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    Throughout 2016, I would occasionally turn on the television to see how the punditocracy was responding to the mounting Trump tsunami. If you get most of your news online, watching cable news is frustrating. The commentary is so dumbed down and painfully reflective of speaker’s biases, you can always basically guess what’s coming next. With...
  • I have been highly critical of Steve Bannon for quite a while,

    Ethno-nationalism — it’s losers. … These guys are a collection of clowns,” Bannon told Robert Kuttner of The American Prospect on Wednesday.

    This comic beautifully captures the clownishness of Steve Bannon’s worldview:

    http://www.unz.com/article/charlottesville-and-the-new-york-times/#comment-1986967

    but he is speaking the truth in this CBS “60 Minutes” interview:

    Steve Bannon on Trump’s DACA decision, Catholic church

    In his first extensive interview since leaving the Trump administration, former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon is speaking out about President Trump’s decision to end the DACA program. The Obama-era policy protects nearly 800,000 young, undocumented immigrants from deportation. Watch Charlie Rose’s full report Sunday, Sept. 10, on “60 Minutes.”

    Good for him!

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  • See also: Lynn`s Race Differences in Intelligence: PC Won`t Make Them Go Away IQ matters. And it doesn’t just matter for individuals—the IQ of your country is even more important than your own IQ when predicting your level of wealth. This obviously has massive implications when it comes to immigration, because intelligence differences exist between...
  • Is it possible to know the email of Dr Jeremy Cooper? I would like to contact him regarding Education failures. Thanks.

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  • Throughout 2016, I would occasionally turn on the television to see how the punditocracy was responding to the mounting Trump tsunami. If you get most of your news online, watching cable news is frustrating. The commentary is so dumbed down and painfully reflective of speaker’s biases, you can always basically guess what’s coming next. With...
  • @jilles dykstra
    The USA's problem is that since FDR foreign politics were persued for internal reasons.
    With Obama this era ended, Obama had to lower the two war standard to one and a half standard.
    The beginning of the end of the British empire was when the two fleet standard had to be lowered to one fleet.
    This led to inconsistent policies in the thirties, these inconsistencies contributed to WWII.

    At present the USA behaves inconsistent, it may that that Trump understands that the good old days of imperialism are over, but, as in still Great Britain in the thirties, few are able to see this.
    Of course changing drastically the political course of an empire still looking powerful is not easy.
    GB was deeply shocked when little yellow men sank the Repulse and the Prince of Wales, and overran impregnable Singapore.

    The USA is not small Britain, the USA is huge on its own territory, so not soon the USA will be a third rate country like GB now.
    But making the USA political establishment understand that ideas about controlling the world should be abandoned, not an easy task.

    Maybe yesterday's North Korea's explosion of a hydrogen bomb, the earthquake does not lie, I suppose, opens some eyes.

    N.Korea just wants to be left alone to be another Government-Gone-Mad WITH Nuclear Weopans in this world. Why not have ANOTHER? There are already two…the U.S. and Zion.

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  • Please forgive this OT comment but, I feel that I HAVE to do this. Our psycho Ambassador to the U.N. was just recorded, today, telling the U.N. that “the U.S. does not like going to war, but…”
    More saber rattling toward N.Korea LOL

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  • @Priss Factor
    Is this true? People with KKK shirts and people with BLM shirts getting off same buses?

    A setup?

    https://twitter.com/YoungDems4Trump/status/902178149273812992

    Is that a surprise? There have been commentaries HERE in other articles explaining the class war disguised as a race war and played out by the Leftassts. Nothing is as it seems on the surface in this latest attack on Western Society.
    Re-Watched an old movie the other night on Youtube (plenty of free HD movies to be had, there) called The Last Domenica. One line boxed my ears: “if you needed to protect your family and your way of life, would YOU kill?”
    Another quote that I read, recently, was by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei who said, in so many words, that an enemy who attacks your social ideology is far more dangerous than a military adversary.
    As slow as Americans are to awaken out of slumber, it’s not going to bode well for the populous. Could this all be “preliminaries” for a situation that “calls” for Martial Law so that even more “liberties” are taken?
    One thing is a given: Trump doesn’t have expertise in a Cabinet that is inexperienced and he is not a good judge of character (probably because HE is not that stellar a character.
    I voted for him. He’s doing well, all things considered. But, it’s been a nerve-wracking ride, so far.
    As I write this, I am watching the national news and DACA will end. ILLEGALS need to get the blank out! This is another step of victory in the long road to MAGA. I am happy for those successful graduates from University that came from El Salvador (or wherever) as an eleven years old (for them-personally) but it is another job that will be filled by someone other than a naturalized citizen, allow because of weak, backboneless politicians.

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  • @Veritatis
    What a comments section! I thought of not butting in, but, really, you bunch of American ninnies!

    So Trump is not all that was expected? And maybe he is incompetent? And his people are not to your liking? What else? Get used to it, and then go find something useful to do.

    In Mexico we have wonderful Peña, thank you, and his bunch of crooks, plus more than enough drug traffickers to disillusion anyone. In some parts, a guy has to be a hero to be a businessman, his chances of being kidnapped on his way to work are that high. And the upcoming crop of presidential wanna-bes, well, let's just say I won't bother you with sob stories. But by no means will I take my "goy bye" equivalent. I will get up every morning, try to make a better family, a better neighborhood, a better community. I will raise better citizens and help take care of the old ones. Because our actions in this life matter, because there are always pockets of sanity around, and because creative minorities are in and of themselves worthwhile.

    I thought only the justice warriors were little snowflakes.

    Well said, hombre.

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  • @Stephen R. Diamond

    Everybody who supported Trump last November ought to be supporting Kim now, and for exactly the same reasons.
     
    What's your explanation for why most don't?

    What’s your explanation for why most don’t?

    Because most people have not recognized the American Empire for the active force for evil that it is and aren’t trying to bring it down. Most people could never imagine themselves as nationalists, monarchists, or traditionalists, believing these to be banished concepts. Most people have swallowed the MIC propaganda about North Korea being a rogue state and Kim being a crazy fat man. Many of them are Boomers who still think we’re at war with “the Commies.” In short, most people simply have no grasp of the real situation.

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  • @Veritatis
    What a comments section! I thought of not butting in, but, really, you bunch of American ninnies!

    So Trump is not all that was expected? And maybe he is incompetent? And his people are not to your liking? What else? Get used to it, and then go find something useful to do.

    In Mexico we have wonderful Peña, thank you, and his bunch of crooks, plus more than enough drug traffickers to disillusion anyone. In some parts, a guy has to be a hero to be a businessman, his chances of being kidnapped on his way to work are that high. And the upcoming crop of presidential wanna-bes, well, let's just say I won't bother you with sob stories. But by no means will I take my "goy bye" equivalent. I will get up every morning, try to make a better family, a better neighborhood, a better community. I will raise better citizens and help take care of the old ones. Because our actions in this life matter, because there are always pockets of sanity around, and because creative minorities are in and of themselves worthwhile.

    I thought only the justice warriors were little snowflakes.

    Criticizing the government doesn’t make you a snowflake; deplatforming people you disagree with is what makes you a snowflake.

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  • What a comments section! I thought of not butting in, but, really, you bunch of American ninnies!

    So Trump is not all that was expected? And maybe he is incompetent? And his people are not to your liking? What else? Get used to it, and then go find something useful to do.

    In Mexico we have wonderful Peña, thank you, and his bunch of crooks, plus more than enough drug traffickers to disillusion anyone. In some parts, a guy has to be a hero to be a businessman, his chances of being kidnapped on his way to work are that high. And the upcoming crop of presidential wanna-bes, well, let’s just say I won’t bother you with sob stories. But by no means will I take my “goy bye” equivalent. I will get up every morning, try to make a better family, a better neighborhood, a better community. I will raise better citizens and help take care of the old ones. Because our actions in this life matter, because there are always pockets of sanity around, and because creative minorities are in and of themselves worthwhile.

    I thought only the justice warriors were little snowflakes.

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    Criticizing the government doesn't make you a snowflake; deplatforming people you disagree with is what makes you a snowflake.
    , @Vox coyote
    Well said, hombre.
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  • @Jobless
    Having dabbled ever so slightly in this process in the spring, my impression is that there is a mechanism run largely by lawyers from the big DC law firms (presumably one for each party) who are the gatekeepers for applicants. The result of this system, which I have little doubt that the "Trump Team" did not try to take on (after all, they had only a couple of months to put together the beginnings of a team, and that left little or no time replacing The Swamp Machine...) is that the key positions throughout the administration are largely filled with lawyers from connected law firms. After all, who better to administer the government than lawyers!?!?

    At any rate, my experience with the process was: on your marks, get set, nothing. 30 years experience in and around federal government, but not a lawyer. Don't call us, we don't want to talk to you. (I also made clear in my cover letter that the key motivator for my application -- and first ever political contributions -- was Trump and his agenda. In retrospect, this "admission" was probably a kiss of death. I was a Trumpite. Eeeewww!!! (I may well not have been qualified for anything, but I'm SURE I was disqualified by my support for Trump...)

    The triumph of the Swamp.

    Same here …. Thirty years as a Consultant on the Beltway (including relevant Military Service) and no one in the Trump Administration will give me anything other than a File-Number …. The elites/establishment has apparently isolated President Trump from competent/loyal support … Possibly a quiet and silent coup ……

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  • @Ace
    Trump didn't try. McMasters was recommended by McCain for crying out loud and that fool got away with "It's not Islam that's the problem" right under Trump's nose. Trump's director of personnel was someone right out of the camp of his enemies.

    The author's mistaken if he thinks there needs to be some kind of farm team operation for future insurgent presidencies. There are boatloads of citizens in flyover country who have more insight than Trump does on how government bureaucracies work. Years of training and seasoning not necessary. Mr. Limbaugh, Ms. Coulter, Mr. Buchanan, Mr. Brimelow or Mr. Theodorocopoulos could have given Trump a short list of savvy people and how hard is it to get rid over holdovers, for heaven's sake?

    As for Nikki and Rex, their open contempt for Trump was grounds for replacement but, who goes out the door feet first? Bannon, his right-hand man. I don't know whose foreign policy Nikki thinks she's promoting but it isn't Trumps.

    This will be four years of wasted opportunities. Paralysis, if we're lucky.

    that fool got away with “It’s not Islam that’s the problem”

    Bring our troops home and close our borders and Islam will not be a problem for the US at all. Deport the Muslims that are here, along with the Israelis and things look pretty good.

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  • @Intelligent Dasein
    Trump needs to defy his officer corps of disgusting swamp creatures and completely change his tune on North Korea. Instead of condemning Kim Jong-un, he ought to be congratulating him.

    Kim Jong-un is a great nationalist who puts his own country and his own people first, Just like Trump promised to do. He is standing up against the globalist cabal, just like Trump promised to do. He secures his nation's border's through military strength and doesn't let anyone push his country around, just like Trump promised to do. He pursues a policy of extreme economic nationalism where all critical industries and manufacturing are kept in-house, just like Trump promised to do. Sanctions against North Korea will only make it stronger. Military force against North Korea will result in a devastating loss of prestige for the US and a corresponding victory for North Korea. North Korea is anti-fragile. Everybody loves an underdog, especially an underdog who wins. This David and Goliath story can only end with North Korea emerging as the hero who slung the stone that finally felled the evil US empire.

    Everybody who supported Trump last November ought to be supporting Kim now, and for exactly the same reasons. Kim Jong-un is even Trumpier than Trump himself. Our president may still be able to salvage the situation by saying, "You know what? I've changed my mind. I like this guy Kim. He's a good leader and a tough guy. I like tough guys." This would bring some sanity to the geopolitical system and would allow us to focus our wrath on the globalists, where it belongs.

    Everybody who supported Trump last November ought to be supporting Kim now, and for exactly the same reasons.

    What’s your explanation for why most don’t?

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    What’s your explanation for why most don’t?
     
    Because most people have not recognized the American Empire for the active force for evil that it is and aren't trying to bring it down. Most people could never imagine themselves as nationalists, monarchists, or traditionalists, believing these to be banished concepts. Most people have swallowed the MIC propaganda about North Korea being a rogue state and Kim being a crazy fat man. Many of them are Boomers who still think we're at war with "the Commies." In short, most people simply have no grasp of the real situation.
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  • @Linda Green
    Why do so many when talking about the deep state and all that decide that their intellectual contribution and Trump are devoid of the deep state? Hegelian Dialect and all that. I suspect those here of sound mind thinking the deep state is opposed to them are forgetting what they profess to know, I.e. The most effective way to control politics is to control or have a means to control both sides.

    Convince me the deep state is not present here today, and the next group to get hoodwinked is the left and their support of the communist antifa paid protesters. It's easy to turn on s dime when protesters are paid, just stop paying them and they will go back home to do whatever paid protesters do when the $ runs dry.

    Regardless, it is a horrible state of affairs when global billionaires do this crap and the lapdog media runs with them for the play by play.

    They own both sides fellas. One option is to retreat from the position of ivory tower observation and do something productive.

    We lost, get over it.

    Put differently the soap opera is just warming up in US Reality TV politics. God willing in say 5 years we will go back to normality. For now, deep state is running things on all fronts. If the South Koreans decide to challenge Kim, deep state will probably take back seat to actual hot nuclear war, absolving them of figuring out how to give the country back to the people.

    We lost, get over it. Yes, goy bye.

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  • Why do so many when talking about the deep state and all that decide that their intellectual contribution and Trump are devoid of the deep state? Hegelian Dialect and all that. I suspect those here of sound mind thinking the deep state is opposed to them are forgetting what they profess to know, I.e. The most effective way to control politics is to control or have a means to control both sides.

    Convince me the deep state is not present here today, and the next group to get hoodwinked is the left and their support of the communist antifa paid protesters. It’s easy to turn on s dime when protesters are paid, just stop paying them and they will go back home to do whatever paid protesters do when the $ runs dry.

    Regardless, it is a horrible state of affairs when global billionaires do this crap and the lapdog media runs with them for the play by play.

    They own both sides fellas. One option is to retreat from the position of ivory tower observation and do something productive.

    We lost, get over it.

    Put differently the soap opera is just warming up in US Reality TV politics. God willing in say 5 years we will go back to normality. For now, deep state is running things on all fronts. If the South Koreans decide to challenge Kim, deep state will probably take back seat to actual hot nuclear war, absolving them of figuring out how to give the country back to the people.

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    We lost, get over it. Yes, goy bye.
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  • The problem with Trump is Trump himself.

    People seem to have forgotten that Trump chose Mike Pence for his vice president. Why did he chose someone who would be more than ready to depose to him if conditions were right. I personally think that his daughter and son in law recommended Pence for this position because of his pro Israel, Neocon sympathies.

    If Trump wants to try to rescue his presidency, absolutely the first thing he should do is to kick both his daughter and son and law out of the White House. Jared Kushner would sell out Trump in a heartbeat if Kushner felt that Trump was becoming even a slight threat to the interests of Israel. If you think this is an overstatement remember that Jared Kushner had previously donated his own money to set up illegal settlements in the West Bank of Israel/Palestine. Despite this very negative factor Kushner was then able to successfully lobby to be Trump’s “impartial negotiator” between the Israelis and the Palestinians. The choice of Kushner to do this was absolutely ludacris. What was Trump thinking?

    Then he should get rid of the generals. Ever since the affirmative action aided rise of the totally unqualified Colin Powell under Bush the elder, promotions in the US armed forces have increasingly been the result of either purely affirmative action (especially under Obama) or another more ominous factor..

    Once the more historically more objective criteria for advancement had been shunted aside, the pro Israel leanings of potential white candidates became an increasingly important factor. It is not an overstatement to claim that upper level officers are simply not promoted these days if he or she hasn’t displayed anything less than total fealty to the interests of Israel and the Neocon power structure.. This has been the case since at least 2003.

    And let me tell you, Israel spends a tremendous amount of time and money trying to find out the viewpoints of these officer candidates.

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  • Many years ago, I read somewhere that if by some miracle Goldwater had won in 1964, he wouldn’t have been able to staff his administration with like-minded people. He would have had to appoint establishment types and Eisenhower holdovers to the key jobs.

    The reason given was there weren’t many “movement conservative” types who were qualified.

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  • @Clyde Wilson
    I believe that good people were available to serve Trump. I know a lot of them. Surely Bannon could have identified many. Instead, Trump relied for talent on the same Republican Establishment that tried to kill him and that has no principles except greed and lust for office. So what if he repealed some regulations and cancelled the environmental accords? Where are his major goals that he was elected for: build the wall, drain the swamp, support the deplorables, dismantle the over-extended empire. Where are the new District Attorneys devoted to prosecute Establishment criminals? Where is the forceful stand against leftist political violence? Repeal of Obamacare?
    We have hope for the new federal judges, but we have been betrayed on that more times than I can count. Most of them are Federalist Society, which means they don't have a clue about states' rights.
    Where is work on the debt?
    I believe if Trump would go to the country with strong arguments about the real problems and real solutions he would have a majority behind him.

    Trump is clueless, not a strategic thinker. He is easily distracted and does not understand even the major themes of what got him elected. As Ann Coulter said, you could go to the southern border and throw a brick in the dirt and that would be more of a contribution to building a wall than Trump has made.

    NK does represent a problem but what kind of a problem? Where do we and the rest of the world stand on non-proliferation? Important questions but one day in the recent past I woke up and a carrier task force was steaming toward Korean waters. Really? I didn’t recall that being mentioned during the campaign and what happened to the rest of the Trump agenda? This is an incoherent administration.

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  • @Intelligent Dasein
    Trump needs to defy his officer corps of disgusting swamp creatures and completely change his tune on North Korea. Instead of condemning Kim Jong-un, he ought to be congratulating him.

    Kim Jong-un is a great nationalist who puts his own country and his own people first, Just like Trump promised to do. He is standing up against the globalist cabal, just like Trump promised to do. He secures his nation's border's through military strength and doesn't let anyone push his country around, just like Trump promised to do. He pursues a policy of extreme economic nationalism where all critical industries and manufacturing are kept in-house, just like Trump promised to do. Sanctions against North Korea will only make it stronger. Military force against North Korea will result in a devastating loss of prestige for the US and a corresponding victory for North Korea. North Korea is anti-fragile. Everybody loves an underdog, especially an underdog who wins. This David and Goliath story can only end with North Korea emerging as the hero who slung the stone that finally felled the evil US empire.

    Everybody who supported Trump last November ought to be supporting Kim now, and for exactly the same reasons. Kim Jong-un is even Trumpier than Trump himself. Our president may still be able to salvage the situation by saying, "You know what? I've changed my mind. I like this guy Kim. He's a good leader and a tough guy. I like tough guys." This would bring some sanity to the geopolitical system and would allow us to focus our wrath on the globalists, where it belongs.

    Now that’s interesting. Breitbart came along and showed what aggressive, patriotic reporting looked like. While there’s much to hold one’s nose about re NK, it’s true that they show what determined national leaders can accomplish.

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  • @Rod1963
    Trump tried. The conventional talent pools - industry, Wall Street and the military all proved to sources for more swamp creatures and globalists.

    All those industry leaders he picked for his roundtable shit on him over Charlotteville. They were just waiting for the right time to shank him.

    The generals proved to be politicians out of the Obama mold. Kelly and McMaster all made rank under Obama.

    The people he needed aren't found at the top - that's just where all the carnival barkers and sociopaths in suits are. He needed small business types, academics, scientists, military officers not above the rank of colonel. The sorts of people still grounded in reality.

    People like Bannon, Gorka and those NSC staffers fired by McMaster.

    Maybe Douglas Macgregor as Sec Def versus a status quo guy like Mattis.

    In general people not found in the beltway, Manhattan or Silicon Valley or in the many think tanks that are nothing but corporate funded agit prop organs.

    Trump didn’t try. McMasters was recommended by McCain for crying out loud and that fool got away with “It’s not Islam that’s the problem” right under Trump’s nose. Trump’s director of personnel was someone right out of the camp of his enemies.

    The author’s mistaken if he thinks there needs to be some kind of farm team operation for future insurgent presidencies. There are boatloads of citizens in flyover country who have more insight than Trump does on how government bureaucracies work. Years of training and seasoning not necessary. Mr. Limbaugh, Ms. Coulter, Mr. Buchanan, Mr. Brimelow or Mr. Theodorocopoulos could have given Trump a short list of savvy people and how hard is it to get rid over holdovers, for heaven’s sake?

    As for Nikki and Rex, their open contempt for Trump was grounds for replacement but, who goes out the door feet first? Bannon, his right-hand man. I don’t know whose foreign policy Nikki thinks she’s promoting but it isn’t Trumps.

    This will be four years of wasted opportunities. Paralysis, if we’re lucky.

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    that fool got away with “It’s not Islam that’s the problem”
     
    Bring our troops home and close our borders and Islam will not be a problem for the US at all. Deport the Muslims that are here, along with the Israelis and things look pretty good.
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  • @Rod1963
    Trump tried. The conventional talent pools - industry, Wall Street and the military all proved to sources for more swamp creatures and globalists.

    All those industry leaders he picked for his roundtable shit on him over Charlotteville. They were just waiting for the right time to shank him.

    The generals proved to be politicians out of the Obama mold. Kelly and McMaster all made rank under Obama.

    The people he needed aren't found at the top - that's just where all the carnival barkers and sociopaths in suits are. He needed small business types, academics, scientists, military officers not above the rank of colonel. The sorts of people still grounded in reality.

    People like Bannon, Gorka and those NSC staffers fired by McMaster.

    Maybe Douglas Macgregor as Sec Def versus a status quo guy like Mattis.

    In general people not found in the beltway, Manhattan or Silicon Valley or in the many think tanks that are nothing but corporate funded agit prop organs.

    DOUGLAS MacGregor? Rather have Conor!

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  • @DESERT FOX
    Trump is the Zionist neocons Trojan Horse and the only difference between Trump and Helliary is their plumbing. He is going to go down as just another tool of the Zionist neocons who control America and this is a tragedy for the Zionists are destroying America.

    See THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION.

    Trump is the Zionist neocons Trojan Horse

    Not necessarily true that Trump was even aware of it but they profiled him psychologically and established all possible leverages that could be used on him for complete control and his candidacy got the final OK. One problem with this scenario is that Trump’s narcissistic personality is so toxic that him running any sensible goal oriented administration will be impossible. It is simply impossible to work with him and for him. Are Kelly and Tillerson next to go?

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  • I believe that good people were available to serve Trump. I know a lot of them. Surely Bannon could have identified many. Instead, Trump relied for talent on the same Republican Establishment that tried to kill him and that has no principles except greed and lust for office. So what if he repealed some regulations and cancelled the environmental accords? Where are his major goals that he was elected for: build the wall, drain the swamp, support the deplorables, dismantle the over-extended empire. Where are the new District Attorneys devoted to prosecute Establishment criminals? Where is the forceful stand against leftist political violence? Repeal of Obamacare?
    We have hope for the new federal judges, but we have been betrayed on that more times than I can count. Most of them are Federalist Society, which means they don’t have a clue about states’ rights.
    Where is work on the debt?
    I believe if Trump would go to the country with strong arguments about the real problems and real solutions he would have a majority behind him.

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    • Replies: @Ace
    Trump is clueless, not a strategic thinker. He is easily distracted and does not understand even the major themes of what got him elected. As Ann Coulter said, you could go to the southern border and throw a brick in the dirt and that would be more of a contribution to building a wall than Trump has made.

    NK does represent a problem but what kind of a problem? Where do we and the rest of the world stand on non-proliferation? Important questions but one day in the recent past I woke up and a carrier task force was steaming toward Korean waters. Really? I didn't recall that being mentioned during the campaign and what happened to the rest of the Trump agenda? This is an incoherent administration.
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  • @Priss Factor
    https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/904366792713224192

    Charlottesville was not the first stand-down order.

    In fact, there is a long pattern to this kind of policy which could be seen as a strategy.

    Democratic and proggy politicians and administrators have concocted a plan to intimidate and silence the patriots. Brainwash the young to hate whites. Unleash them on Patriots. Stand-Down orders to cops. Or B-U-S Plan.

    1. Use PC, anti-white pop culture, and funding to create a Janissary force of young crazed radicals.

    2. Have the media either ignore antifanissary violence(as in Milo Berkeley riot) or even praise it(as in Charlottesville).

    3. Have the police stand-down and do nothing. Give the antifanissary 'space to riot and attack'. Thus, the thugs are let loose on the patriots and few if any are arrested. And even if arrested, just give them a slap on the wrist. (In contrast, Chris Cantwell is denied bond.)

    This is no accident. It is a coordinated plan by Zionist-globalists to suppress the emergence of any white/gentile independence movement that wants OUT of the globalist-imperialist agenda. Imperialists have always trained the colonized to turn race-traitor and collaborationist. After all, imperialist elites are vastly outnumbered by the native patriots. So, the only way to ensure domination is by turning the natives against their own kind. It's why Ottoman Turks trained and turned Greek boys against other Greeks and Christians. In the US, Jewish Globalists use education, media, education, and law to turn white against white. and among whites, there are too many addicted to the smell of their own virtue farts as sweet perfume and too many cucks who will sell their mother down the river for position and privilege.

    Education, Pop culture, media, justice system, and politicians have all been weaponized by the Globalists. Their PC propaganda raised white kids to hate their own race via stuff like rap music, Rage Against Machine, DJANGO, etc. So, there will always be feral antifa thugs who naturally attack patriots.
    Now, many decent cops obviously want to arrest these thugs. But the Power orders them not to. So, cops don't serve and protect the people but serve and protect the Glob that uses antifa thugs to beat on the patriots. And if patriots fight back, as in Charlottesville, the weaponized media blame them for the violence(of self-defense) and glorify antifanissary thugs as the true patriots comparable to US soldiers in WWII.

    We have to expose the B-U-S Plan of the Glob.

    Yup. And we BadWhites are to be the Glob’s sacrificial pawns. We must die so that they might live.

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  • Trump needs to defy his officer corps of disgusting swamp creatures and completely change his tune on North Korea. Instead of condemning Kim Jong-un, he ought to be congratulating him.

    Kim Jong-un is a great nationalist who puts his own country and his own people first, Just like Trump promised to do. He is standing up against the globalist cabal, just like Trump promised to do. He secures his nation’s border’s through military strength and doesn’t let anyone push his country around, just like Trump promised to do. He pursues a policy of extreme economic nationalism where all critical industries and manufacturing are kept in-house, just like Trump promised to do. Sanctions against North Korea will only make it stronger. Military force against North Korea will result in a devastating loss of prestige for the US and a corresponding victory for North Korea. North Korea is anti-fragile. Everybody loves an underdog, especially an underdog who wins. This David and Goliath story can only end with North Korea emerging as the hero who slung the stone that finally felled the evil US empire.

    Everybody who supported Trump last November ought to be supporting Kim now, and for exactly the same reasons. Kim Jong-un is even Trumpier than Trump himself. Our president may still be able to salvage the situation by saying, “You know what? I’ve changed my mind. I like this guy Kim. He’s a good leader and a tough guy. I like tough guys.” This would bring some sanity to the geopolitical system and would allow us to focus our wrath on the globalists, where it belongs.

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    Now that's interesting. Breitbart came along and showed what aggressive, patriotic reporting looked like. While there's much to hold one's nose about re NK, it's true that they show what determined national leaders can accomplish.
    , @Stephen R. Diamond

    Everybody who supported Trump last November ought to be supporting Kim now, and for exactly the same reasons.
     
    What's your explanation for why most don't?
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  • Charlottesville was not the first stand-down order.

    In fact, there is a long pattern to this kind of policy which could be seen as a strategy.

    Democratic and proggy politicians and administrators have concocted a plan to intimidate and silence the patriots. Brainwash the young to hate whites. Unleash them on Patriots. Stand-Down orders to cops. Or B-U-S Plan.

    1. Use PC, anti-white pop culture, and funding to create a Janissary force of young crazed radicals.

    2. Have the media either ignore antifanissary violence(as in Milo Berkeley riot) or even praise it(as in Charlottesville).

    3. Have the police stand-down and do nothing. Give the antifanissary ‘space to riot and attack’. Thus, the thugs are let loose on the patriots and few if any are arrested. And even if arrested, just give them a slap on the wrist. (In contrast, Chris Cantwell is denied bond.)

    This is no accident. It is a coordinated plan by Zionist-globalists to suppress the emergence of any white/gentile independence movement that wants OUT of the globalist-imperialist agenda. Imperialists have always trained the colonized to turn race-traitor and collaborationist. After all, imperialist elites are vastly outnumbered by the native patriots. So, the only way to ensure domination is by turning the natives against their own kind. It’s why Ottoman Turks trained and turned Greek boys against other Greeks and Christians. In the US, Jewish Globalists use education, media, education, and law to turn white against white. and among whites, there are too many addicted to the smell of their own virtue farts as sweet perfume and too many cucks who will sell their mother down the river for position and privilege.

    Education, Pop culture, media, justice system, and politicians have all been weaponized by the Globalists. Their PC propaganda raised white kids to hate their own race via stuff like rap music, Rage Against Machine, DJANGO, etc. So, there will always be feral antifa thugs who naturally attack patriots.
    Now, many decent cops obviously want to arrest these thugs. But the Power orders them not to. So, cops don’t serve and protect the people but serve and protect the Glob that uses antifa thugs to beat on the patriots. And if patriots fight back, as in Charlottesville, the weaponized media blame them for the violence(of self-defense) and glorify antifanissary thugs as the true patriots comparable to US soldiers in WWII.

    We have to expose the B-U-S Plan of the Glob.

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    Yup. And we BadWhites are to be the Glob's sacrificial pawns. We must die so that they might live.
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  • This article is drivel and the readers are being jooied. Bannon is back running the traitorous IzzyFirster neocon site, Breitbart, where the narrow interests of the Tribe are promoted at the expense of everyone else. There will always be vain goy fig leafs like Bannon and Trumpstein eager to do the bidding of the jooie elites……very useful for getting over on the masses of asses. Government of the jooies, by the jooies, for the jooies shall not perish……….

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  • Trump is the Zionist neocons Trojan Horse and the only difference between Trump and Helliary is their plumbing. He is going to go down as just another tool of the Zionist neocons who control America and this is a tragedy for the Zionists are destroying America.

    See THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION.

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    Trump is the Zionist neocons Trojan Horse

    Not necessarily true that Trump was even aware of it but they profiled him psychologically and established all possible leverages that could be used on him for complete control and his candidacy got the final OK. One problem with this scenario is that Trump's narcissistic personality is so toxic that him running any sensible goal oriented administration will be impossible. It is simply impossible to work with him and for him. Are Kelly and Tillerson next to go?
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  • The irony is that by ultimately going along with the same course the deep state would have followed under any other candidate, Trump has assured that he will be personally blamed for all of history for the cataclysmic failure we are arriving at. It’s almost as if TPTB might have actually wanted a Trump victory to that very end, for it will make it easy to kill off, in the name of security, the safeguards that have prevented them thus far from asserting total control.

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  • To Jeremy Cooper,
    What I found involving in reading your article was it’s concise description of what happened , how it happened, why, when where it happened. and ….. how to fix it through hard work over long periods of time. Any article written in this style has potential to change minds and the course of events. Excellent!

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  • If nationalists want to ensure that their next generation of leaders is able to effectively implement the policies they run on, they are going to have to engage in the slow and tedious project of working their way up through powerful institutions.

    That’s as may be, but America (and the world) can’t and won’t wait for that.
    By the time the new leaders have “work(ed) their way up through powerful institutions”, there may well be no American nation to lead. There may be remnants of Pax Americana, but Trump really is the American nation’s last shot. If he’s capitulated to the Empire, then Trump is an American Tiberius Gracchus, and the alt-right a failed rear-guard action against the depredations of its own imperial class.

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  • Allow me a quick, top-of-the-head comment. Bench strength, organizational depth of talent–the alt right, dissident right, or whatever the heck we are, has none. And, whether we like it or not, the civil rights movement of the last century did, in its best days, appeal to the better angels inside us. MLK, Jr. talked a very good game, and obviously enjoyed much political and opinion leader support. Do we have anything at all that would induce a Tom Selleck or Clint Eastwood or other Hollywood conservative to front for us?

    I’m okay with the Trump phenomenon, and I recognize the permanent government is squishing him mightily. He does seem to me vastly isolated within the White House, with only the most limited powers of initiative left to him. Outside of the White House, there are, AFAIK, no Trumpian think tanks peddling Trumpian policy proposals and selling them to the American public through Trumpian surrogate speakers. I know some of his vocal supporters, decent people all, but most of them are taken in by Trump’s bad boy image and believe that alone can translate into policy and legislative success.

    What I’m trying to say, I suppose, is the prospects for the alt right becoming a meaningful and successful political movement appear pretty grim.

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  • We have here perhaps the key to Trump’s tragic failure. It was our last shot.

    Tragically, I think you may be right. Rostislav Ishchenko puts your statement in a wider context.

    https://orientalreview.org/2015/11/11/time-is-running-out-for-pax-americanas-apologists/

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  • @Rod1963
    Trump tried. The conventional talent pools - industry, Wall Street and the military all proved to sources for more swamp creatures and globalists.

    All those industry leaders he picked for his roundtable shit on him over Charlotteville. They were just waiting for the right time to shank him.

    The generals proved to be politicians out of the Obama mold. Kelly and McMaster all made rank under Obama.

    The people he needed aren't found at the top - that's just where all the carnival barkers and sociopaths in suits are. He needed small business types, academics, scientists, military officers not above the rank of colonel. The sorts of people still grounded in reality.

    People like Bannon, Gorka and those NSC staffers fired by McMaster.

    Maybe Douglas Macgregor as Sec Def versus a status quo guy like Mattis.

    In general people not found in the beltway, Manhattan or Silicon Valley or in the many think tanks that are nothing but corporate funded agit prop organs.

    Key concept:

    The people he needed aren’t found at the top – that’s just where all the carnival barkers and sociopaths in suits are.

    No one with anything that could be called integrity will ever be found in that fetid mat of scum.

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  • Moral: in a democracy, you always have a chance at winning when public opinion (or at least intraparty opinion) is on your side.

    Overall, a good article, but I’d like to know why the author uses big media’s self-legitimizing name for themselves, i.e., “MSM,” instead of something more appropriate like “big swamp media” or corporate media.

    Also, what makes the author think, ala the quote above, that democracy either exists or has anything to do with the US government? When did that happen? FYI, casting ballots does not a democracy make. Especially when both the process and the outcomes are ultimately meaningless which is one of the main points of the article.

    What’s so great about “democracy” in the first place? It is, after all, just another subvertable, corruptible, method of rule. Ruling implies rulers and there isn’t a human alive and there never has been one that’s fit to hold much, if any, power at all and experience shows that typically it’s the scum that rises to the top and that “democracy” is no exception.

    None of what I said is exactly news, for Juvenal asked, 2000 years ago, “Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?.

    He also quipped, correctly, that no man will get [his]help in robbery, and therefore no governor will take [him]on his staff. There’s a message in that idea somewhere…

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  • The USA’s problem is that since FDR foreign politics were persued for internal reasons.
    With Obama this era ended, Obama had to lower the two war standard to one and a half standard.
    The beginning of the end of the British empire was when the two fleet standard had to be lowered to one fleet.
    This led to inconsistent policies in the thirties, these inconsistencies contributed to WWII.

    At present the USA behaves inconsistent, it may that that Trump understands that the good old days of imperialism are over, but, as in still Great Britain in the thirties, few are able to see this.
    Of course changing drastically the political course of an empire still looking powerful is not easy.
    GB was deeply shocked when little yellow men sank the Repulse and the Prince of Wales, and overran impregnable Singapore.

    The USA is not small Britain, the USA is huge on its own territory, so not soon the USA will be a third rate country like GB now.
    But making the USA political establishment understand that ideas about controlling the world should be abandoned, not an easy task.

    Maybe yesterday’s North Korea’s explosion of a hydrogen bomb, the earthquake does not lie, I suppose, opens some eyes.

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    N.Korea just wants to be left alone to be another Government-Gone-Mad WITH Nuclear Weopans in this world. Why not have ANOTHER? There are already two...the U.S. and Zion.
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  • Somewhat on-topic:

    A review of Scott Horton’s “Fool’s Errand” concerning the Afghan Situation as Trump embarkeds on another continuation of the Bushbama war (i.e. there will be fighting of the US against radicals financed by Saudi Arabia and Pakistan because reasons. Or likely big bucks can transferred from the taxpayer on phantom reconstruction, military gear, base building and/or made on opiate production)

    As I finalized this review, President Trump aped words of the main generals, McMaster and Mattis, who Mr. Horton credits as perennial hawks looking to keep kicking the losing can down the road for hosts of reasons, much of them strategic. I don’t think it’s careless to type Mr. Horton held a small glimmer of hope Mr. Trump would at the very least lower troop levels.

    That, of course, is not the case.

    The United States now enters its sixteenth year in Afghanistan with an administration run by the military. Mr. Trump eschewed nation building and the scoundrel’s excuse of schools for girls, loosening the rules of engagement, as reasons why the US stays. Mr. Trump also refused a timeline, insisting this was a kind of comfort to the enemy. In other words, regardless of your thoughts on military engagement strategy, there are no markers for success or failure. This is a bar US military apparatchiks have dreamed would be set for generations. They now have their war completely to themselves, free from real scrutiny.

    This means Scott Horton’s Fool’s Errand has arrived at exactly the right time. It is written to Americans, and his continual use of pronouns like ‘our’ and ‘we’ stunned me in the beginning. But over time I began to soften because I’ve listened to so many of his broadcasts (he’s fond of colloquialisms such as ‘y’all’).

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  • @Clyde Wilson
    We have here perhaps the key to Trump's tragic failure. It was our last shot.

    What “failure”?

    After only eight months:

    President Trump Eliminates 860 Obama-Era Federal Regulations

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/21/great-again-trump-eliminates-860-obama-era-federal-regulations/

    President Trump Has Now Signed 40 Pieces Of Legislation As He Moves To Enact His Agenda

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/25/president-trump-has-now-signed-40-pieces-of-legislation-as-he-moves-to-enact-his-agenda/

    NASA Data Proves Trump Right to Exit Paris Climate Accord

    https://www.prisonplanet.com/nasa-data-proves-trump-right-to-exit-paris-climate-accord.html

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  • If nationalists want to ensure that their next generation of leaders is able to effectively implement the policies they run on, they are going to have to engage in the slow and tedious project of working their way up through powerful institutions.

    A primary function of these institutions is to exclude nationalists. Isn’t this obvious?

    Bannon may have been and remains an “outsider” to the political Establishment. But nonetheless, throughout his life he has leveraged elite institutions such as Harvard, Goldman Sachs, the Republican Party, and even Hollywood in order to become financially independent and free to pursue his political goals.

    Bannon is a very unusual case and did it more or less undercover. You aren’t going to build a next generation of nationalist leaders this way.

    It’s a good article but the conclusion is rather like telling the Bolsheviks that they had to engage in the slow and tedious project of working their way up through the Czarist bureaucracy.

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  • Actually Trump’s signature line should have been his ONLY action. “DC, you’re fired.”

    Fire all of DC and leave it empty.

    The important parts of the Federal govt have local offices that work nicely and maintain firm contact with reality. FBI, IRS, SS, USDA, Army bases, post offices, etc. All function BETTER with no guidance from above. Decentralize. Let them function.

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  • Is this true? People with KKK shirts and people with BLM shirts getting off same buses?

    A setup?

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    Is that a surprise? There have been commentaries HERE in other articles explaining the class war disguised as a race war and played out by the Leftassts. Nothing is as it seems on the surface in this latest attack on Western Society.
    Re-Watched an old movie the other night on Youtube (plenty of free HD movies to be had, there) called The Last Domenica. One line boxed my ears: "if you needed to protect your family and your way of life, would YOU kill?"
    Another quote that I read, recently, was by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei who said, in so many words, that an enemy who attacks your social ideology is far more dangerous than a military adversary.
    As slow as Americans are to awaken out of slumber, it's not going to bode well for the populous. Could this all be "preliminaries" for a situation that "calls" for Martial Law so that even more "liberties" are taken?
    One thing is a given: Trump doesn't have expertise in a Cabinet that is inexperienced and he is not a good judge of character (probably because HE is not that stellar a character.
    I voted for him. He's doing well, all things considered. But, it's been a nerve-wracking ride, so far.
    As I write this, I am watching the national news and DACA will end. ILLEGALS need to get the blank out! This is another step of victory in the long road to MAGA. I am happy for those successful graduates from University that came from El Salvador (or wherever) as an eleven years old (for them-personally) but it is another job that will be filled by someone other than a naturalized citizen, allow because of weak, backboneless politicians.
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  • …René Guénon, a French occultist who eventually became a Sufi Muslim

    .

    René Guenon was no occultist or conjurer of cheap parlor tricks. He was a philosopher of the highest caliber in the perennialist school, and had deeper insight into metaphysics than anybody else in the West going back at least 500 years.

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  • @Clyde Wilson
    Is there any evidence that Trump even tried to find the right people to fill the offices?

    Trump tried. The conventional talent pools – industry, Wall Street and the military all proved to sources for more swamp creatures and globalists.

    All those industry leaders he picked for his roundtable shit on him over Charlotteville. They were just waiting for the right time to shank him.

    The generals proved to be politicians out of the Obama mold. Kelly and McMaster all made rank under Obama.

    The people he needed aren’t found at the top – that’s just where all the carnival barkers and sociopaths in suits are. He needed small business types, academics, scientists, military officers not above the rank of colonel. The sorts of people still grounded in reality.

    People like Bannon, Gorka and those NSC staffers fired by McMaster.

    Maybe Douglas Macgregor as Sec Def versus a status quo guy like Mattis.

    In general people not found in the beltway, Manhattan or Silicon Valley or in the many think tanks that are nothing but corporate funded agit prop organs.

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    Key concept:

    The people he needed aren’t found at the top – that’s just where all the carnival barkers and sociopaths in suits are.
     
    No one with anything that could be called integrity will ever be found in that fetid mat of scum.
    , @Father O'Hara
    DOUGLAS MacGregor? Rather have Conor!
    , @Ace
    Trump didn't try. McMasters was recommended by McCain for crying out loud and that fool got away with "It's not Islam that's the problem" right under Trump's nose. Trump's director of personnel was someone right out of the camp of his enemies.

    The author's mistaken if he thinks there needs to be some kind of farm team operation for future insurgent presidencies. There are boatloads of citizens in flyover country who have more insight than Trump does on how government bureaucracies work. Years of training and seasoning not necessary. Mr. Limbaugh, Ms. Coulter, Mr. Buchanan, Mr. Brimelow or Mr. Theodorocopoulos could have given Trump a short list of savvy people and how hard is it to get rid over holdovers, for heaven's sake?

    As for Nikki and Rex, their open contempt for Trump was grounds for replacement but, who goes out the door feet first? Bannon, his right-hand man. I don't know whose foreign policy Nikki thinks she's promoting but it isn't Trumps.

    This will be four years of wasted opportunities. Paralysis, if we're lucky.
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  • We have here perhaps the key to Trump’s tragic failure. It was our last shot.

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    What "failure"?

    After only eight months:

    President Trump Eliminates 860 Obama-Era Federal Regulations
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/21/great-again-trump-eliminates-860-obama-era-federal-regulations/

    President Trump Has Now Signed 40 Pieces Of Legislation As He Moves To Enact His Agenda
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/25/president-trump-has-now-signed-40-pieces-of-legislation-as-he-moves-to-enact-his-agenda/

    NASA Data Proves Trump Right to Exit Paris Climate Accord
    https://www.prisonplanet.com/nasa-data-proves-trump-right-to-exit-paris-climate-accord.html

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  • @Clyde Wilson
    Is there any evidence that Trump even tried to find the right people to fill the offices?

    Having dabbled ever so slightly in this process in the spring, my impression is that there is a mechanism run largely by lawyers from the big DC law firms (presumably one for each party) who are the gatekeepers for applicants. The result of this system, which I have little doubt that the “Trump Team” did not try to take on (after all, they had only a couple of months to put together the beginnings of a team, and that left little or no time replacing The Swamp Machine…) is that the key positions throughout the administration are largely filled with lawyers from connected law firms. After all, who better to administer the government than lawyers!?!?

    At any rate, my experience with the process was: on your marks, get set, nothing. 30 years experience in and around federal government, but not a lawyer. Don’t call us, we don’t want to talk to you. (I also made clear in my cover letter that the key motivator for my application — and first ever political contributions — was Trump and his agenda. In retrospect, this “admission” was probably a kiss of death. I was a Trumpite. Eeeewww!!! (I may well not have been qualified for anything, but I’m SURE I was disqualified by my support for Trump…)

    The triumph of the Swamp.

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    Same here .... Thirty years as a Consultant on the Beltway (including relevant Military Service) and no one in the Trump Administration will give me anything other than a File-Number .... The elites/establishment has apparently isolated President Trump from competent/loyal support ... Possibly a quiet and silent coup ......
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  • Is there any evidence that Trump even tried to find the right people to fill the offices?

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    Having dabbled ever so slightly in this process in the spring, my impression is that there is a mechanism run largely by lawyers from the big DC law firms (presumably one for each party) who are the gatekeepers for applicants. The result of this system, which I have little doubt that the "Trump Team" did not try to take on (after all, they had only a couple of months to put together the beginnings of a team, and that left little or no time replacing The Swamp Machine...) is that the key positions throughout the administration are largely filled with lawyers from connected law firms. After all, who better to administer the government than lawyers!?!?

    At any rate, my experience with the process was: on your marks, get set, nothing. 30 years experience in and around federal government, but not a lawyer. Don't call us, we don't want to talk to you. (I also made clear in my cover letter that the key motivator for my application -- and first ever political contributions -- was Trump and his agenda. In retrospect, this "admission" was probably a kiss of death. I was a Trumpite. Eeeewww!!! (I may well not have been qualified for anything, but I'm SURE I was disqualified by my support for Trump...)

    The triumph of the Swamp.
    , @Rod1963
    Trump tried. The conventional talent pools - industry, Wall Street and the military all proved to sources for more swamp creatures and globalists.

    All those industry leaders he picked for his roundtable shit on him over Charlotteville. They were just waiting for the right time to shank him.

    The generals proved to be politicians out of the Obama mold. Kelly and McMaster all made rank under Obama.

    The people he needed aren't found at the top - that's just where all the carnival barkers and sociopaths in suits are. He needed small business types, academics, scientists, military officers not above the rank of colonel. The sorts of people still grounded in reality.

    People like Bannon, Gorka and those NSC staffers fired by McMaster.

    Maybe Douglas Macgregor as Sec Def versus a status quo guy like Mattis.

    In general people not found in the beltway, Manhattan or Silicon Valley or in the many think tanks that are nothing but corporate funded agit prop organs.
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  • (Headline with apologies to Mark Twain). Immigration patriots have long been fascinated by nation-states that appear to be resisting globalist pressure to abolish themselves, like Japan and Israel. So some dismay greeted the report by Canadian anthropologist Peter Frost that multiculturalism had infected South Korea and that it was well down the path to Western-style...
  • Interesting. However.

    “Reports Of Korea’s Self-Abolition Have Been Exaggerated”

    There is more than one way for a nation to commit suicide. The SK fertility rate is presently at 1.20. Over a generation or two that will do a dandy job of self-abolition.

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  • See also: Lynn`s Race Differences in Intelligence: PC Won`t Make Them Go Away IQ matters. And it doesn’t just matter for individuals—the IQ of your country is even more important than your own IQ when predicting your level of wealth. This obviously has massive implications when it comes to immigration, because intelligence differences exist between...
  • @G. Mayre
    For some reason North Korea, which is racially the same with South Korea, is always missing from these national wealth/IQ "surveys", probably because it would blow the whole argument out of the water.

    You are looking at this in the wrong context.

    North Korea is a shining example of the genetic basis for IQ. Despite crushing sanctions and isolationism under a communist totalitarian regime crushing GDP and causing widespread malnourishment (horrendously negative environmental vectors), the country has been able to create a vibrant nuclear energy program, perfect satellite and ballistic missile technology, and assemble one of the strongest computer hacking forces in the world. All of this on a GDP per capital much less than most of Africa.

    What black African nation can boast of domestically produced intercontinental ballistic missile technology and nuclear energy?

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  • @MarkinLA
    So Harvard is the only university using the SAT or ACT? Why do you resort to cherry picking one irrelevant example as though that proves something when I am talking about the population in general? There seems to be something missing in your ability to think logically. Maybe you didn't do too well on the Math portion of the SAT and still hold a grudge.

    For example, when I say that high school grades were near useless for determining admissions to highly selective universities, you give an example which says exactly the same thing but you can't see it. You just rotate it a little logically by saying Harvard was trying to see if they could admit a diamond in the rough.

    The rest of your rambling was just a bunch of irrelevant nonsense with regard to the purpose of standardized testing for college admissions. Harvard and it's unique goals for the admission process have nothing to do with the general idea behind using standardized tests.

    Dear MarkinLA

    Thank you for your opinion. I will try to take your advice and hope bit by bit to improve my reasoning ability. I would like to say, incidentally, that I do think you would score very well on a test of vituperative aptitude.

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  • Small snap shot. The country richest longest is China! Quite fitting first female Fields Medal Winner is Iranian. The country has schools encouraging gifted girls. Oh and did you know Iranians have topped the innovation awards for women competition for several years? First time in 2008!

    It is all about encouraging intelligence. The first student to do 4 triposes in Cambridge in 5 years was an Indian student. His triposes were in Mathematics (he was a Wrangler), Engineering (called Mechanical Science then), Sciences and Languages. He was especially gifted in Maths (also did M Phil in Math with distinction before he left Cambridge) and was a friend of Einstein.

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  • @CanSpeccy


    The result of the top universities relying on SAT tests to select students for admission is that entrants to the top US universities don’t need to know anything at all. But they’re really, really bright!
     
    Writing this just makes you look foolish. I hope you can see this.
     
    I think saying this makes you seem a bit silly, actually.

    You seem to think that Harvard and other such places are somehow concerned to have a merit based admissions process. But nothing could be further from the truth. What they want are:

    (a) kids of the elite, kids who have the right connections, the right manners, and know how to dress properly. They, after all, are the people who, on becoming senile and sentimental, are going to kick back more billions to the university foundation.

    and (b) the odd few dozen phenoms from the backwoods as a sort of leaven to the loaf.

    How the Hell the latter are selected really doesn't matter. There are tens of thousands of them who would do. But it's easier to administer a machine scored IQ test than mark a proper exam — you know, maybe thousands of words of essays on each paper.

    Certainly Harvard is never going to have a meritocratic selection process which gives some nobody from Arkansas an equal chance with the daughter of a senator or a hedge fund manager. The odd intelligent pleb can come from anywhere, anyhow. In the US there are 20,000 of them with an IQ (to take that questionable measure) of more than 140 graduating from high school every year. Any couple of hundred of them will be as good as another, so far as Harvard is concerned.

    So Harvard is the only university using the SAT or ACT? Why do you resort to cherry picking one irrelevant example as though that proves something when I am talking about the population in general? There seems to be something missing in your ability to think logically. Maybe you didn’t do too well on the Math portion of the SAT and still hold a grudge.

    For example, when I say that high school grades were near useless for determining admissions to highly selective universities, you give an example which says exactly the same thing but you can’t see it. You just rotate it a little logically by saying Harvard was trying to see if they could admit a diamond in the rough.

    The rest of your rambling was just a bunch of irrelevant nonsense with regard to the purpose of standardized testing for college admissions. Harvard and it’s unique goals for the admission process have nothing to do with the general idea behind using standardized tests.

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    Dear MarkinLA

    Thank you for your opinion. I will try to take your advice and hope bit by bit to improve my reasoning ability. I would like to say, incidentally, that I do think you would score very well on a test of vituperative aptitude.

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  • @MarkinLA
    who lacked the advantage of attendance at a private prep school

    Silly, stupid me assuming this meant that there was a huge variation in the quality of high schools. You seem to have a flaw in your general thinking where you have this all-or-nothing belief system.

    as if all the public schools in the US were crap

    This is one extreme which I never asserted. and this is the other.

    lacked the advantage of attendance at a private prep school

    Everybody knows there is a huge variation in the quality of public high schools around the country. That is why people pay so much to live in certain areas to get their kids in those schools.

    The result of the top universities relying on SAT tests to select students for admission is that entrants to the top US universities don’t need to know anything at all. But they’re really, really bright!


    Writing this just makes you look foolish. I hope you can see this.

    The result of the top universities relying on SAT tests to select students for admission is that entrants to the top US universities don’t need to know anything at all. But they’re really, really bright!

    Writing this just makes you look foolish. I hope you can see this.

    I think saying this makes you seem a bit silly, actually.

    You seem to think that Harvard and other such places are somehow concerned to have a merit based admissions process. But nothing could be further from the truth. What they want are:

    (a) kids of the elite, kids who have the right connections, the right manners, and know how to dress properly. They, after all, are the people who, on becoming senile and sentimental, are going to kick back more billions to the university foundation.

    and (b) the odd few dozen phenoms from the backwoods as a sort of leaven to the loaf.

    How the Hell the latter are selected really doesn’t matter. There are tens of thousands of them who would do. But it’s easier to administer a machine scored IQ test than mark a proper exam — you know, maybe thousands of words of essays on each paper.

    Certainly Harvard is never going to have a meritocratic selection process which gives some nobody from Arkansas an equal chance with the daughter of a senator or a hedge fund manager. The odd intelligent pleb can come from anywhere, anyhow. In the US there are 20,000 of them with an IQ (to take that questionable measure) of more than 140 graduating from high school every year. Any couple of hundred of them will be as good as another, so far as Harvard is concerned.

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    So Harvard is the only university using the SAT or ACT? Why do you resort to cherry picking one irrelevant example as though that proves something when I am talking about the population in general? There seems to be something missing in your ability to think logically. Maybe you didn't do too well on the Math portion of the SAT and still hold a grudge.

    For example, when I say that high school grades were near useless for determining admissions to highly selective universities, you give an example which says exactly the same thing but you can't see it. You just rotate it a little logically by saying Harvard was trying to see if they could admit a diamond in the rough.

    The rest of your rambling was just a bunch of irrelevant nonsense with regard to the purpose of standardized testing for college admissions. Harvard and it's unique goals for the admission process have nothing to do with the general idea behind using standardized tests.
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  • who lacked the advantage of attendance at a private prep school

    Silly, stupid me assuming this meant that there was a huge variation in the quality of high schools. You seem to have a flaw in your general thinking where you have this all-or-nothing belief system.

    as if all the public schools in the US were crap

    This is one extreme which I never asserted. and this is the other.

    lacked the advantage of attendance at a private prep school

    Everybody knows there is a huge variation in the quality of public high schools around the country. That is why people pay so much to live in certain areas to get their kids in those schools.

    The result of the top universities relying on SAT tests to select students for admission is that entrants to the top US universities don’t need to know anything at all. But they’re really, really bright!

    Writing this just makes you look foolish. I hope you can see this.

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    The result of the top universities relying on SAT tests to select students for admission is that entrants to the top US universities don’t need to know anything at all. But they’re really, really bright!
     
    Writing this just makes you look foolish. I hope you can see this.
     
    I think saying this makes you seem a bit silly, actually.

    You seem to think that Harvard and other such places are somehow concerned to have a merit based admissions process. But nothing could be further from the truth. What they want are:

    (a) kids of the elite, kids who have the right connections, the right manners, and know how to dress properly. They, after all, are the people who, on becoming senile and sentimental, are going to kick back more billions to the university foundation.

    and (b) the odd few dozen phenoms from the backwoods as a sort of leaven to the loaf.

    How the Hell the latter are selected really doesn't matter. There are tens of thousands of them who would do. But it's easier to administer a machine scored IQ test than mark a proper exam — you know, maybe thousands of words of essays on each paper.

    Certainly Harvard is never going to have a meritocratic selection process which gives some nobody from Arkansas an equal chance with the daughter of a senator or a hedge fund manager. The odd intelligent pleb can come from anywhere, anyhow. In the US there are 20,000 of them with an IQ (to take that questionable measure) of more than 140 graduating from high school every year. Any couple of hundred of them will be as good as another, so far as Harvard is concerned.
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  • @MarkinLA
    You seem to have forgotten that the universities started using the SAT and ACT because the high school grades were so useless as a way to determine admissions - especially to the most competitive campuses. The reason why they are going away from standardized tests is not because they are not doing what they are supposed to do - that is predict who is likely to succeed in their freshman year of college but because they do the job all too well and shine on a light on how deficient many of the affirmative action admits are. In other words, we are getting rid of the SATs because they work and get in the way of diversity.

    As for your silly anecdotes, I keep talking about averages and you keep bringing up silly examples like Einstein. Do you not see how stupid it is to bring up one person when talking about the entire population? How many valedictorians from minority high schools that started out as physics, mathematics, or even pre-med majors at an Ivy League or flagship state campus downgraded their major to sociology or victim studies. I bet for every Einstein there were hundreds (if not thousands) of AA downgrades.

    As for those other parameters you mention, NOBODY can measure them so barking about them makes no sense. You can only determine those after years of a person's life and we don't have 10 years of serious academic history for every person to determine if they should be admitted to college. High school is not serious academics. So we have to use the best available tools we have.

    I don't get your point when it comes to achievement testing? I took the SAT and achievement tests at the same time and consider them to be one and the same. Are you trying to say that some people score extremely well on the achievement tests and so poorly on the general SAT that they don't get in college? The admissions people look at both of them. I am sure that if somebody scored 800 on the SAT math and 800 on the achievement math that the admissions people would overlook a 500 English so I don't see that there is an issue here. I am not sure what your point is because if there was no SAT and only the achievement tests, the AA admits who are deficient would still show themselves to be deficient via the achievement tests. In addition, the English achievement test is usually a required test by most (if not all) maj0r universities.

    The fact is that neither academic achievement tests nor SAT tests do a good job of predicting university performance, which is determined largely by motivation.

    And you know this how? Oh that's right, you asserted it, so it must be true. The SATs and achievement tests do a very good job of matching a student with his peers. It doesn't matter how much "motivation" somebody has if he isn't as smart as everybody else in the class. He will likely realize that no matter how much time he spends on the subject, he just cannot keep up (unless it is at places like Ivy's or Stanford where everybody gets an A). This is why you have so many downgraded majors - especially in the AA crowd.

    All the motivation in the world could not make Bill Gates a mathematician. He realized that at Harvard when as bright as he was in high school (and he was no slouch) he was in classes with guys who could talk to the professor at the professor's level. So he became a programmer.

    You seem to have forgotten that the universities started using the SAT and ACT because the high school grades were so useless as a way to determine admissions

    What’s the point in debating someone who begins by asserting flatly what is simply false. SAT tests were introduced by James Conant of Harvard University with the intention that they would identify bright students who lacked the advantage of attendance at a private prep school and who were thus supposed to be disadvantaged in traditional academic selection procedures as if all the public schools in the US were crap, which is absurd.

    The result of the top universities relying on SAT tests to select students for admission is that entrants to the top US universities don’t need to know anything at all. But they’re really, really bright!

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  • @utu
    While listening to Jordan Peterson that you linked to it occurred to me there would be no jobs for people like him or Charles Murray or Jensen or Lynn if we lived in a society with high degree of ethnic and cultural homogeneity. It all began when English gentlemen and French entrepreneurs came up with the get rich quick schemes of growing sugar cane, tobacco, cotton and coffee by bringing black slaves to the New World.

    Yes, the European leadership has been as bloody stupid as its intellectuals have been creative. When they arrived 400 years ago, the dopey Dutch had South Africa pretty much to themselves apart from a few hundred thousand hunter-gatherer Kung tribesmen, but the settlers (especially the British out for gold and diamonds and financed by the Rothschilds) encouraged millions of Africans from the North to enter the territory as cheap labor. Now the cheap labor owns the country.

    The European settlers in the US were lucky that British reformers interrupted the slave trade, otherwise, the US would not be 10% African but close to 100%. As it is the slaves own theCaribbean.

    Now the stupid Brits and French and Germans are bringing in cheap labor by the million to their own countries while suppressing their own fertility by imposing every known form of sexual perversion on their own children as part of the compulsory school curriculum. They call it sex “education.” Even the Jews in Britain are under pressure to submit to the LGBT mind-bending school agenda. As the result, large parts of Britain have already fallen to the cheap labor. Soon the cheap labor, African, Asian, Middle Eastern, and East European, will rule the country. The cheap Muslim labor already rules London, the Mayor Sadiq Khan asserting his right to prevent a visit to Britain by the US President.

    If any race on the face of the planet goes extinct because of mentally deficiency, it will be the Europeans who are too stupid even to fuck to any effect, while they blather inanely about their superior IQs.

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  • @CanSpeccy

    Three anecdotes invalidates invalidates the millions of people where standardized testing did a pretty good job of scoring their academic talent.
     
    They're not anecdotes, they are facts.

    And in saying that "standardized testing did a pretty good job ..." you are making an assertion of what has to be proved, namely that IQ tests (I presume by standardized testing you mean IQ tests) do a better job than old fashioned achievement tests.

    But do they?

    You cite no evidence.

    According to Charles Murray:


    In theory, the SAT and the achievement tests measure different things. In the College Board’s own words from its website, “The SAT measures students’ verbal reasoning, critical reading, and skills,” while the achievement tests “show colleges their mastery of specific subjects.” In practice, SAT and achievement test scores are so highly correlated that SAT scores tell the admissions office little that it does not learn from the achievement test scores alone.
     
    The fact is that neither academic achievement tests nor SAT tests do a good job of predicting university performance, which is determined largely by motivation.

    But like other IQ-ists you seem unable to grasp that IQ/SAT tests don't measure every aspect of intelligence or even, as some would say, the most important, that being, according to Albert Einstein, imagination. Einstein did relatively poorly at Zurich's ETH, where he was denied entry to graduate school, hence his job at the patent office. But Einstein did have imagination, which an IQ-ist has to dismiss as of no significance since he has no way of measuring it. Likewise, he has no way of measuring judgement, wit, or many other traits that contribute to any comprehensive assessment of intelligence.

    In practice, SAT and achievement test scores are so highly correlated that SAT

    Of course they are because they are both timed so intelligence is a big part of how people score. Intelligence is not a measure of what you know it is a measure of how fast you can come up with the answer. Since both tests are timed, smarter people will generally come up with more answers given the time to go through the questions since there is a mixture of simple questions and complex ones where you have to draw conclusions from the stated facts.

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    @CanSpeccy

    It is a very toxic idea that requires a significant level of intellectual effort to refute it.
     
    Public misunderstanding about intelligence and IQ results largely if not entirely from the way psychologists have redefined intelligence to conform with what they can measure. They have incorporated the lamppost fallacy in their understanding of intelligence, and it is from that, I believe, that all the toxic consequences follow. I have attempted to explain more fully in a comment under James Thompson's latest post.

    While listening to Jordan Peterson that you linked to it occurred to me there would be no jobs for people like him or Charles Murray or Jensen or Lynn if we lived in a society with high degree of ethnic and cultural homogeneity. It all began when English gentlemen and French entrepreneurs came up with the get rich quick schemes of growing sugar cane, tobacco, cotton and coffee by bringing black slaves to the New World.

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    Yes, the European leadership has been as bloody stupid as its intellectuals have been creative. When they arrived 400 years ago, the dopey Dutch had South Africa pretty much to themselves apart from a few hundred thousand hunter-gatherer Kung tribesmen, but the settlers (especially the British out for gold and diamonds and financed by the Rothschilds) encouraged millions of Africans from the North to enter the territory as cheap labor. Now the cheap labor owns the country.

    The European settlers in the US were lucky that British reformers interrupted the slave trade, otherwise, the US would not be 10% African but close to 100%. As it is the slaves own theCaribbean.

    Now the stupid Brits and French and Germans are bringing in cheap labor by the million to their own countries while suppressing their own fertility by imposing every known form of sexual perversion on their own children as part of the compulsory school curriculum. They call it sex "education." Even the Jews in Britain are under pressure to submit to the LGBT mind-bending school agenda. As the result, large parts of Britain have already fallen to the cheap labor. Soon the cheap labor, African, Asian, Middle Eastern, and East European, will rule the country. The cheap Muslim labor already rules London, the Mayor Sadiq Khan asserting his right to prevent a visit to Britain by the US President.

    If any race on the face of the planet goes extinct because of mentally deficiency, it will be the Europeans who are too stupid even to fuck to any effect, while they blather inanely about their superior IQs.

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  • @CanSpeccy

    Three anecdotes invalidates invalidates the millions of people where standardized testing did a pretty good job of scoring their academic talent.
     
    They're not anecdotes, they are facts.

    And in saying that "standardized testing did a pretty good job ..." you are making an assertion of what has to be proved, namely that IQ tests (I presume by standardized testing you mean IQ tests) do a better job than old fashioned achievement tests.

    But do they?

    You cite no evidence.

    According to Charles Murray:


    In theory, the SAT and the achievement tests measure different things. In the College Board’s own words from its website, “The SAT measures students’ verbal reasoning, critical reading, and skills,” while the achievement tests “show colleges their mastery of specific subjects.” In practice, SAT and achievement test scores are so highly correlated that SAT scores tell the admissions office little that it does not learn from the achievement test scores alone.
     
    The fact is that neither academic achievement tests nor SAT tests do a good job of predicting university performance, which is determined largely by motivation.

    But like other IQ-ists you seem unable to grasp that IQ/SAT tests don't measure every aspect of intelligence or even, as some would say, the most important, that being, according to Albert Einstein, imagination. Einstein did relatively poorly at Zurich's ETH, where he was denied entry to graduate school, hence his job at the patent office. But Einstein did have imagination, which an IQ-ist has to dismiss as of no significance since he has no way of measuring it. Likewise, he has no way of measuring judgement, wit, or many other traits that contribute to any comprehensive assessment of intelligence.

    You seem to have forgotten that the universities started using the SAT and ACT because the high school grades were so useless as a way to determine admissions – especially to the most competitive campuses. The reason why they are going away from standardized tests is not because they are not doing what they are supposed to do – that is predict who is likely to succeed in their freshman year of college but because they do the job all too well and shine on a light on how deficient many of the affirmative action admits are. In other words, we are getting rid of the SATs because they work and get in the way of diversity.

    As for your silly anecdotes, I keep talking about averages and you keep bringing up silly examples like Einstein. Do you not see how stupid it is to bring up one person when talking about the entire population? How many valedictorians from minority high schools that started out as physics, mathematics, or even pre-med majors at an Ivy League or flagship state campus downgraded their major to sociology or victim studies. I bet for every Einstein there were hundreds (if not thousands) of AA downgrades.

    As for those other parameters you mention, NOBODY can measure them so barking about them makes no sense. You can only determine those after years of a person’s life and we don’t have 10 years of serious academic history for every person to determine if they should be admitted to college. High school is not serious academics. So we have to use the best available tools we have.

    I don’t get your point when it comes to achievement testing? I took the SAT and achievement tests at the same time and consider them to be one and the same. Are you trying to say that some people score extremely well on the achievement tests and so poorly on the general SAT that they don’t get in college? The admissions people look at both of them. I am sure that if somebody scored 800 on the SAT math and 800 on the achievement math that the admissions people would overlook a 500 English so I don’t see that there is an issue here. I am not sure what your point is because if there was no SAT and only the achievement tests, the AA admits who are deficient would still show themselves to be deficient via the achievement tests. In addition, the English achievement test is usually a required test by most (if not all) maj0r universities.

    The fact is that neither academic achievement tests nor SAT tests do a good job of predicting university performance, which is determined largely by motivation.

    And you know this how? Oh that’s right, you asserted it, so it must be true. The SATs and achievement tests do a very good job of matching a student with his peers. It doesn’t matter how much “motivation” somebody has if he isn’t as smart as everybody else in the class. He will likely realize that no matter how much time he spends on the subject, he just cannot keep up (unless it is at places like Ivy’s or Stanford where everybody gets an A). This is why you have so many downgraded majors – especially in the AA crowd.

    All the motivation in the world could not make Bill Gates a mathematician. He realized that at Harvard when as bright as he was in high school (and he was no slouch) he was in classes with guys who could talk to the professor at the professor’s level. So he became a programmer.

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    You seem to have forgotten that the universities started using the SAT and ACT because the high school grades were so useless as a way to determine admissions
     
    What's the point in debating someone who begins by asserting flatly what is simply false. SAT tests were introduced by James Conant of Harvard University with the intention that they would identify bright students who lacked the advantage of attendance at a private prep school and who were thus supposed to be disadvantaged in traditional academic selection procedures as if all the public schools in the US were crap, which is absurd.

    The result of the top universities relying on SAT tests to select students for admission is that entrants to the top US universities don't need to know anything at all. But they're really, really bright!
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  • @MarkinLA
    Three anecdotes invalidates the millions of people where standardized testing did a pretty good job of scoring their academic talent. You people don't seem to get it that just because something isn't perfect doesn't mean that it has no value.

    Previous academic performance, huh? You mean as in all those affirmative action scholars at Ivy league schools who end up with sociology or black studies degrees? Many were "valedictorians" at their school.

    Funny that you think previous academic success (especially in High school) is better than the SAT.

    Three anecdotes invalidates invalidates the millions of people where standardized testing did a pretty good job of scoring their academic talent.

    They’re not anecdotes, they are facts.

    And in saying that “standardized testing did a pretty good job …” you are making an assertion of what has to be proved, namely that IQ tests (I presume by standardized testing you mean IQ tests) do a better job than old fashioned achievement tests.

    But do they?

    You cite no evidence.

    According to Charles Murray:

    In theory, the SAT and the achievement tests measure different things. In the College Board’s own words from its website, “The SAT measures students’ verbal reasoning, critical reading, and skills,” while the achievement tests “show colleges their mastery of specific subjects.” In practice, SAT and achievement test scores are so highly correlated that SAT scores tell the admissions office little that it does not learn from the achievement test scores alone.

    The fact is that neither academic achievement tests nor SAT tests do a good job of predicting university performance, which is determined largely by motivation.

    But like other IQ-ists you seem unable to grasp that IQ/SAT tests don’t measure every aspect of intelligence or even, as some would say, the most important, that being, according to Albert Einstein, imagination. Einstein did relatively poorly at Zurich’s ETH, where he was denied entry to graduate school, hence his job at the patent office. But Einstein did have imagination, which an IQ-ist has to dismiss as of no significance since he has no way of measuring it. Likewise, he has no way of measuring judgement, wit, or many other traits that contribute to any comprehensive assessment of intelligence.

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    You seem to have forgotten that the universities started using the SAT and ACT because the high school grades were so useless as a way to determine admissions - especially to the most competitive campuses. The reason why they are going away from standardized tests is not because they are not doing what they are supposed to do - that is predict who is likely to succeed in their freshman year of college but because they do the job all too well and shine on a light on how deficient many of the affirmative action admits are. In other words, we are getting rid of the SATs because they work and get in the way of diversity.

    As for your silly anecdotes, I keep talking about averages and you keep bringing up silly examples like Einstein. Do you not see how stupid it is to bring up one person when talking about the entire population? How many valedictorians from minority high schools that started out as physics, mathematics, or even pre-med majors at an Ivy League or flagship state campus downgraded their major to sociology or victim studies. I bet for every Einstein there were hundreds (if not thousands) of AA downgrades.

    As for those other parameters you mention, NOBODY can measure them so barking about them makes no sense. You can only determine those after years of a person's life and we don't have 10 years of serious academic history for every person to determine if they should be admitted to college. High school is not serious academics. So we have to use the best available tools we have.

    I don't get your point when it comes to achievement testing? I took the SAT and achievement tests at the same time and consider them to be one and the same. Are you trying to say that some people score extremely well on the achievement tests and so poorly on the general SAT that they don't get in college? The admissions people look at both of them. I am sure that if somebody scored 800 on the SAT math and 800 on the achievement math that the admissions people would overlook a 500 English so I don't see that there is an issue here. I am not sure what your point is because if there was no SAT and only the achievement tests, the AA admits who are deficient would still show themselves to be deficient via the achievement tests. In addition, the English achievement test is usually a required test by most (if not all) maj0r universities.

    The fact is that neither academic achievement tests nor SAT tests do a good job of predicting university performance, which is determined largely by motivation.

    And you know this how? Oh that's right, you asserted it, so it must be true. The SATs and achievement tests do a very good job of matching a student with his peers. It doesn't matter how much "motivation" somebody has if he isn't as smart as everybody else in the class. He will likely realize that no matter how much time he spends on the subject, he just cannot keep up (unless it is at places like Ivy's or Stanford where everybody gets an A). This is why you have so many downgraded majors - especially in the AA crowd.

    All the motivation in the world could not make Bill Gates a mathematician. He realized that at Harvard when as bright as he was in high school (and he was no slouch) he was in classes with guys who could talk to the professor at the professor's level. So he became a programmer.
    , @MarkinLA
    In practice, SAT and achievement test scores are so highly correlated that SAT

    Of course they are because they are both timed so intelligence is a big part of how people score. Intelligence is not a measure of what you know it is a measure of how fast you can come up with the answer. Since both tests are timed, smarter people will generally come up with more answers given the time to go through the questions since there is a mixture of simple questions and complex ones where you have to draw conclusions from the stated facts.
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  • @CanSpeccy

    Do you have any better measurable parameters for success?
     
    I mentioned three physics Nobel Prize winners who didn't make the grade based on IQ. You don't consider a Nobel Prize in physics a measure of success?

    Three anecdotes invalidates the millions of people where standardized testing did a pretty good job of scoring their academic talent. You people don’t seem to get it that just because something isn’t perfect doesn’t mean that it has no value.

    Previous academic performance, huh? You mean as in all those affirmative action scholars at Ivy league schools who end up with sociology or black studies degrees? Many were “valedictorians” at their school.

    Funny that you think previous academic success (especially in High school) is better than the SAT.

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    Three anecdotes invalidates invalidates the millions of people where standardized testing did a pretty good job of scoring their academic talent.
     
    They're not anecdotes, they are facts.

    And in saying that "standardized testing did a pretty good job ..." you are making an assertion of what has to be proved, namely that IQ tests (I presume by standardized testing you mean IQ tests) do a better job than old fashioned achievement tests.

    But do they?

    You cite no evidence.

    According to Charles Murray:


    In theory, the SAT and the achievement tests measure different things. In the College Board’s own words from its website, “The SAT measures students’ verbal reasoning, critical reading, and skills,” while the achievement tests “show colleges their mastery of specific subjects.” In practice, SAT and achievement test scores are so highly correlated that SAT scores tell the admissions office little that it does not learn from the achievement test scores alone.
     
    The fact is that neither academic achievement tests nor SAT tests do a good job of predicting university performance, which is determined largely by motivation.

    But like other IQ-ists you seem unable to grasp that IQ/SAT tests don't measure every aspect of intelligence or even, as some would say, the most important, that being, according to Albert Einstein, imagination. Einstein did relatively poorly at Zurich's ETH, where he was denied entry to graduate school, hence his job at the patent office. But Einstein did have imagination, which an IQ-ist has to dismiss as of no significance since he has no way of measuring it. Likewise, he has no way of measuring judgement, wit, or many other traits that contribute to any comprehensive assessment of intelligence.

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  • @utu
    IQ-ism is among the most dangerous, stupid and implausible fields of bogus science yet devised.

    It is a very toxic idea that requires a significant level of intellectual effort to refute it. That's why people who are less intellectually gifted and less intellectually honest to adhere to strict rigors of scientific discovery process are more likely to be seduced by it.

    It is a very toxic idea that requires a significant level of intellectual effort to refute it.

    Public misunderstanding about intelligence and IQ results largely if not entirely from the way psychologists have redefined intelligence to conform with what they can measure. They have incorporated the lamppost fallacy in their understanding of intelligence, and it is from that, I believe, that all the toxic consequences follow. I have attempted to explain more fully in a comment under James Thompson’s latest post.

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    While listening to Jordan Peterson that you linked to it occurred to me there would be no jobs for people like him or Charles Murray or Jensen or Lynn if we lived in a society with high degree of ethnic and cultural homogeneity. It all began when English gentlemen and French entrepreneurs came up with the get rich quick schemes of growing sugar cane, tobacco, cotton and coffee by bringing black slaves to the New World.
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  • utu says:
    @CanSpeccy

    There is no aggrandizement of IQ testing, it is just the best tool we have for predicting people’s likelihood of succeeding in intellectual pursuits.
     
    Not a very good tool, judging by Richard Feynman's score of 125, and the fact that in selecting young geniuses for long-term study, Terman managed to screen out the only Nobel Prize winners among the candidates: Shockley and Alvarez (both in the supposedly high IQ field of physics).

    IQist believe that intelligence is a unitary property of mind, which is obvious bunk. Look at the correlation coefficients among sub-tests of the WAIS etc. They average about 0.3, i.e., on average, variation in score on any one sub-test accounts for less than 10% (r squared) of the variation in any other sub-test.

    And IQ tests don't even attempt to measure judgement or imagination: not necessary for success in intellectual pursuits being the assumption, I suppose.

    Disproof of the reality of g, general intelligence, is available to anyone willing to wear a blindfold for a week or two. They will find their hearing and kinesthetic senses enhanced as their idle visual cortex is put to other uses. Savant genius is almost certainly the result of similar but much more massive reassignment of neural resources: hence the coexistence of genius in a restricted realm with general mental deficiency. Less extreme imbalance is evident in many, perhaps most, cases of real genius.

    IQ-ism is among the most dangerous, stupid and implausible fields of bogus science yet devised.

    IQ-ism is among the most dangerous, stupid and implausible fields of bogus science yet devised.

    It is a very toxic idea that requires a significant level of intellectual effort to refute it. That’s why people who are less intellectually gifted and less intellectually honest to adhere to strict rigors of scientific discovery process are more likely to be seduced by it.

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    It is a very toxic idea that requires a significant level of intellectual effort to refute it.
     
    Public misunderstanding about intelligence and IQ results largely if not entirely from the way psychologists have redefined intelligence to conform with what they can measure. They have incorporated the lamppost fallacy in their understanding of intelligence, and it is from that, I believe, that all the toxic consequences follow. I have attempted to explain more fully in a comment under James Thompson's latest post.
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  • @Sean
    In his book Exodus development economist Paul Collier notes that when it comes to whether the host population (non immigrants) in the host counties are made more or less prosperous by immigration "economists think that it is invalid even to pose the question, let alone to try to answer it".

    Economists operate with a global utility perspective and are fascinated by the gain in productivity of third worlders moving to the West, but when using national economy analysis the outcome is believed to be positive for the host economy. Also, effect on third world counties of their most intelligent people migrating is not believed to be bad. Collier disagrees, but he still does not believe intelegence and achivement are hereditary in a DNA sense.

    Read this please

    http://www.molecularecologist.com/2017/07/nprs-muddled-take-on-scientific-racism-and-direct-to-consumer-genetics/ the post, in which biological anthropologist Barbara King reviews the new book Is Science Racist by anthropologist Jonathan Marks, starts off with a premise that took me aback:
    “If you espouse creationist ideas in science [Marks writes] you are branded as an ideologue… But if you espouse racist ideas in science, that’s not quite so bad. People might look at you a little askance, but as a racist you can coexist in science alongside them, which you couldn’t do if you were a creationist. Science is racist when it permits scientists who advance racist ideas to exist and to thrive institutionally.” This is a strong set of claims, and Marks uses numerous examples to support them. For example, a 2014 book by science writer Nicholas Wade used genes and race to explain, as Michael Balter put it in Science magazine, “why some people live in tribal societies and some in advanced civilizations, why African-Americans are allegedly more violent than whites, and why the Chinese may be good at business.”
    [T]he first example of racist science is Nicholas Wade, who is … not actually a scientist. And whose 2014 book inspired a panel of 139 evolutionary geneticists (many of them who did research Wade cited in the book) to sign a letter to the New York Times saying that Wade was wrong That was after the book racked up blistering takedowns, pans, criticism, denunciation, elaborate multi-part debunkings, and condemnations from people who actually work with the kind of data Wade cited — including right here on this very blog. This is science “permitting scientists who advance racist ideas to exist and to thrive institutionally”?

    (The other example the blog post gives of a racist scientist tolerated by the mainstream, psychologist Phillipe Rushton, I have literally only ever heard about in the context of condemnations of his theories on racial differences in intelligence.)
     
    The above post was made by someone who is a qualified scientist and understands more about genetics then anyone currently on Unz has forgotten. EG: -http://www.molecularecologist.com/2015/02/bigger-on-the-inside/

    He is not at all unusual, there is literally no active biological scientist who endorses a view of average potential intelligence differing between groups such as nations because it is genetically limited, . This post is very deceptive if it implies otherwise.

    Joe Sobran once wrote that "the hive-like moral conformity of the intellectuals is among the wonders of the modern world". http://www.sobran.com/hive/hive.shtml
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  • @Anonymous
    It's a culture fair test and you obviously didn't read the page.

    would likely survive in the jungle a lot longer than you
     
    That's probably true. You're clearly winning this battle of wits...

    Ha! “wits” that’s a good word for brains.

    It conjures up so much more of what we really understand by intelligence than a pathetic verbal/math IQ test score.

    It makes one think of real geniuses like Shakespeare, Sam Johnson, and Mark Twain and of John Dryden’s line:

    “Great wits are sure to madness near allied, and thin partitions do their bounds divide.”

    How absurd all of them would have considered the obsession with IQ test scores unrelated to knowledge, sagacity, humor or imagination.

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  • A Feminist Proposal.

    Some people want open borders and some closed. Say yes to both. The answer is simple: open borders for female immigration only, closed borders for male. Look at the advantages!
    - Less crime; women commit less crime.
    - Less terrorism; women commit less terrorism.
    - More sisterhood.
    - More cool female scientists as in Hidden Figures.
    - Great for the economy, cheap workers and a whole lot more shopping!
    - Foreign women can easily and permanently escape abusive partners!
    - Lots more women to go into STEM, the US Marines, garbage collection and other areas needing diversity.

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  • @CanSpeccy
    "Culture-free IQ test."

    Where's the evidence that that particular test is culture free?

    In fact, it obviously not.

    My grand-daughter does stuff like this on Nana's iPad. Does some kid from Guatamala have the same opportunity to play such games?

    To someone straight from the jungle, such a test would be surely be meaningless, yet that person would likely survive in the jungle a lot longer than you.

    It’s a culture fair test and you obviously didn’t read the page.

    would likely survive in the jungle a lot longer than you

    That’s probably true. You’re clearly winning this battle of wits…

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    Ha! "wits" that's a good word for brains.

    It conjures up so much more of what we really understand by intelligence than a pathetic verbal/math IQ test score.

    It makes one think of real geniuses like Shakespeare, Sam Johnson, and Mark Twain and of John Dryden's line:

    “Great wits are sure to madness near allied, and thin partitions do their bounds divide.”

    How absurd all of them would have considered the obsession with IQ test scores unrelated to knowledge, sagacity, humor or imagination.

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  • @Anonymous
    Here you go - a Culture Fair IQ Test suitable for every cultural backgorund:

    https://iq-research.info/en

    “Culture-free IQ test.”

    Where’s the evidence that that particular test is culture free?

    In fact, it obviously not.

    My grand-daughter does stuff like this on Nana’s iPad. Does some kid from Guatamala have the same opportunity to play such games?

    To someone straight from the jungle, such a test would be surely be meaningless, yet that person would likely survive in the jungle a lot longer than you.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It's a culture fair test and you obviously didn't read the page.

    would likely survive in the jungle a lot longer than you
     
    That's probably true. You're clearly winning this battle of wits...
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  • @CanSpeccy

    Also, Nobel Prizes are both political (not just the Peace Prize) and extremely imprecise in showing the capability of any single person. Maybe the 125 IQ (which is pretty good) guy won because he didn’t have a girlfriend
     
    That's Richard Feynman your talking about. I doubt if he was for very long short of a girl friend. He was also perhaps America's greatest native-born theoretical physicist.

    As for the other two, the one's not bright enough for Terman's study of gifted individuals, Shockley was responsible for the development of the transistor, surely the most transformative technological development of the 20th century.

    As for the other guy, apparently his work led to the discovery of many elementary particles, which physicists probably think was quite important.

    What is fascinating about your response is the IQists totally blinkered understanding of intelligence. Apparently, it is some mystical unitary thing that is supposed to be measured with a battery of math and verbal tests, the results of which are not only poorly correlated one with another but which are highly dependent on cultural background, socio-economic status, and coaching, and which ignore a vast array of central nervous system properties which are at the root of most human genius.

    In particular, IQists do not even pretend that their tests measure imagination, judgement, or the less traditionally academic abilities such as the hand-eye coordination of the surgeon and the artist, or the hand-ear coordination of the virtuoso violinist.

    Here you go – a Culture Fair IQ Test suitable for every cultural backgorund:

    https://iq-research.info/en

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    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    "Culture-free IQ test."

    Where's the evidence that that particular test is culture free?

    In fact, it obviously not.

    My grand-daughter does stuff like this on Nana's iPad. Does some kid from Guatamala have the same opportunity to play such games?

    To someone straight from the jungle, such a test would be surely be meaningless, yet that person would likely survive in the jungle a lot longer than you.
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  • @Anonymous

    Using IQ to keep people out of the US will have the same effects as using the SAT for keeping people out of college. It will mean that for every person who could have excelled at college but didn’t test well 1000 who should have been kept out of college were rightfully rejected. You do understand that we are talking about the average person, not one cherry picked example.

    I would rather we keep both the 1000 and the 1 out of the US rather than let in the 1000 and the 1, given the costs to society of the 1000.
     
    Perfect analogy. Well said.

    Also, Nobel Prizes are both political (not just the Peace Prize) and extremely imprecise in showing the capability of any single person. Maybe the 125 IQ (which is pretty good) guy won because he didn’t have a girlfriend

    That’s Richard Feynman your talking about. I doubt if he was for very long short of a girl friend. He was also perhaps America’s greatest native-born theoretical physicist.

    As for the other two, the one’s not bright enough for Terman’s study of gifted individuals, Shockley was responsible for the development of the transistor, surely the most transformative technological development of the 20th century.

    As for the other guy, apparently his work led to the discovery of many elementary particles, which physicists probably think was quite important.

    What is fascinating about your response is the IQists totally blinkered understanding of intelligence. Apparently, it is some mystical unitary thing that is supposed to be measured with a battery of math and verbal tests, the results of which are not only poorly correlated one with another but which are highly dependent on cultural background, socio-economic status, and coaching, and which ignore a vast array of central nervous system properties which are at the root of most human genius.

    In particular, IQists do not even pretend that their tests measure imagination, judgement, or the less traditionally academic abilities such as the hand-eye coordination of the surgeon and the artist, or the hand-ear coordination of the virtuoso violinist.

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    Here you go - a Culture Fair IQ Test suitable for every cultural backgorund:

    https://iq-research.info/en
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  • @Anonymous
    Well, wouldn't the previous academic performance reflect the IQ + interest + conscientiousness? I'm not surprised if that's a better predictor than raw IQ. The problem is that you can't accurately measure interest, conscientiousness or... imagination. What are you suggesting - that the Guatemalans (average IQ 79) should be imported if they did well in Guatemalan schools?

    Also, Nobel Prizes are both political (not just the Peace Prize) and extremely imprecise in showing the capability of any single person. Maybe the 125 IQ (which is pretty good) guy won because he didn't have a girlfriend or maybe he read the right paper at the right time. Who knows. The IQ is engine power and acceleration but the driver might be lazy and the race is happening in the forest anyway.

    What are you suggesting – that the Guatemalans (average IQ 79) should be imported if they did well in Guatemalan schools?

    I’m not suggesting you import any Guatamalans. What’s wrong with Americans? What’s with importing anyone? If so many Americans weren’t competed out of jobs by Guatamalans, etc., they’d more likely have a job, get married and have children, you know, like the next generation of Americans.

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  • @Anonymous
    Well, wouldn't the previous academic performance reflect the IQ + interest + conscientiousness? I'm not surprised if that's a better predictor than raw IQ. The problem is that you can't accurately measure interest, conscientiousness or... imagination. What are you suggesting - that the Guatemalans (average IQ 79) should be imported if they did well in Guatemalan schools?

    Also, Nobel Prizes are both political (not just the Peace Prize) and extremely imprecise in showing the capability of any single person. Maybe the 125 IQ (which is pretty good) guy won because he didn't have a girlfriend or maybe he read the right paper at the right time. Who knows. The IQ is engine power and acceleration but the driver might be lazy and the race is happening in the forest anyway.

    I’m not going to use annuities.

    MarkinLA demanded that I offer a measurable parameters for success? He didn’t think I did. But I did.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @MarkinLA
    Well you read the discredited Stephen Jay Gould, no wonder you don't make any sense. There is no aggrandizement of IQ testing, it is just the best tool we have for predicting people's likelihood of succeeding in intellectual pursuits. Nothing is perfect and we have plenty of opportunity in the US for people to prove the IQ test didn't work as well as we hoped in their case.

    Using IQ to keep people out of the US will have the same effects as using the SAT for keeping people out of college. It will mean that for every person who could have excelled at college but didn't test well 1000 who should have been kept out of college were rightfully rejected. You do understand that we are talking about the average person, not one cherry picked example.

    I would rather we keep both the 1000 and the 1 out of the US rather than let in the 1000 and the 1, given the costs to society of the 1000.

    By all means, if you have better parameters for predicting success, spit it out. We can't measure things like determination, conscientiousness, or integrity. And we especially can't measure them under stresses like an immigrant not being able to get the kind of job he wants.

    Using IQ to keep people out of the US will have the same effects as using the SAT for keeping people out of college. It will mean that for every person who could have excelled at college but didn’t test well 1000 who should have been kept out of college were rightfully rejected. You do understand that we are talking about the average person, not one cherry picked example.

    I would rather we keep both the 1000 and the 1 out of the US rather than let in the 1000 and the 1, given the costs to society of the 1000.

    Perfect analogy. Well said.

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    Also, Nobel Prizes are both political (not just the Peace Prize) and extremely imprecise in showing the capability of any single person. Maybe the 125 IQ (which is pretty good) guy won because he didn’t have a girlfriend
     
    That's Richard Feynman your talking about. I doubt if he was for very long short of a girl friend. He was also perhaps America's greatest native-born theoretical physicist.

    As for the other two, the one's not bright enough for Terman's study of gifted individuals, Shockley was responsible for the development of the transistor, surely the most transformative technological development of the 20th century.

    As for the other guy, apparently his work led to the discovery of many elementary particles, which physicists probably think was quite important.

    What is fascinating about your response is the IQists totally blinkered understanding of intelligence. Apparently, it is some mystical unitary thing that is supposed to be measured with a battery of math and verbal tests, the results of which are not only poorly correlated one with another but which are highly dependent on cultural background, socio-economic status, and coaching, and which ignore a vast array of central nervous system properties which are at the root of most human genius.

    In particular, IQists do not even pretend that their tests measure imagination, judgement, or the less traditionally academic abilities such as the hand-eye coordination of the surgeon and the artist, or the hand-ear coordination of the virtuoso violinist.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @CanSpeccy
    And I believe it is now generally accepted that previous academic performance is as good as, or better than, IQ in predicting university level performance, which is not surprising since the arts, at least, allow the expression of both judgement and imagination, neither of which are evaluated in an IQ test, although both are required in at least some academic fields.

    Well, wouldn’t the previous academic performance reflect the IQ + interest + conscientiousness? I’m not surprised if that’s a better predictor than raw IQ. The problem is that you can’t accurately measure interest, conscientiousness or… imagination. What are you suggesting – that the Guatemalans (average IQ 79) should be imported if they did well in Guatemalan schools?

    Also, Nobel Prizes are both political (not just the Peace Prize) and extremely imprecise in showing the capability of any single person. Maybe the 125 IQ (which is pretty good) guy won because he didn’t have a girlfriend or maybe he read the right paper at the right time. Who knows. The IQ is engine power and acceleration but the driver might be lazy and the race is happening in the forest anyway.

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    I’m not going to use annuities.
     
    MarkinLA demanded that I offer a measurable parameters for success? He didn't think I did. But I did.
    , @CanSpeccy

    What are you suggesting – that the Guatemalans (average IQ 79) should be imported if they did well in Guatemalan schools?
     
    I'm not suggesting you import any Guatamalans. What's wrong with Americans? What's with importing anyone? If so many Americans weren't competed out of jobs by Guatamalans, etc., they'd more likely have a job, get married and have children, you know, like the next generation of Americans.
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  • @CanSpeccy

    Do you have any better measurable parameters for success?
     
    I mentioned three physics Nobel Prize winners who didn't make the grade based on IQ. You don't consider a Nobel Prize in physics a measure of success?

    And I believe it is now generally accepted that previous academic performance is as good as, or better than, IQ in predicting university level performance, which is not surprising since the arts, at least, allow the expression of both judgement and imagination, neither of which are evaluated in an IQ test, although both are required in at least some academic fields.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Well, wouldn't the previous academic performance reflect the IQ + interest + conscientiousness? I'm not surprised if that's a better predictor than raw IQ. The problem is that you can't accurately measure interest, conscientiousness or... imagination. What are you suggesting - that the Guatemalans (average IQ 79) should be imported if they did well in Guatemalan schools?

    Also, Nobel Prizes are both political (not just the Peace Prize) and extremely imprecise in showing the capability of any single person. Maybe the 125 IQ (which is pretty good) guy won because he didn't have a girlfriend or maybe he read the right paper at the right time. Who knows. The IQ is engine power and acceleration but the driver might be lazy and the race is happening in the forest anyway.
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  • @MarkinLA
    Do you have any better measurable parameters for success? Didn't think so.

    Do you have any better measurable parameters for success?

    I mentioned three physics Nobel Prize winners who didn’t make the grade based on IQ. You don’t consider a Nobel Prize in physics a measure of success?

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    And I believe it is now generally accepted that previous academic performance is as good as, or better than, IQ in predicting university level performance, which is not surprising since the arts, at least, allow the expression of both judgement and imagination, neither of which are evaluated in an IQ test, although both are required in at least some academic fields.
    , @MarkinLA
    Three anecdotes invalidates the millions of people where standardized testing did a pretty good job of scoring their academic talent. You people don't seem to get it that just because something isn't perfect doesn't mean that it has no value.

    Previous academic performance, huh? You mean as in all those affirmative action scholars at Ivy league schools who end up with sociology or black studies degrees? Many were "valedictorians" at their school.

    Funny that you think previous academic success (especially in High school) is better than the SAT.

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  • @CanSpeccy

    There is no aggrandizement of IQ testing, it is just the best tool we have for predicting people’s likelihood of succeeding in intellectual pursuits.
     
    Not a very good tool, judging by Richard Feynman's score of 125, and the fact that in selecting young geniuses for long-term study, Terman managed to screen out the only Nobel Prize winners among the candidates: Shockley and Alvarez (both in the supposedly high IQ field of physics).

    IQist believe that intelligence is a unitary property of mind, which is obvious bunk. Look at the correlation coefficients among sub-tests of the WAIS etc. They average about 0.3, i.e., on average, variation in score on any one sub-test accounts for less than 10% (r squared) of the variation in any other sub-test.

    And IQ tests don't even attempt to measure judgement or imagination: not necessary for success in intellectual pursuits being the assumption, I suppose.

    Disproof of the reality of g, general intelligence, is available to anyone willing to wear a blindfold for a week or two. They will find their hearing and kinesthetic senses enhanced as their idle visual cortex is put to other uses. Savant genius is almost certainly the result of similar but much more massive reassignment of neural resources: hence the coexistence of genius in a restricted realm with general mental deficiency. Less extreme imbalance is evident in many, perhaps most, cases of real genius.

    IQ-ism is among the most dangerous, stupid and implausible fields of bogus science yet devised.

    Do you have any better measurable parameters for success? Didn’t think so.

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    Do you have any better measurable parameters for success?
     
    I mentioned three physics Nobel Prize winners who didn't make the grade based on IQ. You don't consider a Nobel Prize in physics a measure of success?
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  • @MarkinLA
    Well you read the discredited Stephen Jay Gould, no wonder you don't make any sense. There is no aggrandizement of IQ testing, it is just the best tool we have for predicting people's likelihood of succeeding in intellectual pursuits. Nothing is perfect and we have plenty of opportunity in the US for people to prove the IQ test didn't work as well as we hoped in their case.

    Using IQ to keep people out of the US will have the same effects as using the SAT for keeping people out of college. It will mean that for every person who could have excelled at college but didn't test well 1000 who should have been kept out of college were rightfully rejected. You do understand that we are talking about the average person, not one cherry picked example.

    I would rather we keep both the 1000 and the 1 out of the US rather than let in the 1000 and the 1, given the costs to society of the 1000.

    By all means, if you have better parameters for predicting success, spit it out. We can't measure things like determination, conscientiousness, or integrity. And we especially can't measure them under stresses like an immigrant not being able to get the kind of job he wants.

    There is no aggrandizement of IQ testing, it is just the best tool we have for predicting people’s likelihood of succeeding in intellectual pursuits.

    Not a very good tool, judging by Richard Feynman’s score of 125, and the fact that in selecting young geniuses for long-term study, Terman managed to screen out the only Nobel Prize winners among the candidates: Shockley and Alvarez (both in the supposedly high IQ field of physics).

    IQist believe that intelligence is a unitary property of mind, which is obvious bunk. Look at the correlation coefficients among sub-tests of the WAIS etc. They average about 0.3, i.e., on average, variation in score on any one sub-test accounts for less than 10% (r squared) of the variation in any other sub-test.

    And IQ tests don’t even attempt to measure judgement or imagination: not necessary for success in intellectual pursuits being the assumption, I suppose.

    Disproof of the reality of g, general intelligence, is available to anyone willing to wear a blindfold for a week or two. They will find their hearing and kinesthetic senses enhanced as their idle visual cortex is put to other uses. Savant genius is almost certainly the result of similar but much more massive reassignment of neural resources: hence the coexistence of genius in a restricted realm with general mental deficiency. Less extreme imbalance is evident in many, perhaps most, cases of real genius.

    IQ-ism is among the most dangerous, stupid and implausible fields of bogus science yet devised.

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    Do you have any better measurable parameters for success? Didn't think so.
    , @utu
    IQ-ism is among the most dangerous, stupid and implausible fields of bogus science yet devised.

    It is a very toxic idea that requires a significant level of intellectual effort to refute it. That's why people who are less intellectually gifted and less intellectually honest to adhere to strict rigors of scientific discovery process are more likely to be seduced by it.
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  • @SteveP
    Read Stephen Jay Gould's "The mismeasure of man" for a more informed review of problems caused by the unfounded aggrandizement of the IQ test for ranking purposes. IQ has its uses, but only as the most rudimentary starting point for comprehensive analysis.

    The above said, trying to use IQ as a method for keeping "undesirables" out of the country is deceptive and open to well-earned derision. However, keeping out individuals based upon intractable religious and cultural differences certainly has a valid point.

    Well you read the discredited Stephen Jay Gould, no wonder you don’t make any sense. There is no aggrandizement of IQ testing, it is just the best tool we have for predicting people’s likelihood of succeeding in intellectual pursuits. Nothing is perfect and we have plenty of opportunity in the US for people to prove the IQ test didn’t work as well as we hoped in their case.

    Using IQ to keep people out of the US will have the same effects as using the SAT for keeping people out of college. It will mean that for every person who could have excelled at college but didn’t test well 1000 who should have been kept out of college were rightfully rejected. You do understand that we are talking about the average person, not one cherry picked example.

    I would rather we keep both the 1000 and the 1 out of the US rather than let in the 1000 and the 1, given the costs to society of the 1000.

    By all means, if you have better parameters for predicting success, spit it out. We can’t measure things like determination, conscientiousness, or integrity. And we especially can’t measure them under stresses like an immigrant not being able to get the kind of job he wants.

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    There is no aggrandizement of IQ testing, it is just the best tool we have for predicting people’s likelihood of succeeding in intellectual pursuits.
     
    Not a very good tool, judging by Richard Feynman's score of 125, and the fact that in selecting young geniuses for long-term study, Terman managed to screen out the only Nobel Prize winners among the candidates: Shockley and Alvarez (both in the supposedly high IQ field of physics).

    IQist believe that intelligence is a unitary property of mind, which is obvious bunk. Look at the correlation coefficients among sub-tests of the WAIS etc. They average about 0.3, i.e., on average, variation in score on any one sub-test accounts for less than 10% (r squared) of the variation in any other sub-test.

    And IQ tests don't even attempt to measure judgement or imagination: not necessary for success in intellectual pursuits being the assumption, I suppose.

    Disproof of the reality of g, general intelligence, is available to anyone willing to wear a blindfold for a week or two. They will find their hearing and kinesthetic senses enhanced as their idle visual cortex is put to other uses. Savant genius is almost certainly the result of similar but much more massive reassignment of neural resources: hence the coexistence of genius in a restricted realm with general mental deficiency. Less extreme imbalance is evident in many, perhaps most, cases of real genius.

    IQ-ism is among the most dangerous, stupid and implausible fields of bogus science yet devised.

    , @Anonymous

    Using IQ to keep people out of the US will have the same effects as using the SAT for keeping people out of college. It will mean that for every person who could have excelled at college but didn’t test well 1000 who should have been kept out of college were rightfully rejected. You do understand that we are talking about the average person, not one cherry picked example.

    I would rather we keep both the 1000 and the 1 out of the US rather than let in the 1000 and the 1, given the costs to society of the 1000.
     
    Perfect analogy. Well said.
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  • @MarkinLA
    not as a ranking system for the social stratification of society.

    Nobody not even the most strident HBDer thinks this. Why do you people always resort to these exaggerations? However, there does need to be some way to try and determine what a person's innate talent is and how best to utilize it. Not only does it benefit society but it gives the individual a better chance at maximizing his earnings potential. If somebody scores at the very bottom of the portion of an IQ test that correlates with mathematical ability, why are we trying to get that kid to take Algebra, Geometry, and Trigonometry and get them into college?

    Right now we have IQ tests. If you think you have a better way to determine the potential of people then have at it and get very, very rich if you succeed.

    Read Stephen Jay Gould’s “The mismeasure of man” for a more informed review of problems caused by the unfounded aggrandizement of the IQ test for ranking purposes. IQ has its uses, but only as the most rudimentary starting point for comprehensive analysis.

    The above said, trying to use IQ as a method for keeping “undesirables” out of the country is deceptive and open to well-earned derision. However, keeping out individuals based upon intractable religious and cultural differences certainly has a valid point.

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    Well you read the discredited Stephen Jay Gould, no wonder you don't make any sense. There is no aggrandizement of IQ testing, it is just the best tool we have for predicting people's likelihood of succeeding in intellectual pursuits. Nothing is perfect and we have plenty of opportunity in the US for people to prove the IQ test didn't work as well as we hoped in their case.

    Using IQ to keep people out of the US will have the same effects as using the SAT for keeping people out of college. It will mean that for every person who could have excelled at college but didn't test well 1000 who should have been kept out of college were rightfully rejected. You do understand that we are talking about the average person, not one cherry picked example.

    I would rather we keep both the 1000 and the 1 out of the US rather than let in the 1000 and the 1, given the costs to society of the 1000.

    By all means, if you have better parameters for predicting success, spit it out. We can't measure things like determination, conscientiousness, or integrity. And we especially can't measure them under stresses like an immigrant not being able to get the kind of job he wants.
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  • @Anonymous
    Sounds like Anon is a Hindu just like his friend Thomm. Sorry son, but this is not your safe space.

    If you want to criticize another poster for not using his real name, why aren't you using yours Patel?

    Because i am not pretending to be somebody else. I also said he could use anon instead of a db cooper.

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  • @Anonymous
    Thomm and Anon are showing what it's like to have Indians be part of your society. Pure cancer.

    Indians are tribalistic and don't focus on building value. They would rather screw someone else over which is why they are always arguing everything and focusing on trying to trump up Indian accomplishments or tearing other groups down.

    Notice how Thomm keeps calling us White Nationals just because we are calling out hus Hindu Nationalism. Indians are the most SJW group out there.

    ‘us’ white nationalists? you are no white nationalist or even white.

    Stop pretending.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm
    Indian crime rates (like that of all Asians) are lower than white crime rates. Hillary Clinton is very white, y'know.

    Then again, a WN wigger like yourself can't understand concepts like percentages and proportions. That is why you keep reminding successful whites about how we need to keep you out of the better parts of society.

    Indian crime rates are only “low” because Indians do not report crime like we do in the west. Crimes against dalits are not counted as a crime, and people in India do not report crime as India is a corrupt country.

    In America, Indians do not do violent crime as Indians are a physically weak race and would probably get beat up by even the women of other races.

    Indians are big time scammed though and do a lot of white collar crime.

    Keep in kind that India is the rape capital of the world, you can see this by google rape ibdia and see how many stories come up. This is affirmed by how Indians view rape which is absolutely barbaric.

    Also Thomm, no one believes you are not an Indian you Hindu National. It is possible le you live in a close country like bangledesh or pakistan, you are definately of the same low iq brown skinned type.

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  • @Thomm
    Indian crime rates (like that of all Asians) are lower than white crime rates. Hillary Clinton is very white, y'know.

    Then again, a WN wigger like yourself can't understand concepts like percentages and proportions. That is why you keep reminding successful whites about how we need to keep you out of the better parts of society.

    He is not white. He is using a white name to attack indians, so that indians attack whites in return.

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  • I see IQ analysis as subjective and not objective.What looks smart to some culture is
    absolutely stupid to others.Africans generally are more strategic(planning for the final show) as opposed to the “gifted race ” always planning the next move,and next move towards a disastrous ending.

    If your very high IQ gives you the ability to destroy,massacre and plunder other people’s resources,culture and civilization; If your very high IQ allows you to kill 100 million humans in two world wars; If your very high IQ allows you to pollute and destroy the earth that you yourself live in; If your very high IQ allows you equate same sex marriages with traditional ones;and finally, If your very high IQ gives you the supreme technology to manufacture nuclear weapons and completely destroy each others with..

    Then,as an African,in the final end, I will be a proud human with my low IQ.

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  • @KenH

    I am not an Indian, you faggot.
     
    Stuff a sock in it. Don't blame me for unpleasant facts about Indians and India. The fact that you're so laser focused on Indians betrays your racial identity.

    I am sick of wigger whites/WNs trying to appropriate the accomplishments of talented whites.
     
    Yet it's ok for you to appropriate the accomplishments of Indians and take pride in and extol their supposed virtues in America. Thomm = ignoramus and hypocrite.

    Still no answer on why India, with all its supposed brainpower, can't lift itself out of 4th world status other than to attack white nationalism just as I said. You are so predictable.

    At least the others had the courage to admit they were Indians after I dragged it out of them. They were better men than you.

    Still no answer on why India, with all its supposed brainpower, can’t lift itself out of 4th world status

    For the same reason that Ukraine and Moldova can’t (both of which are just as poor as India in per capita GDP). Got it?

    Plus, we are talking about the USA, where Indians are the highest-income group of all. That is why I admire them. Your brain is too limited to think about why they do well here, even if their home country is poor (for now).

    Oh, and I am still not Indian, and you are still a faggot. Don’t blame others for the fact that you are a stupid faggot; that is what your boyfriend is for.

    Heh heh heh heh

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  • @DB Cooper
    Google "indian fraudsters in usa" and see the list. Here is one just got busted:

    San Jose Businesswoman Pleads Guilty To Tech Worker Visa Fraud
    Defendant Submitted False Contracts, Forged Signatures of Cisco Employees to Federal Government In Scheme to Obtain H-1B Visas Under False Pretenses
    SAN JOSE, CA - A San Jose businesswoman pleaded guilty in federal court today to three counts of visa fraud, announced U.S. Attorney Brian J. Stretch Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) Special Agent in Charge Ryan L. Spradlin.  The guilty plea was accepted by the Honorable Lucy H. Koh, U.S. District Judge.
    In pleading guilty, Sridevi Aiyaswamy, 50, of San Jose, admitted that between April 2010 and June 2013 she made numerous false statements, and submitted over 25 fraudulent documents, to the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) for the purpose of obtaining H-1B non-immigrant classifications for skilled foreign workers.  Acting as a petitioner on behalf of foreign worker beneficiaries, Aiyaswamy falsely represented in I-129 petitions that the foreign worker beneficiaries would be working at Cisco, an information technology and networking company in San Jose, Calif.  Aiayswamy further submitted counterfeit statements of work with forged signatures as back-up documentation to the I-129 petitions.  In fact, at the time she submitted these documents to USCIS, Aiyaswamy knew that the statements regarding offers of work from Cisco for these beneficiaries were false statements, and that Cisco had not made any offers of employment regarding these individuals.   
    A federal grand jury indicted Aiyaswamy on December 3, 2015, charging her with 34 counts of visa fraud, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1546(a).  Pursuant to today’s pea agreement, Aiyaswamy pleaded guilty to three of the counts of visa fraud and the government agreed to request dismissal of the remaining counts.  
    Aiyaswamy is currently free on bond.  Judge Koh scheduled her sentencing for November 15, 2017, at 9:15 a.m.  The maximum statutory penalty for visa fraud is 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.  However, any sentence following conviction will be imposed by the court only after consideration of the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and the federal statute governing the imposition of a sentence, 18 U.S.C. § 3553. 


    Reference : http://techinsurgent.com/post/2017/07/23/Another-Slumdog-Slave-Trader-Gets-Busted1.aspx

    Indian crime rates (like that of all Asians) are lower than white crime rates. Hillary Clinton is very white, y’know.

    Then again, a WN wigger like yourself can’t understand concepts like percentages and proportions. That is why you keep reminding successful whites about how we need to keep you out of the better parts of society.

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    He is not white. He is using a white name to attack indians, so that indians attack whites in return.
    , @Anonymous
    Indian crime rates are only "low" because Indians do not report crime like we do in the west. Crimes against dalits are not counted as a crime, and people in India do not report crime as India is a corrupt country.

    In America, Indians do not do violent crime as Indians are a physically weak race and would probably get beat up by even the women of other races.

    Indians are big time scammed though and do a lot of white collar crime.

    Keep in kind that India is the rape capital of the world, you can see this by google rape ibdia and see how many stories come up. This is affirmed by how Indians view rape which is absolutely barbaric.

    Also Thomm, no one believes you are not an Indian you Hindu National. It is possible le you live in a close country like bangledesh or pakistan, you are definately of the same low iq brown skinned type.
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  • Lin says:
    @DB Cooper
    "Again, the CEOs of Microsoft, Google, Adobe, Sandisk, Arista Networks, Mastercard, NetApp, and recently Citigroup and US Airways, were all Indian. "

    Indians like to brag about how many managerial positions are held by Indians, how they are the top tier in terms of income earning in the US...etc. Other than that there is not much for Indians to show for it. There should be a study done to see why Indians held so many managerial jobs in big companies.

    When I was in college there were a lot of Indian professors in the engineering and computer science department so I was then under the impression that Indians are smart. But looking at the studies available it is clear that Indians on average have a pretty low IQ. Granted if you have a billion people there are bound to be some very smart people. And these smart people are the ones that occupies professorships in STEM fields.

    Studies from different sources are pretty consistent that point to the fact that Indians have pretty low IQ on average. Whether these are from IQ surveys, PISA test, IMO results, top tier programming contest...etc.

    The most common form of Indian nationalism is hindu nationalism. And ‘hinduism’ is basically segregation/caste system that aims to keep the upper castes/Brahmins in elevated position. You’re a dalit sewage ‘diver’? Well, too bad, you had done evil in your previous lives, so here you’re reincarnated into ‘untouchable’ misery. It’s called ‘dharmic spirituality’. Whatever good for the Brahmins/upper-castes would be considered good for the Indians, and without doubt, India is probably the most elitist country on Earth. Since the brown Aryan Brahmins always consider themselves sun tanned cousins of white Aryans and America is a wealthy country, so the majority of the more educated Brahmins want to immigrate to US(IT work is a good route), even it’s obviously ‘Brain Drain’ detrimental to the well being of India and the average Indians.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQgwVqKkNagqFWl-MnDHrYJtGHY-G7Y7ORPk_PgpPhsLPRuCVo2

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  • @SteveP
    Much of what passes as "IQ" is culturally determined. A good example is that immigrant Jews to the USA were routinely excluded from military service during WWI due to their low IQ test scores. As time passed, many members of this "dullard" group went on to achieve much better than average results in letters, arts, science, and life in general. Alfred Binet originally developed the IQ test to identify areas where further education was required, not as a ranking system for the social stratification of society.

    not as a ranking system for the social stratification of society.

    Nobody not even the most strident HBDer thinks this. Why do you people always resort to these exaggerations? However, there does need to be some way to try and determine what a person’s innate talent is and how best to utilize it. Not only does it benefit society but it gives the individual a better chance at maximizing his earnings potential. If somebody scores at the very bottom of the portion of an IQ test that correlates with mathematical ability, why are we trying to get that kid to take Algebra, Geometry, and Trigonometry and get them into college?

    Right now we have IQ tests. If you think you have a better way to determine the potential of people then have at it and get very, very rich if you succeed.

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    Read Stephen Jay Gould's "The mismeasure of man" for a more informed review of problems caused by the unfounded aggrandizement of the IQ test for ranking purposes. IQ has its uses, but only as the most rudimentary starting point for comprehensive analysis.

    The above said, trying to use IQ as a method for keeping "undesirables" out of the country is deceptive and open to well-earned derision. However, keeping out individuals based upon intractable religious and cultural differences certainly has a valid point.
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  • @Anonymous
    Thomm and Anon are showing what it's like to have Indians be part of your society. Pure cancer.

    Indians are tribalistic and don't focus on building value. They would rather screw someone else over which is why they are always arguing everything and focusing on trying to trump up Indian accomplishments or tearing other groups down.

    Notice how Thomm keeps calling us White Nationals just because we are calling out hus Hindu Nationalism. Indians are the most SJW group out there.

    Google “indian fraudsters in usa” and see the list. Here is one just got busted:

    San Jose Businesswoman Pleads Guilty To Tech Worker Visa Fraud
    Defendant Submitted False Contracts, Forged Signatures of Cisco Employees to Federal Government In Scheme to Obtain H-1B Visas Under False Pretenses
    SAN JOSE, CA – A San Jose businesswoman pleaded guilty in federal court today to three counts of visa fraud, announced U.S. Attorney Brian J. Stretch Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) Special Agent in Charge Ryan L. Spradlin.  The guilty plea was accepted by the Honorable Lucy H. Koh, U.S. District Judge.
    In pleading guilty, Sridevi Aiyaswamy, 50, of San Jose, admitted that between April 2010 and June 2013 she made numerous false statements, and submitted over 25 fraudulent documents, to the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) for the purpose of obtaining H-1B non-immigrant classifications for skilled foreign workers.  Acting as a petitioner on behalf of foreign worker beneficiaries, Aiyaswamy falsely represented in I-129 petitions that the foreign worker beneficiaries would be working at Cisco, an information technology and networking company in San Jose, Calif.  Aiayswamy further submitted counterfeit statements of work with forged signatures as back-up documentation to the I-129 petitions.  In fact, at the time she submitted these documents to USCIS, Aiyaswamy knew that the statements regarding offers of work from Cisco for these beneficiaries were false statements, and that Cisco had not made any offers of employment regarding these individuals.   
    A federal grand jury indicted Aiyaswamy on December 3, 2015, charging her with 34 counts of visa fraud, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1546(a).  Pursuant to today’s pea agreement, Aiyaswamy pleaded guilty to three of the counts of visa fraud and the government agreed to request dismissal of the remaining counts.  
    Aiyaswamy is currently free on bond.  Judge Koh scheduled her sentencing for November 15, 2017, at 9:15 a.m.  The maximum statutory penalty for visa fraud is 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.  However, any sentence following conviction will be imposed by the court only after consideration of the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and the federal statute governing the imposition of a sentence, 18 U.S.C. § 3553. 

    Reference : http://techinsurgent.com/post/2017/07/23/Another-Slumdog-Slave-Trader-Gets-Busted1.aspx

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    Indian crime rates (like that of all Asians) are lower than white crime rates. Hillary Clinton is very white, y'know.

    Then again, a WN wigger like yourself can't understand concepts like percentages and proportions. That is why you keep reminding successful whites about how we need to keep you out of the better parts of society.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Thomm and Anon are showing what it’s like to have Indians be part of your society. Pure cancer.

    Indians are tribalistic and don’t focus on building value. They would rather screw someone else over which is why they are always arguing everything and focusing on trying to trump up Indian accomplishments or tearing other groups down.

    Notice how Thomm keeps calling us White Nationals just because we are calling out hus Hindu Nationalism. Indians are the most SJW group out there.

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    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    Google "indian fraudsters in usa" and see the list. Here is one just got busted:

    San Jose Businesswoman Pleads Guilty To Tech Worker Visa Fraud
    Defendant Submitted False Contracts, Forged Signatures of Cisco Employees to Federal Government In Scheme to Obtain H-1B Visas Under False Pretenses
    SAN JOSE, CA - A San Jose businesswoman pleaded guilty in federal court today to three counts of visa fraud, announced U.S. Attorney Brian J. Stretch Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) Special Agent in Charge Ryan L. Spradlin.  The guilty plea was accepted by the Honorable Lucy H. Koh, U.S. District Judge.
    In pleading guilty, Sridevi Aiyaswamy, 50, of San Jose, admitted that between April 2010 and June 2013 she made numerous false statements, and submitted over 25 fraudulent documents, to the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) for the purpose of obtaining H-1B non-immigrant classifications for skilled foreign workers.  Acting as a petitioner on behalf of foreign worker beneficiaries, Aiyaswamy falsely represented in I-129 petitions that the foreign worker beneficiaries would be working at Cisco, an information technology and networking company in San Jose, Calif.  Aiayswamy further submitted counterfeit statements of work with forged signatures as back-up documentation to the I-129 petitions.  In fact, at the time she submitted these documents to USCIS, Aiyaswamy knew that the statements regarding offers of work from Cisco for these beneficiaries were false statements, and that Cisco had not made any offers of employment regarding these individuals.   
    A federal grand jury indicted Aiyaswamy on December 3, 2015, charging her with 34 counts of visa fraud, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1546(a).  Pursuant to today’s pea agreement, Aiyaswamy pleaded guilty to three of the counts of visa fraud and the government agreed to request dismissal of the remaining counts.  
    Aiyaswamy is currently free on bond.  Judge Koh scheduled her sentencing for November 15, 2017, at 9:15 a.m.  The maximum statutory penalty for visa fraud is 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.  However, any sentence following conviction will be imposed by the court only after consideration of the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and the federal statute governing the imposition of a sentence, 18 U.S.C. § 3553. 


    Reference : http://techinsurgent.com/post/2017/07/23/Another-Slumdog-Slave-Trader-Gets-Busted1.aspx

    , @Anon
    'us' white nationalists? you are no white nationalist or even white.

    Stop pretending.
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  • Much of what passes as “IQ” is culturally determined. A good example is that immigrant Jews to the USA were routinely excluded from military service during WWI due to their low IQ test scores. As time passed, many members of this “dullard” group went on to achieve much better than average results in letters, arts, science, and life in general. Alfred Binet originally developed the IQ test to identify areas where further education was required, not as a ranking system for the social stratification of society.

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    not as a ranking system for the social stratification of society.

    Nobody not even the most strident HBDer thinks this. Why do you people always resort to these exaggerations? However, there does need to be some way to try and determine what a person's innate talent is and how best to utilize it. Not only does it benefit society but it gives the individual a better chance at maximizing his earnings potential. If somebody scores at the very bottom of the portion of an IQ test that correlates with mathematical ability, why are we trying to get that kid to take Algebra, Geometry, and Trigonometry and get them into college?

    Right now we have IQ tests. If you think you have a better way to determine the potential of people then have at it and get very, very rich if you succeed.
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  • @CanSpeccy
    This will may amuse you if you have not seen it: Ken Robinson talking about the social (school) environment in the development of the imagination:

    Do Schools Kill Creativity

    and

    Bring on the Learning Revolution

    Thanks. I will check it out.

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  • @Daniel Chieh

    America did not need Indians to dominate in the software space.

     

    Its easy to say that, but do we know this for certain? The appropriate biological metaphor is the Red Queen where all of the relevant players have to keep running in order to keep up. Even with a first mover advantage, if US companies denied themselves or were denied from using cheap labor, what if another Western European country with similar IQ did? Germany? The UK? I'm familiar enough with the Silicon Valley to say that companies that didn't play these stupid cost games often ended up being killed.

    Wal-mart, for example, proved to be an overwhelming and hegemonic retail presence through its low-cost leadership, not only through Chinese imports but by abusing just about every single regulation, and even so, its a leader in its field.

    This is the heartless result of capitalism, which is very much a race to the bottom. I do not, in case you wonder, advocate this. But its worthwhile to note. It screws almost everyone, including Blair's "Native Born White American Majority Working Class" and once automation goes in full, perhaps every single living human being. And yet it will come to pass, because capitalism is the God That Exists.

    I don’t think the lack of hiring H-1Bs is what hurt companies in Silicon Valley. Mostly it was the plethora of me-too companies getting whinnied out and companies riding the internet boom providing little real value who ran out of money that caused most of the failures.

    Oracle, Intel, Apple, and Adobe to name a few were well established long before H-1Bs were prevalent. Silicon Valley’s business model is not based on low operating costs like most manufacturing companies.

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  • Actually, I would argue the case from personal experience.

    The strong the team the easier it is go get things done. When I was growing up in CO, the local kids were really not amenable to logic or any sort, being self-righteous and opinionated. Hopkins was better though the people were disagreeable, you could have some good talk.

    The Navy was spotty, but if you could make a case, your views worked when the really senior people were listen.

    Wall Street was a delight. One of my customers was the valedictorian of his Harvard class: I didn’t win all the time, but if you could make a case you had an effect.

    After 911, I revived my intelligence contacts, and making a case works: again when people have ‘skin in the game’, a good case works wonder.

    On the other hand where Uhuru rules the day, the outstanding are culled in the names of social peace.

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  • @songbird
    There are so many good stories to tell which would challenge the cultural status quo. It is unfortunate that so many of our storytellers are believers rather than iconoclasts.

    There are so many good stories to tell which would challenge the cultural status quo. It is unfortunate that so many of our storytellers are believers rather than iconoclasts.

    Sounds good on paper, but “message fiction” is nearly always objectionable. It’s tempting to write the next Nineteen Eighty-Four or Atlas Shrugged but the public appetite for such is amazingly small.

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  • @utu
    and Daniel Chieh

    More links:

    https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/so-what-gene

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/suzan-mazur/replace-the-modern-sythes_b_5284211.html

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3388793/

    all curtesy of RaceRealist88 (see his comments under Thompson's notes) who introduced us here to Ken Richardson.

    This will may amuse you if you have not seen it: Ken Robinson talking about the social (school) environment in the development of the imagination:

    Do Schools Kill Creativity

    and

    Bring on the Learning Revolution

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    Thanks. I will check it out.
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  • @Thomm
    I am not an Indian, you faggot. I said that before.

    But Indians are the highest-income ethnic group in the US, bar none. Higher than Jews, Chinese, Scandinavians, and English Americans. This has been true for a long time.

    Hence, they outperform you by a mile (remember that a white nationalist is to successful whites what a pygmy from the Congo is to Usain Bolt)..

    I am sick of wigger whites/WNs trying to appropriate the accomplishments of talented whites.

    I am not an Indian, you faggot.

    Stuff a sock in it. Don’t blame me for unpleasant facts about Indians and India. The fact that you’re so laser focused on Indians betrays your racial identity.

    I am sick of wigger whites/WNs trying to appropriate the accomplishments of talented whites.

    Yet it’s ok for you to appropriate the accomplishments of Indians and take pride in and extol their supposed virtues in America. Thomm = ignoramus and hypocrite.

    Still no answer on why India, with all its supposed brainpower, can’t lift itself out of 4th world status other than to attack white nationalism just as I said. You are so predictable.

    At least the others had the courage to admit they were Indians after I dragged it out of them. They were better men than you.

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    Still no answer on why India, with all its supposed brainpower, can’t lift itself out of 4th world status

    For the same reason that Ukraine and Moldova can't (both of which are just as poor as India in per capita GDP). Got it?

    Plus, we are talking about the USA, where Indians are the highest-income group of all. That is why I admire them. Your brain is too limited to think about why they do well here, even if their home country is poor (for now).

    Oh, and I am still not Indian, and you are still a faggot. Don't blame others for the fact that you are a stupid faggot; that is what your boyfriend is for.

    Heh heh heh heh

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  • @slorter
    And what did the intervention and bombing, exploitation, dislocation and playing one group of people of against another do for the people in third world countries invaded by the West and indeed empire?
    There is an old biblical saying "We reap what we sow"

    Less than you might think. China go raped as hard as India and Africa by European colonizers, then by their own warlords, then by the Japanese, then by the depredations of the Mao regime. But their population had what it took – cultural, genetic, whatever – to be resilient and build a high-functioning, modern nation within a couple of generations. Sub-Saharan Africa during the postcolonial era descended into the chaos of tribal rivalry it was during the precolonial era and shows little if any sign of coming out of it. India may be getting wealthier, but the legacy of the caste system is still barbaric and a drag on their ability to form a civil nation. The one area I can think of that supports your thesis is the Levant, the learned center and flower of Arabic culture that, thanks in large part to the west, has had its physical wealth destroyed, is under assault from the barbaric Wahhabism of the Arabian Peninsula, and will be dealing with the consequences for at least a generation.

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  • @songbird
    North Korea is an outlier, but of a special type. It had a puppet regime imposed upon it by an outside force. Its isolated terrain and IQ seem to have given it a kind of odd stabilty. But the regime was not created organically, just as none of the Warsaw Pact countries decided to become Communist, not even Czechoslovakia which had a relatively high level of atheism and which the Soviets thought was in the bag.

    A better counterexample would be China or the USSR, but those countries had certain hallmarks like low literacy, and Communism has always imposed itself by extreme violence. The USSR still managed to put the first satellite and man in space.

    Lenin, Stalin and Mao were probably clever. Smart ideologues are probably more dangerous than stupid ones. But average IQ of the populace matters. Elseways, it would perhaps be hard to explain why China is more developed than India, despite it being Communist and having less arable land. Though I suppose one could argue Deng, Hong Kong, or that more of its land is temperate.

    The USSR was a highly literate society and its scientific and technical education became among the top in the world. The priority given to education was one thing Stalin got right. The Mao regime waged a war on China’s educational system that came to a climax during the Cultural Revolution and it took decades for it to recover.

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