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    At this point I want everybody to forget the assassination of JFK because it’s too far back in time for even Boomers to remember many of the details. Forget 9/11 because we’ll never see the documents highlighting the entire story for decades to come. And pretty much forget the Michael Brown saga (just put it...
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    Suspect in Charlottesville car attack faces new first-degree murder charge

    Young also testified that he was among the first officers to respond to the scene where Fields pulled over. No weapon was found in the car, he said.

    Lunsford asked the detective what Fields said as he was being detained.

    Fields said he was sorry and asked if people were OK, according to Young. When Fields was told someone had died, he appeared shocked and sobbed, Young said.
     

    - http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-james-alex-fields-charlottesville-20171214-story.html

    James Fields is Innocent!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yotV_RcpzY

    Jason Kessler
    Published on Dec 14, 2017
    I was in court for all the Fields, Goodwin, Preston & Ramos cases from Unite the Right. With new details about the car accident never released anywhere else.

    I sure as hell hope James Field is not relying on Jason Kessler as a witness to keep him out of prison for the rest of his life, because Kessler is an incoherent loser.

    btw, keep that waving hand out of the frame. It looks like you are swatting flies.

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  • @Jim Christian
    It publishes that which the MSM WON'T publish. Who KNEW from WashPost that this (as originally depicted) tender waif of a lass was actually 400 pounds of violent SJW leftist-Democrat Antifa blubber? The original story was a group of Pretty Little Lies. Stunning to you that the truth of this ham-planet should come out, but there we have it. Never get that truth from WashPost or your beloved NYTimes.

    not 400 pounds.

    265 to 290, 325 tops (Take Off Pounds Safely :) ) is closer to reality.

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  • A group of agressive leftfashist with baseball bats attacked the driver of the car, who was driving in self defence through the leftist terrorist mob.

    As you can see in many videos on youtube showing different viewpoints, there was a thin little lesbian in short skirt weaponed with a baseball bat trying to attack the car driver along with other left terrorist scumbags. The sexual frustrated abortion loving lesbian was hit by the car her vagina was squeezed a little bit between a standing car nearby.

    Anyway, Next time it should be a Scania Truck

    If you wanna kill leftfashist do it like ISIS

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  • Like Marcus Cicero, I was at the Charlottesville rally. There were no known “crisis actors” there.

    I’m an RN, and a League of the South member and officer. I treated the rally participant on the good side for his serious head wound caused by the negro thug, DeAndre Harris. Harris was stopped by courageous men, who have been charged with a crime. Self defense and defense of others isn’t a crime in most places, but in the neo-bolshevik government of Charlottesville, defense of others is apparently a crime.

    Despite the fact that Heather Heyer was an active participant of ANTIFA criminality, the driver of the car that never touched her has been charged with first degree murder for her death by natural causes. The real facts are that Heather Heyer was one nasty piece of work.

    Such is the bizarre actions of the neo-bolsheviks.

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  • @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    So, St. Heather Heyer died of a heart attack. Unusual in a 32-year-old, but she may have had a bad heart due to morbid obesity.

    It's one thing to criticize Jews and I have done that. There are many legitimate criticisms and negative observations of Jews and their actions. But this article goes overboard and seems to have been written by a neo-Nazi. I think that Unz, of all people, should avoid that. It's a splendid website that I visit everyday and I don't want it taken off the net.

    “Neo-nazis” are a Jewish invention.
    EVERYBODY on both sides in Charlottesville was drawing a Jew paycheck.
    Let’s be more concerned about Neo-soviets, who continue to be the great murderers of the world.

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  • @FKA Max
    Making of a Murderer: Charlottesville

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYBIaKWef3U

    Published on Aug 27, 2017

    TLDR: USA government and media are full of shit, again. It's time for shitlibs who love submitting to them to have one nation, and the white people they hate to have another nation.

    The Cathedral Stands Up

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzwf4oIAvU0

    Millennial Woes
    Published on Sep 5, 2017

    [This video is not intended to condone violence or hate.]

    Suspect in Charlottesville car attack faces new first-degree murder charge

    Young also testified that he was among the first officers to respond to the scene where Fields pulled over. No weapon was found in the car, he said.

    Lunsford asked the detective what Fields said as he was being detained.

    Fields said he was sorry and asked if people were OK, according to Young. When Fields was told someone had died, he appeared shocked and sobbed, Young said.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-james-alex-fields-charlottesville-20171214-story.html

    James Fields is Innocent!

    Jason Kessler
    Published on Dec 14, 2017
    I was in court for all the Fields, Goodwin, Preston & Ramos cases from Unite the Right. With new details about the car accident never released anywhere else.

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    I sure as hell hope James Field is not relying on Jason Kessler as a witness to keep him out of prison for the rest of his life, because Kessler is an incoherent loser.

    btw, keep that waving hand out of the frame. It looks like you are swatting flies.
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  • @Simple Joe
    I looked at your photo. I assume you're claiming Heyer was hit directly by the car, rather than by intervening people.
    https://imgur.com/a/ycWgY

    I see a plump white face over what appears to be a black shirt. There are no glasses, ponytail, or indication of gender. It may or may not be Heyer. Over the black shirt I see what looks like a flying white water bottle. Just under that is what appears to be a patch of very light blue cloth that can only be another person, perhaps their back or rear end (blue jeans?). That person is clearly between the black shirt and the Challenger. Directly in front of the black clad person is an airborne man with a tattoo on his back.

    - I suggest that your black clad person was hit by the person in blue jeans and the tattooed man, not by the Challenger. Note that camera perspective in your photo may give an illusion of closeness.

    Check out this photo. I counted at least twenty white people wearing black shirts, many of them quite large. Black was popular that day.
    https://therepublicanstandard.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/636381463186554398-car-attack.jpg

    Check out this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKZqG1T07cs

    The first frame is key. You can see the tattooed man directly to the right of the car, rolling on the ground. His tattoo is faintly visible on his back. There is a person with blue jeans and a black top rolling on the street about six feet further down. I think they're too slender to be the black clad person in your photo, but may be the owner of the light blue jeans.

    The red circle highlights a large white person in a black top falling to the ground just after the initial impact. They are at least ten feet further forward and considerably to the front and right of the Challenger. The first frame shows a large gap in front of the Challenger, you can see light and shadows under the bumper.

    - In order for the black clad person to fly so far, they must have been lifted into the air by the feet of the tattooed man and/or the jean clad person. That's hard to imagine. Either way, they were not hit directly by the car.

    But I agree it's important to avoid final conclusions.

    Thank you very much for your feedback.

    What convinced me were the two comments in this comment thread by commenter “Objective Observer”, here:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2001166

    and here:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2001310

    I looked at your photo. I assume you’re claiming Heyer was hit directly by the car, rather than by intervening people.

    Yes that is my claim and conclusion, but the photos were only a confirmation of what I had already concluded before her location had been when she was hit by the Dodge from watching the video that “Objective Observer” had shared.

    Here in this photo you can see the top part of her head/face looking right at the Dodge just before impact, and she is wearing glasses, etc. More details here: https://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2008599

    Also, another important article and comments thread on the Charlottesville incident and event, for any new readers of this comments thread: http://www.unz.com/article/anarcho-tyranny-update/#comment-2027101

    I hope this information can assist you in gaining more clarity and understanding for yourself on what exactly transpired during those tragic and fateful seconds on that day in Charlottesville.

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  • I looked at your photo. I assume you’re claiming Heyer was hit directly by the car, rather than by intervening people.

    https://imgur.com/a/ycWgY

    I see a plump white face over what appears to be a black shirt. There are no glasses, ponytail, or indication of gender. It may or may not be Heyer. Over the black shirt I see what looks like a flying white water bottle. Just under that is what appears to be a patch of very light blue cloth that can only be another person, perhaps their back or rear end (blue jeans?). That person is clearly between the black shirt and the Challenger. Directly in front of the black clad person is an airborne man with a tattoo on his back.

    - I suggest that your black clad person was hit by the person in blue jeans and the tattooed man, not by the Challenger. Note that camera perspective in your photo may give an illusion of closeness.

    Check out this photo. I counted at least twenty white people wearing black shirts, many of them quite large. Black was popular that day.

    Check out this video.

    The first frame is key. You can see the tattooed man directly to the right of the car, rolling on the ground. His tattoo is faintly visible on his back. There is a person with blue jeans and a black top rolling on the street about six feet further down. I think they’re too slender to be the black clad person in your photo, but may be the owner of the light blue jeans.

    The red circle highlights a large white person in a black top falling to the ground just after the initial impact. They are at least ten feet further forward and considerably to the front and right of the Challenger. The first frame shows a large gap in front of the Challenger, you can see light and shadows under the bumper.

    - In order for the black clad person to fly so far, they must have been lifted into the air by the feet of the tattooed man and/or the jean clad person. That’s hard to imagine. Either way, they were not hit directly by the car.

    But I agree it’s important to avoid final conclusions.

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    Thank you very much for your feedback.

    What convinced me were the two comments in this comment thread by commenter ``Objective Observer'', here:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2001166

    and here:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2001310

    I looked at your photo. I assume you’re claiming Heyer was hit directly by the car, rather than by intervening people.
     
    Yes that is my claim and conclusion, but the photos were only a confirmation of what I had already concluded before her location had been when she was hit by the Dodge from watching the video that ``Objective Observer'' had shared.

    Here in this photo you can see the top part of her head/face looking right at the Dodge just before impact, and she is wearing glasses, etc. More details here: https://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2008599

    http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170815115617-04-ryan-kelly-charlottesville-restricted-exlarge-169.jpg

    Also, another important article and comments thread on the Charlottesville incident and event, for any new readers of this comments thread: http://www.unz.com/article/anarcho-tyranny-update/#comment-2027101

    I hope this information can assist you in gaining more clarity and understanding for yourself on what exactly transpired during those tragic and fateful seconds on that day in Charlottesville.
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  • @FKA Max
    I just left a comment on Mr. Stix's blog http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2017/09/riding-whirlwind-in-world-of-breaking.html quoting and linking to this comment. It is currently still in the moderation stage:

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    FKA Max said…

    Mr. Stix,

    I just commented on your article over at Unz.com:
    [...]
    Saturday, September 30, 2017 at 2:38:00 PM EDT

    http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2017/09/riding-whirlwind-in-world-of-breaking.html?showComment=1506796728192#c3994226027780176084

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    UPDATE & CORRECTION! Heather Heyer WAS apparently hit by the car. @BrockenJr at Gab.ai & Hunter Wallace of OccidentalDissent found her. The vid is apparently AFTER she rolled off hood. https://imgur.com/a/ycWgY

    Archived link: http://archive.is/4Ss0X
     
    VDare just published a good update on the Charlottesville incident and event, but they are making/repeating the false claim in it that Heather Heyer was not hit by the car:

    Anarcho-Tyranny Update: Mounting Proof That The Charlottesville Five Are Political Prisoners


    Given Heather Heyer’s mother’s revelation that her (morbidly obese) daughter had died, not of blunt force trauma but from a heart attack [NBC interview, August 19, 2017] find out what Heyer’s autopsy determined, and what effect that would have on the charges against car driver James Alex Fields Jr. (whom VDARE.com’s James Kirkpatrick has already suggested may be the next George Zimmerman. Subsequent video evidence appears to show that Heyer was not hit by the car at all).
     
    - http://www.vdare.com/articles/anarcho-tyranny-update-mounting-proof-that-the-charlottesville-five-are-political-prisoners

    If anyone associated with VDare is reading this comment, please let them know about this error/mistake, because this could be damaging to their reputation and credibility if they keep repeating this false claim.

    Thank you.

    I just left a comment on Mr. Stix’s blog http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2017/09/riding-whirlwind-in-world-of-breaking.html quoting and linking to this comment. It is currently still in the moderation stage:

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    FKA Max said...

    Mr. Stix,

    I just commented on your article over at Unz.com:
    [...]
    Saturday, September 30, 2017 at 2:38:00 PM EDT
     
    - http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2017/09/riding-whirlwind-in-world-of-breaking.html?showComment=1506796728192#c3994226027780176084
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  • @FKA Max
    The creator of the ``Making of a Murderer: Charlottesville'' video issued a correction and update today, since he had claimed and assumed in several of his videos, that Heather Heyer was never hit by James Fields' car:

    UPDATE & CORRECTION! Heather Heyer WAS apparently hit by the car. @BrockenJr at Gab.ai & Hunter Wallace of OccidentalDissent found her. The vid is apparently AFTER she rolled off hood. https://imgur.com/a/ycWgY
     
    Archived link: http://archive.is/4Ss0X

    Picture origin:

    The source seems credible and legit:
    [...]
    – http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/charlottesville-car-photo/index.html
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2008599

    This fact was actually discussed in this comment thread a couple of days ago already, see here:

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4a0_1504662541 (this video shows where Heather was prior to being hit)

    Not a troll. Just trying to ascertain the facts as accurately as possible.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2001310

    From close observation, which you can do yourself, it is plain to see that at one point in time, just before the gray car rams the protesters, Heather is at the end of the bed of a black pickup truck. Then, just seconds later, the gray car smashes through, and Heather is twenty feet behind the same pickup on the ground. The only way for her to travel 30 or 40 feet in seconds would be if she was hit by the moving car and moved from her original location to the spot where she ended up. Any such contact could be seriously damaging to a person, especially a person who was not in very good physical shape. Receiving a serious injury could lead to the onset of a heart attack as serious physical trauma often has such consequences.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2001166

    Furthermore, Brown et al., examined the effects of obesity on trauma outcomes in severely injured patients and reported patients with obesity experienced longer hospitalisation, more complications, and increased risk of mortality (OR 1.6; 95%CI, 1.0—2.3)[11].
    Other than mortality, studies have also reported that trauma patients with morbid obesity are at greater risk of acute respiratory failure, acute renal failure, multiple organ failure, pneumonia,
    thrombosis and urinary tract infections [12].
    [...]
    Even though Heather Heyer had the advantage of younger age (she was 32 years old I believe) and the accident (or intentional attack?) was a “low-to-moderate speed” impact crash, her being severely overweight probably put her at a much higher risk of mortality in this situation than other participants in the protest
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2006690

    I am trying to get to the bottom of this case, see here:

    Thank you very much for providing and pointing us to this video footage. You are correct.

    Just trying to ascertain the facts as accurately as possible.

    I think this is what we all want and are here for.

    – http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2001359

    I am above all else interested in the Truth, and I am perfectly alright if in the end the Alt Right or I get proven wrong.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003978

    UPDATE & CORRECTION! Heather Heyer WAS apparently hit by the car. @BrockenJr at Gab.ai & Hunter Wallace of OccidentalDissent found her. The vid is apparently AFTER she rolled off hood. https://imgur.com/a/ycWgY

    Archived link: http://archive.is/4Ss0X

    VDare just published a good update on the Charlottesville incident and event, but they are making/repeating the false claim in it that Heather Heyer was not hit by the car:

    Anarcho-Tyranny Update: Mounting Proof That The Charlottesville Five Are Political Prisoners

    Given Heather Heyer’s mother’s revelation that her (morbidly obese) daughter had died, not of blunt force trauma but from a heart attack [NBC interview, August 19, 2017] find out what Heyer’s autopsy determined, and what effect that would have on the charges against car driver James Alex Fields Jr. (whom VDARE.com’s James Kirkpatrick has already suggested may be the next George Zimmerman. Subsequent video evidence appears to show that Heyer was not hit by the car at all).

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/anarcho-tyranny-update-mounting-proof-that-the-charlottesville-five-are-political-prisoners

    If anyone associated with VDare is reading this comment, please let them know about this error/mistake, because this could be damaging to their reputation and credibility if they keep repeating this false claim.

    Thank you.

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  • @Jim Christian

    In a bar, with girls, you need to dress in reasonable clothes or be reasonable looking, for example. I am a nice guy so I feel towards you as the latter. I pity you and am actually sort of on your team. Sadly for me.
     
    Well, that explains it, White Knight, errr, Tyrion. Nice guys get no pussy. Instead of taking the blame, you try to get all the others to join you in your niceties and no-pussy-gittin' ways.

    Pass.

    Now go take a fat chick to dinner. At her natural grazing ground. MacDonalds.

    I can afford to be a nice guy. My other qualities more than allow me. That isn’t the same as having no boundaries though. No one can afford that.

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  • @Authenticjazzman
    " Himmler was no academic"

    You mean like the Professors at the university of Heidelberg who participated in the book burnings and were the most fervent supporters of the Nazi party. ( and the communist party in Russia)

    Academics have always been a troublesome lot of mostly idiots and nut-cases.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

    But you have to assume that Nazi racial scientists had some strong connection to the Nazi regime, which was totalitarian. Likely they were sometimes (or often) ignored for pragmatic reasons, not ideological ones. Also, some Ukrainians think that Erich Koch (a known former KPD member) was a secret Red agent. He was allowed to live a very long life in captivity, despite all his crimes.

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  • @Randal

    Ron Unz is a disgrace. I used to respect him. No more.
     
    Because he published something you dislike that has been specifically targeted for suppression by the internet powers, on a website specifically dedicated to publishing what is generally suppressed elsewhere? Seems like you are not anyone whose respect should be desired or sought.

    Unpleasant it might be, and not particularly informative, but as a middle finger raised to the censors it's fairly effective, I suppose.

    Disagree. It may well be used one day soon to discredit the entire website. It is ammunition for all of our enemies, the provision of which violates the first rule of combat.

    Ron, please remove this article.

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  • @fnn

    No, the NS regime’s race laws seemed stupid and unfair even to those who were unapologetically anti-Jewish but not on pseudo-scientific grounds. Check out Hilaire Belloc on this
     
    Belloc was a Catholic apologist. Pre-Vatican II, the Catholic solution to the JQ was conversion. Catholicism is of course inherently universalistic and non-racialist. The objections to the Nuremberg Laws were on theological and humanitarian grounds and had nothing to do with "science." Read the relevant Papal encyclical, MIT BRENNENDER SORGE:
    http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html

    Belloc was a Catholic apologist. Pre-Vatican II, the Catholic solution to the JQ was conversion

    .

    I have a memory of Belloc, in The Jews, explicitly stating that the Jewish problem cannot be solved by Jews converting but I am unable to find it now.

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  • @wayfarer
    False Flag Busters, Analyze Charlottesville Virginia Hoax!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOI-WcKV0Gk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZTSjm8X5GM

    The Charlottesville incident was not a False Flag!

    Here a much better analysis, which has only 52 views so far, I wonder why?

    Everyone interested in this case needs to watch this video:

    What Happened to Due Process in the US?
    52 views

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2010014

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  • @FKA Max

    You can clearly hear the guy hit Fields’ car at about 16.5 sec into the Fox News Youtube video, and I am sure Fields might have perceived and heard that noise of the wooden flag pole hitting his car even more intensely inside the car, which quite possibly and naturally could have startled, distracted, and/or scared/angered him
     
    This is also important information to consider in this context, in my opinion:

    https://www.flhsmv.gov/wp-content/uploads/BrakingDiagram.png

    Distracted Driving Awareness


    Distracted driving is anything that takes your hands off the wheel, your eyes off the road or mind off driving. It is extremely risky behavior that puts everyone on the road in danger.
    [...]
    Other common distractions include: tending to kids or passengers in the back seat, eating, watching an event outside of the vehicle, interacting with passengers, unsecured pets, putting on makeup or grooming, adjusting radio or climate controls, checking your GPS app or system and even daydreaming.
    [...]
    To successfully avoid a crash, a driver must perceive a hazard, react and give the vehicle time to stop. Driver perception distance, or the distance a vehicle travels from the time a driver sees a hazard until the brain recognizes it, and reaction distance, the distance a car will continue to travel after seeing a hazard until the driver physically hits the brakes, dramatically affects a vehicle’s stopping distance. Even a focused driver going 50 mph will travel nearly the length of a football field before coming to a complete stop.

    When a driver is not focused on the road, it limits their ability to come to a stop and avoid a crash.
     

    - https://www.flhsmv.gov/safety-center/driving-safety/distracted-driving/

    So even if Fields was only driving at a speed of 25 to 30 mph, as I suspect he did after I did my, admittedly, very rough distance measurements and (average) speed calculations, and was focused and calm, it would still take him up to 44 ft. to 66 ft. just to perceive and react, let alone initiate brake action, to any obstacles and people in his way, and he definitely, in my opinion, was not focused and calm in this situation, as most people can probably agree with, especially after his vehicle was loudly struck with that wooden flag pole.

    Two days ago, after I fully got into and somewhat obsessed about this investigation, I actually tested how much more or less loudly and intensely I would perceive the bumper of our car being struck from outside and then from inside the car.

    I, being outside the vehicle, hit the driver side back bumper of our car with a rubber mallet, just like it happened in Fields' case, to see how intensely I would perceive and how loudly I would hear that noise. Then I sat in the driver seat inside the car with all windows and doors closed and had my wife strike the bumper with the rubber mallet, with same intensity and in the same location as I did before.

    I actually perceived the noise much more intensely and loudly inside the car than outside the car. I assume this is caused by the sound traveling through and being amplified by the car's metal frame.

    Again, this is just my highly amateurish investigation of what could have happened during those few fateful and tragic moments on that day in Charlottesville. But I believe it is extremely important and worth it to look into and consider all of these details and possibilities, since so much is at stake, e.g., possibly the First Amendment.


    A Toyota Tundra pickup is about 20 feet long, per Google, and the silver car Fields rear ended http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2007082 was just a couple of feet (maybe 5 to 10 ft.?) below that parked Toyota Tundra pickup on 4th Street. So my guess would be that in the above picture I shared the silver car is about 50 ft. ahead and in the picture in comment #51 when the guy hits/makes contact with Fields’ bumper http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003431 the distance is maybe 65 ft. from the silver convertible.

    But I could be wrong and several feet off with this semi-educated guesstimate.
     

    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2008599

    Holy Moly,

    I just struck gold!

    I was doing some more research on James Fields and came across the following video (which has 223 views currently):

    I knew James Fields Jr….

    Llama Bandit
    Published on Aug 24, 2017
    This is a quick video addressing all questions, people have had for Elliott about his communication with James Fields when they went to school together.

    The video is pretty boring and not many new insights about James Fields are revealed… but then, luckily enough, I decided to check out the comment section, which has/had 15 comments, that was when I struck gold in the form of this comment!

    Occam’s Router
    1 week ago
    It was not under acceleration until the impact though. I pointed out the exact moment as James brakes for a pedestrian, and continues rolling forward. Average speed of 18MPH at that middle stretch. After being struck the first time, he hits the gas.
    I made measurements based on the footage, and calculated speed against time. He wasn’t going fast enough to deploy the airbag.

    With the crowd already rushing in behind him, before any pedestrian injuries, it is not hard to imagine that James was under fight-or-flight instinct already. Smacking his car would have added to it exponentially.

    Then I saw that this Youtube commenter had made a video about his research, which only has 52 views (!?!?!?) so far.

    Occam’s Router
    2 weeks ago
    Definitely – especially if he was prescribed a benzo-based drug, which you cannot just stop taking cold turkey…by design. I’m willing to bet many of the domestic shooting spree crimes involve medication of some sort, but not focused on in the reporting.

    I am about to release a video that breaks down the footage of the ramming, and it demonstrates the flaws of assuming it was an intentional attack. After the hours of research so far, I can see nothing except a manslaughter charge.

    Everyone interested in this case needs to watch this video:

    What Happened to Due Process in the US?
    52 views

    Occam’s Router
    Published on Sep 3, 2017
    A few amateur video clips are not enough to determine guilt, and you would demand your right to a fair trial if necessary.

    This demand for instant justice trend needs to stop!

    Basically this person did the same research and came to the same conclusions that I did in this comment thread, he just did it a week or two before me, ha, ha, ha, ha ;-)

    Absolutely fantastic work!

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  • @Tyrion
    Here is an article which pulls apart an SJW victim narrative. Compare and contrast it to the one above.

    Which one do you think is more effective?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/26/the-truth-behind-americas-most-famous-gay-hate-murder-matthew-shepard

    The Guardian tells the truth about a liberal propaganda lie???? What happened????? It’s a miracle, a miracle.

    Too bad it took that commie propaganda rag 20 years to acknowledge a few of the thousands of Muslim rapes of very young White British girls.

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  • @Alden
    Negligent homicide requires 2 things.

    1 Should have known in advance.
    ( advance is not a mob running into the street in front of your car which is already legally driving in the street) more than a minute or 2 is required for negligence.

    2 Known in advance and not rectified the dangerous situation which caused a death.

    Standard negligent homicide is a dangerous situation, usually real property or premises situation that causes a death.

    Generally dangerous construction site not properly locked up someone wanders in, falls and gets killed.

    Typical example swimming pool in a yard with neither fence around yard or around swimming pool. Neighbors have called building department. Inspectors order proper fencing according to pertinent code. Property owner doesn't put in fence. Neighbor drowns. That's negligence.

    A couple minutes to react to a mob violating jay walking law by jumping in front of your car is not negligence if you hit someone.

    A minute on wikepedia does not an attorney make.

    Alden,

    our past kerfuffles aside, since you seem to have a background in the law, what do you make of the following:

    In court Wednesday, a judge explained to Fields that Weber had a conflict of interest in the case, and that he would now be represented by former Albemarle County Commonwealth’s Attorney Denise Lunsford, a Democrat.

    Weber is one of 13 plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the city over its decision to remove the statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from the park [...]
    http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/former-albemarle-prosecutor-lunsford-appointed-to-fields-case/article_e1810bee-829b-11e7-9b65-5b503c6f69d2.html

    Sealed search warrants shield details in Charlottesville case

    Details about any evidence found in James Alex Fields Jr.’s Dodge Challenger have been secreted for the time being by a Charlottesville judge, WTOP has learned.
    [...]
    http://wtop.com/virginia/2017/08/sealed-search-warrants-shield-details-charlottesville-case/

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2009515

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  • @Chris Mallory

    There’s lots of case law on pedestrians running into streets and getting hit by cars whose drivers were driving according to state vehicle code.
     
    Yes, the commies were breaking the law. But this was not a person running into the street in front of a car. There was a large mob. I am not saying the driver committed a felony, but he was responsible for controlling his vehicle. A good case could be made for negligent homicide in this matter.

    Negligent homicide requires 2 things.

    1 Should have known in advance.
    ( advance is not a mob running into the street in front of your car which is already legally driving in the street) more than a minute or 2 is required for negligence.

    2 Known in advance and not rectified the dangerous situation which caused a death.

    Standard negligent homicide is a dangerous situation, usually real property or premises situation that causes a death.

    Generally dangerous construction site not properly locked up someone wanders in, falls and gets killed.

    Typical example swimming pool in a yard with neither fence around yard or around swimming pool. Neighbors have called building department. Inspectors order proper fencing according to pertinent code. Property owner doesn’t put in fence. Neighbor drowns. That’s negligence.

    A couple minutes to react to a mob violating jay walking law by jumping in front of your car is not negligence if you hit someone.

    A minute on wikepedia does not an attorney make.

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    Alden,

    our past kerfuffles aside, since you seem to have a background in the law, what do you make of the following:

    In court Wednesday, a judge explained to Fields that Weber had a conflict of interest in the case, and that he would now be represented by former Albemarle County Commonwealth’s Attorney Denise Lunsford, a Democrat.

    Weber is one of 13 plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the city over its decision to remove the statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from the park [...]
    – http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/former-albemarle-prosecutor-lunsford-appointed-to-fields-case/article_e1810bee-829b-11e7-9b65-5b503c6f69d2.html

    Sealed search warrants shield details in Charlottesville case

    Details about any evidence found in James Alex Fields Jr.’s Dodge Challenger have been secreted for the time being by a Charlottesville judge, WTOP has learned.
    [...]
    – http://wtop.com/virginia/2017/08/sealed-search-warrants-shield-details-charlottesville-case/
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2009515
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  • @FKA Max
    Thank you for your feedback and participation in this investigation and discussion, Logan.

    The young person swiping at his car is using a flag or sign of some type, not exactly a club. It’s also unclear whether he/she actually makes contact. In any case, having somebody whack your car with a flag isn’t exactly a life-threatening situation.
     
    He definitely made impact. I commented on this with the following comment, which, incidentally, for whatever reason??, was also the comment which triggered one of the other commenters in the other comment thread so badly that he deemed me ``human scum'':

    You can clearly hear the guy hit Fields’ car at about 16.5 sec into the Fox News Youtube video, and I am sure Fields might have perceived and heard that noise of the wooden flag pole hitting his car even more intensely inside the car, which quite possibly and naturally could have startled, distracted, and/or scared/angered him
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003714

    Experts will analyze the footage frame by frame, and the amount of impact damage will also provide evidence about speed.
     
    I briefly touched up on this here, quoting other Unz Review commenters:

    I have to wonder why the Dodge Challenger’s airbags didn’t deploy, even after it rear ended the stationary car in front of it?
    [...]
    “Frontal air bags are generally designed to deploy in “moderate to severe” frontal or near-frontal crashes, which are defined as crashes that are equivalent to hitting a solid, fixed barrier at 8 to 14 mph or higher. (This would be equivalent to striking a parked car of similar size at about 16 to 28 mph or higher.”

    While James Alex Fields rear ended a car, he evidently wasn’t going that fast.

    – http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-1999737
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2004451

    Another indication that the impact was not at a very high speed (40+ mph), in my opinion, is that Fields was actually able to drive away from the scene of the accident/crime.

    Here is video of a Dodge Challenger fixed barrier crash test at 40 mph, which leaves the car pretty much undriveable afterwards, it looks like it to me.

    2016 Dodge Challenger moderate overlap IIHS crash test

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnQirxuGh8g

    2016 Dodge Challenger 40 mph moderate overlap IIHS crash test Overall evaluation: Good

    You can clearly hear the guy hit Fields’ car at about 16.5 sec into the Fox News Youtube video, and I am sure Fields might have perceived and heard that noise of the wooden flag pole hitting his car even more intensely inside the car, which quite possibly and naturally could have startled, distracted, and/or scared/angered him

    This is also important information to consider in this context, in my opinion:

    Distracted Driving Awareness

    Distracted driving is anything that takes your hands off the wheel, your eyes off the road or mind off driving. It is extremely risky behavior that puts everyone on the road in danger.
    [...]
    Other common distractions include: tending to kids or passengers in the back seat, eating, watching an event outside of the vehicle, interacting with passengers, unsecured pets, putting on makeup or grooming, adjusting radio or climate controls, checking your GPS app or system and even daydreaming.
    [...]
    To successfully avoid a crash, a driver must perceive a hazard, react and give the vehicle time to stop. Driver perception distance, or the distance a vehicle travels from the time a driver sees a hazard until the brain recognizes it, and reaction distance, the distance a car will continue to travel after seeing a hazard until the driver physically hits the brakes, dramatically affects a vehicle’s stopping distance. Even a focused driver going 50 mph will travel nearly the length of a football field before coming to a complete stop.

    When a driver is not focused on the road, it limits their ability to come to a stop and avoid a crash.

    https://www.flhsmv.gov/safety-center/driving-safety/distracted-driving/

    So even if Fields was only driving at a speed of 25 to 30 mph, as I suspect he did after I did my, admittedly, very rough distance measurements and (average) speed calculations, and was focused and calm, it would still take him up to 44 ft. to 66 ft. just to perceive and react, let alone initiate brake action, to any obstacles and people in his way, and he definitely, in my opinion, was not focused and calm in this situation, as most people can probably agree with, especially after his vehicle was loudly struck with that wooden flag pole.

    Two days ago, after I fully got into and somewhat obsessed about this investigation, I actually tested how much more or less loudly and intensely I would perceive the bumper of our car being struck from outside and then from inside the car.

    I, being outside the vehicle, hit the driver side back bumper of our car with a rubber mallet, just like it happened in Fields’ case, to see how intensely I would perceive and how loudly I would hear that noise. Then I sat in the driver seat inside the car with all windows and doors closed and had my wife strike the bumper with the rubber mallet, with same intensity and in the same location as I did before.

    I actually perceived the noise much more intensely and loudly inside the car than outside the car. I assume this is caused by the sound traveling through and being amplified by the car’s metal frame.

    Again, this is just my highly amateurish investigation of what could have happened during those few fateful and tragic moments on that day in Charlottesville. But I believe it is extremely important and worth it to look into and consider all of these details and possibilities, since so much is at stake, e.g., possibly the First Amendment.

    A Toyota Tundra pickup is about 20 feet long, per Google, and the silver car Fields rear ended http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2007082 was just a couple of feet (maybe 5 to 10 ft.?) below that parked Toyota Tundra pickup on 4th Street. So my guess would be that in the above picture I shared the silver car is about 50 ft. ahead and in the picture in comment #51 when the guy hits/makes contact with Fields’ bumper http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003431 the distance is maybe 65 ft. from the silver convertible.

    But I could be wrong and several feet off with this semi-educated guesstimate.

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2008599

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    Holy Moly,

    I just struck gold!

    I was doing some more research on James Fields and came across the following video (which has 223 views currently):

    I knew James Fields Jr....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqimlqZMi2M

    Llama Bandit
    Published on Aug 24, 2017
    This is a quick video addressing all questions, people have had for Elliott about his communication with James Fields when they went to school together.

    The video is pretty boring and not many new insights about James Fields are revealed... but then, luckily enough, I decided to check out the comment section, which has/had 15 comments, that was when I struck gold in the form of this comment!

    Occam's Router
    1 week ago
    It was not under acceleration until the impact though. I pointed out the exact moment as James brakes for a pedestrian, and continues rolling forward. Average speed of 18MPH at that middle stretch. After being struck the first time, he hits the gas.
    I made measurements based on the footage, and calculated speed against time. He wasn't going fast enough to deploy the airbag.


    With the crowd already rushing in behind him, before any pedestrian injuries, it is not hard to imagine that James was under fight-or-flight instinct already. Smacking his car would have added to it exponentially.
     
    Then I saw that this Youtube commenter had made a video about his research, which only has 52 views (!?!?!?) so far.

    Occam's Router
    2 weeks ago
    Definitely - especially if he was prescribed a benzo-based drug, which you cannot just stop taking cold turkey...by design. I'm willing to bet many of the domestic shooting spree crimes involve medication of some sort, but not focused on in the reporting.

    I am about to release a video that breaks down the footage of the ramming, and it demonstrates the flaws of assuming it was an intentional attack. After the hours of research so far, I can see nothing except a manslaughter charge.
     
    Everyone interested in this case needs to watch this video:

    What Happened to Due Process in the US?
    52 views

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxdEqd1mtt0

    Occam's Router
    Published on Sep 3, 2017
    A few amateur video clips are not enough to determine guilt, and you would demand your right to a fair trial if necessary.

    This demand for instant justice trend needs to stop!

    Basically this person did the same research and came to the same conclusions that I did in this comment thread, he just did it a week or two before me, ha, ha, ha, ha ;-)

    Absolutely fantastic work!
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  • @geokat62

    As for why Ron Unz chose to publish it despite those attributes, that’s a matter for speculation, obviously, as neither of us (presumably) know him well enough to know his mind or to have discussed it with him.
     
    Given the apparent storm of controversy generated by this article, it perhaps behooves our host to provide us with his rationale for choosing to publish this sort of article. Doing so might dampen all the wild speculation in which some are engaging.

    Doing so might dampen all the wild speculation in which some are engaging

    And you had me suckered into believing that you were all in on that shining a bright light routine.

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  • @fnn
    Unlike faggot Amery,the Israelis are a lot more relaxed about all this stuff:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztj6CZzmgDA

    ‘ faggot’, ‘bitch’, ‘fellatio’,……

    You seem to have an obsession with homosexual sex.
    Had an adventurous childhood, did you?
    And didn’t I already tell you not to gloat about your sexual experiences?
    It isn’t polite and nobody is really interested @UNZ: we try to discuss serious and interesting issues here.

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  • Unlike faggot Amery,the Israelis are a lot more relaxed about all this stuff:

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    ' faggot', 'bitch', 'fellatio',......

    You seem to have an obsession with homosexual sex.
    Had an adventurous childhood, did you?
    And didn't I already tell you not to gloat about your sexual experiences?
    It isn't polite and nobody is really interested @UNZ: we try to discuss serious and interesting issues here.

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  • @fnn
    History is full of pointless killing (but if there's money to be made or some invented justification there's always a point of some kind ) , you hysterical bitch. Brits did plenty of it against the Boers, the Kikuyus, the Tibetans and others that get little publicity or sympathy. I don't who you're performing fellatio on, but the Soviets, the Soviet Jews and the Israelis have plenty of nasty stuff as well. You need a strong butt to the head to clam you down.

    {….. hysterical bitch.}

    Stop gloating about yourself.

    { I don’t who you’re performing fellatio on,}

    No doubt speaking from extensive personal experience…….Yes?

    {You need a strong butt to the head to clam you down.}

    You are most welcome to try.
    I live in the Los Angeles area.
    Let me know when you’ll be at LAX, with a sign that says ‘FNN”, and we’ll meet you.

    ‘We’ being my attorney, local police, private detectives, other friends.
    As soon as you administer your ‘strong butt to the head‘ to , quote, ‘clam’ (calm)
    me down, you’ll be arrested for assault and battery.
    You will be taken to LA Central jail for processing.

    Who knows what will happen to you there, while you are waiting to see the judge in a few days. LA central jail is full of nasty criminals.
    We have lots friends and connections in various strata of local society.

    Looking forward to your visit to our lovely Los Angeles, California.

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  • @Avery
    Enough of academic, theoretical BS: Did Nazis in practice murder - murder - Slavs as Untermenschen.

    Yes or No?

    History is full of pointless killing (but if there’s money to be made or some invented justification there’s always a point of some kind ) , you hysterical bitch. Brits did plenty of it against the Boers, the Kikuyus, the Tibetans and others that get little publicity or sympathy. I don’t who you’re performing fellatio on, but the Soviets, the Soviet Jews and the Israelis have plenty of nasty stuff as well. You need a strong butt to the head to clam you down.

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    {..... hysterical bitch.}

    Stop gloating about yourself.

    { I don’t who you’re performing fellatio on,}

    No doubt speaking from extensive personal experience.......Yes?

    {You need a strong butt to the head to clam you down.}

    You are most welcome to try.
    I live in the Los Angeles area.
    Let me know when you'll be at LAX, with a sign that says 'FNN", and we'll meet you.

    'We' being my attorney, local police, private detectives, other friends.
    As soon as you administer your 'strong butt to the head' to , quote, 'clam' (calm)
    me down, you'll be arrested for assault and battery.
    You will be taken to LA Central jail for processing.

    Who knows what will happen to you there, while you are waiting to see the judge in a few days. LA central jail is full of nasty criminals.
    We have lots friends and connections in various strata of local society.

    Looking forward to your visit to our lovely Los Angeles, California.

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  • @FKA Max
    Making of a Murderer: Charlottesville

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYBIaKWef3U

    Published on Aug 27, 2017

    TLDR: USA government and media are full of shit, again. It's time for shitlibs who love submitting to them to have one nation, and the white people they hate to have another nation.

    The Cathedral Stands Up

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzwf4oIAvU0

    Millennial Woes
    Published on Sep 5, 2017

    [This video is not intended to condone violence or hate.]

    The creator of the “Making of a Murderer: Charlottesville” video issued a correction and update today, since he had claimed and assumed in several of his videos, that Heather Heyer was never hit by James Fields’ car:

    UPDATE & CORRECTION! Heather Heyer WAS apparently hit by the car. @BrockenJr at Gab.ai & Hunter Wallace of OccidentalDissent found her. The vid is apparently AFTER she rolled off hood. https://imgur.com/a/ycWgY

    Archived link: http://archive.is/4Ss0X

    Picture origin:

    The source seems credible and legit:
    [...]
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/charlottesville-car-photo/index.html

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2008599

    This fact was actually discussed in this comment thread a couple of days ago already, see here:

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4a0_1504662541 (this video shows where Heather was prior to being hit)

    Not a troll. Just trying to ascertain the facts as accurately as possible.

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2001310

    From close observation, which you can do yourself, it is plain to see that at one point in time, just before the gray car rams the protesters, Heather is at the end of the bed of a black pickup truck. Then, just seconds later, the gray car smashes through, and Heather is twenty feet behind the same pickup on the ground. The only way for her to travel 30 or 40 feet in seconds would be if she was hit by the moving car and moved from her original location to the spot where she ended up. Any such contact could be seriously damaging to a person, especially a person who was not in very good physical shape. Receiving a serious injury could lead to the onset of a heart attack as serious physical trauma often has such consequences.

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2001166

    Furthermore, Brown et al., examined the effects of obesity on trauma outcomes in severely injured patients and reported patients with obesity experienced longer hospitalisation, more complications, and increased risk of mortality (OR 1.6; 95%CI, 1.0—2.3)[11].
    Other than mortality, studies have also reported that trauma patients with morbid obesity are at greater risk of acute respiratory failure, acute renal failure, multiple organ failure, pneumonia,
    thrombosis and urinary tract infections [12].
    [...]
    Even though Heather Heyer had the advantage of younger age (she was 32 years old I believe) and the accident (or intentional attack?) was a “low-to-moderate speed” impact crash, her being severely overweight probably put her at a much higher risk of mortality in this situation than other participants in the protest

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2006690

    I am trying to get to the bottom of this case, see here:

    Thank you very much for providing and pointing us to this video footage. You are correct.

    Just trying to ascertain the facts as accurately as possible.

    I think this is what we all want and are here for.

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2001359

    I am above all else interested in the Truth, and I am perfectly alright if in the end the Alt Right or I get proven wrong.

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003978

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    UPDATE & CORRECTION! Heather Heyer WAS apparently hit by the car. @BrockenJr at Gab.ai & Hunter Wallace of OccidentalDissent found her. The vid is apparently AFTER she rolled off hood. https://imgur.com/a/ycWgY

    Archived link: http://archive.is/4Ss0X
     
    VDare just published a good update on the Charlottesville incident and event, but they are making/repeating the false claim in it that Heather Heyer was not hit by the car:

    Anarcho-Tyranny Update: Mounting Proof That The Charlottesville Five Are Political Prisoners


    Given Heather Heyer’s mother’s revelation that her (morbidly obese) daughter had died, not of blunt force trauma but from a heart attack [NBC interview, August 19, 2017] find out what Heyer’s autopsy determined, and what effect that would have on the charges against car driver James Alex Fields Jr. (whom VDARE.com’s James Kirkpatrick has already suggested may be the next George Zimmerman. Subsequent video evidence appears to show that Heyer was not hit by the car at all).
     
    - http://www.vdare.com/articles/anarcho-tyranny-update-mounting-proof-that-the-charlottesville-five-are-political-prisoners

    If anyone associated with VDare is reading this comment, please let them know about this error/mistake, because this could be damaging to their reputation and credibility if they keep repeating this false claim.

    Thank you.
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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    If the prescription is worn out, it's only because the behavior is repeated over and over again. Hey, don't shoot the messenger (shoot something, I guess, given Armenian military prowess; are any Turks at hand?).

    Bovines are not shot: they end up in the abattoir; when they are nicely marbled and ready. Then the ungulate becomes beefsteak.
    Keep chewing that cud, bovine: you might get lucky some day.

    {shoot something, I guess,….}

    No thanks.

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  • @Avery
    Wow, the worn out 'meds' prescription trope again by Dr. Bovine, M.D.
    How original.


    { It’s starting to become clear why Turks don’t care much for Armenians.}

    Did it become clear before or after you had your daily ration of nutritious hay?

    If the prescription is worn out, it’s only because the behavior is repeated over and over again. Hey, don’t shoot the messenger (shoot something, I guess, given Armenian military prowess; are any Turks at hand?).

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    Bovines are not shot: they end up in the abattoir; when they are nicely marbled and ready. Then the ungulate becomes beefsteak.
    Keep chewing that cud, bovine: you might get lucky some day.


    {shoot something, I guess,....}

    No thanks.

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    Well, maybe you two can share meds, you're both clearly in need. It's starting to become clear why Turks don't care much for Armenians.

    Wow, the worn out ‘meds’ prescription trope again by Dr. Bovine, M.D.
    How original.

    { It’s starting to become clear why Turks don’t care much for Armenians.}

    Did it become clear before or after you had your daily ration of nutritious hay?

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    If the prescription is worn out, it's only because the behavior is repeated over and over again. Hey, don't shoot the messenger (shoot something, I guess, given Armenian military prowess; are any Turks at hand?).
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  • @FKA Max
    The following is important information to take into account as well in this investigation.

    The fact that Fields was not driving at a very high rate of speed and that the crowd of protestors was mostly young people very likely significantly reduced the number of deaths and serious injuries in this accident/crash:


    The death rate more than doubles for pedestrians when speed increases from 25 to 35 m.p.h., said Kissinger. “That’s a big number. That’s something we hope all drivers will think about.”

    Pedestrian deaths from vehicle crashes “are still unacceptably high” even though they have gone down in recent years, he said. But with the country's strong focus on exercise and environmental issues that encourage people to walk and bike more, and a growing population that is aging, pedestrian injury and death will likely increase, he said. Older people, who may walk more when they are no longer able to drive, are particularly vulnerable.

    The study estimated that the risk of death for a 70-year-old pedestrian struck at any given speed is roughly equal to the risk of death for a 30-year-old struck by the same vehicle traveling 10 m.p.h. faster. For example, the risk of death for 70-year-old struck at 25 m.p.h. is approximately equal to the risk of death for a 30-year-old struck at 35 m.p.h..
     
    - https://www.forbes.com/sites/tanyamohn/2011/09/30/low-driving-speed-can-cause-serious-pedestrian-injury-and-death-report-finds/#6761a09857ff


    If my calculations are correct, Fields was actually driving at the Charlottesville city speed limit for most or all of the time he was traveling down 4th Street:

    City not ready to raise speed limits despite recommendations

    Charlottesville has no plans to increase the speed limits on several busy roads, despite recommendations from the city’s new traffic engineer that the posted limits on some streets are too low.

    Traffic engineer Rashad M. Hanbali counted traffic volumes at several locations across the city and concluded that limits on Brandywine Drive, Elliott Avenue, Greenbrier Drive and Locust Avenue should be higher than the posted 25 mph limit.
     
    - http://www.cvilletomorrow.org/news/article/25027-no-charlottesville-speed-limit-increases/

    Here another bird's eye view angle of 4th Street:

    https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/08/12/Local/Graphics/_tn_9001.10.2665493484_-jYbcH-tEeeysa66YoVN-g_2300-VAPROTEST0813.jpg

    Hey, my folks retired to Lake Monticello near there. When Pop’s club was too busy, we’d go play Birdwood. What a goat’s path. A real dog of a course. Not the sort of course I’d wanna crash and burn on. Poor bastards.

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  • @Tyrion
    Faking a ZFG attitude is effective when it is combined with a base minimum competency in whatever it is you are doing. In a bar, with girls, you need to dress in reasonable clothes or be reasonable looking, for example.

    The problem is that whay you are doing is faking a ZFG attitude while howling at the moon, covered in your own sick and smelling so bad that chicks retch as you approach them.

    Therefore you come across as a lunatic, or, at best, an object of pity.

    I am a nice guy so I feel towards you as the latter. I pity you and am actually sort of on your team. Sadly for me.

    So please, please take my advice. Stop stinking. Clean the sick off you and be coherent.

    Or in prose terms, try to not to write like a satire of a mentally deranged moron. It does not help. Spewing shit will only attract flies.

    In a bar, with girls, you need to dress in reasonable clothes or be reasonable looking, for example. I am a nice guy so I feel towards you as the latter. I pity you and am actually sort of on your team. Sadly for me.

    Well, that explains it, White Knight, errr, Tyrion. Nice guys get no pussy. Instead of taking the blame, you try to get all the others to join you in your niceties and no-pussy-gittin’ ways.

    Pass.

    Now go take a fat chick to dinner. At her natural grazing ground. MacDonalds.

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    I can afford to be a nice guy. My other qualities more than allow me. That isn't the same as having no boundaries though. No one can afford that.
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  • @Sean
    It's mad dog because it can't be reasoned with. Truth may be a complete defence on a higher plain, but we are down here with the filth , worms and MSM.

    Many white women struggle with their weight and are sensitive to people making remarks about any females weight, either positive or negative.

    “It’s mad dog because it can’t be reasoned with. Truth may be a complete defence on a higher plain, but we are down here with the filth , worms and MSM.”

    Fair enough. But you don’t see that the truth of all this IS down with the filth, worms and the MSM. As far as the obese? Please, growing up Sean, every public school had a fattie in every grade. ONE. She was mercilessly fat-shamed and don’t tell me you never did it. Girls just weren’t fat then. Too bad for the fatty that had a “problem”, but that shaming of one was a good reminder to all the other little girls to keep up the struggle to stay thin.

    Women were once beautiful and thin, had class, were kept in line by their men. The occasional rogue attitude was still beautiful. Look at them now, the average woman in her 20s is a dumpster-fire. And you defend that? What, you have obese daughters” You a chubby chaser? I’m searching for a reason for your tolerance and defense of the degradation of thought and condition of this age.

    We bitch and complain that men are soft, fat and lazy, the youth. What are they to get hard-working-tough for? THESE girls? Ha!

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  • @FKA Max
    Thank you for your feedback and participation in this investigation and discussion, Logan.

    The young person swiping at his car is using a flag or sign of some type, not exactly a club. It’s also unclear whether he/she actually makes contact. In any case, having somebody whack your car with a flag isn’t exactly a life-threatening situation.
     
    He definitely made impact. I commented on this with the following comment, which, incidentally, for whatever reason??, was also the comment which triggered one of the other commenters in the other comment thread so badly that he deemed me ``human scum'':

    You can clearly hear the guy hit Fields’ car at about 16.5 sec into the Fox News Youtube video, and I am sure Fields might have perceived and heard that noise of the wooden flag pole hitting his car even more intensely inside the car, which quite possibly and naturally could have startled, distracted, and/or scared/angered him
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003714

    Experts will analyze the footage frame by frame, and the amount of impact damage will also provide evidence about speed.
     
    I briefly touched up on this here, quoting other Unz Review commenters:

    I have to wonder why the Dodge Challenger’s airbags didn’t deploy, even after it rear ended the stationary car in front of it?
    [...]
    “Frontal air bags are generally designed to deploy in “moderate to severe” frontal or near-frontal crashes, which are defined as crashes that are equivalent to hitting a solid, fixed barrier at 8 to 14 mph or higher. (This would be equivalent to striking a parked car of similar size at about 16 to 28 mph or higher.”

    While James Alex Fields rear ended a car, he evidently wasn’t going that fast.

    – http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-1999737
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2004451

    Another indication that the impact was not at a very high speed (40+ mph), in my opinion, is that Fields was actually able to drive away from the scene of the accident/crime.

    Here is video of a Dodge Challenger fixed barrier crash test at 40 mph, which leaves the car pretty much undriveable afterwards, it looks like it to me.

    2016 Dodge Challenger moderate overlap IIHS crash test

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnQirxuGh8g

    2016 Dodge Challenger 40 mph moderate overlap IIHS crash test Overall evaluation: Good

    Here is a collision at 40 km/h which is 25 mph:

    Rear impact crash test

    Rear impact crash test of a Toyota Camry impacting the rear of a stationary Hyundai Accent at 40km/h. The impact was offset such that the force of the impact would travel through the passenger side of the vehicle and not the driver. The change in velocity (delta v) of the Toyota in the impact was calculated to be approximately 22km/h. Testing conducted by Delta-V Experts for AILA at the 2012 National AILA Conference.

    The front end damage to the Toyota Camry looks similar to that of Fields’s Dodge.

    The rear end damage to the Hyundai Accent does not look as extensive as on the sliver car (a Toyota?) Fields rear ended, but this could be explained by the Charlottesville accident being a three car pile up, whereas this crash test is just two cars, plus the Dodge Challenger is probably a pretty heavy car and the crash happened on an incline. I imagine, that the middle car in a three car pile up usually has the most extensive rear end damage, because it gets sandwiched between the first and third car. The third car (Fields’ Dodge) has in most cases probably the most extensive front end damage:

    Rear end damage to the middle silver car (possibly a Toyota?):

    Front end damage to Fields’ Dodge:

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  • @Logan
    Here's the problem. He apparently stopped at the stoplight for the pedestrian mall, crossed it and drove down 4th into the crowd. There are photos of his brake lights on partway down the block. Had he braked hard he probably would have stopped before entering the crowd. But he at minimum took his foot off the brake and quite possibly accelerated.

    His Challenger probably had a good bit of power, so acceleration would get him up to a high speed quickly if he punched it.

    IOW, average speed down the block tells us nothing about speed at impact.

    Experts will analyze the footage frame by frame, and the amount of impact damage will also provide evidence about speed.

    The young person swiping at his car is using a flag or sign of some type, not exactly a club. It's also unclear whether he/she actually makes contact. In any case, having somebody whack your car with a flag isn't exactly a life-threatening situation.

    The kid Steve wrote about a while back was actually shot dead through the back of the vehicle as he was very slowly driving away.

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  • Steve Sailer wrote about a case in his area in which a student who drove at some biker types in a car park (who unbeknownst to him were plain clothes federal agents) far more slowly that the car in this incident–was shot dead.

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  • @Logan
    Here's the problem. He apparently stopped at the stoplight for the pedestrian mall, crossed it and drove down 4th into the crowd. There are photos of his brake lights on partway down the block. Had he braked hard he probably would have stopped before entering the crowd. But he at minimum took his foot off the brake and quite possibly accelerated.

    His Challenger probably had a good bit of power, so acceleration would get him up to a high speed quickly if he punched it.

    IOW, average speed down the block tells us nothing about speed at impact.

    Experts will analyze the footage frame by frame, and the amount of impact damage will also provide evidence about speed.

    The young person swiping at his car is using a flag or sign of some type, not exactly a club. It's also unclear whether he/she actually makes contact. In any case, having somebody whack your car with a flag isn't exactly a life-threatening situation.

    Thank you for your feedback and participation in this investigation and discussion, Logan.

    The young person swiping at his car is using a flag or sign of some type, not exactly a club. It’s also unclear whether he/she actually makes contact. In any case, having somebody whack your car with a flag isn’t exactly a life-threatening situation.

    He definitely made impact. I commented on this with the following comment, which, incidentally, for whatever reason??, was also the comment which triggered one of the other commenters in the other comment thread so badly that he deemed me “human scum”:

    You can clearly hear the guy hit Fields’ car at about 16.5 sec into the Fox News Youtube video, and I am sure Fields might have perceived and heard that noise of the wooden flag pole hitting his car even more intensely inside the car, which quite possibly and naturally could have startled, distracted, and/or scared/angered him

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003714

    Experts will analyze the footage frame by frame, and the amount of impact damage will also provide evidence about speed.

    I briefly touched up on this here, quoting other Unz Review commenters:

    I have to wonder why the Dodge Challenger’s airbags didn’t deploy, even after it rear ended the stationary car in front of it?
    [...]
    “Frontal air bags are generally designed to deploy in “moderate to severe” frontal or near-frontal crashes, which are defined as crashes that are equivalent to hitting a solid, fixed barrier at 8 to 14 mph or higher. (This would be equivalent to striking a parked car of similar size at about 16 to 28 mph or higher.”

    While James Alex Fields rear ended a car, he evidently wasn’t going that fast.

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-1999737

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2004451

    Another indication that the impact was not at a very high speed (40+ mph), in my opinion, is that Fields was actually able to drive away from the scene of the accident/crime.

    Here is video of a Dodge Challenger fixed barrier crash test at 40 mph, which leaves the car pretty much undriveable afterwards, it looks like it to me.

    2016 Dodge Challenger moderate overlap IIHS crash test

    2016 Dodge Challenger 40 mph moderate overlap IIHS crash test Overall evaluation: Good

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    Here is a collision at 40 km/h which is 25 mph:

    Rear impact crash test

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7rsiCWuiKE

    Rear impact crash test of a Toyota Camry impacting the rear of a stationary Hyundai Accent at 40km/h. The impact was offset such that the force of the impact would travel through the passenger side of the vehicle and not the driver. The change in velocity (delta v) of the Toyota in the impact was calculated to be approximately 22km/h. Testing conducted by Delta-V Experts for AILA at the 2012 National AILA Conference.

    The front end damage to the Toyota Camry looks similar to that of Fields's Dodge.

    The rear end damage to the Hyundai Accent does not look as extensive as on the sliver car (a Toyota?) Fields rear ended, but this could be explained by the Charlottesville accident being a three car pile up, whereas this crash test is just two cars, plus the Dodge Challenger is probably a pretty heavy car and the crash happened on an incline. I imagine, that the middle car in a three car pile up usually has the most extensive rear end damage, because it gets sandwiched between the first and third car. The third car (Fields' Dodge) has in most cases probably the most extensive front end damage:

    Rear end damage to the middle silver car (possibly a Toyota?):

    https://tribwdcw.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/xrash.png

    Front end damage to Fields' Dodge:

    http://wvir.images.worldnow.com/images/14639840_G.jpg

    , @FKA Max

    You can clearly hear the guy hit Fields’ car at about 16.5 sec into the Fox News Youtube video, and I am sure Fields might have perceived and heard that noise of the wooden flag pole hitting his car even more intensely inside the car, which quite possibly and naturally could have startled, distracted, and/or scared/angered him
     
    This is also important information to consider in this context, in my opinion:

    https://www.flhsmv.gov/wp-content/uploads/BrakingDiagram.png

    Distracted Driving Awareness


    Distracted driving is anything that takes your hands off the wheel, your eyes off the road or mind off driving. It is extremely risky behavior that puts everyone on the road in danger.
    [...]
    Other common distractions include: tending to kids or passengers in the back seat, eating, watching an event outside of the vehicle, interacting with passengers, unsecured pets, putting on makeup or grooming, adjusting radio or climate controls, checking your GPS app or system and even daydreaming.
    [...]
    To successfully avoid a crash, a driver must perceive a hazard, react and give the vehicle time to stop. Driver perception distance, or the distance a vehicle travels from the time a driver sees a hazard until the brain recognizes it, and reaction distance, the distance a car will continue to travel after seeing a hazard until the driver physically hits the brakes, dramatically affects a vehicle’s stopping distance. Even a focused driver going 50 mph will travel nearly the length of a football field before coming to a complete stop.

    When a driver is not focused on the road, it limits their ability to come to a stop and avoid a crash.
     

    - https://www.flhsmv.gov/safety-center/driving-safety/distracted-driving/

    So even if Fields was only driving at a speed of 25 to 30 mph, as I suspect he did after I did my, admittedly, very rough distance measurements and (average) speed calculations, and was focused and calm, it would still take him up to 44 ft. to 66 ft. just to perceive and react, let alone initiate brake action, to any obstacles and people in his way, and he definitely, in my opinion, was not focused and calm in this situation, as most people can probably agree with, especially after his vehicle was loudly struck with that wooden flag pole.

    Two days ago, after I fully got into and somewhat obsessed about this investigation, I actually tested how much more or less loudly and intensely I would perceive the bumper of our car being struck from outside and then from inside the car.

    I, being outside the vehicle, hit the driver side back bumper of our car with a rubber mallet, just like it happened in Fields' case, to see how intensely I would perceive and how loudly I would hear that noise. Then I sat in the driver seat inside the car with all windows and doors closed and had my wife strike the bumper with the rubber mallet, with same intensity and in the same location as I did before.

    I actually perceived the noise much more intensely and loudly inside the car than outside the car. I assume this is caused by the sound traveling through and being amplified by the car's metal frame.

    Again, this is just my highly amateurish investigation of what could have happened during those few fateful and tragic moments on that day in Charlottesville. But I believe it is extremely important and worth it to look into and consider all of these details and possibilities, since so much is at stake, e.g., possibly the First Amendment.


    A Toyota Tundra pickup is about 20 feet long, per Google, and the silver car Fields rear ended http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2007082 was just a couple of feet (maybe 5 to 10 ft.?) below that parked Toyota Tundra pickup on 4th Street. So my guess would be that in the above picture I shared the silver car is about 50 ft. ahead and in the picture in comment #51 when the guy hits/makes contact with Fields’ bumper http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003431 the distance is maybe 65 ft. from the silver convertible.

    But I could be wrong and several feet off with this semi-educated guesstimate.
     

    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2008599
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  • @FKA Max
    The following is important information to take into account as well in this investigation.

    The fact that Fields was not driving at a very high rate of speed and that the crowd of protestors was mostly young people very likely significantly reduced the number of deaths and serious injuries in this accident/crash:


    The death rate more than doubles for pedestrians when speed increases from 25 to 35 m.p.h., said Kissinger. “That’s a big number. That’s something we hope all drivers will think about.”

    Pedestrian deaths from vehicle crashes “are still unacceptably high” even though they have gone down in recent years, he said. But with the country's strong focus on exercise and environmental issues that encourage people to walk and bike more, and a growing population that is aging, pedestrian injury and death will likely increase, he said. Older people, who may walk more when they are no longer able to drive, are particularly vulnerable.

    The study estimated that the risk of death for a 70-year-old pedestrian struck at any given speed is roughly equal to the risk of death for a 30-year-old struck by the same vehicle traveling 10 m.p.h. faster. For example, the risk of death for 70-year-old struck at 25 m.p.h. is approximately equal to the risk of death for a 30-year-old struck at 35 m.p.h..
     
    - https://www.forbes.com/sites/tanyamohn/2011/09/30/low-driving-speed-can-cause-serious-pedestrian-injury-and-death-report-finds/#6761a09857ff


    If my calculations are correct, Fields was actually driving at the Charlottesville city speed limit for most or all of the time he was traveling down 4th Street:

    City not ready to raise speed limits despite recommendations

    Charlottesville has no plans to increase the speed limits on several busy roads, despite recommendations from the city’s new traffic engineer that the posted limits on some streets are too low.

    Traffic engineer Rashad M. Hanbali counted traffic volumes at several locations across the city and concluded that limits on Brandywine Drive, Elliott Avenue, Greenbrier Drive and Locust Avenue should be higher than the posted 25 mph limit.
     
    - http://www.cvilletomorrow.org/news/article/25027-no-charlottesville-speed-limit-increases/

    Here another bird's eye view angle of 4th Street:

    https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/08/12/Local/Graphics/_tn_9001.10.2665493484_-jYbcH-tEeeysa66YoVN-g_2300-VAPROTEST0813.jpg

    This study examined drivers and not pedestrians, but its findings can probably be generally applied to all types of physical trauma and accidents, etc.:

    Motorists with morbid obesity were found to be at a 52% greater risk of mortality compared to motorists with no morbid obesity when involved in a MVC. This risk increased to 84% in the motorists with morbid obesity but without protective equipment. The association between morbid
    obesity and mortality differed by severity of injury, driver age, and protective device. However,
    regardless of safety device use, motorists with morbid obesity remained at greater risk of death.
    Our findings support previous studies that reported obesity to be a risk factor for trauma
    mortality. Choban et al., first examined the association between obesity and trauma outcomes,
    and found patients with obesity experienced greater mortality compared with patients with no
    obesity [9].
    These initial findings have been corroborated by Neville et al., who reported the odds of death in
    blunt trauma was 5.7 (95%CI,1.9—1.96) times higher in patients with obesity compared to patients
    with no obesity [10]. Furthermore, Brown et al., examined the effects of obesity on trauma outcomes in severely injured patients and reported patients with obesity experienced longer hospitalisation, more complications, and increased risk of mortality (OR 1.6; 95%CI, 1.0—2.3)[11].
    Other than mortality, studies have also reported that trauma patients with morbid obesity are at greater risk of acute respiratory failure, acute renal failure, multiple organ failure, pneumonia,
    thrombosis and urinary tract infections [12].

    Obesity and trauma mortality:
    Sizing up the risks in motor vehicle crashes
    Joseph et al. (2016) http://www.obesityresearchclinicalpractice.com/article/S1871-403X(16)00022-3/pdf

    Even though Heather Heyer had the advantage of younger age (she was 32 years old I believe) and the accident (or intentional attack?) was a “low-to-moderate speed” impact crash, her being severely overweight probably put her at a much higher risk of mortality in this situation than other participants in the protest:

    “Low-speed” impact refers to 1-2 miles per hour and goes up to 20-25 mph. “Moderate speeds” are 25-40 mph and “high speeds” are 40 mph and over.

    http://www.dynamicchiropractic.com/mpacms/dc/article.php?id=40251

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  • @Jim Christian
    What's mad dog about it? Truth-telling hurt you? Where is anything I said not true? Besides, the besmirching we White guys get up to and including their wish that we all die, do you chastise them? Oprah? Black celebrities? Feminists? Did you mention your reservations to THEM? I suspect not, given you're one of them. Wish for all the White guys gone. WHO is to service and support the world after that, I know not, nor do you. It's the little things. Lights, electricity, water, food. No Blacks on the trucks restoring power I notice. No women, either.

    As we say in Boston, Screw.

    It’s mad dog because it can’t be reasoned with. Truth may be a complete defence on a higher plain, but we are down here with the filth , worms and MSM.

    Many white women struggle with their weight and are sensitive to people making remarks about any females weight, either positive or negative.

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    "It’s mad dog because it can’t be reasoned with. Truth may be a complete defence on a higher plain, but we are down here with the filth , worms and MSM."

    Fair enough. But you don't see that the truth of all this IS down with the filth, worms and the MSM. As far as the obese? Please, growing up Sean, every public school had a fattie in every grade. ONE. She was mercilessly fat-shamed and don't tell me you never did it. Girls just weren't fat then. Too bad for the fatty that had a "problem", but that shaming of one was a good reminder to all the other little girls to keep up the struggle to stay thin.

    Women were once beautiful and thin, had class, were kept in line by their men. The occasional rogue attitude was still beautiful. Look at them now, the average woman in her 20s is a dumpster-fire. And you defend that? What, you have obese daughters" You a chubby chaser? I'm searching for a reason for your tolerance and defense of the degradation of thought and condition of this age.

    We bitch and complain that men are soft, fat and lazy, the youth. What are they to get hard-working-tough for? THESE girls? Ha!

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  • @Jim Christian
    What's mad dog about it? Truth-telling hurt you? Where is anything I said not true? Besides, the besmirching we White guys get up to and including their wish that we all die, do you chastise them? Oprah? Black celebrities? Feminists? Did you mention your reservations to THEM? I suspect not, given you're one of them. Wish for all the White guys gone. WHO is to service and support the world after that, I know not, nor do you. It's the little things. Lights, electricity, water, food. No Blacks on the trucks restoring power I notice. No women, either.

    As we say in Boston, Screw.

    Drove past a convoy of power company trucks headed into FL yesterday. Nine of them. Two female drivers, three blacks. FWIW

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  • @FKA Max
    The following is important information to take into account as well in this investigation.

    The fact that Fields was not driving at a very high rate of speed and that the crowd of protestors was mostly young people very likely significantly reduced the number of deaths and serious injuries in this accident/crash:


    The death rate more than doubles for pedestrians when speed increases from 25 to 35 m.p.h., said Kissinger. “That’s a big number. That’s something we hope all drivers will think about.”

    Pedestrian deaths from vehicle crashes “are still unacceptably high” even though they have gone down in recent years, he said. But with the country's strong focus on exercise and environmental issues that encourage people to walk and bike more, and a growing population that is aging, pedestrian injury and death will likely increase, he said. Older people, who may walk more when they are no longer able to drive, are particularly vulnerable.

    The study estimated that the risk of death for a 70-year-old pedestrian struck at any given speed is roughly equal to the risk of death for a 30-year-old struck by the same vehicle traveling 10 m.p.h. faster. For example, the risk of death for 70-year-old struck at 25 m.p.h. is approximately equal to the risk of death for a 30-year-old struck at 35 m.p.h..
     
    - https://www.forbes.com/sites/tanyamohn/2011/09/30/low-driving-speed-can-cause-serious-pedestrian-injury-and-death-report-finds/#6761a09857ff


    If my calculations are correct, Fields was actually driving at the Charlottesville city speed limit for most or all of the time he was traveling down 4th Street:

    City not ready to raise speed limits despite recommendations

    Charlottesville has no plans to increase the speed limits on several busy roads, despite recommendations from the city’s new traffic engineer that the posted limits on some streets are too low.

    Traffic engineer Rashad M. Hanbali counted traffic volumes at several locations across the city and concluded that limits on Brandywine Drive, Elliott Avenue, Greenbrier Drive and Locust Avenue should be higher than the posted 25 mph limit.
     
    - http://www.cvilletomorrow.org/news/article/25027-no-charlottesville-speed-limit-increases/

    Here another bird's eye view angle of 4th Street:

    https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/08/12/Local/Graphics/_tn_9001.10.2665493484_-jYbcH-tEeeysa66YoVN-g_2300-VAPROTEST0813.jpg

    Here’s the problem. He apparently stopped at the stoplight for the pedestrian mall, crossed it and drove down 4th into the crowd. There are photos of his brake lights on partway down the block. Had he braked hard he probably would have stopped before entering the crowd. But he at minimum took his foot off the brake and quite possibly accelerated.

    His Challenger probably had a good bit of power, so acceleration would get him up to a high speed quickly if he punched it.

    IOW, average speed down the block tells us nothing about speed at impact.

    Experts will analyze the footage frame by frame, and the amount of impact damage will also provide evidence about speed.

    The young person swiping at his car is using a flag or sign of some type, not exactly a club. It’s also unclear whether he/she actually makes contact. In any case, having somebody whack your car with a flag isn’t exactly a life-threatening situation.

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    Thank you for your feedback and participation in this investigation and discussion, Logan.

    The young person swiping at his car is using a flag or sign of some type, not exactly a club. It’s also unclear whether he/she actually makes contact. In any case, having somebody whack your car with a flag isn’t exactly a life-threatening situation.
     
    He definitely made impact. I commented on this with the following comment, which, incidentally, for whatever reason??, was also the comment which triggered one of the other commenters in the other comment thread so badly that he deemed me ``human scum'':

    You can clearly hear the guy hit Fields’ car at about 16.5 sec into the Fox News Youtube video, and I am sure Fields might have perceived and heard that noise of the wooden flag pole hitting his car even more intensely inside the car, which quite possibly and naturally could have startled, distracted, and/or scared/angered him
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003714

    Experts will analyze the footage frame by frame, and the amount of impact damage will also provide evidence about speed.
     
    I briefly touched up on this here, quoting other Unz Review commenters:

    I have to wonder why the Dodge Challenger’s airbags didn’t deploy, even after it rear ended the stationary car in front of it?
    [...]
    “Frontal air bags are generally designed to deploy in “moderate to severe” frontal or near-frontal crashes, which are defined as crashes that are equivalent to hitting a solid, fixed barrier at 8 to 14 mph or higher. (This would be equivalent to striking a parked car of similar size at about 16 to 28 mph or higher.”

    While James Alex Fields rear ended a car, he evidently wasn’t going that fast.

    – http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-1999737
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2004451

    Another indication that the impact was not at a very high speed (40+ mph), in my opinion, is that Fields was actually able to drive away from the scene of the accident/crime.

    Here is video of a Dodge Challenger fixed barrier crash test at 40 mph, which leaves the car pretty much undriveable afterwards, it looks like it to me.

    2016 Dodge Challenger moderate overlap IIHS crash test

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnQirxuGh8g

    2016 Dodge Challenger 40 mph moderate overlap IIHS crash test Overall evaluation: Good
    , @Sean
    The kid Steve wrote about a while back was actually shot dead through the back of the vehicle as he was very slowly driving away.
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  • @FKA Max
    We had a productive and entertaining comment discussion over in the other comment thread, which might be of interest to the readers and commenters of this article and comment thread.

    It started off here:

    What do you make of this picture just moments before the ramming of a “peaceful” protestor swinging at Fields’ Dodge?
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003431

    and then escalated fast with me being called ``human scum'' by one of the astute observers in that comment thread:

    you were trying to mislead with that bullshit screen cap. for that I deem you human scum.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003901

    oh look, the human scum couldn’t spin it any longer.

    goodbye scum.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2004307

    These are excerpts from my reply to the last comment:


    The city block the accident/attack happened on is about +/- 220 feet long. I used Google Maps to roughly calculate the distance.
    [...]
    Per the Fox News Youtube video it took James Fields’ Dodge about 6 seconds to travel that distance.

    If you use the following miles-per-hour to feet-per-second converter, 220 / 6 = 36.7 feet-per-second, which translates to about a speed of 25 miles-per-hour:

    http://www.kylesconverter.com/speed-or-velocity/miles-per-hour-to-feet-per-second

    This is way below the speed of 40 mph that was suggested and claimed, by one of the eye witnesses of the accident/attack, Fields’ car was supposed to have traveled at ( see video “charlottesville car attack debunked from victims with footage” for that eye witness account http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003431 )

    Not exactly a speed I personally would travel at to commit “attempted vehicular mass murder”, but that is just me, what do I know, I am just “human scum” according to the most astutest of observers.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2004451

    https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-CQ840A_VIRGI_9U_20170813145734.jpg

    I hope you enjoy it and can learn and take away some useful information from it.

    War is by definition not good for the production of wealth. Borrow large sums of money, use it to build stuff that you ship to the other side of the world and then destroy.

    Not a recipe for long-term financial advancement.

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  • @Sean
    Why can't you see that this kind of mad dog trolling, enjoyable though it may be, can be counterproductive? American Renaissance says or said that their moderators reserved the right to hold opponents to lower standards. Freedom of expression is giving you enough rope to besmirch your people.

    What’s mad dog about it? Truth-telling hurt you? Where is anything I said not true? Besides, the besmirching we White guys get up to and including their wish that we all die, do you chastise them? Oprah? Black celebrities? Feminists? Did you mention your reservations to THEM? I suspect not, given you’re one of them. Wish for all the White guys gone. WHO is to service and support the world after that, I know not, nor do you. It’s the little things. Lights, electricity, water, food. No Blacks on the trucks restoring power I notice. No women, either.

    As we say in Boston, Screw.

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    Drove past a convoy of power company trucks headed into FL yesterday. Nine of them. Two female drivers, three blacks. FWIW
    , @Sean
    It's mad dog because it can't be reasoned with. Truth may be a complete defence on a higher plain, but we are down here with the filth , worms and MSM.

    Many white women struggle with their weight and are sensitive to people making remarks about any females weight, either positive or negative.
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  • @FKA Max
    We had a productive and entertaining comment discussion over in the other comment thread, which might be of interest to the readers and commenters of this article and comment thread.

    It started off here:

    What do you make of this picture just moments before the ramming of a “peaceful” protestor swinging at Fields’ Dodge?
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003431

    and then escalated fast with me being called ``human scum'' by one of the astute observers in that comment thread:

    you were trying to mislead with that bullshit screen cap. for that I deem you human scum.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003901

    oh look, the human scum couldn’t spin it any longer.

    goodbye scum.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2004307

    These are excerpts from my reply to the last comment:


    The city block the accident/attack happened on is about +/- 220 feet long. I used Google Maps to roughly calculate the distance.
    [...]
    Per the Fox News Youtube video it took James Fields’ Dodge about 6 seconds to travel that distance.

    If you use the following miles-per-hour to feet-per-second converter, 220 / 6 = 36.7 feet-per-second, which translates to about a speed of 25 miles-per-hour:

    http://www.kylesconverter.com/speed-or-velocity/miles-per-hour-to-feet-per-second

    This is way below the speed of 40 mph that was suggested and claimed, by one of the eye witnesses of the accident/attack, Fields’ car was supposed to have traveled at ( see video “charlottesville car attack debunked from victims with footage” for that eye witness account http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003431 )

    Not exactly a speed I personally would travel at to commit “attempted vehicular mass murder”, but that is just me, what do I know, I am just “human scum” according to the most astutest of observers.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2004451

    https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-CQ840A_VIRGI_9U_20170813145734.jpg

    I hope you enjoy it and can learn and take away some useful information from it.

    The following is important information to take into account as well in this investigation.

    The fact that Fields was not driving at a very high rate of speed and that the crowd of protestors was mostly young people very likely significantly reduced the number of deaths and serious injuries in this accident/crash:

    The death rate more than doubles for pedestrians when speed increases from 25 to 35 m.p.h., said Kissinger. “That’s a big number. That’s something we hope all drivers will think about.”

    Pedestrian deaths from vehicle crashes “are still unacceptably high” even though they have gone down in recent years, he said. But with the country’s strong focus on exercise and environmental issues that encourage people to walk and bike more, and a growing population that is aging, pedestrian injury and death will likely increase, he said. Older people, who may walk more when they are no longer able to drive, are particularly vulnerable.

    The study estimated that the risk of death for a 70-year-old pedestrian struck at any given speed is roughly equal to the risk of death for a 30-year-old struck by the same vehicle traveling 10 m.p.h. faster. For example, the risk of death for 70-year-old struck at 25 m.p.h. is approximately equal to the risk of death for a 30-year-old struck at 35 m.p.h..

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/tanyamohn/2011/09/30/low-driving-speed-can-cause-serious-pedestrian-injury-and-death-report-finds/#6761a09857ff

    If my calculations are correct, Fields was actually driving at the Charlottesville city speed limit for most or all of the time he was traveling down 4th Street:

    City not ready to raise speed limits despite recommendations

    Charlottesville has no plans to increase the speed limits on several busy roads, despite recommendations from the city’s new traffic engineer that the posted limits on some streets are too low.

    Traffic engineer Rashad M. Hanbali counted traffic volumes at several locations across the city and concluded that limits on Brandywine Drive, Elliott Avenue, Greenbrier Drive and Locust Avenue should be higher than the posted 25 mph limit.

    http://www.cvilletomorrow.org/news/article/25027-no-charlottesville-speed-limit-increases/

    Here another bird’s eye view angle of 4th Street:

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    Here's the problem. He apparently stopped at the stoplight for the pedestrian mall, crossed it and drove down 4th into the crowd. There are photos of his brake lights on partway down the block. Had he braked hard he probably would have stopped before entering the crowd. But he at minimum took his foot off the brake and quite possibly accelerated.

    His Challenger probably had a good bit of power, so acceleration would get him up to a high speed quickly if he punched it.

    IOW, average speed down the block tells us nothing about speed at impact.

    Experts will analyze the footage frame by frame, and the amount of impact damage will also provide evidence about speed.

    The young person swiping at his car is using a flag or sign of some type, not exactly a club. It's also unclear whether he/she actually makes contact. In any case, having somebody whack your car with a flag isn't exactly a life-threatening situation.
    , @FKA Max
    This study examined drivers and not pedestrians, but its findings can probably be generally applied to all types of physical trauma and accidents, etc.:


    Motorists with morbid obesity were found to be at a 52% greater risk of mortality compared to motorists with no morbid obesity when involved in a MVC. This risk increased to 84% in the motorists with morbid obesity but without protective equipment. The association between morbid
    obesity and mortality differed by severity of injury, driver age, and protective device. However,
    regardless of safety device use, motorists with morbid obesity remained at greater risk of death.
    Our findings support previous studies that reported obesity to be a risk factor for trauma
    mortality. Choban et al., first examined the association between obesity and trauma outcomes,
    and found patients with obesity experienced greater mortality compared with patients with no
    obesity [9].
    These initial findings have been corroborated by Neville et al., who reported the odds of death in
    blunt trauma was 5.7 (95%CI,1.9—1.96) times higher in patients with obesity compared to patients
    with no obesity [10]. Furthermore, Brown et al., examined the effects of obesity on trauma outcomes in severely injured patients and reported patients with obesity experienced longer hospitalisation, more complications, and increased risk of mortality (OR 1.6; 95%CI, 1.0—2.3)[11].
    Other than mortality, studies have also reported that trauma patients with morbid obesity are at greater risk of acute respiratory failure, acute renal failure, multiple organ failure, pneumonia,
    thrombosis and urinary tract infections [12].
     
    - Obesity and trauma mortality:
    Sizing up the risks in motor vehicle crashes
    Joseph et al. (2016) http://www.obesityresearchclinicalpractice.com/article/S1871-403X(16)00022-3/pdf

    Even though Heather Heyer had the advantage of younger age (she was 32 years old I believe) and the accident (or intentional attack?) was a ``low-to-moderate speed'' impact crash, her being severely overweight probably put her at a much higher risk of mortality in this situation than other participants in the protest:

    "Low-speed" impact refers to 1-2 miles per hour and goes up to 20-25 mph. "Moderate speeds" are 25-40 mph and "high speeds" are 40 mph and over.
     
    - http://www.dynamicchiropractic.com/mpacms/dc/article.php?id=40251
    , @Jim Christian
    Hey, my folks retired to Lake Monticello near there. When Pop's club was too busy, we'd go play Birdwood. What a goat's path. A real dog of a course. Not the sort of course I'd wanna crash and burn on. Poor bastards.
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  • @Tyrion
    Faking a ZFG attitude is effective when it is combined with a base minimum competency in whatever it is you are doing. In a bar, with girls, you need to dress in reasonable clothes or be reasonable looking, for example.

    The problem is that whay you are doing is faking a ZFG attitude while howling at the moon, covered in your own sick and smelling so bad that chicks retch as you approach them.

    Therefore you come across as a lunatic, or, at best, an object of pity.

    I am a nice guy so I feel towards you as the latter. I pity you and am actually sort of on your team. Sadly for me.

    So please, please take my advice. Stop stinking. Clean the sick off you and be coherent.

    Or in prose terms, try to not to write like a satire of a mentally deranged moron. It does not help. Spewing shit will only attract flies.

    My Polish genetics make me yearn for a chance to wipe the enemy from the face of the earth.

    The second coming of Christ can’t come soon enough, hasbara troll.

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  • @Avery
    {..... (not to me, admittedly), I answered it}

    Right. You decided to stick your bovine snout into a 'conversation' between two other posters.
    No problem: it's an open forum.
    Anybody and everybody can join in the fun&games.
    But if you stick your bovine snout in, then your beef can get seared.
    Yes?


    { Apparently you don’t understand the meaning of the word “murder”.}

    Apparently I do.
    Because I am a humanoid and you are a beef.
    A ruminant.
    An ungulate.
    A beef.

    I also know the difference between killing, murder, war crimes, mass murder, ethnic cleansing, and......Genocide.

    PS: poster [Cyrano] said you are a (yawn) 'Ape' in another comment.
    He was either mistaken or he was being overly generous.
    Apes have _some_ intelligence.
    They are known to have used primitive tools, such as sticks, to obtain food.
    Beef, on the other, only know how to chew hay.
    Moo.

    Well, maybe you two can share meds, you’re both clearly in need. It’s starting to become clear why Turks don’t care much for Armenians.

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    Wow, the worn out 'meds' prescription trope again by Dr. Bovine, M.D.
    How original.


    { It’s starting to become clear why Turks don’t care much for Armenians.}

    Did it become clear before or after you had your daily ration of nutritious hay?
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  • @Jim Christian
    Spoken like the Heyer you are.

    Why can’t you see that this kind of mad dog trolling, enjoyable though it may be, can be counterproductive? American Renaissance says or said that their moderators reserved the right to hold opponents to lower standards. Freedom of expression is giving you enough rope to besmirch your people.

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    What's mad dog about it? Truth-telling hurt you? Where is anything I said not true? Besides, the besmirching we White guys get up to and including their wish that we all die, do you chastise them? Oprah? Black celebrities? Feminists? Did you mention your reservations to THEM? I suspect not, given you're one of them. Wish for all the White guys gone. WHO is to service and support the world after that, I know not, nor do you. It's the little things. Lights, electricity, water, food. No Blacks on the trucks restoring power I notice. No women, either.

    As we say in Boston, Screw.
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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    You asked a question (not to me, admittedly), I answered it. Apparently you don't understand the meaning of the word "murder".

    {….. (not to me, admittedly), I answered it}

    Right. You decided to stick your bovine snout into a ‘conversation’ between two other posters.
    No problem: it’s an open forum.
    Anybody and everybody can join in the fun&games.
    But if you stick your bovine snout in, then your beef can get seared.
    Yes?

    { Apparently you don’t understand the meaning of the word “murder”.}

    Apparently I do.
    Because I am a humanoid and you are a beef.
    A ruminant.
    An ungulate.
    A beef.

    I also know the difference between killing, murder, war crimes, mass murder, ethnic cleansing, and……Genocide.

    PS: poster [Cyrano] said you are a (yawn) ‘Ape’ in another comment.
    He was either mistaken or he was being overly generous.
    Apes have _some_ intelligence.
    They are known to have used primitive tools, such as sticks, to obtain food.
    Beef, on the other, only know how to chew hay.
    Moo.

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    Well, maybe you two can share meds, you're both clearly in need. It's starting to become clear why Turks don't care much for Armenians.
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  • @FKA Max
    I did some more digging because I was confused about a discrepancy in the photo and video evidence just before James Fields drove into the crowd of protestors.

    This photo clearly shows the Dodge's brake lights flashing:

    http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/charlottesville-protests-car-crash-blur-ap-jef-170812_4x3_992.jpg

    What confused me was that the brake lights did not seem to flash in the following video of James Fields driving down 4th Street in Charlottesville towards the crowd of protesters:

    Video shows car crashing into Charlottesville protest

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-Plzx73K68

    Then I found the following image, whose caption reads: ``If the Brake lights are Lit, You must Acquit! This is what the video doesn't Show, The Cameraman was panned down at the Moment!''

    https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_u/thumbs/2017/Aug/16/eebb51569ec5_sf_3.jpg

    Then I actually saw that in the very first moment/second of the above video the flashing brake lights can be seen, but after that, as stated above, the cameraman panned down and missed the rest of brake light action:

    https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/373/522/7522373.jpg

    We had a productive and entertaining comment discussion over in the other comment thread, which might be of interest to the readers and commenters of this article and comment thread.

    It started off here:

    What do you make of this picture just moments before the ramming of a “peaceful” protestor swinging at Fields’ Dodge?

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003431

    and then escalated fast with me being called “human scum” by one of the astute observers in that comment thread:

    you were trying to mislead with that bullshit screen cap. for that I deem you human scum.

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003901

    oh look, the human scum couldn’t spin it any longer.

    goodbye scum.

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2004307

    These are excerpts from my reply to the last comment:

    The city block the accident/attack happened on is about +/- 220 feet long. I used Google Maps to roughly calculate the distance.
    [...]
    Per the Fox News Youtube video it took James Fields’ Dodge about 6 seconds to travel that distance.

    If you use the following miles-per-hour to feet-per-second converter, 220 / 6 = 36.7 feet-per-second, which translates to about a speed of 25 miles-per-hour:

    http://www.kylesconverter.com/speed-or-velocity/miles-per-hour-to-feet-per-second

    This is way below the speed of 40 mph that was suggested and claimed, by one of the eye witnesses of the accident/attack, Fields’ car was supposed to have traveled at ( see video “charlottesville car attack debunked from victims with footage” for that eye witness account http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003431 )

    Not exactly a speed I personally would travel at to commit “attempted vehicular mass murder”, but that is just me, what do I know, I am just “human scum” according to the most astutest of observers.

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2004451

    I hope you enjoy it and can learn and take away some useful information from it.

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    The following is important information to take into account as well in this investigation.

    The fact that Fields was not driving at a very high rate of speed and that the crowd of protestors was mostly young people very likely significantly reduced the number of deaths and serious injuries in this accident/crash:


    The death rate more than doubles for pedestrians when speed increases from 25 to 35 m.p.h., said Kissinger. “That’s a big number. That’s something we hope all drivers will think about.”

    Pedestrian deaths from vehicle crashes “are still unacceptably high” even though they have gone down in recent years, he said. But with the country's strong focus on exercise and environmental issues that encourage people to walk and bike more, and a growing population that is aging, pedestrian injury and death will likely increase, he said. Older people, who may walk more when they are no longer able to drive, are particularly vulnerable.

    The study estimated that the risk of death for a 70-year-old pedestrian struck at any given speed is roughly equal to the risk of death for a 30-year-old struck by the same vehicle traveling 10 m.p.h. faster. For example, the risk of death for 70-year-old struck at 25 m.p.h. is approximately equal to the risk of death for a 30-year-old struck at 35 m.p.h..
     
    - https://www.forbes.com/sites/tanyamohn/2011/09/30/low-driving-speed-can-cause-serious-pedestrian-injury-and-death-report-finds/#6761a09857ff


    If my calculations are correct, Fields was actually driving at the Charlottesville city speed limit for most or all of the time he was traveling down 4th Street:

    City not ready to raise speed limits despite recommendations

    Charlottesville has no plans to increase the speed limits on several busy roads, despite recommendations from the city’s new traffic engineer that the posted limits on some streets are too low.

    Traffic engineer Rashad M. Hanbali counted traffic volumes at several locations across the city and concluded that limits on Brandywine Drive, Elliott Avenue, Greenbrier Drive and Locust Avenue should be higher than the posted 25 mph limit.
     
    - http://www.cvilletomorrow.org/news/article/25027-no-charlottesville-speed-limit-increases/

    Here another bird's eye view angle of 4th Street:

    https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/08/12/Local/Graphics/_tn_9001.10.2665493484_-jYbcH-tEeeysa66YoVN-g_2300-VAPROTEST0813.jpg
    , @Logan
    War is by definition not good for the production of wealth. Borrow large sums of money, use it to build stuff that you ship to the other side of the world and then destroy.

    Not a recipe for long-term financial advancement.
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  • @Anon
    Killing without justification.

    How'd I do?

    Just great.

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  • Where is the proff? Sounds like you’re just raging against people you don’t like. If you say you have proof, then fail to provide it, my only option is to believe you are lying. Which it certainly sounds like you are. Also, saying deandre harris is criminal by default because he’s black is insane and you should really get out im the world and meet people. Im now never reading anything your stupid ass writes again. goodbye.

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    You asked a question (not to me, admittedly), I answered it. Apparently you don't understand the meaning of the word "murder".

    Killing without justification.

    How’d I do?

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    Just great.
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  • @fnn
    Himmler was no academic.

    ” Himmler was no academic”

    You mean like the Professors at the university of Heidelberg who participated in the book burnings and were the most fervent supporters of the Nazi party. ( and the communist party in Russia)

    Academics have always been a troublesome lot of mostly idiots and nut-cases.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

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    • Replies: @fnn
    But you have to assume that Nazi racial scientists had some strong connection to the Nazi regime, which was totalitarian. Likely they were sometimes (or often) ignored for pragmatic reasons, not ideological ones. Also, some Ukrainians think that Erich Koch (a known former KPD member) was a secret Red agent. He was allowed to live a very long life in captivity, despite all his crimes.
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  • @Avery
    You again, Dr.Bovine, M.D.

    And......Yes: your Nazi forebears did murder about 15 million Slavic citizens of USSR.
    Also about 3 million ethnic Polish Christians (....aside from Polish Jews).
    I probably missed some other Slavic peoples that Nazis subjected to Genocide, but I am sure somebody will fill in what I missed.

    You asked a question (not to me, admittedly), I answered it. Apparently you don’t understand the meaning of the word “murder”.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Killing without justification.

    How'd I do?
    , @Avery
    {..... (not to me, admittedly), I answered it}

    Right. You decided to stick your bovine snout into a 'conversation' between two other posters.
    No problem: it's an open forum.
    Anybody and everybody can join in the fun&games.
    But if you stick your bovine snout in, then your beef can get seared.
    Yes?


    { Apparently you don’t understand the meaning of the word “murder”.}

    Apparently I do.
    Because I am a humanoid and you are a beef.
    A ruminant.
    An ungulate.
    A beef.

    I also know the difference between killing, murder, war crimes, mass murder, ethnic cleansing, and......Genocide.

    PS: poster [Cyrano] said you are a (yawn) 'Ape' in another comment.
    He was either mistaken or he was being overly generous.
    Apes have _some_ intelligence.
    They are known to have used primitive tools, such as sticks, to obtain food.
    Beef, on the other, only know how to chew hay.
    Moo.
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  • @Olorin
    Well, you just started commenting at Unz, so which leftist/Democrat PR firm do YOU work or more likely intern or contract for?

    PorterNovelli?

    Buying Time?

    AKPD?

    MWW Group?

    SKD Knickerbocker? That's my guess since I know you guys are sockpuppeting Terry McAuliffe and paving the way for his 2020 POTUS run.

    If I was to work for a PR company it would be Teneo and if I were to shill for a Democrat politician it would be Kamala Harris. She seems genuinely lovely.

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    No.

    You again, Dr.Bovine, M.D.

    And……Yes: your Nazi forebears did murder about 15 million Slavic citizens of USSR.
    Also about 3 million ethnic Polish Christians (….aside from Polish Jews).
    I probably missed some other Slavic peoples that Nazis subjected to Genocide, but I am sure somebody will fill in what I missed.

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    You asked a question (not to me, admittedly), I answered it. Apparently you don't understand the meaning of the word "murder".
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  • @Avery
    Enough of academic, theoretical BS: Did Nazis in practice murder - murder - Slavs as Untermenschen.

    Yes or No?

    No.

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    • Replies: @Avery
    You again, Dr.Bovine, M.D.

    And......Yes: your Nazi forebears did murder about 15 million Slavic citizens of USSR.
    Also about 3 million ethnic Polish Christians (....aside from Polish Jews).
    I probably missed some other Slavic peoples that Nazis subjected to Genocide, but I am sure somebody will fill in what I missed.
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  • @fnn
    "Himmler was Reichsführer."

    Himmler was a chicken farmer turned bureaucrat who got lucky for a while. If David Irving lives long enough to finish his biography of Himmler maybe we'll find he had some yet undiscovered genius. Until then, I'll think of him as a Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi who found himself in a very unusual and powerful position. Himmler was a such a distasteful, uninteresting yet bizarre figure I couldn't bear to seek out any standard academic work on him. I read the Padfield biography many years ago and much of it seemed fictional or speculative. A Chinese historian fluent in German would be the best fit for the Himmler story.

    Enough of academic, theoretical BS: Did Nazis in practice murder – murder – Slavs as Untermenschen.

    Yes or No?

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    No.
    , @fnn
    History is full of pointless killing (but if there's money to be made or some invented justification there's always a point of some kind ) , you hysterical bitch. Brits did plenty of it against the Boers, the Kikuyus, the Tibetans and others that get little publicity or sympathy. I don't who you're performing fellatio on, but the Soviets, the Soviet Jews and the Israelis have plenty of nasty stuff as well. You need a strong butt to the head to clam you down.
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  • @Avery
    {Himmler was no academic.}

    Academic shmacademic.
    Himmler was Reichsführer.
    You can be an 'academic' all you want: when a genocidal Nazi murders a 'subhuman' , it makes no difference. The victim of Nazis is still dead.


    If the effing so-called 'academics' had any influence on Hitler and his genocidal gang, then millions of Slavs would not have been murdered by the so-called Master Race.

    Academic Sh____heads had no say who Nazis murdered.
    Useless, irrelevant pieces of Sh___.

    “Himmler was Reichsführer.”

    Himmler was a chicken farmer turned bureaucrat who got lucky for a while. If David Irving lives long enough to finish his biography of Himmler maybe we’ll find he had some yet undiscovered genius. Until then, I’ll think of him as a Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi who found himself in a very unusual and powerful position. Himmler was a such a distasteful, uninteresting yet bizarre figure I couldn’t bear to seek out any standard academic work on him. I read the Padfield biography many years ago and much of it seemed fictional or speculative. A Chinese historian fluent in German would be the best fit for the Himmler story.

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    Enough of academic, theoretical BS: Did Nazis in practice murder - murder - Slavs as Untermenschen.

    Yes or No?
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  • @fnn
    Himmler was no academic.

    {Himmler was no academic.}

    Academic shmacademic.
    Himmler was Reichsführer.
    You can be an ‘academic‘ all you want: when a genocidal Nazi murders a ‘subhuman’ , it makes no difference. The victim of Nazis is still dead.

    If the effing so-called ‘academics’ had any influence on Hitler and his genocidal gang, then millions of Slavs would not have been murdered by the so-called Master Race.

    Academic Sh____heads had no say who Nazis murdered.
    Useless, irrelevant pieces of Sh___.

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    • Replies: @fnn
    "Himmler was Reichsführer."

    Himmler was a chicken farmer turned bureaucrat who got lucky for a while. If David Irving lives long enough to finish his biography of Himmler maybe we'll find he had some yet undiscovered genius. Until then, I'll think of him as a Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi who found himself in a very unusual and powerful position. Himmler was a such a distasteful, uninteresting yet bizarre figure I couldn't bear to seek out any standard academic work on him. I read the Padfield biography many years ago and much of it seemed fictional or speculative. A Chinese historian fluent in German would be the best fit for the Himmler story.
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  • @Logan
    "As my financial adviser remarked, nations don’t go bankrupt, they go to war."

    The theory behind that was to loot the enemy to revive the State. Worked for the Romans, the French revolutionaries, Napoleon and (in the early days of the war) the Nazis.

    Doesn't work anymore. Wealth does not really consist mostly anymore of physical stuff like gold and silver you can steal.

    War does of course still make a great distraction.

    She’s a good friend and I’ll raise the issue.

    The “Merchants of Death” make money off of war – manufacturing guns, planes, uniforms, etc., and providing jobs to both service personnel and people in the defense industry.

    War makes for good movies and tv shows. As a late boomer, I grew up on WWII programs.

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  • @fnn

    It’s obvious just from looking at them that Germans and Slavs are closely related, yet the Nazis used ostensibly scientific arguments to deny this and justify their conquest and enslavement of their eastern neighbors.
     
    Nazi racial scientists saw no racial differences between Germanics and Slavs. Likely The primary motivation for the intense economic exploitation of the Eastern Slavs was the desperate situation they found themselves in facing the North American economic Colossus.
    http://americanfreepress.net/podcast/Raciology.mp3


    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/03/13/racial-studies-of-jews-in-national-socialist-germany/


    The recently published book Race and the Third Reich by the Britisher Christo­pher M. Hutton is an excellent companion to Steinweis’ work. Hutton broadly agrees with Steinweis on the harmful content of Nazi racial studies, but he differs from Steinweis’ in several ways. First, Hutton makes a sharper dichotomy between National Socialist ideology and the scientific, non political, research done in racial studies in German and other European universities of the time. Hutton distinguishes between early ideologically-driven (1930–35) racial tracts when the NSDAP was seeking power and not yet firmly entrenched, and the later (1936-44) racial studies in Germany after the Party had secured its power. Aside from the Germans’ politically mandated application of their theories to the Jews, the techniques used in their racial studies were quite similar to those employed outside Germany.

    Hutton notes that official publications on race in the later years of Nazi rule actually emphasized that the term “Aryan” belonged to linguistics and was not a racial category at all. Influenced by Mendelian genetics, German racial anthropologists recognized that there was no necessary link between ideal physical appearance and ideal character. Eventually, Hutton states, when World War II threatened and Germany needed allies, terms such as “Nordi cism,” “Germanism,” and “Aryanism” that suggested exclusivity and elitism were discarded as a political liability. Indeed, near the end of the war many SS units were made up of Slavs, French, Belgians, Scandinavians, and even Arabs.
     

    Eventually, the Nazis dropped the master race propaganda garbage in favor of a holy war against godless Communism. Men from all over Europe, even Polish Galicians, served in the SS.

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  • @Tyrion

    “…I don’t like recycling Nazi language, as well, because I’m conscious of turning off the “normies….”

    The “normies” are only turned off by losers...meaning… that they will fall in line with whomever is able to assume/assert power.

    Engaging them in abstract reasoning is a waste of time.
     
    So your plan is to recycle the language of the most despised losers of the last century?

    Brilliant. You are a Machiavellian mastermind...

    “So your plan is to recycle the language of the most despised losers of the last century?”

    Great point, Tyrion! Another historical fact that the Neo-Nazis, aka Alt-Retards, choose to ignore.

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  • @Anonymous
    It was Hitler's German chauvinism that discredited racial science. It's obvious just from looking at them that Germans and Slavs are closely related, yet the Nazis used ostensibly scientific arguments to deny this and justify their conquest and enslavement of their eastern neighbors.

    You are exactly right. German, Slavs, Celts, Italians, etc., are a part of the great Indo-European f/k/a Aryan family tree. This includes the “Aryan” conquerors of India and Persia.

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  • @geokat62

    As for why Ron Unz chose to publish it despite those attributes, that’s a matter for speculation, obviously, as neither of us (presumably) know him well enough to know his mind or to have discussed it with him.
     
    Given the apparent storm of controversy generated by this article, it perhaps behooves our host to provide us with his rationale for choosing to publish this sort of article. Doing so might dampen all the wild speculation in which some are engaging.

    Ron Unz is a conscious agent of The Dark Force. That is why he published this here. What other explanation makes any sense?

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  • @2Mintzin1
    By publishing this vicious, incoherent crap, Unz is inviting condemnation of this entire website and anyone who writes for it.

    This article, well, more of a rant than anything else, really sounds like it was written by a troll SJW.

    Oh, no! Not condemnation. Say it isn’t so.

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  • @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    We live in a socialist country with a 20 trillion federal debt. A retired financial adviser friend said that the dirt will hit the fan, so to speak, around 2032. I've read that elsewhere, too.

    The Nazis indulged in deficit spending before WWII, too. That's one of the reasons they went to war. As my financial adviser remarked, nations don't go bankrupt, they go to war.

    The only system that works long term is living within one's means. That applies to an individual, a family and a country.

    “As my financial adviser remarked, nations don’t go bankrupt, they go to war.”

    The theory behind that was to loot the enemy to revive the State. Worked for the Romans, the French revolutionaries, Napoleon and (in the early days of the war) the Nazis.

    Doesn’t work anymore. Wealth does not really consist mostly anymore of physical stuff like gold and silver you can steal.

    War does of course still make a great distraction.

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    She's a good friend and I'll raise the issue.

    The "Merchants of Death" make money off of war - manufacturing guns, planes, uniforms, etc., and providing jobs to both service personnel and people in the defense industry.

    War makes for good movies and tv shows. As a late boomer, I grew up on WWII programs.
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  • @Avery
    {Nazi racial scientists saw no racial differences between Germanics and Slavs.}

    Are you serious?

    [On the infinite a steppes of Russian territory lay Eastern Europe. A sharp contrast is noticed when comparing central Europe with this enormous space. On both sides of the border is the same earth but not the same man.
    It is the man who makes his mark on the landscape, while on the German side is planned orderly fields yielding abundant harvests; the other side is only impenetrable forests, vast and unkempt, miles of uninhabited steppes where even the rivers wind endlessly through the nothingness.
    This poorly kept land which hides fertile soil could be a paradise for man, a potential "California of Europe" alive with fields and fruit, but instead it lies neglected and wasted, lost to the abyss of cultural nihilism.
    This land cries out against the subhuman (Russian/Slav) and his wasteful ways!] (Der Untermensch: Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler 1935)

    Himmler was no academic.

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    {Himmler was no academic.}

    Academic shmacademic.
    Himmler was Reichsführer.
    You can be an 'academic' all you want: when a genocidal Nazi murders a 'subhuman' , it makes no difference. The victim of Nazis is still dead.


    If the effing so-called 'academics' had any influence on Hitler and his genocidal gang, then millions of Slavs would not have been murdered by the so-called Master Race.

    Academic Sh____heads had no say who Nazis murdered.
    Useless, irrelevant pieces of Sh___.

    , @Authenticjazzman
    " Himmler was no academic"

    You mean like the Professors at the university of Heidelberg who participated in the book burnings and were the most fervent supporters of the Nazi party. ( and the communist party in Russia)

    Academics have always been a troublesome lot of mostly idiots and nut-cases.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.
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  • @Tyrion

    I was pointing out that Le Happy Merchant–something a surprising (IME) number of people haven’t encountered on the Internet–is a rather old meme.

    You chose to take it personally. Also to ignore my main point:

    It is more anti-Semitic to take this sort of thing seriously than to merely shrug it off
     

    Could I have been clearer in saying that I did not take it personally? Well without writing exactly those words?

    Here is what I wrote - which amounts to the same thing.

    Also, why all the cartoonish anti-Semitism? It doesn’t bother me directly as I’m Jewish and feel no guilt from not being bothered by it and viewing it merely as a bit sad but how on earth does it help?

    Furthermore, I am of the mind that it should be impossible to take anti-Semitism of any kind personally. Or racism or sexism or any other of these group-based insults. I mean what could be less personal than a group and therefore non-individual insult?

    Now the fat stuff about Heather Heyer was a personal insult about her, and I didn't love the insulting mocking tone to the innocent dead.

    As for your supposed main point:


    It is more anti-Semitic to take this sort of thing seriously than to merely shrug it off.
     
    Is is more anti whatever you are that I am taking your obvious stupidity seriously rather than merely shrugging it off? See above for evidence.

    Well, you just started commenting at Unz, so which leftist/Democrat PR firm do YOU work or more likely intern or contract for?

    PorterNovelli?

    Buying Time?

    AKPD?

    MWW Group?

    SKD Knickerbocker? That’s my guess since I know you guys are sockpuppeting Terry McAuliffe and paving the way for his 2020 POTUS run.

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    If I was to work for a PR company it would be Teneo and if I were to shill for a Democrat politician it would be Kamala Harris. She seems genuinely lovely.
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  • @Sean
    Nothing she was, did or failed to do was/ is remotely contributory compared to your counter productive writing.

    Spoken like the Heyer you are.

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    Why can't you see that this kind of mad dog trolling, enjoyable though it may be, can be counterproductive? American Renaissance says or said that their moderators reserved the right to hold opponents to lower standards. Freedom of expression is giving you enough rope to besmirch your people.
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  • @Stonehands
    Where in the comments of mine that you block- posted did I advocate recycling "language"?

    The topic of this thread is the physical mincing of fat Heather the society destroyer...

    Aww...but l am so sorry if l upset you-snowflake- conjuring up "feelings" of those ebil Nazis who were soooo, so cruel to homo and commie Jews of your ilk.

    Faking a ZFG attitude is effective when it is combined with a base minimum competency in whatever it is you are doing. In a bar, with girls, you need to dress in reasonable clothes or be reasonable looking, for example.

    The problem is that whay you are doing is faking a ZFG attitude while howling at the moon, covered in your own sick and smelling so bad that chicks retch as you approach them.

    Therefore you come across as a lunatic, or, at best, an object of pity.

    I am a nice guy so I feel towards you as the latter. I pity you and am actually sort of on your team. Sadly for me.

    So please, please take my advice. Stop stinking. Clean the sick off you and be coherent.

    Or in prose terms, try to not to write like a satire of a mentally deranged moron. It does not help. Spewing shit will only attract flies.

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    My Polish genetics make me yearn for a chance to wipe the enemy from the face of the earth.

    The second coming of Christ can't come soon enough, hasbara troll.
    , @Jim Christian

    In a bar, with girls, you need to dress in reasonable clothes or be reasonable looking, for example. I am a nice guy so I feel towards you as the latter. I pity you and am actually sort of on your team. Sadly for me.
     
    Well, that explains it, White Knight, errr, Tyrion. Nice guys get no pussy. Instead of taking the blame, you try to get all the others to join you in your niceties and no-pussy-gittin' ways.

    Pass.

    Now go take a fat chick to dinner. At her natural grazing ground. MacDonalds.
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  • @Tyrion

    “…I don’t like recycling Nazi language, as well, because I’m conscious of turning off the “normies….”

    The “normies” are only turned off by losers...meaning… that they will fall in line with whomever is able to assume/assert power.

    Engaging them in abstract reasoning is a waste of time.
     
    So your plan is to recycle the language of the most despised losers of the last century?

    Brilliant. You are a Machiavellian mastermind...

    Where in the comments of mine that you block- posted did I advocate recycling “language”?

    The topic of this thread is the physical mincing of fat Heather the society destroyer…

    Aww…but l am so sorry if l upset you-snowflake- conjuring up “feelings” of those ebil Nazis who were soooo, so cruel to homo and commie Jews of your ilk.

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    Faking a ZFG attitude is effective when it is combined with a base minimum competency in whatever it is you are doing. In a bar, with girls, you need to dress in reasonable clothes or be reasonable looking, for example.

    The problem is that whay you are doing is faking a ZFG attitude while howling at the moon, covered in your own sick and smelling so bad that chicks retch as you approach them.

    Therefore you come across as a lunatic, or, at best, an object of pity.

    I am a nice guy so I feel towards you as the latter. I pity you and am actually sort of on your team. Sadly for me.

    So please, please take my advice. Stop stinking. Clean the sick off you and be coherent.

    Or in prose terms, try to not to write like a satire of a mentally deranged moron. It does not help. Spewing shit will only attract flies.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @fnn

    It’s obvious just from looking at them that Germans and Slavs are closely related, yet the Nazis used ostensibly scientific arguments to deny this and justify their conquest and enslavement of their eastern neighbors.
     
    Nazi racial scientists saw no racial differences between Germanics and Slavs. Likely The primary motivation for the intense economic exploitation of the Eastern Slavs was the desperate situation they found themselves in facing the North American economic Colossus.
    http://americanfreepress.net/podcast/Raciology.mp3


    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/03/13/racial-studies-of-jews-in-national-socialist-germany/


    The recently published book Race and the Third Reich by the Britisher Christo­pher M. Hutton is an excellent companion to Steinweis’ work. Hutton broadly agrees with Steinweis on the harmful content of Nazi racial studies, but he differs from Steinweis’ in several ways. First, Hutton makes a sharper dichotomy between National Socialist ideology and the scientific, non political, research done in racial studies in German and other European universities of the time. Hutton distinguishes between early ideologically-driven (1930–35) racial tracts when the NSDAP was seeking power and not yet firmly entrenched, and the later (1936-44) racial studies in Germany after the Party had secured its power. Aside from the Germans’ politically mandated application of their theories to the Jews, the techniques used in their racial studies were quite similar to those employed outside Germany.

    Hutton notes that official publications on race in the later years of Nazi rule actually emphasized that the term “Aryan” belonged to linguistics and was not a racial category at all. Influenced by Mendelian genetics, German racial anthropologists recognized that there was no necessary link between ideal physical appearance and ideal character. Eventually, Hutton states, when World War II threatened and Germany needed allies, terms such as “Nordi cism,” “Germanism,” and “Aryanism” that suggested exclusivity and elitism were discarded as a political liability. Indeed, near the end of the war many SS units were made up of Slavs, French, Belgians, Scandinavians, and even Arabs.
     

    “near the end of the war”. Well yes, it took until 1944 for the Germans to change policy on this issue, by which time it was too little too late.

    I think it’s fair to distinguish between two different kinds of Nazism, the early German chauvinist type and the later pan-European type (exemplified by the multinational Waffen SS.) Modern neo-Nazism traces its lineage to the latter phase of the movement.

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  • @Jim Christian

    I bet you are more of a thug and a lot closer to 400lbs that she was.
     
    Actually, A-Hole, no I'm not. But I am 6'1', around 190 these days. Look me up in Boston Facebook. My profile pic, leaning up against a NASCAR stocker in an unnamed garage down in Charlotte last year, is the real deal. But you can defend the obese land whale contributing to the chaos who died a deserved death in Charlottesville. Heyer, that wouldn't make her a Jew-ess, would it? I hear around these parts that they are a chaotic and murderous and thuggish lot themselves, capable of much destruction. Heyers however, mostly destroyed cheesecake from the look of it.

    If I could, I'd piss on her grave. She's contributory. That's her legacy. It's UVA's legacy, too. A lot of Pretty Little Lies come out of Charlottesville these days. A consequence of a college pushing the Diversity Agenda and the self-immolating Whites who make it all possible..

    Nothing she was, did or failed to do was/ is remotely contributory compared to your counter productive writing.

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  • @fnn

    It’s obvious just from looking at them that Germans and Slavs are closely related, yet the Nazis used ostensibly scientific arguments to deny this and justify their conquest and enslavement of their eastern neighbors.
     
    Nazi racial scientists saw no racial differences between Germanics and Slavs. Likely The primary motivation for the intense economic exploitation of the Eastern Slavs was the desperate situation they found themselves in facing the North American economic Colossus.
    http://americanfreepress.net/podcast/Raciology.mp3


    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/03/13/racial-studies-of-jews-in-national-socialist-germany/


    The recently published book Race and the Third Reich by the Britisher Christo­pher M. Hutton is an excellent companion to Steinweis’ work. Hutton broadly agrees with Steinweis on the harmful content of Nazi racial studies, but he differs from Steinweis’ in several ways. First, Hutton makes a sharper dichotomy between National Socialist ideology and the scientific, non political, research done in racial studies in German and other European universities of the time. Hutton distinguishes between early ideologically-driven (1930–35) racial tracts when the NSDAP was seeking power and not yet firmly entrenched, and the later (1936-44) racial studies in Germany after the Party had secured its power. Aside from the Germans’ politically mandated application of their theories to the Jews, the techniques used in their racial studies were quite similar to those employed outside Germany.

    Hutton notes that official publications on race in the later years of Nazi rule actually emphasized that the term “Aryan” belonged to linguistics and was not a racial category at all. Influenced by Mendelian genetics, German racial anthropologists recognized that there was no necessary link between ideal physical appearance and ideal character. Eventually, Hutton states, when World War II threatened and Germany needed allies, terms such as “Nordi cism,” “Germanism,” and “Aryanism” that suggested exclusivity and elitism were discarded as a political liability. Indeed, near the end of the war many SS units were made up of Slavs, French, Belgians, Scandinavians, and even Arabs.
     

    {Nazi racial scientists saw no racial differences between Germanics and Slavs.}

    Are you serious?

    [On the infinite a steppes of Russian territory lay Eastern Europe. A sharp contrast is noticed when comparing central Europe with this enormous space. On both sides of the border is the same earth but not the same man.
    It is the man who makes his mark on the landscape, while on the German side is planned orderly fields yielding abundant harvests; the other side is only impenetrable forests, vast and unkempt, miles of uninhabited steppes where even the rivers wind endlessly through the nothingness.
    This poorly kept land which hides fertile soil could be a paradise for man, a potential "California of Europe" alive with fields and fruit, but instead it lies neglected and wasted, lost to the abyss of cultural nihilism.
    This land cries out against the subhuman (Russian/Slav) and his wasteful ways!] (Der Untermensch: Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler 1935)

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  • @Anonymous
    It was Hitler's German chauvinism that discredited racial science. It's obvious just from looking at them that Germans and Slavs are closely related, yet the Nazis used ostensibly scientific arguments to deny this and justify their conquest and enslavement of their eastern neighbors.

    It’s obvious just from looking at them that Germans and Slavs are closely related, yet the Nazis used ostensibly scientific arguments to deny this and justify their conquest and enslavement of their eastern neighbors.

    Nazi racial scientists saw no racial differences between Germanics and Slavs. Likely The primary motivation for the intense economic exploitation of the Eastern Slavs was the desperate situation they found themselves in facing the North American economic Colossus.


    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/03/13/racial-studies-of-jews-in-national-socialist-germany/

    The recently published book Race and the Third Reich by the Britisher Christo­pher M. Hutton is an excellent companion to Steinweis’ work. Hutton broadly agrees with Steinweis on the harmful content of Nazi racial studies, but he differs from Steinweis’ in several ways. First, Hutton makes a sharper dichotomy between National Socialist ideology and the scientific, non political, research done in racial studies in German and other European universities of the time. Hutton distinguishes between early ideologically-driven (1930–35) racial tracts when the NSDAP was seeking power and not yet firmly entrenched, and the later (1936-44) racial studies in Germany after the Party had secured its power. Aside from the Germans’ politically mandated application of their theories to the Jews, the techniques used in their racial studies were quite similar to those employed outside Germany.

    Hutton notes that official publications on race in the later years of Nazi rule actually emphasized that the term “Aryan” belonged to linguistics and was not a racial category at all. Influenced by Mendelian genetics, German racial anthropologists recognized that there was no necessary link between ideal physical appearance and ideal character. Eventually, Hutton states, when World War II threatened and Germany needed allies, terms such as “Nordi cism,” “Germanism,” and “Aryanism” that suggested exclusivity and elitism were discarded as a political liability. Indeed, near the end of the war many SS units were made up of Slavs, French, Belgians, Scandinavians, and even Arabs.

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    {Nazi racial scientists saw no racial differences between Germanics and Slavs.}

    Are you serious?

    [On the infinite a steppes of Russian territory lay Eastern Europe. A sharp contrast is noticed when comparing central Europe with this enormous space. On both sides of the border is the same earth but not the same man.
    It is the man who makes his mark on the landscape, while on the German side is planned orderly fields yielding abundant harvests; the other side is only impenetrable forests, vast and unkempt, miles of uninhabited steppes where even the rivers wind endlessly through the nothingness.
    This poorly kept land which hides fertile soil could be a paradise for man, a potential "California of Europe" alive with fields and fruit, but instead it lies neglected and wasted, lost to the abyss of cultural nihilism.
    This land cries out against the subhuman (Russian/Slav) and his wasteful ways!] (Der Untermensch: Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler 1935)
    , @Anonymous
    "near the end of the war". Well yes, it took until 1944 for the Germans to change policy on this issue, by which time it was too little too late.

    I think it's fair to distinguish between two different kinds of Nazism, the early German chauvinist type and the later pan-European type (exemplified by the multinational Waffen SS.) Modern neo-Nazism traces its lineage to the latter phase of the movement.

    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Eventually, the Nazis dropped the master race propaganda garbage in favor of a holy war against godless Communism. Men from all over Europe, even Polish Galicians, served in the SS.
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  • @MEH 0910

    Here ya go:

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2017/09/07/charlottesville-reconstructing-heather-heyer-movements/
     
    Thank you for the link to the informative Hunter Wallace piece. If Unz was going to feature a piece from Occidental Dissent, why wasn't it that Wallace piece instead of this mess from Marcus Cicero?

    If Unz was going to feature a piece from Occidental Dissent, why wasn’t it that Wallace piece instead of this mess from Marcus Cicero?

    If we are going to speculate on his motivation, my view is as set out above – it was a deliberate middle finger to the censors amongst Ron’s peers. After all, it was precisely this “insulting the saintly victim Heyer” stuff that was supposedly the trigger for the banishing of TDS (?) to the outer darkness.

    And good for him, imo. As a fringe benefit, sometimes nasty “shock jock” stuff can be a useful trigger for productive discussion of issues that are otherwise left in the closet, as in this case. If nothing else, it helps to break up the media canonisation of the victim, as with the portrayal of dead black thugs by whitewashing (sic) their appearance and past history.

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  • @FKA Max
    I want to add one more observation, that might be crucial for James Fields' defense, and which, in my opinion, seriously puts in doubt that he either pre-planned or intended at all to crash his car or harm anyone, especially with/in that particular car.

    It seems to me that the Dodge Challenger was James Fields' pride and joy (see picture below), plus, he, most likely, bought it with money that he inherited from his late father, who was killed in a car accident, which probably makes/made the car be of an even higher sentimental value to him than it already ordinarily would have been.

    I am pretty sure, that if James Fields had intended to kill as many people as possible and had terroristic intent, that he would have likely rented a car, and it would have probably been some type of big van to inflict as much damage as possible, like the Islamic terrorists in Europe usually use and do, not a fancy, pimped-out American sports car that reminded him of and he associated with his late father.

    According to Cincinnati.com, the Challenger was purchased by its latest owner in June 2015 in Florence, Kentucky, from Kerry Toyota. One month later the title was updated in Maumee. The vehicle was not stolen.

    Fields does not appear to have a previous criminal history. He last lived in Maumee, Ohio, about 15 miles southwest of Toledo. He was working as a security officer for Securitas Security Services USA and was on previously requested vacation time when the crash occurred. Securitas said in a brief statement that he has since been fired.

    Fields worked for Securitas from May 5, 2016 to July 5, 2016 and then from November 23, 2016 to Monday, when he was fired. He had a security officer license from Ohio and “performed his duties satisfactorily.”
    [...]
    Fields’ father was killed by a drunk driver just a few months after he was born, an uncle told The Washington Post. His father left Fields money that his uncle had kept in a trust until Fields was 18.

    When he turned 18, he demanded his money, and that was the last I had any contact with him.
     
    - http://heavy.com/news/2017/08/james-alex-fields-jr-charlottesville-suspect-arrested-driver-crashed-rally-republican-age-bio-video/

    https://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2017/08/14/dcbfc1b5-bfde-4c9f-9a3f-b42c272c238f/crop/600x337+0+0/resize/620x/d8df74200d3d01ce1344eab17dae38b5/170813-facebook-james-alex-fields-with-car-horizontal.jpg

    I did some more digging because I was confused about a discrepancy in the photo and video evidence just before James Fields drove into the crowd of protestors.

    This photo clearly shows the Dodge’s brake lights flashing:

    What confused me was that the brake lights did not seem to flash in the following video of James Fields driving down 4th Street in Charlottesville towards the crowd of protesters:

    Video shows car crashing into Charlottesville protest

    Then I found the following image, whose caption reads: “If the Brake lights are Lit, You must Acquit! This is what the video doesn’t Show, The Cameraman was panned down at the Moment!

    Then I actually saw that in the very first moment/second of the above video the flashing brake lights can be seen, but after that, as stated above, the cameraman panned down and missed the rest of brake light action:

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    We had a productive and entertaining comment discussion over in the other comment thread, which might be of interest to the readers and commenters of this article and comment thread.

    It started off here:

    What do you make of this picture just moments before the ramming of a “peaceful” protestor swinging at Fields’ Dodge?
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003431

    and then escalated fast with me being called ``human scum'' by one of the astute observers in that comment thread:

    you were trying to mislead with that bullshit screen cap. for that I deem you human scum.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003901

    oh look, the human scum couldn’t spin it any longer.

    goodbye scum.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2004307

    These are excerpts from my reply to the last comment:


    The city block the accident/attack happened on is about +/- 220 feet long. I used Google Maps to roughly calculate the distance.
    [...]
    Per the Fox News Youtube video it took James Fields’ Dodge about 6 seconds to travel that distance.

    If you use the following miles-per-hour to feet-per-second converter, 220 / 6 = 36.7 feet-per-second, which translates to about a speed of 25 miles-per-hour:

    http://www.kylesconverter.com/speed-or-velocity/miles-per-hour-to-feet-per-second

    This is way below the speed of 40 mph that was suggested and claimed, by one of the eye witnesses of the accident/attack, Fields’ car was supposed to have traveled at ( see video “charlottesville car attack debunked from victims with footage” for that eye witness account http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003431 )

    Not exactly a speed I personally would travel at to commit “attempted vehicular mass murder”, but that is just me, what do I know, I am just “human scum” according to the most astutest of observers.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2004451

    https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-CQ840A_VIRGI_9U_20170813145734.jpg

    I hope you enjoy it and can learn and take away some useful information from it.
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  • @Stonehands
    "...I don’t like recycling Nazi language, as well, because I’m conscious of turning off the “normies...."




    The "normies" are only turned off by losers...meaning... that they will fall in line with whomever is able to assume/assert power.

    Engaging them in abstract reasoning is a waste of time.

    “…I don’t like recycling Nazi language, as well, because I’m conscious of turning off the “normies….”

    The “normies” are only turned off by losers…meaning… that they will fall in line with whomever is able to assume/assert power.

    Engaging them in abstract reasoning is a waste of time.

    So your plan is to recycle the language of the most despised losers of the last century?

    Brilliant. You are a Machiavellian mastermind…

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    Where in the comments of mine that you block- posted did I advocate recycling "language"?

    The topic of this thread is the physical mincing of fat Heather the society destroyer...

    Aww...but l am so sorry if l upset you-snowflake- conjuring up "feelings" of those ebil Nazis who were soooo, so cruel to homo and commie Jews of your ilk.
    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    "So your plan is to recycle the language of the most despised losers of the last century?"

    Great point, Tyrion! Another historical fact that the Neo-Nazis, aka Alt-Retards, choose to ignore.
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  • @Olorin
    I was pointing out that Le Happy Merchant--something a surprising (IME) number of people haven't encountered on the Internet--is a rather old meme.

    You chose to take it personally. Also to ignore my main point:

    It is more anti-Semitic to take this sort of thing seriously than to merely shrug it off.

    I was pointing out that Le Happy Merchant–something a surprising (IME) number of people haven’t encountered on the Internet–is a rather old meme.

    You chose to take it personally. Also to ignore my main point:

    It is more anti-Semitic to take this sort of thing seriously than to merely shrug it off

    Could I have been clearer in saying that I did not take it personally? Well without writing exactly those words?

    Here is what I wrote – which amounts to the same thing.

    Also, why all the cartoonish anti-Semitism? It doesn’t bother me directly as I’m Jewish and feel no guilt from not being bothered by it and viewing it merely as a bit sad but how on earth does it help?

    Furthermore, I am of the mind that it should be impossible to take anti-Semitism of any kind personally. Or racism or sexism or any other of these group-based insults. I mean what could be less personal than a group and therefore non-individual insult?

    Now the fat stuff about Heather Heyer was a personal insult about her, and I didn’t love the insulting mocking tone to the innocent dead.

    As for your supposed main point:

    It is more anti-Semitic to take this sort of thing seriously than to merely shrug it off.

    Is is more anti whatever you are that I am taking your obvious stupidity seriously rather than merely shrugging it off? See above for evidence.

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    Well, you just started commenting at Unz, so which leftist/Democrat PR firm do YOU work or more likely intern or contract for?

    PorterNovelli?

    Buying Time?

    AKPD?

    MWW Group?

    SKD Knickerbocker? That's my guess since I know you guys are sockpuppeting Terry McAuliffe and paving the way for his 2020 POTUS run.

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  • @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    I don't understand the Nazi support by some in the alt-right.

    They ignore the fact that Nazis invaded the Soviet Union not to liberate the captive peoples of the Soviet empire, but for lebensraum and intended to exterminate, enslave or expel the Slavic inhabitants. Millions of people throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East, mostly white, suffered and died due to the actions of Adolf Hitler and his thugs. Those minor details of history go down the memory hole.

    Nazi symbolism is still toxic in the West. They're alienating potential supporters by waving their banners around and heil hitlering. There are other forms of national socialism, such as Arab baathism. Create a new form, but lay off the swastikas. Sheesh.

    It was Hitler’s German chauvinism that discredited racial science. It’s obvious just from looking at them that Germans and Slavs are closely related, yet the Nazis used ostensibly scientific arguments to deny this and justify their conquest and enslavement of their eastern neighbors.

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    It’s obvious just from looking at them that Germans and Slavs are closely related, yet the Nazis used ostensibly scientific arguments to deny this and justify their conquest and enslavement of their eastern neighbors.
     
    Nazi racial scientists saw no racial differences between Germanics and Slavs. Likely The primary motivation for the intense economic exploitation of the Eastern Slavs was the desperate situation they found themselves in facing the North American economic Colossus.
    http://americanfreepress.net/podcast/Raciology.mp3


    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/03/13/racial-studies-of-jews-in-national-socialist-germany/


    The recently published book Race and the Third Reich by the Britisher Christo­pher M. Hutton is an excellent companion to Steinweis’ work. Hutton broadly agrees with Steinweis on the harmful content of Nazi racial studies, but he differs from Steinweis’ in several ways. First, Hutton makes a sharper dichotomy between National Socialist ideology and the scientific, non political, research done in racial studies in German and other European universities of the time. Hutton distinguishes between early ideologically-driven (1930–35) racial tracts when the NSDAP was seeking power and not yet firmly entrenched, and the later (1936-44) racial studies in Germany after the Party had secured its power. Aside from the Germans’ politically mandated application of their theories to the Jews, the techniques used in their racial studies were quite similar to those employed outside Germany.

    Hutton notes that official publications on race in the later years of Nazi rule actually emphasized that the term “Aryan” belonged to linguistics and was not a racial category at all. Influenced by Mendelian genetics, German racial anthropologists recognized that there was no necessary link between ideal physical appearance and ideal character. Eventually, Hutton states, when World War II threatened and Germany needed allies, terms such as “Nordi cism,” “Germanism,” and “Aryanism” that suggested exclusivity and elitism were discarded as a political liability. Indeed, near the end of the war many SS units were made up of Slavs, French, Belgians, Scandinavians, and even Arabs.
     

    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    You are exactly right. German, Slavs, Celts, Italians, etc., are a part of the great Indo-European f/k/a Aryan family tree. This includes the "Aryan" conquerors of India and Persia.
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  • @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    I've pointed out that Jews were in the forefront of political radicalism and cultural subversion going back to the 19th Century. An Austrian Army veteran from WWI rose to prominence pointing out that fact. Nowaday, there are plenty of gentile turncoats involved, such as the WASPs Bill and Hill Clinton.

    I don't like recycling Nazi language, as well, because I'm conscious of turning off the "normies." I want them on our side.

    “…I don’t like recycling Nazi language, as well, because I’m conscious of turning off the “normies….”

    The “normies” are only turned off by losers...meaning… that they will fall in line with whomever is able to assume/assert power.

    Engaging them in abstract reasoning is a waste of time.

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    “…I don’t like recycling Nazi language, as well, because I’m conscious of turning off the “normies….”

    The “normies” are only turned off by losers...meaning… that they will fall in line with whomever is able to assume/assert power.

    Engaging them in abstract reasoning is a waste of time.
     
    So your plan is to recycle the language of the most despised losers of the last century?

    Brilliant. You are a Machiavellian mastermind...
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  • @Tyrion
    I called the article 'cartoonish' and you are haranguing me for taking it all too seriously...

    I was pointing out that Le Happy Merchant–something a surprising (IME) number of people haven’t encountered on the Internet–is a rather old meme.

    You chose to take it personally. Also to ignore my main point:

    It is more anti-Semitic to take this sort of thing seriously than to merely shrug it off.

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    I was pointing out that Le Happy Merchant–something a surprising (IME) number of people haven’t encountered on the Internet–is a rather old meme.

    You chose to take it personally. Also to ignore my main point:

    It is more anti-Semitic to take this sort of thing seriously than to merely shrug it off
     

    Could I have been clearer in saying that I did not take it personally? Well without writing exactly those words?

    Here is what I wrote - which amounts to the same thing.

    Also, why all the cartoonish anti-Semitism? It doesn’t bother me directly as I’m Jewish and feel no guilt from not being bothered by it and viewing it merely as a bit sad but how on earth does it help?

    Furthermore, I am of the mind that it should be impossible to take anti-Semitism of any kind personally. Or racism or sexism or any other of these group-based insults. I mean what could be less personal than a group and therefore non-individual insult?

    Now the fat stuff about Heather Heyer was a personal insult about her, and I didn't love the insulting mocking tone to the innocent dead.

    As for your supposed main point:


    It is more anti-Semitic to take this sort of thing seriously than to merely shrug it off.
     
    Is is more anti whatever you are that I am taking your obvious stupidity seriously rather than merely shrugging it off? See above for evidence.
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  • @SteveRogers42
    Here ya go:

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2017/09/07/charlottesville-reconstructing-heather-heyer-movements/

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2017/09/06/heather-heyer-was-allowed-to-commit-crimes/

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2017/09/05/heather-heyer-died-of-a-heart-attack/

    Here ya go:

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2017/09/07/charlottesville-reconstructing-heather-heyer-movements/

    Thank you for the link to the informative Hunter Wallace piece. If Unz was going to feature a piece from Occidental Dissent, why wasn’t it that Wallace piece instead of this mess from Marcus Cicero?

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    If Unz was going to feature a piece from Occidental Dissent, why wasn’t it that Wallace piece instead of this mess from Marcus Cicero?
     
    If we are going to speculate on his motivation, my view is as set out above - it was a deliberate middle finger to the censors amongst Ron's peers. After all, it was precisely this "insulting the saintly victim Heyer" stuff that was supposedly the trigger for the banishing of TDS (?) to the outer darkness.

    And good for him, imo. As a fringe benefit, sometimes nasty "shock jock" stuff can be a useful trigger for productive discussion of issues that are otherwise left in the closet, as in this case. If nothing else, it helps to break up the media canonisation of the victim, as with the portrayal of dead black thugs by whitewashing (sic) their appearance and past history.
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  • @Alden
    FKA Max

    Sure you're on the right site??? What do the above clip and pastes from religious history sites have to do with this article or anything going on in this century? There are plenty of anti Catholic sites where the lunatics can hoot and holler about the Whore of Babylon and the Scarlet Woman Rome

    Just some context for new readers and commenters. Alden and I have somewhat of a history together here in the Unz Review comment threads/sections:

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    Indeed, I am just a humble copier and paster. And you are most definitively the World’s greatest defender of free speech, bar none. That. Is. A. Fact.

    You have been surprisingly congenial lately, Alden. You are not going soft on us and me, are you?

    No hellfire and brimstone and no demands for a speech/commenting ban for me anymore?

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-battles-of-berkeley-someone-is-going-to-get-killed-where-is-trump/#comment-1842889

    The reason I copy and paste so much and extensively is two-fold: firstly, I am not a very good and eloquent writer myself and I want to give proper credit to much better writers and researchers than myself; secondly, I never know if the articles, blogs and websites, I link to, will still be available and in existence online a week from now or not, with all the censorship that is going online and in general. By copying and pasting the most essential core ideas and information of these other people’s research and writings, and sharing them here at the Unz Review they will at least be partly archived/available for future reference, in case their writings, research and their websites and blogs get censored or deleted. I try to copy and paste as efficiently and minimally as I can, but sometimes more lengthy copy-&-pastes are required to maintain the context, integrity etc. of the information/idea.

    Also again, on one of my favorite pet peeves, the Catholic Church
    [...]
    Would America have the Free Speech battles and see the rise of White Nationalism in California and all over the country if the Catholic Church had not gotten its way on immigration, etc.? I don’t think so.
    [...]
    The chaos and violence we are now witnessing in California and in Berkeley is most definitely the result of [a] long-standing Catholic Church conspiracy against the traditional and historic American culture (Protestant) and peoples (North-West Europeans), in my opinion. Yes with some help from the Jewish community, but the Catholic Church was/is the main driver behind this pro-mass-immigration and pro-open borders policy and propaganda, in my opinion.

    This is why I keep banging on about this, because if Americans do not understand the root cause of these problems they are facing, they will not be able to fix this mess, and we will see more and more “Battles of Berkeley.”

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-battles-of-berkeley-someone-is-going-to-get-killed-where-is-trump/#comment-1843877

    I believe, speaking about the crucial role the Catholic Church plays and has played when it comes to U.S. immigration policy, etc. and how this ties into the attacks on Americans’ First Amendment rights, etc. we are witnessing now, is more relevant and important than it has ever been after Steve Bannon “mainstreamed” this issue in his recent “60 Minutes” interview:

    [...] he is speaking the truth in this CBS “60 Minutes” interview:

    Steve Bannon on Trump’s DACA decision, Catholic church

    http://www.unz.com/article/steve-bannon-and-trumps-populist-victory/#comment-1997511

    Catholic Church Reacts To Bannon’s Comments On Immigration

    CBS New York
    Published on Sep 7, 2017
    Steve Bannon caused a stir with comments about the Catholic Church. In a “60 Minutes” interview, the former chief strategist to President Donald Trump said the church has an “economic interest” in illegal immigration. CBS2′s Tony Aiello with more.

    The Cathedral Stands Up

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-1999343

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  • @woodNfish
    Hey dumbass what part of "nationalism" has anything to do with race you F'ing moron.

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  • @Anon
    Most American Jews are far to the left of Israeli Jews

    Not really. Both are being ethnocentric within specific contexts.

    In Israel where Jews are the majority, it is in their interest to be nationalist.

    In the US where Jews are the minority(elites), it is in their interest to undermine majority gentile power with 'progressivism'.

    Surely, even the most rightist white person would prefer liberalism in a society that is 95% blacks. Would he want blacks to be filled with black national pride.. potentially against whitey?

    Exactly. Do American Jews support an Israeli state that does not self-identify as Jewish? Obviously not. (Ditto for any claims of broad support for a two state solution that leaves Israel on equal terms with the Palestinians.)

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  • @Anon
    Most American Jews are far to the left of Israeli Jews, and as the oldest American Jews die, the divide gets larger. Remember that most American Jews, eg, support a two state solution, which was roundly rejected by Israel in electing Netanyahu three times how. So your assumption about where American Jews stand on Israel is dead wrong.

    So, not about Jewish double standards?

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  • @Anonymous
    She was old, childless and ugly. Women in this condition are often twisted and malevolent, and filled with hatred towards wholesome and beautiful things. Our ancestors may have been simple-minded and superstitious people, but they understood better than we do the diabolical urges of such females, and disposed of them accordingly.

    She was 32, not 25, still a young adult. Are to assume that every woman you have been involved with is a lovely Goddess? What do you look like?

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  • @FKA Max

    The Virgin's messages had been to induce the Pope to bring about "the consecration of the World to her Immaculate Heart," to be followed by "the consecration of Russia." "Russia will be converted," she foretold. "The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me." But, she warned, should this not be accomplished, "her (Russia's) errors will spread throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions . . . different nations will be destroyed . . ." In the end however, the Virgin promised by way of consolation, that the Catholic Church would triumph, after which "the Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me. Thereupon she (Russia) shall be converted and a period of peace will be granted to the world."

    These quotations are from the authenticated messages of the Virgin Mary herself, as related to one of the children and fully accepted by the Catholic Church as a genuine revelation by the "Mother of God."[2]

    Within a few years the cult of Fatima had grown to great proportions. The number of pilgrims multiplied from sixty on June 13, 1917 to 60,000 in October of that same year. From 144,000 in 1923, to 588,000 in 1928. The total for six years: two millions.[3]
     
    - http://www.reformation.org/chapter3.html

    Vietnam why did we go?

    By Avro Manhattan

    CHAPTER 3

    Fatimaization of the West
    [...]
    The first was a vision of Hell (something well known to the modern world).
    The second was more to the point: a reiteration that Soviet Russia would be converted to the Catholic Church.
    The third was sealed in an envelope and put in custody of the ecclesiastical authority not to be revealed until 1960.
    [...]
    The dramatic reiteration of the revelation of the second secret about Soviet Russia immediately assumed a tremendous religious and political significance. The timing of the “disclosure” could not have been better chosen. The Fascist dictatorships were talking the same language: the annihilation of Soviet Russia.
    [...]
    Pius XII encouraged Catholics to volunteer for the Russian front. Catholics—most of them devotees of the Virgin of Fatima —joined the Nazi armies, from Italy, France, Ireland, Belgium, Holland, Latin America, the U.S. and Portugal. Spain sent a Catholic Blue Division.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/the-battles-of-berkeley-someone-is-going-to-get-killed-where-is-trump/#comment-1843877

    Avro Manhattan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Manhattan
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/the-little-cucks-national-review-kevin-d-williamson-and-the-pointless-persuasion/#comment-1990640

    Joe McCarthy’s Jesuit
    Mark Judge
    [...]
    This no doubt has much to do with the fact that Edmund Walsh was arguably the first American anti-communist (not to mention the fact that Walsh’s preached preemptive strikes against aggressors decades before the word neoconservative existed).
    – https://spectator.org/48284_joe-mccarthys-jesuit/
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/the-reality-of-red-subversion/#comment-1697822

    WALSH WAS ORDAINED A PRIEST on June 28, 1916. In 1919, after the first World War, he founded the Georgetown School of Foreign Service. In February 1922, Walsh went to Rome, where he was assigned the papal relief Mission to Russia. Russia, having just undergone a revolution five years earlier, was in the midst of a famine. It would claim over five million victims by the end of 1922. Russia was also in the midst of a purge against the religious, and the Holy See gave Walsh authority to negotiate on behalf of clerical prisoners.

    FKA Max

    Sure you’re on the right site??? What do the above clip and pastes from religious history sites have to do with this article or anything going on in this century? There are plenty of anti Catholic sites where the lunatics can hoot and holler about the Whore of Babylon and the Scarlet Woman Rome

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    Just some context for new readers and commenters. Alden and I have somewhat of a history together here in the Unz Review comment threads/sections:

    Indeed, I am just a humble copier and paster. And you are most definitively the World’s greatest defender of free speech, bar none. That. Is. A. Fact.

    You have been surprisingly congenial lately, Alden. You are not going soft on us and me, are you?

    No hellfire and brimstone and no demands for a speech/commenting ban for me anymore?
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/the-battles-of-berkeley-someone-is-going-to-get-killed-where-is-trump/#comment-1842889


    The reason I copy and paste so much and extensively is two-fold: firstly, I am not a very good and eloquent writer myself and I want to give proper credit to much better writers and researchers than myself; secondly, I never know if the articles, blogs and websites, I link to, will still be available and in existence online a week from now or not, with all the censorship that is going online and in general. By copying and pasting the most essential core ideas and information of these other people’s research and writings, and sharing them here at the Unz Review they will at least be partly archived/available for future reference, in case their writings, research and their websites and blogs get censored or deleted. I try to copy and paste as efficiently and minimally as I can, but sometimes more lengthy copy-&-pastes are required to maintain the context, integrity etc. of the information/idea.

    Also again, on one of my favorite pet peeves, the Catholic Church
    [...]
    Would America have the Free Speech battles and see the rise of White Nationalism in California and all over the country if the Catholic Church had not gotten its way on immigration, etc.? I don’t think so.
    [...]
    The chaos and violence we are now witnessing in California and in Berkeley is most definitely the result of [a] long-standing Catholic Church conspiracy against the traditional and historic American culture (Protestant) and peoples (North-West Europeans), in my opinion. Yes with some help from the Jewish community, but the Catholic Church was/is the main driver behind this pro-mass-immigration and pro-open borders policy and propaganda, in my opinion.

    This is why I keep banging on about this, because if Americans do not understand the root cause of these problems they are facing, they will not be able to fix this mess, and we will see more and more “Battles of Berkeley.”
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/the-battles-of-berkeley-someone-is-going-to-get-killed-where-is-trump/#comment-1843877

    I believe, speaking about the crucial role the Catholic Church plays and has played when it comes to U.S. immigration policy, etc. and how this ties into the attacks on Americans' First Amendment rights, etc. we are witnessing now, is more relevant and important than it has ever been after Steve Bannon ``mainstreamed'' this issue in his recent ``60 Minutes'' interview:

    [...] he is speaking the truth in this CBS “60 Minutes” interview:

    Steve Bannon on Trump’s DACA decision, Catholic church

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpwCsYe_BZA
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/steve-bannon-and-trumps-populist-victory/#comment-1997511

    Catholic Church Reacts To Bannon's Comments On Immigration

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRKImbRolg4

    CBS New York
    Published on Sep 7, 2017
    Steve Bannon caused a stir with comments about the Catholic Church. In a "60 Minutes" interview, the former chief strategist to President Donald Trump said the church has an "economic interest" in illegal immigration. CBS2's Tony Aiello with more.

    The Cathedral Stands Up
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-1999343
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  • @Anonymous
    The article says that Heyer died of a heart attack. I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere in the MSM. If it's not true let's hear them deny it.

    Good riddance.

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  • @Anon
    Most American Jews are far to the left of Israeli Jews

    Not really. Both are being ethnocentric within specific contexts.

    In Israel where Jews are the majority, it is in their interest to be nationalist.

    In the US where Jews are the minority(elites), it is in their interest to undermine majority gentile power with 'progressivism'.

    Surely, even the most rightist white person would prefer liberalism in a society that is 95% blacks. Would he want blacks to be filled with black national pride.. potentially against whitey?

    Hey dumbass what part of “nationalism” has anything to do with race you F’ing moron.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYuyO5k0o08
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  • Personally, when I read that a car had driven into a group of antifa and some human piece of shit had been killed I was okay with there being one less violent fascist in the world. Nothing has changed my mind since that time either.

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  • @Tyrion
    No, gay marriage is not banned or outlawed. It is just not a state-backed institution. Hairdressers aren't banned in America, yet you have no state hairdressers. Don't be silly.

    Anyway, ignoring your semantic surrender to the progressive lobby, why do you think Jews in Israel have not instituted state-administered gay marriage in Israel yet Jews in America tend to be supportive of it in America?

    I am very interested in what reasoning you might give.

    Hairdressers aren’t banned in America, yet you have no state hairdressers. Don’t be silly.

    I would guess that all 50 states require hairdressers and barbers to be licensed in order to sell their services. (I don’t care enough to research all of the 50 state’s laws on the matter.) So it could very will be argued that we do have state endorsed hairdressers.

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  • Was Heyer ((()))? I am completely confused. Thought she was a Blue Ridge Mountain Wilhelmina.

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Most American Jews are far to the left of Israeli Jews, and as the oldest American Jews die, the divide gets larger. Remember that most American Jews, eg, support a two state solution, which was roundly rejected by Israel in electing Netanyahu three times how. So your assumption about where American Jews stand on Israel is dead wrong.

    Most American Jews are far to the left of Israeli Jews

    Not really. Both are being ethnocentric within specific contexts.

    In Israel where Jews are the majority, it is in their interest to be nationalist.

    In the US where Jews are the minority(elites), it is in their interest to undermine majority gentile power with ‘progressivism’.

    Surely, even the most rightist white person would prefer liberalism in a society that is 95% blacks. Would he want blacks to be filled with black national pride.. potentially against whitey?

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    Hey dumbass what part of "nationalism" has anything to do with race you F'ing moron.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Exactly. Do American Jews support an Israeli state that does not self-identify as Jewish? Obviously not. (Ditto for any claims of broad support for a two state solution that leaves Israel on equal terms with the Palestinians.)
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  • No, the NS regime’s race laws seemed stupid and unfair even to those who were unapologetically anti-Jewish but not on pseudo-scientific grounds. Check out Hilaire Belloc on this

    Belloc was a Catholic apologist. Pre-Vatican II, the Catholic solution to the JQ was conversion. Catholicism is of course inherently universalistic and non-racialist. The objections to the Nuremberg Laws were on theological and humanitarian grounds and had nothing to do with “science.” Read the relevant Papal encyclical, MIT BRENNENDER SORGE:

    http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html

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    Belloc was a Catholic apologist. Pre-Vatican II, the Catholic solution to the JQ was conversion
     
    .

    I have a memory of Belloc, in The Jews, explicitly stating that the Jewish problem cannot be solved by Jews converting but I am unable to find it now.

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  • @Dr. X
    If you guys read the Daily Stormer you'd recognize the style. The author is almost certainly Andrew Anglin, whose stuff is often rambling and unsourced. It's intended to be very provocative, hot-button-pushing, no-holds-barred propaganda. It's not highbrow, it's pro-white yellow journalism.

    But it's also usually insightful -- and sometimes brilliant. And he's right about more than his enemies would like to admit. That's precisely why they tried to shut him down -- but only with partial success. His site is still up on an -onion.link address on the darkweb if you search for it.

    Anglin is not “insightful” at all. It’s just garbage writing to push his narrative. It’s even worse when he talks about science.

    And I agree with the other user. Andre Anglin definitely wrote this. His writing style is noticed from a mile away.

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  • @Tony Vodvarka
    A couple of video clips on YouTube demonstrate that Heather Heyer's mother has an exact twin who is a Sandy Hook victim's mother. Some coincidence.

    Link?

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