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    In the movie Hidden Figures Americans are being brainwashed with the Fake History that we couldn’t have made it to the moon without sassy black women doing the math. Paul Kersey has already pointed out that the flight path trajectory was actually developed by a white Southerner, Dr. Jack Crenshaw. But there’s an even more...
  • @Christopher Marlowe
    Thank you Paul C. No one has been to the moon. It was a HOAX. That is why we never built a base and we haven't been back. NASA is huge Masonic rip-off organization. Billions of dollars spent for what exactly? The ISS is fake. The Mars rovers are fake.

    People are hypnotized into thinking everything on TV is real. Planes slicing into the WTC when the wings should be sheared off. Astronauts bouncing in slow motion when they should move at normal speed.

    Our inability to discern reality explains why the US can train and equip "ISIS" and use them to topple governments, and then pretend to fight against them at the same time. But if you DOUBT it, then you are a CONSPIRACY THEORIST. Oh shudder the thought. Most of society has forgotten how to reason, but instead we cling to political correctness.

    Please read this document. There will be some questions when you’re finished.

    https://history.nasa.gov/ap12fj/pdf/a12_sa507-flightmanual.pdf

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  • @Christopher Marlowe
    Thank you Paul C. No one has been to the moon. It was a HOAX. That is why we never built a base and we haven't been back. NASA is huge Masonic rip-off organization. Billions of dollars spent for what exactly? The ISS is fake. The Mars rovers are fake.

    People are hypnotized into thinking everything on TV is real. Planes slicing into the WTC when the wings should be sheared off. Astronauts bouncing in slow motion when they should move at normal speed.

    Our inability to discern reality explains why the US can train and equip "ISIS" and use them to topple governments, and then pretend to fight against them at the same time. But if you DOUBT it, then you are a CONSPIRACY THEORIST. Oh shudder the thought. Most of society has forgotten how to reason, but instead we cling to political correctness.

    Seen this:

    http://realitysandwich.com/23226/kubrick_apollo/

    Whether or not the landings themselves were fake, it’s definitely plausible that the filmings were fake, to facilitate their propaganda value (NASA is nothing more than a glorified propaganda office).

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  • @Paul C.
    This article suggests we went to the moon. I highly doubt it. These clips (below) do not show 3 astronauts who landed on the moon and participated in the greatest technological achievement. Rather they show 3 pawns perpetuating a fraud.

    In the last clip, Armstrong speaks of what potential there is if we can "remove one of truth's protective layers". I have to assume he's referring to Freemasonry and hidden knowledge (lies).



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcKLAo62Ro&t=18s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwPYl7a9Yuk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3s8gBoaKg0&t=98s

    Thank you Paul C. No one has been to the moon. It was a HOAX. That is why we never built a base and we haven’t been back. NASA is huge Masonic rip-off organization. Billions of dollars spent for what exactly? The ISS is fake. The Mars rovers are fake.

    People are hypnotized into thinking everything on TV is real. Planes slicing into the WTC when the wings should be sheared off. Astronauts bouncing in slow motion when they should move at normal speed.

    Our inability to discern reality explains why the US can train and equip “ISIS” and use them to topple governments, and then pretend to fight against them at the same time. But if you DOUBT it, then you are a CONSPIRACY THEORIST. Oh shudder the thought. Most of society has forgotten how to reason, but instead we cling to political correctness.

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    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    Seen this:

    http://realitysandwich.com/23226/kubrick_apollo/

    Whether or not the landings themselves were fake, it's definitely plausible that the filmings were fake, to facilitate their propaganda value (NASA is nothing more than a glorified propaganda office).
    , @Of course it was
    Please read this document. There will be some questions when you're finished.

    https://history.nasa.gov/ap12fj/pdf/a12_sa507-flightmanual.pdf
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  • @War for Blair Mountain
    The Star Wars laser battle system was a direct threat to Russia...it was a crucial component of a pre-emptive first strike against Russia-Soviet Union which forced the Soviet Union to go to launch-0n-warning...we were a flock-of-seaguls..or pidgeons away from thermonuclear mass murder-it almost happened during the "glorious" Ronnie Reagan years.

    And Hindoos, Chinese, Koreans & Sikhs were responsible for it… Ain’t that right there Brokeback Mountain?

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  • @J1234

    Arthur Rudolph died in Germany in 1996 at the age of 89, depressed and homesick for the U.S, which he was never allowed even to visit again. His wife Martha died in 1999 at the age of 93. Their daughter still lives in California.

    I believe that America should be ashamed.
     

    In my late teens or early twenties, one of my friends told me his dad had been a member of the SS in eastern Europe (my friend's parents had immigrated to the US after the war.) He also told me that if the US government ever found out, his dad would be deported, and made me promise not to turn him in. Of course, I made the promise and lived up to it. In the part of the world that my my friend's parents came from, it was the Soviets who were rightly seen as the biggest threat to their existence, not the Germans, and many took up arms against them in whatever fashion they could. How could the Americans not realize this?

    Well, they did realize it. They were being subjected to outside influences, however, as the illegitimate legal persecution of John Demjanjuk and the bombing murder of Tscherum Soobzokov in New Jersey and the coinciding murder of Elmars Sprogis in New York proved.


    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1992-05-24/news/1992145038_1_knesset-manning-jerusalem/2

    “The O.S.I. attorneys acted with reckless disregard for their duty to the court . . .”

    Just to underscore your point, here are excerpts from the stinging rebuke that a Federal appeals panel issued in 1993 about the OSI in the Demjanjuk case:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/18/us/excerpts-from-appeals-panel-ruling-in-demjanjuk-s-case-against-the-us.html

    Among the criticisms:

    Thus, we hold that the O.S.I. attorneys acted with reckless disregard for the truth and for the Government’s obligation to take no steps that prevent an adversary from presenting his case fully and fairly. This was fraud on the court in the circumstances of this case where, by recklessly assuming Demjanjuk’s guilt, they failed to observe their obligation to produce exculpatory materials requested by Demjanjuk. . . .

    It is obvious from the record that the prevailing mindset at O.S.I. was that the office must try to please and maintain very close relationships with various interest groups because their continued existence depended upon it.

    The “win at any cost” attitude displayed by some of these record documents and statements contrasts sharply with the attitude and actions of the Israeli prosecutors, who were under domestic political pressures themselves. But for the actions of the Israeli prosecutors, the death sentence against Demjanjuk probably would have been carried out by now. He would have been executed on a charge for which he has now been acquitted.

    Perpetrated fraud on a Federal court? And these people kept their jobs???

    We all know why.

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  • Arthur Rudolph died in Germany in 1996 at the age of 89, depressed and homesick for the U.S, which he was never allowed even to visit again. His wife Martha died in 1999 at the age of 93. Their daughter still lives in California.

    I believe that America should be ashamed.

    In my late teens or early twenties, one of my friends told me his dad had been a member of the SS in eastern Europe (my friend’s parents had immigrated to the US after the war.) He also told me that if the US government ever found out, his dad would be deported, and made me promise not to turn him in. Of course, I made the promise and lived up to it. In the part of the world that my my friend’s parents came from, it was the Soviets who were rightly seen as the biggest threat to their existence, not the Germans, and many took up arms against them in whatever fashion they could. How could the Americans not realize this?

    Well, they did realize it. They were being subjected to outside influences, however, as the illegitimate legal persecution of John Demjanjuk and the bombing murder of Tscherum Soobzokov in New Jersey and the coinciding murder of Elmars Sprogis in New York proved.

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1992-05-24/news/1992145038_1_knesset-manning-jerusalem/2

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    "The O.S.I. attorneys acted with reckless disregard for their duty to the court . . ."

    Just to underscore your point, here are excerpts from the stinging rebuke that a Federal appeals panel issued in 1993 about the OSI in the Demjanjuk case:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/18/us/excerpts-from-appeals-panel-ruling-in-demjanjuk-s-case-against-the-us.html

    Among the criticisms:

    Thus, we hold that the O.S.I. attorneys acted with reckless disregard for the truth and for the Government's obligation to take no steps that prevent an adversary from presenting his case fully and fairly. This was fraud on the court in the circumstances of this case where, by recklessly assuming Demjanjuk's guilt, they failed to observe their obligation to produce exculpatory materials requested by Demjanjuk. . . .

    It is obvious from the record that the prevailing mindset at O.S.I. was that the office must try to please and maintain very close relationships with various interest groups because their continued existence depended upon it.

    The "win at any cost" attitude displayed by some of these record documents and statements contrasts sharply with the attitude and actions of the Israeli prosecutors, who were under domestic political pressures themselves. But for the actions of the Israeli prosecutors, the death sentence against Demjanjuk probably would have been carried out by now. He would have been executed on a charge for which he has now been acquitted.
     
    Perpetrated fraud on a Federal court? And these people kept their jobs???

    We all know why.
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  • @Anonymous
    What should alarm us is not that a story like Hidden figures's is told, but that a reasonably fair share of watchers will believe it true, or, like it's customary to say these days, credible.

    What should alarm us is that the whole Nazi space program has fooled the world for decades. This Black and White argument is moot in comparison and just furthers the Hoax. Just a few minutes of diligent research will prove that no man ever went to the moon or ventured out of low earth orbit where the “ISIS” space station and the Shuttle operate. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=a+funny+thing+happened+on+the+way+to+the+moon Traitors, all of them ! http://theconspiracyzone.podcastpeople.com/posts/27709

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  • NASA has done so very little of any real value or good work since, perhaps that is because they put these incompetent black women in charge of something they were unable to accomplish, paid them very well and they are there to this very day doing nothing. They probably stole the laptops like the TSA , then invented global warming.

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  • PLEASE REPUBLISH
    —————————
    Their monotheistic ONE & ONLY god is a WAR god.
    The Jews BRAG about and SELF DOCUMENT THEIR “holocausting” others and then “PLACE A YOKE” on Gentiles for SUPPOSEDLY doing the exact same thing to them.
    FUNNY that everything they claim the nazis did is an EXACT COPY of their own book..
    Deuteronomy 7:16, 20:16 “And thou shalt consume all the peoples which the Lord thy God shall deliver unto thee; thine eye shall not pity them…thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth.”

    [MORE]

    KILL THE SICK and CRIPPLED
    Numbers c.5 v.2-4
    KILL HOMOSEXUALS & UNDESIRABLES
    Leviticus c.20 v.13 well, really the whole chapter
    KILL ALL DISSIDENTS:
    Exodus c.32 v.27
    Numbers c.11 v.1-2
    Numbers c.16 all
    Numbers c.21 v.5-6
    Numbers v.26 v.10
    KILL anyone who engages in “DIVERSITY” or “INTEGRATION”
    Numbers v25 v.4-8
    Deuteronomy c.14 v.2
    DEHUMANIZE and then EXTERMINATE ALL NON-MEMBERS:
    SEXUALLY ENSLAVE any females “who have not KNOWN a man”
    a very brief selection, many more in THEIR book.
    Numbers c.21 v.03 Canaanites
    Numbers c.21 v.24 Amorites
    Numbers c.21 v.33-35 Bashan
    Numbers c.31 all Midianites
    Numbers c.32 v. more Amorites
    Deuteronomy c.2 v.34 People of Heshbon
    Deuteronomy c.3 v.6 really the whole chapter. threescore cities
    Joshua c.12 A list of victims of Israeli GENOCIDE
    OCCUPY YOUR VICTIM’S DWELLINGS/LAND
    Numbers c.21 v.25
    Numbers c.32 v.39
    Numbers c.33 v.53
    (just to name a FEW)
    GENOCIDE CODIFIED IN THEIR RELIGION
    Numbers c.33 v.31-34
    Deuteronomy c.7 v.2
    Deuteronomy c.12 v.28-30
    Deuteronomy c.20 v.11-16
    TERRORISM CODIFIED IN THEIR RELIGION
    Deuteronomy c.2 v.2
    Deuteronomy c.7 v.1
    Jews SELF-anointed “The CHOSEN People of GOD”
    Nazis SELF-anointed “The CHOSEN People of GENETICS”.
    TODAY Israel states that it is creating “A PURE Jewish State”
    YESTERDAY the Nazis were creating “A PURE German State”
    And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword . . . (Joshua 6:21)
    For modern day reinforcement of these “rules” research/google “the KINGS TORAH”

    P.S.
    By the way —-
    Book of Numbers Chap 31 —- Human sacrifice of 32 WOMEN
    [40] And the persons were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD’s tribute was thirty and two persons.
    [41] And Moses gave the tribute, which was the LORD’s heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the LORD commanded Moses.
    ” the LORD’s tribute was thirty and two persons.”
    “the tribute, which was the LORD’s heave offering”
    a “heave offering” was the dismembered quarter of the sacrifice HEAVED into the air.

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  • ALL the Soros Family money should be forfeit ….. it was founded on money stolen from Jewish victims of the Holocaust and should ALL be handed over as reparations ———— Or was there NO holocaust?! There was NO holocaust — if there had been Israel & Jews everywhere would be DEMANDING George Soros be HANGED. Soros’ multi $BILLION fortune was started on supposedly stolen Jewish property, and yet NOT A PEEP out of Israel?! Why are janitors and clerks persecuted but Soros walks free and BRAGS about it!? No demands Soros’ money be turned over to holocaust survivors? !

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  • @SolontoCroesus

    actively assisted the Nazis in tracking down and rounding up Jews, and how sympathetic many were with their occupiers. This is particularly noted with reference to Holland and France.
     
    Poland should be added to that list.* See, for example,

    New book examines Poles who killed Jews during WWII
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-book-examines-poles-who-killed-jews-during-wwii/

    and from the other side (a place far too many Jews are loathe to explore),

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-obstacle-to-peace/#comment-1556829

    David Engel's lectures, "Understanding the Holocaust," reprise a thesis advanced by Timothy Snyder in "Black Earth;" namely, the fact that Germans did not carry out much of the killing of Jews, but were culpable, nevertheless, because they caused the breakdown of the political order that unleashed the vengeance of Poles, the Dutch, the French, etc. who did kill Jews. **

    Neither Engel nor Snyder perform the necessary self-examination of why it was that this ethnic hatred was so intense.

    In yet another indication of the value of the Unz forum, participant De Gaulle looked in that mirror; offered a candid (and courageous) reflection on what was seen; and asked critical questions about how the Jewish community should think about itself and how the non-Jewish community should more critically understand and question their own perceptions of Jews, as individuals and as a collective.

    * It should also be noted that Jews did more than their share of "gleeful" killing of Poles, Germans, Ukrainians, Italians and Frenchmen.

    ** Dr. Andrew Joyce prefaced a review of David Cesarini's "Final Solution: The Fate of the Jews, 1933-1949," with an exploration of precisely that concept: that ethnic tensions were extremely high between Jews and the native populations in places where they dwelt, and bound to erupt sooner or later. (That lengthy essay has since disappeared from the Occidental Observer website; one hopes Dr. Joyce is polishing it for later publication. )

    The most thought-provoking statement I’ve come across about the dynamics of Jew/Gentile conflict over the centuries was this speech by Sam Dickson introducing Prof. Kevin MacDonald in 2004:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20050307134327/http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/jllp1/jllp-sd.html

    I had to acknowledge that I had pretty much been raised on the premises he calls into question, and had never really been challenged to examine them. I don’t yet understand the historical implications, but one has to start somewhere. :-)

    The sad thing is, that there really is no practical way for Jews and Gentiles to constructively engage and talk through the causes of discontent–largely because the Jews won’t allow it. (“Oh! Oh! Anti-Semitism! Anti-Semitism!”) And they seem disinclined from honest self-assessment and self-criticism. There are notable exceptions of course, like the great Rabbi Daniel Lapin: http://web.archive.org/web/20050131034311/http://www.towardtradition.org/our_worst_enemy.htm

    Yet a constructive and robust engagement is most urgently needed! Without it, it’s like a pot on a stove slowly being brought to boil, with the lid on. Eventually, that lid is going to blow off, and the reaction then will based, not on rational thought, but instead on primal rage.

    I would not say that the reaction is always (or ever) justifiable, only that it’s inevitable.

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  • @JTL
    Well on your latter point, it's just Jewish propaganda but also some anti-Jewish propaganda that spreads this.

    I have seen Jew haters gleefully asserting how so many in the occupied countries actively assisted the Nazis in tracking down and rounding up Jews, and how sympathetic many were with their occupiers. This is particularly noted with reference to Holland and France.

    So who's right and who's wrong?

    actively assisted the Nazis in tracking down and rounding up Jews, and how sympathetic many were with their occupiers. This is particularly noted with reference to Holland and France.

    Poland should be added to that list.* See, for example,

    New book examines Poles who killed Jews during WWII

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-book-examines-poles-who-killed-jews-during-wwii/

    and from the other side (a place far too many Jews are loathe to explore),

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-obstacle-to-peace/#comment-1556829

    David Engel’s lectures, “Understanding the Holocaust,” reprise a thesis advanced by Timothy Snyder in “Black Earth;” namely, the fact that Germans did not carry out much of the killing of Jews, but were culpable, nevertheless, because they caused the breakdown of the political order that unleashed the vengeance of Poles, the Dutch, the French, etc. who did kill Jews. **

    Neither Engel nor Snyder perform the necessary self-examination of why it was that this ethnic hatred was so intense.

    In yet another indication of the value of the Unz forum, participant De Gaulle looked in that mirror; offered a candid (and courageous) reflection on what was seen; and asked critical questions about how the Jewish community should think about itself and how the non-Jewish community should more critically understand and question their own perceptions of Jews, as individuals and as a collective.

    * It should also be noted that Jews did more than their share of “gleeful” killing of Poles, Germans, Ukrainians, Italians and Frenchmen.

    ** Dr. Andrew Joyce prefaced a review of David Cesarini’s “Final Solution: The Fate of the Jews, 1933-1949,” with an exploration of precisely that concept: that ethnic tensions were extremely high between Jews and the native populations in places where they dwelt, and bound to erupt sooner or later. (That lengthy essay has since disappeared from the Occidental Observer website; one hopes Dr. Joyce is polishing it for later publication. )

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    The most thought-provoking statement I've come across about the dynamics of Jew/Gentile conflict over the centuries was this speech by Sam Dickson introducing Prof. Kevin MacDonald in 2004:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20050307134327/http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/jllp1/jllp-sd.html

    I had to acknowledge that I had pretty much been raised on the premises he calls into question, and had never really been challenged to examine them. I don't yet understand the historical implications, but one has to start somewhere. :-)

    The sad thing is, that there really is no practical way for Jews and Gentiles to constructively engage and talk through the causes of discontent--largely because the Jews won't allow it. ("Oh! Oh! Anti-Semitism! Anti-Semitism!") And they seem disinclined from honest self-assessment and self-criticism. There are notable exceptions of course, like the great Rabbi Daniel Lapin: http://web.archive.org/web/20050131034311/http://www.towardtradition.org/our_worst_enemy.htm

    Yet a constructive and robust engagement is most urgently needed! Without it, it's like a pot on a stove slowly being brought to boil, with the lid on. Eventually, that lid is going to blow off, and the reaction then will based, not on rational thought, but instead on primal rage.

    I would not say that the reaction is always (or ever) justifiable, only that it's inevitable.

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  • @Alden
    According to Jewish publications and histories of WW2, Jews were the only people who suffered in WW2. The peoples of the other countries invaded by the Germans, Dutch, Poles, French etc persecuted the Jews as badly as did the Germans.
    Jews now call it The European Holocaust. Even neutral Spain, Portugual and Sweden cheered on the persecution of the Jews according to the latest Jewish lying propaganda.

    Well on your latter point, it’s just Jewish propaganda but also some anti-Jewish propaganda that spreads this.

    I have seen Jew haters gleefully asserting how so many in the occupied countries actively assisted the Nazis in tracking down and rounding up Jews, and how sympathetic many were with their occupiers. This is particularly noted with reference to Holland and France.

    So who’s right and who’s wrong?

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    actively assisted the Nazis in tracking down and rounding up Jews, and how sympathetic many were with their occupiers. This is particularly noted with reference to Holland and France.
     
    Poland should be added to that list.* See, for example,

    New book examines Poles who killed Jews during WWII
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-book-examines-poles-who-killed-jews-during-wwii/

    and from the other side (a place far too many Jews are loathe to explore),

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-obstacle-to-peace/#comment-1556829

    David Engel's lectures, "Understanding the Holocaust," reprise a thesis advanced by Timothy Snyder in "Black Earth;" namely, the fact that Germans did not carry out much of the killing of Jews, but were culpable, nevertheless, because they caused the breakdown of the political order that unleashed the vengeance of Poles, the Dutch, the French, etc. who did kill Jews. **

    Neither Engel nor Snyder perform the necessary self-examination of why it was that this ethnic hatred was so intense.

    In yet another indication of the value of the Unz forum, participant De Gaulle looked in that mirror; offered a candid (and courageous) reflection on what was seen; and asked critical questions about how the Jewish community should think about itself and how the non-Jewish community should more critically understand and question their own perceptions of Jews, as individuals and as a collective.

    * It should also be noted that Jews did more than their share of "gleeful" killing of Poles, Germans, Ukrainians, Italians and Frenchmen.

    ** Dr. Andrew Joyce prefaced a review of David Cesarini's "Final Solution: The Fate of the Jews, 1933-1949," with an exploration of precisely that concept: that ethnic tensions were extremely high between Jews and the native populations in places where they dwelt, and bound to erupt sooner or later. (That lengthy essay has since disappeared from the Occidental Observer website; one hopes Dr. Joyce is polishing it for later publication. )

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  • FDR’s machinations were responsible for the outbreak of world war in 1939.

    Sources:

    Herbert Hoover:

    http://bionicmosquito.blogspot.com/2012/05/poland-as-pawn-hoover-identifies.html

    Roosevelt and Bullitt were the major factors in the British making their guarantees to Poland and becoming involved in the war. Kennedy said that Bullitt, under instructions from Roosevelt, was constantly urging the Poles not to make terms with the Germans and that he Kennedy, under instructions from Roosevelt, was constantly urging the British to make guarantees to the Poles.

    He said that after Chamberlain had given these guarantees, Chamberlain told him (Kennedy) that he hoped the Americans and the Jews would now be satisfied but that he (Chamberlain) felt that he had signed the doom of civilization.

    Kennedy said that if it had not been for Roosevelt the British would not have made this most gigantic blunder in history.

    Kennedy told me that he thought Roosevelt was in communication with Churchill, who was the leader of the opposition to Chamberlain, before Chamberlain was thrown out of office….

    Respected mainstream liberal Jewish historian:

    https://www.amazon.com/review/R1G7H48SQQAXD8/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1557780218&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=283155&store=books

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  • @SolontoCroesus
    O/T but worth it --

    Y'all have got to click on this web page --

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/155723690911/the-master-persuader-scrambles-the-frame

    When Trump made the comparison of the 35 pages to "something Nazi Germany did," you could see the wheels turning in his head; you just knew he said just that for some very deliberate purpose.

    Stcott Adams explained it -- he understands Trump's ability to persuade. Adams said that having been compared to Hitler so many times, Trump had only one successful course of action -- not to defend, not to join in the gang-bang, but to "Scramble the frame."

    That's cool enough, but the amazing thing is in the comments: one after another after another joke and pun and put-down of every Hitler-Nazi related meme we've been bombarded with for the last century.

    LAUGH at the idiots who have made a handsome living flogging holocaustism!

    Here's a sample:


    The press seem to be goebbeling it up.
    And goering up for a response.
    Trump is indeed the tip of the speer.
    "Hun puns?"
    These puns need a final solution.
    If these puns are bad, Mein Kampf get any worse.
    Anyone else feel like people here are just Stalin for time?

    they are Berlin down the house!
    That rates two gins, and Teutonics.

    My wife on our wedding day was Dresden white. Then the planes came.
    So everyone got bombed at your wedding.
    No, but they were definitely gassed


    Justice 4 Germans, the true victims of a holocaust.

    Oddly enough, the CIA action against Trump bears a lot of resemblance to the Fritsch affair in NS Germany, but then that’s the sort of thing intelligence agencies do:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blomberg%E2%80%93Fritsch_affair#Fritsch

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  • @JTL
    Plus, the existence and mission of the Office of Special Investigation lends credence to those who believe the American government has been infiltrated by a Zionist cabal with interests that occasionally diverge from American interests.

    It would be hard to prove otherwise in this case. Consider for instance the scope of the Holtzman Amendment (named for a Jewish congresswoman) that created OSI. It empowered the new office to deport those who "during the period beginning on March 23, 1933, and ending on May 8, 1945, under the direction of, or in association with -- (A) the Nazi government of Germany, (B) any government in any area occupied by the military force of the Nazi government of Germany, (C) any government established with the assistance or cooperation of the Nazi government of Germany, or (D) any government which was an ally of the Nazi government of Germany, ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person because of race, religion, national origin, or political opinion."

    Mr. McInnish in his book (p. 127) noted "the narrowness of its aim" and observed that "Offenses committed under the Russian government, for instance, are not covered, nor are offenses committed under the Nazi government if they were committed, say, by one Nazi against another because of rivalry or greed."

    In other words, it applies only to those who were the enemies of the Jews. And the OSI operated without any real oversight or accountability. After Col. Bill Winterstein (who fought his own crusade in this matter) requested the Rudolph file from OSI, the U.S. Congress within two months passed a rider that specifically exempted OSI from FOIA requests!

    The Israel Lobby is all over this. The bigots who harrased Dr. Rudolph out of the country would not fare well in a real investigation. The Lobby will never allow this to happen.

    Thanks. A former OSI prosecutor spoke at our local Podunk Tech maybe a decade ago. The student newspaper account had him loading his language with stuff to the effect that IBM, Ford Motor, etc. conspired with Hitler, abetted the Third Reich, all that, prior to Hitler’s declaration of war on America. The audience, I clearly recall, was reported as having gasped. Gasped at what, I thought. You’re an American company selling office equipment and auto parts in a foreign country with whom your nation is at peace and has diplomatic relations. Big deal.

    We Americans are likely paying a serious price in political credibility for this OSI stuff, boycott talk, and a whole mess of other Zionist-type “particularism” that’s been grafted on to American political discourse. I’m not even a big follower of news about Israel, AIPAC, and what-not, but a recent effort in the Ohio legislature to require that Ohio businesses declare whether they’re boycotting Israel seems to me grasping, aggrandizing stuff.

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  • @SolontoCroesus
    utu,

    I watched from start to finish the video you linked, above

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=k8kh_X-7ojY

    It was difficult to watch.

    The narrator described how German civilians were forced to walk through "extermination camps" and view "lampshades and soap made of Jewish flesh" etc.

    We know those things were the basest of frauds.
    If they were lies, what else has been lied about?

    The documentary was a BBC production, and Unz readers may know that the British ran the propaganda campaign that conned Americans into supporting a war --

    American Pravda: Alexander Cockburn and the British Spies, by RON UNZ
    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-alexander-cockburn-and-the-british-spies/

    and

    The Conquest of the United States by Britain ... with a little help from her friends
    by STEPHEN J. SNIEGOSKI
    http://www.unz.com/article/the-conquest-of-the-united-states-by-britain/

    As posted earlier, the Allies lied about Nordhausen, and Jews participated in the lie. The lies about Nordhausen, rendered in photographs, were one of the elements used to damn German leaders and soldiers to death at Nuremberg.

    I've posted on Unz forum more than one time information about the complicity of Erich Mendelsohn and other Jewish architects, as well as set designers from Jewish studios in Hollywood, in planning, perfecting and rehearsing the deliberate destruction by firebombing of German civilian workers' housing. The plan called for the incineration of a "young German family, including an infant in a crib." These plans are far more specific than Wannsee Protocols, and we know for a fact that they were carried out.

    I know from simply studying the timeline of events and Jewish, British, and FDR's activities that those parties were knee-deep in provoking a war well before Hitler or NS suggested even a whiff of malice -- several Jewish authors concede as much.

    The Jewish Telegraph Agency (JTA) archives contains about 37 reports, during the war years, of Jews being aided by Russians to find shelter in Soviet states for the duration of the war. One of those locations was on the Volga -- farming communities that had been settled by Germans, on invitation of Catherine the Great, but from which those Germans, about 700,000 of them, were expelled by Russia in ~1940.
    The JTA reports state that about 1.8 million Jews were thus harbored in Russia.

    Further reports reveal that those 1.8 million Jews then filtered back into Germany, claiming to be holocaust survivors. They demanded financial assistance from UNRRA to support them as they settled in Palestine.

    Alison Weir's book, Against Our Better Judgment, and Stephen Sniegoski's review of it on Unz, reveal the extent of zionist Jewish connivance at the highest levels to exploit US blood and treasure to wage war on Germany and support the Jewish takeover of Palestine.

    Two weeks ago the Unz forum posted information from Tom Suarez's book on how zionists used terrorism to displace Palestinian Arabs and take over the land. http://www.unz.com/article/terrorism-how-the-israeli-state-was-won/

    Suarez tells the story of Jewish terrorism from the Palestinian Arab perspective. A recent monograph by Robert Lackner, titled Zionist Terrorism and Imperial Response; British Policies towards Jewish Resistance in Palestine 1944-1948 expands on the narrative of Jewish terror, from the perspective of British troops who bled and died attempting to maintain order in Mandate Palestine.

    We know that the Nuremberg trials were a travesty.

    We know that there were no gas chambers to exterminate Jews, and we know that the numbers of dead Jews has been wildly exaggerated and unsubstantiated by credible third-party sources such as the International Red Cross.

    We know from physical evidence that 70% of German cities, towns, villages were deliberately destroyed by Allied firebombing.

    We know from the BBC film that "26 million Germans" were displaced from their homes -- that's nearly 40% of the pre-war population of Germany.

    We know from books such as Cora Sol Goldstein's "Capturing the German Eye" that for over four years after the war ended, Germans were subjected to intense and brutal psychological warfare including atrocity propaganda and the destruction of their own cultural icons and German communal mythologies.

    We know from Freda Utley's first-hand accounts that US forces (as well as French, British and Russian, as well as Jews) treated the surrendered German nation with utmost brutality, causing the deaths of at least 3 million Germans after the war.

    How much more do we need to know before we start to demand that the real history be told and that the real criminals be brought to justice?

    “…death of at least 3 million Germans after the war…”

    “After the war” (presumably 8th of May 1945) another 15 million Germans got killed through the allied hyenas instructed by their Jewish masters.

    The Americans alone are responsible for the murder of over 2 million surrendered German soldiers at Rheinwiesen. Lest we shall forget!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    (General Paton was disgusted. That’s why the Jew Roosevelt had him killed.)

    The murdering has not stopped to this very day.

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  • And the biggest ticket sales go to educated White women. As Ann Coulter said, without the women vote, Democrats would never win elections. Same with Blacks and Browns.

    I can never forget the openings of the Oprah and Rosie shows and the shrieking welcomes from educated middle class women, thoroughly and easily brainwashed in “higher education”.

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  • @JTL
    The forced laborers at Peenemunde were mostly Russians. I have not seen any documented reference to Jews there--which doesn't mean there weren't any, but probably very few.

    The Mittelwerk is another matter. Jews were not allow into the V2 factory there at all. There were said to be 21 or so different ethnic groups represented, but they were evidently mostly French nationals as reflected in the bulk of the testimonies at the Dachau trials.

    This fact doesn't stop contrary claims from being made. Last year I saw an article in the LA Times where a "journalist" flat out accused von Braun of "killing 20,000 Jews." Some Jewish publications make similar claims.

    I can only say that the Holocaust was surely bad enough for the Jews that they shouldn't have to claim other peoples' victim status as well.

    According to Jewish publications and histories of WW2, Jews were the only people who suffered in WW2. The peoples of the other countries invaded by the Germans, Dutch, Poles, French etc persecuted the Jews as badly as did the Germans.
    Jews now call it The European Holocaust. Even neutral Spain, Portugual and Sweden cheered on the persecution of the Jews according to the latest Jewish lying propaganda.

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    Well on your latter point, it's just Jewish propaganda but also some anti-Jewish propaganda that spreads this.

    I have seen Jew haters gleefully asserting how so many in the occupied countries actively assisted the Nazis in tracking down and rounding up Jews, and how sympathetic many were with their occupiers. This is particularly noted with reference to Holland and France.

    So who's right and who's wrong?
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  • @Ivan
    No no Mao was a shrinking choir boy. All those 29 to 50 million dead was just CIA agitprop. I'm glad to know that the mere mention of Cee-Eye-Aye absolves the Communists of their crimes.

    hah, hold the pants. :P all I am saying is the number is not accurate :) hahaha I love how your comment still used those CIA numbers :)))

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  • @Astuteobservor II
    http://monthlyreview.org/commentary/did-mao-really-kill-millions-in-the-great-leap-forward/

    after your comment I got curious. apparently there is no clear answer. just CIA funded numbers doing the rounds even now :)

    No no Mao was a shrinking choir boy. All those 29 to 50 million dead was just CIA agitprop. I’m glad to know that the mere mention of Cee-Eye-Aye absolves the Communists of their crimes.

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    hah, hold the pants. :P all I am saying is the number is not accurate :) hahaha I love how your comment still used those CIA numbers :)))
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  • @Magda Voigt
    To AABs,
    to All Amercan Bastards,
    you know nothing about Germany and Hitler.
    All you failed bastards know is jewish propaganda!
    With no right in the world you attacked us in WW1.
    Wilson, the crook, robbed and betrayed us in peace and prepared WW2.
    WW2 was forced upon us by your ugly jewish bastards too and you all hailed the ugly jew and his evil lies, because it was good business. It helped you overcome 20 % unemployment and gather incredible loot.
    You helped destroy the best people in the world in order to put yourself above us like the murder stands over the victim.
    What are you?
    Nothing but murderous thieves!
    The way you murdered and stole from the American natives, the same you murdered us and exploite Germany to this very day. Hence you and your jewish "partners" needed to create the "Shoa" to legalize your evil crimes your cry "bad Germans".
    Take your ugly soldiers out of our country. Take your embassy out of Berlin.
    Get out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    If Don has his way Magda all those American soldiers will soon be gone.

    Then to be replaced with millions of Muslims.

    Have fun ya’ll.

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  • @DB Cooper
    Chinese in general don't hate the Japanese. It is the people who minimize or trivialize Chinese sufferings under the brutal Japanese invasion that gets to people.

    Talking about Unit 731, the revisionist Abe once posted in front of an airplane with a big "731" decal on the plane. Obviously the guy is very proud of Unit 731. Absolutely disgusting stuff. The world seems to have no outrage on it.

    The grandfather of Abe is referred to as the Albert Speer of Japan.

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  • @Fran Macadam
    The cynical irony is that U.S. policy after WWII was to rehabilitate Nazis for various influential roles in West Germany, as a bulwark against the former Stalinist ally of the war, now become the Stalinist Enemy of the Cold War.

    The step-son of Goebbels was Quandt. he survived the war and became a wealthy industrialist in West Germany.

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  • JG says: • Website

    You think “Star Wars” “won” the Cold War?

    The US and the CIA didn’t just recruit Nazi scientists. They used mass murderers in their intelligence operations throughout Europe. So, yes, they should be ashamed for the turning of our Republic into the fascist “security state” we have today. The CIA can do what it wants, including torturing suspects, overthrowing legitimate democracies, running drugs, false flag terrror attacks, etc. They worked well with Nazis. That’s a fact.

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  • @Simon in London
    "Today, something like Operation Paperclip is widely condemned."

    Really? I don't think I've ever encountered this. General view seems to be that nicking the Nazi scientists was a price worth paying to win the space race (even though the future space race wasn't really the motivation for grabbing them in 1945, right?)

    Indeed, I’ve only heard it condemned by people who couldn’t work a slide rule if their lives depended on it, and other such humanities major nitwits….

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  • @HdC
    That's putting it bluntly and succinctly.

    Yet some of the nicest people I've met are Americans. HdC

    Magda, I think your comments are two of the healthiest I have seen on Unz forum.

    I assume you are German, and it’s good to see Germans display strength of character and demand for respect.

    Go in peace — it is not inconsistent with anger.

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  • @utu
    "Revenge by Germans on Jews would be understandable!" - whether understandable or not Germans certainly got their revenge thought it did not turn out that well for them in the long run.

    utu,

    I watched from start to finish the video you linked, above

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=k8kh_X-7ojY

    It was difficult to watch.

    The narrator described how German civilians were forced to walk through “extermination camps” and view “lampshades and soap made of Jewish flesh” etc.

    We know those things were the basest of frauds.
    If they were lies, what else has been lied about?

    The documentary was a BBC production, and Unz readers may know that the British ran the propaganda campaign that conned Americans into supporting a war —

    American Pravda: Alexander Cockburn and the British Spies, by RON UNZ

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-alexander-cockburn-and-the-british-spies/

    and

    The Conquest of the United States by Britain … with a little help from her friends
    by STEPHEN J. SNIEGOSKI

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-conquest-of-the-united-states-by-britain/

    As posted earlier, the Allies lied about Nordhausen, and Jews participated in the lie. The lies about Nordhausen, rendered in photographs, were one of the elements used to damn German leaders and soldiers to death at Nuremberg.

    I’ve posted on Unz forum more than one time information about the complicity of Erich Mendelsohn and other Jewish architects, as well as set designers from Jewish studios in Hollywood, in planning, perfecting and rehearsing the deliberate destruction by firebombing of German civilian workers’ housing. The plan called for the incineration of a “young German family, including an infant in a crib.” These plans are far more specific than Wannsee Protocols, and we know for a fact that they were carried out.

    I know from simply studying the timeline of events and Jewish, British, and FDR’s activities that those parties were knee-deep in provoking a war well before Hitler or NS suggested even a whiff of malice — several Jewish authors concede as much.

    The Jewish Telegraph Agency (JTA) archives contains about 37 reports, during the war years, of Jews being aided by Russians to find shelter in Soviet states for the duration of the war. One of those locations was on the Volga — farming communities that had been settled by Germans, on invitation of Catherine the Great, but from which those Germans, about 700,000 of them, were expelled by Russia in ~1940.
    The JTA reports state that about 1.8 million Jews were thus harbored in Russia.

    Further reports reveal that those 1.8 million Jews then filtered back into Germany, claiming to be holocaust survivors. They demanded financial assistance from UNRRA to support them as they settled in Palestine.

    Alison Weir’s book, Against Our Better Judgment, and Stephen Sniegoski’s review of it on Unz, reveal the extent of zionist Jewish connivance at the highest levels to exploit US blood and treasure to wage war on Germany and support the Jewish takeover of Palestine.

    Two weeks ago the Unz forum posted information from Tom Suarez’s book on how zionists used terrorism to displace Palestinian Arabs and take over the land. http://www.unz.com/article/terrorism-how-the-israeli-state-was-won/

    Suarez tells the story of Jewish terrorism from the Palestinian Arab perspective. A recent monograph by Robert Lackner, titled Zionist Terrorism and Imperial Response; British Policies towards Jewish Resistance in Palestine 1944-1948 expands on the narrative of Jewish terror, from the perspective of British troops who bled and died attempting to maintain order in Mandate Palestine.

    We know that the Nuremberg trials were a travesty.

    We know that there were no gas chambers to exterminate Jews, and we know that the numbers of dead Jews has been wildly exaggerated and unsubstantiated by credible third-party sources such as the International Red Cross.

    We know from physical evidence that 70% of German cities, towns, villages were deliberately destroyed by Allied firebombing.

    We know from the BBC film that “26 million Germans” were displaced from their homes — that’s nearly 40% of the pre-war population of Germany.

    We know from books such as Cora Sol Goldstein’s “Capturing the German Eye” that for over four years after the war ended, Germans were subjected to intense and brutal psychological warfare including atrocity propaganda and the destruction of their own cultural icons and German communal mythologies.

    We know from Freda Utley’s first-hand accounts that US forces (as well as French, British and Russian, as well as Jews) treated the surrendered German nation with utmost brutality, causing the deaths of at least 3 million Germans after the war.

    How much more do we need to know before we start to demand that the real history be told and that the real criminals be brought to justice?

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    "...death of at least 3 million Germans after the war..."

    "After the war" (presumably 8th of May 1945) another 15 million Germans got killed through the allied hyenas instructed by their Jewish masters.

    The Americans alone are responsible for the murder of over 2 million surrendered German soldiers at Rheinwiesen. Lest we shall forget!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    (General Paton was disgusted. That's why the Jew Roosevelt had him killed.)

    The murdering has not stopped to this very day.
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  • @SolontoCroesus

    I can only say that the Holocaust was surely bad enough for the Jews . . .
     
    on what evidence do you say that?

    I don't know how old you are; some of us are old enough to remember when 'holocaust' did not have a capital h and a definite article. In a pre-internet pre-google era, I remember searching the Index of Periodical Literature (maybe you've heard of it?!), year by year, and noting when entries for "holocaust" first appeared and then increased (iirc late 1960s it began to trend upward). By the mid-1980s we were saying, "enough with the holocaust already!"

    Our parents fought in the war, our families were displaced by the war, lost their homes, etc. My god-mother was a "war bride;" our playmates were "DPs." When we did 'duck and cover' air raid drills, someone had to explain to the newly arrived Hungarian refugee kids -- "Hunkies" we called 'em -- what to do. Hunkies flocked to our Pollack neighborhood where Dagos played on the railroad tracks right alongside the Irish kids.

    For some of us, capital H holocaust is an added-on phenomenon -- we did not study WWII in elementary school/high school, not even college, for a combination of reasons.

    A younger generation knows only capital H holocaust; millenials have been heavily indoctrinated with holocaustism. We oldsters allowed that to happen, now we do what we can to correct that evil and destabilizing outcome.
    ---

    There's a corollary to "All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."
    That corollary is, "When good men thoughtlessly repeat evil propaganda, evil is reinforced."

    Perhaps I should worded my statement as a rhetorical question instead. LOL!

    I am aware of some of the points you’ve made. I understand that there was a coordinated effort in the mid to late 70s to promote [the H]olocaust and that it has since been used as a political weapon to raise tens of billions of dollars and silence criticism, among other things.

    Regardless of details, it was still a horrible time for the Jews. They were rounded up in large numbers, and they were thrown into concentration camps. And there were Einsatzgruppen death squads who gunned down Jews in the East. So there is a basis for my remark, in any case.

    Now I tend to agree with much of what Prof. Norman Finkelstein has written in The Holocaust Industry and I say without hesitation that those who are misusing this history have done more to dishonor the memory of the dead than all the revisionists in the world combined.

    However, I have only one life to live, that I know of, and I don’t have the time to pursue everything. The focus of my “spare” time for the past several years has been on the campaign to discredit Dr. von Braun. And make no mistake about this: the persecution of Dr. Rudolph was part and parcel of this effort to discredit the German Rocket Team in the eyes of the public.

    Trying to piece the whole story together is not easy. It’s disturbing in fact, just how slender are the threads of truth by which we can know what really happened. We were several hairbreadths away from losing it.

    If Prof. Winterberg had not obtained the crucial testimonies and other evidence during his sabbatical, if Col. Winterstein hadn’t conducted his crusade to exonerate Dr. Rudolph, if we didn’t have the decision of the immigration judge in Canada, among a few other sources, we should never have known the full truth. Marsha Freeman deserves recognition as well for her unwavering defense of Dr. Rudolph.

    And the author of this article, Mr. Hugh McInnish stands tall among those to whom we owe a huge debt of gratitude. His book An American in Exile is Ground Zero for those who want to know. He made an excellent decision to include all of the OSI interrogation transcripts AND the third and final U.S. interrogation of Dr. Rudolph back in 1947, so that everyone can plainly see that the OSI learned nothing of substance that was not already known decades before.

    This decision resulted in the appendices taking up more space than the actual text of the book!

    We can’t change the past, but we can expose what happened–and we can make at least some symbolic amends. Justice will not be served until Dr. Rudolph’s American citizenship is posthumously restored. The way things are now, it probably won’t happen in my lifetime. But no matter how long it takes, his citizenship MUST be restored. And Dr. von Braun must be restored to his rightful place in the pantheon of American heroes for a new generation

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  • @Magda Voigt
    "Revenge by Jews on Germans is understandable"

    Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Revenge by Germans on Jews would be understandable!

    “Revenge by Germans on Jews would be understandable!” – whether understandable or not Germans certainly got their revenge thought it did not turn out that well for them in the long run.

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    utu,

    I watched from start to finish the video you linked, above

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=k8kh_X-7ojY

    It was difficult to watch.

    The narrator described how German civilians were forced to walk through "extermination camps" and view "lampshades and soap made of Jewish flesh" etc.

    We know those things were the basest of frauds.
    If they were lies, what else has been lied about?

    The documentary was a BBC production, and Unz readers may know that the British ran the propaganda campaign that conned Americans into supporting a war --

    American Pravda: Alexander Cockburn and the British Spies, by RON UNZ
    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-alexander-cockburn-and-the-british-spies/

    and

    The Conquest of the United States by Britain ... with a little help from her friends
    by STEPHEN J. SNIEGOSKI
    http://www.unz.com/article/the-conquest-of-the-united-states-by-britain/

    As posted earlier, the Allies lied about Nordhausen, and Jews participated in the lie. The lies about Nordhausen, rendered in photographs, were one of the elements used to damn German leaders and soldiers to death at Nuremberg.

    I've posted on Unz forum more than one time information about the complicity of Erich Mendelsohn and other Jewish architects, as well as set designers from Jewish studios in Hollywood, in planning, perfecting and rehearsing the deliberate destruction by firebombing of German civilian workers' housing. The plan called for the incineration of a "young German family, including an infant in a crib." These plans are far more specific than Wannsee Protocols, and we know for a fact that they were carried out.

    I know from simply studying the timeline of events and Jewish, British, and FDR's activities that those parties were knee-deep in provoking a war well before Hitler or NS suggested even a whiff of malice -- several Jewish authors concede as much.

    The Jewish Telegraph Agency (JTA) archives contains about 37 reports, during the war years, of Jews being aided by Russians to find shelter in Soviet states for the duration of the war. One of those locations was on the Volga -- farming communities that had been settled by Germans, on invitation of Catherine the Great, but from which those Germans, about 700,000 of them, were expelled by Russia in ~1940.
    The JTA reports state that about 1.8 million Jews were thus harbored in Russia.

    Further reports reveal that those 1.8 million Jews then filtered back into Germany, claiming to be holocaust survivors. They demanded financial assistance from UNRRA to support them as they settled in Palestine.

    Alison Weir's book, Against Our Better Judgment, and Stephen Sniegoski's review of it on Unz, reveal the extent of zionist Jewish connivance at the highest levels to exploit US blood and treasure to wage war on Germany and support the Jewish takeover of Palestine.

    Two weeks ago the Unz forum posted information from Tom Suarez's book on how zionists used terrorism to displace Palestinian Arabs and take over the land. http://www.unz.com/article/terrorism-how-the-israeli-state-was-won/

    Suarez tells the story of Jewish terrorism from the Palestinian Arab perspective. A recent monograph by Robert Lackner, titled Zionist Terrorism and Imperial Response; British Policies towards Jewish Resistance in Palestine 1944-1948 expands on the narrative of Jewish terror, from the perspective of British troops who bled and died attempting to maintain order in Mandate Palestine.

    We know that the Nuremberg trials were a travesty.

    We know that there were no gas chambers to exterminate Jews, and we know that the numbers of dead Jews has been wildly exaggerated and unsubstantiated by credible third-party sources such as the International Red Cross.

    We know from physical evidence that 70% of German cities, towns, villages were deliberately destroyed by Allied firebombing.

    We know from the BBC film that "26 million Germans" were displaced from their homes -- that's nearly 40% of the pre-war population of Germany.

    We know from books such as Cora Sol Goldstein's "Capturing the German Eye" that for over four years after the war ended, Germans were subjected to intense and brutal psychological warfare including atrocity propaganda and the destruction of their own cultural icons and German communal mythologies.

    We know from Freda Utley's first-hand accounts that US forces (as well as French, British and Russian, as well as Jews) treated the surrendered German nation with utmost brutality, causing the deaths of at least 3 million Germans after the war.

    How much more do we need to know before we start to demand that the real history be told and that the real criminals be brought to justice?

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  • @Magda Voigt
    To AABs,
    to All Amercan Bastards,
    you know nothing about Germany and Hitler.
    All you failed bastards know is jewish propaganda!
    With no right in the world you attacked us in WW1.
    Wilson, the crook, robbed and betrayed us in peace and prepared WW2.
    WW2 was forced upon us by your ugly jewish bastards too and you all hailed the ugly jew and his evil lies, because it was good business. It helped you overcome 20 % unemployment and gather incredible loot.
    You helped destroy the best people in the world in order to put yourself above us like the murder stands over the victim.
    What are you?
    Nothing but murderous thieves!
    The way you murdered and stole from the American natives, the same you murdered us and exploite Germany to this very day. Hence you and your jewish "partners" needed to create the "Shoa" to legalize your evil crimes your cry "bad Germans".
    Take your ugly soldiers out of our country. Take your embassy out of Berlin.
    Get out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That’s putting it bluntly and succinctly.

    Yet some of the nicest people I’ve met are Americans. HdC

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    Magda, I think your comments are two of the healthiest I have seen on Unz forum.

    I assume you are German, and it's good to see Germans display strength of character and demand for respect.

    Go in peace -- it is not inconsistent with anger.
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  • @JTL
    The forced laborers at Peenemunde were mostly Russians. I have not seen any documented reference to Jews there--which doesn't mean there weren't any, but probably very few.

    The Mittelwerk is another matter. Jews were not allow into the V2 factory there at all. There were said to be 21 or so different ethnic groups represented, but they were evidently mostly French nationals as reflected in the bulk of the testimonies at the Dachau trials.

    This fact doesn't stop contrary claims from being made. Last year I saw an article in the LA Times where a "journalist" flat out accused von Braun of "killing 20,000 Jews." Some Jewish publications make similar claims.

    I can only say that the Holocaust was surely bad enough for the Jews that they shouldn't have to claim other peoples' victim status as well.

    I can only say that the Holocaust was surely bad enough for the Jews . . .

    on what evidence do you say that?

    I don’t know how old you are; some of us are old enough to remember when ‘holocaust’ did not have a capital h and a definite article. In a pre-internet pre-google era, I remember searching the Index of Periodical Literature (maybe you’ve heard of it?!), year by year, and noting when entries for “holocaust” first appeared and then increased (iirc late 1960s it began to trend upward). By the mid-1980s we were saying, “enough with the holocaust already!”

    Our parents fought in the war, our families were displaced by the war, lost their homes, etc. My god-mother was a “war bride;” our playmates were “DPs.” When we did ‘duck and cover’ air raid drills, someone had to explain to the newly arrived Hungarian refugee kids — “Hunkies” we called ‘em — what to do. Hunkies flocked to our Pollack neighborhood where Dagos played on the railroad tracks right alongside the Irish kids.

    For some of us, capital H holocaust is an added-on phenomenon — we did not study WWII in elementary school/high school, not even college, for a combination of reasons.

    A younger generation knows only capital H holocaust; millenials have been heavily indoctrinated with holocaustism. We oldsters allowed that to happen, now we do what we can to correct that evil and destabilizing outcome.

    There’s a corollary to “All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.”
    That corollary is, “When good men thoughtlessly repeat evil propaganda, evil is reinforced.”

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    Perhaps I should worded my statement as a rhetorical question instead. LOL!

    I am aware of some of the points you've made. I understand that there was a coordinated effort in the mid to late 70s to promote [the H]olocaust and that it has since been used as a political weapon to raise tens of billions of dollars and silence criticism, among other things.

    Regardless of details, it was still a horrible time for the Jews. They were rounded up in large numbers, and they were thrown into concentration camps. And there were Einsatzgruppen death squads who gunned down Jews in the East. So there is a basis for my remark, in any case.

    Now I tend to agree with much of what Prof. Norman Finkelstein has written in The Holocaust Industry and I say without hesitation that those who are misusing this history have done more to dishonor the memory of the dead than all the revisionists in the world combined.

    However, I have only one life to live, that I know of, and I don't have the time to pursue everything. The focus of my "spare" time for the past several years has been on the campaign to discredit Dr. von Braun. And make no mistake about this: the persecution of Dr. Rudolph was part and parcel of this effort to discredit the German Rocket Team in the eyes of the public.

    Trying to piece the whole story together is not easy. It's disturbing in fact, just how slender are the threads of truth by which we can know what really happened. We were several hairbreadths away from losing it.

    If Prof. Winterberg had not obtained the crucial testimonies and other evidence during his sabbatical, if Col. Winterstein hadn't conducted his crusade to exonerate Dr. Rudolph, if we didn't have the decision of the immigration judge in Canada, among a few other sources, we should never have known the full truth. Marsha Freeman deserves recognition as well for her unwavering defense of Dr. Rudolph.

    And the author of this article, Mr. Hugh McInnish stands tall among those to whom we owe a huge debt of gratitude. His book An American in Exile is Ground Zero for those who want to know. He made an excellent decision to include all of the OSI interrogation transcripts AND the third and final U.S. interrogation of Dr. Rudolph back in 1947, so that everyone can plainly see that the OSI learned nothing of substance that was not already known decades before.

    This decision resulted in the appendices taking up more space than the actual text of the book!

    We can't change the past, but we can expose what happened--and we can make at least some symbolic amends. Justice will not be served until Dr. Rudolph's American citizenship is posthumously restored. The way things are now, it probably won't happen in my lifetime. But no matter how long it takes, his citizenship MUST be restored. And Dr. von Braun must be restored to his rightful place in the pantheon of American heroes for a new generation
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  • @Ivan
    Joe :
    Do you reserve your moral outrage only for the crimes of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan? Or do you equally condemn the mass murders conducted by the Chinese communists?. Raking up a body count that would have made even Uncle Joe Stalin blanche, the Chicoms remain unrepentant till today.

    http://monthlyreview.org/commentary/did-mao-really-kill-millions-in-the-great-leap-forward/

    after your comment I got curious. apparently there is no clear answer. just CIA funded numbers doing the rounds even now :)

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    No no Mao was a shrinking choir boy. All those 29 to 50 million dead was just CIA agitprop. I'm glad to know that the mere mention of Cee-Eye-Aye absolves the Communists of their crimes.
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  • @Joe Wong
    Wally, the stuff in the forum.codoh.com is the same tricks used by the Japanese to white wash and deny their war crimes, crimes against peace, and crimes against humanity; such as questioning the minute details, presenting false evidence, watering down events, outright denial, pointing fingers, accuse victim aggressively, …., the same morally defunct evil propaganda the American is using to wage reckless wars around the world on the moral high ground.

    if the japanese can come up with a serious forum like codoh and present evidence that the massacre didn’t happen. I would 100% believe it. key word being irrefutable evidence or argument.

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  • Gene Cernan..the last Alpha Native Born White American Male to walk on the Moon…

    Chinese “Americans” and Hindu “Americans” want to make certain that this never happens again on Nov 8 2020….

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  • @Gunga(just call me Al)Din
    Re: Gehlen

    A fine, balanced, well written article(incl. a bibliography)about him
    here:

    http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/wwii/articles/operationrusty.aspx

    THX

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  • @Wally
    "Stuff like" Nanjing?

    What "stuff"?

    Heretofore, I have seen only agenda driven claims about Nanjing, but no proof of the allegations.

    Wikipedia? Seriously.

    oh wow, ahha. what kinda proof do you need? for you to witness the massacre in person? seriously.

    forget wiki, google it. google is your friend if you want information. don’t be a lazy putz. you might even find pictures of babies on top of bayonets :P but then again, I doubt you care.

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  • @jack shindo
    I see nothing of what is written as represented of the era as present by the above author.
    1. The film is just that, a Hollywood depiction of American stuff for the big screen
    2. In the era of Segregated America until 1970, the behaviours and attitudes as depicted are/were true.
    3. The Space Programme was a Team effort and it did use Nazis captured and who were coerced to work as they did while the Hidden Figures are just a backdrop in the telling of their story.
    4. They (the 3 US American women) did perform as per the movie, they didi possess the qualification and as depicted Segregated USA made up rules against what was the mission of the great land (USA)
    5. Since when did (Charlton Heston -his depiction) Jesus, part the Reed (Red Sea) and people actually believe the stuff of the Big Screen.
    6. Choices.! If people belive the illusions (delusions) of others, then Hollywood is doing a great job. For those who know history, truth is forever despite the lies, innuendos and propaganda.

    The Germans in von Braun’s Rocket Team were not “coerced”; they were doing what they had always wanted to do. Indeed, about five or six left the employ of the U.S. to work in private industry (including von Braun’s brother Magnus) where they could earn three times the salary. The rest remained to pursue their dream of space flight.

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  • @Faust
    I well remember the "humor" about Werner von Braun such as "We Aim for the Stars", but sometimes hit London. That would have been in the 60's, so it is not exactly news. There is reference to the Jewish slave labor at Peeneminde in the movie "The Good German", so that is not exactly news either.

    The forced laborers at Peenemunde were mostly Russians. I have not seen any documented reference to Jews there–which doesn’t mean there weren’t any, but probably very few.

    The Mittelwerk is another matter. Jews were not allow into the V2 factory there at all. There were said to be 21 or so different ethnic groups represented, but they were evidently mostly French nationals as reflected in the bulk of the testimonies at the Dachau trials.

    This fact doesn’t stop contrary claims from being made. Last year I saw an article in the LA Times where a “journalist” flat out accused von Braun of “killing 20,000 Jews.” Some Jewish publications make similar claims.

    I can only say that the Holocaust was surely bad enough for the Jews that they shouldn’t have to claim other peoples’ victim status as well.

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    I can only say that the Holocaust was surely bad enough for the Jews . . .
     
    on what evidence do you say that?

    I don't know how old you are; some of us are old enough to remember when 'holocaust' did not have a capital h and a definite article. In a pre-internet pre-google era, I remember searching the Index of Periodical Literature (maybe you've heard of it?!), year by year, and noting when entries for "holocaust" first appeared and then increased (iirc late 1960s it began to trend upward). By the mid-1980s we were saying, "enough with the holocaust already!"

    Our parents fought in the war, our families were displaced by the war, lost their homes, etc. My god-mother was a "war bride;" our playmates were "DPs." When we did 'duck and cover' air raid drills, someone had to explain to the newly arrived Hungarian refugee kids -- "Hunkies" we called 'em -- what to do. Hunkies flocked to our Pollack neighborhood where Dagos played on the railroad tracks right alongside the Irish kids.

    For some of us, capital H holocaust is an added-on phenomenon -- we did not study WWII in elementary school/high school, not even college, for a combination of reasons.

    A younger generation knows only capital H holocaust; millenials have been heavily indoctrinated with holocaustism. We oldsters allowed that to happen, now we do what we can to correct that evil and destabilizing outcome.
    ---

    There's a corollary to "All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."
    That corollary is, "When good men thoughtlessly repeat evil propaganda, evil is reinforced."

    , @Alden
    According to Jewish publications and histories of WW2, Jews were the only people who suffered in WW2. The peoples of the other countries invaded by the Germans, Dutch, Poles, French etc persecuted the Jews as badly as did the Germans.
    Jews now call it The European Holocaust. Even neutral Spain, Portugual and Sweden cheered on the persecution of the Jews according to the latest Jewish lying propaganda.
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  • @JackOH
    "Dr. Rudolph was railroaded by bigots . . . ". Too much justice is injustice is a phrase that comes to mind, although I can't recall a citation. Plus, the existence and mission of the Office of Special Investigation lends credence to those who believe the American government has been infiltrated by a Zionist cabal with interests that occasionally diverge from American interests.

    Plus, the existence and mission of the Office of Special Investigation lends credence to those who believe the American government has been infiltrated by a Zionist cabal with interests that occasionally diverge from American interests.

    It would be hard to prove otherwise in this case. Consider for instance the scope of the Holtzman Amendment (named for a Jewish congresswoman) that created OSI. It empowered the new office to deport those who “during the period beginning on March 23, 1933, and ending on May 8, 1945, under the direction of, or in association with — (A) the Nazi government of Germany, (B) any government in any area occupied by the military force of the Nazi government of Germany, (C) any government established with the assistance or cooperation of the Nazi government of Germany, or (D) any government which was an ally of the Nazi government of Germany, ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person because of race, religion, national origin, or political opinion.”

    Mr. McInnish in his book (p. 127) noted “the narrowness of its aim” and observed that “Offenses committed under the Russian government, for instance, are not covered, nor are offenses committed under the Nazi government if they were committed, say, by one Nazi against another because of rivalry or greed.”

    In other words, it applies only to those who were the enemies of the Jews. And the OSI operated without any real oversight or accountability. After Col. Bill Winterstein (who fought his own crusade in this matter) requested the Rudolph file from OSI, the U.S. Congress within two months passed a rider that specifically exempted OSI from FOIA requests!

    The Israel Lobby is all over this. The bigots who harrased Dr. Rudolph out of the country would not fare well in a real investigation. The Lobby will never allow this to happen.

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    Thanks. A former OSI prosecutor spoke at our local Podunk Tech maybe a decade ago. The student newspaper account had him loading his language with stuff to the effect that IBM, Ford Motor, etc. conspired with Hitler, abetted the Third Reich, all that, prior to Hitler's declaration of war on America. The audience, I clearly recall, was reported as having gasped. Gasped at what, I thought. You're an American company selling office equipment and auto parts in a foreign country with whom your nation is at peace and has diplomatic relations. Big deal.

    We Americans are likely paying a serious price in political credibility for this OSI stuff, boycott talk, and a whole mess of other Zionist-type "particularism" that's been grafted on to American political discourse. I'm not even a big follower of news about Israel, AIPAC, and what-not, but a recent effort in the Ohio legislature to require that Ohio businesses declare whether they're boycotting Israel seems to me grasping, aggrandizing stuff.
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  • @Joe Wong
    Wally, the stuff in the forum.codoh.com is the same tricks used by the Japanese to white wash and deny their war crimes, crimes against peace, and crimes against humanity; such as questioning the minute details, presenting false evidence, watering down events, outright denial, pointing fingers, accuse victim aggressively, …., the same morally defunct evil propaganda the American is using to wage reckless wars around the world on the moral high ground.

    Joe :
    Do you reserve your moral outrage only for the crimes of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan? Or do you equally condemn the mass murders conducted by the Chinese communists?. Raking up a body count that would have made even Uncle Joe Stalin blanche, the Chicoms remain unrepentant till today.

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    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    http://monthlyreview.org/commentary/did-mao-really-kill-millions-in-the-great-leap-forward/

    after your comment I got curious. apparently there is no clear answer. just CIA funded numbers doing the rounds even now :)
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  • @Joe Wong
    Wally, the stuff in the forum.codoh.com is the same tricks used by the Japanese to white wash and deny their war crimes, crimes against peace, and crimes against humanity; such as questioning the minute details, presenting false evidence, watering down events, outright denial, pointing fingers, accuse victim aggressively, …., the same morally defunct evil propaganda the American is using to wage reckless wars around the world on the moral high ground.

    Well, there is white-washing, then there is skepticism about obviously absurd propaganda claims and atrocity stories. Do you understand the difference?

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  • @Patrick Harris
    There was, however, a 1960 biographical film entitled "I Aim at the Stars." I own the mistake. Now that I look it up, it appears the old quip about London originally appeared in the movie itself.

    Yeah, the movie was terrible. The director Lee Thompson didn’t like von Braun, and his heart clearly wasn’t in it.

    We’re often told that the quip was in the film, but I don’t recall having heard it. It evidently comes from comedian Mort Sahl.

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  • @JTL
    Oh please! When Prof. Friedwardt Winterberg took a sabbatical from teaching in the U.S. and visited Germany on a fact-finding mission regarding the Rudolph case, he found several men who had been forced laborers at the Mittelwerk. They all provided statements about Rudolph to the effect that:

    It was Dr. Rudolph who successfully lobbied to get the laborers better clothing, better rations, medical care. One of the former laborers said that he and everyone else he knew on the V2 line had "nothing but respect and esteem for Dr. Rudolph."

    Rudolph wasn't able to get all he asked for, such as 8-hour shifts instead of the brutal 12-hour shifts, but he did what he could. Moreover, he was himself only a civilian employee. He had no real authority. He wasn't responsible for the conditions there; he only did what little he could to ameliorate them.

    And during the war crimes trials at Dachau, hundreds of former prison laborers testified. They all spoke of the horrible treatment they received at the hands of the SS guards and kapos. But there was NOT ONE SINGLE COMPLAINT against Dr. Rudolph, or Dr. von Braun, or ANY of the civilian staff or scientists.

    Dr. Rudolph was railroaded by bigots bent on blind vengeance, not justice. Anyone who still respects our Magna Carta ethos should be outraged at what these bigots did to him. If you actually cared about American values, you should take the same view as did most of the Huntsville leadership at the time and condemn these acts rather than falling back on this self-righteous, sanctimonious garbage based on nothing but propaganda.

    “Dr. Rudolph was railroaded by bigots . . . “. Too much justice is injustice is a phrase that comes to mind, although I can’t recall a citation. Plus, the existence and mission of the Office of Special Investigation lends credence to those who believe the American government has been infiltrated by a Zionist cabal with interests that occasionally diverge from American interests.

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    Plus, the existence and mission of the Office of Special Investigation lends credence to those who believe the American government has been infiltrated by a Zionist cabal with interests that occasionally diverge from American interests.

    It would be hard to prove otherwise in this case. Consider for instance the scope of the Holtzman Amendment (named for a Jewish congresswoman) that created OSI. It empowered the new office to deport those who "during the period beginning on March 23, 1933, and ending on May 8, 1945, under the direction of, or in association with -- (A) the Nazi government of Germany, (B) any government in any area occupied by the military force of the Nazi government of Germany, (C) any government established with the assistance or cooperation of the Nazi government of Germany, or (D) any government which was an ally of the Nazi government of Germany, ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person because of race, religion, national origin, or political opinion."

    Mr. McInnish in his book (p. 127) noted "the narrowness of its aim" and observed that "Offenses committed under the Russian government, for instance, are not covered, nor are offenses committed under the Nazi government if they were committed, say, by one Nazi against another because of rivalry or greed."

    In other words, it applies only to those who were the enemies of the Jews. And the OSI operated without any real oversight or accountability. After Col. Bill Winterstein (who fought his own crusade in this matter) requested the Rudolph file from OSI, the U.S. Congress within two months passed a rider that specifically exempted OSI from FOIA requests!

    The Israel Lobby is all over this. The bigots who harrased Dr. Rudolph out of the country would not fare well in a real investigation. The Lobby will never allow this to happen.
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  • @utu
    Revenge by Jews on Germans is understandable, however it should not be condoned.

    What about of revenge by Czechs who in 1938 took public loyalty oath, did not show any hostility towards Germans during the WWII, German soldiers were spending there their furlough because Bohemia and Moravia were safe and there were no ally bombings and then after the war this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8kh_X-7ojY&t=8s

    “Revenge by Jews on Germans is understandable”

    Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Revenge by Germans on Jews would be understandable!

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    "Revenge by Germans on Jews would be understandable!" - whether understandable or not Germans certainly got their revenge thought it did not turn out that well for them in the long run.
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  • To AABs,
    to All Amercan Bastards,
    you know nothing about Germany and Hitler.
    All you failed bastards know is jewish propaganda!
    With no right in the world you attacked us in WW1.
    Wilson, the crook, robbed and betrayed us in peace and prepared WW2.
    WW2 was forced upon us by your ugly jewish bastards too and you all hailed the ugly jew and his evil lies, because it was good business. It helped you overcome 20 % unemployment and gather incredible loot.
    You helped destroy the best people in the world in order to put yourself above us like the murder stands over the victim.
    What are you?
    Nothing but murderous thieves!
    The way you murdered and stole from the American natives, the same you murdered us and exploite Germany to this very day. Hence you and your jewish “partners” needed to create the “Shoa” to legalize your evil crimes your cry “bad Germans”.
    Take your ugly soldiers out of our country. Take your embassy out of Berlin.
    Get out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    That's putting it bluntly and succinctly.

    Yet some of the nicest people I've met are Americans. HdC

    , @Adar.
    If Don has his way Magda all those American soldiers will soon be gone.

    Then to be replaced with millions of Muslims.

    Have fun ya'll.
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  • I am utterly unsurprised. The US political elite is exceedingly petty and unprincipled. I see no reason why this wouldn’t have been the case back then.

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  • @Wally
    Do you believe in the impossible? Or are you just doing your hasbarist dance.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Indeed, the Germans were trying to stop Communism while Roosevelt turned over half of Europe to the Communists.
    Roosevelt put Japanese-Americans, German-Americans, & Italian-Americans into slave labor concentration camps.

    Why have supremacist Jews have been marketing the '6,000,000' lie since at least 1869?

    http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k598/WhiteWolf722/TheSixMillionMyth.jpg

    Wally, the stuff in the forum.codoh.com is the same tricks used by the Japanese to white wash and deny their war crimes, crimes against peace, and crimes against humanity; such as questioning the minute details, presenting false evidence, watering down events, outright denial, pointing fingers, accuse victim aggressively, …., the same morally defunct evil propaganda the American is using to wage reckless wars around the world on the moral high ground.

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    Well, there is white-washing, then there is skepticism about obviously absurd propaganda claims and atrocity stories. Do you understand the difference?
    , @Ivan
    Joe :
    Do you reserve your moral outrage only for the crimes of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan? Or do you equally condemn the mass murders conducted by the Chinese communists?. Raking up a body count that would have made even Uncle Joe Stalin blanche, the Chicoms remain unrepentant till today.
    , @Astuteobservor II
    if the japanese can come up with a serious forum like codoh and present evidence that the massacre didn't happen. I would 100% believe it. key word being irrefutable evidence or argument.
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  • @utu
    I met a lot of Chinese who did not hate Japanese and Japan as much as you do. Hate makes people irrational and often leads them to make wrong choices. So be careful.

    Please do not use American manufactured consent technique here to confuse propaganda with truth. Dropping A-bombs on Japan to save lives and cut short of suffering of many, many millions of people, including millions of Japanese is a fact, and thousands of unsung and untold of suffering victims of atrocities and beastly acts at the hands of Japanese imperialism for every Japanese A-bomb victim is also a fact.

    Japanese continuously deny about their inhuman atrocities, wrongful acts and invasion during the world wars. The Japanese PM Abe and many political figures there publicly regularly deny what the country had done in WWII. More importantly, his cabinet received overwhelming support from Japanese. This nation and many of its people were not only evil but has lost their conscience to enable them to be a normal person. Such nation and people are a real danger to other countries.

    It is not hate to remind the world that Japanese is unrepentant war criminal, and they have deep rooted built-in characteristics of Japanese imperialism to play being pitifully submissive and bide their time for the chance of “revenge”.

    You should not side with the war crime perpetrator and blame the victims for asking to redress the injustice imposed on them, and demand it is the criminal’s entitlement to get off scare free.

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  • Chinese in general don’t hate the Japanese. It is the people who minimize or trivialize Chinese sufferings under the brutal Japanese invasion that gets to people.

    Talking about Unit 731, the revisionist Abe once posted in front of an airplane with a big “731″ decal on the plane. Obviously the guy is very proud of Unit 731. Absolutely disgusting stuff. The world seems to have no outrage on it.

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    The grandfather of Abe is referred to as the Albert Speer of Japan.
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  • @Father O'Hara
    The Nazis gathered all together in one big old room/ They were there to discuss ideas for the Jewish doom! / Said the Fuhrer to the boys,"Have you a plan at last?" /Up piped Goebbels with a smile,"We'll have one million gassed!" /Hitler frowned and said,"Well boys,tell me why cant we do TWO?" /Up jumped Borman smiling brightly,"Its something we can do! / "Fat for soap,lampshade skin and bones for fertilizer/ Hell we can do FOUR and maybe more,lets do it for the Kaiser!" / "Now you're talking",said the Fuhrer," no more shuck and jive!/ In fact theres gold for all of you,if you can give me FIVE!"/ Himmler rose and cleared his throat, he was angry that's for sure/ "You guys are a bunch of shmucks!" he said," You're all rank amateurs!"/ Hitler smiled,so pleased at him,the baddest Nazi around/ "OK Himmie,this shits the jimmy! How is it goin down?"/ "Gas chambers are now being built,and crematoriums too/ When all is done and said,SIX MILLION DEAD,so take that Mr. Fancypants Jew!"

    LOL

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  • @Inertiller
    Thanks for catching that. The land originally belonged to native Americans, who had their land taken by US treaty. Now if I was to use quotes around "treaty" to emphasize the fraudulence of that description, as a paraphrase of a source, no one would be clear what I had meant, and certainly have no idea that the natives were forcibly swindled off of the land at gunpoint, over time, via attrition. In other words, quotes would not be used properly.

    The arsenal (which I prefer to Huntsville, unless I'm booking a flight) was named after the conqueror, or revolutionary. Its history is primarily military. But as such, wealth has been redistributed to favor the narrow interests of said militarism. These have nothing to do with free markets or capitalism. But the cover story was provided to explain why the US was in a pissing contest with the Soviets to get to the moon, because, apparently, the USSR were in opposition to free markets or capitalism. So the whole thing is a bit of a lie, and famously discussed as just such a fraud at the time. Tyrannical indifference to other priorities never stops our formal Governing bodies from doling out public funds for private benefit and pretending its not blatant socialism. What brought the Atlas V to life was pure collectivism, the training was the kind that teaches recognition of hierarchies and obedience in that long chain of command – chain is the operative word – wherein you do what you’re told, you listen to the boss, you don’t question, you don’t fend for yourself, you don’t step out of line. You sure as hell don't have feelings for one of your co-workers who is being set up by the man. Fear and you tow the line!

    The mistake the author is making here is not questioning the grandiose public story of the achievement of sending a missile to the moon, but believing America doesn't set up and screw the life out of people when they decide to, regardless of the cover story of how "great" something was.

    The US Government and its Hollywood propaganda manufacturers are also careful in that the achievement itself cannot be questioned by the public. However, they are coloring history (as it were) for other purposes.

    “What brought the Atlas V to life was pure collectivism”

    and central planning and lack of competition. Actually in Soviet Union the space program was not centralized as much as in the US and various design groups competed with each other for resources and attention of Politburo. This lack of centralization in Soviet space program some believe contributed to Americans winning the Moon race.

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  • @SolontoCroesus
    Thanks utu.

    A lot of Fort Ritchie is still standing. Ironically, it's in the middle of very old, largely German, farm country dotted with Lutheran churches dating from 1855 and still maintained impeccably (the churches, that is, as well as the farms). The graveyards are well-kept, with headstones dating as far back as the 1820s (the ones I could read).

    There were several impressive things about the "Ritchie Boys" film, the first most impressive thing was how eager they all were to express hatred, and viciousness, and to gloat at how they made Germans suffer; and how they expressed utter disdain for the people who lived around the base. I don't know much about the US Civil War, but I believe it's the case that when Lee surrendered to Grant (a genuine son-of-a-bitch), the adversaries treated each other respectfully, as warriors in fierce battle, now concluded. FDR & Churchill's destruction of Germany displayed no such character, just the sob-ness. nb. it's not unlikely that Union and Confederate soldiers fought and died in the precincts of Ft. Ritchie.

    The film featured seven or ten (I forget which) former "Ritchie Boys" returning to the base. They were truly ugly of soul and spirit. One man was particularly disgusting; he has children and grandchildren. I think they should be made to be ashamed of their vile progenitor.
    It was a low budget film, worthy of low class entities, regardless of the fact that some of them bruited their positions as professors or wealthy businessmen. They were lowlife thugs, then and now. Something like Sherman.

    Revenge by Jews on Germans is understandable, however it should not be condoned.

    What about of revenge by Czechs who in 1938 took public loyalty oath, did not show any hostility towards Germans during the WWII, German soldiers were spending there their furlough because Bohemia and Moravia were safe and there were no ally bombings and then after the war this:

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    "Revenge by Jews on Germans is understandable"

    Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Revenge by Germans on Jews would be understandable!
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  • We learn today that Gene Cernan, the last man on the Moon, has died.

    They are all leaving us, and we still haven’t been back.

    All this political handwringing and all the war histories of humanity simply prove that man is neither aware of nor deserves his own greatest achievements. He makes them in spite of himself.

    Our going to the Moon was a fluke, a mountain climb made to prove a point. Still, I agree with Neil Armstrong, who said, “Even if we went for the wrong reasons, I’m glad we did it.”

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  • @JTL
    So you quote this silly piece by Tom Lehrer in its entirety--do you think you've actually added something to this discussion?

    Oh, and there is no such book as "I Aimed at the Stars." Dr. von Braun wrote no autobiography.

    There was, however, a 1960 biographical film entitled “I Aim at the Stars.” I own the mistake. Now that I look it up, it appears the old quip about London originally appeared in the movie itself.

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    Yeah, the movie was terrible. The director Lee Thompson didn't like von Braun, and his heart clearly wasn't in it.

    We're often told that the quip was in the film, but I don't recall having heard it. It evidently comes from comedian Mort Sahl.
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  • @Patrick Harris
    Is there any particular reason you're putting the name of a city in scare quotes?

    Thanks for catching that. The land originally belonged to native Americans, who had their land taken by US treaty. Now if I was to use quotes around “treaty” to emphasize the fraudulence of that description, as a paraphrase of a source, no one would be clear what I had meant, and certainly have no idea that the natives were forcibly swindled off of the land at gunpoint, over time, via attrition. In other words, quotes would not be used properly.

    The arsenal (which I prefer to Huntsville, unless I’m booking a flight) was named after the conqueror, or revolutionary. Its history is primarily military. But as such, wealth has been redistributed to favor the narrow interests of said militarism. These have nothing to do with free markets or capitalism. But the cover story was provided to explain why the US was in a pissing contest with the Soviets to get to the moon, because, apparently, the USSR were in opposition to free markets or capitalism. So the whole thing is a bit of a lie, and famously discussed as just such a fraud at the time. Tyrannical indifference to other priorities never stops our formal Governing bodies from doling out public funds for private benefit and pretending its not blatant socialism. What brought the Atlas V to life was pure collectivism, the training was the kind that teaches recognition of hierarchies and obedience in that long chain of command – chain is the operative word – wherein you do what you’re told, you listen to the boss, you don’t question, you don’t fend for yourself, you don’t step out of line. You sure as hell don’t have feelings for one of your co-workers who is being set up by the man. Fear and you tow the line!

    The mistake the author is making here is not questioning the grandiose public story of the achievement of sending a missile to the moon, but believing America doesn’t set up and screw the life out of people when they decide to, regardless of the cover story of how “great” something was.

    The US Government and its Hollywood propaganda manufacturers are also careful in that the achievement itself cannot be questioned by the public. However, they are coloring history (as it were) for other purposes.

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    • Replies: @utu
    "What brought the Atlas V to life was pure collectivism"

    and central planning and lack of competition. Actually in Soviet Union the space program was not centralized as much as in the US and various design groups competed with each other for resources and attention of Politburo. This lack of centralization in Soviet space program some believe contributed to Americans winning the Moon race.
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  • @Patrick Harris
    Some wag noted that Von Braun's autobiography "I Aimed for the Stars" should have been subtitled "But Sometimes I Hit London."

    Then, of course, there was Tom Lehrer's classic:

    Gather round while I sing you of Wernher von Braun,
    A man whose allegiance
    Is ruled by expedience.
    Call him a Nazi, he won't even frown.
    "ha, Nazi sch-mazi," says Wernher von Braun.

    Don't say that he's hypocritical,
    Say rather that he's apolitical.
    "Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?
    That's not my department," says Wernher von Braun.

    Some have harsh words for this man of renown,
    But some think our attitude
    Should be one of gratitude,
    Like the widows and cripples in old London town
    Who owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun.

    You too may be a big hero,
    Once you've learned to count backwards to zero.
    "In German oder English I know how to count down,
    Und I'm learning Chinese," says Wernher von Braun.

    So you quote this silly piece by Tom Lehrer in its entirety–do you think you’ve actually added something to this discussion?

    Oh, and there is no such book as “I Aimed at the Stars.” Dr. von Braun wrote no autobiography.

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    There was, however, a 1960 biographical film entitled "I Aim at the Stars." I own the mistake. Now that I look it up, it appears the old quip about London originally appeared in the movie itself.
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  • @Patrick Harris
    I'm not particularly interested in proving anything- I grew up near Huntsville, and am proud of the part it played in space flight history.

    Having said that, it's hard to be *that* sorry for Rudolph that his past association with working people to death caught up with him.

    Oh please! When Prof. Friedwardt Winterberg took a sabbatical from teaching in the U.S. and visited Germany on a fact-finding mission regarding the Rudolph case, he found several men who had been forced laborers at the Mittelwerk. They all provided statements about Rudolph to the effect that:

    It was Dr. Rudolph who successfully lobbied to get the laborers better clothing, better rations, medical care. One of the former laborers said that he and everyone else he knew on the V2 line had “nothing but respect and esteem for Dr. Rudolph.”

    Rudolph wasn’t able to get all he asked for, such as 8-hour shifts instead of the brutal 12-hour shifts, but he did what he could. Moreover, he was himself only a civilian employee. He had no real authority. He wasn’t responsible for the conditions there; he only did what little he could to ameliorate them.

    And during the war crimes trials at Dachau, hundreds of former prison laborers testified. They all spoke of the horrible treatment they received at the hands of the SS guards and kapos. But there was NOT ONE SINGLE COMPLAINT against Dr. Rudolph, or Dr. von Braun, or ANY of the civilian staff or scientists.

    Dr. Rudolph was railroaded by bigots bent on blind vengeance, not justice. Anyone who still respects our Magna Carta ethos should be outraged at what these bigots did to him. If you actually cared about American values, you should take the same view as did most of the Huntsville leadership at the time and condemn these acts rather than falling back on this self-righteous, sanctimonious garbage based on nothing but propaganda.

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    "Dr. Rudolph was railroaded by bigots . . . ". Too much justice is injustice is a phrase that comes to mind, although I can't recall a citation. Plus, the existence and mission of the Office of Special Investigation lends credence to those who believe the American government has been infiltrated by a Zionist cabal with interests that occasionally diverge from American interests.
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  • @Intertiller
    Why don't you consider "Huntsville" as communist as any school boy version of the mediocre Soviet Union? Huntsville was/is pure commie: Uncle Sam builds, houses, feeds, employs, provides health care, uniforms, instills pride, patriotism and obedience. A space themed military driven amusement park, with a country club gate that has only grown more vicious and exclusive. The closer you look, the USA was never close to what is said it was. NASA ended up murdering people when the money got tight.

    Negligent homicide is not murder. You don’t say that to the families of the victims.

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  • @iffen
    0 for 5

    I score it 6 for 6. If you can be both participant and referee, so can I.

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  • @Astuteobservor II
    joe is talking about stuff like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 and the nanjing massacre. we got all of unit 731's research by giving them protection. you can easily google for info for these. we did profit greatly from ww2, in every way possible. it is why if china becomes a direct democracy right now, they would go to war with japan tomorrow. it is why I don't understand all the retards wanting china to become a democracy so bad.

    “Stuff like” Nanjing?

    What “stuff”?

    Heretofore, I have seen only agenda driven claims about Nanjing, but no proof of the allegations.

    Wikipedia? Seriously.

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    oh wow, ahha. what kinda proof do you need? for you to witness the massacre in person? seriously.

    forget wiki, google it. google is your friend if you want information. don't be a lazy putz. you might even find pictures of babies on top of bayonets :P but then again, I doubt you care.

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  • @Father O'Hara
    The Nazis gathered all together in one big old room/ They were there to discuss ideas for the Jewish doom! / Said the Fuhrer to the boys,"Have you a plan at last?" /Up piped Goebbels with a smile,"We'll have one million gassed!" /Hitler frowned and said,"Well boys,tell me why cant we do TWO?" /Up jumped Borman smiling brightly,"Its something we can do! / "Fat for soap,lampshade skin and bones for fertilizer/ Hell we can do FOUR and maybe more,lets do it for the Kaiser!" / "Now you're talking",said the Fuhrer," no more shuck and jive!/ In fact theres gold for all of you,if you can give me FIVE!"/ Himmler rose and cleared his throat, he was angry that's for sure/ "You guys are a bunch of shmucks!" he said," You're all rank amateurs!"/ Hitler smiled,so pleased at him,the baddest Nazi around/ "OK Himmie,this shits the jimmy! How is it goin down?"/ "Gas chambers are now being built,and crematoriums too/ When all is done and said,SIX MILLION DEAD,so take that Mr. Fancypants Jew!"

    Don’t quit your day job.

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  • @Joe Wong
    Some people may feel awful when looking at those images of suffering victims of the A bomb and they are right. But for each such photo, there are thousands of unsung untold images of suffering victims of atrocities and beastly acts at the hands of Japanese imperialism.

    I think most Chinese don’t hold grudges of the past, but we are all sure that these two American bombs saved lives and cut short of suffering of many, many millions of people, including millions of Japanese people. And for that we remain all thankful for the wisdom and courage of dropping these two bombs.

    I met a lot of Chinese who did not hate Japanese and Japan as much as you do. Hate makes people irrational and often leads them to make wrong choices. So be careful.

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    Please do not use American manufactured consent technique here to confuse propaganda with truth. Dropping A-bombs on Japan to save lives and cut short of suffering of many, many millions of people, including millions of Japanese is a fact, and thousands of unsung and untold of suffering victims of atrocities and beastly acts at the hands of Japanese imperialism for every Japanese A-bomb victim is also a fact.

    Japanese continuously deny about their inhuman atrocities, wrongful acts and invasion during the world wars. The Japanese PM Abe and many political figures there publicly regularly deny what the country had done in WWII. More importantly, his cabinet received overwhelming support from Japanese. This nation and many of its people were not only evil but has lost their conscience to enable them to be a normal person. Such nation and people are a real danger to other countries.

    It is not hate to remind the world that Japanese is unrepentant war criminal, and they have deep rooted built-in characteristics of Japanese imperialism to play being pitifully submissive and bide their time for the chance of "revenge".

    You should not side with the war crime perpetrator and blame the victims for asking to redress the injustice imposed on them, and demand it is the criminal’s entitlement to get off scare free.
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  • O/T but worth it –

    Y’all have got to click on this web page –

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/155723690911/the-master-persuader-scrambles-the-frame

    When Trump made the comparison of the 35 pages to “something Nazi Germany did,” you could see the wheels turning in his head; you just knew he said just that for some very deliberate purpose.

    Stcott Adams explained it — he understands Trump’s ability to persuade. Adams said that having been compared to Hitler so many times, Trump had only one successful course of action — not to defend, not to join in the gang-bang, but to “Scramble the frame.”

    That’s cool enough, but the amazing thing is in the comments: one after another after another joke and pun and put-down of every Hitler-Nazi related meme we’ve been bombarded with for the last century.

    LAUGH at the idiots who have made a handsome living flogging holocaustism!

    Here’s a sample:

    The press seem to be goebbeling it up.
    And goering up for a response.
    Trump is indeed the tip of the speer.
    “Hun puns?”
    These puns need a final solution.
    If these puns are bad, Mein Kampf get any worse.
    Anyone else feel like people here are just Stalin for time?

    they are Berlin down the house!
    That rates two gins, and Teutonics.

    My wife on our wedding day was Dresden white. Then the planes came.
    So everyone got bombed at your wedding.
    No, but they were definitely gassed

    Justice 4 Germans, the true victims of a holocaust.

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    Oddly enough, the CIA action against Trump bears a lot of resemblance to the Fritsch affair in NS Germany, but then that's the sort of thing intelligence agencies do:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blomberg%E2%80%93Fritsch_affair#Fritsch
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  • Re; Hugh McInnish article title, “… Why isn’t “Hidden Figures” about Nazi Scientist, Arthur Rudolph?”

    Let me venture a guess? The U.S. ruling class supports & depends upon Hollywood’s passion to re-write history and present Silver Screen fiction which serves Zionist political goals.

    A result: Using costly (popular) entertainment asphyxiation, Hollywood significantly helped the U.S. film-loving population to become inured to experiencing either “injury” or “shame” for even blatant attempts at deliberate political brainwashing.

    For example, Arnon Milchan produced Oliver Stone’s popular film “JFK” which did not reveal critical & inconvenient facts about who actually killed President Kennedy and for decades to come, Americans saw only what they needed to see — the War Machine did it.

    It’s important to note that 20th Century Fox produced “Hidden Figures” and Arnon Milchan and Rupert Murdoch are partners @ 20th Century Fox. Given such ideological financing, does anyone here at The Unz Review expect to learn anything substantial & real about “Operation Paperclip” from “Hidden Figures”? Alas, the majority of moviegoers only get fly byes, thrilling irrelevancies; for example, “a sassy black woman,” good at math, and the sacred U.S. scientific ability to get to the Moon.

    I feel very bad for Hugh McInness who suffers with knowing the reality of what evil was done to Mr. Rudolph. (I so appreciate his having brought me “there”) As an Environmental Project & Emergency Response Coordinator for twenty-two years (22), I saw too many good scientific people (with admirable “Green” ethics) resign from a greedy company and join another firm which pretended to offer an honorable career, and only to be intellectually prostituted and hurt again. Below I’ll attempt to explain the “moral” to the latter dismal fact and connect to the reality of magnificent science betrayed and profited upon by the few and dangerous.

    Only talented, ambitious, and connected people, with self-centered shady ethics, happen to succeed by jumping from one good/bad company to another good/bad company. Case in point: Steve Mnuchin. With a Hollywood-Goldman Sachs resume, he did a “cameo” role in Warren Beatty’s 2016 film, “Rules Don’t Apply,” where Beatty played the aging billionaire, Howard Hughes. Recently, as readers are aware, Mnuchin was nominated by shameless President-elect Trump to become the U.S. Secretary of Treasury! (Unlike disposable skills of Mr. Rudolph, Steve Mnuchin’s service$ “were needed.”)

    Irony — Donald Trump (supposedly) is toughening up on trade imbalance w/ China and Chinese billionaires are investing heavily into Hollywood film-making! And yes indeed, I believe what shrapnel is left of the battered American conscience should be very, very ashamed about what happened to the brilliant, German scientist, Arthur Rudolph. Thank you for raising my awareness, Mr. McInnish!

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  • @utu
    P.O. Box 114 - Interrogation center (most interrogators were Jewish-German Americans)
    https://www.nps.gov/articles/forthuntww2.htm

    Thanks utu.

    A lot of Fort Ritchie is still standing. Ironically, it’s in the middle of very old, largely German, farm country dotted with Lutheran churches dating from 1855 and still maintained impeccably (the churches, that is, as well as the farms). The graveyards are well-kept, with headstones dating as far back as the 1820s (the ones I could read).

    There were several impressive things about the “Ritchie Boys” film, the first most impressive thing was how eager they all were to express hatred, and viciousness, and to gloat at how they made Germans suffer; and how they expressed utter disdain for the people who lived around the base. I don’t know much about the US Civil War, but I believe it’s the case that when Lee surrendered to Grant (a genuine son-of-a-bitch), the adversaries treated each other respectfully, as warriors in fierce battle, now concluded. FDR & Churchill’s destruction of Germany displayed no such character, just the sob-ness. nb. it’s not unlikely that Union and Confederate soldiers fought and died in the precincts of Ft. Ritchie.

    The film featured seven or ten (I forget which) former “Ritchie Boys” returning to the base. They were truly ugly of soul and spirit. One man was particularly disgusting; he has children and grandchildren. I think they should be made to be ashamed of their vile progenitor.
    It was a low budget film, worthy of low class entities, regardless of the fact that some of them bruited their positions as professors or wealthy businessmen. They were lowlife thugs, then and now. Something like Sherman.

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    • Replies: @utu
    Revenge by Jews on Germans is understandable, however it should not be condoned.

    What about of revenge by Czechs who in 1938 took public loyalty oath, did not show any hostility towards Germans during the WWII, German soldiers were spending there their furlough because Bohemia and Moravia were safe and there were no ally bombings and then after the war this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8kh_X-7ojY&t=8s
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  • Fake history indeed. The black triumphalism coming out of Jewish run Hollywood during the reign of Hussein Obama is getting over the top and sickening. Black Africans didn’t even invent a wheel and we are to believe black women played a pivotal role in the NASA space program. The “black” woman who played a very small role in the Apollo space program was an octoroon (1/8 negro) and in no way resembled the typical black American woman in physical appearance and could almost pass as white.

    It’s been a long time since I read about Arthur Rudolph and was again sickened and angered in how he was treated after he did so much for this nation. I didn’t know the Constitution allows the government to strip a naturalized citizen of his rights and deport him/her based on flimsy Jewish allegations of “war crimes”. Members of the Jewish supremacist mafia known as the OSI need to be stripped of their citizenship and deported if not given life prison sentences in the U. S.

    There were plenty of Jews who committed egregious crimes while serving in the red army and who lived out their days in peace and plenty in Israel and in some cases the U.S. The bloodthirsty Solomon Morrell was but one example and the U.S. should have halted all aid to Israel until they turned him over for trial and execution along with others.

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  • @Intertiller
    Why don't you consider "Huntsville" as communist as any school boy version of the mediocre Soviet Union? Huntsville was/is pure commie: Uncle Sam builds, houses, feeds, employs, provides health care, uniforms, instills pride, patriotism and obedience. A space themed military driven amusement park, with a country club gate that has only grown more vicious and exclusive. The closer you look, the USA was never close to what is said it was. NASA ended up murdering people when the money got tight.

    Is there any particular reason you’re putting the name of a city in scare quotes?

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    Thanks for catching that. The land originally belonged to native Americans, who had their land taken by US treaty. Now if I was to use quotes around "treaty" to emphasize the fraudulence of that description, as a paraphrase of a source, no one would be clear what I had meant, and certainly have no idea that the natives were forcibly swindled off of the land at gunpoint, over time, via attrition. In other words, quotes would not be used properly.

    The arsenal (which I prefer to Huntsville, unless I'm booking a flight) was named after the conqueror, or revolutionary. Its history is primarily military. But as such, wealth has been redistributed to favor the narrow interests of said militarism. These have nothing to do with free markets or capitalism. But the cover story was provided to explain why the US was in a pissing contest with the Soviets to get to the moon, because, apparently, the USSR were in opposition to free markets or capitalism. So the whole thing is a bit of a lie, and famously discussed as just such a fraud at the time. Tyrannical indifference to other priorities never stops our formal Governing bodies from doling out public funds for private benefit and pretending its not blatant socialism. What brought the Atlas V to life was pure collectivism, the training was the kind that teaches recognition of hierarchies and obedience in that long chain of command – chain is the operative word – wherein you do what you’re told, you listen to the boss, you don’t question, you don’t fend for yourself, you don’t step out of line. You sure as hell don't have feelings for one of your co-workers who is being set up by the man. Fear and you tow the line!

    The mistake the author is making here is not questioning the grandiose public story of the achievement of sending a missile to the moon, but believing America doesn't set up and screw the life out of people when they decide to, regardless of the cover story of how "great" something was.

    The US Government and its Hollywood propaganda manufacturers are also careful in that the achievement itself cannot be questioned by the public. However, they are coloring history (as it were) for other purposes.

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  • @Otto
    And since the US ran out of German Nazi's they depend on Russian rocket technology now.. keep laughing at "russian technology!" when the rest of the world knows who rules space.. oh by the way.. it was german Nazi's used in US (CIA) Propaganda, but Yugoslavia provided Kennedy with real blueprints.. yup.. now that is "a secret" americans don't like to talk about .. either.

    “but Yugoslavia provided Kennedy with real blueprints”

    Can you elaborate?

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  • @SolontoCroesus
    The V-2 was built at Nordhausen.

    Allies bombed Nordhausen, took photos of the dead & maimed, blamed their deaths on Nazees, used the photos as a key exhibit against said Nazees at Nuremberg trials.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vs1eR7hsT8

    Allies bombed Nordhausen to ensure that Stalin would not gain access to V-2 technology: FDR's bargains with Stalin might have led the Bolshevik leader to think he was entitled to that technology.

    WWII was a war of all against all, with Jews playing the role Yuri Slezkine assigned to them: brokers, "Mercurian" middle-men, traders, and profiteers.

    re "there should be a movie" -- there IS a movie: The Ritchie Boys celebrates the roles of German-Jewish teenagers who migrated to USA and were enlisted in US military, then trained at Camp Ritchie, near Gettysburg, PA, to infiltrate Germany, interrogate German POWs, encourage them to surrender, engage in sabotage, infiltrate German institutions and acquire German documents, then participate fully in prosecutions at Nuremberg trials.

    According to the Ritchie Boys film, one such Jewish spy infiltrated Nordhausen to secure the V 2 technology.

    P.O. Box 114 – Interrogation center (most interrogators were Jewish-German Americans)

    https://www.nps.gov/articles/forthuntww2.htm

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    Thanks utu.

    A lot of Fort Ritchie is still standing. Ironically, it's in the middle of very old, largely German, farm country dotted with Lutheran churches dating from 1855 and still maintained impeccably (the churches, that is, as well as the farms). The graveyards are well-kept, with headstones dating as far back as the 1820s (the ones I could read).

    There were several impressive things about the "Ritchie Boys" film, the first most impressive thing was how eager they all were to express hatred, and viciousness, and to gloat at how they made Germans suffer; and how they expressed utter disdain for the people who lived around the base. I don't know much about the US Civil War, but I believe it's the case that when Lee surrendered to Grant (a genuine son-of-a-bitch), the adversaries treated each other respectfully, as warriors in fierce battle, now concluded. FDR & Churchill's destruction of Germany displayed no such character, just the sob-ness. nb. it's not unlikely that Union and Confederate soldiers fought and died in the precincts of Ft. Ritchie.

    The film featured seven or ten (I forget which) former "Ritchie Boys" returning to the base. They were truly ugly of soul and spirit. One man was particularly disgusting; he has children and grandchildren. I think they should be made to be ashamed of their vile progenitor.
    It was a low budget film, worthy of low class entities, regardless of the fact that some of them bruited their positions as professors or wealthy businessmen. They were lowlife thugs, then and now. Something like Sherman.

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  • @SolontoCroesus
    The V-2 was built at Nordhausen.

    Allies bombed Nordhausen, took photos of the dead & maimed, blamed their deaths on Nazees, used the photos as a key exhibit against said Nazees at Nuremberg trials.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vs1eR7hsT8

    Allies bombed Nordhausen to ensure that Stalin would not gain access to V-2 technology: FDR's bargains with Stalin might have led the Bolshevik leader to think he was entitled to that technology.

    WWII was a war of all against all, with Jews playing the role Yuri Slezkine assigned to them: brokers, "Mercurian" middle-men, traders, and profiteers.

    re "there should be a movie" -- there IS a movie: The Ritchie Boys celebrates the roles of German-Jewish teenagers who migrated to USA and were enlisted in US military, then trained at Camp Ritchie, near Gettysburg, PA, to infiltrate Germany, interrogate German POWs, encourage them to surrender, engage in sabotage, infiltrate German institutions and acquire German documents, then participate fully in prosecutions at Nuremberg trials.

    According to the Ritchie Boys film, one such Jewish spy infiltrated Nordhausen to secure the V 2 technology.

    Now, what was that part about your parents teaching you to respect Jews?

    :)

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  • @Verymuchalive
    Where is the evidence for this?
    Both US and West German Governments investigated and cleared him.
    By contrast there is abundant evidence for Truman's involvement in the nuking of hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians. In a sane society, someone like Truman would have been tried and convicted of war crimes.

    Some people may feel awful when looking at those images of suffering victims of the A bomb and they are right. But for each such photo, there are thousands of unsung untold images of suffering victims of atrocities and beastly acts at the hands of Japanese imperialism.

    I think most Chinese don’t hold grudges of the past, but we are all sure that these two American bombs saved lives and cut short of suffering of many, many millions of people, including millions of Japanese people. And for that we remain all thankful for the wisdom and courage of dropping these two bombs.

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    • Replies: @utu
    I met a lot of Chinese who did not hate Japanese and Japan as much as you do. Hate makes people irrational and often leads them to make wrong choices. So be careful.
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  • Where is the evidence for this?
    Both US and West German Governments investigated and cleared him.
    By contrast there is abundant evidence for Truman’s involvement in the nuking of hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians. In a sane society, someone like Truman would have been tried and convicted of war crimes.

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    Some people may feel awful when looking at those images of suffering victims of the A bomb and they are right. But for each such photo, there are thousands of unsung untold images of suffering victims of atrocities and beastly acts at the hands of Japanese imperialism.

    I think most Chinese don’t hold grudges of the past, but we are all sure that these two American bombs saved lives and cut short of suffering of many, many millions of people, including millions of Japanese people. And for that we remain all thankful for the wisdom and courage of dropping these two bombs.
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  • @Patrick Harris
    I'm not particularly interested in proving anything- I grew up near Huntsville, and am proud of the part it played in space flight history.

    Having said that, it's hard to be *that* sorry for Rudolph that his past association with working people to death caught up with him.

    Why don’t you consider “Huntsville” as communist as any school boy version of the mediocre Soviet Union? Huntsville was/is pure commie: Uncle Sam builds, houses, feeds, employs, provides health care, uniforms, instills pride, patriotism and obedience. A space themed military driven amusement park, with a country club gate that has only grown more vicious and exclusive. The closer you look, the USA was never close to what is said it was. NASA ended up murdering people when the money got tight.

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    • Replies: @Patrick Harris
    Is there any particular reason you're putting the name of a city in scare quotes?
    , @Hibernian
    Negligent homicide is not murder. You don't say that to the families of the victims.
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  • @Hibernian
    The US cleared him and let him in, and used his services in a great national endeavor, then we expelled him, a naturalized citizen with all the rights of a natural born citizen except the possibility of serving as President (and needing a waiting period to serve in Congress.) Wife and child were threatened. There was no deception on his part; the action was based on freely made admissions at the time of his entrance into the US. Buchanan is not equivalent to LaRouche. Ad hominem argument is a sign of weakness. The only connection with Hidden Figures was very casual.

    0 for 5

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    I score it 6 for 6. If you can be both participant and referee, so can I.
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  • @Hibernian
    A leftwing folk song really proves a lot. The King of Italy also switched sides and therefore had both Allied and Axis blood on his hands. War is hell.

    I’m not particularly interested in proving anything- I grew up near Huntsville, and am proud of the part it played in space flight history.

    Having said that, it’s hard to be *that* sorry for Rudolph that his past association with working people to death caught up with him.

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    Why don't you consider "Huntsville" as communist as any school boy version of the mediocre Soviet Union? Huntsville was/is pure commie: Uncle Sam builds, houses, feeds, employs, provides health care, uniforms, instills pride, patriotism and obedience. A space themed military driven amusement park, with a country club gate that has only grown more vicious and exclusive. The closer you look, the USA was never close to what is said it was. NASA ended up murdering people when the money got tight.
    , @JTL
    Oh please! When Prof. Friedwardt Winterberg took a sabbatical from teaching in the U.S. and visited Germany on a fact-finding mission regarding the Rudolph case, he found several men who had been forced laborers at the Mittelwerk. They all provided statements about Rudolph to the effect that:

    It was Dr. Rudolph who successfully lobbied to get the laborers better clothing, better rations, medical care. One of the former laborers said that he and everyone else he knew on the V2 line had "nothing but respect and esteem for Dr. Rudolph."

    Rudolph wasn't able to get all he asked for, such as 8-hour shifts instead of the brutal 12-hour shifts, but he did what he could. Moreover, he was himself only a civilian employee. He had no real authority. He wasn't responsible for the conditions there; he only did what little he could to ameliorate them.

    And during the war crimes trials at Dachau, hundreds of former prison laborers testified. They all spoke of the horrible treatment they received at the hands of the SS guards and kapos. But there was NOT ONE SINGLE COMPLAINT against Dr. Rudolph, or Dr. von Braun, or ANY of the civilian staff or scientists.

    Dr. Rudolph was railroaded by bigots bent on blind vengeance, not justice. Anyone who still respects our Magna Carta ethos should be outraged at what these bigots did to him. If you actually cared about American values, you should take the same view as did most of the Huntsville leadership at the time and condemn these acts rather than falling back on this self-righteous, sanctimonious garbage based on nothing but propaganda.
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  • The V-2 was built at Nordhausen.

    Allies bombed Nordhausen, took photos of the dead & maimed, blamed their deaths on Nazees, used the photos as a key exhibit against said Nazees at Nuremberg trials.

    Allies bombed Nordhausen to ensure that Stalin would not gain access to V-2 technology: FDR’s bargains with Stalin might have led the Bolshevik leader to think he was entitled to that technology.

    WWII was a war of all against all, with Jews playing the role Yuri Slezkine assigned to them: brokers, “Mercurian” middle-men, traders, and profiteers.

    re “there should be a movie” — there IS a movie: The Ritchie Boys celebrates the roles of German-Jewish teenagers who migrated to USA and were enlisted in US military, then trained at Camp Ritchie, near Gettysburg, PA, to infiltrate Germany, interrogate German POWs, encourage them to surrender, engage in sabotage, infiltrate German institutions and acquire German documents, then participate fully in prosecutions at Nuremberg trials.

    According to the Ritchie Boys film, one such Jewish spy infiltrated Nordhausen to secure the V 2 technology.

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    • Replies: @Sherman
    Now, what was that part about your parents teaching you to respect Jews?

    :)
    , @utu
    P.O. Box 114 - Interrogation center (most interrogators were Jewish-German Americans)
    https://www.nps.gov/articles/forthuntww2.htm
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  • @War for Blair Mountain
    Stars Wars was a part of a nuclear first strike weapons program against the Soviet Union. The Stars Wars weapons system was incapable of annihilating most of the incomming Soviet Missiles. The goal was for the Reagan Administration Was to pre-emptively strike the Soviet Union with nukes...and then to use the Star Wars System to take out a staggered Soviet Nuke response...nukes most definitely would have made it to the US.


    On at least two occasions the Reagan Administration came within minutes a starting Nuclear War.



    Six things are a direct consequence of the Cold War:1)Al Queda...the inspiration for ISIS...and 2)The passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act....3)The passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act.....4)The ongoing homo-pedophile norming of American Society.....5)Psychopathic WASP Cold Warrior Ashton Carter who threatens Conservative Orthodox Christian Russia in 2017 with thermonuclear extermination in the name of honosexual-tranny freak rights....6)The birth of Barack Obama which never would have occurred if his Kenyan Muslim Father had not been allowed into the America through a Cold War Foriegn Student Program to indoctrinate Young African Students into the "blessings" of Captialism.

    My comments are to be understood within the context of Alt Right Native Born White American Race Patriotism....with no apologies...

    thank you, THE major failing of anyone who discusses ANY comprehensive ‘defensive’ weapon/system, is that the ‘defensive’ apellation is pure, unadulterated bullshit… IF you have a ‘defensive’ capability which renders your enemies attack ineffective, thst means you have just made a first-strike capability that much more effective, if not inevitable…

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  • I well remember the “humor” about Werner von Braun such as “We Aim for the Stars”, but sometimes hit London. That would have been in the 60′s, so it is not exactly news. There is reference to the Jewish slave labor at Peeneminde in the movie “The Good German”, so that is not exactly news either.

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    • Replies: @JTL
    The forced laborers at Peenemunde were mostly Russians. I have not seen any documented reference to Jews there--which doesn't mean there weren't any, but probably very few.

    The Mittelwerk is another matter. Jews were not allow into the V2 factory there at all. There were said to be 21 or so different ethnic groups represented, but they were evidently mostly French nationals as reflected in the bulk of the testimonies at the Dachau trials.

    This fact doesn't stop contrary claims from being made. Last year I saw an article in the LA Times where a "journalist" flat out accused von Braun of "killing 20,000 Jews." Some Jewish publications make similar claims.

    I can only say that the Holocaust was surely bad enough for the Jews that they shouldn't have to claim other peoples' victim status as well.
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  • @par4
    Why isn't 'Berlin Station' about Reinhard Gehlen?

    Re: Gehlen

    A fine, balanced, well written article(incl. a bibliography)about him
    here:

    http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/wwii/articles/operationrusty.aspx

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    THX
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  • Let’s see if what I’m reading makes sense : ‘The mistreatment of an important US talent acquisition from the 3rd Reich should be a cause for widespread “shame.” Further, remember to celebrate the welfare, handouts and entitlements for the MIC, brought forth famously via Star Wars, starring Ronald Reagan. Finally, believe in fairy tales. Repeat the fable that fake spending on fake technology brought down the USSR.’

    Ironically and some years before the welfare program of ‘Star Wars’ was bestowed upon the last vestiges of actual US production – the Soviets were similarly paying their workers to pretend to do work in their own defense industry that was crowding out real production! The US already was in trouble, the middle class died by the 80s, so the Pentaplex wasn’t going down without a fight. By the time Reagan was installed, the so-called commies didn’t increase defense spending one bit. The USSR blamed Saudi Arabia, knowing they had defeated the Nazi’s (and their Wall Street Backers) long ago.

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  • This article suggests we went to the moon. I highly doubt it. These clips (below) do not show 3 astronauts who landed on the moon and participated in the greatest technological achievement. Rather they show 3 pawns perpetuating a fraud.

    In the last clip, Armstrong speaks of what potential there is if we can “remove one of truth’s protective layers”. I have to assume he’s referring to Freemasonry and hidden knowledge (lies).

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    • Replies: @Christopher Marlowe
    Thank you Paul C. No one has been to the moon. It was a HOAX. That is why we never built a base and we haven't been back. NASA is huge Masonic rip-off organization. Billions of dollars spent for what exactly? The ISS is fake. The Mars rovers are fake.

    People are hypnotized into thinking everything on TV is real. Planes slicing into the WTC when the wings should be sheared off. Astronauts bouncing in slow motion when they should move at normal speed.

    Our inability to discern reality explains why the US can train and equip "ISIS" and use them to topple governments, and then pretend to fight against them at the same time. But if you DOUBT it, then you are a CONSPIRACY THEORIST. Oh shudder the thought. Most of society has forgotten how to reason, but instead we cling to political correctness.
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  • @Patrick Harris
    Some wag noted that Von Braun's autobiography "I Aimed for the Stars" should have been subtitled "But Sometimes I Hit London."

    Then, of course, there was Tom Lehrer's classic:

    Gather round while I sing you of Wernher von Braun,
    A man whose allegiance
    Is ruled by expedience.
    Call him a Nazi, he won't even frown.
    "ha, Nazi sch-mazi," says Wernher von Braun.

    Don't say that he's hypocritical,
    Say rather that he's apolitical.
    "Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?
    That's not my department," says Wernher von Braun.

    Some have harsh words for this man of renown,
    But some think our attitude
    Should be one of gratitude,
    Like the widows and cripples in old London town
    Who owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun.

    You too may be a big hero,
    Once you've learned to count backwards to zero.
    "In German oder English I know how to count down,
    Und I'm learning Chinese," says Wernher von Braun.

    A leftwing folk song really proves a lot. The King of Italy also switched sides and therefore had both Allied and Axis blood on his hands. War is hell.

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    • Replies: @Patrick Harris
    I'm not particularly interested in proving anything- I grew up near Huntsville, and am proud of the part it played in space flight history.

    Having said that, it's hard to be *that* sorry for Rudolph that his past association with working people to death caught up with him.
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  • @iffen
    Is there credible evidence that indicates the degree of Rudolph’s culpability in procuring and using slave labor in his projects?

    Did he conceal any such culpability in his early interviews?

    If you believe(d) that the Nazis were defending Western Civilization, doesn’t that raise a red flag? (Or should that be a red and black flag?)

    If two of your most prominent defenders were Pat Buchanan and Lyndon LaRouche, should that be taken as evidence of guilt?

    What exactly is in a mind that allows a connection of the Rudolph case with Hidden Figures?

    The US cleared him and let him in, and used his services in a great national endeavor, then we expelled him, a naturalized citizen with all the rights of a natural born citizen except the possibility of serving as President (and needing a waiting period to serve in Congress.) Wife and child were threatened. There was no deception on his part; the action was based on freely made admissions at the time of his entrance into the US. Buchanan is not equivalent to LaRouche. Ad hominem argument is a sign of weakness. The only connection with Hidden Figures was very casual.

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  • @Astuteobservor II
    reagan brought in the zionists, neocons into the very top of our govt. they got their foot in the door through him. and they never left. reagan's star wars program was completely unnecessary as soviet union was dying no matter what. if you ask me, the star wars program was him taking credit for something he 100% didn't do and throwing money at the MIC/contractors.

    The Star Wars laser battle system was a direct threat to Russia…it was a crucial component of a pre-emptive first strike against Russia-Soviet Union which forced the Soviet Union to go to launch-0n-warning…we were a flock-of-seaguls..or pidgeons away from thermonuclear mass murder-it almost happened during the “glorious” Ronnie Reagan years.

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    • Replies: @Reuphen
    And Hindoos, Chinese, Koreans & Sikhs were responsible for it... Ain't that right there Brokeback Mountain?
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  • We could have done it without the Germans, but it might have taken a bit longer … back then we actually had home-grown aerospace engineers, even as late as the end of the Cold War 1.0 (like myself). There might still be a few here and there, but a lot of us were pushed out of the business by cheaper H1Bs, and anyone with any technical bent seems more interested in writing the next hot app rather than building rockets. I do note that JPL has more than a few people who look like they were US born, so I guess we can have some hope for the future, but they need a budget to build the rockets we need to get off this rock before the next undiscovered 1000 foot wide asteroid solves all of our earthbound problems. Mr Trump really needs to build that wall, if only to create some demand for home-grown engineers of various stripes.

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  • @Wally
    The Rudolph case is typical of the manufactured charges & show trials they faced.

    The entire premise of:
    'Oh my god, they were Nazis'
    is based upon easily debunked lies.

    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com


    "Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."

    - Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist
     

    Also see:
    The Myth of a Nazi Extermination of Homosexuals by Jack Wikoff
    http://www.cwporter.com/homo.htm

    Gypsies and Homosexuals in the Camps
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1894

    homosexuals - Yad Vashem ...
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1930

    The 'homosexuals & gypsies' canard is merely an attempt by Zionist Jews to buy votes for their laughable and impossible '6M & gas chambers'.

    The Nazis gathered all together in one big old room/ They were there to discuss ideas for the Jewish doom! / Said the Fuhrer to the boys,”Have you a plan at last?” /Up piped Goebbels with a smile,”We’ll have one million gassed!” /Hitler frowned and said,”Well boys,tell me why cant we do TWO?” /Up jumped Borman smiling brightly,”Its something we can do! / “Fat for soap,lampshade skin and bones for fertilizer/ Hell we can do FOUR and maybe more,lets do it for the Kaiser!” / “Now you’re talking”,said the Fuhrer,” no more shuck and jive!/ In fact theres gold for all of you,if you can give me FIVE!”/ Himmler rose and cleared his throat, he was angry that’s for sure/ “You guys are a bunch of shmucks!” he said,” You’re all rank amateurs!”/ Hitler smiled,so pleased at him,the baddest Nazi around/ “OK Himmie,this shits the jimmy! How is it goin down?”/ “Gas chambers are now being built,and crematoriums too/ When all is done and said,SIX MILLION DEAD,so take that Mr. Fancypants Jew!”

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    Don't quit your day job.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    LOL
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  • @Wally
    Proof?

    joe is talking about stuff like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 and the nanjing massacre. we got all of unit 731′s research by giving them protection. you can easily google for info for these. we did profit greatly from ww2, in every way possible. it is why if china becomes a direct democracy right now, they would go to war with japan tomorrow. it is why I don’t understand all the retards wanting china to become a democracy so bad.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    "Stuff like" Nanjing?

    What "stuff"?

    Heretofore, I have seen only agenda driven claims about Nanjing, but no proof of the allegations.

    Wikipedia? Seriously.
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  • @Verymuchalive
    The last President to stand up to the Jewish Lobby was Eisenhower. Rudolph's ostracism, for such it was, occurred in 1984 during the watch of Ronald Reagan. For all his virtues, Reagan never said no to the Zionists.
    A more politically aware Rudolph would have left the US for South America in the late 1960s/early 1970s and never returned.
    What did Henry Kissinger say about being a Friend of America ? It certainly applies here.

    reagan brought in the zionists, neocons into the very top of our govt. they got their foot in the door through him. and they never left. reagan’s star wars program was completely unnecessary as soviet union was dying no matter what. if you ask me, the star wars program was him taking credit for something he 100% didn’t do and throwing money at the MIC/contractors.

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    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    The Star Wars laser battle system was a direct threat to Russia...it was a crucial component of a pre-emptive first strike against Russia-Soviet Union which forced the Soviet Union to go to launch-0n-warning...we were a flock-of-seaguls..or pidgeons away from thermonuclear mass murder-it almost happened during the "glorious" Ronnie Reagan years.
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  • Some wag noted that Von Braun’s autobiography “I Aimed for the Stars” should have been subtitled “But Sometimes I Hit London.”

    Then, of course, there was Tom Lehrer’s classic:

    Gather round while I sing you of Wernher von Braun,
    A man whose allegiance
    Is ruled by expedience.
    Call him a Nazi, he won’t even frown.
    “ha, Nazi sch-mazi,” says Wernher von Braun.

    Don’t say that he’s hypocritical,
    Say rather that he’s apolitical.
    “Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?
    That’s not my department,” says Wernher von Braun.

    Some have harsh words for this man of renown,
    But some think our attitude
    Should be one of gratitude,
    Like the widows and cripples in old London town
    Who owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun.

    You too may be a big hero,
    Once you’ve learned to count backwards to zero.
    “In German oder English I know how to count down,
    Und I’m learning Chinese,” says Wernher von Braun.

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    • Replies: @Hibernian
    A leftwing folk song really proves a lot. The King of Italy also switched sides and therefore had both Allied and Axis blood on his hands. War is hell.
    , @JTL
    So you quote this silly piece by Tom Lehrer in its entirety--do you think you've actually added something to this discussion?

    Oh, and there is no such book as "I Aimed at the Stars." Dr. von Braun wrote no autobiography.
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  • @iffen
    Is there credible evidence that indicates the degree of Rudolph’s culpability in procuring and using slave labor in his projects?

    Did he conceal any such culpability in his early interviews?

    If you believe(d) that the Nazis were defending Western Civilization, doesn’t that raise a red flag? (Or should that be a red and black flag?)

    If two of your most prominent defenders were Pat Buchanan and Lyndon LaRouche, should that be taken as evidence of guilt?

    What exactly is in a mind that allows a connection of the Rudolph case with Hidden Figures?

    Do you believe in the impossible? Or are you just doing your hasbarist dance.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    Indeed, the Germans were trying to stop Communism while Roosevelt turned over half of Europe to the Communists.
    Roosevelt put Japanese-Americans, German-Americans, & Italian-Americans into slave labor concentration camps.

    Why have supremacist Jews have been marketing the ’6,000,000′ lie since at least 1869?

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    • Replies: @Joe Wong
    Wally, the stuff in the forum.codoh.com is the same tricks used by the Japanese to white wash and deny their war crimes, crimes against peace, and crimes against humanity; such as questioning the minute details, presenting false evidence, watering down events, outright denial, pointing fingers, accuse victim aggressively, …., the same morally defunct evil propaganda the American is using to wage reckless wars around the world on the moral high ground.
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  • @Joe Wong
    The shameful treatment America meted out to Arthur Rudolph is a child play comparing to the morally defunct behaviour the American has performed in shielding the beastly Japanese war criminals from being prosecuted and hung for the war crimes and crimes against humanity they committed in exchange for the bio-chem warfare data the Japanese collected thru cruelty beyond the possibility of human imagination.

    Japanese accumulated their bio-chem warfare data through deliberate targeted bombings, disgusting human experimentation at Unit 731 in Harbin or mutilation and dismemberment, or having their vaginas and rectums skewered with tree branches and iron rods, or their babies bayoneted for practice, or beheading, or experimented on with germs like bubonic plague, malaria, typhoid, syphilis, gonorrhea, or having their blood exchanged with horse blood, or having their limbs exchanged with another person's, and last but not least, having their bodies cut open without anesthesia. The victims of Japanese barbarism and cruelty are not only Chinese and Korean; they also include American, British, Australian, Dutch and SE Asians.

    The American has been rearming the unrepentant war criminal Japanese in their Empire of Chaos project to achieve the global full spectrum dominance. American is the ‘God-fearing’ morally defunct evil ‘inquisitors’, the dark and ugly of the American past is buried far deeper than the article has revealed.

    Proof?

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    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    joe is talking about stuff like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 and the nanjing massacre. we got all of unit 731's research by giving them protection. you can easily google for info for these. we did profit greatly from ww2, in every way possible. it is why if china becomes a direct democracy right now, they would go to war with japan tomorrow. it is why I don't understand all the retards wanting china to become a democracy so bad.
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  • @Fran Macadam
    The cynical irony is that U.S. policy after WWII was to rehabilitate Nazis for various influential roles in West Germany, as a bulwark against the former Stalinist ally of the war, now become the Stalinist Enemy of the Cold War.

    “Rehabilitate” from what?

    The impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’?

    Stop drinking the Kool-Aid

    http://www.codoh.com

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

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  • Friends, if “Hidden Figures” insults your ethnic sensibilities, suggest you rent the movie “October Sky”. This movie includes a very kind portrayal of Werner von Braun. Great movie; kid friendly.

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  • @Dan Hayes
    Mr. McInnis,

    Thank you for reporting on this travesty of US justice. Once Rudolph was no longer of use, the authorities disposed of him. The temptation was probably to do the same to von Braun, but his celebrity status while alive probably held at bay those forces wishing to dispose of him. Perhaps if von Braun had lived longer they too would have went after him. I heard some mutterings about von Braun's alleged "war crimes" some time after his death.

    I remember first reading about Rudolph some years ago in an article in 21st Century Science & Technology magazine. There they made the case about the injustice that was being meted out to him. The synopsis you provided ("An American in Exile") was quite informative and interesting.

    The shameful treatment America meted out to Arthur Rudolph is a child play comparing to the morally defunct behaviour the American has performed in shielding the beastly Japanese war criminals from being prosecuted and hung for the war crimes and crimes against humanity they committed in exchange for the bio-chem warfare data the Japanese collected thru cruelty beyond the possibility of human imagination.

    Japanese accumulated their bio-chem warfare data through deliberate targeted bombings, disgusting human experimentation at Unit 731 in Harbin or mutilation and dismemberment, or having their vaginas and rectums skewered with tree branches and iron rods, or their babies bayoneted for practice, or beheading, or experimented on with germs like bubonic plague, malaria, typhoid, syphilis, gonorrhea, or having their blood exchanged with horse blood, or having their limbs exchanged with another person’s, and last but not least, having their bodies cut open without anesthesia. The victims of Japanese barbarism and cruelty are not only Chinese and Korean; they also include American, British, Australian, Dutch and SE Asians.

    The American has been rearming the unrepentant war criminal Japanese in their Empire of Chaos project to achieve the global full spectrum dominance. American is the ‘God-fearing’ morally defunct evil ‘inquisitors’, the dark and ugly of the American past is buried far deeper than the article has revealed.

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    Proof?
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  • Is there credible evidence that indicates the degree of Rudolph’s culpability in procuring and using slave labor in his projects?

    Did he conceal any such culpability in his early interviews?

    If you believe(d) that the Nazis were defending Western Civilization, doesn’t that raise a red flag? (Or should that be a red and black flag?)

    If two of your most prominent defenders were Pat Buchanan and Lyndon LaRouche, should that be taken as evidence of guilt?

    What exactly is in a mind that allows a connection of the Rudolph case with Hidden Figures?

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Do you believe in the impossible? Or are you just doing your hasbarist dance.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Indeed, the Germans were trying to stop Communism while Roosevelt turned over half of Europe to the Communists.
    Roosevelt put Japanese-Americans, German-Americans, & Italian-Americans into slave labor concentration camps.

    Why have supremacist Jews have been marketing the '6,000,000' lie since at least 1869?

    http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k598/WhiteWolf722/TheSixMillionMyth.jpg

    , @Hibernian
    The US cleared him and let him in, and used his services in a great national endeavor, then we expelled him, a naturalized citizen with all the rights of a natural born citizen except the possibility of serving as President (and needing a waiting period to serve in Congress.) Wife and child were threatened. There was no deception on his part; the action was based on freely made admissions at the time of his entrance into the US. Buchanan is not equivalent to LaRouche. Ad hominem argument is a sign of weakness. The only connection with Hidden Figures was very casual.
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  • (1975) CIA Admits Using News To Manipulate the USA

    This is an old clip showing admittance of the CIA that they use the mainstream media to manipulate the thoughts and ideas of American citizens in the USA. This has not changed obviously and is good to know happened in the past due to our reality today.

    http://youtu.be/5ED63A_hcd0

    9/23/1975 Tom Charles Huston Church Committee Testimony

    Tom Charles Huston testified before the Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, commonly known as the Church Committee, on the 43-page plan he presented to the President Nixon and others on ways to collect information about anti-war and “radical” groups, including burglary, electronic surveillance, and opening of mail.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?408953-1/tom-charles-huston-testimony-church-committee

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  • And since the US ran out of German Nazi’s they depend on Russian rocket technology now.. keep laughing at “russian technology!” when the rest of the world knows who rules space.. oh by the way.. it was german Nazi’s used in US (CIA) Propaganda, but Yugoslavia provided Kennedy with real blueprints.. yup.. now that is “a secret” americans don’t like to talk about .. either.

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    • Replies: @utu
    "but Yugoslavia provided Kennedy with real blueprints"

    Can you elaborate?
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  • Why isn’t ‘Berlin Station’ about Reinhard Gehlen?

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    • Replies: @Gunga(just call me Al)Din
    Re: Gehlen

    A fine, balanced, well written article(incl. a bibliography)about him
    here:

    http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/wwii/articles/operationrusty.aspx
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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    Victory in the Space Race. Victory in the Cold War. All coming from the decision to bring former European enemies like Arthur Rudolph into our country.

    You forgot the “victory” over Nazism. I wonder if you should try also to claim the credit for Sun rising and change of seasons, say start with Summer changing to Autumn.

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