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    John Kerry’s speech of December 28th, 2016 is an eye-opening indictment of Israel. Though prolix and padded with platitudes, its meat is a long overdue j’accuse. Much of the world has long viewed the Jewish state as a serial landgrabbing killer. Indirectly, Kerry converged with this near consensus, “the settler agenda is defining the future...
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    Most of Syria is part of the "Promised Land" described in the Bible. So it belongs to the Jews! Israel openly annexed Syria's Golan Heights many years ago and the world did nothing except refuse to recognize this. Does this explain Obama's senseless support for the overthrow of popular and moderate President Assad by arming foreign Jihadists? Note that Israel conducts airstrikes in Syria on a weekly basis, and even missile attacks. http://defense-update.com/20161208_israels-precision-rockets.html

    When "radical" ISIS reached Israel's border two years ago, these hard core Islamist didn't attempt to cross. They never fired mortars, rockets, or bullets across the fence. Israel even provided medical aid to wounded ISIS Jihadists.

    If Assad goes, so goes Syria. It would be a chaotic mess and Israel would be justified to invade to establish a huge "security zone", now cleared of Syrians killed or refugeed. Jewish settlements would appear in these occupied territories, as they did in the Golan. None of this is disclosed or discussed in the American media. But it does explain why nearly all American political leaders chant "Assad Must Go!" yet refuse to explain why.

    yes most of the world is the promised land of zeonists, the greedy destructive monsters!

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  • In Marseilles, I met an illegal immigrant from Nghe An. He said his boss and housemates in Paris were all from the same province. Long known for its poverty, Nghe An leads Vietnam in the ratio of people working overseas, with most never returning. In fact, so many have become illegal in South Korea, Vietnam...
  • @daniel le mouche
    Hi Che,
    I would say the main thing about America these days is that it's deathly boring. All the bars are shit, tv's blaring, all that. That said, there are lots of interesting people if you look. I can't really say, it has changed a hell of a lot since I was a kid. But there's no intersting street scene--pretty much anywhere. There are lots of DANGEROUS street scenes, all over the place, in sections of any big city. But for interest, and danger, I'd recommend Philly, Chicago and NY are too nice and gentrified now, though through Linh it seems Philly's largely gentrified now too. But the out of the way places, throughout the middle of the country, get my vote generally, though again, I'm way out of touch and live abroad.

    By the way, I am liking what may be called recent American gothic fiction. One thati f is particurly coming to mind is a story titled ‘The Bone Man ‘, I forget the writer’s name, but if you are to look up the title and Fantasy and Science Fiction, you will find it. When I read it, I hear the sounds.

    Also, many works by Lucius Sheppard (my spelling of, probably wrong on surname spelling wrong, many stories brilliant, not all.

    So, I was wanting to continue supporting the mag. with money, but too much PC bs. Half-truths.

    If you are reading fiction in English language, I am recommending the above.

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  • @Whoever

    Two of my uncles were KIA ARVNs.
     
    Vietnamese-Americans die for our country, too. I don't know how you feel about that, considering the ambivalence I detect in your writings about America. Ron Unz, I suppose, would just consider them losers, based on comments of his such as this one (231): "My impression is that nearly all of America’s volunteer servicemen are joining because they can’t find jobs after high school or can’t afford college or want an inside track to a well-paid government job. Fighting and dying isn’t something for which they signed up."

    Some of us have a different point of view.

    Cpl Tevan L. Nguyen, 21, of Hutto, Texas, assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force, Camp Pendleton, California; departed this life, Tuesday 28 December 2010, from mortal wounds incurred in an area of fierce aggression, while facing an enemy combatant stronghold the Taliban was unwilling to give up in Helmand Province, Afghanistan.


    https://twitter.com/TerranceCreamer/status/947274000497041408

    United States Marine Corps Corporal Tevan Lee Nguyen

    I feel our leaders look at human life as capital to be invested. It looks good if we leave dead so we can create memorials, which in turn invest the communities back home. We didn’t just come and kill the locals. We died too. No one dies for nothing right? It works and keeps the supply intact. Is this more unfeeling than what Ron Unz has said? Yeah, maybe so. But he is essentially right. No one has signed on to be killed. It is because they did die for nothing that it is so sad. That they didn’t find something better to live for. It seems like there should be something.

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  • @Si1ver1ock
    Interesting. If I were traveling about, I would probably ask a few question also. One thing I'd ask (discreetly) is what do local engineers think of 911? In other words I'd like to know how the rest of the world views 911 Truth. Sort of a project. I wonder what kind of reaction you would get. Are people open about it? Do they become defensive, refuse to talk about it?

    Recently, the US has released UFO footage what do people think of that? There were many reports of UFOs in Vietnam during the war. Do they have any stories? I'd also ask about strange events lights in the sky, local legends, strange happenings etc.

    Maybe Linh could start a website/Magazine Paranormal Asia.

    I assume that the rest of the world considers 9/11 total BS. In other countries they do not believe their media or see it as it rightfully is, government propaganda. Most likely the official story in most other countries is controlled demolition and they don’t even consider it a conspiracy. Simply good old government doing what it does. Another great article by Linh Dinh. I love how you notice everything. Nothing is mundane or beneath comment. Often depressing but oddly hopeful at the same time. What I find most striking is how much you understand.

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  • @Che Guava
    Thanks for the comment, but as you are saying.

    From years ago, my dream visit to the U.S.A. was to be to flyover country', I decided, in successron, not really interested in Noo Yawk, man, other cities too dangerous if not having *very* much money and not knowing where to be to avoid danger. Linh's tales of Philadelphia were making me think that woul d be an interesting place to visit, but as a total stranger without any local knowledge, do not think so.

    Despite Jonathan R.'s kind reply and comment about small percentages of Somalis and Sudanese in the U.S.A. popullation, if there, would sure want to avoid places where they are concentrated.

    I wouldn’t worry one iota about Somalis or other Africans, it’s American blacks that you need to be extremely wary of–they’re often, very often, nasty, aggressive mo fo’s. And Philly’s one of America’s blackest cities.

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  • Thanks for the comment, but as you are saying.

    From years ago, my dream visit to the U.S.A. was to be to flyover country’, I decided, in successron, not really interested in Noo Yawk, man, other cities too dangerous if not having *very* much money and not knowing where to be to avoid danger. Linh’s tales of Philadelphia were making me think that woul d be an interesting place to visit, but as a total stranger without any local knowledge, do not think so.

    Despite Jonathan R.’s kind reply and comment about small percentages of Somalis and Sudanese in the U.S.A. popullation, if there, would sure want to avoid places where they are concentrated.

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    I wouldn't worry one iota about Somalis or other Africans, it's American blacks that you need to be extremely wary of--they're often, very often, nasty, aggressive mo fo's. And Philly's one of America's blackest cities.
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  • @Che Guava
    Thank you Jonathon,

    Point taken. However, my impressions of the U.S.A. at more local level are not from this site, but more occasional reading of (X-ray through half-truths) english-language MSM.

    Hi Che,
    I would say the main thing about America these days is that it’s deathly boring. All the bars are shit, tv’s blaring, all that. That said, there are lots of interesting people if you look. I can’t really say, it has changed a hell of a lot since I was a kid. But there’s no intersting street scene–pretty much anywhere. There are lots of DANGEROUS street scenes, all over the place, in sections of any big city. But for interest, and danger, I’d recommend Philly, Chicago and NY are too nice and gentrified now, though through Linh it seems Philly’s largely gentrified now too. But the out of the way places, throughout the middle of the country, get my vote generally, though again, I’m way out of touch and live abroad.

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    By the way, I am liking what may be called recent American gothic fiction. One thati f is particurly coming to mind is a story titled 'The Bone Man ', I forget the writer's name, but if you are to look up the title and Fantasy and Science Fiction, you will find it. When I read it, I hear the sounds.

    Also, many works by Lucius Sheppard (my spelling of, probably wrong on surname spelling wrong, many stories brilliant, not all.

    So, I was wanting to continue supporting the mag. with money, but too much PC bs. Half-truths.


    If you are reading fiction in English language, I am recommending the above.
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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    even country towns have been pumped full of Somali and Sudanese and
     
    Dude, there are 129,000 Somalis in all of the U.S.A. apparently. And even fewer Sudanese. The two groups combined are way less than 0.1% of the population. (I only know that because I just looked it up.)

    I mean, regardless of what you think of those people (frankly, I suspect you never knew any personally) they can't be causing much of the problems in the U.S. because there are hardly any of them!

    For sure, if I ever get the time, I need to research places to avoid.
     
    If it's Somalis or Sudanese you are worrying about, I would relax. You're unlikely to run into any of them unless you make a point of going and looking for them deliberately.

    But, you know, generally speaking, I can tell you, as a seasoned traveler, having traveled in dozens of different countries, there is fairly little need to research which places to avoid. Granted, there are areas where a tourist would be better off not going, but there is little need to actively research that, because, in practice, you don't go there simply because there is no reason to go there.

    For example, Linh and I were in Marseilles and went to what is allegedly the worst neighborhood in all of France, Félix Pyat. We had a look around the area, stopped in a bar had a couple of beers, chatted with the barman. Linh wrote about it. But we didn't randomly end up in that area. This actually was a result of deliberately seeking out a very dodgy part of Marseilles to go have a look, where the poor ethnic immigrants live etc.

    If you just go as a normal tourist to the south of France, there is no need to research where these areas are to avoid them. You never go to such an area because you never have any reason to go there! There is nothing there of any touristic interest. Well, unless you are a very special kind of "tourist" à la Linh Dinh, that is...

    I think you should go to America, and travel more generally, because you'll probably then figure out that much of crank stuff that appears on this website is not to be taken so seriously.

    Thank you Jonathon,

    Point taken. However, my impressions of the U.S.A. at more local level are not from this site, but more occasional reading of (X-ray through half-truths) english-language MSM.

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    Hi Che,
    I would say the main thing about America these days is that it's deathly boring. All the bars are shit, tv's blaring, all that. That said, there are lots of interesting people if you look. I can't really say, it has changed a hell of a lot since I was a kid. But there's no intersting street scene--pretty much anywhere. There are lots of DANGEROUS street scenes, all over the place, in sections of any big city. But for interest, and danger, I'd recommend Philly, Chicago and NY are too nice and gentrified now, though through Linh it seems Philly's largely gentrified now too. But the out of the way places, throughout the middle of the country, get my vote generally, though again, I'm way out of touch and live abroad.
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  • @Linh Dinh
    Hi gdpbull,

    The losing side doesn't get to honor its victims, and its story is grossly distorted. As a kid, I remember the statue of a sitting ARVN soldier at the entrance to the military cemetery in Thu Duc. As with all other ARVN statues, it's gone. Two of my uncles were KIA ARVNs.

    The American South is still caricatured and mocked a century and a half after its defeat.

    Linh

    Two of my uncles were KIA ARVNs.

    Vietnamese-Americans die for our country, too. I don’t know how you feel about that, considering the ambivalence I detect in your writings about America. Ron Unz, I suppose, would just consider them losers, based on comments of his such as this one (231): “My impression is that nearly all of America’s volunteer servicemen are joining because they can’t find jobs after high school or can’t afford college or want an inside track to a well-paid government job. Fighting and dying isn’t something for which they signed up.”

    Some of us have a different point of view.

    Cpl Tevan L. Nguyen, 21, of Hutto, Texas, assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force, Camp Pendleton, California; departed this life, Tuesday 28 December 2010, from mortal wounds incurred in an area of fierce aggression, while facing an enemy combatant stronghold the Taliban was unwilling to give up in Helmand Province, Afghanistan.

    United States Marine Corps Corporal Tevan Lee Nguyen

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    • Replies: @MacNucc11
    I feel our leaders look at human life as capital to be invested. It looks good if we leave dead so we can create memorials, which in turn invest the communities back home. We didn't just come and kill the locals. We died too. No one dies for nothing right? It works and keeps the supply intact. Is this more unfeeling than what Ron Unz has said? Yeah, maybe so. But he is essentially right. No one has signed on to be killed. It is because they did die for nothing that it is so sad. That they didn't find something better to live for. It seems like there should be something.
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  • @Che Guava
    Thank you Daniel,

    My impression was formed some years before I was finding this sIte. Happy to see somebody else has noticed. Wonder where he gets the cash?

    I see great American writing on the Web, occasionaly have met one in Japan, or ovenseas who has a true heart. Don't mistake me, I would love to visit the U.S.A. before I am shuffling off this mortal coil. Am anti-American polity (MIIC), not anti American people at all.

    Though I gather that many places that may have been nice to visit once (e.g. Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit) are wrecks, and even country towns have been pumped full of Somali and Sudanese and other exporters of their own problems, so one would not want to ever be there.

    For sure, if I ever get the time, I need to research places to avoid.

    How prophetic the movie Robocop was of the reality of Detroit now is dark humour.

    ... except for the depiction of whites and latinos as being in charge of it.

    even country towns have been pumped full of Somali and Sudanese and

    Dude, there are 129,000 Somalis in all of the U.S.A. apparently. And even fewer Sudanese. The two groups combined are way less than 0.1% of the population. (I only know that because I just looked it up.)

    I mean, regardless of what you think of those people (frankly, I suspect you never knew any personally) they can’t be causing much of the problems in the U.S. because there are hardly any of them!

    For sure, if I ever get the time, I need to research places to avoid.

    If it’s Somalis or Sudanese you are worrying about, I would relax. You’re unlikely to run into any of them unless you make a point of going and looking for them deliberately.

    But, you know, generally speaking, I can tell you, as a seasoned traveler, having traveled in dozens of different countries, there is fairly little need to research which places to avoid. Granted, there are areas where a tourist would be better off not going, but there is little need to actively research that, because, in practice, you don’t go there simply because there is no reason to go there.

    For example, Linh and I were in Marseilles and went to what is allegedly the worst neighborhood in all of France, Félix Pyat. We had a look around the area, stopped in a bar had a couple of beers, chatted with the barman. Linh wrote about it. But we didn’t randomly end up in that area. This actually was a result of deliberately seeking out a very dodgy part of Marseilles to go have a look, where the poor ethnic immigrants live etc.

    If you just go as a normal tourist to the south of France, there is no need to research where these areas are to avoid them. You never go to such an area because you never have any reason to go there! There is nothing there of any touristic interest. Well, unless you are a very special kind of “tourist” à la Linh Dinh, that is…

    I think you should go to America, and travel more generally, because you’ll probably then figure out that much of crank stuff that appears on this website is not to be taken so seriously.

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    Thank you Jonathon,

    Point taken. However, my impressions of the U.S.A. at more local level are not from this site, but more occasional reading of (X-ray through half-truths) english-language MSM.
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  • @daniel le mouche
    ‘this Vltchek is a very wealthy or heavily subsidised man with an ugly sense of entitlement.’

    Hi Che,
    Yes, I've often felt the same. Like, 'how the hell can this dude traipse all over hell and beyond as a Counterpunch writer, who don't pay him anything?' Buddy buddy with Chomsky, anyone? Interesting comment on the Imperial Hotel in Toky0, I may have read that article--haven't read anything by him for probably a couple of years now. One of my favorite points about him that gets me going is his absolute sureness that nobody, just him and a couple of his close friends, literally that's it worldwide, is doing anything, knows anything, isn't just some worthless, clueless piece of shit. In so many words he has said this on more than one occasion. What an arrogant asshole! Perfect for Counterpunch, a worse than worthless establishment tool masquerading as radical, cutting edge, anti-establishment.
    And he just knocks off lying, shitty article after article on how great China, North Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe, and more such countries are, and what pieces of shit Americans are. I agree unfortunately more and more with the last bit, brainwashed, braindead, tv-watching a-holes that so many are, but what western (anyway) country is much better? And there are lots of great Americans, too, at least I knew several growing up there.

    Thank you Daniel,

    My impression was formed some years before I was finding this sIte. Happy to see somebody else has noticed. Wonder where he gets the cash?

    I see great American writing on the Web, occasionaly have met one in Japan, or ovenseas who has a true heart. Don’t mistake me, I would love to visit the U.S.A. before I am shuffling off this mortal coil. Am anti-American polity (MIIC), not anti American people at all.

    Though I gather that many places that may have been nice to visit once (e.g. Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit) are wrecks, and even country towns have been pumped full of Somali and Sudanese and other exporters of their own problems, so one would not want to ever be there.

    For sure, if I ever get the time, I need to research places to avoid.

    How prophetic the movie Robocop was of the reality of Detroit now is dark humour.

    … except for the depiction of whites and latinos as being in charge of it.

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    even country towns have been pumped full of Somali and Sudanese and
     
    Dude, there are 129,000 Somalis in all of the U.S.A. apparently. And even fewer Sudanese. The two groups combined are way less than 0.1% of the population. (I only know that because I just looked it up.)

    I mean, regardless of what you think of those people (frankly, I suspect you never knew any personally) they can't be causing much of the problems in the U.S. because there are hardly any of them!

    For sure, if I ever get the time, I need to research places to avoid.
     
    If it's Somalis or Sudanese you are worrying about, I would relax. You're unlikely to run into any of them unless you make a point of going and looking for them deliberately.

    But, you know, generally speaking, I can tell you, as a seasoned traveler, having traveled in dozens of different countries, there is fairly little need to research which places to avoid. Granted, there are areas where a tourist would be better off not going, but there is little need to actively research that, because, in practice, you don't go there simply because there is no reason to go there.

    For example, Linh and I were in Marseilles and went to what is allegedly the worst neighborhood in all of France, Félix Pyat. We had a look around the area, stopped in a bar had a couple of beers, chatted with the barman. Linh wrote about it. But we didn't randomly end up in that area. This actually was a result of deliberately seeking out a very dodgy part of Marseilles to go have a look, where the poor ethnic immigrants live etc.

    If you just go as a normal tourist to the south of France, there is no need to research where these areas are to avoid them. You never go to such an area because you never have any reason to go there! There is nothing there of any touristic interest. Well, unless you are a very special kind of "tourist" à la Linh Dinh, that is...

    I think you should go to America, and travel more generally, because you'll probably then figure out that much of crank stuff that appears on this website is not to be taken so seriously.
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  • @Che Guava
    Vltchek is clearly some type of fake. One does not have to read many of his articles to see it.

    The point for me, re. his writing, that was convincing me of his falsity was a long whine about the Imperial Hotel in Tokyo.

    I would not dream of staying in such an expensive place, if visiting.

    Also, during a period of work near there, at a nearby eating and drinking establishment, became acquainted with staff from there, from menials to managers.

    They were pleasant people.

    So, when I was reading Vltchek's whining about the place, my only thought was 'this Vltchek is a very wealthy or heavily subsidised man with an ugly sense of entitlement.'

    ‘this Vltchek is a very wealthy or heavily subsidised man with an ugly sense of entitlement.’

    Hi Che,
    Yes, I’ve often felt the same. Like, ‘how the hell can this dude traipse all over hell and beyond as a Counterpunch writer, who don’t pay him anything?’ Buddy buddy with Chomsky, anyone? Interesting comment on the Imperial Hotel in Toky0, I may have read that article–haven’t read anything by him for probably a couple of years now. One of my favorite points about him that gets me going is his absolute sureness that nobody, just him and a couple of his close friends, literally that’s it worldwide, is doing anything, knows anything, isn’t just some worthless, clueless piece of shit. In so many words he has said this on more than one occasion. What an arrogant asshole! Perfect for Counterpunch, a worse than worthless establishment tool masquerading as radical, cutting edge, anti-establishment.
    And he just knocks off lying, shitty article after article on how great China, North Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe, and more such countries are, and what pieces of shit Americans are. I agree unfortunately more and more with the last bit, brainwashed, braindead, tv-watching a-holes that so many are, but what western (anyway) country is much better? And there are lots of great Americans, too, at least I knew several growing up there.

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    Thank you Daniel,

    My impression was formed some years before I was finding this sIte. Happy to see somebody else has noticed. Wonder where he gets the cash?

    I see great American writing on the Web, occasionaly have met one in Japan, or ovenseas who has a true heart. Don't mistake me, I would love to visit the U.S.A. before I am shuffling off this mortal coil. Am anti-American polity (MIIC), not anti American people at all.

    Though I gather that many places that may have been nice to visit once (e.g. Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit) are wrecks, and even country towns have been pumped full of Somali and Sudanese and other exporters of their own problems, so one would not want to ever be there.

    For sure, if I ever get the time, I need to research places to avoid.

    How prophetic the movie Robocop was of the reality of Detroit now is dark humour.

    ... except for the depiction of whites and latinos as being in charge of it.
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  • ‘obviously nus’, well, the post was making me laugh. By ‘nus’, do you mean Britain’s insane National Union of Students?

    I am not sure what ‘gaslight’ means, except for the form of illumination, but will be looking it up.

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  • @daniel le mouche
    'The impression I get from my travels is that, outside the Anglo sphere and Western Europe, nobody believes the U.S. government tall tale. NOBODY.'

    And yet a sizeable number of Unz writers and commenters, to say nothing of, say, Counterpunch writers like Andre Vltchek, or cultural gatekeepers like Zinn and Chomsky, just laugh it off. Once, after trying to convince a neighbor over several excruciating conversations, I finally gave him my copy of David Ray Griffin's The New Pearl Harbor and said, if he can't convince you I never will. About two months later I saw him and asked if he'd read it. Oh yeah, he knew all about it--he'd not read the book at all, but had looked up the people who had given blurbs on the cover, such as MP Benn (I think), 'all liberals' apparently who weren't going to pull one over on HIM. He probably graces these comment sections now. But he was a 'science guy', who had read ALL THE EVIDENCE, presented by, precisely, Popular Science mag. I said, great, surely in school you studied free fall speed--knowing the buildings came down at this rate was all it took to convince me that that was impossible. But I'd have been better off taking a board to my head repeatedly than continuing to attempt to penetrate his hard head.

    Vltchek is clearly some type of fake. One does not have to read many of his articles to see it.

    The point for me, re. his writing, that was convincing me of his falsity was a long whine about the Imperial Hotel in Tokyo.

    I would not dream of staying in such an expensive place, if visiting.

    Also, during a period of work near there, at a nearby eating and drinking establishment, became acquainted with staff from there, from menials to managers.

    They were pleasant people.

    So, when I was reading Vltchek’s whining about the place, my only thought was ‘this Vltchek is a very wealthy or heavily subsidised man with an ugly sense of entitlement.’

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    ‘this Vltchek is a very wealthy or heavily subsidised man with an ugly sense of entitlement.’

    Hi Che,
    Yes, I've often felt the same. Like, 'how the hell can this dude traipse all over hell and beyond as a Counterpunch writer, who don't pay him anything?' Buddy buddy with Chomsky, anyone? Interesting comment on the Imperial Hotel in Toky0, I may have read that article--haven't read anything by him for probably a couple of years now. One of my favorite points about him that gets me going is his absolute sureness that nobody, just him and a couple of his close friends, literally that's it worldwide, is doing anything, knows anything, isn't just some worthless, clueless piece of shit. In so many words he has said this on more than one occasion. What an arrogant asshole! Perfect for Counterpunch, a worse than worthless establishment tool masquerading as radical, cutting edge, anti-establishment.
    And he just knocks off lying, shitty article after article on how great China, North Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe, and more such countries are, and what pieces of shit Americans are. I agree unfortunately more and more with the last bit, brainwashed, braindead, tv-watching a-holes that so many are, but what western (anyway) country is much better? And there are lots of great Americans, too, at least I knew several growing up there.
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  • @Anonymous
    Very interesting indeed. I still don't understand who altered the yearbook or why on earth they didn't alter the photo to match. Was the hacked up yearbook just a prerequisite to getting the text string 'Betty Ong' inserted into the relevant records?

    Also if Ron Unz's ego is the issue here, then we need to bring this to his attention! However much good a person does, their ego is always their enemy and an enemy of their enemy is their friend.

    I still don’t understand who altered the yearbook or why on earth they didn’t alter the photo to match.

    Well, I don’t know who altered that page in the yearbook. Like I say in the article, the best theory I have is that somebody did it as a little prank or in-joke. Anyway, as I said, it stands to reason that it is a lot easier to alter text on a page than to muck with actual photographic content. Anybody involved in the project of digitizing of the yearbooks might be able to to get in there and alter a bit of text quite easily, so if somebody was going to do something on the spur of the moment as a prank, it would be more likely something that is trivially easy to do, no?

    As for getting the string “Betty Ong” in there, it’s all kinda FUBAR. The name “Betty Ong” is pretty clearly inserted into the Spring 1973 graduating class list that appears on sfgenealogy.org but the black girl labeled as Betty Ong in the yearbook is part of the Fall 1973 graduating class.

    If the conspirators wanted to cover their tracks, albeit sloppily, they could have replaced the name of either Jacki Ono (from Spring 1973) or Betty Ow (from Fall 1973). Of course, I see two basic problems with that. First of all, those people might still be alive and might notice. (Though that same point applies to Black Betty as well, of course…)

    Also, pretty clearly, neither Jacki Ono nor and Betty Ow is a younger version of Betty Ong, the 9/11 flight attendant. BUT… at least they are the right race! Both Chinese girls. A Black Betty Ong is just a total non-starter! So, again, I just figured it was a little joke. It certainly comes off as one. Hence my little excursion into the topic of “duping delight”. But I am not saying I really know for sure either!

    Also if Ron Unz’s ego is the issue here, then we need to bring this to his attention!

    Oh, it’s been brought to his attention all right! :-)

    Unz has been trying to gaslight me for close to two years saying that I’m obviously nus and one of his talking points is that I doubted the existence of Betty Ong!

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  • @Truth

    It’s also threatening to attack a country whose only real claim to fame is that it has disemboweled every super power that has attacked it and is the sole owner of an offensive weapons suite against which we have zero defense.
     
    We're declaring war on Israel?

    Funny guy . If only .

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  • I agree. Also, I sent you a mail message. Check, if not too late.

    Perhaps it was too late, I don’t check replies to my nonsenically pseudonymous (intentional of course) account here every day.

    If my timing was too late, my loss.

    Had been thinking of places you may find interesting.

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  • Anonymous[989] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky
    Well, of the five articles I have contributed to this site, none of them were specifically 9/11 pieces. I guess one central theme I was trying to work was just how people (HIQI's) don't understand the difference between real facts and storytelling. And often the storytelling has these cartoonish aspects even, but they still cannot see it. I tend to think that once you see the difference between real facts and storytelling, you look at the 9/11 narrative and you see that it's all basically just storytelling. Osama Bin Laden blah blah blah. No proof of any of it.

    Now, this article I wrote is still about only one little sub-narrative in the 9/11 story. The article is here:

    https://heresycentral.com/2018/04/09/blackbetty/

    It will appear on Veterans Today fairly soon as well. It doesn't look like the piece will run here on the Unz Review. Unz is a pretty big ego and doesn't want to admit that he was so wrong about this. He first said he wanted to run it but then started attaching ridiculous conditions and it became clear that he didn't really want to run the article.

    Do feel free to tell me what you think of the article.

    Very interesting indeed. I still don’t understand who altered the yearbook or why on earth they didn’t alter the photo to match. Was the hacked up yearbook just a prerequisite to getting the text string ‘Betty Ong’ inserted into the relevant records?

    Also if Ron Unz’s ego is the issue here, then we need to bring this to his attention! However much good a person does, their ego is always their enemy and an enemy of their enemy is their friend.

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    I still don’t understand who altered the yearbook or why on earth they didn’t alter the photo to match.
     
    Well, I don't know who altered that page in the yearbook. Like I say in the article, the best theory I have is that somebody did it as a little prank or in-joke. Anyway, as I said, it stands to reason that it is a lot easier to alter text on a page than to muck with actual photographic content. Anybody involved in the project of digitizing of the yearbooks might be able to to get in there and alter a bit of text quite easily, so if somebody was going to do something on the spur of the moment as a prank, it would be more likely something that is trivially easy to do, no?

    As for getting the string "Betty Ong" in there, it's all kinda FUBAR. The name "Betty Ong" is pretty clearly inserted into the Spring 1973 graduating class list that appears on sfgenealogy.org but the black girl labeled as Betty Ong in the yearbook is part of the Fall 1973 graduating class.

    If the conspirators wanted to cover their tracks, albeit sloppily, they could have replaced the name of either Jacki Ono (from Spring 1973) or Betty Ow (from Fall 1973). Of course, I see two basic problems with that. First of all, those people might still be alive and might notice. (Though that same point applies to Black Betty as well, of course...)

    Also, pretty clearly, neither Jacki Ono nor and Betty Ow is a younger version of Betty Ong, the 9/11 flight attendant. BUT... at least they are the right race! Both Chinese girls. A Black Betty Ong is just a total non-starter! So, again, I just figured it was a little joke. It certainly comes off as one. Hence my little excursion into the topic of "duping delight". But I am not saying I really know for sure either!

    Also if Ron Unz’s ego is the issue here, then we need to bring this to his attention!
     
    Oh, it's been brought to his attention all right! :-)

    Unz has been trying to gaslight me for close to two years saying that I'm obviously nus and one of his talking points is that I doubted the existence of Betty Ong!
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  • @Linh Dinh
    Maybe someone can explain how Unz has become a magnet for so many flippant and angry people who can't read? I mean, if Godfree Roberts thinks "many" refers to just one country, then can he understand anything at all?

    He's hardly alone, however, for after each Unz article, there are commenters who have become enraged or triggered because they can't read a basic word or sentence.

    We're watching American degeneracy in real time, I'm afraid.

    Godfree states he grew up in Australia, Dinhbat. Which I think would make him an Aussie, not a Yank. But don’t let that stop you, as you’re not one who concerns himself with, um, facts.

    We’re watching Indochinese derangement in real time, I’m afraid.

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  • Anderson Cooper, crisis actors, media, Hollywood, celebrities like Snoop Dogg (or Brad, or anyone else), endless phoney attacks, steady and relentless real ones–it’s quite a funhouse.

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  • did you try to contact any of her supposed classmates

    No, I have not tried to contact any of the alumni from that time period. Not yet anyway.

    I would be extremely surprised if anybody says that they knew her and certainly if they had a description of Betty that rang true at all. Just look at the description of Betty that is on the memorial site that is supposedly maintained by her family. http://www.bettyong.org/BettyOng.htm

    I pointed Ron Unz at that and he couldn’t see anything strange about it. Maybe Unz has Asperger’s syndrome or something. Other people (like Linh’s wife, according to Linh) just look at that and immediately say this is bullshit.

    The original yearbooks must be lying around in various people’s houses on the bookshelf or in some box in the attic that they haven’t opened for years. My belief is that the black girl who is labeled Betty Ong in the 1973 yearbook would have a different name in the original yearbook, probably Victoria Ole or Vivian Ole or something like that.

    Oh, I also saw something new since writing the article. None of Betty Ong’s alleged siblings are in any yearbook of that high school either! Yet it is claimed that all the Ong siblings attended that school. So the siblings are also looking more and more like crisis actors. Even the tiny bit of life history that these people are given, like where they attended high school, is all bullshit, seemingly.

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  • @Jonathan Revusky
    Well, of the five articles I have contributed to this site, none of them were specifically 9/11 pieces. I guess one central theme I was trying to work was just how people (HIQI's) don't understand the difference between real facts and storytelling. And often the storytelling has these cartoonish aspects even, but they still cannot see it. I tend to think that once you see the difference between real facts and storytelling, you look at the 9/11 narrative and you see that it's all basically just storytelling. Osama Bin Laden blah blah blah. No proof of any of it.

    Now, this article I wrote is still about only one little sub-narrative in the 9/11 story. The article is here:

    https://heresycentral.com/2018/04/09/blackbetty/

    It will appear on Veterans Today fairly soon as well. It doesn't look like the piece will run here on the Unz Review. Unz is a pretty big ego and doesn't want to admit that he was so wrong about this. He first said he wanted to run it but then started attaching ridiculous conditions and it became clear that he didn't really want to run the article.

    Do feel free to tell me what you think of the article.

    Hi Jonathan,
    I did read the article you wrote. It was interesting. To see how these people operate, the lengths they go to, creating a website for the flight attendant for example… I am shocked in a way, but after so many years looking at this stuff, not really.
    In all these events there is lots of investigating that should be done, by journalists, and isn’t. Simply the kind of thing you have done, to try to verify eyewitness accounts, etc. 911 is the ultimate case study. All those made up people, who’s out there interviewing them in depth? I do have one question in this regard for you: did you try to contact any of her supposed classmates over those two years, 73 and 74, to see if they either remembered her or had the original yearbook?
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  • @daniel le mouche
    'The impression I get from my travels is that, outside the Anglo sphere and Western Europe, nobody believes the U.S. government tall tale. NOBODY.'

    And yet a sizeable number of Unz writers and commenters, to say nothing of, say, Counterpunch writers like Andre Vltchek, or cultural gatekeepers like Zinn and Chomsky, just laugh it off. Once, after trying to convince a neighbor over several excruciating conversations, I finally gave him my copy of David Ray Griffin's The New Pearl Harbor and said, if he can't convince you I never will. About two months later I saw him and asked if he'd read it. Oh yeah, he knew all about it--he'd not read the book at all, but had looked up the people who had given blurbs on the cover, such as MP Benn (I think), 'all liberals' apparently who weren't going to pull one over on HIM. He probably graces these comment sections now. But he was a 'science guy', who had read ALL THE EVIDENCE, presented by, precisely, Popular Science mag. I said, great, surely in school you studied free fall speed--knowing the buildings came down at this rate was all it took to convince me that that was impossible. But I'd have been better off taking a board to my head repeatedly than continuing to attempt to penetrate his hard head.

    Well, of the five articles I have contributed to this site, none of them were specifically 9/11 pieces. I guess one central theme I was trying to work was just how people (HIQI’s) don’t understand the difference between real facts and storytelling. And often the storytelling has these cartoonish aspects even, but they still cannot see it. I tend to think that once you see the difference between real facts and storytelling, you look at the 9/11 narrative and you see that it’s all basically just storytelling. Osama Bin Laden blah blah blah. No proof of any of it.

    Now, this article I wrote is still about only one little sub-narrative in the 9/11 story. The article is here:

    https://heresycentral.com/2018/04/09/blackbetty/

    It will appear on Veterans Today fairly soon as well. It doesn’t look like the piece will run here on the Unz Review. Unz is a pretty big ego and doesn’t want to admit that he was so wrong about this. He first said he wanted to run it but then started attaching ridiculous conditions and it became clear that he didn’t really want to run the article.

    Do feel free to tell me what you think of the article.

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    Hi Jonathan,
    I did read the article you wrote. It was interesting. To see how these people operate, the lengths they go to, creating a website for the flight attendant for example... I am shocked in a way, but after so many years looking at this stuff, not really.
    In all these events there is lots of investigating that should be done, by journalists, and isn't. Simply the kind of thing you have done, to try to verify eyewitness accounts, etc. 911 is the ultimate case study. All those made up people, who's out there interviewing them in depth? I do have one question in this regard for you: did you try to contact any of her supposed classmates over those two years, 73 and 74, to see if they either remembered her or had the original yearbook?
    Cheers,
    , @Anonymous
    Very interesting indeed. I still don't understand who altered the yearbook or why on earth they didn't alter the photo to match. Was the hacked up yearbook just a prerequisite to getting the text string 'Betty Ong' inserted into the relevant records?

    Also if Ron Unz's ego is the issue here, then we need to bring this to his attention! However much good a person does, their ego is always their enemy and an enemy of their enemy is their friend.
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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    One thing I’d ask (discreetly) is what do local engineers think of 911?
     
    The impression I get from my travels is that, outside the Anglo sphere and Western Europe, nobody believes the U.S. government tall tale. NOBODY.

    ‘The impression I get from my travels is that, outside the Anglo sphere and Western Europe, nobody believes the U.S. government tall tale. NOBODY.’

    And yet a sizeable number of Unz writers and commenters, to say nothing of, say, Counterpunch writers like Andre Vltchek, or cultural gatekeepers like Zinn and Chomsky, just laugh it off. Once, after trying to convince a neighbor over several excruciating conversations, I finally gave him my copy of David Ray Griffin’s The New Pearl Harbor and said, if he can’t convince you I never will. About two months later I saw him and asked if he’d read it. Oh yeah, he knew all about it–he’d not read the book at all, but had looked up the people who had given blurbs on the cover, such as MP Benn (I think), ‘all liberals’ apparently who weren’t going to pull one over on HIM. He probably graces these comment sections now. But he was a ‘science guy’, who had read ALL THE EVIDENCE, presented by, precisely, Popular Science mag. I said, great, surely in school you studied free fall speed–knowing the buildings came down at this rate was all it took to convince me that that was impossible. But I’d have been better off taking a board to my head repeatedly than continuing to attempt to penetrate his hard head.

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    Well, of the five articles I have contributed to this site, none of them were specifically 9/11 pieces. I guess one central theme I was trying to work was just how people (HIQI's) don't understand the difference between real facts and storytelling. And often the storytelling has these cartoonish aspects even, but they still cannot see it. I tend to think that once you see the difference between real facts and storytelling, you look at the 9/11 narrative and you see that it's all basically just storytelling. Osama Bin Laden blah blah blah. No proof of any of it.

    Now, this article I wrote is still about only one little sub-narrative in the 9/11 story. The article is here:

    https://heresycentral.com/2018/04/09/blackbetty/

    It will appear on Veterans Today fairly soon as well. It doesn't look like the piece will run here on the Unz Review. Unz is a pretty big ego and doesn't want to admit that he was so wrong about this. He first said he wanted to run it but then started attaching ridiculous conditions and it became clear that he didn't really want to run the article.

    Do feel free to tell me what you think of the article.
    , @Che Guava
    Vltchek is clearly some type of fake. One does not have to read many of his articles to see it.

    The point for me, re. his writing, that was convincing me of his falsity was a long whine about the Imperial Hotel in Tokyo.

    I would not dream of staying in such an expensive place, if visiting.

    Also, during a period of work near there, at a nearby eating and drinking establishment, became acquainted with staff from there, from menials to managers.

    They were pleasant people.

    So, when I was reading Vltchek's whining about the place, my only thought was 'this Vltchek is a very wealthy or heavily subsidised man with an ugly sense of entitlement.'
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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    One thing I’d ask (discreetly) is what do local engineers think of 911?
     
    The impression I get from my travels is that, outside the Anglo sphere and Western Europe, nobody believes the U.S. government tall tale. NOBODY.

    Kind of what I would expect. Several years ago Ted Koppel said that after visiting China, that, as he was leaving, a Chinese fellow leaned toward him and said something like: “You know? What you people did on 911 was really evil.”

    This shocked Mr. Koppel deeply and he was very upset. Apparently, he wasn’t privy to inner workings of 911. Lately, it has come out that the Chinese saved some of the steel from 911 for study because it was a unique opportunity and all.

    We were told it was sent to China for recycling and so we assumed it was all gone, destroyed.

    Funny how the penny drops eventually, even years later.

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  • “since having over 1.3 pound of dope means a mandatory death by injection, they’re done.”

    well then the PRC should have been excecuted about 1,000 times by now.

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  • @Linh Dinh
    Hi all,

    Barry Yourgraw, Hideo Furukawa, Keijiro Suga, Hiromi Ito and Mieko Kawakami will read at 3PM on 4/21/18 at Rainy Day Bookstore & Cafe: Tokyo, Minato, Nishiazabu, 2 Chome−21−28.

    I will be there to hear them and to hang out afterwards, so if you want to join us, do come. The critic Motoyuki Shibata, translator Miwako Ozawa and, most likely, writer Roland Kelts will be there as well.

    Linh

    dang it, will miss you in Tokyo by 6 hrs.! maybe next time. your writing style is lucid and your content always thought provoking. next time!

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  • Anonymous[989] • Disclaimer says:
    @Triumph104

    To send just $45 home a month each, though, they had to be super creative with their food procurement.... I had a gambling problem.
     
    They might not have enough money for food, but the poor usually have enough for gambling, cigarettes, alcohol, and apparently according to Nam, the occassional prostitute. The guys facing a mandatory death sentence for having over 1.3 pounds of drugs also show an inablity to prioritize and weigh the pros and cons of specific behaviors.

    The mural of Ho Chi Minh shows him wearing sandals. Ho Chi Minh sandals are made out of recycled tires and used to be very popular at one time.

    https://youtu.be/MT-WWCJNtXc

    They might not have enough money for food, but the poor usually have enough for gambling, cigarettes, alcohol, and apparently according to Nam, the occassional prostitute.

    What do the foreign workers going to do after the factory closes? What are they going to do on Sunday? It’s risky going to town since Malaysian police love to cruise around and nab the super obvious groups of foreign workers. Only one of them can speak any Malay language? Good luck defending themselves. And how many of them had a valid work permit? None? Then that’ll be at least $50 per head in bribes, almost equal to a week’s pay. So overall, it’s safer to only go out when it’s essential and otherwise hang around the factory in the evenings until they go to bed upstairs in the factory dorm at night. Cigarettes and alcohol help to pass the time, while gambling starts off at no cost (since they’re only betting against their colleagues so it’s a closed system). As for the hooker, I doubt she’s expensive. They probably just paid $25-$50 to a Vietnamese/Indonesian foreign worker who also has a regular day job in a factory/food court.

    By our standards, it’s a shitty life. We shouldn’t judge them too harshly.

    The guys facing a mandatory death sentence for having over 1.3 pounds of drugs also show an inablity to prioritize and weigh the pros and cons of specific behaviors.

    The death sentence isn’t such a strong deterrent for people who are surrounded by death every day. It’s quite normal in countries like Vietnam to regularly pass the scene of an accident where some poor motorcyclist lost their life. It’s not shocking, it’s just vaguely depressing.

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  • @Triumph104

    To send just $45 home a month each, though, they had to be super creative with their food procurement.... I had a gambling problem.
     
    They might not have enough money for food, but the poor usually have enough for gambling, cigarettes, alcohol, and apparently according to Nam, the occassional prostitute. The guys facing a mandatory death sentence for having over 1.3 pounds of drugs also show an inablity to prioritize and weigh the pros and cons of specific behaviors.

    The mural of Ho Chi Minh shows him wearing sandals. Ho Chi Minh sandals are made out of recycled tires and used to be very popular at one time.

    https://youtu.be/MT-WWCJNtXc

    “They might not have enough money for food, but the poor usually have enough for gambling, cigarettes, alcohol, and apparently according to Nam, the occassional prostitute. ”

    I should imagine that the greater the the burden of the daily drudgery, the higher the appeal of the occasional bust out.

    Don’t you?

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  • @Linh Dinh
    Maybe someone can explain how Unz has become a magnet for so many flippant and angry people who can't read? I mean, if Godfree Roberts thinks "many" refers to just one country, then can he understand anything at all?

    He's hardly alone, however, for after each Unz article, there are commenters who have become enraged or triggered because they can't read a basic word or sentence.

    We're watching American degeneracy in real time, I'm afraid.

    We’re watching American degeneracy in real time, I’m afraid.

    Nah… you’re just seeing a deliberate campaign by globalist agents to spread FUD on a site that has become popular enough that it needs to be countered…

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  • @Godfree Roberts
    "In war, however, the state must be intrusive, coercive and unjust to even function, so the fact that many are becoming increasingly totalitarian must mean they’re preparing for strifes of all kinds, external and internal."

    Preparing?! What were you smoking in chilled-out Nghe An?

    Perhaps you drifted off after America stopped Vietnam so you missed the fact that it didn't stop bombing.

    It's bombed 40 countries since them–some for more than a decade–and is threatening to bomb some more this week.

    It's also threatening to attack a country whose only real claim to fame is that it has disemboweled every super power that has attacked it and is the sole owner of an offensive weapons suite against which we have zero defense.

    That's why everyone's preparing.

    It’s also threatening to attack a country whose only real claim to fame is that it has disemboweled every super power that has attacked it and is the sole owner of an offensive weapons suite against which we have zero defense.

    We’re declaring war on Israel?

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    Funny guy . If only .
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  • anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Linh Dinh
    Hi gdpbull,

    The losing side doesn't get to honor its victims, and its story is grossly distorted. As a kid, I remember the statue of a sitting ARVN soldier at the entrance to the military cemetery in Thu Duc. As with all other ARVN statues, it's gone. Two of my uncles were KIA ARVNs.

    The American South is still caricatured and mocked a century and a half after its defeat.

    Linh

    Revisionist history, Vietnam-style. So sad…so sad.

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  • anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:

    “I stated that East Asian countries have at least two advantages over white ones 1) They have a stronger sense of community 2) They don’t question their ethnocentrism”

    Well…can’t speak for other countries except for the US, and although we may not be (strictly speaking) a “white” country it’s a damn sight sure that we have no real sense of community. And as to questioning our ethnocentrism–hell, that’s all we’re doing these days!

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  • @Linh Dinh
    Hi Da Wei,

    The emails I get from friends back in Philly show increasing frustration, sadness and/or anger. Half of the country sees the other half as insane, but all of it is sliding into madness, by design. It is striking, our collective impotence to prevent this.


    Linh

    LD, I believe that at the base of the “sliding into madness, by design” is the corporate media that saturates the lives of most working people. Essentially controlled by five corporations, the media is virtually lockstep in its presentation of divisive identity politics that have successfully pitted ordinary people one against the other and dissipated the solidarity necessary to resist the rot that has infected our nation. Boycotting this malignant influence would be a great first step toward a better society.

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  • I travel the world via your very intelligentand well informed writing.
    Thank you, linh.
    Enjoy Tokyo. I’m sure you will.
    Tony

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  • @Linh Dinh
    Maybe someone can explain how Unz has become a magnet for so many flippant and angry people who can't read? I mean, if Godfree Roberts thinks "many" refers to just one country, then can he understand anything at all?

    He's hardly alone, however, for after each Unz article, there are commenters who have become enraged or triggered because they can't read a basic word or sentence.

    We're watching American degeneracy in real time, I'm afraid.

    Linh Dinh reflected & wisely commented:. “We’re watching American degeneracy in real time, I’m afraid.”

    Another masterpiece travel-article, Linh, and thank you!

    B.t.w., the groom’s father’s decision to bolt after finding the bride’s door locked to his family, and afterward coordination of a quicky marriage to a waitress, was unforgettably comical.

    Also, I relate to Borges’ having categorized human copulation as “abominable;” it’s not much different than how dogs and horses “do it,” propagate their specie.

    (Note:I am bad at times, Linh, thinking that The Creator might have done better with the instinctual “hot-to-trot” act of human procreation by having engineered some level of moral responsibility within the brains of participant fuckers)

    Writing as a four-year veteran school bus driver, I have interacted with many neglected & subsequently troubled elementary Scranton school children. At times after having professionally disciplined (yelled at) a 3rd grader for misconduct on bus, his nutty mother/guardian would start preemptive WAR with me upon the kid’s drop off at home.

    Will I survive such embattled employment & proliferating “American degeneracy”?
    Chances are better, given a pregnant supply of opium, reduction of spousal support, and having a sane & safe place to “lay my head.”

    Thanks for the education!

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  • @Linh Dinh
    Hi gdpbull,

    The losing side doesn't get to honor its victims, and its story is grossly distorted. As a kid, I remember the statue of a sitting ARVN soldier at the entrance to the military cemetery in Thu Duc. As with all other ARVN statues, it's gone. Two of my uncles were KIA ARVNs.

    The American South is still caricatured and mocked a century and a half after its defeat.

    Linh

    So true. I enjoy your articles.

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  • Anonymous[989] • Disclaimer says:
    @Si1ver1ock
    Interesting. If I were traveling about, I would probably ask a few question also. One thing I'd ask (discreetly) is what do local engineers think of 911? In other words I'd like to know how the rest of the world views 911 Truth. Sort of a project. I wonder what kind of reaction you would get. Are people open about it? Do they become defensive, refuse to talk about it?

    Recently, the US has released UFO footage what do people think of that? There were many reports of UFOs in Vietnam during the war. Do they have any stories? I'd also ask about strange events lights in the sky, local legends, strange happenings etc.

    Maybe Linh could start a website/Magazine Paranormal Asia.

    It’s come up a few times during my travels. I’d say that Europeans are 50/50 and Muslims consider the Israel connection to be common knowledge. Both are naturally biased because Europeans are marinaded in Jewmedia while Muslims are marinaded in Jewphobia. A fairly neutral group would be the Chinese. They vaguely ‘know’ the Jewmedia version but are very open to alternative explanations.

    I think one big block Westerners have is that they generally have faith that their governments are benign and corruption is low. The rest of the world has no such delusion.

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  • Great story telling Linh, real life discription at a personal level is Your great gift. At times in the past You’ve attempted to give political views but it alienated many readers. This, today, is extraordinarily good reading. It changes hearts and minds because it so real. Good Luck Linh!

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  • @gdpbull
    "All 13 victims were under 20, with 11 of them female. Perhaps it’s because most were only teenage girls, they’re honored with a huge monument that attracts a thousand visitors daily."

    Is there a monument for the 1000 or so women and children slaughtered on hwy 1 by the North Vietnamese Army while fleeing Quang Tri city in the spring of 1972? Didn't think so.

    Hi gdpbull,

    The losing side doesn’t get to honor its victims, and its story is grossly distorted. As a kid, I remember the statue of a sitting ARVN soldier at the entrance to the military cemetery in Thu Duc. As with all other ARVN statues, it’s gone. Two of my uncles were KIA ARVNs.

    The American South is still caricatured and mocked a century and a half after its defeat.

    Linh

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    So true. I enjoy your articles.
    , @anonymous
    Revisionist history, Vietnam-style. So sad...so sad.
    , @Whoever

    Two of my uncles were KIA ARVNs.
     
    Vietnamese-Americans die for our country, too. I don't know how you feel about that, considering the ambivalence I detect in your writings about America. Ron Unz, I suppose, would just consider them losers, based on comments of his such as this one (231): "My impression is that nearly all of America’s volunteer servicemen are joining because they can’t find jobs after high school or can’t afford college or want an inside track to a well-paid government job. Fighting and dying isn’t something for which they signed up."

    Some of us have a different point of view.

    Cpl Tevan L. Nguyen, 21, of Hutto, Texas, assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force, Camp Pendleton, California; departed this life, Tuesday 28 December 2010, from mortal wounds incurred in an area of fierce aggression, while facing an enemy combatant stronghold the Taliban was unwilling to give up in Helmand Province, Afghanistan.


    https://twitter.com/TerranceCreamer/status/947274000497041408

    United States Marine Corps Corporal Tevan Lee Nguyen
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  • @Che Guava
    Evening, Linh.

    Roberts is also a columnist on Unz, as you likely know. In my opinion, silly.

    Thank you for another very interesting article and minor apology for previous incorrect but natural assumption.

    Recent change of workplace (not job), I am in an office room where I am the only one who is not Viet. They are nice people, slowly learning names.

    Hi Che Guava,

    I’m cringing at Godfree Roberts, not Paul Craig Roberts, whom I have long admired.

    Linh

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  • Hi all,

    Barry Yourgraw, Hideo Furukawa, Keijiro Suga, Hiromi Ito and Mieko Kawakami will read at 3PM on 4/21/18 at Rainy Day Bookstore & Cafe: Tokyo, Minato, Nishiazabu, 2 Chome−21−28.

    I will be there to hear them and to hang out afterwards, so if you want to join us, do come. The critic Motoyuki Shibata, translator Miwako Ozawa and, most likely, writer Roland Kelts will be there as well.

    Linh

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    dang it, will miss you in Tokyo by 6 hrs.! maybe next time. your writing style is lucid and your content always thought provoking. next time!
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  • “All 13 victims were under 20, with 11 of them female. Perhaps it’s because most were only teenage girls, they’re honored with a huge monument that attracts a thousand visitors daily.”

    Is there a monument for the 1000 or so women and children slaughtered on hwy 1 by the North Vietnamese Army while fleeing Quang Tri city in the spring of 1972? Didn’t think so.

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    Hi gdpbull,

    The losing side doesn't get to honor its victims, and its story is grossly distorted. As a kid, I remember the statue of a sitting ARVN soldier at the entrance to the military cemetery in Thu Duc. As with all other ARVN statues, it's gone. Two of my uncles were KIA ARVNs.

    The American South is still caricatured and mocked a century and a half after its defeat.

    Linh
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  • @Che Guava
    Evening, Linh.

    Roberts is also a columnist on Unz, as you likely know. In my opinion, silly.

    Thank you for another very interesting article and minor apology for previous incorrect but natural assumption.

    Recent change of workplace (not job), I am in an office room where I am the only one who is not Viet. They are nice people, slowly learning names.

    Hi Che Guava,

    Thanks to a fluke, I’m coming to Tokyo in a few days. My sister-in-law won free plane tickets after a meal at a Japanese restaurant in Saigon, but she can’t go, so she gave the tickets to me and my wife. Let’s meet in Tokyo if you have time. My email is [email protected] .

    Linh

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  • @Linh Dinh
    You must be one hell of a navel-gazing, narcissistic American to think that my writing "they’re preparing" somehow refers only to the USA.

    Evening, Linh.

    Roberts is also a columnist on Unz, as you likely know. In my opinion, silly.

    Thank you for another very interesting article and minor apology for previous incorrect but natural assumption.

    Recent change of workplace (not job), I am in an office room where I am the only one who is not Viet. They are nice people, slowly learning names.

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    Hi Che Guava,

    Thanks to a fluke, I'm coming to Tokyo in a few days. My sister-in-law won free plane tickets after a meal at a Japanese restaurant in Saigon, but she can't go, so she gave the tickets to me and my wife. Let's meet in Tokyo if you have time. My email is [email protected] .


    Linh
    , @Linh Dinh
    Hi Che Guava,

    I'm cringing at Godfree Roberts, not Paul Craig Roberts, whom I have long admired.


    Linh
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  • Nghe An is on the rise. Nearly double-digit GDP-growth. 11 billion USD in FDI over the last decade. Several large Industrial Parks coming online over the next years. This year Nghe An’s export will cross the 1billion USD mark.

    The capital Vinh is slowly transforming into “exciting” city with clubs, cinemas and other urban activities.

    Nghe An was one of the recipient of financial transfers from richer provinces in the late 90s/early 2000s, which invested wisely and now reaps the fruits.

    Those booming secondary provinces makes the differences between VN and the Arab/African/Latin-American countries.

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  • @Si1ver1ock
    Interesting. If I were traveling about, I would probably ask a few question also. One thing I'd ask (discreetly) is what do local engineers think of 911? In other words I'd like to know how the rest of the world views 911 Truth. Sort of a project. I wonder what kind of reaction you would get. Are people open about it? Do they become defensive, refuse to talk about it?

    Recently, the US has released UFO footage what do people think of that? There were many reports of UFOs in Vietnam during the war. Do they have any stories? I'd also ask about strange events lights in the sky, local legends, strange happenings etc.

    Maybe Linh could start a website/Magazine Paranormal Asia.

    One thing I’d ask (discreetly) is what do local engineers think of 911?

    The impression I get from my travels is that, outside the Anglo sphere and Western Europe, nobody believes the U.S. government tall tale. NOBODY.

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    Kind of what I would expect. Several years ago Ted Koppel said that after visiting China, that, as he was leaving, a Chinese fellow leaned toward him and said something like: "You know? What you people did on 911 was really evil."

    This shocked Mr. Koppel deeply and he was very upset. Apparently, he wasn't privy to inner workings of 911. Lately, it has come out that the Chinese saved some of the steel from 911 for study because it was a unique opportunity and all.

    We were told it was sent to China for recycling and so we assumed it was all gone, destroyed.

    Funny how the penny drops eventually, even years later.
    , @daniel le mouche
    'The impression I get from my travels is that, outside the Anglo sphere and Western Europe, nobody believes the U.S. government tall tale. NOBODY.'

    And yet a sizeable number of Unz writers and commenters, to say nothing of, say, Counterpunch writers like Andre Vltchek, or cultural gatekeepers like Zinn and Chomsky, just laugh it off. Once, after trying to convince a neighbor over several excruciating conversations, I finally gave him my copy of David Ray Griffin's The New Pearl Harbor and said, if he can't convince you I never will. About two months later I saw him and asked if he'd read it. Oh yeah, he knew all about it--he'd not read the book at all, but had looked up the people who had given blurbs on the cover, such as MP Benn (I think), 'all liberals' apparently who weren't going to pull one over on HIM. He probably graces these comment sections now. But he was a 'science guy', who had read ALL THE EVIDENCE, presented by, precisely, Popular Science mag. I said, great, surely in school you studied free fall speed--knowing the buildings came down at this rate was all it took to convince me that that was impossible. But I'd have been better off taking a board to my head repeatedly than continuing to attempt to penetrate his hard head.
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  • I once had a good friend here in America who had escaped Vietnam in the 1980′s as a “boat person”. I had the honor of attending both his bachelor party and his wedding. A special wine (called something like “kom”) was served at the party, and we all became quite intoxicated. Mekong River fish was served at the wedding, and an excellent local rock band had been engaged to entertain us after the ceremony. I must say it was the most fun I’ve ever had at a wedding! Sadly, I lost touch with Du Van over the years, but I’ll never forget him.

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  • Anonymous[989] • Disclaimer says:
    @Linh Dinh
    Hi Da Wei,

    The emails I get from friends back in Philly show increasing frustration, sadness and/or anger. Half of the country sees the other half as insane, but all of it is sliding into madness, by design. It is striking, our collective impotence to prevent this.


    Linh

    It is striking, our collective impotence to prevent this.

    It’s downright inevitable given that the bonds of nationhood have been dissolved. Did they even really exist to begin with in the USA? Or was it just an Anglo ‘nation’ ruling over the other mixed residents? Open question – you’ve got a much better idea than I do.

    And by the way, it was a damned fine article. I didn’t just learn; I felt. Thank you!

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  • To plan any important occasion, most Vietnamese consult a fortune teller for the best date, and even time.

    The Thais consult their Monks for the same thing.
    Opening a business is one such important occasion.

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  • Wonderful piece.

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  • Interesting. If I were traveling about, I would probably ask a few question also. One thing I’d ask (discreetly) is what do local engineers think of 911? In other words I’d like to know how the rest of the world views 911 Truth. Sort of a project. I wonder what kind of reaction you would get. Are people open about it? Do they become defensive, refuse to talk about it?

    Recently, the US has released UFO footage what do people think of that? There were many reports of UFOs in Vietnam during the war. Do they have any stories? I’d also ask about strange events lights in the sky, local legends, strange happenings etc.

    Maybe Linh could start a website/Magazine Paranormal Asia.

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    One thing I’d ask (discreetly) is what do local engineers think of 911?
     
    The impression I get from my travels is that, outside the Anglo sphere and Western Europe, nobody believes the U.S. government tall tale. NOBODY.
    , @Anonymous
    It's come up a few times during my travels. I'd say that Europeans are 50/50 and Muslims consider the Israel connection to be common knowledge. Both are naturally biased because Europeans are marinaded in Jewmedia while Muslims are marinaded in Jewphobia. A fairly neutral group would be the Chinese. They vaguely 'know' the Jewmedia version but are very open to alternative explanations.

    I think one big block Westerners have is that they generally have faith that their governments are benign and corruption is low. The rest of the world has no such delusion.
    , @MacNucc11
    I assume that the rest of the world considers 9/11 total BS. In other countries they do not believe their media or see it as it rightfully is, government propaganda. Most likely the official story in most other countries is controlled demolition and they don't even consider it a conspiracy. Simply good old government doing what it does. Another great article by Linh Dinh. I love how you notice everything. Nothing is mundane or beneath comment. Often depressing but oddly hopeful at the same time. What I find most striking is how much you understand.
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  • To send just $45 home a month each, though, they had to be super creative with their food procurement…. I had a gambling problem.

    They might not have enough money for food, but the poor usually have enough for gambling, cigarettes, alcohol, and apparently according to Nam, the occassional prostitute. The guys facing a mandatory death sentence for having over 1.3 pounds of drugs also show an inablity to prioritize and weigh the pros and cons of specific behaviors.

    The mural of Ho Chi Minh shows him wearing sandals. Ho Chi Minh sandals are made out of recycled tires and used to be very popular at one time.

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    "They might not have enough money for food, but the poor usually have enough for gambling, cigarettes, alcohol, and apparently according to Nam, the occassional prostitute. "


    I should imagine that the greater the the burden of the daily drudgery, the higher the appeal of the occasional bust out.

    Don't you?
    , @Anonymous

    They might not have enough money for food, but the poor usually have enough for gambling, cigarettes, alcohol, and apparently according to Nam, the occassional prostitute.
     
    What do the foreign workers going to do after the factory closes? What are they going to do on Sunday? It's risky going to town since Malaysian police love to cruise around and nab the super obvious groups of foreign workers. Only one of them can speak any Malay language? Good luck defending themselves. And how many of them had a valid work permit? None? Then that'll be at least $50 per head in bribes, almost equal to a week's pay. So overall, it's safer to only go out when it's essential and otherwise hang around the factory in the evenings until they go to bed upstairs in the factory dorm at night. Cigarettes and alcohol help to pass the time, while gambling starts off at no cost (since they're only betting against their colleagues so it's a closed system). As for the hooker, I doubt she's expensive. They probably just paid $25-$50 to a Vietnamese/Indonesian foreign worker who also has a regular day job in a factory/food court.

    By our standards, it's a shitty life. We shouldn't judge them too harshly.

    The guys facing a mandatory death sentence for having over 1.3 pounds of drugs also show an inablity to prioritize and weigh the pros and cons of specific behaviors.

     

    The death sentence isn't such a strong deterrent for people who are surrounded by death every day. It's quite normal in countries like Vietnam to regularly pass the scene of an accident where some poor motorcyclist lost their life. It's not shocking, it's just vaguely depressing.
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  • Imagine all the people living for today Imagine there’s no countries. It isn’t hard to do. Nothing to kill or die for, And no religion too. Imagine all the people Living life in peace. You may say I’m a dreamer, But I’m not the only one. I hope some day you’ll join us, And the...
  • @jilles dykstra
    Nationalism is simply that a group a people has a common culture.
    As the USA has no common culture, except moneycracy, moneycrazy, this is difficult to understand for USA citizens.
    Macron denies that a French culure exists, we, my wife and I, Dutch, are often in France.
    We know that French culture differs from Dutch culture.
    But Macron more and more makes it clear that he's an idiot.
    The Dutch problem with immigrants, or children of, is that culturally they never became Dutch.
    We Dutch do not go on the streets with Turkish flags to support Erdogan, for us he's just a far away crazy dictator.

    How can you say the United States has no common culture? From coast to coast the American experience is not uniform but quite recognizable to all that visit different states. An Alabamian and Oregonian have more in common culturally than English, Welsh and Scots.

    I’m pretty sure Americans are not unique in their pursuit of money. Not every American is obsessed with accumulating cash, it is a small minority, but everyone needs some money to live. Perhaps the Dutch don’t want or need money.

    Americans are not unaware of their common culture but many visitors from other lands can’t comprehend Americans. Sometimes it is the English speaking visitors who are most ignorant. We might generalize about Europeans, “they are all indistinguishable continental Euro trash.” That would be a stupid Characterization much like yours.

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  • In Marseilles, I met an illegal immigrant from Nghe An. He said his boss and housemates in Paris were all from the same province. Long known for its poverty, Nghe An leads Vietnam in the ratio of people working overseas, with most never returning. In fact, so many have become illegal in South Korea, Vietnam...
  • @Da Wei
    Linh Dinh,

    After a spell, I see another of your fine pieces, casual at the start, terse at the end. And this one, more terse than most, 2 syllables, 2 words: "Will you?"

    Then I see this comment of yours with the final 2 words, "I'm afraid." I believe that.

    I think your fear is real and, though universal, it is for unseeing, betrayed Americans. You spent much of your life in the USA and, as with Nam, it became a part of you. How else to explain your disappointment? You can't cut it out. Nor can anyone.

    This is very nice work, subtle and poignant, like the work of a philosopher poet, ethical and beautiful.

    Hi Da Wei,

    The emails I get from friends back in Philly show increasing frustration, sadness and/or anger. Half of the country sees the other half as insane, but all of it is sliding into madness, by design. It is striking, our collective impotence to prevent this.

    Linh

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    It is striking, our collective impotence to prevent this.
     
    It's downright inevitable given that the bonds of nationhood have been dissolved. Did they even really exist to begin with in the USA? Or was it just an Anglo 'nation' ruling over the other mixed residents? Open question - you've got a much better idea than I do.

    And by the way, it was a damned fine article. I didn't just learn; I felt. Thank you!
    , @TonyVodvarka
    LD, I believe that at the base of the "sliding into madness, by design" is the corporate media that saturates the lives of most working people. Essentially controlled by five corporations, the media is virtually lockstep in its presentation of divisive identity politics that have successfully pitted ordinary people one against the other and dissipated the solidarity necessary to resist the rot that has infected our nation. Boycotting this malignant influence would be a great first step toward a better society.
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  • anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Linh Dinh
    Maybe someone can explain how Unz has become a magnet for so many flippant and angry people who can't read? I mean, if Godfree Roberts thinks "many" refers to just one country, then can he understand anything at all?

    He's hardly alone, however, for after each Unz article, there are commenters who have become enraged or triggered because they can't read a basic word or sentence.

    We're watching American degeneracy in real time, I'm afraid.

    “Maybe someone can explain….”

    I agree about the general degeneration of the country. But I’m afraid that we’re also seeing the typical decline of the comment threads on any controversial website that grows in popularity. I have written about this here for months, most recently in addressing the new policy of numbering anonymous commenters; see the last article under “Announcements,” where I just posted the news that Taki’s has now pulled the plug on its degraded commentariat. A variety of the bad apple is this person, who as I’ve suggested to him directly is parasitizing in order to draw people to his own website.

    I hope that Mr. Unz can better manage us before the good authors and commenters start to leave in disgust.

    By the way, I would love to see the better writers here like you, Mr. Giraldi, Mr. Whitney, and Mr. Hopkins engage the likes of Andrew Napolitano, who carries Establishment water on Trump and Russia but, unlike you, is afraid to interact with we mere commenters.

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  • @anonymous
    You’re apparently not very familiar with this columnist’s work over the years. Or perhaps you mined out a sentence to straw man so that you could post another link to, let me guess, your website?

    Linh Dinh,

    After a spell, I see another of your fine pieces, casual at the start, terse at the end. And this one, more terse than most, 2 syllables, 2 words: “Will you?”

    Then I see this comment of yours with the final 2 words, “I’m afraid.” I believe that.

    I think your fear is real and, though universal, it is for unseeing, betrayed Americans. You spent much of your life in the USA and, as with Nam, it became a part of you. How else to explain your disappointment? You can’t cut it out. Nor can anyone.

    This is very nice work, subtle and poignant, like the work of a philosopher poet, ethical and beautiful.

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    Hi Da Wei,

    The emails I get from friends back in Philly show increasing frustration, sadness and/or anger. Half of the country sees the other half as insane, but all of it is sliding into madness, by design. It is striking, our collective impotence to prevent this.


    Linh
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  • @Godfree Roberts
    "In war, however, the state must be intrusive, coercive and unjust to even function, so the fact that many are becoming increasingly totalitarian must mean they’re preparing for strifes of all kinds, external and internal."

    Preparing?! What were you smoking in chilled-out Nghe An?

    Perhaps you drifted off after America stopped Vietnam so you missed the fact that it didn't stop bombing.

    It's bombed 40 countries since them–some for more than a decade–and is threatening to bomb some more this week.

    It's also threatening to attack a country whose only real claim to fame is that it has disemboweled every super power that has attacked it and is the sole owner of an offensive weapons suite against which we have zero defense.

    That's why everyone's preparing.

    You’re apparently not very familiar with this columnist’s work over the years. Or perhaps you mined out a sentence to straw man so that you could post another link to, let me guess, your website?

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    Linh Dinh,

    After a spell, I see another of your fine pieces, casual at the start, terse at the end. And this one, more terse than most, 2 syllables, 2 words: "Will you?"

    Then I see this comment of yours with the final 2 words, "I'm afraid." I believe that.

    I think your fear is real and, though universal, it is for unseeing, betrayed Americans. You spent much of your life in the USA and, as with Nam, it became a part of you. How else to explain your disappointment? You can't cut it out. Nor can anyone.

    This is very nice work, subtle and poignant, like the work of a philosopher poet, ethical and beautiful.
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  • Maybe someone can explain how Unz has become a magnet for so many flippant and angry people who can’t read? I mean, if Godfree Roberts thinks “many” refers to just one country, then can he understand anything at all?

    He’s hardly alone, however, for after each Unz article, there are commenters who have become enraged or triggered because they can’t read a basic word or sentence.

    We’re watching American degeneracy in real time, I’m afraid.

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    "Maybe someone can explain...."

    I agree about the general degeneration of the country. But I'm afraid that we're also seeing the typical decline of the comment threads on any controversial website that grows in popularity. I have written about this here for months, most recently in addressing the new policy of numbering anonymous commenters; see the last article under "Announcements," where I just posted the news that Taki's has now pulled the plug on its degraded commentariat. A variety of the bad apple is this person, who as I've suggested to him directly is parasitizing in order to draw people to his own website.

    I hope that Mr. Unz can better manage us before the good authors and commenters start to leave in disgust.

    By the way, I would love to see the better writers here like you, Mr. Giraldi, Mr. Whitney, and Mr. Hopkins engage the likes of Andrew Napolitano, who carries Establishment water on Trump and Russia but, unlike you, is afraid to interact with we mere commenters.
    , @ChuckOrloski
    Linh Dinh reflected & wisely commented:. "We’re watching American degeneracy in real time, I’m afraid."

    Another masterpiece travel-article, Linh, and thank you!

    B.t.w., the groom's father's decision to bolt after finding the bride's door locked to his family, and afterward coordination of a quicky marriage to a waitress, was unforgettably comical.

    Also, I relate to Borges' having categorized human copulation as "abominable;" it's not much different than how dogs and horses "do it," propagate their specie.

    (Note:I am bad at times, Linh, thinking that The Creator might have done better with the instinctual "hot-to-trot" act of human procreation by having engineered some level of moral responsibility within the brains of participant fuckers)

    Writing as a four-year veteran school bus driver, I have interacted with many neglected & subsequently troubled elementary Scranton school children. At times after having professionally disciplined (yelled at) a 3rd grader for misconduct on bus, his nutty mother/guardian would start preemptive WAR with me upon the kid's drop off at home.

    Will I survive such embattled employment & proliferating "American degeneracy"?
    Chances are better, given a pregnant supply of opium, reduction of spousal support, and having a sane & safe place to "lay my head."

    Thanks for the education!
    , @GourmetDan

    We’re watching American degeneracy in real time, I’m afraid.
     
    Nah... you're just seeing a deliberate campaign by globalist agents to spread FUD on a site that has become popular enough that it needs to be countered...
    , @Bragadocious
    Godfree states he grew up in Australia, Dinhbat. Which I think would make him an Aussie, not a Yank. But don't let that stop you, as you're not one who concerns himself with, um, facts.

    We're watching Indochinese derangement in real time, I'm afraid.

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  • @Godfree Roberts
    "In war, however, the state must be intrusive, coercive and unjust to even function, so the fact that many are becoming increasingly totalitarian must mean they’re preparing for strifes of all kinds, external and internal."

    Preparing?! What were you smoking in chilled-out Nghe An?

    Perhaps you drifted off after America stopped Vietnam so you missed the fact that it didn't stop bombing.

    It's bombed 40 countries since them–some for more than a decade–and is threatening to bomb some more this week.

    It's also threatening to attack a country whose only real claim to fame is that it has disemboweled every super power that has attacked it and is the sole owner of an offensive weapons suite against which we have zero defense.

    That's why everyone's preparing.

    You must be one hell of a navel-gazing, narcissistic American to think that my writing “they’re preparing” somehow refers only to the USA.

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    Evening, Linh.

    Roberts is also a columnist on Unz, as you likely know. In my opinion, silly.

    Thank you for another very interesting article and minor apology for previous incorrect but natural assumption.

    Recent change of workplace (not job), I am in an office room where I am the only one who is not Viet. They are nice people, slowly learning names.
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  • “In war, however, the state must be intrusive, coercive and unjust to even function, so the fact that many are becoming increasingly totalitarian must mean they’re preparing for strifes of all kinds, external and internal.”

    Preparing?! What were you smoking in chilled-out Nghe An?

    Perhaps you drifted off after America stopped Vietnam so you missed the fact that it didn’t stop bombing.

    It’s bombed 40 countries since them–some for more than a decade–and is threatening to bomb some more this week.

    It’s also threatening to attack a country whose only real claim to fame is that it has disemboweled every super power that has attacked it and is the sole owner of an offensive weapons suite against which we have zero defense.

    That’s why everyone’s preparing.

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    You must be one hell of a navel-gazing, narcissistic American to think that my writing "they’re preparing" somehow refers only to the USA.
    , @anonymous
    You’re apparently not very familiar with this columnist’s work over the years. Or perhaps you mined out a sentence to straw man so that you could post another link to, let me guess, your website?
    , @Truth

    It’s also threatening to attack a country whose only real claim to fame is that it has disemboweled every super power that has attacked it and is the sole owner of an offensive weapons suite against which we have zero defense.
     
    We're declaring war on Israel?
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  • Or asked differently:

    Do you belong to a strong tribe?

    Seems to me the US tribal boundaries are clearly divided between urban and rural for the most part. Since the urban areas have the larger population base the politicians elected by them will necessarily impose their will over the rural tribe(See California). At what point does this coercion lead to a breaking point? Is there enough cohesion among the widely spread rural tribe to resist this coercion? What level of coercion are the Urbanists ready to employ?

    Clearly one side has the advantage but passion often wins these wars (See Vietnam).

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  • In 1987, V.S. Naipaul was asked by Andrew Robinson, “Have the immigrants from Asia and the Caribbean changed British life?” Naipaul, “I feel that there will be a lot of difficulty. I don’t see how it can be avoided, especially with these immigrants who are not seeking a new identity or a new kind of...
  • That’s the beauty of being free from a collectivist mind. The motion of the world is swayed by the ingenuity of American individualists.

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  • @Corvinus
    "What do you think about the idea that people should care about others and not just themselves?"

    In part because of the social media explosion, in part because the Democrats and Republicans within the past decade have been coarser within their own ranks as well as against one another, and in part because of the decline in religious I faith are factors why I believe that there has been a significant decline in why people are neglecting to look out for one another. It seems to me it's increasingly becoming a "me" world.

    "I think it’s healthier and more ethical for people to look beyond their selfish desires and care about other people and not just themselves. Do you agree?"

    I was channel surfing this past weekend. I came across on old episode of the Dick Cavett Show. Lauren Becall, F. Lee Bailey, Robert Vaughan, Roy Wilkins, a Republican Congressman, and two others discussed racial tension, the Vietnam War, and economic slowdown--all calmly, reasonably, and civilly.

    "I think that right now in America people care only about themselves. For instsnce, wealth is increasingly concentrated in the hands of a tiny few, and companies no longer guarantee employment for employees and employees are no longer expected to remain loyal to their companies if a better offer comes along. CEOs make decisions based on short term profits even if this harms their employees in the long run."

    No argument from me.

    "One of the themes I’ve noticed about your comments here Corvinus is that you strenuously oppose any effort to get white people to start caring about each other the way other groups in America and across the world do."

    I strenuously oppose when white people call other white people "race traitors" or "cucks" for not looking out for their own kind. If white people want to form groups and ensure the ways of their race, more power to them. But just do not expect other white people to join in, nor demand that they not call into question the motivations behind it.

    It’s almost as if white people caring about each other is a personal threat to you….

    "Why do you think it’s such a threat to you that I suggest white people start caring about each other like the Japanese or the Chinese or the Jews do?"

    Because white people are NOT the Japanese, Chinese, or Jews. White people are heterogenous. They are a race. The Japanese, Chinese, and Jews are ethnic groups with a distinct history compared to American or European whites. American whites generally do not refer themselves as "Anglos" or "Europeans". Must they in order for them to be "accepted" by the Alt Right?

    It’s very strange…

    I’m not alt-right, Corvinus, and I think white people should be caring and kind to all people on earth, including non-whites. I just think white people should start caring about each other, which they’re not doing now. Charity starts at home, they say.

    I would think my position is pretty benign and uncontroversual, even in keeping with the ethical notions of most of mankind….and yet for the life of me I can’t shake this feeling that you’re opposed to it, and I just can’t figure out why…

    That’s silly. Americans do have a distinct history, and the Chinese have plenty of “non-distinct” history; I mean, what is the distinct history of the Malaysian Chinese, Singaporean Chinese or mainland Chinese? Its all pretty meaningfully different. But there’s still an effort, even if its lip service, to consider the impact of the self as a member of the community. Because ultimately, we’re isolated cells. We’re all fish inside the larger stream of society, and our actions impact more than ourselves.

    Its one of those things which seems almost ridiculous silly to argue with AaronB with, as he pretty obviously has nontrivial knowledge on this.

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  • “What do you think about the idea that people should care about others and not just themselves?”

    In part because of the social media explosion, in part because the Democrats and Republicans within the past decade have been coarser within their own ranks as well as against one another, and in part because of the decline in religious I faith are factors why I believe that there has been a significant decline in why people are neglecting to look out for one another. It seems to me it’s increasingly becoming a “me” world.

    “I think it’s healthier and more ethical for people to look beyond their selfish desires and care about other people and not just themselves. Do you agree?”

    I was channel surfing this past weekend. I came across on old episode of the Dick Cavett Show. Lauren Becall, F. Lee Bailey, Robert Vaughan, Roy Wilkins, a Republican Congressman, and two others discussed racial tension, the Vietnam War, and economic slowdown–all calmly, reasonably, and civilly.

    “I think that right now in America people care only about themselves. For instsnce, wealth is increasingly concentrated in the hands of a tiny few, and companies no longer guarantee employment for employees and employees are no longer expected to remain loyal to their companies if a better offer comes along. CEOs make decisions based on short term profits even if this harms their employees in the long run.”

    No argument from me.

    “One of the themes I’ve noticed about your comments here Corvinus is that you strenuously oppose any effort to get white people to start caring about each other the way other groups in America and across the world do.”

    I strenuously oppose when white people call other white people “race traitors” or “cucks” for not looking out for their own kind. If white people want to form groups and ensure the ways of their race, more power to them. But just do not expect other white people to join in, nor demand that they not call into question the motivations behind it.

    It’s almost as if white people caring about each other is a personal threat to you….

    “Why do you think it’s such a threat to you that I suggest white people start caring about each other like the Japanese or the Chinese or the Jews do?”

    Because white people are NOT the Japanese, Chinese, or Jews. White people are heterogenous. They are a race. The Japanese, Chinese, and Jews are ethnic groups with a distinct history compared to American or European whites. American whites generally do not refer themselves as “Anglos” or “Europeans”. Must they in order for them to be “accepted” by the Alt Right?

    It’s very strange…

    I’m not alt-right, Corvinus, and I think white people should be caring and kind to all people on earth, including non-whites. I just think white people should start caring about each other, which they’re not doing now. Charity starts at home, they say.

    I would think my position is pretty benign and uncontroversual, even in keeping with the ethical notions of most of mankind….and yet for the life of me I can’t shake this feeling that you’re opposed to it, and I just can’t figure out why…

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    That's silly. Americans do have a distinct history, and the Chinese have plenty of "non-distinct" history; I mean, what is the distinct history of the Malaysian Chinese, Singaporean Chinese or mainland Chinese? Its all pretty meaningfully different. But there's still an effort, even if its lip service, to consider the impact of the self as a member of the community. Because ultimately, we're isolated cells. We're all fish inside the larger stream of society, and our actions impact more than ourselves.

    Its one of those things which seems almost ridiculous silly to argue with AaronB with, as he pretty obviously has nontrivial knowledge on this.
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  • @Corvinus
    "It’s such a defect that Asian societies are rapidly becoming wealthier and more powerful than ours while managing to modernize without developing our social ills."

    That is patently false. Asian nations are beset with similar problems.

    https://asiafoundation.org/2014/01/22/the-critical-issues-affecting-asia

    " the American myth of individualism"

    That is patently false. Please educate yourself on this important matter.

    http://www.hooverpress.org/American-Individualism-P635.aspx

    Thanks for your links, corvinus, I will look into these important matters.

    What do you think about the idea that people should care about others and not just themselves?

    I think it’s healthier and more ethical for people to look beyond their selfish desires and care about other people and not just themselves.

    Do you agree?

    I think that right now in America people care only about themselves. For instsnce, wealth is increasingly concentrated in the hands of a tiny few, and companies no longer guarantee employment for employees and employees are no longer expected to remain loyal to their companies if a better offer comes along. CEOs make decisions based on short term profits even if this harms their employees in the long run.

    Conatrast this with Japan.

    One of the themes I’ve noticed about your comments here Corvinus is that you strenuously oppose any effort to get white people to start caring about each other the way other groups in America and across the world do.

    It’s almost as if white people caring about each other is a personal threat to you….

    Why do you think it’s such a threat to you that I suggest white people start caring about each other like the Japanese or the Chinese or the Jews do?

    It’s very strange…

    I’m not alt-right, Corvinus, and I think white people should be caring and kind to all people on earth, including non-whites. I just think white people should start caring about each other, which they’re not doing now. Charity starts at home, they say.

    I would think my position is pretty benign and uncontroversual, even in keeping with the ethical notions of most of mankind….and yet for the life of me I can’t shake this feeling that you’re opposed to it, and I just can’t figure out why…

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  • @Linh Dinh
    Hi all,

    Robert Stark has interviewed a number of Unz contributors, including Ron Unz, Anatoly Karlin and Jayman. Recently, he talked to me. Here's the link.


    Linh

    Nice interview, thanks. He does a good job of giving you time to develop your points.

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  • @Felix Culpa
    @AaronB-fuddled
    Granted that centuries of ingrained knivery is a practice that can achieve some material gain in the short run and the current culturally accepted practice of intellectual theft from the west is I'm sure widely praised within the collective.
    The fact that they do not have the intellectual and creative abilities to develop their own disruptive technologies is a testament to depredations of collectivist thoughts.
    They're able to steal and manufacture like a good worker ant but the mind in the collective is barely able to perceive anything not enjoined by the collective. A progressive dementia that leaves the victim in a state of constant fear; have I satisfied the collective today?

    You have the most interesting fantasies.

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  • @Arglebargle
    Do you get a certain glee from being excruciatingly tedious? Like a child gets from smelling his own farts?

    You’ve actually seen a child derive glee from this activity, or is this colorful SWiPpLe imagery?

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  • Great article Linh. I have a strong interest in Southeast Asia with a current focus on Thailand and Vietnam, so I have really been enjoying your recent columns.

    Just as a man who claims to love all women, loves no woman …

    Truer words have never been spoken.

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  • @Truth


    Only three groups have iconic power in America. Jews, blacks, and homos.
     
    You say this like it's a bad thing.

    Do you get a certain glee from being excruciatingly tedious? Like a child gets from smelling his own farts?

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    You've actually seen a child derive glee from this activity, or is this colorful SWiPpLe imagery?
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  • Hi all,

    Robert Stark has interviewed a number of Unz contributors, including Ron Unz, Anatoly Karlin and Jayman. Recently, he talked to me. Here’s the link.

    Linh

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    Nice interview, thanks. He does a good job of giving you time to develop your points.
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  • @Anon
    but with multiculturalism replacing the melting pot as an ideal

    No, multicuturalism isn't the new idealism.

    The West is now all about vanity, celebrity, fame, fortune, glitz, and razzle-dazzle.

    So, most cultures and peoples get no respect in the West. They are considered boring, lame, and dull by attention-deficit-affected Westeners. Also, the immigrants and their children fall under the spell of what is 'cool' and 'hot' and, soon enough, they imitate whatever dominates pop culture.

    So, the result is neither multi-culturalism(where every culture is deemed to have equal value) nor melting pot(where all peoples meld into the basic foundational template) but more like Magnetic Altars. Most groups, lacking iconic value of their own, gravitate toward the iconic groups in either adulation or imitation.

    https://youtu.be/uxNvB6krJUA?t=41s

    So, if we look at Viets, Laotians, Cambodians, and other Southeast Asian types in the US, they are NOT defined by their own histories and cultures but by imitation of black culture, worship of homo culture, or (if they enter the deep state) service to Zionist power. Linh Dinh is an exception than the rule.

    Look at these SE Asian kids in the video below. Their culture is little more than imitating black culture. They gravitate around the Magnetic Altar of blackishness.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0rWLeBDG7s

    Only three groups have iconic power in America. Jews, blacks, and homos.
    Blacks because they dominate sports and pop music. Also, there is now global obsession of the 'twerking' black booty and the black dong.
    Homos command much of style and pop culture. And they are the most narcissistic and self-worshiping people, which can't hurt in the Age of Vanity.
    Jews got the media to promote themselves. They also push the Shoah narrative as religion.
    But Jews are now vulnerable in one area in which they were very iconic: Comedy and Wit. With PC making so much comedy impossible and with Jews now serving as the Establishment at war with irreverence -- NO Jokes about trannies!! -- , there is a war on wit, and this is bound to hurt Jewish iconicism. Would people like Woody Allen and Mel Brooks have gotten far in today's climate? Even milder Jerry Seinfeld gave up the college comedy circuit.

    Whites are a strange case. They obviously do have iconic value because other races find both the men and women attractive. Even though white men lose to blacks in sports, their facial features are still more preferred. And white women still dominate fashion.
    But whiteness must be a silent iconism that can't declare itself. It exists to be taken and enjoyed by other groups.

    Only three groups have iconic power in America. Jews, blacks, and homos.

    You say this like it’s a bad thing.

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  • Hey Linhho; our conservative president is doing his job and PROTECTING OR BORDER!

    https://www.khmertimeskh.com/50299574/more-than-40-cambodians-deported-from-us-arriving-today/

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  • @AaronB
    I hear you, Felix. It's such a defect that Asian societies are rapidly becoming wealthier and more powerful than ours while managing to modernize without developing our social ills, and Asians within our country are becoming an elite by collectively promoting their group interests.

    But at least you are a special snowflake - a unique individual -
    possibly even a genius - beholden to no one, and not an insect-like Asian grind.

    “It’s such a defect that Asian societies are rapidly becoming wealthier and more powerful than ours while managing to modernize without developing our social ills.”

    That is patently false. Asian nations are beset with similar problems.

    https://asiafoundation.org/2014/01/22/the-critical-issues-affecting-asia

    ” the American myth of individualism”

    That is patently false. Please educate yourself on this important matter.

    http://www.hooverpress.org/American-Individualism-P635.aspx

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    Thanks for your links, corvinus, I will look into these important matters.

    What do you think about the idea that people should care about others and not just themselves?

    I think it's healthier and more ethical for people to look beyond their selfish desires and care about other people and not just themselves.

    Do you agree?

    I think that right now in America people care only about themselves. For instsnce, wealth is increasingly concentrated in the hands of a tiny few, and companies no longer guarantee employment for employees and employees are no longer expected to remain loyal to their companies if a better offer comes along. CEOs make decisions based on short term profits even if this harms their employees in the long run.

    Conatrast this with Japan.

    One of the themes I've noticed about your comments here Corvinus is that you strenuously oppose any effort to get white people to start caring about each other the way other groups in America and across the world do.

    It's almost as if white people caring about each other is a personal threat to you....

    Why do you think it's such a threat to you that I suggest white people start caring about each other like the Japanese or the Chinese or the Jews do?

    It's very strange...

    I'm not alt-right, Corvinus, and I think white people should be caring and kind to all people on earth, including non-whites. I just think white people should start caring about each other, which they're not doing now. Charity starts at home, they say.

    I would think my position is pretty benign and uncontroversual, even in keeping with the ethical notions of most of mankind....and yet for the life of me I can't shake this feeling that you're opposed to it, and I just can't figure out why...
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  • -fuddled
    Granted that centuries of ingrained knivery is a practice that can achieve some material gain in the short run and the current culturally accepted practice of intellectual theft from the west is I’m sure widely praised within the collective.
    The fact that they do not have the intellectual and creative abilities to develop their own disruptive technologies is a testament to depredations of collectivist thoughts.
    They’re able to steal and manufacture like a good worker ant but the mind in the collective is barely able to perceive anything not enjoined by the collective. A progressive dementia that leaves the victim in a state of constant fear; have I satisfied the collective today?

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    You have the most interesting fantasies.
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  • @Bay Area Guy
    "In the course of my life, I have seen Frenchmen, Italians, Russians, etc.; I am even aware, thanks to Montesquieu, that one can be a Persian. But, as for Man, I declare that I have never met him in my life. If he exists, I certainly have no knowledge of him."

    -Joseph de Maistre

    The thing is, individualism can work - but only in homogenous societies where the vast majority of people subscribe to individualism. In diverse societies where every other group except yours is tribal, individualism amounts to unilateral disarmament.

    Actually, individualism thrives when culture and shared assumptions provide a principle of unity and overarching sense of safety and common purpose.

    British culture fostered eccentricity and character when it also offered everyone a sense of safety and security through shared cultural norms that acted as an umbrella for the development of individual character.

    Today, I am struck by the character and eccentricity of the Japanese and Chinese people I meet – they are full of humor and quirkiness and a refreshing contrast to the enforced blandness and conformity of Americans. Americans, lacking a unifying cultural principle, cannot afford eccentricity or quirkiness.

    British and Europeans who still preserve some semblance of cultural unity also display a refreshing individuality and quirky humor.

    Americans are the true bland conformists.

    Stop thinking in simplistic binary terms – the American myth of individualism is a compensation fantasy for what we cannot afford to have, lacking any unifying principle.

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  • “In the course of my life, I have seen Frenchmen, Italians, Russians, etc.; I am even aware, thanks to Montesquieu, that one can be a Persian. But, as for Man, I declare that I have never met him in my life. If he exists, I certainly have no knowledge of him.”

    -Joseph de Maistre

    The thing is, individualism can work – but only in homogenous societies where the vast majority of people subscribe to individualism. In diverse societies where every other group except yours is tribal, individualism amounts to unilateral disarmament.

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    Actually, individualism thrives when culture and shared assumptions provide a principle of unity and overarching sense of safety and common purpose.

    British culture fostered eccentricity and character when it also offered everyone a sense of safety and security through shared cultural norms that acted as an umbrella for the development of individual character.

    Today, I am struck by the character and eccentricity of the Japanese and Chinese people I meet - they are full of humor and quirkiness and a refreshing contrast to the enforced blandness and conformity of Americans. Americans, lacking a unifying cultural principle, cannot afford eccentricity or quirkiness.

    British and Europeans who still preserve some semblance of cultural unity also display a refreshing individuality and quirky humor.

    Americans are the true bland conformists.

    Stop thinking in simplistic binary terms - the American myth of individualism is a compensation fantasy for what we cannot afford to have, lacking any unifying principle.
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  • I hear you, Felix. It’s such a defect that Asian societies are rapidly becoming wealthier and more powerful than ours while managing to modernize without developing our social ills, and Asians within our country are becoming an elite by collectively promoting their group interests.

    But at least you are a special snowflake – a unique individual -
    possibly even a genius – beholden to no one, and not an insect-like Asian grind.

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    "It’s such a defect that Asian societies are rapidly becoming wealthier and more powerful than ours while managing to modernize without developing our social ills."

    That is patently false. Asian nations are beset with similar problems.

    https://asiafoundation.org/2014/01/22/the-critical-issues-affecting-asia

    " the American myth of individualism"

    That is patently false. Please educate yourself on this important matter.

    http://www.hooverpress.org/American-Individualism-P635.aspx

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  • My compassion extends infinitly wide when I remember what harms me. I don’t need acceptance in a collective to extend compassion.
    The propensity of Asians for a large scale collective, whether emperors or communists, is certainly a defect due in no small measure to its native religions.

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  • @Felix Culpa
    There is no true love without self love. If the telos of an individual is complete assimilation into some collective that self hatred will manifest itself in its hatred for other collectives. Organic collectives free of governmental coercion; the goal.

    In Buddhagnosa’s classic text “the path of purification”, which is a standard text among several Buddhist denominations, the very first exercise in developing compassion for others is to first develop self-love and self-compassion.

    Compassion is a widening circle outwards.

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  • There is no true love without self love. If the telos of an individual is complete assimilation into some collective that self hatred will manifest itself in its hatred for other collectives. Organic collectives free of governmental coercion; the goal.

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    • Replies: @AaronB
    In Buddhagnosa's classic text "the path of purification", which is a standard text among several Buddhist denominations, the very first exercise in developing compassion for others is to first develop self-love and self-compassion.

    Compassion is a widening circle outwards.
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  • History is primarily a chronicle of wars and invasions, most often among neighbors, so every inch of every border has been fiercely fought over, for that’s how any population maintains its autonomy, integrity and identity. Plus, you need land to prosper so, often, you grab your neighbor’s when he’s weak. Everyone has done this. Everyone....
  • @AaronB
    Thais have a myth that they have never been colonized because they are a superior race whose only peer in Asia is Japan, who also was never colonized. It sounds insane, but I kid you not, this is how they think - and they are extremely touchy and sensitive about it, because the obvious realities of their international position don't support such an inflated self image.

    By saying Japan conquered Thailand you are putting severe strain on their mythical self image and forcing them to confront a reality they would rather avoid.

    In reality, Thailand was not colonized because the British and the French preferred to have a buffer state between their respective colonial empires and because Thailand skillfully submitted to western demands and expectations - a talent for political pliancy it displayed again after ww2 when switched sides again. This didn't stop the French from seizing Laos and the British from annexing some southern Thai provinces into Malaysia, which the Thais are still bitter about.

    Once you understand Thais self perception you can better avoid these controversial subjects - they genuinely see themselves as the master race of SEA. Its better to avoid these subjects with a smile - inwardly, of course. Thais are a cool people - we can forgive them their silliness.

    Thanks for your comments. I never heard Thais say much about the Japanese when I was there.

    About the second war. There is a book called “Consul in Paradise”. The author, a British diplomat, who spends 174 pages talking about how interesting and pleasant it was to live in Thailand says in the introduction

    “It has been suggested to me that I should write something about the part played by Siam in World War II. I cannot bring myself to do this. I have long since forgiven the injuries that were inflicted on me during that painful period, and my only desire now is to forget them.”

    And does not discuss the matter again for the rest of the book.

    Inscrutable Occidentals.

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  • @Suntorn
    I think that you have either misread or misinterpreted the comments that I've made to you. Understanding that Thailand was once a fascist country doesn't mean that I am equating nationalism with fascism. One can be a nationalist without being a fascist but you can't be a fascist without being a nationalist. The reforms made in Thailand under Phibun's fascist rule radically changed the nation. You can't understand current Thai nationalism without understanding Thailand's fascist past. The very name of the country, the idea of a unified Thai people, and how Thais see themselves today all have roots in that time period.

    Since you've written an article about Thai nationalism, I would hope that you have a genuine interest in where those feelings of nationalism stem from. I would encourage you to read these very short articles:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Thailand_(1932%E2%80%931973)#Fascist_Thailand

    And from that era of fascism, came the Thai cultural mandates. These have had the greatest effect on changing the country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_cultural_mandates

    Suntorn,

    thanks for the link to Wikipedia. Cut Linh some slack, he was reporting about Thailand but he give his experiences from many countries, we should be polite to him.

    The link was interesting because when I was in Thailand there was this weird tendency towards homogeneity. I would have a conversation about religion and many people would say “all religions say that we should be good and avoid sin”. I am paraphrasing but everyone would use almost exactly the same words. Another example that sounds odd, I would go to buy a bowl of noodles and all noodle sellers would have their materials organized in exactly the same way on the shelves of their carts. This sounds petty but I was there for four years. There was a right way to organize everything down to the most petty details.

    Happy to hear that Linh’s Vietnamese contacts there were happy. My impression was that Thais found the Laos comical and stupid, but there was no real bad feeling. They would tell stories of Vietnamese boiling rice by burying three children up to their necks into the ground so they could use their heads to support the rice pot.

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  • @Suntorn
    Not an accident of history. As you said so yourself, skilled diplomacy played a major part in Thailand remaining independent. Could Thailand have been defeated by a European power? Yes, but they weren't. Could the Japanese have defeated the Thais? Yes, but they didn't.

    And for those who still want to insist that Japan defeated Thailand in WW2, it didn't happen that way:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_invasion_of_Thailand

    Thais don't get upset when others claim that the Japanese defeated Thailand because of delusions of grandeur. Thais get annoyed because it's simply not true and then people who can't be bothered to learn the history want to argue that it is.

    Ok, fair enough, your position seems reasonable. And yes, skillful diplomacy did play a role. Credit where its due.

    But I still think you guys are too sensitive about this stuff, and it’s unnecessary. I think Thais are experiencing too much stress these days, and this adds to it.

    Anyways I have no beef with Thais. I have always been very warmly and hospitably treated on my visits.

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  • @AaronB
    The pride is misplaced, because Thai independence is an accident of history and they could easily have ended up as any other country in the region. To allow this to become a source of touchy sensitivity and a sense of threatened superiority as reality continually collides with inflated self image is doing no one any favors, least of all Thais.

    You Thais have a tremendous amount to be proud of - one of the world's great distinctive cultures with a high level of aestheticism and sophistication, one of the world's great cuisines, and a very respectable level of economic developement even if comparisons to Europe or Japan are silly. Do yourselves a favor and let go of the misplaced pride which creates a totally unnecessary level of mental stress among Thais themselves.

    Not an accident of history. As you said so yourself, skilled diplomacy played a major part in Thailand remaining independent. Could Thailand have been defeated by a European power? Yes, but they weren’t. Could the Japanese have defeated the Thais? Yes, but they didn’t.

    And for those who still want to insist that Japan defeated Thailand in WW2, it didn’t happen that way:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_invasion_of_Thailand

    Thais don’t get upset when others claim that the Japanese defeated Thailand because of delusions of grandeur. Thais get annoyed because it’s simply not true and then people who can’t be bothered to learn the history want to argue that it is.

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    Ok, fair enough, your position seems reasonable. And yes, skillful diplomacy did play a role. Credit where its due.

    But I still think you guys are too sensitive about this stuff, and it's unnecessary. I think Thais are experiencing too much stress these days, and this adds to it.

    Anyways I have no beef with Thais. I have always been very warmly and hospitably treated on my visits.
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  • @Suntorn
    You exaggerate, but within your hyperbole there are kernels of truth. Thais don't think they are a superior race. Thais are extremely proud of their history of independence but Thais understand that they have been the lesser power in many instances and it was this knowledge that allowed Thais to swallow their pride and make concessions that were in their best interests.

    The pride is misplaced, because Thai independence is an accident of history and they could easily have ended up as any other country in the region. To allow this to become a source of touchy sensitivity and a sense of threatened superiority as reality continually collides with inflated self image is doing no one any favors, least of all Thais.

    You Thais have a tremendous amount to be proud of – one of the world’s great distinctive cultures with a high level of aestheticism and sophistication, one of the world’s great cuisines, and a very respectable level of economic developement even if comparisons to Europe or Japan are silly. Do yourselves a favor and let go of the misplaced pride which creates a totally unnecessary level of mental stress among Thais themselves.

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    Not an accident of history. As you said so yourself, skilled diplomacy played a major part in Thailand remaining independent. Could Thailand have been defeated by a European power? Yes, but they weren't. Could the Japanese have defeated the Thais? Yes, but they didn't.

    And for those who still want to insist that Japan defeated Thailand in WW2, it didn't happen that way:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_invasion_of_Thailand

    Thais don't get upset when others claim that the Japanese defeated Thailand because of delusions of grandeur. Thais get annoyed because it's simply not true and then people who can't be bothered to learn the history want to argue that it is.
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  • @AaronB
    Thais have a myth that they have never been colonized because they are a superior race whose only peer in Asia is Japan, who also was never colonized. It sounds insane, but I kid you not, this is how they think - and they are extremely touchy and sensitive about it, because the obvious realities of their international position don't support such an inflated self image.

    By saying Japan conquered Thailand you are putting severe strain on their mythical self image and forcing them to confront a reality they would rather avoid.

    In reality, Thailand was not colonized because the British and the French preferred to have a buffer state between their respective colonial empires and because Thailand skillfully submitted to western demands and expectations - a talent for political pliancy it displayed again after ww2 when switched sides again. This didn't stop the French from seizing Laos and the British from annexing some southern Thai provinces into Malaysia, which the Thais are still bitter about.

    Once you understand Thais self perception you can better avoid these controversial subjects - they genuinely see themselves as the master race of SEA. Its better to avoid these subjects with a smile - inwardly, of course. Thais are a cool people - we can forgive them their silliness.

    You exaggerate, but within your hyperbole there are kernels of truth. Thais don’t think they are a superior race. Thais are extremely proud of their history of independence but Thais understand that they have been the lesser power in many instances and it was this knowledge that allowed Thais to swallow their pride and make concessions that were in their best interests.

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    The pride is misplaced, because Thai independence is an accident of history and they could easily have ended up as any other country in the region. To allow this to become a source of touchy sensitivity and a sense of threatened superiority as reality continually collides with inflated self image is doing no one any favors, least of all Thais.

    You Thais have a tremendous amount to be proud of - one of the world's great distinctive cultures with a high level of aestheticism and sophistication, one of the world's great cuisines, and a very respectable level of economic developement even if comparisons to Europe or Japan are silly. Do yourselves a favor and let go of the misplaced pride which creates a totally unnecessary level of mental stress among Thais themselves.
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  • @Poupon Marx
    This only applies to WHTIE RICE, which is stripped of fiber and nutrients. Brown rice beats a whole baked potato in almost every category, save calcium, I believe. White rice is like white bread, relatively tasteless and just starch. There are other types of rice, e.g., basmati, Japanese Sushi Rice, and other variations. The American hybrid, "long grain white rice", is garbage like Kellogg cereal.

    50 Poupon Marx > White rice is like white bread, relatively tasteless and just starch.

    white rice, like white bread was invented for only one reason – to enable production of a product which would VISUALLY DISPLAY whether there had occurred an insect infestation

    You city people are a barrel of laughs

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  • In 1987, V.S. Naipaul was asked by Andrew Robinson, “Have the immigrants from Asia and the Caribbean changed British life?” Naipaul, “I feel that there will be a lot of difficulty. I don’t see how it can be avoided, especially with these immigrants who are not seeking a new identity or a new kind of...
  • It’s true, for most people love of group is the highest love they can know, and if you break it down they don’t start loving all of mankind but only loving themselves. Another example of the best being the enemy of the good.

    Take away love of group and people just become selfish individualists. And in fact love of group probably predisposes one more to love of mankind than selfish individualism.

    It’s clear now the end of nationalism is moral regression, not moral advance.

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  • History is primarily a chronicle of wars and invasions, most often among neighbors, so every inch of every border has been fiercely fought over, for that’s how any population maintains its autonomy, integrity and identity. Plus, you need land to prosper so, often, you grab your neighbor’s when he’s weak. Everyone has done this. Everyone....
  • @MikeatMikedotMike
    In my personal experience, this is correct. I had three shore liberties in Patong Beach, Thailand, and my observation was that about 95% of the local females made themselves available for sex for hire. I met up with one young lady who spoke very good English, who's family lived on a farm somewhere in central Thailand. There was no offense taken by females who were propositioned, as they don't assign morality to sexual intercourse the same way the West pretends to.

    48 MikeatMikedotMike > and my observation was that about 95% of the local females

    my observation is that you’re not very good at asking a girl where she’s from

    Most (at least today) working girls in the white-tourist red-light-districts are NOT Thai nationals

    Thailand has a fairly respectable economy going on. Even young girls from the Hill Tribes areas of up north, can come on down and get a job in the regular economy.

    Working-class Thai girls do sometimes try to make an extra buck on the side. They can afford the bus fare to Singapore, where a piece of ass goes for 20 times what it does back home.

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  • @Linh Dinh
    Hi Suntorn,

    Many Asian countries admired Japan before WWII, because it was never colonized, had defeated Russia and was modernizing quickly. Vietnamese nationalist organizations sent students to study in Japan. Then as now, nationalism is a more enlightening prism to observe a nation's behavior, I will insist, and much more so than "Fascism" or "Communism." Witness how Trump and his supporters are very misleadingly branded "Fascist." My maternal great-grandfather, Ngô Thúc Định, was one of the top officials in the pro-Japanese Vietnamese government during WWII, and he was certainly not a Fascist.

    Linh

    I think that you have either misread or misinterpreted the comments that I’ve made to you. Understanding that Thailand was once a fascist country doesn’t mean that I am equating nationalism with fascism. One can be a nationalist without being a fascist but you can’t be a fascist without being a nationalist. The reforms made in Thailand under Phibun’s fascist rule radically changed the nation. You can’t understand current Thai nationalism without understanding Thailand’s fascist past. The very name of the country, the idea of a unified Thai people, and how Thais see themselves today all have roots in that time period.

    Since you’ve written an article about Thai nationalism, I would hope that you have a genuine interest in where those feelings of nationalism stem from. I would encourage you to read these very short articles:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Thailand_(1932%E2%80%931973)#Fascist_Thailand

    And from that era of fascism, came the Thai cultural mandates. These have had the greatest effect on changing the country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_cultural_mandates

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    • Replies: @AKAHorace
    Suntorn,

    thanks for the link to Wikipedia. Cut Linh some slack, he was reporting about Thailand but he give his experiences from many countries, we should be polite to him.

    The link was interesting because when I was in Thailand there was this weird tendency towards homogeneity. I would have a conversation about religion and many people would say "all religions say that we should be good and avoid sin". I am paraphrasing but everyone would use almost exactly the same words. Another example that sounds odd, I would go to buy a bowl of noodles and all noodle sellers would have their materials organized in exactly the same way on the shelves of their carts. This sounds petty but I was there for four years. There was a right way to organize everything down to the most petty details.

    Happy to hear that Linh's Vietnamese contacts there were happy. My impression was that Thais found the Laos comical and stupid, but there was no real bad feeling. They would tell stories of Vietnamese boiling rice by burying three children up to their necks into the ground so they could use their heads to support the rice pot.
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  • @AKAHorace
    Linh,

    I think that the situation in Thailand in World War Two was ambiguous, as I said before. It is interesting that you are getting such a strong response as you are someone who drifts through countries and relates your experiences. I don't always agree with what you say (e.g. your remarks about the World Trade Centre terrorist in Barcelona) but you do not present yourself as an all knowing expert on anywhere that you visit. Saying that Thailand was a victim of the Japanese Empire reflects better on the Thailand than saying that it was an accomplice. Some people need the internet to pick fights, or you may have inadvertently shown something about Thai nationalism that I did not know before. I do remember reading that when they commerated events in the South, there were reports that the Thai military displayed indiscipline towards the Japanese.

    I am glad to hear that the Vietnamese you knew are not the subject of bad treatment from the Thais. Perhaps the place has changed for the better from when I was there.

    all the best

    Thais have a myth that they have never been colonized because they are a superior race whose only peer in Asia is Japan, who also was never colonized. It sounds insane, but I kid you not, this is how they think – and they are extremely touchy and sensitive about it, because the obvious realities of their international position don’t support such an inflated self image.

    By saying Japan conquered Thailand you are putting severe strain on their mythical self image and forcing them to confront a reality they would rather avoid.

    In reality, Thailand was not colonized because the British and the French preferred to have a buffer state between their respective colonial empires and because Thailand skillfully submitted to western demands and expectations – a talent for political pliancy it displayed again after ww2 when switched sides again. This didn’t stop the French from seizing Laos and the British from annexing some southern Thai provinces into Malaysia, which the Thais are still bitter about.

    Once you understand Thais self perception you can better avoid these controversial subjects – they genuinely see themselves as the master race of SEA. Its better to avoid these subjects with a smile – inwardly, of course. Thais are a cool people – we can forgive them their silliness.

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    • Replies: @Suntorn
    You exaggerate, but within your hyperbole there are kernels of truth. Thais don't think they are a superior race. Thais are extremely proud of their history of independence but Thais understand that they have been the lesser power in many instances and it was this knowledge that allowed Thais to swallow their pride and make concessions that were in their best interests.
    , @AKAHorace
    Thanks for your comments. I never heard Thais say much about the Japanese when I was there.

    About the second war. There is a book called "Consul in Paradise". The author, a British diplomat, who spends 174 pages talking about how interesting and pleasant it was to live in Thailand says in the introduction

    "It has been suggested to me that I should write something about the part played by Siam in World War II. I cannot bring myself to do this. I have long since forgiven the injuries that were inflicted on me during that painful period, and my only desire now is to forget them."

    And does not discuss the matter again for the rest of the book.

    Inscrutable Occidentals.
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  • @Suntorn
    The only references to fascism in the comments have been about Thailand's government during and before WW2. Thailand was considered a fascist government during that time period by its contemporaries. Thailand modeled itself after fascist Italy. Thailand's leader, Phibun, was a fascist dictator. These facts are not really in dispute, yet for some reason, you want to apply your particular 21st century views onto the historical record and insist that Thailand wasn't fascist. Would you then argue that Italy wasn't fascist?

    Field Marshal Plaek Phibunsongkhram, locally known as Chomphon Por, contemporarily known as Phibun in the West, was the longest serving 3rd Prime Minister of Thailand and fascist leader of Thailand from 1938 to 1944 and 1948 to 1957.
     

    Hi Suntorn,

    Many Asian countries admired Japan before WWII, because it was never colonized, had defeated Russia and was modernizing quickly. Vietnamese nationalist organizations sent students to study in Japan. Then as now, nationalism is a more enlightening prism to observe a nation’s behavior, I will insist, and much more so than “Fascism” or “Communism.” Witness how Trump and his supporters are very misleadingly branded “Fascist.” My maternal great-grandfather, Ngô Thúc Định, was one of the top officials in the pro-Japanese Vietnamese government during WWII, and he was certainly not a Fascist.

    Linh

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    • Replies: @Suntorn
    I think that you have either misread or misinterpreted the comments that I've made to you. Understanding that Thailand was once a fascist country doesn't mean that I am equating nationalism with fascism. One can be a nationalist without being a fascist but you can't be a fascist without being a nationalist. The reforms made in Thailand under Phibun's fascist rule radically changed the nation. You can't understand current Thai nationalism without understanding Thailand's fascist past. The very name of the country, the idea of a unified Thai people, and how Thais see themselves today all have roots in that time period.

    Since you've written an article about Thai nationalism, I would hope that you have a genuine interest in where those feelings of nationalism stem from. I would encourage you to read these very short articles:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Thailand_(1932%E2%80%931973)#Fascist_Thailand

    And from that era of fascism, came the Thai cultural mandates. These have had the greatest effect on changing the country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_cultural_mandates
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  • @Linh Dinh
    Hi AKAHorace,

    I know one family in Chanthaburi, and while there, I met a bunch of people through this family, so yes, they all knew I was Vietnamese. I also met a Vietnamese who had worked illegally in Bangkok for almost two years. He said the Thais treated him very fairly, and he loved the Thais and Thai culture. I met another Vietnamese who was working illegally in Chanthaburi as a parking lot attendant. He said his boss treated him well, and he made decent money. His wife was also in Thailand illegally.

    In the article, I simply stated that Thailand surrendered to Japan after a few hours of fighting, yet this simple fact provoked several enraged, indignant reactions. When I presented evidences or references that proved my point, they just kept on raging most hysterically.

    In my "Cambodia's Illegal Immigrants", I said, "In small country politics, everybody is always accusing everybody else of being a foreign lackey, and most of the time, all of them are at least partially correct."

    Born in Vietnam, I am acutely aware of compromised politics, so I would not mock, for example, Sihanouk, whom I described thus, "Using only media and diplomacy, a 30-year-old Norodom Sihanouk managed to win Cambodia’s independence from France, and he was allied, at various times, with Japan, the USA, China, the Soviet Union, North Korea and even Pol Pot, all to secure not just his nation’s survival, but his own."

    Again, Thailand's role in WWII was never remotely the subject of this article, but fine, we can talk about it and disagree, but at least we're talking civilly, like how men should talk.


    Linh

    Linh,

    I think that the situation in Thailand in World War Two was ambiguous, as I said before. It is interesting that you are getting such a strong response as you are someone who drifts through countries and relates your experiences. I don’t always agree with what you say (e.g. your remarks about the World Trade Centre terrorist in Barcelona) but you do not present yourself as an all knowing expert on anywhere that you visit. Saying that Thailand was a victim of the Japanese Empire reflects better on the Thailand than saying that it was an accomplice. Some people need the internet to pick fights, or you may have inadvertently shown something about Thai nationalism that I did not know before. I do remember reading that when they commerated events in the South, there were reports that the Thai military displayed indiscipline towards the Japanese.

    I am glad to hear that the Vietnamese you knew are not the subject of bad treatment from the Thais. Perhaps the place has changed for the better from when I was there.

    all the best

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    • Replies: @AaronB
    Thais have a myth that they have never been colonized because they are a superior race whose only peer in Asia is Japan, who also was never colonized. It sounds insane, but I kid you not, this is how they think - and they are extremely touchy and sensitive about it, because the obvious realities of their international position don't support such an inflated self image.

    By saying Japan conquered Thailand you are putting severe strain on their mythical self image and forcing them to confront a reality they would rather avoid.

    In reality, Thailand was not colonized because the British and the French preferred to have a buffer state between their respective colonial empires and because Thailand skillfully submitted to western demands and expectations - a talent for political pliancy it displayed again after ww2 when switched sides again. This didn't stop the French from seizing Laos and the British from annexing some southern Thai provinces into Malaysia, which the Thais are still bitter about.

    Once you understand Thais self perception you can better avoid these controversial subjects - they genuinely see themselves as the master race of SEA. Its better to avoid these subjects with a smile - inwardly, of course. Thais are a cool people - we can forgive them their silliness.
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  • @Linh Dinh
    Hi all,

    Several commenters here are conflating nationalism with Fascism. This increasingly common equation has been deliberately imposed on us by our mind masters, so a natural desire for national identity, unity or border integrity is now characterized as Fascistic. Putin, a nationalist leader, is endlessly labeled as "Fascist" by America's traitorous politicians, as well as its disgusting media.


    Linh

    The only references to fascism in the comments have been about Thailand’s government during and before WW2. Thailand was considered a fascist government during that time period by its contemporaries. Thailand modeled itself after fascist Italy. Thailand’s leader, Phibun, was a fascist dictator. These facts are not really in dispute, yet for some reason, you want to apply your particular 21st century views onto the historical record and insist that Thailand wasn’t fascist. Would you then argue that Italy wasn’t fascist?

    Field Marshal Plaek Phibunsongkhram, locally known as Chomphon Por, contemporarily known as Phibun in the West, was the longest serving 3rd Prime Minister of Thailand and fascist leader of Thailand from 1938 to 1944 and 1948 to 1957.

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    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
    Hi Suntorn,

    Many Asian countries admired Japan before WWII, because it was never colonized, had defeated Russia and was modernizing quickly. Vietnamese nationalist organizations sent students to study in Japan. Then as now, nationalism is a more enlightening prism to observe a nation's behavior, I will insist, and much more so than "Fascism" or "Communism." Witness how Trump and his supporters are very misleadingly branded "Fascist." My maternal great-grandfather, Ngô Thúc Định, was one of the top officials in the pro-Japanese Vietnamese government during WWII, and he was certainly not a Fascist.

    Linh

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  • @JNarbo
    Quite a few errors. "Since 1912, Thailand has had 21 coups d’état and 29 prime ministers," Siam was an absolute monarchy until 1932. The coups started later.
    Thailand never fought China, quite the opposite. Chinese merchants, statesmen and diplomats were welcomed.
    The stuff about King Taksin, a Chinese from Tak, western Thailand, who drove out the Burmese in 1767, is just silly. "...high-tailed to the Himalayas"? Rumors of insanity led to his assassination, sandalwood club over a silk hood.
    Disappointing piece that makes me wonder about the writer's other work. Having lived and worked as a journalist in Thailand for the last 30 years, I'd judge this fiction and not very good.
    In closing, when this piece is picked up by the Thai authorities, Linh Dinh will probably be blacklisted for false reporting and insulting the monarchy, and rightly so.

    worked as a journalist in Thailand for the last 30 years

    That’s like saying, “I’ve been a Bangkok whore for the last 30 years.” Since you’re a journalist, hence a public person, can we have your real name?

    Plus, you reveal your brown nose and Fascist credentials by suggesting I be “blacklisted for false reporting and insulting the monarchy.” Is there a bigger Uncle Tom in the house?

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  • Hi all,

    Several commenters here are conflating nationalism with Fascism. This increasingly common equation has been deliberately imposed on us by our mind masters, so a natural desire for national identity, unity or border integrity is now characterized as Fascistic. Putin, a nationalist leader, is endlessly labeled as “Fascist” by America’s traitorous politicians, as well as its disgusting media.

    Linh

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    • Replies: @Suntorn
    The only references to fascism in the comments have been about Thailand's government during and before WW2. Thailand was considered a fascist government during that time period by its contemporaries. Thailand modeled itself after fascist Italy. Thailand's leader, Phibun, was a fascist dictator. These facts are not really in dispute, yet for some reason, you want to apply your particular 21st century views onto the historical record and insist that Thailand wasn't fascist. Would you then argue that Italy wasn't fascist?

    Field Marshal Plaek Phibunsongkhram, locally known as Chomphon Por, contemporarily known as Phibun in the West, was the longest serving 3rd Prime Minister of Thailand and fascist leader of Thailand from 1938 to 1944 and 1948 to 1957.
     
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  • @AKAHorace
    Linh,

    Three points:

    -you are being very restrained and polite about Thailand in the second war. I think that it is difficult to say exactly who is right here because the situation was ambiguous and it was in the Thais interest to keep it so. They did not want to end up on the loosing side.

    -One of the products of Thai facism was pad Thai. They wanted a national dish.

    -when I was in Thailand there was a lot of bigotry towards Burmese and Vietnamese (called yuan, a very insulting term). Did the people you talked to know that you are Vietnamese ?

    Hi AKAHorace,

    I know one family in Chanthaburi, and while there, I met a bunch of people through this family, so yes, they all knew I was Vietnamese. I also met a Vietnamese who had worked illegally in Bangkok for almost two years. He said the Thais treated him very fairly, and he loved the Thais and Thai culture. I met another Vietnamese who was working illegally in Chanthaburi as a parking lot attendant. He said his boss treated him well, and he made decent money. His wife was also in Thailand illegally.

    In the article, I simply stated that Thailand surrendered to Japan after a few hours of fighting, yet this simple fact provoked several enraged, indignant reactions. When I presented evidences or references that proved my point, they just kept on raging most hysterically.

    In my “Cambodia’s Illegal Immigrants”, I said, “In small country politics, everybody is always accusing everybody else of being a foreign lackey, and most of the time, all of them are at least partially correct.”

    Born in Vietnam, I am acutely aware of compromised politics, so I would not mock, for example, Sihanouk, whom I described thus, “Using only media and diplomacy, a 30-year-old Norodom Sihanouk managed to win Cambodia’s independence from France, and he was allied, at various times, with Japan, the USA, China, the Soviet Union, North Korea and even Pol Pot, all to secure not just his nation’s survival, but his own.”

    Again, Thailand’s role in WWII was never remotely the subject of this article, but fine, we can talk about it and disagree, but at least we’re talking civilly, like how men should talk.

    Linh

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    • Replies: @AKAHorace
    Linh,

    I think that the situation in Thailand in World War Two was ambiguous, as I said before. It is interesting that you are getting such a strong response as you are someone who drifts through countries and relates your experiences. I don't always agree with what you say (e.g. your remarks about the World Trade Centre terrorist in Barcelona) but you do not present yourself as an all knowing expert on anywhere that you visit. Saying that Thailand was a victim of the Japanese Empire reflects better on the Thailand than saying that it was an accomplice. Some people need the internet to pick fights, or you may have inadvertently shown something about Thai nationalism that I did not know before. I do remember reading that when they commerated events in the South, there were reports that the Thai military displayed indiscipline towards the Japanese.

    I am glad to hear that the Vietnamese you knew are not the subject of bad treatment from the Thais. Perhaps the place has changed for the better from when I was there.

    all the best
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  • @Linh Dinh
    There is a reason why I write articles, signed by my real name, while you talk out of your ass as "Wally." It's been a huge waste of time talking to such an idiot.

    Linh,

    Three points:

    -you are being very restrained and polite about Thailand in the second war. I think that it is difficult to say exactly who is right here because the situation was ambiguous and it was in the Thais interest to keep it so. They did not want to end up on the loosing side.

    -One of the products of Thai facism was pad Thai. They wanted a national dish.

    -when I was in Thailand there was a lot of bigotry towards Burmese and Vietnamese (called yuan, a very insulting term). Did the people you talked to know that you are Vietnamese ?

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    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
    Hi AKAHorace,

    I know one family in Chanthaburi, and while there, I met a bunch of people through this family, so yes, they all knew I was Vietnamese. I also met a Vietnamese who had worked illegally in Bangkok for almost two years. He said the Thais treated him very fairly, and he loved the Thais and Thai culture. I met another Vietnamese who was working illegally in Chanthaburi as a parking lot attendant. He said his boss treated him well, and he made decent money. His wife was also in Thailand illegally.

    In the article, I simply stated that Thailand surrendered to Japan after a few hours of fighting, yet this simple fact provoked several enraged, indignant reactions. When I presented evidences or references that proved my point, they just kept on raging most hysterically.

    In my "Cambodia's Illegal Immigrants", I said, "In small country politics, everybody is always accusing everybody else of being a foreign lackey, and most of the time, all of them are at least partially correct."

    Born in Vietnam, I am acutely aware of compromised politics, so I would not mock, for example, Sihanouk, whom I described thus, "Using only media and diplomacy, a 30-year-old Norodom Sihanouk managed to win Cambodia’s independence from France, and he was allied, at various times, with Japan, the USA, China, the Soviet Union, North Korea and even Pol Pot, all to secure not just his nation’s survival, but his own."

    Again, Thailand's role in WWII was never remotely the subject of this article, but fine, we can talk about it and disagree, but at least we're talking civilly, like how men should talk.


    Linh

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