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    Amid the intense coverage of Russian cyber-maneuvering and North Korean missile threats, another kind of great-power rivalry has been playing out quietly in the Indian and Pacific oceans. The U.S. and Chinese navies have been repositioning warships and establishing naval bases as if they were so many pawns on a geopolitical chessboard. To some it...
  • This seems to be mostly about the US Navy wanting more ships = more jobs. Welfare for sailors. China doesn’t seem to actually militarily threaten any genuine US interest at all. At least, this article certainly doesn’t make any case for it.

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    Commerce will remain overwhelmingly sea based. Long distance rail lines are way too energy inefficient in comparison.

    OBOR is another debt fueled construction scam, like most of China's economy.

    Pipelines make tankers over priced and slow.
    Railroads and superhighways make cargo ships overpriced and slow and reduce product handling.
    And all of them are harder to interdict from the sea.
    Coastal Artillery has been replaced by aircraft carrier killer missiles. Maybe $1million per missile and 5 of them take out a carrier task force that cost $8 billion to build and uncountable billions to staff and train the crews.
    You might have noticed the huge amount of shipping containers that come into LA and then are train shipped to the rest of the USA. And the USA rail system is at best one hundred years out of date. China has already run high speed trains from Chinato London, the continental distance and time is half the oceanic distance and ten times faster, ( 20 knots for your usual container ship, 200+K/h for your high speed rail).
    When Mahan wrote, THE strategic material was coal. Nations developed coaling stations on all the sea routes so that they could refuel. Oil used to be the strategic resource, chips are the current strategic resource. So the ability to strangle the world island is ending. The peripheral nations are no longer so puissant. Mahan was brilliant for his time, Mackinder was superb for the Perfidious Albion version of the Great Game. Kenan and his containment theory was good for its time.
    None of them are currently appropriate.

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    And not one word about OBOR initiative.
    Mahan and Mackinder lived in a world where commerce could be controlled from the sea. No national railroads, no interstates, no pipelines no air freight.
    Control the choke points, control the nations dependent on sea trade for whatever was the strategically important import of the time. The World Island is building infrastructure to circumvent the old strategic models. Iran has just announced that it will be building multilane highways through Iraq, Syria and Lebanon to connect Iran to the Mediterranean Sea. And the other end of that road will connect to the OBOR.
    Russia is a part of the OBOR initiative and is also opening year round sea traffic along its north coast. Where the LNG plants are. The plants that will feed China and the rest of the World Island.

    Commerce will remain overwhelmingly sea based. Long distance rail lines are way too energy inefficient in comparison.

    OBOR is another debt fueled construction scam, like most of China’s economy.

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    Pipelines make tankers over priced and slow.
    Railroads and superhighways make cargo ships overpriced and slow and reduce product handling.
    And all of them are harder to interdict from the sea.
    Coastal Artillery has been replaced by aircraft carrier killer missiles. Maybe $1million per missile and 5 of them take out a carrier task force that cost $8 billion to build and uncountable billions to staff and train the crews.
    You might have noticed the huge amount of shipping containers that come into LA and then are train shipped to the rest of the USA. And the USA rail system is at best one hundred years out of date. China has already run high speed trains from Chinato London, the continental distance and time is half the oceanic distance and ten times faster, ( 20 knots for your usual container ship, 200+K/h for your high speed rail).
    When Mahan wrote, THE strategic material was coal. Nations developed coaling stations on all the sea routes so that they could refuel. Oil used to be the strategic resource, chips are the current strategic resource. So the ability to strangle the world island is ending. The peripheral nations are no longer so puissant. Mahan was brilliant for his time, Mackinder was superb for the Perfidious Albion version of the Great Game. Kenan and his containment theory was good for its time.
    None of them are currently appropriate.
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  • CK says:

    And not one word about OBOR initiative.
    Mahan and Mackinder lived in a world where commerce could be controlled from the sea. No national railroads, no interstates, no pipelines no air freight.
    Control the choke points, control the nations dependent on sea trade for whatever was the strategically important import of the time. The World Island is building infrastructure to circumvent the old strategic models. Iran has just announced that it will be building multilane highways through Iraq, Syria and Lebanon to connect Iran to the Mediterranean Sea. And the other end of that road will connect to the OBOR.
    Russia is a part of the OBOR initiative and is also opening year round sea traffic along its north coast. Where the LNG plants are. The plants that will feed China and the rest of the World Island.

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    Commerce will remain overwhelmingly sea based. Long distance rail lines are way too energy inefficient in comparison.

    OBOR is another debt fueled construction scam, like most of China's economy.
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  • Yee says:

    India has military bases in Tajikistan, Seychelles, Madagascar, Mauritius, Bhutan, Nepal, and has treaty with Qatar and Oman for military use of their ports, yet no one utter a word about them.

    But when it comes to China, one base in Djibouti is a problem, while Japan has a military base in the same Djibouti for 10 years, no one said anything.

    Actually, it isn’t very difficult to setup military base overseas, China had several offers in the past. China didn’t take them because there weren’t many overseas interests to protect in the past.

    Since China now intends Africa to be an important market in the future, sea route transport must be protected, starts now. If the US doesn’t like it, pay more taxes to build more warships. If Japan, Australia, India and Philippines are stupid enough to hold up US hegemony at their own cost, it’s their choice.

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  • For the last 500+ years to the present, the ENTIRE WORLD was and is still being invaded, plundered, ransacked, raped, sodomized, pilfered, murdered, mutilated, nations divided, dislocation of millions of people and experimented on with chemical and biological weapons to satisfy the the western (including the japs) congenital trait of excessive greed and hegemonic ambitions.

    With 800 military bases around the world, a coterie of allies (which they called “the international community”), state-of-art weapons systems and an ever increasing “defence” budget to the tune of more than a trillion USD now, the empire is still screaming to the whole world that russia and china threaten its existence.

    One does not need the training of a military strategist to realize that chinese and russian intentions of setting up bases is to protect their own trade routes and interests which they have invested heavily with their own money and resources. A look at the above article at the locations of these bases should be sufficed to convince even the most mentally retarded. The essence of the article was premised on the empire and western supremacy with no regard whatsoever to any other third party whose rights to existence on equal grounds on this planet predate western hegemony by thousands of years.

    Where is it written that only the empire and its handful of dogs have the right to global hegemony?

    If might is right, then china and russia should also exert this their presence through this premise.

    If others cannot be allowed to exist on equal footings, then lets trash this world.

    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

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  • For the last 500+ years to the present, the ENTIRE WORLD was and is still being invaded, plundered, ransacked, raped, sodomized, pilfered, murdered, mutilated, nations divided, dislocation of millions of people and experimented on with chemical and biological weapons to satisfy the the western (including the japs) congenital trait of excessive greed and hegemonic ambitions.

    With 800 military bases around the world, a coterie of allies (which they called “the international community”), state-of-art weapons systems and an ever increasing “defence” budget to the tune of more than a trillion USD now, the empire is still screaming to the whole world that russia and china threaten its existence.

    One does not need the training of a military strategist to realize that chinese and russian intentions of setting up bases is to protect their own trade routes and interests which they have invested heavily with their own money and resources. A look at the above article at the locations of these bases should be sufficed to convince even the most mentally retarded. The essence of the article was premised on the empire and western supremacy with no regard whatsoever to any other third party whose rights to existence on equal grounds on this planet predate western hegemony by thousands of years.

    If might is right, then china and russia should also exert this their presence through this premise.

    Where is it written that only the empire and its handful of dogs have the right to global hegemony?

    If others cannot be allowed to exist on equal footings, then lets trash this world.

    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

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  • As 2017 ended with billionaires toasting their tax cuts and energy executives cheering their unfettered access to federal lands as well as coastal waters, there was one sector of the American elite that did not share in the champagne celebration: Washington’s corps of foreign policy experts. Across the political spectrum, many of them felt a...
  • @peterAUS

    To govern such a world order through the rule of law, Washington also helped establish the International Court of Justice at The Hague
     
    Hahahahaha.......hahaha.......
    Oh man.

    Stopped reading there.

    Whoever can write this just can't be taken as a grown up, let alone a serious writer.

    McCoy must be getting a bit senile.

    Also: “Russia using its sophisticated cyberwarfare capabilities to interfere in the 2016 American presidential campaign —”

    Evidence for this, please. The whole “Russiagate” affair is hollow.

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  • This is an amazingly bad article.

    The General Assembly promptly voted 128 to 9 (with 35 abstentions), to condemn the recognition — eloquent testimony to Washington’s waning international influence.

    The UN vote wasn’t a popularity contest, it was a specific vote on US support for making Jerusalem the capital of Israel (Trump yet again attacking the Palestinians). Sadsack McCoy is lamenting that more nations couldn’t be strong armed/bribed into supporting the US and interprets this as loss of “influence”.

    Starting on the campaign trail in 2016, Trump has also hammered away at another pillar of American power, attacking the system of global commerce and multilateral trade pacts that have long advantaged the country’s transnational corporations.

    “that have long advantaged the country’s transnational corporations” while de-industrializing the US, exporting key industries and losing vital middle class expertise.

    McCoy really needs to submit his articles to the Washington Post and New York Times. They appreciate stuff like this.

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  • Trump’s sin was to scratch the veneer of respectability that covered a lot of ugly truths about the current world order.

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  • To govern such a world order through the rule of law, Washington also helped establish the International Court of Justice at The Hague

    Hahahahaha…….hahaha…….
    Oh man.

    Stopped reading there.

    Whoever can write this just can’t be taken as a grown up, let alone a serious writer.

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    McCoy must be getting a bit senile.

    Also: "Russia using its sophisticated cyberwarfare capabilities to interfere in the 2016 American presidential campaign —"

    Evidence for this, please. The whole "Russiagate" affair is hollow.
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  • Personally, I think Trump is exactly what the world needed. For far too long now, Washington has abused it’s power as the Military/Industrial/Security state has metastasized into a monster not even Ike could have imagined. Since the end of the soviet empire, the USG has been the only threat to world peace, and has managed to keep large portions in turmoil. The world will be a much safer place once the USG is put in it’s place, and a multi-polar world leadership evolves. .

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  • After nine months of confusion, chaos, and cascading tweets, Donald Trump’s White House has finally made one thing crystal clear: the U.S. is staying in Afghanistan to fight and -- so they insist -- win. “The killers need to know they have nowhere to hide, that no place is beyond the reach of American might,”...
  • Interesting read, and it kept bringing me back to what Mr McCoy said in a podcast – regarding Empires like the Nazi, Japan, British etc etc empires. I live in South Africa as the product of the British empires human buffer design of the Border – British Kaffraria zone. I wonder if settlers (with all the cascading long term problems of them) would be the better option in Helmand ?

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  • [This piece has been adapted and expanded from Alfred W. McCoy’s new book, In the Shadows of the American Century: The Rise and Decline of U.S. Global Power.] For the past 50 years, American leaders have been supremely confident that they could suffer military setbacks in places like Cuba or Vietnam without having their system...
  • @Sean
    The US keeping its dominant reserve status may suit the Chinese elite. The idea is that China gets threatened with repudiation and getting nothing, so takes a creditor haircut.

    I don't accept your analogy because suicide become easier when you get close to death but in this case it will get more difficult as the US gets borged into Chinamerica. China will never fight milch cow America. A trade war will slow China down a bit.

    Sooner or later the US is going to try and do something to keep China from overtaking it and the later it is left the more difficult it will be.

    Sooner or later the US is going to try and do something to keep China from overtaking it and the later it is left the more difficult it will be.

    Maybe no one but you, however, subscribes to this severe a doctrine of historical clairvoyance.

    There were those advocating pre-emptive nuclear war against the Soviet Union after the second world war, and their rationale was the same. Didn’t work out that way.

    Nobody sane is going to start a world war based on an impressionistic long-term prediction of outcomes.

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  • @whyamihere
    If the war happened today, China would be annihilated. They better not jump in when we hit North Korea.

    Putin better not invade the Baltics either, or NATO will put a beating on Russia he'll never forget.

    This has a TinyDuck feel.

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  • @El Dato
    I thought the Schlieffen plan was about getting to Paris in a sweeping movement through Belgium, keeping the flanks strong and doing a large-scale encirclement. Context: armies are not mechanized and are transported by train. What does that have to do with anything.

    https://youtu.be/FTupV8o3mW4?t=2835

    The idea was that Russia had the mightier army but would be slower to mobilize. France was weaker but more agile than Russia. Germany relied on superior organization and logistics to beat France to the punch and quickly finish them off before Russia became fully mobilized, then move troops to the eastern front. The plan worked until the Germans got the jitters over the Russian advance towards Tannenberg and weakened their western front to oppose it.

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  • @Joe Wong
    To save the "American" i.e. the WASP-American, the "American" should follow the Catalonian, encircle themselves a piece of land where they are the absoulte majority and declare independence from the USA.

    It would be landlocked, just like Kurdistan.

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  • @SteveRogers42
    Are you on drugs?

    He might be. The unfortunate thing is, a lot of our ruling elite are high on similar drugs.

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  • @Vidi

    Sooner or later the US is going to try and do something to keep China from overtaking it...
     
    Why? An empire doesn't tolerate competitors, but why does the U.S. need to be an empire? Especially as it's becoming very obvious that the costs of the imperium are bankrupting the country -- as they have bankrupted all the previous empires. If the U.S. became a normal country, it would probably be richer than it is now.

    ... to keep China from overtaking it and the later it is left the more difficult it will be.
     
    What can the U.S. do, realistically?

    Remember that the US could not defeat China 60 years ago in Korea. The US may be stronger than it was then, but China's military strength is vastly greater than it was then. The U.S. would lose a war against the Chinese.

    Stealing China's dollars? Remember, China's exposure is only $1 trillion. Losing it all won't hurt them much. But such an epic theft would make all the other countries in the world extremely nervous about the safety of their dollar holdings. The USD would lose its status as the dominant reserve currency, and the U.S. would no longer be able to "buy" goods from abroad with printed money. So China would scarcely notice the theft, and the U.S. would lose big time.

    A trade war? Do you realize how many millions of Americans are barely getting by because of the cheap stuff that the U.S. buys from China? If that stuff became more expensive and those millions of people started starving, would America survive?

    So what else is possible?

    Remember that the US could not defeat China 60 years ago in Korea.

    Actually, it was the PLA that bled itself dry while trying to defeat the UN forces in Korea. China accepted the standing offer for an armistice when the PLA became so weakened that the UN forces could advance north of the 38th parallel. The US accepted the armistice in spite of their new-found ability to advance because of fear of widening the war. Also, Vietnam defeated the PLA quite soundly in the 1979 war, with frontier and reserve units keeping the PLA from achieving any major objective while inflicting disproportionate casualties. But fortunately for China, a land army with great operational capabilities is not necessary to neutralize US striking power with an anti access – area denial strategy. China may indeed win a cyber/standoff confrontation in a way that could compensate for their shortcomings in land and aerial combat capabilities.

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  • @Joe Wong

    "If Washington is right, the future is unclouded, and a fast-rising China can readily be accommodated within the existing Western-defined world order."
     
    This is a totally erroneous statement due to the ignorance of the nature of western culture which is a racist one. As Japanese has proven that despite Japanese is considered as an honorary White by the Western world, but Japanese only qualifies as an unnormal one, as long as the Japanese remains servile to the Western-defined world order and plays the role of appendage, then the Japanese will be accommodated within the existing Western-defined world order. Japanese paid heavily in the Plaza Accord in order to be accommodated within the Western-defined world order, otherwise bombing back to stone age with carpet fire bombing and atomic bombs is the entertainment like in the WWII.

    Japan is never considered a serious challenger by the West to the Western-defined world order due to its inherent limitations, while China has the capacity to replace the Western world order with its own due to its vast resources, deep civilization and rich culture. The West will not dig its own grave by accommodating China within their unilaterally defined racist/caste world order no matter what.

    ….. the nature of western culture which is a racist one.

    The Chinese and Japanese cultures are way more racist than the West. Western racists point to China and Japan as examples of race-centered nationhood that they would like to emulate. Western liberalism provided a basis for saying that racism is a bad thing

    Japan is never considered a serious challenger by the West to the Western-defined world order due to its inherent limitations, while China has the capacity to replace the Western world order with its own due to its vast resources, deep civilization and rich culture.

    Japan thrived by viewing Western culture and selecting, cafeteria style, the aspects of it that they could find useful for them. The Nationalist Revolution in China was led by Western-educated Chinese who saw the imperial traditions of China as something holding them back. One of the symbolic acts of the Nationalists was to cut off the pigtails that symbolized submission to the Emperor. One feature of China’s post-Mao rise is the pragmatic assimilation of Western aspects into their culture, much like the Japanese did over a century before. If the result is something better than both Western and traditional Chinese culture, good for them.

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  • @The Alarmist
    Your ending could use a little tarting-up to make it better doom porn:

    In a final fit of pique at the failure of it's premiere weapons systems to counter the treaherous Chinese cyber attacks, President Chelsea Clinton orders the firing of the tried and true Minuteman III missiles dedicated to the SIOP. It's the only system not succeptible to Chinese cyber attacks. In the end, Washington is a smoking, radiating ruin, but so are Beijing and Moscow, so we can call it a draw.

    Did you know that “doom porn” is an anagram of “poon dorm?”

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  • I think minorities may be holding back American progress.

    In any case, I have little doubt that China loves the development of nuclear weapons by North Korea.
    North Korea is the bad cop while China is the good cop.
    And most people have fallen for this game.

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  • Sooner or later the US is going to try and do something to keep China from overtaking it…

    Why? An empire doesn’t tolerate competitors, but why does the U.S. need to be an empire? Especially as it’s becoming very obvious that the costs of the imperium are bankrupting the country — as they have bankrupted all the previous empires. If the U.S. became a normal country, it would probably be richer than it is now.

    … to keep China from overtaking it and the later it is left the more difficult it will be.

    What can the U.S. do, realistically?

    Remember that the US could not defeat China 60 years ago in Korea. The US may be stronger than it was then, but China’s military strength is vastly greater than it was then. The U.S. would lose a war against the Chinese.

    Stealing China’s dollars? Remember, China’s exposure is only $1 trillion. Losing it all won’t hurt them much. But such an epic theft would make all the other countries in the world extremely nervous about the safety of their dollar holdings. The USD would lose its status as the dominant reserve currency, and the U.S. would no longer be able to “buy” goods from abroad with printed money. So China would scarcely notice the theft, and the U.S. would lose big time.

    A trade war? Do you realize how many millions of Americans are barely getting by because of the cheap stuff that the U.S. buys from China? If that stuff became more expensive and those millions of people started starving, would America survive?

    So what else is possible?

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    Remember that the US could not defeat China 60 years ago in Korea.
     
    Actually, it was the PLA that bled itself dry while trying to defeat the UN forces in Korea. China accepted the standing offer for an armistice when the PLA became so weakened that the UN forces could advance north of the 38th parallel. The US accepted the armistice in spite of their new-found ability to advance because of fear of widening the war. Also, Vietnam defeated the PLA quite soundly in the 1979 war, with frontier and reserve units keeping the PLA from achieving any major objective while inflicting disproportionate casualties. But fortunately for China, a land army with great operational capabilities is not necessary to neutralize US striking power with an anti access - area denial strategy. China may indeed win a cyber/standoff confrontation in a way that could compensate for their shortcomings in land and aerial combat capabilities.
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  • @Vidi

    If the US does nothing it’ll lose reserve currency status anyway as China will turn into a giant-Hong-Kong and dominate the world like the US never could,
     
    Let me see if I understand you. You're saying that the US may as well steal China's dollar holdings, even if the consequent revulsion and catastrophic loss of trust worldwide will cause the US to lose its reserve currency status -- since the USD will lose its status as the dominant reserve currency anyway. Is that what you're saying?

    So basically you are saying that you will die eventually anyway, so you may as well commit suicide now. I don't need to point out the logical holes in that argument, do I?

    The US keeping its dominant reserve status may suit the Chinese elite. The idea is that China gets threatened with repudiation and getting nothing, so takes a creditor haircut.

    I don’t accept your analogy because suicide become easier when you get close to death but in this case it will get more difficult as the US gets borged into Chinamerica. China will never fight milch cow America. A trade war will slow China down a bit.

    Sooner or later the US is going to try and do something to keep China from overtaking it and the later it is left the more difficult it will be.

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    Sooner or later the US is going to try and do something to keep China from overtaking it and the later it is left the more difficult it will be.
     
    Maybe no one but you, however, subscribes to this severe a doctrine of historical clairvoyance.

    There were those advocating pre-emptive nuclear war against the Soviet Union after the second world war, and their rationale was the same. Didn't work out that way.

    Nobody sane is going to start a world war based on an impressionistic long-term prediction of outcomes.
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  • Nothing to scare the elites. Looks like Israel is untouched, and their job is done.

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  • @Anonymous
    The appropriate thing to do is to stop the cancer while we can. The Chinese armory is still weak, and the Russians are exhausted in Syria. A quick campaign simultaneously to liberate Tibet and Crimea will allow us to motivate their people cast off their shackles and show them how weak their oppressors are, creating a future where liberal democracy can thrive and denying their agents a way to steal elections as they did in 2016.

    Are you on drugs?

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    He might be. The unfortunate thing is, a lot of our ruling elite are high on similar drugs.
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  • A third of the human civilisation will become destroyed. and the others will fall back in a stone age time. In the coming conflict there will be only loosers…. there will be almost no food left and people will turn back to canabalism, have to eat each other.. This will reduces the peopulation as never before and this is the short sited view of the elite, because nothing is left for them too.

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  • @Sean
    If the US does nothing it'll lose reserve currency status anyway as China will turn into a giant-Hong-Kong and dominate the world like the US never could,

    If the US does nothing it’ll lose reserve currency status anyway as China will turn into a giant-Hong-Kong and dominate the world like the US never could,

    Let me see if I understand you. You’re saying that the US may as well steal China’s dollar holdings, even if the consequent revulsion and catastrophic loss of trust worldwide will cause the US to lose its reserve currency status — since the USD will lose its status as the dominant reserve currency anyway. Is that what you’re saying?

    So basically you are saying that you will die eventually anyway, so you may as well commit suicide now. I don’t need to point out the logical holes in that argument, do I?

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    The US keeping its dominant reserve status may suit the Chinese elite. The idea is that China gets threatened with repudiation and getting nothing, so takes a creditor haircut.

    I don't accept your analogy because suicide become easier when you get close to death but in this case it will get more difficult as the US gets borged into Chinamerica. China will never fight milch cow America. A trade war will slow China down a bit.

    Sooner or later the US is going to try and do something to keep China from overtaking it and the later it is left the more difficult it will be.

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  • @YetAnotherAnon
    Joe - so in other words you agree with Eamonn Fingleton that the Western globalists are riding for a fall (unfortunately they are taking us with them).

    Eamonn Fingleton is a China hawk and a China fear-monger. He is causing a lot of anxiety in the Washington, and causes a lot of investments from China into USA to create jobs and infrastructure rejuvenation projects being blocked. Eamonn Fingleton believes beggar-thy-neighbour but Chinese believes win-win, building up the USA is a good business for China.

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  • @Issac
    America is no longer made up, in the majority, of Americans so one could scarcely be surprised that it is falling behind China, which is still very much Chinese. How does one produce a superlative scientist, engineer, or military tactician when presented with a cadre of diversity activists dedicated to keeping loyal patriotic legacy Americans from those roles? How does one cultivate a competent geopolitical strategy when their one and only hard-commitment is not to the security of their own nation, but to the security of another state on the other side of the Atlantic?

    I don't know the answers to these questions, but I assume that by 2030 or 2040 there won't be enough people calling themselves "American," to care. Either that or the Americans will win their internal struggle and this will become a non-issue. The suppressed American is still a very fine specimen of humanity. The cruel oligarchs masquerading as "American," elites, are not.

    To save the “American” i.e. the WASP-American, the “American” should follow the Catalonian, encircle themselves a piece of land where they are the absoulte majority and declare independence from the USA.

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    It would be landlocked, just like Kurdistan.
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  • @Anonymous


    A major Russian telecommunications company appears to have begun providing an Internet connection to North Korea. The new link supplements one from China and will provide back-up to Pyongyang at a time the US government is reportedly attacking its Internet infrastructure and pressuring China to end all business with North Korea.
     
    Why aren't we doing more to deal with Russian attempts to subvert us?

    That is so stupid.

    How is the Russian Federation doing that (or allowing a company to do that) ‘subverting’ ‘you’, who feels the need to post as ‘Anonymous’ on it, anyway?

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  • @Sean
    If the US does nothing it'll lose reserve currency status anyway as China will turn into a giant-Hong-Kong and dominate the world like the US never could,

    How do you think the US dollar losing reserve-currency status can be other than a good thing?

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  • @Che Guava
    I am thinking that Mr McCoys scenario is of much interest. If we are to excluding

    DDoS attacks,

    information theft,

    exploitation of weak passwords for theft, etc.,

    I can only thinking of two examples of real 'cyberattacks'.

    The first is the German-Israeli-USA co-production of Stuxnet. It successfully drove centrifuges in Iran to self-destruction.

    It was reliant on a human vector, either a dupe or a traitor in Iran, to place a USB memory device in an offline PC that was controlling the Siemens controllers.

    I would not be at all surprised if the responsible person, whether traitor or dupe, was taken out in the serial Israel-coordinated campaign to murder many Persian physicists.

    The military and bureaucracy of Japan were notoriously bad for 'net security, commander of a submarine even to installing public-domain file-sharing software on the boat (many more such cases of stupidity).

    Stuxnet was rife in Japan at the time of the 2013 quake, and I am not asserting this, but it *may* have had a connection with the failsafes at Fukushima number 1 all failing. Not an assertion, but the reactors were also controlled by Siemens numerical controllers. Nobody that is knowing can saying a word (least of all, if had a role, the idiot to plugging in a virus-infested USB memory device with an auto-boot file).

    More relevant to Mr. McCoy's essay, the Iranian military took control of a USA military drone, brought it down without much damage, just by using signals. Pretty brilliant. That is a recent and concrete example of what Mr. McCoy is suggesting, even if he is to confusing EM spectra at times, there (that Iranian action) is proof of concept.

    Self-reply for correction.

    2011 quake.

    The nightmare!

    Was only saved from death that day by feeling bad on awaking, so not to do what I had planned, riding the local lines on the coast. Some trains and even stations were washed away.

    Enough off-topic, but it was traumatic and deadly for many (tens of thousands), oddly forgotten.

    Like most, used to even fairly strong tremors. panic when they come now,

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  • @Sean
    If the US does nothing it'll lose reserve currency status anyway as China will turn into a giant-Hong-Kong and dominate the world like the US never could,

    Threaten to. Trump has done it more than once in his business career, and he got concessions too.

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  • @Vidi
    First of all, China's exposure to U.S. thievery is only about $1 trillion. China can afford to lose it all.

    Secondly, after this theft, anybody would be totally stupid to buy treasury bonds from such an untrustworthy seller. What will happen to the U.S.'s reserve currency status when nobody wants a dollar?

    If the US does nothing it’ll lose reserve currency status anyway as China will turn into a giant-Hong-Kong and dominate the world like the US never could,

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    Threaten to. Trump has done it more than once in his business career, and he got concessions too.
    , @Che Guava
    How do you think the US dollar losing reserve-currency status can be other than a good thing?
    , @Vidi

    If the US does nothing it’ll lose reserve currency status anyway as China will turn into a giant-Hong-Kong and dominate the world like the US never could,
     
    Let me see if I understand you. You're saying that the US may as well steal China's dollar holdings, even if the consequent revulsion and catastrophic loss of trust worldwide will cause the US to lose its reserve currency status -- since the USD will lose its status as the dominant reserve currency anyway. Is that what you're saying?

    So basically you are saying that you will die eventually anyway, so you may as well commit suicide now. I don't need to point out the logical holes in that argument, do I?
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    A major Russian telecommunications company appears to have begun providing an Internet connection to North Korea. The new link supplements one from China and will provide back-up to Pyongyang at a time the US government is reportedly attacking its Internet infrastructure and pressuring China to end all business with North Korea.

    Why aren’t we doing more to deal with Russian attempts to subvert us?

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    That is so stupid.

    How is the Russian Federation doing that (or allowing a company to do that) 'subverting' 'you', who feels the need to post as 'Anonymous' on it, anyway?
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  • I am thinking that Mr McCoys scenario is of much interest. If we are to excluding

    DDoS attacks,

    information theft,

    exploitation of weak passwords for theft, etc.,

    I can only thinking of two examples of real ‘cyberattacks’.

    The first is the German-Israeli-USA co-production of Stuxnet. It successfully drove centrifuges in Iran to self-destruction.

    It was reliant on a human vector, either a dupe or a traitor in Iran, to place a USB memory device in an offline PC that was controlling the Siemens controllers.

    I would not be at all surprised if the responsible person, whether traitor or dupe, was taken out in the serial Israel-coordinated campaign to murder many Persian physicists.

    The military and bureaucracy of Japan were notoriously bad for ‘net security, commander of a submarine even to installing public-domain file-sharing software on the boat (many more such cases of stupidity).

    Stuxnet was rife in Japan at the time of the 2013 quake, and I am not asserting this, but it *may* have had a connection with the failsafes at Fukushima number 1 all failing. Not an assertion, but the reactors were also controlled by Siemens numerical controllers. Nobody that is knowing can saying a word (least of all, if had a role, the idiot to plugging in a virus-infested USB memory device with an auto-boot file).

    More relevant to Mr. McCoy’s essay, the Iranian military took control of a USA military drone, brought it down without much damage, just by using signals. Pretty brilliant. That is a recent and concrete example of what Mr. McCoy is suggesting, even if he is to confusing EM spectra at times, there (that Iranian action) is proof of concept.

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    Self-reply for correction.

    2011 quake.

    The nightmare!

    Was only saved from death that day by feeling bad on awaking, so not to do what I had planned, riding the local lines on the coast. Some trains and even stations were washed away.

    Enough off-topic, but it was traumatic and deadly for many (tens of thousands), oddly forgotten.

    Like most, used to even fairly strong tremors. panic when they come now,
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Vidi

    What would happen if we raised tariffs dramatically? Would this not be a windfall to the US government by essentially taxing Western consumers? How would the Chinese economy fair [sic]?
     
    China would suffer, but not too much. Only 18.3 percent of their exports go to the U.S. (http://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas-top-import-partners/). However, the $388 billion going to the U.S. is only the nominal amount; due to something called "transfer pricing", China actually earns much less than that. A company might buy a pair of shoes for $5 in China and sell it for $100 in the U.S. (it's an example, so I made up the numbers, though something like this is common). The trade is registered as a $100 surplus in China's favor, but China only earns $5 from it. Therefore, if they lose this trade they will suffer, but not too much.

    Meanwhile, if the U.S. tariffs stopped all imports from China, the shelves of Walmart (e.g.) would be practically empty -- for years. Millions of Americans, who are already on the brink, will be destroyed if the prices of their daily necessities go way up. If the U.S. only experienced riots as a consequence, it would be lucky; a violent revolution would be very possible.

    The simple truth is that China can live without the US but vice versa is not true. Most Americans believe otherwise, but its simply not realistic with how the world is at the moment. The US could probably rebuild its manufacturing capability in 4-7 years but unlike the Japanese, there’s no evidence that Americans would be willing to suffer anything close to that in order to regain self-sufficiency.

    This makes almost everything else just shadowboxing. The West has already lost, more or less, they just can’t come to grips with it and lash out with various manias. But they’re built on, at this point, rotting wood and can’t really escape this construction.

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  • @Vidi

    What would happen if we raised tariffs dramatically? Would this not be a windfall to the US government by essentially taxing Western consumers? How would the Chinese economy fair [sic]?
     
    China would suffer, but not too much. Only 18.3 percent of their exports go to the U.S. (http://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas-top-import-partners/). However, the $388 billion going to the U.S. is only the nominal amount; due to something called "transfer pricing", China actually earns much less than that. A company might buy a pair of shoes for $5 in China and sell it for $100 in the U.S. (it's an example, so I made up the numbers, though something like this is common). The trade is registered as a $100 surplus in China's favor, but China only earns $5 from it. Therefore, if they lose this trade they will suffer, but not too much.

    Meanwhile, if the U.S. tariffs stopped all imports from China, the shelves of Walmart (e.g.) would be practically empty -- for years. Millions of Americans, who are already on the brink, will be destroyed if the prices of their daily necessities go way up. If the U.S. only experienced riots as a consequence, it would be lucky; a violent revolution would be very possible.

    the $388 billion going to the U.S. is only the nominal amount

    Oops, I meant to say “the $388 billion of goods going to the U.S. is only the nominal amount”. That is, the manufactured goods that China sent to the U.S. last year was nominally worth $388 billion — but due to transfer pricing, China actually earned much less than that. Therefore, if the U.S. completely cuts off trade with China, China will lose some income, but nowhere near $388 billion a year.

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  • @Issac
    America is no longer made up, in the majority, of Americans so one could scarcely be surprised that it is falling behind China, which is still very much Chinese. How does one produce a superlative scientist, engineer, or military tactician when presented with a cadre of diversity activists dedicated to keeping loyal patriotic legacy Americans from those roles? How does one cultivate a competent geopolitical strategy when their one and only hard-commitment is not to the security of their own nation, but to the security of another state on the other side of the Atlantic?

    I don't know the answers to these questions, but I assume that by 2030 or 2040 there won't be enough people calling themselves "American," to care. Either that or the Americans will win their internal struggle and this will become a non-issue. The suppressed American is still a very fine specimen of humanity. The cruel oligarchs masquerading as "American," elites, are not.

    From my experience and reading of Americans (except the stupider of tough-guy milit. and civ. types in places in and near Tokyo that I avoid).

    I even sat next to a giant soldier in plain clothes, or contractor, or CIA, on a flight to Korea, his post-911 dest. was, I would guess, Afghanistan. He sure was not going to join the US colonial forces in RoK. When I saw him in the seat next to mine, I was thinking ‘Oh no’, but we had very pleasant conversation on the short flight, and he was careful to controlling his bulk.

    He was even to showing me his special mobile phone, but of course, vague about its functions, was explaining a little.

    Not an evil person, I would be guessing from speech, from a ‘flyover’ place.

    I would also guessing that his mission was, at best, of dubious or no real worth.

    Nowhere in Afghanistan success (excepting massive opium exports, yay, yay, USA), and only to continuing Project Mayhem in Iraq and Syria.

    I agree that you have a point. However, the erosion of them by the factors you are naming, seems to be ascendant, and not as if I am agreeing with any of USA foreign policy, the big shame that Trump is too vain to do anything about his better promises, and USA left is so screwed up that you seem to have more and more stupidity, I saw a photo of a meeting of a group of US Army, I think, tranny male officers, may have been cross-service, they all looked terrible. Didn’t bother to trying to look like anything but men with stocky legs and bad wigs, but USA taxpayers paid for their surgical mutilation.

    The stupid ‘traning’ where male soldiers are having to wear pregnancy simulators or looking stupid in high-heels that they don’t want to wear, the rate of women who join only to have subsidised pregnancies, the breakdown in discipline with the range extended from male homosexuals and ‘have sex with anything that moves’ types, as earlier, to competition by heterosexual men and homosexual women for the more attractive women, it is making the USA armed forces looking like a joke.

    Am still having a separate reply to the article. It will follow, if I am not sleeping first.

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  • Permanent Normal Trade Relations, May 2000 with the ChiComs courtesy of Commie Clinton and the traitors of the 106th CON-gress, gave us the demise of the USA and the rise of Red China.

    Renounce PNTR. Then put a freakin’ 200% tariff on everything coming from Red China. Make AMERICAN manufacturing great again !

    Simple.

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  • @TG
    An interesting post.

    However. "Over the longer term, the American education system, that critical source of future scientists and innovators, has been falling behind its competitors."

    Excuse me.

    1. The source of future scientists and engineers in the United States will be places like India - not because they have such wonderful educational systems (the literacy rate in India is still about 50%), but because there are so many desperate hungry people there, that even the smartest can be forced to work for cheap. And no, we're not importing Indians because Americans aren't doing science - Americans aren't doing science because they are being crowded out of the field. The American educational system is not relevant any more. Who cares? Certainly not our elites.

    2. Innovation follows industry. When we've shipped all our industries to China, where do you think future technological innovations will be made? Where the technology is!

    The core problem is that the American elites just no longer care about the United States. Nations are obsolete. Why bother to build up our own infrastructure and industries and human capital, when I can have it cheaper from overseas now?

    One is reminded of Alexander Hamilton, like most pre-1970 Americans an ardent protectionist, asking who would console themselves with the loss of an arm with the thought that they could buy their shirts for 40% cheaper? Well, our current US elites, that's who.

    The source of future scientists and engineers in the United States will be places like India – not because they have such wonderful educational systems (the literacy rate in India is still about 50%), but because there are so many desperate hungry people there, that even the smartest can be forced to work for cheap. And no, we’re not importing Indians because Americans aren’t doing science – Americans aren’t doing science because they are being crowded out of the field. The American educational system is not relevant any more. Who cares? Certainly not our elites.

    The problem is, what if India turns hostile? Will the U.S. be able to import their best people? If not, what will happen to the U.S.’s technological lead if it’s no longer educating enough engineers?

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  • @Mark Presco
    I am no expert, but as far as I know, the Chinese economy is still utterly dependant upon manufacturing for Western consumerism. Despite trying to shift to local consumption, their economy is so precarious that it would suffer greatly without massive exporting.

    What would happen if we raised tariffs dramatically? Would this not be a windfall to the US government by essentially taxing Western consumers? How would the Chinese economy fair?

    I really don’t think the Chinese want to mess with their cash cow.

    What would happen if we raised tariffs dramatically? Would this not be a windfall to the US government by essentially taxing Western consumers? How would the Chinese economy fair [sic]?

    China would suffer, but not too much. Only 18.3 percent of their exports go to the U.S. (http://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas-top-import-partners/). However, the $388 billion going to the U.S. is only the nominal amount; due to something called “transfer pricing”, China actually earns much less than that. A company might buy a pair of shoes for $5 in China and sell it for $100 in the U.S. (it’s an example, so I made up the numbers, though something like this is common). The trade is registered as a $100 surplus in China’s favor, but China only earns $5 from it. Therefore, if they lose this trade they will suffer, but not too much.

    Meanwhile, if the U.S. tariffs stopped all imports from China, the shelves of Walmart (e.g.) would be practically empty — for years. Millions of Americans, who are already on the brink, will be destroyed if the prices of their daily necessities go way up. If the U.S. only experienced riots as a consequence, it would be lucky; a violent revolution would be very possible.

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    the $388 billion going to the U.S. is only the nominal amount
     
    Oops, I meant to say "the $388 billion of goods going to the U.S. is only the nominal amount". That is, the manufactured goods that China sent to the U.S. last year was nominally worth $388 billion -- but due to transfer pricing, China actually earned much less than that. Therefore, if the U.S. completely cuts off trade with China, China will lose some income, but nowhere near $388 billion a year.
    , @Anonymous
    The simple truth is that China can live without the US but vice versa is not true. Most Americans believe otherwise, but its simply not realistic with how the world is at the moment. The US could probably rebuild its manufacturing capability in 4-7 years but unlike the Japanese, there's no evidence that Americans would be willing to suffer anything close to that in order to regain self-sufficiency.

    This makes almost everything else just shadowboxing. The West has already lost, more or less, they just can't come to grips with it and lash out with various manias. But they're built on, at this point, rotting wood and can't really escape this construction.

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  • @map
    I am admittedly confused by this.

    A computer operates as a binary system, 0 and 1. Each state is represented by two distinct voltages on a CPU. One may be 1.6 volts represents a "0" and 2.1 volts represents a "1." By "quantum computing" I am assuming a computer that can maintain the 0/1 binary state simultaneously. So, for a 64 bit operating system, a quantum computer operates in 4^64 bit space as opposed to a conventional computer operating in a 2^64 bit space.

    Am I close?

    Not really. If you don’t have a physics background this does a pretty good job explaining things.

    http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-talk-3

    Reasonably humorous too.

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  • @YetAnotherAnon
    Joe - so in other words you agree with Eamonn Fingleton that the Western globalists are riding for a fall (unfortunately they are taking us with them).

    Find out what Kissinger has been up to in China recently, before Bannon supposedly brought Kissinger on board… to… LMAO… defeat the globalists and defeat China.

    One hint: Washington needs to acknowledge that “the world’s centre of gravity” is shifting

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  • @map
    In event of the war, the internet is cutoff from the rest of the world...just like the GPS.

    In event of the war, the internet is cutoff from the rest of the world…just like the GPS.

    Well, the whole of the US military should disconnect from the Internet when war starts, but how do you know that some machines in the military’s internal network aren’t already compromised?

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  • @Vidi

    Time to strike while the opportunity is still there to stop the rising totalitarian powers of the world and give their people a chance for actual freedom in a rule-based world.
     
    You sound like Kaiser Wilhelm just before World War I: "strike the Russians before they become too strong". The outcome was that the Kaiser lost the war, his empire, and his life.

    With most of Europe, including a majority of the humiliated Germans, demanding Wilhelm’s head…..the old coot was allowed to escape to the Netherlands where he was protected and lived in relative luxury until his death of natural causes in 1941 at the age of 82.

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  • @The Alarmist
    I dunno ... I always thought logarithms were pretty brute force. It's how we got to the moon without the HP-29. Going off on another tangent, I doubt it will be hard to find a neocon willing to sine the check for this war at that point, but the American people will likely be on a higher plane after two decades of war and won't necessarily be willing co-siners.

    I dunno … I always thought logarithms were pretty brute force. It’s how we got to the moon without the HP-29. Going off on another tangent, I doubt it will be hard to find a neocon willing to sine the check for this war at that point, but the American people will likely be on a higher plane after two decades of war and won’t necessarily be willing co-siners.

    Superb!

    Highly functional, too.

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  • @john clark
    [Pick a single Handle and stick to it, or use Anonymous/Anon]

    No prob, U.S has the top 5% Super creative IQ bell curve and the Ashkenazim, China has a bunch of high IQ machines, incapable of doing anything but memorize.
    Remember WW2? Japan had a 5 point IQ advantage over America, but White and Jewish creativity killed 200,000 Japanese in 5 seconds.

    But how do you also kill the Russians too at the same time?

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  • @El Dato
    Actually, the interest lies in creating "entangled particles" (in this case, photons): These behave as a single quantum system in spite of them being separated in space (or even time). Getting a classical bit out of one element of the entangled pair means that any extraction of a classical bit out of the other element of the pair will yield a known outcome. After that, the entanglement is broken, the pair is burnt, so to say. A 0 bit in Beijing will mean a 1 bit in Chengdu and conversely. This gives you a nice stream of correlated random numbers. Added benefit is someone reading the classical bit before you will destroy the entanglement, so Chengdu will read a random 0 or 1 - thus eavesdropping can be detected easily.

    Now encrypt your message using the random but correlated stream of bits and send the encrypted message by usual means (e.g. telephone). Voilà - impossible to crack, eavesdrop-secure, encrypted channel.

    I am admittedly confused by this.

    A computer operates as a binary system, 0 and 1. Each state is represented by two distinct voltages on a CPU. One may be 1.6 volts represents a “0″ and 2.1 volts represents a “1.” By “quantum computing” I am assuming a computer that can maintain the 0/1 binary state simultaneously. So, for a 64 bit operating system, a quantum computer operates in 4^64 bit space as opposed to a conventional computer operating in a 2^64 bit space.

    Am I close?

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    Not really. If you don't have a physics background this does a pretty good job explaining things.

    http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-talk-3

    Reasonably humorous too.
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  • @Vidi
    Only if you know it's coming from China. Some botnets have hundreds of thousands of infected computers all over the world; it would be trivial for the Chinese cyberwarriors to launch their attacks from the slave machines.

    In event of the war, the internet is cutoff from the rest of the world…just like the GPS.

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    In event of the war, the internet is cutoff from the rest of the world…just like the GPS.
     
    Well, the whole of the US military should disconnect from the Internet when war starts, but how do you know that some machines in the military's internal network aren't already compromised?
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  • The problem is the clash between the “Real” owner of the US, the Neocon, whom are as nasty are the new comers.

    Then, if and only if ,the US didn’t harass every single country as is been doing for the last 150 years, eventually, other countries would not dare about the US itself.

    Just get a job!

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  • [Pick a single Handle and stick to it, or use Anonymous/Anon]

    No prob, U.S has the top 5% Super creative IQ bell curve and the Ashkenazim, China has a bunch of high IQ machines, incapable of doing anything but memorize.
    Remember WW2? Japan had a 5 point IQ advantage over America, but White and Jewish creativity killed 200,000 Japanese in 5 seconds.

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    But how do you also kill the Russians too at the same time?
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  • @The Alarmist
    Your ending could use a little tarting-up to make it better doom porn:

    In a final fit of pique at the failure of it's premiere weapons systems to counter the treaherous Chinese cyber attacks, President Chelsea Clinton orders the firing of the tried and true Minuteman III missiles dedicated to the SIOP. It's the only system not succeptible to Chinese cyber attacks. In the end, Washington is a smoking, radiating ruin, but so are Beijing and Moscow, so we can call it a draw.

    Except the russkies and China’s have been preparing for years for this Armageddon scenario, they have bomb shelters for great numbers of their population. Do we?

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  • An interesting post.

    However. “Over the longer term, the American education system, that critical source of future scientists and innovators, has been falling behind its competitors.”

    Excuse me.

    1. The source of future scientists and engineers in the United States will be places like India – not because they have such wonderful educational systems (the literacy rate in India is still about 50%), but because there are so many desperate hungry people there, that even the smartest can be forced to work for cheap. And no, we’re not importing Indians because Americans aren’t doing science – Americans aren’t doing science because they are being crowded out of the field. The American educational system is not relevant any more. Who cares? Certainly not our elites.

    2. Innovation follows industry. When we’ve shipped all our industries to China, where do you think future technological innovations will be made? Where the technology is!

    The core problem is that the American elites just no longer care about the United States. Nations are obsolete. Why bother to build up our own infrastructure and industries and human capital, when I can have it cheaper from overseas now?

    One is reminded of Alexander Hamilton, like most pre-1970 Americans an ardent protectionist, asking who would console themselves with the loss of an arm with the thought that they could buy their shirts for 40% cheaper? Well, our current US elites, that’s who.

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    The source of future scientists and engineers in the United States will be places like India – not because they have such wonderful educational systems (the literacy rate in India is still about 50%), but because there are so many desperate hungry people there, that even the smartest can be forced to work for cheap. And no, we’re not importing Indians because Americans aren’t doing science – Americans aren’t doing science because they are being crowded out of the field. The American educational system is not relevant any more. Who cares? Certainly not our elites.
     
    The problem is, what if India turns hostile? Will the U.S. be able to import their best people? If not, what will happen to the U.S.'s technological lead if it's no longer educating enough engineers?
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  • @Anonymous
    This advantage may not last forever. Time to strike while the opportunity is still there to stop the rising totalitarian powers of the world and give their people a chance for actual freedom in a rule-based world.

    Time to strike while the opportunity is still there to stop the rising totalitarian powers of the world and give their people a chance for actual freedom in a rule-based world.

    You sound like Kaiser Wilhelm just before World War I: “strike the Russians before they become too strong”. The outcome was that the Kaiser lost the war, his empire, and his life.

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    With most of Europe, including a majority of the humiliated Germans, demanding Wilhelm's head.....the old coot was allowed to escape to the Netherlands where he was protected and lived in relative luxury until his death of natural causes in 1941 at the age of 82.
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  • @map
    The point is, you can filter anything coming from China out at the transport layer.

    Only if you know it’s coming from China. Some botnets have hundreds of thousands of infected computers all over the world; it would be trivial for the Chinese cyberwarriors to launch their attacks from the slave machines.

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    In event of the war, the internet is cutoff from the rest of the world...just like the GPS.
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  • @map
    The Chinese built a proprietary network. Of course it cannot be hacked. Nothing can communicate with it. Likewise, this network cannot communicate with anything using standard hardware and software protocols.

    It's secure because it is obscure.

    I also don;t understand this photonic element. My guess it is beaming light through the air instead of fiber optics. But does this require line-of-sight? Probably.

    So, the advantage is that it moves at light speed, but it requires line-of-sight.

    So, the advantage is that it moves at light speed, but it requires line-of-sight.

    That’s why the satellites are so important. With only a few of the Chinese quantum satellites in orbit, all the world will be in line of sight of at least one of them.

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  • @Sean
    Trump could threaten to repudiate the debt held by China. He has hinted at this.

    First of all, China’s exposure to U.S. thievery is only about $1 trillion. China can afford to lose it all.

    Secondly, after this theft, anybody would be totally stupid to buy treasury bonds from such an untrustworthy seller. What will happen to the U.S.’s reserve currency status when nobody wants a dollar?

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    If the US does nothing it'll lose reserve currency status anyway as China will turn into a giant-Hong-Kong and dominate the world like the US never could,
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  • @Astuteobservor II
    the last half of this article reads like one of those retarded tom clancy novels. but a chinese version.

    especially the part about the chinese response to an attempted nuke of a chinese strategic base. the proper response would be china nuking all american bases around it's periphery. that means nuclear war. this is also why I think all the countries that allows an american military base on their soil is retarded beyond help.

    china has learned it's lesson very well. being rich without protection = a "fat pig about to be slaughter." they have learned. hell, even the NK fat boy kim learned this lesson. you think china is more stupid than him?

    You are correct. The world saw what happened to Iraq and Libya when both tried to make nice with the US. Both were bombed and ruined by the US and NATO proxies.

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  • @whyamihere
    If the war happened today, China would be annihilated. They better not jump in when we hit North Korea.

    Putin better not invade the Baltics either, or NATO will put a beating on Russia he'll never forget.

    The USSR quit the negative economic growth Baltic states in 1991. The US- through its NATO proxy army alliance- occupies them and now oversees their decline. China and NK have a mutual defense treaty signed in 1961. If the US maniacs attack NK, they will have to fight both countries while the world economy crashes as a result.

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  • @whyamihere
    If the war happened today, China would be annihilated. They better not jump in when we hit North Korea.

    Putin better not invade the Baltics either, or NATO will put a beating on Russia he'll never forget.

    Baltics: Better go look at a map pal. The Kalingrad Oblat is being turned into a southern assault point. It does two things: A) Neutralizes the Poles, if they are smart. B) Provides the southern flank of a very large pincher movement. Support by air? Pfffft. They will be eliminated by the time they clear Swedish airspace.

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  • With its growing resources, Beijing has been laying claim to an arc of islands and waters from Korea to Indonesia long dominated by the U.S. Navy. In August 2010, after Washington expressed a “national interest” in the South China Sea and conducted naval exercises there to reinforce the claim, Beijing’s Global Timesresponded angrily that “the U.S.-China wrestling match over the South China Sea issue has raised the stakes in deciding who the real future of the planet will be.”

    This is a red herring since China has learned to harvest frozen methane from the sea bottom in the region. They have also began construction of naval bases in Djibouti and Pakistan to protect the Belt and Road initiative. Combine with Russia’s naval facility in Syria and all bases are covered.

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

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  • @Reactionary Utopian

    Meanwhile, an armada of bigger, faster supercomputers slaved to Shanghai’s cyberwarfare Unit 61398 blasts back with impenetrable logarithms of unprecedented subtlety and sophistication ...
     
    Oh, God, no! Not an impenetrable logarithm!

    Okay, that's it! Them Chink bastards is a-askin' for it! We'll have to come back with a rocket-powered hyperbolic cosecant! An impregnable one at that!

    Geeez, where'd this chucklehead come from, anyway?

    I dunno … I always thought logarithms were pretty brute force. It’s how we got to the moon without the HP-29. Going off on another tangent, I doubt it will be hard to find a neocon willing to sine the check for this war at that point, but the American people will likely be on a higher plane after two decades of war and won’t necessarily be willing co-siners.

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    I dunno … I always thought logarithms were pretty brute force. It’s how we got to the moon without the HP-29. Going off on another tangent, I doubt it will be hard to find a neocon willing to sine the check for this war at that point, but the American people will likely be on a higher plane after two decades of war and won’t necessarily be willing co-siners.
     
    Superb!

    Highly functional, too.
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  • @Father O'Hara
    Our dear black people would suffer? How terrible!

    Misery loves company. You really feel that secure?

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  • @El Dato
    I thought the Schlieffen plan was about getting to Paris in a sweeping movement through Belgium, keeping the flanks strong and doing a large-scale encirclement. Context: armies are not mechanized and are transported by train. What does that have to do with anything.

    https://youtu.be/FTupV8o3mW4?t=2835

    Hillary’s boy, Kenny, has no clue.

    He talks because he has a mouth.

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  • @alexander
    Dear Mr. Mccoy,

    This was a good read. Thank you.

    I especially enjoyed all the sorted "thrusts and parry's" within the cyber arena.

    Good stuff.

    Lots of drama.

    The larger conclusion one can draw from it is that we all living in the age of the imbecile.

    We are governed and ruled by war making imbeciles.

    Can anyone imagine where we would be today, if the tens of trillions we have used up fashioning quickly obsolete war devices, were used on joint missions to mars, or super sensitive orbital satellite telescopes ?

    How many space stations on the moon could we have by now ?

    How many "earth like" planets could we have found .....ten ?....a hundred ?

    Is there any doubt we would have found "Life as we know it", by now, if even a tenth of the money we have spent bombing people who never attacked us,was sequestered toward that cause ?

    May there be no doubt about it, we live in the age of the "war making imbecile".

    Elon Musk statist BS.

    Your idea is to merely move the money from one government entity to another government entity and Eureka! Paradise!

    Yeah boy, NASA is lean machine free of politics.

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  • @Sean
    Trump could threaten to repudiate the debt held by China. He has hinted at this.

    He should repudiate the debt held by Saudi Arabia….

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  • @map
    The Chinese built a proprietary network. Of course it cannot be hacked. Nothing can communicate with it. Likewise, this network cannot communicate with anything using standard hardware and software protocols.

    It's secure because it is obscure.

    I also don;t understand this photonic element. My guess it is beaming light through the air instead of fiber optics. But does this require line-of-sight? Probably.

    So, the advantage is that it moves at light speed, but it requires line-of-sight.

    Actually, the interest lies in creating “entangled particles” (in this case, photons): These behave as a single quantum system in spite of them being separated in space (or even time). Getting a classical bit out of one element of the entangled pair means that any extraction of a classical bit out of the other element of the pair will yield a known outcome. After that, the entanglement is broken, the pair is burnt, so to say. A 0 bit in Beijing will mean a 1 bit in Chengdu and conversely. This gives you a nice stream of correlated random numbers. Added benefit is someone reading the classical bit before you will destroy the entanglement, so Chengdu will read a random 0 or 1 – thus eavesdropping can be detected easily.

    Now encrypt your message using the random but correlated stream of bits and send the encrypted message by usual means (e.g. telephone). Voilà – impossible to crack, eavesdrop-secure, encrypted channel.

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    I am admittedly confused by this.

    A computer operates as a binary system, 0 and 1. Each state is represented by two distinct voltages on a CPU. One may be 1.6 volts represents a "0" and 2.1 volts represents a "1." By "quantum computing" I am assuming a computer that can maintain the 0/1 binary state simultaneously. So, for a 64 bit operating system, a quantum computer operates in 4^64 bit space as opposed to a conventional computer operating in a 2^64 bit space.

    Am I close?
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  • Meanwhile, an armada of bigger, faster supercomputers slaved to Shanghai’s cyberwarfare Unit 61398 blasts back with impenetrable logarithms of unprecedented subtlety and sophistication …

    Oh, God, no! Not an impenetrable logarithm!

    Okay, that’s it! Them Chink bastards is a-askin’ for it! We’ll have to come back with a rocket-powered hyperbolic cosecant! An impregnable one at that!

    Geeez, where’d this chucklehead come from, anyway?

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    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    I dunno ... I always thought logarithms were pretty brute force. It's how we got to the moon without the HP-29. Going off on another tangent, I doubt it will be hard to find a neocon willing to sine the check for this war at that point, but the American people will likely be on a higher plane after two decades of war and won't necessarily be willing co-siners.
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  • @El Dato

    you can have the BIND servers block the entire Chinese IP space, rendering Chinese access to American digital infrastructure moot.
     
    Dude, "BIND servers" (more like, DNS servers running the Bind daemon, is that old piece of code still in use?) are not "blocking an IP space", the best they can do is give no answer to a DNS lookup.

    So you couldn't resolve "scada-stuff.energy.gov" to 123.123.123.444

    But you could still feel around 123.123.123.444 directly.

    Unless there is a firewall.

    I wouldn't even worry about anything "public Internet", anyone who puts his gear on it accessible to all comers, as opposed to firewalling it off an maybe even using totally invisble private networks clearly grades convenience over security, thus trouble is in the package.

    The point is, you can filter anything coming from China out at the transport layer.

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    Only if you know it's coming from China. Some botnets have hundreds of thousands of infected computers all over the world; it would be trivial for the Chinese cyberwarriors to launch their attacks from the slave machines.
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  • @Anonymous
    Not completely irrelevant. Entangled transmissions, implementation details aside, are just another tool for building a secure network. For example, the knowledge of whether or not the transmission was intercepted is useful in preventing a mitm attack. Your RSA example suffers from this. I'm surprised you disagree with it's utility.

    I agree with the utility. But it’s not a game changer.

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  • True as it may be that the future correlation of forces will have become unfavourable to the US by 2030, it does not seem much of an argument against–at the very least–attempts to slow down China’s economic growth.

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  • @El Dato
    Completely irrelevant.

    Totally standard downloadable-for-free-from-the-Internet RSA-based cryptograpy cannot be "breached or hacked" either, and it is even practically safe from quickly-factorizing quantum computers (if these eventually turn out to be possible, which is as yet an uncertain proposition) if you choose a large enough key.

    It cannot be used for much of high-bandwidth communication either.

    In other words: a good demo, China, please do go on.

    It's not a "quantum satellite" either, it's just a standard satellite that bounces light around that has been passed through a beam splitter.

    Now, actually correct implementations of crypto and good OpSec are something else entirely.

    Not completely irrelevant. Entangled transmissions, implementation details aside, are just another tool for building a secure network. For example, the knowledge of whether or not the transmission was intercepted is useful in preventing a mitm attack. Your RSA example suffers from this. I’m surprised you disagree with it’s utility.

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    I agree with the utility. But it's not a game changer.
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  • @The Alarmist
    As long as the kill/block switches (the BIND servers) don't have Chinese chips. The more interesting battle will be between all the Chinese Trojan bots embedded in all the devices in the US versus the NSA back-door bots embedded in their firmware.

    It’s not difficult to examine firmware for any malware available.

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  • @Robert Magill
    "BEIJING, Sept. 29 (Xinhua) -- A 2,000-km quantum communication line opened on Friday between Beijing and Shanghai.

    The line is the world's first trunk line of secure quantum telecommunications. The Jing-Hu (Beijing-Shanghai) Trunk Line connects Beijing, Jinan, Hefei, and Shanghai.

    The line is connected with the world's first quantum satellite, which was launched by China in August last year, through a station in Beijing. The satellite is nicknamed "Micius," after a fifth century B.C. Chinese philosopher and scientist who has been credited as the first one in human history conducting optical experiments."

    This cannot be breached or hacked.
    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

    The Chinese built a proprietary network. Of course it cannot be hacked. Nothing can communicate with it. Likewise, this network cannot communicate with anything using standard hardware and software protocols.

    It’s secure because it is obscure.

    I also don;t understand this photonic element. My guess it is beaming light through the air instead of fiber optics. But does this require line-of-sight? Probably.

    So, the advantage is that it moves at light speed, but it requires line-of-sight.

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    Actually, the interest lies in creating "entangled particles" (in this case, photons): These behave as a single quantum system in spite of them being separated in space (or even time). Getting a classical bit out of one element of the entangled pair means that any extraction of a classical bit out of the other element of the pair will yield a known outcome. After that, the entanglement is broken, the pair is burnt, so to say. A 0 bit in Beijing will mean a 1 bit in Chengdu and conversely. This gives you a nice stream of correlated random numbers. Added benefit is someone reading the classical bit before you will destroy the entanglement, so Chengdu will read a random 0 or 1 - thus eavesdropping can be detected easily.

    Now encrypt your message using the random but correlated stream of bits and send the encrypted message by usual means (e.g. telephone). Voilà - impossible to crack, eavesdrop-secure, encrypted channel.
    , @Vidi

    So, the advantage is that it moves at light speed, but it requires line-of-sight.
     
    That's why the satellites are so important. With only a few of the Chinese quantum satellites in orbit, all the world will be in line of sight of at least one of them.
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  • @another fred
    People who think that all US technical capability is publicly known are not talking to the same people I talk to (NO, I don't know any secrets). The RAND paper was a warning for public consumption, not a prediction.

    The history professor may also need to check into some economics. There are going to be plenty of changes on both sides of the Pacific before too long that will do some pretty serious shuffling of the deck.

    It's a slim reed to grasp in the flood, but I think it is not unreasonable to hope that the destructiveness of nukes will keep us from each other's throats. The wild card in the deck is biotech that will soon be available to non-state actors.

    After the debt bomb goes off there are going to be more than a few "leaders" in the world who might not mind being relieved of the burdensome non-productive portion of their populations.

    Trump could threaten to repudiate the debt held by China. He has hinted at this.

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    He should repudiate the debt held by Saudi Arabia....
    , @Vidi
    First of all, China's exposure to U.S. thievery is only about $1 trillion. China can afford to lose it all.

    Secondly, after this theft, anybody would be totally stupid to buy treasury bonds from such an untrustworthy seller. What will happen to the U.S.'s reserve currency status when nobody wants a dollar?
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  • @Anonymous
    The appropriate thing to do is to stop the cancer while we can. The Chinese armory is still weak, and the Russians are exhausted in Syria. A quick campaign simultaneously to liberate Tibet and Crimea will allow us to motivate their people cast off their shackles and show them how weak their oppressors are, creating a future where liberal democracy can thrive and denying their agents a way to steal elections as they did in 2016.

    Pffff…buhahaHAHAHA

    Jesus, these fucking shills, like ‘Anonymous’, kill me!!!

    Another comedian!

    Keep it coming, shill, you are good for a laugh!

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  • @YetAnotherAnon
    "Once a nation loses its ‘competitiveness’ and ability to develop technologically its military will go into decline."

    Yup. America is selling China the rope which they'll be hung with, then its closing its rope factories and sending them the machinery.

    The USA is no longer the USA of 1941, a fact that the NYT and WaPo never fail to delight in pointing out. The axis of media evil celebrates turning a 150-million nation of 100-IQ people into a 300-million nation of 90-IQ people - while China is 900 million 105-IQ people.

    Faites vos jeux, mesdames et messieurs.

    The legacy white stock makes up about 100 million in total whose IQ are probably in the 90,s range, good luck trying to compete against big brained,MIGHTY EDAR gene carriers Chinese, Koreans and Japanese.The ave brain size of the legacy white stock is in the 1350cc range like thier basque island brothers and the meditteraneans and north africans as compared with the asian brain sizes of 1450cc to 1550 cc range , you dont have enough Germans or swedes descendants who have bigger brains than the lagacy stock people to make america great again, also these Germs and swedes have diluted their brain power by mixing with the small brained legacy stock people.

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  • @Buba Zanetti
    America has become a continent sized ghetto filled with drug abuse, collapsing infrastructure, pernicious daily gun violence, the highest rates of unwanted teenage pregnancies, illiteracy and abortions in the developed world, (source: the U.N) a vice ridden pornography addicted poisoned with genetically modified food, morbidly obese population, exploited by predatory police forces and ripped off through an assortment of rackets from Pharma, Real Estate, Banking and Military,

    Our great nation has never been more divided along socio economic lines especially where 'Government for the people' is concerned, our internal and external policies breed nothing but divisiveness and death, while the rest of the world grows to have a pathological hatred of us.

    We'll be feasting on the flesh of our children long before we have to worry about war with China.

    I agree wholeheartedly and I was going to write something similar. Long before that (extremely gay) war scenario penned by Mr. McCoy plays out, America is going to choke to death on its own financial ruin and cultural rot.

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  • @Michael Kenny
    Looked at through the eyes of military planners, the obvious solution would seem to be a sort of "Schlieffen Plan": knock out the weaker enemy (Russia) first and then turn to the stronger emeny (China). Indeed, China could be bought off in the initial phase by raising no objection to their taking control of Russia's Siberian empire, which they are slowly doing, de facto, anyway.

    I thought the Schlieffen plan was about getting to Paris in a sweeping movement through Belgium, keeping the flanks strong and doing a large-scale encirclement. Context: armies are not mechanized and are transported by train. What does that have to do with anything.

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    Hillary's boy, Kenny, has no clue.

    He talks because he has a mouth.
    , @Thirdeye
    The idea was that Russia had the mightier army but would be slower to mobilize. France was weaker but more agile than Russia. Germany relied on superior organization and logistics to beat France to the punch and quickly finish them off before Russia became fully mobilized, then move troops to the eastern front. The plan worked until the Germans got the jitters over the Russian advance towards Tannenberg and weakened their western front to oppose it.
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  • @The Alarmist
    The point I've made here a few time is that even though the US' major rivals, the US would itself suffer in a major way. The difference is that the Russian, Chinese, North Korean, Iranian, etc. people already live much closer to the dirt and while they would suffer, they would probably recover better and faster. The people of the US are in many cases a very resilient, self-help bunch, but there are proportionately many more who would be immobilised due to the loss of power and their iToys and other distractions and a lack of ability of self-help who would plunge the urban areas into chaos beyond that already experienced in peacetime.

    In other words, the US loses hugely in any fight, even if it wins.

    Our dear black people would suffer? How terrible!

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    Misery loves company. You really feel that secure?
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  • @Anonymous
    The appropriate thing to do is to stop the cancer while we can. The Chinese armory is still weak, and the Russians are exhausted in Syria. A quick campaign simultaneously to liberate Tibet and Crimea will allow us to motivate their people cast off their shackles and show them how weak their oppressors are, creating a future where liberal democracy can thrive and denying their agents a way to steal elections as they did in 2016.

    As soon as you done a uniform and ready to fight, we will.

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  • “At the stroke of midnight on Black Friday, as cyber-shoppers storm the portals of Best Buy for deep discounts on the latest consumer electronics from Bangladesh,..”

    Hard to take future predictions seriously from someone who thinks Best Buy will still be around in 2030

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  • America has become a continent sized ghetto filled with drug abuse, collapsing infrastructure, pernicious daily gun violence, the highest rates of unwanted teenage pregnancies, illiteracy and abortions in the developed world, (source: the U.N) a vice ridden pornography addicted poisoned with genetically modified food, morbidly obese population, exploited by predatory police forces and ripped off through an assortment of rackets from Pharma, Real Estate, Banking and Military,

    Our great nation has never been more divided along socio economic lines especially where ‘Government for the people’ is concerned, our internal and external policies breed nothing but divisiveness and death, while the rest of the world grows to have a pathological hatred of us.

    We’ll be feasting on the flesh of our children long before we have to worry about war with China.

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    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    I agree wholeheartedly and I was going to write something similar. Long before that (extremely gay) war scenario penned by Mr. McCoy plays out, America is going to choke to death on its own financial ruin and cultural rot.
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  • the last half of this article reads like one of those retarded tom clancy novels. but a chinese version.

    especially the part about the chinese response to an attempted nuke of a chinese strategic base. the proper response would be china nuking all american bases around it’s periphery. that means nuclear war. this is also why I think all the countries that allows an american military base on their soil is retarded beyond help.

    china has learned it’s lesson very well. being rich without protection = a “fat pig about to be slaughter.” they have learned. hell, even the NK fat boy kim learned this lesson. you think china is more stupid than him?

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    • Replies: @Jesse James
    You are correct. The world saw what happened to Iraq and Libya when both tried to make nice with the US. Both were bombed and ruined by the US and NATO proxies.
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  • I am no expert, but as far as I know, the Chinese economy is still utterly dependant upon manufacturing for Western consumerism. Despite trying to shift to local consumption, their economy is so precarious that it would suffer greatly without massive exporting.

    What would happen if we raised tariffs dramatically? Would this not be a windfall to the US government by essentially taxing Western consumers? How would the Chinese economy fair?

    I really don’t think the Chinese want to mess with their cash cow.

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    What would happen if we raised tariffs dramatically? Would this not be a windfall to the US government by essentially taxing Western consumers? How would the Chinese economy fair [sic]?
     
    China would suffer, but not too much. Only 18.3 percent of their exports go to the U.S. (http://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas-top-import-partners/). However, the $388 billion going to the U.S. is only the nominal amount; due to something called "transfer pricing", China actually earns much less than that. A company might buy a pair of shoes for $5 in China and sell it for $100 in the U.S. (it's an example, so I made up the numbers, though something like this is common). The trade is registered as a $100 surplus in China's favor, but China only earns $5 from it. Therefore, if they lose this trade they will suffer, but not too much.

    Meanwhile, if the U.S. tariffs stopped all imports from China, the shelves of Walmart (e.g.) would be practically empty -- for years. Millions of Americans, who are already on the brink, will be destroyed if the prices of their daily necessities go way up. If the U.S. only experienced riots as a consequence, it would be lucky; a violent revolution would be very possible.
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  • @Michael Kenny
    Looked at through the eyes of military planners, the obvious solution would seem to be a sort of "Schlieffen Plan": knock out the weaker enemy (Russia) first and then turn to the stronger emeny (China). Indeed, China could be bought off in the initial phase by raising no objection to their taking control of Russia's Siberian empire, which they are slowly doing, de facto, anyway.

    {…. knock out the weaker enemy (Russia)}

    Nuke warheads:

    Russia 7,000
    US 6,800
    China 270

    [Russia has begun testing of its new intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), the RS-28 Sarmat. Sarmat can carry a payload of up to ten tons of nukes. The missile system is set to enter service in 2018.
    The RS-28 Sarmat is the first entirely new Russian ICBM in decades. The heavyweight missile weighs 100 tons and can boost 10 tons. Russia claims the Sarmat can lift 10 heavyweight warheads, or 16 lighter ones, and Russian state media has described it as being able to wipe out an area the size of Texas or France.](2016) *

    [As U.S. nuclear arsenal ages, other nations have modernized](2014)**

    Russia is definitely the weaker ‘enemy’***.
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    http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a23547/russias-new-icbm-could-wipe-out-texas/

    **

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nukes-silos-20141110-story.html

    ***
    Russia is NO ‘enemy’ of the people of United States.
    The foreign infestation that has infiltrated and corrupted various US departments and agencies is the real enemy of the American people.

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  • @map
    I find the cyberwarfare stuff very fanciful.

    How would a photonic network be able to break into and read a radio or microwave network? It can't. The photonic network would have to connect via some translator, the way you need hardware to connect a copper network to a fiber optic network. A photonic network could not beam viruses to satellites or to military computers because those machines could not read the incoming photonic data to begin with. Once translated to a piece of hardware, however, the photonic network becomes vulnerable to attack. The hardware needed to translate photonics into regular signals obeying the Internet Protocol over conventional radio and digital wire and fiber optics makes their network vulnerable to attack.

    IOW, a photonic network is a non-standardized, proprietary protocol that simply would not be able to transmit anything over standard protocols.

    Furthermore, there is a simple solution to this problem of cyberwarfare. First, you use a series of honeypots and tripwires to measure and monitor the level of attack. Once the attack is serious enough or appears unusually large, you can have the BIND servers block the entire Chinese IP space, rendering Chinese access to American digital infrastructure moot. The military then takes over the worldwide Global Positioning System, which then degrades Chinese capabilities even further.

    Cyberwarfare assumes that digital infrastructure is like some natural, easily passable barrier, like an ocean. Rather, it is a man-made object, like bridge, all of which can be detonated. It will be taken off-line and repurposed by the military in the event of war.

    you can have the BIND servers block the entire Chinese IP space, rendering Chinese access to American digital infrastructure moot.

    Dude, “BIND servers” (more like, DNS servers running the Bind daemon, is that old piece of code still in use?) are not “blocking an IP space”, the best they can do is give no answer to a DNS lookup.

    So you couldn’t resolve “scada-stuff.energy.gov” to 123.123.123.444

    But you could still feel around 123.123.123.444 directly.

    Unless there is a firewall.

    I wouldn’t even worry about anything “public Internet”, anyone who puts his gear on it accessible to all comers, as opposed to firewalling it off an maybe even using totally invisble private networks clearly grades convenience over security, thus trouble is in the package.

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    The point is, you can filter anything coming from China out at the transport layer.
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  • @Robert Magill
    "BEIJING, Sept. 29 (Xinhua) -- A 2,000-km quantum communication line opened on Friday between Beijing and Shanghai.

    The line is the world's first trunk line of secure quantum telecommunications. The Jing-Hu (Beijing-Shanghai) Trunk Line connects Beijing, Jinan, Hefei, and Shanghai.

    The line is connected with the world's first quantum satellite, which was launched by China in August last year, through a station in Beijing. The satellite is nicknamed "Micius," after a fifth century B.C. Chinese philosopher and scientist who has been credited as the first one in human history conducting optical experiments."

    This cannot be breached or hacked.
    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

    Completely irrelevant.

    Totally standard downloadable-for-free-from-the-Internet RSA-based cryptograpy cannot be “breached or hacked” either, and it is even practically safe from quickly-factorizing quantum computers (if these eventually turn out to be possible, which is as yet an uncertain proposition) if you choose a large enough key.

    It cannot be used for much of high-bandwidth communication either.

    In other words: a good demo, China, please do go on.

    It’s not a “quantum satellite” either, it’s just a standard satellite that bounces light around that has been passed through a beam splitter.

    Now, actually correct implementations of crypto and good OpSec are something else entirely.

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    Not completely irrelevant. Entangled transmissions, implementation details aside, are just another tool for building a secure network. For example, the knowledge of whether or not the transmission was intercepted is useful in preventing a mitm attack. Your RSA example suffers from this. I'm surprised you disagree with it's utility.
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  • @Wally
    Apparently your voting for Hillary still stings.

    Yet Another Major Russia Story Falls Apart. Is Skepticism Permissible Yet?
    https://theintercept.com/2017/09/28/yet-another-major-russia-story-falls-apart-is-skepticism-permissible-yet/
    + review of other Democrat frauds

    Reactions to Trump Victory, hilarious !!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ-FUptkUNY
    and:
    https://youtu.be/BXpi3F0E5ro

    Is Skepticism Permissible Yet?

    Is the evidence of planned, destructive mental conditioning by (((Media Interests))) strong enough yet?

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  • We will win
    For we have got
    Diversity and they
    Have not!

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  • @Michael Kenny
    Looked at through the eyes of military planners, the obvious solution would seem to be a sort of "Schlieffen Plan": knock out the weaker enemy (Russia) first and then turn to the stronger emeny (China). Indeed, China could be bought off in the initial phase by raising no objection to their taking control of Russia's Siberian empire, which they are slowly doing, de facto, anyway.

    There is not a single word in this comment that contains the slightest grain of truth.

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  • A war with China will be a war with China and Russia as Russia will side with China, there will be no winners as all will be destroyed , the U.S. and China and Russia and quite possibly the world.

    These fantasy dreams of destroying China and Russia a figment of the Zionist warlords who run American foreign policy and are proof of their insane blood lust for war and death and destruction.

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  • Looked at through the eyes of military planners, the obvious solution would seem to be a sort of “Schlieffen Plan”: knock out the weaker enemy (Russia) first and then turn to the stronger emeny (China). Indeed, China could be bought off in the initial phase by raising no objection to their taking control of Russia’s Siberian empire, which they are slowly doing, de facto, anyway.

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    There is not a single word in this comment that contains the slightest grain of truth.
    , @Avery
    {.... knock out the weaker enemy (Russia)}

    Nuke warheads:

    Russia 7,000
    US 6,800
    China 270

    [Russia has begun testing of its new intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), the RS-28 Sarmat. Sarmat can carry a payload of up to ten tons of nukes. The missile system is set to enter service in 2018.
    The RS-28 Sarmat is the first entirely new Russian ICBM in decades. The heavyweight missile weighs 100 tons and can boost 10 tons. Russia claims the Sarmat can lift 10 heavyweight warheads, or 16 lighter ones, and Russian state media has described it as being able to wipe out an area the size of Texas or France.](2016) *

    [As U.S. nuclear arsenal ages, other nations have modernized](2014)**

    Russia is definitely the weaker 'enemy'***.
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    http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a23547/russias-new-icbm-could-wipe-out-texas/

    **
    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nukes-silos-20141110-story.html

    ***
    Russia is NO 'enemy' of the people of United States.
    The foreign infestation that has infiltrated and corrupted various US departments and agencies is the real enemy of the American people.

    , @El Dato
    I thought the Schlieffen plan was about getting to Paris in a sweeping movement through Belgium, keeping the flanks strong and doing a large-scale encirclement. Context: armies are not mechanized and are transported by train. What does that have to do with anything.

    https://youtu.be/FTupV8o3mW4?t=2835

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  • @map
    I find the cyberwarfare stuff very fanciful.

    How would a photonic network be able to break into and read a radio or microwave network? It can't. The photonic network would have to connect via some translator, the way you need hardware to connect a copper network to a fiber optic network. A photonic network could not beam viruses to satellites or to military computers because those machines could not read the incoming photonic data to begin with. Once translated to a piece of hardware, however, the photonic network becomes vulnerable to attack. The hardware needed to translate photonics into regular signals obeying the Internet Protocol over conventional radio and digital wire and fiber optics makes their network vulnerable to attack.

    IOW, a photonic network is a non-standardized, proprietary protocol that simply would not be able to transmit anything over standard protocols.

    Furthermore, there is a simple solution to this problem of cyberwarfare. First, you use a series of honeypots and tripwires to measure and monitor the level of attack. Once the attack is serious enough or appears unusually large, you can have the BIND servers block the entire Chinese IP space, rendering Chinese access to American digital infrastructure moot. The military then takes over the worldwide Global Positioning System, which then degrades Chinese capabilities even further.

    Cyberwarfare assumes that digital infrastructure is like some natural, easily passable barrier, like an ocean. Rather, it is a man-made object, like bridge, all of which can be detonated. It will be taken off-line and repurposed by the military in the event of war.

    “BEIJING, Sept. 29 (Xinhua) — A 2,000-km quantum communication line opened on Friday between Beijing and Shanghai.

    The line is the world’s first trunk line of secure quantum telecommunications. The Jing-Hu (Beijing-Shanghai) Trunk Line connects Beijing, Jinan, Hefei, and Shanghai.

    The line is connected with the world’s first quantum satellite, which was launched by China in August last year, through a station in Beijing. The satellite is nicknamed “Micius,” after a fifth century B.C. Chinese philosopher and scientist who has been credited as the first one in human history conducting optical experiments.”

    This cannot be breached or hacked.

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    Completely irrelevant.

    Totally standard downloadable-for-free-from-the-Internet RSA-based cryptograpy cannot be "breached or hacked" either, and it is even practically safe from quickly-factorizing quantum computers (if these eventually turn out to be possible, which is as yet an uncertain proposition) if you choose a large enough key.

    It cannot be used for much of high-bandwidth communication either.

    In other words: a good demo, China, please do go on.

    It's not a "quantum satellite" either, it's just a standard satellite that bounces light around that has been passed through a beam splitter.

    Now, actually correct implementations of crypto and good OpSec are something else entirely.

    , @map
    The Chinese built a proprietary network. Of course it cannot be hacked. Nothing can communicate with it. Likewise, this network cannot communicate with anything using standard hardware and software protocols.

    It's secure because it is obscure.

    I also don;t understand this photonic element. My guess it is beaming light through the air instead of fiber optics. But does this require line-of-sight? Probably.

    So, the advantage is that it moves at light speed, but it requires line-of-sight.
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  • @map
    I find the cyberwarfare stuff very fanciful.

    How would a photonic network be able to break into and read a radio or microwave network? It can't. The photonic network would have to connect via some translator, the way you need hardware to connect a copper network to a fiber optic network. A photonic network could not beam viruses to satellites or to military computers because those machines could not read the incoming photonic data to begin with. Once translated to a piece of hardware, however, the photonic network becomes vulnerable to attack. The hardware needed to translate photonics into regular signals obeying the Internet Protocol over conventional radio and digital wire and fiber optics makes their network vulnerable to attack.

    IOW, a photonic network is a non-standardized, proprietary protocol that simply would not be able to transmit anything over standard protocols.

    Furthermore, there is a simple solution to this problem of cyberwarfare. First, you use a series of honeypots and tripwires to measure and monitor the level of attack. Once the attack is serious enough or appears unusually large, you can have the BIND servers block the entire Chinese IP space, rendering Chinese access to American digital infrastructure moot. The military then takes over the worldwide Global Positioning System, which then degrades Chinese capabilities even further.

    Cyberwarfare assumes that digital infrastructure is like some natural, easily passable barrier, like an ocean. Rather, it is a man-made object, like bridge, all of which can be detonated. It will be taken off-line and repurposed by the military in the event of war.

    As long as the kill/block switches (the BIND servers) don’t have Chinese chips. The more interesting battle will be between all the Chinese Trojan bots embedded in all the devices in the US versus the NSA back-door bots embedded in their firmware.

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    It's not difficult to examine firmware for any malware available.
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  • @whyamihere
    If the war happened today, China would be annihilated. They better not jump in when we hit North Korea.

    Putin better not invade the Baltics either, or NATO will put a beating on Russia he'll never forget.

    The point I’ve made here a few time is that even though the US’ major rivals, the US would itself suffer in a major way. The difference is that the Russian, Chinese, North Korean, Iranian, etc. people already live much closer to the dirt and while they would suffer, they would probably recover better and faster. The people of the US are in many cases a very resilient, self-help bunch, but there are proportionately many more who would be immobilised due to the loss of power and their iToys and other distractions and a lack of ability of self-help who would plunge the urban areas into chaos beyond that already experienced in peacetime.

    In other words, the US loses hugely in any fight, even if it wins.

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    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Our dear black people would suffer? How terrible!
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  • @Anonymous
    The appropriate thing to do is to stop the cancer while we can. The Chinese armory is still weak, and the Russians are exhausted in Syria. A quick campaign simultaneously to liberate Tibet and Crimea will allow us to motivate their people cast off their shackles and show them how weak their oppressors are, creating a future where liberal democracy can thrive and denying their agents a way to steal elections as they did in 2016.

    The appropriate thing to do is to stop the cancer while we can.

    Yer joking, right?

    You certainly don’t do satire well, and if yer serious, yer way behind. The cancer is within and it’s too late to be curable. In fact, the anti-federalists predicted most of this over two centuries ago, and I’m not joking.

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  • @The Alarmist
    Your ending could use a little tarting-up to make it better doom porn:

    In a final fit of pique at the failure of it's premiere weapons systems to counter the treaherous Chinese cyber attacks, President Chelsea Clinton orders the firing of the tried and true Minuteman III missiles dedicated to the SIOP. It's the only system not succeptible to Chinese cyber attacks. In the end, Washington is a smoking, radiating ruin, but so are Beijing and Moscow, so we can call it a draw.

    …doom porn

    I love it. Describes this article perfectly. As for believing what the Pentagon says, I wouldn’t. Doom porn is their bread, butter, and expendable loot, too.

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