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    Contrary to the Main Stream Media perception, National Review has not just “purged” Donald Trump from the Conservative Movement. The Oxford English Dictionary defines a “purge” as “an abrupt or violent removal of a group of people from an organization or place.” This implies the purger has the power to remove the unwanted actor and...
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    Clyde:

    I am half Jewish, and I don't like them! I met three Jews in the service, and two extremely unlikable, while the other was pleasant, and good person, (he was Baptist). I never told them I was Sephardim, so as to let them go on with their Talmudic behavior. How unpleasant they are!
    By the way, most 'white' looking Jews are converts throughout the millennia, white Europeans, slaves, who converted to their master's religion, Talmudism, otherwise known as Judaism. Plus the Khazars, So don't feel bad about disliking the khazars; there is nothing to like from the Khazars talmudists.

    So you are only half a self hating crypto-Zio-Talmudic Jew. I am sure your ancestors are proud of you.

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    Just as I predicted. The deranged Jew haters of Unz.com descended on this well written article by Ellison Lodge who has never had his material posted at Unz before. This site needs some moderation instead of letting the deranged hijack innocent threads by posting the same dreck they have posted many times before. Steve/iSteve keeps you idiots on a short leash instead of allowing you all to pollute his postings. Derbyshire excludes your crap too.
    15 million Jews live on this planet among 7 billion people and you dumbasses try to blame everything bad on them same as Hitler and his gangsters.
    Giraldi likes your evil material so this is his own business and go have your fun there. But why do you have to ruin this post by Ellison Lodge? Why would he even want to write for Unz again? You guys have way too much time on your hands which leads to your obsessions. Idle hands being the Devil's workshop.

    Clyde:

    I am half Jewish, and I don’t like them! I met three Jews in the service, and two extremely unlikable, while the other was pleasant, and good person, (he was Baptist). I never told them I was Sephardim, so as to let them go on with their Talmudic behavior. How unpleasant they are!
    By the way, most ‘white’ looking Jews are converts throughout the millennia, white Europeans, slaves, who converted to their master’s religion, Talmudism, otherwise known as Judaism. Plus the Khazars, So don’t feel bad about disliking the khazars; there is nothing to like from the Khazars talmudists.

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    So you are only half a self hating crypto-Zio-Talmudic Jew. I am sure your ancestors are proud of you.
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  • @Hbm
    With typical sociopathic audicty, Kristol and Goldberg and the whole lovable gang of poisonous, traitorous, ethnosupremacist inbreds are pushing the trope that they, the usurping Neocons, are the traditional Old Guard Conservatives while Trump is the insolent newcomer; A people for a party for a party without people: We made Conservatism bloom.

    Something like that, I guess.

    The wretched Israeli prison guard Goldberg decrying anyone as 'racist' is more of the same toxic chutzpah, and pushes the envelope of human ability to experience disgust at bald, compunction-free Jewish hypocrisy.
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  • @anonymous
    Trump won a whole lot of white male votes by shutting down Kelly's insults.

    AND

    he demonstrated that while the MSM may be powerful, he has the courage and principles to tell it to take a hike. He's not going to be intimidated by MSM power. That's huge.

    Third thing: that weenie Cruz puffed his chest & said I'll debate you mano a mano, no moderator. You scared of me, Donnie? (Cruz is a masterdebater)


    If you live in Flint, MI, and your kids are drinking water that is going to rot their brains, who do you want to be in a position to change the situation, a masterdebater or a developer who has dealt with sewer systems, water systems, bureaucracies, building codes, plumbing codes and the comparable qualities and cost-benefit analysis of goddam pipes for the last 30 years?

    I agree with your first three points, and I hope Trump has enough discipline not to involve himself in a purely local matter like Flint’s drinking water problem. That should be left to the Governor of Michigan and the Mayor of Flint to work out. If elected, Trump will have much more important matters on his plate to deal with, from immigration to foreign affairs. To get bogged down in purely local matters would be a distraction and a waste of his valuable time. (I agree that he is probably best suited to handle that problem, but it would clearly be below his pay grade. I think as an experienced executive he knows a lot about delegating and deciding which issues merit his valuable, and limited, time.)

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  • @Jasper Been
    I think many historians would be interested in seeing the "massive trove of Third Reich documents which detail the whole thing" you speak of.

    Anyway I'd recommend the book Breaking the Spell by Nick Kollerstrom.

    Jasper, manton is correct, there is a “massive trove of Third Reich document,” but it’s not accurate to say “they detail the whole thing.”

    In 1959 William Shirer published “Rise and Fall of the Third Reich,” a multi-million seller that influenced the view of many, many people regarding WWII.

    The first paragraphs of Shirer’s book explain the sources of the information he used:

    “Though I lived and worked in the Third Reich during the first half (1) of its brief life … this personal experience would not have led me to attempt to write this book had there not occurred at the end of World War II an event unique in history.(2)

    This was the capture of most of the confidential archives of the German government and all its branches, including those of the Foreign Office, the Army and Navy, the National Socialist Party and Heinrich Himmler’s secret police. Never before, I believe, has such a vast treasure fallen into the hands of contemporary historians. . . .

    [O]ther priceless materials such as private diaries, highly secret speeches, . . .even transcripts of telephone conversations of the Nazi leaders [were] tapped . . .

    The 485 tons of records of the German Foreign Office, captured by the U.S. First Army . . .just as they were about to be burned on orders from Berlin, cover not only the period of the Third Reich but go back through the Weimar Republic to the beginning of the Second Reich of Bismarck.

    For many years after the war these documents lay sealed in a large U S Army warehouse in Alexandria, Virginia, our government showing no interest in even opening the packing cases . . . Finally in 1955, . . .thanks to the initiative of the American Historical Association and the generosity of a couple of private foundations, (3) the Alexandria papers were opened and a pitifully small group of scholars . . .went to work to sift through them and photograph them before the government, which was in a great hurry in the matter, returned them to Germany. They proved a rich find. . . .

    It is quite remarkable how little those of us who were stationed in Germany during the Nazi time, journalists and diplomats, really knew of what was going on behind the facade of the Third Reich. . . . [T]he fateful decisions secretly made, the intrigues, the motives and the aberrations . . . all this and much more remained largely hidden from us until the secret German papers turned up. (4)”

    (1) Shirer left Germany in 1940.

    (2) This resource of documents “unique in history” has been plumbed and provided the source for thousands of books about the war. Most of those books, the vast majority, are written by and in support of the Allied version of events.
    Very, very few books have offered the German side of the story.
    David Irving wrote a history of Dresden after learning about the event while working in Germany in the late 1950s; his Destruction of Dresden was published in 1963.
    Kurt Vonnegut published Slaughterhouse Five, a work of fiction centered on the firebombing of Dresden, in 1969.

    (3) Who/what is the American Historical Association; what is the identity of the private foundations, and what controls, if any, were in place to ensure complete accuracy in copying and returning the documents to Germany?
    According to Maj. Gen. (Ret) Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof, material in his children’s and all German schoolchildren’s textbooks quote passages from the documents returned to Germany that are simply false, as he has demonstrated by comparing them to other sources in Germany.

    (4) The most intriguing statement of all: those who beat the war drums for war against Germany, beginning as early as 1933, as my earlier, rambling rant noted, did not know until ten years after the war the nature and motives of the adversary it had committed the US/Allies to destroy.

    Finally, in all of these tons of documents, diaries, transcripts, etc., not one single scrap of paper validates the claim that Germany’s NSDAP government, military or populace planned and carried out the intentional, industrialized scheme to exterminate all the Jews in Europe. (The so-called Wannsee protocol was not found among the trove of papers captured in 1945. I’m a little hazy on this — if I recall correctly, the document appeared late in the prosecution at Nuremberg. It should also be added that Jewish refugees were housed in the Wannsee mansion while awaiting transit to some permanent place of settlement outside Germany.)

    On the other hand, British and U S leaders and war planners, with full complicity and instrumentalization by many Jewish leaders and functionaries, did in fact plan, practice, perfect and prosecute the deliberate destruction of not only Germany’s military, industrial as well as civilian and cultural infrastructure, it planned and carried out the deliberate destruction of the German people, from infants in cribs to young girls to old women to soldiers in the field to Germany’s military and political leadership.
    see, for example, http://lcweb2.loc.gov/master/pnp/habshaer/ut/ut0500/ut0568/data/ut0568data.pdf
    page 16.

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  • NR is a failing RINO rag. There is nothing conservative about it and hasn’t been for quite a while. I am certain W. F. Buckley wouldn’t recognize it. The attacks on Trump all fail because of one thing they cannot change – Trump is an outsider. No other candidate of either party can claim that. He is the only one with great accomplishments as a private citizen, all the others are your typical lying pandering pols, bought and paid for by the donor oligarchs.

    We’ve been down that road which is why we support Trump. Just say. “No!”, to GOPe betrayal, Trump for President, 2016!

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  • @Priss Factor
    Trump decline begins.

    His skipping the debate makes him look like a petulant and cowardly quitter.

    He looks wimpy and weak. He looks like he's ducking a fight, and why? Because he's afraid of some blonde bimbo? He should go on the debate and trample all over her.

    How is Trump gonna deal with tough leaders all over the world if he can't even stand up to a Fox News bimbo?

    Trump mocks the likes of Jeb of being weak, but this makes him look weak and childish. It's like a rich spoiled kid saying, "I won't come and play unless I get to play captain."

    Trump doesn't own Fox News. Fox News has the right to make its own decisions. And Trump should respect that. And if it isn't 'fair' to put Megan Kelly on, well too bad. Life is unfair. Indeed, white working class Americans know life isn't fair, and that is why they've latched onto Trump. So, the manly thing for Trump to do is go on the debate and prove that he fights the good fight even if life is unfair. His supporters will identify with him because they too have been cheated so often.

    Maybe deep down inside, Trump wants to quit. Maybe he is willfully beginning to derail himself to foul himself out. Maybe he can't take the heat anymore. Maybe he's feeling like Ross Perot who quit the race in 92 before he returned.
    Trump made a stupid comment about how his supporters would be with him even if he shot someone.
    Now, this idiot move.
    He's acting like Andrew Golota who willfully low-blowed Riddick Bowe and disqualified himself even though he was ahead on points in both fights.

    Trump doesn't appear to have the nerve, and I think he's trying to foul himself out.


    At a certain point, being wrong has to leave an impact. For six months you guys have been predicting that this was it, “He’s gone too far!”

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  • @manton
    I know I'll regret asking, but to the Holocaust deniers:

    What about all the American GI's who claim to have seen the camps? Overwhelmingly non-Jews. They took 8mm film, photographs, etc. Interviewed survivors on the spot. Wrote reports. And so on. The belief that this did actually happen went all the way up to Ike himself. Even Patton, who manifestly admired the Germans and thought we should ally with them against the USSR, believed it was real.

    All liars? All a centrally directed conspiracy from Tel Aviv? You have to dismiss all of that somehow.

    That's before we even get to the massive trove of Third Reich documents which detail the whole thing.

    I think many historians would be interested in seeing the “massive trove of Third Reich documents which detail the whole thing” you speak of.

    Anyway I’d recommend the book Breaking the Spell by Nick Kollerstrom.

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    Jasper, manton is correct, there is a "massive trove of Third Reich document," but it's not accurate to say "they detail the whole thing."

    In 1959 William Shirer published "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich," a multi-million seller that influenced the view of many, many people regarding WWII.

    The first paragraphs of Shirer's book explain the sources of the information he used:

    "Though I lived and worked in the Third Reich during the first half (1) of its brief life ... this personal experience would not have led me to attempt to write this book had there not occurred at the end of World War II an event unique in history.(2)

    This was the capture of most of the confidential archives of the German government and all its branches, including those of the Foreign Office, the Army and Navy, the National Socialist Party and Heinrich Himmler's secret police. Never before, I believe, has such a vast treasure fallen into the hands of contemporary historians. . . .

    [O]ther priceless materials such as private diaries, highly secret speeches, . . .even transcripts of telephone conversations of the Nazi leaders [were] tapped . . .

    The 485 tons of records of the German Foreign Office, captured by the U.S. First Army . . .just as they were about to be burned on orders from Berlin, cover not only the period of the Third Reich but go back through the Weimar Republic to the beginning of the Second Reich of Bismarck.

    For many years after the war these documents lay sealed in a large U S Army warehouse in Alexandria, Virginia, our government showing no interest in even opening the packing cases . . . Finally in 1955, . . .thanks to the initiative of the American Historical Association and the generosity of a couple of private foundations, (3) the Alexandria papers were opened and a pitifully small group of scholars . . .went to work to sift through them and photograph them before the government, which was in a great hurry in the matter, returned them to Germany. They proved a rich find. . . .

    It is quite remarkable how little those of us who were stationed in Germany during the Nazi time, journalists and diplomats, really knew of what was going on behind the facade of the Third Reich. . . . [T]he fateful decisions secretly made, the intrigues, the motives and the aberrations . . . all this and much more remained largely hidden from us until the secret German papers turned up. (4)"

     

    (1) Shirer left Germany in 1940.

    (2) This resource of documents "unique in history" has been plumbed and provided the source for thousands of books about the war. Most of those books, the vast majority, are written by and in support of the Allied version of events.
    Very, very few books have offered the German side of the story.
    David Irving wrote a history of Dresden after learning about the event while working in Germany in the late 1950s; his Destruction of Dresden was published in 1963.
    Kurt Vonnegut published Slaughterhouse Five, a work of fiction centered on the firebombing of Dresden, in 1969.

    (3) Who/what is the American Historical Association; what is the identity of the private foundations, and what controls, if any, were in place to ensure complete accuracy in copying and returning the documents to Germany?
    According to Maj. Gen. (Ret) Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof, material in his children's and all German schoolchildren's textbooks quote passages from the documents returned to Germany that are simply false, as he has demonstrated by comparing them to other sources in Germany.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBLgZAv_Iqo

    (4) The most intriguing statement of all: those who beat the war drums for war against Germany, beginning as early as 1933, as my earlier, rambling rant noted, did not know until ten years after the war the nature and motives of the adversary it had committed the US/Allies to destroy.


    Finally, in all of these tons of documents, diaries, transcripts, etc., not one single scrap of paper validates the claim that Germany's NSDAP government, military or populace planned and carried out the intentional, industrialized scheme to exterminate all the Jews in Europe. (The so-called Wannsee protocol was not found among the trove of papers captured in 1945. I'm a little hazy on this -- if I recall correctly, the document appeared late in the prosecution at Nuremberg. It should also be added that Jewish refugees were housed in the Wannsee mansion while awaiting transit to some permanent place of settlement outside Germany.)

    On the other hand, British and U S leaders and war planners, with full complicity and instrumentalization by many Jewish leaders and functionaries, did in fact plan, practice, perfect and prosecute the deliberate destruction of not only Germany's military, industrial as well as civilian and cultural infrastructure, it planned and carried out the deliberate destruction of the German people, from infants in cribs to young girls to old women to soldiers in the field to Germany's military and political leadership.
    see, for example, http://lcweb2.loc.gov/master/pnp/habshaer/ut/ut0500/ut0568/data/ut0568data.pdf
    page 16.
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  • @SolontoCroesus
    Firstly, I'm not a 'holocaust denier.' That frame implies that "holocaust affirmer" is the normal and unassailable state of affairs, a truth, like the earth is round(ish). In that frame, holocaust "deniers" are either aberrations, flat-earthers, 'denying' an obvious truth, or tinkerers at the margins -- "there were fewer than 6 million," for example. He who frames the question wins the debate; therefore, I refuse to be boxed into that frame and instead pose a different question, one implied in a statement by Robert Cohen last January --

    Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. If anything, today’s school children are in danger of thinking that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin went to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews. - http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/auschwitz-revisited#sthash.ZZodW7Ml.dpuf
     
    If thinking that war was waged against Hitler "because of what was happening to the Jews" is a "dangerous" proposition, implying that such is an erroneous line of thought, they why did Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin wage war against Hitler?

    I've been reading "FDR" by Jean Edward Smith. The author disclosed that beginning June 1933, one of FDR's first official acts as president was to recognize Stalin's Russia and to delegate Henry Morgenthau and William Bullitt to negotiate behind the backs of the State Department to retrieve property of Americans whose property had been caught up in the Russian revolution. This was the beginning of a very close relationship with Stalin that FDR set out to create and intensify over the course of the war.
    Also by 1933 Roosevelt had formed the determination to destroy Hitler.

    What else was going on in 1933?
    - Stalin and the Bolsheviks had already or were in the process of starving to death about 7 or 8 million Ukrainians;
    - Hitler was appointed chancellor, Jan 30 1933;
    - Louis Brandeis directed that "all Jews must leave Germany, all 587,000 of them."

    According to Brightman and Lichtman in "FDR and the Jews," shortly after Hitler's appointment, and upon consolidating power, "Nazis quelled physical violence against Jews . . . no Jews were sent to concentration camps until mid-November 1938."

    Stalin is killing millions while Hitler is "quelling violence against Jews," yet Brandeis directs that "all Jews must leave Germany" rather than taking action to protect Jews in Russia, Hungary, Poland, etc.
    That strikes me as odd, particularly since Rabbi Stephen Wise had been writing and preaching since at least 1900 that "Six million Jews in RUSSIA are being persecuted . . .starved . . .threatened with annihilation . . ."

    Stalin is killing millions while Hitler is "quelling violence against Jews," yet FDR chooses to ally with Stalin and sends his Secretary of Treasury, Henry Morgenthau, to work out financial deals with the Bolsheviks.
    That also seems odd: Jews are comparatively safe in Germany but mass killings are taking place in Russia, but FDR sends Morgenthau to negotiate with Stalin's Russia, and allies with Stalin.
    Wouldn't you think the champion of human rights and democracy would seek to stop the slaughter of Ukrainians?

    Why didn't FDR object to Stalin's slaughter of millions of Ukrainians but instead ally with Stalin, while determining to destroy Hitler -- who in 1933 had done nothing to USA?

    A C Grayling styles himself a moral philosopher. He wrote a book about the morality of Allied firebombing of Germany. He concluded that the firebombing was immoral, but it was essential to "destroy Nazism," so that mitigated the judgment.

    But Grayling did not explain why it was necessary to destroy Nazism.

    (I think there's a clue in the second part of Frank Capra's "Why We Fight" series, but I've already gone on too long on this track. )


    Regarding your immediate questions, about the pictures at the camps:

    Several years ago I purchased a DVD titled "Imaginary Witness: Hollywood and the Holocaust." It was among the first discordant notes that caused me to start to question the h. narrative. The DVD featured several of the filmmakers from Hollywood studios -- all directed by Jewish persons (who, by the way, had also been front and center in the production of propaganda to arouse Americans to get into the war. Hollywood moviemakers also participated in building "German village," where US Air Force perfected firebombing techniques deliberately aimed at killing working-class German civilians.).
    The guys in the DVD who said they filmed the camps were jerks; they were goofy. In psychological jargon, their affect was off. They acted more like a bunch of teenagers punching arms after they'd taken a joyride. They talked about how Ike got them to the camps before anybody else had arrived -- even before Red Cross. The purpose of the DVD was to capture the emotion of having been caught up in the war -- not history, emotion; "verisimilitude."

    More recently -- a few days ago -- I listened to a guy named Reicher, a judge iirc, give a talk about the importance of the pictures that Ike arranged to be taken at the camps. Reicher argued that the pictures tipped the scales at Nuremberg.

    The pictures are indeed horrific. I don't think they're faked -- except for the shrunken heads and skin lampshades, that is -- I have watched the US government-produced film reels of corpses and emaciated survivors; there is some hammery going on -- US soldiers who are carrying survivors smirk for the cameras and are a little too solicitous, for instance -- but it's hard to deny that there were a lot of corpses and a whole lot of human suffering that took place.

    But what do the pictures really tell us?

    Does a Jewish corpse look different from a non-Jewish corpse?
    How did those people die?
    WHEN did they die?
    WHY did they die?
    HOW did they die?
    WHO were those people? --- 7 million German civilians were deliberately "de-housed" in the firebombing campaign. Where did 7 million Germans go? Might some of those corpses have been Germans?

    The photos convey a great deal of shock value and provoke outrage, but they communicate very little information.

    The question of timing is particularly important, in my view. I've just started to think about this and might not be able to articulate it clearly, nor have I got the dates firmly in hand.

    The general idea is this: Eisenhower knew what was going on in the camps well before he arrived on the scene to liberate them.

    He knew because the British were intercepting German records.
    He knew because US had OSS and other spies all over the place.
    He knew because US and British were bombing the hell out of Germany and took aerial surveillance photos.

    Eisenhower knew that the camps were in disarray but did nothing because FDR had promised Stalin that he could have Poland, and Berlin.
    Eisenhower held US forces back from Berlin and the East because Stalin's forces under Zhukov were rampaging.

    Eisenhower could have mitigated the suffering in the camps but he chose to do nothing for several reasons, chief among them being that he needed the outrage value of the death and devastation he knew he would find in the camps to cover up the death and devastation the Allies had perpetrated throughout Germany.

    Robert McNamara knew that Americans and British were committing war crimes in Germany.
    Curtis LeMay knew in the midst of the war that if the US lost, it would would be charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity for firebombing Japan and Germany.

    Numerous military leaders and writers have stated that it was known in December 1941 that Germany was defeated.

    Yet in 1942 the US Air Force built German Village to perfect its firebombing technique and bombed Germany (and Japan) relentlessly, through 1943, 1944 and 1945.

    Moreover, FDR had decided, almost capriciously, by the time of the Casablanca conference in Jan. 1943 that Germany must surrender unconditionally.

    In short, I think -- I hypothesize -- that the Allies knew how bad conditions were in the camps because they bore a significant share of the responsibility for causing the devastation, starvation and disease. The Allies could have shortened/ended the war earlier but instead they prolonged it, fully aware of the toll on civilian lives.

    This is not to exculpate the Germans.
    You may have noticed that Germany has borne the lion's share of blame, punishment and guilt.
    http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Love-Wwii-History-Anything-About-It/1521822

    The USA has not owned up to its crimes against humanity and decency in that war.
    On the belief that it emerged from WWII a moral victor, USA has repeated its crimes against humanity, like an out-of-control drunk who thinks his inebriation is an expression of virtue and greatness.

    Yes, I think the pictures are real, but I'm not sure what they prove.
    They provided for Eisenhower and the folks back home ex post facto a sense of justification for a war against Germany the beginning of which had no justification.

    this went off the rails.

    wish i could erase it and start over.

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  • With typical sociopathic audicty, Kristol and Goldberg and the whole lovable gang of poisonous, traitorous, ethnosupremacist inbreds are pushing the trope that they, the usurping Neocons, are the traditional Old Guard Conservatives while Trump is the insolent newcomer; A people for a party for a party without people: We made Conservatism bloom.

    Something like that, I guess.

    The wretched Israeli prison guard Goldberg decrying anyone as ‘racist’ is more of the same toxic chutzpah, and pushes the envelope of human ability to experience disgust at bald, compunction-free Jewish hypocrisy.

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    This guy gets it about right
    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2016/01/27/neocohens-if-you-want-to-destroy-the-cuckservative-movement/


    I like his coining of Neocohens.
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  • @manton
    I know I'll regret asking, but to the Holocaust deniers:

    What about all the American GI's who claim to have seen the camps? Overwhelmingly non-Jews. They took 8mm film, photographs, etc. Interviewed survivors on the spot. Wrote reports. And so on. The belief that this did actually happen went all the way up to Ike himself. Even Patton, who manifestly admired the Germans and thought we should ally with them against the USSR, believed it was real.

    All liars? All a centrally directed conspiracy from Tel Aviv? You have to dismiss all of that somehow.

    That's before we even get to the massive trove of Third Reich documents which detail the whole thing.

    Firstly, I’m not a ‘holocaust denier.’ That frame implies that “holocaust affirmer” is the normal and unassailable state of affairs, a truth, like the earth is round(ish). In that frame, holocaust “deniers” are either aberrations, flat-earthers, ‘denying’ an obvious truth, or tinkerers at the margins — “there were fewer than 6 million,” for example. He who frames the question wins the debate; therefore, I refuse to be boxed into that frame and instead pose a different question, one implied in a statement by Robert Cohen last January –

    Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. If anything, today’s school children are in danger of thinking that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin went to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews.http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/auschwitz-revisited#sthash.ZZodW7Ml.dpuf

    If thinking that war was waged against Hitler “because of what was happening to the Jews” is a “dangerous” proposition, implying that such is an erroneous line of thought, they why did Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin wage war against Hitler?

    I’ve been reading “FDR” by Jean Edward Smith. The author disclosed that beginning June 1933, one of FDR’s first official acts as president was to recognize Stalin’s Russia and to delegate Henry Morgenthau and William Bullitt to negotiate behind the backs of the State Department to retrieve property of Americans whose property had been caught up in the Russian revolution. This was the beginning of a very close relationship with Stalin that FDR set out to create and intensify over the course of the war.
    Also by 1933 Roosevelt had formed the determination to destroy Hitler.

    What else was going on in 1933?
    - Stalin and the Bolsheviks had already or were in the process of starving to death about 7 or 8 million Ukrainians;
    - Hitler was appointed chancellor, Jan 30 1933;
    - Louis Brandeis directed that “all Jews must leave Germany, all 587,000 of them.”

    According to Brightman and Lichtman in “FDR and the Jews,” shortly after Hitler’s appointment, and upon consolidating power, “Nazis quelled physical violence against Jews . . . no Jews were sent to concentration camps until mid-November 1938.”

    [MORE]

    Stalin is killing millions while Hitler is “quelling violence against Jews,” yet Brandeis directs that “all Jews must leave Germany” rather than taking action to protect Jews in Russia, Hungary, Poland, etc.
    That strikes me as odd, particularly since Rabbi Stephen Wise had been writing and preaching since at least 1900 that “Six million Jews in RUSSIA are being persecuted . . .starved . . .threatened with annihilation . . .”

    Stalin is killing millions while Hitler is “quelling violence against Jews,” yet FDR chooses to ally with Stalin and sends his Secretary of Treasury, Henry Morgenthau, to work out financial deals with the Bolsheviks.
    That also seems odd: Jews are comparatively safe in Germany but mass killings are taking place in Russia, but FDR sends Morgenthau to negotiate with Stalin’s Russia, and allies with Stalin.
    Wouldn’t you think the champion of human rights and democracy would seek to stop the slaughter of Ukrainians?

    Why didn’t FDR object to Stalin’s slaughter of millions of Ukrainians but instead ally with Stalin, while determining to destroy Hitler — who in 1933 had done nothing to USA?

    A C Grayling styles himself a moral philosopher. He wrote a book about the morality of Allied firebombing of Germany. He concluded that the firebombing was immoral, but it was essential to “destroy Nazism,” so that mitigated the judgment.

    But Grayling did not explain why it was necessary to destroy Nazism.

    (I think there’s a clue in the second part of Frank Capra’s “Why We Fight” series, but I’ve already gone on too long on this track. )

    Regarding your immediate questions, about the pictures at the camps:

    Several years ago I purchased a DVD titled “Imaginary Witness: Hollywood and the Holocaust.” It was among the first discordant notes that caused me to start to question the h. narrative. The DVD featured several of the filmmakers from Hollywood studios — all directed by Jewish persons (who, by the way, had also been front and center in the production of propaganda to arouse Americans to get into the war. Hollywood moviemakers also participated in building “German village,” where US Air Force perfected firebombing techniques deliberately aimed at killing working-class German civilians.).
    The guys in the DVD who said they filmed the camps were jerks; they were goofy. In psychological jargon, their affect was off. They acted more like a bunch of teenagers punching arms after they’d taken a joyride. They talked about how Ike got them to the camps before anybody else had arrived — even before Red Cross. The purpose of the DVD was to capture the emotion of having been caught up in the war — not history, emotion; “verisimilitude.”

    More recently — a few days ago — I listened to a guy named Reicher, a judge iirc, give a talk about the importance of the pictures that Ike arranged to be taken at the camps. Reicher argued that the pictures tipped the scales at Nuremberg.

    The pictures are indeed horrific. I don’t think they’re faked — except for the shrunken heads and skin lampshades, that is — I have watched the US government-produced film reels of corpses and emaciated survivors; there is some hammery going on — US soldiers who are carrying survivors smirk for the cameras and are a little too solicitous, for instance — but it’s hard to deny that there were a lot of corpses and a whole lot of human suffering that took place.

    But what do the pictures really tell us?

    Does a Jewish corpse look different from a non-Jewish corpse?
    How did those people die?
    WHEN did they die?
    WHY did they die?
    HOW did they die?
    WHO were those people? — 7 million German civilians were deliberately “de-housed” in the firebombing campaign. Where did 7 million Germans go? Might some of those corpses have been Germans?

    The photos convey a great deal of shock value and provoke outrage, but they communicate very little information.

    The question of timing is particularly important, in my view. I’ve just started to think about this and might not be able to articulate it clearly, nor have I got the dates firmly in hand.

    The general idea is this: Eisenhower knew what was going on in the camps well before he arrived on the scene to liberate them.

    He knew because the British were intercepting German records.
    He knew because US had OSS and other spies all over the place.
    He knew because US and British were bombing the hell out of Germany and took aerial surveillance photos.

    Eisenhower knew that the camps were in disarray but did nothing because FDR had promised Stalin that he could have Poland, and Berlin.
    Eisenhower held US forces back from Berlin and the East because Stalin’s forces under Zhukov were rampaging.

    Eisenhower could have mitigated the suffering in the camps but he chose to do nothing for several reasons, chief among them being that he needed the outrage value of the death and devastation he knew he would find in the camps to cover up the death and devastation the Allies had perpetrated throughout Germany.

    Robert McNamara knew that Americans and British were committing war crimes in Germany.
    Curtis LeMay knew in the midst of the war that if the US lost, it would would be charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity for firebombing Japan and Germany.

    Numerous military leaders and writers have stated that it was known in December 1941 that Germany was defeated.

    Yet in 1942 the US Air Force built German Village to perfect its firebombing technique and bombed Germany (and Japan) relentlessly, through 1943, 1944 and 1945.

    Moreover, FDR had decided, almost capriciously, by the time of the Casablanca conference in Jan. 1943 that Germany must surrender unconditionally.

    In short, I think — I hypothesize — that the Allies knew how bad conditions were in the camps because they bore a significant share of the responsibility for causing the devastation, starvation and disease. The Allies could have shortened/ended the war earlier but instead they prolonged it, fully aware of the toll on civilian lives.

    This is not to exculpate the Germans.
    You may have noticed that Germany has borne the lion’s share of blame, punishment and guilt.

    http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Love-Wwii-History-Anything-About-It/1521822

    The USA has not owned up to its crimes against humanity and decency in that war.
    On the belief that it emerged from WWII a moral victor, USA has repeated its crimes against humanity, like an out-of-control drunk who thinks his inebriation is an expression of virtue and greatness.

    Yes, I think the pictures are real, but I’m not sure what they prove.
    They provided for Eisenhower and the folks back home ex post facto a sense of justification for a war against Germany the beginning of which had no justification.

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    this went off the rails.

    wish i could erase it and start over.
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  • @nickels
    Of course there were camps. There were also allied camps where millions of Germans died.
    I think the controversy is more around the chambers. They appear to likely have been Soviet propaganda.
    Typhus killed millions.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=LLOqkg4k4HcAy0P8SzDZUyEA&v=aQjNs-Ght8s

    The fact that last post would be illegal in many countries is enough for my lie detector to peg.

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  • @manton
    I know I'll regret asking, but to the Holocaust deniers:

    What about all the American GI's who claim to have seen the camps? Overwhelmingly non-Jews. They took 8mm film, photographs, etc. Interviewed survivors on the spot. Wrote reports. And so on. The belief that this did actually happen went all the way up to Ike himself. Even Patton, who manifestly admired the Germans and thought we should ally with them against the USSR, believed it was real.

    All liars? All a centrally directed conspiracy from Tel Aviv? You have to dismiss all of that somehow.

    That's before we even get to the massive trove of Third Reich documents which detail the whole thing.

    Of course there were camps. There were also allied camps where millions of Germans died.
    I think the controversy is more around the chambers. They appear to likely have been Soviet propaganda.
    Typhus killed millions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=LLOqkg4k4HcAy0P8SzDZUyEA&v=aQjNs-Ght8s

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    The fact that last post would be illegal in many countries is enough for my lie detector to peg.
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  • @manton
    I know I'll regret asking, but to the Holocaust deniers:

    What about all the American GI's who claim to have seen the camps? Overwhelmingly non-Jews. They took 8mm film, photographs, etc. Interviewed survivors on the spot. Wrote reports. And so on. The belief that this did actually happen went all the way up to Ike himself. Even Patton, who manifestly admired the Germans and thought we should ally with them against the USSR, believed it was real.

    All liars? All a centrally directed conspiracy from Tel Aviv? You have to dismiss all of that somehow.

    That's before we even get to the massive trove of Third Reich documents which detail the whole thing.

    There were Jews in camps, yes, but they weren’t “death” camps and their purpose was not extermination. By the time Germany was finally defeated, the whole economy was a shambles and starvation and disease were taking their toll on everyone. The prisoners in the camps were naturally among the worst off.

    It must have been horrible, but it wasn’t a “holocaust.”

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  • @tbraton
    "This is quite unlikely to have much of an effect on Trumps electoral fortunes. It can have a serious effect on Fox’s fortunes, however, if it gets painted with the same brush as the rest of the MSM. Given that Murdoch has no use for Trump, Fox will try more of what Kelly did, and Trump isn’t going to put up with Kelly being used in that fashion. Fox is more likely to get hurt in this than is Trump. That Ailes didn’t have much to say about it says that Ailes won’t be around much longer."

    I tend to agree. One sign will be what ratings the upcoming debate gets if Trump goes through with his threat not to appear. I happen to think that Trump is the main reason the debates have gotten very large audiences thus far, blowing away the prior records. I was watching Fox News last night and got a preview of what Fox plans to do. Megyn Kelly used Trump as a punching bag as her guests Ted Cruz and ever fat Chris Christie took opportunities to punch and insult Trump in ways that they wouldn't dare do on stage in his presence. If they do that tomorrow night, I don't think it will go down real well with the audience that tunes in, which is likely to be much smaller than usual. Ms. Kelly played back her question at the first debate that drew Trump's ire, as she recited insult after insult that Trump has directed at women over the years. I thought it was a preposterous question at the time, and I still think it is a preposterous question. I bet Ms. Kelly would not recite the long list of women Bill Clinton has sexually abused over the years if she had Hillary Clinton on stage in a debate and then ask her whether she approves of all those actions by her husband or whether she continues to attack those women. I don't think this incident will affect Trump in Iowa at all. Polls currently show either a slight Trump lead or a substantial Trump lead. It will be close imo; he may win or he may lose. But that would have been true even if he attended the debate. He plans to attend the next debate in New Hampshire next week, and that will dispel whatever cloud was generated by this brouhaha. As far as arguing that Trump's reluctance to face Megan Kelly shows that he is not tough enough to negotiate with the likes of Putin, that is a fatuous argument. Trump wasn't born yesterday. He has had a lifetime of negotiating tough business deals, and he is not suddenly going to lose that knowledge gained from real experience. If the ratings fall off dramatically, Trump may actually be enhanced by this incident since he will have hurt Fox's bottom line and shown how popular he is in the country.

    BTW the owner of Fox, Rupert Murdoch, has indicated that he will support a third party candidacy of Mike Bloomberg, so, if there was any doubt about Fox's motivation in this matter, there shouldn't be any now.

    Rather than switch from Fox at 6:30 to NBC, as I usually do, I decided to stick with Fox in light of Donald Trump’s withdrawal from tomorrow night’s debate on Fox. Utterly hilarious. It was obvious to me that Fox is in panic mode over the lost advertising dollars resulting from Trump’s decision to withdraw. Obviously, Rupert Murdoch knows full well that Trump is the reason the debates have become such ratings blockbusters that have shattered all previous records and he was desperately pulling out all the stops in a failed attempt to salvage what had been a very profitable cash cow as a result of Trump’s presence. So we saw Charles Krauthammer on “Special Report” offering his “personal advice” to Trump urging him to participate in tomorrow’s debate for “his own good” and “the good of the country.” Since it is obvious to all that Krauthammer detests Trump and Trump feels likewise about Krauthammer, the utter hypocrisy was stunning. But that was nothing compared to the show we saw at 8 on “The O’Reilly Factor.” Apparently, Trump had committed to O’Reilly a week ago to appear on tonight’s show, and he fulfilled his commitment. O’Reilly was in full pandering mode, groveling before Trump and trying his best to convince him that it would be in Trump’s interest and the country’s interest for him to appear in tomorrow’s debate. Trump was not convinced.

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "Dominique Francon Society"] says:

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2016/01/27/neocohens-erick-erickson-is-even-crazier-than-we-thought/

    ROTFL. This is hilarious!!

    Steve Berman:

    “The only reason Donald Trump won’t repudiate the disgusting racists who argue his cause–who are indeed as bad or worse than the Left’s race-baiting white-haters–is because he needs them. Besides a pathological inability to refuse any kind of compliment, regardless of from whom it originated, Trump needs his coterie of ugly sub-basement dwellers because they force those who rely on rational, free thought to deal with irrational arguments and relieve him of responding to real criticism.”

    So, let me see. Jews can’t stand whites who think and act like Jews.
    Jews are all for identity, Jewish nationalism, Jewish unity, Jewish associations, Jewish history, and Jewish interests. That is all very good.
    But when whites want to be ‘Jewishy’ about their own identity, race, and history, OH NO!!! That is so ugly and disgusting.

    The Jewish Paradox. Jews cannot stand whites acting ‘Jewish’ and cannot stand Jews acting ‘white’.

    Jews must act ‘Jewish’: “our identity, our culture, our history”.

    Whites must act ‘white’: “we reject our identity, our culture, our history.”

    A Jew who acts ‘white’ is a ‘self-loathing Jew’, and a white who acts ‘Jewish’ is a ‘racist’.

    GOP should pander to arch-Jewish nationalists but never ever to white nationalists.

    LOL.

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  • I know I’ll regret asking, but to the Holocaust deniers:

    What about all the American GI’s who claim to have seen the camps? Overwhelmingly non-Jews. They took 8mm film, photographs, etc. Interviewed survivors on the spot. Wrote reports. And so on. The belief that this did actually happen went all the way up to Ike himself. Even Patton, who manifestly admired the Germans and thought we should ally with them against the USSR, believed it was real.

    All liars? All a centrally directed conspiracy from Tel Aviv? You have to dismiss all of that somehow.

    That’s before we even get to the massive trove of Third Reich documents which detail the whole thing.

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    There were Jews in camps, yes, but they weren't "death" camps and their purpose was not extermination. By the time Germany was finally defeated, the whole economy was a shambles and starvation and disease were taking their toll on everyone. The prisoners in the camps were naturally among the worst off.

    It must have been horrible, but it wasn't a "holocaust."
    , @nickels
    Of course there were camps. There were also allied camps where millions of Germans died.
    I think the controversy is more around the chambers. They appear to likely have been Soviet propaganda.
    Typhus killed millions.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=LLOqkg4k4HcAy0P8SzDZUyEA&v=aQjNs-Ght8s
    , @SolontoCroesus
    Firstly, I'm not a 'holocaust denier.' That frame implies that "holocaust affirmer" is the normal and unassailable state of affairs, a truth, like the earth is round(ish). In that frame, holocaust "deniers" are either aberrations, flat-earthers, 'denying' an obvious truth, or tinkerers at the margins -- "there were fewer than 6 million," for example. He who frames the question wins the debate; therefore, I refuse to be boxed into that frame and instead pose a different question, one implied in a statement by Robert Cohen last January --

    Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. If anything, today’s school children are in danger of thinking that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin went to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews. - http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/auschwitz-revisited#sthash.ZZodW7Ml.dpuf
     
    If thinking that war was waged against Hitler "because of what was happening to the Jews" is a "dangerous" proposition, implying that such is an erroneous line of thought, they why did Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin wage war against Hitler?

    I've been reading "FDR" by Jean Edward Smith. The author disclosed that beginning June 1933, one of FDR's first official acts as president was to recognize Stalin's Russia and to delegate Henry Morgenthau and William Bullitt to negotiate behind the backs of the State Department to retrieve property of Americans whose property had been caught up in the Russian revolution. This was the beginning of a very close relationship with Stalin that FDR set out to create and intensify over the course of the war.
    Also by 1933 Roosevelt had formed the determination to destroy Hitler.

    What else was going on in 1933?
    - Stalin and the Bolsheviks had already or were in the process of starving to death about 7 or 8 million Ukrainians;
    - Hitler was appointed chancellor, Jan 30 1933;
    - Louis Brandeis directed that "all Jews must leave Germany, all 587,000 of them."

    According to Brightman and Lichtman in "FDR and the Jews," shortly after Hitler's appointment, and upon consolidating power, "Nazis quelled physical violence against Jews . . . no Jews were sent to concentration camps until mid-November 1938."

    Stalin is killing millions while Hitler is "quelling violence against Jews," yet Brandeis directs that "all Jews must leave Germany" rather than taking action to protect Jews in Russia, Hungary, Poland, etc.
    That strikes me as odd, particularly since Rabbi Stephen Wise had been writing and preaching since at least 1900 that "Six million Jews in RUSSIA are being persecuted . . .starved . . .threatened with annihilation . . ."

    Stalin is killing millions while Hitler is "quelling violence against Jews," yet FDR chooses to ally with Stalin and sends his Secretary of Treasury, Henry Morgenthau, to work out financial deals with the Bolsheviks.
    That also seems odd: Jews are comparatively safe in Germany but mass killings are taking place in Russia, but FDR sends Morgenthau to negotiate with Stalin's Russia, and allies with Stalin.
    Wouldn't you think the champion of human rights and democracy would seek to stop the slaughter of Ukrainians?

    Why didn't FDR object to Stalin's slaughter of millions of Ukrainians but instead ally with Stalin, while determining to destroy Hitler -- who in 1933 had done nothing to USA?

    A C Grayling styles himself a moral philosopher. He wrote a book about the morality of Allied firebombing of Germany. He concluded that the firebombing was immoral, but it was essential to "destroy Nazism," so that mitigated the judgment.

    But Grayling did not explain why it was necessary to destroy Nazism.

    (I think there's a clue in the second part of Frank Capra's "Why We Fight" series, but I've already gone on too long on this track. )


    Regarding your immediate questions, about the pictures at the camps:

    Several years ago I purchased a DVD titled "Imaginary Witness: Hollywood and the Holocaust." It was among the first discordant notes that caused me to start to question the h. narrative. The DVD featured several of the filmmakers from Hollywood studios -- all directed by Jewish persons (who, by the way, had also been front and center in the production of propaganda to arouse Americans to get into the war. Hollywood moviemakers also participated in building "German village," where US Air Force perfected firebombing techniques deliberately aimed at killing working-class German civilians.).
    The guys in the DVD who said they filmed the camps were jerks; they were goofy. In psychological jargon, their affect was off. They acted more like a bunch of teenagers punching arms after they'd taken a joyride. They talked about how Ike got them to the camps before anybody else had arrived -- even before Red Cross. The purpose of the DVD was to capture the emotion of having been caught up in the war -- not history, emotion; "verisimilitude."

    More recently -- a few days ago -- I listened to a guy named Reicher, a judge iirc, give a talk about the importance of the pictures that Ike arranged to be taken at the camps. Reicher argued that the pictures tipped the scales at Nuremberg.

    The pictures are indeed horrific. I don't think they're faked -- except for the shrunken heads and skin lampshades, that is -- I have watched the US government-produced film reels of corpses and emaciated survivors; there is some hammery going on -- US soldiers who are carrying survivors smirk for the cameras and are a little too solicitous, for instance -- but it's hard to deny that there were a lot of corpses and a whole lot of human suffering that took place.

    But what do the pictures really tell us?

    Does a Jewish corpse look different from a non-Jewish corpse?
    How did those people die?
    WHEN did they die?
    WHY did they die?
    HOW did they die?
    WHO were those people? --- 7 million German civilians were deliberately "de-housed" in the firebombing campaign. Where did 7 million Germans go? Might some of those corpses have been Germans?

    The photos convey a great deal of shock value and provoke outrage, but they communicate very little information.

    The question of timing is particularly important, in my view. I've just started to think about this and might not be able to articulate it clearly, nor have I got the dates firmly in hand.

    The general idea is this: Eisenhower knew what was going on in the camps well before he arrived on the scene to liberate them.

    He knew because the British were intercepting German records.
    He knew because US had OSS and other spies all over the place.
    He knew because US and British were bombing the hell out of Germany and took aerial surveillance photos.

    Eisenhower knew that the camps were in disarray but did nothing because FDR had promised Stalin that he could have Poland, and Berlin.
    Eisenhower held US forces back from Berlin and the East because Stalin's forces under Zhukov were rampaging.

    Eisenhower could have mitigated the suffering in the camps but he chose to do nothing for several reasons, chief among them being that he needed the outrage value of the death and devastation he knew he would find in the camps to cover up the death and devastation the Allies had perpetrated throughout Germany.

    Robert McNamara knew that Americans and British were committing war crimes in Germany.
    Curtis LeMay knew in the midst of the war that if the US lost, it would would be charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity for firebombing Japan and Germany.

    Numerous military leaders and writers have stated that it was known in December 1941 that Germany was defeated.

    Yet in 1942 the US Air Force built German Village to perfect its firebombing technique and bombed Germany (and Japan) relentlessly, through 1943, 1944 and 1945.

    Moreover, FDR had decided, almost capriciously, by the time of the Casablanca conference in Jan. 1943 that Germany must surrender unconditionally.

    In short, I think -- I hypothesize -- that the Allies knew how bad conditions were in the camps because they bore a significant share of the responsibility for causing the devastation, starvation and disease. The Allies could have shortened/ended the war earlier but instead they prolonged it, fully aware of the toll on civilian lives.

    This is not to exculpate the Germans.
    You may have noticed that Germany has borne the lion's share of blame, punishment and guilt.
    http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Love-Wwii-History-Anything-About-It/1521822

    The USA has not owned up to its crimes against humanity and decency in that war.
    On the belief that it emerged from WWII a moral victor, USA has repeated its crimes against humanity, like an out-of-control drunk who thinks his inebriation is an expression of virtue and greatness.

    Yes, I think the pictures are real, but I'm not sure what they prove.
    They provided for Eisenhower and the folks back home ex post facto a sense of justification for a war against Germany the beginning of which had no justification.
    , @Jasper Been
    I think many historians would be interested in seeing the "massive trove of Third Reich documents which detail the whole thing" you speak of.

    Anyway I'd recommend the book Breaking the Spell by Nick Kollerstrom.

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  • Here’s a theory about Trump skipping the debate, or at least threatening to. If the Donald does show up, the Roger will have needed to ware a tutu at an interstate off ramp while holding up an INRI sign. If he doesn’t show, it’d be like Sampson selecting an ass’s jaw bone to slay the Philistines or Elijah having the offering and the wood doused with water before calling down the fire of the Lord. When Trump wins the first two primary contests, it won’t be momentum coming out of the debate. He will have done it with one hand tied behind his back and the other spanking Fox.

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "Dominique Francon Society"] says:
    @anonymous
    Trump won a whole lot of white male votes by shutting down Kelly's insults.

    AND

    he demonstrated that while the MSM may be powerful, he has the courage and principles to tell it to take a hike. He's not going to be intimidated by MSM power. That's huge.

    Third thing: that weenie Cruz puffed his chest & said I'll debate you mano a mano, no moderator. You scared of me, Donnie? (Cruz is a masterdebater)


    If you live in Flint, MI, and your kids are drinking water that is going to rot their brains, who do you want to be in a position to change the situation, a masterdebater or a developer who has dealt with sewer systems, water systems, bureaucracies, building codes, plumbing codes and the comparable qualities and cost-benefit analysis of goddam pipes for the last 30 years?

    ” (Cruz is a masterdebater)”

    Take out the ‘de’ and I agree.

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "Dominique Francon Society"] says:

    Deep State

    Sheep State

    Cheap State

    Peep State

    Keep State

    Bleep State

    Leap State

    Sleep State

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  • For web comments National Review uses DISCUS. For the last couple of days I’ve been perusing the comment section of NR Trump articles. Typically on web site with a clear ideological tilt, like NR, the majority of comments tend to be the choir singing back there approval and the shouting down those who disagree. But I’ve observed that comments have been about 2 even 3 to 1 in favor of Trump. Not only that, the comments have been articulate and state why there supporting Trump as opposed to the typical Yahoo comments of Go Trump. This should tell NR something but I guess they won’t care as long as they keep getting establishment contributions.

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  • @Clyde
    Just as I predicted. The deranged Jew haters of Unz.com descended on this well written article by Ellison Lodge who has never had his material posted at Unz before. This site needs some moderation instead of letting the deranged hijack innocent threads by posting the same dreck they have posted many times before. Steve/iSteve keeps you idiots on a short leash instead of allowing you all to pollute his postings. Derbyshire excludes your crap too.
    15 million Jews live on this planet among 7 billion people and you dumbasses try to blame everything bad on them same as Hitler and his gangsters.
    Giraldi likes your evil material so this is his own business and go have your fun there. But why do you have to ruin this post by Ellison Lodge? Why would he even want to write for Unz again? You guys have way too much time on your hands which leads to your obsessions. Idle hands being the Devil's workshop.

    What did you read that you disagreed with?

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Trump won a whole lot of white male votes by shutting down Kelly’s insults.

    AND

    he demonstrated that while the MSM may be powerful, he has the courage and principles to tell it to take a hike. He’s not going to be intimidated by MSM power. That’s huge.

    Third thing: that weenie Cruz puffed his chest & said I’ll debate you mano a mano, no moderator. You scared of me, Donnie? (Cruz is a masterdebater)

    If you live in Flint, MI, and your kids are drinking water that is going to rot their brains, who do you want to be in a position to change the situation, a masterdebater or a developer who has dealt with sewer systems, water systems, bureaucracies, building codes, plumbing codes and the comparable qualities and cost-benefit analysis of goddam pipes for the last 30 years?

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    " (Cruz is a masterdebater)"

    Take out the 'de' and I agree.
    , @tbraton
    I agree with your first three points, and I hope Trump has enough discipline not to involve himself in a purely local matter like Flint's drinking water problem. That should be left to the Governor of Michigan and the Mayor of Flint to work out. If elected, Trump will have much more important matters on his plate to deal with, from immigration to foreign affairs. To get bogged down in purely local matters would be a distraction and a waste of his valuable time. (I agree that he is probably best suited to handle that problem, but it would clearly be below his pay grade. I think as an experienced executive he knows a lot about delegating and deciding which issues merit his valuable, and limited, time.)
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  • “This is quite unlikely to have much of an effect on Trumps electoral fortunes. It can have a serious effect on Fox’s fortunes, however, if it gets painted with the same brush as the rest of the MSM. Given that Murdoch has no use for Trump, Fox will try more of what Kelly did, and Trump isn’t going to put up with Kelly being used in that fashion. Fox is more likely to get hurt in this than is Trump. That Ailes didn’t have much to say about it says that Ailes won’t be around much longer.”

    I tend to agree. One sign will be what ratings the upcoming debate gets if Trump goes through with his threat not to appear. I happen to think that Trump is the main reason the debates have gotten very large audiences thus far, blowing away the prior records. I was watching Fox News last night and got a preview of what Fox plans to do. Megyn Kelly used Trump as a punching bag as her guests Ted Cruz and ever fat Chris Christie took opportunities to punch and insult Trump in ways that they wouldn’t dare do on stage in his presence. If they do that tomorrow night, I don’t think it will go down real well with the audience that tunes in, which is likely to be much smaller than usual. Ms. Kelly played back her question at the first debate that drew Trump’s ire, as she recited insult after insult that Trump has directed at women over the years. I thought it was a preposterous question at the time, and I still think it is a preposterous question. I bet Ms. Kelly would not recite the long list of women Bill Clinton has sexually abused over the years if she had Hillary Clinton on stage in a debate and then ask her whether she approves of all those actions by her husband or whether she continues to attack those women. I don’t think this incident will affect Trump in Iowa at all. Polls currently show either a slight Trump lead or a substantial Trump lead. It will be close imo; he may win or he may lose. But that would have been true even if he attended the debate. He plans to attend the next debate in New Hampshire next week, and that will dispel whatever cloud was generated by this brouhaha. As far as arguing that Trump’s reluctance to face Megan Kelly shows that he is not tough enough to negotiate with the likes of Putin, that is a fatuous argument. Trump wasn’t born yesterday. He has had a lifetime of negotiating tough business deals, and he is not suddenly going to lose that knowledge gained from real experience. If the ratings fall off dramatically, Trump may actually be enhanced by this incident since he will have hurt Fox’s bottom line and shown how popular he is in the country.

    BTW the owner of Fox, Rupert Murdoch, has indicated that he will support a third party candidacy of Mike Bloomberg, so, if there was any doubt about Fox’s motivation in this matter, there shouldn’t be any now.

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    Rather than switch from Fox at 6:30 to NBC, as I usually do, I decided to stick with Fox in light of Donald Trump's withdrawal from tomorrow night's debate on Fox. Utterly hilarious. It was obvious to me that Fox is in panic mode over the lost advertising dollars resulting from Trump's decision to withdraw. Obviously, Rupert Murdoch knows full well that Trump is the reason the debates have become such ratings blockbusters that have shattered all previous records and he was desperately pulling out all the stops in a failed attempt to salvage what had been a very profitable cash cow as a result of Trump's presence. So we saw Charles Krauthammer on "Special Report" offering his "personal advice" to Trump urging him to participate in tomorrow's debate for "his own good" and "the good of the country." Since it is obvious to all that Krauthammer detests Trump and Trump feels likewise about Krauthammer, the utter hypocrisy was stunning. But that was nothing compared to the show we saw at 8 on "The O'Reilly Factor." Apparently, Trump had committed to O'Reilly a week ago to appear on tonight's show, and he fulfilled his commitment. O'Reilly was in full pandering mode, groveling before Trump and trying his best to convince him that it would be in Trump's interest and the country's interest for him to appear in tomorrow's debate. Trump was not convinced.
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  • @Priss Factor
    Get help.

    back at you, Priss.

    check this out for keen insights into graphomania

    The Midnight Disease: The Drive to Write, Writer’s Block, and the Creative Brain, by Alice W. Flaherty.

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  • @Sherman
    Wow, what a response!

    You're obviously a philosopher and intellectual. I don't have the brains to debate you.

    As far as your folks who taught you to respect all people are they the ones who taught you your favorite song - the Horst Wessel?

    You’re obviously a philosopher and intellectual. I don’t have the brains to debate you.

    I knew we could find something we both agree upon.

    But you’re not absolutely correct; it really doesn’t take extraordinary “brains” or “intellect” to see that the holocaust is a fraud; all it takes is placing some dates and events in chronological order, and also applying some rather universal notions about human nature to the seeming compulsion of so many Jewish writers to put their spider-thinking on paper.

    Most of what I read about holocaustism is by Jewish writers; it’s like they can’t contain the compulsion to pile more lies upon the old lies. Are there no lawyers around who could warn them: Don’t lie! It’s too hard to keep the stories straight! It’s the lies, it’s always the lies that trip up the guilty.
    Maybe Jews should adapt Catholic confession: they could get it off their chests in the privacy of a black box. Not so many book royalties, but it will prevent equally compulsive people like me from noticing that Jacob Rosencranz’s book of lies contradicts Haim Gilderstein’s book of lies.

    btw, what is so fearful about the Horst Wessel song? When I researched it to double-check what the heck you were kvetching about, google warned that it contained disturbing material (or something like that. I don’t linger on big brother pages).

    It’s a German military march. It’s about a German kid who got beat up and died; his comrades pledge to remember him as they defend their nation. Not an atypical bloody-shirt theme, set to the tune of an old German sea chanty. Why does it frighten you so?

    Speaking of German military songs, Rick Atkinson is another favorite source for wildly skewed discussion of World War II. In “An Army at Dawn” Atkinson complains that when some German group surrendered in N. Africa, they sang a German military march “with that annoying habit Germans have of clipping the endings.”

    Just shows you how evil those German soldiers truly were.

    Marschier’n im Geist in unser’n Reihen Mit|

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  • @Priss Factor
    Trump decline begins.

    His skipping the debate makes him look like a petulant and cowardly quitter.

    He looks wimpy and weak. He looks like he's ducking a fight, and why? Because he's afraid of some blonde bimbo? He should go on the debate and trample all over her.

    How is Trump gonna deal with tough leaders all over the world if he can't even stand up to a Fox News bimbo?

    Trump mocks the likes of Jeb of being weak, but this makes him look weak and childish. It's like a rich spoiled kid saying, "I won't come and play unless I get to play captain."

    Trump doesn't own Fox News. Fox News has the right to make its own decisions. And Trump should respect that. And if it isn't 'fair' to put Megan Kelly on, well too bad. Life is unfair. Indeed, white working class Americans know life isn't fair, and that is why they've latched onto Trump. So, the manly thing for Trump to do is go on the debate and prove that he fights the good fight even if life is unfair. His supporters will identify with him because they too have been cheated so often.

    Maybe deep down inside, Trump wants to quit. Maybe he is willfully beginning to derail himself to foul himself out. Maybe he can't take the heat anymore. Maybe he's feeling like Ross Perot who quit the race in 92 before he returned.
    Trump made a stupid comment about how his supporters would be with him even if he shot someone.
    Now, this idiot move.
    He's acting like Andrew Golota who willfully low-blowed Riddick Bowe and disqualified himself even though he was ahead on points in both fights.

    Trump doesn't appear to have the nerve, and I think he's trying to foul himself out.

    Trump and Fox used to have a good relationship. The first round with Kelly stunned Trump as he was not used to that sort of treatment by any of the Fox babes. Playing gotcha with Trump is never going to have a good ending when it’s Fox doing it.

    This is quite unlikely to have much of an effect on Trumps electoral fortunes. It can have a serious effect on Fox’s fortunes, however, if it gets painted with the same brush as the rest of the MSM. Given that Murdoch has no use for Trump, Fox will try more of what Kelly did, and Trump isn’t going to put up with Kelly being used in that fashion. Fox is more likely to get hurt in this than is Trump. That Ailes didn’t have much to say about it says that Ailes won’t be around much longer.

    He’s already said he would not stated things in the way Fox spokesman have done. Ailes has more sense than that.

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  • @Fran Macadam
    The genuine purge that the new NR crew carried out was against its founder William F. Buckley and his supporters. It was so complete that Buckley's last columns weren't even carried by the magazine, by edict of the neocon ideologues who've hijacked it.

    The purges began in the early 90s. It started with those who were against massive immigration – Buchanan, Francis and O’Sullivan. Later things got to be even more PC and Sobran, Derbyshire, and Colter were sent to the showers.

    It is no surprise that NR didn’t carry some of Buckley’s columns a bit before he died. My understanding is the guy was senile and mildly demented. A lot of what he wrote may have been nonsensical. Even if that weren’t the case, it was only what he had deserved given the karma he had built up starting with John Birch Society.

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "Dominique Francon Society"] says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    As for the Holocaust, white Americans need to demand that Jews thank them. After all, if UK and US had decided to side with Germany, Jews would have been finished. But US and UK sided with Jews against Germany and saved Jews. .
     
    utter bullshit, Priss.

    You still don't get it, do you.

    Germany did not set out to kill Jews.
    Jews set out to destroy Germany.
    Jews succeeded, with a little help from their friends -- heaven forbid a Jew should break a fingernail slaughtering the people who had extended security and prosperity to them for over a millennia.

    Take a quick look at some photos from 1945, Priss:
    What does Germany look like?
    What does Palestine look like?
    Jews were driven in their Mercedes limos to the luxury residences that Erich Mendelsohn built in Rehovath, munching on Jaffa oranges and the bounty of Jezrael.
    Germans were living is holes in the ground and prostituting themselves for a Hershey bar from GI occupiers.

    clue clue clue

    (Angela Merkel has got to be one of the most deluded dumbbells on the planet, still Stockholmed after all these years.)

    WWII was the Jewish-run scheme to get wealthy Jews who liked their lives in Germany to leave Germany for Palestine; to destroy Germany so that Jews would not be tempted to return, just like Moses had Levites slaughter Jews who worshiped the golden calf and wanted to return to Egypt rather than forge ahead with the conquest of Canaan. Those Jews that were killed in Europe were done so by zionist design -- they were unpleasant and impoverished Jews that zionists had no place for among the New Jew in Palestine.

    To accomplish this, ringmaster Bernard Baruch used his good friend Woodrow Wilson and his good friend Franklin Roosevelt. Roosevelt in turn used his good friend Josef Stalin. Winston Churchill is one of history's biggest dupes: FDR used him like a cheap call girl.

    the holocaust of Jews is a lie.

    Denial of the very real holocaust of Germans and Russians is perhaps the greatest conspiracy and crime in all of history.

    Get help.

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    back at you, Priss.

    check this out for keen insights into graphomania

    The Midnight Disease: The Drive to Write, Writer's Block, and the Creative Brain, by Alice W. Flaherty.
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  • Priss Factor [AKA "Dominique Francon Society"] says:

    Trump decline begins.

    His skipping the debate makes him look like a petulant and cowardly quitter.

    He looks wimpy and weak. He looks like he’s ducking a fight, and why? Because he’s afraid of some blonde bimbo? He should go on the debate and trample all over her.

    How is Trump gonna deal with tough leaders all over the world if he can’t even stand up to a Fox News bimbo?

    Trump mocks the likes of Jeb of being weak, but this makes him look weak and childish. It’s like a rich spoiled kid saying, “I won’t come and play unless I get to play captain.”

    Trump doesn’t own Fox News. Fox News has the right to make its own decisions. And Trump should respect that. And if it isn’t ‘fair’ to put Megan Kelly on, well too bad. Life is unfair. Indeed, white working class Americans know life isn’t fair, and that is why they’ve latched onto Trump. So, the manly thing for Trump to do is go on the debate and prove that he fights the good fight even if life is unfair. His supporters will identify with him because they too have been cheated so often.

    Maybe deep down inside, Trump wants to quit. Maybe he is willfully beginning to derail himself to foul himself out. Maybe he can’t take the heat anymore. Maybe he’s feeling like Ross Perot who quit the race in 92 before he returned.
    Trump made a stupid comment about how his supporters would be with him even if he shot someone.
    Now, this idiot move.
    He’s acting like Andrew Golota who willfully low-blowed Riddick Bowe and disqualified himself even though he was ahead on points in both fights.

    Trump doesn’t appear to have the nerve, and I think he’s trying to foul himself out.

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    • Replies: @Quartermaster
    Trump and Fox used to have a good relationship. The first round with Kelly stunned Trump as he was not used to that sort of treatment by any of the Fox babes. Playing gotcha with Trump is never going to have a good ending when it's Fox doing it.

    This is quite unlikely to have much of an effect on Trumps electoral fortunes. It can have a serious effect on Fox's fortunes, however, if it gets painted with the same brush as the rest of the MSM. Given that Murdoch has no use for Trump, Fox will try more of what Kelly did, and Trump isn't going to put up with Kelly being used in that fashion. Fox is more likely to get hurt in this than is Trump. That Ailes didn't have much to say about it says that Ailes won't be around much longer.

    He's already said he would not stated things in the way Fox spokesman have done. Ailes has more sense than that.
    , @The Z Blog
    https://punditfromanotherplanet.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/front4.jpg?w=590&h=661

    At a certain point, being wrong has to leave an impact. For six months you guys have been predicting that this was it, "He's gone too far!"

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  • Just as I predicted. The deranged Jew haters of Unz.com descended on this well written article by Ellison Lodge who has never had his material posted at Unz before. This site needs some moderation instead of letting the deranged hijack innocent threads by posting the same dreck they have posted many times before. Steve/iSteve keeps you idiots on a short leash instead of allowing you all to pollute his postings. Derbyshire excludes your crap too.
    15 million Jews live on this planet among 7 billion people and you dumbasses try to blame everything bad on them same as Hitler and his gangsters.
    Giraldi likes your evil material so this is his own business and go have your fun there. But why do you have to ruin this post by Ellison Lodge? Why would he even want to write for Unz again? You guys have way too much time on your hands which leads to your obsessions. Idle hands being the Devil’s workshop.

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    • Replies: @Jasper Been
    What did you read that you disagreed with?
    , @in the middle
    Clyde:

    I am half Jewish, and I don't like them! I met three Jews in the service, and two extremely unlikable, while the other was pleasant, and good person, (he was Baptist). I never told them I was Sephardim, so as to let them go on with their Talmudic behavior. How unpleasant they are!
    By the way, most 'white' looking Jews are converts throughout the millennia, white Europeans, slaves, who converted to their master's religion, Talmudism, otherwise known as Judaism. Plus the Khazars, So don't feel bad about disliking the khazars; there is nothing to like from the Khazars talmudists.
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  • @SolontoCroesus
    Hey Sherm -- Yeah, my parents did teach me to respect Jews -- and all people.

    A grandfather-in-law was a carpenter. In his old age he made small things, like this clever devise he called a Bullshit Grinder. The gears worked only if they were precisely aligned. Sorta like facts, and truth. The standard holocaust narrative just doesn't add up. I think it's time to process it through the BS grinder, grind out the knots and deception and get at the reality of the situation.

    Grandfather was of German ancestry.

    From the other side of the world, when I was in Iran I could not stop looking at the windows -- the intricate, precise, complex fretwork fascinated me. Algebra -- the alignment of the bones -- came to the West from the East.

    My own ancient ancestor (heh), Galileo, wrote that "Mathematics (algebra) is the language with which god wrote the universe."

    If the algebra is wrong, if the bones are misaligned, the windows don't go together. But thousands of windows in Iran, many of them hundreds of years old, still stand, are still aligned and precise. There's no room for cheating or lying if you want to make a window that will fit together and stand the test of time. And you can't bludgeon the pieces together, they have to be carefully measured, cut, and fitted.

    The same goes for the truths of history.

    The very facts that the alleged holocaust of Jews has to be shoved down the throats of impressionable children; and enforced on adults under state-imposed/extorted sanction and punishment, give the lie to the whole narrative.

    Wow, what a response!

    You’re obviously a philosopher and intellectual. I don’t have the brains to debate you.

    As far as your folks who taught you to respect all people are they the ones who taught you your favorite song – the Horst Wessel?

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    You’re obviously a philosopher and intellectual. I don’t have the brains to debate you.
     
    I knew we could find something we both agree upon.

    But you're not absolutely correct; it really doesn't take extraordinary "brains" or "intellect" to see that the holocaust is a fraud; all it takes is placing some dates and events in chronological order, and also applying some rather universal notions about human nature to the seeming compulsion of so many Jewish writers to put their spider-thinking on paper.

    Most of what I read about holocaustism is by Jewish writers; it's like they can't contain the compulsion to pile more lies upon the old lies. Are there no lawyers around who could warn them: Don't lie! It's too hard to keep the stories straight! It's the lies, it's always the lies that trip up the guilty.
    Maybe Jews should adapt Catholic confession: they could get it off their chests in the privacy of a black box. Not so many book royalties, but it will prevent equally compulsive people like me from noticing that Jacob Rosencranz's book of lies contradicts Haim Gilderstein's book of lies.

    btw, what is so fearful about the Horst Wessel song? When I researched it to double-check what the heck you were kvetching about, google warned that it contained disturbing material (or something like that. I don't linger on big brother pages).

    It's a German military march. It's about a German kid who got beat up and died; his comrades pledge to remember him as they defend their nation. Not an atypical bloody-shirt theme, set to the tune of an old German sea chanty. Why does it frighten you so?

    Speaking of German military songs, Rick Atkinson is another favorite source for wildly skewed discussion of World War II. In "An Army at Dawn" Atkinson complains that when some German group surrendered in N. Africa, they sang a German military march "with that annoying habit Germans have of clipping the endings."

    Just shows you how evil those German soldiers truly were.

    Marschier'n im Geist in unser'n Reihen Mit|
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  • @neutral
    I was taught to respect jews by my parents and at school, but I was always curious about things. The more I read about jews the more I could not, the damage they have caused and continue to cause has no equal.

    Glad you feel that way!

    Now I’m confused why you’re on Unz.com as Ron Unz is Jewish.

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  • @Sherman
    Ha!

    All this time I thought your parents taught you to respect Jews!

    I was taught to respect jews by my parents and at school, but I was always curious about things. The more I read about jews the more I could not, the damage they have caused and continue to cause has no equal.

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    Glad you feel that way!

    Now I'm confused why you're on Unz.com as Ron Unz is Jewish.
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  • @nickels
    Trump changed everything.
    The poison of the multiculturalist center is dead. Trump is the antidote.
    We are back to genius of Gustave Le Bon.

    A people thrive ONLY if they have an irrational ideology that the populace subscribes to. One with powerful symbology and imagery. The crowd abhors reason. Race and ideology are the key drivers of history. Buckley is either stupid, deluded, bought, or old and tired.
    Christianity served us for Millenia, even uniting the races. Its power to unite is unparalleled.

    The elites lean on reason. Stupid reason, but reason. Multicult has some legs with its symbols, but not enough. Reason is worthless for a national ideology. Dostoyevsky writes of it. Le Bon drives a stake in it.

    Once the ideology fractures the people decline. There is no room for doubt, doubt is death.

    I relish the impotence of these cuckservatives and their magazines.

    The poison recedes. Chaos ensues.
    Anarchy is better that cuckservatism.

    “Buckley is either stupid, deluded, bought, or old and tired.”

    oops.

    Never followed or cared for the cuckservatives much. That’s the best thing about being a PaleoAnarchist, I can transfer my disgust of the American ‘Right’ seamlessly from my Democrat days….

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  • @Sherman
    Ha!

    All this time I thought your parents taught you to respect Jews!

    Hey Sherm — Yeah, my parents did teach me to respect Jews — and all people.

    A grandfather-in-law was a carpenter. In his old age he made small things, like this clever devise he called a Bullshit Grinder. The gears worked only if they were precisely aligned. Sorta like facts, and truth. The standard holocaust narrative just doesn’t add up. I think it’s time to process it through the BS grinder, grind out the knots and deception and get at the reality of the situation.

    Grandfather was of German ancestry.

    From the other side of the world, when I was in Iran I could not stop looking at the windows — the intricate, precise, complex fretwork fascinated me. Algebra — the alignment of the bones — came to the West from the East.

    My own ancient ancestor (heh), Galileo, wrote that “Mathematics (algebra) is the language with which god wrote the universe.”

    If the algebra is wrong, if the bones are misaligned, the windows don’t go together. But thousands of windows in Iran, many of them hundreds of years old, still stand, are still aligned and precise. There’s no room for cheating or lying if you want to make a window that will fit together and stand the test of time. And you can’t bludgeon the pieces together, they have to be carefully measured, cut, and fitted.

    The same goes for the truths of history.

    The very facts that the alleged holocaust of Jews has to be shoved down the throats of impressionable children; and enforced on adults under state-imposed/extorted sanction and punishment, give the lie to the whole narrative.

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    • Replies: @Sherman
    Wow, what a response!

    You're obviously a philosopher and intellectual. I don't have the brains to debate you.

    As far as your folks who taught you to respect all people are they the ones who taught you your favorite song - the Horst Wessel?
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  • @SolontoCroesus

    As for the Holocaust, white Americans need to demand that Jews thank them. After all, if UK and US had decided to side with Germany, Jews would have been finished. But US and UK sided with Jews against Germany and saved Jews. .
     
    utter bullshit, Priss.

    You still don't get it, do you.

    Germany did not set out to kill Jews.
    Jews set out to destroy Germany.
    Jews succeeded, with a little help from their friends -- heaven forbid a Jew should break a fingernail slaughtering the people who had extended security and prosperity to them for over a millennia.

    Take a quick look at some photos from 1945, Priss:
    What does Germany look like?
    What does Palestine look like?
    Jews were driven in their Mercedes limos to the luxury residences that Erich Mendelsohn built in Rehovath, munching on Jaffa oranges and the bounty of Jezrael.
    Germans were living is holes in the ground and prostituting themselves for a Hershey bar from GI occupiers.

    clue clue clue

    (Angela Merkel has got to be one of the most deluded dumbbells on the planet, still Stockholmed after all these years.)

    WWII was the Jewish-run scheme to get wealthy Jews who liked their lives in Germany to leave Germany for Palestine; to destroy Germany so that Jews would not be tempted to return, just like Moses had Levites slaughter Jews who worshiped the golden calf and wanted to return to Egypt rather than forge ahead with the conquest of Canaan. Those Jews that were killed in Europe were done so by zionist design -- they were unpleasant and impoverished Jews that zionists had no place for among the New Jew in Palestine.

    To accomplish this, ringmaster Bernard Baruch used his good friend Woodrow Wilson and his good friend Franklin Roosevelt. Roosevelt in turn used his good friend Josef Stalin. Winston Churchill is one of history's biggest dupes: FDR used him like a cheap call girl.

    the holocaust of Jews is a lie.

    Denial of the very real holocaust of Germans and Russians is perhaps the greatest conspiracy and crime in all of history.

    Ha!

    All this time I thought your parents taught you to respect Jews!

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    Hey Sherm -- Yeah, my parents did teach me to respect Jews -- and all people.

    A grandfather-in-law was a carpenter. In his old age he made small things, like this clever devise he called a Bullshit Grinder. The gears worked only if they were precisely aligned. Sorta like facts, and truth. The standard holocaust narrative just doesn't add up. I think it's time to process it through the BS grinder, grind out the knots and deception and get at the reality of the situation.

    Grandfather was of German ancestry.

    From the other side of the world, when I was in Iran I could not stop looking at the windows -- the intricate, precise, complex fretwork fascinated me. Algebra -- the alignment of the bones -- came to the West from the East.

    My own ancient ancestor (heh), Galileo, wrote that "Mathematics (algebra) is the language with which god wrote the universe."

    If the algebra is wrong, if the bones are misaligned, the windows don't go together. But thousands of windows in Iran, many of them hundreds of years old, still stand, are still aligned and precise. There's no room for cheating or lying if you want to make a window that will fit together and stand the test of time. And you can't bludgeon the pieces together, they have to be carefully measured, cut, and fitted.

    The same goes for the truths of history.

    The very facts that the alleged holocaust of Jews has to be shoved down the throats of impressionable children; and enforced on adults under state-imposed/extorted sanction and punishment, give the lie to the whole narrative.
    , @neutral
    I was taught to respect jews by my parents and at school, but I was always curious about things. The more I read about jews the more I could not, the damage they have caused and continue to cause has no equal.
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  • Trump changed everything.
    The poison of the multiculturalist center is dead. Trump is the antidote.
    We are back to genius of Gustave Le Bon.

    A people thrive ONLY if they have an irrational ideology that the populace subscribes to. One with powerful symbology and imagery. The crowd abhors reason. Race and ideology are the key drivers of history. Buckley is either stupid, deluded, bought, or old and tired.
    Christianity served us for Millenia, even uniting the races. Its power to unite is unparalleled.

    The elites lean on reason. Stupid reason, but reason. Multicult has some legs with its symbols, but not enough. Reason is worthless for a national ideology. Dostoyevsky writes of it. Le Bon drives a stake in it.

    Once the ideology fractures the people decline. There is no room for doubt, doubt is death.

    I relish the impotence of these cuckservatives and their magazines.

    The poison recedes. Chaos ensues.
    Anarchy is better that cuckservatism.

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    • Replies: @nickels
    "Buckley is either stupid, deluded, bought, or old and tired."

    oops.

    Never followed or cared for the cuckservatives much. That's the best thing about being a PaleoAnarchist, I can transfer my disgust of the American 'Right' seamlessly from my Democrat days....
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  • With the bottom falling out of world shipping rates, we should be able to pick up a derelict freighter for Goldberg to go down with. Hey, we may even be able to get one big enough for the rest of the NeoCons to book passage on it as well. Over the Marianas Trench would be a good place for Lil Jonah to go down with the ship.

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  • War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    The only viable option for The Historic Native Born White American Majority Working Class is this:

    1)Hard core racial-xenophobia

    2)A recognition that they are being expelled out of their Historic Native Born White American Living and Breeding Space by Chinese,Koreans.Sihks,Pakistani Muslims,Mexicans…and Turks in the Poconos PA.

    3)A highly racialized economically progressive Native Born White American Working Class Revolt against The Greedy Cheating White Liberal Male MEGA-CEO…the most vile scum in the whole of the Universe!!!!

    4)a highly noninterventionist Foreign Policy…that’s if you are disgusted by 12 years of Wounded Warrior Project infomercials…..

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  • @Priss Factor
    NR should be called Donor Review.

    It's just a shill for the oligarchs.

    Also, Conservatism Inc. suffers from moral deficit.

    Because it has signed onto the cult of MLK and Holocaustianity, the Dems have moral advantage because it is more the party of Jews and blacks.

    So, the GOP, with its moral deficit, tries to gain some credit by going whole hog on appeasing Neocon Zionists. But Jews are smart and know what the GOP is up to. Besides, Neocons are already in the GOP manipulating the cuckywucks.
    And the GOP doesn't offer Jews anything they can't get from the Dems. Democrats are fully behind Israel, and Jews control much of American Liberalism and use it to direct most anger and fury at 'white privilege', Russia, and China.

    GOP would like to persuade people that Israel is a poor beleaguered nation thrown under the bus by Democrats, and stupid Evangelical Christian Zionists might fall for this, but no Jew among the Democrats are buying this, even as they occasionally lob a complaint at Obama, the puppet of Jews.

    The fact is Israel isn't in any kind of danger. And Jews have it so good in the US. The idea that Jews need GOP support for protection is laughable to Jews.

    But GOP carries on with this fiction cuz Neocons keep whispering into its ear that if GOP tries a bit harder in singing hosannas to Jews and Israel, Jews will finally come over to the GOP camp. A joke.

    American whites need to reject the MLK cult and Holocaust Cult.
    American whites must go fully HBD on race and explain that the main reason for black problems is racial differences, not history. Whites also need to highlight all the foul things done by blacks to liberate themselves from 'white guilt'. Also, whites need to point out that blacks had slavery for 10,000 yrs, and slavery was ended in the US and in Africa by whites.

    As for the Holocaust, white Americans need to demand that Jews thank them. After all, if UK and US had decided to side with Germany, Jews would have been finished. But US and UK sided with Jews against Germany and saved Jews. And many white gentiles died defeating Nazi Germany. Also, US provided help to Soviet Jews even though Soviet Jews had played a key role in the communization of Russia and mass repression and killing.

    So, white American gentiles owe the Jews NOTHING. If anything, white American gentiles should demand that Jews thank them for all time for having saved them in WWII and defeated Nazi Germany.

    Also, if Jews bring up slavery, whites need to mention that Jews were also involved in the slave trade. Jews also had slaves in the South. Jews also worked with whites in South Africa. And Israel was founded on ethnic cleansing. And communist Jews carried out all sorts of horrors in the USSR. They killed more people in a single decade than white Americans killed blacks in 300 yrs.

    Unless the Narrative of Guilt is changed, whites will continue to be moral cucks of Jews and Negroes.
    As long as American Conservatism accepts moral disadvantage vis-a-vis American Liberalism of Jews and Negroes, it will lack confidence and pride. It will always act in the manner of appeasement and pleading for mercy.

    Dems vs GOP in a nutshell.

    Dem: racist, racist, racist

    GOP: please don't call me racist.

    Dem: racist, racist, racist.

    GOP: oh please don't call me racist.

    Dem: racist, racist, racist

    GOP: pretty please don't call me racist.

    As for the Holocaust, white Americans need to demand that Jews thank them. After all, if UK and US had decided to side with Germany, Jews would have been finished. But US and UK sided with Jews against Germany and saved Jews. .

    utter bullshit, Priss.

    You still don’t get it, do you.

    Germany did not set out to kill Jews.
    Jews set out to destroy Germany.
    Jews succeeded, with a little help from their friends — heaven forbid a Jew should break a fingernail slaughtering the people who had extended security and prosperity to them for over a millennia.

    Take a quick look at some photos from 1945, Priss:
    What does Germany look like?
    What does Palestine look like?
    Jews were driven in their Mercedes limos to the luxury residences that Erich Mendelsohn built in Rehovath, munching on Jaffa oranges and the bounty of Jezrael.
    Germans were living is holes in the ground and prostituting themselves for a Hershey bar from GI occupiers.

    clue clue clue

    (Angela Merkel has got to be one of the most deluded dumbbells on the planet, still Stockholmed after all these years.)

    WWII was the Jewish-run scheme to get wealthy Jews who liked their lives in Germany to leave Germany for Palestine; to destroy Germany so that Jews would not be tempted to return, just like Moses had Levites slaughter Jews who worshiped the golden calf and wanted to return to Egypt rather than forge ahead with the conquest of Canaan. Those Jews that were killed in Europe were done so by zionist design — they were unpleasant and impoverished Jews that zionists had no place for among the New Jew in Palestine.

    To accomplish this, ringmaster Bernard Baruch used his good friend Woodrow Wilson and his good friend Franklin Roosevelt. Roosevelt in turn used his good friend Josef Stalin. Winston Churchill is one of history’s biggest dupes: FDR used him like a cheap call girl.

    the holocaust of Jews is a lie.

    Denial of the very real holocaust of Germans and Russians is perhaps the greatest conspiracy and crime in all of history.

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    Ha!

    All this time I thought your parents taught you to respect Jews!

    , @Priss Factor
    Get help.
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  • But GOP carries on with this fiction cuz Neocons keep whispering into its ear that if GOP tries a bit harder in singing hosannas to Jews and Israel, Jews will finally come over to the GOP camp. A joke.

    The real reason is not Jewish votes, which, as you note, is impossible for the GOP to win, but rather Jewish money–i.e., Sheldon Adelson.

    Puppets!

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  • The genuine purge that the new NR crew carried out was against its founder William F. Buckley and his supporters. It was so complete that Buckley’s last columns weren’t even carried by the magazine, by edict of the neocon ideologues who’ve hijacked it.

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    • Replies: @Quartermaster
    The purges began in the early 90s. It started with those who were against massive immigration - Buchanan, Francis and O'Sullivan. Later things got to be even more PC and Sobran, Derbyshire, and Colter were sent to the showers.

    It is no surprise that NR didn't carry some of Buckley's columns a bit before he died. My understanding is the guy was senile and mildly demented. A lot of what he wrote may have been nonsensical. Even if that weren't the case, it was only what he had deserved given the karma he had built up starting with John Birch Society.
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  • Pretty clearly what’s occurring here is that the battle in the political sphere for the soul of the Republican party, between Trump’s Buchananite populism and the Neocons’ international Zio-capitalism, is being mirrored in the semantic sphere by an increasingly Talmudic discussion of what the real meaning of “conservatism” is. Thankfully, both politics and semantics are very much on the side of the Trumpster. With each passing day the National Review-style Republicans are being exposed for the minority occupation, Left-lite cabal they always have been.

    True conservatism, while difficult to define in a denotative manner, can at least be fairly straightforwardly described as that which stands in opposition to Empire (as over against organic national politics), abstract intellectual values (e.g. multiculturalism, the “Rights of Man,” even democracy itself), and money as a political force. In these respects, not only is Trump very much a true conservative, he is a deeply died and richly textured one at that.

    We have not really entered the 21st century yet. Right now, in 2016, we are still living in the long coda of the 20th century, the last chapter of the Great War saeculum. The Trump campaign and its resounding popularity is very much a fin-de-siecle phenomenon which will close the books on that historical aberration known as “the American century” once and for all.

    He will make America great again, but it will be great and quiet instead of great and bellicose—a Tokugawa America. I like the sound of that.

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "Dominique Francon Society"] says:

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2016/01/27/cuckservatives-the-race-obsessed-left-created-the-alt-right/comment-page-1/

    Funny stuff.

    David French:

    “If anyone besides the members of the alt-right is responsible for the latest iteration of whiteness-obsessed fanaticism, is it the conservative movement that is consistently calling for a colorblind politics and culture — echoing Martin Luther King’s call to look to the content of one’s character over the color of one’s skin? Or is it the progressive movement that pushes explicitly race-based organizations such as La Raza or Black Lives Matter while specifically scorning whites, Western civilization, and so-called white privilege?”

    Conservative Inc. is for colorblind politics and culture? Really? If Conservative Inc is for judging individuals by ‘content of character’, why does it support Israel in a wholesale manner? Why does it favor ONE nation over all others?
    Why does Conservative Inc favors Jews over Palestinians? How come Israel can violate all international laws and have 200 nukes while Iran got hit with sanctions for so long for nukes it didn’t even have?

    So much for colorblindness. Jews have money, and Conservative Inc has always judged things on the color of money.

    Besides, if color doesn’t matter, why does Conservative Inc agree with Democrats that ‘diversity is our strength’? I mean if all peoples and groups are interchangeable and if ‘race is just a myth’, why do we need diversity when all group are or should be the same, only to be judged according to individuals?

    Another thing. If there are individual differences, why can’t there be group differences? If individual differences do exist, might not there be a chance that certain groups might have more of certain individuals than other groups? Might not there more more high IQ individuals among Jews and more high-muscle individuals among blacks? If all individuals were the same, this would matter. But if individuals can be different, then groups can have different shares of certain individuals.

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  • @Priss Factor
    NR should be called Donor Review.

    It's just a shill for the oligarchs.

    Also, Conservatism Inc. suffers from moral deficit.

    Because it has signed onto the cult of MLK and Holocaustianity, the Dems have moral advantage because it is more the party of Jews and blacks.

    So, the GOP, with its moral deficit, tries to gain some credit by going whole hog on appeasing Neocon Zionists. But Jews are smart and know what the GOP is up to. Besides, Neocons are already in the GOP manipulating the cuckywucks.
    And the GOP doesn't offer Jews anything they can't get from the Dems. Democrats are fully behind Israel, and Jews control much of American Liberalism and use it to direct most anger and fury at 'white privilege', Russia, and China.

    GOP would like to persuade people that Israel is a poor beleaguered nation thrown under the bus by Democrats, and stupid Evangelical Christian Zionists might fall for this, but no Jew among the Democrats are buying this, even as they occasionally lob a complaint at Obama, the puppet of Jews.

    The fact is Israel isn't in any kind of danger. And Jews have it so good in the US. The idea that Jews need GOP support for protection is laughable to Jews.

    But GOP carries on with this fiction cuz Neocons keep whispering into its ear that if GOP tries a bit harder in singing hosannas to Jews and Israel, Jews will finally come over to the GOP camp. A joke.

    American whites need to reject the MLK cult and Holocaust Cult.
    American whites must go fully HBD on race and explain that the main reason for black problems is racial differences, not history. Whites also need to highlight all the foul things done by blacks to liberate themselves from 'white guilt'. Also, whites need to point out that blacks had slavery for 10,000 yrs, and slavery was ended in the US and in Africa by whites.

    As for the Holocaust, white Americans need to demand that Jews thank them. After all, if UK and US had decided to side with Germany, Jews would have been finished. But US and UK sided with Jews against Germany and saved Jews. And many white gentiles died defeating Nazi Germany. Also, US provided help to Soviet Jews even though Soviet Jews had played a key role in the communization of Russia and mass repression and killing.

    So, white American gentiles owe the Jews NOTHING. If anything, white American gentiles should demand that Jews thank them for all time for having saved them in WWII and defeated Nazi Germany.

    Also, if Jews bring up slavery, whites need to mention that Jews were also involved in the slave trade. Jews also had slaves in the South. Jews also worked with whites in South Africa. And Israel was founded on ethnic cleansing. And communist Jews carried out all sorts of horrors in the USSR. They killed more people in a single decade than white Americans killed blacks in 300 yrs.

    Unless the Narrative of Guilt is changed, whites will continue to be moral cucks of Jews and Negroes.
    As long as American Conservatism accepts moral disadvantage vis-a-vis American Liberalism of Jews and Negroes, it will lack confidence and pride. It will always act in the manner of appeasement and pleading for mercy.

    Dems vs GOP in a nutshell.

    Dem: racist, racist, racist

    GOP: please don't call me racist.

    Dem: racist, racist, racist.

    GOP: oh please don't call me racist.

    Dem: racist, racist, racist

    GOP: pretty please don't call me racist.

    You wrote everything that I wanted to say, thanks.

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "Dominique Francon Society"] says:
    @Anonymous
    "Nowhere is this more true than on the issues of race and immigration. And when confronted on these shifts in principle, National Review often resorts to arguments about practicality rather than principles."

    I can think of somewhere it is more true: gay marriage.

    All the more so because even this publication is glossing over it.

    NR should be called Donor Review.

    It’s just a shill for the oligarchs.

    Also, Conservatism Inc. suffers from moral deficit.

    Because it has signed onto the cult of MLK and Holocaustianity, the Dems have moral advantage because it is more the party of Jews and blacks.

    So, the GOP, with its moral deficit, tries to gain some credit by going whole hog on appeasing Neocon Zionists. But Jews are smart and know what the GOP is up to. Besides, Neocons are already in the GOP manipulating the cuckywucks.
    And the GOP doesn’t offer Jews anything they can’t get from the Dems. Democrats are fully behind Israel, and Jews control much of American Liberalism and use it to direct most anger and fury at ‘white privilege’, Russia, and China.

    GOP would like to persuade people that Israel is a poor beleaguered nation thrown under the bus by Democrats, and stupid Evangelical Christian Zionists might fall for this, but no Jew among the Democrats are buying this, even as they occasionally lob a complaint at Obama, the puppet of Jews.

    The fact is Israel isn’t in any kind of danger. And Jews have it so good in the US. The idea that Jews need GOP support for protection is laughable to Jews.

    But GOP carries on with this fiction cuz Neocons keep whispering into its ear that if GOP tries a bit harder in singing hosannas to Jews and Israel, Jews will finally come over to the GOP camp. A joke.

    American whites need to reject the MLK cult and Holocaust Cult.
    American whites must go fully HBD on race and explain that the main reason for black problems is racial differences, not history. Whites also need to highlight all the foul things done by blacks to liberate themselves from ‘white guilt’. Also, whites need to point out that blacks had slavery for 10,000 yrs, and slavery was ended in the US and in Africa by whites.

    As for the Holocaust, white Americans need to demand that Jews thank them. After all, if UK and US had decided to side with Germany, Jews would have been finished. But US and UK sided with Jews against Germany and saved Jews. And many white gentiles died defeating Nazi Germany. Also, US provided help to Soviet Jews even though Soviet Jews had played a key role in the communization of Russia and mass repression and killing.

    So, white American gentiles owe the Jews NOTHING. If anything, white American gentiles should demand that Jews thank them for all time for having saved them in WWII and defeated Nazi Germany.

    Also, if Jews bring up slavery, whites need to mention that Jews were also involved in the slave trade. Jews also had slaves in the South. Jews also worked with whites in South Africa. And Israel was founded on ethnic cleansing. And communist Jews carried out all sorts of horrors in the USSR. They killed more people in a single decade than white Americans killed blacks in 300 yrs.

    Unless the Narrative of Guilt is changed, whites will continue to be moral cucks of Jews and Negroes.
    As long as American Conservatism accepts moral disadvantage vis-a-vis American Liberalism of Jews and Negroes, it will lack confidence and pride. It will always act in the manner of appeasement and pleading for mercy.

    Dems vs GOP in a nutshell.

    Dem: racist, racist, racist

    GOP: please don’t call me racist.

    Dem: racist, racist, racist.

    GOP: oh please don’t call me racist.

    Dem: racist, racist, racist

    GOP: pretty please don’t call me racist.

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    You wrote everything that I wanted to say, thanks.
    , @SolontoCroesus

    As for the Holocaust, white Americans need to demand that Jews thank them. After all, if UK and US had decided to side with Germany, Jews would have been finished. But US and UK sided with Jews against Germany and saved Jews. .
     
    utter bullshit, Priss.

    You still don't get it, do you.

    Germany did not set out to kill Jews.
    Jews set out to destroy Germany.
    Jews succeeded, with a little help from their friends -- heaven forbid a Jew should break a fingernail slaughtering the people who had extended security and prosperity to them for over a millennia.

    Take a quick look at some photos from 1945, Priss:
    What does Germany look like?
    What does Palestine look like?
    Jews were driven in their Mercedes limos to the luxury residences that Erich Mendelsohn built in Rehovath, munching on Jaffa oranges and the bounty of Jezrael.
    Germans were living is holes in the ground and prostituting themselves for a Hershey bar from GI occupiers.

    clue clue clue

    (Angela Merkel has got to be one of the most deluded dumbbells on the planet, still Stockholmed after all these years.)

    WWII was the Jewish-run scheme to get wealthy Jews who liked their lives in Germany to leave Germany for Palestine; to destroy Germany so that Jews would not be tempted to return, just like Moses had Levites slaughter Jews who worshiped the golden calf and wanted to return to Egypt rather than forge ahead with the conquest of Canaan. Those Jews that were killed in Europe were done so by zionist design -- they were unpleasant and impoverished Jews that zionists had no place for among the New Jew in Palestine.

    To accomplish this, ringmaster Bernard Baruch used his good friend Woodrow Wilson and his good friend Franklin Roosevelt. Roosevelt in turn used his good friend Josef Stalin. Winston Churchill is one of history's biggest dupes: FDR used him like a cheap call girl.

    the holocaust of Jews is a lie.

    Denial of the very real holocaust of Germans and Russians is perhaps the greatest conspiracy and crime in all of history.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Nowhere is this more true than on the issues of race and immigration. And when confronted on these shifts in principle, National Review often resorts to arguments about practicality rather than principles.”

    I can think of somewhere it is more true: gay marriage.

    All the more so because even this publication is glossing over it.

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    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    NR should be called Donor Review.

    It's just a shill for the oligarchs.

    Also, Conservatism Inc. suffers from moral deficit.

    Because it has signed onto the cult of MLK and Holocaustianity, the Dems have moral advantage because it is more the party of Jews and blacks.

    So, the GOP, with its moral deficit, tries to gain some credit by going whole hog on appeasing Neocon Zionists. But Jews are smart and know what the GOP is up to. Besides, Neocons are already in the GOP manipulating the cuckywucks.
    And the GOP doesn't offer Jews anything they can't get from the Dems. Democrats are fully behind Israel, and Jews control much of American Liberalism and use it to direct most anger and fury at 'white privilege', Russia, and China.

    GOP would like to persuade people that Israel is a poor beleaguered nation thrown under the bus by Democrats, and stupid Evangelical Christian Zionists might fall for this, but no Jew among the Democrats are buying this, even as they occasionally lob a complaint at Obama, the puppet of Jews.

    The fact is Israel isn't in any kind of danger. And Jews have it so good in the US. The idea that Jews need GOP support for protection is laughable to Jews.

    But GOP carries on with this fiction cuz Neocons keep whispering into its ear that if GOP tries a bit harder in singing hosannas to Jews and Israel, Jews will finally come over to the GOP camp. A joke.

    American whites need to reject the MLK cult and Holocaust Cult.
    American whites must go fully HBD on race and explain that the main reason for black problems is racial differences, not history. Whites also need to highlight all the foul things done by blacks to liberate themselves from 'white guilt'. Also, whites need to point out that blacks had slavery for 10,000 yrs, and slavery was ended in the US and in Africa by whites.

    As for the Holocaust, white Americans need to demand that Jews thank them. After all, if UK and US had decided to side with Germany, Jews would have been finished. But US and UK sided with Jews against Germany and saved Jews. And many white gentiles died defeating Nazi Germany. Also, US provided help to Soviet Jews even though Soviet Jews had played a key role in the communization of Russia and mass repression and killing.

    So, white American gentiles owe the Jews NOTHING. If anything, white American gentiles should demand that Jews thank them for all time for having saved them in WWII and defeated Nazi Germany.

    Also, if Jews bring up slavery, whites need to mention that Jews were also involved in the slave trade. Jews also had slaves in the South. Jews also worked with whites in South Africa. And Israel was founded on ethnic cleansing. And communist Jews carried out all sorts of horrors in the USSR. They killed more people in a single decade than white Americans killed blacks in 300 yrs.

    Unless the Narrative of Guilt is changed, whites will continue to be moral cucks of Jews and Negroes.
    As long as American Conservatism accepts moral disadvantage vis-a-vis American Liberalism of Jews and Negroes, it will lack confidence and pride. It will always act in the manner of appeasement and pleading for mercy.

    Dems vs GOP in a nutshell.

    Dem: racist, racist, racist

    GOP: please don't call me racist.

    Dem: racist, racist, racist.

    GOP: oh please don't call me racist.

    Dem: racist, racist, racist

    GOP: pretty please don't call me racist.
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