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    Disordered thoughts on the National Cockatoo’s latest antics. One: The aghastment and horrilation about the terrible, appalling, shocking etc nature of gas warfare is nonsense. There is nothing unusually hideous about the use of toxic chemicals. Hideous, yes, but not unusually hideous. Boring old workaday artillery, that nobody criticizes, leaves children watching as mommy frantically...
  • @Simply Simon
    JJ, I understand your anger, but I would be happy if just the major perps would be convicted. Sunday the Austin American-Statesman ran a comprehensive story commemorating the entire incident as it unfolded. Basically it was your Federal government at its worst. Yesterday the same paper ran an article concerning the lessons learned from that debacle, many years too late and millions of dollars too short. In the article one of the FBI agents there, now retired indicated he believed Hillary was the one who actually gave the go ahead to set fire to the compound.

    I would like every one of the the war criminals, from top to bottom, hanged.

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  • With regard to Mr. Trump’s Border Wall, I am skeptical. Now, I freely concede that I am not an authority on Border Walls. In fact, I have never built a Border Wall. This may surprise readers. Yet it is true. So all that follows is in the nature of speculation. Be warned. Still, though I...
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    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/982672367649517568

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  • Disordered thoughts on the National Cockatoo’s latest antics. One: The aghastment and horrilation about the terrible, appalling, shocking etc nature of gas warfare is nonsense. There is nothing unusually hideous about the use of toxic chemicals. Hideous, yes, but not unusually hideous. Boring old workaday artillery, that nobody criticizes, leaves children watching as mommy frantically...
  • anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dagon Shield
    JD, you are so smart and well read yet they have accused of being an Indian... there is no justice!

    you are so smart and well read yet they have accused of being an Indian

    I see what you did there with the implication of that statement.

    I wonder if any hindoo nationalist degenerate with a sufficiently seared butthole will respond to that.

    :D

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    @jim jones
    I am going to enjoy reading Unz the day after Trump gets the Nobel Peace Prize for uniting Korea

    That would be further proof of the Evil Empire’s imminent demise. So, witnessing satan’s pussy slink away with its tail between its legs, should be something to rejoice.

    I am all for Trump getting the Hypocrites, er I mean nobel, Peace Prize.

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  • anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Gittelson
    Goad is a vassal of TakiMag. Cutting and pasting from one webzine to another is considered gauche, if not outright illegal for various and sundry copyright reasons.

    Unz is an okay guy, and reasonably restrained with regard to the multitude of crazies who use his comment-sections for, sometimes, rather wackadoodley semi-hysterical ranting.

    Busy, busy, busy in the Vonnegutian sense.

    with regard to the multitude of crazies who use his comment-sections for, sometimes, rather wackadoodley semi-hysterical ranting.

    I do it all the time. That is what I love about The UR. :D

    See, it is one thing to be armchair crazies, generally quite harmless, just venting our feelings, than be the crazy racist mofers of your kind, who in stark contrast commit satanic evil, causing untold suffering to real people.

    Can your despicable self understand that basic difference?

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  • @Pat Kittle
    Saddam was falsely accused of (specified) "WMD's" -- AND killing Kuwaiti babies.

    But most of all, Saddam was the "New Hitler!!" -- so we urgently had to save the poor Jews from another Holocau$t.

    Without missing a beat, Qaddafi became the next "New Hitler!!"

    And now Assad is the "New Hitler!!"

    "New Hitlers!!" everywhere, it seems -- everywhere Israel orders the goyim to fight its wars.

    Ahmadinejad was the "New Hitler!!"

    Rouhani is the new "New Hitler!!"

    Kim Song Un is the "New Hitler!!"

    Putin is the "New Hitler!!"

    Oy, it's anudda Shoah!!

    Please do us all a favour and rememeber to take your meds tommorow

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  • @SunBakedSuburb
    "... Russia and China have adult leadership."

    They are also non-democratic, authoritarian regimes.

    "By contrast, Trump is a loon, ignorant of practically everything, mentally chaotic, and easily modified."

    That's all true, especially the last bit. But give the Orange One some credit: he was a wrecking ball to the stagnant, hideous Clinton and Bush dynasties. He has also driven the DC establishment and media insane. Pure schadenfreude.

    Yup, regardless of what Trump does or doesn’t do, he has completely outed the globalist cabal and uniparty system.

    To be honest I’m not sure that he even knew why he had such a following. He does not seem like the most thoughtful man. He saw the crowds with thousands of Americans cheering his message, so he kept repeating it. He might not have seen himself in the same way that we “conspiracy theorists” did. So he’s confused and doesn’t see how he’s letting us down.

    Trump did the first bit, and quite frankly it’s up to the people whether or not our society will survive. Trump was a great push through the barriers, and it’s up to us to continue.

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  • @EliteCommInc.
    The British are coming . . . .

    It’s OK if you don’t have a privately controlled central bank…

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  • @Pat Kittle
    Saddam was falsely accused of (specified) "WMD's" -- AND killing Kuwaiti babies.

    But most of all, Saddam was the "New Hitler!!" -- so we urgently had to save the poor Jews from another Holocau$t.

    Without missing a beat, Qaddafi became the next "New Hitler!!"

    And now Assad is the "New Hitler!!"

    "New Hitlers!!" everywhere, it seems -- everywhere Israel orders the goyim to fight its wars.

    Ahmadinejad was the "New Hitler!!"

    Rouhani is the new "New Hitler!!"

    Kim Song Un is the "New Hitler!!"

    Putin is the "New Hitler!!"

    Oy, it's anudda Shoah!!

    Saddam was falsely accused of (specified) “WMD’s”

    Great post, but not to be too pedantic, my post was meant to clarify that the WMD lie was used against Saddam during Gulf War II, not I.

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  • One small quibble Fred, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Syria, and even brave little Israel the most wonderfulest country in the whole wide world (gag), are all Asian nations. So who cares if they “go with Asia”?

    Let the Chinese, Russians, and the Hindoos in India fight over the Middle East.

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  • @Johann
    I bin einverstanden .... “the catcher on the rye” has got to be the biggest fraud ever pulled on the so called literate America A story about a smarmy rich preppie and his angst was just so much dribble on the reading public. Then the/morons who teach in our public schools foisted this crap on the youth of America . Kein wunder that Salinger spent the rest of his life in seclusion ; he must have been ashamed .

    Kein wunder that Salinger spent the rest of his life in seclusion ; he must have been ashamed .

    I remember the gushing by teachers over its “deep relevance” to “today’s alienated youth”. A boatload, if not a shipload.

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  • @MikeatMikedotMike
    Hi Steve,

    Channel Z was a disqus channel (the same mod, a female, had another channel but I forget what it was called) that I received an invite to from taki commenter WhereAreTheVikings. Seemed like a good thing at first, so I posted a link to Goad's TWTP'd a few Sundays ago, and the mod flushed it and all the comments. She was also deleting other posts, and lots of the comments, then when commenters protested, and they were all deleted and or banned.

    I agree with with you on the comments though, and yeah, I don't twitter. I've been lurking around Unz for over a year maybe, but I don't comment too often. Much of the comment content is as good as the articles here, so I'll look out for you and the other former taki vets.

    [email protected]

    Channel Z was a disqus channel (the same mod, a female, had another channel but I forget what it was called) that I received an invite to from taki commenter WhereAreTheVikings.

    Oh, got it now. WATV is a bit midwestern schoolmarm of 1890. Nice person, deep down, I am sure, but I wouldn’t follow her anywhere.

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  • @Steve Gittelson
    Vonnegut was an honorable man, and good writer. Salinger was a hack.

    I bin einverstanden …. “the catcher on the rye” has got to be the biggest fraud ever pulled on the so called literate America A story about a smarmy rich preppie and his angst was just so much dribble on the reading public. Then the/morons who teach in our public schools foisted this crap on the youth of America . Kein wunder that Salinger spent the rest of his life in seclusion ; he must have been ashamed .

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    Kein wunder that Salinger spent the rest of his life in seclusion ; he must have been ashamed .
     
    I remember the gushing by teachers over its "deep relevance" to "today's alienated youth". A boatload, if not a shipload.
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  • @Steve Gittelson

    I tried to use that Channel Z to link to Taki’s articels in the waki of him closing comments, so the usual suspects could continue the conversation. The Channel Z mod deleted the whole post, that had already garnered 100 or so comments, and gave me a snarky explanation for it. I have yet to return.
     
    Hi, Dot Mike. How's it been hanging?

    I don't know what Channel Z is. I have a tendency to avoid Inet shit that is obviously based in Millennial developments post-plain vanilla text-based forums that require some modicum of intelligence from posters. That's just me, and I am one of those horrible meanies who thinks comments should make sense, be sensibly organized to some degree, be grammatically comprehensible, and not diverge into video and links to alien visitor websites. This means I think Twitter is for morons who follow and worship celebrity-think.

    Stick around. Some of UR's stuff is good, sometimes. IMO, it's way too "busy", way too much content on the front page, way too many trivialities, but Unz probably has good motives.

    Hi Steve,

    Channel Z was a disqus channel (the same mod, a female, had another channel but I forget what it was called) that I received an invite to from taki commenter WhereAreTheVikings. Seemed like a good thing at first, so I posted a link to Goad’s TWTP’d a few Sundays ago, and the mod flushed it and all the comments. She was also deleting other posts, and lots of the comments, then when commenters protested, and they were all deleted and or banned.

    I agree with with you on the comments though, and yeah, I don’t twitter. I’ve been lurking around Unz for over a year maybe, but I don’t comment too often. Much of the comment content is as good as the articles here, so I’ll look out for you and the other former taki vets.

    [email protected]

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    Channel Z was a disqus channel (the same mod, a female, had another channel but I forget what it was called) that I received an invite to from taki commenter WhereAreTheVikings.
     
    Oh, got it now. WATV is a bit midwestern schoolmarm of 1890. Nice person, deep down, I am sure, but I wouldn't follow her anywhere.
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  • @geokat62

    Note that Washington has a history of lying the country into wars. The Maine in 1898, the Gulf of Tonkin, the imaginary WMD in Gulf I.
     
    I thought Gulf I was fought over the lies that Saddam's forces were killing little babies in Kuwaiti hospitals?

    Saddam was falsely accused of (specified) “WMD’s” — AND killing Kuwaiti babies.

    But most of all, Saddam was the “New Hitler!!” — so we urgently had to save the poor Jews from another Holocau$t.

    Without missing a beat, Qaddafi became the next “New Hitler!!”

    And now Assad is the “New Hitler!!”

    “New Hitlers!!” everywhere, it seems — everywhere Israel orders the goyim to fight its wars.

    Ahmadinejad was the “New Hitler!!”

    Rouhani is the new “New Hitler!!”

    Kim Song Un is the “New Hitler!!”

    Putin is the “New Hitler!!”

    Oy, it’s anudda Shoah!!

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    Saddam was falsely accused of (specified) “WMD’s”
     
    Great post, but not to be too pedantic, my post was meant to clarify that the WMD lie was used against Saddam during Gulf War II, not I.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Please do us all a favour and rememeber to take your meds tommorow
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  • I wonder how much of the public’s alarm whenever Anthrax is mentioned comes from the fact that it’s also the name of a popular 80’s thrash metal band. Hence, it must be really sinister.

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  • Pretty silly based on WWI experience and later treaties.

    Obviously the author is just wallpaper with nothing of sense to add, except as filler.

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  • @Bardon Kaldian

    Notice that Taki put up a Coulter column? That’s a red flag that TakiMag already feels the impact of comment-closure. I also am inclined to wonder who that chick-hating doofuss, DeGroot, is related to? Must be someone on the Israeli side of Theodoracopulos’ cousins.
     
    Haven't seen Coulter, but Taki's flavor was culture & politics & social commentary. Not just politics & not just a few obsessive themes (IQ, JQ, black crime,..).

    DeGroot...I mostly skipped his contributions. Be as it may, Taki's was different, rather different from unz.com (which is about politics, conspiracies & fringe ideas); or American Renaissance (which is mostly about color of crime & IQ). Other similar sites have too much traffic or are way too loony...

    Haven’t seen Coulter, but Taki’s flavor was culture & politics & social commentary.

    Yes, there is a Coulter column, now scrolled-past the top-clicker, but visible down the page. A startling contrast to the DeGroot dreck posted the same day. Surprised me, because Annie demands money for those columns, no fooling. Or, maybe she gave it away as a marketing lead. Dunno.

    Yeh, any presence of anti-Deep State websites is fading fast, or mostly redirected to a handful of loony bins, or hyper-religious wackos like the AR crowd.

    A corollary to Goebbel’s “Big Lie” theory is that small lies must be repeated just as often as the big ones. No opposition momentum must ever be allowed to form.

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  • Far more palatable than your constant immigration advocacy.

    No doubt we have needlessly violated the sovereignty of numerous states and need to stop.

    But in this Pres trump is buy a minor player, perhaps even a reluctant player save for the sword dangling above his head and a desire to be seen as humanitarian hero. I prefer he start at home.

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  • “… Russia and China have adult leadership.”

    They are also non-democratic, authoritarian regimes.

    “By contrast, Trump is a loon, ignorant of practically everything, mentally chaotic, and easily modified.”

    That’s all true, especially the last bit. But give the Orange One some credit: he was a wrecking ball to the stagnant, hideous Clinton and Bush dynasties. He has also driven the DC establishment and media insane. Pure schadenfreude.

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    Yup, regardless of what Trump does or doesn't do, he has completely outed the globalist cabal and uniparty system.

    To be honest I'm not sure that he even knew why he had such a following. He does not seem like the most thoughtful man. He saw the crowds with thousands of Americans cheering his message, so he kept repeating it. He might not have seen himself in the same way that we "conspiracy theorists" did. So he's confused and doesn't see how he's letting us down.

    Trump did the first bit, and quite frankly it's up to the people whether or not our society will survive. Trump was a great push through the barriers, and it's up to us to continue.
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  • @Logan
    What were the lies involved in the War of 1812?

    The British are coming . . . .

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    It's OK if you don't have a privately controlled central bank...
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  • @MikeatMikedotMike
    I tried to use that Channel Z to link to Taki's articels in the waki of him closing comments, so the usual suspects could continue the conversation. The Channel Z mod deleted the whole post, that had already garnered 100 or so comments, and gave me a snarky explanation for it. I have yet to return.

    I tried to use that Channel Z to link to Taki’s articels in the waki of him closing comments, so the usual suspects could continue the conversation. The Channel Z mod deleted the whole post, that had already garnered 100 or so comments, and gave me a snarky explanation for it. I have yet to return.

    Hi, Dot Mike. How’s it been hanging?

    I don’t know what Channel Z is. I have a tendency to avoid Inet shit that is obviously based in Millennial developments post-plain vanilla text-based forums that require some modicum of intelligence from posters. That’s just me, and I am one of those horrible meanies who thinks comments should make sense, be sensibly organized to some degree, be grammatically comprehensible, and not diverge into video and links to alien visitor websites. This means I think Twitter is for morons who follow and worship celebrity-think.

    Stick around. Some of UR’s stuff is good, sometimes. IMO, it’s way too “busy”, way too much content on the front page, way too many trivialities, but Unz probably has good motives.

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    Hi Steve,

    Channel Z was a disqus channel (the same mod, a female, had another channel but I forget what it was called) that I received an invite to from taki commenter WhereAreTheVikings. Seemed like a good thing at first, so I posted a link to Goad's TWTP'd a few Sundays ago, and the mod flushed it and all the comments. She was also deleting other posts, and lots of the comments, then when commenters protested, and they were all deleted and or banned.

    I agree with with you on the comments though, and yeah, I don't twitter. I've been lurking around Unz for over a year maybe, but I don't comment too often. Much of the comment content is as good as the articles here, so I'll look out for you and the other former taki vets.

    [email protected]
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  • @Steve Gittelson

    Since dissolution of Takitariat, I’ve been to Taki’s perhaps 3-4 times. Didn’t even bother to read anything.

    I guess there will be a diminished readership for a time & it will all, eventually, die out. Without comments, this is not too interesting a place…
     
    I may yet put up an online forum that enables comments directly to TakiMag articles in a "parallel window" mode. At the moment, I am working on something revenue-generating in nature, which takes precedence over providing a new forum for TakiMag's crazies, so that will wait.

    Notice that Taki put up a Coulter column? That's a red flag that TakiMag already feels the impact of comment-closure. I also am inclined to wonder who that chick-hating doofuss, DeGroot, is related to? Must be someone on the Israeli side of Theodoracopulos' cousins.

    Notice that Taki put up a Coulter column? That’s a red flag that TakiMag already feels the impact of comment-closure. I also am inclined to wonder who that chick-hating doofuss, DeGroot, is related to? Must be someone on the Israeli side of Theodoracopulos’ cousins.

    Haven’t seen Coulter, but Taki’s flavor was culture & politics & social commentary. Not just politics & not just a few obsessive themes (IQ, JQ, black crime,..).

    DeGroot…I mostly skipped his contributions. Be as it may, Taki’s was different, rather different from unz.com (which is about politics, conspiracies & fringe ideas); or American Renaissance (which is mostly about color of crime & IQ). Other similar sites have too much traffic or are way too loony…

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    Haven’t seen Coulter, but Taki’s flavor was culture & politics & social commentary.
     
    Yes, there is a Coulter column, now scrolled-past the top-clicker, but visible down the page. A startling contrast to the DeGroot dreck posted the same day. Surprised me, because Annie demands money for those columns, no fooling. Or, maybe she gave it away as a marketing lead. Dunno.

    Yeh, any presence of anti-Deep State websites is fading fast, or mostly redirected to a handful of loony bins, or hyper-religious wackos like the AR crowd.

    A corollary to Goebbel's "Big Lie" theory is that small lies must be repeated just as often as the big ones. No opposition momentum must ever be allowed to form.
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  • @Steve Gittelson

    Since dissolution of Takitariat, I’ve been to Taki’s perhaps 3-4 times. Didn’t even bother to read anything.

    I guess there will be a diminished readership for a time & it will all, eventually, die out. Without comments, this is not too interesting a place…
     
    I may yet put up an online forum that enables comments directly to TakiMag articles in a "parallel window" mode. At the moment, I am working on something revenue-generating in nature, which takes precedence over providing a new forum for TakiMag's crazies, so that will wait.

    Notice that Taki put up a Coulter column? That's a red flag that TakiMag already feels the impact of comment-closure. I also am inclined to wonder who that chick-hating doofuss, DeGroot, is related to? Must be someone on the Israeli side of Theodoracopulos' cousins.

    I tried to use that Channel Z to link to Taki’s articels in the waki of him closing comments, so the usual suspects could continue the conversation. The Channel Z mod deleted the whole post, that had already garnered 100 or so comments, and gave me a snarky explanation for it. I have yet to return.

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    I tried to use that Channel Z to link to Taki’s articels in the waki of him closing comments, so the usual suspects could continue the conversation. The Channel Z mod deleted the whole post, that had already garnered 100 or so comments, and gave me a snarky explanation for it. I have yet to return.
     
    Hi, Dot Mike. How's it been hanging?

    I don't know what Channel Z is. I have a tendency to avoid Inet shit that is obviously based in Millennial developments post-plain vanilla text-based forums that require some modicum of intelligence from posters. That's just me, and I am one of those horrible meanies who thinks comments should make sense, be sensibly organized to some degree, be grammatically comprehensible, and not diverge into video and links to alien visitor websites. This means I think Twitter is for morons who follow and worship celebrity-think.

    Stick around. Some of UR's stuff is good, sometimes. IMO, it's way too "busy", way too much content on the front page, way too many trivialities, but Unz probably has good motives.
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  • @Bardon Kaldian
    Since dissolution of Takitariat, I've been to Taki's perhaps 3-4 times. Didn't even bother to read anything.

    I guess there will be a diminished readership for a time & it will all, eventually, die out. Without comments, this is not too interesting a place...

    Since dissolution of Takitariat, I’ve been to Taki’s perhaps 3-4 times. Didn’t even bother to read anything.

    I guess there will be a diminished readership for a time & it will all, eventually, die out. Without comments, this is not too interesting a place…

    I may yet put up an online forum that enables comments directly to TakiMag articles in a “parallel window” mode. At the moment, I am working on something revenue-generating in nature, which takes precedence over providing a new forum for TakiMag’s crazies, so that will wait.

    Notice that Taki put up a Coulter column? That’s a red flag that TakiMag already feels the impact of comment-closure. I also am inclined to wonder who that chick-hating doofuss, DeGroot, is related to? Must be someone on the Israeli side of Theodoracopulos’ cousins.

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    I tried to use that Channel Z to link to Taki's articels in the waki of him closing comments, so the usual suspects could continue the conversation. The Channel Z mod deleted the whole post, that had already garnered 100 or so comments, and gave me a snarky explanation for it. I have yet to return.
    , @Bardon Kaldian

    Notice that Taki put up a Coulter column? That’s a red flag that TakiMag already feels the impact of comment-closure. I also am inclined to wonder who that chick-hating doofuss, DeGroot, is related to? Must be someone on the Israeli side of Theodoracopulos’ cousins.
     
    Haven't seen Coulter, but Taki's flavor was culture & politics & social commentary. Not just politics & not just a few obsessive themes (IQ, JQ, black crime,..).

    DeGroot...I mostly skipped his contributions. Be as it may, Taki's was different, rather different from unz.com (which is about politics, conspiracies & fringe ideas); or American Renaissance (which is mostly about color of crime & IQ). Other similar sites have too much traffic or are way too loony...
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  • @Logan
    You have a good point about the criticism of Jews.

    Used to comment some at Taki, and some of the postsdid indeed blame the Jews for everything imaginable and some things that weren't imaginable.

    However, your other remark is also appropriate.

    A year or so ago I remarked on a website about the odd issue of Jews leading the fight against "white privilege." I hunted down Jewish/Gentile statistics and compared them to the similar black/white statistics that are commonly used to prove the existence of white privilege. I noted that these statistics showed pretty clearly that Jewish Privilege is much stronger than White Privilege. (Assuming one accepts such statistics as relevant, as the White Privilege denouncers normally do.)

    Oh my word! Hysterics ensued.

    I am not in the least anti-Semitic, but I am also not blind. Clearly many (most?) Jews do not think the rules they impose on others should be applied to them. For instance, if it is unfair for any (prestigious) occupation to be held by whites above their proportion of the population, it is equally unfair for Jews to disproportionately occupy those positions. I was not even objecting to the fact of this disproportion, but rather to the hypocrisy of differential application of what are purportedly universal rules.

    Never did get a rational response to my post, only hysterical denunciation.

    Since dissolution of Takitariat, I’ve been to Taki’s perhaps 3-4 times. Didn’t even bother to read anything.

    I guess there will be a diminished readership for a time & it will all, eventually, die out. Without comments, this is not too interesting a place…

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    Since dissolution of Takitariat, I’ve been to Taki’s perhaps 3-4 times. Didn’t even bother to read anything.

    I guess there will be a diminished readership for a time & it will all, eventually, die out. Without comments, this is not too interesting a place…
     
    I may yet put up an online forum that enables comments directly to TakiMag articles in a "parallel window" mode. At the moment, I am working on something revenue-generating in nature, which takes precedence over providing a new forum for TakiMag's crazies, so that will wait.

    Notice that Taki put up a Coulter column? That's a red flag that TakiMag already feels the impact of comment-closure. I also am inclined to wonder who that chick-hating doofuss, DeGroot, is related to? Must be someone on the Israeli side of Theodoracopulos' cousins.
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  • @Thorfinnsson
    At this stage in the game I'm not one to ramble about "3D Chess", but I get the sense that Trump's tweeting was intended to warn Putin and thus deescalate. Of course on the flip side we have (uncomfirmed) reports that Trump and his bloodthirsty NSC chair Fox Bolton were arguing for a bigger attack than the generals would agree to.

    If nothing else it's quite clear that any effort to withdraw from Syria simply immediately results in a false flag attack. Even if chemical weapons were as awful as is supposed (I agree with Mr. Reed), that doesn't make it relevant to American interests.

    The strangest thing with Syria is how obsessed the Empire is with destroying it. Various reasons are given such as Israel, gas pipelines, and containing Iran. At the end of the day I think it's primarily psychological. The Empire is outraged that the Assman dares to resist.`

    The entire ‘horrors of gassing’ canard is based upon the fake & impossible ‘Nazi gas chambers’.
    The alleged & impossible ‘Nazi gas chambers’ simply could not have done what is alleged, in fact the claims are laughable.
    recommended:
    - For a thorough demolition of the alleged Auschwitz gas chambers & alleged Auschwitz homicidal gassing process see analysis at:

    http://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=model&t=10798&sf=msgonly

    and:
    - The Auschwitz “Gas Chamber” Illusion by Nicholas Kollerstrom

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9689

    view:
    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau

    “It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong.”
    - Voltaire

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

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  • @Logan
    You have a good point about the criticism of Jews.

    Used to comment some at Taki, and some of the postsdid indeed blame the Jews for everything imaginable and some things that weren't imaginable.

    However, your other remark is also appropriate.

    A year or so ago I remarked on a website about the odd issue of Jews leading the fight against "white privilege." I hunted down Jewish/Gentile statistics and compared them to the similar black/white statistics that are commonly used to prove the existence of white privilege. I noted that these statistics showed pretty clearly that Jewish Privilege is much stronger than White Privilege. (Assuming one accepts such statistics as relevant, as the White Privilege denouncers normally do.)

    Oh my word! Hysterics ensued.

    I am not in the least anti-Semitic, but I am also not blind. Clearly many (most?) Jews do not think the rules they impose on others should be applied to them. For instance, if it is unfair for any (prestigious) occupation to be held by whites above their proportion of the population, it is equally unfair for Jews to disproportionately occupy those positions. I was not even objecting to the fact of this disproportion, but rather to the hypocrisy of differential application of what are purportedly universal rules.

    Never did get a rational response to my post, only hysterical denunciation.

    Never did get a rational response to my post, only hysterical denunciation.

    That’s all you will ever get from Jews, unless you become sufficiently troublesome that you must be dealt with through control of your employer or local government.

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  • @Anon
    (different anon)

    not because a megalomaniac like Hitler thought my gracious, chemical warfare is just too cruel to inflict on my enemies
     
    It was and is widely thought to be unethical, probably because it is like a poison. It was quite effective in limited scenarios, which is why it was used in WWI and why the British seem to have used it in Iraq. Hitler actually did make some attempt to follow international rules of war, which is why the Blitz was not until after the British had bombed Berlin.

    The British bombed many German civilian cities/towns before they bombed Berlin … long before Germany was forced to retaliate.
    see:

    Who started bombing civilians first:Germany or Great Britain

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8172

    http://www.codoh.com

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  • @Toynbee
    Excuse me, but Toynbee reads very well, thank you.

    Excuse me, but Toynbee reads very well, thank you.

    So does Heinlein’s I Will Fear No Evil.

    See what I did there? ;-)

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  • @jilles dykstra
    What about animal Churchill ?
    He defended the use of gas in by him Damascus in 1918 in the British parliament.

    Do animals know right from wrong?

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  • @jim jones
    I am going to enjoy reading Unz the day after Trump gets the Nobel Peace Prize for uniting Korea

    They will find a way to deny it…

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  • @jilles dykstra
    " even the perfidious Yanks couldn’t force her to behave with such reckless idiocy in the Pacific. "
    Read
    William L. Neumann, ‘America encounters Japan, From Perry to MacArthur’, 1963, 1965, New York
    Yukichi Fukuzawa, 'De poorten gaan open', 1978 Amsterdam (The Autobiography of Fukuzawa Yukichi, Tokyo 1934, 1899)
    Lt.-Comdr. Tóta Ishimaru, I.J.N., 'Japan must fight Britain', written in 1935, UK 1937
    Japan, one of the USA's sorcerer apprentices.
    Some others: Saddam, the present Iranian regime, North Korea, ISIS.

    JD, you are so smart and well read yet they have accused of being an Indian… there is no justice!

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    you are so smart and well read yet they have accused of being an Indian
     
    I see what you did there with the implication of that statement.

    I wonder if any hindoo nationalist degenerate with a sufficiently seared butthole will respond to that.

    :D
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  • The gas attack was a false flag by the white helmets who are working for the U.S. and ISRAEL and BRITAIN, Assad has never gassed his people, and no one was killed in this latest fake attack, this was used as a catalyst to get the U.S. to attack Syria again.

    The U.S has no legal right to be in Syria and had no legal right to bomb and invade Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria and Yemen and the dozens of other countries where the zionist controlled U.S. gov has gone to war illegally on behalf of the Zionist controlled MIC and the zionist controlled banks, all wars are banker wars.

    Read THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION to see what the zionists have done and are doing in their drive for a zionist NWO.

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  • @Thorfinnsson
    At this stage in the game I'm not one to ramble about "3D Chess", but I get the sense that Trump's tweeting was intended to warn Putin and thus deescalate. Of course on the flip side we have (uncomfirmed) reports that Trump and his bloodthirsty NSC chair Fox Bolton were arguing for a bigger attack than the generals would agree to.

    If nothing else it's quite clear that any effort to withdraw from Syria simply immediately results in a false flag attack. Even if chemical weapons were as awful as is supposed (I agree with Mr. Reed), that doesn't make it relevant to American interests.

    The strangest thing with Syria is how obsessed the Empire is with destroying it. Various reasons are given such as Israel, gas pipelines, and containing Iran. At the end of the day I think it's primarily psychological. The Empire is outraged that the Assman dares to resist.`

    At least, on the subject of Empire, the fools here won’t accuse of being an Indian!

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  • Note that Washington has a history of lying the country into wars. The Maine in 1898, the Gulf of Tonkin, the imaginary WMD in Gulf I.

    I thought Gulf I was fought over the lies that Saddam’s forces were killing little babies in Kuwaiti hospitals?

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    Saddam was falsely accused of (specified) "WMD's" -- AND killing Kuwaiti babies.

    But most of all, Saddam was the "New Hitler!!" -- so we urgently had to save the poor Jews from another Holocau$t.

    Without missing a beat, Qaddafi became the next "New Hitler!!"

    And now Assad is the "New Hitler!!"

    "New Hitlers!!" everywhere, it seems -- everywhere Israel orders the goyim to fight its wars.

    Ahmadinejad was the "New Hitler!!"

    Rouhani is the new "New Hitler!!"

    Kim Song Un is the "New Hitler!!"

    Putin is the "New Hitler!!"

    Oy, it's anudda Shoah!!

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  • This is the first time, or at least, the first time I’ve noticed, that this author has gone for out-and-out pro-Putin propaganda. That said, he doesn’t say anything new. It’s just the umpteenth rendition of the standard line.

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  • @Pat Kittle
    Thanks, I'm familiar with Jim Goad from TakiMag (which banned me years ago).

    Recently (as you likely know) all commenters (& all their previous comments) are banned from TakiMag -- allegedly because some criticized Jews:
    -- [ http://takimag.com/article/gag_reflex#axzz5D9nCpS6k ].

    A favorite straw-man refrain from Jewish censors everywhere:

    "Oh, just blame da Joos for everything -- meteors, hurricanes..."

    As we know, few blame Jews for EVERYTHING -- the goal of Jewish censors is to ban criticism of Jews for ANYTHING.

    Anyway, Goad might be a good fit here at Unz, joining other TakiMag columnists already here.

    Unz is my #1 go-to website. Thanks, Ron.

    By the way. Pat, I love Goad’s writing, a friend introduced me to Answer Me, she had the first three, I have the compendium of those, want to buy the rape issue, too.

    He is also something of a hypocrite on two important points.

    Vigorously pushing anti-birth ideas for years, then crowing about it when he fnally found a woman to make a child with him, almost too late.

    The other, getting a nose-job after confirming that he is not, as he liked to imagine for some time, Jewish.

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  • “The reason we still have ‘wars’ is that we made ‘rules’ for war.”

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  • @Pat Kittle
    Thanks, I'm familiar with Jim Goad from TakiMag (which banned me years ago).

    Recently (as you likely know) all commenters (& all their previous comments) are banned from TakiMag -- allegedly because some criticized Jews:
    -- [ http://takimag.com/article/gag_reflex#axzz5D9nCpS6k ].

    A favorite straw-man refrain from Jewish censors everywhere:

    "Oh, just blame da Joos for everything -- meteors, hurricanes..."

    As we know, few blame Jews for EVERYTHING -- the goal of Jewish censors is to ban criticism of Jews for ANYTHING.

    Anyway, Goad might be a good fit here at Unz, joining other TakiMag columnists already here.

    Unz is my #1 go-to website. Thanks, Ron.

    Taki has recently removed the comments sections from the articles on Taki’s Magazine. Replaced by a ‘Letters to the Editors’ system.

    Considering the idiocy of posters there ‘Hey, first to post. Aren’t I great.’, then a discussion of that at the start of most comment threads on the site, it is seeming logical.

    Don’t get that kind of idiocy here, although numbers of comment posts explode whenever Mr. Unz is to publish or re-publish anything critical of Israel. Certain other subjects.

    Goad is the lynch-pin of Taki’s magazine, McInnes may have contributed a little to The Week that Perished, at times, but since his departure, it is all Jim Goad.

    Doubt the latter would be interested in being re-published here.

    Anyway, Mr. Unz is making a good selection in general.

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  • @Thorfinnsson
    Would you prefer "Animal Assad" (not bad honestly if inaccurate) or "Gas Killing Animal"?

    I'm quite pleased with myself for the Assman coinage.

    What about animal Churchill ?
    He defended the use of gas in by him Damascus in 1918 in the British parliament.

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    Do animals know right from wrong?
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  • How do you bomb a trade agreement?

    They are working on it Fred.

    Count on it.

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  • @Pat Kittle
    Thanks, I'm familiar with Jim Goad from TakiMag (which banned me years ago).

    Recently (as you likely know) all commenters (& all their previous comments) are banned from TakiMag -- allegedly because some criticized Jews:
    -- [ http://takimag.com/article/gag_reflex#axzz5D9nCpS6k ].

    A favorite straw-man refrain from Jewish censors everywhere:

    "Oh, just blame da Joos for everything -- meteors, hurricanes..."

    As we know, few blame Jews for EVERYTHING -- the goal of Jewish censors is to ban criticism of Jews for ANYTHING.

    Anyway, Goad might be a good fit here at Unz, joining other TakiMag columnists already here.

    Unz is my #1 go-to website. Thanks, Ron.

    You have a good point about the criticism of Jews.

    Used to comment some at Taki, and some of the postsdid indeed blame the Jews for everything imaginable and some things that weren’t imaginable.

    However, your other remark is also appropriate.

    A year or so ago I remarked on a website about the odd issue of Jews leading the fight against “white privilege.” I hunted down Jewish/Gentile statistics and compared them to the similar black/white statistics that are commonly used to prove the existence of white privilege. I noted that these statistics showed pretty clearly that Jewish Privilege is much stronger than White Privilege. (Assuming one accepts such statistics as relevant, as the White Privilege denouncers normally do.)

    Oh my word! Hysterics ensued.

    I am not in the least anti-Semitic, but I am also not blind. Clearly many (most?) Jews do not think the rules they impose on others should be applied to them. For instance, if it is unfair for any (prestigious) occupation to be held by whites above their proportion of the population, it is equally unfair for Jews to disproportionately occupy those positions. I was not even objecting to the fact of this disproportion, but rather to the hypocrisy of differential application of what are purportedly universal rules.

    Never did get a rational response to my post, only hysterical denunciation.

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    Never did get a rational response to my post, only hysterical denunciation.
     
    That's all you will ever get from Jews, unless you become sufficiently troublesome that you must be dealt with through control of your employer or local government.
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    Since dissolution of Takitariat, I've been to Taki's perhaps 3-4 times. Didn't even bother to read anything.

    I guess there will be a diminished readership for a time & it will all, eventually, die out. Without comments, this is not too interesting a place...
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  • “Note that Washington has a history of lying the country into wars. The Maine in 1898, the Gulf of Tonkin, the imaginary WMD in Gulf I.”

    Don’t forget Woodrow and FDR, assisted by the Brits, lying to get us into WWs I & II. Why American soldiers had to died by the tens of thousands to help the Europeans destroy their fellow Europeans and most of the churches, bridges, factories and basic infrastructure is not a question that has ever been polite to ask. Not to mention then paying for the clean up and (second time around) paying to keep the Ruskies from doing, after WWII, what we helped them to do while it was going on. None of this makes any sense, but then triumphalist history isn’t really history. It’s chest thumping.

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  • @dearieme
    "Note that Washington has a history of lying the country into wars. The Maine in 1898 ..": add the War of 1812. In fact, presumably add all other American wars until, I suppose, WWII. And even then the US severely provoked Japan, though it seems to me that the blame for the war was Japan's: even the perfidious Yanks couldn't force her to behave with such reckless idiocy in the Pacific.

    What were the lies involved in the War of 1812?

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    The British are coming . . . .
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  • The F-UK-US countries , France , United Kingdom , USA , preach non stop war against mankind

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  • Deep state is filled with well-trained dogs. When a wolf enters the yard, the dogs bark.

    Trump is like a bear messing with bee hive for the honey. Bees sting to protect the queen.

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  • I am going to enjoy reading Unz the day after Trump gets the Nobel Peace Prize for uniting Korea

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    They will find a way to deny it...
    , @anonymous
    That would be further proof of the Evil Empire's imminent demise. So, witnessing satan's pussy slink away with its tail between its legs, should be something to rejoice.

    I am all for Trump getting the Hypocrites, er I mean nobel, Peace Prize.
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  • @Steve Gittelson
    Just a bit more real truth from PCR. Carry on ...

    All of America, indeed of the entire West, lives in The Matrix, a concocted [and false] reality. Western peoples are so propagandized, so brainwashed, that they have no understanding that their disunity was created in order to make them impotent in the face of a rapacious ruling class, a class whose arrogance and hubris has the world on the brink of nuclear Armageddon.

    History as it actually happened is disappearing as those who tell the truth are dismissed as misogynists, racists, homophobes, Putin agents, terrorist sympathizers, anti-Semites, and conspiracy theorists. Liberals who complained mightily of McCarthyism now practice it ten-fold.

    ...

    The United States with its brainwashed and incompetent population—indeed, the entirety of the Western populations are incompetent—and with its absence of intelligent leadership has no chance against Russia and China, two massive countries arising from their overthrow of police states as the West descends into a gestapo state. The West is over and done with. Nothing remains of the West but the lies used to control the people. All hope is elsewhere.
     

    The whole of the comment

    To an order of magnitude: us deplorables are hard-wired for being herded and living by tuning in on our insignificant other. That is why man and wife pairs are so close general IQ wise as a rule, that is why… our politicians, media, scribes, the output of Holywood is close to the street. Cops and thieves, the good guys and the bad guys, bigger is better permeate language, the vocabulary itself points to ignorance.

    The output of our elites, are …what we deserve: more of trash and toxic rediculance.

    No question, if for a second as in history, a few times has happened, the deplorables “escape” the bashing worse chaos results, and in a blimp of time they submit to a next cycle of herding.

    That is the destiny of the species, that is how humanity perishes if nothing more clement appears to get at us obese masses. The comment is destined to our own, so it might be of to a degree or two, sure enough someone might find the bone and run with it.

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  • @dearieme
    "Note that Washington has a history of lying the country into wars. The Maine in 1898 ..": add the War of 1812. In fact, presumably add all other American wars until, I suppose, WWII. And even then the US severely provoked Japan, though it seems to me that the blame for the war was Japan's: even the perfidious Yanks couldn't force her to behave with such reckless idiocy in the Pacific.

    ” even the perfidious Yanks couldn’t force her to behave with such reckless idiocy in the Pacific. ”
    Read
    William L. Neumann, ‘America encounters Japan, From Perry to MacArthur’, 1963, 1965, New York
    Yukichi Fukuzawa, ‘De poorten gaan open’, 1978 Amsterdam (The Autobiography of Fukuzawa Yukichi, Tokyo 1934, 1899)
    Lt.-Comdr. Tóta Ishimaru, I.J.N., ‘Japan must fight Britain’, written in 1935, UK 1937
    Japan, one of the USA’s sorcerer apprentices.
    Some others: Saddam, the present Iranian regime, North Korea, ISIS.

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    JD, you are so smart and well read yet they have accused of being an Indian... there is no justice!
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  • I miss two events:
    - Russia had no interest in the MH17 disaster, the west, including Ukraine had.
    Literally overnight sanctions were possible.
    - MH370, again a western interest, two groups of Chinese technicians in making planes invisible for radar were on board.

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  • @Steve Gittelson
    PCR's latest is really good. I love it when he gets to ripping, and doesn't stop for 2000+ words or so. It reads a lot better than Toynbee, fersher.

    The working class, designated by Hillary Clinton as “the Trump deplorables,” is now the victimizer, not the victim. Marxism has been stood on its head.

    The American ruling class loves Identity Politics, because Identity Politics divides the people into hostile groups and prevents any resistance to the ruling elite. With blacks screaming at whites, women screaming at men, and homosexuals screaming at heterosexuals, there is no one left to scream at the rulers.

    The ruling elite favors a “conversation on race,” because the ruling elite know it can only result in accusations that will further divide society. Consequently, the ruling elite have funded “black history,” “women’s studies,” and “transgender dialogues,” in universities as a way to institutionalize the divisiveness that protects them. These “studies” have replaced real history with fake history.
     

    Excuse me, but Toynbee reads very well, thank you.

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    Excuse me, but Toynbee reads very well, thank you.
     
    So does Heinlein's I Will Fear No Evil.

    See what I did there? ;-)
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  • @James Forrestal
    Good piece.

    "One: The aghastment and horrilation about the terrible, appalling, shocking etc nature of gas warfare is nonsense. There is nothing unusually hideous about the use of toxic chemicals. Hideous, yes, but not unusually hideous."

    Sure, but this is looking at things from a relatively honest moral perspective, based on some kind of universally-applicable rules. If your primary concern is instead the formation and promotion of a simplistic, Manichaean narrative in order to justify attacks on your enemies under cover of pretended "humanitarianism," while disguising your actual motivations, then defining "chemical warfare" as something uniquely horrible and evil has distinct advantages.

    It can be very useful as part of a propaganda narrative when you want to:
    1. Demonstrate how the villain in the narrative is somehow qualitatively different/ much more evil than other leaders engaged in similar activities, whether warfare, oppression, or both. The "gas" meme short-circuits any potentially inconvenient whataboutism that might arise,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
    especially with respect to other countries that are receiving enthusiastic support, rather than condemnation, from "our" government. "Saudi Arabia's not using "chemical weapons" in Yemen, so it doesn't count." "The Israelis sniped those protesters; they didn't gas them, so it's clearly not the same kind of thing." Etc.

    2. Evoke associations with a historical event that is seen as uniquely evil, also involving gas. Associative conditioning is much easier than convincing people through rational argumentation.

    As a minor aside, "barrel bomb" appears to be a more subtle (and more recent) meme/ shortcut to designate the "bad guys" in the narrative. What, a bomb with better aerodynamics would somehow be morally superior?

    “Saudi Arabia’s not using “chemical weapons” in Yemen, so it doesn’t count.”

    Every bomb, bullet, and missle is a chemical weapon(expanding gases).

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  • The obvious and intelligent course regarding immigration from the south is to stop further influx and assimilate those who are not going away and, being citizens, cannot be deported. Mr. Trump’s placing of troops along the border, if carried out, can quickly and practically accomplish the first of these, as his silly wall would not....
  • @Achmed E. Newman
    Thanks for putting up that great map, James. I am a big map guy, and that is a good way to present this data.

    One wonders what is up with Bolivia, though. Not enough air to take a good breath for good shooting accuracy or just too damn poor to even afford guns or knives? Then there's British Guyana next to, but pinker than Surinam - is that just due to Jim Jones' Kool-Aid drinkers distorting the average? It looks like Greenland is pretty safe if you are up on the ice cap but don't wander down to Narsarsuaq at the wrong hour, huh?

    Anyway, all joking aside, thanks for that graphic and great points in your comment #234. VDare collectively knows 3 orders of magnitude more about the immigration issue than Fred Reed.

    You’re welcome. As an aside, note how seldom you see any kind of decent map in mainstream coverage of Syria…

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  • Following Mr. Trump’s kaleidosopically shifting policies isn’t easy. He was going to declare China a currency manipulator on day one, but didn’t, going to impose a forty-five percent tariff on Chinese goods but apparently won’t, was going to shift the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem but isn’t, going to tear up the Iran treaty...
  • What to do with them?

    Send them home.

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  • Disordered thoughts on the National Cockatoo’s latest antics. One: The aghastment and horrilation about the terrible, appalling, shocking etc nature of gas warfare is nonsense. There is nothing unusually hideous about the use of toxic chemicals. Hideous, yes, but not unusually hideous. Boring old workaday artillery, that nobody criticizes, leaves children watching as mommy frantically...
  • Good piece.

    “One: The aghastment and horrilation about the terrible, appalling, shocking etc nature of gas warfare is nonsense. There is nothing unusually hideous about the use of toxic chemicals. Hideous, yes, but not unusually hideous.”

    Sure, but this is looking at things from a relatively honest moral perspective, based on some kind of universally-applicable rules. If your primary concern is instead the formation and promotion of a simplistic, Manichaean narrative in order to justify attacks on your enemies under cover of pretended “humanitarianism,” while disguising your actual motivations, then defining “chemical warfare” as something uniquely horrible and evil has distinct advantages.

    It can be very useful as part of a propaganda narrative when you want to:
    1. Demonstrate how the villain in the narrative is somehow qualitatively different/ much more evil than other leaders engaged in similar activities, whether warfare, oppression, or both. The “gas” meme short-circuits any potentially inconvenient whataboutism that might arise,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

    especially with respect to other countries that are receiving enthusiastic support, rather than condemnation, from “our” government. “Saudi Arabia’s not using “chemical weapons” in Yemen, so it doesn’t count.” “The Israelis sniped those protesters; they didn’t gas them, so it’s clearly not the same kind of thing.” Etc.

    2. Evoke associations with a historical event that is seen as uniquely evil, also involving gas. Associative conditioning is much easier than convincing people through rational argumentation.

    As a minor aside, “barrel bomb” appears to be a more subtle (and more recent) meme/ shortcut to designate the “bad guys” in the narrative. What, a bomb with better aerodynamics would somehow be morally superior?

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    “Saudi Arabia’s not using “chemical weapons” in Yemen, so it doesn’t count.”
     
    Every bomb, bullet, and missle is a chemical weapon(expanding gases).
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  • @Macon Richardson
    The "Assman"? Do we really need such cutsie nicknames in order to discuss matters of merit and importance?

    Would you prefer “Animal Assad” (not bad honestly if inaccurate) or “Gas Killing Animal”?

    I’m quite pleased with myself for the Assman coinage.

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    What about animal Churchill ?
    He defended the use of gas in by him Damascus in 1918 in the British parliament.
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  • The obvious and intelligent course regarding immigration from the south is to stop further influx and assimilate those who are not going away and, being citizens, cannot be deported. Mr. Trump’s placing of troops along the border, if carried out, can quickly and practically accomplish the first of these, as his silly wall would not....
  • Man. Once again, Fred subjects us to his incessant rant about ze poor Mexicans and the Alt right. BUILD THE WALL. KEEP FRED OUT!

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  • Disordered thoughts on the National Cockatoo’s latest antics. One: The aghastment and horrilation about the terrible, appalling, shocking etc nature of gas warfare is nonsense. There is nothing unusually hideous about the use of toxic chemicals. Hideous, yes, but not unusually hideous. Boring old workaday artillery, that nobody criticizes, leaves children watching as mommy frantically...
  • @Steve Gittelson
    Goad is a vassal of TakiMag. Cutting and pasting from one webzine to another is considered gauche, if not outright illegal for various and sundry copyright reasons.

    Unz is an okay guy, and reasonably restrained with regard to the multitude of crazies who use his comment-sections for, sometimes, rather wackadoodley semi-hysterical ranting.

    Busy, busy, busy in the Vonnegutian sense.

    Thanks, I’m familiar with Jim Goad from TakiMag (which banned me years ago).

    Recently (as you likely know) all commenters (& all their previous comments) are banned from TakiMag — allegedly because some criticized Jews:
    — (http://takimag.com/article/gag_reflex#axzz5D9nCpS6k ].

    A favorite straw-man refrain from Jewish censors everywhere:

    “Oh, just blame da Joos for everything — meteors, hurricanes…”

    As we know, few blame Jews for EVERYTHING — the goal of Jewish censors is to ban criticism of Jews for ANYTHING.

    Anyway, Goad might be a good fit here at Unz, joining other TakiMag columnists already here.

    Unz is my #1 go-to website. Thanks, Ron.

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    You have a good point about the criticism of Jews.

    Used to comment some at Taki, and some of the postsdid indeed blame the Jews for everything imaginable and some things that weren't imaginable.

    However, your other remark is also appropriate.

    A year or so ago I remarked on a website about the odd issue of Jews leading the fight against "white privilege." I hunted down Jewish/Gentile statistics and compared them to the similar black/white statistics that are commonly used to prove the existence of white privilege. I noted that these statistics showed pretty clearly that Jewish Privilege is much stronger than White Privilege. (Assuming one accepts such statistics as relevant, as the White Privilege denouncers normally do.)

    Oh my word! Hysterics ensued.

    I am not in the least anti-Semitic, but I am also not blind. Clearly many (most?) Jews do not think the rules they impose on others should be applied to them. For instance, if it is unfair for any (prestigious) occupation to be held by whites above their proportion of the population, it is equally unfair for Jews to disproportionately occupy those positions. I was not even objecting to the fact of this disproportion, but rather to the hypocrisy of differential application of what are purportedly universal rules.

    Never did get a rational response to my post, only hysterical denunciation.
    , @Che Guava
    Taki has recently removed the comments sections from the articles on Taki's Magazine. Replaced by a 'Letters to the Editors' system.

    Considering the idiocy of posters there 'Hey, first to post. Aren't I great.', then a discussion of that at the start of most comment threads on the site, it is seeming logical.

    Don't get that kind of idiocy here, although numbers of comment posts explode whenever Mr. Unz is to publish or re-publish anything critical of Israel. Certain other subjects.

    Goad is the lynch-pin of Taki's magazine, McInnes may have contributed a little to The Week that Perished, at times, but since his departure, it is all Jim Goad.

    Doubt the latter would be interested in being re-published here.

    Anyway, Mr. Unz is making a good selection in general.
    , @Che Guava
    By the way. Pat, I love Goad's writing, a friend introduced me to Answer Me, she had the first three, I have the compendium of those, want to buy the rape issue, too.

    He is also something of a hypocrite on two important points.

    Vigorously pushing anti-birth ideas for years, then crowing about it when he fnally found a woman to make a child with him, almost too late.

    The other, getting a nose-job after confirming that he is not, as he liked to imagine for some time, Jewish.

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  • @Jesse James
    CS gas such as was used at Waco, TX by the FBI and US Army killed 88 Americans on 4-19-93. Trump needs to send 103 cruise missiles against US the bases involved in those murders of unarmed civilians: Ft. Hood, TX; Anniston, AL; Washington., DC and San Antonio, TX.

    JJ, I understand your anger, but I would be happy if just the major perps would be convicted. Sunday the Austin American-Statesman ran a comprehensive story commemorating the entire incident as it unfolded. Basically it was your Federal government at its worst. Yesterday the same paper ran an article concerning the lessons learned from that debacle, many years too late and millions of dollars too short. In the article one of the FBI agents there, now retired indicated he believed Hillary was the one who actually gave the go ahead to set fire to the compound.

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    I would like every one of the the war criminals, from top to bottom, hanged.
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  • @Pat Kittle
    Why do you "suspect Goad is verboten on UR"?

    Goad is a vassal of TakiMag. Cutting and pasting from one webzine to another is considered gauche, if not outright illegal for various and sundry copyright reasons.

    Unz is an okay guy, and reasonably restrained with regard to the multitude of crazies who use his comment-sections for, sometimes, rather wackadoodley semi-hysterical ranting.

    Busy, busy, busy in the Vonnegutian sense.

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    Thanks, I'm familiar with Jim Goad from TakiMag (which banned me years ago).

    Recently (as you likely know) all commenters (& all their previous comments) are banned from TakiMag -- allegedly because some criticized Jews:
    -- [ http://takimag.com/article/gag_reflex#axzz5D9nCpS6k ].

    A favorite straw-man refrain from Jewish censors everywhere:

    "Oh, just blame da Joos for everything -- meteors, hurricanes..."

    As we know, few blame Jews for EVERYTHING -- the goal of Jewish censors is to ban criticism of Jews for ANYTHING.

    Anyway, Goad might be a good fit here at Unz, joining other TakiMag columnists already here.

    Unz is my #1 go-to website. Thanks, Ron.
    , @anonymous

    with regard to the multitude of crazies who use his comment-sections for, sometimes, rather wackadoodley semi-hysterical ranting.

     

    I do it all the time. That is what I love about The UR. :D

    See, it is one thing to be armchair crazies, generally quite harmless, just venting our feelings, than be the crazy racist mofers of your kind, who in stark contrast commit satanic evil, causing untold suffering to real people.

    Can your despicable self understand that basic difference?

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  • The obvious and intelligent course regarding immigration from the south is to stop further influx and assimilate those who are not going away and, being citizens, cannot be deported. Mr. Trump’s placing of troops along the border, if carried out, can quickly and practically accomplish the first of these, as his silly wall would not....
  • @Diversity Heretic
    Fred, when the urge to recycle columns such as this one seizes you, take two aspirin, or drink a Tecate beer (or two) or do whatever, until the urge passes. I read VDare regularly and your characterization of its content is highly inacccurate. You're good on other subjects, so don't embarass yourself by ones like these.

    Yes Fred. I am not aware of anyone who has advocated the removal of Latins who are American citizens. Where do you find this alt right information?

    Discouraging illegal immigration is not racist. It is common sense until such time that nation states go away. We are losing 50,000 per year to drug overdoses and most of the drugs come through the Mexican border. Maybe the Mexican state will eventually suppress the cartels and we could have a more pleasant relationship with our neighbor. Don’t hold your breath.

    A wall is a practical means for defining a border. By itself it will not stop every border jumper. Personnel are also necessary. The wall can reduce the numbers of personnel needed and save money over time.

    US security is the only reason we need a federal government. Most of us like Mexicans and other Latins. The illegal migrants we get are not lifting our nation. Apparently Mexican brain surgeons and engineers prefer to stay put. It costs our bankrupt nation a fortune to cover hospitals, schools and other costs of cheap labor.

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  • Disordered thoughts on the National Cockatoo’s latest antics. One: The aghastment and horrilation about the terrible, appalling, shocking etc nature of gas warfare is nonsense. There is nothing unusually hideous about the use of toxic chemicals. Hideous, yes, but not unusually hideous. Boring old workaday artillery, that nobody criticizes, leaves children watching as mommy frantically...
  • @Steve Gittelson
    I suspect Goad is verboten on UR, but allow me to excerpt from "I Didn't Vote for This" of recent Goad production.

    I voted for Trump because he promised to build a wall. Fifteen months into his presidency, the wall has not been built.

    He promised to repeal Obamacare. It has not been repealed.

    He promised to focus on domestic rather than foreign issues and pledged a huge program to rebuild the nation’s crumbling infrastructure. No such program has materialized.

    He promised to remove the nation’s millions of illegal aliens. They are still here.

    He promised to defund sanctuary cities. They have not been defunded.

    He promised a complete ban on new Muslim immigration.

    He promised to eliminate the massive federal debt in eight years. Rather than even beginning to leave a dent in the debt, it is now over $1.1 trillion higher than it was the day he took office.

    One of the keystones of his campaign was that China was a currency manipulator and therefore needed to be dealt with harshly. Only three months into his presidency, he reneged and declared that China was not a currency manipulator.

    On the campaign trail, he relentlessly hammered the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Only three days into his presidency, he withdrew the US from the TPP. And now he’s openly considering rejoining it.
     
    Cogent points, in Reed's context. The only consolation is recognition that a Clinton presidency would have been much worse. Maybe so, huh?

    Why do you “suspect Goad is verboten on UR”?

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    Goad is a vassal of TakiMag. Cutting and pasting from one webzine to another is considered gauche, if not outright illegal for various and sundry copyright reasons.

    Unz is an okay guy, and reasonably restrained with regard to the multitude of crazies who use his comment-sections for, sometimes, rather wackadoodley semi-hysterical ranting.

    Busy, busy, busy in the Vonnegutian sense.
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  • Just a bit more real truth from PCR. Carry on …

    All of America, indeed of the entire West, lives in The Matrix, a concocted [and false] reality. Western peoples are so propagandized, so brainwashed, that they have no understanding that their disunity was created in order to make them impotent in the face of a rapacious ruling class, a class whose arrogance and hubris has the world on the brink of nuclear Armageddon.

    History as it actually happened is disappearing as those who tell the truth are dismissed as misogynists, racists, homophobes, Putin agents, terrorist sympathizers, anti-Semites, and conspiracy theorists. Liberals who complained mightily of McCarthyism now practice it ten-fold.

    The United States with its brainwashed and incompetent population—indeed, the entirety of the Western populations are incompetent—and with its absence of intelligent leadership has no chance against Russia and China, two massive countries arising from their overthrow of police states as the West descends into a gestapo state. The West is over and done with. Nothing remains of the West but the lies used to control the people. All hope is elsewhere.

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    • Replies: @m___

    The whole of the comment
     
    To an order of magnitude: us deplorables are hard-wired for being herded and living by tuning in on our insignificant other. That is why man and wife pairs are so close general IQ wise as a rule, that is why... our politicians, media, scribes, the output of Holywood is close to the street. Cops and thieves, the good guys and the bad guys, bigger is better permeate language, the vocabulary itself points to ignorance.

    The output of our elites, are ...what we deserve: more of trash and toxic rediculance.

    No question, if for a second as in history, a few times has happened, the deplorables "escape" the bashing worse chaos results, and in a blimp of time they submit to a next cycle of herding.

    That is the destiny of the species, that is how humanity perishes if nothing more clement appears to get at us obese masses. The comment is destined to our own, so it might be of to a degree or two, sure enough someone might find the bone and run with it.
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  • @Anon
    (different anon)

    not because a megalomaniac like Hitler thought my gracious, chemical warfare is just too cruel to inflict on my enemies
     
    It was and is widely thought to be unethical, probably because it is like a poison. It was quite effective in limited scenarios, which is why it was used in WWI and why the British seem to have used it in Iraq. Hitler actually did make some attempt to follow international rules of war, which is why the Blitz was not until after the British had bombed Berlin.

    “the British seem to have used it in Iraq”: they didn’t apparently. After WWI Churchill wanted Iraqi villages bombed with tear gas but it wasn’t actually done. (This knowledge came from the internet and therefore is even more open to correction than usual.)

    In its way it would have been quite humane: drive the villagers out with tear gas then bomb the village with explosives. That way you mete out punishment without killing lots of people. It’s not a combination that has been used elsewhere, as far as I know.

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  • @Anon
    Poison gas can do no better.

    No, poison gas is worse. Would you rather be shot or blown up OR have your eyes, throat, and lungs sizzle to toxic gas?

    Even Hitler understood. He experienced the effect of gas in WWI and even when Germany was losing in WWII, he never used chemical weapons.

    All weapons are horrible. But the problem with gas is it offers no escape.

    You may dodge bullets. You may hunker down to avoid artillery. But once gas spreads, there is nowhere to run.

    Gas Masks, standard issue in many wars. We used to buy them at “war surplus” stores when I was akid.

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  • @Thorfinnsson
    At this stage in the game I'm not one to ramble about "3D Chess", but I get the sense that Trump's tweeting was intended to warn Putin and thus deescalate. Of course on the flip side we have (uncomfirmed) reports that Trump and his bloodthirsty NSC chair Fox Bolton were arguing for a bigger attack than the generals would agree to.

    If nothing else it's quite clear that any effort to withdraw from Syria simply immediately results in a false flag attack. Even if chemical weapons were as awful as is supposed (I agree with Mr. Reed), that doesn't make it relevant to American interests.

    The strangest thing with Syria is how obsessed the Empire is with destroying it. Various reasons are given such as Israel, gas pipelines, and containing Iran. At the end of the day I think it's primarily psychological. The Empire is outraged that the Assman dares to resist.`

    The “Assman”? Do we really need such cutsie nicknames in order to discuss matters of merit and importance?

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    Would you prefer "Animal Assad" (not bad honestly if inaccurate) or "Gas Killing Animal"?

    I'm quite pleased with myself for the Assman coinage.
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  • PCR’s latest is really good. I love it when he gets to ripping, and doesn’t stop for 2000+ words or so. It reads a lot better than Toynbee, fersher.

    The working class, designated by Hillary Clinton as “the Trump deplorables,” is now the victimizer, not the victim. Marxism has been stood on its head.

    The American ruling class loves Identity Politics, because Identity Politics divides the people into hostile groups and prevents any resistance to the ruling elite. With blacks screaming at whites, women screaming at men, and homosexuals screaming at heterosexuals, there is no one left to scream at the rulers.

    The ruling elite favors a “conversation on race,” because the ruling elite know it can only result in accusations that will further divide society. Consequently, the ruling elite have funded “black history,” “women’s studies,” and “transgender dialogues,” in universities as a way to institutionalize the divisiveness that protects them. These “studies” have replaced real history with fake history.

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    Excuse me, but Toynbee reads very well, thank you.
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  • @Rurik

    it’s a wonder there’s anything left of this country at all.
     
    spiritually, there isn't

    just as morally, the ZUSA is a dead husk. This country has absolutely zero credibility or standing in the world anymore. All they've got is a military they can use to menace and bully the rest of the planet into submission. Which is a specialty of the Clintons.

    It's wasn't just the Branch Dravidians who were burned alive (no doubt to the cackling of the war hag), or just Gadhafi who was murdered by her sub-human orcs, but this man also had his country illegally bombed and was dragged off to a mock kangaroo court until he was given a chance to speak, whereupon he humiliated his tormentors

    http://www.foxnews.com/images/131842/0_21_milosevic_slobodan.jpg

    so they poisoned him in his cell.

    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2016/august/03/milosevic-exonerated-as-the-nato-war-machine-moves-on/

    http://i.makeagif.com/media/9-29-2015/H3B32s.gif

    the reason I post this image of the hag is to remind readers of what the alternative to Trump actually was.

    Fred likes to fulminate over all things Trump (and us Deplorables - calling us 'gas station louts, and much worse ; ), for his own dubious agenda (biological warfare ; ), but the fact remains that even as Trump adopts all the traits of a neocon war pig, and always has been an egotistical and superficial man, he's still a gazillion times to the n'th power preferable to the gorgon war hag.

    For all of Trump's many foibles and failings, he isn't the root cause of all the things Fred is lambasting in this article. Rather it's the ((deepstate)) that Trump has made a devil's bargain with, which does not change with presidents. If we're ever to prevent the looming war with Russia, then it would behoove us to look behind the curtain at the fiend pulling the levers. Talking about Trump, as if he's the cause of it all, is like being enthralled over the theatrics of the wizard of Oz.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Qt4NtJWEy3Q/T7Fo6M31IGI/AAAAAAAAAJc/P3xH9DHTmCI/s1600/great-powerful-oz.jpg

    AGREED

    (nothing more to say)

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  • @Steve Gittelson

    Fred likes to fulminate over all things Trump (and us Deplorables – calling us ‘gas station louts
     
    Who among us does not secretly wish to be a Mayberry Goober? Pumping gas, tuning carbs, changing tires, washing windshields? Drinking beer and playing poker after 5PM, and looking down the blouse of a hot chick in the driver's seat?

    Yea, gotta give Goober his due, sometimes rural folk are resourceful

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  • @Jesse James
    CS gas such as was used at Waco, TX by the FBI and US Army killed 88 Americans on 4-19-93. Trump needs to send 103 cruise missiles against US the bases involved in those murders of unarmed civilians: Ft. Hood, TX; Anniston, AL; Washington., DC and San Antonio, TX.

    (different anon)
    Seems pretty reasonable.

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  • Fred likes to fulminate over all things Trump (and us Deplorables – calling us ‘gas station louts

    Who among us does not secretly wish to be a Mayberry Goober? Pumping gas, tuning carbs, changing tires, washing windshields? Drinking beer and playing poker after 5PM, and looking down the blouse of a hot chick in the driver’s seat?

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    Yea, gotta give Goober his due, sometimes rural folk are resourceful

    http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/funny-redneck-doorbell.jpg
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  • @Steve Gittelson
    Yeah. Sociopath. Gives me the shivers. Bill is the same, but conceals it better. I mean, WTF, the guy had state troopers bringing him any pussy he spotted on his lunch break. Jesus, the rejects this country brings to the White House ... it's a wonder there's anything left of this country at all.

    it’s a wonder there’s anything left of this country at all.

    spiritually, there isn’t

    just as morally, the ZUSA is a dead husk. This country has absolutely zero credibility or standing in the world anymore. All they’ve got is a military they can use to menace and bully the rest of the planet into submission. Which is a specialty of the Clintons.

    It’s wasn’t just the Branch Dravidians who were burned alive (no doubt to the cackling of the war hag), or just Gadhafi who was murdered by her sub-human orcs, but this man also had his country illegally bombed and was dragged off to a mock kangaroo court until he was given a chance to speak, whereupon he humiliated his tormentors

    so they poisoned him in his cell.

    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2016/august/03/milosevic-exonerated-as-the-nato-war-machine-moves-on/


    the reason I post this image of the hag is to remind readers of what the alternative to Trump actually was.

    Fred likes to fulminate over all things Trump (and us Deplorables – calling us ‘gas station louts, and much worse ; ), for his own dubious agenda (biological warfare ; ), but the fact remains that even as Trump adopts all the traits of a neocon war pig, and always has been an egotistical and superficial man, he’s still a gazillion times to the n’th power preferable to the gorgon war hag.

    For all of Trump’s many foibles and failings, he isn’t the root cause of all the things Fred is lambasting in this article. Rather it’s the ((deepstate)) that Trump has made a devil’s bargain with, which does not change with presidents. If we’re ever to prevent the looming war with Russia, then it would behoove us to look behind the curtain at the fiend pulling the levers. Talking about Trump, as if he’s the cause of it all, is like being enthralled over the theatrics of the wizard of Oz.

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    AGREED

    (nothing more to say)
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  • Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    You can move uphill or upwind or outflank gas in a lot of situations. As Fred notes, it's not too effective which is why Hitler didn't use it, not because a megalomaniac like Hitler thought my gracious, chemical warfare is just too cruel to inflict on my enemies. Napalm and flamethrowers are way more effective and terrifying, and neither side had any hesitation about using them.

    Bullets can't be "dodged." A fire team volley is an invisible hail storm moving faster than sound--you can't move faster than sound, or even close to it. You are either behind a bullet-proof barrier, or the bullets miss you. Otherwise you are an intact human being one instant and the next you're an astonished, frightened animal who just experienced a sense-killing shock like grabbing a live wire.

    Artillery is terrifying too. You can hunker down all you like, but it just depends on where the shells hit. And again, the shockwave and shrapnel from solid turning to gas at ultra-hypersonic speed are invisible. The explosions are completely disorienting.

    "Gas" is not unique in offering "no escape," nor in the infliction of horrible, life-altering injuries. And depending on the situation, it can be the other way around.

    (different anon)

    not because a megalomaniac like Hitler thought my gracious, chemical warfare is just too cruel to inflict on my enemies

    It was and is widely thought to be unethical, probably because it is like a poison. It was quite effective in limited scenarios, which is why it was used in WWI and why the British seem to have used it in Iraq. Hitler actually did make some attempt to follow international rules of war, which is why the Blitz was not until after the British had bombed Berlin.

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    "the British seem to have used it in Iraq": they didn't apparently. After WWI Churchill wanted Iraqi villages bombed with tear gas but it wasn't actually done. (This knowledge came from the internet and therefore is even more open to correction than usual.)

    In its way it would have been quite humane: drive the villagers out with tear gas then bomb the village with explosives. That way you mete out punishment without killing lots of people. It's not a combination that has been used elsewhere, as far as I know.

    , @Wally
    The British bombed many German civilian cities/towns before they bombed Berlin ... long before Germany was forced to retaliate.
    see:

    Who started bombing civilians first:Germany or Great Britain
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8172

    www.codoh.com
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  • @Anon
    Poison gas can do no better.

    No, poison gas is worse. Would you rather be shot or blown up OR have your eyes, throat, and lungs sizzle to toxic gas?

    Even Hitler understood. He experienced the effect of gas in WWI and even when Germany was losing in WWII, he never used chemical weapons.

    All weapons are horrible. But the problem with gas is it offers no escape.

    You may dodge bullets. You may hunker down to avoid artillery. But once gas spreads, there is nowhere to run.

    You can move uphill or upwind or outflank gas in a lot of situations. As Fred notes, it’s not too effective which is why Hitler didn’t use it, not because a megalomaniac like Hitler thought my gracious, chemical warfare is just too cruel to inflict on my enemies. Napalm and flamethrowers are way more effective and terrifying, and neither side had any hesitation about using them.

    Bullets can’t be “dodged.” A fire team volley is an invisible hail storm moving faster than sound–you can’t move faster than sound, or even close to it. You are either behind a bullet-proof barrier, or the bullets miss you. Otherwise you are an intact human being one instant and the next you’re an astonished, frightened animal who just experienced a sense-killing shock like grabbing a live wire.

    Artillery is terrifying too. You can hunker down all you like, but it just depends on where the shells hit. And again, the shockwave and shrapnel from solid turning to gas at ultra-hypersonic speed are invisible. The explosions are completely disorienting.

    “Gas” is not unique in offering “no escape,” nor in the infliction of horrible, life-altering injuries. And depending on the situation, it can be the other way around.

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    (different anon)

    not because a megalomaniac like Hitler thought my gracious, chemical warfare is just too cruel to inflict on my enemies
     
    It was and is widely thought to be unethical, probably because it is like a poison. It was quite effective in limited scenarios, which is why it was used in WWI and why the British seem to have used it in Iraq. Hitler actually did make some attempt to follow international rules of war, which is why the Blitz was not until after the British had bombed Berlin.
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  • @Anon
    Poison gas can do no better.

    No, poison gas is worse. Would you rather be shot or blown up OR have your eyes, throat, and lungs sizzle to toxic gas?

    Even Hitler understood. He experienced the effect of gas in WWI and even when Germany was losing in WWII, he never used chemical weapons.

    All weapons are horrible. But the problem with gas is it offers no escape.

    You may dodge bullets. You may hunker down to avoid artillery. But once gas spreads, there is nowhere to run.

    CS gas such as was used at Waco, TX by the FBI and US Army killed 88 Americans on 4-19-93. Trump needs to send 103 cruise missiles against US the bases involved in those murders of unarmed civilians: Ft. Hood, TX; Anniston, AL; Washington., DC and San Antonio, TX.

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    (different anon)
    Seems pretty reasonable.
    , @Simply Simon
    JJ, I understand your anger, but I would be happy if just the major perps would be convicted. Sunday the Austin American-Statesman ran a comprehensive story commemorating the entire incident as it unfolded. Basically it was your Federal government at its worst. Yesterday the same paper ran an article concerning the lessons learned from that debacle, many years too late and millions of dollars too short. In the article one of the FBI agents there, now retired indicated he believed Hillary was the one who actually gave the go ahead to set fire to the compound.
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  • Fred is right. If you doubt him then Read the “Personal Memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant.”

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  • @Rurik

    a Clinton presidency would have been much worse.
     
    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/24/article-0-1C8880B200000578-682_634x468.jpg

    https://uncucked.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/tumblr_inline_obox7uztdo1tvnxwa_500.gif?w=739

    Yeah. Sociopath. Gives me the shivers. Bill is the same, but conceals it better. I mean, WTF, the guy had state troopers bringing him any pussy he spotted on his lunch break. Jesus, the rejects this country brings to the White House … it’s a wonder there’s anything left of this country at all.

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    it’s a wonder there’s anything left of this country at all.
     
    spiritually, there isn't

    just as morally, the ZUSA is a dead husk. This country has absolutely zero credibility or standing in the world anymore. All they've got is a military they can use to menace and bully the rest of the planet into submission. Which is a specialty of the Clintons.

    It's wasn't just the Branch Dravidians who were burned alive (no doubt to the cackling of the war hag), or just Gadhafi who was murdered by her sub-human orcs, but this man also had his country illegally bombed and was dragged off to a mock kangaroo court until he was given a chance to speak, whereupon he humiliated his tormentors

    http://www.foxnews.com/images/131842/0_21_milosevic_slobodan.jpg

    so they poisoned him in his cell.

    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2016/august/03/milosevic-exonerated-as-the-nato-war-machine-moves-on/

    http://i.makeagif.com/media/9-29-2015/H3B32s.gif

    the reason I post this image of the hag is to remind readers of what the alternative to Trump actually was.

    Fred likes to fulminate over all things Trump (and us Deplorables - calling us 'gas station louts, and much worse ; ), for his own dubious agenda (biological warfare ; ), but the fact remains that even as Trump adopts all the traits of a neocon war pig, and always has been an egotistical and superficial man, he's still a gazillion times to the n'th power preferable to the gorgon war hag.

    For all of Trump's many foibles and failings, he isn't the root cause of all the things Fred is lambasting in this article. Rather it's the ((deepstate)) that Trump has made a devil's bargain with, which does not change with presidents. If we're ever to prevent the looming war with Russia, then it would behoove us to look behind the curtain at the fiend pulling the levers. Talking about Trump, as if he's the cause of it all, is like being enthralled over the theatrics of the wizard of Oz.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Qt4NtJWEy3Q/T7Fo6M31IGI/AAAAAAAAAJc/P3xH9DHTmCI/s1600/great-powerful-oz.jpg

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  • @Gregorio
    Were J.D. Salinger and Kurt Vonnegut just "amoral" or "actually sadistic" ?

    Vonnegut was an honorable man, and good writer. Salinger was a hack.

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    I bin einverstanden .... “the catcher on the rye” has got to be the biggest fraud ever pulled on the so called literate America A story about a smarmy rich preppie and his angst was just so much dribble on the reading public. Then the/morons who teach in our public schools foisted this crap on the youth of America . Kein wunder that Salinger spent the rest of his life in seclusion ; he must have been ashamed .
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  • @another fred

    The Empire totters.
     
    America's best course is disentanglement and isolation, which many, perhaps most of the people want.

    It's said that people in Hell want ice water.

    Indeed, the people want it very much…But the elites depend on the loot provided by enormous military budgets, and sanctions they can work around….Historically, empires are rarely allowed to shrink until the home country is completely bankrupt.

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  • @seeing-thru
    Copying-in Achmed Newman as well...

    Aye, clobbering time it may well come to. But pray do not leave out the media whores when loving ministrations are being meted out. The whole bunch of these lying, whoring, war drumbeating progeny of Satan need special ministrations, perhaps even more care than the flying monkeys. Stringing these bastards upside down from meat hooks in public squares may be too ordinary a ministration, so better and brighter ideas need to be supplied by minds keener than mine.

    Stringing these bastards upside down from meat hooks in public squares may be too ordinary a ministration, so better and brighter ideas need to be supplied by minds keener than mine.

    Oh, I don’t have any, er, revolutionary ideas as to what to do with those who are pleasured to call themselves “journalists”, “reporters”, “media”. I am constantly reminded of Marsha Hancock of McCalla Elementary fame. …. (hand raised, simpering moue evinced)… “Mrs. Arbuckle, after lunch, three boys were looking through your desk drawers … it was Steve Gilson’s idea…”

    How to address it? Perhaps a variation on the scene from Marathon Man …. “Is it safe?”

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  • Were J.D. Salinger and Kurt Vonnegut just “amoral” or “actually sadistic” ?

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  • @Tiny Duck
    You guys need to get outside fo your echo cahmber

    This is how you people effect People of Colour

    http://88cupsoftea.com/podcast/kelly-loy-gilbert/

    She’s too attractive to be a victim. She preys on Eloi.

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  • @Steve Gittelson
    I suspect Goad is verboten on UR, but allow me to excerpt from "I Didn't Vote for This" of recent Goad production.

    I voted for Trump because he promised to build a wall. Fifteen months into his presidency, the wall has not been built.

    He promised to repeal Obamacare. It has not been repealed.

    He promised to focus on domestic rather than foreign issues and pledged a huge program to rebuild the nation’s crumbling infrastructure. No such program has materialized.

    He promised to remove the nation’s millions of illegal aliens. They are still here.

    He promised to defund sanctuary cities. They have not been defunded.

    He promised a complete ban on new Muslim immigration.

    He promised to eliminate the massive federal debt in eight years. Rather than even beginning to leave a dent in the debt, it is now over $1.1 trillion higher than it was the day he took office.

    One of the keystones of his campaign was that China was a currency manipulator and therefore needed to be dealt with harshly. Only three months into his presidency, he reneged and declared that China was not a currency manipulator.

    On the campaign trail, he relentlessly hammered the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Only three days into his presidency, he withdrew the US from the TPP. And now he’s openly considering rejoining it.
     
    Cogent points, in Reed's context. The only consolation is recognition that a Clinton presidency would have been much worse. Maybe so, huh?

    a Clinton presidency would have been much worse.

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    Yeah. Sociopath. Gives me the shivers. Bill is the same, but conceals it better. I mean, WTF, the guy had state troopers bringing him any pussy he spotted on his lunch break. Jesus, the rejects this country brings to the White House ... it's a wonder there's anything left of this country at all.
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  • @Steve Gittelson

    No doubt in the world.
     
    Yes, but the order of magnitude ebbs. Not that I would make the trade, but dammit, what happened to America? We've been fucked, and fucked ROYAL, yet all that climbs out of the political woodwork is flying monkeys.

    It's clobbering time.

    Copying-in Achmed Newman as well…

    Aye, clobbering time it may well come to. But pray do not leave out the media whores when loving ministrations are being meted out. The whole bunch of these lying, whoring, war drumbeating progeny of Satan need special ministrations, perhaps even more care than the flying monkeys. Stringing these bastards upside down from meat hooks in public squares may be too ordinary a ministration, so better and brighter ideas need to be supplied by minds keener than mine.

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    Stringing these bastards upside down from meat hooks in public squares may be too ordinary a ministration, so better and brighter ideas need to be supplied by minds keener than mine.
     
    Oh, I don't have any, er, revolutionary ideas as to what to do with those who are pleasured to call themselves "journalists", "reporters", "media". I am constantly reminded of Marsha Hancock of McCalla Elementary fame. .... (hand raised, simpering moue evinced)... "Mrs. Arbuckle, after lunch, three boys were looking through your desk drawers ... it was Steve Gilson's idea..."

    How to address it? Perhaps a variation on the scene from Marathon Man .... "Is it safe?"
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  • You guys need to get outside fo your echo cahmber

    This is how you people effect People of Colour

    http://88cupsoftea.com/podcast/kelly-loy-gilbert/

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    She's too attractive to be a victim. She preys on Eloi.
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  • Fred, of no particular relevance. Just thought you might enjoy:

    Methinks a monk in his cloister is worth narily an oyster. – Medieval poet somewhere

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  • @Achmed E. Newman
    I just read that column yesterday, Steve. He lays it out pretty good.

    Maybe so, huh?
     
    No doubt in the world.

    No doubt in the world.

    Yes, but the order of magnitude ebbs. Not that I would make the trade, but dammit, what happened to America? We’ve been fucked, and fucked ROYAL, yet all that climbs out of the political woodwork is flying monkeys.

    It’s clobbering time.

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    • Replies: @seeing-thru
    Copying-in Achmed Newman as well...

    Aye, clobbering time it may well come to. But pray do not leave out the media whores when loving ministrations are being meted out. The whole bunch of these lying, whoring, war drumbeating progeny of Satan need special ministrations, perhaps even more care than the flying monkeys. Stringing these bastards upside down from meat hooks in public squares may be too ordinary a ministration, so better and brighter ideas need to be supplied by minds keener than mine.
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  • @Steve Gittelson
    I suspect Goad is verboten on UR, but allow me to excerpt from "I Didn't Vote for This" of recent Goad production.

    I voted for Trump because he promised to build a wall. Fifteen months into his presidency, the wall has not been built.

    He promised to repeal Obamacare. It has not been repealed.

    He promised to focus on domestic rather than foreign issues and pledged a huge program to rebuild the nation’s crumbling infrastructure. No such program has materialized.

    He promised to remove the nation’s millions of illegal aliens. They are still here.

    He promised to defund sanctuary cities. They have not been defunded.

    He promised a complete ban on new Muslim immigration.

    He promised to eliminate the massive federal debt in eight years. Rather than even beginning to leave a dent in the debt, it is now over $1.1 trillion higher than it was the day he took office.

    One of the keystones of his campaign was that China was a currency manipulator and therefore needed to be dealt with harshly. Only three months into his presidency, he reneged and declared that China was not a currency manipulator.

    On the campaign trail, he relentlessly hammered the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Only three days into his presidency, he withdrew the US from the TPP. And now he’s openly considering rejoining it.
     
    Cogent points, in Reed's context. The only consolation is recognition that a Clinton presidency would have been much worse. Maybe so, huh?

    I just read that column yesterday, Steve. He lays it out pretty good.

    Maybe so, huh?

    No doubt in the world.

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    No doubt in the world.
     
    Yes, but the order of magnitude ebbs. Not that I would make the trade, but dammit, what happened to America? We've been fucked, and fucked ROYAL, yet all that climbs out of the political woodwork is flying monkeys.

    It's clobbering time.
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  • I suspect Goad is verboten on UR, but allow me to excerpt from “I Didn’t Vote for This” of recent Goad production.

    I voted for Trump because he promised to build a wall. Fifteen months into his presidency, the wall has not been built.

    He promised to repeal Obamacare. It has not been repealed.

    He promised to focus on domestic rather than foreign issues and pledged a huge program to rebuild the nation’s crumbling infrastructure. No such program has materialized.

    He promised to remove the nation’s millions of illegal aliens. They are still here.

    He promised to defund sanctuary cities. They have not been defunded.

    He promised a complete ban on new Muslim immigration.

    He promised to eliminate the massive federal debt in eight years. Rather than even beginning to leave a dent in the debt, it is now over $1.1 trillion higher than it was the day he took office.

    One of the keystones of his campaign was that China was a currency manipulator and therefore needed to be dealt with harshly. Only three months into his presidency, he reneged and declared that China was not a currency manipulator.

    On the campaign trail, he relentlessly hammered the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Only three days into his presidency, he withdrew the US from the TPP. And now he’s openly considering rejoining it.

    Cogent points, in Reed’s context. The only consolation is recognition that a Clinton presidency would have been much worse. Maybe so, huh?

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    I just read that column yesterday, Steve. He lays it out pretty good.

    Maybe so, huh?
     
    No doubt in the world.
    , @Rurik

    a Clinton presidency would have been much worse.
     
    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/24/article-0-1C8880B200000578-682_634x468.jpg

    https://uncucked.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/tumblr_inline_obox7uztdo1tvnxwa_500.gif?w=739
    , @Pat Kittle
    Why do you "suspect Goad is verboten on UR"?
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  • Excellent column.

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  • In the whole of the Unz sphere, the only article that makes sense of Syria pot-shots, by adhering to a necessary global scope.

    Irrelevant. Trump is a punching bag, that is as much as Obama was a surfboard, these figureheads are actors, better or worse. Putin, Xi, do matter, Putin harnessed a streamlined decision making nucleus out of chaos internally, it again gave meaning to the mention of “Russia”. Xi probably does matter, we do not know, neither of us were able to observe one or the other. What matters is that there is rational coherence in both systems, China and Russia. Because of infighting, the West looks ridiculously bloated, and stumbling.

    As to “hamster herding”, include “media herding”, consenting and dissenting alike. The main reasons for the latter are “bread” writing, and real “believes” of ignorance. Seems the layer, includes second tier politicians, “public intellectuals” alike. A case of “garbage in, garbage out” and a secondary condition of individual middle class jockeying.

    As to the choice of what can be called “military capitalism” of the US, it has no longer any other options, contrary to Russia and China. Give or take a single percentage point or two, there must be some insiders that fully understand that the global system of economics is now running into the wall, there is no solution to that. Neither is there a venue-way for China, or Russia, economically, outside of global consent. They might have a few cycles more of trade, cleaning the plate, which they choose to do, what looks admirable in the short term to many, but ultimately will equally grind to a standstill.

    Our take,
    … globally, there is some consensus about above, in minimal, stealthy cycles, and the situation in Syria today is to be seen as a proverbial napkin sketch of the architect of project global government. Putin was degraded in his status, his error, to propagate nationalistic posing on the world scene, was offensive to the project of world rule. He got away with a warning and loss of face.

    There was, and is, to be seen some experimenting with method(stealth outside the public view), timeliness and international consent. That is hopeful, if one can get from a pot-shot, and not firing back, to addressing the real problems of the world, all and every, only solvable by global consent, and in a timely manner, Syria must be seen as a hopeful experiment of “global collegiate” ruling.

    If “real” war, not policing, “real” major shifts of riches, from finite, generational elites to abhorrent masses of commoners and ridiculous attitudes middle classes, results, we humbly retract. The crest of the wave will have an undercurrent: even worse conditions applied to the number of human under-classes, even temporarily more wastelands created, …but adhering to collegiate global consent, and sold to the masses as a prime Hollywood style production. That is what the elites seem to strive for.

    The important element is they seem to grasp, as only sub-group of humanity, that they are condemned to one another, the “chevalier seul” attitudes are projections to the public.

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  • @Anon
    Poison gas can do no better.

    No, poison gas is worse. Would you rather be shot or blown up OR have your eyes, throat, and lungs sizzle to toxic gas?

    Even Hitler understood. He experienced the effect of gas in WWI and even when Germany was losing in WWII, he never used chemical weapons.

    All weapons are horrible. But the problem with gas is it offers no escape.

    You may dodge bullets. You may hunker down to avoid artillery. But once gas spreads, there is nowhere to run.

    The percentage of gas casualties who died as a result of their wound was much lower than for injuries inflected by other means (shell splinters, explosives, bullets). Taking countermeasures against chemical attacks is possible. To be effective, gas usually has to be delivered by the ton, usually by artillery. Nerve gas is much deadlier, but also very tricky to use.

    Not advocating gas warfare, but it’s not a death ray.

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  • Now you’re hitting your stride, Fred! Well done!

    Are you sure, however, that you’re not being unfair to hamsters? Maybe lemmings rushing into the sea would be a better metaphor.

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  • @Si1ver1ock
    People used to be proud to be Americans. Now many feel ashamed, not only of their leaders, but also their country.

    The shame will only grow as more of the Empire's evil acts are committed and revealed.

    People used to be proud to be Americans.

    That was owing to the public’s colossal ignorance of its history, its predatory character, and its total faith in the national myths of manifest destiny, etc.

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  • Excellent article, Mr. Reed. I think point (5) alone is enough. The 1st paragraph of that point says it all. This stuff is none of America’s business. We need to GTFO. This, along with something you hinted at but did not clearly state, that America is WAY BEYOND FLAT BROKE*, are more than enough. All the rest of the strategy, alliances, and entanglements talk is thereby made entirely unnecessary.

    Again, great column, Fred!

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    * Con’d here and here.

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  • Re: “It serves nicely, however, to alarm publics with minds of low voltage.”

    In 1958, I still believed that there was a significant intellectual difference between the American bourgeosie and the cattle one sees peering between the slats of large trucks as they contentedly munch hay on their way to the abattoir.

    –Revilo Oliver

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  • People used to be proud to be Americans. Now many feel ashamed, not only of their leaders, but also their country.

    The shame will only grow as more of the Empire’s evil acts are committed and revealed.

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    People used to be proud to be Americans.

    That was owing to the public's colossal ignorance of its history, its predatory character, and its total faith in the national myths of manifest destiny, etc.
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  • Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Poison gas can do no better.

    No, poison gas is worse. Would you rather be shot or blown up OR have your eyes, throat, and lungs sizzle to toxic gas?

    Even Hitler understood. He experienced the effect of gas in WWI and even when Germany was losing in WWII, he never used chemical weapons.

    All weapons are horrible. But the problem with gas is it offers no escape.

    You may dodge bullets. You may hunker down to avoid artillery. But once gas spreads, there is nowhere to run.

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    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    The percentage of gas casualties who died as a result of their wound was much lower than for injuries inflected by other means (shell splinters, explosives, bullets). Taking countermeasures against chemical attacks is possible. To be effective, gas usually has to be delivered by the ton, usually by artillery. Nerve gas is much deadlier, but also very tricky to use.

    Not advocating gas warfare, but it's not a death ray.
    , @Jesse James
    CS gas such as was used at Waco, TX by the FBI and US Army killed 88 Americans on 4-19-93. Trump needs to send 103 cruise missiles against US the bases involved in those murders of unarmed civilians: Ft. Hood, TX; Anniston, AL; Washington., DC and San Antonio, TX.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    You can move uphill or upwind or outflank gas in a lot of situations. As Fred notes, it's not too effective which is why Hitler didn't use it, not because a megalomaniac like Hitler thought my gracious, chemical warfare is just too cruel to inflict on my enemies. Napalm and flamethrowers are way more effective and terrifying, and neither side had any hesitation about using them.

    Bullets can't be "dodged." A fire team volley is an invisible hail storm moving faster than sound--you can't move faster than sound, or even close to it. You are either behind a bullet-proof barrier, or the bullets miss you. Otherwise you are an intact human being one instant and the next you're an astonished, frightened animal who just experienced a sense-killing shock like grabbing a live wire.

    Artillery is terrifying too. You can hunker down all you like, but it just depends on where the shells hit. And again, the shockwave and shrapnel from solid turning to gas at ultra-hypersonic speed are invisible. The explosions are completely disorienting.

    "Gas" is not unique in offering "no escape," nor in the infliction of horrible, life-altering injuries. And depending on the situation, it can be the other way around.

    , @Rhett Hardwick
    Gas Masks, standard issue in many wars. We used to buy them at "war surplus" stores when I was akid.
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