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    English nationalism as expressed by Brexiteers is a strange beast. Donald Trump gives an interview in which he assumes the right to intervene in the conflict between Theresa May and Boris Johnson over Brexit. He speaks with the same confident authority as he would in his own country, sorting out differences in the Republican Party...
  • Trump is “monstrous”?

    Oh please, no virtue-signaling among men. You ARE a man, aren’t you?

    Trump merely has a personality you don’t like. That hardly makes him “monstrous” by any stretch of the word. That is, unless you’re actually the center of the universe.

    • Replies: @Wally
    It's call the 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' for good reason.

    Reactions to Trump victory, hilarious !!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ-FUptkUNY
  • The author is a liar. Trump did not “assume the authority” to intervene in the issue. He was asked a question and he answered it. The English never miss an opportunity to list all the ways that Americans are “wrong”, so now we’re simply returning the favor. Actions have consequences.

    And believe me, if he HAD “assumed the authority to intervene”, it’d be a helluva lot more than a mere answer to a question. If the British government can’t get its shit together, we’ll be glad to help them out.

    • Replies: @forgottenpseudonym
    The author is a shitlib, incapable of acknowledging Obama's multiple egregious interventions in favour of the Remainers in the run up to the referendum.
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    Isn't Cockburn some sort of Mick?
    , @Wally
    Well said.

    I agree Trump simply responded with replies that the increasingly unhinged UK left didn't like.

    But hey, given what the largely freeloading UK gets free of charge from US taxpayers, Trump would have every right to barge in any time he wishes.

    I say cut em loose and witness a change of tune.

    As for Cockburn, he never saw a big government he didn't like.

  • At first, I thought I had inadvertently entered an active war zone. I was on a lonely two-lane road in southern New Mexico heading for El Paso, Texas. Off to the side of the road, hardly concealed behind some desert shrubs, I suddenly noticed what seemed to be a tank. For a second, I thought...
  • @Respect
    Just let me remember you that California , Arizona , New Mexico , Texas , Colorado , Nevada , Florida ... are Spanish names , the native indians and the Spaniards were there first . All these lands belongued to Spain , as well as Cuba ,Puerto Rico and The Philipines .

    Mexico inherited fron Spain all the present US Southwest

    The anglos invaded those lands from the north by stealth , by deceit and by brute force . See US-Mexico wars , see US -Spain war in Cuba and the Philipines .

    So what? I want my people to win. Not others. And if Mehico owned every piece of real estate in North American with a Spanish-y name (i.e., which is European, by the way), human suffering and degradation would be even more widespread than it is now.

  • From The Guardian: Do you realize that Beyonce has only won 22 Grammys? Black megalomania can be pretty entertaining, as African dictator Big Men like Idi Amin have demonstrated, but just how seriously do we have to take it?
  • @Kylie
    I've read enough about classical music and the working methods of classical composers to know you know what you're talking about. Negrolphin Pool not only doesn't know what you're talking about, he doesn't even know what he's talking about.

    Thank you, Kylie.

    I really have never seen anything like this.

  • @Negrolphin Pool

    I know you said “pencil,” not “pencils.” I pointed this out already and you still don’t understand. Are you really not getting this, or are you simply trying to make some last minute adjustments in a futile attempt to save face. All you’re doing is showing that you don’t know what you’re talking about to the extreme. And the CJP drummer does not have to play two different but simultaneous rhythm with his fingers, while also hitting the correct notes. In music, when the degree of complexity is increased in one direction, it is necessarily, for playability and intelligibility, decreased in another. A drum set is not a clavier instrument! The point does not stand. It never stood. Why do you insist on arguing with an expert? It’s bizarre.

    One pencil would not work for either the left-hand or the right-hand part. The vast majority of fugues have either three of four independent parts. That’s why a four-part fugue is called a four-part fugue. And in a three-part fugue the middle part trades off between being played with the lefthand and the righthand, depending on whichever is technically optimal. Neither you nor the theoretical four-year old child could pass your test. Download a free copy of a three- or four-part fugue by Bach and start tapping out the rhythm with one pencil. Good luck!
     
    Each non-simultaneously occurring note is tapped. In the case of the band, any one-hand or one-note part or any combination thereof would be the focus. I'm not sure why you're continuing on this, the resolution to the problem of taking a potentially multi-note part and assigning it to a single percussive instrument for the purposes of determining rhythmic complexity is obvious and should have been from the first description.

    You don’t know what you’re talking about, and I’ve already pointed out why your narrowly defined “test” is absurd, but you’re one of those internet-y type people who simply cannot admit when you’re wrong.
     
    I'll admit I'm wrong when I'm shown to be. Here, see the right hand? Tap it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oFjk0HynY4

    Please put your next thousand-word wrong answer towards the bottom of any future replies. Wading through book-length autistry is tedious.

    NO, he doesn’t. Why are you presuming to lecture me on this subject? Are you really not getting the absurdity of it? Seriously!
     
    Hominem, meet Verecundiam.

    What about when you’re not in a key?
     
    Define not being in a key.

    What is it then, expert? And what about inversion? What about reduction? What about retrograde? What about retrograde inversion? Please elaborate for me. I need a good laugh.
     
    But why not list 4 more examples of superfluous gobbledygook? Is knowing the definition of 10-cent words necessary to becoming an expert composer? Can a mechanic still tear down a tranny if he doesn't know what the guy from corporate is talking about when he referred to "synergistic, next-generation smart platforms?" If someone is mainly concerned with ostentatious status striving rather than creating music, is learning those definitions anything more than trivial next to the real work of developing musical skill?

    NO, he will not. You’re off your rocker. Where are you getting all this? Are you deliberately trying to get me to waste my time? I really don’t understand why you are presuming to lecture me on what it takes to be a professionally competent composer, arranger, and orchestrator. You are strange.
     
    Ok, thanks for clarifying that. So, even if a person is something close to an expert transposer but possesses no other training or even practice, what you seem to be saying is that they could not operate anywhere near the level of an expert composer? For example, someone who is merely an expert transposer could not write a passable fugue, correct? And this would be especially true if they were ignorant of baroque music, right?

    NO. You’re definition of transposition is incomplete.
     
    Well?

    Please list for me, in the general sense, your experience in composing, arranging, and orchestration.
     
    Approximately zero. Although I’m not really talking about orchestration and arranging when I talk about possessing the fundamental skills to be an expert composer, those things are clearly different skillsets that take some time to develop and are generally considered to be separate activities, thus the different names. But developing the compositional engine — transpositional expertise — is a far more laborious task than orchestration, perhaps by an order of magnitude.

    Horowitz being obviously polite = Muh jazz is superior to Classical!!!
     
    Verecundiam, meet strawman.

    And by the way, contrary to your silly slobbering, Art Tatum is not the “greatest player ever”. You just keep piling it on.
     
    Here’s the basketball equivalent to what you just said,

    and contrary to your silly slobbering, Michael Jordan is not the ‘greatest player ever’. You just keep piling it on.
     
    Looks pretty, doesn’t it?


    1) Clear you are not a serious person. On a dime, you went all the way from “transposition = composing talent” to waving it away as akin to masturbation or something.
     
    At what level of abstraction is the conclusion that someone transcribing a Chuck-fking-Mangione solo makes them a prima facie musical badass equivalent to the conclusion that beating off to Bay Watch makes one a prima facie porn star?

    That one has done the commonplace, easily achieved thing does not imply that they are of the rarefied elite.

    But since you’re so easily confused, as you’ve shown repeatedly, I’ll send you a Pulitzer for One-Note Pop Music Transcription as a consolation prize in the mail.


    2) Where did I say anything about Kenny G? If you’re equating either one of the gentlemen I mentioned with Kenny G, we will add that to your growing list embarrassing assertions.

     

    Yeah, that’s right. Transcribing a Kenny G solo is not that much easier, in proportional terms, to transcribing 70s pop jazz relative to transcribing an Art Tatum solo. For all the obtuse condescension, it’s clear you have no idea what you’re talking about on some of these things, specifically, the ones that actually mean anything.


    3) Comparing a harmonic instrument (piano) to a melodic one (i.e., flugelhorn, trumpet, etc.) is yet another one of your absurdities. This would appear to be your speciality.

     

    Nowhere did I compare “harmonic” instruments to “melodic” ones. That “absurdity” was yours. Remember?

    Asking for proof of such a very narrow and specific thing as “a Classical musician who has transcribed an Art Tatum solo by ear” is off-the-charts silly. The fact of the matter is that there is nothing about an Art Tatum solo that is beyond the aural grasp of Classical musicians.
    I know whereof I speak, son. Don’t argue.


    I was transcribing Chuck Mangione and Maynard Ferguson solos, orchestrations by Irwin Kostal (among others), and various songs by ear, all when I was in high school for crying out loud.

     

    Emphasis yours.


    So not only are you the one comparing “melodic” instruments with “harmonic” ones — what you, in an apparent Parkinsonian mind seizure, just accused me of doing — you’re making the spectacular claim, with imperious authority, that having transcribed some one-note 70s pop tune gives you the uber-elite skillset to transcribe an Art Tatum solo by ear. Your lack of meta-cognition, both inter- and intrapersonal, suggests dementia.


    That’s a logical leap on the order of shooting a 50 on nine at the city golf course and then concluding you're ready for the PGA tour. It’s an astonishing miscalculation that no one with a hint of real experience would make.

    4) All that said, I will be happy to list a few flugelhorn and/or trumpet pieces, solo and ensemble, jazz or other, and you can transcribe them for me and upload the results. Let me know if you’re game, hotshot.
     
    Do you play the piano as well? Because I’m not gonna play an asymmetric game, willy nilly, with some balloon head that just spent the last 3,000 words swinging his dick around. Although if you want to make an offer ahead of time, I’ll take a look, so long as I have the option to decline.

    Not mistaking a single solitary thing. My intellectual clarity on this subject is perfect. So stop deflecting and let me know if you’re up for the challenge, hotshot.
     
    Is that the argument you plan on using at the hearing to rescind your driver’s license?

    Assertion != evidence. Count = 2.

    Impaired abstract thinking: check

    Don’t play tough. You’ll lose, and your false bravado is evident. I’ve already given you repeated challenges and you’ve deflected every single one.
     
    Confabulation: check.

    That’s not an actual reply to what you quoted. Just more deflection.
     

    In the future you’d be well advised to be very careful about seriously doubting someone who you know nothing about. Such folly is apt to sooner or later bite you in the ass and leave a mark — like now, for instance.

    The neat thing about Bayesian inference is how well it works.
     

     
    Diagnosis: dementia

    Bayesian inference provides a strong framework to guide initial interactions with strangers, among many other things. It’s also very helpful for analyzing betting opportunities.

    The trouncing already happened in this post, and in every one of my posts to you previously. The problem here is that you suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect, and therefore are too dumb and arrogant to understand this.
     
    This is scary-level meta-cognitive failure. I can’t remember ever seeing Dunning-Kruger invoked, then unironically exemplified in textbook form by the writer in the same sentence. Your earlier assertions about Chuck — lol — Mangione solo transcription making you the sovereign authority on elite-level ear playing displays a similar insight vacuum.

    Listening to you talk about music is like overhearing Melissa Harris Perry explaining to a mechanic how to rebuild a tranny.

    “No, you idiot. First you remove the dress…”


    Do you play the piano? If not, it creates symmetry problems. That’s ok though, because I have an idea that involves you either saying “yes” or walking back the near entirety of your prolix posting charade. Let me know.


    **********************************************************************

    To anyone else who may read this, I’ll expand on one of my motivations in responding to this guy. Music is not science, math or anything close. Most of musical academia is a superfluous circle jerk. That doesn’t mean that it has no value. But there are ways to acquire musical expertise that are more efficient, more effective and astronomically cheaper than paying $250,000+ for a 4-year degree from a place like Berklee, UCLA or USC.

    This guy's neurotic hyper-defensiveness is due in part to my having implied but not stated outright that musical higher-ed is essentially a scam. I personally know a lot of musicians. The ones I know living in places like New York and Chicago need to take gigs like playing ballet class just to make rent. The ones in the Midwest are generally walking trainwrecks. Music is an ultra-high-variance profession in terms of income. Some guys land spots with national acts and can make really good money. Others end up in jail because they can’t pay child support. I know a few who have ended up dead. Good luck paying back law-school-priced college loans when you're 35 and your fancy degree has you playing weddings 200 miles away for $100.

    People like our Music School Ambassador here wouldn’t ever admit that the main skills necessary to become an all-around competent working professional musician, representing 90%+ of the effort, can be reduced to a rule of one-sentence’s length: Learn all the songs, in all the keys, in all the meters and all the styles. In other words, become an expert transposer.

    That’s it.

    BTW, Le sacre du printemps is very nice.

    I knew you wouldn’t shut up. Not only that, but you’ve opened up even more tangents.

    I’ll admit I’m wrong when I’m shown to be. Here, see the right hand? Tap it.

    Are ya sure? Do you promise? Okay then, here ya go:

    The example you gave is not a fugue. It is a Prelude no. 1, from Book 1 of the Well Tempered Clavier. And this is not a distinction without a difference, so don’t try that crap on me. Bach’s preludes are homophonic in nature, whereas a fugue is the quintessential contrapuntal expression. What this means, then, is that for the umpteenth time, YOU’RE WRONG!

    Now, according to your promise, you are ethically obligated to shut the hell up.

    In your original boast, you said:

    “Tap out the rhythm of a Bach fugue with a pencil.”

    The only thing that remains is for you to tap out the rhythm of a Bach fugue.” No more excuses. No more posing. No more trying to whittle down your original statement. No more lame attempts at bluffing. And no more obfuscation. Just stop, already.

    I will not read the rest of your overlong post. You are not self-aware. You are not serious. You’re childish. You are arrogant and ignorant to the extreme, and when your many errors are pointed out, you prove neither intelligent enough nor man enough to admit that you’re wrong.

    For my part, I was foolish to have ever tried to teach you anything or reason with you.

    Rank amateurs, tin-eared and tasteless, who can’t even read music do not get to lecture professional caliber experts. I make my living at this. Show some decency for once. You’re a walking poster child for the Dunning-Kruger effect. (Read that last sentence, over and over and over again until it sinks in. The only circle jerk is the one you have with yourself every time you weigh on a subject that is way over your head.)

    Bye!

  • @Negrolphin Pool

    If you want to refute that, then name all attributes that great composers share, then it can be determined if they are or are not contained in the concepts I just laid out.
     
    That should read "expert", not "great".

    Stop talking to be about refuting. I’m a professional composer, arranger, and orchestrator. You’re not. Know your place, and stay there.

    A composer, first and foremost, must have a robust musical imagination. To that can be added plenty of other items. Most of those items you wouldn’t understand, although you’d pretend to know more about than me. You remind of those Leftwing Europeans who enjoy lecturing American gun owners about the “clips” on their AR-15 “shotguns.”

    Enough already.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool

    A composer, first and foremost, must have a robust musical imagination. To that can be added plenty of other items.
     
    I agree with that. However, would someone without a robust musical imagination be able to become an expert level transposer in the first place?

    Again, I think my view, from your perspective, may be so radical that we'll have to settle it with a bet.


    Most of those items you wouldn’t understand, although you’d pretend to know more about than me.
     
    I'm not saying and have not said that I know more than you. On the contrary, I've admitted now more than once that I know less. I am simply applying an alternative framework, which you're dismissing, off-hand, as stupid and ill considered.
  • @Mishra
    Although I disagree with you (mildly) about Art Tatum, I have to commend you on staying controlled and rational through repeated encounters with a fairly hysterical interlocutor. That's more than I could do.

    You are a liar. There’s nothing at all hysterical about anything I’ve said here. And maybe you could explain to me why it’s okay for “Negrolphin Pol” — who doesn’t know what in the hell he is talking about — to lecture an actual expert on the issue. I’d truly like to hear your reasoning. Are you one of those egalitarian fools? I didn’t think the Unz site would have any of those.

  • @Negrolphin Pool

    You are right. It won’t help any, as I could not care less what you think about Bach, nor do you have the expertise to be talking to me about rhythm.
     
    Ok, but that doesn't refute the test I described above any more than calling it dumb does, my exalted expert friend.

    Uh, no, NOT yes. Dumb test.
     
    Actually, the test is quite clever. Maybe a four year old is too young and it makes the Bach answer no. Ok, change it to a ten year old. The point lies in demonstrating relative complexity. At some threshold of increasing skill in the pencil tapper you will get the result that Bach is "yes", and 7/4 CJP is "no". And it will stay that way until you increase the skill level of the 7/4 CJP tapper by many levels versus the minimum Bach-yes threshold.

    Again, not at all true. Transposing it one of the least of a composer’s skill set. Where are you getting all this. It is truly bizarre!
     
    One is an expert composer if and only if he is an expert transposer. And one who is an expert transposer almost always posesses the raw skills of an expert composer. Transposition is being fully in command of working in all keys. It's a necessary and almost sufficient condition for being an expert composer*. Nearly anyone who has full command of all keys and can spontaneously transpose any piece will have expert-level composition skills by definition.

    You can argue that "to attain compositional expertise, they must study subdisciplines A through N". But the very fact of their transpositional mastery is itself evidence of having mastered those things because the end goal of studying those things is the mastery of the relations among notes.

    My definition of transposition may be a bit more stringent than yours, however. I'm talking about ability to spontaneously transpose musical ideas to any key, in other words total mastery, of the relationships among notes, which, I suppose, you could crudely substitute for the term relative pitch.


    We're way off into the weeds here. But I say "almost sufficient condition". The missing part is the experience that gives the expert transposer the ability to hear the music that he wishes to create and, of course, to give it instrumental color in the case of orchestration. Once mastery of all keys — expert transposition — has been achieved, all that's left is to accurate play what one's mind hears. Obviously there's more to it, but that's the essence.

    If you want to refute that, then name all attributes that great composers share, then it can be determined if they are or are not contained in the concepts I just laid out. But it sounds like your mired in the unnecessary complexity of musical academia, which I'm sure pays nicely.

    *Taking expert composer to be broadly defined but not so much as to lose credibility. Note that expert implies mere competence not greatness.

    Asking for proof of such a very narrow and specific thing as “a Classical musician who has transcribed an Art Tatum solo by ear” is off-the-charts silly. The fact of the matter is that there is nothing about an Art Tatum solo that is beyond the aural grasp of Classical musicians. I know whereof I speak, son. Don’t argue.
     
    Art Tatum is almost universally considered to be the best jazz solo pianist. He was even held in high enough regard to have been visited in person by Vladimir Horowitz, who he reportedly made weep after Tatum answered his question about how many months he spent learning the piece he just played with, "I didn't." Horowitz also, perhaps apocryphally, threatened to permanently quit should Tatum take up classical music.

    So that would be much like someone arguing that jazz pianists are not much good at classical performances and proposing to support that by asking for any evidence of a jazz musician who has learned to play a Rachmaninoff piece, of which, I'm sure, many can be readily provided.

    So, yes, someone who is interested in the piano is probably going to be interested in the greatest piano player. Just as someone who is interested in basketball is probably going to be interested in Michael Jordan. If you think that's "off-the-charts silly", then, well, we'll get to that.

    I was transcribing Chuck Mangione and Maynard Ferguson solos, orchestrations by Irwin Kostal (among others), and various songs by ear, all when I was in high school for crying out loud.
     
    In high school, I was beating off to reruns of Bay Watch. Does that make me a porn star? I said Art Tatum, not Kenny G.

    Transcription is part of every ear training class where I studied music formally, at Berklee in Boston, and everywhere else the musical arts are seriously pursued, such as the New England Conservatory (just down the street from Berklee), at the Eastman School, at the Curtis Institute, at Juilliard, at the Royal College of Music, so on and so forth, as well as in certain types of private instruction.
     
    You'll get a kick out of this: I don't read music and have never taken a music class in my life.

    Why don’t you transcribe someone playing from the Modus Novus, by Lars Edlund, and then go through everything in the Michael L. Freedman ear training book, standard fare for all of those Classical musicians you think can’t handle a mere Art Tatum solo, and then get back to me. Eh?
     
    I think you might be mistaking assertion for evidence.

    Yeah, I can’t imagine why people who don’t know what the hell they’re talking about want to be pretend that they know what the hell they are talking about.
     
    We're getting really close to prop bet time here. Whadya say, loser donates $100 to our gracious host?


    In the future you’d be well advised to be very careful about seriously doubting someone who you know nothing about. Such folly is apt to sooner or later bite you in the ass and leave a mark — like now, for instance.
     
    The neat thing about Bayesian inference is how well it works.

    As for cutting me some “massive slack,” how about you stick your massive slack. I don’t need it. I have nearly 40 years of real musical accomplishment behind me, 30 of it as a very well regarded professional in Los Angeles. Composer, arranger, orchestrator, session conductor, booth producer, score supervisor, takedown, and college level guest lecturer (UCLA and USC, mostly).
     
    That's great. It means you have an ego about as big as the one currently on display. I have literally no musical accomplishments, no credentials etc. Its setting up to be a real trouncing.


    Any questions, hot shot?

     

    Yeah , which thing did you actually want to bet on?

    Ok, but that doesn’t refute the test I described above any more than calling it dumb does, my exalted expert friend.

    Nor was it intended to, my unnecessarily sarcastic “friend.” The refutation was given elsewhere in that same post. Don’t play dumb games. It won’t work.

    And stop with the Bach vs. CJP comparison. You’re embarrassing yourself. You don’t know what you’re talking about, and I’ve already pointed out why your narrowly defined “test” is absurd, but you’re one of those internet-y type people who simply cannot admit when you’re wrong.

    And one who is an expert transposer almost always posesses the raw skills of an expert composer.

    NO, he doesn’t. Why are you presuming to lecture me on this subject? Are you really not getting the absurdity of it? Seriously!

    Transposition is being fully in command of working in all keys.

    What about when you’re not in a key? What is it then, expert? And what about inversion? What about reduction? What about retrograde? What about retrograde inversion? Please elaborate for me. I need a good laugh.

    Nearly anyone who has full command of all keys and can spontaneously transpose any piece will have expert-level composition skills by definition.

    NO, he will not. You’re off your rocker. Where are you getting all this? Are you deliberately trying to get me to waste my time? I really don’t understand why you are presuming to lecture me on what it takes to be a professionally competent composer, arranger, and orchestrator. You are strange.

    My definition of transposition may be a bit more stringent than yours, however.

    NO. You’re definition of transposition is incomplete, and since you’re clearly in over your head here, it is also irrelevant.

    I’m talking about ability to spontaneously transpose musical ideas to any key, in other words total mastery, of the relationships among notes, which, I suppose, you could crudely substitute for the term relative pitch.

    Oh gawd!

    Obviously there’s more to it, but that’s the essence.

    NO, it is not. I keep having to say that, so let’s make this easy: Please list for me, in the general sense, your experience in composing, arranging, and orchestration.

    Insert three more paragraphs about Art Tatum, etc., using very narrow, cherry-picked and fallacious nonsense, straw-men, and a dogged determination to prove you’re right even though you’re arguing with an expert.

    Horowitz being obviously polite = Muh jazz is superior to Classical!!!

    And by the way, contrary to your silly slobbering, Art Tatum is not the “greatest player ever”. You just keep piling it on.

    In high school, I was beating off to reruns of Bay Watch. Does that make me a porn star? I said Art Tatum, not Kenny G.

    1) Clear you are not a serious person. On a dime, you went all the way from “transposition = composing talent” to waving it away as akin to masturbation or something.

    2) Where did I say anything about Kenny G? If you’re equating either one of the gentlemen I mentioned with Kenny G, we will add that to your growing list embarrassing assertions.

    3) Comparing a harmonic instrument (piano) to a melodic one (i.e., flugelhorn, trumpet, etc.) is yet another one of your absurdities. This would appear to be your speciality.

    4) All that said, I will be happy to list a few flugelhorn and/or trumpet pieces, solo and ensemble, jazz or other, and you can transcribe them for me and upload the results. Let me know if you’re game, hotshot.

    You’ll get a kick out of this: I don’t read music and have never taken a music class in my life.

    Already knew it. And yet here you are presuming to lecture me. Must be some sort of put-on.

    I think you might be mistaking assertion for evidence.

    Not mistaking a single solitary thing. My intellectual clarity on this subject is perfect. So stop deflecting and let me know if you’re up for the challenge, hotshot.

    We’re getting really close to prop bet time here. Whadya say, loser donates $100 to our gracious host?

    Don’t play tough. You’ll lose, and your false bravado is evident. I’ve already given you repeated challenges and you’ve deflected every single one. Take up my challenges already, and while you’re at it, go try your stupid pencil test with a four-year-old or whatever-year-old on a Bach fugue. You cannot begin to comprehend the depth of a Bach fugue, as you are a tin-eared and tasteless amateur who talks out of his ass to people whose shoes you are not fit to shine.

    The neat thing about Bayesian inference is how well it works.

    That’s not an actual reply to what you quoted. Just more deflection.

    That’s great. It means you have an ego about as big as the one currently on display. I have literally no musical accomplishments, no credentials etc. Its setting up to be a real trouncing.

    The trouncing already happened in this post, and in every one of my posts to you previously. The problem here is that you suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect, and therefore are too dumb and arrogant to understand this. Also, when you — a tin-eared, tasteless and manifestly unknowledgeable blowhard — presumes to lecture someone of my caliber and accomplishment, you don’t get to lecture me on ego, son. Some self-awareness would do you some genuine good.

    Yeah , which thing did you actually want to bet on?

    The ones I already listed, hotshot.

    Now go away and stop wasting my time. I’m having trouble believing your actually serious about any of this. I’ve seen people on the internet who were real doozies, but you are one of a kind, and in this that is far from a good thing.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    I've read enough about classical music and the working methods of classical composers to know you know what you're talking about. Negrolphin Pool not only doesn't know what you're talking about, he doesn't even know what he's talking about.
    , @Negrolphin Pool

    I know you said “pencil,” not “pencils.” I pointed this out already and you still don’t understand. Are you really not getting this, or are you simply trying to make some last minute adjustments in a futile attempt to save face. All you’re doing is showing that you don’t know what you’re talking about to the extreme. And the CJP drummer does not have to play two different but simultaneous rhythm with his fingers, while also hitting the correct notes. In music, when the degree of complexity is increased in one direction, it is necessarily, for playability and intelligibility, decreased in another. A drum set is not a clavier instrument! The point does not stand. It never stood. Why do you insist on arguing with an expert? It’s bizarre.

    One pencil would not work for either the left-hand or the right-hand part. The vast majority of fugues have either three of four independent parts. That’s why a four-part fugue is called a four-part fugue. And in a three-part fugue the middle part trades off between being played with the lefthand and the righthand, depending on whichever is technically optimal. Neither you nor the theoretical four-year old child could pass your test. Download a free copy of a three- or four-part fugue by Bach and start tapping out the rhythm with one pencil. Good luck!
     
    Each non-simultaneously occurring note is tapped. In the case of the band, any one-hand or one-note part or any combination thereof would be the focus. I'm not sure why you're continuing on this, the resolution to the problem of taking a potentially multi-note part and assigning it to a single percussive instrument for the purposes of determining rhythmic complexity is obvious and should have been from the first description.

    You don’t know what you’re talking about, and I’ve already pointed out why your narrowly defined “test” is absurd, but you’re one of those internet-y type people who simply cannot admit when you’re wrong.
     
    I'll admit I'm wrong when I'm shown to be. Here, see the right hand? Tap it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oFjk0HynY4

    Please put your next thousand-word wrong answer towards the bottom of any future replies. Wading through book-length autistry is tedious.

    NO, he doesn’t. Why are you presuming to lecture me on this subject? Are you really not getting the absurdity of it? Seriously!
     
    Hominem, meet Verecundiam.

    What about when you’re not in a key?
     
    Define not being in a key.

    What is it then, expert? And what about inversion? What about reduction? What about retrograde? What about retrograde inversion? Please elaborate for me. I need a good laugh.
     
    But why not list 4 more examples of superfluous gobbledygook? Is knowing the definition of 10-cent words necessary to becoming an expert composer? Can a mechanic still tear down a tranny if he doesn't know what the guy from corporate is talking about when he referred to "synergistic, next-generation smart platforms?" If someone is mainly concerned with ostentatious status striving rather than creating music, is learning those definitions anything more than trivial next to the real work of developing musical skill?

    NO, he will not. You’re off your rocker. Where are you getting all this? Are you deliberately trying to get me to waste my time? I really don’t understand why you are presuming to lecture me on what it takes to be a professionally competent composer, arranger, and orchestrator. You are strange.
     
    Ok, thanks for clarifying that. So, even if a person is something close to an expert transposer but possesses no other training or even practice, what you seem to be saying is that they could not operate anywhere near the level of an expert composer? For example, someone who is merely an expert transposer could not write a passable fugue, correct? And this would be especially true if they were ignorant of baroque music, right?

    NO. You’re definition of transposition is incomplete.
     
    Well?

    Please list for me, in the general sense, your experience in composing, arranging, and orchestration.
     
    Approximately zero. Although I’m not really talking about orchestration and arranging when I talk about possessing the fundamental skills to be an expert composer, those things are clearly different skillsets that take some time to develop and are generally considered to be separate activities, thus the different names. But developing the compositional engine — transpositional expertise — is a far more laborious task than orchestration, perhaps by an order of magnitude.

    Horowitz being obviously polite = Muh jazz is superior to Classical!!!
     
    Verecundiam, meet strawman.

    And by the way, contrary to your silly slobbering, Art Tatum is not the “greatest player ever”. You just keep piling it on.
     
    Here’s the basketball equivalent to what you just said,

    and contrary to your silly slobbering, Michael Jordan is not the ‘greatest player ever’. You just keep piling it on.
     
    Looks pretty, doesn’t it?


    1) Clear you are not a serious person. On a dime, you went all the way from “transposition = composing talent” to waving it away as akin to masturbation or something.
     
    At what level of abstraction is the conclusion that someone transcribing a Chuck-fking-Mangione solo makes them a prima facie musical badass equivalent to the conclusion that beating off to Bay Watch makes one a prima facie porn star?

    That one has done the commonplace, easily achieved thing does not imply that they are of the rarefied elite.

    But since you’re so easily confused, as you’ve shown repeatedly, I’ll send you a Pulitzer for One-Note Pop Music Transcription as a consolation prize in the mail.


    2) Where did I say anything about Kenny G? If you’re equating either one of the gentlemen I mentioned with Kenny G, we will add that to your growing list embarrassing assertions.

     

    Yeah, that’s right. Transcribing a Kenny G solo is not that much easier, in proportional terms, to transcribing 70s pop jazz relative to transcribing an Art Tatum solo. For all the obtuse condescension, it’s clear you have no idea what you’re talking about on some of these things, specifically, the ones that actually mean anything.


    3) Comparing a harmonic instrument (piano) to a melodic one (i.e., flugelhorn, trumpet, etc.) is yet another one of your absurdities. This would appear to be your speciality.

     

    Nowhere did I compare “harmonic” instruments to “melodic” ones. That “absurdity” was yours. Remember?

    Asking for proof of such a very narrow and specific thing as “a Classical musician who has transcribed an Art Tatum solo by ear” is off-the-charts silly. The fact of the matter is that there is nothing about an Art Tatum solo that is beyond the aural grasp of Classical musicians.
    I know whereof I speak, son. Don’t argue.


    I was transcribing Chuck Mangione and Maynard Ferguson solos, orchestrations by Irwin Kostal (among others), and various songs by ear, all when I was in high school for crying out loud.

     

    Emphasis yours.


    So not only are you the one comparing “melodic” instruments with “harmonic” ones — what you, in an apparent Parkinsonian mind seizure, just accused me of doing — you’re making the spectacular claim, with imperious authority, that having transcribed some one-note 70s pop tune gives you the uber-elite skillset to transcribe an Art Tatum solo by ear. Your lack of meta-cognition, both inter- and intrapersonal, suggests dementia.


    That’s a logical leap on the order of shooting a 50 on nine at the city golf course and then concluding you're ready for the PGA tour. It’s an astonishing miscalculation that no one with a hint of real experience would make.

    4) All that said, I will be happy to list a few flugelhorn and/or trumpet pieces, solo and ensemble, jazz or other, and you can transcribe them for me and upload the results. Let me know if you’re game, hotshot.
     
    Do you play the piano as well? Because I’m not gonna play an asymmetric game, willy nilly, with some balloon head that just spent the last 3,000 words swinging his dick around. Although if you want to make an offer ahead of time, I’ll take a look, so long as I have the option to decline.

    Not mistaking a single solitary thing. My intellectual clarity on this subject is perfect. So stop deflecting and let me know if you’re up for the challenge, hotshot.
     
    Is that the argument you plan on using at the hearing to rescind your driver’s license?

    Assertion != evidence. Count = 2.

    Impaired abstract thinking: check

    Don’t play tough. You’ll lose, and your false bravado is evident. I’ve already given you repeated challenges and you’ve deflected every single one.
     
    Confabulation: check.

    That’s not an actual reply to what you quoted. Just more deflection.
     

    In the future you’d be well advised to be very careful about seriously doubting someone who you know nothing about. Such folly is apt to sooner or later bite you in the ass and leave a mark — like now, for instance.

    The neat thing about Bayesian inference is how well it works.
     

     
    Diagnosis: dementia

    Bayesian inference provides a strong framework to guide initial interactions with strangers, among many other things. It’s also very helpful for analyzing betting opportunities.

    The trouncing already happened in this post, and in every one of my posts to you previously. The problem here is that you suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect, and therefore are too dumb and arrogant to understand this.
     
    This is scary-level meta-cognitive failure. I can’t remember ever seeing Dunning-Kruger invoked, then unironically exemplified in textbook form by the writer in the same sentence. Your earlier assertions about Chuck — lol — Mangione solo transcription making you the sovereign authority on elite-level ear playing displays a similar insight vacuum.

    Listening to you talk about music is like overhearing Melissa Harris Perry explaining to a mechanic how to rebuild a tranny.

    “No, you idiot. First you remove the dress…”


    Do you play the piano? If not, it creates symmetry problems. That’s ok though, because I have an idea that involves you either saying “yes” or walking back the near entirety of your prolix posting charade. Let me know.


    **********************************************************************

    To anyone else who may read this, I’ll expand on one of my motivations in responding to this guy. Music is not science, math or anything close. Most of musical academia is a superfluous circle jerk. That doesn’t mean that it has no value. But there are ways to acquire musical expertise that are more efficient, more effective and astronomically cheaper than paying $250,000+ for a 4-year degree from a place like Berklee, UCLA or USC.

    This guy's neurotic hyper-defensiveness is due in part to my having implied but not stated outright that musical higher-ed is essentially a scam. I personally know a lot of musicians. The ones I know living in places like New York and Chicago need to take gigs like playing ballet class just to make rent. The ones in the Midwest are generally walking trainwrecks. Music is an ultra-high-variance profession in terms of income. Some guys land spots with national acts and can make really good money. Others end up in jail because they can’t pay child support. I know a few who have ended up dead. Good luck paying back law-school-priced college loans when you're 35 and your fancy degree has you playing weddings 200 miles away for $100.

    People like our Music School Ambassador here wouldn’t ever admit that the main skills necessary to become an all-around competent working professional musician, representing 90%+ of the effort, can be reduced to a rule of one-sentence’s length: Learn all the songs, in all the keys, in all the meters and all the styles. In other words, become an expert transposer.

    That’s it.

    BTW, Le sacre du printemps is very nice.
  • @Anonymous
    I am not an expert on nor am I especially interested in classical music. I listen to a few of the better known pieces here and there for light relief, I couldn't even name most of them. Nor am I a jazz expert though I did take a long Jazz Appreciation course for filer credits in community college. I have no special dog in this fight. You obviously do.

    I do know that outside of bowed string sections and double reeds most session guys are jazz guys. That's almost one hundred percent of the guitar players. All the famous LA guitar guys-Tedesco, Budimir, Ritenour, Carlton, etc-were jazz guys. None after the early fifties was a classical guitarist by training or inclination. The horn guys and the woodwind guys, except for bassoons and oboes, likewise.

    That isn't to say all jazz guys can do session work. I'm sure some would be complete fails.

    No. Session guys in LA, New York are session guys. They are specialists at session work. They play whatever you put in front of them. A trumpet player such as Rick Baptist (and a few others from the same session), one of the top session trumpet players in LA, may do two three-hour film scoring sessions with symphony orchestra on, say, a Friday, then travel to Vegas to play in a big band for the Jerry Lewis telethon. Meanwhile, several of his colleagues — whether brass, winds, percussion, strings, whatever — may do a rehearsal and concert that same day with the Hollywood Bowl orchestra playing, say, Tchaikovsky’s 1812 Overture. Still others may go to Martin Sound in Alhambra and play some sweetening tracks for a pop ballad. So on and so forth.

    Session musicians are specialists who can change their playing style to fit the requirements of the moment. They even do this when need be within a session. For example, the Cole Porter that opens the second Indiana Jones movie, and then switch over to dramatic underscore.

    Talking about guitar players changes the subject. We may as well talk about bagpipe players then. Classical guitarist is highly specialized. Christopher Parkening is not going to shred away on a Les Paul, and a non-Classical player is not going to play Albeniz. There are a few crossover people, but they tend to be solo artists. In studio work for guitar, the Tedesco types have dozens of guitars and can likewise play in dozens of styles. Then there’re some guys whose specialty is more rock oriented, some more Jazz oriented, and some of the fusion guys who can cover both pretty well. It varies. A lot of the more rock oriented ones also go out on tour as backup with whoever hires them for a particular concert series. Etc.

    The Local AFM 47 (LA chapter of the music union) book that’s filled with thousands of musicians that play, I think, just about every kind of instrument that’s ever been invented. Ancient. Foreign. Obscure. Instruments I’ve never even heard of. The first time I received my copy it amazed me.

    Anyway, in general, guys who are first and foremost, “jazz guys,” tend to prefer playing nothing but that, in clubs, concerts, records, etc., like symphony musicians in most cities, for example. I knew many such types while studying music in Boston.

  • @Negrolphin Pool

    There would simply be NO WAY AT ALL to teach that four-year-old child to “tap out the rhythm” of a Bach fugue, as even for the simplest fugue (as noted above), he’d need two pencils, and for the vast majority he would need three or four. Moreover, he would have to tap out these three or four different and varying rhythms SIMULTANEOUSLY. That this elementary fact needs to be explained to you tells me just how far in over your head you are in this discussion.
     
    I said pencil, not pencils. So that would naturally limit the rhythm to the left or right-hand part. If you want to make it a two-pencil test, then we would have to raise the age to maybe 10 or 12. We could then just take a transcription of what the CJP's drummer is doing. The point would still stand.

    As for your random example of the “Caribbean Jazz Project,” I can give you any number of examples by Strauss, Debussy, Ravel, Stravinsky, et cetera, that make that sound like a walk in the park.
     
    Fair enough. But going back to the music professor's original point, a lot of the classical stuff that you actually see being played at local symphonies and pops shows etc isn't that rhythmically complex whereas a lot of jazz is. The point might not universally hold, but it's not exactly wrong either. And its far from the most ignorant thing ever.

    I know you said “pencil,” not “pencils.” I pointed this out already and you still don’t understand. Are you really not getting this, or are you simply trying to make some last minute adjustments in a futile attempt to save face. All you’re doing is showing that you don’t know what you’re talking about to the extreme. And the CJP drummer does not have to play two different but simultaneous rhythm with his fingers, while also hitting the correct notes. In music, when the degree of complexity is increased in one direction, it is necessarily, for playability and intelligibility, decreased in another. A drum set is not a clavier instrument! The point does not stand. It never stood. Why do you insist on arguing with an expert? It’s bizarre.

    One pencil would not work for either the left-hand or the right-hand part. The vast majority of fugues have either three of four independent parts. That’s why a four-part fugue is called a four-part fugue. And in a three-part fugue the middle part trades off between being played with the lefthand and the righthand, depending on whichever is technically optimal. Neither you nor the theoretical four-year old child could pass your test. Download a free copy of a three- or four-part fugue by Bach and start tapping out the rhythm with one pencil. Good luck!

    Your last paragraph is still insisting that the “professor” is correct in his assertion, but the “professor’s” assertion was and is, standing on its own, manifestly stupid. As for blanket music statements, it is indeed one of the dumbest things I’ve ever encountered. It would take lots and lots of typing on my part to methodically go through the entire process of explaining why apparently. 200 years from now no one will give a crap for the CJP, but they’ll still be playing and listening to Mozart.

    And by the way, the original subject here was White vs. black musical accomplishment. It sounds to me like you believe that most Jazz musicians are black, when they are in fact, not.

  • @Negrolphin Pool

    The assertion that Classical (i.e., Baroque, Classical, Romantic, Impressionistic, Nationalistic, 20th Century, Neo-classical, Expressionistic, Neo-Romantic, etc.) “is not particularly sophisticated in terms of rhythm at all” is, quite possibly, the dumbest, most ignorant, and laughably absurd statement regarding any aspect of music that I have ever encountered. Wow! Where to begin…
     
    It looks like this conversation has "struck a chord" with you for some reason. This probably won't help any. But the little Bach I've listened to — I find fugues boring — is not particularly rhythmically complex.


    Here's a rhythmic complexity test: Can you teach a random 4-year-old child to tap out the rhythm of a random 10-second snippet of song using a pencil on a desk in less than 10 minutes >90% of the time?

    Bach fugue: Yes.

    7/4 Caribbean Jazz project rendition of Night in Tunisia: Lol.

    It looks like this conversation has “struck a chord” with you for some reason.

    Yeah, I can’t imagine why people who don’t know what the hell they’re talking about want to be pretend that they know what the hell they are talking about.

    This probably won’t help any. But the little Bach I’ve listened to — I find fugues boring — is not particularly rhythmically complex.

    You are right. It won’t help any, as I could not care less what you think about Bach, nor do you have the expertise to be talking to me about rhythm.

    Here’s a rhythmic complexity test: Can you teach a random 4-year-old child to tap out the rhythm of a random 10-second snippet of song using a pencil on a desk in less than 10 minutes >90% of the time?
    Bach fugue: Yes.

    Uh, no, NOT yes. Dumb test. Bach fugues are typically in three or four parts. There is at least one that I know of in two parts (very atypical for a fugue), and several in five, and at least one in six.

    And as they are fugues, that means simultaneous yet contrapuntally independent voices. “Contrapuntal” means “voice against voice,” as a matter of fact. There would simply be NO WAY AT ALL to teach that four-year-old child to “tap out the rhythm” of a Bach fugue, as even for the simplest fugue (as noted above), he’d need two pencils, and for the vast majority he would need three or four. Moreover, he would have to tap out these three or four different and varying rhythms SIMULTANEOUSLY. That this elementary fact needs to be explained to you tells me just how far in over your head you are in this discussion.

    As for your random example of the “Caribbean Jazz Project,” I can give you any number of examples by Strauss, Debussy, Ravel, Stravinsky, et cetera, that make that sound like a walk in the park. Something written in an asymmetric meter all the way through is not a big deal, even if it is a big deal for you. All one need do is count.

    In my previous post I already gave concrete examples of the types of rhythmic devices invented by White men which have not even been halfway matched by non-white men — as outrageous and offensive as this surely must be to some.

    For further study, I would recommend, as a beginning point, the following:
    The Rhythmic Structure of Music, by Cooper and Meyer
    The Original and Structure of Rhythm, by J.L. Dunk
    Harmonic Rhythm, by Joseph Swain

    After that transcribe any random bars from Sacred du Printemps, and then get back to me. How’s that for a proper “LOL”?

    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool

    There would simply be NO WAY AT ALL to teach that four-year-old child to “tap out the rhythm” of a Bach fugue, as even for the simplest fugue (as noted above), he’d need two pencils, and for the vast majority he would need three or four. Moreover, he would have to tap out these three or four different and varying rhythms SIMULTANEOUSLY. That this elementary fact needs to be explained to you tells me just how far in over your head you are in this discussion.
     
    I said pencil, not pencils. So that would naturally limit the rhythm to the left or right-hand part. If you want to make it a two-pencil test, then we would have to raise the age to maybe 10 or 12. We could then just take a transcription of what the CJP's drummer is doing. The point would still stand.

    As for your random example of the “Caribbean Jazz Project,” I can give you any number of examples by Strauss, Debussy, Ravel, Stravinsky, et cetera, that make that sound like a walk in the park.
     
    Fair enough. But going back to the music professor's original point, a lot of the classical stuff that you actually see being played at local symphonies and pops shows etc isn't that rhythmically complex whereas a lot of jazz is. The point might not universally hold, but it's not exactly wrong either. And its far from the most ignorant thing ever.
  • @Negrolphin Pool

    Not really. Relative pitch is but one aspect of musicianship, and it’s standard fare for Classical and session musicians.
     
    It's effectively the definition of musicianship. We can probably agree that expert composers are the highest musicians. And all expert composers are expert transposers whereas there are few other attributes that all expert composers share.

    I love Vladimir Horowitz as much as the next guy, but when you choke to the point of having to stop playing, mid performance, The Stars and Stripes Forever on 60 Minutes because "it's been a long time since you played it", there's a big hole there.


    On what, pray tell, are you basing these absurd and manifestly false assertions? You are wrong on EVERY count, and yet here you are saying it with full confidence. Remarkable.
     
    Me.

    You think this is funny:


    But few classical musicians could learn even 10 seconds of Art Tatum playing I got rhythm without spending weeks. And they would likely struggle even then.
     
    But I seriously doubt you can even start to refute it. I'll be a sport and cut you some massive slack. Can you show me any classical musician who has transcribed an Art Tatum solo by ear - even with all the easily available "cheating" software that exists today?

    It’s effectively the definition of musicianship.

    No, it is not. Not by half. It is but one element among others. With your assertion you unwittingly confess to being way out of your league on this entire subject. You look ridiculous.

    And all expert composers are expert transposers whereas there are few other attributes that all expert composers share.

    Again, not at all true. Transposing it one of the least of a composer’s skill set. Where are you getting all this. It is truly bizarre!

    Transposing simply is no big deal for accomplished musicians, be they performers, composers, arrangers, or orchestrators. It is a standard requirement.

    But I seriously doubt you can even start to refute it. I’ll be a sport and cut you some massive slack. Can you show me any classical musician who has transcribed an Art Tatum solo by ear?

    Asking for proof of such a very narrow and specific thing as “a Classical musician who has transcribed an Art Tatum solo by ear” is off-the-charts silly. The fact of the matter is that there is nothing about an Art Tatum solo that is beyond the aural grasp of Classical musicians. I know whereof I speak, son. Don’t argue.

    I was transcribing Chuck Mangione and Maynard Ferguson solos, orchestrations by Irwin Kostal (among others), and various songs by ear, all when I was in high school for crying out loud.

    Transcription is part of every ear training class where I studied music formally, at Berklee in Boston, and everywhere else the musical arts are seriously pursued, such as the New England Conservatory (just down the street from Berklee), at the Eastman School, at the Curtis Institute, at Juilliard, at the Royal College of Music, so on and so forth, as well as in certain types of private instruction.

    Why don’t you transcribe someone playing from the Modus Novus, by Lars Edlund, and then go through everything in the Michael L. Freedman ear training book, standard fare for all of those Classical musicians you think can’t handle a mere Art Tatum solo, and then get back to me. Eh?

    In the future you’d be well advised to be very careful about seriously doubting someone who you know nothing about. Such folly is apt to sooner or later bite you in the ass and leave a mark — like now, for instance. As for cutting me some “massive slack,” how about you stick your massive slack. I don’t need it. I have nearly 40 years of real musical accomplishment behind me, 30 of it as a very well regarded professional in Los Angeles. Composer, arranger, orchestrator, session conductor, booth producer, score supervisor, takedown, and college level guest lecturer (UCLA and USC, mostly).

    Any questions, hot shot?

  • @interesting
    okay.....I get your back handed insult.....but tell me....are they wrong?

    And hey there race baiter, here's another one for ya.....Larry Elder.....I have more if you wanna bait me some more?

    I can tell you are an intellectually serious person, as it is certainly obvious that those of us who don’t fall for the “I know a good one” crap are “race baiters.”

    But seriously, your attempt to intimidate or manipulate me is not going to have any effect, but I will enjoy watching you try anyway.

  • @J1234

    I am not aware of any black musical geniuses, and if there were, I’d definitely be one to know.
     
    Scott Joplin. Louis Armstrong. Charlie Christian. I could go on, but there are probably countless unacknowledged negro musical geniuses who have been lost to history. I'm talking largely about people from the early to mid twentieth century.

    Because rap music is - and much of motown was - pretty bad, that doesn't mean there weren't periods of great musical productivity within black culture. Absurdities like rap gained popularity by resting on the laurels of previous black musical forms that gave black musical influence a good name. That those previous musical forms were recognized and influential around the world wasn't arbitrary or serendipitous.

    I know that "genius" is thrown around were it shouldn't be on the likes of Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson, but the people who invented boogie woogie (Jelly Roll Morton and such) truly had something of value to present to the world, whether it was simple or complex. Just a reminder: intelligence is not a category with which to compartmentalize people. It's a distribution, just as Charles Murray says. This is true for every population of human beings.

    Not a genius among them. Sorry, but I don’t lower my standards just to give blacks a participation trophy. You listed merely some talented performers. Joplin wrote some good ragtime stuff, and although it can be entertaining for a few minutes, it does not climb any musical heights. You’ll have to show me black versions of Palestrina, J.S., Bach, Vivaldi, Handel, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Berlioz, Chopin, Wagner, R. Strauss, Brahms, Bruckner, Fauré, Dvorak, Rimsky-Korsakov, Tchaikovsky, Debussy, Respighi, Ravel, Stravinsky, Sibelius, Martinu, Prokofiev, Shostakovich, Lauridsen (to name but a few) to start talking about “black musical geniuses.” Or how about, just one example? Pretty please?

    Also, I don’t need any lectures about IQ or “compartmentalizing people” or Charles Murray. It’s irrelevant to the subject.

    • Replies: @J1234
    Your position begs the question: Do you believe any black geniuses exist or have existed, musical or otherwise? I do, and not because I'm an apologist. Because intelligence is a distribution in any population, it would be doubtful that no black genius exists at the high end of the spectrum.

    I see Louis Armstrong as genius because his music was inspiring enough to be embraced by millions of whites who wouldn't embrace Armstrong in any other capacity. And good enough (along with music from other black musicians) to change the course of popular music. The only white musicians that could make it in popular music after Armstrong were the ones that emulated him or other black musicians, to one degree or another. Just so you know, I don't see this as a good thing or a bad thing, just a true thing.

    That doesn't mean blacks "invented" jazz, as SJW historians of today like to recite; cultural synthesis took place as it always does. Jazz couldn't have happened without blacks, though.
  • @Negrolphin Pool
    The ability to spontaneously transpose a piece into a different key could almost serve as a definition of musical skill. To do so, one needs to have assimilated the relationships among notes to the point that it's reflexive.


    A good jazz piano player will have little trouble learning more straightforward Chopin tunes by ear and can probably even learn some Rachmaninoff preludes and etudes by listening. Doing so might take a couple hours.

    But few classical musicians could learn even 10 seconds of Art Tatum playing I got rhythm without spending weeks. And they would likely struggle even then.

    The ability to spontaneously transpose a piece into a different key could almost serve as a definition of musical skill.

    Not really. Relative pitch is but one aspect of musicianship, and it’s standard fare for Classical and session musicians.

    A good jazz piano player will have little trouble learning more straightforward Chopin tunes by ear and can probably even learn some Rachmaninoff preludes and etudes by listening. Doing so might take a couple hours.

    Hahaha. You are funny.

    But few classical musicians could learn even 10 seconds of Art Tatum playing I got rhythm without spending weeks. And they would likely struggle even then.

    And funnier, still.

    On what, pray tell, are you basing these absurd and manifestly false assertions? You are wrong on EVERY count, and yet here you are saying it with full confidence. Remarkable.

    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool

    Not really. Relative pitch is but one aspect of musicianship, and it’s standard fare for Classical and session musicians.
     
    It's effectively the definition of musicianship. We can probably agree that expert composers are the highest musicians. And all expert composers are expert transposers whereas there are few other attributes that all expert composers share.

    I love Vladimir Horowitz as much as the next guy, but when you choke to the point of having to stop playing, mid performance, The Stars and Stripes Forever on 60 Minutes because "it's been a long time since you played it", there's a big hole there.


    On what, pray tell, are you basing these absurd and manifestly false assertions? You are wrong on EVERY count, and yet here you are saying it with full confidence. Remarkable.
     
    Me.

    You think this is funny:


    But few classical musicians could learn even 10 seconds of Art Tatum playing I got rhythm without spending weeks. And they would likely struggle even then.
     
    But I seriously doubt you can even start to refute it. I'll be a sport and cut you some massive slack. Can you show me any classical musician who has transcribed an Art Tatum solo by ear - even with all the easily available "cheating" software that exists today?
  • @Anonymous
    A white professor of Jazz made an interesting point to me once. Classical music is very sophisticated in terms of melody and harmony, but it is not particularly sophisticated in terms of rhythm at all, except for a few modern pieces no one but academics listen to. Popular classical music is all simple stuff rhythmwise.

    In jazz, one has some extraordinarily complicated rhythm one can find without looking all that hard.

    He also commented that any of his better piano students could play all but the most tortuous classical pieces better than most of the classical conservatory students could if they had never seen that particular piece before and were asked to do it live, sightreading it for the first time. His guys could at least get through it passably whereas the classical guys mostly would choke up and panic. Classical musicians don't sightread very well, jazz guys often earn their bread and butter doing session work where they have to sightread, transpose keys on the fly, and read stuff in odd clefs (you might be handed a piece for viola or cello and have to play it in a different key.)

    A white professor of Jazz made an interesting point to me once. Classical music is very sophisticated in terms of melody and harmony, but it is not particularly sophisticated in terms of rhythm at all, except for a few modern pieces no one but academics listen to.

    Your “white professor” sounds like a liberal doofus who either doesn’t know what he’s talking about, or else is a fabrication of your imagination.

    The assertion that Classical (i.e., Baroque, Classical, Romantic, Impressionistic, Nationalistic, 20th Century, Neo-classical, Expressionistic, Neo-Romantic, etc.) “is not particularly sophisticated in terms of rhythm at all” is, quite possibly, the dumbest, most ignorant, and laughably absurd statement regarding any aspect of music that I have ever encountered. Wow! Where to begin…

    Also, it’s interesting how your “professor” only lists harmony and melody, but not counterpoint, texture, orchestration, form, range of genre, range of expression, and range of articulation and phrasing. I’m going to say, NOT a professor.

    In jazz, one has some extraordinarily complicated rhythm one can find without looking all that hard.

    Actually that is not true at all. Jazz has the swing rhythm, syncopation, and unmeasured rhythms that naturally occur during an improvisatory solo. None of this even begins to scale the the heights of rhythmic achievement pioneered by White composers. Syncopations, infinite variety of rhythmic formulations, irregular groupings, across the beat and/or bar groupings, overlapping rhythmic counterpoint, simultaneous (implied or notated) meters, regularly changing meters, implied meter-less and actual meter-less, etc., ALL invented by White composers. And no, we’re not talking about pieces “no one but academics listen to,” nor is all of this confined to 20th Century compositions. Yes, the great composers are performed and recorded thousands of times for general public consumption every year. Sorry to burst your bubble, or the “professor’s.”

    He also commented that any of his better piano students could play all but the most tortuous classical pieces better than most of the classical conservatory students could if they had never seen that particular piece before and were asked to do it live, sightreading it for the first time. His guys could at least get through it passably whereas the classical guys mostly would choke up and panic.
    Either you or your professor are lying. You keep piling up stupidity upon stupidity. Have you any idea how you sound? It’d be like me weighing forth with my “expertise” about the specifics of neurosurgery.
    Classical musicians don’t sightread very well, jazz guys often earn their bread and butter doing session work where they have to sightread, transpose keys on the fly, and read stuff in odd clefs (you might be handed a piece for viola or cello and have to play it in a different key.)

    You are, quite simply, out of your everlovin’ mind. I damn near fell off my chair when I read your last assertion. Let me ask you this: How many scoring sessions have you observed or taken part in? How many symphony concert rehearsals have you observed or taken part in? I am, on a professional basis, a regular contributor to both. I know firsthand whereof I speak.

    Although they wouldn’t let you in, you really would be knocked back on your ass were you to attend a film scoring session, where all sorts of busy, active music, and very challenging music is read down perfectly upon the initial sight reading. Same for rehearsals by orchestras. The assertion that “classical musicians” are not very good sight readers is manifestly a lie. Sight reading is one of the necessary components of classical study. It is a regular thing. “Jazz guys” read lead sheets. “Jazz guys” are NOT session musicians. Really simple stuff that’s nowhere comparable to what Classical musicians and session musicians encounter. “Jazz guys” do not know a thing about the phrasing nuances and articulation required of a Classical musicians. And the “different clefs” thing is standard for doublers. There are guys in LA, New York, London, etc., who bring different instruments to each session with them, changing as indicated in the music. Double reeds, single reeds, and flutes, multiple transpositions of each, just for ONE guy. They are paid a cartage fee for all the extra carrying they have to do. Brasses, also, although not as varied as the woodwind players. And C-clefs are not “odd clefs.”

    You’re confusing “Jazz guys” with session musicians. Please don’t, and please stop embarrassing yourself with talk of your “professor.” You look ridiculous. It’s dishonest, and it’s annoying.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool

    The assertion that Classical (i.e., Baroque, Classical, Romantic, Impressionistic, Nationalistic, 20th Century, Neo-classical, Expressionistic, Neo-Romantic, etc.) “is not particularly sophisticated in terms of rhythm at all” is, quite possibly, the dumbest, most ignorant, and laughably absurd statement regarding any aspect of music that I have ever encountered. Wow! Where to begin…
     
    It looks like this conversation has "struck a chord" with you for some reason. This probably won't help any. But the little Bach I've listened to — I find fugues boring — is not particularly rhythmically complex.


    Here's a rhythmic complexity test: Can you teach a random 4-year-old child to tap out the rhythm of a random 10-second snippet of song using a pencil on a desk in less than 10 minutes >90% of the time?

    Bach fugue: Yes.

    7/4 Caribbean Jazz project rendition of Night in Tunisia: Lol.
    , @Anonymous
    I am not an expert on nor am I especially interested in classical music. I listen to a few of the better known pieces here and there for light relief, I couldn't even name most of them. Nor am I a jazz expert though I did take a long Jazz Appreciation course for filer credits in community college. I have no special dog in this fight. You obviously do.

    I do know that outside of bowed string sections and double reeds most session guys are jazz guys. That's almost one hundred percent of the guitar players. All the famous LA guitar guys-Tedesco, Budimir, Ritenour, Carlton, etc-were jazz guys. None after the early fifties was a classical guitarist by training or inclination. The horn guys and the woodwind guys, except for bassoons and oboes, likewise.

    That isn't to say all jazz guys can do session work. I'm sure some would be complete fails.
  • @Anonymous
    If there is any place that Blacks come close to Whites, in terms of talent, it might be music. While rap and ghetto love songs are dogshit, it has to be said that there are Black performers, arrangers, composers, lyricists that if not up to the absolute peaks of White achievement, are at least pretty good.

    Nadia Boulanger never considered Quincy Jones the peak of her pedagogical efforts, to be sure, but he was certainly a competent arranger and film composer. Marilyn Horne was never the greatest mezzo of all time, but she was certainly a legitimate operatic figure. A number of black classical musicians fill orchestra chairs and most are considered about as good as the seat would attract.

    I'm no expert on classical music and I never will be: it doesn't interest me that much. Rock guitarists I know. There are a number of black guitar players that are about as good as there are in rock, in jazz, in blues, as well as bassists and drummers and keyboard players.

    In terms of popular singers, technically, Sarah Vaughan, Dinah Washington, Ella Fitzgerald, Nat King Cole, are tough to dismiss as incompetent or gimmicky. Diana Ross is a c*** as a person, but she leaves most white modern pop singers in the dust technically. As I said I'm not a fan of Beyonce, but she can sing, as her turn on Cadillac Records proves.

    Just because a people can't run a civilization doesn't mean they are not good at music, or athletics.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qs5emQ0Jgw

    If there is any place that Blacks come close to Whites, in terms of talent, it might be music.

    That is factually incorrect.

    …it has to be said that there are Black performers, arrangers, composers, lyricists that if not up to the absolute peaks of White achievement, are at least pretty good.

    Not even halfway close to White achievement by any stretch of charity. (And I don’t know of a single lyric written by a black that could measure up to, say, Gordon Lightfoot’s Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald (for example), or to Tim Rice’s body of work.

    Nadia Boulanger never considered Quincy Jones the peak of her pedagogical efforts, to be sure, but he was certainly a competent arranger and film composer.

    So what. There are loads of White guys you’ve never even heard of who’re better arrangers and composers than Quincy Jones.

    A number of black classical musicians fill orchestra chairs and most are considered about as good as the seat would attract.

    Yes, there are some talented black performers, but I already said this in one of my other posts. Fact is, they are a minuscule percentage compared to the general population, and none surpass the thousands of White musicians who’ve been doing all that stuff for centuries now, and better, and who, in fact, invented it.

    Rock guitarists I know. There are a number of black guitar players that are about as good as there are in rock, in jazz, in blues, as well as bassists and drummers and keyboard players.

    There are more oriental guitar players (for example) who are professionally competent than there are black ones, and the White ones are still by far the best. Sorry, but there are no black versions of Tommy Emmanuel or Ana Vidovic (just two of many examples).

    Just because a people can’t run a civilization doesn’t mean they are not good at music, or athletics.

    Oh gawd, what a silly straw man. I never said that there were zero talented black musicians, and I never said anything about athletics.

    Blacks don’t measure up to White accomplishment in music. My original statement stands.

    P.S. I don’t know why you posted the Nat King Cole video.

  • @Negrolphin Pool
    Not sure how you would define musical genius, but here are a few candidates: Art Tatum, Errol Garner, Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock, John Coltrane, Thelonius Monk, Mulgrew Miller and McCoy Tyner. Dexter Gordon, Wynton Kelly, Lee Morgan, both Hank and Elvin Jones and Oscar Peterson and could probably be thrown in as well. Oh, and I shouldn't forget Cecil Taylor, who may be the greatest genius on the list. But that last entry will take heavy flak even from some jazz aficionados.


    Those players all demonstrate differing kinds of genius in differing ways, but a strong case can be made for all. None are Franz Liszt or Alexander Scriabin, but neither are those two any of the above.

    You listed some talented jazz performers. Good ears, good kinesthetic coordination, and lots of practice, but at the end of the day it’s still just playing “licks” over the chord scale of the moment, and does not even halfway begin to rise to the level of “genius.”

    Tell me what great works of music any of them are responsible for. None, in fact. To be a “genius” without having any great work of music to show for it is a pretty neat trick indeed.

    As for the performing aspect of Liszt (etc.), he, Beethoven, Mozart, Bach (and others) all were amazing improvisers, a fact testified to by their contemporaries who were also accomplished musicians. We simply have no recordings of their performances since the technology was obviously not available then.

    Also, the specific genre of jazz (swing rhythms, playing “licks” over chord changes of short form songs, etc.) did not exist in Liszt’s time, so it’s kind of silly to say “Liszt wasn’t Errol Garner.” In addition to his improvisatory prowess, Liszt in fact had the ability to place the full orchestral score on his piano and, having never seen it before, play a perfect piano reduction of the whole thing right off the bat. Don’t make silly comparisons.

  • @AnotherDad
    I still haven't heard about black appreciation day at Starbucks--the day blacks get free drinks as reparations.

    This is such a great idea and in so many peoples' interest--including say Dunkin' Donuts, Tully's, Caribou, Seattle's Best, etc.--not to mention providing great entertainment. Ridiculous some more entreprenuerial folks haven't stepped up to the plate to get the word out.

    Normal people understand that non-paying customers don’t get to hog limited space at eateries. Neither blacks nor lefties are normal.

  • @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    The "King Kunta" lyrics are pretty clever; it requires knowing about the legend of King Kunta, a black slave who was granted his freedom but then had his legs cut off.

    If you want to pick a bone with hip-hop, Kendrick is not the artist to do it with. I can't help but think a lot of commenters here don't understand art if they're quoting these lyrics out of context and bashing them because they feature expletives and references to things they don't understand. You can't divorce them from music and context.

    1) Rappers don’t write their stuff.

    2) You have zero expertise regarding lyrics and music. Awarding a Pulitzer to a rapper means the Pulitzer no longer has any prestige as an award for cultural or artistic achievement.

    • Agree: Kylie
  • @interesting
    Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Shelby Steele to name a few.

    Those are the same three always trotted out by the “I’m not racist” Republicans like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.

    • Replies: @interesting
    okay.....I get your back handed insult.....but tell me....are they wrong?

    And hey there race baiter, here's another one for ya.....Larry Elder.....I have more if you wanna bait me some more?
  • @Joe Stalin
    I had a Black woman tell me where I used to work that African men consider White females to be the best looking of all.

    White women are the best looking women all. That’s why black men rape so many White women.

  • @kaganovitch
    I work in a big food service operation in the NYC metro area which is around %50 black. I have heard this expressed dozens of times by blacks. Even those being terminated for their 5th no call no show.

    Deflection of personal responsibility is the default whine for blacks.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Deflection of personal responsibility is the default whine for blacks
     
    Dorothy Legrand was a black businesswoman who ran for Congress in North Minneapolis in 1994. "Personal responsibility" was her theme, her mantra, in that election. She used the term numerous times in the one rally I attended.

    She got a whopping 37% against incumbent Martin Sabo, who goes by Martin Olav Sabo during election seasons, to emphasize his Nordicity.

    Blacks would much sooner vote for a blond Viking who throws coins from the float than for a hectoring one of their own who refuses to.
  • @Pericles

    despite what some IQ obsessed white advocates say
     
    I'd say blacks overperform on musical and verbal ability when one considers their IQ. They clearly love both. I bear them no ill will for it.

    Blacks enjoy the exhibitionistic aspect of performing, but there is a hard ceiling of talent beyond which none have ever gone, but which countless Whites have.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    If there is any place that Blacks come close to Whites, in terms of talent, it might be music. While rap and ghetto love songs are dogshit, it has to be said that there are Black performers, arrangers, composers, lyricists that if not up to the absolute peaks of White achievement, are at least pretty good.

    Nadia Boulanger never considered Quincy Jones the peak of her pedagogical efforts, to be sure, but he was certainly a competent arranger and film composer. Marilyn Horne was never the greatest mezzo of all time, but she was certainly a legitimate operatic figure. A number of black classical musicians fill orchestra chairs and most are considered about as good as the seat would attract.

    I'm no expert on classical music and I never will be: it doesn't interest me that much. Rock guitarists I know. There are a number of black guitar players that are about as good as there are in rock, in jazz, in blues, as well as bassists and drummers and keyboard players.

    In terms of popular singers, technically, Sarah Vaughan, Dinah Washington, Ella Fitzgerald, Nat King Cole, are tough to dismiss as incompetent or gimmicky. Diana Ross is a c*** as a person, but she leaves most white modern pop singers in the dust technically. As I said I'm not a fan of Beyonce, but she can sing, as her turn on Cadillac Records proves.

    Just because a people can't run a civilization doesn't mean they are not good at music, or athletics.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qs5emQ0Jgw
  • @Anonymous
    What about that would be surprising?

    He's generally considered the best rapper of his generation; whether or not you enjoy listening to rap it is an objective fact that it's extremely competitive and millions wish they were their generations most celebrated rapper

    Being considered “the best rapper of your generation” is every bit as meaningful as being considered “the best spewer of tasteless degenerate crap of your generation.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  • @J1234

    [Beyonce] is the most beloved artist on the face of the planet,
     
    That's a fact. There are charts and statistics on belovedness that prove it.

    What black influence has done over the last 100 years, generally speaking, is to gradually move the emphasis away from composition in popular music towards performance. (The recording industry also played a part in that, too, though.) Why didn't the Beatles and Led Zeppelin and Creedence Clearwater Revival dance during gigs in the 1960's? Because that's what the Temptations did. White bands of the era were more about new musical horizons.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK867ovW7AQ

    To be fair, black musicians accomplished amazing things during the 20th century, often demonstrating true genius (despite what some IQ obsessed white advocates say), but even when armed with musical genius, the black mind seems to place style over substance. That's why Ella Fitzgerald can make Old MacDonald a jazz standard. This style oriented mindset has leeched over into non-artistic endeavors. Court cases can be won with phrases like, "if it doesn't fit, you must acquit."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Fmwgf0NRA

    I am not aware of any black musical geniuses, and if there were, I’d definitely be one to know. There have been some talented black performers, but that’s about it.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
    Not sure how you would define musical genius, but here are a few candidates: Art Tatum, Errol Garner, Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock, John Coltrane, Thelonius Monk, Mulgrew Miller and McCoy Tyner. Dexter Gordon, Wynton Kelly, Lee Morgan, both Hank and Elvin Jones and Oscar Peterson and could probably be thrown in as well. Oh, and I shouldn't forget Cecil Taylor, who may be the greatest genius on the list. But that last entry will take heavy flak even from some jazz aficionados.


    Those players all demonstrate differing kinds of genius in differing ways, but a strong case can be made for all. None are Franz Liszt or Alexander Scriabin, but neither are those two any of the above.

    , @J1234

    I am not aware of any black musical geniuses, and if there were, I’d definitely be one to know.
     
    Scott Joplin. Louis Armstrong. Charlie Christian. I could go on, but there are probably countless unacknowledged negro musical geniuses who have been lost to history. I'm talking largely about people from the early to mid twentieth century.

    Because rap music is - and much of motown was - pretty bad, that doesn't mean there weren't periods of great musical productivity within black culture. Absurdities like rap gained popularity by resting on the laurels of previous black musical forms that gave black musical influence a good name. That those previous musical forms were recognized and influential around the world wasn't arbitrary or serendipitous.

    I know that "genius" is thrown around were it shouldn't be on the likes of Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson, but the people who invented boogie woogie (Jelly Roll Morton and such) truly had something of value to present to the world, whether it was simple or complex. Just a reminder: intelligence is not a category with which to compartmentalize people. It's a distribution, just as Charles Murray says. This is true for every population of human beings.

  • @Bill in Tokyo
    One of the hardest working men I ever met was a black man going on 60. He worked in the basement of a wine store on Madison Ave. in the cellar. He climbed up and down shelves to get bottles and worked an elevator by hand with a rope. It was a busy store.

    A black person doing something useful. Such a fascinating story!

  • @Anonymous
    The best black athletes tend to be exceptionally hard workers. That's what separates them from the merely talented. Ask someone who's trained with Floyd Mayweather.

    Same applies to music. Quincy Jones thinks The Beatles were pikers because he never would have put up with people being so sloppy as a live band.


    Michael Jordans brother was a highly respected sergeant major; I'm guessing he also knew something about hard work and demanding it.



    ...so yeah, we've met some black people who work hard. Also in sales, small business, factories....many fields where plenty of blacks make their reputations with hard work.

    Taking advantage of Affirmative Action = hard work.

    Haha, okay.

  • @Tiny Duck
    Hate to break it to you but People of Color will not be deterred by white shenanigans and will stand together as one against white supremacy

    Hate to break it to you, but “People of color™” (a silly term) would still be wiping their ass with banana leaves, living in mud huts, and sitting around the goat dung fire picking fleas out of their beard without White people.

  • @PSR
    "Work twice as hard?" I'm gonna say that even most American blacks would roll their eyes at that one.

    Working at all for most black people is a humiliation to their excellence, and qualifies as “working twice as hard.”

  • @Lot
    Since I never heard of him, I decided to read the lyrics of Kendrick Lamar's To Pimp a Butterfly album, which wikipedia says is his best regarded. (I know better than to subject myself to the actual "music.")

    From the opening track:

    When I get signed, homie I'mma act a fool
    Hit the dance floor, strobe lights in the room
    Snatch your little secretary bitch for the homies
    Blue eyed devil with a fat ass monkey
    I'mma buy a brand new Caddy on fours
    Trunk the hood up, two times, deuce four
    Platinum on everything, platinum on wedding ring
    Married to the game, made a bad bitch yours
    When I get signed homie I'mma buy a strap
    Straight from the CIA, set it on my lap
    Take a few M-16s to the hood
    Pass 'em all out on the block, what's good?
     
    From King Kunta

    I got a bone to pick
    I don't want you monkey mouth motherfuckers sittin' in my throne again
    (Aye aye nigga what's happenin' nigga, K Dot back in the hood nigga)
    I'm mad (He mad), but I ain't stressin'
    True friends, one question
    Bitch where you when I was walkin'?
    Now I run the game got the whole world talkin' (King Kunta)
    Everybody wanna cut the legs off him (King Kunta) Kunta
    Black man taking no losses
    Bitch where you when I was walkin'?
    Now I run the game, got the whole world talkin' (King Kunta)
    Everybody wanna cut the legs off him
     
    From "The Blacker the Berry"

    Six in the mornin', fire in the street
    Burn, baby burn, that's all I wanna see
    And sometimes I get off watchin' you die in vain
    It's such a shame they may call me crazy
    They may say I suffer from schizophrenia or somethin'
    But homie you made me
    Black don't crack my nigga
     
    From "Hood Politics"

    I been A-1 since day one, you niggas boo boo
    Your home boy, your block that you're from, boo boo
    Lil hoes you went to school with, boo boo
    Baby mama and your new bitch, boo boo
    We was in the hood, 14 with the deuce deuce
    14 years later going hard, like we used to on the dead homies
    On the dead homies
     

    And here I thought that giving a Pulitzer to a negro rapper was a full lip-lock french kiss with trash culture. I stand corrected!

  • Introduction As of April 7, nearly three thousand unarmed Christian, Muslim and secular Palestinians have been wounded, over three dozen are in critical condition and at least twenty-five unarmed protestors, including children have been assassinated by hundreds of Israeli snipers and heavily armed troops shooting tank shells into crowds of civilians protesting their decades of...
  • @WorkingClass
    Israel is small change. America murders people in the thousands annually.

    And the Neocon “American” government does it on behalf of Israel, so we’re back to Israel being big change, not small.

  • We are currently living the most dangerous days in human history. You think that this is hyperbole? Think again. We are risking a nuclear Armageddon The first thing to realize is that this is not, repeat, not about Syria or chemical weapons, not in Salsbury, not in Douma. That kind of nonsense is just “mental...
  • @Mulegino1
    Yes, I am certain that the invincible American military, fresh from its overwhelming victories against such military giants as Grenada, Panama, Haiti, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya would make short work of the feeble Russian forces- Hollywood has demonstrated this time and time again. We all know it was Tom Hanks who won the war against Germany virtually single handed. It was Private Ryan, not Private Ivan, who gained the upper hand against the Hun. Those hundreds of Soviet divisions tying down the bulk of the Wehrmacht were simply engaged in a sideshow, while the outnumbered and outgunned Americans sliced through the German lines like hot knives through butter. How can one doubt this, if Hollywood has declared it to be so?

    The fact of the matter is that the US military has not faced an enemy at rough conventional parity with itself since it was sucker punched by the low tech Chinese in Korea. And that conflict hardly resulted in a decisive victory, seeing as the hostilities ended in a mere ceasefire. American military invincibility is a very dangerous legend, a legend which has heretofore served as an anodyne bedtime story to somnolent sunshine patriots and neocon warmongers and has led to criminal conflict after criminal conflict for the benefit of the usual tribal suspects.

    If the U.S. has a conventional war with Russia we will slaughter them. I don’t want that to happen, but it just might if you Russian posers keep up with the bluffing and tuff-guy talk. You’re sure as hell not going to beat us with your cheesy, amateur hour computer video. Putin embarrassed himself with that one, and my sympathy for the Russian side declined somewhat.

    As for the skirmishes you mention, well, so what? Russia, too, has had small skirmishes.

    As for WWII:

    1) The Americans had to project their power all the way to another continent. That’s a really big deal, but you wouldn’t know that since you live according to “America sucks.”

    2) The lame-ass Commies fought on their own soil mostly, with excursions into Germany that would not have been possible had the Americans not entered the war and siphoned off the Germany army to lighten the load for the struggling Russians, and had the Americans not supplied the Soviets with war materiel.

    3) Therefore, the Russians owe us eternal thanks. Especially since we didn’t have to enter the war at all, and since the Russians were a bunch of lousy, genocidal, psychopath commies at the time. Frankly, we fought on the wrong side.

    As for the U.S. not having a war recently with someone of equal parity, well of course not. There is no one of equal parity.

    As for Korea, the U.S. was not “sucker punched” by anyone. You amateur hour military historians never seem to understand that Korean and Vietnam (and the other stupid interventions) were purposely designed by the lowlife sell-out politicians to prolong the issue and not end in any sort of decisive victory. This is very basic, ya igit.

    “American military invincibility is a very dangerous legend, a legend which has heretofore served as an anodyne bedtime story to somnolent sunshine patriots and neocon warmongers and has led to criminal conflict after criminal conflict for the benefit of the usual tribal suspects.”

    This obnoxious quote by you is an example of the type of presumptuous reaction that people like you engage in on a routine basis. I’ll take apart, one piece at a time:

    1) “Somnolent sunshine patriots”? “Anodyne bedtime story”? Oh brother. Let me guess. Creative writing class at the local community college? What other stupid shite would you like to pull outta yer ass?

    2) “American invincibility”? I said no such thing. This “The Saker” head case is the one that does the “Russians are awesome/Americans suck” comparison about three times a damn week, so don’t pretend that I’m the one pressing the issue. He’s no more an expert than lots of other people, less so than lots of other people, and he doesn’t know a damned thing about top secret American military tech.

    3) I have no problem with what you said about the Neocons. I knew Trump would sell us out the minute he went to AIPAC during the election campaign and started singing for his supper. Many times thereafter that assessment was repeatedly affirmed. I’ve been telling everyone I know that these chemical attacks in Syria, if they happened at all, were false flags.

    • Replies: @ValmMond

    If the U.S. has a conventional war with Russia we will slaughter them.
     
    What for ? So that you could hold military gay-pride parades on the Red Square?
    Do you think that Russians are like those camel jockeys you use to kill by drone from the comfort of your HQ back in California and be home in time for happy hour?
    No wonder zionists consider you "just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy” (Henry Kissinger). There is a reason the US military only advertises in low income (IQ?) neighborhoods. You want to fight for your country? Go on the Mexican border, stand up for the Constitution and hold accountable the neocons who betrayed you. Peace.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Your idiocy is astounding! Win or lose, life in America after a bust up with Russia will be nothing like you could imagine, and certainly not for the better. Now go and pound your chest a bit more.
    , @Mulegino1
    Typical Le American Bear spewing a bunch of kosher Hollywood induced propaganda crap. USA, USA! So typical of the fools and morons that cheer and roar when those tawdry gigantic flags are rolled out on the field and the flyover of your taxpayer funded F-16's begins to commence the great Dumbmerican spectacle, the Stupor Bowl, where our anthem is butchered by some caterwauling whore and the lobotomized proles sit there in slack jawed wonder and ponder the disgusting orgy of consumerism and Satanic symbolism.

    There would be nothing wrong with the United States military if it had not been used as the instrument for the destruction and enslavement of most of Europe, then to spread death and destruction on a heretofore unparalleled scale all over the world. But it was. Your cherished mythology of America as "liberator" is being deconstructed as real history is revealed and the tsunami of third world scoria floods the ancestral homeland of Christendom.

    In your dreams, the invincible American legions slaughter our Russian Christian brethren. In reality,the US military is utterly incapable of fighting a conventional war against Russia on the Eurasian landmass. A significant ground force could not be transported or staged anywhere near the Russian heartland without being totally destroyed.

    Unlike the American military doctrine, which is to project power against much weaker nations all over the earth using obsolete battle wagon carrier groups, Russian military doctrine is about operating within a 1000 kilometer radius of the Russian borders.

    The USSR was able to rebound after its massive invasion forces were preempted by Operation Barbarossa, and effectively win the ground war in Europe against the Wehrmacht - not a tranny or G.I. Jane among them- how do you expect our own feminized NATO forces to prevail against the bear? Perhaps you should ponder that photograph of those US Army cadets forced to march in red high heels.
  • @ValmMond
    According to J. Robert Lilly and his book "Taken By Force", between 1945 and 1946 American servicemen in Germany raped some 11,000 women.
    It was worse in the Pacific Theater. American troops raped 10,000 women on Okinawa alone. The vast majority of rapes went unreported. Some Marines would stay behind after fighting had stopped so that they could regularly raid villages and rape women.
    In France, American GIs raped also thousands. In the most egregious cases, the rapists were caught and sentenced. But most went unreported and unaccounted for.

    The rapes went unreported but some guy knows about them anyway! Right…

    The awesome Russians did most of the raping by far. The awesome Russians also slaughtered tens of millions of their own people.

    • Replies: @ValmMond

    " The awesome Russians also slaughtered tens of millions of their own people."
     
    And your solid and authoritative sources are ... ?
    No doubt your speak fluent Russian and have based you numbers on census records, judicial registries, NKVD & KGB archives, Soviet demographic polls, ГАРФ-ОГПУ-МВД-МГБ statistics, broke down by year, region etc. Right?
    , @ValmMond
    The "massive" Red Army rapes" myth is a cold war propaganda construct. It's true, that some Soviet soldiers have occasionally executed Axis and Wehrmacht prisoners without following proper court marshals protocole. Who could blame them after Stalingrad. Personally, I wish I could change the fact that my Russian grand-fathers didn't kill more of your conniving, barbaric, bloodthirsty ancestors. Yet, it gives me solace to remember that at the end of the day, we paved the road to Berlin with their smoking corpses.
    , @Mulegino1
    You might also be interested in the well known and well documented mass rape committed upon the Italian women in the villages surrounding Monte Cassino by the "Free French Forces" under General Jouin.

    This action, along with the needless destruction of the ancient and historic abbey (which could be considered the birthplace of European Christendom) was emblematic of the barbarity and savagery of the so called "liberators." The abbey itself was not occupied by the Germans, who merely used the hills surrounding it as a redoubt.

  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    Team America tough guys. Go actually fight some goat herders, instead of dropping bombs on them from the safety of an aircraft carrier. And while we’re on the subject, the German high command had a rather low opinion of American soldiers. On D-Day celebrations, remember how you fought kids while the experienced soldiers were getting routed by the Soviets in Operation Bagration.

    Thank you for disrespecting the awesome and brave American soldiers at Normandy (who were mostly 18 years old by the way). Your sorry ilk is what makes me less sympathetic to the America-hating maggots that populate this Russophilic site.

    The Americans had to project their power all the way to another continent. That’s a really big deal, but you wouldn’t know that since you live according to “America sucks.”

    The lame-ass Commies fought on their own soil mostly, with excursions into Germany that would not have been possible had the Americans not entered the war, and had the Americans not supplied the Soviets with war materiel.

    And by the way, stick your fake history. People like you always have an alternate version of everything, and wouldn’t you know it, it’s always “the real story”.

    And if it helps you understand a little better of the kind of damage your incessant America bashing and Russian cheerleading is doing, bear in mind that no one hates the American government, the Neocons, Israel, foreign interventions and meddling, and these damn attacks on Syria based on false flags more than I do. But if Putin puts out another cheesy, amaterish video of Russian nukes landing on Florida or any other U.S. state, you — and HE — will learn that we’re not scared, but mostly just pissed. He’s going to make an enemy of people like me who had some amount of sympathy and regard for Russia. Have fun with that, dumbass.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    The productive capacity of America to wage war is indeed impressive. And historically it has been wielded by choice, against weaker/inferior/beaten opponents. (The best German troops were in the East, and the only time the Americans faced the Germans on more or less equal terms (the Ardennes offensive), they were nearly driven back to England before German supply lines were exhausted, this was late 1944 don’t forget.) The “brave and awesome”’soldiers in WW2 were fighting a war that served no American interest, indeed it facilitated the very forces that have led us to our current state of ruin. You claim to hate the neocons? Their rise to power would not be possible without the myths established by American participation in WW2.
  • This “The Saker” guy seems to think he has access to U.S. top secret military technology. I can assure you, he does not. His “Russians are the best” obsession is wearisome. I almost wish the U.S. would have a conventional war with his beloved Russia so at least “The Saker” would be put in his proper place. Russia will not vanquish the U.S. with their cheesy and amateurish, 90’s style computer animation video showing us supposedly all the awesome yet unproven things their neat missiles can do. They tried this with Eisenhower, but the superior U.S. U2 spy plane was able to tell us that the Russians were blowing smoke.

    If the Russians want to get out from under their present predicament, I would strongly suggest you cease from any further lame animations showing one of your missiles bombing Florida. You won’t scare us. You’ll just piss us off. Good luck with that, posers.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
    Yes, I am certain that the invincible American military, fresh from its overwhelming victories against such military giants as Grenada, Panama, Haiti, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya would make short work of the feeble Russian forces- Hollywood has demonstrated this time and time again. We all know it was Tom Hanks who won the war against Germany virtually single handed. It was Private Ryan, not Private Ivan, who gained the upper hand against the Hun. Those hundreds of Soviet divisions tying down the bulk of the Wehrmacht were simply engaged in a sideshow, while the outnumbered and outgunned Americans sliced through the German lines like hot knives through butter. How can one doubt this, if Hollywood has declared it to be so?

    The fact of the matter is that the US military has not faced an enemy at rough conventional parity with itself since it was sucker punched by the low tech Chinese in Korea. And that conflict hardly resulted in a decisive victory, seeing as the hostilities ended in a mere ceasefire. American military invincibility is a very dangerous legend, a legend which has heretofore served as an anodyne bedtime story to somnolent sunshine patriots and neocon warmongers and has led to criminal conflict after criminal conflict for the benefit of the usual tribal suspects.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Team America tough guys. Go actually fight some goat herders, instead of dropping bombs on them from the safety of an aircraft carrier. And while we’re on the subject, the German high command had a rather low opinion of American soldiers. On D-Day celebrations, remember how you fought kids while the experienced soldiers were getting routed by the Soviets in Operation Bagration.
  • Behind President Donald Trump’s bluster and threats over Syria, powerful forces are pushing the US towards war with Russia and Syria: the neocons and the military industrial complex. For a candidate who once proposed a normal relationship with Russia, just peace in the Mideast, and an end to America’s foreign wars Donald Trump is now...
  • Wars for Israel are bad, and if Israel sank to the bottom of the ocean I honestly wouldn’t care, but that doesn’t mean I can’t likewise hate Islam. If muslims stay put where they belong, don’t enter White countries, and don’t stir up crap, then that’s fine. But I can’t stand them anymore than I can stand the Israelis.

    I am a Christian, and have no choice but to hate evil. Deal with it.

  • Size does matter and so does range and speed whenever anyone talks about weapons. It seems that there is a great deal of confusion which perpetuates itself in regards to a relatively small Russian military contingent in Syria. The most popular indicator of this confusion is a never ending discussion of a possible American attack...
  • @Wally
    Got proof?

    You want him to prove the future? That’s kinda dumb.

  • During the August 2008 Russo-Georgian War, the operations of Russia's 58th Army were termed as “coercion into peace”. It is an appropriate term once one recalls what truly was at stake then. Russians did win that war and, indeed, coerced Georgia into a much more peaceful mood. In Clausewitzian terms the Russians achieved the main...
  • @DESERT FOX
    Thank God for Russia and Putin, at last their is a country and a man who the Zionist neocons in the U.S. and Israel and Britain can not invade and destroy for the Zionist NWO, the tide has changed.

    Yes, thank God for Russia. The world enjoyed their nearly a whole century’s worth of keeping everyone on edge and their KGB poisoning U.S. institutions. Unfortunately for them, the poisoning of those institutions is largely why the U.S. is currently so sick, and therefore incapable of reassessing its relationship with Russia in a more positive direction.

  • There are two myths which are deeply imprinted in the minds of most US Americans which are extremely dangerous and which can result in a war with Russia. The first myth is the myth of US military superiority. The second myth is the myth of US invulnerability. I believe that it is therefore crucial to...
  • @Rich
    Does the Saker actually believe that conventional weapons would have any effect on a war between the US and Russia? Does anyone? As soon as either nation's territory was threatened, the nukes would fly and the war would be over. It's that simple. There can be no limited war between the US and Russia. The chance for a semi-limited war between the US and China is probably still possible, but that time is quickly fading. Soon the Chinese will be as invulnerable as the US and Russia, if they haven't reached that point already. The purpose of the US conventional force now is to keep smaller US allies safe from invasion, and to intimidate smaller nations that act against US interests. Probably time for the Saker to get off this comparison of US and Russian conventional force showdown.

    “Probably time for the Saker to get off this comparison of US and Russian conventional force showdown.”
    ____________________

    And his incessant assertions of what he claims “the majority of Americans think.”

  • On April 6, the US Treasury Department extended sanctions against a number of Russian billionaires, including: Heads of state owned energy giants Sechin (Rosneft) and Miller (Gazprom) Putin's circle of silovarch chums and friendly billionaires, e.g. Kirill Shalamov (Putin's former son-in-law), Fursenko, Patrushev, Zolotov, Dyumin (a long rumored successor) The "oligarchs" (which they are not)...
  • @Polish Perspective

    Long-term efforts also need to be made to cultivate Germany, South Korea, and Japan.
     
    I would put greater stress on China, to be frank. All three above are US colonies in all but name. Germany in particular is completely slavish to US dictates. Merkel even spied on EU "allies" on behalf of Washington when Obama was president. The only thing keeping her to a more strident EU-line lately is Trump's constant attacks on the EU. The moment he gets booted out and a neoliberal is elected, preferably a woman if the ZOG elites have their way, Merkel will turn on a dime to become the biggest supplicant possible.

    China is already quite advanced in numerous industries and the fact that the latest tariffs against them have, in part, been motivated by the rapid advances in Chinese AI capabilities underlines this point.

    The only argument against China, and it's a good one, is to avoid putting all eggs in one basket. Diversification is always a good strategy. But to the extent that any non-Chinese country should be approached, I would focus on SK and Japan over any European country. I think Japan in particular would be a good partner, given that SK is much more in need of immediate US military protection due to the obvious problem above the 38th parallel, which in turn increases Washington's leverage over SK.

    The Chinese have shifted their gaze away from Japan and now focus more intently on India, especially post-BJP rule, which means that the geopolitical glue will gradually become weaker. Still, the US influence over both SK and Japan is still substantial and the room for serious co-operation will be hindered by this alone. China really is the best bet, to the extent this can be played.

    China’s “advances” are actually American advances, stolen by China.

  • There are some fairly good reasons in favor of Russia's decision to intervene in Syria, which is why I have always been modestly if unenthusiastically supportive of it: It is basically a giant and continuous live training exercise for Russian pilots and generals, making it almost "free" in financial terms. The value of the Khmeimim...
  • @animalogic
    "This is bigger than Syria. We’re talking about rules of international order here"
    Absolutely.
    Really, what options does Russia have: either bend over or draw lines in the sand?
    Look at the Western provocations over the last 10 or so years: Chechna, Georgia, Ukraine, downed airliners, sanctions, sanctions, sanctions, (Iraq, Libyia) Syria, alleged chemical attacks, all hyped to the point you'd think Russia guilty of crucifying you-know-who.
    If Russia is guilty of anything it is grossly under estimating the pathological nature of Western politics. At least the Stavka has been initiated.
    As an aside, I am increasingly disappointed in China. Do they not see that Russia is merely the first course ? THEY are the main meal. Its about time they asserted themselves: old story - hang together, or be hanged alone.

    By all means, cheer for the Chinese.

  • Please show the mathematical equations you employed to arrive at 0.1% chance.

  • The Third World child soldier is a familiar image—a young boy (usually aged 14 or younger), dressed in ill-fitting fatigues, frequently smoking a cigarette and totting an AK-47. These soldiers are widely condemned and banned by international treaty, and for obvious reasons. Do these youngsters really grasp what they are fighting for? Are they sufficiently...
  • @anonymous
    This column is afflicted with Mr. Weissberg's typical typos, but much better than his recent run of whack-a-blackery. Acknowledging the exploitation of children by abortion opponents indicates that he is sincere and principled about the topic.

    But why the clumsy, needless focus on "many black and Hispanic students" near the end? This isn't only off-putting to so-called "normies," but something that makes the sentence less true. Here, try it this way:

    "Moreover, many students need all the classroom [time] they can get without achieving their fifteen seconds of TV fame to advance some celebrity-endorsed trendy causes."

    I guess it wouldn't be a Weissberg column without a kibble for those who enjoy being reassured that they're racially superior. Or maybe he's troling.

    Thank you for that, Hall Monitor. Your moral superiority is awesome to behold. I look forward to your next instance of virtue signaling.

  • March 2018 will go down in history as a truly historical month March 1st, Vladimir Putin makes his historical address to the Russian Federal Assembly. March 4th, Sergei Skripal, a former UK spy, is allegedly poisoned in the UK. March 8th, British officials accuse Russia of using nerve gas to attempt to murder Sergei Skripal....
  • @Adrian E.

    Those who fantasize about Russia being interested in “Europe”, “White identity” or “Western Christianity” are only kidding themselves. They hope that the current cultural and spiritual revival in Russia will somehow spill over to them and allow them to extricate themselves from the gutter in which they are currently prostrated. It won’t. Just read again what Simonian said about the western “values” in the quote above. For most Russians “Europe” reeks of Napoleon, “White identity” of Hitler and “Western Christianity” of the creation of the Ukraine and the “Eastern Crusades“. No, Russia has no interest in revenge against any of that, she just has no respect or interest for what these concepts stand for. (Poland – is possibly the last country where all these things are taken seriously and fondly remembered).
     
    I think that is very important. I find it rather odd when some people from the alt-right project their ideals on Russia. Of course, many of these people reject the neoconservative agenda for legitimate reasons, and therefore, it is normal that they also reject Russophobia, and that should be welcomed by most people who do not support the neoconservative agenda. However, they should not think the widespread rejection of Western influence in Russia has much to do with their own ideology.

    For most Russians, the difference between hypocritical Western liberals who want to dominate the world with their "values" (and military and economic means for spreading them) and white supremacists is hardly that big, both are a consequence of a similar kind of arrogance towards the rest of the world. Certainly, some white supremacists may under some circumstances be ready to accept Russians as fellow whites, but probably, the path back to regarding them as Asian subhumans is never too long.

    Russians are mostly white, but Russia is a multinational and multiracial Eurasian country that is very far from being "racially pure", even as far as many ethnic Russians are concerned, and racism in the narrow sense has hardly ever had much support in Russia. Russia's main religion is Orthodox Christianity, but Islam and Buddhism are also domestic religions in Russia, and there has been an adversarial relationship between Western Christianity and Orthodox Christianity for centuries.

    Ideologically, Western alt-right ideologues would be much more likely to find relatively widespread support for their ideas in Poland, the Baltic states, and among nationalists in Western Ukraine - mainly among the most Russophobic elements of European societies. Much of the daily hatred against "the Russians" in the Anglophone media is full of unambiguos bigotry, and even if some of the people believing in Western white identity are currently less extreme with respect to Russia than the liberal racist bigots who think that they are progressive because they hate Russians rather than Mexicans, this is rather a kind of liberals acting as racist supremacists than a genuine split between these two Western ideologies.

    In Russia, the constant aggressive rhetoric from Western countries will hardly lead to Russians rejecting the liberal West while embracing nationalist Westerners concentrating on white identity, rather both versions of Western ideology are seen as similarly disgusting. It is doubtful whether in Soviet times, many people really believed in the official anti-imperialist Soviet ideology because the propaganda was too artificial. Now, no special propaganda efforts are needed, the aggressive, arrogant statement of Western politicians and journalists can simply be shown in the original.

    You lost your own argument when you used the phony “White supremacists” ploy. White people who merely don’t hate themselves, their race, or want their country and culture to be subjugated by non-white hostiles is not “White supremacy.” This is not difficult to understand.

  • I got a smile or two out of this March 14th piece in Scientific American, title: Why Are White Men Stockpiling Guns? Subtitle: “Research suggests it’s largely because they’re anxious about their ability to protect their families, insecure about their place in the job market and beset by racial fears.” [By Jeremy Adam Smith,March 14,...
  • @deschutes
    Step back and look at the USA of the last 30 or so years in terms of gun violence. From Columbine, up to the most recent FL mass shooting, the USA is the ONLY country which has this self-inflicted epidemic of gun violence of Americans killing Americans by the dozens, by the hundreds, etc.

    Mr Chieh: you live in a very fucked up country my friend. You can go ahead and act all cowboy, and spout off about how well you will do in an actual breakdown of civil society where you will be John Wayne Jr kicking ass with your Winchester .33, but you know what? In that scenario, you will inevitably be killed by others with more on their side, better weapons, better logistics etc.

    You are in denial if you think that mass shootings every week/every month/etc are an acceptable way of life in USA. And your solution mr cowboy? Arming teachers with guns? LOL! Then you'll have students bringing guns into the classroom to kill the teacher, etc. Arming everybody to the teeth will invariably lead to even more killings, it is obvious: especially given the unusually high number of really dumb, drug addled, backwards redneck, angry white dumbfucks that make up in very large part the cohort of the USA.

    Good luck John Wayne jr. You will need it. I feel sorry for you and your country :-(

    I always marvel at the profound ignorance of the hoplophobe crowd. The salient facts which must be considered if discussing this subject honestly are routinely ignored. Instead, the hoplophobe resorts to parroting the same asinine assertions he’s heard elsewhere, lies, over and over. There are entire books written on the subject that annihilate these hoplophobic scolds, but such people are not interested in an honest and whole assessment of the issue.

    You can always tell right off when you’re dealing with an anti-gun sissy when he uses the idiotic formulation of “gun violence.”

    You can always tell right off when you’re dealing with an anti-gun sissy when he utterly fails to look at the racial breakdown of crimes where a gun was used, and, importantly, where existing gun laws were broken, including the use of black market firearms by convicted felons.

    You can always tell right off when you’re dealing with an anti-gun sissy when he can’t be bothered with addressing the fact that some of the largest mass shootings were committed in Europe, when anti-gun laws are the hoplophobes wet dream.

    You can always tell right off when you’re dealing with an anti-gun sissy when he fails to understand that the U.S. is a much larger population than any European nation, and per capita breakdown are kind of important.

    You can always tell right off when you’re dealing with an anti-gun sissy when he starts in with the “John Wayne” mischaracterization of gun owners.

    You can always tell right off when you’re dealing with an anti-gun sissy when he is obnoxiously ignorant of the fact that every single day in the U.S., many people who would otherwise be vulnerable are instead able to defend life of self and of family, and, moreover, most of those instances don’t involve even shooting the gun.

    You can always tell right off when you’re dealing with an anti-gun sissy when he he plays the concern troll, i.e., “I feel sorry for you and your country.” Anyone with that view doesn’t even know my country. I’ve been all over the world and Americans enjoy a quality of life higher than anywhere else.

    You can always tell right off when you’re dealing with an anti-gun sissy when he can’t wrap his head around the fact that gun laws will not prevent mass murders, but they will yield explosive growth for black market firearms.

    You can always tell right off when you’re dealing with an anti-gun sissy when he obsesses over “assault rifles” and, more particularly, AR-15’s.

    You can always tell right off when you’re dealing with an anti-gun sissy when he refuses to acknowledge that Americans are safer and more secure than most other people. Violent crime that happens in the States is largely confined to ugly areas where “vibrant diversity” is the order of the day.

    You can always tell right off when you’re dealing with an anti-gun sissy when he is too much of a certifiable dummy to know that he is a sitting duck, no matter where in the world he may be.

    The list goes on and on and on…

    That said, I enjoy the fact that I can own and use firearms without the permission of Leftwing lowlifes or of anybody else.

  • @Thorfinnsson
    American hoplophilia isn't just down to fear of blacks, though that obviously plays a role.

    They're romanticized as instrumental in the American Revolution and the story of the frontier and the Old West.

    Beyond that guns are fun and cool. There's a case for regulation, though as we know our enemies act in bad faith and simply hate and fear guns (and us). A lot of people like guns for the same reason they like pickup trucks and muscle cars.

    Bear in mind that blacks are a small fraction of the population. The real enemy is someone else, who is of course allied with the blacks.

    Granted, that population share could change quite quickly in light of The World's Most Important Graph™.

    It doesn’t matter what percentage of the population blacks comprise if you’re stuck in traffic while being surrounded by rioting blacks ready to rip you out of your car and stomp you to death.

    As for there supposedly being a case for regulation, what case for what regulation?

  • For many on the alt-right, every grievance is, at root, about Jews. Andrew Anglin, host of the most popular alt-right/neo-Nazi website, explains: “the only thing in our movement that really matters [is] anti-Semitism.” If only the Jews were gone, he argues, the white race, freed from bondage, would immediately overcome all of its problems. Where...
  • @Bardon Kaldian
    This article is an improvement over antisemitic blather which has become the identifier of Unz site. On the other hand, authors seem to perpetuate many old myths; also, their critique is within boundaries of strong IQ orthodoxy.

    So, just a few casual observations.

    Evo-psych is not much of a science, which makes it similar to psychoanalysis. I am not saying it is worthless, just ... MacDonald simply does not understand roots of Freudian psychoanalysis (Schopenhauer, Pierre Janet, intellectual climate of the fin de siecle, ..). Freud thought of himself as "Darwin of the Mind" & hoped that his "metaphysics of mind" would prove to be as exact as biology or physiology at the turn of the century. Nothing "subversive" about it, just a failed science & great literature. Freud's work remains one of the monuments of modern German (and Western) literature, similar to that of literary philosophers like Schopenhauer & Nietzsche- but it is basically useless either as a branch of psychiatry or a therapy. Essentially, Freud was a mythmaker (primal horde, the dynamic unconscious which is subconscious, triple division of mind, complexes, defense mechanisms, eros & thanatos,..). You have all this (and more) in Sophocles, Shakespeare, Schopenhauer & Dostoevsky. Were they, what, "Aryan" subversives?

    Ashkenazi IQ myth. http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/
    In essence, this is a complex issue & one can not find strong correlation between higher IQ & human accomplishment. Historically, most Jewish accomplishment came from Sephardi/Iberian & North-African Jews (Maimonides, Joseph Karo, Spinoza, ..), while Ashkenazim were lagging until German Enlightenment in late 18th C.

    We simply don't know why some groups (Greeks in 700 BC to 200 BC, Mongols in 12th C to 14th C, Florentine Italians from 1300 to 1600, Germans from 1750s to 1940s, ..) are vastly over-represented in many areas, or in some specific fields. Jewish over-representation is now perhaps 100-150 years long. Why? We don't know.

    US Jews are naturally leftists because they come, overwhelmingly, from eastern European highly politicized, "progressivist" & socialist milieu of the 2nd half of the 19th C.

    As for Frankfurt school, Marxism,... MacDonald does not know much about these issues. He is probably too old to revise his ideas, but his followers could try to broaden their horizons.

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    Bardon Kaldian is always ready with the “Nothing to see here” crapola, not to mention the approving use of “anti-Semitic” as a legitimate term rather than the obviously manipulative and nonsensical one that it is. For whatever odd reason, Bardon thinks being a Professor of Literature gives you wisdom, but I have yet to see him display any. That said, better he post here than at Takimag. Some of us don’t enjoy wading through bullshite that’s running neck deep.

  • I believe everything the authors say about MacDonald’s research because Jews are definitely not notorious liars who are always ready with the “Nothing to see here!”

  • In his September 1, 2017 speech to incoming Russian schoolchildren, Putin made waves by proclaiming that whoever becomes the leader in AI will become "ruler of the world." This provoked a variety of reactions, from Elon Musk commenting on his belief that competition for AI superiority will be the likeliest cause of World War III...
  • Oh no, something positive was said about America! Quick, someone try to neutralize it!

    Okay, sarcasm off.

    The Chinese are no-count automatons. They lack the creative thinking required for scientific problem solving. I know people in the medical research field who have nothing but complaints about the difficult personalities and ineptitude of the always overrated Chinese.

    The Indians on average can work on a team, but they still require the creativity and leadership of the American scientists. Jews make good theoretical physicists, but practical physics, medicine, miscellaneous scientific pursuits, and the engineering fields are much more of a White man’s thing.

    If the Chinese and Indians were so damned smart, they wouldn’t have to study in institutions founded and made world class almost exclusively by White men.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    "The Chinese are no-count automatons. They lack the creative thinking required for scientific problem solving. "

    Ah, thanks for that. It explains why, according to the Japan Science and Technology Agency, China now ranks as the most influential country in four of eight core scientific fields, tying with the U.S.

    The JSTA took the top 10% of the most referenced studies in each field, and determined the number of authors who were affiliated with the U.S., the U.K., Germany, France, China or Japan. China ranked first in computer science, mathematics, materials science and engineering. The U.S., on the other hand, led the way in physics, environmental and earth sciences, basic life science and clinical medicine. China is also rapidly catching up in physics, where the U.S. has long dominated. It is spending more than $6 billion to build the world's largest particle accelerator, which could put it at the forefront of particle physics. https://tinyurl.com/ydeqeqnb.

    Your response also helps explain why, in January, the United States National Science Foundation reported that the number of scientific publications from China in 2016 outnumbered those from the US for the first time: 426,000 versus 409,000.

    And why 45% of technical papers published by the USA have a Chinese co-author.

    And why Chinese scientist Bai Chunli has been re-elected as the president of the World Academy of Sciences for another two years. http://www.china.org.cn/china/2015-11/21/content_37123628.htm

    And how it came to be that China leads the world in all fields of civil engineering, Manufacturing, Supercomputing, Speech Recognition, Graphenics, Thorium power, Pebble Bed Reactors, Genomics, Thermal Power generation, Quantum Communication Networks, ASW Missiles, In-orbit Satellite Refueling, Passive Array Radar, Metamaterials, Hyperspectral Imaging, Nanotechnology, UHV Electricity transmission, Electric Vehicles, High Speed Rail, Sustainable Energy, Radiotelescopy, All fields of Sustainable Energy Research and Manufacturing, Hypersonic Space Weapons, Satellite Quantum Communications and quantum secure direct communications.

    You've nailed it.
  • Mike Pence's trip to the Pyeongchang Olympics was an unmitigated disaster. In just 48 hours, the Vice President managed to insult nearly everyone he encountered including South Korean President Moon Jae-in and Kim Jong-un's younger sister, Kim Yo-Jong. The overbearing Pence flaunted his contempt for the Korean people by humiliating their leaders, shrugging off their...
  • The U.S. should never have wasted American blood and treasure on these dog eaters in the first place. Bring our troops home, and let the unlikable Koreans be as stupid as they want to be.

    • Troll: jacques sheete
  • In the past couple of weeks, thanks to the president’s racist comments about Haiti and African countries he can’t even name -- remember “Nambia”? -- as well as the stamp of approval he awarded future immigrants from Norway, we’ve seen a surprising amount of commentary about that fortunate country. Let me just say: those Norwegians...
  • I stopped reading after “thanks to the president’s racist comments about Haiti and African countries he can’t even name.”

  • As I go to pixel, the congresscritters are still fighting over whether to close down the federal government in the name of 800,000 illegal aliens. I’ll leave you to find out the result in tomorrow morning’s news. As I noted last week, the standard of debate over immigration is higher than it used to be—better...
  • @Brabantian
    Everyone has their weak points re believing scams and hoaxes ... and John Derbyshire above lets on that he believes, that 50 years ago this December, the USA somehow began the first of nine 'voyages to the moon' in 1968-72, with six alleged 'moon landings' ... and no one going back ever since HA

    3 days before his death on 7 March 1999, Stanley Kubrick confessed to fellow film-maker T Patrick Murray, that he had faked the films of the USA claimed 6 'moon landings' of 1969-1972, an era when the CIA had its own film studios at Laurel Canyon, California

    Curiously, Stanley Kubrick (1928-99) was a Jewish film director, who married Christiane Harlan (b. 1932), the niece of leading German Third Reich film director Veit Harlan (1899-1964), who made the notorious 'Jud Süß' (1940) & the arguably auteur-profound 'Opfergang' (1944) under Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels

    "Kubrick made it clear that he had agreed to the interview for a very specific purpose. He knew that he was close to death & he wanted to get something monumental off his chest before he died. Almost immediately after sitting down, he proceeded to tell the stunned interviewer that the moon landings were fake & he himself had been the director in charge of the filming proceedings.

    T (T. Patrick Murray): That we didn't land on the moon, you're saying?

    K (Stanley Kubrick): No, we didn't. It was not real.

    T: The moon landings were fake?

    K: A, a, a ... fictional moon landing. A fantasy. It was not real.

    T: The moon landing in '69 ...

    K: Is total fiction. I perpetrated a huge fraud on the American public, involving the United States government & NASA, that the moon landings were faked, that the moon landings ALL were faked, & I was the person who filmed it.

    T: Why did they have to fake it? Why would they have to do that?

    K: Because it is impossible to get there.
     
    Here's the Onion version of Kubrick's 'men landing on the moon' official hoax films Kubrick made for NASA, with the 're-discovered original audio transmissions' full of four-letter words & other irreverent language, 3min LOL brilliant
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIkHLO93lCA

    Are you for real?

    A hoax perpetrated by thousands of people involved in the space program?

    Cuz we somehow couldn’t actually do what we said we did?

    • Replies: @Truth

    Are you for real?

    A hoax perpetrated by thousands of people involved in the space program?

    Cuz we somehow couldn’t actually do what we said we did?

     

    By George I think he's got it!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7no-a_kKTTs
    , @Biff
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4
  • For the mainstream media, it was a bona fide crisis. Blake Shelton, a European-American country singer and a host of The Voice, whom I had never heard of until yesterday morning,was named People Magazine’s “Sexiest Man In The World.” The result was outrage. Marlow Stern at the Daily Beast declared grandly that “people” are in...
  • @Hare Krishna
    Got no problem with Idris Elba as Bond at all. I'd accept a black Bond who's a Brit before I'd accept an American Bond of any race.

    No such thing as a black Brit.

  • Introductory note: I wanted to touch upon this subject for a long, long while, because it is one I care about a lot. However, it is also totally off-topic for this blog. However, since in Russia there is a lull (that is putting it mildly) between New Year and the Orthodox Nativity, I decided to...
  • @peterAUS
    My...my........I think I recognize you now.

    This isn't the first time we've...."debated" things a?

    Wow.
    What a grudge. What....a.....grudge.......

    I AM impressed.
    Hahaha....actually I have to give it to you. A very good move.

    Let's recapitulate:


    It’s far too late for you to save face. You’re obviously a poser
    ....you beg, “Believe me! Believe me! I’m a real-life expert!”, but no one is buying it.
    A number of people besides me have noticed, and there’s nothing you can do to extricate yourself from your self-inflicted embarrassments.
    You’re a blowhard and no one takes you seriously
     
    THAT is why you got into this, ahm, "discussion".
    To prove I am all that ?
    Is that so important to you?
    Oh man......hahaha....

    Well, a learning experience for sure.
    What a character.
    This means so much to you? I mean......this "Web chatter"? Oh man......
    Awesome.

    You've made my day.

    But, still, at the other hand....creepy.
    What other characters will crawl out from under the rock here I wonder?

    Must you be wrong about everything?

    No, we’ve never had any interactions with one another before this, you paranoid weirdo. I rarely even come here, and rarer still do I post.

    You are a very strange person, and not only because you hit the Return key after every sentence.

    Wanna hear a funny joke?

    Hey, did you hear the one about the Australian gun expert?

    ME: Australian gun expert! Ow, my sides!

    And he knows more about the 2nd Amendment than Americans like you do!

    ME: Stop it, you’re killing me!

    • Replies: @poop
    Take it from an expert: peterASS is a piece of crap.
  • Your umpteenth attempt to deflect from my criticisms is noted and discarded. It’s far too late for you to save face. You’re obviously a poser, as you have repeatedly shown throughout this thread, and with each post you become increasingly more desperate to convince me otherwise. It’s almost painful to watch you try so hard as you beg, “Believe me! Believe me! I’m a real-life expert!”, but no one is buying it. A number of people besides me have noticed, and there’s nothing you can do to extricate yourself from your self-inflicted embarrassments. You couldn’t even maintain the parameters of the original discussion per the content of the article. That’s how poorly you did. Okay? So stop trying. It’s not working. You’re a blowhard and no one takes you seriously, which is very likely the root source of why you act like this. Grow up already, little boy!

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    My...my........I think I recognize you now.

    This isn't the first time we've...."debated" things a?

    Wow.
    What a grudge. What....a.....grudge.......

    I AM impressed.
    Hahaha....actually I have to give it to you. A very good move.

    Let's recapitulate:


    It’s far too late for you to save face. You’re obviously a poser
    ....you beg, “Believe me! Believe me! I’m a real-life expert!”, but no one is buying it.
    A number of people besides me have noticed, and there’s nothing you can do to extricate yourself from your self-inflicted embarrassments.
    You’re a blowhard and no one takes you seriously
     
    THAT is why you got into this, ahm, "discussion".
    To prove I am all that ?
    Is that so important to you?
    Oh man......hahaha....

    Well, a learning experience for sure.
    What a character.
    This means so much to you? I mean......this "Web chatter"? Oh man......
    Awesome.

    You've made my day.

    But, still, at the other hand....creepy.
    What other characters will crawl out from under the rock here I wonder?

  • The Left dominates the culture, but it does not (yet) completely control it—hence, for example, the War On Christmas Resistance, Gamergate, and of course the election of Donald J. Trump. Now Star Wars Episode VIII (The Last Jedi), released in mid-December to resounding applause from Main Stream Media reviewers is tanking, well behind the 2015...
  • @Anon
    I agree that Hollywood has an agenda , but this article and some comments here are clutching at straws. The hero in this movie is a white girl , how is this movie anti white. SPOILER The future hero is a young white boy ( shown at end ). The black and Asian girl were a sideshow. The other hero of the movie was POE a white male. I think that many here won’t watch the movie and just accept this crazy article

    Everyone’s wrong but you!

  • @Okechukwu
    Hehe. Another boycott, eh? Go ahead. Hollywood makes more money appealing to a normal, mainstream audience. They don't care about your faux boycotts.

    No one said anything about a boycott. The movies are simply losing their audience, and hundreds of millions of dollars are being left on the table in the form of ticket sales and the licensing of merchandising, and merchandising is the more lucrative revenue stream by far.

    For example, when the (((J.J. Abrams))) version came out a few years ago, stores had to send back the junk with the black guy on it, because no one was buying it. The girl character did a little better, but none of them sold anywhere near the product that Luke Skywalker, Hans Solo, and Darth Vader did.

    If you think corporations don’t care when they’re not making nearly as much money as they could, then you don’t know a bloody thing about corporations.

    Also, there’s no such thing as a “normal, mainstream audience.” That’s precisely the sort of thing that goes bye-bye when diversity is the order of the day.

    • Replies: @Talha

    stores had to send back the junk with the black guy on it, because no one was buying it
     
    Yeah - if you're gonna have a Black guy, make sure he's a smooth-talking, ladies' man, space pirate:
    http://www.finalfrontiertoys.com/starwars/star-wars-carded-figures-diecast/empire-strikes-back/esb-31-back-moc/lando-calrissian-esb-31-back-no-offer-moc-c-8-5.html

    Those did sell!

    Peace.
    , @Okechukwu

    No one said anything about a boycott. The movies are simply losing their audience, and hundreds of millions of dollars are being left on the table in the form of ticket sales and the licensing of merchandising, and merchandising is the more lucrative revenue stream by far.
     
    Get a clue. The movie made $1 billion dollars in about 30 minutes of its release.

    There is a large worldwide audience of sane, normal people that vastly outnumbers embittered and deluded white bigots. Any film appealing to the white supremacist constituency will be dead on arrival. Unz is an echo-chamber. Most of these people here would be too ashamed to utter their tripe except under the cloak of anonymity. Even the denizens of Unz wouldn't queue up to watch a film that depicts their wacky theories and beliefs.


    For example, when the (((J.J. Abrams))) version came out a few years ago, stores had to send back the junk with the black guy on it, because no one was buying it. The girl character did a little better, but none of them sold anywhere near the product that Luke Skywalker, Hans Solo, and Darth Vader did.
     
    I played with action figures as a kid. I had all kinds of other Star Wars gear and model space ships. I just don't think those things are in with today's kids. Kids today are more into a visual or video game experience, which they will play with for about a day and then abandon for something else.
  • Introductory note: I wanted to touch upon this subject for a long, long while, because it is one I care about a lot. However, it is also totally off-topic for this blog. However, since in Russia there is a lull (that is putting it mildly) between New Year and the Orthodox Nativity, I decided to...
  • @peterAUS
    Firstly, my apologies to Saker and people reading/posting here for the "thread derail" I am about to try.
    The best is just skip over this post.

    I have a question for Gleimhart.
    So, after you "smash me into pieces" based on my previous post, maybe you could provide some insight into something that IS related to the article.

    I mean, you are definitely the man on the ground and have, apparently, plenty of related expertise.

    So...what would be YOUR take on this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting
    I mean, it was, for a couple of weeks a staggering event. Especially for us, disarmed and generally "gun-dumb "non-Americans".

    And, then......nothing.

    I've been waiting for detailed analysis etc. plenty of media attention, overwhelming "Internet prresence" but..............blop......silence.
    Weird.......silence.
    I mean, weird for me, non-American that is. And all that you've written about me and probably more.

    So.....any opinion ...any take on all that?
    Please.

    You thoroughly forfeited any minimum threshold of respect I’d need to engage you in a normal discussion on any matter. It’s weird you need to be told that.

  • @peterAUS
    Wow.....what a hostility there.
    My...my.....

    Now I am curious. Why's that?
    I doubt it's because I made some "stupid comment". I make plenty of them all the time, according to many, and I have seen some testy replies/posts, but, yours is......next level.

    Whoah, really.

    What really bothers you? C'mon...please...tell me. I mean, after all that venom we got somehow "Internet intimate" I guess.
    Is that life in general? Or a wife? Divorce perhaps? Boss? Job? Middle age?
    The simmering rage just needs venting somewhere?

    I don't know, but, feels a bit unbalanced. The animosity I mean. The balance between that anger and reason for a disagreement. Almost as you've just waited for....somebody...anybody...to unleash all that.

    You know that your government monitors all this, of course.
    You are, apparently, a guy into "guns". Your posts can profile you with ease.
    Are you sure that posting all that........rage..........would sit well with "that person owning a firearm"?

    So...how do you do that? I mean, having a control in a real life?
    You, I presume, carry. And, obviously, have a very short fuse.
    How do you manage that control? Must be an impressive feat. Creates a lot of pressure too. And the pressure needs releasing. Like now.
    Impressive I give it to you.

    Now, actually, having said all that you do have a point, hollow but the point regardless.
    I did derail the thread and Saker did warn against it.
    If we talk about "revolvers vs autos" you were correct and I was not. I slipped into "2 Amendment" thing with that "Americans/Europeans" comment.
    A food for thought you, in all that rage, missed was access to military grade weaponry in some parts of Europe. I am sure that you have some contacts who did a stint in Balkans (even Ukraine), for example. Ask them about the topic if you wish.

    And, yes, hollow points.....and then custom loads, and then custom grips, with custom sights, blah...blah...I am sure you could talk for days about all that.
    Why don't you give us a brief intro here?
    Could even help with that simmering "red" inside.

    You’ve never even shot a gun, have you?
     
    See, that rage can really affect your perception.
    And with all those guns at your disposal, and all that ammo, and all that expertise you probably have in handling that...I don't know....feels as ....something just waiting to BOOM.

    Now, I guess you have fired a lot and are good with guns.
    How about this:
    Standing, in a trench. Target is something as B-27 Black Silhouette, range 200 meters. No wind.
    Standing, two hand grip, elbows resting. 9 mm handgun, custom sights. 8 rounds fired.
    How many rounds could you put anywhere in black?
    C'mon, impress us.

    Ah, another one:
    Standing, in a trench. Target the same, range 400 meters. Weapon a version of AK-47.
    Iron sights. Single shots. Say, 10. How many hits you could comfortably make anywhere in "black"?

    Or we'll have another outburst instead?
    It's fine.
    Whatever helps there. As long as that control stays "on" in real life.
    Not easy, sometimes, a?
    And getting harder.....

    But, if you feel like it now, please....just go with it. Here I mean.Words, typing...even imagining how would our .....ahm..."debate"....looks like in real life. How would you really....really....make your point to me.
    Like....

    What a nitwit. I told you to dial it back. You should’ve listened.
     
    Can't wait.

    Your transparent and quite “Internet-y” attempt to gas-light me is noted and discarded.

    I committed the cardinal sin of telling you that you’re wrong, and now you doing a different dance altogether, with a number of sad tropes and attempts at deflecting from your manifestly stupid comments, which are in abundance here.

    Your gun range questions are silly. Real world self defense is not a static standing in a trench shooting at static paper targets on a relaxing afternoon at the gun range. That’s beginner, introductory stuff. All firearms purchasing decisions and training should be geared towards the fact that in a self defense situation you’re going to be firing during an adrenaline dump. Regular stress inoculation exercises, drilling and conditioning are essential, as is the ability to compensate for such an adrenaline dump. You and I both know you haven’t the faintest clue how to handle such situations, which is why you’re melting down now like a p*ssy.

    You still haven’t been able to tell me why me bringing up hollow point ammunition is entirely relevant to the original article. What you did instead was to attempt a lame bluff, by mentioning other terms you just now looked up on the internet. You’re not going to fool me, little man. None of those other things you mentioned have anything to do with the topic of ammunition choice I brought up. What happened to your earlier assertion that my reference to ammo choice indicated a poor “perspective”? Huh? What happened with that?

    And now you’re insisting, yet again, that foreigners — that is, those who have considerable trouble even getting their hands on basic weaponry — have all sorts of access to all sorts of awesome “military grade” whoop-ass that we Americans don’t. Now that’s an occasion for Hahahaha……

    I’ll say it again, what you can find on display or order from vendors at a typical American gun show and elsewhere here would knock you back on your heels. Grow up already and be man enough to admit you’ve been pulling cr*p out of your a** and trying to lay it out as fact.

    Your going off into weird tangents about the gubmint “watching” me all because I pointed out your idiocy is some over-the-top posturing. What unassailable logic!

    Your going off on other tangents about “divorce, boss, job, etc.” is yet another sorry attempt at deflection. You strike me as spoiled and over-indulged, hardly anyone ever having contradicted you in your formative years, and now you’re throwing a tantrum because you simply can’t process it.

    I’ve been through this entire thread and have marveled at the thorough and increasing ignorance, combined with arrogance, in each one of your posts. You’re all over the map. You were having the time of your life as long as you were able to strut and pose and bluff and pretend, high on your own fumes. But the minute someone came along and put you in your place and exposed you as the poser that your are, you suddenly scramble in desperation to save face. Well, it’s far too late for that.

    But the most absurd of your absurdities was when you presumed — astonishingly — to tell ME what the 2nd Amendment was and was not about. It beggars belief. Truly!

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    Your gun range questions are silly.
     
    Still, the questions remain.
    Just put the number there:
    1. 2....4....7...
    2. 3....6.....9...
    Which one?
    Should take you 5 seconds.
    C'mon...give it a go.

    Actually, put some of your accomplishments here.
    Silly range thing only, of course.
    Anything, really.

    Ever fired a belt fed machinegun?
    What was the range? 2 seconds question. 400?600?800?
    How many rounds?
    100?1000?

    How about RPG or similar?
    What was the range? 200?400? Iron or optical?

    And, a very simple one:
    Have you ever done your shooting in dark? You know, different levels of "dark"?
    And, The Question: how do you use a handgun in a dark room (can't see sights, can't use any light)?
    That would be a fine pointer for self-defense I guess.
    Something of a substance.

    All firearms purchasing decisions and training should be geared towards the fact that in a self defense situation you’re going to be firing during an adrenaline dump. Regular stress inoculation exercises, drilling and conditioning are essential, as is the ability to compensate for such an adrenaline dump.
     
    True.

    This

    And now you’re insisting, yet again, that foreigners — that is, those who have considerable trouble even getting their hands on basic weaponry — have all sorts of access to all sorts of awesome “military grade” whoop-ass that we Americans don’t. Now that’s an occasion for Hahahaha……
     
    with

    a typical American gun show and elsewhere here would knock you back on your heels. Grow up already and be man enough to admit you’ve been pulling cr*p out of your a** and trying to lay it out as fact.
     
    mean no "contacts" and no experience there.
    Of course.

    But, you did scale down the rage a bit.
    Becoming careful...nice.

    Still, all your posts are just about venting on me. You haven't, except that paragraph I quoted, actually provided anything of a real substance here.

    As for your post below:

    You thoroughly forfeited any minimum threshold of respect I’d need to engage you in a normal discussion on any matter. It’s weird you need to be told that.
     
    Same....nothing. For a very simple question.

    You know, I got a strong impression that you are, in fact, all that you "channel" on me.
    Makes sense somehow.
    , @Twodees Partain
    Gleimhart, please don't feed the trolls. Trolls are like stray dogs. If you give them what they want, they hang around. This site has a great function, the ignore feature. I put trolls on ignore as soon as I recognize them for what they are. peterAUS is a troll.
  • @peterAUS
    I'll reply, not because of you, but of some people reading all this.
    I know your type and I steer well clear of them but your types keep posting similar bullshit and it does need responding. You know, fair and balanced, opposing views etc.

    First off, the “myth” that Americans supposedly have about European gun ownership is simply untrue. We really just don’t care one way or the other what Europeans do or don’t do. Non-Americans obsess over Americans, but we have no corresponding meddlesome busybody bees-in-the-bonnet regarding guns or gun ownership in foreign places.
     
    All evidence to the contrary.
    That ...attitude...of yours can be seen, in spades, everywhere where people talk about violence, self-defense, guns and similar stuff. Your types are so thick that you don't even register it.

    Second, the notion that foreigners have access to guns that “Americans can only dream about” is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read on the internet — and that’s saying something. Attending just one average American gun show would knock the likes of you back on your rear-end, and we have hundreds of them on a weekly basis. The variety, deep catalogue, and custom firearms gunsmith designs is staggering.
     
    Toys for boys.
    Can you take down an armored vehicle with those toys? How about a helicopter gunship? Or a patrol boat?
    Belt fed machineguns with optics don't even count here.

    Because in a lot of places of this world, Europe included, that weaponry IS in people's hands.
    Not for showing of and feeding egos and grown men childish delusions.
    Well hidden, well maintained, and owned by people who do know how to use them. And are more than willing to use them should it come to that.
    I guess your types didn't even register this fact before.

    No country on earth has more of a history of people defending themselves with modern firearms.
     
    I grant you that, for an individual/small group of people against other individual/small group of people.
    But, you have failed miserably in defending an individual/group against the power of the state.
    And I do believe that 2nd isn't about "toys for boys" and self-defense. It's about abuse of the state. The last time you guys tried that failed in 1866.Don't count Waco/Ruby Ridge. Or this last one with LaVoy Finicum.
    I could post here a LONG list of peoples who have been doing that, with firearms, before you guys even got your country.

    Americans don’t need gun advice from foreigners. We’re the experts.
     
    Ah....the attitude.

    here wasn’t even any mention about hollow points, for crying out loud. I know you don’t realize why that’s important, and I’m not going to tell you.
     
    Hahaha......oh man. Your lack of perception is staggering. But, expected from your types.

    You may want to dial it back a few notches before you play the fool again
     
    My sentiment exactly.

    It is significant to note that every assertion made by you here is incorrect, delusional, and just plain odd.

    You didn’t actually refute anything. Instead, you postured, and you’re quite poor at it by the way.

    You steer clear of my type? Son, you haven’t the faintest clue what “my type” is, as “my type” is not discernible on the simple account of my having pointed out your idiocy.

    The article was plainly about revolvers vs. semi-autos and you keep yacking on about toys for boys? — armored vehicles? — gunships? — and helicopters? You’re not even intelligent enough to understand the parameters of the topic, much less the facts pertaining to those parameters.

    And you didn’t list anything that is not in American hands or is not obtainable here. Yours were some jaw-dropping statements, one after the other. Seriously. How are people like you even formed. You can’t simply will phony facts into existence, little man. Tomorrow I will show your post to some of my fellow Americans who know even more than I do and I will enjoy gauging their reactions. Probably first their eyes roll before they break out into laughter at the poser foreigner who talks from the abysmal depths of his rectum. Yes, we will have a good laugh at your expense.

    You’re like so many anti-American lowlifes: You think you know what you’re talking about, and you laughably think you know more about the subject as it pertains to my country than I do. You go straight from the Civil War to Waco and Ruby Ridge. That’s your awesome “historical” knowledge on display. You’re a whack job if there ever was one.

    You seemed to take issue with my comment about hollow points, but you didn’t say why. All you did was jabber on about “perspective” and “my type” (again). Hollow points are precisely on topic for this article, and here you are acting like there was no valid reason for me to have brought it up, and you still don’t even know why I did, because you’re an amateur hour poser.

    Just admit it: You’ve never even shot a gun, have you? Your “toys for boys” comment told me quite emphatically that you are a wannabe “macho man” who suffers from some genuine hangups.

    What a nitwit. I told you to dial it back. You should’ve listened.

    You’re dismissed.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    Wow.....what a hostility there.
    My...my.....

    Now I am curious. Why's that?
    I doubt it's because I made some "stupid comment". I make plenty of them all the time, according to many, and I have seen some testy replies/posts, but, yours is......next level.

    Whoah, really.

    What really bothers you? C'mon...please...tell me. I mean, after all that venom we got somehow "Internet intimate" I guess.
    Is that life in general? Or a wife? Divorce perhaps? Boss? Job? Middle age?
    The simmering rage just needs venting somewhere?

    I don't know, but, feels a bit unbalanced. The animosity I mean. The balance between that anger and reason for a disagreement. Almost as you've just waited for....somebody...anybody...to unleash all that.

    You know that your government monitors all this, of course.
    You are, apparently, a guy into "guns". Your posts can profile you with ease.
    Are you sure that posting all that........rage..........would sit well with "that person owning a firearm"?

    So...how do you do that? I mean, having a control in a real life?
    You, I presume, carry. And, obviously, have a very short fuse.
    How do you manage that control? Must be an impressive feat. Creates a lot of pressure too. And the pressure needs releasing. Like now.
    Impressive I give it to you.

    Now, actually, having said all that you do have a point, hollow but the point regardless.
    I did derail the thread and Saker did warn against it.
    If we talk about "revolvers vs autos" you were correct and I was not. I slipped into "2 Amendment" thing with that "Americans/Europeans" comment.
    A food for thought you, in all that rage, missed was access to military grade weaponry in some parts of Europe. I am sure that you have some contacts who did a stint in Balkans (even Ukraine), for example. Ask them about the topic if you wish.

    And, yes, hollow points.....and then custom loads, and then custom grips, with custom sights, blah...blah...I am sure you could talk for days about all that.
    Why don't you give us a brief intro here?
    Could even help with that simmering "red" inside.

    You’ve never even shot a gun, have you?
     
    See, that rage can really affect your perception.
    And with all those guns at your disposal, and all that ammo, and all that expertise you probably have in handling that...I don't know....feels as ....something just waiting to BOOM.

    Now, I guess you have fired a lot and are good with guns.
    How about this:
    Standing, in a trench. Target is something as B-27 Black Silhouette, range 200 meters. No wind.
    Standing, two hand grip, elbows resting. 9 mm handgun, custom sights. 8 rounds fired.
    How many rounds could you put anywhere in black?
    C'mon, impress us.

    Ah, another one:
    Standing, in a trench. Target the same, range 400 meters. Weapon a version of AK-47.
    Iron sights. Single shots. Say, 10. How many hits you could comfortably make anywhere in "black"?

    Or we'll have another outburst instead?
    It's fine.
    Whatever helps there. As long as that control stays "on" in real life.
    Not easy, sometimes, a?
    And getting harder.....

    But, if you feel like it now, please....just go with it. Here I mean.Words, typing...even imagining how would our .....ahm..."debate"....looks like in real life. How would you really....really....make your point to me.
    Like....

    What a nitwit. I told you to dial it back. You should’ve listened.
     
    Can't wait.
    , @FB
    Why don't you dial it back a little yourself...?

    Nobody needs to listen to hissy fits here...

    Your shrill tone tells me you're just as much as a poseur as Peter...and that's poseur with an e...

    I have read this entire exchange between yourself and Peter...and you went off like some kind of grenade for no reason...

    That kind of hysteria tells me you are mentally unstable...and should not even be talking about guns...

    Your whole shtick is...you don't care about the gun situation in Europe...blah blah blah...

    Well guess what...you sound like you have never been outside of the United States so what makes you think anybody here is interested in hearing you prattle on about things you know nothing of...

    Peter has a valid point about gun ownership in certain parts of Europe...little Switzerland ranks second in the world in gun ownership [behind the US] with 45 firearms per 100 people...

    Difference is that more Swiss households actually have firearms than in the US...reason being is that the high US number [88 per 100] is skewed by the fact that there are a lot of 'gun nuts' who own huge collections...I know many myself...

    You don't see these fanboys in Europe...but many households do have a gun or two...

    I say this from personal experience having traveled widely on the continent...I remember walking into a gun shop in Belgrade and seeing assault rifles on an unsecured display rack in the middle of the store...you don't see that in the US...

    Serbia btw is number four on the list...Finland number three. Sweden and Norway nine and 10...

    Peter is also correct about the Balkans 'gun culture' which is very different from the US...many of those guns have been used by militias that saw heavy duty action during the Balkan wars of the '90s...

    Military service is mandatory in many European countries...which means every male knows how to use a firearm...and these guys are ready to go to action if need be...as was the case with the Balkans wars...

    City violence and petty crime are not a big problem there...so it is a completely different picture...people have guns for more fundamental reasons...as in defending their political rights...something that is yakked about ad nauseum in the US but is just a figment of the imagination in tough-talking gun collectors...

    Of course many EU countries do fit the stereotype of a completely disarmed populace...but nobody needs to hear some claptrap from a know-nothing...

    Peter can be...and regularly is...quite obtuse here...but personal attacks with such a shrill tone don't look good on you either...especially when you've got nothing to say...
  • @peterAUS
    Hahaha.....so true.

    It's always funny to hear Americans showing that 2nd Amendment into other people's faces calling them "not free" and "unarmed".
    Clueless doesn't even begin to describe it.

    Now, it is true that most of Americans do have an easier access to firearms.
    It's also true that in some parts of this world one can have weapons Americans can just dream about (or being very rich if one catches my drift).

    In those parts of this world where little people have a LONG history (longer than history of USA) of fighting against an oppression (domestic/foreign) a serious firearm is just a part of a household. Not necessarily registered or visible, but, my God it is there and those people are capable and willing to use it.

    Now, true, this article and consequent comments are about Americans, so focusing on them would make sense.

    Again, bottom line, there is so much expertise in USA about the topic that just doesn't make any sense reading about it on the Internet.
    Just find a good instructor, PLENTY of them around.
    Having said that, even more true, plenty of fakes and straight idiots too.

    Choose wisely.

    You’re full of it, but beginning your asinine post with “Hahaha…” was the tipoff that what was likely going to be pure bunk.

    First off, the “myth” that Americans supposedly have about European gun ownership is simply untrue. We really just don’t care one way or the other what Europeans do or don’t do. Non-Americans obsess over Americans, but we have no corresponding meddlesome busybody bees-in-the-bonnet regarding guns or gun ownership in foreign places.

    Second, the notion that foreigners have access to guns that “Americans can only dream about” is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read on the internet — and that’s saying something. Attending just one average American gun show would knock the likes of you back on your rear-end, and we have hundreds of them on a weekly basis. The variety, deep catalogue, and custom firearms gunsmith designs is staggering.

    No country on earth has more of a history of people defending themselves with modern firearms. Americans did more to invent modern firearms than all other peoples combined.

    This article is unnecessary for Americans. Just really basic stuff for us, but foreigners may find some use in it. There are whole books and courses and instructors that cover so much more ground than just these introductory comments by The Saker. Americans don’t need gun advice from foreigners. We’re the experts. There wasn’t even any mention about hollow points, for crying out loud. I know you don’t realize why that’s important, and I’m not going to tell you.

    You may want to dial it back a few notches before you play the fool again.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    I'll reply, not because of you, but of some people reading all this.
    I know your type and I steer well clear of them but your types keep posting similar bullshit and it does need responding. You know, fair and balanced, opposing views etc.

    First off, the “myth” that Americans supposedly have about European gun ownership is simply untrue. We really just don’t care one way or the other what Europeans do or don’t do. Non-Americans obsess over Americans, but we have no corresponding meddlesome busybody bees-in-the-bonnet regarding guns or gun ownership in foreign places.
     
    All evidence to the contrary.
    That ...attitude...of yours can be seen, in spades, everywhere where people talk about violence, self-defense, guns and similar stuff. Your types are so thick that you don't even register it.

    Second, the notion that foreigners have access to guns that “Americans can only dream about” is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read on the internet — and that’s saying something. Attending just one average American gun show would knock the likes of you back on your rear-end, and we have hundreds of them on a weekly basis. The variety, deep catalogue, and custom firearms gunsmith designs is staggering.
     
    Toys for boys.
    Can you take down an armored vehicle with those toys? How about a helicopter gunship? Or a patrol boat?
    Belt fed machineguns with optics don't even count here.

    Because in a lot of places of this world, Europe included, that weaponry IS in people's hands.
    Not for showing of and feeding egos and grown men childish delusions.
    Well hidden, well maintained, and owned by people who do know how to use them. And are more than willing to use them should it come to that.
    I guess your types didn't even register this fact before.

    No country on earth has more of a history of people defending themselves with modern firearms.
     
    I grant you that, for an individual/small group of people against other individual/small group of people.
    But, you have failed miserably in defending an individual/group against the power of the state.
    And I do believe that 2nd isn't about "toys for boys" and self-defense. It's about abuse of the state. The last time you guys tried that failed in 1866.Don't count Waco/Ruby Ridge. Or this last one with LaVoy Finicum.
    I could post here a LONG list of peoples who have been doing that, with firearms, before you guys even got your country.

    Americans don’t need gun advice from foreigners. We’re the experts.
     
    Ah....the attitude.

    here wasn’t even any mention about hollow points, for crying out loud. I know you don’t realize why that’s important, and I’m not going to tell you.
     
    Hahaha......oh man. Your lack of perception is staggering. But, expected from your types.

    You may want to dial it back a few notches before you play the fool again
     
    My sentiment exactly.
    , @Alden
    When my sister and her husband lived in Germany they met lots of guys who had military weapons

    They got them from corrupt American soldiers who worked in the warehouses on the numerous American army bases There was a regular trade going on.

    France has as much or more of a hunting culture as we do.
  • This article may be helpful to Europeans, Canadians and Australians, but this is all very basic introductory type stuff for Americans. There’re a number of excellent books out there that cover this ground and much more. Not sure why this article is imagined to be so necessary.

  • @Brabantian
    Note to Unz readers in the USA - Europeans actually DO own a great many civilian firearms, contrary to USA myths; there are perhaps 75-100 million civilian guns in Europe ... no 'carry' laws, but they are in homes and on farms ... for statistics by country:
    http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/home
    Thus Europeans, too, say 'I like guns', as in the famous popular music video by Australian Steve Lee, 2min38s:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TC2xTCb_GU

    No such myths exist to any significant degree in America. To be perfectly frank, Americans just don’t generally think about Europeans very much, except when Europeans get in our face and leave us no other choice (like now).

    I don’t care if you have guns or if you don’t have guns. What I do know is that Europeans never miss an opportunity to lecture Americans on our own gun rights laws, as if it’s any of their business, or if they have any expertise in the matter.

    I also know that Europeans in public settings are easy prey to the 3rd World hordes who roam their streets in a way that most Americans need not be. Moreover, I know that “hot burglaries” (burglaries made while the occupants are at home) occur at monumentally higher percentages than they do in the U.S., because in the U.S. there is a much greater chance of a burglar walking in on someone aiming a barrel at their face, and criminals don’t like that.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    There was a case in "merrie old England" a number of years ago where a homeowner defended himself against intruders with a baseball bat. The police and the "crown" (prosecutor) determined that he used "too much force" against the intruder, and in fact, transported him in the same police car as the intruder. He actually got a stiffer sentence than the intruder who broke into his house.
    You see, in most European countries, the "crown" is the only entity that has the right to self-defense.
  • In the alien invasion movie Independence Day, the beleaguered President of the United States, hoping he can forge some kind of a peace which will at least allow the survival of the human race, pleads, “What is it you want us to do?” The alien’s response is simple. “Die.” The mind of a rational person...
  • [Choose one Handle and stick to it, or use Anonymous/Anon. Otherwise, your comments may get trashed.]

    I wouldn’t buy any book from WND. It is a hyper-pro-Jewish-Israel website. They will merely label “communists” and “the Left” but not point out that such things are essentially Jewish.

    • Replies: @nickels
    Yes.
    One must master the art of reading between the lines and making the obvious inferences.
  • From Salon: Do you get the impression that Peele must be laughing up his sleeve as he pitches these ideas? He's a sm
  • @Yan Shen
    I've always felt that Steve was a bit too harsh on Tarantino. Even if you disagree with his politics, it's hard to argue that his movies aren't hilariously entertaining and well made.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYTRQWKsyxc

    Easily uh one of the funniest and most amusing 2 and a half minutes of cinema ever made...

    Not Funny.

    Tarantino sucks.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Yes Q Tarantino stinks and is done All else is commentary.
  • Germany: ‘bad, very bad.’ Trump tweet. France’s brainy new president, Emmanuel Macron, said it was too bad that Donald Trump was not part of the Enlightenment. Few Americans would have understood what he meant but Europeans certainly did. The Enlightenment was the glorious epoch in the mid 1700 and 1800’s that gave birth to modern...
  • In summation:

    1) Americans are bad and stupid for noticing that Europe has become a degenerate and deracinated cesspool of lowlife lefties and brown barbarians.

    2) Europeans laugh at us dumb hick Christians for resisting the same fate, and we are twice as awful for not giving a shite what Europeans think of us.

    • Replies: @Felix Krull

    Europeans laugh at us dumb hick Christians for resisting the same fate.
     
    No, we despair of you for NOT resisting. America is 63% white, Europe +90%.

    Few Americans know anything about Europe, except a bit about Britain. These days, it's Americans that are soft on barbarian invasions, and Trump isn't doing anything to stop it. If Marine le Pen fails it is a setback, but the Front National will carry the baton onwards. Same thing in every other European country.

    If Trump turns out to be a stealth globalist, what's plan B for America?

  • The more dangerous America’s crackpot President becomes, the saner the world believes him to be. Just look back at the initial half of his first 100 days: the crazed tweeting, the lies, the fantasies and self-regard of this misogynist leader of the Western world appalled all of us. But the moment he went to war...
  • @jacques sheete

    This site gets more anti-American by the day.
     
    Which America you talkin about? The one it's become or the one in your dreams?

    If you loved what America is supposed to stand for, you'd also be against what it's become.

    You want a pity party er sumpin? Go elsewhere.

    You haven’t the least clue of my assessment of America. I already DO hate what it has become.

    And where did I ask for a pity party? Show me.

    Your problem is that you read into my comment things I did not say.

    jacques sheete, you are the dictionary definition of presumptuous.

    Don’t ever address me again unless you have something intelligent to offer. Okay?

  • When the gullible and insouciant American public and the presstitutes who participate in the deceptions permitted the Deep State to get away with the fairy tale that a few Saudi Arabians under the direction of Osama bin Laden, but without the support of any government or intelligence agency, were able to outwit the entirety of...
  • PCR would be more convincing if he didn’t display such an obvious and bitter bias, saying dumb things such as:

    “If not, will Washington become a good world citizen for the first time in America’s history…”

    Please.

    And it would helpful if PCR would include something to back up his various assertions. It doesn’t really cut it to simply assert that the U.S. gave the sarin to the Saudis and the Saudis set it all up in Syria and that somehow our government was able to get Syria to bomb that very building. You have to make a case for it.

    I don’t believe the 9/11 narrative either, but I can make a case for why I don’t believe it, and I’ve been able to at least give a few people some doubts about the official story.

    But I can’t really send a column like this to people who’re not already aware of the fact that the official narrative is usually an admixture of truth and lies, because if I do, all they’re going to see is unsupported assertions.

    If PCR has a desire to call people stupid, that’s fine, if he thinks that that’s a persuasive tactic, but he should also try and make a convincing case for his view of the facts. Otherwise, it all comes off as preaching to the choir.

    And saying, “Trust me. I have inside info.” doesn’t work either.

    As for Russia and/or China joining hands and sending some thermonuclear goodness our way, that’s not going to happen unless they’re positively suicidal. They’re smart enough to know that that’s “end of the world” type stuff.

    • Replies: @Realist
    "As for Russia and/or China joining hands and sending some thermonuclear goodness our way, that’s not going to happen unless they’re positively suicidal. They’re smart enough to know that that’s “end of the world” type stuff."

    Yes, but is the American power elite?
  • The more dangerous America’s crackpot President becomes, the saner the world believes him to be. Just look back at the initial half of his first 100 days: the crazed tweeting, the lies, the fantasies and self-regard of this misogynist leader of the Western world appalled all of us. But the moment he went to war...
  • The Trump Derangement Syndrome at Unz has gotten really tiring.

    And no, not everyone gives the least crap about his “misogyny.” Not me, anyway.

    This site gets more anti-American by the day. Screw you leftwing dirtbags.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    This site gets more anti-American by the day.
     
    Which America you talkin about? The one it's become or the one in your dreams?

    If you loved what America is supposed to stand for, you'd also be against what it's become.

    You want a pity party er sumpin? Go elsewhere.
    , @woodNfish
    Trump is not a misogynist. He loves and desires women as does any normal man. Mysogynists hate women. "Feminists" are misogynists. Stop buying into the Left's narration. It is a lie. It is always a lie. That is what they are best at.
  • From his “big, fat, beautiful wall” to his travel bans, much of Donald Trump's push to isolate America, like so much else in his program, has hit a series of ugly speed bumps. Not only won’t the Mexicans “pay” to build that much-promised wall, but even Congress is unlikely to do so, as its price...
  • I’m not sure how to break it to the author, but the requirement to hand over passwords to computers, iPads and cellphones has been practiced at international borders for years now.

    The U.S. does it.

    The Europeans do it.

    Canada does it.

    Australia does it.

    Nothing new here. No one has the right to enter any country unless they are a citizen of that country, and when crossing over an international border, you are subject to search.

    America is not a flop house.

  • Washington has never made any effort to conceal its contempt for North Korea. In the 64 years since the war ended, the US has done everything in its power to punish, humiliate and inflict pain on the Communist country. Washington has subjected the DPRK to starvation, prevented its government from accessing foreign capital and markets,...
  • @denk

    'This is typical leftist bullshit propaganda used to undermine the sovereignty of America as a white nation. European descendants conquered the land, and of course they did some bad things to the natives, but the natives weren’t all noble enlightened peaceful people themselves, were they?' [sic]
     
    WTF !
    This is whitey's standard excuse for the genocides they committed against the native Indians, Africans , Muslims., and Asians...

    Imagine a murderer pleading his case in court.
    'But your honor, they've been at each others throat even before I kill them'
    Do you think it'd wash with the judge/jury ?

    Shame on you , a Gook [according to Joe Web], to parrot such whitey trash here. !

    'Gentlemen, my people do not want to conquer the world like the English, Jews, Muslims, Christians, or Chinese do.'
     
    What are you smoking kid ?
    If you replace Chinese with murkkans, then you'd start to make some sense.

    I do believe SK has no intention to conquer the world tho, [sic]
    as murkkan lap dog ,all it can do is ask 'how high my lord' when uncle sham bark 'jump' !

    'Agree button isn’t working so I’m writing it in'
     
    ROFLMAO,
    Do you realise that JW wants Gooks/Chinks/Japs get the fuck out of his land ? [sic]

    p.s.

    The way you fawn over the murkkans, I wonder if you know or even care about the genocide uncle sham inflicted on your people ,
    in NK/SK ?

    For supposedly “committing genocide” on Injuns, coloreds, worshippers of the pedophile prophet, and orientals, there sure are a lot of them around. Maybe they shouldn’t pick fights with their superiors.

    • Replies: @denk

    Maybe they shouldn’t pick fights with their superiors.
     
    So Injuns 'pick fights' with whitey ?

    You'r beneath contempt,
    into my kill file.
  • @bluedog
    Of course "white men" wouldn't tolerate it but oops it was the "white men" who slaughtered a few million in Nam and surrounding countries not to mention 58,000 of our own, a million or so in Iraq Libya Syria Yemen and the rest of Africa, so one rousing cheer for the "white men' but if you don't mind I'll sit out of the cheering sector...

    I’m getting all teary-eyed for all of those poor communists and muslims who are victims of the big bad ugly mean Americans. Can I join your sanctimony club?

  • @Joe Wong
    I cannot support the stealing of lands from the indigenous people by the aliens with atrocities in the North America and Australia as legitimate.

    That’s okay. Your support is meaningless and not at all required.

  • In my last article, “Scrabble Spells Doom for the Racial Hypothesis of Intelligence,” I argued that Africans should not be able to come anywhere near dominating the games of Scrabble (both English and French) or professional checkers, as they apparently do, if their real biological intelligence was anywhere near as low as their nominal IQ...
  • @Daniel Bruno
    Indeed, Mr. Chisala and some of his supporters in the comments section at UNZ simply dont understand IQ and ironically, dont understand statistics 101 and are remiss at even a 9th grade level of mathematical averages and means.

    The IQ of a country is the average score obtained *within that nation* on a written test of puzzles and mind teasers achieved by *selected test takers*. An IQ of 100 in the US and an IQ of 100 in another country can not be cross referenced because the samples are different.

    This is not the place for me to write an article so let me try to disabuse the many whites who just cant let go of the notion that Africans are inherently dumber, by making a very simple observation that should be easier for you to understand.

    60 Years ago the NBA was all white. There wasnt a Negro to be found shooting hoops. Today the NBA is nearly all black. Surely you are intelligent enough to see that race, genes and hereditary traits didnt change in 60 years time.

    Russians do well at chess because it matters to them. American Jews do well on IQ tests because they try hard and judge themselves by it. Whites in America under-perform north east Asians on IQ tests because north east Asian kids spend more free time prepping. Both whites and Asians outspend blacks and hispanics 10 to 1 on test preparation, private tutoring, mock tests, summer camp, etc. If whites and Asians were intellectually superior to African Americans, they would not need to pop illicit brain pills before taking the SATs. Cheating also takes place on these tests. If people here want me to follow up with real articles, let me know. This topic is a blight on UNZ that just wont go away.

    Africans are inherently dumber……by a mile.

  • The latest US cruise missile attack on the Syrian airbase is an extremely important event in so many ways that it is important to examine it in some detail. I will try to do this today with the hope to be able to shed some light on a rather bizarre attack which will nevertheless have...
  • @War for Blair Mountain
    Maybe Saker has good reasons to be anti-American. Russia was nestly destroyed dusting the Clinton years...It was a deliberate policy to gang rape Russia.

    Well if we’re going to hold grudges then what shall we do with the fact that Russia made everyone nervous for most of the 20th century?

    Again, I remind you, the KGB did huge damage to the United States, and the crap of a country we’re now left with is something not only WE have to deal with, but it’s also boomeranged back on Russia. If they had let us be, we wouldn’t be so screwed up now, and they’d be having a much easier time of it.

    Actions have consequences. The Russians need to come to terms with the monumental civilizational damage they have caused, and “The Saker” needs to quit these phony portrayals of Russian awesomeness and innocence at the hands the bad Americans.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    KGB did huge damage to the USA. . .

    Gleimhart, what are you smoking?
    Pray, be more specific.
  • @Kiza
    The only characteristic that exceeds the lack of knowledge of the majority of US people is their aggressive stupidity, on great display in comments here. I realised this a long while ago. For example, have you heard of a US movie called "Animal", rated very lowly because it describes the true moral nature of the US population? Another relevant one is "Idiocracy".

    Trying to engage aggressive US & Israeli idiots in a discussion would be a total waste of time. I have better things to do with my time.

    Please show me a country where most people are not largely ignorant of relevant matters. Please do. I want to know what country this may be. Where are these awesomely informed populations?

    The whole world is full of dullards and easy-to-fool sheep, you shit-wit. That includes whatever useless piece of crap country YOU call home.

    You’re calling Americans stupid, while “The Saker” thinks that a movie actor that’s been dead for 40 years is some sort of American male prototype. Mind you, Putin is the one that likes getting his picture taken with his shirt off. Most White American men look more manly than that sad sight, and “The Saker” seems to have nothing to say about such pseudo macho posing from his KGB hero.

    So come one. Tell me what country YOU call home, so I can give you a laundry list of things that make YOUR people as dumb as stumps.

    • Replies: @Kiza
    Your reaction is so telling. Out of two things that I wrote about the majority of US people (which definitely does not mean all):
    1) that they are morally bankrupt/sick, and
    2) that they are dumb,
    you, of course, select only the second one and completely skipped the first one. It just happens that my strong priority is the first one, because it is much easier to argue and prove than the second one and because the first one is fundamental whilst the second one is relative. I believe that your choice indirectly proves my points about the majority of US people that you obviously belong to.

    Naturally, I am not going to grace you with a detailed discussion that you do not deserve, because of the above reason. I wish to continue the discussion about free market with MarkinLA and all these other guys who sided with him. Unlike you, I respect those guys who criticised my opinion on free market, thus they deserve a response, just I have no time to respond right now. Sorry guys.
  • @Chaban
    Poor Faker.

    Been predicting an imminent U.S. collapse for what? a decade now?

    Said Ukraine was about to implode three or four years ago.

    These days he's trying to cheer up his readers, but he knows it's all over.

    The U.S. just decided to move beyond the propaganda war as Russia, I think it is fair to say, was winning on that front.

    But now it's over. Faker knows there is absolutely nothing Russia can do militarily against the West. I mean, we are talking about ALL the most powerful nations on earth combined here.

    Yeah, he can talk all he wants about Napoleon and the Third Reich, but the coalition now about to destroy Russia will not have to constantly worry about its western flank like others did. And Russia will not be supplied by a constant flow of tens of thousands of pieces of military hardware like in the 40s.

    Faker is suuuuch a good analyst that he was all excited, just like his followers, when Trump was elected. Those people truly believed that you could beat the system at its own game. So gullible! It was so bad that I left a couple messages on his blog (or on here, I can't remember), saying that Trump was meant to have Putin lower his guard, just like Obama was meant to have the Arab leaders drop their guards, and that Russia was in for a big surprise. Of course all the Faker groupies laughed me off... The "battle" that you saw between Trump and the establishment was just WWF meant to confuse the Russian leadership. Everyone was sooo focused on that. Suckers!

    As though, the chain of events of the last couple weeks had not been planned for weeks, months even. The Faker groupies are now grasping at straws (Ivanka, baby pictures, etc.) They cannot admit they've been had.

    As for the Faker, who knows Russia is screwed, he is left begging for China to do something. Only thing is, China is the U.S.'s bitch and their troop movements right now prove it.

    Finally, the U.S. totally took Russia and its leaders by surprise with the strike last week and now they are completely humiliating them by sending their Secretary of State to Moscow to rub it in. After such a slap in the face, a powerful nation would have turned down the visit. Do you actually think Russia could hit U.S. interests and send Lavrov to Washington a few days later?

    Now Lavrov and Tillerson have been going at it ALL DAY... meaning there are heavy negotiations going on. And that means Russia is in a position of weakness. They are doing everything they can to save face. There is nothing they can do. Faker knows it. All (real) military analysts know it. Of course Russia's nuclear arsenal, if it's still functioning properly, could be their trump card, but there is no way they would go there.

    And finally, I think China will turn on Russia. Mark my words. You've read it first.

    And all of Kiza's ad hominem attacks cannot change a thing about all this.

    The Saker’s anti-Americanism is always on full display. His columns always bubble over with his seething hatred for America and Americans.

    I wonder if he knows that John Wayne was just an actor. And why does he compare Russian special forces guys to John Wayne. He should compare them to our special forces guys.

    As for all of this crap of how Russians supposedly look down on Americans, they can stuff it. We don’t need lessons in morality or anything else from those people. They massacred tens of millions of their own, and the ones left alive lived a shitty existence, while our people lived the good life.

    And I hate the neocons with a vengeance, and I hate what Trump is allowing to happen to his presidency, but this notion that Russians are in any position to lecture Americans is crap, as is the notion that Russians are real manly men, while Americans are just a bunch of phony John Waynes. That’s some out of left field weirdness right there.

    I suppose this “Saker” fellow, whoever he is, is likely an arm of Russian propaganda.

    • Replies: @Hail

    The Saker’s anti-Americanism
     
    I wonder what his ideal U.S. government would look like?
    , @Kiza
    The only characteristic that exceeds the lack of knowledge of the majority of US people is their aggressive stupidity, on great display in comments here. I realised this a long while ago. For example, have you heard of a US movie called "Animal", rated very lowly because it describes the true moral nature of the US population? Another relevant one is "Idiocracy".

    Trying to engage aggressive US & Israeli idiots in a discussion would be a total waste of time. I have better things to do with my time.

    , @War for Blair Mountain
    Maybe Saker has good reasons to be anti-American. Russia was nestly destroyed dusting the Clinton years...It was a deliberate policy to gang rape Russia.
  • @Diversity Heretic
    Nuclear weapons should probably be reserved for ethnostates such as North Korea, China and Russia (although I'd personally be comfortable with Japanese acquisition of nukes). I increasingly favor nuclear disarmament for the U.S., France and Great Britain.

    Oh yeah. Russia, North Korea and China should definitely have nukes, and the U.S. left with none.

    You’re a friggin’ genius!