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    The corporate-deep-state theory In a recent UNZ article titled: Political science’s “theory of everything” a concise map of the US establishment, both the visible and invisible government was mapped. Based on this map a theory emerged that showed how the visible government has been subverted by an invisible unelected government that was described as a...
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  • The corporate-deep-state theory In a recent UNZ article titled: Political science’s “theory of everything” a concise map of the US establishment, both the visible and invisible government was mapped. Based on this map a theory emerged that showed how the visible government has been subverted by an invisible unelected government that was described as a...
  • @joewitless

    Where is the editor here anyway? Worth less than a jewyorktimes editorial.

    Joe Webb

     

    If there were an editor eliminating valueless comments yours would be the first to go. Why hang around and make endless and abusive comments, all of which are profoundly stupid? Don't like some particular writer then move on. You and a few other insulting pinhead commenters merely detract from this website.

    You sir are the echo in echo chamber. Don’t like critics? This article begs for insult. One unsubstantiated claim after another building a theory that reduces the World to a simple formula. If only history were so tidy, logical, and “scientific.” Politics like economics and all social “sciences” is too complex to reduce to such childish oversimplification. This article’s kindred analogy would be the computer models that “prove” global warming. Lots of debatable “facts” that in turn are used to build a theory of globally connected “deep” state competing cabals that are using nations as puppets. Very appealing order of things to those with a certain inclination of mind (It’s the matrix!). All because a doofus some years back said there is a NWO and that must mean…. May the farce be with you.

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  • The 7 “Blind” men and the US Elephant The famous Indian story of the Blind Men and the Elephant is a metaphor highlighting that while one’s subjective experience can be true, it can also be limited by its failure to account for other truths or a totality of truth. A similar metaphor can be used...
  • The corporate-deep-state theory In a recent UNZ article titled: Political science’s “theory of everything” a concise map of the US establishment, both the visible and invisible government was mapped. Based on this map a theory emerged that showed how the visible government has been subverted by an invisible unelected government that was described as a...
  • @Anon
    It gives a strange feeling to see a US (or any Western nation's) President say something like:

    Withdrawing from the TTP is going to be great for workers.

    Or even when he says a thing like I'm a very big person when it comes to the environment,
    butut some of that stuff makes it impossible to get anything built


    The people operating within the grey and dark boxes in your tables must use all their talents and resources to keep a man like this from being adored by 80% of the people.
    They are managing it.

    Too bad so few of the influential people care for the normal (80% of the population), and Trump is in kind of a one-vs-all game.

    You insist that the military elite is with him, and that may make for a decisive difference from JFK's case. He has also tried to ally with other powerful people, in a "I let you do what you really care about, you let me do what I really care about" fashion that, not surprisingly, most of his supporters don't understand.

    Actually, you say he was chosen by the military faction of the elite. This means he didn't come to us spontaneously from the start, but rather he was contacted by this part of the elite, they had a discussion, and he accepted the task of representing them.

    It's very hard to know if this is the truth, or he just entered the scene all on his own, captured people's hearts, and then the non-dominant faction of the elite saw their man in him.
    If I had to bet, I'd bet on the latter.
    This is one of those rare times the masses had actual influence.

    Trump is a representative of the military faction. The fact that he will maintain US economic and military supremacy by transitioning America from a neoliberal unilateral empire to a economic nationalistic mulilateral empire tells me that he is following a well written script.
    The days of the Wall St led corporatocracy are coming to an end. The locus of power has now shifted to the Pentagon.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    DONALD TRUMP: We are transferring power from Washington, D.C. and giving it back to you, the people.

    CROWD: (applause)

    DONALD TRUMP: For too long a small group in our nation’s capital has reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost. Washington flourished but the people did not share in its wealth.

    And they call this populism!

    Populism it would be, if it weren’t sincere.
    As it is sincere, it is democracy.
    Sure, elite are never going to be so stupid as to not label democracy as “populism”.

    Real populism is one of the essential elite’s means of government and deception, actually.

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:

    It gives a strange feeling to see a US (or any Western nation’s) President say something like:

    Withdrawing from the TTP is going to be great for workers.

    Or even when he says a thing like I’m a very big person when it comes to the environment,
    butut some of that stuff makes it impossible to get anything built

    The people operating within the grey and dark boxes in your tables must use all their talents and resources to keep a man like this from being adored by 80% of the people.
    They are managing it.

    Too bad so few of the influential people care for the normal (80% of the population), and Trump is in kind of a one-vs-all game.

    You insist that the military elite is with him, and that may make for a decisive difference from JFK’s case. He has also tried to ally with other powerful people, in a “I let you do what you really care about, you let me do what I really care about” fashion that, not surprisingly, most of his supporters don’t understand.

    Actually, you say he was chosen by the military faction of the elite. This means he didn’t come to us spontaneously from the start, but rather he was contacted by this part of the elite, they had a discussion, and he accepted the task of representing them.

    It’s very hard to know if this is the truth, or he just entered the scene all on his own, captured people’s hearts, and then the non-dominant faction of the elite saw their man in him.
    If I had to bet, I’d bet on the latter.
    This is one of those rare times the masses had actual influence.

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    Trump is a representative of the military faction. The fact that he will maintain US economic and military supremacy by transitioning America from a neoliberal unilateral empire to a economic nationalistic mulilateral empire tells me that he is following a well written script.
    The days of the Wall St led corporatocracy are coming to an end. The locus of power has now shifted to the Pentagon.
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  • […] she needed. But she then lost a decisive group due to her uncompromising neo-conned foreign policy. Here is an interesting take based on a theory from the […]

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  • The next four years will be interesting. Let’s pray for peace, but prepare for strife.

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  • […] Political Science’s “Theory of Everything” on the 2016 US Election | 19 Jan 2017 | [Had enough of the hysterical hue and cry, the hand-wringing, the gnashing of teeth, and the hyperbolic screeching from the ideologically-committed, intellectually bankrupt and empty-headed media pundits, the protesters, and the other lugubrious mourners of Trump’s ascension? Then read this.] The invisible rulers of the US establishment were revealed by Professor C. Wright Mill in his article titled, The Structure of Power in American Society (The British Journal of Sociology, March 1958), in which he explains how, “the high military, the corporation executives, the political directorate have tended to come together to form the power elite of America”…He describes how the power elite can be best described as a “triangle of power,” linking the corporate, executive government, and military factions: “There is a political economy numerously linked with military order and decision. This triangle of power is now a structural fact, and it is the key to any understanding of the higher circles in America today.” The 2016 US election, like all other US elections, featured a gallery of pre-selected candidates that represented the three factions and their interests within the power elite. The 2016 US election, however, was vastly different from previous elections. As the election dragged on the power elite became bitterly divided, with the majority supporting Hilary Clinton, the candidate pre-selected by the political and corporate factions, while the military faction rallied around their choice of Donald Trump. [Thus, what we are experiencing is a division and struggle within the ruling sectors, not fascism versus some innocent liberalism. The “innocent liberalism” is thin scrim for a ruling sector, the corporatocacy. The media mouthpieces of these “innocent liberals” are trying to tarnish another faction by calling them “fascists.” And liberals and leftists act as if the corporate sector is not behind it. Perhaps they don’t realize that the New York Times, the Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN and other corporate media outlets are speaking for corporations! In faet, they ARE corporations, speaking.] […]

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  • […] Political Science’s “Theory of Everything” on the 2016 US Election | 19 Jan 2017 | [Had enough of the hysterical hue and cry, the hand-wringing, the gnashing of teeth, and the hyperbolic screeching from the ideologically-committed, intellectually bankrupt and empty-headed media pundits, the protesters, and the other lugubrious mourners of Trump’s ascension? Then read this.] The invisible rulers of the US establishment were revealed by Professor C. Wright Mill in his article titled, The Structure of Power in American Society (The British Journal of Sociology, March 1958), in which he explains how, “the high military, the corporation executives, the political directorate have tended to come together to form the power elite of America”…He describes how the power elite can be best described as a… […]

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  • @RobinG
    Hi Joe,

    You said, "All these ME wars, and 9-11-01 are because of Israel." It's not quite clear how you mean that. Israel is definitely an important factor, and the wars might never have happened without it. But it's not the only cause, and Israel alone couldn't force the wars without converging interests 0f the MIC (war for the sake of profit), Wall Street (preserving the Petro-Dollar), etc. The desire for dominance is both financial and ideological.

    Thank you, Joe, for keeping Israel on the radar. The currently vogue pipe-line theory for the war on Syria, pushed by RFK Jr. and others, seems a sadly over-simplified distraction. RFK Jr., and also Va. Sen. Richard Black who has done much valuable research on Syria, strive to shift the blame onto Saudi Arabia and the Gulfies, and refuse to mention Israel. They also ignore the raw Anglo-ZUSA drive for power and control. The Saudi pipe-line proposal didn't come until 2000, feeding neatly into an existing scheme.

    We've all heard Gen. Wesley Clark's story about 7 countries in 5 years, but I just saw this clip in which he takes it back to 1991 and Paul Wolfowitz. This is old cold war stuff. Right after the first Gulf War, Wolfowitz opined that we (the US) should overturn all the old Soviet allies in the Mid-East. It's worth watching. (only 7 minutes)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUCwCgthp_E
    General Wesley Clark: The US will attack 7 countries in 5 years

    “…and Israel alone couldn’t force the wars without converging interests 0f the MIC (war for the sake of profit), Wall Street (preserving the Petro-Dollar), etc. The desire for dominance is both financial and ideological.” What is MIC.

    Disagree, but I am willing to listen to you amplify this argument. The standard history on the neocons is The Transparent Cabal, by Sniegowski (sp?). It is ALL Israel. There is nothing we need from the ME. Certainly not worth the trillions of military costs. Oil is cheap and plentiful world-wide as I noted earlier. There is nothing else there to make any money on. Period.

    Dominance….why not dominate various other parts of the globe…like Venezuela, which at least is sitting on some of our oil.

    Your imagination is out of control. Petro-Dollar, another brain teaser…please explain what that is. Hint…a dollars is worth what it will buy, and nothing more. Oil has little to do with it. Same thing with the world currency deal. Nobody is going to change to another currency cuz the US dollar is the safest. Period.

    If another currency appeared, like the chink funny money, and it actually worked for more than a month or two, it is true that the US dollar internationally would be cheapened. That would be good for our exports. Who cares. Not borrowing more US debt would force us to stop our spendthrift ways…that too would be good for us.

    Joe Webb

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  • @David Chibo
    Great point. In my podcast I mention how Wolfowitz, who I believe is a conspiring member of the power elite, wanted at the time of the 91 Gulf War to take out some of the same 7 countries. There's also Dick Cheney who is also clearly a member of the cabal guiding the plans of the power elite.

    The power elite deliberately setup the think tank called PNAC and have them slowly prepare plans for invading Iraq.

    Other members of PNAC include the neoliberal true believers like Francis Fukuyama who later recounted his involvement in the Iraq invasion and occupation:

    Three years on, he is a chastened man. With the benefit of hindsight, he now sees that he and other "neoconservative" proponents of regime-change in Iraq were naive. If that country today is an ungovernable mess - economically prostrate, chronically violent and slithering into a civil war of unforeseeable duration - then neocon naivety is in large measure to blame.

     

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3623932/Yes-the-US-got-it-wrong-but-it-doesnt-need-to-apologise.html

    more obfuscation from the left…the neocons as Power Elite. Why try that one on us? Common usage now for over a decade is Neocons, as in Jew.

    Power Elite…sounds like you been reading some old C Wright Mills from the 60s. what kind of a name is Chilbo anyway. Are you white or something else? Who do your represent?

    JW

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  • @pggii
    You're an idiot if you aren't yet aware of the "New World Order" and The Powers That Be have been running America for over 100 years!

    "TPTB" or, "New World Order" or the newly used: "Deep State" moniker has also been HIDING technology for over 60 years, like:

    1. Free Energy (stolen from Tesla after his murder)
    2. Directed Energy Weapons (DEW -- also from Tesla)
    3. SPACE SHIPS and FLYING SAUCERS!!!! Thanks to reverse-engineering of various craft that have either crashed or been shot down in America -- YES FOLKS....ALIENS HAVE BEEN HERE AND WORKING WITH US FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW! Part of the reason JFK was assassinated, was, he was going to 'reign in' the CIA and reveal their projects with aliens and the fact that aliens even existed! GOOGLE IT!
    4. Quantum Physics-based Time-Travel Jump Rooms: capable of jumping to the Moon or Mars, where we have bases and colonies ALREADY!!!

    Last Point: Both Trump AND Clinton tried to steal the election using various methods like, redistricting, fucking w/ the election machines (Clinton) -- especially the one's made by Diebold -- were hacked and software was modified to change the outcome of individual votes.

    Trump is just a better "thief" ....

    In closing, Trump is here to eviscerate the New World Order before they enslave each and every one of us. They already have us living "IN THE MATRIX" that they've been creating.

    Oh yeah, btw... the Nazis WON the war, and WE LOST! Hitler had a plan B to set up shop in Antarctica and created "Base 211" there with the help of E.T.'s, who also helped the Nazis build flying saucers, etc. -- Google "Operation HighJump" and Admiral Byrd for extensive background. The Nazis started moving classified projects to Antarctica BEFORE declaring WWII !!! They executed Plan B before Plan A!! Very smart...

    The Powers That Be, at that time, wanted that tech, etc., so they created a project called: Operation Paperclip -- bringing Nazi Scientists (Werner von Braun was one of 'em -- he started NASA!) and other personnel to America set them up as NON-WAR CRIMINALS -- kinda like the "Witness Protection Program" we have here in the states.

    That's enuf info to get you thinking....

    Peace Out!
    pggii

    Great Stuff. much better than Power Elite, Deep State, Military Faction, and some others probably, like Anglo-Zioinst, Fascists and Communists (Ukraine) and soon we will have lots of more good stuff, like the Russian Invaders/hackers, Trump is a Spy for Russia, a Manchurian candidate…that one I love particularly.

    In relative yawner space, a local lib rag’s headline today, Trump’s Best Moment. something like that. make it akin to his TV shows, etc. The liberals are totally loony.

    Counter demonstrated a “vigil” in Palo Alto today with my Uncle Sam outfit…sign…I want you to jail the gangster bitch. Stares, I told one of the ladies , just think…you all are white. If you were black or brown, I’d be dead now.

    Gaping mouth. JW

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  • […] Political Science’s “Theory of Everything” on the 2016 US Election | 19 Jan 2017 | [Had enough of the hysterical hue and cry, the hand-wringing, the gnashing of teeth, and the hyperbolic screeching you’re seeing in the media, from the frenzied and menacing protesters, from the idiocratic media, and from the ideologically-committed, intellectually bankrupt and empty-headed pundits? Then read this.] The invisible rulers of the US establishment were revealed by Professor C. Wright Mill in his article titled, The Structure of Power in American Society (The British Journal of Sociology, March 1958), in which he explains how, “the high military, the corporation executives, the political directorate have tended to come together to form the power elite of America”…He describes how the power elite can be best described as a “triangle of power,” linking the corporate, executive government, and military factions: “There is a political economy numerously linked with military order and decision. This triangle of power is now a structural fact, and it is the key to any understanding of the higher circles in America today.” The 2016 US election, like all other US elections, featured a gallery of pre-selected candidates that represented the three factions and their interests within the power elite. The 2016 US election, however, was vastly different from previous elections. As… […]

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  • @David Chibo
    Great point. In my podcast I mention how Wolfowitz, who I believe is a conspiring member of the power elite, wanted at the time of the 91 Gulf War to take out some of the same 7 countries. There's also Dick Cheney who is also clearly a member of the cabal guiding the plans of the power elite.

    The power elite deliberately setup the think tank called PNAC and have them slowly prepare plans for invading Iraq.

    Other members of PNAC include the neoliberal true believers like Francis Fukuyama who later recounted his involvement in the Iraq invasion and occupation:

    Three years on, he is a chastened man. With the benefit of hindsight, he now sees that he and other "neoconservative" proponents of regime-change in Iraq were naive. If that country today is an ungovernable mess - economically prostrate, chronically violent and slithering into a civil war of unforeseeable duration - then neocon naivety is in large measure to blame.

     

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3623932/Yes-the-US-got-it-wrong-but-it-doesnt-need-to-apologise.html

    Three years on, he is a chastened man. With the benefit of hindsight, he now sees that he and other “neoconservative” proponents of regime-change in Iraq were naive.

    This is pure BS. They accomplished exactly what they wanted. The destruction of secular Arab country and turning it into chaos and breeding grounds for the worst terrorists. This was the plan! The talk about Democracy is pure BS for the feeble minded public.

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  • @WSJ-skeptic
    What Chibo omits, most importantly, is Trump's motivation and, therefore, Trump's ultimate goals in terms of the US's global role going forward. Certainly re-establishing the US working middle class through manufacturing jobs and the resultingly, presumably purchased exported products, which Trump believes will in part restore the US economy, is Trump's articulated base, or consumer-voter goal, other than good relations with Russia and tough on China and Iran it is all rhetoric. It is one thing if Chibo omitted that Trump is now the tool of the military third leg if the three-pronged stool; but the military needs the other two legs of the stool to stand. Hence, protectionism is a self-defeating strategy of military protectionists. The military brass that assisted Trump's victory while perhaps legitmately altrustic will not pu themselves and their brethern out of business.

    The most important omission from Chibo is what Trump wants (not the established military7) to do with the vaccum he presumably will create. Is it as Chibo suggests and turn the middle and far east into Russia's streetcorner?

    Ultimately it may be simpler: Trump believed in efficient US capatalism and its ability to produce competitive oil, the futikty of US involvment in Arab-Russo va. Euro petro squabbles vis-a-vis pipeline sources and routes through Syria, and picked the winner he believes in: USA.

    Trump picks Tillerson as SOS to close the deal.

    Trump’s personal motivation is secondary to the faction that has backed him. He id dependent on the protection that will be offered by the military faction. If JFK had had the support of the military faction when he took on the CIA he may not have been assasinated.

    Trump has been chosen by the military faction to maintain US global financial and military hegemony by changing the US from a neoliberal unilateral hegemon to a economic nationalistic bilateral hegemon.

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  • You’re an idiot if you aren’t yet aware of the “New World Order” and The Powers That Be have been running America for over 100 years!

    “TPTB” or, “New World Order” or the newly used: “Deep State” moniker has also been HIDING technology for over 60 years, like:

    1. Free Energy (stolen from Tesla after his murder)
    2. Directed Energy Weapons (DEW — also from Tesla)
    3. SPACE SHIPS and FLYING SAUCERS!!!! Thanks to reverse-engineering of various craft that have either crashed or been shot down in America — YES FOLKS….ALIENS HAVE BEEN HERE AND WORKING WITH US FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW! Part of the reason JFK was assassinated, was, he was going to ‘reign in’ the CIA and reveal their projects with aliens and the fact that aliens even existed! GOOGLE IT!
    4. Quantum Physics-based Time-Travel Jump Rooms: capable of jumping to the Moon or Mars, where we have bases and colonies ALREADY!!!

    Last Point: Both Trump AND Clinton tried to steal the election using various methods like, redistricting, fucking w/ the election machines (Clinton) — especially the one’s made by Diebold — were hacked and software was modified to change the outcome of individual votes.

    Trump is just a better “thief” ….

    In closing, Trump is here to eviscerate the New World Order before they enslave each and every one of us. They already have us living “IN THE MATRIX” that they’ve been creating.

    Oh yeah, btw… the Nazis WON the war, and WE LOST! Hitler had a plan B to set up shop in Antarctica and created “Base 211″ there with the help of E.T.’s, who also helped the Nazis build flying saucers, etc. — Google “Operation HighJump” and Admiral Byrd for extensive background. The Nazis started moving classified projects to Antarctica BEFORE declaring WWII !!! They executed Plan B before Plan A!! Very smart…

    The Powers That Be, at that time, wanted that tech, etc., so they created a project called: Operation Paperclip — bringing Nazi Scientists (Werner von Braun was one of ‘em — he started NASA!) and other personnel to America set them up as NON-WAR CRIMINALS — kinda like the “Witness Protection Program” we have here in the states.

    That’s enuf info to get you thinking….

    Peace Out!
    pggii

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    • Replies: @joe webb
    Great Stuff. much better than Power Elite, Deep State, Military Faction, and some others probably, like Anglo-Zioinst, Fascists and Communists (Ukraine) and soon we will have lots of more good stuff, like the Russian Invaders/hackers, Trump is a Spy for Russia, a Manchurian candidate...that one I love particularly.

    In relative yawner space, a local lib rag's headline today, Trump's Best Moment. something like that. make it akin to his TV shows, etc. The liberals are totally loony.

    Counter demonstrated a "vigil" in Palo Alto today with my Uncle Sam outfit...sign...I want you to jail the gangster bitch. Stares, I told one of the ladies , just think...you all are white. If you were black or brown, I'd be dead now.

    Gaping mouth. JW
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  • @RobinG
    Hi Joe,

    You said, "All these ME wars, and 9-11-01 are because of Israel." It's not quite clear how you mean that. Israel is definitely an important factor, and the wars might never have happened without it. But it's not the only cause, and Israel alone couldn't force the wars without converging interests 0f the MIC (war for the sake of profit), Wall Street (preserving the Petro-Dollar), etc. The desire for dominance is both financial and ideological.

    Thank you, Joe, for keeping Israel on the radar. The currently vogue pipe-line theory for the war on Syria, pushed by RFK Jr. and others, seems a sadly over-simplified distraction. RFK Jr., and also Va. Sen. Richard Black who has done much valuable research on Syria, strive to shift the blame onto Saudi Arabia and the Gulfies, and refuse to mention Israel. They also ignore the raw Anglo-ZUSA drive for power and control. The Saudi pipe-line proposal didn't come until 2000, feeding neatly into an existing scheme.

    We've all heard Gen. Wesley Clark's story about 7 countries in 5 years, but I just saw this clip in which he takes it back to 1991 and Paul Wolfowitz. This is old cold war stuff. Right after the first Gulf War, Wolfowitz opined that we (the US) should overturn all the old Soviet allies in the Mid-East. It's worth watching. (only 7 minutes)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUCwCgthp_E
    General Wesley Clark: The US will attack 7 countries in 5 years

    Great point. In my podcast I mention how Wolfowitz, who I believe is a conspiring member of the power elite, wanted at the time of the 91 Gulf War to take out some of the same 7 countries. There’s also Dick Cheney who is also clearly a member of the cabal guiding the plans of the power elite.

    The power elite deliberately setup the think tank called PNAC and have them slowly prepare plans for invading Iraq.

    Other members of PNAC include the neoliberal true believers like Francis Fukuyama who later recounted his involvement in the Iraq invasion and occupation:

    Three years on, he is a chastened man. With the benefit of hindsight, he now sees that he and other “neoconservative” proponents of regime-change in Iraq were naive. If that country today is an ungovernable mess – economically prostrate, chronically violent and slithering into a civil war of unforeseeable duration – then neocon naivety is in large measure to blame.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3623932/Yes-the-US-got-it-wrong-but-it-doesnt-need-to-apologise.html

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    Three years on, he is a chastened man. With the benefit of hindsight, he now sees that he and other “neoconservative” proponents of regime-change in Iraq were naive.
     
    This is pure BS. They accomplished exactly what they wanted. The destruction of secular Arab country and turning it into chaos and breeding grounds for the worst terrorists. This was the plan! The talk about Democracy is pure BS for the feeble minded public.
    , @joe webb
    more obfuscation from the left...the neocons as Power Elite. Why try that one on us? Common usage now for over a decade is Neocons, as in Jew.

    Power Elite...sounds like you been reading some old C Wright Mills from the 60s. what kind of a name is Chilbo anyway. Are you white or something else? Who do your represent?

    JW
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  • There is NO such science as “political science” it is a figment of imagination of US East Coast self-proclaimed “intellectuals” who have no experience of real history (and life) and everything it entails. A complete BS, which can not get even simplest causalities straight.

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  • @joe webb
    by the way, Seymour Hirsch has been reliable for decades. Also Robert Fisk, whom I credited a couple weeks back as generally good, although a zionist.

    What do these guys, both jews of course, have to say about the shenanigans of the essentially neocon policies of Obongo, etc.

    All these ME wars, and 9-11-01 are because of Israel. Just to clarify what we are fighting about...the nuts and bolts, that is. Fisk and Hirsch have an honest track record in their reporting on the ME. What do they say about this?

    JW

    Hi Joe,

    You said, “All these ME wars, and 9-11-01 are because of Israel.” It’s not quite clear how you mean that. Israel is definitely an important factor, and the wars might never have happened without it. But it’s not the only cause, and Israel alone couldn’t force the wars without converging interests 0f the MIC (war for the sake of profit), Wall Street (preserving the Petro-Dollar), etc. The desire for dominance is both financial and ideological.

    Thank you, Joe, for keeping Israel on the radar. The currently vogue pipe-line theory for the war on Syria, pushed by RFK Jr. and others, seems a sadly over-simplified distraction. RFK Jr., and also Va. Sen. Richard Black who has done much valuable research on Syria, strive to shift the blame onto Saudi Arabia and the Gulfies, and refuse to mention Israel. They also ignore the raw Anglo-ZUSA drive for power and control. The Saudi pipe-line proposal didn’t come until 2000, feeding neatly into an existing scheme.

    We’ve all heard Gen. Wesley Clark’s story about 7 countries in 5 years, but I just saw this clip in which he takes it back to 1991 and Paul Wolfowitz. This is old cold war stuff. Right after the first Gulf War, Wolfowitz opined that we (the US) should overturn all the old Soviet allies in the Mid-East. It’s worth watching. (only 7 minutes)

    General Wesley Clark: The US will attack 7 countries in 5 years

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    • Replies: @David Chibo
    Great point. In my podcast I mention how Wolfowitz, who I believe is a conspiring member of the power elite, wanted at the time of the 91 Gulf War to take out some of the same 7 countries. There's also Dick Cheney who is also clearly a member of the cabal guiding the plans of the power elite.

    The power elite deliberately setup the think tank called PNAC and have them slowly prepare plans for invading Iraq.

    Other members of PNAC include the neoliberal true believers like Francis Fukuyama who later recounted his involvement in the Iraq invasion and occupation:

    Three years on, he is a chastened man. With the benefit of hindsight, he now sees that he and other "neoconservative" proponents of regime-change in Iraq were naive. If that country today is an ungovernable mess - economically prostrate, chronically violent and slithering into a civil war of unforeseeable duration - then neocon naivety is in large measure to blame.

     

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3623932/Yes-the-US-got-it-wrong-but-it-doesnt-need-to-apologise.html
    , @joe webb
    "...and Israel alone couldn’t force the wars without converging interests 0f the MIC (war for the sake of profit), Wall Street (preserving the Petro-Dollar), etc. The desire for dominance is both financial and ideological." What is MIC.

    Disagree, but I am willing to listen to you amplify this argument. The standard history on the neocons is The Transparent Cabal, by Sniegowski (sp?). It is ALL Israel. There is nothing we need from the ME. Certainly not worth the trillions of military costs. Oil is cheap and plentiful world-wide as I noted earlier. There is nothing else there to make any money on. Period.

    Dominance....why not dominate various other parts of the globe...like Venezuela, which at least is sitting on some of our oil.

    Your imagination is out of control. Petro-Dollar, another brain teaser...please explain what that is. Hint...a dollars is worth what it will buy, and nothing more. Oil has little to do with it. Same thing with the world currency deal. Nobody is going to change to another currency cuz the US dollar is the safest. Period.

    If another currency appeared, like the chink funny money, and it actually worked for more than a month or two, it is true that the US dollar internationally would be cheapened. That would be good for our exports. Who cares. Not borrowing more US debt would force us to stop our spendthrift ways...that too would be good for us.



    Joe Webb
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  • more oil war thesis bunk…”Trump administration now represents a rear-guard attempting to hold onto key nations in the heart of the world’s global energy reserves and maintain the US’s petrodollar monetary hegemony backing, while Trump transitions his economy from a financial to an industrial economy.”

    pure left wing cant. about 2005 the Financial Times ran a series on global oil. It finished the series with this: ” the world is not running out of oil, it is running into it.” It also said that the world has at least 100 years of oil at present rates of consumption, etc.

    As I recall, the US is now getting ready to export oil and gas ourselves. Or maybe wet should invade Venezuela to Feed the Poor and…

    The Oil War thesis is pure cover-up for neocon ideology of ME wars as well as Bringing Democracy to the Arabs. The jews are not stupid…they know how dumb Arabs are and their concomitant inability to abide by elections, etc.

    Of course, lots of our Fellow Citizens , mostly dark of course, and I have yet to hear anyone on Fox news talk abut the race of the 60 or so Congress refuseniks to attend the inauguration.

    The various taking heads also refuse to talk about Race as the single biggest conflict/contradiction of LIBERAL AMERICA. They take the Trump dodge about it by talking about failing schools, and violence, etc. Fox News.

    Hopefully, that now elected, Trump will crack down on the ghetto. Broken Windows will be supplanted with broken heads. Looters to be shot, etc.
    The Great Euphemism…the Inner City, etc. Joe Webb

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Trump administration now represents a rear-guard attempting to hold onto key nations in the heart of the world’s global energy reserves and maintain the US’s petrodollar monetary hegemony backing, while Trump transitions his economy from a financial to an industrial economy.

    The reign of the ‘petrodollar’ can’t last forever, currently kept relevant by the need to use the dollar to purchase oil and also backed by the threat of military force to topple those who try to change that. It’s an act of farsightedness for Trump and his entourage to realize that American currency will have to transition sooner or later to being backed by actual, tangible productivity rather than just coupon-clipping and financial games. The oil-military backing has a future expiration date. Hence the need to re-industrialize.

    The military faction wants Russia to help block China’s rise in the South China Sea and to contain Iran

    Good luck with that one. It’s a peculiar conceit that the Russians can be induced to carry out our plans. They’ll do what’s best for them. It’s been the Chinese goal to modernize and to become one of the leading countries. They’re there now and improving. Iran, due to it’s size, geography and human resources is the natural future hegemon of the region. It can be hemmed in temporarily but not forever. Both China and Iran are destined to rise and can’t be suppressed. It’s going to be a multi-polar world and the US will have to adjust to that.

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  • @Michael Meo
    This piece has a lot of attractive features, and some negative. The author made a considerable effort to pull together the overriding idea of a Deep State, with the specific events that we have seen during the last US election and in the Middle East.

    So, to propose that the military wing of the Deep State has fallen out with the Intelligence Services and the Political-Financial faction would be unpersuasive without the interesting interpretation of three or four recent articles by Seymour Hersh, purporting to tell us what caused the waffling over Syria and Libya during the last four years. Similarly, the thesis put forward of the effort by Trump to attack the powerful corporate bosses who choose outsourcing over national enhancement would be weak, without the observation that Putin did something quite similar in the successor state to the Soviet Union.

    However, the major event of the US military sabotaging the agreement between Secretary of State Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov, late last summer, to co-operate in bombing "terrorists" in Syria, conflicts with the picture presented.

    There, it was the political elite, the Obama Administration, that was setting up co-operation with the Russians, and it was the military which unilaterally acted to destroy any possibility of such co-operation, by attacking and bombing a Syrian Army camp after supposedly the agreement to co-operate had been reached. It was the military which made co-operation with the Russians, agreed to by the politicians, impossible. And it was quite a significant blow to Obama's foreign policy, a blow which, tellingly, he did nothing in response, either to re-establish his leadership or to punish the military officers responsible for the sabotage.

    So, with that major datum point not being addressed, since it lies exactly within the area which the author claims to be explaining, the piece lacks the power to convince.

    I believe the author does adequately address that point :

    “…The military’s indirect pathway to Assad disappeared with Dempsey’s retirement in September 2015. The political faction then replaced Dempsey, as chairman of the Joint Chiefs, with General Joseph Dunford who advocated a “hard line” on Russia. ”

    The suggestion is that the new military leadership under Trump will behave more like Dempsey than like Dunford.

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  • April 27, 2001 – the White House released President Barack Obama’s long form birth certificate

    May 2, 2011 – Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is killed by U.S. Special Forces

    I always wondered if there was a connection. Were they timed?

    In between the two events was the correspondents dinner where Obama roasted Trump on BC issue…

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/05/01/obama-seth-meyers-joke-about-trump-at-white-house-correspondents-dinner.html

    SEAL Team 6 was already on the way during that dinner.

    Recently we heard about them in new context

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4107534/Barbaric-beheadings-savage-mutilations-twisted-sense-celebrity-legendary-SEAL-Team-6-committed-war-crimes-Iraq-Afghanistan-fought-book-rights-bin-Laden-mission-killed-him.html

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  • @Anonymous
    Calling Kissinger a war criminal is all the rage.

    But whenever I consider any book he's written and I have read, or any of his statements and policies, well... it's hard to deny he was a political genius.

    In the late years he has tried to add some good judgment to the debate on Russia, and the mainstream media like the NYT and WSJ reacted stopping giving his opinions space.

    They don't make people like Kissinger any more -- or maybe people like Kissinger don't get to have the power they had before any more, and the USA would be in a better shape if they still did.

    Murder is murder, no matter whether committed by an individual or a group. Why is government exempt from this?

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  • @Anonymous IX
    From Chibo's first article, "Political Science's 'Theory of Everything'":

    A 2011 study from Princeton and Northwestern Universities entitled Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens affirmed Mill’s view – that the US Government does not represent the interests of the majority of the masses, but instead represents the interests of the rich and powerful.
     
    What I find utterly striking about this election involves the evident realization of the common man that he/she has inherited and competes within a world in which those who play the Washington elite game reap unbounded rewards while those who either do not have access or do not play reap very little.

    At one time, a bone was thrown to the middle class which assuaged them: the strong middle class had a savings account; could take vacations; could send his/her kids to college; could enjoy first-class healthcare; had comfortable discretionary income; etc. Today, as stakes rise for those who find the need to maintain incessant war to provide the style of living to which they have become accustomed, those amenities can no longer be provided, and the man on the street is waking up.

    Probably the unprecedented suicide rate among white middle class since 2006? Or the overwhelmingly high rate of opiate addiction among lower and middle white classes?

    From the Washington Post's article "U.S. suicide rate has risen sharply in the 21st century" (2016):

    Suicide remains one of the 10 leading causes of death for Americans. Its rise comes amid a long-term decline of death rates for most other major killers, such as cancer and heart disease, the result of billions of dollars spent on research and the development of new treatments.

    The U.S. homicide rate is also down: There are more than two suicides for every homicide. Among whites, there are more than seven suicides for every slaying.

    Along with opioid abuse and alcoholism, suicide has attracted recent attention as one of the main causes of a surprising increase in mortality for white men and women since the turn of the last century, especially for those ages 45 to 54.
     
    When people around you start to die, then you begin to pay attention.

    BTW, I find the posters who offer nothing except scathingly negative comments a puzzle. Are we possibly, from YourNewsWire.com: "CIA Agents To Troll Alternative Media Sites In Huge Propaganda Program."

    I have found your comment to be exceptionally well reasoned. I just discovered this site, and I am in love.

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  • @WSJ-skeptic
    What Chibo omits, most importantly, is Trump's motivation and, therefore, Trump's ultimate goals in terms of the US's global role going forward. Certainly re-establishing the US working middle class through manufacturing jobs and the resultingly, presumably purchased exported products, which Trump believes will in part restore the US economy, is Trump's articulated base, or consumer-voter goal, other than good relations with Russia and tough on China and Iran it is all rhetoric. It is one thing if Chibo omitted that Trump is now the tool of the military third leg if the three-pronged stool; but the military needs the other two legs of the stool to stand. Hence, protectionism is a self-defeating strategy of military protectionists. The military brass that assisted Trump's victory while perhaps legitmately altrustic will not pu themselves and their brethern out of business.

    The most important omission from Chibo is what Trump wants (not the established military7) to do with the vaccum he presumably will create. Is it as Chibo suggests and turn the middle and far east into Russia's streetcorner?

    Ultimately it may be simpler: Trump believed in efficient US capatalism and its ability to produce competitive oil, the futikty of US involvment in Arab-Russo va. Euro petro squabbles vis-a-vis pipeline sources and routes through Syria, and picked the winner he believes in: USA.

    Trump picks Tillerson as SOS to close the deal.

    I still hold out that someone will give him a copy of economics in one lesson and it will convince him that his protectionist instincts are wrong

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  • @Diogenes
    Contrary to all the carping I think this article is a very good attempt at making some sense of the current American political situation. I also listened to the podcast and it confirms much of what I know from other sources.
    There is a power struggle within the American establishment between the Military and Wall street concerning the proper role of Big Business or the Corporatocracy.
    Neoliberal Financialization and globalism is recognized as a failure which has hollowed out the domestic US manufacturing industry and lead to social instability threatening the long term viability American capitalist project.
    America needs to re industrialize, cut profligate wasteful spending on military adventurism and reduce it national debt in order, now get this, to rebuild itself on a sounder footing. The CIA and NSA are out of control and need to be down sized and subordinated to the Military.

    The article's TABLE is a good summary of the changes required but all is said and done the US will remain a capitalist democracy in which American Capital will still want to dominate and control most of the world. Under Trump China, Jihadist Terrorists and Iran will be in America's gun sights and Russia will be given some slack for the time being.

    The war between the various factions of the deep state will remain behind the scenes until it doesn’t. Let us all pray that it remains behind the scenes.

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  • @joewitless

    Where is the editor here anyway? Worth less than a jewyorktimes editorial.

    Joe Webb

     

    If there were an editor eliminating valueless comments yours would be the first to go. Why hang around and make endless and abusive comments, all of which are profoundly stupid? Don't like some particular writer then move on. You and a few other insulting pinhead commenters merely detract from this website.

    Such mindlessly racist BS is indicative of substandard education. Did you go to a government school? The NYTimes is a propaganda outlet, but blaming it on Jewish conspiracy is ridiculous.

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  • by the way, Seymour Hirsch has been reliable for decades. Also Robert Fisk, whom I credited a couple weeks back as generally good, although a zionist.

    What do these guys, both jews of course, have to say about the shenanigans of the essentially neocon policies of Obongo, etc.

    All these ME wars, and 9-11-01 are because of Israel. Just to clarify what we are fighting about…the nuts and bolts, that is. Fisk and Hirsch have an honest track record in their reporting on the ME. What do they say about this?

    JW

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    Hi Joe,

    You said, "All these ME wars, and 9-11-01 are because of Israel." It's not quite clear how you mean that. Israel is definitely an important factor, and the wars might never have happened without it. But it's not the only cause, and Israel alone couldn't force the wars without converging interests 0f the MIC (war for the sake of profit), Wall Street (preserving the Petro-Dollar), etc. The desire for dominance is both financial and ideological.

    Thank you, Joe, for keeping Israel on the radar. The currently vogue pipe-line theory for the war on Syria, pushed by RFK Jr. and others, seems a sadly over-simplified distraction. RFK Jr., and also Va. Sen. Richard Black who has done much valuable research on Syria, strive to shift the blame onto Saudi Arabia and the Gulfies, and refuse to mention Israel. They also ignore the raw Anglo-ZUSA drive for power and control. The Saudi pipe-line proposal didn't come until 2000, feeding neatly into an existing scheme.

    We've all heard Gen. Wesley Clark's story about 7 countries in 5 years, but I just saw this clip in which he takes it back to 1991 and Paul Wolfowitz. This is old cold war stuff. Right after the first Gulf War, Wolfowitz opined that we (the US) should overturn all the old Soviet allies in the Mid-East. It's worth watching. (only 7 minutes)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUCwCgthp_E
    General Wesley Clark: The US will attack 7 countries in 5 years
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  • Contrary to all the carping I think this article is a very good attempt at making some sense of the current American political situation. I also listened to the podcast and it confirms much of what I know from other sources.
    There is a power struggle within the American establishment between the Military and Wall street concerning the proper role of Big Business or the Corporatocracy.
    Neoliberal Financialization and globalism is recognized as a failure which has hollowed out the domestic US manufacturing industry and lead to social instability threatening the long term viability American capitalist project.
    America needs to re industrialize, cut profligate wasteful spending on military adventurism and reduce it national debt in order, now get this, to rebuild itself on a sounder footing. The CIA and NSA are out of control and need to be down sized and subordinated to the Military.

    The article’s TABLE is a good summary of the changes required but all is said and done the US will remain a capitalist democracy in which American Capital will still want to dominate and control most of the world. Under Trump China, Jihadist Terrorists and Iran will be in America’s gun sights and Russia will be given some slack for the time being.

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    • Replies: @Dale
    The war between the various factions of the deep state will remain behind the scenes until it doesn't. Let us all pray that it remains behind the scenes.
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  • What Chibo omits, most importantly, is Trump’s motivation and, therefore, Trump’s ultimate goals in terms of the US’s global role going forward. Certainly re-establishing the US working middle class through manufacturing jobs and the resultingly, presumably purchased exported products, which Trump believes will in part restore the US economy, is Trump’s articulated base, or consumer-voter goal, other than good relations with Russia and tough on China and Iran it is all rhetoric. It is one thing if Chibo omitted that Trump is now the tool of the military third leg if the three-pronged stool; but the military needs the other two legs of the stool to stand. Hence, protectionism is a self-defeating strategy of military protectionists. The military brass that assisted Trump’s victory while perhaps legitmately altrustic will not pu themselves and their brethern out of business.

    The most important omission from Chibo is what Trump wants (not the established military7) to do with the vaccum he presumably will create. Is it as Chibo suggests and turn the middle and far east into Russia’s streetcorner?

    Ultimately it may be simpler: Trump believed in efficient US capatalism and its ability to produce competitive oil, the futikty of US involvment in Arab-Russo va. Euro petro squabbles vis-a-vis pipeline sources and routes through Syria, and picked the winner he believes in: USA.

    Trump picks Tillerson as SOS to close the deal.

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    I still hold out that someone will give him a copy of economics in one lesson and it will convince him that his protectionist instincts are wrong
    , @David Chibo
    Trump's personal motivation is secondary to the faction that has backed him. He id dependent on the protection that will be offered by the military faction. If JFK had had the support of the military faction when he took on the CIA he may not have been assasinated.

    Trump has been chosen by the military faction to maintain US global financial and military hegemony by changing the US from a neoliberal unilateral hegemon to a economic nationalistic bilateral hegemon.
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  • @joewitless

    Where is the editor here anyway? Worth less than a jewyorktimes editorial.

    Joe Webb

     

    If there were an editor eliminating valueless comments yours would be the first to go. Why hang around and make endless and abusive comments, all of which are profoundly stupid? Don't like some particular writer then move on. You and a few other insulting pinhead commenters merely detract from this website.

    care to rationally offer an argument contra me beside foaming at the mouth?

    “Don’t like some particular writer then move on” My arguments have nothing to do with any particular writer, except when they regularly are, imho, just always lame, like Fred on Nothing, or to a lesser degree, Shamir, or the Turk, who refuses to debate my points and just bans me…great argument there Anatoly. Oriental Despot.

    Then there is the Saker with his hobby horse..anglo-zionist hegemony, etc. too bad cuz he is useful as he has lots of info on Russia, etc. Unfortunately he plays commies ‘n’ nazis, an emotional fixation probably cuz he loves racial equality, and nazis are racists! The Absolute Worst.

    If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen, or bitchin.

    Try stringing more than a few words together. Good for the neurons. JW

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  • From Chibo’s first article, “Political Science’s ‘Theory of Everything’”:

    A 2011 study from Princeton and Northwestern Universities entitled Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens affirmed Mill’s view – that the US Government does not represent the interests of the majority of the masses, but instead represents the interests of the rich and powerful.

    What I find utterly striking about this election involves the evident realization of the common man that he/she has inherited and competes within a world in which those who play the Washington elite game reap unbounded rewards while those who either do not have access or do not play reap very little.

    At one time, a bone was thrown to the middle class which assuaged them: the strong middle class had a savings account; could take vacations; could send his/her kids to college; could enjoy first-class healthcare; had comfortable discretionary income; etc. Today, as stakes rise for those who find the need to maintain incessant war to provide the style of living to which they have become accustomed, those amenities can no longer be provided, and the man on the street is waking up.

    Probably the unprecedented suicide rate among white middle class since 2006? Or the overwhelmingly high rate of opiate addiction among lower and middle white classes?

    From the Washington Post’s article “U.S. suicide rate has risen sharply in the 21st century” (2016):

    Suicide remains one of the 10 leading causes of death for Americans. Its rise comes amid a long-term decline of death rates for most other major killers, such as cancer and heart disease, the result of billions of dollars spent on research and the development of new treatments.

    The U.S. homicide rate is also down: There are more than two suicides for every homicide. Among whites, there are more than seven suicides for every slaying.

    Along with opioid abuse and alcoholism, suicide has attracted recent attention as one of the main causes of a surprising increase in mortality for white men and women since the turn of the last century, especially for those ages 45 to 54.

    When people around you start to die, then you begin to pay attention.

    BTW, I find the posters who offer nothing except scathingly negative comments a puzzle. Are we possibly, from YourNewsWire.com: “CIA Agents To Troll Alternative Media Sites In Huge Propaganda Program.”

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    I have found your comment to be exceptionally well reasoned. I just discovered this site, and I am in love.
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  • @Michael Meo
    This piece has a lot of attractive features, and some negative. The author made a considerable effort to pull together the overriding idea of a Deep State, with the specific events that we have seen during the last US election and in the Middle East.

    So, to propose that the military wing of the Deep State has fallen out with the Intelligence Services and the Political-Financial faction would be unpersuasive without the interesting interpretation of three or four recent articles by Seymour Hersh, purporting to tell us what caused the waffling over Syria and Libya during the last four years. Similarly, the thesis put forward of the effort by Trump to attack the powerful corporate bosses who choose outsourcing over national enhancement would be weak, without the observation that Putin did something quite similar in the successor state to the Soviet Union.

    However, the major event of the US military sabotaging the agreement between Secretary of State Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov, late last summer, to co-operate in bombing "terrorists" in Syria, conflicts with the picture presented.

    There, it was the political elite, the Obama Administration, that was setting up co-operation with the Russians, and it was the military which unilaterally acted to destroy any possibility of such co-operation, by attacking and bombing a Syrian Army camp after supposedly the agreement to co-operate had been reached. It was the military which made co-operation with the Russians, agreed to by the politicians, impossible. And it was quite a significant blow to Obama's foreign policy, a blow which, tellingly, he did nothing in response, either to re-establish his leadership or to punish the military officers responsible for the sabotage.

    So, with that major datum point not being addressed, since it lies exactly within the area which the author claims to be explaining, the piece lacks the power to convince.

    Madman .k thanks. Then the reliability of the author
    depends on his history and other reports that can back him up.

    Michael Meo…AS for Trump’s apparent effort to control the corporate bosses…we all have seen it. However, so far it might be just a flash in the pan.

    With regard to I assume you mean the US military…sabotaging the Obama attempt to work with the Russians….that is a very serious charge, and may be true. There again, and I admit that I do not follow this stuff closely, what other evidence is there that backs this up?

    It seems questionable that Obongo would not have done something about it, given his propensity to seemingly at least, restrain the war party.

    Joe Webb

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  • Once in awhile you read an article worth the read and this is certainly one of them.
    We do seem to have a real divide between the unelected power elite finally, and I can’t say we the people have much to say or are really going to benefit much either way. A politician needs money and votes to be elected in that order. Money is never forsaken without the politicians removal by those giving the money one way or the other. The voting public is always divided and has so many interest to be served a politician can most of the time explain away a less than stellar record and so it goes.
    Money/power is what makes our so called Republic tick. The Federal Reserve has it in spades and is what makes the warfare/welfare state possible. Without a fiat monetary system we would not have to worries to much about either. Because we would have to actually pay for them with our tax dollars and under those conditions our taxs would have to more than double and that is only counting the on budget items. Neither candidate or political party is going to change anything until we lose our world reserve currency status. Empire always go broke when they debase their money trying to support the warfare/welfare state. That’s what is at stake and why the triangle of the power elite is split with the military taking a direct interest in politics which is not good news. The CIA/International Corporations have had their way and gutted our economy with wars and globalism to their benefit. The military by its nature is more nationalist and knows without the world reserve currency in dollars their and our days are numbered as an empire. We the people are not much of a factor in this whole sordid affair. We lost our say in our Republic with the enactment of the Federal Reserve in 1913. Yes long before any of us were even born. Our political leaders and unelected leaders can create all the money needed without taxing us to much to run the warfare/welfare state and shine us on for the most part. Until we take back our monetary system and return to “Honest Money” ( non fiat money ) we will never recover our Constitutional Republic.

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  • @Michael Meo
    This piece has a lot of attractive features, and some negative. The author made a considerable effort to pull together the overriding idea of a Deep State, with the specific events that we have seen during the last US election and in the Middle East.

    So, to propose that the military wing of the Deep State has fallen out with the Intelligence Services and the Political-Financial faction would be unpersuasive without the interesting interpretation of three or four recent articles by Seymour Hersh, purporting to tell us what caused the waffling over Syria and Libya during the last four years. Similarly, the thesis put forward of the effort by Trump to attack the powerful corporate bosses who choose outsourcing over national enhancement would be weak, without the observation that Putin did something quite similar in the successor state to the Soviet Union.

    However, the major event of the US military sabotaging the agreement between Secretary of State Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov, late last summer, to co-operate in bombing "terrorists" in Syria, conflicts with the picture presented.

    There, it was the political elite, the Obama Administration, that was setting up co-operation with the Russians, and it was the military which unilaterally acted to destroy any possibility of such co-operation, by attacking and bombing a Syrian Army camp after supposedly the agreement to co-operate had been reached. It was the military which made co-operation with the Russians, agreed to by the politicians, impossible. And it was quite a significant blow to Obama's foreign policy, a blow which, tellingly, he did nothing in response, either to re-establish his leadership or to punish the military officers responsible for the sabotage.

    So, with that major datum point not being addressed, since it lies exactly within the area which the author claims to be explaining, the piece lacks the power to convince.

    Article states:
    “The military’s indirect pathway to Assad disappeared with Dempsey’s retirement in September 2015. The political faction then replaced Dempsey, as chairman of the Joint Chiefs, with General Joseph Dunford who advocated a “hard line” on Russia.”

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  • This piece has a lot of attractive features, and some negative. The author made a considerable effort to pull together the overriding idea of a Deep State, with the specific events that we have seen during the last US election and in the Middle East.

    So, to propose that the military wing of the Deep State has fallen out with the Intelligence Services and the Political-Financial faction would be unpersuasive without the interesting interpretation of three or four recent articles by Seymour Hersh, purporting to tell us what caused the waffling over Syria and Libya during the last four years. Similarly, the thesis put forward of the effort by Trump to attack the powerful corporate bosses who choose outsourcing over national enhancement would be weak, without the observation that Putin did something quite similar in the successor state to the Soviet Union.

    However, the major event of the US military sabotaging the agreement between Secretary of State Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov, late last summer, to co-operate in bombing “terrorists” in Syria, conflicts with the picture presented.

    There, it was the political elite, the Obama Administration, that was setting up co-operation with the Russians, and it was the military which unilaterally acted to destroy any possibility of such co-operation, by attacking and bombing a Syrian Army camp after supposedly the agreement to co-operate had been reached. It was the military which made co-operation with the Russians, agreed to by the politicians, impossible. And it was quite a significant blow to Obama’s foreign policy, a blow which, tellingly, he did nothing in response, either to re-establish his leadership or to punish the military officers responsible for the sabotage.

    So, with that major datum point not being addressed, since it lies exactly within the area which the author claims to be explaining, the piece lacks the power to convince.

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    • Replies: @Madmen
    Article states:
    "The military’s indirect pathway to Assad disappeared with Dempsey’s retirement in September 2015. The political faction then replaced Dempsey, as chairman of the Joint Chiefs, with General Joseph Dunford who advocated a “hard line” on Russia."
    , @joe webb
    Madman .k thanks. Then the reliability of the author
    depends on his history and other reports that can back him up.

    Michael Meo...AS for Trump's apparent effort to control the corporate bosses...we all have seen it. However, so far it might be just a flash in the pan.

    With regard to I assume you mean the US military...sabotaging the Obama attempt to work with the Russians....that is a very serious charge, and may be true. There again, and I admit that I do not follow this stuff closely, what other evidence is there that backs this up?

    It seems questionable that Obongo would not have done something about it, given his propensity to seemingly at least, restrain the war party.

    Joe Webb
    , @Marko
    I believe the author does adequately address that point :

    "...The military’s indirect pathway to Assad disappeared with Dempsey’s retirement in September 2015. The political faction then replaced Dempsey, as chairman of the Joint Chiefs, with General Joseph Dunford who advocated a “hard line” on Russia. "

    The suggestion is that the new military leadership under Trump will behave more like Dempsey than like Dunford.
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  • @joe webb
    ok, for example, "Under the new Obama administration, a Democratic-led, CIA-orchestrated “Arab Spring” took place from 2011-2016 and symbolised the covert invasion of Libya and Syria using reconstituted terrorist death squads."

    Say What?? The CIA and a Democratic-led cohort did the Arab Spring? What pure hokum.

    As people know, I am not a big fan of Arabs, but to deny them agency in their own political sphere is just weird...This one sentence above should be a whole article on the Arab Spring (...an event I predicted at the time would be still-born because of Arab anti-democratic genes) and then the author says it was a "symbol..."....Say What?

    Of course the US sends in money, like the Color Revolutions, etc. So what. So mebbe Russia did leak the truthful tapes on Billary, so what?

    Where is the editor here anyway? Worth less than a jewyorktimes editorial.

    Joe Webb

    The Omari Mosque was the scene of backstage preparations, costume changes and rehearsals. The Libyan terrorists, fresh from the battlefield of the US-NATO regime change attack on Libya, were in Deraa well ahead of the March 2011 uprising violence…….The participation of local Muslim Brotherhood followers, who would assist the foreign Libyan mercenaries/terrorists, was an essential part of the CIA plan, which was well scripted and directed from Jordan……The CIA agents running the Deraa operation from their office in Jordan had already provided the weapons and cash needed to fuel the flames of revolution in Syria. With enough money and weapons, you can start a revolution anywhere in the world.

    http://ahtribune.com/world/north-africa-south-west-asia/syria-crisis/1135-day-before-deraa.html

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Calling Kissinger a war criminal is all the rage.

    But whenever I consider any book he’s written and I have read, or any of his statements and policies, well… it’s hard to deny he was a political genius.

    In the late years he has tried to add some good judgment to the debate on Russia, and the mainstream media like the NYT and WSJ reacted stopping giving his opinions space.

    They don’t make people like Kissinger any more — or maybe people like Kissinger don’t get to have the power they had before any more, and the USA would be in a better shape if they still did.

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    Murder is murder, no matter whether committed by an individual or a group. Why is government exempt from this?
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  • @Kyle a
    That line with Trump having the backing of the military during the general election is so far removed from reality.... I thought Lew Rockwell was now an Unz poster.

    Flynn senior is the closest intelligence adviser to Trump. He was formerly the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. He doesn’t trust the CIA and the CIA doesn’t trust him.

    His son has a put out a tweet that links to a story by Thierry Meyssan titled: General Flynn’s Proposals to Reform Intelligence

    This is where we learn what the intelligence community attack on Trump is really all about. It is self-defense from a Flynn reform plan that will rip the current intelligence community apart.

    http://www.targetliberty.com/2017/01/the-son-in-middle-of-intelligence-war.html

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  • Excellent article.

    For people interested in the subject I suggest to read my book Psychological Warfare and the New Word Order: The Secret War Against the American People. It explores areas not touched by the authors mentioned in this article.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    From the last interview of Soros:

    “I have described him as an impostor and con man, and a would be dictator” and said that “I’m personally convinced he’s going to fail” because the “the policies that guide him are inherently self-contradictory.”

    Trump stands for a government that’s the opposite of an open society, something like a dictatorship or a mafia state

    He said that Trump would be a dictator if he could get away with it but believes that the Constitution of the United States is strong enough to prevent Trump from taking too much power.

    Trump believes his ideas are the will of the people so anyone who is against him is against the people

    What all readers, and Chibo himself if he reads these comments, are going to think is: Soros lies, and he knows that.

    I don’t believe it.
    Power makes the human brain unable to discriminate between their will and “just” “true” “good” and “what is best, even for the people“.

    These people love an “open society”, exactly like lions, tigers, and others in a zoo would like the zoo to have an open society policy, and open all cages to keep all animals together.

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  • @joe webb
    ok, for example, "Under the new Obama administration, a Democratic-led, CIA-orchestrated “Arab Spring” took place from 2011-2016 and symbolised the covert invasion of Libya and Syria using reconstituted terrorist death squads."

    Say What?? The CIA and a Democratic-led cohort did the Arab Spring? What pure hokum.

    As people know, I am not a big fan of Arabs, but to deny them agency in their own political sphere is just weird...This one sentence above should be a whole article on the Arab Spring (...an event I predicted at the time would be still-born because of Arab anti-democratic genes) and then the author says it was a "symbol..."....Say What?

    Of course the US sends in money, like the Color Revolutions, etc. So what. So mebbe Russia did leak the truthful tapes on Billary, so what?

    Where is the editor here anyway? Worth less than a jewyorktimes editorial.

    Joe Webb

    Where is the editor here anyway? Worth less than a jewyorktimes editorial.

    Joe Webb

    If there were an editor eliminating valueless comments yours would be the first to go. Why hang around and make endless and abusive comments, all of which are profoundly stupid? Don’t like some particular writer then move on. You and a few other insulting pinhead commenters merely detract from this website.

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    • Replies: @joe webb
    care to rationally offer an argument contra me beside foaming at the mouth?

    "Don’t like some particular writer then move on" My arguments have nothing to do with any particular writer, except when they regularly are, imho, just always lame, like Fred on Nothing, or to a lesser degree, Shamir, or the Turk, who refuses to debate my points and just bans me...great argument there Anatoly. Oriental Despot.

    Then there is the Saker with his hobby horse..anglo-zionist hegemony, etc. too bad cuz he is useful as he has lots of info on Russia, etc. Unfortunately he plays commies 'n' nazis, an emotional fixation probably cuz he loves racial equality, and nazis are racists! The Absolute Worst.

    If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen, or bitchin.

    Try stringing more than a few words together. Good for the neurons. JW
    , @Dale
    Such mindlessly racist BS is indicative of substandard education. Did you go to a government school? The NYTimes is a propaganda outlet, but blaming it on Jewish conspiracy is ridiculous.
    , @Manchurian Take Out
    You sir are the echo in echo chamber. Don't like critics? This article begs for insult. One unsubstantiated claim after another building a theory that reduces the World to a simple formula. If only history were so tidy, logical, and "scientific." Politics like economics and all social "sciences" is too complex to reduce to such childish oversimplification. This article's kindred analogy would be the computer models that "prove" global warming. Lots of debatable "facts" that in turn are used to build a theory of globally connected "deep" state competing cabals that are using nations as puppets. Very appealing order of things to those with a certain inclination of mind (It's the matrix!). All because a doofus some years back said there is a NWO and that must mean.... May the farce be with you.
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  • Sorry, don’t buy the following: “the media turned full force against Trump, but it was too late.” Any media attention was good attention. The more outrage, the more popularity. The media will say and do anything, the important thing is you are paying attention – necessary for manipulation. They elected Trump, they let Hillary die on the vine as it were. But nothing has changed, no matter how much the media has been screaming that “change is upon us”.

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  • The corporate-deep-state theory In a recent UNZ article titled: Political science’s “theory of everything” a concise map of the US establishment, both the visible and invisible government was mapped. Based on this map a theory emerged that showed how the visible government has been subverted by an invisible unelected government that was described as a...
  • The death of neoliberalism

    It seems to me that ‘neoliberalism’ is a stage of capitalism, produced by the new environment (that we call ‘globalization’) characterized by modern state of communications (such as the world-wide computer networks), and the modern means of transcontinental freight.

    Assuming that capitalist system of production remains, I don’t think neoliberalism is going anywhere. Yes, it faces global backlash today, but it’ll find a way around. It’ll take a slightly different form, that’s all.

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  • ok, for example, “Under the new Obama administration, a Democratic-led, CIA-orchestrated “Arab Spring” took place from 2011-2016 and symbolised the covert invasion of Libya and Syria using reconstituted terrorist death squads.”

    Say What?? The CIA and a Democratic-led cohort did the Arab Spring? What pure hokum.

    As people know, I am not a big fan of Arabs, but to deny them agency in their own political sphere is just weird…This one sentence above should be a whole article on the Arab Spring (…an event I predicted at the time would be still-born because of Arab anti-democratic genes) and then the author says it was a “symbol…”….Say What?

    Of course the US sends in money, like the Color Revolutions, etc. So what. So mebbe Russia did leak the truthful tapes on Billary, so what?

    Where is the editor here anyway? Worth less than a jewyorktimes editorial.

    Joe Webb

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    Where is the editor here anyway? Worth less than a jewyorktimes editorial.

    Joe Webb

     

    If there were an editor eliminating valueless comments yours would be the first to go. Why hang around and make endless and abusive comments, all of which are profoundly stupid? Don't like some particular writer then move on. You and a few other insulting pinhead commenters merely detract from this website.
    , @Madmen
    The Omari Mosque was the scene of backstage preparations, costume changes and rehearsals. The Libyan terrorists, fresh from the battlefield of the US-NATO regime change attack on Libya, were in Deraa well ahead of the March 2011 uprising violence.......The participation of local Muslim Brotherhood followers, who would assist the foreign Libyan mercenaries/terrorists, was an essential part of the CIA plan, which was well scripted and directed from Jordan......The CIA agents running the Deraa operation from their office in Jordan had already provided the weapons and cash needed to fuel the flames of revolution in Syria. With enough money and weapons, you can start a revolution anywhere in the world.

    http://ahtribune.com/world/north-africa-south-west-asia/syria-crisis/1135-day-before-deraa.html
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  • agree with above comments. Who is this guy anyway? It would be appropriate to provide a brief bio on presenters, at least new ones.

    Personally, all this deep state stuff leaves me cold, especially because names, dates, etc. are slim
    It is another example of Leftie discourse….ain’t it awful that bad guys are up to this and that.

    Joe Webb

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  • @Jason Liu
    C'mon, you're not gonna mention race? Most of these changes are motivated deep down by people who want homogeneity and people who hate those that want homogeneity. Economics and the like will always be a second consideration.

    Most of these changes are motivated deep down by people who want homogeneity and people who hate those that want homogeneity.

    It’s not just about homogeneity, it is about genocide.

    To quote Raphael Lemkin, who coined the word:

    …[it] does not necessarily signify mass killings although it may mean that.

    More often it refers to a coordinated plan aimed at destruction of the essential foundations of the life of national groups so that these groups wither and die like plants that have suffered a blight.

    That is exactly the fast approaching fate of the Western nations. Under current population and cultural policies, the fertility of the European nations has fallen far below the replacement rate while mass replacement immigration by people of an alien race and culture is promoted, even in contravention of law.

    Obama, Merkel and other leaders of the EU have been engaged in a genocidal population policy. To reverse the trend, it is essential to provide both an economic basis and a cultural environment favorable to a revival in fertility. That is what Trump’s announced policies amount to: repatriation of manufacturing jobs upon which the prosperity of the masses depend directly or indirectly, and an end to political correctness, i.e., K to 12 and beyond brainwashing in the guise of education.

    For those of us who’ve not read Hersh, a very useful article.

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  • @Jason Liu
    C'mon, you're not gonna mention race? Most of these changes are motivated deep down by people who want homogeneity and people who hate those that want homogeneity. Economics and the like will always be a second consideration.

    > C’mon, you’re not gonna mention race?

    You can dig into that “org chart” of USG and assign (predominant) ethnic groups to each of the boxes. For that very reason, it basically doesn’t matter. Remember that time during the election when every shot at global capital was interpreted as antisemitism?

    On the other hand, too many on the right do not get the deep interconnect between capital and the maladies of “progress.” Very valuable essay for that reason alone.

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  • ‘Theory of Everything’?

    Are you kidding?

    This article totally ignores race, language, ethnic identity, national origins, phenotype, genotype, and religion.

    As a ‘Theory of Everything’, it is profoundly inadequate.

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  • @Jason Liu
    C'mon, you're not gonna mention race? Most of these changes are motivated deep down by people who want homogeneity and people who hate those that want homogeneity. Economics and the like will always be a second consideration.

    Word to the wise is enough

    Sometimes, even no word to the wise is enough.

    I don’t think Chibo intended his work for, say, primary school.

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  • Dear Mr. Chibo.

    Thank you for a very interesting distillation of the power clubs within the United States.

    Having said that…..Who cares ?

    The bottom line is performance, and by any metric the varied power entities within the United States state have totally failed the country.

    They have “failed” the nation. And that’s all there is to it.

    Consider that in the year 2000 the USA had a very healthy debt to GDP ratio and our government was not running a deficit..

    Our National debt was 5.7 trillion, our GDP was 9.3 trillion…and the federal government was operating at a 250 billion dollar surplus.

    At this junction in our nation’s history , whatever deep state power entities “existed” were doing a good job running the country….they were performing well on just about all cylinders.

    We had the most powerful economy in the world, the most powerful military in the world,
    and our balance sheet was good.

    The solvency of the United states was NOT in jeopardy, and the US dollar used as the worlds currency was justified by nearly every metric.

    We can all applaud and say “Bravo” to the ” deep state USA” of 2000 for running a smooth ship of state..

    Flash forward to 2017.

    Our national debt has exploded to 20 trillion dollars but our GDP has hardly doubled to 18.7 trillion..

    And our government has been running an (averaged) annualized “deficit” of 875 billion dollars over the entire 16 year period.

    Our post 9-11 “War State Deep State” has nearly “eviscerated” the solvency of the entire nation in about 15 years.

    And for what ?

    Does anyone really care how one divvies up (or explicates) the deep state power structures at work today, beyond the fact they have made one big catastrophic mess of just about everything ?.

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  • Interesting analysis.
    Charles Hugh-Smith on zero hedge came up with a very similar conclusion about the schism within the deep state:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-18/does-rogue-deep-state-have-trumps-back

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  • That line with Trump having the backing of the military during the general election is so far removed from reality…. I thought Lew Rockwell was now an Unz poster.

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    Flynn senior is the closest intelligence adviser to Trump. He was formerly the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. He doesn't trust the CIA and the CIA doesn't trust him.

    His son has a put out a tweet that links to a story by Thierry Meyssan titled: General Flynn’s Proposals to Reform Intelligence

    This is where we learn what the intelligence community attack on Trump is really all about. It is self-defense from a Flynn reform plan that will rip the current intelligence community apart.

    http://www.targetliberty.com/2017/01/the-son-in-middle-of-intelligence-war.html
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  • Interesting insights, but basically a ridiculous analysis of the election. Trump won because his promises to restore economic prosperity by controlling immigration (internal outsourcing) and removal of US industry to other countries (external outsourcing) resonated with the middle class and working class electorate, particularly in key states within the Electoral College System. If the establishment and their MSM lapdogs had actually allowed an honest election, Trump would probably have won by a historic landslide. The military had absolutely nothing to do with determining the elections outcome and resurrecting C. Wright Mill’s grotesquely oversimplified view of American society doesn’t provide any convincing evidence otherwise. If Chibo can get away with calling himself a political scientist then that discipline belongs in the Academy of Laputa.

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  • C’mon, you’re not gonna mention race? Most of these changes are motivated deep down by people who want homogeneity and people who hate those that want homogeneity. Economics and the like will always be a second consideration.

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    Word to the wise is enough

    Sometimes, even no word to the wise is enough.

    I don't think Chibo intended his work for, say, primary school.
    , @U. Ranus
    > C’mon, you’re not gonna mention race?

    You can dig into that "org chart" of USG and assign (predominant) ethnic groups to each of the boxes. For that very reason, it basically doesn't matter. Remember that time during the election when every shot at global capital was interpreted as antisemitism?

    On the other hand, too many on the right do not get the deep interconnect between capital and the maladies of "progress." Very valuable essay for that reason alone.

    , @CanSpeccy

    Most of these changes are motivated deep down by people who want homogeneity and people who hate those that want homogeneity.
     
    It's not just about homogeneity, it is about genocide.

    To quote Raphael Lemkin, who coined the word:


    ...[it] does not necessarily signify mass killings although it may mean that.

    More often it refers to a coordinated plan aimed at destruction of the essential foundations of the life of national groups so that these groups wither and die like plants that have suffered a blight.
     

    That is exactly the fast approaching fate of the Western nations. Under current population and cultural policies, the fertility of the European nations has fallen far below the replacement rate while mass replacement immigration by people of an alien race and culture is promoted, even in contravention of law.

    Obama, Merkel and other leaders of the EU have been engaged in a genocidal population policy. To reverse the trend, it is essential to provide both an economic basis and a cultural environment favorable to a revival in fertility. That is what Trump's announced policies amount to: repatriation of manufacturing jobs upon which the prosperity of the masses depend directly or indirectly, and an end to political correctness, i.e., K to 12 and beyond brainwashing in the guise of education.

    For those of us who've not read Hersh, a very useful article.

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  • Political “Science”?

    A “science” with zero science.

    Sort of like “holocaust scholar”.

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  • John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "MCPO USN"] says:
    @Callie
    "And what is “America,” anyway?"

    It is the first time (really the third in the history of man) that men started to understand that they did not need another person/group ruling over them and making decisions for them. That they could think for themselves, create lives of value for themselves, etc. But they understood that dealing with the world would require a representative for all of the states, but that representative needed to be limited or those that want power would corrupt it.

    What they did not foresee that the people of that time were ready and able to make their own decisions and lives; but that actions would be taken to destroy the people themselves as a group (groups are easier to control and change), to dumb them down so that a "leader" would become necessary.

    That took decades, lots of decades. It took people that would willingly poisoning the food supplies of the people, poison the water of a nation, poison the very soil and air all to dumb them down chemically. (Leaving out a lot here, this is a very brief summary.)

    It took away the people's knowledge of their own government through "dumbing down" (as briefly described above), re-"education" of the young, subliminals, propaganda, murder, etc all over decades. Consider it a vendetta handed down for generations in order to destroy the danger that this nation and its concept represented to the rest of the ruled-by-a-person world.

    Yet we can still win. why? How? The US Constitution and each state's Constitution is/are our "ruler". The people who serve within them are NOT. the authority they use while serving is NOT theirs but is assigned to the branch or office within a branch and they are allowed to use that authority/power for as long as they keep the contract and do the assigned duties in a constitutional manner. THAT is our government.

    The problem is not now, nor has it ever been our type of government, but the danger our type of government offers to the rest of the world. So we had to be destroyed. Many ways have been used since our beginnings, this has come the closest.

    What is the solution? Read, know, follow the US Constitution and each state's Constitution. Realize though that the state's have been being changed by amendment through lies and deceit of those who serve within it - which voids contracts. The part voided is not the written document, it stands, but the people serving within the governments.

    Who enforces this? The US Constitution requires the people, as the Militia, to enforce it. The Militia has as its constitutionally assigned duties to:
    -- Enforce the US Constitution (supreme law of this land) and each state's Constitution (highest law of the state),
    -- Enforce and keep the “Laws of the Union” (which are constitutional laws ONLY),
    -- Protect the country against all enemies both domestic and foreign, and
    -- “to suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions”.

    All able-bodied Americans are required to be trained as the military is trained, and educated in the US Constitution and their own state's Constitution as that is their highest "boss". There are ranks, officers within the Militia, but any who break away from those two documents no longer have any authority. Guess what, the same is with those that serve within our governments. They also are Oath bound to the US Constitution, and they also would/will no longer meet the written requirements of the position being occupied.

    But it takes the Militia, with the full backing of the US Constitution (in writing) for enforcement to start. Remember, those that serve within the state and general (federal) governments are both required to use the Militia for those things listed above.

    That is America. Are you an American?

    That is America. Are you an American?

    Yes, and I am also sanely rational. What you believe must be done cannot be done without open rebellion.

    While what you say is true “on paper” and in principle, Congressional legislation has undone and denied, systematically, every freedom, right and responsibility established by the Constitution.

    There is no option but revolution.

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    Good that the “myth lives on”, or America would have no chance at all, slim or otherwise.
     
    I'd say that's playing the victim card a bit too far. Also, whom is it good for?

    And what is "America," anyway?

    “And what is “America,” anyway?”

    It is the first time (really the third in the history of man) that men started to understand that they did not need another person/group ruling over them and making decisions for them. That they could think for themselves, create lives of value for themselves, etc. But they understood that dealing with the world would require a representative for all of the states, but that representative needed to be limited or those that want power would corrupt it.

    What they did not foresee that the people of that time were ready and able to make their own decisions and lives; but that actions would be taken to destroy the people themselves as a group (groups are easier to control and change), to dumb them down so that a “leader” would become necessary.

    That took decades, lots of decades. It took people that would willingly poisoning the food supplies of the people, poison the water of a nation, poison the very soil and air all to dumb them down chemically. (Leaving out a lot here, this is a very brief summary.)

    It took away the people’s knowledge of their own government through “dumbing down” (as briefly described above), re-”education” of the young, subliminals, propaganda, murder, etc all over decades. Consider it a vendetta handed down for generations in order to destroy the danger that this nation and its concept represented to the rest of the ruled-by-a-person world.

    Yet we can still win. why? How? The US Constitution and each state’s Constitution is/are our “ruler”. The people who serve within them are NOT. the authority they use while serving is NOT theirs but is assigned to the branch or office within a branch and they are allowed to use that authority/power for as long as they keep the contract and do the assigned duties in a constitutional manner. THAT is our government.

    The problem is not now, nor has it ever been our type of government, but the danger our type of government offers to the rest of the world. So we had to be destroyed. Many ways have been used since our beginnings, this has come the closest.

    What is the solution? Read, know, follow the US Constitution and each state’s Constitution. Realize though that the state’s have been being changed by amendment through lies and deceit of those who serve within it – which voids contracts. The part voided is not the written document, it stands, but the people serving within the governments.

    Who enforces this? The US Constitution requires the people, as the Militia, to enforce it. The Militia has as its constitutionally assigned duties to:
    – Enforce the US Constitution (supreme law of this land) and each state’s Constitution (highest law of the state),
    – Enforce and keep the “Laws of the Union” (which are constitutional laws ONLY),
    – Protect the country against all enemies both domestic and foreign, and
    – “to suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions”.

    All able-bodied Americans are required to be trained as the military is trained, and educated in the US Constitution and their own state’s Constitution as that is their highest “boss”. There are ranks, officers within the Militia, but any who break away from those two documents no longer have any authority. Guess what, the same is with those that serve within our governments. They also are Oath bound to the US Constitution, and they also would/will no longer meet the written requirements of the position being occupied.

    But it takes the Militia, with the full backing of the US Constitution (in writing) for enforcement to start. Remember, those that serve within the state and general (federal) governments are both required to use the Militia for those things listed above.

    That is America. Are you an American?

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    That is America. Are you an American?
     
    Yes, and I am also sanely rational. What you believe must be done cannot be done without open rebellion.

    While what you say is true "on paper" and in principle, Congressional legislation has undone and denied, systematically, every freedom, right and responsibility established by the Constitution.

    There is no option but revolution.
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  • How wonderful to read this after years of seeing bits and pieces scattered about the Internet and press. Several people have hinted at or described small areas that you write about but never have I seen such a comprehensive outline.
    How sad that I have no friends that would be remotely interested in reading your work because it would take more than 2 minutes. I imagine most people couldn’t handle the intellectual shock of reconciling their personal beliefs with this reality.
    This can not end well.
    Thank you,

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    You may care to comment on this (I am sure RU will be sympathetic to assaults onThe Economist's expertise).

    The Economist | India’s demonetisation: Modi’s bungle http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21711040-narendra-modi-needs-take-measures-mitigate-damage-his-rupee-reform-has-done-indias?frsc=dg%7Cd

    Interesting that there is no reference to gold.

    Answering your 2 responses together:

    Are you suggesting that there are general propositions concerning the relationship of gold to currencies which applies to all countries?

    Keeping this as short as possible to avoid hijacking the thread of Mr. Chibo’s very substantive article, I can answer in a word: Yes.

    As for the Economist, their expertise is not greater than other available sources, but their dishonesty does much to negate any expertise they may have.

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  • @Erebus
    Hey Wizzie,

    The author simply states that he "believes" it to be the case and supports it, albeit weakly by noting that Mumbai's retail gold sales went down by "up to 90%" and that "The manner in which the demonetization was carried out indicates some kind of desperation, because it defied all economic prudence, logic, humanitarian regard and common sense."

    Perhaps the 90% sales drop was true at the outset of the crisis, but if stemming India's gold consumption was the intent, it seems to have backfired.
    See: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/Demonetization-Gold-imports-at-20-month-high/articleshow/55714000.cms
    Modi is no idiot, so one wonders what spring this drastic move welled up from. The fact is that not much of this move makes any sense at all, and gold being at the core of it makes as much sense as anything else. That is, not very much unless an exogenous factor is introduced.

    If one was to speculate based on the assumption that this had something to do with gold, the following should be kept in mind...

    India perennially trades places with China as the world's 1st or 2nd largest importer of gold, and is the world's largest retail market for the metal. As long as gold is treated as a commodity by the bean counters at the IMF, this harms India's balance of trade. So, if gold purchases are indeed dependent on the availability of 500 & 1000 rupee notes, their disappearance will stem purchases, and the author notes that retail gold sales in Mumbai initially suffered a steep decline.
    If the Times of India article is correct going forward, the demand for gold will actually increase. Either way, there will be an impact on the Gold market.

    It is widely reported that there is considerable stress in international, specifically Western, physical gold markets and the extent to which the demonetization alleviates that stress by reducing India's demand will serve to benefit the bullion banks. OTOH, if the Times is right, then that stress will increase.

    Either way, the upshot is that a major gold-currency inflection looms on the horizon. If the importance of that escapes you, you have a lot of reading to do. Perhaps very quickly at that.

    You may care to comment on this (I am sure RU will be sympathetic to assaults onThe Economist’s expertise).

    The Economist | India’s demonetisation: Modi’s bungle http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21711040-narendra-modi-needs-take-measures-mitigate-damage-his-rupee-reform-has-done-indias?frsc=dg%7Cd

    Interesting that there is no reference to gold.

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    Answering your 2 responses together:

    Are you suggesting that there are general propositions concerning the relationship of gold to currencies which applies to all countries?
     
    Keeping this as short as possible to avoid hijacking the thread of Mr. Chibo's very substantive article, I can answer in a word: Yes.

    As for the Economist, their expertise is not greater than other available sources, but their dishonesty does much to negate any expertise they may have.
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  • @Bob Robertson
    It is always possible that Eisenhower knew what Kennedy found out the hard way.

    Various documents, including from what was then North Vietnam, released later, and from the United States (the plot against Diem by the CIA is known, for example, partly from cables) have solved many mysteries and much more is known now than then–even to the extent that some elements operating behind the scenes did not know at the time about other elements operating behind the scenes.

    One of the most interesting mysteries, however, remains–why on earth did Kennedy make Cabot Lodge Ambassador to Vietnam?

    One wondered at the time and the issue has never been seriously resolved, as far as one has seen.

    Interestingly enough, having played a central role in engineering the assassination of Diem, Lodge wanted to make a United States protectorate out of South Vietnam, on the model of the Philippines.

    Diem, by the way, was not incompetent as Lodge had argued. Rather it was Lodge who was incompetent and delusional.

    Even Ho Chi Minh knew that–indeed it was one of the things he and some of the Vietnamese Catholics agreed on–without Diem and his fifteen percent South Vietnam was a lost cause.

    By the way, after the fall of Saigon, and as it turned out, the Communists did not persecute the Roman Catholic Vietnamese.

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  • @Ivan K.
    In want of genuine knowledge on the subject, I'll just quote what has caught my eye recently:

    Early Americans could forgive exorbitant fortunes because they had few meaningful political consequences. What a millionaire in Salem or Philadelphia did with his money did not directly effect those living in St. Louis, Savannah, or Columbus. It often had no effect on those living in the township next door. Consequently, men rich and poor met as social and political equals. As Harry L. Watson, renowned historian of antebellum America, has said, "There was a certain mediocrity of culture, tastes, and opinion that seemed universal among Americans.... Wealth in America could not put on a face of public arrogance, and poverty did not require a posture of cringing deference. Instead, all white male Americans demanded and got a certain rough equality in personal respect from other citizens of the republic." [11]

    Viewing the scene with an outsider's eye, Tocqueville quipped "The striking thing about the United States... is the rarity of lofty ambitions evident in this land where all are actively ambitious." [12] He was right. Americans spoke of their ambitions with words like "independence", "self improvement" and "obtaining a competency." [13] No one aimed to climb the social ladder and join the upper class. As far as most Americans were concerned there was no other class than that which belonged to all white men.

    "This is how the American Dream ends. Not with a bang, but a whimper of elite school applications by poor kids. Like it or not, the Ivies and other top schools are our conduit to the top, and far too many low-income students who should be there are not." (emphasis added).

    Like all phrases of its type, the "American Dream" is an idea. Ideas don't die when they are frustrated. They die when people forget what they mean.

    - http://scholars-stage.blogspot.com/2013/07/economies-of-scale-killed-american-dream.html

     

    Like it or not, the Ivies and other top schools are our conduit to the top, and far too many low-income students who should be there are not.”

    “Top schools” are really little more than conduits to the “top.” There are far too many in them irrespective of their parents’ income or lack of it.

    Here’s my Silence Dogood quote again…

    As a 16 year old, with 2 years of formal schooling ending at the age of 10, Benjamin Franklin wrote this. Note the date:

    I reflected in my Mind on the extream Folly of those Parents, who, blind to their Childrens Dulness, and insensible of the Solidity of their Skulls, because they think their Purses can afford it, will needs send them to the Temple of Learning, where, for want of a suitable Genius, they learn little more than how to carry themselves handsomely, and enter a Room genteely, (which might as well be acquir’d at a Dancing-School,) and from whence they return, after Abundance of Trouble and Charge, as great Blockheads as ever, only more proud and self-conceited.

    I related my Dream with all its Particulars [to a friend], and he, without much Study, presently interpreted it, assuring me, That it was a lively Representation of HARVARD COLLEGE, Etcetera.

    I remain, Sir,
    Your Humble Servant,
    SILENCE DOGOOD.

    The New-England Courant, May 14, 1722

    “I can answer the question, if you want me to.” Harris said. “The median grade in Harvard College is indeed an A-. The most frequently awarded grade in Harvard College is actually a straight A.”

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/12/average_grade_at_harvard_is_a-.html

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    A good, succinct summary tying different authors together. Carroll Quigley could also have been included but articles can only include so much before they become a book. At the time, Orwell’s 1984 was considered to have been inspired by Stalin’s regime. Nowadays it seems more like what we are currently experiencing. The old GDR was reputed to have been a surveillance state but now we can see that it was a piker compared to what we have here. So, do we have an Orwellian ‘inner party’ here conducting business out of the public eye? Older people I knew in the past who grew up in the old communist states but got out seemed to be convinced that the US had some sort of shrouded ‘politburo’ that would thrash things out behind closed doors. Or, on the other hand, is it merely a case where the .1% recognize the commonality of their interests and act accordingly without having to verbalize it, hiring specialists to strategize on how best to do so? It’s hard for the average person to sort this out. I now realize things aren’t as spontaneous as they’ve been made to appear and that the mass media is just a propaganda conduit to the gullible public.

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  • @E. A. Costa
    Mutatis mutandis and structurally the concept of invisible controls on "democracy", eminently manipulatable, were described, with approval, by Edward Bernays in his work Propaganda (1928).

    Also Eisenhower in his relation to the Dulles brothers seems to have been both naive and of two minds.

    Did he include them in the Military Industrial Complex?

    Clearly he suspected that the U-2 Incident was timed to destroy the possibility of detente with the Soviets and he knew that he had been lied to and set up.

    Yet as far as one knows he remained mostly mum.

    It is always possible that Eisenhower knew what Kennedy found out the hard way.

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    Various documents, including from what was then North Vietnam, released later, and from the United States (the plot against Diem by the CIA is known, for example, partly from cables) have solved many mysteries and much more is known now than then--even to the extent that some elements operating behind the scenes did not know at the time about other elements operating behind the scenes.

    One of the most interesting mysteries, however, remains--why on earth did Kennedy make Cabot Lodge Ambassador to Vietnam?

    One wondered at the time and the issue has never been seriously resolved, as far as one has seen.

    Interestingly enough, having played a central role in engineering the assassination of Diem, Lodge wanted to make a United States protectorate out of South Vietnam, on the model of the Philippines.

    Diem, by the way, was not incompetent as Lodge had argued. Rather it was Lodge who was incompetent and delusional.

    Even Ho Chi Minh knew that--indeed it was one of the things he and some of the Vietnamese Catholics agreed on--without Diem and his fifteen percent South Vietnam was a lost cause.

    By the way, after the fall of Saigon, and as it turned out, the Communists did not persecute the Roman Catholic Vietnamese.
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  • @Erebus
    Hey Wizzie,

    The author simply states that he "believes" it to be the case and supports it, albeit weakly by noting that Mumbai's retail gold sales went down by "up to 90%" and that "The manner in which the demonetization was carried out indicates some kind of desperation, because it defied all economic prudence, logic, humanitarian regard and common sense."

    Perhaps the 90% sales drop was true at the outset of the crisis, but if stemming India's gold consumption was the intent, it seems to have backfired.
    See: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/Demonetization-Gold-imports-at-20-month-high/articleshow/55714000.cms
    Modi is no idiot, so one wonders what spring this drastic move welled up from. The fact is that not much of this move makes any sense at all, and gold being at the core of it makes as much sense as anything else. That is, not very much unless an exogenous factor is introduced.

    If one was to speculate based on the assumption that this had something to do with gold, the following should be kept in mind...

    India perennially trades places with China as the world's 1st or 2nd largest importer of gold, and is the world's largest retail market for the metal. As long as gold is treated as a commodity by the bean counters at the IMF, this harms India's balance of trade. So, if gold purchases are indeed dependent on the availability of 500 & 1000 rupee notes, their disappearance will stem purchases, and the author notes that retail gold sales in Mumbai initially suffered a steep decline.
    If the Times of India article is correct going forward, the demand for gold will actually increase. Either way, there will be an impact on the Gold market.

    It is widely reported that there is considerable stress in international, specifically Western, physical gold markets and the extent to which the demonetization alleviates that stress by reducing India's demand will serve to benefit the bullion banks. OTOH, if the Times is right, then that stress will increase.

    Either way, the upshot is that a major gold-currency inflection looms on the horizon. If the importance of that escapes you, you have a lot of reading to do. Perhaps very quickly at that.

    My original understanding of the motive for the recall of (for India) big notes was that it was meant to improve tax collection and hurt the corrupt who dealt in cash to escape detection.

    Are you suggesting that there are general propositions concerning the relationship of gold to currencies which applies to all countries? If not you are not expressing yoursel very clearly in your last par. As i wrote a paper rather precļciously over 50 years ago against the gold bugs obsessions, pointing out that the IMF could create an international currency (as happpened in the shape of “drawing rights” not long afterwards) I would be interested to know what you think you know that I should know.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Well its "+interesting" to speculate about whether thevauthor of that actually earns a living by getting people to take his writing seriously.

    To one who regarded that ĺinked piece as 90 per cent crap can you say what in his record or writings lends credit to anything he writes? I admit to not having thought that the Indian withdrawal of large denomination notes had anything to do with gold and still think that, if he is right about the connection, it is not important.

    Hey Wizzie,

    The author simply states that he “believes” it to be the case and supports it, albeit weakly by noting that Mumbai’s retail gold sales went down by “up to 90%” and that “The manner in which the demonetization was carried out indicates some kind of desperation, because it defied all economic prudence, logic, humanitarian regard and common sense.”

    Perhaps the 90% sales drop was true at the outset of the crisis, but if stemming India’s gold consumption was the intent, it seems to have backfired.
    See: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/Demonetization-Gold-imports-at-20-month-high/articleshow/55714000.cms
    Modi is no idiot, so one wonders what spring this drastic move welled up from. The fact is that not much of this move makes any sense at all, and gold being at the core of it makes as much sense as anything else. That is, not very much unless an exogenous factor is introduced.

    If one was to speculate based on the assumption that this had something to do with gold, the following should be kept in mind…

    India perennially trades places with China as the world’s 1st or 2nd largest importer of gold, and is the world’s largest retail market for the metal. As long as gold is treated as a commodity by the bean counters at the IMF, this harms India’s balance of trade. So, if gold purchases are indeed dependent on the availability of 500 & 1000 rupee notes, their disappearance will stem purchases, and the author notes that retail gold sales in Mumbai initially suffered a steep decline.
    If the Times of India article is correct going forward, the demand for gold will actually increase. Either way, there will be an impact on the Gold market.

    It is widely reported that there is considerable stress in international, specifically Western, physical gold markets and the extent to which the demonetization alleviates that stress by reducing India’s demand will serve to benefit the bullion banks. OTOH, if the Times is right, then that stress will increase.

    Either way, the upshot is that a major gold-currency inflection looms on the horizon. If the importance of that escapes you, you have a lot of reading to do. Perhaps very quickly at that.

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    My original understanding of the motive for the recall of (for India) big notes was that it was meant to improve tax collection and hurt the corrupt who dealt in cash to escape detection.

    Are you suggesting that there are general propositions concerning the relationship of gold to currencies which applies to all countries? If not you are not expressing yoursel very clearly in your last par. As i wrote a paper rather precļciously over 50 years ago against the gold bugs obsessions, pointing out that the IMF could create an international currency (as happpened in the shape of "drawing rights" not long afterwards) I would be interested to know what you think you know that I should know.

    , @Wizard of Oz
    You may care to comment on this (I am sure RU will be sympathetic to assaults onThe Economist's expertise).

    The Economist | India’s demonetisation: Modi’s bungle http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21711040-narendra-modi-needs-take-measures-mitigate-damage-his-rupee-reform-has-done-indias?frsc=dg%7Cd

    Interesting that there is no reference to gold.
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  • #33 by Jus’ Sayin’. Obvious errors: 1963, (not 1964) on the Kennedy’s sending in significant number of troops. JFK did not order the assassination of Diem. Both were Catholic, and JFK did not want Diem murdered, only removed as president. Diem and his brother were murdered by the CIA elements in S. Vietnam. The pic of JFK after learning that Diem and brother were actually killed instead of just removed from power shows his shock and disapproval. Your other implied point of things going bad in 1965 ignored one basic point: who was president in 1965? Hint: it wasn’t JFK. That sociopath, corrupt criminal who created the coup d’etat on Nov. 22, 1963, was the instigator (re: Liar-in-chief with his Aug. 1964 claim of a so-called “attack” against the USS Maddox in early-Aug. 1964) in making the disaster in Vietnam possible.

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  • @Alden
    The day Kennedy was inaugurated there were 780 American troops in Vietnam. There were there to train S Vietnamese to use the weapons America sold them.

    The day Kennedy died there were more than 40,000 American troops in Vietnam, fighting, not training or advising.

    The summer before Kennedy died, the summer of 1963 a man I knew who had been in the military who was allegedly out of the military got a phone call and left town the next day. I didn't see him until October. He told me he had been in Laos and Cambodia. He didn't of course say what he had done in those countries

    The whole "Kennedy did not intend to escalate the war in Vietnam" thing was just 1960's leftist propaganda spread by Mark Lane and the rest of the lefties who claimed Kennedy was killed by a consortium of FBI CIA Secret Service Dallas Police John Bircher Republicans the military, anti communists and other evil right winger KKK types who killed Kennedy because Kennedy planned to withdraw from Vietnam

    The lies they spread are believed by many. But the facts are that in less than 3 years Kennedy escalated the war by increasing the American troops from 780 weapons trainers to more than 40,000 combat troops. And the summer before Kennedy was killed he had operatives on the ground in Cambodia and Laos.

    Liberals always claimed the the evil CIA pentagon sent those 40,000 troops to Vietnam without informing Kennedy.
    Maybe so, he was pretty much a comatose invalid addicted to his pain pills.

    Why do you persist in saying untrue things? Kennedy did not have anywhere close to 40,000 troops in Vietnam at the time of his death. He had 16,500 as almost all sources have said. He planned to withdraw 1,000 of those by the end of 1963, and remove all by 1965, after his re-election. Your post is full of hate, wrongful facts, and general nonsense about him, and Vietnam. I don’t even believe your 780 troops in Jan. 1961. Ike (and maybe Truman started before) had well over 2,000 troops in Vietnam by the time Ike left the presidency. I don’ t know the exact number, but it was more than your silly 780. Mark Lane was essentially correct, and you were wrong! The CIA, LBJ and others (Big Oil, Mafia, FBI) were the central planners and/or cover-up artists in killing Kennedy. The fact of withdrawing 1,000 by the end of 1963, and removing all by 1965 is verified by Kennedy’s National Security Action Memorandum (NSAM) #263, issued on Oct. 11, 1963. You obviously know-nothing about this, nor LBJs sudden reversal of it with his own #273 on Nov. 26, the day after Kennedy’s funeral. So, stop blaming the Vietnam War disaster on Kennedy, and start looking at LBJs outrage statement in saying, “I don’t want to lose Vietnam, as Truman lost China” (paraphrasing) in reversing Kennedy’s peace strategy while remaining military strong. Even the strongest right-winger, Gen. Douglas MacArthur warned Kennedy not to get into a land war in Asia. He should know, after the Korean War disaster, 1950-53. Kennedy wanted peaceful co-existence, not a Pax Americana enforced by American weapons of war, as he magnificently stated in his American University speech on June 10, 1963. But what do you know about that, or anything else in your loony ranting against Kennedy when you have no facts? And your idiotic, nutty rant on his supposed ” comatose invalid addicted to his pain pills” is nothing short of a screwball ad hominem attack that has no basis in fact. Mark Lane was essentially correct in putting the blame on the CIA, and other powerful special interest groups. You need to read up on the real Vietnam War history, and not the fairy tale you had someone talk you into believing!

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  • I think C. Wright Mills was a TWENTIETH-Century Cassandra.

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  • @E. A. Costa
    Your figures are wrong. There were about 16,000 US military--all branches-- in Vietnam in 1963. Some were advisers, some combat, and also there were a few hundred new Special Forces.

    It is not a question of whether Kennedy wanted to "escalate" or not--that was not a question even phrased until after his death. In fact as one recalls the word "escalate" was not used in the context of Vietnam until 1965 or so. It was new coinage. One could probably find first use in context with enough looking.

    Clearly Kennedy wanted to continue the war but both Diem and Kennedy agreed that massive numbers of US combat troops would be a disaster. It was not a question of what but how and Diem in retrospect was clearly right--massive numbers of US combat troops were ill advised.

    Ho Chi Minh and Diem knew one another personally from their student days. Ho Chi Minh had a very high opinion of Diem's abilities. He even asked Diem to be his interior minister at one point. Both were Vietnamese Nationalists. One the theory about the assassination of Diem by Lodge and elements in the CIA is that they feared Diem and Ho Chi Minh would eventually negotiate a settlement.

    Actually what Diem really wanted, and asked Kennedy for, was a South Vietnamese invasion of the the North supported by US air and naval forces.

    One has no idea what nonsense your are spouting about revisionism from the likes of Mark Lane, etc.

    Save for the inaccuracy of your figures there is nothing else worth commenting upon in your uninformed post.

    Pardon uncaught typos– “One theory”, “you are spouting” and any others still uncaught.

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  • @Alden
    The day Kennedy was inaugurated there were 780 American troops in Vietnam. There were there to train S Vietnamese to use the weapons America sold them.

    The day Kennedy died there were more than 40,000 American troops in Vietnam, fighting, not training or advising.

    The summer before Kennedy died, the summer of 1963 a man I knew who had been in the military who was allegedly out of the military got a phone call and left town the next day. I didn't see him until October. He told me he had been in Laos and Cambodia. He didn't of course say what he had done in those countries

    The whole "Kennedy did not intend to escalate the war in Vietnam" thing was just 1960's leftist propaganda spread by Mark Lane and the rest of the lefties who claimed Kennedy was killed by a consortium of FBI CIA Secret Service Dallas Police John Bircher Republicans the military, anti communists and other evil right winger KKK types who killed Kennedy because Kennedy planned to withdraw from Vietnam

    The lies they spread are believed by many. But the facts are that in less than 3 years Kennedy escalated the war by increasing the American troops from 780 weapons trainers to more than 40,000 combat troops. And the summer before Kennedy was killed he had operatives on the ground in Cambodia and Laos.

    Liberals always claimed the the evil CIA pentagon sent those 40,000 troops to Vietnam without informing Kennedy.
    Maybe so, he was pretty much a comatose invalid addicted to his pain pills.

    Your figures are wrong. There were about 16,000 US military–all branches– in Vietnam in 1963. Some were advisers, some combat, and also there were a few hundred new Special Forces.

    It is not a question of whether Kennedy wanted to “escalate” or not–that was not a question even phrased until after his death. In fact as one recalls the word “escalate” was not used in the context of Vietnam until 1965 or so. It was new coinage. One could probably find first use in context with enough looking.

    Clearly Kennedy wanted to continue the war but both Diem and Kennedy agreed that massive numbers of US combat troops would be a disaster. It was not a question of what but how and Diem in retrospect was clearly right–massive numbers of US combat troops were ill advised.

    Ho Chi Minh and Diem knew one another personally from their student days. Ho Chi Minh had a very high opinion of Diem’s abilities. He even asked Diem to be his interior minister at one point. Both were Vietnamese Nationalists. One the theory about the assassination of Diem by Lodge and elements in the CIA is that they feared Diem and Ho Chi Minh would eventually negotiate a settlement.

    Actually what Diem really wanted, and asked Kennedy for, was a South Vietnamese invasion of the the North supported by US air and naval forces.

    One has no idea what nonsense your are spouting about revisionism from the likes of Mark Lane, etc.

    Save for the inaccuracy of your figures there is nothing else worth commenting upon in your uninformed post.

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    Pardon uncaught typos-- "One theory", "you are spouting" and any others still uncaught.
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  • Shadow Elite: How the World’s New Power Brokers Undermine Democracy, Government, and the Free Market by Wedel

    Fascinating exposure of the Flexian Neocon Richard Perle and the REST of them

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  • “The result of this pseudo–market [health care] system is sky-high costs, large profits for the private health care sector, and no political will to reform.” (Jeffrey D. Sachs) Emphasis mine.

    I’ll see that, and raise. My guess is that the social pathologies many of us talk about here are rooted in or aggravated by the “racketeerization” of economic activity and political discourse by “deep state” players, or their equivalent at local levels so that “political will” and “economic will” are pretty much broken. How many of us thought we were playing by a set of rules we thought transparent and well-established by common consent or what-have-you, only to discover we’d been big-time snookered?

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  • @Denis
    On Nov14 Stephen J. Sniegoski writing on this blog reviewed Alison Weir’s excellent book “Against Our Better Judgement.” The review and the book reviewed are both very much worth the read.

    The reason I raise it here is that Weir was the first writer I know of to explain how the Israeli Jews (iJews, if you will) began to infiltrate the top tiers of the USG a century ago. It was back in Wilson’s day, 30 years before Israel was even established, with disastrous and lasting results for Americans and Palestinians.

    In 1916 the Brits were getting their butts kicked in WWI and zionist Jew Lord Rothschild cut a quid pro quo deal with the British government, specifically Foreign Minister Lord Balfour. The quid was that the iJews would be given Palestine after the war. The quo was that the iJews would bring the Americans into the war, something the Brits had not been able to do.

    The zionist part of the bargain was carried out through 1) American Jews who then, as now, exercised inordinate control over the American entertainment and media industries, and 2) Louis Brandeis, an iJew who was a very close friend of Wilson’s and was appointed to the Supreme Court by him.

    The Balfour Declaration was, essentially, a public promise reduced to writing by the British government to perform their part of the covert agreement. The same year, 1917, America began making enormous contributions to the war effort by supplying goods and equipment. By the summer of 1918 the isolationist American government and public had been turned 180 degrees and were knee-deep in the trenches. The American toll eventually reached 110,000, and, of course, through the British Mandate, iJews began descending on Palestine like locusts – bloodthirsty, terrorist locusts.

    The point is this: any analysis of who pulls the levers of power in America is not complete if it ignores the role and power of iJews at all levels of government and in all branches. It’s like Herman and Chomsky not including, for obvious reasons, zionism in the 5 filters articulated in their famous Propaganda Model. By ignoring the obvious, the paper itself could be perceived as diversionary propaganda. And by “the paper” I refer to both Herman/Chomsky’s paper and Chibo’s -- both of which are well written and "informative" but suspiciously incomplete. If, in 1916, the iJews could pull enough levers to drag 110,000 Americans to their deaths in WWI, then they are certainly a major player in whatever dark, mysterious “Deep State” is in control a century later. We need to talk about that.

    …I refer to both Herman/Chomsky’s paper and Chibo’s — both of which are well written and “informative” but suspiciously incomplete.

    I agree and would add that smart, knowledgeable people seeking the truth avoid promoting fraudulent ideas (mythology) as I pointed out above, to wit, the idea that the US government ever was a government of the people. Why would anyone mar such an info packed article with such a stupendously trite cliche? (Sorry for the redundancy.)

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  • @jacques sheete
    You make a good point there, but I'm not convinced that the national elite gave much of a damn about anything but their bank accounts, either.

    In want of genuine knowledge on the subject, I’ll just quote what has caught my eye recently:

    Early Americans could forgive exorbitant fortunes because they had few meaningful political consequences. What a millionaire in Salem or Philadelphia did with his money did not directly effect those living in St. Louis, Savannah, or Columbus. It often had no effect on those living in the township next door. Consequently, men rich and poor met as social and political equals. As Harry L. Watson, renowned historian of antebellum America, has said, “There was a certain mediocrity of culture, tastes, and opinion that seemed universal among Americans…. Wealth in America could not put on a face of public arrogance, and poverty did not require a posture of cringing deference. Instead, all white male Americans demanded and got a certain rough equality in personal respect from other citizens of the republic.” [11]

    Viewing the scene with an outsider’s eye, Tocqueville quipped “The striking thing about the United States… is the rarity of lofty ambitions evident in this land where all are actively ambitious.” [12] He was right. Americans spoke of their ambitions with words like “independence”, “self improvement” and “obtaining a competency.” [13] No one aimed to climb the social ladder and join the upper class. As far as most Americans were concerned there was no other class than that which belonged to all white men.

    “This is how the American Dream ends. Not with a bang, but a whimper of elite school applications by poor kids. Like it or not, the Ivies and other top schools are our conduit to the top, and far too many low-income students who should be there are not.” (emphasis added).

    Like all phrases of its type, the “American Dream” is an idea. Ideas don’t die when they are frustrated. They die when people forget what they mean.

    - http://scholars-stage.blogspot.com/2013/07/economies-of-scale-killed-american-dream.html

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    Like it or not, the Ivies and other top schools are our conduit to the top, and far too many low-income students who should be there are not.”
     
    "Top schools" are really little more than conduits to the "top." There are far too many in them irrespective of their parents' income or lack of it.

    Here's my Silence Dogood quote again...

    As a 16 year old, with 2 years of formal schooling ending at the age of 10, Benjamin Franklin wrote this. Note the date:

    I reflected in my Mind on the extream Folly of those Parents, who, blind to their Childrens Dulness, and insensible of the Solidity of their Skulls, because they think their Purses can afford it, will needs send them to the Temple of Learning, where, for want of a suitable Genius, they learn little more than how to carry themselves handsomely, and enter a Room genteely, (which might as well be acquir'd at a Dancing-School,) and from whence they return, after Abundance of Trouble and Charge, as great Blockheads as ever, only more proud and self-conceited.

    I related my Dream with all its Particulars [to a friend], and he, without much Study, presently interpreted it, assuring me, That it was a lively Representation of HARVARD COLLEGE, Etcetera.



    I remain, Sir,
    Your Humble Servant,
    SILENCE DOGOOD.

    The New-England Courant, May 14, 1722
     

    "I can answer the question, if you want me to." Harris said. "The median grade in Harvard College is indeed an A-. The most frequently awarded grade in Harvard College is actually a straight A."

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/12/average_grade_at_harvard_is_a-.html
     
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  • @Lorax
    Who is this guy?

    DAVID CHIBO is an Iraqi born.....Australian.....Assyrian......blah blah blah.

    Not Native Born!, not America First! So, dear David, go away, we know all this,
    heard it time and again, ad nauseam.

    Well Gee Whiz!, are you trying to tell us that us that a human political entity (US of A) is not an egalitarian commune which lives by the lovely dictum: from each according to his ability
    to each according to his need?

    Oh oh, we do not live in a socialist paradise as is Cuba under the Castro Brothers!
    We are in trouble. This character wants to relive the the French Revolution. Right here right now.

    Who says a ship needs a captain? Let the crew take command! Some how, some day, some where.

    "we'll find a new way of living, we'll find a new way of giving...some way, some how.

    Hogwash. Cream rises to the top. want to get ahead? Earn it or go way.

    A working person I spoke to today is so happy that Trump won. So happy!

    If you are an American who does not like this result, sorry.

    Is this the Iraqi who lied to congress during the Bush administration that Saddam Huessin had weapons of mass destruction hidden away? That was the excuse for us to destroy Iraq, kill Huessin and set the stage for Isis?

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