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After chatting with Brett Stevens on Twitter, this is my attempt to move beyond the recent tiff and explain why White Nationalism 1.0 failed and how the Alt-Right is moving beyond that now. I’ve outlined the external and internal factors that held the movement back:

Structural Factors

Here’s a summary of the most important external headwinds which held White Nationalism 1.0 back followed by how this changed in the Barack Obama/Donald Trump era.

The Cold War

The Cold War with the Soviet Union that was the driving force behind many of these undesirable racial and cultural changes in the West. For decades, anti-communism was the glue that held together the diverse factions of the Right. The specter of nuclear war with the Soviet boogeyman ensured that foreign policy took precedence over domestic policy in the United States.

Historically speaking, conflict with a European opponent has always driven bouts of racial egalitarianism in the United States. It happened in the aftermath of the American Revolution (Britain), the Reconstruction period (the Confederacy) and the Second World War (Nazi Germany). Usually, these episodes are followed by a longer period of retrenchment (the Antebellum era and the Jim Crow South), but the Cold War stretched the last major conflict out for two generations.

Trust In Institutions

The Greatest Generation which enacted the sweeping changes of the 1960s overwhelmingly trusted the federal government. They had beaten the Great Depression, the Axis Powers and were racing the Soviets to put a man on the moon. There was this naive mindset at the time that America could do anything. This is how we got the War on Racism, the War on Drugs and the War on Poverty.

In retrospect, this was an unusual period in American history when the mass media had been concentrated in a few hands and was trusted because journalists were considered to be objective. The anchors of the Big Three networks had a degree of authority which doesn’t exist anymore. The introduction of cable television, the rise of talk radio and finally the internet has changed the media landscape. A handful of elite media executives no longer have the power to control the narrative.

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The Greatest Generation and Boomers

The Greatest Generation and the Baby Boomers grew up at a time when their formative experiences in life were shaped by conflict with Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union and later the Civil Rights Movement. They grew up under a very different media landscape than their children and grandchildren.

Costs of Diversity

The United States was 88.6% non-Hispanic White in 1960. It was 61.3% non-Hispanic White in the 2010. The costs of diversity weren’t readily apparent to most White Americans in the 1960s. The issue simply wasn’t “baked” yet. For many decades, the Baby Boomers were able to navigate around the racial issue by moving to lily White suburbs, but this is increasingly unaffordable for Millennials.

The Economy

The postwar boom combined with immigration restriction had created flush times in an the United States by the 1960s. This was the context of the social experiments of that transformative decade. America was overwhelmingly White and was rich and naive enough to be more generous on race.

It took decades for neo-liberalism and globalization to take its toll on the middle class. This was punctuated by two periods when Americans began to feel better about the economy under Ronald Reagan in the 1980s and Bill Clinton in the 1990s. Today, the average American middle class and working class household has the same income it did in 1997 and 1996 respectively. The benefits of the economic growth of the last twenty years have accrued to only the upper class.

The Opposition’s Extremism

The Left used to have a different message on race and culture. It was about everyone having equal rights, happy talk about colorblindness and minorities sharing in America’s prosperity. This was the message that White America was sold on during the Civil Rights Movement. It was a time when MLK and his fellow black reverends were still imbued with the moral authority they lost in later decades. The Jamelle Bouies and Ta-Nehisi Coates will never be able to play the race card as effectively as their predecessors.

Republican Party

The Republican Party was a far stronger institution before W. and the neocons got behind the wheel and wrecked the country in the Iraq War. There were far more voters from the Greatest Generation and the Baby Boomers who brought up in the aforementioned media landscape. They are dwindling every year and many of the changes we see going on today is due to generational turnover.

Conservatism

The conservative movement was also far stronger and more dominant than it was in the past. It was easier in the old days for William F. Buckley and National Review to purge rightwing dissenters because publishing and the distribution of ideas was so much more expensive.

The SPLC

The SPLC has cheapened the “hate group” label by being so promiscuous with it. It is no longer the deterrent that it was in the past. Few people on the Right trust the SPLC or the mainstream media anymore and they are unlikely to recover that prestige.

Taboos

The whole structure of politically correct taboos that has controlled discourse and narrowed the range of “respectable” behavior on the Right for two generations has similarly been cheapened and weakened through overuse. For the woke progressive, there is no difference between Ben Shapiro and Hunter Wallace. We’re all racists, Nazis, white supremacists, evil haters, etc., etc.

The White Majority

The White majority was much stronger in the past. Republicans didn’t need to win 60% of the White vote to win the presidency. Because Whites are now such a smaller part of the electorate and our share of it has grown over time, we have more leverage now than our predeccesors.

Failure of MLK’s Dream

There was a time in the early years when it was still conceivable that could achieve racial equality and live in a colorblind society, but this fantasy is much less plausible fifty years later.

Opposition Tactics

For many years, Antifas were able to use violence, doxxing, no platforming to discourage our organizing. The more violent groups were also subjected to government crackdowns and SPLC lawsuits.

Barack Obama

Until the Barack Obama presidency, White America was able to pretend that it was “progressing” toward a post-racial society which would fulfill MLK’s Dream. Black America could entertain the fantasy that a black president could change their circumstances. In hindsight, the Obama presidency was a destabilizing time that shattered many illusions which had held sway in previous decades.

Donald Trump

Donald Trump was the rock that White America finally threw through the glass window of the status quo. The 2016 election severely weakened all norms and institutions in ways that will have long consequences. We can see this playing out with the mainstream media which has lost its ability to police the narrative and control discourse and by extension shape the nature of our politics.

Internal Factors

Here’s a brief list of some of the most important internal factors which prevented White Nationalism 1.0 from achieving its goals:

Radical Individualism

White Nationalism 1.0 was a much smaller movement and disproportionately attracted an audience of edge cases. These people are extreme non-conformists and expressive individualists. This stratum of the population is always found at the fringes of society and have a personality type that is resistant to social conditioning. The same characteristic that initially opened their minds to our message holds back the larger social movement when they reach a critical mass.

There are legions of these ornery people out there who are naturally disagreeable and incapable of finding common ground and working with others to advance a common purpose. They are a familiar figure in all marginalized extremist movements. The low trust, anonymous nature of online messageboards is the perfect breeding ground for their worst tendencies.

These gadflys are commonly found engaging in shit stirring and crank spiraling and the distractions they create prevented White Nationalism 1.0 from moving forward. Some common examples of this are unfounded accusations that various people in the movement are secret Jews or homosexuals or enemy agents and other types of conspiracy theories.

Extreme Message

In many cases, the message of White Nationalism 1.0 was simply too extreme. Many of these people were just unable to communicate with their peers. Their message and presentation was stupid, vicious, crazy or ugly. It was easier for the opposition to brand these people with stereotypes and marginalize them. They responded to their rejection by seeing themselves as part of a chosen few.

Negative Atmosphere

We didn’t use the term at the time, but White Nationalism 1.0 could be a “black pill” for its target audience. The chaos and dysfunction created by all the edge cases led to a negative atmosphere. In turn, this led to years of stagnation which led to many people getting demoralized and dropping out of the movement while others were deterred from becoming more active.

Marginal Figures

As Brett Stevens has pointed out, many of the people who were willing to step forward and become public leaders of White Nationalism 1.0 weren’t the best people.

Violence

The violent wing of White Nationalism 1.0 would periodically lash out in mass shootings. Usually, this accomplished nothing but creating a wave of negative publicity for the movement.

Impractical Mindset

White Nationalism 1.0 was far too focused on violent, apocalyptic scenarios in the distant future. It thought much less about the here and now, how to create a bridge between the present the future, the small steps that need to be taken to get us on the path to achieving our goals. “Naming the Jew” became a fixation for many of these people. What do you do after the Jew has been named though?

Narrow Message

I agree with Brett Stevens that White Nationalism 1.0 was too narrow. The message often never got beyond a desire to be rid of all the Jews and non-Whites. Even if that were accomplished, many of these people failed to realize that it is the nature of liberal democracy itself which leads to this outcome. The system naturally exhausts, disintegrates and perverts its host culture. The presence of Jews exacerbates its worst tendencies and acts as a catalyst that accelerates the timetable.

Failure To Exploit The Internet

The internet was a great new tool, but it was misused in its earliest years. The rise of online forums was a double-edged sword. It brought countless new people into the movement and successfully educated them in our beliefs and values, but it also gave them a safe outlet for role playing. White Nationalism 1.0 never got beyond shitposting on forums and remained bottled up online.

Prioritizing Politics

I think the biggest error of White Nationalism 1.0 was prioritizing politics. This ossified over time into the strategic division between mainstreamers and vanguardists. The mainstreamers believed in ultimate political victory through winning elections while the vanguardists believed in either violent revolution or creating small groups of the chosen few and waiting for the collapse of civilization.

Neither of these strategies worked because politics is downstream from culture. The mainstreamers were always politically marginalized and contained by the dominant taboos. The vanguardists were either perceived as destructive when they lashed out in violent acts or they spent all their time preaching to the choir which limited their influence and effectiveness. Both groups took White identity and various other cultural assumptions for granted which were no longer shared by their target audience which had become a herd of pleasure seeking, deracinated individualists.

Recent Changes

The upshot of this analysis is that previous generations of White Nationalists were held back by external forces which are generally no longer operative. These external forces deformed the internal nature of the movement mainly by restricting its ability to disseminate its message to a wider audience and through the type of leaders it produced. In the wake of Barack Obama and Donald Trump though, we are living in a different time now although many White Nationalists still haven’t realized it.

Fundamentally, White Americans are far more partisan and polarized now than was the case in the past. The Mainstream Media, aka the Fake News Media, has lost the confidence of the people. The government is widely distrusted. Islam has become the new external threat. The Republican Party is internally weak and vulnerable to populist challengers because it has absorbed so many former working class White Democrats and Independents. Conservatism is extremely weak after failing to achieve its goals. The decline of the White majority has given us greater political leverage. The reigning taboos have been weakened as the opposition has become more extreme, the pressure on the White majority has increased and the enforcers of those taboos have lost the legitimacy that they enjoyed in the past.

The biggest change is the rise of social media. Culture doesn’t come down to us vertically through narratives on television anymore like it did with the Greatest Generation and Baby Boomers. It is created organically and horizontally through networks. I get my news through interacting with my peers on Twitter and Facebook rather than through passively reading the local corporate owned print newspaper. The smartphone and crowdfunding has leveled the playing field in journalism and activism.

This is the right time. The social order is ripe for a challenge to the status quo on race and culture. We have all the tools we need now for it work. The way we are going to do this is by creating a turbocharged, highly active cultural vanguard to break the dominant taboos in giant social media spectacles. The demise of political correctness will be livestreamed. We do need to do a better job though of articulating our greater overarching vision of a new social order to replace the one that is failing. We have to vanquish this beast though before political change will become possible. The culture war is already churning in the bowels of cyberspace and the goal of our activism will be to bring it to the surface.

As we get the ball rolling, the internal factors mentioned above which held White Nationalism 1.0 back will begin to fade. Truth be told, they were already fading. We’re seeing the Alt-Right getting active on the streets which wasn’t the case three years ago. This is shifting into the real world now and that will create stronger bonds as people get to know each other and work together in real life. It will be a fun, positive atmosphere that the disaffected will want to join and participate in.

(Republished from Occidental Dissent by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Thomm says:

    It failed, and future incarnations will fail too, simply because :

    1) 99% of it is bitter omega males who can’t get laid. The ideology is the biggest sausage-fest ever, even though it is wholly dependent on white women producing more babies.
    ii) It is a goddess cult, that is entirely pre-occupied with worshipping white women rather than elevating white nationalists (underachievers within the white population) into competence. This also reinforces 1) above, as women hate needy, pedestalizing men.
    iii) It fails to distinguish between illegal/legal immigration, and unskilled/skilled immigration.
    iv) Whites have an unusually high variance in quality (talents, looks, etc.). That is why white nationalists tend to be the lower-ranking white men who have zero in common with successful white men other than shared ancestry from Europe, centuries ago. Sort of how a chihuahua is not a German Shepherd, even if it insists is is on.
    v) Economic leftism : The economic views of untalented people tend to be left-wing. WNs are no exception. They want intra-white socialism, despite how little they have in common with successful whites. Successful whites know this, and thus ensure that WNs are kept outside of respectable society.

  2. Weird, from the other side of the Atlantic Hispanics are seen as whites.
    Of course, they did not come on the Mayflower, but they are neither black nor Muslim.
    They just made a detour, they arrived in the America’s in the wake of Columbus.
    And I wonder who exactly Alt Right is.
    Jewish sociologist Stephen Steinlight already years ago warned for immigrants from the south.
    ‘Mexicans do not know the holocaust, for them jews in the USA are just rich USA citizens’.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    , @RadicalCenter
  3. person says:

    If a WN movement “succeeds” it will be the death of the Republican party. “Succeeding” would be the worst thing possible for the achievement of WN goals. If you take away all the minority votes Trump got, he would have been solidly beaten.

    Much more politically feasible would be to push for a Canada style immigration policy where only high IQ foreign nationals are allowed to immigrate. That gets you most of the benefits of white nationalism anyway.

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    , @Thomm
  4. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The violent wing of White Nationalism 1.0 would periodically lash out in mass shootings.

    When did this ever happen?
    You’re not mythmaking, are you?

  5. @Thomm

    I used to read Stormfront a lot. It was very good but that worship of the white aryan princess was quite apparent. Today,those guys have little credibility.
    Look at all the white women in public life. They are a monstrous collection of empty headed baboons;the latest Candidate being the ultimate example of toxic womanhood. Women are losing their halos. Men may be needy,but it’s getting harder to pedestalize these beeyotches.
    Perhaps the diminution of the feminist male,who gets” women and their struggle,will lead to a more sexually appealing WM.
    Maybe the better off guys who sniff at WNs will come to be seen as chickenshit?

  6. The Greatest Generation which enacted the sweeping changes of the 1960s overwhelmingly trusted the federal government.

    I agree that they overwhelmingly trusted the federal government and despite its corruption, they still do. !!!

    Therefore calling that pack of fools the “Greatest’ makes a mockery of the title. The mindless, brainless gaggle of arrogant imbeciles are some of the most hopelessly moronic fools one will ever encounter and that includes well schooled and credentialed “professionals.”

    Successful whites know this, and thus ensure that WNs are kept outside of respectable society.

    In Amerika, there is no respectable society, but I know what yer saying. Too bad that like the poor, WNs will always be with us. Paradoxically, the worse they get get hosed by the “upper crust” power blocs, the more heartily they wave the flag and seek comfort in it.

  7. AndrewR says:

    WNs tend to fall on the left side of the bell curve for essentially all desirable human traits, but this will change as the left becomes even more openly anti-white. Every day more and more whites wake up to the reality that the agenda of the left is nothing less than the eradication of whites BAMN, and that the mainstream right is completely ineffective, if not outright complicit, in stopping this agenda.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  8. iffen says:
    @Thomm

    (underachievers within the white population) into competence.

    This is not obtainable for the group “underachievers.”

    White nationalism can appeal to many who want the “group” to excel because other ideologies and political endeavors have failed and will repeatedly fail.

    A universal basic income with restrictions is the way to solve the problem.

  9. The leftward trend could change if we get the following breaks, which are far from inconceivable: (i) Trump gets reelected and continues to appoint good judges (supposedly, on average, a two-term president is able to replace about 20% of the federal judiciary); (ii) generation Z fulfills its promise of rejecting doctrinaire progressivism; (iii) the collapse of the social order in Europe becomes dramatically apparent; and (iv) research shows beyond cavil that group differences in intelligence (and possibly behavioral characteristics) are 40-50% genetic.

  10. mp says:

    White folk are very adaptable and passive. The matriarchy is in charge, and as long as there’s NFL football and plenty of beer on the weekends, men won’t mind whether the country sinks to Third World status. Sure, Brazilification is heating up, and not as gradual as it once was. But beer can be made cheaply, and in large quantities. Not only that, but the Tribe understands and caters to American’s banal desires via television. Throw in marijuana legalization, the potential for new sex robots (three year lease with a CPO buyout clause), and…well, the future is looking bright.

    PS: clue me in when the alt right figures out whether Italians, Poles, and even Greeks are white. Or whether we can be allied with Persians. Or whether it’s Asian women, or Jews, who are the biggest problem for white men. Or whether Christianity or paganism is the key to the highway. Oh, and one other thing. Anyone who accuses another person of being a “beta male” on an Internet forum is probably not themselves an Aryan “alpha” male warrior. So the alt right needs to figure out who the alphas are. And then let the rest of us know, so we can follow.

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  11. The Cold War…..well, we are lucky we are alive in 2017…several near misses starting with The Cuban Missile Crisis….onto The Vietnam War…The Reagan Years….The Clinton Years(the bombing of Belgrade could have started Nuclear WW3)…. Near miss as in minutes-away-from-Nuclear World War 3.

    In his book about the War Criminal Henry Kissinger…”The Price of Power”….Seymour Hersh writes about how close we came to Nuclear War during the Nixon Years over Vietnam.

    The Alt Right doesn’t have to re-invent the wheel. The late 19th Century-early Twentieth Century Labor Movement is our model:Pro-labor…Socialist….hostility to Mega-Corporate Power….anti-Negro…..racially xenophobic….anti-war…..

    What won’t work:The worshiping of Pinochet and Franco…two proto-Neo-Liberal….economic neo-liberalism…..Death Squad Cockroache.The US version of Franco and Pinochet=the Cuban sewage down in Miami….Old Timey Native Born White American Race Power is the proper response to what happened down in Miami…..

  12. Kirt says:

    Nationalism (making an idol or political ideology of your nation) is never an especially good idea any more than is any other kind of “ism”. White nationalism is more problematic than most, given that you would have trouble finding two WNs who even agree on what constitutes a white person or the white nation. Mr. Griffin seems to go with “non-Hispanic whites” but implies that Jews would also be excluded. Would he include people of Middle Eastern ancestry, currently classified as “non-Hispanic whites”? I doubt it, but even if he would, many of these people are currently seeking their own classification, as Steve Sailer has pointed out, and will probably get it. Of those left (maybe half the population of the US and in demographic decline) many will never have the slightest interest in becoming WNs. So what is the end game for any variant of white nationalism?

    • Replies: @ia
  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    We should focus on one thing: Make being pro-White socially legitimate (especially among a majority of Whites).

    Period

    Then, after we have the right to speak without being attacked or imprisoned, then we can talk about policy issues. Until we have that, getting into farfetched plans for the future makes no sense and is actually counterproductive.

    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
  14. How bad is the situation in the American South?

    Go google images of India’s University-College Engineering Faculties and Graduate Students:100 percent Hindu-Sihk. Well…if it hasn’t already happened….in a few years…if you google photos of the University of Alabama and Auburn University Engineering-Computer Science-Mathematics-Physics…well, you would think you were looking at a photo taken in India…China…Iran…

    I hope “ROLL TIDE!!!” was worth it. Penn State just as bad….Penn State is being colonized by wealthy Chinese and Muzzies….

  15. a good and ambitious article….but it still falls short…it still only beats around the edges of the real issues…
    first, let’s address this quote from the article:

    “Neither of these strategies worked because politics is downstream from culture. “

    VERY true..very true…but he missed the underlying causational forces in play…understanding why things happened is crucial…otherwise this is just cargo cult sociopolitics….but never fear! your friendly neighborhood boomer known as “alt white comics” is here to explain eeevvverrryything to ya, hun….

    yes, politics is downstream of culture….but culture is downstream of propaganda…downstream of the ideology propagated by those who control the flow of ideas…

    for most of man’s history, culture arose organically from the bottom up….as you have pointed out, as technology gave rise to the printing press, magazines, newspapers, electronics, radio, TV, etc., those at the top of society, the managerial upper class, the plutocrats, the big corporations etc, began to control the flow of ideology into the minds of the people and more specifically, the flow of ideas into the minds of children….children, whose minds and worldviews are being shaped in schools….the hi-tech society demands more education…and it was the elite that shaped and molded the educational curriculum that came into being as schooling became more common….after all, the elite colleges of hundreds of years ago were by and for the elite…and it was those colleges that created the educational curriculum that shaped young minds of the working class….

    the elite, the upper class, have always seen the white working class majority as an obstacle to getting cheap nonwhite labor in america…this goes back well over 100 years ago…so naturally the elite have always seen nonwhites as angels delivering cheap labor and whites as enemies trying to stop cheap labor…hence the rise of multiculturalism, which is simply the embodiment of elite love for nonwhites and hatred of whites….which arose from this original cheap labor vs mass immigration vs racial integration/segregation conflict…

    now, back to propaganda shaping young minds….as the age-old folk wisdom from the bible tells us, when a child is raised up in the way he should go, he will not depart from it when he is older….the elite are raising our children up in the way the elite believe they should be raised up…and the elite love cheap labor and a larger economy….the elites are the ranchers that control this livestock operation called America….they want more human cattle, cheaper labor, more consumers…they always have…and they get it via nonwhites…..

    the educational curriculum is built around a slanted, biased, cherry-picked version of history that portrays whites as the demons of history and nonwhites as the angels of history….naturally, because that is the perspective of the upper class, whose subculture has been shaped by their conflict with the white working class majority….in the battle to get cheap nonwhite labor, which morphed into the battle to get more consumers via immigration so as to prop up the ponzi economy….

    the point is that it all starts with stopping the elite from cramming an anti-white version of history into kids in school…those who control the past control the future….that is the wisdom of orwell….school vouchers would be a good start…of course, just as bush promised vouchers in 2000 and then did nothing once elected, trump is following the same path….

    the elite shaped the culture via the educational curriculum using a slanted version of history…stop elite edu-propaganda and counter it with our own propaganda….simple enuf fer ya?

    and again I am alone on the alt-right, surrounded by 2-digit IQ types screeching about jooooos!….surrounded by clever writers pursuing patreon dollars, etc etc etc…there is no hope…there is only the certainty of civil war…

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    , @ia
  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    You haven’t seen nothing yet. European whites (like me) are waking up at a tremendous pace. We simply won’t allow to be genocided in our ancestral lands. The scheming “elite” tends to devolve over time and eventually overplay their hand. It’s not the first time we’re seeing that cycle.

  17. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @alt white comics

    Its because of the Juu!

  18. anarchyst says:

    There is an internally-destructive part of white humanity that manifests itself in always “looking out for the downtrodden” and a sense of “fair play” that is absent in every other race. Every other race looks inward, to itself and determines what is best for each other, within the race.

    Whites posses an externalized “altruism” that is internally destructive.

    Civil-rights (for some) laws, “affirmative action” statutes, preferences for jobs and scholarships based solely on race–not ability, and other non-competitive schemes have done NOTHING but drag whites down and deny us whites our rightful place in OUR society.

    Us whites have every right to be proud of our contributions to the human race. We have done MORE to (attempt to) uplift other races than any other race in human history.
    Isn’t it curious to note that every other race wants to move to white-dominated countries, even those that practiced “apartheid”??

    Once most other races immigrate to white countries, they attempt to “tear down” the white society that they advocate living in.
    The other races are their own worst enemies…
    Asia for asians…
    Africa for Africans…
    Middle east for semites…
    White countries for everyone…
    What’s wrong with this picture??

    Multiculturalism and diversity are code words for white genocide…

    As whites comprise approximately 6% of the world’s total population, shouldn’t whites be one of the most protected and cherished of races?

    …there is no “white liberation theology”.

    Despite being the greatest promoter of advancement for ALL races, us whites are denied the right to look after OUR own interests, because “people of color” (who constantly look for and find “racism” under every rock) demand that us whites subjugate ourselves and deny ourselves the solidarity among our own kind that every other race practices.

    As far as I am concerned, whites have done enough self-flagellation, having given up our own birthright, sacrificing it on the (false) altars of “civil-rights (for some)” and “anti-discrimination” laws that benefit only minorities.

    Pushback is coming. It won’t be pretty, but is necessary.

    A number of years ago, a survey of college students was done, asking one question: “What would life be like if every white person disappeared?”
    After extensive soul-searching, one minority student spoke up…”we’d be screwed” was the answer.

    Message to minorities–if life is so oppressive under whites, why not emigrate to whatever country you originate from?

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    , @gT
    , @mark3383
  19. Two or three anti-white nationalists in this thread lecturing White Nationalists on what White Nationalism should be…

    Beyond White Nationalism 1.0=The Rock Stars of the White Nationalist Movement going around the US and asking their fellow Native Born White Americans only one question:JUST WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP FOR BEING A WHITE RACIAL MINORITY IN POST-WHITE TOILET “AMERICA”?

    I went to Cabelas a week before Christmas one Saturday morning this past year:As soon as they let the people in….a very long lined formed at the gun section…lots of White Guys buying their wives a basic self-defense pistol…..this is an example of the contours of White Nationalism…

  20. Art Deco says:

    Republican Party The Republican Party was a far stronger institution before W. and the neocons got behind the wheel and wrecked the country in the Iraq War. There were far more voters from the Greatest Generation and the Baby Boomers who brought up in the aforementioned media landscape. They are dwindling every year and many of the changes we see going on today is due to generational turnover.

    Meanwhile, in the world in which we actually live, the Republican Party’s position in legislative bodies is better than it has been at any time since 1928. The country wasn’t ‘wrecked’ ‘in the Iraq War’. (In truth, the 11 provinces of Iraq which lack a critical mass of Sunni Arabs are quiet, so even Iraq isn’t wrecked). The flesh-and-blood neoconservatives were a modest collection of academics and opinion journalists. Absolutely no one in that circle was born after 1962 and the salient figures within that are deceased (Irving Kristol, Kenneth Lynn, Seymour Martin Lipset, Ben Wattenberg, Jeane Kirkpatrick) or quite old (Nathan Glazer, Midge Decter, Norman Podhoretz, and Joseph Epstein). At no time in the last 25 years have people associated with this circle represented a distinct tendency within the Republican Party. Wm. Kristol is a standard issue Republican. (Soi-disant palaeoconservatives and palaeolibertarians are largely inconsequential in the voting booth and in what there is of intellectual life).

    Conservatism. The conservative movement was also far stronger and more dominant than it was in the past. It was easier in the old days for William F. Buckley and National Review to purge rightwing dissenters because publishing and the distribution of ideas was so much more expensive.

    It was never dominant at any time in federal politics, in the voting booth or in any venue of intellectual life. (There was a time ca. 1983 when Heritage and AEI were better policy marketers than Brookings etc). The ‘dissenters’ ‘purged’ by Buckley included Ayn Rand and her acolytes, Max Eastman, the John Birch Society, and the few academic purveyors of the “New Conservatism”. (Peter Viereck, Clinton Rossiter). Eastman, Viereck, and Rossiter represented only themselves, Rand had an audience but could never have put together a popular movement (and was lackadaisical about workaday politics), and the Birch Society was just nucking-futs. Buckley was also dismissive of George Wallace (“a flagitious demagogue”), but that man had issues up the wazoo and wasn’t on board with starboard prescriptions re the economy.

    • Replies: @John Malt
    , @Anonymous
  21. To understand why white nationalism failed, google and read THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION. The Zionists have installed their NWO and if anyone doubts this read the 10 planks of the communist manifesto and see how many are in effect right here in river city ie AMERICA.

  22. And about the following no one in the Alt Right-White-Nationalist Movement should have any doubt:JFK was viciously anti-Native Born White American…pure unadulterated Invade-the-World-Invite-the Worldism.

    The passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act was the filthy cockroach’s Teddy’s permanent monument of demographic extermination to his filthy Irish Catholic Cockroach brother JFK…

    You can thank JFK for Spanish Speaking Foriegn Miami….and all the Cuban Sewage that comes with this….such as Marco Rubio….and the Cuban Congressional Caucus that votes for Demographic extermination of the Historic Native Born White American Majority……and don’t forget JEB……you can thank the cockroach JFK for importing JEB’S Cuban “American” Voting Bloc….

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    , @Thomm
  23. If it’s Nationalist vs. Globalist you don’t have to be white. Just red pilled. The 99 vs. 1 percent meme is useful for Americans who know nothing of class dynamics. The globalists would have the 1 percent enslave us all. The Globalists are still looking for the end of history. For them it ends in eternal, universal Feudalism. The Nationalists would preserve National Sovereignty as a fire wall against this particular dystopia.

    The social aspect of Nationalism is important. But the 1 percent are in charge. The entire 99 percent are needed by the resistance. You can’t get to 99 with white only. Why do you think our rulers constantly sow division and strife among us? I have never been a Conservative. I am allied with the Alt Right because, whether they know it or not, they serve the interests of the working class.

  24. KenH says:

    What the author overlooks is that, despite their foibles, the “vanguardist” wing has invariably been correct about a great many things. Dr. William Pierce’s Why Conservatives Can’t Win is a timeless classic. Vanguardists were calling out the conservatives for the frauds and mountebanks they always were since the 1970′s while “mainstreamers” kept deluding themselves into thinking they could be won over to pro-white activism through entreaties, flattery and remaining neutral on the Jewish question. They were sorely mistaken.

    The other point where vanguardists were way ahead of their time was in their conviction that American electoral politics was a fool’s errand and that whites weren’t going to vote their way out of this mess. This circles back back to the conservatives who make lofty promises to their 80% white base then turn around and betray them once re-election is in hand. Conservatives continue to move left on all of their signature issues and sell out to cultural Marxism and political correctness which is leaving increasing numbers of whites out in the cold.

    The alt-right rightfully bashes and derides the conservatives as “cuckservatives” and openly acknowledge Jewish power and influence and the futility of voting in a rigged system. It’s a fact that mainstream pro-whites have themselves moved to the the right and are now much closer to “vanguardist” positions than they probably care to admit. This vindicates former vanguardist positions that were once dismissed as too fringe or extreme.

    With each passing year the lines between mainstreamers and vanguardists is becoming blurred because the former has moved towards the latter’s positions owing to the times.

    • Replies: @Rod1963
  25. Saxon says:
    @person

    No, it doesn’t. Elites of other groups still vote against you, still use ethnic nepotism against you (while you can’t use it against them, of course, since anarcho-tyranny will come down hard on you) and still want to bring their entire family and extended family with them. They also engage in economic warfare against the host populace as you see in Canada with the real estate market.

    There is literally no benefit to any racially alien migration. Period. Both the highly touted “points system” countries, Canada and Australia are being rapidly ethnically cleansed of their native founding white populace. Canada will have went from 97% white in 1971 to less than 50% by 2036. You are a complete fool if you think that in 2036 Canada will be a hospitable place to have European ancestry, but that is the “points system” migration policy for you. In Canada it’s already almost open season on white males, and the government allows open discrimination against us by claiming we’re not a protected class therefore somehow acceptable. Think that will be better when we’re a minority that can’t win via the ballot box anymore?

    Either the foreigners go or war must happen, or otherwise European populations suffer a slow burn genocide. Non-homogeneous countries no matter how high the iQ of the component population will be ridden with conflict and make a mockery of any idea of democracy. Voting blocs are already normal except among whites because of all of the indoctrination and gaslighting.

    • Agree: Jus' Sayin'..., Clyde
  26. These people are extreme non-conformists

    … to the current state of affairs.

    Real non-conformists are extremely pragmatic, chameleonics.

  27. @WorkingClass

    yeah, good point….nonwhites, if they are smart, should realize that in order to defeat the elite, there must be a solid unified majority bloc….and they should realize that the white culture created modern civilization…but they won’t do that because of racial solidarity, which is encourage for nonwhites by the elites

  28. Alfa158 says:
    @jilles dykstra

    On the other side of the Atlantic, Hispanics are Spaniards who are White, and that accounts for the perception that Hispanics are White here as well. The Hispanics entering the US are overwhelmingly non-White. They don’t look like Pope Francis. If you tour LA you will see that many are pure Indian, and most have no visible sign of any White heritage, even when they may be a few percent White genetically.

  29. @Thomm

    Whites have an unusually high variance in quality (talents, looks, etc.).

    This should have been prefaced with “IMHO”. Unless, of course, you can substantiate this with some cites of scientific research, demographic data, or some other source.

  30. AndrewR says:
    @anarchyst

    whites comprise approximately 6% of the world’s total population

    Lol you’re stupid

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  31. L Woods says:
    @Thomm

    This sort of simple-minded “I’ve got mine, Jack” posturing is why we’re in this situation. Won’t disagree with the second point though.

  32. @Father O'Hara

    The destruction of the Republic accelerated significantly in the immediate aftermath of the Nineteenth Amendment. The process has continued at an unabated, rapid pace since then with further, occasional, female-fueled bursts of acceleration, e.g., the Kennedy-Johnson era and the reign of the first affirmative action president. Woke – I mean really woke! – White males barely saved us from the catastrophe that the Hidabeast would have brought in her wake.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  33. @jilles dykstra

    A majority of hispanics in the USA are in fact mestizo or Indio, mostly not white European genetically and arguably not really European culturally either. They are at most white mixed with native Indian (in the case of Mexicans and many other Latin Americans), or white mixed with a lot of African in the case of many Brazilians, Caribbean, etc.

    It is, then, accurate and unsurprising that we here don’t equate Hispanic with White European.

    The Hispanics you see in Europe are, presumably, usually from Spain. As Spaniards (excluding the Canary Islands, which are highly atypical), I.e. they typically have some North African genetic contribution but nothing like caribbeans or Brazilians; negligible subsaharan african, and Negligible to zero Native Indian (utterly unlike our Mexicans, who make up a majority of our Hispanic immigrants nationally and especially in California, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado.

  34. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    Just to let everyone in this thread know, Thomm is an Indian who tries to label every American as a white national.

    While he might level us as white bitter omega males Thomm is a bitter omega male Indian.

  35. Talha says:

    Wow – excellent article, finally a very mature self reflection on what had gone wrong and what needs to change for there to be a more successful movement. The author gives some very good suggestions.

    Again, thanks to Mr. Unz for giving it more publicity.

    Peace.

  36. ia says:
    @mp

    PS: clue me in when the alt right figures out whether Italians, Poles, and even Greeks are white.

    Don’t worry, the blacks, browns, Jews, Muslims, etc., in the teeming cauldron will be more than happy to let them know whose white, pagan, infidel, etc.

  37. ia says:
    @Kirt

    So what is the end game for any variant of white nationalism?

    I’d say look at Washington, DC. Voted 94% Hillary. Hardest of the hardcore liberal NGO establishment. Black-run Metrorail near 3rd world level disruption. Black mayor wants to colonize white wards with unmarried black women with children. Hardcore liberals up in arms to put it mildly. WaPo attacking DC Gov corruption. White council members attacking black school heads. See, they’re not really that different from racist, bigot, haters when the rubber hits the road.

    • Replies: @Kirt
  38. @Thomm

    WNs tend to have much larger families than Good Whites, so it’s debatable who is getting laid. WNs are also definitely more patriarchal than their GW male counterparts, who attend events like Lilith Fair. As for intelligence, I don’t see anything smart in voluntarily taking a back seat and walking down the path to your own destruction. Sure, virtue-signaling and going along to get along smooth the path to success in the short-term in many professions and fields, but I’m not sure what good it does for one’s children and grandchildren, unless is nets you a fortune that will span generations. Two groups with two different strategies. Time will tell which was less intelligent and successful.

    I’d settle for a population of under 300 million total of the current mix, if everyone agreed to abide by the same rules and standards, with no racial perks, set-asides, voting blocs, etc… Unfortunately, that will never happen, because few minorities and immigrants would go along, and the people running the nation at the moment like to keep the immigrants and minorities stirred up.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  39. ia says:

    When whites can no longer avoid the consequences of “diversity” they automatically become alt-right. They just don’t call it that.

  40. ia says:

    and they should realize that the white culture created modern civilization

    They do. And that’s why they want to destroy it.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  41. ia says:
    @Anonymous

    Was he formerly Numinous? If not, that makes two. LOL.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  42. ia says:
    @alt white comics

    for most of man’s history, culture arose organically from the bottom up

    That sure is some crackpot nonsense. The plebeians and peasants were excluded from “high” culture entirely. They still are in most parts of the world. That’s why they were called plebeians and peasants in the first place. They lacked refinement. They toiled as slaves, indentured servants, serfs, etc. most completely illiterate. The middle class, and in particular the vast American middle class, is an historical aberration. It was fun while it lasted though.

  43. L Woods says:
    @Anonymous

    Attacking an ideology based upon the allegedly low notch count of its adherents is an invalid argument in any case, for what I would hope are pretty obvious reasons.

  44. n230099 says:

    LOL!! There’s 10 minutes I’ll ‘never get back!’

    “o·ver·think
    ˌōvərˈTHiNGk/Submit
    verb
    –gerund or present participle: overthinking think about (something) too much or for too long. In many cases, overthinking is caused by a single emotion: fear. When you focus on all the negative things that might happen, it’s easy to become paralyzed.”

  45. URGH says:

    “White Nationalism 1.0 never got beyond shitposting on forums”

    Bitch please, AR was formulated and made by “shitposting on forums” and later in trolling raids.

  46. This article is great. There needs to be more like it. It could easily be expanded into a “White Nationalism for Normies” manifesto that is desperately in need of promulgation right now.

  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @ia

    I don’t know, but Indian trolls are a real problem for quality dialog in message boards.

    The good thing is that they are usally easy to spot.

  48. @ia

    and they should realize that the white culture created modern civilization

    They do. And that’s why they want to destroy it.

    “Modern civilization” is either an oxymoron or indicative of low standards for defining “civilization.”

    Either way, since it obviously cannot be reformed, it ought to be destroyed.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    , @ia
  49. @jacques sheete

    I hope you like walking, not having a computer, farming if you don’t know a trade, etc… I kind of enjoy those things, along with heating and ac and hot running water.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  50. ia says:
    @jacques sheete

    Given your race, sex and class, family background, etc., (of which I have no idea) in what civilization and epoch can you imagine yourself content?

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  51. Joe Walker says: • Website

    “Naming the Jew” became a fixation for many of these people. What do you do after the Jew has been named though?

    And what would you do? Kiss the Jew’s ass and hope he doesn’t crap in your face? As much as you and your friend Jared Taylor hate to admit it, the Jew is our enemy and always will be. You don’t defeat your enemies by pandering to them.

    • Replies: @Rod1963
  52. Thomm says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    WNs tend to have much larger families than Good Whites, so it’s debatable who is getting laid.

    I don’t think so. The WNs tend to be the neckbeards on Stormfront.

    Big families like the Duggars and Bates’ are just good people in rural America. They are not WNs.

  53. Thomm says:
    @Anonymous

    Nope. I am not an Indian, as I have said repeatedly. I am a white male from the Great Lakes area.

    The fact that I defend skilled immigrants as economically beneficial to the West doesn’t compute for certain WN faggots.

  54. @Anonymous

    Thomm is a bitter omega male Indian.

    No need to repeat yourself.

  55. Thomm says:
    @Father O'Hara

    I used to read Stormfront a lot. It was very good but that worship of the white aryan princess was quite apparent. Today,those guys have little credibility.
    Look at all the white women in public life. They are a monstrous collection of empty headed baboons;the latest Candidate being the ultimate example of toxic womanhood.

    That is right. I noticed the same thing, which proved to me that WN is far less than meets the eye.

    A movement entirely devoted to worshipping the same foolish women who vote in hordes of Muslims (and will continue to do so) makes no sense.

  56. Joe Walker says: • Website

    and again I am alone on the alt-right, surrounded by 2-digit IQ types screeching about jooooos!

    And what would you have us do? Pretend that the Jews are not our enemies? Close our eyes while the Jews promote diversity and multiculturalism in every country in the world except Israel?

    • Replies: @Marty T
  57. Thomm says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    The destruction of the Republic accelerated significantly in the immediate aftermath of the Nineteenth Amendment. The process has continued at an unabated, rapid pace since then with further, occasional, female-fueled bursts of acceleration, e.g.,

    That is right. Female suffrage was the fatal error that the West made.

    WNs, by worshipping white women beyond any and all logical justification, are hence just tools of feminists.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  58. Thomm says:
    @AndrewR

    WNs tend to fall on the left side of the bell curve for essentially all desirable human traits,

    Very, very true.

    but this will change as the left becomes even more openly anti-white. Every day more and more whites wake up to the reality that the agenda of the left is

    I keep hoping for this. But the most strident lefties and masterminds are always white. The negros are just the street soldiers. Every far-left push has a white person behind it (Bernie Sanders had whiter supporters at his rallies than Trump)..

    So this is ultimately a civil war within whites.

    • Replies: @Pandadude
  59. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @War for Blair Mountain

    The passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act was the filthy cockroach’s Teddy’s permanent monument of demographic extermination to his filthy Irish Catholic Cockroach brother JFK

    Like the Clintons, the Kennedys work for the Jews.

  60. gT says:
    @anarchyst

    Could you kindly go extinct with less … uh … vocalizations please. You are going extinct because you let the Juu’s into your society and allowed them to take over the upper echelons in your society, and they then opened the gates for the other minorities to flood in to completely destroy your society. Therefor apportion the blame to the correct minority and not to the other minorities, who are soon to be the majority.

    Pushback might happen in England, but Europe is finished. Germany is Europe and Germany is going straight downhill thanks to Merkel. The US might survive if Trump survives.

  61. Thomm says:
    @person

    Much more politically feasible would be to push for a Canada style immigration policy where only high IQ foreign nationals are allowed to immigrate. That gets you most of the benefits of white nationalism anyway.

    Precisely correct. This is what I advocate.

    Note that these White Nationalist-Leftists hate this, because if there is one thing they hate more than a poor non-white, it is a rich non-white. Remember, they don’t think in economic terms, but rather in terms of “oooh, we can’t permit white women to marry colored men!!”. Nevermind that without those colored men, the white woman will choose to become a nun over marrying a WN loser.

    The truth is, every highly-skilled immigrant is a huge injection of capital into the US. They were educated K-12 and Bachelor’s degree at the expense of another country, and come here as a ready-to-work 22 y/o. To create the same in the US costs $500K, not to mention how the US education system has been polluted with leftism.

    Just for favoring skilled immigration, I get accused of being an Indian, a Chinese, and an Iranian on this board.

  62. Thomm says:

    and again I am alone on the alt-right, surrounded by 2-digit IQ types screeching about jooooos!….

    White Nationalists tend to have Negro IQs.

    • Replies: @Marty T
  63. Thomm says:
    @Anonymous

    Just to let everyone in this thread know, Thomm is an Indian who tries to label every American as a white national.

    100% false. I say the opposite – that most whites are NOT WNs and find WNs to be losers.

    WNs are butthurt that successful whites see them for the garbage they are, and white women prefer black and brown men over WNs.

    I repeat : Most whites know that WNs are losers/moochers who just want to take resources from successful whites. This is what bugs WNs the most.

    Thanks, Anonymous, for reminding us that WNs like you have Negro IQs.

    Heh heh heh heh heh

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  64. Kirt says:
    @ia

    You’re saying I should look at Washington, DC as the end game of white nationalism? Really? We already have that and it’s actually worse than you say. Happily, I don’t live there and have no desire to visit. I live a quiet peaceful life in majority Hispanic (mestizo, if you prefer) Corpus Christi. It’s actually quite nice here.

    • Replies: @ia
  65. @Thomm

    Just curious, but I constantly find this argument (well, really insult for the purposes of political demoralization) everywhere on the world wide inter webs. The whole “my enemy doesn’t get laid/sex, is terrible with women therefore they are doomed.” Is there any historical examples of this? Did Allied propaganda in WW1 talk about how German men can’t satisfy their women and therefore the central powers war effort was doomed?

    Was there ancient medieval scripture stating that the moors “can’t get laid bra?”

    Curious.

    Also Thomm if you think WN are in the aryan princess phase then you haven’t been reading the Daily Stormer, which is the most popular Drudge Report style WN news site. The meme there is White Sharia, I.E. getting dem women’s covered up and back in the kitchen before they get themselves in trouble.

    Mostly I just think you’re a troll with troll points that might have been decent 5 years ago.

  66. @ia

    …in what civilization and epoch can you imagine yourself content?

    I can’t imagine it and judging by much of what’s been written about history, such a state is probably not available on this planet, if anywhere.

    Besides that, civilization implies civility, and I detect little of that, either.

    However, I’d call it a good start if we’d quite patting ourselves on the back and pretending that such fabulous constructs as “civilization” really mean much.

    • Replies: @ia
  67. KenH says:
    @Thomm

    You’re a bottom feeding troglodyte and troll who posts gibberish regardless of what you claim you are. You’re extremely mentally disturbed probably because white females have rejected your advances. One look in the mirror is a painful reminder to you of why.

  68. Rod1963 says:
    @KenH

    Quite true.

    One thing that Trump’s winning exposed was how fraudulent the political system really is. It showed the GOP in cahoots with the Dems and the MSM being nothing but a tool of the ruling class and whose job to keep the wrong sort of people from running for office.

    His presidency also exposed the Left/elites/cucks as supporting the demographic destruction of whites.

    We know war is coming. We tried the political route with Trump and we’ve seen the entire system turn on him. There is no hope for a political and peaceful resolution.

    The nest stage will be violence, not now but once the system suffers a large enough economic implosion, it will happen.

  69. @Thomm

    Nope. I am not an Indian, as I have said repeatedly. I am a white male from the Great Lakes area.

    Save it, Hanuman. I can hear your warbly accent seeping through the comments screen. And what the hell is “the Great Lakes area” anyway? Saying that you’re from anywhere between Upstate New York west to Minnesota, and from Ohio north to Canada, isn’t very specific. Normal Americans do not talk this way, but Indians working at call centers who identify themselves as “James” do.

    The West does not need immigrants of any kind, skilled or unskilled, educated or uneducated, wealthy or poor. We already produce all of the above. The point is, these are our countries. We have our own destinies to work out, in relation to which you and your brethren will never be anything more than an interference.

    For the last several decades we have been tolerant of foreigners. That will not be the case much longer. You’re going to find the West a much less welcoming place in the near future. Think about the harvest you will reap before you sow any more of these snarky comments.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @KenH
  70. @OilcanFloyd

    I hope you like walking, not having a computer, farming if you don’t know a trade, etc… I kind of enjoy those things, along with heating and ac and hot running water.

    I love walking. I love farming. I love having a trade and a profession, but what do any of those things have to do with civilization?

    As for heating and AC and hot running water, I’ll grant you that AC and computers take some technical know how, but none of them represents much of a hurdle if they’re what you mean by civilization.

    Like I said, we probably would do well as a society to raise our standards a bit beyond material comforts.

    I judge a civilization by the justice it adheres to. By that standard, we are still in the Stone Age if that.

    Instead of preening ourselves, maybe we should get to work and make sure we do the right things instead, such as devising methods of holding ourselves accountable, especially if we’re in a position of power.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  71. ia says:
    @Kirt

    I’m not sure why you commented on my comment other than to tell me you don’t like DC. And I’m not sure what you mean “actually worse than you say.” what’s worse, racism? white nationalism? You already have what?

    You have 4% black population in Corpus Christi. There’s no comparison with DC. If you’re suggesting whites move away from blacks that’s pointless. They’ll follow whites to Mars and beyond.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  72. @Thomm

    Female suffrage was the fatal error that the West made.

    There were plenty of antecedent errors, just as fatal, such as thinking that suffrage means anything, seeking shelter in nationalism, trusting the big money crowd to run the country in ways that the rest of us would see fit, trusting in government to do the right thing from our point of view and by giving it free rein to do what it wants, trusting the military to act responsibly, and making the same errors repeatedly.

    A huge and fatal error has long been the idea that we in the West are something special and that the rest of the world needs what we can impose upon them, and that we prols and peasants would magically benefit from allowing our “leaders” freedom to nose around where we don’t belong.

    Another one is the habit of pointing fingers at other folks and projecting our problems and faults onto them.

    Yeah, Western chicks are far from the ideal, but we got bigger problems than that.

  73. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    White women are attracted to blacks only in the filthy jewish Hollywood movies. I have an adopted niece who slept around with blacks and she is shunned. Not because she slept with blacks, but because she is violent and criminally insane like the blacks she slept around with. Now she has a violent criminal record and a passel of dark-skinned babies. Now no one wants her around and her black babies and her violent black boyfriends, well she made her choice. Imagine a decent civilized white family sitting around a Thanksgiving table with a lot of black murderous gansters. Back in the 1990s, whites were open to accepting the blacks, but the blacks chose Jewish funded violent Marxism – Marxist blacks chose to steal our stuff rather than working their way up the ladder honestly. I was recently banned from a Jewish neocon forum because while I proclaimed my love of pure Mathematics, I showed my disdain for Jewish funded Marxism. These filthy Marxists are determined to portray honest law-abiding whites as ignorants, when in truth we are highly educated and armed to the teeth

  74. Rod1963 says:
    @Joe Walker

    Your hated is selective, that blinds you to the white elites that are in league with them.

    You really think the Jews did this by themselves? The white elites have always despised us and viewed us as sub-humans fit for only labor. This is why the white elites are totally separate from us. Their children have went to exclusive private boarding schools where they are taught differently from the way the proles children are taught. This has been going on for over a 120 years.

    They live in a totally different world than us. They wield the levers of power, we don’t. Long before the Frankfort group came here, the white elites rigged the political system to prevent the little people from having a real voice. This is why every time we send people to D.C. they either shaft us immediately or if they aren’t bought off they find themselves thrown out.

    Look at our education system – it’s two tiered, one for the elites (which is mostly hidden) and the public system which is designed to produce functionally literate docile factory workers. This was all set up by rich and powerful whites over a century ago.

    The MSM has also been a tool of the elite whites ever since the Ludlow Massacre. One of the first thing the Carnegies and Rockefllers did was buy up the newspapers across the country after that to censor the news and feed the public what they wanted. That machine worked fine keeping us in the dark until the advent of the internet.

  75. mark3383 says:
    @anarchyst

    At some level, my students understand the same thing. One day I asked the bored, black faces staring back at me. “What would happen if all the white people in America disappeared tomorrow?”

    “We screwed,” a young, pitch-black boy screamed back. The rest of the blacks laughed.

    http://whitenewsnow.com/american-news-white-america/7480-white-teacher-describes-black-students.html

    • Replies: @Eonic
  76. ia says:
    @jacques sheete

    So you want to destroy western civilization without any thought as to what you’d like instead? And if you hate it so much why not leave? The ex-pat lifestyle can be very appealing, especially if you have a decent cash flow of, say, $1000 per month. You can live very well on that outside the West.

  77. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    I’ve noticed that Thomm is some kind of troll who comes on this site just to sneer at Whites. Is he from Cupertino Ca? Does he live in a 2,000 sq ft house with 30 other Indians? Is he proud of working 90 hours a week for 40 hours pay?

    • Replies: @Thomm
  78. Curiouser says:

    A more important question is: Why has the rise of Brown Supremacy been so spectacularly successful?
    Where did the money to finance the movement come from?
    Who signed the checks?
    Always follow the money.

  79. Thomm says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Accent? Are you retarded?

    At any rate, you WN losers just cant get over the fact that successful white people (like me) are fully aware that you are just moochers who want intra-white socialism. Sheesh, get a job.

    The vast majority of white Americans have no problem with skilled, legal immigration, as ‘The Business of America is Business’. The business of America is not handouts for WNs with Negro IQs. We already give welfare to Negros, so we don’t want to prop up you wiggers in addition to that.

    That WNs have been completely rejected and driven out by respectable whites is the defining characteristic of the WN cult of losers.

    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
  80. @Thomm

    damn, that was just brutal :)

    @article white nationalism chose trump as it’s champion. do unz readers actually expected it to succeed?

  81. @Rod1963

    They live in a totally different world than us. They wield the levers of power, we don’t. Long before the Frankfort group came here, the white elites rigged the political system to prevent the little people from having a real voice. This is why every time we send people to D.C. they either shaft us immediately or if they aren’t bought off they find themselves thrown out.

    agreed….the elite selected academics, writers, activists etc that espoused the ideologies that favored the interests of the elites, ideologies such as multiculturalism, etc…. multiculturalism makes the rich richer, and that is why multiculturalism rose to the top of the ideology heap

  82. Miro23 says:
    @WorkingClass

    I am allied with the Alt Right because, whether they know it or not, they serve the interests of the working class.

    The 99% are just about everybody, all classes and races – and they’re all “working class” if they work . The question is whether they can unite around the founding principles of the US as they did up to the 1950′s and make a multi-ethnic [not multicultural] society around the idea of America First. The basis is traditional Anglo with a Constitution that promotes State power with a minimum at the Federal level.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  83. Thomm says:
    @Alden

    I’ve noticed that Thomm is some kind of troll who comes on this site just to sneer at Whites.

    Wrong again. I come here to PRAISE the top 70% of whites (like myself) who find WNs to be losers.

    What your butthurt comments continue to reveal is that successful whites are SOOOO different from WN wiggers that WNs just don’t get taken in and given handouts by successful whites.

    So someone like me, who praises my fellow whites for successfully keeping our ne’er do wells outside of polite society, is so bothersome for the WN losers.

    In summary :
    i) I praise successful whites, and how we swiftly kick WNs out.
    ii) This is the single greatest sadness for WNs. This is why white women don’t want WNs.
    iii) The WN like Alden in turn attempts to speak for successful whites who just kicked him out yet again.

    Rinse and repeat. White variance is very high, so despite many whites being the very best, the bottom few are incompetitive with any other race. They have Negro IQs and Asian male seductive abilities. The worst of all worlds.

    Heh heh heh heh

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Mark Presco
  84. “Today, the average American middle class and working class household has the same income it did in 1997″

    That’s me. There is no hope, there is no future in the USA. I survive because I realize this is as good as it’s ever going to get and it may never be this good again, be happy with what you got.

    • Replies: @interesting
  85. KenH says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Normal Americans do not talk this way, but Indians working at call centers who identify themselves as “James” do.

    LOL. That’s right, Americans identify that area as the Midwest or Upper Midwest depending on where they live and not “the great lakes area”. That was the tip off that he’s probably lives outside the country.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  86. @interesting

    And the above line of text was the last thing the author said that made any sense…….I stopped reading not long after cause I don’t understand WTF he’s talking about.

  87. Corvinus says:
    @Miro23

    Sounds like you are a Vox Day acolyte. He wrote that specific Europeans, most notably the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, and the Polish, lack the ability to comprehend and put into practice Anglo-Saxon ideals, in particular the Rights Of Englishmen. In essence, “true Americans” are the genetic descendants of the British.

    In this own words…

    “As you probably know, my argument is that the Posterity for whom the Constitution is intended to defend the Blessings of Liberty consists solely of the genetic descendants of the People of the several and United States. Posterity does not include immigrants, descendants of immigrants, invaders, conquerers, tourists, students, Americans born in Portugal, or anyone else who happens to subsequently reside in the same geographic location, or share the same civic ideals, as the original We the People.”

    “Many, if not most, descendants of immigrants are not the Posterity of the then-People of the United States. Neither are people living in Mexico, Germany, Israel, or even Great Britain. The U.S. Constitution was not written for them, nor was it ever intended to secure the Blessings of Liberty for them. The idea that the Constitution was intended to do anything at all for immigrants, resident aliens, or foreigners is as absurd as the idea that its emanations and penumbras provide them with an unalienable right to an abortion. The fact that courts have declared otherwise is totally irrelevant.”

    “The proposition nation is a lie. There is no such thing, there never was any such thing, and there never will be any such thing.”

    So, everyone on this fine blog, if you are unable to trace directly your ancestors to British settlers, YOU MUST GO BACK. Like, immediately.

    Moreover, how will this attitude benefit the Alt-Right in the long run?

  88. Corvinus says:
    @the alt white comics

    So what are personally doing to physically stop the elites from continuing to implement their courses of action?

  89. Thomm says:
    @KenH

    KenH,

    You can’t stop advertising your stupidity, can you? Typical WN wigger.

    I said ‘Great Lakes Metro’ on the other thread. That can mean Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, etc. Detroit and Cleveland are on the Great Lakes. Cincinnati and Indianapolis are not.

    Add Geography to the list of things these WN wiggeretards don’t know even about their own country.

    But what really gets the WN wiggers is that we successful whites have rejected them, even though these WN frauds claim to speak for successful whites.

    A WN claiming to have anything to do with successful whites is like a pygmy from the Congo taking credit for the athletic skills of Usain Bolt or Michael Jordan.

    *That* is why WNs are so butthurt (and why white women reject them, as they should).

    Heh heh heh heh

    • Replies: @KenH
  90. Thomm says:
    @Corvinus

    So what are personally doing to physically stop the elites from continuing to implement their courses of action?

    They do nothing. They are impotent, as the original article says.

    All they do is worship white women (who want nothing to do with them). WN is a goddess cult.

  91. Thomm says:
    @Corvinus

    So, everyone on this fine blog, if you are unable to trace directly your ancestors to British settlers, YOU MUST GO BACK. Like, immediately.

    Moreover, how will this attitude benefit the Alt-Right in the long run?

    Heh. About a third of the Americans with traceable British ancestors are black.

    So according to this, they want an America that is two-third English, one-third black. Just 120 million people, but one-third black.

    WNs are such innumerates.

  92. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    SMDH. You must be one of those upper caste Indians who considers himself an honorary white even though you have dark skin.

    Or, more likely, you are just the dreaded Indian Troll here to infect this comment section with low quality posts.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  93. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    And your just a Hindu National that needs to rape women to get laid.

  94. anarchyst says:
    @AndrewR

    refute my statement. Problem is, YOU CAN’T…YOU are one who needs to “get a life”…name-calling exposes you as a small-minded individual that should get out of your mom’s basement…

  95. @Corvinus

    Sounds like a plan. Even though he is wrong about much, Day is right about this.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  96. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    In other words, this Indian troll who is pretending to be white wants to praise the white people who keep letting more pajeets into America.

    And he wants to slandarize the whites who don’t want to keep importing more Indians and says those people are white niggers and are omega males lol.

    This poster is the most Indian Indian there is.

    At least with Jews, you can expect their lies to be backed up with a certain sofistication. But with only an average iq of 82 we have to sit through Indian trolls who are so obviously playing games.

    Keep in mind that Indians are allied with the coastal elite and is the most SJW country in existence.

    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
  97. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    lol pajeet. No one says they are from the Great Lakes region. You need to up your troll game.

    Since India has such a low iq of 82, do you support India importing higher iq people from other countries to stimulate your economy?

    Maybe you wouldn’t support this since white people are literally treated like gods in India. Especially from your women.

    https://qz.com/951652/i-almost-feel-like-a-god-from-dating-to-business-white-men-are-winning-in-india/

  98. @jacques sheete

    I judge a civilization by the justice it adheres to. By that standard, we are still in the Stone Age if that.

    We agree there. Your earlier post was confusing, and my reply wasn’t clear. Even?

  99. As counsel for the defense in the court of public opinion of both the

    “goddess cult, that is entirely pre-occupied with worshipping white women”

    and

    “filthy Irish Catholics”

    I hereby submit this image as exhibit A:

    grace

  100. White nationalism will never succeed as long as white people who subscribe to victim culture are allowed to influence government through voting.

    Most white people do in fact subscribe to victim culture.

    Victim culture subscribing white people demand preferential government entitlements in the same way as other ethnic groups of diversity.

    Victim culture subscribing white people comprise over 80% of all white people, and as such dominate whatever influence white people might have on public elections.

    A short listing of victim culture subscribing white people that typically demand preferential group entitlements by law:

    [MORE]

    White Feminist
    White Queers (including heterosexual Queers)
    White Jewish
    White Disabled
    White Military Veterans
    White Zionist
    White Muslim
    White Crony Capitalist
    White Hispanics
    White International Socialist

    For example, White Crony Capitalist benefit from these current government diversity policies:

    1. White owned businesses that hire and promote victim class people in exchange for preferential access to government contracts, tax breaks and credits, business licenses, bailouts, and sweetheart loans and grants.

    2. White owned businesses that receive freedom from government lawsuits, litigation threats, and Justice Department consent agreements if they enforce victim class hiring and promotion and propaganda.

    3. White owned businesses granted a monopoly status by the federal government in exchange for supporting diversity corruption, e.g. Federal Reserve System, FCC broadcast licensees, MIC corporations, etc.

  101. Corvinus says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Are you able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that on both sides you can trace your lineage directly to the English?

    Furthermore, why don’t you actually go on VD’s website and tell him that he is “wrong about much”.

  102. @Corvinus

    What am I doing about all this? Well, perhaps if you had clicked the link to my youtube channel, you could have answered your own question.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  103. ‘American’ used to mean European-American. Even into the 80s, if anyone said ‘American’, it usually meant White American, followed by Black American. OTHER Americans were expected to assimilate and be part of the established nation.

    But now ‘American’ means ‘immigrants’ and ‘diversity’. It’s like US must assimilate into the World than fortunate members of the world come to America to assimilate into the European-American model.

    So, at this point, it might be a good thing to dismiss the notion of ‘American’ altogether. What does it mean when the notion of ‘America is a nation of immigrants’ now implies that people-yet-to-arrive are More American than settled Americans. Also, this ‘immigrant’ identity is fluid. Even though most Jews in America are not immigrants but descendants of past immigrants, their identity still clings to immigrant-ism because of Ellis Island mythology. Because these Jews arrived AFTER the US was founded, conquered, and settled, they came as bona-fide immigrants in contrast to Anglos who arrived as founders and settlers. So, they continue to peg their identity to ‘immigrant’-ism. (Jews are outliers among the many immigrants. Even though many gentiles found opportunities and even great success in America, they never lost love for their homeland. Irish-Americans looked back to Ireland, Polish-Americans to Poland, Italian-Americans to Italy. And they even felt a bit of guilt that they’d left their own homelands for material success and individual freedom in America. In contrast, Jews were happy to get away from the Old World. To be sure, some of the more cultured Jews never lost their love for European Civilization, but they could not look back to it as their homeland. It was the idea of high civilization that enthralled them. Generally, Jews from Western Europe were less bitter since it was more tolerant of Jews. In contrast, Jews from Eastern Europe came with heavy chip on their shoulders and were totally glad to be away from the ‘dumb Polacks’ and ‘barbarian Russians’. Their talent and drive found more luck and opportunity in Anglo-America where the individual counted more than the group. Individualism was about rule-of-law, whereas tribalism was about rule-of-blood. It’s no wonder Italian-Americans were so problematic in the US. As their culture of crime was so blood-and-clan-based, it ran against the Anglo-model of law and order. Jews were like Anglo-Italians. They had an individualistic streak and thrived in the greater freedom of America. But they also had a powerful sense of tribal identity and were not above working as a team to gain power and advantages. Indeed, Jewish attack on Wasp ‘old-boys-network’ was more opportunistic than idealistic. It was to weaken the last remaining vestiges of solidarity among Wasps so as to replace Wasp power with Jewish power that still acted in tribal solidarity. In some ways, Jews were the most grateful immigrant-Americans, in some ways the most bitter and resentful. They were grateful because in the more ethnically defined and rooted European nations, the Jew had stuck out more and been seen as the perennial outsider. In some nations, Jews were mostly tolerated, but in some Eastern European nations and even in France, anti-Jewishness was quite open, not least because Jews outperformed the local ‘dumb polacks’, ‘drunken russkies’, and ‘arrogant French’ who were miffed at the notion that Jews could outsmart French, supposedly the most cultured people on Earth. So, when Jews came to the US, they appreciated the fact that it was easier to melt in and lose themselves, or at least seem to. Also, even if ethnic enclaves were a big part of American life up to the 70s, the fact is all immigrants were in the same boat in America. While a Pole in Poland could lay greater claim to Poland than a Polish Jew could and a Hungarian in Hungary could lay greater claim to Hungary than a Hungarian Jew could, all immigrants were the same in the US. None could lay greater claim to America. Immigration was the great equalizer that forced all immigrants to start from scratch. NY or Chicago belonged no more to a Polish-American or Irish-American than to a Jewish-American. So, Jews loved America in that sense. But in some ways, Jews, especially from Eastern Europe, felt a lot of anger toward wasps. In poor and backward Eastern Europe, vulgar Jews were among vulgar Polish boors and drunken Russians. So, despite ethnic hostilities, they were all a bunch of vulgar pickled-herring munching loons. In contrast, Anglos were into order and manners, and the grubby Jews stuck out. Even as the grubby Jew wanted to get away from grubby Russians, he felt a certain affinity for earthy Slavic types as he came to be looked down by Wasps at country clubs with lily white skin, blonde hair, and clean-cut manners.)

    Because ‘American’ has become so generic and anti-white in meaning, it has no value left. So, it might be better to just see whites as ‘Europeans’ and blacks as ‘Africans’ and Asians as ‘Asians’ and do away with -American altogether. Europeans-in-America, Africans-in-America, etc.
    But even this is problematic as European Identity itself now has been ‘Americanized’.
    Margaret Thatcher once said US is about philosophy, Europe is about history, i.e. US was founded on an idea whereas Europe has deep cultural and ancestral roots.
    But now, PC and globalism(and amnesiac pop culture that promotes homomania and Afromania) have elevated ideology over history in Europe as well. The creation of EU played a part in this. In order to create a unified European identity, ethnic identity of each European people had to be weakened and diluted. EU identity had to be the European version of Americanism. Now, if this new broader identity had only included Europeans, it might have been okay. But as UK, France, Sweden, Germany, and Holland decided to take in non-Europeans and call them ‘New Europeans’, European identity could no longer be white. It had to be any ‘European’, meaning Africans, Asians, Muslims, and Hindus were newly ‘naturalized’(actually ‘artificialized’ would be more accurate; after all, a real German is naturally German whereas a non-German who is ‘naturalized’ as German has nothing naturally German about him or her. He or she is an Artificial German.) So, ‘European Values’ went from the culture and ideas of a race and culture to an ideology of defining Europeans by attitudes, ideas, and dogma. As PC, Diversity, and Homomania came to dominate the Official Ideology, ‘Western Values’ came to be all about censoring noble race-ist patriotism, promoting ACOWW(or Afro-Colonization of White Wombs by black men deemed to be superior due to domination of sports and rap music), and Queertianity as the new faith.

    So, globalism first attacked the racial character of American-ness.. and then it even attacked the racial character of European-ness. So, whites cannot lay claim to American-ness, Canadian-ness, Austrlian-ness, and not even to European-ness even though Europeans have been white folks for 10,000s of yrs.

    This is why ‘European’-ness must be reclaimed and preserved. If PC totally wins in Europe, the cradle of white race, it will mean Africans, Arabs, Asians, and HIndus will have the moral right to claim European-ness just as much as white people can.
    Globalists are doing this to destroy white identity at the source. It is even turning the cradle of the white race into the crib of Negroes, Asians, Muslims, and Hindus.

    All white folks must fight this battle at two levels.
    Ethno-national level and pan-European-level. At the ethno-national level, Hungarians must preserve Hungary, Poles must preserve Poland, and etc. At the pan-European level, ALL white folks in US, Latin America, Canada, EU, Russia, and etc must all work in coordination and solidarity against the forces of globalism. Against Soros and his minions, against homomania that says homo fecal penetration is worth praise, and against ACOWW, the biggest threat to the white race as it conquers white wombs, the very source of white life.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  104. Thomm says:
    @James Richard

    Thanks for proving that WN is a goddess cult.

    Posting the image of a pretty girl does not mean :

    1) She is representative of the average. Remember, trigglypuff and Lena Dunham are also white.
    2) She is a WN. Most likely, any such woman today is a staunch Hillary voter (as all female celebs are).
    3) She would ever date a WN. Rather, pickup artist websites have taught thousands of black and brown men how to land the pretty white girls.

    WN is a goddess cult, plain and simple.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  105. Thomm says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    to his filthy Irish Catholic Cockroach brother JFK…

    So Irish are not white?

    At least you are consistent with what America believed in 1899. See here :

    The Irish were considered ‘white Africans’ just 118 years ago. The definition of white hence keeps changing. In California, there is already a huge push to reclassify Asians as white.

  106. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    Remember, trigglypuff and Lena Dunham are also white.

    Nope. They’re both Jews.

    In California, there is already a huge push to reclassify Asians as white.

    Really? A huge push? Surely you have a link to this, right?

    • Replies: @Thomm
  107. anon • Disclaimer says:

    One feature of white nationalism 2.0 is that it will actually be whitish nationalism. With 40% of US born Hispanics marrying or producing children with Anglos, by the end of this century Hispanics will be completely mixed with Anglos. That’s going to be the new white identity and white nationalism will have to learn to live with it (over the course of 3 generations this doesn’t seem hard at all but I sense white nationalists now don’t want to even contemplate this).

  108. Mark Presco says: • Website
    @Thomm

    Wrong again. I come here to PRAISE the top 70% of whites (like myself) who find WNs to be losers.

    How many of these wonderful whites that you tout live in lily white neighborhoods? Do you live in a community that is minority white? Does the term “white flight” mean anything to you?

    You are a closet white nationalist if you commute longer than necessary and/or pay higher housing costs than you would living in a minority white community.

    The main difference between the two groups is that white nationalists are honest about it. If you are what you say you are, your ilk are dishonest, hypocritical, virtue signaling, braying jackasses that deserve what’s coming to you: becoming minorities in a third world county.

  109. Marty T says:
    @Joe Walker

    Our enemy is white liberals, and that includes some but not all Jews. Countries with almost no Jews are dealing with the same invasions as we are. The obsession with Jews (by some) holds the alt-right back.

  110. person says:
    @Saxon

    Political correctness will blow over just like it did in the past. I did a search on Twitter to see the reactions to this recent piece: http://nationalpost.com/g00/news/world/jonathan-kay-on-the-tyranny-of-twitter-how-mob-censure-is-changing-the-intellectual-landscape/wcm/c94cb9be-3eef-4982-9e65-7f4e934c2afb The vast majority of the people reacting agreed with the author. People are getting sick of political correctness. That’s where the political momentum is, not with white nationalism. /r/the_donald is one of the biggest subreddits and they ban racism and anti-semitism. There’s a huge population of people who hate SJWs but are unreceptive to white nationalism. That’s where Trump gets most of his support.

    What determines whether the right wins vs whether the left wins is who does the best job of catering to the middle. http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/07/10/change-minds-or-drive-turnout/

    • Replies: @Saxon
  111. Marty T says:
    @Thomm

    Got any evidence for that, Sanjay? I’m a bit suspicious that a white male such as yourself would be so supportive of white women betraying their people.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  112. @Anonymous

    And go with Jared Taylor’s beautifully simple idea – decriminalizing restrictive covenants. With genuine competition, all of these seemingly daunting and potentially fatal quarrels, like whether Jews should be considered white, become self-resolving. In one neighborhood, they may be considered white, in another, not.

    Loosening restrictive covenants and perhaps fighting for increased state’s rights on matters that have traditionally been the states’ exclusive domain would create hundreds or thousands of different models that people could choose from. That’s real freedom of choice. Once you allow for local autonomy, you’ll naturally end up with profoundly different arrangements, not the government-imposed uniformity that prevails now.

    If you can get that far, the rest can likely be worked out satisfactorily.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @JackOH
  113. Thomm says:
    @anonymous

    Really? A huge push? Surely you have a link to this, right?

    http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/asian.htm

    Come on, it is California. They need to hide Asian success so that they can continue to complain about ‘whites oppressing non-whites’.

    All the whining about the tech industry ‘not having minorities’ needs to hide Chinese and Indian success, since Asians are actually overrepresented in tech, while whiles are indeed underrepresented.

    ALL whining about ‘not enough minorities in tech’ necessarily hides Asians and puts them into ‘white’.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  114. Thomm says:
    @Marty T

    MartyT,

    White women are not betraying the better white men. They are more loyal than ever.

    Instead, white women are actively purging the dregs known as ‘white nationalists’, who are extreme underachievers who should never be bundled in with us successful whites.

    White women, when given cultural freedom, are doing their part to filter out the crap. If this means going for black or brown men over a WN loser, so be it.

    Successful white men > Brown or Black man > White Nationalists

    No wonder you want to force women to marry WNs, and they resist so vehemently.

    Got it, FartyT? The key to eradicating WN pollution from the white race is to make sure WNs are cut off from access to white women, and white women are doing a great job of this. It is long overdue.

    Now, women having the right to vote is a bad thing for other reasons, but at least women are doing a good thing by purging WNs.

  115. Thomm says:
    @anon

    With 40% of US born Hispanics marrying or producing children with Anglos, by the end of this century Hispanics will be completely mixed with Anglos. That’s going to be the new white identity and white nationalism will have to learn to live with it

    You are, of course, correct.

    2nd gen Asians and Hispanics intermarry with whites to a huge degree. This is accelerating. Anyway, since the US keeps expanding the definition of white, people won’t notice the change (remember when Italians, Jews, and Poles were not considered ‘white’?).

    Overall, the US will be, as you say, ‘black’ and ‘non-black’. That is the real division of the future.

  116. Miro23 says:
    @Corvinus

    Sounds like you are a Vox Day acolyte. He wrote that specific Europeans, most notably the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, and the Polish, lack the ability to comprehend and put into practice Anglo-Saxon ideals, in particular the Rights Of Englishmen. In essence, “true Americans” are the genetic descendants of the British.

    That’s not at all what I said. Read it again:

    The question is whether they (99% of Americans of all races and classes) can unite around the founding principles of the US as they did up to the 1950′s and make a multi-ethnic [not multicultural] society around the idea of America First. The basis is traditional Anglo with a Constitution that promotes State power with a minimum at the Federal level.

    Germans, Irish, Italians, Poles and Blacks can make fine Americans if they have the commitment. Anglos are not a t war with them – they’re partners in the same project which for historical reasons is an Anglo design in a county that speaks English.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  117. We have to keep in mind that not all power is political or related to what usually characterize as ‘politics’.

    There is also sensotics, or power shaped by sensory factors.

    And this is where whites are most vulnerable in relation to blacks.

    Suppose all people stop being political. Blacks stopped with BLM nuttiness and just wanna be ‘good Americans’. Suppose Jews stopped being ideological, Hindus and Asians just wanna get along, and etc. Suppose there is no more PC and no more anti-white virulence in education.

    Suppose Democrats and Republicans agree on EVERYTHING but tax rates.

    So, would things be okay for whites?

    No, because even if Jews were not politically minded, they would still be more intelligent and gain control of many vice and entertainment industries.
    And these Jewish elites would favor homos and blacks just the same because homos are creative and because blacks are expressive. Also, blacks are more athletic in sports. Therefore, Homos and blacks will continue to have outsized influence on society, culture, and values.

    [MORE]

    So, Jews would still control pop culture and disseminate a lot of black music. And this would get white women all excited about Negroes. Also, Jews, as controllers of sex entertainment industry, would promote black sexuality with BAF(Big Ass Factor) and BDF(Biggus Dickus Factor). Much of pop music would be about black booties twerking and black dongs swinging.

    Look at sports. For the most part, it wasn’t political, but its effect was devastating on the white race. Why? Sports, along with music, is related to sex. We evolved from hunter-warriors, and the stronger guy got the most women. Also, evolutionary science says women are attracted to musical men. Since blacks pack more muscle and have funky music rhythm(as well as BDF), they are going to excite more women. And women only care about Tribe when it wins. Women are not mainly loyal to her tribe but to the winning tribe, even if it’s that of the enemy.

    It’s like how female elks act. They will belong to one male. But if that male loses to another male, the females don’t follow the loser male who was once their master. They just go and mate with new boss.
    Or consider lionesses. They will seem very loyal to the lion of the pride. But if a new lion comes along and beats the lion, the lionesses will not follow the loser lion but go with the new lion…even if the new lion kills all the cubs the lionesses had with the loser lion. (When a Negro takes a white woman, he is effectively killing white kids because he is replacing white-kids-that-could-have-been with mulatto kids. WKTCHB will have been afroborted. Imagine if Brad Griffin’s mother had gone with a Negro. Brad would have been afroborted in his mother’s womb that would have been used to create a mulatto for a black man.)

    When black boxers whupped all those white boys, white women didn’t stick with white men. They lined up to have sex and even kids with the very blacks who knocked white guys out. Even in ‘racist’ America long ago, rich white women had sex with Jack Johnson who kicked so many white butts. One of the great sexual rituals in the US is tons of white women lining up to have sex with high school black athletes, college black athletes, professional black athletes, and all those rappers. And even loser-blacks get white women because the aura of black dominance rubs off on them. Some white women see ANY Negro and thinks ‘shaft’!

    And Elvis was like a cuck-pimp of blacks. Black musicality turned on white women long ago, and white women secretly wanted to have sex with Negroes. But America was ‘racist’ back then and mostly looked down on such things. So, a white surrogate had to be used to build a penis-bridge between black men and white women. Elvis acted like a ‘white ni**er’, and white girls got all wet between the legs screaming at him. Whites were alarmed but then… accepted him because he was a white guy. But he was the unwitting conveyor of jungle fever. It’s no wonder Elvis was a much conflicted man. He made his fortune by imitating blacks, but he feared how what he did would lead to Negroes humping Priscilla Presley. So, he shot the TV set with a gun every time he saw a Negro. Elvis was Cuck and KKK rolled into one, or CucKKK.

    Anyway, fast forward to today, and we now live in a world where white girls grow up to rap music, mandingo tropes all over TV, commercials, and Hollywood. And mainstream culture even in prime time has been pornified. And today, a little child has more access to porn than adult men in raincoats did in the 1970s. And girls magazines and fashion mags prominently feature white fashion models having mulatto kids with black men.

    So, it is wrong to focus only on politics. Even if US were entirely apolitical, the fact is racial differences are real. Just as white men have advantage over Asian men in sexual sphere, black men have advantage over white men. It is due to biological differences.

    And in acts of racial violence in schools, streets, and etc, blacks will routinely beat up whites since blacks are more muscular and more aggressive REGARDLESS OF POLITICS.

    Even without politics, we respond to reality with our senses, and different races have different sensotic power. Blacks, being louder and wilder, have more dynamic power in sensotics. This can be ugly, vile, and destructive but it can also be exciting, powerful, and seductive.

    It’s not just a battle of ideas. It is a battle of the senses, and whites face real danger from black sensotic power.

    This is why Pan-Europeans must say white race needs separation from blacks on the basis of white inferiority in muscle and manhood. After all, a race is only healthy when it can feel healthy manhood. It is when men can feel like men that they feel happy and confident. And then, the women will respect them and marry them. And they will have kids. White men in a white world can have manhood.

    But when whites are with blacks, white manhood is threatened or cucked by presence of blacks who have more muscle and bigger voices. Also, there is BDF that white women are now crazy about. So, white men can only be dweeby cucks, and that is damaging to white male psychology. And then, it will hurt white female psychology too since white women will no longer respect white men. White women will then go for ACOWW or Afro-Colonization of White Wombs, and then, their kids will grow up to be ghastly mulattoes without fathers as black guys idea of relationship is to hump and colonize as many wombs as possible.

    Now, sensotics isn’t political in the classic sense, but as it affects the balance of power among th races, it too is ultimately political. Racial-sexual is political.

  118. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    To anon and Thomm, 2 Indian Nationals, I would ask how you feel about your caste system breaking down.

    The barbarism cannot last forever.

    Eventually the dalits who make up the majority of the population will either intermix with the other classes or just out breed the other classes.

    This will lead to the dilution of the higher iq Brahmin class and mean that India over time will just be a country with an IQ slightly over 82. Otherwise I see India breaking up into a lot of different pieces as it will have to decide on being a cohesive country without the caste system or being split up in a lot of different pieces.

  119. The big divide I see among Anglo white nationalists is between hard core traditionalists and liberal moderates.

    The traditionalists are staunchly Christian, anti-Jewish, anti-gay, and strongly anti-feminist (for example, they are unwilling to have female leaders, despite the obvious PR benefits). They are often interested survivalism and self-sufficiency, and are keen to develop white-only communities on a localised scale.

    The relatively liberal whites are less Jew obsessed, white majoritarian, often pagan or atheist, and accepting of women and homosexuals in influential roles (basically they accept anyone who is pro-white, even some non-whites).

    If WNs want to break out of their current ghetto, then the two groups should split in two. The traditionalists may have some localised successes while the liberal WNs are more likely to win converts from the libertarian/populist alliance that is becoming increasingly influential among millennials (note their are already some young right libertarians like Lauren Southern who appear on Fox News while networking with WNs)

  120. K says:
    @Thomm

    What is wrong in worshiping women if they like them?

    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
  121. K says:

    ”Much more politically feasible would be to push for a Canada style immigration policy where only high IQ foreign nationals are allowed to immigrate. That gets you most of the benefits of white nationalism anyway.”

    This is a good idea IMO.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  122. K says:
    @Saxon

    The families and kids of High IQ immigrants are usually high IQ too.

    • Replies: @Saxon
  123. K says:

    ”That is right. Female suffrage was the fatal error that the West made.”

    I disagree.

  124. @Rod1963

    Rod1963 wrote:

    Look at our education system – it’s two tiered, one for the elites (which is mostly hidden) and the public system which is designed to produce functionally literate docile factory workers.

    One of my brothers went to Harvard, the other to Stanford (I also did my Ph.D. at Stanford).

    Uh, just no. The “elite” education system is not really very good at all. My brothers could have gotten a better education if they had spent the four years in a good central public library in a medium-sized city.

    • Replies: @Anon
  125. K says:

    Thomm,

    Stop with the personal attacks. Disagree but dont disrespect.

  126. Pandadude says:
    @Thomm

    Every far-left push has a white person behind it.. So this is ultimately a civil war within whites.

    The instigators are JEWS, not whites. The white supporters are simply useful idiots who have been brainwashed.

    • Replies: @the alt white comics
  127. JackOH says:
    @Negrolphin Pool

    Excellent comment, NP, which, I think, points to the unobjectionableness of what many of us are talking about here.

    “Decriminalizing restrictive covenants” sounds to me like the restoration of a free right to contract, enlarging the individual citizen’s moral ambit. Who doesn’t want real empowerment?

    Griffin is dead right that the true costs of “diversity” or “civil rights” hadn’t been “baked” a half-century ago. Well, I think those costs are known and calculable by now, after fifty years of legislatively mandated, federally enforced anti-White racism. We’ve got a Zeitgeist that has White folks demoralized by being wrongly painted presumptively and collectively guilty of bad acts against Black folks, and, by gosh, humongous extraordinary real-money costs borne by White folks who have tried to escape the worst consequences of forced association schemes.

    I think Griffin does a good job, too, if I’m reading him correctly, of conceding that a lot of White folks did regard some Black folks as having genuine, identifiable grievances that were race-based. The shoe’s on the other foot now, though.

    I’m not on board with the White nationalism label. Reification fallacy, too much rhetorical chaff. But much of what Griffin says here seems okay to me.

    • Agree: James Richard
  128. @James Richard

    As someone who stood next to Caroline Kennedy in a bookstore…Book Review…I can tell you that she is uglier than sin.

    All the Kennedy Women are fucking ugly….

    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
  129. KenH says:
    @Thomm

    I said ‘Great Lakes Metro’ on the other thread. That can mean Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, etc. Detroit and Cleveland are on the Great Lakes. Cincinnati and Indianapolis are not.

    You’re just a dolt who doesn’t know how to describe different regions of the U.S. Several states of the the upper Midwest borders four of the five great lakes. Many upper Midwesterners use “Midwest” and “upper Midwest” interchangeably, a fact you won’t learn from your nifty atlas.

    Residents of the UM or even Buffalo to the east don’t say they’re from “the great lakes area” any more than residents of Houston, TX or Mobile, AL say they’re from the Gulf of Mexico area. That’s just idiotic and you obviously are. But keep having fun with your pocket atlas.

    But what really gets the WN wiggers is that we successful whites have rejected them,

    Wow, so when did the “The National Council of Successful Whites” have their annual meeting and when did they make a motion to reject white nationalism and embrace skilled Hindu immigration? Was it broadcast on CSPAN? Are you the national spokesman and press agent?

    If you’re a white male from the great lakes area than I am an Indian from the Ganges river area.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @Anonymous
  130. Corvinus says:
    @the alt white comics

    “What am I doing about all this? Well, perhaps if you had clicked the link to my youtube channel, you could have answered your own question.”

    All you are doing is propaganda. When I stated “physically”, I meant taking your message to the streets and stopping the elitists in their tracks. See, your ideas are already out there on the web for audience consumption. The next step is direct courses of action, not behind a video screen, but on the front lines. What say you?

    • Replies: @alt white comics
  131. @Corvinus

    All you are doing is propaganda.

    propagaganda is everything…the current situation is a result of propaganda…elite propaganda…in order to win we must stop/impair elite propaganda and counter with our own propaganda….you must want to note my moniker…it is relevant to this “discussion.”

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  132. @Pandadude

    The instigators are JEWS, not whites. The white supporters are simply useful idiots who have been brainwashed.

    it’s da jooos!! Dey brainwashing erryone!! The white elite, they dindu NUFFIN!

  133. @Anonymous

    What is Pajeet, dumbshit? And, there are 15 million Jews compared to the almost 1500 million Indians… don’t compare apples to oranges!

  134. @Anonymous

    Talk about low quality posts… do you know the difference between ‘your’ and ‘you are’? You are an idiot, while your posts are mediocre… get it?

  135. @Anonymous

    Better than being a pederast like you, no?

  136. Saxon says:
    @K

    And they’re still usually anti-white bloc voters who want to bring in more of their own people and agitate against the white population’s interests. Weird stuff, friendo. Strange how that works, just like in nature how two different subspecies cannot cohabitate without conflict.

    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
  137. Saxon says:
    @person

    Catering to the middle is acquiescence to your own genocide if you are of European ancestry. I don’t care what the leftoid who writes that blog has to say. The goal is to make people receptive to white nationalism style politics because there is no future for white people period otherwise, as we will end up under the boot of racial aliens who will not be kind to us and are already viciously radicalized against us.

  138. @Corvinus

    Either all whites — broadly construed — stand together, or we will hang separately, as the founding fathers said. Defining your “white” allies so narrowly will ensure that we are all eliminated or more thoroughly subjugated (even enslaved, if black “americans” or Muslims have anything to say about it).

    For your children and grandchildren to have any chance at a safe peaceful civilized life, you will need all of us terrible Italian, Irish, French, Scandinavian, Greek, Balkan, and Slavic Americans.

    Take a look at evidence abi how closely related ALL Europeans are to each other genetically, ands another reason to reconsider your conception of who is white, who can preserve or restore our civilization, and who is our extended family.

    By the way, my genetic test reports five percent British, which that company defines as English, Scottish, or Welshman. Do I count as white and European, oh arbiter of all things white? Does my ten percent Scandinavian out me over the top, or my blue eyes?

    Wake up and get close to all of us so we can survive and thrive and fight back together.

    Lastly, we can be sure that the mestizo Mexicans, Latin Americans, Muslims, Africans, Indians, Chinese, etc., who are taking over our country, consider every one of us white and will continue discriminating against, mooching off of, deriding, harming, and undermining all of us. The British versus other European white distinction is meaningless to them as well as us. Let’s get together before it is too late.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Hugo
  139. @Anonymous

    Click IGNORE COMMENTER on Rajiv here. I did.

    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
  140. @K

    I used to think so, too, but look at Canada’s demographics and culture: rapidly changing for the worse, specifically becoming heavily Chinese in BC and to some extent Alberta, Muslim and Indians and every other damn thing in Toronto and to some extent Ottawa and Montreal.

    So obviously their immigration system isn’t working for their native white population either.

  141. @War for Blair Mountain

    Whatever happened to the notion that beauty is in the eye of the beholder? I would like to see your fugly mug to be able to say, there goes the war for Blair mountain, isn’t he a repulsive son of a gun…

  142. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    It’s a little sensationalistic, as I thought you were talking about some wider phenomenon. Yeah, I’m aware of how the identity politics game plays out in Cali. Racial identification conveniently changes in order to suit the needs of whichever narrative is the most important at any given moment. Nothing new really.

  143. @Saxon

    While it is certainly true that animals don’t live in harmony when there is competition for food but of course, I would think that as a human being you’ve the ability to rise above the base instincts of say, lions, panthers and cheetahs… even pagans know that, let alone a god fearing Christian!

    • Replies: @Saxon
  144. @K

    Methinks, it’s an excellent idea… if it was left to women to run the world, humanity would be in much better shape than what the patriarchy has delivered.

    • Replies: @Avery
  145. Saxon says:
    @Pachyderm Pachyderma

    Show me a single point in history where this has actually occurred. Don’t try to say it’s happening now because it’s not. We live cheek by jowl by people who detest us only perforce of government guns pointed at us if we refuse. It’s not a coincidence that school integration for example had to be forced at gunpoint in America, with soldiers with rifles and bayonets.

    Just because you’re “rising above nature” in this case doesn’t necessarily make it good for you. In this case it leads to racial mongrelization and destruction. Where is the plus? None for us that I can see.

  146. Thomm says:
    @KenH

    You are ridiculously ignorant about America. People who grew up near Lake Michigan will say that they ‘grew up near Lake Michigan’.

    Plus, you remind me of an old saying : “When a wise man points to the stars, an imbecile criticizes the finger.”. You are the imbecile.

    At any rate, successful white people like me recognize that WNs are nothing but parasites who want to mooch off of successful whites. You are butthurt because successful whites keep ejecting you from polite society, and white women are rejecting you.

    WNs are the dregs of the white race, and the unusually high variance in white talent is why WNs are even dumber than blacks.

    Got it, muchacho?

  147. Corvinus says:
    @Miro23

    “The question is whether they (99% of Americans of all races and classes) can unite around the founding principles of the US as they did up to the 1950′s…”

    Nostalgia has a funny way of making people wear rose colored glasses.

    “and make a multi-ethnic [not multicultural] society around the idea of America First.”

    Depends on how one defines “America First”.

    “Germans, Irish, Italians, Poles and Blacks can make fine Americans if they have the commitment.”

    ANYONE can make fine Americans, and it is more than just “commitment”

    “Anglos are not a t war with them – they’re partners in the same project which for historical reasons is an Anglo design in a county that speaks English.”

    See, most white Americans do not refer to themselves as “Anglos”, or even know who is this group and what they are about.

  148. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “Either all whites — broadly construed — stand together, or we will hang separately, as the founding fathers said.”

    For the love of God, whites will make their own racial decisions. “All” whites need not be on the same page in this regard.

    “Defining your “white” allies so narrowly will ensure that we are all eliminated or more thoroughly subjugated (even enslaved, if black “americans” or Muslims have anything to say about it).”

    Tell that to Vox Day.

    “For your children and grandchildren to have any chance at a safe peaceful civilized life, you will need all of us terrible Italian, Irish, French, Scandinavian, Greek, Balkan, and Slavic Americans.”

    America has a civilized life, although at times other than safe and other than peaceful. But that is par for the course with any society.

    “Take a look at evidence abi how closely related ALL Europeans are to each other genetically…”

    Actually, ALL Europeans and non-Europeans are closely related genetically. It’s just that Europeans generally look at themselves as separate ethnic groups.

    “Ands another reason to reconsider your conception of who is white, who can preserve or restore our civilization, and who is our extended family.”

    The conception of white boils down to “good whites” versus “bad whites”. Furthermore, when you talk about civilization, most Americans refer to it as American, rather than Western.

    “By the way, my genetic test reports five percent British, which that company defines as English, Scottish, or Welshman. Do I count as white and European, oh arbiter of all things white? Does my ten percent Scandinavian out me over the top, or my blue eyes?”

    According to Vox Day, you have to go back.

    “Wake up and get close to all of us so we can survive and thrive and fight back together.”

    Thank you very much for your opinion.

    “Lastly, we can be sure that the mestizo Mexicans, Latin Americans, Muslims, Africans, Indians, Chinese, etc., who are taking over our country, consider every one of us white and will continue discriminating against, mooching off of, deriding, harming, and undermining all of us.”

    That is a Fake News Story.

    “The British versus other European white distinction is meaningless to them as well as us. Let’s get together before it is too late.”

    It is other than meaningless to leaders of the Alt Right.

  149. Saxon says:
    @Thomm

    Your entire country is a country of dregs and you fled it to live in a country largely built by the white proles you slag off. Even the white proles are your better.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  150. @Priss Factor

    “Italian” immigrants as a whole were in no way “problematic.” Mafia constituted a tiny, tiny percentage of the massive Italian immigration to the USA and Canada.

    And you are presumably aware that the mafia was quintessentially Sicilian, not “Italian.” There was and still is a noticeable, measurable difference in the genetic makeup and culture of Sicily versus mainland Italy. Sicilians have, on average, much higher Arab and African genetic contribution. People from mainland Italy, even the South, have quite low proportion of Arab and North African genes and typically zero subsaharan African.

    Thank God for our Italian immigrants. Wish that’s still who was flooding in, as opposed to who we are getting.

  151. @Thomm

    I find the critique very interesting. I am familiar with a number of alt-right/white nationalist web sights and the fuzziest area seems to be economics. I think saying that they want intra-white socialism is giving them too much credit. The more philosopher writers for such blogs have a Distributist sympathy, but most are still concentrated on other issues. Economics does not seem to be a burning issue for most.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  152. You say…

    “Thank God for our Italian immigrants.”

    It reminded me of that fictional, derrier kissing, venal senator who extols virtues of Italian-Americans even as he is leaving the senate hearings on illicit activities of mafia families, in the hope it would benefit Don Miguel Corleone, whose got the goods on him…

  153. Thomm says:
    @Saxon

    Again, my country is American, you retard. We have succeeded despite WN wiggers like you (blacks are your direct competitors for the largesse of successful whites).

    WNs are to successful whites (like me) what Fredo is to Michael. Actually, that is too harsh to Fredo…

    Heh heh heh heh

    • Replies: @Saxon
  154. Avery says:
    @Pachyderm Pachyderma

    { if it was left to women to run the world, humanity would be in much better shape than what the patriarchy has delivered.}

    “If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts.”
    Camille Paglia. (…a well known feminist. happens to be lesbian to boot).

    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
  155. Thomm says:
    @Brooklyn Dave

    I think saying that they want intra-white socialism is giving them too much credit.

    Thanks. You are right.

    The fact that they a) presume to speak for successful whites, b) demand that successful whites owe them handouts, and c) demand that white women be force to reproduce with them, is sickening.

    I would much rather have a quiet, hardworking skilled immigrant from Asia than some WN wigger moocher appropriating accomplishments from us based on nothing other than ‘we came from Europe ages ago’. For this, they think I am ‘Indian’, or ‘Chinese’, or a ‘Jew’ (depending on the thread).

    Reminding WNs that 85% of whites actually hate them, is always fun and very necessary to keep these parasites away. We already subsidize blacks – no need subsidize our own genetic waste matter (in the form of Nationalist-Leftists) as well.

    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
  156. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @KenH

    Hello KenH. My name is Pajeet. I from the Ganges in India.

    I just wanted to apologize to you white people for the actions of my fellow Hindu Nationals like anon, Thomm, and Pachyderma Pachyderma.

    It is a combination of having an average iq of 82 plus having a small penis size that makes us Hindus such trolls on the internet and gives such an inferiority complex to you whites.

    Please disregard those curry niggers above and please accept me as an honorary white.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  157. @Thomm

    You are on a roll… oh, don’t stop now!

  158. @Avery

    She must be a self-hating butch…

    • Replies: @Avery
  159. Thomm says:
    @Anonymous

    That is a stunning admission of defeat from ‘Anonymous’. The butthurt he is exhibiting is epic..

    Remember : To beat WNs, always remind them that 85% of white men and 100% of the decent-looking white women, hate their guts and want to keep these WN wiggers away from polite society. That is all you have to do. Rinse and repeat.

    They know it. They just don’t like that it is obvious to the outside.

    Remember that a race as successful as us whites, produces a visible amount of genetic wastematter that takes the form of WN men and bluehaired feminist females. The natural process of purging this waste must not be stopped. In the case of WNs, it is for successful white men to kick them out, and pretty white women to obstruct them from reproducing. Then, the waste is purged.

    Heh heh heh heh…………….victory is sweet.

  160. Avery says:
    @Pachyderm Pachyderma

    Nope: she is very smart, very articulate, highly educated, author of several books, and highly sought public speaker.

    A rational thinker and very famous.
    Unlike youse, homes.

    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
  161. Saxon says:
    @Thomm

    “American” isn’t a country and if it encompasses any ethnic groups, you’re not part of them since you wouldn’t have been let in pre-1965. You would not be able to compete even with average whites without government handouts and policy slanted in your favor. Which is exactly why your own country is a sewer as you cannot build anything of your own and require positions given to you in structures someone else created. You don’t have the wherewithal to create anything other than that, and that is in large part why these formerly all white or nearly all white countries now have such massive debt in order to pretend that you are somehow our equals while enriching huge international businesses through perverse incentives.

    All of this must really upset you which is why you spend so much time posting probably on multiple names with a VPN.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  162. Israel is a done deal, a reality. All the world accepts its status and its ‘right to exist’.

    The issue is West Bank. Given Palestinians were ethnically cleansed, shouldn’t their tragedy be acknowledge and shouldn’t they be given something?

    It seems fair to make W. Bank the homeland of Palestinians, but the ‘settlement’ policy since 1967 has made the prospect increasingly difficult.

    Anyway, the example of Palestine-Israel should tell us that Replacism is a bad idea. When Jews came to Palestine, they were initially supposed to be New Palestinians. But in time, they became Israelis. It’s like Anglo-American settlers invited by Mexican government to work and develop Texas were supposed to be nice ‘New Mexicans’. But, they had OTHER ideas and Mexico lost Texas. (These days, Anglo-Americans are losing Texas to Mexicans due to the same political-demographic dynamics. All these Mexicans are supposed to be New Texans, but they are Mexicans at heart and see Americans as ‘gringo’. And where intermarriage occurs, the children consider themselves more ‘Mexican’ than Anglo.) If a few arrive, they may assimilate, especially if they are of the same race and same level of ability. If Poles in Germany or Germans in Poland really wanted to assimilate, they could. Poles and Germans are equal in IQ and look about the same even though Poles do that have that chunkhead-look about them. Jews have been problematic because (1) their cultural narrative is different from Christo-Europeans (2) their identity is inseparable from victim mentality vis-a-vis Christian gentiles and (3) being smarter, they gain more power and may act against interest of native majority.

    Replacism doesn’t lead to New Natives(an oxymoron if there was one) but New Peoples. Zionist Jews were not New Palestinians but Jews with a vision of New Zion.
    Anglo-Americans were not New Mexicans but Americans who wanted Texas as their own domain, later to unite with the US. Albanians who entered Kosovo were not New Serbs but Albanian Muslims who fundamentally altered the ethnic and cultural landscape of the region.

    The problem with Replacism is it never ends. It doesn’t say ‘enough new people have arrived, so it must end’. It says more and more and more and more must arrive. It’s like Israel still takes in Jewish immigrants. And Texas still takes in Mexicans who are altering the state. There is no concept of ‘enough’ in replacism. It is a cancerous process that seeks to totally transform the ethnic and cultural character of a nation and never stop. Like cancer, it starts small but grows and grows until the original body is devoured.

    Jewish globalists who push replacism on Europe and lecture Europeans about how these Africans, Muslims, Asians, and Hindus are ‘New Europeans’ are being totally disingenuous. According to their logic, it is no tragedy if white natives become minorities in their own homelands. According to globo-logic, ‘European’ must be an ‘inclusive’ identity, and it makes no difference if Germany is filled with Muslims and Africans as long as these new people eat pretzels, speak German, and call themselves ‘Germans’.
    By this logic, even if all real Germans were to vanish, there’s no need to worry since ‘Replacement Germans’ live in Germany. It’s like saying Imitation Crab Meat is real Crab Meat. It’s like the fake band Beatlemania is Beatlemania. It’s like saying Stepford Wives are the real wives. (We now have a Stepford Peoples Syndrome.) It’s like pretending that Elvis Impersonators are real Elvises. Replacism is about European-Impersonators.
    So, if a plague were to wipe out all Germans and if 80 million Nigerians take over Germany and call themselves ‘German’, then Germany is still alive. There is no need to worry by the logic of ugly and toxic replacism that denies and forbids what is unique and special about every people-and-culture. ‘Diversity’ and ‘Inclusion’ are buzzwords used to justify financial-military-media invasion of the world by Zio-Homo-Anglo elites, and the demographic invasion of the developed world by Third World masses.

    But using this logic, the Holocaust was hardly a threat to Jewish existence. After all, if anyone can be ‘German’, then anyone can be ‘Jewish’. So, we don’t need real Jews for there to be Jews. As long as there’s a bunch of people who eat bagels and call themselves ‘Jews’, Jews are still around.

    So, suppose a gentile people — German, Arab, Iranian, or etc — gain the upperhand over Jews and decide to carry out a super-holocaust and wipe out all Jews. No need to worry. After all, there is the hope that these gentile folks who carried out the genocide may one day feel remorseful about what they’ve done and decide to keep alive Jewish identity? How? A million of them pretend to be New Jews. So, it doesn’t matter that they wiped out real Jews since they can now pretend or ‘larp’ as New Jews. This is replacist logic: Jews or any ethnic group are not special or unique. They are all replaceable by others. So, it’s no loss if any race, people, or culture is wiped out. They can be ‘replaced’ by others who pretend to be ‘them’.
    Suppose the US had nuked Japan to smithereens and wiped out all Japanese. So, is it finito for the Japanese people and culture? NO need to worry. A bunch of Americans can settle in Japan, feel sorry for what they’ve done, pretend to be ‘New Japanese’, put on some kimonos, listen to some enka, eat some sushi, and pretend to be ‘New Japanese’. So, the Japanese were not wiped out since a New People are now pretending to be Japanese.

    Now, Jews see the Holocaust as a great tragedy not only because so many innocents died but because they feel that Jewish lives are not replaceable by non-Jewish lives. Jews fear that if Nazis had won and wiped out all Jews in Europe, that would have been end of European Jewry pure and simple for all time.
    If victorious Germans were to one day abandon Nazism, feel sorry about what they’ve done, and revive Jewish identity by having 6 million Germans pretend to be ‘New Jews’, no real Jew would accept this as revival of Jewish community. It would be a mockery of Jewish identity and culture.

    And yet, we are to believe that non-Europeans can take over Europe and pass as ‘New Europeans’ with zero regard to European identity, culture, and history.

    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
  163. Mafia constituted a tiny, tiny percentage of the massive Italian immigration to the USA and Canada.

    Be that as it may, it had an outsized influence on the Italian-American community because Italians favored rule-of-tribe over rule-of-law, the mafia used ruthless intimidation tactics, and Latin types have low national-character when it comes to integrity, honesty, and justice. Italians are mostly a bunch of cowards who talk big but are the first to run when the SHTF.

    Even though MOST Italian-Americans were not part of any organized crime(at least not directly), the mafia and its related operations thrived in the Italian -American community because Italian-Americans(even non-criminal ones) did nothing to speak up(out of fear but also out of ethnic loyalty), were accustomed to relying on extralegal means to gain advantages, and favored short-term profits over long-term socio-moral consequences; Italians are like white negroes in this sense.

    Consider GOODFELLAS where we are told that many truckers were in on the take. The majority weren’t just hijacked by hoodlums but tipped off the hijackers to get a piece of the pie.
    Also, much of the Italian-American community looked the other way while criminal types were peddling their ill-gotten loot.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
    , @Timmy
  164. Thomm says:
    @Saxon

    Fixating on typos is the refuge of the defeated, btw.

    In regards to your others blatherings :

    a) I am white, as I told you many times.
    b) Asians do not get affirmative action. This is well-known to anyone smart enough to use Google to research the subject.
    c) WNs, like you, are far less talented than the average white, and are known for having Negro IQs. That is why other whites (like me) don’t take you seriously and pretty much use you as a fun punching bag.

    Now go home and get your shinebox!!

    Heh heh heh heh

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  165. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    Jack Donovan explains it in his article “What I am not a White Nationalist”:

    “But within the group of White Nationalists, you have pagans and atheists and Orthodox Christians and Catholics and Nietzscheans and Evangelicals and Baptists and a whole mess of other sub-groups who have nothing in common but a shared white European heritage and who in fact have a long history of fighting with each other. If a whites-only ethnostate materialized tomorrow, the sub-groups would start genociding each other almost immediately, because although they may be able to come to an agreement on some basic HOA rules about lawn care, their philosophical worldviews are mutually exclusive and ultimately incompatible. “

    And your comment about Italians and “latin types” proves him correct. Why would people whose ancestry is from those groups align with you?

    http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2017/05/why-i-am-not-a-white-nationalist/

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Priss Factor
  166. @ia

    If you’re suggesting whites move away from blacks that’s pointless. They’ll follow whites to Mars and beyond.

    Right, blacks are leeches or Bleeches.

    Nothing will change until the issue of BAMMAMA is discussed: Blacks are moremuscular and more aggressive.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OlyEfd-3Zw

    • Replies: @ia
  167. @Avery

    I’m familiar with Paglia and her views, Avery… It’s a facetious comment… I am surprised you of all people didn’t get it!

    • Replies: @Avery
  168. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    One more point – you wrote

    “Even though MOST Italian-Americans were not part of any organized crime(at least not directly), the mafia and its related operations thrived in the Italian -American community because Italian-Americans(even non-criminal ones) did nothing to speak up(out of fear but also out of ethnic loyalty), “

    Look up Donnie Brasco and Rudy Giuliani. Google is your friend.

  169. Talha says:
    @Anonymous

    Thanks for the link. Good write-up. Why shouldn’t they get a chance to carve out a few states to have a go at their vision? It may become White paradise on earth and a beacon to all nations or it may become post-Tito Yugoslavia on steroids. At least they will have tried…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  170. @Priss Factor

    Love reading your posts when you are not obsessed with your pet peeve… But what about America? You didn’t touch on it.

  171. Avery says:
    @Pachyderm Pachyderma

    {….… I am surprised you of all people didn’t get it!}

    I can explain:

    Got the dreaded “Dear Avery……” letter from my now ex-wife over the weekend and have been trying to deaden the pain with some extra allotments of fine Armenian brandy. My alcohol addled brain was too slow picking up the subtlety…….

    My profound regrets.

    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
  172. ia says:
    @Priss Factor

    Blacks are boring. They’re not that tough either.

    The youtube I couldn’t watch. You need to make the effort to summarize.

  173. Thomm says:

    On Italian-Americans.

    While it is true that barely 1 in 3000 Italian-Americans are/were connected to organized crime, remember that just about every young Italian-American male (I grew up with several of them) *loves* to insinuate that he has some connection to the Mafia. They used all the lingo (“Friend of Ours”, etc.) in a very well-rehearsed way. This made it easy for them to fuck sheltered blonde WASP chicks who actually believed it.

    Every single one of these young guys loved to insinuate such an association, and it was effective in bedding gullible, Hollywood-brainwashed blonde chicks. So these were men who really, really liked this stereotype. A lot.

    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
  174. @Avery

    Apology accepted! Btw, if you’re an Armenian then my sympathies lay with you and hopefully, the Turks will get their comeuppance…

  175. mark3383 says:

    Its a matter of freedom of association which you dont have in this country unless its approved by the PC police. Sooner or later it will be restored or the world will be destroyed. One or the other.

  176. @Thomm

    I knew a Calabrese (the landlord, whose ass Bobby Di Nero wanted to kick was one as well) real estate broker with two devoted parents (this dude was a real mammoni). He was a single man in his forties who dined with his folks every single night (of course, there is nothing wrong in that type of filial devotion) but liked going out clubs in SoHo every night. On occasion I would join him for drinks. Now clubs were hard to get into in those days unless you either knew the doorman or greased his palms. Johnny Baloney (that was my name for him just for fun) had his own method: at 11 o’clock, the time we would go out, he would put on dark shades and let the bouncers think he was a mob guy to get in. And I think he believed he was one…

  177. Thomm says:

    So on this thread alone, we see the White Trashionalists saying derogatory, racist things about Irish, Italians, and as always, Jews. Yeah, that is how to build white unity.

    Even thought the header article is titled ‘Why White Nationalism 1.o Failed’. In the shadow of this title, the White Trashionalists, of course, double down on every behavior criticized in the article.

    Of course, the Jews made them do it. Jews are also the reason 100% of decent-looking white women avoid the White Trashionalists, and are diligently ensuring that this genetic waste matter cannot reproduce and is purged from the system, as nature intended.

    And these are the faggots who think they are superior to anyone?

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    • Replies: @Jack Donovan
  178. @Thomm

    Even thought the header article is titled ‘Why White Nationalism 1.o Failed’. In the shadow of this title, the White Trashionalists, of course, double down on every behavior criticized in the article.

    Every. Single. Time.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @iffen
  179. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Donovan

    The comments section here really displays how well that “white utopia” would work. Also in these WN circles not that long ago Eastern and Southern Europeans especially of the Catholic variety were not welcomed. Now they are? What changed?

  180. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    You’re welcome I thought Jack Donovan did a great job with the article. I support freedom of association 100%. These guys can associate with who they want to associate with. I have no doubt though if they ever got their dream the ethnic cleansing would begin with the “latin types” and who knows where it would end. What they never can grapple with though is their “pure” ancestors are the ones who opened the doors of America to all these different groupls.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  181. Eonic says:
    @mark3383

    That link you provided was blocked by my Antivrus program. According to Virustotal, two programs, Fortinet and Google safebrowsing report call it a phishing site.

    • Replies: @mark3383
  182. mark3383 says:
    @Eonic

    Works fine for me. I wonder if your antivirus blocks “racist” websites :)

  183. iffen says:
    @Jack Donovan

    Every. Single. Time.

    Maybe the woke SJWs are right, we’s da problem.

  184. Logan says:
    @Thomm

    “Sort of how a chihuahua is not a German Shepherd, even if it insists is is one.”

    When did you meet my wife’s dog?

    • LOL: Talha
  185. Corvinus says:
    @alt white comics

    Yes, propaganda found on your YouTube page. Great. Now, what are you doing PHYSICALLY? Do you attend rallies? Do you give speeches to a live audience? Will you create an organization and “take it to the streets”? Do you plan on running for office?

  186. anarchyst says:
    @Anonymous

    …not true. So-called “white nationalists” want the same consideration that is given to every non-white group. One never sees objections to Chinese “associations”, Black “associations”, or any other ethnic “associations”, BUT let a white group even attempt to form the same kind of “association”, and it will be subject to ridicule, ostracization, and accused of being “racist”, even being investigated by the so-called “civil-rights” organizations.
    As to our “ancestors” of the “greatest generation”, THEY are the ones who pushed the “civil-rights” crap on us, FORCED “public accommodation and ‘equal housing’ laws” (at the end of a bayonet) and the Hart-Celler Immigration Act of 1965, which restricted white immigration in favor of third-world immigration.
    Hey, “greatest generation”–thanks for NOTHING…

    • Replies: @Talha
  187. @Anonymous

    And your comment about Italians and “latin types” proves him correct. Why would people whose ancestry is from those groups align with you?

    I love Latins and Latin culture.

    I believe in tough love. I’m hard on ALL groups. I don’t go easy on drunken Russians, pighead Poles, fruity British, potatohead Irish, etc. I love them all, but I must be hard on them to fix their wicked ways.

    I’m just saying different ethnic groups have different problems, and we need to address each honestly.

    I don’t want Latins to be a bunch of lying, crooked, cowardly mama’s boys. I want them to be real men of integrity.

  188. Talha says:
    @anarchyst

    Hey anarchyst,

    BUT let a white group even attempt to form the same kind of “association”, and it will be subject to ridicule, ostracization, and accused of being “racist”

    This is not accurate. Plenty of White ethnic associations continue to thrive. I live in a heavily Polish populated area. They have their own association:

    https://www.polish.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=439&Itemid=110&lang=en

    I’ve never heard of anyone protesting it or Blacks asking for membership.

    In my daughter’s high school, there are plenty of White ethnic clubs that are populated by Whites only. Serbian, Hellenic/Greek, Polish, etc. who are specifically founded to promote their unique ethno-linguistic culture and heritage. This is different from the French (and German) club, that my daughter is a part of which is primarily focused on language speakers.

    Being that this is a high school that has promoted the publicity of its transgendered cheer leader, I asked my daughter; do other ethnic students look down on those clubs or are they ostracized? She said; no – nobody thinks anything bad about the concept of those ethnic clubs or that they are racist. No random Latinos are trying to push their way into the Greek club.

    Maybe the issue is really with Whites that are mutts and simply have no clue as to their ancestral European roots.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  189. iffen says:
    @Talha

    This is not accurate. Plenty of White ethnic associations continue to thrive.

    This is not accurate because it is incomplete.

    White only groups are not allowed. (And don’t even think about trying to form a hoodie wearing white group.)

    • Replies: @Talha
  190. Talha says:
    @iffen

    I see, I think.

    Is the contention that the Polish group could not keep Blacks out if they wanted to join? Or is the point that something specifically labelled “Whites” without reference to ethno-linguistic origin is what is being sought?

    I can’t think of anybody I know that would look askance at someone wearing one of these kinds of shirts:

    http://www.guidogear.com/proud-to-be-italian-italian-shirt.html

    http://www.cafepress.com/mf/108826211/irish-and-proud_tshirt?CJAID=10463747&CJPID=3319454&XID=1565215&CJURL=http://www.cafepress.com/+shirt,2041540985&PID=6673042&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=cj&utm_campaign=Find+Unique+Gifts,+T-shirts,+and+More+at+CafePress&utm_term=2058139&utm_content=10463747&productId=2041540985

    https://www.zazzle.com/proud_to_be_swedish_t_shirt-235887418661240035

    But they might if the person wore “White Pride” or something – and I think that is due to what that has been historically associated with. Is that the issue? I mean neo-Nazi groups are allowed to exist right? Most Whites seem not to like them though – just like most Blacks don’t care to join the NOI.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  191. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Yes, traditional ethnic groups are not the same as whites trying to create a white identity group.

    Have you noticed any calls for a day on campus when all non-whites are asked to leave or not show up? If that should happen we would see hysterical condemnation and if the caller was a member of the campus we could expect that they would have to fight expulsion.

    I am not advocating for white nationalism. I enjoy trolling them as much as I do the rabid anti-Semites, but they have a valid point in saying that they are not judged by the same standards as other groups.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Talha
  192. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    Yes, traditional ethnic groups are not the same as whites trying to create a white identity group.

    I can see that. I guess the analogy would be that Nigerian or Somali immigrants not being allowed to organize under the umbrella of Black Students Association.

    they have a valid point in saying that they are not judged by the same standards as other groups.

    This I agree with once you define it the way you have. I’m pretty sick and tired of “blame whitey” and the fact that white people are the only ones one can pretty much publicly decry as a group and they are supposed to just not be offended by it as others naturally would be.

    This was a pretty good verbal beating that some black high school students got by an older black speaker. Glad people like him are trying to shake things up:

    Peace.

  193. Talha says:
    @iffen

    By the way – I’ll let you judge if this is off-topic – because it may or may not be (since we are talking about why WN 1.0 has failed), but it is pretty good:

  194. epebble says:

    Saw this interesting news: https://altright.com/2017/06/05/aging-open-border-swedish-spinsters-are-sleeping-with-their-migrant-boy-toys/

    Wondering if, absent cultural pressures towards endogamy, evolutionary pressures towards exogamy take over. I am thinking of Origin of Species here. What may be the boundaries within which “Opposites attract”?

  195. @Thomm

    Thomm, I think the seam of the argument is that highly skilled workers tend to come with cultural and racial identity baked in. A few is fine, but unmitigated immigration is likely to fracture our society. For some, of course, this is a feature not a bug.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  196. Thomm says:
    @Neil Templeton

    That is an interesting point that comes up.

    But note that :
    1) Indians were going to Britain since the 17th century, so over 350 years. They stayed there, intermarried, and vanished into English society, generation after generation. Tons of British celebrities are half-Indian or quarter-Indian. Even Princess Diana was 3% Indian (look it up), and so Prince Edward is 1.5% Indian..
    2) Fast-forward to the present : 25% of 2nd-gen Hispanics and 33% of 2nd-gen Asian Americans intermarry with whites. In the big California cities, half of all whites in any relationship appear to be in a relationship with a non-white (either Hispanic or Asian). The fact that the West Coast has very few blacks means everything stops being about race and the boundaries (whether economic or in appearance) don’t seem that huge.
    3) Canada has 2.5x the level of legal immigration as the US, and a more skill-based system. Hence, Canada today is already 18% Asian. There is no evidence of racial tension in Canada despite what WN idiots claim, since Asians are not dysfunctional the way blacks are.

    Ultimately, the boundaries between races keep changing. As I often point out, it was true until very recently that Italians, Poles, Jews, and even Irish were not considered white (and WNs still don’t consider them white, based on comments in this very thread). See my comment #108.

  197. i like the blues and i like mexican food.

    • Replies: @Talha
  198. Talha says:
    @Lawrence Fitton

    That sounds like a title for a blues song in the making. Let’s make it happen.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
  199. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    I like the blues — I like Mexican food;
    I like pretty girls, and I like handsome dudes.

    I like the whole world, but it don’t like me back
    So on I gotta go, there’s no-one to help me pack…

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @Lawrence Fitton
  200. @WorkingClass

    The social aspect of Nationalism is important. But the 1 percent are in charge. The entire 99 percent are needed by the resistance. You can’t get to 99 with white only. Why do you think our rulers constantly sow division and strife among us?

    @the alt white comics

    yeah, good point….nonwhites, if they are smart, should realize that in order to defeat the elite, there must be a solid unified majority bloc…

    But 99% of non-whites will side with the Glob 1% because the latter bribes the third world masses with immigration-pass to the West.

    THAT’S IT.

    As long as the Glob offers that bribe, the non-whites will side with Glob 1% against white nationalists.

    Look at Muslims. They should be and indeed are mad as hell with the Glob 1% for having waged wars on MENA but they still side with the Glob 1% that passes out free tickets to the rich West.

    This is why these Muslims and Africans vote for the globalist parties.

    LePen says SLOW DOWN THE INVASION.

    Macron says BRING THEM IN.

    So, the ONLY way to boost nationalism among third worlders is to deny them the drug of Passage to Europa.

  201. Hugo says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Bravo Radical center. Hope Takimag is treating you well.

  202. Hugo says:
    @Thomm

    You’re such a simple little troll who means to confuse and distract. And you’re not even good at it. You go girl!!!

    • Replies: @Thomm
  203. @Thomm

    Thomm,

    Your stats do not address the fundamental question, but thanks for the information.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  204. Thomm says:
    @Neil Templeton

    I contend that the level of skilled immigration to the US can be higher than it is now, as long as unskilled/illegals are blocked first.

    Canada has proved this by a skilled immigration rate 2.5x higher than the US, with no social friction or economic deterioration (quite the opposite, in fact).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  205. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    I am skeptical about your motives.

    By the way, you forgot about pretending you are white didn’t you ;).

    You are just trying to push for immigration in this country to increase the amount of Indians that come here. That is all.

    If someone else advocated for more immigration into India by whites, you would be against it.

    So this comment again illistrates the duplicitiousness of Indians.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-26/myth-indias-information-technology-industry

    The above article says what everyone knows. The Indian IT workers we get are a net loss to America because they do shoddy work and Indians are tribal and will just hire other Indians.

  206. @Thomm

    Big families like the Duggars and Bates’ are just good people in rural America.

    Bates have a portrait of the founder of the KKK in their house.

    The Bates family posted photos of their renovated house and rooms which included this photo of Nathan Bedford Forrest. Forrest happened to be the first Grand Wizard of the KKK.

  207. @Thomm

    The truth is, every highly-skilled immigrant is a huge injection of capital into the US. … To create the same in the US costs $500K

    One half meeelion dollars!

  208. @Thomm

    b) Asians do not get affirmative action. This is well-known to anyone smart enough to use Google to research the subject.

    If you had used Google, you would have found this…

    How Asian immigrants get preferential treatment when starting a business

    • Replies: @Thomm
  209. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    Too bad Indians we bring in are not skilled and do shoddy work.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-26/myth-indias-information-technology-industry

    So yeah, as long as we block Indians from coming over, we could afford to bring in other more qualified peoples.

    Indians are notorious for cheating on their tests. So how do we qualify these Indians as skilled when they cheat all the time.

  210. @Anon

    talha
    i like it!

    • Replies: @Talha
  211. Talha says:
    @Lawrence Fitton

    Thanks – that wasn’t me – but glad I could be the catalyst!

    Peace.

  212. Thomm says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    It is well known that Asians don’t get affirmative action in Ivy League admissions, in jobs, etc. If you used Google, you would know that.

    The site you linked is not a credible site – you would have to find the actual government site where the alleged code is written.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  213. Thomm says:
    @Hugo

    Your comment is just an admission that you are butthurt that successful whites don’t give the time of day to White Trashionalists. That has been my point across the whole thread, which others have agree with.

  214. Winston says:

    By the way, there is 50% decline in sperm of males in western countries.

    https://www.livescience.com/59948-sperm-count-drop-western-men.html

    Western Men See Drop in Sperm Counts, But Cause Remains a Mystery

    • Replies: @helena
  215. Svigor says:

    Thomm & his kind are obviously motivated by something a bit more than just a desire to “tell it like it is.” There’s “heat” there: non-white blood, Jewish background, communism, non-white spouse, mixed kids, heavily non-white family, something. There’s always “something” there with these types. Their “observations” are not really observations, but attacks.

    Also Thomm if you think WN are in the aryan princess phase

    Yeah they’re not, he’s clueless.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @Anonymous
  216. Svigor says:

    There’s nothing more healthy or natural than an animal taking its own side in a fight. Which is why people have to go into contortions & backflips to change the subject, make everything into an ad hominem argument, etc.

  217. Thomm says:
    @Svigor

    Nope. I have been quite open about the fact that I think SKILLED (not unskilled) immigration is beneficial (and indeed essential) for the US economy.

    My second point has been to point out that WNs are invariably losers and have nothing in common with successful whites. Much like how a chihuahua does not have the abilities of a Doberman Pinscher.

    Hence, White Trashionalists don’t speak for successful whites. This is what bothers WNs the most.

    WN really is a goddess cult. Father O’Hara said the same above. That is why it has so much in common with feminism.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  218. Thomm says:

    Why Western Women love Islam :

    http://judgybitch.com/2017/07/28/50-shades-of-allahu-akbar-why-western-women-love-islam/

    Yet these WN losers still worship white women (who want nothing to do with WN losers, btw).

    Heh heh heh heh

    • Replies: @Talha
  219. Talha says:
    @Thomm

    Yeah…
    “Although there are no firm statistics about women converting to Islam in Britain, it is possible that as many as three-quarters of British converts – an estimated 100,000 between 2000 and 2010, were female…the project team say that a consistent, emerging theme is that many stressed a strong sense of continuity with the past.”

    http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/narratives-of-conversion

    The West keeps accusing Islam of being masculine, patriarchal and traditional – what could possibly go wrong? LOL!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  220. @the alt white comics

    Yep, American elites were gentile before the post-WW2 era.

    Especially that notorious shegetz, Barnard Baruch!

    And what could be WASPier than the poem on the Statue of Liberty, welcoming wtetched refuse to our shores, penned by that infamous shiksa Emma Lazarus?

    So don’t blame the Frankfort group, whatever that is.

    Blame all our Fellow White People in the 1%.

    Those damn gentiles.

    • Replies: @Anon
  221. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @The True and Original David

    Yes, the Anglo elite were always philosemitic, going back to the Revolution.

  222. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Nobody said it was particularly good (though I disagree; standards at elite institutions are low indeed but still higher than regular ones, especially at the high school level), just different.

  223. I accept you, Pajeet, but you have to go back now, and so does your family. But first, pay back the E-Z business loan that white American taxpayers made possible. And when you get back to Mumbai, take my number off your list and stop calling me. Thanks ;)

  224. @Corvinus

    “Actually, ALL Europeans and non-Europeans are closely related genetically.”

    And there’s the old Gouldian fallacy, right on time.

    Is the key for that fallacy next to the “Fellow White People” key on your keyboards? Just asking.

  225. @Anon

    E. Michael Jones is good on this. Have you ever checked out Miles Mathis? He may be crazy, but I think he’s on to something. The roots aren’t shallow.

  226. John Malt says:
    @Art Deco

    “Wm. Kristol is a standard issue Republican.”

    You’re proving the point of the person you’re responding to.

  227. Thomm says:
    @Talha

    Yep. Anyone who knows an iota about female psychology (which by definition excludes the WN losers) knows that women will stop at nothing to vote in Islam into the West.

    I almost can’t blame the women, when they have been bombarded by needy, nerdy WN losers, of course they are desperate for some violent masculinity.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @Anonymous
  228. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Whites as a group need some brave, INTELLIGENT leaders who will speak up for them.
    They need to be a bit subtle too so as not to be totally crucified by the media.

  229. L Woods says:
    @Thomm

    I hope you’ve remembered to take your medication this morning.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  230. Alt-right kids are a pathetic, threatened bunch. They rationalize their way out of every criticism of their narrow-mindedness, exactly like the leftist psychotics haunting social media that they oppose.

    If you cut too close to the bone, they shout triumphantly that you “must” be Jewish: and they are at ease. Obviously, no one but a Jew, or someone married to a Jew, could disagree with them. Even old Svigor has adopted this tactic!

    And this isn’t attribution bias at all, naturally (actually several at once). Alt-right kids are above cognitive biases … because psychology is Jewish.

    The word Jew has gone from being Alex Linder’s “skeleton-key to American politics” (true enough) to being the alt-right kids’ magical formula to dispel any contradictory information from outside their little world. Reality-checking? Cool story, Jew. Edgy.

    This is the sarcastic, paranoid psychodrama they act out every day on the internet. This is their lives. A more clear-cut and laughable case of denialism, where a nobody in subjection pretends to be (or soon to be) a somebody in charge, would be hard to find.

    We knew whites were decadent sixty, seventy years ago. There’s nothing new except how far along we are in the process, and certain ugly symptoms of it.

    The alt-right kids are one such symptom, the mirror opposite of the malicious bluehair landwhale that needs her safe space.

    White nationalist fantasies of NSDAP2.0 and “helicopter rides”, in short the internet, are their safe space. Without the internet, no psychodrama, no trolling.

    To make them disappear, all you have to do is press the power button on your device.

    Brad Griffin says they’re “in the streets” (as if no rallies were ever held). But so is everyone else, and in far greater numbers. Not that numbers mean anything anymore. Just ask Indian politicians!

    And just like WN1.0, the alt-right will pass in a few years when this female-less 20-sthg male cohort have become 30-somethings, even more depressed and resigned than we are.

    But at least we don’t jerk off to anime and play video games.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  231. “Attacking an ideology based upon the allegedly low notch count of its adherents is an invalid argument in any case, for what I would hope are pretty obvious reasons.”

    In fact, it’s the best way to attack it: notch-count is a reliable proxy of access to mates. And if you’re not getting the mates, you’re going extinct.

    Like it or not, there is significant dimorphism among human males competing for white females, and these females are going for the newcomers, if they’re reproducing at all.

    And that’s quite apart from their character, their value as mothers. Or just as people one must interact with.

    I’m sure someone could scare up enough to data to prove that white women abort, or prevent, offspring by white men at a higher rate than offspring by non-white men. Even at the very lowest frequency, that’s going to be much greater than the converse (non-white females giving birth to, or preventing, offspring by white men), as white female/non-white female is by far the more common pairing.

    The fact is that males on the far-right lack their cohort, who are out getting free Fireball shots and fielding texts from randos of all races. This means they have one of the lowest rates of reproductive success in the world.

    And that means no one to pilot those dreamed-of helicopter rides. If anyone’s going out the hatch, it’s going to be us.

    • Replies: @Talha
  232. Thomm says:
    @L Woods

    Translation : L Woods is a butthurt WN loser, who cannot debate my solid points (which others have agreed with and even complimented on this thread as ‘brutal’).

    WNs are so weak and impotent that it is not even a challenge.

    Heh heh heh heh

  233. Talha says:
    @Marshall Lentini

    notch-count is a reliable proxy of access to mates

    Your points are valid, but maybe the fascination with notch-counts is the problem – traditional monogamous White societies of the past had zero problems propagating themselves. It’s time to return to return to the norms that have kept families together and society going for centuries – no?

    Should notch-counts be shunned? Or celebrated?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Marshall Lentini
  234. @Talha

    I don’t care to moralize about it. Changes nothing, as white nationalism demonstrates. People don’t pick their biological strategy.

  235. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    Svigor, Thomm is a Hindu Indian and his agenda is to push for more of his kind into the west. That is his game.

    He is not Jewish, but Indians like to act like Jews but with a lower iq what can you expect?

  236. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    With only an average iq of 82, why should we import Indian immigrants? We are not allowed to iq test immigrants before entry, so it would make more sense to ban all Indians from the West to preserve our skilled pool of workers.

  237. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    lol.

    The most beta men in the world are Hindu Injuns.

    You guys never win gold medals despite having a billion of you. You lose every war you ever fight. And you can only get laid by raping women.

    Quit projecting pajeet.

  238. Thomm says:
    @Marshall Lentini

    Marshall Lentini’s comment is superb. A few choice bits :

    If you cut too close to the bone, they shout triumphantly that you “must” be Jewish: and they are at ease. Obviously, no one but a Jew, or someone married to a Jew, could disagree with them. Even old Svigor has adopted this tactic!

    Indeed. I have been called Chinese, Indian, Jew, Hispanic, etc. over here, depending on which example I used to demolish WN idiocy. I am a white guy from one of the big midwest cities. Yes, maybe I am married to an Asian woman. Maybe some of my childhood friends are Asian. So what? These White Trashionalists cannot process so many variables with their low IQs.

    The alt-right kids are one such symptom, the mirror opposite of the malicious bluehair landwhale that needs her safe space.

    The two are the same thing. The bluehaired landwhales were driven to feminism because the bottom 20% of white men (i.e. their prospects, the WNs) are SOOOO revolting that they really had no choice but to turn to feminism as a source of validation.

    Remember that whites have extremely high variance in quality. That is why I absolutely will not allow these completely untalented, worthless White Trashionalist moochers to claim that they speak for successful whites. These White Trashionalists exist as wastebaskets of genetic matter that nature wants to purge (and that white women are successfully obstructing from reproduction). It is almost like for the superbly talented white men and prettiest white women to exist, the waste matter generated has to show up somewhere, and WNs + bluehaired femtwats are the designated wastebaskets.

    Razib Khan has said as much.

    Always remind these WN losers of two things :
    1) They have nothing in common with successful white men, any more than a pygmy in the Congo has with Usain Bolt.
    2) White women don’t want them, and white women are in fact doing mother nature’s bidding by ensuring that genetic waste master does not escape from the wastebaskets that nature has designated WNs to be.

  239. @Thomm

    THE SBA 8(a) PROGRAM
    … One of the business development tools of the 8(a) program is the award of Federal contracts
    … Definition of Socially and Economically Disadvantaged Individuals
    … persons with origins from Japan, China
    … persons with origins from India, Pakistan

    • Replies: @Thomm
  240. Thomm says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Your own link disproves your point.

    1) The benefit is given to ALL minorities. Whether black, Hispanic, Native American, etc. There is no special provision for Chinese, Indians, etc. that is not available to all non-whites.
    2) It also says :

    an individual whose personal net worth (excluding the equity in their personal residence and business) exceeds $250,000 will not be considered economically disadvantaged.

    So they do disqualify people who have $250K in assets (which is not much). So it does not go to those who have money. Since Chinese, Indians, etc. are much richer than blacks, Hispanics, etc., fewer of them qualify for the assistance than blacks/Hispanics (and white women, as we shall soon see).

    Now, I agree the program should be done away with altogether, but it is completely false to claim that a) this goes to Asians to a degree greater than it goes to blacks, Hispanics, Native Americans, etc.

    Furthermore, right below that section is the real scam :

    Woman-Owned Businesses

    So women, including white women, also get SBA 8(a). Only white men are excluded.

    So the program should be done away with altogether, yes, but to claim that a) Asians are getting exclusive treatment when in fact 70% of the US population gets it (including white women), and b) to claim that this is the reason for Asian economic outperformance, is patently false.

    For example, Asian-Americans always get higher SAT scores than whites. Is this because of SBA 8(a)?

    Here is the list of household income by ethnicity in the US. Asian groups are at the top :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    If some obscure SBA 8(a) was the reason for this, blacks would have even higher income than Asians.

    • Replies: @Anon
  241. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    Asians do not get affirmative action

    There is no special provision for Chinese, Indians, etc. that is not available to all non-whites.

    These are not equivalent statements. Do you see why?

    • Replies: @Thomm
  242. I should clarify that I am a lapsed white nationalist, though I never believed in their more simplistic notions, being fundamentally more curious about the world than afraid of it.

    In fact, an old friend and I used to call ourselves white trashionalists. We had no patience for muh cathedrals, muh white women, as fetishes you understand, I suppose because we had women and knew how corrupt they are.

    For my part, I’m more aligned with white trash than the successful whites you seem to fetishize, but in any case it doesn’t matter: white people have had their time. There are those who can escape the tide, and those who will drown.

    WN/alt-right is the ideology of a drowning man. All weight, all gravitas, no buoyancy nor joy. I guess that’s why the trolls made people sit up for a moment — it was irreverent, funny. But beyond that it’s nothing more than a sour, compensatory belief system. Me me me, is all they’re really saying. Like everyone else.

  243. Also: let’s not be unfair to the Pygmies. So impressed were the taller Bantus by their hunting ability that they stopped hunting Pygmies as game and resorted to enslaving them, more or less their situation today in the Congo, if they enjoy any status at all.

    Of course to a white nationalist, it’s just a bunch of naggers, who cares, but the same kind of sentiment is implied in comparing them to an east African track star.

  244. Thomm says:
    @Anon

    You are missing the proportionality by a mile.

    The SBA 8(a) was meant for all non-whites + white women. Asians got included in that, but qualify the least for it because anyone with over $250,000 in assets is disqualified.

    Plus, SBA 8(a) was barely used by 2% of the Asian community. By contrast, the wholesale discrimination they receive in College Admissions, lack of affirmative action in jobs, etc. is much larger. Silicon Valley is disproportionately Asian at all levels. Asian SAT scores are higher than whites (a fact that causes WN heads to explode).

    SBA 8(a) is certainly not a factor in Asian success, for the reasons I mentioned. If it was, blacks would have the highest income of all. SBA 8(a) was set at a time when they assumed Asians would underperform like Blacks and Hispanics did.

    If SBA 8(a) were repealed tomorrow (and it should be, as I said), Asians would still be the highest income group.

  245. @WorkingClass

    “The social aspect of Nationalism is important. But the 1 percent are in charge. The entire 99 percent are needed by the resistance. You can’t get to 99 with white only. Why do you think our rulers constantly sow division and strife among us? I have never been a Conservative. I am allied with the Alt Right because, whether they know it or not, they serve the interests of the working class.”

    Yes. They use the ancient tactic of “divide and conquer”

    The only way to avoid annihilation or slavery will be to join forces against the Jewish-driven elites. For this, you need all the working class. In fact, everybody not part of the elite. The only way America will be free will be to get rid of said “elites”- A good start is to put a lot of public pressure to dissolve the Federal Reserve and its brutal usury system. If they can’t control the money, they can’t control the people.

  246. @Saxon

    This is already a problem: “By 2007, almost one in five (19.8%) were foreign-born, with nearly 60 percent of new immigrants coming from Asia (including the Middle East). The leading sources of immigrants to Canada were China, the Philippines and India.”

    While a desire to make them go is nice, I don’t think it’ll happen. Think that Europe is right now being invaded by Middle East muslims and blacks from Africa, with the approval and even urging of the governments, all Jewish-controlled. The only serious resistance to this monstrous scheme comes from East Europe, which generally refuses to take any more new immigrants. This is the design of the Jewish-driven elites, it’s social engineering, and it’s being applied to all the civilized world. The plan is clear: To destroy national identity of the white nations by racial disintegration.

    The real solution is to put very strong civil pressure to the traitors in the governments, so that they stop abjectly licking Jewish feet. If this brings civil wars, then so be it… At least, there will be hope of victory. Besides, the “elites” are cowards inside. They fear organized masses, for obvious reasons. We outnumber them badly.

  247. @Thomm

    I’ll put you down as an anti-white.
    The problem is not illegal immigration, it is mass third world legal plus illegal immigration.

    It’s “Asia for Asians, Africa for Africans, white countries for everyone.”

    I joined Storm Front in 2004. I’m less sociable because of mild autism.
    But the creativity associated with autism helped me get my physics degree and later my electrical engineering degree. I am not a loser.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  248. Thomm says:
    @phil white

    I’ll put you down as an anti-white.

    I don’t think you are smart enough to make that determination. By your own admission :

    I joined Storm Front in 2004. I’m less sociable because of mild autism.
    I am not a loser.

    Based on this, I am certain that you are a loser with women, which is the defining trait of WNs.

    Once again, I am pro-white, in that I don’t want the bottom 20% appropriating the success of successful whites like me. Remember that the variance within whites is unusually high.

    I also favor skilled immigration, and high-income immigrant groups, for economic reasons explained above.

  249. I am not a loser in terms of educational/job success. I am divorced though.
    My X had been periodically treated for depression before we married.
    What you have to understand about talented, creative families is that they often have mental traits that, in themselves, are negative. Also they have a tendency to form friendships an marry each other.
    Recently I’ve come to suspect that this did a lot to establish the Medieval aristocracy.
    You have heard the expression “There is a fine line between genious and insanity.”
    In my family there is a narrow band between brilliance and instability. You can call me the “Rain Man” of counter intelligence, but that’s another long story.
    (You can check out the federal portion of my law suit against the Southern Poverty Law Center in the 11th circuit in 2013. If it wasn’t the SPLC who fielded an Israeli led hit team against me then it must have been the ADL or some other FBI supported NGO. Apparently the idiots didn’t bother to look up my military service record.)
    Creativity is associated with several psychological problems that are genetically determined.
    1. Bo-polar/manic depressive (Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill, Tanya Harding)
    2. Schizophrenia (My maternal grandmother was hospitalized for this a couple of times in her 70′s)
    3, Autism
    4. Augburgers syndrome
    5.Terrets syndrome

    Since you imply you are not Jewish, I assume you mean you don’t believe/practice the Jewish religion.
    It is natural that any minority, and this is especially true of ethnic Jews, be paranoid. This is for the same reasons paranoia is a common trait among dictators. If they are not paranoid they don’t survive long.
    Despite WN problems with Jewish groups like SPLC/ADL I’m not apposed to Jews. But what I do hate about them is their willful stupidity. As Einstein is reputed to have said, “Anyone who keeps doing the same thing repeatedly always expecting a different result is insane.” (Or something like that). I’m referring of course to the practice of Jews to move into other peoples countries and then try to rule from behind the scenes.

    A new revolutionary movement goes through four stages.

    1. The ruling class ignores them.
    2. The ruling class ridicules them.
    3, The ruling class attacks them.
    4. They win.

    Right now White Nationalism (what the founders supported)
    is transitioning from the “Ridicule them” stage to the “Attack them stage”

    In the last election something like 65% of whites voted for the media/ruling class designated “Racist, sexist bigoted homophobe.”
    I believe this is the signal of the end of the Multi-cultural American Empire.

    Crane Brinton, a famous historian, author of “The Anatomy of Revolution” and a member of the WWII OSS wrote this:

    “There has been a revolution in the English speaking world every two centuries or less for the last thousand years, with a total over throw of the political system and a complete redistribution of political power, always accompanied by violence or the threat of violence and usually accompanied by massive violence.”
    1865
    1776
    1642
    1480
    1243
    1065

    We are about due.
    Can you and zee Joos get your collective heads out of your collective posteriors?? Enough already.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  250. Thomm says:
    @Phil White

    Your comment is an example of the backward nature of Nationalist-Leftist dogma.

    WN is not some edgy, enlightened innovation. It is the most primitive ideology of all, that appeals to the base jealousy and knee-jerk hate of the least talented members of society. The left-wing economic views of WNs prove this.

    1. The ruling class ignores them.
    2. The ruling class ridicules them.
    3, The ruling class attacks them.
    4. They win

    Heh. This was actually said by Mahatma Gandhi. You of course did not know that.

    There is a reason successful whites never give importance to WNs.

    But what I do hate about them is their (Jews’) willful stupidity.

    So Jews are stupid now? I thought you believe they are so smart that they can brainwash white people who outnumber them 40 to 1.

    • Replies: @phil white
    , @Anonymous
  251. Timmy says:
    @Priss Factor

    I am enjoying the Italian and other bashing in this thread.

    Daily reminder: America is in the condition it is in because the WASP’s sold out the country to the globalists. It wasn’t wasn’t the Italians, the Irish, the regular Jews, the Blacks nor the Hispanics.

    It was the WASPs, never forget it. They created the conditions that we have today as they sold the country out.

    • Replies: @helena
  252. @Thomm

    Instead of asking for evidence for your claims (I’m sure you don’t have any) , I will take a closer look at those claims.
    You are basically saying that White racialism is motivated by frustration, while success removes any motive for White racialism.
    If it was true, it should be true in general. So why were successful White men predominantly racist and White supremacists only a hundred years ago or less?
    I have French magazines from the colonial period, and they were filled with racism. Racism and White supremacy were taken for granted, particularly by successful Whites.
    Your claims cannot work, as the same mechanisms should apply to the past, and they do not.

    Therefore it is clear that your thesis is a perfidious manipulative fallacy aimed at messing with people’s minds.

    The real reason successful Whites are reluctant to express racialist views in public is far more simple and self evident.
    Successful Whites are not ruling Western countries ideologically anymore, and if they express racialist views they are demonized and destroyed, socially and economically.

    The more prominent the White man, the more wrath he will provoque.
    If a farmer from Kanzas cracks a racist joke, he will be ignored, but successfull and prominent Whites are the main target, and if they dare express racialist views their lives are destroyed.
    The case of the Nobel laureate Watson is a prime example: He was socially and professionally destroyed for daring to suggest that the lower IQ of the Blacks might be of genetic origin.

    Successful White men are the prime target and have the most to lose if they express pro-White views.

  253. helena says:
    @Timmy

    Did they sell or did they hand over, voluntarily or no, for sake of everyone, for the greater good, for progress?

  254. @Thomm

    As to socialist views of WN Sam Dickson has said we are neither left nor right. That suits me.
    I take it this is your attempt to keep other talented whites away from WN.

    The four stages of the progress of a revolutionary thought have been attributed to Gandhi.
    I’ve also seen them attributed to Mandela. What ever.

    Jews are generally intelligent but their emotional intelligence, E.Q. would either have to be low or more likely they are blinded by 2,000 years of the fear of pogroms.

    As to being able to brain wash people read Edward Bernay’s “Propaganda”. I submit that with enough control of information and propaganda directed at a population you can get many people to do almost anything. The Jones Town Massacre where women gave their own babies cyanide proves that.

    Some few of us were never totally brainwashed by multicultural propaganda. We were the early supporters of WN. Those of us who were a bit autistic were less influenced by the main stream propaganda. What distinguishes WN most of all is our resistance to brainwashing.

    When I first realized why Jews promoted mass third world immigration I was enraged for a couple of years. Then I saw how easy it was in 2003 for the elites to drive the American people into the second Iraq war.

    Jews are as malleable by their own leadership as are Europeans.
    The Jewish national group outside Israel are blinded by their nightmares stemming from 2,000 years of pogroms. Therefore I come to the conclusion that we need to put the Jewish national group through a sort of De-Zionization program similar to the De-Nazification program that followed WWII. Pogromming Jews out of blind hatred won’t help in the De-Zionization program to come.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  255. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    Ayn Rand’s Objectivism was almost entirely composed of neurotic Jews of the same type as one encountered buying really expensive stereo equipment in the 1990s. Most of the goyische enthusiasts of Rand’s ideas (as opposed to the woman herself) and some of the less neurotic Jews went on to libertarianism, (see Tuccille, “It Usually Begins With Ayn Rand”. ). Rand’s response, via her second “appointed heir” Leonard Peikoff, was to condemn libertarians in the strongest terms on specious grounds.

    At any rate, Rand and Objectivism never comfortably fit under the umbrella of conservatism.

    And while Buckley may have “purged” the JBS, the JBS itself purged a fair number of people who did not conform to its dictates. Probably the most fascinating of these was Professor Revilo P. Oliver, who was kicked out for making a speech that the JBS (e.g., Welch) felt could be construed as “antisemitic”. (Oliver later did become virulently critical of Jews in his private writing, famously calling Susan Sontag “a Kikess who would no more call herself a White woman than she would a bitch or a sow.” ) Oliver believed the JBS was a calculated effort to redirect the energies of patriotic and decent but perhaps naive Americans into ineffectual paths, a theory I tend to believe has considerable evidence.

  256. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @phil white

    One can be WN and hold to any of various preferences as to economic systems or policies, from (small-l) libertarian to any of various systems of state corporatism, mercantilism, or even “national socialism” in the sense that the NSDAP in Germany actually meant it in economic terms.

    Sweden in the 1970s was one of the most socialist countries in the world, with a 102% top statutory income tax rate (!). Yet, at that time, the average Swede lived pretty well. I had a family member that investigated emigrating from the US to Sweden at about that time. He decided against it because of the cold winters and the challenge of learning Swedish, not the economic system. He would have paid high taxes but would have had a higher income and would have received benefits back from day one.

    Economic systems are just not as important as the biological qualities of the people in the overall success or failure of a society. Some Asian societies have higher IQs than whites but have proven they can’t develop original ideas.

  257. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    Jews certainly are not stupid, but they are being very shortsighted in their advocacy of anti-White and pro-diversity policies, if one considers history to be of any value in predicting future consequences.

    In general, Ashkenazi Jews tend toward neurosis. This is just an observation over my own lifetime and from watching others interact with them and them interacting with their own people.

    Many high IQ people who are not Jewish also have some of these traits.

  258. Svigor says:

    Obviously WNism scares the shit out of the darkies; it might send them back to the countries their own kind created. Worst possible outcome. Jews know it might entail reciprocity vis-a-vis Zionism.

    “I made 100k comments to a thread at Unz Review about how scared I am of WNism; I’m a winner.”

    “It was the WASPs, never forget it.”

    Said the Jew/Jew-fluffer.

    Jews are generally intelligent but their emotional intelligence, E.Q. would either have to be low or more likely they are blinded by 2,000 years of the fear of pogroms.

    Jews are ethnocentric. One result of this is a diminished capacity for ethnic introspection. Jews have an echo-chamber culture that refuses to entertain criticism or genuine ethnic introspection. It’s all rationalization and self-deception and xenophobia. They read history to bolster these tendencies, and read out the bits that don’t. Time to crack this egg.

    Jews are as malleable by their own leadership as are Europeans.

    Probably more so.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  259. Svigor says:

    “I’ve been monitoring this thread about WNism for weeks, made more comments to it than anyone else, even though my whole point is to talk people out of WNism.

    Heh heh heh. I’m a winner.”

  260. Svigor says:

    “I turn argumentum ad hominem and appeal to authority fallacies into essays. I’m very persuasive.

    Heh heh heh.”

  261. Thomm says:
    @Svigor

    Svigor is exhibiting epic butthurt.

    He is not smart enough to make coherent points, so he imploded like the weakling that he is. WNs tend to have negro IQs.

    I will NOT allow White Trashionalists to appropriate the success of normal whites (not that they have any chance of pulling this off, given how much pretty white women hate WNs), given the huge variance in white talents/quality.

    • Replies: @phil white
  262. If I had to live in Union City like Thomm and drive my POS Kia to work at my cubicle in Sunnyvale, I’d be irrationally angry about about my desperately futile life too.

  263. @Thomm

    I think Kelly Anne is pretty and she seems to get along with Steve Bannon.

    And as to your remark: “There is a reason successful whites never give importance to WNs.”

    At least one white billionaire feels O.K. about WNist. That he is now president is just a bonus.

    :-)

  264. JSM says:
    @Thomm

    I am a white male

    A white *male*? Are you a cuck or a 9 y o boy? Because White men call themselves White men.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  265. Talha says:

    I thought I’d weigh in here as this thread is close to wrapping up…I and another brother were observing the exchange. Wow – people have no coherent argument against what Thomm is posting other than to resort to ad hominem or try to shout him down as some Indian guy or something…really mature guys.

    One of the issues I see is that WN has adopted the Darwinian framework as the ultimate basis for its argument. They want to put all their eggs in the basket of genetic superiority or uniqueness (IQ, IQ, IQ, average IQ, blah, blah…). OK – fine, then one has to deal with the consequences. You can’t really then express outrage that normally stems from a moral framework – concern for the downtrodden or the vulnerable is something that religions like Christianity and Islam call for.

    As I have reminded people at UNZ before, survival of the fittest pisses on the coffin of your humanitarian concerns and it pisses on your coffin if you don’t meet the standards required to pass on your genes. Tough luck – maybe someone will cry about it, but obviously not your children.

    If White elites see these people as genetic wastes – like Thomm points out, often with glee that they are being blocked from propagating their genes – then what recourse, what argument do they have from a Darwinian perspective? None. White elites will keep marrying into other intelligent Whites (or Asians, Indians, Jews, etc. who are also intelligent – which is the key if IQ is what counts – who cares what average IQ is – they aren’t marrying rickshaw drivers) and having kids. If IQ is the bees knees, then it is in the interest of White elites to marry intelligent non-Whites as opposed to lower intelligent Whites especially if some other genetic advantage can also be gained. Block the non-intelligent ones from breeding and restock with version 2.0. Jared Kushner has 3 kids. Nikki Haley has 2. No problems here. Fareed Zakaria married a white lady and had 3 kids with her. I hear Salman Rushdie constantly walks around with young nubile white females at his side now that he’s gone through a slew of marriages with White women. You think Bobby Jindal’s or Satya Nadella’s kids need to worry about finding suitable mates among Whites? Why? Even good old Derb threw in his lot with an intelligent Asian.

    And soon, they’ll probably be able to get their kids’ eyes or hair color genetically altered too – so there goes that train.

    Put God in the “friend zone” or throw Christianity in the trash bin because of its “namby-mamby” concern for the weak – see what happens…

    Darwin, you silly, silly guy…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @iffen
    , @Thomm
  266. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Thomm is deluded. 30% of whites are WNs? Women are bombarded with the unwanted attentions of WNs? Where does he live, a prison?

    I have never in my (offline) life so much as met a so-called white nationalist. To be as concerned with them as Thomm is strikes me as simply bizarre.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Thomm
  267. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    To address the actual point of the post, though, I’m not familiar with any coherent Darwinian arquments or manifestos put forth by serious white nationalists. (Attilathehen most emphatically does not count). If they exist, they might be worth reviewing and criticizing.

    Darwinism as such is a scientific theory, not a value. If an ethical system is based on Darwinism it must be using Darwinism to defend some good extrinsic to the theory itself.

    PS. Searching the thread again I can’t find the 30% claim. It’s possible I was mistaken on that point, but the general observation stands.

    • Replies: @Talha
  268. Thomm says:
    @Anon

    30% of whites are WNs?

    I said no such thing. I think it is only 10% in the US at most.

    Women are bombarded with the unwanted attentions of WNs?

    Most WNs don’t have the courage to speak to a woman, but they do worship women to a preposterous degree.

    Since you are arguing against things I have not said at all, that proves you to be a fool.

    • Replies: @Anon
  269. Thomm says:
    @JSM

    Confucius had a saying :

    “When a wise man points to the stars, the imbecile criticizes the finger”.

    JSM is an example of this, and is demonstrating the typical loserdom inherent to WN wiggers.

  270. Thomm says:
    @Anon

    Your link does not cite the ’30%’ claim.

    Yes, most WNs are needy losers, because WN is a goddess cult, like I said at the very top. That is not mutually exclusive with the fact that many are too pathetic to talk to women in real life, and hence bombard them on Facebook with loserish worship. Your point?

    • Replies: @Anon
  271. iffen says:
    @Talha

    this thread is close to wrapping up…

    Sometimes that’s the best part.

    Wow – people have no coherent argument against what Thomm is posting other than to resort to ad hominem

    What sort of argument should be offered up against Thomm’s claims that WNs are losers, have Negro IQs, can’t “get’ pretty white women, etc, etc?

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @Talha
  272. Thomm says:
    @iffen

    What sort of argument should be offered up against Thomm’s claims that WNs are losers, have Negro IQs, can’t “get’ pretty white women, etc, etc?

    er….. an admission that this is a well-known and highly visible truth?

    Jack Donovan confirmed the veracity of this assessment.

    • Replies: @iffen
  273. Thomm says:
    @Talha

    Good comment, and very true.

    2nd gen Asian-Americans from upper-middle-class families have no problem getting white mates (if they want them).

    2nd gen Hispanic men have a sufficiently smooth mojo that they get pretty white women even if they themselves are in a low-status job.

    And this is nothing new. In California there are plenty of completely white-lo0king people with Mexican and Japanese last names simply because their great-grandfather was such… The West Coast is very different from the Deep South. There were never a lot of blacks on the West Coast, so interracial relationships with Asians and Mexican-Americans never carried the same stigma.

    • Replies: @iffen
  274. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Wow, is that a college dissertation? That’s a lot of political analysis for this. The mundane world doesn’t have that much complexity. This ain’t rocket science Boyo.
    Its really simple when you boil off the excuses and just look at the facts. Americans were fat and happy. They could afford the problems. Sure the problems have grown, but now the fat are beginning to miss meals and work longer for less.
    The idiots who still want to believe are still fat. Couch borne vegetables that worship ball sports. The White Nationalists are the ones who got screwed and were told it was “fair”. So much stupid in so little time.
    When you know its a rigged game, its no fun anymore. Like the WWE, the end of Kay Fabe in the swamp is the beginning of the end of the belief in wanting to believe. War is inevitable. Go along to get along implies that you have some stake in it – something to lose. Those open celebrations of the end of White people and the glee in which those dumb brown bums want you to die. Try walking that back.

    There are so many shovel ready jobs. Minorities are the fossil fuels of the future now.

  275. iffen says:
    @Thomm

    Oh, well, if Jack Donovan confirmed it why is it even being discussed?

  276. iffen says:
    @Thomm

    Yes, Nordic princesses do command a premium.

    The West Coast is very different from the Deep South.

    Say what?

    Keep coming up with cosmic insights like this and you will have to fight those Nordic princesses off with a stick.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @Anon
  277. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    Your point?

    Well, I’m chiefly writing for any other, perhaps more reasonable*, people who may happen to read this, so should any of them think I need to further elucidate, I’d be happy to.

    Thomm, I’d apologize for calling you deluded, but since we’re about even in the insult department at this point it doesn’t really seem necessary.

    *A dicey proposition here sometimes, I know.

  278. Thomm says:
    @iffen

    Yes, Nordic princesses do command a premium.

    Well, broke Hispanic guys with no college-level education seem to have no problem getting them. Remember, WN losers do a lot of the work of driving white women into the arms of others…and Mexicans are vastly preferable to Muslims…

    • Replies: @iffen
  279. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    The only unmarried Nordic princesses I know of are little children or ancient women*.

    You sick, sick man.

    (:), of course)

    *https://twitter.com/crownprincely?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

    • Replies: @iffen
  280. iffen says:
    @Thomm

    Remember, WN losers do a lot of the work of driving white women into the arms of others

    Well, there is variation in the quality of the princesses.

    You make the argument that WNs genes are being deleted via the wastebasket.

    I could make a similiar claim that the white gene pool is being “purified” by having the Nordic princesses’ traitor genes purged from the white race.

    • Replies: @iffen
  281. iffen says:
    @iffen

    traitor genes purged from the white race

    Once you go black, you can’t come back
    If you go brown, you will encounter a frown

  282. iffen says:
    @Anon

    You sick, sick man.

    Since when did marauding barbarian hordes fret over age or marital status? :)

  283. Thomm says:

    I could make a similiar claim that the white gene pool is being “purified” by having the Nordic princesses’ traitor genes purged from the white race.

    Well, no, because many of these are the prettier white women. They are well above the threshold where a WN omega male would worship her.

    What you said would be true of the blue-haired feminist fatties, yes, but those are not who the Hispanic guys have to settle for.

    In the end, it is the WN males who are rightfully being shut out by white women, therefore doing what nature wants in terms of sending the wastebaskets away.

    • Replies: @iffen
  284. iffen says:
    @Thomm

    these are the prettier white women

    We would be getting rid of traitor genes; doesn’t matter whether they are pretty or not. As a matter of fact, the prettier they are the more valuable it would be to get rid of them and their traitor genes.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  285. Thomm says:
    @iffen

    As a matter of fact, the prettier they are the more valuable it would be to get rid of them and their traitor genes.

    In that case, yes, your objective is accomplished. I commend you on being true to your cause through thick and thin, rather than just a needy woman-worshipping WN loser (as most of them are).

    But the perma-blueballs of the WN losers is not mitigated under your strategy, so they will keep weakening your objective.

    • Replies: @iffen
  286. iffen says:
    @Thomm

    I commend you on being true to your cause through thick and thin

    I’m not a WN, just trying to think from their pov.

    But the perma-blueballs of the WN losers is not mitigated

    WNs in charge would eliminate miscegenation which should produce an approximate 1:1 male/female ratio among whites.

    Not only that the status of non-white men would be so far below that of “any” white man that any women from any other group that could “pass” would in order to take advantage.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  287. Thomm says:
    @iffen

    I’m not a WN, just trying to think from their pov.

    Makes sense, since you seem considerably smarter than the typical WN.

    WNs in charge would eliminate miscegenation which should produce an approximate 1:1 male/female ratio among whites.

    Most white women would either choose to be the mistress of a successful white man, or a nun, rather than have anything to do with a WN loser. 1:1 number by itself does not get a WN anything. Coercion is needed on top of that. That is why the female counterparts of WN losers are the bluehaired feminist twats…

    • Replies: @iffen
  288. iffen says:
    @Thomm

    rather than have anything to do with a WN loser

    By definition the WNs would be the winners.

    And they likely know a little about coercion.

    Makes sense, since you seem considerably smarter than the typical WN.

    Thanks, I guess, accident of birth really.

    Anyway, I just thought that I would help you prove to these ankle-biters that you are not an Indian immigrant.

    Do as you wish with WNs, but leave my white trash and proles alone and I won’t have to take you to task.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  289. Thomm says:
    @iffen

    A person who is simply working class or does not have a fancy education, is not ‘trash’. Far from it. An honest farmer or laborer who doesn’t want handouts is the backbone of America.

    The WN is a different category altogether. Some came from rich parents, but inherited no talents. They are self-loathing and cowardly, and desperately want to take credit for that which they have nothing to do with (and indeed actively undermine).

    Now, there is *some* overlap. For example, this degenerate named Kevin Crawford Kraft is both a WN and an example of dysfunctional trash under the mainstream definition of ‘white trash’.

    http://mugshotssantacruz.com/search/?last_name=KRAFT&first_name=KEVIN&#prof

    He gets arrested once a month on average, then moves to a new town. Crimes include ‘assault with a deadly weapon’ and ‘having sex in public’. Six arrests in six months, just for this town.

    He is quite different from the basement neckbeard WNs in that he gets incarcerated often. But he is a fellow WN.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @iffen
  290. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    Looks like my comment gave the thread some new life. While Thomm’s first post did have some opinion mixed with some more sound observation, it was pretty mild form of criticism judging by internet standards. Now, the issue comes down to this; people like Thomm (or others agreeing with him or sitting on the fence) have certain concerns about WN ideology and the makeup of the group that prevent them from joining. The WNs need to convince these people or at least show them that their assumptions are wrong, etc. or at least dialogue in an intellectually sound way (you posted some replies to him that received responses). The WNs do themselves no favors by responding the way they did – in fact, all they do is provide more evidence for why WN 1.0 hasn’t downloaded and applied the latest patch for its bugs. They remind me of the way Daesh argues – if they can’t soundly defend their position, well they’ll just say you’re not a Muslim. In this case, Thomm was excommunicated from Whiteness since he can’t get with their program.

    Nordic princesses’ traitor genes purged from the white race

    Hey! Are you saying you’re going to off-load your pretty White women on us darkies…why them’s fighting words!!! I suggest carrying through with this threat to show us you guys mean business!

    I haven’t seen any official polls or surveys about the subject, but any videos I have watched of their rallies, conferences, etc. do fundamentally lack a presence of females even chubby, unattractive ones. I’m not talking about one or two sprinkled here and there – that’s not going to help, they are going to be like sharks fighting over a meal trying to get their attention. That’s not going to hep the movement, it’s just going to add another layer of possible reasons to divide over.

    Peace.

    Note: If you see my post #176, I make it clear – if enough of these guys are around and want to go their own way, I’m totally cool with them staking out a few states in the union to start up their dream…or nightmare – whatever the case may be.

    • Replies: @iffen
  291. Talha says:
    @Thomm

    Six arrests in six months, just for this town.

    Dang! Straight up WN Thugg lyfe!

    You go Kevin! You show “the man” that he can’t dictate where you can and can’t have sex!

  292. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Hola Senor,

    put forth by serious white nationalists

    I have to admit – I haven’t seen someone like Jared Taylor speak like this – he speaks more about “white culture” from what I’ve read. I agreed with the comment at #116 that his ideas seem the best way forward for society as a whole.

    defend some good extrinsic to the theory itself

    “Good” must be explained and supported by the theory – it is that encompassing. There are no motivations, or human experiences that can be described as outside the theory since the evolution of the human mind itself is subject to it, and any abstract concepts such as ethics and morals. There is no ghost in your machine, you have no soul – everything (even “choices”) has to be described by genetic composition and advantages in survival.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Anon
  293. iffen says:
    @Thomm

    Now, there is *some* overlap.

    I acknowledge that the white lower classes are fertile ground for WN recruiting. (Not just WN recruiting, but other political, cultural and religious groups.) The white lower classes number in the millions; WNs in the few hundreds, perhaps thousands.

    You seem to equate the two groups and that is my objection.

    Many white proles have views that violate PC norms on race and so forth. This does not make them WNs. Current and recent political events have increased and deepened the racial awareness of many whites, especially and more so in the lower classes, this does not make them WNs. Thinking that whites form a “group” separate from other racial groups does not “make” one a WN.

    I object to the use of the term White Trashionalists because it tries to merge the two groups, not to mention that you are using the term white trash to smear WNs.

    I will NOT allow White Trashionalists to appropriate the success of normal whites.

    Logically you can’t do this. You can only reject the legitimacy of the group “white.” You can reject WNs as having any legitimacy in speaking for the “white” group, and that is within your rights. I reject them as well.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  294. iffen says:
    @Talha

    concerns about WN ideology and the makeup of the group that prevent them from joining. The WNs need to convince these people or at least show them that their assumptions are wrong, etc. or at least dialogue in an intellectually sound way (you posted some replies to him that received responses). The WNs do themselves no favors by responding the way they did

    Talha, I know that I don’t need to explain to you that your reasoning and objections apply only to a very select group.

    The masses required for a white nationalist movement need only a little white book, that’s all.

    This is the same situation with the JQ comments here at Unz, we don’t know whether the commenter is a poseur or not.

    Thomm was excommunicated from Whiteness since he can’t get with their program.

    It seems to me that Thomm returned the favor on the excommunication deal, or actually initiated it.

    Hey! Are you saying you’re going to off-load your pretty White women on us darkies…

    Just the blondes. :)

    fundamentally lack a presence of females even chubby, unattractive ones

    I can see making the argument that if you adopt the political program of white nationalism you can’t get any nice looking women, but that will only affect a few men (or most men some of the time, depending upon ….) I don’t believe it to be true anyway, and like I commented to Thomm, if WNs win, winners by definition get their choice of women. I assume that WNs would be somewhat patriarchal and not be pushing their women into the front lines of street theatre. Although, as the confused writing in this 1.0 article shows there is very little agreement upon what is and what is not and who is and who is not a white nationalist and who gets to decide this.

    I’m totally cool with them staking out a few states in the union to start up their dream…or nightmare – whatever the case may be.

    There are many problems with this idea; it will not work. Anyway, we they want the whole enchilada.

    • Replies: @Talha
  295. iffen says:
    @Talha

    you have no soul

    Say what!?

    • Replies: @Talha
  296. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    only to a very select group

    Yeah – I can see that one’s online experience skews reality:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_Case_of_Dr_Jekyll_and_Mr_Hyde

    we don’t know whether the commenter is a poseur or not.

    Good point – I can see false flag comments being made to push an agenda.

    Just the blondes.

    No sale! If it’s a fight you’re looking for, we darkies demand you throw in the red-heads.

    if WNs win, winners by definition get their choice of women. I assume that WNs would be somewhat patriarchal and not be pushing their women into the front lines of street theatre

    Valid points.

    there is very little agreement upon what is and what is not and who is and who is not a white nationalist and who gets to decide this

    For consideration – this clip calls White supremacists “White nationalists” – is that accurate? An accurate Venn diagram would be helpful:

    https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/894672077684260864

    There are many problems with this idea

    Trust me, I know. But I honestly would not mind moving, say if all these guys congregated in Illinois and started demanding it becoming a haven for Whites. I don’t want to live around the immediate vicinity of those who don’t want to live around me.

    they want the whole enchilada

    And apparently the indigestion that comes with it.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Anon
  297. iffen says:
    @Talha

    this clip calls White supremacists “White nationalists” – is that accurate?

    I have always assumed that it is just wordplay. Supremacist is déclassé and gauche; using nationalist helps to elide the negatives associated with supremacist.

  298. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    In your second paragraph, you seem to equate Darwinism with materialism, a position that would have surprised Darwin (though not of course some of his followers). Personally I’m nowhere near atheism, but I think Darwinism a pretty reasonable theory for the most part. Now, I do not think that the theory of evolution, despite having something to say on the origin of mankind, negates the existence of good and evil, any more than does the theory of embryology, which has much to say on the origin of men. (At least I hope you agree on the latter point, or I’ll make it a point to avoid Muslim doctors in future… : ) ).

    Of course the question of good and evil in a materialistic system is another matter altogether. One might reason that morality, being a concept, is not material, and therefore under the assumptions of materialism does not exist (QED); but that is to attack a straw man, as the vast majority of materialist philosophers obviously do not so think. Personally I do not think that a materialistic view of the world is entirely consistent; the existence of God is a logical necessity and any system which excludes it must be flawed, but despite my philosophy minor I don’t feel entirely competent to argue the matter.

    I don’t know much about Jared Taylor, but from reading Fred Reed on AmRen I get the impression that they don’t place much of an undue emphasis on racial purity.

    Peace, love, and understanding.

    • Replies: @Talha
  299. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Aren’t redheads mostly Celtic? Are they sufficiently white for the whitest of WNs?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @iffen
  300. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    You can’t get around this; the “soul” either has an ontological reality or it doesn’t. If it is not real then it is simply an abstraction (a meta-identity) of a concept of your feelings, experiences, etc. which are all simply underlying neurons firing off and your brain cells’ selective collective memory storage of your life. And that’s all fine, but one should recognize that one’s usage of the term is completely different than what it has meant throughout the vast majority of human (and English) history.

    I’ll never forget when I was talking to a co-worker (an atheist) about this and the concept of the “unseen” and posed to him the question; so you mean that you don’t believe you have a soul. His eyes went a bit wide and he kind of laughed to himself and said; yeah, I guess I don’t. I don’t think he had ever thought of how his beliefs belied his common usage of language which is heavily laden with terms historically derived from a belief in the “unseen”.

    using nationalist helps to elide the negatives associated with supremacist
    Ah – so it seems they are intelligent enough to get that.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  301. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Don’t know – we’ll take them.

  302. Talha says:
    @Anon

    you seem to equate Darwinism with materialism, a position that would have surprised Darwin

    Good point – I was using them reflexively. I also don’t have a problem with the concept of genetic adaptation of organism and their evolution due to selective environmental pressures – that is fairly sound. Once it dovetails with materialism – I have problems; likely the same ones you do.

    Of course the question of good and evil in a materialistic system is another matter altogether.

    And how! Is this practice evil by the female mantis; eating her mates head during copulation? Why or why not? Why does a different “morality” apply to us? We are simply just more complex organic machines:

    Who cares as long as it is a strategy for genetic survival – that is the benchmark after all. The strongest will survive and will write the narrative.

    On the other points, this book was recommended to me by someone. Written by Hugh Gauch who teaches at Cornell on the scientific method. I haven’t read all of it, but here is an interesting tidbit:
    “Methodological naturalism contrasts with metaphysical or ontological naturalism that asserts natural entities exist but nothing is supernatural, as claimed by atheists. Hence, methodological naturalism does not deny that the supernatural exists but rather stipulates that it is outside science’s purview. Unfortunately, methodological naturalism is sometimes confused with ontological naturalism. To insist that science obeys methodological naturalism and that science supports atheism is to get high marks for enthusiasm but low marks for logic.”
    Scientific Method in Brief

    Maybe this is getting too off topic so I’ll simply recommend the book as a good starting point since the recommendation comes from a good source. The discussion is about to ready to wrap up anyway.

    Peace.

  303. Thomm says:
    @iffen

    You can reject WNs as having any legitimacy in speaking for the “white” group, and that is within your rights. I reject them as well.

    This is what my position is. As I said, I have no problem with a poor rural white who is not a WN (and should not be called ‘trash’ either). Conversely, some WNs come from rich, educated backgrounds, but inherited no favorable traits whatsoever which led them to WN.

    The ‘trash’ term I use is different from common usage, due to the wastebasket explanation I also provided. The scion of an elite family can still be a WN and hence a wastebasket…

    • Replies: @iffen
  304. iffen says:
    @Talha

    You can’t get around this; the “soul” either has an ontological reality or it doesn’t.

    This is a bit like the Trinity; it’s best to just believe and not try to reason through the concept.

    For me, a soul (the existence of which I reject) would be an immortal entity not constrained by the physical world and natural laws. A question arises as to how the soul is informed. Is it informed by the physical world, or does the “information” itself have some metaphysical property? If it is informed by the physical world, then the question is how that information from the physical world can be transmuted into some metaphysical form to accompany the “soul” to Abraham’s Bosom. What is the extent of information transmuted into the soul of a baby who dies on the first day? Or, if you think souls are kept on a shelf and God pops them into place during a micro infinity time slot between (during) conception when the zygote goes from non-existence to existence what sort of information will that little soul have to work with for eternity?

    Back on topic, I have been reading at some of these WN sites. You might be a good fit. They reject liberal democracy and insist upon hierarchy and elite control. Just play your Aryan card. :)

    And no, you can’t have the redheads.

    • Replies: @Talha
  305. iffen says:
    @Anon

    Aren’t redheads mostly Celtic?

    I believe this is correct.

    Are they sufficiently white for the whitest of WNs?

    From the reading that I have done it seems to me that most of them use a duck definition for whites. I can see how they would very quickly run into major problems if they tried to put together a definition.

  306. iffen says:
    @Thomm

    due to the wastebasket explanation I also provided.

    You do realize that you share this social Darwinist perspective with WNs.

  307. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    This is a bit like the Trinity; it’s best to just believe and not try to reason through the concept.

    My analogy would be closer to that of angels, heaven, hell, etc. But you are correct, as far as I can tell (and as was formulated by our greatest theologians), there is no way to intrinsically reason these things out especially in details – rather human beings are informed about the unseen from a source from “behind the veil”. This is not to say they are irrational, rather they are supra-rational – again, the quote from Gauch outlines what I’m talking about; they are beyond the realm of the empirically observable/measurable. Essentially, the question comes down to believing in the veracity of the source.

    The details for the soul, such as when it is infused in the human body, prior existence, etc. also come under the umbrella of what needs to be explained from the unseen…
    “And they ask you about the spirit. Say: ‘The spirit is by the command of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little.’” (17:85)

    Just play your Aryan card.

    Joker’s wild?

    And no, you can’t have the redheads.

    That’s OK, we live in the age where Filipinas with some extra cash lying around can be red-heads.

    And here’s hoping that Fishtown gets the attention and resources that they need to get back on track.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  308. iffen says:
    @Talha

    And here’s hoping that Fishtown gets the attention and resources that they need to get back on track.

    Thanks for the kind thought, but I don’t believe attention and resources will do the trick. The residents of Belmont would have to take charge and straighten it out by hook or crook and I don’t see them having the stomach for it.

    It surprised me to learn today how hostile these WN writers and sites are to the white lower classes. Social Darwinist doesn’t even come close to describing them.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  309. Talha says:

    Hey iffen,

    It surprised me to learn today how hostile these WN writers and sites are to the white lower classes.

    I did not know this either – this does not seem intuitive.

    Social Darwinist doesn’t even come close to describing them.

    Yeah – maybe “stupid bastards” is closer to the mark for alienating the potential allies they could most naturally appeal to.

    Peace.

  310. Thomm says:
    @iffen

    It surprised me to learn today how hostile these WN writers and sites are to the white lower classes.

    Well, I could have told you that.

    Remember, many WNs are the sons of successful families, but inherited ZERO talents into their own genome. Hence, they start out living off of their father’s or grandfather’s accomplishments, and after age 30 when that doesn’t fly anymore, start taking credit for the work of people with which they have nothing in common beyond shared ancestry from the European continent.

    These untalented dimwits from successful fathers are also the easiest to provoke into bashing Irish, Italians, and as always, Jews.

    Among the many reasons they bash lower class but non-racist whites is because lower class whites often intermarry with blacks and Hispanics. Plus, a lower-income white who rejects WN is hated for not doing what his self-appointed betters demand. Much like a leftist hates a black conservative…

    A poor, rural white person who works an honest job and is not a WN gets no barbs from me. I actually want to defend them from WN parasitism.

    • Replies: @iffen
  311. iffen says:
    @Thomm

    It surprised me to learn today how hostile these WN writers and sites are to the white lower classes.

    Well, I could have told you that.

    Maybe you should if you are on some sort of crusade against WNs. Calling them losers who can’t get women has a limited band of appeal in the persuasion racket. Also, I fail to see the distinction between what they are saying and what you said here:

    Once again, I am pro-white, in that I don’t want the bottom 20% appropriating the success of successful whites like me.

    and here:

    These White Trashionalists exist as wastebaskets of genetic matter that nature wants to purge (and that white women are successfully obstructing from reproduction). It is almost like for the superbly talented white men and prettiest white women to exist, the waste matter generated has to show up somewhere, and WNs + bluehaired femtwats are the designated wastebaskets.

    Among the many reasons they bash lower class but non-racist whites is because lower class whites often intermarry with blacks and Hispanics.

    Lots of lower class white women in the Deep South are “marrying up” by marrying black men that have a “good job” and he is pleased as punch to have a white wife; everybody’s happy.

    I actually want to defend them from WN parasitism.

    Thanks, we appreciate the help.

    I am definitely going to keep a closer eye on them going forward. Heretofore, I saw that there seemed to be as many WN groups as there were WNs and they were all dialing for devotees and dollars. It absolutely never occurred to me that someone wanting to organize and represent the “white” race would not include all members of the “white” group.

  312. Thomm says:

    Calling them losers who can’t get women has a limited band of appeal in the persuasion racket.

    I find that this is their defining trait, and gets under their skin the most. They worship white women to such a creepy extent that it can be called a goddess cult, yet they are extremely effective in repelling these very white women. Hence, their ideology is a festival of little tiny weisswursts.

    Lots of lower class white women in the Deep South are “marrying up” by marrying black men that have a “good job”

    As they should.

    It absolutely never occurred to me that someone wanting to organize and represent the “white” race would not include all members of the “white” group.

    When something is saturated with loserdom, then everything about them is loserish.

    Note that on this very thread, they say racist things about Irish and Italians. That is their brilliant plan to speak for whites and unite us… See comments #185 and #186.

    • Replies: @Talha
  313. Talha says:
    @Thomm

    When something is saturated with loserdom, then everything about them is loserish.

  314. @Thomm

    Thomm’s views are certainly… original but they fly pretty far off the mark.

    First, I was browsing SF daily during its mid 2000s heyday and there was very little if any White Arian princes worship. If it was, it was marginal. I assume he is making the women-obsessing manospherian mistake of attributing a hilariously more important role than it should to the fairer gender in anything culturally related. The SF usership was clearly delineated along intellectual level, with the idiots described above making out around 2/3 of all users and a good chunk of the rest making up a sort of intelligentsia that couldn’t really be considered culturally Nazi but had nowhere else to go at the time. These ultimately migrated to the Alt-right.

    The Alt-right now – that is WN 2.0 that I suspect Thomm is also touching on – is fundamentally comprised of middle class people, with everything that entails in regards to social success and charisma. The loser Nazi archetype barely applies, while still firmly entrenched in places like Daily Stormer.

  315. Christian Nationalism is the answer and it is what will be.
    It quarantines Jews and Muslims who are a major problem for Whites.
    That leaves Hispanics and the answer to that is border/wall higher wages.
    If the White tradesman and Hispanic tradesman are the same price I am going with White because I think they do better work.
    Christianity keeps our people in better shape and out of the gutter.
    It also excludes the atheist/marxist left parasites.
    Trump is very smart because he is embracing that as Putin has.

  316. Ragno says:
    @Thomm

    Oy….this again. “You are losers!!! – cuz you can’t get high-powered eatin’ pussy!”

    The exact argument of every involuntary eunuch who ever drew breath. Honestly, I think I liked you better back when your name was “Elliot Rodger”.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  317. Thomm says:
    @Ragno

    Yawn… projection from another WN loser.

    I see you can’t respond to my actual points. That is because they are true.

    Heh heh heh heh

    • Replies: @Ragno
  318. Ragno says:
    @Thomm

    I see you can’t respond to my actual points.

    You have no actual points. You have a tired, shopworn schoolyard taunt masquerading as a rational argument. It ends with “heh-heh-heh”, for pity’s sake.

    I originally wrote you off as an antifa troll, but given that you intend to keep the – cough – “discussion” alive with I know you are, but what am I?, I was obviously overrating you: you’re more of a housefly who made it past the screen door. (And if dismissing you as a clown is all it takes to qualify as a “WN”, I would figure you run into ten or twenty “WNs” every day.)

    • Replies: @Thomm
  319. Thomm says:
    @Ragno

    A number of my comments already destroy your points. That includes Comment #1 at the very top of this thread.

    That you don’t see this reminds us yet again that white trashionlists have negro IQs.

    Oh, and Eliot Rodger was a WN. He was the embodiment of every negative trait of the WN.

    Get a clue, faggot.

  320. Svigor says:

    Anti-whites are incapable of debating the issue on the merits. So, they cling desperately to argumentum ad hominem, appeals to authority, etc. The whole catalog of logical fallacies, really. Their very presence here shows their fear of White Zionism. I thank them for their completely bankrupt “arguments.”

  321. Svigor says:

    “White Zionism is just like Jewish Zionism, but for Whites. America’s love of Jewish Zionism shows their hatred of White Zionism to be a temporary, fleeting thing, dependent on tendentious propaganda from Jewish Supremacists and their enablers.”

    *Anti-white sputters, changes subject*

  322. Svigor says:

    The entire US establishment fetes Jewish Nationalism (Zionism), but condemns White Nationalism (White Zionism), because shekels. That’s it. Period, end of story.

    But the ROI on those shekels is steadily diminishing.

    “Quick! Ban free speech! White Americans must not hear it!”

    Lulz.

  323. Svigor says:

    The comments section here really displays how well that “white utopia” would work.

    Anti-white “logic” at work.

    Also in these WN circles not that long ago Eastern and Southern Europeans especially of the Catholic variety were not welcomed. Now they are? What changed?

    By “not that long ago,” the anti-white means “more than a half a century ago.”

    Not that it’s any of his business how Whites define themselves.

  324. Svigor says:

    If WNs want to break out of their current ghetto

    Too late, it’s already happened.

  325. Svigor says:

    A number of my comments already destroy your points. That includes Comment #1 at the very top of this thread.

    Weirdos usually get the first comment. Because obsessed losers.

  326. Svigor says:

    Anyone who acted like Uncle Thomm here, except toward Jews & Jewish Nationalism instead of Whites & White Nationalism, would obviously be called an antisemite by most people (you remember appeals to authority, right Uncle Thomm?). That Americans haven’t tumbled to the fact that Uncle Thomm’s behavior is anti-white is a temporary disconnect, one gradually being corrected.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  327. Svigor says:

    Talha says:
    July 25, 2017 at 5:43 pm GMT • 200 Words
    @iffen

    If so, “People of color” is racist, right? And should be abolished, right? Until then…

    When leftists talk about “White Privilege,” “Whites” as the villains of history, simply using that term, “White,” is racist, right? And has to be stopped? Until then…

  328. Svigor says:

    Your hated is selective, that blinds you to the white elites that are in league with them.

    Wrong. Criticizing “white elites” triggers no one. A ban on such criticism is proposed by no one. Thus criticism of “white elites” doesn’t require men with balls, like myself. I leave it to the timid.

  329. Thomm says:
    @Svigor

    Except that my comments are pro-white. They are just anti-WN/wastebasket.

    A WN loser like you has nothing in common with successful whites, and you are merely a vehicle via which waste matter is removed from the gene pool. In other words, you are a wastebasket.

    I am glad this pollution is being purged from the white gene pool. If you were pro-white, you would be delighted that white women want absolutely nothing to do with WN losers like you.

  330. “Much more politically feasible would be to push for a Canada style immigration policy where only high IQ foreign nationals are allowed to immigrate. That gets you most of the benefits of white nationalism anyway.”

    I don’t know who told you that Canada’s immigration policy selects for high IQ, the idea is patently false. The average IQ for an immigrant to Canada is in the 80′s with the masses coming from the dumbest areas of India, peasants from the Philippines, rural areas of China and Africa. Canada is well on its way to becoming Brazil of the north.

  331. Hello, I just wanted to say what a FANTASTIC article this was. I just finished reading the “Maybe White Nationalism 1.0 wasn’t so bad” article by Occidental Dissent (http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2018/03/06/__trashed-4/), and even though it was written BEFORE this article by almost a year, yours seems to answer many of the assertions that I was going to respond to with my own article; which is why I’m not considering not doing it at all.

    However, being that I am among like minds here, I ended up making a lot of the same points you did here with an article I’ve already published on my own site. I invite you to check it out, and let me know what you think. Thanks, Hail Victory:

    https://www.thewhiteresistance.com/dysgenic-media-influence

    • Replies: @Citizen Shane
  332. @Saxon

    Yeah Saxon, I pretty much agree with you on that. While I don’t resent ALL racially-alien peoples, and even consider some to be closer to us than others whom I wouldn’t want to leave (such as the Asiatic peoples who share a common Neanderthal ancestor with us), that isn’t the same thing as wanting to invite more in. We’ve already reached what I consider to be the diminishing returns of “enrichment,” which in all reality is probably a very small proportion of well-behaved non-white immigrant cultures, and have been quickly sliding into the depths of depravity once these alien cultures were allowed, en masse, to [forcibly] influence and eventually subjugate our native culture as they are now.

    And for critics like @Thomm who I know will take exception to the last claim made in my statement, you can tell it’s our culture which is being subjugated by the fact that it’s the only one you’re not allowed to praise (without ubiquitous criticism) by and in the mainstream press.

    The question of who rules over our society comes down not only to who you aren’t allowed to criticize, but also who you’re not allowed to revere.

  333. @Citizen Shane

    Sorry – I meant to say “[published] AFTER this article by almost a year.” Whoops!

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