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    The CBS Evening News ran this interview. This has been dropped down the memory hole. So has this. Note: he spoke of a black SUV. Note also that he got verbal confirmation from off-camera. This indicates that there were other eyewitnesses. The only eyewitness identifications that I can find speak of three white men. I...
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    I don't have any reason to suspect the braod general official narrative on Bernadino and the official descrpition of how towers ,and Pentagon and were attacked by the planes . Beyond that I don't believe anything governments says about 911 because bunch of people with clear motive had ignored the warnings before and used the shock to advance the mission that they were ideologically ,religiouly,culturally, and professionally trained to fight for and to exeute it at any cost for decades - redrawing the Middle East to sustain secure,and nurture Israel. Their job is remains unfinished according to their subsequent behavioral pattern in and out of power .
    . This is why the umbrage and hatred against Obama ,call for his death,insinuation that he might be killed because he is an apostate to Muslim as spread by some of their lying heavyweights among the Islamophobic neocon and visceral antagonism by neocon cum Netanyahu against Iran deal and visceral organic violent impulses to get whole Sunni hyped up against Shia through use of deceit,deception,fear tactics,and plain bribings with threat by Israel neocon,and left wing interventionist .

    TWA also belongs to that realm of unexplored cloud of uncertainty . The aviation industry has question - a lot and the NTSB investigators challenged the official version from day one . NTSB 's dissenting opinions were gagged under threat of discharge from duties and loss of benefit .

    Published on Feb 25, 2015

    DRONE A-3 Skywarrior 9/11 PENTAGON ATTACK (Slow Motion) One can see a Small White Raytheon Jet ( Douglas A-3 Skywarrior ) as it comes in low to the earth ! Fires a Missile Blasting a Hole in the Wall, right before the A-3 Impacts against the Pentagon’ Notice the Smoke Trail from the Missile hits the Pentagon ………https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gCcfvAzGzo

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    They were Pakistani i.e. South Asian, not Middle Eastern. South Asians tend to be darker than Middle Easterners, and their photographs reveal them to be 2 darkly complexioned South Asians who would not be confused for 3 tall athletic white men.

    Look at the pictures of the couple. They had fair, not dark skin. Anyway, since they are neither East Asian or African the natural assumption is White or White or Hispanic . In situations like that it’s impossible for witnesses to be accurate.

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  • Who could count 76 and 380 rounds of shots? This is preposterous. Totally

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    If Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik were the shooters and intended to flee and not die as ‘martyrs’, why on Earth would they be two miles away from the scene and not safely across the Mexican border, which is at most 100-150 miles from San Bernardino? They would have had 4 hours, so even driving UNDER the speed limit they would have had more than enough time to safely enter Baja California. If they didn’t want to die or WORSE, be detained somewhere like GITMO, or even worse being brought out of the country to places where torture is legal, then logic would dictate that they had escape plans.

    And the US gov’t can and does bring ‘suspected terrorists’ out of the country to places like Libya, Egypt, and Morroco among others, where torture is ‘permissible’. It’s called in Newspeak “Extraordinary Rendition”, look it up. People with knowledge of the Soviet-Afghan War in the 1980′s know that the US spent billions of dollars to train and arm the Mujahideen fighting the Soviets, this is known as “proxy warfare”. Extraordinary Rendition is the exact same concept “torture by proxy”. There were not 14 innocents slain thay day in San Bernardino, there were 16.

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  • @International Jew

    Bottom line, the guy’s a joke.
     
    His resume is perfect for unz.com though.

    His resume is perfect for unz.com though.

    Then why do you bother coming here, IJ? Rather peculiar, isn’t it?

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  • @Aaron Gross
    I first heard of Gary North before the Y2K catastrophe. I read an interview with some "historian" named North who was predicting, with near certainty, widespread collapse, starvation, basically the end of our civilization. He left his web pages up after the Great Y2K Collapse, I don't know if they're still there.

    Then I googled (Google was new then) and found that North had years earlier confidently predicted the spread of AIDS to heterosexuals, an epidemic so widespread it would be the end of our civilization.

    Bottom line, the guy's a joke.

    Bottom line, the guy’s a joke.

    His resume is perfect for unz.com though.

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    His resume is perfect for unz.com though.

     

    Then why do you bother coming here, IJ? Rather peculiar, isn't it?
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  • @CTD
    You know you're on to something when people try this hard to slide the topic.

    Besides the excellent questions here, one should ask where the facility's security camera footage and the police dashcam footage are. And why camera footage wasn't pulled from every business in a mile radius around the facility. And generally, why the police are so incurious. You'd think if there's any chance of a third psycho running around that you'd want to be extremely careful to interview all eyewitnesses and keep up a dragnet.

    CTD, I thought the footage of the Loma Linda doctors’ press conference looked awfully tense– especially when the press asked to speak w the Iranian doctor who was only supposed to be there to fill the photo. The guy in charge was visibly nervous when this happpened. Looked like the Iranian hadn’t been prepped. He said something about “curiosity”.

    At the end even the headman fluffed his lines about how many massacre patients Loma Linda had.

    However, my overall impression is that in all of these hoaxes, the technique is to quickly involve you in controversy: Hence you take a position on WHICH shooters and forget to ask WHETHER there were shooters. You participate in the controversy over HOW the plane in the Sinai was brought down and forget to notice WHETHER it’s a real crash. Odd that aircraft parts weighing tons fell from the sky w/o making contact craters– especially the heavy engine shown. Same question about MH17 where the heavy parts landed on farmland– conveniently located near roads where they could have been trucked in. Here’s what real crash sites look like. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/crash-comparisons.html

    Remember: Controversy is meant to focus your mind on the wrong question.

    Do you know how realistic dummies have become?
    Control of our response to what is happening to the world is exercised via deception. We must become more adept at piercing deception. Here are stunt dummies; their clothed bodies, but not their heads, look real. http://www.dappercadaver.com/categories/stunt-dummies/ http://www.dappercadaver.com/categories/poseable-dummies/

    Here is a totally lifelike head. http://www.waldomason.com/#!about2/cvq7

    Please remember that these are not real. http://www.waldomason.com/#!gallery/cox7 For the movies & for hoaxes. http://www.waldomason.com/

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  • @abner
    Wouldn't you have to get a bunch of highschool graduates working as LA cops on the same page for the rest of their lives to make this conspiracy work? If the story was that one FBI agent had plugged both of them I could see it.

    Abner, I guess if your commanding officer tells you it’s confirmed these are the killers and that they have refused to stop the car you would participate.
    However, a few things lead me to believe that this is a hoax:
    –In other footage you can see that the front windows, altho they have large holes in them were rolled up. Did the perps shoot thru their closed windows?
    –Since no one identified them at the scene of the “massacre”, shouldn’t there be dash-cam footage when the police kill them?
    –The footage above of the female shooter looks more like a stage dummy than a woman.

    –The newsman whom you just saw interviewed David, the man who took the cell phone video where you could hear the police shooting at the SUV.

    At 12:10 on this video the newsman becomes concerned that his “witness” is lacking credibility cuz he keeps putting his hands in his pockets. So the newsman, not knowing that the camera is now picking up below his waist, puts his hand out and sort of pinches his witness’s wrist to make him take his hand out of his pocket. To me that’s a dead giveaway! Would he do that w a real witness– be concerned about enhancing his credibility? This witness is David, the one who filmed w his cell phone while we heard the cops shooting at the SUV.

    But Abner, if you really want to know if there are hoaxes put on by the govt, I have a sequential set of still photos taken at the Boston Bombing.
    Boston Bombing photos taken from an office overlooking where the crisis actors waited their turn for the photographer. Two did not even lie down until the photographer was ready for them, at which time one “became dead.” We actually see one woman put on her “blood makeup.” We see Cowboy Hat, lounging & waiting for the final event. Looked at carefully these are conclusive proof that the Boston Marathon bombing was a hoax. http://deepinsidetherabbithole.com/The_Boston_Bombing_Hoax.html http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/

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  • Thaaaat’s right. Useful idiots of the Left defend it all, blame the Bushies who are gone 7 years now with Obama driving it further down the drain in favor of Islam. Interesting still, Mr. Obama IS a Muslim. Further, he pledged to all in everything he ever wrote or said, his intent was to tear down, to fundamentally transform the nation. It was his promise. Dreams of his Father, executed against the First World. It’s right in front of you and you STILL blame Bush. Hilarious!

    Fundamentally transform. Islamic Fundamentalism is the path he’s taking to the transformation. Enjoy, Lefties. I had my say. Enjoy the transformation. Arguing against Islamic transformation is in itself a defense of the Left. This I will do no more.

    Amazing the low IQ the Lefties display. Neocons and Bush, Neocons and Bush. Given the mess, if they caused it, Obama must also be ruled by NeoCons because it gets worse, never better.

    See ya!

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  • @Jim Christian
    Lefties, yes. And, it's a self preservation thing, you'd think. Imagine, leftists with all their tolerance for that which under Islam, earns a beheading, a stoning, a whipping or worse.

    Leftists in the West (and especially the U.S., defend and imposed the acceptance of the gays, the trans-genders, the entire alphabet soup of sexual depravity and we are all forced to look the other way, accept and ultimately with the force of society indulge everything they can come up with. Fine.

    Leftist- imposed Feminism has overlaid the entire society. No one dares make a move without considering the alphabet soup of women's groups because we dare not offend. All backed by force of law. Women in all measures own academia, the government, the courts and all the legislatures of the land must consider and every day write new laws advancing the ladies' cause over that of men. Fine. Who can resist?

    So, in their madness, they resist and undermine in every way possible, in their hatred for the right, any effort to slow down the advance of a culture which will immediately wipe out all the Leftist gains the past 50 years. Imagine that. They defend Islam. They believe Islam will accept the depravity, the sexism against men in all areas of life to the advantage of women in education, the perverted (to Islam) sexual mores', the economy. Leftists actually believe the Leftist agenda is safe under the pressure Islam is bringing, even in the U.S.. I don't know who they think is going to defend against Islam if not us old, irrelevant White men of the right. They think it won't get here, but it is here in pockets and is growing. The outposts are the Mosques. And the twinkies I see in college, the "strong" obese, women and men and soft kiddie corps aren't going to defend against Islamic culture. The left forgets it was Rightist White men that gave them this privilege. We allowed it, we've defended it with our lives.

    The left has the inability to look at life under Islam. Imagine, Lefties, life for gays, for lesbians, adulterers, for women for, much of the rich fabric of the sexual and gender landscape in Saudi Arabia, Iran and under the coming Shia scenario. They fail to look and see how the Leftist agenda evaporates with extreme prejudice and great violence under Islamic influence in the society and government. It is here now. Honor killings of Arab daughters are happening all over the country and in Europe an d the United States and nothing is done. Cuture. These are not people that bend to US, we will bend to THEM.

    And who is there to stand up to them? Old White guys, every one rendered irrelevant by the Leftists, the feminists, the race hustlers, none of whom are capable of the physical fight that will be required to defend themselves. Well, I'll defend myself, but I'm not the kind of entity they'll challenge, they know I'll fight back for me and mine. Islam will go after the weak, the gays, the feminist system, the notion that American Blacks have "rights". Oh yeah, Islam is a very racist system, in addition to being a murderous, degrading raping culture against women, especially Infidel women! Ha!. This day is coming and the Left, the folks that defend Islam against my arguments, will find, to the ultimate irony that they are right back where they started and at the end of it all, the men get their privilege back.

    So, I argue further--NOT. The feminist Left clearly wants Islam, good for them, they can have it and they're going to get it. A real rape culture will be installed, women will be put back in their old place, the criminal activity of the African Americans will be solved and the sexual landscape will be cleaned up. The Left has no imagination to see this before it's too late, but they would do well to look at Norway, Sweden and Germany as regards Islam and see how there is no defense against them on the streets, the subways, in public at the grass roots. And because of the culture-clash, the governments do NOTHING to defend their own women, the old mores' and feminist tradition. Muslims raise Hell and feminist, white-run governments surrender to them. It's happening, it's out there. It's real. And why should I care? Why have I defended the Leftists and what they've imposed on me and the country that USED to be the United States? Bombs away overseas won't fix this. This is here.

    Muslim men will rule Europe and the United States, they abhor a vacuum and the weakness of the Left creates a vast vacuum. And as for the Left? They can't fathom how to defend themselves. To the dismay of the Feminist-run Left, all their institutions will be torn down and men will rule once more. Again, why should I care? If the Left doesn't want to survive, why should I bother? They aren't my friend, that's for sure.

    Worst comes to worst, I'll get my privilege back. The destruction that is going to take place however, a sad thing. But, I tried. Merry Christmas indeed.

    Again, why should I care? If the Left doesn’t want to survive, why should I bother? They aren’t my friend, that’s for sure.

    Which begs the question, JC, if you don’t care, why are you trying to convince “the Left” they need to do something about “the Mosques”?

    If “the Left” is the source of all the depravity in our society, you should be welcoming “the Mosques” in their effort to eradicate this plague.

    So something’s just not adding up. Rather than shine a spotlight on the symptom, why not focus on the root cause of the resurgence of Islam – i.e., the so-called GWOT? As you well know, the ziocons promoted the GWOT as something that would protect the American people against the threat of another 9/11. It all looked legitimate at the outset with NATO going after al Qaida in Afghanistan. But then something strange happened. In his SOTU address, GW Bush recited like a puppet the words David Frum had written for him – i.e., that Iraq, Iran, and Syria (I mean NK) constituted an axis of evil. They were on the hit list because they were deemed state sponsors of terrorism. But what did that truly mean. While none of these countries ever threatened to attack the American homeland, they did support enemies of the Zionist project, like Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad.

    So even before they completed the mission in Afghanistan, the ziocons decided to go after Saddam Hussein. Saddam was targeted because he had dropped 27 scud missiles on Israel during the first Iraq War. He also committed the sin of underwriting suicide bombers’ family members to the tune of $25,000. The same goes for Syria, and Iran – they were deemed state sponsors of terrorism because they supported Hezbollah, Israel’s arch enemy in Lebanon. Apart from Iran, which used to be a secular state before the Islamic Revolution of 1979, both Syria and Iraq were secular Arab states. The two strongmen, Hussein and Assad, brutally repressed the Islamists. If the so-called GWOT was really meant to make the American people safer, why would the US want to remove these two secular regimes? They knew that doing so would only create a vacuum that would inevitably be filled by the dreaded Islamists.

    So if your biggest concern is “the Mosques,” you should be railing against the neocon/Israel firsters decision to get the US to launch a crusade in the ME by regime changing those countries deemed hostile to the Zionist project, for the sole purpose of enhancing the security of the villa in the jungle. Rather than making the American people safer, by taking out the secular governments of Iraq and Syria (and Libya), the GWOT is directly responsible for the proliferation of the Islamists which has made the American people less safe.

    So, JC, if you truly fear “the Mosques,” you should be calling for an end to the GWOT, or to Overseas Contingency Operations, as the Obama Administration cleverly rebranded it. So the question is, why aren’t you?

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  • @Clyde

    And for you now? Go. Be you. All you Muslim lobbyists.
     
    Can you think of anything stupider? To be a Muslim apologist? They know knowing about the imperialist history of Islam going all the way back to the false prophet who was a mass killer and terrorist. Just a bunch of silly marijuana addled white boy lefties and libertarians. Oh...... And don't forget the anti-war banners they wave except when it comes to Iran nuking Israel. What phony dumbasses.

    Lefties, yes. And, it’s a self preservation thing, you’d think. Imagine, leftists with all their tolerance for that which under Islam, earns a beheading, a stoning, a whipping or worse.

    Leftists in the West (and especially the U.S., defend and imposed the acceptance of the gays, the trans-genders, the entire alphabet soup of sexual depravity and we are all forced to look the other way, accept and ultimately with the force of society indulge everything they can come up with. Fine.

    Leftist- imposed Feminism has overlaid the entire society. No one dares make a move without considering the alphabet soup of women’s groups because we dare not offend. All backed by force of law. Women in all measures own academia, the government, the courts and all the legislatures of the land must consider and every day write new laws advancing the ladies’ cause over that of men. Fine. Who can resist?

    So, in their madness, they resist and undermine in every way possible, in their hatred for the right, any effort to slow down the advance of a culture which will immediately wipe out all the Leftist gains the past 50 years. Imagine that. They defend Islam. They believe Islam will accept the depravity, the sexism against men in all areas of life to the advantage of women in education, the perverted (to Islam) sexual mores’, the economy. Leftists actually believe the Leftist agenda is safe under the pressure Islam is bringing, even in the U.S.. I don’t know who they think is going to defend against Islam if not us old, irrelevant White men of the right. They think it won’t get here, but it is here in pockets and is growing. The outposts are the Mosques. And the twinkies I see in college, the “strong” obese, women and men and soft kiddie corps aren’t going to defend against Islamic culture. The left forgets it was Rightist White men that gave them this privilege. We allowed it, we’ve defended it with our lives.

    The left has the inability to look at life under Islam. Imagine, Lefties, life for gays, for lesbians, adulterers, for women for, much of the rich fabric of the sexual and gender landscape in Saudi Arabia, Iran and under the coming Shia scenario. They fail to look and see how the Leftist agenda evaporates with extreme prejudice and great violence under Islamic influence in the society and government. It is here now. Honor killings of Arab daughters are happening all over the country and in Europe an d the United States and nothing is done. Cuture. These are not people that bend to US, we will bend to THEM.

    And who is there to stand up to them? Old White guys, every one rendered irrelevant by the Leftists, the feminists, the race hustlers, none of whom are capable of the physical fight that will be required to defend themselves. Well, I’ll defend myself, but I’m not the kind of entity they’ll challenge, they know I’ll fight back for me and mine. Islam will go after the weak, the gays, the feminist system, the notion that American Blacks have “rights”. Oh yeah, Islam is a very racist system, in addition to being a murderous, degrading raping culture against women, especially Infidel women! Ha!. This day is coming and the Left, the folks that defend Islam against my arguments, will find, to the ultimate irony that they are right back where they started and at the end of it all, the men get their privilege back.

    So, I argue further–NOT. The feminist Left clearly wants Islam, good for them, they can have it and they’re going to get it. A real rape culture will be installed, women will be put back in their old place, the criminal activity of the African Americans will be solved and the sexual landscape will be cleaned up. The Left has no imagination to see this before it’s too late, but they would do well to look at Norway, Sweden and Germany as regards Islam and see how there is no defense against them on the streets, the subways, in public at the grass roots. And because of the culture-clash, the governments do NOTHING to defend their own women, the old mores’ and feminist tradition. Muslims raise Hell and feminist, white-run governments surrender to them. It’s happening, it’s out there. It’s real. And why should I care? Why have I defended the Leftists and what they’ve imposed on me and the country that USED to be the United States? Bombs away overseas won’t fix this. This is here.

    Muslim men will rule Europe and the United States, they abhor a vacuum and the weakness of the Left creates a vast vacuum. And as for the Left? They can’t fathom how to defend themselves. To the dismay of the Feminist-run Left, all their institutions will be torn down and men will rule once more. Again, why should I care? If the Left doesn’t want to survive, why should I bother? They aren’t my friend, that’s for sure.

    Worst comes to worst, I’ll get my privilege back. The destruction that is going to take place however, a sad thing. But, I tried. Merry Christmas indeed.

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    Again, why should I care? If the Left doesn’t want to survive, why should I bother? They aren’t my friend, that’s for sure.
     
    Which begs the question, JC, if you don't care, why are you trying to convince "the Left" they need to do something about "the Mosques"?

    If "the Left" is the source of all the depravity in our society, you should be welcoming "the Mosques" in their effort to eradicate this plague.

    So something's just not adding up. Rather than shine a spotlight on the symptom, why not focus on the root cause of the resurgence of Islam - i.e., the so-called GWOT? As you well know, the ziocons promoted the GWOT as something that would protect the American people against the threat of another 9/11. It all looked legitimate at the outset with NATO going after al Qaida in Afghanistan. But then something strange happened. In his SOTU address, GW Bush recited like a puppet the words David Frum had written for him - i.e., that Iraq, Iran, and Syria (I mean NK) constituted an axis of evil. They were on the hit list because they were deemed state sponsors of terrorism. But what did that truly mean. While none of these countries ever threatened to attack the American homeland, they did support enemies of the Zionist project, like Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad.

    So even before they completed the mission in Afghanistan, the ziocons decided to go after Saddam Hussein. Saddam was targeted because he had dropped 27 scud missiles on Israel during the first Iraq War. He also committed the sin of underwriting suicide bombers' family members to the tune of $25,000. The same goes for Syria, and Iran - they were deemed state sponsors of terrorism because they supported Hezbollah, Israel's arch enemy in Lebanon. Apart from Iran, which used to be a secular state before the Islamic Revolution of 1979, both Syria and Iraq were secular Arab states. The two strongmen, Hussein and Assad, brutally repressed the Islamists. If the so-called GWOT was really meant to make the American people safer, why would the US want to remove these two secular regimes? They knew that doing so would only create a vacuum that would inevitably be filled by the dreaded Islamists.

    So if your biggest concern is "the Mosques," you should be railing against the neocon/Israel firsters decision to get the US to launch a crusade in the ME by regime changing those countries deemed hostile to the Zionist project, for the sole purpose of enhancing the security of the villa in the jungle. Rather than making the American people safer, by taking out the secular governments of Iraq and Syria (and Libya), the GWOT is directly responsible for the proliferation of the Islamists which has made the American people less safe.

    So, JC, if you truly fear "the Mosques," you should be calling for an end to the GWOT, or to Overseas Contingency Operations, as the Obama Administration cleverly rebranded it. So the question is, why aren't you?
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  • @Jim Christian
    If I'm on the payroll, will someone please send me a check? It's Christmas for cryin' out loud. I'm a realist. I call em as I see em. Problem YOU have Robin is, I am correct. YOU are wrong. You and all your ilk. You're wrong. You and your ilk will live with the crash and degradation of the society that provided comfort to the world. May they eat you and your ilk first. And no one paid me to say it.

    Meanwhile, my New England Patriots sewed up the first round bye today. My beer is cold, my lobsters are tender and full and my cognac and my beautiful Brazilian woman await. My little slice of civilization is intact in this Christmas season. I believe in Christ, I believe in Israel. And anyone that fucks with my space gets a pair of .40SW rounds right through the cerebral cortex I dig on Taurus handguns, how about you, Twinkie? Because I, unlike all of you who have no interest in the world I and my people built for you, I am one who believes in defending my space.

    And for you now? Go. Be you. All you Muslim lobbyists. Be useful. Go to the beach, sit down, calm down and count the sand. Every fucking grain of it. It may be one useful function for a Muslim, assuming he isn't burying I.E.D's. After all, the Arabs invented the Abacus. Count in tens to the 40th power. Then, get back to us when you have a number. And remember, Geokat. Eat a goat. I don't think of you at all. You are as nothing. Really, to anyone. Try to get the Muslim accent out of your shitty writing would you? It wouldn't help your case, but your psychosis would be clarified to a more civilized level.

    And for you now? Go. Be you. All you Muslim lobbyists.

    Can you think of anything stupider? To be a Muslim apologist? They know knowing about the imperialist history of Islam going all the way back to the false prophet who was a mass killer and terrorist. Just a bunch of silly marijuana addled white boy lefties and libertarians. Oh…… And don’t forget the anti-war banners they wave except when it comes to Iran nuking Israel. What phony dumbasses.

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    Lefties, yes. And, it's a self preservation thing, you'd think. Imagine, leftists with all their tolerance for that which under Islam, earns a beheading, a stoning, a whipping or worse.

    Leftists in the West (and especially the U.S., defend and imposed the acceptance of the gays, the trans-genders, the entire alphabet soup of sexual depravity and we are all forced to look the other way, accept and ultimately with the force of society indulge everything they can come up with. Fine.

    Leftist- imposed Feminism has overlaid the entire society. No one dares make a move without considering the alphabet soup of women's groups because we dare not offend. All backed by force of law. Women in all measures own academia, the government, the courts and all the legislatures of the land must consider and every day write new laws advancing the ladies' cause over that of men. Fine. Who can resist?

    So, in their madness, they resist and undermine in every way possible, in their hatred for the right, any effort to slow down the advance of a culture which will immediately wipe out all the Leftist gains the past 50 years. Imagine that. They defend Islam. They believe Islam will accept the depravity, the sexism against men in all areas of life to the advantage of women in education, the perverted (to Islam) sexual mores', the economy. Leftists actually believe the Leftist agenda is safe under the pressure Islam is bringing, even in the U.S.. I don't know who they think is going to defend against Islam if not us old, irrelevant White men of the right. They think it won't get here, but it is here in pockets and is growing. The outposts are the Mosques. And the twinkies I see in college, the "strong" obese, women and men and soft kiddie corps aren't going to defend against Islamic culture. The left forgets it was Rightist White men that gave them this privilege. We allowed it, we've defended it with our lives.

    The left has the inability to look at life under Islam. Imagine, Lefties, life for gays, for lesbians, adulterers, for women for, much of the rich fabric of the sexual and gender landscape in Saudi Arabia, Iran and under the coming Shia scenario. They fail to look and see how the Leftist agenda evaporates with extreme prejudice and great violence under Islamic influence in the society and government. It is here now. Honor killings of Arab daughters are happening all over the country and in Europe an d the United States and nothing is done. Cuture. These are not people that bend to US, we will bend to THEM.

    And who is there to stand up to them? Old White guys, every one rendered irrelevant by the Leftists, the feminists, the race hustlers, none of whom are capable of the physical fight that will be required to defend themselves. Well, I'll defend myself, but I'm not the kind of entity they'll challenge, they know I'll fight back for me and mine. Islam will go after the weak, the gays, the feminist system, the notion that American Blacks have "rights". Oh yeah, Islam is a very racist system, in addition to being a murderous, degrading raping culture against women, especially Infidel women! Ha!. This day is coming and the Left, the folks that defend Islam against my arguments, will find, to the ultimate irony that they are right back where they started and at the end of it all, the men get their privilege back.

    So, I argue further--NOT. The feminist Left clearly wants Islam, good for them, they can have it and they're going to get it. A real rape culture will be installed, women will be put back in their old place, the criminal activity of the African Americans will be solved and the sexual landscape will be cleaned up. The Left has no imagination to see this before it's too late, but they would do well to look at Norway, Sweden and Germany as regards Islam and see how there is no defense against them on the streets, the subways, in public at the grass roots. And because of the culture-clash, the governments do NOTHING to defend their own women, the old mores' and feminist tradition. Muslims raise Hell and feminist, white-run governments surrender to them. It's happening, it's out there. It's real. And why should I care? Why have I defended the Leftists and what they've imposed on me and the country that USED to be the United States? Bombs away overseas won't fix this. This is here.

    Muslim men will rule Europe and the United States, they abhor a vacuum and the weakness of the Left creates a vast vacuum. And as for the Left? They can't fathom how to defend themselves. To the dismay of the Feminist-run Left, all their institutions will be torn down and men will rule once more. Again, why should I care? If the Left doesn't want to survive, why should I bother? They aren't my friend, that's for sure.

    Worst comes to worst, I'll get my privilege back. The destruction that is going to take place however, a sad thing. But, I tried. Merry Christmas indeed.
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  • Don’t forget, coffee is on me.

    I would love to geokat62. The logistics might be a challenge at the moment, but rest assured it’s a pleasure to ‘meet’ with your esteemed group here at the Unz when I’m lucky enough to enjoy the collective munificent wisdom.

    cheers to you

    Namaste’

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  • @Rurik

    fighting stupid feckless wars of aggression against people that never attacked us and never intended to.
     
    I agree Alexander, but we shouldn't be asking ss to pay for these wars he loves so much. We should be asking him to fight them.

    ss is an IDFer. And more than any other thing, the one certainty about an IDFer is cowardice.

    That is why he's here. His whole agenda is fixated on getting Americans to hate Muslims as much as he does, but more to the point, be willing to kill them for him. Because if ss is anything, it's a sniveling coward.

    They're great at shooting children with sniper rifles or blowing them up with ordinace from thousands of feet away while they're playing on a beach. But even in a tank, your typical IDFer is terrified of a 12 yr. with a with a rock. That's why bb just wrote a law that treats Palestinian boys with rocks as the same as a Mujahedeen with an AK. Because a boy with a rock or a girl with a pair of scissors terrifies ss and the others in the IDF. That's why they come to places like this to beg real men to go do their fighting for them. That's why they attacked the Liberty in such a cowardly way. To get real men to fight for them. That's why they did 911, because ss and his lot would pee themselves at the prospects of a fair fight.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De8g_LAHh_0

    His whole agenda is fixated on getting Americans to hate Muslims as much as he does, but more to the point, be willing to kill them for him.

    Rurik, when will the day come when someone, anyone, either in politics or the MSM will utter these words you’ve just written?

    Listen, I’ve already got two names (geokat62 and S2C) down on my Million Man March on DC, A Declaration of Indepedence from Israel, scheduled for 2017 (late in HK’s first term), do I have a third? Don’t forget, coffee is on me.

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  • @alexander
    Hi Jim,

    The United States is nearly "19 trillion "dollars in debt fighting stupid feckless wars of aggression against people that never attacked us and never intended to.

    If that is so cool with you..then" pay" for it....the whole way.

    You seem to enjoy Americans being "defrauded" out of trillions of dollars fighting them.
    You seem to enjoy creating "the hate" that makes that fraud possible.

    I don't.

    But if you like it so much..."pay for it"...... Now .

    Lets set up a "War Fraud Escrow Account" and make it retroactive to 2001.

    Every advocate for the Iraq war, like you , every newspaper, media outlet and backdoor billionaire who defrauded us out of the money...should cough it up..the whole way..with interest !

    Then, you know what, Jim, everybody can be happy this Christmas....not just you .


    You love your stupid wars....."pay for em"....you love your stupid "hate".. "pay for it" .As long as its" all "coming out of "your "pocket, you can "hate " and "make war" until you are blue in the face.

    But don't take that money from my children, my grand children and my great grandchildren.

    Take it from your own.

    Nobody should have to pay for your "hate"... and "fraud" ....and" war"...... but "you".


    "The War Fraud Escrow Account" is a very good start....the "W.F.E.A. "

    The greatest tool to counter "terror fraud" ever created.

    the target amount is the national debt and with interest that makes it a good solid "20 trillion" owed to the american people.

    " 20 trillion dollars " the " war defrauders" owe the American People...

    That is a lot of spaghetti.

    I think it should be the highest Priority of the next incoming president.

    The" highest" priority.

    "God speed to it"

    and" Merry Christmas" to all.

    fighting stupid feckless wars of aggression against people that never attacked us and never intended to.

    I agree Alexander, but we shouldn’t be asking ss to pay for these wars he loves so much. We should be asking him to fight them.

    ss is an IDFer. And more than any other thing, the one certainty about an IDFer is cowardice.

    That is why he’s here. His whole agenda is fixated on getting Americans to hate Muslims as much as he does, but more to the point, be willing to kill them for him. Because if ss is anything, it’s a sniveling coward.

    They’re great at shooting children with sniper rifles or blowing them up with ordinace from thousands of feet away while they’re playing on a beach. But even in a tank, your typical IDFer is terrified of a 12 yr. with a with a rock. That’s why bb just wrote a law that treats Palestinian boys with rocks as the same as a Mujahedeen with an AK. Because a boy with a rock or a girl with a pair of scissors terrifies ss and the others in the IDF. That’s why they come to places like this to beg real men to go do their fighting for them. That’s why they attacked the Liberty in such a cowardly way. To get real men to fight for them. That’s why they did 911, because ss and his lot would pee themselves at the prospects of a fair fight.

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    His whole agenda is fixated on getting Americans to hate Muslims as much as he does, but more to the point, be willing to kill them for him.
     
    Rurik, when will the day come when someone, anyone, either in politics or the MSM will utter these words you've just written?

    Listen, I've already got two names (geokat62 and S2C) down on my Million Man March on DC, A Declaration of Indepedence from Israel, scheduled for 2017 (late in HK's first term), do I have a third? Don't forget, coffee is on me.
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  • @geokat62
    Hi, JC. Basd on your last comment, I now know your true identity. Why you're none other than Tom Brady:

    Meanwhile, my New England Patriots sewed up the first round bye today. My beer is cold, my lobsters are tender and full and my cognac and my beautiful Brazilian woman await.
     
    Give my regards to Gisele, will you?

    Once again, spoken like a true (i.e., realistic) Christian:

    I believe in Christ, I believe in Israel. And anyone that fucks with my space gets a pair of .40SW rounds right through the cerebral cortex I dig on Taurus handguns...
     
    Sounds like you and Gisele will have no trouble fitting in with the other Israeli settlers once you decide to retire.

    I’m no Brady, but thanks. I was a receiver in a long ago past life. However, he IS the Greatest QB to EVER step onto a field. No disputing that. And he’s a handsome devil with a hot woman, plenty of dough and an excellent profession. I celebrate anyone that has life so completely by the neck.

    Brady has lots of security, many armed with the S&W .40, I’m sure. I however, do not, so I take care of my own. And Jesus would indeed approve.

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  • @geokat62
    Hi, JC. Basd on your last comment, I now know your true identity. Why you're none other than Tom Brady:

    Meanwhile, my New England Patriots sewed up the first round bye today. My beer is cold, my lobsters are tender and full and my cognac and my beautiful Brazilian woman await.
     
    Give my regards to Gisele, will you?

    Once again, spoken like a true (i.e., realistic) Christian:

    I believe in Christ, I believe in Israel. And anyone that fucks with my space gets a pair of .40SW rounds right through the cerebral cortex I dig on Taurus handguns...
     
    Sounds like you and Gisele will have no trouble fitting in with the other Israeli settlers once you decide to retire.

    Gee, a dissection of my post. I love it. And I don’t even think of you at all.

    Concerned about the debt? Stop the wars. I don’t advocate these wars. My thing is the immigration. And who exactly, speaking of debt, is going to pay for the Section 8 vouchers, food stamps, medical care and a salary via SSDI for all these Syrians, not to mention the future other immigrants that come in. We do not owe those folks this. It’s a vote-grab by Obama. And, coming to the voting polls near YOU, an executive order is on the way granting everyone that shows up the right to vote without regard to citizenship. That’s the “why” of loosie-goosie immigration policy of late. They’re all Democrats. Now, I don’t advocate war overseas, never have. No sense in dropping even one more bomb overseas when the threat is here. That would save lots of dough. And, I want the immigration stopped. That saves lots of dough.

    Why the diatribe on me when I don’t spend the money I have no idea. All these wars are bullshit, from Vietnam onward. And no President ever says no. Well, ok, Jack and Bob Kennedy said no to Vietnam, look where that got THEM. And ever after, one bullshit war after another. The frightful waste of life, the treasure wasted, the hatred against us built and for what? So Lockheed/Martin and the rest can get richer. That’s the deal. Follow the money, the who (or is it whom?) it is that profits and their effect on foreign policy and you’ll know why we have wars. It ain’t rocket science.

    My grrrl is not Giselle. A simple, tiny, thin Brazilian lass of German descent, she speaks Portuguese and hails from a small farming village on the sea. Untouched by the stain of American-style feminism, you should find a nice foreign woman, A South American, an Asian lady. An excellent cause for men would be to destroy feminism. American women have gotten too greedy, too nasty, too too entitled and all the while, they aren’t smarter, stronger, nor productive on any level. Ok, ok, unless you consider their capacity to be offended. That, they’re the champs of the world. American women are SO not worth your time. What went wrong in this country? Feminism. And THEY were going to stop the wars. Remember? Suuuure they were.

    And I’ll be staying right here in the States. Doesn’t get any better than that. Now, if you trust the police, if you want to be a wuss and be unprepared, enjoy your self-righteousness. And Israel will be fine. I am content to cheerlead from afar.

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  • @ben tillman

    No, they don’t believe that. The false flag terrorist attacks are not “just for the hell of it”. They advance an agenda.
     
    And what would that be? With 9/11, it was obvious -- so, obvious that an intelligent person's default belief wold be that the PNACkers were involved in some way. But San Bernardino?

    No, they don’t believe that. The false flag terrorist attacks are not “just for the hell of it”. They advance an agenda.

    And what would that be?

    Ben, when I say they have an agenda, this does not automatically imply that I know what that agenda is!

    Now, I guess, we can say some very general things. If we step back from this a bit, we can say that this series of dodgy events of which this is a part — it constitutes a strategy of tension, you could say. They create a sense of crisis, of threat, of urgency. And thus, this sense that something must be done about it.

    Now, actually, in the U.S.A., over 40 thousand people die in traffic accidents every year and hardly anybody gives a damn. (Well, if it happens to somebody they know, yes, but that is basically just attributed to bad luck…) Nobody creates any great sense of urgency over it. And that’s over a hundred people ever day!

    But these events, in any case, are psy-ops. 9/11 was a psy-op. The purpose is to alter the mass psychology in a way that can be exploited for a given agenda, yes. But again, my saying that does not imply that I know for absolutely sure what the agenda is!

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  • @bomag
    Most people, when they say "white", mean "not black". Unless someone is distinctly African American, the default is to see them as white.

    The number discrepancy is interesting, but if a conspiracy is so complete that it has totally co-opted local and fed law enforcement, they could easily have piled up the proper number of bullet riddled bodies to allay such suspicions; and if the conspirators are so secret and all powerful that they let this number discrepancy stand just to mock us, why even run the event in the first place? The conspirators can evidently get and do whatever they want, so these events must just be for their entertainment.

    “Most people, when they say “white”, mean “not black”. Unless someone is distinctly African American, the default is to see them as white.”

    There is a scene in the film Street Kings where a gang beats up Keanu Reeves in the parking lot and they refer to him as a White boy while attacking him. Keanu is Mixed Race in real life.

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  • @Jim Christian
    If I'm on the payroll, will someone please send me a check? It's Christmas for cryin' out loud. I'm a realist. I call em as I see em. Problem YOU have Robin is, I am correct. YOU are wrong. You and all your ilk. You're wrong. You and your ilk will live with the crash and degradation of the society that provided comfort to the world. May they eat you and your ilk first. And no one paid me to say it.

    Meanwhile, my New England Patriots sewed up the first round bye today. My beer is cold, my lobsters are tender and full and my cognac and my beautiful Brazilian woman await. My little slice of civilization is intact in this Christmas season. I believe in Christ, I believe in Israel. And anyone that fucks with my space gets a pair of .40SW rounds right through the cerebral cortex I dig on Taurus handguns, how about you, Twinkie? Because I, unlike all of you who have no interest in the world I and my people built for you, I am one who believes in defending my space.

    And for you now? Go. Be you. All you Muslim lobbyists. Be useful. Go to the beach, sit down, calm down and count the sand. Every fucking grain of it. It may be one useful function for a Muslim, assuming he isn't burying I.E.D's. After all, the Arabs invented the Abacus. Count in tens to the 40th power. Then, get back to us when you have a number. And remember, Geokat. Eat a goat. I don't think of you at all. You are as nothing. Really, to anyone. Try to get the Muslim accent out of your shitty writing would you? It wouldn't help your case, but your psychosis would be clarified to a more civilized level.

    Hi, JC. Basd on your last comment, I now know your true identity. Why you’re none other than Tom Brady:

    Meanwhile, my New England Patriots sewed up the first round bye today. My beer is cold, my lobsters are tender and full and my cognac and my beautiful Brazilian woman await.

    Give my regards to Gisele, will you?

    Once again, spoken like a true (i.e., realistic) Christian:

    I believe in Christ, I believe in Israel. And anyone that fucks with my space gets a pair of .40SW rounds right through the cerebral cortex I dig on Taurus handguns…

    Sounds like you and Gisele will have no trouble fitting in with the other Israeli settlers once you decide to retire.

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    Gee, a dissection of my post. I love it. And I don't even think of you at all.

    Concerned about the debt? Stop the wars. I don't advocate these wars. My thing is the immigration. And who exactly, speaking of debt, is going to pay for the Section 8 vouchers, food stamps, medical care and a salary via SSDI for all these Syrians, not to mention the future other immigrants that come in. We do not owe those folks this. It's a vote-grab by Obama. And, coming to the voting polls near YOU, an executive order is on the way granting everyone that shows up the right to vote without regard to citizenship. That's the "why" of loosie-goosie immigration policy of late. They're all Democrats. Now, I don't advocate war overseas, never have. No sense in dropping even one more bomb overseas when the threat is here. That would save lots of dough. And, I want the immigration stopped. That saves lots of dough.

    Why the diatribe on me when I don't spend the money I have no idea. All these wars are bullshit, from Vietnam onward. And no President ever says no. Well, ok, Jack and Bob Kennedy said no to Vietnam, look where that got THEM. And ever after, one bullshit war after another. The frightful waste of life, the treasure wasted, the hatred against us built and for what? So Lockheed/Martin and the rest can get richer. That's the deal. Follow the money, the who (or is it whom?) it is that profits and their effect on foreign policy and you'll know why we have wars. It ain't rocket science.

    My grrrl is not Giselle. A simple, tiny, thin Brazilian lass of German descent, she speaks Portuguese and hails from a small farming village on the sea. Untouched by the stain of American-style feminism, you should find a nice foreign woman, A South American, an Asian lady. An excellent cause for men would be to destroy feminism. American women have gotten too greedy, too nasty, too too entitled and all the while, they aren't smarter, stronger, nor productive on any level. Ok, ok, unless you consider their capacity to be offended. That, they're the champs of the world. American women are SO not worth your time. What went wrong in this country? Feminism. And THEY were going to stop the wars. Remember? Suuuure they were.

    And I'll be staying right here in the States. Doesn't get any better than that. Now, if you trust the police, if you want to be a wuss and be unprepared, enjoy your self-righteousness. And Israel will be fine. I am content to cheerlead from afar.
    , @Jim Christian
    I'm no Brady, but thanks. I was a receiver in a long ago past life. However, he IS the Greatest QB to EVER step onto a field. No disputing that. And he's a handsome devil with a hot woman, plenty of dough and an excellent profession. I celebrate anyone that has life so completely by the neck.

    Brady has lots of security, many armed with the S&W .40, I'm sure. I however, do not, so I take care of my own. And Jesus would indeed approve.
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  • @RobinG
    What is MFA?

    Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, better known as Hasbara Central.

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  • @Jim Christian
    If I'm on the payroll, will someone please send me a check? It's Christmas for cryin' out loud. I'm a realist. I call em as I see em. Problem YOU have Robin is, I am correct. YOU are wrong. You and all your ilk. You're wrong. You and your ilk will live with the crash and degradation of the society that provided comfort to the world. May they eat you and your ilk first. And no one paid me to say it.

    Meanwhile, my New England Patriots sewed up the first round bye today. My beer is cold, my lobsters are tender and full and my cognac and my beautiful Brazilian woman await. My little slice of civilization is intact in this Christmas season. I believe in Christ, I believe in Israel. And anyone that fucks with my space gets a pair of .40SW rounds right through the cerebral cortex I dig on Taurus handguns, how about you, Twinkie? Because I, unlike all of you who have no interest in the world I and my people built for you, I am one who believes in defending my space.

    And for you now? Go. Be you. All you Muslim lobbyists. Be useful. Go to the beach, sit down, calm down and count the sand. Every fucking grain of it. It may be one useful function for a Muslim, assuming he isn't burying I.E.D's. After all, the Arabs invented the Abacus. Count in tens to the 40th power. Then, get back to us when you have a number. And remember, Geokat. Eat a goat. I don't think of you at all. You are as nothing. Really, to anyone. Try to get the Muslim accent out of your shitty writing would you? It wouldn't help your case, but your psychosis would be clarified to a more civilized level.

    Hi Jim,

    The United States is nearly “19 trillion “dollars in debt fighting stupid feckless wars of aggression against people that never attacked us and never intended to.

    If that is so cool with you..then” pay” for it….the whole way.

    You seem to enjoy Americans being “defrauded” out of trillions of dollars fighting them.
    You seem to enjoy creating “the hate” that makes that fraud possible.

    I don’t.

    But if you like it so much…”pay for it”…… Now .

    Lets set up a “War Fraud Escrow Account” and make it retroactive to 2001.

    Every advocate for the Iraq war, like you , every newspaper, media outlet and backdoor billionaire who defrauded us out of the money…should cough it up..the whole way..with interest !

    Then, you know what, Jim, everybody can be happy this Christmas….not just you .

    You love your stupid wars…..”pay for em”….you love your stupid “hate”.. “pay for it” .As long as its” all “coming out of “your “pocket, you can “hate ” and “make war” until you are blue in the face.

    But don’t take that money from my children, my grand children and my great grandchildren.

    Take it from your own.

    Nobody should have to pay for your “hate”… and “fraud” ….and” war”…… but “you”.

    “The War Fraud Escrow Account” is a very good start….the “W.F.E.A. ”

    The greatest tool to counter “terror fraud” ever created.

    the target amount is the national debt and with interest that makes it a good solid “20 trillion” owed to the american people.

    ” 20 trillion dollars ” the ” war defrauders” owe the American People…

    That is a lot of spaghetti.

    I think it should be the highest Priority of the next incoming president.

    The” highest” priority.

    “God speed to it”

    and” Merry Christmas” to all.

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    fighting stupid feckless wars of aggression against people that never attacked us and never intended to.
     
    I agree Alexander, but we shouldn't be asking ss to pay for these wars he loves so much. We should be asking him to fight them.

    ss is an IDFer. And more than any other thing, the one certainty about an IDFer is cowardice.

    That is why he's here. His whole agenda is fixated on getting Americans to hate Muslims as much as he does, but more to the point, be willing to kill them for him. Because if ss is anything, it's a sniveling coward.

    They're great at shooting children with sniper rifles or blowing them up with ordinace from thousands of feet away while they're playing on a beach. But even in a tank, your typical IDFer is terrified of a 12 yr. with a with a rock. That's why bb just wrote a law that treats Palestinian boys with rocks as the same as a Mujahedeen with an AK. Because a boy with a rock or a girl with a pair of scissors terrifies ss and the others in the IDF. That's why they come to places like this to beg real men to go do their fighting for them. That's why they attacked the Liberty in such a cowardly way. To get real men to fight for them. That's why they did 911, because ss and his lot would pee themselves at the prospects of a fair fight.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De8g_LAHh_0
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  • @RobinG
    "Psycho."

    Who, Bibi or Kristol?

    That was addressed to you, Robin. You silly bitch.

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  • @geokat62

    You may now return to your regularly scheduled propaganda. profanity and anti-Semitic rants and rage.
     
    Hi, JC. You have to admit, I had you pegged from the start:

    What are good friend Jesus Christ I mean Jim Christian intentionally left out of this sentence is the word “valuable” as in: Israel performs a valuable service to the greater ME… by killing Pals.

    As I’ve indicated before, based on the style and content of his posts, JC is clearly on the payroll of the MFA.

    While these guys are relentless, they are also clueless. They think the goy are too dumb to see past their fake monikers and their diatribes against Islam. Their biggest challenge is to post comments that defends the Zionist project without coming off sounding like a hasbarat. Unfortunately for them, this is like squaring the circle.
     

    If I’m on the payroll, will someone please send me a check? It’s Christmas for cryin’ out loud. I’m a realist. I call em as I see em. Problem YOU have Robin is, I am correct. YOU are wrong. You and all your ilk. You’re wrong. You and your ilk will live with the crash and degradation of the society that provided comfort to the world. May they eat you and your ilk first. And no one paid me to say it.

    Meanwhile, my New England Patriots sewed up the first round bye today. My beer is cold, my lobsters are tender and full and my cognac and my beautiful Brazilian woman await. My little slice of civilization is intact in this Christmas season. I believe in Christ, I believe in Israel. And anyone that fucks with my space gets a pair of .40SW rounds right through the cerebral cortex I dig on Taurus handguns, how about you, Twinkie? Because I, unlike all of you who have no interest in the world I and my people built for you, I am one who believes in defending my space.

    And for you now? Go. Be you. All you Muslim lobbyists. Be useful. Go to the beach, sit down, calm down and count the sand. Every fucking grain of it. It may be one useful function for a Muslim, assuming he isn’t burying I.E.D’s. After all, the Arabs invented the Abacus. Count in tens to the 40th power. Then, get back to us when you have a number. And remember, Geokat. Eat a goat. I don’t think of you at all. You are as nothing. Really, to anyone. Try to get the Muslim accent out of your shitty writing would you? It wouldn’t help your case, but your psychosis would be clarified to a more civilized level.

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    Hi Jim,

    The United States is nearly "19 trillion "dollars in debt fighting stupid feckless wars of aggression against people that never attacked us and never intended to.

    If that is so cool with you..then" pay" for it....the whole way.

    You seem to enjoy Americans being "defrauded" out of trillions of dollars fighting them.
    You seem to enjoy creating "the hate" that makes that fraud possible.

    I don't.

    But if you like it so much..."pay for it"...... Now .

    Lets set up a "War Fraud Escrow Account" and make it retroactive to 2001.

    Every advocate for the Iraq war, like you , every newspaper, media outlet and backdoor billionaire who defrauded us out of the money...should cough it up..the whole way..with interest !

    Then, you know what, Jim, everybody can be happy this Christmas....not just you .


    You love your stupid wars....."pay for em"....you love your stupid "hate".. "pay for it" .As long as its" all "coming out of "your "pocket, you can "hate " and "make war" until you are blue in the face.

    But don't take that money from my children, my grand children and my great grandchildren.

    Take it from your own.

    Nobody should have to pay for your "hate"... and "fraud" ....and" war"...... but "you".


    "The War Fraud Escrow Account" is a very good start....the "W.F.E.A. "

    The greatest tool to counter "terror fraud" ever created.

    the target amount is the national debt and with interest that makes it a good solid "20 trillion" owed to the american people.

    " 20 trillion dollars " the " war defrauders" owe the American People...

    That is a lot of spaghetti.

    I think it should be the highest Priority of the next incoming president.

    The" highest" priority.

    "God speed to it"

    and" Merry Christmas" to all.
    , @geokat62
    Hi, JC. Basd on your last comment, I now know your true identity. Why you're none other than Tom Brady:

    Meanwhile, my New England Patriots sewed up the first round bye today. My beer is cold, my lobsters are tender and full and my cognac and my beautiful Brazilian woman await.
     
    Give my regards to Gisele, will you?

    Once again, spoken like a true (i.e., realistic) Christian:

    I believe in Christ, I believe in Israel. And anyone that fucks with my space gets a pair of .40SW rounds right through the cerebral cortex I dig on Taurus handguns...
     
    Sounds like you and Gisele will have no trouble fitting in with the other Israeli settlers once you decide to retire.
    , @Clyde

    And for you now? Go. Be you. All you Muslim lobbyists.
     
    Can you think of anything stupider? To be a Muslim apologist? They know knowing about the imperialist history of Islam going all the way back to the false prophet who was a mass killer and terrorist. Just a bunch of silly marijuana addled white boy lefties and libertarians. Oh...... And don't forget the anti-war banners they wave except when it comes to Iran nuking Israel. What phony dumbasses.
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  • @geokat62

    You may now return to your regularly scheduled propaganda. profanity and anti-Semitic rants and rage.
     
    Hi, JC. You have to admit, I had you pegged from the start:

    What are good friend Jesus Christ I mean Jim Christian intentionally left out of this sentence is the word “valuable” as in: Israel performs a valuable service to the greater ME… by killing Pals.

    As I’ve indicated before, based on the style and content of his posts, JC is clearly on the payroll of the MFA.

    While these guys are relentless, they are also clueless. They think the goy are too dumb to see past their fake monikers and their diatribes against Islam. Their biggest challenge is to post comments that defends the Zionist project without coming off sounding like a hasbarat. Unfortunately for them, this is like squaring the circle.
     

    What is MFA?

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    Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, better known as Hasbara Central.
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  • @Mr. Anon
    "the reason alot of the theories regarding those building having alot of followers is because those buildings just collapsed waaaaay too neatly. about as good as controlled demolitions."

    No, they didn't. People base thier (ignorant and baseless) opinion on one YouTube video taken from one side. You know why buildings mostly fall straight down? Becuase that's the way the force due to gravity points.

    "don’t blame people from having doubts. never relegate them to conspiracy nuts, it is completely reasonable from all the available videos."

    They are conspiracy nuts. What else am I to make of them?

    after snowden? I believe the so called conspiracy nuts more than our govt.

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  • @Jim Christian
    Conspiracies, conspiracies. Muslim lobby all over the editorials/articles and reports' comments sections. Or, in the case of articles critical of the Muslim POTUS (His Father was Muslim, HE is Muslim, I believe in respecting tradition), White House Communications interns, slanting, stirring, trolling in the Post, the NYT, the Chicago Tribune, here, I suspect. I especially love the Jew Haters and their long, rambling and insane diatribes against Israel, their Muslim bent showing in their lousy writing, grammar and accented sentence structure. All to silence, obfuscate and obscure and defend exactly what it is that Muslims do, all of it evil, nothing beneficial to mankind. From Muslims, no great inventions, no feats of agriculture, a complete inability to make use of modern technology of the basest sort except tools of murder and destruction, dependent on Americans and Jews and Germans and Europeans for their every necessity and luxury alike.

    Hate the Muslims? Nah, I feel sorry for most of them. Low IQ, incapable of life in the first world and so they hate. They do murder. Even with no infidels around, they murder each other. Equipped with the finest weaponry, they drop and surrender, but at least they're pragmatic. Nonetheless, they murder their daughters over "honor" (Muslims have no honor, the Koran gives them permission to lie after all), they murder their sisters, their wives, they castrate and mutilate their own daughters. Muslims have MAJOR sexual issues with their women, young children and animals. Hell, most of the Koran (or whatever you want to call the comic book of Islam) is about all the ways Muslim men get to rape women and young girls with permission of Allah. The beheading, the depravity, the destruction, dishonor between even Muslim men is despicable and none of it can be denied. This is not propaganda, this is life in the Muslim world and even better, they wish to infect the rest of the world.

    And I really love the Fatwa which makes everything really flexible so evils may be instituted to fit the scenario. There's more, a lot more, but nothing that changes the basic picture. The above is modern Muslim culture. And I'm told that it used to be worse five centuries back. Hope it all works out somehow, but in all this time, they still wish to go back to the stone age. Suits me, go. Be. Enjoy.

    You may now return to your regularly scheduled propaganda. profanity and anti-Semitic rants and rage..

    You may now return to your regularly scheduled propaganda. profanity and anti-Semitic rants and rage.

    Hi, JC. You have to admit, I had you pegged from the start:

    What are good friend Jesus Christ I mean Jim Christian intentionally left out of this sentence is the word “valuable” as in: Israel performs a valuable service to the greater ME… by killing Pals.

    As I’ve indicated before, based on the style and content of his posts, JC is clearly on the payroll of the MFA.

    While these guys are relentless, they are also clueless. They think the goy are too dumb to see past their fake monikers and their diatribes against Islam. Their biggest challenge is to post comments that defends the Zionist project without coming off sounding like a hasbarat. Unfortunately for them, this is like squaring the circle.

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    What is MFA?
    , @Jim Christian
    If I'm on the payroll, will someone please send me a check? It's Christmas for cryin' out loud. I'm a realist. I call em as I see em. Problem YOU have Robin is, I am correct. YOU are wrong. You and all your ilk. You're wrong. You and your ilk will live with the crash and degradation of the society that provided comfort to the world. May they eat you and your ilk first. And no one paid me to say it.

    Meanwhile, my New England Patriots sewed up the first round bye today. My beer is cold, my lobsters are tender and full and my cognac and my beautiful Brazilian woman await. My little slice of civilization is intact in this Christmas season. I believe in Christ, I believe in Israel. And anyone that fucks with my space gets a pair of .40SW rounds right through the cerebral cortex I dig on Taurus handguns, how about you, Twinkie? Because I, unlike all of you who have no interest in the world I and my people built for you, I am one who believes in defending my space.

    And for you now? Go. Be you. All you Muslim lobbyists. Be useful. Go to the beach, sit down, calm down and count the sand. Every fucking grain of it. It may be one useful function for a Muslim, assuming he isn't burying I.E.D's. After all, the Arabs invented the Abacus. Count in tens to the 40th power. Then, get back to us when you have a number. And remember, Geokat. Eat a goat. I don't think of you at all. You are as nothing. Really, to anyone. Try to get the Muslim accent out of your shitty writing would you? It wouldn't help your case, but your psychosis would be clarified to a more civilized level.

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  • @Mark Green
    'Jim Christian' (is that really your name?). 'Christian'. How ironic. Your rhetoric sounds like it was scripted in Israel.

    Why do you hate Muslims so? After all, it's Zio-Washington that has initiated most of the violence in that region. When you count the bodies in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan (and even tally the American victims of 911) the kill-ratio favors us 'good guys' by about 1000 to one. Isn't that enough?

    Why aren't you just a little bit cynical about (and a bit more critical) of Zio-Washington's trigger-happy policies in the Middle East? After all, our glorious plans haven't gone very well. Might not negotiated, political solutions suit America's interests best?

    Why are you so hell-bent on supporting Zionist-friendly wars of aggression?

    And why are you committed to rejecting the evidence-rich hypothesis of a deliberate, Israeli sneak attack on the USS Liberty?

    After all, the surviving crew members of the Liberty are convinced that Israel's assault was no accident. Does that not give you pause?--or are all the Liberty survivors all just a bunch of pathetic Jew haters?

    It's not as if Israel doesn't (1) commit espionage against the US and (2) still get virtually everything that it wants from Washington. Is this so-called 'special relationship' not lopsided and unhealthy?

    Does not a relationship of this kind provide Israel with a virtual 'license to kill'? The evidence suggests so.

    So again: why do you love the Zionists so blindly and detest Muslims so intensely? Your political emotions seem unbalanced.

    Until Zio-Washington wiped out Libya and Iraq (and destabilized Syria), there was not only no Muslim 'refugee crisis' whatsoever, but Iraq and Libya were both intact, stable and rising powers. Now they're disaster zones. And one million people are dead. Any regrets?

    Of equal importance: we Christians are implored to seek peace and show compassion. So what fills your heart with such venom? Why have you no compassion for all the innocents who have suffered at our hands?

    Why do you seek more destruction, more enmity--not less?

    After all, no Arab state could harm the US even if it wanted to. Yet you still favor political violence.

    Are you channeling Israel's anxieties and aspirations? You seem to be.

    Why do you have such hatred for Rurik and critics of America's militant, pro-Zionist status quo? Have not Zio-Washington's policies and wars been a disaster for millions?

    Therefore, I wonder why you do you not show any interest in cutting a deal (between Israel and Palestine), deescalating regional Mideast tensions, and achieving 'peace and prosperity' without bloodshed?

    Shouldn't that humane objective be standard US policy?

    You, 'Mr. Christian', have the odor of an Israeli troll. But even if you're not an Israeli, you are still a violence-loving scumbag.

    Why should Americans care one way or another if Israel gets to keep ALL of Jerusalem or maintain its nuclear monopoly? BFD. That's their problem.

    Most Americans couldn't care less about Israel. Let the Jewish supremacists fight their own stinking wars.

    In a normal (Zionist-free) world, Iran's acquisition of a nuclear deterrent should hold about as much interest to the average American as does Pakistan's ongoing nuclear 'balance of terror' with India.

    But undue Zionist influence in America and Europe has cemented an artificial 'alliance' that serves one party only. This is a colossal 'top-down' fraud. America and the West are being used. I recommend Alison Weir's brilliant book, 'Against our Better Judgement', for those out there who want to better understand how militant Israel embedded itself into the Western world. Israel's plan and execution was nothing short of diabolical.

    So let's be clear: this unnatural condition is the product of corrupt scheming combined with wholesale duplicity at the very highest levels. Zionism has hardened into an abject expression of racial fanaticism and uncompromising political ruthlessness. This unconditional 'alliance' has caused immeasurable harm.

    We Americans actually have no dog in this fight. But you, Mr. Christian, seem to. You openly favor a policy of Muslim eradication. Thanks for sharing. Again, you come across like a hardcore Israeli.

    What if Americans refuse to care about your shitty little country way over yonder? Should it be a crime? You act as if it should be. But why shouldn't America be neutral?

    Have not the Israelis and their lobbyists drained our treasury and compromised America's long-term interests in the Middle East?

    Have they also not undermined our nation's sovereignty?

    Undeniably, YES. Zionism has become a plague.

    It's also well-known that no other country commits as much espionage against the US as does 'friendly' Israel. Curious, no? Even Reagan complained about this. And conditions in Washington have only since 'improved' for Israel in recent decades. This is more bad news.

    Indeed, the Israelis have totally penetrated our government and even our intelligence services.

    How about Zio-Washington's war on Iraq? Israel's numerous US-based lobbies uniformly supported (and pushed for) Washington's 2003 annihilation of that secular country. Do you think it was a smart move and a wise investment? So far it's cost America nearly two trillion dollars.

    Why do you detest the victims of Zio-American aggression, but not the architects?

    Lastly, if a compelling case could be made that invading Israel and killing one million Jews was in America's long-term political interest, would you support such a war?

    Your presence on this site is a small-scale abomination; not unlike the larger, parasitic relationship enjoyed by your favorite country inside of Washington. Please slither away.

    Conspiracies, conspiracies. Muslim lobby all over the editorials/articles and reports’ comments sections. Or, in the case of articles critical of the Muslim POTUS (His Father was Muslim, HE is Muslim, I believe in respecting tradition), White House Communications interns, slanting, stirring, trolling in the Post, the NYT, the Chicago Tribune, here, I suspect. I especially love the Jew Haters and their long, rambling and insane diatribes against Israel, their Muslim bent showing in their lousy writing, grammar and accented sentence structure. All to silence, obfuscate and obscure and defend exactly what it is that Muslims do, all of it evil, nothing beneficial to mankind. From Muslims, no great inventions, no feats of agriculture, a complete inability to make use of modern technology of the basest sort except tools of murder and destruction, dependent on Americans and Jews and Germans and Europeans for their every necessity and luxury alike.

    Hate the Muslims? Nah, I feel sorry for most of them. Low IQ, incapable of life in the first world and so they hate. They do murder. Even with no infidels around, they murder each other. Equipped with the finest weaponry, they drop and surrender, but at least they’re pragmatic. Nonetheless, they murder their daughters over “honor” (Muslims have no honor, the Koran gives them permission to lie after all), they murder their sisters, their wives, they castrate and mutilate their own daughters. Muslims have MAJOR sexual issues with their women, young children and animals. Hell, most of the Koran (or whatever you want to call the comic book of Islam) is about all the ways Muslim men get to rape women and young girls with permission of Allah. The beheading, the depravity, the destruction, dishonor between even Muslim men is despicable and none of it can be denied. This is not propaganda, this is life in the Muslim world and even better, they wish to infect the rest of the world.

    And I really love the Fatwa which makes everything really flexible so evils may be instituted to fit the scenario. There’s more, a lot more, but nothing that changes the basic picture. The above is modern Muslim culture. And I’m told that it used to be worse five centuries back. Hope it all works out somehow, but in all this time, they still wish to go back to the stone age. Suits me, go. Be. Enjoy.

    You may now return to your regularly scheduled propaganda. profanity and anti-Semitic rants and rage..

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    You may now return to your regularly scheduled propaganda. profanity and anti-Semitic rants and rage.
     
    Hi, JC. You have to admit, I had you pegged from the start:

    What are good friend Jesus Christ I mean Jim Christian intentionally left out of this sentence is the word “valuable” as in: Israel performs a valuable service to the greater ME… by killing Pals.

    As I’ve indicated before, based on the style and content of his posts, JC is clearly on the payroll of the MFA.

    While these guys are relentless, they are also clueless. They think the goy are too dumb to see past their fake monikers and their diatribes against Islam. Their biggest challenge is to post comments that defends the Zionist project without coming off sounding like a hasbarat. Unfortunately for them, this is like squaring the circle.
     
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  • @vinteuil
    Can we look forward to a front page post by Lyndon Larouche, sometime soon?

    Or, better yet, David Icke?

    I’d rather be a Larouchite or an Icke follower than be gay.

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  • @annamaria
    No more questions and no more comments.

    You aren’t rational, so where peanuts and bananas don’t feed the monkeys and yard apes, I tend to leave the Zoo.

    Or insane asylum. That’s your contribution to Unz, AnnaMarie.

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  • @Mark Green
    Thank you! I'd love to get together. I'm in Calif so let me know if you're ever out in the LA area.

    Sounds good, Mark.

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    Mr. North and Mr. Roberts seem to believe that our government practices false flags for the hell of it.
     
    No, they don't believe that. The false flag terrorist attacks are not "just for the hell of it". They advance an agenda.

    No, they don’t believe that. The false flag terrorist attacks are not “just for the hell of it”. They advance an agenda.

    And what would that be? With 9/11, it was obvious — so, obvious that an intelligent person’s default belief wold be that the PNACkers were involved in some way. But San Bernardino?

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    No, they don’t believe that. The false flag terrorist attacks are not “just for the hell of it”. They advance an agenda.

     

    And what would that be?
     
    Ben, when I say they have an agenda, this does not automatically imply that I know what that agenda is!

    Now, I guess, we can say some very general things. If we step back from this a bit, we can say that this series of dodgy events of which this is a part -- it constitutes a strategy of tension, you could say. They create a sense of crisis, of threat, of urgency. And thus, this sense that something must be done about it.

    Now, actually, in the U.S.A., over 40 thousand people die in traffic accidents every year and hardly anybody gives a damn. (Well, if it happens to somebody they know, yes, but that is basically just attributed to bad luck...) Nobody creates any great sense of urgency over it. And that's over a hundred people ever day!

    But these events, in any case, are psy-ops. 9/11 was a psy-op. The purpose is to alter the mass psychology in a way that can be exploited for a given agenda, yes. But again, my saying that does not imply that I know for absolutely sure what the agenda is!
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  • @Ft
    Again one can hype up. This is not qualitative but quanta give.
    Y2 K was tackled by government and private resources and the resources used were not small in magnitude.
    AIDS had the potential but for the education and th treatment

    AIDS had the potential but for the education and th treatment

    I can’t believe I am taking Aaron Gross’s side of an argument, but he is right, and you are wrong about heterosexual AIDS. Transmission from woman to man is simply to inefficient to allow the HIV to spread.

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  • @geokat62
    Once again, extremely well put.

    btw - if you keep this up, Mark, I'll have no choice but to add you to my free coffee list in DC, as a spot has recently been vacated... sorry, Fran.

    Thank you! I’d love to get together. I’m in Calif so let me know if you’re ever out in the LA area.

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    Sounds good, Mark.
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  • @alexander
    Perhaps we should consider where we will be, by the year 2018 ?


    Will our governments profligate spending on Wars of aggression against nations that never attacked us...thrust our (already) obscene national debt over the 20 trillion dollar mark.?

    Will Israel have finally succeeded in exterminating Palestine and the Palestinian people,in much the same way Hitler exterminated the Jewish people ?

    Will the New York Times , The Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal all unanimously support an AIPAC sponsored bill before congress making it a" criminal offense" to be an "honest eyewitness"at any "Terror event attributed to Muslims "?

    Will the US government spend 200 billion dollars to build a "giant wall" around the United States ?
    Will it be named ......... "The Wall of Heroes" ?

    Will the no-bid contract to build it , mysteriously go to the Israeli construction companies that built the "apartheid wall/ separation fence" in Israel ?...

    Will the "actual" cost to build it be 50 billion dollars, resulting in a "150 billion" dollar net profit for Israel, and 150 billion dollars in additional debt for the USA ?

    Will the Office of Accountability that points out what a big rip off this is, be mysteriously shut down due to "budget tightening '?

    Will there be another bizarre"terrorist event on US shores sometime in 2017 ....this time attributed to Hezbollah?

    Will that be the catalyst for the US spending another 3 to 4 trillion dollars on a new " Heroic "War with the "terror sponsor "Iran ?

    After the war ensues,will the Israeli company that built" the Wall of Heroes" be re- contracted to build it even higher ?

    At twice the cost,....... because its so high ?

    Will all good Americans who believe that " fraud is evil' become really really poor and destitute ?

    Will all those who believe" Fraud is good" become really rich and powerful?


    Will the last known survivor of the USS Liberty be "finally" granted a "prime time interview" with Barbara Walters......

    Only to be mysteriously run over by a "white van owned by a moving company" while crossing the street on the way to the station ?


    I guess only time will tell.

    Re. 2018–

    One panel at the RT #10 Moscow conference (at which Phil Giraldi was a presenter) was about international media. The journalist from India asserts that the Western media (BBC, CNN, et al) hegemony was instrumental in the 2003 US invasion of Iraq. He further asserts that this hegemony is being broken, and that in the near future India will be the hub of international journalism. Important point — he questions whether there could have been a 2003 invasion if there had been an objective international media.

    Of course the 2 BBC panelists squirm and deny their complicity and claim objectivity, but the thought meme is out of the bag. (Later on, the Indian guy says some pretty dumb things about private vs. public media, so I’s not holding him up as any savant.)

    Role of intl news media on new geopolitical chessboard (#RT10 Panel Discussion)

    So, 2018. Maybe the “New York Times , The Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal” will be less influential. And as for the Israeli’s, perhaps by 2021 they will no longer be a ‘Jewish state’.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Yesterday I attended the memorial service for Michael Wetzel, of Lake Arrowhead, who was killed in the San Bernardino mass shooting. There were 500-1000 people present in a large gymnasium. Michaell was evidently one of the most well-known and best loved people in his community. His father, wife, two of his children, two ministers who have knowin him since childhood and three of his co-workers all gave moving memorial addresses. The whole audience was in tears. I never felt so much genuine emotion in my life. It is an absurdity, a stupidity and a sacrilege to suggest that his death was “fake”. My opinion is that the shootings were done by hired professional killers (three large white men, according to all witnesses) and the alleged terrorists were a normal couple with a job and a baby who were set up as patsies by the FBI, who have spent the last two weeks fabricating a totally phony background for them. Marquez is a stone-obviousl FBI stool pigeon who is singing whatever tune the FBI tells him to sing. It was a set-up, BUT the deaths were real. That memorial service was very, very real. An entire community is in mourning, and anyone suggesting otherwise deeply discredits the truth movement.

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  • @anonymous
    I'm having trouble making sense of these eyewitness reports. Spree shooter Seung-Hoi Cho killed thirty-two in the Virginia Tech massacre all by himself. It doesn't take much to kill a bunch of unarmed ordinary people gathered together. Why would it take three 'tall, athletically built white men' dressed in tactical clothing as if going to war to kill a mere fourteen? Three could do much more than that. Perhaps these 'eyewitnesses' superimposed prior memories from television shows onto their perceptions. If only the area around the eyes were visible then one couldn't tell from a distance if they were white, Hispanic, Middle Eastern or even light-skinned blacks.

    Hi anonymous,

    Perhaps I can refer you to my comment number 132.(in response to” Vendetta”) on this comments page…..
    or an earlier one….comment number 189.( in response to Mr.Unz ) in the comment section of Mr Giraldi’s December 8 article ” Conspiracy theories and San Bernardino”.

    Maybe they will help ?

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I’m having trouble making sense of these eyewitness reports. Spree shooter Seung-Hoi Cho killed thirty-two in the Virginia Tech massacre all by himself. It doesn’t take much to kill a bunch of unarmed ordinary people gathered together. Why would it take three ‘tall, athletically built white men’ dressed in tactical clothing as if going to war to kill a mere fourteen? Three could do much more than that. Perhaps these ‘eyewitnesses’ superimposed prior memories from television shows onto their perceptions. If only the area around the eyes were visible then one couldn’t tell from a distance if they were white, Hispanic, Middle Eastern or even light-skinned blacks.

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    Hi anonymous,

    Perhaps I can refer you to my comment number 132.(in response to" Vendetta") on this comments page.....
    or an earlier one....comment number 189.( in response to Mr.Unz ) in the comment section of Mr Giraldi's December 8 article " Conspiracy theories and San Bernardino".


    Maybe they will help ?
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  • @Mark Green
    'Jim Christian' (is that really your name?). 'Christian'. How ironic. Your rhetoric sounds like it was scripted in Israel.

    Why do you hate Muslims so? After all, it's Zio-Washington that has initiated most of the violence in that region. When you count the bodies in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan (and even tally the American victims of 911) the kill-ratio favors us 'good guys' by about 1000 to one. Isn't that enough?

    Why aren't you just a little bit cynical about (and a bit more critical) of Zio-Washington's trigger-happy policies in the Middle East? After all, our glorious plans haven't gone very well. Might not negotiated, political solutions suit America's interests best?

    Why are you so hell-bent on supporting Zionist-friendly wars of aggression?

    And why are you committed to rejecting the evidence-rich hypothesis of a deliberate, Israeli sneak attack on the USS Liberty?

    After all, the surviving crew members of the Liberty are convinced that Israel's assault was no accident. Does that not give you pause?--or are all the Liberty survivors all just a bunch of pathetic Jew haters?

    It's not as if Israel doesn't (1) commit espionage against the US and (2) still get virtually everything that it wants from Washington. Is this so-called 'special relationship' not lopsided and unhealthy?

    Does not a relationship of this kind provide Israel with a virtual 'license to kill'? The evidence suggests so.

    So again: why do you love the Zionists so blindly and detest Muslims so intensely? Your political emotions seem unbalanced.

    Until Zio-Washington wiped out Libya and Iraq (and destabilized Syria), there was not only no Muslim 'refugee crisis' whatsoever, but Iraq and Libya were both intact, stable and rising powers. Now they're disaster zones. And one million people are dead. Any regrets?

    Of equal importance: we Christians are implored to seek peace and show compassion. So what fills your heart with such venom? Why have you no compassion for all the innocents who have suffered at our hands?

    Why do you seek more destruction, more enmity--not less?

    After all, no Arab state could harm the US even if it wanted to. Yet you still favor political violence.

    Are you channeling Israel's anxieties and aspirations? You seem to be.

    Why do you have such hatred for Rurik and critics of America's militant, pro-Zionist status quo? Have not Zio-Washington's policies and wars been a disaster for millions?

    Therefore, I wonder why you do you not show any interest in cutting a deal (between Israel and Palestine), deescalating regional Mideast tensions, and achieving 'peace and prosperity' without bloodshed?

    Shouldn't that humane objective be standard US policy?

    You, 'Mr. Christian', have the odor of an Israeli troll. But even if you're not an Israeli, you are still a violence-loving scumbag.

    Why should Americans care one way or another if Israel gets to keep ALL of Jerusalem or maintain its nuclear monopoly? BFD. That's their problem.

    Most Americans couldn't care less about Israel. Let the Jewish supremacists fight their own stinking wars.

    In a normal (Zionist-free) world, Iran's acquisition of a nuclear deterrent should hold about as much interest to the average American as does Pakistan's ongoing nuclear 'balance of terror' with India.

    But undue Zionist influence in America and Europe has cemented an artificial 'alliance' that serves one party only. This is a colossal 'top-down' fraud. America and the West are being used. I recommend Alison Weir's brilliant book, 'Against our Better Judgement', for those out there who want to better understand how militant Israel embedded itself into the Western world. Israel's plan and execution was nothing short of diabolical.

    So let's be clear: this unnatural condition is the product of corrupt scheming combined with wholesale duplicity at the very highest levels. Zionism has hardened into an abject expression of racial fanaticism and uncompromising political ruthlessness. This unconditional 'alliance' has caused immeasurable harm.

    We Americans actually have no dog in this fight. But you, Mr. Christian, seem to. You openly favor a policy of Muslim eradication. Thanks for sharing. Again, you come across like a hardcore Israeli.

    What if Americans refuse to care about your shitty little country way over yonder? Should it be a crime? You act as if it should be. But why shouldn't America be neutral?

    Have not the Israelis and their lobbyists drained our treasury and compromised America's long-term interests in the Middle East?

    Have they also not undermined our nation's sovereignty?

    Undeniably, YES. Zionism has become a plague.

    It's also well-known that no other country commits as much espionage against the US as does 'friendly' Israel. Curious, no? Even Reagan complained about this. And conditions in Washington have only since 'improved' for Israel in recent decades. This is more bad news.

    Indeed, the Israelis have totally penetrated our government and even our intelligence services.

    How about Zio-Washington's war on Iraq? Israel's numerous US-based lobbies uniformly supported (and pushed for) Washington's 2003 annihilation of that secular country. Do you think it was a smart move and a wise investment? So far it's cost America nearly two trillion dollars.

    Why do you detest the victims of Zio-American aggression, but not the architects?

    Lastly, if a compelling case could be made that invading Israel and killing one million Jews was in America's long-term political interest, would you support such a war?

    Your presence on this site is a small-scale abomination; not unlike the larger, parasitic relationship enjoyed by your favorite country inside of Washington. Please slither away.

    Perhaps we should consider where we will be, by the year 2018 ?

    Will our governments profligate spending on Wars of aggression against nations that never attacked us…thrust our (already) obscene national debt over the 20 trillion dollar mark.?

    Will Israel have finally succeeded in exterminating Palestine and the Palestinian people,in much the same way Hitler exterminated the Jewish people ?

    Will the New York Times , The Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal all unanimously support an AIPAC sponsored bill before congress making it a” criminal offense” to be an “honest eyewitness”at any “Terror event attributed to Muslims “?

    Will the US government spend 200 billion dollars to build a “giant wall” around the United States ?
    Will it be named ……… “The Wall of Heroes” ?

    Will the no-bid contract to build it , mysteriously go to the Israeli construction companies that built the “apartheid wall/ separation fence” in Israel ?…

    Will the “actual” cost to build it be 50 billion dollars, resulting in a “150 billion” dollar net profit for Israel, and 150 billion dollars in additional debt for the USA ?

    Will the Office of Accountability that points out what a big rip off this is, be mysteriously shut down due to “budget tightening ‘?

    Will there be another bizarre”terrorist event on US shores sometime in 2017 ….this time attributed to Hezbollah?

    Will that be the catalyst for the US spending another 3 to 4 trillion dollars on a new ” Heroic “War with the “terror sponsor “Iran ?

    After the war ensues,will the Israeli company that built” the Wall of Heroes” be re- contracted to build it even higher ?

    At twice the cost,……. because its so high ?

    Will all good Americans who believe that ” fraud is evil’ become really really poor and destitute ?

    Will all those who believe” Fraud is good” become really rich and powerful?

    Will the last known survivor of the USS Liberty be “finally” granted a “prime time interview” with Barbara Walters……

    Only to be mysteriously run over by a “white van owned by a moving company” while crossing the street on the way to the station ?

    I guess only time will tell.

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    Re. 2018--

    One panel at the RT #10 Moscow conference (at which Phil Giraldi was a presenter) was about international media. The journalist from India asserts that the Western media (BBC, CNN, et al) hegemony was instrumental in the 2003 US invasion of Iraq. He further asserts that this hegemony is being broken, and that in the near future India will be the hub of international journalism. Important point -- he questions whether there could have been a 2003 invasion if there had been an objective international media.

    Of course the 2 BBC panelists squirm and deny their complicity and claim objectivity, but the thought meme is out of the bag. (Later on, the Indian guy says some pretty dumb things about private vs. public media, so I's not holding him up as any savant.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B8ISTnzoHg
    Role of intl news media on new geopolitical chessboard (#RT10 Panel Discussion)

    So, 2018. Maybe the "New York Times , The Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal" will be less influential. And as for the Israeli's, perhaps by 2021 they will no longer be a 'Jewish state'.
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  • @Mark Green
    'Jim Christian' (is that really your name?). 'Christian'. How ironic. Your rhetoric sounds like it was scripted in Israel.

    Why do you hate Muslims so? After all, it's Zio-Washington that has initiated most of the violence in that region. When you count the bodies in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan (and even tally the American victims of 911) the kill-ratio favors us 'good guys' by about 1000 to one. Isn't that enough?

    Why aren't you just a little bit cynical about (and a bit more critical) of Zio-Washington's trigger-happy policies in the Middle East? After all, our glorious plans haven't gone very well. Might not negotiated, political solutions suit America's interests best?

    Why are you so hell-bent on supporting Zionist-friendly wars of aggression?

    And why are you committed to rejecting the evidence-rich hypothesis of a deliberate, Israeli sneak attack on the USS Liberty?

    After all, the surviving crew members of the Liberty are convinced that Israel's assault was no accident. Does that not give you pause?--or are all the Liberty survivors all just a bunch of pathetic Jew haters?

    It's not as if Israel doesn't (1) commit espionage against the US and (2) still get virtually everything that it wants from Washington. Is this so-called 'special relationship' not lopsided and unhealthy?

    Does not a relationship of this kind provide Israel with a virtual 'license to kill'? The evidence suggests so.

    So again: why do you love the Zionists so blindly and detest Muslims so intensely? Your political emotions seem unbalanced.

    Until Zio-Washington wiped out Libya and Iraq (and destabilized Syria), there was not only no Muslim 'refugee crisis' whatsoever, but Iraq and Libya were both intact, stable and rising powers. Now they're disaster zones. And one million people are dead. Any regrets?

    Of equal importance: we Christians are implored to seek peace and show compassion. So what fills your heart with such venom? Why have you no compassion for all the innocents who have suffered at our hands?

    Why do you seek more destruction, more enmity--not less?

    After all, no Arab state could harm the US even if it wanted to. Yet you still favor political violence.

    Are you channeling Israel's anxieties and aspirations? You seem to be.

    Why do you have such hatred for Rurik and critics of America's militant, pro-Zionist status quo? Have not Zio-Washington's policies and wars been a disaster for millions?

    Therefore, I wonder why you do you not show any interest in cutting a deal (between Israel and Palestine), deescalating regional Mideast tensions, and achieving 'peace and prosperity' without bloodshed?

    Shouldn't that humane objective be standard US policy?

    You, 'Mr. Christian', have the odor of an Israeli troll. But even if you're not an Israeli, you are still a violence-loving scumbag.

    Why should Americans care one way or another if Israel gets to keep ALL of Jerusalem or maintain its nuclear monopoly? BFD. That's their problem.

    Most Americans couldn't care less about Israel. Let the Jewish supremacists fight their own stinking wars.

    In a normal (Zionist-free) world, Iran's acquisition of a nuclear deterrent should hold about as much interest to the average American as does Pakistan's ongoing nuclear 'balance of terror' with India.

    But undue Zionist influence in America and Europe has cemented an artificial 'alliance' that serves one party only. This is a colossal 'top-down' fraud. America and the West are being used. I recommend Alison Weir's brilliant book, 'Against our Better Judgement', for those out there who want to better understand how militant Israel embedded itself into the Western world. Israel's plan and execution was nothing short of diabolical.

    So let's be clear: this unnatural condition is the product of corrupt scheming combined with wholesale duplicity at the very highest levels. Zionism has hardened into an abject expression of racial fanaticism and uncompromising political ruthlessness. This unconditional 'alliance' has caused immeasurable harm.

    We Americans actually have no dog in this fight. But you, Mr. Christian, seem to. You openly favor a policy of Muslim eradication. Thanks for sharing. Again, you come across like a hardcore Israeli.

    What if Americans refuse to care about your shitty little country way over yonder? Should it be a crime? You act as if it should be. But why shouldn't America be neutral?

    Have not the Israelis and their lobbyists drained our treasury and compromised America's long-term interests in the Middle East?

    Have they also not undermined our nation's sovereignty?

    Undeniably, YES. Zionism has become a plague.

    It's also well-known that no other country commits as much espionage against the US as does 'friendly' Israel. Curious, no? Even Reagan complained about this. And conditions in Washington have only since 'improved' for Israel in recent decades. This is more bad news.

    Indeed, the Israelis have totally penetrated our government and even our intelligence services.

    How about Zio-Washington's war on Iraq? Israel's numerous US-based lobbies uniformly supported (and pushed for) Washington's 2003 annihilation of that secular country. Do you think it was a smart move and a wise investment? So far it's cost America nearly two trillion dollars.

    Why do you detest the victims of Zio-American aggression, but not the architects?

    Lastly, if a compelling case could be made that invading Israel and killing one million Jews was in America's long-term political interest, would you support such a war?

    Your presence on this site is a small-scale abomination; not unlike the larger, parasitic relationship enjoyed by your favorite country inside of Washington. Please slither away.

    Once again, extremely well put.

    btw – if you keep this up, Mark, I’ll have no choice but to add you to my free coffee list in DC, as a spot has recently been vacated… sorry, Fran.

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    Thank you! I'd love to get together. I'm in Calif so let me know if you're ever out in the LA area.
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  • @jon
    I see that this is a reprint, is there any chance the author will actually see comments made on this site? In any event, these are my thoughts:

    1. The only eyewitness identifications that I can find speak of three white men.

    Eyewitness accounts are notoriously bad, so I don't put much stock that they thought a couple of Middle Easterners, dressed head to toe in black, were actually white (in fact, they technically are under current Census classification). Likewise, I am not surprised that they thought a woman shooting up a holiday party was a man. That's just where the mind naturally goes, and these people had few visual cues to go on given how the shooters were dressed.

    On the other hand, the fact that they claimed to see three people is troubling. Even as bad as eyewitness testimony can be, I don't think these two witnesses would conjure up a non-existent third shooter in their minds. This is your best point, in my opinion.

    2. They fired 76 rounds, while police fired 380. Who did the counting? When? Who verified this?

    The police would presumably keep a close count on their own ammo, so figuring out how many rounds were fired is simple math - amount issued minus amount remaining. For the newlyweds, I would guess it's just a matter of counting shell casings. May undercount slightly, but also pretty simple.

    3. We are supposed to believe that it took 380 rounds to kill them. If so, these are not sharpshooters.

    If around five times as many cops were involved (that's just 5x2=10), then we would expect that they might fire around five times as many rounds. And would you stop shooting at someone who was shooting at you, just to check if they were dead yet? Also, if they are faking some part of this, but the number of rounds used is somehow unbelievable, why wouldn't they also fake the count?

    As I said above, your best point is the missing third shooter. Focus on that, the rest of these points make you sound a little unhinged and leave you open to dismissals like that by Bragadocious above.

    I find it odd that at first all reports said three gunmen. But after the couple were killed, no one talked about the third gunman.

    Also:

    http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/12/eyewitness-to-san-bernardino-says-it-wasnt-couple/

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  • @Jim Christian
    Anna Marie? You and Rurik need to go get a room. Ted Unz didn't figure on beating hearts getting together here. I figure you and Rurik are good for Motel 6, $21.95. They'll leave the light on for you. You two crazy kids.

    I had no idea you were sliming your thong over me. Of course, that is going to be a problem for Rurik. He's going to question your loyalty. Annnd, he'll be impotent. Your husband will likely prefer THAT.

    ‘Jim Christian’ (is that really your name?). ‘Christian’. How ironic. Your rhetoric sounds like it was scripted in Israel.

    Why do you hate Muslims so? After all, it’s Zio-Washington that has initiated most of the violence in that region. When you count the bodies in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan (and even tally the American victims of 911) the kill-ratio favors us ‘good guys’ by about 1000 to one. Isn’t that enough?

    Why aren’t you just a little bit cynical about (and a bit more critical) of Zio-Washington’s trigger-happy policies in the Middle East? After all, our glorious plans haven’t gone very well. Might not negotiated, political solutions suit America’s interests best?

    Why are you so hell-bent on supporting Zionist-friendly wars of aggression?

    And why are you committed to rejecting the evidence-rich hypothesis of a deliberate, Israeli sneak attack on the USS Liberty?

    After all, the surviving crew members of the Liberty are convinced that Israel’s assault was no accident. Does that not give you pause?–or are all the Liberty survivors all just a bunch of pathetic Jew haters?

    It’s not as if Israel doesn’t (1) commit espionage against the US and (2) still get virtually everything that it wants from Washington. Is this so-called ‘special relationship’ not lopsided and unhealthy?

    Does not a relationship of this kind provide Israel with a virtual ‘license to kill’? The evidence suggests so.

    So again: why do you love the Zionists so blindly and detest Muslims so intensely? Your political emotions seem unbalanced.

    Until Zio-Washington wiped out Libya and Iraq (and destabilized Syria), there was not only no Muslim ‘refugee crisis’ whatsoever, but Iraq and Libya were both intact, stable and rising powers. Now they’re disaster zones. And one million people are dead. Any regrets?

    Of equal importance: we Christians are implored to seek peace and show compassion. So what fills your heart with such venom? Why have you no compassion for all the innocents who have suffered at our hands?

    Why do you seek more destruction, more enmity–not less?

    After all, no Arab state could harm the US even if it wanted to. Yet you still favor political violence.

    Are you channeling Israel’s anxieties and aspirations? You seem to be.

    Why do you have such hatred for Rurik and critics of America’s militant, pro-Zionist status quo? Have not Zio-Washington’s policies and wars been a disaster for millions?

    Therefore, I wonder why you do you not show any interest in cutting a deal (between Israel and Palestine), deescalating regional Mideast tensions, and achieving ‘peace and prosperity’ without bloodshed?

    Shouldn’t that humane objective be standard US policy?

    You, ‘Mr. Christian’, have the odor of an Israeli troll. But even if you’re not an Israeli, you are still a violence-loving scumbag.

    Why should Americans care one way or another if Israel gets to keep ALL of Jerusalem or maintain its nuclear monopoly? BFD. That’s their problem.

    Most Americans couldn’t care less about Israel. Let the Jewish supremacists fight their own stinking wars.

    In a normal (Zionist-free) world, Iran’s acquisition of a nuclear deterrent should hold about as much interest to the average American as does Pakistan’s ongoing nuclear ‘balance of terror’ with India.

    But undue Zionist influence in America and Europe has cemented an artificial ‘alliance’ that serves one party only. This is a colossal ‘top-down’ fraud. America and the West are being used. I recommend Alison Weir’s brilliant book, ‘Against our Better Judgement’, for those out there who want to better understand how militant Israel embedded itself into the Western world. Israel’s plan and execution was nothing short of diabolical.

    So let’s be clear: this unnatural condition is the product of corrupt scheming combined with wholesale duplicity at the very highest levels. Zionism has hardened into an abject expression of racial fanaticism and uncompromising political ruthlessness. This unconditional ‘alliance’ has caused immeasurable harm.

    We Americans actually have no dog in this fight. But you, Mr. Christian, seem to. You openly favor a policy of Muslim eradication. Thanks for sharing. Again, you come across like a hardcore Israeli.

    What if Americans refuse to care about your shitty little country way over yonder? Should it be a crime? You act as if it should be. But why shouldn’t America be neutral?

    Have not the Israelis and their lobbyists drained our treasury and compromised America’s long-term interests in the Middle East?

    Have they also not undermined our nation’s sovereignty?

    Undeniably, YES. Zionism has become a plague.

    It’s also well-known that no other country commits as much espionage against the US as does ‘friendly’ Israel. Curious, no? Even Reagan complained about this. And conditions in Washington have only since ‘improved’ for Israel in recent decades. This is more bad news.

    Indeed, the Israelis have totally penetrated our government and even our intelligence services.

    How about Zio-Washington’s war on Iraq? Israel’s numerous US-based lobbies uniformly supported (and pushed for) Washington’s 2003 annihilation of that secular country. Do you think it was a smart move and a wise investment? So far it’s cost America nearly two trillion dollars.

    Why do you detest the victims of Zio-American aggression, but not the architects?

    Lastly, if a compelling case could be made that invading Israel and killing one million Jews was in America’s long-term political interest, would you support such a war?

    Your presence on this site is a small-scale abomination; not unlike the larger, parasitic relationship enjoyed by your favorite country inside of Washington. Please slither away.

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    Once again, extremely well put.

    btw - if you keep this up, Mark, I'll have no choice but to add you to my free coffee list in DC, as a spot has recently been vacated... sorry, Fran.
    , @alexander
    Perhaps we should consider where we will be, by the year 2018 ?


    Will our governments profligate spending on Wars of aggression against nations that never attacked us...thrust our (already) obscene national debt over the 20 trillion dollar mark.?

    Will Israel have finally succeeded in exterminating Palestine and the Palestinian people,in much the same way Hitler exterminated the Jewish people ?

    Will the New York Times , The Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal all unanimously support an AIPAC sponsored bill before congress making it a" criminal offense" to be an "honest eyewitness"at any "Terror event attributed to Muslims "?

    Will the US government spend 200 billion dollars to build a "giant wall" around the United States ?
    Will it be named ......... "The Wall of Heroes" ?

    Will the no-bid contract to build it , mysteriously go to the Israeli construction companies that built the "apartheid wall/ separation fence" in Israel ?...

    Will the "actual" cost to build it be 50 billion dollars, resulting in a "150 billion" dollar net profit for Israel, and 150 billion dollars in additional debt for the USA ?

    Will the Office of Accountability that points out what a big rip off this is, be mysteriously shut down due to "budget tightening '?

    Will there be another bizarre"terrorist event on US shores sometime in 2017 ....this time attributed to Hezbollah?

    Will that be the catalyst for the US spending another 3 to 4 trillion dollars on a new " Heroic "War with the "terror sponsor "Iran ?

    After the war ensues,will the Israeli company that built" the Wall of Heroes" be re- contracted to build it even higher ?

    At twice the cost,....... because its so high ?

    Will all good Americans who believe that " fraud is evil' become really really poor and destitute ?

    Will all those who believe" Fraud is good" become really rich and powerful?


    Will the last known survivor of the USS Liberty be "finally" granted a "prime time interview" with Barbara Walters......

    Only to be mysteriously run over by a "white van owned by a moving company" while crossing the street on the way to the station ?


    I guess only time will tell.
    , @Jim Christian
    Conspiracies, conspiracies. Muslim lobby all over the editorials/articles and reports' comments sections. Or, in the case of articles critical of the Muslim POTUS (His Father was Muslim, HE is Muslim, I believe in respecting tradition), White House Communications interns, slanting, stirring, trolling in the Post, the NYT, the Chicago Tribune, here, I suspect. I especially love the Jew Haters and their long, rambling and insane diatribes against Israel, their Muslim bent showing in their lousy writing, grammar and accented sentence structure. All to silence, obfuscate and obscure and defend exactly what it is that Muslims do, all of it evil, nothing beneficial to mankind. From Muslims, no great inventions, no feats of agriculture, a complete inability to make use of modern technology of the basest sort except tools of murder and destruction, dependent on Americans and Jews and Germans and Europeans for their every necessity and luxury alike.

    Hate the Muslims? Nah, I feel sorry for most of them. Low IQ, incapable of life in the first world and so they hate. They do murder. Even with no infidels around, they murder each other. Equipped with the finest weaponry, they drop and surrender, but at least they're pragmatic. Nonetheless, they murder their daughters over "honor" (Muslims have no honor, the Koran gives them permission to lie after all), they murder their sisters, their wives, they castrate and mutilate their own daughters. Muslims have MAJOR sexual issues with their women, young children and animals. Hell, most of the Koran (or whatever you want to call the comic book of Islam) is about all the ways Muslim men get to rape women and young girls with permission of Allah. The beheading, the depravity, the destruction, dishonor between even Muslim men is despicable and none of it can be denied. This is not propaganda, this is life in the Muslim world and even better, they wish to infect the rest of the world.

    And I really love the Fatwa which makes everything really flexible so evils may be instituted to fit the scenario. There's more, a lot more, but nothing that changes the basic picture. The above is modern Muslim culture. And I'm told that it used to be worse five centuries back. Hope it all works out somehow, but in all this time, they still wish to go back to the stone age. Suits me, go. Be. Enjoy.

    You may now return to your regularly scheduled propaganda. profanity and anti-Semitic rants and rage..
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  • @Astuteobservor II
    the reason alot of the theories regarding those building having alot of followers is because those buildings just collapsed waaaaay too neatly. about as good as controlled demolitions.

    don't blame people from having doubts. never relegate them to conspiracy nuts, it is completely reasonable from all the available videos.

    “the reason alot of the theories regarding those building having alot of followers is because those buildings just collapsed waaaaay too neatly. about as good as controlled demolitions.”

    No, they didn’t. People base thier (ignorant and baseless) opinion on one YouTube video taken from one side. You know why buildings mostly fall straight down? Becuase that’s the way the force due to gravity points.

    “don’t blame people from having doubts. never relegate them to conspiracy nuts, it is completely reasonable from all the available videos.”

    They are conspiracy nuts. What else am I to make of them?

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    after snowden? I believe the so called conspiracy nuts more than our govt.
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  • @Rurik
    oh lord, really?

    you're trying to make a case that building seven fell at free-fall speed directly into its basement because of some office fires?

    these building burned like infernos for hours without plopping into their basements

    http://www.serendipity.li/wot/other_fires/other_fires.htm

    if you want to know what firefighters said on 911, google "keep an eye on that building it's coming down ..."

    here's one, I did it for you

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHtvN26yPvY

    if you work in an office building and a room catches on fire and spreads to another room, how many people are going to run out of the building immediately in fear that the entire building is going to implode?

    if there were any fear of such a thing ever happening, as it's never happened in the history of steel frame buildings, either before or since 911, there would be massive efforts to reinforce all the steel frame sky scrapers and insure that all the steel doesn't magically vaporize into nice lengths for easy transport to waiting ships to China. - To be melted down without forensic studies to determine just how this impossible engineering miracle of physics transpired. But how many building have been thus checked out?

    None?

    But surely they're all unsafe!

    If they can all just plop like a rock into their footprint at some superficial damage to their facade, then surly efforts are being made in every city in the world to re-engineer these building, no? Why not?

    Was 911 a magical day when news agencies and fire dept.'s were all magically able to predict an impossible event before it happened but it we can all rest assured that it will never happen again, because 911 was just a magical day?

    Eh?

    You have “Truth” as a follower, so – congratulaitons! – you’ve really arrived as a gullible nitwit.

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  • @Truth
    "oh lord, really?
    you’re trying to make a case that building seven fell at free-fall speed directly into its basement because of some office fires?"

    You have to understand, Bro, Mr. Anon is obsessed with driving a water-powered car.

    “You have to understand, Bro, Mr. Anon is obsessed with driving a water-powered car.”

    You are the guy who thinks there is such a thing as a water-fueled car, shit-for-brains.

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  • Can we look forward to a front page post by Lyndon Larouche, sometime soon?

    Or, better yet, David Icke?

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    I'd rather be a Larouchite or an Icke follower than be gay.
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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    RURIK, YOU’VE RUN RIGHT OFF THE RAILS AGAIN!
     
    It was completely obvious to me that Rurik was being ironic.

    More friendly fire…

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  • @Jim Christian
    Anna Marie? You and Rurik need to go get a room. Ted Unz didn't figure on beating hearts getting together here. I figure you and Rurik are good for Motel 6, $21.95. They'll leave the light on for you. You two crazy kids.

    I had no idea you were sliming your thong over me. Of course, that is going to be a problem for Rurik. He's going to question your loyalty. Annnd, he'll be impotent. Your husband will likely prefer THAT.

    No more questions and no more comments.

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    You aren't rational, so where peanuts and bananas don't feed the monkeys and yard apes, I tend to leave the Zoo.

    Or insane asylum. That's your contribution to Unz, AnnaMarie.
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  • @Jim Christian
    Psycho.

    “Psycho.”

    Who, Bibi or Kristol?

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    That was addressed to you, Robin. You silly bitch.
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  • Wow. Can’t believe how completely saturated this comment section is with Hasbara.

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  • @Jim Christian
    Anna Marie? You and Rurik need to go get a room. Ted Unz didn't figure on beating hearts getting together here. I figure you and Rurik are good for Motel 6, $21.95. They'll leave the light on for you. You two crazy kids.

    I had no idea you were sliming your thong over me. Of course, that is going to be a problem for Rurik. He's going to question your loyalty. Annnd, he'll be impotent. Your husband will likely prefer THAT.

    Ted Unz

    hey ss,

    the gentleman’s name who provides this wonderful site and oasis from the wastelands of mind numbing mendacity is Ron Unz

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  • @geokat62

    Turkey is so pliant to the west, that they’ll never give her up.
     
    You're still not looking at things through the proper lens... the Zionist lens, that is. It is not so much that Turkey is "so pliant to the west," as you put it, as it is Turkey's close proximity to the villa in the jungle. With a population of just under 80 million Muslims, the Zionists are determined that Turkey look west, not east. That's why they were and are the staunchest advocates for integrating Turkey into the EU.

    Exhibit A:

    In short, Turkey is heading in a good direction. It remains a shining (and rare) example in the Muslim world of a vibrant democracy with the rule of law and a thriving free-market economy. Much though Western leaders would like to turn the argument into one about Turkey, the real question is for them. Are Americans and Europeans prepared to accept Turkey for what it is: a Muslim democracy, with a different culture and diplomatic posture, but committed to economic and political liberalism? This newspaper hopes the answer is yes.

    http://www.economist.com/node/17309065?zid=307&ah=5e80419d1bc9821ebe173f4f0f060a07
     

    That’s why they were and are the staunchest advocates for integrating Turkey into the EU.

    the Zionists don’t just want Turkey in the EU, they want every non-Western man, woman and child to flood into Europe and especially Germany as fast as it’s humanly possible to achieve the final solution to the problem of Nazis. For the zionists, Germans will always be Nazis, even if they’re temporally dormant Nazis. Same for all white people. We’re all just Nazis waiting for someone like Trump/Hitler to close the border and slow down the final solution.

    if you check them out, all uber-zionists who’re rabidly demanding the ethinic cleansing of Palestinian Arabs are also out of the other side of their hypocritical faces demanding open borders for the West. Sheldon Adelson for instance. The neocons. It is a two step program. Racial purity for Jews, racial assimilation into a brown morass for the mongrel slave race.

    Race is everything, and every race that does not keep its blood from being mixed will perish. . . Language and religion do not determine a race–blood determines it.”
    —British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli

    their intention is for the white race to perish and for the chosen to lord it over the slaves races for perpetuity

    if we’re ‘worthy’ that is

    it is written

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  • @James Kabala
    Some people think that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance. But to call it a false flag would mean that the Japanese never attacked Pearl Harbor at all - that actually it was done by the Americans to themselves. I think it is pretty safe to say that that is not what happened.

    The second Gulf of Tonkin attack never happened, it is true - but again, to call it a false flag would mean that the Maddox was attacked by a fellow American ship - not a theory I have ever heard advanced by anyone.

    FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance. But to call it a false flag

    I can see how I wasn’t clear about that

    a cassus belli for war and rouse an enraged public al la Pearl Harbor, or Gulf of Tonkin, or Sinking of the Maine, or Burring of the Reichstag, or if you’re a student of history, there are tones of them going back centuries.

    I was referring to Pearl Harbor more specifically as a cassus belli for war per se

    not as a false flag, which it obviously wasn’t

    but as you mention, FDR knew the attack was going to happen, and didn’t warn Hawaii’s commanders because these evil men always want war. Even when they’re elected to keep us out of war, like Wilson and FDR and even George W. Bush who I voted for in his first election because he said specifically that he wasn’t a nation builder, and I was pissed at Clinton for illegally bombing Serbia.

    But these scum always want war.

    that was the point I was trying to convey, but I see how I wasn’t clear on that

    however, for what it’s worth, the “new Pearl Harbor” type of “catalyzing event” was absolutely a false flag

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  • @annamaria
    On point.
    What if J.C. is actually a self-hating Arab? By the way, there has been a very curious commotion about a special blood relationships between Kurds and Israelis in the context of creating a buffer state, Kurdistan, to allow Israel continue stealing other nations' resources:
    "The logic at play is that a Kurdish state north of Iraq will be the nucleus for a bigger Kurdish state that can later annex the Kurdish areas in Syria, Turkey and Iran."
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/20748-strategic-dimensions-of-the-relationship-between-israel-and-iraqi-kurdistan
    About Kurds: they "are culturally and linguistically closely related to the Iranian peoples and, as a result, are often themselves classified as an Iranian people.... The Kurdish languages form a subgroup of the Northwestern Iranian languages." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds
    And yet here we are, "The Genetic Bonds Between Kurds and Jews," http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1626606/posts
    Here is an info on Israel's cooperation with ISIS: "... up to 800 IDF forces are operating in support of al Nusra and ISIS inside Syria, coordinating operations including artillery and air support for al Qaeda and other terrorist" groups.
    http://theinternationalreporter.org/2015/09/29/real-war-news-israeli-commandos-fight-alongside-isis-in-syria-militants-launch-major-offensive-on-syrian-forces-in-golan-heights-with-help-of-israeli-ground-forces
    Israel shows how to support ISIS and profit from it: "...most of the oil would pass between Iraq, Syria and Turkey... but even these three countries would not buy all the oil, if Israel would not buy it.” http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/55127/report-israel-biggest-buyer-oil-smuggled-from-isis-controlled-territories-middle-east/#qsj430bLLBQW1kmw.97
    In short, all that fuss about "inherently bad Arabs" and "inherently morally superior Jews" stops at a baseline.

    Anna Marie? You and Rurik need to go get a room. Ted Unz didn’t figure on beating hearts getting together here. I figure you and Rurik are good for Motel 6, $21.95. They’ll leave the light on for you. You two crazy kids.

    I had no idea you were sliming your thong over me. Of course, that is going to be a problem for Rurik. He’s going to question your loyalty. Annnd, he’ll be impotent. Your husband will likely prefer THAT.

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    Ted Unz
     
    hey ss,

    the gentleman's name who provides this wonderful site and oasis from the wastelands of mind numbing mendacity is Ron Unz
    , @annamaria
    No more questions and no more comments.
    , @Mark Green
    'Jim Christian' (is that really your name?). 'Christian'. How ironic. Your rhetoric sounds like it was scripted in Israel.

    Why do you hate Muslims so? After all, it's Zio-Washington that has initiated most of the violence in that region. When you count the bodies in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan (and even tally the American victims of 911) the kill-ratio favors us 'good guys' by about 1000 to one. Isn't that enough?

    Why aren't you just a little bit cynical about (and a bit more critical) of Zio-Washington's trigger-happy policies in the Middle East? After all, our glorious plans haven't gone very well. Might not negotiated, political solutions suit America's interests best?

    Why are you so hell-bent on supporting Zionist-friendly wars of aggression?

    And why are you committed to rejecting the evidence-rich hypothesis of a deliberate, Israeli sneak attack on the USS Liberty?

    After all, the surviving crew members of the Liberty are convinced that Israel's assault was no accident. Does that not give you pause?--or are all the Liberty survivors all just a bunch of pathetic Jew haters?

    It's not as if Israel doesn't (1) commit espionage against the US and (2) still get virtually everything that it wants from Washington. Is this so-called 'special relationship' not lopsided and unhealthy?

    Does not a relationship of this kind provide Israel with a virtual 'license to kill'? The evidence suggests so.

    So again: why do you love the Zionists so blindly and detest Muslims so intensely? Your political emotions seem unbalanced.

    Until Zio-Washington wiped out Libya and Iraq (and destabilized Syria), there was not only no Muslim 'refugee crisis' whatsoever, but Iraq and Libya were both intact, stable and rising powers. Now they're disaster zones. And one million people are dead. Any regrets?

    Of equal importance: we Christians are implored to seek peace and show compassion. So what fills your heart with such venom? Why have you no compassion for all the innocents who have suffered at our hands?

    Why do you seek more destruction, more enmity--not less?

    After all, no Arab state could harm the US even if it wanted to. Yet you still favor political violence.

    Are you channeling Israel's anxieties and aspirations? You seem to be.

    Why do you have such hatred for Rurik and critics of America's militant, pro-Zionist status quo? Have not Zio-Washington's policies and wars been a disaster for millions?

    Therefore, I wonder why you do you not show any interest in cutting a deal (between Israel and Palestine), deescalating regional Mideast tensions, and achieving 'peace and prosperity' without bloodshed?

    Shouldn't that humane objective be standard US policy?

    You, 'Mr. Christian', have the odor of an Israeli troll. But even if you're not an Israeli, you are still a violence-loving scumbag.

    Why should Americans care one way or another if Israel gets to keep ALL of Jerusalem or maintain its nuclear monopoly? BFD. That's their problem.

    Most Americans couldn't care less about Israel. Let the Jewish supremacists fight their own stinking wars.

    In a normal (Zionist-free) world, Iran's acquisition of a nuclear deterrent should hold about as much interest to the average American as does Pakistan's ongoing nuclear 'balance of terror' with India.

    But undue Zionist influence in America and Europe has cemented an artificial 'alliance' that serves one party only. This is a colossal 'top-down' fraud. America and the West are being used. I recommend Alison Weir's brilliant book, 'Against our Better Judgement', for those out there who want to better understand how militant Israel embedded itself into the Western world. Israel's plan and execution was nothing short of diabolical.

    So let's be clear: this unnatural condition is the product of corrupt scheming combined with wholesale duplicity at the very highest levels. Zionism has hardened into an abject expression of racial fanaticism and uncompromising political ruthlessness. This unconditional 'alliance' has caused immeasurable harm.

    We Americans actually have no dog in this fight. But you, Mr. Christian, seem to. You openly favor a policy of Muslim eradication. Thanks for sharing. Again, you come across like a hardcore Israeli.

    What if Americans refuse to care about your shitty little country way over yonder? Should it be a crime? You act as if it should be. But why shouldn't America be neutral?

    Have not the Israelis and their lobbyists drained our treasury and compromised America's long-term interests in the Middle East?

    Have they also not undermined our nation's sovereignty?

    Undeniably, YES. Zionism has become a plague.

    It's also well-known that no other country commits as much espionage against the US as does 'friendly' Israel. Curious, no? Even Reagan complained about this. And conditions in Washington have only since 'improved' for Israel in recent decades. This is more bad news.

    Indeed, the Israelis have totally penetrated our government and even our intelligence services.

    How about Zio-Washington's war on Iraq? Israel's numerous US-based lobbies uniformly supported (and pushed for) Washington's 2003 annihilation of that secular country. Do you think it was a smart move and a wise investment? So far it's cost America nearly two trillion dollars.

    Why do you detest the victims of Zio-American aggression, but not the architects?

    Lastly, if a compelling case could be made that invading Israel and killing one million Jews was in America's long-term political interest, would you support such a war?

    Your presence on this site is a small-scale abomination; not unlike the larger, parasitic relationship enjoyed by your favorite country inside of Washington. Please slither away.

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  • @Rurik

    Why do you write this crazy stuff?
     
    I was trying to be "funny" Robin

    perhaps with emphasis on 'trying'

    it was just my little way of mocking Bibi and his hysterical antics and all the other red-faced ziocons like Willy Kristol and the rest of the zio-war-pigs shouting at us all that Iran is inches from bombing us all unless we bomb them first!!!! Remember Saddam's WMD and Bibi at the UN with his idiotic cartoon?

    Sorry if that wasn't a little more obvious.

    Psycho.

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    "Psycho."

    Who, Bibi or Kristol?
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  • @Rurik

    But I see no rational motive to explain why they’d have it done it intentionally. Cui Bono? They didn’t.
     
    they wanted to make it look like the attack was done by Egypt. They were at war with Egypt and they wanted the US to think that Egypt had attacked the Liberty and thereby cause the US to stomp Egypt into the ground.

    Is that such a leap?

    That's what all false flags are for. To make people go to war against an enemy who never did anything but who can be blamed for some terrible attack that can be used as a cassus belli for war and rouse an enraged public al la Pearl Harbor, or Gulf of Tonkin, or Sinking of the Maine, or Burring of the Reichstag, or if you're a student of history, there are tones of them going back centuries. That's simply how it's done.

    Some people think that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance. But to call it a false flag would mean that the Japanese never attacked Pearl Harbor at all – that actually it was done by the Americans to themselves. I think it is pretty safe to say that that is not what happened.

    The second Gulf of Tonkin attack never happened, it is true – but again, to call it a false flag would mean that the Maddox was attacked by a fellow American ship – not a theory I have ever heard advanced by anyone.

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    FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance. But to call it a false flag
     
    I can see how I wasn't clear about that

    a cassus belli for war and rouse an enraged public al la Pearl Harbor, or Gulf of Tonkin, or Sinking of the Maine, or Burring of the Reichstag, or if you’re a student of history, there are tones of them going back centuries.
     
    I was referring to Pearl Harbor more specifically as a cassus belli for war per se

    not as a false flag, which it obviously wasn't

    but as you mention, FDR knew the attack was going to happen, and didn't warn Hawaii's commanders because these evil men always want war. Even when they're elected to keep us out of war, like Wilson and FDR and even George W. Bush who I voted for in his first election because he said specifically that he wasn't a nation builder, and I was pissed at Clinton for illegally bombing Serbia.

    But these scum always want war.

    that was the point I was trying to convey, but I see how I wasn't clear on that

    however, for what it's worth, the "new Pearl Harbor" type of "catalyzing event" was absolutely a false flag

    for the record
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  • @geokat62

    Turkey is so pliant to the west, that they’ll never give her up.
     
    You're still not looking at things through the proper lens... the Zionist lens, that is. It is not so much that Turkey is "so pliant to the west," as you put it, as it is Turkey's close proximity to the villa in the jungle. With a population of just under 80 million Muslims, the Zionists are determined that Turkey look west, not east. That's why they were and are the staunchest advocates for integrating Turkey into the EU.

    Exhibit A:

    In short, Turkey is heading in a good direction. It remains a shining (and rare) example in the Muslim world of a vibrant democracy with the rule of law and a thriving free-market economy. Much though Western leaders would like to turn the argument into one about Turkey, the real question is for them. Are Americans and Europeans prepared to accept Turkey for what it is: a Muslim democracy, with a different culture and diplomatic posture, but committed to economic and political liberalism? This newspaper hopes the answer is yes.

    http://www.economist.com/node/17309065?zid=307&ah=5e80419d1bc9821ebe173f4f0f060a07
     

    Exhibit B:

    It is to be hoped that an Ankara spurned by the EU would continue down the path of democratic, secular development -as well as alignment with the West, the US, and Israel-for the greater good those policies can bring its own people. Prodding and increased support from Washington will be important to keeping Turkey on that path. In a country where growing numbers see themselves as non-European and favor Islamism, trying to be “European without Europe” may be too difficult a task for the beleaguered Turkish establishment to sustain on its own.

    http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/turkeys-fading-european-dream

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  • @Rurik

    On point.
    What if J.C.
     
    well, if you say so annamarina,

    is actually a self-hating Arab?
     
    naw. I've actually known one Anna. He was Israeli, and he was the most anti-Arab I've ever met. Even more so than the Israeli Jews. He called them cockroaches. His own people! I'll never forget. But this is not ss. ss is definitely a member of the tribe.

    relationships between Kurds and Israelis in the context of creating a buffer state, Kurdistan
     
    I suspect Israel is using the Kurds as their stooges. Arming them and providing support only insofar as they advance the Israeli agenda. Once they've outlived their usefulness, Israel will toss them under the bus like a candy wrapper on a Tel Aviv street.

    I don't think the PTB will ever allow a Kurdish state because it would be too anethama to Turkey. And I don't think the PTB would allow Turkey to be carved up because Turkey is always useful as the West's reliable bitch. Just look at how they were able to get Turkey to shoot down the Russian jet. I'm reminded of that scene in Braveheart when Gibson tells the commander of the British forces to "present himself before this army, put his head between his legs, and kiss his own arse."

    If the West told Erdogan to do this, he would literally do this. Believe me. It's a certainty.

    Turkey is so pliant to the west, that they'll never give her up. That's why there's never any talk about rebuilding the church in a new Constantinople. Why bother when the regime in Istanbul is far more dutiful to the west than any Christian could ever be.

    Turkey is so pliant to the west, that they’ll never give her up.

    You’re still not looking at things through the proper lens… the Zionist lens, that is. It is not so much that Turkey is “so pliant to the west,” as you put it, as it is Turkey’s close proximity to the villa in the jungle. With a population of just under 80 million Muslims, the Zionists are determined that Turkey look west, not east. That’s why they were and are the staunchest advocates for integrating Turkey into the EU.

    Exhibit A:

    In short, Turkey is heading in a good direction. It remains a shining (and rare) example in the Muslim world of a vibrant democracy with the rule of law and a thriving free-market economy. Much though Western leaders would like to turn the argument into one about Turkey, the real question is for them. Are Americans and Europeans prepared to accept Turkey for what it is: a Muslim democracy, with a different culture and diplomatic posture, but committed to economic and political liberalism? This newspaper hopes the answer is yes.

    http://www.economist.com/node/17309065?zid=307&ah=5e80419d1bc9821ebe173f4f0f060a07

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    Exhibit B:

    It is to be hoped that an Ankara spurned by the EU would continue down the path of democratic, secular development -as well as alignment with the West, the US, and Israel-for the greater good those policies can bring its own people. Prodding and increased support from Washington will be important to keeping Turkey on that path. In a country where growing numbers see themselves as non-European and favor Islamism, trying to be "European without Europe" may be too difficult a task for the beleaguered Turkish establishment to sustain on its own.

    http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/turkeys-fading-european-dream

     

    , @Rurik

    That’s why they were and are the staunchest advocates for integrating Turkey into the EU.
     
    the Zionists don't just want Turkey in the EU, they want every non-Western man, woman and child to flood into Europe and especially Germany as fast as it's humanly possible to achieve the final solution to the problem of Nazis. For the zionists, Germans will always be Nazis, even if they're temporally dormant Nazis. Same for all white people. We're all just Nazis waiting for someone like Trump/Hitler to close the border and slow down the final solution.

    if you check them out, all uber-zionists who're rabidly demanding the ethinic cleansing of Palestinian Arabs are also out of the other side of their hypocritical faces demanding open borders for the West. Sheldon Adelson for instance. The neocons. It is a two step program. Racial purity for Jews, racial assimilation into a brown morass for the mongrel slave race.

    Race is everything, and every race that does not keep its blood from being mixed will perish. . . Language and religion do not determine a race–blood determines it.”
    —British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli

    their intention is for the white race to perish and for the chosen to lord it over the slaves races for perpetuity

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_rj_HmrBL8

    if we're 'worthy' that is

    it is written
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  • @alexander
    Dear Rurik,

    Hmmmm...

    Let's step back for a moment and discuss the Federal Reserve...or what you refer to as the Fed...and more importantly why it is there...i.e...why we have it to begin with.

    During the course of our history as a Nation (especially the last hundred years) there have been instances where the federal government has had to "spend " more money then it takes in...during such times our government creates a" deficit". The Federal Reserve was created to enable our government to continue functioning by supplying it with the" liquidity" needed to do so, and not shut down because it has "no more money."

    Whatever money our government "borrows" to pay for this "overage" in spending , we are borrowing from "our selves" at some future point in time.
    the result of this "borrowing from our future" is what we all understand as our "National Debt"
    The Federal Reserve is the vehicle through which that borrowing occurs.

    The Federal Reserve is also able to control our "monetary policy" by either raising or lowering "interest rates" to all the banks that lend us money.

    During times of extraordinary slow growth in our economy, our government will usually direct the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates, which reduces "borrowing costs" to individuals and businesses thereby stimulating spending by the consumer and by businesses that wish to expand.

    During times of extraordinary rapid growth the Federal Reserve may be directed to do the opposite, raise interest rates to increase the cost of borrowing, and tighten the liquidity into the system, thereby "slowing " the economy down.

    So Rurik, to recap,

    You need to understand that the Federal Reserve is a vehicle ( or tool ) that allows our government to continue to function in the event it spends more money than it takes in, "and" as a regulator to" help" our economy stay on a "relative" even keel , through increasing or decreasing the amount and ease of" liquidity" within the system.

    A few things you may "also" need to know....When various pundits or politicians refer to "China buying our debt"...what they are referring to is China's purchasing of our" treasury bonds".
    People often think when this occurs, our "debt" some how "magically"disappears because it is "bought" by China.

    This is not the case at all.

    If China purchases a trillion dollars worth of US treasury bonds... we do not "subtract a trillion dollars from our national debt...No ,no, not at all....the national debt stays" exactly" the same.

    What China is purchasing is more like "stock "in the United States", in the faith that we will , at some point, pay down our debt and the treasuries will hold their value.

    Getting "clarity" on these institutions, why they exist and what they do....will help you to navigate through your various "synopses" without sounding ...err....at times, ...a little foolish.

    I hope it helps.

    Dear Alexander,

    Since I know you’re sincere, I’m going to try to help out. Perhaps we can both learn something.

    As I see it and understand it the founders of this nation went to war with England because they didn’t want to be slaves to the whims and authority of a far removed monarch whose rule was capricious and often even cruel. But that monarch was not the king of England, but rather the Bank of England.

    You see the colonies were printing their own currency, and this was anathema to the power hungry and greedy fiends at the central Bank of England – Rothschild and his evil mechanism to control and enslave the people of the world. A central bank that loans out money to governments that the people through taxes then have to pay that money back with interest.

    So that every dollar in circulation is not whole, but has a debt assigned to it, that can never be paid off, because when the dollar is issued, it’s issued with debt. It’s the eleventh marble that Michael Rivero talks about.

    So, anyways the colonists said we’d rather kill every last British soldier and sacrifice our lives in the process than agree to being slaves. I sympathize.

    They won, and that’s why for a hundred years these United States was the greatest country the world had ever known. Because the people were free to live without a master.

    Then the Rothschild’s Bank of England tried again in 1812, and again they were tossed out. Then later, when a temporary private central bank had been authorized, it was Andrew Jackson that put a dagger into the heart of that snake and kept the US free for a while longer.

    But in 1913 the fiend was resurrected. And Wilson signed our freedom and our prosperity away.

    The Fed was authorized to protect the value of the dollar and prevent the kind of massive swings in the economy that destroy people’s lives. It has done the exact opposite of what it was empowered to do. It has printed so much lucre to enrich the banks and Wall Street that it has looted the value of the dollar to a tiny fraction of what it was when the Fed was authorized. It also was responsible for the Great Depression and even was directly responsible for the crash of 2008.

    Our Fed is not federal, it is privately owned and operated for the benefit of the banksters who own and profit by the usury and theft at the direct expense of all the rest of us debt slaves.

    -sigh-

    this one needs its own thread.

    I’d be happy to do this on a thread for that purpose.

    I don’t want to take this one so far off the rails.

    navigate through your various “synopses”

    I think you mean “synapsis”

    these are the little things that people need more of

    they get lazy and weak from nonuse and grow dormant

    we all need to re-energize our synapsis from time to time

    you know I symbolically consider these conversations to be sort of like synapsis on a different scale. Just as they communicate on a small and biochemical/electrical level in our cortexes, so too these forums are like the firing of synapses of a different kind as information is passed from one dendrite (writer) to another dendrite (reader) in a kind of massive, collective consciousness.

    hmm

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  • @annamaria
    On point.
    What if J.C. is actually a self-hating Arab? By the way, there has been a very curious commotion about a special blood relationships between Kurds and Israelis in the context of creating a buffer state, Kurdistan, to allow Israel continue stealing other nations' resources:
    "The logic at play is that a Kurdish state north of Iraq will be the nucleus for a bigger Kurdish state that can later annex the Kurdish areas in Syria, Turkey and Iran."
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/20748-strategic-dimensions-of-the-relationship-between-israel-and-iraqi-kurdistan
    About Kurds: they "are culturally and linguistically closely related to the Iranian peoples and, as a result, are often themselves classified as an Iranian people.... The Kurdish languages form a subgroup of the Northwestern Iranian languages." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds
    And yet here we are, "The Genetic Bonds Between Kurds and Jews," http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1626606/posts
    Here is an info on Israel's cooperation with ISIS: "... up to 800 IDF forces are operating in support of al Nusra and ISIS inside Syria, coordinating operations including artillery and air support for al Qaeda and other terrorist" groups.
    http://theinternationalreporter.org/2015/09/29/real-war-news-israeli-commandos-fight-alongside-isis-in-syria-militants-launch-major-offensive-on-syrian-forces-in-golan-heights-with-help-of-israeli-ground-forces
    Israel shows how to support ISIS and profit from it: "...most of the oil would pass between Iraq, Syria and Turkey... but even these three countries would not buy all the oil, if Israel would not buy it.” http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/55127/report-israel-biggest-buyer-oil-smuggled-from-isis-controlled-territories-middle-east/#qsj430bLLBQW1kmw.97
    In short, all that fuss about "inherently bad Arabs" and "inherently morally superior Jews" stops at a baseline.

    On point.
    What if J.C.

    well, if you say so annamarina,

    is actually a self-hating Arab?

    naw. I’ve actually known one Anna. He was Israeli, and he was the most anti-Arab I’ve ever met. Even more so than the Israeli Jews. He called them cockroaches. His own people! I’ll never forget. But this is not ss. ss is definitely a member of the tribe.

    relationships between Kurds and Israelis in the context of creating a buffer state, Kurdistan

    I suspect Israel is using the Kurds as their stooges. Arming them and providing support only insofar as they advance the Israeli agenda. Once they’ve outlived their usefulness, Israel will toss them under the bus like a candy wrapper on a Tel Aviv street.

    I don’t think the PTB will ever allow a Kurdish state because it would be too anethama to Turkey. And I don’t think the PTB would allow Turkey to be carved up because Turkey is always useful as the West’s reliable bitch. Just look at how they were able to get Turkey to shoot down the Russian jet. I’m reminded of that scene in Braveheart when Gibson tells the commander of the British forces to “present himself before this army, put his head between his legs, and kiss his own arse.”

    If the West told Erdogan to do this, he would literally do this. Believe me. It’s a certainty.

    Turkey is so pliant to the west, that they’ll never give her up. That’s why there’s never any talk about rebuilding the church in a new Constantinople. Why bother when the regime in Istanbul is far more dutiful to the west than any Christian could ever be.

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    Turkey is so pliant to the west, that they’ll never give her up.
     
    You're still not looking at things through the proper lens... the Zionist lens, that is. It is not so much that Turkey is "so pliant to the west," as you put it, as it is Turkey's close proximity to the villa in the jungle. With a population of just under 80 million Muslims, the Zionists are determined that Turkey look west, not east. That's why they were and are the staunchest advocates for integrating Turkey into the EU.

    Exhibit A:

    In short, Turkey is heading in a good direction. It remains a shining (and rare) example in the Muslim world of a vibrant democracy with the rule of law and a thriving free-market economy. Much though Western leaders would like to turn the argument into one about Turkey, the real question is for them. Are Americans and Europeans prepared to accept Turkey for what it is: a Muslim democracy, with a different culture and diplomatic posture, but committed to economic and political liberalism? This newspaper hopes the answer is yes.

    http://www.economist.com/node/17309065?zid=307&ah=5e80419d1bc9821ebe173f4f0f060a07
     
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  • @RobinG
    RURIK, YOU'VE RUN RIGHT OFF THE RAILS AGAIN!

    Why do you write this crazy stuff? Not to mention it's wildly counter-productive. Just so you won't sidle back with any passive-aggressive BS, I'll be real clear.

    1. You said, "Look at Putin grabbing up Crimea and soon Ukraine too..."

    Nonsense. First, no grabbing. Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to petition Russia to accept them, and they did. This was peaceful, justified, and voluntary.

    Second, Russia does not want the Donbas, much less the whole Ukraine. Since before the Kiev coup, they've wanted Ukraine to be an independent, non-aligned bridge nation between Russia and Europe, and they're sticking to it.

    2. You said, "...Iran building nuclear bombs like so many Toyotas off the assembly line."

    More nonsense. Iran isn't building nuclear bombs, and just this week the investigation into any history of nuclear weapons manufacture was finished, giving Iran a clean 'bill of health'. (If you want to allege that they have a secret nuclear weapons program, you certainly can't state that they're cranking them out on a assembly line.)

    The whole claim that Iran ever had a nuclear weapons program was based on a laptop - passed to CIA thru German intelligence (who warned it was not credible) from the MEK (you know, the terrorist group that hates Iran) and probably originally from the Mossad. Read Gareth Porter's book, Manufactured Crisis.

    The real question is, Rurik, what motivates you to stick this malicious garbage into the tail end of one of your long rants? (Would I find this kind of crap often if I read all your stuff?) Just when I was feeling conciliatory. As J.C. would say, Merry Christmas.

    Why do you write this crazy stuff?

    I was trying to be “funny” Robin

    perhaps with emphasis on ‘trying’

    it was just my little way of mocking Bibi and his hysterical antics and all the other red-faced ziocons like Willy Kristol and the rest of the zio-war-pigs shouting at us all that Iran is inches from bombing us all unless we bomb them first!!!! Remember Saddam’s WMD and Bibi at the UN with his idiotic cartoon?

    Sorry if that wasn’t a little more obvious.

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  • @Vendetta
    Were that the case, and the Israelis intending to sink the ship quickly, why send fighters armed with napalm and rockets? These are ground attack weapons that cannot sink a ship. They could have sent the same aircraft out with bombs that could have put the Liberty underwater in minutes.

    Just days before, they'd launched a massive, supremely well-coordinated air assault that wiped out the Egyptian Air Force on the ground.

    Why would they have half-assed the planning for such a risky, insane mission as attacking an American ship after all the deliberation they'd put into the larger air war?

    the Israelis intending to sink the ship quickly, why send fighters armed with napalm

    why indeed

    as has been established, Israeli knew this was an American ship. Why were they using napalm on Americans? Napalm is a horrific weapon. It’s what they used on Dresden to burn those people alive. It’s a sort of gelled gasoline that sticks to everything (everyone) and sets them ablaze. Why did the Israelis think such a weapon would be appropriate for use on American sailors? They were planning on machine gunning any survivors left in the water anyways, what’s with the napalm unless just to be sadistic? And on Americans no less.

    These are ground attack weapons that cannot sink a ship.

    that’s clearly what was intended. Here’s a nice photo of the torpedo hole they shot into Liberty’s hull

    one of the reasons they gave the commander of the Liberty a Congressional Medal of Honor (in a secret ceremony, the only of its kind before or since) is due to the heroics he and his crew displayed in keeping the ship afloat.

    Why would they have half-assed the planning for such a risky, insane mission as attacking an American ship

    they planned it fine. But the IDF was incompetent. They fired five torpedoes and only one hit. This from Wiki

    The torpedo boats then launched five torpedoes at the Liberty.[45] At 1235Z (2:35 local time)[43] a torpedo hit Liberty on the starboard side forward of the superstructure, creating a 40 ft (12 m) wide hole in what had been a former cargo hold converted to the ship’s research spaces and killing 25 servicemen, almost all of them from the intelligence section, and wounding dozens.[23][46] It has been said the torpedo hit a major hull frame that absorbed much of the energy; crew members reported that if the torpedo had missed the frame the Liberty would have split in two. Russian linguist and U.S. Marine Corps Staff Sergeant Bryce Lockwood later commented: “I would never deny that it was God that kept the Liberty afloat!”.[7] The other four torpedoes missed the ship.

    Captain McGonagle’s quick thinking and defensive maneuvers were able to thwart the Israeli’s treachery, but clearly they had planned for sinking the ship in minutes, as you say. If just that one torpedo would have hit somewhere else, the ship would have sunk like a rock.

    Here’s a photo someone made and clearly the motivation was to blame Egypt.

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  • @geokat62

    I’m not arguing for these wars. My only interest is here in the States. Our borders, and I want a stop to new immigration from the Middle East. We can’t afford to feed our own and we’re bringing in more.
     
    If you are truly concerned with feeding Americans, you should be calling for an end to the GWOT - i.e., the neocon policy of remaking the ME by regime-changing those countries deemed hostile to the Zionst project to enhance the security of the jungle in the villa. These wars are draining the treasury of trillions, that's trillions with a T, which dwarfs the costs of bringing in more Muslims.

    … the jungle in the villa.

    I just realized that I wrote this a little differently than I normally do. I guess rather than providing the Israeli viewpoint, I was subconsciously channeling the Palestinian perspective.

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  • @Rurik
    Hey Alexander,

    you hit the nail on the head

    http://www.unz.com/jpetras/wars-us-militarist-factions-in-command/#comment-1243380


    had Israel succeeded in sinking the Liberty quickly and then successfully blamed it on Egypt, the United States may well have launched a war against Egypt.
     


    the trillions upon trillions of dollars the United States has spent fighting it…this form of “staged attacks” and “terror fraud” has gone completely ignored ,unnoticed , unrecognized and un-investigated .

    Does anyone know why ?
     
    because owning the Fed has given some Jews unprecedented power in our society. They've been able to use all that moolah to further their interests as they see them by buying up all the media and controlling the narrative. There are things we're not even allowed to discuss if it borders on tweaking Jewish sensitivities. And those whom the Jews hate are eternally excoriated as evil; like Palestinians and Germans for perpetuity, while Jewish crimes get hushed up. The biggest one being the existence of the uber-criminality of the Fed itself, and others like the Liberty and 911 respectively.

    At least in my humble opinion. ; )

    Dear Rurik,

    Hmmmm…

    Let’s step back for a moment and discuss the Federal Reserve…or what you refer to as the Fed…and more importantly why it is there…i.e…why we have it to begin with.

    During the course of our history as a Nation (especially the last hundred years) there have been instances where the federal government has had to “spend ” more money then it takes in…during such times our government creates a” deficit”. The Federal Reserve was created to enable our government to continue functioning by supplying it with the” liquidity” needed to do so, and not shut down because it has “no more money.”

    Whatever money our government “borrows” to pay for this “overage” in spending , we are borrowing from “our selves” at some future point in time.
    the result of this “borrowing from our future” is what we all understand as our “National Debt”
    The Federal Reserve is the vehicle through which that borrowing occurs.

    The Federal Reserve is also able to control our “monetary policy” by either raising or lowering “interest rates” to all the banks that lend us money.

    During times of extraordinary slow growth in our economy, our government will usually direct the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates, which reduces “borrowing costs” to individuals and businesses thereby stimulating spending by the consumer and by businesses that wish to expand.

    During times of extraordinary rapid growth the Federal Reserve may be directed to do the opposite, raise interest rates to increase the cost of borrowing, and tighten the liquidity into the system, thereby “slowing ” the economy down.

    So Rurik, to recap,

    You need to understand that the Federal Reserve is a vehicle ( or tool ) that allows our government to continue to function in the event it spends more money than it takes in, “and” as a regulator to” help” our economy stay on a “relative” even keel , through increasing or decreasing the amount and ease of” liquidity” within the system.

    A few things you may “also” need to know….When various pundits or politicians refer to “China buying our debt”…what they are referring to is China’s purchasing of our” treasury bonds”.
    People often think when this occurs, our “debt” some how “magically”disappears because it is “bought” by China.

    This is not the case at all.

    If China purchases a trillion dollars worth of US treasury bonds… we do not “subtract a trillion dollars from our national debt…No ,no, not at all….the national debt stays” exactly” the same.

    What China is purchasing is more like “stock “in the United States”, in the faith that we will , at some point, pay down our debt and the treasuries will hold their value.

    Getting “clarity” on these institutions, why they exist and what they do….will help you to navigate through your various “synopses” without sounding …err….at times, …a little foolish.

    I hope it helps.

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    Dear Alexander,

    Since I know you're sincere, I'm going to try to help out. Perhaps we can both learn something.

    As I see it and understand it the founders of this nation went to war with England because they didn't want to be slaves to the whims and authority of a far removed monarch whose rule was capricious and often even cruel. But that monarch was not the king of England, but rather the Bank of England.

    You see the colonies were printing their own currency, and this was anathema to the power hungry and greedy fiends at the central Bank of England - Rothschild and his evil mechanism to control and enslave the people of the world. A central bank that loans out money to governments that the people through taxes then have to pay that money back with interest.

    So that every dollar in circulation is not whole, but has a debt assigned to it, that can never be paid off, because when the dollar is issued, it's issued with debt. It's the eleventh marble that Michael Rivero talks about.

    So, anyways the colonists said we'd rather kill every last British soldier and sacrifice our lives in the process than agree to being slaves. I sympathize.

    They won, and that's why for a hundred years these United States was the greatest country the world had ever known. Because the people were free to live without a master.

    Then the Rothschild's Bank of England tried again in 1812, and again they were tossed out. Then later, when a temporary private central bank had been authorized, it was Andrew Jackson that put a dagger into the heart of that snake and kept the US free for a while longer.

    But in 1913 the fiend was resurrected. And Wilson signed our freedom and our prosperity away.

    The Fed was authorized to protect the value of the dollar and prevent the kind of massive swings in the economy that destroy people's lives. It has done the exact opposite of what it was empowered to do. It has printed so much lucre to enrich the banks and Wall Street that it has looted the value of the dollar to a tiny fraction of what it was when the Fed was authorized. It also was responsible for the Great Depression and even was directly responsible for the crash of 2008.

    Our Fed is not federal, it is privately owned and operated for the benefit of the banksters who own and profit by the usury and theft at the direct expense of all the rest of us debt slaves.

    -sigh-

    this one needs its own thread.

    I'd be happy to do this on a thread for that purpose.

    I don't want to take this one so far off the rails.

    navigate through your various “synopses”

     

    I think you mean "synapsis"

    these are the little things that people need more of

    they get lazy and weak from nonuse and grow dormant

    we all need to re-energize our synapsis from time to time

    you know I symbolically consider these conversations to be sort of like synapsis on a different scale. Just as they communicate on a small and biochemical/electrical level in our cortexes, so too these forums are like the firing of synapses of a different kind as information is passed from one dendrite (writer) to another dendrite (reader) in a kind of massive, collective consciousness.

    hmm
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  • @RobinG
    RURIK, YOU'VE RUN RIGHT OFF THE RAILS AGAIN!

    Why do you write this crazy stuff? Not to mention it's wildly counter-productive. Just so you won't sidle back with any passive-aggressive BS, I'll be real clear.

    1. You said, "Look at Putin grabbing up Crimea and soon Ukraine too..."

    Nonsense. First, no grabbing. Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to petition Russia to accept them, and they did. This was peaceful, justified, and voluntary.

    Second, Russia does not want the Donbas, much less the whole Ukraine. Since before the Kiev coup, they've wanted Ukraine to be an independent, non-aligned bridge nation between Russia and Europe, and they're sticking to it.

    2. You said, "...Iran building nuclear bombs like so many Toyotas off the assembly line."

    More nonsense. Iran isn't building nuclear bombs, and just this week the investigation into any history of nuclear weapons manufacture was finished, giving Iran a clean 'bill of health'. (If you want to allege that they have a secret nuclear weapons program, you certainly can't state that they're cranking them out on a assembly line.)

    The whole claim that Iran ever had a nuclear weapons program was based on a laptop - passed to CIA thru German intelligence (who warned it was not credible) from the MEK (you know, the terrorist group that hates Iran) and probably originally from the Mossad. Read Gareth Porter's book, Manufactured Crisis.

    The real question is, Rurik, what motivates you to stick this malicious garbage into the tail end of one of your long rants? (Would I find this kind of crap often if I read all your stuff?) Just when I was feeling conciliatory. As J.C. would say, Merry Christmas.

    RURIK, YOU’VE RUN RIGHT OFF THE RAILS AGAIN!

    It was completely obvious to me that Rurik was being ironic.

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    More friendly fire...
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  • @Rurik

    How about building seven?
     
    y0u haven't read the thread, quite a lot about building seven

    False flags are high overrated.
     
    I know guys who were in the theater when the Liberty was attacked. One of the geopolitical sea changes that have occurred recently was a little while ago, after a false flag chemical weapon attack in Syria was supposed to be that 'red line' that Assad had crossed as the pretext to bomb Syria into the stone age a al Libya. But it was amazing. First the British Parliament said no, which was incomprehensible, and then the US congress said no. This was momentous. And in both cases the motivation for telling the Fiend that they simply could not go along with its latest enormity was overwhelming popular resistance. We the people had stopped that planned adventure of the psychopaths. It was a sea change. This is why we don't have boots on the ground in Syria. It's why we don't have boots on the ground, (or at least very few) in Ukraine. It's why so far in this century they haven't been able to foment major wars other than Syria so far and some other minor dust ups.

    There is a nascent, burgeoning awakening. Slow, bovine to be sure. But like a sleeping giant that's been hibernating for generations, the proles of the West are coming out of their collective catatonia. Lies about WMD and trillions of dollars down the drain while our vets go without care. Lies about 911 that are increasingly becoming widely known. Lies about Benghazi and lies about ISIS and lies about just about everything. And so the American people are not so eager to fight the Zionist's wars for them, are they?

    This is what I'm taking about. Do I expect to change your mind or some of the other shills and stooges? Of course not. But if there are thoughtful people who might stumble onto the truth, here or there or wherever they might increasingly find it, an awakening might just transpire. The proverbial 100th monkey's eye's just might light up, and then who knows where this might lead.

    Already the GOP can't foist one of war stooges on the Republican base, who used to be known for their militaristic belligerence. But no more. Today the man who they're rallying around is saying we should talk to Putin. This is not what the ziocons want. No.

    So something is happening and it's good. We all need to keep plugging away. Pointing out that 911 was a false flag. That the lies about WMD have allowed our criminal government to send our country spinning into ruin for the benefit of the MIC and Israel. And the more people know about what Israel has done, both with the attack on the USS Liberty and the subsequent cover up, and all the American blood Israel has on its hands vis-a- vis 911, the better.

    When more people know they speak out to others they know and trust. Soon people are shamed from agitating for more war. People know it's all bullshit. But we have to keep at it. We have to keep telling the truth because there are a lot of war mongering minions of the Fiend who want us to fight their wars for them. We could be near the apex of Zio-influence in the West due to the Internet. Maybe not. Who knows. But if so, that could only be a good thing, no?

    Look at Bibi, all marginalized and Iran building nuclear bombs like so many Toyotas off the assembly line. Look at Putin grabbing up Crimea and soon Ukraine too and killing ZOGs terrorists in the Levant. Who'd a thunk it five years ago?

    We are entering a new time. A glorious time of nascent human freedom and a renaissance of enlightened consciousness. There is a light that's growing in the collective human spirit. It is saying no to tyranny and yes to understanding. It is broadening our capacity for love and a general transformational exaltation of the human spirit!

    Why just look at how someone like me is able to froth all of these truths at someone other than my dogs who just look at me with a cocked head and bemused expression. We're on a run, son, and the truth is coming out with guns blazing!

    RURIK, YOU’VE RUN RIGHT OFF THE RAILS AGAIN!

    Why do you write this crazy stuff? Not to mention it’s wildly counter-productive. Just so you won’t sidle back with any passive-aggressive BS, I’ll be real clear.

    1. You said, “Look at Putin grabbing up Crimea and soon Ukraine too…”

    Nonsense. First, no grabbing. Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to petition Russia to accept them, and they did. This was peaceful, justified, and voluntary.

    Second, Russia does not want the Donbas, much less the whole Ukraine. Since before the Kiev coup, they’ve wanted Ukraine to be an independent, non-aligned bridge nation between Russia and Europe, and they’re sticking to it.

    2. You said, “…Iran building nuclear bombs like so many Toyotas off the assembly line.”

    More nonsense. Iran isn’t building nuclear bombs, and just this week the investigation into any history of nuclear weapons manufacture was finished, giving Iran a clean ‘bill of health’. (If you want to allege that they have a secret nuclear weapons program, you certainly can’t state that they’re cranking them out on a assembly line.)

    The whole claim that Iran ever had a nuclear weapons program was based on a laptop – passed to CIA thru German intelligence (who warned it was not credible) from the MEK (you know, the terrorist group that hates Iran) and probably originally from the Mossad. Read Gareth Porter’s book, Manufactured Crisis.

    The real question is, Rurik, what motivates you to stick this malicious garbage into the tail end of one of your long rants? (Would I find this kind of crap often if I read all your stuff?) Just when I was feeling conciliatory. As J.C. would say, Merry Christmas.

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    RURIK, YOU’VE RUN RIGHT OFF THE RAILS AGAIN!
     
    It was completely obvious to me that Rurik was being ironic.
    , @Rurik

    Why do you write this crazy stuff?
     
    I was trying to be "funny" Robin

    perhaps with emphasis on 'trying'

    it was just my little way of mocking Bibi and his hysterical antics and all the other red-faced ziocons like Willy Kristol and the rest of the zio-war-pigs shouting at us all that Iran is inches from bombing us all unless we bomb them first!!!! Remember Saddam's WMD and Bibi at the UN with his idiotic cartoon?

    Sorry if that wasn't a little more obvious.
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  • @Karl
    >>>>> South Asians are generally darker than Middle Easterners

    Did you never see a picture of Egyptian President Sadat?

    Did you never shoot the shit with Saudi guys in a strip bar in Bahrain, or at a Saudi Navy exercise?

    Arabs are often VERY dark skinned.


    On the other hand, Huma Abedin's skin color is quite common of real ethnic Pakistanis.

    How do I know? Well, Pakistani frigates in the Gulf don't have water-makers; they have to receive potable water from allied nations. And (in real life) the Pakistani Navy Officers trust Israeli-operated distillers rather more than they do Saudi-operated ones......

    Did you never shoot the shit with Saudi guys in a strip bar in Bahrain, or at a Saudi Navy exercise?

    Hahaha, no I never did. Do you just assume that most people have had this experience?

    In any event, we have gotten sidetracked from my original point, which is simply this: if you are under attack from shooters dressed head-to-toe in black, misidentifying their race is not an unexpected occurrence, and should not be the basis for a conspiracy theory.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Regarding eye witness accounts, they are usually very reliable when they are general in nature. Such as three white men. Eye witness accounts are usually less reliable when you need a high level of detail. Such as telling the difference between two white men who have a similar general appearance. So I tend to believe the eyewitness accounts here.

    Keep in mind the iSteve crowd here who desperately wants the shooters to be Arab so they can advance their narrative of Arabs being terrorists so they can stop Arab immigration. And also the need to get the Dylan Roof shooter out of people’s memories. So these people are hardly unbiased.

    Regarding false flags, I can’t believe there is even any doubt that they occur. Golf Golf of Tonkin anyone? The people who yell conspiracy theorist are just shills trying to ram their version of the truth down the throats of people who are mentally weak.

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  • @Vendetta
    Were that the case, and the Israelis intending to sink the ship quickly, why send fighters armed with napalm and rockets? These are ground attack weapons that cannot sink a ship. They could have sent the same aircraft out with bombs that could have put the Liberty underwater in minutes.

    Just days before, they'd launched a massive, supremely well-coordinated air assault that wiped out the Egyptian Air Force on the ground.

    Why would they have half-assed the planning for such a risky, insane mission as attacking an American ship after all the deliberation they'd put into the larger air war?

    well,

    assuming what you say is somewhat accurate,
    just shows jews must be idiots and continue to occupy palestine because of welfare and protection from uncle braying donkey.

    actually,

    the fake hebrews used what they had
    and since the uss liberty wasnt a caged 4 yr old throwing a rock,
    the fakers werent successful in their attempt to sink the ship and murder the nearly 300 crew members.

    so many govt agents and jews out tonight trying to protect lies by spreading more lies.

    dont cash those checks. already too much taxpayer’s money wasted on jew projects.

    damn,

    wasnt it one-eye dayan who gave the order to “sink the liberty”.

    sure was

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  • @Anon
    If other people did the shootings, how did Farook and Malik end up being found with semi-automatic weapons in their SUV? What were those thousands of rounds for those weapons doing in their apartment? How did that pledge to the leader of ISIL end up on their Facebook page?

    They look guilty as hell to me. Go google Occam's Razor and start applying it. It'll save you strain and hassle.

    Anon. You are going on the official explanation that are not substantiated by independent sources. How can a 90 lb female carry weapons and a large amount of ammunition while wearing heavy body armour? not credible. All witnesses said the gunmen wore military clothing. One of the deceased was wearing shorts. Anyone can post on Facebook on behalf of another person. That is not a strong argument. Where were they for four hours? They should have been a 100 miles from the crime scene? I am not offering a conspiracy theory. You are offering a ”coincidence” theory which is just as bad.You need to be more critical

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  • @Rurik

    But I see no rational motive to explain why they’d have it done it intentionally. Cui Bono? They didn’t.
     
    they wanted to make it look like the attack was done by Egypt. They were at war with Egypt and they wanted the US to think that Egypt had attacked the Liberty and thereby cause the US to stomp Egypt into the ground.

    Is that such a leap?

    That's what all false flags are for. To make people go to war against an enemy who never did anything but who can be blamed for some terrible attack that can be used as a cassus belli for war and rouse an enraged public al la Pearl Harbor, or Gulf of Tonkin, or Sinking of the Maine, or Burring of the Reichstag, or if you're a student of history, there are tones of them going back centuries. That's simply how it's done.

    Were that the case, and the Israelis intending to sink the ship quickly, why send fighters armed with napalm and rockets? These are ground attack weapons that cannot sink a ship. They could have sent the same aircraft out with bombs that could have put the Liberty underwater in minutes.

    Just days before, they’d launched a massive, supremely well-coordinated air assault that wiped out the Egyptian Air Force on the ground.

    Why would they have half-assed the planning for such a risky, insane mission as attacking an American ship after all the deliberation they’d put into the larger air war?

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    well,

    assuming what you say is somewhat accurate,
    just shows jews must be idiots and continue to occupy palestine because of welfare and protection from uncle braying donkey.

    actually,

    the fake hebrews used what they had
    and since the uss liberty wasnt a caged 4 yr old throwing a rock,
    the fakers werent successful in their attempt to sink the ship and murder the nearly 300 crew members.

    so many govt agents and jews out tonight trying to protect lies by spreading more lies.

    dont cash those checks. already too much taxpayer's money wasted on jew projects.

    damn,

    wasnt it one-eye dayan who gave the order to "sink the liberty".

    sure was
    , @Rurik

    the Israelis intending to sink the ship quickly, why send fighters armed with napalm
     
    why indeed

    as has been established, Israeli knew this was an American ship. Why were they using napalm on Americans? Napalm is a horrific weapon. It's what they used on Dresden to burn those people alive. It's a sort of gelled gasoline that sticks to everything (everyone) and sets them ablaze. Why did the Israelis think such a weapon would be appropriate for use on American sailors? They were planning on machine gunning any survivors left in the water anyways, what's with the napalm unless just to be sadistic? And on Americans no less.

    These are ground attack weapons that cannot sink a ship.
     
    that's clearly what was intended. Here's a nice photo of the torpedo hole they shot into Liberty's hull

    http://jfktruth.com/LBJ/USSLiberty/USSLiberty.jpg

    one of the reasons they gave the commander of the Liberty a Congressional Medal of Honor (in a secret ceremony, the only of its kind before or since) is due to the heroics he and his crew displayed in keeping the ship afloat.


    Why would they have half-assed the planning for such a risky, insane mission as attacking an American ship
     
    they planned it fine. But the IDF was incompetent. They fired five torpedoes and only one hit. This from Wiki

    The torpedo boats then launched five torpedoes at the Liberty.[45] At 1235Z (2:35 local time)[43] a torpedo hit Liberty on the starboard side forward of the superstructure, creating a 40 ft (12 m) wide hole in what had been a former cargo hold converted to the ship's research spaces and killing 25 servicemen, almost all of them from the intelligence section, and wounding dozens.[23][46] It has been said the torpedo hit a major hull frame that absorbed much of the energy; crew members reported that if the torpedo had missed the frame the Liberty would have split in two. Russian linguist and U.S. Marine Corps Staff Sergeant Bryce Lockwood later commented: "I would never deny that it was God that kept the Liberty afloat!".[7] The other four torpedoes missed the ship.

    Captain McGonagle's quick thinking and defensive maneuvers were able to thwart the Israeli's treachery, but clearly they had planned for sinking the ship in minutes, as you say. If just that one torpedo would have hit somewhere else, the ship would have sunk like a rock.

    Here's a photo someone made and clearly the motivation was to blame Egypt.

    http://asheepnomore.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/uss-liberty_remember_w-texblk_lg.png
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  • @Rurik

    But the U.S. isn’t dropping bombs in support of the United States’ existence. It’s dropping bombs for…what is it we drop bombs in Syria and Iraq for? Ask Obama, he may have an answer. You certainly do not.
     
    they are doing to Syria what they did to Libya and for the same reason. It serves Israel's interest to do so. Especially as Israel is drilling in the Golan Heights today but it isn't their land yet until Assad falls and then they lay claim to it.

    as I'm sure you're well aware

    your shtick of acting like an American is rather well polished, I'll give you that

    but there simply are no Americans that hate Palestinian's or Muslims that much. Your bile betrays you, and you can't keep from tossing in little clues to your identity because your ego requires you to pretend to yourself that you're so much more clever than the rest of us. But you're not. ; )

    On point.
    What if J.C. is actually a self-hating Arab? By the way, there has been a very curious commotion about a special blood relationships between Kurds and Israelis in the context of creating a buffer state, Kurdistan, to allow Israel continue stealing other nations’ resources:
    “The logic at play is that a Kurdish state north of Iraq will be the nucleus for a bigger Kurdish state that can later annex the Kurdish areas in Syria, Turkey and Iran.”

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/20748-strategic-dimensions-of-the-relationship-between-israel-and-iraqi-kurdistan

    About Kurds: they “are culturally and linguistically closely related to the Iranian peoples and, as a result, are often themselves classified as an Iranian people…. The Kurdish languages form a subgroup of the Northwestern Iranian languages.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds
    And yet here we are, “The Genetic Bonds Between Kurds and Jews,” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1626606/posts
    Here is an info on Israel’s cooperation with ISIS: “… up to 800 IDF forces are operating in support of al Nusra and ISIS inside Syria, coordinating operations including artillery and air support for al Qaeda and other terrorist” groups.

    http://theinternationalreporter.org/2015/09/29/real-war-news-israeli-commandos-fight-alongside-isis-in-syria-militants-launch-major-offensive-on-syrian-forces-in-golan-heights-with-help-of-israeli-ground-forces

    Israel shows how to support ISIS and profit from it: “…most of the oil would pass between Iraq, Syria and Turkey… but even these three countries would not buy all the oil, if Israel would not buy it.” http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/55127/report-israel-biggest-buyer-oil-smuggled-from-isis-controlled-territories-middle-east/#qsj430bLLBQW1kmw.97
    In short, all that fuss about “inherently bad Arabs” and “inherently morally superior Jews” stops at a baseline.

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    On point.
    What if J.C.
     
    well, if you say so annamarina,

    is actually a self-hating Arab?
     
    naw. I've actually known one Anna. He was Israeli, and he was the most anti-Arab I've ever met. Even more so than the Israeli Jews. He called them cockroaches. His own people! I'll never forget. But this is not ss. ss is definitely a member of the tribe.

    relationships between Kurds and Israelis in the context of creating a buffer state, Kurdistan
     
    I suspect Israel is using the Kurds as their stooges. Arming them and providing support only insofar as they advance the Israeli agenda. Once they've outlived their usefulness, Israel will toss them under the bus like a candy wrapper on a Tel Aviv street.

    I don't think the PTB will ever allow a Kurdish state because it would be too anethama to Turkey. And I don't think the PTB would allow Turkey to be carved up because Turkey is always useful as the West's reliable bitch. Just look at how they were able to get Turkey to shoot down the Russian jet. I'm reminded of that scene in Braveheart when Gibson tells the commander of the British forces to "present himself before this army, put his head between his legs, and kiss his own arse."

    If the West told Erdogan to do this, he would literally do this. Believe me. It's a certainty.

    Turkey is so pliant to the west, that they'll never give her up. That's why there's never any talk about rebuilding the church in a new Constantinople. Why bother when the regime in Istanbul is far more dutiful to the west than any Christian could ever be.
    , @Jim Christian
    Anna Marie? You and Rurik need to go get a room. Ted Unz didn't figure on beating hearts getting together here. I figure you and Rurik are good for Motel 6, $21.95. They'll leave the light on for you. You two crazy kids.

    I had no idea you were sliming your thong over me. Of course, that is going to be a problem for Rurik. He's going to question your loyalty. Annnd, he'll be impotent. Your husband will likely prefer THAT.
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  • @Rurik

    How about building seven?
     
    y0u haven't read the thread, quite a lot about building seven

    False flags are high overrated.
     
    I know guys who were in the theater when the Liberty was attacked. One of the geopolitical sea changes that have occurred recently was a little while ago, after a false flag chemical weapon attack in Syria was supposed to be that 'red line' that Assad had crossed as the pretext to bomb Syria into the stone age a al Libya. But it was amazing. First the British Parliament said no, which was incomprehensible, and then the US congress said no. This was momentous. And in both cases the motivation for telling the Fiend that they simply could not go along with its latest enormity was overwhelming popular resistance. We the people had stopped that planned adventure of the psychopaths. It was a sea change. This is why we don't have boots on the ground in Syria. It's why we don't have boots on the ground, (or at least very few) in Ukraine. It's why so far in this century they haven't been able to foment major wars other than Syria so far and some other minor dust ups.

    There is a nascent, burgeoning awakening. Slow, bovine to be sure. But like a sleeping giant that's been hibernating for generations, the proles of the West are coming out of their collective catatonia. Lies about WMD and trillions of dollars down the drain while our vets go without care. Lies about 911 that are increasingly becoming widely known. Lies about Benghazi and lies about ISIS and lies about just about everything. And so the American people are not so eager to fight the Zionist's wars for them, are they?

    This is what I'm taking about. Do I expect to change your mind or some of the other shills and stooges? Of course not. But if there are thoughtful people who might stumble onto the truth, here or there or wherever they might increasingly find it, an awakening might just transpire. The proverbial 100th monkey's eye's just might light up, and then who knows where this might lead.

    Already the GOP can't foist one of war stooges on the Republican base, who used to be known for their militaristic belligerence. But no more. Today the man who they're rallying around is saying we should talk to Putin. This is not what the ziocons want. No.

    So something is happening and it's good. We all need to keep plugging away. Pointing out that 911 was a false flag. That the lies about WMD have allowed our criminal government to send our country spinning into ruin for the benefit of the MIC and Israel. And the more people know about what Israel has done, both with the attack on the USS Liberty and the subsequent cover up, and all the American blood Israel has on its hands vis-a- vis 911, the better.

    When more people know they speak out to others they know and trust. Soon people are shamed from agitating for more war. People know it's all bullshit. But we have to keep at it. We have to keep telling the truth because there are a lot of war mongering minions of the Fiend who want us to fight their wars for them. We could be near the apex of Zio-influence in the West due to the Internet. Maybe not. Who knows. But if so, that could only be a good thing, no?

    Look at Bibi, all marginalized and Iran building nuclear bombs like so many Toyotas off the assembly line. Look at Putin grabbing up Crimea and soon Ukraine too and killing ZOGs terrorists in the Levant. Who'd a thunk it five years ago?

    We are entering a new time. A glorious time of nascent human freedom and a renaissance of enlightened consciousness. There is a light that's growing in the collective human spirit. It is saying no to tyranny and yes to understanding. It is broadening our capacity for love and a general transformational exaltation of the human spirit!

    Why just look at how someone like me is able to froth all of these truths at someone other than my dogs who just look at me with a cocked head and bemused expression. We're on a run, son, and the truth is coming out with guns blazing!

    Thank you. We do need optimism, at least as a defense against the parasitoids that have no hearts and ultimately no brains.

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  • @RobinG
    Is J.C. "a rabid Israeli Zionist Jewish supremacist?" Perhaps. But the thing is, Rurik, he doesn't care what anyone else says. He's a mean old bastard, and he doesn't care who knows it.

    J.C.'s idea that, "We can’t afford to feed our own..." is absurd. We can afford not only to feed our own, but to clothe and care for them as well.

    Hello Robin,

    Is J.C.Is J.C. “a rabid Israeli Zionist Jewish supremacist?” Perhaps. Perhaps.

    I prefer to refer to him a ss Robin, as his “name” is a deliberate provocation as well as “his’ initials.

    So as far as I can tell ss is definitely a “rabid Israeli Zionist Jewish supremacist” – to the core. Absolutely. It positively seeps out of his posts. But he also has enough experience with Americana to pull off a pretty good impersonation up to a point. It’s all part of his little shtick.

    He pretends not to be able to see any connection between the atrocities Israel commits on Palestinians every day and the historic and egregious war crimes and the US is committing on Muslim countries ~with~ subsequent problems with Islam.

    he’d like us all to believe that all Muslims hate us all because we’re ‘white’ and ‘free’ and exceptional Americans

    he knows it’s all a lie, but there again, that’s his shtick, tiresome as it is

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  • @Jim Christian
    I couldn't care less about whatever policy YOU want us to follow. Your agenda is not mine. GWOT, ME, all your little talking points bore me. They aren't relevant. I've already stated my objections to these wars, from Saddam, through Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, many of these I visited years ago in the service, decades after Vietnam hammering out peace treaties, economies, technology shares and in one damned year, the entire Mediterranean coast of the African continent is wiped out and in chaos. Obama and company encouraged and supported and dabbled in the Arab Spring and God only knows the truth about Libya and Egypt. It was a disaster and it was a cherry on top of the Iraq disaster. And now we're headed for a Syrian disaster and some measure of disaster with Russia. I wasn't for ANY of it. Nor am I now. They traded one tyranny for another. Frankly, Arabs and Muslims are INCAPABLE of living in peace. You MUST have a brutal dictator where you have Muslims. It's the way it is. Sorry. That's the facts.

    So stick the Neocon stuff somewhere, wouldja? If you think Obama has his own Neocons, take it up with HIM. The world wanted a reset with Obama, they really got one. How's that working for us all at this point? Everyone at each others' throats, and we have infants running foreign policy, or likely being led by the nose.

    Frankly, screw it. Doesn't affect ME.

    Frankly, Arabs and Muslims are INCAPABLE of living in peace. You MUST have a brutal dictator where you have Muslims. It’s the way it is. Sorry. That’s the facts.

    Oh, those are the facts, are they? What about the former Yugoslavia, where you had multi-ethnic, multi-sectarian communities – Croats, Serbs, Bosnians, Kosovars, Slovenians – living together within common borders? How long did that “nation” last when the strongman Tito died and the red army pulled out?

    Well, the same principle applies to these Muslims you admire so much.

    Here’s a comment I made previously to the argument that the neocons are interested in promoting democracy in the ME:

    As I asserted in a previous post, it is very important to remember the source of the Bush Doctrine of promoting democracy at the point of a gun. It was a book (The Case for Democracy) by Natan Sharansky who was a refusnik and former Interior Minister of Israel. Rather than having a genuine desire to liberate the peoples of the ME, Sharansky devised an ingenious scheme that would destabilize Israel’s remaining enemies. These countries were targeted because they were supporting the Palestinians in their struggle against Israeli oppression. The common trait among these countries was that they were led by autocrats – Hussein in Iraq, Assad in Syria, Gaddafi in Libya – or autocratic regimes – the theocracy in Iran. Since these regimes proved difficult to subvert from without, Sharansky’s brilliant idea was to topple them from within. And this would require little effort thanks to how most of these countries were artificially constructed on the ruins of the Ottoman Empire. The Sykes-Picot Agreement was based on the principle of “Divide and Rule.” So Shia, Sunni, and Kurd were placed within a common border. Good luck trying to establish a functioning democracy under these circumstances. So next time someone talks about the virtue of “spreading democracy,” remember these are really code words for spreading instability and ultimately, bringing about regime change.

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  • @Ron Unz

    What do you think the Israeli motive was? The Liberty attack fails the usual conspiracists’ question of “cui bono?”...But I simply have not seen anyone offer a plausible motive for the Israelis to have launched a deliberate attack on a known U.S. vessel.
     
    Sure, that's a very reasonable question, and exactly why I'd originally been very doubtful it was a deliberate attack until I learned about the explicit NSA intercepts and all the other massive evidence. Over the last couple of decades there have been a scattering of major articles published in the NYT and other MSM outlets suggesting particular explanations, all of them somewhat reasonable but none of them especially compelling, so I honestly can't say the reason. However, here's my own speculative suggestion, which differs a bit from all of them.

    Supposedly LBJ had sent the Liberty, America's most advanced intelligence ship, to the area to keep an eye on things and make sure the Israelis abided by the military restrictions he'd given them for their planned attack, basically he wanted to show them who was boss. So they decided to sink the American naval ship and leave no survivors in order to show him who was *really* boss, and the outcome proved that they were correct...

    Hello Mr. Unz,

    I suppose if we weren’t in the room when they were talking about doing it, it’s a little hard to know their motive. But I’ve spelled out what I think it was rather exhaustively. – To get the US to crush Egypt by blaming the attack on them.

    BTW, one rather ‘out there’ speculation I’ve heard is that Johnson deliberately sent the vessel so unusually close to the coast to make it easy for Israel to sink it. (I know, I know ; )

    but when you consider how he had the jets that were scrambled and in the air on their way to assist the Liberty recalled twice and forbidden from assisting .. (this from the USS Liberty website):

    •The recall of two flights of rescue aircraft that had been launched from Sixth Fleet aircraft carriers. After those flights were recalled, Sixth Fleet personnel listened to our calls for help as the attack continued knowing they were forbidden to come to our assistance.

    http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/

    it doesn’t seem so far out there does it?

    I’ve read that the reason for recalling the jets was to prevent from embarrassing our bestest buddy to preventing a wider war with the Soviet Union at the time.

    Anyways, it’s very nice to see that you’re convinced the attack was deliberate, because that is how I understand it as well. And if so, there is rather a lot of significance in that, and the following cover up.

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  • @alexander
    Rurik,

    I have researched that day. pretty well....I wrote a comment (#17) in a response to" Fnn" under one of Mr. Petras' earlier November articles " Wars, US military factions in command." that addresses the idea of a "template" or "precedent" for terror.as in the case of the USS Liberty.......I am interested in your response...


    Check it out...and let me know.

    Hey Alexander,

    you hit the nail on the head

    http://www.unz.com/jpetras/wars-us-militarist-factions-in-command/#comment-1243380

    had Israel succeeded in sinking the Liberty quickly and then successfully blamed it on Egypt, the United States may well have launched a war against Egypt.

    the trillions upon trillions of dollars the United States has spent fighting it…this form of “staged attacks” and “terror fraud” has gone completely ignored ,unnoticed , unrecognized and un-investigated .

    Does anyone know why ?

    because owning the Fed has given some Jews unprecedented power in our society. They’ve been able to use all that moolah to further their interests as they see them by buying up all the media and controlling the narrative. There are things we’re not even allowed to discuss if it borders on tweaking Jewish sensitivities. And those whom the Jews hate are eternally excoriated as evil; like Palestinians and Germans for perpetuity, while Jewish crimes get hushed up. The biggest one being the existence of the uber-criminality of the Fed itself, and others like the Liberty and 911 respectively.

    At least in my humble opinion. ; )

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    Dear Rurik,

    Hmmmm...

    Let's step back for a moment and discuss the Federal Reserve...or what you refer to as the Fed...and more importantly why it is there...i.e...why we have it to begin with.

    During the course of our history as a Nation (especially the last hundred years) there have been instances where the federal government has had to "spend " more money then it takes in...during such times our government creates a" deficit". The Federal Reserve was created to enable our government to continue functioning by supplying it with the" liquidity" needed to do so, and not shut down because it has "no more money."

    Whatever money our government "borrows" to pay for this "overage" in spending , we are borrowing from "our selves" at some future point in time.
    the result of this "borrowing from our future" is what we all understand as our "National Debt"
    The Federal Reserve is the vehicle through which that borrowing occurs.

    The Federal Reserve is also able to control our "monetary policy" by either raising or lowering "interest rates" to all the banks that lend us money.

    During times of extraordinary slow growth in our economy, our government will usually direct the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates, which reduces "borrowing costs" to individuals and businesses thereby stimulating spending by the consumer and by businesses that wish to expand.

    During times of extraordinary rapid growth the Federal Reserve may be directed to do the opposite, raise interest rates to increase the cost of borrowing, and tighten the liquidity into the system, thereby "slowing " the economy down.

    So Rurik, to recap,

    You need to understand that the Federal Reserve is a vehicle ( or tool ) that allows our government to continue to function in the event it spends more money than it takes in, "and" as a regulator to" help" our economy stay on a "relative" even keel , through increasing or decreasing the amount and ease of" liquidity" within the system.

    A few things you may "also" need to know....When various pundits or politicians refer to "China buying our debt"...what they are referring to is China's purchasing of our" treasury bonds".
    People often think when this occurs, our "debt" some how "magically"disappears because it is "bought" by China.

    This is not the case at all.

    If China purchases a trillion dollars worth of US treasury bonds... we do not "subtract a trillion dollars from our national debt...No ,no, not at all....the national debt stays" exactly" the same.

    What China is purchasing is more like "stock "in the United States", in the faith that we will , at some point, pay down our debt and the treasuries will hold their value.

    Getting "clarity" on these institutions, why they exist and what they do....will help you to navigate through your various "synopses" without sounding ...err....at times, ...a little foolish.

    I hope it helps.

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  • @Vendetta
    Rurik, I am not attempting to justify, only to understand how and why it happened. In my book, this was not a friendly fire incident that can be excused as a normal "fog of war" mistake, but one brought about by extreme recklessness, incompetence, and unprofessionalism on the part of the Israeli armed forces. For which Israel should have faced a much harsher reprimand from the United States than it got. But I see no rational motive to explain why they'd have it done it intentionally. Cui Bono? They didn't.

    And there is no inconsistency when it comes to the lifeboats. As I said, that kind of pointless, malicious cruelty is hardly surprising from the Israeli armed forces if believed they were attacking Arabs.

    Are you telling me you'd be shocked at the idea that Israeli gunboats would massacre Egyptian sailors in their lifeboats? If so, I'd have to be the one now who tells you to stop being naive.

    But I see no rational motive to explain why they’d have it done it intentionally. Cui Bono? They didn’t.

    they wanted to make it look like the attack was done by Egypt. They were at war with Egypt and they wanted the US to think that Egypt had attacked the Liberty and thereby cause the US to stomp Egypt into the ground.

    Is that such a leap?

    That’s what all false flags are for. To make people go to war against an enemy who never did anything but who can be blamed for some terrible attack that can be used as a cassus belli for war and rouse an enraged public al la Pearl Harbor, or Gulf of Tonkin, or Sinking of the Maine, or Burring of the Reichstag, or if you’re a student of history, there are tones of them going back centuries. That’s simply how it’s done.

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    Were that the case, and the Israelis intending to sink the ship quickly, why send fighters armed with napalm and rockets? These are ground attack weapons that cannot sink a ship. They could have sent the same aircraft out with bombs that could have put the Liberty underwater in minutes.

    Just days before, they'd launched a massive, supremely well-coordinated air assault that wiped out the Egyptian Air Force on the ground.

    Why would they have half-assed the planning for such a risky, insane mission as attacking an American ship after all the deliberation they'd put into the larger air war?
    , @James Kabala
    Some people think that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance. But to call it a false flag would mean that the Japanese never attacked Pearl Harbor at all - that actually it was done by the Americans to themselves. I think it is pretty safe to say that that is not what happened.

    The second Gulf of Tonkin attack never happened, it is true - but again, to call it a false flag would mean that the Maddox was attacked by a fellow American ship - not a theory I have ever heard advanced by anyone.
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  • @Jim Christian
    Israel does what it does to exist. They can do what they want, and yeah, if they achieve high kill ratios, what do I care? Muslims shouldn't poke the Israeli lion with rockets if they don't like watching the rubble bounce. Again, why do I care? I am all in on Israeli self defense. It gets ugly. Behave, Muslims, or you will pay.

    But the U.S. isn't dropping bombs in support of the United States' existence. It's dropping bombs for...what is it we drop bombs in Syria and Iraq for? Ask Obama, he may have an answer. You certainly do not. And I'm not for THAT. You people raise Hell about NeoCons and Bush. What the Hell is driving Obama in this disaster? He's no different.

    But the U.S. isn’t dropping bombs in support of the United States’ existence. It’s dropping bombs for…what is it we drop bombs in Syria and Iraq for? Ask Obama, he may have an answer. You certainly do not.

    they are doing to Syria what they did to Libya and for the same reason. It serves Israel’s interest to do so. Especially as Israel is drilling in the Golan Heights today but it isn’t their land yet until Assad falls and then they lay claim to it.

    as I’m sure you’re well aware

    your shtick of acting like an American is rather well polished, I’ll give you that

    but there simply are no Americans that hate Palestinian’s or Muslims that much. Your bile betrays you, and you can’t keep from tossing in little clues to your identity because your ego requires you to pretend to yourself that you’re so much more clever than the rest of us. But you’re not. ; )

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    On point.
    What if J.C. is actually a self-hating Arab? By the way, there has been a very curious commotion about a special blood relationships between Kurds and Israelis in the context of creating a buffer state, Kurdistan, to allow Israel continue stealing other nations' resources:
    "The logic at play is that a Kurdish state north of Iraq will be the nucleus for a bigger Kurdish state that can later annex the Kurdish areas in Syria, Turkey and Iran."
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/20748-strategic-dimensions-of-the-relationship-between-israel-and-iraqi-kurdistan
    About Kurds: they "are culturally and linguistically closely related to the Iranian peoples and, as a result, are often themselves classified as an Iranian people.... The Kurdish languages form a subgroup of the Northwestern Iranian languages." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds
    And yet here we are, "The Genetic Bonds Between Kurds and Jews," http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1626606/posts
    Here is an info on Israel's cooperation with ISIS: "... up to 800 IDF forces are operating in support of al Nusra and ISIS inside Syria, coordinating operations including artillery and air support for al Qaeda and other terrorist" groups.
    http://theinternationalreporter.org/2015/09/29/real-war-news-israeli-commandos-fight-alongside-isis-in-syria-militants-launch-major-offensive-on-syrian-forces-in-golan-heights-with-help-of-israeli-ground-forces
    Israel shows how to support ISIS and profit from it: "...most of the oil would pass between Iraq, Syria and Turkey... but even these three countries would not buy all the oil, if Israel would not buy it.” http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/55127/report-israel-biggest-buyer-oil-smuggled-from-isis-controlled-territories-middle-east/#qsj430bLLBQW1kmw.97
    In short, all that fuss about "inherently bad Arabs" and "inherently morally superior Jews" stops at a baseline.
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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    Vendetta hysterically points out the author does not understand firearms and shootouts.
    He is right.
     
    You don't need to understand the technical details of firearms to know that a young newlywed woman with a newborn baby does not abandon her baby and go off and be a terrorist commando.

    Seriously, WTF is wrong with people who cannot see that?

    J.Revusky,

    I agree with you. But my point was that when people looking into these odd terror attacks/mass shootings, such as the author of the above article, advance weak notions out of ignorance, they, even if well meaning, open themselves up to sharp criticism by cretins like vendetta.
    The likes of vendetta will then focus on these peripheral issues and then throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    Regards

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  • @Jim Christian
    Israel does what it does to exist. They can do what they want, and yeah, if they achieve high kill ratios, what do I care? Muslims shouldn't poke the Israeli lion with rockets if they don't like watching the rubble bounce. Again, why do I care? I am all in on Israeli self defense. It gets ugly. Behave, Muslims, or you will pay.

    But the U.S. isn't dropping bombs in support of the United States' existence. It's dropping bombs for...what is it we drop bombs in Syria and Iraq for? Ask Obama, he may have an answer. You certainly do not. And I'm not for THAT. You people raise Hell about NeoCons and Bush. What the Hell is driving Obama in this disaster? He's no different.

    You people raise Hell about NeoCons and Bush. What the Hell is driving Obama in this disaster? He’s no different.

    We people raise Hell about both sides of the Zionist coin: the neocon Republican side and the liberal interventionist Democrat side. There isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between them.

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  • @Vendetta
    What do you think the Israeli motive was? The Liberty attack fails the usual conspiracists' question of "cui bono?" Following the usual line of logic would lead to people claiming that it was a false flag attack launched by the Egyptians to destroy the US-Israeli alliance. Why would the Israelis take such an insane gamble with their country's greatest strategic asset? This took placing during the Six-Day War; it wasn't 1973 where they were actually desperate and panicking. Why do something so stupid?

    There's no question that the political aftermath of this incident was dirty politics and that the sailors were treated disgracefully. But I simply have not seen anyone offer a plausible motive for the Israelis to have launched a deliberate attack on a known U.S. vessel.

    What do you think the Israeli motive was? The Liberty attack fails the usual conspiracists’ question of “cui bono?”…But I simply have not seen anyone offer a plausible motive for the Israelis to have launched a deliberate attack on a known U.S. vessel.

    Sure, that’s a very reasonable question, and exactly why I’d originally been very doubtful it was a deliberate attack until I learned about the explicit NSA intercepts and all the other massive evidence. Over the last couple of decades there have been a scattering of major articles published in the NYT and other MSM outlets suggesting particular explanations, all of them somewhat reasonable but none of them especially compelling, so I honestly can’t say the reason. However, here’s my own speculative suggestion, which differs a bit from all of them.

    Supposedly LBJ had sent the Liberty, America’s most advanced intelligence ship, to the area to keep an eye on things and make sure the Israelis abided by the military restrictions he’d given them for their planned attack, basically he wanted to show them who was boss. So they decided to sink the American naval ship and leave no survivors in order to show him who was *really* boss, and the outcome proved that they were correct…

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    Hello Mr. Unz,

    I suppose if we weren't in the room when they were talking about doing it, it's a little hard to know their motive. But I've spelled out what I think it was rather exhaustively. - To get the US to crush Egypt by blaming the attack on them.

    BTW, one rather 'out there' speculation I've heard is that Johnson deliberately sent the vessel so unusually close to the coast to make it easy for Israel to sink it. (I know, I know ; )

    but when you consider how he had the jets that were scrambled and in the air on their way to assist the Liberty recalled twice and forbidden from assisting .. (this from the USS Liberty website):

    •The recall of two flights of rescue aircraft that had been launched from Sixth Fleet aircraft carriers. After those flights were recalled, Sixth Fleet personnel listened to our calls for help as the attack continued knowing they were forbidden to come to our assistance.

    http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/

    it doesn't seem so far out there does it?

    I've read that the reason for recalling the jets was to prevent from embarrassing our bestest buddy to preventing a wider war with the Soviet Union at the time.

    Anyways, it's very nice to see that you're convinced the attack was deliberate, because that is how I understand it as well. And if so, there is rather a lot of significance in that, and the following cover up.
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  • @Rurik

    My only interest is here in the States. Our borders, and I want a stop to new immigration from the Middle East. We can’t afford to feed our own and we’re bringing in more.

    I’ve never once sat here and argued anything in support of the psychopathic NeoCons. Those men were evil.
     
    hmm

    yet here we have...

    Israel gets fed up and starts killing Palestinians at ratios far greater than 500:1. Maybe 1000:1. Maybe more sometimes. Of course, given that said Palestinians maintain the breeding habits of rodents, such a kill ratio becomes necessary to maintain safety in the region. And Iran is always good enough to provide reason and cover. What does Iran care?

    Israel performs a service to the greater Middle East. They kill Palestinians.

     

    http://www.unz.com/article/beyond-isis/#comment-1252795

    just an American patriot worried about uncontrolled Muslim immigration?

    or a rabid Israeli Zionist Jewish supremacist?

    hmm

    Is J.C. “a rabid Israeli Zionist Jewish supremacist?” Perhaps. But the thing is, Rurik, he doesn’t care what anyone else says. He’s a mean old bastard, and he doesn’t care who knows it.

    J.C.’s idea that, “We can’t afford to feed our own…” is absurd. We can afford not only to feed our own, but to clothe and care for them as well.

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    Hello Robin,

    Is J.C.Is J.C. “a rabid Israeli Zionist Jewish supremacist?” Perhaps. Perhaps.
     
    I prefer to refer to him a ss Robin, as his "name" is a deliberate provocation as well as "his' initials.

    So as far as I can tell ss is definitely a "rabid Israeli Zionist Jewish supremacist" - to the core. Absolutely. It positively seeps out of his posts. But he also has enough experience with Americana to pull off a pretty good impersonation up to a point. It's all part of his little shtick.

    He pretends not to be able to see any connection between the atrocities Israel commits on Palestinians every day and the historic and egregious war crimes and the US is committing on Muslim countries ~with~ subsequent problems with Islam.

    he'd like us all to believe that all Muslims hate us all because we're 'white' and 'free' and exceptional Americans

    he knows it's all a lie, but there again, that's his shtick, tiresome as it is
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  • You know you’re on to something when people try this hard to slide the topic.

    Besides the excellent questions here, one should ask where the facility’s security camera footage and the police dashcam footage are. And why camera footage wasn’t pulled from every business in a mile radius around the facility. And generally, why the police are so incurious. You’d think if there’s any chance of a third psycho running around that you’d want to be extremely careful to interview all eyewitnesses and keep up a dragnet.

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    • Replies: @Penelope
    CTD, I thought the footage of the Loma Linda doctors' press conference looked awfully tense-- especially when the press asked to speak w the Iranian doctor who was only supposed to be there to fill the photo. The guy in charge was visibly nervous when this happpened. Looked like the Iranian hadn't been prepped. He said something about "curiosity".

    At the end even the headman fluffed his lines about how many massacre patients Loma Linda had.

    However, my overall impression is that in all of these hoaxes, the technique is to quickly involve you in controversy: Hence you take a position on WHICH shooters and forget to ask WHETHER there were shooters. You participate in the controversy over HOW the plane in the Sinai was brought down and forget to notice WHETHER it's a real crash. Odd that aircraft parts weighing tons fell from the sky w/o making contact craters-- especially the heavy engine shown. Same question about MH17 where the heavy parts landed on farmland-- conveniently located near roads where they could have been trucked in. Here's what real crash sites look like. http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/crash-comparisons.html

    Remember: Controversy is meant to focus your mind on the wrong question.

    Do you know how realistic dummies have become?
    Control of our response to what is happening to the world is exercised via deception. We must become more adept at piercing deception. Here are stunt dummies; their clothed bodies, but not their heads, look real. http://www.dappercadaver.com/categories/stunt-dummies/ http://www.dappercadaver.com/categories/poseable-dummies/

    Here is a totally lifelike head. http://www.waldomason.com/#!about2/cvq7

    Please remember that these are not real. http://www.waldomason.com/#!gallery/cox7 For the movies & for hoaxes. http://www.waldomason.com/
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  • @Rurik
    whatever

    it's not your spelling that I'm questioning, it's your motivations in trying at long last to justify what Israel did to the USS Liberty and those men

    machine gunning the life rafts is very telling, because you see they couldn't tolerate any survivors now could they?

    what was the reason for that? I just checked your little copy/paste and they seemed to have overlooked that little part. Sort of the way the 911 commission overlooked building seven, huh?

    what was that you said? The Israelis thought they were Egyptians? Oh, but then you changed that didn't you, and said you were just joking or something. Anyways, we still don't know why they machine gunned the life boats.

    the really significant thing about the USS Liberty massacre is how people today say that they could never keep a handle on something like 911 if it were an inside job. But look at the way they've kept a handle on the cowardly act of war Israel committed? That should have been front page news. There should have been a diplomatic catastrophe and trials and prison time and even some men should have hanged for that crime. But instead there was nothing.

    Proof that the PTB can keep a handle on anything, no matter how outrageous or treacherous. Actually the more outrageous the better, because if it's so beyond the pale that people's minds can't even comprehend the evil, that's the way to do it, huh Vendetta?

    Anyways, I hope there are some readers out there that will take the time to research what happened on that infamous day. It is telling when you're trying to understand and come to grips with what happened on 911.

    Rurik,

    I have researched that day. pretty well….I wrote a comment (#17) in a response to” Fnn” under one of Mr. Petras’ earlier November articles ” Wars, US military factions in command.” that addresses the idea of a “template” or “precedent” for terror.as in the case of the USS Liberty…….I am interested in your response…

    Check it out…and let me know.

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    Hey Alexander,

    you hit the nail on the head

    http://www.unz.com/jpetras/wars-us-militarist-factions-in-command/#comment-1243380


    had Israel succeeded in sinking the Liberty quickly and then successfully blamed it on Egypt, the United States may well have launched a war against Egypt.
     


    the trillions upon trillions of dollars the United States has spent fighting it…this form of “staged attacks” and “terror fraud” has gone completely ignored ,unnoticed , unrecognized and un-investigated .

    Does anyone know why ?
     
    because owning the Fed has given some Jews unprecedented power in our society. They've been able to use all that moolah to further their interests as they see them by buying up all the media and controlling the narrative. There are things we're not even allowed to discuss if it borders on tweaking Jewish sensitivities. And those whom the Jews hate are eternally excoriated as evil; like Palestinians and Germans for perpetuity, while Jewish crimes get hushed up. The biggest one being the existence of the uber-criminality of the Fed itself, and others like the Liberty and 911 respectively.

    At least in my humble opinion. ; )
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  • @Clyde
    OK you have one and half false flag ops. Have any more? How about building seven? That one is a hardy perennial. How about when Floyd Patterson lost to Sonny Liston? False flags are high overrated. You have any others?

    How about building seven?

    y0u haven’t read the thread, quite a lot about building seven

    False flags are high overrated.

    I know guys who were in the theater when the Liberty was attacked. One of the geopolitical sea changes that have occurred recently was a little while ago, after a false flag chemical weapon attack in Syria was supposed to be that ‘red line’ that Assad had crossed as the pretext to bomb Syria into the stone age a al Libya. But it was amazing. First the British Parliament said no, which was incomprehensible, and then the US congress said no. This was momentous. And in both cases the motivation for telling the Fiend that they simply could not go along with its latest enormity was overwhelming popular resistance. We the people had stopped that planned adventure of the psychopaths. It was a sea change. This is why we don’t have boots on the ground in Syria. It’s why we don’t have boots on the ground, (or at least very few) in Ukraine. It’s why so far in this century they haven’t been able to foment major wars other than Syria so far and some other minor dust ups.

    There is a nascent, burgeoning awakening. Slow, bovine to be sure. But like a sleeping giant that’s been hibernating for generations, the proles of the West are coming out of their collective catatonia. Lies about WMD and trillions of dollars down the drain while our vets go without care. Lies about 911 that are increasingly becoming widely known. Lies about Benghazi and lies about ISIS and lies about just about everything. And so the American people are not so eager to fight the Zionist’s wars for them, are they?

    This is what I’m taking about. Do I expect to change your mind or some of the other shills and stooges? Of course not. But if there are thoughtful people who might stumble onto the truth, here or there or wherever they might increasingly find it, an awakening might just transpire. The proverbial 100th monkey’s eye’s just might light up, and then who knows where this might lead.

    Already the GOP can’t foist one of war stooges on the Republican base, who used to be known for their militaristic belligerence. But no more. Today the man who they’re rallying around is saying we should talk to Putin. This is not what the ziocons want. No.

    So something is happening and it’s good. We all need to keep plugging away. Pointing out that 911 was a false flag. That the lies about WMD have allowed our criminal government to send our country spinning into ruin for the benefit of the MIC and Israel. And the more people know about what Israel has done, both with the attack on the USS Liberty and the subsequent cover up, and all the American blood Israel has on its hands vis-a- vis 911, the better.

    When more people know they speak out to others they know and trust. Soon people are shamed from agitating for more war. People know it’s all bullshit. But we have to keep at it. We have to keep telling the truth because there are a lot of war mongering minions of the Fiend who want us to fight their wars for them. We could be near the apex of Zio-influence in the West due to the Internet. Maybe not. Who knows. But if so, that could only be a good thing, no?

    Look at Bibi, all marginalized and Iran building nuclear bombs like so many Toyotas off the assembly line. Look at Putin grabbing up Crimea and soon Ukraine too and killing ZOGs terrorists in the Levant. Who’d a thunk it five years ago?

    We are entering a new time. A glorious time of nascent human freedom and a renaissance of enlightened consciousness. There is a light that’s growing in the collective human spirit. It is saying no to tyranny and yes to understanding. It is broadening our capacity for love and a general transformational exaltation of the human spirit!

    Why just look at how someone like me is able to froth all of these truths at someone other than my dogs who just look at me with a cocked head and bemused expression. We’re on a run, son, and the truth is coming out with guns blazing!

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    Thank you. We do need optimism, at least as a defense against the parasitoids that have no hearts and ultimately no brains.
    , @RobinG
    RURIK, YOU'VE RUN RIGHT OFF THE RAILS AGAIN!

    Why do you write this crazy stuff? Not to mention it's wildly counter-productive. Just so you won't sidle back with any passive-aggressive BS, I'll be real clear.

    1. You said, "Look at Putin grabbing up Crimea and soon Ukraine too..."

    Nonsense. First, no grabbing. Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to petition Russia to accept them, and they did. This was peaceful, justified, and voluntary.

    Second, Russia does not want the Donbas, much less the whole Ukraine. Since before the Kiev coup, they've wanted Ukraine to be an independent, non-aligned bridge nation between Russia and Europe, and they're sticking to it.

    2. You said, "...Iran building nuclear bombs like so many Toyotas off the assembly line."

    More nonsense. Iran isn't building nuclear bombs, and just this week the investigation into any history of nuclear weapons manufacture was finished, giving Iran a clean 'bill of health'. (If you want to allege that they have a secret nuclear weapons program, you certainly can't state that they're cranking them out on a assembly line.)

    The whole claim that Iran ever had a nuclear weapons program was based on a laptop - passed to CIA thru German intelligence (who warned it was not credible) from the MEK (you know, the terrorist group that hates Iran) and probably originally from the Mossad. Read Gareth Porter's book, Manufactured Crisis.

    The real question is, Rurik, what motivates you to stick this malicious garbage into the tail end of one of your long rants? (Would I find this kind of crap often if I read all your stuff?) Just when I was feeling conciliatory. As J.C. would say, Merry Christmas.
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  • @Rurik
    whatever

    it's not your spelling that I'm questioning, it's your motivations in trying at long last to justify what Israel did to the USS Liberty and those men

    machine gunning the life rafts is very telling, because you see they couldn't tolerate any survivors now could they?

    what was the reason for that? I just checked your little copy/paste and they seemed to have overlooked that little part. Sort of the way the 911 commission overlooked building seven, huh?

    what was that you said? The Israelis thought they were Egyptians? Oh, but then you changed that didn't you, and said you were just joking or something. Anyways, we still don't know why they machine gunned the life boats.

    the really significant thing about the USS Liberty massacre is how people today say that they could never keep a handle on something like 911 if it were an inside job. But look at the way they've kept a handle on the cowardly act of war Israel committed? That should have been front page news. There should have been a diplomatic catastrophe and trials and prison time and even some men should have hanged for that crime. But instead there was nothing.

    Proof that the PTB can keep a handle on anything, no matter how outrageous or treacherous. Actually the more outrageous the better, because if it's so beyond the pale that people's minds can't even comprehend the evil, that's the way to do it, huh Vendetta?

    Anyways, I hope there are some readers out there that will take the time to research what happened on that infamous day. It is telling when you're trying to understand and come to grips with what happened on 911.

    Rurik, I am not attempting to justify, only to understand how and why it happened. In my book, this was not a friendly fire incident that can be excused as a normal “fog of war” mistake, but one brought about by extreme recklessness, incompetence, and unprofessionalism on the part of the Israeli armed forces. For which Israel should have faced a much harsher reprimand from the United States than it got. But I see no rational motive to explain why they’d have it done it intentionally. Cui Bono? They didn’t.

    And there is no inconsistency when it comes to the lifeboats. As I said, that kind of pointless, malicious cruelty is hardly surprising from the Israeli armed forces if believed they were attacking Arabs.

    Are you telling me you’d be shocked at the idea that Israeli gunboats would massacre Egyptian sailors in their lifeboats? If so, I’d have to be the one now who tells you to stop being naive.

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    But I see no rational motive to explain why they’d have it done it intentionally. Cui Bono? They didn’t.
     
    they wanted to make it look like the attack was done by Egypt. They were at war with Egypt and they wanted the US to think that Egypt had attacked the Liberty and thereby cause the US to stomp Egypt into the ground.

    Is that such a leap?

    That's what all false flags are for. To make people go to war against an enemy who never did anything but who can be blamed for some terrible attack that can be used as a cassus belli for war and rouse an enraged public al la Pearl Harbor, or Gulf of Tonkin, or Sinking of the Maine, or Burring of the Reichstag, or if you're a student of history, there are tones of them going back centuries. That's simply how it's done.
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  • @Rurik

    My only interest is here in the States. Our borders, and I want a stop to new immigration from the Middle East. We can’t afford to feed our own and we’re bringing in more.

    I’ve never once sat here and argued anything in support of the psychopathic NeoCons. Those men were evil.
     
    hmm

    yet here we have...

    Israel gets fed up and starts killing Palestinians at ratios far greater than 500:1. Maybe 1000:1. Maybe more sometimes. Of course, given that said Palestinians maintain the breeding habits of rodents, such a kill ratio becomes necessary to maintain safety in the region. And Iran is always good enough to provide reason and cover. What does Iran care?

    Israel performs a service to the greater Middle East. They kill Palestinians.

     

    http://www.unz.com/article/beyond-isis/#comment-1252795

    just an American patriot worried about uncontrolled Muslim immigration?

    or a rabid Israeli Zionist Jewish supremacist?

    hmm

    Israel does what it does to exist. They can do what they want, and yeah, if they achieve high kill ratios, what do I care? Muslims shouldn’t poke the Israeli lion with rockets if they don’t like watching the rubble bounce. Again, why do I care? I am all in on Israeli self defense. It gets ugly. Behave, Muslims, or you will pay.

    But the U.S. isn’t dropping bombs in support of the United States’ existence. It’s dropping bombs for…what is it we drop bombs in Syria and Iraq for? Ask Obama, he may have an answer. You certainly do not. And I’m not for THAT. You people raise Hell about NeoCons and Bush. What the Hell is driving Obama in this disaster? He’s no different.

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    You people raise Hell about NeoCons and Bush. What the Hell is driving Obama in this disaster? He’s no different.
     
    We people raise Hell about both sides of the Zionist coin: the neocon Republican side and the liberal interventionist Democrat side. There isn't a dime's worth of difference between them.
    , @Rurik

    But the U.S. isn’t dropping bombs in support of the United States’ existence. It’s dropping bombs for…what is it we drop bombs in Syria and Iraq for? Ask Obama, he may have an answer. You certainly do not.
     
    they are doing to Syria what they did to Libya and for the same reason. It serves Israel's interest to do so. Especially as Israel is drilling in the Golan Heights today but it isn't their land yet until Assad falls and then they lay claim to it.

    as I'm sure you're well aware

    your shtick of acting like an American is rather well polished, I'll give you that

    but there simply are no Americans that hate Palestinian's or Muslims that much. Your bile betrays you, and you can't keep from tossing in little clues to your identity because your ego requires you to pretend to yourself that you're so much more clever than the rest of us. But you're not. ; )
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  • @Vendetta
    Cuckoldry, not "cuckholdry." This is a country where we speak English.

    whatever

    it’s not your spelling that I’m questioning, it’s your motivations in trying at long last to justify what Israel did to the USS Liberty and those men

    machine gunning the life rafts is very telling, because you see they couldn’t tolerate any survivors now could they?

    what was the reason for that? I just checked your little copy/paste and they seemed to have overlooked that little part. Sort of the way the 911 commission overlooked building seven, huh?

    what was that you said? The Israelis thought they were Egyptians? Oh, but then you changed that didn’t you, and said you were just joking or something. Anyways, we still don’t know why they machine gunned the life boats.

    the really significant thing about the USS Liberty massacre is how people today say that they could never keep a handle on something like 911 if it were an inside job. But look at the way they’ve kept a handle on the cowardly act of war Israel committed? That should have been front page news. There should have been a diplomatic catastrophe and trials and prison time and even some men should have hanged for that crime. But instead there was nothing.

    Proof that the PTB can keep a handle on anything, no matter how outrageous or treacherous. Actually the more outrageous the better, because if it’s so beyond the pale that people’s minds can’t even comprehend the evil, that’s the way to do it, huh Vendetta?

    Anyways, I hope there are some readers out there that will take the time to research what happened on that infamous day. It is telling when you’re trying to understand and come to grips with what happened on 911.

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    Rurik, I am not attempting to justify, only to understand how and why it happened. In my book, this was not a friendly fire incident that can be excused as a normal "fog of war" mistake, but one brought about by extreme recklessness, incompetence, and unprofessionalism on the part of the Israeli armed forces. For which Israel should have faced a much harsher reprimand from the United States than it got. But I see no rational motive to explain why they'd have it done it intentionally. Cui Bono? They didn't.

    And there is no inconsistency when it comes to the lifeboats. As I said, that kind of pointless, malicious cruelty is hardly surprising from the Israeli armed forces if believed they were attacking Arabs.

    Are you telling me you'd be shocked at the idea that Israeli gunboats would massacre Egyptian sailors in their lifeboats? If so, I'd have to be the one now who tells you to stop being naive.
    , @alexander
    Rurik,

    I have researched that day. pretty well....I wrote a comment (#17) in a response to" Fnn" under one of Mr. Petras' earlier November articles " Wars, US military factions in command." that addresses the idea of a "template" or "precedent" for terror.as in the case of the USS Liberty.......I am interested in your response...


    Check it out...and let me know.

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  • @Rurik

    Posters have mentioned false flag operations here eleven times.
     
    wasn't it neat how Israel committed that false flag attack on the USS Liberty and slaughtered or maimed over two hundred US crew members?

    aren't you glad that some 60 thousand young American men lost their lives in vain due to the lies that our government told about the Golf of Tonkin event?

    when our government lies, like about WMD or something to mass murder people and get our young men and women killed or worse, we should not complain

    it's unpatriotic

    huh?

    OK you have one and half false flag ops. Have any more? How about building seven? That one is a hardy perennial. How about when Floyd Patterson lost to Sonny Liston? False flags are high overrated. You have any others?

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    How about building seven?
     
    y0u haven't read the thread, quite a lot about building seven

    False flags are high overrated.
     
    I know guys who were in the theater when the Liberty was attacked. One of the geopolitical sea changes that have occurred recently was a little while ago, after a false flag chemical weapon attack in Syria was supposed to be that 'red line' that Assad had crossed as the pretext to bomb Syria into the stone age a al Libya. But it was amazing. First the British Parliament said no, which was incomprehensible, and then the US congress said no. This was momentous. And in both cases the motivation for telling the Fiend that they simply could not go along with its latest enormity was overwhelming popular resistance. We the people had stopped that planned adventure of the psychopaths. It was a sea change. This is why we don't have boots on the ground in Syria. It's why we don't have boots on the ground, (or at least very few) in Ukraine. It's why so far in this century they haven't been able to foment major wars other than Syria so far and some other minor dust ups.

    There is a nascent, burgeoning awakening. Slow, bovine to be sure. But like a sleeping giant that's been hibernating for generations, the proles of the West are coming out of their collective catatonia. Lies about WMD and trillions of dollars down the drain while our vets go without care. Lies about 911 that are increasingly becoming widely known. Lies about Benghazi and lies about ISIS and lies about just about everything. And so the American people are not so eager to fight the Zionist's wars for them, are they?

    This is what I'm taking about. Do I expect to change your mind or some of the other shills and stooges? Of course not. But if there are thoughtful people who might stumble onto the truth, here or there or wherever they might increasingly find it, an awakening might just transpire. The proverbial 100th monkey's eye's just might light up, and then who knows where this might lead.

    Already the GOP can't foist one of war stooges on the Republican base, who used to be known for their militaristic belligerence. But no more. Today the man who they're rallying around is saying we should talk to Putin. This is not what the ziocons want. No.

    So something is happening and it's good. We all need to keep plugging away. Pointing out that 911 was a false flag. That the lies about WMD have allowed our criminal government to send our country spinning into ruin for the benefit of the MIC and Israel. And the more people know about what Israel has done, both with the attack on the USS Liberty and the subsequent cover up, and all the American blood Israel has on its hands vis-a- vis 911, the better.

    When more people know they speak out to others they know and trust. Soon people are shamed from agitating for more war. People know it's all bullshit. But we have to keep at it. We have to keep telling the truth because there are a lot of war mongering minions of the Fiend who want us to fight their wars for them. We could be near the apex of Zio-influence in the West due to the Internet. Maybe not. Who knows. But if so, that could only be a good thing, no?

    Look at Bibi, all marginalized and Iran building nuclear bombs like so many Toyotas off the assembly line. Look at Putin grabbing up Crimea and soon Ukraine too and killing ZOGs terrorists in the Levant. Who'd a thunk it five years ago?

    We are entering a new time. A glorious time of nascent human freedom and a renaissance of enlightened consciousness. There is a light that's growing in the collective human spirit. It is saying no to tyranny and yes to understanding. It is broadening our capacity for love and a general transformational exaltation of the human spirit!

    Why just look at how someone like me is able to froth all of these truths at someone other than my dogs who just look at me with a cocked head and bemused expression. We're on a run, son, and the truth is coming out with guns blazing!
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  • @geokat62

    I’m not arguing for these wars. My only interest is here in the States. Our borders, and I want a stop to new immigration from the Middle East. We can’t afford to feed our own and we’re bringing in more.
     
    If you are truly concerned with feeding Americans, you should be calling for an end to the GWOT - i.e., the neocon policy of remaking the ME by regime-changing those countries deemed hostile to the Zionst project to enhance the security of the jungle in the villa. These wars are draining the treasury of trillions, that's trillions with a T, which dwarfs the costs of bringing in more Muslims.

    I couldn’t care less about whatever policy YOU want us to follow. Your agenda is not mine. GWOT, ME, all your little talking points bore me. They aren’t relevant. I’ve already stated my objections to these wars, from Saddam, through Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, many of these I visited years ago in the service, decades after Vietnam hammering out peace treaties, economies, technology shares and in one damned year, the entire Mediterranean coast of the African continent is wiped out and in chaos. Obama and company encouraged and supported and dabbled in the Arab Spring and God only knows the truth about Libya and Egypt. It was a disaster and it was a cherry on top of the Iraq disaster. And now we’re headed for a Syrian disaster and some measure of disaster with Russia. I wasn’t for ANY of it. Nor am I now. They traded one tyranny for another. Frankly, Arabs and Muslims are INCAPABLE of living in peace. You MUST have a brutal dictator where you have Muslims. It’s the way it is. Sorry. That’s the facts.

    So stick the Neocon stuff somewhere, wouldja? If you think Obama has his own Neocons, take it up with HIM. The world wanted a reset with Obama, they really got one. How’s that working for us all at this point? Everyone at each others’ throats, and we have infants running foreign policy, or likely being led by the nose.

    Frankly, screw it. Doesn’t affect ME.

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    Frankly, Arabs and Muslims are INCAPABLE of living in peace. You MUST have a brutal dictator where you have Muslims. It’s the way it is. Sorry. That’s the facts.
     
    Oh, those are the facts, are they? What about the former Yugoslavia, where you had multi-ethnic, multi-sectarian communities - Croats, Serbs, Bosnians, Kosovars, Slovenians - living together within common borders? How long did that "nation" last when the strongman Tito died and the red army pulled out?

    Well, the same principle applies to these Muslims you admire so much.

    Here's a comment I made previously to the argument that the neocons are interested in promoting democracy in the ME:

    As I asserted in a previous post, it is very important to remember the source of the Bush Doctrine of promoting democracy at the point of a gun. It was a book (The Case for Democracy) by Natan Sharansky who was a refusnik and former Interior Minister of Israel. Rather than having a genuine desire to liberate the peoples of the ME, Sharansky devised an ingenious scheme that would destabilize Israel’s remaining enemies. These countries were targeted because they were supporting the Palestinians in their struggle against Israeli oppression. The common trait among these countries was that they were led by autocrats – Hussein in Iraq, Assad in Syria, Gaddafi in Libya – or autocratic regimes – the theocracy in Iran. Since these regimes proved difficult to subvert from without, Sharansky’s brilliant idea was to topple them from within. And this would require little effort thanks to how most of these countries were artificially constructed on the ruins of the Ottoman Empire. The Sykes-Picot Agreement was based on the principle of “Divide and Rule.” So Shia, Sunni, and Kurd were placed within a common border. Good luck trying to establish a functioning democracy under these circumstances. So next time someone talks about the virtue of “spreading democracy,” remember these are really code words for spreading instability and ultimately, bringing about regime change.
     
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  • @Jim Christian
    I'm not arguing for these wars. My only interest is here in the States. Our borders, and I want a stop to new immigration from the Middle East. We can't afford to feed our own and we're bringing in more.

    I've never once sat here and argued anything in support of the psychopathic NeoCons. Those men were evil. But we need a breather in the United States from the immigration so we can get caught up. That's all. I've said all along since I engaged Unz that not one more bomb be dropped in the supposed U.S. interest. Our problems are here. Too much Middle Eastern immigration, too much involvement of the Mosques. Mosques are the cells and supporting infrastructure for Islamic Terror in the U.S.. They were in the case of 9/11, they were in the case of San Bernardino. And all those in between.

    And for the answer to that: Saudi Arabia.

    My only interest is here in the States. Our borders, and I want a stop to new immigration from the Middle East. We can’t afford to feed our own and we’re bringing in more.

    I’ve never once sat here and argued anything in support of the psychopathic NeoCons. Those men were evil.

    hmm

    yet here we have…

    Israel gets fed up and starts killing Palestinians at ratios far greater than 500:1. Maybe 1000:1. Maybe more sometimes. Of course, given that said Palestinians maintain the breeding habits of rodents, such a kill ratio becomes necessary to maintain safety in the region. And Iran is always good enough to provide reason and cover. What does Iran care?

    Israel performs a service to the greater Middle East. They kill Palestinians.

    http://www.unz.com/article/beyond-isis/#comment-1252795

    just an American patriot worried about uncontrolled Muslim immigration?

    or a rabid Israeli Zionist Jewish supremacist?

    hmm

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    Israel does what it does to exist. They can do what they want, and yeah, if they achieve high kill ratios, what do I care? Muslims shouldn't poke the Israeli lion with rockets if they don't like watching the rubble bounce. Again, why do I care? I am all in on Israeli self defense. It gets ugly. Behave, Muslims, or you will pay.

    But the U.S. isn't dropping bombs in support of the United States' existence. It's dropping bombs for...what is it we drop bombs in Syria and Iraq for? Ask Obama, he may have an answer. You certainly do not. And I'm not for THAT. You people raise Hell about NeoCons and Bush. What the Hell is driving Obama in this disaster? He's no different.
    , @RobinG
    Is J.C. "a rabid Israeli Zionist Jewish supremacist?" Perhaps. But the thing is, Rurik, he doesn't care what anyone else says. He's a mean old bastard, and he doesn't care who knows it.

    J.C.'s idea that, "We can’t afford to feed our own..." is absurd. We can afford not only to feed our own, but to clothe and care for them as well.
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  • @Jim Christian
    I'm not arguing for these wars. My only interest is here in the States. Our borders, and I want a stop to new immigration from the Middle East. We can't afford to feed our own and we're bringing in more.

    I've never once sat here and argued anything in support of the psychopathic NeoCons. Those men were evil. But we need a breather in the United States from the immigration so we can get caught up. That's all. I've said all along since I engaged Unz that not one more bomb be dropped in the supposed U.S. interest. Our problems are here. Too much Middle Eastern immigration, too much involvement of the Mosques. Mosques are the cells and supporting infrastructure for Islamic Terror in the U.S.. They were in the case of 9/11, they were in the case of San Bernardino. And all those in between.

    And for the answer to that: Saudi Arabia.

    I’m not arguing for these wars. My only interest is here in the States. Our borders, and I want a stop to new immigration from the Middle East. We can’t afford to feed our own and we’re bringing in more.

    If you are truly concerned with feeding Americans, you should be calling for an end to the GWOT – i.e., the neocon policy of remaking the ME by regime-changing those countries deemed hostile to the Zionst project to enhance the security of the jungle in the villa. These wars are draining the treasury of trillions, that’s trillions with a T, which dwarfs the costs of bringing in more Muslims.

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    I couldn't care less about whatever policy YOU want us to follow. Your agenda is not mine. GWOT, ME, all your little talking points bore me. They aren't relevant. I've already stated my objections to these wars, from Saddam, through Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, many of these I visited years ago in the service, decades after Vietnam hammering out peace treaties, economies, technology shares and in one damned year, the entire Mediterranean coast of the African continent is wiped out and in chaos. Obama and company encouraged and supported and dabbled in the Arab Spring and God only knows the truth about Libya and Egypt. It was a disaster and it was a cherry on top of the Iraq disaster. And now we're headed for a Syrian disaster and some measure of disaster with Russia. I wasn't for ANY of it. Nor am I now. They traded one tyranny for another. Frankly, Arabs and Muslims are INCAPABLE of living in peace. You MUST have a brutal dictator where you have Muslims. It's the way it is. Sorry. That's the facts.

    So stick the Neocon stuff somewhere, wouldja? If you think Obama has his own Neocons, take it up with HIM. The world wanted a reset with Obama, they really got one. How's that working for us all at this point? Everyone at each others' throats, and we have infants running foreign policy, or likely being led by the nose.

    Frankly, screw it. Doesn't affect ME.

    , @geokat62

    ... the jungle in the villa.
     
    I just realized that I wrote this a little differently than I normally do. I guess rather than providing the Israeli viewpoint, I was subconsciously channeling the Palestinian perspective.
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  • @Rurik

    your profane cuckoldry fantasies.
     
    "cuckholdry" ?

    I said you sound like the kind of person who would hold a murderers' dick while he's pissing on the grave of his murdered American sailor victims. What has that to do with "cuckholdry"?

    don't ask me to read bullshit when I can see if for bullshit a mile away

    that atrocity happened in 1967. I've read all I need to about the details and all the lies and obfuscations that the Israelis could muster

    anyone who still claims that they just couldn't distinguish it from an old Egyptian horse boat is full of shit. OK?

    just like the imbeciles who claim building seven fell down because of an office fire or two. Either they're lying, or they're so breathtakingly stupid that it actually hurts to contemplate it.

    I have tried to learn to be more lenient to those who really are that, um .. challenged.

    I have no patience for the liars or shills, but for those who are children of a lesser god, I've found that some leeway is in order

    it is very hard for me to listen to someone watch a video of building seven falling down and say 'it could have just sort of fallen down, you know. There was some damage after all'

    my mind races, and I'm struck by incredulity. It hits me like a bus. There just is no way anyone can be that dumb!

    But I have to learned to be less critical. There really are people who really are that .. uninformed.

    it's very hard for me to accept, but then there's people who believe that Saddam did 911

    there's people who believe what ever you tell them

    it just causes me cognitive dissonance to try to reconcile my mind to the fact that those people really are out there, but they are. And they are legion.

    so my challenge is to distinguish between those who are liars and those who are, just um .. credulous

    if you're in the latter, then don't copy/paste some lengthy bullshit and tell others to read it

    apparently the Mr. Unz suffered through it, and was not impressed

    he's got more patience with bullshit than I do.

    if you have something compelling to offer in the way of insights of rational observation, then by all means! Please do edify us all!

    otherwise, take your own advise and fuck off

    Cuckoldry, not “cuckholdry.” This is a country where we speak English.

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    whatever

    it's not your spelling that I'm questioning, it's your motivations in trying at long last to justify what Israel did to the USS Liberty and those men

    machine gunning the life rafts is very telling, because you see they couldn't tolerate any survivors now could they?

    what was the reason for that? I just checked your little copy/paste and they seemed to have overlooked that little part. Sort of the way the 911 commission overlooked building seven, huh?

    what was that you said? The Israelis thought they were Egyptians? Oh, but then you changed that didn't you, and said you were just joking or something. Anyways, we still don't know why they machine gunned the life boats.

    the really significant thing about the USS Liberty massacre is how people today say that they could never keep a handle on something like 911 if it were an inside job. But look at the way they've kept a handle on the cowardly act of war Israel committed? That should have been front page news. There should have been a diplomatic catastrophe and trials and prison time and even some men should have hanged for that crime. But instead there was nothing.

    Proof that the PTB can keep a handle on anything, no matter how outrageous or treacherous. Actually the more outrageous the better, because if it's so beyond the pale that people's minds can't even comprehend the evil, that's the way to do it, huh Vendetta?

    Anyways, I hope there are some readers out there that will take the time to research what happened on that infamous day. It is telling when you're trying to understand and come to grips with what happened on 911.
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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    If you were the agent in charge of framing some innocent Muslim suspect, why would you choose this mother of a newborn, if it was so unbelievable?
     
    Oh, I see, a variant on the old Morton's fork argument. The implausibility of the government's story is actually proof that it is true, because if the government was going to lie, they would make up a more plausible story.

    So basically, if the government's story is plausible, you believe it, and if it is implausible, then you believe it, because the government would make up a better story. (And under what conditions do you ever disbelieve the government narrative then?)

    As for the Twin Towers, I’m not convinced that the laws of physics were violated, as there are thousands of engineers and experts who have said otherwise.
     
    You mean, that don't work for NIST or some other organ of the State? I don't think so.

    It's an open secret that building 7 was a controlled demolition. There is no other way to get a steel framed skyscraper to fall straight down like that. The claim that such a symmetrical straight down collapse occurred from randomly spreading office fires defies basic natural laws, yes.

    What frustrates me most of all is that none of that whole argument really matters.
     
    TRANSLATION of shill-speak: It really matters. It's central.

    I already believe the U.S. needs to dump Israel and that the neocons belong in a gulag in Alaska.
     
    You're a shill. You're posing as someone who is anti-Israel in order to try to present yourself as someone credible here. No dice. People surely can see through this. (Well, I can only speak for myself. It's obvious.) If you were genuinely anti-Israel, you wouldn't be trying to spread this nonsense that the U.S.S. Liberty attack was some sort of "honest mistake".

    Not only are you not anti-Israel, you probably work for them and are writing this from somewhere in or around Tel Aviv.


    The whole Truther movement looks like a useful idiocy trap to me,
     
    TRANSLATION: I work for the people who did 9/11 and am blowing smoke here on their behalf.


    The whole Truther movement looks like a useful idiocy trap to me, the neocons’ opposition crawling up its own collective ass and making fools of themselves in the eyes of the public instead of actually achieving anything productive against them.
     
    Oh, "achieving anything productive". This must be one of the current Hasbara talking points....

    Look, this here is a discussion forum. All you can do on a discussion forum is have a discussion. If the result of a discussion is to expose the truth, to help people figure out the truth, then it is productive because that is all that a discussion forum can produce.

    When you say that the topic is "unproductive" all that really means is that you (actually your masters) do not want this topic discussed. That alone is enough to suggest that the topic is well worth discussing!

    Sorry Jonathan, on this subject you simply are not rational, and neither is Rurik. This is a religion to you. This isn’t a conclusion either of you have reached through skeptical, rational inquiry and research, nor is it one you are capable of debating in a rational manner.

    This is something you’ve arrived at through revelation, and which you intend to pass on as revelation. An unquestionable truth, a sacred narrative. You are not independent thinkers, you are cultists.

    If you weren’t a cultist, you’d be offering counter-arguments to dispute the specific claims of Slade’s analysis, not accusing me of being a secret Israeli agent. Now Rurik’s a lost cause, hopeless embarrassment to your own side of the argument, but can you do any better? Can you contest some of the specific claims of the article?

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  • Sure, sure. I’ll post a copy of my DD-214. Hows the weather in Dubai, AnnaMarie?

    I thought you were merely disturbed, but no, you’re deranged also.

    Merry Christmas!

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  • I’m not arguing for these wars. My only interest is here in the States. Our borders, and I want a stop to new immigration from the Middle East. We can’t afford to feed our own and we’re bringing in more.

    I’ve never once sat here and argued anything in support of the psychopathic NeoCons. Those men were evil. But we need a breather in the United States from the immigration so we can get caught up. That’s all. I’ve said all along since I engaged Unz that not one more bomb be dropped in the supposed U.S. interest. Our problems are here. Too much Middle Eastern immigration, too much involvement of the Mosques. Mosques are the cells and supporting infrastructure for Islamic Terror in the U.S.. They were in the case of 9/11, they were in the case of San Bernardino. And all those in between.

    And for the answer to that: Saudi Arabia.

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    I’m not arguing for these wars. My only interest is here in the States. Our borders, and I want a stop to new immigration from the Middle East. We can’t afford to feed our own and we’re bringing in more.
     
    If you are truly concerned with feeding Americans, you should be calling for an end to the GWOT - i.e., the neocon policy of remaking the ME by regime-changing those countries deemed hostile to the Zionst project to enhance the security of the jungle in the villa. These wars are draining the treasury of trillions, that's trillions with a T, which dwarfs the costs of bringing in more Muslims.
    , @Rurik

    My only interest is here in the States. Our borders, and I want a stop to new immigration from the Middle East. We can’t afford to feed our own and we’re bringing in more.

    I’ve never once sat here and argued anything in support of the psychopathic NeoCons. Those men were evil.
     
    hmm

    yet here we have...

    Israel gets fed up and starts killing Palestinians at ratios far greater than 500:1. Maybe 1000:1. Maybe more sometimes. Of course, given that said Palestinians maintain the breeding habits of rodents, such a kill ratio becomes necessary to maintain safety in the region. And Iran is always good enough to provide reason and cover. What does Iran care?

    Israel performs a service to the greater Middle East. They kill Palestinians.

     

    http://www.unz.com/article/beyond-isis/#comment-1252795

    just an American patriot worried about uncontrolled Muslim immigration?

    or a rabid Israeli Zionist Jewish supremacist?

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  • @Jim Christian
    Anna Marie asked, I replied. My service is as described, I'm 58 years old and have my own home North of Boston. I spent thirty years in telecom in DC and moved here in 2009. Who could make all that up?

    Hey, Abdul-Allah Akbar-Revusky, no one was talking to you. But you certainly have the tingles for me. I clearly inspire you. That's good.

    Wonder why/how Unz has attracted the hateful, deranged filth of the radical Muslim Middle East to this site? Disgusting comments sections these days, profane, personal, with the clinically insane enraged and confused at perfect logic. It was good while it lasted. Unz really has the Radical Islamic community in a perfect state of crybaby.

    Ted, I know you hate to moderate, but Jeez, huh?

    Anna Marie asked, I replied.

    LOL. You could have left out the first three letters of “replied” in the above!

    My service is as described, I’m 58 years old and have my own home North of Boston. I spent thirty years in telecom in DC and moved here in 2009. Who could make all that up?

    Who could make all that up? Well, to answer your question, anybody could make that up! Of course! Anybody!

    Hey, Abdul-Allah Akbar-Revusky, no one was talking to you. But you certainly have the tingles for me. I clearly inspire you. That’s good.

    I’m pretty sure you’re Israeli. The way you think that accusing somebody of being an Arab is some kind of grave insult. And then you accuse everybody of being an anti-semite. All this is very typical of Israeli culture.

    That you think calling somebody an Arab is such an insult says quite a bit about you and nothing about me. I am, of course, not an Arab or a Muslim, but I don’t consider somebody calling me that to be some sort of vile insult.

    Wonder why/how Unz has attracted the hateful, deranged filth of the radical Muslim Middle East to this site?

    There are a wide variety of people on this site. It’s hard to know who they are, of course. But I think it’s safe to say that very few are Muslims. There are far more Israelis spreading Zionist propaganda talking points. Earlier, you also hit the “the big problem is Iran” talking point.

    You are not who you represent that you are. I’m quite sure of that.

    Ted, I know you hate to moderate, but Jeez, huh?

    WTF? Who is Ted? Are you working your hasbara on various sites and confusing which one you’re on maybe? LOL.

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