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    In the past couple of weeks, thanks to the president’s racist comments about Haiti and African countries he can’t even name -- remember “Nambia”? -- as well as the stamp of approval he awarded future immigrants from Norway, we’ve seen a surprising amount of commentary about that fortunate country. Let me just say: those Norwegians...
  • How stupid. Not once mentioning that there are 5 million Norwegians. The shithole countries have about 5 billion

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    Napoleon thought that, too. He sold the Louisiana Territory, which is the entire middle of the USA, to the Thomas Jefferson administration, and then sent an army to conquer it back. This army was to stop off in Haiti and put down a slave revolt. The Haitian leader had taught himself Latin and had read Julius Caesar's diaries describing his conquest of what is now France, Belgium, and Holland. The slaves used Caesar's tactics and gave Napoleon his first ever defeat. It was the only successful slave revolt in human history. The white imperialist slave-trading nations never forgave that, and made sure that Haiti would be forever punished and impoverished. When Haiti finally elected a socialist president who started reforms to improve Haiti, the Bill Clinton administration, with the help of nice, socialist, white Canada, had him kidnapped and dropped in Africa. Haiti is a shit-hole because the USA and its white-nation friends have for 2 centuries made sure it would be a shit-hole. Norway has a very different history.

    The slaves used Caesar’s tactics and gave Napoleon his first ever defeat. It was the only successful slave revolt in human history.

    And demonstrated their superior humanity by kicking off a proper white genocide.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre

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    Napoleon thought that, too. He sold the Louisiana Territory, which is the entire middle of the USA, to the Thomas Jefferson administration, and then sent an army to conquer it back. This army was to stop off in Haiti and put down a slave revolt. The Haitian leader had taught himself Latin and had read Julius Caesar's diaries describing his conquest of what is now France, Belgium, and Holland. The slaves used Caesar's tactics and gave Napoleon his first ever defeat. It was the only successful slave revolt in human history. The white imperialist slave-trading nations never forgave that, and made sure that Haiti would be forever punished and impoverished. When Haiti finally elected a socialist president who started reforms to improve Haiti, the Bill Clinton administration, with the help of nice, socialist, white Canada, had him kidnapped and dropped in Africa. Haiti is a shit-hole because the USA and its white-nation friends have for 2 centuries made sure it would be a shit-hole. Norway has a very different history.

    (Continuing my reply to Three Cranes) The historical fact is, that the middle of the USA, from the Gulf Of Mexico to the Canadian border, including many of the “red states” who support Trump, that whole territory is part of the USA thanks to the intelligent, enterprising, freedom-loving people of Haiti. If it were not for them, Napoleon would have retaken it as French territory, and all of those Trump supporters might be now speaking French, and lamenting that they have a pretty-boy idiot now running their French government.

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    But you miss Trump's very point. Haitians are not and can never be (because of genetics) Norwegians and no amount of money you throw at them will change this unalterable, biological fact. Go ahead, flush more money down that sh*thole. It's as bottomless as your clueless, factually-challenged ignorance.

    Biology is Destiny.

    Napoleon thought that, too. He sold the Louisiana Territory, which is the entire middle of the USA, to the Thomas Jefferson administration, and then sent an army to conquer it back. This army was to stop off in Haiti and put down a slave revolt. The Haitian leader had taught himself Latin and had read Julius Caesar’s diaries describing his conquest of what is now France, Belgium, and Holland. The slaves used Caesar’s tactics and gave Napoleon his first ever defeat. It was the only successful slave revolt in human history. The white imperialist slave-trading nations never forgave that, and made sure that Haiti would be forever punished and impoverished. When Haiti finally elected a socialist president who started reforms to improve Haiti, the Bill Clinton administration, with the help of nice, socialist, white Canada, had him kidnapped and dropped in Africa. Haiti is a shit-hole because the USA and its white-nation friends have for 2 centuries made sure it would be a shit-hole. Norway has a very different history.

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    (Continuing my reply to Three Cranes) The historical fact is, that the middle of the USA, from the Gulf Of Mexico to the Canadian border, including many of the "red states" who support Trump, that whole territory is part of the USA thanks to the intelligent, enterprising, freedom-loving people of Haiti. If it were not for them, Napoleon would have retaken it as French territory, and all of those Trump supporters might be now speaking French, and lamenting that they have a pretty-boy idiot now running their French government.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    The slaves used Caesar’s tactics and gave Napoleon his first ever defeat. It was the only successful slave revolt in human history.
     
    And demonstrated their superior humanity by kicking off a proper white genocide.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre
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  • You forgot to mention that school boards all run dental clinics, to give free dental care, including orthodontics, to all children. In 20 years working in Norway, I never heard Norwegians complaining about the high taxes, including a 20% sales tax.

    Norway has 8 or more political parties, so all governments are coalition governments. The major parties are, from the far left, Red Left, Socialist Left, Green, Left, Labor, Right, Center, Christian, and Progress Party on the far right. No libertarian parties. Also, in voting, they do the primary selection of candidates at the same time they do the election: you go into the voting both and pick the ballot for the party you want to elect. Each party has its own ballot, which is a folded paper with the party name on the front. If you don’t care who in the party gets the position, you just leave the booth and put that ballot in the voting box. If you care who in the party gets the position, you open your selected party ballot, and there are all the names of the persons in the party who want the jobs, and you check the names you prefer. Then you leave the both and put that into the voting box. Very efficient. The primary election and the general election are done at the same time. This also means that campaigns are focused on political idealogies and party platforms, NOT on the personalities, genders, debating skills, etc. of the candidates.

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  • But you miss Trump’s very point. Haitians are not and can never be (because of genetics) Norwegians and no amount of money you throw at them will change this unalterable, biological fact. Go ahead, flush more money down that sh*thole. It’s as bottomless as your clueless, factually-challenged ignorance.

    Biology is Destiny.

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    Napoleon thought that, too. He sold the Louisiana Territory, which is the entire middle of the USA, to the Thomas Jefferson administration, and then sent an army to conquer it back. This army was to stop off in Haiti and put down a slave revolt. The Haitian leader had taught himself Latin and had read Julius Caesar's diaries describing his conquest of what is now France, Belgium, and Holland. The slaves used Caesar's tactics and gave Napoleon his first ever defeat. It was the only successful slave revolt in human history. The white imperialist slave-trading nations never forgave that, and made sure that Haiti would be forever punished and impoverished. When Haiti finally elected a socialist president who started reforms to improve Haiti, the Bill Clinton administration, with the help of nice, socialist, white Canada, had him kidnapped and dropped in Africa. Haiti is a shit-hole because the USA and its white-nation friends have for 2 centuries made sure it would be a shit-hole. Norway has a very different history.
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  • white people can make social democracy work.

    note how this supposed ‘leftist’ chants the corporate line on women in employment.

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  • I stopped reading after “thanks to the president’s racist comments about Haiti and African countries he can’t even name.”

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  • Interesting to note that mean old Sylvi Listhaug is apparently one of the most popular Norwegian ministers as well (or at least was back in 2016 but I doubt that much has changed since then). But they are all precious little socialist angels, God bless them!

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  • First, for the record, let me tell you my story about another of those perversely creepy Hollywood predators, a sort of cut-rate Harvey Weinstein: the screenwriter and film director James Toback. As I read now of women he preyed upon year after year, I feel the rage that’s bubbled in the back of my brain...
  • The used-up journalista market ain’t what it used to be, huh?

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  • Toback could have been picked up by New York’s Finest when he hit on me in or around 1972. But I didn’t call the cops, knowing it would come to nothing. Nor did I tell our mutual employer, the City College of the City University of New York.

    Best case…she’s fondly reminiscing about a time 45 years ago when she was still hot enough to attract male attention.

    I had no doubt about which one of us our male bosses would believe. I had already been labeled an agitator for campaigning to add a program in women’s studies to the curriculum.

    Worst case…she was too ugly even back then to attract male attention and hallucinated the entire episode.

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  • Bet your daughters, if any, (but hope not) also “have come to one unalterable conclusion.”

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  • @Bel Riose
    I read this article from start to finish.

    Then -- just to make sure I understood every nuance, every argument, every point Ms. Jones was trying to make -- I read it again, slowly, patiently, letting the import of each paragraph slowly sink into my consciousness.

    And after that second reading, I have come to one unalterable conclusion, which is:

    I really, truly, honestly, don't care one bit about women being groped, harassed, molested, assaulted, or insulted.

    Not one bit !

    How's that?

    Ladies, I've just given you the one gift you most desire: the opportunity to feel indignant.

    And what makes this gift even better is the fact that my indifference isn't feigned or affected: it's 100% real.

    Merry Christmas!

    And to all a good night.

    I really, truly, honestly, don’t care one bit about women being groped, harassed, molested, assaulted, or insulted.

    #metoo

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  • I read this article from start to finish.

    Then — just to make sure I understood every nuance, every argument, every point Ms. Jones was trying to make — I read it again, slowly, patiently, letting the import of each paragraph slowly sink into my consciousness.

    And after that second reading, I have come to one unalterable conclusion, which is:

    I really, truly, honestly, don’t care one bit about women being groped, harassed, molested, assaulted, or insulted.

    Not one bit !

    How’s that?

    Ladies, I’ve just given you the one gift you most desire: the opportunity to feel indignant.

    And what makes this gift even better is the fact that my indifference isn’t feigned or affected: it’s 100% real.

    Merry Christmas!

    And to all a good night.

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    I really, truly, honestly, don’t care one bit about women being groped, harassed, molested, assaulted, or insulted.
     
    #metoo
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  • A friend of mine, a Vietnam vet, told me about a veteran of the Iraq War who, when some civilian said, “Thank you for your service,” replied: “I didn’t serve, I was used.” That got me thinking about the many ways today’s veterans are used, conned, and exploited by big gamers right here at home....
  • By “right-wing” I assume the author means “pro-war in the Middle East.” I don’t know how these two concepts became associated in the public mind. A true “right-winger” is against both a powerful central government and its imperial wars. It must be incessant propaganda that smothered this plain and obvious truth. Statism is a disease of the Left. The Left owns war! War is, as Randolph Bourne said, “the health of the State.”

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  • Women make up more than half the population of the United States, about 51%. We women are 55% of college students and we take more degrees than men. About 44 million of us between the ages of 15 and 50 have children, but only 5 million or so are stay-at-home moms. That’s because we go...
  • “When a voice tells you you will never be enough”

    you should listen.

    It may be your better nature calling you back to your true Self.

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  • Working class women often avoid the dirty, dangerous and unpleasant work that gives working class men a pay boost. This is clearly reflected in data on work-related injuries and deaths when broken down by sex. Some of this avoidance is because women just don’t have the strength and endurance to do the jobs in question. I’ve personally seen both in my life, e.g., a woman who thought working on a lobster boat would be a cool way to make big bucks, until the first high seas sent her into hysterics and a below decks berth until we docked, or the woman who dropped out of a county linemen’s crew because she literally could not pull her weight. There are exceptions but they are rare.

    Upper class women all too often refuse to put in the hours required to, e.g., make senior partner in a white shoe law firm. They leave work to raise a family. They aren’t interested in getting or lack the aptitude to get the engineering, math, and other degrees that lead to high income employment. All this is well documented.

    “Think of Senator Richard Burr lecturing Senator Kamala Harris, or Republican Majority leader Mitch McConnell officially silencing Senator Elizabeth Warren.”

    In both cases, these ignorant or self-centered or self-promoting females were violating standard parliamentary rules. They deserved to be rebuked and censored. Putting the kindest spin on these women’s conduct, that they were acting in ignorance, they at least deserve to be educated in proper conduct by their more knowledgeable and competent male colleagues. Or perhaps the Ms’s Jones and Kramer envision a new “chivalry” where men are compelled to stand by while women break any rule or law they wish.

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  • If you don’t favor whomever you are working for, or whatever they are paying you, quit!

    Start your own business and pay yourself what you claim you deserve.

    If it doesn’t work out and your business fails, maybe you are not as worthy and productive as you believe yourself to be.

    Stop complaining about how other people run their business.

    Run your own business, get your hand out of the taxpayers pocket, obey the laws, pull your own load, and quit screeching about your phony victimhood.

    Men die earlier than women because they do all of the dangerous and heavy lifting jobs.

    Be thankful for what you already have, most of which is unconstitutional:

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    1. Affirmative Action for women
    2. Generous 8A government set-aside business contracts for female owned businesses
    3. No required military service or selective service for women
    4. Government anti-discrimination laws for women
    5. Title VII and Title IX laws for women
    6. Rape shield laws protect female liars in court
    7. Generous government benefits for single mothers
    8. Men get frequently screwed in child custody cases
    9. Taxpayer financed Abortion on Demand
    10. Government sponsored homeless and rehab shelters for women
    11. All health insurance policies require universal coverage for female-specific problems
    12. Ridiculous feminist gender studies, speech codes, micro aggression nonsense, and rape hysteria institutionalized in public colleges and universities and government offices
    13. National Women’s history month
    14. Federal sexual harassment laws for women
    15. Federal Violence against Women Laws
    16. Most cushy government jobs employ women
    17. Equal Pay Act of 1963 for women
    18. Lowered physical standards by law for female policemen, firemen, soldier, and professional sports
    19. Female-only institutions allowed by law, male-only institutions outlawed
    20. Battered woman defense allowed in first degree murder court cases
    21. Hate speech crime laws protecting women and other federal protected class groups
    22. Feminist majority interoperate with federal diversity schemers
    23. Men pay 96% of all alimony, women pay 4%
    24. Paycheck Fairness Act
    25. Paid family and maternity leave for women
    26. Single Payer Health Insurance for Women and Children
    27. Living Wage for women
    28. Enhanced Social Security benefits for women with children
    29. Federal Health Insurance for illegal alien women
    30. Federal Funding for Planned Parenthood
    31. Mandatory universal health insurance plan coverage for women’s issues, including affordable contraception, preventive care, child care, and safe and legal abortion
    32. Foreign wars and intrigues to promote feminist entitlements across the globe
    33. Special federal and state monitoring and enforcement of laws prohibiting violence against women
    34. Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
    35. 98% of homeless are men
    36. Females often receive a slap on wrist for abusing children, men instead receive harsh sentences.
    37. Public colleges infringe speech that offends feminist idiots.

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  • As Ms Kramer noted in her piece, men are just susceptible to inferiority complex as women. Nevertheless, you, in the best traditions of bullshit liberalism and identity chauvinism, proceed to portray women as victims. Gender discrimination is against the law, what else do you want?

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  • Tell you what, when the number of women who die or are seriously injured in the work place is equal to the number of men who do so, we can start talking about equal pay.

    The men-women pay differential has been debunked so often, I’m kind of surprised some women take it seriously.

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  • Here we go again! Years after most Americans forgot about the longest war this country ever fought, American soldiers are again being deployed to Afghanistan. For almost 16 years now, at the command of three presidents and a sadly forgettable succession of generals, they have gone round and round like so many motorists trapped on...
  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Sorry, but 23 is mine. No function buttons worked, so I tried pressing everything. Apparently 1 did, though it didn’t tell me.
    Let’s start again:
    “Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power.”

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    “Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power.”

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  • @Malaysian Truther
    Great article apart from the usual faux pas paragraph on 9/11 'terrorists' which was the false flag for invading the country in the first place. Let the Afghan government talk to the Taliban, bring in the Shanghai Cooperation countries to sort out external border security issues and leave in 6 months. "When you are in a hole, stop digging! Btw I guess the reference to the Afghan Prime Minister was the military's way of making Trump look stupid. Trump clearly doesn't even have a personal secretary who can read through his prepared addresses and spot the howlers!

    Please switch the brain on. Who had a motive to get America entangled in Afghanistan except ObL and his lieutenants? He who was well aware of what Afghanistan did to the Soviet Union and Vietnam to the US. By contrast the neo-cons who took advantage of 9/11 had no interest in Afghanistan and never suggested it would make a good first step toward the US sorting out the ME.

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  • @MarkinPNW
    Uhmmm; How many American "Christians" support the MIC and its bombings, dronings, invasion, etc. of these poor countries? Do any of these "Christians" really read or understand what their "Christ" actually is reported to have said in the New Testament? "Love your enemies, forgive those who have hurt and offended you, turn the other cheek..."?

    They believe what their governments tell them, which in an age where government was aligned with its citizens interests was probably a good thing. Today, not so good.

    But US Christians aren’t getting together to bomb mosques or synagogues, nor do they go on shooting sprees in gay nightclubs.

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  • @Epaminondas
    Since our Civil War, Americans have always believed they could win any conflict using blunt force.

    Since our Civil War, Americans have always believed they could win any conflict using blunt force.

    Since Mexican War. The easy success in Mexican War gave Southerners the idea for Secession and expansion into Central and Southern America. Wars breeds wars.

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  • … that is 100% of the reason why we are staying in Afghanistan.
    No, along with the poppy business and selling mil hardware and myriads of related services, menacing Iran and/or Pakistan, are just side benefits.

    The Imperial Imperative demands that the Empire disrupt China’s New Silk Roads initiative, or lose Eurasia. Afghanistan is pivotal. The US will stay and ensure Afghan chaos until the Russians and Chinese make it impossible for them.

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  • Everybody should read Doug Wissing’s book “Funding the enemy”. Afghanistan is primitive and it’s only political system is corruption. It’s a waste of American taxpayers money. The Taliban skims money off of every business entity. Farmers grow opium poppies – for the $ of course. Burn down all their crops and get out never to return.

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  • Afghanistan – US Bagram Airbase — The neocon Jews and their US generals want a land airbase to pressure and attack the nation of Pakistan – that is 100% of the reason why we are staying in Afghanistan.

    Think Peace — Art

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  • I think Trump would have pulled the plug on Afghanistan if it wasn’t for all those pictures of the helicopter rescues from the roof of the embassy in Saigon.

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  • The comparison of Taliban to “evangelical right-wing Republicans” is ludicrous. The entire comment was: “Think of them as the Afghan equivalent of our own evangelical right-wing Republicans. You find some in almost every town. And the more you rile them up, the meaner they get and the more followers they gain.” I am not a big fan of Lenin’s rightwing/leftwing– menshevik/bolshevik rhetoric. However if one wants to quote Lenin, the leftwing would be a better match to the Taliban. Most of the meanness and outright violence from the 20th century up to the present has been from leftwing groups –starting with the Palmer raids in the early part of the 20th century, violent union protests, the very violent 60′s, currently the congressional ballpark shooting, and groups like antifa and BLM(pigs in a blanket, fry ‘em like bacon….).

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  • @YetAnotherAnon
    While I agree with the general thrust of Ann's post, this facile equivalence of American Christians and Afghan Islamist fighters is sad - and it doesn't add anything to what she has to say.

    Christians have been (as a class and individually) subject to multiple and repeated insults over the last forty-odd years, without responding with violence. Compare that with the slaughter of schoolchildren in Pakistan by the Taliban (because their fathers were in the military) .

    Uhmmm; How many American “Christians” support the MIC and its bombings, dronings, invasion, etc. of these poor countries? Do any of these “Christians” really read or understand what their “Christ” actually is reported to have said in the New Testament? “Love your enemies, forgive those who have hurt and offended you, turn the other cheek…”?

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    They believe what their governments tell them, which in an age where government was aligned with its citizens interests was probably a good thing. Today, not so good.

    But US Christians aren't getting together to bomb mosques or synagogues, nor do they go on shooting sprees in gay nightclubs.
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  • President Obama tried to end the war there in 2014,

    repeatedly refers to the war criminal Obama as “President Obama”, but fails to refer to President Trump with the same honor. (IOW a racist, Obama-loving hack)

    the dog thing seems a little irrational and odd, but no more so than the Virgin Birth or the Rapture.

    or the idea that two planes can cause three buildings to disintegrate

    It was here, not in Afghanistan, that the prospective pilots for those hijacked planes learned to fly.

    the idea that the 19 box-cutter wielding terrorists were able to shut down NORAD and SAC and cause building seven to plop into its basement in neat little piles to be shipped to China and melted down, it the absurdity of the century. Literally.

    I suppose we’re also supposed to believe that Saddam was behind 9/11 and ‘they hate us for our freedom’ and that Obama liberated Libya

    what other manner of idiocy are we subjected to here…

    no mention of the CIA heroin trafficking operations or the very reason the ZUSA is in Afghanistan in the first place – to menace Iran on behalf of Israel. Duh.

    security again sent in the dogs, leaving tearful students to burn their defiled clothing afterward.

    that there is a culture that hates dogs and considers a mere sniff of a dog as defiling their clothing, makes me wonder if there’s anything redeemable at all about this bacha bazi shit hole of a country.

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  • @Epaminondas
    Since our Civil War, Americans have always believed they could win any conflict using blunt force.

    Since our Civil War, Americans have always believed they could win any conflict using blunt force.

    No, this belief appeared immediately after WWII due to a combination of factors which had nothing to do with actual American military effort.

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  • A believe that the offensive leaflet contained a white (not black) dog, here. Or perhaps there was more than one style leaflet used?

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  • @L Woods

    Think of them as the Afghan equivalent of our own evangelical right-wing Republicans.
     
    Stopped reading at this point.

    While I agree with the general thrust of Ann’s post, this facile equivalence of American Christians and Afghan Islamist fighters is sad – and it doesn’t add anything to what she has to say.

    Christians have been (as a class and individually) subject to multiple and repeated insults over the last forty-odd years, without responding with violence. Compare that with the slaughter of schoolchildren in Pakistan by the Taliban (because their fathers were in the military) .

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    Uhmmm; How many American "Christians" support the MIC and its bombings, dronings, invasion, etc. of these poor countries? Do any of these "Christians" really read or understand what their "Christ" actually is reported to have said in the New Testament? "Love your enemies, forgive those who have hurt and offended you, turn the other cheek..."?
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  • The few thousand increased troops, who will be behind the wire and not accomplish anything, is a PR distraction from the real change in policy in Afghanistan. Trump has told us that the real policy change in Afghanistan is not to build needed infrastructure, but to destroy it. The US must destroy Afghanistan to save it. Excerpts from his August remarks:
    > have the necessary tools and rules of engagement to make this strategy work
    > I have already lifted restrictions
    >we are already seeing dramatic results in the campaign to defeat ISIS, including the liberation of Mosul in Iraq.
    > apply swift, decisive, and overwhelming force.

    Mosul, Iraq has been completely destroyed by US aerial bombing, and there is now a similar situation now in Afghanistan. news headlines:
    >Air Force’s Monthly Bombing Campaign in Afghanistan Hits 5-Year High
    >Data show sharp increase in munitions dropped by Air Force in Afghanistan
    >The Air Force is sending more fighter jets to Afghanistan

    This new strategy is described in a recent think tank posting.
    “While air strikes may be viewed as defensive or punitive, if the Afghan government wants to halt Taliban gains, the Taliban must be forced to pay a heavy price for massing and striking outposts, bases, and district centers. Hitting Taliban forces as they travel in convoys or after they overrun bases will force its military commanders to reconsider their tactics, which have proven successful in all areas of Afghanistan.”

    The generals are now in charge and they will get it done the only way they know how, with high explosives, fragmentation and cluster bombs delivered from the air. Hey, there’s a lot of money in it.

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  • Think of them as the Afghan equivalent of our own evangelical right-wing Republicans.

    Stopped reading at this point.

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    While I agree with the general thrust of Ann's post, this facile equivalence of American Christians and Afghan Islamist fighters is sad - and it doesn't add anything to what she has to say.

    Christians have been (as a class and individually) subject to multiple and repeated insults over the last forty-odd years, without responding with violence. Compare that with the slaughter of schoolchildren in Pakistan by the Taliban (because their fathers were in the military) .
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  • Ann Jones, well written article!
    I would like to add that during the previous administrations, both Bush and Obama, reports kept surfacing from American soldiers that they were forced to release enemy combatants that overwhelming evidence had implicated in atrocities. There were other insane orders from the top too. Soldiers discribed this as “Lawyers running the show.” While you are correct in American involvement having been a disaster so far, I’m waiting to see if the current Administration’s round of escalation uses logic and positive goals for the Afghans instead of psychopathic murderous military, political, and corporate insanity.
    Anyway, Ann Jones, please keep publishing.

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  • Since our Civil War, Americans have always believed they could win any conflict using blunt force.

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    Since our Civil War, Americans have always believed they could win any conflict using blunt force.
     
    No, this belief appeared immediately after WWII due to a combination of factors which had nothing to do with actual American military effort.
    , @utu
    Since our Civil War, Americans have always believed they could win any conflict using blunt force.

    Since Mexican War. The easy success in Mexican War gave Southerners the idea for Secession and expansion into Central and Southern America. Wars breeds wars.
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  • The U.S. is in Afghanistan to protect the poppy fields and thus the CIA and MOSSAD and MI6 drug running operation which brings in hundreds of billions a year in profits for the deep state and the Zionist bankers. In addition the deep state and the MIC get to spend trillions on weapons which might other wise go to improving the lives of ordinary citizens ie the proles.

    America is OCEANIA where wars are now a way of life , perpetual wars for perpetual profit for the deep state and the Zionist bankers who run the U.S., and just as Orwell said , if you want to see the future imagine a boot smashing you in the face.

    Britain was at war in Afghanistan from 1838 until 1919 ie 81 years until being sucked back in by G.W. Bush and the deep state ie the Zionist warmongers who actually control the U.S., so just as in OCEANIA we proles can look at a future of wars of destruction going on forever.

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s not a war, it’s an occupation and the US is trying to squelch insurgents and impose it’s puppet government upon them. In this the US uses all the old counter-insurgency methods as it tries to separate the insurgents from the general population and pits one ethnic/tribal group against another such as Uzbek vs Pashtun, etc. The majority of Afghans welcomed the victory of the Taliban over the depredations of the US-backed warlords. The Taliban brought stability and law-and-order to most of Afghanistan. Within 48 hours of the US pulling out they’ll be back. The Taliban were never defeated since they weren’t a conventional army to begin with. As an insurgent force they simply scattered upon the US invasion with it’s superior force and proceeded to conduct guerrilla warfare against the occupiers. It’s a fool’s errand for the US to be there. Village idiot Bush got us in and so far no one has the courage to take us out. The author is a typical delusional western woman what with her ‘women’s liberation’ angle, not realizing the situation of women can’t improve without the situation for the entire country improving. Bombs and tanks stymie this. They’ve had almost forty years of war there thanks to the US being willing to fight the Russians to the last Afghan and then invading them itself. Want to do the Afghans a favor? Then get out. It’s going to take a couple generations for them to reconstitute themselves after all these years of “liberation”.

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  • Great article apart from the usual faux pas paragraph on 9/11 ‘terrorists’ which was the false flag for invading the country in the first place. Let the Afghan government talk to the Taliban, bring in the Shanghai Cooperation countries to sort out external border security issues and leave in 6 months. “When you are in a hole, stop digging! Btw I guess the reference to the Afghan Prime Minister was the military’s way of making Trump look stupid. Trump clearly doesn’t even have a personal secretary who can read through his prepared addresses and spot the howlers!

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    Please switch the brain on. Who had a motive to get America entangled in Afghanistan except ObL and his lieutenants? He who was well aware of what Afghanistan did to the Soviet Union and Vietnam to the US. By contrast the neo-cons who took advantage of 9/11 had no interest in Afghanistan and never suggested it would make a good first step toward the US sorting out the ME.
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  • De Gaulle already despised the USA for trying to solve any problem with power.
    Trump follows this tradition.

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  • Ann Jones,

    Thank you for a very informative discussion of America’s travails and debacles in Afghanistan.

    The way I understand it, after first being ignominiously defeated in Afghanistan the British then returned to ruthlessly subjugate the country (or at least some part of it). But Britain, unlike present-day brash America, had enough sense to learn their lesson and eventually departed that God-forsaken country!

    Will America ever realize the futilities of America’s Afghanistan policies?

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  • You may have noticed that quite a few of the formerly united states of America have been choosing to go their own way. My own state, Massachusetts, now blooms with sanctuary cities sworn to protect residents from federal intrusion. Its attorney general, Maura Healey, was among the first to raise the legal challenge to President...
  • Scandinavia is no longer homogeneous, and is becoming less so every day. All of the vaunted advantages of their social welfare state are going out the window rapidly with the ever expanding population of 3rd world deadbeats arriving every day. Maryland is burdened with a “permanent underclass” in Baltimore and Prince Georges county that is already draining the treasury of the state. California already considered enacting universal health care, and then balked once they determined that it would cost their entire current budget to fund. Universal healthcare is an unaffordable luxury in a multicultural society.

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  • Hawaii tried it and was forced to backpedal, as it was “too expensive”…”death panels, anyone?” Even Romney’s Massachusetts tried it…same result.
    As to “hitting up” corporate interests to pay for it, they will just move to lower tax states.

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  • LOL liberals now vehemently interested in states rights and critical of big government…

    Don’t worry Ms Jones, the Trumpenfuhrer will bring the hurt to those states that dare to defy his edicts.

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  • Donald Trump grabbed a new lifeline. Speaking at a rally in Charlotte, North Carolina, on October 15th, he raised a hand as if to take an oath and declared: “I am a victim!” The great business tycoon, the one and only man who could fix America and make the place great again (trust me, folks),...
  • There’s one who really believes in the war between the sexes. Every woman must fight for every other woman, every man stands a s symbol of male oppression- nuances be damned. Trump is Joel Steinberg is Hitler; Warren is Heda Nussbaum is … Eva Braun?
    And what woud she make with the bon mot that there is too much fraternization between the sexes to make this war feasible? “Fraternization with the enemy? Not for me!”

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  • Fact the First: Hillary Clinton is a nasty woman.

    Fact the Second: Ann Jones is just embittered no one wants to grab her by the pussy.

    Fact the Third: Contra this cat lady propaganda, the polls are leveling out as the media rushes to preserve a smidgen of credibility before his win.

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  • “I am a victim,” he declared, “of one of the great political smear campaigns in the history of our country.

    This is the simple truth. Refuted by the most blatant straw man argument I have ever seen. Who is this Ann Jones? Disgusting!

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  • You’re mad at Trump for standing up to the woman who is the chosen stooge of Wall Street and the Perpetual War lobby in this election?

    In his own telling, he, not the women he’s demeaned or assaulted, is the abused one and he’s taking it for us, for America. It’s quite a self-portrait when you think about it and should make us appreciate all the more those women who stepped before the cameras, reported his sexual assaults, and left themselves open to further abuse from Trump and his supporters.

    Trump has been a major celebrity for almost forty years. Isn’t it strange that all these women suddenly came forward with their accusations just a few weeks before the general election? But not so strange if you’ve seen those James O’Keefe videos showing what a ruthless dirty tricks operation the Clinton campaign has. And those women can expect to be well taken care of given that Wall Street, the US Chamber of Commerce and City Of London are all very openly opposed to Trump.

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  • A friend of mine, a Vietnam vet, told me about a veteran of the Iraq War who, when some civilian said, “Thank you for your service,” replied: “I didn’t serve, I was used.” That got me thinking about the many ways today’s veterans are used, conned, and exploited by big gamers right here at home....
  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The VA choice card sounds exactly like what Trump is proposing when he says “if you can’t get medical treatment at a VA facility just got to a private hospital and we will pay for it”. Am I right to think Trump is basically in favor of the same thing supported by McCain and the Koch front group? If so it’s interesting that he supports this Koch boon doggle considering that they are not directly supporting him as far as I can glean.

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  • First I would say that the left has it’s share of billionaires and dark money–George Soros comes to mind. Both sides of the isle have the same end plan, and it is not of benefit to we “little people”

    However, the article is spot on. I am a Vietnam veteran still dealing with my wounds on a daily basis nearly 50 years later. I use the VA exclusively for my health care, and although I have heard of the horror stories, I have no complaints about the care I have received over the years—except for once. About a year ago, my primary care doctor ordered a procedure that would have required a 250 mile round trip, over night stay, and a driver–none of which worked too well for a single, hermit rancher. So we went through the “veterans choice” program. What a complete farce. Some 6-7 months later, the procedure was done at my local hospital–just across the street from the veterans outpatient clinic I get my primary care. Before the veterans choice program was forced upon us, there was this thing called “fee basis” which because of my situation would have gotten me the procedure locally in –oh–maybe 30 days. Now with the veterans choice program every thing has to go through a private “middleman” in my case an outfit called Tri-West (notice the play on TriCare- the long established retired military health care service).

    Tri-West was totally “off the ball” first taking about 3 months to get me an appointment with the WRONG sort of doctor. Then another 3 months to get the appointment with the right doctor. They were totally none responsive on the phone, and try as hard as the VA regional people worked at it, nothing would move this new private bureaucracy. I have heard since then from several fellow veterans, and more than several other VA caregivers of similar, and even worse problems with them (Tri-West that is). So what John McCain, and congress did was “fix” something that wasn’t broken, and of course made sure some other private entity would get to feast at the government troth.–just got to love how well our government works

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  • I say this article is a “must read.”

    I find it interesting that today I received a letter (mass mailing) from the Surgeon General regarding the opioid epidemic. The letter claims that “Since 1999, opioid overdose deaths have quadrupled” and the number of prescriptions for opioids is enough for almost every adult in America to have a bottle of pills.

    It further says that “..nearly two million people in America have a prescription opioid use disorder…”

    It looks to me that there are some real problems and that Ms Jones in probably right on the money about some of the sources of them.

    Gawd, McCain reeks even worse than I ever imagined!

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  • Last fall, when presidential wannabe Donald Trump famously boasted on CNN that he would “be the best thing that ever happened to women,” some may have fallen for it. Millions of women, however, reacted with laughter, irritation, disgust, and no little nausea. For while the media generate a daily fog of Trumpisms, speculating upon the...
  • I bookmarked this article for future reference after the election, in the folder named “whistling past the graveyard”

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  • The Stop-Trumpers are really, really reaching now, to the point that their antic contrivances are not just comical, but monotonous, hideously spiteful hysterical contortions. In short, Mr. Trump’s clarity – what Steve Sailer would call “Noticing” – sets the Establishment’s teeth on edge, sets them to tying themselves into knots, yanks their undies into a wedgie, because the Establishment’s vested-interested mandarins are congenitally incapable of dealing with a straight-talking, straight-shooting man – because Mr. Trump’s Noticing unmasks the Huge Sellout the Establishment’s been running on us ordinary Americans.

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  • “Whether the victim is female or male, the controlling assailant is almost always a man.”

    Jeeze, I wonder where Hillary Clinton with her attacks on all the “bimbos” sexually assaulting her husband, such as Monica Lewinsky, fits within that description. Is Ms. Jones telling us that Hillary is a man? She definitely favors pants suits, that’s for sure. No wonder she and Bill live in different houses states apart. Let’s hope the upcoming election does nothing to change that situation.

    BTW where are the references to the fact that Trump, when he was in his 40′s, liked to see young, attractive women in their 20′s in bikinis, as the NY Times breathlessly revealed on the front page of its Sunday paper a few weeks back. I assume that Ms. Jones doesn’t wear bikinis because she doesn’t look good in them.

    I am also a little surprised, since the article comes courtesy of Tom Engelhardt of the supposedly anti-war TomDispatch, that there is no mention of the fact that Hillary Clinton as Senator voted for the Iraq War and only conceded it was a mistake years later, as Obama’s SOS pushed for the Libyan War, as Obama’s SOS pushed for our involvement in Ukraine and as candidate pushed for illegal “no-fly zones” over Syria, all of which have been strongly opposed by Donald Trump. I see this as an early sign that the hypocrite Tom Engelhardt is going to endorse Hillary Clinton in the fall, revealing that his anti-war posture is a complete sham.

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  • This is about as ingenious as the articke about peak oil demand, etc
    Where the author stated ‘the proce was $100/bbl untik 2014′
    Except, of course,…it was not.
    Oil was at $25/bbl in ghe 1990′s.
    This is similiarly, idiocy based on nothing except personal fantasies.

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  • restless94110 [AKA "Stephen Douglas"] says:

    What a pile of utter nonsense.

    A 3rd Wave feminist Chicken Little hysterically bleating that millions of women see Trump as an abuser? Like his wives and daughters?

    What the bloody hell are you whining about? No wonder men are giving up on women and marriage at alarming degrees.

    In this idiot’s view, if you stand up for yourself, get things done, and don’t apologize to fascist Social Justice Warriors, you are an abuser and millions of women see that.

    This is the equivalent of people believing the Earth was flat. The stupidity of the writer and the dysfunctional enabling by Tom Engelhardt is astounding.

    A new nadir in destructive nonsense from progressives who should know better. Tom?

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  • @Frederick John
    Utter nonsense. Wonder what a man did to this man-hater. Or maybe she simply can't compete for whatever station, or job, in life she covets. Lots of anger here.

    the boys never looked at Ann the way they did the other girls

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  • Utter nonsense. Wonder what a man did to this man-hater. Or maybe she simply can’t compete for whatever station, or job, in life she covets. Lots of anger here.

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  • Ann Jones hysterical whining is more proof that women should not be able to vote.

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  • Tom dispatch should be permanently dispatched for promoting this twit

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  • Seems like old Ann I’d bitter about Trump being the founding father of the prenuptial agreement. Too bad, so sad, your dad. Go make me a sandwich you poorly constructed soul.

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  • Lots of feminist BAWWWWWWWWW

    Here’s a hatefact for you. Women like commanding men, men capable of waging war, destroying their enemies. In fact, the more violent and ‘bad’ the man, the more women like him. Have you noticed Putin’s high ratings? Do you think that’s exclusively from men? He comes across as tough, direct, and he’s sometimes crude. And Russian women like it. Because women vote in line with the social consensus. Men, as you admit, seek to change it. As women are more consensus oriented creatures, they resist the Overton window being moved by a ‘disruptor’. But once it is moved, they’ll defined the ‘tyrant’.

    So listen honey. In a democracy, electoral campaigns are war by other means. They are not therapy sessions for the left’s victim classes. They’re not to make you twinkle cave feel good.

    That women tend to vote for more liberal candidates is an excellent argument for restricting the franchise to men. Your bitching boils down to ‘You brute! You’re winning! Conservatives aren’t aloud to win! Only the left is allowed to direct vitriol at its opponents. Well, the (((culture of critique))) is over, and the Mexies are going over the gd wall. So I suggest you take your Wheel of Sanctimony and apply it to the Clinton’s predations, sexual and otherwise.

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  • Whatever, but we *know* that Hillary protected her rapist husband and bullied and harassed his female victims.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What is this nonsense?

    He is a man who gets what he wants and uses a collection of techniques to achieve his aim. You obviously have not noticed the many women who came out in support of him even when his name was being dragged through the mud by the NYTimes. What about his daughter? Do you think she is the daughter of a woman abuser?

    Delusional nonsense and implicitly sexist against men,

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  • do i come here to read feminist bullshit now? the traits of a “wife abuser” are the traits of MASCULINITY.

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  • I went to Kabul, Afghanistan, in March to see old friends. By chance, I arrived the day after a woman had been beaten to death and burned by a mob of young men. The world would soon come to know her name: Farkhunda. The name means “auspicious” or “jubilant.” She was killed in the very...
  • The murder of Farkhunda suddenly opened their eyes

    Probably not, actually. What sets Farkhunda apart is her demonstrated devout life, she will be the exception and not the rule.

    Meanwhile, at the Guardian:

    Women are subordinate to men, should not mix in work or education and must always have a male guardian when they travel, according to new guidelines from Afghanistan’s top clerics which critics say are dangerously reminiscent of the Taliban era.

    The edicts appeared in a statement that also encouraged insurgents to join peace talks, fuelling fears that efforts to negotiate an end to a decade of war, now gathering pace after years of false starts and dead ends, will come at a high cost to women.

    “There is a link with what is happening all over the country with peace talks and the restrictions they want to put on women’s rights,” said Afghan MP Fawzia Koofi, who warned that the new rules were a “green light for Talibanisation”.

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    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/05/afghanistan-women

    And the Afghan government is in ongoing contact with the Taliban ..

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/04/world/asia/afghan-and-taliban-representatives-meet-in-qatar.html

    .. where any future deal will see women’s rights sacrificed to geopolitics and that’s the end of it.

    If there’d been a chance at women’s equality in Afghanistan, it would have come of training and arming Afghan women and that is lost opportunity -

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  • Americans who live abroad -- more than six million of us worldwide (not counting those who work for the U.S. government) -- often face hard questions about our country from people we live among. Europeans, Asians, and Africans ask us to explain everything that baffles them about the increasingly odd and troubling conduct of the...
  • Bush is condemned outright; yet Obama damned by faint praise. (His “health care” was
    designed by Wall Street’s insurer banksters, modeled after a Republican governor’s.)
    The consistency of their duopoly party policies is remarkable.
    America is portrayed in a bad light, in contrast to favored Euro (NATO?)
    satrapy foreign policy nations that are all really part of the hypocritical
    “Coalition of the Willing” and not as benign and holier-than-thou
    perfections as this makes it appear.

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  • Gonna censor my freedom of speech, are ya? Well, here goes again, socialist asshat!

    This article is nothing but a bunch of crap. Who says “you” are responsible for explaining America and who it is and why it does what it does? And what makes you think they, Norwegians or others, know the truth of anything, especially when it was the US of A who saved them from the fascism of Nazi Germany?

    They have short memories and do not tie the freedoms they have to live the way they choose with what America has done for them or continues to do, even when many Americans would rather not.

    So don’t go apologizing for me. If you think they are better than your own kind, then you are better off living where you are. Good riddance. I travel also and when I am asked where I am from and respond America, well, there is a pronounced change in tone, one of admiration and probably jealousy. They would give their eye teeth to live in America, but then again, everyone else wants all the freebies that our Dear Leader is providing, e.g. free community college is the latest – TINSTAAFL.

    Their collective socialist smug attitudes about such a paradise of a place to live is also a bunch of bunk. Yes, the citizens have their lives taken care of and they think they are safe, but at what cost? The world is still a very dangerous place and Islam will remind them of that fact soon. Bunch of idiots. Go ahead, drink the koolaid.

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  • Yes, little, advanced countries full of smart, conscientious people are great places.

    While the questions about US foreign actions put forth here by Ann Jones are definitely fair, she makes a common logical mistake in her overview of some American domestic policies: that of comparing the United States to Scandinavian countries.

    A continent-spanning nation comprising over three-hundred-million people of every race cannot function like a homogenous group of Nordic people numbering no more than the population of a single, average US state.

    Countries like Sweden and Norway are beginning to find out just how hard it is to continue governing the way they do, now that they have so many non-European people moving in. They are starting to experience what Americans have lived with for centuries: races of people who do not think, act or live like Europeans.

    Let those small, advanced countries find out how well their high-tax welfare states run now…and let them see how their ideas about human decency hold up. They are indeed among the fairest, smartest people on the planet, but that’s exactly why they enjoyed well-run countries before the demographic changes became sizeable.

    Remember: France used to be a safe place for free expression…

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  • Ivy [AKA "Anonyme"] says:

    Update:

    Young Americans by and large just do not want to know.

    Look at their mistrust of media and low rates of news consumption compared to past generations, even with changes in information delivery technology to meet their connectedness needs.

    They are the vanguard of future America, and they came of age in a world where they learned to expect a rigged game. When they see the uneven playing field and the financialization of so many aspects of life, they disengage from civic involvement. Neil Postman was one of several who saw the trend in his book Amusing Ourselves to Death.

    They try to position themselves to benefit where they can while avoiding the various downside risks. Obviously that is not all of the young, but is enough to provide some societal and cultural inertia.

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  • Ivy [AKA "Enquiring Mind"] says:

    Young Americans by and large just do not want to know.

    Look at their mistrust of media and low rates of news consumption compared to past generations, even with changes in information delivery technology to meet their connectedness needs.

    They are the vanguard of future America, and they came of age in a world where they learned to expect a rigged game. When they see the uneven playing field and the financialization of so many aspects of life, they disengage from civic involvement. Neil Postman was one of several who saw the trend in his book Amusing Ourselves to Death.

    They try to position themselves to benefit where they can while avoiding the various downside risks. Obviously that is not all of the young, but is enough to provide some societal and cultural inertia.

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