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    When people ask me what my new job is like, I tell them that I wake up very early and count the dead. When I say “very early,” I mean a few minutes after four a.m., as the sky is just softening to the color of faded purple corduroy. By “the dead,” I mostly mean...
  • +On October 22 2001, US warplanes attacked the remote Afghan farming village of Chowkar-Karez, 60 kilometers north of Kandahar, a Taliban stronghold. The Taliban says between 90 and 100 civilians were killed.

    The Pentagon acknowledges civilians were killed, but says the Taliban’s estimates are too high.

    Asked why a sortie had been flown against a remote farming village, the Pentagon told CNN that Chowkar-Karez was a fully legitimate target because it is a nest of Taliban and Al Qaeda sympathizers.

    According to the Toronto newspaper The Globe and Mail, a Pentagon official told CNN that, “The people there are dead because we wanted them dead.”

    No accident, no blunder. +

    http://www.swans.com/library/art7/gowans11.html

    ffw oct 2015
    the doctors in that kunduz hospital was dead cuz the usaf wanted them dead, why, they were taliban sympathizers.

    No accident, no blunder

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    Facts on the ground: "...just as bin Laden dreamed, Washington helped loose al-Qaeda and its successor outfits from the constraints of a more organized, controlled world. In these last 14 years of failed wars and conflicts of every sort, American military power, aided and abetted by the Saudis, the British, the French, and other countries on a case-by-case basis, essentially fractured the Greater Middle East. It helped create five failed states (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen), worlds in which terror groups could thrive and in the chaos of which they could attract ever more recruits."
    http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176071/tomgram%3A_engelhardt%2C_the_national_security_state%27s_incestuous_relationship_with_the_islamic_state/

    scratch the surface of any conflict in the world, chances are u’d find uncle sham’s slimy hand underneath.!

    this is how uncle sham the pro arsonist makes a living.
    set fire to a house, raise the fire alarm himself and voila, uncle sham the fire fighter was on the scene to put out the fire….by pouring oil on it !
    a classic example is it’s asia pivot provocation at china’s doorstep.
    crisis, alarm, solution. a package deal all in one.
    works like a charm since 1875 !

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    I don’t know who picked the picture at the top of the story, but it is a very misleading choice. Its important to understand that this was not a missile strike gone bad. This was not a mistaken choice of a target, followed by an “oops” after the missile was launched. The correct picture would be of an AC-130 Gunship. It doesn’t carry missiles. Instead, it features a bunch of guns, which I believe are side-mounted, so the plane can circle its target while unloading firepower from direct fire-aim and shoot- guns. The guns range from smaller, rapid fire cannon which fire shells in the 1 to 2 inch diameter range, but lots of them, up to 105 mm howitzers or ‘cannons’, which fire shells of 4 or 5 inch in diameter, and loaded with high explosives. Ie, guns the size of say a Destroyer Escort ship might mount. This was not a missile strike, but instead was people looking through gunsites, seeing the big ‘Hospital’ flag that MSF says was mounted on the hospital, and pulling the trigger. The only question is were they using the big red cross as an aiming point. The attack went on for an hour, with at least 5 passes by the aircraft, including using some of those smaller ‘cannon’ to gun down doctors who were running for their lives. With such a duration and number of passes, that means that someone in command of the operation kept making the evaluation that the target was not yet sufficiently destroyed and that the plane should attack again and again. It was not a ‘drone strike’. It was not a missile gone bad. It was a deliberate, hour-long, direct fire attack.

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  • @Avery
    {Who is the very attractive reporter with the black hair? I assume she is a reporter for one of the Russian media firms. Russia Insider, perhaps? She has a very good command of English, btw.}

    The attractive young lady is RT reporter Gayane Chichakyan: ethnic Armenian; living/working in Russia.

    You think Gayane is attractive ?
    Check out her boss, Margarita Simonyan.
    https://www.rt.com/about-us/management/

    Two young Armenian women kicking ugly, wrinkled Neocon butt.
    Very proud of our Armenian young ladies.

    Both are indeed very attractive, but I prefer Gayane. You are entitled to be proud of your Armenian beauties with brains. I was very impressed with Gayane’s ability as a reporter. If only American reporters were as persistent and direct in their questioning of American officials as she, we might have a more honest press here in America.

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  • @denk
    this is of course the same god's army that reduced fallujah to shards, after 4 blackwater killers were executed by iraqi resistance fighters.

    Ralph Peters, a retired US military officer, wrote in the New York Post,
    "Even if Fallujah has to go the way of Carthage [complete annihilation], reduced to shards, the price will be worth it…the world needs to see [Iraqi] corpses."

    http://www.uruknet.info/?p=18007

    Facts on the ground: “…just as bin Laden dreamed, Washington helped loose al-Qaeda and its successor outfits from the constraints of a more organized, controlled world. In these last 14 years of failed wars and conflicts of every sort, American military power, aided and abetted by the Saudis, the British, the French, and other countries on a case-by-case basis, essentially fractured the Greater Middle East. It helped create five failed states (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen), worlds in which terror groups could thrive and in the chaos of which they could attract ever more recruits.”

    http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176071/tomgram%3A_engelhardt%2C_the_national_security_state%27s_incestuous_relationship_with_the_islamic_state/

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    scratch the surface of any conflict in the world, chances are u'd find uncle sham's slimy hand underneath.!

    this is how uncle sham the pro arsonist makes a living.
    set fire to a house, raise the fire alarm himself and voila, uncle sham the fire fighter was on the scene to put out the fire....by pouring oil on it !
    a classic example is it's asia pivot provocation at china's doorstep.
    crisis, alarm, solution. a package deal all in one.
    works like a charm since 1875 !
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  • this is of course the same god’s army that reduced fallujah to shards, after 4 blackwater killers were executed by iraqi resistance fighters.

    Ralph Peters, a retired US military officer, wrote in the New York Post,
    Even if Fallujah has to go the way of Carthage [complete annihilation], reduced to shards, the price will be worth it…the world needs to see [Iraqi] corpses.

    http://www.uruknet.info/?p=18007

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    Facts on the ground: "...just as bin Laden dreamed, Washington helped loose al-Qaeda and its successor outfits from the constraints of a more organized, controlled world. In these last 14 years of failed wars and conflicts of every sort, American military power, aided and abetted by the Saudis, the British, the French, and other countries on a case-by-case basis, essentially fractured the Greater Middle East. It helped create five failed states (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen), worlds in which terror groups could thrive and in the chaos of which they could attract ever more recruits."
    http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176071/tomgram%3A_engelhardt%2C_the_national_security_state%27s_incestuous_relationship_with_the_islamic_state/
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  • @Avery
    {I’m appalled by the dead silence of the MSM on US bombing of Doctors without Borders. }

    Don't be appalled: MSM has become the Ministry of Propaganda and Disinformation for the warmongering Neocon filth that have infested the government of US. All MSM in US is owned by interconnected mega-corporations that benefit from promoting war all over the world.

    Not only MSM is covering up the actual bombing of a hospital by US AF, but State Dept is falsely accusing Russia of bombing a hospital in Syria, and MSM dutifully keep repeating the lie.

    [US State Dept Reps Caught in Obvious Lie]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9xkyfv3oGk


    and here is MSM spreading the boldfaced lie:

    [U.S. believes Russian bombing in Syria hit hospital: State Department]
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/29/us-mideast-crisis-russia-hospital-idUSKCN0SN2TC20151029

    This is what MSM should do, instead they feed us with Charlie Sheen positive HIV, Caitlyn Jenner Women of the year award, Justin Bieber and Gomez on and off situation, what else?

    Americans think we are The GREATEST country in the world. What else?

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  • @tbraton
    Who is the very attractive reporter with the black hair? I assume she is a reporter for one of the Russian media firms. Russia Insider, perhaps? She has a very good command of English, btw.

    {Who is the very attractive reporter with the black hair? I assume she is a reporter for one of the Russian media firms. Russia Insider, perhaps? She has a very good command of English, btw.}

    The attractive young lady is RT reporter Gayane Chichakyan: ethnic Armenian; living/working in Russia.

    You think Gayane is attractive ?
    Check out her boss, Margarita Simonyan.

    https://www.rt.com/about-us/management/

    Two young Armenian women kicking ugly, wrinkled Neocon butt.
    Very proud of our Armenian young ladies.

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    Both are indeed very attractive, but I prefer Gayane. You are entitled to be proud of your Armenian beauties with brains. I was very impressed with Gayane's ability as a reporter. If only American reporters were as persistent and direct in their questioning of American officials as she, we might have a more honest press here in America.
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  • @Andrew Nichols
    “The view from inside the hospital is that this attack was conducted with a purpose to kill and destroy. But we don’t know why.”

    UTTERLY DELIBERATE as with the Yemeni and Ramallah hospital attacks. The message from the Indispensable Nation and its outsourcers in terrorism such as the Saudis and Israelis is that the likes of MSF can no longer treat anyone considered an enemy combatant and will now be mistakenly bombed at every opportunity. And it will work. MSF is finished in combat zones involving the USA. why would MSF take the risk now?

    This is why there will never be an independent investigation and why this crime will shortly be airbrushed from history...Move on - nothing to see here....Paris! Paris! Paris! ...What hospital? You some kind of conspiracy theorist?....

    ” The message from the Indispensable Nation and its outsourcers in terrorism such as the Saudis and Israelis is that the likes of MSF can no longer treat anyone considered an enemy combatant and will now be mistakenly bombed at every opportunity.”

    I look forward to the AC-130 attacks on the Israeli hospital or hospitals which treated the wounded Al Qaeda and/or ISIS fighters who were fighting in Syria.

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  • “The view from inside the hospital is that this attack was conducted with a purpose to kill and destroy. But we don’t know why.”

    UTTERLY DELIBERATE as with the Yemeni and Ramallah hospital attacks. The message from the Indispensable Nation and its outsourcers in terrorism such as the Saudis and Israelis is that the likes of MSF can no longer treat anyone considered an enemy combatant and will now be mistakenly bombed at every opportunity. And it will work. MSF is finished in combat zones involving the USA. why would MSF take the risk now?

    This is why there will never be an independent investigation and why this crime will shortly be airbrushed from history…Move on – nothing to see here….Paris! Paris! Paris! …What hospital? You some kind of conspiracy theorist?….

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    " The message from the Indispensable Nation and its outsourcers in terrorism such as the Saudis and Israelis is that the likes of MSF can no longer treat anyone considered an enemy combatant and will now be mistakenly bombed at every opportunity."

    I look forward to the AC-130 attacks on the Israeli hospital or hospitals which treated the wounded Al Qaeda and/or ISIS fighters who were fighting in Syria.
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  • @jack shindo
    Some great points!
    I did a survey of 15 news sources (remember it is actually one or 2 corporate names!) and perhaps 3 mentioned that MSF gave GPS coordinates to US and affiliated 'proxies" on the location of the Hospital but it seemed that no one paid any attention, or choose to ignore the information.

    Allegedly, a similar incident occured in Yemen when MSF (affiliate??) gace GPS to US/Saudi contacts but the Yemeni hospital was destroyed anyway!

    Who is the very attractive reporter with the black hair? I assume she is a reporter for one of the Russian media firms. Russia Insider, perhaps? She has a very good command of English, btw.

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    {Who is the very attractive reporter with the black hair? I assume she is a reporter for one of the Russian media firms. Russia Insider, perhaps? She has a very good command of English, btw.}

    The attractive young lady is RT reporter Gayane Chichakyan: ethnic Armenian; living/working in Russia.

    You think Gayane is attractive ?
    Check out her boss, Margarita Simonyan.
    https://www.rt.com/about-us/management/

    Two young Armenian women kicking ugly, wrinkled Neocon butt.
    Very proud of our Armenian young ladies.
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  • @Avery
    {I’m appalled by the dead silence of the MSM on US bombing of Doctors without Borders. }

    Don't be appalled: MSM has become the Ministry of Propaganda and Disinformation for the warmongering Neocon filth that have infested the government of US. All MSM in US is owned by interconnected mega-corporations that benefit from promoting war all over the world.

    Not only MSM is covering up the actual bombing of a hospital by US AF, but State Dept is falsely accusing Russia of bombing a hospital in Syria, and MSM dutifully keep repeating the lie.

    [US State Dept Reps Caught in Obvious Lie]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9xkyfv3oGk


    and here is MSM spreading the boldfaced lie:

    [U.S. believes Russian bombing in Syria hit hospital: State Department]
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/29/us-mideast-crisis-russia-hospital-idUSKCN0SN2TC20151029

    “Don’t be appalled: MSM has become the Ministry of Propaganda and Disinformation for the warmongering Neocon filth that have infested the government of US.”

    Barack and Hillary, you mean?

    And you know, there’s no better place to perform an attack than from a rooftop where you believe your foe will not retaliate. Terrorists have become rather notorious for it, if you’ve been paying attention.

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  • @Carlton Meyer
    The key evidence of this crime is that every AC-130 mission is recorded. There is a video and audio record. Here is one from Afghanistan:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WKhQji63RE

    If you watch the video, note the detailed crew comments. If ordered to destroy a hospital, there must of been a lot of crew chat about the legal and moral issues. They were committing a crime, and would discuss things before they pulled the trigger. Yes, I'm an optimist, but they were concerned about who will take the blame for this crime, and if Generals will throw them under the bus. And they might!

    The Generals know exactly what happened, which is why they will never tell. All decent reporters must stand up at press conferences and ask when these videotapes will be released. This is all that is needed, no investigation, no hearings. Just let us all see the tape! Ask Obama at a press conference! And watch him dance the question away. If he claims they are classified, ask if he watched them! And which part is classified, because none of the youtube videos were?

    And for those who have never been a military officer, if a building is placed off limits to attack, it is OFF LIMITS! No exceptions. It doesn't matter if there were armed Taliban; there weren't. It doesn't even matter if they were firing from the hospital. If that occurred, and no one claimed it did, the aircraft would back off and request permission from a senior American General, who lacks the authority to waive international law anyway. A senior officer somewhere violated international law in this case and murdered dozens. Even then, the airmen are still guilty of war crimes. Who and why?

    But we know how this goes. Nothing to see here. Move on. The Washington press corps are just highly paid stenographers. Only white French lives matter, but not even white Russian lives. No one mentions the French air force had slaughtered dozens of innocent Syrians in the weeks before the Paris attack, and more afterwards.

    I suspect this blatant hospital attack happened when a mad General ordered something be done when one of his C-130s crashed nearby a couple days prior when it was hit during takeoff "by a rising object." This was a SpecOps mission, and they are not bound by American or International laws, per the NCA aka the Emperor. This case demonstrates who rules the world, the Pentagon, and no one else.

    Excellent points.

    All decent reporters must stand up at press conferences and ask when these videotapes will be released. This is all that is needed, no investigation, no hearings. Just let us all see the tape!

    I think you and I both know the chances of that tape not being “mislaid” are as close to zero as makes no difference.

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  • @Carlton Meyer
    The key evidence of this crime is that every AC-130 mission is recorded. There is a video and audio record. Here is one from Afghanistan:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WKhQji63RE

    If you watch the video, note the detailed crew comments. If ordered to destroy a hospital, there must of been a lot of crew chat about the legal and moral issues. They were committing a crime, and would discuss things before they pulled the trigger. Yes, I'm an optimist, but they were concerned about who will take the blame for this crime, and if Generals will throw them under the bus. And they might!

    The Generals know exactly what happened, which is why they will never tell. All decent reporters must stand up at press conferences and ask when these videotapes will be released. This is all that is needed, no investigation, no hearings. Just let us all see the tape! Ask Obama at a press conference! And watch him dance the question away. If he claims they are classified, ask if he watched them! And which part is classified, because none of the youtube videos were?

    And for those who have never been a military officer, if a building is placed off limits to attack, it is OFF LIMITS! No exceptions. It doesn't matter if there were armed Taliban; there weren't. It doesn't even matter if they were firing from the hospital. If that occurred, and no one claimed it did, the aircraft would back off and request permission from a senior American General, who lacks the authority to waive international law anyway. A senior officer somewhere violated international law in this case and murdered dozens. Even then, the airmen are still guilty of war crimes. Who and why?

    But we know how this goes. Nothing to see here. Move on. The Washington press corps are just highly paid stenographers. Only white French lives matter, but not even white Russian lives. No one mentions the French air force had slaughtered dozens of innocent Syrians in the weeks before the Paris attack, and more afterwards.

    I suspect this blatant hospital attack happened when a mad General ordered something be done when one of his C-130s crashed nearby a couple days prior when it was hit during takeoff "by a rising object." This was a SpecOps mission, and they are not bound by American or International laws, per the NCA aka the Emperor. This case demonstrates who rules the world, the Pentagon, and no one else.

    decent reporters haahahahahahahahahahaaa, you are fucking hilarious.

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  • @Avery
    {I’m appalled by the dead silence of the MSM on US bombing of Doctors without Borders. }

    Don't be appalled: MSM has become the Ministry of Propaganda and Disinformation for the warmongering Neocon filth that have infested the government of US. All MSM in US is owned by interconnected mega-corporations that benefit from promoting war all over the world.

    Not only MSM is covering up the actual bombing of a hospital by US AF, but State Dept is falsely accusing Russia of bombing a hospital in Syria, and MSM dutifully keep repeating the lie.

    [US State Dept Reps Caught in Obvious Lie]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9xkyfv3oGk


    and here is MSM spreading the boldfaced lie:

    [U.S. believes Russian bombing in Syria hit hospital: State Department]
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/29/us-mideast-crisis-russia-hospital-idUSKCN0SN2TC20151029

    meanwhile, “Anti-ISIS activists in Syria claim a stadium, a museum, medical clinics and a political building have been hit after France launched airstrikes in retaliation for the Paris terror attack.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/humanitarian-retribution-against-the-islamic-state-illegal-french-airstrikes-on-syria-hit-stadium-museum-clinics/5489637

    “Humanitarian Retribution” against the Islamic State: Illegal French Airstrikes on Syria hit Stadium, Museum, Clinics.”

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  • @Ozymandias
    "...although unsupported allegations about a Pakistani intelligence agent or armed Taliban fighters being inside the hospital — despite all evidence to the contrary."

    Both sides having only hearsay evidence, you sure do characterize them differently.

    Both sides having only hearsay evidence, you sure do characterize them differently.

    Well the MSF side isn’t “hearsay” – it’s the conclusion of an extensive investigation including interviews of direct witnesses, and accounts of what those direct witnesses said.

    On the other hand, the US version is so contradictory and insultingly incomplete that any honest observer should be taken aback at the brazen confidence it suggests on the part of the US regime in its own ability to control both the mainstream media and all the various national and international bodes and procedures which, on the face of it, ought to be treating the event as a serious war crime.

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  • @Haxo Angmark
    increasingly, one is led to the conclusion that the purpose of the War on Terror...is to create more "terrorists". Who can then be used for all sorts of Zionist-globalist purposes; like invading and destroying the White nations

    Here is an extraordinary announcement made for G-20, which however has not been (yet?) published for the general public:
    Putin: “I’ve shown our colleagues photos taken from space and from aircraft which clearly demonstrate the scale of the illegal trade in oil and petroleum products. The motorcade of re-fuelling vehicles stretched for dozens of kilometers, so that from a height of 4,000 to 5,000 meters they stretch beyond the horizon,” Putin added….
    The intelligence analysis of “the 40 nations funding the ISIS terror machine were relayed to diplomats attending the G20 summit”– but were not released to the media, nor the general public.”

    http://en.mercopress.com/2015/11/17/putin-claims-40-countries-fund-isis-including-some-members-from-g20

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  • Some great points!
    I did a survey of 15 news sources (remember it is actually one or 2 corporate names!) and perhaps 3 mentioned that MSF gave GPS coordinates to US and affiliated ‘proxies” on the location of the Hospital but it seemed that no one paid any attention, or choose to ignore the information.

    Allegedly, a similar incident occured in Yemen when MSF (affiliate??) gace GPS to US/Saudi contacts but the Yemeni hospital was destroyed anyway!

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    Who is the very attractive reporter with the black hair? I assume she is a reporter for one of the Russian media firms. Russia Insider, perhaps? She has a very good command of English, btw.
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  • {I’m appalled by the dead silence of the MSM on US bombing of Doctors without Borders. }

    Don’t be appalled: MSM has become the Ministry of Propaganda and Disinformation for the warmongering Neocon filth that have infested the government of US. All MSM in US is owned by interconnected mega-corporations that benefit from promoting war all over the world.

    Not only MSM is covering up the actual bombing of a hospital by US AF, but State Dept is falsely accusing Russia of bombing a hospital in Syria, and MSM dutifully keep repeating the lie.

    [US State Dept Reps Caught in Obvious Lie]

    and here is MSM spreading the boldfaced lie:

    [U.S. believes Russian bombing in Syria hit hospital: State Department]

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/29/us-mideast-crisis-russia-hospital-idUSKCN0SN2TC20151029

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    meanwhile, "Anti-ISIS activists in Syria claim a stadium, a museum, medical clinics and a political building have been hit after France launched airstrikes in retaliation for the Paris terror attack."
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/humanitarian-retribution-against-the-islamic-state-illegal-french-airstrikes-on-syria-hit-stadium-museum-clinics/5489637
    “Humanitarian Retribution” against the Islamic State: Illegal French Airstrikes on Syria hit Stadium, Museum, Clinics."
    , @Ozymandias
    "Don’t be appalled: MSM has become the Ministry of Propaganda and Disinformation for the warmongering Neocon filth that have infested the government of US."

    Barack and Hillary, you mean?

    And you know, there's no better place to perform an attack than from a rooftop where you believe your foe will not retaliate. Terrorists have become rather notorious for it, if you've been paying attention.
    , @Seck
    This is what MSM should do, instead they feed us with Charlie Sheen positive HIV, Caitlyn Jenner Women of the year award, Justin Bieber and Gomez on and off situation, what else?

    Americans think we are The GREATEST country in the world. What else?
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  • I’m appalled by the dead silence of the MSM on US bombing of Doctors without Borders. Totally speechless.

    And yet constantly we are daily fed by the news like other countries. And even more ordinary citizens are totally out of touch with the realities, and always under the impression that “The tragedy, the disaster happening in other countries is solely due to their mismanagement”. In fact, all those misery, disaster happening across the world are more or less connected to the Uncle Broke screwing up over decades.

    What are Americans doing? Next round of Presidential election? Same old same shit, they listen, and yet they can’t do anything. They will elect another round of figurehead hoping a new president face will erase everything they have fcked up across the middle east.

    Middle East disaster and Bush legacy? They’re all yesterday news once Obama got elected.
    Health Care, TPP, ME disaster, Nobel Peace Prize and Obama total failure? They will become yesterday news once another face pops up in the White House.

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  • “…although unsupported allegations about a Pakistani intelligence agent or armed Taliban fighters being inside the hospital — despite all evidence to the contrary.”

    Both sides having only hearsay evidence, you sure do characterize them differently.

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    Both sides having only hearsay evidence, you sure do characterize them differently.
     
    Well the MSF side isn't "hearsay" - it's the conclusion of an extensive investigation including interviews of direct witnesses, and accounts of what those direct witnesses said.

    On the other hand, the US version is so contradictory and insultingly incomplete that any honest observer should be taken aback at the brazen confidence it suggests on the part of the US regime in its own ability to control both the mainstream media and all the various national and international bodes and procedures which, on the face of it, ought to be treating the event as a serious war crime.
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  • I’m not surprised that none of the western media has put some light on the MSF aka Doctors Without Borders. The so-called “international humanitarian organization” was founded by the pro-Israel Muslim hating former French foreign minister Bernard Kouchner in 1971 to serve as a French espionage network during Biafra vs Nigerian central government war, also known as Civil War.

    Currently, the MSF is helping Israeli agenda in Syria (here). MSF closed down its operation in Afghanistan in 2004 after four of its staff were killed. It returned after a few years.

    It’s interesting to note that MSF operates clinics in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq – but strangely not in Israel where every third Jewish kid lives in poverty and cannot afford necessary medical-care.

    The airstrike was part of US-NATO offence to re-occupy provincial city of Kunduz which was recaptured by Taliban on Monday after 14 years . The Kunduz province is home to main American ally against Taliban, the Northern Alliance, Uzbek ethnic group majority of whom are Shi’ites. The current Northern Alliance warlord and dug kingpin, Abdul Rashid Dostum, former army General under Soviet occupation, is vice-president of Afghan regime in Kabul.

    Afghans have resisted and defeated all western colonialist powers, such as, Greeks, British, Russians and now they’re about to kick Yankee butts too. Arab Muslim army never invaded Afghanistan. Uzbek and other Turkish tribes were introduced to Islam during their destruction of Muslim world as Mongol barbaric hordes which attacked as far as Moscow and Baghdad. Uz Beg Khan, ruler of present-day Uzbekistan converted to Islam in 1320.

    Watch history of Afghan people below.

    http://rehmat1.com/2015/10/04/us-bombs-jewish-clinic-in-kunduz/

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  • increasingly, one is led to the conclusion that the purpose of the War on Terror…is to create more “terrorists”. Who can then be used for all sorts of Zionist-globalist purposes; like invading and destroying the White nations

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    Here is an extraordinary announcement made for G-20, which however has not been (yet?) published for the general public:
    Putin: “I’ve shown our colleagues photos taken from space and from aircraft which clearly demonstrate the scale of the illegal trade in oil and petroleum products. The motorcade of re-fuelling vehicles stretched for dozens of kilometers, so that from a height of 4,000 to 5,000 meters they stretch beyond the horizon,” Putin added….
    The intelligence analysis of "the 40 nations funding the ISIS terror machine were relayed to diplomats attending the G20 summit"– but were not released to the media, nor the general public.”
    http://en.mercopress.com/2015/11/17/putin-claims-40-countries-fund-isis-including-some-members-from-g20
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  • The key evidence of this crime is that every AC-130 mission is recorded. There is a video and audio record. Here is one from Afghanistan:

    If you watch the video, note the detailed crew comments. If ordered to destroy a hospital, there must of been a lot of crew chat about the legal and moral issues. They were committing a crime, and would discuss things before they pulled the trigger. Yes, I’m an optimist, but they were concerned about who will take the blame for this crime, and if Generals will throw them under the bus. And they might!

    The Generals know exactly what happened, which is why they will never tell. All decent reporters must stand up at press conferences and ask when these videotapes will be released. This is all that is needed, no investigation, no hearings. Just let us all see the tape! Ask Obama at a press conference! And watch him dance the question away. If he claims they are classified, ask if he watched them! And which part is classified, because none of the youtube videos were?

    And for those who have never been a military officer, if a building is placed off limits to attack, it is OFF LIMITS! No exceptions. It doesn’t matter if there were armed Taliban; there weren’t. It doesn’t even matter if they were firing from the hospital. If that occurred, and no one claimed it did, the aircraft would back off and request permission from a senior American General, who lacks the authority to waive international law anyway. A senior officer somewhere violated international law in this case and murdered dozens. Even then, the airmen are still guilty of war crimes. Who and why?

    But we know how this goes. Nothing to see here. Move on. The Washington press corps are just highly paid stenographers. Only white French lives matter, but not even white Russian lives. No one mentions the French air force had slaughtered dozens of innocent Syrians in the weeks before the Paris attack, and more afterwards.

    I suspect this blatant hospital attack happened when a mad General ordered something be done when one of his C-130s crashed nearby a couple days prior when it was hit during takeoff “by a rising object.” This was a SpecOps mission, and they are not bound by American or International laws, per the NCA aka the Emperor. This case demonstrates who rules the world, the Pentagon, and no one else.

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    decent reporters haahahahahahahahahahaaa, you are fucking hilarious.
    , @Randal
    Excellent points.

    All decent reporters must stand up at press conferences and ask when these videotapes will be released. This is all that is needed, no investigation, no hearings. Just let us all see the tape!
     
    I think you and I both know the chances of that tape not being "mislaid" are as close to zero as makes no difference.
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  • This reminds me of the attack by Israel on the USS LIberty in 1967. There’s a great first-person account (and then some): Assault on the Liberty by James M. Ennes, Jr. The author was a naval officer on the bridge of the Liberty during the attack, which went on for about an hour. Afterwords all the Israelis could say was that it had been a terrible mistake. That giant holiday-size US flag just wasn’t clear enough to the surveillance aircraft that had overflown the ship at low altitude repeatedly before the attack. And the American government was keen to make the subject go away as quickly as possible, despite 34 killed, 171 wounded, and the ship nearly sunk.

    When the world wants to hear a message, it hears with amplification. When not, well that’s what ear plugs are for!

    Thank you for your testimony.

    Ken

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  • The Swedish Academy reports a new medal for Obama-this one with crossed swords and oak leaf clusters. The best peace prize ever.

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  • In Appalachia, explosions have leveled the mountain tops into perfect race tracks for Ryan Hensley’s all-terrain vehicle (ATV). At least, that’s how the 14-year-old sees the barren expanses of dirt that stretch for miles atop the hills surrounding his home in the former coal town of Whitesville, West Virginia. “They’re going to blast that one...
  • Excellent piece.

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  • […] Coal Dethroned by Laura Gottesdiener for TomDispatch. […]

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  • Unlike so many industrial innovations, the revolving door was not developed in Detroit. It took its first spin in Philadelphia in 1888, the brainchild of Theophilus Van Kannel, the soon-to-be founder of the Van Kannel Revolving Door Company. Its purpose was twofold: to better insulate buildings from the cold and to allow greater numbers of...
  • It’s deeply upsetting to me that the government can shut off your water or even foreclose upon your home for simply failing to pay your bills. Everything should be free and the productive should support the listless. What kind of a society are we living in requires people to take care of themselves?

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  • There’s an interesting demographic correlation with these epic disasters, be they in New Orleans, Detroit, St. Louis, Oakland, or other similar places. Ms. Teufelsdiener manages to elide over this throughout her article, although she does mention the underlying causal factor in passing at least a score of times. This is true PC think, e.g., the ability to be oblivious to an obvious pattern that contradicts one’s “progressive” ideology. A pure variant is described in the appendix to George Orwell’s novel, 1984.

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  • Things are heating up inside Wall Street’s new rental empire. Over the last few years, giant private equity firms have bet big on the housing market, buying up more than 200,000 cheap homes across the country. Their plan is to rent the houses back to families -- sometimes the very same people who were displaced...
  • What the hell is a “fake” eviction notice? In NYC if you haven’t paid your rent in a timely manner you get served a five day demand notice and if the rent still isn’t paid there is a very long strictly enforced legal protocol to go through before a Housing Court Judge will allow an eviction by a City Marshall (a landlord can’t just change the locks and evict a tenant). If the real estate industry and private equity control NYC, how is it that rent-stabilized apartments were allowed a laughable 1% rent increase for leases expiring between 10/1/14 and 9/30/15. That doesn’t even come close to covering the real estate tax and water rate increases alone. This article is beyond ridiculous. Are there bad actors? Certainly. Do NYC tenants lack rights and protections? Not a chance.

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  • In late October, a few days after local news cameras swarmed Detroit’s courthouse to hear closing arguments in the city’s historic bankruptcy trial, “Commander” Dale Brown cruised through the stately Detroit neighborhood of Palmer Woods in a Hummer emblazoned with the silver, interlocking-crescent-moon logo of his private security company. Brown rolled down the window to...
  • “You are a descendant of immigrants from europe.”

    Um, no.

    The word you are looking for is settler.

    A settler takes a piece of land, fells trees, builds a house, plows fields and grows more than enough food to feed himself, his family and the locals. At which point the railroad hauls his surplus produce to the cities.

    Got that?

    We are descended from settlers, not immigrants. Many can point to multiple generations of settlers who began in Massachusetts in the mid 17th century and whose children then settled New York at the turn of the century. Their grandchildren moved on to settle Iowa in the 19th century with land grants for service in the war of 1812. Their great grand children continued on to settle Nebraska and their ggg grandchildren settled Washington. And that just describes one English family with many thousands of descendants who were settlers not immigrants.

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  • @Jefferson
    "Ever notice how far away from blacks all the ‘liberals’ live. Astounding hypocrisy."

    Even most of Black America's talented tenth live far away from the Black masses.

    Oprah Winfrey for example lives in Montecito, California where less than 1 percent of the population is Black.

    Kobe Bryant lives in Newport Beach, California where the percentage of Blacks is also below 1 percent.

    LeBron James lives in Bath Township, Ohio where only 1 percent of the population is Black.

    Serena Williams lives in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida where only 2 percent of the population is Black.

    I can go on and on.

    So, that means that Serena, Kobe, LeBron, and Oprah live in some of the most well behaved Section 8′s in all America!

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  • @Harold
    If you look at Israel’s PISA scores you will see that they are dismal. I recall that they did about as well as pacific islanders did here in New Zealand. This would be consistent with the average IQ being in the mid 80s. Israel is not filled with Ashkenazi jews.

    Oh, so that’s it. Not many Ashkenazi (although to be fair, modern Israel was mostly founded by Ashkenazi in the original leadership, Ben-Gurion, etc.)

    It’s probably because we’re spoiled by US Jews, which do have a mean IQ of 115 one of the highest in the world for any group. Therefore we tend to think that Jews worldwide have the same high IQ.

    Because US Jews IQ is among the highest in the world. That’s a fact. But then, most here are Ashkenazi.

    So the dumb-dumbs are the Shephardic. In other words they’re not all that.

    But to be fair, nearly half of Israel’s population is Arabic. So that has to be factored into the equation. An Arab can have Israeli citizenship and serve in the Knesset. So certainly Israel’s lower IQ score vs US Jews is due in part to its Arabic population (which is nearly half of Israel’s total population).

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  • There’s an unstated axiom in this whole conversation. We should care. White people should care. Why? Why is it that there’s a burden on White people that we should care about all other races? Do they care about us? Certainly not as much as we are supposed to care about them. Why shouldn’t we care about White people first. Is it hate to care about your children before you care about Blacks in Detroit? Is it hate to care about your family before you care about children in India? Where is it written that we’re responsible for all the woes of the world? What if on TV they constantly said,”You must care about Whites first”. In movies. In magazines. In all popular books. Would there be a difference?

    Speaking of hate. Why shouldn’t we hate? Why is it that other races can have, righteous hate! They can hate Whites. They can hate Asians. Asians can hate Whites. Why is it only Whites can’t hate. Hate for destruction, murder and rape is a healthy thing. Hate for disintegration of your country is a healthy thing. Hate for manipulation of your financial system is healthy. Hate for outsourcing of you manufacturing is healthy. Hate for constant anti-White propaganda is healthy and hating the people who put it out is healthy too.

    Bliss’s “They came for me speech” has some corollaries.

    They first controlled the banks. They then took over the legislature. They then destroyed the currency while enriching themselves. Then they took over all the land, housing and industry. They then attempted to demoralize the people with child prostitution, pornography and constant attacks on the culture and religion. They then tried to take over the country and in the process murdered many thousands of people. Fortunately for the Germans they had Adolf Hitler.

    You may hate Hitler but the Germans never had to go through what the Russians did after the Jews took over Russia. Most people liked Hitler. While people were starving to death in America due to Oligarchical financial manipulation Hitler controlled Germany’s financial system and Germans were going on vacations.

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  • @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Sub-Saharan African nations IQ is well below 70 so Middle East is ahead of the dumbest IQs on the planet.

    Dumb dumb, I'm equating Israel's IQ with African-American's IQ (85). Israel's IQ collectively is still way higher than African-Americans' IQ (and Sub-saharan nations' IQs) two groups of which you have some affinity for.

    Uh, yes, DUH....there are more Asians than Jews in the world. And yet, Jews tend to have higher IQs than any of them.

    People have the right to vote however they want to. Why are you getting your panties in a twist about it?

    If you look at Israel’s PISA scores you will see that they are dismal. I recall that they did about as well as pacific islanders did here in New Zealand. This would be consistent with the average IQ being in the mid 80s. Israel is not filled with Ashkenazi jews.

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    Oh, so that's it. Not many Ashkenazi (although to be fair, modern Israel was mostly founded by Ashkenazi in the original leadership, Ben-Gurion, etc.)

    It's probably because we're spoiled by US Jews, which do have a mean IQ of 115 one of the highest in the world for any group. Therefore we tend to think that Jews worldwide have the same high IQ.

    Because US Jews IQ is among the highest in the world. That's a fact. But then, most here are Ashkenazi.

    So the dumb-dumbs are the Shephardic. In other words they're not all that.

    But to be fair, nearly half of Israel's population is Arabic. So that has to be factored into the equation. An Arab can have Israeli citizenship and serve in the Knesset. So certainly Israel's lower IQ score vs US Jews is due in part to its Arabic population (which is nearly half of Israel's total population).

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  • @Bliss

    I don’t care whether they were “war crimes” or not, but I do think, as I do of the bombings of civilians in German cities, that they were unconscionable atrocities.
     
    So how the heck is it irrelevant to deem as war crimes the unconscionable atrocities against women, children elderly and the infirm during a war?

    But what does this have to do with anything?
     
    To highlight the sheer dishonesty, both moral and intellectual, of your ilk.

    How can a japanophile be so rabidly anti-socialist?

    How can people who believe in Jesus be so greedy and hateful?

    So how the heck is it irrelevant to deem as war crimes the unconscionable atrocities against women, children elderly and the infirm during a war?

    It’s not irrelevant. I am just dubious of the notion of a “war crime”. When are George W. Bush or Tony Blair going to be brought up on war crime charges? They never will be. “War crimes” only seem to apply to defeated nations. Who are the disinterested adjudicators supposed to be when powerful countries are involved? It’s a farce.

    To highlight the sheer dishonesty, both moral and intellectual, of your ilk.

    You’ll have to elaborate.

    How can a japanophile be so rabidly anti-socialist?

    Why can’t Japanophiles be anti-socialist? What makes you think I am anti-socialist?

    How can people who believe in Jesus be so greedy and hateful?

    Whay do you say I’m greedy? Why hateful? Furthermore, I don’t believe in Jesus.

    Mostly I am against browbeating and bamboozling whites into believing the Great Lie that all races only differ superficially and that therefore their genetic legacy is irrelevant, that it is sinful to wish to preserve it, and if other races are worse off than whites then it is whites fault. These lies are the great evil of our times.

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  • @Bliss

    That’s a lie, a leftist lying canard. We are NOT a nation of immigrants.
     
    The liar, yet again, is obviously you. Read the following piece by one of the most prominent right wing think tanks in America the Cato Institute (founded and funded by Charles Koch):

    http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/immigrants-have-enriched-american-culture-enhanced-our-influence-world

    Immigration is not undermining the American experiment; it is an integral part of it. We are a nation of immigrants. Successive waves of immigrants have kept our country demographically young, enriched our culture and added to our productive capacity as a nation, enhancing our influence in the world.

    An authoritative 1997 study by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) concluded that immigration delivered a “significant positive gain” to the U.S. economy. In testimony before Congress last year, Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan said, “I’ve always argued that this country has benefited immensely from the fact that we draw people from all over the world.”

    You call somebody a “liar” and cite your “proof” by noting some B.S. crap by the Cato institute. LOL.

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  • @Bliss

    That’s a lie, a leftist lying canard. We are NOT a nation of immigrants.
     
    The liar, yet again, is obviously you. Read the following piece by one of the most prominent right wing think tanks in America the Cato Institute (founded and funded by Charles Koch):

    http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/immigrants-have-enriched-american-culture-enhanced-our-influence-world

    Immigration is not undermining the American experiment; it is an integral part of it. We are a nation of immigrants. Successive waves of immigrants have kept our country demographically young, enriched our culture and added to our productive capacity as a nation, enhancing our influence in the world.

    An authoritative 1997 study by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) concluded that immigration delivered a “significant positive gain” to the U.S. economy. In testimony before Congress last year, Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan said, “I’ve always argued that this country has benefited immensely from the fact that we draw people from all over the world.”

    Of course Greenspan would say that. He is a Jew.

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  • @Bliss

    You tactfully decline to mention Israel’s IQ and I can understand why. US Jews, with their IQ mean of 115 is higher than all Asian nations and two SD’s higher than US blacks.
     
    I don't see what Israel's IQ has to do with my point comparing african-american IQ to that of white middle-easterners (a point you are studiously ignoring). Israel is an outlier in the middle east. The majority of its citizens are either immigrants from Europe, or descendants of.

    Secondly, ignoramus, Israel's IQ is 95. On what rational basis are you equating it to the IQ of american jews?

    Thirdly, for every ashkenazi jew there are over a 100 east asians.

    Fourthly, both jewish-americans and japanese-americans tend to be hard core Democrats. What does that tell you?

    Sub-Saharan African nations IQ is well below 70 so Middle East is ahead of the dumbest IQs on the planet.

    Dumb dumb, I’m equating Israel’s IQ with African-American’s IQ (85). Israel’s IQ collectively is still way higher than African-Americans’ IQ (and Sub-saharan nations’ IQs) two groups of which you have some affinity for.

    Uh, yes, DUH….there are more Asians than Jews in the world. And yet, Jews tend to have higher IQs than any of them.

    People have the right to vote however they want to. Why are you getting your panties in a twist about it?

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    If you look at Israel’s PISA scores you will see that they are dismal. I recall that they did about as well as pacific islanders did here in New Zealand. This would be consistent with the average IQ being in the mid 80s. Israel is not filled with Ashkenazi jews.
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  • “Ever notice how far away from blacks all the ‘liberals’ live. Astounding hypocrisy.”

    Even most of Black America’s talented tenth live far away from the Black masses.

    Oprah Winfrey for example lives in Montecito, California where less than 1 percent of the population is Black.

    Kobe Bryant lives in Newport Beach, California where the percentage of Blacks is also below 1 percent.

    LeBron James lives in Bath Township, Ohio where only 1 percent of the population is Black.

    Serena Williams lives in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida where only 2 percent of the population is Black.

    I can go on and on.

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    So, that means that Serena, Kobe, LeBron, and Oprah live in some of the most well behaved Section 8's in all America!
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  • @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Yes, you should take back a lot of what you wrote, but we'll settle for this one. That's right, the "Paris of the West" monniker was late 19th early 20th century, back when Detroit was nearly 99% white. So then, whites built Detroit and made it the Paris of the West.

    I think you really should take some of these things up with Mr. Paul Kersey. You and he would get along splendidly. I dare you. And you probably won't.

    The auto industry transformed Detroit as early as 1915, with Henry Ford's innovate assembly line, increased wages for his workers (all white at that time) this incredible transformation of the auto industry continued as the Roaring Twenties progressed. Henry Ford first offered increased rates of pay to his workers....in 1913, when Detroit was nearly 99% white.

    You tactfully decline to mention Israel's IQ and I can understand why. US Jews, with their IQ mean of 115 is higher than all Asian nations and two SD's higher than US blacks.

    You don't appear to be very blissful, except in the ways of total ignorance.

    You tactfully decline to mention Israel’s IQ and I can understand why. US Jews, with their IQ mean of 115 is higher than all Asian nations and two SD’s higher than US blacks.

    I don’t see what Israel’s IQ has to do with my point comparing african-american IQ to that of white middle-easterners (a point you are studiously ignoring). Israel is an outlier in the middle east. The majority of its citizens are either immigrants from Europe, or descendants of.

    Secondly, ignoramus, Israel’s IQ is 95. On what rational basis are you equating it to the IQ of american jews?

    Thirdly, for every ashkenazi jew there are over a 100 east asians.

    Fourthly, both jewish-americans and japanese-americans tend to be hard core Democrats. What does that tell you?

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    Sub-Saharan African nations IQ is well below 70 so Middle East is ahead of the dumbest IQs on the planet.

    Dumb dumb, I'm equating Israel's IQ with African-American's IQ (85). Israel's IQ collectively is still way higher than African-Americans' IQ (and Sub-saharan nations' IQs) two groups of which you have some affinity for.

    Uh, yes, DUH....there are more Asians than Jews in the world. And yet, Jews tend to have higher IQs than any of them.

    People have the right to vote however they want to. Why are you getting your panties in a twist about it?
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  • “Shhh. Don’t let Blissy hear that or he’ll blissfully assume that this all a racist white plot to keep blacks down from reaching up to their true potential (ca. 90% out of wedlock birthrates by ca.2029).”

    Father’s Day is the least celebrated holiday in the African American community. The percentage of African Americans buying Hallmark cards for their father is not very high.

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  • @Anonymous
    Look around, ALL cities with blacks in the majority and / or in control of city government are basket cases with rampant corruption and extreme crime. In fact, look around again, all countries with a black head of state and / or a black majority are the same, without fail.

    But it's always the fault of others.

    Ever notice how far away from blacks all the 'liberals' live. Astounding hypocrisy.

    Shhh. Don’t let Blissy hear that or he’ll blissfully assume that this all a racist white plot to keep blacks down from reaching up to their true potential (ca. 90% out of wedlock birthrates by ca.2029).

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  • @Bliss

    There were very few blacks in Detroit between 1940-60 to make a major difference in the city’s population.
     
    In 1950 the black population of Detroit was over 16%. In 1960 it was over 29%. These are significantly disproportionate numbers. This was in the good old days when Jim Crow was still in effect in the South.

    Btw, I take back all I wrote about Detroit being compared to Paris when it had large numbers of blacks. I just learned that comparison was made before the auto industry transformed the city. Mea culpa...

    Yes, you should take back a lot of what you wrote, but we’ll settle for this one. That’s right, the “Paris of the West” monniker was late 19th early 20th century, back when Detroit was nearly 99% white. So then, whites built Detroit and made it the Paris of the West.

    I think you really should take some of these things up with Mr. Paul Kersey. You and he would get along splendidly. I dare you. And you probably won’t.

    The auto industry transformed Detroit as early as 1915, with Henry Ford’s innovate assembly line, increased wages for his workers (all white at that time) this incredible transformation of the auto industry continued as the Roaring Twenties progressed. Henry Ford first offered increased rates of pay to his workers….in 1913, when Detroit was nearly 99% white.

    You tactfully decline to mention Israel’s IQ and I can understand why. US Jews, with their IQ mean of 115 is higher than all Asian nations and two SD’s higher than US blacks.

    You don’t appear to be very blissful, except in the ways of total ignorance.

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    You tactfully decline to mention Israel’s IQ and I can understand why. US Jews, with their IQ mean of 115 is higher than all Asian nations and two SD’s higher than US blacks.
     
    I don't see what Israel's IQ has to do with my point comparing african-american IQ to that of white middle-easterners (a point you are studiously ignoring). Israel is an outlier in the middle east. The majority of its citizens are either immigrants from Europe, or descendants of.

    Secondly, ignoramus, Israel's IQ is 95. On what rational basis are you equating it to the IQ of american jews?

    Thirdly, for every ashkenazi jew there are over a 100 east asians.

    Fourthly, both jewish-americans and japanese-americans tend to be hard core Democrats. What does that tell you?
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    Look around, ALL cities with blacks in the majority and / or in control of city government are basket cases with rampant corruption and extreme crime. In fact, look around again, all countries with a black head of state and / or a black majority are the same, without fail.

    But it’s always the fault of others.

    Ever notice how far away from blacks all the ‘liberals’ live. Astounding hypocrisy.

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    Shhh. Don't let Blissy hear that or he'll blissfully assume that this all a racist white plot to keep blacks down from reaching up to their true potential (ca. 90% out of wedlock birthrates by ca.2029).
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  • @Bliss

    There were very few blacks in Detroit between 1940-60 to make a major difference in the city’s population.
     
    In 1950 the black population of Detroit was over 16%. In 1960 it was over 29%. These are significantly disproportionate numbers. This was in the good old days when Jim Crow was still in effect in the South.

    Btw, I take back all I wrote about Detroit being compared to Paris when it had large numbers of blacks. I just learned that comparison was made before the auto industry transformed the city. Mea culpa...

    Out of burlap sacks, out of bearing butter,
    Out of black bean and wet slate bread,
    Out of the acids of rage, the candor of tar,
    Out of creosote, gasoline, drive shafts, wooden dollies,
    They Lion grow.

    Out of the gray hills
    Of industrial barns, out of rain, out of bus ride,
    West Virginia to Kiss My Ass…………………………………

    From my five arms and all my hands,
    From all my white sins forgiven, they feed…………..

    Philip Levine

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  • @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Steve Jobs IQ was not 85, you imbecile.

    Detroit was 72% in 1960. From 1930-60 the population was 93%; 89% and then 72% so for most of the time it averaged well above or at the 90% of most US cities.

    Here's the thing: There were very few blacks in Detroit between 1940-60 to make a major difference in the city's population. 1940: The city ca. 93% white. 1950: The city ca. 89%. By 1960: It had dropped to 72% but for a major city that was still quite respectable. But blacks didn't directly affect the total population's makeup at first and certainly didn't contribute very much to WW2 effort compared to whites at large.

    Careful, verrry few Arabs pre 1970 in the US at all. Yes, the first mosque was built in Detroit in '40. There were more Irish, Italians, (European Whites) that comprise Detroit as in rest of US at large during this time (pre-65 Immigration Act).

    Cite your proof of blacks higher IQ being higher than whites from Middle East. You cant, doesn't exist. At best, they'd be about the same.

    Also, a noted example of the most prominent Middle Eastern nation that you don't dare mention is ISRAEL. No way that that nation has an average lower IQ than US Blacks, so your lie is exposed.

    Then as now, Israelis have higher IQs than US blacks. From the looks of it, blacks won't be overtaking them anytime soon.

    Hey, at least US blacks (with their ca.15-25% white admixture in their DNA on average) tend to average higher IQs than African blacks' IQs of 75. So they do have that going for them.

    There were very few blacks in Detroit between 1940-60 to make a major difference in the city’s population.

    In 1950 the black population of Detroit was over 16%. In 1960 it was over 29%. These are significantly disproportionate numbers. This was in the good old days when Jim Crow was still in effect in the South.

    Btw, I take back all I wrote about Detroit being compared to Paris when it had large numbers of blacks. I just learned that comparison was made before the auto industry transformed the city. Mea culpa…

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    Out of burlap sacks, out of bearing butter,
    Out of black bean and wet slate bread,
    Out of the acids of rage, the candor of tar,
    Out of creosote, gasoline, drive shafts, wooden dollies,
    They Lion grow.

    Out of the gray hills
    Of industrial barns, out of rain, out of bus ride,
    West Virginia to Kiss My Ass…………………………………


    From my five arms and all my hands,
    From all my white sins forgiven, they feed…………..

    Philip Levine
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Yes, you should take back a lot of what you wrote, but we'll settle for this one. That's right, the "Paris of the West" monniker was late 19th early 20th century, back when Detroit was nearly 99% white. So then, whites built Detroit and made it the Paris of the West.

    I think you really should take some of these things up with Mr. Paul Kersey. You and he would get along splendidly. I dare you. And you probably won't.

    The auto industry transformed Detroit as early as 1915, with Henry Ford's innovate assembly line, increased wages for his workers (all white at that time) this incredible transformation of the auto industry continued as the Roaring Twenties progressed. Henry Ford first offered increased rates of pay to his workers....in 1913, when Detroit was nearly 99% white.

    You tactfully decline to mention Israel's IQ and I can understand why. US Jews, with their IQ mean of 115 is higher than all Asian nations and two SD's higher than US blacks.

    You don't appear to be very blissful, except in the ways of total ignorance.
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  • @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Yes, perhaps in hindsight. But finish the sentence. All the white industrialists had to do was only offer jobs to white union members, which tended to keep out blacks for the most part.

    In other words, white industrialists didn't really have to recruit black laborers at all. They had plenty of native born white workers in which to draw on (US was 90% white at the time) so it looks like that they wanted to hire blacks to undercut the higher wages they'd have to pay to white working classes and as the whites were beginning to unionize, that meant even more increased pay rates that they'd have to deal with. Much like the free trade policies of today. The multi national incs would much rather not deal with unionized (largely) white workers and ship jobs to non-white nations at lower rates of pay.

    The '24 law was a good one for US's long term health. The '65 reform act has been even worse. And now the blacks are moving back to the South.

    LA by the way, never had a sizable black population compared to DC, Memphis, Birmingham, Chicago, etc. for the simple reason that fewer blacks tend to live west of Pacos.

    I know LA’s black population never got to the levels of the Great Lakes area cities (not even Pittsburgh) or the Southern cities but by western standards it did get pretty large.

    African-American leaders generally supported the ’24 Immigration Act because they knew it would result in more jobs going to blacks. With far fewer immigrant workers from Europe – the ’24 act allowed unlimited Mexican immigration but Mexicans didn’t move to the Northeast and Midwest – the obvious place for the factories to recruit was among Southern blacks.

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  • @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Steve Jobs IQ was not 85, you imbecile.

    Detroit was 72% in 1960. From 1930-60 the population was 93%; 89% and then 72% so for most of the time it averaged well above or at the 90% of most US cities.

    Here's the thing: There were very few blacks in Detroit between 1940-60 to make a major difference in the city's population. 1940: The city ca. 93% white. 1950: The city ca. 89%. By 1960: It had dropped to 72% but for a major city that was still quite respectable. But blacks didn't directly affect the total population's makeup at first and certainly didn't contribute very much to WW2 effort compared to whites at large.

    Careful, verrry few Arabs pre 1970 in the US at all. Yes, the first mosque was built in Detroit in '40. There were more Irish, Italians, (European Whites) that comprise Detroit as in rest of US at large during this time (pre-65 Immigration Act).

    Cite your proof of blacks higher IQ being higher than whites from Middle East. You cant, doesn't exist. At best, they'd be about the same.

    Also, a noted example of the most prominent Middle Eastern nation that you don't dare mention is ISRAEL. No way that that nation has an average lower IQ than US Blacks, so your lie is exposed.

    Then as now, Israelis have higher IQs than US blacks. From the looks of it, blacks won't be overtaking them anytime soon.

    Hey, at least US blacks (with their ca.15-25% white admixture in their DNA on average) tend to average higher IQs than African blacks' IQs of 75. So they do have that going for them.

    Steve Jobs IQ was not 85, you imbecile

    .

    I wrote that Steve Jobs biological father is from Syria which has an average IQ of 79 . It takes a complete moron to conclude that means Jobs IQ was 85! You come across as a very irrational person. I am guessing your IQ is lower than the syrian average. Am I right or what?

    Cite your proof of blacks higher IQ being higher than whites from Middle East

    Educate yourself:

    http://www.ttu.ee/public/m/mart-murdvee/EconPsy/2/Lynn_Meisenberg_2010_National_IQs_calculated_and_validated_for_108_nations.pdf

    Syria: IQ 79
    Lebanon: IQ 82
    Iran: IQ 84

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  • @Hare Krishna
    Without the white immigrants, whose numbers were severely reduced by the 1924 Immigration Act, employers had to recruit blacks from the South. That was the root of how Detroit and the other Great Lakes cities became so heavily African-American. If not for that law they would be white majority today as would cities such as Los Angeles.

    Self-proclaimed "white nationalists" praising the '24 Immigration Act makes me laugh, because that law may have been the most anti-white law ever passed in the US.

    Yes, perhaps in hindsight. But finish the sentence. All the white industrialists had to do was only offer jobs to white union members, which tended to keep out blacks for the most part.

    In other words, white industrialists didn’t really have to recruit black laborers at all. They had plenty of native born white workers in which to draw on (US was 90% white at the time) so it looks like that they wanted to hire blacks to undercut the higher wages they’d have to pay to white working classes and as the whites were beginning to unionize, that meant even more increased pay rates that they’d have to deal with. Much like the free trade policies of today. The multi national incs would much rather not deal with unionized (largely) white workers and ship jobs to non-white nations at lower rates of pay.

    The ’24 law was a good one for US’s long term health. The ’65 reform act has been even worse. And now the blacks are moving back to the South.

    LA by the way, never had a sizable black population compared to DC, Memphis, Birmingham, Chicago, etc. for the simple reason that fewer blacks tend to live west of Pacos.

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    I know LA's black population never got to the levels of the Great Lakes area cities (not even Pittsburgh) or the Southern cities but by western standards it did get pretty large.

    African-American leaders generally supported the '24 Immigration Act because they knew it would result in more jobs going to blacks. With far fewer immigrant workers from Europe - the '24 act allowed unlimited Mexican immigration but Mexicans didn't move to the Northeast and Midwest - the obvious place for the factories to recruit was among Southern blacks.
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  • @Bliss

    Henry Ford was quite shall we say, the Pro-Jim Crow supporter back in the day.
     
    Such a shameless, brazen liar. Do you even have a sense of morality?

    The opposite is the truth. Ford hired thousands of african-americans to work in his factories, paying them the same middle class wage that he paid whites. Blacks migrated from the Jim Crow South to Detroit for this opportunity.

    Where Bliss’s entire argument falls into excrement is that 72% of Detroit was WHITE.
     
    Which was well below the national average of the white population then. While the black population of Detroit was more than double the national average. There were many cities in the North then with over 90% whites but none of them were compared to Paris. Like Minneapolis for example which was overwhelmingly nordic, while the whites of the Paris of the West were mostly the wrong kind of whites: arabs, sicilians, greeks, poles etc, the kind of whites the WASP elite looked down. So what was once the best city in America, was largely filled at that time with middle-easterners, african-americans, slavs and southern europeans...

    And with the average black IQ at about 85, (basically a little higher than imbecile and moron) you can’t expect too many Bill Gates and Steve Jobs to spring forth from these places.
     
    That is really funny coming from you. You sure don't come across as intelligent. Or worse, as moral.

    The african-american IQ of 85 is actually a bit higher than that of the white caucasians of the Middle East. For example the Syrian IQ is 79, and fyi, Steve Job's biological father was a muslim from Syria.

    Steve Jobs IQ was not 85, you imbecile.

    Detroit was 72% in 1960. From 1930-60 the population was 93%; 89% and then 72% so for most of the time it averaged well above or at the 90% of most US cities.

    Here’s the thing: There were very few blacks in Detroit between 1940-60 to make a major difference in the city’s population. 1940: The city ca. 93% white. 1950: The city ca. 89%. By 1960: It had dropped to 72% but for a major city that was still quite respectable. But blacks didn’t directly affect the total population’s makeup at first and certainly didn’t contribute very much to WW2 effort compared to whites at large.

    Careful, verrry few Arabs pre 1970 in the US at all. Yes, the first mosque was built in Detroit in ’40. There were more Irish, Italians, (European Whites) that comprise Detroit as in rest of US at large during this time (pre-65 Immigration Act).

    Cite your proof of blacks higher IQ being higher than whites from Middle East. You cant, doesn’t exist. At best, they’d be about the same.

    Also, a noted example of the most prominent Middle Eastern nation that you don’t dare mention is ISRAEL. No way that that nation has an average lower IQ than US Blacks, so your lie is exposed.

    Then as now, Israelis have higher IQs than US blacks. From the looks of it, blacks won’t be overtaking them anytime soon.

    Hey, at least US blacks (with their ca.15-25% white admixture in their DNA on average) tend to average higher IQs than African blacks’ IQs of 75. So they do have that going for them.

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    Steve Jobs IQ was not 85, you imbecile
     
    .

    I wrote that Steve Jobs biological father is from Syria which has an average IQ of 79 . It takes a complete moron to conclude that means Jobs IQ was 85! You come across as a very irrational person. I am guessing your IQ is lower than the syrian average. Am I right or what?

    Cite your proof of blacks higher IQ being higher than whites from Middle East
     
    Educate yourself:

    http://www.ttu.ee/public/m/mart-murdvee/EconPsy/2/Lynn_Meisenberg_2010_National_IQs_calculated_and_validated_for_108_nations.pdf

    Syria: IQ 79
    Lebanon: IQ 82
    Iran: IQ 84
    , @Bliss

    There were very few blacks in Detroit between 1940-60 to make a major difference in the city’s population.
     
    In 1950 the black population of Detroit was over 16%. In 1960 it was over 29%. These are significantly disproportionate numbers. This was in the good old days when Jim Crow was still in effect in the South.

    Btw, I take back all I wrote about Detroit being compared to Paris when it had large numbers of blacks. I just learned that comparison was made before the auto industry transformed the city. Mea culpa...
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  • @Jefferson
    " There were many cities in the North then with over 90% whites but none of them were compared to Paris."

    And no predominantly Black city in the history of mankind has ever been compared to Paris.
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  • ” There were many cities in the North then with over 90% whites but none of them were compared to Paris.”

    And no predominantly Black city in the history of mankind has ever been compared to Paris.

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    Africans built this millenia before Paris even existed:

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlnUraKmIQP7aOcRaMSh8Dcq1LorJm2SR_g1rG7r1CnJPNMxpR
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  • @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Show me the exact phrase where I've ever said that I vote Republican. You can't.

    The 1882 Exclusion Act was to restrict the number of Asians, Chinese laborers in particular. The 1924 Act was aimed at everyone, mainly Europeans and that's fine. Certainly don't want the wrong sort of folks to come in then or now.

    That's a lie, a leftist lying canard. We are NOT a nation of immigrants. Historically, the US has been a white nation that was mainly created and largely built by whites who once here, said "and now that's roughly about it. WE will decide just how many newcomers we allow to come in past our borders. You don't like it, then lump it." That was our official policy for well over a couple centuries. Worked pretty well.

    Another lie: There is no such thing as "Native"-Americans. They migrated here as well some thousands of yrs ago across the Bering Straight. African-Americans were technically immigrants since they migrated here. They didn't choose to migrate but they did. A technicality but an accurate one.

    Know what? Since you obviously are old enough to remember WW2 I'm sure that you have all the correct opinions (after the fact of course) on US's policies during wartime. I wasn't there so I'll leave that one up to posterity to decide and determine what the culpability is regarding the US.

    Although, modern US-Japan relations have largely and for the most part healed by this time, and that's a good thing.

    Know what? Unlike yourself I'm not a busybody into other how other nations govern themselves. Whatever government they have is entirely up to them and they don't need any interference from outsiders. What I like about Japan is that they have nationalistic policies specifically designed to protect their own workers as well as extremely low immigration. They don't want any more Koreans coming in and certainly they don't want any Hans coming thru their borders either. Good for them for setting boundaries and standards vs any old other nations who attempt to come thru their national doorway.

    How US citizens vote is neither your business nor mine. That's the beauty of America. The only person that needs to know is the individuals.

    Without the white immigrants, whose numbers were severely reduced by the 1924 Immigration Act, employers had to recruit blacks from the South. That was the root of how Detroit and the other Great Lakes cities became so heavily African-American. If not for that law they would be white majority today as would cities such as Los Angeles.

    Self-proclaimed “white nationalists” praising the ’24 Immigration Act makes me laugh, because that law may have been the most anti-white law ever passed in the US.

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    Yes, perhaps in hindsight. But finish the sentence. All the white industrialists had to do was only offer jobs to white union members, which tended to keep out blacks for the most part.

    In other words, white industrialists didn't really have to recruit black laborers at all. They had plenty of native born white workers in which to draw on (US was 90% white at the time) so it looks like that they wanted to hire blacks to undercut the higher wages they'd have to pay to white working classes and as the whites were beginning to unionize, that meant even more increased pay rates that they'd have to deal with. Much like the free trade policies of today. The multi national incs would much rather not deal with unionized (largely) white workers and ship jobs to non-white nations at lower rates of pay.

    The '24 law was a good one for US's long term health. The '65 reform act has been even worse. And now the blacks are moving back to the South.

    LA by the way, never had a sizable black population compared to DC, Memphis, Birmingham, Chicago, etc. for the simple reason that fewer blacks tend to live west of Pacos.
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  • @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Show me the exact phrase where I've ever said that I vote Republican. You can't.

    The 1882 Exclusion Act was to restrict the number of Asians, Chinese laborers in particular. The 1924 Act was aimed at everyone, mainly Europeans and that's fine. Certainly don't want the wrong sort of folks to come in then or now.

    That's a lie, a leftist lying canard. We are NOT a nation of immigrants. Historically, the US has been a white nation that was mainly created and largely built by whites who once here, said "and now that's roughly about it. WE will decide just how many newcomers we allow to come in past our borders. You don't like it, then lump it." That was our official policy for well over a couple centuries. Worked pretty well.

    Another lie: There is no such thing as "Native"-Americans. They migrated here as well some thousands of yrs ago across the Bering Straight. African-Americans were technically immigrants since they migrated here. They didn't choose to migrate but they did. A technicality but an accurate one.

    Know what? Since you obviously are old enough to remember WW2 I'm sure that you have all the correct opinions (after the fact of course) on US's policies during wartime. I wasn't there so I'll leave that one up to posterity to decide and determine what the culpability is regarding the US.

    Although, modern US-Japan relations have largely and for the most part healed by this time, and that's a good thing.

    Know what? Unlike yourself I'm not a busybody into other how other nations govern themselves. Whatever government they have is entirely up to them and they don't need any interference from outsiders. What I like about Japan is that they have nationalistic policies specifically designed to protect their own workers as well as extremely low immigration. They don't want any more Koreans coming in and certainly they don't want any Hans coming thru their borders either. Good for them for setting boundaries and standards vs any old other nations who attempt to come thru their national doorway.

    How US citizens vote is neither your business nor mine. That's the beauty of America. The only person that needs to know is the individuals.

    That’s a lie, a leftist lying canard. We are NOT a nation of immigrants.

    The liar, yet again, is obviously you. Read the following piece by one of the most prominent right wing think tanks in America the Cato Institute (founded and funded by Charles Koch):

    http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/immigrants-have-enriched-american-culture-enhanced-our-influence-world

    Immigration is not undermining the American experiment; it is an integral part of it. We are a nation of immigrants. Successive waves of immigrants have kept our country demographically young, enriched our culture and added to our productive capacity as a nation, enhancing our influence in the world.

    An authoritative 1997 study by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) concluded that immigration delivered a “significant positive gain” to the U.S. economy. In testimony before Congress last year, Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan said, “I’ve always argued that this country has benefited immensely from the fact that we draw people from all over the world.”

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    Of course Greenspan would say that. He is a Jew.
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    You call somebody a "liar" and cite your "proof" by noting some B.S. crap by the Cato institute. LOL.
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  • @Harold

    Btw, going by your nick I am guessing you are a japanophile; so tell us what you think of the nuking of japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Was that a war crime? If not, why not?
     
    I am a “japanophile”. For your information, the (non-nuclear) firebombing of Japanese cities caused even more death and destruction than the nuclear bombings. I don’t care whether they were “war crimes” or not, but I do think, as I do of the bombings of civilians in German cities, that they were unconscionable atrocities. But what does this have to do with anything? It seems bringing it up only serves for you to indulge in your anti-white animus.

    What do you expect Yojimbo/Zatoichi to say? He can either say he thinks it was tragic and unnecessary, or that it was tragic but necessary to prevent even greater tragedy. And then? How is any of this relevant?

    Bliss, tell us what you think of the Eskimos taking their land from its previous occupants (Dorset culture), probably killing them off. Do you think that, despite their way of life remaining mostly unchanged from then up until European contact, their moral sensibilities improved, or do you think that the Eskimos as they were when the Europeans first encountered them would still do the same in the same circumstances?

    I don’t care whether they were “war crimes” or not, but I do think, as I do of the bombings of civilians in German cities, that they were unconscionable atrocities.

    So how the heck is it irrelevant to deem as war crimes the unconscionable atrocities against women, children elderly and the infirm during a war?

    But what does this have to do with anything?

    To highlight the sheer dishonesty, both moral and intellectual, of your ilk.

    How can a japanophile be so rabidly anti-socialist?

    How can people who believe in Jesus be so greedy and hateful?

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    So how the heck is it irrelevant to deem as war crimes the unconscionable atrocities against women, children elderly and the infirm during a war?
     
    It’s not irrelevant. I am just dubious of the notion of a “war crime”. When are George W. Bush or Tony Blair going to be brought up on war crime charges? They never will be. “War crimes” only seem to apply to defeated nations. Who are the disinterested adjudicators supposed to be when powerful countries are involved? It’s a farce.

    To highlight the sheer dishonesty, both moral and intellectual, of your ilk.
     
    You’ll have to elaborate.

    How can a japanophile be so rabidly anti-socialist?
     
    Why can’t Japanophiles be anti-socialist? What makes you think I am anti-socialist?

    How can people who believe in Jesus be so greedy and hateful?
     
    Whay do you say I’m greedy? Why hateful? Furthermore, I don’t believe in Jesus.

    Mostly I am against browbeating and bamboozling whites into believing the Great Lie that all races only differ superficially and that therefore their genetic legacy is irrelevant, that it is sinful to wish to preserve it, and if other races are worse off than whites then it is whites fault. These lies are the great evil of our times.
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  • “Detroit should more properly be compared to a city in the Caribbean, like Kingston, Jamaica or Port-au-Prince, Haiti, where there are comparable demographics.”

    Due to it’s changing racial demographics, Ferguson, Missouri is on it’s way to becoming the Kingston, Jamaica of the Midwest.

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  • @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Where Bliss's entire argument falls into excrement is that 72% of Detroit was WHITE. And, Henry Ford was quite shall we say, the Pro-Jim Crow supporter back in the day. Jim Crow policies weren't just used in the South; they were also used (unofficially) in the North. Point being of course that whites built Western Paris (Detroit) and blacks had little to do with it whatsoever.

    I like that final part of yours: If blacks were all that in the IQ and jobs departments, they could pool their resources and start working together and lift themselves out of poverty. After all, Calypso Louis Farrakhan has been advocating this for decades in his speeches. How come his audiences aren't listening to him?

    Of course the hard bitter truth is that for most black neighborhoods with an out of wedlock birthrate that will hit 90% by ca. 2029 and in some urban centers is currently well over 80% among blacks, the 'hoods are like a jungle: Dog eat dog and you don't know who you can trust. So you make alliances of sorts (gangs) where you can hopefully attempt to survive. At one level they do tend to network together, especially when they rob, carjack, flashmob and riot/burn down and loot the cities. Its possible that actions such as these do take some amount of intellect, time, and planning but obviously that's not the intellect nor the behavior that everyone is calling for among blacks at large.

    And with the average black IQ at about 85, (basically a little higher than imbecile and moron) you can't expect too many Bill Gates and Steve Jobs to spring forth from these places.

    Henry Ford was quite shall we say, the Pro-Jim Crow supporter back in the day.

    Such a shameless, brazen liar. Do you even have a sense of morality?

    The opposite is the truth. Ford hired thousands of african-americans to work in his factories, paying them the same middle class wage that he paid whites. Blacks migrated from the Jim Crow South to Detroit for this opportunity.

    Where Bliss’s entire argument falls into excrement is that 72% of Detroit was WHITE.

    Which was well below the national average of the white population then. While the black population of Detroit was more than double the national average. There were many cities in the North then with over 90% whites but none of them were compared to Paris. Like Minneapolis for example which was overwhelmingly nordic, while the whites of the Paris of the West were mostly the wrong kind of whites: arabs, sicilians, greeks, poles etc, the kind of whites the WASP elite looked down. So what was once the best city in America, was largely filled at that time with middle-easterners, african-americans, slavs and southern europeans…

    And with the average black IQ at about 85, (basically a little higher than imbecile and moron) you can’t expect too many Bill Gates and Steve Jobs to spring forth from these places.

    That is really funny coming from you. You sure don’t come across as intelligent. Or worse, as moral.

    The african-american IQ of 85 is actually a bit higher than that of the white caucasians of the Middle East. For example the Syrian IQ is 79, and fyi, Steve Job’s biological father was a muslim from Syria.

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    Steve Jobs IQ was not 85, you imbecile.

    Detroit was 72% in 1960. From 1930-60 the population was 93%; 89% and then 72% so for most of the time it averaged well above or at the 90% of most US cities.

    Here's the thing: There were very few blacks in Detroit between 1940-60 to make a major difference in the city's population. 1940: The city ca. 93% white. 1950: The city ca. 89%. By 1960: It had dropped to 72% but for a major city that was still quite respectable. But blacks didn't directly affect the total population's makeup at first and certainly didn't contribute very much to WW2 effort compared to whites at large.

    Careful, verrry few Arabs pre 1970 in the US at all. Yes, the first mosque was built in Detroit in '40. There were more Irish, Italians, (European Whites) that comprise Detroit as in rest of US at large during this time (pre-65 Immigration Act).

    Cite your proof of blacks higher IQ being higher than whites from Middle East. You cant, doesn't exist. At best, they'd be about the same.

    Also, a noted example of the most prominent Middle Eastern nation that you don't dare mention is ISRAEL. No way that that nation has an average lower IQ than US Blacks, so your lie is exposed.

    Then as now, Israelis have higher IQs than US blacks. From the looks of it, blacks won't be overtaking them anytime soon.

    Hey, at least US blacks (with their ca.15-25% white admixture in their DNA on average) tend to average higher IQs than African blacks' IQs of 75. So they do have that going for them.
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  • @Jefferson
    How come the talented tenth Blacks could not keep Detroit afloat ?

    because of the untalented ninety-th.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Detroit was built by whites and basically destroyed by blacks. That is the basic, but unacknowledged, truth. What killed Detroit was its demographics. Simply put there are too many blacks living there and they are too unproductive. Detroit should more properly be compared to a city in the Caribbean, like Kingston, Jamaica or Port-au-Prince, Haiti, where there are comparable demographics.

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    @Bliss

    What were these illegal aliens doing in Bellingham, WA in the first place?
     
    What makes you think they were illegal aliens?

    Secondly, how does that justify violence towards them?

    Thirdly, why are you ignoring what happened to the native americans and african americans? They sure weren't immigrants, unlike their tormentors.

    What happened to the so-called “native Americans” (a cultural Marxist term to de-legitimize whites) was a lot more mild then what happened to Indians in Latin America. In any case they occupied only a fraction of the land and were essentially nomadic-hunter gatherer types. It hardly makes a template for immigration decisions.

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  • @Bliss

    The 1882 Exclusion Act and the 1924 Immigration Act were to preserve the historical white nation that created the US at large. These exclusion acts were designed to restrict the wrong sorts that were coming in as cheap labor in the Pacific states.
     
    The 1924 Immigration Act's primary goal was to restrict the immigration of the wrong sort of europeans: south europeans, east europeans and jews.

    You don’t see Japan opening up its borders
     
    Japan, for your information, is not a nation of immigrants. America is. You are a descendant of immigrants from europe. The only major groups in America who are not immigrants are the native americans and african americans. Look at their status in America compared to that of immigrants.

    Btw, going by your nick I am guessing you are a japanophile; so tell us what you think of the nuking of japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Was that a war crime? If not, why not?

    And what do you think about the socialist culture of Japan, and about japanese-americans being so hard core Democrats?

    Protect American jobs for Americans.
     
    You don't really mean that do you? Otherwise why would you vote Republican?

    “America is not a nation of immigrants”. This is Jewish cultural Marxism. America is a nation of the descendents of settlers from centuries ago. Immigration is a privilege not a right.

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  • @Buzz Mohawk
    If you can't make a living and pay the water bill where you are, it's time to move...out of Detroit. That's the adult part of being free.

    If they really want to know what caused their problems, it's the loss of industry to poorer countries with cheap labor and archaic laws. It has nothing to do with race -- and everything to do with a government that has not protected its people from unfair competition.

    ‘it has nothing to do with race’

    It has everything to do with race. Detroit is Haiti north.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jefferson
    How come the talented tenth Blacks could not keep Detroit afloat ?

    “How come the talented tenth Blacks could not keep Detroit afloat?”

    Probably because they preferred to live in white areas. One unintended consequence of ending segregation was that black neighborhoods lost the ‘talented tenth’ that formally had to live there. They could provide some measure of respect and moral suasion to the lower class members of the black community. Once they were able to live where they wanted too, they promptly decamped for greener pastures..

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  • Btw, going by your nick I am guessing you are a japanophile; so tell us what you think of the nuking of japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Was that a war crime? If not, why not?

    I am a “japanophile”. For your information, the (non-nuclear) firebombing of Japanese cities caused even more death and destruction than the nuclear bombings. I don’t care whether they were “war crimes” or not, but I do think, as I do of the bombings of civilians in German cities, that they were unconscionable atrocities. But what does this have to do with anything? It seems bringing it up only serves for you to indulge in your anti-white animus.

    What do you expect Yojimbo/Zatoichi to say? He can either say he thinks it was tragic and unnecessary, or that it was tragic but necessary to prevent even greater tragedy. And then? How is any of this relevant?

    Bliss, tell us what you think of the Eskimos taking their land from its previous occupants (Dorset culture), probably killing them off. Do you think that, despite their way of life remaining mostly unchanged from then up until European contact, their moral sensibilities improved, or do you think that the Eskimos as they were when the Europeans first encountered them would still do the same in the same circumstances?

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    I don’t care whether they were “war crimes” or not, but I do think, as I do of the bombings of civilians in German cities, that they were unconscionable atrocities.
     
    So how the heck is it irrelevant to deem as war crimes the unconscionable atrocities against women, children elderly and the infirm during a war?

    But what does this have to do with anything?
     
    To highlight the sheer dishonesty, both moral and intellectual, of your ilk.

    How can a japanophile be so rabidly anti-socialist?

    How can people who believe in Jesus be so greedy and hateful?
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  • Bliss, why do you think it is shameful to kill other tribes and take their land? Did Genghis think it was shameful, or something to be proud of? What about Shaka Zulu did he think it was shameful? Did the Bantus have any compunction against taking the land of the indigenous pygmies or bushmen? Do you think the Eskimos considered it shameful to take the land from its previous occupants? Did the Maori who killed, tortured, enslaved, raped, and ate the Moriori think such things shameful?

    But you, Bliss, seem to think these are shameful. All I can say is: That’s mighty white of you!

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  • @Bliss

    What were these illegal aliens doing in Bellingham, WA in the first place?
     
    What makes you think they were illegal aliens?

    Secondly, how does that justify violence towards them?

    Thirdly, why are you ignoring what happened to the native americans and african americans? They sure weren't immigrants, unlike their tormentors.

    Uh, because at the time Bellingham was roughly 98% white. DUH.

    Any nation, state, locality, etc has the right to self-determination. If they decide to pass legislation protecting their jobs, their property etc. then that’s their right to do so.

    Also, regarding violence: There’s your truth, the other person’s truth….and then there’s what really happened. Always two sides to an event, and not just yours.

    You’ve already lied or distorted as to the status of Indians and blacks. They were indeed immigrants at one point in their history since neither were indigenous to North American continent. So I’m sure that you have a well informed opinion as to what in fact happened to both groups.

    Frankly, you should keep it to yourself.

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  • @Bliss

    The 1882 Exclusion Act and the 1924 Immigration Act were to preserve the historical white nation that created the US at large. These exclusion acts were designed to restrict the wrong sorts that were coming in as cheap labor in the Pacific states.
     
    The 1924 Immigration Act's primary goal was to restrict the immigration of the wrong sort of europeans: south europeans, east europeans and jews.

    You don’t see Japan opening up its borders
     
    Japan, for your information, is not a nation of immigrants. America is. You are a descendant of immigrants from europe. The only major groups in America who are not immigrants are the native americans and african americans. Look at their status in America compared to that of immigrants.

    Btw, going by your nick I am guessing you are a japanophile; so tell us what you think of the nuking of japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Was that a war crime? If not, why not?

    And what do you think about the socialist culture of Japan, and about japanese-americans being so hard core Democrats?

    Protect American jobs for Americans.
     
    You don't really mean that do you? Otherwise why would you vote Republican?

    Show me the exact phrase where I’ve ever said that I vote Republican. You can’t.

    The 1882 Exclusion Act was to restrict the number of Asians, Chinese laborers in particular. The 1924 Act was aimed at everyone, mainly Europeans and that’s fine. Certainly don’t want the wrong sort of folks to come in then or now.

    That’s a lie, a leftist lying canard. We are NOT a nation of immigrants. Historically, the US has been a white nation that was mainly created and largely built by whites who once here, said “and now that’s roughly about it. WE will decide just how many newcomers we allow to come in past our borders. You don’t like it, then lump it.” That was our official policy for well over a couple centuries. Worked pretty well.

    Another lie: There is no such thing as “Native”-Americans. They migrated here as well some thousands of yrs ago across the Bering Straight. African-Americans were technically immigrants since they migrated here. They didn’t choose to migrate but they did. A technicality but an accurate one.

    Know what? Since you obviously are old enough to remember WW2 I’m sure that you have all the correct opinions (after the fact of course) on US’s policies during wartime. I wasn’t there so I’ll leave that one up to posterity to decide and determine what the culpability is regarding the US.

    Although, modern US-Japan relations have largely and for the most part healed by this time, and that’s a good thing.

    Know what? Unlike yourself I’m not a busybody into other how other nations govern themselves. Whatever government they have is entirely up to them and they don’t need any interference from outsiders. What I like about Japan is that they have nationalistic policies specifically designed to protect their own workers as well as extremely low immigration. They don’t want any more Koreans coming in and certainly they don’t want any Hans coming thru their borders either. Good for them for setting boundaries and standards vs any old other nations who attempt to come thru their national doorway.

    How US citizens vote is neither your business nor mine. That’s the beauty of America. The only person that needs to know is the individuals.

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    That’s a lie, a leftist lying canard. We are NOT a nation of immigrants.
     
    The liar, yet again, is obviously you. Read the following piece by one of the most prominent right wing think tanks in America the Cato Institute (founded and funded by Charles Koch):

    http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/immigrants-have-enriched-american-culture-enhanced-our-influence-world

    Immigration is not undermining the American experiment; it is an integral part of it. We are a nation of immigrants. Successive waves of immigrants have kept our country demographically young, enriched our culture and added to our productive capacity as a nation, enhancing our influence in the world.

    An authoritative 1997 study by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) concluded that immigration delivered a “significant positive gain” to the U.S. economy. In testimony before Congress last year, Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan said, “I’ve always argued that this country has benefited immensely from the fact that we draw people from all over the world.”
    , @Hare Krishna
    Without the white immigrants, whose numbers were severely reduced by the 1924 Immigration Act, employers had to recruit blacks from the South. That was the root of how Detroit and the other Great Lakes cities became so heavily African-American. If not for that law they would be white majority today as would cities such as Los Angeles.

    Self-proclaimed "white nationalists" praising the '24 Immigration Act makes me laugh, because that law may have been the most anti-white law ever passed in the US.
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  • @Jefferson
    Chicago's high Black unemployment rate is being blamed on the fact that a majority of Black Chicagoans live in very racially segregated zip codes where over 90 percent of the population is Black.
    http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/11/19/chicago-fifth-highest-unemployment-rate-among-metro-areas-largest-black-populations/

    So Blacks can't get jobs now unless they reside in areas where there is a lot of White people present ? How about Chinese Americans who live in Chinatowns where few White people reside, they don't seem to have a problem finding a job.

    High Black unemployment being blamed on the Black underclass not having White next door neighbors, sounds like an excuse for Liberal government cronies to send more Section 8 Housing Blacks to predominantly White neighborhoods.

    So the Liberal theory is that Blacks can not get jobs unless they have access to networking with White people who can help them get jobs.

    Why can't Black people living in Black neighborhoods just network with other Black people to help them get a job ?

    Where Bliss’s entire argument falls into excrement is that 72% of Detroit was WHITE. And, Henry Ford was quite shall we say, the Pro-Jim Crow supporter back in the day. Jim Crow policies weren’t just used in the South; they were also used (unofficially) in the North. Point being of course that whites built Western Paris (Detroit) and blacks had little to do with it whatsoever.

    I like that final part of yours: If blacks were all that in the IQ and jobs departments, they could pool their resources and start working together and lift themselves out of poverty. After all, Calypso Louis Farrakhan has been advocating this for decades in his speeches. How come his audiences aren’t listening to him?

    Of course the hard bitter truth is that for most black neighborhoods with an out of wedlock birthrate that will hit 90% by ca. 2029 and in some urban centers is currently well over 80% among blacks, the ‘hoods are like a jungle: Dog eat dog and you don’t know who you can trust. So you make alliances of sorts (gangs) where you can hopefully attempt to survive. At one level they do tend to network together, especially when they rob, carjack, flashmob and riot/burn down and loot the cities. Its possible that actions such as these do take some amount of intellect, time, and planning but obviously that’s not the intellect nor the behavior that everyone is calling for among blacks at large.

    And with the average black IQ at about 85, (basically a little higher than imbecile and moron) you can’t expect too many Bill Gates and Steve Jobs to spring forth from these places.

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    Henry Ford was quite shall we say, the Pro-Jim Crow supporter back in the day.
     
    Such a shameless, brazen liar. Do you even have a sense of morality?

    The opposite is the truth. Ford hired thousands of african-americans to work in his factories, paying them the same middle class wage that he paid whites. Blacks migrated from the Jim Crow South to Detroit for this opportunity.

    Where Bliss’s entire argument falls into excrement is that 72% of Detroit was WHITE.
     
    Which was well below the national average of the white population then. While the black population of Detroit was more than double the national average. There were many cities in the North then with over 90% whites but none of them were compared to Paris. Like Minneapolis for example which was overwhelmingly nordic, while the whites of the Paris of the West were mostly the wrong kind of whites: arabs, sicilians, greeks, poles etc, the kind of whites the WASP elite looked down. So what was once the best city in America, was largely filled at that time with middle-easterners, african-americans, slavs and southern europeans...

    And with the average black IQ at about 85, (basically a little higher than imbecile and moron) you can’t expect too many Bill Gates and Steve Jobs to spring forth from these places.
     
    That is really funny coming from you. You sure don't come across as intelligent. Or worse, as moral.

    The african-american IQ of 85 is actually a bit higher than that of the white caucasians of the Middle East. For example the Syrian IQ is 79, and fyi, Steve Job's biological father was a muslim from Syria.
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  • @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    What were these illegal aliens doing in Bellingham, WA in the first place? The local native born populace hadn't invited them to come in at all.

    OOPS. Forgot that part. What were they doing there? Answer: Illegal immigration brought in to feed the bloodlust of national corporations desire for cheap labor cause they were too CHEAP to pay standard white working wages to the local populace at the time, which, as it's ca.85% white in 2010 census most likely was ca.98% white in 1900 census.

    OOPS. Forgot that part.

    Hm. Importing cheap labor vs. the wishes of the native born American worker. Sounds like history is repeating itself.

    While we're talking about nations alleged past problems (even though these policies were largely supported by the native born American workers at the time) let's talk about other nations and their problems.

    Lets dredge up how the Racist Hans massacred foreigners during their various dynastic reigns. Lets talk about all the various slaves of "inferior peoples" that they had in their imperial courts from different Asian lands that they conquered ER...were given in their spheres of influence that these nations paid tribute in the forms of goods and slaves and human flesh (concubines, prostitutes, etc).

    What were these illegal aliens doing in Bellingham, WA in the first place?

    What makes you think they were illegal aliens?

    Secondly, how does that justify violence towards them?

    Thirdly, why are you ignoring what happened to the native americans and african americans? They sure weren’t immigrants, unlike their tormentors.

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    Uh, because at the time Bellingham was roughly 98% white. DUH.

    Any nation, state, locality, etc has the right to self-determination. If they decide to pass legislation protecting their jobs, their property etc. then that's their right to do so.

    Also, regarding violence: There's your truth, the other person's truth....and then there's what really happened. Always two sides to an event, and not just yours.

    You've already lied or distorted as to the status of Indians and blacks. They were indeed immigrants at one point in their history since neither were indigenous to North American continent. So I'm sure that you have a well informed opinion as to what in fact happened to both groups.

    Frankly, you should keep it to yourself.
    , @Anonymous
    What happened to the so-called "native Americans" (a cultural Marxist term to de-legitimize whites) was a lot more mild then what happened to Indians in Latin America. In any case they occupied only a fraction of the land and were essentially nomadic-hunter gatherer types. It hardly makes a template for immigration decisions.
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  • @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Sorry, Bliss, so so sorry. The 1882 Exclusion Act and the 1924 Immigration Act were to preserve the historical white nation that created the US at large. These exclusion acts were designed to restrict the wrong sorts that were coming in as cheap labor in the Pacific states. Basically, it was done to preserve white working class jobs from being taken by cheap labor (e.g. coolies).

    Historically, the white working classes did not recognize much less understand what peoples who weren't invited to come here, uh, what exactly were they coming here for? Especially since they weren't invited?

    Once again, it's yet another example by national corporations or at the time larger corporations wanting cheap labor and undercutting the white working classes or those who had historically built America from the mid. 17th, 18th and early 19th centuries into a contending power. Henry Clay's American System further cemented that legacy via his protege, Abraham Lincoln.

    If only today's global corporations with their H-1B Visas that undercut US native born middle class jobs at the top and those who bring in Mexican labor that undercut the lower class jobs at the bottom understood what it meant to be a good American; namely, stop hiring/bringing in en masse foreigners to do native born Americans jobs.

    You don't see millions upon millions of Finns, Russians, and Slavs entering China to take away and displace their working classes. The Hans care about their own people.

    You don't see Japan opening up its borders and taking in tens of millions of workers from India and East Africa. Japan cares about its own people first and foremost.

    On this front, protecting native born American jobs from runaway out of control immigration (much of it illegal immigration at that) by foreigners who weren't asked to come here much less the policies voted on in some cases, Americans can learn a good lesson and do the same. America for Americans only.

    Keep out the wrong sort: Those who aren't Americans.

    Protect American jobs for Americans.

    Go ahead and be some bogus "citizen of the world" as the global corporations would have their cheap labor workforce: the best is to have American jobs filled by native born Americans.

    The 1882 Exclusion Act and the 1924 Immigration Act were to preserve the historical white nation that created the US at large. These exclusion acts were designed to restrict the wrong sorts that were coming in as cheap labor in the Pacific states.

    The 1924 Immigration Act’s primary goal was to restrict the immigration of the wrong sort of europeans: south europeans, east europeans and jews.

    You don’t see Japan opening up its borders

    Japan, for your information, is not a nation of immigrants. America is. You are a descendant of immigrants from europe. The only major groups in America who are not immigrants are the native americans and african americans. Look at their status in America compared to that of immigrants.

    Btw, going by your nick I am guessing you are a japanophile; so tell us what you think of the nuking of japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Was that a war crime? If not, why not?

    And what do you think about the socialist culture of Japan, and about japanese-americans being so hard core Democrats?

    Protect American jobs for Americans.

    You don’t really mean that do you? Otherwise why would you vote Republican?

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    Show me the exact phrase where I've ever said that I vote Republican. You can't.

    The 1882 Exclusion Act was to restrict the number of Asians, Chinese laborers in particular. The 1924 Act was aimed at everyone, mainly Europeans and that's fine. Certainly don't want the wrong sort of folks to come in then or now.

    That's a lie, a leftist lying canard. We are NOT a nation of immigrants. Historically, the US has been a white nation that was mainly created and largely built by whites who once here, said "and now that's roughly about it. WE will decide just how many newcomers we allow to come in past our borders. You don't like it, then lump it." That was our official policy for well over a couple centuries. Worked pretty well.

    Another lie: There is no such thing as "Native"-Americans. They migrated here as well some thousands of yrs ago across the Bering Straight. African-Americans were technically immigrants since they migrated here. They didn't choose to migrate but they did. A technicality but an accurate one.

    Know what? Since you obviously are old enough to remember WW2 I'm sure that you have all the correct opinions (after the fact of course) on US's policies during wartime. I wasn't there so I'll leave that one up to posterity to decide and determine what the culpability is regarding the US.

    Although, modern US-Japan relations have largely and for the most part healed by this time, and that's a good thing.

    Know what? Unlike yourself I'm not a busybody into other how other nations govern themselves. Whatever government they have is entirely up to them and they don't need any interference from outsiders. What I like about Japan is that they have nationalistic policies specifically designed to protect their own workers as well as extremely low immigration. They don't want any more Koreans coming in and certainly they don't want any Hans coming thru their borders either. Good for them for setting boundaries and standards vs any old other nations who attempt to come thru their national doorway.

    How US citizens vote is neither your business nor mine. That's the beauty of America. The only person that needs to know is the individuals.
    , @Anonymous
    "America is not a nation of immigrants". This is Jewish cultural Marxism. America is a nation of the descendents of settlers from centuries ago. Immigration is a privilege not a right.
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  • @TomB
    This piece might as well stand as an iconic illustration of the utter uselessness of debating people like the author.

    For decades the normal, traditional mortgage lending standards were condemned by them as racially discriminatory and thus evil. So the lending standards were gutted, whereupon they were happy, until the inevitable happened, whereupon to distract from their own responsibility to pretend that what they advocated was something different they immediately started calling what happened "predatory."

    Heads they win, tails you lose. Always. No matter what. No matter what the heads look like, no matter the tails. Heads they were right and you were evil. Tails they were right and you were evil. Somehow. Someway. Even in listening to them if the results were bad.

    “This piece might as well stand as an iconic illustration of the utter uselessness of debating people like the author.

    For decades the normal, traditional mortgage lending standards were condemned by them as racially discriminatory and thus evil. So the lending standards were gutted, whereupon they were happy, until the inevitable happened, whereupon to distract from their own responsibility to pretend that what they advocated was something different they immediately started calling what happened “predatory.”

    Heads they win, tails you lose. Always. No matter what. No matter what the heads look like, no matter the tails. Heads they were right and you were evil. Tails they were right and you were evil. Somehow. Someway. Even in listening to them if the results were bad.”

    This is the best comment I’ve read in days.

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  • Chicago’s high Black unemployment rate is being blamed on the fact that a majority of Black Chicagoans live in very racially segregated zip codes where over 90 percent of the population is Black.

    http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/11/19/chicago-fifth-highest-unemployment-rate-among-metro-areas-largest-black-populations/

    So Blacks can’t get jobs now unless they reside in areas where there is a lot of White people present ? How about Chinese Americans who live in Chinatowns where few White people reside, they don’t seem to have a problem finding a job.

    High Black unemployment being blamed on the Black underclass not having White next door neighbors, sounds like an excuse for Liberal government cronies to send more Section 8 Housing Blacks to predominantly White neighborhoods.

    So the Liberal theory is that Blacks can not get jobs unless they have access to networking with White people who can help them get jobs.

    Why can’t Black people living in Black neighborhoods just network with other Black people to help them get a job ?

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    Where Bliss's entire argument falls into excrement is that 72% of Detroit was WHITE. And, Henry Ford was quite shall we say, the Pro-Jim Crow supporter back in the day. Jim Crow policies weren't just used in the South; they were also used (unofficially) in the North. Point being of course that whites built Western Paris (Detroit) and blacks had little to do with it whatsoever.

    I like that final part of yours: If blacks were all that in the IQ and jobs departments, they could pool their resources and start working together and lift themselves out of poverty. After all, Calypso Louis Farrakhan has been advocating this for decades in his speeches. How come his audiences aren't listening to him?

    Of course the hard bitter truth is that for most black neighborhoods with an out of wedlock birthrate that will hit 90% by ca. 2029 and in some urban centers is currently well over 80% among blacks, the 'hoods are like a jungle: Dog eat dog and you don't know who you can trust. So you make alliances of sorts (gangs) where you can hopefully attempt to survive. At one level they do tend to network together, especially when they rob, carjack, flashmob and riot/burn down and loot the cities. Its possible that actions such as these do take some amount of intellect, time, and planning but obviously that's not the intellect nor the behavior that everyone is calling for among blacks at large.

    And with the average black IQ at about 85, (basically a little higher than imbecile and moron) you can't expect too many Bill Gates and Steve Jobs to spring forth from these places.

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  • “When Detroit was called “Paris of the West” it was 28% non-white. Non-whites there were overwhelmingly african-american, and largely middle-class thanks to Henry Ford’s non-racist hiring policy. Which means blacks were by far the most over-represented race in Detroit when it was called the Paris of the West. Capische?”

    And now that Detroit is 83 percent Black, the media no longer refers to it as “The Paris Of The West”. And Detroit does not have enough taxpaying middle class and upperclass Blacks to have kept that city from declaring bankruptcy.

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  • I’m not sure what Bliss’ point is but I think it is this: That it is about time that the people took control of who is allowed to live and work in their own territories and stopped the rich from supporting the importation of outsiders for cheap labour—it never ends well. Or maybe Bliss’ point is merely this: Diversity is definitely not a strength.

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  • @Stealth
    Hey, "Bliss:"

    What do you think will happen if you don't pay your water bill? Someone's going to come by your house and cut off your water, and he won't turn it back on until you've paid up. That's a fact of life. I made the mistake a few months back of thinking I'd already paid my own water bill when I had actually forgotten. I got a call from someone telling me I was about to be deprived of fluids. Then I paid.

    As far as the mountain of white evil you've recounted for everyone, I'll tell you the following: if whites were really all that bad, nonwhites wouldn't be climbing over each other to get into our countries. They wouldn't be trying to move into our neighborhoods and send their children to school with white people's children. They would be trying to get away from us.

    Yes, it’s so silly how people like Bliss say that white people are so racist toward blacks and then say that blacks are harmed by attending predominantly black schools with few white students or teachers. Obviously if whites were that racist then the more separated blacks were from whites the better off they would be.

    Blacks tend to be quite racist towards Asians and I’m sure that the vast majority of Asian parents would prefer their children attended schools with as few blacks as possible.

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  • @Jefferson
    "FACT: Per the main reason that ca. 72% white Detroit in 1960, the “Paris of the West”, became 84% black in 2010, was due to racial unrest and of course, the race riots."

    Today Detroit is a lot more like Port-au-Prince than it is like Paris. Ever since Blacks took over Detroit, the property value of homes there really plummeted. It is cheaper to purchase a mansion in Detroit than it is to purchase a trailer home in Malibu, California.

    Even with housing being extremely cheap there, Detroit is still experiencing a population net loss rather than a population net gain. Detroit's extremely high crime rate scares people away from wanting to live there.

    People want to live in an area where the cost of living is cheap, but they also want to live in an area where the crime rate is not out of control. That is why people today are not flocking to Detroit to take advantage of it's cheap housing. What is the point of cheap housing if you are afraid of taking a walk or a jog in your own neighborhood because you might get held up by a Black thug at gunpoint.

    Today Detroit is a lot more like Port-au-Prince than it is like Paris. Ever since Blacks took over Detroit, the property value of homes there really plummeted.

    Typically blinkered ignoramuses. When Detroit was called “Paris of the West” it was 28% non-white. Non-whites there were overwhelmingly african-american, and largely middle-class thanks to Henry Ford’s non-racist hiring policy. Which means blacks were by far the most over-represented race in Detroit when it was called the Paris of the West. Capische?

    And since you are italian-american this should hit home for you:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Italianism

    In United States, and other English-speaking countries to which they immigrated, such as Canada and Australia, the later Italian immigrants were often viewed as perpetual foreigners, restricted to manual labor. Their frequent lack of formal education, and competition with earlier immigrants for lower-paying jobs and housing often resulted in hostility toward them.[4] Ethnocentric chauvinism exhibited by the earlier Northern European settlers toward the Italian immigrants was also a major factor, especially in the American South. In reaction to the large-scale immigration from southern and eastern Europe, Congress passed legislation (Emergency Quota Act of 1921 and Immigration Act of 1924) restricting immigration from those regions, but not from Northern European countries.

    Anti-Italian prejudice was also associated with the anti-Catholic tradition that existed in the United States, inherited from Protestant/Catholic European competition and wars over centuries. When the United States was founded, it inherited the anti-Catholic, anti-papal animosity of its original Protestant settlers. Anti-Catholic sentiments in the U. S. reached a peak in the 19th century when the Protestant population became alarmed by the number of Catholics immigrating to the United States.

    After the American Civil War, during the labor shortage as the South converted to free labor, planters in southern states recruited Italians to come to the United States to work mainly in agriculture and as laborers. Many soon found themselves the victims of prejudice, economic exploitation, and sometimes violence. Italian stereotypes abounded during this period as a means of justifying this maltreatment of the immigrants. The plight of the Italian immigrant agricultural workers in Mississippi was so serious that the Italian embassy became involved in investigating their mistreatment. Later waves of Italian immigrants inherited these same virulent forms of discrimination and stereotyping which, by then, had become ingrained in the American consciousness.[12]

    One of the largest mass lynchings in American history was of eleven Italians in New Orleans, Louisiana in 1891. The city had been the destination for numerous Italian immigrants.[13] Nine Italians who were thought to have assassinated police chief David Hennessy, were arrested, tried and acquitted. Subsequent to the trial, a mob stormed the jailhouse, dragging the men out and lynching them, together with two other Italians who were being held in the jail at the time on unrelated charges.[14] Afterward, the police arrested hundreds of Italian immigrants, on the false pretext that they were all criminals.[15][16]

    In 1899, in Tallulah, Louisiana, three Italian-Americans shopkeepers were lynched because they had given equal status in their shops to blacks. A vigilante mob hanged five Italian Americans: the three shopkeepers and two bystanders.[17]

    In Australia italians along with greeks and lebanese are still looked down on and called wogs. This racism and hate between northern europeans and southern europeans goes at least as far back as the Gallic Wars when Julius Caesar slaughtered a million Gauls and enslaved millions more.

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=australia%20wogs%20italian

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  • “Ask these neo-cons this: How come Seattle, WA is a high wage, high union city, and still has many working class good paying jobs? Huh? WA state is the fourth highest union membership, so unions alone aren’t causing the economic problems.

    HINT: Seattle doesn’t have any race riots. Wonder why?”

    Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania is also a union city and yet it is in a lot better shape than Detroit is by every measure.

    Pittsburgh still has a strong White taxpayer base while Detroit does not.

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  • @Buzz Mohawk
    You say,

    "The white suburbs of Detroit exist in the same world economy as the inner city. These suburbs include some of the nicest areas of the US. Race has everything to do with what happened to Detroit."
     
    The low productivity of a race may be the reason the employers left, but it was no excuse for our government to allow industry to defect to countries where virtual slave labor still exists.

    Hold it, hold it. FIRST came the race riots and the whites skeddadled out of town. THEN came the all black city council rule, black mayor, etc. so the white tax base of Detroit had already shrunk by quite a bit before free trade policies kicked in.

    Concerning the auto industry free trade began in the late 70′s, picked up steam in the 80′s and with NAFTA, that also included the auto industry (outsourcing jobs to Mexico and building auto factories in Mexico as well).

    But the order is correct: Race riots started the mass white exodus. With fewer whites remaining in the city and shrinking tax base, Detroit became what it is.

    The problem was when the auto industry left the white suburbs due to free trade policies which opened the door to bye byes good working class jobs for white working classes.

    But in many urban centers the pattern holds true: First came the race riots and exiting whites, then came free trade policies.

    Now for neo-cons, they don’t even want to touch the race factor in any of this. They want to blame just the big bad unions and evil liberals. It wasn’t the unions who caused the race riots! It wasn’t the unions who elected an all black city council and mayor’s office! Could the unions have compromised? Certainly! But the free trade lead the way out of the US and all the good paying jobs disappeared with the multinationals.

    Ask these neo-cons this: How come Seattle, WA is a high wage, high union city, and still has many working class good paying jobs? Huh? WA state is the fourth highest union membership, so unions alone aren’t causing the economic problems.

    HINT: Seattle doesn’t have any race riots. Wonder why?

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  • And after that terrible incident in Bellingham, WA in 1907 you still see Sikhs and Hindus in the USA suffering greatly. They’re constantly shot in the back by racist cops, their children can’t read on grade level and they struggle to pay their monthly water bill(s)… just like the blacks in Detroit.

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  • @Buzz Mohawk
    You say,

    "The white suburbs of Detroit exist in the same world economy as the inner city. These suburbs include some of the nicest areas of the US. Race has everything to do with what happened to Detroit."
     
    The low productivity of a race may be the reason the employers left, but it was no excuse for our government to allow industry to defect to countries where virtual slave labor still exists.

    Yep, the corporations were the ones who pushed NAFTA and PNTR with China, they loved that cheap Hispanic and Asian labor and still do.

    It’s really sickening to watch GM build state of the art factories in China or Eastern Europe while giving the people here the middle finger. Yet BMW and other foreign automakers don’t have a problem setting up here.

    And look who is for amnesty, it’s the A list of business people: Gates, Buffet, Zuckerberg, Google execs, the Chambers of Commerce, Adelson, the Koch brothers. These guys are perfectly happy to turn us into a 3rd world state.

    I’ll close with this. Blacks are problem, but the real cancer destroying this country and it’s people are the oligarch class that has no allegiance to anything except their bank account. They’ve done more damage in 20 years thanks to crooked trade agreements than cultural Marxism and blacks could ever do.

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  • That Detroit is a more than 80% African American metropolis makes the idea of its rise from bankruptcy with second-class status all the more problematic.

    Ha ha! “problematic”, I think this word was missed on that recent iSteve thread on inane terms.

    I think we should all recognise that Laura Gottesdiener cares about black people and that this makes her a truly good, piously PC person. They must be so proud of her, they whose thoughts she regurgitates when she writes as above, expressing herself in the typical language of the PC priesthood.

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  • Bliss makes an excellent point. All that horrible stuff didn’t prevent the Chinese from being successful in America, it didn’t trap them in a cycle of poverty nor cause them to turn to violent crime to a disproportionate degree. Bliss has pretty much proved that it is silly to pretend that comparatively minor things such as “predatory lending” must haved caused Detroit’s failings. Well done Bliss.

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  • @Jefferson
    How come the talented tenth Blacks could not keep Detroit afloat ?

    Because nobody is that talented.

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  • Detroit resembles the society that you see in films like “The Purge Anarchy”.

    Detroit’s motto should be “You know where you are ? You are in the jungle baby, YOU ARE GONNA DIE”.

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  • @Bliss

    We’re talking about now, you idjit!
     
    How conveniently you want the world to forget the recent past. Why should you be allowed to do so when the racial hatreds of the recent past are still festering in you all's minds, as so clearly revealed in the comments here and most everywhere on the internet? Either we allow the crimes of history to repeat or we take a stand and say: no more, enough already...

    And it is now, you idjit, this very year, that 27,000 black households in Detroit had their water cut off.

    Hey, “Bliss:”

    What do you think will happen if you don’t pay your water bill? Someone’s going to come by your house and cut off your water, and he won’t turn it back on until you’ve paid up. That’s a fact of life. I made the mistake a few months back of thinking I’d already paid my own water bill when I had actually forgotten. I got a call from someone telling me I was about to be deprived of fluids. Then I paid.

    As far as the mountain of white evil you’ve recounted for everyone, I’ll tell you the following: if whites were really all that bad, nonwhites wouldn’t be climbing over each other to get into our countries. They wouldn’t be trying to move into our neighborhoods and send their children to school with white people’s children. They would be trying to get away from us.

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    Yes, it's so silly how people like Bliss say that white people are so racist toward blacks and then say that blacks are harmed by attending predominantly black schools with few white students or teachers. Obviously if whites were that racist then the more separated blacks were from whites the better off they would be.

    Blacks tend to be quite racist towards Asians and I'm sure that the vast majority of Asian parents would prefer their children attended schools with as few blacks as possible.
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  • @Jim
    The white suburbs of Detroit exist in the same world economy as the inner city. These suburbs include some of the nicest areas of the US. Race has everything to do with what happened to Detroit.

    You say,

    “The white suburbs of Detroit exist in the same world economy as the inner city. These suburbs include some of the nicest areas of the US. Race has everything to do with what happened to Detroit.”

    The low productivity of a race may be the reason the employers left, but it was no excuse for our government to allow industry to defect to countries where virtual slave labor still exists.

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    Yep, the corporations were the ones who pushed NAFTA and PNTR with China, they loved that cheap Hispanic and Asian labor and still do.

    It's really sickening to watch GM build state of the art factories in China or Eastern Europe while giving the people here the middle finger. Yet BMW and other foreign automakers don't have a problem setting up here.

    And look who is for amnesty, it's the A list of business people: Gates, Buffet, Zuckerberg, Google execs, the Chambers of Commerce, Adelson, the Koch brothers. These guys are perfectly happy to turn us into a 3rd world state.

    I'll close with this. Blacks are problem, but the real cancer destroying this country and it's people are the oligarch class that has no allegiance to anything except their bank account. They've done more damage in 20 years thanks to crooked trade agreements than cultural Marxism and blacks could ever do.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Hold it, hold it. FIRST came the race riots and the whites skeddadled out of town. THEN came the all black city council rule, black mayor, etc. so the white tax base of Detroit had already shrunk by quite a bit before free trade policies kicked in.

    Concerning the auto industry free trade began in the late 70's, picked up steam in the 80's and with NAFTA, that also included the auto industry (outsourcing jobs to Mexico and building auto factories in Mexico as well).

    But the order is correct: Race riots started the mass white exodus. With fewer whites remaining in the city and shrinking tax base, Detroit became what it is.

    The problem was when the auto industry left the white suburbs due to free trade policies which opened the door to bye byes good working class jobs for white working classes.

    But in many urban centers the pattern holds true: First came the race riots and exiting whites, then came free trade policies.

    Now for neo-cons, they don't even want to touch the race factor in any of this. They want to blame just the big bad unions and evil liberals. It wasn't the unions who caused the race riots! It wasn't the unions who elected an all black city council and mayor's office! Could the unions have compromised? Certainly! But the free trade lead the way out of the US and all the good paying jobs disappeared with the multinationals.

    Ask these neo-cons this: How come Seattle, WA is a high wage, high union city, and still has many working class good paying jobs? Huh? WA state is the fourth highest union membership, so unions alone aren't causing the economic problems.

    HINT: Seattle doesn't have any race riots. Wonder why?

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  • Boo hoo. Life is so unfair.

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  • @Bliss
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellingham_riots

    The Bellingham riots occurred on September 4, 1907, in Bellingham, Washington, USA.[1] A mob of 400–500 white men, predominantly members of the Asiatic Exclusion League, with intentions to exclude East Indian immigrants from the work force of the local lumber mills, attacked the homes of the South Asian Indians.[2] The Indians were mostly Sikhs but were labelled as Hindus by much of the media of the day.[3]

    The mob threw the East Indian workers into the streets, beat them, and pocketed their valuables. The authorities co-operated with the mob by corralling the beaten Indian immigrants into the City Hall, ostensibly for their safety.[4] "By the next day 125 South Asians had been driven out of town and were on their way to British Columbia".[5] Six Indians were hospitalized [6] and about 400 were held in the Bellingham Jail, reportedly under "protective custody".[7] No participants in the mob violence were prosecuted.

    Some victims of the riots migrated to Everett, Washington where two months later, they received similar treatment.[8] Similar riots occurred during this period in Vancouver, BC[9] and California.[10]

    In recognition of the 100th anniversary of the riots, Whatcom County Executive Pete Kremen and Bellingham Mayor Tim Douglas jointly proclaimed Sept. 4, 2007, a “Day of Healing and Reconciliation," acknowledging and atoning for those regrettab
    le events.[11]

    What were these illegal aliens doing in Bellingham, WA in the first place? The local native born populace hadn’t invited them to come in at all.

    OOPS. Forgot that part. What were they doing there? Answer: Illegal immigration brought in to feed the bloodlust of national corporations desire for cheap labor cause they were too CHEAP to pay standard white working wages to the local populace at the time, which, as it’s ca.85% white in 2010 census most likely was ca.98% white in 1900 census.

    OOPS. Forgot that part.

    Hm. Importing cheap labor vs. the wishes of the native born American worker. Sounds like history is repeating itself.

    While we’re talking about nations alleged past problems (even though these policies were largely supported by the native born American workers at the time) let’s talk about other nations and their problems.

    Lets dredge up how the Racist Hans massacred foreigners during their various dynastic reigns. Lets talk about all the various slaves of “inferior peoples” that they had in their imperial courts from different Asian lands that they conquered ER…were given in their spheres of influence that these nations paid tribute in the forms of goods and slaves and human flesh (concubines, prostitutes, etc).

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    What were these illegal aliens doing in Bellingham, WA in the first place?
     
    What makes you think they were illegal aliens?

    Secondly, how does that justify violence towards them?

    Thirdly, why are you ignoring what happened to the native americans and african americans? They sure weren't immigrants, unlike their tormentors.
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  • @Jefferson
    "And it is now, you idjit, this very year, that 27,000 black households in Detroit had their water cut off."

    Those 27,000 ghetto welfare Blacks in Detroit deserved to have their water cut off. They can not expect taxpayers to pay their water bills for them.

    Oh? And why not? They’ve been used to whitey tax-paying for everything else from cradle to grave for them. Maybe if they stopped paying for Jordans (assuming they pay and not steal or get knock offs), stopped paying for nails, extensions, and new rims, etc. and actually prioritized for essentials like paying their bills first and concentrating on…you know, getting an actual job and off welfare, they might be on the road to becoming responsible US citizens.

    Can you see it happening?

    I can’t either.

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  • @Bliss

    In the first Detroit, private security is common and the living is relatively safe. In the second, running water has systematically been cut off from at least 27,000 households this year alone

    On a Friday in mid-October, the evening before two U.N. officials were to begin investigating whether Detroit’s mass water shutoffs constitute a violation of international human rights law

    Many here quietly wonder about the purposefulness of it all or, as one resident finally asked the U.N. officials during their visit: “Does this, all that you’ve heard, meet the legal definition of genocide?”
     
    Without international pressure african americans in general, not just in Detroit, are probably doomed. Other minorities will face the same fate. What happened to native-american, chinese, south asian and african neighborhoods a century or so ago will happen again.

    http://www.sfgate.com/books/article/REIGN-OF-TERROR-AGAINST-CHINESE-PROFESSOR-2589398.php

    Pfaelzer's book breaks new ground. It provides the first in-depth account of a protracted racist campaign that culminated in what the Chinese called pai hua -- the driven out; it rescues for history the hitherto forgotten story of a sophisticated and tenacious Chinese resistance movement; and it invites us to consider the relationship between anti-Chinese persecution and mainstream American racism.

    In gut-wrenching detail, "Driven Out" takes us from the first "race war" that took place locally between miners competing over gold diggings along the American River in the early 1850s, through the U.S. government's Exclusion Acts of 1882 and 1902, which banned immigration of Chinese people for 60 years. The campaign to identify, target, humiliate, segregate and "disappear" the Chinese was a tour de force, involving the participation and collusion of a wide swath of good Californians.

    One hundred pogroms took place throughout the Pacific Northwest in the second half of the 19th century. Thousands of Chinese were rounded up and "violently herded into railroad cars, steamers, or logging rafts, marched out of town, or killed," writes Pfaelzer. The violence was regionwide and systematic. In Los Angeles in 1871, a mob lynched 16 Chinese men and one Chinese woman. Chico's Chinatown was destroyed by fire in 1876. Around the same time, arson, murder and terrorism forced the Chinese out of Truckee.

    Mob violence was supported by local elites and backed up by anti-Chinese legislation, police and judicial collusion, and a barrage of humiliating images documenting the "yellow peril" -- portraying the men as sneaky, feminized and sacrilegious, the women as diseased and racially disposed to "hygienic lassitude."

    Pfaelzer certainly makes the case that California engaged in ethnic cleansing. She also demonstrates how genocidal policies against Native peoples and post-Civil War Jim Crow policies shaped attitudes to the Chinese, and vice versa: "The Ku Klux Klan assaulted blacks in the South, the military and volunteer militias drove tribal people off their lands, murdering thousands, and the Order of the Caucasians, the Workingmen's Party, and the Democratic Party rounded up and expelled the Chinese in California, burning Chinatowns to the ground. "


    To those who are opportunistically ganging up with right wing racist whites against blacks I advise you to remember this nazi-era quote:

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


    (Martin Niemöller)

    Sorry, Bliss, so so sorry. The 1882 Exclusion Act and the 1924 Immigration Act were to preserve the historical white nation that created the US at large. These exclusion acts were designed to restrict the wrong sorts that were coming in as cheap labor in the Pacific states. Basically, it was done to preserve white working class jobs from being taken by cheap labor (e.g. coolies).

    Historically, the white working classes did not recognize much less understand what peoples who weren’t invited to come here, uh, what exactly were they coming here for? Especially since they weren’t invited?

    Once again, it’s yet another example by national corporations or at the time larger corporations wanting cheap labor and undercutting the white working classes or those who had historically built America from the mid. 17th, 18th and early 19th centuries into a contending power. Henry Clay’s American System further cemented that legacy via his protege, Abraham Lincoln.

    If only today’s global corporations with their H-1B Visas that undercut US native born middle class jobs at the top and those who bring in Mexican labor that undercut the lower class jobs at the bottom understood what it meant to be a good American; namely, stop hiring/bringing in en masse foreigners to do native born Americans jobs.

    You don’t see millions upon millions of Finns, Russians, and Slavs entering China to take away and displace their working classes. The Hans care about their own people.

    You don’t see Japan opening up its borders and taking in tens of millions of workers from India and East Africa. Japan cares about its own people first and foremost.

    On this front, protecting native born American jobs from runaway out of control immigration (much of it illegal immigration at that) by foreigners who weren’t asked to come here much less the policies voted on in some cases, Americans can learn a good lesson and do the same. America for Americans only.

    Keep out the wrong sort: Those who aren’t Americans.

    Protect American jobs for Americans.

    Go ahead and be some bogus “citizen of the world” as the global corporations would have their cheap labor workforce: the best is to have American jobs filled by native born Americans.

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    The 1882 Exclusion Act and the 1924 Immigration Act were to preserve the historical white nation that created the US at large. These exclusion acts were designed to restrict the wrong sorts that were coming in as cheap labor in the Pacific states.
     
    The 1924 Immigration Act's primary goal was to restrict the immigration of the wrong sort of europeans: south europeans, east europeans and jews.

    You don’t see Japan opening up its borders
     
    Japan, for your information, is not a nation of immigrants. America is. You are a descendant of immigrants from europe. The only major groups in America who are not immigrants are the native americans and african americans. Look at their status in America compared to that of immigrants.

    Btw, going by your nick I am guessing you are a japanophile; so tell us what you think of the nuking of japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Was that a war crime? If not, why not?

    And what do you think about the socialist culture of Japan, and about japanese-americans being so hard core Democrats?

    Protect American jobs for Americans.
     
    You don't really mean that do you? Otherwise why would you vote Republican?
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  • @Bliss
    History repeating in Detroit?


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosewood_Massacre

    The Rosewood Massacre was a racially motivated attack on African Americans and their neighborhood committed by a white mob in Florida during January 1–7, 1923..... The town of Rosewood, a majority-black community, was abandoned and destroyed in what contemporary news reports characterized as a race riot (with the implication blacks had broken out in violence). Racial disturbances with attacks by whites against blacks were common during the early 20th century in the United States, reflecting the nation's rapid social changes. Florida had an especially high number of lynchings in the years before the massacre; the great majority of victims were black males.


    Prior to the massacre, the town of Rosewood had been a quiet, primarily black, self-sufficient whistle stop on the Seaboard Air Line Railway. Trouble began when white men from several nearby towns lynched a Rosewood resident because of unsupported accusations that a white woman in nearby Sumner had been beaten and possibly raped by a black drifter. When the town's African-American citizens rallied together to defend themselves against further attacks, a mob of several hundred whites formed in reaction and started combing the countryside hunting down black people, and they attacked and destroyed the community, burning almost every structure within Rosewood.

    Survivors from the town hid for several days in nearby swamps until they were evacuated by train and car to larger towns. Although state and local authorities were aware of the violence, no arrests were made for what happened in Rosewood. The town was abandoned by its black residents; none ever returned.

    No, history is not repeating itself. What a deliberately obtuse statement. There are no white mobs running amok and burning down black neighborhoods in Detroit.

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  • “FACT: Per the main reason that ca. 72% white Detroit in 1960, the “Paris of the West”, became 84% black in 2010, was due to racial unrest and of course, the race riots.”

    Today Detroit is a lot more like Port-au-Prince than it is like Paris. Ever since Blacks took over Detroit, the property value of homes there really plummeted. It is cheaper to purchase a mansion in Detroit than it is to purchase a trailer home in Malibu, California.

    Even with housing being extremely cheap there, Detroit is still experiencing a population net loss rather than a population net gain. Detroit’s extremely high crime rate scares people away from wanting to live there.

    People want to live in an area where the cost of living is cheap, but they also want to live in an area where the crime rate is not out of control. That is why people today are not flocking to Detroit to take advantage of it’s cheap housing. What is the point of cheap housing if you are afraid of taking a walk or a jog in your own neighborhood because you might get held up by a Black thug at gunpoint.

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    Today Detroit is a lot more like Port-au-Prince than it is like Paris. Ever since Blacks took over Detroit, the property value of homes there really plummeted.
     
    Typically blinkered ignoramuses. When Detroit was called "Paris of the West" it was 28% non-white. Non-whites there were overwhelmingly african-american, and largely middle-class thanks to Henry Ford's non-racist hiring policy. Which means blacks were by far the most over-represented race in Detroit when it was called the Paris of the West. Capische?

    And since you are italian-american this should hit home for you:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Italianism

    In United States, and other English-speaking countries to which they immigrated, such as Canada and Australia, the later Italian immigrants were often viewed as perpetual foreigners, restricted to manual labor. Their frequent lack of formal education, and competition with earlier immigrants for lower-paying jobs and housing often resulted in hostility toward them.[4] Ethnocentric chauvinism exhibited by the earlier Northern European settlers toward the Italian immigrants was also a major factor, especially in the American South. In reaction to the large-scale immigration from southern and eastern Europe, Congress passed legislation (Emergency Quota Act of 1921 and Immigration Act of 1924) restricting immigration from those regions, but not from Northern European countries.

    Anti-Italian prejudice was also associated with the anti-Catholic tradition that existed in the United States, inherited from Protestant/Catholic European competition and wars over centuries. When the United States was founded, it inherited the anti-Catholic, anti-papal animosity of its original Protestant settlers. Anti-Catholic sentiments in the U. S. reached a peak in the 19th century when the Protestant population became alarmed by the number of Catholics immigrating to the United States.

    After the American Civil War, during the labor shortage as the South converted to free labor, planters in southern states recruited Italians to come to the United States to work mainly in agriculture and as laborers. Many soon found themselves the victims of prejudice, economic exploitation, and sometimes violence. Italian stereotypes abounded during this period as a means of justifying this maltreatment of the immigrants. The plight of the Italian immigrant agricultural workers in Mississippi was so serious that the Italian embassy became involved in investigating their mistreatment. Later waves of Italian immigrants inherited these same virulent forms of discrimination and stereotyping which, by then, had become ingrained in the American consciousness.[12]

    One of the largest mass lynchings in American history was of eleven Italians in New Orleans, Louisiana in 1891. The city had been the destination for numerous Italian immigrants.[13] Nine Italians who were thought to have assassinated police chief David Hennessy, were arrested, tried and acquitted. Subsequent to the trial, a mob stormed the jailhouse, dragging the men out and lynching them, together with two other Italians who were being held in the jail at the time on unrelated charges.[14] Afterward, the police arrested hundreds of Italian immigrants, on the false pretext that they were all criminals.[15][16]

    In 1899, in Tallulah, Louisiana, three Italian-Americans shopkeepers were lynched because they had given equal status in their shops to blacks. A vigilante mob hanged five Italian Americans: the three shopkeepers and two bystanders.[17]


    In Australia italians along with greeks and lebanese are still looked down on and called wogs. This racism and hate between northern europeans and southern europeans goes at least as far back as the Gallic Wars when Julius Caesar slaughtered a million Gauls and enslaved millions more.

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=australia%20wogs%20italian
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  • @Bliss

    We’re talking about now, you idjit!
     
    How conveniently you want the world to forget the recent past. Why should you be allowed to do so when the racial hatreds of the recent past are still festering in you all's minds, as so clearly revealed in the comments here and most everywhere on the internet? Either we allow the crimes of history to repeat or we take a stand and say: no more, enough already...

    And it is now, you idjit, this very year, that 27,000 black households in Detroit had their water cut off.

    So what does your Wikipedia article have to do with tens of thousands of Detroiters who find the time and effort to hop on the bus to suburban Detroit malls and drops $100+ on the newest Jordans rather than pay their water bills?

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  • East English Village is a majority black neighborhood and so is Palmer Woods. They are mainly comprised of upper middle class blacks. This author has painted a distorted picture of the city.

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  • “And it is now, you idjit, this very year, that 27,000 black households in Detroit had their water cut off.”

    Those 27,000 ghetto welfare Blacks in Detroit deserved to have their water cut off. They can not expect taxpayers to pay their water bills for them.

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    Oh? And why not? They've been used to whitey tax-paying for everything else from cradle to grave for them. Maybe if they stopped paying for Jordans (assuming they pay and not steal or get knock offs), stopped paying for nails, extensions, and new rims, etc. and actually prioritized for essentials like paying their bills first and concentrating on...you know, getting an actual job and off welfare, they might be on the road to becoming responsible US citizens.

    Can you see it happening?

    I can't either.
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  • Onward social justice warriors
    Marching off to war
    We won’t rest
    Till we foul every nest
    And make all equally poor

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  • We’re talking about now, you idjit!

    How conveniently you want the world to forget the recent past. Why should you be allowed to do so when the racial hatreds of the recent past are still festering in you all’s minds, as so clearly revealed in the comments here and most everywhere on the internet? Either we allow the crimes of history to repeat or we take a stand and say: no more, enough already…

    And it is now, you idjit, this very year, that 27,000 black households in Detroit had their water cut off.

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    So what does your Wikipedia article have to do with tens of thousands of Detroiters who find the time and effort to hop on the bus to suburban Detroit malls and drops $100+ on the newest Jordans rather than pay their water bills?
    , @Stealth
    Hey, "Bliss:"

    What do you think will happen if you don't pay your water bill? Someone's going to come by your house and cut off your water, and he won't turn it back on until you've paid up. That's a fact of life. I made the mistake a few months back of thinking I'd already paid my own water bill when I had actually forgotten. I got a call from someone telling me I was about to be deprived of fluids. Then I paid.

    As far as the mountain of white evil you've recounted for everyone, I'll tell you the following: if whites were really all that bad, nonwhites wouldn't be climbing over each other to get into our countries. They wouldn't be trying to move into our neighborhoods and send their children to school with white people's children. They would be trying to get away from us.
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  • Ewww, someone blissed all over this thread and now it’s all sticky and stinky!

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