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    Sam j.you are not a troll.i thought you were but have changed my mind.neither are you white.

    Sam j is neither

    1. A troll
    2.or white

    So what is sam j who writes these magnificent posts of incitement or is it enticement.so what are you promising for jews…..the promised land over in eretz.baruch hashem

    In reality sam j you are a chipmunk

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    Look Im not at all squeamish about the JQ, so Im not sparing anyone out of pity. But there are issues that your position glosses over I think for the sake of an easy psychological solution, but in practice will make what you want impossible. I am against ideas that cant actually have a likelihood of being implemented or succeed if there were. this is because i actually understand we are in a very short term existential crisis that only trump averted- no not that hes all that just that his election shifted the overton just slightly and disrupted the deep state just enough that we crossed back over the event horizon.

    Look I agree that whites alone would likely remain hegemony, though we have not the edge in cognition we seem to have an edge in how we apply cognition, But that also seems to be tied into our achilles heel of openness and trust. While jews certainly have been up to all the bad things we accuse them of they are such a tiny population they cant really rule the world without us, the chinese though not as smart are smart enough that with their huge population their gifted fraction could well do us in. Long term Im more worried about east asia. But I think if we would stop training and giving them our tech and business we could could keep our lead. yes jews are one way we could fight the slants, yes i get why that seems crazy, more in a sec.

    I too am against empire as we have been playing that game, and I certainly think strategically the political position of whites just wanting a home of their own like every other people is a good meme a great meme, its simple and hits all the ape buttons like fairness. That said we are at a singularity point it may be digital or genetic or just technical but the point is we are very close to a point where the next great technological leap will put the developers into absolute power forever, again absolute forever. what you do with that power is up to you, currently white cucks would probably share it, and no other people would do that, all other people would do with it what any other life form would do use it for their specific genomes advancement. this means if we don't develop it we are dead and if we do before we get some sense we are dead. Currently the way this goes is western universities develop breakthrough tech then china runs with it.The other issue about Empire is while i don't want to be the mideast cop for jews and oil corps, or the social worker in africa, the reality is if we don't militarily maintain a position in places others will and we will lose access to natural resources like rare earth uranium etc, we are blessed with an excellent continental defence surrounded by oceans backed up with mountains deserts and polar regions and containing almost everything we need, just not everything. also armies that dont fight forget how to fight so as stupid as our wars are they at least keep us actually fighting i sometimes wonder if we go along with the jews wars for that purpose.

    Yeah blacks would not be the type of problem they are if not for jews, itd be like jim crow huh? except how did that work out? The fact is we cant afford to be supporting half our population because they are too stupid and violent etc to support themselves, we need all our resources to defeat the chinese.

    so you want to give everyone a dna test and ship what everyone who at all jewish out. 100% AKZ jews are 50% italian as it is. Here's the problem hitler ran into.its really hard to ship that many people without humanitarian catastrophe which sets the world against you.He also found no one would take them, lets assume israel would and the arabs don't start WW3 when they start arriving, which is a possibility because the arabs will know the western jew intelligentsia all moving to Israel is the end for them. But israel might not take them 2% of us pop claims jewish ness, by your dna test its going to be closer to the high estimate of 3% or ten million jews. That more than double Israels entire population. see the problem. ( and we haven't even considered europe NZ AU CA etc, And what if China offered to take them in? The way you think blacks wouldnt be a problem without the jews, well the Chinese might think the jews would not be a problem without democracy and cucked white genetics. Chinese might say we could use the jews cognitive abilities but in our system and culture they would never be able to cause the problems they do , they dont look like us so cant be crypto we dont allow full citizenship to non Han chinese we wouldnt allow intermarriage and we are not cucked and we dot have democracy and rule of law that they could PWN.
    The next problem hitler had was a lot of jews are married to non jews.Ans while it might be easy for you to say fuck em thats what they get. They are white and citizens and will object which brings up the question of legality do you plan to gradually pass laws to make this legal or just sic the trailer trash on the jews extra judicially? remember you dont want the whites rising up in defense of the jews again. So these
    bagel sharks are going to sue you and not just them they have families white families, like the wealthier more educated variety of white family and they and their friends are all going to object and scream what about the children.the next problem hitler had was some of these people quite a lot more than you seem to want to admit are needed.or their family members are needed. Hitler knowingly had something like 600 high ranking jewish military officers. LOL but true. Trust me its going to be more than 600. what do you do about the good jews, you know the ones who actually get it they agree with the JQ they work against jews and they work for whites. Theres names we could bandy about the owner of this place UNZ for one is not exactly a white nationalist even a conservative but you got to give him credit he obviously thinks we have a point worth considering and a platform worth financing and defending. imagine the suffering forcing him out will cause him, now arguing over what famous jews are good or not is dumb but lets specify they exist and theres a lot more not famous ones as well. Sure sure i get its easiest to just say oh well but its only easiest when youre larping when you actually get to stuffing them on cargo planes its going to get messy. No of course Im suspicious of jared and Ivanka but so far nothing too bad but what about stephan miller. Hes def a WN but no hes not going to help us stuff jews into planes everyone has a limit. and this is something you have to understand a certain amount of jew solidarity is within the range a white would have and its crazy to expect them to go beyond that.
    Now you mention elites generally and how youre fine with getting rid of them all. Im sympathetic. but you need to think a bit harder. while i disagree with mecious moldberg that the proles are the problem, getting rid of our elites is like suicide a permanent solution to a temporary problem. elites are elite because cognition, you dont cut your brain out and expect to live. They have been brainwashed and need to be reprogrammed, guess what so have a lot of jews, yes at a certain point a brainwashed elite gentile or jew becomes part of the leadership doing the brainwashing even then have you ever listened to them theyre like 145 IQ and are total fucking idiots, they actually believe what they are thinking this means even most of the leadership of the left is for all intents and purposes completely brainwashed as much as the average progressive. Its really kind of hard to say who needs to be shot for treason and who needs to be sent for mental health help. One things for sure we have learned is simply changing whats socially acceptable whats socially rewardable what will raise your status can very quickly change hearts and minds.

    Bottom line is i dont think you can get enough whites to go along with your plan and if you could you would run into so many problems you would fail.If i thought it would work I would be ok with it.I think our situation is so critical we cant afford to larp with bullshit ideas like the fourth reich or neoreactionary patchworks we need something that in a few years can be adapted by average americans finally awake to the morbidity of leftism. exposing the JQ is a huge part of that because it explains what seems unexplainable. But i think jews have been affected by leftism as the rest of us. meaning they have dropped their religiosity they marry out they identify much much less as jews tha previously. I just think if we made it really a low status costly thing to be non white you could accelerate their assimilation and obliterate their separate identity in a couple generations say 35 years, if at the same time leftism was obliterated, and other non whites were deported they couldn't use non whites or leftism anymore. Other non whites can be deported easier because all the browns are essentially here on illegally or quasi legal amnesty's that were never adhered to and they actually have huge continent sized nations a foot away from our border. the blacks well I say we start to pay africa to take blacks convicted of crimes we just banish them after deporting all the immigrant blacks of course which is half of them. and we cut off welfare and pay for sterilization attrition blacks

    I can answer most all the things you questioned.

    “…While jews certainly have been up to all the bad things we accuse them of they are such a tiny population they cant really rule the world without us, the chinese though not as smart are smart enough that with their huge population their gifted fraction could well do us in. Long term Im more worried about east asia…”

    The question about Asia in no way has anything to do with the present deterioration of our position right now. Let’s say you’re in a fight where the other guy is stabbing you with a knife. It is prudent to worry about the other neighbor who might shoot you next month? Well maybe but you have to stop the guy stabbing you with a knife first.

    You mention they might all move to Asia. Well I’m not worried about that. Barring some strange set back in roughly 2025 the first personal computer with the processing power of a human will be made. Asia is losing population and will be having a much harder time expanding. China has shown little interest in conquering the world over their whole history. While I don’t believe genetics determines behavior completely, (average behavior over groups), I wouldn’t be surprised if it was over 50%. I think we can, just by staying put of their way, do ok. Let’s say the Jews go to China. Could be a problem for us but remember, they’re stabbing us in the back now. We need to stop the bleeding now. This type thought pattern is delusional and not rational. We need to do this, do that, do the other, don’t make people mad…have the Jews ever followed any of this? Hell no and by us following this, “what will people think”, path we’re about to be creamed. We’re losing. If you’re losing as bad as we are then it behooves us to try something different. Even if it wrong we need to do something different.

    “hegemony… is if we don’t militarily maintain a position in places others will and we will lose access to natural resources like rare earth uranium etc…”

    I don’t care about that at all nor do I think it necessary. You would have to prove this point definitively to be worth the risk of continuous war, everywhere. We’re maybe 5 or 6 trillion into the Jew wars now. How much would it cost to mine these from asteroids? Certainly much cheaper. Whites have an enormous range of territory now and can expand into space for any mineral we need. The USA actually has enormous amounts of rare earth minerals if they’d just allow it to be mined. The reason it’s not is it’s often combined with Thorium which is slightly radioactive. We could just gather it up and store it. We have done that already. There’s tons of it stored in barrels in the desert they buried.

    “…yes jews are one way we could fight the slants, yes i get why that seems crazy, more in a sec…”

    Yes it is crazy. To force the Jews to do as we wished would probably be even more difficult than just deporting them. I don’t want the Jews to do anything but get the hell away from us and leave us alone.

    “…next great technological leap will put the developers into absolute power forever, again absolute forever…”

    All common sense says it will not be humans in the driving seat when this time comes. More common sense says that the Jews torturing us now will certainly not help us then so they are of no use strategically.

    A lot of the vein you are digging makes no sense at all…let’s see people who for all purposes act as a group like a tribe of psychopaths are somehow going to help us fight off some undetermined threat in the future from some source that you have yet to determine the magnitude or direction of the threat. And people say I’m paranoid!

    “…jim crow huh? except how did that work out?…”

    It worked just fine. I know for an absolute fact as I lived under the last of it where it was active. I also know it worked in South Africa. The trouble has been when it stopped.

    “…Here’s the problem hitler ran into.its really hard to ship that many people without humanitarian catastrophe which sets the world against you…”

    Hitler made a mistake. He should have shipped them war or not. We should do the same. If the Arabs kill them it’s the Jews fault for being so evil to them and us. Not my problem. They should have thought about that before they destroyed the US and Europe. The Jews have little in the way of strategic sense. They think they can keep ripping people off forever and then just move about as they have done in the past. I as a White Man am not responsible if the Jews have fucked up and placed theirselves in great danger because of their fucked up behavior. I’m not responsible for them at all in any way. They did what they’ve done over and over to themselves.

    “…israel might not take them…”

    We will force them. If we have to we will dump them in the Med. in rubber boats and point the way. If the Jews kill them…it’s on them.

    “…Chinese might think the jews would not be a problem without democracy and cucked white genetics…”

    Let the Chinese have them. Good riddance. What if instead of Jew wars we spent all this money on civil defense and military defense? It could be very robust, very.

    “…next problem hitler had was a lot of jews are married to non jews…”

    The numbers can be jiggered but he’s some to start with. If 50% or more Jewish, you’re deported with your parents. If they won;t take them then I refer you to the rubber boats. If less then you can stay but will be kept track of and will not be able to marry anyone in the same class until you are diluted to 1/128th Jewish then they no longer keep track. If you disobey the rules you’re deported.

    “…Theres names we could bandy about the owner of this place UNZ for one…”

    Yeah I hate that but…he has limits to what he’ll do for Whites I believe. If Jews take over the country would he put his life on the line for me? You know the answer. One subtext to this is to take an individual Jew and cry over them, ok I get that but Jews don’t operate that way so why should it be expected of me? It shouldn’t. I have just as much right to be clannish and only look after my people as the Jews do no matter what the consequences for the other. I have said over and over that we will become more like them in defense so I don’t want to hear complaints about what they have driven us to do to protect ourselves. It’s makes no difference. If you kidnap someone, put them in a ring thinking you will use them for sword practice then all of sudden you realize that they are master swordsmen and they start cutting you to pieces it’s hardly fair for you to call for a time out. I mean you forced the situation. I feel the same way about the Jews. They didn’t have to do what they did.

    “…Now you mention elites generally and how youre fine with getting rid of them all…”

    The idea that we get rid of some elites that are collaborating with the Jews says nothing, nothing at all about getting rid of all elites. Many people who would be elites are not because they are not collaborating or are not willing to behave in the desired manner. We’ll get better elites. They can’t get much worse at this point. I bet, like Buckley said once, that we could get random registered voters and they could run the country better than the elites we have now.

    “…Bottom line is i dont think you can get enough whites to go along with your plan…”

    YET! You have to start somewhere and a well argued and set position, as I have, is a start.

    “…But i think jews have been affected by leftism as the rest of us…”

    It’s way more than leftism. You should know better. It’s a very large part of the population of Jews that knows they are deliberately destroying the country. They know. I bet 80% know what they are doing.

    “… I just think if we made it really a low status costly thing to be non white you could accelerate their assimilation and obliterate their separate identity in a couple generations say 35 year…”

    People much more impressive than you or I by a long shot have been dealing with Jews for thousands of years and best as I can tell the only way to stop them is to get rid of them. It has been proven to work every time with great success. Let’s try it. Even if it fails we could spared a lot of derogatory comments by the Jews that I have heard enough of already.

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    "...Your position is simple and clean on paper but hitler found in practice it was quite difficult to administer..."

    We'll just have to suffer. I doubt it will be as difficult as you say we have genetic testing and computers now. You could make a piece of paper encoded with the right proteins and one lick would tell you, Jew or not.

    "...The problem jews are practically all mischlings at least by this point.So youre talking about deporting half our elites married to the other half of our elites...."

    The elites are driving the country into a ditch. That's feature not a deficit. I'm also not convinced this is true.

    "...Its also true east asians have a cog edge that we are in an existential war for universe hegemony..."

    Not me. I'm against Empire. It would difficult to defeat us in any manner if we spent the same proportion on the military and "civil defense" and ditched the Empire that does most of us no good. We don't need lots of overseas bases. The technology has changed. I suggest you read,"Dennis M. Bushnell, Future Strategic Issues/Future Warfare [Circa 2025] " he goes over the trends of technology coming up and how they may play out. His report is not some wild eyed fanaticism it's based on reasonable trends. Link.

    https://archive.org/details/FutureStrategicIssuesFutureWarfareCirca2025

    "...they have in fact contributed quite a lot with those high IQs, about 50% of our cog elites are jews..."

    Evil geniuses are not something you want in your country. It's NOT an asset. Lots of the people who are elite Jews in the US are there because of nepotism. We would be much better off with our own on charge. (Look at Trumps son in law. You think he should be in charge of all he is????). There's plenty more smart people that are Whites than Jews. They are being discriminated against and kept out of power. Let me clue you in any attempt to tell me that we "can't do without the Jews" for their intelligence or what they've, supposedly, done for us will just lead me to have contempt for you and your ideas as being foolish. I don't remember the actual numbers on Jews vs. Whites in all these categories but I have read them and we don't need them, at all. It's not even remotely an issue.

    "...One way to do this is to use the jews natural paranoia. push the anti jew muslims movement and the anti israeli movement and morph the white privilege into the jew privilege point out that when jews are subtracted from whites its jews not whites who are privileged..."

    YES. Very good. I'm not negative all the time. I lately have been posting that we will lose the race for whites being the majority population. Ok. So now we combine with the immigrants and throw the Jews out. Get rid of the Jews. They don't care about the Jews or the Holohaox or Hitler(they like Hitler) and so we should get together with them on this issue and get rid of the Jews. That would solve an enormous amount of our problems with the immigrants right there. I can live with immigrants if the Jewish blare horn media is not attacking Whites day in and day out proclaiming us all evil. I can work something out with the Mexicans, the Chinese, the Muslims, etc. I've been around all these people. We can make something work but I can't work with a people, Jews, who want to destroy me. The history is clear. The Jews want to dominate everyone they are around and the more power they get the more vicious and murderous they become. It's them...not us. They have severe mental issues. They don't seem to be able to control themselves even when it hurts them and everyone around them. The act like a tribe of psychopaths as a group. I can not stress this enough and you can not live with psychopaths. They are just intolerable.

    Look Im not at all squeamish about the JQ, so Im not sparing anyone out of pity. But there are issues that your position glosses over I think for the sake of an easy psychological solution, but in practice will make what you want impossible. I am against ideas that cant actually have a likelihood of being implemented or succeed if there were. this is because i actually understand we are in a very short term existential crisis that only trump averted- no not that hes all that just that his election shifted the overton just slightly and disrupted the deep state just enough that we crossed back over the event horizon.

    Look I agree that whites alone would likely remain hegemony, though we have not the edge in cognition we seem to have an edge in how we apply cognition, But that also seems to be tied into our achilles heel of openness and trust. While jews certainly have been up to all the bad things we accuse them of they are such a tiny population they cant really rule the world without us, the chinese though not as smart are smart enough that with their huge population their gifted fraction could well do us in. Long term Im more worried about east asia. But I think if we would stop training and giving them our tech and business we could could keep our lead. yes jews are one way we could fight the slants, yes i get why that seems crazy, more in a sec.

    I too am against empire as we have been playing that game, and I certainly think strategically the political position of whites just wanting a home of their own like every other people is a good meme a great meme, its simple and hits all the ape buttons like fairness. That said we are at a singularity point it may be digital or genetic or just technical but the point is we are very close to a point where the next great technological leap will put the developers into absolute power forever, again absolute forever. what you do with that power is up to you, currently white cucks would probably share it, and no other people would do that, all other people would do with it what any other life form would do use it for their specific genomes advancement. this means if we don’t develop it we are dead and if we do before we get some sense we are dead. Currently the way this goes is western universities develop breakthrough tech then china runs with it.The other issue about Empire is while i don’t want to be the mideast cop for jews and oil corps, or the social worker in africa, the reality is if we don’t militarily maintain a position in places others will and we will lose access to natural resources like rare earth uranium etc, we are blessed with an excellent continental defence surrounded by oceans backed up with mountains deserts and polar regions and containing almost everything we need, just not everything. also armies that dont fight forget how to fight so as stupid as our wars are they at least keep us actually fighting i sometimes wonder if we go along with the jews wars for that purpose.

    Yeah blacks would not be the type of problem they are if not for jews, itd be like jim crow huh? except how did that work out? The fact is we cant afford to be supporting half our population because they are too stupid and violent etc to support themselves, we need all our resources to defeat the chinese.

    so you want to give everyone a dna test and ship what everyone who at all jewish out. 100% AKZ jews are 50% italian as it is. Here’s the problem hitler ran into.its really hard to ship that many people without humanitarian catastrophe which sets the world against you.He also found no one would take them, lets assume israel would and the arabs don’t start WW3 when they start arriving, which is a possibility because the arabs will know the western jew intelligentsia all moving to Israel is the end for them. But israel might not take them 2% of us pop claims jewish ness, by your dna test its going to be closer to the high estimate of 3% or ten million jews. That more than double Israels entire population. see the problem. ( and we haven’t even considered europe NZ AU CA etc, And what if China offered to take them in? The way you think blacks wouldnt be a problem without the jews, well the Chinese might think the jews would not be a problem without democracy and cucked white genetics. Chinese might say we could use the jews cognitive abilities but in our system and culture they would never be able to cause the problems they do , they dont look like us so cant be crypto we dont allow full citizenship to non Han chinese we wouldnt allow intermarriage and we are not cucked and we dot have democracy and rule of law that they could PWN.
    The next problem hitler had was a lot of jews are married to non jews.Ans while it might be easy for you to say fuck em thats what they get. They are white and citizens and will object which brings up the question of legality do you plan to gradually pass laws to make this legal or just sic the trailer trash on the jews extra judicially? remember you dont want the whites rising up in defense of the jews again. So these
    bagel sharks are going to sue you and not just them they have families white families, like the wealthier more educated variety of white family and they and their friends are all going to object and scream what about the children.the next problem hitler had was some of these people quite a lot more than you seem to want to admit are needed.or their family members are needed. Hitler knowingly had something like 600 high ranking jewish military officers. LOL but true. Trust me its going to be more than 600. what do you do about the good jews, you know the ones who actually get it they agree with the JQ they work against jews and they work for whites. Theres names we could bandy about the owner of this place UNZ for one is not exactly a white nationalist even a conservative but you got to give him credit he obviously thinks we have a point worth considering and a platform worth financing and defending. imagine the suffering forcing him out will cause him, now arguing over what famous jews are good or not is dumb but lets specify they exist and theres a lot more not famous ones as well. Sure sure i get its easiest to just say oh well but its only easiest when youre larping when you actually get to stuffing them on cargo planes its going to get messy. No of course Im suspicious of jared and Ivanka but so far nothing too bad but what about stephan miller. Hes def a WN but no hes not going to help us stuff jews into planes everyone has a limit. and this is something you have to understand a certain amount of jew solidarity is within the range a white would have and its crazy to expect them to go beyond that.
    Now you mention elites generally and how youre fine with getting rid of them all. Im sympathetic. but you need to think a bit harder. while i disagree with mecious moldberg that the proles are the problem, getting rid of our elites is like suicide a permanent solution to a temporary problem. elites are elite because cognition, you dont cut your brain out and expect to live. They have been brainwashed and need to be reprogrammed, guess what so have a lot of jews, yes at a certain point a brainwashed elite gentile or jew becomes part of the leadership doing the brainwashing even then have you ever listened to them theyre like 145 IQ and are total fucking idiots, they actually believe what they are thinking this means even most of the leadership of the left is for all intents and purposes completely brainwashed as much as the average progressive. Its really kind of hard to say who needs to be shot for treason and who needs to be sent for mental health help. One things for sure we have learned is simply changing whats socially acceptable whats socially rewardable what will raise your status can very quickly change hearts and minds.

    Bottom line is i dont think you can get enough whites to go along with your plan and if you could you would run into so many problems you would fail.If i thought it would work I would be ok with it.I think our situation is so critical we cant afford to larp with bullshit ideas like the fourth reich or neoreactionary patchworks we need something that in a few years can be adapted by average americans finally awake to the morbidity of leftism. exposing the JQ is a huge part of that because it explains what seems unexplainable. But i think jews have been affected by leftism as the rest of us. meaning they have dropped their religiosity they marry out they identify much much less as jews tha previously. I just think if we made it really a low status costly thing to be non white you could accelerate their assimilation and obliterate their separate identity in a couple generations say 35 years, if at the same time leftism was obliterated, and other non whites were deported they couldn’t use non whites or leftism anymore. Other non whites can be deported easier because all the browns are essentially here on illegally or quasi legal amnesty’s that were never adhered to and they actually have huge continent sized nations a foot away from our border. the blacks well I say we start to pay africa to take blacks convicted of crimes we just banish them after deporting all the immigrant blacks of course which is half of them. and we cut off welfare and pay for sterilization attrition blacks

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    I can answer most all the things you questioned.

    "...While jews certainly have been up to all the bad things we accuse them of they are such a tiny population they cant really rule the world without us, the chinese though not as smart are smart enough that with their huge population their gifted fraction could well do us in. Long term Im more worried about east asia..."

    The question about Asia in no way has anything to do with the present deterioration of our position right now. Let's say you're in a fight where the other guy is stabbing you with a knife. It is prudent to worry about the other neighbor who might shoot you next month? Well maybe but you have to stop the guy stabbing you with a knife first.

    You mention they might all move to Asia. Well I'm not worried about that. Barring some strange set back in roughly 2025 the first personal computer with the processing power of a human will be made. Asia is losing population and will be having a much harder time expanding. China has shown little interest in conquering the world over their whole history. While I don't believe genetics determines behavior completely, (average behavior over groups), I wouldn't be surprised if it was over 50%. I think we can, just by staying put of their way, do ok. Let's say the Jews go to China. Could be a problem for us but remember, they're stabbing us in the back now. We need to stop the bleeding now. This type thought pattern is delusional and not rational. We need to do this, do that, do the other, don't make people mad...have the Jews ever followed any of this? Hell no and by us following this, "what will people think", path we're about to be creamed. We're losing. If you're losing as bad as we are then it behooves us to try something different. Even if it wrong we need to do something different.

    "hegemony... is if we don’t militarily maintain a position in places others will and we will lose access to natural resources like rare earth uranium etc..."

    I don't care about that at all nor do I think it necessary. You would have to prove this point definitively to be worth the risk of continuous war, everywhere. We're maybe 5 or 6 trillion into the Jew wars now. How much would it cost to mine these from asteroids? Certainly much cheaper. Whites have an enormous range of territory now and can expand into space for any mineral we need. The USA actually has enormous amounts of rare earth minerals if they'd just allow it to be mined. The reason it's not is it's often combined with Thorium which is slightly radioactive. We could just gather it up and store it. We have done that already. There's tons of it stored in barrels in the desert they buried.

    "...yes jews are one way we could fight the slants, yes i get why that seems crazy, more in a sec..."

    Yes it is crazy. To force the Jews to do as we wished would probably be even more difficult than just deporting them. I don't want the Jews to do anything but get the hell away from us and leave us alone.

    "...next great technological leap will put the developers into absolute power forever, again absolute forever..."

    All common sense says it will not be humans in the driving seat when this time comes. More common sense says that the Jews torturing us now will certainly not help us then so they are of no use strategically.

    A lot of the vein you are digging makes no sense at all...let's see people who for all purposes act as a group like a tribe of psychopaths are somehow going to help us fight off some undetermined threat in the future from some source that you have yet to determine the magnitude or direction of the threat. And people say I'm paranoid!

    "...jim crow huh? except how did that work out?..."

    It worked just fine. I know for an absolute fact as I lived under the last of it where it was active. I also know it worked in South Africa. The trouble has been when it stopped.

    "...Here’s the problem hitler ran into.its really hard to ship that many people without humanitarian catastrophe which sets the world against you..."

    Hitler made a mistake. He should have shipped them war or not. We should do the same. If the Arabs kill them it's the Jews fault for being so evil to them and us. Not my problem. They should have thought about that before they destroyed the US and Europe. The Jews have little in the way of strategic sense. They think they can keep ripping people off forever and then just move about as they have done in the past. I as a White Man am not responsible if the Jews have fucked up and placed theirselves in great danger because of their fucked up behavior. I'm not responsible for them at all in any way. They did what they've done over and over to themselves.

    "...israel might not take them..."

    We will force them. If we have to we will dump them in the Med. in rubber boats and point the way. If the Jews kill them...it's on them.

    "...Chinese might think the jews would not be a problem without democracy and cucked white genetics..."

    Let the Chinese have them. Good riddance. What if instead of Jew wars we spent all this money on civil defense and military defense? It could be very robust, very.

    "...next problem hitler had was a lot of jews are married to non jews..."

    The numbers can be jiggered but he's some to start with. If 50% or more Jewish, you're deported with your parents. If they won;t take them then I refer you to the rubber boats. If less then you can stay but will be kept track of and will not be able to marry anyone in the same class until you are diluted to 1/128th Jewish then they no longer keep track. If you disobey the rules you're deported.

    "...Theres names we could bandy about the owner of this place UNZ for one..."

    Yeah I hate that but...he has limits to what he'll do for Whites I believe. If Jews take over the country would he put his life on the line for me? You know the answer. One subtext to this is to take an individual Jew and cry over them, ok I get that but Jews don't operate that way so why should it be expected of me? It shouldn't. I have just as much right to be clannish and only look after my people as the Jews do no matter what the consequences for the other. I have said over and over that we will become more like them in defense so I don't want to hear complaints about what they have driven us to do to protect ourselves. It's makes no difference. If you kidnap someone, put them in a ring thinking you will use them for sword practice then all of sudden you realize that they are master swordsmen and they start cutting you to pieces it's hardly fair for you to call for a time out. I mean you forced the situation. I feel the same way about the Jews. They didn't have to do what they did.

    "...Now you mention elites generally and how youre fine with getting rid of them all..."

    The idea that we get rid of some elites that are collaborating with the Jews says nothing, nothing at all about getting rid of all elites. Many people who would be elites are not because they are not collaborating or are not willing to behave in the desired manner. We'll get better elites. They can't get much worse at this point. I bet, like Buckley said once, that we could get random registered voters and they could run the country better than the elites we have now.

    "...Bottom line is i dont think you can get enough whites to go along with your plan..."

    YET! You have to start somewhere and a well argued and set position, as I have, is a start.

    "...But i think jews have been affected by leftism as the rest of us..."

    It's way more than leftism. You should know better. It's a very large part of the population of Jews that knows they are deliberately destroying the country. They know. I bet 80% know what they are doing.

    "... I just think if we made it really a low status costly thing to be non white you could accelerate their assimilation and obliterate their separate identity in a couple generations say 35 year..."

    People much more impressive than you or I by a long shot have been dealing with Jews for thousands of years and best as I can tell the only way to stop them is to get rid of them. It has been proven to work every time with great success. Let's try it. Even if it fails we could spared a lot of derogatory comments by the Jews that I have heard enough of already.
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  • @anony-mouse
    Unlike most real Jews, 'Marcus Alethia' can't spell (Ignatiev) and considers Tim Wise an example of American Jewry. (Wise is one quarter Jewish, all on his father's side, is anti-Zionist, and is married to a Gentile). He, but not any member of his household would qualify for the Law of Return, but wouldn't go there.

    'Yes, we Jews have Miller, but we also have the ADL and the SPLC '. Evidently he also believes that Morris Dees is Jewish too.

    The word 'aletheia' by the way was mostly used in modern times by Heidegger, another giveaway that 'Alethia' isn't Jewish.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aletheia

    Moriss Dee’s partner in crime is Joseph G. Levin Jr.

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  • Well I’m done. I’ll leave this thread to the Hasbara and those that believe that “if only we became more Christian we could repel the Jews”.

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  • You wrote:

    Has Sam J. concluded that we are Jews?

    Rather presumptuous of him. I am not and, I believe, neither are you, as he could have figured out had he taken the time to peruse our posts of the past many years, archived right here on UR.

    Well, he goes on my list of blocked posters, since he seems to be of the shoot-ready-aim variety rather than that of the thoughtful and well-researched poster, which greatly reduces the credibility of his contributions and not worthy of my time.

    Oh well.

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  • @Cloak And Dagger

    Just, what is Sam J.’s motivation for demanding forced expulsion of all Jews from US? To discredit UR and discourage reading of comments here, seems likely. If we (you) rule out gov’t probe, what options remain?
     
    It is always hard to discern the motivation of anonymous posters on any forum. The hasbara trolls are easy to spot and their motivation is obvious. Recently there has been an influx of less obvious trolls, such as "Tammy" and "Elite-something-or-other", who intersperse their comments with a few sane thoughts, and then veer off into the land of the insane. I suspect that their intent is to pollute articles with so much noise as to take them off track and into the ether. I just block them and don't bother to feed the trolls. A lot of posters don't agree with my approach and insist on engaging them, leading to extended exchanges of ad hominem attacks, further exacerbating the situation.

    I am not convinced that "Sam J." belongs to this class of trolls (of course I have no way of knowing). I see him/her as someone who has very strong convictions about the solution to the problem we see with jewish control of national policies, and he has chosen extreme separation and expulsion as the only possible solution. He is supported in his views by Kevin MacDonald, a professor of psychology at California State University at Long Beach, whose well-researched study on what causes anti-semitism, comes to a similar conclusion.

    Perusing the review of his books at http://ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n3p28_Harrison by Peter Harrison, my eyes caught the following excerpts from that site regarding assimilation and expulsion:


    Over the centuries, host nations have taken various approaches toward this group that refused to fully assimilate. Throughout Christendom the authorities tried to convert Jews, sometimes forcibly, and when this failed they often expelled them. The French experience, MacDonald writes, was typical:

    “In 12th-13th-century France there was a shift from a policy of toleration combined with attempts to convert Jews under Louis IX to a policy of "convert or depart" during the reign of Philip IV, and finally the expulsion of Jews in 1306. The final expulsion order is also a last plea for Jewish assimilation: "Every Jew must leave my land, taking none of his possessions with him; or, let him choose a new God for himself, and we will become One People. [Italics in the original]”

    Spain, to which MacDonald devotes considerable attention, proceeded to forcible conversions in 1391 and then to expulsion in 1492. However, many converts, or "New Christians" as they were called, continued to socialize and marry only among themselves, and to cooperate professionally with each other, so conversion had little effect on group behavior. This was a major reason for the Inquisition. But, as MacDonald points out, Jews in Spain were persecuted not for who they were but for what they did:

    “The real crime in the eyes of the Iberians was that the Jews who had converted in 1391 were racialists in disguise, and this was the case even if they sincerely believed in Christianity while nevertheless continuing to marry endogamously and to engage in political and economic cooperation within the group ... It was not the extent of Jewish ancestry that was a crime, but the intentional involvement in a group evolutionary strategy.”

    Those New Christians who abandoned parochial loyalties and embraced the Spanish nation along with the Christian faith had little to fear from the Inquisition.

    In later periods, when European Jews were emancipated from the myriad restrictions of the ghetto, host countries expected Jews to assimilate completely. Instead, they soon faced the same dilemma as had the Spanish. As one Jewish historian writes, "Jewish Emancipation had been tacitly tied to an illusory expectation – the disappearance of the Jewish community of its own volition. When this failed to happen ... a certain uneasiness, not to say a sense of outright scandal, was experienced by Gentiles." Far from wholly embracing the larger society, many Jews continued to marry only among themselves, and to consider themselves a people apart. Rather than promote intermarriage, some zealous Jews advocated Zionism (Jewish nationalism) as a modern and non-religious means of keeping Jews apart from Gentiles.

    Many Jews recognized that such strong particularism was not acceptable to gentiles. Theodor Herzl, the main founder of modern political Zionism, regarded anti-Semitism as "an understandable reaction to Jewish defects ... " "I find the anti-Semites are fully within their rights," he also wrote.

    Similarly, Chaim Weizmann, for decades an important Zionist leader and Israel's first president, observed: “Whenever the quantity of Jews in any country reaches the saturation point, that country reacts against them ... [This] reaction ... cannot be looked upon as anti-Semitism in the ordinary or vulgar sense of that world; it is a universal social and economic concomitant of Jewish immigration and we cannot shake it off.”

    MacDonald argues that it is this refusal to assimilate, even on terms of equality, while at the same time pushing a separate agenda, that finally leads to the harshest extremes of anti-Semitism: “A related common thread [in the European experience with Jews] has been that there is a tendency to shift away from attempts at complete cultural and genetic assimilation of Jews in the early stages of group conflict, followed eventually by the rise of collectivist, authoritarian anti-Semitic group strategies aimed at exclusion, expulsion, or genocide when it is clear that efforts at assimilation have failed.”

    MacDonald finds it significant that European nations have almost invariably proposed complete cultural and biological assimilation, but that it is Jews who have rejected this. "The fact that Western societies have typically attempted to convert and assimilate Jews before excluding them indicates that Western societies, unlike the prototypical Jewish cultures, do not have a primitive concern with racial purity." MacDonald argues that Western societies are, by nature, individualistic rather than group-oriented, and that this is the perfect environment for any "outgroup" that pursues a collective strategy. By acting in concert, Jews can successfully advance particularist interests that may conflict with those of the host population.

    In comparison to the West, Jews have found it much more difficult to penetrate Muslim societies: "These 'segmentary' societies organized around discrete groups appear to be much more efficient than Western individualistic societies in keeping Jews in a powerless position ... "
     

    It does give one pause for thought. "Sam J." may be the representation of the increasingly emerging body of gentiles in this country that is reacting to the saturation of jewish action on our policies, and is probably the tip of the iceberg ahead.

    MacDonald argues that it is this refusal to assimilate, even on terms of equality, while at the same time pushing a separate agenda, that finally leads to the harshest extremes of anti-Semitism: “A related common thread [in the European experience with Jews] has been that there is a tendency to shift away from attempts at complete cultural and genetic assimilation of Jews in the early stages of group conflict, followed eventually by the rise of collectivist, authoritarian anti-Semitic group strategies aimed at exclusion, expulsion, or genocide when it is clear that efforts at assimilation have failed.”
     

    We’ve been addressed in the 2nd person. Has Sam J. concluded that we are Jews?

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  • @Cloak And Dagger

    Just, what is Sam J.’s motivation for demanding forced expulsion of all Jews from US? To discredit UR and discourage reading of comments here, seems likely. If we (you) rule out gov’t probe, what options remain?
     
    It is always hard to discern the motivation of anonymous posters on any forum. The hasbara trolls are easy to spot and their motivation is obvious. Recently there has been an influx of less obvious trolls, such as "Tammy" and "Elite-something-or-other", who intersperse their comments with a few sane thoughts, and then veer off into the land of the insane. I suspect that their intent is to pollute articles with so much noise as to take them off track and into the ether. I just block them and don't bother to feed the trolls. A lot of posters don't agree with my approach and insist on engaging them, leading to extended exchanges of ad hominem attacks, further exacerbating the situation.

    I am not convinced that "Sam J." belongs to this class of trolls (of course I have no way of knowing). I see him/her as someone who has very strong convictions about the solution to the problem we see with jewish control of national policies, and he has chosen extreme separation and expulsion as the only possible solution. He is supported in his views by Kevin MacDonald, a professor of psychology at California State University at Long Beach, whose well-researched study on what causes anti-semitism, comes to a similar conclusion.

    Perusing the review of his books at http://ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n3p28_Harrison by Peter Harrison, my eyes caught the following excerpts from that site regarding assimilation and expulsion:


    Over the centuries, host nations have taken various approaches toward this group that refused to fully assimilate. Throughout Christendom the authorities tried to convert Jews, sometimes forcibly, and when this failed they often expelled them. The French experience, MacDonald writes, was typical:

    “In 12th-13th-century France there was a shift from a policy of toleration combined with attempts to convert Jews under Louis IX to a policy of "convert or depart" during the reign of Philip IV, and finally the expulsion of Jews in 1306. The final expulsion order is also a last plea for Jewish assimilation: "Every Jew must leave my land, taking none of his possessions with him; or, let him choose a new God for himself, and we will become One People. [Italics in the original]”

    Spain, to which MacDonald devotes considerable attention, proceeded to forcible conversions in 1391 and then to expulsion in 1492. However, many converts, or "New Christians" as they were called, continued to socialize and marry only among themselves, and to cooperate professionally with each other, so conversion had little effect on group behavior. This was a major reason for the Inquisition. But, as MacDonald points out, Jews in Spain were persecuted not for who they were but for what they did:

    “The real crime in the eyes of the Iberians was that the Jews who had converted in 1391 were racialists in disguise, and this was the case even if they sincerely believed in Christianity while nevertheless continuing to marry endogamously and to engage in political and economic cooperation within the group ... It was not the extent of Jewish ancestry that was a crime, but the intentional involvement in a group evolutionary strategy.”

    Those New Christians who abandoned parochial loyalties and embraced the Spanish nation along with the Christian faith had little to fear from the Inquisition.

    In later periods, when European Jews were emancipated from the myriad restrictions of the ghetto, host countries expected Jews to assimilate completely. Instead, they soon faced the same dilemma as had the Spanish. As one Jewish historian writes, "Jewish Emancipation had been tacitly tied to an illusory expectation – the disappearance of the Jewish community of its own volition. When this failed to happen ... a certain uneasiness, not to say a sense of outright scandal, was experienced by Gentiles." Far from wholly embracing the larger society, many Jews continued to marry only among themselves, and to consider themselves a people apart. Rather than promote intermarriage, some zealous Jews advocated Zionism (Jewish nationalism) as a modern and non-religious means of keeping Jews apart from Gentiles.

    Many Jews recognized that such strong particularism was not acceptable to gentiles. Theodor Herzl, the main founder of modern political Zionism, regarded anti-Semitism as "an understandable reaction to Jewish defects ... " "I find the anti-Semites are fully within their rights," he also wrote.

    Similarly, Chaim Weizmann, for decades an important Zionist leader and Israel's first president, observed: “Whenever the quantity of Jews in any country reaches the saturation point, that country reacts against them ... [This] reaction ... cannot be looked upon as anti-Semitism in the ordinary or vulgar sense of that world; it is a universal social and economic concomitant of Jewish immigration and we cannot shake it off.”

    MacDonald argues that it is this refusal to assimilate, even on terms of equality, while at the same time pushing a separate agenda, that finally leads to the harshest extremes of anti-Semitism: “A related common thread [in the European experience with Jews] has been that there is a tendency to shift away from attempts at complete cultural and genetic assimilation of Jews in the early stages of group conflict, followed eventually by the rise of collectivist, authoritarian anti-Semitic group strategies aimed at exclusion, expulsion, or genocide when it is clear that efforts at assimilation have failed.”

    MacDonald finds it significant that European nations have almost invariably proposed complete cultural and biological assimilation, but that it is Jews who have rejected this. "The fact that Western societies have typically attempted to convert and assimilate Jews before excluding them indicates that Western societies, unlike the prototypical Jewish cultures, do not have a primitive concern with racial purity." MacDonald argues that Western societies are, by nature, individualistic rather than group-oriented, and that this is the perfect environment for any "outgroup" that pursues a collective strategy. By acting in concert, Jews can successfully advance particularist interests that may conflict with those of the host population.

    In comparison to the West, Jews have found it much more difficult to penetrate Muslim societies: "These 'segmentary' societies organized around discrete groups appear to be much more efficient than Western individualistic societies in keeping Jews in a powerless position ... "
     

    It does give one pause for thought. "Sam J." may be the representation of the increasingly emerging body of gentiles in this country that is reacting to the saturation of jewish action on our policies, and is probably the tip of the iceberg ahead.

    MacDonald argues that it is this refusal to assimilate, even on terms of equality, while at the same time pushing a separate agenda, that finally leads to the harshest extremes of anti-Semitism: “A related common thread [in the European experience with Jews] has been that there is a tendency to shift away from attempts at complete cultural and genetic assimilation of Jews in the early stages of group conflict, followed eventually by the rise of collectivist, authoritarian anti-Semitic group strategies aimed at exclusion, expulsion, or genocide when it is clear that efforts at assimilation have failed.”
     

    “…It is always hard to discern the motivation of anonymous posters on any forum…”

    Not with me it’s not. I tell you exactly what I think and in turn Jews here lie continuously and pretend that they are innocent little bunnys that never hurt a fly. In my mind condemning themselves even further into that which can never be part of any decent society.

    “…“Sam J.”…as someone who has very strong convictions about the solution to the problem we see with jewish control of national policies, and he has chosen extreme separation and expulsion as the only possible solution…”

    There is no other solution other than to get rid of the Jews. Peacefully if we can get it but as time gets shorter and shorter and Jews get more and more insistent of controlling Whites then more and more harsh methods may be needed. Whites have wasted far too much time on the Jews. Jews are the foremost problem in the US and Europe. You’ve turned our societal and financial position into a situation of extreme peril. Whites have been more than patient and have tried all manner of ways to get along with the Jews. None have been successful. One way or another you will go. Both of us can not survive together. If the “big” Jews attempt to take us over like they did Russia maybe the big Jews will get away but most of you will not. You should run for your lives now because the “big” Jews are hardened psychopaths,. Maybe some of you are not but the Jews in control will stop at nothing. You mean nothing to them. Oh you think that because you’re a Jew they will look after you but they won’t. They are using you just as much as they are using us and when they are through with you they will throw you away.

    MacDonald influenced me but way. way far less than you might think. He only added that to a long list of writers writing about the behavior of the Jews.

    “…The fact that Western societies have typically attempted to convert and assimilate Jews before excluding them indicates that Western societies, unlike the prototypical Jewish cultures, do not have a primitive concern with racial purity…”

    A mistake of which we are RAPIDLY learning to take account of. You will be surprised. You’re whole way of life is built around taking advantage of people who want to get along with others. Think of all your stupid lying, pointing to deceptive information, stupid “task” you try to give us and all the other name calling you do, How exactly would that work if we were like you? Not at all. None. You are making us like you. You will pay for what you’ve done to the USA. A large amount of people know what you’ve done. Eventually you will be thrown out and NO ONE will want you. No one. You will try to go to India and China and they will laugh in your face and make fun of your false tears. They don’t care. They have way less openness than we do. You are all idiots and you’re burning down your own house. What fools you are.

    “…It does give one pause for thought. “Sam J.” may be the representation of the increasingly emerging body of gentiles in this country that is reacting to the saturation of jewish action on our policies, and is probably the tip of the iceberg ahead…”

    There’s millions and millions of us and we want you gone. We can not stand much more of you and it’s 100% your fault. You’re an abusive aggressive people and your behavior as a whole is EXACTLY like a tribe of psychopaths. Read this short chapter about Stanley a Spath(Sociopath/psychopath) from the book “The Mask of Sanity” by Hervey M. Cleckley. Look at his silly assed adventures and stupid behavior. This the kind of shit Jews do. Like blowing up the WTC complex, random shootings, on and on and on with the deviancy of you people.

    http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/cleckley.pdf

    All these tricks that you use, always lying, always trying to derail the conversation with stupid “task”, all this pretending that “you have no idea”, these are all classical psychopathic behaviors. Down to a “T”. Maybe you aren’t a psychopath and this was taught to you but that’s exactly what this behavior is. Spaths. Animals. I don’t consider psychopaths humans. They’re like smart lizards. They consider themselves the HIGHEST of humankind but I see them as animals. Only operating on instinct. Empathy is what MAKES civilization and you don’t have it. This is why anytime Jews get their own territory they create…nothing. A big fat nothing because they’re a bunch of psychopaths and if they don’t feed on someone else they feed on each other.

    There was a book written quite a while ago that had a theory about why civilization sprung up so fast like it did. “The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind”. Basically that the mind was not fully talking to both sides. A link explaining.

    https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/westworld-bicameral-mind-theory-real

    This theory is wrong. Here’s my theory. It’s the correct one and eventually all will see it as so because it’s so simple and obvious that it hard to dispute.

    Sam J’s theory of civilization,”Civilization came about because of the rise of empathy. This allowed people to work together”.

    My reading about psychopaths, Jews, the study of the Russian foxes that were breed over time to be tame, (civilized), and lots of other stuff is what influenced me on this.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_red_fox

    The theory is very simple . This tameness is actually empathy. True you may lose some raw brain smarts to the enlargement of the centers of the brain for empathy but it allows much more in the way of cooperation. Much more important. Wild animals only have sympathy for their close kin. Everyone else is to fight or feed off of. Before people had enlarged areas in their brains for empathy there could be no way possible that they could build civilization. Think how many times you’ve been alone with someone and you could have killed them, taken their money and no one could finger you. Numerous times for most people but you don’t do this because you empathize. If you’re a psychopath you could just kill indiscriminately and it not bother you at all. Before civilization all humans were mostly psychopaths so there could be no civilization. The present Jewish cabal, tribe, whatever is just a bunch of animals that take advantage of others, think that others deserve it because they’re psychopaths and have half-functional animal brains. They think that everyone else is stupid but actually what they are is empathetic and want to get along. The Spaths, (Jews), have no recognition what a perilous path they are following because psychopaths have poor awareness of risks. They’re fucked up and by societies standards mentally ill. The Jews have followed a path of animals that take advantage of the goodness of others. As soon as people realize that they are doing this, that it’s just the way they are, there’s no way to change them, they are animals that have no intention of changing and like they way things are, they will get rid of them just like people get rid of psychopaths.

    As far as I’m concerned the Jews are just like any other wild dangerous animal. Like bears or a pack of wolves. When bears get too close to civilization we tranquilize them and move the them away. Get rid of them but if they keep coming back we eventually have to kill them to save ourselves.

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  • @Sam J.
    "...Of course, this is getting muddied with the usual “second shooter” rumors. These conspiracy mavens can’t see the overriding effect of their repeatedly crying Wolf ?..."

    We have a one first person sighting of a person who knows very well the, alleged, shooter, talked to him while shooting was from another building and stated directly, positively and without hesitation that there was more than one shooter. We have another person with direct accounts that also says there was, she said specifically, three shooters. What information do you have that is different? Better? You saw something on TV that says different(owned by the lying Jews)? What do you not understand about this? Can you understand what it does to your credibility and the governments that they don;t seem to be able to see that which is obvious? What this tells me is that the Jews have now taken to shooting our children to attempt to raise enough furor to take away our guns. The problem is every time they do one of these false flags they leave clues and loose ends. More and more people know that there are people attempting to murder us and our children and the government seems to be incapable of doing anything about it, doesn't care or is actively involved. How long before people decide that instead of just getting rid of the Jews they decide revenge is better and start randomly getting rid of them with violence?

    "...what is Sam J.’s motivation for demanding forced expulsion of all Jews from US?..."

    This is another reason that we should get rid of the Jews. Either they are just tremendous liars, which they are, or they are such lying manipulators that even when you forthrightly state why you don't like Jews they think there HAS to be some super duper underlying conspiracy that REALLY says why. They can't recognize the truth because they lie so much themselves. It's Jews behavior. This is not difficult to understand at all. You behave very poorly and are not socialized to live with others. It's like living with a deranged wild animal that periodically does some sort of evil mischief. The value of having you in any society is negative. You suck as people. You have little in the way of self control over the aspects of behavior that leads to civilization and peaceful living with your neighbors.

    I've said over and over that the reason the Jews should be thrown out is varied but mainly revolves around the fact that they act as if they are a tribe of psychopaths, and they probably are, with an aggressive destroy everyone else mentality, continuous lying, a marked tendency towards deviancy of the most sordid type, blackmail of our legislatures, corruption of the banking system, I could go on and on, just read my earlier post.

    Hard choice between LOL and TROLL. Just aren’t the buttons I’m looking for. (Like voting in the US, lol.)

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  • @RobinG
    What I heard about Florida was that another student [says that he] contacted the FBI tip-line (Phone or web, IDK) to warn about the shooter, but the FBI failed to fwd the tip to the appropriate agents. If so, then no excuse, really. (Of course, this is getting muddied with the usual "second shooter" rumors. These conspiracy mavens can't see the overriding effect of their repeatedly crying Wolf ? BTW, I met Alex Jones and a pack of his adherents at Bilderberg a few years ago. What a pathetic bunch of nuts and nitwits! )

    Despite what you might read, the amount of data collected is so huge that it is rare to find anything useful in it. Actually, I've always read that it was too big to be useful. That's the position of Bill Binney and Tom Drake, and why they spoke out about their Thin Thread program being abandoned in favor of bulk collection.

    Thanks for your tech comment, but I wasn't suggesting there was relation of hasbara trolls to dark web. Just, what is Sam J.'s motivation for demanding forced expulsion of all Jews from US? To discredit UR and discourage reading of comments here, seems likely. If we (you) rule out gov't probe, what options remain?

    “…Of course, this is getting muddied with the usual “second shooter” rumors. These conspiracy mavens can’t see the overriding effect of their repeatedly crying Wolf ?…”

    We have a one first person sighting of a person who knows very well the, alleged, shooter, talked to him while shooting was from another building and stated directly, positively and without hesitation that there was more than one shooter. We have another person with direct accounts that also says there was, she said specifically, three shooters. What information do you have that is different? Better? You saw something on TV that says different(owned by the lying Jews)? What do you not understand about this? Can you understand what it does to your credibility and the governments that they don;t seem to be able to see that which is obvious? What this tells me is that the Jews have now taken to shooting our children to attempt to raise enough furor to take away our guns. The problem is every time they do one of these false flags they leave clues and loose ends. More and more people know that there are people attempting to murder us and our children and the government seems to be incapable of doing anything about it, doesn’t care or is actively involved. How long before people decide that instead of just getting rid of the Jews they decide revenge is better and start randomly getting rid of them with violence?

    “…what is Sam J.’s motivation for demanding forced expulsion of all Jews from US?…”

    This is another reason that we should get rid of the Jews. Either they are just tremendous liars, which they are, or they are such lying manipulators that even when you forthrightly state why you don’t like Jews they think there HAS to be some super duper underlying conspiracy that REALLY says why. They can’t recognize the truth because they lie so much themselves. It’s Jews behavior. This is not difficult to understand at all. You behave very poorly and are not socialized to live with others. It’s like living with a deranged wild animal that periodically does some sort of evil mischief. The value of having you in any society is negative. You suck as people. You have little in the way of self control over the aspects of behavior that leads to civilization and peaceful living with your neighbors.

    I’ve said over and over that the reason the Jews should be thrown out is varied but mainly revolves around the fact that they act as if they are a tribe of psychopaths, and they probably are, with an aggressive destroy everyone else mentality, continuous lying, a marked tendency towards deviancy of the most sordid type, blackmail of our legislatures, corruption of the banking system, I could go on and on, just read my earlier post.

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  • @RobinG
    What I heard about Florida was that another student [says that he] contacted the FBI tip-line (Phone or web, IDK) to warn about the shooter, but the FBI failed to fwd the tip to the appropriate agents. If so, then no excuse, really. (Of course, this is getting muddied with the usual "second shooter" rumors. These conspiracy mavens can't see the overriding effect of their repeatedly crying Wolf ? BTW, I met Alex Jones and a pack of his adherents at Bilderberg a few years ago. What a pathetic bunch of nuts and nitwits! )

    Despite what you might read, the amount of data collected is so huge that it is rare to find anything useful in it. Actually, I've always read that it was too big to be useful. That's the position of Bill Binney and Tom Drake, and why they spoke out about their Thin Thread program being abandoned in favor of bulk collection.

    Thanks for your tech comment, but I wasn't suggesting there was relation of hasbara trolls to dark web. Just, what is Sam J.'s motivation for demanding forced expulsion of all Jews from US? To discredit UR and discourage reading of comments here, seems likely. If we (you) rule out gov't probe, what options remain?

    Just, what is Sam J.’s motivation for demanding forced expulsion of all Jews from US? To discredit UR and discourage reading of comments here, seems likely. If we (you) rule out gov’t probe, what options remain?

    It is always hard to discern the motivation of anonymous posters on any forum. The hasbara trolls are easy to spot and their motivation is obvious. Recently there has been an influx of less obvious trolls, such as “Tammy” and “Elite-something-or-other”, who intersperse their comments with a few sane thoughts, and then veer off into the land of the insane. I suspect that their intent is to pollute articles with so much noise as to take them off track and into the ether. I just block them and don’t bother to feed the trolls. A lot of posters don’t agree with my approach and insist on engaging them, leading to extended exchanges of ad hominem attacks, further exacerbating the situation.

    I am not convinced that “Sam J.” belongs to this class of trolls (of course I have no way of knowing). I see him/her as someone who has very strong convictions about the solution to the problem we see with jewish control of national policies, and he has chosen extreme separation and expulsion as the only possible solution. He is supported in his views by Kevin MacDonald, a professor of psychology at California State University at Long Beach, whose well-researched study on what causes anti-semitism, comes to a similar conclusion.

    Perusing the review of his books at http://ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n3p28_Harrison by Peter Harrison, my eyes caught the following excerpts from that site regarding assimilation and expulsion:

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    Over the centuries, host nations have taken various approaches toward this group that refused to fully assimilate. Throughout Christendom the authorities tried to convert Jews, sometimes forcibly, and when this failed they often expelled them. The French experience, MacDonald writes, was typical:

    “In 12th-13th-century France there was a shift from a policy of toleration combined with attempts to convert Jews under Louis IX to a policy of “convert or depart” during the reign of Philip IV, and finally the expulsion of Jews in 1306. The final expulsion order is also a last plea for Jewish assimilation: “Every Jew must leave my land, taking none of his possessions with him; or, let him choose a new God for himself, and we will become One People. [Italics in the original]”

    Spain, to which MacDonald devotes considerable attention, proceeded to forcible conversions in 1391 and then to expulsion in 1492. However, many converts, or “New Christians” as they were called, continued to socialize and marry only among themselves, and to cooperate professionally with each other, so conversion had little effect on group behavior. This was a major reason for the Inquisition. But, as MacDonald points out, Jews in Spain were persecuted not for who they were but for what they did:

    “The real crime in the eyes of the Iberians was that the Jews who had converted in 1391 were racialists in disguise, and this was the case even if they sincerely believed in Christianity while nevertheless continuing to marry endogamously and to engage in political and economic cooperation within the group … It was not the extent of Jewish ancestry that was a crime, but the intentional involvement in a group evolutionary strategy.”

    Those New Christians who abandoned parochial loyalties and embraced the Spanish nation along with the Christian faith had little to fear from the Inquisition.

    In later periods, when European Jews were emancipated from the myriad restrictions of the ghetto, host countries expected Jews to assimilate completely. Instead, they soon faced the same dilemma as had the Spanish. As one Jewish historian writes, “Jewish Emancipation had been tacitly tied to an illusory expectation – the disappearance of the Jewish community of its own volition. When this failed to happen … a certain uneasiness, not to say a sense of outright scandal, was experienced by Gentiles.” Far from wholly embracing the larger society, many Jews continued to marry only among themselves, and to consider themselves a people apart. Rather than promote intermarriage, some zealous Jews advocated Zionism (Jewish nationalism) as a modern and non-religious means of keeping Jews apart from Gentiles.

    Many Jews recognized that such strong particularism was not acceptable to gentiles. Theodor Herzl, the main founder of modern political Zionism, regarded anti-Semitism as “an understandable reaction to Jewish defects … ” “I find the anti-Semites are fully within their rights,” he also wrote.

    Similarly, Chaim Weizmann, for decades an important Zionist leader and Israel’s first president, observed: “Whenever the quantity of Jews in any country reaches the saturation point, that country reacts against them … [This] reaction … cannot be looked upon as anti-Semitism in the ordinary or vulgar sense of that world; it is a universal social and economic concomitant of Jewish immigration and we cannot shake it off.”

    MacDonald argues that it is this refusal to assimilate, even on terms of equality, while at the same time pushing a separate agenda, that finally leads to the harshest extremes of anti-Semitism: “A related common thread [in the European experience with Jews] has been that there is a tendency to shift away from attempts at complete cultural and genetic assimilation of Jews in the early stages of group conflict, followed eventually by the rise of collectivist, authoritarian anti-Semitic group strategies aimed at exclusion, expulsion, or genocide when it is clear that efforts at assimilation have failed.”

    MacDonald finds it significant that European nations have almost invariably proposed complete cultural and biological assimilation, but that it is Jews who have rejected this. “The fact that Western societies have typically attempted to convert and assimilate Jews before excluding them indicates that Western societies, unlike the prototypical Jewish cultures, do not have a primitive concern with racial purity.” MacDonald argues that Western societies are, by nature, individualistic rather than group-oriented, and that this is the perfect environment for any “outgroup” that pursues a collective strategy. By acting in concert, Jews can successfully advance particularist interests that may conflict with those of the host population.

    In comparison to the West, Jews have found it much more difficult to penetrate Muslim societies: “These ‘segmentary’ societies organized around discrete groups appear to be much more efficient than Western individualistic societies in keeping Jews in a powerless position … “

    It does give one pause for thought. “Sam J.” may be the representation of the increasingly emerging body of gentiles in this country that is reacting to the saturation of jewish action on our policies, and is probably the tip of the iceberg ahead.

    MacDonald argues that it is this refusal to assimilate, even on terms of equality, while at the same time pushing a separate agenda, that finally leads to the harshest extremes of anti-Semitism: “A related common thread [in the European experience with Jews] has been that there is a tendency to shift away from attempts at complete cultural and genetic assimilation of Jews in the early stages of group conflict, followed eventually by the rise of collectivist, authoritarian anti-Semitic group strategies aimed at exclusion, expulsion, or genocide when it is clear that efforts at assimilation have failed.”

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    "...It is always hard to discern the motivation of anonymous posters on any forum..."

    Not with me it's not. I tell you exactly what I think and in turn Jews here lie continuously and pretend that they are innocent little bunnys that never hurt a fly. In my mind condemning themselves even further into that which can never be part of any decent society.

    "...“Sam J.”...as someone who has very strong convictions about the solution to the problem we see with jewish control of national policies, and he has chosen extreme separation and expulsion as the only possible solution..."

    There is no other solution other than to get rid of the Jews. Peacefully if we can get it but as time gets shorter and shorter and Jews get more and more insistent of controlling Whites then more and more harsh methods may be needed. Whites have wasted far too much time on the Jews. Jews are the foremost problem in the US and Europe. You've turned our societal and financial position into a situation of extreme peril. Whites have been more than patient and have tried all manner of ways to get along with the Jews. None have been successful. One way or another you will go. Both of us can not survive together. If the "big" Jews attempt to take us over like they did Russia maybe the big Jews will get away but most of you will not. You should run for your lives now because the "big" Jews are hardened psychopaths,. Maybe some of you are not but the Jews in control will stop at nothing. You mean nothing to them. Oh you think that because you're a Jew they will look after you but they won't. They are using you just as much as they are using us and when they are through with you they will throw you away.

    MacDonald influenced me but way. way far less than you might think. He only added that to a long list of writers writing about the behavior of the Jews.

    “...The fact that Western societies have typically attempted to convert and assimilate Jews before excluding them indicates that Western societies, unlike the prototypical Jewish cultures, do not have a primitive concern with racial purity...”

    A mistake of which we are RAPIDLY learning to take account of. You will be surprised. You're whole way of life is built around taking advantage of people who want to get along with others. Think of all your stupid lying, pointing to deceptive information, stupid "task" you try to give us and all the other name calling you do, How exactly would that work if we were like you? Not at all. None. You are making us like you. You will pay for what you've done to the USA. A large amount of people know what you've done. Eventually you will be thrown out and NO ONE will want you. No one. You will try to go to India and China and they will laugh in your face and make fun of your false tears. They don't care. They have way less openness than we do. You are all idiots and you're burning down your own house. What fools you are.

    "...It does give one pause for thought. “Sam J.” may be the representation of the increasingly emerging body of gentiles in this country that is reacting to the saturation of jewish action on our policies, and is probably the tip of the iceberg ahead..."

    There's millions and millions of us and we want you gone. We can not stand much more of you and it's 100% your fault. You're an abusive aggressive people and your behavior as a whole is EXACTLY like a tribe of psychopaths. Read this short chapter about Stanley a Spath(Sociopath/psychopath) from the book "The Mask of Sanity" by Hervey M. Cleckley. Look at his silly assed adventures and stupid behavior. This the kind of shit Jews do. Like blowing up the WTC complex, random shootings, on and on and on with the deviancy of you people.

    http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/cleckley.pdf

    All these tricks that you use, always lying, always trying to derail the conversation with stupid "task", all this pretending that "you have no idea", these are all classical psychopathic behaviors. Down to a "T". Maybe you aren't a psychopath and this was taught to you but that's exactly what this behavior is. Spaths. Animals. I don't consider psychopaths humans. They're like smart lizards. They consider themselves the HIGHEST of humankind but I see them as animals. Only operating on instinct. Empathy is what MAKES civilization and you don't have it. This is why anytime Jews get their own territory they create...nothing. A big fat nothing because they're a bunch of psychopaths and if they don't feed on someone else they feed on each other.

    There was a book written quite a while ago that had a theory about why civilization sprung up so fast like it did. "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind". Basically that the mind was not fully talking to both sides. A link explaining.

    https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/westworld-bicameral-mind-theory-real

    This theory is wrong. Here's my theory. It's the correct one and eventually all will see it as so because it's so simple and obvious that it hard to dispute.

    Sam J's theory of civilization,"Civilization came about because of the rise of empathy. This allowed people to work together".

    My reading about psychopaths, Jews, the study of the Russian foxes that were breed over time to be tame, (civilized), and lots of other stuff is what influenced me on this.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_red_fox

    The theory is very simple . This tameness is actually empathy. True you may lose some raw brain smarts to the enlargement of the centers of the brain for empathy but it allows much more in the way of cooperation. Much more important. Wild animals only have sympathy for their close kin. Everyone else is to fight or feed off of. Before people had enlarged areas in their brains for empathy there could be no way possible that they could build civilization. Think how many times you've been alone with someone and you could have killed them, taken their money and no one could finger you. Numerous times for most people but you don't do this because you empathize. If you're a psychopath you could just kill indiscriminately and it not bother you at all. Before civilization all humans were mostly psychopaths so there could be no civilization. The present Jewish cabal, tribe, whatever is just a bunch of animals that take advantage of others, think that others deserve it because they're psychopaths and have half-functional animal brains. They think that everyone else is stupid but actually what they are is empathetic and want to get along. The Spaths, (Jews), have no recognition what a perilous path they are following because psychopaths have poor awareness of risks. They're fucked up and by societies standards mentally ill. The Jews have followed a path of animals that take advantage of the goodness of others. As soon as people realize that they are doing this, that it's just the way they are, there's no way to change them, they are animals that have no intention of changing and like they way things are, they will get rid of them just like people get rid of psychopaths.

    As far as I'm concerned the Jews are just like any other wild dangerous animal. Like bears or a pack of wolves. When bears get too close to civilization we tranquilize them and move the them away. Get rid of them but if they keep coming back we eventually have to kill them to save ourselves.
    , @RobinG
    We've been addressed in the 2nd person. Has Sam J. concluded that we are Jews?
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  • @Cloak And Dagger
    Yeah, most hasbara trolls are well aware of these and other self-anonymizing techniques as are the bots they use.

    The NSA uses sophisticated NARUS sniffers to collect all the data they can on every medium - and supercomputers spend all their time separating the signal from the noise (the bulk of traffic) from what they call "chatter" with session reconstruction. The FBI does not have anything nearly as sophisticated as the NSA. There is a large NSA complex full of NARUS engines and AI sorters right here in San Francisco.

    Despite what you might read, the amount of data collected is so huge that it is rare to find anything useful in it. As with the Florida school shooting, the information was there prior to the attack and yet the FBI was unable to prevent it. The dark web is teeming with contraband sales, human trafficking, and pedophile networks, and yet, except for the rare sting based on externally obtained information, these illicit markets continue to flourish.

    What I heard about Florida was that another student [says that he] contacted the FBI tip-line (Phone or web, IDK) to warn about the shooter, but the FBI failed to fwd the tip to the appropriate agents. If so, then no excuse, really. (Of course, this is getting muddied with the usual “second shooter” rumors. These conspiracy mavens can’t see the overriding effect of their repeatedly crying Wolf ? BTW, I met Alex Jones and a pack of his adherents at Bilderberg a few years ago. What a pathetic bunch of nuts and nitwits! )

    Despite what you might read, the amount of data collected is so huge that it is rare to find anything useful in it. Actually, I’ve always read that it was too big to be useful. That’s the position of Bill Binney and Tom Drake, and why they spoke out about their Thin Thread program being abandoned in favor of bulk collection.

    Thanks for your tech comment, but I wasn’t suggesting there was relation of hasbara trolls to dark web. Just, what is Sam J.’s motivation for demanding forced expulsion of all Jews from US? To discredit UR and discourage reading of comments here, seems likely. If we (you) rule out gov’t probe, what options remain?

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    Just, what is Sam J.’s motivation for demanding forced expulsion of all Jews from US? To discredit UR and discourage reading of comments here, seems likely. If we (you) rule out gov’t probe, what options remain?
     
    It is always hard to discern the motivation of anonymous posters on any forum. The hasbara trolls are easy to spot and their motivation is obvious. Recently there has been an influx of less obvious trolls, such as "Tammy" and "Elite-something-or-other", who intersperse their comments with a few sane thoughts, and then veer off into the land of the insane. I suspect that their intent is to pollute articles with so much noise as to take them off track and into the ether. I just block them and don't bother to feed the trolls. A lot of posters don't agree with my approach and insist on engaging them, leading to extended exchanges of ad hominem attacks, further exacerbating the situation.

    I am not convinced that "Sam J." belongs to this class of trolls (of course I have no way of knowing). I see him/her as someone who has very strong convictions about the solution to the problem we see with jewish control of national policies, and he has chosen extreme separation and expulsion as the only possible solution. He is supported in his views by Kevin MacDonald, a professor of psychology at California State University at Long Beach, whose well-researched study on what causes anti-semitism, comes to a similar conclusion.

    Perusing the review of his books at http://ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n3p28_Harrison by Peter Harrison, my eyes caught the following excerpts from that site regarding assimilation and expulsion:


    Over the centuries, host nations have taken various approaches toward this group that refused to fully assimilate. Throughout Christendom the authorities tried to convert Jews, sometimes forcibly, and when this failed they often expelled them. The French experience, MacDonald writes, was typical:

    “In 12th-13th-century France there was a shift from a policy of toleration combined with attempts to convert Jews under Louis IX to a policy of "convert or depart" during the reign of Philip IV, and finally the expulsion of Jews in 1306. The final expulsion order is also a last plea for Jewish assimilation: "Every Jew must leave my land, taking none of his possessions with him; or, let him choose a new God for himself, and we will become One People. [Italics in the original]”

    Spain, to which MacDonald devotes considerable attention, proceeded to forcible conversions in 1391 and then to expulsion in 1492. However, many converts, or "New Christians" as they were called, continued to socialize and marry only among themselves, and to cooperate professionally with each other, so conversion had little effect on group behavior. This was a major reason for the Inquisition. But, as MacDonald points out, Jews in Spain were persecuted not for who they were but for what they did:

    “The real crime in the eyes of the Iberians was that the Jews who had converted in 1391 were racialists in disguise, and this was the case even if they sincerely believed in Christianity while nevertheless continuing to marry endogamously and to engage in political and economic cooperation within the group ... It was not the extent of Jewish ancestry that was a crime, but the intentional involvement in a group evolutionary strategy.”

    Those New Christians who abandoned parochial loyalties and embraced the Spanish nation along with the Christian faith had little to fear from the Inquisition.

    In later periods, when European Jews were emancipated from the myriad restrictions of the ghetto, host countries expected Jews to assimilate completely. Instead, they soon faced the same dilemma as had the Spanish. As one Jewish historian writes, "Jewish Emancipation had been tacitly tied to an illusory expectation – the disappearance of the Jewish community of its own volition. When this failed to happen ... a certain uneasiness, not to say a sense of outright scandal, was experienced by Gentiles." Far from wholly embracing the larger society, many Jews continued to marry only among themselves, and to consider themselves a people apart. Rather than promote intermarriage, some zealous Jews advocated Zionism (Jewish nationalism) as a modern and non-religious means of keeping Jews apart from Gentiles.

    Many Jews recognized that such strong particularism was not acceptable to gentiles. Theodor Herzl, the main founder of modern political Zionism, regarded anti-Semitism as "an understandable reaction to Jewish defects ... " "I find the anti-Semites are fully within their rights," he also wrote.

    Similarly, Chaim Weizmann, for decades an important Zionist leader and Israel's first president, observed: “Whenever the quantity of Jews in any country reaches the saturation point, that country reacts against them ... [This] reaction ... cannot be looked upon as anti-Semitism in the ordinary or vulgar sense of that world; it is a universal social and economic concomitant of Jewish immigration and we cannot shake it off.”

    MacDonald argues that it is this refusal to assimilate, even on terms of equality, while at the same time pushing a separate agenda, that finally leads to the harshest extremes of anti-Semitism: “A related common thread [in the European experience with Jews] has been that there is a tendency to shift away from attempts at complete cultural and genetic assimilation of Jews in the early stages of group conflict, followed eventually by the rise of collectivist, authoritarian anti-Semitic group strategies aimed at exclusion, expulsion, or genocide when it is clear that efforts at assimilation have failed.”

    MacDonald finds it significant that European nations have almost invariably proposed complete cultural and biological assimilation, but that it is Jews who have rejected this. "The fact that Western societies have typically attempted to convert and assimilate Jews before excluding them indicates that Western societies, unlike the prototypical Jewish cultures, do not have a primitive concern with racial purity." MacDonald argues that Western societies are, by nature, individualistic rather than group-oriented, and that this is the perfect environment for any "outgroup" that pursues a collective strategy. By acting in concert, Jews can successfully advance particularist interests that may conflict with those of the host population.

    In comparison to the West, Jews have found it much more difficult to penetrate Muslim societies: "These 'segmentary' societies organized around discrete groups appear to be much more efficient than Western individualistic societies in keeping Jews in a powerless position ... "
     

    It does give one pause for thought. "Sam J." may be the representation of the increasingly emerging body of gentiles in this country that is reacting to the saturation of jewish action on our policies, and is probably the tip of the iceberg ahead.

    MacDonald argues that it is this refusal to assimilate, even on terms of equality, while at the same time pushing a separate agenda, that finally leads to the harshest extremes of anti-Semitism: “A related common thread [in the European experience with Jews] has been that there is a tendency to shift away from attempts at complete cultural and genetic assimilation of Jews in the early stages of group conflict, followed eventually by the rise of collectivist, authoritarian anti-Semitic group strategies aimed at exclusion, expulsion, or genocide when it is clear that efforts at assimilation have failed.”
     
    , @Sam J.
    "...Of course, this is getting muddied with the usual “second shooter” rumors. These conspiracy mavens can’t see the overriding effect of their repeatedly crying Wolf ?..."

    We have a one first person sighting of a person who knows very well the, alleged, shooter, talked to him while shooting was from another building and stated directly, positively and without hesitation that there was more than one shooter. We have another person with direct accounts that also says there was, she said specifically, three shooters. What information do you have that is different? Better? You saw something on TV that says different(owned by the lying Jews)? What do you not understand about this? Can you understand what it does to your credibility and the governments that they don;t seem to be able to see that which is obvious? What this tells me is that the Jews have now taken to shooting our children to attempt to raise enough furor to take away our guns. The problem is every time they do one of these false flags they leave clues and loose ends. More and more people know that there are people attempting to murder us and our children and the government seems to be incapable of doing anything about it, doesn't care or is actively involved. How long before people decide that instead of just getting rid of the Jews they decide revenge is better and start randomly getting rid of them with violence?

    "...what is Sam J.’s motivation for demanding forced expulsion of all Jews from US?..."

    This is another reason that we should get rid of the Jews. Either they are just tremendous liars, which they are, or they are such lying manipulators that even when you forthrightly state why you don't like Jews they think there HAS to be some super duper underlying conspiracy that REALLY says why. They can't recognize the truth because they lie so much themselves. It's Jews behavior. This is not difficult to understand at all. You behave very poorly and are not socialized to live with others. It's like living with a deranged wild animal that periodically does some sort of evil mischief. The value of having you in any society is negative. You suck as people. You have little in the way of self control over the aspects of behavior that leads to civilization and peaceful living with your neighbors.

    I've said over and over that the reason the Jews should be thrown out is varied but mainly revolves around the fact that they act as if they are a tribe of psychopaths, and they probably are, with an aggressive destroy everyone else mentality, continuous lying, a marked tendency towards deviancy of the most sordid type, blackmail of our legislatures, corruption of the banking system, I could go on and on, just read my earlier post.
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  • @RobinG
    Okay. So what's left is hasbara troll...... or what?

    Yeah, most hasbara trolls are well aware of these and other self-anonymizing techniques as are the bots they use.

    The NSA uses sophisticated NARUS sniffers to collect all the data they can on every medium – and supercomputers spend all their time separating the signal from the noise (the bulk of traffic) from what they call “chatter” with session reconstruction. The FBI does not have anything nearly as sophisticated as the NSA. There is a large NSA complex full of NARUS engines and AI sorters right here in San Francisco.

    Despite what you might read, the amount of data collected is so huge that it is rare to find anything useful in it. As with the Florida school shooting, the information was there prior to the attack and yet the FBI was unable to prevent it. The dark web is teeming with contraband sales, human trafficking, and pedophile networks, and yet, except for the rare sting based on externally obtained information, these illicit markets continue to flourish.

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    What I heard about Florida was that another student [says that he] contacted the FBI tip-line (Phone or web, IDK) to warn about the shooter, but the FBI failed to fwd the tip to the appropriate agents. If so, then no excuse, really. (Of course, this is getting muddied with the usual "second shooter" rumors. These conspiracy mavens can't see the overriding effect of their repeatedly crying Wolf ? BTW, I met Alex Jones and a pack of his adherents at Bilderberg a few years ago. What a pathetic bunch of nuts and nitwits! )

    Despite what you might read, the amount of data collected is so huge that it is rare to find anything useful in it. Actually, I've always read that it was too big to be useful. That's the position of Bill Binney and Tom Drake, and why they spoke out about their Thin Thread program being abandoned in favor of bulk collection.

    Thanks for your tech comment, but I wasn't suggesting there was relation of hasbara trolls to dark web. Just, what is Sam J.'s motivation for demanding forced expulsion of all Jews from US? To discredit UR and discourage reading of comments here, seems likely. If we (you) rule out gov't probe, what options remain?
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  • @Cloak And Dagger

    Just as FBI routinely infiltrates dissident groups, why wouldn’t they surveil forums of dissident thought?
     
    It would only be possible if such a search was directed against a specific individual, allowing for sniffers on both the transmitting and receiving ends of the stream. Mass dragnets from public fora such as UR field only the very dumb of posters, who are unaware of untraceable VPNs, untraceable email addresses, and stupid enough to leave identifying traces in their posts - and even then it would be an arduous and costly search. I work in the field of computer security and I can tell you that with the tools available today (even capitalizing on backdoors in Tor and other onion routers) it is neither worth the time nor money, unless you are looking for stupid patsies who are incapable of doing any actual harm, just so that you can indict 13 Russians as smokescreen for fruitless investigations - but I digress.

    Okay. So what’s left is hasbara troll…… or what?

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    Yeah, most hasbara trolls are well aware of these and other self-anonymizing techniques as are the bots they use.

    The NSA uses sophisticated NARUS sniffers to collect all the data they can on every medium - and supercomputers spend all their time separating the signal from the noise (the bulk of traffic) from what they call "chatter" with session reconstruction. The FBI does not have anything nearly as sophisticated as the NSA. There is a large NSA complex full of NARUS engines and AI sorters right here in San Francisco.

    Despite what you might read, the amount of data collected is so huge that it is rare to find anything useful in it. As with the Florida school shooting, the information was there prior to the attack and yet the FBI was unable to prevent it. The dark web is teeming with contraband sales, human trafficking, and pedophile networks, and yet, except for the rare sting based on externally obtained information, these illicit markets continue to flourish.

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  • @RobinG
    Why, indeed... Not long ago, while discussing how Ron Unz nobly provides an unfettered platform for free speech, someone opined how smart it is of Ron to corral so many White Nationalists in this cyber padded room. (I paraphrase, greatly.)

    Just as FBI routinely infiltrates dissident groups, why wouldn't they surveil forums of dissident thought? And as they're well known for enticing and entrapping, why not suggest criminal actions to see who agrees? Like [violently] kicking all Jews out of the country, as Sam J repeatedly proposes.

    As we see today, while the FBI ignores or fumbles real information - the TIP a month ago - about the Florida shooter, they have plenty of time to hunt for phantom Russian social media agents (which must include all our friends here who lauded Trump for his [promised] foreign policy); and to harass US citizens for exercising their 1st Amend. rights - if they challenge the ADL. AIPAC, and Israel super-legal status.


    "This week, two FBI agents visited the home of a University of California Los Angeles student and asked them questions about their student activism for Palestinian rights.

    This is not the first FBI encounter reported to our office. However, the line of questioning reflects intensifying efforts to criminalize protected political speech and human rights advocacy. State surveillance of social justice movements is not new; it has been used to intimidate activists both historically and in the current climate."

    https://palestinelegal.org/news/advisory-on-fbi-visits-ucla
     

    “…why not suggest criminal actions to see who agrees? Like [violently] kicking all Jews out of the country, as Sam J repeatedly proposes…”

    HAHHA It’s certainly not illegal to suggest passing laws to get rid of the Jews. Yet. I’ve also said,”Peacefully if we can get it”. I certainly want them out no matter what. Their blowing up buildings and murdering children is becoming unbearable.

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  • @AaronB
    At IQ 130 and above, top 2%, whites out number Jews 8 to 1 in America (not including Asians , which make the Jewish share of high IQ America even smaller).

    Jews have a mean IQ of 109, not 115. See Ron Unz.

    The mean IQ for CEOs is 115 - at this level, whites outnumber Jews even more. Most positions in journalism, business, hollywood, where Jews most predominate, require only moderately high IQs.

    Are you seriously suggesting David Brooks and Harvey Weinstein have IQs of 145 and above ? Lol.

    What is noticeable, is that since Jews have captured most intellectual fields in this country, standards have declined. Harvard is known for grade inflation and no longer producing educated students, Hollywood, that Jewish bastion, is known for producing shlock, and the NYT has masthead writers of the caliber of David Brooks.

    Obviously, Jews have captured these fields using collectivist and nepotism tactics, but simply cannot produce enough talent to maintain consistently high standards.

    The Jewish ascendancy dates from ww2 - do you find it odd that this coincides with a decline in standard across the board, and a general national decline under Jewish stewardship?

    Jews desperately wanted to rule, but simply don't have enough talent, so they lower standards. They have lost the Mandate of Heaven.

    In technology, Jewish contributions are Facebook and Uber, which require little engineering ability and are mostly about advertising or breaking existing laws to redirect existing business to your model (uber), while white gentiles like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos seem to have cornered the heavy engineering and organization fields.

    People are noticing

    “…The mean IQ for CEOs is 115…”

    I think this one of the reasons for the decline of US industry. A lot of the aerospace companies used to have founders and engineering types running them but over time business people took over. I read a blog by a high IQ guy who studies these sorts of things and he said that, I think it was, at 30 IQ points difference that people have a hard time relating. They’re just on a different wavelength and don’t mesh well. I think the lower IQ of CEO’s is because over time they move towards a CEO that has an easier time relating to everyone around him. If you start the company you have less problem with that because you’re the boss period. Look at Lockhead-Martin. I don;t think the CEO has any understanding at all of what’s going on and a combination of that and cost plus has made the F-25 uncompetitive cost wise. The CEO used to run a bread company. There’s nothing wrong with that but I believe with a highly technical business you need a STEM type person with some smarts to run things.

    Oh by the Way the latest Florida school shooter is a Jew. Of course. The FBI should stop watching Palestinians and WN and watch the Jews. They’re the ones that keep shooting people, blowing up our buildings and getting us in wars.

    Just think id we had gotten rid of the Jews then all those kids would be alive. We don’t need to ban guns we need to ban Jews.

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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    IQ is certainly not everything for sure. Malcolm Gladwell looks at this in detail in his book Outliers. Terman's "Termites" is just one example. Chris Langan with an IQ of 150 is another.

    Thanks for picking up my reply which I don’t see having an at the beginning. What do you think about the proposition I immediately followed with about the Normal curve of sleep requirements perhaps being up with IQ in explanatory power? I think we underrate the importance of only needing three to five and a half or six hours sleep for full effectivenesss. It is an interesting question IMO as to why health advice in serious media is always going on about our sleep deficits because we don’t get our 8 hours when there must be many senior medical people who get by with much less. I suspect that the general sleep deficit is in part caused by the pace being set by the 5 hour a nighters or just the 6.5 hour middle management….

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Just as FBI routinely infiltrates dissident groups, why wouldn’t they surveil forums of dissident thought?
     
    It would only be possible if such a search was directed against a specific individual, allowing for sniffers on both the transmitting and receiving ends of the stream. Mass dragnets from public fora such as UR field only the very dumb of posters, who are unaware of untraceable VPNs, untraceable email addresses, and stupid enough to leave identifying traces in their posts - and even then it would be an arduous and costly search. I work in the field of computer security and I can tell you that with the tools available today (even capitalizing on backdoors in Tor and other onion routers) it is neither worth the time nor money, unless you are looking for stupid patsies who are incapable of doing any actual harm, just so that you can indict 13 Russians as smokescreen for fruitless investigations - but I digress.

    It seems from what you say that any half smart group that had reason not to like the FBI would arrange to flood the FBI’s detecting algorithms with loads of subtley designed junk.

    As it is many candidate groups seem to practise on us with manual, steam era methods and thoughts.

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  • @anon
    Is this replying to or commenting on anything in particular or just a cheerful morning fart? In fact the "150" suggests you hadn't quite woken.

    The name Chris Langam meant nothing to me so I Googled and Wikied. Not 150 but 190 to 210 in the tabloidish suggestions that he was the world's or America's clevrrest man. Ah sic transit gloria! It was only back in 1994 that Langan's junior, one Ron Unz, was reported in the LA Times as having an IQ measured at 214. Don't you remember that young Nosey?

    I thank you for the introduction. It does indeed tend to support your "IQ is not everything" even within a single country and culture. More generally a reminder about the "shoulders of giants" that can usually be identified. Langan doesn't seem to have done much more than demonstrate clever eccentricity but that is still a reminder that there is an interesting story to be told - with intelligent theorising - about the fruitfulness of ignorance where it saves some genius from being mired in the conventional limited understanding of something. Perhaps Gladwell has some notes which would provide an opening glimpse.

    Your "Termites"' reference I suggest is not justfied unless it is justified to suggest that the obvious needs repetition, i.e. that not all high IQ people perform very well. Most of the "Termites" did.

    Were you as shocked as I by AaronB's statement that the average American CEO's IQ is 115? Presumably that wouldn't apply to the two or three hundred biggest companies??? But a recent Australian business story of one John McGrath resuming control of the eponymous listed company in which he still had a 25 per cent holding after collecting $37 million when it floated made him sound like a very low IQ person - with just energy; charm and discipline apart from stupid gambling. It made me wonder about the likely problems of a company facing a changing world with a CEO who was only sharper (in the IQ sense) than 80 per cent of mankind. Along comes a 135 IQ private equity shyster with a 130 IQ PR whizz and a 145 IQ tax lawyer, just as the competitive and technological world seems to be changing.... Unless the company has a smart confident chairman who will replace the CEO promptly with a smart guy I would hope I had only stagged any shares in that company. N'est-ce pas?

    Thank you for pointing out my errors and for reiterating the notion that IQ measurement has its uses but certainly isn’t everything. Cheers

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  • @RobinG
    Why, indeed... Not long ago, while discussing how Ron Unz nobly provides an unfettered platform for free speech, someone opined how smart it is of Ron to corral so many White Nationalists in this cyber padded room. (I paraphrase, greatly.)

    Just as FBI routinely infiltrates dissident groups, why wouldn't they surveil forums of dissident thought? And as they're well known for enticing and entrapping, why not suggest criminal actions to see who agrees? Like [violently] kicking all Jews out of the country, as Sam J repeatedly proposes.

    As we see today, while the FBI ignores or fumbles real information - the TIP a month ago - about the Florida shooter, they have plenty of time to hunt for phantom Russian social media agents (which must include all our friends here who lauded Trump for his [promised] foreign policy); and to harass US citizens for exercising their 1st Amend. rights - if they challenge the ADL. AIPAC, and Israel super-legal status.


    "This week, two FBI agents visited the home of a University of California Los Angeles student and asked them questions about their student activism for Palestinian rights.

    This is not the first FBI encounter reported to our office. However, the line of questioning reflects intensifying efforts to criminalize protected political speech and human rights advocacy. State surveillance of social justice movements is not new; it has been used to intimidate activists both historically and in the current climate."

    https://palestinelegal.org/news/advisory-on-fbi-visits-ucla
     

    Just as FBI routinely infiltrates dissident groups, why wouldn’t they surveil forums of dissident thought?

    It would only be possible if such a search was directed against a specific individual, allowing for sniffers on both the transmitting and receiving ends of the stream. Mass dragnets from public fora such as UR field only the very dumb of posters, who are unaware of untraceable VPNs, untraceable email addresses, and stupid enough to leave identifying traces in their posts – and even then it would be an arduous and costly search. I work in the field of computer security and I can tell you that with the tools available today (even capitalizing on backdoors in Tor and other onion routers) it is neither worth the time nor money, unless you are looking for stupid patsies who are incapable of doing any actual harm, just so that you can indict 13 Russians as smokescreen for fruitless investigations – but I digress.

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    It seems from what you say that any half smart group that had reason not to like the FBI would arrange to flood the FBI's detecting algorithms with loads of subtley designed junk.

    As it is many candidate groups seem to practise on us with manual, steam era methods and thoughts.
    , @RobinG
    Okay. So what's left is hasbara troll...... or what?
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  • anon • Disclaimer says:

    Hey! Here’s a thought worth thinking because it suggests something testable.. It was prompted by the speed of Elon Musk’s achievements (he’s apparently not Jewish btw). What if that classic 7.5 to 8 hours in 24 need for sleep was in reality a need with a Gaussian (normal) distribution with something like a 1 hour SD around a 7.25 hour average. Mind you I see complications in the fact that sleep allows for several quite different things to happen; e.g. consolidation of memories; clearing out of biochemical waste/junk, muscle and joint repair etc. so it might be possible that someone could have a brain they only needed 4 hours sleep but die young because the cardiovascular system needed 8 hours. Such problems aside, I would expect AaronB’s IQ of 115 for CEOs is best explained by their typically requiring a lot less sleep than most people for adequate cognitive functioning. You can perhaps pick up potential problems that need attention or discover who amongst your staff have the bright ideas equally by being very sharp or by spending 15 per cent more time checking????

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  • anon • Disclaimer says:

    Is this replying to or commenting on anything in particular or just a cheerful morning fart? In fact the “150″ suggests you hadn’t quite woken.

    The name Chris Langam meant nothing to me so I Googled and Wikied. Not 150 but 190 to 210 in the tabloidish suggestions that he was the world’s or America’s clevrrest man. Ah sic transit gloria! It was only back in 1994 that Langan’s junior, one Ron Unz, was reported in the LA Times as having an IQ measured at 214. Don’t you remember that young Nosey?

    I thank you for the introduction. It does indeed tend to support your “IQ is not everything” even within a single country and culture. More generally a reminder about the “shoulders of giants” that can usually be identified. Langan doesn’t seem to have done much more than demonstrate clever eccentricity but that is still a reminder that there is an interesting story to be told – with intelligent theorising – about the fruitfulness of ignorance where it saves some genius from being mired in the conventional limited understanding of something. Perhaps Gladwell has some notes which would provide an opening glimpse.

    Your “Termites”‘ reference I suggest is not justfied unless it is justified to suggest that the obvious needs repetition, i.e. that not all high IQ people perform very well. Most of the “Termites” did.

    Were you as shocked as I by AaronB’s statement that the average American CEO’s IQ is 115? Presumably that wouldn’t apply to the two or three hundred biggest companies??? But a recent Australian business story of one John McGrath resuming control of the eponymous listed company in which he still had a 25 per cent holding after collecting $37 million when it floated made him sound like a very low IQ person – with just energy; charm and discipline apart from stupid gambling. It made me wonder about the likely problems of a company facing a changing world with a CEO who was only sharper (in the IQ sense) than 80 per cent of mankind. Along comes a 135 IQ private equity shyster with a 130 IQ PR whizz and a 145 IQ tax lawyer, just as the competitive and technological world seems to be changing…. Unless the company has a smart confident chairman who will replace the CEO promptly with a smart guy I would hope I had only stagged any shares in that company. N’est-ce pas?

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    Thank you for pointing out my errors and for reiterating the notion that IQ measurement has its uses but certainly isn't everything. Cheers
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  • @ANON
    It might not be too difficult to do a preliminary check with Wikipedia.

    It would be very surprising if the potential funding bias (and I don't dispute the theoretical possibility of it occurring via old WASP foundations like Rockefeller or Ford; cp. "Capture" of the Ivies) had begun before the 70s or 80s.

    The unsupported suggestion made earlier about direct Jewish influence on the awards has in fact prompted another theoretical speculation. Just as Harvey Weinstein is supposed to have mastered the art of Oscar lobbying maybe there is the equivalent in the nomination and deliberation stages for the Nobels. Who would do it? It is not something that one would expect a Sheldon Adelson to be good at but he could easily put a retired university president with prestige in STEM to sit on a $10 million foundation dedicated to promoting promising scientists' careers....

    Hey.... why go to all the bother? Let's make it up!

    For a mini thesis I suggest a study of all the Nobels now seen to be duds to see if there are any explanatory themes which emerge from their back stories.

    Hey…. why go to all the bother? Let’s make it up!

    I would prefer to ask the question and have it answered intelligently.

    If you think there is no bias in the awarding of scientific grants you would have to come up with a much more substantial argument than what you have presented. In fact, you presented nothing.

    And cut out the satire, you are not very good at it.

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  • IQ is certainly not everything for sure. Malcolm Gladwell looks at this in detail in his book Outliers. Terman’s “Termites” is just one example. Chris Langan with an IQ of 150 is another.

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    Thanks for picking up my reply which I don't see having an @NoseytheDuke at the beginning. What do you think about the proposition I immediately followed with about the Normal curve of sleep requirements perhaps being up with IQ in explanatory power? I think we underrate the importance of only needing three to five and a half or six hours sleep for full effectivenesss. It is an interesting question IMO as to why health advice in serious media is always going on about our sleep deficits because we don't get our 8 hours when there must be many senior medical people who get by with much less. I suspect that the general sleep deficit is in part caused by the pace being set by the 5 hour a nighters or just the 6.5 hour middle management....
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  • @Anonymous
    Smart thinking perhaps. Though why do you think the FBI would be interested in these sorts of threads? I don't see much sign of Muslim terrorists being flushed out on UR.

    Why, indeed… Not long ago, while discussing how Ron Unz nobly provides an unfettered platform for free speech, someone opined how smart it is of Ron to corral so many White Nationalists in this cyber padded room. (I paraphrase, greatly.)

    Just as FBI routinely infiltrates dissident groups, why wouldn’t they surveil forums of dissident thought? And as they’re well known for enticing and entrapping, why not suggest criminal actions to see who agrees? Like [violently] kicking all Jews out of the country, as Sam J repeatedly proposes.

    As we see today, while the FBI ignores or fumbles real information – the TIP a month ago – about the Florida shooter, they have plenty of time to hunt for phantom Russian social media agents (which must include all our friends here who lauded Trump for his [promised] foreign policy); and to harass US citizens for exercising their 1st Amend. rights – if they challenge the ADL. AIPAC, and Israel super-legal status.

    “This week, two FBI agents visited the home of a University of California Los Angeles student and asked them questions about their student activism for Palestinian rights.

    This is not the first FBI encounter reported to our office. However, the line of questioning reflects intensifying efforts to criminalize protected political speech and human rights advocacy. State surveillance of social justice movements is not new; it has been used to intimidate activists both historically and in the current climate.”

    https://palestinelegal.org/news/advisory-on-fbi-visits-ucla

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    Just as FBI routinely infiltrates dissident groups, why wouldn’t they surveil forums of dissident thought?
     
    It would only be possible if such a search was directed against a specific individual, allowing for sniffers on both the transmitting and receiving ends of the stream. Mass dragnets from public fora such as UR field only the very dumb of posters, who are unaware of untraceable VPNs, untraceable email addresses, and stupid enough to leave identifying traces in their posts - and even then it would be an arduous and costly search. I work in the field of computer security and I can tell you that with the tools available today (even capitalizing on backdoors in Tor and other onion routers) it is neither worth the time nor money, unless you are looking for stupid patsies who are incapable of doing any actual harm, just so that you can indict 13 Russians as smokescreen for fruitless investigations - but I digress.
    , @Sam J.
    "...why not suggest criminal actions to see who agrees? Like [violently] kicking all Jews out of the country, as Sam J repeatedly proposes..."

    HAHHA It's certainly not illegal to suggest passing laws to get rid of the Jews. Yet. I've also said,"Peacefully if we can get it". I certainly want them out no matter what. Their blowing up buildings and murdering children is becoming unbearable.
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  • @ANON
    Thank you for that coherent and civil answer which achieved the rare feat on UR of answering me without misrepresenting or misunderstanding what I had said.

    The average CEO 115? Is that all S & P 500? Oh dear! Sell, sell, sell!

    Of course knowing of the Flynn Effect and life experience make it all more complicated than equating what is measured by IQ tests with some all purpose intelligence but I continue to believe tha.t one can make on average generalisations and predictions - as you do too I have no doubt. (I once had access to my secondary school's records which contained, inter alia, many boys' IQ scores. A particularly clever friend, whose intellect continued to sparkle throughout life both in verbal and mathemstical fields was recorded as having been tested at 183 and 137! So I am capable of sober doubt).

    Also anecdotally, a Chinese-Australian accountant told me 15 years ago that he was working in a firm with several Jews who complained that their children were no longer motivated to work hard. That may have been a response to learning that his daughter had just won a scholarship to a good academic private school!

    On a related matter I attribute a lot of the low grade SJW activity in the modern Anglosphere to the absurd expansion of so-called university education. On top of the loss of a class of sensible people with useful technical/practical skills we must have some pretty dim people teaching the very dim simplistic slogans and the delusion that their opinions should count in serious discussion.

    Well, if you write clearly how can I not respond clearly? It’s the very least I can do!

    Yes, one can surely make generalizations and predictions, but analyzing the composition of IQ – what it stands for – is a bit more difficult.

    Ron Unz documents the decline in Jewish high level performance – which is surely a decline in motivation. Complacency eventually sets in. Whites went through it too. Winning a scholarship to a private school – 50 years ago, no jew would be content with that lol.

    The democratization of university education is probably responsible for much envy and frustration on the part of the less qualified. Another ironic effect of modern attempts at improvement.

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  • @RobinG
    Or.... maybe knows them all too well. Most of Sam J's comments are on the level of the Israeli teenager who made anti-Semitic threats to Jewish community centers and synagogues in the US. It's a brand of hasbara troll. Or FBI.

    Smart thinking perhaps. Though why do you think the FBI would be interested in these sorts of threads? I don’t see much sign of Muslim terrorists being flushed out on UR.

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    Why, indeed... Not long ago, while discussing how Ron Unz nobly provides an unfettered platform for free speech, someone opined how smart it is of Ron to corral so many White Nationalists in this cyber padded room. (I paraphrase, greatly.)

    Just as FBI routinely infiltrates dissident groups, why wouldn't they surveil forums of dissident thought? And as they're well known for enticing and entrapping, why not suggest criminal actions to see who agrees? Like [violently] kicking all Jews out of the country, as Sam J repeatedly proposes.

    As we see today, while the FBI ignores or fumbles real information - the TIP a month ago - about the Florida shooter, they have plenty of time to hunt for phantom Russian social media agents (which must include all our friends here who lauded Trump for his [promised] foreign policy); and to harass US citizens for exercising their 1st Amend. rights - if they challenge the ADL. AIPAC, and Israel super-legal status.


    "This week, two FBI agents visited the home of a University of California Los Angeles student and asked them questions about their student activism for Palestinian rights.

    This is not the first FBI encounter reported to our office. However, the line of questioning reflects intensifying efforts to criminalize protected political speech and human rights advocacy. State surveillance of social justice movements is not new; it has been used to intimidate activists both historically and in the current climate."

    https://palestinelegal.org/news/advisory-on-fbi-visits-ucla
     

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  • ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB
    At IQ 130 and above, top 2%, whites out number Jews 8 to 1 in America (not including Asians , which make the Jewish share of high IQ America even smaller).

    Jews have a mean IQ of 109, not 115. See Ron Unz.

    The mean IQ for CEOs is 115 - at this level, whites outnumber Jews even more. Most positions in journalism, business, hollywood, where Jews most predominate, require only moderately high IQs.

    Are you seriously suggesting David Brooks and Harvey Weinstein have IQs of 145 and above ? Lol.

    What is noticeable, is that since Jews have captured most intellectual fields in this country, standards have declined. Harvard is known for grade inflation and no longer producing educated students, Hollywood, that Jewish bastion, is known for producing shlock, and the NYT has masthead writers of the caliber of David Brooks.

    Obviously, Jews have captured these fields using collectivist and nepotism tactics, but simply cannot produce enough talent to maintain consistently high standards.

    The Jewish ascendancy dates from ww2 - do you find it odd that this coincides with a decline in standard across the board, and a general national decline under Jewish stewardship?

    Jews desperately wanted to rule, but simply don't have enough talent, so they lower standards. They have lost the Mandate of Heaven.

    In technology, Jewish contributions are Facebook and Uber, which require little engineering ability and are mostly about advertising or breaking existing laws to redirect existing business to your model (uber), while white gentiles like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos seem to have cornered the heavy engineering and organization fields.

    People are noticing

    Thank you for that coherent and civil answer which achieved the rare feat on UR of answering me without misrepresenting or misunderstanding what I had said.

    The average CEO 115? Is that all S & P 500? Oh dear! Sell, sell, sell!

    Of course knowing of the Flynn Effect and life experience make it all more complicated than equating what is measured by IQ tests with some all purpose intelligence but I continue to believe tha.t one can make on average generalisations and predictions – as you do too I have no doubt. (I once had access to my secondary school’s records which contained, inter alia, many boys’ IQ scores. A particularly clever friend, whose intellect continued to sparkle throughout life both in verbal and mathemstical fields was recorded as having been tested at 183 and 137! So I am capable of sober doubt).

    Also anecdotally, a Chinese-Australian accountant told me 15 years ago that he was working in a firm with several Jews who complained that their children were no longer motivated to work hard. That may have been a response to learning that his daughter had just won a scholarship to a good academic private school!

    On a related matter I attribute a lot of the low grade SJW activity in the modern Anglosphere to the absurd expansion of so-called university education. On top of the loss of a class of sensible people with useful technical/practical skills we must have some pretty dim people teaching the very dim simplistic slogans and the delusion that their opinions should count in serious discussion.

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    Well, if you write clearly how can I not respond clearly? It's the very least I can do!

    Yes, one can surely make generalizations and predictions, but analyzing the composition of IQ - what it stands for - is a bit more difficult.

    Ron Unz documents the decline in Jewish high level performance - which is surely a decline in motivation. Complacency eventually sets in. Whites went through it too. Winning a scholarship to a private school - 50 years ago, no jew would be content with that lol.

    The democratization of university education is probably responsible for much envy and frustration on the part of the less qualified. Another ironic effect of modern attempts at improvement.
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  • @geokat62

    ... and this demonic agenda is continuing even today, as Trump shows his true colors as a traitor and war pig liar, who was lying to us all along.
     
    It looks like you’ve reached a tipping point on Trump, Rurik.

    What has convinced you he has been lying all along?

    Hey Geo,

    It looks like you’ve reached a tipping point on Trump, Rurik.

    What has convinced you he has been lying all along?

    this is from one of my other posts on Unz:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/a-us-jet-destroyed-a-russian-t-72-battle-tank-in-self-defense-in-syria-2018-2?r=UK&IR=T

    if Trump goes down this road, he is going without his former supporters

    the neocons are the enemy of the US republic, and if Trump is going to serve that master, then he is also an enemy to the US republic.

    if Trump escalates the war in Syria, I think he should know that (many, hopefully most of) his former supporters would consider that a deal breaker. Trump was elected to end the zio-wars, not escalate them.

    I don’t care if he gives the ZUS economy 10% growth, and builds the wall and the stock market goes to unprecedented bubbles of fake wealth.

    If he sides with the Strategic Advisory Board of Genie Energy vs. the Rule of Law, and the people of the planet, then he’s also a minion of the Fiend, and I will not lend support to the Fiend, or its execrable little toadies. Quite the opposite.

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  • @ANON
    "Do the math". Well you show me yours.

    Years ago when the assumptions I made were Ashkenazi Jewish avg IQ 115 (sd 15) and American Jewish population share nearly 3 per cent I noted that about 50 per cent of positions like major newspaper editors and successful Hollywood directors - and Wall Street bankers and lawyers - were Jewish it fitted well with the suppositiin that an IQ of 145 was about right for that level of attainment because there would be proportionately 17 times as many 2sd people compared to 3sd. So... 17 times 3 per cent gives you 50 per cent. Mind you, i noted not long after in Jim Collins "Built to Last" and "Great to Good", his well researched books on what it took to build great businesses that Jews weren't espevially prominent. Still, I think you might have trouble disproving the importance of Jewish intellect to America unless the East Asians have already dilled any gap.

    At IQ 130 and above, top 2%, whites out number Jews 8 to 1 in America (not including Asians , which make the Jewish share of high IQ America even smaller).

    Jews have a mean IQ of 109, not 115. See Ron Unz.

    The mean IQ for CEOs is 115 – at this level, whites outnumber Jews even more. Most positions in journalism, business, hollywood, where Jews most predominate, require only moderately high IQs.

    Are you seriously suggesting David Brooks and Harvey Weinstein have IQs of 145 and above ? Lol.

    What is noticeable, is that since Jews have captured most intellectual fields in this country, standards have declined. Harvard is known for grade inflation and no longer producing educated students, Hollywood, that Jewish bastion, is known for producing shlock, and the NYT has masthead writers of the caliber of David Brooks.

    Obviously, Jews have captured these fields using collectivist and nepotism tactics, but simply cannot produce enough talent to maintain consistently high standards.

    The Jewish ascendancy dates from ww2 – do you find it odd that this coincides with a decline in standard across the board, and a general national decline under Jewish stewardship?

    Jews desperately wanted to rule, but simply don’t have enough talent, so they lower standards. They have lost the Mandate of Heaven.

    In technology, Jewish contributions are Facebook and Uber, which require little engineering ability and are mostly about advertising or breaking existing laws to redirect existing business to your model (uber), while white gentiles like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos seem to have cornered the heavy engineering and organization fields.

    People are noticing

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    Thank you for that coherent and civil answer which achieved the rare feat on UR of answering me without misrepresenting or misunderstanding what I had said.

    The average CEO 115? Is that all S & P 500? Oh dear! Sell, sell, sell!

    Of course knowing of the Flynn Effect and life experience make it all more complicated than equating what is measured by IQ tests with some all purpose intelligence but I continue to believe tha.t one can make on average generalisations and predictions - as you do too I have no doubt. (I once had access to my secondary school's records which contained, inter alia, many boys' IQ scores. A particularly clever friend, whose intellect continued to sparkle throughout life both in verbal and mathemstical fields was recorded as having been tested at 183 and 137! So I am capable of sober doubt).

    Also anecdotally, a Chinese-Australian accountant told me 15 years ago that he was working in a firm with several Jews who complained that their children were no longer motivated to work hard. That may have been a response to learning that his daughter had just won a scholarship to a good academic private school!

    On a related matter I attribute a lot of the low grade SJW activity in the modern Anglosphere to the absurd expansion of so-called university education. On top of the loss of a class of sensible people with useful technical/practical skills we must have some pretty dim people teaching the very dim simplistic slogans and the delusion that their opinions should count in serious discussion.

    , @Sam J.
    "...The mean IQ for CEOs is 115..."

    I think this one of the reasons for the decline of US industry. A lot of the aerospace companies used to have founders and engineering types running them but over time business people took over. I read a blog by a high IQ guy who studies these sorts of things and he said that, I think it was, at 30 IQ points difference that people have a hard time relating. They're just on a different wavelength and don't mesh well. I think the lower IQ of CEO's is because over time they move towards a CEO that has an easier time relating to everyone around him. If you start the company you have less problem with that because you're the boss period. Look at Lockhead-Martin. I don;t think the CEO has any understanding at all of what's going on and a combination of that and cost plus has made the F-25 uncompetitive cost wise. The CEO used to run a bread company. There's nothing wrong with that but I believe with a highly technical business you need a STEM type person with some smarts to run things.

    Oh by the Way the latest Florida school shooter is a Jew. Of course. The FBI should stop watching Palestinians and WN and watch the Jews. They're the ones that keep shooting people, blowing up our buildings and getting us in wars.

    Just think id we had gotten rid of the Jews then all those kids would be alive. We don't need to ban guns we need to ban Jews.
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  • @Anonymous
    A pity your experience and acquaintance has been so limited. There are many Jews who would recognise and squirm at your description of some of the others but apparently you.don't know them.

    My criticism are of Jews as a group. You work together as a group with very little self criticism all the while unleashing a tsunami of daily 24 hour, round the clock, criticism of Whites you deserve every bit of criticism you get and MORE.

    I’ll tell you what you Jews stop your non-stop over 100 year criticism directed at Whites for 50 years or so then I’ll stop.

    This is another reason that we can’t live with the Jews. They constantly call on our better behavior, of which we have in abundance, while all the time knowing they will do none of the same. They deserve nothing from Whites but grief and condemnation for their treacherous behavior. We should get rid of them and save ourselves. Peacefully if we can get it but if not they should be driven out in any manner we can muster.

    The Jews have always done this. They think, well they won’t do anything in response to our psychopathic behavior until…they do. Then the whailing starts. Oh me, poor Jew me, I’m such an angel but the evil Whites are mean to me. Well I’m telling you it’s your behavior. Can you change? I don’t think so. I think you’re all mentally ill when it comes to getting along with people. It’s just not in you. Can’t do it, therefore we need to throw you all out.

    It would be nice if we could find the few that are like real people but we’ve tried that. Didn’t work. The only thing that works is to keep you away forever.

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  • Stephen Miller is definitely good for the Jews. if most Jews thought like Stephen Miller, most of the 1488ers would drop the 88s. After all, nobody really cares that a disproportionately high fraction of mathematicians are Jews. It’s Jewish politics that drives them nuts.

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  • @Anonymous
    A pity your experience and acquaintance has been so limited. There are many Jews who would recognise and squirm at your description of some of the others but apparently you.don't know them.

    Or…. maybe knows them all too well. Most of Sam J’s comments are on the level of the Israeli teenager who made anti-Semitic threats to Jewish community centers and synagogues in the US. It’s a brand of hasbara troll. Or FBI.

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    Smart thinking perhaps. Though why do you think the FBI would be interested in these sorts of threads? I don't see much sign of Muslim terrorists being flushed out on UR.
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  • @Sam J.
    "...silly stuff out of the way?..."

    Silly stuff?

    "... As I have corresponded on and off with Kevin Macdonald via an egroup for over 20 years I thank you for at last putting me on to something prima facie substantial..."

    You're telling me you've read Kevin Macdonald's stuff for 20 years and don't know anything about Jewish influence on immigration? I find that extremely hard to believe. So if he never ever talked about immigration what did he talk about for 20 years with you?

    "...Your absurd ascription of “Jewiness” to the words of mine you quote invite a derogatory response..."

    It would appear to me, and I bet plenty of others, that my characterization of "Jewishness" that corresponds with attempting to give "task" to people to complete, even if it is readily apparent what the answer is and widely known, is not altogether completely unlikely in this case.

    "... But, in reality, it is your manners, your lack of civility and courtesy, that most clearly marks you as one of the whites whom traditionsl white ladies and gentlemen will happily see disappear..."

    Imagine that. Jewish people, the very definition of rude, inconsiderate, pushy, non-feeling people, somehow having the obnoxious entitlement to complain about others manners. White people don't need to give courtesy to Jews. They get none from them therefore Jews deserve none back. Jews have no business demanding courtesy for anyone. They refuse to act as honorable people. This completely callous behavior, demanding courtesy while giving none, is just another reason that Jews should be deported from the USA. We should get rid f them so we can have a courteous society. They undermine courtesy by making every interaction with them an unpleasant contest.

    A pity your experience and acquaintance has been so limited. There are many Jews who would recognise and squirm at your description of some of the others but apparently you.don’t know them.

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    Or.... maybe knows them all too well. Most of Sam J's comments are on the level of the Israeli teenager who made anti-Semitic threats to Jewish community centers and synagogues in the US. It's a brand of hasbara troll. Or FBI.
    , @Sam J.
    My criticism are of Jews as a group. You work together as a group with very little self criticism all the while unleashing a tsunami of daily 24 hour, round the clock, criticism of Whites you deserve every bit of criticism you get and MORE.

    I'll tell you what you Jews stop your non-stop over 100 year criticism directed at Whites for 50 years or so then I'll stop.

    This is another reason that we can't live with the Jews. They constantly call on our better behavior, of which we have in abundance, while all the time knowing they will do none of the same. They deserve nothing from Whites but grief and condemnation for their treacherous behavior. We should get rid of them and save ourselves. Peacefully if we can get it but if not they should be driven out in any manner we can muster.

    The Jews have always done this. They think, well they won't do anything in response to our psychopathic behavior until...they do. Then the whailing starts. Oh me, poor Jew me, I'm such an angel but the evil Whites are mean to me. Well I'm telling you it's your behavior. Can you change? I don't think so. I think you're all mentally ill when it comes to getting along with people. It's just not in you. Can't do it, therefore we need to throw you all out.

    It would be nice if we could find the few that are like real people but we've tried that. Didn't work. The only thing that works is to keep you away forever.
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  • @Anonymous
    Well that wasn't so difficult was it, once you had got the silly stuff out of the way? As I have corresponded on and off with Kevin Macdonald via an egroup for over 20 years I thank you for at last putting me on to something prima facie substantial.

    Your absurd ascription of "Jewiness" to the words of mine you quote invite a derogatory response about the clarity and/or honesty of your intellect. After all you had already said in effect "don't bother me if you are so wantonly ignorant: look it up for yourself" and I was clearly giving reason for saying your objection was misconceived. But, in reality, it is your manners, your lack of civility and courtesy, that most clearly marks you as one of the whites whom traditionsl white ladies and gentlemen will happily see disappear.

    The mention by Macdonald of the very early push to limit Jewish entry into elite schools reminds that a young relation of mine was recently sitting for a vsluable entrance scholardhip exam to a top academic private school. His father noted ruefully that the majority of the large number sitting appeared to be East Asians who had been tutored and coached for three years (no doubt an exaggeration but my young relative's coaching had certainly been much less). I note one big difference compared to 1900 Jews. They are rarely from other than very small families. I like to point out to people who ignore numbers that in 1913 there were 2 million Germans born and 5 million Russians. Who cares about a few million killed or starved if you want to be able to stage a decent war in 1939? Same with the Japanese before 1941. I'm not making a particular point here to ram down your throat. But I do suggest keeping an eye on the numbers, including too longevity and marrying out. It wouldn't do any harm to show an interest in inheritance taxes and tax havens too, not to mention the Ivies entry quotas (de facto or actual).

    “…silly stuff out of the way?…”

    Silly stuff?

    “… As I have corresponded on and off with Kevin Macdonald via an egroup for over 20 years I thank you for at last putting me on to something prima facie substantial…”

    You’re telling me you’ve read Kevin Macdonald’s stuff for 20 years and don’t know anything about Jewish influence on immigration? I find that extremely hard to believe. So if he never ever talked about immigration what did he talk about for 20 years with you?

    “…Your absurd ascription of “Jewiness” to the words of mine you quote invite a derogatory response…”

    It would appear to me, and I bet plenty of others, that my characterization of “Jewishness” that corresponds with attempting to give “task” to people to complete, even if it is readily apparent what the answer is and widely known, is not altogether completely unlikely in this case.

    “… But, in reality, it is your manners, your lack of civility and courtesy, that most clearly marks you as one of the whites whom traditionsl white ladies and gentlemen will happily see disappear…”

    Imagine that. Jewish people, the very definition of rude, inconsiderate, pushy, non-feeling people, somehow having the obnoxious entitlement to complain about others manners. White people don’t need to give courtesy to Jews. They get none from them therefore Jews deserve none back. Jews have no business demanding courtesy for anyone. They refuse to act as honorable people. This completely callous behavior, demanding courtesy while giving none, is just another reason that Jews should be deported from the USA. We should get rid f them so we can have a courteous society. They undermine courtesy by making every interaction with them an unpleasant contest.

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    A pity your experience and acquaintance has been so limited. There are many Jews who would recognise and squirm at your description of some of the others but apparently you.don't know them.
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  • @Tyrion 2

    Are you now clarifying that you did not do so with the intention of trying to introduce a distinction between “genuine” free speech and allowing people like Chabloz to not be prosecuted, which is what the context implied?
     
    I never intended to imply the context you saw in it. Free speech is key to the civilization I love.

    This is an assertion that would have no importance even if it were true.
     
    It is important when we are discussing mass opinion...

    No, most people argue that even things of which they strongly disapprove should be allowed to be said. Indeed, this is the supposed official position of the British government and of the British elites, with hypocritical qualifiers only when the powerful wish to impose them.
     
    Very unfortunately, all evidence says otherwise.

    The fact remains that contrary to your suggestion the Chabloz prosecution absolutely is nothing ordinary for Britain, but represents a major downward step on the road to censorship

     

    It seems very much part to me of a tragically obvious trend.

    But it’s not here that any action will be of any use. Most people here are well aware of the actions of jewish organisations trying to shut down speech they dislike. Really you should be making clear directly and personally to the various organisations that claim to represent you in this that CAA are not acting in your name in prosecuting Chabloz and similar speech suppression activities, and you will have no part of it and will not support those organisations if they continue to do it. If necessary you could join with likeminded jewish people (there must be lots of them based upon your assertion that jewish people generally support freedom of speech) to form rival organisations representing jewish interests that explicitly and honestly renounce and disapprove of actions promoting censorship.

     

    I do this. In my own small way. Obviously I will not prove it. I am as scared of the thought police as you. My point really is that being Jewish does not save me from them, and I would appreciate being hated a bit less by my fellow opponents of the thought police, as the thought police is very far from a Jewish phenomenon.

    I've told my Rabbi off for political correctness and have done many other things. Some much more substantial. It just hurts a bit to be scapegoated for this nonsense given the real personal sacrifices I've made.

    Imagine you work quite hard to fix something and then you get clobbered on the internet by people who accuse you of making the problem you have worked so hard to obviate. It isn't fun.

    As for forming a rival Jewish organisation. I get it, but it isn't exactly key to my life and I prefer to work within standard British organisations. It tends to be more effective! Anyway, we'll see what I do this year!

    Can’t undo the Jew, remember that.

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  • ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    The international right could use Jewish brainpower, Jewish verbal skills, Jewish influence. Even if you believe in Jews are a monolithic leftist faction, it would still be good to divide or peel off some members of that faction.
     
    Completely unnecessary. Jewish brainpower is dwarfed by white brainpower. Do the math with population numbers and mean IQ.

    Brainpower is not the issue with whites.

    Also, if, as I suspect is happening, Jews are on the verge of entering a decadent phase, than Jewish brainpower will decline, as it's as much a question of motivation as ability.

    “Do the math”. Well you show me yours.

    Years ago when the assumptions I made were Ashkenazi Jewish avg IQ 115 (sd 15) and American Jewish population share nearly 3 per cent I noted that about 50 per cent of positions like major newspaper editors and successful Hollywood directors – and Wall Street bankers and lawyers – were Jewish it fitted well with the suppositiin that an IQ of 145 was about right for that level of attainment because there would be proportionately 17 times as many 2sd people compared to 3sd. So… 17 times 3 per cent gives you 50 per cent. Mind you, i noted not long after in Jim Collins “Built to Last” and “Great to Good”, his well researched books on what it took to build great businesses that Jews weren’t espevially prominent. Still, I think you might have trouble disproving the importance of Jewish intellect to America unless the East Asians have already dilled any gap.

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    At IQ 130 and above, top 2%, whites out number Jews 8 to 1 in America (not including Asians , which make the Jewish share of high IQ America even smaller).

    Jews have a mean IQ of 109, not 115. See Ron Unz.

    The mean IQ for CEOs is 115 - at this level, whites outnumber Jews even more. Most positions in journalism, business, hollywood, where Jews most predominate, require only moderately high IQs.

    Are you seriously suggesting David Brooks and Harvey Weinstein have IQs of 145 and above ? Lol.

    What is noticeable, is that since Jews have captured most intellectual fields in this country, standards have declined. Harvard is known for grade inflation and no longer producing educated students, Hollywood, that Jewish bastion, is known for producing shlock, and the NYT has masthead writers of the caliber of David Brooks.

    Obviously, Jews have captured these fields using collectivist and nepotism tactics, but simply cannot produce enough talent to maintain consistently high standards.

    The Jewish ascendancy dates from ww2 - do you find it odd that this coincides with a decline in standard across the board, and a general national decline under Jewish stewardship?

    Jews desperately wanted to rule, but simply don't have enough talent, so they lower standards. They have lost the Mandate of Heaven.

    In technology, Jewish contributions are Facebook and Uber, which require little engineering ability and are mostly about advertising or breaking existing laws to redirect existing business to your model (uber), while white gentiles like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos seem to have cornered the heavy engineering and organization fields.

    People are noticing
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam J.
    I donlt believe you're not a Jew, as another Jewish trait is to lie and pretend they are something they are not and this quote,

    "...I havs every right to ask of an American who claims to have certain knowledge..., is about the most Jewy quote I've ever seen. Only a Jew would demand some right to was others time. But I'll give you a hint because I'm so nice and such a great person, as Whites usually are. Whether you are or not demanding things from others as a ruse...we'll see. Search for these four words,

    jewish influence 1965 immigration

    and here's one link.

    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/Immigration.pdf

    Well that wasn’t so difficult was it, once you had got the silly stuff out of the way? As I have corresponded on and off with Kevin Macdonald via an egroup for over 20 years I thank you for at last putting me on to something prima facie substantial.

    Your absurd ascription of “Jewiness” to the words of mine you quote invite a derogatory response about the clarity and/or honesty of your intellect. After all you had already said in effect “don’t bother me if you are so wantonly ignorant: look it up for yourself” and I was clearly giving reason for saying your objection was misconceived. But, in reality, it is your manners, your lack of civility and courtesy, that most clearly marks you as one of the whites whom traditionsl white ladies and gentlemen will happily see disappear.

    The mention by Macdonald of the very early push to limit Jewish entry into elite schools reminds that a young relation of mine was recently sitting for a vsluable entrance scholardhip exam to a top academic private school. His father noted ruefully that the majority of the large number sitting appeared to be East Asians who had been tutored and coached for three years (no doubt an exaggeration but my young relative’s coaching had certainly been much less). I note one big difference compared to 1900 Jews. They are rarely from other than very small families. I like to point out to people who ignore numbers that in 1913 there were 2 million Germans born and 5 million Russians. Who cares about a few million killed or starved if you want to be able to stage a decent war in 1939? Same with the Japanese before 1941. I’m not making a particular point here to ram down your throat. But I do suggest keeping an eye on the numbers, including too longevity and marrying out. It wouldn’t do any harm to show an interest in inheritance taxes and tax havens too, not to mention the Ivies entry quotas (de facto or actual).

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    "...silly stuff out of the way?..."

    Silly stuff?

    "... As I have corresponded on and off with Kevin Macdonald via an egroup for over 20 years I thank you for at last putting me on to something prima facie substantial..."

    You're telling me you've read Kevin Macdonald's stuff for 20 years and don't know anything about Jewish influence on immigration? I find that extremely hard to believe. So if he never ever talked about immigration what did he talk about for 20 years with you?

    "...Your absurd ascription of “Jewiness” to the words of mine you quote invite a derogatory response..."

    It would appear to me, and I bet plenty of others, that my characterization of "Jewishness" that corresponds with attempting to give "task" to people to complete, even if it is readily apparent what the answer is and widely known, is not altogether completely unlikely in this case.

    "... But, in reality, it is your manners, your lack of civility and courtesy, that most clearly marks you as one of the whites whom traditionsl white ladies and gentlemen will happily see disappear..."

    Imagine that. Jewish people, the very definition of rude, inconsiderate, pushy, non-feeling people, somehow having the obnoxious entitlement to complain about others manners. White people don't need to give courtesy to Jews. They get none from them therefore Jews deserve none back. Jews have no business demanding courtesy for anyone. They refuse to act as honorable people. This completely callous behavior, demanding courtesy while giving none, is just another reason that Jews should be deported from the USA. We should get rid f them so we can have a courteous society. They undermine courtesy by making every interaction with them an unpleasant contest.
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  • @Anonymous
    According to Ron Unz's study of college admissions, that 'slide into decadence' has been going on for over a generation already.

    Right. The decline in Jewish intellect is already taking place, as Ron Unz documented. It’s an inevitable process – all elites decay. They rest on their laurels and get lazy. They’re not willing to make the effort anymore, and intelligence is fifty percent effort.

    I am also noticing a decline in Jewish tactical flexibility – the same old tactics are being used without recognition that the situation has changed.

    This is another inevitable way elites decay – they stick with the tactics that brought them to power even if they no longer make sense. Can you blame them?

    Power eventually makes stupid.

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  • @Colleen Pater
    Your position is simple and clean on paper but hitler found in practice it was quite difficult to administer.At this point the only pure jews are the hasid and orthodox which are the least troublesome sticking to their own mostly and fairly conservative even. The problem jews are practically all mischlings at least by this point.So youre talking about deporting half our elites married to the other half of our elites. Now of course this would be great fun and worth it just for the schadenfreude. But there's not much of a record of revolutions of that level ever succeeding without elites co signing. It nice to imagine our own elites waking up and getting hard core racist but its really unlikely and more so if the object looks like them and talks like them and is married to their sister etc.

    The other problem is while Im sure we could get along without them, they have in fact contributed quite a lot with those high IQs, about 50% of our cog elites are jews it sucks but its true. Its also true east asians have a cog edge that we are in an existential war for universe hegemony. and jews could help with that- yes yes if they were not traitorous bastards and if it wasn't completely unacceptable to have an overclass of other ruling whites. But what if we finished the job that ivy league romances started and fuck the jew right out of them. im fully cognizant even 1/8 jews continue to act like they are full jews but its also true their otherness does weaken problem is today we allow the flight from white to be rewarded if it were punished mischlings might begin to try to lose their otherness and we would keep the high IQ genes absorbed into our own high cogs. You might say it sound hard, not nearly as hard as deporting all the jews and deciding who's a jews. the condition that would lead to deportation being possible would much more easily lead to assimilation laws.

    Whichever course you need to start the same. you need to convince the elites their multiculturalism is an existential threat to them not just prole whites, because the extinction of prole whites seems like a feature not a bug to elites.One way to do this is to use the jews natural paranoia. push the anti jew muslims movement and the anti israeli movement and morph the white privilege into the jew privilege point out that when jews are subtracted from whites its jews not whites who are privileged. basically get jews to turn on leftism force them to choose white nationalism with a carrot and a stick cut them a deal in return for working against multiculturalism they get white status.This will normalize it for white elites to join too. Now you're in a situation where elites have signed on to the basic premise that western nations belong to western people which include the jews who have been living and contributing to the west for a thousand years or more.

    But heres the thing you have now established western nations cant afford this philosophy of universalism and have the right to be as particularist as possible france for the french, catalon for the catalonians, USA and australia for whites. from this place where jews have now lost their proxy armies of muds and white elites have returned to sanity you can now do as you want and take it the next step and ask the jews to leave or explain that the JQ was in large part responsible for the problem we just escaped and must be addressed jews must assimilate or leave. therefore certain positions will not be open to say jews of more than 1/8 others jews of 1/4 this will encourage many jews to leave but many will decide they were going to marry a goy anyway so why not move their child up in status, few elite jews are religious anymore and frankly we ought to get rid of all cuck religions so we could outlaw christianity and judaism eventually.

    point is whichever way you want to go youre probably best off first flipping the script on the jews and using the minorities and politics they imported against them to enlist them in anti multiculturalism. then youre in a better position for whatever you want to do with jews. the big question is just how much anti jew propaganda and what type you want to use for this tactic, if its to nazish you risk them digging in rather than flipping, but if you use the left to do the dirty work like they do then the jews run to you for protection and youre like but but white privilege.

    “…Your position is simple and clean on paper but hitler found in practice it was quite difficult to administer…”

    We’ll just have to suffer. I doubt it will be as difficult as you say we have genetic testing and computers now. You could make a piece of paper encoded with the right proteins and one lick would tell you, Jew or not.

    “…The problem jews are practically all mischlings at least by this point.So youre talking about deporting half our elites married to the other half of our elites….”

    The elites are driving the country into a ditch. That’s feature not a deficit. I’m also not convinced this is true.

    “…Its also true east asians have a cog edge that we are in an existential war for universe hegemony…”

    Not me. I’m against Empire. It would difficult to defeat us in any manner if we spent the same proportion on the military and “civil defense” and ditched the Empire that does most of us no good. We don’t need lots of overseas bases. The technology has changed. I suggest you read,”Dennis M. Bushnell, Future Strategic Issues/Future Warfare [Circa 2025] ” he goes over the trends of technology coming up and how they may play out. His report is not some wild eyed fanaticism it’s based on reasonable trends. Link.

    https://archive.org/details/FutureStrategicIssuesFutureWarfareCirca2025

    “…they have in fact contributed quite a lot with those high IQs, about 50% of our cog elites are jews…”

    Evil geniuses are not something you want in your country. It’s NOT an asset. Lots of the people who are elite Jews in the US are there because of nepotism. We would be much better off with our own on charge. (Look at Trumps son in law. You think he should be in charge of all he is????). There’s plenty more smart people that are Whites than Jews. They are being discriminated against and kept out of power. Let me clue you in any attempt to tell me that we “can’t do without the Jews” for their intelligence or what they’ve, supposedly, done for us will just lead me to have contempt for you and your ideas as being foolish. I don’t remember the actual numbers on Jews vs. Whites in all these categories but I have read them and we don’t need them, at all. It’s not even remotely an issue.

    “…One way to do this is to use the jews natural paranoia. push the anti jew muslims movement and the anti israeli movement and morph the white privilege into the jew privilege point out that when jews are subtracted from whites its jews not whites who are privileged…”

    YES. Very good. I’m not negative all the time. I lately have been posting that we will lose the race for whites being the majority population. Ok. So now we combine with the immigrants and throw the Jews out. Get rid of the Jews. They don’t care about the Jews or the Holohaox or Hitler(they like Hitler) and so we should get together with them on this issue and get rid of the Jews. That would solve an enormous amount of our problems with the immigrants right there. I can live with immigrants if the Jewish blare horn media is not attacking Whites day in and day out proclaiming us all evil. I can work something out with the Mexicans, the Chinese, the Muslims, etc. I’ve been around all these people. We can make something work but I can’t work with a people, Jews, who want to destroy me. The history is clear. The Jews want to dominate everyone they are around and the more power they get the more vicious and murderous they become. It’s them…not us. They have severe mental issues. They don’t seem to be able to control themselves even when it hurts them and everyone around them. The act like a tribe of psychopaths as a group. I can not stress this enough and you can not live with psychopaths. They are just intolerable.

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    Look Im not at all squeamish about the JQ, so Im not sparing anyone out of pity. But there are issues that your position glosses over I think for the sake of an easy psychological solution, but in practice will make what you want impossible. I am against ideas that cant actually have a likelihood of being implemented or succeed if there were. this is because i actually understand we are in a very short term existential crisis that only trump averted- no not that hes all that just that his election shifted the overton just slightly and disrupted the deep state just enough that we crossed back over the event horizon.

    Look I agree that whites alone would likely remain hegemony, though we have not the edge in cognition we seem to have an edge in how we apply cognition, But that also seems to be tied into our achilles heel of openness and trust. While jews certainly have been up to all the bad things we accuse them of they are such a tiny population they cant really rule the world without us, the chinese though not as smart are smart enough that with their huge population their gifted fraction could well do us in. Long term Im more worried about east asia. But I think if we would stop training and giving them our tech and business we could could keep our lead. yes jews are one way we could fight the slants, yes i get why that seems crazy, more in a sec.

    I too am against empire as we have been playing that game, and I certainly think strategically the political position of whites just wanting a home of their own like every other people is a good meme a great meme, its simple and hits all the ape buttons like fairness. That said we are at a singularity point it may be digital or genetic or just technical but the point is we are very close to a point where the next great technological leap will put the developers into absolute power forever, again absolute forever. what you do with that power is up to you, currently white cucks would probably share it, and no other people would do that, all other people would do with it what any other life form would do use it for their specific genomes advancement. this means if we don't develop it we are dead and if we do before we get some sense we are dead. Currently the way this goes is western universities develop breakthrough tech then china runs with it.The other issue about Empire is while i don't want to be the mideast cop for jews and oil corps, or the social worker in africa, the reality is if we don't militarily maintain a position in places others will and we will lose access to natural resources like rare earth uranium etc, we are blessed with an excellent continental defence surrounded by oceans backed up with mountains deserts and polar regions and containing almost everything we need, just not everything. also armies that dont fight forget how to fight so as stupid as our wars are they at least keep us actually fighting i sometimes wonder if we go along with the jews wars for that purpose.

    Yeah blacks would not be the type of problem they are if not for jews, itd be like jim crow huh? except how did that work out? The fact is we cant afford to be supporting half our population because they are too stupid and violent etc to support themselves, we need all our resources to defeat the chinese.

    so you want to give everyone a dna test and ship what everyone who at all jewish out. 100% AKZ jews are 50% italian as it is. Here's the problem hitler ran into.its really hard to ship that many people without humanitarian catastrophe which sets the world against you.He also found no one would take them, lets assume israel would and the arabs don't start WW3 when they start arriving, which is a possibility because the arabs will know the western jew intelligentsia all moving to Israel is the end for them. But israel might not take them 2% of us pop claims jewish ness, by your dna test its going to be closer to the high estimate of 3% or ten million jews. That more than double Israels entire population. see the problem. ( and we haven't even considered europe NZ AU CA etc, And what if China offered to take them in? The way you think blacks wouldnt be a problem without the jews, well the Chinese might think the jews would not be a problem without democracy and cucked white genetics. Chinese might say we could use the jews cognitive abilities but in our system and culture they would never be able to cause the problems they do , they dont look like us so cant be crypto we dont allow full citizenship to non Han chinese we wouldnt allow intermarriage and we are not cucked and we dot have democracy and rule of law that they could PWN.
    The next problem hitler had was a lot of jews are married to non jews.Ans while it might be easy for you to say fuck em thats what they get. They are white and citizens and will object which brings up the question of legality do you plan to gradually pass laws to make this legal or just sic the trailer trash on the jews extra judicially? remember you dont want the whites rising up in defense of the jews again. So these
    bagel sharks are going to sue you and not just them they have families white families, like the wealthier more educated variety of white family and they and their friends are all going to object and scream what about the children.the next problem hitler had was some of these people quite a lot more than you seem to want to admit are needed.or their family members are needed. Hitler knowingly had something like 600 high ranking jewish military officers. LOL but true. Trust me its going to be more than 600. what do you do about the good jews, you know the ones who actually get it they agree with the JQ they work against jews and they work for whites. Theres names we could bandy about the owner of this place UNZ for one is not exactly a white nationalist even a conservative but you got to give him credit he obviously thinks we have a point worth considering and a platform worth financing and defending. imagine the suffering forcing him out will cause him, now arguing over what famous jews are good or not is dumb but lets specify they exist and theres a lot more not famous ones as well. Sure sure i get its easiest to just say oh well but its only easiest when youre larping when you actually get to stuffing them on cargo planes its going to get messy. No of course Im suspicious of jared and Ivanka but so far nothing too bad but what about stephan miller. Hes def a WN but no hes not going to help us stuff jews into planes everyone has a limit. and this is something you have to understand a certain amount of jew solidarity is within the range a white would have and its crazy to expect them to go beyond that.
    Now you mention elites generally and how youre fine with getting rid of them all. Im sympathetic. but you need to think a bit harder. while i disagree with mecious moldberg that the proles are the problem, getting rid of our elites is like suicide a permanent solution to a temporary problem. elites are elite because cognition, you dont cut your brain out and expect to live. They have been brainwashed and need to be reprogrammed, guess what so have a lot of jews, yes at a certain point a brainwashed elite gentile or jew becomes part of the leadership doing the brainwashing even then have you ever listened to them theyre like 145 IQ and are total fucking idiots, they actually believe what they are thinking this means even most of the leadership of the left is for all intents and purposes completely brainwashed as much as the average progressive. Its really kind of hard to say who needs to be shot for treason and who needs to be sent for mental health help. One things for sure we have learned is simply changing whats socially acceptable whats socially rewardable what will raise your status can very quickly change hearts and minds.

    Bottom line is i dont think you can get enough whites to go along with your plan and if you could you would run into so many problems you would fail.If i thought it would work I would be ok with it.I think our situation is so critical we cant afford to larp with bullshit ideas like the fourth reich or neoreactionary patchworks we need something that in a few years can be adapted by average americans finally awake to the morbidity of leftism. exposing the JQ is a huge part of that because it explains what seems unexplainable. But i think jews have been affected by leftism as the rest of us. meaning they have dropped their religiosity they marry out they identify much much less as jews tha previously. I just think if we made it really a low status costly thing to be non white you could accelerate their assimilation and obliterate their separate identity in a couple generations say 35 years, if at the same time leftism was obliterated, and other non whites were deported they couldn't use non whites or leftism anymore. Other non whites can be deported easier because all the browns are essentially here on illegally or quasi legal amnesty's that were never adhered to and they actually have huge continent sized nations a foot away from our border. the blacks well I say we start to pay africa to take blacks convicted of crimes we just banish them after deporting all the immigrant blacks of course which is half of them. and we cut off welfare and pay for sterilization attrition blacks
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  • @Anonymous
    That seems to be a lot of words for what amounts to an admission that you can't give a coherent substantial answer to a question I havs every right to ask of an American who claims to have certain knowledge. After all I am neither Jewish nor American. The issue could be important to any country and I expect an American who cares about it to be able and willing to say what are the good sources for his ideas. I can use a search engine but I asked for the sources *you* ate willing to credit. So, please, if you haven't just picked up a family prejudice, would you answer me now as I requested.

    I donlt believe you’re not a Jew, as another Jewish trait is to lie and pretend they are something they are not and this quote,

    “…I havs every right to ask of an American who claims to have certain knowledge…, is about the most Jewy quote I’ve ever seen. Only a Jew would demand some right to was others time. But I’ll give you a hint because I’m so nice and such a great person, as Whites usually are. Whether you are or not demanding things from others as a ruse…we’ll see. Search for these four words,

    jewish influence 1965 immigration

    and here’s one link.

    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/Immigration.pdf

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    Well that wasn't so difficult was it, once you had got the silly stuff out of the way? As I have corresponded on and off with Kevin Macdonald via an egroup for over 20 years I thank you for at last putting me on to something prima facie substantial.

    Your absurd ascription of "Jewiness" to the words of mine you quote invite a derogatory response about the clarity and/or honesty of your intellect. After all you had already said in effect "don't bother me if you are so wantonly ignorant: look it up for yourself" and I was clearly giving reason for saying your objection was misconceived. But, in reality, it is your manners, your lack of civility and courtesy, that most clearly marks you as one of the whites whom traditionsl white ladies and gentlemen will happily see disappear.

    The mention by Macdonald of the very early push to limit Jewish entry into elite schools reminds that a young relation of mine was recently sitting for a vsluable entrance scholardhip exam to a top academic private school. His father noted ruefully that the majority of the large number sitting appeared to be East Asians who had been tutored and coached for three years (no doubt an exaggeration but my young relative's coaching had certainly been much less). I note one big difference compared to 1900 Jews. They are rarely from other than very small families. I like to point out to people who ignore numbers that in 1913 there were 2 million Germans born and 5 million Russians. Who cares about a few million killed or starved if you want to be able to stage a decent war in 1939? Same with the Japanese before 1941. I'm not making a particular point here to ram down your throat. But I do suggest keeping an eye on the numbers, including too longevity and marrying out. It wouldn't do any harm to show an interest in inheritance taxes and tax havens too, not to mention the Ivies entry quotas (de facto or actual).

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam J.
    "...And for a start can you please refer me to some good accounts of how the critical 1965 legislation came zbout both before and after it entered the legislative process? Which Senators? Which Congressmen? Which lobbies? Which opinion leaders?..."

    Sure I'll be glad to help you. There's this thing called a search engine. A good one is

    https://duckduckgo.com/

    Now of course the Jew will complain that I'm not being specific enough but this is just another tactic. This tactic is first to give "task" to whoever they're arguing with to sidetrack them from the basic argument. Once you give them answers to the "task" that they're trying to derail you with then they will argue continuously about the facts of the "task". Of course I will not waste my time as it's common knowledge that the Jews were the lynch-pin on flooding the country with aliens. Anyone serious already knows this. If you really don't know this then it's up to the you to get up to speed on very basic information. I'm not going to teach you how to drive a car or read the weather or wipe your hiney on the internet.

    This continuous attempt to dishonestly interact with people constantly. A form of lying and distortion of the truth and a willful destruction of the truth is another reason we should get rid of the Jews. They can not be truthful ever. They can not control themselves with this deviant behavior that causes distrust online and fills the forums with disinformation. They must go.

    That seems to be a lot of words for what amounts to an admission that you can’t give a coherent substantial answer to a question I havs every right to ask of an American who claims to have certain knowledge. After all I am neither Jewish nor American. The issue could be important to any country and I expect an American who cares about it to be able and willing to say what are the good sources for his ideas. I can use a search engine but I asked for the sources *you* ate willing to credit. So, please, if you haven’t just picked up a family prejudice, would you answer me now as I requested.

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    I donlt believe you're not a Jew, as another Jewish trait is to lie and pretend they are something they are not and this quote,

    "...I havs every right to ask of an American who claims to have certain knowledge..., is about the most Jewy quote I've ever seen. Only a Jew would demand some right to was others time. But I'll give you a hint because I'm so nice and such a great person, as Whites usually are. Whether you are or not demanding things from others as a ruse...we'll see. Search for these four words,

    jewish influence 1965 immigration

    and here's one link.

    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/Immigration.pdf

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  • @Anonymous
    You claim to be so certain about some important matters so i suppose it is fair to ask you for sources snd evidence that might support your views. I am not sure how far you apportion blame between Jewish support for the 1965 legislation and Jews sctually making the subsequent legal (and illegal?) Immigration happen. Perhaps you would be good enough to explain.

    And for a start can you please refer me to some good accounts of how the critical 1965 legislation came zbout both before and after it entered the legislative process? Which Senators? Which Congressmen? Which lobbies? Which opinion leaders?

    Then please the possibly less defined parts played in getting immigration to happen???

    I assume you would have trouble asctibing much Muslim immigration to Jews or the cheap Latino labor for the farms??? Then you might care to assess the weight I should give to what a Texan Catholic surgeon said to me nearly 30 years ago in favour of Latino immigration, namely good family values and an offset to the blscks. I don't think he got those views from Jewish sources; do you?

    “…And for a start can you please refer me to some good accounts of how the critical 1965 legislation came zbout both before and after it entered the legislative process? Which Senators? Which Congressmen? Which lobbies? Which opinion leaders?…”

    Sure I’ll be glad to help you. There’s this thing called a search engine. A good one is

    https://duckduckgo.com/

    Now of course the Jew will complain that I’m not being specific enough but this is just another tactic. This tactic is first to give “task” to whoever they’re arguing with to sidetrack them from the basic argument. Once you give them answers to the “task” that they’re trying to derail you with then they will argue continuously about the facts of the “task”. Of course I will not waste my time as it’s common knowledge that the Jews were the lynch-pin on flooding the country with aliens. Anyone serious already knows this. If you really don’t know this then it’s up to the you to get up to speed on very basic information. I’m not going to teach you how to drive a car or read the weather or wipe your hiney on the internet.

    This continuous attempt to dishonestly interact with people constantly. A form of lying and distortion of the truth and a willful destruction of the truth is another reason we should get rid of the Jews. They can not be truthful ever. They can not control themselves with this deviant behavior that causes distrust online and fills the forums with disinformation. They must go.

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    That seems to be a lot of words for what amounts to an admission that you can't give a coherent substantial answer to a question I havs every right to ask of an American who claims to have certain knowledge. After all I am neither Jewish nor American. The issue could be important to any country and I expect an American who cares about it to be able and willing to say what are the good sources for his ideas. I can use a search engine but I asked for the sources *you* ate willing to credit. So, please, if you haven't just picked up a family prejudice, would you answer me now as I requested.
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  • @Anonymous
    You claim to be so certain about some important matters so i suppose it is fair to ask you for sources snd evidence that might support your views. I am not sure how far you apportion blame between Jewish support for the 1965 legislation and Jews sctually making the subsequent legal (and illegal?) Immigration happen. Perhaps you would be good enough to explain.

    And for a start can you please refer me to some good accounts of how the critical 1965 legislation came zbout both before and after it entered the legislative process? Which Senators? Which Congressmen? Which lobbies? Which opinion leaders?

    Then please the possibly less defined parts played in getting immigration to happen???

    I assume you would have trouble asctibing much Muslim immigration to Jews or the cheap Latino labor for the farms??? Then you might care to assess the weight I should give to what a Texan Catholic surgeon said to me nearly 30 years ago in favour of Latino immigration, namely good family values and an offset to the blscks. I don't think he got those views from Jewish sources; do you?

    Are you an AI-bot or not?

    If not, can you prove it?

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam J.
    "...I am less clear about Jewish responsibility for Amrrica’s misbegotten immigration policy from the early 60s, or its motives..."

    Sigh...another attempt to pretend that the Jews...well they don;t know...they weren't really doing it to be mean...it was an accident, blah, blah, blah. Well I know. The Jew spent decades and lots of money to dilute Americans so that they could destroy the country. They did so out of hatred. They always hate everyone everywhere they go and attempt to destroy any country they live in. This is another reason we should get rid them. It's the only solution to their lies and destructive behavior. Make sure they have no say in your society at all. If we do not do so we will be destroyed and likely they will also.

    You claim to be so certain about some important matters so i suppose it is fair to ask you for sources snd evidence that might support your views. I am not sure how far you apportion blame between Jewish support for the 1965 legislation and Jews sctually making the subsequent legal (and illegal?) Immigration happen. Perhaps you would be good enough to explain.

    And for a start can you please refer me to some good accounts of how the critical 1965 legislation came zbout both before and after it entered the legislative process? Which Senators? Which Congressmen? Which lobbies? Which opinion leaders?

    Then please the possibly less defined parts played in getting immigration to happen???

    I assume you would have trouble asctibing much Muslim immigration to Jews or the cheap Latino labor for the farms??? Then you might care to assess the weight I should give to what a Texan Catholic surgeon said to me nearly 30 years ago in favour of Latino immigration, namely good family values and an offset to the blscks. I don’t think he got those views from Jewish sources; do you?

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    Are you an AI-bot or not?

    If not, can you prove it?

    , @Sam J.
    "...And for a start can you please refer me to some good accounts of how the critical 1965 legislation came zbout both before and after it entered the legislative process? Which Senators? Which Congressmen? Which lobbies? Which opinion leaders?..."

    Sure I'll be glad to help you. There's this thing called a search engine. A good one is

    https://duckduckgo.com/

    Now of course the Jew will complain that I'm not being specific enough but this is just another tactic. This tactic is first to give "task" to whoever they're arguing with to sidetrack them from the basic argument. Once you give them answers to the "task" that they're trying to derail you with then they will argue continuously about the facts of the "task". Of course I will not waste my time as it's common knowledge that the Jews were the lynch-pin on flooding the country with aliens. Anyone serious already knows this. If you really don't know this then it's up to the you to get up to speed on very basic information. I'm not going to teach you how to drive a car or read the weather or wipe your hiney on the internet.

    This continuous attempt to dishonestly interact with people constantly. A form of lying and distortion of the truth and a willful destruction of the truth is another reason we should get rid of the Jews. They can not be truthful ever. They can not control themselves with this deviant behavior that causes distrust online and fills the forums with disinformation. They must go.

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  • @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Honey you are so sincere and cute, The tears went all the way to my cheeks. Now I do have to admit that I am a dirty liar. Actually I never did heard anything about Taras Bulba. I did invent the all story for amusement.

    Such kindness to be found here at this discussion.

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  • @yurivku

    Yes, of course Taras Bulba was written by Gogol (in Russian). However, he was a Ukrainian,
     
    These funny ukraninas wet and sweet dreams! Gogol didn't write a single string of text on ukranian. Of course he's great Russian writer who was born in Malorossia which now called as Ukraine.

    I’m a Uke but have nothing against Russians.
     
    Funny, I just consider "Uks" as bastards, betrayers, who sold their past for nothing and will get nothing in the future.
    They have nothing of theirs, Uk's - no literature, no science, no music - nothing. Even Shevchenko had written all his prose in Russian. And except him you have nobody and it's the reason to pretend Gogol was Uk, and Black Sea wad digged by Uk and all that funny stuff they now pour out to the world. And the same time more than 80% of them speak Russian including some of their goverment which is hardly strugling with Russian language. The theater of the absurd.

    They exchanged their great common history to sweet smell going out from American ass. No problem, go on. We'll just look.

    PS: I usually not speak to "Uks" and won't continue this thread neither.

    Thank you so much for your gracious response.

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  • @Sam J.
    "... dopey amateur’s blundering around waving a few scientific factoids you make elementary errors like referring to the melting of steel when weakening is all that was required. .."

    HAHAHAHa

    You're either a buffoon, a liar or both. You don't understand gravity. What a putz. What an illiterate. I suppose, since you don't understand gravity, that you think you can fly! Listen.. This is not your dream. You can't fly.

    I guess i will have to explain it to you veerrryyy simply. Very slowly. Gravity is a force that acts on ALL objects exactly the same. Exactly the same. You know Galileo and all that. Newton, basic stuff. There are only "two" variables that concern us on the behavior of something falling n a gravity field. The gravity field and the resistance to falling by the media, this means air, water, molasses, whatever, the object is falling in. Now we, in this case, are talking about air. So building 7 fell the same speed as a rock dropped, in air, for roughly 108 feet on 9-11. Now we KNOW that the gravity field is the same. We know the building fell the same as a rock in air and the building was in the same air. So if the building fell the same as the rock what held up the building? Remember only two variables and so if the rock fell and was held up by air and the building fell the same what was the build held up by...AIR. That's right the building was only held up by air. Well we all know the damn build wasn't floating in the air. We also know that the buildings columns were made of steel with concrete reinforcement at various places and was NOT boiled away by the tiny fire so that the steel columns had the exact same density as air, remember the build fell the same speed as if it were only held up by air, this means the builds support MUST have been demoed in some way. The building had NO support but air when it fell.

    All you've proven by attacking me about building 7 is you are either a dumb ass or a liar. Both are reasons that we should get rid of the Jews. I'm weary of the constant lies and distortions of the Jews. We must find a way to get rid of them so we can have some peace and quite away for these maniac psychopaths.

    I remembered this quote. I'm going to start using it a lot.

    Joseph Goebbels:
    On the "Big Lie"

    "“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it..."

    Oooops. Unfortunately they always leave out the best part of what Goebbels said. He's the rest of the quote,

    "...The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    Looks like your lies are breaking down as the State is NOT able to..."shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie."

    You can add that all buildings did have asbestos insulation, Potential lawsuits due lung cancer did play major factor in Silverstain agreeing with demolition, There were some reports that Silverstain did increase insurance coverage before the event.

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  • @renfro
    Ironically Germany did rebuild itself into the economically strongest nation in Europe..quite a feat for a population whose infrastructure was almost totally destroyed.

    “Ironically Germany did rebuild itself into the economically strongest nation in Europe..quite a feat for a population whose infrastructure was almost totally destroyed.”

    Postwar Germany is nothing short of miraculous. Germans deserve high praise. Rebuilt from utter ruin. Physical, industrial, economic, political, cultural, etc. All the more remarkable after suffering criminally incompetent WW1 and WW2 leadership.

    Jean Edward Smith: ‘Lucius D. Clay: An American Life’ is an interesting account.

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  • @Wally
    Please show us the actual German original of this alleged "order" to Speer.
    Or did someone just fake it up .... as usual?

    U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum displays standard German air-raid shelter door, describing it as the door to a 'gas chamber' at Majdanek, at:
    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DT/gcturen.html
    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DT/gcturen_files/two-to-3.GIF
    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DT/gcturen_files/doorcasting.jpg
    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DT/gcturen_files/gsPANZERL.GIF

    www.codoh.com

    “Please show us the actual German original of this alleged “order” to Speer.”

    Hitler ordered the compulsory evacuation of the entire civilian population of threatened western areas, by foot if necessary, 18 Mar ’45 saying “We can no longer take regard of the population.” He issued the ‘Nerobefehl’ the following day:

    “All military transport, communications, industrial and supplies installations as well as material assets within Reich territory, which the enemy can render usable immediately or within the foreseeable future, are to be destroyed.”-Adolf Hitler, Führerbefehl 19 Mar 1945;

    Implementation was tasked to military command (transport and communications) and Gauleiters (industry, economic installations). Speer objected, eliciting Hitler’s:

    “If the war is lost, the nation will also perish. This fate is inevitable. There is no necessity to take into consideration the basis which the people will need to continue even a most primitive existence. On the contrary, it will be better to destroy these things ourselves, because this nation will have proved to be the weaker…”

    Hitler’s “resurrection of Germany” was a suicide pact.

    Sources: Speer in ‘Inside the Third Reich’. Ian Kershaw ‘The End’, Joachim Fest: ‘Speer’, most Nüremberg accounts (Gilbert, Galbraith, Taylor, Conot, Neave, etc: Speer’s defense hinged partly on his refusal to carry out the order). If memory serves, it’s also in Sereny: ‘Albert Speer: His Battle with Truth’ and most standard histories.

    “Or did someone just fake it up …. as usual?”

    You mean like “engineer” Fred Leuchter’s professional degree and license? Good question Wally. Why not ask Dolf at your next séance (hope his headache is better)?

    “…standard German air-raid shelter door, describing it as the door to a ‘gas chamber’ at Majdanek”

    The smoking gun! Well done!

    Some may insist it was used because Heinie couldn’t find a gas-chamber door at the local Heimdepot. False, false! Don’t you believe it! As we all know, gas-chamber doors are as common as – well, bricks and kitchen cabinets. Why, just last week Lowes had a sale on DeLuxe Jumbos with peep-holes and auto closers in genuine simulated oak-grain. Thought about upgrading, but still have several good years in the old one. Besides, heart’s set on a Dutch door version in knotty pine. One thing’s for sure. When the time comes you won’t catch me making do with a plain old shelter door! No siree!

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  • @Cloak And Dagger
    Being an atheist, I have no faith in a hereafter with eternal damnation, and neither do the jews that feed him, so I would like him to get his lumps right here in the tangible world where he has wrought his mayhem.

    I’m not sure about what happens after death, but I’d like for McCain to take his lumps before and after death, if possible. An excruciating death followed by eternal sounds good to me.

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  • @Sam J.
    "...But i dont know at this point you guys can ever be trusted again..."

    Well I know. For thousands and thousands of years Jews have stabbed in the back every single person who has trusted them so the answer is, no they can't be trusted. Never, not even in the slightest.

    Your position is simple and clean on paper but hitler found in practice it was quite difficult to administer.At this point the only pure jews are the hasid and orthodox which are the least troublesome sticking to their own mostly and fairly conservative even. The problem jews are practically all mischlings at least by this point.So youre talking about deporting half our elites married to the other half of our elites. Now of course this would be great fun and worth it just for the schadenfreude. But there’s not much of a record of revolutions of that level ever succeeding without elites co signing. It nice to imagine our own elites waking up and getting hard core racist but its really unlikely and more so if the object looks like them and talks like them and is married to their sister etc.

    The other problem is while Im sure we could get along without them, they have in fact contributed quite a lot with those high IQs, about 50% of our cog elites are jews it sucks but its true. Its also true east asians have a cog edge that we are in an existential war for universe hegemony. and jews could help with that- yes yes if they were not traitorous bastards and if it wasn’t completely unacceptable to have an overclass of other ruling whites. But what if we finished the job that ivy league romances started and fuck the jew right out of them. im fully cognizant even 1/8 jews continue to act like they are full jews but its also true their otherness does weaken problem is today we allow the flight from white to be rewarded if it were punished mischlings might begin to try to lose their otherness and we would keep the high IQ genes absorbed into our own high cogs. You might say it sound hard, not nearly as hard as deporting all the jews and deciding who’s a jews. the condition that would lead to deportation being possible would much more easily lead to assimilation laws.

    Whichever course you need to start the same. you need to convince the elites their multiculturalism is an existential threat to them not just prole whites, because the extinction of prole whites seems like a feature not a bug to elites.One way to do this is to use the jews natural paranoia. push the anti jew muslims movement and the anti israeli movement and morph the white privilege into the jew privilege point out that when jews are subtracted from whites its jews not whites who are privileged. basically get jews to turn on leftism force them to choose white nationalism with a carrot and a stick cut them a deal in return for working against multiculturalism they get white status.This will normalize it for white elites to join too. Now you’re in a situation where elites have signed on to the basic premise that western nations belong to western people which include the jews who have been living and contributing to the west for a thousand years or more.

    But heres the thing you have now established western nations cant afford this philosophy of universalism and have the right to be as particularist as possible france for the french, catalon for the catalonians, USA and australia for whites. from this place where jews have now lost their proxy armies of muds and white elites have returned to sanity you can now do as you want and take it the next step and ask the jews to leave or explain that the JQ was in large part responsible for the problem we just escaped and must be addressed jews must assimilate or leave. therefore certain positions will not be open to say jews of more than 1/8 others jews of 1/4 this will encourage many jews to leave but many will decide they were going to marry a goy anyway so why not move their child up in status, few elite jews are religious anymore and frankly we ought to get rid of all cuck religions so we could outlaw christianity and judaism eventually.

    point is whichever way you want to go youre probably best off first flipping the script on the jews and using the minorities and politics they imported against them to enlist them in anti multiculturalism. then youre in a better position for whatever you want to do with jews. the big question is just how much anti jew propaganda and what type you want to use for this tactic, if its to nazish you risk them digging in rather than flipping, but if you use the left to do the dirty work like they do then the jews run to you for protection and youre like but but white privilege.

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    "...Your position is simple and clean on paper but hitler found in practice it was quite difficult to administer..."

    We'll just have to suffer. I doubt it will be as difficult as you say we have genetic testing and computers now. You could make a piece of paper encoded with the right proteins and one lick would tell you, Jew or not.

    "...The problem jews are practically all mischlings at least by this point.So youre talking about deporting half our elites married to the other half of our elites...."

    The elites are driving the country into a ditch. That's feature not a deficit. I'm also not convinced this is true.

    "...Its also true east asians have a cog edge that we are in an existential war for universe hegemony..."

    Not me. I'm against Empire. It would difficult to defeat us in any manner if we spent the same proportion on the military and "civil defense" and ditched the Empire that does most of us no good. We don't need lots of overseas bases. The technology has changed. I suggest you read,"Dennis M. Bushnell, Future Strategic Issues/Future Warfare [Circa 2025] " he goes over the trends of technology coming up and how they may play out. His report is not some wild eyed fanaticism it's based on reasonable trends. Link.

    https://archive.org/details/FutureStrategicIssuesFutureWarfareCirca2025

    "...they have in fact contributed quite a lot with those high IQs, about 50% of our cog elites are jews..."

    Evil geniuses are not something you want in your country. It's NOT an asset. Lots of the people who are elite Jews in the US are there because of nepotism. We would be much better off with our own on charge. (Look at Trumps son in law. You think he should be in charge of all he is????). There's plenty more smart people that are Whites than Jews. They are being discriminated against and kept out of power. Let me clue you in any attempt to tell me that we "can't do without the Jews" for their intelligence or what they've, supposedly, done for us will just lead me to have contempt for you and your ideas as being foolish. I don't remember the actual numbers on Jews vs. Whites in all these categories but I have read them and we don't need them, at all. It's not even remotely an issue.

    "...One way to do this is to use the jews natural paranoia. push the anti jew muslims movement and the anti israeli movement and morph the white privilege into the jew privilege point out that when jews are subtracted from whites its jews not whites who are privileged..."

    YES. Very good. I'm not negative all the time. I lately have been posting that we will lose the race for whites being the majority population. Ok. So now we combine with the immigrants and throw the Jews out. Get rid of the Jews. They don't care about the Jews or the Holohaox or Hitler(they like Hitler) and so we should get together with them on this issue and get rid of the Jews. That would solve an enormous amount of our problems with the immigrants right there. I can live with immigrants if the Jewish blare horn media is not attacking Whites day in and day out proclaiming us all evil. I can work something out with the Mexicans, the Chinese, the Muslims, etc. I've been around all these people. We can make something work but I can't work with a people, Jews, who want to destroy me. The history is clear. The Jews want to dominate everyone they are around and the more power they get the more vicious and murderous they become. It's them...not us. They have severe mental issues. They don't seem to be able to control themselves even when it hurts them and everyone around them. The act like a tribe of psychopaths as a group. I can not stress this enough and you can not live with psychopaths. They are just intolerable.
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  • @Sam J.
    "...I imagine that British Jews are more supportive of genuine free speech than the average Briton. That certainly is my experience..."

    HAHAHA the arrogance of these people. What buffoons.

    You know you don't have to like, agree or want to have anything to do with the Nazis to recognize they damn sure nailed the nature of the Jews. Look at this fine quote by

    Joseph Goebbels:
    On the "Big Lie"

    "“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it..."

    Unfortunately they always leave out the best part of what Goebbels said. He's the rest of the quote,

    "...The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    Looks like your lies are breaking down as the State is NOT able to..."shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie."

    The Jews are totally mentally defective. They keep lying even when everyone here knows they are. Even when it only serves to show how defective and untrustworthy they are. They have serious mental illness. This is just one reasons that we should get rid of the Jews. You can't live with these sort of mentally defective people running around free and I damn sure don't want to pay for them in camps or that high gas bill to burn them up. It would be cheaper to deport them.

    You’re barking at your own reflection.

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  • @Anonymous
    Hi there to a potential Jewish friend. Let me toss in some test questions to see if my sojourn on UR has perhaps coarsened me so I say something unknowingly offensive to my old Rabbi friend who shares with me the view that some Ashkenazi genes forming part of the bloodline one shares are a plus for some things one values (e.g. them being smart enough to share one's sense of humour even if that brilliant acting in the school play didn't quite tip the balance for a place at Oxford).

    Ordinarily I would expect him to laugh at the claim of a friend - another Anonymous - that someone said to him "You are so philo-Semitic you obviously don't know enough Jews" and expect him to guess that it was a Jew who said it to him. Actually he made it up himself as a typical remark of an urbane Jewish lawyer we both know. :-) ???

    UR has prompted a lot of reading which makes me think of 19th century Zionism, well before 1898 as a perfectly sensible inoffensive (inspiring to some) idea to improve the lot of both Jews and their also fast breeding neighbours in Russia, Ukraine and Poland by making good use of some pretty unproductive land in the Ottoman empire. Who's to mind some Rothschild money being used to buy up land from willing sellers and hardworking settlers then contributing to the local economy. Unfortunately, as for my experience of an extended hospital stay prompted by pain but nothing life threatening there doesn't seem to have been anyone in charge and a lot of bad as well as stupid counterproductive behaviour ensued on both/all sides. No dissent I take it.

    Then there seems to have been a critical period of growing Zionist ruthlessness at all levels as well as growing objection (possibly because of the crucial leadership of certain Muslum clerics) by the growing Arab population of Palestine. That ruthlessness certainly included the exploitation, even provoking, of anti-Semitism beyond any justification that flowed merely from conventional impolite upper class anti-Semitism which usually had no legal or economic effect if one doesn't count quotas - rarely formal - on entry to upper class institutions. (I am supposing Germany had not been very different from the English experience which I am reminded by a female friend that I met at an oldfashioned upper class coming out ball about the time they ended who said her Jewish grandfather had bought an estate in Ireland rather than Scotland because of anti-Semitic sentiment. Even in Polsnd of course the gentile's doctor or lawyer was very likely Jewish....) So.... I am willing to believe a lot of the effective Zionists were tough thugs who took advantage of all their chances to put an end to anti-Zionism amongst the many distinguished Jews who opposed it. (Including, as a matter of interest, Australia's first Governor-General who was actually Australian: Sir Isaac Isaacs**.

    Jews are like an indigenous upper or upper middle class in their nepotism and tribalism, but my impression is that Jewish tribalism/nepotism is a notch up from typical upper middle class behaviour for the fairly obvious reasons of hangover from historical discrimination and.... Israel. Some of my Jeeish friends are fiercely critical of Israel but a more typical mark of their loyslty is thst all their childten will spend time there.

    Just as most people have multiple identities (a pity some neglect most if them) divided loyalties is normal. Unfortunately, in the US, Jewish loyalty to Israel has led to the Israel lobby being one of the corrupting forces which together own just about every elected politicianin the US - especially in DC. Australia is an imperfect democracy where the money needed to get elected - especislly the union money on the left - tends to produce bad policy results, but the contrast with a country where vast sums have to be spent to win ptimaries and then again both get out thr vote and get the voters to vote for you is vast. I see about six major lobbies/sources of finance for elections; and on foreign policy, especially Middle East policy, the Israel lobby is absolutely in control at great expense to Americans as taxpayers and alternative beneficisries if expensive wars and subsidies to Israel were ended.

    I am less clear about Jewish responsibility for Amrrica's misbegotten immigration policy from the early 60s, or its motives. I wouldn't attribute much of the cheap lsbour motivation to Jews or Jewish influence but some of the Jewish support for multiculturalism would be down to a general desire to dilute the WASP influence in a perhaps unfocused way. Mind you it would be ridiculous not to notice that American Jewish fertility is almost as abysmal as that of those great Catholic countries in the Mediterranean. And marrying out is big!

    Over to you. Anything likely to be offensive to an old Jewish friend. Oh yes I think I would be willing to argue the affirmative in a debate "That Israel has succeeded South Aftica as would be civilised msintainer of an Apartheid state". I would also, BTW, try for an ingenious novel one state solution where Jews had adequate protection.

    **I read an essay by a Chilean recently who pointed out what lefties were trying to make people forget about Australian history 1. The only [first?] country to obtain independent nationhood without anyone killed; 2. The only [first?] country to achieve and maintain unity without anyone killed; 3. The first country to elect a Labour government and Prime Minister, 4. The only country to have never had slaves or slavery (he quotes the admirable words about that by the first Governor before setting out for Australia. Lord Mansfiekd had already said in Somerset's Case 1776 "The air of England is to pure for a slave to breathe" 5. The first (substantial?) country to appoint a Jew to command its armed forces - Sir John Monash in WW1 who, BTW, Lloyd George said in his memoirs he would have appointed to command all the British forces in 1919. 6. Isaacs as GG - who haf already been CJ.

    Both American “immigration reform” in 1965 and the misguided “civil-rights” movement was spearheaded by jews. Emanuel Celler (a jew) was instrumental in pushing through the 1965 immigration act which closed off Europe to legal immigration while redirecting immigration to the middle east and third-world countries. This was done on purpose to destroy the social fabric of the United States. 99% of the “civil-rights workers” and handlers were jews. Although “non-violence” was preached, violence committed by blacks and their handlers was rampant, but almost never reported. then, as now, the mainstream media had its own “agenda”. The hatred of ordinary whites was evident. In later years, these civil rights workers morphed into race hustlers, poverty p!mps, and civil-rights attorneys, and are still wreaking havoc to this very day.

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  • @Anonymous
    Hi there to a potential Jewish friend. Let me toss in some test questions to see if my sojourn on UR has perhaps coarsened me so I say something unknowingly offensive to my old Rabbi friend who shares with me the view that some Ashkenazi genes forming part of the bloodline one shares are a plus for some things one values (e.g. them being smart enough to share one's sense of humour even if that brilliant acting in the school play didn't quite tip the balance for a place at Oxford).

    Ordinarily I would expect him to laugh at the claim of a friend - another Anonymous - that someone said to him "You are so philo-Semitic you obviously don't know enough Jews" and expect him to guess that it was a Jew who said it to him. Actually he made it up himself as a typical remark of an urbane Jewish lawyer we both know. :-) ???

    UR has prompted a lot of reading which makes me think of 19th century Zionism, well before 1898 as a perfectly sensible inoffensive (inspiring to some) idea to improve the lot of both Jews and their also fast breeding neighbours in Russia, Ukraine and Poland by making good use of some pretty unproductive land in the Ottoman empire. Who's to mind some Rothschild money being used to buy up land from willing sellers and hardworking settlers then contributing to the local economy. Unfortunately, as for my experience of an extended hospital stay prompted by pain but nothing life threatening there doesn't seem to have been anyone in charge and a lot of bad as well as stupid counterproductive behaviour ensued on both/all sides. No dissent I take it.

    Then there seems to have been a critical period of growing Zionist ruthlessness at all levels as well as growing objection (possibly because of the crucial leadership of certain Muslum clerics) by the growing Arab population of Palestine. That ruthlessness certainly included the exploitation, even provoking, of anti-Semitism beyond any justification that flowed merely from conventional impolite upper class anti-Semitism which usually had no legal or economic effect if one doesn't count quotas - rarely formal - on entry to upper class institutions. (I am supposing Germany had not been very different from the English experience which I am reminded by a female friend that I met at an oldfashioned upper class coming out ball about the time they ended who said her Jewish grandfather had bought an estate in Ireland rather than Scotland because of anti-Semitic sentiment. Even in Polsnd of course the gentile's doctor or lawyer was very likely Jewish....) So.... I am willing to believe a lot of the effective Zionists were tough thugs who took advantage of all their chances to put an end to anti-Zionism amongst the many distinguished Jews who opposed it. (Including, as a matter of interest, Australia's first Governor-General who was actually Australian: Sir Isaac Isaacs**.

    Jews are like an indigenous upper or upper middle class in their nepotism and tribalism, but my impression is that Jewish tribalism/nepotism is a notch up from typical upper middle class behaviour for the fairly obvious reasons of hangover from historical discrimination and.... Israel. Some of my Jeeish friends are fiercely critical of Israel but a more typical mark of their loyslty is thst all their childten will spend time there.

    Just as most people have multiple identities (a pity some neglect most if them) divided loyalties is normal. Unfortunately, in the US, Jewish loyalty to Israel has led to the Israel lobby being one of the corrupting forces which together own just about every elected politicianin the US - especially in DC. Australia is an imperfect democracy where the money needed to get elected - especislly the union money on the left - tends to produce bad policy results, but the contrast with a country where vast sums have to be spent to win ptimaries and then again both get out thr vote and get the voters to vote for you is vast. I see about six major lobbies/sources of finance for elections; and on foreign policy, especially Middle East policy, the Israel lobby is absolutely in control at great expense to Americans as taxpayers and alternative beneficisries if expensive wars and subsidies to Israel were ended.

    I am less clear about Jewish responsibility for Amrrica's misbegotten immigration policy from the early 60s, or its motives. I wouldn't attribute much of the cheap lsbour motivation to Jews or Jewish influence but some of the Jewish support for multiculturalism would be down to a general desire to dilute the WASP influence in a perhaps unfocused way. Mind you it would be ridiculous not to notice that American Jewish fertility is almost as abysmal as that of those great Catholic countries in the Mediterranean. And marrying out is big!

    Over to you. Anything likely to be offensive to an old Jewish friend. Oh yes I think I would be willing to argue the affirmative in a debate "That Israel has succeeded South Aftica as would be civilised msintainer of an Apartheid state". I would also, BTW, try for an ingenious novel one state solution where Jews had adequate protection.

    **I read an essay by a Chilean recently who pointed out what lefties were trying to make people forget about Australian history 1. The only [first?] country to obtain independent nationhood without anyone killed; 2. The only [first?] country to achieve and maintain unity without anyone killed; 3. The first country to elect a Labour government and Prime Minister, 4. The only country to have never had slaves or slavery (he quotes the admirable words about that by the first Governor before setting out for Australia. Lord Mansfiekd had already said in Somerset's Case 1776 "The air of England is to pure for a slave to breathe" 5. The first (substantial?) country to appoint a Jew to command its armed forces - Sir John Monash in WW1 who, BTW, Lloyd George said in his memoirs he would have appointed to command all the British forces in 1919. 6. Isaacs as GG - who haf already been CJ.

    “…I am less clear about Jewish responsibility for Amrrica’s misbegotten immigration policy from the early 60s, or its motives…”

    Sigh…another attempt to pretend that the Jews…well they don;t know…they weren’t really doing it to be mean…it was an accident, blah, blah, blah. Well I know. The Jew spent decades and lots of money to dilute Americans so that they could destroy the country. They did so out of hatred. They always hate everyone everywhere they go and attempt to destroy any country they live in. This is another reason we should get rid them. It’s the only solution to their lies and destructive behavior. Make sure they have no say in your society at all. If we do not do so we will be destroyed and likely they will also.

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    You claim to be so certain about some important matters so i suppose it is fair to ask you for sources snd evidence that might support your views. I am not sure how far you apportion blame between Jewish support for the 1965 legislation and Jews sctually making the subsequent legal (and illegal?) Immigration happen. Perhaps you would be good enough to explain.

    And for a start can you please refer me to some good accounts of how the critical 1965 legislation came zbout both before and after it entered the legislative process? Which Senators? Which Congressmen? Which lobbies? Which opinion leaders?

    Then please the possibly less defined parts played in getting immigration to happen???

    I assume you would have trouble asctibing much Muslim immigration to Jews or the cheap Latino labor for the farms??? Then you might care to assess the weight I should give to what a Texan Catholic surgeon said to me nearly 30 years ago in favour of Latino immigration, namely good family values and an offset to the blscks. I don't think he got those views from Jewish sources; do you?
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  • @Francisco Menendez
    ZIONISM has corrupted Judaism...Zio ideology embedded into Judaism as to make them inseparable, ...although many jews/non jews support Israel they do not accept it at the expense of a Palestinian Holocaust or the perpetual wars with the Arab states/populations to realize the greater Israel delusionary military aventurism...wordshipping Israel is a form of idolatry oppose by Judaism...

    “…ZIONISM has corrupted Judaism…”

    That’s not true at all. I’m the biggest Zionist you’ve ever seen. I want ALL Jews to go to Israel and stay there, (with apologies to the Palestinians). As for the Judaism, it was corrupt from the beginning because it was created by Jews. It’s just the expression of their basic psychopathic corruption of the mind.

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  • @Tyrion 2
    I imagine that British Jews are more supportive of genuine free speech than the average Briton. That certainly is my experience.

    Indeed, I imagine that British Jews are now more immigration restrictionist than the average Briton though they may only be more so than the average British urbanite, I can't be sure.

    Anecdotally, if we look at leaders of the 2 main parties this century, there have been 9 overall or which 2 have been Jewish. This is obviously very disproportionate. Yet those 2 have easily been the most immigrationist restrictionist leaders of their respective parties, which is even more disproportionate!

    Something for this Jew to be proud of.

    “…I imagine that British Jews are more supportive of genuine free speech than the average Briton. That certainly is my experience…”

    HAHAHA the arrogance of these people. What buffoons.

    You know you don’t have to like, agree or want to have anything to do with the Nazis to recognize they damn sure nailed the nature of the Jews. Look at this fine quote by

    Joseph Goebbels:
    On the “Big Lie”

    ““If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it…”

    Unfortunately they always leave out the best part of what Goebbels said. He’s the rest of the quote,

    “…The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    Looks like your lies are breaking down as the State is NOT able to…”shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie.”

    The Jews are totally mentally defective. They keep lying even when everyone here knows they are. Even when it only serves to show how defective and untrustworthy they are. They have serious mental illness. This is just one reasons that we should get rid of the Jews. You can’t live with these sort of mentally defective people running around free and I damn sure don’t want to pay for them in camps or that high gas bill to burn them up. It would be cheaper to deport them.

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    You're barking at your own reflection.
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  • @ANON
    Thanks to your dopey amateur's blundering around waving a few scientific factoids you make elementary errors like referring to the melting of steel when weakening is all that was required. You also seem unaware that the buildings were built in accordance with new 1960s discretionary standards which greatly reduced the safety margins more concrete could have provided. And where pray - at what level(s) - do you think demolition charges would have been placed, and does that accord with professional demolition practice? Can you not understand how thousands of tons of upper storeys gaining momentum as ther crash through the first floors that have given way because of weakness caused by heat are going to crumple the lower floors like paper vertically?

    BTW have you turned your mind to why clever plotters are going to add a potentially damaging diversion like WTC 7 to their essential plan?

    “… dopey amateur’s blundering around waving a few scientific factoids you make elementary errors like referring to the melting of steel when weakening is all that was required. ..”

    HAHAHAHa

    You’re either a buffoon, a liar or both. You don’t understand gravity. What a putz. What an illiterate. I suppose, since you don’t understand gravity, that you think you can fly! Listen.. This is not your dream. You can’t fly.

    I guess i will have to explain it to you veerrryyy simply. Very slowly. Gravity is a force that acts on ALL objects exactly the same. Exactly the same. You know Galileo and all that. Newton, basic stuff. There are only “two” variables that concern us on the behavior of something falling n a gravity field. The gravity field and the resistance to falling by the media, this means air, water, molasses, whatever, the object is falling in. Now we, in this case, are talking about air. So building 7 fell the same speed as a rock dropped, in air, for roughly 108 feet on 9-11. Now we KNOW that the gravity field is the same. We know the building fell the same as a rock in air and the building was in the same air. So if the building fell the same as the rock what held up the building? Remember only two variables and so if the rock fell and was held up by air and the building fell the same what was the build held up by…AIR. That’s right the building was only held up by air. Well we all know the damn build wasn’t floating in the air. We also know that the buildings columns were made of steel with concrete reinforcement at various places and was NOT boiled away by the tiny fire so that the steel columns had the exact same density as air, remember the build fell the same speed as if it were only held up by air, this means the builds support MUST have been demoed in some way. The building had NO support but air when it fell.

    All you’ve proven by attacking me about building 7 is you are either a dumb ass or a liar. Both are reasons that we should get rid of the Jews. I’m weary of the constant lies and distortions of the Jews. We must find a way to get rid of them so we can have some peace and quite away for these maniac psychopaths.

    I remembered this quote. I’m going to start using it a lot.

    Joseph Goebbels:
    On the “Big Lie”

    ““If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it…”

    Oooops. Unfortunately they always leave out the best part of what Goebbels said. He’s the rest of the quote,

    “…The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    Looks like your lies are breaking down as the State is NOT able to…”shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie.”

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  • @Rurik

    ZUS is our gov. – 911 proved it beyond doubt.
     
    yep

    After the fall, ZUS abused the ethnic divisions in these new states to create wars – Transnistria in Moldavia, Nagorno-Karabakh in Azerbaijan Chechnya in Russia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia in Georgia and now Donbass in Ukraine.
     
    allow yourself a light-hearted inner smile at the knowledge that John McCain is rotting from the inside out - of his evil little brain. Soon, he'll be dead and the rest of him will be rotting too!

    Normally, a man dying is not something all people everywhere should celebrate. But in the case of a particularly venomous snake on two legs, like the historically execrable John McCain... and considering all the death and misery and horrors this man is personally responsible for- not to mention all the broken hearts who lost loved ones as a direct result of John McCain's treasons and crimes. (And would lose in the future due to McCain's relentless war mongering..)

    I think it's safe to say that all people, no matter where on the planet, should all be happy and celebrate in our hearts that John McCain is dying, and will soon be dead. :)

    https://kathleenclarkexposed.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/mccain-atlantic1.png


    Ukraine’s ZUS Junta appears to be a weapon to get Russia angry since Russian speakers are largest non-Ukrainian speaking group in Ukraine. The people of Ukraine do not seem to notice that they are just being used as weapon.
     
    they're trying to provoke Putin in exactly the same way they provoked Hitler over the corridor, by fomenting atrocities against the people of Donbas, just like they committed atrocities against the German people in Danzig. I call it 'the rope a dope strategy, where they kill some of your people, and get you to defend your nationals, and then howl that you're being aggressive! and need to be stomped down.

    Thank God Putin is far too savvy for their pathetic schemes.

    And yes, it's very, very sad to see the people of Ukraine being suckered and used like dogs to serve the nefarious agenda of the ZUS. They want to feel like they're part of the bling-bling, HipHop, west. Where Beyoncé and JayZ will come and make them all feel soooo cool, and they can see their young people emulate thug/nigger culture and swim in Hollywood's cultural sewage.

    And you can't tell them how damaging it all is, to celebrate 'thug-life' losers and their whores and the homomania and spiritual rot that goes with it all.

    Our icons in the zio-west are egotistical cretins and gutter skanks, held up as heroes and roll models for children to emulate, and they're the lowest level of shit from our society. But just like with Weimar, when these people control your institutions, they drag everything down to the level of worm shit, and the next thing you know there are pedophiles everywhere. Just look at England or Hollywood. These places are so full of boy rapists that they're on a par with the Vatican!

    (ranting again.. : (

    A perceptive quote by Putin on the illegal coup in Ukrainian by the Jews.

    “…they plunged the country into chaos, into economic and social collapse, into a civil war with enormous casualties…”…”…Apparently, those who constantly throw together new ‘colour revolutions’ consider themselves ‘brilliant artists’ and simply cannot stop…”

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  • @Anonymous
    Hi there to a potential Jewish friend. Let me toss in some test questions to see if my sojourn on UR has perhaps coarsened me so I say something unknowingly offensive to my old Rabbi friend who shares with me the view that some Ashkenazi genes forming part of the bloodline one shares are a plus for some things one values (e.g. them being smart enough to share one's sense of humour even if that brilliant acting in the school play didn't quite tip the balance for a place at Oxford).

    Ordinarily I would expect him to laugh at the claim of a friend - another Anonymous - that someone said to him "You are so philo-Semitic you obviously don't know enough Jews" and expect him to guess that it was a Jew who said it to him. Actually he made it up himself as a typical remark of an urbane Jewish lawyer we both know. :-) ???

    UR has prompted a lot of reading which makes me think of 19th century Zionism, well before 1898 as a perfectly sensible inoffensive (inspiring to some) idea to improve the lot of both Jews and their also fast breeding neighbours in Russia, Ukraine and Poland by making good use of some pretty unproductive land in the Ottoman empire. Who's to mind some Rothschild money being used to buy up land from willing sellers and hardworking settlers then contributing to the local economy. Unfortunately, as for my experience of an extended hospital stay prompted by pain but nothing life threatening there doesn't seem to have been anyone in charge and a lot of bad as well as stupid counterproductive behaviour ensued on both/all sides. No dissent I take it.

    Then there seems to have been a critical period of growing Zionist ruthlessness at all levels as well as growing objection (possibly because of the crucial leadership of certain Muslum clerics) by the growing Arab population of Palestine. That ruthlessness certainly included the exploitation, even provoking, of anti-Semitism beyond any justification that flowed merely from conventional impolite upper class anti-Semitism which usually had no legal or economic effect if one doesn't count quotas - rarely formal - on entry to upper class institutions. (I am supposing Germany had not been very different from the English experience which I am reminded by a female friend that I met at an oldfashioned upper class coming out ball about the time they ended who said her Jewish grandfather had bought an estate in Ireland rather than Scotland because of anti-Semitic sentiment. Even in Polsnd of course the gentile's doctor or lawyer was very likely Jewish....) So.... I am willing to believe a lot of the effective Zionists were tough thugs who took advantage of all their chances to put an end to anti-Zionism amongst the many distinguished Jews who opposed it. (Including, as a matter of interest, Australia's first Governor-General who was actually Australian: Sir Isaac Isaacs**.

    Jews are like an indigenous upper or upper middle class in their nepotism and tribalism, but my impression is that Jewish tribalism/nepotism is a notch up from typical upper middle class behaviour for the fairly obvious reasons of hangover from historical discrimination and.... Israel. Some of my Jeeish friends are fiercely critical of Israel but a more typical mark of their loyslty is thst all their childten will spend time there.

    Just as most people have multiple identities (a pity some neglect most if them) divided loyalties is normal. Unfortunately, in the US, Jewish loyalty to Israel has led to the Israel lobby being one of the corrupting forces which together own just about every elected politicianin the US - especially in DC. Australia is an imperfect democracy where the money needed to get elected - especislly the union money on the left - tends to produce bad policy results, but the contrast with a country where vast sums have to be spent to win ptimaries and then again both get out thr vote and get the voters to vote for you is vast. I see about six major lobbies/sources of finance for elections; and on foreign policy, especially Middle East policy, the Israel lobby is absolutely in control at great expense to Americans as taxpayers and alternative beneficisries if expensive wars and subsidies to Israel were ended.

    I am less clear about Jewish responsibility for Amrrica's misbegotten immigration policy from the early 60s, or its motives. I wouldn't attribute much of the cheap lsbour motivation to Jews or Jewish influence but some of the Jewish support for multiculturalism would be down to a general desire to dilute the WASP influence in a perhaps unfocused way. Mind you it would be ridiculous not to notice that American Jewish fertility is almost as abysmal as that of those great Catholic countries in the Mediterranean. And marrying out is big!

    Over to you. Anything likely to be offensive to an old Jewish friend. Oh yes I think I would be willing to argue the affirmative in a debate "That Israel has succeeded South Aftica as would be civilised msintainer of an Apartheid state". I would also, BTW, try for an ingenious novel one state solution where Jews had adequate protection.

    **I read an essay by a Chilean recently who pointed out what lefties were trying to make people forget about Australian history 1. The only [first?] country to obtain independent nationhood without anyone killed; 2. The only [first?] country to achieve and maintain unity without anyone killed; 3. The first country to elect a Labour government and Prime Minister, 4. The only country to have never had slaves or slavery (he quotes the admirable words about that by the first Governor before setting out for Australia. Lord Mansfiekd had already said in Somerset's Case 1776 "The air of England is to pure for a slave to breathe" 5. The first (substantial?) country to appoint a Jew to command its armed forces - Sir John Monash in WW1 who, BTW, Lloyd George said in his memoirs he would have appointed to command all the British forces in 1919. 6. Isaacs as GG - who haf already been CJ.

    Over to you. Anything likely to be offensive to an old Jewish friend. Oh yes I think I would be willing to argue the affirmative in a debate “That Israel has succeeded South Aftica as would be civilised msintainer of an Apartheid state”

    I note you use the word ‘civilised’.

    Is that because you recognise that the designation ‘Apartheid state’ would much better fit Saudi, Kuwait, the UAE, Qatar and others? It is clear that they are all built and maintained by slave labour, while Israel is not.

    Or is it perhaps because the discrimination against minorities in Israel pales in insignificance to genocidal events in Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Yemen and even Jordan (previously)?

    Or perhaps because the general state sponsored degradation of those in the occupied territories is substantially more humane than that meted out to certain groups in long-standing insurgencies in Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Morocco, Algeria and even Egypt?

    Now on this site there are two responses to this point. One, Israel gets blamed for all of the above in an obviously psychotic screed. The other though is to then compare Israel to Sweden, Holland and Norway.

    And I agree Israel is not as ‘civilised’ as Sweden, Holland and Norway, but then it exists in a rather different neighbourhood and a rather different context and I’m not sure were Israel more like Sweden that the Israelis would be alive.

    Nor does it seem that the Swedish are going to benefit in the long-term from their very high levels of ‘civilisation’. They will need to moderate closer to the world norm in order to survive.

    What would any non-white non-Western European country do in Israel’s situation? What have they done in similar situations?

    Because China is much more brutally crushing the Uighurs and has utterly crushed Tibet, must we boycott China? Or India, with its decades long multiple insurgencies? Or even Mexico where the narco war makes Israel’s forays into Gaza look like a simple parade.

    To have Israel stand out as anything but reasonable and exceptionally moderate in this world is to have one ‘civilised’ standard for Israel and Western European derived countries and another for everyone else.

    We all know that this bifurcated worldview is the dominant one in the West. It is what has led to the self-abegnation of all Western societies. The fact that Israel straddles the two standards, as does Russia, leads it to be an exceptionally controversial country. Even while, like Russia, by world norms it is exceptionally moderate.

    It seems that ‘civilised’ is one where any hint of Volksgeist has been banished and where Enlightenment is everything. Healthy countries seem to have a balance though. Too much Enlightenment and a country abolishes itself. Too much Volksgeist and it descends into utter depravity. Israel has currents of both although I’d contend it has rather more Enlightment than the world average and less Volksgeist.

    Nonetheless, since it has any Volksgeist it is therefore not “civilised’ like only white Western European countries are. Instead it is pretty normal.

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  • @AaronB

    The international right could use Jewish brainpower, Jewish verbal skills, Jewish influence. Even if you believe in Jews are a monolithic leftist faction, it would still be good to divide or peel off some members of that faction.
     
    Completely unnecessary. Jewish brainpower is dwarfed by white brainpower. Do the math with population numbers and mean IQ.

    Brainpower is not the issue with whites.

    Also, if, as I suspect is happening, Jews are on the verge of entering a decadent phase, than Jewish brainpower will decline, as it's as much a question of motivation as ability.

    According to Ron Unz’s study of college admissions, that ‘slide into decadence’ has been going on for over a generation already.

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    Right. The decline in Jewish intellect is already taking place, as Ron Unz documented. It's an inevitable process - all elites decay. They rest on their laurels and get lazy. They're not willing to make the effort anymore, and intelligence is fifty percent effort.

    I am also noticing a decline in Jewish tactical flexibility - the same old tactics are being used without recognition that the situation has changed.

    This is another inevitable way elites decay - they stick with the tactics that brought them to power even if they no longer make sense. Can you blame them?

    Power eventually makes stupid.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Your lack of knowledge regarding Australia's history is monumental. The colonial settlers both massacred the indigenous people and enslaved them (obviously not the dead ones) which continued until not very long ago when aboriginal jackaroos (cowboys) were still paid in flour, coffee, sugar and tobacco. The convicts that were transported from England were essentially slaves too.

    Australia has only ever been an independent nation in name only. After "independence" it continued to be controlled by Britain until WWII when it fell under the control of the US which continues to this day. The CIA had a hand in deposing both the Whitlam and Rudd Labor governments and vetted Gillard before she was allowed to become PM. Australian politicians belong to a duopoly serving the US and Israel, which is the same thing really.

    They don’t even believe that sort of stuff in Fitzroy or Balmain any longer. Nor did Whitlam!

    As to slavery you don’t know what the criteria are. (Even Bob Hughes and Manning Clark at their irresponsible worst wouldn’t back you on that).
    I’m surprised you don’t at least make a misleading reference to blackbirding but you are obviously relying on a memory which creaks a bit. Here’s some help from a serious historian:

    Quadrant-October-2013-app-file.pdf

    [I refer to Claudio Véliz "Infamous Omissions from Australian History" p.7 et seq which you can get to on the Google psge from Googling "Claudio Véliz Hugh Thomas" where I landed up when looking for what was said to be Véliz's outstanding obituary tribute to Thomas (instead I got this 2013 tribute to Kenneth Minogue)].

    Incidentally I remember an elderly member of one of Australia’s big outback sheep station ownimg famulies who employed many Aborigines telling of the way they would just get up and go walkabout. Nit even my cinvict ancestors were enslaved. Their children were totally free and they were free of all restrictions once their sentences hsd been served – or well before in many cases.

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  • @OilcanFloyd
    I hope for a quick and painful death that sends him to eternal torture. Hopefully there is a hell. McCain needs to leave this life as soon as possible. It would be best if eternal torture were real, and he started right away.

    Being an atheist, I have no faith in a hereafter with eternal damnation, and neither do the jews that feed him, so I would like him to get his lumps right here in the tangible world where he has wrought his mayhem.

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    I'm not sure about what happens after death, but I'd like for McCain to take his lumps before and after death, if possible. An excruciating death followed by eternal sounds good to me.
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  • @Liza
    Yes, of course Taras Bulba was written by Gogol (in Russian). However, he was a Ukrainian, born in what is now called Ukraine, and his name is properly pronounced Hohol. Which you may know, but I'm just reminding. Tks. I'm a Uke but have nothing against Russians. There's no more time for that; things are bad in the world and we have to try and get along now.

    Yes, of course Taras Bulba was written by Gogol (in Russian). However, he was a Ukrainian,

    These funny ukraninas wet and sweet dreams! Gogol didn’t write a single string of text on ukranian. Of course he’s great Russian writer who was born in Malorossia which now called as Ukraine.

    I’m a Uke but have nothing against Russians.

    Funny, I just consider “Uks” as bastards, betrayers, who sold their past for nothing and will get nothing in the future.
    They have nothing of theirs, Uk’s – no literature, no science, no music – nothing. Even Shevchenko had written all his prose in Russian. And except him you have nobody and it’s the reason to pretend Gogol was Uk, and Black Sea wad digged by Uk and all that funny stuff they now pour out to the world. And the same time more than 80% of them speak Russian including some of their goverment which is hardly strugling with Russian language. The theater of the absurd.

    They exchanged their great common history to sweet smell going out from American ass. No problem, go on. We’ll just look.

    PS: I usually not speak to “Uks” and won’t continue this thread neither.

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    Thank you so much for your gracious response.
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  • @Anonymous
    Hi there to a potential Jewish friend. Let me toss in some test questions to see if my sojourn on UR has perhaps coarsened me so I say something unknowingly offensive to my old Rabbi friend who shares with me the view that some Ashkenazi genes forming part of the bloodline one shares are a plus for some things one values (e.g. them being smart enough to share one's sense of humour even if that brilliant acting in the school play didn't quite tip the balance for a place at Oxford).

    Ordinarily I would expect him to laugh at the claim of a friend - another Anonymous - that someone said to him "You are so philo-Semitic you obviously don't know enough Jews" and expect him to guess that it was a Jew who said it to him. Actually he made it up himself as a typical remark of an urbane Jewish lawyer we both know. :-) ???

    UR has prompted a lot of reading which makes me think of 19th century Zionism, well before 1898 as a perfectly sensible inoffensive (inspiring to some) idea to improve the lot of both Jews and their also fast breeding neighbours in Russia, Ukraine and Poland by making good use of some pretty unproductive land in the Ottoman empire. Who's to mind some Rothschild money being used to buy up land from willing sellers and hardworking settlers then contributing to the local economy. Unfortunately, as for my experience of an extended hospital stay prompted by pain but nothing life threatening there doesn't seem to have been anyone in charge and a lot of bad as well as stupid counterproductive behaviour ensued on both/all sides. No dissent I take it.

    Then there seems to have been a critical period of growing Zionist ruthlessness at all levels as well as growing objection (possibly because of the crucial leadership of certain Muslum clerics) by the growing Arab population of Palestine. That ruthlessness certainly included the exploitation, even provoking, of anti-Semitism beyond any justification that flowed merely from conventional impolite upper class anti-Semitism which usually had no legal or economic effect if one doesn't count quotas - rarely formal - on entry to upper class institutions. (I am supposing Germany had not been very different from the English experience which I am reminded by a female friend that I met at an oldfashioned upper class coming out ball about the time they ended who said her Jewish grandfather had bought an estate in Ireland rather than Scotland because of anti-Semitic sentiment. Even in Polsnd of course the gentile's doctor or lawyer was very likely Jewish....) So.... I am willing to believe a lot of the effective Zionists were tough thugs who took advantage of all their chances to put an end to anti-Zionism amongst the many distinguished Jews who opposed it. (Including, as a matter of interest, Australia's first Governor-General who was actually Australian: Sir Isaac Isaacs**.

    Jews are like an indigenous upper or upper middle class in their nepotism and tribalism, but my impression is that Jewish tribalism/nepotism is a notch up from typical upper middle class behaviour for the fairly obvious reasons of hangover from historical discrimination and.... Israel. Some of my Jeeish friends are fiercely critical of Israel but a more typical mark of their loyslty is thst all their childten will spend time there.

    Just as most people have multiple identities (a pity some neglect most if them) divided loyalties is normal. Unfortunately, in the US, Jewish loyalty to Israel has led to the Israel lobby being one of the corrupting forces which together own just about every elected politicianin the US - especially in DC. Australia is an imperfect democracy where the money needed to get elected - especislly the union money on the left - tends to produce bad policy results, but the contrast with a country where vast sums have to be spent to win ptimaries and then again both get out thr vote and get the voters to vote for you is vast. I see about six major lobbies/sources of finance for elections; and on foreign policy, especially Middle East policy, the Israel lobby is absolutely in control at great expense to Americans as taxpayers and alternative beneficisries if expensive wars and subsidies to Israel were ended.

    I am less clear about Jewish responsibility for Amrrica's misbegotten immigration policy from the early 60s, or its motives. I wouldn't attribute much of the cheap lsbour motivation to Jews or Jewish influence but some of the Jewish support for multiculturalism would be down to a general desire to dilute the WASP influence in a perhaps unfocused way. Mind you it would be ridiculous not to notice that American Jewish fertility is almost as abysmal as that of those great Catholic countries in the Mediterranean. And marrying out is big!

    Over to you. Anything likely to be offensive to an old Jewish friend. Oh yes I think I would be willing to argue the affirmative in a debate "That Israel has succeeded South Aftica as would be civilised msintainer of an Apartheid state". I would also, BTW, try for an ingenious novel one state solution where Jews had adequate protection.

    **I read an essay by a Chilean recently who pointed out what lefties were trying to make people forget about Australian history 1. The only [first?] country to obtain independent nationhood without anyone killed; 2. The only [first?] country to achieve and maintain unity without anyone killed; 3. The first country to elect a Labour government and Prime Minister, 4. The only country to have never had slaves or slavery (he quotes the admirable words about that by the first Governor before setting out for Australia. Lord Mansfiekd had already said in Somerset's Case 1776 "The air of England is to pure for a slave to breathe" 5. The first (substantial?) country to appoint a Jew to command its armed forces - Sir John Monash in WW1 who, BTW, Lloyd George said in his memoirs he would have appointed to command all the British forces in 1919. 6. Isaacs as GG - who haf already been CJ.

    Your lack of knowledge regarding Australia’s history is monumental. The colonial settlers both massacred the indigenous people and enslaved them (obviously not the dead ones) which continued until not very long ago when aboriginal jackaroos (cowboys) were still paid in flour, coffee, sugar and tobacco. The convicts that were transported from England were essentially slaves too.

    Australia has only ever been an independent nation in name only. After “independence” it continued to be controlled by Britain until WWII when it fell under the control of the US which continues to this day. The CIA had a hand in deposing both the Whitlam and Rudd Labor governments and vetted Gillard before she was allowed to become PM. Australian politicians belong to a duopoly serving the US and Israel, which is the same thing really.

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    They don't even believe that sort of stuff in Fitzroy or Balmain any longer. Nor did Whitlam!

    As to slavery you don't know what the criteria are. (Even Bob Hughes and Manning Clark at their irresponsible worst wouldn't back you on that).
    I'm surprised you don't at least make a misleading reference to blackbirding but you are obviously relying on a memory which creaks a bit. Here's some help from a serious historian:

    Quadrant-October-2013-app-file.pdf

    [I refer to Claudio Véliz "Infamous Omissions from Australian History" p.7 et seq which you can get to on the Google psge from Googling "Claudio Véliz Hugh Thomas" where I landed up when looking for what was said to be Véliz's outstanding obituary tribute to Thomas (instead I got this 2013 tribute to Kenneth Minogue)].

    Incidentally I remember an elderly member of one of Australia's big outback sheep station ownimg famulies who employed many Aborigines telling of the way they would just get up and go walkabout. Nit even my cinvict ancestors were enslaved. Their children were totally free and they were free of all restrictions once their sentences hsd been served - or well before in many cases.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2
    Not really. If someone writes "the sky is blue and that is why Jews are evil and responsible for everything bad" I would be weird to simply agree that the sky is blue.

    Hi there to a potential Jewish friend. Let me toss in some test questions to see if my sojourn on UR has perhaps coarsened me so I say something unknowingly offensive to my old Rabbi friend who shares with me the view that some Ashkenazi genes forming part of the bloodline one shares are a plus for some things one values (e.g. them being smart enough to share one’s sense of humour even if that brilliant acting in the school play didn’t quite tip the balance for a place at Oxford).

    Ordinarily I would expect him to laugh at the claim of a friend – another Anonymous – that someone said to him “You are so philo-Semitic you obviously don’t know enough Jews” and expect him to guess that it was a Jew who said it to him. Actually he made it up himself as a typical remark of an urbane Jewish lawyer we both know. :-) ???

    UR has prompted a lot of reading which makes me think of 19th century Zionism, well before 1898 as a perfectly sensible inoffensive (inspiring to some) idea to improve the lot of both Jews and their also fast breeding neighbours in Russia, Ukraine and Poland by making good use of some pretty unproductive land in the Ottoman empire. Who’s to mind some Rothschild money being used to buy up land from willing sellers and hardworking settlers then contributing to the local economy. Unfortunately, as for my experience of an extended hospital stay prompted by pain but nothing life threatening there doesn’t seem to have been anyone in charge and a lot of bad as well as stupid counterproductive behaviour ensued on both/all sides. No dissent I take it.

    Then there seems to have been a critical period of growing Zionist ruthlessness at all levels as well as growing objection (possibly because of the crucial leadership of certain Muslum clerics) by the growing Arab population of Palestine. That ruthlessness certainly included the exploitation, even provoking, of anti-Semitism beyond any justification that flowed merely from conventional impolite upper class anti-Semitism which usually had no legal or economic effect if one doesn’t count quotas – rarely formal – on entry to upper class institutions. (I am supposing Germany had not been very different from the English experience which I am reminded by a female friend that I met at an oldfashioned upper class coming out ball about the time they ended who said her Jewish grandfather had bought an estate in Ireland rather than Scotland because of anti-Semitic sentiment. Even in Polsnd of course the gentile’s doctor or lawyer was very likely Jewish….) So…. I am willing to believe a lot of the effective Zionists were tough thugs who took advantage of all their chances to put an end to anti-Zionism amongst the many distinguished Jews who opposed it. (Including, as a matter of interest, Australia’s first Governor-General who was actually Australian: Sir Isaac Isaacs**.

    Jews are like an indigenous upper or upper middle class in their nepotism and tribalism, but my impression is that Jewish tribalism/nepotism is a notch up from typical upper middle class behaviour for the fairly obvious reasons of hangover from historical discrimination and…. Israel. Some of my Jeeish friends are fiercely critical of Israel but a more typical mark of their loyslty is thst all their childten will spend time there.

    Just as most people have multiple identities (a pity some neglect most if them) divided loyalties is normal. Unfortunately, in the US, Jewish loyalty to Israel has led to the Israel lobby being one of the corrupting forces which together own just about every elected politicianin the US – especially in DC. Australia is an imperfect democracy where the money needed to get elected – especislly the union money on the left – tends to produce bad policy results, but the contrast with a country where vast sums have to be spent to win ptimaries and then again both get out thr vote and get the voters to vote for you is vast. I see about six major lobbies/sources of finance for elections; and on foreign policy, especially Middle East policy, the Israel lobby is absolutely in control at great expense to Americans as taxpayers and alternative beneficisries if expensive wars and subsidies to Israel were ended.

    I am less clear about Jewish responsibility for Amrrica’s misbegotten immigration policy from the early 60s, or its motives. I wouldn’t attribute much of the cheap lsbour motivation to Jews or Jewish influence but some of the Jewish support for multiculturalism would be down to a general desire to dilute the WASP influence in a perhaps unfocused way. Mind you it would be ridiculous not to notice that American Jewish fertility is almost as abysmal as that of those great Catholic countries in the Mediterranean. And marrying out is big!

    Over to you. Anything likely to be offensive to an old Jewish friend. Oh yes I think I would be willing to argue the affirmative in a debate “That Israel has succeeded South Aftica as would be civilised msintainer of an Apartheid state”. I would also, BTW, try for an ingenious novel one state solution where Jews had adequate protection.

    **I read an essay by a Chilean recently who pointed out what lefties were trying to make people forget about Australian history 1. The only [first?] country to obtain independent nationhood without anyone killed; 2. The only [first?] country to achieve and maintain unity without anyone killed; 3. The first country to elect a Labour government and Prime Minister, 4. The only country to have never had slaves or slavery (he quotes the admirable words about that by the first Governor before setting out for Australia. Lord Mansfiekd had already said in Somerset’s Case 1776 “The air of England is to pure for a slave to breathe” 5. The first (substantial?) country to appoint a Jew to command its armed forces – Sir John Monash in WW1 who, BTW, Lloyd George said in his memoirs he would have appointed to command all the British forces in 1919. 6. Isaacs as GG – who haf already been CJ.

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    Your lack of knowledge regarding Australia's history is monumental. The colonial settlers both massacred the indigenous people and enslaved them (obviously not the dead ones) which continued until not very long ago when aboriginal jackaroos (cowboys) were still paid in flour, coffee, sugar and tobacco. The convicts that were transported from England were essentially slaves too.

    Australia has only ever been an independent nation in name only. After "independence" it continued to be controlled by Britain until WWII when it fell under the control of the US which continues to this day. The CIA had a hand in deposing both the Whitlam and Rudd Labor governments and vetted Gillard before she was allowed to become PM. Australian politicians belong to a duopoly serving the US and Israel, which is the same thing really.
    , @Tyrion 2

    Over to you. Anything likely to be offensive to an old Jewish friend. Oh yes I think I would be willing to argue the affirmative in a debate “That Israel has succeeded South Aftica as would be civilised msintainer of an Apartheid state”
     
    I note you use the word 'civilised'.

    Is that because you recognise that the designation 'Apartheid state' would much better fit Saudi, Kuwait, the UAE, Qatar and others? It is clear that they are all built and maintained by slave labour, while Israel is not.

    Or is it perhaps because the discrimination against minorities in Israel pales in insignificance to genocidal events in Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Yemen and even Jordan (previously)?

    Or perhaps because the general state sponsored degradation of those in the occupied territories is substantially more humane than that meted out to certain groups in long-standing insurgencies in Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Morocco, Algeria and even Egypt?

    Now on this site there are two responses to this point. One, Israel gets blamed for all of the above in an obviously psychotic screed. The other though is to then compare Israel to Sweden, Holland and Norway.

    And I agree Israel is not as 'civilised' as Sweden, Holland and Norway, but then it exists in a rather different neighbourhood and a rather different context and I'm not sure were Israel more like Sweden that the Israelis would be alive.

    Nor does it seem that the Swedish are going to benefit in the long-term from their very high levels of 'civilisation'. They will need to moderate closer to the world norm in order to survive.

    What would any non-white non-Western European country do in Israel's situation? What have they done in similar situations?

    Because China is much more brutally crushing the Uighurs and has utterly crushed Tibet, must we boycott China? Or India, with its decades long multiple insurgencies? Or even Mexico where the narco war makes Israel's forays into Gaza look like a simple parade.

    To have Israel stand out as anything but reasonable and exceptionally moderate in this world is to have one 'civilised' standard for Israel and Western European derived countries and another for everyone else.

    We all know that this bifurcated worldview is the dominant one in the West. It is what has led to the self-abegnation of all Western societies. The fact that Israel straddles the two standards, as does Russia, leads it to be an exceptionally controversial country. Even while, like Russia, by world norms it is exceptionally moderate.

    It seems that 'civilised' is one where any hint of Volksgeist has been banished and where Enlightenment is everything. Healthy countries seem to have a balance though. Too much Enlightenment and a country abolishes itself. Too much Volksgeist and it descends into utter depravity. Israel has currents of both although I'd contend it has rather more Enlightment than the world average and less Volksgeist.

    Nonetheless, since it has any Volksgeist it is therefore not "civilised' like only white Western European countries are. Instead it is pretty normal.
    , @Sam J.
    "...I am less clear about Jewish responsibility for Amrrica’s misbegotten immigration policy from the early 60s, or its motives..."

    Sigh...another attempt to pretend that the Jews...well they don;t know...they weren't really doing it to be mean...it was an accident, blah, blah, blah. Well I know. The Jew spent decades and lots of money to dilute Americans so that they could destroy the country. They did so out of hatred. They always hate everyone everywhere they go and attempt to destroy any country they live in. This is another reason we should get rid them. It's the only solution to their lies and destructive behavior. Make sure they have no say in your society at all. If we do not do so we will be destroyed and likely they will also.
    , @anarchyst
    Both American "immigration reform" in 1965 and the misguided "civil-rights" movement was spearheaded by jews. Emanuel Celler (a jew) was instrumental in pushing through the 1965 immigration act which closed off Europe to legal immigration while redirecting immigration to the middle east and third-world countries. This was done on purpose to destroy the social fabric of the United States. 99% of the "civil-rights workers" and handlers were jews. Although "non-violence" was preached, violence committed by blacks and their handlers was rampant, but almost never reported. then, as now, the mainstream media had its own "agenda". The hatred of ordinary whites was evident. In later years, these civil rights workers morphed into race hustlers, poverty p!mps, and civil-rights attorneys, and are still wreaking havoc to this very day.
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  • @Cloak And Dagger
    I live in the hope each day that John McCain lives a long time, writhing in agony, as cancer eats one cell at a time in his deplorable being, as he suffers for all the pain and deaths he has wrought across the world in service of his jewish masters. Eternity will not be long enough.

    I hope for a quick and painful death that sends him to eternal torture. Hopefully there is a hell. McCain needs to leave this life as soon as possible. It would be best if eternal torture were real, and he started right away.

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    Being an atheist, I have no faith in a hereafter with eternal damnation, and neither do the jews that feed him, so I would like him to get his lumps right here in the tangible world where he has wrought his mayhem.
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  • ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @lavoisier
    I do not think there are many duds given scientific Nobels--Physics, Chemistry, Medicine. But I often wonder if antecedent and novel scientific work could have been dishonestly expropriated by another laying claim to an original idea that was not original.

    Fraud happens in science just like it does in finance. And just because you may be brilliant, it might not stop you from taking an idea from another scientist and claiming it as your own.

    Re “Duds”
    It’s OK the immortal name of Lavoisier is safe but if you weren’t an old fuddy-duddy you would have got this at the top of one quick Google

    https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2015/10/nobel_prizes_awarded_for_disproved_discoveries.html

    Mind you there’s probably some convuluted explanation of causation by Jews working with drones snd controlled demolition experts but we have all our little helpers here to provide those emanationx of fevered brains.

    [When you are old enough you will give in to making those two quick taps which bring up Google, but do make sure you aren't caught out by a Google algorithm set to trick unwary gentiles :-) ]

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  • @Randal
    Like I said, all you had to do on this occasion was make your first post here one agreeing with my criticism of the prosecution of Chabloz, which you have claimed you do not support.

    Not really. If someone writes “the sky is blue and that is why Jews are evil and responsible for everything bad” I would be weird to simply agree that the sky is blue.

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    Hi there to a potential Jewish friend. Let me toss in some test questions to see if my sojourn on UR has perhaps coarsened me so I say something unknowingly offensive to my old Rabbi friend who shares with me the view that some Ashkenazi genes forming part of the bloodline one shares are a plus for some things one values (e.g. them being smart enough to share one's sense of humour even if that brilliant acting in the school play didn't quite tip the balance for a place at Oxford).

    Ordinarily I would expect him to laugh at the claim of a friend - another Anonymous - that someone said to him "You are so philo-Semitic you obviously don't know enough Jews" and expect him to guess that it was a Jew who said it to him. Actually he made it up himself as a typical remark of an urbane Jewish lawyer we both know. :-) ???

    UR has prompted a lot of reading which makes me think of 19th century Zionism, well before 1898 as a perfectly sensible inoffensive (inspiring to some) idea to improve the lot of both Jews and their also fast breeding neighbours in Russia, Ukraine and Poland by making good use of some pretty unproductive land in the Ottoman empire. Who's to mind some Rothschild money being used to buy up land from willing sellers and hardworking settlers then contributing to the local economy. Unfortunately, as for my experience of an extended hospital stay prompted by pain but nothing life threatening there doesn't seem to have been anyone in charge and a lot of bad as well as stupid counterproductive behaviour ensued on both/all sides. No dissent I take it.

    Then there seems to have been a critical period of growing Zionist ruthlessness at all levels as well as growing objection (possibly because of the crucial leadership of certain Muslum clerics) by the growing Arab population of Palestine. That ruthlessness certainly included the exploitation, even provoking, of anti-Semitism beyond any justification that flowed merely from conventional impolite upper class anti-Semitism which usually had no legal or economic effect if one doesn't count quotas - rarely formal - on entry to upper class institutions. (I am supposing Germany had not been very different from the English experience which I am reminded by a female friend that I met at an oldfashioned upper class coming out ball about the time they ended who said her Jewish grandfather had bought an estate in Ireland rather than Scotland because of anti-Semitic sentiment. Even in Polsnd of course the gentile's doctor or lawyer was very likely Jewish....) So.... I am willing to believe a lot of the effective Zionists were tough thugs who took advantage of all their chances to put an end to anti-Zionism amongst the many distinguished Jews who opposed it. (Including, as a matter of interest, Australia's first Governor-General who was actually Australian: Sir Isaac Isaacs**.

    Jews are like an indigenous upper or upper middle class in their nepotism and tribalism, but my impression is that Jewish tribalism/nepotism is a notch up from typical upper middle class behaviour for the fairly obvious reasons of hangover from historical discrimination and.... Israel. Some of my Jeeish friends are fiercely critical of Israel but a more typical mark of their loyslty is thst all their childten will spend time there.

    Just as most people have multiple identities (a pity some neglect most if them) divided loyalties is normal. Unfortunately, in the US, Jewish loyalty to Israel has led to the Israel lobby being one of the corrupting forces which together own just about every elected politicianin the US - especially in DC. Australia is an imperfect democracy where the money needed to get elected - especislly the union money on the left - tends to produce bad policy results, but the contrast with a country where vast sums have to be spent to win ptimaries and then again both get out thr vote and get the voters to vote for you is vast. I see about six major lobbies/sources of finance for elections; and on foreign policy, especially Middle East policy, the Israel lobby is absolutely in control at great expense to Americans as taxpayers and alternative beneficisries if expensive wars and subsidies to Israel were ended.

    I am less clear about Jewish responsibility for Amrrica's misbegotten immigration policy from the early 60s, or its motives. I wouldn't attribute much of the cheap lsbour motivation to Jews or Jewish influence but some of the Jewish support for multiculturalism would be down to a general desire to dilute the WASP influence in a perhaps unfocused way. Mind you it would be ridiculous not to notice that American Jewish fertility is almost as abysmal as that of those great Catholic countries in the Mediterranean. And marrying out is big!

    Over to you. Anything likely to be offensive to an old Jewish friend. Oh yes I think I would be willing to argue the affirmative in a debate "That Israel has succeeded South Aftica as would be civilised msintainer of an Apartheid state". I would also, BTW, try for an ingenious novel one state solution where Jews had adequate protection.

    **I read an essay by a Chilean recently who pointed out what lefties were trying to make people forget about Australian history 1. The only [first?] country to obtain independent nationhood without anyone killed; 2. The only [first?] country to achieve and maintain unity without anyone killed; 3. The first country to elect a Labour government and Prime Minister, 4. The only country to have never had slaves or slavery (he quotes the admirable words about that by the first Governor before setting out for Australia. Lord Mansfiekd had already said in Somerset's Case 1776 "The air of England is to pure for a slave to breathe" 5. The first (substantial?) country to appoint a Jew to command its armed forces - Sir John Monash in WW1 who, BTW, Lloyd George said in his memoirs he would have appointed to command all the British forces in 1919. 6. Isaacs as GG - who haf already been CJ.

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  • @ANON
    It might not be too difficult to do a preliminary check with Wikipedia.

    It would be very surprising if the potential funding bias (and I don't dispute the theoretical possibility of it occurring via old WASP foundations like Rockefeller or Ford; cp. "Capture" of the Ivies) had begun before the 70s or 80s.

    The unsupported suggestion made earlier about direct Jewish influence on the awards has in fact prompted another theoretical speculation. Just as Harvey Weinstein is supposed to have mastered the art of Oscar lobbying maybe there is the equivalent in the nomination and deliberation stages for the Nobels. Who would do it? It is not something that one would expect a Sheldon Adelson to be good at but he could easily put a retired university president with prestige in STEM to sit on a $10 million foundation dedicated to promoting promising scientists' careers....

    Hey.... why go to all the bother? Let's make it up!

    For a mini thesis I suggest a study of all the Nobels now seen to be duds to see if there are any explanatory themes which emerge from their back stories.

    I do not think there are many duds given scientific Nobels–Physics, Chemistry, Medicine. But I often wonder if antecedent and novel scientific work could have been dishonestly expropriated by another laying claim to an original idea that was not original.

    Fraud happens in science just like it does in finance. And just because you may be brilliant, it might not stop you from taking an idea from another scientist and claiming it as your own.

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    Re "Duds"
    It's OK the immortal name of Lavoisier is safe but if you weren't an old fuddy-duddy you would have got this at the top of one quick Google
    https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2015/10/nobel_prizes_awarded_for_disproved_discoveries.html

    Mind you there's probably some convuluted explanation of causation by Jews working with drones snd controlled demolition experts but we have all our little helpers here to provide those emanationx of fevered brains.

    [When you are old enough you will give in to making those two quick taps which bring up Google, but do make sure you aren't caught out by a Google algorithm set to trick unwary gentiles :-) ]
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  • @Liza
    Yes, of course Taras Bulba was written by Gogol (in Russian). However, he was a Ukrainian, born in what is now called Ukraine, and his name is properly pronounced Hohol. Which you may know, but I'm just reminding. Tks. I'm a Uke but have nothing against Russians. There's no more time for that; things are bad in the world and we have to try and get along now.

    Honey you are so sincere and cute, The tears went all the way to my cheeks. Now I do have to admit that I am a dirty liar. Actually I never did heard anything about Taras Bulba. I did invent the all story for amusement.

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  • @Randal

    I would never claim something so obviously false. Why are you lying about it?
     
    That was the clear implication of your introduction of the notion of "genuine free speech".

    Are you now clarifying that you did not do so with the intention of trying to introduce a distinction between "genuine" free speech and allowing people like Chabloz to not be prosecuted, which is what the context implied?

    Be realistic too, the lady clearly hates me for existing
     
    This is another iteration of the basic antiracist lie - disapproval dishonestly equated with hatred, and disapproval of group interests and the way they are pursued falsely conflated with personal hatred.

    In fact there's no evidence whatsoever that Chabloz has any personal animus against jews individually, and indeed strong evidence to the contrary, since there are jewish individuals she is working with to fight this prosecution.

    Why would she "hate you for existing"? Why would she even particularly dislike you, if you aren't actively part of, or a supporter of, the persecution she has faced, and if you aren't part of the political activities she dislikes (in which case she's as entitled to dislike you for that as anyone is entitled to dislike any political opponent for being such).

    No-one considers it an artistic work of any quality at all…
     
    This is an assertion that would have no importance even if it were true.

    But my point was that mosy Brits would find that the words are hateful and because humans don’t like hateful things they tens to ban them. This is not my preference even though can clearly recognise them as hateful.
     
    No, most people argue that even things of which they strongly disapprove should be allowed to be said. Indeed, this is the supposed official position of the British government and of the British elites, with hypocritical qualifiers only when the powerful wish to impose them.

    The fact remains that contrary to your suggestion the Chabloz prosecution absolutely is nothing ordinary for Britain, but represents a major downward step on the road to censorship that we are collectively travelling, largely impelled by jewish, muslim and other identity lobby groups along with various anti-racist etc political correctness zealots.


    Still, what would you like for me to do?
     
    Well, for instance the least you could probably do, when faced with an article specifically talking about what jews ought to be doing, and a comment referring to the disgraceful pushing by jewish organisations of censorship of speech they don't like, is to come in and rather than trying to knock the comment criticising that behaviour, express your agreement with the criticism of the behaviour of the CAA and their ilk.

    But it's not here that any action will be of any use. Most people here are well aware of the actions of jewish organisations trying to shut down speech they dislike. Really you should be making clear directly and personally to the various organisations that claim to represent you in this that CAA are not acting in your name in prosecuting Chabloz and similar speech suppression activities, and you will have no part of it and will not support those organisations if they continue to do it. If necessary you could join with likeminded jewish people (there must be lots of them based upon your assertion that jewish people generally support freedom of speech) to form rival organisations representing jewish interests that explicitly and honestly renounce and disapprove of actions promoting censorship.

    Obviously you don't have to do any of that, but don't be surprised if, when you and most of your fellows choose not to, observers recognise jewish claims to be devoted supporters of freedom of speech to be largely hypocrisy.

    Are you now clarifying that you did not do so with the intention of trying to introduce a distinction between “genuine” free speech and allowing people like Chabloz to not be prosecuted, which is what the context implied?

    I never intended to imply the context you saw in it. Free speech is key to the civilization I love.

    This is an assertion that would have no importance even if it were true.

    It is important when we are discussing mass opinion…

    No, most people argue that even things of which they strongly disapprove should be allowed to be said. Indeed, this is the supposed official position of the British government and of the British elites, with hypocritical qualifiers only when the powerful wish to impose them.

    Very unfortunately, all evidence says otherwise.

    The fact remains that contrary to your suggestion the Chabloz prosecution absolutely is nothing ordinary for Britain, but represents a major downward step on the road to censorship

    It seems very much part to me of a tragically obvious trend.

    But it’s not here that any action will be of any use. Most people here are well aware of the actions of jewish organisations trying to shut down speech they dislike. Really you should be making clear directly and personally to the various organisations that claim to represent you in this that CAA are not acting in your name in prosecuting Chabloz and similar speech suppression activities, and you will have no part of it and will not support those organisations if they continue to do it. If necessary you could join with likeminded jewish people (there must be lots of them based upon your assertion that jewish people generally support freedom of speech) to form rival organisations representing jewish interests that explicitly and honestly renounce and disapprove of actions promoting censorship.

    I do this. In my own small way. Obviously I will not prove it. I am as scared of the thought police as you. My point really is that being Jewish does not save me from them, and I would appreciate being hated a bit less by my fellow opponents of the thought police, as the thought police is very far from a Jewish phenomenon.

    I’ve told my Rabbi off for political correctness and have done many other things. Some much more substantial. It just hurts a bit to be scapegoated for this nonsense given the real personal sacrifices I’ve made.

    Imagine you work quite hard to fix something and then you get clobbered on the internet by people who accuse you of making the problem you have worked so hard to obviate. It isn’t fun.

    As for forming a rival Jewish organisation. I get it, but it isn’t exactly key to my life and I prefer to work within standard British organisations. It tends to be more effective! Anyway, we’ll see what I do this year!

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  • @Tyrion 2
    Songs or speech, in person or online, no-one cares and indeed there is no rational difference. I support freedom in all, most people don't, it's not my fault.

    Like I said, all you had to do on this occasion was make your first post here one agreeing with my criticism of the prosecution of Chabloz, which you have claimed you do not support.

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    Not really. If someone writes "the sky is blue and that is why Jews are evil and responsible for everything bad" I would be weird to simply agree that the sky is blue.
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  • @yurivku
    Such a mess is in your head! Where are you getting all this BS?

    Where is the location of the battle where Shevchenko’s Taras Bulba died.

     

    For your education - Taras Bulba had been written by Nikolay Gogol
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taras_Bulba

    It'll be better for all if you won't write things you have no idea about.

    Yes, of course Taras Bulba was written by Gogol (in Russian). However, he was a Ukrainian, born in what is now called Ukraine, and his name is properly pronounced Hohol. Which you may know, but I’m just reminding. Tks. I’m a Uke but have nothing against Russians. There’s no more time for that; things are bad in the world and we have to try and get along now.

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    Honey you are so sincere and cute, The tears went all the way to my cheeks. Now I do have to admit that I am a dirty liar. Actually I never did heard anything about Taras Bulba. I did invent the all story for amusement.
    , @yurivku

    Yes, of course Taras Bulba was written by Gogol (in Russian). However, he was a Ukrainian,
     
    These funny ukraninas wet and sweet dreams! Gogol didn't write a single string of text on ukranian. Of course he's great Russian writer who was born in Malorossia which now called as Ukraine.

    I’m a Uke but have nothing against Russians.
     
    Funny, I just consider "Uks" as bastards, betrayers, who sold their past for nothing and will get nothing in the future.
    They have nothing of theirs, Uk's - no literature, no science, no music - nothing. Even Shevchenko had written all his prose in Russian. And except him you have nobody and it's the reason to pretend Gogol was Uk, and Black Sea wad digged by Uk and all that funny stuff they now pour out to the world. And the same time more than 80% of them speak Russian including some of their goverment which is hardly strugling with Russian language. The theater of the absurd.

    They exchanged their great common history to sweet smell going out from American ass. No problem, go on. We'll just look.

    PS: I usually not speak to "Uks" and won't continue this thread neither.
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  • @Randal

    You insist on ‘songs’ becayse you know there are innumerable examples I could use of other types of ‘speech’. Do you think singing something makes it special?
     
    I referred to songs because you wrote: "were this weird Chabloz woman to sing a similar song but about Muslims in Britain, she’d already be in prison, and her imprisonment would be uncontroversial".

    That's clearly false because hers is the first ever prosecution for uploading a song to the internet.

    And if you think you can find "innumerable" examples of similarly indirect but "offensive" speech about muslims resulting in people being "uncontroversially" locked up, do try to produce some examples. They won't support the case you originally put forward, but at least they will help to frame the discussion and demonstrate how far downhill we've already come under the influence of wannabe censors like the jewish and muslim identity lobbies, and the antiracism commissars.

    And yes, moving from potentially threatening face to face or overtly political speech to targeting satirical art (however controversially identified as such - I don't think rap, or a "piss Christ" is "art", myself) is a significant step downwards on the road to general censorship.

    Songs or speech, in person or online, no-one cares and indeed there is no rational difference. I support freedom in all, most people don’t, it’s not my fault.

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    Like I said, all you had to do on this occasion was make your first post here one agreeing with my criticism of the prosecution of Chabloz, which you have claimed you do not support.
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  • ZIONISM has corrupted Judaism…Zio ideology embedded into Judaism as to make them inseparable, …although many jews/non jews support Israel they do not accept it at the expense of a Palestinian Holocaust or the perpetual wars with the Arab states/populations to realize the greater Israel delusionary military aventurism…wordshipping Israel is a form of idolatry oppose by Judaism…

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    "...ZIONISM has corrupted Judaism..."

    That's not true at all. I'm the biggest Zionist you've ever seen. I want ALL Jews to go to Israel and stay there, (with apologies to the Palestinians). As for the Judaism, it was corrupt from the beginning because it was created by Jews. It's just the expression of their basic psychopathic corruption of the mind.

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  • @Rurik

    ZUS is our gov. – 911 proved it beyond doubt.
     
    yep

    After the fall, ZUS abused the ethnic divisions in these new states to create wars – Transnistria in Moldavia, Nagorno-Karabakh in Azerbaijan Chechnya in Russia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia in Georgia and now Donbass in Ukraine.
     
    allow yourself a light-hearted inner smile at the knowledge that John McCain is rotting from the inside out - of his evil little brain. Soon, he'll be dead and the rest of him will be rotting too!

    Normally, a man dying is not something all people everywhere should celebrate. But in the case of a particularly venomous snake on two legs, like the historically execrable John McCain... and considering all the death and misery and horrors this man is personally responsible for- not to mention all the broken hearts who lost loved ones as a direct result of John McCain's treasons and crimes. (And would lose in the future due to McCain's relentless war mongering..)

    I think it's safe to say that all people, no matter where on the planet, should all be happy and celebrate in our hearts that John McCain is dying, and will soon be dead. :)

    https://kathleenclarkexposed.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/mccain-atlantic1.png


    Ukraine’s ZUS Junta appears to be a weapon to get Russia angry since Russian speakers are largest non-Ukrainian speaking group in Ukraine. The people of Ukraine do not seem to notice that they are just being used as weapon.
     
    they're trying to provoke Putin in exactly the same way they provoked Hitler over the corridor, by fomenting atrocities against the people of Donbas, just like they committed atrocities against the German people in Danzig. I call it 'the rope a dope strategy, where they kill some of your people, and get you to defend your nationals, and then howl that you're being aggressive! and need to be stomped down.

    Thank God Putin is far too savvy for their pathetic schemes.

    And yes, it's very, very sad to see the people of Ukraine being suckered and used like dogs to serve the nefarious agenda of the ZUS. They want to feel like they're part of the bling-bling, HipHop, west. Where Beyoncé and JayZ will come and make them all feel soooo cool, and they can see their young people emulate thug/nigger culture and swim in Hollywood's cultural sewage.

    And you can't tell them how damaging it all is, to celebrate 'thug-life' losers and their whores and the homomania and spiritual rot that goes with it all.

    Our icons in the zio-west are egotistical cretins and gutter skanks, held up as heroes and roll models for children to emulate, and they're the lowest level of shit from our society. But just like with Weimar, when these people control your institutions, they drag everything down to the level of worm shit, and the next thing you know there are pedophiles everywhere. Just look at England or Hollywood. These places are so full of boy rapists that they're on a par with the Vatican!

    (ranting again.. : (

    I live in the hope each day that John McCain lives a long time, writhing in agony, as cancer eats one cell at a time in his deplorable being, as he suffers for all the pain and deaths he has wrought across the world in service of his jewish masters. Eternity will not be long enough.

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    I hope for a quick and painful death that sends him to eternal torture. Hopefully there is a hell. McCain needs to leave this life as soon as possible. It would be best if eternal torture were real, and he started right away.
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  • @Rurik
    sniveling coward hiding behind 'ANON' so as to veil its idiocy and bankrupt 'arguments'

    building seven was an OBVIOUS controlled demolition. Duh.

    9/11 was an inside job perpetrated by Israel with elements of the Bush administration and CIA and the criminals at the PNAC, FBI and other traitors

    all as a pretext to destroy seven countries in the Middle East that Satanic, murderous Israel doesn't like

    and this demonic agenda is continuing even today, as Trump shows his true colors as a traitor and war pig liar, who was lying to us all along.

    [may he rot in hell with his butt-buddy McCain]

    … and this demonic agenda is continuing even today, as Trump shows his true colors as a traitor and war pig liar, who was lying to us all along.

    It looks like you’ve reached a tipping point on Trump, Rurik.

    What has convinced you he has been lying all along?

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    Hey Geo,

    It looks like you’ve reached a tipping point on Trump, Rurik.

    What has convinced you he has been lying all along?
     

    this is from one of my other posts on Unz:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/a-us-jet-destroyed-a-russian-t-72-battle-tank-in-self-defense-in-syria-2018-2?r=UK&IR=T

    if Trump goes down this road, he is going without his former supporters

    the neocons are the enemy of the US republic, and if Trump is going to serve that master, then he is also an enemy to the US republic.

     

    if Trump escalates the war in Syria, I think he should know that (many, hopefully most of) his former supporters would consider that a deal breaker. Trump was elected to end the zio-wars, not escalate them.

    I don't care if he gives the ZUS economy 10% growth, and builds the wall and the stock market goes to unprecedented bubbles of fake wealth.

    If he sides with the Strategic Advisory Board of Genie Energy vs. the Rule of Law, and the people of the planet, then he's also a minion of the Fiend, and I will not lend support to the Fiend, or its execrable little toadies. Quite the opposite.

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  • @Tyrion 2

    (we’ll pass over the contradiction between your claim here and your previous claim that supporting “genuine” freedom of speech” didn’t require opposing Chabloz being prosecuted for uploading a song to the internet)
     
    I would never claim something so obviously false. Why are you lying about it?

    As a jew, of course, your objections would carry far greater weight with the CAA’s backers and enablers. If enough of you objected, that organisation would have to change its censorship promotion policies.
     
    I'm not very important but I try. What would you like me to do? Be realistic too, the lady clearly hates me for existing so I am not very likely to sacrifice my entire life for her to avoid a fine or whatever.

    This is pure fantasy on your part, since most Brits haven’t heard of Chabloz or her prosecution, because unlike previous prosecutions of artistic works there has been no elite outcry and very little reporting at all. Why do you think that might be?
     
    No-one considers it an artistic work of any quality at all...

    But my point was that mosy Brits would find that the words are hateful and because humans don't like hateful things they tens to ban them. This is not my preference even though can clearly recognise them as hateful.

    Some individual jews clearly don’t agree with this kind of censorship, and are backing her. But not enough, seemingly, to outweigh the ones who are quite happy with the organisation doing it in their name.
     
    I've actually caught thieves stealing from others before, even chasing them. I don't agree with theft. Still you could hardly blame me for not putting my all in to rescue the bag of a lady who dedicates her life to trying to persuade the world how disgusting I am. I imagine many Jews are struggling to be bothered...there are more important things.

    Still, what would you like for me to do?

    I would never claim something so obviously false. Why are you lying about it?

    That was the clear implication of your introduction of the notion of “genuine free speech”.

    Are you now clarifying that you did not do so with the intention of trying to introduce a distinction between “genuine” free speech and allowing people like Chabloz to not be prosecuted, which is what the context implied?

    Be realistic too, the lady clearly hates me for existing

    This is another iteration of the basic antiracist lie – disapproval dishonestly equated with hatred, and disapproval of group interests and the way they are pursued falsely conflated with personal hatred.

    In fact there’s no evidence whatsoever that Chabloz has any personal animus against jews individually, and indeed strong evidence to the contrary, since there are jewish individuals she is working with to fight this prosecution.

    Why would she “hate you for existing”? Why would she even particularly dislike you, if you aren’t actively part of, or a supporter of, the persecution she has faced, and if you aren’t part of the political activities she dislikes (in which case she’s as entitled to dislike you for that as anyone is entitled to dislike any political opponent for being such).

    No-one considers it an artistic work of any quality at all…

    This is an assertion that would have no importance even if it were true.

    But my point was that mosy Brits would find that the words are hateful and because humans don’t like hateful things they tens to ban them. This is not my preference even though can clearly recognise them as hateful.

    No, most people argue that even things of which they strongly disapprove should be allowed to be said. Indeed, this is the supposed official position of the British government and of the British elites, with hypocritical qualifiers only when the powerful wish to impose them.

    The fact remains that contrary to your suggestion the Chabloz prosecution absolutely is nothing ordinary for Britain, but represents a major downward step on the road to censorship that we are collectively travelling, largely impelled by jewish, muslim and other identity lobby groups along with various anti-racist etc political correctness zealots.

    Still, what would you like for me to do?

    Well, for instance the least you could probably do, when faced with an article specifically talking about what jews ought to be doing, and a comment referring to the disgraceful pushing by jewish organisations of censorship of speech they don’t like, is to come in and rather than trying to knock the comment criticising that behaviour, express your agreement with the criticism of the behaviour of the CAA and their ilk.

    But it’s not here that any action will be of any use. Most people here are well aware of the actions of jewish organisations trying to shut down speech they dislike. Really you should be making clear directly and personally to the various organisations that claim to represent you in this that CAA are not acting in your name in prosecuting Chabloz and similar speech suppression activities, and you will have no part of it and will not support those organisations if they continue to do it. If necessary you could join with likeminded jewish people (there must be lots of them based upon your assertion that jewish people generally support freedom of speech) to form rival organisations representing jewish interests that explicitly and honestly renounce and disapprove of actions promoting censorship.

    Obviously you don’t have to do any of that, but don’t be surprised if, when you and most of your fellows choose not to, observers recognise jewish claims to be devoted supporters of freedom of speech to be largely hypocrisy.

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    Are you now clarifying that you did not do so with the intention of trying to introduce a distinction between “genuine” free speech and allowing people like Chabloz to not be prosecuted, which is what the context implied?
     
    I never intended to imply the context you saw in it. Free speech is key to the civilization I love.

    This is an assertion that would have no importance even if it were true.
     
    It is important when we are discussing mass opinion...

    No, most people argue that even things of which they strongly disapprove should be allowed to be said. Indeed, this is the supposed official position of the British government and of the British elites, with hypocritical qualifiers only when the powerful wish to impose them.
     
    Very unfortunately, all evidence says otherwise.

    The fact remains that contrary to your suggestion the Chabloz prosecution absolutely is nothing ordinary for Britain, but represents a major downward step on the road to censorship

     

    It seems very much part to me of a tragically obvious trend.

    But it’s not here that any action will be of any use. Most people here are well aware of the actions of jewish organisations trying to shut down speech they dislike. Really you should be making clear directly and personally to the various organisations that claim to represent you in this that CAA are not acting in your name in prosecuting Chabloz and similar speech suppression activities, and you will have no part of it and will not support those organisations if they continue to do it. If necessary you could join with likeminded jewish people (there must be lots of them based upon your assertion that jewish people generally support freedom of speech) to form rival organisations representing jewish interests that explicitly and honestly renounce and disapprove of actions promoting censorship.

     

    I do this. In my own small way. Obviously I will not prove it. I am as scared of the thought police as you. My point really is that being Jewish does not save me from them, and I would appreciate being hated a bit less by my fellow opponents of the thought police, as the thought police is very far from a Jewish phenomenon.

    I've told my Rabbi off for political correctness and have done many other things. Some much more substantial. It just hurts a bit to be scapegoated for this nonsense given the real personal sacrifices I've made.

    Imagine you work quite hard to fix something and then you get clobbered on the internet by people who accuse you of making the problem you have worked so hard to obviate. It isn't fun.

    As for forming a rival Jewish organisation. I get it, but it isn't exactly key to my life and I prefer to work within standard British organisations. It tends to be more effective! Anyway, we'll see what I do this year!
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  • @Tyrion 2
    You insist on 'songs' becayse you know there are innumerable examples I could use of other types of 'speech'. Do you think singing something makes it special?

    You insist on ‘songs’ becayse you know there are innumerable examples I could use of other types of ‘speech’. Do you think singing something makes it special?

    I referred to songs because you wrote: “were this weird Chabloz woman to sing a similar song but about Muslims in Britain, she’d already be in prison, and her imprisonment would be uncontroversial“.

    That’s clearly false because hers is the first ever prosecution for uploading a song to the internet.

    And if you think you can find “innumerable” examples of similarly indirect but “offensive” speech about muslims resulting in people being “uncontroversially” locked up, do try to produce some examples. They won’t support the case you originally put forward, but at least they will help to frame the discussion and demonstrate how far downhill we’ve already come under the influence of wannabe censors like the jewish and muslim identity lobbies, and the antiracism commissars.

    And yes, moving from potentially threatening face to face or overtly political speech to targeting satirical art (however controversially identified as such – I don’t think rap, or a “piss Christ” is “art”, myself) is a significant step downwards on the road to general censorship.

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    Songs or speech, in person or online, no-one cares and indeed there is no rational difference. I support freedom in all, most people don't, it's not my fault.
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  • @L.K
    miro23

    I don’t doubt that one day the full story will be common knowledge, and taught in schools as the Great Treason.
     
    I do doubt. After all, many decades have gone by and 99.9% of zamericans probably don't know about the USS Liberty...

    Organized Jewry obviously dreads the day a substantial % of the zamerican populace found out that not only the official 9-11 account is false, but that the Zionists were the ones who did it.

    US Marine Corps veteran, Vietnam veteran, graduate of the US Army War College & a Director of Studies at the US Army War College for over 5 years, Dr. Alan Sabrosky, says that after studying the facts surrounding 9/11 he is 100% certain that ISRAEL DID IT.

    @1:14 more or less, Dr.Sabrosky says that if the American people find out about it, Zionism and Israel are finished.”it’ll be a brutal war, and they are gone”.
    .
    Listen to what he says:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jwieqSNpnM

    So, very high stakes for these folks, and they'll use all their power - which they have a lot of - so the Zamerican people never find out the truth.

    Do you want to see the faces of your gypsy brothers?
    Here it is!

    http://www.euronews.com/2018/02/12/eu-signs-border-agreement-with-albania

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  • @Randal

    I believe Chabloz should be free to sing her supposedly satirical songs.
     
    Ah well done (we'll pass over the contradiction between your claim here and your previous claim that supporting "genuine" freedom of speech" didn't require opposing Chabloz being prosecuted for uploading a song to the internet). Now let's see you actually give plausible evidence of that rather (on the face of your comments here so far) implausible claim by attacking the jewish identity lobby organisation that single handedly brought about the prosecution of Chabloz, in the name of jewish people - the Campaign Against Antisemitism.

    Because the whole reason Chabloz's prosecution was (unprecedentedly) a private prosecution by the CAA was because they had been badgering the CPS to prosecute for months without success and feared (probably with good reason) that the CPs would not do so.

    As a jew, of course, your objections would carry far greater weight with the CAA's backers and enablers. If enough of you objected, that organisation would have to change its censorship promotion policies.

    Most Britons don’t.
     
    This is pure fantasy on your part, since most Brits haven't heard of Chabloz or her prosecution, because unlike previous prosecutions of artistic works there has been no elite outcry and very little reporting at all. Why do you think that might be?

    Most British Jews probably also don’t but it is my experience that a greater proportion would support her right to be an idiot.
     
    Seems that they've a strange way of showing it if so, since she is being prosecuted in their name with very little high profile or organised outcry against the organisation operating in their name to push the prosecution. Jews must be proportionately much more aware of it than the wider population, since the CAA and its activities is well protected within the jewish community for fundraising purposes.

    Some individual jews clearly don't agree with this kind of censorship, and are backing her. But not enough, seemingly, to outweigh the ones who are quite happy with the organisation doing it in their name.

    (we’ll pass over the contradiction between your claim here and your previous claim that supporting “genuine” freedom of speech” didn’t require opposing Chabloz being prosecuted for uploading a song to the internet)

    I would never claim something so obviously false. Why are you lying about it?

    As a jew, of course, your objections would carry far greater weight with the CAA’s backers and enablers. If enough of you objected, that organisation would have to change its censorship promotion policies.

    I’m not very important but I try. What would you like me to do? Be realistic too, the lady clearly hates me for existing so I am not very likely to sacrifice my entire life for her to avoid a fine or whatever.

    This is pure fantasy on your part, since most Brits haven’t heard of Chabloz or her prosecution, because unlike previous prosecutions of artistic works there has been no elite outcry and very little reporting at all. Why do you think that might be?

    No-one considers it an artistic work of any quality at all…

    But my point was that mosy Brits would find that the words are hateful and because humans don’t like hateful things they tens to ban them. This is not my preference even though can clearly recognise them as hateful.

    Some individual jews clearly don’t agree with this kind of censorship, and are backing her. But not enough, seemingly, to outweigh the ones who are quite happy with the organisation doing it in their name.

    I’ve actually caught thieves stealing from others before, even chasing them. I don’t agree with theft. Still you could hardly blame me for not putting my all in to rescue the bag of a lady who dedicates her life to trying to persuade the world how disgusting I am. I imagine many Jews are struggling to be bothered…there are more important things.

    Still, what would you like for me to do?

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    I would never claim something so obviously false. Why are you lying about it?
     
    That was the clear implication of your introduction of the notion of "genuine free speech".

    Are you now clarifying that you did not do so with the intention of trying to introduce a distinction between "genuine" free speech and allowing people like Chabloz to not be prosecuted, which is what the context implied?

    Be realistic too, the lady clearly hates me for existing
     
    This is another iteration of the basic antiracist lie - disapproval dishonestly equated with hatred, and disapproval of group interests and the way they are pursued falsely conflated with personal hatred.

    In fact there's no evidence whatsoever that Chabloz has any personal animus against jews individually, and indeed strong evidence to the contrary, since there are jewish individuals she is working with to fight this prosecution.

    Why would she "hate you for existing"? Why would she even particularly dislike you, if you aren't actively part of, or a supporter of, the persecution she has faced, and if you aren't part of the political activities she dislikes (in which case she's as entitled to dislike you for that as anyone is entitled to dislike any political opponent for being such).

    No-one considers it an artistic work of any quality at all…
     
    This is an assertion that would have no importance even if it were true.

    But my point was that mosy Brits would find that the words are hateful and because humans don’t like hateful things they tens to ban them. This is not my preference even though can clearly recognise them as hateful.
     
    No, most people argue that even things of which they strongly disapprove should be allowed to be said. Indeed, this is the supposed official position of the British government and of the British elites, with hypocritical qualifiers only when the powerful wish to impose them.

    The fact remains that contrary to your suggestion the Chabloz prosecution absolutely is nothing ordinary for Britain, but represents a major downward step on the road to censorship that we are collectively travelling, largely impelled by jewish, muslim and other identity lobby groups along with various anti-racist etc political correctness zealots.


    Still, what would you like for me to do?
     
    Well, for instance the least you could probably do, when faced with an article specifically talking about what jews ought to be doing, and a comment referring to the disgraceful pushing by jewish organisations of censorship of speech they don't like, is to come in and rather than trying to knock the comment criticising that behaviour, express your agreement with the criticism of the behaviour of the CAA and their ilk.

    But it's not here that any action will be of any use. Most people here are well aware of the actions of jewish organisations trying to shut down speech they dislike. Really you should be making clear directly and personally to the various organisations that claim to represent you in this that CAA are not acting in your name in prosecuting Chabloz and similar speech suppression activities, and you will have no part of it and will not support those organisations if they continue to do it. If necessary you could join with likeminded jewish people (there must be lots of them based upon your assertion that jewish people generally support freedom of speech) to form rival organisations representing jewish interests that explicitly and honestly renounce and disapprove of actions promoting censorship.

    Obviously you don't have to do any of that, but don't be surprised if, when you and most of your fellows choose not to, observers recognise jewish claims to be devoted supporters of freedom of speech to be largely hypocrisy.
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  • @L.K

    "I imagine that British Jews are more supportive of genuine free speech than the average Briton. That certainly is my experience."
     
    pfff...buhaHAHAHHAHAHAHA

    Thanks for the laugh... you are a clown without the makeup!

    Only recounting my personal experience from conversation and so on…

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  • @Rurik

    People are arrested for inciting racial hatred on a literally daily basis.
     
    you mean like all the lies and smears and blood-libels that have been heaped upon the people of Germany for generations now?

    In a direct campaign to incite hatred against them? So as to 'justify' an ongoing campaign of extortion and humiliation? So as to enslave all generations of Germans to a devil's lie? And enslave them to perpetual servitude to Israel?

    that kind of "inciting racial hatred"?

    or the kind where you point out that the German people have been lied about and their character smeared by hatred-consumed, genocidal fiends doing to Palestinians what they claimed was done to them?

    and if you point out the lies, and tell the simple, honest truth..

    which is that Germany is being unfairly extorted, and their ancestors lied about, and all so that some racial supremacists can murder people and steal their land..

    that telling the truth is somehow "inciting racial hatred"? What about the racial hatred that has been incited against the Palestinians for the crime of existing? Eh?

    does that hatred and criminality ever register on your 'moral outrage meter'? And if not, why not?

    No idea what you’re talking about. I like Germany and I like Germans.

    I suppose they can be a bit humourless and I wish they would be both less self-righteous in their self-abnegation and less self-abnegatory. Is this what is called blood libel nowadays? Is it like how touching someone’s knee is now called rape?

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  • @Tyrion 2
    I imagine that British Jews are more supportive of genuine free speech than the average Briton. That certainly is my experience.

    Indeed, I imagine that British Jews are now more immigration restrictionist than the average Briton though they may only be more so than the average British urbanite, I can't be sure.

    Anecdotally, if we look at leaders of the 2 main parties this century, there have been 9 overall or which 2 have been Jewish. This is obviously very disproportionate. Yet those 2 have easily been the most immigrationist restrictionist leaders of their respective parties, which is even more disproportionate!

    Something for this Jew to be proud of.

    I imagine that British Jews are more supportive of genuine free speech than the average Briton. That certainly is my experience.

    These Jews are crazy – only a crazed person would say that Jews are for free speech in the UK. What a bold in your face lie! We all know that any negative speech against Israel is attacked by the Jew power structure.

    How stupid is it, to lie like that? It is irrational. What is going on? The Jew culture destroys their children with traumatic propaganda by the age of five. They are told the lie, that everyone wants to kill them. As a result when they grow up, they cannot recognize truth from fiction, when it comes to Jew tribal matters.

    What a sad bunch.

    Think Peace — Art

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  • @Randal

    People are arrested for inciting racial hatred on a literally daily basis. This song easily falls into the Overton window for what that means.
     
    Perhaps you should tell the CAA and the CPS that, then, because Chabloz is charged with Communications Act offences, not inciting racial hatred. Of course, the song doesn't fall into any "Overton Window" for inciting racial hatred at all, let alone any plausible legal definition, which is why Chabloz was not charged with that.

    And you still (inevitably) haven't produced any of the cases in which you claim people are "routinely" locked up in England for posting satirical songs about muslims to the internet. You made it up, either knowingly dishonestly or through sheer ignorance of what the law is and how it is enforced in this country.

    You've made it pretty clear that you personally support this kind of censorship of free speech, and you've previously indicated your belief that your views are pretty typical of jewish people in general. Which brings us back to the original point. If there are really large numbers of jewish people who actually do support freedom of speech then they ought to be shouting out their rejection of your position. Until and unless they do, observers will draw the conclusion that jews in general support speechcrime censorship, whatever they might claim in response to surveys, or pretend amongst themselves in self-congratulatory hypocrisy about "genuine freedom of speech".

    You insist on ‘songs’ becayse you know there are innumerable examples I could use of other types of ‘speech’. Do you think singing something makes it special?

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    You insist on ‘songs’ becayse you know there are innumerable examples I could use of other types of ‘speech’. Do you think singing something makes it special?
     
    I referred to songs because you wrote: "were this weird Chabloz woman to sing a similar song but about Muslims in Britain, she’d already be in prison, and her imprisonment would be uncontroversial".

    That's clearly false because hers is the first ever prosecution for uploading a song to the internet.

    And if you think you can find "innumerable" examples of similarly indirect but "offensive" speech about muslims resulting in people being "uncontroversially" locked up, do try to produce some examples. They won't support the case you originally put forward, but at least they will help to frame the discussion and demonstrate how far downhill we've already come under the influence of wannabe censors like the jewish and muslim identity lobbies, and the antiracism commissars.

    And yes, moving from potentially threatening face to face or overtly political speech to targeting satirical art (however controversially identified as such - I don't think rap, or a "piss Christ" is "art", myself) is a significant step downwards on the road to general censorship.
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  • @NoseytheDuke
    I cannot see why you've addressed this to me since my comment implied that all three buildings came down due to controlled demolition. I merely discussed the plane/drone concept.

    I do trust we can get to certain understanding, You have addressed me first. I have only elaborated.
    So please scratch out my name from your address book. I do not have to do that because your name was never in my address book. My impression is that you are extremely arrogant.
    I never paid any attention to your comments. But now I will have to because I am curios if your arrogance is justified.

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  • @Tyrion 2
    I imagine that British Jews are more supportive of genuine free speech than the average Briton. That certainly is my experience.

    Indeed, I imagine that British Jews are now more immigration restrictionist than the average Briton though they may only be more so than the average British urbanite, I can't be sure.

    Anecdotally, if we look at leaders of the 2 main parties this century, there have been 9 overall or which 2 have been Jewish. This is obviously very disproportionate. Yet those 2 have easily been the most immigrationist restrictionist leaders of their respective parties, which is even more disproportionate!

    Something for this Jew to be proud of.

    “I imagine that British Jews are more supportive of genuine free speech than the average Briton. That certainly is my experience.”

    pfff…buhaHAHAHHAHAHAHA

    Thanks for the laugh… you are a clown without the makeup!

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    Only recounting my personal experience from conversation and so on...
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  • @Tyrion 2
    I believe Chabloz should be free to sing her supposedly satirical songs.

    Most Britons don't.

    Most British Jews probably also don't but it is my experience that a greater proportion would support her right to be an idiot.

    Do you now understand?

    I believe Chabloz should be free to sing her supposedly satirical songs.

    Ah well done (we’ll pass over the contradiction between your claim here and your previous claim that supporting “genuine” freedom of speech” didn’t require opposing Chabloz being prosecuted for uploading a song to the internet). Now let’s see you actually give plausible evidence of that rather (on the face of your comments here so far) implausible claim by attacking the jewish identity lobby organisation that single handedly brought about the prosecution of Chabloz, in the name of jewish people – the Campaign Against Antisemitism.

    Because the whole reason Chabloz’s prosecution was (unprecedentedly) a private prosecution by the CAA was because they had been badgering the CPS to prosecute for months without success and feared (probably with good reason) that the CPs would not do so.

    As a jew, of course, your objections would carry far greater weight with the CAA’s backers and enablers. If enough of you objected, that organisation would have to change its censorship promotion policies.

    Most Britons don’t.

    This is pure fantasy on your part, since most Brits haven’t heard of Chabloz or her prosecution, because unlike previous prosecutions of artistic works there has been no elite outcry and very little reporting at all. Why do you think that might be?

    Most British Jews probably also don’t but it is my experience that a greater proportion would support her right to be an idiot.

    Seems that they’ve a strange way of showing it if so, since she is being prosecuted in their name with very little high profile or organised outcry against the organisation operating in their name to push the prosecution. Jews must be proportionately much more aware of it than the wider population, since the CAA and its activities is well protected within the jewish community for fundraising purposes.

    Some individual jews clearly don’t agree with this kind of censorship, and are backing her. But not enough, seemingly, to outweigh the ones who are quite happy with the organisation doing it in their name.

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    (we’ll pass over the contradiction between your claim here and your previous claim that supporting “genuine” freedom of speech” didn’t require opposing Chabloz being prosecuted for uploading a song to the internet)
     
    I would never claim something so obviously false. Why are you lying about it?

    As a jew, of course, your objections would carry far greater weight with the CAA’s backers and enablers. If enough of you objected, that organisation would have to change its censorship promotion policies.
     
    I'm not very important but I try. What would you like me to do? Be realistic too, the lady clearly hates me for existing so I am not very likely to sacrifice my entire life for her to avoid a fine or whatever.

    This is pure fantasy on your part, since most Brits haven’t heard of Chabloz or her prosecution, because unlike previous prosecutions of artistic works there has been no elite outcry and very little reporting at all. Why do you think that might be?
     
    No-one considers it an artistic work of any quality at all...

    But my point was that mosy Brits would find that the words are hateful and because humans don't like hateful things they tens to ban them. This is not my preference even though can clearly recognise them as hateful.

    Some individual jews clearly don’t agree with this kind of censorship, and are backing her. But not enough, seemingly, to outweigh the ones who are quite happy with the organisation doing it in their name.
     
    I've actually caught thieves stealing from others before, even chasing them. I don't agree with theft. Still you could hardly blame me for not putting my all in to rescue the bag of a lady who dedicates her life to trying to persuade the world how disgusting I am. I imagine many Jews are struggling to be bothered...there are more important things.

    Still, what would you like for me to do?
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  • @ANON
    Thanks to your dopey amateur's blundering around waving a few scientific factoids you make elementary errors like referring to the melting of steel when weakening is all that was required. You also seem unaware that the buildings were built in accordance with new 1960s discretionary standards which greatly reduced the safety margins more concrete could have provided. And where pray - at what level(s) - do you think demolition charges would have been placed, and does that accord with professional demolition practice? Can you not understand how thousands of tons of upper storeys gaining momentum as ther crash through the first floors that have given way because of weakness caused by heat are going to crumple the lower floors like paper vertically?

    BTW have you turned your mind to why clever plotters are going to add a potentially damaging diversion like WTC 7 to their essential plan?

    sniveling coward hiding behind ‘ANON’ so as to veil its idiocy and bankrupt ‘arguments’

    building seven was an OBVIOUS controlled demolition. Duh.

    9/11 was an inside job perpetrated by Israel with elements of the Bush administration and CIA and the criminals at the PNAC, FBI and other traitors

    all as a pretext to destroy seven countries in the Middle East that Satanic, murderous Israel doesn’t like

    and this demonic agenda is continuing even today, as Trump shows his true colors as a traitor and war pig liar, who was lying to us all along.

    [may he rot in hell with his butt-buddy McCain]

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    ... and this demonic agenda is continuing even today, as Trump shows his true colors as a traitor and war pig liar, who was lying to us all along.
     
    It looks like you’ve reached a tipping point on Trump, Rurik.

    What has convinced you he has been lying all along?
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  • @Tyrion 2
    People are arrested for inciting racial hatred on a literally daily basis. This song easily falls into the Overton window for what that means.

    People are arrested for inciting racial hatred on a literally daily basis. This song easily falls into the Overton window for what that means.

    Perhaps you should tell the CAA and the CPS that, then, because Chabloz is charged with Communications Act offences, not inciting racial hatred. Of course, the song doesn’t fall into any “Overton Window” for inciting racial hatred at all, let alone any plausible legal definition, which is why Chabloz was not charged with that.

    And you still (inevitably) haven’t produced any of the cases in which you claim people are “routinely” locked up in England for posting satirical songs about muslims to the internet. You made it up, either knowingly dishonestly or through sheer ignorance of what the law is and how it is enforced in this country.

    You’ve made it pretty clear that you personally support this kind of censorship of free speech, and you’ve previously indicated your belief that your views are pretty typical of jewish people in general. Which brings us back to the original point. If there are really large numbers of jewish people who actually do support freedom of speech then they ought to be shouting out their rejection of your position. Until and unless they do, observers will draw the conclusion that jews in general support speechcrime censorship, whatever they might claim in response to surveys, or pretend amongst themselves in self-congratulatory hypocrisy about “genuine freedom of speech”.

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    You insist on 'songs' becayse you know there are innumerable examples I could use of other types of 'speech'. Do you think singing something makes it special?
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  • @Tyrion 2
    People are arrested for inciting racial hatred on a literally daily basis. This song easily falls into the Overton window for what that means.

    People are arrested for inciting racial hatred on a literally daily basis.

    you mean like all the lies and smears and blood-libels that have been heaped upon the people of Germany for generations now?

    In a direct campaign to incite hatred against them? So as to ‘justify’ an ongoing campaign of extortion and humiliation? So as to enslave all generations of Germans to a devil’s lie? And enslave them to perpetual servitude to Israel?

    that kind of “inciting racial hatred”?

    or the kind where you point out that the German people have been lied about and their character smeared by hatred-consumed, genocidal fiends doing to Palestinians what they claimed was done to them?

    and if you point out the lies, and tell the simple, honest truth..

    which is that Germany is being unfairly extorted, and their ancestors lied about, and all so that some racial supremacists can murder people and steal their land..

    that telling the truth is somehow “inciting racial hatred”? What about the racial hatred that has been incited against the Palestinians for the crime of existing? Eh?

    does that hatred and criminality ever register on your ‘moral outrage meter’? And if not, why not?

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    No idea what you're talking about. I like Germany and I like Germans.

    I suppose they can be a bit humourless and I wish they would be both less self-righteous in their self-abnegation and less self-abnegatory. Is this what is called blood libel nowadays? Is it like how touching someone's knee is now called rape?
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    I believe Chabloz should be free to sing her supposedly satirical songs.

    Most Britons don't.

    Most British Jews probably also don't but it is my experience that a greater proportion would support her right to be an idiot.

    Do you now understand?

    “Eternal wandering liars haven’t got a clue, and when it comes to usury, victim’s always me and you’.”

    This falls clearly into the Overton window of inciting racial hatred and that is why she is in trouble.

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  • ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam J.
    Anonymous is a fat Jew liar. There were no massive fires burning all day. The steel weakened would have made no difference as the building fell as if it had NO support not weakened support. This means the fires would have had to burn so hot as to vaporize the steel columns into the same density as AIR.

    It's makes NO difference how big the fires were. The buildings density never reached the same value as air! The fires did not boil away the building structure where they were light as air! All the talk about damage, fires, this, that, all bullshit because the building fell with all four corners almost level the same speed as a rock in AIR. If a building falls as fast as a rock and the rock is falling through JUST AIR then the building is falling through JUST AIR also. Simple equivalence. 1=1, 2=2, big rock falling in air=small rock falling in air=building falling in air. One problem is people sometimes believe that a really heavy thing will fall faster than a lighter thing. Not true. Look at this video of the Apollo astronaut dropping a feather and a hammer on the Moon. They land at the same time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk

    Here’s a video of reporters going into building #7 AFTER the North tower supposedly fell on it and destroyed it sufficiently enough for it to collapse completely. Look at :54 you see the #7 for the building on the door.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLqGRv7CQlc

    Now you’ve seen video of the inside where there is NO massive damage to make all four sides of the building fall. You want pictures of the back? Here’s a picture of the South side of building #7, facing the North tower, after it had fallen. There is no huge gaping hole. There is no massive fire going all the way up the building. So you can’t say it’s the South side and we have plenty of video and pictures of the North side of building #7 pictures with no damage at all.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/b7_nofire.jpg

    Here’ another NIST FOIA released video taken between one and two hours before building #7 fell. There’s around three floors on fire.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IssGRpcB_ms

    (Watch the reporter pan up at 2:54. You can clearly see the whole building is not on fire. This side shown is the North side of building #7. Later you can see the fires mostly around three or four floors only and in isolated spots.)
    If the fires were hot enough to melt steel then why isn’t the glass in the windows melted? Glass melts at an extremely lower temperature that steel. Ever put a metal can and a glass bottle in a campfire? The glass bottle melts but the steel can will still be intact. These fires were no hotter than a campfire. One last video of all sides from 23 angles also showing the miraculous collapse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLcUxV1dPo

    Fireman retired so now he can talk. He was right next to the damn building. Says,”…there was an explosion and the building came down…”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrpLp-X0ws

    For more info look at a site by some engineers that lay out the evidence.

    http://www.ae911truth.org/

    Thanks to your dopey amateur’s blundering around waving a few scientific factoids you make elementary errors like referring to the melting of steel when weakening is all that was required. You also seem unaware that the buildings were built in accordance with new 1960s discretionary standards which greatly reduced the safety margins more concrete could have provided. And where pray – at what level(s) – do you think demolition charges would have been placed, and does that accord with professional demolition practice? Can you not understand how thousands of tons of upper storeys gaining momentum as ther crash through the first floors that have given way because of weakness caused by heat are going to crumple the lower floors like paper vertically?

    BTW have you turned your mind to why clever plotters are going to add a potentially damaging diversion like WTC 7 to their essential plan?

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    sniveling coward hiding behind 'ANON' so as to veil its idiocy and bankrupt 'arguments'

    building seven was an OBVIOUS controlled demolition. Duh.

    9/11 was an inside job perpetrated by Israel with elements of the Bush administration and CIA and the criminals at the PNAC, FBI and other traitors

    all as a pretext to destroy seven countries in the Middle East that Satanic, murderous Israel doesn't like

    and this demonic agenda is continuing even today, as Trump shows his true colors as a traitor and war pig liar, who was lying to us all along.

    [may he rot in hell with his butt-buddy McCain]
    , @Sam J.
    "... dopey amateur’s blundering around waving a few scientific factoids you make elementary errors like referring to the melting of steel when weakening is all that was required. .."

    HAHAHAHa

    You're either a buffoon, a liar or both. You don't understand gravity. What a putz. What an illiterate. I suppose, since you don't understand gravity, that you think you can fly! Listen.. This is not your dream. You can't fly.

    I guess i will have to explain it to you veerrryyy simply. Very slowly. Gravity is a force that acts on ALL objects exactly the same. Exactly the same. You know Galileo and all that. Newton, basic stuff. There are only "two" variables that concern us on the behavior of something falling n a gravity field. The gravity field and the resistance to falling by the media, this means air, water, molasses, whatever, the object is falling in. Now we, in this case, are talking about air. So building 7 fell the same speed as a rock dropped, in air, for roughly 108 feet on 9-11. Now we KNOW that the gravity field is the same. We know the building fell the same as a rock in air and the building was in the same air. So if the building fell the same as the rock what held up the building? Remember only two variables and so if the rock fell and was held up by air and the building fell the same what was the build held up by...AIR. That's right the building was only held up by air. Well we all know the damn build wasn't floating in the air. We also know that the buildings columns were made of steel with concrete reinforcement at various places and was NOT boiled away by the tiny fire so that the steel columns had the exact same density as air, remember the build fell the same speed as if it were only held up by air, this means the builds support MUST have been demoed in some way. The building had NO support but air when it fell.

    All you've proven by attacking me about building 7 is you are either a dumb ass or a liar. Both are reasons that we should get rid of the Jews. I'm weary of the constant lies and distortions of the Jews. We must find a way to get rid of them so we can have some peace and quite away for these maniac psychopaths.

    I remembered this quote. I'm going to start using it a lot.

    Joseph Goebbels:
    On the "Big Lie"

    "“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it..."

    Oooops. Unfortunately they always leave out the best part of what Goebbels said. He's the rest of the quote,

    "...The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    Looks like your lies are breaking down as the State is NOT able to..."shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie."
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  • @Randal

    I imagine that British Jews are more supportive of genuine free speech than the average Briton. That certainly is my experience.
     
    ROFL! "Genuine free speech", forsooth!

    "Free speech except for people saying things we don't like" is of course exactly the position adopted by high profile jewish lobby organisations, and implicitly approved by you in your reply to my first post above, and in your own pointed refusal to take the opportunity to distance yourself from it.

    It's not supporting free speech, it's hypocrisy, pure and simple.

    You are probably correct, though, based upon the evidence around us such as the Chabloz prosecution and jewish organisational support for speechcrime laws, that it is likely the actual position of many jewish people on freedom of speech.

    If and when somebody is actually locked up for singing an anti-muslim song in this country, as you rather absurdly fantasised above is already "routine" in this country, then most likely it will be done based upon the precedent currently being set by the jewish identity lobby group the Campaign Against Antisemitism, if they are successful in their unprecedented attempt to prosecute Alison Chabloz, apparently with your personal approval.

    No doubt you will be proud that some more "ungenuine free speech" has ben properly punished.

    I believe Chabloz should be free to sing her supposedly satirical songs.

    Most Britons don’t.

    Most British Jews probably also don’t but it is my experience that a greater proportion would support her right to be an idiot.

    Do you now understand?

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    "Eternal wandering liars haven't got a clue, and when it comes to usury, victim's always me and you'."

    This falls clearly into the Overton window of inciting racial hatred and that is why she is in trouble.
    , @Randal

    I believe Chabloz should be free to sing her supposedly satirical songs.
     
    Ah well done (we'll pass over the contradiction between your claim here and your previous claim that supporting "genuine" freedom of speech" didn't require opposing Chabloz being prosecuted for uploading a song to the internet). Now let's see you actually give plausible evidence of that rather (on the face of your comments here so far) implausible claim by attacking the jewish identity lobby organisation that single handedly brought about the prosecution of Chabloz, in the name of jewish people - the Campaign Against Antisemitism.

    Because the whole reason Chabloz's prosecution was (unprecedentedly) a private prosecution by the CAA was because they had been badgering the CPS to prosecute for months without success and feared (probably with good reason) that the CPs would not do so.

    As a jew, of course, your objections would carry far greater weight with the CAA's backers and enablers. If enough of you objected, that organisation would have to change its censorship promotion policies.

    Most Britons don’t.
     
    This is pure fantasy on your part, since most Brits haven't heard of Chabloz or her prosecution, because unlike previous prosecutions of artistic works there has been no elite outcry and very little reporting at all. Why do you think that might be?

    Most British Jews probably also don’t but it is my experience that a greater proportion would support her right to be an idiot.
     
    Seems that they've a strange way of showing it if so, since she is being prosecuted in their name with very little high profile or organised outcry against the organisation operating in their name to push the prosecution. Jews must be proportionately much more aware of it than the wider population, since the CAA and its activities is well protected within the jewish community for fundraising purposes.

    Some individual jews clearly don't agree with this kind of censorship, and are backing her. But not enough, seemingly, to outweigh the ones who are quite happy with the organisation doing it in their name.
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  • @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Taras Bulba was written by Taras Shevchenko Not Gogol.
    I am right and Wikipedia is wrong and there was another stupidity Gogol did not write overcoat.
    Overcoat was written by Lermontov.

    And You are nor Russian and you do not know anything about Russia and Russian literature.
    There are very little facts Wikipedia about Russia or Russian literature that are correct. Most of it is BS.

    You are funny -))
    Ok, leave you in your virtual world, argue on such things is out of sense.

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  • @Randal

    The Salman Rushdie stuff was decades ago…that you chose it as your example proves my point…
     
    It doesn't, of course, but the fact that you try to pretend it does rather than answering the question I put to you is telling I suppose.

    If you want to try to support your frankly absurd assertion that "were this weird Chabloz woman to sing a similar song but about Muslims in Britain, she’d already be in prison, and her imprisonment would be uncontroversial", it's up to you to produce some examples of people sent to prison here for singing songs on the internet about muslims (and satirical ones, not songs advocating violence or crime, at that).

    You can't, of course, because your assertion was as I noted, flat out false.

    I'm not sure if it's more condemnatory of you that you should be so dishonest as to do so intentionally, or that you should be so profoundly ignorant of the society around you that you actually believed what you wrote.

    People are arrested for inciting racial hatred on a literally daily basis. This song easily falls into the Overton window for what that means.

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    People are arrested for inciting racial hatred on a literally daily basis.
     
    you mean like all the lies and smears and blood-libels that have been heaped upon the people of Germany for generations now?

    In a direct campaign to incite hatred against them? So as to 'justify' an ongoing campaign of extortion and humiliation? So as to enslave all generations of Germans to a devil's lie? And enslave them to perpetual servitude to Israel?

    that kind of "inciting racial hatred"?

    or the kind where you point out that the German people have been lied about and their character smeared by hatred-consumed, genocidal fiends doing to Palestinians what they claimed was done to them?

    and if you point out the lies, and tell the simple, honest truth..

    which is that Germany is being unfairly extorted, and their ancestors lied about, and all so that some racial supremacists can murder people and steal their land..

    that telling the truth is somehow "inciting racial hatred"? What about the racial hatred that has been incited against the Palestinians for the crime of existing? Eh?

    does that hatred and criminality ever register on your 'moral outrage meter'? And if not, why not?
    , @Randal

    People are arrested for inciting racial hatred on a literally daily basis. This song easily falls into the Overton window for what that means.
     
    Perhaps you should tell the CAA and the CPS that, then, because Chabloz is charged with Communications Act offences, not inciting racial hatred. Of course, the song doesn't fall into any "Overton Window" for inciting racial hatred at all, let alone any plausible legal definition, which is why Chabloz was not charged with that.

    And you still (inevitably) haven't produced any of the cases in which you claim people are "routinely" locked up in England for posting satirical songs about muslims to the internet. You made it up, either knowingly dishonestly or through sheer ignorance of what the law is and how it is enforced in this country.

    You've made it pretty clear that you personally support this kind of censorship of free speech, and you've previously indicated your belief that your views are pretty typical of jewish people in general. Which brings us back to the original point. If there are really large numbers of jewish people who actually do support freedom of speech then they ought to be shouting out their rejection of your position. Until and unless they do, observers will draw the conclusion that jews in general support speechcrime censorship, whatever they might claim in response to surveys, or pretend amongst themselves in self-congratulatory hypocrisy about "genuine freedom of speech".
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  • @Robjil
    I agree with your critique. ZUS is our gov. - 911 proved it beyond doubt. The Soviet Union made a big mistake with some of republics it created. They were not meant to be countries but rather as administrative areas. After the fall, ZUS abused the ethnic divisions in these new states to create wars - Transnistria in Moldavia, Nagorno-Karabakh in Azerbaijan Chechnya in Russia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia in Georgia and now Donbass in Ukraine. France after its revolution, was divided into a 100 tiny bits related only to geography so its ethnic groups could never break away easily as independent countries. The Soviet Union did not do that. Galicia, as a Soviet republic,would have been a nice small bit that would have broken off with not much trouble to the world. Yugoslavia had a fractured history like Ukraine. ZUS allowed it to be broken into seven bits and it was only half the size of Ukraine. Most Ukrainians would welcome a similar thing if "allowed" by ZUS. Enforcing the culture of small Galicia by Ukraine's ZUS Junta appears to be a weapon to get Russia angry since Russian speakers are largest non-Ukrainian speaking group in Ukraine. The people of Ukraine do not seem to notice that they are just being used as weapon.

    ZUS is our gov. – 911 proved it beyond doubt.

    yep

    After the fall, ZUS abused the ethnic divisions in these new states to create wars – Transnistria in Moldavia, Nagorno-Karabakh in Azerbaijan Chechnya in Russia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia in Georgia and now Donbass in Ukraine.

    allow yourself a light-hearted inner smile at the knowledge that John McCain is rotting from the inside out – of his evil little brain. Soon, he’ll be dead and the rest of him will be rotting too!

    Normally, a man dying is not something all people everywhere should celebrate. But in the case of a particularly venomous snake on two legs, like the historically execrable John McCain… and considering all the death and misery and horrors this man is personally responsible for- not to mention all the broken hearts who lost loved ones as a direct result of John McCain’s treasons and crimes. (And would lose in the future due to McCain’s relentless war mongering..)

    I think it’s safe to say that all people, no matter where on the planet, should all be happy and celebrate in our hearts that John McCain is dying, and will soon be dead. :)

    Ukraine’s ZUS Junta appears to be a weapon to get Russia angry since Russian speakers are largest non-Ukrainian speaking group in Ukraine. The people of Ukraine do not seem to notice that they are just being used as weapon.

    they’re trying to provoke Putin in exactly the same way they provoked Hitler over the corridor, by fomenting atrocities against the people of Donbas, just like they committed atrocities against the German people in Danzig. I call it ‘the rope a dope strategy, where they kill some of your people, and get you to defend your nationals, and then howl that you’re being aggressive! and need to be stomped down.

    Thank God Putin is far too savvy for their pathetic schemes.

    And yes, it’s very, very sad to see the people of Ukraine being suckered and used like dogs to serve the nefarious agenda of the ZUS. They want to feel like they’re part of the bling-bling, HipHop, west. Where Beyoncé and JayZ will come and make them all feel soooo cool, and they can see their young people emulate thug/nigger culture and swim in Hollywood’s cultural sewage.

    And you can’t tell them how damaging it all is, to celebrate ‘thug-life’ losers and their whores and the homomania and spiritual rot that goes with it all.

    Our icons in the zio-west are egotistical cretins and gutter skanks, held up as heroes and roll models for children to emulate, and they’re the lowest level of shit from our society. But just like with Weimar, when these people control your institutions, they drag everything down to the level of worm shit, and the next thing you know there are pedophiles everywhere. Just look at England or Hollywood. These places are so full of boy rapists that they’re on a par with the Vatican!

    (ranting again.. : (

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    I live in the hope each day that John McCain lives a long time, writhing in agony, as cancer eats one cell at a time in his deplorable being, as he suffers for all the pain and deaths he has wrought across the world in service of his jewish masters. Eternity will not be long enough.
    , @Sam J.
    A perceptive quote by Putin on the illegal coup in Ukrainian by the Jews.

    "...they plunged the country into chaos, into economic and social collapse, into a civil war with enormous casualties..."..."...Apparently, those who constantly throw together new ‘colour revolutions’ consider themselves ‘brilliant artists’ and simply cannot stop..."
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  • ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @lavoisier
    This is a very interesting discussion. The link between significant scientific achievement, ethnicity, and IQ.

    I do not doubt that Jews will be disproportionately represented at the higher end of the Bell Curve and that this association will correlate with significant scientific achievement.

    But there is another factor that may be at play in the winning of Nobel prizes that is seldom discussed. Just as Ron Unz has shown favoritism towards Jews at admission to the Ivy League, significant scientific achievement in the modern age often requires large well funded labs. I suspect, but have no proof, that there is likely to be favoritism and nepotism at work in grant funding in the United States that may favor Jewish scientists. This might play a role in the disproportionate amount of Jewish scientists who win nobel prizes.

    But that would be another study for another day. Perhaps Ron Unz or Steve Sailer could look into the grant process in the US and explore whether Jewish scientists are more likely to be funded than the non-Jewish scientists?? And if so, what is the reason for the disparity??

    It might not be too difficult to do a preliminary check with Wikipedia.

    It would be very surprising if the potential funding bias (and I don’t dispute the theoretical possibility of it occurring via old WASP foundations like Rockefeller or Ford; cp. “Capture” of the Ivies) had begun before the 70s or 80s.

    The unsupported suggestion made earlier about direct Jewish influence on the awards has in fact prompted another theoretical speculation. Just as Harvey Weinstein is supposed to have mastered the art of Oscar lobbying maybe there is the equivalent in the nomination and deliberation stages for the Nobels. Who would do it? It is not something that one would expect a Sheldon Adelson to be good at but he could easily put a retired university president with prestige in STEM to sit on a $10 million foundation dedicated to promoting promising scientists’ careers….

    Hey…. why go to all the bother? Let’s make it up!

    For a mini thesis I suggest a study of all the Nobels now seen to be duds to see if there are any explanatory themes which emerge from their back stories.

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    I do not think there are many duds given scientific Nobels--Physics, Chemistry, Medicine. But I often wonder if antecedent and novel scientific work could have been dishonestly expropriated by another laying claim to an original idea that was not original.

    Fraud happens in science just like it does in finance. And just because you may be brilliant, it might not stop you from taking an idea from another scientist and claiming it as your own.
    , @lavoisier

    Hey…. why go to all the bother? Let’s make it up!
     
    I would prefer to ask the question and have it answered intelligently.

    If you think there is no bias in the awarding of scientific grants you would have to come up with a much more substantial argument than what you have presented. In fact, you presented nothing.

    And cut out the satire, you are not very good at it.
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