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    The Skripal saga and Ecuador’s move to cut Julian Assange’s internet is part of a wider crackdown on freedom of speech and states like Russia which have stood up to the West. It risks evolving into a real war, John Pilger told RT. “This is about a war on freedom of speech; this man is...
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    "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

    Please explain, using this definition in the U. S. Constitution, why you believe that Mr. Snowden is a traitor.

    Is he in the US, or Russia where turncoats are treated cruelly and mercilessly. Certainly a traitor to his family, whose history of government service helped get him get a responsible job.

    Dreamt of being 007, but you can’t live like that with an eating disorder, which judging by appearances he has. He broke both legs while trying to qualify as a Green Beret. Moral: bone density is the key to being like James Bond. Improves your memory too.

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    If he likes Russia so much he thinks they surely didn't try to kill Skirpal, he can go there and (after he serves his sentence for jumping bail) join his traitor pal Edward Snowden They both think the world revolves around them.

    “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.”

    Please explain, using this definition in the U. S. Constitution, why you believe that Mr. Snowden is a traitor.

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    Is he in the US, or Russia where turncoats are treated cruelly and mercilessly. Certainly a traitor to his family, whose history of government service helped get him get a responsible job.

    Dreamt of being 007, but you can't live like that with an eating disorder, which judging by appearances he has. He broke both legs while trying to qualify as a Green Beret. Moral: bone density is the key to being like James Bond. Improves your memory too.

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  • You have to ask, Why the panicky drive to shut Assange up now? Well, the answer is new cablegate tidbits. The CIA clowns stepped on their crank again bigtime!

    The cover story for CIA’s Skripal hit blows up:

    In DoS cable (06PRAGUE319_a) the US gave orders to suppress awareness of novichok agents, and DoS executed their orders with pressure on OPCW staff as reported in cable (09THEHAGUE205_a). That year, despite the muzzling of OPCW staff, Iran thwarted US concealment of their illegal chemical weapons by synthesizing them publicly.

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/clinton-state-department-discouraged-novichok-discussion.html

    The nerve gas that poisoned the Skripals has been a US state secret since at least 2006. The US kept novichoks secret not from potential terrorists – the book was already in the public domain – but from OPCW regulators.

    Novichok was a US secret weapon. Everybody, quick, expel those US diplomats!

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  • If he likes Russia so much he thinks they surely didn’t try to kill Skirpal, he can go there and (after he serves his sentence for jumping bail) join his traitor pal Edward Snowden They both think the world revolves around them.

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    "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

    Please explain, using this definition in the U. S. Constitution, why you believe that Mr. Snowden is a traitor.
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  • Our elites increasingly show contempt for our right to hold them accountable, substituting our right to know what’s done in our name, for their power to tell us what to think. Turning the lights out on Assange is democracy dying in darkness.

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  • Assange is just another symptom of the disease. Looks like Western propaganda machine is in the same irreversible fatal nosedive as the Soviet propaganda was before the end of the USSR. Considering that they blew their credibility to smithereens, the more they repeat their outrageous lies, the more they hurt their own cause. But they can’t stop now, so they pile inconsistencies and blatant lies like there is no tomorrow.

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  • The US submarine captain says, “We’ve all got to die one day, some sooner and some later. The trouble always has been that you’re never ready, because you don’t know when it’s coming. Well, now we do know and there’s nothing to be done about it.” He says he will be dead by September. It...
  • @Anonymous White Male
    I really can't take the threat of nuclear "war" seriously. Yes, there are well informed people that either promote war or peace, but they are paid to do this. What would happen if a nuclear war occurred? Much of what passes for the wealth of the ((((elite)))) would be destroyed. Admittedly, these are evil people, but would they rather destroy everything out of spite? They would effect themselves as well. Sure, they could live out their pathetic lives in underground bunkers, with a supply of recycled water, food grown under artificial light and animals living in large enclosures. But, who would do the shit work for them? Hmm? I mean, if you've destroyed the world and you're dependent on younger, stronger people to protect you and do your work, what will stop them from commandeering your environment and using your bodies to feed the pigs? Just a thought exercise.

    No, given the fact that an EMP in the upper atmosphere could take out the electrical grid just as effectively as laying waste to their own property, don't you think that would be a preferred course of action for the ((((parasites))))?

    As you point out, war is irrational. Those who make war destroy themselves. That never stops people from making war. does it?

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  • One of the most hyped “events” of American television, The Vietnam War, has started on the PBS network. The directors are Ken Burns and Lynn Novick. Acclaimed for his documentaries on the Civil War, the Great Depression and the history of jazz, Burns says of his Vietnam films, “They will inspire our country to begin...
  • @WorkingClass
    I served under Johnson and Nixon. The purpose of the Vietnam war was to make a few rich men richer. That's it.

    Served? What, whom? Piece of murderous filth is what you were and are.

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  • @anarchyst
    The author of this article has shown his ineptitude and lack of reason by praising Michael Moore. His "schlockumentary" Roger and Me was based on a false premise. GM CEO Roger Smith offered to meet with Michael Moore while filming his movie, but was rebuffed as it would have destroyed Moore's whole false premise for his "film".
    As for Moore's "schlockumentary" on the American health care system, he left out many important facts, such as, in most other countries with "socialized medicine" one must still purchase supplementary "health insurance" in order to have a modicum of decent health care. Add to that, the waiting times in most countries who have socialized medicine is quite often counter to best medical practices. While praising Cuba's rudimentary "socialized medicine" (where party official still travel abroad for medical treatment) he conveniently leaves out the fact than ANYONE who walks into an American hospital WILL BE TREATED...
    Michael Moore is a charlatan, no better than a propagandist.
    John Pilger...you should know better...

    We live in America! Why do you find the numbers of dead Vietnamese are important to us (Americans)???? You Mr. Pilger clearly did not attend a A PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP rally? I brought my 9 year old nephew to PREDIENT TRUMP’s second rally in sure you remember no one was taking him serious at this time except for us AMERICANS that are so sick of seeing our once great country fall! At this rally, I have never felt more like an AMERICAN than I did that night!!!! I’m guessing you loose sleep at night wondering why you are free? Right

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  • @Posa
    There was NEVER anything honorable or legitimate about the Vietnam War... the Cold War itself was entirely bogus from the start ... partly to pump up the US economy through Military Keynesian policies; partly a new form of US colonial exploitation; partly the beginnings of the US Establishment lusting after a New British Empire and global Hyper-Power status.

    Vietnam was preceded by huge war crimes in the Dresden Firebombing and A-Bombs in Japan (performed to send a big message to Stalin than any legitimate targets); then the massacres in Korea. Vietnam was followed by serial mass murder- genocide in Central America, then expanded to burn down most of the Middle East and into Ukraine..

    The US is a rabid dog that must be stopped. That time has come in Syrian and NKOR... plus the US establishment has pauperized the US workforce and bankrupted the economy... time for the Yankees to Come Home and rebuild America... Fire the US Predator Class.

    I think that I know a rabid dog when I see one.

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  • @richard vajs
    There are questions as to why the "American Left" is no longer antiwar. One must understand that there are two "American Lefts" - a true left personified by those attracted to Bernie Sanders' socialistic, New Deal platform and the Clinton Left - attracted to the Establishment Democratic Party - a corporatized segment of the population mostly concerned with self-aggrandizement, identity politics, promotion of Israel, and the destruction of Donald Trump. Trump is hated by this Clinton Left because he stopped the coronation of the "first woman President" and also for his use of vulgar terms for female sex organs. The American Left is not connected as a single entity - it will soon self-divide. The Sanders half will be anti-war, pro-poor, and anti-Zionist. The Clinton half will continue to bemoan the lack of support from the Sanders half.

    But the Sanders Left will be pro-globalism, which will make it indistinguishable from the Climton Left.

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  • Apparently Mr Pilger is unable to type the words “Cold War”. One cannot rationally discuss the VN war without them.

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  • Very simple, go home from the peninsula.
    Leave those people in peace.
    Ylu , USA, killed one of four Koreans, simply let those people alone, they survived last one milion years andthey can survive without you another one million.
    Do nkt come back with your allies and commitments, you are agressor, your allies are in reality your vasal states, you made sure, that oligarchy, rulling there, is loyal to you.
    You made it either bribing them, or blackmailing them.
    I am so rusprised by such questions….you ask…..,.
    Btw. Sorry , ifyou are less, than ten years and LOL , should you be older.

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  • @MarkinLA
    You mean the same kind of offers they made to Czechoslovakia?

    My comments are insufficiently frequent to use the “agree” button. Great response with which I agree.

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  • @anarchyst
    The "capitalists" DID build schools, hospitals and other facilities to benefit the public, BUT when the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong came through, they would destroy the efforts of the South Vietnamese government and Americans. It is interesting to note that the "anti-war protesters" (Vietnam) went silent after the draft was abolished, as well as during the escape of tens of thousands of Vietnamese aboard rickety boats, risking life and limb to escape that communist "paradise". No, I have nothing but disdain and revulsion for these so-called "war protesters". It is curious to note that many of these "war protesters" became "chickenhawks" supporting more recent wars, as well as claiming to be Vietnam veterans in order to assuage their guilt...
    For a different, and relatively unknown "take" on the Vietnam war, google 'USMC CAP'...

    Yeah, well after the war starts and the Vietnamese want the foreigners out, when we started our “hearts and minds” campaign.

    Did the French build them? You don’t seem to get the fact that Ho was a hero and the peoples choice. Once he kicked the French out the Vietnamese wanted him to lead the country. Everything we did to try and prevent that was looked upon by most people as just continuing the French occupation.

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  • @MarkinLA
    This is total Red Menace BS. Most of those people in those third world shit-holes we "saved" had so little to begin with there would have been no difference under communism. Just exactly what would have communism changed out in the rural areas of Vietnam? The reason why communist insurgencies lasted so long was because the people supported what the communists were saying - that their kids would go to school and the state would build hospitals, something the capitalists weren't about to do.

    The “capitalists” DID build schools, hospitals and other facilities to benefit the public, BUT when the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong came through, they would destroy the efforts of the South Vietnamese government and Americans. It is interesting to note that the “anti-war protesters” (Vietnam) went silent after the draft was abolished, as well as during the escape of tens of thousands of Vietnamese aboard rickety boats, risking life and limb to escape that communist “paradise”. No, I have nothing but disdain and revulsion for these so-called “war protesters”. It is curious to note that many of these “war protesters” became “chickenhawks” supporting more recent wars, as well as claiming to be Vietnam veterans in order to assuage their guilt…
    For a different, and relatively unknown “take” on the Vietnam war, google ‘USMC CAP’…

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    Yeah, well after the war starts and the Vietnamese want the foreigners out, when we started our "hearts and minds" campaign.

    Did the French build them? You don't seem to get the fact that Ho was a hero and the peoples choice. Once he kicked the French out the Vietnamese wanted him to lead the country. Everything we did to try and prevent that was looked upon by most people as just continuing the French occupation.
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  • @dearieme
    I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

    There needs to be some sort of Godwin’s Law that says when a writer mentions the mistreatment of American Indians by European immigrants and their descendants it counts as officially jumping the shark.

    I disagree. There are occasions when it’s a point worth making, namely when Americans – especially politicians – are being at their most pompous, preachy, and hypocritical.

    And, of course, there are occasions when mentioning the mistreatment of Australian aborigines is a point worth making, namely when Britons-especially politicians- are being at their most pompous, preachy, and hypocritical.

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  • @anarchyst
    communism is always IMPOSED on an unwilling populace. communism is NEVER embraced by the populace...

    This is total Red Menace BS. Most of those people in those third world shit-holes we “saved” had so little to begin with there would have been no difference under communism. Just exactly what would have communism changed out in the rural areas of Vietnam? The reason why communist insurgencies lasted so long was because the people supported what the communists were saying – that their kids would go to school and the state would build hospitals, something the capitalists weren’t about to do.

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    The "capitalists" DID build schools, hospitals and other facilities to benefit the public, BUT when the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong came through, they would destroy the efforts of the South Vietnamese government and Americans. It is interesting to note that the "anti-war protesters" (Vietnam) went silent after the draft was abolished, as well as during the escape of tens of thousands of Vietnamese aboard rickety boats, risking life and limb to escape that communist "paradise". No, I have nothing but disdain and revulsion for these so-called "war protesters". It is curious to note that many of these "war protesters" became "chickenhawks" supporting more recent wars, as well as claiming to be Vietnam veterans in order to assuage their guilt...
    For a different, and relatively unknown "take" on the Vietnam war, google 'USMC CAP'...
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  • @MarkinLA
    The great paradox of the Red Menace brainwashing was that we were told that communism could never work and was doomed to fail yet communism had to be defeated everywhere and by force if necessary. If the first is true then why not let it burn itself out to convince other countries that it doesn't work. Maybe the real reason was that there were rich people who hated the idea that the people would use political pressure to even things up a bit.

    communism is always IMPOSED on an unwilling populace. communism is NEVER embraced by the populace…

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    This is total Red Menace BS. Most of those people in those third world shit-holes we "saved" had so little to begin with there would have been no difference under communism. Just exactly what would have communism changed out in the rural areas of Vietnam? The reason why communist insurgencies lasted so long was because the people supported what the communists were saying - that their kids would go to school and the state would build hospitals, something the capitalists weren't about to do.
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  • @Rich
    Why say "as many as 4 million" (a number no historian has ever said)? Might as well say"as many as 40 billion." Both numbers are false and I bet the 40 billion one will make Marx smile in Hell. Whether false flags took place or not, the battle to stop the murderous communists from raping and pillaging South Vietnam and others, was a noble one and every man who served deserves to be honored for their great sacrifice.

    The fact that every anti-American leftist has to cry "My Lai" over and over again shows that it was an anomaly. It wouldn't be the same song every time if these types of incidents were typical. "War is hell," an American general has often been quoted as saying, and he was right, but sometimes wars have to be fought and any person who stood up to the deranged communists was in the right.

    My Lai was not an aberration, it was policy.

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  • @MarkinLA
    But who were the “rich”?

    The people who had an interest in exploiting other counties like United Fruit Company who was in bed with our hand-picked right wing dictators.

    See #254 for reply.

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  • @denk
    Petulence will get you nowhere.
    [Hopefully] Facts would set you free !


    Murder Inc

    USA

    INDIA

    'How come we dont know shit about these ?'
     
    You gotta thank ..
    Holywood, CNN, FAUX, WARSJ, BBC, GUARDIAN, .......
    aka

    Fake news Inc.
    Dedicated brain laundry service.

    ‘Reading this article should cause any fair-minded reader to ask whether or not India is a terrorist state seeking hegemony in South Asia and questions whether India is a country we should trust as an ally.’

    But, but….

    Even a five year old kid knows that The unitedsnake is a terrorist state seeking hegemony in the whole planet . !

    ‘whether India is a country we should trust as an ally.’

    LOL,
    It’d seem that USA./INDIA is a partnership made in heaven !

    Just like the genocidist Suharto,
    Modi of Gujarat’s fame is uncle sham’s
    my kind of guy‘ today.
    Is he any ‘lesser evil‘ ? [sic]
    Nope, but he’s doing uncle sham’s bidding , that’s what counts in Washington my dear. !

    Do you understand now, Rich ?

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  • Well that explains a little of what the Monroe Doctrine allowed America’s ruling classes to get up to :-)

    Generally I think you need to look wider. You only have to feel relatively rich (and therefore superior of course except for 10 minutes of Christian humility on Sundays) to feel happy with tbe way your leaders are taking you. I remember from the distant past a book by a UK Liberal, one Hobson I think, who explained the complicity of the British (including not least those poor oppressed Scots and Irish) in the Empire’s glories and advantages. Or as my old lawyer friend said when I was waxing moralistic “when everyone’s making money no one minds pèople pinching a bit”. Of course “democracy” may survive US debt and decline as world power because the proles can be fed with a variety of sweet tasting foods and electronically preoccupied for the rest of the time.

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  • @Authenticjazzman
    " Why not let it burn itself out to convince people that it doesn't work": communism

    Why not? simply because it always first goes through a Stalin and Mao and Castro phase, meaning the murder of millions of innocents, they the commie honchos, call them "counterrevolutionaries" through it's implimentation.

    Then after it becomes obvious to it's subjects ( slaves) , that it will never work they start tearing down the walls and fleeing across the borders, or riding innertubes across oceans.

    And just why are you unable to figure this out yourself?

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet and pro Jazz musician.

    Maybe being a Mensa member you were too busy doing crossword puzzles and not smart enough to understand that what happens on the other side of the Pacific Ocean doesn’t mean shit to America.

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  • @MarkinLA
    The great paradox of the Red Menace brainwashing was that we were told that communism could never work and was doomed to fail yet communism had to be defeated everywhere and by force if necessary. If the first is true then why not let it burn itself out to convince other countries that it doesn't work. Maybe the real reason was that there were rich people who hated the idea that the people would use political pressure to even things up a bit.

    ” Why not let it burn itself out to convince people that it doesn’t work”: communism

    Why not? simply because it always first goes through a Stalin and Mao and Castro phase, meaning the murder of millions of innocents, they the commie honchos, call them “counterrevolutionaries” through it’s implimentation.

    Then after it becomes obvious to it’s subjects ( slaves) , that it will never work they start tearing down the walls and fleeing across the borders, or riding innertubes across oceans.

    And just why are you unable to figure this out yourself?

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet and pro Jazz musician.

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    Maybe being a Mensa member you were too busy doing crossword puzzles and not smart enough to understand that what happens on the other side of the Pacific Ocean doesn't mean shit to America.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    I don't remember the " we were told Communism would never work". Weren't young people for a very long time believing naturally in socialism because they had no idea how complex the world was, how varied human desires were or how human stuff ups occurred and were magnified by having to coordinate many people? After all Hayek's insights still had to be propagated by his writing his magnum opus about 1959 (I was given a copy in 1980).

    I do recall the greatest Australian CJ, who had been in DC for Australia 1942-45 and got to know Frankfurter, Acheson et al as friends observing, with the US in mind, of the UK taking in blacks that "you can get rid of Communism in 50 years but they'll never get rid of that!". Like Enoch Powell he was a classical scholar.

    I am inclined to credit people who knew the truth of Communist rule - nothing to do with economics - in what were, it is true, not Marx's favoured countries for dictatorships of the proletariat, having good non-economic reasons for tesisting Communism even if they weten't religious and therefore understandably objecting to compulsory atheism. But what you say about the rich is worth considering.

    But who were the "rich"? Every American in the eyes of post WW2 Europeans (remember the "overpaid, oversexed and over here!"?)?

    But who were the “rich”?

    The people who had an interest in exploiting other counties like United Fruit Company who was in bed with our hand-picked right wing dictators.

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  • @JVC
    Are you a VietNam vet??? Most (maybe) all of my brother VN vets agree with me, and to a certain extent Mr. Pilger, and I know this because I meet with my brothers in group once a week for at least the last 15 years. You do understand that it was not the grunts responsible for the mass killings, although they (we) did pull the triggers--it was policy from on high, Westy at the very minimum. Mi Lai was not an isolated "accident", and it was because of such doings that so many VN veterans have checked out early through suicide and/or self medication. Of course the war was "ignoble" name one that wasn't/is. The need to fight the"evils" of communism was just another excuse to enrich certain individuals / companies, no different from the excuses used to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, destroy Libya by air, and wreck havoc in numerous other countries today.

    You are guilty of perpetuating the myth that us Vietnam veterans are all loose cannons, ready to explode at a moment’s notice, when triggered by “cues”. This damaging perception of Vietnam veterans was prevalent through the 1960s and 1970s and was false, on its face. Your purposeful (mis)perception of Vietnam veterans is still common among you pinko, left-wing, pro-communist types. This attitude toward Vietnam veterans did much to exclude us from meaningful job opportunities, amid the social ostracization we endured.
    Almost all of us Vietnam veterans came back “to the world” and resumed our lives, where we left off. As it was unpopular to be in uniform, most of took off our uniforms immediately upon arrival, to avoid the wrath of the so-called “anti-war protesters”.
    You must have been on of these anti-war (actually anti-draft) protesters whose only purpose was to save your own skin from military service.
    There were many of us who went to Vietnam who fostered friendships among the local indigenous population, those of us who were not in line units, but were part of a little-known (and publicized) pacification effort, which was quite successful.
    For further reading on this little-known effort, the USMC “Combined Action Program” obtain and read “Our War Was Different” by Al Hemingway.
    I do fault Ken Burns for not including the pacification efforts in his documentary…

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  • @Rich
    Thanks for making an old guy like me feel young again by calling me "kid", I appreciate it. As for the rest of what you wrote, you sound like you're angry with your daddy but don't know who he is, so you're taking it out on your Uncle Sam. Obviously an ideologue like yourself already has his mind made up, so I won't bother setting you straight. Good luck.

    Petulence will get you nowhere.
    [Hopefully] Facts would set you free !

    Murder Inc

    USA

    INDIA

    ‘How come we dont know shit about these ?’

    You gotta thank ..
    Holywood, CNN, FAUX, WARSJ, BBC, GUARDIAN, …….
    aka

    Fake news Inc.
    Dedicated brain laundry service.

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    'Reading this article should cause any fair-minded reader to ask whether or not India is a terrorist state seeking hegemony in South Asia and questions whether India is a country we should trust as an ally.'
     
    But, but....

    Even a five year old kid knows that The unitedsnake is a terrorist state seeking hegemony in the whole planet . !

    'whether India is a country we should trust as an ally.'
     
    LOL,
    It'd seem that USA./INDIA is a partnership made in heaven !

    Just like the genocidist Suharto,
    Modi of Gujarat's fame is uncle sham's
    'my kind of guy' today.
    Is he any 'lesser evil' ? [sic]
    Nope, but he's doing uncle sham's bidding , that's what counts in Washington my dear. !

    Do you understand now, Rich ?
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  • @Rich
    Thanks for making an old guy like me feel young again by calling me "kid", I appreciate it. As for the rest of what you wrote, you sound like you're angry with your daddy but don't know who he is, so you're taking it out on your Uncle Sam. Obviously an ideologue like yourself already has his mind made up, so I won't bother setting you straight. Good luck.

    Yes, your years of experience of the world have recognised something very disturbed about this “Denk”. He erupts from time to time in a way which suggests some sort of anger + medicaton + ? problem that you cleatly sense.

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  • I don’t remember the ” we were told Communism would never work”. Weren’t young people for a very long time believing naturally in socialism because they had no idea how complex the world was, how varied human desires were or how human stuff ups occurred and were magnified by having to coordinate many people? After all Hayek’s insights still had to be propagated by his writing his magnum opus about 1959 (I was given a copy in 1980).

    I do recall the greatest Australian CJ, who had been in DC for Australia 1942-45 and got to know Frankfurter, Acheson et al as friends observing, with the US in mind, of the UK taking in blacks that “you can get rid of Communism in 50 years but they’ll never get rid of that!”. Like Enoch Powell he was a classical scholar.

    I am inclined to credit people who knew the truth of Communist rule – nothing to do with economics – in what were, it is true, not Marx’s favoured countries for dictatorships of the proletariat, having good non-economic reasons for tesisting Communism even if they weten’t religious and therefore understandably objecting to compulsory atheism. But what you say about the rich is worth considering.

    But who were the “rich”? Every American in the eyes of post WW2 Europeans (remember the “overpaid, oversexed and over here!”?)?

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    But who were the “rich”?

    The people who had an interest in exploiting other counties like United Fruit Company who was in bed with our hand-picked right wing dictators.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    You remember no doubt the often derided "domino effect" that was a genuinely expressed fear in the 60s. Certainly Malaysia, Singapore and, eventually Indonesia regarded Communism as expansionist and, obviously Australia would have had to make policy adjustments to accommodate a complete Communist takeover of SE Asia resulting from the US saying "it doesn't matter to us". Those might have been the beginnings of policy changes in many countries which in the end would have made the US uncomfortable in its own hemisphere.

    The great paradox of the Red Menace brainwashing was that we were told that communism could never work and was doomed to fail yet communism had to be defeated everywhere and by force if necessary. If the first is true then why not let it burn itself out to convince other countries that it doesn’t work. Maybe the real reason was that there were rich people who hated the idea that the people would use political pressure to even things up a bit.

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    " Why not let it burn itself out to convince people that it doesn't work": communism

    Why not? simply because it always first goes through a Stalin and Mao and Castro phase, meaning the murder of millions of innocents, they the commie honchos, call them "counterrevolutionaries" through it's implimentation.

    Then after it becomes obvious to it's subjects ( slaves) , that it will never work they start tearing down the walls and fleeing across the borders, or riding innertubes across oceans.

    And just why are you unable to figure this out yourself?

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet and pro Jazz musician.

    , @anarchyst
    communism is always IMPOSED on an unwilling populace. communism is NEVER embraced by the populace...
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  • @Alden
    Mao and Ho were not allies of the US in WW2. They spent the war avoiding battle and eliminating non communist Chinese and Vietnames so as to be able to take over when the war ended which is exactly what happened.

    Mao and Ho were not allies of the US in WW2. They spent the war avoiding battle…

    Mao Ho, Mao Ho
    It’s off to war we go

    Woulda been catchy.

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  • @MarkinLA
    Well when I do that more entries pop up for "Contra atrocities"

    Of course the leftist media would write more unfavorable stories about the Contras. But, hopefully, you’ve been able to educate yourself in regards to the sins of the Sandinista even with the attempted left wing media cover-up. Just think, even with the hostile media, you’ve still been able to glimpse the truth. Let’s hope the internet stays free.

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  • @denk

    in the words of the great leftist hero FDR, “He (Samoza) may be a son of a bitch, but he’s our son of a bitch.” Sometimes you have to go with the lesser of two evils.
     
    KId,
    no wonder another poster mentioned that you seem to have problem in comprehension.
    Is English your natural language ?

    'He might be a sob but he's OUR sob'
     
    = 'As long as he's in our team, I dont give a fuck if he's the devil himself "

    Lesser evil my ass !
    Evil is uncle sham's tonic,
    He is the great satan himself !

    Thats why Clinton gushed over Suharto as
    'our kind of guy',
    after the Indonesian prez wiped out more than three million 'commie suspects' peasants !

    Incidentally, this earns Indonesia the 'honorable' membership to
    Murder Inc.

    Ladies and gentlemen,

    Murder Inc , aka
    The world's top three butchers !

    USA, aka 'the worlds' oldest democracy',
    INDIA, aka 'the worlds' largest democracy'
    INDONESIA., aka 'the world's second largest democracy'

    [SIC !]

    This should be made into faq no 1
    Sick of educating dumb murkkans.

    Thanks for making an old guy like me feel young again by calling me “kid”, I appreciate it. As for the rest of what you wrote, you sound like you’re angry with your daddy but don’t know who he is, so you’re taking it out on your Uncle Sam. Obviously an ideologue like yourself already has his mind made up, so I won’t bother setting you straight. Good luck.

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    Yes, your years of experience of the world have recognised something very disturbed about this "Denk". He erupts from time to time in a way which suggests some sort of anger + medicaton + ? problem that you cleatly sense.
    , @denk
    Petulence will get you nowhere.
    [Hopefully] Facts would set you free !


    Murder Inc

    USA

    INDIA

    'How come we dont know shit about these ?'
     
    You gotta thank ..
    Holywood, CNN, FAUX, WARSJ, BBC, GUARDIAN, .......
    aka

    Fake news Inc.
    Dedicated brain laundry service.
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  • @Carroll Price
    Communism is not the problem, and never was. While you, and others like you were busy worrying about Communism taking over, Cultural Marxism, which is the political/social arm of Communism (politically correct speech, equality, etc.) quietly and successfully consumed the entire Western World, including the United States. Cultural Marxism is nothing more or less than Communism without communes.

    Sorry my mistake as you are basically saying the same thing I am.

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  • @anarchyst
    You are correct...misbehavior against civilians was punished severely. This latest "documentary" on the Vietnam war does not place enough blame on the North Vietnamese communists who INVADED the South, or the communists routine murder of South Vietnamese village officials, "collaborators" and their families, including women, children and even babies. EVERY communist regime has resorted to murdering complete families, no matter how young...North Vietnamese communists were no different. For a different perspective on the Vietnam war, in the actual words of the participants, please obtain and read "Our War Was Different" by Al Hemingway. This offers a unique perspective on the war and the pacification efforts which were mostly successful

    Yeah, right: “…misbehavior against civilians was punished severely.” This “misbehavior against civilians” must not include those thousands blown up by B-52 bombings of the North. Dumping tons of Agent Orange on their rice fields to starve them into submission and rounding them up into “strategic hamlets” “ain’t misbehavin” either.

    That why Lt. William Calley served a “severe” 3 1/2 years under house arrest for his role in the My Lai massacre, after the Americans hanged those evil Nazis at Nuremberg. Just as William Tecumseh Sherman was “punished severely” for his war crimes in Georgia.

    Just remember: “Americans are Good!” Repeat this ten times every morning like a good American.

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  • @Carroll Price
    Communism is not the problem, and never was. While you, and others like you were busy worrying about Communism taking over, Cultural Marxism, which is the political/social arm of Communism (politically correct speech, equality, etc.) quietly and successfully consumed the entire Western World, including the United States. Cultural Marxism is nothing more or less than Communism without communes.

    “Communism is not the problem, and never was”

    This is absurd and pure nonsense, as the goal, the end result of the saturation of society with “Cultural Marxism”, and the actual and only reason for the forcing/imposing of CM on society IS the manifestation of Communism itself.

    Jeez how someone cannot see this is perplexing and mind-boggling.

    Plus the fact that the “Cultural Marxists” are wishing for and are going to get something which they will deeply regret, as many of them do not see, realize where their striving are heading.

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  • @Rich
    It could be true that you never heard any stories about the murders, rapes and pillaging carried out by the Sandinistas, because the Leftist media has been covering up communist atrocities since at least Duranty and the NY Times covered up Soviet atrocities in Ukraine. If you're being honest and aren't just a communist sympathizer, you can easily Google "Sandinista atrocities" and get yourself a nice long list.

    I'm not writing as a Samoza partisan, although the Nicaraguans I've known in the past said life was better under his autocratic rule, but, in the words of the great leftist hero FDR, "He (Samoza) may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch." Sometimes you have to go with the lesser of two evils.

    in the words of the great leftist hero FDR, “He (Samoza) may be a son of a bitch, but he’s our son of a bitch.” Sometimes you have to go with the lesser of two evils.

    KId,
    no wonder another poster mentioned that you seem to have problem in comprehension.
    Is English your natural language ?

    ‘He might be a sob but he’s OUR sob’

    = ‘As long as he’s in our team, I dont give a fuck if he’s the devil himself ”

    Lesser evil my ass !
    Evil is uncle sham’s tonic,
    He is the great satan himself !

    Thats why Clinton gushed over Suharto as
    our kind of guy‘,
    after the Indonesian prez wiped out more than three million ‘commie suspects‘ peasants !

    Incidentally, this earns Indonesia the ‘honorable’ membership to
    Murder Inc.

    Ladies and gentlemen,

    Murder Inc , aka
    The world’s top three butchers !

    USA, aka ‘the worlds’ oldest democracy’,
    INDIA, aka ‘the worlds’ largest democracy’
    INDONESIA., aka ‘the world’s second largest democracy’

    [SIC !]

    This should be made into faq no 1
    Sick of educating dumb murkkans.

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    Thanks for making an old guy like me feel young again by calling me "kid", I appreciate it. As for the rest of what you wrote, you sound like you're angry with your daddy but don't know who he is, so you're taking it out on your Uncle Sam. Obviously an ideologue like yourself already has his mind made up, so I won't bother setting you straight. Good luck.
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  • @MarkinLA
    We were in western Europe, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and the Philippines that were all easily defended. The countries in Asia need to figure out what works best for them.

    However, the great mistake was not pushing France to get rid of its Asian colonies on friendly terms and work with them on developing their infrastructure using soft pressure (on those countries) to move away from communist economic policies.

    There is a difference between a militarily strong Germany on your border and economically weak countries that don't threaten you and can never do so in the foreseeable future.

    You remember no doubt the often derided “domino effect” that was a genuinely expressed fear in the 60s. Certainly Malaysia, Singapore and, eventually Indonesia regarded Communism as expansionist and, obviously Australia would have had to make policy adjustments to accommodate a complete Communist takeover of SE Asia resulting from the US saying “it doesn’t matter to us”. Those might have been the beginnings of policy changes in many countries which in the end would have made the US uncomfortable in its own hemisphere.

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    The great paradox of the Red Menace brainwashing was that we were told that communism could never work and was doomed to fail yet communism had to be defeated everywhere and by force if necessary. If the first is true then why not let it burn itself out to convince other countries that it doesn't work. Maybe the real reason was that there were rich people who hated the idea that the people would use political pressure to even things up a bit.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Where would you have drawn the line at Communist expansion? Or not at all? When you know, or have a fair idea, what an enemy is up to and that he intends to continue without regard to your fears or objections are you willing to take the chance that your eventual compelled opposition will be too late? If only France had resisted Hitler's first moves in the Rhineland and Britain had started rearming three years earlier.....

    We were in western Europe, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and the Philippines that were all easily defended. The countries in Asia need to figure out what works best for them.

    However, the great mistake was not pushing France to get rid of its Asian colonies on friendly terms and work with them on developing their infrastructure using soft pressure (on those countries) to move away from communist economic policies.

    There is a difference between a militarily strong Germany on your border and economically weak countries that don’t threaten you and can never do so in the foreseeable future.

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    You remember no doubt the often derided "domino effect" that was a genuinely expressed fear in the 60s. Certainly Malaysia, Singapore and, eventually Indonesia regarded Communism as expansionist and, obviously Australia would have had to make policy adjustments to accommodate a complete Communist takeover of SE Asia resulting from the US saying "it doesn't matter to us". Those might have been the beginnings of policy changes in many countries which in the end would have made the US uncomfortable in its own hemisphere.
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  • @Rich
    It could be true that you never heard any stories about the murders, rapes and pillaging carried out by the Sandinistas, because the Leftist media has been covering up communist atrocities since at least Duranty and the NY Times covered up Soviet atrocities in Ukraine. If you're being honest and aren't just a communist sympathizer, you can easily Google "Sandinista atrocities" and get yourself a nice long list.

    I'm not writing as a Samoza partisan, although the Nicaraguans I've known in the past said life was better under his autocratic rule, but, in the words of the great leftist hero FDR, "He (Samoza) may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch." Sometimes you have to go with the lesser of two evils.

    Well when I do that more entries pop up for “Contra atrocities”

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    Of course the leftist media would write more unfavorable stories about the Contras. But, hopefully, you've been able to educate yourself in regards to the sins of the Sandinista even with the attempted left wing media cover-up. Just think, even with the hostile media, you've still been able to glimpse the truth. Let's hope the internet stays free.
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  • @Rich
    Communism needed to be stopped at all costs. Obviously you are unfamiliar with what the communists did to people under their rule.
    If the CIA had a role in the Italian elections of 1946 they must have invented a time machine, since the CIA wasn't founded until 1947. But good for whoever did help the Italians from being taken over by the murderous Reds. For more information on the Italian commies you might want to read some Eugenio Corti, a writer who served with the Italian Army on the Russian Front.

    Communism is not the problem, and never was. While you, and others like you were busy worrying about Communism taking over, Cultural Marxism, which is the political/social arm of Communism (politically correct speech, equality, etc.) quietly and successfully consumed the entire Western World, including the United States. Cultural Marxism is nothing more or less than Communism without communes.

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    "Communism is not the problem, and never was"

    This is absurd and pure nonsense, as the goal, the end result of the saturation of society with "Cultural Marxism", and the actual and only reason for the forcing/imposing of CM on society IS the manifestation of Communism itself.

    Jeez how someone cannot see this is perplexing and mind-boggling.

    Plus the fact that the "Cultural Marxists" are wishing for and are going to get something which they will deeply regret, as many of them do not see, realize where their striving are heading.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us army Vet, and pro jazz musician.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    Sorry my mistake as you are basically saying the same thing I am.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz artist.
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  • @Alden
    Totally off topic. I gather that in the more than 70 years of the Jewish Communists vs Catholic Church fight you side with the Jewish communists and the slaughter of Ukranians and Russisn Catholics and other Christians.
    Whatever your intent, that's how your comments read.
    And now this comment; you side with Lebanese Muslims against the Catholic Lebanese who have fought hard for 1,500 years to preserve their culture, ethnicity and religion against the invading Arab Muslims.
    That's the essence of your comments on this thread alone; communists good, Catholics bad, Muslims good, Catholics bad.

    I am siding with the historic American nation http://www.vdare.com/letters/an-irish-reader-is-puzzled-about-the-historic-american-nation

    Billionaire Carlos Slim’s Foundation To Help Mexican Residents Become U.S. Citizens

    The Carlos Slim Foundation, Mexican billioniare Carlos Slim Helú’s philanthropic organization, joined forces with the National Autonomous University of Mexico, known as UNAM, and the country’s Commission on Human Rights to help Mexican legal immigrants in the U.S. become citizens, the three organizations announced last month. There are 2.7 million permanent residents from Mexico eligible for U.S. citizenship who haven’t taken that step yet, according to the Pew Center.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/doliaestevez/2017/04/03/billionaire-carlos-slims-foundation-to-help-mexican-residents-become-u-s-citizens/#4ed9d4f72d8f

    The Fascist Roots of Carlos Slim’s Dynasty

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-fascist-roots-of-carlos-slims-dynasty/

    Very good and interesting discussion going on at the moment over at Mr. Sailer’s blog:

    Interestingly, it was also at this time that the Troubles reignited in Ireland over British occupation of the North, leading many Irish-Americans to start once again taking an interest in Irish politics (and covertly funding IRA activities and taking interest in getting the Brits out).

    Once it was clear that the U.S. was pulling out of Vietnam, communist agents saw their job at killing U.S. morale in the war was largely complete,and apparently after 1968 through the 1970s turned their attention to fomenting ethnic rebellions against other U.S. allies (the IRA against the British, the Arabs against the Israelis) and fomenting ethnic rebellion within the U.S. (FALN, Black Panthers).

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/dennis-ross-memories-of-an-anti-semitic-state-department/#comment-2022312

    My contribution to the discussion: http://www.unz.com/isteve/dennis-ross-memories-of-an-anti-semitic-state-department/#comment-2022317

    P.s.: Alden just exposed my true identity, not a pretty sight, to say the least: http://www.unz.com/tsaker/listening-to-the-donald-at-the-un/#comment-2022848

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  • @Alden
    Let your children be drafted but never mine. America is the enemy of Whites. It wants us gone the same way Stalin and Lenin wanted the Kulaks and Christianity gone.

    Any person who thinks Whites should be drafted into the enemy army is a fool.

    And the draft will result in tens of millions of dollars and millions of hours wasted getting rid of the retarded criminal blacks the draft will bring to the induction centers.

    A major reason the military was happy to get rid of the draft was to get rid of the criminal retarded blacks.

    If we do bring back the draft the 70 IQ blacks will of course be rejected. Then the ACLU NAACP AJC ADL SPLC will bring a disproportionate impact lawsuit.

    The judges will of course side with the NAACP etc and the taxpayers will be feeding, housing, clothing and medicating an army of ghetto layabouts

    It's already a welfare center for single mothers, gays and other useless consumers of oxygen. But at least for now an IQ of at least 85 is required.

    A full 40 percent of blacks have IQs below 80. Just what the military needs.
    You want your daughter to have to chose between a lesbian and a black man sergeant with total power over her?

    You make several excellent point. Absent a draft, can you offer a better solution for ending the current state of permanent war?

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  • @geokat62

    Do you have a source to Hillary talking about totally obliterating Iran?
     

    Clinton made her comments on Tuesday, the day of the Pennsylvania primaries. She was asked during an interview on ABC’s program “Good Morning America” about her previous comments that she would respond with “massive retaliation” if Iran attacked Israel. She responded by adopting an even more militarist tone.

    Rephrasing the question to address a potential Iranian nuclear strike on Israel, Clinton said, “I want the Iranians to know, if I am the president, we will attack Iran. And I want them to understand that, because it does mean that they have to look very carefully at their society, because at whatever stage of development they might be with their nuclear weapons program in the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/04/iran-a24.html
     

    Thank you.
    Clearly the context is somewhat different as when implied by quotation sou the last phrase alone.

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  • @JVC

    If you’ve somehow interpreted the UN charter to call the US involvement in Vietnam a “war crime” you’re skating on the thinnest of ice. The US was in Vietnam at the invitation of the legitimate South Vietnamese government, defending them from an illegal invasion by the North Vietnamese communists and the terror attacks of the Viet Cong.
     
    this statement has no truth to it at all, unless you consider a dictatorship imposed on the Vietnamese (south) by the CIA legitimate.

    Hope that your "studies" have taught you that Ho Chi Minh didn't start out as a communist--He fought for the French in WWI after which Wilson refused to even consider his request for independence for his country . He was a US ally against the Japanese in WWII, (as was mao BTY) and this time his request for independence was laughed off by Truman --keeping the French colonial empire was much more important --economically for the French, and to a degree the US. The revolution was against the french for independence, and after DienBien phu, (did your "extensive studies" tell you about the US soldiers who were there) Ho was once again screwed by the US with the promise of free and fair elections in the south within 2 years--CIA knew he would win so the free and fair elections never happened and Diem was installed as a military dictator instead. Oh sure--he won a rigged election with 98% of the vote, but the common folk of the south wanted nothing to do with him nor his string pullers in the US consulate. In fact, just like every other country we have screwed with, all the people wanted was a chance to go about their business in peace--something that was denied them in VietNam for essentially 35 years, first by the French, followed by the good old USA.

    Maybe you'll get around to studying the CIA, and it's continuing roll in creating chaos, along with the MIC where ever, when ever it wants around the world, and that the one president that saw through them, and Allen Dullas in particular was taken out in the coup d'etat of Nov 63. Probably not though since from what you have said, your "studies" don't amount to much learning at all.

    have a nice day, but spread your my country tis to be BS elsewhere OK???

    Mao and Ho were not allies of the US in WW2. They spent the war avoiding battle and eliminating non communist Chinese and Vietnames so as to be able to take over when the war ended which is exactly what happened.

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    Mao and Ho were not allies of the US in WW2. They spent the war avoiding battle...
     
    Mao Ho, Mao Ho
    It's off to war we go


    Woulda been catchy.
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  • @utu
    Do you have a source to Hillary talking about totally obliterating Iran?

    During 2015-2016 Trump as I remember talked about Iran in negative terms.

    Do you have a source to Hillary talking about totally obliterating Iran?

    Steve said it, not me, so ask him.

    Don’t take things so obliterally.

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  • @Carroll Price

    The draft ended because the powers that be realized that it was the draft that made the war so unpopular, and was the reason behind much of the antiwar movement
     
    .

    Which makes a strong argument in favor of re-instating the draft. Any war worth fighting should be willingly and eagerly participated in by all of America's children. Not just by children of the poor, the ignorant and the naïve.

    Let your children be drafted but never mine. America is the enemy of Whites. It wants us gone the same way Stalin and Lenin wanted the Kulaks and Christianity gone.

    Any person who thinks Whites should be drafted into the enemy army is a fool.

    And the draft will result in tens of millions of dollars and millions of hours wasted getting rid of the retarded criminal blacks the draft will bring to the induction centers.

    A major reason the military was happy to get rid of the draft was to get rid of the criminal retarded blacks.

    If we do bring back the draft the 70 IQ blacks will of course be rejected. Then the ACLU NAACP AJC ADL SPLC will bring a disproportionate impact lawsuit.

    The judges will of course side with the NAACP etc and the taxpayers will be feeding, housing, clothing and medicating an army of ghetto layabouts

    It’s already a welfare center for single mothers, gays and other useless consumers of oxygen. But at least for now an IQ of at least 85 is required.

    A full 40 percent of blacks have IQs below 80. Just what the military needs.
    You want your daughter to have to chose between a lesbian and a black man sergeant with total power over her?

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    You make several excellent point. Absent a draft, can you offer a better solution for ending the current state of permanent war?
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  • @Alden
    So you live in Germany?

    ” So you live in Germany”

    Not anymore , however my wife is German and we do spend time there, as her older sister is still there, as is her extensive family.

    Germany is so bonkers now that the air vibrates with lunacy.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

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  • @Priss Factor
    Interesting.

    CucKen Burns is a prog. Is his kindlier version of the Vietnam War a reflection of how the progs have become pro-imperialist in the globalist age? After all, progs have been silent about Obama's wars and are least angry with Trump when he is saber-rattling the most, esp against Russia, Iran, and North Korea.

    With Deep State totally ruled by globalists, homos, and multi-culturalists, it seems most progs are now in imperialist mode. As most progs worship Jews, homos, and blacks, they seek to transform the entire world to Jewish dominance, homomania, and Afromania, the holy mission of the US.

    Also, there is some truth to Burn's position. Progs were once sympathetic to communism if not communist because they loathed imperialism then associated with capitalism. Also, the right-wing regimes supported by the US could be brutal.

    But communism turned out to be a big disaster. Vietnam itself turned against it and is now among the most welcome nations to Americanism. It even has homo parades to do more trade with the US. And Viet kids are addicted to rap, Hollywood, and consumerism. Prostitution is back in a big way.

    When Saigon fell, many leftists rejoiced and looked forward to something noble. But communists acted terribly and in Cambodia, one of the great horrors took place. And revelations about Mao's China were most sobering.

    So, even in cases where the US failed to win the military war, it won the economic and political and cultural war.

    The end of the Cold War was a great time for the US, a real victory with the West being vindicated over the East. But since then, the boomers who took over power degraded culture with filth, decadence, trash, and shut down freedom with PC. The West is now just another tyrannical force, and it's all about power, not about principles.

    It goes to show that a fascist-democracy is the best way. Communism failed and Liberal Democracy is failing to as it leads to globalist oligarchy.

    US fought a brutal war in Vietnam and other places, but the communists were plenty ruthless and demented too.

    PS. CucKen Burns gained fame with CIVIL WAR. I wonder.... If the South had decided to end slavery but also to secede from the Union, would the Civil War still have happened?

    Yes the civil war would still have happened if the south had ended slavery and then secceded from the union.

    Lincoln made several speeches clearly stating that his main objective was preserving the union.

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  • @FKA Max
    So, 5 Supreme Court justices, and Neil Gorsuch having attended Catholic schools in his youth which could make him vulnerable to Catholic lobbying, Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, a very influential ex-Catholic Vice President Mike Pence, National Security Advisor General Kelly and his best friend General Dunford as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, etc. pp. equals being ``powerless'' in your book!?

    Dunford was born in Boston in 1955,[5] and raised in Quincy, Massachusetts. He is of Irish background[6] and has been described as a "fervent Catholic."[7]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Dunford#Early_life_and_education

    Catholics in Congress: one-third of House, one-quarter of Senate

    Overall, there are six fewer Christians in the new Congress, at 485 members. But there are four more Catholics, who now total 168.
     
    - http://www.catholicnews.com/services/englishnews/2017/catholics-in-congress-one-third-of-house-one-quarter-of-senate.cfm

    This is what Avro Manhattan had to say:

    Chapter 23
    VIETNAM—THE CROATIA OF ASIA

    The South Vietnamese and Croatian Catholic dictatorships, therefore, are the most striking examples of how the spirit of Catholicism can stultify the most diverse political systems and cultures with the bacillae of intolerance.

    It cannot be otherwise. Since her claims to uniqueness and hence to religious supremacy will be identified with those who are ready to accept them as basic truths upon which the fabric of society must rest.

    An Eskimo and a Central African or, in our case, a Croat and a South Vietnamese, therefore, notwithstanding all their racial and cultural differences, by the very fact that they are members of the same anti-libertarian Church, will automatically scorn democracy and abhor freedom.

    The import of this is portentous. The implication being that the Catholic Church is potentially capable of carrying out the ghastly experiments of both Croatia and South Vietnam in other countries, independently of their political systems.

    Which means that, given the favourable circumstances, she would not hesitate to repeat them anywhere in the world, wherever there are Catholics. And, since there are Catholics in practically every country, the risk of another Croatian or South Vietnamese "experiment" in the near or distant future, becomes not a theoretical speculation.

    But a possibility.
     
    - http://www.reformation.org/holoc23.html

    This is why I am so worried about the high rate of Catholic immigration, legal and illegal, into the United States and these immigrants' higher fertility rates.

    Do you think the following is a healthy development and proof of powerlessness?

    We had heard rumors from several lawmakers that Boehner was mulling retirement and that, as a Catholic, he privately saw the pope’s congressional visit, which he had orchestrated, as a fitting denouement to his long political career.
     
    - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/john-boehner-in-twilight/2015/09/25/124fc54a-6399-11e5-8e9e-dce8a2a2a679_story.html?utm_term=.d1a483a97e3d

    http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/kgo/images/cms/1000223_1280x720.jpg

    Nothing to prevent you from moving to the northern ( most expensive) part of San Francisco and running against Pelosi. Or you could set up residence anywhere in California and run against Senators Feinstein and Harris.

    And there’s nothing to prevent the “Protestant Church” from forming some PACs and putting more “Protestants” in congress and in the judiciary.

    Oops, forgot there’s no such thing as a Protestant church. There’s not even a coalition or congress or convention or any kind of organization of the 10,000 or more Protestant churches.

    And what a collection those Protestants are. Everything from the Episcopal church commit ing suicide over the married gay bishops and clergy critters flaunting their anal sex activities at services to evangelicals waiting for the rapture at the end of the world.
    Can’t forget the Unitarians who don’t believe in God.

    Last but not least there is the communist front the World Council of Churches. Every Christian church in the world joined except the Catholics. The Vatican knew that the WCC was a communist front from day one. And of course anyone who followed the activities and pronouncements of the WCC during the Cold War realized exactly what it was. And the Catholic Church never joined the WCC.

    You have revealed yourself as pro communist and pro Muslim because of your advocacy of anything and everything opposed by the Catholics.

    Bet you are a fervent advocate of 2 days before due date abortion of 7 pound 20 inch living babies simply because the Catholics are against it.

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  • @FKA Max
    Slightly off-topic, but here another ``powerless'' person, who has absolutely no influence in the United States:

    Due to the vast size of his business empire, Slim often jokes that he can't keep track of all the companies he manages.[5] Carlos Slim is a Maronite Catholic,[66][67] and he is one of the prominent backers of Legion of Christ, a Roman Catholic religious institute.[68][69]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Slim#Personal_life

    Carlos Slim's Late Wife Was a Member of the Most Bloodthirsty Lebanese Warlord Clan

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/carlos-slims-late-wife-was-a-member-of-the-leading-lebanese-warlord-clan/

    Mrs. Slim was a Gemayel on her mother’s side. The name “Gemayel” brings back memories.

    Lebanon’s Gemayel Family has its own Wikipedia page, with eleven members of the family having individual Wiki pages.

    If you followed Israel’s invasion of Lebanon in 1982 and America’s subsequent misadventure in Lebanon, you’ll remember hearing the name Gemayel.

     

    Totally off topic. I gather that in the more than 70 years of the Jewish Communists vs Catholic Church fight you side with the Jewish communists and the slaughter of Ukranians and Russisn Catholics and other Christians.
    Whatever your intent, that’s how your comments read.
    And now this comment; you side with Lebanese Muslims against the Catholic Lebanese who have fought hard for 1,500 years to preserve their culture, ethnicity and religion against the invading Arab Muslims.
    That’s the essence of your comments on this thread alone; communists good, Catholics bad, Muslims good, Catholics bad.

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    I am siding with the historic American nation http://www.vdare.com/letters/an-irish-reader-is-puzzled-about-the-historic-american-nation

    Billionaire Carlos Slim's Foundation To Help Mexican Residents Become U.S. Citizens

    The Carlos Slim Foundation, Mexican billioniare Carlos Slim Helú's philanthropic organization, joined forces with the National Autonomous University of Mexico, known as UNAM, and the country’s Commission on Human Rights to help Mexican legal immigrants in the U.S. become citizens, the three organizations announced last month. There are 2.7 million permanent residents from Mexico eligible for U.S. citizenship who haven’t taken that step yet, according to the Pew Center.
     
    - https://www.forbes.com/sites/doliaestevez/2017/04/03/billionaire-carlos-slims-foundation-to-help-mexican-residents-become-u-s-citizens/#4ed9d4f72d8f

    The Fascist Roots of Carlos Slim's Dynasty
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-fascist-roots-of-carlos-slims-dynasty/

    Very good and interesting discussion going on at the moment over at Mr. Sailer's blog:

    Interestingly, it was also at this time that the Troubles reignited in Ireland over British occupation of the North, leading many Irish-Americans to start once again taking an interest in Irish politics (and covertly funding IRA activities and taking interest in getting the Brits out).

    Once it was clear that the U.S. was pulling out of Vietnam, communist agents saw their job at killing U.S. morale in the war was largely complete,and apparently after 1968 through the 1970s turned their attention to fomenting ethnic rebellions against other U.S. allies (the IRA against the British, the Arabs against the Israelis) and fomenting ethnic rebellion within the U.S. (FALN, Black Panthers).
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/dennis-ross-memories-of-an-anti-semitic-state-department/#comment-2022312

    My contribution to the discussion: http://www.unz.com/isteve/dennis-ross-memories-of-an-anti-semitic-state-department/#comment-2022317

    P.s.: Alden just exposed my true identity, not a pretty sight, to say the least: http://www.unz.com/tsaker/listening-to-the-donald-at-the-un/#comment-2022848
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  • @Authenticjazzman
    " You refute him with Germany"

    BS , I did not "refute" him with Germany, rather I refuted him with the concept of general socialized medicine, with it's plethora of flaws.

    I was in hospital for an operation in Germany several years ago, and I was ordered to sit stark naked, on a bench in a heavily traveled public corridor while waiting for my turn on the OP table.

    In the US I would have lawyered up and would be on easy street today.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army Vet, and pro Jazz artist.

    So you live in Germany?

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    " So you live in Germany"

    Not anymore , however my wife is German and we do spend time there, as her older sister is still there, as is her extensive family.

    Germany is so bonkers now that the air vibrates with lunacy.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.
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  • @FKA Max

    So, you seem to believe every world evil is a Catholic conspiracy? It’s an interesting thought. Not a Jewish one, eh?
     
    Of course not. You can read through my comments archive here at the Unz Review and you will see that I am not going easy on the Jews at all, but many other contributors and commenters at the Unz Review are already doing this a lot more skillfully and successfully than I do.

    However, many of them don't focus on or are not interested in the Vatican angle and factor when it comes to foreign and domestic affairs, etc. that much, and that is why I try to bring it up when appropriate and on-topic.

    This might be changing though after Steve Bannon's ``60 minutes'' interview, when this issue was ``mainstreamed'' by Charlie Rose: http://www.unz.com/article/steve-bannon-and-trumps-populist-victory/#comment-1997511

    My main point is that to dismiss a highly organized and centralized religious institution with over 1 billion adherents worldwide as an insignificant player and impotent actor in world affairs and in matters and questions of war and peace is either delusional, insincere or at worst sinister, when such propaganda and falsehoods are propagated to intentionally mislead.


    Or British? These ones I’ve read a fair amount on, but not Catholic.
     
    As to why that is, you might want to have at look at this (eye-opening) documentary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%27s_Angel_(documentary)

    this (unpleasant) fellow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Donohue


    considered the English and Protestants to be the baddies
     
    and my and other commenters' comments under this blog post by Mr. Thompson titled ``Death of a Statesman Terrorist'' http://www.unz.com/jthompson/death-of-a-statesman-terrorist/#comment-1811195

    Have you read/watched E. Michael Jones?
     

    Men like E. Michael Jones and Father Raphael Johnson can be called fellow travelers, to adopt the Communist terminology, but the primacy of their religious commitments diverts them from the primary goals of the Alt Right.
     
    - https://www.counter-currents.com/2016/10/what-the-alt-right-isnt/

    I’ve always liked the Catholics as they are comprised of: Irish, Italians, French, Spanish, and others. Their art and music were great, they unified Europe for over a thousand years.
     
    William N. Vaile put it best and the most diplomatically, in my opinion:

    “Let me emphasize here that the restrictionists of Congress do not claim that the “Nordic” race, or even the Anglo-Saxon race, is the best race in the world. Let us concede, in all fairness that the Czech is a more sturdy laborer … that the Jew is the best businessman in the world, and that the Italian has … a spiritual exaltation and an artistic creative sense which the Nordic rarely attains. Nordics need not be vain about their own qualifications. It well behooves them to be humble.

    What we do claim is that the northern European and particularly Anglo-Saxons made this country. Oh, yes; the others helped. But … [t]hey came to this country because it was already made as an Anglo-Saxon commonwealth
    [...]
    It is a good country. It suits us. And what we assert is that we are not going to surrender it to somebody else or allow other people, no matter what their merits, to make it something different. - http://www.unz.com/plee/trump-we-wish-the-problem-was-fascism/#comment-1617650

    Who wants to read through your endless comments, especially as you endlessly paste you old comments onto new threads.

    I think you are a Hasbarat troll trying to blame all the problems of the world on Catholics so as to draw attention away from what Jews actually do to destroy the western societies Christianity created over 2,000 years.

    Thats why you’ve been banned from so many WN, anti communist, conservative and other websites.

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  • @anarchyst
    I see the Catholic bashers and "Vatican conspiracists" are out in force...
    That being said...
    The Vatican II Ecumenical Council did more to destroy the Catholic Church than just about any other action. Jews and Protestants were notable figures involved in Vatican II who “helped” the Catholic Church “modernize”.
    Outlawing the Tridentine Mass, changing the language from Latin to the vernacular, did much to destroy the Church’s “universality”. Previous to Vatican II, one could attend any Roman Catholic Mass anywhere in the world and understand it. That was all lost with Vatican II. There has been some pushback from traditional pre-Vatican II Catholics (yes, we do exist) that have removed most of the restrictions on the celebration of this Mass.
    In pre-Vatican II times, the priest was considered the “peoples’ representative” and faced the altar, along with the congregation. Turning the priest around to face the congregation changed him from being a peoples’ representative to becoming an “actor”.
    One of the greatest heresies was the absolution of the Jews for the Crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. As the Jews DID take full responsibility, this change in doctrine elevated Jews to the position of “our elder brothers” rather than the bloodthirsty executioners and enemies of Christianity that they (still) are. As is the case today, they got others (the Romans) to do their “dirty work” for them. Even Pontius Pilate KNEW that the Jews wanted the blood of an innocent man on their hands. As he was afraid of Jewish riots, (which were common) he allowed the crucifixion to go on.
    It is interesting to note that, to this day, there is a visceral hatred of Jesus Christ and Christianity among most Jews, their Talmud reinforcing their hatred.
    Contrast that with the Islamic Qur’an which holds high regard for Jesus Christ–not as the Son of God, but an esteemed prophet, nevertheless, while his mother Mary is specifically mentioned in the Qur’an and is given a place of high honor.
    For those interested in traditional pre-Vatican II Catholicism, please look up the “Society of St. Pius X”. You may be presently surprised.

    Interesting, thanks for the history–in fact I’ve learned most of that already via E. Michael Jones, now a pariah of his very own church.

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  • @MarkinLA
    OK Thailand is communist. How does that affect the US? What, no cheap sex tours?

    You have been thoroughly brainwashed like all those 50s and 60s draftees I used to work with in defense. It never ever sunk in to their heads that communism half-way around the world was no threat to the US.

    Where would you have drawn the line at Communist expansion? Or not at all? When you know, or have a fair idea, what an enemy is up to and that he intends to continue without regard to your fears or objections are you willing to take the chance that your eventual compelled opposition will be too late? If only France had resisted Hitler’s first moves in the Rhineland and Britain had started rearming three years earlier…..

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    We were in western Europe, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and the Philippines that were all easily defended. The countries in Asia need to figure out what works best for them.

    However, the great mistake was not pushing France to get rid of its Asian colonies on friendly terms and work with them on developing their infrastructure using soft pressure (on those countries) to move away from communist economic policies.

    There is a difference between a militarily strong Germany on your border and economically weak countries that don't threaten you and can never do so in the foreseeable future.
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  • @Santos
    You nuke the Norks, bye bye USA, your economy and social situation will not be able to handle it, and who knows maybe the Norks will get a missile or two over there, all because of your HUBRIS and unfathomable idiocy.

    Well, takes one to know one. No one’s society or economy fares well post-attack. That’s the promise of nuclear weapons. My advice is we all walk away with an understanding: no one escapes responsibility if the Norks should nuke US. You may have noticed that’s the linchpin of deterrence. Deterrence kept the nuclear players in line for decades. Unfathomable idiocy is threatening a great nuclear power with nuclear annihilation as Kim does, as Iran does. Ultimate stupidity would be actually NUKING a great nuclear power. Hubris would be thinking he and his enablers could get away with it. Now why would anyone think that Kim and his Iranian, Russian and Chinese enablers could nuke the United States and would then get off scot-free? And so, for Iran, Russia and China, the issue is simple: Get control of your client. You don’t get away with the antics of your client-proxy.

    You may want it that way, but it isn’t that way.

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  • @utu
    Do you have a source to Hillary talking about totally obliterating Iran?

    During 2015-2016 Trump as I remember talked about Iran in negative terms.

    Do you have a source to Hillary talking about totally obliterating Iran?

    Clinton made her comments on Tuesday, the day of the Pennsylvania primaries. She was asked during an interview on ABC’s program “Good Morning America” about her previous comments that she would respond with “massive retaliation” if Iran attacked Israel. She responded by adopting an even more militarist tone.

    Rephrasing the question to address a potential Iranian nuclear strike on Israel, Clinton said, “I want the Iranians to know, if I am the president, we will attack Iran. And I want them to understand that, because it does mean that they have to look very carefully at their society, because at whatever stage of development they might be with their nuclear weapons program in the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/04/iran-a24.html

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    Thank you.
    Clearly the context is somewhat different as when implied by quotation sou the last phrase alone.
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  • @Reg Cæsar

    Czechoslovakia was an artificial state, unlike Poland...
     
    Then Czechoslovakia was closer to the world norm than was Poland. Every point of France's "hexagon" is of foreign stock-- speaking Breton, Flemish, Alsatian German, Piedmontese, Catalan, and Basque. And France is relatively homogeneous by world standards.

    Even today's "Czech Republic" is artificial, as it's made up of Bohemia and Moravia.

    Actually, all states are artificial.

    You raise valid points, but they are not really relevant to the question of inter-war Czechoslovakia and more generally the unstable Versailles order.

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  • @Reg Cæsar

    His rival for the presidency, Hillary Clinton, had boasted she was prepared to “totally obliterate” Iran, a nation of more than 80 million people. This is the American Way; only the euphemisms are missing now.
     
    Her party still treats war criminals like FDR and HST as heroes. Why would you expect her to act differently?

    A livid out-of-towner once asked me how we could name our air terminal after Charles Lindbergh, as "he was a Nazi, a Nazi!"

    Progressives don't stop wars because it's progressives that start them.

    Do you have a source to Hillary talking about totally obliterating Iran?

    During 2015-2016 Trump as I remember talked about Iran in negative terms.

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    Do you have a source to Hillary talking about totally obliterating Iran?
     

    Clinton made her comments on Tuesday, the day of the Pennsylvania primaries. She was asked during an interview on ABC’s program “Good Morning America” about her previous comments that she would respond with “massive retaliation” if Iran attacked Israel. She responded by adopting an even more militarist tone.

    Rephrasing the question to address a potential Iranian nuclear strike on Israel, Clinton said, “I want the Iranians to know, if I am the president, we will attack Iran. And I want them to understand that, because it does mean that they have to look very carefully at their society, because at whatever stage of development they might be with their nuclear weapons program in the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/04/iran-a24.html
     
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Do you have a source to Hillary talking about totally obliterating Iran?
     
    Steve said it, not me, so ask him.

    Don't take things so obliterally.
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  • @MarkinLA
    OK Thailand is communist. How does that affect the US? What, no cheap sex tours?

    You have been thoroughly brainwashed like all those 50s and 60s draftees I used to work with in defense. It never ever sunk in to their heads that communism half-way around the world was no threat to the US.

    OK Thailand is communist. How does that affect the US? What, no cheap sex tours?

    OK, France, the Netherlands, and Norway are National Socialist. How does that affect the US? No expensive cheese tours?

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    Czechoslovakia was an artificial state, unlike Poland, and there is no indication Germany wanted to incorporate large parts of Poland.

    Czechoslovakia was an artificial state, unlike Poland…

    Then Czechoslovakia was closer to the world norm than was Poland. Every point of France’s “hexagon” is of foreign stock– speaking Breton, Flemish, Alsatian German, Piedmontese, Catalan, and Basque. And France is relatively homogeneous by world standards.

    Even today’s “Czech Republic” is artificial, as it’s made up of Bohemia and Moravia.

    Actually, all states are artificial.

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    You raise valid points, but they are not really relevant to the question of inter-war Czechoslovakia and more generally the unstable Versailles order.
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  • His rival for the presidency, Hillary Clinton, had boasted she was prepared to “totally obliterate” Iran, a nation of more than 80 million people. This is the American Way; only the euphemisms are missing now.

    Her party still treats war criminals like FDR and HST as heroes. Why would you expect her to act differently?

    A livid out-of-towner once asked me how we could name our air terminal after Charles Lindbergh, as “he was a Nazi, a Nazi!”

    Progressives don’t stop wars because it’s progressives that start them.

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    Do you have a source to Hillary talking about totally obliterating Iran?

    During 2015-2016 Trump as I remember talked about Iran in negative terms.

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  • @SolontoCroesus
    There's a theory that Carter's firing of George H W Bush as head of CIA, along with a lot of CIA agents, set the wheels in motion for Bush to select and place Khomeini as a replacement for Shah Pahlavi.

    Bush still had connections, even if he did not have official capacity. He knew Pahlavi was mortally ill but Carter did not. He cultivated Khomeini and arranged for his installation in Tehran (or Qom, as case may be).

    Recall that the hostages were not freed until hours before ? or after, I forget -- Reagan's inauguration.
    Recall that George H W Bush was Reagan's vice president.

    Bush's motive was revenge. These guys have their psyches and identity totally invested in their power bases. Crossing them is not your average "dang I got busted from manager to pepperoni slicer at the Pizza Hut" scenario.

    I do not buy the revenge by singular guys like Felt or Bush as sufficient explanations. In the case of Bush only ethnocentric Americans can come up with such ridiculous theory. People with grudges and resentments are used but they are rarely initiators of great operations like the Islamic revolution in Iran was. In case of Felt I was wondering whether his resentment is just a cover up for the real reason why Nixon had to go. I would like to find out about this reason so in the meantime I will not eat the pre-cooked dish of Felt revenge for public consumption.

    As far as deposing of Pahlavi by Muslim fundamentalist is concerned it was the first successful operation of destroying a secular ME country with weaponized Muslim fundamentalism. Iran was the target because it was quite successful and was growing economically and maintained good relations with the West and the US and Israel in particular. So there was no way of stopping its growth and strength. It had to be turned into the pariah state first. After Islamic revolution the US cut off the relationship (while Israel still maintained them for a while). Turning Iran into the pariah state was the first successful implementation of yet unpublished Yinon Plan with objective of weakening all secular states (whether Soviet or American client states) in the ME. We do not know who was involved in organizing Islamic revolution but certainly some segments of US, French, British and Israel secret agencies. Nobody then connected (in media) Israel to this operation though some speculated (including Pahlavi himself) that the Brits and French were behind it and as always people talked about oils which in most cases (just like Styria now) is a red herring. Iran under mullahs did not get entirely destroyed and many institution of the secular state were maintained, nevertheless, the development of Iran was set back by many years.

    There were earlier attempts to use the weaponized Muslim fundamentalists in Egypt against Nasser’s secular regime but they failed and Muslim Brotherhood had to be evacuate to Saudi Arabia waiting for a better occasion.

    Another successful operation was undermining the secular pro-Soviet regime in Afghanistan that lead to Soviet interventions that Brzezinski considered the greatest achievement of his career. The recently floated picture of girls in mini skirts in Kabul that was shown to Trump was from the time of pro-Soviet regime of Babrak Kamal that the US helped to destroy.

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  • @Anon
    Then why did they incorporate large parts of Poland?

    Political and military necessities. The Germans did not want war and were surprised the British were willing to fight one over Poland. Hitler in fact entertained the idea of a Polish rump state but this met with Soviet opposition.

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  • @MarkinLA
    Yeah, I forgot Hitler loved Slavs.

    You’re just being inane now. Stick with Vietnam.

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    There's nothing Polish Jews wanted more than war with Germany.

    Do you honestly believe that?

    Your phrasing is maximalist.

    The reality is more nuanced and complex.

    For one thing, It is a fact that there was a lot of very bad blood between Polish Jews and Poles. Poles wanted Jews out of Poland just as much as Germans wanted Jews out of Germany. There was a lot of vicious fighting and killing between Poles and Polish Jews. Germans in Poland had some grievances against Poles, but the greater share of violence was between Poles & Polish Jews — until war got hot then all bets off.

    But it was definitely the case that “there was nothing American Jews wanted more than war with Germany,” and they were willing to sacrifice Polish Jews to their goal of destroying Germany.

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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Then why did they incorporate large parts of Poland?

    once war is begun, all bets are off.
    the blood gets up.

    that’s why the period before wars start — the years and methods of incitements & provocations are so important to understand, from real history, in order to have tools to defuse them when they play out again. Like sanctions — doesn’t your average kindergartner understand that sanctions are an act of war, preparatory to a hot war?

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  • @utu
    it was an act of revenge

    His reason for going after Nixon was the fact that he expected to be appointed as the director of the FBI,

    You really believe it? Lone man lusting for revenge accomplishes a successful coup.

    There’s a theory that Carter’s firing of George H W Bush as head of CIA, along with a lot of CIA agents, set the wheels in motion for Bush to select and place Khomeini as a replacement for Shah Pahlavi.

    Bush still had connections, even if he did not have official capacity. He knew Pahlavi was mortally ill but Carter did not. He cultivated Khomeini and arranged for his installation in Tehran (or Qom, as case may be).

    Recall that the hostages were not freed until hours before ? or after, I forget — Reagan’s inauguration.
    Recall that George H W Bush was Reagan’s vice president.

    Bush’s motive was revenge. These guys have their psyches and identity totally invested in their power bases. Crossing them is not your average “dang I got busted from manager to pepperoni slicer at the Pizza Hut” scenario.

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    I do not buy the revenge by singular guys like Felt or Bush as sufficient explanations. In the case of Bush only ethnocentric Americans can come up with such ridiculous theory. People with grudges and resentments are used but they are rarely initiators of great operations like the Islamic revolution in Iran was. In case of Felt I was wondering whether his resentment is just a cover up for the real reason why Nixon had to go. I would like to find out about this reason so in the meantime I will not eat the pre-cooked dish of Felt revenge for public consumption.

    As far as deposing of Pahlavi by Muslim fundamentalist is concerned it was the first successful operation of destroying a secular ME country with weaponized Muslim fundamentalism. Iran was the target because it was quite successful and was growing economically and maintained good relations with the West and the US and Israel in particular. So there was no way of stopping its growth and strength. It had to be turned into the pariah state first. After Islamic revolution the US cut off the relationship (while Israel still maintained them for a while). Turning Iran into the pariah state was the first successful implementation of yet unpublished Yinon Plan with objective of weakening all secular states (whether Soviet or American client states) in the ME. We do not know who was involved in organizing Islamic revolution but certainly some segments of US, French, British and Israel secret agencies. Nobody then connected (in media) Israel to this operation though some speculated (including Pahlavi himself) that the Brits and French were behind it and as always people talked about oils which in most cases (just like Styria now) is a red herring. Iran under mullahs did not get entirely destroyed and many institution of the secular state were maintained, nevertheless, the development of Iran was set back by many years.

    There were earlier attempts to use the weaponized Muslim fundamentalists in Egypt against Nasser's secular regime but they failed and Muslim Brotherhood had to be evacuate to Saudi Arabia waiting for a better occasion.

    Another successful operation was undermining the secular pro-Soviet regime in Afghanistan that lead to Soviet interventions that Brzezinski considered the greatest achievement of his career. The recently floated picture of girls in mini skirts in Kabul that was shown to Trump was from the time of pro-Soviet regime of Babrak Kamal that the US helped to destroy.
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  • Churchill once said: “History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”. The only problem with this is, when someone writes history that has to be kind to him (or whatever the entity may be), that history tends to be a lie.

    It seems that the US writes their history with the same purpose in mind – to be kind to them. Maybe few decades down the road, if anything is left standing, someone else can write more objective history.

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  • @anonymous

    There is a difference between demanding some other country’s territory and entering into a mutual defense pact.
     
    perhaps this is naive -- the war started over Danzig. Germany tried to negotiate Danzig and offered very favorable terms, not "demands for territory." Poles were emboldened, or intransigent, due in large part to British & French security guarantees and also to Jewish shit-stirring.

    The naive part is this: If Germany & Poland had been able to come to an agreement over Danzig, would that have meant No War?

    There’s nothing Polish Jews wanted more than war with Germany.

    Do you honestly believe that?

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    Your phrasing is maximalist.

    The reality is more nuanced and complex.

    For one thing, It is a fact that there was a lot of very bad blood between Polish Jews and Poles. Poles wanted Jews out of Poland just as much as Germans wanted Jews out of Germany. There was a lot of vicious fighting and killing between Poles and Polish Jews. Germans in Poland had some grievances against Poles, but the greater share of violence was between Poles & Polish Jews -- until war got hot then all bets off.

    But it was definitely the case that "there was nothing American Jews wanted more than war with Germany," and they were willing to sacrifice Polish Jews to their goal of destroying Germany.

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  • @MarkinLA
    There were plenty of stories about people "disappearing" under the Somoza regime. Somehow I missed all those stories about that happening under the Sandinistas.

    It could be true that you never heard any stories about the murders, rapes and pillaging carried out by the Sandinistas, because the Leftist media has been covering up communist atrocities since at least Duranty and the NY Times covered up Soviet atrocities in Ukraine. If you’re being honest and aren’t just a communist sympathizer, you can easily Google “Sandinista atrocities” and get yourself a nice long list.

    I’m not writing as a Samoza partisan, although the Nicaraguans I’ve known in the past said life was better under his autocratic rule, but, in the words of the great leftist hero FDR, “He (Samoza) may be a son of a bitch, but he’s our son of a bitch.” Sometimes you have to go with the lesser of two evils.

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    Well when I do that more entries pop up for "Contra atrocities"
    , @denk

    in the words of the great leftist hero FDR, “He (Samoza) may be a son of a bitch, but he’s our son of a bitch.” Sometimes you have to go with the lesser of two evils.
     
    KId,
    no wonder another poster mentioned that you seem to have problem in comprehension.
    Is English your natural language ?

    'He might be a sob but he's OUR sob'
     
    = 'As long as he's in our team, I dont give a fuck if he's the devil himself "

    Lesser evil my ass !
    Evil is uncle sham's tonic,
    He is the great satan himself !

    Thats why Clinton gushed over Suharto as
    'our kind of guy',
    after the Indonesian prez wiped out more than three million 'commie suspects' peasants !

    Incidentally, this earns Indonesia the 'honorable' membership to
    Murder Inc.

    Ladies and gentlemen,

    Murder Inc , aka
    The world's top three butchers !

    USA, aka 'the worlds' oldest democracy',
    INDIA, aka 'the worlds' largest democracy'
    INDONESIA., aka 'the world's second largest democracy'

    [SIC !]

    This should be made into faq no 1
    Sick of educating dumb murkkans.
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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    Czechoslovakia was an artificial state, unlike Poland, and there is no indication Germany wanted to incorporate large parts of Poland.

    Then why did they incorporate large parts of Poland?

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    once war is begun, all bets are off.
    the blood gets up.

    that's why the period before wars start -- the years and methods of incitements & provocations are so important to understand, from real history, in order to have tools to defuse them when they play out again. Like sanctions -- doesn't your average kindergartner understand that sanctions are an act of war, preparatory to a hot war?
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Political and military necessities. The Germans did not want war and were surprised the British were willing to fight one over Poland. Hitler in fact entertained the idea of a Polish rump state but this met with Soviet opposition.
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  • @MarkinLA
    OK Thailand is communist. How does that affect the US? What, no cheap sex tours?

    You have been thoroughly brainwashed like all those 50s and 60s draftees I used to work with in defense. It never ever sunk in to their heads that communism half-way around the world was no threat to the US.

    brainwashed?? Not at all. I have personally seen the end results of communism and “it ain’t pretty”…

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    Czechoslovakia was an artificial state, unlike Poland, and there is no indication Germany wanted to incorporate large parts of Poland.

    Yeah, I forgot Hitler loved Slavs.

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    You're just being inane now. Stick with Vietnam.
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  • @MarkinLA
    The naive part is this: If Germany & Poland had been able to come to an agreement over Danzig, would that have meant No War?

    No once they occupied the Danzig corridor, they would have likely pulled a Czechoslovakia on the rest of Poland. Nothing in here seems to indicate that Germany was all that generous to the Poles.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Corridor

    Czechoslovakia was an artificial state, unlike Poland, and there is no indication Germany wanted to incorporate large parts of Poland.

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    Yeah, I forgot Hitler loved Slavs.
    , @Anon
    Then why did they incorporate large parts of Poland?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Czechoslovakia was an artificial state, unlike Poland...
     
    Then Czechoslovakia was closer to the world norm than was Poland. Every point of France's "hexagon" is of foreign stock-- speaking Breton, Flemish, Alsatian German, Piedmontese, Catalan, and Basque. And France is relatively homogeneous by world standards.

    Even today's "Czech Republic" is artificial, as it's made up of Bohemia and Moravia.

    Actually, all states are artificial.
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  • @anonymous

    There is a difference between demanding some other country’s territory and entering into a mutual defense pact.
     
    perhaps this is naive -- the war started over Danzig. Germany tried to negotiate Danzig and offered very favorable terms, not "demands for territory." Poles were emboldened, or intransigent, due in large part to British & French security guarantees and also to Jewish shit-stirring.

    The naive part is this: If Germany & Poland had been able to come to an agreement over Danzig, would that have meant No War?

    The naive part is this: If Germany & Poland had been able to come to an agreement over Danzig, would that have meant No War?

    No once they occupied the Danzig corridor, they would have likely pulled a Czechoslovakia on the rest of Poland. Nothing in here seems to indicate that Germany was all that generous to the Poles.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Corridor

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    Czechoslovakia was an artificial state, unlike Poland, and there is no indication Germany wanted to incorporate large parts of Poland.
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  • @animalogic
    Oh no ! A 2% levy for health care ! Horror!
    But let's look at a US example:
    "Average Monthly Cost
    In a November 2011 press release, eHealth Insurance says that families in the U.S. paid an average of $414 per month for their own health insurance policies in 2011. In that same year, families paid an average deductible of $3,879 for their own health plans. Based on that monthly average, the percentage that would come out of your paycheck depends on your earnings. For instance, if you make $2,400 monthly and pay $414 for your own family plan, your premium would be 17.25 percent of your monthly income. "
    http://budgeting.thenest.com/percentage-income-americans-spend-health-insurance-31914.html
    So, maybe 17.25% on health care ... back in 2011...but, hey, I'm sure it's gone way down since then ..... lol.

    The 2% is on top of the high Australian income taxes, which predictably, you dodged.

    LOL

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  • @Anon
    That's right! The only people killed in World War II were Germans, and they absolutely did not deserve it. Conversely, Jews deserved it most but suffered the least!

    BS strawman.

    Troll Alert !

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  • @Rich
    You can certainly "think" that if you like, but you would be wrong.

    There were plenty of stories about people “disappearing” under the Somoza regime. Somehow I missed all those stories about that happening under the Sandinistas.

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    It could be true that you never heard any stories about the murders, rapes and pillaging carried out by the Sandinistas, because the Leftist media has been covering up communist atrocities since at least Duranty and the NY Times covered up Soviet atrocities in Ukraine. If you're being honest and aren't just a communist sympathizer, you can easily Google "Sandinista atrocities" and get yourself a nice long list.

    I'm not writing as a Samoza partisan, although the Nicaraguans I've known in the past said life was better under his autocratic rule, but, in the words of the great leftist hero FDR, "He (Samoza) may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch." Sometimes you have to go with the lesser of two evils.

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  • @anarchyst
    You conveniently forget the geographical advantage that the North Vietnamese had being on the border with China. North Vietnam WAS a "client state" of China.
    The spread of communism was very real. Those who outlined the "domino effect" were correct...that communism was destined to control that part of the world was very real. If we had not forestalled communism's expansionist tendencies in the 1950s and 1960s, neutral countries such as Thailand would be communist today.
    Even with "one hand tied behind our backs", the U S sacrifices and efforts cannot be discounted.

    OK Thailand is communist. How does that affect the US? What, no cheap sex tours?

    You have been thoroughly brainwashed like all those 50s and 60s draftees I used to work with in defense. It never ever sunk in to their heads that communism half-way around the world was no threat to the US.

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    brainwashed?? Not at all. I have personally seen the end results of communism and "it ain't pretty"...
    , @Reg Cæsar

    OK Thailand is communist. How does that affect the US? What, no cheap sex tours?
     
    OK, France, the Netherlands, and Norway are National Socialist. How does that affect the US? No expensive cheese tours?
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Where would you have drawn the line at Communist expansion? Or not at all? When you know, or have a fair idea, what an enemy is up to and that he intends to continue without regard to your fears or objections are you willing to take the chance that your eventual compelled opposition will be too late? If only France had resisted Hitler's first moves in the Rhineland and Britain had started rearming three years earlier.....
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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    They had alliances with Hungary and Romania (and Finland), and made reasonable offers to Poland, which the Poles foolishly refused.

    You mean the same kind of offers they made to Czechoslovakia?

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    My comments are insufficiently frequent to use the "agree" button. Great response with which I agree.
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  • @daniel le mouche
    To be fair, I did specify in America and western Europe.
    So, you seem to believe every world evil is a Catholic conspiracy? It's an interesting thought. Not a Jewish one, eh? Or British? These ones I've read a fair amount on, but not Catholic. In the USA, Catholicism is seriously struggling, perhaps do to Jewish conspiracy? Have you read/watched E. Michael Jones? I've always liked the Catholics as they are comprised of: Irish, Italians, French, Spanish, and others. Their art and music were great, they unified Europe for over a thousand years. I've always--well, for a few years anyway--considered the English and Protestants to be the baddies. But I'm not religious, certainly not Christian.
    Finally, I wasn't aware of Jeb Bush. Blair, of course, has always made me sick. You don't think their 'faith' is sincere, do you? Unless it's of a truer faith, something occult/satanic practiced in the basement of the Vatican?

    So, you seem to believe every world evil is a Catholic conspiracy? It’s an interesting thought. Not a Jewish one, eh?

    Of course not. You can read through my comments archive here at the Unz Review and you will see that I am not going easy on the Jews at all, but many other contributors and commenters at the Unz Review are already doing this a lot more skillfully and successfully than I do.

    However, many of them don’t focus on or are not interested in the Vatican angle and factor when it comes to foreign and domestic affairs, etc. that much, and that is why I try to bring it up when appropriate and on-topic.

    This might be changing though after Steve Bannon’s “60 minutes” interview, when this issue was “mainstreamed” by Charlie Rose: http://www.unz.com/article/steve-bannon-and-trumps-populist-victory/#comment-1997511

    My main point is that to dismiss a highly organized and centralized religious institution with over 1 billion adherents worldwide as an insignificant player and impotent actor in world affairs and in matters and questions of war and peace is either delusional, insincere or at worst sinister, when such propaganda and falsehoods are propagated to intentionally mislead.

    Or British? These ones I’ve read a fair amount on, but not Catholic.

    As to why that is, you might want to have at look at this (eye-opening) documentary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%27s_Angel_(documentary)

    this (unpleasant) fellow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Donohue

    considered the English and Protestants to be the baddies

    and my and other commenters’ comments under this blog post by Mr. Thompson titled “Death of a Statesman Terroristhttp://www.unz.com/jthompson/death-of-a-statesman-terrorist/#comment-1811195

    Have you read/watched E. Michael Jones?

    Men like E. Michael Jones and Father Raphael Johnson can be called fellow travelers, to adopt the Communist terminology, but the primacy of their religious commitments diverts them from the primary goals of the Alt Right.

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2016/10/what-the-alt-right-isnt/

    I’ve always liked the Catholics as they are comprised of: Irish, Italians, French, Spanish, and others. Their art and music were great, they unified Europe for over a thousand years.

    William N. Vaile put it best and the most diplomatically, in my opinion:

    “Let me emphasize here that the restrictionists of Congress do not claim that the “Nordic” race, or even the Anglo-Saxon race, is the best race in the world. Let us concede, in all fairness that the Czech is a more sturdy laborer … that the Jew is the best businessman in the world, and that the Italian has … a spiritual exaltation and an artistic creative sense which the Nordic rarely attains. Nordics need not be vain about their own qualifications. It well behooves them to be humble.

    What we do claim is that the northern European and particularly Anglo-Saxons made this country. Oh, yes; the others helped. But … [t]hey came to this country because it was already made as an Anglo-Saxon commonwealth
    [...]
    It is a good country. It suits us. And what we assert is that we are not going to surrender it to somebody else or allow other people, no matter what their merits, to make it something different.http://www.unz.com/plee/trump-we-wish-the-problem-was-fascism/#comment-1617650

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    Who wants to read through your endless comments, especially as you endlessly paste you old comments onto new threads.

    I think you are a Hasbarat troll trying to blame all the problems of the world on Catholics so as to draw attention away from what Jews actually do to destroy the western societies Christianity created over 2,000 years.

    Thats why you've been banned from so many WN, anti communist, conservative and other websites.
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  • 2 questions

    Who’s the man in the picture?

    How did the thread deteriorate into FKA MAX’s Catholic conspiracy theories? What do Polish Catholics have to do with the Vietnam was 50 years ago?

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  • @daniel le mouche
    To be fair, I did specify in America and western Europe.
    So, you seem to believe every world evil is a Catholic conspiracy? It's an interesting thought. Not a Jewish one, eh? Or British? These ones I've read a fair amount on, but not Catholic. In the USA, Catholicism is seriously struggling, perhaps do to Jewish conspiracy? Have you read/watched E. Michael Jones? I've always liked the Catholics as they are comprised of: Irish, Italians, French, Spanish, and others. Their art and music were great, they unified Europe for over a thousand years. I've always--well, for a few years anyway--considered the English and Protestants to be the baddies. But I'm not religious, certainly not Christian.
    Finally, I wasn't aware of Jeb Bush. Blair, of course, has always made me sick. You don't think their 'faith' is sincere, do you? Unless it's of a truer faith, something occult/satanic practiced in the basement of the Vatican?

    I see the Catholic bashers and “Vatican conspiracists” are out in force…
    That being said…
    The Vatican II Ecumenical Council did more to destroy the Catholic Church than just about any other action. Jews and Protestants were notable figures involved in Vatican II who “helped” the Catholic Church “modernize”.
    Outlawing the Tridentine Mass, changing the language from Latin to the vernacular, did much to destroy the Church’s “universality”. Previous to Vatican II, one could attend any Roman Catholic Mass anywhere in the world and understand it. That was all lost with Vatican II. There has been some pushback from traditional pre-Vatican II Catholics (yes, we do exist) that have removed most of the restrictions on the celebration of this Mass.
    In pre-Vatican II times, the priest was considered the “peoples’ representative” and faced the altar, along with the congregation. Turning the priest around to face the congregation changed him from being a peoples’ representative to becoming an “actor”.
    One of the greatest heresies was the absolution of the Jews for the Crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. As the Jews DID take full responsibility, this change in doctrine elevated Jews to the position of “our elder brothers” rather than the bloodthirsty executioners and enemies of Christianity that they (still) are. As is the case today, they got others (the Romans) to do their “dirty work” for them. Even Pontius Pilate KNEW that the Jews wanted the blood of an innocent man on their hands. As he was afraid of Jewish riots, (which were common) he allowed the crucifixion to go on.
    It is interesting to note that, to this day, there is a visceral hatred of Jesus Christ and Christianity among most Jews, their Talmud reinforcing their hatred.
    Contrast that with the Islamic Qur’an which holds high regard for Jesus Christ–not as the Son of God, but an esteemed prophet, nevertheless, while his mother Mary is specifically mentioned in the Qur’an and is given a place of high honor.
    For those interested in traditional pre-Vatican II Catholicism, please look up the “Society of St. Pius X”. You may be presently surprised.

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    Interesting, thanks for the history--in fact I've learned most of that already via E. Michael Jones, now a pariah of his very own church.
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  • @MarkinLA
    The invasion was caused by the South and their manipulation of the reunification referendum that was part of the peace treaty when the French left.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Vietnam_referendum,_1955

    We should have left then.

    You conveniently forget the geographical advantage that the North Vietnamese had being on the border with China. North Vietnam WAS a “client state” of China.
    The spread of communism was very real. Those who outlined the “domino effect” were correct…that communism was destined to control that part of the world was very real. If we had not forestalled communism’s expansionist tendencies in the 1950s and 1960s, neutral countries such as Thailand would be communist today.
    Even with “one hand tied behind our backs”, the U S sacrifices and efforts cannot be discounted.

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    OK Thailand is communist. How does that affect the US? What, no cheap sex tours?

    You have been thoroughly brainwashed like all those 50s and 60s draftees I used to work with in defense. It never ever sunk in to their heads that communism half-way around the world was no threat to the US.
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  • @Rich
    Turse is anti-American, and probably a Marxist, too. I tried to read some of his stuff, but he lied about numbers of civilians killed and many other aspects of the War. He went into his investigation of the Vietnam War with an agenda to make Americans war criminals, and when he was unsuccessful, he faked it. He claimed Americans killed 2 million civilians, that's a lie, there are reports he was paid, in part, by the Vietnamese Communists for writing his book, and when you look at the way the anti-American media has, to this day, salivated over their My Lai story, you think they wouldn't have loved to find "one a month"?

    USA is 10,000 miles on the other side of Pacific Ocean, Vietnam did not do anything threaten the USA, but USA invaded and waged reckless war on Vietnam for 10 years unprovoked. In according to international law and Nuremberg trail, aggression is the ultimate crime in humanity because aggression entails war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes against peace. American was the aggressor in the Vietnam War hence American is a war criminal by having aggression and waging reckless war against Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.

    Nick Turse has under reported the number of victims died in the hands of barbaric American war criminals, just Cambodia along American war criminals killed more than a million in a nation of 8 million. In according to Vietnamese nearly 10 million Vietnamese in the North was killed by the American bombing, while the majority of atrocities were done to the South Vietnamese by the war criminals American and their lackeys, the people the American claim to protect, if including the collateral damages in the South Vietnam, the body count could easily reach 20-30 millions.

    Denying like the unrepentant war criminal Japanese further prove the Americans are born war criminals, the unrepentant ones too.

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  • @Escher
    Not too many of the rich and connected served in Vietnam, draft or no draft. GW Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld...

    That’s true. The rich and famous seldom if ever participate in wars that their fathers instigate, but a sufficient number of the lowly and unconnected served to bring the Vietnam debacle to a sudden halt. Much like Israel’s defeat, suffered at the hands of Hezbollah defense forces in 2006, the neocons will never get over that defeat or get over being expelled from Vietnam.

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  • @MarkinLA
    I think the Somoza's murdered more people than the Sandinistas did.

    You can certainly “think” that if you like, but you would be wrong.

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    There were plenty of stories about people "disappearing" under the Somoza regime. Somehow I missed all those stories about that happening under the Sandinistas.
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  • @FKA Max
    I hope this comment is not too off-topic. I tried to keep linking to my past comments here at the Unz Review on these topics to a minimum.

    Good on you for bringing up Tony Blair's conversion, not many people realize how crucial of a fact that is to understand the bigger picture about the Iraq war, etc.

    Do you know what one of the first things was, Keith, that Tony Blair – one of Rupert Murdoch’s formerly closest allies, architect of the Iraq war, who opened UK borders wide to Third World immigration – did after he left 10 Downing Street (his wife was already Catholic)?
     
    - http://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1656181

    Which religious denomination do Poles primarily and overwhelmingly belong to, do you think? Do you think this is just a coincidence and accident that Britain is being ``Catholizied'' through open borders?

    Poles are now largest foreign-born contingent in Britain as migration grows


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/poles-are-now-largest-foreignborn-contingent-in-britain-as-migration-grows-a3329321.html

    Polish involvement in the 2003 invasion of Iraq - Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_involvement_in_the_2003_invasion_of_Iraq

    Excerpt from the same comment I linked to above:

    You are probably aware, Keith, that Jeb Bush is a Catholic convert. There were even rumors, that Bush 43, ‘W,’ was planning to convert to Roman Catholicism: George W Bush and Pope Benedict XVI have held an intimate meeting in Rome as rumours mounted in Italy that the president may follow in Tony Blair’s footsteps and convert to Catholicism. – http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/2122733/George-W-Bush-meets-Pope-amid-claims-he-might-convert-to-Catholicism.html
     
    Here a good website on the different Catholic perspectives on the war in Iraq:

    The United States' war against terrorism and subsequent war against Iraq has provoked much discussion and reflection among Catholics. Although sharply divided, most argued for or against the war on the basis of the Catholic just war tradition. (A minority of pacifists, in addition, have argued that the devastation caused by modern weapons of war have rendered any discussion of a "just war" illegitimate).

    The purpose of this website is to provide a resource of information for those engaging in the debate over Iraq from a Catholic perspective. Secondary to this, I hope to provide further resources for those interested in the development of the just war tradition in general.
     
    - http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/justwar/

    On your last sentence:

    It’s no matter that Catholic churches in America and western Europe are on life support, the great Catholic conspiracy continues to exist in the minds of some.
     
    This is what the Catholic press has to say about this, I quote:

    The global Church comes home; or perhaps we should say, the empires strike back.

    When we consider those African statistics alone, any suggestion of the Catholic Church “dying” or even stagnating is so wildly inaccurate as to be comical. - http://www.unz.com/article/non-white-migrants-and-the-catholic-church/#comment-1870992

    To be fair, I did specify in America and western Europe.
    So, you seem to believe every world evil is a Catholic conspiracy? It’s an interesting thought. Not a Jewish one, eh? Or British? These ones I’ve read a fair amount on, but not Catholic. In the USA, Catholicism is seriously struggling, perhaps do to Jewish conspiracy? Have you read/watched E. Michael Jones? I’ve always liked the Catholics as they are comprised of: Irish, Italians, French, Spanish, and others. Their art and music were great, they unified Europe for over a thousand years. I’ve always–well, for a few years anyway–considered the English and Protestants to be the baddies. But I’m not religious, certainly not Christian.
    Finally, I wasn’t aware of Jeb Bush. Blair, of course, has always made me sick. You don’t think their ‘faith’ is sincere, do you? Unless it’s of a truer faith, something occult/satanic practiced in the basement of the Vatican?

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    I see the Catholic bashers and "Vatican conspiracists" are out in force...
    That being said...
    The Vatican II Ecumenical Council did more to destroy the Catholic Church than just about any other action. Jews and Protestants were notable figures involved in Vatican II who “helped” the Catholic Church “modernize”.
    Outlawing the Tridentine Mass, changing the language from Latin to the vernacular, did much to destroy the Church’s “universality”. Previous to Vatican II, one could attend any Roman Catholic Mass anywhere in the world and understand it. That was all lost with Vatican II. There has been some pushback from traditional pre-Vatican II Catholics (yes, we do exist) that have removed most of the restrictions on the celebration of this Mass.
    In pre-Vatican II times, the priest was considered the “peoples’ representative” and faced the altar, along with the congregation. Turning the priest around to face the congregation changed him from being a peoples’ representative to becoming an “actor”.
    One of the greatest heresies was the absolution of the Jews for the Crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. As the Jews DID take full responsibility, this change in doctrine elevated Jews to the position of “our elder brothers” rather than the bloodthirsty executioners and enemies of Christianity that they (still) are. As is the case today, they got others (the Romans) to do their “dirty work” for them. Even Pontius Pilate KNEW that the Jews wanted the blood of an innocent man on their hands. As he was afraid of Jewish riots, (which were common) he allowed the crucifixion to go on.
    It is interesting to note that, to this day, there is a visceral hatred of Jesus Christ and Christianity among most Jews, their Talmud reinforcing their hatred.
    Contrast that with the Islamic Qur’an which holds high regard for Jesus Christ–not as the Son of God, but an esteemed prophet, nevertheless, while his mother Mary is specifically mentioned in the Qur’an and is given a place of high honor.
    For those interested in traditional pre-Vatican II Catholicism, please look up the “Society of St. Pius X”. You may be presently surprised.
    , @FKA Max

    So, you seem to believe every world evil is a Catholic conspiracy? It’s an interesting thought. Not a Jewish one, eh?
     
    Of course not. You can read through my comments archive here at the Unz Review and you will see that I am not going easy on the Jews at all, but many other contributors and commenters at the Unz Review are already doing this a lot more skillfully and successfully than I do.

    However, many of them don't focus on or are not interested in the Vatican angle and factor when it comes to foreign and domestic affairs, etc. that much, and that is why I try to bring it up when appropriate and on-topic.

    This might be changing though after Steve Bannon's ``60 minutes'' interview, when this issue was ``mainstreamed'' by Charlie Rose: http://www.unz.com/article/steve-bannon-and-trumps-populist-victory/#comment-1997511

    My main point is that to dismiss a highly organized and centralized religious institution with over 1 billion adherents worldwide as an insignificant player and impotent actor in world affairs and in matters and questions of war and peace is either delusional, insincere or at worst sinister, when such propaganda and falsehoods are propagated to intentionally mislead.


    Or British? These ones I’ve read a fair amount on, but not Catholic.
     
    As to why that is, you might want to have at look at this (eye-opening) documentary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%27s_Angel_(documentary)

    this (unpleasant) fellow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Donohue


    considered the English and Protestants to be the baddies
     
    and my and other commenters' comments under this blog post by Mr. Thompson titled ``Death of a Statesman Terrorist'' http://www.unz.com/jthompson/death-of-a-statesman-terrorist/#comment-1811195

    Have you read/watched E. Michael Jones?
     

    Men like E. Michael Jones and Father Raphael Johnson can be called fellow travelers, to adopt the Communist terminology, but the primacy of their religious commitments diverts them from the primary goals of the Alt Right.
     
    - https://www.counter-currents.com/2016/10/what-the-alt-right-isnt/

    I’ve always liked the Catholics as they are comprised of: Irish, Italians, French, Spanish, and others. Their art and music were great, they unified Europe for over a thousand years.
     
    William N. Vaile put it best and the most diplomatically, in my opinion:

    “Let me emphasize here that the restrictionists of Congress do not claim that the “Nordic” race, or even the Anglo-Saxon race, is the best race in the world. Let us concede, in all fairness that the Czech is a more sturdy laborer … that the Jew is the best businessman in the world, and that the Italian has … a spiritual exaltation and an artistic creative sense which the Nordic rarely attains. Nordics need not be vain about their own qualifications. It well behooves them to be humble.

    What we do claim is that the northern European and particularly Anglo-Saxons made this country. Oh, yes; the others helped. But … [t]hey came to this country because it was already made as an Anglo-Saxon commonwealth
    [...]
    It is a good country. It suits us. And what we assert is that we are not going to surrender it to somebody else or allow other people, no matter what their merits, to make it something different. - http://www.unz.com/plee/trump-we-wish-the-problem-was-fascism/#comment-1617650

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  • @daniel le mouche
    Yes, I'm sure they're all fervent Catholics. Just like that convert Tony Blair. It's no matter that Catholic churches in America and western Europe are on life support, the great Catholic conspiracy continues to exist in the minds of some.

    I hope this comment is not too off-topic. I tried to keep linking to my past comments here at the Unz Review on these topics to a minimum.

    Good on you for bringing up Tony Blair’s conversion, not many people realize how crucial of a fact that is to understand the bigger picture about the Iraq war, etc.

    Do you know what one of the first things was, Keith, that Tony Blair – one of Rupert Murdoch’s formerly closest allies, architect of the Iraq war, who opened UK borders wide to Third World immigration – did after he left 10 Downing Street (his wife was already Catholic)?

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1656181

    Which religious denomination do Poles primarily and overwhelmingly belong to, do you think? Do you think this is just a coincidence and accident that Britain is being “Catholizied” through open borders?

    Poles are now largest foreign-born contingent in Britain as migration grows

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/poles-are-now-largest-foreignborn-contingent-in-britain-as-migration-grows-a3329321.html

    Polish involvement in the 2003 invasion of Iraq – Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_involvement_in_the_2003_invasion_of_Iraq

    Excerpt from the same comment I linked to above:

    You are probably aware, Keith, that Jeb Bush is a Catholic convert. There were even rumors, that Bush 43, ‘W,’ was planning to convert to Roman Catholicism: George W Bush and Pope Benedict XVI have held an intimate meeting in Rome as rumours mounted in Italy that the president may follow in Tony Blair’s footsteps and convert to Catholicism.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/2122733/George-W-Bush-meets-Pope-amid-claims-he-might-convert-to-Catholicism.html

    Here a good website on the different Catholic perspectives on the war in Iraq:

    The United States’ war against terrorism and subsequent war against Iraq has provoked much discussion and reflection among Catholics. Although sharply divided, most argued for or against the war on the basis of the Catholic just war tradition. (A minority of pacifists, in addition, have argued that the devastation caused by modern weapons of war have rendered any discussion of a “just war” illegitimate).

    The purpose of this website is to provide a resource of information for those engaging in the debate over Iraq from a Catholic perspective. Secondary to this, I hope to provide further resources for those interested in the development of the just war tradition in general.

    http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/justwar/

    On your last sentence:

    It’s no matter that Catholic churches in America and western Europe are on life support, the great Catholic conspiracy continues to exist in the minds of some.

    This is what the Catholic press has to say about this, I quote:

    The global Church comes home; or perhaps we should say, the empires strike back.

    When we consider those African statistics alone, any suggestion of the Catholic Church “dying” or even stagnating is so wildly inaccurate as to be comical. http://www.unz.com/article/non-white-migrants-and-the-catholic-church/#comment-1870992

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    To be fair, I did specify in America and western Europe.
    So, you seem to believe every world evil is a Catholic conspiracy? It's an interesting thought. Not a Jewish one, eh? Or British? These ones I've read a fair amount on, but not Catholic. In the USA, Catholicism is seriously struggling, perhaps do to Jewish conspiracy? Have you read/watched E. Michael Jones? I've always liked the Catholics as they are comprised of: Irish, Italians, French, Spanish, and others. Their art and music were great, they unified Europe for over a thousand years. I've always--well, for a few years anyway--considered the English and Protestants to be the baddies. But I'm not religious, certainly not Christian.
    Finally, I wasn't aware of Jeb Bush. Blair, of course, has always made me sick. You don't think their 'faith' is sincere, do you? Unless it's of a truer faith, something occult/satanic practiced in the basement of the Vatican?
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  • @MarkinLA
    Why didn't the Germans (prior to entering into the non-aggression pact with the USSR) form a mutual defense pact with Poland, Hungary,Romania, the Baltic states, Czechoslovakia, (oh wait, they already illegally occupied that) and Bulgaria. They could have moved German forces forward into defensive posture in those countries and given the time and German military technological superiority would have beat back any Russian invasion.

    They had alliances with Hungary and Romania (and Finland), and made reasonable offers to Poland, which the Poles foolishly refused.

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    You mean the same kind of offers they made to Czechoslovakia?
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    @MarkinLA
    There is a difference between demanding some other country's territory and entering into a mutual defense pact.

    The USSR could not have invaded and defeated a dug in alliance of all those countries with German military technology and leadership. The Luftwaffe was clearly superior to the Russian air force so there would be no chance of Russian forces using air power to break the defensive lines.

    There is a difference between demanding some other country’s territory and entering into a mutual defense pact.

    perhaps this is naive — the war started over Danzig. Germany tried to negotiate Danzig and offered very favorable terms, not “demands for territory.” Poles were emboldened, or intransigent, due in large part to British & French security guarantees and also to Jewish shit-stirring.

    The naive part is this: If Germany & Poland had been able to come to an agreement over Danzig, would that have meant No War?

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    The naive part is this: If Germany & Poland had been able to come to an agreement over Danzig, would that have meant No War?

    No once they occupied the Danzig corridor, they would have likely pulled a Czechoslovakia on the rest of Poland. Nothing in here seems to indicate that Germany was all that generous to the Poles.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Corridor
    , @Anon
    There's nothing Polish Jews wanted more than war with Germany.

    Do you honestly believe that?
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  • @anonymous
    there are some who think Russia had technological superiority. USSR was certainly more prepared to fight the element of war that brought about the German los -- the cold.

    besides, Poland was used as a cat's paw from the beginning. Germans tried negotiating Danzig w/ Poles but the Poles were constrained, or emboldened, by her "protectors".

    There is a difference between demanding some other country’s territory and entering into a mutual defense pact.

    The USSR could not have invaded and defeated a dug in alliance of all those countries with German military technology and leadership. The Luftwaffe was clearly superior to the Russian air force so there would be no chance of Russian forces using air power to break the defensive lines.

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    There is a difference between demanding some other country’s territory and entering into a mutual defense pact.
     
    perhaps this is naive -- the war started over Danzig. Germany tried to negotiate Danzig and offered very favorable terms, not "demands for territory." Poles were emboldened, or intransigent, due in large part to British & French security guarantees and also to Jewish shit-stirring.

    The naive part is this: If Germany & Poland had been able to come to an agreement over Danzig, would that have meant No War?
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  • @Rich
    I would agree with you that the US probably shouldn't have helped the Soviets, but I suppose it was the choice of one devil or the other. The American leaders at the time believed the Nazis were the greater threat.

    Whatever you believe in regards to S Korea, Chile or Indonesia, I believe they were all better off than they would have been had the Reds been allowed to seize power.

    The communists are the worst murderers of all time. Whatever sins US allies may have committed pale in comparison.

    I think the Somoza’s murdered more people than the Sandinistas did.

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    • Replies: @Rich
    You can certainly "think" that if you like, but you would be wrong.
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  • @MarkinLA
    Why didn't the Germans (prior to entering into the non-aggression pact with the USSR) form a mutual defense pact with Poland, Hungary,Romania, the Baltic states, Czechoslovakia, (oh wait, they already illegally occupied that) and Bulgaria. They could have moved German forces forward into defensive posture in those countries and given the time and German military technological superiority would have beat back any Russian invasion.

    there are some who think Russia had technological superiority. USSR was certainly more prepared to fight the element of war that brought about the German los — the cold.

    besides, Poland was used as a cat’s paw from the beginning. Germans tried negotiating Danzig w/ Poles but the Poles were constrained, or emboldened, by her “protectors”.

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    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    There is a difference between demanding some other country's territory and entering into a mutual defense pact.

    The USSR could not have invaded and defeated a dug in alliance of all those countries with German military technology and leadership. The Luftwaffe was clearly superior to the Russian air force so there would be no chance of Russian forces using air power to break the defensive lines.
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  • @animalogic
    "Communism needed to be stopped at all costs. Obviously you are unfamiliar with what the communists did to people under their rule."
    Stopped at "all costs" ? Sure, especially if someone else pays those costs: you know, the Vietnamese ?(commonly designated as "the gooks"). And boy, did they pay ! (still do -unexploded munitions, birth defects etc)
    ....but, hang on ! At all costs ? When it was convenient. Good old Stalin: it really was damn convenient to hop into bed with him during WW II, wasn't it ?
    As for communist crimes ? They are guilty as charged. Just as guilty - more or less - as dozens of US allies & clients...Indonesia, Chile, S-Korea ... & uncountable Sth American juntas & so on. Morality really is a tricky thing, isn't it ?

    I would agree with you that the US probably shouldn’t have helped the Soviets, but I suppose it was the choice of one devil or the other. The American leaders at the time believed the Nazis were the greater threat.

    Whatever you believe in regards to S Korea, Chile or Indonesia, I believe they were all better off than they would have been had the Reds been allowed to seize power.

    The communists are the worst murderers of all time. Whatever sins US allies may have committed pale in comparison.

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    I think the Somoza's murdered more people than the Sandinistas did.
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  • @FKA Max
    So, 5 Supreme Court justices, and Neil Gorsuch having attended Catholic schools in his youth which could make him vulnerable to Catholic lobbying, Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, a very influential ex-Catholic Vice President Mike Pence, National Security Advisor General Kelly and his best friend General Dunford as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, etc. pp. equals being ``powerless'' in your book!?

    Dunford was born in Boston in 1955,[5] and raised in Quincy, Massachusetts. He is of Irish background[6] and has been described as a "fervent Catholic."[7]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Dunford#Early_life_and_education

    Catholics in Congress: one-third of House, one-quarter of Senate

    Overall, there are six fewer Christians in the new Congress, at 485 members. But there are four more Catholics, who now total 168.
     
    - http://www.catholicnews.com/services/englishnews/2017/catholics-in-congress-one-third-of-house-one-quarter-of-senate.cfm

    This is what Avro Manhattan had to say:

    Chapter 23
    VIETNAM—THE CROATIA OF ASIA

    The South Vietnamese and Croatian Catholic dictatorships, therefore, are the most striking examples of how the spirit of Catholicism can stultify the most diverse political systems and cultures with the bacillae of intolerance.

    It cannot be otherwise. Since her claims to uniqueness and hence to religious supremacy will be identified with those who are ready to accept them as basic truths upon which the fabric of society must rest.

    An Eskimo and a Central African or, in our case, a Croat and a South Vietnamese, therefore, notwithstanding all their racial and cultural differences, by the very fact that they are members of the same anti-libertarian Church, will automatically scorn democracy and abhor freedom.

    The import of this is portentous. The implication being that the Catholic Church is potentially capable of carrying out the ghastly experiments of both Croatia and South Vietnam in other countries, independently of their political systems.

    Which means that, given the favourable circumstances, she would not hesitate to repeat them anywhere in the world, wherever there are Catholics. And, since there are Catholics in practically every country, the risk of another Croatian or South Vietnamese "experiment" in the near or distant future, becomes not a theoretical speculation.

    But a possibility.
     
    - http://www.reformation.org/holoc23.html

    This is why I am so worried about the high rate of Catholic immigration, legal and illegal, into the United States and these immigrants' higher fertility rates.

    Do you think the following is a healthy development and proof of powerlessness?

    We had heard rumors from several lawmakers that Boehner was mulling retirement and that, as a Catholic, he privately saw the pope’s congressional visit, which he had orchestrated, as a fitting denouement to his long political career.
     
    - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/john-boehner-in-twilight/2015/09/25/124fc54a-6399-11e5-8e9e-dce8a2a2a679_story.html?utm_term=.d1a483a97e3d

    http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/kgo/images/cms/1000223_1280x720.jpg

    Yes, I’m sure they’re all fervent Catholics. Just like that convert Tony Blair. It’s no matter that Catholic churches in America and western Europe are on life support, the great Catholic conspiracy continues to exist in the minds of some.

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    I hope this comment is not too off-topic. I tried to keep linking to my past comments here at the Unz Review on these topics to a minimum.

    Good on you for bringing up Tony Blair's conversion, not many people realize how crucial of a fact that is to understand the bigger picture about the Iraq war, etc.

    Do you know what one of the first things was, Keith, that Tony Blair – one of Rupert Murdoch’s formerly closest allies, architect of the Iraq war, who opened UK borders wide to Third World immigration – did after he left 10 Downing Street (his wife was already Catholic)?
     
    - http://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1656181

    Which religious denomination do Poles primarily and overwhelmingly belong to, do you think? Do you think this is just a coincidence and accident that Britain is being ``Catholizied'' through open borders?

    Poles are now largest foreign-born contingent in Britain as migration grows


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/poles-are-now-largest-foreignborn-contingent-in-britain-as-migration-grows-a3329321.html

    Polish involvement in the 2003 invasion of Iraq - Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_involvement_in_the_2003_invasion_of_Iraq

    Excerpt from the same comment I linked to above:

    You are probably aware, Keith, that Jeb Bush is a Catholic convert. There were even rumors, that Bush 43, ‘W,’ was planning to convert to Roman Catholicism: George W Bush and Pope Benedict XVI have held an intimate meeting in Rome as rumours mounted in Italy that the president may follow in Tony Blair’s footsteps and convert to Catholicism. – http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/2122733/George-W-Bush-meets-Pope-amid-claims-he-might-convert-to-Catholicism.html
     
    Here a good website on the different Catholic perspectives on the war in Iraq:

    The United States' war against terrorism and subsequent war against Iraq has provoked much discussion and reflection among Catholics. Although sharply divided, most argued for or against the war on the basis of the Catholic just war tradition. (A minority of pacifists, in addition, have argued that the devastation caused by modern weapons of war have rendered any discussion of a "just war" illegitimate).

    The purpose of this website is to provide a resource of information for those engaging in the debate over Iraq from a Catholic perspective. Secondary to this, I hope to provide further resources for those interested in the development of the just war tradition in general.
     
    - http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/justwar/

    On your last sentence:

    It’s no matter that Catholic churches in America and western Europe are on life support, the great Catholic conspiracy continues to exist in the minds of some.
     
    This is what the Catholic press has to say about this, I quote:

    The global Church comes home; or perhaps we should say, the empires strike back.

    When we consider those African statistics alone, any suggestion of the Catholic Church “dying” or even stagnating is so wildly inaccurate as to be comical. - http://www.unz.com/article/non-white-migrants-and-the-catholic-church/#comment-1870992
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  • @Rich
    So, you honestly believe there wasn't a single person in the US government that wanted to stop the spread of totalitarian communism? Every last one of them was in it for sinister reasons? I have to disagree with you. Of course, there's obviously no chance I'm going to change your strongly held opinion, so we'll have to leave it there.

    That’s not what I said. I said the people who made the decision to go to war. Of course all the little worker bees are told lots of pretty things, which they dutifully believe. Thinking isn’t what they’re paid to do.

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  • @TheJester
    You are correct. Stalin, when he occupied Bessarabia at the same time as his annexation of eastern Poland, was only 120 miles from the Romanian oilfields that supplied a major portion of Germany's petrochemicals. This was a dagger at the heart of Germany's economic and military survival. The Soviet path to the oil fields was direct. If and when the Soviets moved, the German response to protect the oil fields would have been across rugged mountain ranges. The Soviets would have won the race and neutralized the German ability to dwarf their invasion much less make war.

    I've read a piece by a Soviet general of the times who stated that Hilter beat Stalin to the punch by only a few weeks ... that the Soviets were actively planning a Soviet invasion of Germany. Makes sense. Otherwise, why would Stalin have had 2.5 million troops on the new German/Soviet border as well as fortifying the Soviet rear in depth to free troops for the Soviet invasion?

    This scenario also explains the strange phenomenon of Germany seeming to abandon the Battle of Britain for no apparent reason and very quickly redirecting its military resources against the Soviet Union. Something was up ... something was amiss, and that was Germany co-opting a planned Soviet invasion of Germany while Germany was preoccupied with the Battle of Britain.

    Wikipedia makes the claim that Germany decided to quickly destroy the Soviet Union (huh?) to force Britain to make peace. British propaganda!

    The British were pressing Stalin to attack the German rear to save themselves. Indeed, other sources relate that the British Foreign Office had been hard at this game for years to precipitate a war between Germany and the Soviet Union to bleed them dry to protect the British fleet's control over the Asian center via its control over peripheral ocean trade routes. A rapprochement between historical Russia and Germany would have co-opted the power of the British navy with a Berlin-to-Baghdad railway as well as a direct rail route from Berlin to Vladivostok. Hence, we can understand the British maneuvers to precipitate both WWI and WWII to keep this from happening.

    Heady claims to be sure. Let me suggest Carroll Quigley's, "Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time," and Zbigniew Brzezinski's, "The Grand Chessboard".

    Why didn’t the Germans (prior to entering into the non-aggression pact with the USSR) form a mutual defense pact with Poland, Hungary,Romania, the Baltic states, Czechoslovakia, (oh wait, they already illegally occupied that) and Bulgaria. They could have moved German forces forward into defensive posture in those countries and given the time and German military technological superiority would have beat back any Russian invasion.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    there are some who think Russia had technological superiority. USSR was certainly more prepared to fight the element of war that brought about the German los -- the cold.

    besides, Poland was used as a cat's paw from the beginning. Germans tried negotiating Danzig w/ Poles but the Poles were constrained, or emboldened, by her "protectors".

    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    They had alliances with Hungary and Romania (and Finland), and made reasonable offers to Poland, which the Poles foolishly refused.
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