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    Introduction Alain Brossat and Sylvie Klingberg’s Revolutionary Yiddishland: A History of Jewish Radicalism was first published in France in 1983. A revised edition appeared in 2009 and an English translation in 2016. Intended for a mainly Jewish readership, the book is essentially an apologia for Jewish communist militants in Eastern Europe in the early to...
  • @Bardon Kaldian

    I am, as a German, frequently told to be ashamed for the Holocaust, despite the fact that even my parents were small children during the war and none of my family had any part in it (some of them, civilists, died though during the bombings and all who survived had to live in communist GDR).
     
    Collective guilt is bs. It simply does not exist & is nothing more than a tool in instilling a sense of impotence & vulnerability in one's enemy (Germans in this case). This applies not only to younger Germans, but also to all Germans of any age, wherever & whenever they had lived.

    As for Jews, there had been ca. 3 million of them in what had become Soviet Union. They were over-represented (although- not if we count urban population); just, Poles, Letts, ... were even more over-represented, having in mind they were living, mostly, outside of the future Soviet Union.

    Germans as single people have so many qualities. All together, horror. Probably , judging by now / Merkel-Mengele, Schulze/ they are determined to destroy our world. Again.
    Wehrmacht on the Russian Border, AGAIN !

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    Although the author has made a few very good points (media exploitation of shoah; Jewish ethnic animus toward Czarist regime; ..)- his main thesis, crafted along Kevin MacDonald's ideas is- wrong.

    Jews had been numerically over-represented in the CP USSR (and its earlier variants). They've comprised ca. 5% of all card-carrying Bolsheviks & close to 50% of the Politburo during Lenin's times (never reached 50%+). They- Russian & Ukrainian Jews (except in the BUND)- never advocated separate Jewish interests, and, what is more important, they did not perceive themselves as Jews in a national sense- except in cases when they fiercely attacked Zionism as a “grave ideological error”. Many of them were actually Russian national loyalists, which was evident from their behavior in the Brest-Litovsk treaty crisis, when Lenin had had virtually all the Bolshevik party & Politburo against himself, this time based purely on “national pride” agenda (“we won't give our land to Germans”.)

    As for influence, to put it shortly: it was Lenin, an ethnic Russian with marginal Jewish ancestry (a converted mother's father Moishko Blank, himself an anti-Semite) he wasn't aware of until he was 35, and later didn't care about, who has created & lead the successful global socio-political transformation called Communism. Lenin designed & built Bolshevik party as a highly militarized, disciplined & ideologically dogmatic sect, a universal machine for transformation of all resentments (social, national, religious, personal, ethnic, “racial”, cultural, economic,..) into a “laser beam” of focused, almost inevitably violent determination for possession of total power and creation of a new, Communist utopia.

    Both ideas and actions in the crucial periods from 1903. to 1922. were his, frequently opposed by more cautious Russian & ethnically non-Russian Bolshevik leadership. The most prominent Bolshevik rulers during the revolution and civil war, of Jewish origin, had been: Zinoviev, Kamenev, Sverdlov and Trotsky. Sverdlov was perhaps the most influential among Bolshevik Jews in the earliest stage, but he died (or was killed) too soon. He himself never developed any idea, nor had been the central figure in any significant event- except the execution of Russian royal family. Trotsky, who had been a Menshevik but switched his loyalties to Lenin, played the pivotal role in organization of the Red Army, but his vanity & verbal excesses have alienated him from many other top Bolsheviks who feared his influence: so “Jewish” Zinoviev and Kamenev formed an alliance with the Georgian Stalin (and his lapdogs) to isolate & destroy Trotsky. They succeeded, but were later destroyed in the power struggles with other Stalin's allies (this time ethnic Russian Bukharin and others). At the end, the entire “old guard”, except Stalin, had been killed, one way or another. So much for “Jewish solidarity”.

    What Kevin Macdonald can't (or won't) see is that pure stats don't mean much. One person, Lenin, totally dominated the party & the Revolution (the foundation of the Bolshevik ideology, the central strategy and tactics in post-February days, the planning and execution of the October coup d'etat, formation of the Cheka, the decision to switch to War Communism, the tactical withdrawal in the humiliating Brest-Litovsk treaty, crucial political/economic “retreat” embodied in the New Economic policy, …). On many occasions Bolsheviks of Jewish extraction had tried- unsuccessfully- to counter Lenin's unique combination of radicalism & pragmatism, but inevitably failed: they've been frequently too radical, but not realistic enough; in other instances like the October coup, they were mostly too cautious and afraid to move (so was Stalin). In all critical moments Lenin virtually raped the party- and won.

    Somewhere around 1920-1921, Stalin became the man of Lenin's primary confidence. He was the only person who could see him without prior notice (Kamenev, Zinoviev, Trotsky, ..and other Jewish Bolsheviks couldn't). After 1922. (Lenin died in 1924., completely incapacitated), Stalin was, effectively, the most influential Communist ruler & all other influential political figures, whether Jewish, ethnic Russian, Caucasian, Polish, Baltic, Ukrainian, ...could not overthrow him, nor impose their ideas and practices. Eventually, Stalin got rid off all leaders of revolution and mercifully “spared” only figures of secondary importance whose chief characteristics had been blind loyalty to him.

    To summarize: over-representation of Soviet Jews in the early stages of the Communist revolution (Sverdlov, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Uritsky, Ioffe ..or their enemies like Martov, Gershuny, Blumkin (he has later “converted”, but was executed as a Trotskyst during the Purges), Dora Kaplan …) or in Stalin's Soviet Union (Kaganovich, Yagoda, Litvinov, Neftali Frenkel, ..) is an interesting phenomenon, but proves- nothing. The very formation of a new type of society was, essentially, the result of Lenin's genius; consolidation of the new “theocratic” empire was in the hands of one man, Stalin. All Communist Jews, from top to bottom, were mostly executors and followers, not shapers of history along the ideas & practices they themselves had created. And I won't address the issue of Soviet Jewish victims (Mandel'shtam, Mikhoels, Babel', …). So, Kevin MacDonald is partially right, but his thesis about some imaginary Jewish survival strategy & brilliant success and “high life” in the Soviet Union they had- according to MacDonald – made for themselves is simply- wrong.

    Problem with Stalin. He was the one who worked hard. And others talk and write …just mucking around after defeat of Whites.

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  • @Wyatt Pendleton
    If you want to know whose guilty at the core of a thing, look for those you cannot criticize. The more punitive the force of reprisal for heresy, the more guilty that party is.

    WASPS are not as emotional as Jews and lean more towards social ostracization rather than emotional outbursts.

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  • @Jake
    The primary intellectual and moral background of Neocon Jews is Marxism, most specifically Trotskyism.

    And it wedded easily, naturally, almost perfectly, to WASP globalist imperialism, which at least tripled its power globally.

    Oliver Cromwell could have predicted it, and he would have approved wholeheartedily.

    You cannot solve the 'Jewish problem' without also solving the 'WASP problem.'

    Gonna convert em’ all, Jake? Will they accept Pope Francis as The Vicar of Christ on the Earth?

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  • @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Nobody went into exile, Nobility and wealthy people were summarily executed. No trials that would have been ridiculous. But numbers as 30 million are ridiculously exaggerated,

    Offspring of the exiles settled in NYC, Chicago, SF, etc. In Chicago their churches are small and few in number.

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  • @Gerd
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    OK. I accept your argument. And of that follows:

    I am, as a German, frequently told to be ashamed for the Holocaust, despite the fact that even my parents were small children during the war and none of my family had any part in it (some of them, civilists, died though during the bombings and all who survived had to live in communist GDR).
    I went through school, and at least once a year we were walked through some KZ or the other and taught that our forefathers routinely made soap of other people.

    But next time someone tells me "the Germans killed the Jews" I will use your argument:
    It was just Hitler. No one else had to do with it.

    Of course I will not do that. It is a total rubbish argument.

    BTW: Even if the Jews only made up 50% of Lenin's politburo: what was their share in the general population? 2%? 3%
    We have to be able to talk about history frankly. Even if we unlike some of the facts.

    I am, as a German, frequently told to be ashamed for the Holocaust, despite the fact that even my parents were small children during the war and none of my family had any part in it (some of them, civilists, died though during the bombings and all who survived had to live in communist GDR).

    Collective guilt is bs. It simply does not exist & is nothing more than a tool in instilling a sense of impotence & vulnerability in one’s enemy (Germans in this case). This applies not only to younger Germans, but also to all Germans of any age, wherever & whenever they had lived.

    As for Jews, there had been ca. 3 million of them in what had become Soviet Union. They were over-represented (although- not if we count urban population); just, Poles, Letts, … were even more over-represented, having in mind they were living, mostly, outside of the future Soviet Union.

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    Germans as single people have so many qualities. All together, horror. Probably , judging by now / Merkel-Mengele, Schulze/ they are determined to destroy our world. Again.
    Wehrmacht on the Russian Border, AGAIN !
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  • @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Yes I do understand. Stupidities usually are not disputed.

    This comment was meant to idiot Anon.

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  • @biz

    1000s of millions of white lives lost over the century
     
    Billions of white lives lost??? Are there even billions of whites in the world?

    ok typo police ( is there a lower form of faggtry?) there are aproximately a billion of us, had not the leftist revolutions , world wars and neocon wars happened there would no doubt be another billion. had we instead 100 years come to understand that raising the lower races up was a fools errand and instead recognized evolution had revealed the universe was our for the taking and we had instead relegated the lower races to wildlife preserves of the cultural /technological states we first found them. their would be billions more of us, without the trillions in treasure and worse cognitin we have wasted on the stupid diversity movement we could by now have moved mars into near earth orbit and terraformed it.

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  • Yes I do understand. Stupidities usually are not disputed.

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    This comment was meant to idiot Anon.
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  • @Anon
    Jews from Vienna were deported to Riga and Minsk along with Jews in other large German cities in September 1941. This is not disputed.

    The Nazis themselves counted 5 million Jews in the USSR not including the Baltic States, half of them in Ukraine.

    You’re referring to the estimate in the Wannsee Protocol?

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  • @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Jews in Austria were not touched. I should have included also Serbia their Jews did have Serbian support.
    Most of the Jews in Serbia had a possibility to hide. Also very small number of Hungarian Jews died.
    Hungarian Jews started to be persecuted when Russian army already crossed the the border of Hungary.
    Five million Russian Jews is also exaggeration. I would estimate according the numbers I did get in the end of fifties was below three million.

    Jews from Vienna were deported to Riga and Minsk along with Jews in other large German cities in September 1941. This is not disputed.

    The Nazis themselves counted 5 million Jews in the USSR not including the Baltic States, half of them in Ukraine.

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    You’re referring to the estimate in the Wannsee Protocol?
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  • @renfro
    Yes it did...so says the holocaust museum.

    No it doesn’t. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

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  • @renfro
    Yes it did...so says the holocaust museum.

    There is half a point there, the 4M number referred to “Jews and Communists” and at least some in the West recognized it as Soviet propaganda, e.g. Hilberg put the number at about 1M. But of course there’s no real basis for that number either (recall Hoess, the camp commandant, was tortured into “confessing” to 2.5M), hence the need to claim there were “unregistered” prisoners who were unfit for work and sent to the gas chambers upon arrival (except of course people like Ann Frank who had typhus and was transferred to Bergen-Belsen where she died, or Elie Wiesel’s elderly father who was in the infirmary and left with his son when given the choice of evacuating with the Germans or staying to await the Red Army).

    The main point is, the death toll for Auschwitz has been continually revised downward, I believe even some Israeli researchers put the death toll at 500K. To me a more interesting absurdity is Majdanek, where the Soviets claimed 1.4M were killed. The officially accepted number is now around 70K total, with half of those being Jews. And yes, the 6M remains fixed, with balances being shifted aroudn as necessary between the camps and Einzatgruppen shootings, etc.

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  • @Anon
    The six million figure never included a four million figure from Auschwitz.

    Yes it did…so says the holocaust museum.

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    There is half a point there, the 4M number referred to "Jews and Communists" and at least some in the West recognized it as Soviet propaganda, e.g. Hilberg put the number at about 1M. But of course there's no real basis for that number either (recall Hoess, the camp commandant, was tortured into "confessing" to 2.5M), hence the need to claim there were "unregistered" prisoners who were unfit for work and sent to the gas chambers upon arrival (except of course people like Ann Frank who had typhus and was transferred to Bergen-Belsen where she died, or Elie Wiesel's elderly father who was in the infirmary and left with his son when given the choice of evacuating with the Germans or staying to await the Red Army).

    The main point is, the death toll for Auschwitz has been continually revised downward, I believe even some Israeli researchers put the death toll at 500K. To me a more interesting absurdity is Majdanek, where the Soviets claimed 1.4M were killed. The officially accepted number is now around 70K total, with half of those being Jews. And yes, the 6M remains fixed, with balances being shifted aroudn as necessary between the camps and Einzatgruppen shootings, etc.
    , @Anon
    No it doesn’t. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
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  • I use it only because it does describes so well how populations are brought along into wars and ventures they aren’t prepared to accept the worst case scenario for.
    Not as example of whether Germany was right or wrong.

    We are currently being ‘brought along’ in the ME…..read up on what our military is up to right now……I recommend Col Pat Lang’s blog.

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  • @anonymous
    what's the basis for these percentages?

    sounds like pulling numbers out of the air.

    Most of the Jews of Europe did live in Capital cities. In capital cities they had a Jewish quarter.
    To exaggerate I took 25 % of the city size. They were Jews in smaller cities but they had a chance to hide through friend or they paid for lodging and food.
    Anyway the number is approximation but it is certainly the upper limit.

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  • @Anon
    Why exclude Austria? FYI, the five million Jews of the USSR were mostly never put in camps. Nor were perhaps half a million Polish Jews. Three million Jews at most died in camps.

    Jews in Austria were not touched. I should have included also Serbia their Jews did have Serbian support.
    Most of the Jews in Serbia had a possibility to hide. Also very small number of Hungarian Jews died.
    Hungarian Jews started to be persecuted when Russian army already crossed the the border of Hungary.
    Five million Russian Jews is also exaggeration. I would estimate according the numbers I did get in the end of fifties was below three million.

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    Jews from Vienna were deported to Riga and Minsk along with Jews in other large German cities in September 1941. This is not disputed.

    The Nazis themselves counted 5 million Jews in the USSR not including the Baltic States, half of them in Ukraine.
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  • @renfro
    It can happen in any nation...the wars the US started (Iraq) is an example
    of the governing by fear.

    They Thought They Were Free
    The Germans, 1933-45
    Milton Mayer

    excerpt

    "What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

    "This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.
    "The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your ‘little men,’ your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about—we were decent people—and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?

    "To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it—please try to believe me—unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’ that no ‘patriotic German’ could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.

    "How is this to be avoided, among ordinary men, even highly educated ordinary men? Frankly, I do not know. I do not see, even now. Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice—‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘Consider the end.’ But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men? Things might have. And everyone counts on that might.''

    It’s surprising you give Mayer so much credence, renfro.

    I wouldn’t.

    He wrote/published in 1955, when it you could make big money continuing the campaign of demonizing Germany.

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  • @Ilyana_Rozumova
    If you want to come to approximate number take the population of major European cities of the time.
    Exclude Austria Swiss Sweden, and Finland.
    Take 25%. of that number. That would be the approximate number of Jews in the camps. (maximum)
    I do not think that would come even close to six million.

    what’s the basis for these percentages?

    sounds like pulling numbers out of the air.

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    Most of the Jews of Europe did live in Capital cities. In capital cities they had a Jewish quarter.
    To exaggerate I took 25 % of the city size. They were Jews in smaller cities but they had a chance to hide through friend or they paid for lodging and food.
    Anyway the number is approximation but it is certainly the upper limit.
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  • @renfro
    I never did much research on the camps or holocaust other than many years ago I found the census records for all the countries Germany is said to have rounded up and transported Jews from.....frankly, on those figures alone I didn't see how the 6 million could be correct.

    I did a bit more on it a couple of years ago after reading some Jewish claims on mondoweiss
    Last I saw Auschwitz officially dropped the 4 million number assigned to that camp down to 1 and 1/2 million.
    That’s a reduction of 2 and 1/2 million off the Jews claimed 6 million jews killed.....so its 3 1/2 million and I don't think its even that.

    The holocaust industry hasn't sued the Auschwitz historians yet so they must have had some uncontestable evidence for the reduced number of deaths or the jews would have sued them.

    However they will always lie about it.

    The six million figure never included a four million figure from Auschwitz.

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    Yes it did...so says the holocaust museum.
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  • @Ilyana_Rozumova
    If you want to come to approximate number take the population of major European cities of the time.
    Exclude Austria Swiss Sweden, and Finland.
    Take 25%. of that number. That would be the approximate number of Jews in the camps. (maximum)
    I do not think that would come even close to six million.

    Why exclude Austria? FYI, the five million Jews of the USSR were mostly never put in camps. Nor were perhaps half a million Polish Jews. Three million Jews at most died in camps.

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    Jews in Austria were not touched. I should have included also Serbia their Jews did have Serbian support.
    Most of the Jews in Serbia had a possibility to hide. Also very small number of Hungarian Jews died.
    Hungarian Jews started to be persecuted when Russian army already crossed the the border of Hungary.
    Five million Russian Jews is also exaggeration. I would estimate according the numbers I did get in the end of fifties was below three million.
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  • Let a Jew, actually a former Jew and American Patriot, tell you the truth!

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    Exactly. Any Jew who died in Europe during the war, of whatever cause, was “killed” by the Germans.

    Any Jew who died in Europe during the war, of whatever cause, was “killed” by the Germans

    Not only Jews btw… all excess deaths in the Soviet Union during the war, a war the Stalinist regime was heavily responsible for, are pinned on NS Germany.

    Vae victis!

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  • @bandw
    Why don't we hear any Jewish radicalism from Jews living in Muslim world? Could it be that Islam is more compatible to Judaism in its religious doctrine ? It is the cultural clash between two religions that produces Jewish radicalism.

    Jewish radicalism from Jews living in Muslim world..

    Literally, Israel?

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  • @renfro
    I never did much research on the camps or holocaust other than many years ago I found the census records for all the countries Germany is said to have rounded up and transported Jews from.....frankly, on those figures alone I didn't see how the 6 million could be correct.

    I did a bit more on it a couple of years ago after reading some Jewish claims on mondoweiss
    Last I saw Auschwitz officially dropped the 4 million number assigned to that camp down to 1 and 1/2 million.
    That’s a reduction of 2 and 1/2 million off the Jews claimed 6 million jews killed.....so its 3 1/2 million and I don't think its even that.

    The holocaust industry hasn't sued the Auschwitz historians yet so they must have had some uncontestable evidence for the reduced number of deaths or the jews would have sued them.

    However they will always lie about it.

    If you want to come to approximate number take the population of major European cities of the time.
    Exclude Austria Swiss Sweden, and Finland.
    Take 25%. of that number. That would be the approximate number of Jews in the camps. (maximum)
    I do not think that would come even close to six million.

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    Why exclude Austria? FYI, the five million Jews of the USSR were mostly never put in camps. Nor were perhaps half a million Polish Jews. Three million Jews at most died in camps.
    , @anonymous
    what's the basis for these percentages?

    sounds like pulling numbers out of the air.
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  • It can happen in any nation…the wars the US started (Iraq) is an example
    of the governing by fear.

    They Thought They Were Free
    The Germans, 1933-45
    Milton Mayer

    excerpt

    “What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

    “This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.
    “The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your ‘little men,’ your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about—we were decent people—and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?

    “To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it—please try to believe me—unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’ that no ‘patriotic German’ could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.

    “How is this to be avoided, among ordinary men, even highly educated ordinary men? Frankly, I do not know. I do not see, even now. Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice—‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘Consider the end.’ But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men? Things might have. And everyone counts on that might.”

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    It's surprising you give Mayer so much credence, renfro.

    I wouldn't.

    He wrote/published in 1955, when it you could make big money continuing the campaign of demonizing Germany.
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  • @Bardon Kaldian
    Although the author has made a few very good points (media exploitation of shoah; Jewish ethnic animus toward Czarist regime; ..)- his main thesis, crafted along Kevin MacDonald's ideas is- wrong.

    Jews had been numerically over-represented in the CP USSR (and its earlier variants). They've comprised ca. 5% of all card-carrying Bolsheviks & close to 50% of the Politburo during Lenin's times (never reached 50%+). They- Russian & Ukrainian Jews (except in the BUND)- never advocated separate Jewish interests, and, what is more important, they did not perceive themselves as Jews in a national sense- except in cases when they fiercely attacked Zionism as a “grave ideological error”. Many of them were actually Russian national loyalists, which was evident from their behavior in the Brest-Litovsk treaty crisis, when Lenin had had virtually all the Bolshevik party & Politburo against himself, this time based purely on “national pride” agenda (“we won't give our land to Germans”.)

    As for influence, to put it shortly: it was Lenin, an ethnic Russian with marginal Jewish ancestry (a converted mother's father Moishko Blank, himself an anti-Semite) he wasn't aware of until he was 35, and later didn't care about, who has created & lead the successful global socio-political transformation called Communism. Lenin designed & built Bolshevik party as a highly militarized, disciplined & ideologically dogmatic sect, a universal machine for transformation of all resentments (social, national, religious, personal, ethnic, “racial”, cultural, economic,..) into a “laser beam” of focused, almost inevitably violent determination for possession of total power and creation of a new, Communist utopia.

    Both ideas and actions in the crucial periods from 1903. to 1922. were his, frequently opposed by more cautious Russian & ethnically non-Russian Bolshevik leadership. The most prominent Bolshevik rulers during the revolution and civil war, of Jewish origin, had been: Zinoviev, Kamenev, Sverdlov and Trotsky. Sverdlov was perhaps the most influential among Bolshevik Jews in the earliest stage, but he died (or was killed) too soon. He himself never developed any idea, nor had been the central figure in any significant event- except the execution of Russian royal family. Trotsky, who had been a Menshevik but switched his loyalties to Lenin, played the pivotal role in organization of the Red Army, but his vanity & verbal excesses have alienated him from many other top Bolsheviks who feared his influence: so “Jewish” Zinoviev and Kamenev formed an alliance with the Georgian Stalin (and his lapdogs) to isolate & destroy Trotsky. They succeeded, but were later destroyed in the power struggles with other Stalin's allies (this time ethnic Russian Bukharin and others). At the end, the entire “old guard”, except Stalin, had been killed, one way or another. So much for “Jewish solidarity”.

    What Kevin Macdonald can't (or won't) see is that pure stats don't mean much. One person, Lenin, totally dominated the party & the Revolution (the foundation of the Bolshevik ideology, the central strategy and tactics in post-February days, the planning and execution of the October coup d'etat, formation of the Cheka, the decision to switch to War Communism, the tactical withdrawal in the humiliating Brest-Litovsk treaty, crucial political/economic “retreat” embodied in the New Economic policy, …). On many occasions Bolsheviks of Jewish extraction had tried- unsuccessfully- to counter Lenin's unique combination of radicalism & pragmatism, but inevitably failed: they've been frequently too radical, but not realistic enough; in other instances like the October coup, they were mostly too cautious and afraid to move (so was Stalin). In all critical moments Lenin virtually raped the party- and won.

    Somewhere around 1920-1921, Stalin became the man of Lenin's primary confidence. He was the only person who could see him without prior notice (Kamenev, Zinoviev, Trotsky, ..and other Jewish Bolsheviks couldn't). After 1922. (Lenin died in 1924., completely incapacitated), Stalin was, effectively, the most influential Communist ruler & all other influential political figures, whether Jewish, ethnic Russian, Caucasian, Polish, Baltic, Ukrainian, ...could not overthrow him, nor impose their ideas and practices. Eventually, Stalin got rid off all leaders of revolution and mercifully “spared” only figures of secondary importance whose chief characteristics had been blind loyalty to him.

    To summarize: over-representation of Soviet Jews in the early stages of the Communist revolution (Sverdlov, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Uritsky, Ioffe ..or their enemies like Martov, Gershuny, Blumkin (he has later “converted”, but was executed as a Trotskyst during the Purges), Dora Kaplan …) or in Stalin's Soviet Union (Kaganovich, Yagoda, Litvinov, Neftali Frenkel, ..) is an interesting phenomenon, but proves- nothing. The very formation of a new type of society was, essentially, the result of Lenin's genius; consolidation of the new “theocratic” empire was in the hands of one man, Stalin. All Communist Jews, from top to bottom, were mostly executors and followers, not shapers of history along the ideas & practices they themselves had created. And I won't address the issue of Soviet Jewish victims (Mandel'shtam, Mikhoels, Babel', …). So, Kevin MacDonald is partially right, but his thesis about some imaginary Jewish survival strategy & brilliant success and “high life” in the Soviet Union they had- according to MacDonald – made for themselves is simply- wrong.

    .
    OK. I accept your argument. And of that follows:

    I am, as a German, frequently told to be ashamed for the Holocaust, despite the fact that even my parents were small children during the war and none of my family had any part in it (some of them, civilists, died though during the bombings and all who survived had to live in communist GDR).
    I went through school, and at least once a year we were walked through some KZ or the other and taught that our forefathers routinely made soap of other people.

    But next time someone tells me “the Germans killed the Jews” I will use your argument:
    It was just Hitler. No one else had to do with it.

    Of course I will not do that. It is a total rubbish argument.

    BTW: Even if the Jews only made up 50% of Lenin’s politburo: what was their share in the general population? 2%? 3%
    We have to be able to talk about history frankly. Even if we unlike some of the facts.

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    I am, as a German, frequently told to be ashamed for the Holocaust, despite the fact that even my parents were small children during the war and none of my family had any part in it (some of them, civilists, died though during the bombings and all who survived had to live in communist GDR).
     
    Collective guilt is bs. It simply does not exist & is nothing more than a tool in instilling a sense of impotence & vulnerability in one's enemy (Germans in this case). This applies not only to younger Germans, but also to all Germans of any age, wherever & whenever they had lived.

    As for Jews, there had been ca. 3 million of them in what had become Soviet Union. They were over-represented (although- not if we count urban population); just, Poles, Letts, ... were even more over-represented, having in mind they were living, mostly, outside of the future Soviet Union.
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  • @Mike Garrett
    Secular Jews use the Bible as a template, a list of things that in the long run weaken a people. Then they promote those activities so that they can make a killing when this society, run by its enemies, crashes. Americans are under the impression that their vague, ephemeral, magical Christianity forces them to accept the Jews as their predecessors, but the catch is that almost all of the Jews they encounter are hard-core secularists, atheists. I once took the complete Ulpan program in Israel, the state program for immigrants to learn modern Hebrew. Of the twenty students in the class three of us admitted to believing in God. All of the rest of the class had recently arrived from the Soviet Union as it was going down, and every one of them said over and over: "I do not believe in God at all; Judaism is not my religion; it is my race." The funny thing about this silly statement is that the whole lot of them obviously carried very very few, if any, ancient Hebrew, Semitic genes. They were obviously a bunch of Khazars whose ancestors had converted and had few racial ties to the ancient Hebrew people.

    The Kahazar hoax – definitely the mark of a serious thinker.

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  • @renfro
    Well this trillion is not in question and this was in 2002---now its probably inching toward 2 trillion in Israel cost.

    Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US

    By David R. Francis, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor December 9, 2002
    https://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html


    Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person.

    This is an estimate by Thomas Stauffer, a consulting economist in Washington. For decades, his analyses of the Middle East scene have made him a frequent thorn in the side of the Israel lobby.
    For the first time in many years, Mr. Stauffer has tallied the total cost to the US of its backing of Israel in its drawn-out, violent dispute with the Palestinians. So far, he figures, the bill adds up to more than twice the cost of the Vietnam War.

    And now Israel wants more. In a meeting at the White House late last month, Israeli officials made a pitch for $4 billion in additional military aid to defray the rising costs of dealing with the intifada and suicide bombings. They also asked for more than $8 billion in loan guarantees to help the country's recession-bound economy.

    Considering Israel's deep economic troubles, Stauffer doubts the Israel bonds covered by the loan guarantees will ever be repaid. The bonds are likely to be structured so they don't pay interest until they reach maturity. If Stauffer is right, the US would end up paying both principal and interest, perhaps 10 years out.

    Israel's request could be part of a supplemental spending bill that's likely to be passed early next year, perhaps wrapped in with the cost of a war with Iraq.
    Israel is the largest recipient of US foreign aid. It is already due to get $2.04 billion in military assistance and $720 million in economic aid in fiscal 2003. It has been getting $3 billion a year for years.

    Adjusting the official aid to 2001 dollars in purchasing power, Israel has been given $240 billion since 1973, Stauffer reckons. In addition, the US has given Egypt $117 billion and Jordan $22 billion in foreign aid in return for signing peace treaties with Israel.

    "Consequently, politically, if not administratively, those outlays are part of the total package of support for Israel," argues Stauffer in a lecture on the total costs of US Middle East policy, commissioned by the US Army War College, for a recent conference at the University of Maine.

    These foreign-aid costs are well known. Many Americans would probably say it is money well spent to support a beleagured democracy of some strategic interest. But Stauffer wonders if Americans are aware of the full bill for supporting Israel since some costs, if not hidden, are little known.

    One huge cost is not secret. It is the higher cost of oil and other economic damage to the US after Israel-Arab wars.
    In 1973, for instance, Arab nations attacked Israel in an attempt to win back territories Israel had conquered in the 1967 war. President Nixon resupplied Israel with US arms, triggering the Arab oil embargo against the US.

    That shortfall in oil deliveries kicked off a deep recession. The US lost $420 billion (in 2001 dollars) of output as a result, Stauffer calculates. And a boost in oil prices cost another $450 billion.
    Afraid that Arab nations might use their oil clout again, the US set up a Strategic Petroleum Reserve. That has since cost, conservatively, $134 billion, Stauffer reckons.

    Other US help includes:

    • US Jewish charities and organizations have remitted grants or bought Israel bonds worth $50 billion to $60 billion. Though private in origin, the money is "a net drain" on the United States economy, says Stauffer.

    • The US has already guaranteed $10 billion in commercial loans to Israel, and $600 million in "housing loans." (See editor's note below.) Stauffer expects the US Treasury to cover these.

    • The US has given $2.5 billion to support Israel's Lavi fighter and Arrow missile projects.

    • Israel buys discounted, serviceable "excess" US military equipment. Stauffer says these discounts amount to "several billion dollars" over recent years.

    • Israel uses roughly 40 percent of its $1.8 billion per year in military aid, ostensibly earmarked for purchase of US weapons, to buy Israeli-made hardware. It also has won the right to require the Defense Department or US defense contractors to buy Israeli-made equipment or subsystems, paying 50 to 60 cents on every defense dollar the US gives to Israel.

    US help, financial and technical, has enabled Israel to become a major weapons supplier. Weapons make up almost half of Israel's manufactured exports. US defense contractors often resent the buy-Israel requirements and the extra competition subsidized by US taxpayers.

    • US policy and trade sanctions reduce US exports to the Middle East about $5 billion a year, costing 70,000 or so American jobs, Stauffer estimates. Not requiring Israel to use its US aid to buy American goods, as is usual in foreign aid, costs another 125,000 jobs.
    • Israel has blocked some major US arms sales, such as F-15 fighter aircraft to Saudi Arabia in the mid-1980s. That cost $40 billion over 10 years, says Stauffer.

    Stauffer's list will be controversial. He's been assisted in this research by a number of mostly retired military or diplomatic officials who do not go public for fear of being labeled anti-Semitic if they criticize America's policies toward Israel.

    Haha ok, if you take the annual US aid to Israel, then add in the aid to some other countries, then integrate over 50 years, and then normalize by some CPI factor you can get to a trillion. So when people here claim that annual US aid to Israel is a trillion dollars they aren’t bullshitting. My bad, lol.

    Likewise I could take the deaths that Stalin was responsible for, add in the deaths that Mao and Pol Pot were responsible for, then normalize by the ratio of the population of the world now to the population of the world then and get up to Stalin being responsible for over 200 million deaths! Or I could take the Jewish holocaust (I know, I know, it didn’t happen, but humor me) of 6 million, throw in a bunch of other deaths from WW2, adjust for the difference in the world population then vs. now, and get it up to 100 million! Damn this game is fun.

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  • @Neil Templeton
    The US is learning. Over the years it has fought many wars for many reasons. Since WWII it has had increasing exposure to wars of foreign cultures, including Asia and the Middle East. At first the US was beaten badly in these conflicts, but now it is beginning to get it, tactically and strategically. Have patience.

    At first the US was beaten badly in these conflicts, but now it is beginning to get it, tactically and strategically. Have patience

    .

    I don’t see where the US has learned anything…..its still creating and stepping in one shit pile after another at the behest of special and foreign interest.

    Furthermore it might be a good thing if the US lost it all in the ME. Tactics and strategy don’t mean jack shit in the long term…….whatever we force today will be overturned tomorrow…..says old man history.

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  • @L.K
    Renfro,

    I have not read this one, THE SIX MILLION: FACT OR FICTION?...

    Amazon actually banned the entire holohoax revisionist catalog... someone is afraid...

    I have read several excellent revisionist books but if I had to recommend just one, particularly for people new to the subject, it would be Germar Rudolf's revised ed. of 'Lectures on the Holocaust: Controversial Issues Cross Examined'. It used to be available at amazon until the recent ban.
    Download it for free @ http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/15-loth.pdf
    Very up-to-date, and covering all bases, including the tech stuff, without being too detailed for the avg person.

    I never did much research on the camps or holocaust other than many years ago I found the census records for all the countries Germany is said to have rounded up and transported Jews from…..frankly, on those figures alone I didn’t see how the 6 million could be correct.

    I did a bit more on it a couple of years ago after reading some Jewish claims on mondoweiss
    Last I saw Auschwitz officially dropped the 4 million number assigned to that camp down to 1 and 1/2 million.
    That’s a reduction of 2 and 1/2 million off the Jews claimed 6 million jews killed…..so its 3 1/2 million and I don’t think its even that.

    The holocaust industry hasn’t sued the Auschwitz historians yet so they must have had some uncontestable evidence for the reduced number of deaths or the jews would have sued them.

    However they will always lie about it.

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    If you want to come to approximate number take the population of major European cities of the time.
    Exclude Austria Swiss Sweden, and Finland.
    Take 25%. of that number. That would be the approximate number of Jews in the camps. (maximum)
    I do not think that would come even close to six million.
    , @Anon
    The six million figure never included a four million figure from Auschwitz.
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  • @renfro

    One can see the resentment to the increasing enslavement, but a low proportion of people constructively contributing to effective methods of what to do about it
     

    We have to move to a more effective form of resistance, the first step is bringing evidence of the secretive anti-social behaviours of the adherents of this collectives to its well-published ‘religious‘ imperatives
     
    So what do you think effective methods are?
    I've been at this for 16 years, been thru ALL the political history and religious history. I know so much about it that the thought of trying to tell it all to the uneducated is like thinking about making myself climb Mt. Everest...no thanks.

    And experience has taught me one thing........trying to move people to action and opposition by revealing the anti social behaviors of the tribe in both Zionism and Judaism doesn't do it for the general public ......mostly because those are both bottomless pit conversations that ((they)) want their opposition bogged down in.

    People will be moved to counter the Jews control of the US government when it affects them personally or they are shown how it affects them personally.

    The short time I have been on unz I haven't seen any commenters interested in actually doing anything about it. Perhaps some take some action they don't mention....but as far as this site is concerned it seems more interested in arguing over ancient history....not what is going on as we speak.

    I said in 2003 that Israel would cause the US to be alienated from every country except Israel, that has more or less now happened.
    I said in 2005 that the Jews would ultimately go after the US Constitution to try and destroy free speech in order to protect Israel----that has now also happened. Fortunately as the news showed last week a Federal judge ruled laws punishing or preventing people from expressing their opinion on Israel or boycotting Israel is unconstitutional. It is things like that that get the publics attention....because it affects them.

    When I go out among friends, acquaintances and strangers I approach the Israel problem very simply.
    I ask them what would have happened if in 1948 their state in the US had turned out to be the Jews promised land and the UN awarded it to them and the Jews had come in and run them out of their homes, burned their crops, poisoned their water wells, slaughtered their livestock, cut down their olive trees and then seized every thing, even their bank accounts, when they fled for their lives.
    The prize for the winning answer goes to the man who replied....'well if that had happened there would be no Jews left alive in the US".

    Then I tell them about the money...the billions of their tax dollars that go to Israel instead of schools, roads, bridges, under fed American children, veterans care, etc. etc.. And about what a unpatriotic shame it is to see US politicians swear allegiance to a foreign country and vow to spend every drop of American blood and treasure for a foreign nation.

    I have lost count of how many people I have converted from for Israel or indifferent to Israel to against Israel and the US Israel relationship.

    It isn't rocket science .

    The US is learning. Over the years it has fought many wars for many reasons. Since WWII it has had increasing exposure to wars of foreign cultures, including Asia and the Middle East. At first the US was beaten badly in these conflicts, but now it is beginning to get it, tactically and strategically. Have patience.

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    At first the US was beaten badly in these conflicts, but now it is beginning to get it, tactically and strategically. Have patience
     
    .

    I don't see where the US has learned anything.....its still creating and stepping in one shit pile after another at the behest of special and foreign interest.

    Furthermore it might be a good thing if the US lost it all in the ME. Tactics and strategy don't mean jack shit in the long term.......whatever we force today will be overturned tomorrow.....says old man history.
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  • @L.K
    Renfro,

    I have not read this one, THE SIX MILLION: FACT OR FICTION?...

    Amazon actually banned the entire holohoax revisionist catalog... someone is afraid...

    I have read several excellent revisionist books but if I had to recommend just one, particularly for people new to the subject, it would be Germar Rudolf's revised ed. of 'Lectures on the Holocaust: Controversial Issues Cross Examined'. It used to be available at amazon until the recent ban.
    Download it for free @ http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/15-loth.pdf
    Very up-to-date, and covering all bases, including the tech stuff, without being too detailed for the avg person.

    Indeed, what was striking about the Amazon book-burning is that they used to sell all of these (and other) revisionist books. All of a sudden they put liberal pieties before profit? Not very likely; clearly they were ordered to do this by someone. It is amusing how Trump’s election, even though he is of one of the most obsequiously pro-Israel presidents in US history (and that’s saying something), has set off such panic in the American oligarchy.

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  • @renfro
    Interesting....I think I will download and read it.

    Saturday, January 27, 2018

    http://barnesreview.org/product/the-six-million-fact-or-fiction/

    7th Edition Released Free to Read in Response to Amazon Censorship

    I am happy to announce that the very latest edition of The Six Million: Fact or Fiction? (7th edition) has now been released free to read on the internet.

    I have taken this step in response to the decision by Amazon worldwide to ban the book from sale on that platform, in response to agitation from assorted Jewish organizations, including the ADL and Yad Vanshem.

    The Jewish organizations said in their pleas to Amazon to ban the book that the "threats against Jewish Community Centers" which were so rife in the US in 2017 were "evidence of rising anti-Semitism" and that therefore books like The Six Million: Fact or Fiction? needed to be removed from the public arena.
    As everyone now knows, the "threats against the Jewish Community Centers" all came from a Jew, Micheal Ron David Kadar, in Israel, who was only arrested after the US sent the FBI to that country, because the Israeli police had not acted against him.
    When he was arrested, it turned out he had over $250K in bitcoin, payment for the thousands of threats to Jewish centers all over the world, all very handily providing the excuse of "rising anti-Semitism" to ban books...

    Needless to say, when the US asked Israel to extradite Kadar, the request was refused.
    So it turned out that it was all a set-up, albeit one with which Amazon played along willingly.
    In reaction to this draconian and unwarranted censorship, I have waited until International Holocaust Remembrance Day, January 27, 2018, to prepare and release free on the Internet the very latest updated edition of The Six Million: Fact or Fiction?

    You can find the entire book on its own site here:
    I will also be releasing PDF and ebook versions, and soon a torrent file as well.
    The book is being released for non-commercial purposes only, so please respect that.

    But for now, read the whole book free by going to its new site here.
    If you want to support my efforts, please do consider buying a hard copy from the brave booksellers who still stock the book (click on the advertisement to the right please).
    The censors must know that we will never back down until this wall of lies collapses under its own weight. Banning books off Amazon is merely an indication of the fact that they know their claims cannot stand up to rational investigation. Now is the time to increase the pressure!

    Posted by Peter Winter at 3:41 PM

    Renfro,

    I have not read this one, THE SIX MILLION: FACT OR FICTION?…

    Amazon actually banned the entire holohoax revisionist catalog… someone is afraid…

    I have read several excellent revisionist books but if I had to recommend just one, particularly for people new to the subject, it would be Germar Rudolf’s revised ed. of ‘Lectures on the Holocaust: Controversial Issues Cross Examined’. It used to be available at amazon until the recent ban.
    Download it for free @ http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/15-loth.pdf
    Very up-to-date, and covering all bases, including the tech stuff, without being too detailed for the avg person.

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    Indeed, what was striking about the Amazon book-burning is that they used to sell all of these (and other) revisionist books. All of a sudden they put liberal pieties before profit? Not very likely; clearly they were ordered to do this by someone. It is amusing how Trump’s election, even though he is of one of the most obsequiously pro-Israel presidents in US history (and that’s saying something), has set off such panic in the American oligarchy.
    , @renfro
    I never did much research on the camps or holocaust other than many years ago I found the census records for all the countries Germany is said to have rounded up and transported Jews from.....frankly, on those figures alone I didn't see how the 6 million could be correct.

    I did a bit more on it a couple of years ago after reading some Jewish claims on mondoweiss
    Last I saw Auschwitz officially dropped the 4 million number assigned to that camp down to 1 and 1/2 million.
    That’s a reduction of 2 and 1/2 million off the Jews claimed 6 million jews killed.....so its 3 1/2 million and I don't think its even that.

    The holocaust industry hasn't sued the Auschwitz historians yet so they must have had some uncontestable evidence for the reduced number of deaths or the jews would have sued them.

    However they will always lie about it.
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  • @Anonymous
    My father could reasonably have been called a survivor of POW camps in a way that German prisoners in England could not (though some might have been called survivors of the Battle of Britain). He lost at least 70 pounds he didn't need to lose, on a camp diet!

    No doubt there is truth in what you allege about taking advantage of claimed survivorship by some individuals and by organisations but I think more nuance is better thsn none and I invite you to imagine a speaker opening with "Those of us who are Jews who were living on the Continent of Europe on 1st September 1939, though some might quibble and prefer 21st June 1941, could all literally describe ourselves as "survivors" of attempted genocide....". What should follow? How about "So we are nearly all, at least by inheritance, entitled to compete for the prize endowed by my uncle Shmuel (Sammy to his hunting mates) for the most crass, the most exploitative, fairy tale of survivorship. As a former winner who explained his wealth on the loss of all siblings to typhus or whatever and the inheritance of 5 Picassos I wish you all well in the quest for brutal honest realism or perfect fantasy".

    Give “survivor” a chance. I doubt if many Jews alive in Europe during WW2 didn’t worry about surviving the war until the Germans had been pushed back towards Germany enough to make them safe.

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    @renfro
    Do you want to apply survivor to everyone?.......should it be applied to all those non jews surviving German bombings in Europe?......all those surviving starvation in Russia? .....ally soldiers surviving the war?

    It matters in the case of the Jews because its a con job to extract more $$$ by expanding the definition of survivor .

    None of the other victims of the war got paid. None of the other prisoners in camps got reparations for surviving.

    Its a Jewish con....all about the $$$$$$.

    My father could reasonably have been called a survivor of POW camps in a way that German prisoners in England could not (though some might have been called survivors of the Battle of Britain). He lost at least 70 pounds he didn’t need to lose, on a camp diet!

    No doubt there is truth in what you allege about taking advantage of claimed survivorship by some individuals and by organisations but I think more nuance is better thsn none and I invite you to imagine a speaker opening with “Those of us who are Jews who were living on the Continent of Europe on 1st September 1939, though some might quibble and prefer 21st June 1941, could all literally describe ourselves as “survivors” of attempted genocide….”. What should follow? How about “So we are nearly all, at least by inheritance, entitled to compete for the prize endowed by my uncle Shmuel (Sammy to his hunting mates) for the most crass, the most exploitative, fairy tale of survivorship. As a former winner who explained his wealth on the loss of all siblings to typhus or whatever and the inheritance of 5 Picassos I wish you all well in the quest for brutal honest realism or perfect fantasy”.

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    Give "survivor" a chance. I doubt if many Jews alive in Europe during WW2 didn't worry about surviving the war until the Germans had been pushed back towards Germany enough to make them safe.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    CNN spin-ster Alisyn Camerotta grilled Republican candidate for Illinois’s 3rd congressional seat, Arthur Jones, accused him of being “a Nazi — you wear Nazi clothes and celebrate Hitler’s birthday. You’re a Nazi!”

    What’s worse, “You deny the holocaust!!!”

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/08/cnns_alisyn_camerota_vs_holocaust_denier_running_for_congress_in_illinois_youre_a_nazi.html

    Jones did not acquit himself that well, but god bless him, he said out loud on CNN:

    Yes, I deny the holocaust!”

    There is plenty that Camerotta said that must be countered and refuted.

    Several key concepts demand a national conversation:

    1. Is the holocaust a religious doctrine that must not be denied?
    2. If holocaust is a religious doctrine, shouldn’t it be banished from US public schools?
    3. Isn’t enforcing belief in a religious doctrine — the holocaust — explicitly forbidden by US Constitution?

    I hope an Unz columnist takes on the job of eviscerating Alisyn Camerotta and cranking up a conversation about this unwarranted enforcement of a quasi-religious holocaust dogma. — by pseudo-journalist, of all people, not even a Grand Inquisitor.

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  • @renfro

    At least we can take that as the starting point for investigation. *Could* the 1940s witnesses have mistaken it, then or in memory, for a Star of David? 100% certainly yes! (After all Colis and colleagues did!).

    And do you still not understand that the issue was whether errors may have been made by 1940s witnesses?
     
    Please, for gawds sake.....whether errors were made by 1940 witnesses or not has zero to do with Colis claiming the tile she found was a star of david. What the hell do you want to investigate?... its already been proven it was the trademark of the tile maker.

    Its typical Jewish centrictness ...oh look, I found a bone it must be jewish!....oh look, I found a piece of cloth, it must be jewish!......oh look, I found a book, there must have been jews here!

    Exactly. Any Jew who died in Europe during the war, of whatever cause, was “killed” by the Germans.

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    Any Jew who died in Europe during the war, of whatever cause, was “killed” by the Germans
     
    Not only Jews btw... all excess deaths in the Soviet Union during the war, a war the Stalinist regime was heavily responsible for, are pinned on NS Germany.

    Vae victis!
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  • @Anonymous
    Stop digging, especially when you aren't even in a trench with a way out. Have you forgotten already that it wasn't Colis but me that you branded an idiot? And do you still not understand that the issue was whether errors may have been made by 1940s witnesses?

    At least we can take that as the starting point for investigation. *Could* the 1940s witnesses have mistaken it, then or in memory, for a Star of David? 100% certainly yes! (After all Colis and colleagues did!).

    And do you still not understand that the issue was whether errors may have been made by 1940s witnesses?

    Please, for gawds sake…..whether errors were made by 1940 witnesses or not has zero to do with Colis claiming the tile she found was a star of david. What the hell do you want to investigate?… its already been proven it was the trademark of the tile maker.

    Its typical Jewish centrictness …oh look, I found a bone it must be jewish!….oh look, I found a piece of cloth, it must be jewish!……oh look, I found a book, there must have been jews here!

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    Exactly. Any Jew who died in Europe during the war, of whatever cause, was “killed” by the Germans.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Fair enough to note that survival connotes survival of something dangerous or otherwise bad but why does that have to be in a camp? If Freud hadn't left for London in good time but had hidden in a Vienna attic till 1945 wouldn't it be reasonable to call him a survivor?

    Do you want to apply survivor to everyone?…….should it be applied to all those non jews surviving German bombings in Europe?……all those surviving starvation in Russia? …..ally soldiers surviving the war?

    It matters in the case of the Jews because its a con job to extract more $$$ by expanding the definition of survivor .

    None of the other victims of the war got paid. None of the other prisoners in camps got reparations for surviving.

    Its a Jewish con….all about the $$$$$$.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    My father could reasonably have been called a survivor of POW camps in a way that German prisoners in England could not (though some might have been called survivors of the Battle of Britain). He lost at least 70 pounds he didn't need to lose, on a camp diet!

    No doubt there is truth in what you allege about taking advantage of claimed survivorship by some individuals and by organisations but I think more nuance is better thsn none and I invite you to imagine a speaker opening with "Those of us who are Jews who were living on the Continent of Europe on 1st September 1939, though some might quibble and prefer 21st June 1941, could all literally describe ourselves as "survivors" of attempted genocide....". What should follow? How about "So we are nearly all, at least by inheritance, entitled to compete for the prize endowed by my uncle Shmuel (Sammy to his hunting mates) for the most crass, the most exploitative, fairy tale of survivorship. As a former winner who explained his wealth on the loss of all siblings to typhus or whatever and the inheritance of 5 Picassos I wish you all well in the quest for brutal honest realism or perfect fantasy".

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  • @Mike Garrett
    Secular Jews use the Bible as a template, a list of things that in the long run weaken a people. Then they promote those activities so that they can make a killing when this society, run by its enemies, crashes. Americans are under the impression that their vague, ephemeral, magical Christianity forces them to accept the Jews as their predecessors, but the catch is that almost all of the Jews they encounter are hard-core secularists, atheists. I once took the complete Ulpan program in Israel, the state program for immigrants to learn modern Hebrew. Of the twenty students in the class three of us admitted to believing in God. All of the rest of the class had recently arrived from the Soviet Union as it was going down, and every one of them said over and over: "I do not believe in God at all; Judaism is not my religion; it is my race." The funny thing about this silly statement is that the whole lot of them obviously carried very very few, if any, ancient Hebrew, Semitic genes. They were obviously a bunch of Khazars whose ancestors had converted and had few racial ties to the ancient Hebrew people.

    You are right in supposing that those Russian Jews are only about half Semitic in ancient ancestry but why are you content to leave that almost nonsensical Khazar story unexamined. How come they speak a German dialect for starters?

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally
    You are dodging as usual we see.
    See the sources in the links that I gave.
    Science galore.
    And you are a Zionist Jew. Not exactly the most honest people in the world, which the 'holocaust' fraud reveals.
    See the 'holocaust' scam easily & thoroughly debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
    Science, rational thought, & logic simply demolish the 'holocaust' storyline. And that's why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it. Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.

    "Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."

    - Gerard Menuhin / a righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist
     

    You seem to be replying here to a different Anonymous who has now switched back to Anon after making the same deadly point as I. You are no scientist and run away from any testing argument even when you have raised it yourself as in the case of the LA stadium capacity.
    Why did you think he/she was a Jew, and specifically a Zionist Jew BTW?

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  • @renfro
    One last thing. The Red Cross records say 52,000 Jew were liberated from camps.
    However the Holocaust industry defines a 'survivor' as any Jew who fled or hid out or was living in a country controlled by Germany or was living in any country that had restrictions on Jews during the war.
    Several years ago they sued a SA country...I want to say it was Argentina but cant remember for certain.....because Jews there were restricted from gathering in public parks , movie theaters and etc. . The country claimed that it was because Jews might be targets for violence and that the public might be endangered. As said I cant remember for sure what country it was but they ended up paying money to the Holocaust committee anyway.

    IMO if they weren't in a German camp they aren't actual survivors.

    Fair enough to note that survival connotes survival of something dangerous or otherwise bad but why does that have to be in a camp? If Freud hadn’t left for London in good time but had hidden in a Vienna attic till 1945 wouldn’t it be reasonable to call him a survivor?

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    Do you want to apply survivor to everyone?.......should it be applied to all those non jews surviving German bombings in Europe?......all those surviving starvation in Russia? .....ally soldiers surviving the war?

    It matters in the case of the Jews because its a con job to extract more $$$ by expanding the definition of survivor .

    None of the other victims of the war got paid. None of the other prisoners in camps got reparations for surviving.

    Its a Jewish con....all about the $$$$$$.

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  • @Wally
    You are dodging as usual we see.
    See the sources in the links that I gave.
    Science galore.
    And you are a Zionist Jew. Not exactly the most honest people in the world, which the 'holocaust' fraud reveals.
    See the 'holocaust' scam easily & thoroughly debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
    Science, rational thought, & logic simply demolish the 'holocaust' storyline. And that's why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it. Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.

    "Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."

    - Gerard Menuhin / a righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist
     

    Why are you trying to wriggle out of something you started? It was you that mentioned the capacity of a sports stadium as if it mattered to your case.

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  • @Anon
    So not a scientist? If you’re not a scientist, then why should anyone believe you actually understand any of what you post that’s scientific? Ever heard of confirmation bias?

    Well said.

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  • @renfro
    This is what you said in response to the article revealing the Colis claim to be the one who ...''lack all proper habits for scholarly or cognitively demanding professional work''.

    So who's the idiot among us....Colis for being the sloppy, unprofessional one who wanted to think it was a star of david?....or me for believing what the maker of the tile says about the star trademark?.....or you for trying to defend/deflect from it with this pitiful offering...." Colis was the last word on error and failed to see that those who reported seeing things in the 1940s might have been in error – about facts supposedly remembered, or their interpretation. Yes it was a trademark. At least we can take that as the starting point for investigation. *Could* the 1940s witnesses have mistaken it, then or in memory, for a Star of David?''

    It doesn't matter what some saw and took as their star of david in the 1940's....THIS is about what Colis CLAIMED.....with .. no proper habits for scholarly or cognitively demanding professional work'......just jumping up and yelling she had found star of david tiles.

    I will retract my calling you an idiot however.

    Stop digging, especially when you aren’t even in a trench with a way out. Have you forgotten already that it wasn’t Colis but me that you branded an idiot? And do you still not understand that the issue was whether errors may have been made by 1940s witnesses?

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    At least we can take that as the starting point for investigation. *Could* the 1940s witnesses have mistaken it, then or in memory, for a Star of David? 100% certainly yes! (After all Colis and colleagues did!).

    And do you still not understand that the issue was whether errors may have been made by 1940s witnesses?
     
    Please, for gawds sake.....whether errors were made by 1940 witnesses or not has zero to do with Colis claiming the tile she found was a star of david. What the hell do you want to investigate?... its already been proven it was the trademark of the tile maker.

    Its typical Jewish centrictness ...oh look, I found a bone it must be jewish!....oh look, I found a piece of cloth, it must be jewish!......oh look, I found a book, there must have been jews here!
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  • @Talha
    Wow - excellent reference!!! Will share!

    yes indeed…pass it on to all you know!!

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  • @renfro
    Well this trillion is not in question and this was in 2002---now its probably inching toward 2 trillion in Israel cost.

    Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US

    By David R. Francis, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor December 9, 2002
    https://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html


    Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person.

    This is an estimate by Thomas Stauffer, a consulting economist in Washington. For decades, his analyses of the Middle East scene have made him a frequent thorn in the side of the Israel lobby.
    For the first time in many years, Mr. Stauffer has tallied the total cost to the US of its backing of Israel in its drawn-out, violent dispute with the Palestinians. So far, he figures, the bill adds up to more than twice the cost of the Vietnam War.

    And now Israel wants more. In a meeting at the White House late last month, Israeli officials made a pitch for $4 billion in additional military aid to defray the rising costs of dealing with the intifada and suicide bombings. They also asked for more than $8 billion in loan guarantees to help the country's recession-bound economy.

    Considering Israel's deep economic troubles, Stauffer doubts the Israel bonds covered by the loan guarantees will ever be repaid. The bonds are likely to be structured so they don't pay interest until they reach maturity. If Stauffer is right, the US would end up paying both principal and interest, perhaps 10 years out.

    Israel's request could be part of a supplemental spending bill that's likely to be passed early next year, perhaps wrapped in with the cost of a war with Iraq.
    Israel is the largest recipient of US foreign aid. It is already due to get $2.04 billion in military assistance and $720 million in economic aid in fiscal 2003. It has been getting $3 billion a year for years.

    Adjusting the official aid to 2001 dollars in purchasing power, Israel has been given $240 billion since 1973, Stauffer reckons. In addition, the US has given Egypt $117 billion and Jordan $22 billion in foreign aid in return for signing peace treaties with Israel.

    "Consequently, politically, if not administratively, those outlays are part of the total package of support for Israel," argues Stauffer in a lecture on the total costs of US Middle East policy, commissioned by the US Army War College, for a recent conference at the University of Maine.

    These foreign-aid costs are well known. Many Americans would probably say it is money well spent to support a beleagured democracy of some strategic interest. But Stauffer wonders if Americans are aware of the full bill for supporting Israel since some costs, if not hidden, are little known.

    One huge cost is not secret. It is the higher cost of oil and other economic damage to the US after Israel-Arab wars.
    In 1973, for instance, Arab nations attacked Israel in an attempt to win back territories Israel had conquered in the 1967 war. President Nixon resupplied Israel with US arms, triggering the Arab oil embargo against the US.

    That shortfall in oil deliveries kicked off a deep recession. The US lost $420 billion (in 2001 dollars) of output as a result, Stauffer calculates. And a boost in oil prices cost another $450 billion.
    Afraid that Arab nations might use their oil clout again, the US set up a Strategic Petroleum Reserve. That has since cost, conservatively, $134 billion, Stauffer reckons.

    Other US help includes:

    • US Jewish charities and organizations have remitted grants or bought Israel bonds worth $50 billion to $60 billion. Though private in origin, the money is "a net drain" on the United States economy, says Stauffer.

    • The US has already guaranteed $10 billion in commercial loans to Israel, and $600 million in "housing loans." (See editor's note below.) Stauffer expects the US Treasury to cover these.

    • The US has given $2.5 billion to support Israel's Lavi fighter and Arrow missile projects.

    • Israel buys discounted, serviceable "excess" US military equipment. Stauffer says these discounts amount to "several billion dollars" over recent years.

    • Israel uses roughly 40 percent of its $1.8 billion per year in military aid, ostensibly earmarked for purchase of US weapons, to buy Israeli-made hardware. It also has won the right to require the Defense Department or US defense contractors to buy Israeli-made equipment or subsystems, paying 50 to 60 cents on every defense dollar the US gives to Israel.

    US help, financial and technical, has enabled Israel to become a major weapons supplier. Weapons make up almost half of Israel's manufactured exports. US defense contractors often resent the buy-Israel requirements and the extra competition subsidized by US taxpayers.

    • US policy and trade sanctions reduce US exports to the Middle East about $5 billion a year, costing 70,000 or so American jobs, Stauffer estimates. Not requiring Israel to use its US aid to buy American goods, as is usual in foreign aid, costs another 125,000 jobs.
    • Israel has blocked some major US arms sales, such as F-15 fighter aircraft to Saudi Arabia in the mid-1980s. That cost $40 billion over 10 years, says Stauffer.

    Stauffer's list will be controversial. He's been assisted in this research by a number of mostly retired military or diplomatic officials who do not go public for fear of being labeled anti-Semitic if they criticize America's policies toward Israel.

    Wow – excellent reference!!! Will share!

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    yes indeed...pass it on to all you know!!
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  • @biz
    Love it!

    It's so true - the same people who claim that six million holocaust victims is impossible have no upper limit on the number of Stalin's victims that they will claim! 30 million? 60 million? 100 million? I've seen them all.

    (They also have no upper limit on the dollar amount of US aid to Israel that they'll claim. 50 billion? A trillion? I've seen it all.)

    Well this trillion is not in question and this was in 2002—now its probably inching toward 2 trillion in Israel cost.

    Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US

    By David R. Francis, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor December 9, 2002

    https://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html

    Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today’s population, that is more than $5,700 per person.

    [MORE]

    This is an estimate by Thomas Stauffer, a consulting economist in Washington. For decades, his analyses of the Middle East scene have made him a frequent thorn in the side of the Israel lobby.
    For the first time in many years, Mr. Stauffer has tallied the total cost to the US of its backing of Israel in its drawn-out, violent dispute with the Palestinians. So far, he figures, the bill adds up to more than twice the cost of the Vietnam War.

    And now Israel wants more. In a meeting at the White House late last month, Israeli officials made a pitch for $4 billion in additional military aid to defray the rising costs of dealing with the intifada and suicide bombings. They also asked for more than $8 billion in loan guarantees to help the country’s recession-bound economy.

    Considering Israel’s deep economic troubles, Stauffer doubts the Israel bonds covered by the loan guarantees will ever be repaid. The bonds are likely to be structured so they don’t pay interest until they reach maturity. If Stauffer is right, the US would end up paying both principal and interest, perhaps 10 years out.

    Israel’s request could be part of a supplemental spending bill that’s likely to be passed early next year, perhaps wrapped in with the cost of a war with Iraq.
    Israel is the largest recipient of US foreign aid. It is already due to get $2.04 billion in military assistance and $720 million in economic aid in fiscal 2003. It has been getting $3 billion a year for years.

    Adjusting the official aid to 2001 dollars in purchasing power, Israel has been given $240 billion since 1973, Stauffer reckons. In addition, the US has given Egypt $117 billion and Jordan $22 billion in foreign aid in return for signing peace treaties with Israel.

    “Consequently, politically, if not administratively, those outlays are part of the total package of support for Israel,” argues Stauffer in a lecture on the total costs of US Middle East policy, commissioned by the US Army War College, for a recent conference at the University of Maine.

    These foreign-aid costs are well known. Many Americans would probably say it is money well spent to support a beleagured democracy of some strategic interest. But Stauffer wonders if Americans are aware of the full bill for supporting Israel since some costs, if not hidden, are little known.

    One huge cost is not secret. It is the higher cost of oil and other economic damage to the US after Israel-Arab wars.
    In 1973, for instance, Arab nations attacked Israel in an attempt to win back territories Israel had conquered in the 1967 war. President Nixon resupplied Israel with US arms, triggering the Arab oil embargo against the US.

    That shortfall in oil deliveries kicked off a deep recession. The US lost $420 billion (in 2001 dollars) of output as a result, Stauffer calculates. And a boost in oil prices cost another $450 billion.
    Afraid that Arab nations might use their oil clout again, the US set up a Strategic Petroleum Reserve. That has since cost, conservatively, $134 billion, Stauffer reckons.

    Other US help includes:

    • US Jewish charities and organizations have remitted grants or bought Israel bonds worth $50 billion to $60 billion. Though private in origin, the money is “a net drain” on the United States economy, says Stauffer.

    • The US has already guaranteed $10 billion in commercial loans to Israel, and $600 million in “housing loans.” (See editor’s note below.) Stauffer expects the US Treasury to cover these.

    • The US has given $2.5 billion to support Israel’s Lavi fighter and Arrow missile projects.

    • Israel buys discounted, serviceable “excess” US military equipment. Stauffer says these discounts amount to “several billion dollars” over recent years.

    • Israel uses roughly 40 percent of its $1.8 billion per year in military aid, ostensibly earmarked for purchase of US weapons, to buy Israeli-made hardware. It also has won the right to require the Defense Department or US defense contractors to buy Israeli-made equipment or subsystems, paying 50 to 60 cents on every defense dollar the US gives to Israel.

    US help, financial and technical, has enabled Israel to become a major weapons supplier. Weapons make up almost half of Israel’s manufactured exports. US defense contractors often resent the buy-Israel requirements and the extra competition subsidized by US taxpayers.

    • US policy and trade sanctions reduce US exports to the Middle East about $5 billion a year, costing 70,000 or so American jobs, Stauffer estimates. Not requiring Israel to use its US aid to buy American goods, as is usual in foreign aid, costs another 125,000 jobs.
    • Israel has blocked some major US arms sales, such as F-15 fighter aircraft to Saudi Arabia in the mid-1980s. That cost $40 billion over 10 years, says Stauffer.

    Stauffer’s list will be controversial. He’s been assisted in this research by a number of mostly retired military or diplomatic officials who do not go public for fear of being labeled anti-Semitic if they criticize America’s policies toward Israel.

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    Wow - excellent reference!!! Will share!
    , @biz
    Haha ok, if you take the annual US aid to Israel, then add in the aid to some other countries, then integrate over 50 years, and then normalize by some CPI factor you can get to a trillion. So when people here claim that annual US aid to Israel is a trillion dollars they aren't bullshitting. My bad, lol.

    Likewise I could take the deaths that Stalin was responsible for, add in the deaths that Mao and Pol Pot were responsible for, then normalize by the ratio of the population of the world now to the population of the world then and get up to Stalin being responsible for over 200 million deaths! Or I could take the Jewish holocaust (I know, I know, it didn't happen, but humor me) of 6 million, throw in a bunch of other deaths from WW2, adjust for the difference in the world population then vs. now, and get it up to 100 million! Damn this game is fun.
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  • @Wally
    You are dodging as usual we see.
    See the sources in the links that I gave.
    Science galore.
    And you are a Zionist Jew. Not exactly the most honest people in the world, which the 'holocaust' fraud reveals.
    See the 'holocaust' scam easily & thoroughly debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
    Science, rational thought, & logic simply demolish the 'holocaust' storyline. And that's why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it. Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.

    "Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."

    - Gerard Menuhin / a righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist
     

    So not a scientist? If you’re not a scientist, then why should anyone believe you actually understand any of what you post that’s scientific? Ever heard of confirmation bias?

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    Well said.
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  • @Anonymous
    Are you a scientist?

    You are dodging as usual we see.
    See the sources in the links that I gave.
    Science galore.
    And you are a Zionist Jew. Not exactly the most honest people in the world, which the ‘holocaust’ fraud reveals.
    See the ‘holocaust’ scam easily & thoroughly debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    Science, rational thought, & logic simply demolish the ‘holocaust’ storyline. And that’s why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it. Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”

    - Gerard Menuhin / a righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

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    So not a scientist? If you’re not a scientist, then why should anyone believe you actually understand any of what you post that’s scientific? Ever heard of confirmation bias?
    , @Anonymous
    Why are you trying to wriggle out of something you started? It was you that mentioned the capacity of a sports stadium as if it mattered to your case.
    , @Anonymous
    You seem to be replying here to a different Anonymous who has now switched back to Anon after making the same deadly point as I. You are no scientist and run away from any testing argument even when you have raised it yourself as in the case of the LA stadium capacity.
    Why did you think he/she was a Jew, and specifically a Zionist Jew BTW?
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  • @Colleen Pater
    where do you get zionism from 1917? ,oh of course well ((( Jules Dykstra))) for the rest of the world 1917 doesn't bring zionisms false start to mind, it brings to mind the year the jews murdered the russian nobility and began a 100 year campaign of fomenting commi revolutions throughout the rest of the west starting in germany which eventually caused their little setback in auschwitz and 1000s of millions of white lives lost over the century due to commie jews

    1000s of millions of white lives lost over the century

    Billions of white lives lost??? Are there even billions of whites in the world?

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    ok typo police ( is there a lower form of faggtry?) there are aproximately a billion of us, had not the leftist revolutions , world wars and neocon wars happened there would no doubt be another billion. had we instead 100 years come to understand that raising the lower races up was a fools errand and instead recognized evolution had revealed the universe was our for the taking and we had instead relegated the lower races to wildlife preserves of the cultural /technological states we first found them. their would be billions more of us, without the trillions in treasure and worse cognitin we have wasted on the stupid diversity movement we could by now have moved mars into near earth orbit and terraformed it.
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  • @Grahamsno(G64)
    "The Soviet government killed at least 30 million people, most in the first 25 years of the regime’s existence during the height of Jewish power"

    And then they lost another 27 million to the greatest military around at that time the Wehrmacht and still won the war - ROFL did they train Horses to fight the Germans? The number is complete rubbish no body can lose 57 Million people and win a war unless they have a population of a billion.

    Now it gets interesting I am going to play the same game Holocaust deniers here play on the numbers - 30 million number - where is the proof that the govt was murdering 1,200,000 of its citizens every year for 25 years which is 37.5% more bodies per year than the Americans lost during the entire civil war or 3,287 murders per day for 25 years. Where are the mass graves? Forensic examination of the corpses? Documentation? And since I am both playing the game and asking a serious question - no eyewitness testimony is admissible, no survivor testimony, any evidence brought out during Kruschev's denunciation of Stalin will be considered politically motivated and fake,

    Go ahead I am waiting for evidence for this fabulous Jewish inspired Holocaust of 30 million.

    Hehehe

    Love it!

    It’s so true – the same people who claim that six million holocaust victims is impossible have no upper limit on the number of Stalin’s victims that they will claim! 30 million? 60 million? 100 million? I’ve seen them all.

    (They also have no upper limit on the dollar amount of US aid to Israel that they’ll claim. 50 billion? A trillion? I’ve seen it all.)

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    • Replies: @renfro
    Well this trillion is not in question and this was in 2002---now its probably inching toward 2 trillion in Israel cost.

    Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US

    By David R. Francis, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor December 9, 2002
    https://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html


    Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person.

    This is an estimate by Thomas Stauffer, a consulting economist in Washington. For decades, his analyses of the Middle East scene have made him a frequent thorn in the side of the Israel lobby.
    For the first time in many years, Mr. Stauffer has tallied the total cost to the US of its backing of Israel in its drawn-out, violent dispute with the Palestinians. So far, he figures, the bill adds up to more than twice the cost of the Vietnam War.

    And now Israel wants more. In a meeting at the White House late last month, Israeli officials made a pitch for $4 billion in additional military aid to defray the rising costs of dealing with the intifada and suicide bombings. They also asked for more than $8 billion in loan guarantees to help the country's recession-bound economy.

    Considering Israel's deep economic troubles, Stauffer doubts the Israel bonds covered by the loan guarantees will ever be repaid. The bonds are likely to be structured so they don't pay interest until they reach maturity. If Stauffer is right, the US would end up paying both principal and interest, perhaps 10 years out.

    Israel's request could be part of a supplemental spending bill that's likely to be passed early next year, perhaps wrapped in with the cost of a war with Iraq.
    Israel is the largest recipient of US foreign aid. It is already due to get $2.04 billion in military assistance and $720 million in economic aid in fiscal 2003. It has been getting $3 billion a year for years.

    Adjusting the official aid to 2001 dollars in purchasing power, Israel has been given $240 billion since 1973, Stauffer reckons. In addition, the US has given Egypt $117 billion and Jordan $22 billion in foreign aid in return for signing peace treaties with Israel.

    "Consequently, politically, if not administratively, those outlays are part of the total package of support for Israel," argues Stauffer in a lecture on the total costs of US Middle East policy, commissioned by the US Army War College, for a recent conference at the University of Maine.

    These foreign-aid costs are well known. Many Americans would probably say it is money well spent to support a beleagured democracy of some strategic interest. But Stauffer wonders if Americans are aware of the full bill for supporting Israel since some costs, if not hidden, are little known.

    One huge cost is not secret. It is the higher cost of oil and other economic damage to the US after Israel-Arab wars.
    In 1973, for instance, Arab nations attacked Israel in an attempt to win back territories Israel had conquered in the 1967 war. President Nixon resupplied Israel with US arms, triggering the Arab oil embargo against the US.

    That shortfall in oil deliveries kicked off a deep recession. The US lost $420 billion (in 2001 dollars) of output as a result, Stauffer calculates. And a boost in oil prices cost another $450 billion.
    Afraid that Arab nations might use their oil clout again, the US set up a Strategic Petroleum Reserve. That has since cost, conservatively, $134 billion, Stauffer reckons.

    Other US help includes:

    • US Jewish charities and organizations have remitted grants or bought Israel bonds worth $50 billion to $60 billion. Though private in origin, the money is "a net drain" on the United States economy, says Stauffer.

    • The US has already guaranteed $10 billion in commercial loans to Israel, and $600 million in "housing loans." (See editor's note below.) Stauffer expects the US Treasury to cover these.

    • The US has given $2.5 billion to support Israel's Lavi fighter and Arrow missile projects.

    • Israel buys discounted, serviceable "excess" US military equipment. Stauffer says these discounts amount to "several billion dollars" over recent years.

    • Israel uses roughly 40 percent of its $1.8 billion per year in military aid, ostensibly earmarked for purchase of US weapons, to buy Israeli-made hardware. It also has won the right to require the Defense Department or US defense contractors to buy Israeli-made equipment or subsystems, paying 50 to 60 cents on every defense dollar the US gives to Israel.

    US help, financial and technical, has enabled Israel to become a major weapons supplier. Weapons make up almost half of Israel's manufactured exports. US defense contractors often resent the buy-Israel requirements and the extra competition subsidized by US taxpayers.

    • US policy and trade sanctions reduce US exports to the Middle East about $5 billion a year, costing 70,000 or so American jobs, Stauffer estimates. Not requiring Israel to use its US aid to buy American goods, as is usual in foreign aid, costs another 125,000 jobs.
    • Israel has blocked some major US arms sales, such as F-15 fighter aircraft to Saudi Arabia in the mid-1980s. That cost $40 billion over 10 years, says Stauffer.

    Stauffer's list will be controversial. He's been assisted in this research by a number of mostly retired military or diplomatic officials who do not go public for fear of being labeled anti-Semitic if they criticize America's policies toward Israel.
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  • @Wally
    What you talk about is laughable anti-science, easily debunked Zionist nonsense.

    That's all covered at the CODOH Forum in spades, ex.:
    https://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=cremation+fuel&fid%5B0%5D=2

    https://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=cremation+rates&fid%5B0%5D=2


    Science, rational thought, & logic simply demolish the 'holocaust' storyline.
    And that's why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it.
    Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.
     
    See the 'holocaust' scam easily & thoroughly debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:F
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Are you a scientist?

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    You are dodging as usual we see.
    See the sources in the links that I gave.
    Science galore.
    And you are a Zionist Jew. Not exactly the most honest people in the world, which the 'holocaust' fraud reveals.
    See the 'holocaust' scam easily & thoroughly debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
    Science, rational thought, & logic simply demolish the 'holocaust' storyline. And that's why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it. Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.

    "Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."

    - Gerard Menuhin / a righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist
     

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  • @Anonymous
    continued from previous comment which was kidnapped by software glitch.....

    Say 60 per cent is water so you have about 17,000 tons to be largely consumed by fire after a few months rotting where originall dumped. Fat burns easily and muscle quite readily. Bones take longer no doubt. I wonder what need there is for your forest if you start the bodies burning with liquid fuel and pile them up so that there is plenty of oxygen drawn through the pyre. I await the serious contribution of someone with appropriate scientific and engineering knowledge to take it further.

    What you talk about is laughable anti-science, easily debunked Zionist nonsense.

    That’s all covered at the CODOH Forum in spades, ex.:

    https://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=cremation+fuel&fid%5B0%5D=2

    https://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=cremation+rates&fid%5B0%5D=2

    Science, rational thought, & logic simply demolish the ‘holocaust’ storyline.
    And that’s why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it.
    Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.

    See the ‘holocaust’ scam easily & thoroughly debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:F

    http://forum.codoh.com

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  • One last thing. The Red Cross records say 52,000 Jew were liberated from camps.
    However the Holocaust industry defines a ‘survivor’ as any Jew who fled or hid out or was living in a country controlled by Germany or was living in any country that had restrictions on Jews during the war.
    Several years ago they sued a SA country…I want to say it was Argentina but cant remember for certain…..because Jews there were restricted from gathering in public parks , movie theaters and etc. . The country claimed that it was because Jews might be targets for violence and that the public might be endangered. As said I cant remember for sure what country it was but they ended up paying money to the Holocaust committee anyway.

    IMO if they weren’t in a German camp they aren’t actual survivors.

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    Fair enough to note that survival connotes survival of something dangerous or otherwise bad but why does that have to be in a camp? If Freud hadn't left for London in good time but had hidden in a Vienna attic till 1945 wouldn't it be reasonable to call him a survivor?
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  • I think we can all agree with Sherman’s…..’War is hell”.

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  • @renfro
    Interesting....I think I will download and read it.

    Saturday, January 27, 2018

    http://barnesreview.org/product/the-six-million-fact-or-fiction/

    7th Edition Released Free to Read in Response to Amazon Censorship

    I am happy to announce that the very latest edition of The Six Million: Fact or Fiction? (7th edition) has now been released free to read on the internet.

    I have taken this step in response to the decision by Amazon worldwide to ban the book from sale on that platform, in response to agitation from assorted Jewish organizations, including the ADL and Yad Vanshem.

    The Jewish organizations said in their pleas to Amazon to ban the book that the "threats against Jewish Community Centers" which were so rife in the US in 2017 were "evidence of rising anti-Semitism" and that therefore books like The Six Million: Fact or Fiction? needed to be removed from the public arena.
    As everyone now knows, the "threats against the Jewish Community Centers" all came from a Jew, Micheal Ron David Kadar, in Israel, who was only arrested after the US sent the FBI to that country, because the Israeli police had not acted against him.
    When he was arrested, it turned out he had over $250K in bitcoin, payment for the thousands of threats to Jewish centers all over the world, all very handily providing the excuse of "rising anti-Semitism" to ban books...

    Needless to say, when the US asked Israel to extradite Kadar, the request was refused.
    So it turned out that it was all a set-up, albeit one with which Amazon played along willingly.
    In reaction to this draconian and unwarranted censorship, I have waited until International Holocaust Remembrance Day, January 27, 2018, to prepare and release free on the Internet the very latest updated edition of The Six Million: Fact or Fiction?

    You can find the entire book on its own site here:
    I will also be releasing PDF and ebook versions, and soon a torrent file as well.
    The book is being released for non-commercial purposes only, so please respect that.

    But for now, read the whole book free by going to its new site here.
    If you want to support my efforts, please do consider buying a hard copy from the brave booksellers who still stock the book (click on the advertisement to the right please).
    The censors must know that we will never back down until this wall of lies collapses under its own weight. Banning books off Amazon is merely an indication of the fact that they know their claims cannot stand up to rational investigation. Now is the time to increase the pressure!

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  • @renfro
    What the Japanese did to POWs was way worse than what nazis did to Jews and others prisoners.


    ''A trooper of the 3rd Hussars, being beaten by a guard with a rifle, raised an arm to ward off blows and was accused of having struck the man. After several days of beatings, he was tied to a tree and bayoneted to death.
    An officer of the Gordons who protested against sick men being forced to work was also tied to a tree, beneath which guards lit a fire and burnt him like some Christian martyr

    Japanese moral indignation caused many US aircrew captured in 1944-45 to be treated as "war criminals". Eight B-29 crewmen were killed by un-anaesthetised vivisection carried out in front of medical students at a hospital. Their stomachs, hearts, lungs and brain segments were removed.
    Half a century later, one doctor present said: "There was no debate among the doctors about whether to do the operations - that was what made it so strange."

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-482589/Beheaded-whim-worked-death-Japans-repugnant-treatment-Allied-PoWs.html#ixzz56OFGO4b6
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    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_03/039japanbeheading_468x620.jpg

    And the slaughter committed by psychotic Bolsheviks should not be forgotten:

    http://crazzfiles.com/talmudic-terror-and-torture/

    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Rozaliia_Zemliachka

    Katyn forest massacre:

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  • @jilles dykstra
    Nonsense, of course.
    The British Secretary for India, a jew, was against the 1917 Balfour Declaration, he saw zionism as an insult to assimilated jews like himself.
    Until Israel was established in 1948 there were all over the world many anti zionist jewish organisations.
    But in 1948 they all dissolved themselves.

    where do you get zionism from 1917? ,oh of course well ((( Jules Dykstra))) for the rest of the world 1917 doesn’t bring zionisms false start to mind, it brings to mind the year the jews murdered the russian nobility and began a 100 year campaign of fomenting commi revolutions throughout the rest of the west starting in germany which eventually caused their little setback in auschwitz and 1000s of millions of white lives lost over the century due to commie jews

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    1000s of millions of white lives lost over the century
     
    Billions of white lives lost??? Are there even billions of whites in the world?
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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    Except that is claimed at the AR camps, all those bodies were FIRST buried, before being exhumed and burned.

    AR camps? By whicg you mean? Is your point to say the numbers are too great foor any such calculation as I started on?

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  • @jilles dykstra
    Never heard about this removing of organs while being alive.
    'My boys do not take prisoners', a USA Pacific commander said to Lindbergh
    Charles A. Lindbergh, ´The Wartime Journals of Charles A. Lindbergh’, New York, 1970
    Then there is
    Mark R. Peattie, ‘Nan’yõ, The Rise and Fall of the Japanese in Micronesia, 1885 – 1945’, Honolulu, 1988, 1992
    large scale suicide by civilians, women with their children, as the USA force approached, with their flame throwers.

    The Japanese bio-weapons division, Unit 731 in Manchuria, is said to have done these things to Russians and Chinese. I’m skeptical about the claims against US airmen, but the horrors in Manchuria seem real. (Needless to say all of these scientists went to work for the US after the war.)

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  • @Anonymous
    Well I do think it worth bringing up such facts as the capacity of a large stadium to enliven the thinking of people who are not willing to spend endless time on dubious websites. I am very familiar with a stadium that cam seat over 100,000 people. However, as I try to use that fact I now take off with say 800,000 × 115 pounds which gives over 41,000 long tons of protein, fat, water and bone.

    Except that is claimed at the AR camps, all those bodies were FIRST buried, before being exhumed and burned.

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    AR camps? By whicg you mean? Is your point to say the numbers are too great foor any such calculation as I started on?
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Ehrenburg may have advocated rape, never read this, but he did advocate murder 'tötet, tötet, tötet'.
    What is 'kill, kill, kill'.
    And this is what the Red Army did, planes even shot up convoys of fleeing civilians.

    I’m afraid it wasn’t just the Soviet air force which shot up civilians. I have heard plausibly of British and American fighter pilots shooting up passenget trains full of civilians at least some of it deliberately without discrimination. It is easy to imagine plenty of revenge attacks e.g. by someone whose mother had been killed in Kent or Sussex by Germans returning from an intended raid on London with plenty of firepower unused.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro
    US POWs in Japan.Odd how all we hear about the Jews.

    http://www.us-japandialogueonpows.org/essays/Santotomas%20two.jpg

    These were men who, presumptively, by Japanese standards had forfeited all rights and respect by being captured. But Buchenwald and Belsen prisoners had no reason to expect the same attitudes from Western Europeans, especially when their physical condition showed no sign of any deprivation. (See the films of e.g. SS guards disposing of bodies and lining up to face the live sndcdead victims with the equally healthy looking civilians who had been made to view the camps). Mind you my uncle who had been in a POW camp in Brunswick and had been up to 210 pounds before the war (and had rowed at 176 pounds) was somewhere about 120 pounds, maybe less, when released in 1945.

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  • @jilles dykstra
    The concentration camps were in Poland.
    Death camp is an assertion.
    But Poles did murder jews, as did Lithuanians.
    Jan T. Gross, ‘Neighbours, The Destruction of the Jewish Community in Jedwabne, Poland, 1941’, 2003, London

    Gross is not a historian. He’s a sociologist/fantasist who was proved to be lying many times.

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  • @renfro
    What the Japanese did to POWs was way worse than what nazis did to Jews and others prisoners.


    ''A trooper of the 3rd Hussars, being beaten by a guard with a rifle, raised an arm to ward off blows and was accused of having struck the man. After several days of beatings, he was tied to a tree and bayoneted to death.
    An officer of the Gordons who protested against sick men being forced to work was also tied to a tree, beneath which guards lit a fire and burnt him like some Christian martyr

    Japanese moral indignation caused many US aircrew captured in 1944-45 to be treated as "war criminals". Eight B-29 crewmen were killed by un-anaesthetised vivisection carried out in front of medical students at a hospital. Their stomachs, hearts, lungs and brain segments were removed.
    Half a century later, one doctor present said: "There was no debate among the doctors about whether to do the operations - that was what made it so strange."

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-482589/Beheaded-whim-worked-death-Japans-repugnant-treatment-Allied-PoWs.html#ixzz56OFGO4b6
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    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_03/039japanbeheading_468x620.jpg

    Horrific. We should not have forgotten these men the way it seems we have.

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  • @Anonymous

    The primary intellectual and moral background of Neocon Jews is Marxism, most specifically Trotskyism.

    And it wedded easily, naturally, almost perfectly, to WASP globalist imperialism, which at least tripled its power globally.

    You cannot solve the ‘Jewish problem’ without also solving the ‘WASP problem.’
     

    WASP power was not based on 'a chosen people seeking retribution/leading the world to promised land', it was based on greed under the guise of a messianic mission to civilize the third world savages, to this latter end they actually achieved some good. It also began to unravel at the end of colonialism and is now on its last leg. American power is no longer WASP power, it has been entirely subsumed by neocon Jew power since the days of George W. Bush.

    That makes sense. From my own family experience I think wasp professionals are aware that they have been eclipsed in many sectors. My mother told me, only recently since my father died, that when apartheid ended in S Africa, Jewish professionals came to London looking for senior positions and that my father, who was in a very nice ‘big fish in a small pond’ kind of position felt he was being verbally destabilised, criticised.

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  • @Anonymous
    Thanks I mistook your Rothschild reference as picking up on my introduction of the name in my comment and, in that context, didn't understand what you were trying to convey. We do seem to be on the same theme to some extent. Indeed the rise of anti Semitism after 1870 doesn't support a quasi mysticsl view of the Eternal Jew or other such fantasy (fantasy even if not without some basis in observed reality).

    Why Rothschildt with thst "t" on the end? Not the banking family? Or is ot some Dutch branch? :-)

    Of course the bankers
    but you are right, the last ‘t’ should not be there.

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  • @renfro
    What the Japanese did to POWs was way worse than what nazis did to Jews and others prisoners.


    ''A trooper of the 3rd Hussars, being beaten by a guard with a rifle, raised an arm to ward off blows and was accused of having struck the man. After several days of beatings, he was tied to a tree and bayoneted to death.
    An officer of the Gordons who protested against sick men being forced to work was also tied to a tree, beneath which guards lit a fire and burnt him like some Christian martyr

    Japanese moral indignation caused many US aircrew captured in 1944-45 to be treated as "war criminals". Eight B-29 crewmen were killed by un-anaesthetised vivisection carried out in front of medical students at a hospital. Their stomachs, hearts, lungs and brain segments were removed.
    Half a century later, one doctor present said: "There was no debate among the doctors about whether to do the operations - that was what made it so strange."

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-482589/Beheaded-whim-worked-death-Japans-repugnant-treatment-Allied-PoWs.html#ixzz56OFGO4b6
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook




    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_03/039japanbeheading_468x620.jpg

    Never heard about this removing of organs while being alive.
    ‘My boys do not take prisoners’, a USA Pacific commander said to Lindbergh
    Charles A. Lindbergh, ´The Wartime Journals of Charles A. Lindbergh’, New York, 1970
    Then there is
    Mark R. Peattie, ‘Nan’yõ, The Rise and Fall of the Japanese in Micronesia, 1885 – 1945’, Honolulu, 1988, 1992
    large scale suicide by civilians, women with their children, as the USA force approached, with their flame throwers.

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    The Japanese bio-weapons division, Unit 731 in Manchuria, is said to have done these things to Russians and Chinese. I’m skeptical about the claims against US airmen, but the horrors in Manchuria seem real. (Needless to say all of these scientists went to work for the US after the war.)
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro
    What the Japanese did to POWs was way worse than what nazis did to Jews and others prisoners.


    ''A trooper of the 3rd Hussars, being beaten by a guard with a rifle, raised an arm to ward off blows and was accused of having struck the man. After several days of beatings, he was tied to a tree and bayoneted to death.
    An officer of the Gordons who protested against sick men being forced to work was also tied to a tree, beneath which guards lit a fire and burnt him like some Christian martyr

    Japanese moral indignation caused many US aircrew captured in 1944-45 to be treated as "war criminals". Eight B-29 crewmen were killed by un-anaesthetised vivisection carried out in front of medical students at a hospital. Their stomachs, hearts, lungs and brain segments were removed.
    Half a century later, one doctor present said: "There was no debate among the doctors about whether to do the operations - that was what made it so strange."

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-482589/Beheaded-whim-worked-death-Japans-repugnant-treatment-Allied-PoWs.html#ixzz56OFGO4b6
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    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_03/039japanbeheading_468x620.jpg

    Some of my dearest in-laws are Japanese (with common ancestry perhaps 25,000 -
    75,000 years ago. It is hard to conceive of these septuagenarians or their children belonging to the race/ethnic group that did what we know the Japanese did in the 30s and 40s. (Others are Jewish, possibly 25th or 50th cousins and a model for what the English upper middle and professional class should be). An uncle who served in or with the Red Cross in Singapore, because he was too old for ordinary military service, spent 3+ years as a prisoner in Changi – despite which he long outlived his younger brother who was a prisoner in Germany ( 82 to 59).i never discissed his experience but a partner in his stockbroking firm told me that he refused to deal with the Japanese, even after they hsd become important to business. That seems to speak for itself.

    Too many young men was a problem in Germany and Russia in the 30s and very much so for the Japanese. Now the US is going to need a lot of very dim young ethnics if it is to cary on war making even if it mainntains advantage in drones….. I wonder how Israel’s Ashkenazi reproduction rate is going?

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  • @Wally
    You don't "retain manpower" if you give your labor a choice to not participate.
    Anyway, you're wrong as usual on everything, again.

    IF you actually have the book, which I doubt, then note that there have been edited / changed versions of the original.
    The fake edited editions even ADDED 'gas chambers' where they was no mention of such nonsense initially.
    Yep, that is verifiable fact. Yep what lying Zionists do.

    "Night," p. 78, Elie Wiesel wrote the following regarding his decision to join the Germans on the march out of Auschwitz:
    "


    The choice was in our hands. For once we could decide our fate for ourselves. We could both stay in the hospital, where I could, thanks to my doctor, get him (his father) entered as a patient or nurse. Or else we could follow the others. "Well, what shall we do, father?" He was silent. "Let's be evacuated with the others," I told him."
     
    and:
    Otto Frank, the father of Anne Frank, stated the prisoners were given a choice between staying in the camps until the Soviet troops arrived or going on a 50-kilometer fast hike through two feet of snow to the border of the old German Reich where they would be put on trains and taken to camps in Germany.
    - http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/Liberation.html

    Wiesel's choice is also corroborated by other “survivor’ accounts including that of Primo Levi and most notably by the “survivors” from Schindler’s List. In their well-known story, as the Russians were about to overrun Plaszow just thirty miles down the road to the east from Auschwitz in November 1944, Schindler and more than a thousand Jews chose to go west with the retreating Nazis rather than hang back and be “liberated” by the Soviets. Some even spent the next several weeks at Auschwitz--but none were gassed, not even in the movie. The hoax has certainly had its day.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    You forgot to quote Wiesel’s hope of being liberated by the Red Army.
    They could hear the Red Army artillery, and saw the explosions at night.

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  • @Wally
    You don't "retain manpower" if you give your labor a choice to not participate.
    Anyway, you're wrong as usual on everything, again.

    IF you actually have the book, which I doubt, then note that there have been edited / changed versions of the original.
    The fake edited editions even ADDED 'gas chambers' where they was no mention of such nonsense initially.
    Yep, that is verifiable fact. Yep what lying Zionists do.

    "Night," p. 78, Elie Wiesel wrote the following regarding his decision to join the Germans on the march out of Auschwitz:
    "


    The choice was in our hands. For once we could decide our fate for ourselves. We could both stay in the hospital, where I could, thanks to my doctor, get him (his father) entered as a patient or nurse. Or else we could follow the others. "Well, what shall we do, father?" He was silent. "Let's be evacuated with the others," I told him."
     
    and:
    Otto Frank, the father of Anne Frank, stated the prisoners were given a choice between staying in the camps until the Soviet troops arrived or going on a 50-kilometer fast hike through two feet of snow to the border of the old German Reich where they would be put on trains and taken to camps in Germany.
    - http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/Liberation.html

    Wiesel's choice is also corroborated by other “survivor’ accounts including that of Primo Levi and most notably by the “survivors” from Schindler’s List. In their well-known story, as the Russians were about to overrun Plaszow just thirty miles down the road to the east from Auschwitz in November 1944, Schindler and more than a thousand Jews chose to go west with the retreating Nazis rather than hang back and be “liberated” by the Soviets. Some even spent the next several weeks at Auschwitz--but none were gassed, not even in the movie. The hoax has certainly had its day.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    You are right about the quote.
    But in my opinion it was not much of a choice, the jews were not asked if they wanted to leave or wanted to stay.
    They could invent a pretext to stay.

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  • @PeterMx
    "They did not perceive themselves as Jews". What a ridiculous comment. No matter what Jews do, Jews can't be blamed for their own actions, and therefore never take responsibility for them. Is there any other group in the world that could have taken over the Russian Empire, dominated its government and everything else in the country and orchestrate the death of tens of millions of Christians (that Jews to this day continue to lay the blood libel on with their exaggerated stories about pogroms) and then in the same breath say taking over the country had nothing to do with them being Jewish? And amazingly, keep their takeover of Russia a secret from the whole world so that no one can even comment on it, lest they be called a "NAZI". Can Germans say they didn't see themselves as Germans when they attacked the USSR or Russians didn't see themselves as Russians when they went into Germany, Japanese didn't see themselves as Japanese or the ancient Greeks or Romans didn't see themselves as such? That's quite a trick but I've only seen Jews use this verbal trick. If Jews hadn't seen themselves as Jews in Russia, or anywhere else in the world, then they wouldn't have continued to exist there, or anywhere else, for thousands of years as a separate ethnic group without a state of their own. Their existence without a state of their own for thousands of years is a tribute to their ethnocentrism.

    Jews made up less than 2% of the Russian Empire's population but they carried out a coup, overthrowing the government (the hated Czar who they continue to hate as an "anti-semite" today"), they installed themselves as the new government (Jews made up 80 to 85% of the USSR's first government according to Russian President Putin), that same government made Christianity a crime, burned down many of the country's churches and made anti-semitism (criticism of Jews) a crime.

    President Putin - Jews made up 80 to 85% of the USSR's government
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bSAB5OPkwQ

    According to the Canadian Jewish News, the Jewish Ilya Ehrenburg was the leading Soviet journalist during World War II. He was a rape advocate (the only one I know of), disseminating his propaganda to the millions of Red Army soldiers that would gang rape two million German women of all ages as they entered Germany.

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p507_Weber.html

    “ … The recent disclosure that Ehrenburg arranged to transfer his private archives to Jerusalem's Yad Vashem library and archive, while still alive, comes as a stunning revelation. The reason this information has come to light only now is that Ehrenburg agreed to transfer his archive on condition that the transfer, and his will, remain secret for 20 years after his death. On Dec. 11 [1987], with the 20-year period expired, Israel's daily Maariv related Ehrenburg's story…”

    "This new revelation about one of the most influential figures of the Stalinist regime shows that, whatever he may have said for public consumption, Ehrenburg never privately disavowed Zionism or forgot his ancestry."

    Ilya Ehrenburg is celebrated as a great hero in Israel.

    You're not qualified to carry Professor Kevin MacDonald's books.

    Ehrenburg may have advocated rape, never read this, but he did advocate murder ‘tötet, tötet, tötet’.
    What is ‘kill, kill, kill’.
    And this is what the Red Army did, planes even shot up convoys of fleeing civilians.

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    I'm afraid it wasn't just the Soviet air force which shot up civilians. I have heard plausibly of British and American fighter pilots shooting up passenget trains full of civilians at least some of it deliberately without discrimination. It is easy to imagine plenty of revenge attacks e.g. by someone whose mother had been killed in Kent or Sussex by Germans returning from an intended raid on London with plenty of firepower unused.
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  • @Anonymous
    Well I do think it worth bringing up such facts as the capacity of a large stadium to enliven the thinking of people who are not willing to spend endless time on dubious websites. I am very familiar with a stadium that cam seat over 100,000 people. However, as I try to use that fact I now take off with say 800,000 × 115 pounds which gives over 41,000 long tons of protein, fat, water and bone.

    Cont #165

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally
    The Wannsee Conference said nothing of killing Jews. And the alleged minutes were laughably altered. As has been demonstrated by numerous studies.
    Eichmann is even more ridiculous. What he said is utterly impossible, is contradicted by proven facts, and contradicted by his, always changing statements, etc. Incredible what the Israelis can do to someone after they have kept them in solitary confinement.

    I know all about Yad Vashems fake records, they been debunked at The CODOH Forum and the work from the CODOH main site.
    Yad Vashem even has people's pets listed as well as countless others who have been shown to be alive. It's largely taken from the Arolsen Archives which we know all about as well, where not a single gassing can be proven.

    Instead arguing back & forth awkwardly here, why don't you register and debate at The CODOH Forum, as I suggested previously and learn? There's no name calling, no dodging, just debate.
    Your going thorough the usual cognitive dissonance that all go through when they realize that their beliefs are simply impossible.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

    The Los Angeles Coliseum holds ca 90,000. But, according to Jews, 900,000 Jews were allegedly murdered & buried at Treblinka, which would necessarily have left unimaginable amounts of human remains. In fact, Jews claim those remains still exist. That claim equals 10 times the Los Angeles Coliseum capacity shown here:
    http://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1348&t=1
    So where are the necessary human remains?

    continued from previous comment which was kidnapped by software glitch…..

    Say 60 per cent is water so you have about 17,000 tons to be largely consumed by fire after a few months rotting where originall dumped. Fat burns easily and muscle quite readily. Bones take longer no doubt. I wonder what need there is for your forest if you start the bodies burning with liquid fuel and pile them up so that there is plenty of oxygen drawn through the pyre. I await the serious contribution of someone with appropriate scientific and engineering knowledge to take it further.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    What you talk about is laughable anti-science, easily debunked Zionist nonsense.

    That's all covered at the CODOH Forum in spades, ex.:
    https://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=cremation+fuel&fid%5B0%5D=2

    https://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=cremation+rates&fid%5B0%5D=2


    Science, rational thought, & logic simply demolish the 'holocaust' storyline.
    And that's why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it.
    Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.
     
    See the 'holocaust' scam easily & thoroughly debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:F
    http://forum.codoh.com
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally
    The Wannsee Conference said nothing of killing Jews. And the alleged minutes were laughably altered. As has been demonstrated by numerous studies.
    Eichmann is even more ridiculous. What he said is utterly impossible, is contradicted by proven facts, and contradicted by his, always changing statements, etc. Incredible what the Israelis can do to someone after they have kept them in solitary confinement.

    I know all about Yad Vashems fake records, they been debunked at The CODOH Forum and the work from the CODOH main site.
    Yad Vashem even has people's pets listed as well as countless others who have been shown to be alive. It's largely taken from the Arolsen Archives which we know all about as well, where not a single gassing can be proven.

    Instead arguing back & forth awkwardly here, why don't you register and debate at The CODOH Forum, as I suggested previously and learn? There's no name calling, no dodging, just debate.
    Your going thorough the usual cognitive dissonance that all go through when they realize that their beliefs are simply impossible.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

    The Los Angeles Coliseum holds ca 90,000. But, according to Jews, 900,000 Jews were allegedly murdered & buried at Treblinka, which would necessarily have left unimaginable amounts of human remains. In fact, Jews claim those remains still exist. That claim equals 10 times the Los Angeles Coliseum capacity shown here:
    http://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1348&t=1
    So where are the necessary human remains?

    Well I do think it worth bringing up such facts as the capacity of a large stadium to enliven the thinking of people who are not willing to spend endless time on dubious websites. I am very familiar with a stadium that cam seat over 100,000 people. However, as I try to use that fact I now take off with say 800,000 × 115 pounds which gives over 41,000 long tons of protein, fat, water and bone.

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    Cont #165
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Except that is claimed at the AR camps, all those bodies were FIRST buried, before being exhumed and burned.
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  • @jilles dykstra
    I tried to explain how antisemitism emerged after 1870, based on literature written by jews.
    That at the time a Rothschildt understood this, a tribute to their intelligence.
    What you want to study, no idea.
    The facts are there.

    said:
    “I tried to explain how antisemitism emerged after 1870, based on literature written by jews.
    That at the time a Rothschildt understood this, a tribute to their intelligence.”

    Yes indeed. Here’s “literature” written by Jews since 1869.
    Not very “intelligent”, however.

    Jews have been pushing the ’6,000,000′ lie since at least 1869?

    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

    http://www.codoh.com

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  • @Wally
    I asked & you dodged:

    So where are the necessary human remains that Jews claim?

    Only liars demand censorship.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Reading about this I have a question about crematories ….this is sort of sickening but I learned it from having my departed pets cremated.

    First, it takes about an hour for a med size dog and it would take 2 1/2 to 3 or more hours min for a adult man or woman.
    Second, what you get back aren’t really ashes….its pulverized bone fragments…the rest of the body, skin and organs are mostly water and literally melt down…the bones don’t….because of the metal and mineral content in the bones also….what you get back is like course gravely dirt. If you dumped it in or buried it in dirt you wouldn’t be able to tell it from the dirt.

    So I would find it hard to believe there are any actual ashes from camp crematories because I doubt they would take the time to ground up the bones….and I haven’t seen any mention of any bone grinding or pulverizing machines.

    I don’t see how or why it would have been efficient for the Nazis just to melt down the bodies and have to clean the puddles out and then still have the bones left to bury.

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  • @Anonymous
    No but *you* either have a very low IQ or lack all proper habits for scholarly or cognitively demanding professional work. In short, at best you are careless.

    Why? Because you completely failed to understand the clear point I was making in criticism of someone who alleged that the error (venial or malicious) of Colis was the last word on error and failed to see that those who reported seeing things in the 1940s might have been in error - about facts supposedly remembered, or their interpretation. Yes it was a trademark. At least we can take that as the starting point for investigation. *Could* the 1940s witnesses have mistaken it, then or in memory, for a Star of David? 100% certainly yes! (After all Colis and colleagues did!). But you miss that obvious point. Duh! OK it was the drink and the colic erupting....Apology accepted. You are not an idiot: merely capable, like most of us, of jumping in idiotically.

    This is what you said in response to the article revealing the Colis claim to be the one who …”lack all proper habits for scholarly or cognitively demanding professional work”.

    So who’s the idiot among us….Colis for being the sloppy, unprofessional one who wanted to think it was a star of david?….or me for believing what the maker of the tile says about the star trademark?…..or you for trying to defend/deflect from it with this pitiful offering….” Colis was the last word on error and failed to see that those who reported seeing things in the 1940s might have been in error – about facts supposedly remembered, or their interpretation. Yes it was a trademark. At least we can take that as the starting point for investigation. *Could* the 1940s witnesses have mistaken it, then or in memory, for a Star of David?”

    It doesn’t matter what some saw and took as their star of david in the 1940′s….THIS is about what Colis CLAIMED…..with .. no proper habits for scholarly or cognitively demanding professional work’……just jumping up and yelling she had found star of david tiles.

    I will retract my calling you an idiot however.

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    Stop digging, especially when you aren't even in a trench with a way out. Have you forgotten already that it wasn't Colis but me that you branded an idiot? And do you still not understand that the issue was whether errors may have been made by 1940s witnesses?
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  • @Bardon Kaldian
    Although the author has made a few very good points (media exploitation of shoah; Jewish ethnic animus toward Czarist regime; ..)- his main thesis, crafted along Kevin MacDonald's ideas is- wrong.

    Jews had been numerically over-represented in the CP USSR (and its earlier variants). They've comprised ca. 5% of all card-carrying Bolsheviks & close to 50% of the Politburo during Lenin's times (never reached 50%+). They- Russian & Ukrainian Jews (except in the BUND)- never advocated separate Jewish interests, and, what is more important, they did not perceive themselves as Jews in a national sense- except in cases when they fiercely attacked Zionism as a “grave ideological error”. Many of them were actually Russian national loyalists, which was evident from their behavior in the Brest-Litovsk treaty crisis, when Lenin had had virtually all the Bolshevik party & Politburo against himself, this time based purely on “national pride” agenda (“we won't give our land to Germans”.)

    As for influence, to put it shortly: it was Lenin, an ethnic Russian with marginal Jewish ancestry (a converted mother's father Moishko Blank, himself an anti-Semite) he wasn't aware of until he was 35, and later didn't care about, who has created & lead the successful global socio-political transformation called Communism. Lenin designed & built Bolshevik party as a highly militarized, disciplined & ideologically dogmatic sect, a universal machine for transformation of all resentments (social, national, religious, personal, ethnic, “racial”, cultural, economic,..) into a “laser beam” of focused, almost inevitably violent determination for possession of total power and creation of a new, Communist utopia.

    Both ideas and actions in the crucial periods from 1903. to 1922. were his, frequently opposed by more cautious Russian & ethnically non-Russian Bolshevik leadership. The most prominent Bolshevik rulers during the revolution and civil war, of Jewish origin, had been: Zinoviev, Kamenev, Sverdlov and Trotsky. Sverdlov was perhaps the most influential among Bolshevik Jews in the earliest stage, but he died (or was killed) too soon. He himself never developed any idea, nor had been the central figure in any significant event- except the execution of Russian royal family. Trotsky, who had been a Menshevik but switched his loyalties to Lenin, played the pivotal role in organization of the Red Army, but his vanity & verbal excesses have alienated him from many other top Bolsheviks who feared his influence: so “Jewish” Zinoviev and Kamenev formed an alliance with the Georgian Stalin (and his lapdogs) to isolate & destroy Trotsky. They succeeded, but were later destroyed in the power struggles with other Stalin's allies (this time ethnic Russian Bukharin and others). At the end, the entire “old guard”, except Stalin, had been killed, one way or another. So much for “Jewish solidarity”.

    What Kevin Macdonald can't (or won't) see is that pure stats don't mean much. One person, Lenin, totally dominated the party & the Revolution (the foundation of the Bolshevik ideology, the central strategy and tactics in post-February days, the planning and execution of the October coup d'etat, formation of the Cheka, the decision to switch to War Communism, the tactical withdrawal in the humiliating Brest-Litovsk treaty, crucial political/economic “retreat” embodied in the New Economic policy, …). On many occasions Bolsheviks of Jewish extraction had tried- unsuccessfully- to counter Lenin's unique combination of radicalism & pragmatism, but inevitably failed: they've been frequently too radical, but not realistic enough; in other instances like the October coup, they were mostly too cautious and afraid to move (so was Stalin). In all critical moments Lenin virtually raped the party- and won.

    Somewhere around 1920-1921, Stalin became the man of Lenin's primary confidence. He was the only person who could see him without prior notice (Kamenev, Zinoviev, Trotsky, ..and other Jewish Bolsheviks couldn't). After 1922. (Lenin died in 1924., completely incapacitated), Stalin was, effectively, the most influential Communist ruler & all other influential political figures, whether Jewish, ethnic Russian, Caucasian, Polish, Baltic, Ukrainian, ...could not overthrow him, nor impose their ideas and practices. Eventually, Stalin got rid off all leaders of revolution and mercifully “spared” only figures of secondary importance whose chief characteristics had been blind loyalty to him.

    To summarize: over-representation of Soviet Jews in the early stages of the Communist revolution (Sverdlov, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Uritsky, Ioffe ..or their enemies like Martov, Gershuny, Blumkin (he has later “converted”, but was executed as a Trotskyst during the Purges), Dora Kaplan …) or in Stalin's Soviet Union (Kaganovich, Yagoda, Litvinov, Neftali Frenkel, ..) is an interesting phenomenon, but proves- nothing. The very formation of a new type of society was, essentially, the result of Lenin's genius; consolidation of the new “theocratic” empire was in the hands of one man, Stalin. All Communist Jews, from top to bottom, were mostly executors and followers, not shapers of history along the ideas & practices they themselves had created. And I won't address the issue of Soviet Jewish victims (Mandel'shtam, Mikhoels, Babel', …). So, Kevin MacDonald is partially right, but his thesis about some imaginary Jewish survival strategy & brilliant success and “high life” in the Soviet Union they had- according to MacDonald – made for themselves is simply- wrong.

    “They did not perceive themselves as Jews”. What a ridiculous comment. No matter what Jews do, Jews can’t be blamed for their own actions, and therefore never take responsibility for them. Is there any other group in the world that could have taken over the Russian Empire, dominated its government and everything else in the country and orchestrate the death of tens of millions of Christians (that Jews to this day continue to lay the blood libel on with their exaggerated stories about pogroms) and then in the same breath say taking over the country had nothing to do with them being Jewish? And amazingly, keep their takeover of Russia a secret from the whole world so that no one can even comment on it, lest they be called a “NAZI”. Can Germans say they didn’t see themselves as Germans when they attacked the USSR or Russians didn’t see themselves as Russians when they went into Germany, Japanese didn’t see themselves as Japanese or the ancient Greeks or Romans didn’t see themselves as such? That’s quite a trick but I’ve only seen Jews use this verbal trick. If Jews hadn’t seen themselves as Jews in Russia, or anywhere else in the world, then they wouldn’t have continued to exist there, or anywhere else, for thousands of years as a separate ethnic group without a state of their own. Their existence without a state of their own for thousands of years is a tribute to their ethnocentrism.

    Jews made up less than 2% of the Russian Empire’s population but they carried out a coup, overthrowing the government (the hated Czar who they continue to hate as an “anti-semite” today”), they installed themselves as the new government (Jews made up 80 to 85% of the USSR’s first government according to Russian President Putin), that same government made Christianity a crime, burned down many of the country’s churches and made anti-semitism (criticism of Jews) a crime.

    President Putin – Jews made up 80 to 85% of the USSR’s government

    According to the Canadian Jewish News, the Jewish Ilya Ehrenburg was the leading Soviet journalist during World War II. He was a rape advocate (the only one I know of), disseminating his propaganda to the millions of Red Army soldiers that would gang rape two million German women of all ages as they entered Germany.

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p507_Weber.html

    “ … The recent disclosure that Ehrenburg arranged to transfer his private archives to Jerusalem’s Yad Vashem library and archive, while still alive, comes as a stunning revelation. The reason this information has come to light only now is that Ehrenburg agreed to transfer his archive on condition that the transfer, and his will, remain secret for 20 years after his death. On Dec. 11 [1987], with the 20-year period expired, Israel’s daily Maariv related Ehrenburg’s story…”

    “This new revelation about one of the most influential figures of the Stalinist regime shows that, whatever he may have said for public consumption, Ehrenburg never privately disavowed Zionism or forgot his ancestry.”

    Ilya Ehrenburg is celebrated as a great hero in Israel.

    You’re not qualified to carry Professor Kevin MacDonald’s books.

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    Ehrenburg may have advocated rape, never read this, but he did advocate murder 'tötet, tötet, tötet'.
    What is 'kill, kill, kill'.
    And this is what the Red Army did, planes even shot up convoys of fleeing civilians.
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  • @Wally
    You people believe anything.
    He never said that.
    Believe some wingnut rabbi? Laughable.
    No doubt if a rabbi told you that he witnessed witchcraft you would be believe it too.

    Why would you even believe such nonsense when there is no proof to back it up?

    remember:

    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.
     
    I challenge you to a no name calling, level playing field debate.
    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Are you in heat?
    It was a Joke!
    OMG

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  • @Bardon Kaldian
    This is nonsense. Demographic losses in SU are more or less well documented & they are real, aside from anti Jewish tendentious interpretations.

    http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm

    People have the right to question the number of people killed by the Bolsheviks. They should have the same right to question the number of people killed in the holohoax and whether gas chamber extermination on an industrial scale actually happened. Especially in Germany. Let the facts speak for themselves. The current laws suggest there are no facts to back up the 6 million claim.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    No but *you* either have a very low IQ or lack all proper habits for scholarly or cognitively demanding professional work. In short, at best you are careless.

    Why? Because you completely failed to understand the clear point I was making in criticism of someone who alleged that the error (venial or malicious) of Colis was the last word on error and failed to see that those who reported seeing things in the 1940s might have been in error – about facts supposedly remembered, or their interpretation. Yes it was a trademark. At least we can take that as the starting point for investigation. *Could* the 1940s witnesses have mistaken it, then or in memory, for a Star of David? 100% certainly yes! (After all Colis and colleagues did!). But you miss that obvious point. Duh! OK it was the drink and the colic erupting….Apology accepted. You are not an idiot: merely capable, like most of us, of jumping in idiotically.

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    This is what you said in response to the article revealing the Colis claim to be the one who ...''lack all proper habits for scholarly or cognitively demanding professional work''.

    So who's the idiot among us....Colis for being the sloppy, unprofessional one who wanted to think it was a star of david?....or me for believing what the maker of the tile says about the star trademark?.....or you for trying to defend/deflect from it with this pitiful offering...." Colis was the last word on error and failed to see that those who reported seeing things in the 1940s might have been in error – about facts supposedly remembered, or their interpretation. Yes it was a trademark. At least we can take that as the starting point for investigation. *Could* the 1940s witnesses have mistaken it, then or in memory, for a Star of David?''

    It doesn't matter what some saw and took as their star of david in the 1940's....THIS is about what Colis CLAIMED.....with .. no proper habits for scholarly or cognitively demanding professional work'......just jumping up and yelling she had found star of david tiles.

    I will retract my calling you an idiot however.

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  • @Wally
    The Wannsee Conference said nothing of killing Jews. And the alleged minutes were laughably altered. As has been demonstrated by numerous studies.
    Eichmann is even more ridiculous. What he said is utterly impossible, is contradicted by proven facts, and contradicted by his, always changing statements, etc. Incredible what the Israelis can do to someone after they have kept them in solitary confinement.

    I know all about Yad Vashems fake records, they been debunked at The CODOH Forum and the work from the CODOH main site.
    Yad Vashem even has people's pets listed as well as countless others who have been shown to be alive. It's largely taken from the Arolsen Archives which we know all about as well, where not a single gassing can be proven.

    Instead arguing back & forth awkwardly here, why don't you register and debate at The CODOH Forum, as I suggested previously and learn? There's no name calling, no dodging, just debate.
    Your going thorough the usual cognitive dissonance that all go through when they realize that their beliefs are simply impossible.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

    The Los Angeles Coliseum holds ca 90,000. But, according to Jews, 900,000 Jews were allegedly murdered & buried at Treblinka, which would necessarily have left unimaginable amounts of human remains. In fact, Jews claim those remains still exist. That claim equals 10 times the Los Angeles Coliseum capacity shown here:
    http://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1348&t=1
    So where are the necessary human remains?

    I asked & you dodged:

    So where are the necessary human remains that Jews claim?

    Only liars demand censorship.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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    Reading about this I have a question about crematories ....this is sort of sickening but I learned it from having my departed pets cremated.

    First, it takes about an hour for a med size dog and it would take 2 1/2 to 3 or more hours min for a adult man or woman.
    Second, what you get back aren't really ashes....its pulverized bone fragments...the rest of the body, skin and organs are mostly water and literally melt down...the bones don't....because of the metal and mineral content in the bones also....what you get back is like course gravely dirt. If you dumped it in or buried it in dirt you wouldn't be able to tell it from the dirt.

    So I would find it hard to believe there are any actual ashes from camp crematories because I doubt they would take the time to ground up the bones....and I haven't seen any mention of any bone grinding or pulverizing machines.

    I don't see how or why it would have been efficient for the Nazis just to melt down the bodies and have to clean the puddles out and then still have the bones left to bury.

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  • Interesting….I think I will download and read it.

    Saturday, January 27, 2018

    http://barnesreview.org/product/the-six-million-fact-or-fiction/

    7th Edition Released Free to Read in Response to Amazon Censorship

    I am happy to announce that the very latest edition of The Six Million: Fact or Fiction? (7th edition) has now been released free to read on the internet.

    I have taken this step in response to the decision by Amazon worldwide to ban the book from sale on that platform, in response to agitation from assorted Jewish organizations, including the ADL and Yad Vanshem.

    The Jewish organizations said in their pleas to Amazon to ban the book that the “threats against Jewish Community Centers” which were so rife in the US in 2017 were “evidence of rising anti-Semitism” and that therefore books like The Six Million: Fact or Fiction? needed to be removed from the public arena.
    As everyone now knows, the “threats against the Jewish Community Centers” all came from a Jew, Micheal Ron David Kadar, in Israel, who was only arrested after the US sent the FBI to that country, because the Israeli police had not acted against him.
    When he was arrested, it turned out he had over $250K in bitcoin, payment for the thousands of threats to Jewish centers all over the world, all very handily providing the excuse of “rising anti-Semitism” to ban books…

    Needless to say, when the US asked Israel to extradite Kadar, the request was refused.
    So it turned out that it was all a set-up, albeit one with which Amazon played along willingly.
    In reaction to this draconian and unwarranted censorship, I have waited until International Holocaust Remembrance Day, January 27, 2018, to prepare and release free on the Internet the very latest updated edition of The Six Million: Fact or Fiction?

    You can find the entire book on its own site here:
    I will also be releasing PDF and ebook versions, and soon a torrent file as well.
    The book is being released for non-commercial purposes only, so please respect that.

    But for now, read the whole book free by going to its new site here.
    If you want to support my efforts, please do consider buying a hard copy from the brave booksellers who still stock the book (click on the advertisement to the right please).
    The censors must know that we will never back down until this wall of lies collapses under its own weight. Banning books off Amazon is merely an indication of the fact that they know their claims cannot stand up to rational investigation. Now is the time to increase the pressure!

    Posted by Peter Winter at 3:41 PM

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    Here is another link from the barnesreview:

    https://barnesreview.org/holocaust-story-invented/

    simon wiesenthal lied and admitted it:

    https://barnesreview.org/simon-wiesenthal-lied-and-admitted-it-says-top-israeli-holocaust-historian/

    https://diversitymachtfrei.wordpress.com/2017/02/01/jews-say-holocaust-death-numbers-inflated-simon-wiesenthal-lied/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1310725/Why-I-believe-king-Nazi-hunters-Simon-Wiesenthal-fraud.html

    http://thechristiansolution.com/doc2009/303_Wiesenthal.html
    , @L.K
    Renfro,

    I have not read this one, THE SIX MILLION: FACT OR FICTION?...

    Amazon actually banned the entire holohoax revisionist catalog... someone is afraid...

    I have read several excellent revisionist books but if I had to recommend just one, particularly for people new to the subject, it would be Germar Rudolf's revised ed. of 'Lectures on the Holocaust: Controversial Issues Cross Examined'. It used to be available at amazon until the recent ban.
    Download it for free @ http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/15-loth.pdf
    Very up-to-date, and covering all bases, including the tech stuff, without being too detailed for the avg person.
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  • @Anon

    Eyewitness testimony, which is supposed to be sacrosanct on this issue,
     
    Really? Who says that?

    Jews like you say it.

    According to alleged “holocaust eyewitness” Henryk Tauber, corpses could be cremated in 5-7 minutes.
    If you question that in many countries you will be imprisoned.
    See more on the highly cited Henryk Tauber here:
    ‘Industry’s Roberto Muehlenkamp cites debunked liar Henryk Tauber as proof of Auschwitz ‘gas chambers’ !!’

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11279

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    Only liars demand censorship.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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  • @Anonymous
    I'm surprised that you promote that link so confidently. I haven't followed it up with more searches to see if Dr. Colis was indeed caught out on a critical matter as the newobserveronline would have one believe because the intellectual limitations of the author are apparent. After all he doesn't even consider the possibility that others, who saw it in 1942 or 43, mistook the Polish firm's six pointed star emblem for a Star of David (or thought it was meant to be taken to be a Star of David. At the very least the author might have shown the imagunation or the curiosity to inquire as to where the piece of tile had been placed originally.

    Are you an idiot?

    First the Nazis would never had the star of david stamped on tiles for the Jews…why the hell would they.

    Second, the article gives you the tile makers site, pictures of the tiles, ads in papers for the tiles showing the star is a TRADEMARK.

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  • @Ilyana_Rozumova
    This is a true story about Eichmann.
    And so he was sentenced to death. Next day at breakfast Eichmann did ask guard what he has to do to change to Judaism. I will bring you Rabbi said the guard.
    Rabbi came in the afternoon, and immediately asked:
    Why you want to be a Jew my son?
    Dear Rabbi said Eichmann, I will die with happy feeling that there is one less Jew in the world.

    You people believe anything.
    He never said that.
    Believe some wingnut rabbi? Laughable.
    No doubt if a rabbi told you that he witnessed witchcraft you would be believe it too.

    Why would you even believe such nonsense when there is no proof to back it up?

    remember:

    We’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    I challenge you to a no name calling, level playing field debate.
    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Are you in heat?
    It was a Joke!
    OMG
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  • @jilles dykstra
    Elie Wiesel, 'La Nuit', 1958, 2007
    Sorry, no choice in the book.
    Death march, indeed people died during the evacuation, but this was not the purpose.
    The purpose was to retain manpower.

    You don’t “retain manpower” if you give your labor a choice to not participate.
    Anyway, you’re wrong as usual on everything, again.

    IF you actually have the book, which I doubt, then note that there have been edited / changed versions of the original.
    The fake edited editions even ADDED ‘gas chambers’ where they was no mention of such nonsense initially.
    Yep, that is verifiable fact. Yep what lying Zionists do.

    “Night,” p. 78, Elie Wiesel wrote the following regarding his decision to join the Germans on the march out of Auschwitz:

    The choice was in our hands. For once we could decide our fate for ourselves. We could both stay in the hospital, where I could, thanks to my doctor, get him (his father) entered as a patient or nurse. Or else we could follow the others. “Well, what shall we do, father?” He was silent. “Let’s be evacuated with the others,” I told him.”

    and:
    Otto Frank, the father of Anne Frank, stated the prisoners were given a choice between staying in the camps until the Soviet troops arrived or going on a 50-kilometer fast hike through two feet of snow to the border of the old German Reich where they would be put on trains and taken to camps in Germany.
    - http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/Liberation.html

    Wiesel’s choice is also corroborated by other “survivor’ accounts including that of Primo Levi and most notably by the “survivors” from Schindler’s List. In their well-known story, as the Russians were about to overrun Plaszow just thirty miles down the road to the east from Auschwitz in November 1944, Schindler and more than a thousand Jews chose to go west with the retreating Nazis rather than hang back and be “liberated” by the Soviets. Some even spent the next several weeks at Auschwitz–but none were gassed, not even in the movie. The hoax has certainly had its day.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    You are right about the quote.
    But in my opinion it was not much of a choice, the jews were not asked if they wanted to leave or wanted to stay.
    They could invent a pretext to stay.
    , @jilles dykstra
    You forgot to quote Wiesel's hope of being liberated by the Red Army.
    They could hear the Red Army artillery, and saw the explosions at night.
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  • @helena
    I'm told women's camps were worse. I know of one lady who gave her food to her children and a few years after the war her organs packed up and she died.

    Also, a relative was in one of the Stalig's and 'liberation' meant walking from Poland to England, which he managed only thanks to help from Germans along the way.

    Then there's The Railway, reports from which out-horror most other war experiences.

    What the Japanese did to POWs was way worse than what nazis did to Jews and others prisoners.

    ”A trooper of the 3rd Hussars, being beaten by a guard with a rifle, raised an arm to ward off blows and was accused of having struck the man. After several days of beatings, he was tied to a tree and bayoneted to death.
    An officer of the Gordons who protested against sick men being forced to work was also tied to a tree, beneath which guards lit a fire and burnt him like some Christian martyr

    Japanese moral indignation caused many US aircrew captured in 1944-45 to be treated as “war criminals”. Eight B-29 crewmen were killed by un-anaesthetised vivisection carried out in front of medical students at a hospital. Their stomachs, hearts, lungs and brain segments were removed.
    Half a century later, one doctor present said: “There was no debate among the doctors about whether to do the operations – that was what made it so strange.”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-482589/Beheaded-whim-worked-death-Japans-repugnant-treatment-Allied-PoWs.html#ixzz56OFGO4b6
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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Some of my dearest in-laws are Japanese (with common ancestry perhaps 25,000 -
    75,000 years ago. It is hard to conceive of these septuagenarians or their children belonging to the race/ethnic group that did what we know the Japanese did in the 30s and 40s. (Others are Jewish, possibly 25th or 50th cousins and a model for what the English upper middle and professional class should be). An uncle who served in or with the Red Cross in Singapore, because he was too old for ordinary military service, spent 3+ years as a prisoner in Changi - despite which he long outlived his younger brother who was a prisoner in Germany ( 82 to 59).i never discissed his experience but a partner in his stockbroking firm told me that he refused to deal with the Japanese, even after they hsd become important to business. That seems to speak for itself.

    Too many young men was a problem in Germany and Russia in the 30s and very much so for the Japanese. Now the US is going to need a lot of very dim young ethnics if it is to cary on war making even if it mainntains advantage in drones..... I wonder how Israel's Ashkenazi reproduction rate is going?
    , @jilles dykstra
    Never heard about this removing of organs while being alive.
    'My boys do not take prisoners', a USA Pacific commander said to Lindbergh
    Charles A. Lindbergh, ´The Wartime Journals of Charles A. Lindbergh’, New York, 1970
    Then there is
    Mark R. Peattie, ‘Nan’yõ, The Rise and Fall of the Japanese in Micronesia, 1885 – 1945’, Honolulu, 1988, 1992
    large scale suicide by civilians, women with their children, as the USA force approached, with their flame throwers.
    , @helena
    Horrific. We should not have forgotten these men the way it seems we have.
    , @tac
    And the slaughter committed by psychotic Bolsheviks should not be forgotten:

    http://crazzfiles.com/talmudic-terror-and-torture/

    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Rozaliia_Zemliachka

    Katyn forest massacre:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJCrnyCkPiI
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  • @Wally
    The Wannsee Conference said nothing of killing Jews. And the alleged minutes were laughably altered. As has been demonstrated by numerous studies.
    Eichmann is even more ridiculous. What he said is utterly impossible, is contradicted by proven facts, and contradicted by his, always changing statements, etc. Incredible what the Israelis can do to someone after they have kept them in solitary confinement.

    I know all about Yad Vashems fake records, they been debunked at The CODOH Forum and the work from the CODOH main site.
    Yad Vashem even has people's pets listed as well as countless others who have been shown to be alive. It's largely taken from the Arolsen Archives which we know all about as well, where not a single gassing can be proven.

    Instead arguing back & forth awkwardly here, why don't you register and debate at The CODOH Forum, as I suggested previously and learn? There's no name calling, no dodging, just debate.
    Your going thorough the usual cognitive dissonance that all go through when they realize that their beliefs are simply impossible.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

    The Los Angeles Coliseum holds ca 90,000. But, according to Jews, 900,000 Jews were allegedly murdered & buried at Treblinka, which would necessarily have left unimaginable amounts of human remains. In fact, Jews claim those remains still exist. That claim equals 10 times the Los Angeles Coliseum capacity shown here:
    http://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1348&t=1
    So where are the necessary human remains?

    This is a true story about Eichmann.
    And so he was sentenced to death. Next day at breakfast Eichmann did ask guard what he has to do to change to Judaism. I will bring you Rabbi said the guard.
    Rabbi came in the afternoon, and immediately asked:
    Why you want to be a Jew my son?
    Dear Rabbi said Eichmann, I will die with happy feeling that there is one less Jew in the world.

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    You people believe anything.
    He never said that.
    Believe some wingnut rabbi? Laughable.
    No doubt if a rabbi told you that he witnessed witchcraft you would be believe it too.

    Why would you even believe such nonsense when there is no proof to back it up?

    remember:

    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.
     
    I challenge you to a no name calling, level playing field debate.
    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    Eyewitness testimony, which is supposed to be sacrosanct on this issue, claimed there was a Star of David on the tiles in the alleged gas chamber, this Star has yet to be found, so there’s that. The curiosity of the New Observer is irrelevant. The idea that Sturdy-Colls work confirms the Treblinka narrative owes more to gullibility than imagination, I’d say.

    Eyewitness testimony, which is supposed to be sacrosanct on this issue,

    Really? Who says that?

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    Jews like you say it.

    According to alleged "holocaust eyewitness" Henryk Tauber, corpses could be cremated in 5-7 minutes.
    If you question that in many countries you will be imprisoned.
    See more on the highly cited Henryk Tauber here:
    'Industry's Roberto Muehlenkamp cites debunked liar Henryk Tauber as proof of Auschwitz 'gas chambers' !!'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11279

    The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    Only liars demand censorship.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
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  • @Anonymous
    I'm surprised that you promote that link so confidently. I haven't followed it up with more searches to see if Dr. Colis was indeed caught out on a critical matter as the newobserveronline would have one believe because the intellectual limitations of the author are apparent. After all he doesn't even consider the possibility that others, who saw it in 1942 or 43, mistook the Polish firm's six pointed star emblem for a Star of David (or thought it was meant to be taken to be a Star of David. At the very least the author might have shown the imagunation or the curiosity to inquire as to where the piece of tile had been placed originally.

    Eyewitness testimony, which is supposed to be sacrosanct on this issue, claimed there was a Star of David on the tiles in the alleged gas chamber, this Star has yet to be found, so there’s that. The curiosity of the New Observer is irrelevant. The idea that Sturdy-Colls work confirms the Treblinka narrative owes more to gullibility than imagination, I’d say.

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    Eyewitness testimony, which is supposed to be sacrosanct on this issue,
     
    Really? Who says that?
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra
    I tried to explain how antisemitism emerged after 1870, based on literature written by jews.
    That at the time a Rothschildt understood this, a tribute to their intelligence.
    What you want to study, no idea.
    The facts are there.

    Thanks I mistook your Rothschild reference as picking up on my introduction of the name in my comment and, in that context, didn’t understand what you were trying to convey. We do seem to be on the same theme to some extent. Indeed the rise of anti Semitism after 1870 doesn’t support a quasi mysticsl view of the Eternal Jew or other such fantasy (fantasy even if not without some basis in observed reality).

    Why Rothschildt with thst “t” on the end? Not the banking family? Or is ot some Dutch branch? :-)

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    Of course the bankers
    but you are right, the last 't' should not be there.
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  • @Anonymous
    Why do you agressively assert that I "ignored" your reply? Any averagely intelligent person with a sixth grade education would infer from my question that I was not aware of your reply and therefore could not have ignored it.

    And why do you go on about the 6 million when there was criminal intent - and at least some large consequences - at the Wannsee Conference, Eichmann's systemic work which he never sought to justify in a German court in the 50s etc. It seems you haven't even tried to examine the veracity of Yad Vashem purported records of 4.7 million Jews...

    The Wannsee Conference said nothing of killing Jews. And the alleged minutes were laughably altered. As has been demonstrated by numerous studies.
    Eichmann is even more ridiculous. What he said is utterly impossible, is contradicted by proven facts, and contradicted by his, always changing statements, etc. Incredible what the Israelis can do to someone after they have kept them in solitary confinement.

    I know all about Yad Vashems fake records, they been debunked at The CODOH Forum and the work from the CODOH main site.
    Yad Vashem even has people’s pets listed as well as countless others who have been shown to be alive. It’s largely taken from the Arolsen Archives which we know all about as well, where not a single gassing can be proven.

    Instead arguing back & forth awkwardly here, why don’t you register and debate at The CODOH Forum, as I suggested previously and learn? There’s no name calling, no dodging, just debate.
    Your going thorough the usual cognitive dissonance that all go through when they realize that their beliefs are simply impossible.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

    The Los Angeles Coliseum holds ca 90,000. But, according to Jews, 900,000 Jews were allegedly murdered & buried at Treblinka, which would necessarily have left unimaginable amounts of human remains. In fact, Jews claim those remains still exist. That claim equals 10 times the Los Angeles Coliseum capacity shown here:

    http://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1348&t=1

    So where are the necessary human remains?

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    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    This is a true story about Eichmann.
    And so he was sentenced to death. Next day at breakfast Eichmann did ask guard what he has to do to change to Judaism. I will bring you Rabbi said the guard.
    Rabbi came in the afternoon, and immediately asked:
    Why you want to be a Jew my son?
    Dear Rabbi said Eichmann, I will die with happy feeling that there is one less Jew in the world.
    , @Wally
    I asked & you dodged:

    So where are the necessary human remains that Jews claim?

    Only liars demand censorship.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
    , @Anonymous
    Well I do think it worth bringing up such facts as the capacity of a large stadium to enliven the thinking of people who are not willing to spend endless time on dubious websites. I am very familiar with a stadium that cam seat over 100,000 people. However, as I try to use that fact I now take off with say 800,000 × 115 pounds which gives over 41,000 long tons of protein, fat, water and bone.
    , @Anonymous
    continued from previous comment which was kidnapped by software glitch.....

    Say 60 per cent is water so you have about 17,000 tons to be largely consumed by fire after a few months rotting where originall dumped. Fat burns easily and muscle quite readily. Bones take longer no doubt. I wonder what need there is for your forest if you start the bodies burning with liquid fuel and pile them up so that there is plenty of oxygen drawn through the pyre. I await the serious contribution of someone with appropriate scientific and engineering knowledge to take it further.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wyatt Pendleton
    If you want to know whose guilty at the core of a thing, look for those you cannot criticize. The more punitive the force of reprisal for heresy, the more guilty that party is.

    If you want to know whose guilty at the core of a thing, look for those you cannot criticize. The more punitive the force of reprisal for heresy, the more guilty that party is.

    How true. In America you can’t criticize Jews and blacks. In Europe you can’t criticize Muslims. Ultimately groups who lack introspection hurt no one but themselves, because they will keep repeating the same mistakes and never get out of the fog. They will either be hit with a thunderbolt someday by something they completely did not see coming, or will gradually lose their power and deteriorate into oblivion.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake
    The primary intellectual and moral background of Neocon Jews is Marxism, most specifically Trotskyism.

    And it wedded easily, naturally, almost perfectly, to WASP globalist imperialism, which at least tripled its power globally.

    Oliver Cromwell could have predicted it, and he would have approved wholeheartedily.

    You cannot solve the 'Jewish problem' without also solving the 'WASP problem.'

    The primary intellectual and moral background of Neocon Jews is Marxism, most specifically Trotskyism.

    And it wedded easily, naturally, almost perfectly, to WASP globalist imperialism, which at least tripled its power globally.

    You cannot solve the ‘Jewish problem’ without also solving the ‘WASP problem.’

    WASP power was not based on ‘a chosen people seeking retribution/leading the world to promised land’, it was based on greed under the guise of a messianic mission to civilize the third world savages, to this latter end they actually achieved some good. It also began to unravel at the end of colonialism and is now on its last leg. American power is no longer WASP power, it has been entirely subsumed by neocon Jew power since the days of George W. Bush.

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    • Replies: @helena
    That makes sense. From my own family experience I think wasp professionals are aware that they have been eclipsed in many sectors. My mother told me, only recently since my father died, that when apartheid ended in S Africa, Jewish professionals came to London looking for senior positions and that my father, who was in a very nice 'big fish in a small pond' kind of position felt he was being verbally destabilised, criticised.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Jews have not learned at all, they are so arrogant they are simply incapable of introspection. Declaring yourself the perpetual victim means you never need any self critique. These people are again up to their old tricks. Almost without fail all the most radical left wing pundits in the media, academia, Hollywood, DC, SV and business today are all Jews. They are practically foaming at the mouth at the mention of Trump, completely unable to reason.

    I don’t think these people will be happy until we arrive at a world ruled by Jews, with Jerusalem as the world capital, their favorite useful idiot blacks as their new Red Army, and allow these mindless vindictive violent drones to seek revenge and take from the whites everything they’ve always wanted but were too dumb/lazy to attain, but of course the homes owned by Jews will be marked with the Star and spared in their rampage, just as Moses predicted.

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  • @polskijoe
    Hah. You should be happy it says 30 million.

    There are still some fools who think the number was 60 million-66 million! They are found on all forums.
    (Solhentysin wasnt right on the number, he was also citing others, but his general books were good,
    Rummel used old outdated numbers often made up from sources, etc).

    The Bolsheviks and Stalin did kill millions for sure, 10-20 million is a good estimate. but nothing what Neocon/Neoliberal/Neonazi types claim.

    Sometime I do wonder that how come that there are still some Russians around.
    But then all those Russians must be fake Russians.

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