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    Beginning in 1997, in an English town of more than 100,000 people, eight Pakistani men stood at the core of a group involving as many as three hundred suspects who abused, gang-raped, pimped and trafficked, by the most conservative estimate, well over a thousand of the town’s young girls for years. The police were eventually...
  • Interesting video from Robert Steele.

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  • It is highly improbable that it will turn out to be “nothing.” But the problem is that it will not “turn out” because no one in the media, in the security agencies, or in the police force will investigate it.

    The circumstantial evidence of Pizzagate rises to the level of proof.

    And it’s disgusting.

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  • […] In 2016, a group of amateur detectives began speculating that Comet Pizza in Washington, D.C. was actually a front organization for a secret cabal of elite pedophiles. Dubbed “Pizzagate,” this theory, which mostly relied on circumstantial evidence, argued that Hillary Clinton, her campaign manager John Podesta, and other top Democrats frequently visited the novelty pizza restaurant in order to sexually exploit children. (via The Unz Review). […]

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  • […] In 2016, a group of amateur detectives began speculating that Comet Pizza in Washington, D.C. was actually a front organization for a secret cabal of elite pedophiles. Dubbed “Pizzagate,” this theory, which mostly relied on circumstantial evidence, argued that Hillary Clinton, her campaign manager John Podesta, and other top Democrats frequently visited the novelty pizza restaurant in order to sexually exploit children. (via The Unz Review). […]

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  • […] In 2016, a group of amateur detectives began speculating that Comet Pizza in Washington, D.C. was actually a front organization for a secret cabal of elite pedophiles. Dubbed “Pizzagate,” this theory, which mostly relied on circumstantial evidence, argued that Hillary Clinton, her campaign manager John Podesta, and other top Democrats frequently visited the novelty pizza restaurant in order to sexually exploit children. (via The Unz Review). […]

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  • […] In 2016, a group of amateur detectives began speculating that Comet Pizza in Washington, D.C. was actually a front organization for a secret cabal of elite pedophiles. Dubbed “Pizzagate,” this theory, which mostly relied on circumstantial evidence, argued that Hillary Clinton, her campaign manager John Podesta, and other top Democrats frequently visited the novelty pizza restaurant in order to sexually exploit children. (via The Unz Review). […]

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  • Max Spiers was a casualty. He was investigating the US and Afghani military and had evidence of child trafficking and abuse. Mike Flynn is another. UK judiciary and police are also involved so use your sense and protect yourself online.

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  • […] important background reading on PizzaGate, read this piece from the Unz […]

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  • @benjaminl
    I am glad you posted this. I'm still undecided.... On the one hand, many of the people pushing this story seem to be crazy or not very intelligent. On the other hand, I have zero trust in the MSM and the "debunkings" are not very convincing. And the example of Rotherham is well chosen. Sometimes the fringe bloggers are right after all.

    I've seen very few people on Twitter who express neither "unconvincing dismissal" or "uncritical acceptance." The only ones I've seen who seem to be, like me, "persuadable but unconvinced," are @ChateauEmissary and @Stranahan.

    What kind of evidence would I expect to see, but have not seen yet?

    1. Most important: Has anyone come forward alleging to be a victim? Did I miss that? I think in every other scandal - Sandusky - Brian Singer - etc. - there were people who claimed to witness or experience these crimes. Is there anything like that here?
    In particular, now that there are thousands of people working on this, shouldn't someone, even if afraid to be named or to contact law enforcement, have at least posted anonymously on 4Chan or Reddit, saying, "I was there, this happened to me, this is what I saw"?

    2. More critical evaluation of sources especially images. As noted in my previous comment, I assume that any image can be faked. And some of the "evidence" does look fake. So, who is evaluating the images to see which ones are real and which ones are fake?

    These are some of the most powerful people in the most powerful country in the world. Testifying is likely a death sentence.

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  • […] can we expect from him as AG? I’m willing to bet PizzaGate is going to be investigated. I’ll post on that later, but if you aren’t familiar, follow that […]

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  • I smell rodents and am all the more convinced that this matter should be vigorously pursued.

    How does pointing out the stupid arguments of conspiracy theorists “ward off” or “kill” a discussion? Perhaps you all are just terrible at making arguments.

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  • I pointed out that those who support ‘investigation’ of this ‘crime’ are evil, because they’re too lazy to consider the ‘evidence’ objectively.

    Here P.C. Roberts makes a similar argument about the perversion of justice.

    http://www.unz.com/proberts/the-justice-system-is-criminal/

    It’s relevant to this topic because Roberts discusses sexual crimes which aren’t actually crimes in any sane sense.

    NoseytheDuke, notice how I’m posting yet again on this thread, thereby bringing it continued attention, and totally disproving your counterfactual and infantile accusation. (I’m not surprised you won the yellow rim of shame for it.)

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  • It is indeed quite telling that two of the more active, vociferous commenters arguing that Pizzagate is wholly unsubstantiated and unworthy of even investigation (Corporal Clegg and RodW) have only bothered to comment at The Unz Review intensely on just this one subject but yet many, many times and over a very short period. Why?

    A real genuine person bothering to comment here at unz is surely likely to find other interesting articles and comment on those too. Not these disinfo specialists, nope, they came to unz with a specific (likely paid) agenda, to ward off or kill any discussion on Pizzagate. Why?

    I smell rodents and am all the more convinced that this matter should be vigorously pursued.

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  • […] anyone who wants to dig a little deeper, Unz review has a good article.  It contains a few disturbing pictures though not the worst by any […]

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  • To reiterate a point that should be clear to the more astute reader, my goal in this series (part 1, part 2) has not been to defend “Pizzagate” as such. My goal has been to defend the people who want to investigate it against specific accusations levied against them by people who think Pizzagate has...
  • How high does Pizzagate reach?

    The hyper-hysterical MSM reaction and its reverberation in online media suggest that the ramifications of Pizzagate reach very high and very far indeed.

    One should also be on the lookout for prominent individuals on the Republican/conservative side of the spectrum who may be profoundly implicated and at risk of lengthy prison sentences if exposed by their blackmailers.

    Team Trump should take proactive steps to identify and excise these individuals who are inherently scummy and are liable already to be in at the beck and call of blackmailers.

    The NSA will have most of the relevant data but will likely play games about providing relevant data.

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  • Beginning in 1997, in an English town of more than 100,000 people, eight Pakistani men stood at the core of a group involving as many as three hundred suspects who abused, gang-raped, pimped and trafficked, by the most conservative estimate, well over a thousand of the town’s young girls for years. The police were eventually...
  • @FKA Max
    Some potential victims of James Alefantis have been identified and one gave an anonymous testimony.


    What James Alefantis allegedly did here is not illegal, but speaks volumes about his character, in my opinion, if the story indeed is true:
    [...]
    It turns out that Carole’s son, who is +/-18 at this time, is also working at the restaurant. I think his name is Dylan/Dillon. He grew up without a father and turned to James Alefantis often for advice.
    One night Carole walked into the comet pizza kitchen, and saw James Alefantis fucking her son in the kitchen. She was furious because she immediately knew how completely James had taken advantage of her son. She quit immediately and denounced James viciously in private, unwilling to do so publicly for professional reasons.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1732211

    The story checks out, so far: Carole Greenwood is a single mom and has a son named Dylan, who was 13 years old/young in 2003. [...] [–] daj 16 points (+16|-0) 11 hours ago (edited 10 hours ago)

    It’s legit: http://hollaforums.com/thread/8359034/politics/james-alefantis-fucks.html

    Archive: https://archive.fo/iDbWN
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1732521

    Disclaimer: I have absolutely no idea if this person is authentic, but since many Pizzagate critics argue that the scandal has not a leg to stand on, because no victims have come forward so far, I believe this testimony is important to share.
    [...]
    This is how he answered one of the questions on a voat comment thread. He seems to know/be aware of Dylan Greenwood
    [...]
    Here is one of the email exchanges between he and James Alefantis, that he did not delete: http://archive.is/8423t
    [...]
    After a little while when it was nearing the final exams, I was stressed out, exhausted and let my guard down and went out for some drinks with James a few times after work to get stuff off my chest. James would drug me up and then take advantage of me. When I threatened to go to the police he implied that he would harm me physically and said he would sue me. He had so many friends around DC that I believed him, I really was afraid, and just kept it all bottled up. I ended up getting PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, from what were effectively rapes, and later I began to realize that I likely had Stockholm Syndrome. I eventually quit the job, but James would send me lewd photos and texts for another 2 or three years at the rate of once about every 2 to 3 months, I think 6 months was the longest in that period. I had to kick him out of the place I worked when he came in every other month or so for about a year. Let this be a lesson: do not trust sociopaths and pathological liars.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1733621

    Former Comet Ping Pong Employee Alleges: “James Alefantis sexually assaulted me”
    5 hours ago by abortionburger in pizzagate

    https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@abortionburger/victim-comes-forward-i-was-sexually-assaulted-by-james-alefantis

    Note: I have personally verified this person’s identity and backstory. I obviously cannot verify his accusations. He wishes to remain anonymous.

    By now, most people are at least vaguely familiar with the so-called “fake news” story known as Pizzagate. For those that aren’t, the brief version is that self described “internet investigators” caught wind of some strange wording in the John Podesta emails released by Wikileaks, and went down the largest internet rabbit hole in recent history.

    The story was quickly written off as mass hysteria, a conspiracy theory, and fake news by nearly all of mainstream media, and censored from the internet forum site Reddit. The theory, which has a plethora of circumstantial evidence, lacked one key factor: a victim. [...] The anonymous nature of internet forums leads to skeptics demanding proof of any seemingly outrageous claim. The publication of these emails adds credibility to his story.

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  • To reiterate a point that should be clear to the more astute reader, my goal in this series (part 1, part 2) has not been to defend “Pizzagate” as such. My goal has been to defend the people who want to investigate it against specific accusations levied against them by people who think Pizzagate has...
  • @Stogumber
    As a "precedent for Pizzagate" we shouldn't ignore France, in our case the killing of Joseph Doucé under an enquiry about a pedophile network. There is, among others, a book by Bernard Violet "Mort d'un prêtre ..." (Violet. as a Communist, looks mostly for Catholic and neo-nazi angles, but includes high political connections.)

    A woman who was caught up as a child in the vicious pedophile ring of Belgium has come forward to tell her story of terrible abuse, and how she survived.

    High-class pedophilia is a fact, not a theory and this has been known for a long time, in spite of how much in denial the masses want to remain.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4136536/Former-child-sex-slave-sold-Belgian-recalls-abuse.html

    https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/anneke-lucass-harrowing-tale-of-sex-trafficking-am/

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  • Comet Pizza making another public appearance.

    … Reddit has unearthed an essay from 1998 titled “Luke Kuhn on teenage sex and the UAP” that includes the lines “I started having sex by my own choice when I was 12” and “All that stuff about older partners having an ‘obligation’ to refuse is bullshit.” That followed the inimitable 1997 piece “Ronald McDonald the child-molesting clown,” and let’s not forget 2008’s “Why we like young boys by Luke Kuhn.” There may be “serious reason to doubt the allegations,” as Ben Smith said of his golden-shower scoop, but it’s worth noting that the Anti-Fascist Coalition video of Kuhn was recorded at Comet Pizza.

    http://takimag.com/article/weve_got_the_biggest_balls_of_them_all_gavin_mcinnes

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  • Beginning in 1997, in an English town of more than 100,000 people, eight Pakistani men stood at the core of a group involving as many as three hundred suspects who abused, gang-raped, pimped and trafficked, by the most conservative estimate, well over a thousand of the town’s young girls for years. The police were eventually...
  • @FKA Max

    Furthermore, Tony Podesta’s favorite artist is Biljana Djurdjevic, whose art heavily features images of children in BDSM-esque positions in large showers.
     
    Psychopathy in the Pedophile (From Psychopathy: Antisocial, Criminal, and Violent Behavior, P 304-320, 1998, Theodore Millon, Erik Simonsen, et al, eds.--See NCJ-179236)

    This paper argues that pedophilia may represent a special case or subcase of psychopathy and that the main aims of both the psychopath and the pedophile are to dominate, to use, and to subjugate another person in service of the grandiose self. [...] It notes that the major differences between psychopaths and pedophiles are that the object of the predation for the pedophile is a child and that the overt behavioral manifestation of the pathology is sexual.
     
    - https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=179240

    Some potential victims of James Alefantis have been identified and one gave an anonymous testimony.

    What James Alefantis allegedly did here is not illegal, but speaks volumes about his character, in my opinion, if the story indeed is true:
    [...]
    It turns out that Carole’s son, who is +/-18 at this time, is also working at the restaurant. I think his name is Dylan/Dillon. He grew up without a father and turned to James Alefantis often for advice.
    One night Carole walked into the comet pizza kitchen, and saw James Alefantis fucking her son in the kitchen. She was furious because she immediately knew how completely James had taken advantage of her son. She quit immediately and denounced James viciously in private, unwilling to do so publicly for professional reasons.

    http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1732211

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    The story checks out, so far: Carole Greenwood is a single mom and has a son named Dylan, who was 13 years old/young in 2003. [...] [–] daj 16 points (+16|-0) 11 hours ago (edited 10 hours ago)

    It’s legit: http://hollaforums.com/thread/8359034/politics/james-alefantis-fucks.html

    Archive: https://archive.fo/iDbWN

    http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1732521

    Disclaimer: I have absolutely no idea if this person is authentic, but since many Pizzagate critics argue that the scandal has not a leg to stand on, because no victims have come forward so far, I believe this testimony is important to share.
    [...]
    This is how he answered one of the questions on a voat comment thread. He seems to know/be aware of Dylan Greenwood
    [...]
    Here is one of the email exchanges between he and James Alefantis, that he did not delete: http://archive.is/8423t
    [...]
    After a little while when it was nearing the final exams, I was stressed out, exhausted and let my guard down and went out for some drinks with James a few times after work to get stuff off my chest. James would drug me up and then take advantage of me. When I threatened to go to the police he implied that he would harm me physically and said he would sue me. He had so many friends around DC that I believed him, I really was afraid, and just kept it all bottled up. I ended up getting PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, from what were effectively rapes, and later I began to realize that I likely had Stockholm Syndrome. I eventually quit the job, but James would send me lewd photos and texts for another 2 or three years at the rate of once about every 2 to 3 months, I think 6 months was the longest in that period. I had to kick him out of the place I worked when he came in every other month or so for about a year. Let this be a lesson: do not trust sociopaths and pathological liars.

    http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1733621

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    Former Comet Ping Pong Employee Alleges: "James Alefantis sexually assaulted me"
    5 hours ago by abortionburger in pizzagate

    https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@abortionburger/victim-comes-forward-i-was-sexually-assaulted-by-james-alefantis

    Note: I have personally verified this person's identity and backstory. I obviously cannot verify his accusations. He wishes to remain anonymous.

    By now, most people are at least vaguely familiar with the so-called “fake news” story known as Pizzagate. For those that aren't, the brief version is that self described “internet investigators” caught wind of some strange wording in the John Podesta emails released by Wikileaks, and went down the largest internet rabbit hole in recent history.

    The story was quickly written off as mass hysteria, a conspiracy theory, and fake news by nearly all of mainstream media, and censored from the internet forum site Reddit. The theory, which has a plethora of circumstantial evidence, lacked one key factor: a victim. [...] The anonymous nature of internet forums leads to skeptics demanding proof of any seemingly outrageous claim. The publication of these emails adds credibility to his story.
     
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  • To reiterate a point that should be clear to the more astute reader, my goal in this series (part 1, part 2) has not been to defend “Pizzagate” as such. My goal has been to defend the people who want to investigate it against specific accusations levied against them by people who think Pizzagate has...
  • @FKA Max
    The story checks out, so far: Carole Greenwood is a single mom and has a son named Dylan, who was 13 years old/young in 2003.

    Restaurant Moms

    By Julia Watson May 7, 2003

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/food/2003/05/07/restaurant-moms/096b1bd3-0e54-4c4a-b620-c7298f6de162/

    Carole Greenwood of Greenwood Restaurant has raised 13-year-old Dylan by herself. Until two years ago, her son spent every night at her parents' house and she saw him only on weekends. "Some days I feel tremendous guilt," she says. "But I made a clear choice to do this on my own."
     
    This is how I found the story:

    [–] daj 16 points (+16|-0) 11 hours ago (edited 10 hours ago)

    It's legit: http://hollaforums.com/thread/8359034/politics/james-alefantis-fucks.html

    Archive: https://archive.fo/iDbWN
     
    - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1574385

    Disclaimer: I have absolutely no idea if this person is authentic, but since many Pizzagate critics argue that the scandal has not a leg to stand on, because no victims have come forward so far, I believe this testimony is important to share.

    This is his user name/profile at voat: https://voat.co/user/FVITEGO

    This is how he answered one of the questions on a voat comment thread. He seems to know/be aware of Dylan Greenwood:

    [–] FVITEGO [S] 2 points (+2|-0) 1.3 days ago

    worked there 08-09, I don’t think its a good Idea to put the uni I was attending on here. Dylan was the only other employee that had any sexual conduct with james that I know.

    https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1575095/7674172

    Here is one of the email exchanges between he and James Alefantis, that he did not delete: http://archive.is/8423t

    Here his testimony:

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    r/The_Donald pulled my post on James Alefantis’ sexual assault, I pasted it below in the body, (pizzagate)

    submitted 1.3 days ago by [deleted]

    I had a great start to university. I had a 4.0 for the first two years and, after interning for Richard Pombo (former R-CA 11th district) and got an evening low wage job immediately thereafter to work with my school schedule, I worked at Comet Ping Pong and the sister restaurant Buck’s. James had invited me for several months to go and work as a server there. I knew James had taken a liking to me but I kept him at arms distance. Finally I took the job hoping for better money but he never got me the server job he promised and his business partner offered me a job managing the kitchen. I took the job. After a little while when it was nearing the final exams, I was stressed out, exhausted and let my guard down and went out for some drinks with James a few times after work to get stuff off my chest. James would drug me up and then take advantage of me. When I threatened to go to the police he implied that he would harm me physically and said he would sue me. He had so many friends around DC that I believed him, I really was afraid, and just kept it all bottled up. I ended up getting PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, from what were effectively rapes, and later I began to realize that I likely had Stockholm Syndrome. I eventually quit the job, but James would send me lewd photos and texts for another 2 or three years at the rate of once about every 2 to 3 months, I think 6 months was the longest in that period. I had to kick him out of the place I worked when he came in every other month or so for about a year. Let this be a lesson: do not trust sociopaths and pathological liars. I would do anything to have the best years of my life back that were destroyed by PTSD. I got rid of all the photos and texts we had as I just wanted to move on with my life and forget, but I didn’t delete all the emails for some reason, didn’t think of it I guess imgur link. Someone created an account with his exact name to troll me but wouldn’t put up a photo of themselves so I blocked them. FYI. I’m sorry I made it seem like only one incident in the other thread, but I didn’t want to put too many details out there, I hope you understand. I’m going to try to answer all these as best as I can but if my PTSD gets triggered, please understand that I may not perceive your post as you intended or I may need to come back after I get myself calmed down again. I apologize for any frustration this may cause in advance. Ok AMA!

    Edit: I can’t post any replies to the comments and I’m beginning to think this was a mistake. I’m sorry but I am going to be leaving now. If you want to mesage me at reddit my username is u/SVMESSEFVIFVTVRVS I will be happy to address any questions you have there.

    https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1575095

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  • @Junior
    This is ALL about the child trafficing that the Clinton-Bush Foundation was doing in Haiti. It is the weakpoint in a global child trafficing network and it is why the Clinton-Bush Foundation has taken down their website and are attempting to cover up any traces of it as we speak. Trump knows.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMJoNl2RHIU

    Anyone who believes that it is ludicrous to think that pizzerias could be used for such nefarious operations, I 'd like to point out to you the case of "The French Connection" which later became known as "The Pizza Connection" in which a huge global network of pizzerias were being used to distribute drugs in the 1980's.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_Connection_Trial

    Anyone who believes that the pedophile code is purely circumstantial needs to take a look at the Katy Perry video "This Is How We Do" which appears to be an homage to Comet Pizza. It is absolutely rife with the code words from the Podesta emails revealed by Pizzagate. They prance around with convicted sex offender, who plea bargained out of a child porn charge, Pee-Wee Herman( http://people.com/celebrity/pee-wee-actor-settles-kiddie-porn-case/ ) singing about "this is how they do" and "it's no big deal".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RMQksXpQSk

    Here is a video "Kids" by the group MGMT. The quote at the beginning of the video is from the quintessential Satanist Nietzsche("Free spirits", by contrast to the philosophers of the past, are "investigators to the point of cruelty, with rash fingers for the ungraspable, with teeth and stomach for the most indigestible" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Good_and_Evil ). The video shows them bragging about how prevalent they are through our community. The "do as thou wilt" bastards are laughing at us about how they control positions of authority like policemen(3:36 of video) and how childrens TV programs are filled with their garbage of wolves in sheeps clothing(4:24 of video). And of course the Pizza and Hot Dog symbology throughout the end which culminates with them eating the child. This trash has 77 million views on Youtube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe4EK4HSPkI

    Here is the video "Criminal" by Fiona Apple. It is all about placing the blame on the victim, by saying that the victim enticed the pedo scum, instead of the perpetrator. This homage to Child Porn makes great pains to highlight Pizza(:21 and :38 of the video) and tiled kill rooms with easy clean-up(:45 of the video and blood stains on carpet at :48 and :54).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFOzayDpWoI

    I listen to a LOT of different music. I am not religious in the least and always used to think that the religious people were over-reacting to artists trying to just be "artsy" and cutting edge, but Pizzagate has lifted the scales from my eyes that there ABSOLUTELY is a Satanic Agenda being carried out by these scum.

    Here is some more trash with them trying to normalize pedophilia and victim-blaming, the Myley Cyrus video "BB Talk". This filthy excuse for a human being is singing about "f*uck me" while dressed up as a baby.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfwJA0f0UTg

    Here is a video "Party" by Chris Brown with more attempts to normalize pedo behavior. In the video he wants to know where the Under Ground is to party with children at the beginning. He buys his way into the under ground and at 1:27 of the video we see that this has sexual conotations by the the masked figures from "Eyes Wide Shut" watching the partying with children from the upper area. At 2:31 of the video we see that the children are all wearing shirts with the pedo symblol of the spiral triangle. Just listen to the sexual language that they have these children all dancing around to in the video. "We know how to party" with children.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9eMk051dYg

    Here is the video "Prison Sex" by Tool. This homage to pedophilia has more of the tiled kill rooms and children being kept prisoner in boxes. Their "Do unto others what has been done unto you" lyrics are a call for the cycle of pedo behavior to continue. Reading the lyrics of this song reveals all else that needs to be said about this trash.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dABXvI1dxyg

    Here is a video by the Pizza Underground or Pizza UNDER Ground which is a group formed by Maccauley Culkin who very well may have been a victim of the same sexual predators that Elijah Wood and Corey Feldman refer to. They do all Velvet Underground covers with the words changed to Pizza related themes. For those that are unaware, The Velvet Underground based their name on a non-fiction book about the sexual underground that occurs in suburbia without anyone knowing about it ( https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-behind-The-Velvet-Undergrounds-band-name ). It seems that with these jokes about it, they are trying to continue the cycle of pedo behavior.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btL49IPAGdo

    I could go on and on(as you can tell) with songs and groups who are pushing this agenda but let me finish with one of the most glaring examples. Check out Nirvana's album "Nevermind" which goes so far as to include child pornography on the cover by featuring a naked baby submerged in water who they are fishing for with a dollar bill. The album is absolutley filled with songs and lyrics about stealing children and cannabilism.

    The song "Polly" is about the real life abduction, rape, and torture of a child named Polly which occured in Tacoma, Washington by a man named Gerald Friend ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Friend ). Cobain is attempting to normalize this behavior in his lyrics.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Fr90sOxbs

    The lyrics from "In Bloom":
    Sell the kids for food. Weather changes moods. Spring is here again. Reproductive Glands. We can have some more. Nature is a whore. Bruises on the fruit. Tender age in bloom.... But he don't know what it means when I say "Yummmmmm"

    The lyrics from "Smells Like Teen Spirit" Cooking:
    I'm worse at what I do best and for this gift I feel blessed. Our little group has always been
    and always will until the end. And I forget just why I taste, Oh yeah, I guess it makes me smile.
    I found it hard, it's hard to find. Oh well, whatever, nevermind

    The lyrics from "Something In The Way"(keep in mind that the cover art for this album has them fishing for a baby):
    Underneath the bridge the tarp has sprung a leak. And the animals I've trapped have all become my pets. And I'm living off of grass and the drippings from the ceiling. It's ok to eat fish
    cause they don't have any feelings

    Read the lyrics to "Drain You" about consuming babies and vacuming out their fluids to become an indebted and grateful "healthy student". http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/nirvana/drainyou.html

    Also check out songs lyrics from their follow up album like "Rape Me"(which is about more victim-blaming and uses the chords from "Smells Like Teen Spirit" backwards) and "Heart Shaped Box" and bear in mind what they are singing about under the surface. Normalizing their Black Hole Sun worshiping Satanic rituals.

    The lyrics from “In Bloom”:
    Sell the kids for food. Weather changes moods. Spring is here again. Reproductive Glands. We can have some more. Nature is a whore. Bruises on the fruit. Tender age in bloom…. But he don’t know what it means when I say “Yummmmmm”

    It should be noted that there are two versions of this song. The original one has the Yummmmm heard at the end at 4:15 in this version.

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  • This is ALL about the child trafficing that the Clinton-Bush Foundation was doing in Haiti. It is the weakpoint in a global child trafficing network and it is why the Clinton-Bush Foundation has taken down their website and are attempting to cover up any traces of it as we speak. Trump knows.

    Anyone who believes that it is ludicrous to think that pizzerias could be used for such nefarious operations, I ‘d like to point out to you the case of “The French Connection” which later became known as “The Pizza Connection” in which a huge global network of pizzerias were being used to distribute drugs in the 1980′s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_Connection_Trial

    Anyone who believes that the pedophile code is purely circumstantial needs to take a look at the Katy Perry video “This Is How We Do” which appears to be an homage to Comet Pizza. It is absolutely rife with the code words from the Podesta emails revealed by Pizzagate. They prance around with convicted sex offender, who plea bargained out of a child porn charge, Pee-Wee Herman( http://people.com/celebrity/pee-wee-actor-settles-kiddie-porn-case/ ) singing about “this is how they do” and “it’s no big deal”.

    Here is a video “Kids” by the group MGMT. The quote at the beginning of the video is from the quintessential Satanist Nietzsche(“Free spirits”, by contrast to the philosophers of the past, are “investigators to the point of cruelty, with rash fingers for the ungraspable, with teeth and stomach for the most indigestible” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Good_and_Evil ). The video shows them bragging about how prevalent they are through our community. The “do as thou wilt” bastards are laughing at us about how they control positions of authority like policemen(3:36 of video) and how childrens TV programs are filled with their garbage of wolves in sheeps clothing(4:24 of video). And of course the Pizza and Hot Dog symbology throughout the end which culminates with them eating the child. This trash has 77 million views on Youtube.

    Here is the video “Criminal” by Fiona Apple. It is all about placing the blame on the victim, by saying that the victim enticed the pedo scum, instead of the perpetrator. This homage to Child Porn makes great pains to highlight Pizza(:21 and :38 of the video) and tiled kill rooms with easy clean-up(:45 of the video and blood stains on carpet at :48 and :54).

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    I listen to a LOT of different music. I am not religious in the least and always used to think that the religious people were over-reacting to artists trying to just be “artsy” and cutting edge, but Pizzagate has lifted the scales from my eyes that there ABSOLUTELY is a Satanic Agenda being carried out by these scum.

    Here is some more trash with them trying to normalize pedophilia and victim-blaming, the Myley Cyrus video “BB Talk”. This filthy excuse for a human being is singing about “f*uck me” while dressed up as a baby.

    Here is a video “Party” by Chris Brown with more attempts to normalize pedo behavior. In the video he wants to know where the Under Ground is to party with children at the beginning. He buys his way into the under ground and at 1:27 of the video we see that this has sexual conotations by the the masked figures from “Eyes Wide Shut” watching the partying with children from the upper area. At 2:31 of the video we see that the children are all wearing shirts with the pedo symblol of the spiral triangle. Just listen to the sexual language that they have these children all dancing around to in the video. “We know how to party” with children.

    Here is the video “Prison Sex” by Tool. This homage to pedophilia has more of the tiled kill rooms and children being kept prisoner in boxes. Their “Do unto others what has been done unto you” lyrics are a call for the cycle of pedo behavior to continue. Reading the lyrics of this song reveals all else that needs to be said about this trash.

    Here is a video by the Pizza Underground or Pizza UNDER Ground which is a group formed by Maccauley Culkin who very well may have been a victim of the same sexual predators that Elijah Wood and Corey Feldman refer to. They do all Velvet Underground covers with the words changed to Pizza related themes. For those that are unaware, The Velvet Underground based their name on a non-fiction book about the sexual underground that occurs in suburbia without anyone knowing about it ( https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-behind-The-Velvet-Undergrounds-band-name ). It seems that with these jokes about it, they are trying to continue the cycle of pedo behavior.

    I could go on and on(as you can tell) with songs and groups who are pushing this agenda but let me finish with one of the most glaring examples. Check out Nirvana’s album “Nevermind” which goes so far as to include child pornography on the cover by featuring a naked baby submerged in water who they are fishing for with a dollar bill. The album is absolutley filled with songs and lyrics about stealing children and cannabilism.

    The song “Polly” is about the real life abduction, rape, and torture of a child named Polly which occured in Tacoma, Washington by a man named Gerald Friend ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Friend ). Cobain is attempting to normalize this behavior in his lyrics.

    The lyrics from “In Bloom”:
    Sell the kids for food. Weather changes moods. Spring is here again. Reproductive Glands. We can have some more. Nature is a whore. Bruises on the fruit. Tender age in bloom…. But he don’t know what it means when I say “Yummmmmm”

    The lyrics from “Smells Like Teen Spirit” Cooking:
    I’m worse at what I do best and for this gift I feel blessed. Our little group has always been
    and always will until the end. And I forget just why I taste, Oh yeah, I guess it makes me smile.
    I found it hard, it’s hard to find. Oh well, whatever, nevermind

    The lyrics from “Something In The Way”(keep in mind that the cover art for this album has them fishing for a baby):
    Underneath the bridge the tarp has sprung a leak. And the animals I’ve trapped have all become my pets. And I’m living off of grass and the drippings from the ceiling. It’s ok to eat fish
    cause they don’t have any feelings

    Read the lyrics to “Drain You” about consuming babies and vacuming out their fluids to become an indebted and grateful “healthy student”. http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/nirvana/drainyou.html

    Also check out songs lyrics from their follow up album like “Rape Me”(which is about more victim-blaming and uses the chords from “Smells Like Teen Spirit” backwards) and “Heart Shaped Box” and bear in mind what they are singing about under the surface. Normalizing their Black Hole Sun worshiping Satanic rituals.

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    The lyrics from “In Bloom”:
    Sell the kids for food. Weather changes moods. Spring is here again. Reproductive Glands. We can have some more. Nature is a whore. Bruises on the fruit. Tender age in bloom…. But he don’t know what it means when I say “Yummmmmm”
     
    It should be noted that there are two versions of this song. The original one has the Yummmmm heard at the end at 4:15 in this version.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdlrEJk9RDY
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  • To reiterate a point that should be clear to the more astute reader, my goal in this series (part 1, part 2) has not been to defend “Pizzagate” as such. My goal has been to defend the people who want to investigate it against specific accusations levied against them by people who think Pizzagate has...
  • @FKA Max
    Some new updates on the PizzaGate investigation/reporting, and some interesting and disturbing information that was brought to my attention regarding James Alefantis:

    Local CBS Reporter Ben Swann Blows "The Red Sauce And Cheese" Story Wide Open

    https://youtu.be/hnLqQbHZbFc

    Published on Jan 17, 2017

    Local CBS46 news channel's Ben Swann reported this evening on PizzaGate, calling to light some of the strangest content found by citizen journalists and asking the question "why hasn't any of this been investigated by law enforcement".

    Debunking the myth of FakeNews in a brilliant manner, Ben Swann has just positioned himself as an enemy of main stream media, globalists, and a possible contender for a Pulitzer prize.

    Loving Ben Swann? Check out his awesome report on Jeffrey Epstein from 2015: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1574409

    What James Alefantis allegedly did here is not illegal, but speaks volumes about his character, in my opinion, if the story indeed is true:

    In the District of Columbia, the age of consent for sex is 16 years old. Unlike some other states, the District of Columbia does not have a separate law for homosexual conduct. Furthermore, the law is written in gender-neutral language, so it appears to apply equally to heterosexual as well as homosexual conduct.
     


    Ok so this story is anecdotal but I can vouch on source as 100% telling the truth. S[ource] is my family member who has never heard of pizza gate but lives in DC. I asked about Comet Pizza because we went there when I've visited. She immediately knew about allegations of pedo against James Alefantis and told me locals were banding together to defend the local beloved pizza joint. I asked if she knew James, no, but she had a friend.
    Carole Greenwood was that friend. A local famous for cooking for her neighbors parties. So some of them decided to pool money and invest in a restaurant for her to run. She ends up becoming business partners with James Afelantis. She was head chef for both comet and bucks fishing camping. Until…
    http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/food/blog/13125543/adios-carole-greenwood
    http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/food/blog/13128890/carole-greenwood-pops-up-the-nomadic-dinner-party-pioneer-is-itching-to-get-back-in-a-real-kitchen
    Then the vague 'urgent family matters' happens and she leaves DC for 3 years.
    It turns out that Carole's son, who is +/-18 at this time, is also working at the restaurant. I think his name is Dylan/Dillon. He grew up without a father and turned to James Alefantis often for advice.
    One night Carole walked into the comet pizza kitchen, and saw James Alefantis fucking her son in the kitchen. She was furious because she immediately knew how completely James had taken advantage of her son. She quit immediately and denounced James viciously in private, unwilling to do so publicly for professional reasons.
    After telling me this my source told me she had never connected that to him being a pedo. After that story she never went back because whenever she ran into him she could tell something was wrong with him. She says she completely believes he's a pedo now, and she's seriously the least judging person I've ever met.
    So take that as an anecdote against James character and sanitation practices I guess? I've been lurking for awhile but I knew when I actually got a 3 degrees of separation story to the guy I had to put it out there.
    2 months ago
     
    - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1574385

    IDENTIFYING A PSYCHOPATH: Alefantis Fox News Interview - A CLOSER Look

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbPYf9GLSZs

    Published on Dec 17, 2016

    A closer look and analysis of the body language of Alef[a]ntis on Fox News. I see a guilty Psychopath. What do you see?

    Careers with highest proportion of psychopaths

    According to Dutton, the ten careers that have the highest proportion of psychopaths are:[12]

    [...] 9. Chef [...]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_in_the_workplace#Careers_with_highest_proportion_of_psychopaths

    The story checks out, so far: Carole Greenwood is a single mom and has a son named Dylan, who was 13 years old/young in 2003.

    Restaurant Moms

    By Julia Watson May 7, 2003

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/food/2003/05/07/restaurant-moms/096b1bd3-0e54-4c4a-b620-c7298f6de162/

    Carole Greenwood of Greenwood Restaurant has raised 13-year-old Dylan by herself. Until two years ago, her son spent every night at her parents’ house and she saw him only on weekends. “Some days I feel tremendous guilt,” she says. “But I made a clear choice to do this on my own.”

    This is how I found the story:

    [–] daj 16 points (+16|-0) 11 hours ago (edited 10 hours ago)

    It’s legit: http://hollaforums.com/thread/8359034/politics/james-alefantis-fucks.html

    Archive: https://archive.fo/iDbWN

    https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1574385

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    Disclaimer: I have absolutely no idea if this person is authentic, but since many Pizzagate critics argue that the scandal has not a leg to stand on, because no victims have come forward so far, I believe this testimony is important to share.

    This is his user name/profile at voat: https://voat.co/user/FVITEGO

    This is how he answered one of the questions on a voat comment thread. He seems to know/be aware of Dylan Greenwood:

    [–] FVITEGO [S] 2 points (+2|-0) 1.3 days ago

    worked there 08-09, I don't think its a good Idea to put the uni I was attending on here. Dylan was the only other employee that had any sexual conduct with james that I know.
     
    - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1575095/7674172

    Here is one of the email exchanges between he and James Alefantis, that he did not delete: http://archive.is/8423t

    Here his testimony:

    r/The_Donald pulled my post on James Alefantis' sexual assault, I pasted it below in the body, (pizzagate)

    submitted 1.3 days ago by [deleted]

    I had a great start to university. I had a 4.0 for the first two years and, after interning for Richard Pombo (former R-CA 11th district) and got an evening low wage job immediately thereafter to work with my school schedule, I worked at Comet Ping Pong and the sister restaurant Buck's. James had invited me for several months to go and work as a server there. I knew James had taken a liking to me but I kept him at arms distance. Finally I took the job hoping for better money but he never got me the server job he promised and his business partner offered me a job managing the kitchen. I took the job. After a little while when it was nearing the final exams, I was stressed out, exhausted and let my guard down and went out for some drinks with James a few times after work to get stuff off my chest. James would drug me up and then take advantage of me. When I threatened to go to the police he implied that he would harm me physically and said he would sue me. He had so many friends around DC that I believed him, I really was afraid, and just kept it all bottled up. I ended up getting PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, from what were effectively rapes, and later I began to realize that I likely had Stockholm Syndrome. I eventually quit the job, but James would send me lewd photos and texts for another 2 or three years at the rate of once about every 2 to 3 months, I think 6 months was the longest in that period. I had to kick him out of the place I worked when he came in every other month or so for about a year. Let this be a lesson: do not trust sociopaths and pathological liars. I would do anything to have the best years of my life back that were destroyed by PTSD. I got rid of all the photos and texts we had as I just wanted to move on with my life and forget, but I didn't delete all the emails for some reason, didn't think of it I guess imgur link. Someone created an account with his exact name to troll me but wouldn't put up a photo of themselves so I blocked them. FYI. I'm sorry I made it seem like only one incident in the other thread, but I didn't want to put too many details out there, I hope you understand. I'm going to try to answer all these as best as I can but if my PTSD gets triggered, please understand that I may not perceive your post as you intended or I may need to come back after I get myself calmed down again. I apologize for any frustration this may cause in advance. Ok AMA!

    Edit: I can't post any replies to the comments and I'm beginning to think this was a mistake. I'm sorry but I am going to be leaving now. If you want to mesage me at reddit my username is u/SVMESSEFVIFVTVRVS I will be happy to address any questions you have there.
     
    - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1575095
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  • And let’s not forget that we need to drain the swamp of the scum in Hollywood also. The time of reckoning is switly approaching for these Hollyweird dirtbags that give standing ovations to pedophiles like Roman Polanski and put out videos laughing at us while they throw their vileness in our faces without us even knowing. The revelations of Pedophile symbology that Pizzagate has pulled back the curtain on is going to tear their whole wretched house of cards down.

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    Elijah Wood: ‘Hollywood in the grip of child abuse scandal similar to Jimmy Savile’

    Hollywood is in the grip of a child sexual abuse scandal similar to that of Jimmy Savile in Britain, Lord of the Rings star Elijah Wood has claimed.

    The 35-year-old former child actor said paedophiles had been protected by powerful figures in the movie business and that abuse was probably still taking place.

    In an interview with the Sunday Times, Wood said he had been protected from abuse as he was growing up, but that other child actors had been regularly “preyed upon” at parties by industry figures.

    “You all grew up with Savile – Jesus, it must have been devastating,” he said.

    “Clearly something major was going on in Hollywood.

    “It was all organised.

    “There are a lot of vipers in this industry, people who only have their own interests in mind.

    “There is a darkness in the underbelly – if you can imagine it, it’s probably happened.”

    “People with parasitic interests will see you as their prey”Elijah Wood

    Wood said the abuse was allowed to continue because victims “can’t speak as loudly as people in power.”

    “That’s the tragedy of attempting to reveal what is happening to innocent people,” he said.

    “They can be squashed but their lives have been irreparably damaged.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/22/hollywood-in-the-grip-of-child-abuse-scandal-similar-to-jimmy-sa/

    ‘I was molested and passed around’: Corey Feldman describes his ordeal at the hands of Hollywood pedophile ring and says Corey Haim was just eleven years old when he was first raped

    Corey Feldman has shared shocking details about the rampant sexual abuse he and other young actors were forced to endure during their years in Hollywood.

    In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, Feldman discusses how he was repeatedly molested by adult males in the industry, saying these men would pass many young stars ‘back and forth to each other.’

    He also reveals that his closest friend, Corey Haim, was raped when he was just 11 by a producer, the start of a long cycle of sexual abuse that Feldman believes led to his friend’s problems with drugs and alcohol later in life.

    Haim would struggle with drugs up until his death in 2010 at the age of 38, a death that Feldman blames on the men who abused the actor.

    Feldman’s comments come just days after another former child star, Elijah Wood, also gave an interview talking about the pedophilia problem in Hollywood.

    ‘He had more direct abuse than I did. With me, there were some molestations and it did come from several hands, so to speak, but with Corey, his was direct rape, whereas mine was not actual rape,’ said Feldman of the sexual abuse suffered by Haim.

    ‘And his also occurred when he was 11. My son is 11 now and I can’t even begin to fathom the idea of something like that happening to him. It would destroy his whole being.’

    Feldman then made the shocking claim that many people in the industry were aware that he and Haim were being abused by these older men, and that no one did anything to stop it or help the boys.

    ‘This person uses intimidation and threats as a way to keep people quiet. And all these men were all friends,’ explained Feldman.

    ‘Ask anybody in our group of kids at that time: They were passing us back and forth to each other. [Alison Arngrim] from Little House on the Prairie said [in an interview], “Everybody knew that the two Coreys were just being passed around.”

    ‘Like it was something people joked about on studio lots. We’re not talking about huge executives and directors that I am aware of that were involved in this. The people that I knew doing it were publicists, they were photographers for teen magazines, things like that.’

    Feldman said that it was generally actors between the ages of 10 and 16 who were targeted by these men, who would meet their young victims at awards shows, private parties and even charity functions.

    Once these adults had decided on a victim they began the process of grooming not only the child actor Feldman explained but also their parent or guardian.

    Feldman said that when he was 15 he was being abused by a man who was actually employed by his own father at the management company he ran, and that neither one of his parents had any idea.

    He also chalked up their ignorance to the fact that both were ‘very abusive and very selfish.’

    One thing Feldman does not, or rather cannot, discuss however is the names of the individuals who molested him and raped Haim.

    Feldman said that even though he would like to identify the men responsible he has to keep it quiet for legal reasons and since the statute of limitations has passed on the crimes.

    ‘We should be talking to the district attorneys and the lawmakers in California, especially because this is where the entertainment industry is and this is a place where adults have more direct and inappropriate connection with children than probably anywhere else in the world,’ said Feldman.

    In the interview Feldman also made it clear that the sexual abuse of children by adults is not only still a problem in Hollywood, but one that is getting worse with time.

    ‘They reach out to little kids on Twitter, they reach out to little kids on Facebook, and they say, “I’m a big producer and I can help you,”‘ said Feldman.

    ‘With social media we have more access than ever to everybody. It’s a growing problem, not a shrinking problem.’

    One of the men who molested him still works in the industry Feldman said, adding that while he has run in to him over the years he has never tried to confront the man…

    In that book he revealed that the first time they tried cocaine was with two of the men who were abusing them.

    Feldman also wrote in the book about Haim having sex with adult men on the set of Lucas and The Lost Boys, sharing a story he claims Haim told him one of the first times they met.

    ‘At some point during the filming [of Lucas], he explained an adult male convinced him that it was perfectly normal for older men and younger boys in the business to have sexual relations, that it was what all “guys do,” wrote Feldman.

    ‘So they walked off to a secluded area between two trailers, during a lunch break for the cast and crew, and Haim, innocent and ambitious as he was, allowed himself to be sodomized.’

    Feldman also wrote about Haim spending time with Martin Weiss, a well known manager of child actors, while they were filming The Lost Boys.

    He claimed in the book that one day on set Haim, who was 15 during filming, was aroused and wanted to have sex.

    ‘Marty’s gay? Why don’t you ask him?’ wrote Feldman.

    ‘The two walked, single file, into the adjoining room. … I heard sounds, banging, thumping. I felt my stomach flip-flop. I felt sick.’

    Weiss was arrested in 2011 after one of his clients told police he had been sexually abused by the man starting when he was just 11-years-old, claiming the incidents happened 30 to 40 times over a roughly three years period.

    He eventually pleaded no contest to two counts of child molestation in 2012 and was sentenced to a year in jail and five years probation.

    Weiss was immediately released after entering his plea for time served.

    Feldman also detailed a night when he received oral sex from a man after he was fed a cocktail of drugs.

    The abuse at the hands of that man, who he called ‘Ron’ in the book, went on for years after that first incident.

    ‘I don’t know why I couldn’t confront Ron, but I was consumed with guilt. I felt like the whole thing was my fault,’ wrote Feldman.

    ‘I desperately wanted him to stop, but I was afraid of losing my friend.’

    Feldman said in his book that he did at one point name some of the men who abused himself and Haim to authorities, but claimed that they chose to ignore the allegations and allowed the statue of limitations to run out without conducting an investigation or pressing any charges.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3611046/I-molested-passed-Corey-Feldman-details-horrors-Hollywood-pedophile-ring-reveals-Corey-Haim-just-11-raped-leading-life-drugs.html#ixzz4QbAap8AY

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  • @FKA Max
    Some new updates on the PizzaGate investigation/reporting, and some interesting and disturbing information that was brought to my attention regarding James Alefantis:

    Local CBS Reporter Ben Swann Blows "The Red Sauce And Cheese" Story Wide Open

    https://youtu.be/hnLqQbHZbFc

    Published on Jan 17, 2017

    Local CBS46 news channel's Ben Swann reported this evening on PizzaGate, calling to light some of the strangest content found by citizen journalists and asking the question "why hasn't any of this been investigated by law enforcement".

    Debunking the myth of FakeNews in a brilliant manner, Ben Swann has just positioned himself as an enemy of main stream media, globalists, and a possible contender for a Pulitzer prize.

    Loving Ben Swann? Check out his awesome report on Jeffrey Epstein from 2015: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1574409

    What James Alefantis allegedly did here is not illegal, but speaks volumes about his character, in my opinion, if the story indeed is true:

    In the District of Columbia, the age of consent for sex is 16 years old. Unlike some other states, the District of Columbia does not have a separate law for homosexual conduct. Furthermore, the law is written in gender-neutral language, so it appears to apply equally to heterosexual as well as homosexual conduct.
     


    Ok so this story is anecdotal but I can vouch on source as 100% telling the truth. S[ource] is my family member who has never heard of pizza gate but lives in DC. I asked about Comet Pizza because we went there when I've visited. She immediately knew about allegations of pedo against James Alefantis and told me locals were banding together to defend the local beloved pizza joint. I asked if she knew James, no, but she had a friend.
    Carole Greenwood was that friend. A local famous for cooking for her neighbors parties. So some of them decided to pool money and invest in a restaurant for her to run. She ends up becoming business partners with James Afelantis. She was head chef for both comet and bucks fishing camping. Until…
    http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/food/blog/13125543/adios-carole-greenwood
    http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/food/blog/13128890/carole-greenwood-pops-up-the-nomadic-dinner-party-pioneer-is-itching-to-get-back-in-a-real-kitchen
    Then the vague 'urgent family matters' happens and she leaves DC for 3 years.
    It turns out that Carole's son, who is +/-18 at this time, is also working at the restaurant. I think his name is Dylan/Dillon. He grew up without a father and turned to James Alefantis often for advice.
    One night Carole walked into the comet pizza kitchen, and saw James Alefantis fucking her son in the kitchen. She was furious because she immediately knew how completely James had taken advantage of her son. She quit immediately and denounced James viciously in private, unwilling to do so publicly for professional reasons.
    After telling me this my source told me she had never connected that to him being a pedo. After that story she never went back because whenever she ran into him she could tell something was wrong with him. She says she completely believes he's a pedo now, and she's seriously the least judging person I've ever met.
    So take that as an anecdote against James character and sanitation practices I guess? I've been lurking for awhile but I knew when I actually got a 3 degrees of separation story to the guy I had to put it out there.
    2 months ago
     
    - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1574385

    IDENTIFYING A PSYCHOPATH: Alefantis Fox News Interview - A CLOSER Look

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbPYf9GLSZs

    Published on Dec 17, 2016

    A closer look and analysis of the body language of Alef[a]ntis on Fox News. I see a guilty Psychopath. What do you see?

    Careers with highest proportion of psychopaths

    According to Dutton, the ten careers that have the highest proportion of psychopaths are:[12]

    [...] 9. Chef [...]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_in_the_workplace#Careers_with_highest_proportion_of_psychopaths

    Thanks for sharing that, FKA Max!

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  • @FKA Max
    Welcome new development!

    Update: The PizzaGateGear guy just released a Youtube video telling everyone that he shut down his PizzaGateGear website and refunded everyone's money who bought merchandise from him.
    He still maintains his story, that James Alefantis called him and threatened he and his family, but the video pretty much is an implicit admission that he made up the story, in my opinion.

    In the video he is constantly looking down into the bottom-left corner of his field of vision, which according to body language experts is one of the sure signs, that somebody is lying, i.e., uncomfortable with what they are talking about. He did the same thing in the video in which he claimed, that James Alefantis called him, etc., which was an indication for me, that he was not honest. With left-handed people, it is the reverse; they would be looking down into the bottom-right corner of their field of vision, if they were lying.

    Looking down can thus be a signal of submission. It can also indicate that the person is feeling guilty.
     
    - http://changingminds.org/techniques/body/parts_body_language/eyes_body_language.htm

    Psychopaths however have been known to be able to pass lie detector tests, so these body language analysis techniques often do not work on them:

    His team of lawyers included Gerald Lefcourt, Alan Dershowitz and later Ken Starr.[10] Epstein passed a lie detector test in which he was asked whether he knew of the underage status of the girls—although lie detector tests are generally not admissible in a court of law.[22][23]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Solicitation_of_prostitution

    Research suggests there may be a biological component to the sociopath's fearlessness. Sociopaths are remarkably tolerant of electric shock (Hare & Schalling, 1978). Under tense conditions they show heart rate acceleration but few other signs of stress—no sweaty palms, for example. They typically pass a lie detector test even if they are lying. Ability to pass a lie detector test is part of the FBI's profile for murderers who mutilate their victims, because this type of person is usually an antisocial personality.
     
    - http://www.intropsych.com/ch12_abnormal/antisocial_personality.html

    Week 1 Update

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQQbhWGOf2s

    Published on Jan 13, 2017

    Thanks to all those who have been concerned with my safety and all those who send their support. It's truly appreciated.

    Here is the post by the voat user who first exposed him:

    throwawaa 123 points (+124|-1) 8 days ago (edited 6 days ago)

    He has NO PROOF he talked with Alefantis. In 30 seconds I reproduced this video by right clicking the name on a chat window in facebook, clicking Inspect Element, and then editing the url that the link goes to. That link stays the same even if you click Home, because the chat window is not reloaded. http://sli.mg/0TAgTw.pngPNG

    He needs to do a livestream and prove it in multiple different ways suggested on the fly by other trusted people here. One example would be (on livestream) to restart his web browser, open up facebook, open up the chat, and click the name like he did in his proof video. He claims he is no longer able to view Alefantis' profile (I still can), but we would still be able to see that his browser tried to visit that url and was blocked or redirected. That is, if it's worth the effort to prove this. But if we can't prove it, it's not really much use to us.

    He is already making money off pizzagate through his tshirt website, which he advertises in his videos. This gives him a monetary incentive to make this up, to get more attention. I'm not accusing him of lying, just saying there's no proof so we shouldn't all waste our time on this until it is proven.

    EDIT: 12 hours later, IsThisGameOfThrones has not replied (http://archive.is/w3BfF)) to my PM or to any of these comments demanding proof.

    EDIT: Two days later, he has replied to many other comments to say that it is real, but not to this one with 100+ upvotes that explains how to actually prove it.

    That to me is evidence this is a fake, and my guess is either he wants to undermine the credibility of pizzagate by throwing a fake story into the mix, or he's trying to make money. I don't like saying that someone is lying but I will remain skeptical until he provides the requested proof.
     
    - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1541808/7505552

    Some new updates on the PizzaGate investigation/reporting, and some interesting and disturbing information that was brought to my attention regarding James Alefantis:

    Local CBS Reporter Ben Swann Blows “The Red Sauce And Cheese” Story Wide Open

    Published on Jan 17, 2017

    Local CBS46 news channel’s Ben Swann reported this evening on PizzaGate, calling to light some of the strangest content found by citizen journalists and asking the question “why hasn’t any of this been investigated by law enforcement”.

    Debunking the myth of FakeNews in a brilliant manner, Ben Swann has just positioned himself as an enemy of main stream media, globalists, and a possible contender for a Pulitzer prize.

    Loving Ben Swann? Check out his awesome report on Jeffrey Epstein from 2015: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1574409

    [MORE]

    What James Alefantis allegedly did here is not illegal, but speaks volumes about his character, in my opinion, if the story indeed is true:

    In the District of Columbia, the age of consent for sex is 16 years old. Unlike some other states, the District of Columbia does not have a separate law for homosexual conduct. Furthermore, the law is written in gender-neutral language, so it appears to apply equally to heterosexual as well as homosexual conduct.

    Ok so this story is anecdotal but I can vouch on source as 100% telling the truth. S[ource] is my family member who has never heard of pizza gate but lives in DC. I asked about Comet Pizza because we went there when I’ve visited. She immediately knew about allegations of pedo against James Alefantis and told me locals were banding together to defend the local beloved pizza joint. I asked if she knew James, no, but she had a friend.
    Carole Greenwood was that friend. A local famous for cooking for her neighbors parties. So some of them decided to pool money and invest in a restaurant for her to run. She ends up becoming business partners with James Afelantis. She was head chef for both comet and bucks fishing camping. Until…

    http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/food/blog/13125543/adios-carole-greenwood

    http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/food/blog/13128890/carole-greenwood-pops-up-the-nomadic-dinner-party-pioneer-is-itching-to-get-back-in-a-real-kitchen

    Then the vague ‘urgent family matters’ happens and she leaves DC for 3 years.
    It turns out that Carole’s son, who is +/-18 at this time, is also working at the restaurant. I think his name is Dylan/Dillon. He grew up without a father and turned to James Alefantis often for advice.
    One night Carole walked into the comet pizza kitchen, and saw James Alefantis fucking her son in the kitchen. She was furious because she immediately knew how completely James had taken advantage of her son. She quit immediately and denounced James viciously in private, unwilling to do so publicly for professional reasons.
    After telling me this my source told me she had never connected that to him being a pedo. After that story she never went back because whenever she ran into him she could tell something was wrong with him. She says she completely believes he’s a pedo now, and she’s seriously the least judging person I’ve ever met.
    So take that as an anecdote against James character and sanitation practices I guess? I’ve been lurking for awhile but I knew when I actually got a 3 degrees of separation story to the guy I had to put it out there.
    2 months ago

    https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1574385

    IDENTIFYING A PSYCHOPATH: Alefantis Fox News Interview – A CLOSER Look

    Published on Dec 17, 2016

    A closer look and analysis of the body language of Alef[a]ntis on Fox News. I see a guilty Psychopath. What do you see?

    Careers with highest proportion of psychopaths

    According to Dutton, the ten careers that have the highest proportion of psychopaths are:[12]

    [...] 9. Chef [...]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_in_the_workplace#Careers_with_highest_proportion_of_psychopaths

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    • Replies: @Junior
    Thanks for sharing that, FKA Max!
    , @FKA Max
    The story checks out, so far: Carole Greenwood is a single mom and has a son named Dylan, who was 13 years old/young in 2003.

    Restaurant Moms

    By Julia Watson May 7, 2003

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/food/2003/05/07/restaurant-moms/096b1bd3-0e54-4c4a-b620-c7298f6de162/

    Carole Greenwood of Greenwood Restaurant has raised 13-year-old Dylan by herself. Until two years ago, her son spent every night at her parents' house and she saw him only on weekends. "Some days I feel tremendous guilt," she says. "But I made a clear choice to do this on my own."
     
    This is how I found the story:

    [–] daj 16 points (+16|-0) 11 hours ago (edited 10 hours ago)

    It's legit: http://hollaforums.com/thread/8359034/politics/james-alefantis-fucks.html

    Archive: https://archive.fo/iDbWN
     
    - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1574385
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  • @Junior
    "I, Pet Goat II" is by far the most shocking occult piece that I have ever seen. This animated short was made in 2012. Check out what is around the little Hatian Voodoo Girls neck as the Skull & Bones pedophile in his underwear sitting next to her unwraps his "present". The same yellow beads from the #chickenlover picture posted by Alefantis of the grown man holding the baby with the yellow beads wrapped around the two of them.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n_xCI-peq0

    It’s at 3:27 of the video. There is pedophilic symbolism all throughout the movie, but this one is the most revealing to me. This movie truly is apocalyptic in it’s unveiling of their plan. This is not coincidence.

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  • “I, Pet Goat II” is by far the most shocking occult piece that I have ever seen. This animated short was made in 2012. Check out what is around the little Hatian Voodoo Girls neck as the Skull & Bones pedophile in his underwear sitting next to her unwraps his “present”. The same yellow beads from the #chickenlover picture posted by Alefantis of the grown man holding the baby with the yellow beads wrapped around the two of them.

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    • Replies: @Junior
    It's at 3:27 of the video. There is pedophilic symbolism all throughout the movie, but this one is the most revealing to me. This movie truly is apocalyptic in it's unveiling of their plan. This is not coincidence.
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  • @Eagle Eye
    Interesting post on another thread (full post contains sources, well worth reading):

    http://www.unz.com/forum/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-democrats-cheer/#comment-1727156

    Norway Child Sex Ring Busted- “Operation Darkroom”

    ....

    Police stressed that the case involves a network. The investigation is ongoing, as it does have global implications- including the United States. Although, the U.S. media is busy with their denials, lies and cover ups involving Pizzagate and “fake news,”- meanwhile, this huge child sex abuse story is being taken care of and handled in Norway, as it should be here in the U.S.

    http://victuruslibertas.com/2016/12/norway-child-sex-ring-busted-operation-darkroom/

    http://www.newsinenglish.no/2016/11/21/huge-pedophile-networks-shock-police/

    After more than a year of intense investigation, with a team of 25 experts working full-time since January, police cracked what they describe as not just one pedophile network in Norway but several. They called it “Operation Dark Room,” based on a large operation carried out in the US by the FBI against the website known as “Playpen.”

    Emphasis added. If I’m reading that correctly, the Norwegian operation sprang from an American operation. Just as this FBI operation wasn’t all over the MSM, Pizzagate isn’t. But the Pizzagate ‘investigators’ didn’t seem to know about the US-linked Norwegian case. Why not? Inquiring minds want to know.

    Several of those arrested in recent months are highly educated with high levels of competence within information technology. They wrongly thought, however, that they were operating anonymously in the darkest areas of the Internet.

    If only they’d used a code eh? Like zoo animals or something. Then they could have stayed hidden for longer perhaps.

    In order to make sure the child wouldn’t tell anyone about the assault afterwards, they discussed whether they should drug her or threaten her into silence.

    Hmmm, no mention of disappearing the poor children altogether so far. Unlike Pizzagate where they’re all dead and buried, slaughtered in killing rooms. I suppose Americans are much more hardcore than those European pussies though.

    So yeah, this is all a very promising, very exciting development for Pizzagate.

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  • @FKA Max
    Welcome new development!

    Update: The PizzaGateGear guy just released a Youtube video telling everyone that he shut down his PizzaGateGear website and refunded everyone's money who bought merchandise from him.
    He still maintains his story, that James Alefantis called him and threatened he and his family, but the video pretty much is an implicit admission that he made up the story, in my opinion.

    In the video he is constantly looking down into the bottom-left corner of his field of vision, which according to body language experts is one of the sure signs, that somebody is lying, i.e., uncomfortable with what they are talking about. He did the same thing in the video in which he claimed, that James Alefantis called him, etc., which was an indication for me, that he was not honest. With left-handed people, it is the reverse; they would be looking down into the bottom-right corner of their field of vision, if they were lying.

    Looking down can thus be a signal of submission. It can also indicate that the person is feeling guilty.
     
    - http://changingminds.org/techniques/body/parts_body_language/eyes_body_language.htm

    Psychopaths however have been known to be able to pass lie detector tests, so these body language analysis techniques often do not work on them:

    His team of lawyers included Gerald Lefcourt, Alan Dershowitz and later Ken Starr.[10] Epstein passed a lie detector test in which he was asked whether he knew of the underage status of the girls—although lie detector tests are generally not admissible in a court of law.[22][23]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Solicitation_of_prostitution

    Research suggests there may be a biological component to the sociopath's fearlessness. Sociopaths are remarkably tolerant of electric shock (Hare & Schalling, 1978). Under tense conditions they show heart rate acceleration but few other signs of stress—no sweaty palms, for example. They typically pass a lie detector test even if they are lying. Ability to pass a lie detector test is part of the FBI's profile for murderers who mutilate their victims, because this type of person is usually an antisocial personality.
     
    - http://www.intropsych.com/ch12_abnormal/antisocial_personality.html

    Week 1 Update

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQQbhWGOf2s

    Published on Jan 13, 2017

    Thanks to all those who have been concerned with my safety and all those who send their support. It's truly appreciated.

    Here is the post by the voat user who first exposed him:

    throwawaa 123 points (+124|-1) 8 days ago (edited 6 days ago)

    He has NO PROOF he talked with Alefantis. In 30 seconds I reproduced this video by right clicking the name on a chat window in facebook, clicking Inspect Element, and then editing the url that the link goes to. That link stays the same even if you click Home, because the chat window is not reloaded. http://sli.mg/0TAgTw.pngPNG

    He needs to do a livestream and prove it in multiple different ways suggested on the fly by other trusted people here. One example would be (on livestream) to restart his web browser, open up facebook, open up the chat, and click the name like he did in his proof video. He claims he is no longer able to view Alefantis' profile (I still can), but we would still be able to see that his browser tried to visit that url and was blocked or redirected. That is, if it's worth the effort to prove this. But if we can't prove it, it's not really much use to us.

    He is already making money off pizzagate through his tshirt website, which he advertises in his videos. This gives him a monetary incentive to make this up, to get more attention. I'm not accusing him of lying, just saying there's no proof so we shouldn't all waste our time on this until it is proven.

    EDIT: 12 hours later, IsThisGameOfThrones has not replied (http://archive.is/w3BfF)) to my PM or to any of these comments demanding proof.

    EDIT: Two days later, he has replied to many other comments to say that it is real, but not to this one with 100+ upvotes that explains how to actually prove it.

    That to me is evidence this is a fake, and my guess is either he wants to undermine the credibility of pizzagate by throwing a fake story into the mix, or he's trying to make money. I don't like saying that someone is lying but I will remain skeptical until he provides the requested proof.
     
    - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1541808/7505552

    No surprises there really. If the establishment media is full of liars, fabricators and shysters, naturally the alternative media will be too. Caveat emptor, as ever.

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  • Interesting post on another thread (full post contains sources, well worth reading):

    http://www.unz.com/forum/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-democrats-cheer/#comment-1727156

    Norway Child Sex Ring Busted- “Operation Darkroom”

    ….

    Police stressed that the case involves a network. The investigation is ongoing, as it does have global implications- including the United States. Although, the U.S. media is busy with their denials, lies and cover ups involving Pizzagate and “fake news,”- meanwhile, this huge child sex abuse story is being taken care of and handled in Norway, as it should be here in the U.S.

    http://victuruslibertas.com/2016/12/norway-child-sex-ring-busted-operation-darkroom/

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    http://www.newsinenglish.no/2016/11/21/huge-pedophile-networks-shock-police/

    After more than a year of intense investigation, with a team of 25 experts working full-time since January, police cracked what they describe as not just one pedophile network in Norway but several. They called it “Operation Dark Room,” based on a large operation carried out in the US by the FBI against the website known as “Playpen.”
     
    Emphasis added. If I'm reading that correctly, the Norwegian operation sprang from an American operation. Just as this FBI operation wasn't all over the MSM, Pizzagate isn't. But the Pizzagate 'investigators' didn't seem to know about the US-linked Norwegian case. Why not? Inquiring minds want to know.

    Several of those arrested in recent months are highly educated with high levels of competence within information technology. They wrongly thought, however, that they were operating anonymously in the darkest areas of the Internet.
     
    If only they'd used a code eh? Like zoo animals or something. Then they could have stayed hidden for longer perhaps.

    In order to make sure the child wouldn’t tell anyone about the assault afterwards, they discussed whether they should drug her or threaten her into silence.
     
    Hmmm, no mention of disappearing the poor children altogether so far. Unlike Pizzagate where they're all dead and buried, slaughtered in killing rooms. I suppose Americans are much more hardcore than those European pussies though.

    So yeah, this is all a very promising, very exciting development for Pizzagate.
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  • Beginning in 1997, in an English town of more than 100,000 people, eight Pakistani men stood at the core of a group involving as many as three hundred suspects who abused, gang-raped, pimped and trafficked, by the most conservative estimate, well over a thousand of the town’s young girls for years. The police were eventually...
  • Remember how hard Penn State tried to hush up their own very-large very-long abuse scandal; they got what the abusers and coverers-up deserved… or did they?

    If I had been on a jury I would have asked for them to be out of sports for at least ten times as long as Sandusky had been abusing and the school had been ignoring it.

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  • To reiterate a point that should be clear to the more astute reader, my goal in this series (part 1, part 2) has not been to defend “Pizzagate” as such. My goal has been to defend the people who want to investigate it against specific accusations levied against them by people who think Pizzagate has...
  • @FKA Max
    He is likely one of those pesky opportunists/operators, I briefly mentioned in an earlier comment, that intentionally or unintentionally bring the entire investigation and debate into disrepute with their antics:

    Weirdos, hysterics and opportunists just come with the territory/are part of the package.

    It is a two/multiple-front war…
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1710072

    Some other - I believe sincere - Pizzagate investigators are doubting his story and sincerity, as well. His Youtube channel is called ``PizzaGateGear.'' He sells Pizzagate merchandise, e.g. T-shirts, etc., so monetary gain and attention seem to be his primary motivation for investigating Pizzagate: https://www.pizzagategear.com/

    Alefantis Threatens Pizzagate Researcher?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg-EhwK0FX8

    Published on Jan 6, 2017

    Did James Alefantis really threaten a pizzagate researcher, threatening to harm his family if he didn't take his Pegasus Museum Killroom video off YouTube? Or is this a hoax?

    Here a selection of skeptical commenters from the comment section of that video:

    MW M12 hours ago
    Where is a copy of the actual police report? Not the case number on a card, but the actual written/typed report stating the nature of the complaint, the parties to the complaint, and etc., These are given to an individual filing a report.

    tito20 hours ago
    He uploaded a video showing his Online Bill call log, he accidentally showed JA's number. I phoned it from anon voip, it wasn't JA. HOAX

    Stormy Knight1 day ago
    if he wants to clear his name and not be called a shill. all he would have to do is delete his pizzagategear dot com Web page and prove he's not just doing this for money. that is all it would take

    ACSW33TS1 day ago (edited)
    its an easy avenue of excuse to say he's doing it for money to sell tshirts & other crap (and less damaging) than doing it for intelligence agencies or groups purposely trying to divert online community investigating into dead ends...Alex Jones does similar, he's getting let off the hook because he sells seeds now, the seed guy not somebody working for intelligence groups to dissuade and make the truth movement seem ridiculous as its supposed leader.
     

    Welcome new development!

    Update: The PizzaGateGear guy just released a Youtube video telling everyone that he shut down his PizzaGateGear website and refunded everyone’s money who bought merchandise from him.
    He still maintains his story, that James Alefantis called him and threatened he and his family, but the video pretty much is an implicit admission that he made up the story, in my opinion.

    In the video he is constantly looking down into the bottom-left corner of his field of vision, which according to body language experts is one of the sure signs, that somebody is lying, i.e., uncomfortable with what they are talking about. He did the same thing in the video in which he claimed, that James Alefantis called him, etc., which was an indication for me, that he was not honest. With left-handed people, it is the reverse; they would be looking down into the bottom-right corner of their field of vision, if they were lying.

    Looking down can thus be a signal of submission. It can also indicate that the person is feeling guilty.

    http://changingminds.org/techniques/body/parts_body_language/eyes_body_language.htm

    Psychopaths however have been known to be able to pass lie detector tests, so these body language analysis techniques often do not work on them:

    His team of lawyers included Gerald Lefcourt, Alan Dershowitz and later Ken Starr.[10] Epstein passed a lie detector test in which he was asked whether he knew of the underage status of the girls—although lie detector tests are generally not admissible in a court of law.[22][23]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Solicitation_of_prostitution

    Research suggests there may be a biological component to the sociopath’s fearlessness. Sociopaths are remarkably tolerant of electric shock (Hare & Schalling, 1978). Under tense conditions they show heart rate acceleration but few other signs of stress—no sweaty palms, for example. They typically pass a lie detector test even if they are lying. Ability to pass a lie detector test is part of the FBI’s profile for murderers who mutilate their victims, because this type of person is usually an antisocial personality.

    http://www.intropsych.com/ch12_abnormal/antisocial_personality.html

    Week 1 Update

    Published on Jan 13, 2017

    Thanks to all those who have been concerned with my safety and all those who send their support. It’s truly appreciated.

    Here is the post by the voat user who first exposed him:

    throwawaa 123 points (+124|-1) 8 days ago (edited 6 days ago)

    He has NO PROOF he talked with Alefantis. In 30 seconds I reproduced this video by right clicking the name on a chat window in facebook, clicking Inspect Element, and then editing the url that the link goes to. That link stays the same even if you click Home, because the chat window is not reloaded. http://sli.mg/0TAgTw.pngPNG

    He needs to do a livestream and prove it in multiple different ways suggested on the fly by other trusted people here. One example would be (on livestream) to restart his web browser, open up facebook, open up the chat, and click the name like he did in his proof video. He claims he is no longer able to view Alefantis’ profile (I still can), but we would still be able to see that his browser tried to visit that url and was blocked or redirected. That is, if it’s worth the effort to prove this. But if we can’t prove it, it’s not really much use to us.

    He is already making money off pizzagate through his tshirt website, which he advertises in his videos. This gives him a monetary incentive to make this up, to get more attention. I’m not accusing him of lying, just saying there’s no proof so we shouldn’t all waste our time on this until it is proven.

    EDIT: 12 hours later, IsThisGameOfThrones has not replied (http://archive.is/w3BfF)) to my PM or to any of these comments demanding proof.

    EDIT: Two days later, he has replied to many other comments to say that it is real, but not to this one with 100+ upvotes that explains how to actually prove it.

    That to me is evidence this is a fake, and my guess is either he wants to undermine the credibility of pizzagate by throwing a fake story into the mix, or he’s trying to make money. I don’t like saying that someone is lying but I will remain skeptical until he provides the requested proof.

    https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1541808/7505552

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    No surprises there really. If the establishment media is full of liars, fabricators and shysters, naturally the alternative media will be too. Caveat emptor, as ever.
    , @FKA Max
    Some new updates on the PizzaGate investigation/reporting, and some interesting and disturbing information that was brought to my attention regarding James Alefantis:

    Local CBS Reporter Ben Swann Blows "The Red Sauce And Cheese" Story Wide Open

    https://youtu.be/hnLqQbHZbFc

    Published on Jan 17, 2017

    Local CBS46 news channel's Ben Swann reported this evening on PizzaGate, calling to light some of the strangest content found by citizen journalists and asking the question "why hasn't any of this been investigated by law enforcement".

    Debunking the myth of FakeNews in a brilliant manner, Ben Swann has just positioned himself as an enemy of main stream media, globalists, and a possible contender for a Pulitzer prize.

    Loving Ben Swann? Check out his awesome report on Jeffrey Epstein from 2015: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1574409

    What James Alefantis allegedly did here is not illegal, but speaks volumes about his character, in my opinion, if the story indeed is true:

    In the District of Columbia, the age of consent for sex is 16 years old. Unlike some other states, the District of Columbia does not have a separate law for homosexual conduct. Furthermore, the law is written in gender-neutral language, so it appears to apply equally to heterosexual as well as homosexual conduct.
     


    Ok so this story is anecdotal but I can vouch on source as 100% telling the truth. S[ource] is my family member who has never heard of pizza gate but lives in DC. I asked about Comet Pizza because we went there when I've visited. She immediately knew about allegations of pedo against James Alefantis and told me locals were banding together to defend the local beloved pizza joint. I asked if she knew James, no, but she had a friend.
    Carole Greenwood was that friend. A local famous for cooking for her neighbors parties. So some of them decided to pool money and invest in a restaurant for her to run. She ends up becoming business partners with James Afelantis. She was head chef for both comet and bucks fishing camping. Until…
    http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/food/blog/13125543/adios-carole-greenwood
    http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/food/blog/13128890/carole-greenwood-pops-up-the-nomadic-dinner-party-pioneer-is-itching-to-get-back-in-a-real-kitchen
    Then the vague 'urgent family matters' happens and she leaves DC for 3 years.
    It turns out that Carole's son, who is +/-18 at this time, is also working at the restaurant. I think his name is Dylan/Dillon. He grew up without a father and turned to James Alefantis often for advice.
    One night Carole walked into the comet pizza kitchen, and saw James Alefantis fucking her son in the kitchen. She was furious because she immediately knew how completely James had taken advantage of her son. She quit immediately and denounced James viciously in private, unwilling to do so publicly for professional reasons.
    After telling me this my source told me she had never connected that to him being a pedo. After that story she never went back because whenever she ran into him she could tell something was wrong with him. She says she completely believes he's a pedo now, and she's seriously the least judging person I've ever met.
    So take that as an anecdote against James character and sanitation practices I guess? I've been lurking for awhile but I knew when I actually got a 3 degrees of separation story to the guy I had to put it out there.
    2 months ago
     
    - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1574385

    IDENTIFYING A PSYCHOPATH: Alefantis Fox News Interview - A CLOSER Look

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbPYf9GLSZs

    Published on Dec 17, 2016

    A closer look and analysis of the body language of Alef[a]ntis on Fox News. I see a guilty Psychopath. What do you see?

    Careers with highest proportion of psychopaths

    According to Dutton, the ten careers that have the highest proportion of psychopaths are:[12]

    [...] 9. Chef [...]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_in_the_workplace#Careers_with_highest_proportion_of_psychopaths
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  • Every attempt to discuss Pizzagate and its ‘evidence’ is met by the response of the squid — some wild ad hominem, some accusations of trolling and insincerity, some references to other unrelated and irrelevant cases, or a call for an investigation by some other agency. Anything to avoid discussing the evidence itself.

    It’s a very clear pattern.

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  • As noted some 100 POSTS AGO:

    With every posting by [obvious disinformation artists on this and other threads], PIZZAGATE GETS BIGGER.

    Aka the “Streisand Effect.”

    http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1717056

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  • Re “precedents,”
    I think it is also a sort of precedent, in a “the dog that didn’t bark” way,
    is the case of the DC madam, Deborah Palfrey.
    I am not suggesting that the DC madam case is connected directly to Pizzagate.
    Which I emphasize to try to head of rabid mouth foaming before it starts.
    IMO the case is thought-provoking regarding the fate of people who have incriminating evidence against powerful people regarding their sexual activities—and of the evidence itself.
    Palfrey let it be known that she had a lot of incriminating evidence in her client and phone logs. There may be other info in there, such as her clients’ preferences.
    Soon she had committed suicide, and the contents of her client log, sealed by the court.
    Which they still are.

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/years-later-the-dc-madam-scandal-relevant-once-more

    John Roberts denied the a motion to unseal the docs in April of last year.
    Presumably Roberts has seen the logs and knows what info they contain.
    Roberts may have called it right not to release this type of info into the campaign.
    Although in that case the one-sided obsession with Trump’s pussy grabbing calls for some even-Stephen revelations regarding others.
    What really makes this episode stink is Palfrey’s suicide.
    Leaves a lot of questions.

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  • @NoseytheDuke
    Once again RodW demonstrates the classic methods of disinfo (though inexpertly utilised). Here is RodW doing exactly what he claims others are doing,

    "hysterical use of capitalisation" There's nothing hysterical about capitalising HUGE to emphasise the meaning of the word and the way it is being used. Hysterical is using the word hysterical to claim it as such.

    "The MSM has reported Pizzagate, and has dismissed it, for reasons that you simply refuse to accept" Since when does the "news" media determine the direction of investigations undertaken by police and the law?

    Big Media has little to no credibility left anyway and has been outed as being complicit in the undermining of America and the west. Did you not yet get the memo? A rejection of MSM influence by increasing numbers of people has resulted in Trump, Brexit and future similar events such as a possible Frexit.

    "There’s been no censorship" Misreporting might be a better term. Like the child molestation cases in various church institutions that have been exposed in recent years, they were ridiculed and covered up for many years only to be proven true once the evidence became overwhelming and proper investigations took place.

    There are enough coincidences and suspicious circumstances to warrant an investigation into Pizzagate, for some odd reason this troubles you greatly. Is it your fear of the exposure of corruption in government that bothers you the most? or your fear that those who prey on children be brought to justice? You previously gave the reason as being that people like the Podestas shouldn't be harassed (Hysteria much?) by police but that has already been discounted since assisting the police in their lawful investigations is not considered harassment.

    Once again RodW demonstrates the classic methods of disinfo

    Let’s just try and clear this up once and for all shall we?
    We are having a discussion in an Internet forum. This isn’t a tribunal, nor is it a nationally broadcast television program. My opinions will reach very few people indeed, and will likely influence them even less. Even if they were to change their minds, the impact on the world at large would be undetectable. The same applies to your opinions too. So why do you think I would even bother using ‘methods of disinfo’? I’m just expressing some simple opinions that don’t happen to gel with yours. Big deal.

    Since when does the “news” media determine the direction of investigations undertaken by police and the law?

    What are you talking about? There is no sign of an investigation because what evidence there is far from persuasive. It can be dismissed in very few words.

    Big Media has little to no credibility left anyway and has been outed as being complicit in the undermining of America and the west. Did you not yet get the memo?

    The media is often wrong, except when it’s right. It’s often right too. It’s always been the case, and there was no memo.

    Like the child molestation cases in various church institutions that have been exposed in recent years, they were ridiculed and covered up for many years only to be proven true once the evidence became overwhelming and proper investigations took place.

    Even in this regard, the evidence is poor. There were always rumours flying about Jimmy Savile and Catholic priests. Actual complaints from actual victims were suppressed. You can find a video of Johnny Rotten making veiled accusations about Savile. Where is the similar evidence for the Podestas? I suppose all the victims are dead and buried?

    Is it your fear of the exposure of corruption in government that bothers you the most? or your fear that those who prey on children be brought to justice?

    Yes, that’s it, you’ve got right to the heart of the matter. Er, no, I’m just of the opinion that if I can show that most of the evidence is bullshit myself, any other objective investigator is likely to find the same thing. And as a conservative of sorts, I don’t like the Jacobinism of investigating people for nothing.

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  • @RodW

    As Ron Unz has pointed out, the extremely heavy censorship throughout traditional and electronic media suggests that Pizzagate is MUCH bigger than the Podestas.
     
    There you go again with your non sequiturs, appeals to authority, and hysterical use of capitalization. The MSM has reported Pizzagate, and has dismissed it, for reasons that you simply refuse to accept. There's been no censorship. The MSM even reported the McCann efits and explained why it isn't evidence. Your claims are simply untrue.

    Once again RodW demonstrates the classic methods of disinfo (though inexpertly utilised). Here is RodW doing exactly what he claims others are doing,

    “hysterical use of capitalisation” There’s nothing hysterical about capitalising HUGE to emphasise the meaning of the word and the way it is being used. Hysterical is using the word hysterical to claim it as such.

    “The MSM has reported Pizzagate, and has dismissed it, for reasons that you simply refuse to accept” Since when does the “news” media determine the direction of investigations undertaken by police and the law?

    Big Media has little to no credibility left anyway and has been outed as being complicit in the undermining of America and the west. Did you not yet get the memo? A rejection of MSM influence by increasing numbers of people has resulted in Trump, Brexit and future similar events such as a possible Frexit.

    “There’s been no censorship” Misreporting might be a better term. Like the child molestation cases in various church institutions that have been exposed in recent years, they were ridiculed and covered up for many years only to be proven true once the evidence became overwhelming and proper investigations took place.

    There are enough coincidences and suspicious circumstances to warrant an investigation into Pizzagate, for some odd reason this troubles you greatly. Is it your fear of the exposure of corruption in government that bothers you the most? or your fear that those who prey on children be brought to justice? You previously gave the reason as being that people like the Podestas shouldn’t be harassed (Hysteria much?) by police but that has already been discounted since assisting the police in their lawful investigations is not considered harassment.

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    Once again RodW demonstrates the classic methods of disinfo
     
    Let's just try and clear this up once and for all shall we?
    We are having a discussion in an Internet forum. This isn't a tribunal, nor is it a nationally broadcast television program. My opinions will reach very few people indeed, and will likely influence them even less. Even if they were to change their minds, the impact on the world at large would be undetectable. The same applies to your opinions too. So why do you think I would even bother using 'methods of disinfo'? I'm just expressing some simple opinions that don't happen to gel with yours. Big deal.

    Since when does the “news” media determine the direction of investigations undertaken by police and the law?
     
    What are you talking about? There is no sign of an investigation because what evidence there is far from persuasive. It can be dismissed in very few words.

    Big Media has little to no credibility left anyway and has been outed as being complicit in the undermining of America and the west. Did you not yet get the memo?
     
    The media is often wrong, except when it's right. It's often right too. It's always been the case, and there was no memo.

    Like the child molestation cases in various church institutions that have been exposed in recent years, they were ridiculed and covered up for many years only to be proven true once the evidence became overwhelming and proper investigations took place.
     
    Even in this regard, the evidence is poor. There were always rumours flying about Jimmy Savile and Catholic priests. Actual complaints from actual victims were suppressed. You can find a video of Johnny Rotten making veiled accusations about Savile. Where is the similar evidence for the Podestas? I suppose all the victims are dead and buried?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lycFr8bdGpo

    Is it your fear of the exposure of corruption in government that bothers you the most? or your fear that those who prey on children be brought to justice?
     
    Yes, that's it, you've got right to the heart of the matter. Er, no, I'm just of the opinion that if I can show that most of the evidence is bullshit myself, any other objective investigator is likely to find the same thing. And as a conservative of sorts, I don't like the Jacobinism of investigating people for nothing.
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  • @Eagle Eye

    ... the reason why people such as the Podestas favour the sort of art pieces that they do, is to assist them in linking up with other like-minded individuals. One can’t say to just anyone, wow, do I feel horny for a 10 year old child today. If people don’t like the art the subject is dismissed due to art being just “arty”, but if the interest is genuine then a connection can be made.
     
    This interpretation makes eminent sense. It also explains why someone like Tony Podesta makes a point of allowing his art collection with himself to be professionally photographed and to be published widely.

    As Ron Unz has pointed out, the extremely heavy censorship throughout traditional and electronic media suggests that Pizzagate is MUCH bigger than the Podestas. It would not be surprising to find that politicians have been "reaching out across the aisle" (in MSM speak) for a piece of pedo action.

    As Ron Unz has pointed out, the extremely heavy censorship throughout traditional and electronic media suggests that Pizzagate is MUCH bigger than the Podestas.

    There you go again with your non sequiturs, appeals to authority, and hysterical use of capitalization. The MSM has reported Pizzagate, and has dismissed it, for reasons that you simply refuse to accept. There’s been no censorship. The MSM even reported the McCann efits and explained why it isn’t evidence. Your claims are simply untrue.

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    Once again RodW demonstrates the classic methods of disinfo (though inexpertly utilised). Here is RodW doing exactly what he claims others are doing,

    "hysterical use of capitalisation" There's nothing hysterical about capitalising HUGE to emphasise the meaning of the word and the way it is being used. Hysterical is using the word hysterical to claim it as such.

    "The MSM has reported Pizzagate, and has dismissed it, for reasons that you simply refuse to accept" Since when does the "news" media determine the direction of investigations undertaken by police and the law?

    Big Media has little to no credibility left anyway and has been outed as being complicit in the undermining of America and the west. Did you not yet get the memo? A rejection of MSM influence by increasing numbers of people has resulted in Trump, Brexit and future similar events such as a possible Frexit.

    "There’s been no censorship" Misreporting might be a better term. Like the child molestation cases in various church institutions that have been exposed in recent years, they were ridiculed and covered up for many years only to be proven true once the evidence became overwhelming and proper investigations took place.

    There are enough coincidences and suspicious circumstances to warrant an investigation into Pizzagate, for some odd reason this troubles you greatly. Is it your fear of the exposure of corruption in government that bothers you the most? or your fear that those who prey on children be brought to justice? You previously gave the reason as being that people like the Podestas shouldn't be harassed (Hysteria much?) by police but that has already been discounted since assisting the police in their lawful investigations is not considered harassment.

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  • @Eagle Eye

    ... the reason why people such as the Podestas favour the sort of art pieces that they do, is to assist them in linking up with other like-minded individuals. One can’t say to just anyone, wow, do I feel horny for a 10 year old child today. If people don’t like the art the subject is dismissed due to art being just “arty”, but if the interest is genuine then a connection can be made.
     
    This interpretation makes eminent sense. It also explains why someone like Tony Podesta makes a point of allowing his art collection with himself to be professionally photographed and to be published widely.

    As Ron Unz has pointed out, the extremely heavy censorship throughout traditional and electronic media suggests that Pizzagate is MUCH bigger than the Podestas. It would not be surprising to find that politicians have been "reaching out across the aisle" (in MSM speak) for a piece of pedo action.

    This interpretation makes eminent sense. It also explains why someone like Tony Podesta makes a point of allowing his art collection with himself to be professionally photographed and to be published widely.

    Yes, it does make sense. But it’s not the only explanation.

    Have you looked at the art in question yourself? The photos by Katy Grannan may be of teenagers, but they’re certainly not of children. They’re of sexually mature people. So where exactly is the paedophile angle there?

    Since the work of Katy Grannan and Biljana Djurdjevic isn’t exclusively or even largely paedophilic, there’s also a potentially innocent explanation for Podesta to share his art. Sharing his art is also a good way of expanding his business network.

    As I’ve said many times, I’m prepared to believe that the Podestas et al. may be paedophiles, but it can scarcely be denied that the evidence presented by everyone who pushes Pizzagate is highly cherry-picked and presented to be maximally damaging. The same photos and the same expressions are used repeatedly. Links to the artists in question aren’t generally offered, because doing so would undermine the case being made.

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  • @Eagle Eye

    ... the reason why people such as the Podestas favour the sort of art pieces that they do, is to assist them in linking up with other like-minded individuals. One can’t say to just anyone, wow, do I feel horny for a 10 year old child today. If people don’t like the art the subject is dismissed due to art being just “arty”, but if the interest is genuine then a connection can be made.
     
    This interpretation makes eminent sense. It also explains why someone like Tony Podesta makes a point of allowing his art collection with himself to be professionally photographed and to be published widely.

    As Ron Unz has pointed out, the extremely heavy censorship throughout traditional and electronic media suggests that Pizzagate is MUCH bigger than the Podestas. It would not be surprising to find that politicians have been "reaching out across the aisle" (in MSM speak) for a piece of pedo action.

    Yes, I reckon the so-called art can be a signal.
    But has deniability as “art.”

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  • @NoseytheDuke
    How common is paedophile symbolism? Not very I'd say which is why it is mighty coincidental in the various ways it has appeared within a small group.

    I'd also say that maybe it's the reason why people such as the Podestas favour the sort of art pieces that they do, is to assist them in linking up with other like-minded individuals. One can't say to just anyone, wow, do I feel horny for a 10 year old child today. If people don't like the art the subject is dismissed due to art being just "arty", but if the interest is genuine then a connection can be made.

    I'm still convinced that this matter should be investigated.

    … the reason why people such as the Podestas favour the sort of art pieces that they do, is to assist them in linking up with other like-minded individuals. One can’t say to just anyone, wow, do I feel horny for a 10 year old child today. If people don’t like the art the subject is dismissed due to art being just “arty”, but if the interest is genuine then a connection can be made.

    This interpretation makes eminent sense. It also explains why someone like Tony Podesta makes a point of allowing his art collection with himself to be professionally photographed and to be published widely.

    As Ron Unz has pointed out, the extremely heavy censorship throughout traditional and electronic media suggests that Pizzagate is MUCH bigger than the Podestas. It would not be surprising to find that politicians have been “reaching out across the aisle” (in MSM speak) for a piece of pedo action.

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    Yes, I reckon the so-called art can be a signal.
    But has deniability as "art."
    , @RodW

    This interpretation makes eminent sense. It also explains why someone like Tony Podesta makes a point of allowing his art collection with himself to be professionally photographed and to be published widely.
     
    Yes, it does make sense. But it's not the only explanation.

    Have you looked at the art in question yourself? The photos by Katy Grannan may be of teenagers, but they're certainly not of children. They're of sexually mature people. So where exactly is the paedophile angle there?

    Since the work of Katy Grannan and Biljana Djurdjevic isn't exclusively or even largely paedophilic, there's also a potentially innocent explanation for Podesta to share his art. Sharing his art is also a good way of expanding his business network.

    As I've said many times, I'm prepared to believe that the Podestas et al. may be paedophiles, but it can scarcely be denied that the evidence presented by everyone who pushes Pizzagate is highly cherry-picked and presented to be maximally damaging. The same photos and the same expressions are used repeatedly. Links to the artists in question aren't generally offered, because doing so would undermine the case being made.
    , @RodW

    As Ron Unz has pointed out, the extremely heavy censorship throughout traditional and electronic media suggests that Pizzagate is MUCH bigger than the Podestas.
     
    There you go again with your non sequiturs, appeals to authority, and hysterical use of capitalization. The MSM has reported Pizzagate, and has dismissed it, for reasons that you simply refuse to accept. There's been no censorship. The MSM even reported the McCann efits and explained why it isn't evidence. Your claims are simply untrue.
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  • @FKA Max
    Northern European pathological altruism. I suffer from the condition on occasion. Commenter JoeB seems to be a sufferer, as well.

    Rod, I’m going to take you at your word regarding your sincerity.

     

    - http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1712053

    Fortunately, Rigour Rod might be the long-awaited cure, though:

    Rod,

    I was not rude nor haughty to you. In fact, I went out of my way to be civil to you and in fact tried to find common ground with you.

    Unfortunately, you fooled me. You are either interested in a dick measuring contest…or something more nefarious.

    You are most assuredly. NOT interested in a serious, honest or honorable discussion.

    In that case, I bid you a good evening, as any more effort on my part is an obvious waste of time.

    Regards,

    Joe
     

    - http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1712495


    Kevin MacDonald - Evolutionary & Genetic Basis for Pathological Altruism - Hour 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FyMrWbkL7Q

    Published on May 29, 2015

    ... In the first hour, Kevin outlines his recent work, which explores theories of a genetic basis for altruism and the lack of ethnic awareness or kinship oriented nepotism. He explains recent scientific studies that are finding there is perhaps a genetic or evolutionary reason for the kind of pathological altruism found in Northern Europe. ...

    Ylvis - Jan Egeland [Official music video HD]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn-oemgzlEU

    I detect a pattern here, and that is why I kind of expected RodW’s “take back.”
    The pattern is one used by a lot of people to stay in a relationship in which they get to be abusive to the other person. They give a little bit of “love,” to take the other in, only to revert to their abusive path. Rinse and repeat.
    This thread has already gone through wash cycles with Rod.
    Whether he does this because he is a troll, or for some other reason, ends up being immaterial.
    Fool me once, shame on you.
    Fool me twice, shame on me.

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  • In the spirit of investigation, check out some more of the art Tony Podesta is said to fancy.

    NSFW if you work for someone else. Photos of naked people.

    https://fraenkelgallery.com/portfolios/morning-call

    https://fraenkelgallery.com/portfolios/sugar-camp-road

    https://fraenkelgallery.com/portfolios/mystic-lake

    The way that it’s presented in the ‘hypothesis’ is a little different from the art itself.

    Does that make you want to investigate further? How?

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  • @RodW

    I suspected that that comment was a little ploy of some kind.
     
    It's called 'keeping an open mind' sweetheart. It's the other side of the skepticism coin. Thinkers try to maintain some sort of balance between them to avoid becoming a fucktard. I'm just picturing going food shopping with you and trying to counter your doubts about every aspect of the breakfast cereals.

    One thing you failed to suspect is that I posted that because I'm trying to have a discussion, if there is anyone here interested in and capable of having one.

    How common is paedophile symbolism? Is it sometimes used unknowingly? The Besta Pizza logo looks like something off a clip art CD-ROM from the 90s to me, which featured a lot of digitized graphics with an 80s flavour. I've spent some time trying to find similar images, without success. I could swear I've seen something similar before. I'm tempted to consult my English neighbour who actually wrote a nonfiction book about being molested by his father and his father's pedo friends (except that I get tired of him going on about the Illuminati all the time...). He might know if real pedos use symbols as a matter of course. Incidentally, for people who are genuinely concerned about pedos and their ways, Irvine Walsh's "Crime" is supposed to be well-researched. It's a cracking good read too.

    How common is paedophile symbolism? Not very I’d say which is why it is mighty coincidental in the various ways it has appeared within a small group.

    I’d also say that maybe it’s the reason why people such as the Podestas favour the sort of art pieces that they do, is to assist them in linking up with other like-minded individuals. One can’t say to just anyone, wow, do I feel horny for a 10 year old child today. If people don’t like the art the subject is dismissed due to art being just “arty”, but if the interest is genuine then a connection can be made.

    I’m still convinced that this matter should be investigated.

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    ... the reason why people such as the Podestas favour the sort of art pieces that they do, is to assist them in linking up with other like-minded individuals. One can’t say to just anyone, wow, do I feel horny for a 10 year old child today. If people don’t like the art the subject is dismissed due to art being just “arty”, but if the interest is genuine then a connection can be made.
     
    This interpretation makes eminent sense. It also explains why someone like Tony Podesta makes a point of allowing his art collection with himself to be professionally photographed and to be published widely.

    As Ron Unz has pointed out, the extremely heavy censorship throughout traditional and electronic media suggests that Pizzagate is MUCH bigger than the Podestas. It would not be surprising to find that politicians have been "reaching out across the aisle" (in MSM speak) for a piece of pedo action.
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  • Here are the acknowledgements to the book.

    http://bit.ly/2iZODHz

    And a synopsis.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_(novel)

    While this is fiction, it’s based on investigations of real pedos.

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  • Correction “Welsh” not “Walsh”. There’s a big alligator tail covering his name on the spine of the book, which doesn’t help with legibility.

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  • @Skeptikal
    " that I actually have somewhat of a soft spot for Rigour Rod; that is why I took all this time to reply back to him, try to explain to him,"

    Can't imagine why someone would want to make that kind of emotional investment in such a divisive personage, who appears to be playing games with this thread.
    Witness his "took it back, hee hee!" re his comment 193. The timing of that little "just fooling!" is interesting. I suspected that that comment was a little ploy of some kind. Too out of character in both content and style. That was why I mentioned it again.

    I suspected that that comment was a little ploy of some kind.

    It’s called ‘keeping an open mind’ sweetheart. It’s the other side of the skepticism coin. Thinkers try to maintain some sort of balance between them to avoid becoming a fucktard. I’m just picturing going food shopping with you and trying to counter your doubts about every aspect of the breakfast cereals.

    One thing you failed to suspect is that I posted that because I’m trying to have a discussion, if there is anyone here interested in and capable of having one.

    How common is paedophile symbolism? Is it sometimes used unknowingly? The Besta Pizza logo looks like something off a clip art CD-ROM from the 90s to me, which featured a lot of digitized graphics with an 80s flavour. I’ve spent some time trying to find similar images, without success. I could swear I’ve seen something similar before. I’m tempted to consult my English neighbour who actually wrote a nonfiction book about being molested by his father and his father’s pedo friends (except that I get tired of him going on about the Illuminati all the time…). He might know if real pedos use symbols as a matter of course. Incidentally, for people who are genuinely concerned about pedos and their ways, Irvine Walsh’s “Crime” is supposed to be well-researched. It’s a cracking good read too.

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    How common is paedophile symbolism? Not very I'd say which is why it is mighty coincidental in the various ways it has appeared within a small group.

    I'd also say that maybe it's the reason why people such as the Podestas favour the sort of art pieces that they do, is to assist them in linking up with other like-minded individuals. One can't say to just anyone, wow, do I feel horny for a 10 year old child today. If people don't like the art the subject is dismissed due to art being just "arty", but if the interest is genuine then a connection can be made.

    I'm still convinced that this matter should be investigated.

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  • @Eagle Eye
    Shortcut trick to check WHO said WHAT throughout the entire thread:

    Ctrl-F, then type "landlubber says" (without quotes) to step through postings by landlubber.

    Similarly Ctrl-F and "XYZ says" to step through posts by XYZ (insert actual name).

    Ctrl-G takes you to the next posting.

    Apple users hit command instead of Ctrl.

    Still busy trying to distract us all from the actual content of Pizzagate I see. Your noise to signal ratio is suspiciously high.

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  • Shortcut trick to check WHO said WHAT throughout the entire thread:

    Ctrl-F, then type “landlubber says” (without quotes) to step through postings by landlubber.

    Similarly Ctrl-F and “XYZ says” to step through posts by XYZ (insert actual name).

    Ctrl-G takes you to the next posting.

    Apple users hit command instead of Ctrl.

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    Still busy trying to distract us all from the actual content of Pizzagate I see. Your noise to signal ratio is suspiciously high.
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  • @Skeptikal
    " that I actually have somewhat of a soft spot for Rigour Rod; that is why I took all this time to reply back to him, try to explain to him,"

    Can't imagine why someone would want to make that kind of emotional investment in such a divisive personage, who appears to be playing games with this thread.
    Witness his "took it back, hee hee!" re his comment 193. The timing of that little "just fooling!" is interesting. I suspected that that comment was a little ploy of some kind. Too out of character in both content and style. That was why I mentioned it again.

    Northern European pathological altruism. I suffer from the condition on occasion. Commenter JoeB seems to be a sufferer, as well.

    Rod, I’m going to take you at your word regarding your sincerity.

    http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1712053

    Fortunately, Rigour Rod might be the long-awaited cure, though:

    Rod,

    I was not rude nor haughty to you. In fact, I went out of my way to be civil to you and in fact tried to find common ground with you.

    Unfortunately, you fooled me. You are either interested in a dick measuring contest…or something more nefarious.

    You are most assuredly. NOT interested in a serious, honest or honorable discussion.

    In that case, I bid you a good evening, as any more effort on my part is an obvious waste of time.

    Regards,

    Joe

    http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1712495

    Kevin MacDonald – Evolutionary & Genetic Basis for Pathological Altruism – Hour 1

    Published on May 29, 2015

    In the first hour, Kevin outlines his recent work, which explores theories of a genetic basis for altruism and the lack of ethnic awareness or kinship oriented nepotism. He explains recent scientific studies that are finding there is perhaps a genetic or evolutionary reason for the kind of pathological altruism found in Northern Europe.

    Ylvis – Jan Egeland [Official music video HD]

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    I detect a pattern here, and that is why I kind of expected RodW's "take back."
    The pattern is one used by a lot of people to stay in a relationship in which they get to be abusive to the other person. They give a little bit of "love," to take the other in, only to revert to their abusive path. Rinse and repeat.
    This thread has already gone through wash cycles with Rod.
    Whether he does this because he is a troll, or for some other reason, ends up being immaterial.
    Fool me once, shame on you.
    Fool me twice, shame on me.
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  • @Skeptikal
    "You could improve the quality of discussion and educate a few overly conspiratorial idiots "

    RodW just can't help being playing the daddy and giving his host "advice," plus continuing namecalling.
    I have some advice for RodW:
    Practice writing, 100 times, in a normal writing tone,
    "I disagree with that."
    Re RodW's reentry into polite society:
    I'll believe it when I see: That he is capable of disagreeing with someone without insulting that person, others, his host, and the blog, and smearing others with his rhetorical shit, then complaining about how shitty, dumb, and stupid and stinky the other person, and the whole blog, is. Plus the ranting, of course.

    Pot, kettle, black.

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  • @FKA Max
    I have to confess (although I am not a Catholic) that I actually have somewhat of a soft spot for Rigour Rod; that is why I took all this time to reply back to him, try to explain to him, etc. He reminds me a little bit of my own dad; prim, proper, and rigorous, etc. and very concerned about being an upstanding, productive and contributing member of and to society. Very Protestant-y, but also a little bit snobbish. I don't know if Rigour Rod is actually Protestant, but the chances are pretty high, if he indeed is an Englishman.

    The Simpsons - Protestant Heaven vs. Catholic Heaven

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4IletJ7-Tw

    'Protestant Vs Catholic' || How To Make Tea

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBolxhuVcnU

    I think he got his feels and pride hurt or something like that, and is just lashing out and retaliating with this name-calling, etc., now. I have compassion for him; he received quite a beating in this comment thread and everyone ganged up on him, but he asked for it and he threw the first punch(es). Everyone was/is counter-punching; they/we did not initiate the fight.

    If he could cut out the haughtiness, he could be a very valuable and productive member of and addition to the Unz Review commenter community, in my opinion. There is much I agree with him on, and he could contribute. His haughtiness is just very unbecoming of an upstanding English gentleman like himself.

    I have no ill will towards Rigour Rod, but he needs to be a little more disciplined, less snobbish, less easily irritated and more patient and compassionate, in my opinion, when he is interacting and dealing with others, who do not share his (rigorous) point of view.

    Just my two (2) pence...

    Pink Floyd - Another Brick In The Wall (HQ)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5ApYxkU-U

    I have compassion for him; he received quite a beating in this comment thread and everyone ganged up on him, but he asked for it and he threw the first punch(es). Everyone was/is counter-punching; they/we did not initiate the fight.

    I disagree emphatically with this timeline.

    However, I see that you’re trying to be kind, so I’ll be glad to reciprocate. Thank you for your welcome of sorts. Unfortunately I don’t have much time to comment, and I only made an exception for the reasons I gave.

    As for your character sketch of me, it’s generally incorrect. I’m Shintoist if anything, and always have been, even before I knew about Shintoism. I don’t see any shame in wanting to be correct if it’s possible. You may notice that I qualify most of what I say, since there’s much I don’t know. If I seem haughty, it’s because I have nothing but contempt for people who make categorical statements about things they know nothing about, and people who are too lazy to go from hunch to confirmation.

    Talking of hunches, I get the feeling that I’m dealing with more English people here than Americans …

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  • @FKA Max
    I have to confess (although I am not a Catholic) that I actually have somewhat of a soft spot for Rigour Rod; that is why I took all this time to reply back to him, try to explain to him, etc. He reminds me a little bit of my own dad; prim, proper, and rigorous, etc. and very concerned about being an upstanding, productive and contributing member of and to society. Very Protestant-y, but also a little bit snobbish. I don't know if Rigour Rod is actually Protestant, but the chances are pretty high, if he indeed is an Englishman.

    The Simpsons - Protestant Heaven vs. Catholic Heaven

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4IletJ7-Tw

    'Protestant Vs Catholic' || How To Make Tea

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBolxhuVcnU

    I think he got his feels and pride hurt or something like that, and is just lashing out and retaliating with this name-calling, etc., now. I have compassion for him; he received quite a beating in this comment thread and everyone ganged up on him, but he asked for it and he threw the first punch(es). Everyone was/is counter-punching; they/we did not initiate the fight.

    If he could cut out the haughtiness, he could be a very valuable and productive member of and addition to the Unz Review commenter community, in my opinion. There is much I agree with him on, and he could contribute. His haughtiness is just very unbecoming of an upstanding English gentleman like himself.

    I have no ill will towards Rigour Rod, but he needs to be a little more disciplined, less snobbish, less easily irritated and more patient and compassionate, in my opinion, when he is interacting and dealing with others, who do not share his (rigorous) point of view.

    Just my two (2) pence...

    Pink Floyd - Another Brick In The Wall (HQ)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5ApYxkU-U

    ” that I actually have somewhat of a soft spot for Rigour Rod; that is why I took all this time to reply back to him, try to explain to him,”

    Can’t imagine why someone would want to make that kind of emotional investment in such a divisive personage, who appears to be playing games with this thread.
    Witness his “took it back, hee hee!” re his comment 193. The timing of that little “just fooling!” is interesting. I suspected that that comment was a little ploy of some kind. Too out of character in both content and style. That was why I mentioned it again.

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    Northern European pathological altruism. I suffer from the condition on occasion. Commenter JoeB seems to be a sufferer, as well.

    Rod, I’m going to take you at your word regarding your sincerity.

     

    - http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1712053

    Fortunately, Rigour Rod might be the long-awaited cure, though:

    Rod,

    I was not rude nor haughty to you. In fact, I went out of my way to be civil to you and in fact tried to find common ground with you.

    Unfortunately, you fooled me. You are either interested in a dick measuring contest…or something more nefarious.

    You are most assuredly. NOT interested in a serious, honest or honorable discussion.

    In that case, I bid you a good evening, as any more effort on my part is an obvious waste of time.

    Regards,

    Joe
     

    - http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1712495


    Kevin MacDonald - Evolutionary & Genetic Basis for Pathological Altruism - Hour 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FyMrWbkL7Q

    Published on May 29, 2015

    ... In the first hour, Kevin outlines his recent work, which explores theories of a genetic basis for altruism and the lack of ethnic awareness or kinship oriented nepotism. He explains recent scientific studies that are finding there is perhaps a genetic or evolutionary reason for the kind of pathological altruism found in Northern Europe. ...

    Ylvis - Jan Egeland [Official music video HD]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn-oemgzlEU

    , @RodW

    I suspected that that comment was a little ploy of some kind.
     
    It's called 'keeping an open mind' sweetheart. It's the other side of the skepticism coin. Thinkers try to maintain some sort of balance between them to avoid becoming a fucktard. I'm just picturing going food shopping with you and trying to counter your doubts about every aspect of the breakfast cereals.

    One thing you failed to suspect is that I posted that because I'm trying to have a discussion, if there is anyone here interested in and capable of having one.

    How common is paedophile symbolism? Is it sometimes used unknowingly? The Besta Pizza logo looks like something off a clip art CD-ROM from the 90s to me, which featured a lot of digitized graphics with an 80s flavour. I've spent some time trying to find similar images, without success. I could swear I've seen something similar before. I'm tempted to consult my English neighbour who actually wrote a nonfiction book about being molested by his father and his father's pedo friends (except that I get tired of him going on about the Illuminati all the time...). He might know if real pedos use symbols as a matter of course. Incidentally, for people who are genuinely concerned about pedos and their ways, Irvine Walsh's "Crime" is supposed to be well-researched. It's a cracking good read too.

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  • @RodW
    And to the moderators and site owner:

    You could improve the quality of discussion and educate a few overly conspiratorial idiots if you simply declined to publish comments with accusations about multiplayer posting, if indeed it isn't possible. A good half of all the 'oxygen' in this and other threads has been taken up by this ridiculous non-issue.

    “You could improve the quality of discussion and educate a few overly conspiratorial idiots ”

    RodW just can’t help being playing the daddy and giving his host “advice,” plus continuing namecalling.
    I have some advice for RodW:
    Practice writing, 100 times, in a normal writing tone,
    “I disagree with that.”
    Re RodW’s reentry into polite society:
    I’ll believe it when I see: That he is capable of disagreeing with someone without insulting that person, others, his host, and the blog, and smearing others with his rhetorical shit, then complaining about how shitty, dumb, and stupid and stinky the other person, and the whole blog, is. Plus the ranting, of course.

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    Pot, kettle, black.
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  • And to the moderators and site owner:

    You could improve the quality of discussion and educate a few overly conspiratorial idiots if you simply declined to publish comments with accusations about multiplayer posting, if indeed it isn’t possible. A good half of all the ‘oxygen’ in this and other threads has been taken up by this ridiculous non-issue.

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    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    "You could improve the quality of discussion and educate a few overly conspiratorial idiots "

    RodW just can't help being playing the daddy and giving his host "advice," plus continuing namecalling.
    I have some advice for RodW:
    Practice writing, 100 times, in a normal writing tone,
    "I disagree with that."
    Re RodW's reentry into polite society:
    I'll believe it when I see: That he is capable of disagreeing with someone without insulting that person, others, his host, and the blog, and smearing others with his rhetorical shit, then complaining about how shitty, dumb, and stupid and stinky the other person, and the whole blog, is. Plus the ranting, of course.

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc.
  • @FKA Max

    The same goes for the theory that all the doubters here are one person. With just a glance at people’s posting history, you can see that we’re different people.
     
    Rigour Rod is actually correct here. I don't believe either, that he posts (or can post) under multiple different handles at the Unz Review (explanation why, below).

    I am not trolling, but I am, however, concerned about your recent use of profane language and swear words in some of your latest comments, Rigour Rod. I think this could seriously hurt your stellar reputation here at the Unz Review and your credibility in general... http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1711983

    So again, I’d like to say a big fuck you to the witch-hunters. You’re dangerously stupid.
     

    And as for you telling me to go away, you can fuck off yourself. I’m getting a bit irritated by your attitude.
     
    Newer commenters, who found the Unz Review through Mr. Cassiel's two (2) Pizzagate articles might not be aware of this.

    There is a zero-tolerance policy at the Unz Review when it comes to (attempted) ``sock-puppetry.'' Profanity is also not appreciated...:

    Major Commenting Enhancements

    Ron Unz • October 27, 2016

    http://www.unz.com/announcement/major-commenting-enhancements/


    Requiring Commenters to Use a Single, Unique Handle (or Using Anonymous/Anon for Greater Anonymity)


    These new features rely heavily upon the ability to organize comments by a commenter’s unique handle, and therefore required quite a lot of work in that regard. For the last couple of years, I’ve endlessly emphasized that although our webzine has very loose commenting restrictions, one of the few absolutes is the prohibition of “shape-shifting” or “sock-puppetry,” whereby a particular commenter using multiple handles to hide his identity—commenters who temporarily or permanently seek greater anonymity have always welcome to use Anonymous/Anon. Although the vast majority of regular commenters properly complied with these guidelines, I’ve now turned my fulminations into practice by spending several days cleaning up the comment archives and appropriately dealing with the relatively small number of misbehaving individuals by merging all their old comments, generally under their most recent or most common handle.

    Although the number of comments effected was relatively small—perhaps 3-4% of the total—the violations of some commenters was remarkably egregious, with a certain “Priss Factor” having published 8400 comments under a total of 397 (!!!) different handles that I managed to locate and merge, plus presumably many others that I failed to detect. Other commenters, including several notorious “trolls” had each employed at least a couple of dozen or more aliases. I still have some additional filtering and merging to do, but I think the bulk of the process has now been completed.

    Avoiding Use of Ethnic/Racial Slurs and Profanity


    Finally, I must repeat my recent warnings that commenters are strongly advised to avoid the use of ethnic/racial slurs and profanity, which is certainly not required to convey even the most controversial and inflammatory perspectives and can be offputting to readers. [...] While profanity is not strictly prohibited, as I warned, comments containing it stand a serious risk of being trashed rather than published. Do you really want to produce a highly substantive and detailed 500 word critique and then see it lost, disappearing into the ether forever, simply because you chose to include one or more totally unnecessary words?
     

    Gosh, one of the madding crowd finally acknowledges an obvious fact. Well done. It clearly cost you a lot of effort. The profanity seems like a justifiable response to the mindless hostility directed at me for the simple act of analysis and dissent. I see no reason to be mealy mouthed in my responses. If I’m treated with civility, I’ll try to respond in kind.

    As to Alefantis, I take back what I said about his Instagram. I certainly wouldn’t want to follow him myself, but he doesn’t appear to be particularly evil. The fact that he hasn’t yet shot any of the pests that plague him seems a bit remarkable.

    The only thing that seems hard to explain is the paedophile symbols, but even they could be jokes. I know people who joke about things like that (yeah, chew on that Skeptikal, you simple-minded cow).

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  • @Skeptikal
    In comment 193 RodW said this:
    "Having looked through the summary of the https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/, I have to agree that it’s hard to find an innocent explanation for the pedophile symbols appearing in various places. Alefantis’ Instagram is also suggestive enough to warrant investigation of some sort."

    I don't understand the point of his continuing fulminations and namecalling on this thread since he certainly seems to have accepted its main premise, or point of discussion:
    That there is *something* there worth delving into.

    I have to confess (although I am not a Catholic) that I actually have somewhat of a soft spot for Rigour Rod; that is why I took all this time to reply back to him, try to explain to him, etc. He reminds me a little bit of my own dad; prim, proper, and rigorous, etc. and very concerned about being an upstanding, productive and contributing member of and to society. Very Protestant-y, but also a little bit snobbish. I don’t know if Rigour Rod is actually Protestant, but the chances are pretty high, if he indeed is an Englishman.

    The Simpsons – Protestant Heaven vs. Catholic Heaven

    ‘Protestant Vs Catholic’ || How To Make Tea

    I think he got his feels and pride hurt or something like that, and is just lashing out and retaliating with this name-calling, etc., now. I have compassion for him; he received quite a beating in this comment thread and everyone ganged up on him, but he asked for it and he threw the first punch(es). Everyone was/is counter-punching; they/we did not initiate the fight.

    If he could cut out the haughtiness, he could be a very valuable and productive member of and addition to the Unz Review commenter community, in my opinion. There is much I agree with him on, and he could contribute. His haughtiness is just very unbecoming of an upstanding English gentleman like himself.

    I have no ill will towards Rigour Rod, but he needs to be a little more disciplined, less snobbish, less easily irritated and more patient and compassionate, in my opinion, when he is interacting and dealing with others, who do not share his (rigorous) point of view.

    Just my two (2) pence…

    Pink Floyd – Another Brick In The Wall (HQ)

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    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    " that I actually have somewhat of a soft spot for Rigour Rod; that is why I took all this time to reply back to him, try to explain to him,"

    Can't imagine why someone would want to make that kind of emotional investment in such a divisive personage, who appears to be playing games with this thread.
    Witness his "took it back, hee hee!" re his comment 193. The timing of that little "just fooling!" is interesting. I suspected that that comment was a little ploy of some kind. Too out of character in both content and style. That was why I mentioned it again.
    , @RodW

    I have compassion for him; he received quite a beating in this comment thread and everyone ganged up on him, but he asked for it and he threw the first punch(es). Everyone was/is counter-punching; they/we did not initiate the fight.
     
    I disagree emphatically with this timeline.

    However, I see that you're trying to be kind, so I'll be glad to reciprocate. Thank you for your welcome of sorts. Unfortunately I don't have much time to comment, and I only made an exception for the reasons I gave.

    As for your character sketch of me, it's generally incorrect. I'm Shintoist if anything, and always have been, even before I knew about Shintoism. I don't see any shame in wanting to be correct if it's possible. You may notice that I qualify most of what I say, since there's much I don't know. If I seem haughty, it's because I have nothing but contempt for people who make categorical statements about things they know nothing about, and people who are too lazy to go from hunch to confirmation.

    Talking of hunches, I get the feeling that I'm dealing with more English people here than Americans ...
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  • @FKA Max

    The same goes for the theory that all the doubters here are one person. With just a glance at people’s posting history, you can see that we’re different people.
     
    Rigour Rod is actually correct here. I don't believe either, that he posts (or can post) under multiple different handles at the Unz Review (explanation why, below).

    I am not trolling, but I am, however, concerned about your recent use of profane language and swear words in some of your latest comments, Rigour Rod. I think this could seriously hurt your stellar reputation here at the Unz Review and your credibility in general... http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1711983

    So again, I’d like to say a big fuck you to the witch-hunters. You’re dangerously stupid.
     

    And as for you telling me to go away, you can fuck off yourself. I’m getting a bit irritated by your attitude.
     
    Newer commenters, who found the Unz Review through Mr. Cassiel's two (2) Pizzagate articles might not be aware of this.

    There is a zero-tolerance policy at the Unz Review when it comes to (attempted) ``sock-puppetry.'' Profanity is also not appreciated...:

    Major Commenting Enhancements

    Ron Unz • October 27, 2016

    http://www.unz.com/announcement/major-commenting-enhancements/


    Requiring Commenters to Use a Single, Unique Handle (or Using Anonymous/Anon for Greater Anonymity)


    These new features rely heavily upon the ability to organize comments by a commenter’s unique handle, and therefore required quite a lot of work in that regard. For the last couple of years, I’ve endlessly emphasized that although our webzine has very loose commenting restrictions, one of the few absolutes is the prohibition of “shape-shifting” or “sock-puppetry,” whereby a particular commenter using multiple handles to hide his identity—commenters who temporarily or permanently seek greater anonymity have always welcome to use Anonymous/Anon. Although the vast majority of regular commenters properly complied with these guidelines, I’ve now turned my fulminations into practice by spending several days cleaning up the comment archives and appropriately dealing with the relatively small number of misbehaving individuals by merging all their old comments, generally under their most recent or most common handle.

    Although the number of comments effected was relatively small—perhaps 3-4% of the total—the violations of some commenters was remarkably egregious, with a certain “Priss Factor” having published 8400 comments under a total of 397 (!!!) different handles that I managed to locate and merge, plus presumably many others that I failed to detect. Other commenters, including several notorious “trolls” had each employed at least a couple of dozen or more aliases. I still have some additional filtering and merging to do, but I think the bulk of the process has now been completed.

    Avoiding Use of Ethnic/Racial Slurs and Profanity


    Finally, I must repeat my recent warnings that commenters are strongly advised to avoid the use of ethnic/racial slurs and profanity, which is certainly not required to convey even the most controversial and inflammatory perspectives and can be offputting to readers. [...] While profanity is not strictly prohibited, as I warned, comments containing it stand a serious risk of being trashed rather than published. Do you really want to produce a highly substantive and detailed 500 word critique and then see it lost, disappearing into the ether forever, simply because you chose to include one or more totally unnecessary words?
     

    In comment 193 RodW said this:
    “Having looked through the summary of the https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/, I have to agree that it’s hard to find an innocent explanation for the pedophile symbols appearing in various places. Alefantis’ Instagram is also suggestive enough to warrant investigation of some sort.”

    I don’t understand the point of his continuing fulminations and namecalling on this thread since he certainly seems to have accepted its main premise, or point of discussion:
    That there is *something* there worth delving into.

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    • Replies: @FKA Max
    I have to confess (although I am not a Catholic) that I actually have somewhat of a soft spot for Rigour Rod; that is why I took all this time to reply back to him, try to explain to him, etc. He reminds me a little bit of my own dad; prim, proper, and rigorous, etc. and very concerned about being an upstanding, productive and contributing member of and to society. Very Protestant-y, but also a little bit snobbish. I don't know if Rigour Rod is actually Protestant, but the chances are pretty high, if he indeed is an Englishman.

    The Simpsons - Protestant Heaven vs. Catholic Heaven

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4IletJ7-Tw

    'Protestant Vs Catholic' || How To Make Tea

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBolxhuVcnU

    I think he got his feels and pride hurt or something like that, and is just lashing out and retaliating with this name-calling, etc., now. I have compassion for him; he received quite a beating in this comment thread and everyone ganged up on him, but he asked for it and he threw the first punch(es). Everyone was/is counter-punching; they/we did not initiate the fight.

    If he could cut out the haughtiness, he could be a very valuable and productive member of and addition to the Unz Review commenter community, in my opinion. There is much I agree with him on, and he could contribute. His haughtiness is just very unbecoming of an upstanding English gentleman like himself.

    I have no ill will towards Rigour Rod, but he needs to be a little more disciplined, less snobbish, less easily irritated and more patient and compassionate, in my opinion, when he is interacting and dealing with others, who do not share his (rigorous) point of view.

    Just my two (2) pence...

    Pink Floyd - Another Brick In The Wall (HQ)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5ApYxkU-U
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  • @RodW

    The evidence is of wildly varying levels of quality, ranging from the pareidolia of “Jesus is appearing to me in my toast” ...

    While many of these claims are wild speculation over coincidences
     
    The trouble is, the Pizzagate true believers go into hysterics when even one piece of evidence is demonstrated to be pareidolia, despite the fact that Dear Leader Aedon has given his fatwa that there are coincidences.

    The more you look into this, the less substance it has. I'd actually taken it for granted that the artist Biljana Djurdjevic's was a sicko who specializes in distasteful images of children, but if you look at her website, that's far from the case. Her thing seems to be the vulnerability of human flesh, and she's done some rather moving pictures, especially of old people. Her innocent painting of fleshy people on a beach reminds me powerfully of scenes from my own childhood. As with the email evidence, a little bit of context goes a very long way.

    The same goes for the theory that all the doubters here are one person. With just a glance at people's posting history, you can see that we're different people.

    So again, I'd like to say a big fuck you to the witch-hunters. You're dangerously stupid.

    The same goes for the theory that all the doubters here are one person. With just a glance at people’s posting history, you can see that we’re different people.

    Rigour Rod is actually correct here. I don’t believe either, that he posts (or can post) under multiple different handles at the Unz Review (explanation why, below).

    I am not trolling, but I am, however, concerned about your recent use of profane language and swear words in some of your latest comments, Rigour Rod. I think this could seriously hurt your stellar reputation here at the Unz Review and your credibility in general… http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1711983

    So again, I’d like to say a big fuck you to the witch-hunters. You’re dangerously stupid.

    And as for you telling me to go away, you can fuck off yourself. I’m getting a bit irritated by your attitude.

    Newer commenters, who found the Unz Review through Mr. Cassiel’s two (2) Pizzagate articles might not be aware of this.

    There is a zero-tolerance policy at the Unz Review when it comes to (attempted) “sock-puppetry.” Profanity is also not appreciated…:

    Major Commenting Enhancements

    Ron Unz • October 27, 2016

    http://www.unz.com/announcement/major-commenting-enhancements/

    [MORE]


    Requiring Commenters to Use a Single, Unique Handle (or Using Anonymous/Anon for Greater Anonymity)

    These new features rely heavily upon the ability to organize comments by a commenter’s unique handle, and therefore required quite a lot of work in that regard. For the last couple of years, I’ve endlessly emphasized that although our webzine has very loose commenting restrictions, one of the few absolutes is the prohibition of “shape-shifting” or “sock-puppetry,” whereby a particular commenter using multiple handles to hide his identity—commenters who temporarily or permanently seek greater anonymity have always welcome to use Anonymous/Anon. Although the vast majority of regular commenters properly complied with these guidelines, I’ve now turned my fulminations into practice by spending several days cleaning up the comment archives and appropriately dealing with the relatively small number of misbehaving individuals by merging all their old comments, generally under their most recent or most common handle.

    Although the number of comments effected was relatively small—perhaps 3-4% of the total—the violations of some commenters was remarkably egregious, with a certain “Priss Factor” having published 8400 comments under a total of 397 (!!!) different handles that I managed to locate and merge, plus presumably many others that I failed to detect. Other commenters, including several notorious “trolls” had each employed at least a couple of dozen or more aliases. I still have some additional filtering and merging to do, but I think the bulk of the process has now been completed.

    Avoiding Use of Ethnic/Racial Slurs and Profanity

    Finally, I must repeat my recent warnings that commenters are strongly advised to avoid the use of ethnic/racial slurs and profanity, which is certainly not required to convey even the most controversial and inflammatory perspectives and can be offputting to readers. [...] While profanity is not strictly prohibited, as I warned, comments containing it stand a serious risk of being trashed rather than published. Do you really want to produce a highly substantive and detailed 500 word critique and then see it lost, disappearing into the ether forever, simply because you chose to include one or more totally unnecessary words?

    Read More
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    In comment 193 RodW said this:
    "Having looked through the summary of the https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/, I have to agree that it’s hard to find an innocent explanation for the pedophile symbols appearing in various places. Alefantis’ Instagram is also suggestive enough to warrant investigation of some sort."

    I don't understand the point of his continuing fulminations and namecalling on this thread since he certainly seems to have accepted its main premise, or point of discussion:
    That there is *something* there worth delving into.
    , @RodW
    Gosh, one of the madding crowd finally acknowledges an obvious fact. Well done. It clearly cost you a lot of effort. The profanity seems like a justifiable response to the mindless hostility directed at me for the simple act of analysis and dissent. I see no reason to be mealy mouthed in my responses. If I'm treated with civility, I'll try to respond in kind.

    As to Alefantis, I take back what I said about his Instagram. I certainly wouldn't want to follow him myself, but he doesn't appear to be particularly evil. The fact that he hasn't yet shot any of the pests that plague him seems a bit remarkable.

    The only thing that seems hard to explain is the paedophile symbols, but even they could be jokes. I know people who joke about things like that (yeah, chew on that Skeptikal, you simple-minded cow).
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  • The evidence is of wildly varying levels of quality, ranging from the pareidolia of “Jesus is appearing to me in my toast” …

    While many of these claims are wild speculation over coincidences

    The trouble is, the Pizzagate true believers go into hysterics when even one piece of evidence is demonstrated to be pareidolia, despite the fact that Dear Leader Aedon has given his fatwa that there are coincidences.

    The more you look into this, the less substance it has. I’d actually taken it for granted that the artist Biljana Djurdjevic’s was a sicko who specializes in distasteful images of children, but if you look at her website, that’s far from the case. Her thing seems to be the vulnerability of human flesh, and she’s done some rather moving pictures, especially of old people. Her innocent painting of fleshy people on a beach reminds me powerfully of scenes from my own childhood. As with the email evidence, a little bit of context goes a very long way.

    The same goes for the theory that all the doubters here are one person. With just a glance at people’s posting history, you can see that we’re different people.

    So again, I’d like to say a big fuck you to the witch-hunters. You’re dangerously stupid.

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    • Replies: @FKA Max

    The same goes for the theory that all the doubters here are one person. With just a glance at people’s posting history, you can see that we’re different people.
     
    Rigour Rod is actually correct here. I don't believe either, that he posts (or can post) under multiple different handles at the Unz Review (explanation why, below).

    I am not trolling, but I am, however, concerned about your recent use of profane language and swear words in some of your latest comments, Rigour Rod. I think this could seriously hurt your stellar reputation here at the Unz Review and your credibility in general... http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1711983

    So again, I’d like to say a big fuck you to the witch-hunters. You’re dangerously stupid.
     

    And as for you telling me to go away, you can fuck off yourself. I’m getting a bit irritated by your attitude.
     
    Newer commenters, who found the Unz Review through Mr. Cassiel's two (2) Pizzagate articles might not be aware of this.

    There is a zero-tolerance policy at the Unz Review when it comes to (attempted) ``sock-puppetry.'' Profanity is also not appreciated...:

    Major Commenting Enhancements

    Ron Unz • October 27, 2016

    http://www.unz.com/announcement/major-commenting-enhancements/


    Requiring Commenters to Use a Single, Unique Handle (or Using Anonymous/Anon for Greater Anonymity)


    These new features rely heavily upon the ability to organize comments by a commenter’s unique handle, and therefore required quite a lot of work in that regard. For the last couple of years, I’ve endlessly emphasized that although our webzine has very loose commenting restrictions, one of the few absolutes is the prohibition of “shape-shifting” or “sock-puppetry,” whereby a particular commenter using multiple handles to hide his identity—commenters who temporarily or permanently seek greater anonymity have always welcome to use Anonymous/Anon. Although the vast majority of regular commenters properly complied with these guidelines, I’ve now turned my fulminations into practice by spending several days cleaning up the comment archives and appropriately dealing with the relatively small number of misbehaving individuals by merging all their old comments, generally under their most recent or most common handle.

    Although the number of comments effected was relatively small—perhaps 3-4% of the total—the violations of some commenters was remarkably egregious, with a certain “Priss Factor” having published 8400 comments under a total of 397 (!!!) different handles that I managed to locate and merge, plus presumably many others that I failed to detect. Other commenters, including several notorious “trolls” had each employed at least a couple of dozen or more aliases. I still have some additional filtering and merging to do, but I think the bulk of the process has now been completed.

    Avoiding Use of Ethnic/Racial Slurs and Profanity


    Finally, I must repeat my recent warnings that commenters are strongly advised to avoid the use of ethnic/racial slurs and profanity, which is certainly not required to convey even the most controversial and inflammatory perspectives and can be offputting to readers. [...] While profanity is not strictly prohibited, as I warned, comments containing it stand a serious risk of being trashed rather than published. Do you really want to produce a highly substantive and detailed 500 word critique and then see it lost, disappearing into the ether forever, simply because you chose to include one or more totally unnecessary words?
     
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  • @FKA Max
    I agree, that was a not so subtle and elegant attempt at misdirection, but there is an issue with Milo Yiannopoulos:

    One of Steve Bannon’s surrogates, Milo Yiannopoulos, is a quarter-Jewish, anti-Planned Parenthood Catholic, and, in my opinion, the perfect embodiment of the Vatican-Zionist alliance, which I personally oppose
     
    - http://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1653271

    A couple of weeks ago Steve Bannon’s protege and surrogate Milo Yiannopoulos ( read my posts, and follow the links in them, in this thread, for more details: http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1663331 ) attempted to hijack and co-opt the Alt Right movement,
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/npis-spencer-vs-politcos-hirsh-etc/#comment-1664291

    Hunter Wallace a.k.a. Brad Griffin [ http://www.unz.com/author/brad-griffin/ ] wrote about it here:
    No, It’s Not MILO’s World

    Apparently, Vox Day has been blinded by loyalty and e-book sales and can’t see the truth about MILO. In what universe can the Podestas be condemned for Spirit Cooking and #Pizzagate pedophilia, but MILO is … OK? [...]

    Exhibit B: MILO defends pedophilia on camera and boasts about attending Hollywood pedophile parties [...]

    There is more than a whiff of a scandal coming off MILO that connects sex, corruption, malignant narcissism, hypocrisy, disgruntled unpaid employees, Breitbart and the Trump administration. [...]

    I understand that MILO and Cernovich are his friends, but does loyalty to friends require, say, making up the story that Edgar Maddison Welch, the guy who stormed Comet Ping Pong, was a “crisis actor”? The guy was indicted on federal charges. He’s still in jail …
     
    - http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2016/12/31/no-its-not-milos-world/

    Also, some new developments and potential connections from the Pizzagate investigation team:

    Is James Alefantis a fan of Michael Alig [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Alig ], proud murderer & ''born chicken hawk''?

    https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@heroic15397/is-james-alefantis-a-fan-of-michael-alig-proud-murderer-and-born-chicken-hawk

    interviewer: you were telling me that you're sort of a born chicken hawk in fact Michael like anything over 10 is like too old for you
    Michael Alig: well that's pushing it a bit far
    interviewer: ah, ok
    Michael Alig: you might, hum-hum, maybe sixteen seventeen
    interviewer: sixteen seventeen, well you're scurrying the age of consent there [...]

    A chickenhawk or chicken hawk is slang used in American and British gay culture to denote older males who prefer younger males for partners, who may less often be called "chickens", i.e., the prey of the chickenhawk. Other variations include chicken queen and chicken plucker. [...]
    Screenshot from James Alefantis' Facebook page
    [...]
    The article written by James St. James & shared by Alefantis

     

    For more information on Marcial Maciel and Steve Bannon see previous comments here:

    http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1708349 and

    http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1717741

    Breitbart’s Man in Rome: A Gentle Voice in a Strident Chorus

    http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/world/europe/breitbarts-man-in-rome-a-gentle-voice-in-a-strident-chorus.html

    To man the fort in Rome, Stephen K. Bannon, then Breitbart’s chief executive and now Mr. Trump’s chief White House strategist, turned to Mr. Williams, a telegenic and polyglot theologian who had spoken for the Vatican and defended the leader of his conservative religious order against accusations of child molestation (ultimately proved true). Mr. Williams himself then left the priesthood in disgrace when it emerged that he had broken his vows of celibacy and fathered a son. [...]

    At the time, Mr. Williams was the face of the conservative Legion of Christ religious order. In 1997, Mr. Williams helped found the conservative Legion-sponsored Zenit news agency, and he has written 15 books, including “Knowing Right From Wrong: A Christian Guide to Conscience.” [...]

    In the meantime, Mr. Williams became the go-to priest for Vatican analysis on American television and defended the leader of his order, the Rev. Marcial Maciel Degollado, from accusations of child molestation.

    Pope Benedict forced Father Maciel to leave public ministry in 2006, and after the priest died in 2008, it was shown he fathered several children, and abused drugs and children. (“I thought he was innocent,” Mr. Williams said quietly, adding: “I was wrong.”)

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  • @FKA Max
    He is likely one of those pesky opportunists/operators, I briefly mentioned in an earlier comment, that intentionally or unintentionally bring the entire investigation and debate into disrepute with their antics:

    Weirdos, hysterics and opportunists just come with the territory/are part of the package.

    It is a two/multiple-front war…
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1710072

    Some other - I believe sincere - Pizzagate investigators are doubting his story and sincerity, as well. His Youtube channel is called ``PizzaGateGear.'' He sells Pizzagate merchandise, e.g. T-shirts, etc., so monetary gain and attention seem to be his primary motivation for investigating Pizzagate: https://www.pizzagategear.com/

    Alefantis Threatens Pizzagate Researcher?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg-EhwK0FX8

    Published on Jan 6, 2017

    Did James Alefantis really threaten a pizzagate researcher, threatening to harm his family if he didn't take his Pegasus Museum Killroom video off YouTube? Or is this a hoax?

    Here a selection of skeptical commenters from the comment section of that video:

    MW M12 hours ago
    Where is a copy of the actual police report? Not the case number on a card, but the actual written/typed report stating the nature of the complaint, the parties to the complaint, and etc., These are given to an individual filing a report.

    tito20 hours ago
    He uploaded a video showing his Online Bill call log, he accidentally showed JA's number. I phoned it from anon voip, it wasn't JA. HOAX

    Stormy Knight1 day ago
    if he wants to clear his name and not be called a shill. all he would have to do is delete his pizzagategear dot com Web page and prove he's not just doing this for money. that is all it would take

    ACSW33TS1 day ago (edited)
    its an easy avenue of excuse to say he's doing it for money to sell tshirts & other crap (and less damaging) than doing it for intelligence agencies or groups purposely trying to divert online community investigating into dead ends...Alex Jones does similar, he's getting let off the hook because he sells seeds now, the seed guy not somebody working for intelligence groups to dissuade and make the truth movement seem ridiculous as its supposed leader.
     

    Well, I passed it on without doing any due diligence. I thought it may be grist for the mill. You milled it, and there’s no there there. Thanks for the lesson.

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  • Beginning in 1997, in an English town of more than 100,000 people, eight Pakistani men stood at the core of a group involving as many as three hundred suspects who abused, gang-raped, pimped and trafficked, by the most conservative estimate, well over a thousand of the town’s young girls for years. The police were eventually...
  • @utu
    50,000 - No way.

    "Weiner’s sexting of young children" - what do you mean by young children? 13, 14 years old is young?

    Yes. It is young.

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  • To reiterate a point that should be clear to the more astute reader, my goal in this series (part 1, part 2) has not been to defend “Pizzagate” as such. My goal has been to defend the people who want to investigate it against specific accusations levied against them by people who think Pizzagate has...
  • @Erebus
    Grist for the mill... http://dailywesterner.com/youtuber-life-threatened-by-comet-ping-pong-owner-james-alefantis-after-exposing-pizzagate-pegasus-kill-room/

    He is likely one of those pesky opportunists/operators, I briefly mentioned in an earlier comment, that intentionally or unintentionally bring the entire investigation and debate into disrepute with their antics:

    Weirdos, hysterics and opportunists just come with the territory/are part of the package.

    It is a two/multiple-front war…

    http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1710072

    Some other – I believe sincere – Pizzagate investigators are doubting his story and sincerity, as well. His Youtube channel is called “PizzaGateGear.” He sells Pizzagate merchandise, e.g. T-shirts, etc., so monetary gain and attention seem to be his primary motivation for investigating Pizzagate: https://www.pizzagategear.com/

    Alefantis Threatens Pizzagate Researcher?

    Published on Jan 6, 2017

    Did James Alefantis really threaten a pizzagate researcher, threatening to harm his family if he didn’t take his Pegasus Museum Killroom video off YouTube? Or is this a hoax?

    Here a selection of skeptical commenters from the comment section of that video:

    MW M12 hours ago
    Where is a copy of the actual police report? Not the case number on a card, but the actual written/typed report stating the nature of the complaint, the parties to the complaint, and etc., These are given to an individual filing a report.

    tito20 hours ago
    He uploaded a video showing his Online Bill call log, he accidentally showed JA’s number. I phoned it from anon voip, it wasn’t JA. HOAX

    Stormy Knight1 day ago
    if he wants to clear his name and not be called a shill. all he would have to do is delete his pizzagategear dot com Web page and prove he’s not just doing this for money. that is all it would take

    ACSW33TS1 day ago (edited)
    its an easy avenue of excuse to say he’s doing it for money to sell tshirts & other crap (and less damaging) than doing it for intelligence agencies or groups purposely trying to divert online community investigating into dead ends…Alex Jones does similar, he’s getting let off the hook because he sells seeds now, the seed guy not somebody working for intelligence groups to dissuade and make the truth movement seem ridiculous as its supposed leader.

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    Well, I passed it on without doing any due diligence. I thought it may be grist for the mill. You milled it, and there's no there there. Thanks for the lesson.
    , @FKA Max
    Welcome new development!

    Update: The PizzaGateGear guy just released a Youtube video telling everyone that he shut down his PizzaGateGear website and refunded everyone's money who bought merchandise from him.
    He still maintains his story, that James Alefantis called him and threatened he and his family, but the video pretty much is an implicit admission that he made up the story, in my opinion.

    In the video he is constantly looking down into the bottom-left corner of his field of vision, which according to body language experts is one of the sure signs, that somebody is lying, i.e., uncomfortable with what they are talking about. He did the same thing in the video in which he claimed, that James Alefantis called him, etc., which was an indication for me, that he was not honest. With left-handed people, it is the reverse; they would be looking down into the bottom-right corner of their field of vision, if they were lying.

    Looking down can thus be a signal of submission. It can also indicate that the person is feeling guilty.
     
    - http://changingminds.org/techniques/body/parts_body_language/eyes_body_language.htm

    Psychopaths however have been known to be able to pass lie detector tests, so these body language analysis techniques often do not work on them:

    His team of lawyers included Gerald Lefcourt, Alan Dershowitz and later Ken Starr.[10] Epstein passed a lie detector test in which he was asked whether he knew of the underage status of the girls—although lie detector tests are generally not admissible in a court of law.[22][23]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein#Solicitation_of_prostitution

    Research suggests there may be a biological component to the sociopath's fearlessness. Sociopaths are remarkably tolerant of electric shock (Hare & Schalling, 1978). Under tense conditions they show heart rate acceleration but few other signs of stress—no sweaty palms, for example. They typically pass a lie detector test even if they are lying. Ability to pass a lie detector test is part of the FBI's profile for murderers who mutilate their victims, because this type of person is usually an antisocial personality.
     
    - http://www.intropsych.com/ch12_abnormal/antisocial_personality.html

    Week 1 Update

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQQbhWGOf2s

    Published on Jan 13, 2017

    Thanks to all those who have been concerned with my safety and all those who send their support. It's truly appreciated.

    Here is the post by the voat user who first exposed him:

    throwawaa 123 points (+124|-1) 8 days ago (edited 6 days ago)

    He has NO PROOF he talked with Alefantis. In 30 seconds I reproduced this video by right clicking the name on a chat window in facebook, clicking Inspect Element, and then editing the url that the link goes to. That link stays the same even if you click Home, because the chat window is not reloaded. http://sli.mg/0TAgTw.pngPNG

    He needs to do a livestream and prove it in multiple different ways suggested on the fly by other trusted people here. One example would be (on livestream) to restart his web browser, open up facebook, open up the chat, and click the name like he did in his proof video. He claims he is no longer able to view Alefantis' profile (I still can), but we would still be able to see that his browser tried to visit that url and was blocked or redirected. That is, if it's worth the effort to prove this. But if we can't prove it, it's not really much use to us.

    He is already making money off pizzagate through his tshirt website, which he advertises in his videos. This gives him a monetary incentive to make this up, to get more attention. I'm not accusing him of lying, just saying there's no proof so we shouldn't all waste our time on this until it is proven.

    EDIT: 12 hours later, IsThisGameOfThrones has not replied (http://archive.is/w3BfF)) to my PM or to any of these comments demanding proof.

    EDIT: Two days later, he has replied to many other comments to say that it is real, but not to this one with 100+ upvotes that explains how to actually prove it.

    That to me is evidence this is a fake, and my guess is either he wants to undermine the credibility of pizzagate by throwing a fake story into the mix, or he's trying to make money. I don't like saying that someone is lying but I will remain skeptical until he provides the requested proof.
     
    - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1541808/7505552
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  • @Erebus

    ... we are probably well into areas of national security here, and given the identities of the names being bandied about very thorough enquiries would seem the minimum expectation...
     
    It occurs to me that there's two aspects of national security driving this...
    The first is, as you say, the possibility of high officials being extremely vulnerable to foreign or domestic blackmail. This should make them subjects of invasive scrutiny.

    The second is the flip side of the first.
    The Neocon ideology has come to define American domestic and foreign policy. Neocons are sufficiently entrenched, and their power centres sufficiently consolidated, that they can collectively claim "L'etat, c'est moi!" Or, as Karl Rove said: ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality."
    This is not to suggest that sexual criminality is pervasive amongst Neocons, but it is in the interests of even innocent Neocon true-believers to protect the guilty. This is simply because the Neocon-State would suffer a grievous blow to its Neocon defined national security should any of them go down in ignominy. That is, the Neocons' power may collapse with America reverting to a previous state. Unthinkable!

    And that's how open secrets remain hidden from the public eye...

    This seems to be close to the “traditional” argument as to why journalists etc. turned a blind eye to politicians’ peccadilloes, such as JFK’s amorous adventures. And possible less-than-salubrious connections to the Las Vegas and Hollywood rat pack both through his brother-in-law Peter Lawford and his father. In other words, some might disapprove of their antics, but they don’t compromise national security.

    Sex scandals have brought down governments (Harold Macmillan), and this was surely the aim of those who harried Clinton with the Monica thing.

    But some infractions are far more valuable for behind-the-scenes political maneuvering than others. Some people care a lot about adultery but many others just do not. It is within the “normal” field. Per the French, all men have a mistress and play around [Gallic shrug]. However, anything having to do with rape is a no-no, and any kind of sex with minors is rape. The younger, the worse. And so this is prime blackmail material. If there are national security implications to outing the miscreant(s) the intelligence community will certainly be weighing the harm done to the state against the harm done to the victims.

    With his drone warfare President Obama has made it OK to shoot a person dead, including an American citizen or blowing away the whole family, on shreds of so-called “evidence.”
    The Pizzagate “evidence” of some kind of illegality is definitely strong enough to justify just opening an investigation (not shooting anyone!).

    It does seem possible that Seth Rich was metaphorically “droned” like any others who threaten “national security,” which of course those in power will view as congruent with the current status quo, the Neocon neoliberal and hegemonic project. No investigation there either (as far as I know)

    It may be that an investigation is being done subrosa, of both Pizzagate and other crimes revealed by the emails. Possibly the intelligence community is trying to contain the damage because some of those within it or their allies in govt. make the above equation (our project and our positions = national security).

    Possibly that argument is being made and Pizzagate investigation is just part of the collateral damage (i.e., no public investigation undertaken). It is extraordinary that Clapper has not been disciplined for perjury. Is this failure to punish another “protect national security” scenario? Or does he maybe have something on someone?

    And of course there is the possibility that the emails represent so many new opportunities for blackmail of different sorts that is too yummy for intelligence and other insiders to resist so they are keeping it to themselves.

    It is ironic that disruption is seen as a fundamental good in neoliberal economics.
    And in the imposition of neoliberal theories and praxis on other hapless victims such as Greece. And in foreign regime change.
    But in the domestic political realm: not so good!
    Unless it means disrupting Trump. In that case, no holds barred!

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    He is likely one of those pesky opportunists/operators, I briefly mentioned in an earlier comment, that intentionally or unintentionally bring the entire investigation and debate into disrepute with their antics:

    Weirdos, hysterics and opportunists just come with the territory/are part of the package.

    It is a two/multiple-front war…
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1710072

    Some other - I believe sincere - Pizzagate investigators are doubting his story and sincerity, as well. His Youtube channel is called ``PizzaGateGear.'' He sells Pizzagate merchandise, e.g. T-shirts, etc., so monetary gain and attention seem to be his primary motivation for investigating Pizzagate: https://www.pizzagategear.com/

    Alefantis Threatens Pizzagate Researcher?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg-EhwK0FX8

    Published on Jan 6, 2017

    Did James Alefantis really threaten a pizzagate researcher, threatening to harm his family if he didn't take his Pegasus Museum Killroom video off YouTube? Or is this a hoax?

    Here a selection of skeptical commenters from the comment section of that video:

    MW M12 hours ago
    Where is a copy of the actual police report? Not the case number on a card, but the actual written/typed report stating the nature of the complaint, the parties to the complaint, and etc., These are given to an individual filing a report.

    tito20 hours ago
    He uploaded a video showing his Online Bill call log, he accidentally showed JA's number. I phoned it from anon voip, it wasn't JA. HOAX

    Stormy Knight1 day ago
    if he wants to clear his name and not be called a shill. all he would have to do is delete his pizzagategear dot com Web page and prove he's not just doing this for money. that is all it would take

    ACSW33TS1 day ago (edited)
    its an easy avenue of excuse to say he's doing it for money to sell tshirts & other crap (and less damaging) than doing it for intelligence agencies or groups purposely trying to divert online community investigating into dead ends...Alex Jones does similar, he's getting let off the hook because he sells seeds now, the seed guy not somebody working for intelligence groups to dissuade and make the truth movement seem ridiculous as its supposed leader.
     
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  • @NoseytheDuke
    I gave a thought to the notion of there being no hard evidence at all but then IMHO we are probably well into areas of national security here, and given the identities of the names being bandied about very thorough enquiries would seem the minimum expectation or what is the purpose of the high-priced, massive home security apparatus?

    National security should be so important as to be prompted into taking a much closer squint at the individuals named in Pizzagate based on suspicions alone.

    I'm in no way suggesting anyone's rights be violated but in matters of national security where Spy Vs Spy interact sometimes a cursory investigation might be commenced on the basis of just instinct or even associations. IF there is any truth to any of it then high-placed functionaries in the government are and have been exposed to a high risk of blackmail or coercion.

    … we are probably well into areas of national security here, and given the identities of the names being bandied about very thorough enquiries would seem the minimum expectation…

    It occurs to me that there’s two aspects of national security driving this…
    The first is, as you say, the possibility of high officials being extremely vulnerable to foreign or domestic blackmail. This should make them subjects of invasive scrutiny.

    The second is the flip side of the first.
    The Neocon ideology has come to define American domestic and foreign policy. Neocons are sufficiently entrenched, and their power centres sufficiently consolidated, that they can collectively claim “L’etat, c’est moi!” Or, as Karl Rove said: ”We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.”
    This is not to suggest that sexual criminality is pervasive amongst Neocons, but it is in the interests of even innocent Neocon true-believers to protect the guilty. This is simply because the Neocon-State would suffer a grievous blow to its Neocon defined national security should any of them go down in ignominy. That is, the Neocons’ power may collapse with America reverting to a previous state. Unthinkable!

    And that’s how open secrets remain hidden from the public eye…

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    This seems to be close to the "traditional" argument as to why journalists etc. turned a blind eye to politicians' peccadilloes, such as JFK's amorous adventures. And possible less-than-salubrious connections to the Las Vegas and Hollywood rat pack both through his brother-in-law Peter Lawford and his father. In other words, some might disapprove of their antics, but they don't compromise national security.

    Sex scandals have brought down governments (Harold Macmillan), and this was surely the aim of those who harried Clinton with the Monica thing.

    But some infractions are far more valuable for behind-the-scenes political maneuvering than others. Some people care a lot about adultery but many others just do not. It is within the "normal" field. Per the French, all men have a mistress and play around [Gallic shrug]. However, anything having to do with rape is a no-no, and any kind of sex with minors is rape. The younger, the worse. And so this is prime blackmail material. If there are national security implications to outing the miscreant(s) the intelligence community will certainly be weighing the harm done to the state against the harm done to the victims.

    With his drone warfare President Obama has made it OK to shoot a person dead, including an American citizen or blowing away the whole family, on shreds of so-called "evidence."
    The Pizzagate "evidence" of some kind of illegality is definitely strong enough to justify just opening an investigation (not shooting anyone!).

    It does seem possible that Seth Rich was metaphorically "droned" like any others who threaten "national security," which of course those in power will view as congruent with the current status quo, the Neocon neoliberal and hegemonic project. No investigation there either (as far as I know)

    It may be that an investigation is being done subrosa, of both Pizzagate and other crimes revealed by the emails. Possibly the intelligence community is trying to contain the damage because some of those within it or their allies in govt. make the above equation (our project and our positions = national security).

    Possibly that argument is being made and Pizzagate investigation is just part of the collateral damage (i.e., no public investigation undertaken). It is extraordinary that Clapper has not been disciplined for perjury. Is this failure to punish another "protect national security" scenario? Or does he maybe have something on someone?

    And of course there is the possibility that the emails represent so many new opportunities for blackmail of different sorts that is too yummy for intelligence and other insiders to resist so they are keeping it to themselves.

    It is ironic that disruption is seen as a fundamental good in neoliberal economics.
    And in the imposition of neoliberal theories and praxis on other hapless victims such as Greece. And in foreign regime change.
    But in the domestic political realm: not so good!
    Unless it means disrupting Trump. In that case, no holds barred!
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  • @RodW
    "Can you tell the difference between the 3 sentences?"

    Well yes, obviously, you've changed 'em around a bit. But you haven't addressed the issue behind them. For the sake of the point I'm making, they're all the same. Since this a major plank in the argument that there's murder afoot, I'd like to see some due skepticism.

    And as for you telling me to go away, you can fuck off yourself. I'm getting a bit irritated by your attitude.

    For the sake of the point I’m making, they’re all the same.

    If so, your “point” is the equivalent of no point at all, because they are logically and evidentially quite different. My altered sentences signify possibilities/probabilities, while your “necessarily”, signifies a sine qua non condition of truth.
    No-one here is claiming the latter of the Wikileaks emails, so one wondered what you’ve been arguing so viscerally about. One wonders no more – for bloviating Englishmen in Japan, certainty and probability “are all the same”. Duly noted.

    A lesson in “sameness” may be appropriate here. So, instead of telling you to go fuck yourself, I’ll extend to you an open invitation to attempt the anatomically impossible in auto-eroticism.

    Have fun, kid.

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  • @Erebus

    Where has it been shown that owning tasteless, perverted art is necessarily accompanied by abuse and murder of children?
     
    Note the italicized word that changes utterly the logical construct of the argument people are actually making.
    Let's see if we can make the sentence fit people's arguments a little more closely...

    Where has it been shown that owning tasteless, perverted art is sometimes/often accompanied by abuse and murder of children?
     
    Now, let's alter the question a little more, to make it fit even better...

    Where has it been shown that owning tasteless, perverted art of abused children is indicative of the actual abuse and murder of children?
     
    Can you tell the difference between the 3 sentences?
    If you can, you are a troll who knows well that to parachute logically critical words into people's arguments to change their meaning, and then to let loose endless salvoes against the new construct is one of your calling cards. So do we.
    If you can't tell the difference, you are simply unfit for serious discourse, at least in English.

    Either way, be gone. You have bloviated here far too long for any good you have done.

    I gave a thought to the notion of there being no hard evidence at all but then IMHO we are probably well into areas of national security here, and given the identities of the names being bandied about very thorough enquiries would seem the minimum expectation or what is the purpose of the high-priced, massive home security apparatus?

    National security should be so important as to be prompted into taking a much closer squint at the individuals named in Pizzagate based on suspicions alone.

    I’m in no way suggesting anyone’s rights be violated but in matters of national security where Spy Vs Spy interact sometimes a cursory investigation might be commenced on the basis of just instinct or even associations. IF there is any truth to any of it then high-placed functionaries in the government are and have been exposed to a high risk of blackmail or coercion.

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    ... we are probably well into areas of national security here, and given the identities of the names being bandied about very thorough enquiries would seem the minimum expectation...
     
    It occurs to me that there's two aspects of national security driving this...
    The first is, as you say, the possibility of high officials being extremely vulnerable to foreign or domestic blackmail. This should make them subjects of invasive scrutiny.

    The second is the flip side of the first.
    The Neocon ideology has come to define American domestic and foreign policy. Neocons are sufficiently entrenched, and their power centres sufficiently consolidated, that they can collectively claim "L'etat, c'est moi!" Or, as Karl Rove said: ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality."
    This is not to suggest that sexual criminality is pervasive amongst Neocons, but it is in the interests of even innocent Neocon true-believers to protect the guilty. This is simply because the Neocon-State would suffer a grievous blow to its Neocon defined national security should any of them go down in ignominy. That is, the Neocons' power may collapse with America reverting to a previous state. Unthinkable!

    And that's how open secrets remain hidden from the public eye...

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  • “Can you tell the difference between the 3 sentences?”

    Well yes, obviously, you’ve changed ‘em around a bit. But you haven’t addressed the issue behind them. For the sake of the point I’m making, they’re all the same. Since this a major plank in the argument that there’s murder afoot, I’d like to see some due skepticism.

    And as for you telling me to go away, you can fuck off yourself. I’m getting a bit irritated by your attitude.

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    For the sake of the point I’m making, they’re all the same.
     
    If so, your "point" is the equivalent of no point at all, because they are logically and evidentially quite different. My altered sentences signify possibilities/probabilities, while your "necessarily", signifies a sine qua non condition of truth.
    No-one here is claiming the latter of the Wikileaks emails, so one wondered what you've been arguing so viscerally about. One wonders no more - for bloviating Englishmen in Japan, certainty and probability "are all the same". Duly noted.

    A lesson in "sameness" may be appropriate here. So, instead of telling you to go fuck yourself, I'll extend to you an open invitation to attempt the anatomically impossible in auto-eroticism.

    Have fun, kid.
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  • Where has it been shown that owning tasteless, perverted art is necessarily accompanied by abuse and murder of children?

    Note the italicized word that changes utterly the logical construct of the argument people are actually making.
    Let’s see if we can make the sentence fit people’s arguments a little more closely…

    Where has it been shown that owning tasteless, perverted art is sometimes/often accompanied by abuse and murder of children?

    Now, let’s alter the question a little more, to make it fit even better…

    Where has it been shown that owning tasteless, perverted art of abused children is indicative of the actual abuse and murder of children?

    Can you tell the difference between the 3 sentences?
    If you can, you are a troll who knows well that to parachute logically critical words into people’s arguments to change their meaning, and then to let loose endless salvoes against the new construct is one of your calling cards. So do we.
    If you can’t tell the difference, you are simply unfit for serious discourse, at least in English.

    Either way, be gone. You have bloviated here far too long for any good you have done.

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    I gave a thought to the notion of there being no hard evidence at all but then IMHO we are probably well into areas of national security here, and given the identities of the names being bandied about very thorough enquiries would seem the minimum expectation or what is the purpose of the high-priced, massive home security apparatus?

    National security should be so important as to be prompted into taking a much closer squint at the individuals named in Pizzagate based on suspicions alone.

    I'm in no way suggesting anyone's rights be violated but in matters of national security where Spy Vs Spy interact sometimes a cursory investigation might be commenced on the basis of just instinct or even associations. IF there is any truth to any of it then high-placed functionaries in the government are and have been exposed to a high risk of blackmail or coercion.
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  • @Skeptikal
    "Michael Alig’s art is truly disturbing, precisely because it does reflect a certain level of artistic skill."

    I checked out the "store."
    I do find the images disturbing, but in a way not that "darkly" disturbing, because they seem kind of formulaic. The pricing structure looks a bit odd (from $500). Does that mean that the basic image can be provided in different formats, etc. ? Naybe he's got this stuff stored in Corel Draw on his iPad and can fiddle around with them and ship them out for 550 bucks . . .

    The zombie babies are weird. But . . . cartoonish, formulaic . . .
    Formula 1: cartoon character, e.g., Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, combined with Swastika.
    Wow! Trangressive!! How cool is that????
    Formula 2: Zombie baby
    Formula 3: Pie in face (baby/Jesus/anyone)
    I do get the impression, from the appearance of a few "personalities" repeatedly (e.g., Amanda) that some of the clientele might know who is referred to.
    Is this "art" some kind of insider thing?
    My main question, though, is who would want such crappy, childish "art" (quite apart from the subject matter) on their walls? And pay $500 for it?
    It probably is some kind of insider thing.
    "Oh, I've got that one in blue in my lavatory to match the tiles, but with cum on the face instead of the pie!"
    Like collecting My Pretty Pony's. Or Thomas Kincaid cottages . . .

    You are right – there is definitely a relatively simple pattern both to the “art” and to the pricing, and your hypotheses make good sense of the data.

    So there is apparently a market of people who apparently find it “edgy” to put this kind of art into their (second?) homes.

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  • Where has it been shown that owning tasteless, perverted art is necessarily accompanied by abuse and murder of children? Not that it’s impossible to conceive of course, but to posit a connection as a matter of course seems to lack the necessary due skepticism.

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  • @Eagle Eye
    Michael Alig's art is truly disturbing, precisely because it does reflect a certain level of artistic skill.

    http://www.michaelalig.com/store/

    Clearly there is a significant MARKET for this kind of dark and disturbing imagery: a network of sympathizers and practitioners of this kind of dark art and of the underlying darker practices. Of course, this is not a new phenomenon - check out e.g. the paintings of Hieronymus Bosch).

    Note also Tony Podesta's now infamous art collection.

    “Michael Alig’s art is truly disturbing, precisely because it does reflect a certain level of artistic skill.”

    I checked out the “store.”
    I do find the images disturbing, but in a way not that “darkly” disturbing, because they seem kind of formulaic. The pricing structure looks a bit odd (from $500). Does that mean that the basic image can be provided in different formats, etc. ? Naybe he’s got this stuff stored in Corel Draw on his iPad and can fiddle around with them and ship them out for 550 bucks . . .

    The zombie babies are weird. But . . . cartoonish, formulaic . . .
    Formula 1: cartoon character, e.g., Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, combined with Swastika.
    Wow! Trangressive!! How cool is that????
    Formula 2: Zombie baby
    Formula 3: Pie in face (baby/Jesus/anyone)
    I do get the impression, from the appearance of a few “personalities” repeatedly (e.g., Amanda) that some of the clientele might know who is referred to.
    Is this “art” some kind of insider thing?
    My main question, though, is who would want such crappy, childish “art” (quite apart from the subject matter) on their walls? And pay $500 for it?
    It probably is some kind of insider thing.
    “Oh, I’ve got that one in blue in my lavatory to match the tiles, but with cum on the face instead of the pie!”
    Like collecting My Pretty Pony’s. Or Thomas Kincaid cottages . . .

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    You are right - there is definitely a relatively simple pattern both to the "art" and to the pricing, and your hypotheses make good sense of the data.

    So there is apparently a market of people who apparently find it "edgy" to put this kind of art into their (second?) homes.
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  • @FKA Max
    I agree, that was a not so subtle and elegant attempt at misdirection, but there is an issue with Milo Yiannopoulos:

    One of Steve Bannon’s surrogates, Milo Yiannopoulos, is a quarter-Jewish, anti-Planned Parenthood Catholic, and, in my opinion, the perfect embodiment of the Vatican-Zionist alliance, which I personally oppose
     
    - http://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1653271

    A couple of weeks ago Steve Bannon’s protege and surrogate Milo Yiannopoulos ( read my posts, and follow the links in them, in this thread, for more details: http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1663331 ) attempted to hijack and co-opt the Alt Right movement,
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/npis-spencer-vs-politcos-hirsh-etc/#comment-1664291

    Hunter Wallace a.k.a. Brad Griffin [ http://www.unz.com/author/brad-griffin/ ] wrote about it here:
    No, It’s Not MILO’s World

    Apparently, Vox Day has been blinded by loyalty and e-book sales and can’t see the truth about MILO. In what universe can the Podestas be condemned for Spirit Cooking and #Pizzagate pedophilia, but MILO is … OK? [...]

    Exhibit B: MILO defends pedophilia on camera and boasts about attending Hollywood pedophile parties [...]

    There is more than a whiff of a scandal coming off MILO that connects sex, corruption, malignant narcissism, hypocrisy, disgruntled unpaid employees, Breitbart and the Trump administration. [...]

    I understand that MILO and Cernovich are his friends, but does loyalty to friends require, say, making up the story that Edgar Maddison Welch, the guy who stormed Comet Ping Pong, was a “crisis actor”? The guy was indicted on federal charges. He’s still in jail …
     
    - http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2016/12/31/no-its-not-milos-world/

    Also, some new developments and potential connections from the Pizzagate investigation team:

    Is James Alefantis a fan of Michael Alig [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Alig ], proud murderer & ''born chicken hawk''?

    https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@heroic15397/is-james-alefantis-a-fan-of-michael-alig-proud-murderer-and-born-chicken-hawk

    interviewer: you were telling me that you're sort of a born chicken hawk in fact Michael like anything over 10 is like too old for you
    Michael Alig: well that's pushing it a bit far
    interviewer: ah, ok
    Michael Alig: you might, hum-hum, maybe sixteen seventeen
    interviewer: sixteen seventeen, well you're scurrying the age of consent there [...]

    A chickenhawk or chicken hawk is slang used in American and British gay culture to denote older males who prefer younger males for partners, who may less often be called "chickens", i.e., the prey of the chickenhawk. Other variations include chicken queen and chicken plucker. [...]
    Screenshot from James Alefantis' Facebook page
    [...]
    The article written by James St. James & shared by Alefantis

     

    Michael Alig’s art is truly disturbing, precisely because it does reflect a certain level of artistic skill.

    http://www.michaelalig.com/store/

    Clearly there is a significant MARKET for this kind of dark and disturbing imagery: a network of sympathizers and practitioners of this kind of dark art and of the underlying darker practices. Of course, this is not a new phenomenon – check out e.g. the paintings of Hieronymus Bosch).

    Note also Tony Podesta’s now infamous art collection.

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    "Michael Alig’s art is truly disturbing, precisely because it does reflect a certain level of artistic skill."

    I checked out the "store."
    I do find the images disturbing, but in a way not that "darkly" disturbing, because they seem kind of formulaic. The pricing structure looks a bit odd (from $500). Does that mean that the basic image can be provided in different formats, etc. ? Naybe he's got this stuff stored in Corel Draw on his iPad and can fiddle around with them and ship them out for 550 bucks . . .

    The zombie babies are weird. But . . . cartoonish, formulaic . . .
    Formula 1: cartoon character, e.g., Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, combined with Swastika.
    Wow! Trangressive!! How cool is that????
    Formula 2: Zombie baby
    Formula 3: Pie in face (baby/Jesus/anyone)
    I do get the impression, from the appearance of a few "personalities" repeatedly (e.g., Amanda) that some of the clientele might know who is referred to.
    Is this "art" some kind of insider thing?
    My main question, though, is who would want such crappy, childish "art" (quite apart from the subject matter) on their walls? And pay $500 for it?
    It probably is some kind of insider thing.
    "Oh, I've got that one in blue in my lavatory to match the tiles, but with cum on the face instead of the pie!"
    Like collecting My Pretty Pony's. Or Thomas Kincaid cottages . . .

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  • @Eagle Eye

    There is not one word in your article to indicate there was more reason to accuse Hillary than anyone else for child pornography crimes.
     
    Nice try at misdirection, but:

    (1) the suspicion is that we are talking about mass rape and occasional sexualized murders, as in the UK cases; and

    (2) although for once, Hillary herself is probably not involved, initial indications are that Podesta and a whole network far beyond him are up to their eyeballs in something very dark and dangerous;

    (3) Bannon is definitely NOT involved - the Trump campaign will have vetted him thoroughly. Also, despite being hugely successful, Bannon is not the kind of establishment type that Podesta would cultivate.

    Unlike most Leftards, Bannon does not seem given to projection of his own foibles onto others. After all, leading Leftards are typically mired in scandal of their own including more than their fair share of pederasty and other sexual practices that even in 2017 remain illegal and socially taboo, to say nothing of routine rip-off of government programs and positions.

    Ugh! “Walleke” turns out to be yet another alias used by a certain undead former interloper on this thread.

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  • @Eagle Eye

    There is not one word in your article to indicate there was more reason to accuse Hillary than anyone else for child pornography crimes.
     
    Nice try at misdirection, but:

    (1) the suspicion is that we are talking about mass rape and occasional sexualized murders, as in the UK cases; and

    (2) although for once, Hillary herself is probably not involved, initial indications are that Podesta and a whole network far beyond him are up to their eyeballs in something very dark and dangerous;

    (3) Bannon is definitely NOT involved - the Trump campaign will have vetted him thoroughly. Also, despite being hugely successful, Bannon is not the kind of establishment type that Podesta would cultivate.

    Unlike most Leftards, Bannon does not seem given to projection of his own foibles onto others. After all, leading Leftards are typically mired in scandal of their own including more than their fair share of pederasty and other sexual practices that even in 2017 remain illegal and socially taboo, to say nothing of routine rip-off of government programs and positions.

    I agree, that was a not so subtle and elegant attempt at misdirection, but there is an issue with Milo Yiannopoulos:

    One of Steve Bannon’s surrogates, Milo Yiannopoulos, is a quarter-Jewish, anti-Planned Parenthood Catholic, and, in my opinion, the perfect embodiment of the Vatican-Zionist alliance, which I personally oppose

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1653271

    A couple of weeks ago Steve Bannon’s protege and surrogate Milo Yiannopoulos ( read my posts, and follow the links in them, in this thread, for more details: http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1663331 ) attempted to hijack and co-opt the Alt Right movement,

    http://www.unz.com/article/npis-spencer-vs-politcos-hirsh-etc/#comment-1664291

    Hunter Wallace a.k.a. Brad Griffin (http://www.unz.com/author/brad-griffin/ ] wrote about it here:
    No, It’s Not MILO’s World

    Apparently, Vox Day has been blinded by loyalty and e-book sales and can’t see the truth about MILO. In what universe can the Podestas be condemned for Spirit Cooking and #Pizzagate pedophilia, but MILO is … OK? [...]

    Exhibit B: MILO defends pedophilia on camera and boasts about attending Hollywood pedophile parties [...]

    There is more than a whiff of a scandal coming off MILO that connects sex, corruption, malignant narcissism, hypocrisy, disgruntled unpaid employees, Breitbart and the Trump administration. [...]

    I understand that MILO and Cernovich are his friends, but does loyalty to friends require, say, making up the story that Edgar Maddison Welch, the guy who stormed Comet Ping Pong, was a “crisis actor”? The guy was indicted on federal charges. He’s still in jail …

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2016/12/31/no-its-not-milos-world/

    Also, some new developments and potential connections from the Pizzagate investigation team:

    Is James Alefantis a fan of Michael Alig (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Alig ], proud murderer & ”born chicken hawk”?

    https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@heroic15397/is-james-alefantis-a-fan-of-michael-alig-proud-murderer-and-born-chicken-hawk

    interviewer: you were telling me that you’re sort of a born chicken hawk in fact Michael like anything over 10 is like too old for you
    Michael Alig: well that’s pushing it a bit far
    interviewer: ah, ok
    Michael Alig: you might, hum-hum, maybe sixteen seventeen
    interviewer: sixteen seventeen, well you’re scurrying the age of consent there [...]

    A chickenhawk or chicken hawk is slang used in American and British gay culture to denote older males who prefer younger males for partners, who may less often be called “chickens”, i.e., the prey of the chickenhawk. Other variations include chicken queen and chicken plucker. [...]
    Screenshot from James Alefantis’ Facebook page
    [...]
    The article written by James St. James & shared by Alefantis

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    Michael Alig's art is truly disturbing, precisely because it does reflect a certain level of artistic skill.

    http://www.michaelalig.com/store/

    Clearly there is a significant MARKET for this kind of dark and disturbing imagery: a network of sympathizers and practitioners of this kind of dark art and of the underlying darker practices. Of course, this is not a new phenomenon - check out e.g. the paintings of Hieronymus Bosch).

    Note also Tony Podesta's now infamous art collection.

    , @FKA Max
    For more information on Marcial Maciel and Steve Bannon see previous comments here:

    http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1708349 and

    http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1717741

    Breitbart’s Man in Rome: A Gentle Voice in a Strident Chorus

    http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/world/europe/breitbarts-man-in-rome-a-gentle-voice-in-a-strident-chorus.html


    To man the fort in Rome, Stephen K. Bannon, then Breitbart’s chief executive and now Mr. Trump’s chief White House strategist, turned to Mr. Williams, a telegenic and polyglot theologian who had spoken for the Vatican and defended the leader of his conservative religious order against accusations of child molestation (ultimately proved true). Mr. Williams himself then left the priesthood in disgrace when it emerged that he had broken his vows of celibacy and fathered a son. [...]

    At the time, Mr. Williams was the face of the conservative Legion of Christ religious order. In 1997, Mr. Williams helped found the conservative Legion-sponsored Zenit news agency, and he has written 15 books, including “Knowing Right From Wrong: A Christian Guide to Conscience.” [...]

    In the meantime, Mr. Williams became the go-to priest for Vatican analysis on American television and defended the leader of his order, the Rev. Marcial Maciel Degollado, from accusations of child molestation.

    Pope Benedict forced Father Maciel to leave public ministry in 2006, and after the priest died in 2008, it was shown he fathered several children, and abused drugs and children. (“I thought he was innocent,” Mr. Williams said quietly, adding: “I was wrong.”)
     
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  • Yeah, nice try Walleke! We’re not going to fall for your misdirection!

    Steve Bannon may have a face like a particularly debauched satyr, but we don’t judge a book by its cover here at Unz. And Comrade Eagle has checked Bannon out so don’t you try hustling him into the Pizzagate tumbril! It’s only Leftards who are going to the guillotine this time around.

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  • @Walleke
    There is not one word in your article to indicate there was more reason to accuse Hillary than anyone else for child pornography crimes. Most likely, it is Bannon who is involved in child pornography. After all, is it not his modus operandi to loudly accuse others of the crime he is committing? Look at his face: Have you ever seen such a perverted continence?

    There is not one word in your article to indicate there was more reason to accuse Hillary than anyone else for child pornography crimes.

    Nice try at misdirection, but:

    (1) the suspicion is that we are talking about mass rape and occasional sexualized murders, as in the UK cases; and

    (2) although for once, Hillary herself is probably not involved, initial indications are that Podesta and a whole network far beyond him are up to their eyeballs in something very dark and dangerous;

    (3) Bannon is definitely NOT involved – the Trump campaign will have vetted him thoroughly. Also, despite being hugely successful, Bannon is not the kind of establishment type that Podesta would cultivate.

    Unlike most Leftards, Bannon does not seem given to projection of his own foibles onto others. After all, leading Leftards are typically mired in scandal of their own including more than their fair share of pederasty and other sexual practices that even in 2017 remain illegal and socially taboo, to say nothing of routine rip-off of government programs and positions.

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    I agree, that was a not so subtle and elegant attempt at misdirection, but there is an issue with Milo Yiannopoulos:

    One of Steve Bannon’s surrogates, Milo Yiannopoulos, is a quarter-Jewish, anti-Planned Parenthood Catholic, and, in my opinion, the perfect embodiment of the Vatican-Zionist alliance, which I personally oppose
     
    - http://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1653271

    A couple of weeks ago Steve Bannon’s protege and surrogate Milo Yiannopoulos ( read my posts, and follow the links in them, in this thread, for more details: http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1663331 ) attempted to hijack and co-opt the Alt Right movement,
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/npis-spencer-vs-politcos-hirsh-etc/#comment-1664291

    Hunter Wallace a.k.a. Brad Griffin [ http://www.unz.com/author/brad-griffin/ ] wrote about it here:
    No, It’s Not MILO’s World

    Apparently, Vox Day has been blinded by loyalty and e-book sales and can’t see the truth about MILO. In what universe can the Podestas be condemned for Spirit Cooking and #Pizzagate pedophilia, but MILO is … OK? [...]

    Exhibit B: MILO defends pedophilia on camera and boasts about attending Hollywood pedophile parties [...]

    There is more than a whiff of a scandal coming off MILO that connects sex, corruption, malignant narcissism, hypocrisy, disgruntled unpaid employees, Breitbart and the Trump administration. [...]

    I understand that MILO and Cernovich are his friends, but does loyalty to friends require, say, making up the story that Edgar Maddison Welch, the guy who stormed Comet Ping Pong, was a “crisis actor”? The guy was indicted on federal charges. He’s still in jail …
     
    - http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2016/12/31/no-its-not-milos-world/

    Also, some new developments and potential connections from the Pizzagate investigation team:

    Is James Alefantis a fan of Michael Alig [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Alig ], proud murderer & ''born chicken hawk''?

    https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@heroic15397/is-james-alefantis-a-fan-of-michael-alig-proud-murderer-and-born-chicken-hawk

    interviewer: you were telling me that you're sort of a born chicken hawk in fact Michael like anything over 10 is like too old for you
    Michael Alig: well that's pushing it a bit far
    interviewer: ah, ok
    Michael Alig: you might, hum-hum, maybe sixteen seventeen
    interviewer: sixteen seventeen, well you're scurrying the age of consent there [...]

    A chickenhawk or chicken hawk is slang used in American and British gay culture to denote older males who prefer younger males for partners, who may less often be called "chickens", i.e., the prey of the chickenhawk. Other variations include chicken queen and chicken plucker. [...]
    Screenshot from James Alefantis' Facebook page
    [...]
    The article written by James St. James & shared by Alefantis

     

    , @Eagle Eye
    Ugh! "Walleke" turns out to be yet another alias used by a certain undead former interloper on this thread.
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  • Ohayo. Kyou ha ame dakara, kono bakatorihoihoi ni zonbun ni toukou shiyou.
    That’s Japanese for “Mornin’. It’s raining today, so I’m going to post a lot in this fool-trapping thread”.

    My, haven’t we become awfully erudite on this thread lately? And if I’m not mistaken, isn’t it all a load of silly credentialism?

    If my aim really were trolling or disruption (it isn’t), I couldn’t have done a better job. Since Eagle Eye applied his gold-rimmed peer pressure, all we’ve seen is posts declaring fealty to the new leader. Poor JoeLB has been bullied into censoring himself completely. Skeptikal is busy agreeing with everyone except me, as usual. You’d make a great antibody dear – you have all the right instincts. Beefcake the Mighty doesn’t want to feed the troll, but can’t help himself. Unfortunately, FKA Max won’t be cowed so easily, and he’s been busy building up his witty strawman.

    What we don’t see though is much progress with the investigatin’. How’s that going? The thing about rigour is that it requires discipline, and none of you seem to have any. Instead of rigorously considering evidence, which is still the only true handle on reality, you go howling after anybody who expresses doubt, wasting time building up a fantastic Emmanuel Goldstein character out of them. You’re still doing it. Somebody who actually aimed to troll could have even more fun with you.

    The problem for you is that although you keep pretending that you’re investigatin’, you can’t produce any material of your own. You’re going to spin your wheels waiting until somebody drip feeds you some more material to enthuse over.

    I agree.
    That said, what is one to make of comment 193?
    Is the author Aidan Cassiel working on part 3?

    Skeptikal can’t wait to get another helping to keep the juices flowing. Trouble is, Aedon (he’s called Aedon sweetheart, not Aidan) is just regurgitating stuff produced by more creative people, so if they don’t come up with fresh goods soon, he can’t either. And you lot certainly won’t come up with anything of value because you have no clue as to how to go about it. Eagle Eye’s proposal to study the UK police and BBC is the equivalent of my playground idea that we should check out the brick pavilion. Found any good leads yet, Eagle?

    So does the silence surrounding my suggestions for a little Unz.com investigation mean that you don’t approve? Or does it mean that you’re afraid to get some input that might puncture your little bubble?

    Ja, matta ne.
    (Bye for now)

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  • There is not one word in your article to indicate there was more reason to accuse Hillary than anyone else for child pornography crimes. Most likely, it is Bannon who is involved in child pornography. After all, is it not his modus operandi to loudly accuse others of the crime he is committing? Look at his face: Have you ever seen such a perverted continence?

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    There is not one word in your article to indicate there was more reason to accuse Hillary than anyone else for child pornography crimes.
     
    Nice try at misdirection, but:

    (1) the suspicion is that we are talking about mass rape and occasional sexualized murders, as in the UK cases; and

    (2) although for once, Hillary herself is probably not involved, initial indications are that Podesta and a whole network far beyond him are up to their eyeballs in something very dark and dangerous;

    (3) Bannon is definitely NOT involved - the Trump campaign will have vetted him thoroughly. Also, despite being hugely successful, Bannon is not the kind of establishment type that Podesta would cultivate.

    Unlike most Leftards, Bannon does not seem given to projection of his own foibles onto others. After all, leading Leftards are typically mired in scandal of their own including more than their fair share of pederasty and other sexual practices that even in 2017 remain illegal and socially taboo, to say nothing of routine rip-off of government programs and positions.

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  • @FKA Max
    Corrections for my above comment: The Japanese are a very *rigo[u]rous* people and culture... ...if you don’t have *the* right ingredients...

    This is a tweet Steve Sailer retweeted yesterday:


    Steve Sailer Retweeted
    John Rivers ‏@JohnRiversX7 Jan 5

    http://Unz.com has grown into a pretty popular website.
    Ron Unz hand codes it.
     
    - https://twitter.com/JohnRiversX7/status/817224384633012224

    Flexibility and taking risks instead of rigidity and playing it safe, are the hallmarks of the Silicon Valley spirit, in my opinion and in my experience.

    One of my father's friends (who actually speaks Japanese and is married to a Japanese, with whom he has two daughters, and who also happens to work in the Silicon Valley) put it this way recently:

    As Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe looks for ways to reboot Abenomics, he could do worse than heed the advice of Kurt Kelty. Delivering a public speech on a recent Friday evening in Osaka, Tesla's director of battery technology captured all that's wrong with the Japanese economy. "We need to take risks, otherwise there will be no prosperity in business,” Kelty said in fluent Japanese. “We take risks, but it seems not the case in Japan.”
     
    - https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-04-02/japan-s-battery-powered-recovery

    This is what I wrote a couple of months ago:

    Whomever has the ”smarts” to sustainably, fairly, and ethically tap into this significant, yet unexploited, renewable natural resource, will strike it rich, in monetary as well as in political terms. The technology/mindset to successfully tap these deposits/reserves with, is a mysterious and magical formula. Akin to discovering the Holy Grail. I feel Mr. Unz is one of the very few people close to discovering/formulating it. Peter Thiel is another person on the right(eous) path.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/runz/when-viacom-ceo-philippe-dauman-still-had-an-iq-of-260/#comment-1525753

    As some commenters have pointed out above, even though the interactions and the exchanges with Rigour Rod have been extremely tiresome, I feel as well, that this comment thread has served a useful purpose and has been extremely educational, in my opinion, on several different levels and in many different ways.

    But what if higher education is really just the final stage of a competitive tournament? From grades and test results through the U.S. News & World Report rankings of the colleges themselves, higher education sorts us all into a hierarchy. Kids at the top enjoy prestige because they’ve defeated everybody else in a competition to reach the schools that proudly exclude the most people. All the hard work at Harvard is done by the admissions officers who anoint an already-proven hypercompetitive elite. If that weren’t true — if superior instruction could explain the value of college — then why not franchise the Ivy League?
     
    - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/peter-thiel-thinking-too-highly-of-higher-ed/2014/11/21/f6758fba-70d4-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html?utm_term=.381d023d0889

    I think Rigour Rod is a product of this increasingly impotent and obsolete, hyper-competitive, rigo[u]rous system and elitist hierarchy, and he believes this somehow makes him better than others, but I think he is wrong about that.

    The internet has the same effect as the printing press had over 500 years ago.


    Significantly, if one wanted to make an analogy, much more relevant to American history, of a once-infallible religious leader facing threats from multiple schools of thought using a new technology to spread their message, Martin Luther, not Mohammed comes to mind.

    The Alt Right is not looking to reform corrupt Conservatism Inc. It wants to destroy it.

    In this respect, it’s revealing that Continetti celebrates the high costs and “barriers to entry” during the Buckley’s heyday. Rather than religion, this brings to mind economics—the classic description of a monopoly.

    For all Continetti’s fretting about the Alt Right bringing “another conservative dark age,”, the Alt Right’s top institution’s likely have an annual budget of less than half a million dollars combined. In contrast, Conservatism Inc. has literally billions of dollars.

    So what does it say about the “conservative” movement’s value in the marketplace of ideas when its very existence is threatened by a few small institutions, some anonymous trolls on Twitter, and a few writers who National Review thought they had already destroyed?

    The Alt Right is not like Islamists waging jihad against Conservatism Inc.—it’s like Netflix unleashing creative destruction upon Blockbuster.
     
    - http://www.vdare.com/articles/neocons-want-to-destroy-alt-right-bring-back-buckley-style-excommunications-too-bad

    This example of “rigidity” is just too funny, I just have to share it here:

    When we see rigidity in a person, it means they’re severe, like a teacher [/ or Rigour Rod] who punishes you for being late even though you were busy saving an orphan from a polar bear[/ or a Pedobear].

    https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/rigidity

    Pedobear is an Internet meme that became popular through the imageboard 4chan.[1] As the name suggests (“pedo” being short for “pedophile”), it is portrayed as a pedophilic bear.[2] It is a concept used to mock pedophiles or people who have any sexual interest in children or jailbait.[3][4][5] The bear image has been likened to bait used to lure children or as a mascot for pedophiles.[3][5]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedobear

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  • @FKA Max
    Corrections for my above comment: The Japanese are a very *rigo[u]rous* people and culture... ...if you don’t have *the* right ingredients...

    This is a tweet Steve Sailer retweeted yesterday:


    Steve Sailer Retweeted
    John Rivers ‏@JohnRiversX7 Jan 5

    http://Unz.com has grown into a pretty popular website.
    Ron Unz hand codes it.
     
    - https://twitter.com/JohnRiversX7/status/817224384633012224

    Flexibility and taking risks instead of rigidity and playing it safe, are the hallmarks of the Silicon Valley spirit, in my opinion and in my experience.

    One of my father's friends (who actually speaks Japanese and is married to a Japanese, with whom he has two daughters, and who also happens to work in the Silicon Valley) put it this way recently:

    As Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe looks for ways to reboot Abenomics, he could do worse than heed the advice of Kurt Kelty. Delivering a public speech on a recent Friday evening in Osaka, Tesla's director of battery technology captured all that's wrong with the Japanese economy. "We need to take risks, otherwise there will be no prosperity in business,” Kelty said in fluent Japanese. “We take risks, but it seems not the case in Japan.”
     
    - https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-04-02/japan-s-battery-powered-recovery

    This is what I wrote a couple of months ago:

    Whomever has the ”smarts” to sustainably, fairly, and ethically tap into this significant, yet unexploited, renewable natural resource, will strike it rich, in monetary as well as in political terms. The technology/mindset to successfully tap these deposits/reserves with, is a mysterious and magical formula. Akin to discovering the Holy Grail. I feel Mr. Unz is one of the very few people close to discovering/formulating it. Peter Thiel is another person on the right(eous) path.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/runz/when-viacom-ceo-philippe-dauman-still-had-an-iq-of-260/#comment-1525753

    As some commenters have pointed out above, even though the interactions and the exchanges with Rigour Rod have been extremely tiresome, I feel as well, that this comment thread has served a useful purpose and has been extremely educational, in my opinion, on several different levels and in many different ways.

    But what if higher education is really just the final stage of a competitive tournament? From grades and test results through the U.S. News & World Report rankings of the colleges themselves, higher education sorts us all into a hierarchy. Kids at the top enjoy prestige because they’ve defeated everybody else in a competition to reach the schools that proudly exclude the most people. All the hard work at Harvard is done by the admissions officers who anoint an already-proven hypercompetitive elite. If that weren’t true — if superior instruction could explain the value of college — then why not franchise the Ivy League?
     
    - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/peter-thiel-thinking-too-highly-of-higher-ed/2014/11/21/f6758fba-70d4-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html?utm_term=.381d023d0889

    I think Rigour Rod is a product of this increasingly impotent and obsolete, hyper-competitive, rigo[u]rous system and elitist hierarchy, and he believes this somehow makes him better than others, but I think he is wrong about that.

    The internet has the same effect as the printing press had over 500 years ago.


    Significantly, if one wanted to make an analogy, much more relevant to American history, of a once-infallible religious leader facing threats from multiple schools of thought using a new technology to spread their message, Martin Luther, not Mohammed comes to mind.

    The Alt Right is not looking to reform corrupt Conservatism Inc. It wants to destroy it.

    In this respect, it’s revealing that Continetti celebrates the high costs and “barriers to entry” during the Buckley’s heyday. Rather than religion, this brings to mind economics—the classic description of a monopoly.

    For all Continetti’s fretting about the Alt Right bringing “another conservative dark age,”, the Alt Right’s top institution’s likely have an annual budget of less than half a million dollars combined. In contrast, Conservatism Inc. has literally billions of dollars.

    So what does it say about the “conservative” movement’s value in the marketplace of ideas when its very existence is threatened by a few small institutions, some anonymous trolls on Twitter, and a few writers who National Review thought they had already destroyed?

    The Alt Right is not like Islamists waging jihad against Conservatism Inc.—it’s like Netflix unleashing creative destruction upon Blockbuster.
     
    - http://www.vdare.com/articles/neocons-want-to-destroy-alt-right-bring-back-buckley-style-excommunications-too-bad

    Agree – the Internet provides the CHANCE of access to a true diversity of information to a far broader swath of interested individuals.

    (At the same time, the Internet has already become the engine of a possibly SUICIDAL degree of surveillance.)

    The struggle to the death is – as always – about the power to impose meaning on the past and the present.

    Totalitarian “Cultural Marxists” and the entire post-modern “NARRATIVE JIHAD” establishment in academia, politics and the media see their interpretive authority waning and are desperate to go back to the elite position of the 14th century Catholic church where knowledge was essentially monopolized by a narrow priesthood.

    The key insight that the “NARRATIVE JIHADIS” want to obscure is that truth can only be established through EVIDENCE, not through ORTHODOXY. Sola evidentia.

    If 99% of scientists believe that light cannot be deflected by the sun’s gravity under their theory of physics, but my measurements during a solar ellipse show that deflection does occur, than their theory is wrong. Note that in this scenario, I have NOT even proposed a hypothesis of my own, let alone established a theory.

    Similarly, if 99% of climate “scientists” appointed to “blue ribbon commissions” by political apparatchiks from Georgetown U proclaim that the earth is warming and ocean levels are rising by several feet a century, and my measurements show that no such rise is happening or likely, then the 99% are wrong.

    Believing an “accredited” scientist is at best a heuristic short-cut to build up factual, scientifically proven data and explanatory theories in a (somewhat) peer-reviewed fashion.

    Belief in the pronouncements of Prof. X and Dr. Y, or even a whole congress of such worthies, can NEVER be a substitute for the hard work of making ACTUAL hard measurements and conceiving and communicating scientific theories explaining those measurements, any more than the learned effusions of medieval theoreticians were a substitute for actual observations of the universe by practical astronomers like Tycho Brahe.

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  • @JoeLB
    I had a long reply to RodW's long reply, but I'm taking your advice.

    DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!

    Thank you, Eagle Eye.

    Joe

    Thank YOU and everyone for their attention and contributions.

    And yes, “DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS” would have been a more succinct way of putting it.

    It strikes me that more thought should be given to exactly WHOM the intense covering fire here (and the blanket “D Notice”* keeping any mention of Pizzagate out of most of the MSM) is supposed to protect?

    In the UK and in Belgium, one saw long-established networks of pedophiles across party lines, spanning all branches of government and reaching into the supra-national EU organizations. International connections and access to unprotected youth in Third World countries (e.g. Haiti, Africa, South and SE Asia) would seem to be the holy grail for any ambitious pedophile.

    Ironically, perhaps because of its handy food association, PG does seem to have become something of an underground meme even among those inclined to blue-pill obeisance to the rules of government-mandated goodthink.

    * D Notice is a traditional British term for a government notice banning mention of certain subject matter throughout all media.

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  • @Skeptikal
    Re Silicon Valley,
    Ron Unz mentioned earlier that he was working on some programming or software or something.
    The comment function at this site seems to be quite a bit more sophisticated than what I have seen at other sites, with features I have not seen elsewhere.

    I am definitely an "anti-techie," so I have no idea.
    But wonder whether this comment interface or whatever it is called is a creation of our host Ron Unz.

    Corrections for my above comment: The Japanese are a very *rigo[u]rous* people and culture… …if you don’t have *the* right ingredients…

    This is a tweet Steve Sailer retweeted yesterday:

    Steve Sailer Retweeted
    John Rivers ‏@JohnRiversX7 Jan 5

    http://Unz.com has grown into a pretty popular website.
    Ron Unz hand codes it.

    https://twitter.com/JohnRiversX7/status/817224384633012224

    Flexibility and taking risks instead of rigidity and playing it safe, are the hallmarks of the Silicon Valley spirit, in my opinion and in my experience.

    One of my father’s friends (who actually speaks Japanese and is married to a Japanese, with whom he has two daughters, and who also happens to work in the Silicon Valley) put it this way recently:

    As Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe looks for ways to reboot Abenomics, he could do worse than heed the advice of Kurt Kelty. Delivering a public speech on a recent Friday evening in Osaka, Tesla’s director of battery technology captured all that’s wrong with the Japanese economy. “We need to take risks, otherwise there will be no prosperity in business,” Kelty said in fluent Japanese. “We take risks, but it seems not the case in Japan.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-04-02/japan-s-battery-powered-recovery

    This is what I wrote a couple of months ago:

    Whomever has the ”smarts” to sustainably, fairly, and ethically tap into this significant, yet unexploited, renewable natural resource, will strike it rich, in monetary as well as in political terms. The technology/mindset to successfully tap these deposits/reserves with, is a mysterious and magical formula. Akin to discovering the Holy Grail. I feel Mr. Unz is one of the very few people close to discovering/formulating it. Peter Thiel is another person on the right(eous) path.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/when-viacom-ceo-philippe-dauman-still-had-an-iq-of-260/#comment-1525753

    As some commenters have pointed out above, even though the interactions and the exchanges with Rigour Rod have been extremely tiresome, I feel as well, that this comment thread has served a useful purpose and has been extremely educational, in my opinion, on several different levels and in many different ways.

    But what if higher education is really just the final stage of a competitive tournament? From grades and test results through the U.S. News & World Report rankings of the colleges themselves, higher education sorts us all into a hierarchy. Kids at the top enjoy prestige because they’ve defeated everybody else in a competition to reach the schools that proudly exclude the most people. All the hard work at Harvard is done by the admissions officers who anoint an already-proven hypercompetitive elite. If that weren’t true — if superior instruction could explain the value of college — then why not franchise the Ivy League?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/peter-thiel-thinking-too-highly-of-higher-ed/2014/11/21/f6758fba-70d4-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html?utm_term=.381d023d0889

    I think Rigour Rod is a product of this increasingly impotent and obsolete, hyper-competitive, rigo[u]rous system and elitist hierarchy, and he believes this somehow makes him better than others, but I think he is wrong about that.

    The internet has the same effect as the printing press had over 500 years ago.

    Significantly, if one wanted to make an analogy, much more relevant to American history, of a once-infallible religious leader facing threats from multiple schools of thought using a new technology to spread their message, Martin Luther, not Mohammed comes to mind.

    The Alt Right is not looking to reform corrupt Conservatism Inc. It wants to destroy it.

    In this respect, it’s revealing that Continetti celebrates the high costs and “barriers to entry” during the Buckley’s heyday. Rather than religion, this brings to mind economics—the classic description of a monopoly.

    For all Continetti’s fretting about the Alt Right bringing “another conservative dark age,”, the Alt Right’s top institution’s likely have an annual budget of less than half a million dollars combined. In contrast, Conservatism Inc. has literally billions of dollars.

    So what does it say about the “conservative” movement’s value in the marketplace of ideas when its very existence is threatened by a few small institutions, some anonymous trolls on Twitter, and a few writers who National Review thought they had already destroyed?

    The Alt Right is not like Islamists waging jihad against Conservatism Inc.—it’s like Netflix unleashing creative destruction upon Blockbuster.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/neocons-want-to-destroy-alt-right-bring-back-buckley-style-excommunications-too-bad

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    Agree - the Internet provides the CHANCE of access to a true diversity of information to a far broader swath of interested individuals.

    (At the same time, the Internet has already become the engine of a possibly SUICIDAL degree of surveillance.)

    The struggle to the death is - as always - about the power to impose meaning on the past and the present.

    Totalitarian "Cultural Marxists" and the entire post-modern "NARRATIVE JIHAD" establishment in academia, politics and the media see their interpretive authority waning and are desperate to go back to the elite position of the 14th century Catholic church where knowledge was essentially monopolized by a narrow priesthood.

    The key insight that the "NARRATIVE JIHADIS" want to obscure is that truth can only be established through EVIDENCE, not through ORTHODOXY. Sola evidentia.

    If 99% of scientists believe that light cannot be deflected by the sun's gravity under their theory of physics, but my measurements during a solar ellipse show that deflection does occur, than their theory is wrong. Note that in this scenario, I have NOT even proposed a hypothesis of my own, let alone established a theory.

    Similarly, if 99% of climate "scientists" appointed to "blue ribbon commissions" by political apparatchiks from Georgetown U proclaim that the earth is warming and ocean levels are rising by several feet a century, and my measurements show that no such rise is happening or likely, then the 99% are wrong.

    Believing an "accredited" scientist is at best a heuristic short-cut to build up factual, scientifically proven data and explanatory theories in a (somewhat) peer-reviewed fashion.

    Belief in the pronouncements of Prof. X and Dr. Y, or even a whole congress of such worthies, can NEVER be a substitute for the hard work of making ACTUAL hard measurements and conceiving and communicating scientific theories explaining those measurements, any more than the learned effusions of medieval theoreticians were a substitute for actual observations of the universe by practical astronomers like Tycho Brahe.

    , @FKA Max
    This example of ``rigidity'' is just too funny, I just have to share it here:


    When we see rigidity in a person, it means they're severe, like a teacher [/ or Rigour Rod] who punishes you for being late even though you were busy saving an orphan from a polar bear[/ or a Pedobear].
     
    - https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/rigidity

    Pedobear is an Internet meme that became popular through the imageboard 4chan.[1] As the name suggests ("pedo" being short for "pedophile"), it is portrayed as a pedophilic bear.[2] It is a concept used to mock pedophiles or people who have any sexual interest in children or jailbait.[3][4][5] The bear image has been likened to bait used to lure children or as a mascot for pedophiles.[3][5]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedobear
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  • At least twice now RodW has said he’s had enough, only to come back. Promises, promises.

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  • @Eagle Eye
    URGENT REQUEST!

    Please DO NOT RESPOND TO RodW's TROLLING ANY FURTHER! Simply let his rantings wither on the vine. He has intentionally wasted enough bandwidth and sucked up unwarranted attention, and our gentle host Ron Unz has bidden him goodbye.

    Going forward, what would be much more helpful to advance the discussion in a positive way is to have everyone's INSIGHTS on further lines of enquiry.

    A useful "primer" of pertinent facts and observations is found here:

    https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/

    Familiarity with the sequence of events, conduct of investigations of pedophile rings in other countries (especially the dynamics of organizational responses, e.g. by the BBC and police forces in the UK) may help to focus organizational energies here.

    We already know from RodW's tireless effusions that
    (1) there is far too much smoke here for there to be no fire; and
    (2) possible U.S. suspects and their paid propaganda operatives here and throughout the MSM are working overtime to DISCOURAGE EVEN PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATIONS.)

    Clearly, there are many further areas that can and should be looked into.

    Thank you.

    I had a long reply to RodW’s long reply, but I’m taking your advice.

    DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!

    Thank you, Eagle Eye.

    Joe

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    Thank YOU and everyone for their attention and contributions.

    And yes, "DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS" would have been a more succinct way of putting it.

    It strikes me that more thought should be given to exactly WHOM the intense covering fire here (and the blanket "D Notice"* keeping any mention of Pizzagate out of most of the MSM) is supposed to protect?

    In the UK and in Belgium, one saw long-established networks of pedophiles across party lines, spanning all branches of government and reaching into the supra-national EU organizations. International connections and access to unprotected youth in Third World countries (e.g. Haiti, Africa, South and SE Asia) would seem to be the holy grail for any ambitious pedophile.

    Ironically, perhaps because of its handy food association, PG does seem to have become something of an underground meme even among those inclined to blue-pill obeisance to the rules of government-mandated goodthink.

    * D Notice is a traditional British term for a government notice banning mention of certain subject matter throughout all media.

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  • @Eagle Eye
    URGENT REQUEST!

    Please DO NOT RESPOND TO RodW's TROLLING ANY FURTHER! Simply let his rantings wither on the vine. He has intentionally wasted enough bandwidth and sucked up unwarranted attention, and our gentle host Ron Unz has bidden him goodbye.

    Going forward, what would be much more helpful to advance the discussion in a positive way is to have everyone's INSIGHTS on further lines of enquiry.

    A useful "primer" of pertinent facts and observations is found here:

    https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/

    Familiarity with the sequence of events, conduct of investigations of pedophile rings in other countries (especially the dynamics of organizational responses, e.g. by the BBC and police forces in the UK) may help to focus organizational energies here.

    We already know from RodW's tireless effusions that
    (1) there is far too much smoke here for there to be no fire; and
    (2) possible U.S. suspects and their paid propaganda operatives here and throughout the MSM are working overtime to DISCOURAGE EVEN PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATIONS.)

    Clearly, there are many further areas that can and should be looked into.

    Thank you.

    I agree.
    That said, what is one to make of comment 193?

    Is the author Aidan Cassiel working on part 3?

    I believe the admonition “Comments on articles more than two weeks old will be judged much more strictly on quality and tone” is designed to put a stop to snark and derision directed at other commenters, which taints any potentially useful material or ideas both the “snark shooter” puts forth.

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  • @FKA Max
    My father prides himself on what he believes is intellectual rigour.

    Maybe you need to reconsider/redefine your perception/definition of rigour, Rod. Rigour Rod!!!, that is a cool nickname, isn't it!!!

    Would you mind if I call you Rigour Rod from now on, Rigour Rod?

    A New Definition of Rigo[u]r


    There it is. Rigo[u]r is the result of work that challenges students' thinking in new and interesting ways. It occurs when they are encouraged toward a sophisticated understanding of fundamental ideas and are driven by curiosity to discover what they don't know. [...]

    Let us aspire to something greater than making difficult work for our students. Let's take them to that intersection of encouragement and engagement, where they confront ideas and problems that are meaningful. Let's stretch their thinking. Let's unleash their sophistication. And let's foster a love of deep knowledge.
     
    - https://www.edutopia.org/blog/a-new-definition-of-rigor-brian-sztabnik

    I believe, investigating and debating Pizzagate ``stretches'' people's thinking and broadens their horizons, Rigour Rod. That is why I encourage and participate in the Pizzagate investigation and debate.

    See, what most people associate with your type of rigour, Rigour Rod, is this:


    We don't need no education
    We don't need no thought control
    No dark sarcasm in the classroom
    Teachers leave them kids alone
    Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone
    [...]
    "Wrong, do it again!"
    "If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding[/or pizzagate]
    How can you have any pudding[/or pizzagate] if you don't eat yer meat?"
    "You! Yes, you behind the bike sheds, stand still laddy!"
     
    The Japanese are a very rigours people and culture, as well, and that is probably why you feel at home there, Rigour Rod; but not all peoples and cultures are like yours, your dad's and/or the Japanese's, Rigour Rod.

    Much attention has been given to the rigo[u]r of the Japanese education system and workplace, both of which have certainly contributed to the country’s economic and technological growth. Japanese are expected from a young age to work hard and succeed in a highly competitive environment.
     
    - http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/at/contemp_japan/cjp_education_02.html

    There is a mythical place, Rigour Rod, known as Silicon Valley, I believe Mr. Unz lives in that legendary place, where making mistakes and failure is not automatically punished and looked down upon, but actually often celebrated and encouraged, because it fosters innovation and progress. I know, that does not seem and sound to be very rigo[u]rous and proper, Rigour Rod, but those lads in Silicon Valley, also called ``disrupters'' by some, are quite successful with their approach; some even claim, believe or not, those lads have changed the world, Rigour Rod!
    People all over the world are trying to replicate this miracle known as Silicon Valley, but if you don't have right ingredients and the rigo[u]rous and proper disrupter vibe/spirit, it won't happen and manifest. And most don't have or understand this Silicon Valley disrupter vibe and spirit properly; including yourself, unfortunately, Rigour Rod. But there is always hope. Hope dies last! I have hope for you and your dad, Rigour Rod, even though you are both waaaayyyy too rigo[u]rous, at the moment:

    To succeed here, one needed to tap into this vibe. Unlike the keep-your-head-down mentality of Washingtonians, strangers in Silicon Valley are inclined to interact based on a common mission to design the next great thing. [...]
    To understand what a pro-entrepreneur policy might look like, one must first understand what it means to be a tech startup. These hyper-caffeinated folks think of themselves as “great disrupters,” tearing down the establishment and building back the world in their vision.
     
    - http://www.forbes.com/sites/halsinger/2013/06/26/the-great-disrupters-of-silicon-valley/#5d4a66486916

    I understand and see the Unz Review as a journalistic extension and projection of this innovative Silicon Valley ``disrupter'' vibe and spirit beyond the physical/geographical borders of the Silicon Valley, Rigour Rod.

    Arigato, for your attention, Rigour Rod.

    Re Silicon Valley,
    Ron Unz mentioned earlier that he was working on some programming or software or something.
    The comment function at this site seems to be quite a bit more sophisticated than what I have seen at other sites, with features I have not seen elsewhere.

    I am definitely an “anti-techie,” so I have no idea.
    But wonder whether this comment interface or whatever it is called is a creation of our host Ron Unz.

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    Corrections for my above comment: The Japanese are a very *rigo[u]rous* people and culture... ...if you don’t have *the* right ingredients...

    This is a tweet Steve Sailer retweeted yesterday:


    Steve Sailer Retweeted
    John Rivers ‏@JohnRiversX7 Jan 5

    http://Unz.com has grown into a pretty popular website.
    Ron Unz hand codes it.
     
    - https://twitter.com/JohnRiversX7/status/817224384633012224

    Flexibility and taking risks instead of rigidity and playing it safe, are the hallmarks of the Silicon Valley spirit, in my opinion and in my experience.

    One of my father's friends (who actually speaks Japanese and is married to a Japanese, with whom he has two daughters, and who also happens to work in the Silicon Valley) put it this way recently:

    As Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe looks for ways to reboot Abenomics, he could do worse than heed the advice of Kurt Kelty. Delivering a public speech on a recent Friday evening in Osaka, Tesla's director of battery technology captured all that's wrong with the Japanese economy. "We need to take risks, otherwise there will be no prosperity in business,” Kelty said in fluent Japanese. “We take risks, but it seems not the case in Japan.”
     
    - https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-04-02/japan-s-battery-powered-recovery

    This is what I wrote a couple of months ago:

    Whomever has the ”smarts” to sustainably, fairly, and ethically tap into this significant, yet unexploited, renewable natural resource, will strike it rich, in monetary as well as in political terms. The technology/mindset to successfully tap these deposits/reserves with, is a mysterious and magical formula. Akin to discovering the Holy Grail. I feel Mr. Unz is one of the very few people close to discovering/formulating it. Peter Thiel is another person on the right(eous) path.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/runz/when-viacom-ceo-philippe-dauman-still-had-an-iq-of-260/#comment-1525753

    As some commenters have pointed out above, even though the interactions and the exchanges with Rigour Rod have been extremely tiresome, I feel as well, that this comment thread has served a useful purpose and has been extremely educational, in my opinion, on several different levels and in many different ways.

    But what if higher education is really just the final stage of a competitive tournament? From grades and test results through the U.S. News & World Report rankings of the colleges themselves, higher education sorts us all into a hierarchy. Kids at the top enjoy prestige because they’ve defeated everybody else in a competition to reach the schools that proudly exclude the most people. All the hard work at Harvard is done by the admissions officers who anoint an already-proven hypercompetitive elite. If that weren’t true — if superior instruction could explain the value of college — then why not franchise the Ivy League?
     
    - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/peter-thiel-thinking-too-highly-of-higher-ed/2014/11/21/f6758fba-70d4-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html?utm_term=.381d023d0889

    I think Rigour Rod is a product of this increasingly impotent and obsolete, hyper-competitive, rigo[u]rous system and elitist hierarchy, and he believes this somehow makes him better than others, but I think he is wrong about that.

    The internet has the same effect as the printing press had over 500 years ago.


    Significantly, if one wanted to make an analogy, much more relevant to American history, of a once-infallible religious leader facing threats from multiple schools of thought using a new technology to spread their message, Martin Luther, not Mohammed comes to mind.

    The Alt Right is not looking to reform corrupt Conservatism Inc. It wants to destroy it.

    In this respect, it’s revealing that Continetti celebrates the high costs and “barriers to entry” during the Buckley’s heyday. Rather than religion, this brings to mind economics—the classic description of a monopoly.

    For all Continetti’s fretting about the Alt Right bringing “another conservative dark age,”, the Alt Right’s top institution’s likely have an annual budget of less than half a million dollars combined. In contrast, Conservatism Inc. has literally billions of dollars.

    So what does it say about the “conservative” movement’s value in the marketplace of ideas when its very existence is threatened by a few small institutions, some anonymous trolls on Twitter, and a few writers who National Review thought they had already destroyed?

    The Alt Right is not like Islamists waging jihad against Conservatism Inc.—it’s like Netflix unleashing creative destruction upon Blockbuster.
     
    - http://www.vdare.com/articles/neocons-want-to-destroy-alt-right-bring-back-buckley-style-excommunications-too-bad
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  • Having looked through the summary of the https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/, I have to agree that it’s hard to find an innocent explanation for the pedophile symbols appearing in various places. Alefantis’ Instagram is also suggestive enough to warrant investigation of some sort.

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  • Leave a Reply – Comments on articles more than two weeks old will be judged much more strictly on quality and tone

    Given that the last few posts have been nothing but the most puerile ad hominem and make-believe, it’s hard to take this warning seriously. I’m assuming a yellow rim on a post is some sort of award for the most hysterical attack on another poster.

    (2) possible U.S. suspects and their paid propaganda operatives here and throughout the MSM are working overtime to DISCOURAGE EVEN PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATIONS.)

    Eagle Eye/Skeptikal, your eagle eye perhaps missed the fact that I’m probably the only person on this thread who is actually doing any investigating. I’m looking at the ‘evidence’ that’s already been presented, and I’m providing critical insight. I don’t see you doing that.

    Also, I suggested that the Stratfor “waitresses” thing would be a good place to start some sort of investigation, because that does appear to be code for something.

    Finally, I proposed that asking the very fair-minded and rigorous Judge Andrew Napolitano to weigh in on the matter would be a good start. Since the good judge already writes for the site, I thought it might be relatively easy to achieve. Or is he just another one of my operatives perhaps?

    Familiarity with the sequence of events, conduct of investigations of pedophile rings in other countries (especially the dynamics of organizational responses, e.g. by the BBC and police forces in the UK) may help to focus organizational energies here.

    Go knock yourself out. It’s no skin off my nose, and I’m not stopping you. I suggest if you don’t want to see criticism of your valuable findings, just ignore my posts.

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  • This is, of course, What Trump should tell the incoming justice department to focus on.

    A few tens of thousands fired, no benefits , prosecuted and jailed would be a clearly visible drainig of the swamp.

    Who could complain?

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  • @RodW

    Pizzagate is a ‘gateway drug’ for ‘normies’ into a much bigger and wider field of elite corruption research.
     
    These polls with their vague language don't count for much, and this mass of 'research' with its scattershot accusations isn't going to persuade the majority of 'normies'.

    Let's take one example;

    More recently, a number of their employees were also recorded exploiting an adolescent boy under the approval of a company manager.
     
    What does that mean? Does that mean that ten employees took turns to bugger a five year old while a manager watched? Or does it mean that the manager agreed with the staff it was fair to ask the 16-old data input intern to wash their cars too as part of 'job experience'? Because 'exploiting an adolescent boy' could mean either of those things.

    20% or 30% of all people might get overly-stimulated by the very words "exploiting an adolescent", but the rest of us want to know the facts before we do anything else.

    I try to persuade my 80-year old father, who still enjoys the franchise, votes without fail and takes concrete action where he can, that there's more hidden evil in the world than he's led to believe by the BBC news. My father prides himself on what he believes is intellectual rigour. It makes it all the harder to persuade him that John Podesta is up to no good if you say hot dog means little boys, or DynCorp is up to no good because they exploit adolescents, wink wink.

    In this long and overwrought discussion, I've suggested two things - looking hard at the 'evidence' ourselves, and asking somebody like Judge Napolitano to evaluate the Pizzagate claims. The first suggestion was taken as trolling, and the second suggestion was ignored completely.

    So what exactly do you want to do? Keep on piling up the 'evidence' and abusing all doubters? That won't get us very far.

    My father prides himself on what he believes is intellectual rigour.

    Maybe you need to reconsider/redefine your perception/definition of rigour, Rod. Rigour Rod!!!, that is a cool nickname, isn’t it!!!

    Would you mind if I call you Rigour Rod from now on, Rigour Rod?

    A New Definition of Rigo[u]r

    There it is. Rigo[u]r is the result of work that challenges students’ thinking in new and interesting ways. It occurs when they are encouraged toward a sophisticated understanding of fundamental ideas and are driven by curiosity to discover what they don’t know. [...]

    Let us aspire to something greater than making difficult work for our students. Let’s take them to that intersection of encouragement and engagement, where they confront ideas and problems that are meaningful. Let’s stretch their thinking. Let’s unleash their sophistication. And let’s foster a love of deep knowledge.

    https://www.edutopia.org/blog/a-new-definition-of-rigor-brian-sztabnik

    I believe, investigating and debating Pizzagate “stretches” people’s thinking and broadens their horizons, Rigour Rod. That is why I encourage and participate in the Pizzagate investigation and debate.

    See, what most people associate with your type of rigour, Rigour Rod, is this:

    We don’t need no education
    We don’t need no thought control
    No dark sarcasm in the classroom
    Teachers leave them kids alone
    Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone
    [...]
    “Wrong, do it again!”
    “If you don’t eat yer meat, you can’t have any pudding[/or pizzagate]
    How can you have any pudding[/or pizzagate] if you don’t eat yer meat?”
    “You! Yes, you behind the bike sheds, stand still laddy!”

    The Japanese are a very rigours people and culture, as well, and that is probably why you feel at home there, Rigour Rod; but not all peoples and cultures are like yours, your dad’s and/or the Japanese’s, Rigour Rod.

    Much attention has been given to the rigo[u]r of the Japanese education system and workplace, both of which have certainly contributed to the country’s economic and technological growth. Japanese are expected from a young age to work hard and succeed in a highly competitive environment.

    http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/at/contemp_japan/cjp_education_02.html

    There is a mythical place, Rigour Rod, known as Silicon Valley, I believe Mr. Unz lives in that legendary place, where making mistakes and failure is not automatically punished and looked down upon, but actually often celebrated and encouraged, because it fosters innovation and progress. I know, that does not seem and sound to be very rigo[u]rous and proper, Rigour Rod, but those lads in Silicon Valley, also called “disrupters” by some, are quite successful with their approach; some even claim, believe or not, those lads have changed the world, Rigour Rod!
    People all over the world are trying to replicate this miracle known as Silicon Valley, but if you don’t have right ingredients and the rigo[u]rous and proper disrupter vibe/spirit, it won’t happen and manifest. And most don’t have or understand this Silicon Valley disrupter vibe and spirit properly; including yourself, unfortunately, Rigour Rod. But there is always hope. Hope dies last! I have hope for you and your dad, Rigour Rod, even though you are both waaaayyyy too rigo[u]rous, at the moment:

    To succeed here, one needed to tap into this vibe. Unlike the keep-your-head-down mentality of Washingtonians, strangers in Silicon Valley are inclined to interact based on a common mission to design the next great thing. [...]
    To understand what a pro-entrepreneur policy might look like, one must first understand what it means to be a tech startup. These hyper-caffeinated folks think of themselves as “great disrupters,” tearing down the establishment and building back the world in their vision.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/halsinger/2013/06/26/the-great-disrupters-of-silicon-valley/#5d4a66486916

    I understand and see the Unz Review as a journalistic extension and projection of this innovative Silicon Valley “disrupter” vibe and spirit beyond the physical/geographical borders of the Silicon Valley, Rigour Rod.

    Arigato, for your attention, Rigour Rod.

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    Re Silicon Valley,
    Ron Unz mentioned earlier that he was working on some programming or software or something.
    The comment function at this site seems to be quite a bit more sophisticated than what I have seen at other sites, with features I have not seen elsewhere.

    I am definitely an "anti-techie," so I have no idea.
    But wonder whether this comment interface or whatever it is called is a creation of our host Ron Unz.
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  • URGENT REQUEST!

    Please DO NOT RESPOND TO RodW’s TROLLING ANY FURTHER! Simply let his rantings wither on the vine. He has intentionally wasted enough bandwidth and sucked up unwarranted attention, and our gentle host Ron Unz has bidden him goodbye.

    Going forward, what would be much more helpful to advance the discussion in a positive way is to have everyone’s INSIGHTS on further lines of enquiry.

    A useful “primer” of pertinent facts and observations is found here:

    https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/

    Familiarity with the sequence of events, conduct of investigations of pedophile rings in other countries (especially the dynamics of organizational responses, e.g. by the BBC and police forces in the UK) may help to focus organizational energies here.

    We already know from RodW’s tireless effusions that
    (1) there is far too much smoke here for there to be no fire; and
    (2) possible U.S. suspects and their paid propaganda operatives here and throughout the MSM are working overtime to DISCOURAGE EVEN PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATIONS.)

    Clearly, there are many further areas that can and should be looked into.

    Thank you.

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    I agree.
    That said, what is one to make of comment 193?

    Is the author Aidan Cassiel working on part 3?

    I believe the admonition "Comments on articles more than two weeks old will be judged much more strictly on quality and tone" is designed to put a stop to snark and derision directed at other commenters, which taints any potentially useful material or ideas both the "snark shooter" puts forth.
    , @JoeLB
    I had a long reply to RodW's long reply, but I'm taking your advice.

    DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!

    Thank you, Eagle Eye.

    Joe
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  • @Erebus
    I wrote this earlier (at post #136), but was unable to publish it. It's probably obsolete now, but here it is anyway.

    Yes, but which children are you talking about? For them to have interests to put first, you have to be able to specify the children and their interests. So who are they, and what are their interests?
    If the answer is “I don’t know”, then you’ve got a major obstacle to an investigation.
     
    Utter bollocks. Similar to your "challenge" that I addressed above (http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1713738), that's another false frame. Someone "highly qualified" in "text analysis" would, of course know that, so one is (not) surprised to see you resorting to it again.
    The victim is often unknown at the start of an investigation. If a cop finds a human hand in a garbage can, he doesn't need to know the victim's identity to start an investigation. Likewise, if a couple of guys are inadvertently overheard discussing a heinous criminal act and it is reported to the police, an investigation will be opened. To be sure, the investigation would attempt, inter alia, to determine the identity of the victim(s), but even if that is never determined the investigation will normally proceed until it reaches trial, or goes cold.

    Likewise, we here at Unz don't know, and make no claims to knowing the identities of the victims. Indeed, depending on the nature of the possible crimes, they may never be known.
    As for "their interests", surely these would include not being sexually, or otherwise abused.
    As others have pointed out, the state also has interests in this case. Inter alia, they include knowing that the persons entrusted with making decisions and acting on its behalf are not criminals or vulnerable to extraordinary influence from parties hostile to the state's function and well-being.

    OTOH, we do have a public claim from a high profile source that the NYPD and the FBI are in possession of evidence of "great evil" in high places, including sexual abuse of children.
    Neither of those agencies have denied his claims, much less demanded that Prince retract his statements. Nobody has brought a libel suit against him, and Prince would know that his statements are libelous in the extreme if they were false. Ergo, the claim stands.
    Depending on the nature of the evidence, we may never learn the identities of the victims, but we may well learn the identities of the perpetrators and the nature of their crimes against both the victims and against the state. That is enough to proceed, no?

    What I, and I believe others, here at Unz are saying is that the evidence that is apparently in hand must not be allowed to moulder on the shelf until forgotten or destroyed, but to become the basis of a real, immediate investigation.
    Thanks to Wikileaks, we have the "Pizza codes" serving as a dimly recognized public tip protruding from what appears, as evidenced from a variety of sources, to be a fetid swamp of the most heinous corruption at the highest levels. That's why we can talk about it at all.

    @BucephalusXYZ

    There seems to be some confusion about what evidence is. Let’s address the matter.

    In response to my key objection that the evidence of actual victims is very thin (consisting principally of poor Maddie McCann as far I can tell), Erebus says;

    The victim is often unknown at the start of an investigation. If a cop finds a human hand in a garbage can, he doesn’t need to know the victim’s identity to start an investigation. Likewise, if a couple of guys are inadvertently overheard discussing a heinous criminal act and it is reported to the police, an investigation will be opened. To be sure, the investigation would attempt, inter alia, to determine the identity of the victim(s), but even if that is never determined the investigation will normally proceed until it reaches trial, or goes cold.

    A human hand in a garbage can is what’s called ‘physical evidence’, or more tellingly perhaps, ‘real evidence’. The hand alone powerfully suggests what’s called ‘foul play’. There’s due cause for concern about the health and well-being of the person who used to be attached to the hand. One could easily posit that a crime has been committed.

    If we overheard talk of a heinous crime, we would know it was heinous because the words themselves would suggest heinousness – things like “burnt”, “crushed”, “ripped apart”, “greetin’”, “jailbait” etc. I expect you have your own favourites. These are NOT everyday expressions that are open to much confusion. We’d know its heinousness by its name (a rather powerful evidentiary concept, no?) Again, we would naturally have concern for the victim or victims.

    In these examples, there’s little room for doubt about foul play, and the existence of victims. It’s all very prima facie as we’d say if we thought using dead language was helpful. If we were to investigate further, in the first case we’d do DNA testing of the hand, search for human and camera witnesses to the crime, look for bodies missing a hand. In the second case, we’d interview the thugs and so on.

    Contrast this with Pizzagate. One has to put ‘evidence’ in parenthesis because there isn’t any. There’s no real evidence, only the claim that commonly used words for food don’t mean what they normally mean. When each example is examined in context, its validity as supporting evidence of the claim falls apart. Just because there’s lots of it doesn’t increase its validity, when each example falls apart on inspection. The only victims suggested by this ‘evidence’ are the unfortunate pigs, cows and chickens who provided the meat.

    It may be argued that it’s not just words, there are the efits. But those are of one man, not two, and before they were said to be the spitting image of the Podestas, they were said with equal validity to be the spitting image of Maddie’s father. Not very good evidence of much.

    So what kind of ‘investigation’ could we have based on this ‘evidence’? Maybe waterboard John and Tony Podesta? Perhaps dig around some pizzerias with a big spade? Or maybe pay some of our hottest ‘internet citizen sleuths’ to stay up even later at night to comb the Web even more thoroughly until it all becomes clear. Seriously, what do you want? Where would you start? What is your hypothesis?

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  • @JoeLB
    So your conclusion is that this handkerchief is some promotional item from a pizza joint?

    OK, then there should be plenty of them floating around DC. In fact, with all of the notoriety this situation has stirred up, there should be dozens and dozens of photos on the Internet of this promotional pizza handkerchief.

    There isn't one. Not one single photo of this handkerchief you say was handed out by a pizza joint as a promotional item. Doesn't it seem odd to you that this entire thing could be put to rest by one person (such as the owner of said pizza joint) coming forward with this promotional pizza hanky? That would be it! End of "pizzagate". But it hasn't happened. Gee, I wonder why?

    You know why there isn't and won't be? Because it's BULLSHIT, that's why.

    Nice try, though, but next time, try to consider the utter ridiculousness of a restaurant that serves slightly messy finger foods to children handing out handkerchiefs as a promotional item. Perhaps next time you won't look so...foolish.

    OK, then there should be plenty of them floating around DC. In fact, with all of the notoriety this situation has stirred up, there should be dozens and dozens of photos on the Internet of this promotional pizza handkerchief.

    It may come as news to you, but a very large segment of the analogue world never makes it onto the Web. The internet isn’t an exhaustive catalogue of reality. And since Pizzagate ‘investigators’ are clearly people who rely entirely on the web for their ‘evidence’, they’re never going to be able to falsify the claims of debunkers who use logic.

    Let’s use some now.

    Doesn’t it seem odd to you that this entire thing could be put to rest by one person (such as the owner of said pizza joint) coming forward with this promotional pizza hanky? That would be it! End of “pizzagate”. But it hasn’t happened. Gee, I wonder why?

    Well, I can assume from this that you’ve never run a business yourself. I myself run several, so I can tell you that anyone who wants to enjoy their life and make some honest money wouldn’t step right into the middle of a frenzy of loonies and announce “That’s actually my hanky! The one all the paedophiles use as code! They like my pizza joint! It’s great, here’s the map to it! We serve chicken too, if you don’t like pizza!”. Do you think you can possibly stop wondering about that now?

    Nice try, though, but next time, try to consider the utter ridiculousness of a restaurant that serves slightly messy finger foods to children handing out handkerchiefs as a promotional item. Perhaps next time you won’t look so…foolish.

    As I mentioned, there’s lots of stuff that doesn’t make it onto the web, and one possible reason this hanky hasn’t is that it’s one of very few such hankies. Again, my experience in business has exposed me to many kinds of business promotion, and a one-time small run of say 50 promotional handkerchiefs for a local pizzeria doesn’t seem implausible. It’s a much simpler explanation than that ‘pizza’ means ‘small child for sexual uses’, that there are tens or maybe hundreds of abused and even dead children who have yet to be found, and that these children are suffering even as we speak. Have you heard of Occam’s Razor?

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  • @Skeptikal
    It has been educational to see the troll tips and tricks in action and to see others deconstructing them, so one must be grateful (in a way) to RodW for providing this opportunity.

    One can encounter these "trollish" gambits in social situations, too, where they are a lot harder to call out. Some people just like to debunk---and some of these debunkers are sincere, even though they end up acting just like trolls and having the exact same effect of totally taking over and wrecking productive discussions (and also being quite rude and derisory and sure that they are right). It is complicated when, say, your brother-in-law acts just like a troll in a conversation around the dinner table!

    But as for this kind of forum, I think the troll tips list is really handy for developing a more effective and focused "troll patrol" (more poesy).

    Good morning everybody. It’s a long weekend here in Japan, and so I have time to address some of the posts directed at me. The notion that I’d left the forum was mistaken. Let’s start with Skeptikal.

    You’re the troll. Let’s call you an ‘anti-troll troll’, possibly a species of the genus ‘concern troll’. You’ve posted reams of stuff that’s totally irrelevant to the topic (i.e., unproductive), while praising Unz.com for its productiveness. Nice try, as we like to say here. You also display the personal hatefulness typical of trolls.

    I’m also accused of being several posters (I’m not). A strong but probably incorrect case could also be made for positing that Skeptikal, NoseytheDuke, Eagle Eye, and JoeLB are all the same 20-something girl.

    Now onto matters of more substance.

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  • I agree. Although RodW hopefully has been seen off he did succeed somewhat in creating a distraction which could be off-putting especially to newcomers to the site.

    I’d like to see a “Possible trolling warning”‘ precursor to posts appearing at the top the way other existing admonishments are shown. Perhaps it could be followed by “2nd Warning” etc and include a link to an abridged version of the info on tips on how to identify and deal with a troll.

    This would serve both to educate and possibly immunise everyone on here but also diminish the credibility and enthusiasm of those who persist.

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