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    Butcher of Damascus. Gasser of children. Baby Killer of Syria. Tool of Moscow. Cruel despot. Monster. These are all names the western media and politicians routinely heap on Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad. He has now become the top Mideast villain, the man we love to hate. As a veteran Mideast watcher, I find all this...
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    Nothing fake about the German atrocities against Belgian civilians, see Dinant. Anyway Britain was allied with the Tsar so the media gatekeepers kept up a steady drumbeat of pro German propaganda so that Anglo-Saxon America could not aid her sister country sooner.

    Does Belgium exist for any reason other than to trigger British entry into Continental wars?

    Does Great Britain exist for any reason other than to import governing majorities of Pakistani Muslims and generate dossiers on American Presidential candidates?

    Great job drawing up the modern Middle East, by the way.

    Next time you decide to enter a war to keep Germany from becoming the top industrial power on the Continent I think we’ll sit that one out.

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  • Much of the Western world just honored the millions of soldiers fallen in the two world wars. But we also need to look beyond postwar myths and understand the tragic political mistakes that sent these soldiers to die in wars that might have been avoided. In his powerful new book, Hitler, Churchill and the Unnecessary...
  • “America’s entry into the war resulted in Germany’s defeat”

    An American myth. Britain and France would have defeated the Germans anyway. It would have just taken a bit longer. American supplies were very helpful, though.

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  • Butcher of Damascus. Gasser of children. Baby Killer of Syria. Tool of Moscow. Cruel despot. Monster. These are all names the western media and politicians routinely heap on Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad. He has now become the top Mideast villain, the man we love to hate. As a veteran Mideast watcher, I find all this...
  • @LondonBob
    Nothing fake about the German atrocities against Belgian civilians, see Dinant. Anyway Britain was allied with the Tsar so the media gatekeepers kept up a steady drumbeat of pro German propaganda so that Anglo-Saxon America could not aid her sister country sooner.

    Nothing fake about the German atrocities against Belgian civilians, see Dinant.

    On the contrary. While there were German atrocities (don’t see Dinant, see German Atrocities, 1914 — A History of Denial), quite a bit of it was fake, some staged in Paris for best effect.

    so that Anglo-Saxon America could not aid her sister country sooner

    This was not “Anglo-Saxon” (more like Anglo-Protestant, amirite?) America’s war to wage, indeed it was not even Great Britain’s war to wage. Anyway the “sister country” lost its Empire (as well its population) while “Anglo-Saxon” America gained its, so a transfer between those “sisters” was a good, old, fat win-lose situation.

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  • @Renoman
    It takes a firm hand to rule those mid East Countries, a lot of real crazy fanatics living there. The message here is "be careful what you wish for". just look at the trail of destruction the US hath rot. Syria was a SECULAR relatively modern civilized state before the West brought democracy, what a mess they made.

    After seeing film of the Syria of Assad jnr, and seeing it now, and listening to the voices of people suffering in the refugee hovels, I can add – Syria WAS a modern civilised state. The people were also, by and large, happy.
    Now, after America, it’s a moonscape of utter destruction, and the people are desperately, terribly miserable.
    And you, America, are going to have to live with this, as you should.
    I was watching and listening to a home video [iPhone} of the Syrian defences shooting down the American missiles. As well as the pleasure I got from their success, was the interest in hearing the cameraman’s quietly muttered comments “Yes, go, get damn American. Get damn American. Good, good”
    I dont think any of you are going to be welcome there for the next 100 yrs or more.

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  • Much of the Western world just honored the millions of soldiers fallen in the two world wars. But we also need to look beyond postwar myths and understand the tragic political mistakes that sent these soldiers to die in wars that might have been avoided. In his powerful new book, Hitler, Churchill and the Unnecessary...
  • Churchill was a bought and paid for gambling drunk.
    He insisted on war because the people that owned him wanted it that way.
    He is the most evil corrupt monster to have ever walked this earth.
    He is responsible for more deaths than anyone else. Ever.

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  • A few good thoughts here and there, but a very inaccurate summary of events in total.

    ” so seduced by “Uncle Joe” Stalin, they handed half of Europe to the Soviet Union.”

    That’s just ridiculous.

    Russia defeated Germany, full stop. That’s why they call WWII the Great Fatherland War.

    Who on earth was going to order Stalin and his then massive and victorious Red Army to stop at a certain border? The wise thing to do was accommodate to some degree and try to keep amicable relations for future, which is what was done.

    America’s contribution seems large to Americans, but in the scheme of things, it was rather marginal.

    I too am no friend of Churchill. His contribution was to start the bombing of cities before Hitler. Churchill was a brutal man who had little sense of Britain’s place in the world anymore and thought nothing of killing large numbers of civilians. After all, it was his same point of view as holding on to the Empire – that is, big tough Britain machine-guns and bombs huge numbers of people, as he did.

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  • Butcher of Damascus. Gasser of children. Baby Killer of Syria. Tool of Moscow. Cruel despot. Monster. These are all names the western media and politicians routinely heap on Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad. He has now become the top Mideast villain, the man we love to hate. As a veteran Mideast watcher, I find all this...
  • As the Alliances missiles and bombs dropped on Syria, I speculated that the Russian Trolls would come out to discredit the act.

    Always…Always, verify what you read to be 100% accurate before you pass it along.

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  • @byrresheim
    There never have been any fake German atrocities.

    As for fake stories about German atrocities, now that's another matter altogether.

    Horrible things did happen.
    Horrible lies were told.
    Sick German stupidity had a field day as aggression then, as autoaggression now.

    There is however strictly no reason for British smugness.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_Belgium

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  • @LondonBob
    Nothing fake about the German atrocities against Belgian civilians, see Dinant. Anyway Britain was allied with the Tsar so the media gatekeepers kept up a steady drumbeat of pro German propaganda so that Anglo-Saxon America could not aid her sister country sooner.

    There never have been any fake German atrocities.

    As for fake stories about German atrocities, now that’s another matter altogether.

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    Horrible things did happen.
    Horrible lies were told.
    Sick German stupidity had a field day as aggression then, as autoaggression now.

    There is however strictly no reason for British smugness.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_Belgium

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  • It takes a firm hand to rule those mid East Countries, a lot of real crazy fanatics living there. The message here is “be careful what you wish for”. just look at the trail of destruction the US hath rot. Syria was a SECULAR relatively modern civilized state before the West brought democracy, what a mess they made.

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    After seeing film of the Syria of Assad jnr, and seeing it now, and listening to the voices of people suffering in the refugee hovels, I can add - Syria WAS a modern civilised state. The people were also, by and large, happy.
    Now, after America, it's a moonscape of utter destruction, and the people are desperately, terribly miserable.
    And you, America, are going to have to live with this, as you should.
    I was watching and listening to a home video [iPhone} of the Syrian defences shooting down the American missiles. As well as the pleasure I got from their success, was the interest in hearing the cameraman's quietly muttered comments "Yes, go, get damn American. Get damn American. Good, good"
    I dont think any of you are going to be welcome there for the next 100 yrs or more.
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  • Thank you very much, sir, for a sober assessment.

    The son is now learning the hard way why the father was swift and ruthless in his reactions.

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  • Nothing fake about the German atrocities against Belgian civilians, see Dinant. Anyway Britain was allied with the Tsar so the media gatekeepers kept up a steady drumbeat of pro German propaganda so that Anglo-Saxon America could not aid her sister country sooner.

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    There never have been any fake German atrocities.

    As for fake stories about German atrocities, now that's another matter altogether.
    , @El Dato
    Nothing fake about the German atrocities against Belgian civilians, see Dinant.

    On the contrary. While there were German atrocities (don't see Dinant, see German Atrocities, 1914 -- A History of Denial), quite a bit of it was fake, some staged in Paris for best effect.

    so that Anglo-Saxon America could not aid her sister country sooner

    This was not "Anglo-Saxon" (more like Anglo-Protestant, amirite?) America's war to wage, indeed it was not even Great Britain's war to wage. Anyway the "sister country" lost its Empire (as well its population) while "Anglo-Saxon" America gained its, so a transfer between those "sisters" was a good, old, fat win-lose situation.

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    Does Belgium exist for any reason other than to trigger British entry into Continental wars?

    Does Great Britain exist for any reason other than to import governing majorities of Pakistani Muslims and generate dossiers on American Presidential candidates?

    Great job drawing up the modern Middle East, by the way.

    Next time you decide to enter a war to keep Germany from becoming the top industrial power on the Continent I think we'll sit that one out.
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  • Behind President Donald Trump’s bluster and threats over Syria, powerful forces are pushing the US towards war with Russia and Syria: the neocons and the military industrial complex. For a candidate who once proposed a normal relationship with Russia, just peace in the Mideast, and an end to America’s foreign wars Donald Trump is now...
  • @anarchyst
    The United States government gets its “marching orders” from Israel. THAT is a major problem, with dual-nationality Israelis running our government and formulating both our foreign and domestic policy.

    “Cleaning the swamp” should involve getting rid of ALL dual-nationality types. There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for anyone having “dual loyalties” in MY country.

    In addition, Israel holds a “Damocles sword” over the rest of the world with its “undocumented nukes”…
    If a nuclear device is “lit off” in an American or European city, it will have Israel’s fingerprints all over it. Israel is desperate to keep the American money spigot running, as well as sabotaging the Palestinian “peace process” that the world wants it to take seriously.

    In fact, if a nuclear device is “lit off” anywhere in the world, it will have come from Israel’s secret nuclear “stockpile”.

    The “power outage” in Atlanta was a convenient excuse for Israel to perform a logistical “sleight of hand”, as an Israeli plane was allowed to land and take off during the “power outage” without receiving customs clearance or inspection. Just maybe another one of Israel’s nukes was just being pre-positioned, getting ready for “the big one”. As most Americans are tired of all of the foreign wars being fought for Israel’s benefit, another “incident” on American soil would be enough to galvanize the American public, once again, (just like WTC 9-11) to support another war for Israel’s benefit. Israel’s “samson option” is a real threat to “light one off” in a European or American city, if Israel’s interests are not taken seriously.

    Israel refuses to abide by IAEA guidelines concerning its nukes as they are already distributed around the world. Israel would not be able to produce all of them as most of them are not in Israel, proper. No delivery systems are needed as Israel’s nukes are already “in place”. Look for another “false flag” operation with the blame being put on Iran or Syria. You can bet that some Iranian or Syrian passports will be found in the rubble.

    Israel also threatens to detonate nuclear devices in several US cities. Talk about total INSANITY; the so-called “Samson Option” is it.

    As an aside, American “foreign aid” is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the “Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty” or refuses to abide by “International Atomic Energy Agency” (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices. Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American “foreign aid”. This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their “agents of a foreign government” with the U S State Department. Guess what?? Israel (again) with its “American Israel Political Action Committee” (AIPAC) still gets “foreign aid” in contravention of American law..

    There are forty or so congressmen, senators and thousands of high-level policy “wonks” infecting the U S government who hold “dual citizenship” with Israel. Such dual citizenship must be strictly prohibited. Those holding dual citizenship must be required to renounce said foreign citizenship. Refusal to do so should result in immediate deportation with loss of American citizenship. Present and former holders of dual citizenship should never be allowed to serve in any American governmental capacity.

    When Netanyahu addressed both houses of congress, it was sickening to see our politicians slobber all over themselves to PROVE that they were unconditional supporters of Israel…just who the hell do they work for? Certainly not for the interests of the American people and the United States…they should renounce their United States citizenship and be deported to Israel…

    The United States government gets its “marching orders” from Israel. THAT is a major problem, with dual-nationality Israelis running our government and formulating both our foreign and domestic policy.
    “Cleaning the swamp” should involve getting rid of ALL dual-nationality types. There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for anyone having “dual loyalties” in MY country.

    Impossible. That would mean eliminating all of the Ivy League graduates working in and around Washington and most of the University graduates from places like UCLA, Stanford, etc, where the professors are all descended from Teachers sharing the same philosophy found pervading the Ivies. It’s impossible.
    A philosophical parasite has taken control of all the bodily functions of the American entity, and except for the bump called Trump, has dictated all operations for the last hundred and fifty years. Possibly longer. It grooms candidates through the two political parties, decides which will inspire the most support, then insures the selection by way of it’s control of the media ( see Marshall McLuhan).
    It took six generations for the parasitic Communists to wither in the former USSR. It will take just as long in America.
    It’s a religion. A belief system. Too many people are bound up economically, spiritually, and emotionally in what exists today. If you want to know what exists today, tune in to any of the major television channels. Try Fox, the right wing network. Or go to a movie. Millions do, every day.
    As always, suppression of dissenters is ongoing, when there is any fear of effectiveness. (Those dissenters who are not suppressed are not really dissenters. They are provocateurs. They exist to stir the pot. Keep the excitement level up.) The internet has proven to be a slight liability, unless it’s value to the parasite is simply as a way to keep an eye on true dissenters.

    Quoting from the bible, all of this too, shall pass.

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  • @anarchyst
    The United States government gets its “marching orders” from Israel. THAT is a major problem, with dual-nationality Israelis running our government and formulating both our foreign and domestic policy.

    “Cleaning the swamp” should involve getting rid of ALL dual-nationality types. There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for anyone having “dual loyalties” in MY country.

    In addition, Israel holds a “Damocles sword” over the rest of the world with its “undocumented nukes”…
    If a nuclear device is “lit off” in an American or European city, it will have Israel’s fingerprints all over it. Israel is desperate to keep the American money spigot running, as well as sabotaging the Palestinian “peace process” that the world wants it to take seriously.

    In fact, if a nuclear device is “lit off” anywhere in the world, it will have come from Israel’s secret nuclear “stockpile”.

    The “power outage” in Atlanta was a convenient excuse for Israel to perform a logistical “sleight of hand”, as an Israeli plane was allowed to land and take off during the “power outage” without receiving customs clearance or inspection. Just maybe another one of Israel’s nukes was just being pre-positioned, getting ready for “the big one”. As most Americans are tired of all of the foreign wars being fought for Israel’s benefit, another “incident” on American soil would be enough to galvanize the American public, once again, (just like WTC 9-11) to support another war for Israel’s benefit. Israel’s “samson option” is a real threat to “light one off” in a European or American city, if Israel’s interests are not taken seriously.

    Israel refuses to abide by IAEA guidelines concerning its nukes as they are already distributed around the world. Israel would not be able to produce all of them as most of them are not in Israel, proper. No delivery systems are needed as Israel’s nukes are already “in place”. Look for another “false flag” operation with the blame being put on Iran or Syria. You can bet that some Iranian or Syrian passports will be found in the rubble.

    Israel also threatens to detonate nuclear devices in several US cities. Talk about total INSANITY; the so-called “Samson Option” is it.

    As an aside, American “foreign aid” is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the “Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty” or refuses to abide by “International Atomic Energy Agency” (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices. Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American “foreign aid”. This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their “agents of a foreign government” with the U S State Department. Guess what?? Israel (again) with its “American Israel Political Action Committee” (AIPAC) still gets “foreign aid” in contravention of American law..

    There are forty or so congressmen, senators and thousands of high-level policy “wonks” infecting the U S government who hold “dual citizenship” with Israel. Such dual citizenship must be strictly prohibited. Those holding dual citizenship must be required to renounce said foreign citizenship. Refusal to do so should result in immediate deportation with loss of American citizenship. Present and former holders of dual citizenship should never be allowed to serve in any American governmental capacity.

    When Netanyahu addressed both houses of congress, it was sickening to see our politicians slobber all over themselves to PROVE that they were unconditional supporters of Israel…just who the hell do they work for? Certainly not for the interests of the American people and the United States…they should renounce their United States citizenship and be deported to Israel…

    I’ve never had the nerve myself to bring up the question of why, when nobody else in the Middle East has even atomic bombs, Israel spent 10% of its GNP for a number of years to get to hydrogen bombs.

    The answer is, of course, that they’re not for Arabs, or even for Russia- because Russia was a collapsing non-factor in the years during which Israel reached for this capability- the 1990′s- and sacrificed so much to get there.

    The hydrogen bombs are not for Arabs, or for Russia, or for Europe. They are for the only conceivable enemy that could truly threaten Israel: the United States.

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  • Let’s hope Gen. Jim Mattis and the US military will deter Trump from more war-mongering. Trump is a child playing with nuclear matches. Putin may even help Trump find a way out of this game of nuclear chicken, as he did with President Obama. That is, provided the neocons clustered around him don’t manage to trigger a war with Russia.

    it is ok, according to anatoly, for the price of 80% of our economy and 60 million dead, we can win the nuclear war and be the winner!!!

    yay!!!

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  • Wars for Israel are bad, and if Israel sank to the bottom of the ocean I honestly wouldn’t care, but that doesn’t mean I can’t likewise hate Islam. If muslims stay put where they belong, don’t enter White countries, and don’t stir up crap, then that’s fine. But I can’t stand them anymore than I can stand the Israelis.

    I am a Christian, and have no choice but to hate evil. Deal with it.

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  • @Dani
    Anarchyst, I'm overwhelmed with competing emotions having read your spot-on, critically relevant, all-inclusive, PERFECT summation of our American Disgrace. Every contributing factor an informed American could possibly call to mind is represented here and any American who is not painfully aware of every thing contained within the first and last words of this article need to make it a priority TO BE!!

    Thank you for your intelligent critique of my article. Please feel free to disseminate this in any form on any forum that you have access to. We need to get the word out. Best regards,

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  • Anarchyst, I’m overwhelmed with competing emotions having read your spot-on, critically relevant, all-inclusive, PERFECT summation of our American Disgrace. Every contributing factor an informed American could possibly call to mind is represented here and any American who is not painfully aware of every thing contained within the first and last words of this article need to make it a priority TO BE!!

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    Thank you for your intelligent critique of my article. Please feel free to disseminate this in any form on any forum that you have access to. We need to get the word out. Best regards,
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  • Well-played framing of the issues.

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  • The United States government gets its “marching orders” from Israel. THAT is a major problem, with dual-nationality Israelis running our government and formulating both our foreign and domestic policy.

    “Cleaning the swamp” should involve getting rid of ALL dual-nationality types. There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for anyone having “dual loyalties” in MY country.

    In addition, Israel holds a “Damocles sword” over the rest of the world with its “undocumented nukes”…
    If a nuclear device is “lit off” in an American or European city, it will have Israel’s fingerprints all over it. Israel is desperate to keep the American money spigot running, as well as sabotaging the Palestinian “peace process” that the world wants it to take seriously.

    In fact, if a nuclear device is “lit off” anywhere in the world, it will have come from Israel’s secret nuclear “stockpile”.

    The “power outage” in Atlanta was a convenient excuse for Israel to perform a logistical “sleight of hand”, as an Israeli plane was allowed to land and take off during the “power outage” without receiving customs clearance or inspection. Just maybe another one of Israel’s nukes was just being pre-positioned, getting ready for “the big one”. As most Americans are tired of all of the foreign wars being fought for Israel’s benefit, another “incident” on American soil would be enough to galvanize the American public, once again, (just like WTC 9-11) to support another war for Israel’s benefit. Israel’s “samson option” is a real threat to “light one off” in a European or American city, if Israel’s interests are not taken seriously.

    Israel refuses to abide by IAEA guidelines concerning its nukes as they are already distributed around the world. Israel would not be able to produce all of them as most of them are not in Israel, proper. No delivery systems are needed as Israel’s nukes are already “in place”. Look for another “false flag” operation with the blame being put on Iran or Syria. You can bet that some Iranian or Syrian passports will be found in the rubble.

    Israel also threatens to detonate nuclear devices in several US cities. Talk about total INSANITY; the so-called “Samson Option” is it.

    As an aside, American “foreign aid” is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the “Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty” or refuses to abide by “International Atomic Energy Agency” (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices. Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American “foreign aid”. This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their “agents of a foreign government” with the U S State Department. Guess what?? Israel (again) with its “American Israel Political Action Committee” (AIPAC) still gets “foreign aid” in contravention of American law..

    There are forty or so congressmen, senators and thousands of high-level policy “wonks” infecting the U S government who hold “dual citizenship” with Israel. Such dual citizenship must be strictly prohibited. Those holding dual citizenship must be required to renounce said foreign citizenship. Refusal to do so should result in immediate deportation with loss of American citizenship. Present and former holders of dual citizenship should never be allowed to serve in any American governmental capacity.

    When Netanyahu addressed both houses of congress, it was sickening to see our politicians slobber all over themselves to PROVE that they were unconditional supporters of Israel…just who the hell do they work for? Certainly not for the interests of the American people and the United States…they should renounce their United States citizenship and be deported to Israel…

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    I've never had the nerve myself to bring up the question of why, when nobody else in the Middle East has even atomic bombs, Israel spent 10% of its GNP for a number of years to get to hydrogen bombs.

    The answer is, of course, that they're not for Arabs, or even for Russia- because Russia was a collapsing non-factor in the years during which Israel reached for this capability- the 1990's- and sacrificed so much to get there.

    The hydrogen bombs are not for Arabs, or for Russia, or for Europe. They are for the only conceivable enemy that could truly threaten Israel: the United States.

    , @HallParvey


    The United States government gets its “marching orders” from Israel. THAT is a major problem, with dual-nationality Israelis running our government and formulating both our foreign and domestic policy.
    “Cleaning the swamp” should involve getting rid of ALL dual-nationality types. There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for anyone having “dual loyalties” in MY country.
     
    Impossible. That would mean eliminating all of the Ivy League graduates working in and around Washington and most of the University graduates from places like UCLA, Stanford, etc, where the professors are all descended from Teachers sharing the same philosophy found pervading the Ivies. It’s impossible.
    A philosophical parasite has taken control of all the bodily functions of the American entity, and except for the bump called Trump, has dictated all operations for the last hundred and fifty years. Possibly longer. It grooms candidates through the two political parties, decides which will inspire the most support, then insures the selection by way of it’s control of the media ( see Marshall McLuhan).
    It took six generations for the parasitic Communists to wither in the former USSR. It will take just as long in America.
    It’s a religion. A belief system. Too many people are bound up economically, spiritually, and emotionally in what exists today. If you want to know what exists today, tune in to any of the major television channels. Try Fox, the right wing network. Or go to a movie. Millions do, every day.
    As always, suppression of dissenters is ongoing, when there is any fear of effectiveness. (Those dissenters who are not suppressed are not really dissenters. They are provocateurs. They exist to stir the pot. Keep the excitement level up.) The internet has proven to be a slight liability, unless it’s value to the parasite is simply as a way to keep an eye on true dissenters.

    Quoting from the bible, all of this too, shall pass.
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  • For a candidate who once proposed a normal relationship with Russia, just peace in the Mideast, and an end to America’s foreign wars

    Trump is an idiotic shallow little man. But the problem is now that Russia has shown that it will not stand up to the US there is nothing to stop this hegemonic shithole.

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  • There was something refreshing about watching former French president Nicholas Sarkozy being interrogated in a French jail. Particularly since he may soon be accused of conspiracy in the murder of my old friend, Col. Muammar Khadaffi of Libya. Sarkozy and his former chief of staff, Claude Guéant, are being investigated for secretly accepting at least...
  • TT says:

    Some interesting old articles on Sarkosky, as CIA & Mossad assets, Jewish link.

    Operation Sarkozy : how the CIA placed one of its agents at the presidency of the French Republic See how Sarkosky grow up, his US links and propelled to France Prez.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/operation-sarkozy-how-the-cia-placed-one-of-its-agents-at-the-presidency-of-the-french-republic/10060

    Sarkozy accused of working for Israeli intelligence

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/sarkozy-accused-of-working-for-israeli-intelligence/7245

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  • @annamaria
    http://www.voltairenet.org/article200488.html
    "The Turkish Press Agency, Anadolu Agency, has published a map of five secret military bases in Syria belonging to France... Under international law, France’s military presence in Syria is illegal."
    --And why and for what these French nationals are prepared to die? For Mr. Macron (who is childless) politicking?

    Very surprising on the face of it. One base needs an explanation for its purpose but five????

    Who says “illegal”? And how so? When were they established? What was the Syriam government’s position at the time? (Does it reallyhave much to do with the recently elected Macron?).

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  • @Godfree Roberts
    Get serious. Such people are political hobbyists. Why? Because they refuse to wade in the sewer.

    Sewer-wading is a prerequisite for election and you and I and everyone knows that.

    And another thing. Would you call a single issue fanatic or enthusiast whose one issue was pro-life or saving the Sacred Lake a hobbyist? Minority parties and independents often trade their votes in legislatures on major tax measures for something that no government would voluntarily legislate for.

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  • http://www.voltairenet.org/article200488.html

    “The Turkish Press Agency, Anadolu Agency, has published a map of five secret military bases in Syria belonging to France… Under international law, France’s military presence in Syria is illegal.”
    –And why and for what these French nationals are prepared to die? For Mr. Macron (who is childless) politicking?

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    Very surprising on the face of it. One base needs an explanation for its purpose but five????

    Who says "illegal"? And how so? When were they established? What was the Syriam government's position at the time? (Does it reallyhave much to do with the recently elected Macron?).
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  • Don’t forget the French attempt to assassinate the crew of the Rainbow Warrior.

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  • If for nothing else, Gaddhafi deserves the recognition of having predicted the twin surges of Islamism and of immigration across the Med should Libya be dismantled by NATO, as it was.

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  • @Godfree Roberts
    Get serious. Such people are political hobbyists. Why? Because they refuse to wade in the sewer.

    Sewer-wading is a prerequisite for election and you and I and everyone knows that.

    What makes you think thete’s omly a financial sewer? The Greens have their own ways of being appalling but, unfortunately, they are no hobbyists.

    And you didn’t wriggle hard enough to evade the weight of my offering a federal Minister as an example. Moreover hers is a typical case in our system of government.

    Let me offer another aid to your understanding. Australia has compusory registration to vote, and voting, for all citizens over 18. So 80 to 90+ per cent vote and the American problem of getting out the vote doesn’t have to be dealt with in any major way. There are fewer scare tactics and less money spent.

    If you were talking about buying votes with public money by making extravagant promises at election time you would be closer to a truth. But that is what parties as a whole do in my country not individuals.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    I did. Read again. Senator Richard di Natale is current head of the Greens - and without private money just to cover your added quibble and a possible one.

    And let me rub in my emphasis on your continentaly insular ignorance by nominating Kelly O'Dwyer the Assistant Treasurer (or Minister of Finance) who was one of two preselected toon candidates for her seat, the other being a self made multi millionaire.

    Get serious. Such people are political hobbyists. Why? Because they refuse to wade in the sewer.

    Sewer-wading is a prerequisite for election and you and I and everyone knows that.

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    What makes you think thete's omly a financial sewer? The Greens have their own ways of being appalling but, unfortunately, they are no hobbyists.

    And you didn't wriggle hard enough to evade the weight of my offering a federal Minister as an example. Moreover hers is a typical case in our system of government.

    Let me offer another aid to your understanding. Australia has compusory registration to vote, and voting, for all citizens over 18. So 80 to 90+ per cent vote and the American problem of getting out the vote doesn't have to be dealt with in any major way. There are fewer scare tactics and less money spent.

    If you were talking about buying votes with public money by making extravagant promises at election time you would be closer to a truth. But that is what parties as a whole do in my country not individuals.

    , @Wizard of Oz
    And another thing. Would you call a single issue fanatic or enthusiast whose one issue was pro-life or saving the Sacred Lake a hobbyist? Minority parties and independents often trade their votes in legislatures on major tax measures for something that no government would voluntarily legislate for.
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  • @Godfree Roberts
    Just answer my question.

    Also #33

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    I did. Read again. Senator Richard di Natale is current head of the Greens - and without private money just to cover your added quibble and a possible one.

    And let me rub in my emphasis on your continentaly insular ignorance by nominating Kelly O'Dwyer the Assistant Treasurer (or Minister of Finance) who was one of two preselected toon candidates for her seat, the other being a self made multi millionaire.

    Oops! Preselection candidates. As I am having to take new space I add the fact that she was one of the first candidates chosen under the party’s then new system of allowing every registered local branch Liberal to turn up at the convention, ask questions, lobby and vote. It was a safe seat, recently vacated by her former boss the country’s longest serving Treasurer and supposed-one-day-to-be PM. The voting was close but she was backed by her predecessor and his then cronies who pushed her as the young hope for the future. That her opponent could easily have guaranteed to pay the whole cost of fending off a Green eruption in her upper middle class seat was disregarded**. (i was rude to point to the America – OK and China – limited range of your political horizon. I recall having to explain to the UK Deputy PM that our preferential system of voting was not proportional representation though we also have a bit of that for various legislative chambers).
    ** What happens as the Greens expand their minority vote – now I trust going backwards – is that the Greens candidate’s preferences will be given usually to Labor and vice versa. Fortunately, some of the “doctors’ wives”, as the relevant class of voters in once safe Liberal (i.e. right of centre) seats have been called, can’t quite bring themselves to follow the Greens preferences and elect Labor.

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  • @Godfree Roberts
    Just answer my question.

    I did. Read again. Senator Richard di Natale is current head of the Greens – and without private money just to cover your added quibble and a possible one.

    And let me rub in my emphasis on your continentaly insular ignorance by nominating Kelly O’Dwyer the Assistant Treasurer (or Minister of Finance) who was one of two preselected toon candidates for her seat, the other being a self made multi millionaire.

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    Oops! Preselection candidates. As I am having to take new space I add the fact that she was one of the first candidates chosen under the party's then new system of allowing every registered local branch Liberal to turn up at the convention, ask questions, lobby and vote. It was a safe seat, recently vacated by her former boss the country's longest serving Treasurer and supposed-one-day-to-be PM. The voting was close but she was backed by her predecessor and his then cronies who pushed her as the young hope for the future. That her opponent could easily have guaranteed to pay the whole cost of fending off a Green eruption in her upper middle class seat was disregarded**. (i was rude to point to the America - OK and China - limited range of your political horizon. I recall having to explain to the UK Deputy PM that our preferential system of voting was not proportional representation though we also have a bit of that for various legislative chambers).
    ** What happens as the Greens expand their minority vote - now I trust going backwards - is that the Greens candidate's preferences will be given usually to Labor and vice versa. Fortunately, some of the "doctors' wives", as the relevant class of voters in once safe Liberal (i.e. right of centre) seats have been called, can't quite bring themselves to follow the Greens preferences and elect Labor.
    , @Godfree Roberts
    Get serious. Such people are political hobbyists. Why? Because they refuse to wade in the sewer.

    Sewer-wading is a prerequisite for election and you and I and everyone knows that.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Talk about pots and kettles! I refer to the hand waving allusion.

    You obviously know nothing about most countries but are trying to wriggle out of it by adding "not personally wealthy" to which the slightest imagination should have caused you to add reference to family wealth. If you want one name - which is absurd - I'll give you Bob Brown a national Senator from Tasmania and until recently head of the Greens Party. (Equally his successor Richard di Natale).

    You would obviously be surprised to learn that when I was actively concerned the then dominant (because of Catholic- Communist splits in the Labor Party) Liberal Party in Victoria had a rule against candidates soliciting donations which all were meant, for the sake of propriety, to go through the party. Now it is likely that a friendly support group will hold a subscription lunch at whuch the mrmber/candidate will be at least one of the speakers.

    There have long been legal limits on campaign spending by the candidate as to which he has to lodge a declaration. OK not all that difficult to get round, but it is safe to say that securing party preselection and endorsement is what matters to 90 per cent of Australian politicians. There is much less freedom to vote against party positions (virtually none in the Labor Party) and no question of candidates/members being able to say "I won a primary on these pledges: that is my mandate, not party policy". The ideal is just to accrue allies in the party so you win preselection for a safe electorate. Some are so safe that any constituency party fundraising is likely to result in funds being handed over to those campaigning in marginal seats.

    Even the unions' ownership of Labor politicians is not much about money. It is much more about preselection votes for what are often safe seats that need no campaigning (though the Greens are now giving trouble on the inner city left). A fortiori for the faction heads/fixers who get themselves on to the Senate (or state upper house) ballot paper as top of the list of party candidates to be elected by proportional representation on the Hare-Clark system.

    There is also substantial public funding of election campaigns. While that which I know about is based on the number of first preference votes a party's candidates have already obtained in the recent election the number is reasonably predictable.

    Just answer my question.

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    I did. Read again. Senator Richard di Natale is current head of the Greens - and without private money just to cover your added quibble and a possible one.

    And let me rub in my emphasis on your continentaly insular ignorance by nominating Kelly O'Dwyer the Assistant Treasurer (or Minister of Finance) who was one of two preselected toon candidates for her seat, the other being a self made multi millionaire.

    , @Wizard of Oz
    Also #33
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  • Le pion des Desmarais a fricoté avec le régime de Khadafi avant de s’en débarasser :

    https://vigile.quebec/articles/financement-libyen-de-la-campagne-de-2007-nicolas-sarkozy-place-en-garde-a-v

    Preparation for the colonization of Africa (Kebek 2008):

    ON TARGET: Current Mess In Libya: How Much Is Canada To Blame?

    2000 laser-guided bombs dropped on Libya thanks to CFB Bagotville and AIPAC’s Irwin Cotler who gave the ok for the no-fly zone at the UNSC.

    http://espritdecorps.ca/on-target-4/on-target-current-mess-in-libya-how-much-is-canada-to-blame?rq=libya

    Preparation of the next G7 (i.e., IRAN):

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Talk about pots and kettles! I refer to the hand waving allusion.

    You obviously know nothing about most countries but are trying to wriggle out of it by adding "not personally wealthy" to which the slightest imagination should have caused you to add reference to family wealth. If you want one name - which is absurd - I'll give you Bob Brown a national Senator from Tasmania and until recently head of the Greens Party. (Equally his successor Richard di Natale).

    You would obviously be surprised to learn that when I was actively concerned the then dominant (because of Catholic- Communist splits in the Labor Party) Liberal Party in Victoria had a rule against candidates soliciting donations which all were meant, for the sake of propriety, to go through the party. Now it is likely that a friendly support group will hold a subscription lunch at whuch the mrmber/candidate will be at least one of the speakers.

    There have long been legal limits on campaign spending by the candidate as to which he has to lodge a declaration. OK not all that difficult to get round, but it is safe to say that securing party preselection and endorsement is what matters to 90 per cent of Australian politicians. There is much less freedom to vote against party positions (virtually none in the Labor Party) and no question of candidates/members being able to say "I won a primary on these pledges: that is my mandate, not party policy". The ideal is just to accrue allies in the party so you win preselection for a safe electorate. Some are so safe that any constituency party fundraising is likely to result in funds being handed over to those campaigning in marginal seats.

    Even the unions' ownership of Labor politicians is not much about money. It is much more about preselection votes for what are often safe seats that need no campaigning (though the Greens are now giving trouble on the inner city left). A fortiori for the faction heads/fixers who get themselves on to the Senate (or state upper house) ballot paper as top of the list of party candidates to be elected by proportional representation on the Hare-Clark system.

    There is also substantial public funding of election campaigns. While that which I know about is based on the number of first preference votes a party's candidates have already obtained in the recent election the number is reasonably predictable.

    Indeed there are other models for democratish government than that of the US and quite a few are less flyblown than the US plutocratic- with-democratic- rhetorical- flavouring model. I commend you, as an American, breaking the mould of American insularity to learn so much about China. But there is still a lot more diversity in the big wide world.

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  • @Godfree Roberts
    Instead of waving your hands and breathing heavily, can you provide an counter-example?

    A contemporary Western politician, not personally wealthy, who has NOT waded through that sewer?

    Talk about pots and kettles! I refer to the hand waving allusion.

    You obviously know nothing about most countries but are trying to wriggle out of it by adding “not personally wealthy” to which the slightest imagination should have caused you to add reference to family wealth. If you want one name – which is absurd – I’ll give you Bob Brown a national Senator from Tasmania and until recently head of the Greens Party. (Equally his successor Richard di Natale).

    You would obviously be surprised to learn that when I was actively concerned the then dominant (because of Catholic- Communist splits in the Labor Party) Liberal Party in Victoria had a rule against candidates soliciting donations which all were meant, for the sake of propriety, to go through the party. Now it is likely that a friendly support group will hold a subscription lunch at whuch the mrmber/candidate will be at least one of the speakers.

    There have long been legal limits on campaign spending by the candidate as to which he has to lodge a declaration. OK not all that difficult to get round, but it is safe to say that securing party preselection and endorsement is what matters to 90 per cent of Australian politicians. There is much less freedom to vote against party positions (virtually none in the Labor Party) and no question of candidates/members being able to say “I won a primary on these pledges: that is my mandate, not party policy”. The ideal is just to accrue allies in the party so you win preselection for a safe electorate. Some are so safe that any constituency party fundraising is likely to result in funds being handed over to those campaigning in marginal seats.

    Even the unions’ ownership of Labor politicians is not much about money. It is much more about preselection votes for what are often safe seats that need no campaigning (though the Greens are now giving trouble on the inner city left). A fortiori for the faction heads/fixers who get themselves on to the Senate (or state upper house) ballot paper as top of the list of party candidates to be elected by proportional representation on the Hare-Clark system.

    There is also substantial public funding of election campaigns. While that which I know about is based on the number of first preference votes a party’s candidates have already obtained in the recent election the number is reasonably predictable.

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    Indeed there are other models for democratish government than that of the US and quite a few are less flyblown than the US plutocratic- with-democratic- rhetorical- flavouring model. I commend you, as an American, breaking the mould of American insularity to learn so much about China. But there is still a lot more diversity in the big wide world.
    , @Godfree Roberts
    Just answer my question.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Your "all" is the most damaging word you could have used to uphold your credibility on UR. Sorry to see you descend to the aĺl too frequent bluster of UR commenters. You didn't even bother to use "often" in a way which clarified and possibly justified your assertion.

    So we are left with a seriously unquantified version of your beliefs about, or knowledge of what you assert. Given the US plutocracy's demographic weight there may be a promising start for your real case but... it doesn't take it far.

    If you turn your mind to facts you might care to theorise about the differences between presidential systems like the US and France and parliamentary systems like most of the Anglosphere.

    Instead of waving your hands and breathing heavily, can you provide an counter-example?

    A contemporary Western politician, not personally wealthy, who has NOT waded through that sewer?

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    Talk about pots and kettles! I refer to the hand waving allusion.

    You obviously know nothing about most countries but are trying to wriggle out of it by adding "not personally wealthy" to which the slightest imagination should have caused you to add reference to family wealth. If you want one name - which is absurd - I'll give you Bob Brown a national Senator from Tasmania and until recently head of the Greens Party. (Equally his successor Richard di Natale).

    You would obviously be surprised to learn that when I was actively concerned the then dominant (because of Catholic- Communist splits in the Labor Party) Liberal Party in Victoria had a rule against candidates soliciting donations which all were meant, for the sake of propriety, to go through the party. Now it is likely that a friendly support group will hold a subscription lunch at whuch the mrmber/candidate will be at least one of the speakers.

    There have long been legal limits on campaign spending by the candidate as to which he has to lodge a declaration. OK not all that difficult to get round, but it is safe to say that securing party preselection and endorsement is what matters to 90 per cent of Australian politicians. There is much less freedom to vote against party positions (virtually none in the Labor Party) and no question of candidates/members being able to say "I won a primary on these pledges: that is my mandate, not party policy". The ideal is just to accrue allies in the party so you win preselection for a safe electorate. Some are so safe that any constituency party fundraising is likely to result in funds being handed over to those campaigning in marginal seats.

    Even the unions' ownership of Labor politicians is not much about money. It is much more about preselection votes for what are often safe seats that need no campaigning (though the Greens are now giving trouble on the inner city left). A fortiori for the faction heads/fixers who get themselves on to the Senate (or state upper house) ballot paper as top of the list of party candidates to be elected by proportional representation on the Hare-Clark system.

    There is also substantial public funding of election campaigns. While that which I know about is based on the number of first preference votes a party's candidates have already obtained in the recent election the number is reasonably predictable.

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  • @Den Lille Abe
    Sarkozy corrupt? But of course he is Sybil! The last honest President they had in France was DeGaulle.
    Engeland and the US prolly never had an honest head of state or it is so long ago allhas been forgotten

    Who is “Engeland’s’” head of state (sic)? Or the UK’s if your actual knowledge is up to understanding your solecism that I am pointing to?

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  • @Godfree Roberts
    "French political candidates often have to wade through the sewers to finance their campaigns"?

    ALL Western political candidates often have to wade through the sewers to finance their campaigns. That's why the US has pushed its ridiculous model of two party 'democracy' and that's why we have the CIA and the NSA: their job is to blackmail politicians–domestic and foreign–by detecting their sewer-wading excursions.

    That's why they all line up when the whip is cracked, and blame Russia (or attack Syria) on the basis of ridiculous allegations.

    Your “all” is the most damaging word you could have used to uphold your credibility on UR. Sorry to see you descend to the aĺl too frequent bluster of UR commenters. You didn’t even bother to use “often” in a way which clarified and possibly justified your assertion.

    So we are left with a seriously unquantified version of your beliefs about, or knowledge of what you assert. Given the US plutocracy’s demographic weight there may be a promising start for your real case but… it doesn’t take it far.

    If you turn your mind to facts you might care to theorise about the differences between presidential systems like the US and France and parliamentary systems like most of the Anglosphere.

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    Instead of waving your hands and breathing heavily, can you provide an counter-example?

    A contemporary Western politician, not personally wealthy, who has NOT waded through that sewer?
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  • @DESERT FOX
    It would be great to see all the Zionist neocons who were responsible for 911 in prison here in the U.S..

    All, you say? Now that would be cause for a new public holiday in recognition of it and for the instigator a place on Mt Rushmore.

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  • France enters the scene of the Skripal affair: https://www.rt.com/news/422871-russia-questions-uk-skripal-case/ “14 simple yet crucial questions London needs to answer”
    “1. Why has Russia been denied the right of consular access to the two Russian citizens, who came to harm on British territory?
    2. What specific antidotes and in what form were the victims injected with? How did such antidotes come into the possession of British doctors at the scene of the incident?
    3. On what grounds was France involved in technical cooperation in the investigation of the incident, in which Russian citizens were injured?
    4. Did the UK notify the OPCW (Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons) of France’s involvement in the investigation of the Salisbury incident?
    5. What does France have to do with the incident, involving two Russian citizens in the UK?
    6. What rules of UK procedural legislation allow for the involvement of a foreign state in an internal investigation?
    7. What evidence was handed over to France to be studied and for the investigation to be conducted?
    8. Were the French experts present during the sampling of biomaterial from Sergei and Yulia Skripal?
    9. Was the study of biomaterials from Sergei and Yulia Skripal conducted by the French experts and, if so, in which specific laboratories?
    10. Does the UK have the materials involved in the investigation carried out by France?
    11. Have the results of the French investigation been presented to the OPCW Technical Secretariat?
    12. Based on what attributes was the alleged “Russian origin” of the substance used in Salisbury established?
    13. Does the UK have control samples of the chemical warfare agent, which British representatives refer to as “Novichok”?
    14. Have the samples of a chemical warfare agent of the same type as “Novichok” (in accordance with British terminology) or its analogs been developed in the UK?”

    — Some commenters believe that the “French connection” in the Skripal affair has its roots in France’ involvement in Lybia and Syria.

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  • Meanwhile, in Queendom, the Skripal affair is coming to the next stage for Theresa and Boris (and their ziocon handlers):
    Embassy Press Officer on unanswered questions [old ones] regarding the Salisbury poisoning:
    Question: At yesterday’s briefing, the Official Representative of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that the Embassy had asked quite a few questions that remain unanswered. What are those questions?
    Answer: Indeed, we are witnessing a blatant violation by the UK of its international obligations under the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations and the 1968 bilateral Consular Convention. We have not received a response to our multiple questions and requests made through diplomatic notes. Failure by Britain to engage in the normal diplomatic exchange with the Embassy on this matter is regrettable.
    The questions to which we are awaiting answers are as follows:

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    1) What is Mr and Ms Skripal’s exact diagnosis and condition?
    2) What treatment are they receiving?
    3) Is that treatment the same as that provided to Sgt Nick Bailey?
    4) Is it true that Yulia Skripal has regained consciousness and can communicate, eat and drink?
    5) Mr Bailey has been discharged, Yulia Skripal is getting better, but why is Sergei Skripal still in a critical condition?
    6) Did Mr Bailey, Mr Skripal and Ms Skripal receive antidotes?
    7) Which antidotes?
    8) How were the right antidotes identified?
    9) Did they actually help or harm?
    10) The Embassy immediately informed the FCO that Mr Skripal’s niece has been enquiring of her uncle’s and cousin’s health. Why have the authorities ignored her?
    11) Why are there no photos/videos confirming that the Skripals are alive and at hospital?
    12) Did the Skripals agree on Salisbury CCTV footage to be shown on TV?
    13) If not, who agreed on their behalf?
    14) Can that person also agree on hospital photos/videos to be published?
    15) Why are consuls not allowed to see the Skripals?
    16) How are doctors protected against chemical exposure?
    17) Can consuls use the same protection?
    18) Where, how and by whom were blood samples collected from the Skripals?
    19) How was it documented?
    20) Who can certify that the data is credible?
    21) How can we be sure that the chain of custody was up to international standards?
    22) Through what methods did experts identify the substance so quickly?
    23) Had they possessed a sample against which to test the substance?
    24) Where had that sample come from?
    25) Nerve agents act immediately. Why was it not the case with the Skripals?
    26) Leaks suggest the Skripals were poisoned at a pub, at a restaurant, in their car, at the airport, at home… Which version is the official one?
    27) How to reconcile quick political moves with Scotland Yard’s statement that the investigation will take “months”?

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  • You take a 50 million gift from a guy — then when politically expedient and profitable – you kill him.

    No matter how you slice it – Sarkozy is a disgusting human being.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. Politicians are the scum of the Earth. Don’t you want to vomit when they tell each other “thank you for your service?”

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  • @anonymous
    This sort of lifts the cover a bit on the fact that the leadership of the much-touted western democracies run things like mafia bosses. If a person isn't a complete cynic by age thirty then they've had their head in the sand all along.

    “British intelligence, MI6, also tried to assassinate Khadaffi by means of a car bomb in Benghazi, Libya, but failed, though many civilians were killed.”
    – When people like Steele and Allen are M16′ stars, expect stupidity and incompetence flourish.

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  • “France was interested in Libya’s high quality oil … ”

    Correct. It was sweet (low or no sulphur) light (requiring less refining than heavier crudes such as Venezuela’s) and a short distance from a major market … Europe.

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  • Sarkozy corrupt? But of course he is Sybil! The last honest President they had in France was DeGaulle.
    Engeland and the US prolly never had an honest head of state or it is so long ago allhas been forgotten

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    Who is "Engeland's'" head of state (sic)? Or the UK's if your actual knowledge is up to understanding your solecism that I am pointing to?
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  • Sarkozy is a scumbag no doubt but the real reason the French media and authorities started to go after him and his Party is because he a friend of Putin, a cardinal sin in the West today, also his Party would become more anti-Islam and anti-immigration with Francois Fillon who political career was derailed by corruption charges.

    Macron has been groomed to be President for a long time, the job with the Rotshchilds and being in the 2014 Bilderberg conference when he was nobody is a proof of this.

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  • Marenches told me the bomb was secreted aboard the plane, then removed when relations with Tripoli improved.

    And you believed him? Maybe you did not but could not resist name dropping. Margolis is disappointing as usual.

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  • @jilles dykstra
    Not all, with us, the Netherlands, the only case we know of is the VVD, the party of present prime minister Rutte.
    In the seventies Heineken illegally financed the VVD to undermine socialist Den Uyl, who tried to create a more or less centrally directed economy.
    At the time, Rutte was still a university, I suppose.
    But it succeeded, the Den Uyl era ended around 1980.
    I maybe should mention that Dutch political parties are subsidised with taxpayer's money, once they exist.

    Yes, the Dutch have always been willing to experiment with rational forms of government. They don’t get enough credit for that.

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  • It would be great to see all the Zionist neocons who were responsible for 911 in prison here in the U.S..

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    All, you say? Now that would be cause for a new public holiday in recognition of it and for the instigator a place on Mt Rushmore.
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  • Sarkozy turned full whore for the Anglo-American Empire, which means he may well scoot away free as a bird. But then again, the WASP Empire, even before it became obvious it was an Anglo-Zionist Empire, proved ever ready to back stab those who had done dirty deeds for it.

    The Anglo-Zionist Empire could hire some Mohammedans to take him out, and then use their press to blame it all on the racist French right.

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  • Obama continues to be protected for having assiduously carried out the Deep State’s agenda.

    Until he does a Khadaffi.

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  • @Byrresheim

    That’s why they all line up when the whip is cracked, and blame Russia (or attack Syria) on the basis of ridiculous allegations.
     
    For a longtime I had the suspicion that being a potential victim of blackmail is not a disqualification but rather the first necessary step toward a high flung career.

    Saves so much trouble …

    For a longtime I had the suspicion that being a potential victim of blackmail is not a disqualification but rather the first necessary step toward a high flung career.

    No doubt.

    Do you know the story of Woody Wilson’s rise to power?

    The Trumpster got selected by Big Mafia probably because he’s extremely vulnerable to blackmail as well.

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  • @Byrresheim

    That’s why they all line up when the whip is cracked, and blame Russia (or attack Syria) on the basis of ridiculous allegations.
     
    For a longtime I had the suspicion that being a potential victim of blackmail is not a disqualification but rather the first necessary step toward a high flung career.

    Saves so much trouble …

    For a long time, I had the suspicion that being a potential victim of blackmail is not a disqualification but rather the first necessary step toward a high flung career.

    This idea periodically surfaces on the Utz Review: The Deep State will only run political candidates who are tainted and subject to blackmail. There has to be something hidden in their “closets”. This ensures loyalty and deference to the Deep State’s political and economic agendas. (It also helps to have direct or familial connections to the CIA: H. W. Bush, Clinton, G. W. Bush, Omaba.) JFK and Trump show what happens to accidental political candidates who deviate from that agenda.

    The other side of this is that the Deep State protects its agents and sycophants. The Obama administration maintains it was squeaky clean … no subterranean rumors of mistresses, prostitutes, or interns.

    So, what did the Deep State have on Obama? There has to be something. Yes, it occasionally appears and quickly disappears down the memory hole. Obama continues to be protected for having assiduously carried out the Deep State’s agenda.

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  • BlogviewEric Margolis Archive
    Sarkozy’s Hand in the French Cookie Jar?

    Apparently Netanyhoo’s too.

    Netanyahu, wife, son questioned by police in corruption case

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/03/26/police-question-netanyahu-in-telecom-case-for-second-time.amp.html

    And Trump’s hands in girlies’ panties.

    Why, without “leadership,” we’d have an-arkee!!!” ‘N kay-oss ‘n stuff!

    An’ never fergit, Eye-ran ‘n Russhya are de enemy!!! ;)

    “The adversary is closer to home; it’s the Pentagon bureaucracy…”

    - Donald Rumsfeld on Sept. 10, 2001

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU

    And behind every Pentagon slinks a Hexagon…

    But there were other enemies within, anyone who dared voice any skepticism about their grand plans…

    - Jim Lobe , How neo-cons influence the Pentagon …

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH08Ak01.html

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  • Will China’s paramount leader Xi Jinping disprove Lord Acton’s famous maxim that all power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely? Are we entering an era where many of the world’s great nations are ruled by strongmen, despots or modern monarchs? Look at America’s would-be king, Donald Trump; Russia’s Vlad Putin; and India’s Narendra Modi. China’s...
  • @Anon
    Even if Xi rules for longer, he wont' be a Mao. I think he's looking to emulate Lee Kwan Yu.

    Chiang Kai-Shek ruled for life but he wasn't crazy like Mao.

    Mao was really an anomaly. He rose to power through sheer struggle, violence, chance, and chaos.
    No stable order would have allowed such a turbulent personality to rise to the top. He fed on the chaos all around him.

    In contrast, Xi rose by doing hard within the system. And I think his aim is to strengthen the system, not just himself.

    Still, I agree it is worrying. Two term idea was pretty sound.

    Xi rose because he is a princeling, he is backed by other powerful princes. This is the reassertion of power of the crown princes by purging the non-royal blooded enunchs: jiang zeming, zhou yongkang.

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  • There was something refreshing about watching former French president Nicholas Sarkozy being interrogated in a French jail. Particularly since he may soon be accused of conspiracy in the murder of my old friend, Col. Muammar Khadaffi of Libya. Sarkozy and his former chief of staff, Claude Guéant, are being investigated for secretly accepting at least...
  • @Godfree Roberts
    "French political candidates often have to wade through the sewers to finance their campaigns"?

    ALL Western political candidates often have to wade through the sewers to finance their campaigns. That's why the US has pushed its ridiculous model of two party 'democracy' and that's why we have the CIA and the NSA: their job is to blackmail politicians–domestic and foreign–by detecting their sewer-wading excursions.

    That's why they all line up when the whip is cracked, and blame Russia (or attack Syria) on the basis of ridiculous allegations.

    Not all, with us, the Netherlands, the only case we know of is the VVD, the party of present prime minister Rutte.
    In the seventies Heineken illegally financed the VVD to undermine socialist Den Uyl, who tried to create a more or less centrally directed economy.
    At the time, Rutte was still a university, I suppose.
    But it succeeded, the Den Uyl era ended around 1980.
    I maybe should mention that Dutch political parties are subsidised with taxpayer’s money, once they exist.

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  • @The Anti-Gnostic

    When word leaked out from Saif, Sarkozy quickly ordered the attack on Libya. Dead men tell no tales. French intelligence is very skilled at rubbing out foes and nuisances.

    My surmise is that French justice will find some tenuous link between Sarkozy and Khadaffi’s murder, but no hard proof Sarko was directly involved.

     

    That doesn't seem so tenuous.

    In 2005 Sarko was minister of internal affairs, such as police and security.
    It was then that the French civil war began, Muslim insurrection in their ghetto’s, the banlieues.
    French people far from the big cities were frightened.
    Sarko put down the rebellions with harsh measures.
    It later was asserted that he had deliberately let the unrest escalate, in order to promote himself for the presidential elections.
    If this is true, I do not know, but he became president.
    Shortly after the election his wife left him ‘he only loves himself’.
    Sarko returned France into NATO.
    After his election Israeli newspapers were jubilant ‘he came from an old Greek jewish dynasty’.
    And this while Sarko is catholic.
    This did not prevent a number of antisemitic utterings directed against him in France during his presidency.
    BTW, there is no doubt that Hollande is a jew.
    If Macron is a jew, I wonder, he worked for Rothschild bank, where he was paid millions.

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  • What I miss is Reagan trying to kill Ghadaffi,by USA bombing ‘the mad dog of Africa’, or of the Middle East, I forgot.
    How Reagan was fooled into this bombing by Mossad, that planted a transmitter close to Ghadaffi’s residence:
    Victor Ostrovsky, ‘Mossad – the other side of deception’, 1994

    Ghadaffi of course was a dictator, the only form of government that is possible in a tribal culture, but he did great things, such as the Man Made River.
    Transporting deep underground water from the Sahara to the coastal area over a distance of, do not remember exactly, 2000 km.
    If it still functions now, I wonder.

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  • “Khadaffi had made the fatal mistake of telling his eldest son, Saif al-Islam”

    How do you know that? Why is Khadaffi dead and Al-Islam alive?

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  • anonymous[283] • Disclaimer says:

    This sort of lifts the cover a bit on the fact that the leadership of the much-touted western democracies run things like mafia bosses. If a person isn’t a complete cynic by age thirty then they’ve had their head in the sand all along.

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    "British intelligence, MI6, also tried to assassinate Khadaffi by means of a car bomb in Benghazi, Libya, but failed, though many civilians were killed."
    -- When people like Steele and Allen are M16' stars, expect stupidity and incompetence flourish.
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  • When word leaked out from Saif, Sarkozy quickly ordered the attack on Libya. Dead men tell no tales. French intelligence is very skilled at rubbing out foes and nuisances.

    My surmise is that French justice will find some tenuous link between Sarkozy and Khadaffi’s murder, but no hard proof Sarko was directly involved.

    That doesn’t seem so tenuous.

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    In 2005 Sarko was minister of internal affairs, such as police and security.
    It was then that the French civil war began, Muslim insurrection in their ghetto's, the banlieues.
    French people far from the big cities were frightened.
    Sarko put down the rebellions with harsh measures.
    It later was asserted that he had deliberately let the unrest escalate, in order to promote himself for the presidential elections.
    If this is true, I do not know, but he became president.
    Shortly after the election his wife left him 'he only loves himself'.
    Sarko returned France into NATO.
    After his election Israeli newspapers were jubilant 'he came from an old Greek jewish dynasty'.
    And this while Sarko is catholic.
    This did not prevent a number of antisemitic utterings directed against him in France during his presidency.
    BTW, there is no doubt that Hollande is a jew.
    If Macron is a jew, I wonder, he worked for Rothschild bank, where he was paid millions.
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  • @Godfree Roberts
    "French political candidates often have to wade through the sewers to finance their campaigns"?

    ALL Western political candidates often have to wade through the sewers to finance their campaigns. That's why the US has pushed its ridiculous model of two party 'democracy' and that's why we have the CIA and the NSA: their job is to blackmail politicians–domestic and foreign–by detecting their sewer-wading excursions.

    That's why they all line up when the whip is cracked, and blame Russia (or attack Syria) on the basis of ridiculous allegations.

    That’s why they all line up when the whip is cracked, and blame Russia (or attack Syria) on the basis of ridiculous allegations.

    For a longtime I had the suspicion that being a potential victim of blackmail is not a disqualification but rather the first necessary step toward a high flung career.

    Saves so much trouble …

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    For a long time, I had the suspicion that being a potential victim of blackmail is not a disqualification but rather the first necessary step toward a high flung career.
     
    This idea periodically surfaces on the Utz Review: The Deep State will only run political candidates who are tainted and subject to blackmail. There has to be something hidden in their "closets". This ensures loyalty and deference to the Deep State's political and economic agendas. (It also helps to have direct or familial connections to the CIA: H. W. Bush, Clinton, G. W. Bush, Omaba.) JFK and Trump show what happens to accidental political candidates who deviate from that agenda.

    The other side of this is that the Deep State protects its agents and sycophants. The Obama administration maintains it was squeaky clean ... no subterranean rumors of mistresses, prostitutes, or interns.

    So, what did the Deep State have on Obama? There has to be something. Yes, it occasionally appears and quickly disappears down the memory hole. Obama continues to be protected for having assiduously carried out the Deep State's agenda.
    , @jacques sheete

    For a longtime I had the suspicion that being a potential victim of blackmail is not a disqualification but rather the first necessary step toward a high flung career.
     
    No doubt.

    Do you know the story of Woody Wilson's rise to power?

    The Trumpster got selected by Big Mafia probably because he's extremely vulnerable to blackmail as well.
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  • “French political candidates often have to wade through the sewers to finance their campaigns”?

    ALL Western political candidates often have to wade through the sewers to finance their campaigns. That’s why the US has pushed its ridiculous model of two party ‘democracy’ and that’s why we have the CIA and the NSA: their job is to blackmail politicians–domestic and foreign–by detecting their sewer-wading excursions.

    That’s why they all line up when the whip is cracked, and blame Russia (or attack Syria) on the basis of ridiculous allegations.

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    That’s why they all line up when the whip is cracked, and blame Russia (or attack Syria) on the basis of ridiculous allegations.
     
    For a longtime I had the suspicion that being a potential victim of blackmail is not a disqualification but rather the first necessary step toward a high flung career.

    Saves so much trouble …
    , @jilles dykstra
    Not all, with us, the Netherlands, the only case we know of is the VVD, the party of present prime minister Rutte.
    In the seventies Heineken illegally financed the VVD to undermine socialist Den Uyl, who tried to create a more or less centrally directed economy.
    At the time, Rutte was still a university, I suppose.
    But it succeeded, the Den Uyl era ended around 1980.
    I maybe should mention that Dutch political parties are subsidised with taxpayer's money, once they exist.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Your "all" is the most damaging word you could have used to uphold your credibility on UR. Sorry to see you descend to the aĺl too frequent bluster of UR commenters. You didn't even bother to use "often" in a way which clarified and possibly justified your assertion.

    So we are left with a seriously unquantified version of your beliefs about, or knowledge of what you assert. Given the US plutocracy's demographic weight there may be a promising start for your real case but... it doesn't take it far.

    If you turn your mind to facts you might care to theorise about the differences between presidential systems like the US and France and parliamentary systems like most of the Anglosphere.

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  • What damned cheek to murder a Russian defector and his daughter in the sleepy town of Salisbury! Britain, the US, Germany and Canada are all blasting Russia for this dastardly act that was apparently committed using a new nerve agent allegedly made in Russia known to the media as ‘Novichok.’ The victims of the attack,...
  • The British diplomatic and media tantrum over the “Salisbury” incident is a grand fabrication to redirect the public’s attention away from Prime Minister May’s failed BRITEX effort. The whole thing is preposterous. Britain (or what remains of it) militarily threatening Russia?

    I doubt if Britain is militarily capable of protecting the English Channel. To wit: The much vaunted British Navy of history aside, Britain today does not appear able to turn back the invasion of Third World immigrants that is currently threatening the existence of Britain as a national entity.

    Talk about a “Paper Tiger”.

    P.S. I’m pondering whether Britain, Sweden, or California will be the first Western political entity to expire due to the hysteria born from a feminized culture grounded in emotion, irrationality, and inconsistency.

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  • @Binyamin
    Russian security agents, with or without Kremlin's approval carried out a nerve gas attack on British Soil. Within days another Russian exile was murdered in his London flat. The Russian agents knew that Britain is too weak a country (compared to Russian military might) to retaliate. Firstly, half the most desirable London addresses are populated by Russian gangsters and secondly the Russian assassins understood that their government has too much incriminating evidence on the guy who loves eating McDonald in bed while watching Fox News and who currently has barricaded himself in the White House. One almost longs for the certainly of the Cold War era when we all knew who the bad guys were and not a shot was fired in anger between the West and the Ruskies. Neither side killed the other's agents, least of all in each other's countries.

    Mr Netanyahu, I am glad to see that you could join us here at unz.com. Thank you for spilling your Mossad wisdom.

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  • Russian security agents, with or without Kremlin’s approval carried out a nerve gas attack on British Soil. Within days another Russian exile was murdered in his London flat. The Russian agents knew that Britain is too weak a country (compared to Russian military might) to retaliate. Firstly, half the most desirable London addresses are populated by Russian gangsters and secondly the Russian assassins understood that their government has too much incriminating evidence on the guy who loves eating McDonald in bed while watching Fox News and who currently has barricaded himself in the White House. One almost longs for the certainly of the Cold War era when we all knew who the bad guys were and not a shot was fired in anger between the West and the Ruskies. Neither side killed the other’s agents, least of all in each other’s countries.

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    Mr Netanyahu, I am glad to see that you could join us here at unz.com. Thank you for spilling your Mossad wisdom.
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  • To me, a veteran intelligence watcher..

    simply does not compute with

    Secret Air Service (SAS)

    “Secret”?!
    Not “Special”?

    Some inside joke?

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  • @James N. Kennett

    But moral outrage won’t buy you lunch. Serious observers must begin asking the obvious question, ‘if the wicked Vlad Putin ordered this crime, why?’ A week before Russia’s national elections? At a time when Russia is being badly hurt by US-imposed trade and financial sanctions?
     
    Because Russian voters are patriotic people who like to see that Russia is powerful, and can strike its traitors wherever they hide. A week before elections is a great time to commit such a crime, and allows enough time for Theresa May's impotent reaction to be ridiculed and dismissed.

    Why would Russia use an easily-identified, signature weapon instead of bullets, an untraceable lethal spray (ask the CIA about these) or a seeming accident? Why a deadly toxin when a jab in the neck with a needle would do just as well?
     
    Because they want people to know that Russia is responsible for the attack. They are sending a message to the world that Russia is not to be trifled with, and its traitors have no place to hide. They have a history of using signature weapons: Litvinenko was killed with a dose of Polonium 210 that was so large it had a commercial value of $10 million.

    To me, a veteran intelligence watcher and the only journalist shown the KGB’s collection of spycraft,
     
    It is possible they tell every foreign visitor they are the only one privileged to see the collection.

    I suspect the attack on the Skripals was more likely done by rogue Russian intelligence agents or by an old-boys network of revenge-seeking retired KGB agents.
     
    Maybe so, but the Russian state is nevertheless responsible for safeguarding its stocks of chemical weapons. Stocks that it agreed to destroy when it ratified the Chemical Weapons Convention.

    It’s my belief that it was the KGB that overthrew Boris Yeltsin and installed one of its agents, Vladimir Putin, in power. In 1988, I was told this would happen by KGB’s two most senior officials at its Lubyanka headquarters in Moscow.
     
    They must have been remarkably prescient, because this was three years before Yeltsin came to power!

    British bombs bought by Saudi Arabia are now blasting Yemen, killing thousands.
     
    Agreed, this trade is a disgrace.

    The full story of Secret Air Service (SAS) lethal operations in Yemen and Oman remain to be told.
     
    There have been at least two books on the "secret war" in Oman already.

    Agree.

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  • “I suspect the attack on the Skripals was more likely done by rogue Russian intelligence agents or by an old-boys network of revenge-seeking retired KGB agents.”

    Maybe.

    But he was not ex-KGB.

    He was ex-military intelligence whose recruits were routinely made to watch a film, complete with sound track, of the execution of a traitor who was strapped down and slowly fed into a furnace feet first.

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  • @Ronald Thomas West
    This Margolis article is a load of self-aggrandizing horse sh*t from nose to tail. Better is the following from a real intelligence hand:

    Mirzayanov’s book, published in 2008, contains the formulas he alleges can be used to create Novichoks. In 1995, he explained that “the chemical components or precursors” of Novichok are “ordinary organophosphates that can be made at commercial chemical companies that manufacture such products as fertilizers and pesticides.”

    If his claims are remotely accurate, then that means Novichoks can actually be manufactured by anyone who reads Mirzayanov’s book with access to a decent laboratory. Which means that Theresa May’s claim that Novichoks lead only to Russia is little more than a deception.
    Other states have Novichok capabilities, but the British government doesn’t want to investigate them

    The OPCW’s authoritative verdict on Russia’s now destroyed chemical weapons capabilities should be enough to give anyone pause for thought in rushing to judgement concerning Russian responsibility for the Novichok attack.

    Instead, the British government appears to have no interest in investigating the fact that there are other state agencies with significant nerve agent capabilities. Like its ally, the United States.

    Under Boris Yeltsin, who won Russian elections thanks to Western covert meddling, the Russian government had declared that it was not stockpiling Novichok. This is why Yeltsin did not report Novichok’s existence under chemical-weapons conventions at the time — because the official Russian position was that the stockpiles no longer existed.

    It turns out the Americans themselves were involved in the dismantlement of Russia’s remaining Novichok capabilities.

    In August 1999, as the BBC reported, US defence experts arrived in Uzbekistan to help “dismantle and decontaminate one of the former Soviet Union’s largest chemical weapons testing facilities.” The facility was known as “a major research site for a new generation of secret, highly lethal chemical weapons, known as Novichok”, and provided the US ample opportunity to learn about this nerve agent and reproduce it for testing and defence purposes.

    But it is not just the US. According to Craig Murray — former US Ambassador to Uzbekistan and prior to that a longtime career diplomat in the UK Foreign Office who worked across Africa, Eastern Europe, and Central Asia — the British government itself has advanced capabilities in Novichok:

    “The ‘novochok’ group of nerve agents — a very loose term simply for a collection of new nerve agents the Soviet Union were developing fifty years ago — will almost certainly have been analysed and reproduced by Porton Down. That is entirely what Porton Down is there for. It used to make chemical and biological weapons as weapons, and today it still does make them in small quantities in order to research defences and antidotes. After the fall of the Soviet Union Russian chemists made a lot of information available on these nerve agents. And one country which has always manufactured very similar persistent nerve agents is Israel.”

    But the British government doesn’t want to investigate Porton Down, not even to rule out the possibility that it may have ‘lost control’ of some of its Novichok stockpiles.
    Porton Down: proudly experimenting with nerve gas on the British public from the 1950s to 1989

    Perhaps the government is worried about what it might actually discover if it asks too many questions about Porton Down itself.

    The facility has a somewhat chequered history in relation to the abuse of chemical and biological weapons programmes that has been largely forgotten. This history illustrates that the British government has not at all been averse to using chemical and biological weapons on its own population, just to see what happens.

    Two years ago, the Independent reported on new historical research which found that during the Cold War, the British government “used the general public as unwitting biological and chemical warfare guinea pigs on a much greater scale than previously thought.”

    Read more:

    https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-british-governments-russia-nerve-agent-claims-are-bullshit-a69b4ee484ce

     

    Welcome back RTW, really glad to see you back.

    Just one small correction from me: not this article then most articles by this CIA journalist, Margolis, are the way you describe, self-aggrandising horsesh*t. But he has his own following.

    http://www.unz.com/article/russian-to-judgement/#comment-2251074

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  • @Dan Hayes
    The "operation" was too sloppy unless it was purposefully designed to publicize the event. Would Russia or any of its minions deliberately injure innocent bystanders and thereby inflame public opinion with fear. Very unlikely.

    Look for the culprit or culprits much closer to, if not, at home!

    Most likely this was done by the British government. It is, sadly, not uncommon for Western governments to kill their own people in false flag events or unnecessary wars to promote a political agenda or provide riches to the elite. Two of the worst in America over the last 70 years are the Korean war and Vietnam war, where 10′s of thousands were slaughtered.

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  • Trying really hard to remember the last time the British government told the truth in the last 20 or so years – and coming up empty. I just can’t recall a single instance. It’s an uninterrupted chain of lies, as far as I am concerned. Sometimes they lie more, sometimes less, but they avoid truth like a plague.
    My heartfelt condolences go to the ordinary British people who absolutely don’t deserve to be ruled by this unscrupulous scum.

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  • There is much more to this than meets the eye.

    The one country that has definitely made Novichoks, all 6 in fact, is Iran.

    Skripal was not living in quiet retirement. He was involved in compiling the Fusion GPC/Orbis dossier on Trump. He was potentially of interest to the CIA, FSB, MI6 and Mossad all at once. The story is too long to reproduce here but here is a link to my Blog post on this.

    https://waleseuroperussiafuture.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/revenge-of-spies-how-to-become-target.html

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  • That someone other than the Russian state carried this out appears far more likely. If the Russian state wanted to kill him, it would have been a lot simpler to do so during the 5.5 years he was in jail in Russia after being convicted of treason. It should be noted that he betrayed no soviet spies, as he began working for the British in 1995.

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  • Occam’s razor says go with the simplest explanation.
    Qui Bono mean s always ask “who benefits.”

    When looked at in those terms, the spy and assasination agencies (license to kill) in the UK are the obvious places that any competent and independent investigator should be looking for the murderer. Most likely with CIA support.

    This story about Russia using an unknown Soviet nerve agent when Russia has destroyed all such agents under international supervision (but of which the UK obviously has samples) would be rejected as ridiculous and too far-fetched to be even the plot-line for the next Bond movie.

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  • This Margolis article is a load of self-aggrandizing horse sh*t from nose to tail. Better is the following from a real intelligence hand:

    [MORE]

    Mirzayanov’s book, published in 2008, contains the formulas he alleges can be used to create Novichoks. In 1995, he explained that “the chemical components or precursors” of Novichok are “ordinary organophosphates that can be made at commercial chemical companies that manufacture such products as fertilizers and pesticides.”

    If his claims are remotely accurate, then that means Novichoks can actually be manufactured by anyone who reads Mirzayanov’s book with access to a decent laboratory. Which means that Theresa May’s claim that Novichoks lead only to Russia is little more than a deception.
    Other states have Novichok capabilities, but the British government doesn’t want to investigate them

    The OPCW’s authoritative verdict on Russia’s now destroyed chemical weapons capabilities should be enough to give anyone pause for thought in rushing to judgement concerning Russian responsibility for the Novichok attack.

    Instead, the British government appears to have no interest in investigating the fact that there are other state agencies with significant nerve agent capabilities. Like its ally, the United States.

    Under Boris Yeltsin, who won Russian elections thanks to Western covert meddling, the Russian government had declared that it was not stockpiling Novichok. This is why Yeltsin did not report Novichok’s existence under chemical-weapons conventions at the time — because the official Russian position was that the stockpiles no longer existed.

    It turns out the Americans themselves were involved in the dismantlement of Russia’s remaining Novichok capabilities.

    In August 1999, as the BBC reported, US defence experts arrived in Uzbekistan to help “dismantle and decontaminate one of the former Soviet Union’s largest chemical weapons testing facilities.” The facility was known as “a major research site for a new generation of secret, highly lethal chemical weapons, known as Novichok”, and provided the US ample opportunity to learn about this nerve agent and reproduce it for testing and defence purposes.

    But it is not just the US. According to Craig Murray — former US Ambassador to Uzbekistan and prior to that a longtime career diplomat in the UK Foreign Office who worked across Africa, Eastern Europe, and Central Asia — the British government itself has advanced capabilities in Novichok:

    “The ‘novochok’ group of nerve agents — a very loose term simply for a collection of new nerve agents the Soviet Union were developing fifty years ago — will almost certainly have been analysed and reproduced by Porton Down. That is entirely what Porton Down is there for. It used to make chemical and biological weapons as weapons, and today it still does make them in small quantities in order to research defences and antidotes. After the fall of the Soviet Union Russian chemists made a lot of information available on these nerve agents. And one country which has always manufactured very similar persistent nerve agents is Israel.”

    But the British government doesn’t want to investigate Porton Down, not even to rule out the possibility that it may have ‘lost control’ of some of its Novichok stockpiles.
    Porton Down: proudly experimenting with nerve gas on the British public from the 1950s to 1989

    Perhaps the government is worried about what it might actually discover if it asks too many questions about Porton Down itself.

    The facility has a somewhat chequered history in relation to the abuse of chemical and biological weapons programmes that has been largely forgotten. This history illustrates that the British government has not at all been averse to using chemical and biological weapons on its own population, just to see what happens.

    Two years ago, the Independent reported on new historical research which found that during the Cold War, the British government “used the general public as unwitting biological and chemical warfare guinea pigs on a much greater scale than previously thought.”

    Read more:

    https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-british-governments-russia-nerve-agent-claims-are-bullshit-a69b4ee484ce

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    Welcome back RTW, really glad to see you back.

    Just one small correction from me: not this article then most articles by this CIA journalist, Margolis, are the way you describe, self-aggrandising horsesh*t. But he has his own following.

    http://www.unz.com/article/russian-to-judgement/#comment-2251074

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  • @hyperbola
    The Brits have a LONG history of attacking their own population for the benefit of their corrupt elite.

    The UK Government is Manufacturing its Nerve Agent Case for ‘Action’ on Russia
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48952.htm

    .... The British government’s line has been chorused uncritically by the entire global press corps, with little scrutiny of its plausibility. But there is a problem: far from offering a clear-cut evidence-trail to Vladimir Putin’s chemical warfare labs, the use of Novichok in the nerve gas attack on UK soil points to a wider set of potential suspects, of which Russia is in fact the least likely.....

    .... But it is not just the US. According to Craig Murray — former US Ambassador to Uzbekistan and prior to that a longtime career diplomat in the UK Foreign Office who worked across Africa, Eastern Europe, and Central Asia — the British government itself has advanced capabilities in Novichok:

    “The ‘novochok’ group of nerve agents — a very loose term simply for a collection of new nerve agents the Soviet Union were developing fifty years ago — will almost certainly have been analysed and reproduced by Porton Down. That is entirely what Porton Down is there for. It used to make chemical and biological weapons as weapons, and today it still does make them in small quantities in order to research defences and antidotes. After the fall of the Soviet Union Russian chemists made a lot of information available on these nerve agents. And one country which has always manufactured very similar persistent nerve agents is Israel.”

    But the British government doesn’t want to investigate Porton Down, not even to rule out the possibility that it may have ‘lost control’ of some of its Novichok stockpiles.....

    Porton Down: proudly experimenting with nerve gas on the British public from the 1950s to 1989

    Perhaps the government is worried about what it might actually discover if it asks too many questions about Porton Down itself.

    The facility has a somewhat chequered history in relation to the abuse of chemical and biological weapons programmes that has been largely forgotten. This history illustrates that the British government has not at all been averse to using chemical and biological weapons on its own population, just to see what happens.

    Two years ago, the Independent reported on new historical research which found that during the Cold War, the British government “used the general public as unwitting biological and chemical warfare guinea pigs on a much greater scale than previously thought.” Over 750 secret operations had been carried out on “hundreds of thousands of ordinary Britons” involving “biological and chemical warfare attacks launched from aircraft, ships and road vehicles.”.....
    _______________________________________________________________

    This looks more like another false flag by the Brit government than anything else.

    WMD Lies Strike Again: The Skripal Incident
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48993.htm
    .... The fact that the alleged creator of Novichok agents – Vil Mirzayanov – fled to and currently lives in the United States suggests the West has both knowledge of and the means to create Novichok agents themselves.....

    The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48995.htm

    I have now received confirmation that Porton Down scientists are not able to identify the nerve gas as being of Russian manufacture.....

    .... To summarise:

    1) Porton Down has acknowledged in publications it has never seen any Russian “novichoks”. The UK government has absolutely no “fingerprint” information such as impurities that can safely attribute this substance to Russia.
    2) Until now, neither Porton Down nor the world’s experts at the Organisation for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) were convinced “Novichoks” even exist.
    3) The UK is refusing to provide a sample to the OPCW.
    4) “Novichoks” were specifically designed to be able to be manufactured from common ingredients on any scientific bench. The Americans dismantled and studied the facility that allegedly developed them. It is completely untrue only the Russians could make them, if anybody can.
    5) The “Novichok” programme was in Uzbekistan not in Russia. Its legacy was inherited by the Americans during their alliance with Karimov, not by the Russians.....

    Absolutely, hyperbola.
    Indeed, these Novichoks are not even a banned substance by the OPCW, on the basis that there is, as you point out, no evidence that they even exist.
    So full marks to the UK for an amazing bit of science: the identification (in a matter of days) of a substance that apparently doesn’t exist. No wonder they’re a bit hesitant to share their “evidence” with anyone, including the OPCW….

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  • “What damned cheek to murder a Russian defector and his daughter in the sleepy town of Salisbury! Britain, the US, Germany and Canada are all blasting Russia for this dastardly act that was apparently committed using a new nerve agent allegedly made in Russia known to the media as ‘Novichok.’”

    It’s not new.

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  • The “operation” was too sloppy unless it was purposefully designed to publicize the event. Would Russia or any of its minions deliberately injure innocent bystanders and thereby inflame public opinion with fear. Very unlikely.

    Look for the culprit or culprits much closer to, if not, at home!

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    Most likely this was done by the British government. It is, sadly, not uncommon for Western governments to kill their own people in false flag events or unnecessary wars to promote a political agenda or provide riches to the elite. Two of the worst in America over the last 70 years are the Korean war and Vietnam war, where 10's of thousands were slaughtered.
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  • @hyperbola
    The Brits have a LONG history of attacking their own population for the benefit of their corrupt elite.

    The UK Government is Manufacturing its Nerve Agent Case for ‘Action’ on Russia
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48952.htm

    .... The British government’s line has been chorused uncritically by the entire global press corps, with little scrutiny of its plausibility. But there is a problem: far from offering a clear-cut evidence-trail to Vladimir Putin’s chemical warfare labs, the use of Novichok in the nerve gas attack on UK soil points to a wider set of potential suspects, of which Russia is in fact the least likely.....

    .... But it is not just the US. According to Craig Murray — former US Ambassador to Uzbekistan and prior to that a longtime career diplomat in the UK Foreign Office who worked across Africa, Eastern Europe, and Central Asia — the British government itself has advanced capabilities in Novichok:

    “The ‘novochok’ group of nerve agents — a very loose term simply for a collection of new nerve agents the Soviet Union were developing fifty years ago — will almost certainly have been analysed and reproduced by Porton Down. That is entirely what Porton Down is there for. It used to make chemical and biological weapons as weapons, and today it still does make them in small quantities in order to research defences and antidotes. After the fall of the Soviet Union Russian chemists made a lot of information available on these nerve agents. And one country which has always manufactured very similar persistent nerve agents is Israel.”

    But the British government doesn’t want to investigate Porton Down, not even to rule out the possibility that it may have ‘lost control’ of some of its Novichok stockpiles.....

    Porton Down: proudly experimenting with nerve gas on the British public from the 1950s to 1989

    Perhaps the government is worried about what it might actually discover if it asks too many questions about Porton Down itself.

    The facility has a somewhat chequered history in relation to the abuse of chemical and biological weapons programmes that has been largely forgotten. This history illustrates that the British government has not at all been averse to using chemical and biological weapons on its own population, just to see what happens.

    Two years ago, the Independent reported on new historical research which found that during the Cold War, the British government “used the general public as unwitting biological and chemical warfare guinea pigs on a much greater scale than previously thought.” Over 750 secret operations had been carried out on “hundreds of thousands of ordinary Britons” involving “biological and chemical warfare attacks launched from aircraft, ships and road vehicles.”.....
    _______________________________________________________________

    This looks more like another false flag by the Brit government than anything else.

    WMD Lies Strike Again: The Skripal Incident
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48993.htm
    .... The fact that the alleged creator of Novichok agents – Vil Mirzayanov – fled to and currently lives in the United States suggests the West has both knowledge of and the means to create Novichok agents themselves.....

    The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48995.htm

    I have now received confirmation that Porton Down scientists are not able to identify the nerve gas as being of Russian manufacture.....

    .... To summarise:

    1) Porton Down has acknowledged in publications it has never seen any Russian “novichoks”. The UK government has absolutely no “fingerprint” information such as impurities that can safely attribute this substance to Russia.
    2) Until now, neither Porton Down nor the world’s experts at the Organisation for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) were convinced “Novichoks” even exist.
    3) The UK is refusing to provide a sample to the OPCW.
    4) “Novichoks” were specifically designed to be able to be manufactured from common ingredients on any scientific bench. The Americans dismantled and studied the facility that allegedly developed them. It is completely untrue only the Russians could make them, if anybody can.
    5) The “Novichok” programme was in Uzbekistan not in Russia. Its legacy was inherited by the Americans during their alliance with Karimov, not by the Russians.....

    But the British government doesn’t want to investigate Porton Down, not even to rule out the possibility that it may have ‘lost control’ of some of its Novichok stockpiles…..

    Allow me to suggest an alternative explanation. Such an investigation did indeed take place, and it was concluded very quickly, because Porton Down disposed of its Novichok not years but decades ago, in order to comply with the Chemical Weapons Convention.

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  • But moral outrage won’t buy you lunch. Serious observers must begin asking the obvious question, ‘if the wicked Vlad Putin ordered this crime, why?’ A week before Russia’s national elections? At a time when Russia is being badly hurt by US-imposed trade and financial sanctions?

    Because Russian voters are patriotic people who like to see that Russia is powerful, and can strike its traitors wherever they hide. A week before elections is a great time to commit such a crime, and allows enough time for Theresa May’s impotent reaction to be ridiculed and dismissed.

    Why would Russia use an easily-identified, signature weapon instead of bullets, an untraceable lethal spray (ask the CIA about these) or a seeming accident? Why a deadly toxin when a jab in the neck with a needle would do just as well?

    Because they want people to know that Russia is responsible for the attack. They are sending a message to the world that Russia is not to be trifled with, and its traitors have no place to hide. They have a history of using signature weapons: Litvinenko was killed with a dose of Polonium 210 that was so large it had a commercial value of $10 million.

    To me, a veteran intelligence watcher and the only journalist shown the KGB’s collection of spycraft,

    It is possible they tell every foreign visitor they are the only one privileged to see the collection.

    I suspect the attack on the Skripals was more likely done by rogue Russian intelligence agents or by an old-boys network of revenge-seeking retired KGB agents.

    Maybe so, but the Russian state is nevertheless responsible for safeguarding its stocks of chemical weapons. Stocks that it agreed to destroy when it ratified the Chemical Weapons Convention.

    It’s my belief that it was the KGB that overthrew Boris Yeltsin and installed one of its agents, Vladimir Putin, in power. In 1988, I was told this would happen by KGB’s two most senior officials at its Lubyanka headquarters in Moscow.

    They must have been remarkably prescient, because this was three years before Yeltsin came to power!

    British bombs bought by Saudi Arabia are now blasting Yemen, killing thousands.

    Agreed, this trade is a disgrace.

    The full story of Secret Air Service (SAS) lethal operations in Yemen and Oman remain to be told.

    There have been at least two books on the “secret war” in Oman already.

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  • THIS PASSAGE

    Skripal was no innocent lamb. He had secretly worked for British intelligence MI6, betraying fellow Soviet agents, for years across Europe for money. He was given refuge in Britain after the Cold War. There is nothing lower in the intelligence game than an agent who betrays for money – a Judas with his 30 pieces of silver.

    is deliberately misleading. Mr Skripal is not a fugitive. He was released from prison in Russia as the result of a spy swap negotiation. For the Russians to subsequently try to murder him – if indeed they did – marks them out as dishonorable men, not keeping to their side of the bargain.

    Furthermore, apart from his daughter, many other British civilians were threatened by these chemicals and one – a policeman – has been made seriously ill. Assassinations or attempted assassinations at this level are supposed to be “clean” in that innocent third parties are never endangered. This also marks a falling away from the standards one expects in these matters. In fact the only people who routinely endanger civilians in their feuds are blacks. Are Russians the new blacks?

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  • Russia, by the way, is in the process of destroying its chemical weapons.

    A bit behind the times here:

    THE HAGUE, Netherlands – 27 September 2017 – The Director-General of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), Ambassador Ahmet Üzümcü, made a statement today marking the completion of the full destruction of the 39,967 metric tons of chemical weapons possessed by the Russian Federation.

    The Director-General stated: “The completion of the verified destruction of Russia’s chemical weapons programme is a major milestone in the achievement of the goals of the Chemical Weapons Convention. I congratulate Russia and I commend all of their experts who were involved for their professionalism and dedication.

    I also express my appreciation to the States Parties that assisted the Russian Federation with its destruction program and thank the OPCW staff who verified the destruction.”

    https://www.opcw.org/news/article/opcw-director-general-commends-major-milestone-as-russia-completes-destruction-of-chemical-weapons-stockpile-under-opcw-verification/

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  • The Brits have a LONG history of attacking their own population for the benefit of their corrupt elite.

    The UK Government is Manufacturing its Nerve Agent Case for ‘Action’ on Russia

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48952.htm

    …. The British government’s line has been chorused uncritically by the entire global press corps, with little scrutiny of its plausibility. But there is a problem: far from offering a clear-cut evidence-trail to Vladimir Putin’s chemical warfare labs, the use of Novichok in the nerve gas attack on UK soil points to a wider set of potential suspects, of which Russia is in fact the least likely…..

    …. But it is not just the US. According to Craig Murray — former US Ambassador to Uzbekistan and prior to that a longtime career diplomat in the UK Foreign Office who worked across Africa, Eastern Europe, and Central Asia — the British government itself has advanced capabilities in Novichok:

    “The ‘novochok’ group of nerve agents — a very loose term simply for a collection of new nerve agents the Soviet Union were developing fifty years ago — will almost certainly have been analysed and reproduced by Porton Down. That is entirely what Porton Down is there for. It used to make chemical and biological weapons as weapons, and today it still does make them in small quantities in order to research defences and antidotes. After the fall of the Soviet Union Russian chemists made a lot of information available on these nerve agents. And one country which has always manufactured very similar persistent nerve agents is Israel.”

    But the British government doesn’t want to investigate Porton Down, not even to rule out the possibility that it may have ‘lost control’ of some of its Novichok stockpiles…..

    Porton Down: proudly experimenting with nerve gas on the British public from the 1950s to 1989

    Perhaps the government is worried about what it might actually discover if it asks too many questions about Porton Down itself.

    The facility has a somewhat chequered history in relation to the abuse of chemical and biological weapons programmes that has been largely forgotten. This history illustrates that the British government has not at all been averse to using chemical and biological weapons on its own population, just to see what happens.

    Two years ago, the Independent reported on new historical research which found that during the Cold War, the British government “used the general public as unwitting biological and chemical warfare guinea pigs on a much greater scale than previously thought.” Over 750 secret operations had been carried out on “hundreds of thousands of ordinary Britons” involving “biological and chemical warfare attacks launched from aircraft, ships and road vehicles.”…..
    _______________________________________________________________

    This looks more like another false flag by the Brit government than anything else.

    WMD Lies Strike Again: The Skripal Incident

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48993.htm

    …. The fact that the alleged creator of Novichok agents – Vil Mirzayanov – fled to and currently lives in the United States suggests the West has both knowledge of and the means to create Novichok agents themselves…..

    The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48995.htm

    I have now received confirmation that Porton Down scientists are not able to identify the nerve gas as being of Russian manufacture…..

    …. To summarise:

    1) Porton Down has acknowledged in publications it has never seen any Russian “novichoks”. The UK government has absolutely no “fingerprint” information such as impurities that can safely attribute this substance to Russia.
    2) Until now, neither Porton Down nor the world’s experts at the Organisation for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) were convinced “Novichoks” even exist.
    3) The UK is refusing to provide a sample to the OPCW.
    4) “Novichoks” were specifically designed to be able to be manufactured from common ingredients on any scientific bench. The Americans dismantled and studied the facility that allegedly developed them. It is completely untrue only the Russians could make them, if anybody can.
    5) The “Novichok” programme was in Uzbekistan not in Russia. Its legacy was inherited by the Americans during their alliance with Karimov, not by the Russians…..

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    But the British government doesn’t want to investigate Porton Down, not even to rule out the possibility that it may have ‘lost control’ of some of its Novichok stockpiles…..
     
    Allow me to suggest an alternative explanation. Such an investigation did indeed take place, and it was concluded very quickly, because Porton Down disposed of its Novichok not years but decades ago, in order to comply with the Chemical Weapons Convention.
    , @animalogic
    Absolutely, hyperbola.
    Indeed, these Novichoks are not even a banned substance by the OPCW, on the basis that there is, as you point out, no evidence that they even exist.
    So full marks to the UK for an amazing bit of science: the identification (in a matter of days) of a substance that apparently doesn't exist. No wonder they're a bit hesitant to share their "evidence" with anyone, including the OPCW....
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  • Will China’s paramount leader Xi Jinping disprove Lord Acton’s famous maxim that all power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely? Are we entering an era where many of the world’s great nations are ruled by strongmen, despots or modern monarchs? Look at America’s would-be king, Donald Trump; Russia’s Vlad Putin; and India’s Narendra Modi. China’s...
  • @Astuteobservor II
    but it is good ammo for use in finger pointing and acting hoity toity.

    Which the financiers and supporters of the Deep State do.

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  • @Realist
    "Our current democratic western leaders are hardly role models for successful or enlightened leadership."

    That is true. The current action of western governments is a piss poor example of democracy.
    It is no concern of the US how China is ruled.

    but it is good ammo for use in finger pointing and acting hoity toity.

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    Which the financiers and supporters of the Deep State do.
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  • A massive quantity of rubbish has been written about government by those unable to distinguish the term “democratic” which is a method, and “democracy.” Today, spreading “democracy” has become an empty slogan used in order to facilitate transnational corporate oligarchy and the rule of international finance, usually under the threat of cruise missile strikes and economic sanctions.

    The authoritarian rule of a strong, benevolent and capable leader- elected “democratically” via plebiscite- beholden to no vested interest or elite and responsible only to his own people and their well being is better than any other form of government ever devised.

    However, since authoritarian rule obviously has many risks, the next best thing is a commonwealth or republic bound by inextricable ties to the rule of law and the traditions of the people.

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  • @TT
    You forgot to mention:

    Korea & Taiwan were colonized by Jp when China failed to defense it.

    Under India threat
    Nepal, repeatedly under India subversion, including having its entire pro-China Royal family massacre. The last Nepalese gov was under siege by India illegal massive migrants sent into Nepal border as swing votes, and oil embargo that China help to ease. And now its free from India clutch with strong China.

    Sri Lanka
    Under decades of India LTTE terrorists(back by West) secession threat. Then toppled of Rajapradesh gov. Now new Nagasena gov is under threat by Tamil & Muslim riots(US India). China had help SL defeated LTTE, provided economic support.

    Constantly under West threat & subversion but under China protection.

    Myanmar, NK, Cambodia, Laos. But now Vietnam believe Uncle Scam has change to a good man so she should give him another try.

    Philippine
    China just help Philippine to took back a city taken by US controlled ISIS. Terrorists leader said they will be back soon.

    Indonesia( Sukarno time)
    China too weak too protect, 1M massacre by CIA instigated atrocity to purge communist & Chinese, repeatedly. Now Saudi-wahabhi Muslim terrorists party is brewing for another anti-Chinese riots.

    Countries still awaiting China to liberate:
    Bhutan,
    which under weak China, was totally subjugated by India, it still cannot has any foreign relationship with anyone without India's permit. A large Indian army is stationed inside Bhutan.

    7 Sisters, the Nagaland still under India rape.

    Land China took back
    HK, Macau

    Land awaiting China to recover
    (Taiwan) - under Japan past colonization, US control now.

    South Tibet, still under India rape.

    Mongolia, forced independent by Soviet Union.

    Part of Xinjiang, Outer Manchuria, 1.5Mil sq Km? taken by Soviet when China Qing Dynasty was weak. Now under safekeeping by Russia to have a safe northern backyard from US.

    Russia officially received this territory by the unequal treaties of the Treaty of Aigun in 1858 and the Treaty of Peking in 1860. The northern part of the area was also in dispute between 1643 and 1689, with military conflicts between two empires.

    Outer Manchuria comprises the present-day Russian areas of Primorsky Krai, southern Khabarovsk Krai, the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, and Amur Oblast. Another Chinese claim adds the island of Sakhalin. Currently, the People's Republic of China has no claim to the territory.
     

    Tibet, Xinjiang, Mongolia and Manchuria lie on the other side of the Great Wall of China. They were not part of China. To the Han people they were a wild wasteland filled with uncivilized, dangerous Northern Barbarians who needed to be kept out of China. Hence the Great Wall.

    Of course the Wall did not stop the northern barbarians from eventually conquering and ruling the Han Chinese for many centuries.

    Btw, something similar happened in Europe between civilized Rome and their version of northern barbarians.

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  • Best is a democracy that defends and represents its people.

    Worst is a dictatorship that represses and replaces its people.

    BUT

    A dictatorship that defends and represents its people is better than a democracy that represses and replaces its people. Most Western Democracies are the latter.

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  • TT says:
    @DB Cooper
    "When China’s ruler is strong, China is strong."

    And when China is strong, its neighbors are secure.

    Exhibit one, the Ryukyu Kingdom
    When China was strong, the Ryukyu Kingdom maintain its independence until its was subsequently invaded and annexed by Japan to become Okinawa when China became weak.

    Exhibit two, the Kingdom of Sikkim
    The kingdom of Sikkim was briefly overran by the Nepalese during the 18th century and the exiled Sikkimese king appeal to China for help. The Qianlong emperor sent in troops to expel the Nepalese and restore the sovereignty of Sikkim. The kingdom was threatened again after India was created. The kingdom was subsequently invaded and annexed by India in 1975 when China became weak and was unable to lead its hand to help Sikkim even though the Sikkimese King appealed to China for help.

    Exhibit three, the Maldives
    Recently Maldives was threatened by India of imminent invasion (under the excuse of restoring democracy, what else?). Maldives responded by sending envoys to China, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for help. This time China is strong and is able to mobilize its fleet in the Indian ocean to handle the situation. India got the signal and back off.

    You forgot to mention:

    Korea & Taiwan were colonized by Jp when China failed to defense it.

    Under India threat
    Nepal, repeatedly under India subversion, including having its entire pro-China Royal family massacre. The last Nepalese gov was under siege by India illegal massive migrants sent into Nepal border as swing votes, and oil embargo that China help to ease. And now its free from India clutch with strong China.

    Sri Lanka
    Under decades of India LTTE terrorists(back by West) secession threat. Then toppled of Rajapradesh gov. Now new Nagasena gov is under threat by Tamil & Muslim riots(US India). China had help SL defeated LTTE, provided economic support.

    Constantly under West threat & subversion but under China protection.

    Myanmar, NK, Cambodia, Laos. But now Vietnam believe Uncle Scam has change to a good man so she should give him another try.

    Philippine
    China just help Philippine to took back a city taken by US controlled ISIS. Terrorists leader said they will be back soon.

    Indonesia( Sukarno time)
    China too weak too protect, 1M massacre by CIA instigated atrocity to purge communist & Chinese, repeatedly. Now Saudi-wahabhi Muslim terrorists party is brewing for another anti-Chinese riots.

    Countries still awaiting China to liberate:
    Bhutan,
    which under weak China, was totally subjugated by India, it still cannot has any foreign relationship with anyone without India’s permit. A large Indian army is stationed inside Bhutan.

    7 Sisters, the Nagaland still under India rape.

    Land China took back
    HK, Macau

    Land awaiting China to recover
    (Taiwan) – under Japan past colonization, US control now.

    South Tibet, still under India rape.

    Mongolia, forced independent by Soviet Union.

    Part of Xinjiang, Outer Manchuria, 1.5Mil sq Km? taken by Soviet when China Qing Dynasty was weak. Now under safekeeping by Russia to have a safe northern backyard from US.

    Russia officially received this territory by the unequal treaties of the Treaty of Aigun in 1858 and the Treaty of Peking in 1860. The northern part of the area was also in dispute between 1643 and 1689, with military conflicts between two empires.

    Outer Manchuria comprises the present-day Russian areas of Primorsky Krai, southern Khabarovsk Krai, the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, and Amur Oblast. Another Chinese claim adds the island of Sakhalin. Currently, the People’s Republic of China has no claim to the territory.

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    Tibet, Xinjiang, Mongolia and Manchuria lie on the other side of the Great Wall of China. They were not part of China. To the Han people they were a wild wasteland filled with uncivilized, dangerous Northern Barbarians who needed to be kept out of China. Hence the Great Wall.

    Of course the Wall did not stop the northern barbarians from eventually conquering and ruling the Han Chinese for many centuries.

    Btw, something similar happened in Europe between civilized Rome and their version of northern barbarians.
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  • TT says:

    China and India may go to war over the Himalayas and Burma (see my book ‘War at the Top of the World’).

    Eric, why would China & India go to war over Burma? China border can be understood as potential conflict zone.

    India is only capable in swallowing up small countries at its border, like 50+ princely states since its independent, Sikkim, and Bhutan(under total control), 7sisters like naga land. Even Sri Lanka was under India LTTE Tamil Tiger decades of terrorists war, Rajapradesh gov was toppled with CIA & India, still India couldn’t control SL.

    Bangladesh PM is currently under India control, but its subtly move towards China. Similarly India tried to control Nepal many times including had its entire Royal family massacre, illegally sending millions of Indian over to form swinging vote, & oil embargo, but still fail to control under China assistant. So is Mauritius Maldive now.

    Myanmar is large & strong enough to resist India invasion, and with China backing, even US Nato dare not try invade for last 50yrs. Vietnam & Korean wars had taught Uncle Scam the painful lesson. India is trying to sabotage China BRI by taking Swiite ports in Rakkhaine, but China don’t give a damn as it can easily build another one for its own BRI shipment, while India only continue to bleed without cargo to ship.

    Pakistan is the possible one hot spot, consider India is still trying to take Kashmir & having its RAW to disrupt China BRI in Pak.

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  • @Jason Liu
    Even if Xi goes south in his old age, even if there is a bloody transition, it's still another step towards ending the liberal democratic nightmare. Autocracy, for all its risks, is still the best form of governance ever tried. Including all the other ones.

    The best form if governance is a Republic which America had in the beginning but lost it to a liberal Democracy.

    A Republic combines the best features of a democracy with a autocracy like China has.

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  • Even if Xi goes south in his old age, even if there is a bloody transition, it’s still another step towards ending the liberal democratic nightmare. Autocracy, for all its risks, is still the best form of governance ever tried. Including all the other ones.

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    The best form if governance is a Republic which America had in the beginning but lost it to a liberal Democracy.

    A Republic combines the best features of a democracy with a autocracy like China has.
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  • Funny how he doesn’t mention Obama when talking about potential rulers for life. I seem to remember a lot of talk from Democrats a few years ago about trying to change the constitution to allow an Obama 3rd term.

    Of course, if Obama had tried to get in the way of Hillary, he might have ended up on the Clinton Body Count list.

    But, its become almost standard in American politics that if a President makes it through two terms unimpeached and with popularity almost intact, then the partisans of that party immediately start talking about changing the constitution and getting them a 3rd term.

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  • “When China’s ruler is strong, China is strong.”

    And when China is strong, its neighbors are secure.

    Exhibit one, the Ryukyu Kingdom
    When China was strong, the Ryukyu Kingdom maintain its independence until its was subsequently invaded and annexed by Japan to become Okinawa when China became weak.

    Exhibit two, the Kingdom of Sikkim
    The kingdom of Sikkim was briefly overran by the Nepalese during the 18th century and the exiled Sikkimese king appeal to China for help. The Qianlong emperor sent in troops to expel the Nepalese and restore the sovereignty of Sikkim. The kingdom was threatened again after India was created. The kingdom was subsequently invaded and annexed by India in 1975 when China became weak and was unable to lead its hand to help Sikkim even though the Sikkimese King appealed to China for help.

    Exhibit three, the Maldives
    Recently Maldives was threatened by India of imminent invasion (under the excuse of restoring democracy, what else?). Maldives responded by sending envoys to China, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for help. This time China is strong and is able to mobilize its fleet in the Indian ocean to handle the situation. India got the signal and back off.

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    • Replies: @TT
    You forgot to mention:

    Korea & Taiwan were colonized by Jp when China failed to defense it.

    Under India threat
    Nepal, repeatedly under India subversion, including having its entire pro-China Royal family massacre. The last Nepalese gov was under siege by India illegal massive migrants sent into Nepal border as swing votes, and oil embargo that China help to ease. And now its free from India clutch with strong China.

    Sri Lanka
    Under decades of India LTTE terrorists(back by West) secession threat. Then toppled of Rajapradesh gov. Now new Nagasena gov is under threat by Tamil & Muslim riots(US India). China had help SL defeated LTTE, provided economic support.

    Constantly under West threat & subversion but under China protection.

    Myanmar, NK, Cambodia, Laos. But now Vietnam believe Uncle Scam has change to a good man so she should give him another try.

    Philippine
    China just help Philippine to took back a city taken by US controlled ISIS. Terrorists leader said they will be back soon.

    Indonesia( Sukarno time)
    China too weak too protect, 1M massacre by CIA instigated atrocity to purge communist & Chinese, repeatedly. Now Saudi-wahabhi Muslim terrorists party is brewing for another anti-Chinese riots.

    Countries still awaiting China to liberate:
    Bhutan,
    which under weak China, was totally subjugated by India, it still cannot has any foreign relationship with anyone without India's permit. A large Indian army is stationed inside Bhutan.

    7 Sisters, the Nagaland still under India rape.

    Land China took back
    HK, Macau

    Land awaiting China to recover
    (Taiwan) - under Japan past colonization, US control now.

    South Tibet, still under India rape.

    Mongolia, forced independent by Soviet Union.

    Part of Xinjiang, Outer Manchuria, 1.5Mil sq Km? taken by Soviet when China Qing Dynasty was weak. Now under safekeeping by Russia to have a safe northern backyard from US.

    Russia officially received this territory by the unequal treaties of the Treaty of Aigun in 1858 and the Treaty of Peking in 1860. The northern part of the area was also in dispute between 1643 and 1689, with military conflicts between two empires.

    Outer Manchuria comprises the present-day Russian areas of Primorsky Krai, southern Khabarovsk Krai, the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, and Amur Oblast. Another Chinese claim adds the island of Sakhalin. Currently, the People's Republic of China has no claim to the territory.
     
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  • “Our current democratic western leaders are hardly role models for successful or enlightened leadership.”

    That is true. The current action of western governments is a piss poor example of democracy.
    It is no concern of the US how China is ruled.

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    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    but it is good ammo for use in finger pointing and acting hoity toity.
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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Even if Xi rules for longer, he wont’ be a Mao. I think he’s looking to emulate Lee Kwan Yu.

    Chiang Kai-Shek ruled for life but he wasn’t crazy like Mao.

    Mao was really an anomaly. He rose to power through sheer struggle, violence, chance, and chaos.
    No stable order would have allowed such a turbulent personality to rise to the top. He fed on the chaos all around him.

    In contrast, Xi rose by doing hard within the system. And I think his aim is to strengthen the system, not just himself.

    Still, I agree it is worrying. Two term idea was pretty sound.

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    Xi rose because he is a princeling, he is backed by other powerful princes. This is the reassertion of power of the crown princes by purging the non-royal blooded enunchs: jiang zeming, zhou yongkang.
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  • Eric’s fast on his way to becoming the leading intellectual for Confucio-fascism. Amazing the respect leftists have for what they would consider in their native context ‘far right’ ideas so long as the practitioners aren’t white.

    One way or another, the liberal word order (in both the ‘classical’ and progressive sense) will come to an end.

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  • In December, 2002, President George W. Bush proclaimed that the US would unilaterally pull out of the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty that had curtailed the development of nuclear missiles and anti-missile systems to defeat them. The arrogant, dim-witted Bush believed that US space technology was advancing so rapidly that it would neutralize Russia’s force of...
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    And both of these people are Jewish working in white house for Israel’s higher interest.
    Who says that” all the wars started because of the Jews” Mel Gibson said that,and cost him a-lot to telling the truth. Even mentioning the truth is anti-Semitism,poor Mel Gibson, although he looks pretty good on Jewish head gear he put on while he was counseling by rabbies.

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