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    American conservative writer Steve Sailer has written a balanced critique of what is widely termed the Rhodes/Milner ‘secret society’, ‘Milner’s Kindergarten’, or the ‘Round Table Group’ among ‘conspiracy theorists’.[1] Mr. Sailer provides an objective examination that is often missing, especially from American writers. The review is based on Carroll Quigley’s 1949 book The Anglo-American Establishment,...
  • @Hrw-500
    It could be interesting to wonder what if Carroll Quigley had lived a bit longer, if he could had written more on the subject?

    On a off-topic sidenote, I spotted some links who talk of various conspiration theories about the assassination of Hendrik Verwoerd, who was prime minister of South Africa, in 1966 on the following blogs.
    http://hendrikverwoerd.blogspot.ca/p/conspiracy.html
    http://gumshoenews.com/2015/04/15/1960s-assassinations-dr-hendrik-verwoerd-vs-john-f-kennedy-and-rfk/
    http://drvitelli.typepad.com/providentia/2008/12/the-verwoerd-assassination.html
    as well as on these books like "Unfinished Business: South Africa Apartheid and Truth" and "Really inside BOSS: A tale of South Africa's late intelligence service".

    http://drvitelli.typepad.com/providentia/2008/12/the-verwoerd-assassination.html

    Looks like that link don’t work anymore, but there a archived copy located on Archive.is.

    https://archive.is/7fDWV

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  • […] hinaus hätte ich von K.R. Bolton eine Erwiderung auf den Artikel, den Sailer vorlegte, und zwar hier unter dem Titel “Alfred Milner and His ‘Group’ – Some Myths About the ‘Anglo-American […]

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  • @Deduction
    Yet no-one can answer what these people supposedly want...

    It is certainly not fame haha.

    For a group that is supposed to be a SD smarter than any other group, it sure as hell is taking them a long time to accomplish whatever objectives that do have in mind.

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  • @Peter Grafström
    The british elites were double natured. That is why they were able to fool everybody and later repeat the tricks and fool everybody again in WWII. The word honour has no applicability. Illusionism would be more fitting. But they are good actors. Like the commenter Levantine I recommend Docherty & Macgregors book and website for a wealth of examples.
    Mr Bolton correctly observes that the americans didnt seriously fight the bolsheviks. But omits that neither did the british. They even deliberately sabotaged the white side. They sent useless equipment and when they were set to use french tanks, which unlike the british, were fine, they refused to move to the frontline saying tanks are for frightening the enemy from a long distance not for taking part in battles.
    Source: A novel by A Kuprin, an eye witness from outside Petersburg in 1919.
    [The title was The Dome of st Isaac of Dalmatia, ch. XVIII, retreat (1928) (in russian)]
    Officially blame was put on british workers for having refused to take part in the shipments to the enemy of the reds. But of course the elites would have had no difficulty in circumventing that obstacle.
    Very important in connection with the angloamerican support for socialism of all kinds is the Fabian society, discussed by Quigley, who outlines that it was intended for the control of all progressives. However it went deeper. One might even view it as the origin of the CFR and all its siblings RIIA and a host of others, since the Fabians had the same imperialistic aim as those later organizations. And Fabianism aimed to extend the hold on people knowing marxism ( also developed under protection of the british) alone couldnt.
    Ioan Ratiu, The Milner Fabian conspiracy (2013) explains more about these interrelated elite groupings.
    Pierre de Villemareste, Facts and Chronicles denied to the public, vol2, The Secrets of Bilderberg (2004 ) - (fr original from 2003)
    explains how the Bilderbergs was intended to counter the antisocialist tendencies to keep everybody aligned in the march towards world government.
    This topic is extremely subtle and the difficulty of telling the different genres of socialists appart caused problems for some conservative critics like Mr Bolton mentions.
    Senator Mccarthy was not paranoid, there was massive influence of leftleaning people but it wasnt Moscow's conspiracy, the angloamerican establishment was behind it in the shape of the Fabians. David Rockefeller was one and even wrote a positively held treatise on socialism.
    In order to determine whether or not it is a jewish conspiracy, it will be necessary to know whether or not the freemasons are separate from the jews or dominated by them at the top level.
    There is no doubt that the freemasonic networks acted on behalf of the bankers. And that the freemasons took the decision to force the destruction of tsarrussia.
    Milner was a 33rd degree. That level is supposed to communicate internationally among lodges and in those days also said to have the maxim 'permanent revolution'

    Yet no-one can answer what these people supposedly want…

    It is certainly not fame haha.

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    For a group that is supposed to be a SD smarter than any other group, it sure as hell is taking them a long time to accomplish whatever objectives that do have in mind.
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  • The british elites were double natured. That is why they were able to fool everybody and later repeat the tricks and fool everybody again in WWII. The word honour has no applicability. Illusionism would be more fitting. But they are good actors. Like the commenter Levantine I recommend Docherty & Macgregors book and website for a wealth of examples.
    Mr Bolton correctly observes that the americans didnt seriously fight the bolsheviks. But omits that neither did the british. They even deliberately sabotaged the white side. They sent useless equipment and when they were set to use french tanks, which unlike the british, were fine, they refused to move to the frontline saying tanks are for frightening the enemy from a long distance not for taking part in battles.
    Source: A novel by A Kuprin, an eye witness from outside Petersburg in 1919.
    [The title was The Dome of st Isaac of Dalmatia, ch. XVIII, retreat (1928) (in russian)]
    Officially blame was put on british workers for having refused to take part in the shipments to the enemy of the reds. But of course the elites would have had no difficulty in circumventing that obstacle.
    Very important in connection with the angloamerican support for socialism of all kinds is the Fabian society, discussed by Quigley, who outlines that it was intended for the control of all progressives. However it went deeper. One might even view it as the origin of the CFR and all its siblings RIIA and a host of others, since the Fabians had the same imperialistic aim as those later organizations. And Fabianism aimed to extend the hold on people knowing marxism ( also developed under protection of the british) alone couldnt.
    Ioan Ratiu, The Milner Fabian conspiracy (2013) explains more about these interrelated elite groupings.
    Pierre de Villemareste, Facts and Chronicles denied to the public, vol2, The Secrets of Bilderberg (2004 ) – (fr original from 2003)
    explains how the Bilderbergs was intended to counter the antisocialist tendencies to keep everybody aligned in the march towards world government.
    This topic is extremely subtle and the difficulty of telling the different genres of socialists appart caused problems for some conservative critics like Mr Bolton mentions.
    Senator Mccarthy was not paranoid, there was massive influence of leftleaning people but it wasnt Moscow’s conspiracy, the angloamerican establishment was behind it in the shape of the Fabians. David Rockefeller was one and even wrote a positively held treatise on socialism.
    In order to determine whether or not it is a jewish conspiracy, it will be necessary to know whether or not the freemasons are separate from the jews or dominated by them at the top level.
    There is no doubt that the freemasonic networks acted on behalf of the bankers. And that the freemasons took the decision to force the destruction of tsarrussia.
    Milner was a 33rd degree. That level is supposed to communicate internationally among lodges and in those days also said to have the maxim ‘permanent revolution’

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    Yet no-one can answer what these people supposedly want...

    It is certainly not fame haha.
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  • If there is a world Jewish conspiracy, what is its aim?

    Or rather, what are the main aims of the people involved?

    After all, no two people have the exact same motivations, nor really does one person remain one hundred percent constant from one day to the next.

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  • @rabbitbait
    This is a curious article that seems to have been written to try and tamper down revelations from the so called "conspiracists." Here are a few random points that came to mind while reading it.

    The name of Judah Benjamin seems to be coming up more and more these days. Writers such as the one who penned this article downplay Benjamin's influence on the Confederacy and his connections to the Rothschilds. This writer also downplays the Rothschild support of the Confederacy which was absolutely essential for the financing of its participation in such a long and costly war despite being one of the poorer, almost entirely rural and almost completely un-industrialized regions of the US. On the other hand, Lincoln, leader of the much more prosperous north, had to issue his "greenbacks" specifically because international bankers had sought to essentially sabotage the northern war effort by insisting on crippling interest rates on loans it issued. The south doesn't seem to have suffered from similarly usurious loan demands. In addition, If the Rothschilds were not so heavily connected with the Confederacy why then did the head of the English branch of the Rothschild family, Lord Rothschild, risk his life and limb by running the northern naval blockade during the war in order to visit the Confederacy.

    Should I also mention the fact that Judah Benjamin was forced to flee from North
    America to England after the surrender of the Confederacy because he alone, among all the high Confederate officials, was afraid of being implicated in the murder of Abraham Lincoln? Benjamin, later as a "curiously prosperous" lawyer in the UK where he had fled,, worked for the legal defense when the southern states, as plaintiffs , sought to reclaim Confederate assets which had ended up in English hands. Among these assets was probably gold that Benjamin had been rumored to have removed from the Confederate treasury before fleeing from North America.

    The author mentions J.P. Morgan, the ultimate front man. After Morgan's death, his will revealed that he owned just 13% of the bank that he was thought to have owned outright. His two silent partners, both with connections to the Rothschild, owned the other 87%. Morgan was just a shill.

    Probably the biggest financial travesty of the twentieth century, the establishment of The Federal Reserve Bank was long thought to have been thought up by a coterie of northern bakers (including J.P. Morgan,) meeting at Jekyll Island in 1910. It turn out that the entire bill had been written by Rothschild agent Paul Warburg and associates beforehand. The other attendees at this meeting simply rubber stamped it. It turned out later that few if any of the other attendees had actually read the entire construct. or knew its implications.

    Just like what happened when later politicians approved the Patriot Act without having read it.

    The fact that J.P. Morgan was just a Rotshchild front man in the US is something that I found recently, its curious that there was never a “official” Rotshchild family branch in America.

    Its likely that Judah P. Benjamin was involved the in Abraham Lincoln’s assassination conspiracy, he was the South connection with the Rothschild and the London finance world.

    The way I see it’s that Lord Alfred Milner and Cecil Rhodes were British Imperialists that got outwitted by jewish financiers in their plans for a New World Order.

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  • @Anonymous
    You've never heard of Spengler's "Prussianism and Socialism"? Never read Decline of the West, or Hour of Decision? Never read Anthony Ludovici? When I refer to conservatism I am meaning precisely that; not the neo-Whiggery that today is miscalled conservatism especially in the USA and Britain. I don't suppose you have read Karl Marx's support for Free Trade either?

    You’ve never heard of Spengler’s “Prussianism and Socialism”?

    Never. I found it online and started reading. I got to these lines and stopped. Maybe someday when I have read all the history books that I have lined up I can get back to it.

    I say German socialism, for there is no other. This, too, is one of the truths that no longer lie hidden. Perhaps no one has mentioned it before, but we Germans are socialists. The others cannot possibly be socialists.

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  • @Anonymous
    From what I can remember from my high school history classes, William Jennings Bryan seems to fit the bill of social conservative/fiscal liberal.

    You may be right, I sometimes forget that a lot of people equate contemporary American liberals with socialists.

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  • @Tim Howells
    I would recommend that anyone who believes that Lord Milner represented a healthy ethical conservatism study his role in the Boer War, which disgusted even Lord Kitchener, and the central role of the Society of the Elect in bringing about World War One. Two good References on the latter:

    1) Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War. Docherty and MacGregor.
    http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-History-Secret-Origins-First-ebook/dp/B00CPR6IWK/ref=sr_1_2?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1440405850&sr=1-2&keywords=hidden+history

    2) Lord Milner's Second War: The Rhodes-Milner secret society; the origin of World War I; and the start of the New World Order. Cafferky.
    http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Milners-Second-War-Rhodes-Milner-ebook/dp/B00BZX5R6S/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1440406066&sr=1-1&keywords=lord+milner%27s+second+war

    I also recommend a careful reading of Quigley's Anglo-American Establishment re the role of the Society of the Elect in the rise of Hitler and fomenting World War Two.

    Re Quigley, it is important to understand that he was under great pressure and had to choose his words carefully. See this interview with a friendly journalist:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbFXJrmoElM

    Near the beginning Quigley says:

    "I'll put this on tape, but look, you have to be discreet - you have to protect my future as well as your own."

     

    Later on he starts talking about Milner's successor, Lionel Curtis and says he found it strange that he was so important because he was undistinguished academically (from about 24:30):

    "Nobody had ever heard of him. Furthermore he had been Lord Halifax's roommate at All Souls for years. And then I discovered that this fella is behind everything that's going on! Lionel Curtis, you see. Now I don't think we should talk too much about that."

     

    The background was that around 1947 Quigley was investigating the role of the Milner Group in setting up the CFR etc, and also in establishing the post-war world order. Pretty sensitive subjects apparently.

    I should have gone a little further with Quigley’s comments in that interview, because he goes on to comment about the Milner Group’s activities in Germany during the interwar period. This is in the context of Quigley’s discussions with historian Alfred Zimmern circa 1947:

    “He [Zimmern] said ‘I resigned [from the Roundtable Group] in 1923 because they were determined to build up Germany against France.’ He said ‘I wouldn’t stand for it so I resigned.’ Now when I [Quigley] met Lord Brand later and asked him about this he had never seen the letter of resignation. Now … so I’d better stop talking because you see this gets into all kinds of things.”

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  • @Lew
    Bolton has done tremendous work at the white nationalist site Counter Currents Publishing. Start with Bolton's essays on Charlie Hebdo and Stalin.

    I started reading a long Bolton piece comparing in measured tones the argument for saying that neither tear gas or some more noxious gas was used in Iraq under Churchill’s auspices as Colonial Secretary with the attempts to arrive at similar conclusions wrt to gassings at Auschwicz.

    Can you tell me where he ends up on that. As he does seem to be a careful scholar (and I haven’t yet come across anyone who makes me doubt the essence of the Holocaust story seriously) I wonder whether I should go on tuning up my questions such as
    1. Were Jews targeted in a way no other ethnic group or nationality (even gypsies) were by the Nazis?
    2. Did approx 6 million (or 4 million as I remember getting into trouble for quoting circa 1975) European Jews die unnaturally during WW2?
    3. Did not the mass shootings (and burnings and carbon monoxide gassings) of Jews in 1941 and early 1942 attest to a
    a policy of killing Jews just to eliminate Jews?
    4. Were not Himmler’s and Eichmann’s actions to cause the deaths of a vast proportion of the Jews who were deported or, within Poland, relocated, Hitler’s responsibility and consistent with his writings?
    5. Were women with children, children and the elderly not separated on arrival at Auschwicz and shortly after dead and cremated?

    You see I am trying to find out what respectable doubts there might be about so much of the Holocaust story as is needed to explain German acceptance of guilt. A young Jewish lawyer with whom I used to do business had a blue eyed fair-haired mother who had an Auschwicz type tattoo on her arm but had survived because she had been able to hide with Christian peasants in Poland until 1945. My young friend I am sure never had reason to believe that there was no systematic gassing.

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  • @rabbitbait
    This is a curious article that seems to have been written to try and tamper down revelations from the so called "conspiracists." Here are a few random points that came to mind while reading it.

    The name of Judah Benjamin seems to be coming up more and more these days. Writers such as the one who penned this article downplay Benjamin's influence on the Confederacy and his connections to the Rothschilds. This writer also downplays the Rothschild support of the Confederacy which was absolutely essential for the financing of its participation in such a long and costly war despite being one of the poorer, almost entirely rural and almost completely un-industrialized regions of the US. On the other hand, Lincoln, leader of the much more prosperous north, had to issue his "greenbacks" specifically because international bankers had sought to essentially sabotage the northern war effort by insisting on crippling interest rates on loans it issued. The south doesn't seem to have suffered from similarly usurious loan demands. In addition, If the Rothschilds were not so heavily connected with the Confederacy why then did the head of the English branch of the Rothschild family, Lord Rothschild, risk his life and limb by running the northern naval blockade during the war in order to visit the Confederacy.

    Should I also mention the fact that Judah Benjamin was forced to flee from North
    America to England after the surrender of the Confederacy because he alone, among all the high Confederate officials, was afraid of being implicated in the murder of Abraham Lincoln? Benjamin, later as a "curiously prosperous" lawyer in the UK where he had fled,, worked for the legal defense when the southern states, as plaintiffs , sought to reclaim Confederate assets which had ended up in English hands. Among these assets was probably gold that Benjamin had been rumored to have removed from the Confederate treasury before fleeing from North America.

    The author mentions J.P. Morgan, the ultimate front man. After Morgan's death, his will revealed that he owned just 13% of the bank that he was thought to have owned outright. His two silent partners, both with connections to the Rothschild, owned the other 87%. Morgan was just a shill.

    Probably the biggest financial travesty of the twentieth century, the establishment of The Federal Reserve Bank was long thought to have been thought up by a coterie of northern bakers (including J.P. Morgan,) meeting at Jekyll Island in 1910. It turn out that the entire bill had been written by Rothschild agent Paul Warburg and associates beforehand. The other attendees at this meeting simply rubber stamped it. It turned out later that few if any of the other attendees had actually read the entire construct. or knew its implications.

    Just like what happened when later politicians approved the Patriot Act without having read it.

    What a shockingly modern PC idea that politicians should actually read the Bills they vote for. And I don’t mean that it is surely enough that some taxpayer funded staff member is willing to say he has read it, or knows someone whose sister has, and has done the necessary calculations of associated donations.

    No I refer to the evidence of the Westminster system’s First, Second & Third Readings (all now purely nominal) that in the good old days elected men of the (propertied) people weren’t assumed to be able to read at all.

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    ethical socialism that is intrinsic to conservatism as the basis for national unity and a healthy people.
     
    It is true that I don't get out much, but I have never heard of socialist conservatives before.

    You’ve never heard of Spengler’s “Prussianism and Socialism”? Never read Decline of the West, or Hour of Decision? Never read Anthony Ludovici? When I refer to conservatism I am meaning precisely that; not the neo-Whiggery that today is miscalled conservatism especially in the USA and Britain. I don’t suppose you have read Karl Marx’s support for Free Trade either?

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    You’ve never heard of Spengler’s “Prussianism and Socialism”?
     
    Never. I found it online and started reading. I got to these lines and stopped. Maybe someday when I have read all the history books that I have lined up I can get back to it.

    I say German socialism, for there is no other. This, too, is one of the truths that no longer lie hidden. Perhaps no one has mentioned it before, but we Germans are socialists. The others cannot possibly be socialists.

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  • This is a curious article that seems to have been written to try and tamper down revelations from the so called “conspiracists.” Here are a few random points that came to mind while reading it.

    The name of Judah Benjamin seems to be coming up more and more these days. Writers such as the one who penned this article downplay Benjamin’s influence on the Confederacy and his connections to the Rothschilds. This writer also downplays the Rothschild support of the Confederacy which was absolutely essential for the financing of its participation in such a long and costly war despite being one of the poorer, almost entirely rural and almost completely un-industrialized regions of the US. On the other hand, Lincoln, leader of the much more prosperous north, had to issue his “greenbacks” specifically because international bankers had sought to essentially sabotage the northern war effort by insisting on crippling interest rates on loans it issued. The south doesn’t seem to have suffered from similarly usurious loan demands. In addition, If the Rothschilds were not so heavily connected with the Confederacy why then did the head of the English branch of the Rothschild family, Lord Rothschild, risk his life and limb by running the northern naval blockade during the war in order to visit the Confederacy.

    Should I also mention the fact that Judah Benjamin was forced to flee from North
    America to England after the surrender of the Confederacy because he alone, among all the high Confederate officials, was afraid of being implicated in the murder of Abraham Lincoln? Benjamin, later as a “curiously prosperous” lawyer in the UK where he had fled,, worked for the legal defense when the southern states, as plaintiffs , sought to reclaim Confederate assets which had ended up in English hands. Among these assets was probably gold that Benjamin had been rumored to have removed from the Confederate treasury before fleeing from North America.

    The author mentions J.P. Morgan, the ultimate front man. After Morgan’s death, his will revealed that he owned just 13% of the bank that he was thought to have owned outright. His two silent partners, both with connections to the Rothschild, owned the other 87%. Morgan was just a shill.

    Probably the biggest financial travesty of the twentieth century, the establishment of The Federal Reserve Bank was long thought to have been thought up by a coterie of northern bakers (including J.P. Morgan,) meeting at Jekyll Island in 1910. It turn out that the entire bill had been written by Rothschild agent Paul Warburg and associates beforehand. The other attendees at this meeting simply rubber stamped it. It turned out later that few if any of the other attendees had actually read the entire construct. or knew its implications.

    Just like what happened when later politicians approved the Patriot Act without having read it.

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    What a shockingly modern PC idea that politicians should actually read the Bills they vote for. And I don't mean that it is surely enough that some taxpayer funded staff member is willing to say he has read it, or knows someone whose sister has, and has done the necessary calculations of associated donations.

    No I refer to the evidence of the Westminster system's First, Second & Third Readings (all now purely nominal) that in the good old days elected men of the (propertied) people weren't assumed to be able to read at all.
    , @Chiron
    The fact that J.P. Morgan was just a Rotshchild front man in the US is something that I found recently, its curious that there was never a "official" Rotshchild family branch in America.

    Its likely that Judah P. Benjamin was involved the in Abraham Lincoln's assassination conspiracy, he was the South connection with the Rothschild and the London finance world.

    The way I see it's that Lord Alfred Milner and Cecil Rhodes were British Imperialists that got outwitted by jewish financiers in their plans for a New World Order.

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  • @iffen

    ethical socialism that is intrinsic to conservatism as the basis for national unity and a healthy people.
     
    It is true that I don't get out much, but I have never heard of socialist conservatives before.

    From what I can remember from my high school history classes, William Jennings Bryan seems to fit the bill of social conservative/fiscal liberal.

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    You may be right, I sometimes forget that a lot of people equate contemporary American liberals with socialists.
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  • Bolton has done tremendous work at the white nationalist site Counter Currents Publishing. Start with Bolton’s essays on Charlie Hebdo and Stalin.

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    I started reading a long Bolton piece comparing in measured tones the argument for saying that neither tear gas or some more noxious gas was used in Iraq under Churchill's auspices as Colonial Secretary with the attempts to arrive at similar conclusions wrt to gassings at Auschwicz.

    Can you tell me where he ends up on that. As he does seem to be a careful scholar (and I haven't yet come across anyone who makes me doubt the essence of the Holocaust story seriously) I wonder whether I should go on tuning up my questions such as
    1. Were Jews targeted in a way no other ethnic group or nationality (even gypsies) were by the Nazis?
    2. Did approx 6 million (or 4 million as I remember getting into trouble for quoting circa 1975) European Jews die unnaturally during WW2?
    3. Did not the mass shootings (and burnings and carbon monoxide gassings) of Jews in 1941 and early 1942 attest to a
    a policy of killing Jews just to eliminate Jews?
    4. Were not Himmler's and Eichmann's actions to cause the deaths of a vast proportion of the Jews who were deported or, within Poland, relocated, Hitler's responsibility and consistent with his writings?
    5. Were women with children, children and the elderly not separated on arrival at Auschwicz and shortly after dead and cremated?

    You see I am trying to find out what respectable doubts there might be about so much of the Holocaust story as is needed to explain German acceptance of guilt. A young Jewish lawyer with whom I used to do business had a blue eyed fair-haired mother who had an Auschwicz type tattoo on her arm but had survived because she had been able to hide with Christian peasants in Poland until 1945. My young friend I am sure never had reason to believe that there was no systematic gassing.

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  • “That is not to say that the rest of Quigley’s book has much of interest. It does,”

    The first sentence belies the second , or vice versa.

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  • Are K.R. Bolton and Kerry Bolton the same people? I was just reading a Kerry Bolton piece yesterday and I’ve never seen him on unz before.

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  • @iffen

    ethical socialism that is intrinsic to conservatism as the basis for national unity and a healthy people.
     
    It is true that I don't get out much, but I have never heard of socialist conservatives before.

    Socially liberal and fiscally conservative?

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  • @Ivan K.

    Ultimately, Quigley states that The Group, so far from being a pervasive conspiracy over the world, was by late 1945 ‘in eclipse’, and it is ‘not clear what is happening’. .... Conclusion
    1. There is no ‘Anglo-American Establishment’ for world rule, serving a ‘network of international bankers’.....
     
    If so, who and why suppressed "Tragedy and Hope"? How could copies of "Tragedy and Hope" disappear from library shelves across the whole country, a fact which anyone could check, and many did? [0] Why did Quigley came to believe that his publisher Macmillan had suppressed his book? [1] Why did the Macmillan editor of whom Quigley speaks, "I am grateful to the patience, enthusiasm, and amazingly wide knowledge of my editor at The Macmillan Company, Peter V. Ritner." - commit suicide at age 49? [2] He did it by plunging from a window. Why the same choice of suicide among prominent people? "The phenomena became so common that it gave rise to a new term “defenestration”, meaning the avoidance of testimony, and a suitable warning to others who might think of talking." [3] "Duggan was an official of the Institute of International Education ..... In his haste to get to the window, he tore off one shoe, and he left his office in shambles as he fought his way across it." [3]

    What you did, Mr Unz, was to clarify what Quigley actually stated in his 1966 book, as opposed to wild speculations that abuse his name.
    What your article stops short from is deal with
    - What Quigley thought after 1966? How did his views evolve?
    - What is the actual truth of the matter, indepedently of Quigley? Quigley himself says in this book that "it is not clear what is happening."

    [0] like John Taylor Gatto, as he stated in his public speeches

    [1] https://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig8/burris9.html

    [2] http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9A07E7DD153EE334BC4051DFB667838D669EDE

    [3] Eustace Mullins, "The World Order," Chapter Seven

    The author of the above article is KR Bolton, I mistakenly addressed him as Mr Unz. Apologies.

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  • In “The Anglo-American Establishment” Quigley shows that the Milner Group was associated with the “Cecil Bloc”. The Cecil Bloc consisted of the family members and friends and supporters of the Cecil family. Its probably fair to say the Cecils dominated the British Conservative party in the late 19th century and early 20th century. The patriarch was Lord Salisbury, Prime Minister for much of the last years of the 19th century. He was succeeded by his nephew, Lord Balfour, Prime Minister from 1902 to 1905, and who much later issued the famous Balfour Declaration.

    It’s probably fair to say the association with the Cecils magnified the power of the Milner Group.

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  • Ultimately, Quigley states that The Group, so far from being a pervasive conspiracy over the world, was by late 1945 ‘in eclipse’, and it is ‘not clear what is happening’. …. Conclusion
    1. There is no ‘Anglo-American Establishment’ for world rule, serving a ‘network of international bankers’…..

    If so, who and why suppressed “Tragedy and Hope”? How could copies of “Tragedy and Hope” disappear from library shelves across the whole country, a fact which anyone could check, and many did? [0] Why did Quigley came to believe that his publisher Macmillan had suppressed his book? [1] Why did the Macmillan editor of whom Quigley speaks, “I am grateful to the patience, enthusiasm, and amazingly wide knowledge of my editor at The Macmillan Company, Peter V. Ritner.” – commit suicide at age 49? [2] He did it by plunging from a window. Why the same choice of suicide among prominent people? “The phenomena became so common that it gave rise to a new term “defenestration”, meaning the avoidance of testimony, and a suitable warning to others who might think of talking.” [3] “Duggan was an official of the Institute of International Education ….. In his haste to get to the window, he tore off one shoe, and he left his office in shambles as he fought his way across it.” [3]

    What you did, Mr Unz, was to clarify what Quigley actually stated in his 1966 book, as opposed to wild speculations that abuse his name.
    What your article stops short from is deal with
    - What Quigley thought after 1966? How did his views evolve?
    - What is the actual truth of the matter, indepedently of Quigley? Quigley himself says in this book that “it is not clear what is happening.”

    [0] like John Taylor Gatto, as he stated in his public speeches

    [1] https://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig8/burris9.html

    [2] http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9A07E7DD153EE334BC4051DFB667838D669EDE

    [3] Eustace Mullins, “The World Order,” Chapter Seven

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    The author of the above article is KR Bolton, I mistakenly addressed him as Mr Unz. Apologies.
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  • Whites are devils

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  • It could be interesting to wonder what if Carroll Quigley had lived a bit longer, if he could had written more on the subject?

    On a off-topic sidenote, I spotted some links who talk of various conspiration theories about the assassination of Hendrik Verwoerd, who was prime minister of South Africa, in 1966 on the following blogs.

    http://hendrikverwoerd.blogspot.ca/p/conspiracy.html

    http://gumshoenews.com/2015/04/15/1960s-assassinations-dr-hendrik-verwoerd-vs-john-f-kennedy-and-rfk/

    http://drvitelli.typepad.com/providentia/2008/12/the-verwoerd-assassination.html

    as well as on these books like “Unfinished Business: South Africa Apartheid and Truth” and “Really inside BOSS: A tale of South Africa’s late intelligence service”.

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    http://drvitelli.typepad.com/providentia/2008/12/the-verwoerd-assassination.html

     

    Looks like that link don't work anymore, but there a archived copy located on Archive.is.
    https://archive.is/7fDWV
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    It is hard to imagine a Fellow of All Souls being "academically undistinguished" even before WW2 when Oxford would have had fewer than 3000 undergraduates. That someone might have thought him so is interesting enough for one to want to understand the people involved better. It also occurs to me that academic distinction might once have been of less significance in the election of Fellows of All Souls than it has been since WW2.

    It is hard to imagine a Fellow of All Souls being “academically undistinguished”

    Yes, this was one thing that puzzled Quigley. Most of Curtis’ circle were highly distinguished – so who was this guy? Unfortunately Quigley only provides hints, but Curtis was definitely flying under the radar and intended to keep it that way – at least that is my interpretation of Quigley’s cryptic comments on the subject. Curtis was central to the formulation of the Commonwealth of Nations which replaced the idea of a British Empire. Based on Quigley’s comments I gather that he was very active in the US in the early post-WWII years. He died in 1955.

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  • ethical socialism that is intrinsic to conservatism as the basis for national unity and a healthy people.

    It is true that I don’t get out much, but I have never heard of socialist conservatives before.

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    Socially liberal and fiscally conservative?
    , @Anonymous
    From what I can remember from my high school history classes, William Jennings Bryan seems to fit the bill of social conservative/fiscal liberal.
    , @Anonymous
    You've never heard of Spengler's "Prussianism and Socialism"? Never read Decline of the West, or Hour of Decision? Never read Anthony Ludovici? When I refer to conservatism I am meaning precisely that; not the neo-Whiggery that today is miscalled conservatism especially in the USA and Britain. I don't suppose you have read Karl Marx's support for Free Trade either?
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  • @jimbojones
    Good article.

    Here's a copy of Ruskin's 1870 speech that so inspired Milner and Rhodes:
    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/19164/19164-h/19164-h.htm#LECTURE_I

    And here's Ruskin's most famous essay, "Unto This Last":
    http://www.efm.bris.ac.uk/het/ruskin/ruskin

    Thank you for that second link (I haven’t got the first working yet).

    What stamina those Victorians had. More than I could muster to finish the whole though I aspire to finish it. We seem to have bypassed Ruskin’s moral preaching by establishing welfare states that allow crass and greedy employers to behave in the manner he anathematises without too much social discord or desperate poverty.

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  • @Tim Howells
    I would recommend that anyone who believes that Lord Milner represented a healthy ethical conservatism study his role in the Boer War, which disgusted even Lord Kitchener, and the central role of the Society of the Elect in bringing about World War One. Two good References on the latter:

    1) Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War. Docherty and MacGregor.
    http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-History-Secret-Origins-First-ebook/dp/B00CPR6IWK/ref=sr_1_2?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1440405850&sr=1-2&keywords=hidden+history

    2) Lord Milner's Second War: The Rhodes-Milner secret society; the origin of World War I; and the start of the New World Order. Cafferky.
    http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Milners-Second-War-Rhodes-Milner-ebook/dp/B00BZX5R6S/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1440406066&sr=1-1&keywords=lord+milner%27s+second+war

    I also recommend a careful reading of Quigley's Anglo-American Establishment re the role of the Society of the Elect in the rise of Hitler and fomenting World War Two.

    Re Quigley, it is important to understand that he was under great pressure and had to choose his words carefully. See this interview with a friendly journalist:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbFXJrmoElM

    Near the beginning Quigley says:

    "I'll put this on tape, but look, you have to be discreet - you have to protect my future as well as your own."

     

    Later on he starts talking about Milner's successor, Lionel Curtis and says he found it strange that he was so important because he was undistinguished academically (from about 24:30):

    "Nobody had ever heard of him. Furthermore he had been Lord Halifax's roommate at All Souls for years. And then I discovered that this fella is behind everything that's going on! Lionel Curtis, you see. Now I don't think we should talk too much about that."

     

    The background was that around 1947 Quigley was investigating the role of the Milner Group in setting up the CFR etc, and also in establishing the post-war world order. Pretty sensitive subjects apparently.

    It is hard to imagine a Fellow of All Souls being “academically undistinguished” even before WW2 when Oxford would have had fewer than 3000 undergraduates. That someone might have thought him so is interesting enough for one to want to understand the people involved better. It also occurs to me that academic distinction might once have been of less significance in the election of Fellows of All Souls than it has been since WW2.

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    It is hard to imagine a Fellow of All Souls being “academically undistinguished”
     
    Yes, this was one thing that puzzled Quigley. Most of Curtis' circle were highly distinguished - so who was this guy? Unfortunately Quigley only provides hints, but Curtis was definitely flying under the radar and intended to keep it that way - at least that is my interpretation of Quigley's cryptic comments on the subject. Curtis was central to the formulation of the Commonwealth of Nations which replaced the idea of a British Empire. Based on Quigley's comments I gather that he was very active in the US in the early post-WWII years. He died in 1955.
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  • I would recommend that anyone who believes that Lord Milner represented a healthy ethical conservatism study his role in the Boer War, which disgusted even Lord Kitchener, and the central role of the Society of the Elect in bringing about World War One. Two good References on the latter:

    1) Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War. Docherty and MacGregor.

    http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-History-Secret-Origins-First-ebook/dp/B00CPR6IWK/ref=sr_1_2?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1440405850&sr=1-2&keywords=hidden+history

    2) Lord Milner’s Second War: The Rhodes-Milner secret society; the origin of World War I; and the start of the New World Order. Cafferky.

    http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Milners-Second-War-Rhodes-Milner-ebook/dp/B00BZX5R6S/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1440406066&sr=1-1&keywords=lord+milner%27s+second+war

    I also recommend a careful reading of Quigley’s Anglo-American Establishment re the role of the Society of the Elect in the rise of Hitler and fomenting World War Two.

    Re Quigley, it is important to understand that he was under great pressure and had to choose his words carefully. See this interview with a friendly journalist:

    Near the beginning Quigley says:

    “I’ll put this on tape, but look, you have to be discreet – you have to protect my future as well as your own.”

    Later on he starts talking about Milner’s successor, Lionel Curtis and says he found it strange that he was so important because he was undistinguished academically (from about 24:30):

    “Nobody had ever heard of him. Furthermore he had been Lord Halifax’s roommate at All Souls for years. And then I discovered that this fella is behind everything that’s going on! Lionel Curtis, you see. Now I don’t think we should talk too much about that.”

    The background was that around 1947 Quigley was investigating the role of the Milner Group in setting up the CFR etc, and also in establishing the post-war world order. Pretty sensitive subjects apparently.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    It is hard to imagine a Fellow of All Souls being "academically undistinguished" even before WW2 when Oxford would have had fewer than 3000 undergraduates. That someone might have thought him so is interesting enough for one to want to understand the people involved better. It also occurs to me that academic distinction might once have been of less significance in the election of Fellows of All Souls than it has been since WW2.
    , @Tim Howells
    I should have gone a little further with Quigley's comments in that interview, because he goes on to comment about the Milner Group's activities in Germany during the interwar period. This is in the context of Quigley's discussions with historian Alfred Zimmern circa 1947:

    "He [Zimmern] said 'I resigned [from the Roundtable Group] in 1923 because they were determined to build up Germany against France.' He said 'I wouldn't stand for it so I resigned.' Now when I [Quigley] met Lord Brand later and asked him about this he had never seen the letter of resignation. Now ... so I'd better stop talking because you see this gets into all kinds of things."
     
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  • Congratulations Ron on publishing this in The Unz Review. I can’t call to mind any article which would rate higher for thoroughness, logic and lucidity on a profoundly interesting topic.

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  • Good article.

    Here’s a copy of Ruskin’s 1870 speech that so inspired Milner and Rhodes:

    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/19164/19164-h/19164-h.htm#LECTURE_I

    And here’s Ruskin’s most famous essay, “Unto This Last”:

    http://www.efm.bris.ac.uk/het/ruskin/ruskin

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Thank you for that second link (I haven't got the first working yet).

    What stamina those Victorians had. More than I could muster to finish the whole though I aspire to finish it. We seem to have bypassed Ruskin's moral preaching by establishing welfare states that allow crass and greedy employers to behave in the manner he anathematises without too much social discord or desperate poverty.
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