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    An Israeli and eventually international Jewish mass hysteria erupted as of the last week of January 2018 over a Polish law that makes it a punishable offence to defame the Polish nation by speaking of “Polish concentration camps” or blaming the Polish people otherwise for the Jewish Holocaust. The hysteria started right at the top...
  • @German_reader

    And we know, presumably, that this term has been used in German national and provincial media
     
    How do you know that? Are there studies documenting this is a widespread term in German media? Because I can't recall ever having read it, certainly not in the sense that it was claimed the extermination camps were somehow under Polish control. If the term is used at all, in most cases it will be due to thoughtlessness, not deliberate obfuscation, and merely in a geographical sense.
    Granted, the Our mothers, our fathers tv series was pretty questionable in some parts and Polish protests were justifed. But there is no organized German campaign to shift responsibility for the Holocaust onto Poland. This exists only in the imagination of Polish right-wingers.

    Germany has not paid reparations even for that, though between 1952 and 2017 it paid so many billions in Deutsche marks and euros in so many reparations agreements with the State of Israel and Jewish Holocaust survivors,

     

    Yes, but Israel didn't get one quarter of pre-war German territory, plus the satisfaction of taking revenge by ethnically cleansing a few million Germans. Bit one-sided to leave this "detail" unmentioned.

    To German reader: You ‘forgot’ to mention that Poland as a result of II WW lost 1/3 of its east territory taken by Stalin and USSR. Stalin removed from these part of former Poland 3 millins Poles. And one small point – the idea to move polish borders to west is the decision of Jalta agreement where Poles did not have the voice.

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  • Pal I used to live a couple miles away from the border there for three years while in art school, spend 3 summer vacations on hiking trails, speak fluent Polish with their accent, so save your breath.

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  • @snag
    Concentrate and try to stay on the subject - In regard to Polish–Czechoslovak border conflicts it wouldn't hurt to refuel your tank with a 'knowledge' up there with facts instead rehashing this crap whenever and wherever you can ,...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_border_conflicts

    In Polish
    https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polsko-czechos%C5%82owackie_konflikty_graniczne

    Wikipedia your source for accuracy? LOL. You need to go get an education.

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  • @utu
    I saw recently in Daily Mail new videos were released from Pulse in Orlando

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5536913/New-videos-Pulse-nightclub-gunman-prepping-attack.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5512883/New-video-footage-reveals-Pulse-nightclub-shooter-open-fire.html

    and new videos from Las Vegas

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5533067/Mandalay-Bay-security-cameras-Stephen-Paddock-arsenal-suitcases.html

    and haven't heard much reaction by leading falseflaggot researchers. Does this new evidence reinforces their conclusions they formulated about 25 seconds after hearing about the event or do they have go back on some claims they made? Or perhaps the new videos are all CGI?

    Hey, I forgot to mention that they finally released a video of a woman getting sexually assaulted in Cologne. Check this out!

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  • I had a quick look through those links and I can’t figure out what you think is convincing about any of this. In the first link, there is footage of him walking through a shopping mall. At some point, he is looking at a rack with firearms in there, then they show him buying something, swiping his credit card, and it is labeled that he is buying a gun, in fact, the very gun that he used to kill all those people, but it is not clear in the video what he is even buying. What they are showing there is so many degrees away from proving that he did anything, it’s ridiculous.

    As for the rest of it, my own belief is that they are showing video from some sort of drill and trying to pass it off as real footage. It’s incredibly grainy. You can’t see much on it.

    But anyway, maybe you could point to the points in the video that you find really convincing.

    Also, could you answer a quick question…

    Do you really believe that there is this political movement in the Middle East that wants to kill some random homos in a fag bar in Florida?

    You believe that? If you do believe it, could you tell me WHY they think this will further their political goals. I can’t honestly make any sense of the whole thing, so maybe you could help me understand this phenomenon.

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    When you stop thinking about elephants in San Francisco
     
    Utu, I have interacted with you enough to know that you are sufficiently intelligent to understand that the parable of the elephants in San Francisco is not actually about elephants or about San Francisco.

    With my last comment being in reconciliatory mood
     
    If you were really in a "reconciliatory mood", you would desist from this tactic of yours, of using willful obtuseness to try to wriggle out, when you are being cornered in a debate.

    It is infuriating and no way of getting reconciled with anybody (at least with me) but aside from that, it reflects some underlying malaise. I have felt it to be profoundly disrespectful. Originally, I perceived it as being disrespectful to me, but finally, I think it is more disrespectful of yourself.

    This resort to sophomoric tactics like this is the behavior of man who lacks self-respect. You don't feel compelled to behave in a respectable manner because you don't respect yourself.

    The author of this article suffers from much the same problem, I think.

    I saw recently in Daily Mail new videos were released from Pulse in Orlando

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5536913/New-videos-Pulse-nightclub-gunman-prepping-attack.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5512883/New-video-footage-reveals-Pulse-nightclub-shooter-open-fire.html

    and new videos from Las Vegas

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5533067/Mandalay-Bay-security-cameras-Stephen-Paddock-arsenal-suitcases.html

    and haven’t heard much reaction by leading falseflaggot researchers. Does this new evidence reinforces their conclusions they formulated about 25 seconds after hearing about the event or do they have go back on some claims they made? Or perhaps the new videos are all CGI?

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    Hey, I forgot to mention that they finally released a video of a woman getting sexually assaulted in Cologne. Check this out!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7FlF4YBDvE
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  • @mark green
    Great article. Jewish political theater is getting laughably out of control. The hasbarists actually believe their own Fake News.

    Jewish narcissism, Jewish conceit, and Jewish ethnocentrism are without peer, not to mention Jewish hypocrisy. It's time to turn this kosher narrative on its head.

    Massive Jewish criminality in the form of organized, communist subversion and communist mass murder must be addressed also. Never forget real history. All of it.

    Ironically, international Jewish extremism gave cause and sustenance to the rise of Nazism.

    Nazism represented just one lethal political force among many. As usual, the Jews were in the middle of another hellstorm. Moreover, Hitler and Nazi Germany paid for their sins. But not the commies and Zions. They got away with murder. Yet they insist upon playing 'victim'. Still. What a crock. This fabrication is today's Biggest Lie.

    How many ex-commies received aid and comfort after WWII as citizens of the 'Jewish State'?--or in the US? Plenty. Yet they're always innocent, always blameless. These falsehoods must be addressed. Malcontents should not be celebrated. Mass murderers should not walk among us. And these same deceivers should not be allowed to pass moral (and judicial) judgement.

    The entire Zionist enterprise is soaked in blood. Zionists should pay reparations and restitution to their many victims. It's time we addressed it. Loudly.

    The Holocaust yarn must also be put into perspective. Not only are the Jewish causality figures surely exaggerated, but the ongoing elevation of Jewish suffering trivializes the pain and horror that far greater numbers of non-Jews have had to endure over the past century or more.

    Finally, Israeli war crimes, international Zionist meddling and political interference must be confronted and repudiated. It's time we pushed back. These criminals deserve to be recognized for what they are.

    A prime example of jewish zionist control of the mass media is the fact that on the 50th anniversary of the deliberate Israeli attack on the USS Liberty (GTR-5) on June 8, 1967, there was NOT ONE MENTION of the 50th anniversary of this event on any news media outlets. Normally, the 50th anniversary of just about any event gets mentioned, but not the USS Liberty (GTR-5).
    This is PROOF that the media is controlled by “you know who”…

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  • @utu
    With my last comment being in reconciliatory mood I was trying to shift your attention to a bit broader sense of perception of reality. I was hoping that you may snap out from your intense obsessions. But I see something more radical is needed. ECT perhaps?

    When you stop thinking about elephants in San Francisco and stop believing that you have no other choice than being an automaton you may try me again.

    When you stop thinking about elephants in San Francisco

    Utu, I have interacted with you enough to know that you are sufficiently intelligent to understand that the parable of the elephants in San Francisco is not actually about elephants or about San Francisco.

    With my last comment being in reconciliatory mood

    If you were really in a “reconciliatory mood”, you would desist from this tactic of yours, of using willful obtuseness to try to wriggle out, when you are being cornered in a debate.

    It is infuriating and no way of getting reconciled with anybody (at least with me) but aside from that, it reflects some underlying malaise. I have felt it to be profoundly disrespectful. Originally, I perceived it as being disrespectful to me, but finally, I think it is more disrespectful of yourself.

    This resort to sophomoric tactics like this is the behavior of man who lacks self-respect. You don’t feel compelled to behave in a respectable manner because you don’t respect yourself.

    The author of this article suffers from much the same problem, I think.

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    I saw recently in Daily Mail new videos were released from Pulse in Orlando

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5536913/New-videos-Pulse-nightclub-gunman-prepping-attack.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5512883/New-video-footage-reveals-Pulse-nightclub-shooter-open-fire.html

    and new videos from Las Vegas

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5533067/Mandalay-Bay-security-cameras-Stephen-Paddock-arsenal-suitcases.html

    and haven't heard much reaction by leading falseflaggot researchers. Does this new evidence reinforces their conclusions they formulated about 25 seconds after hearing about the event or do they have go back on some claims they made? Or perhaps the new videos are all CGI?
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  • @Proud Israeli Jew
    Snag: You are obviously confused about the dates, history, geograpahy of the WW2. That is another feature of schizophrenia. It is not worth bothering you with history because you don't understnnd it.

    Tired of this ‘poor me’ mantra – Here’s your real face and mind set … Enlarge it 2oo% and read.
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  • @Proud Israeli Jew
    Snag: You are obviously confused about the dates, history, geograpahy of the WW2. That is another feature of schizophrenia. It is not worth bothering you with history because you don't understnnd it.

    Save your breath and spare me name calling just tell me where I’m confused or incorrect ,…

    At 454 I explained to you what was the reason for this so called Kielce ‘pogrom’ and ask you to name other ‘pogroms’ that you conveniently haven’t noticed and keep tossing ‘poor jews’ crap against the wall hoping that something is going to stick to it.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

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  • @snag
    In regard of your mom - In October 1938 Nazis expelled and dumped on Polish border around 17.000 Jews, some that used to live in Germany for decades a few with expired Russian passports issued before WWI by Tsar administration in partitioned Poland and most of them undocumented - Non of them spoke Polish. Why blame Poles, they had their share of Jews and what comes with them that is, nothing but problems. Poles don't own you anythig, no one invited you there and no one missed.

    Nobody likes an arrogant squatters, stop whining and forget about it ,...

    Snag: You are obviously confused about the dates, history, geograpahy of the WW2. That is another feature of schizophrenia. It is not worth bothering you with history because you don’t understnnd it.

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    Save your breath and spare me name calling just tell me where I'm confused or incorrect ,...

    At 454 I explained to you what was the reason for this so called Kielce 'pogrom' and ask you to name other 'pogroms' that you conveniently haven't noticed and keep tossing 'poor jews' crap against the wall hoping that something is going to stick to it.
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
    , @snag
    Tired of this 'poor me' mantra - Here's your real face and mind set ... Enlarge it 2oo% and read.
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    https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1509/28/1509285094491.jpg
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  • A very creative use of language: Auschwitz is not Auschwitz, a Jew is not a Jew when he was a kapo (‘renowned for their cruelty’):
    “The German concentration camps depended on the cooperation of trustee inmates who supervised the prisoners. Known as Kapos, these trustees carried out the will of the Nazi camp commandants and guards, and were often as brutal as their SS counterparts. Some of these Kapos were Jewish, and even they inflicted harsh treatment on their fellow prisoners. For many, failure to perform their duties would have resulted in severe punishment and even death, but many historians view their actions as a form of complicity. After the war, the prosecution of Kapos as war criminals, particularly those who were Jewish, created an ethical dilemma which continues to this day”.
    But of course, the Nazis made them do it. Like the Judenräte forced to designate those marked for ‘extermination’ lying to them that they selected for ‘resettlement’. Imagine their pangs of conscience! (if they were not really ‘assimilated Polish Jews”).

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  • @Wally
    said:
    "My father’s friend with lower four digit number on his arm was in Auschwitz almost from the start to liberation. "

    More proof that Auschwitz was not the 'extermination / death camp' that is ridiculously alleged.

    www.codoh.com

    It doesn’t mean nothing – My dad’s friend survived Auschwitz because he was a clever, a fighter and master shoemaker, they needed prisoners like him.

    We’re not talking about Auschwitz but Birkenau a sub camp exclusively for Jews and Gipsies. They say Auschwitz but mean Birkenau where the alleged genocide happen. I have to repeat, dad’s friend was a few times in Birkenau and wasn’t aware of any gas chambers, he learned about them after the war. The only Jews he have seen in Auschwits were the kapos and snitches read: an assimilated Polish Jews.

    Auschwitz was a dead camp for those the Germans feared like Polish inteligencia and potential leaders and organisers of underground resistance.

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  • @Proud Israeli Jew
    The author forgets to mention the 300,ooo Polish Jews who were prevented from returning to Poland AFTER WW2.

    This 300,000 were the Jews who were shipped to Siberia by the Soviets in 1939-40 and then released after June 1941. After the war, they attempted to return to Poland. The Polish Catholic pogroms, mini-pogroms and violent incidents (eg. Kilece) stopped the return of 300,000 Jews in late 1945 and 1946. Thus, Polish Jews had to move to Germany and live with the people they hated MORE than the Poles who expelled them.

    My mother in law was born in Germany - because Poland did not allow Polish Jews to return home. That is why we Israelis, particularly DISLIKE Poles.
    This film narrates the Founding of Modern Israel. The Polish "contribution" starts at 3.48 and lasts 3 minutes.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpvADFoAmXA

    In regard of your mom – In October 1938 Nazis expelled and dumped on Polish border around 17.000 Jews, some that used to live in Germany for decades a few with expired Russian passports issued before WWI by Tsar administration in partitioned Poland and most of them undocumented – Non of them spoke Polish. Why blame Poles, they had their share of Jews and what comes with them that is, nothing but problems. Poles don’t own you anythig, no one invited you there and no one missed.

    Nobody likes an arrogant squatters, stop whining and forget about it ,…

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  • @Proud Israeli Jew
    Hopefully none. They spent a year in various camps /gulags in the USSR and then released after June 1941.

    Never give up hope.

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  • Yeah, as snitches, guards, NKVD goons and administration, an oppressors not the oppressed.
    .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RymTWpQg6wI

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  • @Seraphim
    How many of these 'Polish Jews' who reached Germany claimed that have been in German concentration camps?

    Hopefully none. They spent a year in various camps /gulags in the USSR and then released after June 1941.

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    Never give up hope.
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  • With my last comment being in reconciliatory mood I was trying to shift your attention to a bit broader sense of perception of reality. I was hoping that you may snap out from your intense obsessions. But I see something more radical is needed. ECT perhaps?

    When you stop thinking about elephants in San Francisco and stop believing that you have no other choice than being an automaton you may try me again.

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    When you stop thinking about elephants in San Francisco
     
    Utu, I have interacted with you enough to know that you are sufficiently intelligent to understand that the parable of the elephants in San Francisco is not actually about elephants or about San Francisco.

    With my last comment being in reconciliatory mood
     
    If you were really in a "reconciliatory mood", you would desist from this tactic of yours, of using willful obtuseness to try to wriggle out, when you are being cornered in a debate.

    It is infuriating and no way of getting reconciled with anybody (at least with me) but aside from that, it reflects some underlying malaise. I have felt it to be profoundly disrespectful. Originally, I perceived it as being disrespectful to me, but finally, I think it is more disrespectful of yourself.

    This resort to sophomoric tactics like this is the behavior of man who lacks self-respect. You don't feel compelled to behave in a respectable manner because you don't respect yourself.

    The author of this article suffers from much the same problem, I think.
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  • @utu
    You are wasting your time on this guy. He is old and probably lost ability to change anything in his belief system. It is possible that this his first encounter with the deniers or rabid kind. He lived whole his life believing the official orthodox line. I do not think he is able to admit to simple mistakes either. He did not when I corrected him on the fact that Polish Army in the West during WWII actually had many ( about 30%) former Wehrmacht soldiers. The historical landscape he sees is that seen with eyes of child who went through school system in Poland or other Soviet Block country in late 1950s or early 1960s when questioning the official narrative of infinite suffering and infinite evilness of Germans (NAZI term was not used then yet in Soviet Block) was unthinkable and nobody heard of any revisionists. At the same time people had relatives who went through camps and they used to have Jewish neighbors who did not come back after war and they had parents who remember Jews being rounded up and taken away so nobody had any reason to question Jewish extermination. At the same time Jewish suffering was not on the forefront of the narrative because Polish or Russian suffering and heroism was the main part of the story and the Jewish part was not rubbed in and no guilt was evoked as it is done now so people had no reason to be irritated by it.

    If this guy was smarter and had more imagination he should point out to the fact that Poland while utterly penetrated by Jewish and Zionist interests still is a force that has a potential to make changes in the official WWII narrative. Now when it came to blows between Poles and Jews Poland has two options: (1) get into the contest with Jews by emphasizing Polish suffering and begging public opinion to recognize it or (2) undermine Jewish narrative of victimhood, martyrology and innocence. This guy opted for (1) while actually it should be (2) with small admixture of (1) for PR purpose. In Poland there people who realized that and I have heard of a great slogan directed at Jews that is popularized there now:

    Stop telling lies about us or we we will tell the truth about you.

    Which indicates that people in Poland get it even though there are no radical revisionists there. What they mostly mean is the story about how Jews were awful to each other during WWII and how they betrayed Poland by collaborating with not only Soviets but also Germans.

    But the guy is right in some sense about revisionists. Many of the so-called Holo revisionists are scum and also there are many falseflaggots like yourself who lost their way.

    Many of the so-called Holo revisionists are scum

    You know, that reminds me… I always believed that the sun rises every morning in the east, but I recently found out that there are some terrible people who also believe this — really bad folks, like even serial killers and torturers. They also believe that the sun rises in the east every morning.

    So now I am having second thoughts about the whole thing…

    falseflaggots

    Well, I asked a question earlier. Suppose you have your “falseflaggot” automaton that always spits out the same conclusion: it says that every one of these murky events is a false flag. And then you have your “shit eater” automaton that always says that the official story is true.

    In your opinion, which of the two automatons is going to be right more often?

    I thought that was interesting question to focus matters. I’d like you to answer it.

    I’d also like you to answer the question I posed a good while back:

    It was reported that a few weeks ago, an elephant escaped from the zoo and was wandering around the center of San Francisco for a few hours in broad daylight. However, you searched exhaustively and you could find absolutely no photos or videos of this online.

    Would you believe that the event had really happened?

    Well, I asked the above two questions earlier and you dodged them, so I would be pleasantly surprised if you finally answered. But, if not, tell me, why do you dodge legitimate questions continually?

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  • @NoseytheDuke
    A sound comment apart from the last paragraph. All of history should be open to revision otherwise there's be no point in historical research. Historians are always likely to have differing opinions and some are more valid than others so it is up to the reader to decide what they believe.

    As to the falseflaggots term, it's beneath you. There are enough instances of false flag action that it has become prudent to look for signs with any and every event. If a person lies to me once then everything that follows is assumed to be suspect. The latest nerve agent poisoning incident in the UK comes after the dodgy dossier (which led to the destruction of Iraq, the deaths of a million or so Iraqis and trillions of wasted dollars that should have been invested in the betterment of Americans). 7/7 is another example.

    British claims should from now on always be suspect until they've cleaned house. This is true also for the US, Canada, Aust and NZ.

    Britain lost the benefit of the doubt long before 7-7 (and America long before 9-11).

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  • @utu
    You are wasting your time on this guy. He is old and probably lost ability to change anything in his belief system. It is possible that this his first encounter with the deniers or rabid kind. He lived whole his life believing the official orthodox line. I do not think he is able to admit to simple mistakes either. He did not when I corrected him on the fact that Polish Army in the West during WWII actually had many ( about 30%) former Wehrmacht soldiers. The historical landscape he sees is that seen with eyes of child who went through school system in Poland or other Soviet Block country in late 1950s or early 1960s when questioning the official narrative of infinite suffering and infinite evilness of Germans (NAZI term was not used then yet in Soviet Block) was unthinkable and nobody heard of any revisionists. At the same time people had relatives who went through camps and they used to have Jewish neighbors who did not come back after war and they had parents who remember Jews being rounded up and taken away so nobody had any reason to question Jewish extermination. At the same time Jewish suffering was not on the forefront of the narrative because Polish or Russian suffering and heroism was the main part of the story and the Jewish part was not rubbed in and no guilt was evoked as it is done now so people had no reason to be irritated by it.

    If this guy was smarter and had more imagination he should point out to the fact that Poland while utterly penetrated by Jewish and Zionist interests still is a force that has a potential to make changes in the official WWII narrative. Now when it came to blows between Poles and Jews Poland has two options: (1) get into the contest with Jews by emphasizing Polish suffering and begging public opinion to recognize it or (2) undermine Jewish narrative of victimhood, martyrology and innocence. This guy opted for (1) while actually it should be (2) with small admixture of (1) for PR purpose. In Poland there people who realized that and I have heard of a great slogan directed at Jews that is popularized there now:

    Stop telling lies about us or we we will tell the truth about you.

    Which indicates that people in Poland get it even though there are no radical revisionists there. What they mostly mean is the story about how Jews were awful to each other during WWII and how they betrayed Poland by collaborating with not only Soviets but also Germans.

    But the guy is right in some sense about revisionists. Many of the so-called Holo revisionists are scum and also there are many falseflaggots like yourself who lost their way.

    A sound comment apart from the last paragraph. All of history should be open to revision otherwise there’s be no point in historical research. Historians are always likely to have differing opinions and some are more valid than others so it is up to the reader to decide what they believe.

    As to the falseflaggots term, it’s beneath you. There are enough instances of false flag action that it has become prudent to look for signs with any and every event. If a person lies to me once then everything that follows is assumed to be suspect. The latest nerve agent poisoning incident in the UK comes after the dodgy dossier (which led to the destruction of Iraq, the deaths of a million or so Iraqis and trillions of wasted dollars that should have been invested in the betterment of Americans). 7/7 is another example.

    British claims should from now on always be suspect until they’ve cleaned house. This is true also for the US, Canada, Aust and NZ.

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  • @utu
    Have you the deniers considered a possibility that Nazis colluded with Jews to perpetrate the hoax of extermination? Jews asked Nazis to help them create the story that they were exterminated because the story was necessary to further Jewish goals of taking over the world. And Nazis obliged. They passes anti-Jewish laws, then they took them into their custody, then they put them in ghettoes all over Europe, then they started loading them on trains and moving them from camp to camp so everybody got confused and lost the track where did the Jews go. And after the war the winners helped Jews to hide the extra 4 millions or so of survivors by having them changing names and adopting new identities in many countries all over the world. I am asking because without Nazi collusion it is hard to imagine how the hoax could be so successful:


    Nazis colluded with Jews to perpetrate the hoax of extermination
     


    The question is why did Nazis oblige? Nazi ideology was really Jewish ideology. Feliks Koneczny believed that adopting it by Germans was the last attempt to save Byzantine civilization from complete obsolescence.

    https://justice4poland.com/2016/10/17/jewish-civilization-feliks-koneczny/
    Feliks Koneczny realizes that Nazism is the strongest form of anti-Semitism, yet he suggests that it is, in a sense, a copy of Jewish civilization. This is in the sense that Nazism copies the Chosen People and Chosen Race concept. (p. 362, 365). In addition, both systems rely on monolatry.

     


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AFeliks_Koneczny
    ...Koneczny, he didn't wrote that Nazism is product of Jewish civilisation in the sense "of Jews". He divided civilisation into several types, gave all civilisation names. "Jewish civilisation" was one of his types of civilisation, and Nazism in his typology fall under that type. Similarly, he wrote that earlier Germany was of byzantine type of civilisation, and Russia is of turan type of civilization..

     

    You know I am just trolling you.

    National Socialism was never as ethnically narcissistic or as mean spirited as Talmudism, Jewish supremacism or radical Zionism. Its origin and purpose was to create an economically and politically just order in Germany as far as humanly possible, and to undo the injustices inflicted upon the German nation at Versailles.

    Hitler did not view the Jews (as a collective) with blind hatred but, with the benefit of historical hindsight and personal experience, as a problem and an obstacle to the German people’s achievement of economic and political independence, not to mention to the restoration of a better and sounder Germanic culture. He looked to remove the Jews from public influence as fairly and humanely as possible, not to kill all of them. There were no “pogroms” or major eruptions of anti-Jewish violence in Germany under Hitler, with the sole exception of the overblown “Kristallnacht” which may very well have been the work of agents provocateurs, taking advantage of the assassination of the German diplomat in Paris by the Polish Jew Grynspan, while most of the members of the party, including Hitler, were attending a commemoration of the Beer Hall Putsch in Munich. One can observe photographs of queues of Jews lining the sidewalks the day after to make insurance claims. Only international Jewry is able to turn broken shop windows into a terrible “pogrom.”

    It is true that the German Zionists and the National Socialists had a commonality of interests, in the sense that they wanted to remove as many Jews from Germany as possible via peaceful emigration, but it would be a mistake to claim that Hitler favored the creation of Israel- which he rightly prophesied would become not a Jewish homeland but a kind of criminal base of operations and haven for criminal fugitives for international Jewry.

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  • @utu
    Have you the deniers considered a possibility that Nazis colluded with Jews to perpetrate the hoax of extermination? Jews asked Nazis to help them create the story that they were exterminated because the story was necessary to further Jewish goals of taking over the world. And Nazis obliged. They passes anti-Jewish laws, then they took them into their custody, then they put them in ghettoes all over Europe, then they started loading them on trains and moving them from camp to camp so everybody got confused and lost the track where did the Jews go. And after the war the winners helped Jews to hide the extra 4 millions or so of survivors by having them changing names and adopting new identities in many countries all over the world. I am asking because without Nazi collusion it is hard to imagine how the hoax could be so successful:


    Nazis colluded with Jews to perpetrate the hoax of extermination
     


    The question is why did Nazis oblige? Nazi ideology was really Jewish ideology. Feliks Koneczny believed that adopting it by Germans was the last attempt to save Byzantine civilization from complete obsolescence.

    https://justice4poland.com/2016/10/17/jewish-civilization-feliks-koneczny/
    Feliks Koneczny realizes that Nazism is the strongest form of anti-Semitism, yet he suggests that it is, in a sense, a copy of Jewish civilization. This is in the sense that Nazism copies the Chosen People and Chosen Race concept. (p. 362, 365). In addition, both systems rely on monolatry.

     


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AFeliks_Koneczny
    ...Koneczny, he didn't wrote that Nazism is product of Jewish civilisation in the sense "of Jews". He divided civilisation into several types, gave all civilisation names. "Jewish civilisation" was one of his types of civilisation, and Nazism in his typology fall under that type. Similarly, he wrote that earlier Germany was of byzantine type of civilisation, and Russia is of turan type of civilization..

     

    You know I am just trolling you.
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  • @NoseytheDuke
    "don’t sabotage it for the rest of us."

    As in the Fed? WWI and II? The USS Liberty? 9/11? GWOT? WMD? That kind of sabotage?

    No problem, just don’t lie and conduct the discussion in the appropriate forum. USS Liberty, AIPAC, Jewish Neocons etc –plenty of meat there. Jews in the commie repression apparatus in Eastern Europe, ditto. Jews as primary movers in the immigration-inclusiveness racket — yes, good stuff, discuss; but why cram it here when the essay deals with a different subject.

    And then:

    Fed — total lie; there was one single Jew among the founders, and the main motor was JP Morgan, hardly one of the chosen. WWI has nothing to do with da jooz, and WWII is only about them as victims–yes even the kapos and Judenrat were victims. So if you wipe the blinding foam of unrestrained joo-hate off your face, and deal with the issue rationally, judiciously, without an overwhelming confirmation bias, first, you’ll be closer to the truth, which is important per se, and two, you’ll be much more convincing in your attempt to open people’s eyes to negative Jewish influences and actions.

    Plus, there is the chicken -egg thing and the stupid “Christ-killers” thing, Christ having been a Jew by the name of Yoshua and called Rabbi by his (Jewish) acolytes and apostles (it’s in the NT, you don’t have to believe me), and the Christian church, for its first 50 years of existence, having been exclusively Jewish. You have to look at the matter with an attempt at dispassionate objectivity, the way an academic of integrity does — then you’ll be much more convincing.

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  • @Mulegino1
    The gist of the great controversy regarding the Shoah Business narrative and the revisionists is this:

    If Hitler really desired world conquest and the National Socialist regime did indeed commit industrial scale genocide and murder "six million Jews and five million 'others'" based almost entirely upon racial, ethnic and religious considerations, then it must be accounted one of the most evil expressions of tyranny and despotism in all of human history.

    If the foregoing was indeed true, all of the subsequent horrendous atrocities against the Germans (and in a broader sense, all western and central Europeans) were, if not entirely justified, then certainly understandable in light of the "Good War", whose protagonists wanted to save the world (and the Jews) from subordination and annihilation. To put it more concisely, Dresden and all of the firebombed cities, the mass rapes and mass murders committed by the Soviets, the culture of rape and abuse among the Allies, Eisenhower's starvation camps, etc., all merit absolution as part of a great crusade to save the world from unique German criminality and savagery.

    On the other hand, if Hitler had no desire to conquer the entire world, and the National Socialist regime did not carry out the aforementioned industrial scale genocide - and all the concrete, physical and authentic documentary evidence indicates that they did not- then what subsequent generations have imbibed with their mother's milk and propagandized with is nothing but bunk. And this bunk was designed to underpin an Atlanticist-NATO and subsequently Zionist hegemonist world view- with the seat of the hegemon in Wall St., the City of London and Tel Aviv.

    Have you the deniers considered a possibility that Nazis colluded with Jews to perpetrate the hoax of extermination? Jews asked Nazis to help them create the story that they were exterminated because the story was necessary to further Jewish goals of taking over the world. And Nazis obliged. They passes anti-Jewish laws, then they took them into their custody, then they put them in ghettoes all over Europe, then they started loading them on trains and moving them from camp to camp so everybody got confused and lost the track where did the Jews go. And after the war the winners helped Jews to hide the extra 4 millions or so of survivors by having them changing names and adopting new identities in many countries all over the world. I am asking because without Nazi collusion it is hard to imagine how the hoax could be so successful:

    Nazis colluded with Jews to perpetrate the hoax of extermination

    The question is why did Nazis oblige? Nazi ideology was really Jewish ideology. Feliks Koneczny believed that adopting it by Germans was the last attempt to save Byzantine civilization from complete obsolescence.

    https://justice4poland.com/2016/10/17/jewish-civilization-feliks-koneczny/
    Feliks Koneczny realizes that Nazism is the strongest form of anti-Semitism, yet he suggests that it is, in a sense, a copy of Jewish civilization. This is in the sense that Nazism copies the Chosen People and Chosen Race concept. (p. 362, 365). In addition, both systems rely on monolatry.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AFeliks_Koneczny
    …Koneczny, he didn’t wrote that Nazism is product of Jewish civilisation in the sense “of Jews”. He divided civilisation into several types, gave all civilisation names. “Jewish civilisation” was one of his types of civilisation, and Nazism in his typology fall under that type. Similarly, he wrote that earlier Germany was of byzantine type of civilisation, and Russia is of turan type of civilization..

    You know I am just trolling you.

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    "Nazis colluded with Jews to perpetrate the hoax of extermination"
    https://www.kedem-auctions.com/content/nazi-medallion-swastika-and-star-david%E2%80%93-nazi-travels-palestine-1934
    , @Mulegino1
    National Socialism was never as ethnically narcissistic or as mean spirited as Talmudism, Jewish supremacism or radical Zionism. Its origin and purpose was to create an economically and politically just order in Germany as far as humanly possible, and to undo the injustices inflicted upon the German nation at Versailles.

    Hitler did not view the Jews (as a collective) with blind hatred but, with the benefit of historical hindsight and personal experience, as a problem and an obstacle to the German people's achievement of economic and political independence, not to mention to the restoration of a better and sounder Germanic culture. He looked to remove the Jews from public influence as fairly and humanely as possible, not to kill all of them. There were no "pogroms" or major eruptions of anti-Jewish violence in Germany under Hitler, with the sole exception of the overblown "Kristallnacht" which may very well have been the work of agents provocateurs, taking advantage of the assassination of the German diplomat in Paris by the Polish Jew Grynspan, while most of the members of the party, including Hitler, were attending a commemoration of the Beer Hall Putsch in Munich. One can observe photographs of queues of Jews lining the sidewalks the day after to make insurance claims. Only international Jewry is able to turn broken shop windows into a terrible "pogrom."

    It is true that the German Zionists and the National Socialists had a commonality of interests, in the sense that they wanted to remove as many Jews from Germany as possible via peaceful emigration, but it would be a mistake to claim that Hitler favored the creation of Israel- which he rightly prophesied would become not a Jewish homeland but a kind of criminal base of operations and haven for criminal fugitives for international Jewry.

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  • @utu
    You are wasting your time on this guy. He is old and probably lost ability to change anything in his belief system. It is possible that this his first encounter with the deniers or rabid kind. He lived whole his life believing the official orthodox line. I do not think he is able to admit to simple mistakes either. He did not when I corrected him on the fact that Polish Army in the West during WWII actually had many ( about 30%) former Wehrmacht soldiers. The historical landscape he sees is that seen with eyes of child who went through school system in Poland or other Soviet Block country in late 1950s or early 1960s when questioning the official narrative of infinite suffering and infinite evilness of Germans (NAZI term was not used then yet in Soviet Block) was unthinkable and nobody heard of any revisionists. At the same time people had relatives who went through camps and they used to have Jewish neighbors who did not come back after war and they had parents who remember Jews being rounded up and taken away so nobody had any reason to question Jewish extermination. At the same time Jewish suffering was not on the forefront of the narrative because Polish or Russian suffering and heroism was the main part of the story and the Jewish part was not rubbed in and no guilt was evoked as it is done now so people had no reason to be irritated by it.

    If this guy was smarter and had more imagination he should point out to the fact that Poland while utterly penetrated by Jewish and Zionist interests still is a force that has a potential to make changes in the official WWII narrative. Now when it came to blows between Poles and Jews Poland has two options: (1) get into the contest with Jews by emphasizing Polish suffering and begging public opinion to recognize it or (2) undermine Jewish narrative of victimhood, martyrology and innocence. This guy opted for (1) while actually it should be (2) with small admixture of (1) for PR purpose. In Poland there people who realized that and I have heard of a great slogan directed at Jews that is popularized there now:

    Stop telling lies about us or we we will tell the truth about you.

    Which indicates that people in Poland get it even though there are no radical revisionists there. What they mostly mean is the story about how Jews were awful to each other during WWII and how they betrayed Poland by collaborating with not only Soviets but also Germans.

    But the guy is right in some sense about revisionists. Many of the so-called Holo revisionists are scum and also there are many falseflaggots like yourself who lost their way.

    Post @ 589 is my responce for utu @ 587 .

    Sorry ,…

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  • ” the fact that Poland while utterly penetrated by Jewish and Zionist interests still is a force that has a potential to make changes in the official WWII narrative”

    There’s a problem in who’s interest since for most of the time afterr WWII Poland was run and still is by crypto-jews? They have nice Polish names but they aren’t Poles.

    http://www.ivrozbiorpolski.pl/index.php?page=lista-prawdziwych-zydowskich

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  • The gist of the great controversy regarding the Shoah Business narrative and the revisionists is this:

    If Hitler really desired world conquest and the National Socialist regime did indeed commit industrial scale genocide and murder “six million Jews and five million ‘others’” based almost entirely upon racial, ethnic and religious considerations, then it must be accounted one of the most evil expressions of tyranny and despotism in all of human history.

    If the foregoing was indeed true, all of the subsequent horrendous atrocities against the Germans (and in a broader sense, all western and central Europeans) were, if not entirely justified, then certainly understandable in light of the “Good War”, whose protagonists wanted to save the world (and the Jews) from subordination and annihilation. To put it more concisely, Dresden and all of the firebombed cities, the mass rapes and mass murders committed by the Soviets, the culture of rape and abuse among the Allies, Eisenhower’s starvation camps, etc., all merit absolution as part of a great crusade to save the world from unique German criminality and savagery.

    On the other hand, if Hitler had no desire to conquer the entire world, and the National Socialist regime did not carry out the aforementioned industrial scale genocide – and all the concrete, physical and authentic documentary evidence indicates that they did not- then what subsequent generations have imbibed with their mother’s milk and propagandized with is nothing but bunk. And this bunk was designed to underpin an Atlanticist-NATO and subsequently Zionist hegemonist world view- with the seat of the hegemon in Wall St., the City of London and Tel Aviv.

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    Have you the deniers considered a possibility that Nazis colluded with Jews to perpetrate the hoax of extermination? Jews asked Nazis to help them create the story that they were exterminated because the story was necessary to further Jewish goals of taking over the world. And Nazis obliged. They passes anti-Jewish laws, then they took them into their custody, then they put them in ghettoes all over Europe, then they started loading them on trains and moving them from camp to camp so everybody got confused and lost the track where did the Jews go. And after the war the winners helped Jews to hide the extra 4 millions or so of survivors by having them changing names and adopting new identities in many countries all over the world. I am asking because without Nazi collusion it is hard to imagine how the hoax could be so successful:


    Nazis colluded with Jews to perpetrate the hoax of extermination
     


    The question is why did Nazis oblige? Nazi ideology was really Jewish ideology. Feliks Koneczny believed that adopting it by Germans was the last attempt to save Byzantine civilization from complete obsolescence.

    https://justice4poland.com/2016/10/17/jewish-civilization-feliks-koneczny/
    Feliks Koneczny realizes that Nazism is the strongest form of anti-Semitism, yet he suggests that it is, in a sense, a copy of Jewish civilization. This is in the sense that Nazism copies the Chosen People and Chosen Race concept. (p. 362, 365). In addition, both systems rely on monolatry.

     


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AFeliks_Koneczny
    ...Koneczny, he didn't wrote that Nazism is product of Jewish civilisation in the sense "of Jews". He divided civilisation into several types, gave all civilisation names. "Jewish civilisation" was one of his types of civilisation, and Nazism in his typology fall under that type. Similarly, he wrote that earlier Germany was of byzantine type of civilisation, and Russia is of turan type of civilization..

     

    You know I am just trolling you.
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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    Go elsewhere, Nazi or false flag Nazi scum.
     
    You know, for a while in all of this, I was feeling a bit sorry for you. After all, I believed the conventional "Good War" version of WW2 for most of my life as well.

    But, look, your behavior here is increasingly sordid. Now, you are down to the level of screaming that everybody who disagrees with you is self-evidently a Nazi. This is just typical tiresome fallacious nonsense. One can deconstruct it pretty easily as follows:

    Somebody says: "Jeffrey Dahmer killed like a thousand people, Dude."

    You reply: "No, that's ridiculous. Jeffrey Dahmer killed a dozen people, maybe two dozen tops."

    (In fact, I just looked it up and the official number is 17.)

    The person now replies: "You sick fuck, supporting the likes of Jeffrey Dahmer!"

    If the claim is that the Hitler regime systematically murdered something like 11 million people (6 million Jews and 5 million "others") and you reply: "No, that is a massive exaggeration." Does this mean that you are a supporter of the Nazi regime? Regardless, the year is 2018! What would that really even mean in practice?

    I've heard the claim that Stalin killed 30 million people. I'm pretty sure that's an exaggeration too. I suspect that the regime killed a lot of folks, but probably a tenth of that figure.

    Does that make me a Stalinist?

    You're engaging in this kind of mentally squalid sort of stuff. And this idea that whatever story is true because all the academic historians proclaim their belief in it. Well, obviously they do, when it's a crime punishable by prison and so forth to say you don't believe it!

    It has as much validity as pointing to a confession that was extracted via torture. Granted, somebody could confess to a crime under torture and he's actually guilty of said crime. That's possible, but the confession doesn't mean anything. I would confess to anything under torture. Anybody would.

    You're engaging in such a sleazy, squalid, contemptible kind of discourse. It's really disgraceful.

    You are wasting your time on this guy. He is old and probably lost ability to change anything in his belief system. It is possible that this his first encounter with the deniers or rabid kind. He lived whole his life believing the official orthodox line. I do not think he is able to admit to simple mistakes either. He did not when I corrected him on the fact that Polish Army in the West during WWII actually had many ( about 30%) former Wehrmacht soldiers. The historical landscape he sees is that seen with eyes of child who went through school system in Poland or other Soviet Block country in late 1950s or early 1960s when questioning the official narrative of infinite suffering and infinite evilness of Germans (NAZI term was not used then yet in Soviet Block) was unthinkable and nobody heard of any revisionists. At the same time people had relatives who went through camps and they used to have Jewish neighbors who did not come back after war and they had parents who remember Jews being rounded up and taken away so nobody had any reason to question Jewish extermination. At the same time Jewish suffering was not on the forefront of the narrative because Polish or Russian suffering and heroism was the main part of the story and the Jewish part was not rubbed in and no guilt was evoked as it is done now so people had no reason to be irritated by it.

    If this guy was smarter and had more imagination he should point out to the fact that Poland while utterly penetrated by Jewish and Zionist interests still is a force that has a potential to make changes in the official WWII narrative. Now when it came to blows between Poles and Jews Poland has two options: (1) get into the contest with Jews by emphasizing Polish suffering and begging public opinion to recognize it or (2) undermine Jewish narrative of victimhood, martyrology and innocence. This guy opted for (1) while actually it should be (2) with small admixture of (1) for PR purpose. In Poland there people who realized that and I have heard of a great slogan directed at Jews that is popularized there now:

    Stop telling lies about us or we we will tell the truth about you.

    Which indicates that people in Poland get it even though there are no radical revisionists there. What they mostly mean is the story about how Jews were awful to each other during WWII and how they betrayed Poland by collaborating with not only Soviets but also Germans.

    But the guy is right in some sense about revisionists. Many of the so-called Holo revisionists are scum and also there are many falseflaggots like yourself who lost their way.

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    Sorry ,...
    , @NoseytheDuke
    A sound comment apart from the last paragraph. All of history should be open to revision otherwise there's be no point in historical research. Historians are always likely to have differing opinions and some are more valid than others so it is up to the reader to decide what they believe.

    As to the falseflaggots term, it's beneath you. There are enough instances of false flag action that it has become prudent to look for signs with any and every event. If a person lies to me once then everything that follows is assumed to be suspect. The latest nerve agent poisoning incident in the UK comes after the dodgy dossier (which led to the destruction of Iraq, the deaths of a million or so Iraqis and trillions of wasted dollars that should have been invested in the betterment of Americans). 7/7 is another example.

    British claims should from now on always be suspect until they've cleaned house. This is true also for the US, Canada, Aust and NZ.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    Many of the so-called Holo revisionists are scum
     
    You know, that reminds me... I always believed that the sun rises every morning in the east, but I recently found out that there are some terrible people who also believe this -- really bad folks, like even serial killers and torturers. They also believe that the sun rises in the east every morning.

    So now I am having second thoughts about the whole thing...


    falseflaggots
     
    Well, I asked a question earlier. Suppose you have your "falseflaggot" automaton that always spits out the same conclusion: it says that every one of these murky events is a false flag. And then you have your "shit eater" automaton that always says that the official story is true.

    In your opinion, which of the two automatons is going to be right more often?

    I thought that was interesting question to focus matters. I'd like you to answer it.

    I'd also like you to answer the question I posed a good while back:

    It was reported that a few weeks ago, an elephant escaped from the zoo and was wandering around the center of San Francisco for a few hours in broad daylight. However, you searched exhaustively and you could find absolutely no photos or videos of this online.

    Would you believe that the event had really happened?

    Well, I asked the above two questions earlier and you dodged them, so I would be pleasantly surprised if you finally answered. But, if not, tell me, why do you dodge legitimate questions continually?

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  • @Proud Israeli Jew
    Snag:
    Are you suferring from distrurbed thought processes ?
    That is a form of schizophrenia when you talk about one thing and then jump to another topic which is virtually unrelated to the first.
    You need to go and see a Neurologist about it.

    OMG, did I hurt your feelings? One more time, no one missed you there or anywhere, deal with it.

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  • @snag
    Nobody missed them there. In regard why do they hate? One reason because the Poles know more about them than anybody else and wittnessed their conduct at it lowest during the war. - Would you like somebody that witnessed a rape on your daughter or wife and you doing nothing try to be respected and trust worthy person or ridicule and portray him as BS peddler?

    Judenrat and their goons were known for running brothels, 5 star hotels, restaurants, pubs and cabarets in ghetto while their woman and children were dying from cold and hunger on the streets, they're known for extorting gold and jewelry for a slice of bread or potato from their starving brothers and sisters. Judenrat brass and it's goons was known for raping 12 year old girls and boys and for corruption on scale unknown in modern world. Poles witnessed , abhored them as humans and talk to much.

    Read uncensored "Notes from the Warsaw Ghetto" by Ringelblum, not the one in Yad Vashem

    How many times did you hear or read about Warsaw ghetto uprising 'heroes'? Here's a real account - A lousy google translation but an eye opening.

    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=https://www.maurizioblondet.it/faurisson-sulla-insurrezione-del-ghetto-varsavia/&prev=search

    The chase concenration camps clerks and janitors in their 90's but ignore their own basatrds.

    "Gancwajch and surviving members of the group later re-emerged posing as Jewish underground fighters, though in reality they were hunting for Poles hiding the Jews"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_13

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_K%C3%BCbler

    Snag:
    Are you suferring from distrurbed thought processes ?
    That is a form of schizophrenia when you talk about one thing and then jump to another topic which is virtually unrelated to the first.
    You need to go and see a Neurologist about it.

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    OMG, did I hurt your feelings? One more time, no one missed you there or anywhere, deal with it.
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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    I agree that the causes of WW1 were multi-faceted, and that the Germans are not completely blameless. (But they had little choice after Russia’s mobilization.) However it’s completely untenable to portray Britain’s entry has somehow gallantly standing up for the rights of neutrals (esp. ludicrous given Britain’s history of such violations). Britain’s concern (as with the continuation war in 1939) was with suppressing an economic rival and their historical concern with preventing the rise of a competitive power on the Continent.

    Russia mobilised because Austria-Hungary attacked her loyal ally Serbia. Maybe she shouldn’t have? Well, Germany went in after Serbia gave a bloody nose to Germany’s ally, Austria-Hungary. Somehow I consider that the most responsible for the war is who actually started it. Austria-Hungary started it and Germany followed.
    And just for info, the then Prime Minister of Serbia, Nikola Pašić, after having been informed of the plans to assassinate the archduke Franz-Ferdinand, who had chosen the anniversary of the battle of Kosovo to visit Sarajevo, had ordered a halt to the plan, in fear that it might lead to war with Austria-Hungary, and a war was what Serbia, just out of two Balkan wars, wanted last. The conspirators proceeded with their plan nonetheless and Austria-Hungary presented an ultimatum to Serbia that no sovereign country on Earth could accept. The organiser of the attack, Dragutin Dimitrijević Apis was eventually sentenced to death for high treason and executed.

    (The Rambouillet “agreement” in 1999 was a similar ultimatum and was just as unacceptable)

    As a conclusion, in WWI, Germany, Austria-Hungary and their allies were the aggressors, they invaded Serbia, Greece, Belgium, France, and that’s where the battles were fought, no battle was fought in Germany. In WWII, it was Germany again invading other countries, you can spin it anyway you like, those remain facts.

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  • @Max Denken
    You don't get it, boyo,

    By mixing your crazy shit into legitimate, truthful criticism of Jewish influence, acts and utterances, you are poisoning the whole kettle of soup. You are doing for it what the "Jews won't replace us" crowd did for the white cause in Charlottesville. You could not be more effective if you were a Black Ops unit of ZOA or ADL-- and perhaps that's what you are.

    Go elsewhere, Nazi or false flag Nazi scum. It's a free country, you can wear svastika armbands, you can hold your own demonstrations, but don't sabotage it for the rest of us.

    Go elsewhere, Nazi or false flag Nazi scum.

    You know, for a while in all of this, I was feeling a bit sorry for you. After all, I believed the conventional “Good War” version of WW2 for most of my life as well.

    But, look, your behavior here is increasingly sordid. Now, you are down to the level of screaming that everybody who disagrees with you is self-evidently a Nazi. This is just typical tiresome fallacious nonsense. One can deconstruct it pretty easily as follows:

    Somebody says: “Jeffrey Dahmer killed like a thousand people, Dude.”

    You reply: “No, that’s ridiculous. Jeffrey Dahmer killed a dozen people, maybe two dozen tops.”

    (In fact, I just looked it up and the official number is 17.)

    The person now replies: “You sick fuck, supporting the likes of Jeffrey Dahmer!”

    If the claim is that the Hitler regime systematically murdered something like 11 million people (6 million Jews and 5 million “others”) and you reply: “No, that is a massive exaggeration.” Does this mean that you are a supporter of the Nazi regime? Regardless, the year is 2018! What would that really even mean in practice?

    I’ve heard the claim that Stalin killed 30 million people. I’m pretty sure that’s an exaggeration too. I suspect that the regime killed a lot of folks, but probably a tenth of that figure.

    Does that make me a Stalinist?

    You’re engaging in this kind of mentally squalid sort of stuff. And this idea that whatever story is true because all the academic historians proclaim their belief in it. Well, obviously they do, when it’s a crime punishable by prison and so forth to say you don’t believe it!

    It has as much validity as pointing to a confession that was extracted via torture. Granted, somebody could confess to a crime under torture and he’s actually guilty of said crime. That’s possible, but the confession doesn’t mean anything. I would confess to anything under torture. Anybody would.

    You’re engaging in such a sleazy, squalid, contemptible kind of discourse. It’s really disgraceful.

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    You are wasting your time on this guy. He is old and probably lost ability to change anything in his belief system. It is possible that this his first encounter with the deniers or rabid kind. He lived whole his life believing the official orthodox line. I do not think he is able to admit to simple mistakes either. He did not when I corrected him on the fact that Polish Army in the West during WWII actually had many ( about 30%) former Wehrmacht soldiers. The historical landscape he sees is that seen with eyes of child who went through school system in Poland or other Soviet Block country in late 1950s or early 1960s when questioning the official narrative of infinite suffering and infinite evilness of Germans (NAZI term was not used then yet in Soviet Block) was unthinkable and nobody heard of any revisionists. At the same time people had relatives who went through camps and they used to have Jewish neighbors who did not come back after war and they had parents who remember Jews being rounded up and taken away so nobody had any reason to question Jewish extermination. At the same time Jewish suffering was not on the forefront of the narrative because Polish or Russian suffering and heroism was the main part of the story and the Jewish part was not rubbed in and no guilt was evoked as it is done now so people had no reason to be irritated by it.

    If this guy was smarter and had more imagination he should point out to the fact that Poland while utterly penetrated by Jewish and Zionist interests still is a force that has a potential to make changes in the official WWII narrative. Now when it came to blows between Poles and Jews Poland has two options: (1) get into the contest with Jews by emphasizing Polish suffering and begging public opinion to recognize it or (2) undermine Jewish narrative of victimhood, martyrology and innocence. This guy opted for (1) while actually it should be (2) with small admixture of (1) for PR purpose. In Poland there people who realized that and I have heard of a great slogan directed at Jews that is popularized there now:

    Stop telling lies about us or we we will tell the truth about you.

    Which indicates that people in Poland get it even though there are no radical revisionists there. What they mostly mean is the story about how Jews were awful to each other during WWII and how they betrayed Poland by collaborating with not only Soviets but also Germans.

    But the guy is right in some sense about revisionists. Many of the so-called Holo revisionists are scum and also there are many falseflaggots like yourself who lost their way.
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  • @Vojkan
    Hubris? Austro-Hungarian expansionism? Zionists to this day reproach Serbia for having refused to accept all the terms of the ultimatum in 1914. They said so in my face. My mother didn't believe it until she was told in the face too. She afterwards came to to tell me that she couldn't believe I was right.
    I concede to you that war was in the making long before 1914 and the main culprit is the Austro-Hungarian empire. The same Austria-Hungary that from 1878 the Berlin Congress administered and in 1908 formally annexed a then majority Serbian Bosnia-Herzegovina, was legitimately seen as an occupier. Russia being the loyal ally she is warned in advance that she would defend Serbia. Austria-Hungary attacked, couldn't win it alone, got her noose bloodied at the battle of Cer then was kicked out of Serbia after the battle of Kolubara, and Germany came to the rescue of her ally, Germany which on the Western front attacked France through neutral Belgium, which is the reason why the UK entered the war. Russia entered the war because of Serbia, the UK because of Belgium, at the instigation of Winston Churchill and only after half the cabinet resigned in protest. Nobody resigned in protest in Germany. My four great grandfathers fought in WWI and did the retreat over Albania.
    I understand that people are p*ss*d off by Zionist policies, and would like to pin the blame on Jews for the extinction of the dinosaurs, and paint the Germans white because the world wars have resulted in a less than rightful and pleasant world order. I realised how nefarious Zionism was during the 1990s and the war in the former Yugoslavia. Most of the propaganda against Serbs was done by Jews as it is today against Russia. Actually the same folks who concocted the war in Iraq, concocted before that the war on Serbs and are cooking now the war against Russia. But no, Germans are not innocent doves. Had they won, the world would have been no better. In fact, liberated France did great until de Gaulle was toppled.
    That said, I feel no hate for Germans, on the contrary, I appreciate their great contribution to European culture and I love to listen to Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, as much as to Dvorjak, Tchaikovsky or Rachmaninov. Granted my knowledge is only partial but History is History and I don't look at it through an ideological glass.

    I agree that the causes of WW1 were multi-faceted, and that the Germans are not completely blameless. (But they had little choice after Russia’s mobilization.) However it’s completely untenable to portray Britain’s entry has somehow gallantly standing up for the rights of neutrals (esp. ludicrous given Britain’s history of such violations). Britain’s concern (as with the continuation war in 1939) was with suppressing an economic rival and their historical concern with preventing the rise of a competitive power on the Continent.

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    Russia mobilised because Austria-Hungary attacked her loyal ally Serbia. Maybe she shouldn't have? Well, Germany went in after Serbia gave a bloody nose to Germany's ally, Austria-Hungary. Somehow I consider that the most responsible for the war is who actually started it. Austria-Hungary started it and Germany followed.
    And just for info, the then Prime Minister of Serbia, Nikola Pašić, after having been informed of the plans to assassinate the archduke Franz-Ferdinand, who had chosen the anniversary of the battle of Kosovo to visit Sarajevo, had ordered a halt to the plan, in fear that it might lead to war with Austria-Hungary, and a war was what Serbia, just out of two Balkan wars, wanted last. The conspirators proceeded with their plan nonetheless and Austria-Hungary presented an ultimatum to Serbia that no sovereign country on Earth could accept. The organiser of the attack, Dragutin Dimitrijević Apis was eventually sentenced to death for high treason and executed.

    (The Rambouillet "agreement" in 1999 was a similar ultimatum and was just as unacceptable)

    As a conclusion, in WWI, Germany, Austria-Hungary and their allies were the aggressors, they invaded Serbia, Greece, Belgium, France, and that's where the battles were fought, no battle was fought in Germany. In WWII, it was Germany again invading other countries, you can spin it anyway you like, those remain facts.
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  • @Max Denken
    You cannot win with this swarm of 'Zionist black helicopters (ZBLAH)" truthers that took possession of this space. Just send them to authoritative sources to argue their points there. As to the soccer-playing summer camps where a few people died from overcrowding and flu, send them to these I found in 5 min. of searching. As to what Germany inflicted on Poland, send them to the IPN, ditto.

    https://twitter.com/AuschwitzMuseum
    https://twitter.com/MajdanekMuseum
    https://twitter.com/search?q=Treblinka&src=typd
    https://twitter.com/search?q=Belzec&src=typd
    https://www.warhistoryonline.com/featured/ten-worst-nazi-concentration-camps.html
    https://twitter.com/GerDeathCamps
    https://twitter.com/ipngovpl


    If any of these are not credible in the judgment of the ZBLAH people, let them argue their theories at the respective, proper venues. This one isn't.

    You cannot win with this swarm of ‘Zionist black helicopters (ZBLAH)” truthers…

    Now that’s funny, but mockery like that is also typical of those who can’t present a rational argument and are trying to defend the indefensible.

    Good thing you people have Germany to scapegoat; “Dem Jerminz dunnit! Waaaaa!” It’s always “dem jerminz,” isn’t it?

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  • @Iwona
    The Germans brought it on themselves. There would have been no "ethnic cleansing of Germans" if Germany hadn't started the war and imposed ethnic cleansing on Poland: six million dead (half of whom were Christian), millions of slave laborers (included sex slaves), millions of Poles deported to make way for German colonists, hundreds of thousands of Polish children of "aryan" appearance kidnapped and sent to Germany. Furthermore, the westward shift of Poland's borders (agreed upon without Poland's knowledge) meant the loss of half of Poland's prewar territory and ethnic cleansing of millions of ethnic Poles living in the eastern borderlands annexed by the USSR. Germany has been very shrewd in presenting themselves as victims while Poland, under Soviet occupation for 50 years, had its history hijacked.

    The Germans brought it on themselves.

    Pure nonsense; noting but repetition of war time propaganda and the myth was busted even as it was going on.

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  • @annamaria
    This is what you wrote about Solzhenitsyn documentary "Two Hundred Years Together:" "The figures are a complete lie. I dont fall for low iq nonsense. ... he was not an expert on the numbers."
    -- For a high-IQ-minded person like "polskijoe," the grammar could be better. And what are your numbers? What kind of expertise do you have, which allows you to smear Solzhenitsyn as if he was not smeared already by an army of Israel-firsters?
    Here was my post: "Have you personally had an access to the Soviet archives? Or you believe that since the facts (FACTS, documented facts) are inconvenient for the Jews it is Ok to sequester a book/documentary created by a Noble Prize Laureate in Literature. Who are you to bad-mouth Solzhenitsyn who stood up courageously to the Soviet regime when people like you were opportunistically submissive? Guess, the innocence of your mind does not allow you to take a look at Solzhenitsyn book: https://www.sott.net/article/271904-Solzhenitsyn-Banned-all-over-again http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/most-banned-book-in-the-world-200-years-together-aleksandr-solzhenitsyn/
    -- Again, who are you to smear the courageous free thinker? What is so hard for you accept in Solzhenitsyn book "Two Hundred Years Together?" According to Wikipedia, the book is "a comprehensive history of Jews in the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, and modern Russia between the years 1795 and 1995..." The book has been sequestered by all publishing houses in the UK and US. Guess, the publishers believe, like you, that "The figures are a complete lie. I dont fall for low iq nonsense. ... he was not an expert on the numbers."

    Apparently you are dealing with Stalin’s orphan. I did not know that they have them in Poland but here you can encounter them at Saker and Israel Shamir blogs.

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  • @jacques sheete

    A short version would be that unless you consider bolshevism as an offspring pan-slavism,
     
    I don't. Never have, and the idea seems bizarre if not preposterous to me.

    pan-slavism isn’t responsible for anywhere near the number of deaths as pan-germanism.
     
    That is highly debatable especially considering that Russia and her backers, France and the Brits, were far more to blame for WW1 than Germany could possibly have been.

    All of them were spending large sums to build up their militaries and they far outspent Germany, and as a result they had a much greater combined military might than the Central Powers, plus Germany -Austria was largely encircled by hostile forces, had little in comparison with natural resources, and was vulnerable so why would Germany start a fight?

    Hubris? Austro-Hungarian expansionism? Zionists to this day reproach Serbia for having refused to accept all the terms of the ultimatum in 1914. They said so in my face. My mother didn’t believe it until she was told in the face too. She afterwards came to to tell me that she couldn’t believe I was right.
    I concede to you that war was in the making long before 1914 and the main culprit is the Austro-Hungarian empire. The same Austria-Hungary that from 1878 the Berlin Congress administered and in 1908 formally annexed a then majority Serbian Bosnia-Herzegovina, was legitimately seen as an occupier. Russia being the loyal ally she is warned in advance that she would defend Serbia. Austria-Hungary attacked, couldn’t win it alone, got her noose bloodied at the battle of Cer then was kicked out of Serbia after the battle of Kolubara, and Germany came to the rescue of her ally, Germany which on the Western front attacked France through neutral Belgium, which is the reason why the UK entered the war. Russia entered the war because of Serbia, the UK because of Belgium, at the instigation of Winston Churchill and only after half the cabinet resigned in protest. Nobody resigned in protest in Germany. My four great grandfathers fought in WWI and did the retreat over Albania.
    I understand that people are p*ss*d off by Zionist policies, and would like to pin the blame on Jews for the extinction of the dinosaurs, and paint the Germans white because the world wars have resulted in a less than rightful and pleasant world order. I realised how nefarious Zionism was during the 1990s and the war in the former Yugoslavia. Most of the propaganda against Serbs was done by Jews as it is today against Russia. Actually the same folks who concocted the war in Iraq, concocted before that the war on Serbs and are cooking now the war against Russia. But no, Germans are not innocent doves. Had they won, the world would have been no better. In fact, liberated France did great until de Gaulle was toppled.
    That said, I feel no hate for Germans, on the contrary, I appreciate their great contribution to European culture and I love to listen to Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, as much as to Dvorjak, Tchaikovsky or Rachmaninov. Granted my knowledge is only partial but History is History and I don’t look at it through an ideological glass.

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    I agree that the causes of WW1 were multi-faceted, and that the Germans are not completely blameless. (But they had little choice after Russia’s mobilization.) However it’s completely untenable to portray Britain’s entry has somehow gallantly standing up for the rights of neutrals (esp. ludicrous given Britain’s history of such violations). Britain’s concern (as with the continuation war in 1939) was with suppressing an economic rival and their historical concern with preventing the rise of a competitive power on the Continent.
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  • @Vojkan
    You know very well that I would need a whole essay to answer your question. A short version would be that unless you consider bolshevism as an offspring pan-slavism, pan-slavism isn't responsible for anywhere near the number of deaths as pan-germanism.
    To make perfectly clear where I stand, though I consider myself close to the Russians, my view of the world has been heavily influenced by Dostoevsky and Berdaev, I also consider myself much closer to the Greek than to Croats or Slovenians, whom I regardt as barbarians dressed in civilised clothes, and it has been so since I remember.
    My fondness for Dostoevsky should also tell you where I stand regarding the murder of a pregnant woman on June 28th, 1914.
    That said, there are three decisions that have been made by the people who ruled Serbia in the XXth century that I approve: the rejection of the Austro-Hungarian ultimatum in 1914, the rejection of the pact with nazi Germany in 1941, and the rejection of the 1999 Rambouillet ultimatum by the US led West, even if it had meant war in all three cases.

    A short version would be that unless you consider bolshevism as an offspring pan-slavism,

    I don’t. Never have, and the idea seems bizarre if not preposterous to me.

    pan-slavism isn’t responsible for anywhere near the number of deaths as pan-germanism.

    That is highly debatable especially considering that Russia and her backers, France and the Brits, were far more to blame for WW1 than Germany could possibly have been.

    All of them were spending large sums to build up their militaries and they far outspent Germany, and as a result they had a much greater combined military might than the Central Powers, plus Germany -Austria was largely encircled by hostile forces, had little in comparison with natural resources, and was vulnerable so why would Germany start a fight?

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    Hubris? Austro-Hungarian expansionism? Zionists to this day reproach Serbia for having refused to accept all the terms of the ultimatum in 1914. They said so in my face. My mother didn't believe it until she was told in the face too. She afterwards came to to tell me that she couldn't believe I was right.
    I concede to you that war was in the making long before 1914 and the main culprit is the Austro-Hungarian empire. The same Austria-Hungary that from 1878 the Berlin Congress administered and in 1908 formally annexed a then majority Serbian Bosnia-Herzegovina, was legitimately seen as an occupier. Russia being the loyal ally she is warned in advance that she would defend Serbia. Austria-Hungary attacked, couldn't win it alone, got her noose bloodied at the battle of Cer then was kicked out of Serbia after the battle of Kolubara, and Germany came to the rescue of her ally, Germany which on the Western front attacked France through neutral Belgium, which is the reason why the UK entered the war. Russia entered the war because of Serbia, the UK because of Belgium, at the instigation of Winston Churchill and only after half the cabinet resigned in protest. Nobody resigned in protest in Germany. My four great grandfathers fought in WWI and did the retreat over Albania.
    I understand that people are p*ss*d off by Zionist policies, and would like to pin the blame on Jews for the extinction of the dinosaurs, and paint the Germans white because the world wars have resulted in a less than rightful and pleasant world order. I realised how nefarious Zionism was during the 1990s and the war in the former Yugoslavia. Most of the propaganda against Serbs was done by Jews as it is today against Russia. Actually the same folks who concocted the war in Iraq, concocted before that the war on Serbs and are cooking now the war against Russia. But no, Germans are not innocent doves. Had they won, the world would have been no better. In fact, liberated France did great until de Gaulle was toppled.
    That said, I feel no hate for Germans, on the contrary, I appreciate their great contribution to European culture and I love to listen to Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, as much as to Dvorjak, Tchaikovsky or Rachmaninov. Granted my knowledge is only partial but History is History and I don't look at it through an ideological glass.
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  • @polskijoe
    what the hell does your comment even mean?

    I said I respect him. But he was not an expert on the numbers.

    Soviet archives were realesed but partly...

    Look at the demographics, its impossible 60 million lost their lives.

    Are you gonna babble too much Adolf crap? who allied with Zionists?
    looks like you are the Jewess.

    FACT IS that a large number (and most) historians have lower estimates for Stalin murders.

    Do some research instead of depending on one or two estimates.

    This is what you wrote about Solzhenitsyn documentary “Two Hundred Years Together:” “The figures are a complete lie. I dont fall for low iq nonsense. … he was not an expert on the numbers.”
    – For a high-IQ-minded person like “polskijoe,” the grammar could be better. And what are your numbers? What kind of expertise do you have, which allows you to smear Solzhenitsyn as if he was not smeared already by an army of Israel-firsters?
    Here was my post: “Have you personally had an access to the Soviet archives? Or you believe that since the facts (FACTS, documented facts) are inconvenient for the Jews it is Ok to sequester a book/documentary created by a Noble Prize Laureate in Literature. Who are you to bad-mouth Solzhenitsyn who stood up courageously to the Soviet regime when people like you were opportunistically submissive? Guess, the innocence of your mind does not allow you to take a look at Solzhenitsyn book: https://www.sott.net/article/271904-Solzhenitsyn-Banned-all-over-again http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/most-banned-book-in-the-world-200-years-together-aleksandr-solzhenitsyn/
    – Again, who are you to smear the courageous free thinker? What is so hard for you accept in Solzhenitsyn book “Two Hundred Years Together?” According to Wikipedia, the book is “a comprehensive history of Jews in the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, and modern Russia between the years 1795 and 1995…” The book has been sequestered by all publishing houses in the UK and US. Guess, the publishers believe, like you, that “The figures are a complete lie. I dont fall for low iq nonsense. … he was not an expert on the numbers.”

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    Apparently you are dealing with Stalin's orphan. I did not know that they have them in Poland but here you can encounter them at Saker and Israel Shamir blogs.
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  • @Max Denken
    You don't get it, boyo,

    By mixing your crazy shit into legitimate, truthful criticism of Jewish influence, acts and utterances, you are poisoning the whole kettle of soup. You are doing for it what the "Jews won't replace us" crowd did for the white cause in Charlottesville. You could not be more effective if you were a Black Ops unit of ZOA or ADL-- and perhaps that's what you are.

    Go elsewhere, Nazi or false flag Nazi scum. It's a free country, you can wear svastika armbands, you can hold your own demonstrations, but don't sabotage it for the rest of us.

    “don’t sabotage it for the rest of us.”

    As in the Fed? WWI and II? The USS Liberty? 9/11? GWOT? WMD? That kind of sabotage?

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    No problem, just don't lie and conduct the discussion in the appropriate forum. USS Liberty, AIPAC, Jewish Neocons etc --plenty of meat there. Jews in the commie repression apparatus in Eastern Europe, ditto. Jews as primary movers in the immigration-inclusiveness racket -- yes, good stuff, discuss; but why cram it here when the essay deals with a different subject.

    And then:

    Fed -- total lie; there was one single Jew among the founders, and the main motor was JP Morgan, hardly one of the chosen. WWI has nothing to do with da jooz, and WWII is only about them as victims--yes even the kapos and Judenrat were victims. So if you wipe the blinding foam of unrestrained joo-hate off your face, and deal with the issue rationally, judiciously, without an overwhelming confirmation bias, first, you'll be closer to the truth, which is important per se, and two, you'll be much more convincing in your attempt to open people's eyes to negative Jewish influences and actions.

    Plus, there is the chicken -egg thing and the stupid "Christ-killers" thing, Christ having been a Jew by the name of Yoshua and called Rabbi by his (Jewish) acolytes and apostles (it's in the NT, you don't have to believe me), and the Christian church, for its first 50 years of existence, having been exclusively Jewish. You have to look at the matter with an attempt at dispassionate objectivity, the way an academic of integrity does -- then you'll be much more convincing.
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  • @Proud Israeli Jew
    No, I am not suggesting that Israelis want to go back to Poland. I am just explaining why Israelis particularly dislike Poles.

    What is this "Zionist project" you talk about ?
    You seem to be living in a parallel universe. There are almost 7 million Israeli Jews and with the high birth rate of 3.1 kids per family, there will be 10 million in a generation from now. After a while, a project reaches a certian state of reality and stops being a "project".

    A generation from now, they will be Jewish Palestinians. (The ones that stick around, that is.)

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  • @Proud Israeli Jew
    No, I am not suggesting that Israelis want to go back to Poland. I am just explaining why Israelis particularly dislike Poles.

    What is this "Zionist project" you talk about ?
    You seem to be living in a parallel universe. There are almost 7 million Israeli Jews and with the high birth rate of 3.1 kids per family, there will be 10 million in a generation from now. After a while, a project reaches a certian state of reality and stops being a "project".

    Nobody missed them there. In regard why do they hate? One reason because the Poles know more about them than anybody else and wittnessed their conduct at it lowest during the war. – Would you like somebody that witnessed a rape on your daughter or wife and you doing nothing try to be respected and trust worthy person or ridicule and portray him as BS peddler?

    Judenrat and their goons were known for running brothels, 5 star hotels, restaurants, pubs and cabarets in ghetto while their woman and children were dying from cold and hunger on the streets, they’re known for extorting gold and jewelry for a slice of bread or potato from their starving brothers and sisters. Judenrat brass and it’s goons was known for raping 12 year old girls and boys and for corruption on scale unknown in modern world. Poles witnessed , abhored them as humans and talk to much.

    Read uncensored “Notes from the Warsaw Ghetto” by Ringelblum, not the one in Yad Vashem

    How many times did you hear or read about Warsaw ghetto uprising ‘heroes’? Here’s a real account – A lousy google translation but an eye opening.

    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=https://www.maurizioblondet.it/faurisson-sulla-insurrezione-del-ghetto-varsavia/&prev=search

    The chase concenration camps clerks and janitors in their 90′s but ignore their own basatrds.

    “Gancwajch and surviving members of the group later re-emerged posing as Jewish underground fighters, though in reality they were hunting for Poles hiding the Jews”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_13

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_K%C3%BCbler

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    Snag:
    Are you suferring from distrurbed thought processes ?
    That is a form of schizophrenia when you talk about one thing and then jump to another topic which is virtually unrelated to the first.
    You need to go and see a Neurologist about it.
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  • @Max Denken
    The last time I checked, the boss of Amazon.com was not one of them Zionists. Amazon just did what I've tried and failed to do here: get rid of the fruitcakes, the redundant noise.

    Still, you have Arktos for publishing and Daily Stormer, VNN, codoh and other such for debate. Why try to stir things up here? It won't work, you are just a bunch of black helicopters nutters arguing with a kin bunch of blue-and-white helicopters nutters. You can do it here, since there is no technical means to prevent you, but it would be much more dignified for you if you moved to a platform where people can't actually read you and guffaw.

    It would be very interesting to speculate on why amazon pulled these books when they did, since they’ve sold them for years without any apparent qualms. But it’s irrelevant here. You apparently need to be reminded again that this isn’t your website, it’s Ron Unz’s (who deserves great praise for his commitment to free debate on hot-button topics). Why don’t YOU take your own advice and start your own blog where you are free to control who contributes and who doesn’t. At a minimum, why don’t you ask Ron to kick out all the Holocaust skeptics, see what he says. Please keep us informed.

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  • @L.K
    Change your handle to polskiTroll already, since that is all you are, really, a pathetic little chauvinist troll and a sad little LIAR.

    The war between Germany and Poland was NOT a case of naked German aggression, as you must know, right polskiTroll? I mean, even a lying, chauvinist pig like you, cannot pretend not to know about all the German land stolen at the end of WW1 and given to a recently created Poland, a country created after WW1 with totally inappropriate and unsustainable borders?
    Today, Poland sits on much stolen German lands.

    Had the stupid Polish junta accepted the fair German proposal for a return of the German Danzig corridor so the country could be reconnected to its East Prussia province, war could have been avoided. Instead, Poland went on to become WW2 useful Idiot. At the end of the war, it became a Soviet satellite for decades.
    Let's take a look at what some prominent figures from the winning side in WW1 had to say about those things:

    Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister, during the Paris negotiations:
    “I tell you once more, we would never have thought of giving to Poland a province that had not been Polish for the last 900 years…
    The proposal of the Polish Commission that we should place 2,100,000 Germans under the control of a people which is of a different religion and which has never proved its capacity for stable self-government throughout its history, must, in my judgment, lead sooner or later to a new war in the East of Europe...” 11)


    “France is not so much concerned with what is important to Poland, rather the French position is determined solely by the aim of weakening Germany.”12)

    “To surround Germany with small states, many of which are composed of peoples that have never governed themselves and that comprise large numbers of Germans who are demanding reunion with their homeland, such plans would be, it seems to me, a breeding ground for the most terrible reason for a future war.” 13)

    “... I knew that a time would come when Germany would respond to the cry of its exiled people and restore them to the Fatherland by force of arms.
    For that reason I renewed my pressure in the conference to reject the recommendations which incorporated in Poland towns and territories which were overwhelmingly German by language, race and inclination...” 14)
     

    listen you Square Head, nazi larper.

    German invaders stole Polish land. Murder millions of Poles. Destroyed and leveled tons of cities.

    Even Berlin was created by Slavic tribes.

    Gdansk created by Polish people.

    As were many of those cities you think are German.

    Polands current lands were created by Stalin. Poles had little choice.

    Hitlers offers were all crap. He was a lunatic mass murder.

    Nazi Germany lost. Deal with it.

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  • @Max Denken
    Neither you nor I were actual inmates in Treblinka nor are experts in the subject. You want to argue that Treblinka is a myth, argue with its survivors or the experts who wrote the books. Start with this book; others are at the bottom of the page:

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/0451625668/ref=rdr_ext_tmb

    Grossman alone is an author of world stature, considered among the finest. I guarantee that if you write a book challenging his account -- credibly -- you will gain world stature, too.

    And here is a little film; I believe that no Zionists were involved in its production:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-G6kfz-d7o

    What is claimed to have happened in these camps has no basis in evidentiary fact. My presence or absence there has absolutely no bearing on this, nor do blatant emotional manipulations like survivor accounts.

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  • @annamaria
    "Solhentsyn (who I respect) had no clue about the numbers though. The figures are a complete lie. I dont fall for low iq nonsense."
    - Have you personally had an access to the Soviet archives? Or you believe that since the facts (FACTS, documented facts) are inconvenient for the Jews it is Ok to sequester a book/documentary created by a Noble Prize Laureate in Literature. Who are you to bad-mouth Solzhenitsyn who stood up courageously to the Soviet regime when people like you were opportunistically submissive? Guess, the innocence of your mind does not allow you to take a look at Solzhenitsyn book: https://www.sott.net/article/271904-Solzhenitsyn-Banned-all-over-again http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/most-banned-book-in-the-world-200-years-together-aleksandr-solzhenitsyn/
    --- Too much against what your rabbi preaches on Saturdays, polskijoe?

    what the hell does your comment even mean?

    I said I respect him. But he was not an expert on the numbers.

    Soviet archives were realesed but partly…

    Look at the demographics, its impossible 60 million lost their lives.

    Are you gonna babble too much Adolf crap? who allied with Zionists?
    looks like you are the Jewess.

    FACT IS that a large number (and most) historians have lower estimates for Stalin murders.

    Do some research instead of depending on one or two estimates.

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    This is what you wrote about Solzhenitsyn documentary "Two Hundred Years Together:" "The figures are a complete lie. I dont fall for low iq nonsense. ... he was not an expert on the numbers."
    -- For a high-IQ-minded person like "polskijoe," the grammar could be better. And what are your numbers? What kind of expertise do you have, which allows you to smear Solzhenitsyn as if he was not smeared already by an army of Israel-firsters?
    Here was my post: "Have you personally had an access to the Soviet archives? Or you believe that since the facts (FACTS, documented facts) are inconvenient for the Jews it is Ok to sequester a book/documentary created by a Noble Prize Laureate in Literature. Who are you to bad-mouth Solzhenitsyn who stood up courageously to the Soviet regime when people like you were opportunistically submissive? Guess, the innocence of your mind does not allow you to take a look at Solzhenitsyn book: https://www.sott.net/article/271904-Solzhenitsyn-Banned-all-over-again http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/most-banned-book-in-the-world-200-years-together-aleksandr-solzhenitsyn/
    -- Again, who are you to smear the courageous free thinker? What is so hard for you accept in Solzhenitsyn book "Two Hundred Years Together?" According to Wikipedia, the book is "a comprehensive history of Jews in the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, and modern Russia between the years 1795 and 1995..." The book has been sequestered by all publishing houses in the UK and US. Guess, the publishers believe, like you, that "The figures are a complete lie. I dont fall for low iq nonsense. ... he was not an expert on the numbers."
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  • @Proud Israeli Jew
    Art:

    Yes, you are right.
    We should just solve the "Arab" problem in a Polish manner.

    We should just solve the “Arab” problem in a Polish manner.

    You desire to eliminate all things Palestinian – is noted!

    We will think PEACE — as you prescribe death.

    Art

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  • @utu
    Say we have a very complex AI net with billions and billion of nods that can process many inputs but for some reason always produces the same output. On functional level this complex AI net can be replaced with the simplest possible automaton that disregards inputs and always produces the same output: "Yep, another hoax, another false flag."

    The complex AI net if it had feedbacks and developed an ability to be self-reflective it possibly could go to meta thinking level and try to figure out why it always comes up with the sam output. And perhaps it would try to reevaluate it processing whether there is some inherent bias or whether it is being fooled by inputs. That there might be some structural problem in its net.

    But you do not do that. You are like a single nod automaton that always produces one output: "Yep, another hoax, another false flag" and you accept it without looking inward.

    Why would anybody engage in discussion with AI net that functionally is equivalent to single nod automaton that produces only one output: Yep, another hoax, another false flag."

    Can you fix the machine?

    As far as Holocaust, you can check my #540 comment.

    the simplest possible automaton that disregards inputs and always produces the same output: “Yep, another hoax, another false flag.”

    Well, okay, fine. Let’s say that we have a simple automaton like that always says that.

    Then we have a competing simple automaton that always says: “Yep, the official narrative from the government and MSM, that’s exactly what happened.”

    So now we have two competing automatons. In your personal opinion, which of the two automatons is going to be right more often?

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  • @jacques sheete

    The Polish pogroms were caused by Polish Catholic Greed.

     

    Citation please.

    Now tell us about the Nakba and the ongoing gratuitous sadistic abominations of the Zionuts against the Palestinians.

    Yeah, yeah, we know...Youse guys are da viktumz. Uh-huh.

    Well, Nakba means disaster in Arabic.
    And it was a disaster for the Arabs – they lost the war and Israel survived.
    Only 21 Arab states in the World, from Morocco in Atlantic to Oman in the Indian.
    Poor Arabs have not enough space !

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  • @utu

    Post-war pogroms are the main reason why modern Israelis really hate the Poles.
     
    Are you saying that Israelis would like to go back to Poland? That Israelis do not see the cause and effect link in Israel creation? That if all Europeans Jews after WWII were welcomed and made to feel at home by Europeans (including Poles) there would be no Israel? Do you feel like aborted fetus who somehow survived who still wants to be loved by his mothers? Or you would like to just kill her?

    You can't pretend to play only one side while forgetting that it takes two to tango. Zionism was the political movement very welcomed by anti-Semites and people who wanted to have their countries w/o Jews who hoped that Jews will emigrate from their countries. The greatest enemy the Zionists feared was the lack of anti-Semitism. Poland's pre WWII regime was organizing training for Irgun and other Zionist organization, for the same reason Mussolini was helping Zhabotinsky and also Nazis had fairly amicable relations with Zionists in the beginning and signed the Transfer Agreement and had Eichmann coming and visiting Palestine.

    Are you Israelis just a bunch of resentful pricks who hate Europeans for being kicked out of Europe? With this attitude your Zionist project is destined to fail. Sooner or later you all will be back in Europe but this time with much bigger chip on your shoulder than ever before. Have you read "Operation Shylock" by Phillip Roth?

    No, I am not suggesting that Israelis want to go back to Poland. I am just explaining why Israelis particularly dislike Poles.

    What is this “Zionist project” you talk about ?
    You seem to be living in a parallel universe. There are almost 7 million Israeli Jews and with the high birth rate of 3.1 kids per family, there will be 10 million in a generation from now. After a while, a project reaches a certian state of reality and stops being a “project”.

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    Nobody missed them there. In regard why do they hate? One reason because the Poles know more about them than anybody else and wittnessed their conduct at it lowest during the war. - Would you like somebody that witnessed a rape on your daughter or wife and you doing nothing try to be respected and trust worthy person or ridicule and portray him as BS peddler?

    Judenrat and their goons were known for running brothels, 5 star hotels, restaurants, pubs and cabarets in ghetto while their woman and children were dying from cold and hunger on the streets, they're known for extorting gold and jewelry for a slice of bread or potato from their starving brothers and sisters. Judenrat brass and it's goons was known for raping 12 year old girls and boys and for corruption on scale unknown in modern world. Poles witnessed , abhored them as humans and talk to much.

    Read uncensored "Notes from the Warsaw Ghetto" by Ringelblum, not the one in Yad Vashem

    How many times did you hear or read about Warsaw ghetto uprising 'heroes'? Here's a real account - A lousy google translation but an eye opening.

    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=https://www.maurizioblondet.it/faurisson-sulla-insurrezione-del-ghetto-varsavia/&prev=search

    The chase concenration camps clerks and janitors in their 90's but ignore their own basatrds.

    "Gancwajch and surviving members of the group later re-emerged posing as Jewish underground fighters, though in reality they were hunting for Poles hiding the Jews"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_13

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_K%C3%BCbler
    , @RobinG
    A generation from now, they will be Jewish Palestinians. (The ones that stick around, that is.)
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  • @Art
    The Polish pogroms were caused by Polish Catholic Greed.

    Hey Jew - lets discuss the pogroms you fascists in Israel are doing to the Palestinians.

    Especially the Palestinian children – how many do you have detained – how many did you torture last night?

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. You – a Jew – calling Polish Catholics GREEDY – Really!

    Art:

    Yes, you are right.
    We should just solve the “Arab” problem in a Polish manner.

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    We should just solve the “Arab” problem in a Polish manner.

    You desire to eliminate all things Palestinian - is noted!

    We will think PEACE --- as you prescribe death.

    Art
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  • You don’t get it, boyo,

    By mixing your crazy shit into legitimate, truthful criticism of Jewish influence, acts and utterances, you are poisoning the whole kettle of soup. You are doing for it what the “Jews won’t replace us” crowd did for the white cause in Charlottesville. You could not be more effective if you were a Black Ops unit of ZOA or ADL– and perhaps that’s what you are.

    Go elsewhere, Nazi or false flag Nazi scum. It’s a free country, you can wear svastika armbands, you can hold your own demonstrations, but don’t sabotage it for the rest of us.

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    "don’t sabotage it for the rest of us."

    As in the Fed? WWI and II? The USS Liberty? 9/11? GWOT? WMD? That kind of sabotage?

    , @Jonathan Revusky

    Go elsewhere, Nazi or false flag Nazi scum.
     
    You know, for a while in all of this, I was feeling a bit sorry for you. After all, I believed the conventional "Good War" version of WW2 for most of my life as well.

    But, look, your behavior here is increasingly sordid. Now, you are down to the level of screaming that everybody who disagrees with you is self-evidently a Nazi. This is just typical tiresome fallacious nonsense. One can deconstruct it pretty easily as follows:

    Somebody says: "Jeffrey Dahmer killed like a thousand people, Dude."

    You reply: "No, that's ridiculous. Jeffrey Dahmer killed a dozen people, maybe two dozen tops."

    (In fact, I just looked it up and the official number is 17.)

    The person now replies: "You sick fuck, supporting the likes of Jeffrey Dahmer!"

    If the claim is that the Hitler regime systematically murdered something like 11 million people (6 million Jews and 5 million "others") and you reply: "No, that is a massive exaggeration." Does this mean that you are a supporter of the Nazi regime? Regardless, the year is 2018! What would that really even mean in practice?

    I've heard the claim that Stalin killed 30 million people. I'm pretty sure that's an exaggeration too. I suspect that the regime killed a lot of folks, but probably a tenth of that figure.

    Does that make me a Stalinist?

    You're engaging in this kind of mentally squalid sort of stuff. And this idea that whatever story is true because all the academic historians proclaim their belief in it. Well, obviously they do, when it's a crime punishable by prison and so forth to say you don't believe it!

    It has as much validity as pointing to a confession that was extracted via torture. Granted, somebody could confess to a crime under torture and he's actually guilty of said crime. That's possible, but the confession doesn't mean anything. I would confess to anything under torture. Anybody would.

    You're engaging in such a sleazy, squalid, contemptible kind of discourse. It's really disgraceful.
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  • @jilles dykstra
    Of course.
    And you are proud of Israel, a country that behaves far worse than the British empire during the Boer War, at the end of the colonial era, when there also were concentration camps.
    These camps existed for maybe a few years, concentration camp Gaza now exists for decades.
    Some people died in the Boer War camps, but these camps were never bombed.
    Jews are supposed to be more than average intelligent, alas they also are more than average self delusional.
    You do not even see that the present USA situation resembles the Weimar Republic situation.
    What happened in Germany later may quite well be repeated in the USA soon.
    Little Israel will be of little help, it can of course decide to execute the Samsom option.
    The final suicide of all jews.

    Gaza is 150 square mles.
    That’s one big concentration camp !!
    A concentration camp with a border with Egypt.

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  • @Max Denken
    The last time I checked, the boss of Amazon.com was not one of them Zionists. Amazon just did what I've tried and failed to do here: get rid of the fruitcakes, the redundant noise.

    Still, you have Arktos for publishing and Daily Stormer, VNN, codoh and other such for debate. Why try to stir things up here? It won't work, you are just a bunch of black helicopters nutters arguing with a kin bunch of blue-and-white helicopters nutters. You can do it here, since there is no technical means to prevent you, but it would be much more dignified for you if you moved to a platform where people can't actually read you and guffaw.

    Ah…..still here I see. You love it don’t you.

    I’m going to have to add sadomasochistic to your personality profile.

    You should find some less public solution for your abnormal urges.

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  • The last time I checked, the boss of Amazon.com was not one of them Zionists. Amazon just did what I’ve tried and failed to do here: get rid of the fruitcakes, the redundant noise.

    Still, you have Arktos for publishing and Daily Stormer, VNN, codoh and other such for debate. Why try to stir things up here? It won’t work, you are just a bunch of black helicopters nutters arguing with a kin bunch of blue-and-white helicopters nutters. You can do it here, since there is no technical means to prevent you, but it would be much more dignified for you if you moved to a platform where people can’t actually read you and guffaw.

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    Ah.....still here I see. You love it don't you.

    I'm going to have to add sadomasochistic to your personality profile.

    You should find some less public solution for your abnormal urges.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    It would be very interesting to speculate on why amazon pulled these books when they did, since they’ve sold them for years without any apparent qualms. But it’s irrelevant here. You apparently need to be reminded again that this isn’t your website, it’s Ron Unz’s (who deserves great praise for his commitment to free debate on hot-button topics). Why don’t YOU take your own advice and start your own blog where you are free to control who contributes and who doesn’t. At a minimum, why don’t you ask Ron to kick out all the Holocaust skeptics, see what he says. Please keep us informed.
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  • @Max Denken
    A short, interesting presentation, particularly for those whose only French word they know is Faurisson:

    https://twitter.com/brutofficiel/status/974366452319948800

    Here is one you Jews murdered in revenge. Jews all over the world claimed her death was justified because she was stupid. Sad!

    https://i2.wp.com/www.middleeastmonitor.com/wp-content/uploads/images/article_images/people/rachel-corrie.jpg?w=1200&quality=75&strip=all&ssl=1

    Fifteen years ago Friday, 23-year-old American peace activist Rachel Corrie was killed by an Israeli bulldozer that was preparing to demolish a Palestinian home in the Gaza Strip.
    Corrie has since become an icon of global solidarity with the people of Palestine.
    Born on 10 April 1979 in Olympia, Washington, Corrie dedicated her life to defending Palestinian rights. In 2003, she went to the Gaza Strip as a member of the International Solidarity Movement.
    She was known for her love of peace and for defending Palestinian rights, frequently broadcasting photo essays exposing Israeli rights violations in the occupied territories.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180316-rachel-corrie-remembered-15-years-on/

    She is remembered!

    Think peace — Art

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  • In their book about Treblinka, revisionists Mattogno and Graf write re the charlatan J.F. Steiner, whose fairy tale book the ignorant Max Denken linked to as a great example of Treblinka literature:

    Even one hundred percent loyal advocates of the orthodox ‘Holocaust’ image have grasped that this sort of statement undermines the credibility of their position. Thus fourteen years later, the French Jew Pierre Vidal-Naquet, who in the beginning had expressed his “admiration” for Steiner’s book,[49] suddenly spoke of “sub-literature” appealing to sadism and admitted that he had “walked into the snare set by J.-F. Steiner.”[50] Another French critic, Didier Daeningckx, devastatingly described Steiner’s book as “a false novel, which is presented as true” and which makes use of the “technique of parallel montage.”[51]

    Re atrocity propagandist Grossman, after reproducing excerpts from his ridiculous text, Mattogno/Graf write:

    In his edifying report Grossmann writes that there were three methods of mass killing: gassing, scalding with hot steam, and suffocation by evacuation of the death chamber by means of vacuum pumps. We shall return to this theme in the following chapter. In any case, the second as well as the third murder method very soon took their leave from history; only the gas chambers have remained. The number of Treblinka victims, postulated several times by Grossmann as three million, was also dropped at that time as being obviously all too incredible, and in the publications that followed writers contented themselves with significantly lower numbers of victims.

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  • @Max Denken
    Neither you nor I were actual inmates in Treblinka nor are experts in the subject. You want to argue that Treblinka is a myth, argue with its survivors or the experts who wrote the books. Start with this book; others are at the bottom of the page:

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/0451625668/ref=rdr_ext_tmb

    Grossman alone is an author of world stature, considered among the finest. I guarantee that if you write a book challenging his account -- credibly -- you will gain world stature, too.

    And here is a little film; I believe that no Zionists were involved in its production:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-G6kfz-d7o

    M.Denken: “…Grossman alone is an author of world stature, considered among the finest…”

    pfffFFFHABUHAHAHHAHAHA

    This keeps getting better and better, keep it coming max, you really are good for a laugh!

    Vasily Grossman of all people!! This Soviet Jew atrocity propagandist is generally avoided like the plague by the so called “respectable” holohoax historians… and for good reason, as his book is pure and obvious black propaganda.

    You see, the difference between you and Beefcake, is that, for one thing, Beefcake has obviously studied the subject in depth, while you obviously never did. You barely know the official story, let alone the revisionist work, which you have never read. That’s how you come up with Karski and , gasp, even Grossman!

    For your information, fool, the revisionist historians have addressed all of the main holohoax historians and their “arguments”, and destroyed them. This includes even the pathetic atrocity propagandists like Grossman, the charlatan Jean-Francois Steiner, as well as big names in your amazon list, like Arad.

    The revisionist historians Carlo Mattogno and Jürgen Graf, have written a book(Treblinka—Extermination Camp or Transit Camp?) specifically about Treblinka, which even reproduces many passages from several of the books you refer to. I cannot link to Amazon because, you see, organized Jewry put so much pressure on it that Amazon gave in and took the entire revisionist catalog down.
    Somebody is very afraid of revisionist research , eh max? So much so that it must be hidden from the public eye.
    Check it out at http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=8

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  • @Max Denken
    A short, interesting presentation, particularly for those whose only French word they know is Faurisson:

    https://twitter.com/brutofficiel/status/974366452319948800

    Would in not be better to talk about the Palestinian children tortured last night in Israeli prisons?

    Would that not be the humanitarian thing to do?

    Why does your picture justify what happened last night?

    Think Peace — Art

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    I saw this just the other day, with the breathless headline about how colorizing pictures enhances the “horror of the Holocaust”. (Usually you see these things before some new Israeli atrocity.) It’s already been granted that there was real human suffering during the war, and that the Germans bear some (but not all) responsibly for it. Can you explain it’s bearing on the believability of what happened at places like Treblinka?

    The clown does not have anything, so he has to resort to using these cheap emotional gimmicks.

    But what to expect from an individual who thinks J. Karski is some sort of credible source for his holohoax fantasies??

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    I saw this just the other day, with the breathless headline about how colorizing pictures enhances the “horror of the Holocaust”. (Usually you see these things before some new Israeli atrocity.) It’s already been granted that there was real human suffering during the war, and that the Germans bear some (but not all) responsibly for it. Can you explain it’s bearing on the believability of what happened at places like Treblinka?

    Neither you nor I were actual inmates in Treblinka nor are experts in the subject. You want to argue that Treblinka is a myth, argue with its survivors or the experts who wrote the books. Start with this book; others are at the bottom of the page:

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/0451625668/ref=rdr_ext_tmb

    Grossman alone is an author of world stature, considered among the finest. I guarantee that if you write a book challenging his account — credibly — you will gain world stature, too.

    And here is a little film; I believe that no Zionists were involved in its production:

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    M.Denken: "...Grossman alone is an author of world stature, considered among the finest..."

    pfffFFFHABUHAHAHHAHAHA

    This keeps getting better and better, keep it coming max, you really are good for a laugh!

    Vasily Grossman of all people!! This Soviet Jew atrocity propagandist is generally avoided like the plague by the so called "respectable" holohoax historians... and for good reason, as his book is pure and obvious black propaganda.

    You see, the difference between you and Beefcake, is that, for one thing, Beefcake has obviously studied the subject in depth, while you obviously never did. You barely know the official story, let alone the revisionist work, which you have never read. That's how you come up with Karski and , gasp, even Grossman!

    For your information, fool, the revisionist historians have addressed all of the main holohoax historians and their "arguments", and destroyed them. This includes even the pathetic atrocity propagandists like Grossman, the charlatan Jean-Francois Steiner, as well as big names in your amazon list, like Arad.

    The revisionist historians Carlo Mattogno and Jürgen Graf, have written a book(Treblinka—Extermination Camp or Transit Camp?) specifically about Treblinka, which even reproduces many passages from several of the books you refer to. I cannot link to Amazon because, you see, organized Jewry put so much pressure on it that Amazon gave in and took the entire revisionist catalog down.
    Somebody is very afraid of revisionist research , eh max? So much so that it must be hidden from the public eye.
    Check it out at http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=8
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    What is claimed to have happened in these camps has no basis in evidentiary fact. My presence or absence there has absolutely no bearing on this, nor do blatant emotional manipulations like survivor accounts.
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  • @utu
    Say we have a very complex AI net with billions and billion of nods that can process many inputs but for some reason always produces the same output. On functional level this complex AI net can be replaced with the simplest possible automaton that disregards inputs and always produces the same output: "Yep, another hoax, another false flag."

    The complex AI net if it had feedbacks and developed an ability to be self-reflective it possibly could go to meta thinking level and try to figure out why it always comes up with the sam output. And perhaps it would try to reevaluate it processing whether there is some inherent bias or whether it is being fooled by inputs. That there might be some structural problem in its net.

    But you do not do that. You are like a single nod automaton that always produces one output: "Yep, another hoax, another false flag" and you accept it without looking inward.

    Why would anybody engage in discussion with AI net that functionally is equivalent to single nod automaton that produces only one output: Yep, another hoax, another false flag."

    Can you fix the machine?

    As far as Holocaust, you can check my #540 comment.

    Impressive, your comments are getting progressively stupider. On the subject of AI, you’re starting to sound like Hal as he’s deprogrammed.

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  • @utu
    Say we have a very complex AI net with billions and billion of nods that can process many inputs but for some reason always produces the same output. On functional level this complex AI net can be replaced with the simplest possible automaton that disregards inputs and always produces the same output: "Yep, another hoax, another false flag."

    The complex AI net if it had feedbacks and developed an ability to be self-reflective it possibly could go to meta thinking level and try to figure out why it always comes up with the sam output. And perhaps it would try to reevaluate it processing whether there is some inherent bias or whether it is being fooled by inputs. That there might be some structural problem in its net.

    But you do not do that. You are like a single nod automaton that always produces one output: "Yep, another hoax, another false flag" and you accept it without looking inward.

    Why would anybody engage in discussion with AI net that functionally is equivalent to single nod automaton that produces only one output: Yep, another hoax, another false flag."

    Can you fix the machine?

    As far as Holocaust, you can check my #540 comment.

    utu, the self-admitted liar: ‘Say we have a very complex AI net with billions, bla, bla, bla…”

    Yawwnnnn, you are a slipping pill.

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    Revusky searched through whole YT for the proofs of a single real terror attack and found them all to be hoaxes and false flags
     
    Well, the above is really a distortion of things, but finally, I won't even bother to dispute it much. Okay, fine, there is some core of truth to what you say.

    Basically, when one of these dubious events goes down, at this point in time, my approach is to assume that it is a hoax or false flag until proven otherwise.

    Fine, that is probably a fair characterization.

    Now, I would ask you this first of all: why is my approach inherently crazy as compared to the approach of most of the contributors on this site, which is simply to assume that the authorities are always telling the truth about these things? Not only is that their baseline assumption, that all of these stories are true, but, as far as I can tell, certainly the main ethno-racialist sorts of writers here (I won't name names, but...) never make the slightest attempt to verify whether any of these stories are true.

    So, if they are presented with some story, like somebody self-radicalized on the Internet and decided to shoot a bunch of little kids in a school... or a bunch of homos in a gay bar... or a bunch of sweet little old ladies in a black church... --- they just run with it. They treat whatever story as an established fact.

    Why would their approach, i.e. just assuming that all these narratives are true, be more serious and correct than my approach of simply assuming that these events are fake until proven otherwise?

    You really would need to explain this because, frankly, to me, it seems pretty obvious that it is my approach that makes a lot more sense, certainly at this juncture. We really are at a stage of history where a reasonably informed person would tend to approach these things with an extremely high degree of skepticism -- as opposed to always believing them!

    So, do answer me that: why is my basic approach to these questions wrong? Why is it preferable to always assume that these things are true?

    That is a general question. I would now ask the more specific question, which is this:

    Could you outline the cases you are aware of in which my basic approach to these questions has led me to error? In which specific case have I said that something is a synthetic event that you are sure really happened as the MSM describes?

    Name the specific case or cases please.


    CRISIS ACTORS, CRISIS ACTORS
     
    Well, I'm not the only person who thinks that the presence of crisis actors is dead giveaway. Do you have some innocent explanation for why, when these things go down, they always seem to coincide with the running of a drill of some sort?

    As best I can figure, the reason for the drill is that they provide a cover for recruiting the crisis actors and generally, setting up a lot of the mise en scene of the synthetic event.

    But if you have some sort of alternative, innocent explanation of this, again, I am all ears.

    Go ahead, explain it all to me... Surely, you're not going to pass up this wonderful opportunity to school me, are you now?

    Say we have a very complex AI net with billions and billion of nods that can process many inputs but for some reason always produces the same output. On functional level this complex AI net can be replaced with the simplest possible automaton that disregards inputs and always produces the same output: “Yep, another hoax, another false flag.”

    The complex AI net if it had feedbacks and developed an ability to be self-reflective it possibly could go to meta thinking level and try to figure out why it always comes up with the sam output. And perhaps it would try to reevaluate it processing whether there is some inherent bias or whether it is being fooled by inputs. That there might be some structural problem in its net.

    But you do not do that. You are like a single nod automaton that always produces one output: “Yep, another hoax, another false flag” and you accept it without looking inward.

    Why would anybody engage in discussion with AI net that functionally is equivalent to single nod automaton that produces only one output: Yep, another hoax, another false flag.”

    Can you fix the machine?

    As far as Holocaust, you can check my #540 comment.

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    utu, the self-admitted liar: 'Say we have a very complex AI net with billions, bla, bla, bla..."

    Yawwnnnn, you are a slipping pill.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Impressive, your comments are getting progressively stupider. On the subject of AI, you’re starting to sound like Hal as he’s deprogrammed.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    the simplest possible automaton that disregards inputs and always produces the same output: “Yep, another hoax, another false flag.”
     
    Well, okay, fine. Let's say that we have a simple automaton like that always says that.

    Then we have a competing simple automaton that always says: "Yep, the official narrative from the government and MSM, that's exactly what happened."

    So now we have two competing automatons. In your personal opinion, which of the two automatons is going to be right more often?
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  • @Max Denken
    What might be added to this is the Gleiwitz Provocation, thought up by the same Reinhard Heydrich, head of the Gestapo and SD, who would become, first, the implementer of the Final Solution, and second, the cruel oppressor of Czechoslovakia, assassinated by the Czech underground.

    This was an attack by a small German special ops unit on the German radio station in the mixed-ethnicity Polish -German city of Gleiwitz (Gliwice), then under German rule, on August 31, 20:00. Utilized by Hitler as proof of a "Polish provocation," this triggered his attack just some hours later. Hitler's propaganda machine had also claimed several such fictitious Polish attacks on German territory, asserting the participation of not only "Polish insurgents" but regular Polish Army armor units.

    Max, thats all “fake and no proof”. Hitler was “good” guy.
    All Zionist propaganda.

    codoh.com
    ;)

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  • @Carlton Meyer
    There are other historical complications, mentioned in my blog:

    Jun 6, 2016 - Appeasing Poland

    We all know the evil Nazi’s invaded Czechoslovakia, but no one mentions that Poland grabbed a chunk first. After a threatening ultimatum from Warsaw on September 27, 1938, Czechoslovakia ceded to Poland the district of Tesin (Teschen) an area of some 625 square miles with a population of 230,000 people.

    And when Germany and the Soviet Union invaded Poland a year later, why didn’t the British and French declare war on the Soviet Union too? History is far more complex and interesting than the boring comic books we read in American educational institutions.

    You see, the problem with your view is that Czechoslovakia took this land illegally in 1920, so you need to read more about our history before making such statements.

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  • @Mulegino1
    There is no greater example of "confirmation bias" than in the official narrative of the "Big-H", which is always in search of evidence that fits, and never admitting that the narrative must fit the evidence and the parameters of physical and logistical possibility.

    73 years after the end of the Second World War, the believers in this narrative cannot agree upon a murder weapon or manner of execution of the alleged "more than 4 million victims." First it was ovens, then it was steam chambers, electrified floors, pedal driven brain bashing machines, execution by tree felling, atomic bombs, delayed reaction gas, diesel exhaust, then gas coming through the shower heads (how this is done when the gas is lighter than air is beyond me), and finally, chambers using pesticide pellets and mass shootings on the Eastern Front.

    They have constantly changed the venue of the alleged "industrial scale" genocide. First it was Bergen-Belsen and Dachau, then Auschwitz-Birkenau and the Aktion Reinhardt camps, then the Eastern Front.

    When asked to explain why the "most documented event in history" needs a plethora of forged documents, coerced testimony and faked photos they just change the subject. When asked why there was no Hitler order or any other official and authentic documents indicating a policy or program of killing the Jews of Europe, they claim that their mass genocide was the result of a "meeting of the minds" and claim that perfectly innocuous words became "code words" for genocide.

    The false narrative needs to be kept alive so that the NATO hegemony over Europe can be justified, the huge mistake of Israel's founding in Palestine can be ignored and the extortion and guilt racket can continue to function ad infinitum.

    On something absurd that was once taken as authoritative, see:

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11684

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  • @Max Denken
    A short, interesting presentation, particularly for those whose only French word they know is Faurisson:

    https://twitter.com/brutofficiel/status/974366452319948800

    I saw this just the other day, with the breathless headline about how colorizing pictures enhances the “horror of the Holocaust”. (Usually you see these things before some new Israeli atrocity.) It’s already been granted that there was real human suffering during the war, and that the Germans bear some (but not all) responsibly for it. Can you explain it’s bearing on the believability of what happened at places like Treblinka?

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    Neither you nor I were actual inmates in Treblinka nor are experts in the subject. You want to argue that Treblinka is a myth, argue with its survivors or the experts who wrote the books. Start with this book; others are at the bottom of the page:

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/0451625668/ref=rdr_ext_tmb

    Grossman alone is an author of world stature, considered among the finest. I guarantee that if you write a book challenging his account -- credibly -- you will gain world stature, too.

    And here is a little film; I believe that no Zionists were involved in its production:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-G6kfz-d7o

    , @L.K
    The clown does not have anything, so he has to resort to using these cheap emotional gimmicks.

    But what to expect from an individual who thinks J. Karski is some sort of credible source for his holohoax fantasies??
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  • A short, interesting presentation, particularly for those whose only French word they know is Faurisson:

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    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    I saw this just the other day, with the breathless headline about how colorizing pictures enhances the “horror of the Holocaust”. (Usually you see these things before some new Israeli atrocity.) It’s already been granted that there was real human suffering during the war, and that the Germans bear some (but not all) responsibly for it. Can you explain it’s bearing on the believability of what happened at places like Treblinka?
    , @Art
    Would in not be better to talk about the Palestinian children tortured last night in Israeli prisons?

    Would that not be the humanitarian thing to do?

    Why does your picture justify what happened last night?

    Think Peace --- Art
    , @Art
    Here is one you Jews murdered in revenge. Jews all over the world claimed her death was justified because she was stupid. Sad!

    https://i2.wp.com/www.middleeastmonitor.com/wp-content/uploads/images/article_images/people/rachel-corrie.jpg?w=1200&quality=75&strip=all&ssl=1

    Fifteen years ago Friday, 23-year-old American peace activist Rachel Corrie was killed by an Israeli bulldozer that was preparing to demolish a Palestinian home in the Gaza Strip.
    Corrie has since become an icon of global solidarity with the people of Palestine.
    Born on 10 April 1979 in Olympia, Washington, Corrie dedicated her life to defending Palestinian rights. In 2003, she went to the Gaza Strip as a member of the International Solidarity Movement.
    She was known for her love of peace and for defending Palestinian rights, frequently broadcasting photo essays exposing Israeli rights violations in the occupied territories.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180316-rachel-corrie-remembered-15-years-on/
     
    She is remembered!

    Think peace --- Art
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  • @Mulegino1
    There is no greater example of "confirmation bias" than in the official narrative of the "Big-H", which is always in search of evidence that fits, and never admitting that the narrative must fit the evidence and the parameters of physical and logistical possibility.

    73 years after the end of the Second World War, the believers in this narrative cannot agree upon a murder weapon or manner of execution of the alleged "more than 4 million victims." First it was ovens, then it was steam chambers, electrified floors, pedal driven brain bashing machines, execution by tree felling, atomic bombs, delayed reaction gas, diesel exhaust, then gas coming through the shower heads (how this is done when the gas is lighter than air is beyond me), and finally, chambers using pesticide pellets and mass shootings on the Eastern Front.

    They have constantly changed the venue of the alleged "industrial scale" genocide. First it was Bergen-Belsen and Dachau, then Auschwitz-Birkenau and the Aktion Reinhardt camps, then the Eastern Front.

    When asked to explain why the "most documented event in history" needs a plethora of forged documents, coerced testimony and faked photos they just change the subject. When asked why there was no Hitler order or any other official and authentic documents indicating a policy or program of killing the Jews of Europe, they claim that their mass genocide was the result of a "meeting of the minds" and claim that perfectly innocuous words became "code words" for genocide.

    The false narrative needs to be kept alive so that the NATO hegemony over Europe can be justified, the huge mistake of Israel's founding in Palestine can be ignored and the extortion and guilt racket can continue to function ad infinitum.

    Don’t forget the evasive, but revealing, “where did they go”?

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  • @utu
    Zionist Black Helicopters brigade

    I prefer to think of them as the OJ's black female jurors. They are paranoid and believe that everybody is conspiring and all witnesses must be lying. It is easy for them to make this projection because they themselves are quite familiar with their own lies. Lies in critical situation are justified in their minds and thus are a norm for them. They want to believe that OJ is innocent and want to acquit him so they assign unwarranted weight to any evidence that may point to his innocence. They are too ignorant to see the totality of the picture and all the evidence so they can be easily swayed by a singular and narrow in scope argument like "if it doesn't fit you must acquit" that will help them to dismiss the totality of evidence with a simple stroke. In the end OJ walks.

    H-deniers are not interested in truth but only in confirmation of their beliefs. They just want to acquit Germans and/or bring the Jews down. They will reject the totality of evidence using singular narrow in scope arguments like "too low concentration of Prussian blue," "not sufficient throughput of ovens," "evidence was planted after the war like building a chimney in Auschwitz I," "this and that witness confabulated and/or lied," "this evidence was fabricated." Just like Blacks who know of dishonesty and not infrequent criminality of police H-deniers know of Jewish shenanigans and opportunistic dishonesty when it come to Holocaust which has been turned into useful and profitable cult for Jews.

    Unlike the Black ladies who actually participated in a real American court proceedings the H-deniers are in the make believe court by making strenuous analogy of American Justice system to a historical discourse which however is governed by different rules. American Justice system was never set up to arrive at the truth. Nobody is obliged by law or any legal doctrine to search for the truth in the process. It is an adversarial system. It only matters who wins. Somebody is legally guilty or not within the doctrine of the margin of unreasonable doubt which in itself is vague and undefined. But truth for them is whatever is the outcome of a trial. So OJ is innocent, right?

    There is no greater example of “confirmation bias” than in the official narrative of the “Big-H”, which is always in search of evidence that fits, and never admitting that the narrative must fit the evidence and the parameters of physical and logistical possibility.

    73 years after the end of the Second World War, the believers in this narrative cannot agree upon a murder weapon or manner of execution of the alleged “more than 4 million victims.” First it was ovens, then it was steam chambers, electrified floors, pedal driven brain bashing machines, execution by tree felling, atomic bombs, delayed reaction gas, diesel exhaust, then gas coming through the shower heads (how this is done when the gas is lighter than air is beyond me), and finally, chambers using pesticide pellets and mass shootings on the Eastern Front.

    They have constantly changed the venue of the alleged “industrial scale” genocide. First it was Bergen-Belsen and Dachau, then Auschwitz-Birkenau and the Aktion Reinhardt camps, then the Eastern Front.

    When asked to explain why the “most documented event in history” needs a plethora of forged documents, coerced testimony and faked photos they just change the subject. When asked why there was no Hitler order or any other official and authentic documents indicating a policy or program of killing the Jews of Europe, they claim that their mass genocide was the result of a “meeting of the minds” and claim that perfectly innocuous words became “code words” for genocide.

    The false narrative needs to be kept alive so that the NATO hegemony over Europe can be justified, the huge mistake of Israel’s founding in Palestine can be ignored and the extortion and guilt racket can continue to function ad infinitum.

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    Don’t forget the evasive, but revealing, “where did they go”?
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    On something absurd that was once taken as authoritative, see:

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11684
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  • @renfro
    Poland is over with ..
    German Nazis are history...

    We should be discussing today's Nazis

    ''The Qibya massacre, also known as the Qibya incident, occurred during "Operation Shoshana", a reprisal operation that occurred in October 1953 when Israeli troops under Ariel Sharon attacked the village of Qibya in the West Bank. At least sixty-nine Palestinian villagers were killed,[1] two-thirds of them women and children.[2] Forty-five houses, a school, and a mosque were destroyed.[3]

    Some details – A couple of excerpts from a book “How Israel Lost: The Four Questions” by Richard Ben Cramer taken from interview with general Pundak.

    “The Israelis took Hassen out of prison, took him around the Jabalya camp and
    then, at the edge of the camp, they shot him dead, in front of a crowd.
    Why? “Because he was thought of as an activist, and they brought him back to
    he camp to point out who else was active in the resistance. He wouldn’t
    squeal, so they killed him in plain view. They wanted everybody to see.”

    “… Sharon and Eitan caught this man and they killed him right there , they
    slit his throat. The Israeli officer who told about this said the man made
    the sound of a sheep who is slaughtered”

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  • @utu
    Zionist Black Helicopters brigade

    I prefer to think of them as the OJ's black female jurors. They are paranoid and believe that everybody is conspiring and all witnesses must be lying. It is easy for them to make this projection because they themselves are quite familiar with their own lies. Lies in critical situation are justified in their minds and thus are a norm for them. They want to believe that OJ is innocent and want to acquit him so they assign unwarranted weight to any evidence that may point to his innocence. They are too ignorant to see the totality of the picture and all the evidence so they can be easily swayed by a singular and narrow in scope argument like "if it doesn't fit you must acquit" that will help them to dismiss the totality of evidence with a simple stroke. In the end OJ walks.

    H-deniers are not interested in truth but only in confirmation of their beliefs. They just want to acquit Germans and/or bring the Jews down. They will reject the totality of evidence using singular narrow in scope arguments like "too low concentration of Prussian blue," "not sufficient throughput of ovens," "evidence was planted after the war like building a chimney in Auschwitz I," "this and that witness confabulated and/or lied," "this evidence was fabricated." Just like Blacks who know of dishonesty and not infrequent criminality of police H-deniers know of Jewish shenanigans and opportunistic dishonesty when it come to Holocaust which has been turned into useful and profitable cult for Jews.

    Unlike the Black ladies who actually participated in a real American court proceedings the H-deniers are in the make believe court by making strenuous analogy of American Justice system to a historical discourse which however is governed by different rules. American Justice system was never set up to arrive at the truth. Nobody is obliged by law or any legal doctrine to search for the truth in the process. It is an adversarial system. It only matters who wins. Somebody is legally guilty or not within the doctrine of the margin of unreasonable doubt which in itself is vague and undefined. But truth for them is whatever is the outcome of a trial. So OJ is innocent, right?

    Someone has a lot of free time on their hands.

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  • @CanSpeccy

    Some people died there. But 40k is way too many.
     
    LOL

    It's like the six million Jews. Obviously it's not an exact figure.

    And note, when I linked to that DM story, I was asserting nothing about the number of Russian POWs, if any, who died by the hands of the Nazis on the island of Alderney.

    I was refuting Mulegino1's ridiculous statement, endorsed by Beefcake the Moron, and the literacy impaired Renfro that:


    By all accounts, the Germans treated their prisoners of war strictly according to international law.
     
    So it's irrelevant to my point whether a single solitary Russian POW was murdered on the island of Alderney by the SS, who, so the DM article proves by photographic evidence, were certainly on Alderney during WW2 — to tend the gardens while the British residents remained evacuated to the mainlandm, perhaps — (or is it asserted that the photographs in the DM article are fakes, and the guys in SS regalia are CRISIS ACTORS?).

    My sole point was to negate Mulegino1's claim that "BY ALL ACCOUNTS, the Germans treated their prisoners of war strictly according to international law." I provide two "ACCOUNTS" that proved Mulegino1's claim to be nonsense.

    Now let's hear an apology from Beefcake the Moron and others for their insulting response to my irrefutable rebuttal of a nonsensical comment, not that I'll be holding my breath.

    I understand. The case of unreasonable counter argument to unreasonable claim usually do not work because those who made the unreasonable argument in the first place can get very reasonable in defeating your unreasonable counter argument and their unreasonable claim is forgotten and left standing.

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  • @Max Denken
    Zionist Black Helicopters brigade, go here
    https://twitter.com/AnitaSchelde/status/974385924669956096
    to contest this (in translation):

    “Do you recognize??? This is the Butcher of Swietokrzyski Land, SS-Obersturmführer Albert Schuster. He always shot Polish children in the head and watched the mothers’ reaction... and then he would kill them [the mothers]. He also liked burning Polish children alive... most often orphans...”

    Zionist Black Helicopters brigade

    I prefer to think of them as the OJ’s black female jurors. They are paranoid and believe that everybody is conspiring and all witnesses must be lying. It is easy for them to make this projection because they themselves are quite familiar with their own lies. Lies in critical situation are justified in their minds and thus are a norm for them. They want to believe that OJ is innocent and want to acquit him so they assign unwarranted weight to any evidence that may point to his innocence. They are too ignorant to see the totality of the picture and all the evidence so they can be easily swayed by a singular and narrow in scope argument like “if it doesn’t fit you must acquit” that will help them to dismiss the totality of evidence with a simple stroke. In the end OJ walks.

    H-deniers are not interested in truth but only in confirmation of their beliefs. They just want to acquit Germans and/or bring the Jews down. They will reject the totality of evidence using singular narrow in scope arguments like “too low concentration of Prussian blue,” “not sufficient throughput of ovens,” “evidence was planted after the war like building a chimney in Auschwitz I,” “this and that witness confabulated and/or lied,” “this evidence was fabricated.” Just like Blacks who know of dishonesty and not infrequent criminality of police H-deniers know of Jewish shenanigans and opportunistic dishonesty when it come to Holocaust which has been turned into useful and profitable cult for Jews.

    Unlike the Black ladies who actually participated in a real American court proceedings the H-deniers are in the make believe court by making strenuous analogy of American Justice system to a historical discourse which however is governed by different rules. American Justice system was never set up to arrive at the truth. Nobody is obliged by law or any legal doctrine to search for the truth in the process. It is an adversarial system. It only matters who wins. Somebody is legally guilty or not within the doctrine of the margin of unreasonable doubt which in itself is vague and undefined. But truth for them is whatever is the outcome of a trial. So OJ is innocent, right?

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    Someone has a lot of free time on their hands.
    , @Mulegino1
    There is no greater example of "confirmation bias" than in the official narrative of the "Big-H", which is always in search of evidence that fits, and never admitting that the narrative must fit the evidence and the parameters of physical and logistical possibility.

    73 years after the end of the Second World War, the believers in this narrative cannot agree upon a murder weapon or manner of execution of the alleged "more than 4 million victims." First it was ovens, then it was steam chambers, electrified floors, pedal driven brain bashing machines, execution by tree felling, atomic bombs, delayed reaction gas, diesel exhaust, then gas coming through the shower heads (how this is done when the gas is lighter than air is beyond me), and finally, chambers using pesticide pellets and mass shootings on the Eastern Front.

    They have constantly changed the venue of the alleged "industrial scale" genocide. First it was Bergen-Belsen and Dachau, then Auschwitz-Birkenau and the Aktion Reinhardt camps, then the Eastern Front.

    When asked to explain why the "most documented event in history" needs a plethora of forged documents, coerced testimony and faked photos they just change the subject. When asked why there was no Hitler order or any other official and authentic documents indicating a policy or program of killing the Jews of Europe, they claim that their mass genocide was the result of a "meeting of the minds" and claim that perfectly innocuous words became "code words" for genocide.

    The false narrative needs to be kept alive so that the NATO hegemony over Europe can be justified, the huge mistake of Israel's founding in Palestine can be ignored and the extortion and guilt racket can continue to function ad infinitum.

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  • @jilles dykstra
    Comte Jean Szembek, Ancien sous-secrétaire d’État aux Affaires étrangères de Pologne, ‘Journal, 1933 – 1939’, Paris 1952
    The Poles were not dumb.
    They were betrayed by FDR and Churchill
    Jan Ciechanowski, vormals polnischer Botschafter in den Vereinigten Staaten, ´Vergeblicher Sieg’, Zürich 1948 ( Defeat in Victory, New York, 1947)

    Poles were hoping to get some more liebenstraum from Germany in a future rerun of WWI.

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  • Poland is over with ..
    German Nazis are history…

    We should be discussing today’s Nazis

    ”The Qibya massacre, also known as the Qibya incident, occurred during “Operation Shoshana”, a reprisal operation that occurred in October 1953 when Israeli troops under Ariel Sharon attacked the village of Qibya in the West Bank. At least sixty-nine Palestinian villagers were killed,[1] two-thirds of them women and children.[2] Forty-five houses, a school, and a mosque were destroyed.[3]

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    • Replies: @snag
    Some details - A couple of excerpts from a book "How Israel Lost: The Four Questions" by Richard Ben Cramer taken from interview with general Pundak.

    "The Israelis took Hassen out of prison, took him around the Jabalya camp and
    then, at the edge of the camp, they shot him dead, in front of a crowd.
    Why? "Because he was thought of as an activist, and they brought him back to
    he camp to point out who else was active in the resistance. He wouldn't
    squeal, so they killed him in plain view. They wanted everybody to see."

    "... Sharon and Eitan caught this man and they killed him right there , they
    slit his throat. The Israeli officer who told about this said the man made
    the sound of a sheep who is slaughtered"
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  • @utu
    Some people died there. But 40k is way too many.

    Some people died there. But 40k is way too many.

    LOL

    It’s like the six million Jews. Obviously it’s not an exact figure.

    And note, when I linked to that DM story, I was asserting nothing about the number of Russian POWs, if any, who died by the hands of the Nazis on the island of Alderney.

    I was refuting Mulegino1′s ridiculous statement, endorsed by Beefcake the Moron, and the literacy impaired Renfro that:

    By all accounts, the Germans treated their prisoners of war strictly according to international law.

    So it’s irrelevant to my point whether a single solitary Russian POW was murdered on the island of Alderney by the SS, who, so the DM article proves by photographic evidence, were certainly on Alderney during WW2 — to tend the gardens while the British residents remained evacuated to the mainlandm, perhaps — (or is it asserted that the photographs in the DM article are fakes, and the guys in SS regalia are CRISIS ACTORS?).

    My sole point was to negate Mulegino1′s claim that “BY ALL ACCOUNTS, the Germans treated their prisoners of war strictly according to international law.” I provide two “ACCOUNTS” that proved Mulegino1′s claim to be nonsense.

    Now let’s hear an apology from Beefcake the Moron and others for their insulting response to my irrefutable rebuttal of a nonsensical comment, not that I’ll be holding my breath.

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    I understand. The case of unreasonable counter argument to unreasonable claim usually do not work because those who made the unreasonable argument in the first place can get very reasonable in defeating your unreasonable counter argument and their unreasonable claim is forgotten and left standing.
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  • @CanSpeccy
    Utu,

    Alderney Society president Dr Trevor Davenport is the author of Festung Alderney, a book which focuses on the island’s German defences.
     
    The Island of Alderney is a quaint and in some respects quite charming place with a marginal economy supported by a marginal tax-haven business, where semi-wealthy people establish a residence to minimize their tax liability. Naturally the Islanders do not want the place to be tagged as a death camp, since it would kill the economy. So, frankly, I don't place a whole lot of confidence in the implications of Dr. Davenport's remarks about the DM report on the German occupation of the island.

    What is indisputable is that massive fortifications were built on and around the island during WWII in addition to the tunnels that the DM article says were hewn from solid rock at a location off the Val Reuter. These works leave no doubt as to the existence of a large war-time work force on the island. Moreover, the location of the labor camps on the island are well known and were pointed out to me when I was there.

    So, really, all that the twats here can argue about is how the prisoners died, which seems silly, since it is surely clear to anyone but a complete fool how any SS-driven forced labor died: from accident, starvation, or murder (and the DM article does include photographs of the SS in Alderney, or do the critics say these are fake, photo-shopped images?). But apparently, I'm expected to provide proof of gas chambers of something equally compelling to the dull-witted.

    Oh, but maybe non of the forced labor died on the island. In fact they were probably fed on sausages and sauerkraut, with beer and roast beef on sundays. Ja, ja, that's how it must have been, and they all went home to Russia, Israel and Poland after the war and lived happily ever after.

    Some people died there. But 40k is way too many.

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    Some people died there. But 40k is way too many.
     
    LOL

    It's like the six million Jews. Obviously it's not an exact figure.

    And note, when I linked to that DM story, I was asserting nothing about the number of Russian POWs, if any, who died by the hands of the Nazis on the island of Alderney.

    I was refuting Mulegino1's ridiculous statement, endorsed by Beefcake the Moron, and the literacy impaired Renfro that:


    By all accounts, the Germans treated their prisoners of war strictly according to international law.
     
    So it's irrelevant to my point whether a single solitary Russian POW was murdered on the island of Alderney by the SS, who, so the DM article proves by photographic evidence, were certainly on Alderney during WW2 — to tend the gardens while the British residents remained evacuated to the mainlandm, perhaps — (or is it asserted that the photographs in the DM article are fakes, and the guys in SS regalia are CRISIS ACTORS?).

    My sole point was to negate Mulegino1's claim that "BY ALL ACCOUNTS, the Germans treated their prisoners of war strictly according to international law." I provide two "ACCOUNTS" that proved Mulegino1's claim to be nonsense.

    Now let's hear an apology from Beefcake the Moron and others for their insulting response to my irrefutable rebuttal of a nonsensical comment, not that I'll be holding my breath.

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  • @Hippopotamusdrome


    The original proposal from Hitler was an alliance against Russia
    ...
    The Poles said: no.
    ...
    [Poland is then invaded by Russia, who had been preparing for the invasion at the time Hitler asked]

     

    LOL, dumb Poles.

    Comte Jean Szembek, Ancien sous-secrétaire d’État aux Affaires étrangères de Pologne, ‘Journal, 1933 – 1939’, Paris 1952
    The Poles were not dumb.
    They were betrayed by FDR and Churchill
    Jan Ciechanowski, vormals polnischer Botschafter in den Vereinigten Staaten, ´Vergeblicher Sieg’, Zürich 1948 ( Defeat in Victory, New York, 1947)

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    Poles were hoping to get some more liebenstraum from Germany in a future rerun of WWI.
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  • @Walter Orlowski
    jilles dykstra, the statement ”That would have given him Poland’s resources and manpower to wage his intended war on Europe and the World ” describes what happened to Hungary and Rumania after they signed an alliance agreement with Hitler. As for Hitler’s global ambitions, you should remember that after WWI Germany lost all it colonies and influence in outside world. They became a “continental power” only.

    WWII should be seen NOT as a war between Poland and Germany but between Britain and Germany. Even though Britain and France declared war on Germany, they had no intention of invading it and waited. If Hitler did not have world wide ambitions, and did not attack France, Belgium and Netherlands, the war would have probably ended. You may not have heard about the “phony war” on the Western front between Sept 1st, 1939 and May 10th, 1940, that ended with German invasion of Belgium, Netherlands and France. Hitler’s objective was to make Germany a World wide power, something that the number one World Power Britain wanted to prevent at all cost. That was what WWII in the West was all about.

    Why, do you think, let Hitler the BEF escape from Dunkirk ?
    Hitler admired the British empire.
    Heinz Guderian, ‘Panzer Leader’, London 2000, 1952
    For three whole days the German tanks stood still a few kilometres south of Dunkirk.

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  • @Seraphim
    If you had read 'The Jews' by Roger Peyrefitte, you might have had an answer.
    He relates a scene in a Paris cabaret full of 'survivors' returned from 'the camps': "The chansonnier Martini came on the stage, looked at the crowd over slowly and said: 'Well then, those crematoriums must have been incubators'!" The narrator complained that French humor went a bit too far, but he is retorted: But Martini is a Catalonian Jewish name. It is Jewish humor! But why then didn't he say it in Yiddish?

    And this anecdote suppose to be an argument for…

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  • @Max Denken
    Argue with Lukas and Davies that they are fake. To the world, they are the authority, not you. No matter what you say, no matter what you write, other than your gallery of the faithful, the world, me included, will believe them, not you.

    The key word in your sentence is “believe.” Which is essentially what the Shoah Business relies on – extreme credulity- given the total dearth of facts and evidence to substantiate its absurd, pseudo-religious narrative.

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  • @Wally
    Fake as they come. Embarrassing.

    How about the "proven fact" of Jew exterminating steam chambers of Treblinka:

    'All Steamed up at Treblinka and superlatively accurate.'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11684

    www.codoh.com

    Argue with Lukas and Davies that they are fake. To the world, they are the authority, not you. No matter what you say, no matter what you write, other than your gallery of the faithful, the world, me included, will believe them, not you.

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    • Replies: @Mulegino1
    The key word in your sentence is "believe." Which is essentially what the Shoah Business relies on - extreme credulity- given the total dearth of facts and evidence to substantiate its absurd, pseudo-religious narrative.
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  • @jilles dykstra
    " That would have given him Poland’s resources and manpower to wage his intended war on Europe and the World "

    Hitler admired the British empire, what war on the world ?
    His intended war on Europe, France declared war, not Germany.
    Nothing happened until May 1941.

    jilles dykstra, the statement ”That would have given him Poland’s resources and manpower to wage his intended war on Europe and the World ” describes what happened to Hungary and Rumania after they signed an alliance agreement with Hitler. As for Hitler’s global ambitions, you should remember that after WWI Germany lost all it colonies and influence in outside world. They became a “continental power” only.

    WWII should be seen NOT as a war between Poland and Germany but between Britain and Germany. Even though Britain and France declared war on Germany, they had no intention of invading it and waited. If Hitler did not have world wide ambitions, and did not attack France, Belgium and Netherlands, the war would have probably ended. You may not have heard about the “phony war” on the Western front between Sept 1st, 1939 and May 10th, 1940, that ended with German invasion of Belgium, Netherlands and France. Hitler’s objective was to make Germany a World wide power, something that the number one World Power Britain wanted to prevent at all cost. That was what WWII in the West was all about.

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    Why, do you think, let Hitler the BEF escape from Dunkirk ?
    Hitler admired the British empire.
    Heinz Guderian, ‘Panzer Leader’, London 2000, 1952
    For three whole days the German tanks stood still a few kilometres south of Dunkirk.
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  • @Walter Orlowski
    I am surprised that most of you think that Pat is a historian rather than a columnist and unfortunately by writing the “Unnecessary War” became an apologist for Hitler’s actions. There is no truth in what Pat is saying. The demands that Pat is talking about were made 24 hours before the invasion with his pact with Stalin dividing Poland in his pocket and 1.5 million army on the border of Poland. Most of what Pat calls Hitler’s demands were Nazi Press articles. Poland was doomed because both of its powerful neighbors wanted to destroy it, not because they were stubborn. Poland was betrayed and used by Britain, but its fate was predetermined by Hitler’s insanity and desire for war. As he stated: “I want war” during a conversation with Count Ciano, Mussolini’s son in law and his emissary.

    Pat also does not seem to know what Hitler’s proposal was. The original proposal from Hitler was an alliance against Russia, which would allow him to station troops inside Poland and take control of Polish army. That would have given him Poland’s resources and manpower to wage his intended war on Europe and the World. The Poles said: no. The Poles also said no to a similar proposal by Russia (communicated through Britain). Unfortunately the Poles put all they hopes in Britain who created an alliance not to fight Hitler but hoping to prevent Hitler from waging war on Britain. But, no matter what Poles did the outcome would have been the same, but Polish leaders failed its people.

    What Pat seems oblivious off is that if Goering was the head of the Nazi party there would have been no war. Likewise, if Stalin did not agree to Molotov-Ribbentrop Treaty, there may not have been a war, since Brits were planning another Munich; this time for Poland.

    Pat was also wrong about demographics. In the country side of East Prussia there were more Poles than Germans. Most of the Germans were in major cities. In Pomerania, West of the Polish border, most of the area was inhabited by Poles.

    ” That would have given him Poland’s resources and manpower to wage his intended war on Europe and the World ”

    Hitler admired the British empire, what war on the world ?
    His intended war on Europe, France declared war, not Germany.
    Nothing happened until May 1941.

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    • Replies: @Walter Orlowski
    jilles dykstra, the statement ”That would have given him Poland’s resources and manpower to wage his intended war on Europe and the World ” describes what happened to Hungary and Rumania after they signed an alliance agreement with Hitler. As for Hitler’s global ambitions, you should remember that after WWI Germany lost all it colonies and influence in outside world. They became a “continental power” only.

    WWII should be seen NOT as a war between Poland and Germany but between Britain and Germany. Even though Britain and France declared war on Germany, they had no intention of invading it and waited. If Hitler did not have world wide ambitions, and did not attack France, Belgium and Netherlands, the war would have probably ended. You may not have heard about the “phony war” on the Western front between Sept 1st, 1939 and May 10th, 1940, that ended with German invasion of Belgium, Netherlands and France. Hitler’s objective was to make Germany a World wide power, something that the number one World Power Britain wanted to prevent at all cost. That was what WWII in the West was all about.
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  • @Max Denken
    Zionist Black Helicopters brigade, go here
    https://twitter.com/AnitaSchelde/status/974385924669956096
    to contest this (in translation):

    “Do you recognize??? This is the Butcher of Swietokrzyski Land, SS-Obersturmführer Albert Schuster. He always shot Polish children in the head and watched the mothers’ reaction... and then he would kill them [the mothers]. He also liked burning Polish children alive... most often orphans...”

    Fake as they come. Embarrassing.

    How about the “proven fact” of Jew exterminating steam chambers of Treblinka:

    All Steamed up at Treblinka and superlatively accurate.

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11684

    http://www.codoh.com

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    Argue with Lukas and Davies that they are fake. To the world, they are the authority, not you. No matter what you say, no matter what you write, other than your gallery of the faithful, the world, me included, will believe them, not you.
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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    He always shot Polish children in the head and watched the mothers’ reaction… and then he would kill them [the mothers]. He also liked burning Polish children alive… most often orphans…”
     
    Wow. What a guy! Sounds like the life of the party, eh? Could you clarify one detail for me?

    Did he also throw any babies out of any incubators?

    If you had read ‘The Jews’ by Roger Peyrefitte, you might have had an answer.
    He relates a scene in a Paris cabaret full of ‘survivors’ returned from ‘the camps’: “The chansonnier Martini came on the stage, looked at the crowd over slowly and said: ‘Well then, those crematoriums must have been incubators’!” The narrator complained that French humor went a bit too far, but he is retorted: But Martini is a Catalonian Jewish name. It is Jewish humor! But why then didn’t he say it in Yiddish?

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    • Replies: @utu
    And this anecdote suppose to be an argument for...
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  • @Max Denken
    Take your theories and argue with Richard Lukas and Normand Davies there:

    https://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-Holocaust-Third-Richard-Lukas/dp/0781813026

    and with the German (“anti-Zionist”) Spiegel there:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/rape-murder-and-genocide-nazi-war-crimes-as-described-by-german-soldiers-a-755385.html

    www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,759095,00.html

    Don’t waste our time and bang your pot in vain here.

    I can just as easily dredge up post-Reformation eyewitnesses accounts -made by self-confessed witches themselves- of dancing with the devil at their Sabbaths.

    My point was that this is a pretty pitiful propaganda photo, since the insignia do not match the claim that the guy in it was a member of the S.S.

    It’s the equivalent of a Hillary Clinton supporter wearing a “MAGA” hat.

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    Yes, always interesting how, given the extreme secrecy in which the Germans cloaked their atrocities (explaining the shortage of actual hard evidence), there was always some random asshole with a camera wandering around nearby.
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  • @Mulegino1
    Why would "Oberstumfuhrer" Albert Schuster let himself be photographed out of uniform?

    If he is SS, where is the death's head on the top of his officer's cap? Also, that is not the German eagle symbol on the cap, which in most cases should be above the death's head.

    At most, this is possibly the picture of some non-German SS auxiliary member; the eagle looks suspiciously like the Polish eagle.

    The Soviets and the Polish resistance were not very attentive to detail in their propaganda photos and lurid claims.

    Take your theories and argue with Richard Lukas and Normand Davies there:

    https://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-Holocaust-Third-Richard-Lukas/dp/0781813026

    and with the German (“anti-Zionist”) Spiegel there:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/rape-murder-and-genocide-nazi-war-crimes-as-described-by-german-soldiers-a-755385.html

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,759095,00.html

    Don’t waste our time and bang your pot in vain here.

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    • Replies: @Mulegino1
    I can just as easily dredge up post-Reformation eyewitnesses accounts -made by self-confessed witches themselves- of dancing with the devil at their Sabbaths.

    My point was that this is a pretty pitiful propaganda photo, since the insignia do not match the claim that the guy in it was a member of the S.S.

    It's the equivalent of a Hillary Clinton supporter wearing a "MAGA" hat.

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  • @Walter Orlowski
    I am surprised that most of you think that Pat is a historian rather than a columnist and unfortunately by writing the “Unnecessary War” became an apologist for Hitler’s actions. There is no truth in what Pat is saying. The demands that Pat is talking about were made 24 hours before the invasion with his pact with Stalin dividing Poland in his pocket and 1.5 million army on the border of Poland. Most of what Pat calls Hitler’s demands were Nazi Press articles. Poland was doomed because both of its powerful neighbors wanted to destroy it, not because they were stubborn. Poland was betrayed and used by Britain, but its fate was predetermined by Hitler’s insanity and desire for war. As he stated: “I want war” during a conversation with Count Ciano, Mussolini’s son in law and his emissary.

    Pat also does not seem to know what Hitler’s proposal was. The original proposal from Hitler was an alliance against Russia, which would allow him to station troops inside Poland and take control of Polish army. That would have given him Poland’s resources and manpower to wage his intended war on Europe and the World. The Poles said: no. The Poles also said no to a similar proposal by Russia (communicated through Britain). Unfortunately the Poles put all they hopes in Britain who created an alliance not to fight Hitler but hoping to prevent Hitler from waging war on Britain. But, no matter what Poles did the outcome would have been the same, but Polish leaders failed its people.

    What Pat seems oblivious off is that if Goering was the head of the Nazi party there would have been no war. Likewise, if Stalin did not agree to Molotov-Ribbentrop Treaty, there may not have been a war, since Brits were planning another Munich; this time for Poland.

    Pat was also wrong about demographics. In the country side of East Prussia there were more Poles than Germans. Most of the Germans were in major cities. In Pomerania, West of the Polish border, most of the area was inhabited by Poles.

    The original proposal from Hitler was an alliance against Russia

    The Poles said: no.

    [Poland is then invaded by Russia, who had been preparing for the invasion at the time Hitler asked]

    LOL, dumb Poles.

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    Comte Jean Szembek, Ancien sous-secrétaire d’État aux Affaires étrangères de Pologne, ‘Journal, 1933 – 1939’, Paris 1952
    The Poles were not dumb.
    They were betrayed by FDR and Churchill
    Jan Ciechanowski, vormals polnischer Botschafter in den Vereinigten Staaten, ´Vergeblicher Sieg’, Zürich 1948 ( Defeat in Victory, New York, 1947)
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  • @Mulegino1
    Why would "Oberstumfuhrer" Albert Schuster let himself be photographed out of uniform?

    If he is SS, where is the death's head on the top of his officer's cap? Also, that is not the German eagle symbol on the cap, which in most cases should be above the death's head.

    At most, this is possibly the picture of some non-German SS auxiliary member; the eagle looks suspiciously like the Polish eagle.

    The Soviets and the Polish resistance were not very attentive to detail in their propaganda photos and lurid claims.

    Yes, always interesting how, given the extreme secrecy in which the Germans cloaked their atrocities (explaining the shortage of actual hard evidence), there was always some random asshole with a camera wandering around nearby.

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    • Replies: @snag
    Or smartphone ,...
    .https://i.pinimg.com/236x/5e/f0/79/5ef079ab69f43da97eb9ce0f8b6b6b23.jpg
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  • @Mulegino1
    Again, incorrect. There were many such cross border incidents, but this version of the "Gleiwitz Incident" is false, and no specific mention of Gleiwitz was made by Hitler in his speech announcing commencement of hostilities.

    The official account of the incident by the German Foreign Office goes like this: "Polish irregulars seized and briefly held the radio transmitting station at Gleiwitz. They were subsequently driven off by German border guards with two fatalities resulting." You will note that there was only mention of Polish "irregulars", i.e., non-uniformed partisans, and no mention of regular Polish military members.

    The "Operation Himmler" nonsense was freely invented by a certain Naujocks after the war.

    Make that “one fatality resulting.”

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  • @Max Denken
    What might be added to this is the Gleiwitz Provocation, thought up by the same Reinhard Heydrich, head of the Gestapo and SD, who would become, first, the implementer of the Final Solution, and second, the cruel oppressor of Czechoslovakia, assassinated by the Czech underground.

    This was an attack by a small German special ops unit on the German radio station in the mixed-ethnicity Polish -German city of Gleiwitz (Gliwice), then under German rule, on August 31, 20:00. Utilized by Hitler as proof of a "Polish provocation," this triggered his attack just some hours later. Hitler's propaganda machine had also claimed several such fictitious Polish attacks on German territory, asserting the participation of not only "Polish insurgents" but regular Polish Army armor units.

    Again, incorrect. There were many such cross border incidents, but this version of the “Gleiwitz Incident” is false, and no specific mention of Gleiwitz was made by Hitler in his speech announcing commencement of hostilities.

    The official account of the incident by the German Foreign Office goes like this: “Polish irregulars seized and briefly held the radio transmitting station at Gleiwitz. They were subsequently driven off by German border guards with two fatalities resulting.” You will note that there was only mention of Polish “irregulars”, i.e., non-uniformed partisans, and no mention of regular Polish military members.

    The “Operation Himmler” nonsense was freely invented by a certain Naujocks after the war.

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    Make that "one fatality resulting."
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  • @Max Denken
    Zionist Black Helicopters brigade, go here
    https://twitter.com/AnitaSchelde/status/974385924669956096
    to contest this (in translation):

    “Do you recognize??? This is the Butcher of Swietokrzyski Land, SS-Obersturmführer Albert Schuster. He always shot Polish children in the head and watched the mothers’ reaction... and then he would kill them [the mothers]. He also liked burning Polish children alive... most often orphans...”

    Why would “Oberstumfuhrer” Albert Schuster let himself be photographed out of uniform?

    If he is SS, where is the death’s head on the top of his officer’s cap? Also, that is not the German eagle symbol on the cap, which in most cases should be above the death’s head.

    At most, this is possibly the picture of some non-German SS auxiliary member; the eagle looks suspiciously like the Polish eagle.

    The Soviets and the Polish resistance were not very attentive to detail in their propaganda photos and lurid claims.

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    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    Yes, always interesting how, given the extreme secrecy in which the Germans cloaked their atrocities (explaining the shortage of actual hard evidence), there was always some random asshole with a camera wandering around nearby.
    , @Max Denken
    Take your theories and argue with Richard Lukas and Normand Davies there:

    https://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-Holocaust-Third-Richard-Lukas/dp/0781813026

    and with the German (“anti-Zionist”) Spiegel there:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/rape-murder-and-genocide-nazi-war-crimes-as-described-by-german-soldiers-a-755385.html

    www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,759095,00.html

    Don’t waste our time and bang your pot in vain here.
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  • @Max Denken
    Zionist Black Helicopters brigade, go here
    https://twitter.com/AnitaSchelde/status/974385924669956096
    to contest this (in translation):

    “Do you recognize??? This is the Butcher of Swietokrzyski Land, SS-Obersturmführer Albert Schuster. He always shot Polish children in the head and watched the mothers’ reaction... and then he would kill them [the mothers]. He also liked burning Polish children alive... most often orphans...”

    He always shot Polish children in the head and watched the mothers’ reaction… and then he would kill them [the mothers]. He also liked burning Polish children alive… most often orphans…”

    Wow. What a guy! Sounds like the life of the party, eh? Could you clarify one detail for me?

    Did he also throw any babies out of any incubators?

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    • Replies: @Seraphim
    If you had read 'The Jews' by Roger Peyrefitte, you might have had an answer.
    He relates a scene in a Paris cabaret full of 'survivors' returned from 'the camps': "The chansonnier Martini came on the stage, looked at the crowd over slowly and said: 'Well then, those crematoriums must have been incubators'!" The narrator complained that French humor went a bit too far, but he is retorted: But Martini is a Catalonian Jewish name. It is Jewish humor! But why then didn't he say it in Yiddish?
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  • @Max Denken
    Zionist Black Helicopters brigade, go here
    https://twitter.com/AnitaSchelde/status/974385924669956096
    to contest this (in translation):

    “Do you recognize??? This is the Butcher of Swietokrzyski Land, SS-Obersturmführer Albert Schuster. He always shot Polish children in the head and watched the mothers’ reaction... and then he would kill them [the mothers]. He also liked burning Polish children alive... most often orphans...”

    I’m surprised he didn’t borrow the pneumatic brain-bashing machine from Treblinka, I’m sure he would have gotten a real kick out of that.

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  • @Walter Orlowski
    I am surprised that most of you think that Pat is a historian rather than a columnist and unfortunately by writing the “Unnecessary War” became an apologist for Hitler’s actions. There is no truth in what Pat is saying. The demands that Pat is talking about were made 24 hours before the invasion with his pact with Stalin dividing Poland in his pocket and 1.5 million army on the border of Poland. Most of what Pat calls Hitler’s demands were Nazi Press articles. Poland was doomed because both of its powerful neighbors wanted to destroy it, not because they were stubborn. Poland was betrayed and used by Britain, but its fate was predetermined by Hitler’s insanity and desire for war. As he stated: “I want war” during a conversation with Count Ciano, Mussolini’s son in law and his emissary.

    Pat also does not seem to know what Hitler’s proposal was. The original proposal from Hitler was an alliance against Russia, which would allow him to station troops inside Poland and take control of Polish army. That would have given him Poland’s resources and manpower to wage his intended war on Europe and the World. The Poles said: no. The Poles also said no to a similar proposal by Russia (communicated through Britain). Unfortunately the Poles put all they hopes in Britain who created an alliance not to fight Hitler but hoping to prevent Hitler from waging war on Britain. But, no matter what Poles did the outcome would have been the same, but Polish leaders failed its people.

    What Pat seems oblivious off is that if Goering was the head of the Nazi party there would have been no war. Likewise, if Stalin did not agree to Molotov-Ribbentrop Treaty, there may not have been a war, since Brits were planning another Munich; this time for Poland.

    Pat was also wrong about demographics. In the country side of East Prussia there were more Poles than Germans. Most of the Germans were in major cities. In Pomerania, West of the Polish border, most of the area was inhabited by Poles.

    What might be added to this is the Gleiwitz Provocation, thought up by the same Reinhard Heydrich, head of the Gestapo and SD, who would become, first, the implementer of the Final Solution, and second, the cruel oppressor of Czechoslovakia, assassinated by the Czech underground.

    This was an attack by a small German special ops unit on the German radio station in the mixed-ethnicity Polish -German city of Gleiwitz (Gliwice), then under German rule, on August 31, 20:00. Utilized by Hitler as proof of a “Polish provocation,” this triggered his attack just some hours later. Hitler’s propaganda machine had also claimed several such fictitious Polish attacks on German territory, asserting the participation of not only “Polish insurgents” but regular Polish Army armor units.

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    • Replies: @Mulegino1
    Again, incorrect. There were many such cross border incidents, but this version of the "Gleiwitz Incident" is false, and no specific mention of Gleiwitz was made by Hitler in his speech announcing commencement of hostilities.

    The official account of the incident by the German Foreign Office goes like this: "Polish irregulars seized and briefly held the radio transmitting station at Gleiwitz. They were subsequently driven off by German border guards with two fatalities resulting." You will note that there was only mention of Polish "irregulars", i.e., non-uniformed partisans, and no mention of regular Polish military members.

    The "Operation Himmler" nonsense was freely invented by a certain Naujocks after the war.
    , @polskijoe
    Max, thats all "fake and no proof". Hitler was "good" guy.
    All Zionist propaganda.

    codoh.com

    ;)

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