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    Damascus, Syria. Not for at least three quarters of a century have the American people elected a president who so openly disparages, discards and seemingly abhors the principles, standards, policies, ideas, and institutions at the center of post-WW II US foreign policy. Trump seems to dismiss human rights even as a foreign policy principle, much...
  • @Brabantian
    Profoundly, Donald Trump began personally ordering the killing of Muslims in the Middle East within hours of his presidential inauguration ... In poor Bayda province, Yemen, amidst the Saudi-Israeli & Sunni-Shia tangle of Arabian peninsula civil wars, Trump apparently helping the Saudis ... who have been backing the Syrian carnage
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/01/24/trump-escalates-war-in-yemen/

    The killed people were allegedly 'Al-Qaeda' ... which as intel veterans revealed long ago, doesn't really exist except as fabricated US-Nato Al-CIAda

    Their deaths were drone plane murder war crimes, just like Obama committed, drone plane killings which we know are personally appoved by the US President

    A turning point of Donald Trump's existence, the moment when Trump began openly killing people & spilling human blood ... Donald Trump now has his perhaps first human corpses to haunt him, souls whom Donald Trump will perhaps himself meet after Trump exits this life

    International killing by drone is particularly ugly, a de-humanising, colonialist crime of rich & strong against weak & poor

    What comment is complete without the word “dehumanizing”?

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:

    It’s incredible that the US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar will not face any punishment for what they collectively did to Syria. They all aided the worst kind of terrorists to turn that country upside down. They were THE BIGGEST SPONSORS OF TERRORISM. It’s often said that Iran is the biggest sponsor of terrorism, but did Iran’s ‘terrorists’ create a mess as big as the one in Libya or Syria?

    The world is sick and unjust. International laws be damned. If you got the power, you can
    ANYTHING and get away with it.

    And the nerve of American Jews(who used their puppets Clinton, Bush, and Obama to mess up the Middle East and turn millions of Arabs into refugees) to virtue-signal as the best friends of ‘refugees’ when it is their instigated wars that reduced so many Muslims and Arabs into refugees.

    A sick world.

    We should lead an International Movement for Justice.

    All those regimes in US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar should face international justice at the Hague for their support of terrorists in Syria to reduce that nation to rubble.

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  • Jesus fuck what. If Iran gets it for the usual neocon reasons, then I will endorse any political program about the purge of you-know-what even if it means literally being for (INSERT HITLER OF THE DAY)!

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  • @Lyttenburgh

    4 Today Russia is trying to get out of the rut by visioning a national identity based on religion and on nationalism
     
    Sadly, not entirely true. Russian constitution explicitly forbids the ruling ideilogy, despite the fact that every single sate has one official or not. Next - Russian simply can not base its future identity on one religion. We are multiconfessional. So far it more or less worked as the solidarity among the "Big 4" traditionl organized religions, with other cults and sects (mainly - imported from the west) told to be scarce. And I approve of that.

    Finally - what do you understand by the "nationalism"? "Nationalism" as the term bears very strong negative connotation in Russia. Nationalists, are the people running both the streets, NatzGuard and the corridors of power in the Ukraine. Nationalists are the deluded rulers of the Baltic sprats and the loggerhead Polacks.

    We are patriots. We love our country ("patria"), not our specific ethnicity/nationality.

    “We are patriots. We love our country (“patria”), not our specific ethnicity/nationality.”
    Very powerful words.

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  • @Sam J.
    "...The possibilities of an Iranian withdrawal from Syria would be increased, however, if the Assad regime agreed to shed its Iranian ally and other Shia militia allies in exchange for reduced pressures from Washington and even a new pragmatic arrangement with Israel..."

    My question is who would be stupid enough to trust Israel and the US, as the US is just a proxy for Israel presently? When the Jews have cut off your support that's when they really start killing you. Before they they are all sweet talk. Qaddafi found this out the hard way.

    On point.
    Meanwhile, the UK has rediscovered that Syria is a democracy: http://www.voltairenet.org/article195074.html
    The article gives a nice black eye to the prostituting Philip Hammond

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  • promoting the evangelical and Southern Baptist

    Here you, KA, are, trying to deride Smoothie with pure nonsense. Having had contact with Southern Baptistt types overseas, I have a distaste for them.

    This is why, when not being irreligious, I will choose Orthodoxy, and Catholicism in places in lack of the former, a little Buddhism, and reverence for tragic heroes of the past, and literature of the deep past. Reading Homer as recalled by classical Greece is like a religious act for my heart.

    whiled decimating the other forces

    What conflict and forces are you talking about? It is pure nonsense, the only phenomenon to resemble it is Mormonism, a heresy of gangsters and whores at the start, and they stopped their rampage quite some time (over a hundred years) ago. They will always be, not heretics, that is their pretence, they are really something else, I don’t know the theological term, but they have a policy of faking being Christian, while not being so.

    On the other hand, I don’t mind meeting Mormon missionarys, once one makes it clear that one is not a prospective convert, they become a little less robotic, though still a bit robotic.

    I agree that some types of protestants have silly eschatology.

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  • F.Lamb:

    One opposition claimed deep split between Tehran and Moscow is over Putin’s insistence that Hezbollah should be forced to leave Syria.

    ‘One opposition claimed’ is worth absolutely NOTHING, since these folks are paid to lie and make up propaganda. Plus, how believable is such crap? First of all, Hezbollah intervened in Syria in 2013 at the REQUEST of the Syrian government. Secondly, the Russians would have to be really stupid to want Hezb to leave Syria when there is still so much fighting ahead and Hezbollah troops are among the best available on the ground and I really mean it. Anyone who has served and seen the few real videos of Hez troops in action, can appreciate how good these guys are… or just take a look at their high op success rate. They are highly trained, disciplined, resourceful, agressive. The real deal.
    Hezb in urban warfare, Syria, Zabadani ops, Summer 2015:

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  • F.Lamb:

    The US Congress and the six GCC countries also want the end to Iran’s reported ethnic cleansing and population transfers in Syria

    BS. All lies. The folks who have been doing their best to ‘eviscerate Syria’s secular governmental system and its historical tolerance for all religions and ethnicities’ is of course ZUSA and its allies, who have been heavily promoting sectarianism and ethnic strife in the region, including in Syria.

    F.Lamb:

    The Trump team wants Iran out of the six countries it is currently accused of occupying and insists on dismantling the Shia militia crescent that Iran has methodically put in place over the past several years, which funnels weapons and explosive devices as well as cash and militia from Iraq. These include Yemen’s party Ansar Allah (made up of Houthis loyal to Iran); the Afghanistan-based Fatemyoun Division of the IRGC-Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps; Pakistan’s Shi’ite Zaynabyoun Brigade; Lebanon’s Hezbollah; and others.

    Laughable nonsense. Iran does not ‘occupy’ a single country, and to include countries such as Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen is even more ludicrous.
    The Fatemiyoun Div., for example, is recruited from Afghanistan, a sort of Iranian foreign legion, but fights in Syria.
    In Yemen, sources that are well informed about the situation on the ground have stated that Iranian involvement is unproven and marginal at best. For example, Col.Pat Lang, a Vietnam vet who was a former US military attache in Yemen and got to know the Houthies wrote saying they are nobodie’s proxies. The agressors are the Saudi sissies and their Gulf allies backed by ZUSA and England. Col Lang wrote:

    ‘The Houthi descendants of my old acquaintances are not servants of Iran. They are not dangerous to Western interests. They are dangerous to AQAP. Get it? Salih will return.”

    He also wrote a few lines about the Houthi fighters that anticipated the ongoing Saudi failures in Yemen(the Saudi military possesses a lot of expensive weapon systems but cannot fight their way out of a paper bag).

    “Spectacularly gifted in field craft, endowed with a wry, dry sense of humor and fiercely independent among the clans and against whatever government might be, these perpetually armed little hill men make good friends but bad enemies.”

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  • F.Lamb:

    Israel is also seeking permission from the Trump White House for a green light to destroy Hezbollah bases in Lebanon and, if necessary, to neuter Iran’s air force and armed forces. To some, Trump appears to be listening.

    Ridiculous, since Israel does not have such capabilities anyway. The most Israel might try is to provoke a war in order to drag its ZUSA zombie to fight it for zion. Such a war would be a disaster for ZUSA and would make Iraq/Afghanistan really look like a walk in the park by comparison. Trump would enter the books as the worst president ever. Let’s hope he is not that stupid.

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  • @Seamus Padraig
    Yes, it's positively sickening that Democrats, who did so much to wreck Syria, now try to pose as the 'compassionate ones' regarding the refugee situation they helped create. Utter hypocrisy! Can Tulsi Gabbard be the last honorable member of her party?

    Well, ZUSA’s imperial foreign policy is pretty much a bi-partisan thing, since both parties ain’t nothing but fronts for the ‘Deep State’, the special interests which truly run the country.

    From time to time, very rarely, we see an honorable Republican, like Richard Black – Virginia State Senate – or a Democrat, such as Tulsi Gabbard.

    There should be a lot more of them, but in such a corrupt political system, that is impossible.

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  • @Lyttenburgh

    Interestingly, I don’t see you complaining about smoothie’s insults, lies and dishonesty… or his using ethnic and/or religious ‘stereotyping’.
     
    What in the word "solidarity" confuses you?

    Seriously, all this drama over smoothies’ bottle of Vodka?? tsk, tsk.
     
    Yes. If you are going to attack one Russian with ethnic slurs and stereotypes, then you are going to attack all of us given an opportunity. No amount of sweet talk gonna mask that you are at least thinking about it.

    So, will you?

    “What in the word “solidarity” confuses you?”

    Solidarity with dishonest liars & propagandists, just bc the person is of the same ethnicity as yourself is NOT a virtue at all.

    “If you are going to attack one Russian with ethnic slurs and stereotypes, then you are going to attack all of us given an opportunity.”

    Ridiculous drama, but if that is how you feel, so be it.

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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    SO IS EVREY RELIGION
     
    No religion in the world, other than Islam, explicitly suggests to kill infidels.

    America continues to assert -This country was based on Judeo -Christian principle
     
    I am an "atheist" (I am not militant) but I know for sure--take out Christianity out of the West and it will die. In fact, observe European catastrophe unfolding right now in a front of our very eyes. This is your post-Christian, post-modernist cloaca. That is why each time I am asked about my faith I quote Oriana Fallaci "I am Christian atheist". As per Judaeo-Christain--never bought this patronizing BS. Christian? Yes. Judeo, well--so-so. Albeit God Of Israel is Christianity's God.

    Christianity will survive in countries that matter for Christianity- Africa WE Asia S America . They will be enough to ignite religious war in the left over American and Australians It doesn’t take many to incite . They are vocal assertive and they believe they are right They also believe they they have every right to set the world on correct path just like any other religions do periodically .

    It was no problem for Graham to get into proselytizing ritual after America rolled in Iraq He diid not succeed doesn’t mean he he did not try and mean
    Religion was in the mind of Blair Bush and multitudes of those r who went to Iraq Somalia and Afghanistan Some of them atheist but that did not prevent them to think the war in religious terms

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  • @L.K
    Interestingly, I don't see you complaining about smoothie's insults, lies and dishonesty... or his using ethnic and/or religious 'stereotyping'.
    Seriously, all this drama over smoothies' bottle of Vodka?? tsk, tsk.

    Interestingly, I don’t see you complaining about smoothie’s insults, lies and dishonesty… or his using ethnic and/or religious ‘stereotyping’.

    What in the word “solidarity” confuses you?

    Seriously, all this drama over smoothies’ bottle of Vodka?? tsk, tsk.

    Yes. If you are going to attack one Russian with ethnic slurs and stereotypes, then you are going to attack all of us given an opportunity. No amount of sweet talk gonna mask that you are at least thinking about it.

    So, will you?

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    "What in the word “solidarity” confuses you?"

    Solidarity with dishonest liars & propagandists, just bc the person is of the same ethnicity as yourself is NOT a virtue at all.

    "If you are going to attack one Russian with ethnic slurs and stereotypes, then you are going to attack all of us given an opportunity."

    Ridiculous drama, but if that is how you feel, so be it.
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  • @KA
    'Islam is more than just religion–it is also a political, social and warfare (read Malik’s Quranic Concept Of War)"
    1 SO IS EVREY RELIGION . It goes pretty deep in European psychology- Constantine will win this war ;Make the war with this sign 1 European war in Middle Ages among themselves were also pretty religious in nature and in hunting enemies and for bounty

    2 Hitler used to have Religion under his belt to visible by other He outwardly claimed to be a good Christian and persecuted certain religious entities

    3 God Glory and Gold shaped the Spanish conquest

    4 Today Russia is trying to get out of the rut by visioning a national identity based on religion and on nationalism
    5 America continues to assert -This country was based on Judeo -Christian principle

    4 Today Russia is trying to get out of the rut by visioning a national identity based on religion and on nationalism

    Sadly, not entirely true. Russian constitution explicitly forbids the ruling ideilogy, despite the fact that every single sate has one official or not. Next – Russian simply can not base its future identity on one religion. We are multiconfessional. So far it more or less worked as the solidarity among the “Big 4″ traditionl organized religions, with other cults and sects (mainly – imported from the west) told to be scarce. And I approve of that.

    Finally – what do you understand by the “nationalism”? “Nationalism” as the term bears very strong negative connotation in Russia. Nationalists, are the people running both the streets, NatzGuard and the corridors of power in the Ukraine. Nationalists are the deluded rulers of the Baltic sprats and the loggerhead Polacks.

    We are patriots. We love our country (“patria”), not our specific ethnicity/nationality.

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    "We are patriots. We love our country (“patria”), not our specific ethnicity/nationality."
    Very powerful words.
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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    SO IS EVREY RELIGION
     
    No religion in the world, other than Islam, explicitly suggests to kill infidels.

    America continues to assert -This country was based on Judeo -Christian principle
     
    I am an "atheist" (I am not militant) but I know for sure--take out Christianity out of the West and it will die. In fact, observe European catastrophe unfolding right now in a front of our very eyes. This is your post-Christian, post-modernist cloaca. That is why each time I am asked about my faith I quote Oriana Fallaci "I am Christian atheist". As per Judaeo-Christain--never bought this patronizing BS. Christian? Yes. Judeo, well--so-so. Albeit God Of Israel is Christianity's God.

    The God of Christianity is indeed the God of Israel, the God who talked to Abraham and to Jacob who was called Israel. It is the God of the ‘House of Israel’.
    The problem is the equivocation of Israel with Jew. The tribe of Judah was just a part of ‘House of Israel’ (rigorously a 1/12). Judah are Israelites. Israelites are not Jews. The Kingdom of Judah was a split part of the Kingdom of Israel with the pretention to represent the whole. The God of the Jews is not quite the ‘God of Israel’. He is actually not at all as Jesus told them:

    “If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God (John 8:39-47).

    So, ‘Judeo-Christianity’ is an imposture. It is the result of centuries of ‘judaization’ of Christianity.

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  • @Ben_C
    I think Israel can do a great deal unilaterally to normalize relations here:

    #1: Israel can immediately return the Golan to Syria and the Syrian people--where it rightfully belongs.

    #2: Israel can immediately disarm its nuclear armaments and subject itself to UN inspections.

    #3: Israel can come to a reasonable settlement with their Palestinian counterparts on "peace" and "co-existence"

    #4: Israel can vow to never bomb other nations (including the West Bank, Gaza, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, and/or elsewhere) or kill civilians of other nations--this included nuclear physicists and communication centers in Damascus...

    #5: Israel can agree to pay "reparations" to all parties it has harmed over the years...which will be a pretty penny btw...

    All of these actions will go a long way to "normalize" the "relations"...but I'm not holding my breath...

    Be that as it may, it seem as though the ball is in Israel's court here...

    Yes, Israel can do all that but if she did, she will die. The Jews are so used to “Mena” from heaven that they can’t live in peace. If there is peace in the Middle East, there will not be any need for this military build up. The billions of dollars now flowing, from the US and around the world, into Israel will stop. The incentives the government gives to the Jews to stay in Israel will end and they will start to move to other countries. Palestinian population will overtake the Jewish population and bye bye Israel.

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  • @Marcus
    I wouldn't rule out a future concordat with the Taliban if they retake the country again. However, the Taliban are essentially controlled by the Pakistani military, which doesn't want any kind of stability in Afghanistan.

    You are confusing the two Talibans. Pakistani Talibans are different than the Afghani Talibans. Pakistani Talibans were created by the Pakistani military and are controlled (but with a little c) by the military.

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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    SO IS EVREY RELIGION
     
    No religion in the world, other than Islam, explicitly suggests to kill infidels.

    America continues to assert -This country was based on Judeo -Christian principle
     
    I am an "atheist" (I am not militant) but I know for sure--take out Christianity out of the West and it will die. In fact, observe European catastrophe unfolding right now in a front of our very eyes. This is your post-Christian, post-modernist cloaca. That is why each time I am asked about my faith I quote Oriana Fallaci "I am Christian atheist". As per Judaeo-Christain--never bought this patronizing BS. Christian? Yes. Judeo, well--so-so. Albeit God Of Israel is Christianity's God.

    Go and read the Telmud. It talks about killing the gentiles. It also says that gentiles are dogs and that they were created to serve the Jews.

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  • @Andrei Martyanov
    That certainly could be the case and the doggedness with which he tries to avoid even mentioning his cultural background opens the possibility of him being a Hasbara-type.

    It is quite typical Hasbara.

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  • @Lyttenburgh

    Listen, Lyttenburgh,

    Was I talking to you? Is your name “SmoothieXwhatever”?

    No, right? So relax, man. I have nothing at all against Russians, in fact I have written posts here at Unz exposing anti-Russia propagandists, such as ‘quatermaster’.

    I do not like liars though, intellectually dishonest cunts, such as this smoothie guy. It just so happens that this one is Russian.
     
    It's all nice and dandy... but you resorted to ethnic stereotyping. And this is big no-no when concerns me and *my* ethnicity. What, your list of typical Russian stereotypes doos no include the "solidarity"? Tsk. Now you know.

    You can call SmoothieX whatever you like, you can write whatver your upbringing (or the lack thereof) allows you to write. Just don't bring up the ethnic slurs.

    Take care
     
    You too.

    Interestingly, I don’t see you complaining about smoothie’s insults, lies and dishonesty… or his using ethnic and/or religious ‘stereotyping’.
    Seriously, all this drama over smoothies’ bottle of Vodka?? tsk, tsk.

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    Interestingly, I don’t see you complaining about smoothie’s insults, lies and dishonesty… or his using ethnic and/or religious ‘stereotyping’.
     
    What in the word "solidarity" confuses you?

    Seriously, all this drama over smoothies’ bottle of Vodka?? tsk, tsk.
     
    Yes. If you are going to attack one Russian with ethnic slurs and stereotypes, then you are going to attack all of us given an opportunity. No amount of sweet talk gonna mask that you are at least thinking about it.

    So, will you?
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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @KA
    'Islam is more than just religion–it is also a political, social and warfare (read Malik’s Quranic Concept Of War)"
    1 SO IS EVREY RELIGION . It goes pretty deep in European psychology- Constantine will win this war ;Make the war with this sign 1 European war in Middle Ages among themselves were also pretty religious in nature and in hunting enemies and for bounty

    2 Hitler used to have Religion under his belt to visible by other He outwardly claimed to be a good Christian and persecuted certain religious entities

    3 God Glory and Gold shaped the Spanish conquest

    4 Today Russia is trying to get out of the rut by visioning a national identity based on religion and on nationalism
    5 America continues to assert -This country was based on Judeo -Christian principle

    SO IS EVREY RELIGION

    No religion in the world, other than Islam, explicitly suggests to kill infidels.

    America continues to assert -This country was based on Judeo -Christian principle

    I am an “atheist” (I am not militant) but I know for sure–take out Christianity out of the West and it will die. In fact, observe European catastrophe unfolding right now in a front of our very eyes. This is your post-Christian, post-modernist cloaca. That is why each time I am asked about my faith I quote Oriana Fallaci “I am Christian atheist”. As per Judaeo-Christain–never bought this patronizing BS. Christian? Yes. Judeo, well–so-so. Albeit God Of Israel is Christianity’s God.

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    Go and read the Telmud. It talks about killing the gentiles. It also says that gentiles are dogs and that they were created to serve the Jews.
    , @Seraphim
    The God of Christianity is indeed the God of Israel, the God who talked to Abraham and to Jacob who was called Israel. It is the God of the 'House of Israel'.
    The problem is the equivocation of Israel with Jew. The tribe of Judah was just a part of 'House of Israel' (rigorously a 1/12). Judah are Israelites. Israelites are not Jews. The Kingdom of Judah was a split part of the Kingdom of Israel with the pretention to represent the whole. The God of the Jews is not quite the 'God of Israel'. He is actually not at all as Jesus told them:

    "If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God (John 8:39-47).

    So, 'Judeo-Christianity' is an imposture. It is the result of centuries of 'judaization' of Christianity.
    , @bunga
    Christianity will survive in countries that matter for Christianity- Africa WE Asia S America . They will be enough to ignite religious war in the left over American and Australians It doesn't take many to incite . They are vocal assertive and they believe they are right They also believe they they have every right to set the world on correct path just like any other religions do periodically .

    It was no problem for Graham to get into proselytizing ritual after America rolled in Iraq He diid not succeed doesn't mean he he did not try and mean
    Religion was in the mind of Blair Bush and multitudes of those r who went to Iraq Somalia and Afghanistan Some of them atheist but that did not prevent them to think the war in religious terms
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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    . Religion in politics was brought by British and by US
     
    Religion was always in politics and geopolitics, it shaped them. Islam is more than just religion--it is also a political, social and warfare (read Malik's Quranic Concept Of War) concept. There is no denial of US and British religious underpinning in their geopolitical views, and, yes, you are correct--large swaths of American Evangelicals are de facto Zionists and, thanks in large part to this polity, US views and actions in ME brought about a catastrophe there. Well, looks like messianic streak in US came largely to a halt and these are good news both for ME and US. But all this, including American culpability, does not deny the fact of a fundamental incompatibility of Islam with what, if to follow Scruton's definition, Western Civilization is. Europeans are having a lesson in that while I type this. I don't think they like it, well except for imbeciles such as that German social "worker" gang raped in one of the "refugee" camps and then blaming it on herself. Those are not Europeans anymore.

    ‘Islam is more than just religion–it is also a political, social and warfare (read Malik’s Quranic Concept Of War)”
    1 SO IS EVREY RELIGION . It goes pretty deep in European psychology- Constantine will win this war ;Make the war with this sign 1 European war in Middle Ages among themselves were also pretty religious in nature and in hunting enemies and for bounty

    2 Hitler used to have Religion under his belt to visible by other He outwardly claimed to be a good Christian and persecuted certain religious entities

    3 God Glory and Gold shaped the Spanish conquest

    4 Today Russia is trying to get out of the rut by visioning a national identity based on religion and on nationalism
    5 America continues to assert -This country was based on Judeo -Christian principle

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    SO IS EVREY RELIGION
     
    No religion in the world, other than Islam, explicitly suggests to kill infidels.

    America continues to assert -This country was based on Judeo -Christian principle
     
    I am an "atheist" (I am not militant) but I know for sure--take out Christianity out of the West and it will die. In fact, observe European catastrophe unfolding right now in a front of our very eyes. This is your post-Christian, post-modernist cloaca. That is why each time I am asked about my faith I quote Oriana Fallaci "I am Christian atheist". As per Judaeo-Christain--never bought this patronizing BS. Christian? Yes. Judeo, well--so-so. Albeit God Of Israel is Christianity's God.
    , @Lyttenburgh

    4 Today Russia is trying to get out of the rut by visioning a national identity based on religion and on nationalism
     
    Sadly, not entirely true. Russian constitution explicitly forbids the ruling ideilogy, despite the fact that every single sate has one official or not. Next - Russian simply can not base its future identity on one religion. We are multiconfessional. So far it more or less worked as the solidarity among the "Big 4" traditionl organized religions, with other cults and sects (mainly - imported from the west) told to be scarce. And I approve of that.

    Finally - what do you understand by the "nationalism"? "Nationalism" as the term bears very strong negative connotation in Russia. Nationalists, are the people running both the streets, NatzGuard and the corridors of power in the Ukraine. Nationalists are the deluded rulers of the Baltic sprats and the loggerhead Polacks.

    We are patriots. We love our country ("patria"), not our specific ethnicity/nationality.
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  • @KA
    Thank you Once those proposals and arrangements did not work out to US's interest ,US went bonkers .
    Those propositions worked out slowly and inexorably with Gulf monarchies, with Saudi Royals , with Pakistani military .But the primitive Taliban did not see the future with US that way .

    I wouldn’t rule out a future concordat with the Taliban if they retake the country again. However, the Taliban are essentially controlled by the Pakistani military, which doesn’t want any kind of stability in Afghanistan.

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    You are confusing the two Talibans. Pakistani Talibans are different than the Afghani Talibans. Pakistani Talibans were created by the Pakistani military and are controlled (but with a little c) by the military.
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  • @L.K
    Some great tweets by rep.Tulsi Gabbard

    "We should not ban refugees from our country. But we must address the root cause that is making people flee their homes— regime-change wars."
    "The people fleeing don’t want to live in a refugee camp - they would rather be in their homes, in their own country."
    "This is why we must end the counterproductive regime-change war in Syria that is causing tremendous suffering & death."
     

    Yes, it’s positively sickening that Democrats, who did so much to wreck Syria, now try to pose as the ‘compassionate ones’ regarding the refugee situation they helped create. Utter hypocrisy! Can Tulsi Gabbard be the last honorable member of her party?

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    • Replies: @L.K
    Well, ZUSA's imperial foreign policy is pretty much a bi-partisan thing, since both parties ain't nothing but fronts for the 'Deep State', the special interests which truly run the country.

    From time to time, very rarely, we see an honorable Republican, like Richard Black - Virginia State Senate - or a Democrat, such as Tulsi Gabbard.

    There should be a lot more of them, but in such a corrupt political system, that is impossible.
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  • @L.K
    Listen, Lyttenburgh,

    Was I talking to you? Is your name "SmoothieXwhatever"?

    No, right? So relax, man. I have nothing at all against Russians, in fact I have written posts here at Unz exposing anti-Russia propagandists, such as 'quatermaster'.

    I do not like liars though, intellectually dishonest cunts, such as this smoothie guy. It just so happens that this one is Russian.

    Take care

    Listen, Lyttenburgh,

    Was I talking to you? Is your name “SmoothieXwhatever”?

    No, right? So relax, man. I have nothing at all against Russians, in fact I have written posts here at Unz exposing anti-Russia propagandists, such as ‘quatermaster’.

    I do not like liars though, intellectually dishonest cunts, such as this smoothie guy. It just so happens that this one is Russian.

    It’s all nice and dandy… but you resorted to ethnic stereotyping. And this is big no-no when concerns me and *my* ethnicity. What, your list of typical Russian stereotypes doos no include the “solidarity”? Tsk. Now you know.

    You can call SmoothieX whatever you like, you can write whatver your upbringing (or the lack thereof) allows you to write. Just don’t bring up the ethnic slurs.

    Take care

    You too.

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    • Replies: @L.K
    Interestingly, I don't see you complaining about smoothie's insults, lies and dishonesty... or his using ethnic and/or religious 'stereotyping'.
    Seriously, all this drama over smoothies' bottle of Vodka?? tsk, tsk.
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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @schmenz
    It seems clear you are woefully misinformed about the Church vis-a-vis the phony state of Israel. When Herzl came to Pope St Pius X to get a papal blessing on the Zionist project, here is the answer he got:

    "We are unable to favor this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem — but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore, we cannot recognize the Jewish people.’ “

    It is true that the Modernists who have been infesting the Church for the past 90+ years have tried to reverse everything the Church stood for for 2,000 years regarding the Jewish people. John Paul II was perhaps the worst in this regard. He was pressured into acknowledging the "state" of Israel. You need to differentiate between them and the long tradition of the Church concerning the Jews.

    http://catholicism.org/the-zionist-and-the-saint.html

    http://theeye-witness.blogspot.com/2013/10/jean-madiran-romes-other-secret-accord.html

    the past 90+ years have tried to reverse everything the Church stood for for 2,000 years regarding the Jewish people.

    90 years is a long time. A great deal has changed. Zionists engineered the destruction of the center of Christendom in Europe, namely, Germany. In the place of Jesus on the Cross and his Resurrection, Jews have elevated themselves as history’s perpetual victims and ‘survivors.’

    John Paul II was perhaps the worst in this regard. He was pressured into acknowledging the “state” of Israel.

    Vatican II , rather, the Jewish distortion and re-interpretation of Nostra Aetate in 1965

    You need to differentiate between them and the long tradition of the Church concerning the Jews.

    Very true perspective to maintain, while remaining cognizant that we live in the present day, and, while the God of History will, by definition, prevail over the minds of men who “create their own reality,” that God of History carries out his will through us, human hands, arms and minds, in this day.

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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @KA
    Yes I can understand why you will say so ( about progressive being in miniscule number ) because for you history started yesterday For me it started much earlier in the beginning of 20th century - for the ME and for Indo Pak - it is way much earlier . Religion in politics was brought by British and by US Non religious forces were wiped out by British and by US . They could do it in America also by promoting the evangelical and Southern Baptist whiled decimating the other forces

    . Religion in politics was brought by British and by US

    Religion was always in politics and geopolitics, it shaped them. Islam is more than just religion–it is also a political, social and warfare (read Malik’s Quranic Concept Of War) concept. There is no denial of US and British religious underpinning in their geopolitical views, and, yes, you are correct–large swaths of American Evangelicals are de facto Zionists and, thanks in large part to this polity, US views and actions in ME brought about a catastrophe there. Well, looks like messianic streak in US came largely to a halt and these are good news both for ME and US. But all this, including American culpability, does not deny the fact of a fundamental incompatibility of Islam with what, if to follow Scruton’s definition, Western Civilization is. Europeans are having a lesson in that while I type this. I don’t think they like it, well except for imbeciles such as that German social “worker” gang raped in one of the “refugee” camps and then blaming it on herself. Those are not Europeans anymore.

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    'Islam is more than just religion–it is also a political, social and warfare (read Malik’s Quranic Concept Of War)"
    1 SO IS EVREY RELIGION . It goes pretty deep in European psychology- Constantine will win this war ;Make the war with this sign 1 European war in Middle Ages among themselves were also pretty religious in nature and in hunting enemies and for bounty

    2 Hitler used to have Religion under his belt to visible by other He outwardly claimed to be a good Christian and persecuted certain religious entities

    3 God Glory and Gold shaped the Spanish conquest

    4 Today Russia is trying to get out of the rut by visioning a national identity based on religion and on nationalism
    5 America continues to assert -This country was based on Judeo -Christian principle
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  • Some great tweets by rep.Tulsi Gabbard

    “We should not ban refugees from our country. But we must address the root cause that is making people flee their homes— regime-change wars.”
    “The people fleeing don’t want to live in a refugee camp – they would rather be in their homes, in their own country.”
    “This is why we must end the counterproductive regime-change war in Syria that is causing tremendous suffering & death.”

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    Yes, it's positively sickening that Democrats, who did so much to wreck Syria, now try to pose as the 'compassionate ones' regarding the refugee situation they helped create. Utter hypocrisy! Can Tulsi Gabbard be the last honorable member of her party?
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  • There is much more evidence of how ZUSA and its allies have facilitated the creation and expansion of what we now call ‘Islamic State’.

    In the past year or so, ZUSA has actually launched – falsely claimed as mistakes – airstrikes against the Syrian army and Syrian infrastructure in Deir Ezzor, Eastern Syria, which has long been under siege by DAESH. Interestingly, the MSM presstitutes are totally silent about the circa 120 K civilians under siege and in great danger in the city.
    ‘B’, a retired(I think) German army officer wrote a good piece on this:

    …The U.S. has condoned and/or even actively supported the imminent ISIS taking of Deir Ezzor by (at least) three measures:
    -a massive U.S. air attack on SAA forces in September 2016 enabled ISIS to take a controlling position and to cut off SAA resupplies
    -a U.S. attack against a power station in January disabled the last electricity supplies to the city
    -U.S. non-intervention enabled ISIS reinforcements from Mosul and west Iraq to Deir Ezzor in east-Syria
    On September 16 2016 an hour long U.S. led air attack on SAA positions on the Tharda hills to the south of the airport killed over 100 SAA soldiers, destroyed a big SAA supply dump and several SAA tanks and artillery pieces. Immediately after the U.S. attack ISIS took the hills and has since held them. The positions allow for fire control over the airport of Deir Ezzor.

    The U.S. military claimed that the attack was a mistake but a thorough reading of the investigation report of that “mistake” shows that the U.S. military attack was intentionally targeting the SAA[...]

    Since the U.S. attack in September no significant air supplies have reached Deir Ezzor. Even helicopter landing at the airport is only possible at night and by taking very high risks. The city inhabitants and their defenders are completely cut off.

    Early January U.S. airforce attacks destroyed the electricity plant at the Omar oilfield near Deir Ezzor. The plant was the last one to supply the city of Deir Ezzor. Since then only a few military generators and dwindling fuel supplies are left for medical and communication equipment.

    Read more at http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/01/how-the-us-enabled-isis-to-take-deir-ezzor.html#more

    p.s. Since then the situation has improved a bit in Deir Ezor and some supplies and reinforcements have landed there.

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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    Why doesn’t the progressive ( religious and secular ) raise their voices? Because they don’t have western support .
     
    While all what you wrote may become a foundation for an interesting (and possibly very heated) discussion, one thing is for sure--there are very few "progressives" of "religious" nature in Sunni Islam. in fact, the number of those "progressives" is extremely small. You could be killed for your religious "progressiveness" in Islam, plain and simple. Many have been killed (stoned, burned alive, beheaded etc.). Islam is Sharia, no Sharia--Islam stops being Islam. Most Arab Muslims (number of polls have been conducted) are for Sharia. Thus, for the most part, Islam as civilization will continue to be what it is today. Ideas of great late Abdurrahman Wahid ( a truly progressive Islamic thinker), including the idea that because of the very Islamic backwardness and brutality the change will come out from within, nothing so far materialized and, probably, will not. Albeit, I have to point out that all of this has to be judged on case to case basis. Syria wanted to stay secular, while in KSA you will be jailed (or executed) for having Bible. Iraq was largely secular country--we know what happened. Now we need to observe Turkey and Azerbaijan, where all this will evolve. Azeris, however, are predominantly Shia and have a different dynamics because of a significant degree of "Russification" (and Sovietization) for centuries. Middle Asia--is a separate case.

    Yes I can understand why you will say so ( about progressive being in miniscule number ) because for you history started yesterday For me it started much earlier in the beginning of 20th century – for the ME and for Indo Pak – it is way much earlier . Religion in politics was brought by British and by US Non religious forces were wiped out by British and by US . They could do it in America also by promoting the evangelical and Southern Baptist whiled decimating the other forces

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    . Religion in politics was brought by British and by US
     
    Religion was always in politics and geopolitics, it shaped them. Islam is more than just religion--it is also a political, social and warfare (read Malik's Quranic Concept Of War) concept. There is no denial of US and British religious underpinning in their geopolitical views, and, yes, you are correct--large swaths of American Evangelicals are de facto Zionists and, thanks in large part to this polity, US views and actions in ME brought about a catastrophe there. Well, looks like messianic streak in US came largely to a halt and these are good news both for ME and US. But all this, including American culpability, does not deny the fact of a fundamental incompatibility of Islam with what, if to follow Scruton's definition, Western Civilization is. Europeans are having a lesson in that while I type this. I don't think they like it, well except for imbeciles such as that German social "worker" gang raped in one of the "refugee" camps and then blaming it on herself. Those are not Europeans anymore.
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  • As I and others have argued, Lamb’s piece is nothing but a collection of Zio-US-Gulf propaganda talking points, a bunch of lies. Some of the falsehoods suggested in the piece should be scrutinized more closely. Lyttenburgh did a very good job exposing some of what touched on Russia.
    Let’s take a look at some of the other lies, for instance, the idiotic concept that Iran is one of ‘isis mothers’!!
    F.Lamb:

    Others argue that, in any event, Iran was one of the several “Mothers of ISIS,” its being (they argue) partly Iran’s creation, and claiming that Iran continues to do financial and political business with ISIS even though the Caliphate is now targeting Shias above all.

    The U.S. did not just turn a blind eye to the issue of its allies creating DAESH/ISIS but, as the Defense Intelligence Chief General Michael Flynn stated, took a “willful decision” to facilitate this.
    DIA document written in August 2012 states

    THE SALAFIST [sic], THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, AND AQI ARE THE MAJOR FORCES DRIVING THE INSURGENCY IN SYRIA. … AQI SUPPORTED THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION FROM THE BEGINNING, BOTH IDEOLOGICALLY AND THROUGH THE MEDIA …..

    Brad Hoff, a former US marine wrote:

    ‘…a much “bigger picture” admission and confirmation is contained in one of the Defense Intelligence Agency documents circulated in 2012: that an ‘Islamic State’ is desired in Eastern Syria to effect the West’s policies in the region.
    Astoundingly, the newly declassified report states that for “THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES, AND TURKEY [WHO] SUPPORT THE [SYRIAN] OPPOSITION… THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A DECLARED OR UNDECLARED SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY IN EASTERN SYRIA (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPPORTING POWERS TO THE OPPOSITION WANT, IN ORDER TO ISOLATE THE SYRIAN REGIME…”.
    The DIA report, formerly classified “SECRET//NOFORN” and dated August 12, 2012, was circulated widely among various government agencies, including CENTCOM, the CIA, FBI, DHS, NGA, State Dept., and many others.”

    https://levantreport.com/2015/05/19/2012-defense-intelligence-agency-document-west-will-facilitate-rise-of-islamic-state-in-order-to-isolate-the-syrian-regime/

    In Al Jazeera’s latest Head to Head episode, former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency Michael Flynn confirmed to Mehdi Hasan that not only had he studied the DIA memo predicting the West’s backing of an Islamic State in Syria when it came across his desk in 2012, but even asserts that the White House’s sponsoring of radical jihadists (that would emerge as ISIL and Nusra) against the Syrian regime was “a willful decision.” Interview available on the Net.

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  • @Marcus
    The US was warming up to the Taliban in the 1990s
    www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a092796kabul

    al Qaeda was not designated by the secretary of state until the fall of 1999.

    While Afghanistan became a sanctuary for al Qaeda, the State Department's interest in Afghanistan remained limited. Initially, after Taliban's rise, some state diplomats were -- as one official said to us -- willing to give the Taliban a chance because it might be able to bring stability to Afghanistan.

    A secondary consideration was that stability would allow an oil pipeline to be built through the country; a project to be managed by the Union Oil Company of California, or UNOCAL.
     
    govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch4.htm

    Thank you Once those proposals and arrangements did not work out to US’s interest ,US went bonkers .
    Those propositions worked out slowly and inexorably with Gulf monarchies, with Saudi Royals , with Pakistani military .But the primitive Taliban did not see the future with US that way .

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    I wouldn't rule out a future concordat with the Taliban if they retake the country again. However, the Taliban are essentially controlled by the Pakistani military, which doesn't want any kind of stability in Afghanistan.
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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @KA
    Why Taliban was not embraced by US UK and numerous US allies? Why Saudi never got
    the memo despite decades of similar abusive practices? Because Saudi gave what Taliban would never -including covert deep acceptance of Zionism including the demand to oil /mineral/strategic advantages needed by US. Saudi is the best investment America could bank on to get enormous return also what Taliban couldn't provide.
    By getting the coerced and bribed approval of Saudi , America could sway the rest of the Sunni countries .
    It is like Vatican in 1980s providing religious and spiritual cover to US against the Central and Latin America and of 1950s providing same cover for US against communism in Europe.

    What does Saudi get in return? It keeps the money and power to the royal family. What does the clerics of Saudi get? The clerics are allowed to stick to the regressive form of religious practices in return of the acceptance for American demands .
    Why doesn't the progressive ( religious and secular ) raise their voices? Because they don't have western support . Why don't they have western support? Because these forces will not accept American jingoism, exploitation, stealing and American abuse or will not join anti Libyan anti Syrian anti Iranian forces and wont accept Israeli aggression and expansion.

    Why doesn’t the progressive ( religious and secular ) raise their voices? Because they don’t have western support .

    While all what you wrote may become a foundation for an interesting (and possibly very heated) discussion, one thing is for sure–there are very few “progressives” of “religious” nature in Sunni Islam. in fact, the number of those “progressives” is extremely small. You could be killed for your religious “progressiveness” in Islam, plain and simple. Many have been killed (stoned, burned alive, beheaded etc.). Islam is Sharia, no Sharia–Islam stops being Islam. Most Arab Muslims (number of polls have been conducted) are for Sharia. Thus, for the most part, Islam as civilization will continue to be what it is today. Ideas of great late Abdurrahman Wahid ( a truly progressive Islamic thinker), including the idea that because of the very Islamic backwardness and brutality the change will come out from within, nothing so far materialized and, probably, will not. Albeit, I have to point out that all of this has to be judged on case to case basis. Syria wanted to stay secular, while in KSA you will be jailed (or executed) for having Bible. Iraq was largely secular country–we know what happened. Now we need to observe Turkey and Azerbaijan, where all this will evolve. Azeris, however, are predominantly Shia and have a different dynamics because of a significant degree of “Russification” (and Sovietization) for centuries. Middle Asia–is a separate case.

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    Yes I can understand why you will say so ( about progressive being in miniscule number ) because for you history started yesterday For me it started much earlier in the beginning of 20th century - for the ME and for Indo Pak - it is way much earlier . Religion in politics was brought by British and by US Non religious forces were wiped out by British and by US . They could do it in America also by promoting the evangelical and Southern Baptist whiled decimating the other forces
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  • @Lyttenburgh

    When writing your Russian superhero propaganda, are you at least sober, or hugging that Vodka bottle of yours?
     
    L.K., I'm Russian, born in USSR and living in Russian Federation. Do I peddle "Russian superhero propaganda" too? Am I also "hugging bottle vodka"? Do you really want to go down the path of using ethnic stereotypes and insults as the debate tactic?

    Listen, Lyttenburgh,

    Was I talking to you? Is your name “SmoothieXwhatever”?

    No, right? So relax, man. I have nothing at all against Russians, in fact I have written posts here at Unz exposing anti-Russia propagandists, such as ‘quatermaster’.

    I do not like liars though, intellectually dishonest cunts, such as this smoothie guy. It just so happens that this one is Russian.

    Take care

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    Listen, Lyttenburgh,

    Was I talking to you? Is your name “SmoothieXwhatever”?

    No, right? So relax, man. I have nothing at all against Russians, in fact I have written posts here at Unz exposing anti-Russia propagandists, such as ‘quatermaster’.

    I do not like liars though, intellectually dishonest cunts, such as this smoothie guy. It just so happens that this one is Russian.
     
    It's all nice and dandy... but you resorted to ethnic stereotyping. And this is big no-no when concerns me and *my* ethnicity. What, your list of typical Russian stereotypes doos no include the "solidarity"? Tsk. Now you know.

    You can call SmoothieX whatever you like, you can write whatver your upbringing (or the lack thereof) allows you to write. Just don't bring up the ethnic slurs.

    Take care
     
    You too.
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  • @Andrei Martyanov
    That certainly could be the case and the doggedness with which he tries to avoid even mentioning his cultural background opens the possibility of him being a Hasbara-type.

    I’m Jewish now?? Good one! Buhahahhahahaa

    I’m one of the fiercest critics of Jewish power and influence and the Zio squatter state.
    Again, there is an electronic record of this here at Unz.
    My cultural/ethnic background should not matter in a debate, but I have also already stated at Unz what my ethnicities are; I’m half German, half Italian.

    Even my posts here in this thread about how Israel and Zionism are the key culprits for the war in Syria demonstrate that in no way I could be Hasbara.

    You, on the other hand….

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  • @KA
    Why Taliban was not embraced by US UK and numerous US allies? Why Saudi never got
    the memo despite decades of similar abusive practices? Because Saudi gave what Taliban would never -including covert deep acceptance of Zionism including the demand to oil /mineral/strategic advantages needed by US. Saudi is the best investment America could bank on to get enormous return also what Taliban couldn't provide.
    By getting the coerced and bribed approval of Saudi , America could sway the rest of the Sunni countries .
    It is like Vatican in 1980s providing religious and spiritual cover to US against the Central and Latin America and of 1950s providing same cover for US against communism in Europe.

    What does Saudi get in return? It keeps the money and power to the royal family. What does the clerics of Saudi get? The clerics are allowed to stick to the regressive form of religious practices in return of the acceptance for American demands .
    Why doesn't the progressive ( religious and secular ) raise their voices? Because they don't have western support . Why don't they have western support? Because these forces will not accept American jingoism, exploitation, stealing and American abuse or will not join anti Libyan anti Syrian anti Iranian forces and wont accept Israeli aggression and expansion.

    The US was warming up to the Taliban in the 1990s
    http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a092796kabul

    al Qaeda was not designated by the secretary of state until the fall of 1999.

    While Afghanistan became a sanctuary for al Qaeda, the State Department’s interest in Afghanistan remained limited. Initially, after Taliban’s rise, some state diplomats were — as one official said to us — willing to give the Taliban a chance because it might be able to bring stability to Afghanistan.

    A secondary consideration was that stability would allow an oil pipeline to be built through the country; a project to be managed by the Union Oil Company of California, or UNOCAL.

    govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch4.htm

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    • Replies: @KA
    Thank you Once those proposals and arrangements did not work out to US's interest ,US went bonkers .
    Those propositions worked out slowly and inexorably with Gulf monarchies, with Saudi Royals , with Pakistani military .But the primitive Taliban did not see the future with US that way .
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  • I think Israel can do a great deal unilaterally to normalize relations here:

    #1: Israel can immediately return the Golan to Syria and the Syrian people–where it rightfully belongs.

    #2: Israel can immediately disarm its nuclear armaments and subject itself to UN inspections.

    #3: Israel can come to a reasonable settlement with their Palestinian counterparts on “peace” and “co-existence”

    #4: Israel can vow to never bomb other nations (including the West Bank, Gaza, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, and/or elsewhere) or kill civilians of other nations–this included nuclear physicists and communication centers in Damascus…

    #5: Israel can agree to pay “reparations” to all parties it has harmed over the years…which will be a pretty penny btw…

    All of these actions will go a long way to “normalize” the “relations”…but I’m not holding my breath…

    Be that as it may, it seem as though the ball is in Israel’s court here…

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    • Replies: @MEexpert
    Yes, Israel can do all that but if she did, she will die. The Jews are so used to "Mena" from heaven that they can't live in peace. If there is peace in the Middle East, there will not be any need for this military build up. The billions of dollars now flowing, from the US and around the world, into Israel will stop. The incentives the government gives to the Jews to stay in Israel will end and they will start to move to other countries. Palestinian population will overtake the Jewish population and bye bye Israel.
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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    Thee is a reason Saudi Arab- the most corrupt most regressive most barbarous is surviving, is a reason Israel is friend of S Arab.
     
    No, Saudi Arabia is a hell-hole not because of Israel but because of Wahhabi Islam. Take out Israel from the equation and KSA will remain what it is today regardless. I know there are many "Jews control the world"-fixated people here, but Islam had its issues with the world long before the state of Israel even appeared on the map.

    Why Taliban was not embraced by US UK and numerous US allies? Why Saudi never got
    the memo despite decades of similar abusive practices? Because Saudi gave what Taliban would never -including covert deep acceptance of Zionism including the demand to oil /mineral/strategic advantages needed by US. Saudi is the best investment America could bank on to get enormous return also what Taliban couldn’t provide.
    By getting the coerced and bribed approval of Saudi , America could sway the rest of the Sunni countries .
    It is like Vatican in 1980s providing religious and spiritual cover to US against the Central and Latin America and of 1950s providing same cover for US against communism in Europe.

    What does Saudi get in return? It keeps the money and power to the royal family. What does the clerics of Saudi get? The clerics are allowed to stick to the regressive form of religious practices in return of the acceptance for American demands .
    Why doesn’t the progressive ( religious and secular ) raise their voices? Because they don’t have western support . Why don’t they have western support? Because these forces will not accept American jingoism, exploitation, stealing and American abuse or will not join anti Libyan anti Syrian anti Iranian forces and wont accept Israeli aggression and expansion.

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    • Replies: @Marcus
    The US was warming up to the Taliban in the 1990s
    www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a092796kabul

    al Qaeda was not designated by the secretary of state until the fall of 1999.

    While Afghanistan became a sanctuary for al Qaeda, the State Department's interest in Afghanistan remained limited. Initially, after Taliban's rise, some state diplomats were -- as one official said to us -- willing to give the Taliban a chance because it might be able to bring stability to Afghanistan.

    A secondary consideration was that stability would allow an oil pipeline to be built through the country; a project to be managed by the Union Oil Company of California, or UNOCAL.
     
    govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch4.htm
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    Why doesn’t the progressive ( religious and secular ) raise their voices? Because they don’t have western support .
     
    While all what you wrote may become a foundation for an interesting (and possibly very heated) discussion, one thing is for sure--there are very few "progressives" of "religious" nature in Sunni Islam. in fact, the number of those "progressives" is extremely small. You could be killed for your religious "progressiveness" in Islam, plain and simple. Many have been killed (stoned, burned alive, beheaded etc.). Islam is Sharia, no Sharia--Islam stops being Islam. Most Arab Muslims (number of polls have been conducted) are for Sharia. Thus, for the most part, Islam as civilization will continue to be what it is today. Ideas of great late Abdurrahman Wahid ( a truly progressive Islamic thinker), including the idea that because of the very Islamic backwardness and brutality the change will come out from within, nothing so far materialized and, probably, will not. Albeit, I have to point out that all of this has to be judged on case to case basis. Syria wanted to stay secular, while in KSA you will be jailed (or executed) for having Bible. Iraq was largely secular country--we know what happened. Now we need to observe Turkey and Azerbaijan, where all this will evolve. Azeris, however, are predominantly Shia and have a different dynamics because of a significant degree of "Russification" (and Sovietization) for centuries. Middle Asia--is a separate case.
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  • @Seraphim
    Judging by the amount of Russophobia and ignorance augmented by typical 'chutzpah' displayed by L.K., methinks that only one conclusion imposes itself. 'Pole' speaking a German dialect called Yiddish.

    That certainly could be the case and the doggedness with which he tries to avoid even mentioning his cultural background opens the possibility of him being a Hasbara-type.

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    • Replies: @L.K
    I'm Jewish now?? Good one! Buhahahhahahaa

    I'm one of the fiercest critics of Jewish power and influence and the Zio squatter state.
    Again, there is an electronic record of this here at Unz.
    My cultural/ethnic background should not matter in a debate, but I have also already stated at Unz what my ethnicities are; I'm half German, half Italian.

    Even my posts here in this thread about how Israel and Zionism are the key culprits for the war in Syria demonstrate that in no way I could be Hasbara.

    You, on the other hand....
    , @Seraphim
    It is quite typical Hasbara.
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  • @L.K
    So, as usual, you have nothing, ZERO.
    You are at your most pathetic when you start throwing some military acronyms and parlance to make yourself sound important.
    Or when you start whining about how you went to such and such military academy, bla, blah.
    None of that matters when the problem is simply that you are intellectually dishonest, a bloody liar really.

    BTw, why have you dodged this?

    "The Soviet Union was a superpower and had great difficulties fighting the ZUSA backed jihadists in Afghanistan in the 80s.
    Russia suffered even worse later, when facing the fierce Chechens in the Caucasus."
     
    Yet Syria, a modest country with a modest military was supposed to easily defeat a ZUSA jihad operation larger than the one in Afghanistan... such an honest military "analyst" you are, sir.

    When writing your Russian superhero propaganda, are you at least sober, or hugging that Vodka bottle of yours?

    When writing your Russian superhero propaganda, are you at least sober, or hugging that Vodka bottle of yours?

    L.K., I’m Russian, born in USSR and living in Russian Federation. Do I peddle “Russian superhero propaganda” too? Am I also “hugging bottle vodka”? Do you really want to go down the path of using ethnic stereotypes and insults as the debate tactic?

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    • Replies: @L.K
    Listen, Lyttenburgh,

    Was I talking to you? Is your name "SmoothieXwhatever"?

    No, right? So relax, man. I have nothing at all against Russians, in fact I have written posts here at Unz exposing anti-Russia propagandists, such as 'quatermaster'.

    I do not like liars though, intellectually dishonest cunts, such as this smoothie guy. It just so happens that this one is Russian.

    Take care
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  • “…The possibilities of an Iranian withdrawal from Syria would be increased, however, if the Assad regime agreed to shed its Iranian ally and other Shia militia allies in exchange for reduced pressures from Washington and even a new pragmatic arrangement with Israel…”

    My question is who would be stupid enough to trust Israel and the US, as the US is just a proxy for Israel presently? When the Jews have cut off your support that’s when they really start killing you. Before they they are all sweet talk. Qaddafi found this out the hard way.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    On point.
    Meanwhile, the UK has rediscovered that Syria is a democracy: http://www.voltairenet.org/article195074.html
    The article gives a nice black eye to the prostituting Philip Hammond
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  • @L.K
    In recent history, Iran has been a victim of imperialist powers, mainly England, Russia and ZUSA.
    Most people just do not know this history.
    Read:
    "Iran as a Twentieth Century Victim: 1900 Through the Aftermath of World War II"
    By Dr.Stephen J. Sniegoski, who has had articles posted here at Unz.

    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/iran-as-a-twentieth-century-victim-1900-through-the-aftermath-of-world-war-ii/
    A few bits from it:

    "During the nineteenth century, Russia and Britain competed for power and influence in Central Asia, in what was known as the Great Game. Needless to say, it was neither great nor a game for those countries, such as Iran, which were treated like pawns on a chessboard by the two great powers. By the turn of the twentieth century, Russia had come to dominate the northern part of Iran while Britain dominated the south.[...]
    As bad as it was for Iran at the beginning of the twentieth century, things would become infinitely worse during World War I. Hoping to avoid entanglement in the war, Iran declared its neutrality on November 1, 1914. (The British and Russians had entered the war against Germany and Austria two months earlier.) Nevertheless, the country became a battleground between Russia and Britain (who were allies), and Turkey (a German ally) and its local Muslim supporters."
     
    Iran would again be invaded and occupied in WWII, by the Brits and the Soviets.

    I believe Iran's weariness of West and East is well justified.

    I believe Iran’s weariness of West and East is well justified.

    It certainly is.

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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    BTw, why have you dodged this?
     
    Again, in order for me to communicate with you, you have to decide who am I:

    such an honest military “analyst” you are, sir.
     
    Sir, or

    stupid idiot
     
    I want to reiterate, your understanding of military is that of schoolboy who spent time learning about it in mom's basement. Now, if you do not understand that those abbreviations I use are (mostly) universally accepted US military convention (the forum is, largely, American) and if you do not know what Main Operational Directorate of General Staff (GOU GSh) is or what Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance stand for--it is your problems, not mine. We already played this game--I gave enough info about my background and professional military pedigree, I can repeat it. Now, until you at least present here part of your cowardly persona from the point of view of your any even remotely professional status, expect to be humiliated, which I will continue to do with a great pleasure;-) It is really easy. Now, about Afghanistan and Chechnya--read for starters General Troshev's memoirs, then, maybe, we'll talk. Per Afghanistan, I repeat, again, read Colonel Lester Grau. You do not even posses a minimal numbers of reference points to pass any coherent opinion on both issues. You are hysterical Russophobe, as I already stated, and it betrays in you (I was mistaken assuming once you being a Pole) either a disgruntled emasculated German boy with huge inferiority complex or, possibly...well, describe yourself even briefly.

    Judging by the amount of Russophobia and ignorance augmented by typical ‘chutzpah’ displayed by L.K., methinks that only one conclusion imposes itself. ‘Pole’ speaking a German dialect called Yiddish.

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    That certainly could be the case and the doggedness with which he tries to avoid even mentioning his cultural background opens the possibility of him being a Hasbara-type.
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  • @Rurik

    As one al-Nusra commander said: “We are one part of al-Qaeda…The Americans are on our side.”
     
    I sent this link to a liberal Democrat who tells me the Syrian conflict is due to global warming, (I kid you not)

    and he's not retarded! He's actually an intelligent fellow, and yet that's the level of mindless idiocy when it comes to the American narrative (ubiquitous lies) vis-a-vis these serial atrocities/wars.

    anyways, thanks for the link, as always annamaria

    “I sent this link to a liberal Democrat who tells me the Syrian conflict is due to global warming, (I kid you not)”

    Rurik, I know you’re not kidding, because I’m familiar with this stupidity.

    Let me tell you who is one of the, if not THE promoter of this global warming myth. It’s that famous R2P limited-hangout lefty gatekeeper Phyllis Bennis. All the ‘progressive’ groups get her for their guest speaker. They know zilch about Syria, so when she hurls names and places at them rapid-fire, they’re so wowed by her superior knowledge that they take it as gospel.

    Phyllis paints a complex picture of multiple wars, sectarian, proxy, etc., (she lists about 20) to get everyone’s head spinning. Then she trots out a bad drought, farmers migrating to cities, and voila – insurrection. The SJW’s lap it up. Mention ZUSA’s schemes for regime-change going back to the 1990′s? Not Phyllis.

    For an excellent debunking of the global warming/drought nonsense (and other crap memes) use this Stephen Gowans article. (He has a book out now, too.)

    https://gowans.wordpress.com/2016/10/22/the-revolutionary-distemper-in-syria-that-wasnt/?blogsub=confirming#subscribe-blog

    The Revolutionary Distemper in Syria That Wasn’t

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  • @L.K
    Ok, more blah, blah, and more DODGING. Pathetic.

    smoothie, aka, sad little liar: "You are hysterical Russophobe".

    Nope, not even close, but that does not mean that I accept LIES by cheap Russian liars/propagandists such as yourself.

    You have humiliated me?? Only in your imagination. So far you've only dodged points put to you and lied, as usual.

    In our former encounter - discussing WWII and the red army - I spanked your ass pretty good and showed you to be a bald-faced liar. I remember you became quite hysterical about it too.

    Remember when you tried to falsify Soviet and German casualty figures to make the red army look better? And I then even scanned and posted Gen.Krivosheev's figures concerning red army KIA? And you had a lot of egg on your Pinocchio face, but even after that you continued to obstinately lie about it? Remember this? https://justpaste.it/Krivosheev
    :-)
    Remember that quote from Colonel D.Glantz, so often cited by you, as long as it serves your cheap propaganda purposes?

    "By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht."
     
    Which is to say Glantz has figured out that real Soviet losses were actually quite a bit higher than Krivosheev's figures, which, of course, are much higher already than that of the Germans.
    Remember how you ran alway from that? lol
    Glantz explains in appendix E of 'Zhukov's Greatest Defeat' that Krivosheev and his research team were doing the best they could but that the red army personnel accounting procedures were poor.
    You even had the nerve to lie about the accuracy of the German military records, always without providing an iota of evidence.
    Remember how you dodged and lied about all that and so much more, Mr.sad little Liar?
    I do. It was fun!

    You are a joke! Who are you trying to impress? tsc, tsc, go back to that bottle of Vodka now.

    In 2017…The Nazis and their enabler, the homosexual Kenyan Foriegner Barack The Magnificent, have exterminated several thousand Christian Russians in the Eastern Ukraine….in the name of homosexual-pedophile-Comet Pizza Rights!!!

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  • @L.K
    Really?
    Post your best evidence that 9-11 was planned and executed by OBL and those 19 Arab hijackers.

    Or are you just gonna dodge this one too?

    You should take your great 9/11 Truther scientific discovery to the MIT Physics and Engineering departments…give a seminar on 9/11 Truther physics…

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  • @bunga
    However, as this author has previously written, one must return to the 1920’s to fully appreciate the origins of this informal and indirect alliance between Saudi Arabia and the Zionist entity. An illuminating study by Dr. Askar H. al-Enazy, titled, The Creation of Saudi Arabia: Ibn Saud and British Imperial Policy, 1914-1927, has further and uniquely provided any student of British Imperialism primary sourced evidence on the origins of this alliance. This study by Dr. Enazy influences the following piece. The defeat of the Ottoman Empire by British imperialism in World War One, left three distinct authorities in the Arabian peninsula: Sharif of Hijaz: Hussain bin Ali of Hijaz (in the west), Ibn Rashid of Ha’il (in the north) and Emir Ibn Saud of Najd (in the east) and his religiously fanatical followers, the Wahhabis.

    Ibn Saud had entered the war early in January 1915 on the side of the British, but was quickly defeated and his British handler, William Shakespear was killed by the Ottoman Empire’s ally Ibn Rashid. This defeat greatly hampered Ibn Saud’s utility to the Empir
    - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/zionism-kingdom-arabia/#sthash.FrUTwuQm.dpuf


    S Arab has deep connections to the Empire (UK later US) It has also until now maintained close relation but covert , now it is more open, with Israel from its origin. One of the
    reason Saudi Arab came into being as due to its acceptance of Zionist world view and entity

    Now Saudi pays Israel to do its lobbying in US because otehr lobbyist are not that productive

    Its a country that is corrupt to the core More corrupt one is more one needs God on its side

    Hey Bunga,

    Great post and thanks for the link.

    In 2013, Israeli media interviewed Michael Oren, the Israeli ambassador to the United States, lifting any doubts about who really wants Assad to go, plus revealing how Israel was working with the Gulf States:

    “The initial message about the Syrian issue was that we always wanted [President] Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran,” he said.
    This was the case, he said, even if the other “bad guys” were affiliated to al-Qaida.

    “We understand that they are pretty bad guys,” he said, adding that this designation did not apply to everyone in the Syrian opposition. “Still, the greatest danger to Israel is by the strategic arc that extends from Tehran, to Damascus to Beirut. And we saw the Assad regime as the keystone in that arc. That is a position we had well before the outbreak of hostilities in Syria. With the outbreak of hostilities we continued to want Assad to go.”
    [...]
    On other issues, Oren – who has contact in Washington with some ambassadors from Persian Gulf countries – said that that “in the last 64 years there has probably never been a greater confluence of interest between us and several Gulf States. With these Gulf States we have agreements on Syria, on Egypt, on the Palestinian issue. We certainly have agreements on Iran. This is one of those opportunities presented by the Arab Spring.”

    Isn’t that last line interesting? hmm…

    http://www.jpost.com/Syria-Crisis/Oren-Jerusalem-has-wanted-Assad-ousted-since-the-outbreak-of-the-Syrian-civil-war-326328

    Of course that those Al-Ciada ‘bad’ guys are not really bad guys at all, from Israels POV.

    Anyone’s noticed how the various Wahhabi/Salafi gangs, Nusra & ISIS included, have never attacked Israel, only its enemies?

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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    Well, OBL had nothing to do with 9/11.
     
    Dude, your visit to psychiatrist is long overdue. You post delirium (or rather horseshit) in such quantities that one has to question your mental health.

    Really?
    Post your best evidence that 9-11 was planned and executed by OBL and those 19 Arab hijackers.

    Or are you just gonna dodge this one too?

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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    BTw, why have you dodged this?
     
    Again, in order for me to communicate with you, you have to decide who am I:

    such an honest military “analyst” you are, sir.
     
    Sir, or

    stupid idiot
     
    I want to reiterate, your understanding of military is that of schoolboy who spent time learning about it in mom's basement. Now, if you do not understand that those abbreviations I use are (mostly) universally accepted US military convention (the forum is, largely, American) and if you do not know what Main Operational Directorate of General Staff (GOU GSh) is or what Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance stand for--it is your problems, not mine. We already played this game--I gave enough info about my background and professional military pedigree, I can repeat it. Now, until you at least present here part of your cowardly persona from the point of view of your any even remotely professional status, expect to be humiliated, which I will continue to do with a great pleasure;-) It is really easy. Now, about Afghanistan and Chechnya--read for starters General Troshev's memoirs, then, maybe, we'll talk. Per Afghanistan, I repeat, again, read Colonel Lester Grau. You do not even posses a minimal numbers of reference points to pass any coherent opinion on both issues. You are hysterical Russophobe, as I already stated, and it betrays in you (I was mistaken assuming once you being a Pole) either a disgruntled emasculated German boy with huge inferiority complex or, possibly...well, describe yourself even briefly.

    Ok, more blah, blah, and more DODGING. Pathetic.

    smoothie, aka, sad little liar: “You are hysterical Russophobe”.

    Nope, not even close, but that does not mean that I accept LIES by cheap Russian liars/propagandists such as yourself.

    You have humiliated me?? Only in your imagination. So far you’ve only dodged points put to you and lied, as usual.

    In our former encounter – discussing WWII and the red army – I spanked your ass pretty good and showed you to be a bald-faced liar. I remember you became quite hysterical about it too.

    Remember when you tried to falsify Soviet and German casualty figures to make the red army look better? And I then even scanned and posted Gen.Krivosheev’s figures concerning red army KIA? And you had a lot of egg on your Pinocchio face, but even after that you continued to obstinately lie about it? Remember this? https://justpaste.it/Krivosheev
    :-)
    Remember that quote from Colonel D.Glantz, so often cited by you, as long as it serves your cheap propaganda purposes?

    “By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht.”

    Which is to say Glantz has figured out that real Soviet losses were actually quite a bit higher than Krivosheev’s figures, which, of course, are much higher already than that of the Germans.
    Remember how you ran alway from that? lol
    Glantz explains in appendix E of ‘Zhukov’s Greatest Defeat’ that Krivosheev and his research team were doing the best they could but that the red army personnel accounting procedures were poor.
    You even had the nerve to lie about the accuracy of the German military records, always without providing an iota of evidence.
    Remember how you dodged and lied about all that and so much more, Mr.sad little Liar?
    I do. It was fun!

    You are a joke! Who are you trying to impress? tsc, tsc, go back to that bottle of Vodka now.

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  • @RobinG

    "....they’re trying to destroy those nations and people... ...who mentally and culturally function above the level of the stone age."
     
    Rurik, the Syrian clergy in this video agree with you -
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUyvO_wtkyQ
    Tulsi Gabbard Returns From Syria with Renewed Calls: End Regime Change War in Syria

    If Trump has really given Pentagon 90 days to study "safe zones" as KA linked above, then that's our window to push back the neocon, Ziocon, and R2P butchers.
    Tulsi is leading the way with the STOP ARMING TERRORISTS ACT,
    H.R.608 - To prohibit the use of United States Government funds to provide assistance to Al Qaeda, Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) and to countries supporting those organizations, and for other purposes.

    This Press Release details the "secret trip" to Syria:
    https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/congresswoman-tulsi-gabbard-returns-syria-renewed-calls-end-regime-change-war

    the scenes of destruction at 3:30 are heart wrenching Robin, especially since it was my government, (acting on behalf of the zio-fiend- as usual), that has wrought not just all those horrors, but so many more all across that region.

    I try never to allow hate to creep into my soul, but at times I do feel hatred at the sheer magnitude of pure evil that my government has visited upon so many people with its zio-war mongering.

    I pray that Trump will finally put an end to it. And the zio-war pigs can all just stew in their bile. He does seem to be his own man, and I can’t for the life of me comprehend how a sane man could condone, let alone perpetrate, so much death and misery and suffering. You’d have to be a monster to do such things.

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  • Thierry Meyssan: http://www.voltairenet.org/article195017.html
    “The millions of people who demonstrated against President Donald Trump were right to howl their fear. Not that the new inhabitant of the White House is a misogynist, a racist and a homophobe – which he is not – but because we are approaching a moment when the knots will be untied. It is more than probable that the usurped Power structure will not allow itself to be unravelled without reacting. This confrontation will not take place in the Middle East this time, but in the West, and particularly in the United States.”

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  • @annamaria
    Calling spade a spade:
    "... the Obama administration has finally come clean about its goals in Syria. In the battle to overthrow Bashar al-Assad, it is siding with Al Qaeda…[R]ather than protesting what is in fact a joint U.S.-Al Qaeda assault, the Beltway crowd is either maintaining a discreet silence or boldy hailing Al Nusra’s impending victory as ‘the best thing that could happen in a Middle East in crisis.’” You read that right. As one al-Nusra commander said: “We are one part of al-Qaeda…The Americans are on our side.”
    More:
    "...a pledge to use American planes to shoot down Syrian planes in Syrian airspace ... the United States, under President Obama, effectively declared war on Syria. Syria was now under explicit attack by the armed forces of two states—the U.S. and its NATO ally Turkey—along with a panoply of jihadi proxy armies supported by at least four other states – Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, and Israel."
    As a consequence:
    "...in September, 2016, Russia accepted the Syrian government’s official request for military help to resist the multinational jihadi-cum-Western-air-power-and-special-forces onslaught.... just saying No!.. Putin earned the lasting enmity of America’s deep-state neocons... The Russians and the rest of the world now know how destructive the American project of regime change via jihadi proxies is, having seen its results in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria. Only deluded and arrogant American exceptionalists—conservative militarists and liberal humanitarian interventionists alike—haven’t learned that lesson... As Bricmont also points out, “just about everything that the United States is doing everywhere in the world” violates...the fundamental structure of international law."
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/26/game-change-syria-interrupted/

    As one al-Nusra commander said: “We are one part of al-Qaeda…The Americans are on our side.”

    I sent this link to a liberal Democrat who tells me the Syrian conflict is due to global warming, (I kid you not)

    and he’s not retarded! He’s actually an intelligent fellow, and yet that’s the level of mindless idiocy when it comes to the American narrative (ubiquitous lies) vis-a-vis these serial atrocities/wars.

    anyways, thanks for the link, as always annamaria

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    "I sent this link to a liberal Democrat who tells me the Syrian conflict is due to global warming, (I kid you not)"
     
    Rurik, I know you're not kidding, because I'm familiar with this stupidity.

    Let me tell you who is one of the, if not THE promoter of this global warming myth. It's that famous R2P limited-hangout lefty gatekeeper Phyllis Bennis. All the 'progressive' groups get her for their guest speaker. They know zilch about Syria, so when she hurls names and places at them rapid-fire, they're so wowed by her superior knowledge that they take it as gospel.

    Phyllis paints a complex picture of multiple wars, sectarian, proxy, etc., (she lists about 20) to get everyone's head spinning. Then she trots out a bad drought, farmers migrating to cities, and voila - insurrection. The SJW's lap it up. Mention ZUSA's schemes for regime-change going back to the 1990's? Not Phyllis.

    For an excellent debunking of the global warming/drought nonsense (and other crap memes) use this Stephen Gowans article. (He has a book out now, too.)
    https://gowans.wordpress.com/2016/10/22/the-revolutionary-distemper-in-syria-that-wasnt/?blogsub=confirming#subscribe-blog
    The Revolutionary Distemper in Syria That Wasn’t
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  • @DaveE
    Jews have never made a secret of their "ownership" of "the promised land". That is, Palestine, Gaza, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, half of Egypt (the good half), most of Iraq and most or all of the Arabian Peninsula depending on who you ask.

    Aw hell, let's throw in Turkey and Iran, too, just for "national security purposes".

    Nice people don't practice vile belief systems.

    Nice people don’t practice vile belief systems.

    a lot of people ask.. which came first; the psychotic, genocidal racial supremacism, or the people who invented it?

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  • @Rurik

    Right now Israel is terrified not knowing how many missiles Hezbollah has.
     
    well, there again, I really don't think Israel is 'terrified' of anyone, except insofar as they can't just slaughter them on a whim and steal their lands. Hezbollah is a definitively defensive force, and there is zero reason to expect that they'd ever aggressively attack Israel. As I'm sure you'd agree. So their 'terror' is just the angst of an imperious hegemon at not being able to put their boot on everyone's face.

    is to destroy the followers of Shia Islam
     
    'kill the best of the Gentiles'

    It sure seems to me, and I admit I'm not all that familiar with the nuances of the Middle East and the assorted tribes, but it seems to me, that they're trying to destroy those nations and people who're the most successful and sophisticated, while simultaneously funding and arming and assisting the stone age head slicers of ISIS. I don't think it's Shia vs. Sunni so much, as it's just a general agenda to destroy any Gentiles in the region who mentally and cuturally function above the level of the stone age.

    Osama bin Laden’s reason for 9/11
     
    that's another discussion altogether ;)

    cheers

    “….they’re trying to destroy those nations and people… …who mentally and culturally function above the level of the stone age.”

    Rurik, the Syrian clergy in this video agree with you -

    Tulsi Gabbard Returns From Syria with Renewed Calls: End Regime Change War in Syria

    If Trump has really given Pentagon 90 days to study “safe zones” as KA linked above, then that’s our window to push back the neocon, Ziocon, and R2P butchers.
    Tulsi is leading the way with the STOP ARMING TERRORISTS ACT,
    H.R.608 – To prohibit the use of United States Government funds to provide assistance to Al Qaeda, Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) and to countries supporting those organizations, and for other purposes.

    This Press Release details the “secret trip” to Syria:

    https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/congresswoman-tulsi-gabbard-returns-syria-renewed-calls-end-regime-change-war

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    the scenes of destruction at 3:30 are heart wrenching Robin, especially since it was my government, (acting on behalf of the zio-fiend- as usual), that has wrought not just all those horrors, but so many more all across that region.

    I try never to allow hate to creep into my soul, but at times I do feel hatred at the sheer magnitude of pure evil that my government has visited upon so many people with its zio-war mongering.

    I pray that Trump will finally put an end to it. And the zio-war pigs can all just stew in their bile. He does seem to be his own man, and I can't for the life of me comprehend how a sane man could condone, let alone perpetrate, so much death and misery and suffering. You'd have to be a monster to do such things.
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  • @annamaria
    Calling spade a spade:
    "... the Obama administration has finally come clean about its goals in Syria. In the battle to overthrow Bashar al-Assad, it is siding with Al Qaeda…[R]ather than protesting what is in fact a joint U.S.-Al Qaeda assault, the Beltway crowd is either maintaining a discreet silence or boldy hailing Al Nusra’s impending victory as ‘the best thing that could happen in a Middle East in crisis.’” You read that right. As one al-Nusra commander said: “We are one part of al-Qaeda…The Americans are on our side.”
    More:
    "...a pledge to use American planes to shoot down Syrian planes in Syrian airspace ... the United States, under President Obama, effectively declared war on Syria. Syria was now under explicit attack by the armed forces of two states—the U.S. and its NATO ally Turkey—along with a panoply of jihadi proxy armies supported by at least four other states – Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, and Israel."
    As a consequence:
    "...in September, 2016, Russia accepted the Syrian government’s official request for military help to resist the multinational jihadi-cum-Western-air-power-and-special-forces onslaught.... just saying No!.. Putin earned the lasting enmity of America’s deep-state neocons... The Russians and the rest of the world now know how destructive the American project of regime change via jihadi proxies is, having seen its results in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria. Only deluded and arrogant American exceptionalists—conservative militarists and liberal humanitarian interventionists alike—haven’t learned that lesson... As Bricmont also points out, “just about everything that the United States is doing everywhere in the world” violates...the fundamental structure of international law."
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/26/game-change-syria-interrupted/

    in September, 2016

    2015.

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  • Wow, Mr. Lamb,

    your articles on protecticting Syria’s heritage were very good. I don’t have time to go into how stupid your article here is.

    As i write, and as you will be well aware, and mourn, ISIL forces have completed the destruction of ancient Palmyra.

    Where did they come from? Mosul.

    It is obvious that the US polity ordered the military to allow passage to this massive column, do you think that was a good idea?

    Your article is disgusting.

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  • A beautiful and intelligent woman has the true courage (unlike the pitiful he-senators and congressmen). Rep. Gabbard on Syria: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=299&v=ID223ToMVxM
    She is no “empty pot makes the loudest noise” Madonna & Steinem or the politicking Clinton.
    Tulsi Gabbard is a decent human being with principles and courage.

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  • @anon
    Yes, Protestant evangelical "bible thumpers" are more enamored of Israel, based on their worship of the magic book.
    Catholics are not typically that committed to evangelicalism, tho there was a kind of merger in the 1980s? '90s -- with movements like "Protestants and Catholics together," people like Richard John Neuhaus and the growth of Catholic radio and televangelism, modeled on Pat Robertson. So that part of Catholicdom is probably reliably pro Israel, from strictly mushy sentiment pov.

    imo Catholics are far more ignorant of geopolitics involving Israel. They are stupid and uncurious and pusillanimous.

    But the biggest problem, the reason I say Catholics are "especially" implicated in Israel firsterism is that Catholicism is an ancient and extensive, hierarchical global institution, and in my view, Catholic hierarchy is compromised from the Vatican -- at highest levels -- on down to cardinals and bishops. There is not a bishop or cardinal in USA that would not fellate the Israeli donkey. Certainly none has the balls to say, STOP! If Dolan had the courage of Jesus on the Mount, all he would have said in his inaugural moment was, THOU SHALT NOT KILL! Stop Killing people in other countries!

    So the institution that has the greatest heft, the greatest supposed moral authority to counter Israeli -- and USA -- aggression, not only fails to speak out but tacitly endorses US and Israeli evil doing. If the leaders are feckless, that is the model presented to Catholics in the pew.

    They may not be as noisy and obnoxious as Hagee creatures, but their lukewarmness & ignorance, and cultural importance, makes their milque-toastiness that much more dangerous.

    It seems clear you are woefully misinformed about the Church vis-a-vis the phony state of Israel. When Herzl came to Pope St Pius X to get a papal blessing on the Zionist project, here is the answer he got:

    “We are unable to favor this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem — but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore, we cannot recognize the Jewish people.’ “

    It is true that the Modernists who have been infesting the Church for the past 90+ years have tried to reverse everything the Church stood for for 2,000 years regarding the Jewish people. John Paul II was perhaps the worst in this regard. He was pressured into acknowledging the “state” of Israel. You need to differentiate between them and the long tradition of the Church concerning the Jews.

    http://catholicism.org/the-zionist-and-the-saint.html

    http://theeye-witness.blogspot.com/2013/10/jean-madiran-romes-other-secret-accord.html

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    the past 90+ years have tried to reverse everything the Church stood for for 2,000 years regarding the Jewish people.
     
    90 years is a long time. A great deal has changed. Zionists engineered the destruction of the center of Christendom in Europe, namely, Germany. In the place of Jesus on the Cross and his Resurrection, Jews have elevated themselves as history's perpetual victims and 'survivors.'

    John Paul II was perhaps the worst in this regard. He was pressured into acknowledging the “state” of Israel.
     
    Vatican II , rather, the Jewish distortion and re-interpretation of Nostra Aetate in 1965

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc4zhrG_x4I

    You need to differentiate between them and the long tradition of the Church concerning the Jews.
     
    Very true perspective to maintain, while remaining cognizant that we live in the present day, and, while the God of History will, by definition, prevail over the minds of men who "create their own reality," that God of History carries out his will through us, human hands, arms and minds, in this day.
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  • @KA
    "destroy the followers of Shia Islam. From Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, and throughout the Arab world the Talibans, the Al-Qaeda and its off shoots, and ISIS have been killing Shias. Al-Qaeda and ISIS’ slogan is , “better to kill one Shia than kill ten Israelis.”

    Very important observation but don't stop there . It is the war by deception at some level Israel did not create ISIS but it paved the way for it When Iraq was invaded 2 scenario were possible - total dominance by US-UK or a quagmire at military ,social,political level Both would give Israel what it wants Later by creating the opportunity of looking for sects groups tribes who now displaced powerless poor exploited and abused - those now could be rallied under flag of religion . ISIS the result . Michael Ledeen Perle, Krauthahammer FOX news Wolfowitz and Feith - all have ignored ,anticipated and desired the chaos and had welcomed it with abandon .


    Islam like Christianity is slowly being eroded by Zionism. How many blood baths erupted in Europe before 1950? Who were behind it ? Even after that Christianity did not get a rest ,did not escape slow moral destruction. Now is the time for Islam. Thee is a reason Saudi Arab- the most corrupt most regressive most barbarous is surviving, is a reason Israel is friend of S Arab.

    However, as this author has previously written, one must return to the 1920’s to fully appreciate the origins of this informal and indirect alliance between Saudi Arabia and the Zionist entity. An illuminating study by Dr. Askar H. al-Enazy, titled, The Creation of Saudi Arabia: Ibn Saud and British Imperial Policy, 1914-1927, has further and uniquely provided any student of British Imperialism primary sourced evidence on the origins of this alliance. This study by Dr. Enazy influences the following piece. The defeat of the Ottoman Empire by British imperialism in World War One, left three distinct authorities in the Arabian peninsula: Sharif of Hijaz: Hussain bin Ali of Hijaz (in the west), Ibn Rashid of Ha’il (in the north) and Emir Ibn Saud of Najd (in the east) and his religiously fanatical followers, the Wahhabis.

    Ibn Saud had entered the war early in January 1915 on the side of the British, but was quickly defeated and his British handler, William Shakespear was killed by the Ottoman Empire’s ally Ibn Rashid. This defeat greatly hampered Ibn Saud’s utility to the Empir
    - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/zionism-kingdom-arabia/#sthash.FrUTwuQm.dpuf

    S Arab has deep connections to the Empire (UK later US) It has also until now maintained close relation but covert , now it is more open, with Israel from its origin. One of the
    reason Saudi Arab came into being as due to its acceptance of Zionist world view and entity

    Now Saudi pays Israel to do its lobbying in US because otehr lobbyist are not that productive

    Its a country that is corrupt to the core More corrupt one is more one needs God on its side

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    Hey Bunga,

    Great post and thanks for the link.

    In 2013, Israeli media interviewed Michael Oren, the Israeli ambassador to the United States, lifting any doubts about who really wants Assad to go, plus revealing how Israel was working with the Gulf States:

    “The initial message about the Syrian issue was that we always wanted [President] Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran,” he said.
    This was the case, he said, even if the other “bad guys” were affiliated to al-Qaida.

    “We understand that they are pretty bad guys,” he said, adding that this designation did not apply to everyone in the Syrian opposition. “Still, the greatest danger to Israel is by the strategic arc that extends from Tehran, to Damascus to Beirut. And we saw the Assad regime as the keystone in that arc. That is a position we had well before the outbreak of hostilities in Syria. With the outbreak of hostilities we continued to want Assad to go.”
    [...]
    On other issues, Oren – who has contact in Washington with some ambassadors from Persian Gulf countries – said that that “in the last 64 years there has probably never been a greater confluence of interest between us and several Gulf States. With these Gulf States we have agreements on Syria, on Egypt, on the Palestinian issue. We certainly have agreements on Iran. This is one of those opportunities presented by the Arab Spring.”
     
    Isn't that last line interesting? hmm...
    http://www.jpost.com/Syria-Crisis/Oren-Jerusalem-has-wanted-Assad-ousted-since-the-outbreak-of-the-Syrian-civil-war-326328

    Of course that those Al-Ciada 'bad' guys are not really bad guys at all, from Israels POV.

    Anyone's noticed how the various Wahhabi/Salafi gangs, Nusra & ISIS included, have never attacked Israel, only its enemies?
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  • Calling spade a spade:
    “… the Obama administration has finally come clean about its goals in Syria. In the battle to overthrow Bashar al-Assad, it is siding with Al Qaeda…[R]ather than protesting what is in fact a joint U.S.-Al Qaeda assault, the Beltway crowd is either maintaining a discreet silence or boldy hailing Al Nusra’s impending victory as ‘the best thing that could happen in a Middle East in crisis.’” You read that right. As one al-Nusra commander said: “We are one part of al-Qaeda…The Americans are on our side.”
    More:
    “…a pledge to use American planes to shoot down Syrian planes in Syrian airspace … the United States, under President Obama, effectively declared war on Syria. Syria was now under explicit attack by the armed forces of two states—the U.S. and its NATO ally Turkey—along with a panoply of jihadi proxy armies supported by at least four other states – Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, and Israel.”
    As a consequence:
    “…in September, 2016, Russia accepted the Syrian government’s official request for military help to resist the multinational jihadi-cum-Western-air-power-and-special-forces onslaught…. just saying No!.. Putin earned the lasting enmity of America’s deep-state neocons… The Russians and the rest of the world now know how destructive the American project of regime change via jihadi proxies is, having seen its results in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria. Only deluded and arrogant American exceptionalists—conservative militarists and liberal humanitarian interventionists alike—haven’t learned that lesson… As Bricmont also points out, “just about everything that the United States is doing everywhere in the world” violates…the fundamental structure of international law.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/26/game-change-syria-interrupted/

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    in September, 2016
     
    2015.
    , @Rurik

    As one al-Nusra commander said: “We are one part of al-Qaeda…The Americans are on our side.”
     
    I sent this link to a liberal Democrat who tells me the Syrian conflict is due to global warming, (I kid you not)

    and he's not retarded! He's actually an intelligent fellow, and yet that's the level of mindless idiocy when it comes to the American narrative (ubiquitous lies) vis-a-vis these serial atrocities/wars.

    anyways, thanks for the link, as always annamaria
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  • @L.K
    Hey Rurik,

    well, there again, I really don’t think Israel is ‘terrified’ of anyone, except insofar as they can’t just slaughter them on a whim and steal their lands. Hezbollah is a definitively defensive force, and there is zero reason to expect that they’d ever aggressively attack Israel. As I’m sure you’d agree. So their ‘terror’ is just the angst of an imperious hegemon at not being able to put their boot on everyone’s face.
     
    Yep, that is basically it.

    MEexpert:
    "Osama bin Laden’s reason for 9/11"

    Well, OBL had nothing to do with 9/11.

    Well, OBL had nothing to do with 9/11.

    Dude, your visit to psychiatrist is long overdue. You post delirium (or rather horseshit) in such quantities that one has to question your mental health.

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    Really?
    Post your best evidence that 9-11 was planned and executed by OBL and those 19 Arab hijackers.

    Or are you just gonna dodge this one too?
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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    BTw, why have you dodged this?

    Again, in order for me to communicate with you, you have to decide who am I:

    such an honest military “analyst” you are, sir.

    Sir, or

    stupid idiot

    I want to reiterate, your understanding of military is that of schoolboy who spent time learning about it in mom’s basement. Now, if you do not understand that those abbreviations I use are (mostly) universally accepted US military convention (the forum is, largely, American) and if you do not know what Main Operational Directorate of General Staff (GOU GSh) is or what Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance stand for–it is your problems, not mine. We already played this game–I gave enough info about my background and professional military pedigree, I can repeat it. Now, until you at least present here part of your cowardly persona from the point of view of your any even remotely professional status, expect to be humiliated, which I will continue to do with a great pleasure;-) It is really easy. Now, about Afghanistan and Chechnya–read for starters General Troshev’s memoirs, then, maybe, we’ll talk. Per Afghanistan, I repeat, again, read Colonel Lester Grau. You do not even posses a minimal numbers of reference points to pass any coherent opinion on both issues. You are hysterical Russophobe, as I already stated, and it betrays in you (I was mistaken assuming once you being a Pole) either a disgruntled emasculated German boy with huge inferiority complex or, possibly…well, describe yourself even briefly.

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    Ok, more blah, blah, and more DODGING. Pathetic.

    smoothie, aka, sad little liar: "You are hysterical Russophobe".

    Nope, not even close, but that does not mean that I accept LIES by cheap Russian liars/propagandists such as yourself.

    You have humiliated me?? Only in your imagination. So far you've only dodged points put to you and lied, as usual.

    In our former encounter - discussing WWII and the red army - I spanked your ass pretty good and showed you to be a bald-faced liar. I remember you became quite hysterical about it too.

    Remember when you tried to falsify Soviet and German casualty figures to make the red army look better? And I then even scanned and posted Gen.Krivosheev's figures concerning red army KIA? And you had a lot of egg on your Pinocchio face, but even after that you continued to obstinately lie about it? Remember this? https://justpaste.it/Krivosheev
    :-)
    Remember that quote from Colonel D.Glantz, so often cited by you, as long as it serves your cheap propaganda purposes?

    "By 1942, after Leningrad and Moscow, Stalin and Marshal Georgi Zhukov think alike. They understand that even if you have to ruthlessly expend manpower, resistance will wear down a numerically weaker opponent. That tactic cost probably 14 million military dead—the price of defeating a more experienced, battle-worthy, savvy Wehrmacht."
     
    Which is to say Glantz has figured out that real Soviet losses were actually quite a bit higher than Krivosheev's figures, which, of course, are much higher already than that of the Germans.
    Remember how you ran alway from that? lol
    Glantz explains in appendix E of 'Zhukov's Greatest Defeat' that Krivosheev and his research team were doing the best they could but that the red army personnel accounting procedures were poor.
    You even had the nerve to lie about the accuracy of the German military records, always without providing an iota of evidence.
    Remember how you dodged and lied about all that and so much more, Mr.sad little Liar?
    I do. It was fun!

    You are a joke! Who are you trying to impress? tsc, tsc, go back to that bottle of Vodka now.
    , @Seraphim
    Judging by the amount of Russophobia and ignorance augmented by typical 'chutzpah' displayed by L.K., methinks that only one conclusion imposes itself. 'Pole' speaking a German dialect called Yiddish.
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  • @Rurik
    enjoying the commentary, and agree with what you write, I'd only take issue with this statement

    He just wants Iran weaken to the point where it is no longer a threat to Israel.
     
    I don't believe that Iraq or Libya or Syria or Iran were or are a threat to Israel. The Zio-fiend isn't destroying these countries to remove threats to nuclear and American armed Israel, rather they're destroying them in order to destroy them. To send the people reeling into a dystopian hell on earth, and cause as much suffering and misery as they're capable of, for its own sake.

    And so that once these nations have ceased being intact, sovereign nations, they'll better be able to steal their land and lord if over them, and dominate them and pump Hollywood type spiritual sewage into their children and create zombie consumers out of them, much like they have the American public.

    What it's about is the raw exercise of power, for the sake of it. To dominate and destroy for the pleasure it gives them to dominate and destroy. Not because Iran or Syria or Libya or Iraq were any kind of military or economic threat, except insofar as they were able to lead relatively pleasant lives and thrive in their own countries.

    This drives the Zionists insane. They're a unique breed, and they're motivated by an imperative to see others suffer at their hands.

    ~ just felt the need to point out that none of these countries, and certainly not Iran, are any kind of threat that Israel needs to quash. They're doing it because they always have to be dominating and controlling and imposing themselves upon others. It's what they do.

    Jews have never made a secret of their “ownership” of “the promised land”. That is, Palestine, Gaza, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, half of Egypt (the good half), most of Iraq and most or all of the Arabian Peninsula depending on who you ask.

    Aw hell, let’s throw in Turkey and Iran, too, just for “national security purposes”.

    Nice people don’t practice vile belief systems.

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    Nice people don’t practice vile belief systems.
     
    a lot of people ask.. which came first; the psychotic, genocidal racial supremacism, or the people who invented it?
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  • @Rurik

    Right now Israel is terrified not knowing how many missiles Hezbollah has.
     
    well, there again, I really don't think Israel is 'terrified' of anyone, except insofar as they can't just slaughter them on a whim and steal their lands. Hezbollah is a definitively defensive force, and there is zero reason to expect that they'd ever aggressively attack Israel. As I'm sure you'd agree. So their 'terror' is just the angst of an imperious hegemon at not being able to put their boot on everyone's face.

    is to destroy the followers of Shia Islam
     
    'kill the best of the Gentiles'

    It sure seems to me, and I admit I'm not all that familiar with the nuances of the Middle East and the assorted tribes, but it seems to me, that they're trying to destroy those nations and people who're the most successful and sophisticated, while simultaneously funding and arming and assisting the stone age head slicers of ISIS. I don't think it's Shia vs. Sunni so much, as it's just a general agenda to destroy any Gentiles in the region who mentally and cuturally function above the level of the stone age.

    Osama bin Laden’s reason for 9/11
     
    that's another discussion altogether ;)

    cheers

    Hey Rurik,

    well, there again, I really don’t think Israel is ‘terrified’ of anyone, except insofar as they can’t just slaughter them on a whim and steal their lands. Hezbollah is a definitively defensive force, and there is zero reason to expect that they’d ever aggressively attack Israel. As I’m sure you’d agree. So their ‘terror’ is just the angst of an imperious hegemon at not being able to put their boot on everyone’s face.

    Yep, that is basically it.

    MEexpert:
    “Osama bin Laden’s reason for 9/11″

    Well, OBL had nothing to do with 9/11.

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    Well, OBL had nothing to do with 9/11.
     
    Dude, your visit to psychiatrist is long overdue. You post delirium (or rather horseshit) in such quantities that one has to question your mental health.
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  • @Seamus Padraig
    Except that, while they may both share some interest in preserving Syria, Russia and Iran are not really allies in any meaningful sense. Not only did the Persian Kingdom and the Russian Empire feud for centuries over control of Central Asia, but Iran's Islamic Revolution in 1979 deemed the USSR just as imperialistic as the US. "Neither East nor West," was Khomeini's slogan. He even once sent Gorbachev an open letter--with a rather condescending tone--suggesting that Gorby should look into to converting to Islam! And then, as recently as a few years ago, Russia voted along with the US to sanction Iran over their non-existent bomb. That royally pissed off Tehran.

    Mind you, I'm not saying that there's no chance that Russia and Iran may yet become allies; I'm just saying that they haven't really been so up until now, and that it's also possible they may never really become allies at all.

    In recent history, Iran has been a victim of imperialist powers, mainly England, Russia and ZUSA.
    Most people just do not know this history.
    Read:
    “Iran as a Twentieth Century Victim: 1900 Through the Aftermath of World War II”
    By Dr.Stephen J. Sniegoski, who has had articles posted here at Unz.

    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/iran-as-a-twentieth-century-victim-1900-through-the-aftermath-of-world-war-ii/

    A few bits from it:

    “During the nineteenth century, Russia and Britain competed for power and influence in Central Asia, in what was known as the Great Game. Needless to say, it was neither great nor a game for those countries, such as Iran, which were treated like pawns on a chessboard by the two great powers. By the turn of the twentieth century, Russia had come to dominate the northern part of Iran while Britain dominated the south.[...]
    As bad as it was for Iran at the beginning of the twentieth century, things would become infinitely worse during World War I. Hoping to avoid entanglement in the war, Iran declared its neutrality on November 1, 1914. (The British and Russians had entered the war against Germany and Austria two months earlier.) Nevertheless, the country became a battleground between Russia and Britain (who were allies), and Turkey (a German ally) and its local Muslim supporters.”

    Iran would again be invaded and occupied in WWII, by the Brits and the Soviets.

    I believe Iran’s weariness of West and East is well justified.

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    I believe Iran’s weariness of West and East is well justified.
     
    It certainly is.
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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    You stupid idiot. The war started in 2011, fool, Russian intervention began in September 2015.
     
    I think you really demonstrated your level, now get down to your mother's basement and try not to get off your meds, schoolboy.

    So, as usual, you have nothing, ZERO.
    You are at your most pathetic when you start throwing some military acronyms and parlance to make yourself sound important.
    Or when you start whining about how you went to such and such military academy, bla, blah.
    None of that matters when the problem is simply that you are intellectually dishonest, a bloody liar really.

    BTw, why have you dodged this?

    “The Soviet Union was a superpower and had great difficulties fighting the ZUSA backed jihadists in Afghanistan in the 80s.
    Russia suffered even worse later, when facing the fierce Chechens in the Caucasus.”

    Yet Syria, a modest country with a modest military was supposed to easily defeat a ZUSA jihad operation larger than the one in Afghanistan… such an honest military “analyst” you are, sir.

    When writing your Russian superhero propaganda, are you at least sober, or hugging that Vodka bottle of yours?

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    When writing your Russian superhero propaganda, are you at least sober, or hugging that Vodka bottle of yours?
     
    L.K., I'm Russian, born in USSR and living in Russian Federation. Do I peddle "Russian superhero propaganda" too? Am I also "hugging bottle vodka"? Do you really want to go down the path of using ethnic stereotypes and insults as the debate tactic?
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  • @Anonymous
    I do not want to take anything away from Russia, major props to Putin and the Russians for doing their part for the free world.

    But Iran is at the front lines against the Anglo Zionist empire in Syria, in Yemen, Lebanon etc etc.

    They are doing their part. They needed Russia to win, but I also doubt Russia could have achieved success in Syria without Iran's support.

    Putin would be a fool to backstab a long term ally just for some Trump handouts that will just be taken away the next election cycle.

    I do not want to take anything away from Russia, major props to Putin and the Russians for doing their part for the free world.

    Neither do I. I’m right there with you.

    They(Iran) are doing their part. They needed Russia to win, but I also doubt Russia could have achieved success in Syria without Iran’s support.

    Exactly and let’s not forget the SAA either, bc without them the whole thing would have been a lost cause, Russia, Iran, Hezb notwithstanding.

    In fact, Russia went in precisely bc it knows that it can count on strong allies on the ground to do the heavy lifting.
    Don’t expect smoothie, a pathetic sad little liar, to admit to any of it though.
    Acc to this clown, Russia basically did it all, the others just only carry water for them it seems.

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  • @MEexpert

    ~ just felt the need to point out that none of these countries, and certainly not Iran, are any kind of threat that Israel needs to quash. They’re doing it because they always have to be dominating and controlling and imposing themselves upon others. It’s what they do.
     
    I did not mean that Iran was an "existential threat" to Israel as Israel claims. Even without a powerful army Hezbollah has twice defeated and kicked Israel out of Lebanon thereby keeping her from dominating that area. Israel is more afraid of Hezbollah than Iran. Hezbollah's weapons are supplied by Iran. By weakening Iran the powers to be want to weaken Hezbollah. Right now Israel is terrified not knowing how many missiles Hezbollah has.

    As an aside I must remind the readers that main thrust of the Middle East turmoil at this time is to destroy the followers of Shia Islam. From Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, and throughout the Arab world the Talibans, the Al-Qaeda and its off shoots, and ISIS have been killing Shias. Al-Qaeda and ISIS' slogan is , "better to kill one Shia than kill ten Israelis." Osama bin Laden's reason for 9/11 was US support of Israel against Palestinians. Count the number of Israelis killed since 9/11 to the number of Shias killed in all these countries as well as in Nigeria and Indonesia. Add to this the Shias being killed in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain by the ruling families.

    Right now Israel is terrified not knowing how many missiles Hezbollah has.

    well, there again, I really don’t think Israel is ‘terrified’ of anyone, except insofar as they can’t just slaughter them on a whim and steal their lands. Hezbollah is a definitively defensive force, and there is zero reason to expect that they’d ever aggressively attack Israel. As I’m sure you’d agree. So their ‘terror’ is just the angst of an imperious hegemon at not being able to put their boot on everyone’s face.

    is to destroy the followers of Shia Islam

    ‘kill the best of the Gentiles’

    It sure seems to me, and I admit I’m not all that familiar with the nuances of the Middle East and the assorted tribes, but it seems to me, that they’re trying to destroy those nations and people who’re the most successful and sophisticated, while simultaneously funding and arming and assisting the stone age head slicers of ISIS. I don’t think it’s Shia vs. Sunni so much, as it’s just a general agenda to destroy any Gentiles in the region who mentally and cuturally function above the level of the stone age.

    Osama bin Laden’s reason for 9/11

    that’s another discussion altogether ;)

    cheers

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    Hey Rurik,

    well, there again, I really don’t think Israel is ‘terrified’ of anyone, except insofar as they can’t just slaughter them on a whim and steal their lands. Hezbollah is a definitively defensive force, and there is zero reason to expect that they’d ever aggressively attack Israel. As I’m sure you’d agree. So their ‘terror’ is just the angst of an imperious hegemon at not being able to put their boot on everyone’s face.
     
    Yep, that is basically it.

    MEexpert:
    "Osama bin Laden’s reason for 9/11"

    Well, OBL had nothing to do with 9/11.
    , @RobinG

    "....they’re trying to destroy those nations and people... ...who mentally and culturally function above the level of the stone age."
     
    Rurik, the Syrian clergy in this video agree with you -
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUyvO_wtkyQ
    Tulsi Gabbard Returns From Syria with Renewed Calls: End Regime Change War in Syria

    If Trump has really given Pentagon 90 days to study "safe zones" as KA linked above, then that's our window to push back the neocon, Ziocon, and R2P butchers.
    Tulsi is leading the way with the STOP ARMING TERRORISTS ACT,
    H.R.608 - To prohibit the use of United States Government funds to provide assistance to Al Qaeda, Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) and to countries supporting those organizations, and for other purposes.

    This Press Release details the "secret trip" to Syria:
    https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/congresswoman-tulsi-gabbard-returns-syria-renewed-calls-end-regime-change-war
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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Seamus Padraig
    Except that, while they may both share some interest in preserving Syria, Russia and Iran are not really allies in any meaningful sense. Not only did the Persian Kingdom and the Russian Empire feud for centuries over control of Central Asia, but Iran's Islamic Revolution in 1979 deemed the USSR just as imperialistic as the US. "Neither East nor West," was Khomeini's slogan. He even once sent Gorbachev an open letter--with a rather condescending tone--suggesting that Gorby should look into to converting to Islam! And then, as recently as a few years ago, Russia voted along with the US to sanction Iran over their non-existent bomb. That royally pissed off Tehran.

    Mind you, I'm not saying that there's no chance that Russia and Iran may yet become allies; I'm just saying that they haven't really been so up until now, and that it's also possible they may never really become allies at all.

    Mind you, I’m not saying that there’s no chance that Russia and Iran may yet become allies

    Russia and Iran as of now are situational “allies” in Syria. Russia and Iran may become a full fledged military allies, and even then–only temporarily, only under one condition–when the clear and present danger of invasion of Iran will exist. And even then, most likely, this will be done through structures of ODKB (Collective Security Treaty Organization), presumably Iran becoming a member. Will Iranian military agree to being taught by GOU of Russian general Staff? I don’t know. In the case of air strikes against Iran (air “war”) the algorithm will be different, I think., with Russia offering more advanced AD systems integrated with Russia’s ISR, advisers and, possibly, getting down to business of Iranian Air Force. The latter, though, is a very complex issue. In historic and cultural sense, however, Russia and Iran are not allies and, most likely, are rivals.

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  • @jacques sheete

    [Zios are]...They’re a unique breed, and they’re motivated by an imperative to see others suffer at their hands.
     
    I suspected that quite a while back, but have never heard of anyone actually describe it. It's too bad that most people would reject the idea out of hand since the concept is real. Once a person sees the behavior at close range, it's an eye opener.

    The narcissism, contempt, and sadism are quite obvious once one knows to be aware of it. One can observe varying degrees of it in most people in positions of power, even minor ones, especially if they have a few bucks. The worst, in my experience, are the offspring of the relatively wealthy. Many seem to be bored out of their minds and are thrill addicted.

    There's some sick stuff out there and most seem blissfully unaware of how degenerate it is. Too damn bad.

    Oh, and another thing. Two of the greatest Western "heroes," Churchill and FDR, fit that picture to a "T." Those cats were really sick.

    too bad that most people would reject the idea out of hand since the concept is real.

    :)

    …sadism are quite obvious once one knows to be aware of it.

    some say the reason the Zionists are so unimaginably cruel to the Palestinians is because it’s all calculated to make life literally unbearable, so that they’ll just leave, or die or something. But I think that’s just an excuse. I think they torment and humiliate those people for the fun of it. To live out their Old Testament, delusions of divine racial superiority by brutalizing the modern day Philistines and Canaanites- because that’s what they do. They’re just a sadistic, bullying people at heart, with a sadistic and cruel god. Period. They get off on it.

    There’s some sick stuff out there and most seem blissfully unaware of how degenerate it is.

    I think the whole adventure in the greater Levant is one huge sadism fest. Stone age tribal hatreds unleashed, and given expression with modern day weaponry and tech. Yet the man with his hand on the controls of the drone is still nothing more than an animal, however divine he imagines himself to be as he ‘bug-splats’ some more children.

    . Two of the greatest Western “heroes,” Churchill and FDR, fit that picture to a “T.” Those cats were really sick.

    monsters in my book

    and heralded as great statesmen because they served the Fiend very well indeed

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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @KA
    "destroy the followers of Shia Islam. From Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, and throughout the Arab world the Talibans, the Al-Qaeda and its off shoots, and ISIS have been killing Shias. Al-Qaeda and ISIS’ slogan is , “better to kill one Shia than kill ten Israelis.”

    Very important observation but don't stop there . It is the war by deception at some level Israel did not create ISIS but it paved the way for it When Iraq was invaded 2 scenario were possible - total dominance by US-UK or a quagmire at military ,social,political level Both would give Israel what it wants Later by creating the opportunity of looking for sects groups tribes who now displaced powerless poor exploited and abused - those now could be rallied under flag of religion . ISIS the result . Michael Ledeen Perle, Krauthahammer FOX news Wolfowitz and Feith - all have ignored ,anticipated and desired the chaos and had welcomed it with abandon .


    Islam like Christianity is slowly being eroded by Zionism. How many blood baths erupted in Europe before 1950? Who were behind it ? Even after that Christianity did not get a rest ,did not escape slow moral destruction. Now is the time for Islam. Thee is a reason Saudi Arab- the most corrupt most regressive most barbarous is surviving, is a reason Israel is friend of S Arab.

    Thee is a reason Saudi Arab- the most corrupt most regressive most barbarous is surviving, is a reason Israel is friend of S Arab.

    No, Saudi Arabia is a hell-hole not because of Israel but because of Wahhabi Islam. Take out Israel from the equation and KSA will remain what it is today regardless. I know there are many “Jews control the world”-fixated people here, but Islam had its issues with the world long before the state of Israel even appeared on the map.

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    Why Taliban was not embraced by US UK and numerous US allies? Why Saudi never got
    the memo despite decades of similar abusive practices? Because Saudi gave what Taliban would never -including covert deep acceptance of Zionism including the demand to oil /mineral/strategic advantages needed by US. Saudi is the best investment America could bank on to get enormous return also what Taliban couldn't provide.
    By getting the coerced and bribed approval of Saudi , America could sway the rest of the Sunni countries .
    It is like Vatican in 1980s providing religious and spiritual cover to US against the Central and Latin America and of 1950s providing same cover for US against communism in Europe.

    What does Saudi get in return? It keeps the money and power to the royal family. What does the clerics of Saudi get? The clerics are allowed to stick to the regressive form of religious practices in return of the acceptance for American demands .
    Why doesn't the progressive ( religious and secular ) raise their voices? Because they don't have western support . Why don't they have western support? Because these forces will not accept American jingoism, exploitation, stealing and American abuse or will not join anti Libyan anti Syrian anti Iranian forces and wont accept Israeli aggression and expansion.
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  • @Anonymous
    I do not want to take anything away from Russia, major props to Putin and the Russians for doing their part for the free world.

    But Iran is at the front lines against the Anglo Zionist empire in Syria, in Yemen, Lebanon etc etc.

    They are doing their part. They needed Russia to win, but I also doubt Russia could have achieved success in Syria without Iran's support.

    Putin would be a fool to backstab a long term ally just for some Trump handouts that will just be taken away the next election cycle.

    Except that, while they may both share some interest in preserving Syria, Russia and Iran are not really allies in any meaningful sense. Not only did the Persian Kingdom and the Russian Empire feud for centuries over control of Central Asia, but Iran’s Islamic Revolution in 1979 deemed the USSR just as imperialistic as the US. “Neither East nor West,” was Khomeini’s slogan. He even once sent Gorbachev an open letter–with a rather condescending tone–suggesting that Gorby should look into to converting to Islam! And then, as recently as a few years ago, Russia voted along with the US to sanction Iran over their non-existent bomb. That royally pissed off Tehran.

    Mind you, I’m not saying that there’s no chance that Russia and Iran may yet become allies; I’m just saying that they haven’t really been so up until now, and that it’s also possible they may never really become allies at all.

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    Mind you, I’m not saying that there’s no chance that Russia and Iran may yet become allies
     
    Russia and Iran as of now are situational "allies" in Syria. Russia and Iran may become a full fledged military allies, and even then--only temporarily, only under one condition--when the clear and present danger of invasion of Iran will exist. And even then, most likely, this will be done through structures of ODKB (Collective Security Treaty Organization), presumably Iran becoming a member. Will Iranian military agree to being taught by GOU of Russian general Staff? I don't know. In the case of air strikes against Iran (air "war") the algorithm will be different, I think., with Russia offering more advanced AD systems integrated with Russia's ISR, advisers and, possibly, getting down to business of Iranian Air Force. The latter, though, is a very complex issue. In historic and cultural sense, however, Russia and Iran are not allies and, most likely, are rivals.
    , @L.K
    In recent history, Iran has been a victim of imperialist powers, mainly England, Russia and ZUSA.
    Most people just do not know this history.
    Read:
    "Iran as a Twentieth Century Victim: 1900 Through the Aftermath of World War II"
    By Dr.Stephen J. Sniegoski, who has had articles posted here at Unz.

    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/iran-as-a-twentieth-century-victim-1900-through-the-aftermath-of-world-war-ii/
    A few bits from it:

    "During the nineteenth century, Russia and Britain competed for power and influence in Central Asia, in what was known as the Great Game. Needless to say, it was neither great nor a game for those countries, such as Iran, which were treated like pawns on a chessboard by the two great powers. By the turn of the twentieth century, Russia had come to dominate the northern part of Iran while Britain dominated the south.[...]
    As bad as it was for Iran at the beginning of the twentieth century, things would become infinitely worse during World War I. Hoping to avoid entanglement in the war, Iran declared its neutrality on November 1, 1914. (The British and Russians had entered the war against Germany and Austria two months earlier.) Nevertheless, the country became a battleground between Russia and Britain (who were allies), and Turkey (a German ally) and its local Muslim supporters."
     
    Iran would again be invaded and occupied in WWII, by the Brits and the Soviets.

    I believe Iran's weariness of West and East is well justified.
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  • @RobinG
    Was Lamb ever reliable on Syria? I'm asking in innocence, since I haven't followed his writing. Years ago, his reports on Palestine, and also Hezbollah's defense of Lebanon, influenced me, but I have no idea what he's said about Syria.

    As recently as two years ago, Lamb still seemed to make sense on Syria. See, inter alia: http://cpdev2.staging.wpengine.com/2015/07/31/return-to-maloula-syria/

    But like so many others, as soon as the Russians turned up and the Syrians actually started winning, he inexplicably begins to blame both sides for the violence. Very bizarre …

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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    Now is the time for Islam. Thee is a reason Saudi Arab- the most corrupt most regressive most barbarous is surviving, is a reason Israel is friend of S Arab.

    1. What is the time for Islam? In what sense?
    2. Take out US “support” and KSA will crumble. Israel is dealing with Saudis, US, or rather Beltway, is, realistically, in the pocket of Saudis and does their bidding.

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  • @MEexpert

    ~ just felt the need to point out that none of these countries, and certainly not Iran, are any kind of threat that Israel needs to quash. They’re doing it because they always have to be dominating and controlling and imposing themselves upon others. It’s what they do.
     
    I did not mean that Iran was an "existential threat" to Israel as Israel claims. Even without a powerful army Hezbollah has twice defeated and kicked Israel out of Lebanon thereby keeping her from dominating that area. Israel is more afraid of Hezbollah than Iran. Hezbollah's weapons are supplied by Iran. By weakening Iran the powers to be want to weaken Hezbollah. Right now Israel is terrified not knowing how many missiles Hezbollah has.

    As an aside I must remind the readers that main thrust of the Middle East turmoil at this time is to destroy the followers of Shia Islam. From Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, and throughout the Arab world the Talibans, the Al-Qaeda and its off shoots, and ISIS have been killing Shias. Al-Qaeda and ISIS' slogan is , "better to kill one Shia than kill ten Israelis." Osama bin Laden's reason for 9/11 was US support of Israel against Palestinians. Count the number of Israelis killed since 9/11 to the number of Shias killed in all these countries as well as in Nigeria and Indonesia. Add to this the Shias being killed in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain by the ruling families.

    “destroy the followers of Shia Islam. From Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, and throughout the Arab world the Talibans, the Al-Qaeda and its off shoots, and ISIS have been killing Shias. Al-Qaeda and ISIS’ slogan is , “better to kill one Shia than kill ten Israelis.”

    Very important observation but don’t stop there . It is the war by deception at some level Israel did not create ISIS but it paved the way for it When Iraq was invaded 2 scenario were possible – total dominance by US-UK or a quagmire at military ,social,political level Both would give Israel what it wants Later by creating the opportunity of looking for sects groups tribes who now displaced powerless poor exploited and abused – those now could be rallied under flag of religion . ISIS the result . Michael Ledeen Perle, Krauthahammer FOX news Wolfowitz and Feith – all have ignored ,anticipated and desired the chaos and had welcomed it with abandon .

    Islam like Christianity is slowly being eroded by Zionism. How many blood baths erupted in Europe before 1950? Who were behind it ? Even after that Christianity did not get a rest ,did not escape slow moral destruction. Now is the time for Islam. Thee is a reason Saudi Arab- the most corrupt most regressive most barbarous is surviving, is a reason Israel is friend of S Arab.

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    Thee is a reason Saudi Arab- the most corrupt most regressive most barbarous is surviving, is a reason Israel is friend of S Arab.
     
    No, Saudi Arabia is a hell-hole not because of Israel but because of Wahhabi Islam. Take out Israel from the equation and KSA will remain what it is today regardless. I know there are many "Jews control the world"-fixated people here, but Islam had its issues with the world long before the state of Israel even appeared on the map.
    , @bunga
    However, as this author has previously written, one must return to the 1920’s to fully appreciate the origins of this informal and indirect alliance between Saudi Arabia and the Zionist entity. An illuminating study by Dr. Askar H. al-Enazy, titled, The Creation of Saudi Arabia: Ibn Saud and British Imperial Policy, 1914-1927, has further and uniquely provided any student of British Imperialism primary sourced evidence on the origins of this alliance. This study by Dr. Enazy influences the following piece. The defeat of the Ottoman Empire by British imperialism in World War One, left three distinct authorities in the Arabian peninsula: Sharif of Hijaz: Hussain bin Ali of Hijaz (in the west), Ibn Rashid of Ha’il (in the north) and Emir Ibn Saud of Najd (in the east) and his religiously fanatical followers, the Wahhabis.

    Ibn Saud had entered the war early in January 1915 on the side of the British, but was quickly defeated and his British handler, William Shakespear was killed by the Ottoman Empire’s ally Ibn Rashid. This defeat greatly hampered Ibn Saud’s utility to the Empir
    - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/zionism-kingdom-arabia/#sthash.FrUTwuQm.dpuf


    S Arab has deep connections to the Empire (UK later US) It has also until now maintained close relation but covert , now it is more open, with Israel from its origin. One of the
    reason Saudi Arab came into being as due to its acceptance of Zionist world view and entity

    Now Saudi pays Israel to do its lobbying in US because otehr lobbyist are not that productive

    Its a country that is corrupt to the core More corrupt one is more one needs God on its side
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  • @L.K
    Bla, blah, blah, blah, Yawnnnn..

    Smothie, you are a fucking LIAR.

    I actually caught you lying in that discussion we had before and you continued to LIE with a straight face, you have no shame.
    There is an electronic record of that btw, here at Unz.

    Smoothie:

    "Syria is not “long overrun” by “rebels” precisely because of Russian interference, which was requested at almost a breaking point precisely because Syria was about to be overrun.
     
    You stupid idiot. The war started in 2011, fool, Russian intervention began in September 2015.

    As a matter of fact, in late 2014, the Syrian forces had gained the upper hand in the fighting, with even some large Western MSm presstitutes admitting to that.
    This was only reversed in the Spring of 2015 with the injection of large numbers of new jihadists and equipment from Turkey, resulting in the Syrian defeat in Idlib.
    Their situation was difficult but Syria was far from defeated.

    The Soviet Union was a superpower and had great difficulties fighting the ZUSA backed jihadists in Afghanistan in the 80s.
    Russia suffered even worse later, when facing the fierce Chechens in the Caucasus.

    You truly are a pathetic Russian liar & propagandist, completely blowing yourself out of any proportion.
    So sad, really...

    You stupid idiot. The war started in 2011, fool, Russian intervention began in September 2015.

    I think you really demonstrated your level, now get down to your mother’s basement and try not to get off your meds, schoolboy.

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    So, as usual, you have nothing, ZERO.
    You are at your most pathetic when you start throwing some military acronyms and parlance to make yourself sound important.
    Or when you start whining about how you went to such and such military academy, bla, blah.
    None of that matters when the problem is simply that you are intellectually dishonest, a bloody liar really.

    BTw, why have you dodged this?

    "The Soviet Union was a superpower and had great difficulties fighting the ZUSA backed jihadists in Afghanistan in the 80s.
    Russia suffered even worse later, when facing the fierce Chechens in the Caucasus."
     
    Yet Syria, a modest country with a modest military was supposed to easily defeat a ZUSA jihad operation larger than the one in Afghanistan... such an honest military "analyst" you are, sir.

    When writing your Russian superhero propaganda, are you at least sober, or hugging that Vodka bottle of yours?
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  • @Alden
    Thanks for posting opposing views of the Russian position on Trump.

    I watched a few minutes of Fox this morning. Some DNC spokesman was blathering away about how Trump was only elected because of Russian meddling.

    So I guess this will be the mantra for the next 4 years, Trump is an illegitimate Pres because the Russians did it.

    I watched a few minutes of Fox this morning. Some DNC spokesman was blathering away about how Trump was only elected because of Russian meddling.

    Yes, because Lavrov personally flew all around the globe to Florida, to give away pirogi (with meat, eggs+onion and/or jam) and pour a glass of vodka (of the “Putinka” brand, of course!), while the invisible and elusive Polite Men In Green were shooing away Madonna, with her “Will blow for Hillary!” placard! That’s how Trump won! /sarcasm

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  • @Lyttenburgh
    There is so much wrong and outright false statements in just one paragraph!

    Trump’s cozying up to Putin is being reciprocated via an emerging Russian “Trumpomania” and love fest directed toward the American public, since the elections, which in Russia were greeted by the issuance of commemorative coins and Trump Matryoshka dolls.
     
    There is no “Trumpomania” in Russia, despite what the Western Free and Independent (tm) Corporate media try to tell you. Neither there is a “love fest directed toward the American public”. As for the “issuance of commemorative coins” – are you speaking about this?

    https://lenta.ru/news/2017/01/20/trump/

    45 coins, $10 000+ each. A private firm initiative. The same goes about Matryoshkas – or do you seriously claiming that Putin himself ordered the mass production of Trump nesting dolls? Then how do you explain that “thematic” Matryoshkas appeared every time the US had a new president – they were also endorsed by Putin himself?

    An all-night party in Moscow was endorsed by the Kremlin to celebrate Trump taking over the White House.
     
    This claim is simply false. There were no such a party “endorsed by the Kremlin”.

    The festivities were attended by thousands and even televised live on Tsargrad TV, a pro-Putin Russian Orthodox TV channel.
     
    1) Source about “thousands”?
    2) Tsargrad is of course pro-Putin, because it is pro-Russian. I’ve yet to see a patriotic channel that was anti-Putin. Still, Tsargrad TV is a minor channel based mostly in the Net.

    And some Moscow shops have offered 10% discounts to “American guests.”
     
    Only one – “Armiya Rossiyi” small chain of stores, selling military paraphernalia.

    Why such new-found good will?
     
    It’s not a “newfound good will”, it’s just a desire to have normal, non violent relations. So far, the most balanced take on the “Trump’s inauguration night in Moscow”:
    http://time.com/4642312/donald-trump-inauguration-view-from-moscow/

    Putin will presumably keep his cards to his chest while he studies this offer, but following more than a decade of frustration, Putin appears to be seeking the role of senior partner with Trump.
     
    And you base this conclusion on what?

    The Syrian opposition delegation to the Astana talks, which includes 12 groups, claims that Moscow is serious about moving to a neutral posture during the talks but that Putin is being pressured by Iran.
     
    Then they are lying.

    Part of the reason Moscow wants the Syrian conflict to end is that it is increasingly concerned about the financial and military labor costs of its involvement in Syria.
     
    Not true. The air campaign in Syria is very cheap for Russian military budget. If you are making such claims – source them. “Some sources claim” is a cope out, a rumour, or a lie.

    Syria is being called by some Russian analysts “Iran’s Afghanistan” and “Iran’s Vietnam.”
     
    I know nothing about such “Russian” analysts. Are you talking about Pavel Felgenghauer and other kvetchinh liberal masses? They were naysayers and predicted “Putin’s imminent collapse” since 2000.

    To profit from Trump’s offer of closer collaboration, would Moscow and Damascus cooperate in expelling Iran from Syria in order to thwart what they consider Iran’s deeply entrenched hegemonic colonization efforts across the Middle East?
     
    And you base this fantasy on thing “claimed”, “reported” and “believed” by some persons unknown? I thought here on UNZ people strive to battle the fake reporting and lousy journalism!

    Russia too, despite its tactical alliance with Iran in Syria, has an interest in expelling Iran from Syria. Syria’s importance to Russia’s interest in regaining its Cold War position as a major player in the Middle East, partly by expanding its Mediterranean base near Tartus and elsewhere, have been widely reported.
     
    BS again, with no confirmation. Russia has no desire to take any responsibility for the ME – period. Let the local states fight each other.

    Tl;dr – The article has nothing substantial, only rumor mongering with not proof whatsoever.

    @ Lyttenburgh . Agree 1000 percent.

    A fascinating interview worth watching… the Russian spokesman is pretty sharp and he speaks in English. He knows he’s talking to fake news…

    Watch, NBC News’ Bill Neely talk to Dmitry Peskov, on Donald Trump, Vlad Putin, dirty dossier, hacking and U.S. hysteria.

    http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2017/01/17/full-interview-with-kremlin-do-you-welcome-donald-trump/

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  • ~ just felt the need to point out that none of these countries, and certainly not Iran, are any kind of threat that Israel needs to quash. They’re doing it because they always have to be dominating and controlling and imposing themselves upon others. It’s what they do.

    I did not mean that Iran was an “existential threat” to Israel as Israel claims. Even without a powerful army Hezbollah has twice defeated and kicked Israel out of Lebanon thereby keeping her from dominating that area. Israel is more afraid of Hezbollah than Iran. Hezbollah’s weapons are supplied by Iran. By weakening Iran the powers to be want to weaken Hezbollah. Right now Israel is terrified not knowing how many missiles Hezbollah has.

    As an aside I must remind the readers that main thrust of the Middle East turmoil at this time is to destroy the followers of Shia Islam. From Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, and throughout the Arab world the Talibans, the Al-Qaeda and its off shoots, and ISIS have been killing Shias. Al-Qaeda and ISIS’ slogan is , “better to kill one Shia than kill ten Israelis.” Osama bin Laden’s reason for 9/11 was US support of Israel against Palestinians. Count the number of Israelis killed since 9/11 to the number of Shias killed in all these countries as well as in Nigeria and Indonesia. Add to this the Shias being killed in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain by the ruling families.

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    "destroy the followers of Shia Islam. From Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, and throughout the Arab world the Talibans, the Al-Qaeda and its off shoots, and ISIS have been killing Shias. Al-Qaeda and ISIS’ slogan is , “better to kill one Shia than kill ten Israelis.”

    Very important observation but don't stop there . It is the war by deception at some level Israel did not create ISIS but it paved the way for it When Iraq was invaded 2 scenario were possible - total dominance by US-UK or a quagmire at military ,social,political level Both would give Israel what it wants Later by creating the opportunity of looking for sects groups tribes who now displaced powerless poor exploited and abused - those now could be rallied under flag of religion . ISIS the result . Michael Ledeen Perle, Krauthahammer FOX news Wolfowitz and Feith - all have ignored ,anticipated and desired the chaos and had welcomed it with abandon .


    Islam like Christianity is slowly being eroded by Zionism. How many blood baths erupted in Europe before 1950? Who were behind it ? Even after that Christianity did not get a rest ,did not escape slow moral destruction. Now is the time for Islam. Thee is a reason Saudi Arab- the most corrupt most regressive most barbarous is surviving, is a reason Israel is friend of S Arab.
    , @Rurik

    Right now Israel is terrified not knowing how many missiles Hezbollah has.
     
    well, there again, I really don't think Israel is 'terrified' of anyone, except insofar as they can't just slaughter them on a whim and steal their lands. Hezbollah is a definitively defensive force, and there is zero reason to expect that they'd ever aggressively attack Israel. As I'm sure you'd agree. So their 'terror' is just the angst of an imperious hegemon at not being able to put their boot on everyone's face.

    is to destroy the followers of Shia Islam
     
    'kill the best of the Gentiles'

    It sure seems to me, and I admit I'm not all that familiar with the nuances of the Middle East and the assorted tribes, but it seems to me, that they're trying to destroy those nations and people who're the most successful and sophisticated, while simultaneously funding and arming and assisting the stone age head slicers of ISIS. I don't think it's Shia vs. Sunni so much, as it's just a general agenda to destroy any Gentiles in the region who mentally and cuturally function above the level of the stone age.

    Osama bin Laden’s reason for 9/11
     
    that's another discussion altogether ;)

    cheers
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  • “Instead, President Trump made a surprise move, ordering the State Department and Pentagon to prepare for the establishment of safe zones in Syria, giving them 90 days to provide a full blueprint for how they would go about it.” http://www.antiwar.com 26th Jan

    Now I dont’ intend to blow the balloon Mr Lamb has been floating . It is still possible that something could be worked out between Russia ans US behind the closed door . But how does this “safe zone “square with the the entire operation that Russia undertook to save Assad and break the backbones of the Jihadist ? It doesn’t .
    The announcement shows the empire has bankrupted itself It has no consistency It has no policy It is trying to please many sectors and is doing it impulsively . How did we get to this Clinton land? Like Obama , he is rapidly becoming an empty suit of ineptitude- everything for show and tell , it pleases the emotion of the crowd but it wont be much different than the hubris of Bush Jr . It can be worse . America will spend few more years in this Syrian-Iranain -Libyan swamp while China Russia and now India will make a killing at unprecedented level . When America wakes up ,it will reminisce nostalgically and yearn fro the good old days of Bush-Cheney-Obama years .

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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    You should go over to Occidentalobserver. It has plenty of posters claiming that the
    "Vatican" is the evil entity behind Israel, the Rothschilds, Goldman Sachs and the Federal Reserve.

    imo most of that is nonsense.
    I don’t think the Vatican is behind “Israel, Rothschilds, Goldman Sachs & Fed;” just the opposite.
    It’s a fact that a key member of the neoconservative US Treasury Dept wrangled a position overseeing the Vatican bank — Juan Zarate by name, was one of Stuart Levey’s “guerrillas in great suits” — the first team that ran OFAC, the “anti-terror finance” operation that arm-twists and blackmails international corporations that do business w/ people Levey & his AIPAC colleagues don’t want them to do business with.

    In June 2014, he [Juan Zarate] accepted an appointment to the Board that oversees the Vatican’s Institute for the Works of Religion (“IOR”), a move announced by Cardinal Pell of the Vatican Finance Ministry as part of Pope Francis I’s efforts to clean up the finances of the Vatican.[4] Zarate currently sits on the advisory board for nonprofit America Abroad Media.[5]

    It’s difficult for me to believe the Vatican reached out and requested Zarate’s assistance; prolly something more like a horse’s head scenario.

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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    If not for the SAA and NDF there would have been no Russian intervention at all, as Syria would have been long overun by “rebels”.
     
    I see again military "expert" peddling his lack of simple strategic logic. I am not answering to you--it is a waste of time since you do not have even a simplest command of rudimentary logic, I am answering to people who read this thread. Now read this statement of yours, pathetic amateur. Syria is not "long overrun" by "rebels" precisely because of Russian interference, which was requested at almost a breaking point precisely because Syria was about to be overrun.

    Even if true
     
    You have no background nor faculties to judge one way or another.

    Russia would suffer heavy casualties.
     
    Russia would suffer casualties, there is no doubt about it but since you are a product of butt-hurt Prussian military tradition, which didn't win a single serious war in 150 years, and, probably, the same quality of German public education, you will not understand simple operational proportions of several thousand Russian troops, with only part of them being SSO and, thus, participating in combat operations, plus about 90 altogether fixed wing+ helo aircraft doing the job of completely reversing a strategic reality on the ground in Syria--go and enroll in whatever military madras they have in Germany, maybe they will teach you how "to fight". I omit here operational ramifications of deployment of S-series AD Complexes there and of the world class C4ISR complex which was made available to SAA. But then again, force multipliers through sensors is not something you are acquainted with. In the end, loser, ask yourself a question where representative of all those "rebel" factions will be after tomorrow to continue to be told what and how to do in order not to be annihilated further. I'll give you a hint--a capital of one large country to the East of you. Don't want to fell a loser? Stop posting your amateur BS.

    Bla, blah, blah, blah, Yawnnnn..

    Smothie, you are a fucking LIAR.

    I actually caught you lying in that discussion we had before and you continued to LIE with a straight face, you have no shame.
    There is an electronic record of that btw, here at Unz.

    Smoothie:

    “Syria is not “long overrun” by “rebels” precisely because of Russian interference, which was requested at almost a breaking point precisely because Syria was about to be overrun.

    You stupid idiot. The war started in 2011, fool, Russian intervention began in September 2015.

    As a matter of fact, in late 2014, the Syrian forces had gained the upper hand in the fighting, with even some large Western MSm presstitutes admitting to that.
    This was only reversed in the Spring of 2015 with the injection of large numbers of new jihadists and equipment from Turkey, resulting in the Syrian defeat in Idlib.
    Their situation was difficult but Syria was far from defeated.

    The Soviet Union was a superpower and had great difficulties fighting the ZUSA backed jihadists in Afghanistan in the 80s.
    Russia suffered even worse later, when facing the fierce Chechens in the Caucasus.

    You truly are a pathetic Russian liar & propagandist, completely blowing yourself out of any proportion.
    So sad, really…

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    You stupid idiot. The war started in 2011, fool, Russian intervention began in September 2015.
     
    I think you really demonstrated your level, now get down to your mother's basement and try not to get off your meds, schoolboy.
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  • @Seamus Padraig
    But if the Zios were to succeed in separating Russia and Iran, it is doubtful that the Russians would prioritize Hezbollah as much as the Iranians do. And without Syria right next to it, it would be very difficult for Iran to resupply Hezbollah.

    Listen here, Seamus,

    You seem to be under the illusion that Russia calls all the shots in Syria, i.e, that the Syrian government has no will of its own, that Iran – and Hezb – don’t matter, etc.

    This is just completely wrong.

    With the failure to overthrow the Syrian government, informed sources from Syria state the relationship between Syria and Hezbollah has become stronger than ever.

    You speak as if Russia would betray Iran in exchange for ZUSA’S goodwill, but even IF that were to happen, the Syrian government would have to follow suit, which given the facts on the ground, I very much doubt would happen.

    Anyway, after Syria and allies fully liberated Aleppo from ZUSA’s cannibals, Syrians gathered for Christmas celebration in Aleppo… Interesting the flags as well as the portraits;
    Syrian flag/Assad portrait, Russian flag/Putin portrait, Hezbs flag/Nasrallas portrait;

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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    Putin would be a fool to backstab a long term ally just for some Trump handouts that will just be taken away the next election cycle.

    Who speaks here about “stabbing Iran in the back”? Iran is a situational ally for Russia and Iran has her imperatives in the region, by far the best guarantee for Iran’s security is the fact that Russia will not allow any (hostile) power to have Iran as a geopolitical bridgehead against Russia’s Caucasus (and Caspian) underbelly. Believe me, I already served when STAVKA of Southern Strategic Direction (Napravlenie) was established. Russia treats her Caucasus and Caspian underbelly extremely seriously. Any attack on Iran will have a very serious reaction. As per “handouts”, Sir, United States at this stage simply doesn’t have resources to play huge geopolitical games . In other words, US doesn’t have enough geopolitical “hard currency” to “buy” Russia. Russia is not “for sale” and she hasn’t been for awhile. Don’t live in Manichean world, it is not black and white–negotiating new geopolitical order with US does not mean that somebody will be back-stabbed. Necessary and globally needed restoration of US-Russian relations doesn’t mean geopolitical quid-pro-quo only. As per “doing their part”–it is a long discussion but Iran has her own interests and, as practice has shown, they are not always in concert with those of Russia.

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  • @Rurik
    enjoying the commentary, and agree with what you write, I'd only take issue with this statement

    He just wants Iran weaken to the point where it is no longer a threat to Israel.
     
    I don't believe that Iraq or Libya or Syria or Iran were or are a threat to Israel. The Zio-fiend isn't destroying these countries to remove threats to nuclear and American armed Israel, rather they're destroying them in order to destroy them. To send the people reeling into a dystopian hell on earth, and cause as much suffering and misery as they're capable of, for its own sake.

    And so that once these nations have ceased being intact, sovereign nations, they'll better be able to steal their land and lord if over them, and dominate them and pump Hollywood type spiritual sewage into their children and create zombie consumers out of them, much like they have the American public.

    What it's about is the raw exercise of power, for the sake of it. To dominate and destroy for the pleasure it gives them to dominate and destroy. Not because Iran or Syria or Libya or Iraq were any kind of military or economic threat, except insofar as they were able to lead relatively pleasant lives and thrive in their own countries.

    This drives the Zionists insane. They're a unique breed, and they're motivated by an imperative to see others suffer at their hands.

    ~ just felt the need to point out that none of these countries, and certainly not Iran, are any kind of threat that Israel needs to quash. They're doing it because they always have to be dominating and controlling and imposing themselves upon others. It's what they do.

    [Zios are]…They’re a unique breed, and they’re motivated by an imperative to see others suffer at their hands.

    I suspected that quite a while back, but have never heard of anyone actually describe it. It’s too bad that most people would reject the idea out of hand since the concept is real. Once a person sees the behavior at close range, it’s an eye opener.

    The narcissism, contempt, and sadism are quite obvious once one knows to be aware of it. One can observe varying degrees of it in most people in positions of power, even minor ones, especially if they have a few bucks. The worst, in my experience, are the offspring of the relatively wealthy. Many seem to be bored out of their minds and are thrill addicted.

    There’s some sick stuff out there and most seem blissfully unaware of how degenerate it is. Too damn bad.

    Oh, and another thing. Two of the greatest Western “heroes,” Churchill and FDR, fit that picture to a “T.” Those cats were really sick.

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    too bad that most people would reject the idea out of hand since the concept is real.
     
    :)

    ...sadism are quite obvious once one knows to be aware of it.
     
    some say the reason the Zionists are so unimaginably cruel to the Palestinians is because it's all calculated to make life literally unbearable, so that they'll just leave, or die or something. But I think that's just an excuse. I think they torment and humiliate those people for the fun of it. To live out their Old Testament, delusions of divine racial superiority by brutalizing the modern day Philistines and Canaanites- because that's what they do. They're just a sadistic, bullying people at heart, with a sadistic and cruel god. Period. They get off on it.

    There’s some sick stuff out there and most seem blissfully unaware of how degenerate it is.
     
    I think the whole adventure in the greater Levant is one huge sadism fest. Stone age tribal hatreds unleashed, and given expression with modern day weaponry and tech. Yet the man with his hand on the controls of the drone is still nothing more than an animal, however divine he imagines himself to be as he 'bug-splats' some more children.

    . Two of the greatest Western “heroes,” Churchill and FDR, fit that picture to a “T.” Those cats were really sick.
     
    monsters in my book

    and heralded as great statesmen because they served the Fiend very well indeed
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  • @Lyttenburgh
    There is so much wrong and outright false statements in just one paragraph!

    Trump’s cozying up to Putin is being reciprocated via an emerging Russian “Trumpomania” and love fest directed toward the American public, since the elections, which in Russia were greeted by the issuance of commemorative coins and Trump Matryoshka dolls.
     
    There is no “Trumpomania” in Russia, despite what the Western Free and Independent (tm) Corporate media try to tell you. Neither there is a “love fest directed toward the American public”. As for the “issuance of commemorative coins” – are you speaking about this?

    https://lenta.ru/news/2017/01/20/trump/

    45 coins, $10 000+ each. A private firm initiative. The same goes about Matryoshkas – or do you seriously claiming that Putin himself ordered the mass production of Trump nesting dolls? Then how do you explain that “thematic” Matryoshkas appeared every time the US had a new president – they were also endorsed by Putin himself?

    An all-night party in Moscow was endorsed by the Kremlin to celebrate Trump taking over the White House.
     
    This claim is simply false. There were no such a party “endorsed by the Kremlin”.

    The festivities were attended by thousands and even televised live on Tsargrad TV, a pro-Putin Russian Orthodox TV channel.
     
    1) Source about “thousands”?
    2) Tsargrad is of course pro-Putin, because it is pro-Russian. I’ve yet to see a patriotic channel that was anti-Putin. Still, Tsargrad TV is a minor channel based mostly in the Net.

    And some Moscow shops have offered 10% discounts to “American guests.”
     
    Only one – “Armiya Rossiyi” small chain of stores, selling military paraphernalia.

    Why such new-found good will?
     
    It’s not a “newfound good will”, it’s just a desire to have normal, non violent relations. So far, the most balanced take on the “Trump’s inauguration night in Moscow”:
    http://time.com/4642312/donald-trump-inauguration-view-from-moscow/

    Putin will presumably keep his cards to his chest while he studies this offer, but following more than a decade of frustration, Putin appears to be seeking the role of senior partner with Trump.
     
    And you base this conclusion on what?

    The Syrian opposition delegation to the Astana talks, which includes 12 groups, claims that Moscow is serious about moving to a neutral posture during the talks but that Putin is being pressured by Iran.
     
    Then they are lying.

    Part of the reason Moscow wants the Syrian conflict to end is that it is increasingly concerned about the financial and military labor costs of its involvement in Syria.
     
    Not true. The air campaign in Syria is very cheap for Russian military budget. If you are making such claims – source them. “Some sources claim” is a cope out, a rumour, or a lie.

    Syria is being called by some Russian analysts “Iran’s Afghanistan” and “Iran’s Vietnam.”
     
    I know nothing about such “Russian” analysts. Are you talking about Pavel Felgenghauer and other kvetchinh liberal masses? They were naysayers and predicted “Putin’s imminent collapse” since 2000.

    To profit from Trump’s offer of closer collaboration, would Moscow and Damascus cooperate in expelling Iran from Syria in order to thwart what they consider Iran’s deeply entrenched hegemonic colonization efforts across the Middle East?
     
    And you base this fantasy on thing “claimed”, “reported” and “believed” by some persons unknown? I thought here on UNZ people strive to battle the fake reporting and lousy journalism!

    Russia too, despite its tactical alliance with Iran in Syria, has an interest in expelling Iran from Syria. Syria’s importance to Russia’s interest in regaining its Cold War position as a major player in the Middle East, partly by expanding its Mediterranean base near Tartus and elsewhere, have been widely reported.
     
    BS again, with no confirmation. Russia has no desire to take any responsibility for the ME – period. Let the local states fight each other.

    Tl;dr – The article has nothing substantial, only rumor mongering with not proof whatsoever.

    @Russia has no desire to take any responsibility for the ME – period.

    Absolutely!
    Russia’s presence in Syria is based on the existing ‘Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation’ between Syria and USSR of 1980 (and then RF) which stipulates that “in the occurrence of situations jeopardizing peace or security for either party, the two parties would promptly contact each other to coordinate positions and cooperate to eliminate emerging threats so that peace can be restored”.
    Syria has no such treaties with Iran, neither Russia with Iran.
    There is ‘Treaty of Brotherhood, Cooperation and Coordination’ between Syria and Lebanon. Technically Hezbollah is an official ally.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    The Iranians had 4 years to turn the tide of battle in Syria, and they either couldn’t or wouldn’t do it.
     
    A very good point. "It is legitimate to judge event by the outcome for it is the soundest criterion"(c) Clausewitz. Iran, indeed, had 4 years--in 4 years strategic situation in Syria deteriorated to the point of utter necessity for Russia's interference. Effectively, Russia had to recreate Syrian Army, including appropriate Command and Control structures, and those were a complete mess, with Staffs busy more with internal fighting between Assad, Iran or other "rebel" loyalists, instead of planning and running operations. As latest revelations by Russian military advisers testify--by the time Russia got to Syria there was no Syrian Army as unified combat organism left.

    I do not want to take anything away from Russia, major props to Putin and the Russians for doing their part for the free world.

    But Iran is at the front lines against the Anglo Zionist empire in Syria, in Yemen, Lebanon etc etc.

    They are doing their part. They needed Russia to win, but I also doubt Russia could have achieved success in Syria without Iran’s support.

    Putin would be a fool to backstab a long term ally just for some Trump handouts that will just be taken away the next election cycle.

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    Except that, while they may both share some interest in preserving Syria, Russia and Iran are not really allies in any meaningful sense. Not only did the Persian Kingdom and the Russian Empire feud for centuries over control of Central Asia, but Iran's Islamic Revolution in 1979 deemed the USSR just as imperialistic as the US. "Neither East nor West," was Khomeini's slogan. He even once sent Gorbachev an open letter--with a rather condescending tone--suggesting that Gorby should look into to converting to Islam! And then, as recently as a few years ago, Russia voted along with the US to sanction Iran over their non-existent bomb. That royally pissed off Tehran.

    Mind you, I'm not saying that there's no chance that Russia and Iran may yet become allies; I'm just saying that they haven't really been so up until now, and that it's also possible they may never really become allies at all.

    , @L.K

    I do not want to take anything away from Russia, major props to Putin and the Russians for doing their part for the free world.
     
    Neither do I. I'm right there with you.


    They(Iran) are doing their part. They needed Russia to win, but I also doubt Russia could have achieved success in Syria without Iran’s support.
     
    Exactly and let's not forget the SAA either, bc without them the whole thing would have been a lost cause, Russia, Iran, Hezb notwithstanding.

    In fact, Russia went in precisely bc it knows that it can count on strong allies on the ground to do the heavy lifting.
    Don't expect smoothie, a pathetic sad little liar, to admit to any of it though.
    Acc to this clown, Russia basically did it all, the others just only carry water for them it seems.
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  • @L.K
    Lad, you have no idea what you are talking about.
    Pathetic comment, really.

    Seamus is another basement warrior.

    Someone so sheltered and so saturated in video games he has no idea why you can’t just pick up a machine gun and kill all the terrorists like he does all day in his mom’s basement.

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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @MEexpert

    The Iranians had 4 years to turn the tide of battle in Syria, and they either couldn’t or wouldn’t do it.
     
    This statement shows that the author of this quote does not know what is going on in Syria. Iran alone could never have done it. Against Iran, Hezbollah, and the Syrian Army were the forces of the US and its allies (NATO), the ME monarchies, the Al-Qaeda and its numerous affiliates, the ISIS, Turkey, and Israel. Also the Kurds, who want to take advantage of this situation and carve out a land of their own with the help of the US. In spite of this enormous opposition Iran managed to keep Assad in power before Russia helped.

    As far as the number of years are concerned, let us see. With the best trained and best equipped forces in the world, aided by the mighty forces of NATO, the US has not been able to defeat a small group of Talibans in Afghanistan in the longest war (16 years). Same is true in Iraq. After 14 years not only Al-Qaeda is still strong in Iraq but its off shoot (ISIS) played havoc with the US and allied forces. It was not until Ayatollah Sistani issued a fatwa ordering all Iraqis to defend their mother country that the Shia militias took up arms and started rooting out ISIS. In stead of helping these militias the US forces have been sabotaging their progress by dropping arms to the ISIS, other Sunnis, and the Kurds. US does not want an end to the Iraq war. US forces will stay in Iraq until the eventual war with Iran. Every one is bombing the Iraqis including all the Sunni Islamic countries.

    The compliant media continues to propagate false narrative blaming Iran for everything with the help of Israel which is mostly sitting on the sideline stoking the fire whenever Iran and the Shia militias have some success.

    By the way, Michael Ledeen's only mission in life is the destruction of Iran thus guaranteeing survival of Israel. He doesn't care about the moderates in Iran. He just wants Iran weaken to the point where it is no longer a threat to Israel. Now he has Trump's ear through Michael Flynn. The "America First" president will be doing Israel's bidding in the Middle east.

    This statement shows that the author of this quote does not know what is going on in Syria. Iran alone could never have done it

    Sir, I was in Maghreb, I graduated academy which had a separate Arab faculty. My close relatives taught and trained them. I knew many Soviet and Russian military advisers to many of those militaries. I am also well acquainted with mode of thinking of Arab military elite. You don’t trust me? It is OK. But at least listen, among many, to Chief-editor of “Arsenal Of Fatherland”, Lt. Colonel Murahosky (a person extremely close to Russian General Staff), Google Translate will do just fine, read this:

    https://riafan.ru/537125-bez-illyuzii-i-prikras-murahovskii-o-trudnostyah-siriiskoi-kampanii

    Per Iran, while Iran is no any modern Arab country militarily and Iranian soldier is generally better than Arab one, militarily Iran is only marginally better. Even at the peak of its training and equipment ME militaries are not even in the same universe as say militaries of USA, Russia or, even, France. Best proof of that are very expensive and monstrously pathetic Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia. As per the rest you wrote, I doubt that there will be invasion of Iran. Iran, indeed, is not Iraq–it is on the order of magnitude tougher nut to crack if we are talking about real invasion. Air “war” is a bit different proposition. There is number of political steps which could be taken first to avoid this unpleasant development. As per your counting of players in the region, I am well aware of that, plus I do listen, among many, Evgenii Satanovsky;-) I do not pretend to know but I do follow events there.

    P.S. If you are Iranian, I was born 120 nautical miles from Iran;-)

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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @L.K
    Smothiex12: "As latest revelations by Russian military advisers testify–by the time Russia got to Syria there was no Syrian Army as unified combat organism left."

    Even if true, and I very much doubt it, how is that Iran's fault??
    On the other hand, besieged Syria, fighting a poor man's war against ZUSA's & the Empire' proxy Salafist and assorted mercenary forces, completely encircled, resisted for years, pretty much on it own.
    If not for the SAA and NDF there would have been no Russian intervention at all, as Syria would have been long overun by "rebels".
    ZUSA'S op in Syria has overshadowed, by and large, in terms of scale, their arming of Jihadists in Afghanistan against the Soviets in the 80s.
    Furthermore, Russia has intervened basically with an air contingent and (smartly)keeps alway from ground operations.
    This is bc, unlike the nonsense you have written b4 re the war in Syria, there is nothing easy about it, and Russia would suffer heavy casualties.

    If not for the SAA and NDF there would have been no Russian intervention at all, as Syria would have been long overun by “rebels”.

    I see again military “expert” peddling his lack of simple strategic logic. I am not answering to you–it is a waste of time since you do not have even a simplest command of rudimentary logic, I am answering to people who read this thread. Now read this statement of yours, pathetic amateur. Syria is not “long overrun” by “rebels” precisely because of Russian interference, which was requested at almost a breaking point precisely because Syria was about to be overrun.

    Even if true

    You have no background nor faculties to judge one way or another.

    Russia would suffer heavy casualties.

    Russia would suffer casualties, there is no doubt about it but since you are a product of butt-hurt Prussian military tradition, which didn’t win a single serious war in 150 years, and, probably, the same quality of German public education, you will not understand simple operational proportions of several thousand Russian troops, with only part of them being SSO and, thus, participating in combat operations, plus about 90 altogether fixed wing+ helo aircraft doing the job of completely reversing a strategic reality on the ground in Syria–go and enroll in whatever military madras they have in Germany, maybe they will teach you how “to fight”. I omit here operational ramifications of deployment of S-series AD Complexes there and of the world class C4ISR complex which was made available to SAA. But then again, force multipliers through sensors is not something you are acquainted with. In the end, loser, ask yourself a question where representative of all those “rebel” factions will be after tomorrow to continue to be told what and how to do in order not to be annihilated further. I’ll give you a hint–a capital of one large country to the East of you. Don’t want to fell a loser? Stop posting your amateur BS.

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    Bla, blah, blah, blah, Yawnnnn..

    Smothie, you are a fucking LIAR.

    I actually caught you lying in that discussion we had before and you continued to LIE with a straight face, you have no shame.
    There is an electronic record of that btw, here at Unz.

    Smoothie:

    "Syria is not “long overrun” by “rebels” precisely because of Russian interference, which was requested at almost a breaking point precisely because Syria was about to be overrun.
     
    You stupid idiot. The war started in 2011, fool, Russian intervention began in September 2015.

    As a matter of fact, in late 2014, the Syrian forces had gained the upper hand in the fighting, with even some large Western MSm presstitutes admitting to that.
    This was only reversed in the Spring of 2015 with the injection of large numbers of new jihadists and equipment from Turkey, resulting in the Syrian defeat in Idlib.
    Their situation was difficult but Syria was far from defeated.

    The Soviet Union was a superpower and had great difficulties fighting the ZUSA backed jihadists in Afghanistan in the 80s.
    Russia suffered even worse later, when facing the fierce Chechens in the Caucasus.

    You truly are a pathetic Russian liar & propagandist, completely blowing yourself out of any proportion.
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  • @MEexpert

    The Iranians had 4 years to turn the tide of battle in Syria, and they either couldn’t or wouldn’t do it.
     
    This statement shows that the author of this quote does not know what is going on in Syria. Iran alone could never have done it. Against Iran, Hezbollah, and the Syrian Army were the forces of the US and its allies (NATO), the ME monarchies, the Al-Qaeda and its numerous affiliates, the ISIS, Turkey, and Israel. Also the Kurds, who want to take advantage of this situation and carve out a land of their own with the help of the US. In spite of this enormous opposition Iran managed to keep Assad in power before Russia helped.

    As far as the number of years are concerned, let us see. With the best trained and best equipped forces in the world, aided by the mighty forces of NATO, the US has not been able to defeat a small group of Talibans in Afghanistan in the longest war (16 years). Same is true in Iraq. After 14 years not only Al-Qaeda is still strong in Iraq but its off shoot (ISIS) played havoc with the US and allied forces. It was not until Ayatollah Sistani issued a fatwa ordering all Iraqis to defend their mother country that the Shia militias took up arms and started rooting out ISIS. In stead of helping these militias the US forces have been sabotaging their progress by dropping arms to the ISIS, other Sunnis, and the Kurds. US does not want an end to the Iraq war. US forces will stay in Iraq until the eventual war with Iran. Every one is bombing the Iraqis including all the Sunni Islamic countries.

    The compliant media continues to propagate false narrative blaming Iran for everything with the help of Israel which is mostly sitting on the sideline stoking the fire whenever Iran and the Shia militias have some success.

    By the way, Michael Ledeen's only mission in life is the destruction of Iran thus guaranteeing survival of Israel. He doesn't care about the moderates in Iran. He just wants Iran weaken to the point where it is no longer a threat to Israel. Now he has Trump's ear through Michael Flynn. The "America First" president will be doing Israel's bidding in the Middle east.

    enjoying the commentary, and agree with what you write, I’d only take issue with this statement

    He just wants Iran weaken to the point where it is no longer a threat to Israel.

    I don’t believe that Iraq or Libya or Syria or Iran were or are a threat to Israel. The Zio-fiend isn’t destroying these countries to remove threats to nuclear and American armed Israel, rather they’re destroying them in order to destroy them. To send the people reeling into a dystopian hell on earth, and cause as much suffering and misery as they’re capable of, for its own sake.

    And so that once these nations have ceased being intact, sovereign nations, they’ll better be able to steal their land and lord if over them, and dominate them and pump Hollywood type spiritual sewage into their children and create zombie consumers out of them, much like they have the American public.

    What it’s about is the raw exercise of power, for the sake of it. To dominate and destroy for the pleasure it gives them to dominate and destroy. Not because Iran or Syria or Libya or Iraq were any kind of military or economic threat, except insofar as they were able to lead relatively pleasant lives and thrive in their own countries.

    This drives the Zionists insane. They’re a unique breed, and they’re motivated by an imperative to see others suffer at their hands.

    ~ just felt the need to point out that none of these countries, and certainly not Iran, are any kind of threat that Israel needs to quash. They’re doing it because they always have to be dominating and controlling and imposing themselves upon others. It’s what they do.

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    [Zios are]...They’re a unique breed, and they’re motivated by an imperative to see others suffer at their hands.
     
    I suspected that quite a while back, but have never heard of anyone actually describe it. It's too bad that most people would reject the idea out of hand since the concept is real. Once a person sees the behavior at close range, it's an eye opener.

    The narcissism, contempt, and sadism are quite obvious once one knows to be aware of it. One can observe varying degrees of it in most people in positions of power, even minor ones, especially if they have a few bucks. The worst, in my experience, are the offspring of the relatively wealthy. Many seem to be bored out of their minds and are thrill addicted.

    There's some sick stuff out there and most seem blissfully unaware of how degenerate it is. Too damn bad.

    Oh, and another thing. Two of the greatest Western "heroes," Churchill and FDR, fit that picture to a "T." Those cats were really sick.

    , @DaveE
    Jews have never made a secret of their "ownership" of "the promised land". That is, Palestine, Gaza, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, half of Egypt (the good half), most of Iraq and most or all of the Arabian Peninsula depending on who you ask.

    Aw hell, let's throw in Turkey and Iran, too, just for "national security purposes".

    Nice people don't practice vile belief systems.

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  • @Seamus Padraig

    PPS: Word on the street (in the souk) is that Franklin Lamb is a gatekeeper and phony. Too bad, but I see many here already have his number.
     
    If this article is representative of his stuff now, then a phony is definitely what he's become. Sadly, he used to be different. This is happening with a lot of once-reliable people on Syria nowadays.

    Was Lamb ever reliable on Syria? I’m asking in innocence, since I haven’t followed his writing. Years ago, his reports on Palestine, and also Hezbollah’s defense of Lebanon, influenced me, but I have no idea what he’s said about Syria.

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    As recently as two years ago, Lamb still seemed to make sense on Syria. See, inter alia: http://cpdev2.staging.wpengine.com/2015/07/31/return-to-maloula-syria/

    But like so many others, as soon as the Russians turned up and the Syrians actually started winning, he inexplicably begins to blame both sides for the violence. Very bizarre ...

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  • @RobinG
    Tonight in Toronto:

    THE WAR ON SYRIA
    Debunking Lies and Fake News... ...Finding a Path to Peace


    Critical Examination and Discussion with EVA BARTLETT, independent Canadian journalist, providing first hand, eyewitness accounts from Aleppo and elsewhere in Syria.

    Wednesday, January 25, 7:00pm
    Steelworkers Hall, 25 Cecil St., TORONTO


    PS: TULSI GABBARD in back from Syria and Lebanon. She met with Assad and numerous state, religious and secular leaders and citizens, so of course she's being attacked by scum like Charles Lister, Josh Rogin, etc.

    PPS: Word on the street (in the souk) is that Franklin Lamb is a gatekeeper and phony. Too bad, but I see many here already have his number.

    PPS: Word on the street (in the souk) is that Franklin Lamb is a gatekeeper and phony. Too bad, but I see many here already have his number.

    If this article is representative of his stuff now, then a phony is definitely what he’s become. Sadly, he used to be different. This is happening with a lot of once-reliable people on Syria nowadays.

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    Was Lamb ever reliable on Syria? I'm asking in innocence, since I haven't followed his writing. Years ago, his reports on Palestine, and also Hezbollah's defense of Lebanon, influenced me, but I have no idea what he's said about Syria.
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  • @anon
    how do you think Hezbollah got as strong as it is, Seamus P?

    Iran has been shipping weapons & training/trainers to Hez for years, at great risk and demanding enormous subterfuge -- the Izzies have snoops everywhere and interdict shipments whenever they can.

    http://imra.org.il/story.php3?id=72006

    Iranian military fighters as well as leaders have died fighting against ISIS.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-iran-idUSKBN13H16J

    Assuming you are Irish, how many of your kin have shed blood or spent treasure or taken risks to their economy to ship weapons to Hez or defend against Israeli aggression?

    But if the Zios were to succeed in separating Russia and Iran, it is doubtful that the Russians would prioritize Hezbollah as much as the Iranians do. And without Syria right next to it, it would be very difficult for Iran to resupply Hezbollah.

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    Listen here, Seamus,

    You seem to be under the illusion that Russia calls all the shots in Syria, i.e, that the Syrian government has no will of its own, that Iran - and Hezb - don't matter, etc.

    This is just completely wrong.

    With the failure to overthrow the Syrian government, informed sources from Syria state the relationship between Syria and Hezbollah has become stronger than ever.

    You speak as if Russia would betray Iran in exchange for ZUSA'S goodwill, but even IF that were to happen, the Syrian government would have to follow suit, which given the facts on the ground, I very much doubt would happen.

    Anyway, after Syria and allies fully liberated Aleppo from ZUSA's cannibals, Syrians gathered for Christmas celebration in Aleppo... Interesting the flags as well as the portraits;
    Syrian flag/Assad portrait, Russian flag/Putin portrait, Hezbs flag/Nasrallas portrait;
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYiJF5OCgFQ
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  • @Simon in London
    Wow that was depressing. If the author is CIA or similar affiliated, this is a much smarter approach than we usually see.

    I have read many previous articles by this author. This article is totally out of character. He has lived among Hezbollah fighters and has always been a supporter of their cause. This does not make sense at all.

    If Putin is as smart as the main stream media think he is (single handedly staging a coup in the most free country in the world), he will not fall for this.

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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    The Iranians had 4 years to turn the tide of battle in Syria, and they either couldn’t or wouldn’t do it.
     
    A very good point. "It is legitimate to judge event by the outcome for it is the soundest criterion"(c) Clausewitz. Iran, indeed, had 4 years--in 4 years strategic situation in Syria deteriorated to the point of utter necessity for Russia's interference. Effectively, Russia had to recreate Syrian Army, including appropriate Command and Control structures, and those were a complete mess, with Staffs busy more with internal fighting between Assad, Iran or other "rebel" loyalists, instead of planning and running operations. As latest revelations by Russian military advisers testify--by the time Russia got to Syria there was no Syrian Army as unified combat organism left.

    The Iranians had 4 years to turn the tide of battle in Syria, and they either couldn’t or wouldn’t do it.

    This statement shows that the author of this quote does not know what is going on in Syria. Iran alone could never have done it. Against Iran, Hezbollah, and the Syrian Army were the forces of the US and its allies (NATO), the ME monarchies, the Al-Qaeda and its numerous affiliates, the ISIS, Turkey, and Israel. Also the Kurds, who want to take advantage of this situation and carve out a land of their own with the help of the US. In spite of this enormous opposition Iran managed to keep Assad in power before Russia helped.

    As far as the number of years are concerned, let us see. With the best trained and best equipped forces in the world, aided by the mighty forces of NATO, the US has not been able to defeat a small group of Talibans in Afghanistan in the longest war (16 years). Same is true in Iraq. After 14 years not only Al-Qaeda is still strong in Iraq but its off shoot (ISIS) played havoc with the US and allied forces. It was not until Ayatollah Sistani issued a fatwa ordering all Iraqis to defend their mother country that the Shia militias took up arms and started rooting out ISIS. In stead of helping these militias the US forces have been sabotaging their progress by dropping arms to the ISIS, other Sunnis, and the Kurds. US does not want an end to the Iraq war. US forces will stay in Iraq until the eventual war with Iran. Every one is bombing the Iraqis including all the Sunni Islamic countries.

    The compliant media continues to propagate false narrative blaming Iran for everything with the help of Israel which is mostly sitting on the sideline stoking the fire whenever Iran and the Shia militias have some success.

    By the way, Michael Ledeen’s only mission in life is the destruction of Iran thus guaranteeing survival of Israel. He doesn’t care about the moderates in Iran. He just wants Iran weaken to the point where it is no longer a threat to Israel. Now he has Trump’s ear through Michael Flynn. The “America First” president will be doing Israel’s bidding in the Middle east.

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    enjoying the commentary, and agree with what you write, I'd only take issue with this statement

    He just wants Iran weaken to the point where it is no longer a threat to Israel.
     
    I don't believe that Iraq or Libya or Syria or Iran were or are a threat to Israel. The Zio-fiend isn't destroying these countries to remove threats to nuclear and American armed Israel, rather they're destroying them in order to destroy them. To send the people reeling into a dystopian hell on earth, and cause as much suffering and misery as they're capable of, for its own sake.

    And so that once these nations have ceased being intact, sovereign nations, they'll better be able to steal their land and lord if over them, and dominate them and pump Hollywood type spiritual sewage into their children and create zombie consumers out of them, much like they have the American public.

    What it's about is the raw exercise of power, for the sake of it. To dominate and destroy for the pleasure it gives them to dominate and destroy. Not because Iran or Syria or Libya or Iraq were any kind of military or economic threat, except insofar as they were able to lead relatively pleasant lives and thrive in their own countries.

    This drives the Zionists insane. They're a unique breed, and they're motivated by an imperative to see others suffer at their hands.

    ~ just felt the need to point out that none of these countries, and certainly not Iran, are any kind of threat that Israel needs to quash. They're doing it because they always have to be dominating and controlling and imposing themselves upon others. It's what they do.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    This statement shows that the author of this quote does not know what is going on in Syria. Iran alone could never have done it
     
    Sir, I was in Maghreb, I graduated academy which had a separate Arab faculty. My close relatives taught and trained them. I knew many Soviet and Russian military advisers to many of those militaries. I am also well acquainted with mode of thinking of Arab military elite. You don't trust me? It is OK. But at least listen, among many, to Chief-editor of "Arsenal Of Fatherland", Lt. Colonel Murahosky (a person extremely close to Russian General Staff), Google Translate will do just fine, read this:

    https://riafan.ru/537125-bez-illyuzii-i-prikras-murahovskii-o-trudnostyah-siriiskoi-kampanii

    Per Iran, while Iran is no any modern Arab country militarily and Iranian soldier is generally better than Arab one, militarily Iran is only marginally better. Even at the peak of its training and equipment ME militaries are not even in the same universe as say militaries of USA, Russia or, even, France. Best proof of that are very expensive and monstrously pathetic Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia. As per the rest you wrote, I doubt that there will be invasion of Iran. Iran, indeed, is not Iraq--it is on the order of magnitude tougher nut to crack if we are talking about real invasion. Air "war" is a bit different proposition. There is number of political steps which could be taken first to avoid this unpleasant development. As per your counting of players in the region, I am well aware of that, plus I do listen, among many, Evgenii Satanovsky;-) I do not pretend to know but I do follow events there.

    P.S. If you are Iranian, I was born 120 nautical miles from Iran;-)

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  • @RobinG
    Tonight in Toronto:

    THE WAR ON SYRIA
    Debunking Lies and Fake News... ...Finding a Path to Peace


    Critical Examination and Discussion with EVA BARTLETT, independent Canadian journalist, providing first hand, eyewitness accounts from Aleppo and elsewhere in Syria.

    Wednesday, January 25, 7:00pm
    Steelworkers Hall, 25 Cecil St., TORONTO


    PS: TULSI GABBARD in back from Syria and Lebanon. She met with Assad and numerous state, religious and secular leaders and citizens, so of course she's being attacked by scum like Charles Lister, Josh Rogin, etc.

    PPS: Word on the street (in the souk) is that Franklin Lamb is a gatekeeper and phony. Too bad, but I see many here already have his number.

    It does seem, Robin,

    That the once venerable Franklin Lamb has cooked up some rather smelly porridge, this time round.

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  • Tonight in Toronto:

    THE WAR ON SYRIA
    Debunking Lies and Fake News… …Finding a Path to Peace

    Critical Examination and Discussion with EVA BARTLETT, independent Canadian journalist, providing first hand, eyewitness accounts from Aleppo and elsewhere in Syria.

    Wednesday, January 25, 7:00pm
    Steelworkers Hall, 25 Cecil St., TORONTO

    PS: TULSI GABBARD in back from Syria and Lebanon. She met with Assad and numerous state, religious and secular leaders and citizens, so of course she’s being attacked by scum like Charles Lister, Josh Rogin, etc.

    PPS: Word on the street (in the souk) is that Franklin Lamb is a gatekeeper and phony. Too bad, but I see many here already have his number.

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    It does seem, Robin,

    That the once venerable Franklin Lamb has cooked up some rather smelly porridge, this time round.
    , @Seamus Padraig

    PPS: Word on the street (in the souk) is that Franklin Lamb is a gatekeeper and phony. Too bad, but I see many here already have his number.
     
    If this article is representative of his stuff now, then a phony is definitely what he's become. Sadly, he used to be different. This is happening with a lot of once-reliable people on Syria nowadays.
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  • This reads like everything else I’m reading from the zios these days: a thinly-veiled Iran hit-piece.

    With Trump’s anti-Iran rhetoric, Israel’s new settlements which were timed to look like Trump sponsored them and the relative calm in the Trump-bashing and Putin-bashing zio media on other issues, I’d say the zios are setting us up for:

    a.) A false-flag attack, to be blamed on Iran.

    b.) All of the Above.

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  • @jacques sheete

    how do you think Hezbollah got as strong as it is, Seamus P?

    Iran has been shipping weapons & training/trainers to Hez for years,

     

    Sorry to intrude, but may I answer that? I admit that I know next to nothing about Hezbollah, but I do recall having read a few times over the years that Israel itself had something to do with creating and/or supporting it. I thought it had to do with using it to undermine Arafat's group, but who knows.

    Perhaps someone could clarify the issue for us ignorant stumps.

    Are articles like this worth much?:

    Israel Created Two of Its Own Worst Enemies—Hamas and Hezbollah

    http://www.wrmea.org/2002-november/israel-created-two-of-its-own-worst-enemies-hamas-and-hezbollah.html
     

    I know more about Hez than I do about Hamas.

    There is some truth that Israel supported Hamas in order to play divide and conquer with the Palestinians.

    As for Hez, it was created with Iranian help to counter the illegal Israeli invasion and ocuppation of Southern Lebanon in the early 80s.

    Since then the group has become a first rate fighting force, the best guerrilla army out there, and has inflicted embarassing defeats on the IDF sissies.

    The war in Syria is by and large a Zionist ploy to sever Iran’s locs to Lebanon, making it difficult for Hezb to arm themselves and totally isolating Iran in the region.

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