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    After 20 years of silence from academics, Nathan Cofnas has written a comprehensive critical review of The Culture of Critique in an academic venue. I have been waiting for this to happen and was beginning to think it never would. Academics want their work to be taken seriously, and honest academics value the rough and...
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    Second reply from Professor MacDonald to Nathan Cofnas:

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    Nathan Cofnas has responded to my reply to his Human Nature article on my book, The Culture of Critique. These are my comments on his reply. - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324164802_SECOND_REPLY_TO_NATHAN_COFNAS

    FYI, Mr. Cofnas:

    Both Cofnas and Gelman keep emphasizing geography as one of the main explanations for Jewish overrepresentation at Harvard, Yale, etc.

    What they don’t seem to factor in though, is that the Haredi community is almost exclusively based in the Northeast and they, currently, make up about 10% of the total U.S. Jewish population, therefore they are about 20% of the northeastern Jewish population.
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    Since Haredi Jews mostly don’t attend regular universities and pursue religious rather than intellectual/scientific studies, even though they are mostly based in “major urban centers”, at least 10% of the Jewish community, in the northeastern United States and in the United Kingdom likely closer to 20%, would not apply to elite universities, which makes the Jewish overrepresentation at the Ivy League, etc. even starker than Mr. Unz documented
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/judaism-as-a-group-evolutionary-strategy/#comment-2263615


    Kevin MacDonald
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    My second reply to Nathan Cofnas. Warning: it is long and tedious but, I think necessary.


    https://twitter.com/TOOEdit/status/980905890386608128

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    Jewish Organizations Had a Role in 1965 Act
    Family-based, rather than skills-based immigration, had been advocated by Jewish organizations since at least the 1920s.

    April 10, 2018 11:29 a.m. ET
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    In dismissing my argument that Jewish organizations have been disproportionately influential in U.S. immigration policy, Abraham Miller fails to confront the data compiled in my 1998 book “The Culture of Critique,” which also describes changes in academic attitudes on race critical to passage of the 1965 Immigration Act (“The Theory Behind That Charlottesville Slogan,” op-ed, April 3). It was absolutely understood by both restrictionists and antirestrictionists in Congress that Jewish organizations spearheaded opposition against the 1924 law’s national origins, despite little public support. Jewish organizations also organized, funded and performed most of the work of a variety of umbrella organizations aimed at combating the 1924 law. The 1965 reform was thus not the result of popular pressure but rather of a 40-year program of activism.

    Rep. Michael Feighan did indeed shape family based immigration in the 1965 law. But family based, rather than skills-based immigration, had been advocated by Jewish organizations since at least the 1920s. Feighan would be horrified at the results given his long record of support for the 1924 law (see NPR.org: “In 1965 A Conservative Tried to Keep America White. His Plan Backfired”). He may well have been deceived by the 1965 reform’s proponents, who insisted it wouldn’t change the ethnic balance of the U.S. by dramatically increasing non-European immigration.

    Far from being unusual, my view of the role of Jewish organizations is shared by, e.g., University of California, Santa Barbara historian Otis Graham and Vanderbilt University historian Hugh Davis Graham.

    Em. Prof. Kevin MacDonald

    Calif. State University, Long Beach

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/jewish-organizations-had-a-role-in-1965-act-1523374146

    Nathan Cofnas
    ‏@nathancofnas

    Nathan Cofnas Retweeted Kevin MacDonald

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  • @AaronB
    As for whether I agree with Mcdonald, I largely regard evolutionary biology as incoherent - the mechanism is clearly cultural.

    So I don't think Jews have genetically evolved to act this way, but are subjected to an extraordinarily powerful system of cultural conditioning, which I am personally acquainted with, to act this way, and that ultimately derives from Judaism, but that may be moderated as historically has happened with other groups with similar ideas.

    There is every chance Jews will moderate their aggressive hostility and mellow out a bit after the collapse of their current regime, much like the Japanese, the Germans, or the Muslims did after an aggressively hostile phase. Aggressive phases alternate with mellow phases.

    However, Judaism will always contain within itself the seed of hostile aggression to outsiders - but if history is any guide, it may well lay dormant for long periods.

    And individual Jews are not generically fated to anything.

    Evolutionary PSYSCHOLOGY, Aaron, not evolutionary biology!

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  • @Svigor

    Here’s a recent paper by Curt Dunkel (one of the people actually referenced by Cofnas in his paper). If you just average the three studies, you get a Jewish IQ of 108, and a non-Jewish white of about 101, meaning they have a 7 point advantage (as do Agnostics, btw). If you weight the studies a bit more sensibly, it looks more like 6 points. Maybe 5. (The study that gives Jews the highest score, is a simple vocab test. The studies that give them lower scores test a bunch of different things.)
     
    Funny, 108 is exactly the estimate I got for Ashkenazis worldwide (i.e., Israeli Ashkenazis included), on the back of a cocktail napkin.

    meaning they have a 7 point advantage (as do Agnostics, btw)
     
    Episcopalians have an 8 point advantage.

    If Orthodox Jews have high IQs, they very skillfully hide it.

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  • @Lot
    Despite its length, this article never even attempts to address the specific criticisms of CoC, instead consisting of mostly long-winded "clarifications."

    MacDonald's main problems is that he's motivated by resentment of successful academics, leading him to adopt his antisemitic grant theories first, then look for evidence to support it.

    Cofnas was nice enough to generously give MacDonald the time of day, put Pinker is the one who has the better argument:

    The suggestion that scholars "can't ignore bad ideas" is a nonstarter. In science there are a thousand bad ideas for every good one. "Doing battle" against all of them is not an option for mere mortals, and doing battle against some of them is a tacit acknowledgment that those have enough merit to exceed the onerous threshold of attention-worthiness. MacDonald's ideas, as presented in summaries that would serve as a basis for further examination, do not pass that threshold, for many reasons:

    1. By stating that Jews promulgate scientific hypotheses because they are Jewish, he is engaging in ad hominem argumentation that is outside the bounds of normal scientific discourse and an obvious waste of time to engage. MacDonald has already announced that I will reject his ideas because I am Jewish, so what's the point of replying to them?

    2. MacDonald's main axioms - group selection of behavioral adaptations, and behaviorally relevant genetic cohesiveness of ethnic groups -- are opposed by powerful bodies of data and theory, which Tooby, Cosmides, and many other evolutionary psychologists have written about in detail. Of course any assumption can be questioned, but there are no signs that MacDonald has taken on the burden of proof of showing that the majority view is wrong.

    3. MacDonald's various theses, even if worthy of scientifically debate individually, collectively add up to a consistently invidious portrayal of Jews, couched in value-laden, disparaging language. It is impossible to avoid the impression that this is not an ordinary scientific hypothesis.

    4. The argument, as presented in the summaries, fail two basic tests of scientific credibility: a control group (in this case, other minority ethnic groups), and a comparison with alternative hypotheses (such as Thomas Sowell's convincing analysis of "middlemen minorities" such as the Jews, presented in his magisterial study of migration, race, conquest, and culture).

    Of course I have not plowed through MacDonald's trilogy and therefore run the complementary risks of being unfair to his arguments, and of not refuting them resoundingly enough to distance them from my own views on evolutionary psychology. But in the marketplace of ideas, a proposal has to have enough initial credibility, and enough signs of adherence to the ground rules of scientific debate, to earn the precious currency of the attention of one's peers.
     

    Lot says a lot not to have even read MacDonald’s work.

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  • @Nathan Cofnas
    I have responded to Kevin MacDonald's reply here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323918530_Kevin_MacDonald%27s_Response_with_Comments_by_Nathan_Cofnas

    Second reply from Professor MacDonald to Nathan Cofnas:

    Abstract
    Nathan Cofnas has responded to my reply to his Human Nature article on my book, The Culture of Critique. These are my comments on his reply. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324164802_SECOND_REPLY_TO_NATHAN_COFNAS

    FYI, Mr. Cofnas:

    Both Cofnas and Gelman keep emphasizing geography as one of the main explanations for Jewish overrepresentation at Harvard, Yale, etc.

    What they don’t seem to factor in though, is that the Haredi community is almost exclusively based in the Northeast and they, currently, make up about 10% of the total U.S. Jewish population, therefore they are about 20% of the northeastern Jewish population.
    [...]
    Since Haredi Jews mostly don’t attend regular universities and pursue religious rather than intellectual/scientific studies, even though they are mostly based in “major urban centers”, at least 10% of the Jewish community, in the northeastern United States and in the United Kingdom likely closer to 20%, would not apply to elite universities, which makes the Jewish overrepresentation at the Ivy League, etc. even starker than Mr. Unz documented

    http://www.unz.com/article/judaism-as-a-group-evolutionary-strategy/#comment-2263615

    Kevin MacDonald
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    My second reply to Nathan Cofnas. Warning: it is long and tedious but, I think necessary.

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    Opinion/Letters
    Jewish Organizations Had a Role in 1965 Act
    Family-based, rather than skills-based immigration, had been advocated by Jewish organizations since at least the 1920s.

    April 10, 2018 11:29 a.m. ET
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    In dismissing my argument that Jewish organizations have been disproportionately influential in U.S. immigration policy, Abraham Miller fails to confront the data compiled in my 1998 book “The Culture of Critique,” which also describes changes in academic attitudes on race critical to passage of the 1965 Immigration Act (“The Theory Behind That Charlottesville Slogan,” op-ed, April 3). It was absolutely understood by both restrictionists and antirestrictionists in Congress that Jewish organizations spearheaded opposition against the 1924 law’s national origins, despite little public support. Jewish organizations also organized, funded and performed most of the work of a variety of umbrella organizations aimed at combating the 1924 law. The 1965 reform was thus not the result of popular pressure but rather of a 40-year program of activism.

    Rep. Michael Feighan did indeed shape family based immigration in the 1965 law. But family based, rather than skills-based immigration, had been advocated by Jewish organizations since at least the 1920s. Feighan would be horrified at the results given his long record of support for the 1924 law (see NPR.org: “In 1965 A Conservative Tried to Keep America White. His Plan Backfired”). He may well have been deceived by the 1965 reform’s proponents, who insisted it wouldn’t change the ethnic balance of the U.S. by dramatically increasing non-European immigration.

    Far from being unusual, my view of the role of Jewish organizations is shared by, e.g., University of California, Santa Barbara historian Otis Graham and Vanderbilt University historian Hugh Davis Graham.

    Em. Prof. Kevin MacDonald

    Calif. State University, Long Beach
     

    - https://www.wsj.com/articles/jewish-organizations-had-a-role-in-1965-act-1523374146


    Nathan Cofnas
    ‏@nathancofnas

    Nathan Cofnas Retweeted Kevin MacDonald

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  • @Max Denken
    As one deeply distraught over the tilting that American Jews cause to the socio-political course and destiny of the U. S., I've long sought a forum for discussing that topic in a spirit, say, of AmRen's exposition of the black equivalent thereof. I've written some critical pieces myself, including, recently, one at UR about Jewish attacks on Poland.

    However, any such J-criticism is tainted a priori, washed out, because it's automatically lumped together with the lunatic fringe. The field of J-criticism has been pre-empted by a tribe of Nazizoid maniacs, all weaned on the Protocols, Mein Kampf, Savitri Devi, Francis Yockey, Mark Weber and MacDonald, with the latter providing the veneer of academic respectability to the former.

    Any discussion of the merits or drawbacks of Jewish influence draws this tribe like a swarm of hornets to ripe red meat. And the junk they post is so lunatic, oozing confirmation bias and pure unadulterated hate, that it defeats the very credibility of any criticism of Jews. Trying and failing to shoo away that swarm, I had to post this, addressed to their apparent chieftain:

    "By mixing your crazy shit into legitimate, truthful criticism of Jewish influence, acts and utterances, you are poisoning the whole kettle of soup. You are doing for it what the “Jews won’t replace us” crowd did for the white cause in Charlottesville. You could not be more effective if you were a Black Ops unit of ZOA or ADL– and perhaps that’s what you are. Go elsewhere, Nazi or false flag Nazi scum. It’s a free country, you can wear svastika armbands, you can hold your own demonstrations, but don’t sabotage it for the rest of us."

    On another note: where is MacDonald's A3P party? I read its platform; it was great -- I'd have voted for it. But, to the knowing, there was a subtext there too, evinced in the utterances and activities of A3P's founders: joo-hatred. Too bad.

    White nationalist parties in Europe have thrived: Sweden Democrats, Vlaams Belang, Front National, AfD, FPÖ in Austria etc. They thrived after cleansing themselves of prominent anti-Semites and repudiating their utterances. And no, not because joos control the media. The respective Jewish communities in those countries oppose the nationalist parties to this day -- and yes, I do feel enmity to those communities because of that.

    BNP in the UK, stuck in a joos-done-it-to-us mold, like A3P, died with a whimper. The world after Hitler is not the same it was before. "Die Juden sind unser Unglück!" is not a road to winning hearts and minds anymore, yet, whatever MacDonald's intentions have been, that's the conclusion that arises from his publications, and that's why the Daily Stormer is quite similar to the daily Stürmer. Not smart.

    A minor (though prolix) masterpiece of concern trolling mixed with guilt-by-association. I salute you with my finest (though unpracticed) Roman gesture.

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  • @Vinteuil
    So who do you think lovers of the violin repertoire should have been listening to, instead of Joseph Joachim, Fritz Kreisler, Josef Szigeti, Jascha Heifetz, Yehudi Menuhin, David Oistrakh, Itzhak Perlman - &c.?

    Among others Zino Franceschati, Anne-Sophie Mutter, Patrice Fontanarosa (though his wife is Jewish), the pupil of the latter Nemanja Radulović. I love David Oistrakh though.
    You’ll note that all the violinists you cite are famous for their interpretations of works by goyim, Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, Tchaikovsky, with Mendelsohn being an exception.
    Studying classical music demands resources. For violin, it demands at least an instrument that doesn’t sound like a cat you’re skinning and those don’t come cheap. For the piano, it was even worse before Yamaha began to make cheap digital instruments that wheren’t yet anywhere close to how a grand plays. Roland has recently made some good instruments, I owe one, and though still cheeper than a good upright, one still has to have good revenue to afford it. As for second hand acoustic pianos, they tend to go out of tune in the high pitch, and an out of tune piano isn’t exactly the best tool for a kid to become a virtuoso. Then there’s the education. A good teacher doesn’t come cheap either.
    All in all, learning classical music demands much more resources than learning the axe. Nevertheless, I am grateful to Jewish interpreters for bringing to life the works of the great goyim masters of music.

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  • @Geremiah
    I am less interested in the content of the back-and-forth of the Cofnas/MacDonald exchange than in the scientistic approach they both share.
    As a positivist, Cofnas ostentatiously wields Occam's razor. I don't see how parsimony is better than Einstein's rejection of it in his famous observation than an explanation should be as simple as possible but not simpler. Whether C of C is adequately parsimonious or not, the book includes a richness of valuable detail that a rigidly parsimonious account would leave out. I don't know whether the greater emphasis on parsimony as opposed to comprehensiveness that I take to be chracteristic of contemporary positivism is necessary to positivism itself or a historical accident, due to its energence in opposition to Christian accounts that required divine agency. As MacDonald's evolutionary theory never adverts to supernatural forces or any other extraneous elements, it seems to me that Cofnas's objections on this ground are inapposite.
    MacDonald advances his work as the description of an evolutionary strategy, either actually or apparently invoking a Darwinian naturalism. It is hard for me to square such a conception with moral critique. Criticism of Jews under Darwinian metaphysics seems no more appropriate than the disapproval of the animals in a documentary featuring lions, hyenas, and wildebeests. Like other "social scientists," Macdonald strains to force a completely detached perspective onto a topic to which it doesn't apply, namely the fate of his people. We do not deal here with the issue of whether a particular enzyme promotes or inhibits the growth of the slime mold. The attempt to affect the detachment appropriate to that issue to the topic of this exchange does worse than dictate a strained antirhetoric. Scientism has done more to damage the white race than Jews ever could, by demoralizing it in both senses of that word. Scientism has cast the West and the white race adrift in a metaphysics of random meaninglessness, light years away from a port of call.

    False. The West and the western European race have not been cast light years away from a port of call. Honest scientific investigation of individual and collective behaviors would treat each individual and collective in a dispassionate, objective manner. Instead, we now observe a community of investigators that not only ignores the potential and very interesting question that a minority group may implement strategies to its own benefit and possible detriment of the host group, but the community also actively discourages such investigation, using arguments that such investigation is pernicious, previously discredited, and counters the primary objectives of social research.

    A primary point of the “discredited” research is to call attention to a rebuttable presumption that the very characteristics, strategies, and beliefs that have worked well for many European tribes heretofore, especially the pioneer tribes, may be mortally compromised by a collective strategy that works to offset the strengths of the former. For instance, pioneer peoples tend to be generous and inclusive, strategies that work well in an inhospitable, lightly populated environment where every active hand is welcomed. Not so much when their predisposal to open acceptance is turned on them in the form of a moral mandate to welcome large numbers of strangers, many who are hostile to the natives, into their land.

    Another example. Pioneer types are accustomed to judge a man or an idea on its merits, using all available information, and without unsolicited advice from a self-selected moral authority. In modern America this logic has been replaced by institutional vetting of the merit of men and ideas by the clerisy. This change has been implemented at all levels, from lengthy applications required for entry level employment, to the relentless request for credentials and moral purity required for personal or ideological advance in received society. The demand for moral and ideological purity is largely artificial, meaningless, and almost certainly inefficient. Its primary function appears to be that it serves as an entry barrier to those who are not concerned with the agenda of the clerisy. The free transfer of information that is so vital to pioneer societies has been replaced by rigorous censorship, so that only “useful” information is available.

    Perhaps this only marks the steady and inevitable progress of human society from the pioneer to the decadent. Perhaps not.

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  • Indeed – and which ethnic group is at the forefront of such efforts?

    It’s no secret that McDonald is merely turning the weapon against its inventor. It’s the law of irony and unintended consequences.If you unleash a weapon into the world, prepare for it to eventually be used against you. SJWs are only wrong insofar as they make racism the exclusive domain of whites – that’s weaponizing racism. Mcdonald is weaponizing it back – Jews are the primary purveyors of racism.

    SJWs may be wrong, but no one suggests its ridiculous to discuss whether whites are uniquely racist. McDonald may be wrong, but the idea that Jews are today the primary purveyors of racism is slowly becoming a legitimate topic for discussion. When it becomes accepted that all groups are to some extent racist, maybe we can have more rational policy of limited multiculturalism. But an essential part of this process is McDonald’s fighting the Jewish weaponizing of racism against whites by catching the grenade and throwing it right back.

    If you truly were opposed to SJWs as you claim, you’d understand McDonald is an essential part of the process of fighting them – if you’re only interested in maintaining your tribes privilege, then I can see why you’d oppose McDonald. Anyone capable of thinking beyond tribal self interest and seeing the larger picture would find it unobjectionable that his tribe is accused of being as racist as anyone – only by desiring to weaponize racism against others would there be the least objection.

    Your agonized “concern” over SJWs is not sounding overly sincere.

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  • I am less interested in the content of the back-and-forth of the Cofnas/MacDonald exchange than in the scientistic approach they both share.
    As a positivist, Cofnas ostentatiously wields Occam’s razor. I don’t see how parsimony is better than Einstein’s rejection of it in his famous observation than an explanation should be as simple as possible but not simpler. Whether C of C is adequately parsimonious or not, the book includes a richness of valuable detail that a rigidly parsimonious account would leave out. I don’t know whether the greater emphasis on parsimony as opposed to comprehensiveness that I take to be chracteristic of contemporary positivism is necessary to positivism itself or a historical accident, due to its energence in opposition to Christian accounts that required divine agency. As MacDonald’s evolutionary theory never adverts to supernatural forces or any other extraneous elements, it seems to me that Cofnas’s objections on this ground are inapposite.
    MacDonald advances his work as the description of an evolutionary strategy, either actually or apparently invoking a Darwinian naturalism. It is hard for me to square such a conception with moral critique. Criticism of Jews under Darwinian metaphysics seems no more appropriate than the disapproval of the animals in a documentary featuring lions, hyenas, and wildebeests. Like other “social scientists,” Macdonald strains to force a completely detached perspective onto a topic to which it doesn’t apply, namely the fate of his people. We do not deal here with the issue of whether a particular enzyme promotes or inhibits the growth of the slime mold. The attempt to affect the detachment appropriate to that issue to the topic of this exchange does worse than dictate a strained antirhetoric. Scientism has done more to damage the white race than Jews ever could, by demoralizing it in both senses of that word. Scientism has cast the West and the white race adrift in a metaphysics of random meaninglessness, light years away from a port of call.

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    False. The West and the western European race have not been cast light years away from a port of call. Honest scientific investigation of individual and collective behaviors would treat each individual and collective in a dispassionate, objective manner. Instead, we now observe a community of investigators that not only ignores the potential and very interesting question that a minority group may implement strategies to its own benefit and possible detriment of the host group, but the community also actively discourages such investigation, using arguments that such investigation is pernicious, previously discredited, and counters the primary objectives of social research.

    A primary point of the "discredited" research is to call attention to a rebuttable presumption that the very characteristics, strategies, and beliefs that have worked well for many European tribes heretofore, especially the pioneer tribes, may be mortally compromised by a collective strategy that works to offset the strengths of the former. For instance, pioneer peoples tend to be generous and inclusive, strategies that work well in an inhospitable, lightly populated environment where every active hand is welcomed. Not so much when their predisposal to open acceptance is turned on them in the form of a moral mandate to welcome large numbers of strangers, many who are hostile to the natives, into their land.

    Another example. Pioneer types are accustomed to judge a man or an idea on its merits, using all available information, and without unsolicited advice from a self-selected moral authority. In modern America this logic has been replaced by institutional vetting of the merit of men and ideas by the clerisy. This change has been implemented at all levels, from lengthy applications required for entry level employment, to the relentless request for credentials and moral purity required for personal or ideological advance in received society. The demand for moral and ideological purity is largely artificial, meaningless, and almost certainly inefficient. Its primary function appears to be that it serves as an entry barrier to those who are not concerned with the agenda of the clerisy. The free transfer of information that is so vital to pioneer societies has been replaced by rigorous censorship, so that only "useful" information is available.

    Perhaps this only marks the steady and inevitable progress of human society from the pioneer to the decadent. Perhaps not.
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  • @AaronB
    That's all very impressive stream of consciousness, but what do you think about my simple idea that in principle, Jewish group behavior can exhibit features similar to Spanish group behavior in the Americas, or English group behavior in India?

    I think I'm being perfectly reasonable here, but I'm starting to lose hope you'll ever answer my very simple question...

    And Tyrion, what did we say about you pretending not to address me directly?

    You will feel better once you get rid of your silly notion that we're "against Jews" , whatever that means. I appreciate lots of things about Jews, we just want to bring you down to earth and back into the human race. It's not so bad where we humans dwell.

    As someone who believes in natural cycles, I dont actually advocate that anything be "done" about the Jewish grip on power. Like all phenomena, it will have its natural rise and fall, and is already in the process of destroying itself through extreme overreach, loss of tactical flexibility, and increasing laziness and stupidity, as evidenced by Cofnas and several commenters on this site.

    When that happens, you Jews will be happier and better adjusted, and can even begin enjoying yourselves for once. It will be a massive release of strain and pressure.

    That’s all very impressive stream of consciousness, but what do you think about my simple idea that in principle, Jewish group behavior can exhibit features similar to Spanish group behavior in the Americas, or English group behavior in India?

    These “Spanish” and “English” groups included a large percentage of Jews (in the case of the “Spanish”) and were engaged in empire-building (in both cases) largely due to Jewish actions and interests.

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  • @AaronB
    Excellent, now we're getting somewhere.

    Since men have been known to rape, if there's an epidemic of rapes in America it's not insane to think that American men are the culprits.

    Similarly, since human groups are known to occasionally act in extraordinarily selfish and ethnocentric ways to advance themselves, when we see Jews in America gain wealth and power far beyond what their IQ can explain, and dominate all movements that weaken local culture and elevate their own status, it's perfectly reasonable to investigate whether this is yet another example of human groups advancing themselves at the expense of other groups.

    Excellent!

    Similarly, since human groups are known to occasionally act in extraordinarily selfish and ethnocentric ways to advance themselves, when we see white people in the world gain wealth and power far beyond what their IQ can explain, and dominate all movements that weaken local culture and elevate their own status, it’s perfectly reasonable to investigate whether this is yet another example of human groups advancing themselves at the expense of other groups

    Yes, this is exactly how SJWs establish ‘white privilege’, ‘institutional racism’ and an ideology that results in the open and boastful discrimination against white men by all major instutions in Western countries.

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  • As for whether I agree with Mcdonald, I largely regard evolutionary biology as incoherent – the mechanism is clearly cultural.

    So I don’t think Jews have genetically evolved to act this way, but are subjected to an extraordinarily powerful system of cultural conditioning, which I am personally acquainted with, to act this way, and that ultimately derives from Judaism, but that may be moderated as historically has happened with other groups with similar ideas.

    There is every chance Jews will moderate their aggressive hostility and mellow out a bit after the collapse of their current regime, much like the Japanese, the Germans, or the Muslims did after an aggressively hostile phase. Aggressive phases alternate with mellow phases.

    However, Judaism will always contain within itself the seed of hostile aggression to outsiders – but if history is any guide, it may well lay dormant for long periods.

    And individual Jews are not generically fated to anything.

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    Evolutionary PSYSCHOLOGY, Aaron, not evolutionary biology!
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  • @Lot

    so they gotta grab for argumentum ad hominem
     
    I am simply performing the same examination of the motivation MacDonald has for his ideology that he purports to perform on, I suppose, me.

    KMac: You believe X because of group evolutionary strategy of societal destruction.

    Lot: You believe X because of personal failures.

    Could you explain why one is ad hominem and the other isn't?

    “I, and the rest of the Jewish Internet Defense Force, who work tirelessly to defend The Tribe and steer the dissident right toward Jewish interests, are living proof that the dissident right are nobodies.”
     

    I have been following Steve Sailer's blog and writing since about 2001. When he moved here, I started trolling the various anti-Semites Unz promotes when I had some free time.

    I have posted specific facts and reasons why rightist anti-semitism in the USA is utterly harmless and ineffective, such as polls showing the right is extremely and increasingly philosemitic. You have never attempted to refute this, nor could you.

    If I cared to combat anti-semitism (I don't, rather I just like being right on the Internet, same as you), I would not be here, but on high traffic left-wing wing blogs, or doing op-eds. Or even more effectively, working my day job and using those earnings to fund college Hasbaras.

    In fact, you quite well know I am right, and that MacDonald and neonazis are paleoconservatives' own embarrassment, akin to the New Black Panthers, Westboro Bapstist, the half-dozen Maoists who sometimes show up at left wing events, etc.

    KMac: You believe X because of group evolutionary strategy of societal destruction.

    Lot: You believe X because of personal failures.

    Could you explain why one is ad hominem and the other isn’t?

    Could you learn what ad hominem is? Neither of those things is ad hominem.

    Instead, we have Lot accusing KMac of saying something nowhere close to anything he has ever said, followed by Lot saying something else completely asinine. Great job, pal!

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  • As for your “3 points”, Tyrion – they do not all have to be true, far from it.

    1) Jews don’t have to be “uniquely selfish”. They merely have to be “as” selfish as, say, the Spanish in America, or the British in India or China.

    Not that there’s anything inherently illegitimate about suggesting one group may be “uniquely selfish”.

    2) No one is suggesting Jews are “entirely” selfish. They are no doubt nice to their moms, and even to gentiles if it doesn’t conflict with their interests. This one was weird.

    3) Left wing causes may be harmful to Jews in some ways, but if they have clear benefits in other ways it’s easy to see how it may be a strategy worth pursuing. Strategies involve tradeoffs. The mere fact that in some of their consequences left wing causes dont benefit Jews means little. Jews may even be willing to suffer short term consequences for long term gains. Emotional satisfaction may also play a role.

    In any case, the hypocrisy of Jews who exempt Israel from their left wing causes clinches the case, as well as the many quotes Mcdonald has collected where Jews explicitly reference ethnic animus as part of their motivation.

    So that’s that.

    I’m shocked at how bad and insane you are Tyrion to make such dishonest points in order to defend your Jewish privilege!

    Why be so bad and insane?

    Anyone who says the things you do, is, be definition, bad and insane. And I for one am outraged.

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  • @Tyrion 2

    any suggestion that Jewish group behavior in the West is characterized by hostile ethnic interests as automatically insane and racist.
     
    It is automatically insane and racist though, given that we live in an actual world and not your random hypothetical.

    I don't know if you are being disingenuous or if you are not too bright as your argument is akin to:

    1. Men have, in certain extreme scenarios, seen rape as perfectly fine behaviour.

    2. American men are men.

    Therefore, there is nothing insane about alleging that American men are engaged in a group conspiracy to rape all women.

    Excellent, now we’re getting somewhere.

    Since men have been known to rape, if there’s an epidemic of rapes in America it’s not insane to think that American men are the culprits.

    Similarly, since human groups are known to occasionally act in extraordinarily selfish and ethnocentric ways to advance themselves, when we see Jews in America gain wealth and power far beyond what their IQ can explain, and dominate all movements that weaken local culture and elevate their own status, it’s perfectly reasonable to investigate whether this is yet another example of human groups advancing themselves at the expense of other groups.

    Excellent!

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    Similarly, since human groups are known to occasionally act in extraordinarily selfish and ethnocentric ways to advance themselves, when we see white people in the world gain wealth and power far beyond what their IQ can explain, and dominate all movements that weaken local culture and elevate their own status, it’s perfectly reasonable to investigate whether this is yet another example of human groups advancing themselves at the expense of other groups
     
    Yes, this is exactly how SJWs establish 'white privilege', 'institutional racism' and an ideology that results in the open and boastful discrimination against white men by all major instutions in Western countries.
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  • @Lot

    MacDonald’s basic thesis (which he substantiates persuasively) is that numerous intellectual movements over the past century that have been spearheaded and supported by prominent Jews in the West,
     
    That has never been seriously disputed

    have carried with them a covert underside designed to advance Jewish interests
     
    Not a real scientific theory because it is not falsifiable. "No evidence that X was to advance Jewish interests, and if fact never actually did so? Doesn't matter, I said they were 'covertly designed!"

    Also, as Cofnas notes, every non-anti-semitic intellectual movement in the West is heavily Jewish, from Communism to Austrian school economics. Not to mention things like chess, computer programming, and theoretical physics that have little to nothing to do with politics.

    You also left out the big issue: the specific scientific claim that Jewish intellectuals are motivated by genes honed in "group evolution." No actual evolutionary biologist, including those well outside the grasp of the PC police or who just don't care, takes this seriously. The math on "group selection" just doesn't add up.

    Speech codes cannot stop their spread.
     
    Actually they can, but are not needed here, nor are they right as a matter of principle. But if you want to harm free speech and see it restricted, abusing your rights in obnoxious ways is the best way to do so.

    Also, as Cofnas notes, every non-anti-semitic intellectual movement in the West is heavily Jewish, from Communism to Austrian school economics. Not to mention things like chess, computer programming, and theoretical physics that have little to nothing to do with politics.

    And? Why are you telling us this?

    You also left out the big issue: the specific scientific claim that Jewish intellectuals are motivated by genes honed in “group evolution.”

    There is no such claim.

    No actual evolutionary biologist, including those well outside the grasp of the PC police or who just don’t care, takes this seriously. The math on “group selection” just doesn’t add up.

    You are ludicrously ignorant of the concept of group selection. Literally every example of what YOU conceive of as “individual selection” is in fact an instance of group selection. Read pages 87-98 of Wilson’s “Unto Others”. One needs no knowledge of math to grasp this fact.

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  • MacDonald’s basic thesis (which he substantiates persuasively) is that numerous intellectual movements over the past century that have been spearheaded and supported by prominent Jews in the West, have carried with them a covert underside designed to advance Jewish interests–often at the expense of host cultures.

    The thesis was more specific in the third book of his trilogy. i.e., that the movements were designed to dissolve (or prevent the formation of) gentile groups capable of competing against the Jewish group.

    Book 1: A Jewish group coalesced and pursued a group strategy.

    Book 2: Ceteris paribus, group strategies outcompete individualist strategies. In some historical instances, Europeans developed group strategies to compete with the Jewish group.

    Book 3: A number of Jewish intellectual and political movements of the 20th century were designed to prevent European-derived peoples from developing or using group strategies to compete with the Jewish group.

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  • @Lot
    MacDonald likes to think of himself as concerned with the fate of American whites, but in fact he and his Nazi buddies are completely rejected by the vast majority of the center and far right in the USA, who are the most profound supporters in the entire world of their Jewish brothers in both the USA and the Holy Land.

    The actual practical consequence of MacDonald and his fellow travelers is that they allow the globalist media to falsely portray American immigration patriots as anti-Semites. They are a millstone around our necks, providing motivation and money to our enemies and embarrassing our supporters with their antics.

    As evidence of this, have Richard Spencer, David Duke, etc EVER got as much media attention as in late 2016? It was one MSM profile interview after another. They helpfully played the exact role the media wanted for them. Spencer even got a Hitler Youth haircut and lied about knowing Stephen Miller to help smear Trump and sideline Miller within the administration. Then he did his absurd lugenpresse and "Hail Trump Hail Victory" event to feed the media's early attempt to derail Trump after he won.

    Given that MacDonald et al strike me as sincere, how on earth to they live with themselves knowing all the damage they cause? At least the Westboro Baptist people, who play a similar role as the media's pet used to smear Christian Conservatives, show signs of just knowing they are engaged in a venal scam. I think the antisemites just are just childish attention addicts, aware of the harm they are causing to actual, effective American nationalists, but unable to stop themselves.

    As consolation, we are fortunate the left the same problem, but worse. We really just have the Nazis and the Westboro type groups to embarrass us, who are tiny in number. The number of media-whoring left wing groups who embarrass the Democrats and drive away their voters is a lot more numerous, from a million idiot professors like Ward Churchill to the New Black Panthers to myriad angry trannies to the Burqa Brigade.

    That was a whole of stupid commentary that had absolutely nothing to do with MacDonald’s books.

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  • @Bardon Kaldian
    I don't see much new in Kevin MacDonald's response to Confas' critique (which is, by the way, too limited & ahistorical). MacDonald has just re-iterated his old claims:

    * Jews "follow group evolutionary strategy". He didn't prove that such a strategy exists at all, apart from a trivial observation that any human collective wants to preserve its identity & to thrive. No "strategy" in such a behavior.

    * also, the author's description of "Jewish movements" is non-verifiable & actually difficult to describe. From what I know of Marxism, psychoanalysis or Leninism- these were not "Jewish" movements, neither in intellectual genesis nor with regard to their proponents.
    What about other intellectual currents, prominent in 20th & 21st C? Do these movements or cultural currents qualify as "Jewish": anarchism, free-love leftism, Expressionism, Cubism, Dadaism, German phenomenology in philosophy, cultural critique (Derrida & Foucault following Heidegger), New Left with its post-1968 ideology, multiculturalism as ideology, Jungian archetypal psychology, New Age ideologies, radical Feminism, "New Atheism", evolutionary psychology, sociobiology, various schools of economics (Austrian, Chicago,..), structuralism in humanities, ..?
    I know next to nothing on Boasian anthropology, but I do know quite a lot about Communism & various branches of psychoanalysis, and I don't see how one can show these movement are "Jewish" in origin or history? For instance, except for being Austrian Jew, what is "Jewish" in early, Freudian variant of psychoanalysis? This "school" was a product of German culture during fin de siecle & the general knowledge of psychiatry during these times. What is "Jewish" in its structure, values or general trend, in its goals, or in its map of human psyche?

    * what about areas where ethnic Jews are over-represented in 20th & 21st fields: theoretical physics, all branches of mathematics, chess masters, computer science, violin virtuosi, philanthropists in arts & curators of museums, film directors & producers, ..? Are these areas somehow driven by Jewish interests, whether conscious or not? How can we ascertain this?

    Although I admire MacDonald's work in demolition of maudlin myth the core American Jewish community has over time built about it (eternal victims & universal humanitarians), I don't see his work as dispassionate analysis that would be close to even such a non-exact "science" as evolutionary psychology claims to be. With its broad sweep of generalizations, MacDonald's work on historical traits of Judaism (as culture) is not unlike other historiosophies, similar to St. Augustine, Gioacchino da Fiore, Hegel, Marx or Spengler.

    There are insights in these works- but they are basically an imaginative construction, not more.

    That said, I am sorry MacDonald's work had been basically ignored in academic community. In my opinion, not due to Jewish grip on intellectual discourse, but to dumbification of academia- there is not such thing as intellectual discourse anymore.

    Jews “follow group evolutionary strategy”. He didn’t prove that such a strategy exists at all, apart from a trivial observation that any human collective wants to preserve its identity & to thrive. No “strategy” in such a behavior.

    Acknowledgment of the Jewish group strategy is commonplace in Jewish writing. For instance, Dennis Praeger emphasizes this fact in “Why the Jews?”.

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  • @Bardon Kaldian
    I don't see much new in Kevin MacDonald's response to Confas' critique (which is, by the way, too limited & ahistorical). MacDonald has just re-iterated his old claims:

    * Jews "follow group evolutionary strategy". He didn't prove that such a strategy exists at all, apart from a trivial observation that any human collective wants to preserve its identity & to thrive. No "strategy" in such a behavior.

    * also, the author's description of "Jewish movements" is non-verifiable & actually difficult to describe. From what I know of Marxism, psychoanalysis or Leninism- these were not "Jewish" movements, neither in intellectual genesis nor with regard to their proponents.
    What about other intellectual currents, prominent in 20th & 21st C? Do these movements or cultural currents qualify as "Jewish": anarchism, free-love leftism, Expressionism, Cubism, Dadaism, German phenomenology in philosophy, cultural critique (Derrida & Foucault following Heidegger), New Left with its post-1968 ideology, multiculturalism as ideology, Jungian archetypal psychology, New Age ideologies, radical Feminism, "New Atheism", evolutionary psychology, sociobiology, various schools of economics (Austrian, Chicago,..), structuralism in humanities, ..?
    I know next to nothing on Boasian anthropology, but I do know quite a lot about Communism & various branches of psychoanalysis, and I don't see how one can show these movement are "Jewish" in origin or history? For instance, except for being Austrian Jew, what is "Jewish" in early, Freudian variant of psychoanalysis? This "school" was a product of German culture during fin de siecle & the general knowledge of psychiatry during these times. What is "Jewish" in its structure, values or general trend, in its goals, or in its map of human psyche?

    * what about areas where ethnic Jews are over-represented in 20th & 21st fields: theoretical physics, all branches of mathematics, chess masters, computer science, violin virtuosi, philanthropists in arts & curators of museums, film directors & producers, ..? Are these areas somehow driven by Jewish interests, whether conscious or not? How can we ascertain this?

    Although I admire MacDonald's work in demolition of maudlin myth the core American Jewish community has over time built about it (eternal victims & universal humanitarians), I don't see his work as dispassionate analysis that would be close to even such a non-exact "science" as evolutionary psychology claims to be. With its broad sweep of generalizations, MacDonald's work on historical traits of Judaism (as culture) is not unlike other historiosophies, similar to St. Augustine, Gioacchino da Fiore, Hegel, Marx or Spengler.

    There are insights in these works- but they are basically an imaginative construction, not more.

    That said, I am sorry MacDonald's work had been basically ignored in academic community. In my opinion, not due to Jewish grip on intellectual discourse, but to dumbification of academia- there is not such thing as intellectual discourse anymore.

    It doesn’t really look like you’ve read the books.

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  • @AaronB

    It is true but irrelevant. It is banal.
     
    Well I'm impressed. You rose to the challenge and did the right thing.

    And I agree, it is so stupendously banal a truth that it astonishes me that so many Jews will deny it by claiming that any suggestion that Jewish group behavior in the West is characterized by hostile ethnic interests as automatically insane and racist.

    And yet many do. I'm glad you're no longer one of them.

    It may be correct, or not - but it is certainly well within the realm of recognized human conduct, and a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion.

    By admitting this, you've helped your cause and elevated yourself in the eyes of everyone here.

    And Tyrion, you know very well I'm not a troll. Growing up among Jews and still friends with many, God forbid that I should hate you - I want nothing more than to rehabilitate you. I know only too well the "melancholy of the Jew".

    Also, what makes you think my post was a reply to you?
     
    You ain't fooling no one :)

    any suggestion that Jewish group behavior in the West is characterized by hostile ethnic interests as automatically insane and racist.

    It is automatically insane and racist though, given that we live in an actual world and not your random hypothetical.

    I don’t know if you are being disingenuous or if you are not too bright as your argument is akin to:

    1. Men have, in certain extreme scenarios, seen rape as perfectly fine behaviour.

    2. American men are men.

    Therefore, there is nothing insane about alleging that American men are engaged in a group conspiracy to rape all women.

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    Excellent, now we're getting somewhere.

    Since men have been known to rape, if there's an epidemic of rapes in America it's not insane to think that American men are the culprits.

    Similarly, since human groups are known to occasionally act in extraordinarily selfish and ethnocentric ways to advance themselves, when we see Jews in America gain wealth and power far beyond what their IQ can explain, and dominate all movements that weaken local culture and elevate their own status, it's perfectly reasonable to investigate whether this is yet another example of human groups advancing themselves at the expense of other groups.

    Excellent!
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  • @Neil Templeton
    "These are pretty basic observations. To counter them on this site commenters have to posit that Jews are extraordinarily ethno-centric, that Jews are uniquely selfish and that somehow leftist causes exactly mirror Jewish interests even when they obviously don’t."

    OK, I'll comment. 1) Jews may not be extraordinarily ethno-centric, relative to other collectivist oriented societies, but they are more collectivist than many if not most Western European ethnic groups, especially the pioneer tribes like the Crackers that prize individualism highly. This doesn't mean that no Jews are individualist, or that all Western Europeans are individualist, but it does mean that a fair share of Jewish political activity in America is cooked in a collectivist kettle. Because a fair number of Americans are raised within an individualist narrative, this inspires distrust of Jews.

    2) I'm not sure what you mean by "uniquely selfish." I would speculate that because many Americans are strongly individualist, and accustomed to living without a great deal of company under trying circumstances, they may be more generous and altruistic on a limited basis than Jews (or any other peoples adapted to living under crowded, chaotic conditions with many unrelated and potentially hostile neighbors). Here the noble virtues of generosity and self-sacrifice may also play a part in differential behaviors.

    3) Leftist causes do not always mirror Jewish causes. Obviously the current Leftist infatuation with multi-culturalism does not mirror the Israeli infatuation with the survival of the Jewish Homeland. So what? Leftism in America over the past 100 years or more has relied heavily, almost exclusively, on a collectivist strategy to attain its goals. Marches, opinions signed by dozens of professors or other "experts", arguments that cite to the popularity of the proposal with all the right thinkers, skewed opinion polls, etc. So much so that it appears that the true end goal is to eradicate the individualists.

    Which makes perfect sense. Because individualists cleared the ground and settled the space so that the collectivists could enter and exploit wonderful new opportunities. That was then and this is not. They were needed once, now it is time for them to go .

    Jews have “solved” the problem of hyper individualistic competition while still maintaining a collective identity at the end of the day. Liberal democratic capitalism pace Slezkine has tried the “Jewish” model for all and it is clearly failing, but it still seems to be working for the Jews.

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  • The whole point of my post was that for old MacDonald to be right, those three conditions had to be true. You agree that they’re not, ergo you disagree with old MacDonald.

    Whether Jewish immigrants have historically been less individualist in terms of libertarian politics than the most historically individualist group in the world – Anglo-Saxons – is totally off point.

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  • @Tyrion 2
    By 'borderline' I meant reminiscent of someone with Borderline Personality Disorder.

    Naturally, that includes 'splitting' which you confuse for merely 'extreme'.

    As for the sophistry you followed your misunderstanding up with, you'll find that it has no relation to the post you intially objected to. Indeed, your own current sophistry rejects your objection to my post.

    I have bolded the most important point for your simpler comprehension.

    A. Leftist causes often run counter to ‘Jewish interests’.

    B. Each individual Jew’s self-interest is only somewhat defined by their Judaism.

    C. No individual is entirely selfish.

    These are pretty basic observations. To counter them on this site commenters have to posit that Jews are extraordinarily ethno-centric, that Jews are uniquely selfish and that somehow leftist causes exactly mirror Jewish interests even when they obviously don’t.

    None of these have any particular evidence to them. Two of them essentially define Jews as less than human and the other results in the most absurd logical contortions and conspiracy theorising.

    Holding such beliefs literally makes you bad and stupid
    .

    “These are pretty basic observations. To counter them on this site commenters have to posit that Jews are extraordinarily ethno-centric, that Jews are uniquely selfish and that somehow leftist causes exactly mirror Jewish interests even when they obviously don’t.”

    OK, I’ll comment. 1) Jews may not be extraordinarily ethno-centric, relative to other collectivist oriented societies, but they are more collectivist than many if not most Western European ethnic groups, especially the pioneer tribes like the Crackers that prize individualism highly. This doesn’t mean that no Jews are individualist, or that all Western Europeans are individualist, but it does mean that a fair share of Jewish political activity in America is cooked in a collectivist kettle. Because a fair number of Americans are raised within an individualist narrative, this inspires distrust of Jews.

    2) I’m not sure what you mean by “uniquely selfish.” I would speculate that because many Americans are strongly individualist, and accustomed to living without a great deal of company under trying circumstances, they may be more generous and altruistic on a limited basis than Jews (or any other peoples adapted to living under crowded, chaotic conditions with many unrelated and potentially hostile neighbors). Here the noble virtues of generosity and self-sacrifice may also play a part in differential behaviors.

    3) Leftist causes do not always mirror Jewish causes. Obviously the current Leftist infatuation with multi-culturalism does not mirror the Israeli infatuation with the survival of the Jewish Homeland. So what? Leftism in America over the past 100 years or more has relied heavily, almost exclusively, on a collectivist strategy to attain its goals. Marches, opinions signed by dozens of professors or other “experts”, arguments that cite to the popularity of the proposal with all the right thinkers, skewed opinion polls, etc. So much so that it appears that the true end goal is to eradicate the individualists.

    Which makes perfect sense. Because individualists cleared the ground and settled the space so that the collectivists could enter and exploit wonderful new opportunities. That was then and this is not. They were needed once, now it is time for them to go .

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    Jews have "solved" the problem of hyper individualistic competition while still maintaining a collective identity at the end of the day. Liberal democratic capitalism pace Slezkine has tried the “Jewish” model for all and it is clearly failing, but it still seems to be working for the Jews.
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  • @Tyrion 2

    That’s all very impressive stream of consciousness, but what do you think about my simple idea that in principle, Jewish group behavior can exhibit features similar to Spanish group behavior in the Americas, or English group behavior in India?
     
    It is true but irrelevant. It is banal.

    The rest of your post might be the most cringeworthy thing I've read in months. It reads like a satire of an SJW.

    I have to assume you are a troll. Ypur effort is too on the nose even by the meagre standards of the crazier commenters at this site.

    Also, what makes you think my post was a reply to you?

    It is true but irrelevant. It is banal.

    Well I’m impressed. You rose to the challenge and did the right thing.

    And I agree, it is so stupendously banal a truth that it astonishes me that so many Jews will deny it by claiming that any suggestion that Jewish group behavior in the West is characterized by hostile ethnic interests as automatically insane and racist.

    And yet many do. I’m glad you’re no longer one of them.

    It may be correct, or not – but it is certainly well within the realm of recognized human conduct, and a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion.

    By admitting this, you’ve helped your cause and elevated yourself in the eyes of everyone here.

    And Tyrion, you know very well I’m not a troll. Growing up among Jews and still friends with many, God forbid that I should hate you – I want nothing more than to rehabilitate you. I know only too well the “melancholy of the Jew”.

    Also, what makes you think my post was a reply to you?

    You ain’t fooling no one :)

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    any suggestion that Jewish group behavior in the West is characterized by hostile ethnic interests as automatically insane and racist.
     
    It is automatically insane and racist though, given that we live in an actual world and not your random hypothetical.

    I don't know if you are being disingenuous or if you are not too bright as your argument is akin to:

    1. Men have, in certain extreme scenarios, seen rape as perfectly fine behaviour.

    2. American men are men.

    Therefore, there is nothing insane about alleging that American men are engaged in a group conspiracy to rape all women.
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  • @AaronB
    That's all very impressive stream of consciousness, but what do you think about my simple idea that in principle, Jewish group behavior can exhibit features similar to Spanish group behavior in the Americas, or English group behavior in India?

    I think I'm being perfectly reasonable here, but I'm starting to lose hope you'll ever answer my very simple question...

    And Tyrion, what did we say about you pretending not to address me directly?

    You will feel better once you get rid of your silly notion that we're "against Jews" , whatever that means. I appreciate lots of things about Jews, we just want to bring you down to earth and back into the human race. It's not so bad where we humans dwell.

    As someone who believes in natural cycles, I dont actually advocate that anything be "done" about the Jewish grip on power. Like all phenomena, it will have its natural rise and fall, and is already in the process of destroying itself through extreme overreach, loss of tactical flexibility, and increasing laziness and stupidity, as evidenced by Cofnas and several commenters on this site.

    When that happens, you Jews will be happier and better adjusted, and can even begin enjoying yourselves for once. It will be a massive release of strain and pressure.

    That’s all very impressive stream of consciousness, but what do you think about my simple idea that in principle, Jewish group behavior can exhibit features similar to Spanish group behavior in the Americas, or English group behavior in India?

    It is true but irrelevant. It is banal.

    The rest of your post might be the most cringeworthy thing I’ve read in months. It reads like a satire of an SJW.

    I have to assume you are a troll. Ypur effort is too on the nose even by the meagre standards of the crazier commenters at this site.

    Also, what makes you think my post was a reply to you?

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    It is true but irrelevant. It is banal.
     
    Well I'm impressed. You rose to the challenge and did the right thing.

    And I agree, it is so stupendously banal a truth that it astonishes me that so many Jews will deny it by claiming that any suggestion that Jewish group behavior in the West is characterized by hostile ethnic interests as automatically insane and racist.

    And yet many do. I'm glad you're no longer one of them.

    It may be correct, or not - but it is certainly well within the realm of recognized human conduct, and a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion.

    By admitting this, you've helped your cause and elevated yourself in the eyes of everyone here.

    And Tyrion, you know very well I'm not a troll. Growing up among Jews and still friends with many, God forbid that I should hate you - I want nothing more than to rehabilitate you. I know only too well the "melancholy of the Jew".

    Also, what makes you think my post was a reply to you?
     
    You ain't fooling no one :)
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  • It is quite obvious that IQ tests do not test intellectual ability but rather intellectual achievement. So by calling them “intelligence” tests as if they test an innate or even genetic level of intellectual ability is a mistake.

    Another mistake is the notion that genes plays an inherent part of intellectual ability. While persons with syndromes of various types which affect the brain negatively (Downs Syndrome), or certain physical ailments which cause people to live sedentary lifestyles which increases intellectual activity, causing either a direct genetic cause (the former) or indirect genetic cause (the latter)–what is not proven is there being positive direct genetic factors increasing intellectual ability based on those genetic differences. The genetic differences in people is limited to shape, color, size, and so on–of a physical form. For an average person in any race the genetic differences do not correlate to the mind, which is in fact not the same as the brain, being non-material and therefore beyond genetics.

    The mind is not material, genetics are material, i.e., made of matter, cells, and so on. These are two different things that are related, but in the sense that a radio is related to the sound coming from it. The source of the sound is not the radio, but the radio is needed to hear it, and if the radio is broken to whatever degree it will affect the sound. The brain is like a radio, the mind is the sound, literally. The mind is thought-sound, that is all it is. You hear the mind but you do control or create thought. If you think you do, try to explain how to create a thought, or how to force a memory to appear. You can explain neither, this is because the mind is not not what most people think it is. Thoughts are not under your control. Try to explain how to create a thought…..go ahead.

    You simply cannot. No human one can. Thoughts are not caused by us, thoughts happen to us. Thoughts and memory are the basis for the intellect, neither of which we control. Intellect is outside of our control. Thoughts are Caused by Something Else Entirely.

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  • @Tyrion 2
    Society literally holds that white people – white privilege, institutional racism – are engaged in a systematic conspiracy to hobble other groups. Whether this is white people’s conscious planning or insidious subconscious, it doesn’t matter.

    This results in collective guilt and rationalises punishment of every type.

    There are a bunch of riffs off this that include men as guilty and patriarchy as the conspiracy and so on.

    These types of blood libels are also always imagined to have existed for centuries and to be motivated by a hidden hatred. They have a tendency to attract the crazy and to spiral into fully eliminationist rhetoric or even action.

    There’s almost no reasoning with them. All evidence ends up confirming the theory to the conspiracist.

    Point out that every major corporation openly boasts of discriminating in favour of ‘people of colour’ and you’ll be told that is the type of smokescreen people only put up when they are actively engaged in the opposite.

    Point out that men commit suicide at far higher rates than women and be told that is ‘toxic masculinity’ which is part of the patriarchy.

    They’ll also flip from saying that you’re to blame, to saying that they’re actually trying to help you.

    They’ll have exhaustive lists of out of context quotes, ancient quotes, quotes from nobodies or even wholly fake quotes from whatever group they want to demonise.

    They’ll say their peaceful, benign, even the victims while engaging in rhetoric that logically implies you should all be killed, or crushed or exiled or just humiliated on a daily basis.

    In reality, they’re nihilists whose hearts are as empty as their beliefs. The theory is an externalisation of their own inadequacy. They’re pathetic people who are a blight on the modern age.

    And against a nihilist, your only redoubt is the truth. Your hope is that at some point while thrashing about in the sludge of their own wretched feelings, they happen upon something solid or they take your hand and slowly but surely raise themselves onto the land where they can begin to walk for the first time on solid ground, in the light and upright.

    That’s all very impressive stream of consciousness, but what do you think about my simple idea that in principle, Jewish group behavior can exhibit features similar to Spanish group behavior in the Americas, or English group behavior in India?

    I think I’m being perfectly reasonable here, but I’m starting to lose hope you’ll ever answer my very simple question…

    And Tyrion, what did we say about you pretending not to address me directly?

    You will feel better once you get rid of your silly notion that we’re “against Jews” , whatever that means. I appreciate lots of things about Jews, we just want to bring you down to earth and back into the human race. It’s not so bad where we humans dwell.

    As someone who believes in natural cycles, I dont actually advocate that anything be “done” about the Jewish grip on power. Like all phenomena, it will have its natural rise and fall, and is already in the process of destroying itself through extreme overreach, loss of tactical flexibility, and increasing laziness and stupidity, as evidenced by Cofnas and several commenters on this site.

    When that happens, you Jews will be happier and better adjusted, and can even begin enjoying yourselves for once. It will be a massive release of strain and pressure.

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    That’s all very impressive stream of consciousness, but what do you think about my simple idea that in principle, Jewish group behavior can exhibit features similar to Spanish group behavior in the Americas, or English group behavior in India?
     
    It is true but irrelevant. It is banal.

    The rest of your post might be the most cringeworthy thing I've read in months. It reads like a satire of an SJW.

    I have to assume you are a troll. Ypur effort is too on the nose even by the meagre standards of the crazier commenters at this site.

    Also, what makes you think my post was a reply to you?

    , @ben tillman

    That’s all very impressive stream of consciousness, but what do you think about my simple idea that in principle, Jewish group behavior can exhibit features similar to Spanish group behavior in the Americas, or English group behavior in India?
     
    These "Spanish" and "English" groups included a large percentage of Jews (in the case of the "Spanish") and were engaged in empire-building (in both cases) largely due to Jewish actions and interests.
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  • Society literally holds that white people – white privilege, institutional racism – are engaged in a systematic conspiracy to hobble other groups. Whether this is white people’s conscious planning or insidious subconscious, it doesn’t matter.

    This results in collective guilt and rationalises punishment of every type.

    There are a bunch of riffs off this that include men as guilty and patriarchy as the conspiracy and so on.

    These types of blood libels are also always imagined to have existed for centuries and to be motivated by a hidden hatred. They have a tendency to attract the crazy and to spiral into fully eliminationist rhetoric or even action.

    There’s almost no reasoning with them. All evidence ends up confirming the theory to the conspiracist.

    Point out that every major corporation openly boasts of discriminating in favour of ‘people of colour’ and you’ll be told that is the type of smokescreen people only put up when they are actively engaged in the opposite.

    Point out that men commit suicide at far higher rates than women and be told that is ‘toxic masculinity’ which is part of the patriarchy.

    They’ll also flip from saying that you’re to blame, to saying that they’re actually trying to help you.

    They’ll have exhaustive lists of out of context quotes, ancient quotes, quotes from nobodies or even wholly fake quotes from whatever group they want to demonise.

    They’ll say their peaceful, benign, even the victims while engaging in rhetoric that logically implies you should all be killed, or crushed or exiled or just humiliated on a daily basis.

    In reality, they’re nihilists whose hearts are as empty as their beliefs. The theory is an externalisation of their own inadequacy. They’re pathetic people who are a blight on the modern age.

    And against a nihilist, your only redoubt is the truth. Your hope is that at some point while thrashing about in the sludge of their own wretched feelings, they happen upon something solid or they take your hand and slowly but surely raise themselves onto the land where they can begin to walk for the first time on solid ground, in the light and upright.

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    That's all very impressive stream of consciousness, but what do you think about my simple idea that in principle, Jewish group behavior can exhibit features similar to Spanish group behavior in the Americas, or English group behavior in India?

    I think I'm being perfectly reasonable here, but I'm starting to lose hope you'll ever answer my very simple question...

    And Tyrion, what did we say about you pretending not to address me directly?

    You will feel better once you get rid of your silly notion that we're "against Jews" , whatever that means. I appreciate lots of things about Jews, we just want to bring you down to earth and back into the human race. It's not so bad where we humans dwell.

    As someone who believes in natural cycles, I dont actually advocate that anything be "done" about the Jewish grip on power. Like all phenomena, it will have its natural rise and fall, and is already in the process of destroying itself through extreme overreach, loss of tactical flexibility, and increasing laziness and stupidity, as evidenced by Cofnas and several commenters on this site.

    When that happens, you Jews will be happier and better adjusted, and can even begin enjoying yourselves for once. It will be a massive release of strain and pressure.
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  • @Anonymous

    no different in principle from that exhibited by any human group
     
    Man, that's a powerful argument and an exceptional display of verbal IQ. Surely, the goyim will be compelled to abandon all this Jew talk and move on to the latest Kim Kardashian wardrobe malfunction update. No wonder you were chosen.

    Step by step, my dear anonymous.

    Getting our good Jewish friend Tyrion here to exhibit minimum standards of sanity and admit so uncontroversial a notion that Jewish group behavior can exhibit flaws familiar from historical examples of non-Jewish group behavior would help establish minimum standard of common sense and rationality.

    Conversely, by refusing to admit that he’s exhibiting for everyone here to see that he’s just an angry Jewish supremacist trying to make a case for Jewish privilege…

    Somehow, our good Tyrion on doesn’t understand irony very well… :)

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  • @Tyrion 2
    By 'borderline' I meant reminiscent of someone with Borderline Personality Disorder.

    Naturally, that includes 'splitting' which you confuse for merely 'extreme'.

    As for the sophistry you followed your misunderstanding up with, you'll find that it has no relation to the post you intially objected to. Indeed, your own current sophistry rejects your objection to my post.

    I have bolded the most important point for your simpler comprehension.

    A. Leftist causes often run counter to ‘Jewish interests’.

    B. Each individual Jew’s self-interest is only somewhat defined by their Judaism.

    C. No individual is entirely selfish.

    These are pretty basic observations. To counter them on this site commenters have to posit that Jews are extraordinarily ethno-centric, that Jews are uniquely selfish and that somehow leftist causes exactly mirror Jewish interests even when they obviously don’t.

    None of these have any particular evidence to them. Two of them essentially define Jews as less than human and the other results in the most absurd logical contortions and conspiracy theorising.

    Holding such beliefs literally makes you bad and stupid
    .

    Very interesting, and worth discussing. You make some good points.

    They’d only be worth discussing, Tyrion, if you’re willing to admit – in principle – that Jews can actually have periods of “extraordinary ethnocentrism and unique selfishness”, much like other groups of humans have had.

    I’m not asking you to say they “are” having such a period – merely that, in principle, there is no reason why Jews can’t act as bad as, say, the Spanish in the Americas, allowing for different circumstances.

    What I’m hearing from you now is extreme Jewish exceptionalism, and a random bunch of bizarre non-sequiturs – yes, no one is entirely selfish.

    Well, if you’re capable of common sense moderation and very basic level of intellectual honesty, please demonstrate for all of us to see. The angry lashing out isn’t particularly impressive.

    You know, these arguments get tiresome unless we can establish a minimum baseline – and I think we can easily define such a minimum as including the perfectly non-controversial notion that Jewish group behavior can periodically be as selfish as, say, the Spanish in the Americas, or the British in India.

    If you can’t even unambiguously state that, then I’m afraid you’re doing nothing to detract from the commonly held suspicion on this site that you’re an irrational Jewish extremist….

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  • commenters have to posit that Jews are extraordinarily ethno-centric

    You can’t be more ethnocentric than having your own god that rules the whole universe.

    The proof of extraordinary ethnocentricity of Jews is in their existence. Jewish persistent existence is historical, sociological and possibly biological phenomenon. MacDonald’s books tried to explain this phenomenon in a modern lingo of evolutionary sociology, group game theory and so on.

    Where are the ethnocentric Germans, Poles, Finns, Lithuanians, Croats and many others in American society? Where did they go? Jews could have done the same. Their external phenotypes did not prevent them from exercising complete mimicry leading to eventual complete assimilation. But they did not opt for the complete assimilation. Where are German or Polish or Croat equivalents of ADL or AIPAC?

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    no different in principle from that exhibited by any human group

    Man, that’s a powerful argument and an exceptional display of verbal IQ. Surely, the goyim will be compelled to abandon all this Jew talk and move on to the latest Kim Kardashian wardrobe malfunction update. No wonder you were chosen.

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    Step by step, my dear anonymous.

    Getting our good Jewish friend Tyrion here to exhibit minimum standards of sanity and admit so uncontroversial a notion that Jewish group behavior can exhibit flaws familiar from historical examples of non-Jewish group behavior would help establish minimum standard of common sense and rationality.

    Conversely, by refusing to admit that he's exhibiting for everyone here to see that he's just an angry Jewish supremacist trying to make a case for Jewish privilege...

    Somehow, our good Tyrion on doesn't understand irony very well... :)

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  • @AaronB
    By borderline I think you mean "extreme".

    Well, historically different groups do fall into extremes - extremes of selfishness, extremes of power seeking. It's a natural cycle.

    By refusing to consider the possibility that Jews may have fallen into an extreme as part of a natural civilizational cycle you yourself are being extreme, and by arguing for Jewish exceptionalism you are ironically preparing the way for McDonald to advance his equally extreme thesis.

    If Jewish exceptionalism is a legitimate thesis, then exceptional Jewish depravity becomes easier to advance as a respectable thesis.

    Do you see how Jewish extremism in regard to whitewashing their self image has made it easier to hold extreme positions on Jewish depravity? It's the ironic law of unintended consequences. Extremes beget extremes.

    What I am proposing is a sensible middle ground - McDonald's thesis, while illuminating, should be rejected as too extreme. Similarly, the sensible middle ground bids us accept the possibility that Jews are as capable of falling into depraved extremes as any other group of people.

    Permanent, genetic Jewish perversity should be rejected - the flip side being that temporary, periodic Jewish depravity must be considered as likely as for any other group.

    As you know, I think Judaism elevated the principle of ego to an extreme - but other groups have come close, including the Japanese, the Germans (who got it from the Jews), the Chinese, the British, and even Islam. But each group displayed a capacity for moderating the impulse of self-interest for lengthy periods.

    So Tyrion, join hands with me and as sensible moderate men let us admit that extreme genetic Jewish depravity should be rejected in favor of periodic, recurring Jewish depravity - no different in principle from that exhibited by any human group.

    By ‘borderline’ I meant reminiscent of someone with Borderline Personality Disorder.

    Naturally, that includes ‘splitting’ which you confuse for merely ‘extreme’.

    As for the sophistry you followed your misunderstanding up with, you’ll find that it has no relation to the post you intially objected to. Indeed, your own current sophistry rejects your objection to my post.

    I have bolded the most important point for your simpler comprehension.

    A. Leftist causes often run counter to ‘Jewish interests’.

    B. Each individual Jew’s self-interest is only somewhat defined by their Judaism.

    C. No individual is entirely selfish.

    These are pretty basic observations. To counter them on this site commenters have to posit that Jews are extraordinarily ethno-centric, that Jews are uniquely selfish and that somehow leftist causes exactly mirror Jewish interests even when they obviously don’t.

    None of these have any particular evidence to them. Two of them essentially define Jews as less than human and the other results in the most absurd logical contortions and conspiracy theorising.

    Holding such beliefs literally makes you bad and stupid.

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    Very interesting, and worth discussing. You make some good points.

    They'd only be worth discussing, Tyrion, if you're willing to admit - in principle - that Jews can actually have periods of "extraordinary ethnocentrism and unique selfishness", much like other groups of humans have had.

    I'm not asking you to say they "are" having such a period - merely that, in principle, there is no reason why Jews can't act as bad as, say, the Spanish in the Americas, allowing for different circumstances.

    What I'm hearing from you now is extreme Jewish exceptionalism, and a random bunch of bizarre non-sequiturs - yes, no one is entirely selfish.

    Well, if you're capable of common sense moderation and very basic level of intellectual honesty, please demonstrate for all of us to see. The angry lashing out isn't particularly impressive.

    You know, these arguments get tiresome unless we can establish a minimum baseline - and I think we can easily define such a minimum as including the perfectly non-controversial notion that Jewish group behavior can periodically be as selfish as, say, the Spanish in the Americas, or the British in India.

    If you can't even unambiguously state that, then I'm afraid you're doing nothing to detract from the commonly held suspicion on this site that you're an irrational Jewish extremist....
    , @Neil Templeton
    "These are pretty basic observations. To counter them on this site commenters have to posit that Jews are extraordinarily ethno-centric, that Jews are uniquely selfish and that somehow leftist causes exactly mirror Jewish interests even when they obviously don’t."

    OK, I'll comment. 1) Jews may not be extraordinarily ethno-centric, relative to other collectivist oriented societies, but they are more collectivist than many if not most Western European ethnic groups, especially the pioneer tribes like the Crackers that prize individualism highly. This doesn't mean that no Jews are individualist, or that all Western Europeans are individualist, but it does mean that a fair share of Jewish political activity in America is cooked in a collectivist kettle. Because a fair number of Americans are raised within an individualist narrative, this inspires distrust of Jews.

    2) I'm not sure what you mean by "uniquely selfish." I would speculate that because many Americans are strongly individualist, and accustomed to living without a great deal of company under trying circumstances, they may be more generous and altruistic on a limited basis than Jews (or any other peoples adapted to living under crowded, chaotic conditions with many unrelated and potentially hostile neighbors). Here the noble virtues of generosity and self-sacrifice may also play a part in differential behaviors.

    3) Leftist causes do not always mirror Jewish causes. Obviously the current Leftist infatuation with multi-culturalism does not mirror the Israeli infatuation with the survival of the Jewish Homeland. So what? Leftism in America over the past 100 years or more has relied heavily, almost exclusively, on a collectivist strategy to attain its goals. Marches, opinions signed by dozens of professors or other "experts", arguments that cite to the popularity of the proposal with all the right thinkers, skewed opinion polls, etc. So much so that it appears that the true end goal is to eradicate the individualists.

    Which makes perfect sense. Because individualists cleared the ground and settled the space so that the collectivists could enter and exploit wonderful new opportunities. That was then and this is not. They were needed once, now it is time for them to go .

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  • @Tyrion 2
    There's a tremendous amount of ground between what you're alleging about Jews and being perfect. I don't find it difficult to sit in the middle ground between the two extremes. Why is your thinking so borderline?

    By borderline I think you mean “extreme”.

    Well, historically different groups do fall into extremes – extremes of selfishness, extremes of power seeking. It’s a natural cycle.

    By refusing to consider the possibility that Jews may have fallen into an extreme as part of a natural civilizational cycle you yourself are being extreme, and by arguing for Jewish exceptionalism you are ironically preparing the way for McDonald to advance his equally extreme thesis.

    If Jewish exceptionalism is a legitimate thesis, then exceptional Jewish depravity becomes easier to advance as a respectable thesis.

    Do you see how Jewish extremism in regard to whitewashing their self image has made it easier to hold extreme positions on Jewish depravity? It’s the ironic law of unintended consequences. Extremes beget extremes.

    What I am proposing is a sensible middle ground – McDonald’s thesis, while illuminating, should be rejected as too extreme. Similarly, the sensible middle ground bids us accept the possibility that Jews are as capable of falling into depraved extremes as any other group of people.

    Permanent, genetic Jewish perversity should be rejected – the flip side being that temporary, periodic Jewish depravity must be considered as likely as for any other group.

    As you know, I think Judaism elevated the principle of ego to an extreme – but other groups have come close, including the Japanese, the Germans (who got it from the Jews), the Chinese, the British, and even Islam. But each group displayed a capacity for moderating the impulse of self-interest for lengthy periods.

    So Tyrion, join hands with me and as sensible moderate men let us admit that extreme genetic Jewish depravity should be rejected in favor of periodic, recurring Jewish depravity – no different in principle from that exhibited by any human group.

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    By 'borderline' I meant reminiscent of someone with Borderline Personality Disorder.

    Naturally, that includes 'splitting' which you confuse for merely 'extreme'.

    As for the sophistry you followed your misunderstanding up with, you'll find that it has no relation to the post you intially objected to. Indeed, your own current sophistry rejects your objection to my post.

    I have bolded the most important point for your simpler comprehension.

    A. Leftist causes often run counter to ‘Jewish interests’.

    B. Each individual Jew’s self-interest is only somewhat defined by their Judaism.

    C. No individual is entirely selfish.

    These are pretty basic observations. To counter them on this site commenters have to posit that Jews are extraordinarily ethno-centric, that Jews are uniquely selfish and that somehow leftist causes exactly mirror Jewish interests even when they obviously don’t.

    None of these have any particular evidence to them. Two of them essentially define Jews as less than human and the other results in the most absurd logical contortions and conspiracy theorising.

    Holding such beliefs literally makes you bad and stupid
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  • @utu

    Richard Lynn – the guy who published “The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement” and started the “110 Ashkenazi IQ” ball rolling
     
    It is the shabbos goys who are doing the job of spreading the gospel of Jewish HBD supremacy: Lynn, Murray, Cochran, Sailer, Peterson with some help of Jews like Harris and Pinker. The meme is going mainstream and is there to help the masses understand that their masters are there because of immutable universal laws established by IQ sacred science and nothing can be done about it except to submit to masters. But masters are not cruel and let whites having some consolation with that their IQ is higher than that of blacks. The consoling goes 24/7 at VDare and iSteve with occasional reminding how smart our masters are.

    But masters are not cruel and let whites having some consolation with that their IQ is higher than that of blacks.

    A consolation prize! Gosh darn it! How positively white of them!

    Say, I was wondering. Easter is nearly upon us and we are awaiting the arrival of the Easter Bunny. Santa Claus comes at Christmastime.

    So what time of the year does the IQ Fairy make her rounds?

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  • @Lot
    "His Deep State handlers told him to."

    Something about you autism spectrum computer programmers makes you unaware of how normal people don't normally need to be told what to do, leading you to create conspiracy theories to explain behavior by like minded individuals.

    Nobody in the "deep state" told Spencer to become a Nazi clown to damage Trump. He simply saw that the MSM needed a new Nazi clown since Duke was getting old and lived in Switzerland, and he stepped forward to volunteer.

    I bet you would find very few conspiracy theorists have a successful history with team sports, sales, and other areas requiring a lot of non-verbal communication. A Deep State barking out orders creates the sense of order over human behavior your nuerotype can't understand.

    You would be more successful at reaching your goals if you would take the time to acknowledge your cognitive biases and limitations and then tried to work around them.

    Nobody in the “deep state” told Spencer to become a Nazi clown to damage Trump.

    Well, maybe not. It’s true that I cannot prove my conjecture that Spencer is “working for the show”. Still, I would say that anybody who can watch the following clip and not suspect, at the very least, that this guy is a plant, that’s somebody who is very unaware.

    There is a bit of ambiguity. After he says “Hail Trump. Hail our People. Hail Victory!” he stretches out his water glass as if it is a toast, maybe. Not a fascist salute.

    But then the camera shifts over to people in the audience unambiguously doing a fascist salute. Those people are clearly plants.

    That the whole thing is Deep State agitprop seems like a very sensible suspicion and has nothing to do with any psychiatric diagnoses you make of me. Again, anybody who does NOT at least suspect this is somebody who is extremely naive and unaware.

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  • @phil
    "The meme is going mainstream and is there to help the masses understand that their masters are there because of immutable universal laws established by IQ sacred science and nothing can be done about it except to submit to masters."

    This is, of course, irresponsible rhetoric. The point is simply that, on average, blacks are less intelligent and are therefore likely earn less than other major racial groups. It is now generally accepted amongst labor economists--Roland Fryer is a good example--that a lack of cognitive ability is the #1 factor causing the earnings of blacks to languish. Fryer has occasionally fallen for "Harlem education miracles" and the like, and James Heckman has looked to comprehensive pre-school education to close "the gap", but the gap remains. "IQ theories," like other theories, are never really proven. They just haven't been convincingly falsified, at least for the time being. No one really knows where average black genotypic IQ lies. Heiner Rindermann's recent estimate is 93.

    Looks like you like the bait they caught you very much. So I will not argue with you and let you stay in the sandbox with the Black IQ as your favorite toy.

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  • @AaronB

    Jews are extraordinarily ethno-centric, that Jews are uniquely selfish
     
    The funny thing is, by denying Jews can ever exemplify these traits you're ironically demonstrating these very traits :)

    At different historical periods, some groups are exceptionally self-interested. For instance, the Spanish in the Americas were extraordinarily ethnocentric and selfish - they destroyed entire civilizations to advance their little tribe.

    Two of them essentially define Jews as less than human
     
    The exact opposite of the truth. It "essentially defines" Jews as no different than the rest of the human race and just as capable of all its stupidity and evil.

    But everyone here realizes, Tyrion, that as a Jew you're not prepared to admit Jews are capable of being as bad as, say, the Spanish.

    Jewish exceptionalism strikes again :)

    But do continue, your unwitting exposure of how Jews really think is very interesting to watch!

    There’s a tremendous amount of ground between what you’re alleging about Jews and being perfect. I don’t find it difficult to sit in the middle ground between the two extremes. Why is your thinking so borderline?

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    By borderline I think you mean "extreme".

    Well, historically different groups do fall into extremes - extremes of selfishness, extremes of power seeking. It's a natural cycle.

    By refusing to consider the possibility that Jews may have fallen into an extreme as part of a natural civilizational cycle you yourself are being extreme, and by arguing for Jewish exceptionalism you are ironically preparing the way for McDonald to advance his equally extreme thesis.

    If Jewish exceptionalism is a legitimate thesis, then exceptional Jewish depravity becomes easier to advance as a respectable thesis.

    Do you see how Jewish extremism in regard to whitewashing their self image has made it easier to hold extreme positions on Jewish depravity? It's the ironic law of unintended consequences. Extremes beget extremes.

    What I am proposing is a sensible middle ground - McDonald's thesis, while illuminating, should be rejected as too extreme. Similarly, the sensible middle ground bids us accept the possibility that Jews are as capable of falling into depraved extremes as any other group of people.

    Permanent, genetic Jewish perversity should be rejected - the flip side being that temporary, periodic Jewish depravity must be considered as likely as for any other group.

    As you know, I think Judaism elevated the principle of ego to an extreme - but other groups have come close, including the Japanese, the Germans (who got it from the Jews), the Chinese, the British, and even Islam. But each group displayed a capacity for moderating the impulse of self-interest for lengthy periods.

    So Tyrion, join hands with me and as sensible moderate men let us admit that extreme genetic Jewish depravity should be rejected in favor of periodic, recurring Jewish depravity - no different in principle from that exhibited by any human group.
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  • @Tyrion 2

    Why is the “default” hypothesis that Jews push leftist causes because they’re higher-IQ, more urban Christians? Why is that more parsimonious than self-interest?
     
    A. Leftist causes often run counter to 'Jewish interests'.

    B. Each individual Jew's self-interest is only somewhat defined by their Judaism.

    C. No individual is entirely selfish.

    These are pretty basic observations. To counter them on this site commenters have to posit that Jews are extraordinarily ethno-centric, that Jews are uniquely selfish and that somehow leftist causes exactly mirror Jewish interests even when they obviously don't.

    None of these have any particular evidence to them. Two of them essentially define Jews as less than human and the other results in the most absurd logical contortions and conspiracy theorising.

    Holding such beliefs literally makes you bad and stupid.

    Jews are extraordinarily ethno-centric, that Jews are uniquely selfish

    The funny thing is, by denying Jews can ever exemplify these traits you’re ironically demonstrating these very traits :)

    At different historical periods, some groups are exceptionally self-interested. For instance, the Spanish in the Americas were extraordinarily ethnocentric and selfish – they destroyed entire civilizations to advance their little tribe.

    Two of them essentially define Jews as less than human

    The exact opposite of the truth. It “essentially defines” Jews as no different than the rest of the human race and just as capable of all its stupidity and evil.

    But everyone here realizes, Tyrion, that as a Jew you’re not prepared to admit Jews are capable of being as bad as, say, the Spanish.

    Jewish exceptionalism strikes again :)

    But do continue, your unwitting exposure of how Jews really think is very interesting to watch!

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    There's a tremendous amount of ground between what you're alleging about Jews and being perfect. I don't find it difficult to sit in the middle ground between the two extremes. Why is your thinking so borderline?
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  • @Anon
    National Longitudinal Study 97 Data
    Dunkel et al. Data

    So, my understanding was that the only large *representative* study of the IQ of religious groups in the U.S. was the Project Talent data, which you can see in the Dunkel et al paper. But, I believe that the NLS 97 data also satisfies this criteria. I linked to an blog post by Razib Kahn back in 2008 discussing a study on the NLS97 data. You can see the IQ scores it estimates for Americas various whites religious groups there. So, it appears that the two major representative studies give Jews a 3-6 point point IQ advantage over the average non-Jewish White. Am I wrong, did I misinterpret this data?

    Notably, pumpkinperson quotes Seligman writing in 92 thatthe closest thing we have to a representative sample of Jewish IQ is the project talent data. If the NLS97 data is indeed representative, then while Seligman was right at the time, that statement is no longer true. We thus have two sets (and I believe *only* two sets?) of representative data on the intelligence of various religious denominations in the US.

    Denomination, IQ
    Episcopalian/Anglican 113.43
    Jewish 112.43
    Atheist 111.08
    Agnostic 109.13
    Methodist 108.33
    Presbyterian 107.74
    Omitting some denominations ...
    Total 106.09

    If IQ’s SD is approximately 15 then to estimate the mean of population to within of 1 IQ scale point within ± 1 sigma it suffices to have a sample of n=225 subjects size.

    From Dunkel paper that had three data sets and from studies you are citing here we can clearly see that IQ psyshometricians and researchers we clearly see that results of various studies are not congruent with each other. The means of IQ from various study vary widely beyond expected statistical error margins meaning that the so-called psychometricians and IQ researchers and their claims can’t be believed.

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  • Anon[910] • Disclaimer says:

    National Longitudinal Study 97 Data
    Dunkel et al. Data

    So, my understanding was that the only large *representative* study of the IQ of religious groups in the U.S. was the Project Talent data, which you can see in the Dunkel et al paper. But, I believe that the NLS 97 data also satisfies this criteria. I linked to an blog post by Razib Kahn back in 2008 discussing a study on the NLS97 data. You can see the IQ scores it estimates for Americas various whites religious groups there. So, it appears that the two major representative studies give Jews a 3-6 point point IQ advantage over the average non-Jewish White. Am I wrong, did I misinterpret this data?

    Notably, pumpkinperson quotes Seligman writing in 92 thatthe closest thing we have to a representative sample of Jewish IQ is the project talent data. If the NLS97 data is indeed representative, then while Seligman was right at the time, that statement is no longer true. We thus have two sets (and I believe *only* two sets?) of representative data on the intelligence of various religious denominations in the US.

    Denomination, IQ
    Episcopalian/Anglican 113.43
    Jewish 112.43
    Atheist 111.08
    Agnostic 109.13
    Methodist 108.33
    Presbyterian 107.74
    Omitting some denominations …
    Total 106.09

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    If IQ's SD is approximately 15 then to estimate the mean of population to within of 1 IQ scale point within ± 1 sigma it suffices to have a sample of n=225 subjects size.

    From Dunkel paper that had three data sets and from studies you are citing here we can clearly see that IQ psyshometricians and researchers we clearly see that results of various studies are not congruent with each other. The means of IQ from various study vary widely beyond expected statistical error margins meaning that the so-called psychometricians and IQ researchers and their claims can't be believed.
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  • @Neil Templeton
    Maybe the proper response, Lot, is a leap of faith. Perhaps the MSM Jews ought to begin to back the nationalist claims of the Alt Right. I know we're not that smart. But because, for the most part, we're not genetically descended from the Troubled Lands, we can't hold a grudge for long. And we're trusting, to a point. Primarily, we believe in, and try to abide by, the noble virtues, e.g. honesty, loyalty, courage, vows, etc. Do you have faith in the noble virtues?

    As Judaism becomes defined exclusively by the nation-state, Israel, and the noble virtues that you reference, much less Tikkun olam, fall by the wayside from Judaism’s portfolio, Israeli nationalism will be shown to be just another garden variety nationalism, then who are you going to call?

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  • @anon
    Why is the "default" hypothesis that Jews push leftist causes because they're higher-IQ, more urban Christians? Why is that more parsimonious than self-interest? Even if I granted that Jews were usually universalistic, I don't see how it squares the circle of Jews' obviously hypocritical behavior vis-a-vis ethno-nationalism in the US vs Israel. But, I don't grant it, because, as Stephen Isaacs explained, Jews "aren't liberal voters" they are the "most self-interested voters in the society." *0* The fact that Jews aren't really "liberal" universalists at all by itself debunks Cofnas' central point.

    Because MacDonald's work is written essentially as a history, it is always going to be open to accusations of cherry-picking (all histories are), and attacks of what-about-ism, as Cofnas does extensively, "What about Chomsky saying X? What about Marx and Freud who said Y?" *1* This is due to the fact that no history book is large enough to include all of the historical record, and therefore must pick a subset of examples from the much larger set of examples that exist in the real world.*2*

    MacDonald provides examples and interpretations of motivations, and Cofnas provides counter-examples, and disagrees, that's all. This isn't "scientific" in some strict sense. You would need statistics to be "scientific." And, what do these statistics show about the hypocritical behavior of the broader Jewish community? That MacDonald's core observations are right, and that Cofnas' default hypothesis is wrong.

    Firstly, how could you prove or disprove a claim of cherry-picking? One way: Define the whole set of examples to draw from (everything every Jewish intellectual ever said in a historical time frame), and then a method for sampling from that set, and see whether the set of examples that MacDonald drew were representative of all statements of all Jewish intellectuals.*3* Cofnas doesn't do this. *4**5* My guess is that no history ever written about a subject this size, that had any thesis, including CofC, would survive this standard (or has been subjected to it, due to impracticality). This does not mean that all of history is "wrong" or "pseudo-science" as Cofnas puts it.

    MacDonald's theory of Jewish hypocrisy as applied to the whole Jewish community is easily demonstrably true, by just looking at the organizations that Jews give money to. Jews give money to organizations that promote universalistic policies for their hosts, and particularist policies for Israel to a *vastly* greater degree than the reverse. (Who gets more money from Jews, AIPAC, or the BDS movement? The SPLC and ADL, or Amren?) For Jews, it is: ethno-nationalism for me in Israel, and universal egalitarianism for their host nations in the diaspora, and they put money behind organization that promote those causes, and money is a very measurable statistic. Why is the most parsimonious assumption, the "default" hypothesis, that Jewish intellectuals are primarily motivated by the same things that motivate high-IQ, urban whites, when hypocritical self-interest is what so clearly motivates the community's money?

    *0* Stephen Isaacs said that Jews "aren't liberal voters." That they are the "most self-interested voters in the society" and that they "are afraid of the right" and the Republican party because it had historically been the party that "housed most of the anti-Semites." He explained that this solved the "paradox" of Jews supposedly voting against their own interests, as the wealthiest group in American society, by voting Democratic and not Republican. Watch his interview with him and Bill Buckley, esp., starting at 24 min.

    *1* Even the what-about-isms Cofnas uses are mostly laughable. Chomsky is not "anti-Israel." Marx wasn't an anti-Semite just because he said the Jewish God is money, and his anecdote about Freud proves nothing.*7*

    *2* Did Guns, Germs and Steel, or Hitler's Willing Executioners cite sources on both sides in a statistically unbiased way? How were they received in contrast to how CofC has been received?

    *3* And it would be a monumental undertaking to try.

    *4* But, that's also tricky, because MacDonald's theory is specifically about Jewish misbehavior and hypocrisy, and people are often careful to conceal their misbehavior.

    *5* Did Jews who were austensible universalists push universalisms for their Israel as assiduously as they did for their hosts? Did the ethnonationalistic Israel-supporting Jews alt support ethnonationalism for their hosts in the diaspora as assiduously as they did for Israel.*6*

    *6* This opens up a whole different discussion about how egregious it is to tolerate a people within your nation that has conflicting loyalties to a foreign one.

    *7* The whole quibble about Freud is an anachronism. Cofnas is projecting Israel's current status as a strong long-established nation, with the status it had almost a century ago, when it was mostly a band of terrorists. It would be like comparing the statements of mainstream "white Christian intellectuals" about a group of white nationalists who cordoned off a part of Canada to form an ethnostate by force *today* vs. how they would talk about it in the year 2100 when it was established and thriving. "John Doe intellectual in 2018 was anti-annexing-Alberta. Therefore he was a self-hating-White." The comparison is absurd.

    Why is the “default” hypothesis that Jews push leftist causes because they’re higher-IQ, more urban Christians? Why is that more parsimonious than self-interest?

    A. Leftist causes often run counter to ‘Jewish interests’.

    B. Each individual Jew’s self-interest is only somewhat defined by their Judaism.

    C. No individual is entirely selfish.

    These are pretty basic observations. To counter them on this site commenters have to posit that Jews are extraordinarily ethno-centric, that Jews are uniquely selfish and that somehow leftist causes exactly mirror Jewish interests even when they obviously don’t.

    None of these have any particular evidence to them. Two of them essentially define Jews as less than human and the other results in the most absurd logical contortions and conspiracy theorising.

    Holding such beliefs literally makes you bad and stupid.

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    Jews are extraordinarily ethno-centric, that Jews are uniquely selfish
     
    The funny thing is, by denying Jews can ever exemplify these traits you're ironically demonstrating these very traits :)

    At different historical periods, some groups are exceptionally self-interested. For instance, the Spanish in the Americas were extraordinarily ethnocentric and selfish - they destroyed entire civilizations to advance their little tribe.

    Two of them essentially define Jews as less than human
     
    The exact opposite of the truth. It "essentially defines" Jews as no different than the rest of the human race and just as capable of all its stupidity and evil.

    But everyone here realizes, Tyrion, that as a Jew you're not prepared to admit Jews are capable of being as bad as, say, the Spanish.

    Jewish exceptionalism strikes again :)

    But do continue, your unwitting exposure of how Jews really think is very interesting to watch!
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  • @iffen
    I do not consider Jew-baiting to be a “pithy” issue. I do comment on some of the anti-Semitic comments, but there are so many choices and so little time that I can't get to all of them. I do not deflect nor dissemble with regard to Jews or Israel, although, I would if I thought it necessary.

    The maven is not the Wiz, but rather is Sam Shama who is currently out of the loop. (I suspect he is on a secret Mossad mission.)

    I do not defend all Israeli policies, just their right to exist like any other country. I defend American Jews from neo-Nazi pellet droppers and such.

    Lot is a very knowledgeable and thoughtful commenter.

    I’m curious and puzzled as to how you can portray the civil exchange between Ford and Confas as “Jew-baiting”, especially since they are both Jews and they are seriously discussing the influence of American Jewish groups on American society. It’s almost as if you view the discussion of the influence of organized Jewish groups as Anti-semitism, even when it is two Jews discussing it.

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  • @utu

    Richard Lynn – the guy who published “The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement” and started the “110 Ashkenazi IQ” ball rolling
     
    It is the shabbos goys who are doing the job of spreading the gospel of Jewish HBD supremacy: Lynn, Murray, Cochran, Sailer, Peterson with some help of Jews like Harris and Pinker. The meme is going mainstream and is there to help the masses understand that their masters are there because of immutable universal laws established by IQ sacred science and nothing can be done about it except to submit to masters. But masters are not cruel and let whites having some consolation with that their IQ is higher than that of blacks. The consoling goes 24/7 at VDare and iSteve with occasional reminding how smart our masters are.

    “The meme is going mainstream and is there to help the masses understand that their masters are there because of immutable universal laws established by IQ sacred science and nothing can be done about it except to submit to masters.”

    This is, of course, irresponsible rhetoric. The point is simply that, on average, blacks are less intelligent and are therefore likely earn less than other major racial groups. It is now generally accepted amongst labor economists–Roland Fryer is a good example–that a lack of cognitive ability is the #1 factor causing the earnings of blacks to languish. Fryer has occasionally fallen for “Harlem education miracles” and the like, and James Heckman has looked to comprehensive pre-school education to close “the gap”, but the gap remains. “IQ theories,” like other theories, are never really proven. They just haven’t been convincingly falsified, at least for the time being. No one really knows where average black genotypic IQ lies. Heiner Rindermann’s recent estimate is 93.

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    Looks like you like the bait they caught you very much. So I will not argue with you and let you stay in the sandbox with the Black IQ as your favorite toy.
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  • @utu

    Richard Lynn – the guy who published “The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement” and started the “110 Ashkenazi IQ” ball rolling
     
    It is the shabbos goys who are doing the job of spreading the gospel of Jewish HBD supremacy: Lynn, Murray, Cochran, Sailer, Peterson with some help of Jews like Harris and Pinker. The meme is going mainstream and is there to help the masses understand that their masters are there because of immutable universal laws established by IQ sacred science and nothing can be done about it except to submit to masters. But masters are not cruel and let whites having some consolation with that their IQ is higher than that of blacks. The consoling goes 24/7 at VDare and iSteve with occasional reminding how smart our masters are.

    “It is the shabbos goys who are doing the job of spreading the gospel of Jewish HBD supremacy: Lynn, Murray, Cochran, Sailer, Peterson…”

    Are you sure that Steve Sailer is a goy?

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  • @Lot

    Kevin, if you’re looking to write another book, you have one waiting for you right here, in the comments section of the iSteve Blog. “Conservative Jews” here have, as one of their main missions, defending Jewry; making the dissident right incapable of criticism of Jews.
     
    Such power in the comment section of one blog!

    making the dissident right incapable of criticism of Jews
     
    What does "dissident right" mean exactly? Is there someone in particular you think wants to be Jew-critical but is afraid?

    The reality is that right-wing antisemites are viewed by normal conservative Americans are freakshow bozos and embarrassments, while the fight against mass migration and Islamification of the West has so many individual people, many of them Jews, who all by themselves have done more positive things in terms of impact than the entire "counter-semitism" gang put together. Pam Geller to take just one example, who puts herself in real physical danger and deals with endless online Jihadi/SJW harassment.

    Maybe the proper response, Lot, is a leap of faith. Perhaps the MSM Jews ought to begin to back the nationalist claims of the Alt Right. I know we’re not that smart. But because, for the most part, we’re not genetically descended from the Troubled Lands, we can’t hold a grudge for long. And we’re trusting, to a point. Primarily, we believe in, and try to abide by, the noble virtues, e.g. honesty, loyalty, courage, vows, etc. Do you have faith in the noble virtues?

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    As Judaism becomes defined exclusively by the nation-state, Israel, and the noble virtues that you reference, much less Tikkun olam, fall by the wayside from Judaism’s portfolio, Israeli nationalism will be shown to be just another garden variety nationalism, then who are you going to call?
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  • @Svigor
    Kevin, if you're looking to write another book, you have one waiting for you right here, in the comments section of the iSteve Blog. "Conservative Jews" here have, as one of their main missions, defending Jewry; making the dissident right incapable of criticism of Jews. Their Jewishness trumps their "conservatism." This has played out over and over again for many years.

    Kevin, if you’re looking to write another book, you have one waiting for you right here, in the comments section of the iSteve Blog. “Conservative Jews” here have, as one of their main missions, defending Jewry; making the dissident right incapable of criticism of Jews.

    Such power in the comment section of one blog!

    making the dissident right incapable of criticism of Jews

    What does “dissident right” mean exactly? Is there someone in particular you think wants to be Jew-critical but is afraid?

    The reality is that right-wing antisemites are viewed by normal conservative Americans are freakshow bozos and embarrassments, while the fight against mass migration and Islamification of the West has so many individual people, many of them Jews, who all by themselves have done more positive things in terms of impact than the entire “counter-semitism” gang put together. Pam Geller to take just one example, who puts herself in real physical danger and deals with endless online Jihadi/SJW harassment.

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    Maybe the proper response, Lot, is a leap of faith. Perhaps the MSM Jews ought to begin to back the nationalist claims of the Alt Right. I know we're not that smart. But because, for the most part, we're not genetically descended from the Troubled Lands, we can't hold a grudge for long. And we're trusting, to a point. Primarily, we believe in, and try to abide by, the noble virtues, e.g. honesty, loyalty, courage, vows, etc. Do you have faith in the noble virtues?
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  • @CalDre
    Even if one buys into the "Ashkenazi Jews are smarter than Aryans" myth, which clearly I don't, it does not explain Jewish success.

    The rational, evolutionary response of any group (W) that is confronted with an "other"group (J) which seeks to gain power within W and assert dominance over W is to prevent that. Groups which do not successfully protect themselves from dominance by other groups simply cease to exist, or at least cease to be successful. History is chock full of groups - whether species of animals or human groups such as "primitive" (in terms of "the will to power", not in terms of spirituality or emotional development) tribes - which died out for their failure to prevent domination by other groups.

    Now Whites in particular are not hesitant to dominate other groups or to defend themselves against domination by others. The history of European warfare, colonialism and imperialism, as well as destruction of various incompatible species, prove that beyond the shadow of any doubt.

    So what is special about Jews that they are able to foil W's natural survival instinct? It's most certainly NOT "intelligence" - W's far greater numbers and objectively greater power (if only focused) would serve to utterly dominate Js, as the German attempted expulsion (NOT extermination, so tired of that fucking Jewish "Big Lie") of Jews in WW II proves. However MacDonald's "group evolutionary strategy" provides some insights.

    As far as I see it, different groups have tried to dominate the world throughout history. Most of them have tried to do so through military conquest. What is unique about Jews, as a tribe/nation, is that they attempt to gain world domination through infiltration and usurpation. And, for whatever reason, they have been quite successful at masking their diabolical infiltration by use of the "anti-Semitism" canard, as if some group not wanting to be dominated by an "other" group, particularly one that despises the majority group, is a sign of hatred - rather the hatred, really, comes from the Jews, who are trying to dominate the others. So Jews are successfully able to "turn the tables", make black into white, by accusing others of hatred of them, simply for opposing Jews' hatred of, and efforts to dominate, the others.

    There are of course other groups that use similar strategies. Indeed, this strategy is a common strategy of the ruling oligarchy in any society. Rulership within a society, while often initially accomplished by violence / conquest, retains its power through usurpation, typically propaganda that attempts to justify some small good-for-nothing group of murderers and thieves, which all ruling classes are, having power over the rest of society.

    Jews just have a very clever way of obtaining control. And honestly it doesn't even bother me, that they try and have a successful strategy, in the abstract. What really pisses me off at Jews to no end - actually, about the only thing that does - is their constant aggressive smears of "anti-Semitism" and other diabolical propaganda, including criminalizing their double-think "hate speech" and legal prohibitions on speech about and demonization of racial identity by non-Jews (which Jews themselves exploit to its fullest potential), to prevent an honest debate about what is happening.

    So in the end, it is not intelligence, but radical ethnocentrism (including affirmative action toward tribe members) and "class consciousness" (i.e., deliberate and malicious attacks on tribal competitors) which is the key to Jewish success.

    ” it does not explain Jewish success. ”
    What success ?
    See how Israel is condemned by next to the whole world, and jewish control over the USA is discussed here.

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  • ” Jews just have a very clever way of obtaining control. ”
    Bribery does not seem a very clever way.
    Not much more or less than owning media.
    Soros bought one on the few independent British newspapers, Guardian.
    Nothing new in buying newspapers, editors and journalists, De Wendel did it.
    Jean-Noël Jeanneney, ‘Francois de Wendel en République, L’Argent et le Pouvoir 1914-1940, Paris 1976
    He was not a jew.

    The shocking thing for jews with Hitler was that bribery did not work.
    Jews had nearly always been able to buy their protection at the highest level.
    Truman bribing into recognising Israel, against the advice of the State Department, the assertion is one million dollar, may be a good example.

    In France Sarkozy is persecuted for having financed his election with Ghadaffi money.
    He of course denies anything, however, a surviving son of Ghadaffi says that he has all the proof.
    What Sarko promised Ghadaffi in return, not clear to me.
    Maybe he just did not fulfill his promise.

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  • @Anonymous
    True. We can only hope that one of them (Kevin MacDonald, maybe) decides to purchase some mineral supplements and tackles this ridiculous propaganda.

    The Jews are only a tiny, 2% minority in the US, so even if we take the 110 (Ashkenazi) IQ claim at face value (lol) the US whites would outnumber them more than 15 to 1 in the number of 110+ IQ people. Gosh, Nathan Cofnas might not be so smart after all. His "default hypothesis" - a.k.a. "we're just that clever, goy" - can't explain anything. He needs to think bigger. I'd go with a 210 IQ number next time.

    Even if one buys into the “Ashkenazi Jews are smarter than Aryans” myth, which clearly I don’t, it does not explain Jewish success.

    The rational, evolutionary response of any group (W) that is confronted with an “other”group (J) which seeks to gain power within W and assert dominance over W is to prevent that. Groups which do not successfully protect themselves from dominance by other groups simply cease to exist, or at least cease to be successful. History is chock full of groups – whether species of animals or human groups such as “primitive” (in terms of “the will to power”, not in terms of spirituality or emotional development) tribes – which died out for their failure to prevent domination by other groups.

    Now Whites in particular are not hesitant to dominate other groups or to defend themselves against domination by others. The history of European warfare, colonialism and imperialism, as well as destruction of various incompatible species, prove that beyond the shadow of any doubt.

    So what is special about Jews that they are able to foil W’s natural survival instinct? It’s most certainly NOT “intelligence” – W’s far greater numbers and objectively greater power (if only focused) would serve to utterly dominate Js, as the German attempted expulsion (NOT extermination, so tired of that fucking Jewish “Big Lie”) of Jews in WW II proves. However MacDonald’s “group evolutionary strategy” provides some insights.

    As far as I see it, different groups have tried to dominate the world throughout history. Most of them have tried to do so through military conquest. What is unique about Jews, as a tribe/nation, is that they attempt to gain world domination through infiltration and usurpation. And, for whatever reason, they have been quite successful at masking their diabolical infiltration by use of the “anti-Semitism” canard, as if some group not wanting to be dominated by an “other” group, particularly one that despises the majority group, is a sign of hatred – rather the hatred, really, comes from the Jews, who are trying to dominate the others. So Jews are successfully able to “turn the tables”, make black into white, by accusing others of hatred of them, simply for opposing Jews’ hatred of, and efforts to dominate, the others.

    There are of course other groups that use similar strategies. Indeed, this strategy is a common strategy of the ruling oligarchy in any society. Rulership within a society, while often initially accomplished by violence / conquest, retains its power through usurpation, typically propaganda that attempts to justify some small good-for-nothing group of murderers and thieves, which all ruling classes are, having power over the rest of society.

    Jews just have a very clever way of obtaining control. And honestly it doesn’t even bother me, that they try and have a successful strategy, in the abstract. What really pisses me off at Jews to no end – actually, about the only thing that does – is their constant aggressive smears of “anti-Semitism” and other diabolical propaganda, including criminalizing their double-think “hate speech” and legal prohibitions on speech about and demonization of racial identity by non-Jews (which Jews themselves exploit to its fullest potential), to prevent an honest debate about what is happening.

    So in the end, it is not intelligence, but radical ethnocentrism (including affirmative action toward tribe members) and “class consciousness” (i.e., deliberate and malicious attacks on tribal competitors) which is the key to Jewish success.

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    " it does not explain Jewish success. "
    What success ?
    See how Israel is condemned by next to the whole world, and jewish control over the USA is discussed here.
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  • Anonymous[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria
    "...ridiculous propaganda."
    --- What planet are you from? Kevin MacDonald gives a clear explanation of the tribal psychology of supremacy and of its pernicious influence on western civilization. For example, there are anti-freedom-of-speech laws designed to protect Israel's "image." Never heard about this? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/city-links-hurricane-relief-support-israel-171021080158569.html
    "In Dickinson, Texas, residents must sign a pledge not to boycott Israel in order to obtain hurricane relief funds."
    And you peddle your stuff about Jewish moral and intellectual superiority and about Jewish innocent defenselessness? -- You are funny.

    You misread my post. I’m on his side. He should challenge the single, ridiculous excuse Nathan Cofnas offered for his Tribe’s massive over-representation in the key sectors. At 2% of the population, they’d be barely cracking 4-5% representation on a level field. Less, actually, since only one of the Tribe’s sub-tribes knows the big words.

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  • @Anonymous
    Western men have been deliberately poisoned with xenoestrogens and other endocrine-disruptors: Sperm counts in the West plunge by 60% in 40 years as ‘modern life’ damages men’s health

    The not-so-funny part is that the trend was known for decades but the public mostly doesn't know. I remember reading a paper on it from '92-'93. Even worse: most of these articles don't even mention the corresponding drop in Testosterone - a hormone that's crucial for man's assertiveness, drive and ability to not take shit from just anyone and become a docile sheep. Another coincidence.

    The war on Western men didn't start recently, contrary to the popular perception.

    How does this testosterone theory account for black violence and aggressiveness. Blacks eat from the same food supply as the rest of us, and arguably have a worse diet on average.

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  • @Rafael Martorell
    There is a side that is never in the debate:the lack of resisitence of the anglo-saxon gentil.
    The usa anglo gentil.
    The aztecas rebel against Hernado Cortez ,resist him,even against their own King in an hierachical society.
    Recently you can point to the strategy of dominance in Iraq and Afaganistan using the most powerfull military in the world that fail due to resistance of the the "victim".
    It is an axiom that jews have total control of the USA ,etc but the lacking of real man in the midst of the Usa agnlo -gentil is half of the why.

    Americans have refuted the elites repeatedly at the ballot box over and over, for decades, only to be stabbed in the back repeatedly. Eventually, the shit will hit the fan. Why do you think Americans are armed to the teeth with everything from .50 cal rifles to .22s, and God knows what else? Do Americans stock these arms and ammo for deer hunting or home defense?

    America is supposed to be based on laws, and Americans have given the system a chance to work, which distinguishes us from the “real men” from more chaotic places. We also have much more to lose.

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  • Anonymous[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rafael Martorell
    There is a side that is never in the debate:the lack of resisitence of the anglo-saxon gentil.
    The usa anglo gentil.
    The aztecas rebel against Hernado Cortez ,resist him,even against their own King in an hierachical society.
    Recently you can point to the strategy of dominance in Iraq and Afaganistan using the most powerfull military in the world that fail due to resistance of the the "victim".
    It is an axiom that jews have total control of the USA ,etc but the lacking of real man in the midst of the Usa agnlo -gentil is half of the why.

    Western men have been deliberately poisoned with xenoestrogens and other endocrine-disruptors: Sperm counts in the West plunge by 60% in 40 years as ‘modern life’ damages men’s health

    The not-so-funny part is that the trend was known for decades but the public mostly doesn’t know. I remember reading a paper on it from ’92-’93. Even worse: most of these articles don’t even mention the corresponding drop in Testosterone – a hormone that’s crucial for man’s assertiveness, drive and ability to not take shit from just anyone and become a docile sheep. Another coincidence.

    The war on Western men didn’t start recently, contrary to the popular perception.

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    How does this testosterone theory account for black violence and aggressiveness. Blacks eat from the same food supply as the rest of us, and arguably have a worse diet on average.
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  • @Anonymous
    True. We can only hope that one of them (Kevin MacDonald, maybe) decides to purchase some mineral supplements and tackles this ridiculous propaganda.

    The Jews are only a tiny, 2% minority in the US, so even if we take the 110 (Ashkenazi) IQ claim at face value (lol) the US whites would outnumber them more than 15 to 1 in the number of 110+ IQ people. Gosh, Nathan Cofnas might not be so smart after all. His "default hypothesis" - a.k.a. "we're just that clever, goy" - can't explain anything. He needs to think bigger. I'd go with a 210 IQ number next time.

    “…ridiculous propaganda.”
    — What planet are you from? Kevin MacDonald gives a clear explanation of the tribal psychology of supremacy and of its pernicious influence on western civilization. For example, there are anti-freedom-of-speech laws designed to protect Israel’s “image.” Never heard about this? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/city-links-hurricane-relief-support-israel-171021080158569.html
    “In Dickinson, Texas, residents must sign a pledge not to boycott Israel in order to obtain hurricane relief funds.”
    And you peddle your stuff about Jewish moral and intellectual superiority and about Jewish innocent defenselessness? — You are funny.

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    You misread my post. I'm on his side. He should challenge the single, ridiculous excuse Nathan Cofnas offered for his Tribe's massive over-representation in the key sectors. At 2% of the population, they'd be barely cracking 4-5% representation on a level field. Less, actually, since only one of the Tribe's sub-tribes knows the big words.
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  • @John Gruskos
    Most of the commenters, both pro-MacDonald and anti-MacDonald, seem to agree that average IQ varies from people group to people group.

    The big disagreement is about whether ethnocentrism varies from people group to people group.

    The pro-MacDonald commenters say yes, ethnocentrism does vary from people group to people group, and Jews are one of the most ethnocentric people groups, while North European peoples tend to be among the least ethnocentric peoples.

    Most provocatively, the pro-MacDonald commenters insist that it is these differences in ethnocentrism, rather than differences in IQ, which explain Jewish over-representation in certain notorious groups - Bolsheviks, organized crime, white collar crime, "modern art", spies (Rosenbergs, Pollard) and their apologists, open borders activists, pornographers, welfare fraud, Hollywood, sexual revolution, opposition to Christianity in the public sphere, belligerent Russophobes, and the pseudo-scientific intellectual movements reviewed in Culture of Critique (Boasian anthropology, Freudian psychology, Frankfurt School sociology, etc.) - all explained by the particularistic (rather than universalistic) morality associated with high ethnocentrism: "Is it good for the Jews?", not "Is it good?"

    To my reading, the information presented in Ron Unz's Myth of American Meritocracy supports the pro-MacDonald view.

    To summarize bluntly, here are how various groups are represented in admissions to elite academia:

    Blacks, Hispanics - fairly represented with respect to share of population, over represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    Asians - over represented with respect to share of population, fairly represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    Jews - over represented with respect to share of population, and also over represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    White Gentiles - under represented with respect to share of population, and also under represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    This is exactly what MacDonald's theory of ethnocentrism would predict.

    Groups with medium ethnocentrism (Blacks, Hispanics, Asians) are able to ensure fair representation with respect to whichever metric is most favorable to their group.

    Groups with high ethnocentrism (Jews) are able to ensure over representation with respect to all metrics.

    Groups with low ethnocentrism (White Gentiles) are unable to ensure fair representation by any metric.

    “Most provocatively, the pro-MacDonald commenters insist that it is these differences in ethnocentrism, rather than differences in IQ, which explain Jewish over-representation in certain notorious groups – Bolsheviks, organized crime, white collar crime, “modern art”, spies (Rosenbergs, Pollard) and their apologists, open borders activists, pornographers, welfare fraud, Hollywood, sexual revolution, opposition to Christianity in the public sphere, belligerent Russophobes, and the pseudo-scientific intellectual movements reviewed in Culture of Critique (Boasian anthropology, Freudian psychology, Frankfurt School sociology, etc.) – all explained by the particularistic (rather than universalistic) morality associated with high ethnocentrism: “Is it good for the Jews?”, not “Is it good?”
    —Agree. The question of Jewish ethnocentrism goes into the heart of moral values. “Is it good?” Interesting that the accomplished Mr. Cofnas has studiously avoided this aspect.

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  • There is a side that is never in the debate:the lack of resisitence of the anglo-saxon gentil.
    The usa anglo gentil.
    The aztecas rebel against Hernado Cortez ,resist him,even against their own King in an hierachical society.
    Recently you can point to the strategy of dominance in Iraq and Afaganistan using the most powerfull military in the world that fail due to resistance of the the “victim”.
    It is an axiom that jews have total control of the USA ,etc but the lacking of real man in the midst of the Usa agnlo -gentil is half of the why.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Western men have been deliberately poisoned with xenoestrogens and other endocrine-disruptors: Sperm counts in the West plunge by 60% in 40 years as ‘modern life’ damages men’s health

    The not-so-funny part is that the trend was known for decades but the public mostly doesn't know. I remember reading a paper on it from '92-'93. Even worse: most of these articles don't even mention the corresponding drop in Testosterone - a hormone that's crucial for man's assertiveness, drive and ability to not take shit from just anyone and become a docile sheep. Another coincidence.

    The war on Western men didn't start recently, contrary to the popular perception.
    , @OilcanFloyd
    Americans have refuted the elites repeatedly at the ballot box over and over, for decades, only to be stabbed in the back repeatedly. Eventually, the shit will hit the fan. Why do you think Americans are armed to the teeth with everything from .50 cal rifles to .22s, and God knows what else? Do Americans stock these arms and ammo for deer hunting or home defense?

    America is supposed to be based on laws, and Americans have given the system a chance to work, which distinguishes us from the "real men" from more chaotic places. We also have much more to lose.
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  • Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Richard Lynn – the guy who published “The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement” and started the “110 Ashkenazi IQ” ball rolling
     
    It is the shabbos goys who are doing the job of spreading the gospel of Jewish HBD supremacy: Lynn, Murray, Cochran, Sailer, Peterson with some help of Jews like Harris and Pinker. The meme is going mainstream and is there to help the masses understand that their masters are there because of immutable universal laws established by IQ sacred science and nothing can be done about it except to submit to masters. But masters are not cruel and let whites having some consolation with that their IQ is higher than that of blacks. The consoling goes 24/7 at VDare and iSteve with occasional reminding how smart our masters are.

    True. We can only hope that one of them (Kevin MacDonald, maybe) decides to purchase some mineral supplements and tackles this ridiculous propaganda.

    The Jews are only a tiny, 2% minority in the US, so even if we take the 110 (Ashkenazi) IQ claim at face value (lol) the US whites would outnumber them more than 15 to 1 in the number of 110+ IQ people. Gosh, Nathan Cofnas might not be so smart after all. His “default hypothesis” – a.k.a. “we’re just that clever, goy” – can’t explain anything. He needs to think bigger. I’d go with a 210 IQ number next time.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    "...ridiculous propaganda."
    --- What planet are you from? Kevin MacDonald gives a clear explanation of the tribal psychology of supremacy and of its pernicious influence on western civilization. For example, there are anti-freedom-of-speech laws designed to protect Israel's "image." Never heard about this? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/city-links-hurricane-relief-support-israel-171021080158569.html
    "In Dickinson, Texas, residents must sign a pledge not to boycott Israel in order to obtain hurricane relief funds."
    And you peddle your stuff about Jewish moral and intellectual superiority and about Jewish innocent defenselessness? -- You are funny.
    , @CalDre
    Even if one buys into the "Ashkenazi Jews are smarter than Aryans" myth, which clearly I don't, it does not explain Jewish success.

    The rational, evolutionary response of any group (W) that is confronted with an "other"group (J) which seeks to gain power within W and assert dominance over W is to prevent that. Groups which do not successfully protect themselves from dominance by other groups simply cease to exist, or at least cease to be successful. History is chock full of groups - whether species of animals or human groups such as "primitive" (in terms of "the will to power", not in terms of spirituality or emotional development) tribes - which died out for their failure to prevent domination by other groups.

    Now Whites in particular are not hesitant to dominate other groups or to defend themselves against domination by others. The history of European warfare, colonialism and imperialism, as well as destruction of various incompatible species, prove that beyond the shadow of any doubt.

    So what is special about Jews that they are able to foil W's natural survival instinct? It's most certainly NOT "intelligence" - W's far greater numbers and objectively greater power (if only focused) would serve to utterly dominate Js, as the German attempted expulsion (NOT extermination, so tired of that fucking Jewish "Big Lie") of Jews in WW II proves. However MacDonald's "group evolutionary strategy" provides some insights.

    As far as I see it, different groups have tried to dominate the world throughout history. Most of them have tried to do so through military conquest. What is unique about Jews, as a tribe/nation, is that they attempt to gain world domination through infiltration and usurpation. And, for whatever reason, they have been quite successful at masking their diabolical infiltration by use of the "anti-Semitism" canard, as if some group not wanting to be dominated by an "other" group, particularly one that despises the majority group, is a sign of hatred - rather the hatred, really, comes from the Jews, who are trying to dominate the others. So Jews are successfully able to "turn the tables", make black into white, by accusing others of hatred of them, simply for opposing Jews' hatred of, and efforts to dominate, the others.

    There are of course other groups that use similar strategies. Indeed, this strategy is a common strategy of the ruling oligarchy in any society. Rulership within a society, while often initially accomplished by violence / conquest, retains its power through usurpation, typically propaganda that attempts to justify some small good-for-nothing group of murderers and thieves, which all ruling classes are, having power over the rest of society.

    Jews just have a very clever way of obtaining control. And honestly it doesn't even bother me, that they try and have a successful strategy, in the abstract. What really pisses me off at Jews to no end - actually, about the only thing that does - is their constant aggressive smears of "anti-Semitism" and other diabolical propaganda, including criminalizing their double-think "hate speech" and legal prohibitions on speech about and demonization of racial identity by non-Jews (which Jews themselves exploit to its fullest potential), to prevent an honest debate about what is happening.

    So in the end, it is not intelligence, but radical ethnocentrism (including affirmative action toward tribe members) and "class consciousness" (i.e., deliberate and malicious attacks on tribal competitors) which is the key to Jewish success.

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  • @Anon
    I scratch my head. Have you gone off your rocker? Or is this a very perverse kind of trolling? Are we finally to wake up to the real "jille dyxtra" phenomenon?

    Just two simple points You must know that there hadn't been a Roman king for hundreds of years. And where was there evidence of Jewish communities outside Palestine which were sufficiently troublesome to the religiously tolerant Roman state that they had to be disrupted?

    BTW what do you think Paul's dates were? After all those "two large armies" were decades, even generations, apart, were they not?

    King indeed was a mistake, should have been emperor.
    About Paul
    Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, ‘Verschlusssache Jesus, Die Wahrheit über das frühe Christentum’, (The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception, 1991), 2005, Bergisch Gladbach
    Jews in the Roman empire
    Michael Grant, ‘The Jews in the Roman World’, 1973, New York
    Roman war in Palestine
    Flavius Josephus, ‘Geschichte des Jüdischen Krieges’, Wiesbaden, 1978
    Large army
    Yigael Yadin, ‘Massada, Hero’s fortress and the zealots’ last stand’, London 1996

    The murder on the emperor, it seems he took away jewish prerogatives.

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  • @iffen
    I do not consider Jew-baiting to be a “pithy” issue. I do comment on some of the anti-Semitic comments, but there are so many choices and so little time that I can't get to all of them. I do not deflect nor dissemble with regard to Jews or Israel, although, I would if I thought it necessary.

    The maven is not the Wiz, but rather is Sam Shama who is currently out of the loop. (I suspect he is on a secret Mossad mission.)

    I do not defend all Israeli policies, just their right to exist like any other country. I defend American Jews from neo-Nazi pellet droppers and such.

    Lot is a very knowledgeable and thoughtful commenter.

    Please tell us what “Jew-baiting” is.

    You should be very pleased to know that ‘the Nazis’ did not kill 6M Jews.

    Lot is a believer in the impossibly absurd.

    We challenge you and Lot to debate.

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  • @joe webb
    so much yakkity -yak about IQ. How high an IQ does one have to possess to learn how to tie one's shoelaces?

    Figuring out the jews requires a few more IQ points than learning to tie one's shoes, granted.

    What I keep on going on about is the religious factor, which nobody wants to address. Now maybe that takes higher IQ than figuring out the jews . Elementary but the bias of secular intellectuals is to overlook the religious.

    Jews are the foundation of Christianity and are our sacred cows...go to any church and see what the readings are...always from both OT and NT. Does the rabbi read from the NT....?

    Trump can reverse himself and hire Bolton, etc. Trump is the newest member of the neocons, and the jews win again. Impeach Trump

    Hello?

    “so much yakkity -yak about IQ.”

    Agreed, this makes my little gentile brain hurt…
    Anyone know Macdonald and Nehlans stance on a real 9/11 investigation?
    Doesn’t take a genius to know that the official version is a lie, the truth covered up by our hero Mueller… original 9/11 commission members have said investigation was a sham, set up to fail.
    I’ve looked and haven’t found the answer. This is a question we should be asking all candidates.

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  • @John Gruskos
    Most of the commenters, both pro-MacDonald and anti-MacDonald, seem to agree that average IQ varies from people group to people group.

    The big disagreement is about whether ethnocentrism varies from people group to people group.

    The pro-MacDonald commenters say yes, ethnocentrism does vary from people group to people group, and Jews are one of the most ethnocentric people groups, while North European peoples tend to be among the least ethnocentric peoples.

    Most provocatively, the pro-MacDonald commenters insist that it is these differences in ethnocentrism, rather than differences in IQ, which explain Jewish over-representation in certain notorious groups - Bolsheviks, organized crime, white collar crime, "modern art", spies (Rosenbergs, Pollard) and their apologists, open borders activists, pornographers, welfare fraud, Hollywood, sexual revolution, opposition to Christianity in the public sphere, belligerent Russophobes, and the pseudo-scientific intellectual movements reviewed in Culture of Critique (Boasian anthropology, Freudian psychology, Frankfurt School sociology, etc.) - all explained by the particularistic (rather than universalistic) morality associated with high ethnocentrism: "Is it good for the Jews?", not "Is it good?"

    To my reading, the information presented in Ron Unz's Myth of American Meritocracy supports the pro-MacDonald view.

    To summarize bluntly, here are how various groups are represented in admissions to elite academia:

    Blacks, Hispanics - fairly represented with respect to share of population, over represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    Asians - over represented with respect to share of population, fairly represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    Jews - over represented with respect to share of population, and also over represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    White Gentiles - under represented with respect to share of population, and also under represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    This is exactly what MacDonald's theory of ethnocentrism would predict.

    Groups with medium ethnocentrism (Blacks, Hispanics, Asians) are able to ensure fair representation with respect to whichever metric is most favorable to their group.

    Groups with high ethnocentrism (Jews) are able to ensure over representation with respect to all metrics.

    Groups with low ethnocentrism (White Gentiles) are unable to ensure fair representation by any metric.

    “Asians – over represented with respect to share of population, fairly represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ”

    Perhaps fairly represented with respect to IQ, but certainly not fairly represented with respect to academic achievement as manifested by high school academics and SAT scores.

    And yes, I agree with the argument that student excellence depends on other factors in which Asians are notoriously weak: social interaction, teamwork and team building, creative problem solving, etc.

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  • @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    ...at one point, as I was researching it, I compared the Kaballah teachings with Freud’s id/ego/superego and found them remarkably similar.
     
    And come to think of it: both are remarkably similar to Plato's theory of a tripartite soul

    Maybe Plato was an archaeo-crypto elder of zion!

    Shivveeerrzzzzz (internet: that was sarcasm)

    Actually AFAIK it is believed, without contradiction, that Saadiah, Maimonides and, in particular, the Zoha, were all influenced by Plato’s tripartite soul (in Hebrew, nefesh (appetite, desire), ruah (spirit), and neshamah (reason)).

    My point, in context of where I made it back in the thread, was simply that Freud’s Jewishness profoundly influenced his work – as his influence came through the Zoha (Kabbalism), not Platonic philosophy. And not just in that regard, but in general, due to Jews’ profound hatred of and contempt for Christianity, Jewish intellectuals , particularly in the Frankfurt School but elsewhere too, worked feverishly to undermine Christianity and its principles and the corresponding “White identity” which had formed around it.

    That to me is why Freud’s Jewishness is a remarkable part of the story. Because his theories were utter fucking filthy garbage and he was a pathetic and filthy pervert. But he became famous precisely because his perversity undermined Christianity. If one day you sit down and list all of the “Jewish intellectuals” and their ideas, you will find, at least I have found, most of them spewed garbage, garbage which in many cases they themselves did not believe, but what they shared in common is espousing ideology which undermined Christianity and White identity. And this pattern has continued with “Jewish intellectuals” pretty consistently ever since. Yes, there is a very clear pattern. And one could even dub it – and we are full circle back to – a group evolutionary strategy based on undermining the unity of one’s competitors for power (a/k/a “divide and conquer”).

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  • @Frankie P
    Thank you for typing out that interesting exchange between Ford and Confas. It certainly focuses on some of the troubling actions of the organized American Jewish community as a whole, and Ford does NOT pussyfoot around with his feelings; he gets right down to it with strong, emotional language. I wonder if action will be taken to rescind his conversion for his ignoring the concept of omerta. An additional note of interest is one that Wally alludes to in his response to iffen, and that is the replies to your post by iffen and Wizard, both falling into the category of defenders of Israel and Jewish interests as a whole. The curious case of the dog that didn't bark. Neither address the pithy issues in the exchange between Ford and Confas, both deflect and dissemble with peripheral trivial issues, iffen critizing repeated postings of an excellent post (again without addressing the issues), and the Wiz wondering who the maven may be, when a cursory scrolling through earlier comments would yield copious evidence of Lot's eternal, stinky diarrhea.

    I do not consider Jew-baiting to be a “pithy” issue. I do comment on some of the anti-Semitic comments, but there are so many choices and so little time that I can’t get to all of them. I do not deflect nor dissemble with regard to Jews or Israel, although, I would if I thought it necessary.

    The maven is not the Wiz, but rather is Sam Shama who is currently out of the loop. (I suspect he is on a secret Mossad mission.)

    I do not defend all Israeli policies, just their right to exist like any other country. I defend American Jews from neo-Nazi pellet droppers and such.

    Lot is a very knowledgeable and thoughtful commenter.

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    Please tell us what "Jew-baiting" is.

    You should be very pleased to know that 'the Nazis' did not kill 6M Jews.

    Lot is a believer in the impossibly absurd.

    We challenge you and Lot to debate.

    No name calling level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
    CODOH main site here:
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    , @Frankie P
    I'm curious and puzzled as to how you can portray the civil exchange between Ford and Confas as "Jew-baiting", especially since they are both Jews and they are seriously discussing the influence of American Jewish groups on American society. It's almost as if you view the discussion of the influence of organized Jewish groups as Anti-semitism, even when it is two Jews discussing it.
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  • @Bardon Kaldian
    I don't see much new in Kevin MacDonald's response to Confas' critique (which is, by the way, too limited & ahistorical). MacDonald has just re-iterated his old claims:

    * Jews "follow group evolutionary strategy". He didn't prove that such a strategy exists at all, apart from a trivial observation that any human collective wants to preserve its identity & to thrive. No "strategy" in such a behavior.

    * also, the author's description of "Jewish movements" is non-verifiable & actually difficult to describe. From what I know of Marxism, psychoanalysis or Leninism- these were not "Jewish" movements, neither in intellectual genesis nor with regard to their proponents.
    What about other intellectual currents, prominent in 20th & 21st C? Do these movements or cultural currents qualify as "Jewish": anarchism, free-love leftism, Expressionism, Cubism, Dadaism, German phenomenology in philosophy, cultural critique (Derrida & Foucault following Heidegger), New Left with its post-1968 ideology, multiculturalism as ideology, Jungian archetypal psychology, New Age ideologies, radical Feminism, "New Atheism", evolutionary psychology, sociobiology, various schools of economics (Austrian, Chicago,..), structuralism in humanities, ..?
    I know next to nothing on Boasian anthropology, but I do know quite a lot about Communism & various branches of psychoanalysis, and I don't see how one can show these movement are "Jewish" in origin or history? For instance, except for being Austrian Jew, what is "Jewish" in early, Freudian variant of psychoanalysis? This "school" was a product of German culture during fin de siecle & the general knowledge of psychiatry during these times. What is "Jewish" in its structure, values or general trend, in its goals, or in its map of human psyche?

    * what about areas where ethnic Jews are over-represented in 20th & 21st fields: theoretical physics, all branches of mathematics, chess masters, computer science, violin virtuosi, philanthropists in arts & curators of museums, film directors & producers, ..? Are these areas somehow driven by Jewish interests, whether conscious or not? How can we ascertain this?

    Although I admire MacDonald's work in demolition of maudlin myth the core American Jewish community has over time built about it (eternal victims & universal humanitarians), I don't see his work as dispassionate analysis that would be close to even such a non-exact "science" as evolutionary psychology claims to be. With its broad sweep of generalizations, MacDonald's work on historical traits of Judaism (as culture) is not unlike other historiosophies, similar to St. Augustine, Gioacchino da Fiore, Hegel, Marx or Spengler.

    There are insights in these works- but they are basically an imaginative construction, not more.

    That said, I am sorry MacDonald's work had been basically ignored in academic community. In my opinion, not due to Jewish grip on intellectual discourse, but to dumbification of academia- there is not such thing as intellectual discourse anymore.

    “Is it good for the jews”. An ethic of the tribe so embedded in their culture, several Jewish authors employed it as a title for their books.. https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Is+it+good+for+the+jews

    As an aside though..note that Freud was a Jew, but apparently not a Zionist. Excerpted from a 1930 letter Freud wrote to Keren Hajessod (Dr. Chaim Koffler):

    I cannot do as you wish (sign a petition criticizing the 1929 Arab revolt) … Whoever wants to influence the masses must give them something rousing and inflammatory and my sober judgment of Zionism does not permit this….But, on the other hand, I do not think that Palestine could ever become a Jewish state, nor that the Christian and Islamic worlds would ever be prepared to have their holy places under Jewish care. It would have seemed more sensible to me to establish a Jewish homeland on a less historically-burdened land. But I know that such a rational viewpoint would never have gained the enthusiasm of the masses and the financial support of the wealthy.

    I concede with sorrow that the baseless fanaticism of our people is in part to be blamed for the awakening of Arab distrust. I can raise no sympathy at all for the misdirected piety which transforms a piece of a Herodian wall into a national relic, thereby offending the feelings of the natives.
    Now judge for yourself whether I, with such a critical point of view, am the right person to come forward as the solace of a people deluded by unjustified hope.

    Your obedient servant,

    Freud

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  • @Lot
    There are lots of people who proclaim they have the highest IQ in the world. Doesn't mean it is true.

    BYU is the single best college in a huge region. It is not comparable to UConn or CSULB.

    You all seem to confuse general rules (groundbreaking research doesn't come out of professors at places like Cal State Long Beach) with "Every smart person goes to a top college" which is obviously false and not something I said or implied.

    What a loser attempt to discredit ideas via snobbery. Are you fucking for real? It’s hard for me to comprehend someone could be such an utter condescending snob to close his mind to the idea that …. Wait, that’s not what you’re doing, you’re just a mouthpiece for the ruling class and your actual stupid fucking pathetic view point is, “if the idea is not sanctioned by the ruling class, it has no value”.

    My God is that pathetic.

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  • @utu

    my critique of Cochran and Harpending is here
     
    Anybody can explain Cochran? He seem to be obsessed with Jewish IQ and keeps pumping up the meme how smart Jews are. Did he at least do any new original testing to confirm values of Jewish IQ or just keeps repeating the old and dubious and mutually contradictory sources?

    Who pays for his "research"?

    Jewish IQ is not a problem.

    Heck even I’m above the mean IQ of an Askenazi Jew, whether it be 109 or 115!

    What matters is their culture, insofar as it inculcates loyalty to the Jewish nation before loyalty to the nation among whom Jews reside.

    Such a mentality inevitably leads to corporate behavior aimed at promoting Jews over non-Jews and treating non-Jews as inferior to Jews, as indeed the Jewish religion teaches and the secularized Jewish culture firmly inculcates in the minds of those that adhere to it.

    And in fact, this attitude of Jewish supremacism leads directly to genocidal policies against host nations as seen in Sweden today where a single Jewish family, the Bonniers control the media and bar criticism of their advocacy for mass replacement immigration. Thus:

    In 1993 the newspaper Expressen broke one of the great taboos of Swedish politics and published a rare opinion poll on the country’s actual views. Under the headline “Throw them out” the paper revealed that 63 percent of swedish people wanted immigrants to go back to their home countries. An accompanying article by the papers’s editor-in-chief Erik Mansson, noted that, “The Swedish people have a firm opinion on immigration and refugee policies. Those in power have the opposite opnion. It does not add up. It is an opinion bomb about to go off. That is why we are writing about this, starting today. Telling it just like it is. In black and white. Before the bomb goes off” As though to prove the point he was making, the only result of this opinion poll was that the owners of Expressen fired the Paper’s editor-in-chief.

    The Strange Death of Europe. Douglas Murray, 2017

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  • @geokat62
    I originally posted this comment under the Cofnas thread. I think it deserves to be reposted here.

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    Came across this terrific, but lengthy, interview by Luke Ford (someone with an Anglo-Saxon background who converted to Orthodox Judaism) of both Prof. Kevin MacDonald and PhD candidate Nathan Confas, the co-author of this article.

    https://youtu.be/ARhqt38bMZA

    Given the length of the video, I decided to transcribe what I consider to be the most interesting segment of the exchange between Ford and Confas, which begins at 20:40:33:

    Luke Ford – Is anti-Jewish sentiment always irrational?

    Nathan Cofnas – Ah (very long pause) in that general sense, I would say “no.” But a big deal of anti-Jewish sentiment is irrational.

    Luke Ford – Oh, for example, every major American Jewish organization promotes immigration amnesty. They want the 20 to 30 million people in this country here illegally – now, generally low IQ types – who are here in this country illegally, they want to grant them amnesty. And when they make their arguments, they never talk about what’s good for America. They talk about you know these lofty, philosophical, moral things. And so I see all the major Jewish organizations, and that includes the Orthodox Union and the Agudath Israel, they are trying to fill my bedroom with poisonous snakes. And so how do I feel about people who try to fill my bedroom with poisonous snakes? I don’t bother about differentiating, I just hate these organizations, and I hate the people who run them, and it’s just like passionate.. and I’m Jewish. So, what is the non-Jew going to think when they see every major American Jewish organization, you know, try to inject poison into the American bloodstream?

    Nathan Cofnas – That’s why, as I’ve argued publicly, I think organizations like the ADL are very bad for the Jews in that they are causing much more antisemitism then they’re preventing. In fact, I think they do nothing to prevent antisemitism, at all. I understand why people resent these organizations and why they might blame Jews. Because these organizations themselves pretend to speak on behalf of the Jewish community. So, a non-Jew could take them at their word and say “ok, you represent the Jewish community and you’re advocating something unreasonable”… and, maybe, Jews are unreasonable.

    Luke Ford – How much responsibility do ordinary Jews have that their leaders are hell bent by injecting poison into the American bloodstream?

    Nathan Cofnas – That’s an interesting ethical question. What kind of responsibility does a community have for collective action, the actions of its leaders? I think the Jewish community does have some responsibility to push back against these self-appointed leaders in a more public and aggressive way than we have. I think, insofar as we can be held collectively responsible for our actions, I think Jews have made mistakes in these areas.
     
    While this is pretty consistent with what I’ve been saying for quite some time, it’s refreshing to see someone from the Jewish community who is honest enough to admit this. Could you imagine our resident maven ever admitting to something like this? I couldn’t.

    Thank you for typing out that interesting exchange between Ford and Confas. It certainly focuses on some of the troubling actions of the organized American Jewish community as a whole, and Ford does NOT pussyfoot around with his feelings; he gets right down to it with strong, emotional language. I wonder if action will be taken to rescind his conversion for his ignoring the concept of omerta. An additional note of interest is one that Wally alludes to in his response to iffen, and that is the replies to your post by iffen and Wizard, both falling into the category of defenders of Israel and Jewish interests as a whole. The curious case of the dog that didn’t bark. Neither address the pithy issues in the exchange between Ford and Confas, both deflect and dissemble with peripheral trivial issues, iffen critizing repeated postings of an excellent post (again without addressing the issues), and the Wiz wondering who the maven may be, when a cursory scrolling through earlier comments would yield copious evidence of Lot’s eternal, stinky diarrhea.

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    I do not consider Jew-baiting to be a “pithy” issue. I do comment on some of the anti-Semitic comments, but there are so many choices and so little time that I can't get to all of them. I do not deflect nor dissemble with regard to Jews or Israel, although, I would if I thought it necessary.

    The maven is not the Wiz, but rather is Sam Shama who is currently out of the loop. (I suspect he is on a secret Mossad mission.)

    I do not defend all Israeli policies, just their right to exist like any other country. I defend American Jews from neo-Nazi pellet droppers and such.

    Lot is a very knowledgeable and thoughtful commenter.

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  • i have to challenge the premiere premise, that whiteness is an ethnicity. Most Europeans are wgite, b ut have no unique ethnic connection — skin color is a biological construct. There is nothing inherent to culture that could not exist is same or similar form if said population was green.

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  • @iffen
    But all those words! Think of the word count!

    You can do better than your jibes here. As to this one, surely Revusky is one of the most longwinded narcissists ever takung space on UR.

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  • @Ron Unz
    Well, the dueling Cofnas and MacDonald articles total about 30,000 words and since I'm busy with my own software work, I haven't read any of it. But glancing over some of the huge outpouring of comments, it looks like one important issue under debate is the question of Jewish IQ.

    A few years back, I published numerous articles and columns rather exhaustively dealing with exactly this contentious topic, along with IQ in general, and at least in my own mind, rather conclusively resolved important aspects of the puzzle. Since my writings generated enormous discussion at the time, including in the elite MSM, and this is my own website, where some of those articles have been prominently featured, one would think that most readers are aware of them. But I doubt that's the case, so here are a few of the more important links:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-iq-and-wealth/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-super-flynn-effects-in-germans-jews-and-hispanics/

    http://www.unz.com/author/ron-unz/topic/race-iq/?ItemOrder=ASC

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#the-strange-collapse-of-jewish-academic-achievement

    http://www.unz.com/author/ron-unz/topic/meritocracy/?ItemOrder=ASC

    Apparently, there's also some nitwit YouTube celebrity named Jordan Peterson ignorantly spouting off on this issue, seemingly without having done any serious investigation, so perhaps now is a good opportunity for trying to correct the public record regarding these important facts.

    And since this is my own website, I've taken the extreme liberty of duplicating this comment on both threads.

    OH WOW, Are you going to do the Jordan Peterson Personality Assessment Test? I seen one fella got a 100% Asshole.
    Is that all it takes, just go out and say “I’m not PC”, and insta fame on YouTube.
    Who has your data. :)

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  • Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra
    " Jews and Christians have never gotten along, "

    For me it is pretty probable that christianity was created by Paul, as secret agent of the Roman king, to destroy the jewish culture, after two large armies had destroyed jewry politically.
    Christianity was aimed at jews, a far more easy religion.
    This also explains that the bible begins with the jewish Torah.
    Alas propaganda often backfires, christianity destroyed the Roman empire.

    I scratch my head. Have you gone off your rocker? Or is this a very perverse kind of trolling? Are we finally to wake up to the real “jille dyxtra” phenomenon?

    Just two simple points You must know that there hadn’t been a Roman king for hundreds of years. And where was there evidence of Jewish communities outside Palestine which were sufficiently troublesome to the religiously tolerant Roman state that they had to be disrupted?

    BTW what do you think Paul’s dates were? After all those “two large armies” were decades, even generations, apart, were they not?

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    King indeed was a mistake, should have been emperor.
    About Paul
    Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, ‘Verschlusssache Jesus, Die Wahrheit über das frühe Christentum’, (The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception, 1991), 2005, Bergisch Gladbach
    Jews in the Roman empire
    Michael Grant, 'The Jews in the Roman World', 1973, New York
    Roman war in Palestine
    Flavius Josephus, ‘Geschichte des Jüdischen Krieges’, Wiesbaden, 1978
    Large army
    Yigael Yadin, ‘Massada, Hero’s fortress and the zealots’ last stand’, London 1996

    The murder on the emperor, it seems he took away jewish prerogatives.
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  • @CalDre

    This is worthless, a combination of antisemitism & Jewish ethnic projections. Do you really think that obscure & obscurantist articles amount to anything?
     
    Blah, blah, blah, blah, ad hominem garbage from a freaking arsehole. As to obscurity, one was from a Kaballah website (gee, I wonder how that is relevant), another from a popular Jewish website (gee, I wonder how that is relevant), and another from an ADL luminary (gee, suddenly ADL is "obscure, is it?). I can give you more sources, for example, NYU, or is that also "obscure"? What qualifies as "not obscure", does it have to be "mainstream" or it is false?

    Freud was clueless about Kabbalah
     
    Actually it is you who is clueless. I have provided numerous sources, including Jung, remarking on Freud's intimate familiarity with Kabbalism. And at one point, as I was researching it, I compared the Kaballah teachings with Freud's id/ego/superego and found them remarkably similar. So keep shouting about anti-Semitism and whatever else you want, it doesn't change the facts.

    before it became apparent that is was a sort of metaphysics
     
    Oh, so it just miraculously "became apparent" that it was ... mystical, i.e., Kabbalistic. Just by accident. Nothing to do with Freud being a Kabbalistic Jew. Hokey dokey, buddy.

    not a cartoon from conspiracy theories
     
    There's no conspiracy theory, but you are again attempting to use a censorship tool reserved for freaking clueless arseholes. I guess you can't help, what you are.

    And I've read Freud, and he is a charlatan idiot. Probably you want to fuck your mom while high on coke too, that is your issue, but do try to control yourself, will you?

    …at one point, as I was researching it, I compared the Kaballah teachings with Freud’s id/ego/superego and found them remarkably similar.

    And come to think of it: both are remarkably similar to Plato’s theory of a tripartite soul

    Maybe Plato was an archaeo-crypto elder of zion!

    Shivveeerrzzzzz (internet: that was sarcasm)

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    Actually AFAIK it is believed, without contradiction, that Saadiah, Maimonides and, in particular, the Zoha, were all influenced by Plato's tripartite soul (in Hebrew, nefesh (appetite, desire), ruah (spirit), and neshamah (reason)).

    My point, in context of where I made it back in the thread, was simply that Freud's Jewishness profoundly influenced his work - as his influence came through the Zoha (Kabbalism), not Platonic philosophy. And not just in that regard, but in general, due to Jews' profound hatred of and contempt for Christianity, Jewish intellectuals , particularly in the Frankfurt School but elsewhere too, worked feverishly to undermine Christianity and its principles and the corresponding "White identity" which had formed around it.

    That to me is why Freud's Jewishness is a remarkable part of the story. Because his theories were utter fucking filthy garbage and he was a pathetic and filthy pervert. But he became famous precisely because his perversity undermined Christianity. If one day you sit down and list all of the "Jewish intellectuals" and their ideas, you will find, at least I have found, most of them spewed garbage, garbage which in many cases they themselves did not believe, but what they shared in common is espousing ideology which undermined Christianity and White identity. And this pattern has continued with "Jewish intellectuals" pretty consistently ever since. Yes, there is a very clear pattern. And one could even dub it - and we are full circle back to - a group evolutionary strategy based on undermining the unity of one's competitors for power (a/k/a "divide and conquer").

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  • @Ron Unz
    Well, the dueling Cofnas and MacDonald articles total about 30,000 words and since I'm busy with my own software work, I haven't read any of it. But glancing over some of the huge outpouring of comments, it looks like one important issue under debate is the question of Jewish IQ.

    A few years back, I published numerous articles and columns rather exhaustively dealing with exactly this contentious topic, along with IQ in general, and at least in my own mind, rather conclusively resolved important aspects of the puzzle. Since my writings generated enormous discussion at the time, including in the elite MSM, and this is my own website, where some of those articles have been prominently featured, one would think that most readers are aware of them. But I doubt that's the case, so here are a few of the more important links:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-iq-and-wealth/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-super-flynn-effects-in-germans-jews-and-hispanics/

    http://www.unz.com/author/ron-unz/topic/race-iq/?ItemOrder=ASC

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#the-strange-collapse-of-jewish-academic-achievement

    http://www.unz.com/author/ron-unz/topic/meritocracy/?ItemOrder=ASC

    Apparently, there's also some nitwit YouTube celebrity named Jordan Peterson ignorantly spouting off on this issue, seemingly without having done any serious investigation, so perhaps now is a good opportunity for trying to correct the public record regarding these important facts.

    And since this is my own website, I've taken the extreme liberty of duplicating this comment on both threads.

    Most of the commenters, both pro-MacDonald and anti-MacDonald, seem to agree that average IQ varies from people group to people group.

    The big disagreement is about whether ethnocentrism varies from people group to people group.

    The pro-MacDonald commenters say yes, ethnocentrism does vary from people group to people group, and Jews are one of the most ethnocentric people groups, while North European peoples tend to be among the least ethnocentric peoples.

    Most provocatively, the pro-MacDonald commenters insist that it is these differences in ethnocentrism, rather than differences in IQ, which explain Jewish over-representation in certain notorious groups – Bolsheviks, organized crime, white collar crime, “modern art”, spies (Rosenbergs, Pollard) and their apologists, open borders activists, pornographers, welfare fraud, Hollywood, sexual revolution, opposition to Christianity in the public sphere, belligerent Russophobes, and the pseudo-scientific intellectual movements reviewed in Culture of Critique (Boasian anthropology, Freudian psychology, Frankfurt School sociology, etc.) – all explained by the particularistic (rather than universalistic) morality associated with high ethnocentrism: “Is it good for the Jews?”, not “Is it good?”

    To my reading, the information presented in Ron Unz’s Myth of American Meritocracy supports the pro-MacDonald view.

    To summarize bluntly, here are how various groups are represented in admissions to elite academia:

    Blacks, Hispanics – fairly represented with respect to share of population, over represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    Asians – over represented with respect to share of population, fairly represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    Jews – over represented with respect to share of population, and also over represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    White Gentiles – under represented with respect to share of population, and also under represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    This is exactly what MacDonald’s theory of ethnocentrism would predict.

    Groups with medium ethnocentrism (Blacks, Hispanics, Asians) are able to ensure fair representation with respect to whichever metric is most favorable to their group.

    Groups with high ethnocentrism (Jews) are able to ensure over representation with respect to all metrics.

    Groups with low ethnocentrism (White Gentiles) are unable to ensure fair representation by any metric.

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    "Asians – over represented with respect to share of population, fairly represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ"

    Perhaps fairly represented with respect to IQ, but certainly not fairly represented with respect to academic achievement as manifested by high school academics and SAT scores.

    And yes, I agree with the argument that student excellence depends on other factors in which Asians are notoriously weak: social interaction, teamwork and team building, creative problem solving, etc.
    , @annamaria
    "Most provocatively, the pro-MacDonald commenters insist that it is these differences in ethnocentrism, rather than differences in IQ, which explain Jewish over-representation in certain notorious groups – Bolsheviks, organized crime, white collar crime, “modern art”, spies (Rosenbergs, Pollard) and their apologists, open borders activists, pornographers, welfare fraud, Hollywood, sexual revolution, opposition to Christianity in the public sphere, belligerent Russophobes, and the pseudo-scientific intellectual movements reviewed in Culture of Critique (Boasian anthropology, Freudian psychology, Frankfurt School sociology, etc.) – all explained by the particularistic (rather than universalistic) morality associated with high ethnocentrism: “Is it good for the Jews?”, not “Is it good?”
    ---Agree. The question of Jewish ethnocentrism goes into the heart of moral values. “Is it good?" Interesting that the accomplished Mr. Cofnas has studiously avoided this aspect.
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  • @Ron Unz
    Well, the dueling Cofnas and MacDonald articles total about 30,000 words and since I'm busy with my own software work, I haven't read any of it. But glancing over some of the huge outpouring of comments, it looks like one important issue under debate is the question of Jewish IQ.

    A few years back, I published numerous articles and columns rather exhaustively dealing with exactly this contentious topic, along with IQ in general, and at least in my own mind, rather conclusively resolved important aspects of the puzzle. Since my writings generated enormous discussion at the time, including in the elite MSM, and this is my own website, where some of those articles have been prominently featured, one would think that most readers are aware of them. But I doubt that's the case, so here are a few of the more important links:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-iq-and-wealth/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-super-flynn-effects-in-germans-jews-and-hispanics/

    http://www.unz.com/author/ron-unz/topic/race-iq/?ItemOrder=ASC

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#the-strange-collapse-of-jewish-academic-achievement

    http://www.unz.com/author/ron-unz/topic/meritocracy/?ItemOrder=ASC

    Apparently, there's also some nitwit YouTube celebrity named Jordan Peterson ignorantly spouting off on this issue, seemingly without having done any serious investigation, so perhaps now is a good opportunity for trying to correct the public record regarding these important facts.

    And since this is my own website, I've taken the extreme liberty of duplicating this comment on both threads.

    Thanks Ron. I am not sure I have read all those linked articles though I often cite some.

    As I mentioned in reply to Fred Reed’s #23, I think, despite his usual curmudgeonly attitude to Darwinian selection, he is hanging on to the right tram wrt doubting the biology undetlying Kevin McDonald’s use of “Evolutionary”. But….

    Could there be a meme rather than gene version that gets over the absence of DNA from McDonald’s research (as I understand it perhaps from insufficient knowledge of his opus)? I have just looked up “meme” in Wikipedia and suspect that there is a demolition job waiting to be done by you when you can make time. Any chance?

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  • [For example, Zionism is a Jewish movement that, until the establishment of Israel, was not a majority view within the Jewish community. It was nevertheless influential (e.g., obtaining the Balfour Declaration, pressuring President Truman to recognize Israel).]

    This statement clarifies why having a majority of Jews being supportive of an ideology isn’t necessarily at issue one way or another. Before the Balfour Declaration and the defeat of the Germany/Ottoman Turks in WWI only a very small minority of Jews necessarily would’ve been privy to any back door dealings of men like Louis Brandeis who privately betrayed the interests of his nation and drug the USA into the war on Britain’s side. A majority of Jews necessarily weren’t zionists at this point.

    The point is that the World Zionist Organization understood well that once their plans had come to fruition with the destruction of Germany and the Turks, a great many Jews would repatriate and their comrades around the world would approve and be very supportive.

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  • @Frederick V. Reed
    The doctrine of evolutionary selection does not seem reliable, for Jews or anyone else. There exist genes for the intelligence of Hawking, the eyesight of Ted Williams, the strength, agility, and endurance of Mohamed Ali. These have not becomes common in the population, and indeed seem no more so than in classical antiquity. Either these traits do not contribute to fitness, or something is wrong with the whole enterprise. No? Which would make theories of evolutionary strategies—does evolution have strategies?--somewhat questionable.

    Fred, I think you off the usual beam wrt evolution snd natural selection but I was already looking for somewhere to express my puzzlement over Kevin McDonald’s interesting research having nothing about DNA and actual gene studies as far as I know so I have sympathy for the drift of your comment.

    Still I think you are in error in ignoring the logic which tells you that a number of genetic mutations become fixed and the alleles quite common because they improve fitness but that the combinations plus epigenetic factors and environmental contributions that produce thr Hawking or Williams or Muhammad Ali talents are rare. That doesn’t mean that the genes/alleles in question haven’t been selected because, in the relevant rnvironmental niche, they improved fitness.

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  • @Lot
    There are lots of people who proclaim they have the highest IQ in the world. Doesn't mean it is true.

    BYU is the single best college in a huge region. It is not comparable to UConn or CSULB.

    You all seem to confuse general rules (groundbreaking research doesn't come out of professors at places like Cal State Long Beach) with "Every smart person goes to a top college" which is obviously false and not something I said or implied.

    groundbreaking research doesn’t come out of professors at places like Cal State Long Beach

    But there’s no reason it can’t and it did. Just like there’s no reason an off-beat man who played jazz piano and taught high school in Jamaica can’t be brilliant and produce a great and groundbreaking work of scholarship. He is and he did. I would in fact argue that it’s precisely these sort of off-the-beaten-trail types who have the best shot at being true geniuses, not some smug conformist clique-ist in the Ivy League.

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  • @geokat62
    I originally posted this comment under the Cofnas thread. I think it deserves to be reposted here.

    ———————————

    Came across this terrific, but lengthy, interview by Luke Ford (someone with an Anglo-Saxon background who converted to Orthodox Judaism) of both Prof. Kevin MacDonald and PhD candidate Nathan Confas, the co-author of this article.

    https://youtu.be/ARhqt38bMZA

    Given the length of the video, I decided to transcribe what I consider to be the most interesting segment of the exchange between Ford and Confas, which begins at 20:40:33:

    Luke Ford – Is anti-Jewish sentiment always irrational?

    Nathan Cofnas – Ah (very long pause) in that general sense, I would say “no.” But a big deal of anti-Jewish sentiment is irrational.

    Luke Ford – Oh, for example, every major American Jewish organization promotes immigration amnesty. They want the 20 to 30 million people in this country here illegally – now, generally low IQ types – who are here in this country illegally, they want to grant them amnesty. And when they make their arguments, they never talk about what’s good for America. They talk about you know these lofty, philosophical, moral things. And so I see all the major Jewish organizations, and that includes the Orthodox Union and the Agudath Israel, they are trying to fill my bedroom with poisonous snakes. And so how do I feel about people who try to fill my bedroom with poisonous snakes? I don’t bother about differentiating, I just hate these organizations, and I hate the people who run them, and it’s just like passionate.. and I’m Jewish. So, what is the non-Jew going to think when they see every major American Jewish organization, you know, try to inject poison into the American bloodstream?

    Nathan Cofnas – That’s why, as I’ve argued publicly, I think organizations like the ADL are very bad for the Jews in that they are causing much more antisemitism then they’re preventing. In fact, I think they do nothing to prevent antisemitism, at all. I understand why people resent these organizations and why they might blame Jews. Because these organizations themselves pretend to speak on behalf of the Jewish community. So, a non-Jew could take them at their word and say “ok, you represent the Jewish community and you’re advocating something unreasonable”… and, maybe, Jews are unreasonable.

    Luke Ford – How much responsibility do ordinary Jews have that their leaders are hell bent by injecting poison into the American bloodstream?

    Nathan Cofnas – That’s an interesting ethical question. What kind of responsibility does a community have for collective action, the actions of its leaders? I think the Jewish community does have some responsibility to push back against these self-appointed leaders in a more public and aggressive way than we have. I think, insofar as we can be held collectively responsible for our actions, I think Jews have made mistakes in these areas.
     
    While this is pretty consistent with what I’ve been saying for quite some time, it’s refreshing to see someone from the Jewish community who is honest enough to admit this. Could you imagine our resident maven ever admitting to something like this? I couldn’t.

    Forgive me if I’am being dim or lazy but who is “our resident maven”?

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  • @jilles dykstra
    " Jews and Christians have never gotten along, "

    For me it is pretty probable that christianity was created by Paul, as secret agent of the Roman king, to destroy the jewish culture, after two large armies had destroyed jewry politically.
    Christianity was aimed at jews, a far more easy religion.
    This also explains that the bible begins with the jewish Torah.
    Alas propaganda often backfires, christianity destroyed the Roman empire.

    No.
    Why Jesus was kicking over the tables of the money lenders way before anyone was a “Christian”, and their children conscripted for war while the money lenders, ancestors of Mamnet, played with the accounts of Kings, based on their professed chosen-ness, by God. Just what I heard, a sparrow told me. ha ha

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  • so much yakkity -yak about IQ. How high an IQ does one have to possess to learn how to tie one’s shoelaces?

    Figuring out the jews requires a few more IQ points than learning to tie one’s shoes, granted.

    What I keep on going on about is the religious factor, which nobody wants to address. Now maybe that takes higher IQ than figuring out the jews . Elementary but the bias of secular intellectuals is to overlook the religious.

    Jews are the foundation of Christianity and are our sacred cows…go to any church and see what the readings are…always from both OT and NT. Does the rabbi read from the NT….?

    Trump can reverse himself and hire Bolton, etc. Trump is the newest member of the neocons, and the jews win again. Impeach Trump

    Hello?

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    "so much yakkity -yak about IQ."

    Agreed, this makes my little gentile brain hurt...
    Anyone know Macdonald and Nehlans stance on a real 9/11 investigation?
    Doesn't take a genius to know that the official version is a lie, the truth covered up by our hero Mueller... original 9/11 commission members have said investigation was a sham, set up to fail.
    I've looked and haven't found the answer. This is a question we should be asking all candidates.
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  • @Max Denken
    Thank you. I didn't like Auster's personality, but so what? He was the American Socrates; opened more American eyes in the special, pithy way of his than anyone else I can think of. Of course, written off by the Streicher-Yockey-Weber-Linder-MacDonald-Sunic crowd because of his tainted DNA.

    Among many others, I've published a total of 5 essays with some comments about Jews, always negative but carefully and judiciously so. In each case I disclosed, to be fair, that I am part Jewish and that my parents were victims of the Holocausts (pl). You have no idea what stream of insult and obloquy outpoured in the comments section of each of those, usually of the sort that I am a joojoojoo doing PR work for the joos and my jooing won't joo the white people. These keepers of the purity of the race are such morons that they are several levels below Adolf himself. As as a mischlinge and a born Catholic, I'd qualify enough as a German to be drafted to the 3rd Reich Wehrmacht, but for these people my arguments are tainted because I am a joo. I must say, my respect for his intellect notwithstanding, that Dr. MacDonald has resorted to this kind of blanket dismissal of blood-tainted critics in probably more than Pinker, Auster, and one other case I know of.

    said:
    “my parents were victims of the Holocausts”

    Really? Then show us the proof.

    This should be good.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  • @jilles dykstra
    Freud was of course right about the subconscious, what w're conscious of is a very small part of what goes on in our head.
    Our head is, seen in evolution, a weird collection of very old, old and new parts, often in conflict with one another.
    His great accomplishment was to regard those at the time seen as just crazy or so as human beings with with an illness.
    Very few people still believe in psychoanalysis as an effective therapy.
    His followers I knew in the Netherlands reminded me of a religious sect.
    What Freud did not know, could not know, is how in our head chemo electrical processes determine our thoughts, deepest feelings, of which we most of the time are not aware.
    The conscious I see as a means to check outcomes, on consistency, fitting into society, etc.
    Had Freud been alive, he would be flabbergasted to see how small quantities of chemicals can change our thoughts.

    “Had Freud been alive, he would be flabbergasted to see how small quantities of chemicals can change our thoughts.”

    I think that Freud was aware of chemical influence on the mind. He promoted cocaine use for his “patients”.

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  • @anon
    Nathan,

    6/8 of Sweden's largest "morning" and "evening" newspapers are owned by families with significant Jewish heritage (Hjorne and Bonnier). The other 2/8 by "foreign banks."

    See these comments:
    comment 1
    comment 2
    comment 3
    It doesn't require an "ad hoc" explanation to understand how Jewish families have tremendous influence in Sweden despite their small numbers*: “How is it that your royal family is as powerful as my royal family, when my royal family has twice as many members? Incon-theivable!”

    Also, are Germans maybe stricken by Holocaust guilt?

    * * *

    Cofnas, I've been trying to find good *primary* sources on Ashkenazi IQ and I'm having a hard time. The sources I have found give estimates all over the map. Maybe you are familiar with such sources, esp., since Jewish intelligence is referenced in your paper.

    See, for example, this table. The studies with the largest sample sizes are Backman and Shuey (1236 and 764) and the IQ scores listed are 107.8 and "1.2 below the white mean."**
    Also, this blogger estimated the Jewish IQ to be 102
    by averaging a set of scores. You could argue that they should have been weighted and summed differently, but it begs the questions: how and why? Also, is this comment true?: “I learned that most studies of American Jews are not very representative, because samples are often drawn just from New York city or from children in Orthodox schools.” I often see the number 115 quoted for Ashkenazi IQ. I wonder where 115 is coming from? Perhaps a cherry picking of the highest-end estimate.

    And, if the Jewish IQ advantage were genetic in origin, why does the only data we have on Jewish brain size, discussed by Maurice Fishberg, suggest that their brains are smaller than white Gentile brains by 2 cubic inches? You could note that Cochran provides evidence of heterozygote advantage for Tay-Sachs-like diseases, but the Irish also have a high rate of Tay-Sachs. Are they known for their high IQs?

    * Jews are less than 0.5% of Sweden's population
    ** The highest score is actually an estimate by MacDonald (117), but he also says that he defers to Lynn on this data, and I believe Lynn's estimate to currently be around 111, but I don't know how he came to that number, because I don't have his raw data.

    “Also, are Germans maybe stricken by Holocaust guilt?”

    But they shouldn’t be. There was no ’6M Jews’ except in the sick minds of dishonest Jews …. from at least 1823.

    Jews have been marketing the ’6,000,000′ lie since at least 1823:

    https://imgur.com/a/0LFFF

    and:
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php
    http://www.codoh.com

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  • @Max Denken
    You are foaming at the mouth as you people usually do. I have no time for this level of discourse. Until you and yours sober up, you have forfeited the legitimacy of the JQ issues you care about, some of which are valid, important and worthy of a wide public debate. You do not serve your cause well.

    That is so typical of you, Max. When you find a person’s comment unanswerable, you accuse him of foaming at the mouth. Now you get to stomp away in a huff, trailing your little blankie and sucking madly at your little binkie.

    That infantile tactic is the only one you have once your pretense of erudition is exposed.

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  • @Liza
    @Bardon. About the overrepresentation of jewz as violin virtuosi. A nonjew, nonasian, ie, a white person, could play like Paganini himself, but whether we know of such a person or not depends on who owns and runs the recording companies, and who is heavily influential in the symphony orchestras and so on. And that is one reason why there appear to be an outlandish number of jews playing classical violin and other classical instruments. In any case, their playing of western music on western instruments is a serious case of cultural appropriation.

    ” In any case, their playing of western music on western instruments is a serious case of cultural appropriation.”

    Maybe not. They are almost all of European descent without a trace of Semitic ancestry. That was a funny dig you made, though. ;-)

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  • @Amasius
    The man with the world's highest IQ is a bar bouncer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy7BhXlMm_8

    I don't think he's jewish, either! Must be faking it!

    The man with the second highest IQ, possibly the highest, writes for television and stayed in high school for ten years.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=lcDfoo76dKY

    But he is jewish, so we know his IQ score is the real deal at least.

    This goy retard didn't even go to college:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Carlsen

    Lancaster, PA's Brad Rutter went to.... Johns Hopkins PFFFFFFFFT and dropped out LOL PFFFFFFT

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIJGX5riedQ

    Clearly only won 4.5 million dollars on jeopardy because the goy writers were feeding him the answers. Same goes for Ken "Brigham Young PFFFFT" Jennings and his 74-game run.

    Imagine if any of these guys had to go against someone who went to Princeton in their respective disciplines.

    There are lots of people who proclaim they have the highest IQ in the world. Doesn’t mean it is true.

    BYU is the single best college in a huge region. It is not comparable to UConn or CSULB.

    You all seem to confuse general rules (groundbreaking research doesn’t come out of professors at places like Cal State Long Beach) with “Every smart person goes to a top college” which is obviously false and not something I said or implied.

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    groundbreaking research doesn’t come out of professors at places like Cal State Long Beach
     
    But there's no reason it can't and it did. Just like there's no reason an off-beat man who played jazz piano and taught high school in Jamaica can't be brilliant and produce a great and groundbreaking work of scholarship. He is and he did. I would in fact argue that it's precisely these sort of off-the-beaten-trail types who have the best shot at being true geniuses, not some smug conformist clique-ist in the Ivy League.
    , @CalDre
    What a loser attempt to discredit ideas via snobbery. Are you fucking for real? It's hard for me to comprehend someone could be such an utter condescending snob to close his mind to the idea that .... Wait, that's not what you're doing, you're just a mouthpiece for the ruling class and your actual stupid fucking pathetic view point is, "if the idea is not sanctioned by the ruling class, it has no value".

    My God is that pathetic.
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  • @edward smith
    'I had to post this, addressed to their apparent chieftain:

    “By mixing your crazy shit into legitimate, truthful criticism of Jewish influence, acts and utterances, you are poisoning the whole kettle of soup. You are doing for it what the “Jews won’t replace us” crowd did for the white cause in Charlottesville. You could not be more effective if you were a Black Ops unit of ZOA or ADL– and perhaps that’s what you are. Go elsewhere, Nazi or false flag Nazi scum. It’s a free country, you can wear svastika armbands, you can hold your own demonstrations, but don’t sabotage it for the rest of us.”'

    Yup.Ok.Excellent. Just as Lot has been trying to do in another part of the comments you are keen to taint Macdonald and his work by association. What the genius wannabe gatekeepers of this comment section have forgotten to take into account however is that *Macdonald's critique has been around for 20 years*. Where were all of these concerned observers/concern trolls during the two decades Macdonald had to build up his influence, add to his trilogy, start two online journals and become a major factor in alternative politics/ culture.

    Its almost like ignoring him didnt work so now he must be anathematised for the good of the anti-immigration movement-after 20 years!

    Lol

    you guys can do better than this.

    “you guys can do better than this.”

    No, they can’t. Max has tried here a few times and always bogs down in 500+ word comments where a single sentence would better state what he’s trying to say.

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  • @anonomy
    The Jews aren't the people displacing the whites and whites seem quite happy to have themselves displaced. Along with the fact that no one is allowed to move themselves away from anyone who wishes to be next to them, no freedom of movement or associations. The majority of Jews are atheists but ride the tide of God's chosen even though they don't believe in God. Obviously God must be a white Goy. They will be displaced too based on how small their population is already, they will probably go Asian rather than African, all in due time, you know, "you reap what you sow",
    Jews and Christians have never gotten along, but good propaganda and public relations after WWII saw a change in how people thought. I can't imagine how many times they had to rewrite the bible, must have been exhausting. For all their intelligence, they wrote the test, they really aren't any smarter.

    ” Jews and Christians have never gotten along, ”

    For me it is pretty probable that christianity was created by Paul, as secret agent of the Roman king, to destroy the jewish culture, after two large armies had destroyed jewry politically.
    Christianity was aimed at jews, a far more easy religion.
    This also explains that the bible begins with the jewish Torah.
    Alas propaganda often backfires, christianity destroyed the Roman empire.

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    No.
    Why Jesus was kicking over the tables of the money lenders way before anyone was a "Christian", and their children conscripted for war while the money lenders, ancestors of Mamnet, played with the accounts of Kings, based on their professed chosen-ness, by God. Just what I heard, a sparrow told me. ha ha
    , @Anon
    I scratch my head. Have you gone off your rocker? Or is this a very perverse kind of trolling? Are we finally to wake up to the real "jille dyxtra" phenomenon?

    Just two simple points You must know that there hadn't been a Roman king for hundreds of years. And where was there evidence of Jewish communities outside Palestine which were sufficiently troublesome to the religiously tolerant Roman state that they had to be disrupted?

    BTW what do you think Paul's dates were? After all those "two large armies" were decades, even generations, apart, were they not?

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  • @CalDre

    Zoroastrians, older religionists than Jews, still exist too
     
    True, it is one of the exceptions. I don't know that much about the roughly 200,000 contemporary adherents, but what is obvious is that the vast majority of Persians converted to Islam, and only a relatively small percentage remained Zoroastrians. Can the same be said of Jews? Also the Parsis do and did view themselves in strong ethnocentric terms - forbidding intermarriage, for example, and forming ghettos. But, unlike Jews, only a few communities remain; whereas Jews maintained hundreds of self-segregated communities throughout the Diaspora. While there are some similarities, the Jewish case is greatly more exaggerated in terms of powerful ethnocentrism.

    The Chinese, who are ca. 3500 years old as a culture still exist, both in & out of China.
     
    Chinese have been the majority in their society for 3,500 years. Hence it does not address my point about failure to assimilate. And of course Chinese do not lack a strong ethnocentricity.

    ” and only a relatively small percentage remained Zoroastrians. Can the same be said of Jews? ”

    I suppose so.
    ‘Jews. The essence and character of a people’, Arthur Herzberg and Aron Hirt-Manheimer, HarperSanFrancisco, 1998
    asserts, alas without argument or source, that just thirteen percent of those who could have remained jews chose to do this.

    A good example are the parents of Richard Feynman, only later in life he found out that his parents were, had been, jews.
    Jagdish Mehra, ‘The Beat of a Different Drum, The Life and Science of Richard Feynman’, Oxford 1994

    Klaus Hödl, ‘Als Bettler in die Leopoldstadt, Galizische Juden auf dem Weg nach Wien’, Wien, 1994
    writes that rabbis were against emigration, as many saw this as the way to escape the oppressive jewish society.

    J.G. Burg, Schuld und Schicksal, Europas Juden zwischen Henkern und Heuchlern, München, 1962
    describes how jews were more or less forced to emigration to Palestine after WWII.
    He had great trouble in escaping from Israel.

    Hjalmar Schacht, ´76 Jahre meines Lebens’, Bad Wörishofen, 1953
    flying back from India where he had give economic advice, Schacht’s plane unexpectedly made a stopover in Tel Aviv.
    He had to leave the plane, and was recognized by German waiters, who said to him how they regretted having left Germany.
    Afterwards the Israeli government was furious that nobody had reported his presence, they would have arrested him.

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  • Well, the dueling Cofnas and MacDonald articles total about 30,000 words and since I’m busy with my own software work, I haven’t read any of it. But glancing over some of the huge outpouring of comments, it looks like one important issue under debate is the question of Jewish IQ.

    A few years back, I published numerous articles and columns rather exhaustively dealing with exactly this contentious topic, along with IQ in general, and at least in my own mind, rather conclusively resolved important aspects of the puzzle. Since my writings generated enormous discussion at the time, including in the elite MSM, and this is my own website, where some of those articles have been prominently featured, one would think that most readers are aware of them. But I doubt that’s the case, so here are a few of the more important links:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-iq-and-wealth/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-super-flynn-effects-in-germans-jews-and-hispanics/

    http://www.unz.com/author/ron-unz/topic/race-iq/?ItemOrder=ASC

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#the-strange-collapse-of-jewish-academic-achievement

    http://www.unz.com/author/ron-unz/topic/meritocracy/?ItemOrder=ASC

    Apparently, there’s also some nitwit YouTube celebrity named Jordan Peterson ignorantly spouting off on this issue, seemingly without having done any serious investigation, so perhaps now is a good opportunity for trying to correct the public record regarding these important facts.

    And since this is my own website, I’ve taken the extreme liberty of duplicating this comment on both threads.

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    Thanks Ron. I am not sure I have read all those linked articles though I often cite some.

    As I mentioned in reply to Fred Reed's #23, I think, despite his usual curmudgeonly attitude to Darwinian selection, he is hanging on to the right tram wrt doubting the biology undetlying Kevin McDonald's use of "Evolutionary". But....

    Could there be a meme rather than gene version that gets over the absence of DNA from McDonald's research (as I understand it perhaps from insufficient knowledge of his opus)? I have just looked up "meme" in Wikipedia and suspect that there is a demolition job waiting to be done by you when you can make time. Any chance?

    , @John Gruskos
    Most of the commenters, both pro-MacDonald and anti-MacDonald, seem to agree that average IQ varies from people group to people group.

    The big disagreement is about whether ethnocentrism varies from people group to people group.

    The pro-MacDonald commenters say yes, ethnocentrism does vary from people group to people group, and Jews are one of the most ethnocentric people groups, while North European peoples tend to be among the least ethnocentric peoples.

    Most provocatively, the pro-MacDonald commenters insist that it is these differences in ethnocentrism, rather than differences in IQ, which explain Jewish over-representation in certain notorious groups - Bolsheviks, organized crime, white collar crime, "modern art", spies (Rosenbergs, Pollard) and their apologists, open borders activists, pornographers, welfare fraud, Hollywood, sexual revolution, opposition to Christianity in the public sphere, belligerent Russophobes, and the pseudo-scientific intellectual movements reviewed in Culture of Critique (Boasian anthropology, Freudian psychology, Frankfurt School sociology, etc.) - all explained by the particularistic (rather than universalistic) morality associated with high ethnocentrism: "Is it good for the Jews?", not "Is it good?"

    To my reading, the information presented in Ron Unz's Myth of American Meritocracy supports the pro-MacDonald view.

    To summarize bluntly, here are how various groups are represented in admissions to elite academia:

    Blacks, Hispanics - fairly represented with respect to share of population, over represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    Asians - over represented with respect to share of population, fairly represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    Jews - over represented with respect to share of population, and also over represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    White Gentiles - under represented with respect to share of population, and also under represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    This is exactly what MacDonald's theory of ethnocentrism would predict.

    Groups with medium ethnocentrism (Blacks, Hispanics, Asians) are able to ensure fair representation with respect to whichever metric is most favorable to their group.

    Groups with high ethnocentrism (Jews) are able to ensure over representation with respect to all metrics.

    Groups with low ethnocentrism (White Gentiles) are unable to ensure fair representation by any metric.

    , @anonomy
    OH WOW, Are you going to do the Jordan Peterson Personality Assessment Test? I seen one fella got a 100% Asshole.
    Is that all it takes, just go out and say "I'm not PC", and insta fame on YouTube.
    Who has your data. :)
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  • @Vinteuil
    So who do you think lovers of the violin repertoire should have been listening to, instead of Joseph Joachim, Fritz Kreisler, Josef Szigeti, Jascha Heifetz, Yehudi Menuhin, David Oistrakh, Itzhak Perlman - &c.?

    Lovers of the violin can listen to anyone they like, I do not say otherwise. For everyone on your list there’s probably a dozen of the nonjewish variety who was never promoted and publicized to the same degree, though there are several. Also, most famous does not necessarily equal the best in any field of music.

    I have attended concerts where the concertmaster was every bit as competent as any solo star but for some reason you have never heard of them. I have attended music competitions where the losers were better than the winner.

    Read up on how difficult it was for Zino Francescatti (whose concerts I’ve attended a few times) to get a job as a soloist.

    Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why there are so many rich, highly successful rap “stars”? Is this “music” worthy in your eyes? Can you grasp the idea of heavy promotion?

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  • Widespread “Jew awareness” is an absolutely healthy immunological element of a culture or society, particularly in Eurasia and the Americas. This does not imply anything like irrational hatred or a blanket condemnation of all, or even most Jews. It is merely a recognition of the historically verifiable fact that whenever the influence of the Jews reaches anything like critical mass, decline, decay, impoverishment, corruption and collapse are usually inevitable.

    Today, EU and US officialdom are in absolute thralldom to the kosher editorial control of the mass media, which is overwhelmingly in the hands of Jews. Who can dispute this? When was the last time a Senator or member of Congress made even a mention of Jewish influence and survived in a political sense? When was the last time any prominent public official in the US acknowledged that the relationship between the US and Israel was a lopsided and parasitical one and managed to keep their job? When was the last time any major figure in the media or on the national political scene mentioned the overwhelming and toxic influence of Jews on their host culture via their control of Hollywood and the entertainment industry?

    The professional “anti-anti-Semites” are simply canaries in the deep hole of public awareness. Unlike the real canaries, whose purpose is to protect the miners from deadly fumes, their job is precisely the opposite- to protect themselves and their own collective from the public receiving a whiff of oxygenated truth.

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  • The doctrine of evolutionary selection does not seem reliable, for Jews or anyone else. There exist genes for the intelligence of Hawking, the eyesight of Ted Williams, the strength, agility, and endurance of Mohamed Ali. These have not becomes common in the population, and indeed seem no more so than in classical antiquity. Either these traits do not contribute to fitness, or something is wrong with the whole enterprise. No? Which would make theories of evolutionary strategies—does evolution have strategies?–somewhat questionable.

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    Fred, I think you off the usual beam wrt evolution snd natural selection but I was already looking for somewhere to express my puzzlement over Kevin McDonald's interesting research having nothing about DNA and actual gene studies as far as I know so I have sympathy for the drift of your comment.

    Still I think you are in error in ignoring the logic which tells you that a number of genetic mutations become fixed and the alleles quite common because they improve fitness but that the combinations plus epigenetic factors and environmental contributions that produce thr Hawking or Williams or Muhammad Ali talents are rare. That doesn't mean that the genes/alleles in question haven't been selected because, in the relevant rnvironmental niche, they improved fitness.
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  • @iffen
    I think it deserves to be reposted here.

    Where would the world be if compulsive copy and pasters didn't think that their copied material shouldn't be pasted as many times and in as many places as possible?

    IOW, you cannot refute what he posted . LOL

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  • @Anonymous
    The average IQ in Israel is 95.

    The average IQ in the UK is 100.

    Taking into account that the percentage of non-whites in the UK (~20%) is similar to the percentage of Palestinians in Israel, it looks like the UK whites are 5 IQ points smarter that the Israeli Jews.

    But maybe not. Let's assume that the UK non-whites - coming from the World's premier shit-holes and gestating in the soft underbelly of the UK welfare system - are actually 100 IQ achievers. Let's assume that only the Palestinians are "dragging" the Jewish numbers. Well, if the Palestinians have an average IQ of 83.5 (Syria: 83, Jordan: 84) the Jews are still scoring only 98. So - not only are the Jews not smarter than everyone else - it looks like they're lagging behind both East Asians and the whites.

    BTW, the IQ results above are coming from Richard Lynn - the guy who published "The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement" and started the "110 Ashkenazi IQ" ball rolling. It's interesting that the 3 million Ashkenazi Jews in Israel couldn't shine the way they were supposed to.

    The study that gives Jews the highest score, is a simple vocab test. The studies that give them lower scores test a bunch of different things.
     
    A vocab test, eh? That's exactly what I would use to juice the numbers of a group that's massively overrepresented in terms of Higher Education attendance. That's not intelligence, but it's useful when the Goyim start asking stupid questions about their place in the world. After all, only the smartest and the chosenest ones should run the ultra-high IQ sectors like the Western MSM, Hollywood, porn and politics.

    In other news: (((Harwey Weinstein))) is, apparently not a paragon of culture, like we were led to believe. He was thanked more times than God at the Academy Awards but it didn't help. Let us hope that the only person in front of him, (((Steven Spielberg))), can make it all better.

    Richard Lynn – the guy who published “The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement” and started the “110 Ashkenazi IQ” ball rolling

    It is the shabbos goys who are doing the job of spreading the gospel of Jewish HBD supremacy: Lynn, Murray, Cochran, Sailer, Peterson with some help of Jews like Harris and Pinker. The meme is going mainstream and is there to help the masses understand that their masters are there because of immutable universal laws established by IQ sacred science and nothing can be done about it except to submit to masters. But masters are not cruel and let whites having some consolation with that their IQ is higher than that of blacks. The consoling goes 24/7 at VDare and iSteve with occasional reminding how smart our masters are.

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    True. We can only hope that one of them (Kevin MacDonald, maybe) decides to purchase some mineral supplements and tackles this ridiculous propaganda.

    The Jews are only a tiny, 2% minority in the US, so even if we take the 110 (Ashkenazi) IQ claim at face value (lol) the US whites would outnumber them more than 15 to 1 in the number of 110+ IQ people. Gosh, Nathan Cofnas might not be so smart after all. His "default hypothesis" - a.k.a. "we're just that clever, goy" - can't explain anything. He needs to think bigger. I'd go with a 210 IQ number next time.
    , @phil
    "It is the shabbos goys who are doing the job of spreading the gospel of Jewish HBD supremacy: Lynn, Murray, Cochran, Sailer, Peterson..."

    Are you sure that Steve Sailer is a goy?
    , @phil
    "The meme is going mainstream and is there to help the masses understand that their masters are there because of immutable universal laws established by IQ sacred science and nothing can be done about it except to submit to masters."

    This is, of course, irresponsible rhetoric. The point is simply that, on average, blacks are less intelligent and are therefore likely earn less than other major racial groups. It is now generally accepted amongst labor economists--Roland Fryer is a good example--that a lack of cognitive ability is the #1 factor causing the earnings of blacks to languish. Fryer has occasionally fallen for "Harlem education miracles" and the like, and James Heckman has looked to comprehensive pre-school education to close "the gap", but the gap remains. "IQ theories," like other theories, are never really proven. They just haven't been convincingly falsified, at least for the time being. No one really knows where average black genotypic IQ lies. Heiner Rindermann's recent estimate is 93.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    But masters are not cruel and let whites having some consolation with that their IQ is higher than that of blacks.
     
    A consolation prize! Gosh darn it! How positively white of them!

    Say, I was wondering. Easter is nearly upon us and we are awaiting the arrival of the Easter Bunny. Santa Claus comes at Christmastime.

    So what time of the year does the IQ Fairy make her rounds?
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