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    Although my main academic focus was theoretical physics, I always had a very strong interest in history as well, especially that of the Classical Era. Trying to extract the true pattern of events from a collection of source material that was often fragmentary, unreliable, and contradictory was a challenging intellectual exercise, testing my analytical ability....
  • @Anon
    Repeat repeat repeat.

    Butler spent his life in the army, was promoted to general spent his career in wars for capitalists

    And then when he retired on a generous pension he repents. If the wars he led were so bad, why didn’t he resign at the beginning of his career? You seem to be very anti war. Why all this praise for a general?

    And then when he retired on a generous pension he repents. If the wars he led were so bad, why didn’t he resign at the beginning of his career? You seem to be very anti war. Why all this praise for a general?

    We are all naive when we are young. We learn from experience. Butler tried to tell people what it was like, and they didn’t listen.

    But the point here is not whether Butler was good or bad. He was a prominent anti-war Republican who died suddenly three days before the Republican Convention of 1940. His voice was silent when Democrat interventionist Wilkie parachuted into the Republican nomination. His should be added to the list of suspicious deaths.

    Eisenhower was another parachuted interventionist Democrat. James Roosevelt (FDR’s son: later a congressman) organized a draft Eisenhower movement for the 1948 Democratic nomination. According to insiders Eisenhower wanted to run as a Democrat again in 1952. However Adelai Stevenson had strong support within the party, and a fight over the nomination would split the party and lose the election. Instead Eisenhower joined the Republican Party, and some Democratic party workers gave voters instructions on how to split their tickets.

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    I’m sure he didn’t know what he was getting into when he joined the military. But surely when he realized he was nothing but a bill collector for the banks he could have quit as a major or colonel

    Those loans he was collecting in Nicaragua Haiti and the rest were stolen by the Nicaraguan Haitian elite and not used for infrastructure anyway.

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  • @Sean
    Writing books proves nothing. If you want to know where Butler stood, look at what he did when he had some power. What people, like Trotsky for instance, did is the thing, not their theories. It has been noted that Mark Lane played a part in the Jonestown tragedy.

    Writing books proves nothing. If you want to know where Butler stood, look at what he did when he had some power. What people, like Trotsky for instance, did is the thing, not their theories.

    It doesn’t seem as if you know anything about Gen. Butler. He never had power. An older person I knew who was politically active in the 1930s and 40s once told me about a conspiracy to overthrow the US government run by a group called the Liberty Lobby (not to be confused with the postwar organization of the same name). I was never fond of conspiracy theories, but years later I checked this one out.

    Butler became widely known and popular for his public support for the veterans bonus marchers in 1932. He was present when Gen. MacArthur ordered the cavalry to attack the assembled demonstrators, and he declared himself a “Hoover-for-Ex-President-Republican“. Apparently the Liberty Lobby foolishly attempted to recruit Butler as a front man and dictator.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler:

    He became widely known for his outspoken lectures against war profiteering, U.S. military adventurism, and what he viewed as nascent fascism in the United States.

    He died suddenly during the 1940 Republican convention.

    His book can be read online:

    https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

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    "He never had power."

    You mean he never had political power. You can't say a "Brigadier General - America's most decorated soldier" never had power.

    In fact, it's because he had power, prestige, credibility that he was invited to lead a "fascist corporate plot to seize the white house", according to the mainstream historians, which means, it's a probably a lie. Not the plot, but what one reads about the conspirators and their motives.

    Knowing that the "fascists" were already in the white house, maybe those "fascists" preparing the coup weren't so bad.

    With benefit of hindsight one can say it was probably the last opportunity to destroy the "corrupt military industrial complex" that Smedley D. Bustler served for many years.

    MIC that he realized later was the main problem and that it must be destroyed.

    Unfortunately for America and the world, the man was naîve. He didn't know that those dark forces that control America didn't believe in Democracy and can't be destroyed through the ballot box.

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  • This fascinating account documented the long-hidden early 1940s campaign by British intelligence agents to remove all domestic political obstacles to America’s entry into World War II. A crucial aspect of that project involved the successful attempt to manipulate the Republican Convention of 1940

    Another well-known anti-war patriot who died suddenly at that time was Marine Corps General Smedley Butler. While wikipedia does not indicate anything suspicious, it is noteworthy that he suddenly came down with a suspected cancer in June of 1940. He died on June 21 in the Naval Hospital in Philadelphia. I have met many people who thought his death was suspicious. His 1935 book War is a Racket leaves no doubt which side he was on.

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    Writing books proves nothing. If you want to know where Butler stood, look at what he did when he had some power. What people, like Trotsky for instance, did is the thing, not their theories. It has been noted that Mark Lane played a part in the Jonestown tragedy.
    , @Anon
    Excellent point. Smedley spent his life in the military and rose to be General. When comfortably retired on his military pension he wrote a book denouncing the military as a tool of bankers and imperialists.

    There’s an old French saying Don’t listen to what he says. Look at what he does.
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  • As we all know Alexander Litvinenko was poisoned by polonium, a rare radioactive substance. The main narrative blamed it all on Vladimir Putin of Russia. The rationale rested on little other than because Litvinenko was a Putin critic. This was the quick line in mass media, and it was on all the typical war propaganda...
  • @Rev. Spooner
    I hate Zionists ( is generalizing OK in this case?) and I dont like being played for a fool. The two links provided in this passage which is pasted below are bogus. So how do I judge your article? If you think people won't click on links to verify, you are an idiot.
    From the above article;

    Well first off these “Russian” oligarchs are primarily Zionist Israeli-Russians who acquired much of their wealth and techniques from the Israeli Mossad agent Marc Rich. Secondly they have business relationships with the Bush administration. The Israeli-Russian Oligarch Khodorkosky had dealings with Cheney, the Carlyle group, and with UNACOL. Boris Berezovsky is a business partner with none other than President Bush’s brother Neil Bush.
    Go to 'Marc Rich' and ' Israeli-Russian' both are live links in the above article and they take you to some shit Nazi site that wants you to register.

    I hate Zionists ( is generalizing OK in this case?) and I dont like being played for a fool. The two links provided in this passage which is pasted below are bogus. So how do I judge your article? If you think people won’t click on links to verify, you are an idiot.

    The first link (Marc Rich) appears to be dead, but the second (Israeli-Russian) is working, and it does discuss Mark Rich. I do not vouch for the source (www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/) however.

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  • A strong dam may hold back an immense quantity of water, but once it breaks the resulting flood may sweep aside everything in its path. I had spent nearly my entire life never doubting that a lone gunman named Lee Harvey Oswald killed President John F. Kennedy nor that a different lone gunman took the...
  • @Skeptikal
    I guess I take your point.
    Although if one wasn't the actual perp, how would one recognize the "false narrative" as false?
    Of course, in this case the official narrative is so absurd that it is obvious that it is a false narrative.
    And therefore, one would think, that much harder to maintain . . .

    Actually, though, I do think that in a sense they were "all" in on it. That is, not "all" people iwth an ax to grind with Kennedy, but a few pivotal figures who could count on silent support from many other very influential people who would be better off if that "son of a bitch" Jack Kennedy were removed from the earth.
    1. Because the interests of the prime suspects who have identifiable motivation overlap in so many ways. This I feel is the value of Douglass's book, JFK and the Unspeakable: he maps out the big picture following the end of WW2, which really wasn't that far in the past. And in so doing he shows how many of the threads of hatred of Kennedy actually were intertwined. This makes it harder to figure out who is "the single plotter," but easier to imagine the outlines of a broader conspiracy where a few pivotal players know that others, even if not actively involved, will be delighted if the murder is pulled off and will help in any cover-up.
    2. Because it seems credible and likely to me that different players (Texas pols/CIA/French mob/Israel) were active on different layers of the event, depending on their area of expertise and control. For just one example, I would think that whoever organized and put in place the actual shooters probably was not the same person who was able to order that the corpse be spirited away for a "makeover" before the official autopsy. There has to have been someone within the Dallas Police Department who was getting orders from someone, but would that DP guy have known the actual outlines of the whole conspiracy and who is in the next layer or two layers above? I bet the answer is no. There had to be a mastermind of some kind coordinating the field maneuvers, even if that entity was not the origin of the plot. But I bet the thing was set up with a cell structure that would allow deniability for the grunts on the ground.

    I think Ron is right: this thing wasn't put together by a bunch mob rubes who could maybe organize a simple ambush of an enemy, but not such a complex operation as this. The cover-up and competence to monitor potential witnesses and, over a multi-year time span, to eliminate them suddenly when it became necessary seems to me like another significant piece of evidence. Who had this capability, combining both surveillance or humint on hundreds of individuals with the competence to administer accidental death quickly via "heart attack" etc.?

    Who had this capability, combining both surveillance or humint on hundreds of individuals with the competence to administer accidental death quickly via “heart attack” etc.?

    Eisenhower. The deep state was divided in its loyalty. Some refused to accept Kennedy was legally elected. They claimed the 22nd amendment was not valid. Johnson was Eisenhower’s plan B for remaining in power.

    I heard this kind of talk along with the words “treason” and “communist” a lot in 1962-63. One CIA employee claimed that evolution was a communist propaganda, and when I suggested to him that Kennedy probably believed in evolution he promised he would find out. If Kennedy believed in evolution, then he was a communist, and they would “do something” about it.

    I asked him what they going to do, and he said “With fifty armed men on drugs, we can change the government.

    Possibly the 50 armed men on drugs could have been Eisenhower’s secret service detail which was equal in size to Kennedy’s.

    This CIA employee drugged me many times, starting at the age of 11. His favorite drug was scopolamine. Now scopolamine is commonly prescribed for seasickness, but it has many uses. It induces amnesia. It can also put people into a zombie-like state where they will do whatever they are told and not remember it later. It is hard to believe how dangerous this drug is unless you have experienced it.

    This man’s picture is in Piper’s book. His alias in Dallas was Guy Bannister.

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  • @CanSpeccy

    The Zapruda film reveals in clarity the direct frontal bullet catapaulting Kennedy’s head backwards and a spray of blood coming out. Fake that.
     
    Yes, and the long-delayed testimony of the doctors and trauma surgeons who attended on Kennedy at the Parkland Hospital confirms, without room for doubt, that the fatal head shot came not from behind the President, i.e., from the Texas School Book Depository, where Oswald was supposed to have been shooting, but from in front of him.

    Yes, and the long-delayed testimony of the doctors and trauma surgeons who attended on Kennedy at the Parkland Hospital confirms, without room for doubt, that the fatal head shot came not from behind the President, i.e., from the Texas School Book Depository, where Oswald was supposed to have been shooting, but from in front of him.

    Agree that the Zapruder film shows the fatal head shot from the front, but the doctor’s testimony is also important. If you look carefully at the Z. film you will see the President turn and duck to his left after he is shot in the neck. His wife grasps his left arm firmly with both her hands and pushes the President away until the President’s head is blown off.

    Apparently there was another film, a 16mm one, that has been kept secret. That shows things more clearly especially the complicity of the Secret Service.

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    Agree that the Zapruder film shows the fatal head shot from the front, but the doctor’s testimony is also important.
     
    The interpretation is not obvious unless you are an expert in forensic ballistics. The doctors all believed that the shot came from the front - the wound at the back was larger, a typical feature of exit wounds. However, the HSCA found that the beveling on the holes in the skull indicated a shot from the rear.

    Comments 207 and 309 by lysias on part II of the story suggest that the Bethesda autopsy was a fraud, meant to conceal the fact that JFK was shot from the front.
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  • @Hu Mi Yu

    The people who forged the Zapruder film
     
    I don't think the Zapruder film was forged. It was just unexpected, and it was a problem for the coverup. The poor quality of the 8mm format reveals little, and it can mask edits.

    The Zapruda film reveals in clarity the direct frontal bullet catapaulting Kennedy’s head backwards and a spray of blood coming out. Fake that.

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    • Replies: @CanSpeccy

    The Zapruda film reveals in clarity the direct frontal bullet catapaulting Kennedy’s head backwards and a spray of blood coming out. Fake that.
     
    Yes, and the long-delayed testimony of the doctors and trauma surgeons who attended on Kennedy at the Parkland Hospital confirms, without room for doubt, that the fatal head shot came not from behind the President, i.e., from the Texas School Book Depository, where Oswald was supposed to have been shooting, but from in front of him.
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  • @Iris
    The people who forged the Zapruder film could not have imagined the fantastic technological progress that occurred over the last decades. The forgeries in the assassination graphical records would be detected easily if the evidence was made available to researchers, which is why it is not.

    The people who forged the Zapruder film

    I don’t think the Zapruder film was forged. It was just unexpected, and it was a problem for the coverup. The poor quality of the 8mm format reveals little, and it can mask edits.

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    The Zapruda film reveals in clarity the direct frontal bullet catapaulting Kennedy's head backwards and a spray of blood coming out. Fake that.
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  • A strong dam may hold back an immense quantity of water, but once it breaks the resulting flood may sweep aside everything in its path. I had spent nearly my entire life never doubting that a lone gunman named Lee Harvey Oswald killed President John F. Kennedy nor that a different lone gunman took the...
  • @prusmc
    I thought JFK was President when Diem was killed?

    I thought JFK was President when Diem was killed?

    He was. Diem was overthrown on Nov 1, 1963, and he was killed a day or two later. JFK came on TV in an unannounced live broadcast to confess complicity saying: “The CIA exceeded my instructions.

    If you sift carefully through newspapers for early November you will surely find some mention of this.

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  • @Iris
    "do you have a reference to a credible analysis of the Zapruder film"

    The gap in the Zapruder film is potentially very significant: did the presidential limousine slow down, stall or stop when entering Elm Street?
    This question matters: a stop would prove the conspiracy, as it would have allowed the killers to adjust their line of fire

    - "Believer" author Max Holland ("Blind over Cuba: The Photo Gap and the Missile Crisis") states that A. Zapruder stopped filming to save film. There is no mention of that in the Warren Commission records.

    - "Conspirationist" authors H. Livingstone (The Hoax of the Century) and James Fetzer (The Great Zapruder Hoax) consider the Zapruder film made available to the press, then to the public, as a hoax and a forgery.

    - The film's chain of custody is described in this politically-correct documentary, which is still worth watching.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyUqq-4vQMo

    The way the film would have been processed and sold by Zapruder, with only light control from the authorities, while the inquiry was still on-going, simply beggars belief.

    This Zapruder film is not the same film shown on local TV in Los Angeles a few days after the assassination. The film I saw looked like 16mm film shot through a telephoto lens from further down toward the overpass.

    I saw the Life magazine with the black-and-white stills in November 1963. I decided not to buy it. I felt the stills did not correspond to the film I had seen on TV. Too much was left out.

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    The people who forged the Zapruder film could not have imagined the fantastic technological progress that occurred over the last decades. The forgeries in the assassination graphical records would be detected easily if the evidence was made available to researchers, which is why it is not.
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  • @Hu Mi Yu

    -The Zapruder film shows JFK being violently thrown to his left and rear by the fatal head shot. Incredibly, this film was kept under wraps for 12 YEARS. IMO the WCR would have been a joke if the film had been available to the public when it was released.
     
    It was shown twice on Los Angeles TV station KCOP before being sent in for evidence. The Hollywood people who developed it were so shocked they wanted the public to view it before the government could edit it. Which they did.

    What I saw in the original implicated the secret service and the President's wife. They came to a pre-apointed spot and jammed on the brakes so hard the you could see under-sprung Lincoln rocking back and forth. The drivers stared straight ahead while at least three shots are fired. The only person who turned around was Governor Connally. He was immediately shot and ducked under the seat. The passengers were under instructions not to turn around and look.

    The first shot struck the President in the throat from the rear. He tried to duck, but his wife Jackie held him up poised like a statue for the fatal shot from the front. To understand how they turned Jackie you need to check out old newspapers from 1963. The President's affair with Marilyn Monroe was front page news. A Catholic divorce was impossible; marriage was "until death do us part." According to one of the conspirators all Jackie wanted was another husband even richer than JFK.

    It was shown twice on Los Angeles TV station KCOP before being sent in for evidence.

    I remember the announcer as George Putnam. I am not sure of the station. Putnam moved around between all of the local LA TV stations. The last I saw of him he was on KCOP.

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  • Anybody get the sense that Hasbara, or whatever organized entity wants to derail conspiracy theories, is out to win this tread through attrition — simply outlasting everyone else?

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    • Agree: Hu Mi Yu
    • Replies: @Iris
    "Anybody get the sense that Hasbara is out to win this tread through attrition — simply outlasting everyone else?"

    Don't be jealous :-) :-)
    You have to recognise their formidable talents: ubiquity, reincarnation under a choice of exotic monikers , elegant and frequent elusion under the "anon" shroud, constantly winding up naïve commentators, being able to talk to themselves, to argue with themselves, to defend one argument and its contrary !!!

    ...And last but not least, what I envy most, they don't seem to need having a job.....

    , @L.K

    Anybody get the sense that Hasbara, or whatever organized entity wants to derail conspiracy theories, is out to win this tread through attrition — simply outlasting everyone else?
     
    Yep.

    An example of this is the Troll 'Wizard of Oz', aka 'wizard of imbecility', one of the most pathetic of the many Zionist/neocon style shills to pollute the comment sections of Unz's Webzine.
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  • @Anon
    Earl Warren, a wonderful man who engineered the shipping of the west coast Japanese to concentration camps during WW2 and committed the greatest evil since a Dutch captain sent a load of Angolan Africans ashore in Jamestown 1619.

    He desegregated the schools, by doing so he destroyed our greatest cities and subjected millions of White children to 12 years of hell and horror.

    You mean that Earl Warren???????

    May he burn in hell forever and ever amen.

    Earl Warren, a wonderful man who engineered the shipping of the west coast Japanese to concentration camps during WW2 and committed the greatest evil since a Dutch captain sent a load of Angolan Africans ashore in Jamestown 1619.

    He resisted pressure from the Federal government for a time but eventually caved in and allowed the internment. He wasn’t happy about it. It was a violation of their rights, but the USA was a wartime military dictatorship at the time.

    If you visit Tule Lake and look carefully you will find there was also a camp for Germans. It is odd to see the locals turning the Japanese into martyred “people of color.” They were not black, they were not enslaved, they endured their hardship with dignity and survived to tell about it.

    He desegregated the schools, by doing so he destroyed our greatest cities and subjected millions of White children to 12 years of hell and horror.

    Black and white mean something different in California than in the rest of the country. There are many misunderstandings on all sides. Some people you would consider black, I would consider white.

    You mean that Earl Warren???????

    Yup. He also had his name attached to official investigation into the JFK assassination. He didn’t believe his own report.

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  • @Sparkon
    Good article by Ron Unz, but much disinformation is being peddled in the comments here, like Hu Mi Yu's contention:

    The first shot struck the President in the throat from the rear.
     
    Sure, we know already that some of JFK's assassins were firing Magic Bullets that day, which were seemingly capable of fantastic twists and turns, even the midair U-turn necessary to shoot someone in the throat with a bullet fired from the rear.

    In Ike Altgen's famous photograph, JFK can be seen clutching at his throat. The throat wound was described at Parkland as a wound of entry.

    When JFK was brought to trauma room one in Parkland Hospital, the attending surgeon identified the wound as a wound of entry [...] The president was still alive and efforts were being made to save him so a tracheotomy was made. The doctors used the wound of entry and enlarged it so a tube could be inserted.

    Dr. Robert N. McClelland, a Parkland surgeon on duty that day, was in trauma room one and was asked to assist with the tracheotomy. As he assisted, he came behind the president, behind his head, and he announced to the other doctors present that there was a wound of exit at the back of his head. McClelland was 18 inches away from the president's head for a good seven to eight minutes.

    For further evidence, we need go no further than two motorcycle officers that were riding in the left rear behind the presidential vehicle. Both motorcycle officers were splattered with brain tissue. One officer, Bobby Hargis, was struck so hard that he thought that he had been hit with a bullet on that day. Pieces of the president's skull were found in the left rear. This nullifies the concept that Kennedy's head was moving towards a shooter.
     
    https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy

    JFK's public execution was rendered in a crossfire. What was apparently the first shot hit Kennedy in the throat, and had to have been fired from a position in front of the motorcade.

    Good article by Ron Unz, but much disinformation is being peddled in the comments here, like Hu Mi Yu’s contention:

    The first shot struck the President in the throat from the rear.

    I am just reporting what I saw. I watched the original film on a black-and-white TV, and there was no sound. I can’ t say it was the first shot, only the first shot with visible results in the footage.

    Sure, we know already that some of JFK’s assassins were firing Magic Bullets that day, which were seemingly capable of fantastic twists and turns, even the midair U-turn necessary to shoot someone in the throat with a bullet fired from the rear.

    Even Earl Warren didn’t believe in the magic bullet. He died while writing his memoirs: just as he was getting to the Warren Commission report. As best I remember the final ghostwritten chapter opens with Earl Warren would have been shocked to know that anyone would question his report.

    Note the sarcastic reference to the movie Casablanca.

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    Earl Warren, a wonderful man who engineered the shipping of the west coast Japanese to concentration camps during WW2 and committed the greatest evil since a Dutch captain sent a load of Angolan Africans ashore in Jamestown 1619.

    He desegregated the schools, by doing so he destroyed our greatest cities and subjected millions of White children to 12 years of hell and horror.

    You mean that Earl Warren???????

    May he burn in hell forever and ever amen.
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  • @James Kabala
    Actually the key part of the film (except for the direct shot to the head, which was deleted as you note) appeared in Life in the very next issue after the assassination. But it did not air on TV at the time - not the complete version and not the censored version either.

    1975 was the first nationwide television broadcast of the film (and without cuts).

    But it did not air on TV at the time – not the complete version and not the censored version either.

    Incorrect. It was aired on the unaffiliated local TV station KCOP in Los Angeles before the government received it.

    1975 was the first nationwide television broadcast of the film (and without cuts).

    Probably correct, but I did not view it at that time. I can’t say if there were cuts.

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  • @Peripatetic commenter

    The limo was travelling at only about 11 mph.
     
    That is 5 yards per second moving away and a slightly transversely.

    Maybe he was trained in the USSR to shoot at moving targets, but I don't think his Marine Corps training had any of that.

    The limo was travelling at only about 11 mph.

    That is 5 yards per second moving away and a slightly transversely.

    The limo came to a full stop for the shooting, then it sped away.

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  • @Anon
    Bravo, Ron. I have followed a path similar to yours--from ignorant (or perhaps lazy) acceptance of the WCR to total rejection.

    Anyone who starts to examine the facts in the most cursory manner is quickly overwhelmed by the numerous things that just don't make sense. Here are a few off the top:

    - The limousine in which JFK was riding, the principal "crime scene," was immediately shipped off to Detroit, where it was cleaned up and renovated. This was done by the FBI which had to be acting on the instructions or at least with the approval of LBJ.

    - The doctors and nurses at Parkland Hospital, where JFK was taken, uniformly said that the back of his skull was missing and that the wound on his throat was a small entrance wound. Jackie reached backward onto the trunk of the car to retrieve pieces of JFK's skull/brains. This could not have happened from shots fired from the rear (the Book Depository Building).

    - Abraham Zapruder, who was standing in front of the grassy knoll when he took his famous film clip, said that the shots seemed to come from behind him, as did other witnesses who were in the same area. The WC ignored or rejected their testimony.

    -The Zapruder film shows JFK being violently thrown to his left and rear by the fatal head shot. Incredibly, this film was kept under wraps for 12 YEARS. IMO the WCR would have been a joke if the film had been available to the public when it was released.

    I prefer to deal in facts, not labels like "conspiracy."

    -The Zapruder film shows JFK being violently thrown to his left and rear by the fatal head shot. Incredibly, this film was kept under wraps for 12 YEARS. IMO the WCR would have been a joke if the film had been available to the public when it was released.

    It was shown twice on Los Angeles TV station KCOP before being sent in for evidence. The Hollywood people who developed it were so shocked they wanted the public to view it before the government could edit it. Which they did.

    What I saw in the original implicated the secret service and the President’s wife. They came to a pre-apointed spot and jammed on the brakes so hard the you could see under-sprung Lincoln rocking back and forth. The drivers stared straight ahead while at least three shots are fired. The only person who turned around was Governor Connally. He was immediately shot and ducked under the seat. The passengers were under instructions not to turn around and look.

    The first shot struck the President in the throat from the rear. He tried to duck, but his wife Jackie held him up poised like a statue for the fatal shot from the front. To understand how they turned Jackie you need to check out old newspapers from 1963. The President’s affair with Marilyn Monroe was front page news. A Catholic divorce was impossible; marriage was “until death do us part.” According to one of the conspirators all Jackie wanted was another husband even richer than JFK.

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    Really!!! And here I thought the second husband Onassis acted alone without Jackie’s knowledge. Now we know why she consented to go to Texas with him.

    The drs at the Dallas hospital had to unwrap a complicated hip and back brace. Some say it was the back brace that held him up. You say Jackie held him up. Very interesting

    Some say she and Onassis got engaged September 1963 2 months before Kennedy died. Onassis was a guest in the White House during the body viewing funeral and until she moved out.

    5 pregnancies, 2 miscarriages and 1 premature baby who died a few days after birth; all due to JFK’s incurable chronic chalymadia and other chronic STDs that he passed on to his wife.

    Have you heard about the retired Australian cop who claims the secret service driver of the car turned around and fired the head shot ?

    If the driver stopped the car that would disprove the endless theories that Oswald couldn’t shoot a moving target.

    If Oswald couldn’t shoot the moving target, how could the grassy knoll overpass and numerous other shooters hit the moving target?
    , @prusmc
    This is the kind of post the MAN wants to keep from being brought to public attention. Kind of explains why files are still classified.
    , @Sparkon
    Good article by Ron Unz, but much disinformation is being peddled in the comments here, like Hu Mi Yu's contention:

    The first shot struck the President in the throat from the rear.
     
    Sure, we know already that some of JFK's assassins were firing Magic Bullets that day, which were seemingly capable of fantastic twists and turns, even the midair U-turn necessary to shoot someone in the throat with a bullet fired from the rear.

    In Ike Altgen's famous photograph, JFK can be seen clutching at his throat. The throat wound was described at Parkland as a wound of entry.

    When JFK was brought to trauma room one in Parkland Hospital, the attending surgeon identified the wound as a wound of entry [...] The president was still alive and efforts were being made to save him so a tracheotomy was made. The doctors used the wound of entry and enlarged it so a tube could be inserted.

    Dr. Robert N. McClelland, a Parkland surgeon on duty that day, was in trauma room one and was asked to assist with the tracheotomy. As he assisted, he came behind the president, behind his head, and he announced to the other doctors present that there was a wound of exit at the back of his head. McClelland was 18 inches away from the president's head for a good seven to eight minutes.

    For further evidence, we need go no further than two motorcycle officers that were riding in the left rear behind the presidential vehicle. Both motorcycle officers were splattered with brain tissue. One officer, Bobby Hargis, was struck so hard that he thought that he had been hit with a bullet on that day. Pieces of the president's skull were found in the left rear. This nullifies the concept that Kennedy's head was moving towards a shooter.
     
    https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy

    JFK's public execution was rendered in a crossfire. What was apparently the first shot hit Kennedy in the throat, and had to have been fired from a position in front of the motorcade.
    , @Hu Mi Yu

    It was shown twice on Los Angeles TV station KCOP before being sent in for evidence.
     
    I remember the announcer as George Putnam. I am not sure of the station. Putnam moved around between all of the local LA TV stations. The last I saw of him he was on KCOP.
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  • For many years I maintained far too many magazine subscriptions, more periodicals than I could possibly read or even skim, so most weeks they went straight into storage, with scarcely more than a glance at the cover. But every now and then, I might casually browse one of them, curious about what I had usually...
  • @j2
    The swastika of the Finnish air forces (still used by the air force school) was not a mirror image. It was the same way as the Nazi swastika but standing on one leg (45 degrees turned, but Germans also used it that way sometimes). It was painted in blue on a plane from von Rosen and was a known good luck symbol with Aryan (Indo-European) associations. The swastika in Finnish medals (still used) is from Gallen-Kallela, a Finnish national romantic painter, much before Nazis. The plane was obtained in 1918. Hitler designed the Nazi swastika 1920. But von Rosen founded the Swedish Nazi party later and his sister married Göring, so finally this swastika goes to the same Aryan thinking of that time (but not for Finns). The planes with blue swastikas on wings were Finnish, Nazi planes had a black double cross and only a small swastika in the tail. It should have been very easy to distinguish the planes. Finns were not Nazis during the war and protected Finnish Jews, who also fought in the Finnish army against the Soviet Union. Finns handed over Jewish war prisoners (some 100) to Germans (and were given Finnish-origin POWs by Germans), but they were not killed in German POW camps in Lapland during the war. It is not known what happened to them, probably they were taken to Norway when Germans withdrew.

    OK the swastika on Finnish airplanes is not a mirror image. That misconception came from a Russian joke told to me by an older German friend who survived WWII as a teenager. I will not repeat it here.

    The Finnish swastika is not a political symbol. It may appear on a few medals, but it wasn’t worn in daily life as it often was in Germany.

    The reason I am trying to make this point is that so many people have a knee-jerk reaction to this very simple symbol that actually has many possible meanings. I recall one Navy “intelligence” simpleton explaining about WWII this way:

    Of course you know Finns are Nazis. They use a swasika and everything. The Swiss are Nazis too, because they fired on our planes when we tried to bomb Germany. They tried to say it was part of Swizerland, but you shoulda seen that border. There was no way the border coulda been that crooked. We couldn’ta done our jobs, if it was that crooked.

    Such were the opinions of the deep state alcoholics and amphetamine addicts who held me prisoner with drugs for fifty years. They also claimed I was a Dr. Mengele produced clone of the secret Nazi King of Bavaria. Somehow I managed to outlive them, and the drugs wore off.

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  • The February mass shooting at a high school in Parkland, Florida prompted many parents to consider homeschooling. This is hardly surprising, as the misnamed federal “Gun-Free Schools” law leaves schoolchildren defenseless against mass shooters. Removing one’s children from government schools seems a rational response to school shootings.School shootings are not the only form of violence...
  • Many parents are motivated by a desire to give their children something better than a curriculum that has been dumbed down by federal initiatives like Common Core. Other parents do not wish to have their children indoctrinated with views that contradict the parents’ political, social, or even religious beliefs.

    Well hardy har har, as Jackie Gleason used to say.

    One big reason for public schools is to protect children from kidnappers and abusive parents. Even parents with good intentions can harm their children by allowing them only a narrow view of the world. Many parents don’t even have good intentions. My mother went to jail for child neglect, and my father tried to sell me to a pederast when I was ten years old. The pervert backed out of the deal when he found out I was enrolled in public school and the Department of Child Welfare was checking up on me regularly.

    You want to know where home schooling really leads?

    “For reasons which may never be understood, Jordan had been allowed to decay, to rot to death, by those closest to him for at least several weeks.

    “There was no other reason for his death, no natural or other illness, apart from the conditions created for him by the accused.”

    The jury heard Burling had been living a relatively normal life until he started being home-schooled by his mother. He had no apparent condition that could have led to his death on June 30, 2016.

    https://www.rt.com/uk/428996-boy-rot-death-court/

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  • I'm very pleased to announce that our selection of HTML Books now contains works by renowned World War II historian David Irving, including his magisterial Hitler's War, named by famed military historian Sir John Keegan as one of the most crucial volumes for properly understanding that conflict. [articlelink][title]Hitler's War[/title][byline]David Irving • 1991 • 397,000 Words[/byline][/articlelink]...
  • @Anon
    Sounds a bit erratic to me. Can any disgnostician tell me where this Anon's ragbag of ideas appear to come from?

    It’s the word salad of an AI bot.

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    Can I have a copy of your efficient pithy AI bot please? :-)
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  • For many years I maintained far too many magazine subscriptions, more periodicals than I could possibly read or even skim, so most weeks they went straight into storage, with scarcely more than a glance at the cover. But every now and then, I might casually browse one of them, curious about what I had usually...
  • @Anon

    We have the Soviet plans and maps and the Soviet plan in the Winter War was to conquer the whole country. As for the before war offer of other area in Russian Karelia in compensation of the Karelian Isthmus close the Saint Petersburg, the countries, which agreed to such reasonable Soviet demands (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) were taken over by Soviets in a sort time. Finns did not want the same fate.
     
    You may speak of the operative plans with borders of maximal Soviet troop advancement, but not of the plans to take over Finnland and terminate its independence. Finns were headed by fascist anti-Russian and anti-Soviet general Mannerheim, wore swastikas like Nazis and had their plans for 'Greater Finland' including St-Petersburg and Murmansk. The malignancy of Finnish nationalist state was evident, and one can see why France and England were reluctant to send help. As for Baltic states, taking them over was a right thing before the German invasion - the border was moved to the West, and Russia was saved. Any literate person familiar with Tolstoy, Gagarin or Mendeleev understands that it is absolutely immaterial, how many Estonians, Latvians etc. may be sacrificed to keep Russia on the map.

    (Finns) wore swastikas like Nazis

    No, they did not. The Finnish swastika was a marking for their airplanes only. Their air force began with the gift of an airplane from a Swedish nobleman. He painted it with a swastika, and the Finns kept the symbol for distinguishing their planes. Their swastika was a mirror image and rotated 45 degrees from the German one. This didn’t keep poorly trained Soviet spotters from reporting Finnish planes as German. Finns absolutely did not wear swastikas. Look at the videos and photographs.

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    The swastika of the Finnish air forces (still used by the air force school) was not a mirror image. It was the same way as the Nazi swastika but standing on one leg (45 degrees turned, but Germans also used it that way sometimes). It was painted in blue on a plane from von Rosen and was a known good luck symbol with Aryan (Indo-European) associations. The swastika in Finnish medals (still used) is from Gallen-Kallela, a Finnish national romantic painter, much before Nazis. The plane was obtained in 1918. Hitler designed the Nazi swastika 1920. But von Rosen founded the Swedish Nazi party later and his sister married Göring, so finally this swastika goes to the same Aryan thinking of that time (but not for Finns). The planes with blue swastikas on wings were Finnish, Nazi planes had a black double cross and only a small swastika in the tail. It should have been very easy to distinguish the planes. Finns were not Nazis during the war and protected Finnish Jews, who also fought in the Finnish army against the Soviet Union. Finns handed over Jewish war prisoners (some 100) to Germans (and were given Finnish-origin POWs by Germans), but they were not killed in German POW camps in Lapland during the war. It is not known what happened to them, probably they were taken to Norway when Germans withdrew.
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  • @Incitatus
    "He [Hitler] was a “gruppenführer” (equivalent to corporal; second lowest rank). Sometimes translated as “squad leader.” He was only a runner, but he loved the war."

    Hitler was a gefreiter (= Private First Class) in a Bavarian Regiment. Not an NCO, not a corporal, not entitled to command other men. The only order he could issue was for dinner in a restaurant.

    Hitler was a gefreiter (= Private First Class) in a Bavarian Regiment. Not an NCO, not a corporal, not entitled to command other men. The only order he could issue was for dinner in a restaurant.

    Yes, I was confused about the name for the rank, but it was the second lowest rank. And he was a runner.

    He was certainly not a colonel, which was my point.

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    He was a decorated combat veteran whose understanding of military matters has been praised by no less than John Keegan.
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  • @Jake
    "Numerous other authors have published books in support or more often strong opposition, and even international academic conferences have been held to debate the theory. But our own English-language media has almost entirely blacklisted and ignored this ongoing international debate, to such an extent that the name of the most widely-read military historian who ever lived had remained totally unknown to me."

    Solzhenitsyn discerned that the West was enslaved by a unique form of censorship of ideas. The governments did not issue strict censorship laws; instead, private owned publishing houses and other media companies as well as universities collectively decided which ideas were not to be discussed - and those ideas were not discussed. Those who persisted in trying to air them would be ostracized as too much a krank, a total kook, to be allowed to be a journalist or professor. Serious scholars/teachers and journalists simply do not waste any time with such things, which means that if you do wish to research and teach those things , then you will be cut off.

    What links all the ideas that have been deemed too kooky for Anglosphere discussion is that they could poke holes in the way that peoples have been led to perceive the WASP world as easily the best, the one that should control the entire globe.

    For example, my stressing that WASP culture is the direct fruit of a Judaizing heresy (in fact, the most overtly money-worshiping and violence sanctifying, and linguistically and culturally genocidally nascent, Judaizing heresy produced during the crazy century and a half of Reformation) is something that simply is to be seen as too kooky, too kranky to be discussed in any venue. If people accepted that in order to fully grasp what drove the British Empire to become the largest empire in world history, as well as why it did what it did in dominating the globe, and what likewise drove the winners of America's Civil War so that they were ready as WASP Elite Part 2 to take over from WASP Elite Old World, they must understand theology and also the pre-Reformation thrust of basic Anglo-Saxon (as opposed to Anglo-Norman) culture, they would come to many conclusions different from the ones that now are seen as settled across the Anglospehere.

    As is all but a given for any culture determined by a Judaizing heresy, WASP culture tells itself that is uniquely virtuous, and that being uniquely virtuous, it not only has a right, but a responsibility, to boss the world, for that is the only way that world can reach its potential. The direct WASP alliance with Jews brought together the post-Temple Jewish form of that Globalist imperial faith (to work behind the scenes as secretly as possible, amassing wealth and power, until even kings are your debtors) with the characteristically Germanic form: slaughter everybody who is not your tribe that it takes for you to make survivors into serfs or little better off than serfs.

    The WASP-Jewish alliance, sealed by archetypal WASP Oliver Cromwell, is the single most important event in the world becoming what is DC/NYC/Hollywood/London suzerainty.

    And yet that very possibility is not to be discussed in the Anglosphere.

    As for this book, which I have not read: obviously the Anglosphere, the fruit of Judaizing heresy, must demand that all 'serious' scholars and journalists see WW2 exclusively as about the evil anti-Semite Austrian Colonel wishing to harm the innocent Jews.

    the evil anti-Semite Austrian Colonel

    He was a “gruppenführer” (equivalent to corporal; second lowest rank). Sometimes translated as “squad leader.” He was only a runner, but he loved the war.

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    "He [Hitler] was a “gruppenführer” (equivalent to corporal; second lowest rank). Sometimes translated as “squad leader.” He was only a runner, but he loved the war."

    Hitler was a gefreiter (= Private First Class) in a Bavarian Regiment. Not an NCO, not a corporal, not entitled to command other men. The only order he could issue was for dinner in a restaurant.
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  • The True Right has always believed in strong leadership and the ability, as Thomas Carlyle wrote, of ‘great men’ to shape history. In his collection of lectures On Heroes, Hero-Worship and the Heroic in History, Carlyle identifies six types of hero: the Hero as Divinity, as Prophet, as Poet, as Priest, as Man of Letters...
  • @jilles dykstra
    It is difficult to know what someone thinks, though in this world there are a lot of mind readers.
    I'm not one of them.
    So, for example, Trump still puzzles me.

    Even FDR puzzles me.
    Though I'm convinced he was brought into politics to wage war I do not know if this was just what he had agreed to do or that he himself wanted it.
    In his last speech to congress he did not completely follow the text that was prepared for him, the text, I suppose, as was customary, he had agreed to.
    Sherwood, one of the speech writers, describes the procedure.
    What was not in the prepared text is that he said, according to Sherwood, 'that ten minutes with Saud had taught him more about zionism than hundreds of letters from rabbi's'.
    FDR was therefore not, in my opinion, a puppet.

    Why jews behave as they do, that is to say a few thousand, my guess, leading jews, I do not know.
    Is it fear 'unless we control the world w're finished', or is it 'we got away with much, let us try this'.
    Or 'christians treated us badly for 2000 years, therefore we are right in trying to destroy christianity' ?

    Even FDR puzzles me.
    Though I’m convinced he was brought into politics to wage war I do not know if this was just what he had agreed to do or that he himself wanted it.
    In his last speech to congress he did not completely follow the text that was prepared for him, the text, I suppose, as was customary, he had agreed to.
    Sherwood, one of the speech writers, describes the procedure.
    What was not in the prepared text is that he said, according to Sherwood, ‘that ten minutes with Saud had taught him more about zionism than hundreds of letters from rabbi’s’.
    FDR was therefore not, in my opinion, a puppet.

    My grandmother had a connection with Eleanor Roosevelt that began in 1930. She often spoke about it. There was considerable tension between Eleanor and the President. Eleanor went to a boarding school in England where the girls all had to speak French. She was a fanatical supporter of those two countries. It is well known that Franklin was a paraplegic. His wife physically dominated him to the point of abuse. Supposedly she sometimes shot him up with heroin and locked him in a closet to keep him from rolling into important meetings she held in the White House. During his second term he was pushed out of the government altogether with the help of an actor originally hired to campaign for him and read his speeches. That is why they kept changing vice presidents: very few people knew the president well enough to be sure he was missing. Among Roosevelt’s children only the two oldest knew of the deception.

    Franklin was anti-war; Eleanor was pro-war. She liked to see men fighting and spilling blood.

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  • "As one of the conditions of considering publication of this article, Ron Unz has required me to personally apologize to commenter Rurik for having previously threatened to "dox" him based on our private correspondence. I am therefore providing that apology, and also sincerely promising to make no such threats nor take such actions against him...
  • Interesting article. My experience is that fake identities are created by using the name of a person who legitimately disappeared. One example I know about was a kidnapped German biologist who was brought to America and given the name of a soldier who died in the Korean War. The Navy allowed such extensive access to their records that it was possible for a certain agent to erase mention of his death and add to his history. After his supposed discharge, his history continues in a far away city where no one would know who he was. So the back history exists, but he was still a fake person.

    Perhaps Betty emigrated to China. An American educated and skilled person would have been in demand there. Possibly she just needed to be disappeared because of some TLA (CIA/NSA/etc/etc) situation.

    I don’t think there is any way of knowing for sure whether the Betty Ong who died on 9/11 was a fake or not. I am skeptical that there would have been cell phone calls from a plane in 2001. The technology was far less advanced than today. And the way those three towers fell straight down hours after the impact of two airplanes leaves me incredulous that anyone could believe the official story.

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    You don't really pay attention do you. Revusky pursued totally inadequate research and didn't even think of the name being changed, in this case only slightly but critically. As to the phone calls they weren't from ordinary cell phones (which might or might not have been close enough to transmission towers) and you can read the very plausible transcripts by an easy search. BTW why do you think there have been none of American Airlines 1000s of employees to say there was no Betty Ong?
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  • The latest Steven Spielberg film, The Pentagon Papers, made me wonder about the historical significance of this glorious episode of whistleblowing and victorious struggle for freedom of the press. The leaking and publishing in 1971, by the New York Times then the Washington Post, of excerpts from this 7000-page classified report on the Vietnam War...
  • @Hu Mi Yu

    Conventional wisdom is that Eisenhower was selected by the Americans to lead the invasion of Europe because he was so superior in logistics. He supervised the plans and made sure equipment, gas, oil, medics, food, winter clothes were where they were needed when they were needed.
     
    He didn't do this. His mostly British staff did it. His British secretary Mrs. Whitman even wrote his letters for him. Have you ever spoken to Korean vets? They lost limbs because they did not have sufficient winter clothes.

    He ran for president in 1952 on a promise to end the Korean War immediately which he did.
     
    His promise was to go to Korea, which he did. He found the war a bloody stalemate, and the population resources of the US could not match those in China and the Soviet Union. He opted for an armistice to regroup: not a peace treaty to end the war. The war never ended. My sources come from among the most rabid deep state cold warriors who remained personally loyal to Eisenhower after Kennedy became president. I recall with amazement one day in 1962 when Joe Bonono explained that Kennedy wasn't really president, because the 22nd amendment was not legal. Ike should have been grandfathered, he claimed.

    After the Korean War ended, he concentrated on building the national highway network and other infrastructure. He was a great president for the American people because he concentrated on protective tariffs, huge well paid infrastructure projects and internal things that benefited the American people.
     
    The Korean war never ended, and he concentrated on building up the US in preparation for renewed hostilities. This is why, for example, the world war II draft was still being used in the 1960s.

    He did help the French in their Vietnam war, but concentrated on doing things for the American people instead of adventuring all over the world.
     
    Did you live through that period? The first political story I remember reading was about Eisenhower using army draftees to break a coal miner's strike. How is this different from slavery? His PR was amazing, but the truth about him was ugly. He got on well with Joe Stalin. One of the causes of the Korean armistice was the loss of the understanding with the Soviet Union following Stalin's replacement by Khrushchev in October 1952, and his death a few months later. And there really can be no excuse for Ike's treatment of German POWs.

    I recall with amazement one day in 1962 when Joe Bonono explained that Kennedy wasn’t really president

    I did a web search, and Joe Bonono returns articles about Joe Bonanno. This is not the same person. Joe Bonanno was from southern Italy, but Joe Bonono was from northern Italy. He was a deep state ringer for the other Joe. In published photos of Bonono the right side of his face is obscured, because he had a mole or blemish there that would have blown his cover.

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  • @Anon
    Conventional wisdom is that Eisenhower was selected by the Americans to lead the invasion of Europe because he was so superior in logistics. He supervised the plans and made sure equipment, gas, oil, medics, food, winter clothes were where they were needed when they were needed.

    He ran for president in 1952 on a promise to end the Korean War immediately which he did.

    After the Korean War ended, he concentrated on building the national highway network and other infrastructure. He was a great president for the American people because he concentrated on protective tariffs, huge well paid infrastructure projects and internal things that benefited the American people.

    He did help the French in their Vietnam war, but concentrated on doing things for the American people instead of adventuring all over the world.

    Conventional wisdom is that Eisenhower was selected by the Americans to lead the invasion of Europe because he was so superior in logistics. He supervised the plans and made sure equipment, gas, oil, medics, food, winter clothes were where they were needed when they were needed.

    He didn’t do this. His mostly British staff did it. His British secretary Mrs. Whitman even wrote his letters for him. Have you ever spoken to Korean vets? They lost limbs because they did not have sufficient winter clothes.

    He ran for president in 1952 on a promise to end the Korean War immediately which he did.

    His promise was to go to Korea, which he did. He found the war a bloody stalemate, and the population resources of the US could not match those in China and the Soviet Union. He opted for an armistice to regroup: not a peace treaty to end the war. The war never ended. My sources come from among the most rabid deep state cold warriors who remained personally loyal to Eisenhower after Kennedy became president. I recall with amazement one day in 1962 when Joe Bonono explained that Kennedy wasn’t really president, because the 22nd amendment was not legal. Ike should have been grandfathered, he claimed.

    After the Korean War ended, he concentrated on building the national highway network and other infrastructure. He was a great president for the American people because he concentrated on protective tariffs, huge well paid infrastructure projects and internal things that benefited the American people.

    The Korean war never ended, and he concentrated on building up the US in preparation for renewed hostilities. This is why, for example, the world war II draft was still being used in the 1960s.

    He did help the French in their Vietnam war, but concentrated on doing things for the American people instead of adventuring all over the world.

    Did you live through that period? The first political story I remember reading was about Eisenhower using army draftees to break a coal miner’s strike. How is this different from slavery? His PR was amazing, but the truth about him was ugly. He got on well with Joe Stalin. One of the causes of the Korean armistice was the loss of the understanding with the Soviet Union following Stalin’s replacement by Khrushchev in October 1952, and his death a few months later. And there really can be no excuse for Ike’s treatment of German POWs.

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    Eisenhower used federal troops in violation of "posse comitatus" laws, which prohibit the use of the military for civilian "law enforcement".
    When he enforced a school desegregation order in 1957 using federal troops, he was in violation and should have been brought to task on his lawless behavior.
    , @Hu Mi Yu

    I recall with amazement one day in 1962 when Joe Bonono explained that Kennedy wasn’t really president
     
    I did a web search, and Joe Bonono returns articles about Joe Bonanno. This is not the same person. Joe Bonanno was from southern Italy, but Joe Bonono was from northern Italy. He was a deep state ringer for the other Joe. In published photos of Bonono the right side of his face is obscured, because he had a mole or blemish there that would have blown his cover.
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  • The facts in this article are the way I remember them, but they are selected to blame Israel. Much of the blame for Vietnam belongs on Eisenhower and his British patrons. Kennedy needed Eisenhower’s support to win the nomination, and Eisenhower came to Kennedy’s aid in the general election at the last minute by claiming that it would take him a week to think of something Vice President Nixon had done during his administration.

    Eisenhower was promoted from obscurity by the British. They wanted him to lead the Allies, because he was easily manipulated. He doted on the young queen and Churchill’s daughters. All they had to do was send a woman, and he would believe anything they told him. They buttered him up to the point that he thought he was the greatest general in history. He was going to fight the glorious Battle of Armageddon by invading China and rolling back communism.

    His plan of battle was first invading Cuba, then throwing communists out of Vietnam, and then Korea. Then he was going to form an alliance with Russia to invade China (Here he used Hitler’s short-lived arrangement with Stalin as a model).

    All this would require more than two terms as president, and he believed he could be re-elected again and again. He didn’t read much, and during his second term someone managed to explain the 22nd amendment to him. He was outraged.

    His backup plan was the creation of the deep state (aka organized crime) to prevent his opponents from shielding themselves behind the constitution. Then he cut the deal for Kennedy to back fellow Texan Lyndon Johnson for Vice President knowing that Kennedy could be taken out at any time.

    Vietnam and China were active targets for French and British imperialism at the time.

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    I always state a disagreement, agreement or amplification trying to be civil and respectable but this post does not make sense. Eisenhower missed the boat by his less than ringing praise for Nixon. If he wanted a war with China, he could have had one in 1953. The Chinese had no nukes and the Russians were well behind US capabilities.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    The defense of Vietnam was to encourage and support a democratic state. Despite its issues internally, hardly unique to any new state --- the US had no more global ambitions other than thwarting communism.


    President Eisenhower could lent his full support to the French and ended the matter -- but as the US isn't fond of colonialism --- in his view our support against the communists invading Vietnam was slight.

    , @Anon
    Conventional wisdom is that Eisenhower was selected by the Americans to lead the invasion of Europe because he was so superior in logistics. He supervised the plans and made sure equipment, gas, oil, medics, food, winter clothes were where they were needed when they were needed.

    He ran for president in 1952 on a promise to end the Korean War immediately which he did.

    After the Korean War ended, he concentrated on building the national highway network and other infrastructure. He was a great president for the American people because he concentrated on protective tariffs, huge well paid infrastructure projects and internal things that benefited the American people.

    He did help the French in their Vietnam war, but concentrated on doing things for the American people instead of adventuring all over the world.
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  • OK, so why is the country falling apart? Specifically, why are kids blowing each other away? America has become a source of wonder the world over with its Colulmbines and hundreds and hundreds of dead in Chicago and Baltimore and its burning cities and riots. Other advanced countries don’t do these things. America didn’t either...
  • @Mike Garrett
    That list is a list of Viking conquests, pure and simple, and murder has for them always been a favourite pastime. Today the murder rate in Japan is (per thousand people) .31 and 1.46 in Tadjukistan, but in Greenland among the most Viking of today's nations the rate is 12.46. In Palestine the murder rate is .6, but in the USA it is 4.88 and in Russia, founded by Vikings, it is 11.31.

    Today the murder rate in Japan is (per thousand people) .31 and 1.46 in Tadjukistan, but in Greenland among the most Viking of today’s nations the rate is 12.46

    The majority of the residents of Greenland are Amerindians not Vikings:

    The majority of its residents are Inuit, whose ancestors began migrating from the Canadian mainland in the 13th century, gradually settling across the island.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland

    The most Viking country is surely Iceland:

    Iceland emerges as the third least likely country in the world to be murdered in. Just 25 people were murdered in Iceland in the thirteen-year period 2000-12. The highest annual figure is five murders (2000), while there were no murders at all in 2003, 2006 and 2008. Just one violent death was recorded in 2012, giving Iceland an overall intentional homicide rate of 0.3/100,000 inhabitants.

    https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2015/05/13/iceland_3rd_lowest_murder_rate/

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  • In Saigon, the foreign tourists stay mostly downtown, where they can patronize American bars, and restaurants serving Indian, Thai, Korean, Italian, Mexican and Middle Eastern food, not to mention McDonald’s, Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Popeyes, Starbucks and Lotteria, the last a Japanese chain. With English as the lingua franca, they can be overseas, yet...
  • @anon
    Darwin's absurd claim that isolation creates diversity, while the removal of this isolation, by e.g., artificial introduction of invasive species, or merging of landmasses, causes species extinction, hybridization and a loss of diversity, was just an atavistic White male pseudo-scientific rationalization for White supremacy; an attempt to justify the violation of the human right of non-whites to immigrate to White countries, and enrich them.

    Plurality of cultures on one landmass is diversity, the long-term consequences of this proximity to the survival of those cultures be damned. The existence of unique cultures on distinct landmasses is not sufficient to achieve multiculturalism. Propinquity of eclectic huddled masses is vital to the multicultural vision. We must blend to where we have eliminated all distinction, and the canvas is covered in a uniform gray coat. We will only have true multiculturalism when all cultures look the same. Then, when we have achieved perfect cultural-entropy, will we have utopia.

    Where did you learn about Darwin? In the Frankfurt School? Not by reading him, that is for sure.

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    Nobody learns about Darwin by reading him anymore. I have yet to meet a contemporary Darwinist for who evolution is anything more than a vague, whateverish sense of natural change organized along hastily contrived fitness principles, and that includes the soi-disant geniuses at Sailer's place.
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  • From the Chicago Sun-Times: Maybe Robert Mueller, after nailing small-time identity theft grifter Richard Pinedo, could pay attention to this kind of massive identity scam? In 2015, under the Obama administration, ICE inspected the documentation of Labor Network’s employees at Cloverhill. In May 2017, the Trump administration sent letters to about 800 employees, saying they...
  • @Yan Shen
    Is this necessarily true? From a pure average IQ perspective, sure there's some incremental gain. My impression though is that Latin Americans tend to be much better at the organized drug trade than blacks are. Would we really want to import the Mexican cartels into the US?

    Would we really want to import the Mexican cartels into the US?

    We don’t need to. They are already here. Freezing Mexicans out of honest jobs makes the illegal drug trade more attractive for them, and the cartels stronger.

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    The "if we don't let them in, they'll really kill us" argument raises its ugly head again.
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  • Earlier in February, according to various Fox and Neoconservative pundits, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein was close to being labeled “the devil incarnate,” the man responsible for naming Robert Mueller as Special Counsel (and who had basically given him carte blanche to engage in a slow-burn campaign, an ideological investigative war, based on a spurious...
  • @Hu Mi Yu
    Even my own reply is double!

    All is well now. I see everything once.

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    Why do I see everything twice? Comments 17 through 26 are all double!

    Even my own reply is double!

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  • I did not expect that my previous post would prove so contentious and would lead to such a wide range of comments. Thank you for those, and for the detailed points made, and the references to published work. I must admit that I sometimes experienced an Alice in Wonderland effect: the discussion has veered away...
  • @CanSpeccy

    Fake news.
     
    Hu Mi Yu, you must be even dumber than Utu. You say you're diabetic, yet you advocate diabetics consume glucose, which is idiotic.

    This site is infested with nuts and trolls with whom it is pointless to debate. Some of the rudest and dumbest are in name or by their own contention of Chinese origin or affiliation, which seems weird, as the Chinese people that I know personally are both well mannered and intelligent.

    Hu Mi Yu, you must be even dumber than Utu. You say you’re diabetic, yet you advocate diabetics consume glucose, which is idiotic.

    Pretty much everyone consumes glucose in form of starch or sugar. It is in everything. You can treat high blood glucose levels by taking insulin, or you can do as I did, and as Dr. Lustig suggests and stop eating fructose. Most sugar is a mixture of fructose and glucose. I suggest avoiding fructose: not eating more glucose.

    This site is infested with nuts and trolls with whom it is pointless to debate. Some of the rudest and dumbest are in name or by their own contention of Chinese origin or affiliation, which seems weird, as the Chinese people that I know personally are both well mannered and intelligent.

    Now we know why you are here! (snicker)

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    Pretty much everyone consumes glucose in form of starch or sugar. It is in everything.
     
    The trouble with you Hu Mi Yu, is that you are either too lazy to look at any of the numerous linked references I've given you, or you don't understand what you read.

    Starch is hydrolysed to glucose, but because of that preliminary step, the rise in blood glucose on consumption of starch is slower and less extreme than following the consumption of an equivalent amount of glucose. Moreover, if you consume fiber containing starchy foods such as brown rice, assimilation of glucose will be even slower, and will therefore raise blood sugar even less.

    So if you want to minimize or eliminate their dependence on insulin injections should cut out glucose and every other sugar entirely, while increasing their intake of protein and fat at the expense of carbohydrates, especially refined carbohydrates.

    But you would rather snicker, apparently.

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    a candy called pixie sticks
     
    I remember reading on a paleo site once that Sweet Tarts are made exclusively with glucose.

    I remember reading on a paleo site once that Sweet Tarts are made exclusively with glucose.

    Thanks. Will check out the ingredients next time I am in the supermarket.

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  • @Johan Meyer
    Do you know what the prevalence of the ability (breaking down 5 carbon sugar polymers) is?

    Another thing I see is xylose (5 carbon sugar, like fructose) being added to wheat flour (six).

    Do you know what the prevalence of the ability (breaking down 5 carbon sugar polymers) is?

    Fructose is a 6-carbon sugar that forms a 5-carbon ring in the blood (one carbon is outside the ring). Glucose is a 6-carbon sugar that forms a 6-carbon ring.

    Fructose polymers (fructans) are not supposed to be digestible (they are counted as fiber). However some people are sensitive to them, apparently including me. This is an area that is still poorly understood. I have had no luck finding even basic information like typical blood fructose levels after ingestion.

    For many years there was a widespread misconception that fructose and glucose were interchangeable due to the fact that the Tollen test taught in basic organic chemistry reports both. Fructose and glucose exist in equilibrium in the high pH of the Tollen test, but this is not true at physiological pH. This news has not completely filtered down to those on the front lines of medicine and nutrition.

    Another thing I see is xylose (5 carbon sugar, like fructose) being added to wheat flour (six).

    Xylose is a 5 carbon sugar derived from wood that is not fully understood. Web searches turn up conflicting information. I certainly would not want it in my food.

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    Thanks for the correction---I should have checked, given my lacking biochemistry background (5 versus 6 carbon in fructose).
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  • Last month I'd announced that I was adding a new Video section to this website, with a central motivation being the increasingly harsh ideological censorship that YouTube was beginning to impose upon its content, as had been originally announced last Fall. During the last few weeks, this regime of YouTube censorship has indeed intensified. A...
  • @Anonymous
    Recently, by which I mean in the past week or so, I've noticed that perhaps half of my comments simply disappear. I'd say around 80-90% of my comments in that period (1-2/day) are on iSteve. I just reposted a comment as a test, and I made sure to press Publish, but my comment did not even show up as awaiting moderation. Usually when I hit "Publish Comment", I can see the comment in the comment section immediately, with the notice that it has not yet been moderated. This change is entirely new. I don't think I have made any browser changes, and I don't know that I have ever had a comment actually rejected (even if a few might have been dumb, in retrospect).

    The only thing that I have been doing slightly differently in the past week or two is entering different random email addresses into the email box (stuff like [email protected]). Is there some spam filter that excludes obviously bogus emails?

    Also: is there some other place where I should post things like this?

    The only thing that I have been doing slightly differently in the past week or two is entering different random email addresses into the email box (stuff like [email protected]). Is there some spam filter that excludes obviously bogus emails?

    One of the rules around here is that if you use an invalid email address, you must use the same address consistently. Otherwise you can use anon or anonymous, but this sometimes leads to confusion when others reply. It is also polite to make clear that the address is invalid by using the domain .invalid as in [email protected].invalid.

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    OK, thanks, that makes sense. I've been posting as Anonymous for the past half-year or so, and usually sticking with a fixed bogus email and then changing it, but I didn't see problems until I started making an obviously bogus email for every post. I guess that won't work. The quality of the comments here is relatively high compared to just about any other site I regularly read, so I guess I'll continue to try to contribute within the framework offered. I hadn't heard of using the .invalid domain as a clue, so maybe I'll opt for that.
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  • I did not expect that my previous post would prove so contentious and would lead to such a wide range of comments. Thank you for those, and for the detailed points made, and the references to published work. I must admit that I sometimes experienced an Alice in Wonderland effect: the discussion has veered away...
  • @botazefa
    I think that page you are linked to is talking about glycemic index.

    Glucose is manufactured by the body from other sugars in our food.

    My point is, we don't eat glucose.

    My point is, we don’t eat glucose.

    Yes, we do. It is contained in fruits and vegetables as well as starches. When they add it to food, they call it dextrose.

    Other sugars are converted into glucose by the liver with varying degrees of efficiency.

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    You seldom find obesity in poor Asia, East European and African countries in 1970s who need to do labour work like farming, with little to eat, very simple natural starchy diet, mostly 2meals a day. It still happen in these countries rural regions, but not cities that invaded by western junk food and chilled drinks culture.

    Artificial food, cold drinks, junk food are luxuries then, and diabetes are privilege for the rich. They usually live till 70's still strong enough for farm work, with lean body and little illness. Starch and sweet things are their main energy source without problem.

    Diabetes are due to malfunctioning pancreas unable to regulate insulin, usually due to taking too much cold foods and drinks. Pancreas is the illness source, high sugar level diabetes is only the symptom. Western medical research and treatments focus on symptoms which can only be temporary suppress, no one ever heal by western medications.

    TCM focus on root cause to eliminate illness, and diabetes is not consider a illness in TCM but only a sign of pancreatic problem. Diabetes usually also cause high BP and cholesterol problem.

    Eat less(70% full), organic food (including brown rice/ sugar is good), simple diet (without refine food like white rice/sugar), work out more for daily perspiration. Nature work itself best when people go back to natural lifestyle.

    This is what Traditional Chinese Medicine physicians have observed, and able to treat 3 High symptoms, high sugar, high BP, high cholesterol, very effectively. That's how i get my old mother decade of 3 highs illnesses treated within a month using TCM herbal treatment to revitalize pancreas(by using warm nature herbs) with diet control, to the great surprise of her geriatric.

    But once she return to her usual junk food and cold drinks lifestyle, the illnesses return. In facts, sugar intake has no effect to her diabetes during treatment in my observation, as healthy pancreas is able to regular itself well. Science is still far from truly understanding how nature work.

    Try this and see if its help.
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  • @CanSpeccy

    Where, exactly, does one find food/drink products that contain any significant glucose?
     
    Top 10 Foods Highest in Glucose

    Don't you love them all? That's why obesity and diabetes have become epidemic.

    Top 10 Foods Highest in Glucose

    Fake news. Honey is about the same thing as corn syrup: Fifty to sixty-four percent fructose and thirty-six to fifty percent glucose in a supersaturated solution with 20% water. Starch has the highest glucose content per weight. It is not even on the list.

    It is the fructose content of the listed foods that is the problem: not the glucose.

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    Fake news.
     
    Hu Mi Yu, you must be even dumber than Utu. You say you're diabetic, yet you advocate diabetics consume glucose, which is idiotic.

    This site is infested with nuts and trolls with whom it is pointless to debate. Some of the rudest and dumbest are in name or by their own contention of Chinese origin or affiliation, which seems weird, as the Chinese people that I know personally are both well mannered and intelligent.

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  • @botazefa

    My hypothesis (not a theory) would say that replacing glucose with sucrose would tend to cause a person to gain weight.
     
    Where, exactly, does one find food/drink products that contain any significant glucose?

    Where, exactly, does one find food/drink products that contain any significant glucose?

    The main dietary source of pure glucose is starch. During digestion starches are hydrolyzed into glucose and maltose (contains two glucose molecules). There are other sources as well. The original formula for Gatorade was sweetened with glucose, but after Pepsi bought the brand, they changed the formula to make it sweeter. On a the hereditary fructose intolerance forum (hfi.proboards.com: now defunct), they used to talk about a candy called pixie sticks made with glucose. This morning I made some limeade from fresh limes (no fructose) and glucose I bought from a local health food store. It tasted great.

    Trade synonyms for glucose include dextrose and corn sugar. Corn syrup contains fructose though.

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    a candy called pixie sticks
     
    I remember reading on a paleo site once that Sweet Tarts are made exclusively with glucose.
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  • @Johan Meyer
    Is the malabsorption of fructose to which you refer fructose caught in fibre, or dissolved fructose? My understanding of Lustig's argument is the fibre-entrapped fructose mainly does give rise to the symptoms described in normal individuals, and that that is a secondary satiety signal.

    Is the malabsorption of fructose to which you refer fructose caught in fibre, or dissolved fructose? My understanding of Lustig’s argument is the fibre-entrapped fructose mainly does give rise to the symptoms described in normal individuals, and that that is a secondary satiety signal.

    Dr. Lustig asserts that fructose caught in fiber (for example apples) is not a problem for normal individuals. I have found that fructose with fiber definitely is a problem for me.

    I am not writing of fructose malabsorption here, but of problems with fructose metabolism. Malaborption is the most common problem with fructose. As in the case of lactose intolerance this indicates that we are not adapted to diets high in it. We have increased .ability to digest starch compared to our early ancestors, and correspondingly we have a reduced ability to metabolize fructose on the average. It varies from individual to individual.

    I haven’t mentioned this so far, but the diet I use is also low in fructans. Fructans are polymers of fructose, just as starches are polymers of glucose. According to accepted wisdom fructans do not digest, and they are classified as fiber. However there is no question they are a problem for me. For one thing I have a contact allergy to nearly all grasses, and grasses contain fructans in their cell walls. The only grain that I have to restrict in my “paleo” diet is barley. After I found this out, I looked it up and found that barley is the grain highest in fructans. Wheat and rice are low, and I can eat these without restriction. However “wheat” bread and even flour are nearly always mixed with barley in the US, so it is difficult to find wheat based products that I can eat.

    Recently I found out that there are also polymers of galactose called galactans. As far as I can tell, the only food that contains them is agar. I have reserved for the future a challenge to see if I can tolerate agar, but I have no desire to be ill again at present.

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    Do you know what the prevalence of the ability (breaking down 5 carbon sugar polymers) is?

    Another thing I see is xylose (5 carbon sugar, like fructose) being added to wheat flour (six).
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  • @botazefa

    True, but a fructose calorie will get you fatter than a glucose calorie.
     
    Are you sure about that?

    It may be true that fruit sugars may digest more slowly, which is healthier on the endocrine system.

    I don't think that a fat person who chooses to replace all his glucose than sucrose will lose a single pound, which seems to be a good way to test your theory.

    I don’t think that a fat person who chooses to replace all his glucose than sucrose will lose a single pound, which seems to be a good way to test your theory.

    My hypothesis (not a theory) would say that replacing glucose with sucrose would tend to cause a person to gain weight.

    I reference Dr. Lustig mostly because he agrees that cutting back fructose is important. We do not necessarily agree on every point. I went back to school and studied biochemistry so I could understand the metabolism of sugars. For an introduction you could check the Wikipedia entry for “fructolysis”: especially the section titled “Fructose induces hepatic lipogenic enzymes”. “Lipogenesis” means “fat creating”. Also a web search on “fructose metabolism” should prove enlightening.

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    My hypothesis (not a theory) would say that replacing glucose with sucrose would tend to cause a person to gain weight.
     
    Where, exactly, does one find food/drink products that contain any significant glucose?
    , @CanSpeccy

    My hypothesis (not a theory) would say that replacing glucose with sucrose would tend to cause a person to gain weight.
     
    This paper in Diabetes supports your hypothesis, inasmuch as it shows that sucrose causes a greater insulin response than glucose. It also shows, however, that equivalent amounts of starch produce much smaller increases in blood glucose and insulin than any sugar.

    Thus, for diabetics, better than substituting glucose for sucrose would be to eliminate sugar from the diet altogether, replacing it with unrefined sources of carbohydrate such as brown rice, root vegetables, etc., which are digested slowly and thus do not cause blood glucose to spike with detrimental consequences for the machinery of blood sugar control.
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  • @botazefa

    Eating garbage and thinking that all calories do the same thing in the body upon ingestion makes no sense.
     
    A calorie is a unit of energy, not a physical thing. A fat gram is good for 7 calories. Protein and carbs 4.

    A garbage calorie will get you no fatter than a new age organic branded calorie.

    How many fat vegetarians are out there?

    A garbage calorie will get you no fatter than a new age organic branded calorie.

    True, but a fructose calorie will get you fatter than a glucose calorie.

    How many fat vegetarians are out there?

    I’ve known a few. Did you know that donuts are vegan?

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    True, but a fructose calorie will get you fatter than a glucose calorie.
     
    Are you sure about that?

    It may be true that fruit sugars may digest more slowly, which is healthier on the endocrine system.

    I don't think that a fat person who chooses to replace all his glucose than sucrose will lose a single pound, which seems to be a good way to test your theory.
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  • Last month I'd announced that I was adding a new Video section to this website, with a central motivation being the increasingly harsh ideological censorship that YouTube was beginning to impose upon its content, as had been originally announced last Fall. During the last few weeks, this regime of YouTube censorship has indeed intensified. A...
  • I have never believed that internet advertising was especially valuable and certainly don’t believe the never ending growth in Google’s revenues. I think a lot of their revenue is from the government, especially the NSA. Since they own You-Tube and probably used some taxpayer money to buy it (even a stock swap uses some money), is there a First Amendment case to be made?

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  • At a time when some people may be wishing to set a New Year’s resolution, after some festive eating and drinking, it is apposite to look at a recent very striking headline: 'I beat type 2 diabetes with 200-calorie drinks' It describes what is said to be a very promising treatment for the treatment of...
  • @CanSpeccy

    Clearly there was little pressure for lactose tolerance among most of the human population. So logically there would be many genetic variations interfering with digestion or metabolizing milk. The most obvious of these is lactose intolerance: from which I do not suffer.
     
    Actually there has been strong pressure for lactose tolerance in populations where cattle (or other milk producing animals) are herded. Hence 35% of the world's population and the vast majority in particular regions are lactose tolerant. Therefore, contrary to what you say, there will have been strong selection against genetic variants interfering with digestion of milk in those populations.

    You assert without evidence that lactation prevents fertility.
     
    Here's some evidence:

    It has long been recognized that women who breastfeed their children have a longer period of amenorrhea and infertility following delivery than do those women who do not breastfeed. The length of postpartum amenorrhea is quite variable, and depends on several factors, including maternal age and parity, and the duration and frequency of breastfeeding. In general, it would appear that the more frequent and the longer the episodes of breastfeeding, the longer will be the period of anovulation, and the longer the period of infertility.
    Source
     
    It took me 30 seconds to find it. Why not check your facts before making unwarranted statements.

    However dairy products do seem to intolerably raise my BG, and I was warned of this by a physician I met at a party many years ago. He believed, based on his clinical practice as an endocrinologist, that dairy was the cause of diabetes.
     
    This is the sort of misinformation you would expect from a half-cut doctor at a party. There is an abundance of data suggesting the exact opposite. See here, for example.

    In speaking of your diabetes you lump fructose with lactose, but the two likely have totally different effects. It is well established that fructose messes up control of blood sugar, so it is illogical to attribute your problem to lactose, if you are consuming fructose at the same time.

    Re your argument concerning the lower efficiency of milk production versus rice culture, the fact remains that there are more Indians than Chinese despite India's two-thirds smaller land area. In part, perhaps the difference is due to the negative effect on public health of having a large proportion of the population in rice growing regions paddling around in shit-contaminated paddy fields.

    In speaking of your diabetes you lump fructose with lactose, but the two likely have totally different effects. It is well established that fructose messes up control of blood sugar, so it is illogical to attribute your problem to lactose, if you are consuming fructose at the same time.

    It appears you are misinterpreting everything I say, seemingly purposfully. No, I did not lump fructose with lactose. I pointed out at the beginning the fructose is a ketose. Lactose OTOH digests into glucose and galactose. Both of these are aldoses.

    It would be illogical to depend on published scientific results when I have spent years repeatedly testing the effects of diet on my blood glucose. If the scientific papers do not report what I see with my meter, then I will for dietary purposes ignore the literature and complain about this in public.

    No, I do do not mix fructose and lactose. My diet is fructose free following guidelines obtained from a hereditary fructose intolerance site. Unfortunately the recommended diets for HFI contain much dairy, so I found out the hard way about the need to also restrict dairy.

    There are many more details here, but it would be fruitless to continue. You are not even reading my posts. Your assertion that humans are descended from sheep and goat herders agrees with a literal interpretation of Genesis, but it does not agree with modern genetic evidence. Sorry.

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    Your assertion that humans are descended from sheep and goat herders agrees with a literal interpretation of Genesis
     
    LOL. My dear fellow, you reading comprehension is even worse than I at first suspected.
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  • @CanSpeccy

    Tĥis means there must also be other more subtle genetic problems with dairy consumption as well.
     
    Why? By what logic do you arrive at that conclusion? The logical assumption is surely that lactose intolerance promotes fertility by preventing prolonged lactation, an advantage that is nullified where milk production is among the most feasible means achieving human subsistence (as I explained at #352).

    The attempt to switch the subject to China reeks by the way.
     
    I am sorry, but you seem to be paranoid. I said nothing whatever about China in the comment you refer to.

    For me it is a slow poison, yet over and over I am told milk is good for me.
     
    Well obviously if you are lactose intolerant milk then you are crazy to consume lactose. Whoever told you that milk was good for you, clearly did not know what they were talking about.

    Some populations may have had evolutionary pressure for lactose intolerance, but it is clear that most did not.
     
    You seem a bit muddled. If, as you claim, most people are lactose intolerant, then it would appear that contrary to what you say, most populations are the product of evolutionary pressure for lactose intolerance.

    Tĥis means there must also be other more subtle genetic problems with dairy consumption as well.

    Why? By what logic do you arrive at that conclusion?

    If we do not have evolutionary pressure to maintain a trait, then that trait will be lost by genetic drift. The classic example here is bats losing their sight after adapting to caves. Clearly there was little pressure for lactose tolerance among most of the human population. So logically there would be many genetic variations interfering with digestion or metabolizing milk. The most obvious of these is lactose intolerance: from which I do not suffer.

    However dairy products do seem to intolerably raise my BG, and I was warned of this by a physician I met at a party many years ago. He believed, based on his clinical practice as an endocrinologist, that dairy was the cause of diabetes. He said it was impossible to persuade his patients to give it up however. Eliminating dairy and fructose were the keys to my recovery from diabetes. Just a couple of uncatalogued genetic variations out of thousands that remain.

    The logical assumption is surely that lactose intolerance promotes fertility by preventing prolonged lactation, an advantage that is nullified where milk production is among the most feasible means achieving human subsistence (as I explained at #352).

    This does not seem logical to me. You assert without evidence that lactation prevents fertility. If that were true, women could not have another child until nine months after the previous child was weaned. One child every two years would be the maximum rate of female reproduction.

    Also it has been pointed out to me in previous discussions on this topic that milk intolerance may increase the survival rate of infants by reducing competition for their only food.

    It is possible that there are places and times where milk production has been the most feasible means of obtaining subsistence, but clearly that is not true in most populated areas. It is not an efficient way of using resources. First the grass has to grow. The photosynthetic efficiency of grass is in the range 3-6%. When cattle eats the grass, it must be digested by gut bacteria. Half of the energy from that grass passes right through; this is why you can burn cow dung for fuel (as in India). Half of the energy absorbed is used up in the elaborate ruminant digestive system. Overall about 10% of the energy from that grass is available for the use of the cattle. Some fraction of this will be converted to milk. Far better to grow crops and eat them directly.

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  • The drama which is unfolding in northern Syria is truly an almost ideal case to fully assess how weak and totally dysfunctional the AngloZionist Empire has really become. Let's begin with a quick reminder. The US-Israeli goals in Syria were really very simple. As I have already mentioned in a past article, the initial AngloZionist...
  • @Eustace Tilley (not)
    "Yet again, and I know this sound hard to believe, but I think that this is yet another strong indication that the Empire is run by stupid and ignorant people whose brain and education simply do not allow them to grasp even the basic dynamics in the region of four planet there are interfering with."

    If I press "#2 por Espanol", will you please provide me with a Spanish translation so I can decipher your brilliant Russian analysis?

    Here goes: #2

    the basic dynamics in the region of four planet there are interfering with.

    I stumbled on that sentence as well. Only a fluent native speaker could decipher this mess. What he meant to write was:

    the basic dynamics in the region of our planet they are interfering with.

    It looks like speech-to-text software with poor proofreading.

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  • I did not expect that my previous post would prove so contentious and would lead to such a wide range of comments. Thank you for those, and for the detailed points made, and the references to published work. I must admit that I sometimes experienced an Alice in Wonderland effect: the discussion has veered away...
  • The body is a heat machine. Food is the fuel. Thermodynamics applies.

    Well, yes, but the devil is in the details. From calories in you subtract calories excreted, calories stored as fat, calories converted into muscle, and calories retained in the intestines. Then you have to account for different nutrients requiring different amounts of energy to metabolize. In all these there are genetic components. I find it strange that someone can be so enthusiastic for genetic influence on IQ while rejecting all genetic influence on appetite, digestion, and metabolism.

    To take one tiny example with fructose, there are two recognized forms of fructose intolerance: fructose malabsorption, and hereditary fructose intolerance. While HFI is rare, about 1/3 of the population has some form of fructose malabsorption. In these cases all fructose consumed does not enter the blood. Instead some is fermented by microorganisms in the intestines to produce methane and hydrogen. These excreted gases represent a form of calories out.

    Will power can make us lose weight, but where is the weight lost? I lost 100 pounds by dieting and reached a plateau. After that point I kept the fat and lost muscle tissue at an alarming rate. This is a metabolic issue addressed by Dr. Lustig that I referenced in a comment to your previous diet blog.

    The evidence to refute the simple-minded CICO theory fills volumes of scientific literature of which you are apparently ignorant. The main problem causing the obesity epidemic is not psychological, but rather involves physiology and biochemistry. You are outside your field of competence.

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    Thanks for the references, and your detailed and reasoned argument. I see that, once again, my explanations have not been good enough. I will try again.

    I am giving behavioural advice, not nutritional advice. I am not a nutritionist, and have made no comments about those matters because I don't know about them and they are marginal to my argument.

    Imagine that someone has a food intake of a set number of calories, and finds that on that intake they are fatter than they want to be. Of course there may be an error term in calculating how much they have eaten, and an error term in how well the food is digested and made available to the body. Say that term is 8%. If the over-weight person eats another extra calorie of food they will get 92% of a calorie of food that their body will have to deal with. Not having eaten it would be the better strategy if the goal is weight loss.

    Hope this helps explain my point.
    , @Johan Meyer
    Is the malabsorption of fructose to which you refer fructose caught in fibre, or dissolved fructose? My understanding of Lustig's argument is the fibre-entrapped fructose mainly does give rise to the symptoms described in normal individuals, and that that is a secondary satiety signal.
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  • At a time when some people may be wishing to set a New Year’s resolution, after some festive eating and drinking, it is apposite to look at a recent very striking headline: 'I beat type 2 diabetes with 200-calorie drinks' It describes what is said to be a very promising treatment for the treatment of...
  • @CanSpeccy

    Not really.
     
    Yes. OK. It was a joke. Feeble I know. Like the other Darwinian axiom, "The Struggle for the Exits".

    And yes, I have read Darwin, from the Origin to the Autobiography.

    Clearly this indicates that we are not adapted to an environment where adult dairy consumption is the norm. So there are bound to be other more subtle problems with milk consumption, because there has been no evolutionary pressure for adults to digest and metabolize milk.
     
    That's a very broad statement. In fact many groups have long subsisted on a largely milk diet in both Asia and Africa. Lactose intolerance in SE Asians may simply reflect the loss of a biochemical facility of little or no use to people subsisting mainly on rice.

    That’s a very broad statement. In fact many groups have long subsisted on a largely milk diet in both Asia and Africa. Lactose intolerance in SE Asians may simply reflect the loss of a biochemical facility of little or no use to people subsisting mainly on rice.

    I simply repeat the basic fact that was taught in high school biology fifty years ago and since confirmed in study after study. Sixty percent of the world’s population is lactose intolerant. Not all of these people are Chinese. If a majority of the world’s population are lactose intolerant, then most people are not adapted to dairy. Tĥis means there must also be other more subtle genetic problems with dairy consumption as well.

    The attempt to switch the subject to China reeks by the way. The figure is something like ten percent for Europeans. That makes it a major health problem even in an area where lactose tolerance is common. Certainly I am one hundred percent northern European verified by genetic test, and I have a big problem with dairy. For me it is a slow poison, yet over and over I am told milk is good for me. Some populations may have had evolutionary pressure for lactose intolerance, but it is clear that most did not.

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    And here you can see, in two maps, the inverse relationship between lactose intolerance and milk consumption around the world, with, as I said, the highest incidence of lactose intolerance in the south-east Asia.
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  • @CanSpeccy

    I have already referenced his book [Dr. Lustig's book] Survival of the Fattest in another thread on this site. Despite the title, it is serious.
     
    "Survival of the fattest": isn't that the basis of Darwin's theory of evolution?

    But yes, there seem to be very good biochemical and physiological reasons to avoid much of what constitutes the Western diet, the high fructose content of much processed and fast food being one of them. Lactose intolerance is evidently the reason dairy products are a problem for some, but are there others? And too much milk will result in hypercalcemia especially among America's mostly magnesium deficient population, but are there other health hazards related to the consumption of dairy products?

    As for beans, do you know of a problem other than favism in those with a glucose-6-diphosphate dehydrogenase deficiency?

    “Survival of the fattest”: isn’t that the basis of Darwin’s theory of evolution?

    Not really. The unfortunate title is a pun on the Darwinian slogan survival of the fittest actually invented by an older contemporary named Herbert Spencer and named after Darwin. The theory of evolution is based on Darwin’s observations in Origin of Species, but Darwin himself didn’t have a coherent theory of the sort we have today. He never understood the mechanism for heredity; he favored something called pangenesis. It took the unraveling of the structure of DNA to make that clear. Darwin also recognized that mammals of necessity do not evolve as individuals but as social groups, while Darwinists emphasize individuals.

    The book hypothesizes that humans required a high fat diet in order to evolve our larger brains.

    there seem to be very good biochemical and physiological reasons to avoid much of what constitutes the Western diet, the high fructose content of much processed and fast food being one of them.

    Are you aware of Staffan Lindeberg’s work? He was a Swedish physician who spent many years practicing on the island of Kitava. He found his patients to be free of western diseases on their limited diets consisting mainly fish and coconut. He found that when they moved to other islands to find work they became ill, and when they reverted to their native diet, they became healthy again. He was able to replicate his results in limited experiments after he returned to Sweden. He had a website until recently, but sadly he passed away in 2016. He has a book: Food and Western Disease: Health and nutrition from an evolutionary perspective (Wiley-Blackwell, December 2009) ISBN 978-1-4051-9771-7

    Lactose intolerance is evidently the reason dairy products are a problem for some, but are there others?

    I would argue from evolution that the answer has to be yes, even if we have not discovered the problems yet. Sixty percent of the world’s population is lactose intolerant. Clearly this indicates that we are not adapted to an environment where adult dairy consumption is the norm. So there are bound to be other more subtle problems with milk consumption, because there has been no evolutionary pressure for adults to digest and metabolize milk. Certainly milk plays a major role in my dietary intolerances, and I am not lactose intolerant. What I see are weight gain, sarcopenia, and high blood glucose.

    As for beans, do you know of a problem other than favism in those with a glucose-6-diphosphate dehydrogenase deficiency?

    I spent years puzzling over this. I had isolated beans and dairy products and fructose from my dietary rotations. Dairy products and legumes are restricted in nearly all versions of paleolithic diets. So I wondered what could possibly be common between dairy products and beans. One possible solution is galactose, a sugar found as a component of lactose and also in beans.

    Galactosemia and Fructosemia are both recognized conditions in children, but thought to be benign. Unfortunately we don’t routinely measure blood galactose or fructose concentrations, so we wouldn’t know if they correlate with diabetes or metabolic syndrome.

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    Not really.
     
    Yes. OK. It was a joke. Feeble I know. Like the other Darwinian axiom, "The Struggle for the Exits".

    And yes, I have read Darwin, from the Origin to the Autobiography.

    Clearly this indicates that we are not adapted to an environment where adult dairy consumption is the norm. So there are bound to be other more subtle problems with milk consumption, because there has been no evolutionary pressure for adults to digest and metabolize milk.
     
    That's a very broad statement. In fact many groups have long subsisted on a largely milk diet in both Asia and Africa. Lactose intolerance in SE Asians may simply reflect the loss of a biochemical facility of little or no use to people subsisting mainly on rice.
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  • @CanSpeccy

    Dr. Robert Lustig has a video that may be interesting if you are not afraid of a bit of biochemistry.
     
    Biochemistry is not my problem. I studied it under Sir Hans Kornberg, the lead author of the Krebs cycle paper. But what Dr. Lustig calls biochemistry is more commonly, I would have thought, called physiology, which is not a problem either, since I have doctorate in the subject.

    But the video provides an intro to important aspects of the subject of diet, diabetes and obesity (And I feel some confidence in the doctor since he correctly uses the plural demonstrative pronoun "these" with the plural noun "data," so often mistakenly treated by Unz authors, e.g., Derb., and others, as a synonym for the singular noun "information.").

    I suspect, unfortunately, that the humorist and mathematical obfuscator of physiological questions who have wasted so much space here will not follow your link.

    The key point of Lustig's talk is the action of fructose on insulin production or action. Presumably there is literature to back this up (Lustig cites some that I have not read), in which case the argument that fructose containing sweeteners, including regular sugar, i.e., sucrose, buggers up the control mechanisms relating food consumption to utilization is compelling. Certainly the correlation between world-wide sugar consumption and the incidence of diabetes and obesity provides strong circumstantial evidence.

    Biochemistry is not my problem. I studied it under Sir Hans Kornberg, the lead author of the Krebs cycle paper. But what Dr. Lustig calls biochemistry is more commonly, I would have thought, called physiology, which is not a problem either, since I have doctorate in the subject.

    After watching Dr. Lustig’s first video, I was inspired to go back to school and take classes in biochemistry, physiology, and biology. I had been diagnosed with diabetes (fasting BG=300) and advised to take insulin. Instead I spent the three months before my next visit rotating my diet and monitoring my BG (blood glucose). At my next visit, the doctor agreed I did not need insulin. A few months later I discontinued even the low dose of metformin that I was prescribed.

    I found that I fit Dr. Lustig’s profile for metabolic syndrome perfectly, and my diet rotation ruled out anything containing fructose. This included nearly all fruit and many vegetables. On this point I go farther than Dr. Lustig, who claims the fructose in fruit is somehow different than processed sugars like HFCS (high fructose corn syrup).

    I also found I had problems with dairy products and beans. This connects with the paleo diet, and I have some suspicion that galactose may also be part of the problem (found in both). This is puzzling because galactose is like glucose in being sn aldose and forming a six carbon ring in the blood. Fructose is different in being a ketose and forming a five carbon ring. This makes it more reactive and harder to convert into glucose. Problems with fructose are easier to understand than problems with galactose.

    I also studied a bit of anthropology. It seems that the latest results show that humans first diverged from chimpanzees about six million years ago, most likely with a Robinsonian translocation that merged two ape chromosomes into human chomosome 2. Thus humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes while apes have 24. These early humans were hardly different from chimpanzees, but due to the founder effect they tended to have longer legs. My speculation is that for this reason they were less suited for climbing trees and more suited for digging up roots and tubers. So we gradually adapted to a diet of starches rather than fruit. In our genome we have something like six times as many copies of genes for synthesizing amylase (the enzyme that breaks down starch) as chimpanzees. There is of course no fructose released in the digestion of starches.

    The next step in our evolution may have been migration to the sea shore in the manner suggested by Cunnane. Here I can imagine the reaction of an ape accustomed to digging in the earth with a stick when he sees a bubble coming out of the sand. Upon digging he would find a clam, and he quickly discovers a new abundant supply of food with no competition.

    I have already referenced his book Survival of the Fattest in another thread on this site. Despite the title, it is serious.

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    I have already referenced his book [Dr. Lustig's book] Survival of the Fattest in another thread on this site. Despite the title, it is serious.
     
    "Survival of the fattest": isn't that the basis of Darwin's theory of evolution?

    But yes, there seem to be very good biochemical and physiological reasons to avoid much of what constitutes the Western diet, the high fructose content of much processed and fast food being one of them. Lactose intolerance is evidently the reason dairy products are a problem for some, but are there others? And too much milk will result in hypercalcemia especially among America's mostly magnesium deficient population, but are there other health hazards related to the consumption of dairy products?

    As for beans, do you know of a problem other than favism in those with a glucose-6-diphosphate dehydrogenase deficiency?
    , @CanSpeccy
    There is a recent (2016) broad-ranging review of how fructose makes you fat and diabetic here:

    Fructose: a highly lipogenic nutrient implicated in insulin resistance, hepatic steatosis, and the metabolic syndrome.

    It's interesting that flowering plants have developed fruits rich in a substance (fructose) that promotes gorging, and thus the distribution of their seeds by way of the gut of animals eating the fruit.

    More recently, the fast food industry has harnessed the same mechanism, developing products such as fudge sundaes and Oreo cookies rich in a substance (fructose) that promotes gorging, thus the flow of profits by way of the gut of the animals eating those products.

    Also of possible interest is this paper:

    Consuming fructose-sweetened, not glucose-sweetened, beverages increases visceral adiposity and lipids and decreases insulin sensitivity in overweight/obese humans

    Which demonstrates in a human trial that fructose increases adiposity and causes insulin insensitivity.

    Also, the review article noted above, contains a number of references to neurological effects of fructose, suggesting that a high fructose intake negatively impacts brain function, a topic surely worthy of further investigation by students of human intelligence. Maybe the Chinese are smarter than Americans because they eat rice not junk food, in which case I suppose the spread of KFC and MacDonalds is part of the devious Western plot for world domination.

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  • The Trump administration has settled on a plan for sabotaging the Iranian Nuclear deal that does not explicitly violate the terms of the agreement. Trump will continue to suspend sanctions, as is required under the terms of the deal, but at the same time, he will warn that if the agreement isn’t changed to meet...
  • At one point in the 1970s I had several friendly conversations with someone who later became a leader in the revolutionary government in Iran.

    The very first question that he asked me was why Americans were always accusing him of wanting nuclear weapons. I didn’t understand that either. Iran’s neighbors have nuclear weapons: Russia, India, Pakistan. Then of course there is Israel. Iran has a right to nuclear weapons, if they want them. But there are also serious questions about whether nuclear weapons are actually useful in war. I never had the feeling that he wanted nuclear weapons. Many other countries made the decision not to acquire them: including WWII Germany.

    He did however want to develop nuclear power. He claimed that Iran has extensive reserves of uranium ore that could provide an economic boost after the oil boom is gone. It should be understandable that they would like to be more than an exporter of raw ore.

    One other point he made was that the Farsi word for Iran is “Uran”, and the word for uranium is also “uran”. There may be confusing to our intelligence analysts who rely on intercepted data for their information. They are known for their poor language skills.

    A similar situation occurred in WWII when observers often confused Finnish aircraft for German. They were both marked with a swastika, but the Finnish version was a mirror image and rotated 45 degrees from the German one. To the Finns it had no political significance whatsoever. It identified no party and no platform. Yet the persistent reports of German planes flying from Finnish bases made Finland an allied target and eventually forced them to accept German help. In the end the Finns turned on the German soldiers and arrested them as prisoners. That was Stalin’s precondition for an end to the war.

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    simple, iran with nukes = out of american control. same sort of deal with NK.

    when everyone have nukes, american power will effectively be neutered so to speak. if usa super power status is gone, alot of things will change. the #1 issue will be the reserve status of the dollar will 100% be gone in that situation. it is currently being protected through us military.

    I personally think it is one of the reasons why the american govt mucks the climate change science so hard. if alternative energy becomes a thing, oil backed dollar will lose all it's power.

    NPT is just a scheme to keep the power in the current nuclear powers' hands.

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  • Whatever Congress does about this will have no effect, because the primary enabler of all this spying on Americans is secrecy. The Bell telephone monopoly and the deep state were behind the development of the internet from the very beginning. Gathering information about us is the very purpose behind it. There is nothing we can do to stop it.

    The reason we have this law is that just in case someone finds out about it, and just in case they have some kind of proof (rarely possible), it would be embarrassing to admit the deep state has been doing this since the 1950s without legal sanction. All that is necessary is to be able to allege that someone is not “really” an American citizen. I am not going to bring up personal details, but do recall the “birthers” who contested Obama’s citizenship. If you speak Spanish, then maybe you are a Mexican. If you frequently travel overseas to build golf courses, maybe that is cover for espionage. If you ever studied physics, then maybe you want to build a nuclear something-or-other. There is no end to the possible excuses that make spying on Americans perfectly legal.

    The power is not in the hands of Trump. He does not do the wiretapping himself. This power is delegated to the deep state. This is the same deep state that is out of control. Even though Congress can do nothing about it, even though it is only symbolic, we should oppose warrantless wiretapping.

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  • At a time when some people may be wishing to set a New Year’s resolution, after some festive eating and drinking, it is apposite to look at a recent very striking headline: 'I beat type 2 diabetes with 200-calorie drinks' It describes what is said to be a very promising treatment for the treatment of...
  • @CanSpeccy
    An excellent explanation of why obesity has "little to do with willpower, refusal to exercise, etc. " and why "Telling fat people that they just need to, say, suck it up and exercise portion control is offensive and wrong." The composition of diet affects appetite, caloric intake and the fate of the calories consumed.

    Fructose, a dirt cheap ingredient of a vast number of fast and processed foods, is not interchangeable with glucose as a direct energy source because most cells lack the transporter necessary for fructose uptake. Hence most fructose ends up in the liver where it is converted to glycerol, a constituent of fat.

    Fructose, unlike glucose, suppresses production of leptin, which lessens appetite, but does not suppress production of ghrelin, which promotes feeding initiation.

    That is why Archer Midland Daniels, a major producer of high fructose corn syrup, has full-time employees doing tobacco science to convince you that consuming high fructose corn syrup is good for you.

    Fructose, a dirt cheap ingredient of a vast number of fast and processed foods, is not interchangeable with glucose as a direct energy source because most cells lack the transporter necessary for fructose uptake. Hence most fructose ends up in the liver where it is converted to glycerol, a constituent of fat.

    What most people don’t know is that glucose is actually cheaper than fructose. The commercial production of fructose first converts corn starch into glucose and then uses enzymes to convert some glucose into fructose.

    You can buy glucose in your local health food store, but the trade names are confusing. Glucose is called corn sugar or dextrose. Corn syrup OTOH is a mixture of glucose and fructose. Glucose isn’t as sweet as fructose, but it is sweet enough.

    Dr. Robert Lustig has a video that may be interesting if you are not afraid of a bit of biochemistry.

    https://www.dietdoctor.com/robert-lustigs-new-talk-sugar

    I don’t necessarily agree with his politics, but it is clear that fructose is converted by liver enzymes into glucose or fat. Everyone has different levels of these enzymes. Personally I am nearly fructose intolerant.

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    Dr. Robert Lustig has a video that may be interesting if you are not afraid of a bit of biochemistry.
     
    Biochemistry is not my problem. I studied it under Sir Hans Kornberg, the lead author of the Krebs cycle paper. But what Dr. Lustig calls biochemistry is more commonly, I would have thought, called physiology, which is not a problem either, since I have doctorate in the subject.

    But the video provides an intro to important aspects of the subject of diet, diabetes and obesity (And I feel some confidence in the doctor since he correctly uses the plural demonstrative pronoun "these" with the plural noun "data," so often mistakenly treated by Unz authors, e.g., Derb., and others, as a synonym for the singular noun "information.").

    I suspect, unfortunately, that the humorist and mathematical obfuscator of physiological questions who have wasted so much space here will not follow your link.

    The key point of Lustig's talk is the action of fructose on insulin production or action. Presumably there is literature to back this up (Lustig cites some that I have not read), in which case the argument that fructose containing sweeteners, including regular sugar, i.e., sucrose, buggers up the control mechanisms relating food consumption to utilization is compelling. Certainly the correlation between world-wide sugar consumption and the incidence of diabetes and obesity provides strong circumstantial evidence.

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  • @cthulhu


    On the thermodynamic not being relevant argument, I simply do not understand the point being made. Bodies are heat machines.

     

    Coming in late to this thread, but let me see if I can give a succinct answer without too much simplifying. See GCBC for details.

    The "carb hypothesis" in Taubes' Good Calories, Bad Calories (aka GCBC) goes like this:

    0. In homeostasis, the body stores a modest amount of fat, and can easily use stored fat as required to meet the body's energy needs. Insulin levels rise modestly as we eat, causing unused dietary carbohydrates to be stored as fat, then drop later, allowing the body to use stored fat. (Insulin is the hormone that controls access to our fat stores.)

    1. We eat too many carbs, especially easily-digested carbs and/or fructose, at a meal. Insulin levels rise abnormally high. The fructose can't be used directly at all and is converted to fat by the liver, and because of the high insulin, said fat gets stored in the fat tissue immediately. The other carbs are converted to glucose, used to fuel the body and replenish glucose stores, and the leftovers are also converted to fat and stored.

    2. Insulin levels remain high, and this keeps the stored fat locked up. Normal activity depletes our stored glucose, and the stored fat is inaccessible due to high insulin. Therefore, we get hungry and eat!

    3. Repeat this cycle and we gain weight, because we can only use a portion of our food for metabolism due to elevated insulin, and the rest is stored as fat which is inaccessible to our metabolism. As long as insulin remains high, our stored fat cannot be used, and more of our food intake gets stored as fat.

    4. So the thermodynamic viewpoint is true but barely relevant. Yes, obese people take in more calories than they expend, but it's because elevated insulin is both causing too many calories to be stored as fat, and preventing the body from using its stored fat, driving up appetite and reducing caloric expenditure. It has little to do with willpower, refusal to exercise, etc. Telling fat people that they just need to, say, suck it up and exercise portion control is offensive and wrong.

    5. Reducing calories without changing the composition of the diet is a fool's errand. You have to get insulin levels down so that the body can use its stored fat. Get rid of sugar, especially any sugars that have substantial fructose content, and all carbs that provoke a significant insulin response - e.g., white flour. Eat moderate amounts of protein. Monounsaturated and saturated fat is fine. Dietary cholesterol is fine - it has essentially no impact on serum cholesterol; see Peter Attia's "straight dope on cholesterol" series at his website.

    6. All diets that work do so by eliminating foods that cause a substantial insulin response and eliminating foods like fructose that are converted directly to fat and stored. This can be done with both high carb low fat and low carb high fat diets, but my take is that the best-designed studies seem to indicate that low carb high fat, properly designed, is easier to follow and overall more effective than low fat high carb. Once proper insulin sensitivity is recovered and stored fat is available for use, the obese person's caloric intake will drop because he/she is less hungry, because his/her metabolism is functioning properly.

    7. There are people who seem to be capable of eating substantial amounts of grains without significant issues, which is not terribly unexpected since some human populations have been eating grains for several thousands of years. But it seems clear that there are plenty of people who can't handle grains well. And sugar seems to be an unalloyed evil no matter how good it tastes :-(

    An excellent explanation of why obesity has “little to do with willpower, refusal to exercise, etc. ” and why “Telling fat people that they just need to, say, suck it up and exercise portion control is offensive and wrong.” The composition of diet affects appetite, caloric intake and the fate of the calories consumed.

    Fructose, a dirt cheap ingredient of a vast number of fast and processed foods, is not interchangeable with glucose as a direct energy source because most cells lack the transporter necessary for fructose uptake. Hence most fructose ends up in the liver where it is converted to glycerol, a constituent of fat.

    Fructose, unlike glucose, suppresses production of leptin, which lessens appetite, but does not suppress production of ghrelin, which promotes feeding initiation.

    That is why Archer Midland Daniels, a major producer of high fructose corn syrup, has full-time employees doing tobacco science to convince you that consuming high fructose corn syrup is good for you.

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    Canspeccy I have a new theory for what's driving obesity.

    In a way, I agree with the mechanistic people that emphasizing willpower and conscious control is wrong. I go even further - I say the desire to consciously control appetite, diet, and weight is precisely what's driving the obesity epidemic!

    This is my tneory.

    At some point in America, in line with our scientific and mechanistic culture, we decided to control weight and appetite and diet. Modern scientific cultures are cultures of "control" -the goal is ever increasing control over all aspects of human life.

    I have found that when it comes to humans, the more we try to control ourselves, the more we mess things up and disrupt a delicate balance of forces.

    But I think at some point after WW2, the omniscient gaze of science settled on diet, and decided to control an area of life that hitherto most people didn't think too much about.

    In a daring reversal of accepted views, I say there was no obesity epidemic until science started telling us how to eat! Science was not responding to a problem, it was creating a problem!

    Curiously, there is a clear correlation between scientific advice on how to eat, and rising obesity - the arrow of causality is generally supposed to point from obesity, to scientific advice on how to solve it. Such is conventional wisdom, at any rate.

    But in a flash of insight, I see now that the causality is exactly the reverse of that!

    So we both agree on the evil of willpower and conscious control, in the end.

    Sometimes I astound myself with my own brilliance.

    It is also curious that the less mechanistic a culture is, the less obesity is a problem. Indeed there is mounting evidence that just thinking about food causes hunger, and we are encouraged to obsess over food from a thousand different perspectives.

    Another brilliant insight - something I call "nutrient anxiety". We Americans are terrified of not getting enough or the right amount of nutrients, which we are encouraged to think about in excruciating and obsessive detail. Now THAT was a masterstroke of the food industry!I

    We poor Americans, abused and traumatized by science and corporate interests alike, encouraging us to obsess over food from a thousand different perspectives!

    I should really organize these insights into a comprehensive theory and publish it. I know res would buy it.
    , @Hu Mi Yu

    Fructose, a dirt cheap ingredient of a vast number of fast and processed foods, is not interchangeable with glucose as a direct energy source because most cells lack the transporter necessary for fructose uptake. Hence most fructose ends up in the liver where it is converted to glycerol, a constituent of fat.
     
    What most people don't know is that glucose is actually cheaper than fructose. The commercial production of fructose first converts corn starch into glucose and then uses enzymes to convert some glucose into fructose.

    You can buy glucose in your local health food store, but the trade names are confusing. Glucose is called corn sugar or dextrose. Corn syrup OTOH is a mixture of glucose and fructose. Glucose isn't as sweet as fructose, but it is sweet enough.

    Dr. Robert Lustig has a video that may be interesting if you are not afraid of a bit of biochemistry.

    https://www.dietdoctor.com/robert-lustigs-new-talk-sugar

    I don't necessarily agree with his politics, but it is clear that fructose is converted by liver enzymes into glucose or fat. Everyone has different levels of these enzymes. Personally I am nearly fructose intolerant.

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  • Friday finds me in an unusually buoyant mood about the immigration outlook—long term. But first, was the President’s much-denounced remark fair? Let’s investigate. In Haiti‘s case the President’s remark was very apt. From the National Public Radio website, dated July 29th 2017: You Probably Don’t Want To Know About Haiti’s Sewage Problems (by Rebecca Hersher)...
  • @jilles dykstra
    Cannot see any banking interest in these countries going on the rocks.
    Contrary to popular beliefs, bankers hate wars.
    Enough correspondence exists between them from the second half of the 19th century to show this.
    A relative of mine, who lived for decades in S Africa, never mentioned banking interests.
    Banks have no interest in countries going under in chaos.
    Their investments become worthless.
    The whole centre of Durban is abondoned to blacks.
    Do you think the owners liked this ?
    Same, I suppose in Uganda, where a friend of mine worked in the time of Idi Amin.
    Katanga is, I think, a good example.
    Western interests made the region 'independent', so that the Congo mess would not affect the region.
    Last, but not least, let me mention Dutch losses because of we lost what now is Indonesia.
    Those Dutch that were prosperous there, most of them, came back penniless.
    Shares in Dutch companies there, toilet paper.

    Cannot see any banking interest in these countries going on the rocks.
    Contrary to popular beliefs, bankers hate wars.

    Not true of all bankers.

    I once asked a proud descendant of bankers who lent money to both the French and British during the Napoleonic wars how they could make money knowing that one side or the other was sure to default. His answer was they actually hoped for default. When the losing side defaults on the loans, they demand concessions. The concessions are worth more than the loan, and the victors will help enforce those demands.

    I think of this every time I hear about privatization of public facilities in countries that are renegotiating their debt.

    At least some bankers are happy to see their clients bankrupt and desperate for more money.

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    I once asked a proud descendant of bankers who lent money to both the French and British during the Napoleonic wars...
     
    So you know a blood sucking vampire squid otherwise known as a Rothschild?
    , @jacques sheete

    His answer was they actually hoped for default. When the losing side defaults on the loans, they demand concessions. The concessions are worth more than the loan, and the victors will help enforce those demands.
     
    What jyles doesn't know is that the banks typically don't lose. Their "loans" are packaged and sold to subscribers and when the loans go unpaid, the subscribers lose, not the banks.

    It's a pretty neat trick, and they have several others up their sleeve too, such as reparations, which also wind up being paid in one way or another by the workers and investors of the so called "victorious" countries. (Yes, you read that correctly. The middle class "victors" pay with their blood and money. Only the bankers win.) Simply, the losing country has to borrow money to pay reparations, and the money comes from the middle class of the victors. It's a really cool trick, quite simple and quite lucrative as well.

    The bankers win and the people lose even if there is no war. All one has to do is look at what happened to Greece recently. There are many more examples throughout history.

    And people wonder why there are so many "shitholes."

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  • In the early hours of 28th September 1994, a pleasure ship, MS Estonia, sank in the Baltic Sea. Of the 989 people on board, a staggering 852 died. Bizarrely, some 650 were found below decks—unable to believe what was happening, they had made no attempt to save their lives Why? One possibility: humans used to...
  • The only book in English that covers WWII from a detailed Finnish perspective is this one published in 1952: Heroic Finland by by David Hinshaw. Other sources are a bad joke as many poorly informed comments above demonstrate.

    Available used at amazon or read for free online:

    https://archive.org/details/heroicfinland008577mbp

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  • Introductory note: I wanted to touch upon this subject for a long, long while, because it is one I care about a lot. However, it is also totally off-topic for this blog. However, since in Russia there is a lull (that is putting it mildly) between New Year and the Orthodox Nativity, I decided to...
  • @TT
    Saker,

    Im no gun expert, but just want to say, find a better home like your beautiful born place Switzerland for your family that you never need to own a gun ever. I believe there is enough decent jobs there, even as a bus driver or school teacher, or in some 3rd world countries bless with peace. Life is more happy & peaceful.

    US is becoming such a sick place, with so much violent and hatred, opiods abuse, LGBT glorifying, msm propaganda, social problems, psychopaths electing lunatic leaders seeking atrocity wars. Why wait for implosion crisis that you foreseen to defense love ones hopelessly?

    find a better home like your beautiful born place Switzerland for your family that you never need to own a gun ever.

    Last time I was in Switzerland, all males were required to have military training and keep a rifle in their home. Many think that is why Switzerland is such a safe place.

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    There are over 20 countries have mandatory military service. Take Israel, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Switzerland as examples.

    Israel encourage all soldiers to keep weapons (with ammo) even off duty, so you find civilian clothing with assault rifles walking around. Is Israel safe? You know better.

    Switzerland allowed to keep service weapons at home with limited ammo rounds. But one mass shooting 5yrs ago and some domestic violents have prompted new laws limiting live ammo to be kept by reserved special force only. Is Switzerland safe, sure. Probably those killed by guns are much less than by dog/knife in US?

    Whereas Singapore, Korea, Taiwan all not allowed to keep service weapons. Gun robbery is death punishment in Singapore, so no idiot bother to get one. Yet they are safest countries. In Singapore, HK, Taiwan, China, Korea, Japan, Thailand, Myanmar, ..people are still walking on the street after dark. Police usually appear within 10min in emergency call.

    So, military training and keeping weapons got nothing to do with safe society, its the people & government policy. US people need to carry a gun wherever they go or sleep to feel safe. No amount of mass shooting and homicides will make US gov restrict gun ownership. Its a insane country to live in, esp people can buy any military assault rifles with unlimited ammo for shooting birds or mass killing at their pleasure.

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  • With regard to Mr. Trump’s Border Wall, I am skeptical. Now, I freely concede that I am not an authority on Border Walls. In fact, I have never built a Border Wall. This may surprise readers. Yet it is true. So all that follows is in the nature of speculation. Be warned. Still, though I...
  • @Achmed E. Newman
    Wrong, Texas, Arizona, and California were mostly Anglo until from 30 to 10 years back (with AZ still mostly Anglo). There were long-term Chicano , oops, Latino , oops, Hispanic residents in all the those states for a long time, especially Texas, but they were as Americanized as apple-pie-filled burritos until the newcomers. New Mexico has always had a pretty strong hispanic presence.

    Nope, they have NOT been northern Mexico since about 2 centuries ago. I don't know how old you are, but I've seen it myself - no, I guess I didn't witness the Gadsden purchase (my brother-in-law notarized it though, as I recall ...)

    See "Who, me, you", I've been everywhere, man.

    Wrong, Texas, Arizona, and California were mostly Anglo until from 30 to 10 years back (with AZ still mostly Anglo). There were long-term Chicano , oops, Latino , oops, Hispanic residents in all the those states for a long time, especially Texas, but they were as Americanized as apple-pie-filled burritos until the newcomers.

    ¿Tiene problemas escribando en inglés, Señior?

    Nope, they have NOT been northern Mexico since about 2 centuries ago. I don’t know how old you are, but I’ve seen it myself – no, I guess I didn’t witness the Gadsden purchase (my brother-in-law notarized it though, as I recall …)

    Life was harsh in frontier California. My family goes back to the 1850s. Around 1870 they were brutally attacked and driven out of a mining town for being “Cousin Jacks” (Canadian). My great-great-grandmother’s affair with a runaway slave probably had something to do with it. They took refuge among the natives at Round Valley.

    Looks like we’re surrounded Tonto.

    What do you mean we, Quinosave?

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  • At a time when some people may be wishing to set a New Year’s resolution, after some festive eating and drinking, it is apposite to look at a recent very striking headline: 'I beat type 2 diabetes with 200-calorie drinks' It describes what is said to be a very promising treatment for the treatment of...
  • @CanSpeccy

    It’s not what I believe, but rather what the data show.
     
    But not what the data I showed show!

    And I didn't say that mineral deficiency caused obesity, I said it was related to obesity, which as the literature shows, it is.

    but in fact we seem to be in agreement that diet is the chief determinant of obesity. At one time Europeans and Americans were mostly small and thin, like most Japanese are today, whereas now they are mostly large and fat, as the Japanese are now becoming as they adopt a Westernized diet.

    Obviously there something seriously wrong with the way Westerners eat, and are encouraged to eat, by their corporate masters, a tendency in no way combated by their vastly expensive educational system, with its vast university campuses with their numerous restaurants and cafeterias serving mostly high calorie, low mineral and vitamin content junk food.

    But on the plus side, obesity has risen with national mean IQ. So who's to say that fat does not make for better brains.

    But not so, apparently:

    The greater your weight, the lower your IQ, say scientists.

    But on the plus side, obesity has risen with national mean IQ. So who’s to say that fat does not make for better brains.

    Cunnane argues for this proposition seriously. He theorizes that early humans migrated to shore areas where they dug for shellfish. The high fat diet is what allowed us to evolve our bigger brains. One bit of evidence he cites for this is that humans need more iodine than can be found anywhere but near the sea.

    Cunnane, Stephen C. (2005) Survival of the Fattest World Scientific Publishing Co. Singapore. ISBN 981-256-191-9

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    Things are getting confusing. Fat does not make for fatness, or not necessarily, but if their was a reliable supply, fat may have provided the required to support the evolution of a bigger brain. On the other hand, fatness may impair brain function. The first is an effect of availability of calories on human evolution, the second is the effect of excess calories on mental function.
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    One thing to pay attention to is that not all "fats" are created equal. There are a variety of especially important fats (e.g. Omega 3 fatty acids) along with fat soluble vitamins (e.g. vitamin D) which come along for the ride and can become deficient in a very low fat diet. Then there are trans fats...
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  • With regard to Mr. Trump’s Border Wall, I am skeptical. Now, I freely concede that I am not an authority on Border Walls. In fact, I have never built a Border Wall. This may surprise readers. Yet it is true. So all that follows is in the nature of speculation. Be warned. Still, though I...
  • @SteveRogers42
    "Dirty" jobs can be done by the same people who did them prior to our becoming Northern Mexico.

    “Dirty” jobs can be done by the same people who did them prior to our becoming Northern Mexico.

    The Southwest has always been part of northern Mexico. You can’t change that, no matter how hard you try.

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    Wrong, Texas, Arizona, and California were mostly Anglo until from 30 to 10 years back (with AZ still mostly Anglo). There were long-term Chicano , oops, Latino , oops, Hispanic residents in all the those states for a long time, especially Texas, but they were as Americanized as apple-pie-filled burritos until the newcomers. New Mexico has always had a pretty strong hispanic presence.

    Nope, they have NOT been northern Mexico since about 2 centuries ago. I don't know how old you are, but I've seen it myself - no, I guess I didn't witness the Gadsden purchase (my brother-in-law notarized it though, as I recall ...)

    See "Who, me, you", I've been everywhere, man.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Ho Li Phuc! You history style no good!
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  • For the mainstream media, it was a bona fide crisis. Blake Shelton, a European-American country singer and a host of The Voice, whom I had never heard of until yesterday morning,was named People Magazine’s “Sexiest Man In The World.” The result was outrage. Marlow Stern at the Daily Beast declared grandly that “people” are in...
  • @Moi
    With inter-racial couples becoming popular, soon there will be no white folks to piss on. Problem solved.

    PS: How about we get over race, religion differences?

    With inter-racial couples becoming popular, soon there will be no white folks to piss on. Problem solved.

    That only lasts one generation. The grandchildren will be black, white, and every shade in between. When you hybridize like this, you get unpredictability and the development of new races in the long run.

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  • At a time when some people may be wishing to set a New Year’s resolution, after some festive eating and drinking, it is apposite to look at a recent very striking headline: 'I beat type 2 diabetes with 200-calorie drinks' It describes what is said to be a very promising treatment for the treatment of...
  • @Alden
    I don’t have diabetes and I’m not even chubby, I’m normal thin.

    One of the more ridiculous things about all this inane diet advice and obsession is that the diet gurus and even medical people make no distinction between

    1 diabetes both child and adult onset
    2 obesity including morbid obesity
    3 various degrees of chubby ness

    Diabetes is a disease and is absolutely totally different from obesity and overweight.

    But the diet gurus have the naive and gullible population convinced that overweight leads to diabetes.

    If you have diabetes I’m sure you know that diabetics 1 & 2 are supposed to follow a high protein high fat low carb diet.

    The latest nonsense is that everyone is
    Pre adult onset diabetic and must follow the latest diet, a diet that often contradicts the standard high protein, high fat low carb diet that is supposed for diabetics

    I don’t have diabetes and I’m not even chubby, I’m normal thin.

    So you have no personal experience dealing with diabetes. You just know that doctors have it right, and the standard high protein low carb diet works for everyone. If doctors knew what caused diabetes, we would not have an epidemic of it.

    The latest nonsense is that everyone is
    Pre adult onset diabetic and must follow the latest diet, a diet that often contradicts the standard high protein, high fat low carb diet that is supposed for diabetics

    I guess you disagree, but my point is that there is no one diet that will reverse diabetes for everyone: neither standard nor fad. We are all different, and we metabolize nutrients in slightly different ways. That is why we have so many contradictory diets.

    What I did was use my meter and rotate my diet to find that dairy products and fructose containing foods were contributing to my diabetes. I also took Igg blood allergy tests, and cutting out foods I was allergic to helped. I don’t need the drugs and insulin my doctor wanted me to take. I eat lots of potatoes.

    It takes some intelligence and strength of character to ignore those who insist they know what I should eat. Food allergies and careful weaning have gone out of fashion. It is amazing how much hostility comes out when I say milk and honey make me ill.

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  • @Alden
    I admit to mo empathy for the food propaganda created by Jolly Green Giant, Pillsbury Mills, and the wheat and grain farmers .

    Some people will believe anything.

    Ummm by the time carbs, any carbs including fruits and vegetables get through the GI tract into the blood steam they are one and all turned into glucose.

    No. They are a mixture of maltose, glucose, fructose, and galactose when they are absorbed into the blood.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestion#Carbohydrate_digestion

    Glucose is glucose, whether it enters the mouth as plain white or brown sugar, a cheap or expensive candy bar, or an organic pesticide free raised vegetable or whole grain bread from a health food store.

    Sugar is sucrose which is digested into 50% glucose and 50% fructose. A candy bar is mostly fat, and American bread contains sugar. All of these things matter.

    Take a physiology course.

    I did, along with biochemistry and biology. Because of genetic diversity, we each have different food intolerances. Those intolerances are what caused my diabetes. But my diet probably will not cure your diabetes. Vegan works for some, low-carb works for many, Mediterannean for others. I have to avoid fructose and galactose.

    The only diet that will cure everyone is starvation, and that has uh, unpleasant side effects.

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    By the time it gets into the blood stream it’s all glucose.
    , @Alden
    I don’t have diabetes and I’m not even chubby, I’m normal thin.

    One of the more ridiculous things about all this inane diet advice and obsession is that the diet gurus and even medical people make no distinction between

    1 diabetes both child and adult onset
    2 obesity including morbid obesity
    3 various degrees of chubby ness

    Diabetes is a disease and is absolutely totally different from obesity and overweight.

    But the diet gurus have the naive and gullible population convinced that overweight leads to diabetes.

    If you have diabetes I’m sure you know that diabetics 1 & 2 are supposed to follow a high protein high fat low carb diet.

    The latest nonsense is that everyone is
    Pre adult onset diabetic and must follow the latest diet, a diet that often contradicts the standard high protein, high fat low carb diet that is supposed for diabetics
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  • Last week, I wrote about the 10 ways in which life in Russia is better than America. Now it's time for Uncle Sam to have his due.   Typical Moscow sleeper suburb. Although Russian prices are 2x cheaper than America's, the blunt fact is that wages are also 4x-5x lower. Consequently, the standard of living...
  • @Mr. Hack

    the 1930s were good times. Every summer she drove across the country in her Ford picking up starving male hitchhikers. She brought them to Washington DC to cocaine and sex parties in the White House.
     
    Oh do, pray tell more: 'inquiring minds want to know' - somehow, this chapter regarding the Roosevelt presidency, I missed, during even my college coursework days?...

    Oh do, pray tell more: ‘inquiring minds want to know’ – somehow, this chapter regarding the Roosevelt presidency, I missed, during even my college coursework days?…

    There is quite a lot about the Roosevelt presidency was wasn’t covered in your coursework.

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    That's probably very true, but the only stories that currently interest me are the ones that you've had direct exposure to you from your own grandmother. It sound like the basis for some sort of 1950 cult movie like 'Reefer Madness':

    When I asked her about the depression, my grandmother claimed the 1930s were good times. Every summer she drove across the country in her Ford picking up starving male hitchhikers. She brought them to Washington DC to cocaine and sex parties in the White House.

     

    Maybe your own imagination has been influenced by a little too much...'Mary Jane' comrade? :-)

    https://youtu.be/PLuNx1fYKtY

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  • @Ron Unz

    Or was it? There is a theory that 7 million Americans starved to death during Great Depression, and the government completely covered it up, what the local conspirologists think about it?
     
    Well, I suppose that anything is possible. But I've recently been merging my system containing millions of pages of old print periodicals with this website, and anyone can easily browse the 1930s and 1940s archives of The Communist, The New Masses, The Nation, and The New Republic, all Communist or Communist-leaning. You can also explore vociferously anti-government publications of the Right such as Social Justice.

    http://www.unz.com/print/Communist/

    http://www.unz.com/print/NewMasses/

    http://www.unz.com/print/SocialJustice/

    If all these periodicals were endlessly denouncing the US government for every possible reason, but none of them had happened to notice that 7 million Americans starved to death during that period, that horrific tragedy must have been *very* well concealed...

    If all these periodicals were endlessly denouncing the US government for every possible reason, but none of them had happened to notice that 7 million Americans starved to death during that period, that horrific tragedy must have been *very* well concealed

    Why were there so many soup kitchens, if people were not starving?

    My grandmother was a professed card-carrying communist in the 1930s. She bought a new Ford in 1930 and drove across the USA. She ended up at a party in Albany hosted by Eleanor Roosevelt. They became friends.

    When I asked her about the depression, my grandmother claimed the 1930s were good times. Every summer she drove across the country in her Ford picking up starving male hitchhikers. She brought them to Washington DC to cocaine and sex parties in the White House.

    In socialism everything is political. She believed that socialists had to support the government. A strong government was necessary to build a dictatorship of the proletariat: a military dictatorship that would support communist theory.

    Most communists supported the Roosevelt administration, and they refused to countenance inconvenient facts about the government.

    It is a sad fact that our medical doctors do not recognize malnutrition when they see it. Only the most severe cases of starvation are counted. More likely for a person becomes ill from malnutrition and then his life enters a downward spiral that ends in some disease whose root cause is long term malnutrition.

    Publications on the right would not want to point out any failures of capitalism.

    I don’t know if there were seven million, but it is clear that some did starve (and some starve today). The MSM wasn’t any better then than it is now. At least we have the internet.

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    the 1930s were good times. Every summer she drove across the country in her Ford picking up starving male hitchhikers. She brought them to Washington DC to cocaine and sex parties in the White House.
     
    Oh do, pray tell more: 'inquiring minds want to know' - somehow, this chapter regarding the Roosevelt presidency, I missed, during even my college coursework days?...
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  • If the first months of 2017 were a time of great hopes following the historical defeat of Hillary Clinton, the year is ending in a sombre, almost menacing manner. Not only has the swamp easily, quickly and totally drowned Trump, but the AngloZionist Empire is reeling from its humiliating defeat in Syria and the Neocons...
  • @Brother Nathanael Kapner
    I'm glad I was able to clarify for you Saker's ambiguous term, "Anglo-Zionist," although it was my intent to show that the term is unintelligible.

    But no need to thank me, I'm not looking for brownie points. Saker could save his readers a lot of perplexity by just naming the JEW.

    Is that so hard? Phil Giraldi does it all the time without having to use a FAKE name like Saker so-and-so.

    And allow me to clarify another point to un-confuse you.

    If Jews crucified Christ (which they did) and called down a curse upon themselves and their progeny--known by Jews as the "Deicidal Curse" (I grew up as a Jew)--then INDEED Jews are at the center of history.

    All of history unfolds from Christ's crucifixion and resurrection. Not a single "Anglo-Zionist" was there.

    +Brother Nathanael @ http://www.realjewnews.com/

    (I grew up as a Jew)

    Thank you for clarifying my point.

    All of history unfolds from Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection.

    As if pagan Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Hindu and Chinese writers never existed.

    Not a single “Anglo-Zionist” was there.

    No one has suggested that Anglo-Zionism existed in the first century.

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  • @Brother Nathanael Kapner
    Why does Mr Saker use the term "Anglo-Zionist?"

    Does he mean that Brits have a double personality?
    Does he mean that Anglo-Saxons support Israel?
    Does he mean that the center of the Zionist project is in England?

    Why can't he simply say the JEW word? For fear of the Jews?

    If we don't name the JEW we get nowhere. What's Saker afraid of? He's already using a fake name.

    Why the veil over the real warmongers? Didn't Philip Giraldi state that American Jewry is pushing US wars? (http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/)

    C'mon Saker, it's no so hard once you practice a bit. Open your mouth and say JEW. Then write it down a few times.

    You'll get the feel for freedom. Once you get the feel for it you'll never be the same.

    +Brother Nathanael KAPNER @ http://www.realjewnews.com/

    Speaking for myself:

    Why does Mr Saker use the term “Anglo-Zionist?”

    Because that is what he means. Jews are not the center of the problem.

    Does he mean that Brits have a double personality?

    Yes.

    Does he mean that Anglo-Saxons support Israel?

    Overwhelmingly.

    Does he mean that the center of the Zionist project is in England?

    Quite possible. The Church of England adopted fundamentalist interpretations of the Old Testament a long time ago. Rabbis sometimes send Jew wannabes (those without a Jewish mother) there to get the proper indoctrination about Jewish miracles.

    Why can’t he simply say the JEW word? For fear of the Jews?

    Because he doesn’t place Jews at the center of world history, which is where they want to put themselves. You want to put them there too, Bro Nathaniel. Which brings to mind some interesting questions about the nature of your work.

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    I'm glad I was able to clarify for you Saker's ambiguous term, "Anglo-Zionist," although it was my intent to show that the term is unintelligible.

    But no need to thank me, I'm not looking for brownie points. Saker could save his readers a lot of perplexity by just naming the JEW.

    Is that so hard? Phil Giraldi does it all the time without having to use a FAKE name like Saker so-and-so.

    And allow me to clarify another point to un-confuse you.

    If Jews crucified Christ (which they did) and called down a curse upon themselves and their progeny--known by Jews as the "Deicidal Curse" (I grew up as a Jew)--then INDEED Jews are at the center of history.

    All of history unfolds from Christ's crucifixion and resurrection. Not a single "Anglo-Zionist" was there.

    +Brother Nathanael @ http://www.realjewnews.com/
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  • The new Video presentation system first announced ten days ago has been fully released, now with commenting enabled and 10,000 additional Videos, along with a couple of new Channels, and various other features. (1) Popular YouTuber RamZPaul has decided to make The Review the "home base" for his Video distribution, this becoming our first "in...
  • Well, you are miles ahead of me, then. Cuz I do not even know what “usenet” is.

    Usenet is an early internet protocol (NNTP or “news”) that prevents censorship except in especially designated “moderated” interest groups (“newsgroups”). You can post or reply to anything anonymously. It became flooded with inconvenient voices and pornography that offended people and governments around the world. The possibility of leaking secrets had the PTB in panic. It was impossible to shut it down, so various parties began flooding it with meaningless garbage. A few newsgroups are still useful, but most people find it hard to separate the posts they are interested in from the nonsense. It is not very popular any more. Ironically some moderation appears to be necessary to allow free exchange of ideas.

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  • The Left dominates the culture, but it does not (yet) completely control it—hence, for example, the War On Christmas Resistance, Gamergate, and of course the election of Donald J. Trump. Now Star Wars Episode VIII (The Last Jedi), released in mid-December to resounding applause from Main Stream Media reviewers is tanking, well behind the 2015...
  • @Sergey Krieger
    I did not know Star wars was sci fi. Interestingly, they do not even try to make movies based upon Azimov especially Foundation series. Star Wars original book is unreadable. Total garbage. I tried to read it long time ago without much success.

    Interestingly, they do not even try to make movies based upon Azimov especially Foundation series.

    What about I Robot?

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  • If the first months of 2017 were a time of great hopes following the historical defeat of Hillary Clinton, the year is ending in a sombre, almost menacing manner. Not only has the swamp easily, quickly and totally drowned Trump, but the AngloZionist Empire is reeling from its humiliating defeat in Syria and the Neocons...
  • @Cyrano
    I don’t think that the Ukronazis can do it by themselves, though. How about some help from the Croat Nazis for the Ukronazis? Like the last time, remember? When the Croat Nazis helped their colleagues = the German Nazis lose at Stalingrad:

    http://www.axishistory.com/axis-nations/4461-infanterie-regiment-369-kroatisches

    Remember the thing called Comintern? The communist international? I think it’s time for the formation of Nazintern – the Nazi international, where like minded people can come together and fight the commie legacy.

    Remember the thing called Comintern? The communist international? I think it’s time for the formation of Nazintern – the Nazi international, where like minded people can come together and fight the commie legacy.

    The thought makes me giddy, but isn’t Nazintern what Americans did to Germans and Japanese in WWII? Imagine the possibilities for a new INSDWKAP (International National Socialist German World Capitalist Workers Party) movement. To English speakers it would sound like insidious capo. Hollywood would make movies glorifying it.

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  • @Liza
    @HuMiYu. Tks for your reply. I didn't know that this question was answered before. As I understand it, the author of an article is not required to read or answer any questions when their articles are published on unz. So, why should any author object? Some commenters will agree, others will disagree, so what is so objectionable about that.

    While I'm here, I do disagree with a couple of things that P.C.R. said but was hardly intending to crucify him for his opinions, as I do like his writing in general. I think he maybe can't stand anyone publicy, or even privately, disagreeing with him.

    As to Guardian, I don't read that publication or very little else that could be described as "mainstream" or "popular" and am not interested in challenging their commenting policy. All I know that is the vast majority of articles on unz welcome comments - as far as I can tell, anyway.

    So, why should any author object? Some commenters will agree, others will disagree, so what is so objectionable about that.

    Because of the time involved. Most of the authors here are very patient, but too much public attention can be a curse. I don’t think the authors here are paid much if anything. My guess is they come here to promote other ventures.

    I recall showing off the early internet to someone of a certain ethnicity about forty years ago. He instinctively knew what to do with it. He loved to look for someone he didn’t like and “mail bomb ‘em”. Catholics were at the top of the list of people he didn’t like.

    I haven’t been here long enough to see if the problem is increasing or decreasing, but I do see flame wars, trolling, spamming, and suspected bots in some comments. This is what is killing usenet. Thankfully Ron provides us with a filter so that we don’t need to see repetitive obnoxious posters. A good usenet reader can do the same, but most people are not savvy enough to find one and use it.

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    Well, you are miles ahead of me, then. Cuz I do not even know what "usenet" is. I have heard of it but don't understand what they are talking about. All I know is that PC Roberts said something really dumb and I want to tell him he is wrong, in a polite way because I never address people in a stupid or violent way. Because if I do, they'll come back with both barrels.

    That's it. C'est ca.
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  • @Liza
    How come we can't comment on Paul C. Roberts' column on “The Feminist Threat to Men and Women”? Whose idea was this?

    How come we can’t comment on Paul C. Roberts’ column on “The Feminist Threat to Men and Women”? Whose idea was this?

    Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this question has been answered before.
    The individual authors have the right to read/answer/reject comments. This is a fair amount of work. PCR does not allow comments as a matter of policy.

    Maybe you should ask the Guardian why they do not allow comments on inflammatory radical feminist articles and reject off message comments as “whataboutery”.

    https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/whataboutery-from-ambedkar-to-armageddon-principles-and-pitfalls

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    @HuMiYu. Tks for your reply. I didn't know that this question was answered before. As I understand it, the author of an article is not required to read or answer any questions when their articles are published on unz. So, why should any author object? Some commenters will agree, others will disagree, so what is so objectionable about that.

    While I'm here, I do disagree with a couple of things that P.C.R. said but was hardly intending to crucify him for his opinions, as I do like his writing in general. I think he maybe can't stand anyone publicy, or even privately, disagreeing with him.

    As to Guardian, I don't read that publication or very little else that could be described as "mainstream" or "popular" and am not interested in challenging their commenting policy. All I know that is the vast majority of articles on unz welcome comments - as far as I can tell, anyway.
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  • ‘Twas the week before Christmas / And all through the nation / We’re waiting for government / To control immigration. It’s been a year of a Republican President with a Republican Congress, and nothing’s been done. Well, not quite nothing. I’m reading good things about interior enforcement; Trump’s travel bans were a step forward towards...
  • @jilles dykstra
    https://kenfm.de/propaganda/

    Vergessen wir nie: Der Feind sitzt weder in russischen Mietwohnungen noch in deutschen Asylbewerberheimen. Er lebt nicht in ostdeutschen Plattenbauten oder westdeutschen Arbeitersiedlungen. Er sitzt auch nicht einer KenFM-Redaktion, die den so notwendigen offenen Diskurs unter Kapitalismus-Kritikern zulässt.

    Der wirkliche Feind hat ein großes Interesse daran, dass wir uns gegenseitig bekriegen. Dass wir nicht mehr über Auswege aus Herrschaft und Unterdrückung diskutieren. Dass wir keine politisch-ökonomische Bildung erlangen. Der wirkliche Feind sitzt oben – immer.

    Even in Germany eyes are going open.

    Translation of the last paragraph:
    The real enemy is interested in strife between us with one another.
    So that we do not discuss solutions to liberate ourselves from rule and domination. That we do not become political - economic education.
    The real enemy is above us - always.

    The German establishment did anything to prevent that Ken Jebsen, formerly a well known tv presentator, who was fired, an 'antisemite', recently became a prize for best journalism.
    His site is financed just by donations.

    Vergessen wir nie: Der Feind sitzt weder in russischen Mietwohnungen noch in deutschen Asylbewerberheimen. Er lebt nicht in ostdeutschen Plattenbauten oder westdeutschen Arbeitersiedlungen. Er sitzt auch nicht einer KenFM-Redaktion, die den so notwendigen offenen Diskurs unter Kapitalismus-Kritikern zulässt.

    Der wirkliche Feind hat ein großes Interesse daran, dass wir uns gegenseitig bekriegen. Dass wir nicht mehr über Auswege aus Herrschaft und Unterdrückung diskutieren. Dass wir keine politisch-ökonomische Bildung erlangen. Der wirkliche Feind sitzt oben – immer.

    A possibly better translation:

    Never forget: The enemy sits neither in Russian rental apartments nor in German refugee housing. He doesn’t live in east German prefabs for the poor nor in west German (guest?) worker colonies. He also does not sit as an editor of KenFM (alternative) radio that allows necessary public discussion among critics of capitalism.

    The true enemy’s big interest is that we fight among ourselves. That we no longer discuss alternatives to rulers and oppression. That we gain no political-economic education. The true enemy lies above — always.

    According to Wikipedia, KenFM also puts out an English language program called “The Missing Link.”

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  • My recent analysis of the potential consequences of a US attack on the DPRK has elicited a wide range of reactions. There is one type of reaction which I find particularly interesting and most important and I would like to focus on it today: the ones which entirely dismissed my whole argument. The following is...
  • @peterAUS
    Merry Christmas to some.

    During choir, I kept sliding into the "nuke option" here.
    Yes, I know, not quite the moment for that type of thoughts, but, maybe I had a sort of revelation.
    The Cathedral can have that effect on people.

    Anyway....the "nuke option".
    Or, The Problem.

    This is how I see it:

    Say, the estimate is that the Fatso will have that nuclear tipped ICMB in 12 months.
    As always, hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
    So, the generals are told to be ready to start in 10 months. Date etc.

    The effort to resolve the situation without much of a shooting starts.
    I'll leave that out of this; Erebus mentioned something along those lines here and elsewhere.
    Now, (re)positioning of war resources starts also now and it is a part of overall effort. A pressure if you will.

    Say, 10. months from now no real progress.
    The decision to resolve the issue by armed conflict is made by NCA.
    At that moment, something civilians just do not get, The Machine "CLICKS".
    That "click" has its own rules; those rules don't have much with "civilian life" rules and are, actually, quite different. That's why a recruit goes into boot camp and an officer through an academy.
    To make them able to operate within that "click" without much thinking.
    That applies to all people in uniform, up to the Chairman of Joint Chiefs/whatever.
    Doubts, debates, pros and cons....they don't work anymore. The Machine is ticking....and military justice is a part it.

    And, there is another element,a big one.
    The war own logic.

    All plans and preparations can, today, be made in minute detail. Still, as soon as the first shot in anger is fired the God of War (for a lack of better name) takes over.
    Military personnel try to follow him.
    Civilians aren't there anymore. Or at least all those committees, commentators, lobbyist, Senate hearings, media...blah...blah...

    It's like, on a very low level:
    We sit with a couple of local politicians, their assistants and assorted media and politely listen to them. They are the power, a couple of us simply their tools. We know our place.
    Then The Order comes from above. "CLICK". Everything changes.
    A couple of us start executing what we are supposed to do and those civilians are escorted, fast, out of the area. If they start mouthing of you give them a look. If they don't get the message they get dragged out. If they start yelling they get bagged up, tossed in a truck and driven out.

    Now, of course, you can't treat Senators exactly like that, but.....same principle applies.
    The Senators, media, whatever aren't in Combat Centers.

    So, that "CLICK" is something that's missing in all this "war this war that thing".

    Nuclear option.
    As a part of the plan a list of targets for nuclear weapons will be made. Nothing much, yields up to, probably, 20 KTs.
    Now, being a "Cold War relic" actually helps here.
    We, relics, had those calculations done in all exercises; each and every exercise (except SF types) was done with use of nuclear weapons.
    Time has passed and I forgot what's required type/yield for certain targets and weapons have changed too. So, don't hold me on those 20 KTs.
    So, can be anything from 0.2 to 20 KTs I guess.

    Now, the most important.
    That list will be given to both Chinese and Russians.
    "This is what we plan to do if the Fatso detonates any of his toys, so YOU know. We'll keep everything tactical and will keep you posted with all details before, during and after the delivery. We'll keep all that nuclear stuff CONTAINED there. YOU don't need to worry; consequently, WE don't need to worry about YOU. And, of course, human race doesn't need to worry about three of us. At least not this time".

    And, then, the best part.
    Chinese "leak" that to some parts of Norks power structure.
    The Fatso is out in a second and all goes back to normal. NK becomes, de facto, Chinese protectorat with strong international presence.
    70 % probability.

    Or not.
    Then, the conventional war starts.
    Some within Norks power structure see the writing on the wall, the Fatso is out and everything is, sort, back to normal. In this scenario I see China as a main facilitator in North Korea (excluding, say, that artillery belt but let's not get bogged in details).
    20 % probability.

    Or not.
    A nuclear device is detonated by Norks.
    Everything of any military/political strategic/operational significance is obliterated by US delivered nukes. The end.
    The following human tragedy is handled by China and South Korea with US help.
    9 % probability.


    That remaining 1 % is SHTF scenario when the God of War and human error cause an escalation and the world goes M.A.D ( or at least madder than it is now).

    When Sanity Fails......

    When sanity fails, perhaps it is time to restore sanity. Big explosions are impressive to outsiders, but they are not effective weapons. The bomb was ready for D-day, but the military had no use for it. Here is an excerpt from an unpublished manuscript of mine from about ten years ago. It is a semi-fictional biography of someone named Kasper who may resemble me…

    By the time the B-29s were ready, Germany had long since surrendered. Japanese surrender had to be stalled so the US could claim the program was a success. The nuclear eggplant was an expensive white elephant.

    After the war was over, newspapers printed stories about how wealthy and happy Americans all were. But Americans saw the value of their savings shrink to forty cents on the dollar by 1960 (and eight cents today). Meanwhile the maximum three percent income tax which was introduced to pay for World War I ballooned to ninety-five percent. These unrealistic wartime taxes combined with inflation and controlled interest rates to destroy the middle class in America. The situation remained for decades. America’s war machine effectively criminalized all private economic activity except for those with political connections in Washington. Most Americans in Kasper’s grandparents generation were ruined. Before World War II inflation and income tax were practically unknown in the US. No one planned for them.

    Mass migrations caused by economic shifts destroyed the extended family after the war. We were left with the nuclear family. There were no uncles, aunts, or grandparents to rescue children from a parent’s inability or anger. The war industry took the fathers. The feds drugged them so they would forget secrets, but they also forgot their families. Daddy never came home any more. America was left with single parent thermonuclear families. When mama went to work, America became a nation of orphans. The feds swooped down on America and took everything. They disinherited us and invested our grandparent’s life savings in monster eggplants.

    Washington insiders became obsessed with the secret of the eggplant. Enthusiastic politicians invited VIPs from all over the world to what can only be described as eggplant parties. Like chimpanzees with firecrackers they showed off their biggest booms. They might as well have stuck out their tongues and taunted “You can’t do this, because you don’t know how!

    Once the delusion that Americans wanted nuclear weapons had set in, the irrational conviction that everyone wanted them quickly followed. Much has been made of a supposed German eggplant, but the entire supply of uranium in Germany during the war was not enough to build even one of the new weapons. The German approach to nuclear energy was measured and rational. Their reactor was a research vehicle just large enough to observe and measure fission products, but small enough that a self-sustaining chain reaction could never occur.

    As the famous German physicist W. Heisenberg wrote in 1947 [9]:

    We have often been asked, not only by Germans but also by Britons and Americans, why Germany made no attempt to produce atom bombs. The simplest answer one can give to the question is this: because the project could not have succeeded … even in America, with its much greater resources in scientific men, technicians and industrial potential, and with an economy undisturbed by enemy action, the bomb was not ready until after the conclusion of the war…

    The technical details were discovered by Germans. Many recognized the danger and tried to keep it secret. Word leaked out anyway. The secret of the eggplant was first published in a 1937 spy novel [10] by British author Eric Ambler. In an author’s note included as a preface to the 1973 edition of his book Ambler explains:

    I lay no claim to special prescience. With some scientific education and access to academic journals, I had read about the early work of Rutherford, Cockroft and Chadwick in the field, and understood some of its implications… The difficulties of producing substances like enriched uranium, and the enormous resources, economic and industrial, that would be needed to overcome them, were factors I was able to ignore because I was unaware of their existence.

    Any moderately intelligent person current with scientific activity in the 1930s knew the eggplant was coming. The United States didn’t invent it; America was just the first nation stupid enough to build it. It was Port Chicago, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and above all the eggplant parties that revealed the only secret there was. But there was no way to tell Washington bureaucrats that they had already given everything away with their childish demonstrations and four color brochures.

    Once America began demonstrating how the eggplant worked, other nations rushed to build more of them. After forty-five years of trying to keep up with the US, the leaders of the Soviet Union recognized some fundamental truths. We cannot eat nuclear eggplant. It does not protect us from the rain and snow. We cannot back our currency with it. It does not even defend us from our enemies.

    Eggplant materials undergo radioactive decay, which means that stockpiles must be constantly reprocessed. This is expensive and dangerous. Washington spooks passed around the rumor that the US spent the Russians into bankruptcy. Americans do not dare ask what Washington’s overspending has done to the United States.

    Nuclear eggplants were no secret, but the bureaucratic delusion that there was a secret to keep created jobs for those who knew no better. Anyone with any connection to the eggplant was investigated over and over again. The web of blackmail and extortion used on displaced European scientists was a forgotten secret. The socially beautiful Washington elite decided that low class German techno-weenies had grown the eggplant all by themselves. Now they were being disloyal by giving America’s secrets away to other countries.

    To politicians and security people who had no idea how eggplant worked, it was something that America had invented. They were determined to keep that secret at all costs. Yet there was no secret to keep. Eggplant was brought to America by European scientists in the 1930s. Their colleagues who remained in Europe had the same education as Einstein, Szilard, and Fermi. All America’s superheros could do was attack those who knew more than they did. They did not know much.

    The basis of the eggplant is a phenomenon known as nuclear fission. This was first observed by the German physicist Otto Hahn who received a Nobel Prize for the discovery. Apparently he delayed publication until the Italian physicist Enrico Fermi published similar data in 1938. Meanwhile he was able to separate the fission products and weigh them. He took note of the missing mass. The German government would never have allowed him to publish, so Hahn sent news of the chain reaction in uranium to his Jewish associate Lisa Meitner (also spelled Mietner) who had recently emigrated from Germany to Sweden. She published the results with his approval, and she brought them to the attention of Dr. Szilard. Szilard, in turn, brought the information to the famous Dr. Einstein.

    Many times I argued directly with the Washington spooks who seemed to pop up at parties and gatherings everywhere I went. Facts, logic, and normal human sympathy fail them; in the end they respond with words that could easily come from the most callous war criminals: “But I love my job. I love my job.

    [9] Heisenberg, W. Nuclear Physics Philosophical Library, New York. 1953. (in the appendix)

    [10] Ambler, Eric: The Dark Frontier, 1937. Second edition 1973.

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  • Two blocks from my front door, there are two signs in a house window, “FASCIST SCUM YOUR TIME IS DONE,” “WHITE SUPREMACY IS TERRORISM.” Seeing them, my 71-year-old friend, Felix, snarled, “I feel like throwing a rock through that window! How dare he comes into this neighborhood and calls us Fascists!” Interesting, Felix’ immediate assumption...
  • @Johann
    President Eisenhower hit the nail on the head when he warned us of the increasing power of MIC, the military industrial complex. As a five star general and president he was in the position to know how far the war makers had gone with their “Cold War” and their so called wars to save the world for democracy. Too bad Ike did not have his wake up call sooner but then he would have wound up with a bullet in his head. Too bad that the poor and uneducated still make up the bulk of the cannon fodder while the privileged and Ivy educated rake in the bucks from the permanent war economy.

    Ehh Ike was a War Criminal he starve millions of Germans in Camps after the War.
    But I do agree the Cold War was for the MIC/CIA

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  • At the tail end of the Cold War, there was an incredible atmosphere of Americanophilia throughout the USSR, including amongst Russians. Blue - approve of USA; orange - disapprove. Around 75%-80% of Russians approved of the United States around 1990, versus <10% disapproval. By modern standards, this would have put Russia into the top leagues...
  • @Art Deco
    Thanks for the catch. Now, back to his contention, which was that the Iran-Iraq War was some kind of U.S. initiative. It wasn't, and the TOW missiles and helicopeters would have been acquired by Iraq during the period running from 1985 to 1988, five to eight years after the war began (and when red haze types like Fred Halliday were predicting some sort of disaster derived from an Iraqi military collapse).

    What's amusing about these dealings they had with the Reagan Administration is that the usual red haze / Anointed types in this country repurpose it into an argument which holds the U.S. government responsible for Iraq's various depredations during 1990 and 1991. (American manufacturers sold them pesticides they dumped on Kurdish villages and April Glaspie didn't flash the right gang signs, etc).

    Now, back to his contention, which was that the Iran-Iraq War was some kind of U.S. initiative.

    No. That is not what I said. I said we “encouraged and supported” Iraq in the war with Iran. Andrei Martyanov above has adequately supported this point.

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  • @Art Deco
    The Russians told you there was no need to invade Iraq. The Germans told you there was no need to invade Iraq. The French told you there was no need to invade Iraq. The Turks told you there was no need to invade Iraq. The sensible British told you there was no need to invade Iraq,

    The sensible British were a co-operating force in invading Iraq. As for the rest, they all have their shticks and interests (and no, I don't stipulate that you've characterized their opinion correctly either).

    The sensible British were a co-operating force in invading Iraq.

    I am surprised no one has brought up the issue of slant drilling from Kuwait into Iraq:

    http://rense.com/general3/slant.htm

    The British had an investment in Kuwait that they wanted to protect. When they took possession of the disputed fields, the Iraqi case became moot.

    Also insupportable debt run up by Iraq to Kuwait that was run up during the Iraq/Iran war. The US encouraged and supported the Iraqi side, but the war bankrupted the Iraqis.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Kuwait

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    The US encouraged and supported the Iraqi side, but the war bankrupted the Iraqis.

    Iraq started the war in 1980 for its own reasons. Iran maintained for some time a non-negotiable insistence that the war was on until Saddam was gone. The U.S. had no relationship with Iraq prior to 1985, not even exchanging ambassadors. After diplomatic relations were restored, they received some agricultural credits and some intelligence information. That's it.
    , @Art Deco
    I am surprised no one has brought up the issue of slant drilling from Kuwait into Iraq:

    You forgot to give us the John Birch Society's take.
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  • As mentioned, I've been absorbed during most of 2017 in building several new software systems that I'm now trying to release by the end of the year. Last week, I presented for initial testing my new Print Archives, containing the published works of over 400,000 authors and the complete archives of some 200 prominent periodicals...
  • @Wade
    Can you provide the link now?

    A couple of other things…

    If you should happen to run across a backup somewhere, the page looks at first as if there is nothing significant on it. You have to scroll down to find the video.

    Also the interaction with wayfarer was in two different threads. The topic came up in a second thread, and I copied his links from the first.

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  • @Wade
    Can you provide the link now?

    This is what I wrote in the other thread on October 7, 2017 at 8:38 pm GMT.

    Here is another independent video with sound. Not as clear as the taxi driver’s, but clear enough to hear two shooters and two different locations. The taxi stand must have been very near that fourth floor window.

    https://8ch.net/pol/res/10722835.html

    Parenthetically the search function did not work to find this. It seems limited to displaying one page. Second and subsequent pages are dead links. I was able to click on my handle and find all my comments listed there.

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  • Introduction Clearly the pendulum has swung to the right in the past few years. Numerous questions arise. What kind of right? How far right? How did they gain power? What is their appeal? How sustainable are the right wing regimes? Who are their international allies and adversaries? Having taken power, how have the rightist regimes...
  • The terms “left” and “right” in a political sense come from the French revolution where deputies were arranged in according to their support for their king. Without a common king or some agreed-upon pole the they lack meaning.

    There are many more political dimensions than just left vs right, for example: monarchist vs republican, egalitarian vs hierarchical, liberal vs conservative, libertarian vs necessitarian, socialist vs capitalist, centralized vs devolved, globalist vs protectionist, traditionalist vs bohemian. Each of us has our own perspective and projects these into our own experiences. The left vs right axis is convenient for manipulation, because each person in the audience interprets it differently. It reduces politics to bipolar hostility that exalts demagogues and suppresses constructive debate.

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    Thanks. You saved me typing time. Aka ask 100 people what left and right is and you get dozens of answers.
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  • First, the bragging dummies Trump and Haley are still at it. The want to force China to take action against the DPRK by threatening to take North Korea "into their hands" if China refuses to comply. Haley said “But to be clear, China can do more, (...) and we're putting as much pressure on them...
  • @Z-man
    Bottom line chicken shit, if Yung Fat Kim gets missiles that can accurately hit the US, game over and the regime must be removed. We won't have to put any marines in there, just a few Army units backing up the South Koreans. Our missile and air attacks should be more than enough to make Fat Kim capitulate.

    We won’t have to put any marines in there, just a few Army units backing up the South Koreans.

    You write as if the South Koreans are barking and tugging on their leash waiting for our orders. That is disgusting. Are you on drugs?

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    Never took any. If the South Koreans wont fight and the North still develops it's nuclear arsenal then we will use our air and sea power to kill that threat with the nuclear option always there if the conventional weapons don't work.
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  • “Watergate” Carl Bernstein pleasantly surprised me last May by agreeing that widespread use of the “anti-immigrant” mantra often reflected careless journalism. Since our brief exchange at Vienna’s Concordia Press Club coffee bar, news organizations have been applying the term promiscuously to characterize Austria’s newly elected coalition government, sworn in on December 18th. Bernstein, whose talk...
  • @Andy osnard
    Schon früh schickte ich einen Glückwunschbrief an Präsident Kurtz und wünschte ihm und seiner schönen Frau viel Erfolg. Meine Frau und ich werden bald nach Kitzbühel Österreich reisen, um unsere Jahre zu leben. Das deutsche Volk wird bald einen solchen wie Herrn Kurtz finden, der den Verräter Merkel ersetzt.

    Dein Wort in Gottes Ohr!

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  • The recent engagement of Britain’s Prince Harry to a mixed-race actress of Black and Jewish origins has delivered something of a propaganda coup to the promoters of miscegenation. It’s been hailed as a “great day for interracial relationships and mixed race girls everywhere.” It’s been claimed that it will “change Britain’s relationship with race forever.”...
  • @Heros
    In a racially homogeneous society every child born of mixed race is as just as bad for the group as an immigrant of different race.

    These mixed breeds can never by part of the whole, because as soon as the whole is stressed it becomes clear that they are different from the rest of it. They will always remain a thorn in the side of the real identifying group.

    In the 10 commandments number 8 is "Thou shall not commit adultery". In this case adultery does not mean sex outside of marriage, it means miscegenation. Successive translations of the bible have deliberately obscured this true meaning.

    England is lost. It fought on the wrong side in 2 successive world wars because the landed gentry had already sold out hundreds of years prior (first by Cromwell) and interbred with the jewish invaders who eventually took over control of England and are now deliberately destroying is people, its culture and its history.

    In the 10 commandments number 8 is “Thou shall not commit adultery”. In this case adultery does not mean sex outside of marriage, it means miscegenation. Successive translations of the bible have deliberately obscured this true meaning.

    And the fifth is thou shalt not kill.

    According to at least one Yeshiva student fluent in Hebrew, what “to kill” really means here is “to butcher uncleanly”. Jews are commanded to eat only kosher meat. It has nothing to do with murder.

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    Not so. From Hebrew, there are arguments for translating it as “thou shalt not kill” (homicide of any kind, justified or excused or not) or as “though shalt not murder (commit morally unjustified and unsecured criminal homocide):

    http://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/001102_ThouShaltNotMurder.html
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  • First, the bragging dummies Trump and Haley are still at it. The want to force China to take action against the DPRK by threatening to take North Korea "into their hands" if China refuses to comply. Haley said “But to be clear, China can do more, (...) and we're putting as much pressure on them...
  • @peterAUS
    Twilight zone.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB50CJDcg84
    Unbelievable.......unfuckingbelievable.

    45:32.........my God.....
    Is this fucking real?!

    Is there an inside joke there I just don't get ?

    What kind of...society..is that?

    What's wrong with these people?
    How can one....reduce...a man to that?

    Them having nuclear tipped ICBMs!?!

    Terrible.

    That video reminds me of American WWII propaganda films. In particular I remember one Movietone newsreel that had American soldiers cheering Eisenhower in Germany. As a young boy that impressed me, but then my father pointed out that soldiers cheer whenever they are ordered to. He had many interesting things to say about Eisenhower until he was put in the trunk of a car and driven to Canada where he was tortured for six weeks by Dr. Cameron as part of the MK_ULTRA program. After this treatment he had amnesia, and he tended to answer questions by shouting “Go jump in the lake!”

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  • From Google: From Bing: From DuckDuckGo: The good news is that Google's Boxed Warning from the Anti-Criticism League probably doesn't much matter because if you type in "unz review" (instead of "what is the unz review") you'll get the, you know, Unz Review as the first choice and the ADL's warning about the Unz Review...
  • @James Speaks
    This raises the question: Do the ADL, SPLC, AIPAC and other organizations that appeal to a commonly held belief in the superiority of Zionism and/or Black culture, and in doing so effectively establish a state religion that we used to call politically correct thinking but now simply the correct thoughts that are compatible with Ingsoc.

    The First Amendment states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." It does not use the phrase "separation of church and state."

    It seems to me that so much that is going wrong with our country right now is due to a tacit acceptance of the religion Judaism, combined with laws such as prohibition of hate crimes and prohibition of the BSD movement.

    I hereby reject Judaism and Zionism as the state religion of the United States of America as 1) unconstitutional and anti-American, 2) Zionist supremacist and 3) immoral.

    It seems to me that so much that is going wrong with our country right now is due to a tacit acceptance of the religion Judaism, combined with laws such as prohibition of hate crimes and prohibition of the BSD movement.

    There was a conscious effort among some deep state people to form a religious alliance based on Abrahamic tradition. This unites Christianity with LDS, Judaism and Islam. The theory was that most people never get past the Book of Genesis. They throw out the ten commandments and replace it with the Noahide pact. Holy people are holy because of their ancestry. They are saved by God no matter what they do, and those not so holy are likewise condemned regardless of how they behave. The proof is in the rainbow that God gave us after the flood. This is the basis for (name your preference) exceptionalism.

    This alliance would have been the basis for the war between the (kings of the) West against the (kings of the) East. Eisenhower was so exited by world war II that he wanted to preside over the Battle of Armageddon.

    Of course this violates the basis of both Islam and Christianity which accept converts regardless of ancestry and offer the possibility of salvation to all.

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  • @YetAnotherAnon
    "All their profit comes from search"

    Odd because their search engine has got worse and worse since around 2005, when it was probs at its peak excellence.

    (Duckduckgo is very US-centric, so for Europeans Startpage is probably better.)

    “All their profit comes from search”

    Odd because their search engine has got worse and worse since around 2005, when it was probs at its peak excellence.

    I suspect they make more money by having you to click on irrelevant links than they would by giving accurate search results. Search engines undergo decay when managed to maximize profit.

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  • Sometimes I wonder what school I went to. I mean, I know perfectly well. I attended a place I never wanted to go: Yale. But when I was 17 years old, my parents -- and a familial urge to be upwardly mobile -- more than overwhelmed my personal and private desire to go elsewhere. So,...
  • All I know is that now it’s somewhat easier, thanks to the bursting dam of news about the grotesque (and grotesquely repetitive) experiences that women have had with male predators,

    As if there were no female predators seducing young men and ruining the rest of their lives with demands for child support and alimony. Let me tell you something. When all the women are out of the room, young men display the same “grotesquely repetitive” behavior with each other. If you don’t like men, fine. Stay away from us. Stop insisting that every profession should have equal representation of women, while the menial jobs are left for males. Instead of forcing your way into male workplaces and then complaining that men are what they are, spend a little more effort caring for your children; so they don’t grow up to hate you.

    However, let’s remember that, as Jones suggests today, sometimes such moments — take, for instance, that of the first black president of the United States — aren’t followed by a kind of enlightenment but by the angriest of backlashes.

    You have it almost right, but you have reversed “backlash” and “enlightenment”.

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  • As mentioned, I've been absorbed during most of 2017 in building several new software systems that I'm now trying to release by the end of the year. Last week, I presented for initial testing my new Print Archives, containing the published works of over 400,000 authors and the complete archives of some 200 prominent periodicals...
  • @alexander
    I recall these two videos posted by wayfarer.

    Neither one showed the same clarity of evidence ...... not by a long shot.

    It was the video he posted (on a later comment) which was deleted from You Tube.

    The video which was "erased" seemed to take all available footage of the "active shooting scenes" and examined them through cross referencing...providing stop action sequencing.....and a super clear blow up of the fourth floor window from where the shots were fired.

    You could actually see the silhouette of a man in the room as the rounds went off.

    It was quite good work, and seemed to demonstrate,beyond a reasonable doubt, that the fourth floor gun fire could NOT have been a "reflection" of gunfire coming from the 32nd floor.

    All the other videos , which remain up, are muddy and inaccurate by comparison.

    All the other videos , which remain up, are muddy and inaccurate by comparison.

    Maybe by comparison, but they are still convincing. The problem with them are the provocative titles, heavy handed commenting, and the editing. Just listening to the videos it is impossible that the second shooter was a reflection.

    Still this illustrates the problem with providing links rather than copies of data. Linked data can be deleted or changed on the host server. However making copies can run afoul of copyright laws. I don’t think we should ask Ron to do this. The potential liability is too great. I suspect suppressing “secrets” (evidence) was the whole point of the new copyright law.

    Nothing to prevent you from making a private backup of something particularly interesting. I failed to think of this in time to catch that 8chan video before it was gone.

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  • @Hu Mi Yu

    I do not understand how there can be any expectation of solving crimes that impact our society and cost taxpayers billions of dollars in “terror security” services…..when they continually “erase” the evidence of what actually happened.

    Can you ?
     
    No! But I lost hope decades ago. It just gets more and more obvious as the years go by.

    Here are the links that wayfarer posted. They are still active.

    and

    The one I posted was from 8chan, and it has been deleted. I thought it was the most convincing. There was no narrative or propaganda with it: just a raw cell phone video from someone at the scene.

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    I recall these two videos posted by wayfarer.

    Neither one showed the same clarity of evidence ...... not by a long shot.

    It was the video he posted (on a later comment) which was deleted from You Tube.

    The video which was "erased" seemed to take all available footage of the "active shooting scenes" and examined them through cross referencing...providing stop action sequencing.....and a super clear blow up of the fourth floor window from where the shots were fired.

    You could actually see the silhouette of a man in the room as the rounds went off.

    It was quite good work, and seemed to demonstrate,beyond a reasonable doubt, that the fourth floor gun fire could NOT have been a "reflection" of gunfire coming from the 32nd floor.

    All the other videos , which remain up, are muddy and inaccurate by comparison.
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  • @alexander
    Right.

    It was "wayfarer" who posted.

    I do not understand how there can be any expectation of solving crimes that impact our society and cost taxpayers billions of dollars in "terror security" services.....when they continually "erase" the evidence of what actually happened.

    Can you ?

    I do not understand how there can be any expectation of solving crimes that impact our society and cost taxpayers billions of dollars in “terror security” services…..when they continually “erase” the evidence of what actually happened.

    Can you ?

    No! But I lost hope decades ago. It just gets more and more obvious as the years go by.

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    Here are the links that wayfarer posted. They are still active.

    https://youtu.be/YZ6EaATQ3tI

    and

    https://youtu.be/kRjLIzNSRoE

    The one I posted was from 8chan, and it has been deleted. I thought it was the most convincing. There was no narrative or propaganda with it: just a raw cell phone video from someone at the scene.
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  • @alexander
    Great idea , Mr Unz.

    I am curious about whether your new video hosting site will be able to capture and hold onto
    raw video footage from our sorted "mass terror events".

    Much of the best footage and the most accurate analyses always seem to quickly disappear .

    I recall one of your readers posting a video from the Las Vegas shooting which had very clear footage of gunfire coming from the fourth floor....Very, very clear footage, Mr. Unz.......and the video was shut down on You tube within the hour.

    I remember that footage, and found an independent and altogether different video buried in the comments at Breitbart that showed exactly the same thing. There were two shooters on two different floors. I posted a link here as a response to wayfarer’s post.

    Immediately the story died in the MSM.

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    Right.

    It was "wayfarer" who posted.

    I do not understand how there can be any expectation of solving crimes that impact our society and cost taxpayers billions of dollars in "terror security" services.....when they continually "erase" the evidence of what actually happened.

    Can you ?

    , @Wade
    Can you provide the link now?
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  • Texas, Florida, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands. The U.S. got clobbered. Three category 4 or 5 Atlantic hurricanes of startling intensity, a record for any single season, whacked the country. Records were also set for rainfall and destruction. Two of those mega-storms, Irma and Maria, their power intensified by waters growing ever warmer thanks to...
  • @Alden
    Years ago there was a big fuss about the ozone layer being destroyed over Indonesia. "Scientists" blamed it on the fact that Indonesia is a huge country and too many people use wood fires for cooking.

    Switching from draft animals to fossil burning vehicles in the cities was one of the major public health advances in the last 10,000 years. What's worse, breathing CO2 or wading through manure every day?

    Years ago there was a big fuss about the ozone layer being destroyed over Indonesia. “Scientists” blamed it on the fact that Indonesia is a huge country and too many people use wood fires for cooking.

    Switching from draft animals to fossil burning vehicles in the cities was one of the major public health advances in the last 10,000 years. What’s worse, breathing CO2 or wading through manure every day?

    You’ve got it! The question we should be asking is not where “fossil” fuels are good or bad, but whether they are better or worse than the alternatives. Pollution did not begin with the industrial revolution.

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  • @Alden
    In the late 1970's, just 40 years ago all the bien pensants and "scientists" predicted a coming Ice Age. In faCt several books about the coming Ice Age were published. Glaciers were on the covers of magazines like Time and Newsweek. All the high level magazines had articles about global cooling and the coming Ice Age. I think it was blamed on American nuclear tests and weapons.

    Things change, but if it comes from the media, academia and government one can be sure it's all lies.

    In the late 1970′s, just 40 years ago all the bien pensants and “scientists” predicted a coming Ice Age.

    Not all of them, but many of them did. There was a global warming from 1915 to 1950, and then a slight downward trend. Chronologically we should be going into a new glacial period now. The MSM picked it up, because shocking stories like this sell books and periodicals. Now they are doing the same thing with global warming.

    The only reason we are not going into a new glacial period now is human generated GHG warming. Global warming has benefits.

    Things change, but if it comes from the media, academia and government one can be sure it’s all lies.

    Not all of it, but most of it.

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  • @Alden
    I drive through the central valley several times a year on different freeways. If it's a desert why do I see nothing but fields full of green crops, trees and bushes? Why does the central valley supply most of the fruits and vegetables fro the entire country if its nothing but a dry desert?

    I know its a lot due to irrigation projects, but millions of people live in that "dry desert" and they get their water from wells and lakes.

    I drive through the central valley several times a year on different freeways. If it’s a desert why do I see nothing but fields full of green crops, trees and bushes? Why does the central valley supply most of the fruits and vegetables fro the entire country if its nothing but a dry desert?

    I believe what I said was “nearly” rather than “nothing but”. Where once there were marshes filled with tules that were the raw material for Indian baskets and houses, there are now dry grasses. The area is intensively irrigated: typically with snow melt from nearby mountains. There is still plenty of lush farmland, but it isn’t as lush as it used to be.

    There are probably more dry lakes than lakes with water in them.

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  • @Alden
    I think its nice that Puerto Rico is part of the United States and when a hurricane does such destruction they can just get on a plane to the mainland. Puerto Ricans should be grateful for that. People in the states to which they come might not like it, but it's good for the hurricane victims.

    I don't believe a word of global warming because I don't believe anything that is promulgated by the mass media, the government and the universities.

    The earth has been warming fro about 25,000 years now. It was much, much warmer in 700 AD to about 1100 AD that it is now. It was warm enough a thousand years ago for the Green landers to have a European style farming economy. Greenland is now mostly glaciers. It was a lot colder about 1500 AD to 1850 AD, the little ice age than it is now.

    Climates change. If global warming is real instead of a money maker for Al Gore and other rich liberals, it will be great for Russia, Canada, Alaska and other northern areas. Supposedly there are all sorts of minerals and other treasures in Siberia that cannot be mined now because of the perm frost and weather.

    And just think of all the money that could be saved in the northern tier of the United States if winter didn't start till the middle of November and ended the first of March. Right now, Winter starts the middle of October and doesn't end till the end of April.

    Think of all the money that would be saved on heat bills and snowplows.

    I just go by the dictum that anything told to us by the media, academia and government is a lie.

    The earth has been warming fro about 25,000 years now.

    It’s 12,000 years. Otherwise I mostly agree with your post.

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  • @Sparkon
    No distraction, just an attempt to draw a parallel between witchcraft and CO₂ as examples of ignorant, panicky, and superstitious humans jumping to the wrong conclusion, and blaming an innocent scapegoat.

    I'm really interested more in the last 10-12,000 years not only because we have better data, but also because we know that humans were on the scene doing what they did in the several thousand years between the recession of the continental ice sheets, and the emergence of modern civilization reflected in the development of agriculture, rise of cities, and invention of writing

    I suggest that we have adequate detailed information over the last 10 millennia or so from the ice cores and other proxies--especially from human records within the historical era--to say that CO₂ is not playing any significant role in Earth's climate. Study of the graph from Connecticut College is sufficient to reach that conclusion, since anyone can see there is obviously no correlation at all over the last 10,000 years between the relatively stable levels of CO₂, one the one hand, and the relatively chaotic, noisy ups and downs of temperatures reflected in the proxies, on the other. Incidentally, I have never seen a graph where CO₂ leads temperature.

    You might be able to upload your image anonymously to
    http://tinypic.com/
    where you'd get a URL that you could link to from here.

    You would have to judge for yourself to determne if the work by its nature could be traced back to source by watermark, authors, or other characteristics.

    All of the badmouthing and threats I see are directed at so called "climate deniers," "climate change deniers," and "global warming deniers," but of course most skeptics, including yours truly, deny none of those things. Rather it is climate alarmists who mischaracterize the skeptical position with the "denier" label

    We are skeptical merely that CO₂ controls Earth's climate, or that it is a pollutant, or that a little extra warmth is inherently bad, or that we should continue to subsidize so-called renewable or sustainable energy sources that in fact increase energy expenses for everyone, while adding to the instability of the electrical grid, or that we should continue to throw money at something which may not even be a problem, and which we probably cannot affect one way or the other, in any case.

    Finally, I think carbon sequestration is a nutty, but very expensive, and potentially dangerous idea. Early results of JAXA's Ibuki CO₂-monitoring GOSAT reported by NHK seemed to show that industrialized nations of the N. hemisphere were net sinks of CO₂ during the summer months, a result which completely overturns the conventional narrative about the trace gas.

    We have a lot to learn.

    No distraction, just an attempt to draw a parallel between witchcraft and CO₂ as examples of ignorant, panicky, and superstitious humans jumping to the wrong conclusion, and blaming an innocent scapegoat.

    I agree here, however it seems to me that both sides are jumping to the wrong conclusion. The debate is constrained to two opposing fairy tales supported by factions in the media: fairly typical for politics these days.

    I’m really interested more in the last 10-12,000 years not only because we have better data, but also because we know that humans were on the scene doing what they did in the several thousand years between the recession of the continental ice sheets, and the emergence of modern civilization reflected in the development of agriculture, rise of cities, and invention of writing

    Limiting evidence to the last 10,000 years excludes the most important part of the ice core data. Humans have been on earth much longer than that, and they have been influencing climate for half a million years. I once had a discussion with a now famous climate scientist who also limits his data and models to the last 10,000 years. He insisted that there had to be something wrong with the older data. Physics had to be different before God created the Earth. Climate “scientists” were willing to stretch the Biblical chronology a few thousand years, but they drew a red line at the start of the current interglacial twelve thousand years ago. There just had to be something wrong with the data. Everyone just knows that God created the Earth with a stable climate in its present state.

    Evolution tells us that the earth’s climate has been evolving for billions of years. This is where the clear evidence for the link between CO2 and climate exists: not in the last ten thousand years. It is pointless to engage further in debate with anyone who refuses to accept basic science such as evolution.

    You would have to judge for yourself to determne if the work by its nature could be traced back to source by watermark, authors, or other characteristics.

    I prefer not to discuss how internet activity can be traced. It would only help to encourage criminal elements, government surveillance and Abrahamic religious fanatics.

    We are skeptical merely that

    Now you have blown your cover. Just who are “we” today?

    CO₂ controls Earth’s climate, or that it is a pollutant, or that a little extra warmth is inherently bad, or that we should continue to subsidize so-called renewable or sustainable energy sources that in fact increase energy expenses for everyone, while adding to the instability of the electrical grid, or that we should continue to throw money at something which may not even be a problem, and which we probably cannot affect one way or the other, in any case.

    Thank you for giving us a list of your talking points. Please note that I agree with some of them, but you seem to lack the ability to discuss them in detail. You are only a mouthpiece.

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    Now you have blown your cover. [...] You are only a mouthpiece.
     
    Well, I doubt that, but thanks for the chuckle.

    However, I am at least somewhat qualified to distill the skeptical point of view into what you call "talking points" because of my own research into this question, including -- but not limited to -- a lot of reading over the past several years at the award-wining science blog Watts Up With That. That website bills itself as "The world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change," and is a three-time winner of Weblog's Best Science Blog in 2011, 2012, and 2013.

    So yes, I understand the skeptics' point of view, but I speak with them, not for them.

    Just for the record, as if it mattered, nobody is paying me for lip service, or to register my point of view here, or anywhere else.


    Evolution tells us that the earth’s climate has been evolving for billions of years. This is where the clear evidence for the link between CO2 and climate exists: not in the last ten thousand years. It is pointless to engage further in debate with anyone who refuses to accept basic science such as evolution.
     
    The Theory of Evolution refers to and affects living things, and not climate, speaking of basic science, but I'll grant your point that conditions and climate have been changing on Earth since day one, and for that reason, the recent data are most valuable because they reflect recent and current conditions, rather than ancient ones.

    Indeed, as you note, Homo sapiens has been on Earth for a long time, possibly several hundred thousand years, but it is only within the last ten thousand years or so, that the naked ape came in out of the bush. Something new must have happened to allow the sudden, dramatic, unprecedented explosion of human culture in the wake of the most recent retreat of the ice sheets around 10-12,000 years ago.

    In my view, the Sun is the only known agent with the power to affect these kinds of changes. What may have happened in the remote past is too difficult to assess because of too many unknown variables. Even with the modern data, there is controversy about the proxies, and fudged numbers.


    I prefer not to discuss how internet activity can be traced.
     
    I wasn't asking you to discuss it. "Judge for yourself" is not an invitation to share your thoughts.
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  • @Sparkon

    the CO2 releases were triggered by variations in the earth’s orbit called Milankovitch effects:
     
    No, I don't think so. Long term, slow acting Milankovitch Cycles cannot account for the intensity of the observed climatic variations reflected in the proxies, nor can the relatively modest effect of these MCs be the cause of more sudden, much shorter, and relatively recent climatic changes.

    https://www.conncoll.edu/news/images/mag/winter2014/graph.jpg
    Image: Connecticut College

    These MCs are theorized to be ~100,000 years, 41,000 years, even 21,000 years in length. The debate rages. Whatever the case, those MC periods are far too long to be responsible for the relatively much shorter but rather sharp climatic changes that have occurred several times within the historical era during the last 5,000 years: the so-called Egyptian, Minoan, Roman, Medieval, and Modern Warm Periods, which are separated in every case by a cooler period. One of those cool spells corresponds with the so-called Dark Ages that occurred between the Roman and Medieval Warm Periods.

    No force or effect whose shortest cycle is 21,000 years is likely to be responsible for multiple changes that occurred within 5,000 years.

    I would argue that some other significant factor must be playing a large role in Earth's climate since neither Milankovitch Cycles, nor CO₂ could be a big player in the ups and downs of Earth's climate over the past 5,000 years. Obviously, the most likely candidate is the Sun, and something affecting its output, either by internal action, external energy*, or perhaps filtering and blockage by passing dust, or other objects.

    (* Includes cosmic rays, electrical energy, magnetic forces, devious aliens, and manipulative deities)

    The record suggests that warm periods are good for civilization; cool periods, not so much. It should be noted however, that the Renaissance is fairly contemporaneous with the Little Ice Age, a fact which leads to interesting speculations. Nevertheless, for the common peasant of the day, deteriorating climatic conditions during the Little Ice Age may have been a matter of life and death. In the face of their troubles, many people turned to superstition, and blamed it all on witches.

    Not CO₂ mind you, but witches!

    Indeed, in 1484, Pope Innocent VIII issued his Papal Bull Summis desiderantes affectibus describing the effects of witchcraft, and encouraging the persecution of witches. Thousands of innocent old hags and crones, and eventually many other people, were accused of witchcraft, condemned to death, and burned alive at the stake.

    "[m]any persons of both sexes, unmindful of their own salvation and straying from the Catholic Faith, have abandoned themselves to devils, incubi and succubi, and by their incantations, spells, conjurations, and other accursed charms and crafts, enormities and horrid offences, have slain infants yet in the mother's womb, as also the offspring of cattle, have blasted the produce of the earth (...) they do not shrink from committing and perpetrating the foulest abominations and filthiest excesses to the deadly peril of their own souls, (...) the abominations and enormities in question remain unpunished not without open danger to the souls of many and peril of eternal damnation."
     
    Edited for mercy, but if you read the whole Bull, it almost sounds like A complete list of things caused by global warming. which would make any witch proud.

    But we've come a long way baby, and today it's all about the deadly trace gas CO₂, the molecule that roared, supposedly kept too many photons from flying off into space right away, and set in motion the changes that gave us expensive light bulbs, where once we had cheap ones.

    the CO2 releases were triggered by variations in the earth’s orbit called Milankovitch effects:

    No, I don’t think so. Long term, slow acting Milankovitch Cycles cannot account for the intensity of the observed climatic variations reflected in the proxies, nor can the relatively modest effect of these MCs be the cause of more sudden, much shorter, and relatively recent climatic changes.

    Nor did I say they did. Milankovitch effects (they are not cycles, because they are aperiodic) cause warming that triggers CO2 release from somewhere, most likely the oceans. This intensifies the warming, and sustains it after the Milankovitch warming has ended.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

    Wikipedia has a decent summary of the topic, but they miss some things. Prior to about 500 thousand years ago, positive feedback caused a 41,000 year climate cycle with alternating glacial and interglacial conditions. The parameters of the feedback can be deduced from the ice core CO2 readings with the help of some basic calculus. Climate has a point of unstable equilibrium around 180 ppm. When atmospheric CO2 drops below this level, the climate system is unstable, and Milankovitch warming triggers a massive release of CO2 from the oceans. This results in a free-running astable multivibrator whose period is sensitive measure of CO2 releases.

    The period of the climate changes has been gradually lengthening since then. This indicates an increase in the amount of CO2 being added to the atmosphere. This is approximately the same time frame when humans began using fire. In fact it is possible to estimate the prehistoric human population based on these CO2 variations. Based on an assumed CO2 production of one ton per person, the human population 500,000 years ago is estimated to have been 500,000, while for 200,000 years ago the estimate is 40 million. Many argue that modern humans have only mastered fire in the last 12,000 years, but Chinese anthropologists have discovered sites with evidence of fire dating 1.5 million years ago.

    Looking at your graphs from Connecticut College, you have cut off the entire glacial period prior to 10,000 years ago. This is where the larger variation that is explained by my model is seen. There are, of course, other effects that modify climate that are not fully understood. These are amplified by the positive feedback. The equations show that the higher the CO2 level, the less positive feedback there is, and the more stable climate becomes. I believe this is in fact reflected in the graphs you linked.

    And as to the little ice age the Law Dome ice cores show the CO2 concentration peaking ate 284.1 in 1170 and then declining for a few centuries. It does not reach the same level again until 1820.

    Your comparison with the belief in witchcraft is just a distraction.

    I would like post my own material, but I need to remain anonymous. I have received threats of violence from climate activists. I don’t think there is any way to post a JPG image here without linking it to a traceable website.

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    No distraction, just an attempt to draw a parallel between witchcraft and CO₂ as examples of ignorant, panicky, and superstitious humans jumping to the wrong conclusion, and blaming an innocent scapegoat.

    I'm really interested more in the last 10-12,000 years not only because we have better data, but also because we know that humans were on the scene doing what they did in the several thousand years between the recession of the continental ice sheets, and the emergence of modern civilization reflected in the development of agriculture, rise of cities, and invention of writing

    I suggest that we have adequate detailed information over the last 10 millennia or so from the ice cores and other proxies--especially from human records within the historical era--to say that CO₂ is not playing any significant role in Earth's climate. Study of the graph from Connecticut College is sufficient to reach that conclusion, since anyone can see there is obviously no correlation at all over the last 10,000 years between the relatively stable levels of CO₂, one the one hand, and the relatively chaotic, noisy ups and downs of temperatures reflected in the proxies, on the other. Incidentally, I have never seen a graph where CO₂ leads temperature.

    You might be able to upload your image anonymously to
    http://tinypic.com/
    where you'd get a URL that you could link to from here.

    You would have to judge for yourself to determne if the work by its nature could be traced back to source by watermark, authors, or other characteristics.

    All of the badmouthing and threats I see are directed at so called "climate deniers," "climate change deniers," and "global warming deniers," but of course most skeptics, including yours truly, deny none of those things. Rather it is climate alarmists who mischaracterize the skeptical position with the "denier" label

    We are skeptical merely that CO₂ controls Earth's climate, or that it is a pollutant, or that a little extra warmth is inherently bad, or that we should continue to subsidize so-called renewable or sustainable energy sources that in fact increase energy expenses for everyone, while adding to the instability of the electrical grid, or that we should continue to throw money at something which may not even be a problem, and which we probably cannot affect one way or the other, in any case.

    Finally, I think carbon sequestration is a nutty, but very expensive, and potentially dangerous idea. Early results of JAXA's Ibuki CO₂-monitoring GOSAT reported by NHK seemed to show that industrialized nations of the N. hemisphere were net sinks of CO₂ during the summer months, a result which completely overturns the conventional narrative about the trace gas.

    We have a lot to learn.

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