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  • @Seamus Padraig
    Yet still no investigation of Hellary? WTF is Trump smoking?

    Investigate Hillary? Oh please. Did you notice Kosher Barbie the other day pocketing $100m in Saudi cash? Still holding out hope that these people will drain the swamp?

    Let’s face it, Trump’s priority is keeping his own ass out of papa Kushner’s luxury jail cell. A more… forgiving climate at the top serves that priority; “locking her up” does not.

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  • @themann
    Anybody want to count the number of times that Authorial Asshat gratuitously insulted the South?

    Democrats are losing because they are trying to destroy southern whites in particular, and whites in general. And we are on to them.

    Yep, the hatred seeps between the lines. The guy just couldn’t help but spoil a decent article with venomous bigotry. Stuff like this: “a region that understands the relationship between master and slave.” Wow, bro! 1860 was a long time ago.

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  • When a working class individual votes for the modern Democrats (the real Democrat party died with JFK & the real Republican party died with Reagan), they are voting against their own rational self interest!!

    When they vote Democrat, they are voting for:

    >> Free Trade promotion of cheap labor, which transforms the working class into an underemployed consumer;

    >> Higher & higher government taxes/fines/fees/forfeitures/tolls to pay for an unsustainable welfare state, that you are not part of;

    >> Affirmative Action that takes away the ability to obtain a job based on merit;

    >> Accusations of White Privilege;

    >> Accusations that everything you achieved is through some type of misbegotten gains, that was somehow stolen from the Black man;

    >> The encouragement of Afro Americans to Hate Whitey (thats you!!, even if you are Hispanic or Asian);

    >> The encouragement of White Guilt, for acts that took place multiple generations before you were born, and one that most of our ancestors had nothing to do with;

    >> The forced acceptance of higher violent crime rates (with no sympathy for the victim);

    >> The reduction in your right to defend yourself (which todays overzealous, politically ambitious, District Attorney will prosecute you for);

    >> The taking away of your home through civil forfeiture, by being unable to afford the ever increasing property taxes;

    >> Gun Control: The constant threat to your 4th Amendment Rights, by the forced removal of your personal property (guns), without due process, for acts that you yourself did not commit.

    >> Attack on your religious liberties;

    >> An Education system that cares more about social engineering of your children, than the learning of math, science, literacy;

    >> Debt: liberals believe in saving resources for future generations, but they don’t apply it to money… they do not understand that money is suppose to represent something (labor or a commodity), and it is a limited resource (just like any other)… by giving ourselves free lunch benefits today without restrictions, we are going to use up these resources, and they will nothing left available for our children, and their children;

    >> The eventual bankruptcy of your country from catastrophic unsustainable debt levels (think of Venezuela, Haiti, Greece, Brazil, Argentina, Zimbabwe, Somalia, Cyprus, Cuba, Weimar Republic, or even present day Japan: none are the economic ideal, and one of them can be our future.

    THIS IS WHAT YOU ASKED FOR IF YOU VOTE FOR THE CURRENT DEMOCRAT POLITICIAN!!

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  • […] “Democrats in the Dead Zone” (St. Clair).  Inauthenticity.  The Dems doubled down on every single one of their standard mistakes in an almost robotic way. […]

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  • Jimmy Dore’s replay of Ossof’s political ad was priceless. Given the public’s disgust with the managed establishment narrative it couldn’t have been more out of touch.

    Trump took the working class vote and the democrats are still shitting all over them. Puting in this plastic phony chirping about how the key to understanding the economy is that things are “connected” – lol.

    Leg bone connected to the thigh bone, thigh bone connected to the hip bone. Hip bone connected to the back bone – everyone vote for me.

    You’re just calling the voters stupid.

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  • May 23, 2017 Seth Rich BOMBSHELLS Will Bring Hillary & Podesta To Their Knees — Bix Weir

    The Seth Rich bombshells that are being dropped now are earth shattering, and according to sources, there is absolute panic at the highest levels of the DNC in Washington.

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  • @Authenticjazzman
    " I think Authenticjazzman missed your point here"

    No I did not miss his point,I simply disagree with him, and with a tested IQ upwards of 150, there are not very many points which I could possibly "Miss".

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet, and pro jazz artist.

    Everyone stand up and applaud for we have a genius among up,or so he says…

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  • @The Scalpel
    "...with a tested IQ upwards of 150, there are not very many points which I could possibly “Miss"".


    I feel embarrassed for you. Maybe you have Asberger's syndrome.

    Indeed…..were it so would one prance around bragging about it?

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  • @nsa
    Every jooie trotskyite needs a second dacha on a lake.....

    Every Jewish Bolsheviki boss needed a nice dacha, but they changed hands at a dizzying pace once they turned on each other, and non-Jews also rose.

    I recommend to you, please read MIkhail Bulgakov’s The Master and Margarita, if you have not. it is almost certain that, in the published form, his wife made many interpolations, but they only make it better.

    If you are a reader, you will love it.

    I love many USSR relics, the other one I would to strongly recommend is the last major USSR SF film, Kin Dza Dza.

    It is very brilliant. It is also, in a way, prophecy.

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  • @jim jones
    Bernie Sanders & Wife Under FBI Investigation For Bank Fraud:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-24/bernie-sanders-wife-under-fbi-investigation-bank-fraud

    Yet still no investigation of Hellary? WTF is Trump smoking?

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    Investigate Hillary? Oh please. Did you notice Kosher Barbie the other day pocketing $100m in Saudi cash? Still holding out hope that these people will drain the swamp?

    Let's face it, Trump's priority is keeping his own ass out of papa Kushner's luxury jail cell. A more... forgiving climate at the top serves that priority; "locking her up" does not.

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  • @Authenticjazzman
    " I think Authenticjazzman missed your point here"

    No I did not miss his point,I simply disagree with him, and with a tested IQ upwards of 150, there are not very many points which I could possibly "Miss".

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet, and pro jazz artist.

    Nobody blows their own horn quite like Authenticjazzman.

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  • @Anon
    More proof that Homo Worship is the new religion of the West. Homos first said 'gay rights' was a secular struggle for the freedom of homosexuals to live they way they want.

    Now, homos are demanding that CHURCHES bless 'gay marriage'. Homo Stuff is no longer secular. Its aim is to replace Christianity as the new holiness.

    So, we are now supposed to associate holiness with men with penises up their anuses, lesbians who use dildos as substitutes for penises, and trans-gender freaks who cut off penises and testicles to get fake vaginas.

    What is called 'gay rights' is really Homo Worship.

    https://www.rt.com/viral/393867-sweden-gay-marriage-priests/

    This sounds like a Priss post. I cannot see why you post as Anon, you must have your reasons.

    However, agreeing with the sentiments.

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  • @jim jones
    Bernie Sanders & Wife Under FBI Investigation For Bank Fraud:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-24/bernie-sanders-wife-under-fbi-investigation-bank-fraud

    Thanks.

    It is funny.

    BTW, your uname also is, unless it is real.

    I would bet that the investigation will go nowhere, but it seems they have much to investigate.

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  • Democratic triumph in California: “DEMOCRATS Kill Single Payer Healthcare In California,” The Jimmy Dore Show:

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  • @Seamus Padraig
    The problem is that, even after they have long outlived their purpose, the parties are permanent - they cannot simply be gotten rid of. Neither American party has ever been replaced since the demise of the Whigs in the 1840s. The nature of the Electoral College makes it pretty much impossible.

    Yeah the US has built-in structural problems. But it’s also self-fulfilling: a way of saying that, even after millions of Americans lost their homes, the moment of pain still hasn’t arrived yet. In all fairness, the US didn’t get on top without knowing a thing or two about divide & conquer — being the official successor to the British Empire and all that. How could you not use that at home as well.

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  • @The Scalpel
    "...with a tested IQ upwards of 150, there are not very many points which I could possibly “Miss"".


    I feel embarrassed for you. Maybe you have Asberger's syndrome.

    Asperger

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  • @WorkingClass
    Bill Clinton and his New Democrats wrote off the working class in favor of Corporate Bucks. It worked well for them in terms of graft. But writing off the white race while endorsing the meme that all white people are inherently racist was a big mistake. Trying to convince us there is no such thing as boys and girls was another big mistake. Stealing the nomination for Hillary - fatal mistake number three. Finally, blaming their loss on the Russians, repudiating free speech and the current attempt at a soft coup makes them unacceptable to anyone not totally brain washed by the Corporate Media, Hollywood and Academia. The Republicans are no less corrupt and they get no credit for Trump's win. But by dumb luck, they have emerged as the lessor evil.

    Unfortunately, the groups that you mention are the dominant groups in society. They won’t make the sames mistakes on 2018 or 2030.

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  • @Authenticjazzman
    " but by dumb luck, they have emerged as the lessor evil"

    Pure Bullshit: The outcome had nothing to do with "Luck" rather common sense, and the awareness that the crazies, the sjws, leftist academia, that the dissolute media people, that hollywood, that lunatics like NP, are ripping the country apart, and ignoranti such as yourself are unable to grasp this reality.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" Society mitglied seit 1973,. airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    I am more impressed by authentic jazzman and vet, than you Mensa society club ‘credentials’.
    Can’t your opinion be seen as intelligent on its own merits
    Without this stuff?
    Still insisting you are intelligent by association eh?

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  • @boogerbently
    I got this far:
    "and the lethal effects of a warming climate."
    The FIRST sentence !

    WHY..ARE.. YOU.. LYING.. ???????
    [Very strange invention. Climate isn't mentioned in any way.]

    What is there about this report that you don’t want [certain] people to see?

    Haven’t noticed you, but must be some kind of TROLL. (On the bright side, maybe we hit a nerve. Is the booger a Clinton Democrat?)

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  • @Anon
    More proof that Homo Worship is the new religion of the West. Homos first said 'gay rights' was a secular struggle for the freedom of homosexuals to live they way they want.

    Now, homos are demanding that CHURCHES bless 'gay marriage'. Homo Stuff is no longer secular. Its aim is to replace Christianity as the new holiness.

    So, we are now supposed to associate holiness with men with penises up their anuses, lesbians who use dildos as substitutes for penises, and trans-gender freaks who cut off penises and testicles to get fake vaginas.

    What is called 'gay rights' is really Homo Worship.

    https://www.rt.com/viral/393867-sweden-gay-marriage-priests/

    Well said, actually.

    Too many people want substitutes for the real thing.

    And why do men hating lesbians try to look like men?

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  • @Wally
    Woulda' coulda', shoulda'. You lost.

    Your "reliable" are becoming rather unreliable.

    Black Voters Aren’t Turning Out For The Post-Obama Democratic Party
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/black-voters-arent-turning-out-for-the-post-obama-democratic-party/

    Why do the Dems spend such an inordinate amount of time and money on such a small % of the population that has such a meager turn out (to vote) ratio.

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  • @Stonehands
    You are a pedigreed asshole.

    NONE of which is documentable.

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  • @RobinG
    DEMOCRATS & REPUBLICANS: ONE BIRD, 2 WINGS.... SAME SHIT

    UKRAINE meddled in US 2016 election. In conspiracy to blackmail Trump, Ukraine provided DNC with false accusations against Manafort, hoping to derail Trump and install Deep State figurehead Hillary Clinton.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEjZ5gI9GaM UNREAL: The real election interference scandal HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT

    See the timeline, and smoking-gun email from Alexandra Chalupa. To steal election, DNC fabricated Trump-Russian collusion stories which have poisoned US-Russia relations in this administration and stoked impeachment fever. Anti-Russian hysteria serves Israel by killing Syria & Iran diplomacy. Great journalism by Lee Stranahan.

    I got this far:
    “and the lethal effects of a warming climate.”
    The FIRST sentence !

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    WHY..ARE.. YOU.. LYING.. ???????
    [Very strange invention. Climate isn't mentioned in any way.]

    What is there about this report that you don't want [certain] people to see?

    Haven't noticed you, but must be some kind of TROLL. (On the bright side, maybe we hit a nerve. Is the booger a Clinton Democrat?)
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  • @Authenticjazzman
    " I think Authenticjazzman missed your point here"

    No I did not miss his point,I simply disagree with him, and with a tested IQ upwards of 150, there are not very many points which I could possibly "Miss".

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet, and pro jazz artist.

    You are a pedigreed asshole.

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    NONE of which is documentable.
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  • A region that understands the relationship between slave and master? That’s laying it on thick! The 6th isn’t the same district that elected Newt Gingrich, physically or demographically. The whole Atlanta metro area has large enough numbers of transplants and immigrants that it can’t really be considered Georgian or Southern (or even American in some areas) in any real sense, and certainly not politically or culturally, not that most Georgians and Southerners would have any idea about what St. Clair calls their politics or culture. I’d bet that for large numbers of voters in the 6th, the only thing they know about Lester Maddox is that there is a bridge named after him on I-75, and they only know that if they venture another part of the city.

    It’s also funny that St. Clair mentions Hillary Clinton’s politics without mentioning her blatant anti-white, pro-immigrant and pro-minority agenda. It looks like at least some white women are waking up to the fact that they are white, as are their fathers, sons, husbands, etc. I bet the Democrats haven’t considered that.

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  • @Authenticjazzman
    " I think Authenticjazzman missed your point here"

    No I did not miss his point,I simply disagree with him, and with a tested IQ upwards of 150, there are not very many points which I could possibly "Miss".

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet, and pro jazz artist.

    “…with a tested IQ upwards of 150, there are not very many points which I could possibly “Miss””.

    I feel embarrassed for you. Maybe you have Asberger’s syndrome.

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    Asperger
    , @Liberty or Death
    Indeed.....were it so would one prance around bragging about it?
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  • @WorkingClass
    Bill Clinton and his New Democrats wrote off the working class in favor of Corporate Bucks. It worked well for them in terms of graft. But writing off the white race while endorsing the meme that all white people are inherently racist was a big mistake. Trying to convince us there is no such thing as boys and girls was another big mistake. Stealing the nomination for Hillary - fatal mistake number three. Finally, blaming their loss on the Russians, repudiating free speech and the current attempt at a soft coup makes them unacceptable to anyone not totally brain washed by the Corporate Media, Hollywood and Academia. The Republicans are no less corrupt and they get no credit for Trump's win. But by dumb luck, they have emerged as the lessor evil.

    Excellent summation.

    The GOP certainly gets no credit for Trump, since they hate him and want him gone. They couldn’t say enough bad things about him during the primary and run-off. Hell their idea of a solid GOP candidate was Jeb Bush or creepy Cruz both avowed globalists and no friend of white blue collars and the middle-class.

    The sickening thing about the GOP, Ryan was ready to pass TPP and amnesty had Trump lost. Ryan is one of those sickening globalist stooges no different than Pelosi or Schumer. They have no use for America or Americans.

    The fact if it wasn’t for Trump, the GOP would be in a terrible position today.

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:

    More proof that Homo Worship is the new religion of the West. Homos first said ‘gay rights’ was a secular struggle for the freedom of homosexuals to live they way they want.

    Now, homos are demanding that CHURCHES bless ‘gay marriage’. Homo Stuff is no longer secular. Its aim is to replace Christianity as the new holiness.

    So, we are now supposed to associate holiness with men with penises up their anuses, lesbians who use dildos as substitutes for penises, and trans-gender freaks who cut off penises and testicles to get fake vaginas.

    What is called ‘gay rights’ is really Homo Worship.

    https://www.rt.com/viral/393867-sweden-gay-marriage-priests/

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Well said, actually.

    Too many people want substitutes for the real thing.

    And why do men hating lesbians try to look like men?
    , @Che Guava
    This sounds like a Priss post. I cannot see why you post as Anon, you must have your reasons.

    However, agreeing with the sentiments.
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  • @Liberty or Death
    Excellent and concise WorkingClass.

    And you are correct, it is only by dumb luck (R) has emerged as the lessor evil. It is NOT by dumb luck Trump won. (I think Authenticjazzman missed your point here.)

    In the event, Trump is merely the first iteration of repudiation of the cult of multicultural political correctness and evil permeating nearly all US institutions; i.e. education, religion, entertainment, financial, mass media, politics, recreation, government, and on and on.

    Since Wilson, gradualism worked for the statists but Obama was like an accelerant to the Reichstag fire turning their secular globalist collectivist agenda into a raging inferno thus being exposed for all to see. Well, alternative web based media played a fortuitous hand exposing them too.

    Working Class always gets it right and he knows how to express himself well.

    The “genius,” on the other hand…

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  • @Che Guava
    St Clair may be the chief editor of Counterpunch, but is generally one of the most boring of their writers, though there have been exceptions. This is not one.

    Anybody who continues to proclaim Sanders as the great, even after he was using campaign funds to set up a nice million plus lakeside mansion (which is big, so will require servants) needs to think a little more.
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    Thanks.

    It is funny.

    BTW, your uname also is, unless it is real.

    I would bet that the investigation will go nowhere, but it seems they have much to investigate.
    , @Seamus Padraig
    Yet still no investigation of Hellary? WTF is Trump smoking?
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  • @Si1ver1ock
    This is a good column. I've been looking for a new Democrat leader. Maybe Tim Ryan from Ohio?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PblzdwwCzIU


    A minor nit to pick:

    "the DNC orchestrated conveys" should probably be "the DNC orchestrated convoys"

    Conveyances are transfers of property. No nit to pick here, just a revelation of intent.

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  • @Diversity Heretic
    My comment was a warning, not a boast.

    I understood that, but wanted to make a point for others.

    Cheers.

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  • Don’t feel too sorry for Mr. Ossoff. He’ll probably wind up with a well paying job as Goldman, Sachs just like Eric Cantor.

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  • @Diversity Heretic
    Ossof still got 48% of the vote, with all the drawbacks this article describes. A couple more election cycles and reliable Democratic voters (Negroes, Hispanics and Asians) will combine with the remaining white liberals to win such elections. Demography is electoral destiny in a mass participatory, universal suffrage democracy.

    Feminist and queers are fairly reliable democrat voters too.

    Not much difference between a democrat and a neocon, both are left wing ideologies.

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  • @Liberty or Death
    Excellent and concise WorkingClass.

    And you are correct, it is only by dumb luck (R) has emerged as the lessor evil. It is NOT by dumb luck Trump won. (I think Authenticjazzman missed your point here.)

    In the event, Trump is merely the first iteration of repudiation of the cult of multicultural political correctness and evil permeating nearly all US institutions; i.e. education, religion, entertainment, financial, mass media, politics, recreation, government, and on and on.

    Since Wilson, gradualism worked for the statists but Obama was like an accelerant to the Reichstag fire turning their secular globalist collectivist agenda into a raging inferno thus being exposed for all to see. Well, alternative web based media played a fortuitous hand exposing them too.

    ” I think Authenticjazzman missed your point here”

    No I did not miss his point,I simply disagree with him, and with a tested IQ upwards of 150, there are not very many points which I could possibly “Miss”.

    Authenticjazzman ” Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet, and pro jazz artist.

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    "...with a tested IQ upwards of 150, there are not very many points which I could possibly “Miss"".


    I feel embarrassed for you. Maybe you have Asberger's syndrome.

    , @Stonehands
    You are a pedigreed asshole.
    , @Seamus Padraig
    Nobody blows their own horn quite like Authenticjazzman.
    , @bluedog
    Everyone stand up and applaud for we have a genius among up,or so he says...
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  • @DanCT
    Am I correct in that the Wikipedia puff piece on this guy mentions he was self-employed from 2013, producing videos at an outfit significantly named Insight TWI, including one video on ISIS atrocities for BBC in 2016? If so that would suggest a nobody like Ossoff with no access to anything but secondhand information was probably being run by SITE Intelligence, who actually produced that ISIS video. Any thoughts on this?

    I don’t know about that, but I do know that Thierry Meyssan thought Ted Cruz was a deep-state psyop: http://www.voltairenet.org/article190187.html

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  • This is a good column. I’ve been looking for a new Democrat leader. Maybe Tim Ryan from Ohio?

    A minor nit to pick:

    “the DNC orchestrated conveys” should probably be “the DNC orchestrated convoys”

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    Conveyances are transfers of property. No nit to pick here, just a revelation of intent.
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  • @Ma Laoshi
    Weren't we taught that the US of A was a forward-looking place? Wasn't the ideal for mass consumer goods that they were *supposed* to be disposable? You guys even dump your religious revivals when the cool new thing comes along--what's with this sentimental attachment to a party that lost its purpose decades ago? Do you want to write the same sad pieces twenty years from now? Just get on with it. And do it respectfully but ditch Sanders as well: he gave more than most, but his well got exhausted a year ago for all to see.

    The problem is that, even after they have long outlived their purpose, the parties are permanent - they cannot simply be gotten rid of. Neither American party has ever been replaced since the demise of the Whigs in the 1840s. The nature of the Electoral College makes it pretty much impossible.

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    • Replies: @Ma Laoshi
    Yeah the US has built-in structural problems. But it's also self-fulfilling: a way of saying that, even after millions of Americans lost their homes, the moment of pain still hasn't arrived yet. In all fairness, the US didn't get on top without knowing a thing or two about divide & conquer -- being the official successor to the British Empire and all that. How could you not use that at home as well.
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  • @Che Guava
    St Clair may be the chief editor of Counterpunch, but is generally one of the most boring of their writers, though there have been exceptions. This is not one.

    Anybody who continues to proclaim Sanders as the great, even after he was using campaign funds to set up a nice million plus lakeside mansion (which is big, so will require servants) needs to think a little more.

    Every jooie trotskyite needs a second dacha on a lake…..

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    • Replies: @Che Guava
    Every Jewish Bolsheviki boss needed a nice dacha, but they changed hands at a dizzying pace once they turned on each other, and non-Jews also rose.

    I recommend to you, please read MIkhail Bulgakov's The Master and Margarita, if you have not. it is almost certain that, in the published form, his wife made many interpolations, but they only make it better.

    If you are a reader, you will love it.

    I love many USSR relics, the other one I would to strongly recommend is the last major USSR SF film, Kin Dza Dza.

    It is very brilliant. It is also, in a way, prophecy.
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  • @Wally
    Woulda' coulda', shoulda'. You lost.

    Your "reliable" are becoming rather unreliable.

    Black Voters Aren’t Turning Out For The Post-Obama Democratic Party
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/black-voters-arent-turning-out-for-the-post-obama-democratic-party/

    My comment was a warning, not a boast.

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    I understood that, but wanted to make a point for others.

    Cheers.
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  • @jacques sheete
    Maybe one day folks will wake up and realize that there are no political solutions for degenerate souls.

    The “folks” have to grow out of credulity, if possible. St Claire et al work hard on delivering op-eds that appear to be outside the status quo but serve as more effective agitprop for target audiences.

    It is far more important to monitor – in real time – the public’s consideration of the fraudulent Democracy.

    Most folks are able to call bullshit on honeypot political hate sites and the long standing worthless proselytism of so-called left or right hacks. So, by all means don’t shoot the messenger, ignore them or know when you are being fooled.

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  • @Diversity Heretic
    Ossof still got 48% of the vote, with all the drawbacks this article describes. A couple more election cycles and reliable Democratic voters (Negroes, Hispanics and Asians) will combine with the remaining white liberals to win such elections. Demography is electoral destiny in a mass participatory, universal suffrage democracy.

    Woulda’ coulda’, shoulda’. You lost.

    Your “reliable” are becoming rather unreliable.

    Black Voters Aren’t Turning Out For The Post-Obama Democratic Party

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/black-voters-arent-turning-out-for-the-post-obama-democratic-party/

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    My comment was a warning, not a boast.
    , @boogerbently
    Why do the Dems spend such an inordinate amount of time and money on such a small % of the population that has such a meager turn out (to vote) ratio.
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  • @WorkingClass
    Bill Clinton and his New Democrats wrote off the working class in favor of Corporate Bucks. It worked well for them in terms of graft. But writing off the white race while endorsing the meme that all white people are inherently racist was a big mistake. Trying to convince us there is no such thing as boys and girls was another big mistake. Stealing the nomination for Hillary - fatal mistake number three. Finally, blaming their loss on the Russians, repudiating free speech and the current attempt at a soft coup makes them unacceptable to anyone not totally brain washed by the Corporate Media, Hollywood and Academia. The Republicans are no less corrupt and they get no credit for Trump's win. But by dumb luck, they have emerged as the lessor evil.

    Excellent and concise WorkingClass.

    And you are correct, it is only by dumb luck (R) has emerged as the lessor evil. It is NOT by dumb luck Trump won. (I think Authenticjazzman missed your point here.)

    In the event, Trump is merely the first iteration of repudiation of the cult of multicultural political correctness and evil permeating nearly all US institutions; i.e. education, religion, entertainment, financial, mass media, politics, recreation, government, and on and on.

    Since Wilson, gradualism worked for the statists but Obama was like an accelerant to the Reichstag fire turning their secular globalist collectivist agenda into a raging inferno thus being exposed for all to see. Well, alternative web based media played a fortuitous hand exposing them too.

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    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    " I think Authenticjazzman missed your point here"

    No I did not miss his point,I simply disagree with him, and with a tested IQ upwards of 150, there are not very many points which I could possibly "Miss".

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet, and pro jazz artist.
    , @jacques sheete
    Working Class always gets it right and he knows how to express himself well.

    The "genius," on the other hand...
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  • St Clair may be the chief editor of Counterpunch, but is generally one of the most boring of their writers, though there have been exceptions. This is not one.

    Anybody who continues to proclaim Sanders as the great, even after he was using campaign funds to set up a nice million plus lakeside mansion (which is big, so will require servants) needs to think a little more.

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    • Replies: @nsa
    Every jooie trotskyite needs a second dacha on a lake.....
    , @jim jones
    Bernie Sanders & Wife Under FBI Investigation For Bank Fraud:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-24/bernie-sanders-wife-under-fbi-investigation-bank-fraud
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  • The time for talk and politics is over.

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  • @WorkingClass
    Bill Clinton and his New Democrats wrote off the working class in favor of Corporate Bucks. It worked well for them in terms of graft. But writing off the white race while endorsing the meme that all white people are inherently racist was a big mistake. Trying to convince us there is no such thing as boys and girls was another big mistake. Stealing the nomination for Hillary - fatal mistake number three. Finally, blaming their loss on the Russians, repudiating free speech and the current attempt at a soft coup makes them unacceptable to anyone not totally brain washed by the Corporate Media, Hollywood and Academia. The Republicans are no less corrupt and they get no credit for Trump's win. But by dumb luck, they have emerged as the lessor evil.

    ” but by dumb luck, they have emerged as the lessor evil”

    Pure Bullshit: The outcome had nothing to do with “Luck” rather common sense, and the awareness that the crazies, the sjws, leftist academia, that the dissolute media people, that hollywood, that lunatics like NP, are ripping the country apart, and ignoranti such as yourself are unable to grasp this reality.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” Society mitglied seit 1973,. airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

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    I am more impressed by authentic jazzman and vet, than you Mensa society club 'credentials'.
    Can't your opinion be seen as intelligent on its own merits
    Without this stuff?
    Still insisting you are intelligent by association eh?
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  • Anybody want to count the number of times that Authorial Asshat gratuitously insulted the South?

    Democrats are losing because they are trying to destroy southern whites in particular, and whites in general. And we are on to them.

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    • Replies: @jimbojones
    Yep, the hatred seeps between the lines. The guy just couldn't help but spoil a decent article with venomous bigotry. Stuff like this: "a region that understands the relationship between master and slave." Wow, bro! 1860 was a long time ago.
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  • Am I correct in that the Wikipedia puff piece on this guy mentions he was self-employed from 2013, producing videos at an outfit significantly named Insight TWI, including one video on ISIS atrocities for BBC in 2016? If so that would suggest a nobody like Ossoff with no access to anything but secondhand information was probably being run by SITE Intelligence, who actually produced that ISIS video. Any thoughts on this?

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    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
    I don't know about that, but I do know that Thierry Meyssan thought Ted Cruz was a deep-state psyop: http://www.voltairenet.org/article190187.html
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  • Weren’t we taught that the US of A was a forward-looking place? Wasn’t the ideal for mass consumer goods that they were *supposed* to be disposable? You guys even dump your religious revivals when the cool new thing comes along–what’s with this sentimental attachment to a party that lost its purpose decades ago? Do you want to write the same sad pieces twenty years from now? Just get on with it. And do it respectfully but ditch Sanders as well: he gave more than most, but his well got exhausted a year ago for all to see.

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    The problem is that, even after they have long outlived their purpose, the parties are permanent - they cannot simply be gotten rid of. Neither American party has ever been replaced since the demise of the Whigs in the 1840s. The nature of the Electoral College makes it pretty much impossible.
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  • Maybe one day folks will wake up and realize that there are no political solutions for degenerate souls.

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    The "folks" have to grow out of credulity, if possible. St Claire et al work hard on delivering op-eds that appear to be outside the status quo but serve as more effective agitprop for target audiences.

    It is far more important to monitor - in real time - the public's consideration of the fraudulent Democracy.

    Most folks are able to call bullshit on honeypot political hate sites and the long standing worthless proselytism of so-called left or right hacks. So, by all means don't shoot the messenger, ignore them or know when you are being fooled.
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  • One of the biggest LIES around is that the USA has two different party’s, the Dems and Repubs, but that is laughable.

    Both lavish money on the Pentagon, even though that outfit has stolen, oops ‘lost’ at least 9 trillion in the last twenty years, and neither utters a word about investigating that stolen loot. Both lavish money and weapons on Israel and both sound like a flock of parrots whenever Israel goes on a bombing rampage against Gaza, “Squawk, Israel has a right to defend itself, Squawk.”

    Neither pay any attention to Wall Street’s plundering, until the con artists steals so much money that the economy collapses and then they’re all tears, promising to do a better job of oversight, until it happens again.

    The Dems gave us the rapacious Obamacare, which has fractured many a household budget and the Repubs want to make it worse with their version of ‘loot the people’. Both versions benefit the insurance companies, not We the People.

    Neither have any problem with the FED carnivores, who keep inflating the USD to oblivion, while letting those jackals pay a measly 1/5 of ONE PERCENT to our savings accounts, while those TBTF Wall Street banks get to borrow huge sums of money at basically zero percent interest rate.

    And both vote for these endless, illegal wars, which benefit no one except Wall Street and Israel, so let’s dispense with the outdated notion of two party’s. The side issues, like abortion and guns, are just distractions to keep up peons snapping and snarling at each other while BOTH party’s keep open the Treasury gates to the Wall Street looters and our troops keep destroying ME nations for the glory of Apartheid Israel and Wall Street investors.

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  • Ossof still got 48% of the vote, with all the drawbacks this article describes. A couple more election cycles and reliable Democratic voters (Negroes, Hispanics and Asians) will combine with the remaining white liberals to win such elections. Demography is electoral destiny in a mass participatory, universal suffrage democracy.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Woulda' coulda', shoulda'. You lost.

    Your "reliable" are becoming rather unreliable.

    Black Voters Aren’t Turning Out For The Post-Obama Democratic Party
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/black-voters-arent-turning-out-for-the-post-obama-democratic-party/

    , @Joe Franklin
    Feminist and queers are fairly reliable democrat voters too.

    Not much difference between a democrat and a neocon, both are left wing ideologies.
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  • Lipstick on a pig.
    The crats are looking like a band of crazies.

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  • Bernie Sanders himself questioned whether Ossoff could be considered a “progressive,” but that warning sign didn’t stop progressives across the country from flooding his campaign coffers with cash.

    You seem to use the word progressive in a positive sense, but it seems to me that since the Democrats started using it as the replacement for ‘liberal’ it’s been discredited just the same. “Progressive” is now the same as “liberal” – banksters-owned identity-politics monger.

    Also you apparently believe that “Bernie Sanders himself” is something other than a clown recruited by the Democrats to provide an appearance of competition and eventual triumph for Clinton.

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  • Bill Clinton and his New Democrats wrote off the working class in favor of Corporate Bucks. It worked well for them in terms of graft. But writing off the white race while endorsing the meme that all white people are inherently racist was a big mistake. Trying to convince us there is no such thing as boys and girls was another big mistake. Stealing the nomination for Hillary – fatal mistake number three. Finally, blaming their loss on the Russians, repudiating free speech and the current attempt at a soft coup makes them unacceptable to anyone not totally brain washed by the Corporate Media, Hollywood and Academia. The Republicans are no less corrupt and they get no credit for Trump’s win. But by dumb luck, they have emerged as the lessor evil.

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    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    " but by dumb luck, they have emerged as the lessor evil"

    Pure Bullshit: The outcome had nothing to do with "Luck" rather common sense, and the awareness that the crazies, the sjws, leftist academia, that the dissolute media people, that hollywood, that lunatics like NP, are ripping the country apart, and ignoranti such as yourself are unable to grasp this reality.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" Society mitglied seit 1973,. airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.
    , @Liberty or Death
    Excellent and concise WorkingClass.

    And you are correct, it is only by dumb luck (R) has emerged as the lessor evil. It is NOT by dumb luck Trump won. (I think Authenticjazzman missed your point here.)

    In the event, Trump is merely the first iteration of repudiation of the cult of multicultural political correctness and evil permeating nearly all US institutions; i.e. education, religion, entertainment, financial, mass media, politics, recreation, government, and on and on.

    Since Wilson, gradualism worked for the statists but Obama was like an accelerant to the Reichstag fire turning their secular globalist collectivist agenda into a raging inferno thus being exposed for all to see. Well, alternative web based media played a fortuitous hand exposing them too.
    , @Rod1963
    Excellent summation.

    The GOP certainly gets no credit for Trump, since they hate him and want him gone. They couldn't say enough bad things about him during the primary and run-off. Hell their idea of a solid GOP candidate was Jeb Bush or creepy Cruz both avowed globalists and no friend of white blue collars and the middle-class.

    The sickening thing about the GOP, Ryan was ready to pass TPP and amnesty had Trump lost. Ryan is one of those sickening globalist stooges no different than Pelosi or Schumer. They have no use for America or Americans.

    The fact if it wasn't for Trump, the GOP would be in a terrible position today.
    , @MBlanc46
    Unfortunately, the groups that you mention are the dominant groups in society. They won't make the sames mistakes on 2018 or 2030.
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  • The fabricated collusion stories strike me as efforts to force Trump to put the US on an aggressive war footing against Russia in Syria and elsewhere. As such the constitute war crimes efforts and are not only criminal, but stupid in light of the unnecessary risk they put us to.

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  • Lefty Jimmy Dore explains why the corrupt corporate Democrats keep losing elections, including this one:

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  • fact:
    Ossoff supports strict Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY, while he demands massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.

    Perhaps he should have tried NY or CA, but GA? No chance.

    Trump Was Right: New Study Reveals Up to 5.7 Million Illegals Voted in Election

    https://www.infowars.com/trump-was-right-new-study-reveals-up-to-5-7-million-illegals-voted-in-election/

    Study: More Noncitizens May Have Voted Illegally in Elections Than Previously Thought

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/22/study-noncitizens-may-voted-illegally-elections-previously-thought/

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  • DEMOCRATS & REPUBLICANS: ONE BIRD, 2 WINGS…. SAME SHIT

    UKRAINE meddled in US 2016 election. In conspiracy to blackmail Trump, Ukraine provided DNC with false accusations against Manafort, hoping to derail Trump and install Deep State figurehead Hillary Clinton.

    UNREAL: The real election interference scandal HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT

    See the timeline, and smoking-gun email from Alexandra Chalupa. To steal election, DNC fabricated Trump-Russian collusion stories which have poisoned US-Russia relations in this administration and stoked impeachment fever. Anti-Russian hysteria serves Israel by killing Syria & Iran diplomacy. Great journalism by Lee Stranahan.

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    I got this far:
    "and the lethal effects of a warming climate."
    The FIRST sentence !
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  • In early June of 1967, at the onset of the Six Day War, the Pentagon sent the USS Liberty from Spain into international waters off the coast of Gaza to monitor the progress of Israel’s attack on the Arab states. The Liberty was a lightly armed surveillance ship. Only hours after the Liberty arrived it...
  • @Anon
    That is such a richly idiosyncratic take on the English Reformation that it deserves a request for elaboration and elucidation. There were practically no Jews in England during the first 120 years of the Reformation in England and the biggest single factor in the changes brought about by and during the Reformation in Britain was surely the use of English language bibles and prayer books.

    There were practically no Jews in England during the first 120 years of the Reformation …

    They had been expelled centuries before the Reformation by King Edward I in 1290. It was Cromwell who let them back in. Needed allies against the ‘Papists’ it seems. This is how one of history’s more hellish marriages arose: Britain and the Rothschilds. From modest beginnings …

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  • @anarchyst
    Not absurd at all. Israel's "weapons of mass destruction" ARE pre-positioned, as that makes the most sense. These weapons have been distributed by the use of the "diplomatic pouch" as well as the utilization of the most effective spy agency in the world--the mossad. (How do you think that all of the demolition equipment was moved into the WTC, pre-9-11)?
    If Israel feels mortally threatened, IT WILL take out a European or American population center--count on it.
    The "Samson Option" is a THREAT to the rest of the world--not just against moslems.
    In fact, moslems and jews are much closer ethnically (and spiritually) than most people realize. When the SHTF and Israel is finally exposed as the one country that has caused much misery (along with its "facilitator"--the USA) throughout the world, you will see jews and moslems unite against their "common enemy"--the rest of the (now enlightened) world.
    Regards,

    I think you got that wrong. You need to replace the word ‘Muslim’ with ‘wahabbi’ in your assessment. As far as it looks, the Israelis hate the other Muslims as much as the orthodox Christians if not more.

    Looking at Syria/Iraq/Libya/Somalia destroyed/being destroyed and Iran, Lebanon on the pipeline, I think the only ‘Good’ Muslims that they think are in the region seem to be the oil rich Gulf monarchies, who everybody knows has a back channel link with the Israelis.

    And there is no one Muslim monolithic block. The central Asian ‘stanis’, though Sunni are firmly under the Russian axis and wish to remain so (they know how Uncle Sam or rather Uncle Schlomo can sell them out for a dime or destroy them if they act too ‘independent’). Most shitte ones are very much pro Russia and are sworn enemies of Israel (which never ceases to remind the world of the dangers of ‘Terrorism’, the one emanating from Iran that is!!). Pakistan is currently torn between the Saudis and the Iranis and made sure they want to remain neutral (although the incentive to go for Saudis is more as they host a very big Pakistani expatriate population sending in the dough). The Bengalis are firmly under the Indian axis and will swing whichever way the Indians tell them to (although there are signs that they are making good of the rivalry between India and China and milking them both).

    I’m curios as to which side the East Asian ones will choose. So no, your analysis leaves much room for correction there!

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  • @Orville H. Larson
    " . . . Fuck Israel and fuck the owned American politician then and now!"

    A most concise summation!

    I strive for brevity. (Grin)

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  • @ utu,

    Agreed. Also it occurred to me that SAC had 24/7/365 nuclear armed B52′s airborne as in Dr. Strangelove for any nuclear war contingencies. Of course there was no involvement of any supposed nuclear armed jet fighters during the USS Pueblo or USS Mayaguez incidents.

    So when dealing with occupied Palestine (Israel) there always seem to be red herrings.

    Final observation, in no way, shape or form could a densely populated civilian target be nuked as a proportional response to an attack on a rusting spook ship assuming the Egyptian perp story had even stuck.

    These days they could possibly get away with it what with the zombified citizenry but certainly not in 1967 when general sanity was still in evidence.

    Cheers-

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  • @utu
    The nukes part of the story seems like a disinfo to me. It would be interesting to find out where and when it first appeared.

    We should stick to what we know for sure was true:
    (1) Israel intentionally attacked the USS Liberty
    (2) The orders were to sink her and leave no survivors

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/was-this-the-911-new-jersey-celebration-trump-remembered/#comment-1240650

    Yes, but why? It was obviously an intentional attack, but what was the purpose? The nuke theory ties together a lot of strands which are plausible but individually problematic. There can be no doubting the immense criminality of the US government. The idea that this was a joint US-Israeli operation (“ruined” by the crew jerry-rigging an antenna and hence providing evidence) to create a pretext for an attack on Egypt (a Soviet client state at the time) makes the most sense.

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  • in fact if one looks at the images of the twin towers you can see the aerial that was used to fire the pulse.the targeting hardware was mounted on the opposite tower

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  • @L.K
    I wonder; the USS Liberty was attacked many years before I was even born...

    2017 now, and the Israeli attack remains largely unknown to zamericans... quite amazing and a testament to something hardly ever discussed; Jewish power... the Zionist Power Configuration...
    Before the USS Liberty, there was the Lavon Affair...

    Eight years after the bombing of the King David Hotel, the State of Israel carried out a series of false-flag terror bombings against U.S. and British libraries, theatres, and other government institutions in Egypt in a terror campaign designed to be blamed on Egyptian groups. This Israeli terror campaign of July 1954 is often referred to as the "Lavon Affair" after Pinhas Lavon, the Israeli defense minister at the time.

     

    In 2001, we had 9-11, instantly, and without any real investigation or proof, conveniently blamed on Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. The new Pearl Harbor has zionist fingerprints all over it.
    The "investigation" was a complete farce, 100% a cover-up. Evidence quickly destroyed, lies planted by the zio controlled media framing "muslim terrorism", and then the totally fraudulent and ongoing war on "Terror" was launched.

    Given that after so many decades there is still no clarity re the treacherous israeli attack on the USS Liberty and little talk of the Lavon 'affair', the zionist rats are probably confident 9-11 will be a repeat of previous zionist ops against ZUSA, their responsibility never revealed.

    People should take some time to read investigative journalist and author, C. Bollyn's, "Solving 9-11: The Deception that Changed the World":
    http://bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book
    Chapter III - America the Target: 9-11 and Israel's History of False Flag Terrorism
    http://bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book#article_11279

    9/11 was a false flag operation run by the Russians who believed that high intensity lasers mounted on top of the twin towers were attacking there military satellites.the USA believed that the Russians would never attack a civilian target like the twin towers but were proved wrong when in fact they were.
    Israel warned the us intelligence agencies that an operation was afoot to attack the twin towers but nothing came of this.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Eagle Eye

    We should stick to what we know for sure was true:
    (1) Israel intentionally attacked the USS Liberty
    (2) The orders were to sink her and leave no survivors
     
    One more key point:


    (3) The U.S. knew, second-by-second, what was happening to the USS Liberty through radar, radio, visual observation and intelligence sources in Israel and Egypt.
     

    Your 3. can”t be more than metaphorical and rhetorical. “The US knew” but who is this [one person, so presumably Robert Macnamara?] who was in touch with direct feeds to DC from radar (presumably some operators’ supervisor giving an interpretation every few minutes or quarter hours rather than seconds), radio (from the jammed Liberty?), visual observation (when a U2 happens to fly over it every few hours?), or intelligence sources the very second after their pigeons arrive from Gaza with vivid descriptions of what noises out to sea suggest may be happening?

    Oh sorry. I had forgotten. You were there (underground at Pentagon, or was it White House?) so I must expect your secret and confidential info to be scrupulously obscured by smoke and BS.

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst
    Not absurd at all. Israel's "weapons of mass destruction" ARE pre-positioned, as that makes the most sense. These weapons have been distributed by the use of the "diplomatic pouch" as well as the utilization of the most effective spy agency in the world--the mossad. (How do you think that all of the demolition equipment was moved into the WTC, pre-9-11)?
    If Israel feels mortally threatened, IT WILL take out a European or American population center--count on it.
    The "Samson Option" is a THREAT to the rest of the world--not just against moslems.
    In fact, moslems and jews are much closer ethnically (and spiritually) than most people realize. When the SHTF and Israel is finally exposed as the one country that has caused much misery (along with its "facilitator"--the USA) throughout the world, you will see jews and moslems unite against their "common enemy"--the rest of the (now enlightened) world.
    Regards,

    Well I’ll grant you your intellectual dash, not to say boldness, in giving the finger to all those UR have-it-all-ways enthusiasts for Koestler’s 13th tribe nonsense that Ashkenazim aren’t really Semites at all.

    But you need a bit more evidence on the Samson Option involving prepositioning of nukes in major non Arab, non Muslim cities if I am not to believe that your failure to mention your version in the Wikipedia article on the Samson Option is because it is all imagination. True, the article does mention an author who imagines Moscow and othet European cities nuked if there was another Holocaust.

    To try and make sense of your imagined scenario, let’s say there are two or three prepositioned nukes in the US and some in England France – plus one or two in ME countries – but with many more in Israel. Whoever uses nukes first let us suppose that Iranian rockets deliver nukes which devastate Tel Aviv and even Jerusalem. Many Iranian, Lebanese and Syrian cities are in ruins from Israeli strikes but Israel’s remaining government sees the danger of total annihilation or at any rate a totally insecure future unless the West steps in and, in the last resort, uses the threat of the prepositioned bombs (which it suggests have been placed by extremists who are not totally under control) to force great and powerful protectors to make war on Iran and its allies. One or two bombs are detonated more or less harmlessly to attract serious attention… Have you a better nightmare or fantasy?

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  • L.K says:

    I wonder; the USS Liberty was attacked many years before I was even born…

    2017 now, and the Israeli attack remains largely unknown to zamericans… quite amazing and a testament to something hardly ever discussed; Jewish power… the Zionist Power Configuration…
    Before the USS Liberty, there was the Lavon Affair…

    Eight years after the bombing of the King David Hotel, the State of Israel carried out a series of false-flag terror bombings against U.S. and British libraries, theatres, and other government institutions in Egypt in a terror campaign designed to be blamed on Egyptian groups. This Israeli terror campaign of July 1954 is often referred to as the “Lavon Affair” after Pinhas Lavon, the Israeli defense minister at the time.

    In 2001, we had 9-11, instantly, and without any real investigation or proof, conveniently blamed on Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. The new Pearl Harbor has zionist fingerprints all over it.
    The “investigation” was a complete farce, 100% a cover-up. Evidence quickly destroyed, lies planted by the zio controlled media framing “muslim terrorism”, and then the totally fraudulent and ongoing war on “Terror” was launched.

    Given that after so many decades there is still no clarity re the treacherous israeli attack on the USS Liberty and little talk of the Lavon ‘affair’, the zionist rats are probably confident 9-11 will be a repeat of previous zionist ops against ZUSA, their responsibility never revealed.

    People should take some time to read investigative journalist and author, C. Bollyn’s, “Solving 9-11: The Deception that Changed the World”:

    http://bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book

    Chapter III – America the Target: 9-11 and Israel’s History of False Flag Terrorism

    http://bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book#article_11279

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    9/11 was a false flag operation run by the Russians who believed that high intensity lasers mounted on top of the twin towers were attacking there military satellites.the USA believed that the Russians would never attack a civilian target like the twin towers but were proved wrong when in fact they were.
    Israel warned the us intelligence agencies that an operation was afoot to attack the twin towers but nothing came of this.
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  • @utu
    The nukes part of the story seems like a disinfo to me. It would be interesting to find out where and when it first appeared.

    We should stick to what we know for sure was true:
    (1) Israel intentionally attacked the USS Liberty
    (2) The orders were to sink her and leave no survivors

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/was-this-the-911-new-jersey-celebration-trump-remembered/#comment-1240650

    We should stick to what we know for sure was true:
    (1) Israel intentionally attacked the USS Liberty
    (2) The orders were to sink her and leave no survivors

    One more key point:

    (3) The U.S. knew, second-by-second, what was happening to the USS Liberty through radar, radio, visual observation and intelligence sources in Israel and Egypt.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Your 3. can"t be more than metaphorical and rhetorical. "The US knew" but who is this [one person, so presumably Robert Macnamara?] who was in touch with direct feeds to DC from radar (presumably some operators' supervisor giving an interpretation every few minutes or quarter hours rather than seconds), radio (from the jammed Liberty?), visual observation (when a U2 happens to fly over it every few hours?), or intelligence sources the very second after their pigeons arrive from Gaza with vivid descriptions of what noises out to sea suggest may be happening?

    Oh sorry. I had forgotten. You were there (underground at Pentagon, or was it White House?) so I must expect your secret and confidential info to be scrupulously obscured by smoke and BS.
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  • @Delinquent Snail
    A boat says its being attacked by planes, so a carrier group sends ONLY 2 planes armed with nuclear bombs. Really? Why would bombers be sent to engage planes? Why only 2 planes instead of a dozen? And why are they armed with nukes? I understand they were there incase they needed to nuke some one or something, the the distress call was for a boat UNDER ATTACK AT SEA FROM JETS! this whole mess screams incompetence and straight bullshit.

    The Pentagon’s (later) story was that the two F-4s were recalled from their ostensible mission to rescue/support the USS Liberty BECAUSE they carried nuclear armaments.

    There are also reports that two A-4s were launched alongside the F-4s.

    As stated earlier, it seems incongruous that nuclear-armed F-4s should have been launched if the aim was to come to the assistance of the USS Liberty. On the other hand, other incidents (Gulf of Tonkin) suggest that Democratic administration (LBJ/McNamara) may have wanted to stage an operation with the aim of involving the U.S. in another war, up to and including the nuking of Cairo under color of retaliation for an ostensible Egyptian attack on the USS Liberty. BTW it is far from clear that such an initiative was not initiated at the Pentagon (as Tonkin was).

    KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE BALL: Whatever did happen, the U.S. had real-time radar, radio and visual intelligence on, whatever the U.S. may have been said in public.

    The U.S. leadership (McNamara and LBJ) could NOT have been hoodwinked for even a microsecond. The U.S. government for whatever reasons obviously directed the later cover-up.

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  • utu says:
    @Timur The Lame
    I wish to make some observations before I befuddle my mind by looking into the nuclear armed F-4's.

    First off to the best of my knowledge the F-4 Phantom jets ( the flying bricks as they were called) were not nor could not be equipped with nuclear weapons. But if so, the second question would be what sort of nukes? Would they be limited defensive nukes that were designated to be used on the German border (on the West German side as told to me by minor German military officials back in the 1970's) to counteract a massive Soviet tank offensive or a full out Nagasaki specials?

    Now, most problematically the authorization for use of nuclear weapons would have to come from the very highest levels, in this case LBJ and 'Strange' McNamara. The Pentagram of course would endorse any war any time. They are not in the peace business.

    If so, would anyone in the public domain expect that a fleet Admiral would nuke, say Cairo on his own authority? Of course not but here comes the conundrum, if following orders to do so would the peacocks at the top expect the Admiral to fall on his sword to protect them and say that he went rogue when now the fallout from the fallout could not just land him in a courts martial or the American justice system but indeed the in court of world history?

    Puzzles within puzzles. Though I may be proven wrong I just can't fathom any nuclear element in the Liberty tragedy. Most likely it was motivated by the impending Syrian situation. Shooting prisoners? Hey that's just business as usual.

    Cheers-

    The nukes part of the story seems like a disinfo to me. It would be interesting to find out where and when it first appeared.

    We should stick to what we know for sure was true:
    (1) Israel intentionally attacked the USS Liberty
    (2) The orders were to sink her and leave no survivors

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/was-this-the-911-new-jersey-celebration-trump-remembered/#comment-1240650

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    • Replies: @Eagle Eye

    We should stick to what we know for sure was true:
    (1) Israel intentionally attacked the USS Liberty
    (2) The orders were to sink her and leave no survivors
     
    One more key point:


    (3) The U.S. knew, second-by-second, what was happening to the USS Liberty through radar, radio, visual observation and intelligence sources in Israel and Egypt.
     
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Yes, but why? It was obviously an intentional attack, but what was the purpose? The nuke theory ties together a lot of strands which are plausible but individually problematic. There can be no doubting the immense criminality of the US government. The idea that this was a joint US-Israeli operation ("ruined" by the crew jerry-rigging an antenna and hence providing evidence) to create a pretext for an attack on Egypt (a Soviet client state at the time) makes the most sense.
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  • @bluedog
    Lol I guess that one went over your head..

    So many idiots.difficult to know where to start.
    the uss liberty was spying on russia and egyptian communications for israel.they were caught by russian counter intelligence.
    end of story.
    In any event it was to little to late for egypt as its airforce was decimated.

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  • @chris

    Israeli pilots and ground control were stressed and exhausted from ferocious combat and it is not without justification that mistakes could have occurred.
     
    Boy, they must have really been exhausted not to be able to recognize a large American flag after 8 recognizance flights on a clear day on an unarmed ship in international waters. Maybe they had spent too much time on Palestinian chairs the night before to realize they were creating a very convenient causis beli for the US to bail their asses out in case they got into trouble on the battlefield.

    Navies and coast guards around the world plot positions, courses, and speeds all the time. Only the boys in Tell Aviv couldn’t get it right, huh?!

    Of course, they may have been too busy planning aggression, murdering Egyptian POWs, and the like. . . .

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  • I wish to make some observations before I befuddle my mind by looking into the nuclear armed F-4′s.

    First off to the best of my knowledge the F-4 Phantom jets ( the flying bricks as they were called) were not nor could not be equipped with nuclear weapons. But if so, the second question would be what sort of nukes? Would they be limited defensive nukes that were designated to be used on the German border (on the West German side as told to me by minor German military officials back in the 1970′s) to counteract a massive Soviet tank offensive or a full out Nagasaki specials?

    Now, most problematically the authorization for use of nuclear weapons would have to come from the very highest levels, in this case LBJ and ‘Strange’ McNamara. The Pentagram of course would endorse any war any time. They are not in the peace business.

    If so, would anyone in the public domain expect that a fleet Admiral would nuke, say Cairo on his own authority? Of course not but here comes the conundrum, if following orders to do so would the peacocks at the top expect the Admiral to fall on his sword to protect them and say that he went rogue when now the fallout from the fallout could not just land him in a courts martial or the American justice system but indeed the in court of world history?

    Puzzles within puzzles. Though I may be proven wrong I just can’t fathom any nuclear element in the Liberty tragedy. Most likely it was motivated by the impending Syrian situation. Shooting prisoners? Hey that’s just business as usual.

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    The nukes part of the story seems like a disinfo to me. It would be interesting to find out where and when it first appeared.

    We should stick to what we know for sure was true:
    (1) Israel intentionally attacked the USS Liberty
    (2) The orders were to sink her and leave no survivors

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/was-this-the-911-new-jersey-celebration-trump-remembered/#comment-1240650
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  • @Z-man
    Yep.
    It's good that this tragic case is kept alive even if it's in the 'non' main stream media. Fuck Israel and fuck the owned American politician then and now!

    ” . . . Fuck Israel and fuck the owned American politician then and now!”

    A most concise summation!

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    I strive for brevity. (Grin)
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  • @Art
    the USS liberty was attacked by Egyptian MIGs flown by Russian pilots.

    Troll!

    Lol I guess that one went over your head..

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    So many idiots.difficult to know where to start.
    the uss liberty was spying on russia and egyptian communications for israel.they were caught by russian counter intelligence.
    end of story.
    In any event it was to little to late for egypt as its airforce was decimated.
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  • @jilles dykstra
    No.
    Over the years, I read, and heard, documentaries, about the Liberty.
    Over the years a picture emerged.
    It is very clear, McNamara conspired with Israel to kill the Liberty crew to the last man, giving him the excuse to nuke Cairo.
    Israeli incompetence with jamming and rockets bungled it.
    Once the Liberty could send a message that it was under attack by Israel, McNamara had to call back the planes on their way to Cairo, with nukes.
    The idea was to blame the USSR.
    There is information galore on the Liberty, of course there is also disinformation galore.
    As with Sept 11, who is interested, and has an open mind, it is not difficult to see the truth.

    This answers the question i posted about why the aircraft carrier would send 2 bombers to help a boat being attacked by aircraft. It truly is scary knowing that we live in a world were that scenerio is the most likely one.

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  • @Eagle Eye
    Given the availability of radar, radio and visual means, the United States was aware of what was happening in real time.

    The U.S. knew right from the start that the attack was launched by Israel. Moreover, the Israelis themselves knew from the start that there was zero chance of hoodwinking the mighty United States.

    It follows that one of two things must have happened:

    (1) Israel acted with tacit U.S. approval, i.e. LBJ and McNamara intentionally sacrificed the crew for a PR coup to justify the U.S. joining the war against Egypt, but LBJ and McNamara later pulled back and left the USS Liberty crew to die.

    (2) The USS Liberty was found to be passing vital security to the Arabs and had to be neutralized by Israel even at the risk of causing a major rupture in its relations with the U.S.

    Two F-4s left the carrier to come to the Liberty’s aid. Apparently, the jets were armed only with nuclear weapons.
     

    Great emotional argument to rationalize McNamara's abandonment of the USS Liberty crew. Emotional voters will have lapped this up. Factually, the point is completely ridiculous given the locale and practices at the time.

    Even having U.S. aircraft in the vicinity as observers could have made a major difference.

    A boat says its being attacked by planes, so a carrier group sends ONLY 2 planes armed with nuclear bombs. Really? Why would bombers be sent to engage planes? Why only 2 planes instead of a dozen? And why are they armed with nukes? I understand they were there incase they needed to nuke some one or something, the the distress call was for a boat UNDER ATTACK AT SEA FROM JETS! this whole mess screams incompetence and straight bullshit.

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    The Pentagon's (later) story was that the two F-4s were recalled from their ostensible mission to rescue/support the USS Liberty BECAUSE they carried nuclear armaments.

    There are also reports that two A-4s were launched alongside the F-4s.

    As stated earlier, it seems incongruous that nuclear-armed F-4s should have been launched if the aim was to come to the assistance of the USS Liberty. On the other hand, other incidents (Gulf of Tonkin) suggest that Democratic administration (LBJ/McNamara) may have wanted to stage an operation with the aim of involving the U.S. in another war, up to and including the nuking of Cairo under color of retaliation for an ostensible Egyptian attack on the USS Liberty. BTW it is far from clear that such an initiative was not initiated at the Pentagon (as Tonkin was).

    KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE BALL: Whatever did happen, the U.S. had real-time radar, radio and visual intelligence on, whatever the U.S. may have been said in public.

    The U.S. leadership (McNamara and LBJ) could NOT have been hoodwinked for even a microsecond. The U.S. government for whatever reasons obviously directed the later cover-up.

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  • @chris
    Yea, good point Lot, on June 8, 1967 a ship full of crazed Muslim anti-Semites tried to threaten Israel's right to exist by literally trolling its coastline, when brave IDF fighters managed after 6 hours to defend its innocence.

    Thats what i got from this whole piece. Im glad others see it that way too

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  • @nsa
    Jooie Lot was pleased the wifie was turned into a pillar of salt by his omnipotent sky fag deity......he could then hide out in a cave and safely have sex with his daughters. Yup, it's all there in the Jooie Book and the Jooie Book doesn't lie..........

    I dont know how anyone could read the bible or the old testament and not walk away a complete athiest. Its a fucked up book of incest, infanticide, death and just foul human behavior. Plus the god in it is a complete dick.

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  • @MEexpert

    People who do not have anti-Semite priors will realize that horrible accidents happen in the fog of war all the time.
     
    You mean like Holocaust. May be it was an accident of war. Hitler didn't mean to do it.

    I always thought “the holocaust” happened because it was clear the end was coming. Hitler needed to free up soldiers for the 2 defensive fronts, and there were so many soldiers wasting time guarding thousands of civilians who just couldnt be released, they would just become a huge nuisance running thru the countryside. I have no proof of this, it just seems to fit the time line rather well. Plus, nazis treated the prisoners well up untill the end. They were only starved when the german people no longer had access to any food for themselves. So you could say that the british are the true perpetrators of the “holocaust”……

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  • @mcohen
    the cover up had begun.sums it up nicely

    there are those in Russia who remember the USS liberty with fondness.and have a quiet chuckle of how the usa was forced to blame the Israelis to avoid direct conflict with Russia.the USS liberty was attacked by Egyptian MIGs flown by Russian pilots.it was a false flag operation that was repaid towards the end of the war.

    If that was the story, why the secrecy after that the Soviet Union had collapsed?

    Why did the Israelis pay reparations ?

    Israelis have been called many things over the years, but the words: ‘good sports’ I don’t think has crossed any of their critics’ lips.

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  • @ Jaques Sheete,

    Thanks. I do appreciate the commentary on Unz.com in that I quite regularly find out more about a topic than I thought there was to it. In this case it was about the 2 F-4 Phantoms that took off and were nuclear armed. I haven’t had a chance to look into this but if true it potentially puts whole different spin on this ‘war-crime’ by considering deeper motives.

    That is why I get real cross with ( barely concealed) agenda driven time wasters who think that all goys are dumb cattle and no matter how stupid they make themselves look, if they sold you the mattress at the end of the day, they won.

    Cheers-

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  • @Jake
    There were, necessarily, great costs to rebelling against Christendom. And those costs began and will end with Jews being elevated at the expense of Christ.

    The English revealed rather quickly that their 'reformation' meant bringing in Jews to help the few WASP Elites run roughshod over the vast majority of British Isles Christians. The French got their revolution because of a full century and a half of endless trouble from Protestants, virtually all of whom were were at least moderate Anglophiles and pro-Jewish.

    Ideas have consequences.

    The Catholic “Vatican II Ecumenical Council” was also compromised by Jews and Protestants who were brought in to destroy the Catholic faith.
    Absolving the Jews for Christ’s crucifixion and death is but one error. Of course, Jews being Jews, they got others to do their “dirty work” for them; hence Pontius Pilate washing his hands of the whole affair, despite being aware that, if he had not ordered the crucifixion, there would have been Jewish riots. Pilate was “caught between a rock and a hard place”.
    The prohibition of the celebration of the Tridentine Mass was but another casualty. This was done to force Catholics to accept the changes. In recent years, the prohibition on the celebration of this Mass has been relaxed.
    Abolishing Latin in the Mass destroyed the Catholic Church’s “universality”. Prior to Vatican II, a Catholic could celebrate the Mass anywhere in the world, and be familiar with it.
    Turning the priest around to face the congregation changed the priest from being the peoples’ representative to a mere “actor”.
    Fortunately, brave bishops such as Marcel Lefebvre have successfully “pushed back” against the changes…

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  • @Anon
    Half a minute's thought about the idea that Israel's nuclear weapons ate all prepositioned all over the world in major population centres would reveal it as so absurd as to be delusional.

    That you are totally unconcerned about even a shred of rationality is shown by your non sequitur which has the fact that all Israel's nuclear weapons are outside Israel as the reason that it "refuses to account for" them. However just consider what advantage Israel would have if attacked again by a Muslim alliance from having its most potent weapons in Moscow, Tokyo, London, Paris, Rome or wherever rather than available to use against their enemies. Consider the consequences of just one of them being discovered....etc.

    Not absurd at all. Israel’s “weapons of mass destruction” ARE pre-positioned, as that makes the most sense. These weapons have been distributed by the use of the “diplomatic pouch” as well as the utilization of the most effective spy agency in the world–the mossad. (How do you think that all of the demolition equipment was moved into the WTC, pre-9-11)?
    If Israel feels mortally threatened, IT WILL take out a European or American population center–count on it.
    The “Samson Option” is a THREAT to the rest of the world–not just against moslems.
    In fact, moslems and jews are much closer ethnically (and spiritually) than most people realize. When the SHTF and Israel is finally exposed as the one country that has caused much misery (along with its “facilitator”–the USA) throughout the world, you will see jews and moslems unite against their “common enemy”–the rest of the (now enlightened) world.
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    Well I'll grant you your intellectual dash, not to say boldness, in giving the finger to all those UR have-it-all-ways enthusiasts for Koestler's 13th tribe nonsense that Ashkenazim aren't really Semites at all.

    But you need a bit more evidence on the Samson Option involving prepositioning of nukes in major non Arab, non Muslim cities if I am not to believe that your failure to mention your version in the Wikipedia article on the Samson Option is because it is all imagination. True, the article does mention an author who imagines Moscow and othet European cities nuked if there was another Holocaust.

    To try and make sense of your imagined scenario, let's say there are two or three prepositioned nukes in the US and some in England France - plus one or two in ME countries - but with many more in Israel. Whoever uses nukes first let us suppose that Iranian rockets deliver nukes which devastate Tel Aviv and even Jerusalem. Many Iranian, Lebanese and Syrian cities are in ruins from Israeli strikes but Israel's remaining government sees the danger of total annihilation or at any rate a totally insecure future unless the West steps in and, in the last resort, uses the threat of the prepositioned bombs (which it suggests have been placed by extremists who are not totally under control) to force great and powerful protectors to make war on Iran and its allies. One or two bombs are detonated more or less harmlessly to attract serious attention... Have you a better nightmare or fantasy?

    , @HogHappenin
    I think you got that wrong. You need to replace the word 'Muslim' with 'wahabbi' in your assessment. As far as it looks, the Israelis hate the other Muslims as much as the orthodox Christians if not more.

    Looking at Syria/Iraq/Libya/Somalia destroyed/being destroyed and Iran, Lebanon on the pipeline, I think the only 'Good' Muslims that they think are in the region seem to be the oil rich Gulf monarchies, who everybody knows has a back channel link with the Israelis.

    And there is no one Muslim monolithic block. The central Asian 'stanis', though Sunni are firmly under the Russian axis and wish to remain so (they know how Uncle Sam or rather Uncle Schlomo can sell them out for a dime or destroy them if they act too 'independent'). Most shitte ones are very much pro Russia and are sworn enemies of Israel (which never ceases to remind the world of the dangers of 'Terrorism', the one emanating from Iran that is!!). Pakistan is currently torn between the Saudis and the Iranis and made sure they want to remain neutral (although the incentive to go for Saudis is more as they host a very big Pakistani expatriate population sending in the dough). The Bengalis are firmly under the Indian axis and will swing whichever way the Indians tell them to (although there are signs that they are making good of the rivalry between India and China and milking them both).

    I'm curios as to which side the East Asian ones will choose. So no, your analysis leaves much room for correction there!

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  • @mcohen
    the cover up had begun.sums it up nicely

    there are those in Russia who remember the USS liberty with fondness.and have a quiet chuckle of how the usa was forced to blame the Israelis to avoid direct conflict with Russia.the USS liberty was attacked by Egyptian MIGs flown by Russian pilots.it was a false flag operation that was repaid towards the end of the war.

    the USS liberty was attacked by Egyptian MIGs flown by Russian pilots.

    Troll!

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    Lol I guess that one went over your head..
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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst
    The "Samson Option" is very real and contravenes American law, which states that NO FOREIGN AID is to be given to any country that has not signed nuclear non-proliferation treaties. It seems that Israel is the only "exception" to this law.
    Israel refuses to account for its nukes, as they are not in Israel proper, but are "pre-positioned" all over the world, in major population centers, ready to be activated at a moment's notice.
    If people only knew of Israel's treachery and hold that "poor little Israel" has on our world's leaders, and its involvement in almost every "false flag" operation (yes, including the WTC 9-11), it would be turned into a "glass parking lot"... justifiably so...

    Half a minute’s thought about the idea that Israel’s nuclear weapons ate all prepositioned all over the world in major population centres would reveal it as so absurd as to be delusional.

    That you are totally unconcerned about even a shred of rationality is shown by your non sequitur which has the fact that all Israel’s nuclear weapons are outside Israel as the reason that it “refuses to account for” them. However just consider what advantage Israel would have if attacked again by a Muslim alliance from having its most potent weapons in Moscow, Tokyo, London, Paris, Rome or wherever rather than available to use against their enemies. Consider the consequences of just one of them being discovered….etc.

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    Not absurd at all. Israel's "weapons of mass destruction" ARE pre-positioned, as that makes the most sense. These weapons have been distributed by the use of the "diplomatic pouch" as well as the utilization of the most effective spy agency in the world--the mossad. (How do you think that all of the demolition equipment was moved into the WTC, pre-9-11)?
    If Israel feels mortally threatened, IT WILL take out a European or American population center--count on it.
    The "Samson Option" is a THREAT to the rest of the world--not just against moslems.
    In fact, moslems and jews are much closer ethnically (and spiritually) than most people realize. When the SHTF and Israel is finally exposed as the one country that has caused much misery (along with its "facilitator"--the USA) throughout the world, you will see jews and moslems unite against their "common enemy"--the rest of the (now enlightened) world.
    Regards,
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  • @Timur The Lame
    @ Sherman,

    "i've read quite a bit...After 50 years nobody has produced a smoking gun the this was a deliberate attack".

    Wow! You really put the 'hoots' in 'hootspah'. Now I can understand how you and your co-religionists think nothing about publicly making fools of yourselves in the tradition of Adam Kidan and many 'Crazy Joes' out there. Dignity means nothing as long as you are the one counting the shekels at the end of the day.

    I see a mcohen out there who wants to outdo you in disingenuous deflection. I suppose you fear that being circumscribed is the same as being circumcised. Oy it hurts!

    Cheers-

    I see a mcohen out there who wants to outdo you in disingenuous deflection.

    Bingo! Great comments! ROFL.

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  • Another very good article dealing with similar issues…

    http://www.unz.com/nfinkelstein/to-live-or-to-perish/#comment-1895817

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  • @ Sherman,

    “i’ve read quite a bit…After 50 years nobody has produced a smoking gun the this was a deliberate attack”.

    Wow! You really put the ‘hoots’ in ‘hootspah’. Now I can understand how you and your co-religionists think nothing about publicly making fools of yourselves in the tradition of Adam Kidan and many ‘Crazy Joes’ out there. Dignity means nothing as long as you are the one counting the shekels at the end of the day.

    I see a mcohen out there who wants to outdo you in disingenuous deflection. I suppose you fear that being circumscribed is the same as being circumcised. Oy it hurts!

    Cheers-

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    I see a mcohen out there who wants to outdo you in disingenuous deflection.
     
    Bingo! Great comments! ROFL.
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  • @nsa
    Jooie traitors in the USA and France transferred nuclear bomb technology and enriched uranium to the Izzies throughout the late 50s and early 60s. By 1966, the miscreants had several nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them anywhere in the Mideast and ESPECIALLY EUROPE (the so called Samson Option). 1966 is the exact date the Americans and Euroweanies lost control of the vile little monster they had created. From 1966 on, the Izzies could do anything they wanted with no fear of retribution from the West. No conincidence, they decided to make a statement by "accidentally" sinking a hostile intelligence collecting vessel in waters considered too close to their theater of operations.....the same way a pimp has to occasionally coat hangar the most uppity of his whores as an object lesson for all the other girls as to exactly who is in charge. Worked great.....from 1967 on, American ME policy has been dictated by Tel Aviv.

    The “Samson Option” is very real and contravenes American law, which states that NO FOREIGN AID is to be given to any country that has not signed nuclear non-proliferation treaties. It seems that Israel is the only “exception” to this law.
    Israel refuses to account for its nukes, as they are not in Israel proper, but are “pre-positioned” all over the world, in major population centers, ready to be activated at a moment’s notice.
    If people only knew of Israel’s treachery and hold that “poor little Israel” has on our world’s leaders, and its involvement in almost every “false flag” operation (yes, including the WTC 9-11), it would be turned into a “glass parking lot”… justifiably so…

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    Half a minute's thought about the idea that Israel's nuclear weapons ate all prepositioned all over the world in major population centres would reveal it as so absurd as to be delusional.

    That you are totally unconcerned about even a shred of rationality is shown by your non sequitur which has the fact that all Israel's nuclear weapons are outside Israel as the reason that it "refuses to account for" them. However just consider what advantage Israel would have if attacked again by a Muslim alliance from having its most potent weapons in Moscow, Tokyo, London, Paris, Rome or wherever rather than available to use against their enemies. Consider the consequences of just one of them being discovered....etc.
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  • @mcohen
    the cover up had begun.sums it up nicely

    there are those in Russia who remember the USS liberty with fondness.and have a quiet chuckle of how the usa was forced to blame the Israelis to avoid direct conflict with Russia.the USS liberty was attacked by Egyptian MIGs flown by Russian pilots.it was a false flag operation that was repaid towards the end of the war.

    ….the USS liberty was attacked by Egyptian MIGs flown by Russian pilots.

    Talk about kunspiracy theerists, but it does explain Evan Toni…Yup…

    A few years after Attack on the Liberty was originally published, Ennes got a call from Evan Toni, an Israeli pilot. Toni told Ennes that he had just read his book and wanted to tell him his story. Toni said that he was the pilot in the first Israeli Mirage fighter to reach the Liberty. He immediately recognized the ship to be a US Navy vessel. He radioed Israeli air command with this information and asked for instructions. Toni said he was ordered to “attack.” He refused and flew back to the air base at Ashdod. When he arrived he was summarily arrested for disobeying orders.

    How can we be sure it wasn’t Osama bin Laden and the “hijackers” training for 9/11?? ;)

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  • @jilles dykstra
    The declaration was made in Amsterdam, at a WJC congress, chairman Samuel Untermeyer.
    It was not just about an economic boycott, Untermeyer travelled several times to Moscow after the declaration.
    Hans Heinrich Dieckhoff, ´Roosevelt auf Kriegskurs, Amerikas Kreuzzug gegen den Frieden 1933-1941’, Kiel 2003, (´Zur Vorgeschichte des Roosevelt-Krieges’, 1943)
    Also in 1933 FDR recognised the USSR diplomatically, USA technical assistence of the USSR on war preparation began.
    Franz Kurowski, 'Balkenkreuz und Roter Stern, Der Luftkrieg über Russland 1941 - 1944', 1984, Friedberg
    Davies, USA ambassador in Moscou, refused to see the nature of Stalins show trials, despite what Kennan tried to tell him.
    George F. Kennan, ´Memoirs 1925 – 1950’, New York 1967, 1972
    Davies was a nephew of Morgenthau, the man who invented the German guilt for WWI.
    Thomas Fleming, ‘The Illusion of Victory, America in WW I’, New York 2003
    Henry Morgenthau, 'Ambassador Morgenthau's Story', New York, 1918
    Heath W. Lowry, 'The story behind Ambassador Morgenthau's Story', Istanbul 1990

    Liberty, Ockam's Razor: the simplest theory that explains the facts is the best.
    McNamara conspired with Israel to use the destruction of the Liberty by the USSR as a pretext for nuking Cairo.
    The USA's history is one of pretexts, from an unexplained explosion in Havana harbour in 1898 to Boston pressure cookers.

    McNamara conspired with Israel to use the destruction of the Liberty by the USSR as a pretext for nuking Cairo.

    Reminds me of the “Lavon Affair.” And 9/11. And goading the Japanese to attack Pearl, to name a few others.

    Could there be a pattern here somewhere, or am I just some stupid goy kunspiracy theerist? ;)

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  • @Anon
    That is such a richly idiosyncratic take on the English Reformation that it deserves a request for elaboration and elucidation. There were practically no Jews in England during the first 120 years of the Reformation in England and the biggest single factor in the changes brought about by and during the Reformation in Britain was surely the use of English language bibles and prayer books.

    There were practically no Jews in England during the first 120 years of the Reformation in England…

    It’s probably not the number of Jews (or anyone else) that counts, but the number of shekels involved, although it apparently doesn’t take a huge number of either to buy off a few key politicians.

    I agree that more info or at least some references would be most interesting although what he wrote seems more than credible.

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  • @SolontoCroesus

    Get over it…stuff happens.

    per n230099
     

    According to H. Sacher, "get over it" is the antithesis of zionism:

    "THE Zionist movement dates from A.D. 70, the year of the destruction of the Temple and the Jewish State." A Jewish Palestine, by H. Sacher, in Atlantic, July 1919 https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1919/07/a-jewish-palestine/303393/
     
    According to Norman Finkelstein, "get over it" is not the Jewish way:

    "I like the Jews much more. I like their attitude. Do you know what the Jewish attitude is?
    Never to forgive.
    Never to forget.
    I agree with that."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe65-nF3FQ

    Finkelstein's affirmation of the "Jewish attitude" finds its source in Jewish scriptures; specifically, the Psalms of David, #137:

    "If I forget thee o Jerusalem may my right hand be forgotten . . ."

    Never forget:

    "Remember, O Lord, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof."

    And not only "Never forgive" but as an element of worship of the Jewish god, persistently and perpetually the Jewish psalter encourages Jews to seek revenge and the obliteration of the Other: Find your happiness in killing the children of those who thwart your territorial ambitions:


    O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
    Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."
     

    My fellow Catholics and I commemorate the Last Supper every Sunday plus Holy Days of obligation. I don’t think your point is as strong as you think it is.

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  • the cover up had begun.sums it up nicely

    there are those in Russia who remember the USS liberty with fondness.and have a quiet chuckle of how the usa was forced to blame the Israelis to avoid direct conflict with Russia.the USS liberty was attacked by Egyptian MIGs flown by Russian pilots.it was a false flag operation that was repaid towards the end of the war.

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    ....the USS liberty was attacked by Egyptian MIGs flown by Russian pilots.
     
    Talk about kunspiracy theerists, but it does explain Evan Toni...Yup...

    A few years after Attack on the Liberty was originally published, Ennes got a call from Evan Toni, an Israeli pilot. Toni told Ennes that he had just read his book and wanted to tell him his story. Toni said that he was the pilot in the first Israeli Mirage fighter to reach the Liberty. He immediately recognized the ship to be a US Navy vessel. He radioed Israeli air command with this information and asked for instructions. Toni said he was ordered to “attack.” He refused and flew back to the air base at Ashdod. When he arrived he was summarily arrested for disobeying orders.
     
    How can we be sure it wasn't Osama bin Laden and the "hijackers" training for 9/11?? ;)
    , @Art
    the USS liberty was attacked by Egyptian MIGs flown by Russian pilots.

    Troll!
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    If that was the story, why the secrecy after that the Soviet Union had collapsed?

    Why did the Israelis pay reparations ?

    Israelis have been called many things over the years, but the words: 'good sports' I don't think has crossed any of their critics' lips.
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  • @jacques sheete

    War is hell boys…Get over it…stuff happens.
     
    I think you meant "goys" instead of "boys," but the plural is "goyim."

    Anyway if war is hell, then these cats would've done well to remember that.


    Few people know the facts about the singular event that helped spark what ultimately became known as World War II - the international Jewish declaration of war on Germany shortly after Adolf Hitler came to power and well before any official German government sanctions or reprisals against Jews were carried out. The March 24, 1933 issue of The Daily Express of London (shown above) described how Jewish leaders, in combination with powerful international Jewish financial interests, had launched a boycott of Germany for the express purpose of crippling her already precarious economy in the hope of bringing down the new Hitler regime.

    http://rense.com/general84/declare.htm
     

    Can we all forget about "The" holocaust now? Shit happens, ya know.

    The declaration was made in Amsterdam, at a WJC congress, chairman Samuel Untermeyer.
    It was not just about an economic boycott, Untermeyer travelled several times to Moscow after the declaration.
    Hans Heinrich Dieckhoff, ´Roosevelt auf Kriegskurs, Amerikas Kreuzzug gegen den Frieden 1933-1941’, Kiel 2003, (´Zur Vorgeschichte des Roosevelt-Krieges’, 1943)
    Also in 1933 FDR recognised the USSR diplomatically, USA technical assistence of the USSR on war preparation began.
    Franz Kurowski, ‘Balkenkreuz und Roter Stern, Der Luftkrieg über Russland 1941 – 1944′, 1984, Friedberg
    Davies, USA ambassador in Moscou, refused to see the nature of Stalins show trials, despite what Kennan tried to tell him.
    George F. Kennan, ´Memoirs 1925 – 1950’, New York 1967, 1972
    Davies was a nephew of Morgenthau, the man who invented the German guilt for WWI.
    Thomas Fleming, ‘The Illusion of Victory, America in WW I’, New York 2003
    Henry Morgenthau, ‘Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story’, New York, 1918
    Heath W. Lowry, ‘The story behind Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story’, Istanbul 1990

    Liberty, Ockam’s Razor: the simplest theory that explains the facts is the best.
    McNamara conspired with Israel to use the destruction of the Liberty by the USSR as a pretext for nuking Cairo.
    The USA’s history is one of pretexts, from an unexplained explosion in Havana harbour in 1898 to Boston pressure cookers.

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    McNamara conspired with Israel to use the destruction of the Liberty by the USSR as a pretext for nuking Cairo.
     
    Reminds me of the "Lavon Affair." And 9/11. And goading the Japanese to attack Pearl, to name a few others.

    Could there be a pattern here somewhere, or am I just some stupid goy kunspiracy theerist? ;)
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  • @chris

    America first
     
    did you really vote for Trump?

    Yes.

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  • denk says:

    uncle sham abetting in the killing of its own citizens ?

    Par for the course !

    Every two bit tyrant who’s in uncle sham’s good book is licensed to kill…..even murkkans !

    ‘A 1976 internal report of the State Department said the Chilean government “might have believed this American [Horman] could be killed without negative fallout from the US government.” And, “US intelligence may have played an unfortunate part in Horman’s death.”

    The report suggests that he was fingered for the Pinochet regime by a CIA officer undercover as a consular official.’

    https://www.commondreams.org/view/022500-104.htm

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