodging... trolling... and lying.

    Your post is pure sophistry.

    BTW, there were several attempts at the AR camps to locate the gigantic mass graves, human remains and gas chambers, all failed. You are just lying through your teeth, as usual...

    The following is a 65.000 crowd at a London concert. At Treblinka, a small camp, depending on holohoax author, there should be graves that contained the remains of between 10 to 14 times that number. Feel free to pick up a shovel and try to locate them... the holohoaxters and the communists have failed to do so for over 70 years. Same for the other camps.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZnBNuqqz5g

    65,000 x 10 x 3kg=1950 tons of ash

    The Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) dumped up to 1,000 tons of coal ash every day into a wet pond near the plant, slowly amassing a waste-cake 60 feet high.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coal-ash-130-million-tons-of-waste-01-10-2009/

    I think you can fit 1950 tons of ash in one (or two) olympic swimming pool. Or go to Tennessee if you have problem visualizing it.

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    This TVA example is not relevant. There simply is no evidence that what is claimed to have taken place at the AR camps actually happened.
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  • @utu

    Dresden was about, i.e., extermination of Christians
     
    It can't be proven that it was about Christianity. Some Catholics believe that the reason Nagasaki was bombed because it was the largest center of Catholicism in Japan. This belief can't be supported by any evidence either.

    There is no question that annihilating a city full of civilians is as un-Christian as it can get.

    There is no question that annihilating a city full of civilians is as un-Christian as it can get.

    Caedite eos

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  • @EugeneGur

    You want to keep the narrative as you have learned in a Soviet school
     
    I am way past the school age. And your psychological exercises as to what I do or do not want are besides the point. Usually, ad hominem arguments are used when none other come to mind.

    Mauthausen was not an extermination camp. It started as a regular prison and it was transformed into the largest forced labor enterprise in the III Reich
     
    One does not exclude the other. Besides, the camp evolved from its beginning in 1938 till its end in 1945. As I did say above, it was the major distribution center for forced labor, and indeed it was, particularly later when Germany got short of workers due to the losses at the front and could no longer afford to do indiscriminate killing of potential slaves.

    Designation as category II (Stufe III), the only camp of that category, doesn't mean everybody was murdered but many were. Many prisoners arrived to the camp with designation RU (return undesirable/Rückkehr unerwünscht). Ever heard of K-prisoners? Many more were simply let die without the need for any special effort.

    I understand these complexities are hard for your simple-minded approach to fathom, but do try.

    One does not exclude the other.

    One has to be careful with language. Extermination like the one allegedly occurring in Treblinka where people where killed right after their arrivals and the de facto extermination via harsh conditions and treatment like in Mauthausen are two different phenomena. If we are allowed to call Mauthausen an extermination camp as you insist then we may also call many Gulag camps as extermination camps yet neither of them nor Mauthausen were like Treblinka. Also Mauthausen was not like Auschwitz in which extermination seem to took place on similar scale and in similar manner like in Treblinka. Jews were not sent en masse to Mauthausen to be killed there right away. Prisoners of Mauthausen were brought there to work even if their ultimate fate was to die. It was the most profitable German labour camp. Prisoners were not forced to do pointless jobs like in 19 century British penal system. When prisoners arrived they were deloused and various measures were taken to prevent epidemics and premature death of the prisoners and they had infirmary were some prisoners were treated and some actually got cured.

    doesn’t mean everybody was murdered but many were – statements like these are empty and thus always true and false at the same time. How do you define murder in KL conditions? Give me the number of executions by whatever means like shooting, beating to death or gassing? And then what was the average stay in the camp of a person who was executed? And how this number compares to the average lifespan in camp?

    I am way past the school age. – I have never suggested that you were young and immature with open and plastic mind. Quite the opposite: an ossified mind that is incapable to reverse the indoctrination (of Soviet provenience most likely) it underwent.

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    One has to be careful with language. Extermination like the one allegedly occurring in Treblinka where people where killed right after their arrivals and the de facto extermination via harsh conditions and treatment like in Mauthausen are two different phenomena.
     
    You distinction is too fine for me. If you deprive a person of food, you kill him just as surely as if you gassed or shot him. I also do not doubt that every camp had its own regime of treatment; in fact, I know that to be true. I fail to understand how these detail change the big picture and I am not sure what you are trying to prove here.

    If we are allowed to call Mauthausen an extermination camp

     

    I was talking about official German designation as you are no doubt noticed. The documents show the German often suited actions to the words, i.e. acted in accordance with the designation with regard to certain categories of prisoners, and I am not talking exclusively about the Jews.

    Quite the opposite: an ossified mind that is incapable to reverse the indoctrination (of Soviet provenience most likely) it underwent
     
    If I am to engage in psychological mambo-jumbo you are all very fond of, I'd say the likes of you aren't as simpleminded as that Wally character here with his ridiculous Website, but still you aren't prepared to accept the reality of Germany's behavior. That's why you make valiant attempts to deny unpleasant facts based on technicalities ("Mauthausen was'd a death camp", "gassing didn't happen in the West but further East", "prisoners weren't killed right away but died from harsh conditions" and such), and, then this fails, resort to personal attacks, which are really uncalled for.
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  • @utu
    I am not dodging. I am ignoring.

    Chemistry: the required concentration of Zyklon B to kill a human being is several orders of magnitude lower than what is used for killing lice.

    Remains: (1) there was no serious search for them and (2) ashes to ashes...

    It is amusing that you seem to take these arguments compiled by Codoh that seriously, that you do not see how hollow they often are. You remind me of a Jehovah Witness. They also bring up arguments very sincerely w/o a deeper understanding of what they are talking about.

    Or perhaps you do not take it seriously because you are paid according to how many links to Codoh you manage to post in one day before being chased away. Are you operating from India?

    What is “hollow about asking to see the remains of an alleged 6M Jews’ & 5M others’?
    Imaging trying to push this impossible 11,000,000 murders in a legit court of law.

    The “Holocau$t Industry” in court:

    ‘Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, … but, but, well, umm, we can’t show the court the human remains. You must simply trust us, we’re Zionists.’

    said:
    “Chemistry: the required concentration of Zyklon B to kill a human being is several orders of magnitude lower than what is used for killing lice.” A laughable lie.
    Germar Rudolf, Max Planck master chemist:
    “the minimum amount of Zyklon B to be introduced in these rooms would have been in the order of magnitude of ten times the amount normally used for delousing procedures”
    The false argument, “it takes more cyanide to kill insects than it does humans, hence low HCN residue in the alleged gas chambers” is further refuted by Germar Rudolf & others here:
    Green, Mathis refuted / cyanide: lice, humans, & more

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=267

    said:
    “Remains: (1) there was no serious search for them and (2) ashes to ashes…” Another lie: There have been several attempts which showed us nothing, recall: Sturdy-Colls, Haimi, & Kola – much more at http://www.codoh.com
    Cremation as alleged would yield countless thousands of tons of human ash and the alleged enormous pits that they are supposedly still buried in (like the alleged 900,000 of Treblinka) could easily be found, in fact Jews say they can point to them. Also note that many allegedly known huge mass graves are not claimed to have been cremated at all.

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    Rudolf is wrong and probably dishonest. 300ppm of HCN will kill a human in 1h.

    45 to 54 ppm can be tolerated for 0.5 to 1 hour without immediate or delayed effects while 110 to 135 ppm may be fatal after 0.5 to 1 hour or later, or dangerous to life [Flury and Zernik 1931]

    The median effective concentrations to produce incapacitation in rats have been determined to be 139 ppm and 115 ppm in 15 and 30 minutes, respectively [Hartzell et al. 1985]
     
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  • @utu
    He is right. There was deliberate gassing in Auschwitz.

    No, there was not.

    Since Holocaust bigwigs and Auschwitz “experts”, like Pressac and Van Pelt, could not and cannot prove any homicidal gassings at Auschwitz, you, an anonymous lying troll on a net forum, obviously cannot either.

    Other anti-revisionist historians have also admitted the lack of evidence for the gas chamber propaganda;

    Prof. Faurisson:– In 1996 the leftwing French historian Jacques Baynac, a staunch anti-revisionist since 1978, ended up admitting, after due consideration, that there was no evidence of the Nazi gas chambers’ existence. One could not fail to note, wrote Baynac, “the absence of documents, traces or other material evidence” (Le Nouveau Quotidien de Lausanne [Switzerland], September 2, 1996, p. 16, and September 3, 1996, p. 14).

    There is real reason for the ferocious censorship around the official holocaust story, it’s a house of cards.

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    I said it before that you and Wally, let me use your phrase here, two "anonymous lying trolls on a net forum" are using Jehovah Witness argumentation method by dipping into the CODOH bible. The difference between you two is that Wally gives the links to CODOH. Neither of you seem to be capable to judge for themselves the meaning, weight and validity of prepackaged and predigested arguments you find there. The CODOH motto seems to be "By morons for morons."

    Actually, I must take back the lying part because lying implies cognitive ability to tell the difference between what is true and what is not true. Clearly you are lacking this ability.
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  • @utu
    I am not dodging. I am ignoring.

    Chemistry: the required concentration of Zyklon B to kill a human being is several orders of magnitude lower than what is used for killing lice.

    Remains: (1) there was no serious search for them and (2) ashes to ashes...

    It is amusing that you seem to take these arguments compiled by Codoh that seriously, that you do not see how hollow they often are. You remind me of a Jehovah Witness. They also bring up arguments very sincerely w/o a deeper understanding of what they are talking about.

    Or perhaps you do not take it seriously because you are paid according to how many links to Codoh you manage to post in one day before being chased away. Are you operating from India?

    Yes, you are dodging… trolling… and lying.

    Your post is pure sophistry.

    BTW, there were several attempts at the AR camps to locate the gigantic mass graves, human remains and gas chambers, all failed. You are just lying through your teeth, as usual…

    The following is a 65.000 crowd at a London concert. At Treblinka, a small camp, depending on holohoax author, there should be graves that contained the remains of between 10 to 14 times that number. Feel free to pick up a shovel and try to locate them… the holohoaxters and the communists have failed to do so for over 70 years. Same for the other camps.

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    65,000 x 10 x 3kg=1950 tons of ash

    The Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) dumped up to 1,000 tons of coal ash every day into a wet pond near the plant, slowly amassing a waste-cake 60 feet high.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coal-ash-130-million-tons-of-waste-01-10-2009/

    I think you can fit 1950 tons of ash in one (or two) olympic swimming pool. Or go to Tennessee if you have problem visualizing it.
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