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  • It’s surprising in a police state how many will fetishise the police. In my neighborhood we have no police protection and no protection from the police. Blue criminality is a fact of life. Stand your ground woodNfish.

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  • Well that is what the cop said, and of course cops never lie. Of course, no one else saw that. It is just the cops word against, the unarmed teenager he murdered, who isn’t talking.

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  • @woodNfish
    You ignore the fact that the cop initiated the incident and fired at Brown as Brown was running away. You also ignore the fact that the cop could have simply let Brown run and picked him up later. There was no pressing need to shoot at Brown as he was running away. The dumbass murdering cop caused the entire thing because he is a dumbass racist who thinks if he isn't immediately obeyed he has a right to kill you for refusing to obey.

    You cops are armed to the teeth. You have pepper spray, night sticks, and tasers, and this pig chose to use his gun and murder an unarmed teenager that he had enraged. He had choices and he made all bad ones.

    Lol…did you miss the part where Brown tried to go for the cop’s firearm? Besides, being unarmed doesn’t matter. Attack a cop, get shot. It’s like 2+2=4.

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  • Only exception is suspect seen committing crime by officers.

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  • @RadicalCenter
    If you are put in reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm, then it IS indeed an assault. The circumstances are relevant to that determination, including the size and apparent strength of the putative assaulter and his victim.

    Are we obliged to wait until the moment of impact before fighting back? Must we wait until we are struck and perhaps killed, brain-damaged, paralyzed, or disfigured?

    Do you really live your life under the absurd unrealistic rules you want to impose on us? I doubt it.

    In self defense stand your ground means shoot at 20 feet if attacker rushes you or you will be knifed before you shoot attacker, police in pursuit of suspect can stay 20ft away. Big difference.

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  • @Bill Jones
    Nature of the State.

    2nd amendment is for emergencies.
    We need the state for everyday law and order. Only by keeping the state honest do we stop it from being run by thugs like mexico. We need a wall to keep mexico out and a zero tolerance for thugs in govt not to become like mexico.

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  • @MMM
    More than name calling and fantasy are needed to make valid points, if you ever have any worth making.

    Darling I had been there when I was warned by one of the site moderator that calling a “white pig a pig is not allowed.”

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  • @RadicalCenter
    If you are put in reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm, then it IS indeed an assault. The circumstances are relevant to that determination, including the size and apparent strength of the putative assaulter and his victim.

    Are we obliged to wait until the moment of impact before fighting back? Must we wait until we are struck and perhaps killed, brain-damaged, paralyzed, or disfigured?

    Do you really live your life under the absurd unrealistic rules you want to impose on us? I doubt it.

    You ignore the fact that the cop initiated the incident and fired at Brown as Brown was running away. You also ignore the fact that the cop could have simply let Brown run and picked him up later. There was no pressing need to shoot at Brown as he was running away. The dumbass murdering cop caused the entire thing because he is a dumbass racist who thinks if he isn’t immediately obeyed he has a right to kill you for refusing to obey.

    You cops are armed to the teeth. You have pepper spray, night sticks, and tasers, and this pig chose to use his gun and murder an unarmed teenager that he had enraged. He had choices and he made all bad ones.

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    Lol...did you miss the part where Brown tried to go for the cop's firearm? Besides, being unarmed doesn't matter. Attack a cop, get shot. It's like 2+2=4.
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  • @Rehmat
    The Occidental Observer website is run by White supremacist bigots who hate Jews but when they need to accuse Muslim men raping their lovely White women in streets or in brothels - they love to quote Jewish and atheist sources in order to be proud of being White Christians.

    Wouldn't you love these creeps?

    More than name calling and fantasy are needed to make valid points, if you ever have any worth making.

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    Darling I had been there when I was warned by one of the site moderator that calling a "white pig a pig is not allowed."
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  • @MMM
    I stopped reading here:

    "...it’s hardly surprising that law enforcement would look to technology — “smart policing,” anyone? — to help reestablish public trust after the 2014 death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, and the long list of other unarmed black men killed by cops in Anytown, USA."

    Enough perversity is enough.

    Here's an antidote of sorts:
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/05/the-donald-trump-candidacy-a-matter-of-representation/

    The Occidental Observer website is run by White supremacist bigots who hate Jews but when they need to accuse Muslim men raping their lovely White women in streets or in brothels – they love to quote Jewish and atheist sources in order to be proud of being White Christians.

    Wouldn’t you love these creeps?

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    More than name calling and fantasy are needed to make valid points, if you ever have any worth making.
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  • Hmmmm. Jewish ACLU upset that their spying equipment ended up in police hands.

    This is a squirrely one to get my head around.

    I would think the ACLU would love this tech to root out Christians and other authoritarian types.

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  • @woodNfish
    That is not assault, it is free speech. The pig had no right to murder an unarmed Brown. He had no right to shoot at Brown while he was running away. The pig provoked the incident and then murdered Brown. The pig should be on death row for first degree murder.

    If you are put in reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm, then it IS indeed an assault. The circumstances are relevant to that determination, including the size and apparent strength of the putative assaulter and his victim.

    Are we obliged to wait until the moment of impact before fighting back? Must we wait until we are struck and perhaps killed, brain-damaged, paralyzed, or disfigured?

    Do you really live your life under the absurd unrealistic rules you want to impose on us? I doubt it.

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    You ignore the fact that the cop initiated the incident and fired at Brown as Brown was running away. You also ignore the fact that the cop could have simply let Brown run and picked him up later. There was no pressing need to shoot at Brown as he was running away. The dumbass murdering cop caused the entire thing because he is a dumbass racist who thinks if he isn't immediately obeyed he has a right to kill you for refusing to obey.

    You cops are armed to the teeth. You have pepper spray, night sticks, and tasers, and this pig chose to use his gun and murder an unarmed teenager that he had enraged. He had choices and he made all bad ones.

    , @Giles
    In self defense stand your ground means shoot at 20 feet if attacker rushes you or you will be knifed before you shoot attacker, police in pursuit of suspect can stay 20ft away. Big difference.
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  • World’s better off without Brown in it.

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  • @Marty
    When a 290 pound man advances on you calling you "MFer," that is an assault under the law. The impending battery, whose grave results must now be forestalled, is what justifies the shooting. Your comment is disingenuous.

    That is not assault, it is free speech. The pig had no right to murder an unarmed Brown. He had no right to shoot at Brown while he was running away. The pig provoked the incident and then murdered Brown. The pig should be on death row for first degree murder.

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    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    If you are put in reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm, then it IS indeed an assault. The circumstances are relevant to that determination, including the size and apparent strength of the putative assaulter and his victim.

    Are we obliged to wait until the moment of impact before fighting back? Must we wait until we are struck and perhaps killed, brain-damaged, paralyzed, or disfigured?

    Do you really live your life under the absurd unrealistic rules you want to impose on us? I doubt it.
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  • @woodNfish
    There is no proof that Brown assaulted the pig who murdered him.

    When a 290 pound man advances on you calling you “MFer,” that is an assault under the law. The impending battery, whose grave results must now be forestalled, is what justifies the shooting. Your comment is disingenuous.

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    That is not assault, it is free speech. The pig had no right to murder an unarmed Brown. He had no right to shoot at Brown while he was running away. The pig provoked the incident and then murdered Brown. The pig should be on death row for first degree murder.
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  • MMM says:
    @Unapologetic White Man
    I stopped reading at "unarmed black men." It doesn't matter can be determined later, after the fact that counts. The law is based on that of a "reasonable person" at the time of the incident. Moreover, a black man my be unarmed, but if he's trying to arm himself by taking away your gun, or else making a movement that could be interpreted as going for a gun somewhere on his person or car or wherever else, you can either turn his head into a canoe while he's unarmed, or let him take your gun and do the same to you.

    I stopped reading here:

    “…it’s hardly surprising that law enforcement would look to technology — “smart policing,” anyone? — to help reestablish public trust after the 2014 death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, and the long list of other unarmed black men killed by cops in Anytown, USA.”

    Enough perversity is enough.

    Here’s an antidote of sorts:

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/05/the-donald-trump-candidacy-a-matter-of-representation/

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    The Occidental Observer website is run by White supremacist bigots who hate Jews but when they need to accuse Muslim men raping their lovely White women in streets or in brothels - they love to quote Jewish and atheist sources in order to be proud of being White Christians.

    Wouldn't you love these creeps?
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  • the long list of other unarmed black men killed by cops in Anytown, USA.

    I agree, it’s terrible, they should relocate to a safer, majority black country.

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  • Predictive policing is of course a euphemism for profiling. Now they can simply use data points outside PC protected areas.

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  • @animalogic
    Wow-- just one more reason for revolution.
    The "insouciant" public simply have no comprehension that time is running out for democracy. How many mortal dangers do we face ? Climate change.
    The neo-con's insane drive to provoke war with Russia, even China. A world economy poisoned with debt and high level criminality. Increasingly unmanageable international flows of people/refugees. And, of course, the destruction of personal freedom and the rapid rise of the "police state". Is it inconceivable that a point may be reached where significant political change is basically impossible-- because the State is able to monitor, control and police ALL social activities, such that ANY non-sanctioned political activity (or any activity at all) can be "nipped in the bud"?

    Democracy is already dead. The USA is a crony capitalist fascist survellance police state run by a corporate oligarchy.

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  • @Quartermaster
    The manner in which the article begins kills the author's credibility. Brown and Saint Trayvon got what they had coming to them under the circumstances. Brown was especially stupid to assault the cop in the first place. When it comes to the Police, blacks never have any trust. Black neighborhoods are hot beds of criminality and blame anyone but themselves for their problems. Just talk to any defense attorney that has been appointed to defend a black man. When the case is lost, the "client" blames the white attorney for his troubles, or the cop, or the judge, or the jury, anyone but himself.

    There is no proof that Brown assaulted the pig who murdered him.

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    When a 290 pound man advances on you calling you "MFer," that is an assault under the law. The impending battery, whose grave results must now be forestalled, is what justifies the shooting. Your comment is disingenuous.
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  • “…it’s hardly surprising that law enforcement would look to technology — “smart policing,” anyone? — to help reestablish public trust after the 2014 death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, and the long list of other unarmed black men killed by cops in Anytown, USA.”

    Propaganda and lies for the grubers. BTW cops murder more unarmed whites than blacks every year, and they don’t care because they are almost never prosecuted for any of their crimes which also include murder, assault rape, sexual assault, gun running, extortion, blackmail, sex slavery, perjury, robbery, B&E, drug dealing, protection racket, etc. You name the crime, cops commit it. Cops probably commit more crime than the “criminals” they are supposed to protect us against. They also have no incentive to prevent or reduce crime because that would threaten their job safety.

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  • Great article and it doesn’t even mention the fact that while cops are happy to use video against you, they will arrest you for videotaping them. First Amendment? Haaaa!!!!

    I should also like to take the opportunity to point out that, since the authors are from the ACLU, someone should tell them that there is more then one amendment in the Bill of Rights — namely, the SECOND Amendment, which the ACLU refuses to recognize or defend.

    Any ACLU-types who are rightly concerned about police abuses about to be equally concerned the fact that the cops seek to disarm citizens wherever they are able, while arming themselves to the hilt.

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  • The manner in which the article begins kills the author’s credibility. Brown and Saint Trayvon got what they had coming to them under the circumstances. Brown was especially stupid to assault the cop in the first place. When it comes to the Police, blacks never have any trust. Black neighborhoods are hot beds of criminality and blame anyone but themselves for their problems. Just talk to any defense attorney that has been appointed to defend a black man. When the case is lost, the “client” blames the white attorney for his troubles, or the cop, or the judge, or the jury, anyone but himself.

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    There is no proof that Brown assaulted the pig who murdered him.
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  • Why people don’t listen to Max Blumenthal who claimed that America’s internal security agencies had long been “Israelized”. Every year, hundreds of police and FBI officials are sent to Israel to learn how to control anti-government and anti-Israel demonstrations and create false flag operation to demonize America’s 7 million Muslims.

    Max Blumenthal, in his new book, ‘Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel’, recounts his personal experience while reporting from the Zionist entity for four years.

    “I was most surprised at the banality of the racism and violence that I witnessed and how it’s so widely tolerated because it’s so common. And I’m most surprised that it hasn’t made its way to the American public,” said Blumenthal.

    Anyone who has read Max Blumenthal’s writings or his new book, may think Blumenthal is anti-Israel or despise Zionism – is completely naive. In reality Max believes that only Jews can criticize Israeli Jews. And anyone who criticizes the Zionist regime or Israeli state, Jew or non-Jew, is “a Jew hater” and “racist”. For example, in August, 2013, he called Israeli-born Jewish writer, author and musician, Gilad Atzmon, a British citizen; “anti Semites”, “neo Fascists” and “racists”.

    “Being an expert on the matter and an avid reader of Jewish history, I know pretty well why Blumenthal is tormented by my work. Jewish hegemony within radical movements always backfired. My work indeed exposes an intrinsic dishonest element within the Jewish Left in general and Jewish anti Zionism in particular. I guess that the vastly growing popularity of the descriptive abbreviation AZZ (Anti Zionist Zionists), only suggests that Blumenthal & Co have a good reason to panic. In The Wandering Who I give this very panic a name – Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder (Pre – TSD),” said Atzmon in response.

    https://rehmat1.com/2013/10/14/max-blumenthal-on-racism-and-violence-in-israel/

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  • Wow– just one more reason for revolution.
    The “insouciant” public simply have no comprehension that time is running out for democracy. How many mortal dangers do we face ? Climate change.
    The neo-con’s insane drive to provoke war with Russia, even China. A world economy poisoned with debt and high level criminality. Increasingly unmanageable international flows of people/refugees. And, of course, the destruction of personal freedom and the rapid rise of the “police state”. Is it inconceivable that a point may be reached where significant political change is basically impossible– because the State is able to monitor, control and police ALL social activities, such that ANY non-sanctioned political activity (or any activity at all) can be “nipped in the bud”?

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    Democracy is already dead. The USA is a crony capitalist fascist survellance police state run by a corporate oligarchy.
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  • “the long list of other unarmed black men killed by cops”

    How do I know that isn’t a long list of men who assailed cops and/or other humans and got what they deserved? That link, by the way, isn’t exclusively about unarmed men, which is misleading.

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  • I stopped reading at “unarmed black men.” It doesn’t matter can be determined later, after the fact that counts. The law is based on that of a “reasonable person” at the time of the incident. Moreover, a black man my be unarmed, but if he’s trying to arm himself by taking away your gun, or else making a movement that could be interpreted as going for a gun somewhere on his person or car or wherever else, you can either turn his head into a canoe while he’s unarmed, or let him take your gun and do the same to you.

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    I stopped reading here:

    "...it’s hardly surprising that law enforcement would look to technology — “smart policing,” anyone? — to help reestablish public trust after the 2014 death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, and the long list of other unarmed black men killed by cops in Anytown, USA."

    Enough perversity is enough.

    Here's an antidote of sorts:
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/05/the-donald-trump-candidacy-a-matter-of-representation/

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  • […] UNZ REVIEW Power Loves the Dark […]

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  • Nature of the State.

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    2nd amendment is for emergencies.
    We need the state for everyday law and order. Only by keeping the state honest do we stop it from being run by thugs like mexico. We need a wall to keep mexico out and a zero tolerance for thugs in govt not to become like mexico.
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  • If you’ve been listening to various police agencies and their supporters, then you know what the future holds: anarchy is coming -- and it’s all the fault of activists. In May, a Wall Street Journal op-ed warned of a “new nationwide crime wave” thanks to “intense agitation against American police departments” over the previous year....
  • When radicalized african americans constantly complain and demand a race war when they do not get their way, when this country has been bending over backwards to satisfy their grievances (both real and imagined) for the last 50 years, we condemn the police instead. Why ? Because it is politically correct to do so. Yeah Yeah Yeah we all know there are some bad cops out there, but is that an excuse to shut them all down! Who suffers when crime goes back up: everyone including the black on black crime. ALSO when activist say we must stop black on black crime, what does that mean: black on whites/asians/hispanics do not matter. The ACLU accomplishments seldom protect the working man, instead they tend to protect the criminal. Thus I do not believe that any article from the ACLU rep can be objective. Just more leftist obfuscations.

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  • @Chopper
    Once again you make my point. Get rid of, or even reduce the number of police? Heavens no! I mean your certainly no anarchist , that's just crazy!.You seem to just want to vent, well have at it anonymous tough guy.

    You didn’t address even one of the honest concerns, there was nothing extreme or anti cop in this statement.
    “Nobody (who isn’t an anarchist anyway) wants to get rid of the police. We just don’t want them to have extraordinary powers they ought not to have (like special interrogation protocols, living off booty from their arrests, etc.) and to abide by the Constitution they have sworn to defend. Also, we want them to not act like dicks”

    All that I see here is a desire from the community that police act like neighbors and part of the community as apposed to acting as a class and caste above and uncountable to the people with special priveleges that allow them to harm citizens with impunity. And I am not a anti police lefty. In fact I think Michael browns killing in Ferguson was justified.

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  • @Chopper
    As a cop ,I take pride in the fact you find cop haters on all sides of the political spectrum. There's a kind of nobility to it. I won't bother to argue the usual social justice-y anti cop rhetoric in this article, it's identical to the bilge turned out weekly in Salon et al. I'll just make one point, policing is essentially a dirty job that people are more than willing to pay someone else to do. No one is forcing police on the public, the vast majority of police are hired and payed for by the most local of governments, citys and counties. Even in the mists of the most anti cop rhetoric there is always a demand for more cops.

    Anti-cop? How about pro-accountability? I would think, as a cop (IF you are a “good” cop, which I think is a mythical creature) … you would WANT your colleagues held accountable. After all, they are giving you a bad name.

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  • @joe webb
    police etiquette here. When you are stopped by the police in your car. Keep your hands on the steering wheel where they can be seen. Do not get out of the car.

    Say hello officer (proper mode of address ) and say something like what did I do wrong? Have your ID available and do not give him , or especially her, any shit.

    The gals are always way more nervous. never should have been there in the first place. male cops call them me-tooers.

    Imagine what it is like these days for a cop to approach a car never knowing what the hell can happen. Put yourself in their shoes.

    Joe Webb

    When a cop stops me, I put my hands on the steering wheel, and if it’s nighttime, I turn on the interior light. When I reach into the glove box for my insurance crap, I’ll do it calmly and where they can see what I’m doing.

    I do all this because I don’t want to get shot.

    But I do not not address them, and I will certainly not call them “Officer.”

    I have the most minimal interaction with them as possible, and if they start asking me bullshit questions such as, “Where are you going so fast?”, I ignore them.

    Every semi-free citizen that cares about his rights should video record (or at least audio record) all interactions with cops or any governmental agency.

    Know your rights, and know the law.

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  • @in the middle
    Joe:

    In the big picture, you might be right. However, statistics demonstrate that minorities receive the end of the police stick more often than you, whitey boy. I don't disagree that it might be right that a segment of society is more 'prone' to crime, if you want to believe that. However, police brutality is uncalled for most of the time, and it aggravates the race issue. I am neutral in race issues, and only dislike evil people regardless of who they are, evil is evil. However, you filling ostracized because you believe that the jews are after whites is your personal opinion. If you notice, most cops are white, at least in my neighborhood any ways. They don't bother me, and also I was a cop for 11 yrs, and KNOW how cops target minorities more than whities, believe me. Its just a hush hush thing that as one commentator wrote, 'cops don't tell on cops' so it stay that way, with the John Wayne syndrome, if you know what that means.

    Cops are supposed to go after criminals, so it’s only natural that they’re going to target blacks and mestizos. Blacks especially have to be put under the thumb, as they are incapable of controlling their behavior, and their behavior is psychopathic.

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  • @Kiza
    Just like in George Orwell's Animal Farm, everyone is equal, but some are more equal than the others:

    1) Unlike a member of the public, the officer gets a ‘cooling off’ period before he has to respond to any questions.
    2) Unlike a member of the public, the officer under investigation is privy to the names of his complainants and their testimony against him before he is ever interrogated.
    3) Unlike a member of the public, the officer under investigation is to be interrogated ‘at a reasonable hour,’ with a union member present.
    4) Unlike a member of the public, the officer can only be questioned by one person during his interrogation.
    5) Unlike a member of the public, the officer can be interrogated only ‘for reasonable periods,’ which ‘shall be timed to allow for such personal necessities and rest periods as are reasonably necessary.’
    6) Unlike a member of the public, the officer under investigation cannot be ‘threatened with disciplinary action’ at any point during his interrogation. If he is threatened with punishment, whatever he says following the threat cannot be used against him.
     
    Just imagine the rules which apply to the privileged, if these are the rules for their servants - the police.

    What are you talking about? A member of the public does not have to answer any questions at all or participate in an interrogation.

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  • Thanks for your story, Michelle.

    I once asked two colleagues of the law enforcement officer who’d been on two government payrolls simultaneously: “Would it be a big surprise if Captain X were indicted for something tomorrow?” They laughed and shot me with how’d-you-know looks.

    I don’t like being a bit obsessive-compulsive, or whatever it is, about a particular bad life experience. The reality is it’s taken me a long while to “work through” having been the target, and a very minor target, of a crooked cop and his goon-boy zillionaire patron. Thanks again.

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  • @JackOH
    Thanks, Matthew. Back in the 1930s, my Dad was a police cadet before making a first career of the military. I have his law 'n' order genes. But, in late middle age, I discovered a sub-species of law enforcement officer--the crooked cop.

    One of them gave me a very minor rough-up after I'd published stuff that appeared to offend a local Mr. Big. His reward, I can only guess, was a cushy government job in an institution in which Mr. Big enjoys significant influence. I kept on writing and publishing, but I was pretty damned scared for a long while. I could forget about pursuing legal action against this piece-of-dung cop. A criminal complaint would have me up against the thin blue line, and a civil action would have been a money proposition.

    Another very senior cop I knew to a certainty was on two full-time government payrolls at the same time. He pretty much admitted to me in a joking way he'd been scolded by a local judge for attempted jury tampering, although he didn't phrase it that way, and he was too dim or arrogant to care that I knew his actions were probably illegal.

    Do we need cops? Sure. Are most cops okay? Sure. We need guys willing to do traffic stops at 3:00 A. M. But, I still haven't got the stink of crooked cop out of my nostrils.

    When I was 15, I went to live with my uncle in Kansas City. His girlfriend at the time was an exquisitely beautiful woman of 28 years. She had a 15 year old daughter. She used to joke that although she had given birth to her daughter when she was 13, she was married at the time. To a Kansas City Police Officer. The cop had pretty much convinced her parents to give her to him when she was 12. He later disappeared and it was believed that he had been the victim of a mob hit. He was known to be as corrupt and dirty as they come. My uncle’s girlfriend was waiting the 7 years required to declare him dead before collecting on his insurance.

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  • Wow… it was VERY ironic for the author to cite Gov. Cuomo’s “special prosecutor” as an example of how to rein in the cops. No state in the union is a bigger police state than New York, and no state is more corrupt — the leaders of BOTH legislative houses were both convicted of felony corruption within the past month.

    New York was ranked the “least free” of the 50 states for good reason: nearly EVERYTHING is illegal, and cops have complete power.

    For practical purposes, Cuomo’s gun control laws have invalidated the Second, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments. Cuomo’s government has created police databases of nearly everyone and everything, and the law requires that doctors and nurses violate the Federal HIPAA law to send medical information secretly to the State Police for immediate gun confiscation.

    New York City’s “stop and frisk” has pretty much invalidated the Fourth Amendment as well. Mayor Bloomberg publicly called the NYPD his own “private army.” Sadly, he was probably right. Cuomo’s “special prosecutor” for police is merely a political dog-and-pony show to appease the black mobs who went to the streets after the Er9ic Garner death in New York City. That’s all it is.

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  • @joe webb
    police etiquette here. When you are stopped by the police in your car. Keep your hands on the steering wheel where they can be seen. Do not get out of the car.

    Say hello officer (proper mode of address ) and say something like what did I do wrong? Have your ID available and do not give him , or especially her, any shit.

    The gals are always way more nervous. never should have been there in the first place. male cops call them me-tooers.

    Imagine what it is like these days for a cop to approach a car never knowing what the hell can happen. Put yourself in their shoes.

    Joe Webb

    “Say hello officer (proper mode of address ) and say something like what did I do wrong? Have your ID available and do not give him , or especially her, any shit.”

    And what ettiquete are they obligrf to show us?

    “Imagine what it is like these days for a cop to approach a car never knowing what the hell can happen. Put yourself in their shoes.”

    Imagine what it’s like these days to be sitting in a car and wondering if the cop who approaches you is this guy:


    Former Culpeper cop who killed unarmed woman released from jail

    And he ended up serving less than three years for murdering a woman.

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  • @Chopper
    Well, your quite an angry little fellow. I'm sure there's a story behind that kind of spring loaded hostility.

    “Well, your quite an angry little fellow. I’m sure there’s a story behind that kind of spring loaded hostility.”

    What’s the story behind your arrogant disregard of the rights and will of the people whom you (ostensibly) protect? Cops like you are the reason that people increasingly don’t like cops. And they increasingly don’t. Even middle-aged, middle-class white guys are starting to dislike cops. Even women are beginning to. You may be confused by the cop-licking you see on FOX News and all that bullshit about “first-responders”. The primary FOX News demographic are old people. They live in a past that no longer exists. They’re here today, but they’ll be gone tomorrow. Younger people aren’t going to want to pay pensions to corrupt tax-eaters like you.

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  • @Stan D Mute

    well have at it anonymous tough guy.
     
    Haha!! From a semi-literate thug hiding behind a badge that's rich. You're a coward in a gang. Nothing more.

    Well, your quite an angry little fellow. I’m sure there’s a story behind that kind of spring loaded hostility.

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    "Well, your quite an angry little fellow. I’m sure there’s a story behind that kind of spring loaded hostility."

    What's the story behind your arrogant disregard of the rights and will of the people whom you (ostensibly) protect? Cops like you are the reason that people increasingly don't like cops. And they increasingly don't. Even middle-aged, middle-class white guys are starting to dislike cops. Even women are beginning to. You may be confused by the cop-licking you see on FOX News and all that bullshit about "first-responders". The primary FOX News demographic are old people. They live in a past that no longer exists. They're here today, but they'll be gone tomorrow. Younger people aren't going to want to pay pensions to corrupt tax-eaters like you.
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  • police etiquette here. When you are stopped by the police in your car. Keep your hands on the steering wheel where they can be seen. Do not get out of the car.

    Say hello officer (proper mode of address ) and say something like what did I do wrong? Have your ID available and do not give him , or especially her, any shit.

    The gals are always way more nervous. never should have been there in the first place. male cops call them me-tooers.

    Imagine what it is like these days for a cop to approach a car never knowing what the hell can happen. Put yourself in their shoes.

    Joe Webb

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    "Say hello officer (proper mode of address ) and say something like what did I do wrong? Have your ID available and do not give him , or especially her, any shit."

    And what ettiquete are they obligrf to show us?

    "Imagine what it is like these days for a cop to approach a car never knowing what the hell can happen. Put yourself in their shoes."

    Imagine what it's like these days to be sitting in a car and wondering if the cop who approaches you is this guy:


    Former Culpeper cop who killed unarmed woman released from jail

    And he ended up serving less than three years for murdering a woman.

    , @Unapologetic White Man
    When a cop stops me, I put my hands on the steering wheel, and if it's nighttime, I turn on the interior light. When I reach into the glove box for my insurance crap, I'll do it calmly and where they can see what I'm doing.

    I do all this because I don't want to get shot.

    But I do not not address them, and I will certainly not call them "Officer."

    I have the most minimal interaction with them as possible, and if they start asking me bullshit questions such as, "Where are you going so fast?", I ignore them.

    Every semi-free citizen that cares about his rights should video record (or at least audio record) all interactions with cops or any governmental agency.

    Know your rights, and know the law.
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  • kev, rereading your above comment to another member, you could not have been a cop and around the feral inner-city criminal blacks. I know ex cops from SF and Oakland, and they are decent family guys who nevertheless knew how to deal with blacks… you have not had experience with them, that is clear. Joe Webb

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  • @in the middle
    Joe:

    In the big picture, you might be right. However, statistics demonstrate that minorities receive the end of the police stick more often than you, whitey boy. I don't disagree that it might be right that a segment of society is more 'prone' to crime, if you want to believe that. However, police brutality is uncalled for most of the time, and it aggravates the race issue. I am neutral in race issues, and only dislike evil people regardless of who they are, evil is evil. However, you filling ostracized because you believe that the jews are after whites is your personal opinion. If you notice, most cops are white, at least in my neighborhood any ways. They don't bother me, and also I was a cop for 11 yrs, and KNOW how cops target minorities more than whities, believe me. Its just a hush hush thing that as one commentator wrote, 'cops don't tell on cops' so it stay that way, with the John Wayne syndrome, if you know what that means.

    cops ‘target’ blacks cuz blacks do the crime, about 8 times more than whites. Also, the FBI/Justice Dept keeps records of victims’s statements on the race of their attacker. The witness statements correlate at almost 100% with arrests, etc. Probably fewer arrests and convictions of blacks goes on cuz of the shakedowns by black destroyers, and the attacks on the probity of police. etc.

    The only thing a black respects on the street is a shotgun in the hands of a cop. .12 gauge.

    Better go to American Renaissance (Jared Taylor ) and look for the stats. Mexers are doing about 3 times the crime that whites do, but they are not as violent as the blacks. Mexers will do molestation but blacks rape, and blacks do robbery while mexers do burglary.

    All you have to do is go to your own state’s Dept of Justice and look up the crime stats, or go to US Dept of Justice . one problem is that the FBI has traditionally lumped mexer crimes with whites. They have apparently just corrected that within the last year.

    Also, low IQ correlates highly with crime. Black at 85 and mexer at 90 do not help matters. Then, temperament of blacks is much nastier than mexers.

    If you go to international stats of homicide, etc. the browns and blacks are the highest .

    The blacks are particularly bad, which is why cops used to, anyway, just beat the hell out of them to keep them corralled in their own territory. Sunset laws in the South…same thing. Out of town by sunset Willie or you are in trouble.

    It is that simple, will never get better, etc. We have spent 15 trillion on black uplift since 1965. That is about one year’s GDP of the US, or how many year’s GDP of Africa?

    If yu were a cop, you must not have had many blacks around. Joe Webb

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  • What most people fail to recognize is that the Sheriff’s Department are the police elected by the citizens and can be dispatched by the same. However, the standard city, county or State police departments are the police hired by and beholding to a government body of civil servants. Consequently, their actions are vigorously protected and defended by a government apparatus that is far more difficult to reach through the ballot box. Police are becoming the American Stasi and worse yet – they believe themselves to be an extension of the Federal Government. +Local and State officials should be questioned in detail as to how they feel about police powers and be forced to indicate if they prefer the rights of the citizens or defined limitations on policing powers. This should be performed during election campaigns and those who cannot express a coherent answer, need to be shown the door.

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  • @Chopper
    Once again you make my point. Get rid of, or even reduce the number of police? Heavens no! I mean your certainly no anarchist , that's just crazy!.You seem to just want to vent, well have at it anonymous tough guy.

    well have at it anonymous tough guy.

    Haha!! From a semi-literate thug hiding behind a badge that’s rich. You’re a coward in a gang. Nothing more.

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    Well, your quite an angry little fellow. I'm sure there's a story behind that kind of spring loaded hostility.
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  • The purpose of government is the looting of the governed.
    The Filth are merely the thugs who enforce this rule.

    Bunch of corrupt quavering cowards.

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  • @joe webb
    ACLU is a criminal organization run by jews and hostile to the majority of of whites in our country.

    When you need a cop, call a liberal, or a hippie, or a beatnik, or a girl.

    What is overlooked here is that the criminal element is Black and to a lesser degree, Brown.

    My own experience with local cops is that they have not done right by me and my anti-immigrant actions. They are scared of anybody who disrupts the lies of our times. And the brass wants retirement income that usually is right around the corner.

    So because I am smart and rational, I recognize the bind that cops are in.
    And I love the cops. They know about racial realities, and they know what the ACLU is, a bunch of commies, lberals, jews, and other Haters of Whites.

    Joe Webb

    Joe:

    In the big picture, you might be right. However, statistics demonstrate that minorities receive the end of the police stick more often than you, whitey boy. I don’t disagree that it might be right that a segment of society is more ‘prone’ to crime, if you want to believe that. However, police brutality is uncalled for most of the time, and it aggravates the race issue. I am neutral in race issues, and only dislike evil people regardless of who they are, evil is evil. However, you filling ostracized because you believe that the jews are after whites is your personal opinion. If you notice, most cops are white, at least in my neighborhood any ways. They don’t bother me, and also I was a cop for 11 yrs, and KNOW how cops target minorities more than whities, believe me. Its just a hush hush thing that as one commentator wrote, ‘cops don’t tell on cops’ so it stay that way, with the John Wayne syndrome, if you know what that means.

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    cops 'target' blacks cuz blacks do the crime, about 8 times more than whites. Also, the FBI/Justice Dept keeps records of victims's statements on the race of their attacker. The witness statements correlate at almost 100% with arrests, etc. Probably fewer arrests and convictions of blacks goes on cuz of the shakedowns by black destroyers, and the attacks on the probity of police. etc.


    The only thing a black respects on the street is a shotgun in the hands of a cop. .12 gauge.

    Better go to American Renaissance (Jared Taylor ) and look for the stats. Mexers are doing about 3 times the crime that whites do, but they are not as violent as the blacks. Mexers will do molestation but blacks rape, and blacks do robbery while mexers do burglary.

    All you have to do is go to your own state's Dept of Justice and look up the crime stats, or go to US Dept of Justice . one problem is that the FBI has traditionally lumped mexer crimes with whites. They have apparently just corrected that within the last year.

    Also, low IQ correlates highly with crime. Black at 85 and mexer at 90 do not help matters. Then, temperament of blacks is much nastier than mexers.

    If you go to international stats of homicide, etc. the browns and blacks are the highest .

    The blacks are particularly bad, which is why cops used to, anyway, just beat the hell out of them to keep them corralled in their own territory. Sunset laws in the South...same thing. Out of town by sunset Willie or you are in trouble.

    It is that simple, will never get better, etc. We have spent 15 trillion on black uplift since 1965. That is about one year's GDP of the US, or how many year's GDP of Africa?

    If yu were a cop, you must not have had many blacks around. Joe Webb
    , @Unapologetic White Man
    Cops are supposed to go after criminals, so it's only natural that they're going to target blacks and mestizos. Blacks especially have to be put under the thumb, as they are incapable of controlling their behavior, and their behavior is psychopathic.
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  • @Mr. Anon
    "I won’t bother to argue the usual social justice-y anti cop rhetoric in this article, it’s identical to the bilge turned out weekly in Salon et al."

    Yeah, why grapple with facts you cannot dispute.

    "Even in the mists of the most anti cop rhetoric there is always a demand for more cops."

    No there isn't. That demand is drummed up by politicians who are seeking the support of police unions.

    People are really beginning to despise cops because so many of them prove to be corrupt, arrogant pricks, like you.

    Mr. Anon:

    You are correct. I was in law enforcement for 11 years, and I got out after seeing so much anti people cops. The public who pay their salaries, is viewed as the ‘enemy’. Man I hated so many cops who were my fellow officers! They talked like they could shot any one, and get away with it. And don’t they? look at all the shootings of unarmed people and you get the conclusion that it is the case, where cops kill and get away with murder. I only pulled my gun twice in those eleven years, and did not shoot at all. I was trained to use other than deadly force, including the batton, pepper spray, etc. and using deadly force as a last resort, not the first resort as several incidents have shown lately. Also, we were reminded of the Consequences in case of using deadly force unnecessarily. I am glad I got out, because how the police how days looks more like the special forces attacking a foreign adversary rather than the public personnel ‘protecting’ the public. After leaving law enforcement, I worked in Information Technology, and it was the best decision I had taken in my life.

    |p.s. Don’t get me wrong, Law Enforcement is a necessary evil in our society; however, police unions should not cover for the bad apples, but rather remove them as soon as possible, to show to their ‘boss’ the people, that they are serious and competent in the delicate position we have placed them in.

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  • Maybe it’s because I have a criminal past myself, but I’ve grown an immense respect for policemen. The single most important job in society, for the salary of barber, with a general attitude among the populace that you’re a dumb pig, a meat-head, a cowardly loser… and all the other stereotypes of cops out there. Top that off with a glorification/victimization of criminals in media.
    And I wonder how many people here speak from first-hand experience. My experience is that if you behave like an adult, and show basic respect, officers will do the same in return. Out of the million plus (?) police in America, of course there are bound to be some bad apples – but most critique against police is just the same old “stick it to the man”, completely ignoring WHY police officers are on edge, or carry firearms to begin with.
    Maybe I would feel differently if there were moral criminals, or some sort of honor among thieves. But anyone who’s been there can testify that no such thing exist. I’m not American, but in a country where people can buy assault rifles in supermarkets – how exactly should the police be equipped to guarantee monopoly on violence?
    (Sorry for my bad English, and I’m not American myself so perhaps my analysis would be different if I lived there)

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  • I used to support cops and believed the lies about how tough the job was. Fortunately, my eyes have been opened. I now know why people most often kill cops – self defense.

    https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2015/12/los-angeles-deputy-shoots-partner-blames-suspect-both-kill-suspect-in-retaliation/

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  • @WJ
    Cops are bad, blah, blah, blah..... Tiresome twaddle here.

    I have been handcuffed unjustly (working late doing field work in a neighborhood with a serial rapist) and I was released after 30 minutes. Of course it outraged me and I disliked cops for it but the pure, un-arguable fact is that we have to have cops. That is a self evident truth.

    Those cops are a reflection of society , good and bad. I will not belabor those obvious truths.

    I would prefer the cross section of cops to the cross section of the hysterical, un-informed Black Lives Matter movement. Those fools would have us believe that 90 percent of blacks are murdered by cops when in fact it is 90 percent of blacks are murdered by other blacks.

    It's a lousy job. Try pulling a car over at 3 am night after night and not get some kind of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

    “Cops are bad, blah, blah, blah….. Tiresome twaddle here.”

    Cops are necessary, we must support them no matter what they do, blah, blah, blah.

    Now that’s tiresome twaddle.

    “…………the pure, un-arguable fact is that we have to have cops. That is a self evident truth.”

    And one that nobody here is denying, as far as I can tell. Despite the willful misreading of the article and the replies by people like you, and by that nitwit “Chopper”.

    “Those cops are a reflection of society , good and bad. I will not belabor those obvious truths.”

    Bad cops help to make for a bad society. Or should we just not bother to fix problems? Are you cool with the fact that police departments have been legally empowered to act like privateers: that they can collect booty, even booty that has nothing to do with any crimes that may have been committed?

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  • @Chopper
    Once again you make my point. Get rid of, or even reduce the number of police? Heavens no! I mean your certainly no anarchist , that's just crazy!.You seem to just want to vent, well have at it anonymous tough guy.

    “Once again you make my point. Get rid of, or even reduce the number of police? Heavens no! I mean your certainly no anarchist , that’s just crazy!.You seem to just want to vent, well have at it anonymous tough guy.”

    If you think I make your point, it’s only because you’re a stupid bullet-head (why do you guys always seem to go for the byzantine eunuch look anyway?) The only anonymous tough guy here is you.

    Get rid of the police? No. Reduce their numbers? Hell yes. We are over-policed.
    Also, you lazy cops need to work longer to earn your cushy pensions. Who gets to work twenty years and retire on full pension? Your kind always make lots of noise about how dangerous your job is, which is largely a crock. Taxi drivers and pizza delivery men likely have more dangerous jobs than most cops. To the extent that it is dangerous, you often make it so by being stupid – like pulling people over in such a way as to create a traffic hazard.

    But then everyone knows that a lot of cops just aren’t that bright. You’ve given ample evidence of that here.

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  • Boston was disgusting! The trampling of the Constitution by the Morlocks and, worse yet, the Eloi’s clapping and cheering response to their a** rape. Made me sick.

    Cops are not first-responders out there to serve and protect. They are paid revenue-generating-law enforcement goons who give two sh**s about your safety, and are all about keeping a brainless job for 25 years (where their sadistic slant is an asset) until they get their golden pension at an age when most in the private sector still have to look forward to 15-plus more year of work before they could ever consider to retire.

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  • Cops are bad, blah, blah, blah….. Tiresome twaddle here.

    I have been handcuffed unjustly (working late doing field work in a neighborhood with a serial rapist) and I was released after 30 minutes. Of course it outraged me and I disliked cops for it but the pure, un-arguable fact is that we have to have cops. That is a self evident truth.

    Those cops are a reflection of society , good and bad. I will not belabor those obvious truths.

    I would prefer the cross section of cops to the cross section of the hysterical, un-informed Black Lives Matter movement. Those fools would have us believe that 90 percent of blacks are murdered by cops when in fact it is 90 percent of blacks are murdered by other blacks.

    It’s a lousy job. Try pulling a car over at 3 am night after night and not get some kind of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

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    "Cops are bad, blah, blah, blah….. Tiresome twaddle here."

    Cops are necessary, we must support them no matter what they do, blah, blah, blah.

    Now that's tiresome twaddle.

    "............the pure, un-arguable fact is that we have to have cops. That is a self evident truth."

    And one that nobody here is denying, as far as I can tell. Despite the willful misreading of the article and the replies by people like you, and by that nitwit "Chopper".

    "Those cops are a reflection of society , good and bad. I will not belabor those obvious truths."

    Bad cops help to make for a bad society. Or should we just not bother to fix problems? Are you cool with the fact that police departments have been legally empowered to act like privateers: that they can collect booty, even booty that has nothing to do with any crimes that may have been committed?

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  • @Mr. Anon
    "They never promise less cops."

    Hey, you even write like a cop.

    "Maybe all you cop despise-rs can get together and elect someone to run on the platform of ridding society of police, see where that gets you."

    Nobody (who isn't an anarchist anyway) wants to get rid of the police. We just don't want them to have extraordinary powers they ought not to have (like special interrogation protocols, living off booty from their arrests, etc.) and to abide by the Constitution they have sworn to defend. Also, we want them to not act like dicks.

    Your casual contempt of the citizenry bespeaks well of what a valuable public servant you undoubtedly are.

    Once again you make my point. Get rid of, or even reduce the number of police? Heavens no! I mean your certainly no anarchist , that’s just crazy!.You seem to just want to vent, well have at it anonymous tough guy.

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    "Once again you make my point. Get rid of, or even reduce the number of police? Heavens no! I mean your certainly no anarchist , that’s just crazy!.You seem to just want to vent, well have at it anonymous tough guy."

    If you think I make your point, it's only because you're a stupid bullet-head (why do you guys always seem to go for the byzantine eunuch look anyway?) The only anonymous tough guy here is you.

    Get rid of the police? No. Reduce their numbers? Hell yes. We are over-policed.
    Also, you lazy cops need to work longer to earn your cushy pensions. Who gets to work twenty years and retire on full pension? Your kind always make lots of noise about how dangerous your job is, which is largely a crock. Taxi drivers and pizza delivery men likely have more dangerous jobs than most cops. To the extent that it is dangerous, you often make it so by being stupid - like pulling people over in such a way as to create a traffic hazard.

    But then everyone knows that a lot of cops just aren't that bright. You've given ample evidence of that here.
    , @Stan D Mute

    well have at it anonymous tough guy.
     
    Haha!! From a semi-literate thug hiding behind a badge that's rich. You're a coward in a gang. Nothing more.
    , @rumcrook
    You didn't address even one of the honest concerns, there was nothing extreme or anti cop in this statement.
    "Nobody (who isn’t an anarchist anyway) wants to get rid of the police. We just don’t want them to have extraordinary powers they ought not to have (like special interrogation protocols, living off booty from their arrests, etc.) and to abide by the Constitution they have sworn to defend. Also, we want them to not act like dicks"

    All that I see here is a desire from the community that police act like neighbors and part of the community as apposed to acting as a class and caste above and uncountable to the people with special priveleges that allow them to harm citizens with impunity. And I am not a anti police lefty. In fact I think Michael browns killing in Ferguson was justified.
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  • In North America the police are overpaid, mollycoddled, unionized public sector workers with military pretensions; they embody the worst excesses of both sides of the political spectrum.

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  • @Kiza
    I like your nick: Chopper, a kind of says it all. Accordingly, you could not tell the difference between the anti-bad-cop rhetoric and anti-cop rhetoric. Did the article say anywhere that all cops are bad? Is it not understandable that the citizens want good cops only, especially considering the extreme imbalance in power between the cops and the citizens? You wrote that the cop job is dirty, I think everyone would agree. But so is garbage collection, with only a small difference that a garbage collector will not shoot me in the back for running away from him. Considering the authorization to use deadly force on ordinary citizens (legalized killers), the cops should be regulated even more than ordinary citizens, not less. Any society which enables impunity of the police, is a police state, and will eventually collapse no matter how much violence the police dishes out on citizenry. Therefore, this is not really your problem, then the problem of the whole society.

    But I know I would be running around in circles trying to explain these things to you. Soldiers and cops are told what to think and no heresy allowed.

    “But I know I would be running around in circles trying to explain these things to you. Soldiers and cops are told what to think and no heresy allowed.”

    Apparently, a lot of police departments nowadays actually don’t hire applicants who test out as too intelligent. They don’t necessarily want people who think for themselves; they want people who follow orders.

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  • @Stephen R. Diamond
    One aspect of police bonapartism that is almost always ignored is the cops' prerogative to lie to the public. Why are so few citizens bothered?

    See "Authorized Police Prevarication as a Clue to the Nature of the State" - http://juridicalcoherence.blogspot.com/2014/11/250-authorized-police-prevarication-as.html

    “One aspect of police bonapartism that is almost always ignored is the cops’ prerogative to lie to the public. Why are so few citizens bothered?”

    Lying to a federal investigator or even to someone who isn’t, in a matter subject to federal jurisdiction, can get you convicted of a crime and thrown in stir. Of course, those federal investigators reserve the right to lie to you.

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  • @JustJeff
    The most ridiculous part of that affair was that the cops didn't even find the bomber. Some guy found him in his backyard completely by accident after the cops were finished searching door-to-door and having the city locked down for 24 hours. Didn't stop people from shaking their hands when it was all done. When I saw that I knew things had changed. The American people don't give a damn about freedom anymore, liberals or conservatives.

    “Didn’t stop people from shaking their hands when it was all done. When I saw that I knew things had changed. The American people don’t give a damn about freedom anymore, liberals or conservatives.”

    Yeah, that was an eye opener. And it all happened in Boston, almost on the anniversary of Lexington and Concord. As disgusted as I was by the actions of the gestapo police, I was even more disgusted by those idiots fist-pumping and honking at the police in triumph afterwards. Americans seem to have lost that instinctive taste for liberty that used to be considered characteristic of this country.

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  • @chopper
    "Demand is drummed up by politicians who are seeking the support of police unions" makes my point. Its been my experience that politicians like to get reelected. They never promise less cops. Maybe all you cop despise-rs can get together and elect someone to run on the platform of ridding society of police, see where that gets you.

    “They never promise less cops.”

    Hey, you even write like a cop.

    “Maybe all you cop despise-rs can get together and elect someone to run on the platform of ridding society of police, see where that gets you.”

    Nobody (who isn’t an anarchist anyway) wants to get rid of the police. We just don’t want them to have extraordinary powers they ought not to have (like special interrogation protocols, living off booty from their arrests, etc.) and to abide by the Constitution they have sworn to defend. Also, we want them to not act like dicks.

    Your casual contempt of the citizenry bespeaks well of what a valuable public servant you undoubtedly are.

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    Once again you make my point. Get rid of, or even reduce the number of police? Heavens no! I mean your certainly no anarchist , that's just crazy!.You seem to just want to vent, well have at it anonymous tough guy.
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  • @Mr. Anon
    "As a cop ,I take pride in the fact you find cop haters on all sides of the political spectrum."

    Cop haters? That's funny. A lot of the rest of us refer to you cops as "citizen haters".

    By the way, care to try to justify the cop-riot that took place in Newtown, after the Boston Marathon bombing? Columns of armored vehicles rolling down the street, cops rousting people out of their homes at gunpoint and conducting warrantless searches, cops pointing guns at people looking at them from windows. Was all that a "public service"?

    The most ridiculous part of that affair was that the cops didn’t even find the bomber. Some guy found him in his backyard completely by accident after the cops were finished searching door-to-door and having the city locked down for 24 hours. Didn’t stop people from shaking their hands when it was all done. When I saw that I knew things had changed. The American people don’t give a damn about freedom anymore, liberals or conservatives.

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    "Didn’t stop people from shaking their hands when it was all done. When I saw that I knew things had changed. The American people don’t give a damn about freedom anymore, liberals or conservatives."

    Yeah, that was an eye opener. And it all happened in Boston, almost on the anniversary of Lexington and Concord. As disgusted as I was by the actions of the gestapo police, I was even more disgusted by those idiots fist-pumping and honking at the police in triumph afterwards. Americans seem to have lost that instinctive taste for liberty that used to be considered characteristic of this country.
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  • One aspect of police bonapartism that is almost always ignored is the cops’ prerogative to lie to the public. Why are so few citizens bothered?

    See “Authorized Police Prevarication as a Clue to the Nature of the State” – http://juridicalcoherence.blogspot.com/2014/11/250-authorized-police-prevarication-as.html

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    "One aspect of police bonapartism that is almost always ignored is the cops’ prerogative to lie to the public. Why are so few citizens bothered?"

    Lying to a federal investigator or even to someone who isn't, in a matter subject to federal jurisdiction, can get you convicted of a crime and thrown in stir. Of course, those federal investigators reserve the right to lie to you.
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  • Combine stagnant wages a tough job market with aggressive policing and excessively high fines for petty infractions, you get a boiling seething resentment. Government has nobody to blame but themselves.

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  • Things have changed in the last 60 years, not for the better and a lot of it due to organizations like ACLU. The police used to feel they were part of the local community whose job it was to protect the community from anti-social types. They treated the anti-socials pretty roughly as an outgroup, as law keepers been wont to do for as long as they have existed.

    Humans being humans, there were always lawbreakers who otherwise conformed with visible social norms, and law-abiding people who just didn’t conform to social norms. This created a kind of social dissonance that was vulnerable to attack. The ACLU would have us believe that their interest in attacking the bond between police and the dominant social structure has been justice. There are others who believe that their interest has been the breakdown of that dominant social structure.

    Arguments about motives aside, what is clear to me is that the police have been transformed. They no longer see themselves as part of law-abiding society, but as a separate entity, and essentially ALL civilians as outsiders. This is another of the many things that are eroding our consensual society.

    Not hard to predict where it is going.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

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  • This touches on whether or not public employees should be allowed to unionize. But that’s of course something Mr. ACLU won’t touch with a ten foot pole.

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  • @Chopper
    As a cop ,I take pride in the fact you find cop haters on all sides of the political spectrum. There's a kind of nobility to it. I won't bother to argue the usual social justice-y anti cop rhetoric in this article, it's identical to the bilge turned out weekly in Salon et al. I'll just make one point, policing is essentially a dirty job that people are more than willing to pay someone else to do. No one is forcing police on the public, the vast majority of police are hired and payed for by the most local of governments, citys and counties. Even in the mists of the most anti cop rhetoric there is always a demand for more cops.

    I like your nick: Chopper, a kind of says it all. Accordingly, you could not tell the difference between the anti-bad-cop rhetoric and anti-cop rhetoric. Did the article say anywhere that all cops are bad? Is it not understandable that the citizens want good cops only, especially considering the extreme imbalance in power between the cops and the citizens? You wrote that the cop job is dirty, I think everyone would agree. But so is garbage collection, with only a small difference that a garbage collector will not shoot me in the back for running away from him. Considering the authorization to use deadly force on ordinary citizens (legalized killers), the cops should be regulated even more than ordinary citizens, not less. Any society which enables impunity of the police, is a police state, and will eventually collapse no matter how much violence the police dishes out on citizenry. Therefore, this is not really your problem, then the problem of the whole society.

    But I know I would be running around in circles trying to explain these things to you. Soldiers and cops are told what to think and no heresy allowed.

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    "But I know I would be running around in circles trying to explain these things to you. Soldiers and cops are told what to think and no heresy allowed."

    Apparently, a lot of police departments nowadays actually don't hire applicants who test out as too intelligent. They don't necessarily want people who think for themselves; they want people who follow orders.
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  • @anonymous

    But, I still haven’t got the stink of crooked cop out of my nostrils.
     
    Back in the old days, 60's and before, the police in Chicago were notoriously crooked. Bars had to pay monthly 'protection' based on estimated income to police bagmen who came around to collect. Other businesses were also shook down. The police district commanders would get the money and then distribute it amongst the district police. They would vie to become a district commander for the purpose of getting all that graft. Things aren't like that anymore but it shows what happens when there's inadequate oversight and control. Of course nowadays they still have the 'no snitching' practice among themselves.

    Yeah, I learned more than I ever wanted to about a local zillionaire who has his hooks into just about every institution and every political player in my area. They’re dumb enough to think they haven’t had their balls snipped off. They don’t care that their balls have been snipped off.

    In my area we’ve had numerous prosecutions of local law enforcement officers, judges, prosecutors, and other officials. FBI transcripts of wiretaps have been published in my local paper. Justice for sale, pay to play, cops working for the Mob and drug-dealing black gangsters. There’s no nuance.

    Thanks for your reply.

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  • ACLU is a criminal organization run by jews and hostile to the majority of of whites in our country.

    When you need a cop, call a liberal, or a hippie, or a beatnik, or a girl.

    What is overlooked here is that the criminal element is Black and to a lesser degree, Brown.

    My own experience with local cops is that they have not done right by me and my anti-immigrant actions. They are scared of anybody who disrupts the lies of our times. And the brass wants retirement income that usually is right around the corner.

    So because I am smart and rational, I recognize the bind that cops are in.
    And I love the cops. They know about racial realities, and they know what the ACLU is, a bunch of commies, lberals, jews, and other Haters of Whites.

    Joe Webb

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    Joe:

    In the big picture, you might be right. However, statistics demonstrate that minorities receive the end of the police stick more often than you, whitey boy. I don't disagree that it might be right that a segment of society is more 'prone' to crime, if you want to believe that. However, police brutality is uncalled for most of the time, and it aggravates the race issue. I am neutral in race issues, and only dislike evil people regardless of who they are, evil is evil. However, you filling ostracized because you believe that the jews are after whites is your personal opinion. If you notice, most cops are white, at least in my neighborhood any ways. They don't bother me, and also I was a cop for 11 yrs, and KNOW how cops target minorities more than whities, believe me. Its just a hush hush thing that as one commentator wrote, 'cops don't tell on cops' so it stay that way, with the John Wayne syndrome, if you know what that means.
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  • @Mr. Anon
    "I won’t bother to argue the usual social justice-y anti cop rhetoric in this article, it’s identical to the bilge turned out weekly in Salon et al."

    Yeah, why grapple with facts you cannot dispute.

    "Even in the mists of the most anti cop rhetoric there is always a demand for more cops."

    No there isn't. That demand is drummed up by politicians who are seeking the support of police unions.

    People are really beginning to despise cops because so many of them prove to be corrupt, arrogant pricks, like you.

    “Demand is drummed up by politicians who are seeking the support of police unions” makes my point. Its been my experience that politicians like to get reelected. They never promise less cops. Maybe all you cop despise-rs can get together and elect someone to run on the platform of ridding society of police, see where that gets you.

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    "They never promise less cops."

    Hey, you even write like a cop.

    "Maybe all you cop despise-rs can get together and elect someone to run on the platform of ridding society of police, see where that gets you."

    Nobody (who isn't an anarchist anyway) wants to get rid of the police. We just don't want them to have extraordinary powers they ought not to have (like special interrogation protocols, living off booty from their arrests, etc.) and to abide by the Constitution they have sworn to defend. Also, we want them to not act like dicks.

    Your casual contempt of the citizenry bespeaks well of what a valuable public servant you undoubtedly are.

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  • The Police State is here to stay. The time to do something about it was waaaay back at the beginning of the War On Drugs. What once was our constitution is stone cold dead. Our political class at the federal level (dirt bag traitors) have refused and are refusing to enforce the law (the constitution). The Democratic and Republican political parties are a front for the criminal gang (Oligarchy – Deep State – Moneyed Interests) that finds the rule of law inconvenient. If you are still supporting these legacy parties you are supporting the Police State.

    I often hear references to the abject political ignorance of the American electorate. The 40% who don’t vote (see link) are relatively blameless. It’s the 60% who continuously endorse and return to power the traitorous D’s and R’s who need to learn the first rule of holes.

    http://www.statisticbrain.com/voting-statistics/

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @JackOH
    Thanks, Matthew. Back in the 1930s, my Dad was a police cadet before making a first career of the military. I have his law 'n' order genes. But, in late middle age, I discovered a sub-species of law enforcement officer--the crooked cop.

    One of them gave me a very minor rough-up after I'd published stuff that appeared to offend a local Mr. Big. His reward, I can only guess, was a cushy government job in an institution in which Mr. Big enjoys significant influence. I kept on writing and publishing, but I was pretty damned scared for a long while. I could forget about pursuing legal action against this piece-of-dung cop. A criminal complaint would have me up against the thin blue line, and a civil action would have been a money proposition.

    Another very senior cop I knew to a certainty was on two full-time government payrolls at the same time. He pretty much admitted to me in a joking way he'd been scolded by a local judge for attempted jury tampering, although he didn't phrase it that way, and he was too dim or arrogant to care that I knew his actions were probably illegal.

    Do we need cops? Sure. Are most cops okay? Sure. We need guys willing to do traffic stops at 3:00 A. M. But, I still haven't got the stink of crooked cop out of my nostrils.

    But, I still haven’t got the stink of crooked cop out of my nostrils.

    Back in the old days, 60′s and before, the police in Chicago were notoriously crooked. Bars had to pay monthly ‘protection’ based on estimated income to police bagmen who came around to collect. Other businesses were also shook down. The police district commanders would get the money and then distribute it amongst the district police. They would vie to become a district commander for the purpose of getting all that graft. Things aren’t like that anymore but it shows what happens when there’s inadequate oversight and control. Of course nowadays they still have the ‘no snitching’ practice among themselves.

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    Yeah, I learned more than I ever wanted to about a local zillionaire who has his hooks into just about every institution and every political player in my area. They're dumb enough to think they haven't had their balls snipped off. They don't care that their balls have been snipped off.

    In my area we've had numerous prosecutions of local law enforcement officers, judges, prosecutors, and other officials. FBI transcripts of wiretaps have been published in my local paper. Justice for sale, pay to play, cops working for the Mob and drug-dealing black gangsters. There's no nuance.

    Thanks for your reply.
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  • “As a cop ,I take pride in the fact you find cop haters on all sides of the political spectrum.”

    Cop haters? That’s funny. A lot of the rest of us refer to you cops as “citizen haters”.

    By the way, care to try to justify the cop-riot that took place in Newtown, after the Boston Marathon bombing? Columns of armored vehicles rolling down the street, cops rousting people out of their homes at gunpoint and conducting warrantless searches, cops pointing guns at people looking at them from windows. Was all that a “public service”?

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    The most ridiculous part of that affair was that the cops didn't even find the bomber. Some guy found him in his backyard completely by accident after the cops were finished searching door-to-door and having the city locked down for 24 hours. Didn't stop people from shaking their hands when it was all done. When I saw that I knew things had changed. The American people don't give a damn about freedom anymore, liberals or conservatives.
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  • “In August, for instance, Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu sent a fundraising email to his supporters using the imagined peril of the ACLU lawsuit as clickbait. In justifying civil forfeiture, he failed to mention that a huge portion of the money goes to enrich his own department, but praised the program in this fashion:”

    Babeu, a (formerly closeted) homosexual, may also have abused his power by threatening to have his former lover deported.

    Deportation threat

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  • @Chopper
    As a cop ,I take pride in the fact you find cop haters on all sides of the political spectrum. There's a kind of nobility to it. I won't bother to argue the usual social justice-y anti cop rhetoric in this article, it's identical to the bilge turned out weekly in Salon et al. I'll just make one point, policing is essentially a dirty job that people are more than willing to pay someone else to do. No one is forcing police on the public, the vast majority of police are hired and payed for by the most local of governments, citys and counties. Even in the mists of the most anti cop rhetoric there is always a demand for more cops.

    “I won’t bother to argue the usual social justice-y anti cop rhetoric in this article, it’s identical to the bilge turned out weekly in Salon et al.”

    Yeah, why grapple with facts you cannot dispute.

    “Even in the mists of the most anti cop rhetoric there is always a demand for more cops.”

    No there isn’t. That demand is drummed up by politicians who are seeking the support of police unions.

    People are really beginning to despise cops because so many of them prove to be corrupt, arrogant pricks, like you.

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    "Demand is drummed up by politicians who are seeking the support of police unions" makes my point. Its been my experience that politicians like to get reelected. They never promise less cops. Maybe all you cop despise-rs can get together and elect someone to run on the platform of ridding society of police, see where that gets you.
    , @in the middle
    Mr. Anon:

    You are correct. I was in law enforcement for 11 years, and I got out after seeing so much anti people cops. The public who pay their salaries, is viewed as the 'enemy'. Man I hated so many cops who were my fellow officers! They talked like they could shot any one, and get away with it. And don't they? look at all the shootings of unarmed people and you get the conclusion that it is the case, where cops kill and get away with murder. I only pulled my gun twice in those eleven years, and did not shoot at all. I was trained to use other than deadly force, including the batton, pepper spray, etc. and using deadly force as a last resort, not the first resort as several incidents have shown lately. Also, we were reminded of the Consequences in case of using deadly force unnecessarily. I am glad I got out, because how the police how days looks more like the special forces attacking a foreign adversary rather than the public personnel 'protecting' the public. After leaving law enforcement, I worked in Information Technology, and it was the best decision I had taken in my life.

    |p.s. Don't get me wrong, Law Enforcement is a necessary evil in our society; however, police unions should not cover for the bad apples, but rather remove them as soon as possible, to show to their 'boss' the people, that they are serious and competent in the delicate position we have placed them in.
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  • KA [AKA "Carthage"] says:

    In America ,everything has been turned on its head . Cops or , religious figures , neurosurgeons or the small town bankers or the academic – none are immune,none are safe,none feel the same loyalty or owe same responsiblity that one generations ago,their members used to feel or embody Cops are the product of post 911 zeitgeist actively promoted,encouraged,and anointed to move in one particular direction . America, today,there is only one virtue that it allows- hatred ,vile,anti,south,and entitlement Trump can’t go wrong by hating . So is MCCain or Bohener or Cheney or Boykin .
    Language and emotions are same . Target is different . Context is altered but the essence of the context is same – America is always fighting bad people . Every force in its arsenal has to join including cop,public,students,teachers,traders and consumers.
    . Everybody is supposed to do according to what the empire wants.
    A new situation one newly constructed reality out of haze,anger,fog,uncertainty,and temptations of revenge following decades of honing an harping of good vs evil ,democracy vs nazi/ communism,good vs terrorism and open vs closed economy or societies are also creating virtual world of evil forces inside and within America.
    Are we supposed to be surprised!

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  • As a cop ,I take pride in the fact you find cop haters on all sides of the political spectrum. There’s a kind of nobility to it. I won’t bother to argue the usual social justice-y anti cop rhetoric in this article, it’s identical to the bilge turned out weekly in Salon et al. I’ll just make one point, policing is essentially a dirty job that people are more than willing to pay someone else to do. No one is forcing police on the public, the vast majority of police are hired and payed for by the most local of governments, citys and counties. Even in the mists of the most anti cop rhetoric there is always a demand for more cops.

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    "I won’t bother to argue the usual social justice-y anti cop rhetoric in this article, it’s identical to the bilge turned out weekly in Salon et al."

    Yeah, why grapple with facts you cannot dispute.

    "Even in the mists of the most anti cop rhetoric there is always a demand for more cops."

    No there isn't. That demand is drummed up by politicians who are seeking the support of police unions.

    People are really beginning to despise cops because so many of them prove to be corrupt, arrogant pricks, like you.

    , @Kiza
    I like your nick: Chopper, a kind of says it all. Accordingly, you could not tell the difference between the anti-bad-cop rhetoric and anti-cop rhetoric. Did the article say anywhere that all cops are bad? Is it not understandable that the citizens want good cops only, especially considering the extreme imbalance in power between the cops and the citizens? You wrote that the cop job is dirty, I think everyone would agree. But so is garbage collection, with only a small difference that a garbage collector will not shoot me in the back for running away from him. Considering the authorization to use deadly force on ordinary citizens (legalized killers), the cops should be regulated even more than ordinary citizens, not less. Any society which enables impunity of the police, is a police state, and will eventually collapse no matter how much violence the police dishes out on citizenry. Therefore, this is not really your problem, then the problem of the whole society.

    But I know I would be running around in circles trying to explain these things to you. Soldiers and cops are told what to think and no heresy allowed.
    , @Linda
    Anti-cop? How about pro-accountability? I would think, as a cop (IF you are a "good" cop, which I think is a mythical creature) ... you would WANT your colleagues held accountable. After all, they are giving you a bad name.
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  • The correct heading should had been “Living Under Israelized Police”.

    American journalist, Max Blumenthal has claimed that American internal securities have long been Israelized. The pro-Israel Jewish lobby groups ADL, AJC, and others are on record of sending police and military officials to Israel for “counter-mob” training. Israeli military officials are also sponsored by Pentagon and FBI to provide training for the so-called “counter-terrorism” – because who else would know to fight terrorism than a terrorist.

    On March 11, 2003, American Muslim civil liberties groups issued report on violation of constitutional rights of Muslims. It listed how pro-Israel police officials’ illegal activities are harming the Muslim community at religious and social level. After conducting spying operation Muslim preachers at dozens of mosques, both Bloomberg and Kelly admitted that NYPD could not find a single proof that American Muslims were involved in terrorist activities against fellow Americans. The illegal spying operations against Muslim were first revealed in 2011.

    http://rehmat1.com/2013/06/19/civil-rights-groups-sue-jewish-mayor-and-nypd/

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  • If I were a policeman I would want the TV program “Cops” taken of the air. It shown cops lording it over the bad guys. That is the purpose of the program. Among a very small segment of the populate this is red meat for cop hating that leads to confrontations that lead to someone dying, sometimes cops. We can be sure that there are dead cops because of that program.

    Like it or not there is a significant segment of the police population who come to work with a Seal Team 6 wannabe attitude. No question, there are cops that crave the action that leads to death. They must be weeded out.

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  • As is the case for bad conduct by members of other protected groups, whose outrageous acts have here-to-fore been covered up or under reported, Youtube and cell phone cameras are changing everything. A few posts by disgusted witnesses, and the pattern becomes undeniable.

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  • Thanks, Matthew. Back in the 1930s, my Dad was a police cadet before making a first career of the military. I have his law ‘n’ order genes. But, in late middle age, I discovered a sub-species of law enforcement officer–the crooked cop.

    One of them gave me a very minor rough-up after I’d published stuff that appeared to offend a local Mr. Big. His reward, I can only guess, was a cushy government job in an institution in which Mr. Big enjoys significant influence. I kept on writing and publishing, but I was pretty damned scared for a long while. I could forget about pursuing legal action against this piece-of-dung cop. A criminal complaint would have me up against the thin blue line, and a civil action would have been a money proposition.

    Another very senior cop I knew to a certainty was on two full-time government payrolls at the same time. He pretty much admitted to me in a joking way he’d been scolded by a local judge for attempted jury tampering, although he didn’t phrase it that way, and he was too dim or arrogant to care that I knew his actions were probably illegal.

    Do we need cops? Sure. Are most cops okay? Sure. We need guys willing to do traffic stops at 3:00 A. M. But, I still haven’t got the stink of crooked cop out of my nostrils.

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    But, I still haven’t got the stink of crooked cop out of my nostrils.
     
    Back in the old days, 60's and before, the police in Chicago were notoriously crooked. Bars had to pay monthly 'protection' based on estimated income to police bagmen who came around to collect. Other businesses were also shook down. The police district commanders would get the money and then distribute it amongst the district police. They would vie to become a district commander for the purpose of getting all that graft. Things aren't like that anymore but it shows what happens when there's inadequate oversight and control. Of course nowadays they still have the 'no snitching' practice among themselves.
    , @Michelle
    When I was 15, I went to live with my uncle in Kansas City. His girlfriend at the time was an exquisitely beautiful woman of 28 years. She had a 15 year old daughter. She used to joke that although she had given birth to her daughter when she was 13, she was married at the time. To a Kansas City Police Officer. The cop had pretty much convinced her parents to give her to him when she was 12. He later disappeared and it was believed that he had been the victim of a mob hit. He was known to be as corrupt and dirty as they come. My uncle's girlfriend was waiting the 7 years required to declare him dead before collecting on his insurance.
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  • Just like in George Orwell’s Animal Farm, everyone is equal, but some are more equal than the others:

    1) Unlike a member of the public, the officer gets a ‘cooling off’ period before he has to respond to any questions.
    2) Unlike a member of the public, the officer under investigation is privy to the names of his complainants and their testimony against him before he is ever interrogated.
    3) Unlike a member of the public, the officer under investigation is to be interrogated ‘at a reasonable hour,’ with a union member present.
    4) Unlike a member of the public, the officer can only be questioned by one person during his interrogation.
    5) Unlike a member of the public, the officer can be interrogated only ‘for reasonable periods,’ which ‘shall be timed to allow for such personal necessities and rest periods as are reasonably necessary.’
    6) Unlike a member of the public, the officer under investigation cannot be ‘threatened with disciplinary action’ at any point during his interrogation. If he is threatened with punishment, whatever he says following the threat cannot be used against him.

    Just imagine the rules which apply to the privileged, if these are the rules for their servants – the police.

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    What are you talking about? A member of the public does not have to answer any questions at all or participate in an interrogation.
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  • Jason Westcott was afraid. One night last fall, he discovered via Facebook that a friend of a friend was planning with some co-conspirators to break in to his home. They were intent on stealing Wescott's handgun and a couple of TV sets. According to the Facebook message, the suspect was planning on “burning” Westcott, who...
  • Author states: “SWAT teams, it seems, have a disturbing record of disproportionately applying their specialized skill set within communities of color.”

    This conclusion is not justified from the data presented, as it draws a conclusion about absolute numbers from proportions alone (white=38% v. non-white=68%, of separate totals).

    Please also always point to your sources of raw data. Thank you.

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