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    In the early hours of 28th September 1994, a pleasure ship, MS Estonia, sank in the Baltic Sea. Of the 989 people on board, a staggering 852 died. Bizarrely, some 650 were found below decks—unable to believe what was happening, they had made no attempt to save their lives Why? One possibility: humans used to...
  • @anonymous
    A large part of the problem seems to be the promiscuous handing out of welfare to anyone and everyone. This is paying third worlders to come. No welfare no welfare tourists. Of course there's all the legal and ideological baggage that prevents something so simple from being implemented. The paralysis of will to survive is indeed strange to behold. Just a while ago the various Europeans were happily tearing each other to pieces like wild dogs. Now they are helpless sheep. What happened?

    A large part of the problem seems to be the promiscuous handing out of welfare to anyone and everyone.

    Your Milton-Friedman-esque bleating is fifty years out of date, and it was bullshit back then, too.

    Economic migrants (browns blacks and yellows) are transported by Jews and other capitalists/communists, and the migrants’ destruction of the host civilizations is a happy side effect for these leaders who like to gain power through chaos and divide-and-conquer. White patriarchy (i.e. western civ) is their eternal enemy.

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  • The only book in English that covers WWII from a detailed Finnish perspective is this one published in 1952: Heroic Finland by by David Hinshaw. Other sources are a bad joke as many poorly informed comments above demonstrate.

    Available used at amazon or read for free online:

    https://archive.org/details/heroicfinland008577mbp

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  • @Archimedes

    But others like it – we just had a person convert at the Friday prayer last week.
     
    To all commentators and Talha:

    I'm a millennial and know someone who converted to Islam. It definitely does happen, probably with a higher frequency than most may think.

    Hey Archimedes,

    I’m not sure why your friend converted, but most of the converts I know (now a days, the motivation was slightly different in the 90′s and pre-9/11) are basically opting out of materialist post-modernism. The more we get criticized for not getting on board with the program, the more certain people are attracted to the message*.

    Lately, I’m even starting to see more tattooed White guys with those huge earring things starting to sign up.

    Peace.

    *Note: On the flip side, we are losing Muslims to materialist post-modernism – and not an insignificant number either. And they usually don’t like the fact that Islam isn’t down with feminism and gay pride – well, what can you do?

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  • @Talha
    Hey OCF,

    Talha, why are you in the West
     
    If my father had moved us to Guatemala or China, I would be there instead. Six year old boys don't make those decisions.

    As far as staying on in the West; my wife is a convert, she feels she has a right as anyone else to be here. We've talked about moving to a Muslim land, but that decision is pending how our kids are able to keep their religious identity and how the environment turns out. If my spiritual teachers stick it out, likely I will. They have told us that we should make sure our intention to be in the West (or any other non-Muslim land) is to invite people to the faith and do our part to uplift society - sticking around for material gain is not a good enough reason to put your faith in jeopardy.

    if you have such a low opinion of the West and its people
     
    On the contrary, I have a high opinion of them. As I said; "If they are good people and treat us well in their lands, then I’m grateful and feel blessed and their reward is with God". And we are treated very well in the West.

    Now there are some people who hate us - they want us dead or gone and will do anything to achieve that. So? What're we going to do? Cry about it or just keep doing what we're supposed to be doing? This is all part of the way this works - we've already been told about how the game goes:
    "Do men think that they will be left alone upon saying, 'We believe', and that they will not be tested? We have certainly tried those before them, and Allah will surely make evident those who are truthful, and He will surely make evident the false." (29:2-3)

    "You will surely be tested in your possessions and in yourselves. And you will surely hear from those who were given the Scripture before you and from those who associate others with Allah much abuse. But if you are patient and fear Allah - indeed that will be a determining factor in all affairs." (3:186)

    Like I said - go big or go home - no whining.

    And I know enough about Western history to know what can happen in times of crisis and mass hysteria. We could easily be blamed for all ills (true, false, whatever) and set upon.

    So - do I think we will all be rounded up and killed or shipped out? No - I have a better opinion about the people of the West than that.

    Would I be surprised if it happens? No - because I don't have any expectations.

    One must understand the difference between "hopes" and "expectations".

    But I have strong expectations from Muslims in the West to behave themselves and be of benefit to their host societies.

    In many ways, our cultures and nations have been hollowed out to make you comfortable.
     
    I understand that - right now the culture of the West is in decline on multiple fronts - the population cannot sustain itself. Something has gone seriously wrong - the indiscriminate mass immigration policies are part of that; this started happening before we arrived. So - what is to be done about it? Something needs to change, right? Islam offers a game plan to fix things, it might not be the game plan some people like and that's fine. But others like it - we just had a person convert at the Friday prayer last week. Either way, pick a game plan and roll with it because time is of the essence.

    As far as what the people of the West are capable of...you may surprise us all:
    https://youtu.be/Z89USBg5mBs?t=2m52s

    Peace.

    But others like it – we just had a person convert at the Friday prayer last week.

    To all commentators and Talha:

    I’m a millennial and know someone who converted to Islam. It definitely does happen, probably with a higher frequency than most may think.

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    Hey Archimedes,

    I'm not sure why your friend converted, but most of the converts I know (now a days, the motivation was slightly different in the 90's and pre-9/11) are basically opting out of materialist post-modernism. The more we get criticized for not getting on board with the program, the more certain people are attracted to the message*.

    Lately, I'm even starting to see more tattooed White guys with those huge earring things starting to sign up.

    Peace.

    *Note: On the flip side, we are losing Muslims to materialist post-modernism - and not an insignificant number either. And they usually don't like the fact that Islam isn't down with feminism and gay pride - well, what can you do?
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  • @Anonymous
    The "good people" with no backbone will eventually look to Russia who will be more than happy to clean up their mess. Every thing has its price. Every nation always comes to their manufactured precipice.

    Hard times create great men, great men create great nations, great nations breed weaker men during good times, weaker men create weak nations, weak nations fall creating hard times. Hard times create great men.......Rise and Repeat forever it seems.
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    The “good people” with no backbone will eventually look to Russia who will be more than happy to clean up their mess. Every thing has its price. Every nation always comes to their manufactured precipice.

    Hard times create great men, great men create great nations, great nations breed weaker men during good times, weaker men create weak nations, weak nations fall creating hard times. Hard times create great men…….Rise and Repeat forever it seems.

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    • Replies: @Archimedes
    My thoughts exactly on this issue. See my first post up thread.

    https://www.unz.com/article/finland-at-100-frozen-by-fear-dragged-to-a-multicultural-grave/#comment-2136412

    https://www.unz.com/article/finland-at-100-frozen-by-fear-dragged-to-a-multicultural-grave/#comment-2137633

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  • @German_reader

    Besides, they come to Russia to work
     
    So did Pakistanis in Britain and Arabs in France. Didn't turn out that great.

    Did they also return when there was no work?

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  • @Cyrano
    The only reason why Finland is having this national crisis is because they lived for so long in the shadow of a phony world called communism. Then one day they woke up and discovered the new wonderful – real world of multiculturalism. It seems that it’s not working for Finland at the moment, but this is not the time to despair. The system just needs little bit tweaking – that’s all. And if Finland is looking for ideas – they should look no further than at the inventors of this wonderful system – the US. So this is what they could learn from the masterminds of this system: You need to construct 2 types of communities immediately.

    1. Gated communities

    2. Ghetto communities.

    The first will be used to house the native population, sort of reserves for the original habitants, where they would continue to exist for some time in ever dwindling numbers, which in the final stages it will turn kind of into a zoo, where the new comers can come and look at the exotic species nearing extinction.

    The second type of community will be used to house the newcomers. In it they’ll let loose their natural instincts to roam freely, start riots, engage in vandalism, rob, pillage and murder, basically enhanced version of their natural habitat, sort of like Disney version of the life styles that they couldn’t quite engage in back home, but thanks to the generosity and understanding of the morons that accepted them, they can now live in their fantasy world.

    The first will be used to house the native population, sort of reserves for the original habitants, where they would continue to exist for some time in ever dwindling numbers, which in the final stages it will turn kind of into a zoo, where the new comers can come and look at the exotic species nearing extinction.

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  • @utu
    Suicide and Muslims is very bad combination. They do not like to do it alone. Let them suicide themselves in Muslim ways in their own countries.

    Suicide and Muslims is very bad combination. They do not like to do it alone. Let them suicide themselves in Muslim ways in their own countries.

    I see that you’ve given up on trying to formulate any sort of remotely coherent argument, or really, making any sense at all.

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  • @Daniel Chieh
    FWIW, as you seem to be European and familiar with Europe, you probably know that Finland will never have a substantial portion of immigrants, any more than Nepal will. The land itself kills people. Between the deathly cold and the darkness, it has one of the highest suicide rates in the world and the immigrants have chosen to go to Sweden instead.

    Suicide and Muslims is very bad combination. They do not like to do it alone. Let them suicide themselves in Muslim ways in their own countries.

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    Suicide and Muslims is very bad combination. They do not like to do it alone. Let them suicide themselves in Muslim ways in their own countries.
     
    I see that you've given up on trying to formulate any sort of remotely coherent argument, or really, making any sense at all.
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  • @Daniel Chieh
    FWIW, as you seem to be European and familiar with Europe, you probably know that Finland will never have a substantial portion of immigrants, any more than Nepal will. The land itself kills people. Between the deathly cold and the darkness, it has one of the highest suicide rates in the world and the immigrants have chosen to go to Sweden instead.

    FWIW, as you seem to be European and familiar with Europe, you probably know that Finland will never have a substantial portion of immigrants, any more than Nepal will

    Well, people who really are refugees from a war zone might not be too picky and would go anywhere that would take them. However, another important fact is that Finland is in the EU and part of the Schengen zone, which allows free movement. Once anybody got residency in Finland, he is free to move to any other Schengen zone country. So, it seems to me that very many people who are from the Middle East or Africa or wherever would find Finland to be a very cold, inhospitable place and move somewhere further south once they could.

    That all seems like common sense, though I haven’t seen any hard statistics on this. What does seem pretty clear is that Finland is not really being flooded with Muslims or any other sort of immigration. The largest single non-European group in Finland are the Somali community, which is about 17,000 people apparently. Unless somebody is numerically illiterate, they should immediately see that that is pretty minor. So I’m quite certain that this article is basically fraudulent.

    What is interesting is that there is clearly some propaganda agenda here, where whatever political faction wants to plant the idea in people’s minds that Finland, of all places, is being overrun by Muslims or whatever, when this is clearly not so. What is their agenda? That seems like the interesting question. Debating whether Finland really is full of Muslims strikes me as a waste of time. Obviously, it just isn’t.

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  • @AaronB
    That's because Jews believe anger is healthy and good, but most other traditions think anger needs to be overcome. Especially self-interested anger.

    Like most Jews, it's obvious you cultivate and nurture your anger. But instead of encouraging others to be angry, why not try and raise yourself to a higher level?

    Being "fully human" doesn't have to mean being in thrall to our baser biological urges. It's possible to rise to a higher level and not be angry when others insult us.

    I think when Jews finally undersrand this, they'll take the first step towards healing.

    That’s because Jews believe anger is healthy and good,

    Well, to be completely fair, there is some truth to your observations about the Judaeic culture or temperament. However, in the context, I cannot see it as all that relevant.

    With just about anybody of any ethnic group, surely if you start with this nonsense about how it’s part of that group’s culture to copulate with animals or grope women in public places and just all the calumnies that Muslims are subjected to, just about anybody would finally get openly pissed off. Yet Talha never does.

    And then there is the question of all these obvious false flags. They ran one this summer near where I live, in Barcelona. It’s such a completely shoddy stitch-up and obviously the Arab ethnic kids they framed as terrorists were just patsies, as usual. Same old, same old. But anyway, I have a friend who knows a lot of people, and in particular, knows people in the Arab community. He tells me, and I believe him, that in the Arab community here, nobody believes this story. I mean, NOBODY.

    Still, what happens is that the self-appointed community leaders all accept (in public, anyway) the official story and do this whole Uncle Talha hand-wringing lickspittle number, marching and condemning “radical Islamic terrorism”. “We good Muzzies, yessah…” They do this, almost certainly, in the full knowledge that these kids (all conveniently dead) didn’t do anything and were framed.

    Now, my friend told me that the younger people in the community are completely incensed at the older people for going along with this story. By and large, they are just seething. The older people, on the other hand, I guess they decide to go along with this whole story because they figure that this is just some indignity that they have to put up with to continue with their lives here.

    Actually, I understand why they do what they do. This appalling Talha character, with his lickspittle mentality, is pretty disgusting. But I actually do kinda understand it, this whole impossible position that Muslims living in the West are put in. I do understand it but it’s pretty horrendous. This whole Omar Sharif sweet Muzzie synthetic character that he presents… it’s pretty loathsome really, at least to me.

    What I find especially galling about the whole Uncle Talha shtick is the way he represents that this craven, sniveling cowardice is somehow the result of his higher spiritual attainment — or whatever bullshit. That is pretty hard to take.

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  • @Daniel Chieh
    FWIW, as you seem to be European and familiar with Europe, you probably know that Finland will never have a substantial portion of immigrants, any more than Nepal will. The land itself kills people. Between the deathly cold and the darkness, it has one of the highest suicide rates in the world and the immigrants have chosen to go to Sweden instead.

    Hey Daniel Chieh,

    The land itself kills people.

    Yeah – it’s actually a fairly good defense strategy – hole up in a land that nobody really cares to fight for. You win…while you lose…

    Peace.

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  • @utu

    I’m advocating that Finland should be full of Muslims
     
    I am glad you have finally admitted it. Yes, I just quoted only a fragment of the sentence you wrote but, you see, the part "it’s not that" is a lie, a dissimulation.

    Your interest in false flag events of which you wrote in your first article here does not stem from a genuine curiosity on you part. You are a crusader against alleged libel and alleged defamation of Muslims in general. You, Jonathan Revusky, are an army of one, a single man Muslim ADL. You do not care about the truth. You are unable to be objective and even handed. Any negative statement about Muslims gets you going to the point you become irrational. You do not care about Finns and you hate those Finns who do not want Muslims in their country. You do not care that 9/11 was a false flag and you are not outraged that possibly American government perpetrated it. All you care is to make a point that Muslims are exonerated. That's why you write about false flags.

    FWIW, as you seem to be European and familiar with Europe, you probably know that Finland will never have a substantial portion of immigrants, any more than Nepal will. The land itself kills people. Between the deathly cold and the darkness, it has one of the highest suicide rates in the world and the immigrants have chosen to go to Sweden instead.

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    Hey Daniel Chieh,

    The land itself kills people.
     
    Yeah - it's actually a fairly good defense strategy - hole up in a land that nobody really cares to fight for. You win...while you lose...

    Peace.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    FWIW, as you seem to be European and familiar with Europe, you probably know that Finland will never have a substantial portion of immigrants, any more than Nepal will
     
    Well, people who really are refugees from a war zone might not be too picky and would go anywhere that would take them. However, another important fact is that Finland is in the EU and part of the Schengen zone, which allows free movement. Once anybody got residency in Finland, he is free to move to any other Schengen zone country. So, it seems to me that very many people who are from the Middle East or Africa or wherever would find Finland to be a very cold, inhospitable place and move somewhere further south once they could.

    That all seems like common sense, though I haven't seen any hard statistics on this. What does seem pretty clear is that Finland is not really being flooded with Muslims or any other sort of immigration. The largest single non-European group in Finland are the Somali community, which is about 17,000 people apparently. Unless somebody is numerically illiterate, they should immediately see that that is pretty minor. So I'm quite certain that this article is basically fraudulent.

    What is interesting is that there is clearly some propaganda agenda here, where whatever political faction wants to plant the idea in people's minds that Finland, of all places, is being overrun by Muslims or whatever, when this is clearly not so. What is their agenda? That seems like the interesting question. Debating whether Finland really is full of Muslims strikes me as a waste of time. Obviously, it just isn't.
    , @utu
    Suicide and Muslims is very bad combination. They do not like to do it alone. Let them suicide themselves in Muslim ways in their own countries.
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  • @utu

    I’m advocating that Finland should be full of Muslims
     
    I am glad you have finally admitted it. Yes, I just quoted only a fragment of the sentence you wrote but, you see, the part "it’s not that" is a lie, a dissimulation.

    Your interest in false flag events of which you wrote in your first article here does not stem from a genuine curiosity on you part. You are a crusader against alleged libel and alleged defamation of Muslims in general. You, Jonathan Revusky, are an army of one, a single man Muslim ADL. You do not care about the truth. You are unable to be objective and even handed. Any negative statement about Muslims gets you going to the point you become irrational. You do not care about Finns and you hate those Finns who do not want Muslims in their country. You do not care that 9/11 was a false flag and you are not outraged that possibly American government perpetrated it. All you care is to make a point that Muslims are exonerated. That's why you write about false flags.

    Yes, I just quoted only a fragment of the sentence you wrote but, you see, the part “it’s not that” is a lie, a dissimulation.

    Me: I looked at the statistics and there are hardly any Muslims in Finland.

    You (and others): Well, you obviously want mass immigration of Muslims into FInland.

    Me: Huh? When did I say that? I just said that I looked into it and there are very few Muslims in Finland. I never expressed any view about how many Muslims should be in Finland.

    You: You’re dissimulating. You want Finland to be full of Muslims blah blah.

    Well, look at it this way, utu. Before a few days ago, when this fraudulent article came out, I had no idea how many Muslims there were in Finland. I just didn’t know.

    Why did I not know?

    Simple, obvious answer: I didn’t really care. It’s easy to look up, but I never did because I never cared about the question. So, just on the face of it, doesn’t that suggest that I’m basically being honest, i.e. I don’t actually really care very much how many Muslims there are in Finland.

    But anyway, this is an example of the extreme mental squalor in which somebody like you operates. You do not possess the most basic elements of critical thinking, one of which is the distinction between a positive, or descriptive statement, on the one hand, and a normative statement on the other.

    To say there are not very many Muslims in Finland is simply a positive/descriptive statement. There are some but it’s comparable to the number of black people in Maine or something like that. It’s something like 50,000 Muslims in a country with over 5 million people.

    Note that this is a statement about Finland. There are other places in Europe where one could say there are a lot of Muslims. I was in Marseilles this summer with Linh Dinh. Marseilles is about 20% Muslim according to the official statistics. I could imagine saying that Marseilles is full of Muslims i.e. there are an awful lot of Muslims in Marseilles. To me, that is a factual statement. Now, somebody could interpret that as me saying there are far too many Muslims in Marseilles, i.e. there should be fewer, which would be a normative statement. But in that instnace, I didn’t say that either. I simply said there are a lot of Muslims in Marseilles.

    But when you can’t even distinguish between a descriptive/positive statement and a normative statement and just start talking as if one kind of statement is the other, then you can’t really have a serious conversation. Of course, it’s just a form of straw-manning, it’s just putting words in somebody else’s mouth, but it’s of some interest to see how you guys just constantly resort to the same sophomoric debating tricks. And it’s just so masturbatory. Why do you even bother, utu? There are such better ways of spending your time. I hear there are bestiality brothels sprouting up all over the place. Why don’t you go copulate with a pony?

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  • @OilcanFloyd
    Talha, why are you in the West if you have such a low opinion of the West and its people?

    Islam isn't my cup of tea, and I word never want to live is a Muslim country. I'd like normalized and respectful relations, but I have no way of influencing what goes on at that level.

    One thing that many immigrants in the West don't seem to understand is that much of what they like about mass media, throw away culture and so-called modernity is artificial. In many ways, our cultures and nations have been hollowed out to make you comfortable. You don't know what it was like before you came, or what was lost. Just like many Latinos can't imagine how much nicer, freer, more civil, etc. things were before they got here, and what a negative impact their presence represents.

    Hey OCF,

    Talha, why are you in the West

    If my father had moved us to Guatemala or China, I would be there instead. Six year old boys don’t make those decisions.

    As far as staying on in the West; my wife is a convert, she feels she has a right as anyone else to be here. We’ve talked about moving to a Muslim land, but that decision is pending how our kids are able to keep their religious identity and how the environment turns out. If my spiritual teachers stick it out, likely I will. They have told us that we should make sure our intention to be in the West (or any other non-Muslim land) is to invite people to the faith and do our part to uplift society – sticking around for material gain is not a good enough reason to put your faith in jeopardy.

    if you have such a low opinion of the West and its people

    On the contrary, I have a high opinion of them. As I said; “If they are good people and treat us well in their lands, then I’m grateful and feel blessed and their reward is with God”. And we are treated very well in the West.

    Now there are some people who hate us – they want us dead or gone and will do anything to achieve that. So? What’re we going to do? Cry about it or just keep doing what we’re supposed to be doing? This is all part of the way this works – we’ve already been told about how the game goes:
    “Do men think that they will be left alone upon saying, ‘We believe’, and that they will not be tested? We have certainly tried those before them, and Allah will surely make evident those who are truthful, and He will surely make evident the false.” (29:2-3)

    “You will surely be tested in your possessions and in yourselves. And you will surely hear from those who were given the Scripture before you and from those who associate others with Allah much abuse. But if you are patient and fear Allah – indeed that will be a determining factor in all affairs.” (3:186)

    Like I said – go big or go home – no whining.

    And I know enough about Western history to know what can happen in times of crisis and mass hysteria. We could easily be blamed for all ills (true, false, whatever) and set upon.

    So – do I think we will all be rounded up and killed or shipped out? No – I have a better opinion about the people of the West than that.

    Would I be surprised if it happens? No – because I don’t have any expectations.

    One must understand the difference between “hopes” and “expectations”.

    But I have strong expectations from Muslims in the West to behave themselves and be of benefit to their host societies.

    In many ways, our cultures and nations have been hollowed out to make you comfortable.

    I understand that – right now the culture of the West is in decline on multiple fronts – the population cannot sustain itself. Something has gone seriously wrong – the indiscriminate mass immigration policies are part of that; this started happening before we arrived. So – what is to be done about it? Something needs to change, right? Islam offers a game plan to fix things, it might not be the game plan some people like and that’s fine. But others like it – we just had a person convert at the Friday prayer last week. Either way, pick a game plan and roll with it because time is of the essence.

    As far as what the people of the West are capable of…you may surprise us all:

    Peace.

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    But others like it – we just had a person convert at the Friday prayer last week.
     
    To all commentators and Talha:

    I'm a millennial and know someone who converted to Islam. It definitely does happen, probably with a higher frequency than most may think.

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    It’s actually one of the most reliable papers in the country.
     
    Look, I haven't lived in the States for many years. For all I know, the National Enquirer is now a serious, reliable news source. My reference to it was based on its reputation from twenty or even thirty years ago.

    My point really has nothing to do with the National Enquirer specifically. The point is that the source for all these ridiculous hoax stories about Muslim refugees are just tabloid papers like the Sun in England, that nobody with a clue thinks of as reliable news sources.

    But even aside from yellow journalism like that, there is just so much total bullshit. Like, this article up top. Finland is being overrun by the Muslims. Anybody can look it up and see that there are very few Muslims in Finland. About 50,000 or so. That seems to just be a hard fact.

    The provincia in Spain where I live, Tarragona province, apparently has about 65,000 Muslims and there are far fewer than one million people in Tarragona province, as compared to FInlandś population of over 5 million. And even then, in my area, the Muslims comprise less than 10% of the population.

    And again, it's not that I'm advocating that Finland should be full of Muslims. I'm really pretty indifferent to the whole question. It's just that, factually, there are VERY FEW Muslims in Finland. So the article is a fraud. Finland is obviously NOT being overrun by Muslims any more than German or Swedish girls are being raped right, left, and center by Muslims. These things are just hoaxes.

    I’m advocating that Finland should be full of Muslims

    I am glad you have finally admitted it. Yes, I just quoted only a fragment of the sentence you wrote but, you see, the part “it’s not that” is a lie, a dissimulation.

    Your interest in false flag events of which you wrote in your first article here does not stem from a genuine curiosity on you part. You are a crusader against alleged libel and alleged defamation of Muslims in general. You, Jonathan Revusky, are an army of one, a single man Muslim ADL. You do not care about the truth. You are unable to be objective and even handed. Any negative statement about Muslims gets you going to the point you become irrational. You do not care about Finns and you hate those Finns who do not want Muslims in their country. You do not care that 9/11 was a false flag and you are not outraged that possibly American government perpetrated it. All you care is to make a point that Muslims are exonerated. That’s why you write about false flags.

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    Yes, I just quoted only a fragment of the sentence you wrote but, you see, the part “it’s not that” is a lie, a dissimulation.
     
    Me: I looked at the statistics and there are hardly any Muslims in Finland.

    You (and others): Well, you obviously want mass immigration of Muslims into FInland.

    Me: Huh? When did I say that? I just said that I looked into it and there are very few Muslims in Finland. I never expressed any view about how many Muslims should be in Finland.

    You: You're dissimulating. You want Finland to be full of Muslims blah blah.

    Well, look at it this way, utu. Before a few days ago, when this fraudulent article came out, I had no idea how many Muslims there were in Finland. I just didn't know.

    Why did I not know?

    Simple, obvious answer: I didn't really care. It's easy to look up, but I never did because I never cared about the question. So, just on the face of it, doesn't that suggest that I'm basically being honest, i.e. I don't actually really care very much how many Muslims there are in Finland.

    But anyway, this is an example of the extreme mental squalor in which somebody like you operates. You do not possess the most basic elements of critical thinking, one of which is the distinction between a positive, or descriptive statement, on the one hand, and a normative statement on the other.

    To say there are not very many Muslims in Finland is simply a positive/descriptive statement. There are some but it's comparable to the number of black people in Maine or something like that. It's something like 50,000 Muslims in a country with over 5 million people.

    Note that this is a statement about Finland. There are other places in Europe where one could say there are a lot of Muslims. I was in Marseilles this summer with Linh Dinh. Marseilles is about 20% Muslim according to the official statistics. I could imagine saying that Marseilles is full of Muslims i.e. there are an awful lot of Muslims in Marseilles. To me, that is a factual statement. Now, somebody could interpret that as me saying there are far too many Muslims in Marseilles, i.e. there should be fewer, which would be a normative statement. But in that instnace, I didn't say that either. I simply said there are a lot of Muslims in Marseilles.

    But when you can't even distinguish between a descriptive/positive statement and a normative statement and just start talking as if one kind of statement is the other, then you can't really have a serious conversation. Of course, it's just a form of straw-manning, it's just putting words in somebody else's mouth, but it's of some interest to see how you guys just constantly resort to the same sophomoric debating tricks. And it's just so masturbatory. Why do you even bother, utu? There are such better ways of spending your time. I hear there are bestiality brothels sprouting up all over the place. Why don't you go copulate with a pony?
    , @Daniel Chieh
    FWIW, as you seem to be European and familiar with Europe, you probably know that Finland will never have a substantial portion of immigrants, any more than Nepal will. The land itself kills people. Between the deathly cold and the darkness, it has one of the highest suicide rates in the world and the immigrants have chosen to go to Sweden instead.
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    It’s actually one of the most reliable papers in the country.

    They were targeted with anthrax in 2001 for a good reason.

    It’s actually one of the most reliable papers in the country.

    Look, I haven’t lived in the States for many years. For all I know, the National Enquirer is now a serious, reliable news source. My reference to it was based on its reputation from twenty or even thirty years ago.

    My point really has nothing to do with the National Enquirer specifically. The point is that the source for all these ridiculous hoax stories about Muslim refugees are just tabloid papers like the Sun in England, that nobody with a clue thinks of as reliable news sources.

    But even aside from yellow journalism like that, there is just so much total bullshit. Like, this article up top. Finland is being overrun by the Muslims. Anybody can look it up and see that there are very few Muslims in Finland. About 50,000 or so. That seems to just be a hard fact.

    The provincia in Spain where I live, Tarragona province, apparently has about 65,000 Muslims and there are far fewer than one million people in Tarragona province, as compared to FInlandś population of over 5 million. And even then, in my area, the Muslims comprise less than 10% of the population.

    And again, it’s not that I’m advocating that Finland should be full of Muslims. I’m really pretty indifferent to the whole question. It’s just that, factually, there are VERY FEW Muslims in Finland. So the article is a fraud. Finland is obviously NOT being overrun by Muslims any more than German or Swedish girls are being raped right, left, and center by Muslims. These things are just hoaxes.

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    I’m advocating that Finland should be full of Muslims
     
    I am glad you have finally admitted it. Yes, I just quoted only a fragment of the sentence you wrote but, you see, the part "it’s not that" is a lie, a dissimulation.

    Your interest in false flag events of which you wrote in your first article here does not stem from a genuine curiosity on you part. You are a crusader against alleged libel and alleged defamation of Muslims in general. You, Jonathan Revusky, are an army of one, a single man Muslim ADL. You do not care about the truth. You are unable to be objective and even handed. Any negative statement about Muslims gets you going to the point you become irrational. You do not care about Finns and you hate those Finns who do not want Muslims in their country. You do not care that 9/11 was a false flag and you are not outraged that possibly American government perpetrated it. All you care is to make a point that Muslims are exonerated. That's why you write about false flags.
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  • @utu

    I mean, for example, right here on this page, you have some degenerate swine spreading this story that a Muslim raped a pony in a children’s zoo, and… well, I get angry at this. I can only imagine how angry I would be if I were a Muslim, yet you seem completely unconcerned.
     
    According to Russia Today it actually happened.
    https://www.rt.com/news/409721-man-sex-pony-berlin/

    On the other hand is it really a big deal?

    http://www.health24.com/Sex/Sexual-diversity/Bestiality-is-much-much-more-common-than-you-think-20150218
    The study, which took place in Brazil and was published in the Journal of Sexual Medicine, found a 34% prevalence of bestiality amongst men, most of whom were from rural backgrounds, as well as determining that it was a risk factor for penile cancer.

    http://www.conservapedia.com/Bestiality_and_Germany
    Bestiality brothels are spreading through Germany faster than ever thanks to a law that makes animal porn illegal but sex with animals legal, a livestock protection officer has warned.

    10 Nationalities Who Fornicate With Animals
    https://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most-shocking/10-nationalities-who-fornicate-with-animals/

    Madeleine Martin told the Frankfurter Rundschau that current laws were not protecting animals from predatory zoophiles who are increasingly able to turn to bestiality as a 'lifestyle choice'.

    She highlighted one case where a farmer in the Gross-Gerau region of southwest Germany, noticed his once friendly flock of sheep were beginning to shy away from human contact....

    10 Nationalities Who Fornicate With Animals
    https://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most-shocking/10-nationalities-who-fornicate-with-animals/

     

    According to Russia Today it actually happened.

    Well, if RT reports that it happened, then it must have happened, eh?

    Let me guess. They were there. They were already set up there in the children’s zoo with cameras pointing in the right direction to “document the event”! LOL.

    Utu, have you never noticed that the people behind the propaganda often seem to be poking around at the outer limits of what even the most ardent shit eaters are willing to believe. They’re constantly testing the limits. That’s how you calibrate your propaganda machinery.

    Bestiality brothels are spreading through Germany faster than ever

    Uhhh, utu, I know it is probably counter to your normal modus operandi, but maybe you should think about this a bit.

    Suppose you are an entrepreneur looking to open a business. You do a market study and you realize that in your area there are enough pizzerias and enough fitness clubs, but you realize that there aren’t enough “bestiality brothels” to meet the demand from the growing population of zoophiles out there.

    So… you open your bestiality brothel somewhere and…. how do you find your customers? Do you openly advertise? Or is it by word of mouth?

    Or, from another point of view, how do the customers find this fine business establishment? Suppose that, one day, you have a sudden desire to screw a pony, and so you figured that for some competitive price, you could go out to a bestiality brothel and indulge yourself. So you look up the nearest bestiality brothel”, a bunch come up within a certain radius of where you are. Some are higher rated on Tripadvisor than others obviously. (Doubtless equine pussy varies in quality just like human pussy…)

    Are you able to think about this for, I dunno, five minutes, without realizing the utter absurdity of all this? Or, in other words, are you a completely incurable shit eater or what?

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    I think one of the problems is the type of immigrants that are coming in.
     
    Talha, why are you incapable of just calling out these hoaxes? The article above is just a hoax. There is no "Muslim crime epidemic" going on in Finland. Moreover, there are practically no Muslims in Finland!

    Besides, the author is representing that he is Finnish when he obviously is not. (At least it's obvious to the Finns here.) Besides, the author is probably aware of all the comments the article has generated, and if he were really Finnish, at the very least, would show up and say: "Guys, you're wrong, I really am a Finn." But no... So this is somebody who's not even Finnish representing that he is, and talking about a non-existent Muslim crime wave in a country where there are hardly any Muslims anyway!

    Looking back, it's hardly surprising that I concluded that you couldn't possibly be a Muslim. I mean, for example, right here on this page, you have some degenerate swine spreading this story that a Muslim raped a pony in a children's zoo, and... well, I get angry at this. I can only imagine how angry I would be if I were a Muslim, yet you seem completely unconcerned.

    I suppose you're likely to say that there is no point in getting angry at this kind of vile, disgusting stuff, which is true, I guess. But frankly, when you don't get angry, it gives off a very strange vibe to me. To me, frankly, you come across as something somewhat less than fully human.

    I mean, for example, right here on this page, you have some degenerate swine spreading this story that a Muslim raped a pony in a children’s zoo, and… well, I get angry at this. I can only imagine how angry I would be if I were a Muslim, yet you seem completely unconcerned.

    According to Russia Today it actually happened.

    https://www.rt.com/news/409721-man-sex-pony-berlin/

    On the other hand is it really a big deal?

    http://www.health24.com/Sex/Sexual-diversity/Bestiality-is-much-much-more-common-than-you-think-20150218
    The study, which took place in Brazil and was published in the Journal of Sexual Medicine, found a 34% prevalence of bestiality amongst men, most of whom were from rural backgrounds, as well as determining that it was a risk factor for penile cancer.

    http://www.conservapedia.com/Bestiality_and_Germany

    Bestiality brothels are spreading through Germany faster than ever thanks to a law that makes animal porn illegal but sex with animals legal, a livestock protection officer has warned.

    10 Nationalities Who Fornicate With Animals

    https://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most-shocking/10-nationalities-who-fornicate-with-animals/

    Madeleine Martin told the Frankfurter Rundschau that current laws were not protecting animals from predatory zoophiles who are increasingly able to turn to bestiality as a ‘lifestyle choice’.

    She highlighted one case where a farmer in the Gross-Gerau region of southwest Germany, noticed his once friendly flock of sheep were beginning to shy away from human contact….

    10 Nationalities Who Fornicate With Animals

    https://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most-shocking/10-nationalities-who-fornicate-with-animals/

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    According to Russia Today it actually happened.
     
    Well, if RT reports that it happened, then it must have happened, eh?

    Let me guess. They were there. They were already set up there in the children's zoo with cameras pointing in the right direction to "document the event"! LOL.

    Utu, have you never noticed that the people behind the propaganda often seem to be poking around at the outer limits of what even the most ardent shit eaters are willing to believe. They're constantly testing the limits. That's how you calibrate your propaganda machinery.

    Bestiality brothels are spreading through Germany faster than ever
     
    Uhhh, utu, I know it is probably counter to your normal modus operandi, but maybe you should think about this a bit.

    Suppose you are an entrepreneur looking to open a business. You do a market study and you realize that in your area there are enough pizzerias and enough fitness clubs, but you realize that there aren't enough "bestiality brothels" to meet the demand from the growing population of zoophiles out there.

    So... you open your bestiality brothel somewhere and.... how do you find your customers? Do you openly advertise? Or is it by word of mouth?

    Or, from another point of view, how do the customers find this fine business establishment? Suppose that, one day, you have a sudden desire to screw a pony, and so you figured that for some competitive price, you could go out to a bestiality brothel and indulge yourself. So you look up the nearest bestiality brothel", a bunch come up within a certain radius of where you are. Some are higher rated on Tripadvisor than others obviously. (Doubtless equine pussy varies in quality just like human pussy...)

    Are you able to think about this for, I dunno, five minutes, without realizing the utter absurdity of all this? Or, in other words, are you a completely incurable shit eater or what?
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  • @Talha
    Hey JR,

    There is no “Muslim crime epidemic” going on in Finland. Moreover, there are practically no Muslims in Finland!
     
    That's fine either way with me - if the Finns don't want any Muslims then all well and good. The thing you don't seem to understand with me is that; 1) I don't think it's a right of Muslims to be allowed to immigrate into the West - so I don't feel obligated to defend it on any grounds - and 2) I literally expect nothing from non-Muslims on the moral level because they don't have a Shariah that they have to follow. So everything is open game. If they are good people and treat us well in their lands, then I'm grateful and feel blessed and their reward is with God - if they start raping our women and eating our children - well, it wouldn't surprise me and God will deal with them if we can't.

    So if someone wants to make up crap about us in order to gin up support to have us removed or something, then - again - I'm not surprised. I'd like them to be more straight-forward about it and start drafting the laws in the open and just be clear. What I can't stand is Muslims acting like criminals - that pisses me off - because they should know better - they have no excuse - period.


    I can only imagine how angry I would be if I were a Muslim, yet you seem completely unconcerned.
     
    Who says I'm not concerned? I just don't expect any better. I mean you pointed out Zionist-associated outfits like jihadwatch that make up this crap all the time. Why does this surprise you? My position is a metaphysical one** - as I told you before, you and I are not operating on the same understanding here. Our differing conclusions and reactions are logical.

    The problem is that the main stream media has lost its credibility by supporting multiple agendas (including immigration) that are detrimental to people in Europe. So people will look to other sources for info; sometimes these sources are credible and sometimes not. So the bathwater will be taken in with the baby.

    Are Muslims capable of some of this kind of wretched behavior? Of course they are, some of them do it in Muslim lands also:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/02/world/manhunt-s-end-in-pakistan-killer-of-100-boys-tells-all.html

    Fairly vile stuff. My hunch is that some of the worst elements out of the Muslim world are coming to the West (due to their desire for bling-bling, white women, lax social restrictions, living on the dole, etc.) - especially the ones barging in without permission - I mean who comes to the West for spiritual reasons?

    Look at that responsible young man in the video; he is sticking around earning his place in Paradise by sacrificing his life for his mother and siblings. Western society is disproportionately magnetic to the worst, most materially base people in Muslim societies - you will tend to get these top-heavy in immigration. Whether they are specifically the ones being allowed through in order to intentionally cause serious damage to Western institutions or because Western institutions are so rotted that this is literally the resultant end-game is where I get lost. As I have written before, there are excellent examples of Muslims that would be great boons for the West; I have met them and some come here to teach temporarily - you couldn't pay them a million dollars to get them to move.

    Peace.

    *By the way, I gave homeboy a bloody nose earlier - was surprised to find him at UNZ, but I think he split because he wasn't going to receive his usual welcome from pro-Zionist fanboys - enjoy:
    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/i-dont-hate-muslims-im-prudent-about-them-theres-a-difference/?highlight=spencer#comment-2067215

    **Spiritually grounded Muslims are not fazed by any of this stuff. We do what the sacred law asks of us, the rest is in His hands - what you are seeing is pessimism and desperation in the actions of others. For us, there is nothing but optimism; no whining - go big or go home:
    "They want to extinguish the light of God with their mouths, but God refuses except to perfect His light, even though the disbelievers dislike it." (61:8)

    Talha, why are you in the West if you have such a low opinion of the West and its people?

    Islam isn’t my cup of tea, and I word never want to live is a Muslim country. I’d like normalized and respectful relations, but I have no way of influencing what goes on at that level.

    One thing that many immigrants in the West don’t seem to understand is that much of what they like about mass media, throw away culture and so-called modernity is artificial. In many ways, our cultures and nations have been hollowed out to make you comfortable. You don’t know what it was like before you came, or what was lost. Just like many Latinos can’t imagine how much nicer, freer, more civil, etc. things were before they got here, and what a negative impact their presence represents.

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    Hey OCF,

    Talha, why are you in the West
     
    If my father had moved us to Guatemala or China, I would be there instead. Six year old boys don't make those decisions.

    As far as staying on in the West; my wife is a convert, she feels she has a right as anyone else to be here. We've talked about moving to a Muslim land, but that decision is pending how our kids are able to keep their religious identity and how the environment turns out. If my spiritual teachers stick it out, likely I will. They have told us that we should make sure our intention to be in the West (or any other non-Muslim land) is to invite people to the faith and do our part to uplift society - sticking around for material gain is not a good enough reason to put your faith in jeopardy.

    if you have such a low opinion of the West and its people
     
    On the contrary, I have a high opinion of them. As I said; "If they are good people and treat us well in their lands, then I’m grateful and feel blessed and their reward is with God". And we are treated very well in the West.

    Now there are some people who hate us - they want us dead or gone and will do anything to achieve that. So? What're we going to do? Cry about it or just keep doing what we're supposed to be doing? This is all part of the way this works - we've already been told about how the game goes:
    "Do men think that they will be left alone upon saying, 'We believe', and that they will not be tested? We have certainly tried those before them, and Allah will surely make evident those who are truthful, and He will surely make evident the false." (29:2-3)

    "You will surely be tested in your possessions and in yourselves. And you will surely hear from those who were given the Scripture before you and from those who associate others with Allah much abuse. But if you are patient and fear Allah - indeed that will be a determining factor in all affairs." (3:186)

    Like I said - go big or go home - no whining.

    And I know enough about Western history to know what can happen in times of crisis and mass hysteria. We could easily be blamed for all ills (true, false, whatever) and set upon.

    So - do I think we will all be rounded up and killed or shipped out? No - I have a better opinion about the people of the West than that.

    Would I be surprised if it happens? No - because I don't have any expectations.

    One must understand the difference between "hopes" and "expectations".

    But I have strong expectations from Muslims in the West to behave themselves and be of benefit to their host societies.

    In many ways, our cultures and nations have been hollowed out to make you comfortable.
     
    I understand that - right now the culture of the West is in decline on multiple fronts - the population cannot sustain itself. Something has gone seriously wrong - the indiscriminate mass immigration policies are part of that; this started happening before we arrived. So - what is to be done about it? Something needs to change, right? Islam offers a game plan to fix things, it might not be the game plan some people like and that's fine. But others like it - we just had a person convert at the Friday prayer last week. Either way, pick a game plan and roll with it because time is of the essence.

    As far as what the people of the West are capable of...you may surprise us all:
    https://youtu.be/Z89USBg5mBs?t=2m52s

    Peace.
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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    Swine do not wallow around in their own excrement...
     
    You're probably right. Calling you and the other assholes here "swine" is surely quite unfair to pigs.

    Better you’re on a computer fighting with people you can’t reach than roaming around town in your out of control aggressive state physically attacking people.

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  • @Cyrano
    You are absolutely right, man. Everything Russian should be resisted – and if possible make some epic movies about it too. While everything American (multiculturalism) should be embraced. That’s the only road to prosperity. Who brought more ruin to Finland - Russia or US (ideas)? Don't answer this, it's a rhetorical question.

    Read much? I said nothing—no thing—about Russia.

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  • @Alden
    Swine do not wallow around in their own excrement. Swine cannot sweat. But they need moisture on their skin to stay alive. So pig farmers keep the pens moist with water.

    The pigs wallow around in the mud.

    Pigs, all by themselves always establish toilet areas in the pen. They actually poop in that reserved area to keep the rest of it clean

    Ask any pig farmer. And I always say, post about what you know.

    Swine do not wallow around in their own excrement…

    You’re probably right. Calling you and the other assholes here “swine” is surely quite unfair to pigs.

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    Better you’re on a computer fighting with people you can’t reach than roaming around town in your out of control aggressive state physically attacking people.
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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    I think one of the problems is the type of immigrants that are coming in.
     
    Talha, why are you incapable of just calling out these hoaxes? The article above is just a hoax. There is no "Muslim crime epidemic" going on in Finland. Moreover, there are practically no Muslims in Finland!

    Besides, the author is representing that he is Finnish when he obviously is not. (At least it's obvious to the Finns here.) Besides, the author is probably aware of all the comments the article has generated, and if he were really Finnish, at the very least, would show up and say: "Guys, you're wrong, I really am a Finn." But no... So this is somebody who's not even Finnish representing that he is, and talking about a non-existent Muslim crime wave in a country where there are hardly any Muslims anyway!

    Looking back, it's hardly surprising that I concluded that you couldn't possibly be a Muslim. I mean, for example, right here on this page, you have some degenerate swine spreading this story that a Muslim raped a pony in a children's zoo, and... well, I get angry at this. I can only imagine how angry I would be if I were a Muslim, yet you seem completely unconcerned.

    I suppose you're likely to say that there is no point in getting angry at this kind of vile, disgusting stuff, which is true, I guess. But frankly, when you don't get angry, it gives off a very strange vibe to me. To me, frankly, you come across as something somewhat less than fully human.

    That’s because Jews believe anger is healthy and good, but most other traditions think anger needs to be overcome. Especially self-interested anger.

    Like most Jews, it’s obvious you cultivate and nurture your anger. But instead of encouraging others to be angry, why not try and raise yourself to a higher level?

    Being “fully human” doesn’t have to mean being in thrall to our baser biological urges. It’s possible to rise to a higher level and not be angry when others insult us.

    I think when Jews finally undersrand this, they’ll take the first step towards healing.

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    That’s because Jews believe anger is healthy and good,
     
    Well, to be completely fair, there is some truth to your observations about the Judaeic culture or temperament. However, in the context, I cannot see it as all that relevant.

    With just about anybody of any ethnic group, surely if you start with this nonsense about how it's part of that group's culture to copulate with animals or grope women in public places and just all the calumnies that Muslims are subjected to, just about anybody would finally get openly pissed off. Yet Talha never does.

    And then there is the question of all these obvious false flags. They ran one this summer near where I live, in Barcelona. It's such a completely shoddy stitch-up and obviously the Arab ethnic kids they framed as terrorists were just patsies, as usual. Same old, same old. But anyway, I have a friend who knows a lot of people, and in particular, knows people in the Arab community. He tells me, and I believe him, that in the Arab community here, nobody believes this story. I mean, NOBODY.

    Still, what happens is that the self-appointed community leaders all accept (in public, anyway) the official story and do this whole Uncle Talha hand-wringing lickspittle number, marching and condemning "radical Islamic terrorism". "We good Muzzies, yessah..." They do this, almost certainly, in the full knowledge that these kids (all conveniently dead) didn't do anything and were framed.

    Now, my friend told me that the younger people in the community are completely incensed at the older people for going along with this story. By and large, they are just seething. The older people, on the other hand, I guess they decide to go along with this whole story because they figure that this is just some indignity that they have to put up with to continue with their lives here.

    Actually, I understand why they do what they do. This appalling Talha character, with his lickspittle mentality, is pretty disgusting. But I actually do kinda understand it, this whole impossible position that Muslims living in the West are put in. I do understand it but it's pretty horrendous. This whole Omar Sharif sweet Muzzie synthetic character that he presents... it's pretty loathsome really, at least to me.

    What I find especially galling about the whole Uncle Talha shtick is the way he represents that this craven, sniveling cowardice is somehow the result of his higher spiritual attainment -- or whatever bullshit. That is pretty hard to take.

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  • @Alden
    Like a lot of immigrants, the Mesabi range Finns were recruited en masse by the owners of the mines.

    They resented low pay and dangerous work and joined the extreme wing of the labor activists.

    Germans, the Irish Molly Maguires terrorists in the coal mines of Pennsylvania, the Harlan county Kentucky coal miners, Scandinavians, English, they all joined the labor movement.

    Some became Wobblies and communists.

    Most came from Ostrobothnia in the northwest of the country, where the influence was more Swedish than Russian, so they may have come upon bolshevism in the U.S. where they were valued less than pack animals by the mine owners.

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  • @Alden
    You should check up on the national Inquirer.

    Decades ago it ran some articles that were untrue. The subjects of the articles sued for libel and won. The plaintiffs won millions because they proved that the articles were completely false.

    Since then, the inquirer takes great pains to check and re check every story to make sure every story

    1 is absolutely the truth
    2 the inquirer can prove in court that the statements are true.

    It’s actually one of the most reliable papers in the country.

    The Sun isn’t the intellectual aimed at the upper class The Guardian or The Economist or The Times. But The Intellectual snobbish Guardian was a Soviet front from 1930 10 1990.

    The Economist is not even a front for global cannibal vampire capitalism. The Economist is a proud propagandist for global cannibal vampire capitalism.

    It’s actually one of the most reliable papers in the country.

    They were targeted with anthrax in 2001 for a good reason.

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    It’s actually one of the most reliable papers in the country.
     
    Look, I haven't lived in the States for many years. For all I know, the National Enquirer is now a serious, reliable news source. My reference to it was based on its reputation from twenty or even thirty years ago.

    My point really has nothing to do with the National Enquirer specifically. The point is that the source for all these ridiculous hoax stories about Muslim refugees are just tabloid papers like the Sun in England, that nobody with a clue thinks of as reliable news sources.

    But even aside from yellow journalism like that, there is just so much total bullshit. Like, this article up top. Finland is being overrun by the Muslims. Anybody can look it up and see that there are very few Muslims in Finland. About 50,000 or so. That seems to just be a hard fact.

    The provincia in Spain where I live, Tarragona province, apparently has about 65,000 Muslims and there are far fewer than one million people in Tarragona province, as compared to FInlandś population of over 5 million. And even then, in my area, the Muslims comprise less than 10% of the population.

    And again, it's not that I'm advocating that Finland should be full of Muslims. I'm really pretty indifferent to the whole question. It's just that, factually, there are VERY FEW Muslims in Finland. So the article is a fraud. Finland is obviously NOT being overrun by Muslims any more than German or Swedish girls are being raped right, left, and center by Muslims. These things are just hoaxes.

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    “a lot” is not factual. “a lot” is a contextual judgment.
     
    Well, I suppose if there were 50 or even just 5 Muslims in all of Finland, you could even then say that this is "a lot", eh?

    Look, try to stop the compulsive bullshitting, utu. If the Wikipedia figure that there are 50,000 Muslims is approximately correct, it clearly means that there are hardly any Muslims in Finland.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Finland

    So why is the author of this piece and all these Gatestone Institute people and all their various shills right on this page trying to tell us that Finland has this big problem with Muslims, when, to all intents and purposes, there aren't any Muslims there!

    What is their agenda? That is the question.

    But anyway, what can one expect? Assuming that you are so incorrigibly STUPID as to believe that hundreds of women can be sexually assaulted in the equivalent of Grand Central Station without there being a single bit of photographic evidence, then you are surely IDIOTIC enough to believe that Finland has some huge problem with Muslims when the entire Muslim population is somewhere on the order of 50,000 of them!

    (Or maybe you aren't quite that stupid, but you are willing to pretend that you are, which amounts to the same thing observationally, I suppose...)

    But, I mean to say, if you have this deep need to engage in stupidity, it's surely incorrigible. It's like a swine's compulsive need to wallow around in its own excrement.

    Swine do not wallow around in their own excrement. Swine cannot sweat. But they need moisture on their skin to stay alive. So pig farmers keep the pens moist with water.

    The pigs wallow around in the mud.

    Pigs, all by themselves always establish toilet areas in the pen. They actually poop in that reserved area to keep the rest of it clean

    Ask any pig farmer. And I always say, post about what you know.

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    Swine do not wallow around in their own excrement...
     
    You're probably right. Calling you and the other assholes here "swine" is surely quite unfair to pigs.
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  • @Avery
    {Indian woman are allowed to demonstrate against rape.}

    They are allowed to do a lot more than demonstrate.
    [India: Girl tracks down her molester and beats him in public]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2_KjWOf-gI

    Nice work young lady.

    Good for her

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    Post 254 has 3 links. Read the links.
     
    None of the links are from serious news sources. They are either just tabloids, the equivalent of the National Enquirer in the US, or right-wing crank sites, like that "Defend Europa" site.

    Above, I provided some data about asylum applications in Finland over the last few years with a link. The link was to a Finnish government website.

    I guess you don't understand the difference. I note that a lot of the people here, not just you (though you are a flagrant case) just don't understand the difference between real hard facts and storytelling.

    So, your idea is that if you provide some link where somebody is telling some story, like some Ay-rab raped a pony in a petting zoo in Berlin, then that story just must be true. I found it in the Sun, a British tabloid and it's all over the place on these various Islamophobe sites, like jihadwatch.org and barenakedislam.org and so forth.

    Of course, if you think about the story, it makes no sense. A guy was copulating with a pony in a children's petting zoo and ONE person saw this. Well, surely dozens of people would have seen it OR none at all.

    Many observers of Muslim life believe Muslim are violent rapists and clinically insane because ...
     
    Well, this is just racist hate speech bullshit.

    It finally occurred to me that the big problem here on this site is that there is a lack of understanding -- and really, I mean, on the part of Ron Unz himself -- of the difference between free speech and assholery.

    Disallowing speech that is just pure assholery is not an attack on free speech, properly understood. In fact, eventually, you get a Gresham's law dynamic, where the bad crowds out the good. In this case, all the assholery eventually crowds out worthwhile speech.

    An honest ethno-nationalist anti-immigration case is real free speech. But all this stuff about how Muslims are all rapists is just assholery and the fact that it is allowed to go on unchecked is a real problem here.

    You should check up on the national Inquirer.

    Decades ago it ran some articles that were untrue. The subjects of the articles sued for libel and won. The plaintiffs won millions because they proved that the articles were completely false.

    Since then, the inquirer takes great pains to check and re check every story to make sure every story

    1 is absolutely the truth
    2 the inquirer can prove in court that the statements are true.

    It’s actually one of the most reliable papers in the country.

    The Sun isn’t the intellectual aimed at the upper class The Guardian or The Economist or The Times. But The Intellectual snobbish Guardian was a Soviet front from 1930 10 1990.

    The Economist is not even a front for global cannibal vampire capitalism. The Economist is a proud propagandist for global cannibal vampire capitalism.

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    It’s actually one of the most reliable papers in the country.

    They were targeted with anthrax in 2001 for a good reason.
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  • @Anon
    Pre-1918 Social Democratic activists who found the Russian Empire too hot for their taste, afterwards red Civil War losers.

    The earlier wave, descendants of Finns who arrived in 1600's into New Sweden in the East Coast had no such sympathies.
    https://en-gb.facebook.com/finland.usembassy/posts/342389702471260

    Like a lot of immigrants, the Mesabi range Finns were recruited en masse by the owners of the mines.

    They resented low pay and dangerous work and joined the extreme wing of the labor activists.

    Germans, the Irish Molly Maguires terrorists in the coal mines of Pennsylvania, the Harlan county Kentucky coal miners, Scandinavians, English, they all joined the labor movement.

    Some became Wobblies and communists.

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    Most came from Ostrobothnia in the northwest of the country, where the influence was more Swedish than Russian, so they may have come upon bolshevism in the U.S. where they were valued less than pack animals by the mine owners.
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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    I think one of the problems is the type of immigrants that are coming in.
     
    Talha, why are you incapable of just calling out these hoaxes? The article above is just a hoax. There is no "Muslim crime epidemic" going on in Finland. Moreover, there are practically no Muslims in Finland!

    Besides, the author is representing that he is Finnish when he obviously is not. (At least it's obvious to the Finns here.) Besides, the author is probably aware of all the comments the article has generated, and if he were really Finnish, at the very least, would show up and say: "Guys, you're wrong, I really am a Finn." But no... So this is somebody who's not even Finnish representing that he is, and talking about a non-existent Muslim crime wave in a country where there are hardly any Muslims anyway!

    Looking back, it's hardly surprising that I concluded that you couldn't possibly be a Muslim. I mean, for example, right here on this page, you have some degenerate swine spreading this story that a Muslim raped a pony in a children's zoo, and... well, I get angry at this. I can only imagine how angry I would be if I were a Muslim, yet you seem completely unconcerned.

    I suppose you're likely to say that there is no point in getting angry at this kind of vile, disgusting stuff, which is true, I guess. But frankly, when you don't get angry, it gives off a very strange vibe to me. To me, frankly, you come across as something somewhat less than fully human.

    Hey JR,

    There is no “Muslim crime epidemic” going on in Finland. Moreover, there are practically no Muslims in Finland!

    That’s fine either way with me – if the Finns don’t want any Muslims then all well and good. The thing you don’t seem to understand with me is that; 1) I don’t think it’s a right of Muslims to be allowed to immigrate into the West – so I don’t feel obligated to defend it on any grounds – and 2) I literally expect nothing from non-Muslims on the moral level because they don’t have a Shariah that they have to follow. So everything is open game. If they are good people and treat us well in their lands, then I’m grateful and feel blessed and their reward is with God – if they start raping our women and eating our children – well, it wouldn’t surprise me and God will deal with them if we can’t.

    So if someone wants to make up crap about us in order to gin up support to have us removed or something, then – again – I’m not surprised. I’d like them to be more straight-forward about it and start drafting the laws in the open and just be clear. What I can’t stand is Muslims acting like criminals – that pisses me off – because they should know better – they have no excuse – period.

    I can only imagine how angry I would be if I were a Muslim, yet you seem completely unconcerned.

    Who says I’m not concerned? I just don’t expect any better. I mean you pointed out Zionist-associated outfits like jihadwatch that make up this crap all the time. Why does this surprise you? My position is a metaphysical one** – as I told you before, you and I are not operating on the same understanding here. Our differing conclusions and reactions are logical.

    The problem is that the main stream media has lost its credibility by supporting multiple agendas (including immigration) that are detrimental to people in Europe. So people will look to other sources for info; sometimes these sources are credible and sometimes not. So the bathwater will be taken in with the baby.

    Are Muslims capable of some of this kind of wretched behavior? Of course they are, some of them do it in Muslim lands also:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/02/world/manhunt-s-end-in-pakistan-killer-of-100-boys-tells-all.html

    Fairly vile stuff. My hunch is that some of the worst elements out of the Muslim world are coming to the West (due to their desire for bling-bling, white women, lax social restrictions, living on the dole, etc.) – especially the ones barging in without permission – I mean who comes to the West for spiritual reasons?

    Look at that responsible young man in the video; he is sticking around earning his place in Paradise by sacrificing his life for his mother and siblings. Western society is disproportionately magnetic to the worst, most materially base people in Muslim societies – you will tend to get these top-heavy in immigration. Whether they are specifically the ones being allowed through in order to intentionally cause serious damage to Western institutions or because Western institutions are so rotted that this is literally the resultant end-game is where I get lost. As I have written before, there are excellent examples of Muslims that would be great boons for the West; I have met them and some come here to teach temporarily – you couldn’t pay them a million dollars to get them to move.

    Peace.

    *By the way, I gave homeboy a bloody nose earlier – was surprised to find him at UNZ, but I think he split because he wasn’t going to receive his usual welcome from pro-Zionist fanboys – enjoy:

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/i-dont-hate-muslims-im-prudent-about-them-theres-a-difference/?highlight=spencer#comment-2067215

    **Spiritually grounded Muslims are not fazed by any of this stuff. We do what the sacred law asks of us, the rest is in His hands – what you are seeing is pessimism and desperation in the actions of others. For us, there is nothing but optimism; no whining – go big or go home:
    “They want to extinguish the light of God with their mouths, but God refuses except to perfect His light, even though the disbelievers dislike it.” (61:8)

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    Talha, why are you in the West if you have such a low opinion of the West and its people?

    Islam isn't my cup of tea, and I word never want to live is a Muslim country. I'd like normalized and respectful relations, but I have no way of influencing what goes on at that level.

    One thing that many immigrants in the West don't seem to understand is that much of what they like about mass media, throw away culture and so-called modernity is artificial. In many ways, our cultures and nations have been hollowed out to make you comfortable. You don't know what it was like before you came, or what was lost. Just like many Latinos can't imagine how much nicer, freer, more civil, etc. things were before they got here, and what a negative impact their presence represents.
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  • @Talha
    I think one of the problems is the type of immigrants that are coming in. If you are going to bring some people in, you gotta screen them well to make sure they are decent folks that have a work ethic and don't just want to mooch off other people's dime.

    This little hard-working guy would be a boon to any land, but he's too busy being the head of household and taking care of his little sisters in Afghanistan. Some men never grow up and some become men at 13:
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/VqusqMWHvy8/

    Go little bro - much love!

    I think one of the problems is the type of immigrants that are coming in.

    Talha, why are you incapable of just calling out these hoaxes? The article above is just a hoax. There is no “Muslim crime epidemic” going on in Finland. Moreover, there are practically no Muslims in Finland!

    Besides, the author is representing that he is Finnish when he obviously is not. (At least it’s obvious to the Finns here.) Besides, the author is probably aware of all the comments the article has generated, and if he were really Finnish, at the very least, would show up and say: “Guys, you’re wrong, I really am a Finn.” But no… So this is somebody who’s not even Finnish representing that he is, and talking about a non-existent Muslim crime wave in a country where there are hardly any Muslims anyway!

    Looking back, it’s hardly surprising that I concluded that you couldn’t possibly be a Muslim. I mean, for example, right here on this page, you have some degenerate swine spreading this story that a Muslim raped a pony in a children’s zoo, and… well, I get angry at this. I can only imagine how angry I would be if I were a Muslim, yet you seem completely unconcerned.

    I suppose you’re likely to say that there is no point in getting angry at this kind of vile, disgusting stuff, which is true, I guess. But frankly, when you don’t get angry, it gives off a very strange vibe to me. To me, frankly, you come across as something somewhat less than fully human.

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    Hey JR,

    There is no “Muslim crime epidemic” going on in Finland. Moreover, there are practically no Muslims in Finland!
     
    That's fine either way with me - if the Finns don't want any Muslims then all well and good. The thing you don't seem to understand with me is that; 1) I don't think it's a right of Muslims to be allowed to immigrate into the West - so I don't feel obligated to defend it on any grounds - and 2) I literally expect nothing from non-Muslims on the moral level because they don't have a Shariah that they have to follow. So everything is open game. If they are good people and treat us well in their lands, then I'm grateful and feel blessed and their reward is with God - if they start raping our women and eating our children - well, it wouldn't surprise me and God will deal with them if we can't.

    So if someone wants to make up crap about us in order to gin up support to have us removed or something, then - again - I'm not surprised. I'd like them to be more straight-forward about it and start drafting the laws in the open and just be clear. What I can't stand is Muslims acting like criminals - that pisses me off - because they should know better - they have no excuse - period.


    I can only imagine how angry I would be if I were a Muslim, yet you seem completely unconcerned.
     
    Who says I'm not concerned? I just don't expect any better. I mean you pointed out Zionist-associated outfits like jihadwatch that make up this crap all the time. Why does this surprise you? My position is a metaphysical one** - as I told you before, you and I are not operating on the same understanding here. Our differing conclusions and reactions are logical.

    The problem is that the main stream media has lost its credibility by supporting multiple agendas (including immigration) that are detrimental to people in Europe. So people will look to other sources for info; sometimes these sources are credible and sometimes not. So the bathwater will be taken in with the baby.

    Are Muslims capable of some of this kind of wretched behavior? Of course they are, some of them do it in Muslim lands also:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/02/world/manhunt-s-end-in-pakistan-killer-of-100-boys-tells-all.html

    Fairly vile stuff. My hunch is that some of the worst elements out of the Muslim world are coming to the West (due to their desire for bling-bling, white women, lax social restrictions, living on the dole, etc.) - especially the ones barging in without permission - I mean who comes to the West for spiritual reasons?

    Look at that responsible young man in the video; he is sticking around earning his place in Paradise by sacrificing his life for his mother and siblings. Western society is disproportionately magnetic to the worst, most materially base people in Muslim societies - you will tend to get these top-heavy in immigration. Whether they are specifically the ones being allowed through in order to intentionally cause serious damage to Western institutions or because Western institutions are so rotted that this is literally the resultant end-game is where I get lost. As I have written before, there are excellent examples of Muslims that would be great boons for the West; I have met them and some come here to teach temporarily - you couldn't pay them a million dollars to get them to move.

    Peace.

    *By the way, I gave homeboy a bloody nose earlier - was surprised to find him at UNZ, but I think he split because he wasn't going to receive his usual welcome from pro-Zionist fanboys - enjoy:
    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/i-dont-hate-muslims-im-prudent-about-them-theres-a-difference/?highlight=spencer#comment-2067215

    **Spiritually grounded Muslims are not fazed by any of this stuff. We do what the sacred law asks of us, the rest is in His hands - what you are seeing is pessimism and desperation in the actions of others. For us, there is nothing but optimism; no whining - go big or go home:
    "They want to extinguish the light of God with their mouths, but God refuses except to perfect His light, even though the disbelievers dislike it." (61:8)

    , @AaronB
    That's because Jews believe anger is healthy and good, but most other traditions think anger needs to be overcome. Especially self-interested anger.

    Like most Jews, it's obvious you cultivate and nurture your anger. But instead of encouraging others to be angry, why not try and raise yourself to a higher level?

    Being "fully human" doesn't have to mean being in thrall to our baser biological urges. It's possible to rise to a higher level and not be angry when others insult us.

    I think when Jews finally undersrand this, they'll take the first step towards healing.
    , @utu

    I mean, for example, right here on this page, you have some degenerate swine spreading this story that a Muslim raped a pony in a children’s zoo, and… well, I get angry at this. I can only imagine how angry I would be if I were a Muslim, yet you seem completely unconcerned.
     
    According to Russia Today it actually happened.
    https://www.rt.com/news/409721-man-sex-pony-berlin/

    On the other hand is it really a big deal?

    http://www.health24.com/Sex/Sexual-diversity/Bestiality-is-much-much-more-common-than-you-think-20150218
    The study, which took place in Brazil and was published in the Journal of Sexual Medicine, found a 34% prevalence of bestiality amongst men, most of whom were from rural backgrounds, as well as determining that it was a risk factor for penile cancer.

    http://www.conservapedia.com/Bestiality_and_Germany
    Bestiality brothels are spreading through Germany faster than ever thanks to a law that makes animal porn illegal but sex with animals legal, a livestock protection officer has warned.

    10 Nationalities Who Fornicate With Animals
    https://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most-shocking/10-nationalities-who-fornicate-with-animals/

    Madeleine Martin told the Frankfurter Rundschau that current laws were not protecting animals from predatory zoophiles who are increasingly able to turn to bestiality as a 'lifestyle choice'.

    She highlighted one case where a farmer in the Gross-Gerau region of southwest Germany, noticed his once friendly flock of sheep were beginning to shy away from human contact....

    10 Nationalities Who Fornicate With Animals
    https://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most-shocking/10-nationalities-who-fornicate-with-animals/

     

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  • I think one of the problems is the type of immigrants that are coming in. If you are going to bring some people in, you gotta screen them well to make sure they are decent folks that have a work ethic and don’t just want to mooch off other people’s dime.

    This little hard-working guy would be a boon to any land, but he’s too busy being the head of household and taking care of his little sisters in Afghanistan. Some men never grow up and some become men at 13:


    Go little bro – much love!

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    I think one of the problems is the type of immigrants that are coming in.
     
    Talha, why are you incapable of just calling out these hoaxes? The article above is just a hoax. There is no "Muslim crime epidemic" going on in Finland. Moreover, there are practically no Muslims in Finland!

    Besides, the author is representing that he is Finnish when he obviously is not. (At least it's obvious to the Finns here.) Besides, the author is probably aware of all the comments the article has generated, and if he were really Finnish, at the very least, would show up and say: "Guys, you're wrong, I really am a Finn." But no... So this is somebody who's not even Finnish representing that he is, and talking about a non-existent Muslim crime wave in a country where there are hardly any Muslims anyway!

    Looking back, it's hardly surprising that I concluded that you couldn't possibly be a Muslim. I mean, for example, right here on this page, you have some degenerate swine spreading this story that a Muslim raped a pony in a children's zoo, and... well, I get angry at this. I can only imagine how angry I would be if I were a Muslim, yet you seem completely unconcerned.

    I suppose you're likely to say that there is no point in getting angry at this kind of vile, disgusting stuff, which is true, I guess. But frankly, when you don't get angry, it gives off a very strange vibe to me. To me, frankly, you come across as something somewhat less than fully human.

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    Post 254 has 3 links. Read the links.
     
    None of the links are from serious news sources. They are either just tabloids, the equivalent of the National Enquirer in the US, or right-wing crank sites, like that "Defend Europa" site.

    Above, I provided some data about asylum applications in Finland over the last few years with a link. The link was to a Finnish government website.

    I guess you don't understand the difference. I note that a lot of the people here, not just you (though you are a flagrant case) just don't understand the difference between real hard facts and storytelling.

    So, your idea is that if you provide some link where somebody is telling some story, like some Ay-rab raped a pony in a petting zoo in Berlin, then that story just must be true. I found it in the Sun, a British tabloid and it's all over the place on these various Islamophobe sites, like jihadwatch.org and barenakedislam.org and so forth.

    Of course, if you think about the story, it makes no sense. A guy was copulating with a pony in a children's petting zoo and ONE person saw this. Well, surely dozens of people would have seen it OR none at all.

    Many observers of Muslim life believe Muslim are violent rapists and clinically insane because ...
     
    Well, this is just racist hate speech bullshit.

    It finally occurred to me that the big problem here on this site is that there is a lack of understanding -- and really, I mean, on the part of Ron Unz himself -- of the difference between free speech and assholery.

    Disallowing speech that is just pure assholery is not an attack on free speech, properly understood. In fact, eventually, you get a Gresham's law dynamic, where the bad crowds out the good. In this case, all the assholery eventually crowds out worthwhile speech.

    An honest ethno-nationalist anti-immigration case is real free speech. But all this stuff about how Muslims are all rapists is just assholery and the fact that it is allowed to go on unchecked is a real problem here.

    {…..and really, I mean, on the part of Ron Unz himself — of the difference between free speech and assholery.}
    {…. is allowed to go on unchecked is a real problem here.}

    Not only are you an ingrate, but the irony of you complaining about some problem or other and so-called ‘free speech’ @UNZ.com clearly escapes you.

    Ron gave you a platform as an author to produce a 11,300 word article a while back, followed by a plethora of long comments by you under your own article, where you proceeded, in your usual MO, to insult* other posters and call them names. Your ‘free speech’ to insult other posters is obviously A-OK, but others’ ‘free speech’ to label Muslims, for example, is “…. a real problem here”.

    BTW: there is no such thing as ‘free speech’ at a private web site. The owner(s) and moderators can allow or disallow any post for any reason or no reason at all. Or an article or an author. Their web site, their rules: don’t like it? Don’t visit and don’t post comments.

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    July 24, 2017 at 10:32 pm GMT • 300 Words

    [Offhand, I think you tend to personally insult and crudely vilify other commenters here more than just about anyone else who comes to mind.]

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  • @Alden
    Post 254 has 3 links. Read the links.

    I posted those links because I wanted to see your reaction . As usual you claim that it didn’t happen.

    Read the news articles. One hand for masturbating, one hand on the woman. The hospital personnel rushed in to save her. They didn’t take pictures.

    Many observers of Muslim life believe Muslim are violent rapists and clinically insane because they are sexually abused by Muslim men as little boys.

    What do you think of that theory you unspeakable obscenity?

    Post 254 has 3 links. Read the links.

    None of the links are from serious news sources. They are either just tabloids, the equivalent of the National Enquirer in the US, or right-wing crank sites, like that “Defend Europa” site.

    Above, I provided some data about asylum applications in Finland over the last few years with a link. The link was to a Finnish government website.

    I guess you don’t understand the difference. I note that a lot of the people here, not just you (though you are a flagrant case) just don’t understand the difference between real hard facts and storytelling.

    So, your idea is that if you provide some link where somebody is telling some story, like some Ay-rab raped a pony in a petting zoo in Berlin, then that story just must be true. I found it in the Sun, a British tabloid and it’s all over the place on these various Islamophobe sites, like jihadwatch.org and barenakedislam.org and so forth.

    Of course, if you think about the story, it makes no sense. A guy was copulating with a pony in a children’s petting zoo and ONE person saw this. Well, surely dozens of people would have seen it OR none at all.

    Many observers of Muslim life believe Muslim are violent rapists and clinically insane because …

    Well, this is just racist hate speech bullshit.

    It finally occurred to me that the big problem here on this site is that there is a lack of understanding — and really, I mean, on the part of Ron Unz himself — of the difference between free speech and assholery.

    Disallowing speech that is just pure assholery is not an attack on free speech, properly understood. In fact, eventually, you get a Gresham’s law dynamic, where the bad crowds out the good. In this case, all the assholery eventually crowds out worthwhile speech.

    An honest ethno-nationalist anti-immigration case is real free speech. But all this stuff about how Muslims are all rapists is just assholery and the fact that it is allowed to go on unchecked is a real problem here.

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    {.....and really, I mean, on the part of Ron Unz himself — of the difference between free speech and assholery.}
    {.... is allowed to go on unchecked is a real problem here.}

    Not only are you an ingrate, but the irony of you complaining about some problem or other and so-called 'free speech' @UNZ.com clearly escapes you.

    Ron gave you a platform as an author to produce a 11,300 word article a while back, followed by a plethora of long comments by you under your own article, where you proceeded, in your usual MO, to insult* other posters and call them names. Your 'free speech' to insult other posters is obviously A-OK, but others' 'free speech' to label Muslims, for example, is ".... a real problem here".

    BTW: there is no such thing as 'free speech' at a private web site. The owner(s) and moderators can allow or disallow any post for any reason or no reason at all. Or an article or an author. Their web site, their rules: don't like it? Don't visit and don't post comments.


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    July 24, 2017 at 10:32 pm GMT • 300 Words

    [Offhand, I think you tend to personally insult and crudely vilify other commenters here more than just about anyone else who comes to mind.]
    , @Alden
    You should check up on the national Inquirer.

    Decades ago it ran some articles that were untrue. The subjects of the articles sued for libel and won. The plaintiffs won millions because they proved that the articles were completely false.

    Since then, the inquirer takes great pains to check and re check every story to make sure every story

    1 is absolutely the truth
    2 the inquirer can prove in court that the statements are true.

    It’s actually one of the most reliable papers in the country.

    The Sun isn’t the intellectual aimed at the upper class The Guardian or The Economist or The Times. But The Intellectual snobbish Guardian was a Soviet front from 1930 10 1990.

    The Economist is not even a front for global cannibal vampire capitalism. The Economist is a proud propagandist for global cannibal vampire capitalism.
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  • @utu
    German authorities to annoy Revusky released a video

    German authorities have been criticised for waiting almost six months to release pictures of a group of sex attackers - which immediately led to four arrests

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5232687/German-cops-waited-6-months-release-sex-attackers-pics.html#ixzz53BXZiHvN

    German authorities have been criticised for waiting almost six months to release pictures of a group of sex attackers – which immediately led to four arrests

    I immediately clicked on the link thinking that I would see something, like some photo or video of somebody actually being sexually assaulted… but…. SURPRISE!!! Big fat nothing. Just some photos of some Arab dudes standing around. No women in sight even.

    But it hardly matters, utu. The issue at hand was whether HUNDREDS of women were sexually assaulted in Cologne on New Years Eve 2015, and if so, how this could happen without there being any photographic evidence.

    OBVIOUSLY, photographs taken in July of 2017 in Berlin relating to the ALLEGED assault of ONE woman cannot prove that HUNDREDS of women were assaulted in Cologne, hundreds of miles away on a completely separate date.

    But look, all of this “Muslim rape epidemic” narrative is obviously total bullshit. For example, a friend of mine here is German, actually half-German on his mother’s side, but grew up bilingual, speaks German fluently and is very at ease in that culture. He told me not too long ago that he had been in various social gatherings this summer full of Germans (here in Spain) but largely people who live in Germany and he had broached the topic of some rape epidemic going on in Germany.

    So, it was like he’d mention this to German girls, who live in whatever Germany city, like how they could handle living in Germany with this horrid rape epidemic going on.

    Utu, NONE of these people knew WTF he was talking about!!! These are people who live in Germany! He’d bring up these stories, out of curiosity obviously, and they just looked at him like he was crazy! “What rape epidemic? WTF are you talking about? My city is perfectly safe!”

    Now, I suppose that if there are a million plus young males from Syria or wherever, by a law of large numbers, surely a few will be louts and you could have some genuine incidents here and there of loutish behavior, but my sense is that they are actually few and far between, since most of the incidents reported eventually turn out to be hoaxes. As I mentioned earlier, there is a site (in German) called hoaxmap.org that makes a point of compiling all these fake news stories mostly involving Muslims.

    The whole idea that there is some rape epidemic going on in Germany is just something constructed by these right-wing tabloids and the various Zionist propaganda outfits like Gatestone Institute and the rest.

    Getting back to Finland, as a proportion of the population, there are about as many Muslims in Finland as there are black folks in the state of Maine. You think Maine is flooded with black people or that there is some huge crime wave going on there? Of course not. Probably in most of Maine, people hardly need to lock their houses at night. I don’t think Finland is particularly dissimilar. The whole idea that Finland is deluged with Muslims and they are causing a crime wave is just fake news. The author of this article is not even a Finn!

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  • @FKA Max
    You also have to consider "family reunification" in your numbers:

    Organisations: Income limits for family reunification must be abandoned

    The office of Amnesty International in Finland, the Finnish Red Cross, the Finnish Refugee Council, the Finnish Refugee Advice Centre, Finn Church Aid, Save the Children Finland, the Federation of Mother and Child Homes and Shelters, and the Finnish Somali League have criticised measures which would make it more difficult to reunite families.
    - https://www.redcross.fi/news/20160222/organisations-income-limits-family-reunification-must-be-abandoned

    The following data is from the U.S., but I'd imagine that the situation in Europe is similar:

    Family reunification is the largest of four major avenues through which individuals qualify for admission and "lawful permanent residence" in the U.S..

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/source_images_oldsite/apr03_spot_1.gif

    Source: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/family-reunification

    Recent data from Denmark:

    Like most other Western European countries, Denmark has introduced a number of restrictions on immigration since the late 1990s.

    Yet, as can be seen from the figure below, there were more people arriving by family reunification than by successfully obtaining refugee status in every year from 2011-2016.

    Moreover, applications for refugee status and for family reunification follow each other closely. In fact, applications for refugee status correlate with applications for family reunification at 0.97 over the years in question, while numbers of accepted refugees and accepted family reunifications correlate at 0.99, that is, an almost perfect correlation between the two phenomena.

    All in all, this points to a strong connection between asylum seekers and family reunification and understanding the two as closely related; many refugees arrive hoping to bring at least one family member. Given the high correlation, policy-makers can use refugee numbers as a very strong predictor of family reunification – depending, of course, the country’s laws on the area.

    http://dailydeliberation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Screen-Shot-2017-02-10-at-18.38.58-1024x570.png

    Source: http://dailydeliberation.com/family-reunification-and-refugees/ Archived link: http://archive.is/QCLPU

    I am afraid these will be the new talking points to allow more family reunifications:

    Germany: Migrants ‘may have fuelled violent crime rise’
    3 January 2018

    The report used statistics from Lower Saxony – regarded as an average state – where police saw an increase of 10.4% in reported violent crimes in 2015 and 2016.

    Based on figures from the state’s interior ministry, which keeps a separate record of alleged crimes by migrants, the report suggested that 92.1% of this increase was attributable to migrants.
    [...]
    The lack of women and families among the migrants also meant that those young men were deprived of a “violence-preventing, civilising force”, the study said.

    The report suggested more migrants should be reunited with their families

    It also said that migrants with little hope of being giving asylum in Germany were much more likely to commit violent crime than those from war zones like Syria whose asylum was guaranteed.
    [...]
    In the Lower Saxony figures, 17% of crimes attributed to migrants were suspected of being committed by North Africans.

    This group, which makes up less than 1% of the state’s migrant population, has little chance of achieving legal status in Germany.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42557828

    In order for young male migrants not to act out and behave violently and criminally we need to grant them asylum and also bring their families to Europe. These people are certifiably insane!

    Ensuring family reunification for refugees in Europe

    Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights
    Published on Jun 18, 2017
    “Member states have a legal and moral obligation to ensure family reunification. International human rights standards require that people seeking protection can reunify with their families in an effective and timely manner. States must lift the many obstacles to family reunification and treat all people seeking protection equally.” – Nils Muiznieks, Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights

    Number of persons with Finnish background decreased in 2014

    In the course of 2014, Finland’s population grew by 20,483 persons. The number of people with foreign background grew by 21,187 persons, while that of people with Finnish background went down by 704 persons. This is the first time in the examined period 1990 to 2014 when the number of people with Finnish background in the population decreased. However, the decrease is still small: compared to the previous year, 0.01 per cent. In turn, the number of people with foreign background increased by seven per cent.

    http://www.stat.fi/til/vaerak/2014/01/vaerak_2014_01_2015-12-10_tie_001_en.html

    Obviously not only refugees may and do apply for family reunification. Ethnic Danes marrying abroad as well as members of older groups of immigrants could significantly contribute to the statistics. The former would often include native Danish men and Thai or Filipino women, while the latter would pertain to men of Turkish, Pakistani, and Moroccan origin with women from those same countries.

    National origin of applicants for family reunification

    Source: http://dailydeliberation.com/family-reunification-and-refugees/

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  • German authorities to annoy Revusky released a video

    German authorities have been criticised for waiting almost six months to release pictures of a group of sex attackers – which immediately led to four arrests

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5232687/German-cops-waited-6-months-release-sex-attackers-pics.html#ixzz53BXZiHvN

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    German authorities have been criticised for waiting almost six months to release pictures of a group of sex attackers – which immediately led to four arrests
     
    I immediately clicked on the link thinking that I would see something, like some photo or video of somebody actually being sexually assaulted... but.... SURPRISE!!! Big fat nothing. Just some photos of some Arab dudes standing around. No women in sight even.

    But it hardly matters, utu. The issue at hand was whether HUNDREDS of women were sexually assaulted in Cologne on New Years Eve 2015, and if so, how this could happen without there being any photographic evidence.

    OBVIOUSLY, photographs taken in July of 2017 in Berlin relating to the ALLEGED assault of ONE woman cannot prove that HUNDREDS of women were assaulted in Cologne, hundreds of miles away on a completely separate date.

    But look, all of this "Muslim rape epidemic" narrative is obviously total bullshit. For example, a friend of mine here is German, actually half-German on his mother's side, but grew up bilingual, speaks German fluently and is very at ease in that culture. He told me not too long ago that he had been in various social gatherings this summer full of Germans (here in Spain) but largely people who live in Germany and he had broached the topic of some rape epidemic going on in Germany.

    So, it was like he'd mention this to German girls, who live in whatever Germany city, like how they could handle living in Germany with this horrid rape epidemic going on.

    Utu, NONE of these people knew WTF he was talking about!!! These are people who live in Germany! He'd bring up these stories, out of curiosity obviously, and they just looked at him like he was crazy! "What rape epidemic? WTF are you talking about? My city is perfectly safe!"

    Now, I suppose that if there are a million plus young males from Syria or wherever, by a law of large numbers, surely a few will be louts and you could have some genuine incidents here and there of loutish behavior, but my sense is that they are actually few and far between, since most of the incidents reported eventually turn out to be hoaxes. As I mentioned earlier, there is a site (in German) called hoaxmap.org that makes a point of compiling all these fake news stories mostly involving Muslims.

    The whole idea that there is some rape epidemic going on in Germany is just something constructed by these right-wing tabloids and the various Zionist propaganda outfits like Gatestone Institute and the rest.

    Getting back to Finland, as a proportion of the population, there are about as many Muslims in Finland as there are black folks in the state of Maine. You think Maine is flooded with black people or that there is some huge crime wave going on there? Of course not. Probably in most of Maine, people hardly need to lock their houses at night. I don't think Finland is particularly dissimilar. The whole idea that Finland is deluged with Muslims and they are causing a crime wave is just fake news. The author of this article is not even a Finn!
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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    If you are starting with 2009, you are missing much of the picture.
     
    Look, I made a very simple point, even simple enough for a dumbshit like you to understand. So I think you're being willfully obtuse. But here's the point again:

    The author of the above article tells us that over 32,000 asylum seekers entered Finland in 2015 alone, and he's clearly implying that this is a typical year. So I pointed out that, in a typical year, Finland has something more like 4,000 or 5,000 people applying for asylum. It's not too hard to look up what the statistics on asylum seekers in Finland is. Their government site gives the data for the last twenty years or so right here:

    http://www.migri.fi/about_us/statistics/statistics_on_asylum_and_refugees

    Here are the numbers of asylum seekers by year:

    1997: 958
    1998: 1,263
    1999: 3,106
    2000: 3,155
    2001: 1,643
    2002: 3,443
    2003: 3,184
    2004: 3,861
    2005: 3,574
    2006: 2,324
    2007: 1,505
    2008: 4,035
    2009: 5,988
    2010: 4,018
    2011: 3,088
    2012: 3,129
    2013: 3,238
    2014: 3,651
    2015: 32,467
    2016: 5,651

    The total number of asylum seekers in that twenty-year period, I add up to be 93,281, a mean of 4,664 asylum seekers per year, even including the anomalous year of 2015, which is the only year the article gives a figure for. Note that this is all countries put together, so it includes people from Ukraine or the Balkans or other places.

    I also noted that the number of asylum applications actually accepted is much lower than this. If you look at, say, 2010, the number of people actually granted asylum was 1,784.

    http://www.migri.fi/download/16783_Decision_on_asylum_2010.pdf

    Again, the figure for 2015 given by the author is completely anomalous and it is not clear how many of the 32,000 people will actually be allowed to stay in Finland in the end.

    But anyway, the grand total of asylum seekers in Finland over the last 20 years is somewhat less than 100,000. Fewer than 5,000 a year. So I do not think that Finland, a country of 5.5 million, is being overrun by refugees.

    Most of the Somalis came to Finland in the 1990s and early 2000s, before 2009.
     
    The Wikipedia page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Finland

    puts the number of Somali speakers in Finland at 17,871. At a different point in the page, it claims that there are 9,618 people residing in Finland who were born in Somalia. I suppose the difference is ethnic Somalis who were born in Finland to Somali parents but speak Somali at home. Some might be the product of mixed marriages and thus, it's not clear exactly how to count, but I conclude that, by whatever reckoning, there are fewer than 20,000 Somalis in Finland.

    Now, I do understand that all the racialist ethno-nationalists would prefer for there to be zero Somalis in Finland. But, let's a grip here. There are, it appears, fewer than 20,000 Somalis in Finland, a country of 5.5 million.

    Well, okay, I suppose that will lower the average IQ of people in Finland noticeably, since it is a well known fact that the average Somali has an IQ of -1000.

    But, regardless, this whole notion that Finland is being overrun by Somalis or any other sort of Muslim or Arab -- it's just bullshit, as far as I can tell. This has practically nothing to do with ideology. It's simply because I went and checked the numbers!

    Showing some of you guys some actual data is probably about like shining sunlight on a vampire!

    Calling people dumb shit doesn’t refute their statements

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    Average Somalian IQ is 68
     
    Dude, I assume that that figure is from testing done in Somalia and reflects conditions in Somalia. I am not an expert in these issues, but it strikes me as quite unlikely that the average IQ of Somali ethnics in Finland is 68. For starters, the origin of the Somali community there is that there were Somali university students in the Soviet Union, or ex-Soviet Union, who crossed into Finland. It is rather unlikely that the Somalis studying in a Russian university are all that stupid, since, for starters, they would have had to master Russian at a university studies level, and Russian is quite a difficult language.

    I also doubt that the Somali ethnics born in Finland who went through the Finnish school system score at a mean of 68. I don't know what their average IQ is, mind you, but I also am quite confident that neither you nor any of the other dumbasses here know what it is either.

    BUT... regardless, the real point is that there are only 17,000 Somalis in all of Finland. That's one Somali for every 300 ethnic Finns. Even if their average IQ really was 68, which I doubt frankly, it would not affect the mean IQ in Finland significantly, for the very simple reason that there are hardly any of them! Given the numbers, even if the average Somali had an IQ of 28, it wouldn't affect the average IQ in Finland very much.

    Go look it the numbers. Finland is simply NOT full of Somalis. Finland is not being flooded with Somalis or any other type of Muslim or Arab. There are apparently something like 50,000 Muslims in Finland total. That's it.

    This article is a complete bullshit fraud, for example telling us that there were 32,000 asylum seekers who entered Finland in 2015, and then not mentioning any other year. And the author is surely some zionist disinfo agent who is posing as a Finn. And there are Finns here who are calling this out as bullshit.

    Generally speaking, though, you guys here are such a bunch of pathetic dumbasses, with this desperate need to be duped by disinfo, like Finland is being deluged with Muslims. And it gets really cringeworthy when such idiots start all this stuff about IQ and the rest of the pseudo-scientific BS. Well, okay, it is understandable that you are obsessed with IQ. People tend to be obsessed with that which they do not possess. But you guys seemingly are incapable of doing the most minimal fact-checking and seeing that there are hardly any Muslims in Finland and the article is therefore just bullshit. And then when somebody (me in this case) tells you that this is just bullshit, you get all bothered and start with all the insults and other nonsense.

    When I discovered this Unz Review site a few years ago, I was quite positive about it. I remember sending links to friends and so forth. A year or so after that, I was quite proud to have articles published here, but now I have real misgivings. The place has become such a cesspool. My God, all the assorted morons and assholes here, it's become masochistic for anybody with a minimum of good taste and intelligence to hang out here.

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    While masturbating he attacked a woman labor.
     
    You mean he attacked a woman IN labor while masturbating? Do you have a link?

    Are there are any visuals of this? I honestly cannot visualize this. He attacked a woman WHILE masturbating.... So he had a weapon in one hand and another weapon in the other hand, eh?

    In other news, a Syrian invader in Germany raped a pony.
     

    Well, what to do? I guess the dude is "hung like a horse", eh?

    Oh, and I guess there aren't any pix of this either, eh? Just as well, I suppose....

    Seriously, though, I can't even tell whether this is a joke or whether you believe these stories. What is the point of this? You surely can't think you can advance any cause by repeating this kind of nonsense, can you? Anybody normal just figures that anybody who repeats this stuff must be touched in the head.

    Post 254 has 3 links. Read the links.

    I posted those links because I wanted to see your reaction . As usual you claim that it didn’t happen.

    Read the news articles. One hand for masturbating, one hand on the woman. The hospital personnel rushed in to save her. They didn’t take pictures.

    Many observers of Muslim life believe Muslim are violent rapists and clinically insane because they are sexually abused by Muslim men as little boys.

    What do you think of that theory you unspeakable obscenity?

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    Post 254 has 3 links. Read the links.
     
    None of the links are from serious news sources. They are either just tabloids, the equivalent of the National Enquirer in the US, or right-wing crank sites, like that "Defend Europa" site.

    Above, I provided some data about asylum applications in Finland over the last few years with a link. The link was to a Finnish government website.

    I guess you don't understand the difference. I note that a lot of the people here, not just you (though you are a flagrant case) just don't understand the difference between real hard facts and storytelling.

    So, your idea is that if you provide some link where somebody is telling some story, like some Ay-rab raped a pony in a petting zoo in Berlin, then that story just must be true. I found it in the Sun, a British tabloid and it's all over the place on these various Islamophobe sites, like jihadwatch.org and barenakedislam.org and so forth.

    Of course, if you think about the story, it makes no sense. A guy was copulating with a pony in a children's petting zoo and ONE person saw this. Well, surely dozens of people would have seen it OR none at all.

    Many observers of Muslim life believe Muslim are violent rapists and clinically insane because ...
     
    Well, this is just racist hate speech bullshit.

    It finally occurred to me that the big problem here on this site is that there is a lack of understanding -- and really, I mean, on the part of Ron Unz himself -- of the difference between free speech and assholery.

    Disallowing speech that is just pure assholery is not an attack on free speech, properly understood. In fact, eventually, you get a Gresham's law dynamic, where the bad crowds out the good. In this case, all the assholery eventually crowds out worthwhile speech.

    An honest ethno-nationalist anti-immigration case is real free speech. But all this stuff about how Muslims are all rapists is just assholery and the fact that it is allowed to go on unchecked is a real problem here.
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  • Having lived in Finland for a few years ago, and loved a wonderful Finnish girl: any immigration issues they have is really only a secondary disease, if you wish to call it that. The overall society has been so broken by its socialism and wage structure issues that few in the West could possibly comprehend it. It pretty much has been bleeding brains for some time to exit at the very least, to Sweden, but often to further in the Europe. Internally, its tax structure encourages businesses to evade hiring locals and its very stilted hiring system makes hiring immigrants to be the only sane option.

    There’s never been much in the way of a social community, Finnish are traditionally isolationist. Essentially they have switched to a UBI system with their KELA, and seeing the abysmal failure of it(even sans immigration) has turned me off greatly on the promise of UBI.

    Their problems essentially are too vast to be quantified these days. For one example: Nokia was basically destroyed as an innovative company simply because it became company policy that criticism was meanness, and meanness could be punished by firing.

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  • @Alden
    Indian woman are allowed to demonstrate against rape.

    European women are not. Were European women to organize a protest against rape, they would be arrested and charged with hate crime.

    That's what happened to the Rotherham, Oxford rape victims in those towns and other towns in England where muslim animals raped hundreds of 11 to 16 year old girls. In one case, the animals took the girl to a hotel. She was 12. He screams annoyed the other tenants who called the police.

    She was arrested for disturbing the peace and 14 animals were allowed to leave. It happened again and again. When parents went to police to report animals raping their daughters, they were threatened with being charged with wasting police time.

    EU women need to reverse engineer the Swadeshi Movement, rebrand it and create a hybrid lobby that’s tailored to their critical needs.

    For starters, EU women can immediately boycott all cosmetics.

    I’d bet this gets the globalists’ attention, real quick. In essence EU women could have globalists’ invested in this $445 billion (sales for 2017) industry, by their balls.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swadeshi_movement
    source: https://www.statista.com/topics/3137/cosmetics-industry/
    source: http://chemistscorner.com/the-20-biggest-cosmetic-companies-in-the-world/

    Impact of the Swadeshi Movement

    …..

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  • @another fred

    Why are people so unhappy in America or am I getting the wrong idea from UR?
     
    Happiness or UNhappiness is not a function of absolute position, but of relative position and trend, both of which are declining in the US.

    It is, therefore, especially painful to people to observe their own position getting worse while that of a small minority improves.

    This is the nature of the beast.

    Psychologically true I think. As one who has been advocating global free trade forever (starting from when Australia was all round protectionist) I don’t see Americans problems as resulting from glibalization so much as the bad choices that have caused governments from 1989/90 (end of Cold War) to waste trillions of dollars on military ventures and their follow ups (including care of veterans) and by missing the chance to make allies instead of enemies out of Russia and China. (Is it fantasy to suppose that some American statesman might have had the imagination to treat China with great respect and invite it to share the burdens in Afghanistan with the prospect, not only of being treated earlier as the heavyweight in international affairs that it was going to become eventually, but as a front ruñner for developing Afghanistan’s mineral wealth?).

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  • @Alden
    Indian woman are allowed to demonstrate against rape.

    European women are not. Were European women to organize a protest against rape, they would be arrested and charged with hate crime.

    That's what happened to the Rotherham, Oxford rape victims in those towns and other towns in England where muslim animals raped hundreds of 11 to 16 year old girls. In one case, the animals took the girl to a hotel. She was 12. He screams annoyed the other tenants who called the police.

    She was arrested for disturbing the peace and 14 animals were allowed to leave. It happened again and again. When parents went to police to report animals raping their daughters, they were threatened with being charged with wasting police time.

    {Indian woman are allowed to demonstrate against rape.}

    They are allowed to do a lot more than demonstrate.
    [India: Girl tracks down her molester and beats him in public]

    Nice work young lady.

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  • @wayfarer
    A grassroots self-defense model that women of the European Union need to adopt, ASAP.

    Gulabi Gang (from Hindi गुलाबी gulabī, "pink") is a group of Indian women activists. The group first appeared in Bundelkhand, Uttar Pradesh, as a response to widespread domestic abuse and other violence against women.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulabi_Gang
     
    Pink Gang Rebellion
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj2UM8132-k

    Indian woman are allowed to demonstrate against rape.

    European women are not. Were European women to organize a protest against rape, they would be arrested and charged with hate crime.

    That’s what happened to the Rotherham, Oxford rape victims in those towns and other towns in England where muslim animals raped hundreds of 11 to 16 year old girls. In one case, the animals took the girl to a hotel. She was 12. He screams annoyed the other tenants who called the police.

    She was arrested for disturbing the peace and 14 animals were allowed to leave. It happened again and again. When parents went to police to report animals raping their daughters, they were threatened with being charged with wasting police time.

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    {Indian woman are allowed to demonstrate against rape.}

    They are allowed to do a lot more than demonstrate.
    [India: Girl tracks down her molester and beats him in public]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2_KjWOf-gI

    Nice work young lady.
    , @wayfarer
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/7b/de/677bde1da2cbbbee931d0f5ce9cbbae8.jpg

    EU women need to reverse engineer the Swadeshi Movement, rebrand it and create a hybrid lobby that's tailored to their critical needs.

    For starters, EU women can immediately boycott all cosmetics.

    I'd bet this gets the globalists' attention, real quick. In essence EU women could have globalists' invested in this $445 billion (sales for 2017) industry, by their balls.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swadeshi_movement
    source: https://www.statista.com/topics/3137/cosmetics-industry/
    source: http://chemistscorner.com/the-20-biggest-cosmetic-companies-in-the-world/

    Impact of the Swadeshi Movement

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSo8-EtuDxk

    .....
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  • @Alden
    Latest news from Rome. Over New Year’s a Somalian got hold of a set of hospital scrubs. He went to St Eugenio Hospital’s maternity ward. He entered a labor room. While masturbating he attacked a woman labor.

    She screamed, staff arrived and he was arrested. At least it’s Italy not Germany or Sweden where no charges would be brought because of the animals sex needs.

    In other news, a Syrian invader in Germany raped a pony.

    While masturbating he attacked a woman labor.

    You mean he attacked a woman IN labor while masturbating? Do you have a link?

    Are there are any visuals of this? I honestly cannot visualize this. He attacked a woman WHILE masturbating…. So he had a weapon in one hand and another weapon in the other hand, eh?

    In other news, a Syrian invader in Germany raped a pony.

    Well, what to do? I guess the dude is “hung like a horse”, eh?

    Oh, and I guess there aren’t any pix of this either, eh? Just as well, I suppose….

    Seriously, though, I can’t even tell whether this is a joke or whether you believe these stories. What is the point of this? You surely can’t think you can advance any cause by repeating this kind of nonsense, can you? Anybody normal just figures that anybody who repeats this stuff must be touched in the head.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    Post 254 has 3 links. Read the links.

    I posted those links because I wanted to see your reaction . As usual you claim that it didn’t happen.

    Read the news articles. One hand for masturbating, one hand on the woman. The hospital personnel rushed in to save her. They didn’t take pictures.

    Many observers of Muslim life believe Muslim are violent rapists and clinically insane because they are sexually abused by Muslim men as little boys.

    What do you think of that theory you unspeakable obscenity?
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  • @Alden
    Latest news from Rome. Over New Year’s a Somalian got hold of a set of hospital scrubs. He went to St Eugenio Hospital’s maternity ward. He entered a labor room. While masturbating he attacked a woman labor.

    She screamed, staff arrived and he was arrested. At least it’s Italy not Germany or Sweden where no charges would be brought because of the animals sex needs.

    In other news, a Syrian invader in Germany raped a pony.

    Here is the story. I look forward to your defense of the somalian animal on the grounds that as a muslim he has a mandate from Allah to rape every infidel woman he can.

    Italy: Somalian Storms Delivery Room and Attempts to Rape Woman …

    https://www.defendevropa.org › Migrants › Migrant Crime

    1 day ago – Home / Migrants / Migrant Crime / Italy: Somalian Storms Delivery Room and Attempts to Rape Woman in Labour. … An unreal situation in the Italian capital Rome, according to Libero; a Somalian man managed to get past the security of Sant’Eugenio Hospital and stormed a delivering …

    ITALY: Somali Muslim Invader Breaks Into Hospital’s Maternity Ward …
    http://www.silvanuspublishing.com/italy/somali-muslim-invader-attempts-rape-women-labor/

    23 hours ago – Scandal in a hospital in Rome where a Somali , after overcoming every kind of control, entered the delivery room and tried to rape a woman in full labor . The protagonist of the story is a 38-year-old Somali citizen who stole the green nursing uniform from a warehouse at the Sant’Eugenio hospital in Rome …

    Somali Immigrant Arrested After Trying to Rape Woman in Labor in …

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/…/somali-immigrant-arrested-trying-rape-woman-labor-…;

    37 mins ago – A Somali migrant was arrested after disguising himself as a nurse and attempting to rape a woman in labor at the Sant’Eugenio Hospital in Rome. Ali Abdella reportedly entered the delivery room when labor had already begun and started talking to the patient. He then touched it on his left thigh and started …

    In what wasn’t even the first occurance of this Somali migrant barges …

    rebrn.com/…/in-what-wasnt-even-the-first-occurance-of-this-somali-migrant-ba-3909…

    21 hours ago – Saint Eugene Hospital. Somalian immigrant enters birthing hall (literal translation, the English equivalent is maternity ward) and attempts to rape woman in labor. A scandal in a hospital in Rome where a Somalian, after overcoming every kind of control, entered the birthing hall where he attempted to violate …

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  • @Alden
    The article is not so much about how many Muslims are in Finland but what they are doing.
    They are committing rapes in a country that almost no rapes until the Muslims arrived.

    The article is also about rapes by black Africans. Many of them are not Muslims

    Muslims justify locking up their women, not allowing women out in public, and covering them in yards and yards of black fabric, even wearing gloves and knee socks so not an inch of skin shows by the fact that Muslim men can not control their sex urged, even on public buses and subways.

    What kind of men are Muslims that they attack women on public buses full of passengers? What kind of cowards and physical weaklings are Muslims that it takes 3 or 4 of them to rape a 12 year old?

    And what’s with covering the hair because the sight of women’s hair drives Muslim men mad with uncontrollable lust?

    Is it some kind of insane hair fetish? I can see admiring and preferring different colors and styles of hair, but uncontrollable lust leading to rape at the sight of a wonen’s Hair?

    That’s beyond insane.

    Remember that it’s not all moslems who are doing this in Finland or any place but specially when we have psychotrashic hardware combined with retarded schizotrashic …

    ”religuion”… software … made by that (((ridiculous ones)))

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  • @Alden
    Latest news from Rome. Over New Year’s a Somalian got hold of a set of hospital scrubs. He went to St Eugenio Hospital’s maternity ward. He entered a labor room. While masturbating he attacked a woman labor.

    She screamed, staff arrived and he was arrested. At least it’s Italy not Germany or Sweden where no charges would be brought because of the animals sex needs.

    In other news, a Syrian invader in Germany raped a pony.

    I believe you are a sex offender aka violent rapist on a prison computer. Your hysterical defense of rape and claims it is not being committed leads me to believe that.

    Was your defense “she wanted it”

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  • @utu
    Israeli solution for Finland?

    Israel offers to pay tens of thousands of African migrants to leave within 90 days or face jail after Netanyahu said their presence is 'a threat to the country's Jewish character'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5231587/Israel-offers-pay-African-migrants-leave-threatens-jail.html#ixzz5395cROSO

    Israeli solution for Finland?

    Not a chance, utu. The ADL and other leading organizations of The Lobby, including the Luggenpresse of Weimerica, would be crying “bloody murder.”

    No, it’s “diversity for thee, but not for me”!

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  • Israeli solution for Finland?

    Israel offers to pay tens of thousands of African migrants to leave within 90 days or face jail after Netanyahu said their presence is ‘a threat to the country’s Jewish character’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5231587/Israel-offers-pay-African-migrants-leave-threatens-jail.html#ixzz5395cROSO

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    Israeli solution for Finland?
     
    Not a chance, utu. The ADL and other leading organizations of The Lobby, including the Luggenpresse of Weimerica, would be crying "bloody murder."

    No, it's "diversity for thee, but not for me"!
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  • @Malla

    If you stopped the welfare I’m sure many would simply leave, the weather’s so harsh. These guys just bump around looking for a free meal and other free stuff.
     
    Some would leave but many would stay. Most do not want to go back to their old shit holes, Finnish winter is far better than their own third world lands full of corrupt surly wild people. There are a lot of attractive women who are easier than women back home (Middle East & Indian subcontinent). Many would stay behind unless removed by force.

    Finnish winter is far better than their own third world lands full of corrupt surly wild people.

    Have you even the slightest idea what a Finnish winter, unbuffered by welfare/charity, is actually like? I’d take on wild people anyday, over wild wolves. In the dark. At 20 below.

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  • @mikael
    I had to my horror role back to the top to see what kind of ignorant &%¤.... was writing this Finnish history, and the weird focus on the Swedish Fins, witch is as true as I am an man from Khalahari, an historical nonsense that have stuck, against Finland is old, the Sweds have invented their so called history, based upon utter bullshit, and their hate for Fins isnt new, majority of the Sweds are original, and thereby genetically Finnish, by that, I mean the rest of the Genetic Groups have come to this region recently, up to the 1600-1700 incl the Slavs, and the RBa for Europe, and the even more fabricated bullshit is about Eastern bound, coming from Ural or China, huh, that is debunked totally, its the so called "vikings" the I-HaplG that is the Khazarian, the AzkheNazis (witch have 0 to do with Hebrews, but calls them self Jews) originated in the black sea region to the Caspian sea, aka the Caucasus, and so on, before them, we where here, I can trace my self over 600 years back, etc, and there is no Genetic coloration with Mongols, at all, not an drop, no more than Mexicans, do you get it.
    This was just an warning about bollocks wrapped in as history.

    Etc, and to the present, Fins and the Mountain monkeys in Norway have been high jacked, 40 years ago, then the New Labor came along, created scums like StoltenBerg, etc, spitting millions into Sore-ass NGOs, and Wahhabi, on top of it, and you wounder why, are you blind.
    This happened in parallel with Finland and Sweden.
    Then came the cultural Marxists.
    Whoms love child with the Leftards was and still is, PC-ism.
    Years of propaganda, in all ways possible from the TV to the Pads, 24/7, crushed everything.
    Everything from workers right, to economic bobbles, creating an condition where they justified an invasion of foreign, aka cheep labor, thru 3 decades and now is accumulating in an speed that is unprecedented, and somehow, when some of us have tried to tell you this, the economic policy, and the last 3 decades of wars, witch most of the whiners supported, and now, is dead silent, while our children are scorned and raped.

    The police, as in Norway have codes, thats why you never see them on official stats, because it never came this far at all, it simply goes unreported, shuffled side, unless the case is widely known or severe, so like in Norway, the stat is 100% fascistic and war is all there is, and we have an right winged so called nationalistic party ion the Gov. and what do you think is happening, in the MSM or by the Gov. absolutely nothing, and if there is anything, the MSM will attack with full force, aka troll hunters, and so on, PCs-storm troops.

    And then we have the present, an castrated people, wiped into submission, and in stead of been honest, fight for Finland, and make that crystal clear, and by that I mean send every single one of them out, kick am all out, and start again, but the first problem is the MSM, western worlds nemesis.
    If you dont do, or simply ignore, them, they will turn, but the second problem is Gov. whom controls the law, what Sweden have done, is making the Police to an force, where nothing is alowed to alter the image the present Swedish Gov. wants to prodject, where the attack their own, and ignores the rest, they need to be given an clear message, either with us or against us, no compromise is allowed, because it will eventually end this way, because the wars will expand, the economic demises will grow, etc, and to then preserve an nation is best done by removing the problem, socially and economically, trade will always be there, what hammered Finland was the UssAs and its Russian embargoes. Send them all out, 99% have not come from an war zone, and then its not in our duty to do anything else than short time stay and help, some cash and kick em out, we dont need them, thats the truth.

    I have family in one town whom got hit bad by this moronic Russian hysteria, and I mean bad, and no recovery in sight, why, huh, if you are a Fin, and I am from an Nation older than all of you, but considers my self as a Skolt Fin/Lap, the last remnants of the original people.
    Do you understand, the problem is two fold, the MSM and the Gov.
    Deal with that, and then the rest after.
    Get your head out of your ass and do something.

    peace

    majority of the Sweds are original, and thereby genetically Finnish, by that, I mean the rest of the Genetic Groups have come to this region recently, up to the 1600-1700 incl the Slavs, and the RBa for Europe, and the even more fabricated bullshit is about Eastern bound, coming from Ural or China, huh, that is debunked totally, its the so called “vikings” the I-HaplG that is the Khazarian, the AzkheNazis (witch have 0 to do with Hebrews, but calls them self Jews) originated in the black sea region to the Caspian sea, aka the Caucasus, and so on, before them, we where here, I can trace my self over 600 years back, etc, and there is no Genetic coloration with Mongols, at all, not an drop, no more than Mexicans, do you get it.

    No offence mate, but this is gibberish. As in “incomprehensible”. And your overview of the archaeogenetic situation is fairly eccentric, and frankly mythic, if I’ve partially deciphered its intended meaning.

    Try again. Do the whole post in whatever language you feel comfortable in, we’ve all got Google Translate, and can work round Google’s madder efforts at translation with a dictionary, a little knowledge of various foreign languages, and some common sense..

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    You (in common with many other UR commenters) seem to have trouble envisaging a society where everyone has a pretty good life and is happy to see it that way.

    I know that there are people with a net worth that requires several noughts to be added to mine to approach them and I am quite unenvious of their ability to call up a private jet to get them to the inauguration on time - or whatever. I shall probably live in good health well beyond the age my ancestors and collaterals reached (though I do hope I have the genes of one remote uncle who lived from 1808 to 1906). I can get by without another bottle of 1928 Chateau Mouton Rothschild hpwever much I might like to impress a new in-law. And I detect a great deal of satisfaction with life in people much less well off than I am.

    Why are people so unhappy in America or am I getting the wrong idea from UR?

    Personally I look forward to the day when Australia's say 7 per cent from or descended from immigrants from the subcontinent (well India and Sri Lanka anyway) and 8 per cent from China and diaspora are contributing so much to GDP that they support the lower taxing lower welfare handouts parties to my considerable benefit.

    Why are people so unhappy in America or am I getting the wrong idea from UR?

    Happiness or UNhappiness is not a function of absolute position, but of relative position and trend, both of which are declining in the US.

    It is, therefore, especially painful to people to observe their own position getting worse while that of a small minority improves.

    This is the nature of the beast.

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    Psychologically true I think. As one who has been advocating global free trade forever (starting from when Australia was all round protectionist) I don't see Americans problems as resulting from glibalization so much as the bad choices that have caused governments from 1989/90 (end of Cold War) to waste trillions of dollars on military ventures and their follow ups (including care of veterans) and by missing the chance to make allies instead of enemies out of Russia and China. (Is it fantasy to suppose that some American statesman might have had the imagination to treat China with great respect and invite it to share the burdens in Afghanistan with the prospect, not only of being treated earlier as the heavyweight in international affairs that it was going to become eventually, but as a front ruñner for developing Afghanistan's mineral wealth?).
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  • @Anonymous

    Now, I do understand that all the racialist ethno-nationalists would prefer for there to be zero Somalis in Finland. But, let’s a grip here.
     
    Lets. Average Somalian IQ is 68 which puts most of their population in a literally retarded category. Meanwhile, Finland scores 99.

    You do realise that IQ is hereditary, no? You do understand that they have nothing to do (besides rape and welfare incubation) in the age of automation in Finland, no?

    Average Somalian IQ is 68

    Dude, I assume that that figure is from testing done in Somalia and reflects conditions in Somalia. I am not an expert in these issues, but it strikes me as quite unlikely that the average IQ of Somali ethnics in Finland is 68. For starters, the origin of the Somali community there is that there were Somali university students in the Soviet Union, or ex-Soviet Union, who crossed into Finland. It is rather unlikely that the Somalis studying in a Russian university are all that stupid, since, for starters, they would have had to master Russian at a university studies level, and Russian is quite a difficult language.

    I also doubt that the Somali ethnics born in Finland who went through the Finnish school system score at a mean of 68. I don’t know what their average IQ is, mind you, but I also am quite confident that neither you nor any of the other dumbasses here know what it is either.

    BUT… regardless, the real point is that there are only 17,000 Somalis in all of Finland. That’s one Somali for every 300 ethnic Finns. Even if their average IQ really was 68, which I doubt frankly, it would not affect the mean IQ in Finland significantly, for the very simple reason that there are hardly any of them! Given the numbers, even if the average Somali had an IQ of 28, it wouldn’t affect the average IQ in Finland very much.

    Go look it the numbers. Finland is simply NOT full of Somalis. Finland is not being flooded with Somalis or any other type of Muslim or Arab. There are apparently something like 50,000 Muslims in Finland total. That’s it.

    This article is a complete bullshit fraud, for example telling us that there were 32,000 asylum seekers who entered Finland in 2015, and then not mentioning any other year. And the author is surely some zionist disinfo agent who is posing as a Finn. And there are Finns here who are calling this out as bullshit.

    Generally speaking, though, you guys here are such a bunch of pathetic dumbasses, with this desperate need to be duped by disinfo, like Finland is being deluged with Muslims. And it gets really cringeworthy when such idiots start all this stuff about IQ and the rest of the pseudo-scientific BS. Well, okay, it is understandable that you are obsessed with IQ. People tend to be obsessed with that which they do not possess. But you guys seemingly are incapable of doing the most minimal fact-checking and seeing that there are hardly any Muslims in Finland and the article is therefore just bullshit. And then when somebody (me in this case) tells you that this is just bullshit, you get all bothered and start with all the insults and other nonsense.

    When I discovered this Unz Review site a few years ago, I was quite positive about it. I remember sending links to friends and so forth. A year or so after that, I was quite proud to have articles published here, but now I have real misgivings. The place has become such a cesspool. My God, all the assorted morons and assholes here, it’s become masochistic for anybody with a minimum of good taste and intelligence to hang out here.

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  • Quote: “Finland at 100—Frozen by Fear, Dragged to a Multicultural Grave”

    Nahh.. They got contaminated by the Swedish plague,A.K.A “Political Correctness”….
    The only cure is an ounce of nickel coated lead for those who are spreading that plague ??

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  • @Lars Porsena
    So why is it called the Soldiers of Odin? I've wondered about that. Soldiers of a norse/germanic pagan god, written in English, for a Finish nationalist group?

    I must say though you guys produce the best heavy metal in the whole world.

    Lasse, let’s not get all wild and all, tonight. We both know the Odin stuff is not our culture.

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  • Latest news from Rome. Over New Year’s a Somalian got hold of a set of hospital scrubs. He went to St Eugenio Hospital’s maternity ward. He entered a labor room. While masturbating he attacked a woman labor.

    She screamed, staff arrived and he was arrested. At least it’s Italy not Germany or Sweden where no charges would be brought because of the animals sex needs.

    In other news, a Syrian invader in Germany raped a pony.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    I believe you are a sex offender aka violent rapist on a prison computer. Your hysterical defense of rape and claims it is not being committed leads me to believe that.

    Was your defense "she wanted it"
    , @Alden
    Here is the story. I look forward to your defense of the somalian animal on the grounds that as a muslim he has a mandate from Allah to rape every infidel woman he can.





    Italy: Somalian Storms Delivery Room and Attempts to Rape Woman ...

    https://www.defendevropa.org › Migrants › Migrant Crime

    1 day ago - Home / Migrants / Migrant Crime / Italy: Somalian Storms Delivery Room and Attempts to Rape Woman in Labour. ... An unreal situation in the Italian capital Rome, according to Libero; a Somalian man managed to get past the security of Sant’Eugenio Hospital and stormed a delivering ...

    ITALY: Somali Muslim Invader Breaks Into Hospital's Maternity Ward ...
    www.silvanuspublishing.com/italy/somali-muslim-invader-attempts-rape-women-labor/

    23 hours ago - Scandal in a hospital in Rome where a Somali , after overcoming every kind of control, entered the delivery room and tried to rape a woman in full labor . The protagonist of the story is a 38-year-old Somali citizen who stole the green nursing uniform from a warehouse at the Sant'Eugenio hospital in Rome ...


    Somali Immigrant Arrested After Trying to Rape Woman in Labor in ...

    www.thegatewaypundit.com/.../somali-immigrant-arrested-trying-rape-woman-labor-...



    37 mins ago - A Somali migrant was arrested after disguising himself as a nurse and attempting to rape a woman in labor at the Sant'Eugenio Hospital in Rome. Ali Abdella reportedly entered the delivery room when labor had already begun and started talking to the patient. He then touched it on his left thigh and started ...

    In what wasn't even the first occurance of this Somali migrant barges ...

    rebrn.com/.../in-what-wasnt-even-the-first-occurance-of-this-somali-migrant-ba-3909...

    21 hours ago - Saint Eugene Hospital. Somalian immigrant enters birthing hall (literal translation, the English equivalent is maternity ward) and attempts to rape woman in labor. A scandal in a hospital in Rome where a Somalian, after overcoming every kind of control, entered the birthing hall where he attempted to violate ...
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    While masturbating he attacked a woman labor.
     
    You mean he attacked a woman IN labor while masturbating? Do you have a link?

    Are there are any visuals of this? I honestly cannot visualize this. He attacked a woman WHILE masturbating.... So he had a weapon in one hand and another weapon in the other hand, eh?

    In other news, a Syrian invader in Germany raped a pony.
     

    Well, what to do? I guess the dude is "hung like a horse", eh?

    Oh, and I guess there aren't any pix of this either, eh? Just as well, I suppose....

    Seriously, though, I can't even tell whether this is a joke or whether you believe these stories. What is the point of this? You surely can't think you can advance any cause by repeating this kind of nonsense, can you? Anybody normal just figures that anybody who repeats this stuff must be touched in the head.

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    Both mistakes a native-Finn would never make.
     
    A strange aspect of this article and all the discussion under it is that nobody seems to be clear on how many Muslims are currently living in Finland. I did my best to look it up and arrived at the conclusion that there are really very few Muslims in Finland.

    Wikipedia says about 50,000. I saw some other estimates, none of which are more than 100,000. Meanwhile, I live in Catalonia, which apparently has more like 500,000 Muslims. There may be certain problems with people getting along, but it's not that major really. It just isn't. This kind of article seems like something put out by the Gatestone Institute type people, the same folks who claim that Sweden is the rape capital of the world and things like this.

    Do all the people reading this think that Finland is full of Muslims? Do Finns believe that? Okay, there maybe certain neighborhoods where there is a high concentration of Muslims, but overall, there are really just not that many Muslims in Finland, as far as I can tell, unless all these information sources are really off by a factor of 10 or something.

    The article is not so much about how many Muslims are in Finland but what they are doing.
    They are committing rapes in a country that almost no rapes until the Muslims arrived.

    The article is also about rapes by black Africans. Many of them are not Muslims

    Muslims justify locking up their women, not allowing women out in public, and covering them in yards and yards of black fabric, even wearing gloves and knee socks so not an inch of skin shows by the fact that Muslim men can not control their sex urged, even on public buses and subways.

    What kind of men are Muslims that they attack women on public buses full of passengers? What kind of cowards and physical weaklings are Muslims that it takes 3 or 4 of them to rape a 12 year old?

    And what’s with covering the hair because the sight of women’s hair drives Muslim men mad with uncontrollable lust?

    Is it some kind of insane hair fetish? I can see admiring and preferring different colors and styles of hair, but uncontrollable lust leading to rape at the sight of a wonen’s Hair?

    That’s beyond insane.

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    Remember that it's not all moslems who are doing this in Finland or any place but specially when we have psychotrashic hardware combined with retarded schizotrashic ...

    ''religuion''... software ... made by that (((ridiculous ones)))
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  • @Malla
    https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=259883

    All these miss contests are rubbish with the chosen being involved closely. The Chosen have been found out involved in the half Japanese woman winning Miss Japan over more attractive Japanese women fiasco. The chosen involved in this case was a woman named Inès Ligron. Her Wikipedia article does not say she is Jewish, but on her personal blog you can read about her son’s bar mitzvah. She was/is the national director of Miss Japan.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/Images/popup/2015/3/ariana4.jpg


    http://missosology.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ines.jpg
    The director from the chosen tribe

    That part black Miss Japan is pretty. Maybe she wasn’t as pretty in some people’s opinion as the other contestants. But she is pretty enough to be a reasonable Miss Japan. She was what I call a qualified affirmative action selection.

    But that Miss Finland: I could go to any high school or college in America that had only 10 percent blacks and find dozens of average looking black girls much better looking than Miss Finland

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  • @Avery
    {A grassroots self-defense model that women of the European Union need to adopt, ASAP.}

    Nonsense.

    India's women have to resort to that, because they are being abused and gang-raped by their own Indian men, unlike in Europe.

    All Europe has to do is allow their native men to go to work on the 'rapefugees'.
    But the State will prosecute any EU man who comes to the defense of their women.
    The rapists will learn to behave very quickly, if the State gets out of the way.

    One way or another the people need to get serious, now.

    In my opinion, as for the “state” (i.e. globalists), a multicultural meltdown is an integral part of their NWO blueprint.

    “Ordo Ab Chao!”

    The “state” will remain a malignant obstacle, unless the people begin dismantling it rapidly with surgical precision from the top-down, corrupt-politician by corrupt-politician.

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  • @wayfarer
    A grassroots self-defense model that women of the European Union need to adopt, ASAP.

    Gulabi Gang (from Hindi गुलाबी gulabī, "pink") is a group of Indian women activists. The group first appeared in Bundelkhand, Uttar Pradesh, as a response to widespread domestic abuse and other violence against women.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulabi_Gang
     
    Pink Gang Rebellion
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj2UM8132-k

    {A grassroots self-defense model that women of the European Union need to adopt, ASAP.}

    Nonsense.

    India’s women have to resort to that, because they are being abused and gang-raped by their own Indian men, unlike in Europe.

    All Europe has to do is allow their native men to go to work on the ‘rapefugees’.
    But the State will prosecute any EU man who comes to the defense of their women.
    The rapists will learn to behave very quickly, if the State gets out of the way.

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    One way or another the people need to get serious, now.

    In my opinion, as for the "state" (i.e. globalists), a multicultural meltdown is an integral part of their NWO blueprint.

    "Ordo Ab Chao!"

    The "state" will remain a malignant obstacle, unless the people begin dismantling it rapidly with surgical precision from the top-down, corrupt-politician by corrupt-politician.

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  • @Authenticjazzman
    " Why don't you man up"

    HA HA HA HA HA

    listen guy, as young man I was " manning up" and jumping out of airplanes together with sixty pounds of gear , and then for the last fifty years I have been going onto a bandstand, "manning up" and coming forth with endless musical creation, something you would not never understand.

    "Retract your statement" : never as I fricking know that you are BC/HRC lackey, period.

    You tell me to man up, someone who does not not what the action of "manning up" even encompasses. You are totally full of shit, and you turn my stomach.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army Vet, and pro Jazz musician.

    “Retract your statement” : never as I fricking know that you are BC/HRC lackey, period.

    Oh really? How do you know that?

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  • @Alden
    Do you know where the arteries are? In a street fight situation try to slice horizontally across the thigh and get the femur artery. It would probably be the easiest to get to and thighs are pretty big.

    In America rapists know it’s wrong so at least they don’t do it in public as some Muslims do.

    A grassroots self-defense model that women of the European Union need to adopt, ASAP.

    Gulabi Gang (from Hindi गुलाबी gulabī, “pink”) is a group of Indian women activists. The group first appeared in Bundelkhand, Uttar Pradesh, as a response to widespread domestic abuse and other violence against women.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulabi_Gang

    Pink Gang Rebellion

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    {A grassroots self-defense model that women of the European Union need to adopt, ASAP.}

    Nonsense.

    India's women have to resort to that, because they are being abused and gang-raped by their own Indian men, unlike in Europe.

    All Europe has to do is allow their native men to go to work on the 'rapefugees'.
    But the State will prosecute any EU man who comes to the defense of their women.
    The rapists will learn to behave very quickly, if the State gets out of the way.

    , @Alden
    Indian woman are allowed to demonstrate against rape.

    European women are not. Were European women to organize a protest against rape, they would be arrested and charged with hate crime.

    That's what happened to the Rotherham, Oxford rape victims in those towns and other towns in England where muslim animals raped hundreds of 11 to 16 year old girls. In one case, the animals took the girl to a hotel. She was 12. He screams annoyed the other tenants who called the police.

    She was arrested for disturbing the peace and 14 animals were allowed to leave. It happened again and again. When parents went to police to report animals raping their daughters, they were threatened with being charged with wasting police time.
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  • https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/898023/poland-hungary-eu-migrant-quota-viktor-orban-ecj-commission-czech-republic

    the (((folks))) at the (((EU))) are concerned about the people of Poland and Poland’s future

    they know that Poland’s strength is her diversity

    and with out that diversity, Poland won’t survive

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  • https://www.rt.com/news/414608-malmo-gang-rape-police/

    only racist and Nazis complain of Muslim in Sweden

    there aren’t too many of them

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  • http://pasadena.com/news-view/1/19729/germany-child-migrant-stabs-15-year-old-girl-to-death-in-drug-store

    there isn’t very many migrants in Germany

    only racists and Nazis are worried about it

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  • https://www.citizenfreepress.com/column-1/france-outraged-after-migrants-viciously-beat-officers/

    France today

    there really isn’t a large percentage of migrants in France

    if you look at the raw numbers and such, you’ll see that France is still majority ethnic French, so I don’t know what all the hubbub is all about

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    he will tell you straight to Your face that HC was the most ethical, honest, unsullied candate for US Pres, in US history.
     
    You should stop making up bullshit. You're really just lying now.

    Hey, why don't you man up? Provide a link where I said anything positive whatsoever about Hillary Clinton. Or retract your statement.

    ” Why don’t you man up”

    HA HA HA HA HA

    listen guy, as young man I was ” manning up” and jumping out of airplanes together with sixty pounds of gear , and then for the last fifty years I have been going onto a bandstand, “manning up” and coming forth with endless musical creation, something you would not never understand.

    “Retract your statement” : never as I fricking know that you are BC/HRC lackey, period.

    You tell me to man up, someone who does not not what the action of “manning up” even encompasses. You are totally full of shit, and you turn my stomach.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army Vet, and pro Jazz musician.

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    “Retract your statement” : never as I fricking know that you are BC/HRC lackey, period.
     
    Oh really? How do you know that?
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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    he will tell you straight to Your face that HC was the most ethical, honest, unsullied candate for US Pres, in US history.
     
    You should stop making up bullshit. You're really just lying now.

    Hey, why don't you man up? Provide a link where I said anything positive whatsoever about Hillary Clinton. Or retract your statement.

    Quit the shoot and cry routine, Revusky. I have no idea what your opinion is about HRC, but you have no problem with defining the opinions of others for them, or with calling names. Nobody owes you an apology for anything.

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  • @Authenticjazzman
    Look no amount of factual information will have any effect JR's thinking or his viewpoints, and responding to him is a hopeless exercise in futility and waste of energy.

    He is a hard-core deranged leftist and he will tell you straight to Your face that HC was the most ethical, honest, unsullied candate for US Pres, in US history.

    Give it up.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

    he will tell you straight to Your face that HC was the most ethical, honest, unsullied candate for US Pres, in US history.

    You should stop making up bullshit. You’re really just lying now.

    Hey, why don’t you man up? Provide a link where I said anything positive whatsoever about Hillary Clinton. Or retract your statement.

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    Quit the shoot and cry routine, Revusky. I have no idea what your opinion is about HRC, but you have no problem with defining the opinions of others for them, or with calling names. Nobody owes you an apology for anything.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " Why don't you man up"

    HA HA HA HA HA

    listen guy, as young man I was " manning up" and jumping out of airplanes together with sixty pounds of gear , and then for the last fifty years I have been going onto a bandstand, "manning up" and coming forth with endless musical creation, something you would not never understand.

    "Retract your statement" : never as I fricking know that you are BC/HRC lackey, period.

    You tell me to man up, someone who does not not what the action of "manning up" even encompasses. You are totally full of shit, and you turn my stomach.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army Vet, and pro Jazz musician.

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  • @Anonymous

    Now, I do understand that all the racialist ethno-nationalists would prefer for there to be zero Somalis in Finland. But, let’s a grip here.
     
    Lets. Average Somalian IQ is 68 which puts most of their population in a literally retarded category. Meanwhile, Finland scores 99.

    You do realise that IQ is hereditary, no? You do understand that they have nothing to do (besides rape and welfare incubation) in the age of automation in Finland, no?

    Vocabulary and arythmetic notions are not literally hereditary, they are both hereditary and cultural because it’s needed the early exposition of individual to learn/internalize them.

    We are born with instinctive modes which are specialized to given skills for example communication or ability to calculate probabilities and quantities. This instinctive modes are symbolized with words and numbers we internalizing during our first life decade. IQ analysed our instinctive/inborn skills already embobied with this symbols internalized and how we are good, in quantity and [superficially speaking] in quality, to retrieve and deal with them and in non-contextualized [without heuristics or factual understanding] ways or strictly technical ways.

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  • @OilcanFloyd
    According to this article, the population increased by 23,020 in 2014, with some 17,000 being immigrants. Ethnic Finns had roughly 5500 children that year, and immigration has been at least at half that level for several decades, and often much higher. You tell me what the end result will be if changes aren't made soon.

    http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/13219-immigration-accounts-for-76-ofpopulation-growth-in-finland.html

    My point wasn't even about Finns being replaced. My point was that starting out with figures from 2009 made no sense, since the immigration problem started in the 1990s.

    As far as actual numbers go, I don't even have to know specific numbers to know that the number of immigrants has increased drastically, since I've seen it with my own eyes, and hear it from Finns that I know, a few of whom actually support immigration.

    No matter what the actual number is, they immigrants bring a level of crime and dysfunction that wasn't present before their arrival, and that does include violent sex crimes.

    Look no amount of factual information will have any effect JR’s thinking or his viewpoints, and responding to him is a hopeless exercise in futility and waste of energy.

    He is a hard-core deranged leftist and he will tell you straight to Your face that HC was the most ethical, honest, unsullied candate for US Pres, in US history.

    Give it up.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

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    he will tell you straight to Your face that HC was the most ethical, honest, unsullied candate for US Pres, in US history.
     
    You should stop making up bullshit. You're really just lying now.

    Hey, why don't you man up? Provide a link where I said anything positive whatsoever about Hillary Clinton. Or retract your statement.
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  • @Anonymous

    Miss Helsinki FUBAR
     
    Who can forget that day. The Internet itself broke for a couple of days and the emperor's nakedness was difficult to ignore:

    https://i.imgtc.com/MtgmgLO.jpg

    https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=259883

    All these miss contests are rubbish with the chosen being involved closely. The Chosen have been found out involved in the half Japanese woman winning Miss Japan over more attractive Japanese women fiasco. The chosen involved in this case was a woman named Inès Ligron. Her Wikipedia article does not say she is Jewish, but on her personal blog you can read about her son’s bar mitzvah. She was/is the national director of Miss Japan.

    The director from the chosen tribe

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    That part black Miss Japan is pretty. Maybe she wasn’t as pretty in some people’s opinion as the other contestants. But she is pretty enough to be a reasonable Miss Japan. She was what I call a qualified affirmative action selection.

    But that Miss Finland: I could go to any high school or college in America that had only 10 percent blacks and find dozens of average looking black girls much better looking than Miss Finland
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  • @wayfarer
    I was raised by a child beating woman raping genuine serial killer. He left me with a haunted mind, for life.

    I have zero respect for any human being who feels they're justified to infringe on another human being's free will. Especially, through acts of direct violent assault.

    I actually have an extraordinarily high level of empathy, primarily for animals, but there's an unseen threshold within me that is quite unsympathetic.


    Speaking of penetration, Muslims in India, Muslim countries and Europe delight in digital penetration especially on public transit. It’s almost always 3 or 4 attacking the woman. That’s because Muslims need the gang to ramp up their courage and enough big brave macho men to hold the victim still and fight off anyone who wants to intervene.
     
    This is one reason why I carry a concealed knife, that's designed for maximum cleaving power. The day I cross the path of a man or group of men raping a woman, is the day I sever arteries.

    I know this sounds crude, but it's so often a merciless world and frequently at the expense of innocent victims.

    Many victims can remain traumatized, for a lifetime.

    I appreciate your taking the time to speak out regarding this dark cultural epidemic, of Muslim gang rapes.

    Do you know where the arteries are? In a street fight situation try to slice horizontally across the thigh and get the femur artery. It would probably be the easiest to get to and thighs are pretty big.

    In America rapists know it’s wrong so at least they don’t do it in public as some Muslims do.

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    A grassroots self-defense model that women of the European Union need to adopt, ASAP.

    Gulabi Gang (from Hindi गुलाबी gulabī, "pink") is a group of Indian women activists. The group first appeared in Bundelkhand, Uttar Pradesh, as a response to widespread domestic abuse and other violence against women.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulabi_Gang
     
    Pink Gang Rebellion
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj2UM8132-k
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  • @Che Guava
    In Decline and Fall, even Gibbon mentions (but discounts) a then (18th century) still-current ancient source stating that Islam was a Jewish creation.

    Unfortunately, he is only to saying it in passing, and is not citing the source. Would guess that it no longer exists.

    Appreciating info. at the links you were posting, some, of course, from Gibbon, so read before, but the pattern drawn is mainly novel to me.

    New Year in Tokyo is a bar and temple visit or all-night rock show, or nothing, feel like the last, snow country tomorrow, so thank you for interesting bed-time reading.

    You may find these interesting too. The video does not mention the chosen but does question the existence of Prophet Mohamed.

    http://www.revilo-oliver.com/news/2010/09/the-descent-of-islam/

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  • @AaronB
    As I said, my purpose isn't to bash Western civilization or come up with a scorecard, but to see why modern Westerners are so vulnurable to moral attack.

    I'm very familiar with your theory - whites are uniquely altruistic and Jews exploited this to create a crushing sense of guilt that has no basis in objective fact.

    I don't just find this historically illiterate, but culturally illitetate. Perhaps no civilization before us so fully documented it's own decline through literature. We posses a perfect timeline of decline. Jews arrived in time to exploit a self-inflicted wound.

    If you wish to ignore all this that is your affair, but you might wish to consider that your theory leaves no hope for Western survival.

    No, we can have both science and industry, but these amoral systems cannot be the main way we view the world.

    We must resurrect a moral tradition and a moral way of looking at the world. Then, science and industry can be tools and not masters as they are now.

    I actually looked into Abu Mirza when you mentioned him on another thread, it's fascinating.

    Of course Britain was not so far gone back then - the trend towards amoral systems culminated in the early 20th century. Britain still had a strong moral basis back then derived from its earlier traditions - but it was on track to lose them.

    In fact, the British Empire never could have survived so long if it did not justify itself morally, even if it was mainly a predatory enterprise. The "white man's burden" was an attempt to provide a moral basis for what was basically an act of robbery.

    This should tell us something about the overriding importance of feeling morally justified, and how our modern amoral systems impoverish us and leave us vulnerable.

    "Something went wrong" - so while Christianity was ascendant, the West felt it's civilization was worth defending - but it must be Christianity that is somehow to blame. Not these modern amoral systems whose advance through our society coincided with the loss of the will to defend it. Oh no.

    This argument could go on for a very long time, with detail piling up on detail, but if we step back a very striking picture emerges.

    The battle is clearly fought on the moral level, Jews attack on the moral level, and whites feel paralyzed and unable to defend themselves on the moral level - the striking thing is that all major modern Western cultural systems are amoral and make no attempt to ground Western life in morality.

    If you don't wish to connect the dots, that is your right.

    Hmmmm…. well I see your point. I misunderstood what you were trying to convey earlier. Thanks for making things clear.

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  • @Anonymous

    Miss Helsinki FUBAR
     
    Who can forget that day. The Internet itself broke for a couple of days and the emperor's nakedness was difficult to ignore:

    https://i.imgtc.com/MtgmgLO.jpg

    She’s really ugly compared to the average black woman.

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  • @Anonymous

    Now, I do understand that all the racialist ethno-nationalists would prefer for there to be zero Somalis in Finland. But, let’s a grip here.
     
    Lets. Average Somalian IQ is 68 which puts most of their population in a literally retarded category. Meanwhile, Finland scores 99.

    You do realise that IQ is hereditary, no? You do understand that they have nothing to do (besides rape and welfare incubation) in the age of automation in Finland, no?

    Remember that means that a large number of Somalians have IQs way below 68.

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  • @Avery
    {.....they’re now illegal in the “United States of America.”}

    Past couple of months we had horrible wild fires in Southern California.
    No rain and hot winds for weeks
    10s of 1,000s of houses were burnt down to ashes.
    People were killed.

    At least a couple of the wild fires were started by homeless people who build open fires in their camps to cook or for heat at night.
    Another homeless encampment in Orange County (CA) that was cleared was found to have about a 1,000 stolen bicycles.

    Aside from that, do you ever wonder where these people go to the bathroom?
    Yep, right there where they live.
    There was a huge Hepatitis A epidemic recently in So Cal within the homeless population.
    It is a deadly disease and is contagious. About 600 were infected and about 20 died because of Hep A.

    So these homeless 'communities' are not benign at all, and are a source of all sorts of problems that are left to fester . Some are mentally ill, and some have fallen on hard times, but most homeless like that lifestyle.

    I’m sure you’ e Noticed that the homeless are all Americans while the projects, section 8 and even senior citizen housing is filled with immigrants many of whom are illegal.

    Even the viciously anti American White pro illegal immigrant pro sanctuary city Los Angeles Times admits that a full 67 percent of public housing in the city of Los Angeles is occupied by ILLEGAL immigrants.

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  • @German_reader

    day-care centers have now dropped prayer before meals
     
    Is that a bad thing? I suppose the Lutheran church is 100% behind the mass immigration, so they're part of the problem.
    Sounds just like Germany...depressing as hell.

    The next step is to ban all pork at school
    meal. Next require only halal meat be served.

    Along with that ban all Christian European holiday foods at school meals. For instance English state schools can no longer serve hot cross buns around Easter or gingerbread cookies and mince pie around Christmas.

    Then require segregated by sex classrooms and activities for Muslim girls.

    All these things have happened in the UK since 1980. It only took about 25 years. Of course the Marxist English school authorities wanted to abolish all the English foods and holidays as much or more than the Muslims did.

    The French resisted this kind of this thing but only because of their 220 year old tradition of anti clericalism.

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    If you are starting with 2009, you are missing much of the picture.
     
    Look, I made a very simple point, even simple enough for a dumbshit like you to understand. So I think you're being willfully obtuse. But here's the point again:

    The author of the above article tells us that over 32,000 asylum seekers entered Finland in 2015 alone, and he's clearly implying that this is a typical year. So I pointed out that, in a typical year, Finland has something more like 4,000 or 5,000 people applying for asylum. It's not too hard to look up what the statistics on asylum seekers in Finland is. Their government site gives the data for the last twenty years or so right here:

    http://www.migri.fi/about_us/statistics/statistics_on_asylum_and_refugees

    Here are the numbers of asylum seekers by year:

    1997: 958
    1998: 1,263
    1999: 3,106
    2000: 3,155
    2001: 1,643
    2002: 3,443
    2003: 3,184
    2004: 3,861
    2005: 3,574
    2006: 2,324
    2007: 1,505
    2008: 4,035
    2009: 5,988
    2010: 4,018
    2011: 3,088
    2012: 3,129
    2013: 3,238
    2014: 3,651
    2015: 32,467
    2016: 5,651

    The total number of asylum seekers in that twenty-year period, I add up to be 93,281, a mean of 4,664 asylum seekers per year, even including the anomalous year of 2015, which is the only year the article gives a figure for. Note that this is all countries put together, so it includes people from Ukraine or the Balkans or other places.

    I also noted that the number of asylum applications actually accepted is much lower than this. If you look at, say, 2010, the number of people actually granted asylum was 1,784.

    http://www.migri.fi/download/16783_Decision_on_asylum_2010.pdf

    Again, the figure for 2015 given by the author is completely anomalous and it is not clear how many of the 32,000 people will actually be allowed to stay in Finland in the end.

    But anyway, the grand total of asylum seekers in Finland over the last 20 years is somewhat less than 100,000. Fewer than 5,000 a year. So I do not think that Finland, a country of 5.5 million, is being overrun by refugees.

    Most of the Somalis came to Finland in the 1990s and early 2000s, before 2009.
     
    The Wikipedia page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Finland

    puts the number of Somali speakers in Finland at 17,871. At a different point in the page, it claims that there are 9,618 people residing in Finland who were born in Somalia. I suppose the difference is ethnic Somalis who were born in Finland to Somali parents but speak Somali at home. Some might be the product of mixed marriages and thus, it's not clear exactly how to count, but I conclude that, by whatever reckoning, there are fewer than 20,000 Somalis in Finland.

    Now, I do understand that all the racialist ethno-nationalists would prefer for there to be zero Somalis in Finland. But, let's a grip here. There are, it appears, fewer than 20,000 Somalis in Finland, a country of 5.5 million.

    Well, okay, I suppose that will lower the average IQ of people in Finland noticeably, since it is a well known fact that the average Somali has an IQ of -1000.

    But, regardless, this whole notion that Finland is being overrun by Somalis or any other sort of Muslim or Arab -- it's just bullshit, as far as I can tell. This has practically nothing to do with ideology. It's simply because I went and checked the numbers!

    Showing some of you guys some actual data is probably about like shining sunlight on a vampire!

    According to this article, the population increased by 23,020 in 2014, with some 17,000 being immigrants. Ethnic Finns had roughly 5500 children that year, and immigration has been at least at half that level for several decades, and often much higher. You tell me what the end result will be if changes aren’t made soon.

    http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/13219-immigration-accounts-for-76-ofpopulation-growth-in-finland.html

    My point wasn’t even about Finns being replaced. My point was that starting out with figures from 2009 made no sense, since the immigration problem started in the 1990s.

    As far as actual numbers go, I don’t even have to know specific numbers to know that the number of immigrants has increased drastically, since I’ve seen it with my own eyes, and hear it from Finns that I know, a few of whom actually support immigration.

    No matter what the actual number is, they immigrants bring a level of crime and dysfunction that wasn’t present before their arrival, and that does include violent sex crimes.

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    Look no amount of factual information will have any effect JR's thinking or his viewpoints, and responding to him is a hopeless exercise in futility and waste of energy.

    He is a hard-core deranged leftist and he will tell you straight to Your face that HC was the most ethical, honest, unsullied candate for US Pres, in US history.

    Give it up.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.
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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    If you are starting with 2009, you are missing much of the picture.
     
    Look, I made a very simple point, even simple enough for a dumbshit like you to understand. So I think you're being willfully obtuse. But here's the point again:

    The author of the above article tells us that over 32,000 asylum seekers entered Finland in 2015 alone, and he's clearly implying that this is a typical year. So I pointed out that, in a typical year, Finland has something more like 4,000 or 5,000 people applying for asylum. It's not too hard to look up what the statistics on asylum seekers in Finland is. Their government site gives the data for the last twenty years or so right here:

    http://www.migri.fi/about_us/statistics/statistics_on_asylum_and_refugees

    Here are the numbers of asylum seekers by year:

    1997: 958
    1998: 1,263
    1999: 3,106
    2000: 3,155
    2001: 1,643
    2002: 3,443
    2003: 3,184
    2004: 3,861
    2005: 3,574
    2006: 2,324
    2007: 1,505
    2008: 4,035
    2009: 5,988
    2010: 4,018
    2011: 3,088
    2012: 3,129
    2013: 3,238
    2014: 3,651
    2015: 32,467
    2016: 5,651

    The total number of asylum seekers in that twenty-year period, I add up to be 93,281, a mean of 4,664 asylum seekers per year, even including the anomalous year of 2015, which is the only year the article gives a figure for. Note that this is all countries put together, so it includes people from Ukraine or the Balkans or other places.

    I also noted that the number of asylum applications actually accepted is much lower than this. If you look at, say, 2010, the number of people actually granted asylum was 1,784.

    http://www.migri.fi/download/16783_Decision_on_asylum_2010.pdf

    Again, the figure for 2015 given by the author is completely anomalous and it is not clear how many of the 32,000 people will actually be allowed to stay in Finland in the end.

    But anyway, the grand total of asylum seekers in Finland over the last 20 years is somewhat less than 100,000. Fewer than 5,000 a year. So I do not think that Finland, a country of 5.5 million, is being overrun by refugees.

    Most of the Somalis came to Finland in the 1990s and early 2000s, before 2009.
     
    The Wikipedia page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Finland

    puts the number of Somali speakers in Finland at 17,871. At a different point in the page, it claims that there are 9,618 people residing in Finland who were born in Somalia. I suppose the difference is ethnic Somalis who were born in Finland to Somali parents but speak Somali at home. Some might be the product of mixed marriages and thus, it's not clear exactly how to count, but I conclude that, by whatever reckoning, there are fewer than 20,000 Somalis in Finland.

    Now, I do understand that all the racialist ethno-nationalists would prefer for there to be zero Somalis in Finland. But, let's a grip here. There are, it appears, fewer than 20,000 Somalis in Finland, a country of 5.5 million.

    Well, okay, I suppose that will lower the average IQ of people in Finland noticeably, since it is a well known fact that the average Somali has an IQ of -1000.

    But, regardless, this whole notion that Finland is being overrun by Somalis or any other sort of Muslim or Arab -- it's just bullshit, as far as I can tell. This has practically nothing to do with ideology. It's simply because I went and checked the numbers!

    Showing some of you guys some actual data is probably about like shining sunlight on a vampire!

    There is also this:

    The total fertility rate of women of foreign origin is slightly higher than among Finns. Between 2007 and 2011, this figure was, on average, 2.09 for women with foreign background, while it was 1.84 for women of Finnish origin.

    The average for the total fertility rate is calculated for the example countries of background for the years 2007 to 2011, because yearly variations are large for such small numbers of people. The figure was biggest for women with Somali background, 4.00 children. The figure was 2.08 for women with Thai background, the same as the total figure for women with foreign background. The total fertility rate for women with Russian background, 1.73, was lower than that for women with Finnish background. These figures are similar to the ones earlier calculated on the basis of the mother’s country of birth (Statistics Finland 2012a).

    https://www.stat.fi/tup/vl2010/art_2013-06-04_001_en.html

    There were 322,711 persons with foreign background living in Finland in 2014, which was 5.9 per cent of the entire population. There were 273,306 persons of first generation with foreign background, i.e. born abroad, and 49,405 persons of second generation with foreign background, i.e. born in Finland.

    Examined by continent, 58 per cent of all persons with foreign background were of European background. The share of persons with Asian background was 24 per cent and that of persons with African background was 12 per cent.

    http://www.stat.fi/til/vaerak/2014/01/vaerak_2014_01_2015-12-10_tie_001_en.html

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  • @wayfarer
    Don't forget homeless communities.

    Wait, scratch that, they're now illegal in the “United States of America.”

    100 American cities have effectively criminalized everyday life for the homeless, making crimes of things from sleeping outside to brushing teeth in public. Even as cities become more socially conscious about LGBTQ rights and drug policies, they’ve become less tolerant of their neediest inhabitants and more comfortable with cops and the justice system sweeping up the “human trash.”

    HOUSING NOT HANDCUFFS:
    Ending the Criminalization of Homelessness in U.S. Cities

    source: https://www.nlchp.org/documents/Housing-Not-Handcuffs
     
    “Forced into Breaking the Law”
    Criminalization of Homelessness in America

    https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/homeless-man-goes-wireless.jpg

    {…..they’re now illegal in the “United States of America.”}

    Past couple of months we had horrible wild fires in Southern California.
    No rain and hot winds for weeks
    10s of 1,000s of houses were burnt down to ashes.
    People were killed.

    At least a couple of the wild fires were started by homeless people who build open fires in their camps to cook or for heat at night.
    Another homeless encampment in Orange County (CA) that was cleared was found to have about a 1,000 stolen bicycles.

    Aside from that, do you ever wonder where these people go to the bathroom?
    Yep, right there where they live.
    There was a huge Hepatitis A epidemic recently in So Cal within the homeless population.
    It is a deadly disease and is contagious. About 600 were infected and about 20 died because of Hep A.

    So these homeless ‘communities’ are not benign at all, and are a source of all sorts of problems that are left to fester . Some are mentally ill, and some have fallen on hard times, but most homeless like that lifestyle.

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    I’m sure you’ e Noticed that the homeless are all Americans while the projects, section 8 and even senior citizen housing is filled with immigrants many of whom are illegal.

    Even the viciously anti American White pro illegal immigrant pro sanctuary city Los Angeles Times admits that a full 67 percent of public housing in the city of Los Angeles is occupied by ILLEGAL immigrants.
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  • @wayfarer
    Don't forget homeless communities.

    Wait, scratch that, they're now illegal in the “United States of America.”

    100 American cities have effectively criminalized everyday life for the homeless, making crimes of things from sleeping outside to brushing teeth in public. Even as cities become more socially conscious about LGBTQ rights and drug policies, they’ve become less tolerant of their neediest inhabitants and more comfortable with cops and the justice system sweeping up the “human trash.”

    HOUSING NOT HANDCUFFS:
    Ending the Criminalization of Homelessness in U.S. Cities

    source: https://www.nlchp.org/documents/Housing-Not-Handcuffs
     
    “Forced into Breaking the Law”
    Criminalization of Homelessness in America

    https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/homeless-man-goes-wireless.jpg

    Nothing new. Vagrancy laws were once common and strictly enforced in most states of the Union, particularly in the South. Anyone caught loitering on the street, with no obvious means of support spent the night in jail, followed by being escorted outside the city limits the next morning.

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  • @Authenticjazzman
    Your style of writing is horrid. Do you not know what a " paragraph" is? Are you not aware of the concept of "phrasing" such as in music, meaning : "let it breathe" : pausing and allowing the statements to be comprehended as SEPARATE utterances.
    You run everything together and then your reader is confronted with the problem of separating and
    indentifying the subjects by theme.
    And as far as myself is concerned : It is simply too laboring to fight my through such an abberation of communication, and I give up after one or two lines of your blatherings.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.

    My apologies. In case I ever find that you have said something interesting to me, albeit of no world shattering importance, I shall refrain from acknowledging that with a quick and friendly errant finger on the phone in case there is ever an occasion when i think my time might be well spent composing something likely to be approved by a self certified Mensa member.

    In the meantime I confirm that I have a cheerful careless wave to Joe Stalin.

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  • It all started with the false-flag of 9/11, which to this day remains unchallenged

    I don’t know if it all started with that act Carroll, but I do know the day the real perps of 9/11 are held to account, is the day the Western world will free itself of the $hackels that doom it.

    if the American people ever know who was really responsible, there will be hell to pay.

    Larry Silverstein won’t find a rock big enough to hide under, even it he emigrates to Israel

    our leaders may be infinitely venal and completely corrupt, but not the average Janes and Joes

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  • @Iberiano
    "Overdoing it" ??? Not ONE so-called "refuge" has any right to be in any European nation, nor the US, Australia, NZ or Canada. Europeans and their decedents and cousins around the world "owe" zero to any of the blacks and browns. Whatever crises is or has been in those black and brown nations, that is THEIR problem and Whites have no obligation to do anything, even if those blacks and browns are killing each other, or eating each other.

    This whole mindset that X Amount is too much, and "sure, we can let Y amount in, as long as it is less than X".

    No. Not one. No one has a right to be in these countries except for the indigenous people, and other WHITE Guests that they permit. No one should give one inch on this matter, because it always leads to what we are seeing around the White World.

    That’s not entirely true. The US (on Israel’s orders) has, within the past 15 years, destroyed 6 middle eastern countries, and currently in the process of destabilizing four North African nations. The refugees flooding and destroying white Europe was planned.

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  • @Greg Bacon
    With so many European countries facing the same problem, if one was a conspiracy theorist, one would think there is a dedicated group of people that hate White people so much they are wiping them off the face of the Earth, using weaponized migration to do the foul deed.

    It all started with the false-flag of 9/11, which to this day remains unchallenged. Any group of people having the political power to pull-off a stunt of that magnitude, can easily accomplish diluting the white race out of existence.

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    If you are starting with 2009, you are missing much of the picture.
     
    Look, I made a very simple point, even simple enough for a dumbshit like you to understand. So I think you're being willfully obtuse. But here's the point again:

    The author of the above article tells us that over 32,000 asylum seekers entered Finland in 2015 alone, and he's clearly implying that this is a typical year. So I pointed out that, in a typical year, Finland has something more like 4,000 or 5,000 people applying for asylum. It's not too hard to look up what the statistics on asylum seekers in Finland is. Their government site gives the data for the last twenty years or so right here:

    http://www.migri.fi/about_us/statistics/statistics_on_asylum_and_refugees

    Here are the numbers of asylum seekers by year:

    1997: 958
    1998: 1,263
    1999: 3,106
    2000: 3,155
    2001: 1,643
    2002: 3,443
    2003: 3,184
    2004: 3,861
    2005: 3,574
    2006: 2,324
    2007: 1,505
    2008: 4,035
    2009: 5,988
    2010: 4,018
    2011: 3,088
    2012: 3,129
    2013: 3,238
    2014: 3,651
    2015: 32,467
    2016: 5,651

    The total number of asylum seekers in that twenty-year period, I add up to be 93,281, a mean of 4,664 asylum seekers per year, even including the anomalous year of 2015, which is the only year the article gives a figure for. Note that this is all countries put together, so it includes people from Ukraine or the Balkans or other places.

    I also noted that the number of asylum applications actually accepted is much lower than this. If you look at, say, 2010, the number of people actually granted asylum was 1,784.

    http://www.migri.fi/download/16783_Decision_on_asylum_2010.pdf

    Again, the figure for 2015 given by the author is completely anomalous and it is not clear how many of the 32,000 people will actually be allowed to stay in Finland in the end.

    But anyway, the grand total of asylum seekers in Finland over the last 20 years is somewhat less than 100,000. Fewer than 5,000 a year. So I do not think that Finland, a country of 5.5 million, is being overrun by refugees.

    Most of the Somalis came to Finland in the 1990s and early 2000s, before 2009.
     
    The Wikipedia page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Finland

    puts the number of Somali speakers in Finland at 17,871. At a different point in the page, it claims that there are 9,618 people residing in Finland who were born in Somalia. I suppose the difference is ethnic Somalis who were born in Finland to Somali parents but speak Somali at home. Some might be the product of mixed marriages and thus, it's not clear exactly how to count, but I conclude that, by whatever reckoning, there are fewer than 20,000 Somalis in Finland.

    Now, I do understand that all the racialist ethno-nationalists would prefer for there to be zero Somalis in Finland. But, let's a grip here. There are, it appears, fewer than 20,000 Somalis in Finland, a country of 5.5 million.

    Well, okay, I suppose that will lower the average IQ of people in Finland noticeably, since it is a well known fact that the average Somali has an IQ of -1000.

    But, regardless, this whole notion that Finland is being overrun by Somalis or any other sort of Muslim or Arab -- it's just bullshit, as far as I can tell. This has practically nothing to do with ideology. It's simply because I went and checked the numbers!

    Showing some of you guys some actual data is probably about like shining sunlight on a vampire!

    You also have to consider “family reunification” in your numbers:

    Organisations: Income limits for family reunification must be abandoned

    The office of Amnesty International in Finland, the Finnish Red Cross, the Finnish Refugee Council, the Finnish Refugee Advice Centre, Finn Church Aid, Save the Children Finland, the Federation of Mother and Child Homes and Shelters, and the Finnish Somali League have criticised measures which would make it more difficult to reunite families.
    https://www.redcross.fi/news/20160222/organisations-income-limits-family-reunification-must-be-abandoned

    The following data is from the U.S., but I’d imagine that the situation in Europe is similar:

    Family reunification is the largest of four major avenues through which individuals qualify for admission and “lawful permanent residence” in the U.S..

    Source: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/family-reunification

    Recent data from Denmark:

    Like most other Western European countries, Denmark has introduced a number of restrictions on immigration since the late 1990s.

    Yet, as can be seen from the figure below, there were more people arriving by family reunification than by successfully obtaining refugee status in every year from 2011-2016.

    Moreover, applications for refugee status and for family reunification follow each other closely. In fact, applications for refugee status correlate with applications for family reunification at 0.97 over the years in question, while numbers of accepted refugees and accepted family reunifications correlate at 0.99, that is, an almost perfect correlation between the two phenomena.

    All in all, this points to a strong connection between asylum seekers and family reunification and understanding the two as closely related; many refugees arrive hoping to bring at least one family member. Given the high correlation, policy-makers can use refugee numbers as a very strong predictor of family reunification – depending, of course, the country’s laws on the area.

    Source: http://dailydeliberation.com/family-reunification-and-refugees/ Archived link: http://archive.is/QCLPU

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    I am afraid these will be the new talking points to allow more family reunifications:

    Germany: Migrants 'may have fuelled violent crime rise'
    3 January 2018

    The report used statistics from Lower Saxony - regarded as an average state - where police saw an increase of 10.4% in reported violent crimes in 2015 and 2016.

    Based on figures from the state's interior ministry, which keeps a separate record of alleged crimes by migrants, the report suggested that 92.1% of this increase was attributable to migrants.
    [...]
    The lack of women and families among the migrants also meant that those young men were deprived of a "violence-preventing, civilising force", the study said.

    The report suggested more migrants should be reunited with their families

    It also said that migrants with little hope of being giving asylum in Germany were much more likely to commit violent crime than those from war zones like Syria whose asylum was guaranteed.
    [...]
    In the Lower Saxony figures, 17% of crimes attributed to migrants were suspected of being committed by North Africans.

    This group, which makes up less than 1% of the state's migrant population, has little chance of achieving legal status in Germany.
     
    - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42557828

    In order for young male migrants not to act out and behave violently and criminally we need to grant them asylum and also bring their families to Europe. These people are certifiably insane!

    Ensuring family reunification for refugees in Europe

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FV341bqQPI

    Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights
    Published on Jun 18, 2017
    "Member states have a legal and moral obligation to ensure family reunification. International human rights standards require that people seeking protection can reunify with their families in an effective and timely manner. States must lift the many obstacles to family reunification and treat all people seeking protection equally." - Nils Muiznieks, Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights

    Number of persons with Finnish background decreased in 2014


    In the course of 2014, Finland’s population grew by 20,483 persons. The number of people with foreign background grew by 21,187 persons, while that of people with Finnish background went down by 704 persons. This is the first time in the examined period 1990 to 2014 when the number of people with Finnish background in the population decreased. However, the decrease is still small: compared to the previous year, 0.01 per cent. In turn, the number of people with foreign background increased by seven per cent.
     
    - http://www.stat.fi/til/vaerak/2014/01/vaerak_2014_01_2015-12-10_tie_001_en.html


    Obviously not only refugees may and do apply for family reunification. Ethnic Danes marrying abroad as well as members of older groups of immigrants could significantly contribute to the statistics. The former would often include native Danish men and Thai or Filipino women, while the latter would pertain to men of Turkish, Pakistani, and Moroccan origin with women from those same countries.

    National origin of applicants for family reunification

    http://dailydeliberation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Screen-Shot-2017-02-10-at-18.42.56-1024x913.png

    Source: http://dailydeliberation.com/family-reunification-and-refugees/
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Now, I do understand that all the racialist ethno-nationalists would prefer for there to be zero Somalis in Finland. But, let’s a grip here.

    Lets. Average Somalian IQ is 68 which puts most of their population in a literally retarded category. Meanwhile, Finland scores 99.

    You do realise that IQ is hereditary, no? You do understand that they have nothing to do (besides rape and welfare incubation) in the age of automation in Finland, no?

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    • Replies: @Alden
    Remember that means that a large number of Somalians have IQs way below 68.
    , @Santoculto
    Vocabulary and arythmetic notions are not literally hereditary, they are both hereditary and cultural because it's needed the early exposition of individual to learn/internalize them.

    We are born with instinctive modes which are specialized to given skills for example communication or ability to calculate probabilities and quantities. This instinctive modes are symbolized with words and numbers we internalizing during our first life decade. IQ analysed our instinctive/inborn skills already embobied with this symbols internalized and how we are good, in quantity and [superficially speaking] in quality, to retrieve and deal with them and in non-contextualized [without heuristics or factual understanding] ways or strictly technical ways.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    Average Somalian IQ is 68
     
    Dude, I assume that that figure is from testing done in Somalia and reflects conditions in Somalia. I am not an expert in these issues, but it strikes me as quite unlikely that the average IQ of Somali ethnics in Finland is 68. For starters, the origin of the Somali community there is that there were Somali university students in the Soviet Union, or ex-Soviet Union, who crossed into Finland. It is rather unlikely that the Somalis studying in a Russian university are all that stupid, since, for starters, they would have had to master Russian at a university studies level, and Russian is quite a difficult language.

    I also doubt that the Somali ethnics born in Finland who went through the Finnish school system score at a mean of 68. I don't know what their average IQ is, mind you, but I also am quite confident that neither you nor any of the other dumbasses here know what it is either.

    BUT... regardless, the real point is that there are only 17,000 Somalis in all of Finland. That's one Somali for every 300 ethnic Finns. Even if their average IQ really was 68, which I doubt frankly, it would not affect the mean IQ in Finland significantly, for the very simple reason that there are hardly any of them! Given the numbers, even if the average Somali had an IQ of 28, it wouldn't affect the average IQ in Finland very much.

    Go look it the numbers. Finland is simply NOT full of Somalis. Finland is not being flooded with Somalis or any other type of Muslim or Arab. There are apparently something like 50,000 Muslims in Finland total. That's it.

    This article is a complete bullshit fraud, for example telling us that there were 32,000 asylum seekers who entered Finland in 2015, and then not mentioning any other year. And the author is surely some zionist disinfo agent who is posing as a Finn. And there are Finns here who are calling this out as bullshit.

    Generally speaking, though, you guys here are such a bunch of pathetic dumbasses, with this desperate need to be duped by disinfo, like Finland is being deluged with Muslims. And it gets really cringeworthy when such idiots start all this stuff about IQ and the rest of the pseudo-scientific BS. Well, okay, it is understandable that you are obsessed with IQ. People tend to be obsessed with that which they do not possess. But you guys seemingly are incapable of doing the most minimal fact-checking and seeing that there are hardly any Muslims in Finland and the article is therefore just bullshit. And then when somebody (me in this case) tells you that this is just bullshit, you get all bothered and start with all the insults and other nonsense.

    When I discovered this Unz Review site a few years ago, I was quite positive about it. I remember sending links to friends and so forth. A year or so after that, I was quite proud to have articles published here, but now I have real misgivings. The place has become such a cesspool. My God, all the assorted morons and assholes here, it's become masochistic for anybody with a minimum of good taste and intelligence to hang out here.
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  • @Almost Missouri
    I too have wondered if Western Europe (and blue US) is afflicted with some kind of "self-destruct virus". But reports of Western Europe's will to self-destruct may be exaggerated. While there have been no direct referendums on mass immigration per se, recent elections have had a strong anti-immigration current.

    To take the two examples you cite, Macron did not run as a pro-open borders globalist, he ran as a centrist, and in office, he has been surprisingly willing to enforce French sovereignty, much to the globalists' chagrin. In the most recent German federal election, where mass immigration was a strong undercurrent, no matter that the establishment tried to suppress it, Angela Merkel's party (CDU), and its sister old-guard party (SDP) got trounced, while upstart anti-immigration AfD and the FDP soared. Meanwhile, the Visegrad group is holding firm against mass migration while more westerly countries, such as Austria, are swaying toward Visegradism.

    Is sovereignty tipping back to native Europeans? Stay tuned...

    Is sovereignty tipping back to native Europeans? Stay tuned…

    It is. There’s no way we’ll surrender our homelands peacefully. The jews are overplaying their hand – again.

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  • @OilcanFloyd
    If you are starting with 2009, you are missing much of the picture. Most of the Somalis came to Finland in the 1990s and early 2000s, before 2009.

    Prior to the Somalis, foreigners were not common, even in Helsinki. There were some tourists in the summer, but most of those were other Europeans. You'd see a few Middle Eastern dishwashers and waiters hanging around the malls, Peruvian street musicians in front of Stockmann, a few foreign students and businessmen, and the rest were probably foreign spouses or people associated with the UN. It was a very nice place.

    It is quite different today. Somalis have taken over more than just a few neighborhoods. Finns are starting to leave Helsinki because it is becoming too expensive to live away from the dysfunction brought by immigrants, and that is reality, not some BS Gatestone Institue propaganda or psyops.

    I was in Helsinki last year, and saw a group of Africans walking through a mall dressed like rappers, with a pit bull on a tow chain. The Somalis are worse.

    It's also not just Helsinki that gets the immigration. Immigrants are spread throughout the country, and they bring trouble and dysfunction wherever they go.

    If you are starting with 2009, you are missing much of the picture.

    Look, I made a very simple point, even simple enough for a dumbshit like you to understand. So I think you’re being willfully obtuse. But here’s the point again:

    The author of the above article tells us that over 32,000 asylum seekers entered Finland in 2015 alone, and he’s clearly implying that this is a typical year. So I pointed out that, in a typical year, Finland has something more like 4,000 or 5,000 people applying for asylum. It’s not too hard to look up what the statistics on asylum seekers in Finland is. Their government site gives the data for the last twenty years or so right here:

    http://www.migri.fi/about_us/statistics/statistics_on_asylum_and_refugees

    Here are the numbers of asylum seekers by year:

    1997: 958
    1998: 1,263
    1999: 3,106
    2000: 3,155
    2001: 1,643
    2002: 3,443
    2003: 3,184
    2004: 3,861
    2005: 3,574
    2006: 2,324
    2007: 1,505
    2008: 4,035
    2009: 5,988
    2010: 4,018
    2011: 3,088
    2012: 3,129
    2013: 3,238
    2014: 3,651
    2015: 32,467
    2016: 5,651

    The total number of asylum seekers in that twenty-year period, I add up to be 93,281, a mean of 4,664 asylum seekers per year, even including the anomalous year of 2015, which is the only year the article gives a figure for. Note that this is all countries put together, so it includes people from Ukraine or the Balkans or other places.

    I also noted that the number of asylum applications actually accepted is much lower than this. If you look at, say, 2010, the number of people actually granted asylum was 1,784.

    http://www.migri.fi/download/16783_Decision_on_asylum_2010.pdf

    Again, the figure for 2015 given by the author is completely anomalous and it is not clear how many of the 32,000 people will actually be allowed to stay in Finland in the end.

    But anyway, the grand total of asylum seekers in Finland over the last 20 years is somewhat less than 100,000. Fewer than 5,000 a year. So I do not think that Finland, a country of 5.5 million, is being overrun by refugees.

    Most of the Somalis came to Finland in the 1990s and early 2000s, before 2009.

    The Wikipedia page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Finland

    puts the number of Somali speakers in Finland at 17,871. At a different point in the page, it claims that there are 9,618 people residing in Finland who were born in Somalia. I suppose the difference is ethnic Somalis who were born in Finland to Somali parents but speak Somali at home. Some might be the product of mixed marriages and thus, it’s not clear exactly how to count, but I conclude that, by whatever reckoning, there are fewer than 20,000 Somalis in Finland.

    Now, I do understand that all the racialist ethno-nationalists would prefer for there to be zero Somalis in Finland. But, let’s a grip here. There are, it appears, fewer than 20,000 Somalis in Finland, a country of 5.5 million.

    Well, okay, I suppose that will lower the average IQ of people in Finland noticeably, since it is a well known fact that the average Somali has an IQ of -1000.

    But, regardless, this whole notion that Finland is being overrun by Somalis or any other sort of Muslim or Arab — it’s just bullshit, as far as I can tell. This has practically nothing to do with ideology. It’s simply because I went and checked the numbers!

    Showing some of you guys some actual data is probably about like shining sunlight on a vampire!

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    • Replies: @FKA Max
    You also have to consider "family reunification" in your numbers:

    Organisations: Income limits for family reunification must be abandoned

    The office of Amnesty International in Finland, the Finnish Red Cross, the Finnish Refugee Council, the Finnish Refugee Advice Centre, Finn Church Aid, Save the Children Finland, the Federation of Mother and Child Homes and Shelters, and the Finnish Somali League have criticised measures which would make it more difficult to reunite families.
    - https://www.redcross.fi/news/20160222/organisations-income-limits-family-reunification-must-be-abandoned

    The following data is from the U.S., but I'd imagine that the situation in Europe is similar:

    Family reunification is the largest of four major avenues through which individuals qualify for admission and "lawful permanent residence" in the U.S..

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/source_images_oldsite/apr03_spot_1.gif

    Source: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/family-reunification

    Recent data from Denmark:

    Like most other Western European countries, Denmark has introduced a number of restrictions on immigration since the late 1990s.

    Yet, as can be seen from the figure below, there were more people arriving by family reunification than by successfully obtaining refugee status in every year from 2011-2016.

    Moreover, applications for refugee status and for family reunification follow each other closely. In fact, applications for refugee status correlate with applications for family reunification at 0.97 over the years in question, while numbers of accepted refugees and accepted family reunifications correlate at 0.99, that is, an almost perfect correlation between the two phenomena.

    All in all, this points to a strong connection between asylum seekers and family reunification and understanding the two as closely related; many refugees arrive hoping to bring at least one family member. Given the high correlation, policy-makers can use refugee numbers as a very strong predictor of family reunification – depending, of course, the country’s laws on the area.

    http://dailydeliberation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Screen-Shot-2017-02-10-at-18.38.58-1024x570.png

    Source: http://dailydeliberation.com/family-reunification-and-refugees/ Archived link: http://archive.is/QCLPU

    , @FKA Max
    There is also this:

    The total fertility rate of women of foreign origin is slightly higher than among Finns. Between 2007 and 2011, this figure was, on average, 2.09 for women with foreign background, while it was 1.84 for women of Finnish origin.

    The average for the total fertility rate is calculated for the example countries of background for the years 2007 to 2011, because yearly variations are large for such small numbers of people. The figure was biggest for women with Somali background, 4.00 children. The figure was 2.08 for women with Thai background, the same as the total figure for women with foreign background. The total fertility rate for women with Russian background, 1.73, was lower than that for women with Finnish background. These figures are similar to the ones earlier calculated on the basis of the mother's country of birth (Statistics Finland 2012a).
     
    - https://www.stat.fi/tup/vl2010/art_2013-06-04_001_en.html

    There were 322,711 persons with foreign background living in Finland in 2014, which was 5.9 per cent of the entire population. There were 273,306 persons of first generation with foreign background, i.e. born abroad, and 49,405 persons of second generation with foreign background, i.e. born in Finland.

    Examined by continent, 58 per cent of all persons with foreign background were of European background. The share of persons with Asian background was 24 per cent and that of persons with African background was 12 per cent.
     
    - http://www.stat.fi/til/vaerak/2014/01/vaerak_2014_01_2015-12-10_tie_001_en.html

    http://www.stat.fi/til/vaerak/2014/01/vaerak_2014_01_2015-12-10_tie_001_en_003.gif
    , @OilcanFloyd
    According to this article, the population increased by 23,020 in 2014, with some 17,000 being immigrants. Ethnic Finns had roughly 5500 children that year, and immigration has been at least at half that level for several decades, and often much higher. You tell me what the end result will be if changes aren't made soon.

    http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/13219-immigration-accounts-for-76-ofpopulation-growth-in-finland.html

    My point wasn't even about Finns being replaced. My point was that starting out with figures from 2009 made no sense, since the immigration problem started in the 1990s.

    As far as actual numbers go, I don't even have to know specific numbers to know that the number of immigrants has increased drastically, since I've seen it with my own eyes, and hear it from Finns that I know, a few of whom actually support immigration.

    No matter what the actual number is, they immigrants bring a level of crime and dysfunction that wasn't present before their arrival, and that does include violent sex crimes.
    , @Alden
    Calling people dumb shit doesn’t refute their statements
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  • @OilcanFloyd
    My mistake. Finns have trouble distinguishing between g and k sounds, and also between the p and b sounds. English speakers clearly understand that pall and ball are very different words.

    In Finnish there are both b and p, but these b and p sound the same to a foreigner, so they do not hear the difference between Finnish b and p, while Finns hear the difference. The problem comes when a Finn speaks English and pronounces these letters as in Finnish, what they always do.
    Finnish p is soft, and b is also soft. There is also g and k, and again Finnish sounds are pronounced in a way that Finns hear the difference, but foreigners often do not. Concerning s there is a real problem since in Finnish there is exactly one s, which can be pronounced in any way you choose, like z, s, sh, whatever, so Finns never get them right. Some languages have eight different s-sounds.
    But with this double consonants, they divide into two syllables, so Si-pi-lä versus Sip-pi-lä is a major difference. It is also quite true what the Wondering Finn wrote about the election 2015, the author does know much of Finland. Furthermore, there are 40.000 refugees and some 50.000 Muslims in Finland. Some 16.000 are in refugee centers waiting for a decision. The refugee problem is not yet so big in the minds of most Finns. A good question who is this Harri, if Russian or some other, and why he writes.

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    Wow, somebody is in a foul mood, calm down, we are just discussing numbers.
     
    Well, if you want people to calm down, you have to take the initial step of being HONEST. You wrote a note that was clearly dishonest. I had never expressed any opinion about how many Muslims there should be in Finland. I simply made a factual comment about how many there appear to be, at least according to information sources that should be more or less accurate for these purposes.

    YET... you answered me as if I said something that I had not said. If you want to play this game of what a nice, reasonable guy you are, the ball is in your court, because you clearly owe me an apology. I never expressed any opinion about how many Muslims there should be in Finland and you are not supposed to be misconstruing what people actually said.

    So it's quite normal that I get annoyed at you. Of course, this kind of dishonesty is chronic, but I see no reason to be so calm and polite with people who are sleazy and dishonest. If this was a temporary lapse on your part, you can own up to it and we go from there. If not then spare me this "calm down" stuff.

    As for objectively debating numbers, the article is completely dishonest, you know. For example, the article says:


    This country of just five million took in over 32,000 asylum seekers in 2015 alone [
     
    I wanted to confirm that figure and it is about correct. I found what looks twww.migri.fi/download/65010_EN_tp-hakijat_2015.pdfo be a reasonably good source here:

    http://www.migri.fi/about_us/statistics/statistics_on_asylum_and_refugees

    It has the statistics for how many people applied for political asylum in the various years up through the first quarter of 2017. The article's author is correct that something over 32,000 people applied for political asylum in 2015. The precise number is: 32,476. That can be found here:

    http://www.migri.fi/download/65010_EN_tp-hakijat_2015.pdf

    However, the problem is that 2015 is an outlier year. Here are some of the data for other years from the same source, the number of asylum seekers in Finland over the last few years:


    2009: 5,988
    2010: 4,018
    2011: 3,088
    2012: 3,129
    2013: 3,238
    2014: 3,651
    2015: 32,467
    2016: 5,651

    The last data available corresponds to the first 3 months of 2017 and 1,135 asylum seekers in that period. You can confirm that here, if you want: http://www.migri.fi/download/72847_EN_applicants_january_february_2017.pdf

    So, the only number the author of the article gives is for the year 2015, not mentioning that it is an outlier year. He is trying to create the impression that 32,000 refugees are coming into Finland every year, when the true figure in a typical year seems to be about 4 or 5,0000. Now, strictly speaking, he is not lying, I suppose, since he is giving a correct number for that year, 2015!

    BUT.... there is obvious intention to deceive. In fact, I feel that this is clearly mendacious. I really object to this. I object as somebody who has written articles on this site and I don't want my name besides these sorts of liars. If I were a Finn, which I am not, I would object to this guy taking a Finnish pseudonym and presenting himself as a Finn. Now, any individual Finn can be a liar, but for the most part, Scandinavians have a well-deserved reputation of being pretty honest, honorable people. So, to have somebody presenting himself as a Finn and engaging in this kind of deception is really objectionable. You can see that there are some people who really are Finns who don't clearly don't like it.

    If Unz is about anything it is about quantitative analysis and accuracy, about avoiding lazy verbal deceptions. I think based on that my analysis belongs here more than yours.
     

    Dude, you're making an ass of yourself and you really should stop. In what I wrote above, I did what a serious person does who wants to get at the truth about such a matter. I went and tried to verify the numbers that the author was bandying about. I believe that I am the only commenter here who did that.

    Now, as for this:


    When Western pro-migrant advocates try to present their case, they invariably avoid context, lie about trends,

     

    It should already be clear, but I have to say these things explicitly, it seems..

    I am not in favor of dishonest presentation of facts, whether it is from people who are nominally left-wing or nominally right-wing I find it abhorrent.

    I am quite convinced that the author of this article and quite a few of the commenters under the article are professional liars. I am fairly indifferent as to whether they are lying on behalf of a right-wing or a left-wing position.

    I do not like liars.

    If you are starting with 2009, you are missing much of the picture. Most of the Somalis came to Finland in the 1990s and early 2000s, before 2009.

    Prior to the Somalis, foreigners were not common, even in Helsinki. There were some tourists in the summer, but most of those were other Europeans. You’d see a few Middle Eastern dishwashers and waiters hanging around the malls, Peruvian street musicians in front of Stockmann, a few foreign students and businessmen, and the rest were probably foreign spouses or people associated with the UN. It was a very nice place.

    It is quite different today. Somalis have taken over more than just a few neighborhoods. Finns are starting to leave Helsinki because it is becoming too expensive to live away from the dysfunction brought by immigrants, and that is reality, not some BS Gatestone Institue propaganda or psyops.

    I was in Helsinki last year, and saw a group of Africans walking through a mall dressed like rappers, with a pit bull on a tow chain. The Somalis are worse.

    It’s also not just Helsinki that gets the immigration. Immigrants are spread throughout the country, and they bring trouble and dysfunction wherever they go.

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    If you are starting with 2009, you are missing much of the picture.
     
    Look, I made a very simple point, even simple enough for a dumbshit like you to understand. So I think you're being willfully obtuse. But here's the point again:

    The author of the above article tells us that over 32,000 asylum seekers entered Finland in 2015 alone, and he's clearly implying that this is a typical year. So I pointed out that, in a typical year, Finland has something more like 4,000 or 5,000 people applying for asylum. It's not too hard to look up what the statistics on asylum seekers in Finland is. Their government site gives the data for the last twenty years or so right here:

    http://www.migri.fi/about_us/statistics/statistics_on_asylum_and_refugees

    Here are the numbers of asylum seekers by year:

    1997: 958
    1998: 1,263
    1999: 3,106
    2000: 3,155
    2001: 1,643
    2002: 3,443
    2003: 3,184
    2004: 3,861
    2005: 3,574
    2006: 2,324
    2007: 1,505
    2008: 4,035
    2009: 5,988
    2010: 4,018
    2011: 3,088
    2012: 3,129
    2013: 3,238
    2014: 3,651
    2015: 32,467
    2016: 5,651

    The total number of asylum seekers in that twenty-year period, I add up to be 93,281, a mean of 4,664 asylum seekers per year, even including the anomalous year of 2015, which is the only year the article gives a figure for. Note that this is all countries put together, so it includes people from Ukraine or the Balkans or other places.

    I also noted that the number of asylum applications actually accepted is much lower than this. If you look at, say, 2010, the number of people actually granted asylum was 1,784.

    http://www.migri.fi/download/16783_Decision_on_asylum_2010.pdf

    Again, the figure for 2015 given by the author is completely anomalous and it is not clear how many of the 32,000 people will actually be allowed to stay in Finland in the end.

    But anyway, the grand total of asylum seekers in Finland over the last 20 years is somewhat less than 100,000. Fewer than 5,000 a year. So I do not think that Finland, a country of 5.5 million, is being overrun by refugees.

    Most of the Somalis came to Finland in the 1990s and early 2000s, before 2009.
     
    The Wikipedia page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Finland

    puts the number of Somali speakers in Finland at 17,871. At a different point in the page, it claims that there are 9,618 people residing in Finland who were born in Somalia. I suppose the difference is ethnic Somalis who were born in Finland to Somali parents but speak Somali at home. Some might be the product of mixed marriages and thus, it's not clear exactly how to count, but I conclude that, by whatever reckoning, there are fewer than 20,000 Somalis in Finland.

    Now, I do understand that all the racialist ethno-nationalists would prefer for there to be zero Somalis in Finland. But, let's a grip here. There are, it appears, fewer than 20,000 Somalis in Finland, a country of 5.5 million.

    Well, okay, I suppose that will lower the average IQ of people in Finland noticeably, since it is a well known fact that the average Somali has an IQ of -1000.

    But, regardless, this whole notion that Finland is being overrun by Somalis or any other sort of Muslim or Arab -- it's just bullshit, as far as I can tell. This has practically nothing to do with ideology. It's simply because I went and checked the numbers!

    Showing some of you guys some actual data is probably about like shining sunlight on a vampire!
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  • My mistake. Finns have trouble distinguishing between g and k sounds, and also between the p and b sounds. English speakers clearly understand that pall and ball are very different words.

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    In Finnish there are both b and p, but these b and p sound the same to a foreigner, so they do not hear the difference between Finnish b and p, while Finns hear the difference. The problem comes when a Finn speaks English and pronounces these letters as in Finnish, what they always do.
    Finnish p is soft, and b is also soft. There is also g and k, and again Finnish sounds are pronounced in a way that Finns hear the difference, but foreigners often do not. Concerning s there is a real problem since in Finnish there is exactly one s, which can be pronounced in any way you choose, like z, s, sh, whatever, so Finns never get them right. Some languages have eight different s-sounds.
    But with this double consonants, they divide into two syllables, so Si-pi-lä versus Sip-pi-lä is a major difference. It is also quite true what the Wondering Finn wrote about the election 2015, the author does know much of Finland. Furthermore, there are 40.000 refugees and some 50.000 Muslims in Finland. Some 16.000 are in refugee centers waiting for a decision. The refugee problem is not yet so big in the minds of most Finns. A good question who is this Harri, if Russian or some other, and why he writes.
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  • @neutral

    A Finn, someone who knows Finnish, would never ever, under any circumstances whatever, commit an error like this
     
    What, no Finn has ever made a spelling mistake, not even adding an extra letter in by mistake, they are truly a remarkable people.

    Adding an extra letter makes a big difference in Finnish. I don’t always hear it, but to a Finn, a double letter sound is a big deal, just like distinguishing between g and b is to an English speaker, or using the correct gender pronouns.

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  • @wayfarer
    I was raised by a child beating woman raping genuine serial killer. He left me with a haunted mind, for life.

    I have zero respect for any human being who feels they're justified to infringe on another human being's free will. Especially, through acts of direct violent assault.

    I actually have an extraordinarily high level of empathy, primarily for animals, but there's an unseen threshold within me that is quite unsympathetic.


    Speaking of penetration, Muslims in India, Muslim countries and Europe delight in digital penetration especially on public transit. It’s almost always 3 or 4 attacking the woman. That’s because Muslims need the gang to ramp up their courage and enough big brave macho men to hold the victim still and fight off anyone who wants to intervene.
     
    This is one reason why I carry a concealed knife, that's designed for maximum cleaving power. The day I cross the path of a man or group of men raping a woman, is the day I sever arteries.

    I know this sounds crude, but it's so often a merciless world and frequently at the expense of innocent victims.

    Many victims can remain traumatized, for a lifetime.

    I appreciate your taking the time to speak out regarding this dark cultural epidemic, of Muslim gang rapes.

    I have zero respect for any human being who feels they’re justified to infringe on another human being’s free will. Especially, through acts of direct violent assault.

    I actually have an extraordinarily high level of empathy, primarily for animals, but there’s an unseen threshold within me that is quite unsympathetic.

    me too

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