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When I first went to Palestine as a young reporter in the 1960s, I stayed on a kibbutz. The people I met were hard-working, spirited and called themselves socialists. I liked them.

One evening at dinner, I asked about the silhouettes of people in the far distance, beyond our perimeter.

“Arabs”, they said, “nomads”. The words were almost spat out. Israel, they said, meaning Palestine, had been mostly wasteland and one of the great feats of the Zionist enterprise was to turn the desert green.

They gave as an example their crop of Jaffa oranges, which was exported to the rest of the world. What a triumph against the odds of nature and humanity’s neglect.

It was the first lie. Most of the orange groves and vineyards belonged to Palestinians who had been tilling the soil and exporting oranges and grapes to Europe since the eighteenth century. The former Palestinian town of Jaffa was known by its previous inhabitants as “the place of sad oranges”.

On the kibbutz, the word “Palestinian” was never used. Why, I asked. The answer was a troubled silence.

All over the colonised world, the true sovereignty of indigenous people is feared by those who can never quite cover the fact, and the crime, that they live on stolen land.

Denying people’s humanity is the next step – as the Jewish people know only too well. Defiling people’s dignity and culture and pride follows as logically as violence.

In Ramallah, following an invasion of the West Bank by the late Ariel Sharon in 2002, I walked through streets of crushed cars and demolished houses, to the Palestinian Cultural Centre. Until that morning, Israeli soldiers had camped there.

I was met by the centre’s director, the novelist, Liana Badr, whose original manuscripts lay scattered and torn across the floor. The hard drive containing her fiction, and a library of plays and poetry had been taken by Israeli soldiers. Almost everything was smashed, and defiled.

Not a single book survived with all its pages; not a single master tape from one of the best collections of Palestinian cinema.

The soldiers had urinated and defecated on the floors, on desks, on embroideries and works of art. They had smeared faeces on children’s paintings and written – in shit – “Born to kill”.

Liana Badr had tears in her eyes, but she was unbowed. She said, “We will make it right again.”

What enrages those who colonise and occupy, steal and oppress, vandalise and defile is the victims’ refusal to comply. And this is the tribute we all should pay the Palestinians. They refuse to comply. They go on. They wait – until they fight again. And they do so even when those governing them collaborate with their oppressors.

In the midst of the 2014 Israeli bombardment of Gaza, the Palestinian journalist Mohammed Omer never stopped reporting. He and his family were stricken; he queued for food and water and carried it through the rubble. When I phoned him, I could hear the bombs outside his door. He refused to comply.

Mohammed’s reports, illustrated by his graphic photographs, were a model of professional journalism that shamed the compliant and craven reporting of the so-called mainstream in Britain and the United States. The BBC notion of objectivity – amplifying the myths and lies of authority, a practice of which it is proud – is shamed every day by the likes of Mohamed Omer.

For more than 40 years, I have recorded the refusal of the people of Palestine to comply with their oppressors: Israel, the United States, Britain, the European Union.

Since 2008, Britain alone has granted licences for export to Israel of arms and missiles, drones and sniper rifles, worth £434 million.

Those who have stood up to this, without weapons, those who have refused to comply, are among Palestinians I have been privileged to know:

My friend, the late Mohammed Jarella, who toiled for the United Nations agency UNRWA, in 1967 showed me a Palestinian refugee camp for the first time. It was a bitter winter’s day and schoolchildren shook with the cold. “One day …” he would say. “One day …”

Mustafa Barghouti, whose eloquence remains undimmed, who described the tolerance that existed in Palestine among Jews, Muslims and Christians until, as he told me, “the Zionists wanted a state at the expense of the Palestinians.”

Dr. Mona El-Farra, a physician in Gaza, whose passion was raising money for plastic surgery for children disfigured by Israeli bullets and shrapnel. Her hospital was flattened by Israeli bombs in 2014.

Dr. Khalid Dahlan, a psychiatrist, whose clinics for children in Gaza — children sent almost mad by Israeli violence — were oases of civilization.

Fatima and Nasser are a couple whose home stood in a village near Jerusalem designated “Zone A and B”, meaning that the land was declared for Jews only. Their parents had lived there; their grandparents had lived there. Today, the bulldozers are laying roads for Jews only, protected by laws for Jews only.

It was past midnight when Fatima went into labour with their second child. The baby was premature; and when they arrived at a checkpoint with the hospital in view, the young Israeli soldier said they needed another document.

Fatima was bleeding badly. The soldier laughed and imitated her moans and told them, “Go home”. The baby was born there in a truck. It was blue with cold and soon, without care, died from exposure. The baby’s name was Sultan.

For Palestinians, these will be familiar stories. The question is: why are they not familiar in London and Washington, Brussels and Sydney?

In Syria, a recent liberal cause — a George Clooney cause — is bankrolled handsomely in Britain and the United States, even though the beneficiaries, the so-called rebels, are dominated by jihadist fanatics, the product of the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq and the destruction of modern Libya.

And yet, the longest occupation and resistance in modern times is not recognized. When the United Nations suddenly stirs and defines Israel as an apartheid state, as it did this year, there is outrage – not against a state whose “core purpose” is racism but against a UN commission that dared break the silence.

“Palestine,” said Nelson Mandela, “is the greatest moral issue of our time.”

Why is this truth suppressed, day after day, month after month, year after year?

On Israel – the apartheid state, guilty of a crime against humanity and of more international law-breaking than any other– the silence persists among those who know and whose job it is to keep the record straight.

On Israel, so much journalism is intimidated and controlled by a groupthink that demands silence on Palestine while honourable journalism has become dissidence: a metaphoric underground.

A single word – “conflict” – enables this silence. “The Arab-Israeli conflict”, intone the robots at their tele-prompters. When a veteran BBC reporter, a man who knows the truth, refers to “two narratives”, the moral contortion is complete.

There is no conflict, no two narratives, with their moral fulcrum. There is a military occupation enforced by a nuclear-armed power backed by the greatest military power on earth; and there is an epic injustice.

The word “occupation” may be banned, deleted from the dictionary. But the memory of historical truth cannot be banned: of the systemic expulsion of Palestinians from their homeland. “Plan D” the Israelis called it in 1948.

The Israeli historian Benny Morris describes how David Ben-Gurion, Israel’s first prime minister, was asked by one of his generals: “What shall we do with the Arabs?”

The prime minister, wrote Morris, “made a dismissive, energetic gesture with his hand”. “Expel them!” he said.

Seventy years later, this crime is suppressed in the intellectual and political culture of the West. Or it is debatable, or merely controversial. Highly-paid journalists and eagerly accept Israeli government trips, hospitality and flattery, then are truculent in their protestations of independence. The term, “useful idiots”, was coined for them.

In 2011, I was struck by the ease with which one of Britain’s most acclaimed novelists, Ian McEwan, a man bathed in the glow of bourgeois enlightenment, accepted the Jerusalem Prize for literature in the apartheid state.

Would McEwan have gone to Sun City in apartheid South Africa? They gave prizes there, too, all expenses paid. McEwan justified his action with weasel words about the independence of “civil society”.

Propaganda – of the kind McEwan delivered, with its token slap on the wrists for his delighted hosts – is a weapon for the oppressors of Palestine. Like sugar, it insinuates almost everything today.

Understanding and deconstructing state and cultural propaganda is our most critical task. We are being frog-marched into a second cold war, whose eventual aim is to subdue and balkanise Russia and intimidate China.

When Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin spoke privately for more than two hours at the G20 meeting in Hamburg, apparently about the need not to go to war with each other, the most vociferous objectors were those who have commandeered liberalism, such as the Zionist political writer of the Guardian.

“No wonder Putin was smiling in Hamburg,” wrote Jonathan Freedland. “He knows he has succeeded in his chief objective: he has made America weak again.” Cue the hissing for Evil Vlad.

These propagandists have never known war but they love the imperial game of war. What Ian McEwan calls “civil society” has become a rich source of related propaganda.

Take a term often used by the guardians of civil society — “human rights”. Like another noble concept, “democracy”, “human rights” has been all but emptied of its meaning and purpose.

Like “peace process” and “road map”, human rights in Palestine have been hijacked by Western governments and the corporate NGOs they fund and which claim a quixotic moral authority.

So when Israel is called upon by governments and NGOs to “respect human rights” in Palestine, nothing happens, because they all know there is nothing to fear; nothing will change.

Mark the silence of the European Union, which accommodates Israel while refusing to maintain its commitments to the people of Gaza — such as keeping the lifeline of the Rafah border crossing open: a measure it agreed to as part of its role in the cessation of fighting in 2014. A seaport for Gaza – agreed by Brussels in 2014 – has been abandoned.

The UN commission I have referred to – its full name is the UN Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia — described Israel as, and I quote, “designed for the core purpose” of racial discrimination.

Millions understand this. What the governments in London, Washington, Brussels and Tel Aviv cannot control is that humanity at street level is changing perhaps as never before.

People everywhere are stirring and are more aware, in my view, than ever before. Some are already in open revolt. The atrocity of Grenfell Tower in London has brought communities together in a vibrant almost national resistance.

Thanks to a people’s campaign, the judiciary is today examining the evidence of a possible prosecution of Tony Blair for war crimes. Even if this fails, it is a crucial development, dismantling yet another barrier between the public and its recognition of the voracious nature of the crimes of state power – the systemic disregard for humanity perpetrated in Iraq, in Grenfell Tower, in Palestine. Those are the dots waiting to be joined.

For most of the 21st century, the fraud of corporate power posing as democracy has depended on the propaganda of distraction: largely on a cult of “me-ism” designed to disorientate our sense of looking out for others, of acting together, of social justice and internationalism.

Class, gender and race were wrenched apart. The personal became the political and the media the message. The promotion of bourgeois privilege was presented as “progressive” politics. It wasn’t. It never is. It is the promotion of privilege, and power.

Among young people, internationalism has found a vast new audience. Look at the support for Jeremy Corbyn and the reception the G20 circus in Hamburg received. By understanding the truth and imperatives of internationalism, and rejecting colonialism, we understand the struggle of Palestine.

Mandela put it this way: “We know only too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians.”

At the heart of the Middle East is the historic injustice in Palestine. Until that is resolved, and Palestinians have their freedom and homeland, and Israelis are Palestinians equality before the law, there will be no peace in the region, or perhaps anywhere.

What Mandela was saying is that freedom itself is precarious while powerful governments can deny justice to others, terrorise others, imprison and kill others, in our name. Israel certainly understands the threat that one day it might have to be normal.

That is why its ambassador to Britain is Mark Regev, well known to journalists as a professional propagandist, and why the “huge bluff” of charges of anti-Semitism, as Ilan Pappe called it, was allowed to contort the Labour Party and undermine Jeremy Corbyn as leader. The point is, it did not succeed.

Events are moving quickly now. The remarkable Boycott, Disinvestment and Sanctions campaign (BDS) is succeeding, day by day; cities and towns, trade unions and student bodies are endorsing it. The British government’s attempt to restrict local councils from enforcing BDS has failed in the courts.

These are not straws in the wind. When the Palestinians rise again, as they will, they may not succeed at first — but they will eventually if we understand that they are us, and we are them.

This is an abridged version of John Pilger’s address to the Palestinian Expo in London on 8 July, 2017. John Pilger’s film, ‘Palestine Is Still the Issue’, can be viewed here.

John Pilger can be reached through his website: www.johnpilger.com

(Republished from Counterpunch by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. DB Cooper says:

    I applaud John Pilger on focusing on this issue. Please check out these photos that will never made it to the MSM.

    http://www.4thmedia.org/2014/07/the-4th-medias-photo-news-on-gaza-massacre-the-ongoing-israeli-war-crimes-crimes-against-humanity-horrible-photos-included/

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    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Wally
    Indeed, it's wake-up time.

    And it's all enabled by the biggest, sleaziest hoax ever.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' .... which are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    The 'holocaust' narrative doesn't hold up to scrutiny so the usual enemies of free speech call for more anti free speech laws, more censorship.


    "Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."

    - Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist
     

    The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
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  2. Zzzzzzzzzzzz.

    They’re just Arabs for Christ’s sake.

    While Israel’s pernicious influence in Western countries must be opposed, it shouldn’t be because of the suffering of Arabs.

    I’ll concede that perhaps we should do something for the Palestinian Christians and in particular holy sites like Bethlehem, but not a finger should be lifted for the Mohammedan population. Mohammedans are not only our enemies but are an objectively inferior population.

    That is pathological altruism and will lead to the extinction of our race unless finally suppressed.

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    • Disagree: Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @Che Guava
    Between the Moslems and the Jews, they've mainly been driven out, from both Israel and its occupied territories in Palestine.

    The tiny portion listed in Israel itself, tiny fraction of one percent, sounds like just the clericals in the sacred sites,

    In the occupied territories, too, they are driven out.

    I am a Christian, but only to accepting some books of the OT, except as entertaining stories, and the wiser ones by Hellenized Jews, the whole 'judaeo-christian' idea is a lie, also of recent manufacture. Did not exist pre-C19, not in current form until post-1948.

    Now why may that be?
    , @jacques sheete

    That is pathological altruism and will lead to the extinction of our race unless finally suppressed.
     
    Not to worry about altruism, pathological or otherwise. We're more likely to become extinct because of our willful denial of the truth, consistent support for the lies, consistent betrayal of our true friends and lack of true altruism.

    As to your claim that Mohammedans are not only our enemies but are an objectively inferior population, you may want to chew on this for a while.

    The US betrayed its allies, the Arab peoples, just as it betrayed the Philippine freedom fighters 20 years previously.


    CAIRO, Egypt, May 27,—The last hope of 30,000,000 Arabs to win freedom for their race without further bloodshed vanished when cables from Washington announced that the United States had concluded an agreement with Great Britain… The Arabs came into the war on the side of the allies against their Turkish co-religionists in- response to the allies’ promise of freedom…The Arab support" was determined and effective.”

    Newspaper article by Junius B. Wood on the American recognition of Britain's mandate in Palestine, Chicago Daily News,27 May 1922 (also The Sunday Star, Washington)

    http://dcollections.oberlin.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/kingcrane/id/1686/rec/18

     

    , @Art
    That is pathological altruism and will lead to the extinction of our race unless finally suppressed.

    Thorfinnson,

    Respecting life is not altruism – it is Christian living.

    The Palestinians were never renowned warriors – Muslim, Christian, and Jew - they had a civil society that traded with Europe for centuries.

    It is the Jew squatters who are the evil ones – you need to get your priorities straight.

    Christians protect the weak and oppressed - period.

    Peace --- Art
    , @attilathehen
    Excellent points. I've been to the Middle East and the Muslims are the worst. They have low IQs (because of Islamic black slavery/first cousin marriage). Israel's influence must be expelled from the West. The best way to deal with this is to deal with the RCC/Zioevangizers. I believe in supporting Israel because Jews have to have their own nation. More than 1/2 of world Jewry now lives in Israel. We have to work on expelling the rest. And you are right that we have to help the Middle Eastern Christians (the Syrians/Lebanese/Iraqis. Most of the Egyptian Copts are black so I have no interest in them.) We need to set aside areas in the Middle East for them.

    But as we focus and deal with the Jews in the West, we also have to deal with the blacks/Asians/Muslims in the West. The RCC/Zioevangizers are a huge problem because they believe in the "universal church," "universal brotherhood, " "Jews are the chosen people." In the USA, the RCC/Zioevangizers are working with blacks/illegal aliens/Asians because so many Caucasians have left their churches. The Caucasians left because of the blacks/Asians. I was a cradle Catholic but left the RCC because I don't accept black/Asian priests-popes. Many Caucasians are converting to the Orthodox church because the churches are racial/ethnic. The RCC/Zioevangiziers think that they can save the blacks/Asians. I also believe in IQ/evolution and know that nothing can be done with these people. If they want to be Christian, they have to have their own churches in their own countries. Also, we have to stress that the Jews are not the chosen. Today's Jews are a miscegenated, meshuggah melange that have nothing to do with the West or Christianity or the Jews of the Old Testament.
    , @Druid
    And you're just a POS descendent of the trashy Viking horde. You should be expelled!
    , @Hi There
    Zionism: 19th eugenics movement writ large; largely made up of colonistic xenophobes. Proof- the above commenter.
  3. Svigor says:

    All over the colonised world, the true sovereignty of indigenous people is feared by those who can never quite cover the fact, and the crime, that they live on stolen land.

    In some ways this is a step in the right direction, but it’s far too kind to Jews, and too harsh to everyone else.

    North America, for example, was before European contact inhabited by Stone Age savages, fierce warriors and hunters who would as soon rape, enslave, torture, mutilate, and murder you as say hello.

    Palestine was inhabited by farmers, laborers, merchants, etc.

    North American natives were warrior tribes who lived by right of conquest. Not only did they live by right of conquest up until European contact, they lived by right of conquest throughout the period of European conquest. Indian tribes routinely allied themselves with Europeans to fight other Indian tribes, Europeans, or coalitions of both.

    Palestine was a civilized region with private property & chain of ownership.

    Europeans colonized North America in a time when such behavior was widely deemed acceptable.

    Human sacrifice was common among American Indians.

    It was unknown among Palestinians.

    Jews colonized Palestine at a time when the age of colonialism was long past; within a generation, Jewish scholarship would be in lockstep with the anti-colonial narrative (except vis-a-vis their own colonialism in Israel), Jews would be all-in protesting the Vietnam War, etc.

    Indian resistance to European conquest ended more than a century ago.

    Palestinians are pretty clear that they want their shit back, and won’t be happy until they get it.

    And all this after the holocaust, which Jews have never stopped harping on.

    There’s really no such comparison to be made between the two.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Your right. Comparing Palestine to the Americas and Australia is absurd. Oranges and apples.
    , @jilles dykstra
    You obviously know nothing about N American Indians.
    I suggest you begin with reading
    ⦁ Paul Kane, 'Wanderings of an artist among the Indians of America', 1859, 1996, New York
    , @ANON
    Off topic don't you think? You forgot to mention that in the USA and Canada the Indians are paid for the lands taken from them. I don't mean what happened 300 years ago, but today.
    The tribes get their own lands, their own governments on those lands and every Indian gets checks from the government. The tribal governments get billions a year which they administer themselves.

    It's basically a perpetual mortgage payment for the Indian lands that were conquered centuries ago. There are more Indians today than there were in 1500.

    The Spanish solved the problem by giving everyone equal rights and intermarriage.

    Again, totally off topic. You are right that the Palestinians are more civilized than the American Indians were 400 years ago.
    There are plenty of sites where your post is more germane to the topic.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    Human sacrifice was common among American Indians.

    It was unknown among Palestinians.
     
    Because when you off the Other, rather than your Own, it isn't much of a sacrifice, is it?
    , @Karl
    3 Svigor > Palestine was a civilized region with private property & chain of ownership

    amazing what good colonial supervision by the (non-Arab) Ottomans could accomplish
  4. Svigor says:

    Zzzzzzzzzzzz.

    They’re just Arabs for Christ’s sake.

    While Israel’s pernicious influence in Western countries must be opposed, it shouldn’t be because of the suffering of Arabs.

    This will be persuasive when I can say “they’re just blacks, for Christ’s sake” around American Jews without controversy. And not before.

    I’ll concede that perhaps we should do something for the Palestinian Christians and in particular holy sites like Bethlehem, but not a finger should be lifted for the Mohammedan population. Mohammedans are not only our enemies but are an objectively inferior population.

    That is pathological altruism and will lead to the extinction of our race unless finally suppressed.

    I’ll continue to criticize Jews for their hypocrisy until they stop strangling white ethnopatriotism in its crib, stop enforcing their hypocritical PC double standards, stop constituting the vanguard of the open borders movement in America, etc., etc., etc.

    Altruism my ass, this is ethnic warfare.

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    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    Criticizing Jewish hypocrisy is fine. I'm even okay with cynically supporting BDS as a tactical move.

    But actually caring about Arab Mohammedans is ridiculous.
  5. My Latin master was formerly the Senior British Sergeant for the Palestine Police in Ramallah up to 1947. He was quite clear that Arab villagers did nothing more than defend themselves against Zionist groups who were deliberately terrorizing them. Terrorism was one sided in Palestine. He singled out the Stern Gang for special mention as terrorists even after Stern himself was shot while escaping custody (not on his watch – in winter 40/41, Stern, a Nazi attempted to do a deal with the German Embassy in Turkey, somewhat threatening to oil supplies when only the UK was at war with Germany). Every time he arrested them, instructions would come from London (ultimately from New York in his opinion) to release them without charges. He didn’t like Begin either, although he was pro Israel during the 1967 war. He did think that the Jews who had entered legally and bought land honestly (not always the case – boundaries between villages were poorly defined) had a right to be there.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    He was quite clear that Arab villagers did nothing more than defend themselves against Zionist groups who were deliberately terrorizing them.
     
    Uri Avnery's book, "1948," makes the same point. He was a soldier then and saw it (actually participated in it) first hand. I have no reason to doubt either his sincerity or his credibility and what he describes in positively chilling.

    For the US money bag crowd to support these monsters and for anyone to make excuses for it is well beyond redemption.
  6. @Svigor

    Zzzzzzzzzzzz.

    They’re just Arabs for Christ’s sake.

    While Israel’s pernicious influence in Western countries must be opposed, it shouldn’t be because of the suffering of Arabs.
     
    This will be persuasive when I can say "they're just blacks, for Christ's sake" around American Jews without controversy. And not before.

    I’ll concede that perhaps we should do something for the Palestinian Christians and in particular holy sites like Bethlehem, but not a finger should be lifted for the Mohammedan population. Mohammedans are not only our enemies but are an objectively inferior population.

    That is pathological altruism and will lead to the extinction of our race unless finally suppressed.
     
    I'll continue to criticize Jews for their hypocrisy until they stop strangling white ethnopatriotism in its crib, stop enforcing their hypocritical PC double standards, stop constituting the vanguard of the open borders movement in America, etc., etc., etc.

    Altruism my ass, this is ethnic warfare.

    Criticizing Jewish hypocrisy is fine. I’m even okay with cynically supporting BDS as a tactical move.

    But actually caring about Arab Mohammedans is ridiculous.

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    • Replies: @Z-man
    In a utopian world the Muslims and Jews would be separated from the Christians and whites, in their own nations or ghettos whatever, unfortunately that doesn't exist. We can't even return those vermin coming from west Africa in creaky boats from landing in Europe, geesh!
    But...we have to start somewhere...(wry grin).
    , @Reg Cæsar

    But actually caring about Arab Mohammedans is ridiculous.
     
    Ask the Copts how much Mohammedan Araby cares about them.
    , @Anonymous
    This is why Whites in Europe will not survive.

    Like blacks, whites can never get beyond the pulls of divide and conquer. So whites will always be the slave to their Jewish masters who know how to pull the strings.
  7. The atrocity of Grenfell Tower in London has brought communities together in a vibrant almost national resistance.

    I agree that Palestinians got a bum rap, and the only real solution is the Priss Plan: Send all Jews in W. Bank to Israel and send all Arabs in Israel to W. Bank. Like the population swap between India and Pakistan(that didn’t go far enough as there are still too many Muslims in India).
    And send the bogus African ‘Jews’ back to Ethiopia. Only nationalism and increased homogeneity can fix this.

    It’s like Kosovo. Sad for the Serbs, but the only workable solution was to make it virtually all Albanian.

    Anyway, where Pilger is utterly bogus is in calling for the Palestinianization of indigenous Britons.

    The darkies told the Brit imperialists to go home. So, they went home. So, why must Britain now be colonized by immigrant-marauders and invaders? How can Pilger denounce Zionist takeover of Palestine but then endorse Afro-Islamic takeover of UK?

    Grenfell Tower of Bable is the result of demographic imperialism by the ghastly Muslims and Africans. It is a form of Occupation.

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    • Replies: @David
    Calling the burning of Grenfell Tower an atrocity reduces the persuasiveness of the whole article by at least half.
    , @Zenarchy

    It’s like Kosovo. Sad for the Serbs, but the only workable solution was to make it virtually all Albanian.
     
    Nothing is solved by making ANYTHING all Albanian. You should live in the Balkans to understand this better. These people should all be thrown out of Europe, especially now they're more than 90 percent Muslim (although Bosnian Muslims ARE at least 2 levels of civilized above Albanians).
    , @peterAUS

    It’s like Kosovo. Sad for the Serbs, but the only workable solution was to make it virtually all Albanian.
     
    An interesting point.

    Please bear with me.

    There WAS a quite workable solution being implemented there before the "Merciful Angel" kicked in.

    And, that's one of puzzling and amusing things one gets when chatting on the Web.

    Why THAT solution is seen as "unworkable", "impossible", "simply not realistic" etc?

    That's relating to the current influx of ......."migrants"..........in the Europe.

    Ha...ha....how about this (just a joke.....a joke...)?

    The European West hires the Serb veterans from wars in former Yugoslavia and just tasks them with .........relocating........."migrants"..............back.

    Say, just put the vets together and give them German logistical support.
    I am positive they'd organize themselves in three days tops.
    Give them one month..................................

    Would it work?
    , @Che Guava
    Pilger makes many good points at times, but is a boring non-stop Jeremiad much of the time now.

    However, I would rate this one as at least 3/4 great and informative. The other quarter or so ...

    Still, a good pick by Ron Unz.
  8. David says:
    @Priss Factor
    The atrocity of Grenfell Tower in London has brought communities together in a vibrant almost national resistance.

    I agree that Palestinians got a bum rap, and the only real solution is the Priss Plan: Send all Jews in W. Bank to Israel and send all Arabs in Israel to W. Bank. Like the population swap between India and Pakistan(that didn't go far enough as there are still too many Muslims in India).
    And send the bogus African 'Jews' back to Ethiopia. Only nationalism and increased homogeneity can fix this.

    It's like Kosovo. Sad for the Serbs, but the only workable solution was to make it virtually all Albanian.

    Anyway, where Pilger is utterly bogus is in calling for the Palestinianization of indigenous Britons.

    The darkies told the Brit imperialists to go home. So, they went home. So, why must Britain now be colonized by immigrant-marauders and invaders? How can Pilger denounce Zionist takeover of Palestine but then endorse Afro-Islamic takeover of UK?

    Grenfell Tower of Bable is the result of demographic imperialism by the ghastly Muslims and Africans. It is a form of Occupation.

    Calling the burning of Grenfell Tower an atrocity reduces the persuasiveness of the whole article by at least half.

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    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @Wally
    I agree.

    Pilger is drinking the Marxist Kool Aid and will shoot himself and his excellent observations about the true evils of Zionism in the foot if he continues that approach.

    The Grenfell Tower fire was caused by the moronic Left / Green insistence of using flammable materials as cladding on the building.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/18/did-uk-government-climate-mania-contribute-to-the-grenfell-tower-disaster/

  9. Svigor says:

    Thor, I barely read the comments you made & that I “responded” too. I think I must’ve been on my way out the door or something.

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  10. Zenarchy says:
    @Priss Factor
    The atrocity of Grenfell Tower in London has brought communities together in a vibrant almost national resistance.

    I agree that Palestinians got a bum rap, and the only real solution is the Priss Plan: Send all Jews in W. Bank to Israel and send all Arabs in Israel to W. Bank. Like the population swap between India and Pakistan(that didn't go far enough as there are still too many Muslims in India).
    And send the bogus African 'Jews' back to Ethiopia. Only nationalism and increased homogeneity can fix this.

    It's like Kosovo. Sad for the Serbs, but the only workable solution was to make it virtually all Albanian.

    Anyway, where Pilger is utterly bogus is in calling for the Palestinianization of indigenous Britons.

    The darkies told the Brit imperialists to go home. So, they went home. So, why must Britain now be colonized by immigrant-marauders and invaders? How can Pilger denounce Zionist takeover of Palestine but then endorse Afro-Islamic takeover of UK?

    Grenfell Tower of Bable is the result of demographic imperialism by the ghastly Muslims and Africans. It is a form of Occupation.

    It’s like Kosovo. Sad for the Serbs, but the only workable solution was to make it virtually all Albanian.

    Nothing is solved by making ANYTHING all Albanian. You should live in the Balkans to understand this better. These people should all be thrown out of Europe, especially now they’re more than 90 percent Muslim (although Bosnian Muslims ARE at least 2 levels of civilized above Albanians).

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    • Replies: @ANON
    Priss inserts his or her ignorance into every topic. He she doesn't even know the most basic facts about human reproduction but rants and raves about that continually no matter what the topic.

    You are right that Albanians are the very worst bandit human trafficking tribe of vicious pimps on earth.

  11. windwheel says: • Website

    Fascinating.

    I was under the impression that the majority of Palestinians had become fed up with the Grand Mufti’s clique and were indeed more peaceably inclined in the forties than they had been when Charles Tegart suppressed them with his Alsatian dogs.

    I recall reading- I think in Joan Littlewood’s memoirs- that there was a brief backlash after the bombing of the King David Hotel by Begin. However, horror at the holocaust counter balanced this. In any case, most of the Israeli Right wing had helped defeat German plans in Iraq and- I believe- also their machinations in Afghanistan aimed at India.

    Taking a longer view, Zionism doesn’t look so out of place in the region. We think of Herzl as a European but the truth is he was accommodating himself to the Ottoman way of doing things. For example, he kept silent about the Armenian genocide- I believe the only one of his associates to do so- to curry favour with Abdul Hamid. But the pattern of dispossession in Palestine is something that had always been going on- indeed, is still going on.

    I suppose Israel is different from its neighbours in one startling particular- vz. its Army seems to be able to actually raise productivity rather than crowd out beneficial investment.
    However, it has its own demographic time bomb involving the ultra orthodox and over time might blend in better with its neighbours.

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  12. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Svigor

    All over the colonised world, the true sovereignty of indigenous people is feared by those who can never quite cover the fact, and the crime, that they live on stolen land.
     
    In some ways this is a step in the right direction, but it's far too kind to Jews, and too harsh to everyone else.

    North America, for example, was before European contact inhabited by Stone Age savages, fierce warriors and hunters who would as soon rape, enslave, torture, mutilate, and murder you as say hello.

    Palestine was inhabited by farmers, laborers, merchants, etc.

    North American natives were warrior tribes who lived by right of conquest. Not only did they live by right of conquest up until European contact, they lived by right of conquest throughout the period of European conquest. Indian tribes routinely allied themselves with Europeans to fight other Indian tribes, Europeans, or coalitions of both.

    Palestine was a civilized region with private property & chain of ownership.

    Europeans colonized North America in a time when such behavior was widely deemed acceptable.

    Human sacrifice was common among American Indians.

    It was unknown among Palestinians.

    Jews colonized Palestine at a time when the age of colonialism was long past; within a generation, Jewish scholarship would be in lockstep with the anti-colonial narrative (except vis-a-vis their own colonialism in Israel), Jews would be all-in protesting the Vietnam War, etc.

    Indian resistance to European conquest ended more than a century ago.

    Palestinians are pretty clear that they want their shit back, and won't be happy until they get it.

    And all this after the holocaust, which Jews have never stopped harping on.

    There's really no such comparison to be made between the two.

    Your right. Comparing Palestine to the Americas and Australia is absurd. Oranges and apples.

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    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    It is not just the tragedy of the Palestinians since 1948, it is the Israeli power politics around Israel.
    As senator Hollings stated in 2004, Bush jr promised AIPAC to attack Iraq, in order to get the jewish vote.
    In order to get a pretext he organised Sept 11.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    There was no Israel during the the fall of Christian Constantinople, the Andalus, Battle of Lepanto, the Barbary pirates, etc. Don't let those guys fool you into thinking that's the main issue.
    Muslims are land-grabbers. It's what they do. It's what they have always done and will continue to do.
    Israel is certainly no less corrupt than your average South American dictatorship, but it likes its tourist economy, so it will preserve things like the Via Dolorosa and the Tomb of Christ, even if it doesn't like YOU.
    Muslims not only blow up objects of other religions' veneration, such as centuries-old Buddhist Statues and millennia-old pre-Islamic idols in in what is now Iraq, they also blow up their own. They blew up the tomb thought to be Jonah's, although he is accepted in Islam as the prophet Yunnus. Some wanted to blow up Mohammed's tomb, as they thought devotion to him was a form of idolatry.
    The Muslim Brotherhood wanted to blow up, or at least wax over, the Sphinx and the Great Pyramids. So much for whatever is left of Egypt's tourist economy, which was quite healthy when H'wood was filming "The Ten Commandments" and James Bond movies on location with the full cooperation of the Egyptian government.
    They don't just go after religion. They go after history. They would not hesitate to blow up Sutton Hoo or Oseberg and then pretend they never existed. Allah forbid that any culture besides their own gain credit for its achievements!
    THAT is the issue.
  13. All over the colonised world, the true sovereignty of indigenous people is feared by those who can never quite cover the fact, and the crime, that they live on stolen land.

    First of all, this is article is unreadably bad. But I want to address the above point:

    Russia had no right to dispossess the indigenous inhabitants of Siberia, the Euros had no right to do the same to the same in the Americas and Australia but the Land of Israel is a completely different situation. Comparing the totally unjust colonial conquests of the past with Jewish settlement in the Land of Israel is outrageous.

    The entire world belongs to The Creator. He reserved the Land of Israel for his Chosen People. Yes, the Palestinians have been living in the Land of Israel since time immemorial* but that ignores the fact that they never had the right to be there in the first place. The Land was given to the Jews 4000 years ago by G-d at which point the indigenous inhabitants where required to accept Jewish rule or depart.

    An unlawful squatter does not have the right to cry foul when the rightful owner of a property evicts him.

    But all this is beside the point. In this article we hear not just praise of the totally worthless Palestinian people, but also a promise that they will eventually be able to take the Land of Israel from the rightful Jewish owners. I have been hearing this nonsense my entire life from Palestinian lovers, but what I never hear is “when” or “how”?

    I have pointed this out to the retards here many times, but I will do so again:
    1. Israel has 150 nuclear warheads on hand and produces an additional 3 every year.
    2. Israel has a stronger technological base than the entire Arab/Islamic world combined.
    3. The Arab/Islamic world is second only to African blacks in military ineptitude and have failed miserably every time they have attempted to challenge us on the open field. They resort to terrorism not just against the Jews, but against every adversary they ever face because they are incapable of fighting any other way.

    So when are you going to destroy Israel? You have been talking about it since 1948 and all that has happened is that the Jews have continued to grow, to get stronger and to settle more of the Land, while that Palestinians continue to get squeezed, in the words of the late Raful Eitan, “like cockroaches in a bottle”. So far the pattern seems to be the more you talk about the imminent victory of the Palestinians, the more desperate their situation becomes.

    But a more important question, perhaps, is “how?”. The Arab Islamic world have already shown it isn’t up to militarily defeating Israel. It can’t even meaningfully retaliate when we slaughter Palestinians by the thousands or kill their leaders and scientists. So really you would need an outside force to take the Land of Israel. Western Europe is a military joke, so they are out. The United States is less than 50 years from breaking apart so the US is out as well. China is a regional state that has never shown any interest whatsoever in the plight of the Palestinians.

    So that leaves Russia. But Russia can’t even get back Syria for their client Assad. The Russian people also have never demonstrated any interest at all in the Palestinians. And even if Russia were to develop the military capability AND the interest to conquer the Land of Israel, exactly how many of their population centers would they be willing to sacrifice in order to do so? We already have 150 nuclear warheads, that number will be 250 minimum (probably double that as Israel looks to expand it’s nuclear program with additional reactors) in 30 years which is the earliest possible time Russia would be ready to militarily challenge Israel. The loss of 250 of Russia’s largest cities would end Russia as a functioning state: is your thesis that the Russian people are willing to essentially commit suicide so that the Palestinians can resume their illegal squatting in Jewish land?

    You love the Palestinians and that’s fine. You think, or at least pretend to think, that the Palestinians will eventually take the country back and that’s fine too. But you owe it to non retards who have had to listen to your bullshit for more than half a century now exactly when and how the Palestinians will achieve such a victory.

    *Pretty much every serious Jewish scholar admits as much. Saying that the Jews claim that the Land was uninhabited prior to our return is a straw man when only a few extremist idiots who nobody pays any mind actually do make such a claim.

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    • Replies: @Z-man
    Greasy scuzz ball Zionist kikenvermin hasbara-ist. Wow, I outdid myself, lol.
    The Palestinians will regain their dignity from the alien invaders sooner or later. Military might and the control of America will not be enough for the Zionist Beast to prevail. The 'will' of the Palestinians not to succumb and the fact that they are on the right side of history, and the truth, will prevail. The Zionist Entity will also disintegrate from within as many who have a conscience will not be able to support the regime and others will just abandon it or even fight against it. Palestine will be reborn where Muslims, Jews and most importantly Christians will live in harmony. Jesus will see to this, you Christ killing vermin.
    ....Or, the Zionists will win unconditionally and destroy all pretense of the moral authority of the West and will bring on Armageddon and then the Second Coming will occur and you Zionist vermin will lose anyway. So either way you lose since you are the cursed children of the Devil.
    , @jacques sheete

    He reserved the Land of Israel for his Chosen People.
     
    That agreement has long ago became null and void since it was based on the idea that "His People" would behave themselves according to his directives.

    However, they were forever screwing up and that "covenant" was nullified repeatedly, so he kicked them out repeatedly.

    He'll most probably do it again. And again. Only the timing is in doubt.
    , @Expletive Deleted

    We already have 150 nuclear warheads, that number will be 250 minimum (probably double that as Israel looks to expand it’s nuclear program with additional reactors) in 30 years which is the earliest possible time Russia would be ready to militarily challenge Israel. The loss of 250 of Russia’s largest cities would end Russia as a functioning state
     
    Go ahead punk ...
    If the ruskies got even half-a-dozen of theirs off, accurately, the whole of Eretz Israel would melt and dribble into the Med. Those boys don't give a monkey's about collateral (a.k.a. Palestinians). Or God, come to that, you pharisaical vowel-skimping blusterer. You spongers only survive economically due to perpetual extortion of Americans and Germans. How much longer will they put up with that?
    , @Anonymous
    The people who call themselves Jews today aren't the same people who were designated as the Chosen People.

    They come from Eastern Europe and took over Judaisim. So no, the current inhabitants aren't entitled to anything.
    , @Druid
    Chosen people my blue-black arse. Self chosen rubbish is what you should say!
    , @anarchyst
    "God" is not a "real estate agent...the "state of Israel" is actually a "state of mind". One could argue that the United States of America is "the new Israel" as our Constitutionally limited republic has been taken over by Zionist jews...
  14. Wally says: • Website
    @DB Cooper
    I applaud John Pilger on focusing on this issue. Please check out these photos that will never made it to the MSM.

    http://www.4thmedia.org/2014/07/the-4th-medias-photo-news-on-gaza-massacre-the-ongoing-israeli-war-crimes-crimes-against-humanity-horrible-photos-included/

    Indeed, it’s wake-up time.

    And it’s all enabled by the biggest, sleaziest hoax ever.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ …. which are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    The ‘holocaust’ narrative doesn’t hold up to scrutiny so the usual enemies of free speech call for more anti free speech laws, more censorship.

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”

    - Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

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  15. Wally says:
    @David
    Calling the burning of Grenfell Tower an atrocity reduces the persuasiveness of the whole article by at least half.

    I agree.

    Pilger is drinking the Marxist Kool Aid and will shoot himself and his excellent observations about the true evils of Zionism in the foot if he continues that approach.

    The Grenfell Tower fire was caused by the moronic Left / Green insistence of using flammable materials as cladding on the building.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/18/did-uk-government-climate-mania-contribute-to-the-grenfell-tower-disaster/

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    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    Wally,

    Why did the Grenfell Tower burn so long & avoided disintegration into its footprint like the three W.T.C. towers?

    9-11 "mastermind," K.S.M., must have counted upon a more flammable brand of steel used to construct the W.T.C. towers?

    The 19 Arab hijackers were fortunate to not have to contend with more fire resistant steel like that common to Grenfell Tower.

    Perhaps Sheffield steel was used @ Grenfell? Could such product withstand the "cladding" heat of the combustible Greens?

    Grenfell Tower did not collapse into its footprint. Contrast this reality with the three W.T.C. tower collapses and "We have a problem, Houston."
  16. @Svigor

    All over the colonised world, the true sovereignty of indigenous people is feared by those who can never quite cover the fact, and the crime, that they live on stolen land.
     
    In some ways this is a step in the right direction, but it's far too kind to Jews, and too harsh to everyone else.

    North America, for example, was before European contact inhabited by Stone Age savages, fierce warriors and hunters who would as soon rape, enslave, torture, mutilate, and murder you as say hello.

    Palestine was inhabited by farmers, laborers, merchants, etc.

    North American natives were warrior tribes who lived by right of conquest. Not only did they live by right of conquest up until European contact, they lived by right of conquest throughout the period of European conquest. Indian tribes routinely allied themselves with Europeans to fight other Indian tribes, Europeans, or coalitions of both.

    Palestine was a civilized region with private property & chain of ownership.

    Europeans colonized North America in a time when such behavior was widely deemed acceptable.

    Human sacrifice was common among American Indians.

    It was unknown among Palestinians.

    Jews colonized Palestine at a time when the age of colonialism was long past; within a generation, Jewish scholarship would be in lockstep with the anti-colonial narrative (except vis-a-vis their own colonialism in Israel), Jews would be all-in protesting the Vietnam War, etc.

    Indian resistance to European conquest ended more than a century ago.

    Palestinians are pretty clear that they want their shit back, and won't be happy until they get it.

    And all this after the holocaust, which Jews have never stopped harping on.

    There's really no such comparison to be made between the two.

    You obviously know nothing about N American Indians.
    I suggest you begin with reading
    ⦁ Paul Kane, ‘Wanderings of an artist among the Indians of America’, 1859, 1996, New York

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  17. @anon
    Your right. Comparing Palestine to the Americas and Australia is absurd. Oranges and apples.

    It is not just the tragedy of the Palestinians since 1948, it is the Israeli power politics around Israel.
    As senator Hollings stated in 2004, Bush jr promised AIPAC to attack Iraq, in order to get the jewish vote.
    In order to get a pretext he organised Sept 11.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    What have you been smoking! George W. Bush could organise 9/11???

    And tell us about "the Jewish vote". Just name one state where the Jewish vote got George W. Bush over the line and was counted on to do so? Did I hear a squeak about Florida? Tell us about the Jewish vote there and what their issues were. Hey guys, remember that BBQ in Miami where Governor Bush said "i want to tell y'all - oh sorry that's Texas speaking - that right at the top of my agenda will be no more foreign adventures except there's my Pappy's unfinished business in Iraq".
    , @prusmc
    If he promised them to attack Iraq gain the Jewish vote he got swindled. How about Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties vote in 2000? Wasn't those the places were late absentee ballots post marked Israel were vounted and overseas military ballots were voided?
    But he was a sap, so he probably did make such a bargain.
  18. Che Guava says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Zzzzzzzzzzzz.

    They're just Arabs for Christ's sake.

    While Israel's pernicious influence in Western countries must be opposed, it shouldn't be because of the suffering of Arabs.

    I'll concede that perhaps we should do something for the Palestinian Christians and in particular holy sites like Bethlehem, but not a finger should be lifted for the Mohammedan population. Mohammedans are not only our enemies but are an objectively inferior population.

    That is pathological altruism and will lead to the extinction of our race unless finally suppressed.

    Between the Moslems and the Jews, they’ve mainly been driven out, from both Israel and its occupied territories in Palestine.

    The tiny portion listed in Israel itself, tiny fraction of one percent, sounds like just the clericals in the sacred sites,

    In the occupied territories, too, they are driven out.

    I am a Christian, but only to accepting some books of the OT, except as entertaining stories, and the wiser ones by Hellenized Jews, the whole ‘judaeo-christian’ idea is a lie, also of recent manufacture. Did not exist pre-C19, not in current form until post-1948.

    Now why may that be?

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  19. peterAUS says:
    @Priss Factor
    The atrocity of Grenfell Tower in London has brought communities together in a vibrant almost national resistance.

    I agree that Palestinians got a bum rap, and the only real solution is the Priss Plan: Send all Jews in W. Bank to Israel and send all Arabs in Israel to W. Bank. Like the population swap between India and Pakistan(that didn't go far enough as there are still too many Muslims in India).
    And send the bogus African 'Jews' back to Ethiopia. Only nationalism and increased homogeneity can fix this.

    It's like Kosovo. Sad for the Serbs, but the only workable solution was to make it virtually all Albanian.

    Anyway, where Pilger is utterly bogus is in calling for the Palestinianization of indigenous Britons.

    The darkies told the Brit imperialists to go home. So, they went home. So, why must Britain now be colonized by immigrant-marauders and invaders? How can Pilger denounce Zionist takeover of Palestine but then endorse Afro-Islamic takeover of UK?

    Grenfell Tower of Bable is the result of demographic imperialism by the ghastly Muslims and Africans. It is a form of Occupation.

    It’s like Kosovo. Sad for the Serbs, but the only workable solution was to make it virtually all Albanian.

    An interesting point.

    Please bear with me.

    There WAS a quite workable solution being implemented there before the “Merciful Angel” kicked in.

    And, that’s one of puzzling and amusing things one gets when chatting on the Web.

    Why THAT solution is seen as “unworkable”, “impossible”, “simply not realistic” etc?

    That’s relating to the current influx of …….”migrants”……….in the Europe.

    Ha…ha….how about this (just a joke…..a joke…)?

    The European West hires the Serb veterans from wars in former Yugoslavia and just tasks them with ………relocating………”migrants”…………..back.

    Say, just put the vets together and give them German logistical support.
    I am positive they’d organize themselves in three days tops.
    Give them one month…………………………….

    Would it work?

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  20. I find it hard to get misty-eyed for Palestinians or Israelis, but a lot of what you think of as “Palestine” was the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah three millenia ago. In the same way Spain is looked upon as an occupied land to one day be retaken, Israel is just lost land that was re-taken. To the comment above about Australia and the US being a different story, they are indeed different, because they were outright conquests … not that there is anything wrong with that.

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    • Replies: @Z-man

    In the same way Spain is looked upon as an occupied land to one day be retaken,
     
    You make no sense you Zionist troll.
    , @chris
    Well than, what was wrong with the Euroean conquest of Africa in the 19th century, didn't we all originate from there?
  21. Che Guava says:

    I must be adding psalms, many from ancient Egypt, and parts of the early parts, from ancient Sumeria.

    Hell, it was Greeks that codified the OT, Jews later made their own version in response to Christianity, with twists of phrasing.

    Personally, I am a Marcionite, I believe that his original canon was the most authentic, not least because the earliest, and he rejected the OT.

    Not that I don’t like other parts of the NT canon. It is claimed that Marcion redacted parts of his slim collection, I strongly believe that the opposite is the case, they were the pure versions, of those in his canon, the later versions had interpolations to set up OT connections.

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  22. Che Guava says:
    @Priss Factor
    The atrocity of Grenfell Tower in London has brought communities together in a vibrant almost national resistance.

    I agree that Palestinians got a bum rap, and the only real solution is the Priss Plan: Send all Jews in W. Bank to Israel and send all Arabs in Israel to W. Bank. Like the population swap between India and Pakistan(that didn't go far enough as there are still too many Muslims in India).
    And send the bogus African 'Jews' back to Ethiopia. Only nationalism and increased homogeneity can fix this.

    It's like Kosovo. Sad for the Serbs, but the only workable solution was to make it virtually all Albanian.

    Anyway, where Pilger is utterly bogus is in calling for the Palestinianization of indigenous Britons.

    The darkies told the Brit imperialists to go home. So, they went home. So, why must Britain now be colonized by immigrant-marauders and invaders? How can Pilger denounce Zionist takeover of Palestine but then endorse Afro-Islamic takeover of UK?

    Grenfell Tower of Bable is the result of demographic imperialism by the ghastly Muslims and Africans. It is a form of Occupation.

    Pilger makes many good points at times, but is a boring non-stop Jeremiad much of the time now.

    However, I would rate this one as at least 3/4 great and informative. The other quarter or so …

    Still, a good pick by Ron Unz.

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  23. Sherman says:

    “The remarkable Boycott, Disinvestment and Sanctions campaign (BDS) is succeeding”

    I guess someone forgot to tell this to Indian PM Modi who was just in Israel and agreed to buy billions of dollars worth of Israeli weapons, hi tech and agricultural products.

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    • Replies: @Z-man
    Well the Indians and the Zionists have one thing in common, the same enemy. But this too will pass. Modi is becoming a bigger and bigger ass hole with each passing day. Kashmir valley is Pakistani!! (Grin)
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Isn't BDS about products of the West Bank?
    , @Art
    I guess someone forgot to tell this to Indian PM Modi who was just in Israel and agreed to buy billions of dollars worth of Israeli weapon


    The Jew Matrix produces more arms per capita then any other tribe on the planet.

    You must be proud.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Lies too!
  24. Z-man says:

    Great article if maybe one or two paragraphs to long for the AADD addled like me.

    What enrages those who colonise and occupy, steal and oppress, vandalise and defile is the victims’ refusal to comply. And this is the tribute we all should pay the Palestinians. They refuse to comply. They go on. They wait – until they fight again. And they do so even when those governing them collaborate with their oppressors.

    Great quote.

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  25. Z-man says:
    @Sherman
    "The remarkable Boycott, Disinvestment and Sanctions campaign (BDS) is succeeding"

    I guess someone forgot to tell this to Indian PM Modi who was just in Israel and agreed to buy billions of dollars worth of Israeli weapons, hi tech and agricultural products.

    Well the Indians and the Zionists have one thing in common, the same enemy. But this too will pass. Modi is becoming a bigger and bigger ass hole with each passing day. Kashmir valley is Pakistani!! (Grin)

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  26. Z-man says:
    @The Alarmist
    I find it hard to get misty-eyed for Palestinians or Israelis, but a lot of what you think of as "Palestine" was the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah three millenia ago. In the same way Spain is looked upon as an occupied land to one day be retaken, Israel is just lost land that was re-taken. To the comment above about Australia and the US being a different story, they are indeed different, because they were outright conquests ... not that there is anything wrong with that.

    In the same way Spain is looked upon as an occupied land to one day be retaken,

    You make no sense you Zionist troll.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    In the same way Spain is looked upon as an occupied land to one day be retaken,
     
    You make no sense you Zionist troll.
     
    Give them Palestine today, they'll want al-Andalus tomorrow. Why wouldn't they? It's human nature.

    And noticing it isn't "trollery".
  27. Z-man says:
    @Greasy William

    All over the colonised world, the true sovereignty of indigenous people is feared by those who can never quite cover the fact, and the crime, that they live on stolen land.
     
    First of all, this is article is unreadably bad. But I want to address the above point:

    Russia had no right to dispossess the indigenous inhabitants of Siberia, the Euros had no right to do the same to the same in the Americas and Australia but the Land of Israel is a completely different situation. Comparing the totally unjust colonial conquests of the past with Jewish settlement in the Land of Israel is outrageous.

    The entire world belongs to The Creator. He reserved the Land of Israel for his Chosen People. Yes, the Palestinians have been living in the Land of Israel since time immemorial* but that ignores the fact that they never had the right to be there in the first place. The Land was given to the Jews 4000 years ago by G-d at which point the indigenous inhabitants where required to accept Jewish rule or depart.

    An unlawful squatter does not have the right to cry foul when the rightful owner of a property evicts him.

    But all this is beside the point. In this article we hear not just praise of the totally worthless Palestinian people, but also a promise that they will eventually be able to take the Land of Israel from the rightful Jewish owners. I have been hearing this nonsense my entire life from Palestinian lovers, but what I never hear is "when" or "how"?

    I have pointed this out to the retards here many times, but I will do so again:
    1. Israel has 150 nuclear warheads on hand and produces an additional 3 every year.
    2. Israel has a stronger technological base than the entire Arab/Islamic world combined.
    3. The Arab/Islamic world is second only to African blacks in military ineptitude and have failed miserably every time they have attempted to challenge us on the open field. They resort to terrorism not just against the Jews, but against every adversary they ever face because they are incapable of fighting any other way.

    So when are you going to destroy Israel? You have been talking about it since 1948 and all that has happened is that the Jews have continued to grow, to get stronger and to settle more of the Land, while that Palestinians continue to get squeezed, in the words of the late Raful Eitan, "like cockroaches in a bottle". So far the pattern seems to be the more you talk about the imminent victory of the Palestinians, the more desperate their situation becomes.

    But a more important question, perhaps, is "how?". The Arab Islamic world have already shown it isn't up to militarily defeating Israel. It can't even meaningfully retaliate when we slaughter Palestinians by the thousands or kill their leaders and scientists. So really you would need an outside force to take the Land of Israel. Western Europe is a military joke, so they are out. The United States is less than 50 years from breaking apart so the US is out as well. China is a regional state that has never shown any interest whatsoever in the plight of the Palestinians.

    So that leaves Russia. But Russia can't even get back Syria for their client Assad. The Russian people also have never demonstrated any interest at all in the Palestinians. And even if Russia were to develop the military capability AND the interest to conquer the Land of Israel, exactly how many of their population centers would they be willing to sacrifice in order to do so? We already have 150 nuclear warheads, that number will be 250 minimum (probably double that as Israel looks to expand it's nuclear program with additional reactors) in 30 years which is the earliest possible time Russia would be ready to militarily challenge Israel. The loss of 250 of Russia's largest cities would end Russia as a functioning state: is your thesis that the Russian people are willing to essentially commit suicide so that the Palestinians can resume their illegal squatting in Jewish land?

    You love the Palestinians and that's fine. You think, or at least pretend to think, that the Palestinians will eventually take the country back and that's fine too. But you owe it to non retards who have had to listen to your bullshit for more than half a century now exactly when and how the Palestinians will achieve such a victory.



    *Pretty much every serious Jewish scholar admits as much. Saying that the Jews claim that the Land was uninhabited prior to our return is a straw man when only a few extremist idiots who nobody pays any mind actually do make such a claim.

    Greasy scuzz ball Zionist kikenvermin hasbara-ist. Wow, I outdid myself, lol.
    The Palestinians will regain their dignity from the alien invaders sooner or later. Military might and the control of America will not be enough for the Zionist Beast to prevail. The ‘will’ of the Palestinians not to succumb and the fact that they are on the right side of history, and the truth, will prevail. The Zionist Entity will also disintegrate from within as many who have a conscience will not be able to support the regime and others will just abandon it or even fight against it. Palestine will be reborn where Muslims, Jews and most importantly Christians will live in harmony. Jesus will see to this, you Christ killing vermin.
    ….Or, the Zionists will win unconditionally and destroy all pretense of the moral authority of the West and will bring on Armageddon and then the Second Coming will occur and you Zionist vermin will lose anyway. So either way you lose since you are the cursed children of the Devil.

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    Average Palestinian IQ is 85. These people can do nothing. Israeli Jewish IQ is 93 and dropping. Islam is a Christian heresy. Muslims go to hell. Jews are under a Deicidal curse. But the big picture, these groups have no value to the West.
  28. Z-man says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Criticizing Jewish hypocrisy is fine. I'm even okay with cynically supporting BDS as a tactical move.

    But actually caring about Arab Mohammedans is ridiculous.

    In a utopian world the Muslims and Jews would be separated from the Christians and whites, in their own nations or ghettos whatever, unfortunately that doesn’t exist. We can’t even return those vermin coming from west Africa in creaky boats from landing in Europe, geesh!
    But…we have to start somewhere…(wry grin).

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  29. @jilles dykstra
    It is not just the tragedy of the Palestinians since 1948, it is the Israeli power politics around Israel.
    As senator Hollings stated in 2004, Bush jr promised AIPAC to attack Iraq, in order to get the jewish vote.
    In order to get a pretext he organised Sept 11.

    What have you been smoking! George W. Bush could organise 9/11???

    And tell us about “the Jewish vote”. Just name one state where the Jewish vote got George W. Bush over the line and was counted on to do so? Did I hear a squeak about Florida? Tell us about the Jewish vote there and what their issues were. Hey guys, remember that BBQ in Miami where Governor Bush said “i want to tell y’all – oh sorry that’s Texas speaking – that right at the top of my agenda will be no more foreign adventures except there’s my Pappy’s unfinished business in Iraq”.

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    " Just name one state where the Jewish vote got George W. Bush over the line and was counted on to do so?"

    That's easy, New York.

    Next.
  30. @Sherman
    "The remarkable Boycott, Disinvestment and Sanctions campaign (BDS) is succeeding"

    I guess someone forgot to tell this to Indian PM Modi who was just in Israel and agreed to buy billions of dollars worth of Israeli weapons, hi tech and agricultural products.

    Isn’t BDS about products of the West Bank?

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  31. Why is this truth suppressed, day after day, month after month, year after year?

    Thank you to Mr. Pilger and to Mr. Unz for providing antidotes to the suppresion.

    Bless you!

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  32. @Thorfinnsson
    Zzzzzzzzzzzz.

    They're just Arabs for Christ's sake.

    While Israel's pernicious influence in Western countries must be opposed, it shouldn't be because of the suffering of Arabs.

    I'll concede that perhaps we should do something for the Palestinian Christians and in particular holy sites like Bethlehem, but not a finger should be lifted for the Mohammedan population. Mohammedans are not only our enemies but are an objectively inferior population.

    That is pathological altruism and will lead to the extinction of our race unless finally suppressed.

    That is pathological altruism and will lead to the extinction of our race unless finally suppressed.

    Not to worry about altruism, pathological or otherwise. We’re more likely to become extinct because of our willful denial of the truth, consistent support for the lies, consistent betrayal of our true friends and lack of true altruism.

    As to your claim that Mohammedans are not only our enemies but are an objectively inferior population, you may want to chew on this for a while.

    The US betrayed its allies, the Arab peoples, just as it betrayed the Philippine freedom fighters 20 years previously.

    CAIRO, Egypt, May 27,—The last hope of 30,000,000 Arabs to win freedom for their race without further bloodshed vanished when cables from Washington announced that the United States had concluded an agreement with Great Britain… The Arabs came into the war on the side of the allies against their Turkish co-religionists in- response to the allies’ promise of freedom…The Arab support” was determined and effective.”

    Newspaper article by Junius B. Wood on the American recognition of Britain’s mandate in Palestine, Chicago Daily News,27 May 1922 (also The Sunday Star, Washington)

    http://dcollections.oberlin.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/kingcrane/id/1686/rec/18

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  33. Fortunately John Pilger tends to offer some protection against the temptation to take his emotionally eloquent best writing too seriously. As already noted his reference to the Grenfell Tower scandal serves that purpise. But
    maybe he is on the side of history. Australia’s former Labor Foreign Minister Bob Carr, though once a senior figure in the Labor Friends of Israel, has recently got Labor’s biggest state branch to vote for recognition of Palestine.

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  34. Durruti says:

    Nicely done John Pilger.

    Palestine is not “Still the issue” it is THE ISSUE. Palestine is the moral Crux upon which the future of Humanity flows.

    From the first recorded (or celebrated) Holocaust, (and that was committed by the early Jews), that of Jericho, where every man, woman, child, every living thing, was executed, in a Land thieving operation. As the song goes… “Joshua fit the battle of Jericho, and the walls came tumbling down!” To the domination of the history (and finances) of humankind, (specially since 1815), the moral centrality of Palestine is ever more evident.

    [By way of slight digression, in Hollywood's highly touted "Independence Day" movie, the only religion mentioned (and favorably depicted), is that of the Jews. With the planet facing extinction from foreign alien invaders, there is nary a mention of Christian, Moslem, or any of the world's major (and all but gutted) religions. Hollywood and the rest of the media, in movie after movie, and TV, and written format, there is only one world religion and that is...]

    If you cannot face (and internalize), the ethnic cleansing – genocide being perpetrated against the Palestinians, and by extension, the Arab nations, you are as morally decayed as Hitler, LB Johnson, Stalin, Killery and Wm. Clintons, Bushes, Obombers, Casino Trump, Netenyahoo, and the Rothschilds, and the other ruling Oligarchs.

    I am not an anti-Semite. I like Arabs.

    Arabs are Semites, most Jews are not (read your Koestler). The actual anti-Semites are the Zionist Land Thieves, and their American and European servants. They hate the Semites and destroy their lands and denigrate their history. The distortion of language is one of the key points made by Orwell, in his 1984, which opens the door to totalitarian control of people’s minds.

    We Americans must show our Love of Nation and Restore our Republic, which was destroyed by the MOSSAD Rothschilds and other puppet Oligarchs on November 22, 1963. Our last Constitutional President, John F. Kennedy, was drowned in a hail of bullets as he did his best to defend our Republic.

    We did not understand what had occurred. Millions of Vietnamese, Indonesians, Latin Americans, Arabs, and Africans have paid a high price since then. Americans have also suffered. We have declined as a people. The way forward is clear.

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    Well said. And I particularly agree about Hollywood and its portrayal of Jews. The blonde guy it's always the idiot or bad guy. The Jewish runt always the savior and wins the white Anglo girl in the end. Hate Hollywood movies.
  35. North America, for example, was before European contact inhabited by Stone Age savages, fierce warriors and hunters who would as soon rape, enslave, torture, mutilate, and murder you as say hello.

    Where do people get such idiotic ideas?

    I would advise that you read about what Christopher Columbus found there. Pay particular attention to the Taino and Arawaks. I will grant you that the Caribs and some others probably fit your description, but the “Christian” Spaniards no doubt raised the ante somewhat. How do you think those rabid beasts subdued and enslaved large portions of the populations of both N and S America?

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  36. @Philip Owen
    My Latin master was formerly the Senior British Sergeant for the Palestine Police in Ramallah up to 1947. He was quite clear that Arab villagers did nothing more than defend themselves against Zionist groups who were deliberately terrorizing them. Terrorism was one sided in Palestine. He singled out the Stern Gang for special mention as terrorists even after Stern himself was shot while escaping custody (not on his watch - in winter 40/41, Stern, a Nazi attempted to do a deal with the German Embassy in Turkey, somewhat threatening to oil supplies when only the UK was at war with Germany). Every time he arrested them, instructions would come from London (ultimately from New York in his opinion) to release them without charges. He didn't like Begin either, although he was pro Israel during the 1967 war. He did think that the Jews who had entered legally and bought land honestly (not always the case - boundaries between villages were poorly defined) had a right to be there.

    He was quite clear that Arab villagers did nothing more than defend themselves against Zionist groups who were deliberately terrorizing them.

    Uri Avnery’s book, “1948,” makes the same point. He was a soldier then and saw it (actually participated in it) first hand. I have no reason to doubt either his sincerity or his credibility and what he describes in positively chilling.

    For the US money bag crowd to support these monsters and for anyone to make excuses for it is well beyond redemption.

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  37. @Greasy William

    All over the colonised world, the true sovereignty of indigenous people is feared by those who can never quite cover the fact, and the crime, that they live on stolen land.
     
    First of all, this is article is unreadably bad. But I want to address the above point:

    Russia had no right to dispossess the indigenous inhabitants of Siberia, the Euros had no right to do the same to the same in the Americas and Australia but the Land of Israel is a completely different situation. Comparing the totally unjust colonial conquests of the past with Jewish settlement in the Land of Israel is outrageous.

    The entire world belongs to The Creator. He reserved the Land of Israel for his Chosen People. Yes, the Palestinians have been living in the Land of Israel since time immemorial* but that ignores the fact that they never had the right to be there in the first place. The Land was given to the Jews 4000 years ago by G-d at which point the indigenous inhabitants where required to accept Jewish rule or depart.

    An unlawful squatter does not have the right to cry foul when the rightful owner of a property evicts him.

    But all this is beside the point. In this article we hear not just praise of the totally worthless Palestinian people, but also a promise that they will eventually be able to take the Land of Israel from the rightful Jewish owners. I have been hearing this nonsense my entire life from Palestinian lovers, but what I never hear is "when" or "how"?

    I have pointed this out to the retards here many times, but I will do so again:
    1. Israel has 150 nuclear warheads on hand and produces an additional 3 every year.
    2. Israel has a stronger technological base than the entire Arab/Islamic world combined.
    3. The Arab/Islamic world is second only to African blacks in military ineptitude and have failed miserably every time they have attempted to challenge us on the open field. They resort to terrorism not just against the Jews, but against every adversary they ever face because they are incapable of fighting any other way.

    So when are you going to destroy Israel? You have been talking about it since 1948 and all that has happened is that the Jews have continued to grow, to get stronger and to settle more of the Land, while that Palestinians continue to get squeezed, in the words of the late Raful Eitan, "like cockroaches in a bottle". So far the pattern seems to be the more you talk about the imminent victory of the Palestinians, the more desperate their situation becomes.

    But a more important question, perhaps, is "how?". The Arab Islamic world have already shown it isn't up to militarily defeating Israel. It can't even meaningfully retaliate when we slaughter Palestinians by the thousands or kill their leaders and scientists. So really you would need an outside force to take the Land of Israel. Western Europe is a military joke, so they are out. The United States is less than 50 years from breaking apart so the US is out as well. China is a regional state that has never shown any interest whatsoever in the plight of the Palestinians.

    So that leaves Russia. But Russia can't even get back Syria for their client Assad. The Russian people also have never demonstrated any interest at all in the Palestinians. And even if Russia were to develop the military capability AND the interest to conquer the Land of Israel, exactly how many of their population centers would they be willing to sacrifice in order to do so? We already have 150 nuclear warheads, that number will be 250 minimum (probably double that as Israel looks to expand it's nuclear program with additional reactors) in 30 years which is the earliest possible time Russia would be ready to militarily challenge Israel. The loss of 250 of Russia's largest cities would end Russia as a functioning state: is your thesis that the Russian people are willing to essentially commit suicide so that the Palestinians can resume their illegal squatting in Jewish land?

    You love the Palestinians and that's fine. You think, or at least pretend to think, that the Palestinians will eventually take the country back and that's fine too. But you owe it to non retards who have had to listen to your bullshit for more than half a century now exactly when and how the Palestinians will achieve such a victory.



    *Pretty much every serious Jewish scholar admits as much. Saying that the Jews claim that the Land was uninhabited prior to our return is a straw man when only a few extremist idiots who nobody pays any mind actually do make such a claim.

    He reserved the Land of Israel for his Chosen People.

    That agreement has long ago became null and void since it was based on the idea that “His People” would behave themselves according to his directives.

    However, they were forever screwing up and that “covenant” was nullified repeatedly, so he kicked them out repeatedly.

    He’ll most probably do it again. And again. Only the timing is in doubt.

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  38. imbroglio says:

    I, too, lived, for a time, on an Israeli kibbutz in the sixties. The land on which the kibbutz was situated had been purchased from the Ottoman Turkish administration prior to World War I. They had the title in Turkish and in Arabic.

    The kibbutzniks referred to their Arab neighbors as Druze, Bedouin and “Arab” (Aravim) because the word “Palestinian” (Filasteen) had not yet come into use. Yasser Arafat and his associates were only then beginning to organize the PLO, and the Palestinian national consciousness was only then in the process of formation.

    In Tel Aviv (Jaffa if you will,) I was having coffee with an “Arab” who spoke to me about the “nakba” and the “Arabs” (his term) who had fled to Jordan. “If we weren’t being kicked around by the Jews, the world wouldn’t give a shit about us.”

    Which, as Mr. Pilger well knows, is as true today as it was then.

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    “If we weren’t being kicked around by the Jews, the world wouldn’t give a shit about us.”
     
    Sounds like a common attitude. In fact, no one gave a shit about the common Jews until the Zio-gangsters hijacked their victimhood for their own benefit, of course.

    In fact, I doubt anyone would give much of a shit about the ME or anyplace else (banksters and their Zion musclemen included), if there weren't resources such as oil there.

    Which, as everyone should know, is as true today as it was then.
    , @Art

    In Tel Aviv (Jaffa if you will,) I was having coffee with an “Arab” who spoke to me about the “nakba” and the “Arabs” (his term) who had fled to Jordan. “If we weren’t being kicked around by the Jews, the world wouldn’t give a shit about us.”
     
    So those words spoken in resentment justify apartheid, torture, squatting, summery killing, non-judicial detention, and Gaza attacks – on the part of the Jew Matrix?

    NOT!

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. We in America are paying a high price for the theft of Palestine – our very freedom, our culture, and our democracy are now in the hands of the Jew Matrix.
  39. ANON says: • Disclaimer
    @Svigor

    All over the colonised world, the true sovereignty of indigenous people is feared by those who can never quite cover the fact, and the crime, that they live on stolen land.
     
    In some ways this is a step in the right direction, but it's far too kind to Jews, and too harsh to everyone else.

    North America, for example, was before European contact inhabited by Stone Age savages, fierce warriors and hunters who would as soon rape, enslave, torture, mutilate, and murder you as say hello.

    Palestine was inhabited by farmers, laborers, merchants, etc.

    North American natives were warrior tribes who lived by right of conquest. Not only did they live by right of conquest up until European contact, they lived by right of conquest throughout the period of European conquest. Indian tribes routinely allied themselves with Europeans to fight other Indian tribes, Europeans, or coalitions of both.

    Palestine was a civilized region with private property & chain of ownership.

    Europeans colonized North America in a time when such behavior was widely deemed acceptable.

    Human sacrifice was common among American Indians.

    It was unknown among Palestinians.

    Jews colonized Palestine at a time when the age of colonialism was long past; within a generation, Jewish scholarship would be in lockstep with the anti-colonial narrative (except vis-a-vis their own colonialism in Israel), Jews would be all-in protesting the Vietnam War, etc.

    Indian resistance to European conquest ended more than a century ago.

    Palestinians are pretty clear that they want their shit back, and won't be happy until they get it.

    And all this after the holocaust, which Jews have never stopped harping on.

    There's really no such comparison to be made between the two.

    Off topic don’t you think? You forgot to mention that in the USA and Canada the Indians are paid for the lands taken from them. I don’t mean what happened 300 years ago, but today.
    The tribes get their own lands, their own governments on those lands and every Indian gets checks from the government. The tribal governments get billions a year which they administer themselves.

    It’s basically a perpetual mortgage payment for the Indian lands that were conquered centuries ago. There are more Indians today than there were in 1500.

    The Spanish solved the problem by giving everyone equal rights and intermarriage.

    Again, totally off topic. You are right that the Palestinians are more civilized than the American Indians were 400 years ago.
    There are plenty of sites where your post is more germane to the topic.

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  40. ANON says: • Disclaimer
    @Zenarchy

    It’s like Kosovo. Sad for the Serbs, but the only workable solution was to make it virtually all Albanian.
     
    Nothing is solved by making ANYTHING all Albanian. You should live in the Balkans to understand this better. These people should all be thrown out of Europe, especially now they're more than 90 percent Muslim (although Bosnian Muslims ARE at least 2 levels of civilized above Albanians).

    Priss inserts his or her ignorance into every topic. He she doesn’t even know the most basic facts about human reproduction but rants and raves about that continually no matter what the topic.

    You are right that Albanians are the very worst bandit human trafficking tribe of vicious pimps on earth.

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    You are right that Albanians are the very worst bandit human trafficking tribe of vicious pimps on earth.
     
    - Except for "British" Moslems. You're welcome.
  41. @imbroglio
    I, too, lived, for a time, on an Israeli kibbutz in the sixties. The land on which the kibbutz was situated had been purchased from the Ottoman Turkish administration prior to World War I. They had the title in Turkish and in Arabic.

    The kibbutzniks referred to their Arab neighbors as Druze, Bedouin and "Arab" (Aravim) because the word "Palestinian" (Filasteen) had not yet come into use. Yasser Arafat and his associates were only then beginning to organize the PLO, and the Palestinian national consciousness was only then in the process of formation.

    In Tel Aviv (Jaffa if you will,) I was having coffee with an "Arab" who spoke to me about the "nakba" and the "Arabs" (his term) who had fled to Jordan. "If we weren't being kicked around by the Jews, the world wouldn't give a shit about us."

    Which, as Mr. Pilger well knows, is as true today as it was then.

    “If we weren’t being kicked around by the Jews, the world wouldn’t give a shit about us.”

    Sounds like a common attitude. In fact, no one gave a shit about the common Jews until the Zio-gangsters hijacked their victimhood for their own benefit, of course.

    In fact, I doubt anyone would give much of a shit about the ME or anyplace else (banksters and their Zion musclemen included), if there weren’t resources such as oil there.

    Which, as everyone should know, is as true today as it was then.

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  42. You are right that Albanians are the very worst bandit human trafficking tribe of vicious pimps on earth.

    How do they rate for organ trafficking? Or trafficking in military hardware? Or narcotics? Or debt trafficking?

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  43. @Greasy William

    All over the colonised world, the true sovereignty of indigenous people is feared by those who can never quite cover the fact, and the crime, that they live on stolen land.
     
    First of all, this is article is unreadably bad. But I want to address the above point:

    Russia had no right to dispossess the indigenous inhabitants of Siberia, the Euros had no right to do the same to the same in the Americas and Australia but the Land of Israel is a completely different situation. Comparing the totally unjust colonial conquests of the past with Jewish settlement in the Land of Israel is outrageous.

    The entire world belongs to The Creator. He reserved the Land of Israel for his Chosen People. Yes, the Palestinians have been living in the Land of Israel since time immemorial* but that ignores the fact that they never had the right to be there in the first place. The Land was given to the Jews 4000 years ago by G-d at which point the indigenous inhabitants where required to accept Jewish rule or depart.

    An unlawful squatter does not have the right to cry foul when the rightful owner of a property evicts him.

    But all this is beside the point. In this article we hear not just praise of the totally worthless Palestinian people, but also a promise that they will eventually be able to take the Land of Israel from the rightful Jewish owners. I have been hearing this nonsense my entire life from Palestinian lovers, but what I never hear is "when" or "how"?

    I have pointed this out to the retards here many times, but I will do so again:
    1. Israel has 150 nuclear warheads on hand and produces an additional 3 every year.
    2. Israel has a stronger technological base than the entire Arab/Islamic world combined.
    3. The Arab/Islamic world is second only to African blacks in military ineptitude and have failed miserably every time they have attempted to challenge us on the open field. They resort to terrorism not just against the Jews, but against every adversary they ever face because they are incapable of fighting any other way.

    So when are you going to destroy Israel? You have been talking about it since 1948 and all that has happened is that the Jews have continued to grow, to get stronger and to settle more of the Land, while that Palestinians continue to get squeezed, in the words of the late Raful Eitan, "like cockroaches in a bottle". So far the pattern seems to be the more you talk about the imminent victory of the Palestinians, the more desperate their situation becomes.

    But a more important question, perhaps, is "how?". The Arab Islamic world have already shown it isn't up to militarily defeating Israel. It can't even meaningfully retaliate when we slaughter Palestinians by the thousands or kill their leaders and scientists. So really you would need an outside force to take the Land of Israel. Western Europe is a military joke, so they are out. The United States is less than 50 years from breaking apart so the US is out as well. China is a regional state that has never shown any interest whatsoever in the plight of the Palestinians.

    So that leaves Russia. But Russia can't even get back Syria for their client Assad. The Russian people also have never demonstrated any interest at all in the Palestinians. And even if Russia were to develop the military capability AND the interest to conquer the Land of Israel, exactly how many of their population centers would they be willing to sacrifice in order to do so? We already have 150 nuclear warheads, that number will be 250 minimum (probably double that as Israel looks to expand it's nuclear program with additional reactors) in 30 years which is the earliest possible time Russia would be ready to militarily challenge Israel. The loss of 250 of Russia's largest cities would end Russia as a functioning state: is your thesis that the Russian people are willing to essentially commit suicide so that the Palestinians can resume their illegal squatting in Jewish land?

    You love the Palestinians and that's fine. You think, or at least pretend to think, that the Palestinians will eventually take the country back and that's fine too. But you owe it to non retards who have had to listen to your bullshit for more than half a century now exactly when and how the Palestinians will achieve such a victory.



    *Pretty much every serious Jewish scholar admits as much. Saying that the Jews claim that the Land was uninhabited prior to our return is a straw man when only a few extremist idiots who nobody pays any mind actually do make such a claim.

    We already have 150 nuclear warheads, that number will be 250 minimum (probably double that as Israel looks to expand it’s nuclear program with additional reactors) in 30 years which is the earliest possible time Russia would be ready to militarily challenge Israel. The loss of 250 of Russia’s largest cities would end Russia as a functioning state

    Go ahead punk …
    If the ruskies got even half-a-dozen of theirs off, accurately, the whole of Eretz Israel would melt and dribble into the Med. Those boys don’t give a monkey’s about collateral (a.k.a. Palestinians). Or God, come to that, you pharisaical vowel-skimping blusterer. You spongers only survive economically due to perpetual extortion of Americans and Germans. How much longer will they put up with that?

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    Extortion! Another name for Jews, along with shylocks!
  44. nsa says:

    No one gives a rat’s ass about the plight of the hapless “Palestinians” at the hands of the vile bloodthirsty avaricious jooies………..just destroy the muzzies on your own shekel with your own goons and leave us American taxpayers out of it.

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  45. Mr. Petras,

    Palestine is NOT the issue for powerful U.S. non-orthodox (diaspora) Jews. And the most warlike people on the planet, the Neoconservatives, are determined to keep putting lipstick on an apartheid swine.

    Thanks!

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  46. @Z-man

    In the same way Spain is looked upon as an occupied land to one day be retaken,
     
    You make no sense you Zionist troll.

    In the same way Spain is looked upon as an occupied land to one day be retaken,

    You make no sense you Zionist troll.

    Give them Palestine today, they’ll want al-Andalus tomorrow. Why wouldn’t they? It’s human nature.

    And noticing it isn’t “trollery”.

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    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Z-man
    If by chance Spain surrenders to the Muslim hordes, which I doubt will happen, it would be their fault.
    Comparing Palestine to the Spanish Reconquista was clever but specious and can be easily turned around. The Palestinians will regain their stolen, occupied lands.
    , @L.K
    But you are obviously a bloody troll.
  47. @Svigor

    All over the colonised world, the true sovereignty of indigenous people is feared by those who can never quite cover the fact, and the crime, that they live on stolen land.
     
    In some ways this is a step in the right direction, but it's far too kind to Jews, and too harsh to everyone else.

    North America, for example, was before European contact inhabited by Stone Age savages, fierce warriors and hunters who would as soon rape, enslave, torture, mutilate, and murder you as say hello.

    Palestine was inhabited by farmers, laborers, merchants, etc.

    North American natives were warrior tribes who lived by right of conquest. Not only did they live by right of conquest up until European contact, they lived by right of conquest throughout the period of European conquest. Indian tribes routinely allied themselves with Europeans to fight other Indian tribes, Europeans, or coalitions of both.

    Palestine was a civilized region with private property & chain of ownership.

    Europeans colonized North America in a time when such behavior was widely deemed acceptable.

    Human sacrifice was common among American Indians.

    It was unknown among Palestinians.

    Jews colonized Palestine at a time when the age of colonialism was long past; within a generation, Jewish scholarship would be in lockstep with the anti-colonial narrative (except vis-a-vis their own colonialism in Israel), Jews would be all-in protesting the Vietnam War, etc.

    Indian resistance to European conquest ended more than a century ago.

    Palestinians are pretty clear that they want their shit back, and won't be happy until they get it.

    And all this after the holocaust, which Jews have never stopped harping on.

    There's really no such comparison to be made between the two.

    Human sacrifice was common among American Indians.

    It was unknown among Palestinians.

    Because when you off the Other, rather than your Own, it isn’t much of a sacrifice, is it?

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  48. @Thorfinnsson
    Criticizing Jewish hypocrisy is fine. I'm even okay with cynically supporting BDS as a tactical move.

    But actually caring about Arab Mohammedans is ridiculous.

    But actually caring about Arab Mohammedans is ridiculous.

    Ask the Copts how much Mohammedan Araby cares about them.

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  49. Wally says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    What have you been smoking! George W. Bush could organise 9/11???

    And tell us about "the Jewish vote". Just name one state where the Jewish vote got George W. Bush over the line and was counted on to do so? Did I hear a squeak about Florida? Tell us about the Jewish vote there and what their issues were. Hey guys, remember that BBQ in Miami where Governor Bush said "i want to tell y'all - oh sorry that's Texas speaking - that right at the top of my agenda will be no more foreign adventures except there's my Pappy's unfinished business in Iraq".

    ” Just name one state where the Jewish vote got George W. Bush over the line and was counted on to do so?”

    That’s easy, New York.

    Next.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Gore won NY in 2000; Kerry won it in 2004.

    Bush 41 lost NY in 1988.

    You're wrong.
  50. @Wally
    I agree.

    Pilger is drinking the Marxist Kool Aid and will shoot himself and his excellent observations about the true evils of Zionism in the foot if he continues that approach.

    The Grenfell Tower fire was caused by the moronic Left / Green insistence of using flammable materials as cladding on the building.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/18/did-uk-government-climate-mania-contribute-to-the-grenfell-tower-disaster/

    Wally,

    Why did the Grenfell Tower burn so long & avoided disintegration into its footprint like the three W.T.C. towers?

    9-11 “mastermind,” K.S.M., must have counted upon a more flammable brand of steel used to construct the W.T.C. towers?

    The 19 Arab hijackers were fortunate to not have to contend with more fire resistant steel like that common to Grenfell Tower.

    Perhaps Sheffield steel was used @ Grenfell? Could such product withstand the “cladding” heat of the combustible Greens?

    Grenfell Tower did not collapse into its footprint. Contrast this reality with the three W.T.C. tower collapses and “We have a problem, Houston.”

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    • Replies: @Wally
    I agree, Chuck, 9/11 was 'an inside job'.

    The govt's. laughable conspiracy theory is scientifically impossible

    Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
    http://www.ae911truth.org/

    If something can't happen as alleged, then it didn't happen as alleged.
  51. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    " Just name one state where the Jewish vote got George W. Bush over the line and was counted on to do so?"

    That's easy, New York.

    Next.

    Gore won NY in 2000; Kerry won it in 2004.

    Bush 41 lost NY in 1988.

    You’re wrong.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    I stand corrected on a trivial point.

    Israel's Dirty Little Secret
    How it drives US policies exploiting a spineless Congress and White House
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-dirty-little-secret/


    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    How to Bring Down the Elephant in the Room
    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/how-to-bring-down-the-elephant-in-the-room/

    Israeli occupied territories
    https://codoh.com/media/files/cartoon24s.png

    The 'holocau$t' narrative doesn't hold up to scrutiny so the usual enemies of free speech, supremacist Jews, call for more censorship of the internet.
    http://freetheinternetfromdenial.wesign.it/en
    www.codoh.com
    discussion here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

  52. Z-man says:
    @Reg Cæsar


    In the same way Spain is looked upon as an occupied land to one day be retaken,
     
    You make no sense you Zionist troll.
     
    Give them Palestine today, they'll want al-Andalus tomorrow. Why wouldn't they? It's human nature.

    And noticing it isn't "trollery".

    If by chance Spain surrenders to the Muslim hordes, which I doubt will happen, it would be their fault.
    Comparing Palestine to the Spanish Reconquista was clever but specious and can be easily turned around. The Palestinians will regain their stolen, occupied lands.

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    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    About the same time when the Cypriots and Armenians regain what the Turks took from them.
  53. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    The road to ME peace goes thru Palestine. You can cloak the savage and brutal Israel rape of Palestine under as many OT Bible quotes as you like, the fact remains that the large majority of the Israelis living on stolen land ARE NOT JEWS, nor did they descend from Jews, as DNA studies have shown.

    How any American can support that racist state of Hate, Israel, which has attacked the USA numerous times, like the cowardly attack on the USS Liberty, their involvement in the 1983 Marines barrack bombing in Lebanon, their 2000 ‘October Surprise’ attack against the USS Cole and their masterminding of the heinous 9/11 False Flag is beyond me.

    http://www.911history.de/aaannxyz_ch01_en.html

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  54. prusmc says:
    @jilles dykstra
    It is not just the tragedy of the Palestinians since 1948, it is the Israeli power politics around Israel.
    As senator Hollings stated in 2004, Bush jr promised AIPAC to attack Iraq, in order to get the jewish vote.
    In order to get a pretext he organised Sept 11.

    If he promised them to attack Iraq gain the Jewish vote he got swindled. How about Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties vote in 2000? Wasn’t those the places were late absentee ballots post marked Israel were vounted and overseas military ballots were voided?
    But he was a sap, so he probably did make such a bargain.

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    • Replies: @Z-man
    He made a deal with the big boys, the Billionaires Boy club of donors and the MSM to control the message and not be totally in the can for first Gore and then Kerry (Lurch). He followed his own script to an extent but aided and abetted and then ruined by the excesses of the rabid Zionists around him. But that kept him from attack from the owned media until after he was reelected. He succeeded in that.
  55. L.K says:
    @Reg Cæsar


    In the same way Spain is looked upon as an occupied land to one day be retaken,
     
    You make no sense you Zionist troll.
     
    Give them Palestine today, they'll want al-Andalus tomorrow. Why wouldn't they? It's human nature.

    And noticing it isn't "trollery".

    But you are obviously a bloody troll.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    But you are obviously a bloody troll.
     
    Because I don't limit my anti-Semitism to a few beanie-tops in the West, but share it with the entire race of 400m or so?
  56. Z-man says:
    @prusmc
    If he promised them to attack Iraq gain the Jewish vote he got swindled. How about Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties vote in 2000? Wasn't those the places were late absentee ballots post marked Israel were vounted and overseas military ballots were voided?
    But he was a sap, so he probably did make such a bargain.

    He made a deal with the big boys, the Billionaires Boy club of donors and the MSM to control the message and not be totally in the can for first Gore and then Kerry (Lurch). He followed his own script to an extent but aided and abetted and then ruined by the excesses of the rabid Zionists around him. But that kept him from attack from the owned media until after he was reelected. He succeeded in that.

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  57. chris says:
    @The Alarmist
    I find it hard to get misty-eyed for Palestinians or Israelis, but a lot of what you think of as "Palestine" was the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah three millenia ago. In the same way Spain is looked upon as an occupied land to one day be retaken, Israel is just lost land that was re-taken. To the comment above about Australia and the US being a different story, they are indeed different, because they were outright conquests ... not that there is anything wrong with that.

    Well than, what was wrong with the Euroean conquest of Africa in the 19th century, didn’t we all originate from there?

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    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    The European imperialism was justified as a liberal humanitarian project, that was also going to make its supporters wealthy. Sort of like the Clinton Foundation.

    Now, there is a great deal to be noted as being wrong in the British conquest of the Boers. Outside of that issue, imperialism was unprofitable for Europe, and is the main reason why Africa's population boomed to our detriment.

    Cecil Rhodes cared far more about the African than any ruler since independence.

    https://www.amren.com/features/2015/06/the-fortunes-of-africa/
    , @The Alarmist
    Only if you believe all that "Out of Africa" crap. OTOH, if you believe the "We wuz Kings" crap, they deserved to be conquered for squandering their great civilisations, which the West was merely trying to recover from the jungles which did a far more thorough job of erasing any traces of ancient achievements than in any other place on earth.
  58. Art says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Zzzzzzzzzzzz.

    They're just Arabs for Christ's sake.

    While Israel's pernicious influence in Western countries must be opposed, it shouldn't be because of the suffering of Arabs.

    I'll concede that perhaps we should do something for the Palestinian Christians and in particular holy sites like Bethlehem, but not a finger should be lifted for the Mohammedan population. Mohammedans are not only our enemies but are an objectively inferior population.

    That is pathological altruism and will lead to the extinction of our race unless finally suppressed.

    That is pathological altruism and will lead to the extinction of our race unless finally suppressed.

    Thorfinnson,

    Respecting life is not altruism – it is Christian living.

    The Palestinians were never renowned warriors – Muslim, Christian, and Jew – they had a civil society that traded with Europe for centuries.

    It is the Jew squatters who are the evil ones – you need to get your priorities straight.

    Christians protect the weak and oppressed – period.

    Peace — Art

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  59. Art says:
    @imbroglio
    I, too, lived, for a time, on an Israeli kibbutz in the sixties. The land on which the kibbutz was situated had been purchased from the Ottoman Turkish administration prior to World War I. They had the title in Turkish and in Arabic.

    The kibbutzniks referred to their Arab neighbors as Druze, Bedouin and "Arab" (Aravim) because the word "Palestinian" (Filasteen) had not yet come into use. Yasser Arafat and his associates were only then beginning to organize the PLO, and the Palestinian national consciousness was only then in the process of formation.

    In Tel Aviv (Jaffa if you will,) I was having coffee with an "Arab" who spoke to me about the "nakba" and the "Arabs" (his term) who had fled to Jordan. "If we weren't being kicked around by the Jews, the world wouldn't give a shit about us."

    Which, as Mr. Pilger well knows, is as true today as it was then.

    In Tel Aviv (Jaffa if you will,) I was having coffee with an “Arab” who spoke to me about the “nakba” and the “Arabs” (his term) who had fled to Jordan. “If we weren’t being kicked around by the Jews, the world wouldn’t give a shit about us.”

    So those words spoken in resentment justify apartheid, torture, squatting, summery killing, non-judicial detention, and Gaza attacks – on the part of the Jew Matrix?

    NOT!

    Peace — Art

    p.s. We in America are paying a high price for the theft of Palestine – our very freedom, our culture, and our democracy are now in the hands of the Jew Matrix.

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  60. Art says:
    @Sherman
    "The remarkable Boycott, Disinvestment and Sanctions campaign (BDS) is succeeding"

    I guess someone forgot to tell this to Indian PM Modi who was just in Israel and agreed to buy billions of dollars worth of Israeli weapons, hi tech and agricultural products.

    I guess someone forgot to tell this to Indian PM Modi who was just in Israel and agreed to buy billions of dollars worth of Israeli weapon

    The Jew Matrix produces more arms per capita then any other tribe on the planet.

    You must be proud.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Lies too!

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    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    Yep, damn proud of Israel's arms industry.

    If it wasn't for Jewish brainpower the country wouldn't exist.

    Kinda like how you wouldn't exist without PORK and beans.

    Peace
    Sherm
  61. Wally says: • Website
    @ChuckOrloski
    Wally,

    Why did the Grenfell Tower burn so long & avoided disintegration into its footprint like the three W.T.C. towers?

    9-11 "mastermind," K.S.M., must have counted upon a more flammable brand of steel used to construct the W.T.C. towers?

    The 19 Arab hijackers were fortunate to not have to contend with more fire resistant steel like that common to Grenfell Tower.

    Perhaps Sheffield steel was used @ Grenfell? Could such product withstand the "cladding" heat of the combustible Greens?

    Grenfell Tower did not collapse into its footprint. Contrast this reality with the three W.T.C. tower collapses and "We have a problem, Houston."

    I agree, Chuck, 9/11 was ‘an inside job’.

    The govt’s. laughable conspiracy theory is scientifically impossible

    Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

    http://www.ae911truth.org/

    If something can’t happen as alleged, then it didn’t happen as alleged.

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    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    Wally,

    The new film, reprise of "Planet of the Apes," has Holocaust symbolism but no Magilla bin Laden.
  62. Wally says:
    @Anon
    Gore won NY in 2000; Kerry won it in 2004.

    Bush 41 lost NY in 1988.

    You're wrong.

    I stand corrected on a trivial point.

    Israel’s Dirty Little Secret
    How it drives US policies exploiting a spineless Congress and White House

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-dirty-little-secret/

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    How to Bring Down the Elephant in the Room

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/how-to-bring-down-the-elephant-in-the-room/

    Israeli occupied territories
    The ‘holocau$t’ narrative doesn’t hold up to scrutiny so the usual enemies of free speech, supremacist Jews, call for more censorship of the internet.

    http://freetheinternetfromdenial.wesign.it/en

    http://www.codoh.com
    discussion here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Not a trivial point so much as your only point. And I, an Australian, didn't even have to check that Gore had won New York state by a huge margin (60 per cent to 35 per cent) to pose my challenge: it was common knowledge for any but the most complete ignoramus. How can you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously when you are as ignorant and/or careless as that?
  63. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Thorfinnsson
    Criticizing Jewish hypocrisy is fine. I'm even okay with cynically supporting BDS as a tactical move.

    But actually caring about Arab Mohammedans is ridiculous.

    This is why Whites in Europe will not survive.

    Like blacks, whites can never get beyond the pulls of divide and conquer. So whites will always be the slave to their Jewish masters who know how to pull the strings.

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  64. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Greasy William

    All over the colonised world, the true sovereignty of indigenous people is feared by those who can never quite cover the fact, and the crime, that they live on stolen land.
     
    First of all, this is article is unreadably bad. But I want to address the above point:

    Russia had no right to dispossess the indigenous inhabitants of Siberia, the Euros had no right to do the same to the same in the Americas and Australia but the Land of Israel is a completely different situation. Comparing the totally unjust colonial conquests of the past with Jewish settlement in the Land of Israel is outrageous.

    The entire world belongs to The Creator. He reserved the Land of Israel for his Chosen People. Yes, the Palestinians have been living in the Land of Israel since time immemorial* but that ignores the fact that they never had the right to be there in the first place. The Land was given to the Jews 4000 years ago by G-d at which point the indigenous inhabitants where required to accept Jewish rule or depart.

    An unlawful squatter does not have the right to cry foul when the rightful owner of a property evicts him.

    But all this is beside the point. In this article we hear not just praise of the totally worthless Palestinian people, but also a promise that they will eventually be able to take the Land of Israel from the rightful Jewish owners. I have been hearing this nonsense my entire life from Palestinian lovers, but what I never hear is "when" or "how"?

    I have pointed this out to the retards here many times, but I will do so again:
    1. Israel has 150 nuclear warheads on hand and produces an additional 3 every year.
    2. Israel has a stronger technological base than the entire Arab/Islamic world combined.
    3. The Arab/Islamic world is second only to African blacks in military ineptitude and have failed miserably every time they have attempted to challenge us on the open field. They resort to terrorism not just against the Jews, but against every adversary they ever face because they are incapable of fighting any other way.

    So when are you going to destroy Israel? You have been talking about it since 1948 and all that has happened is that the Jews have continued to grow, to get stronger and to settle more of the Land, while that Palestinians continue to get squeezed, in the words of the late Raful Eitan, "like cockroaches in a bottle". So far the pattern seems to be the more you talk about the imminent victory of the Palestinians, the more desperate their situation becomes.

    But a more important question, perhaps, is "how?". The Arab Islamic world have already shown it isn't up to militarily defeating Israel. It can't even meaningfully retaliate when we slaughter Palestinians by the thousands or kill their leaders and scientists. So really you would need an outside force to take the Land of Israel. Western Europe is a military joke, so they are out. The United States is less than 50 years from breaking apart so the US is out as well. China is a regional state that has never shown any interest whatsoever in the plight of the Palestinians.

    So that leaves Russia. But Russia can't even get back Syria for their client Assad. The Russian people also have never demonstrated any interest at all in the Palestinians. And even if Russia were to develop the military capability AND the interest to conquer the Land of Israel, exactly how many of their population centers would they be willing to sacrifice in order to do so? We already have 150 nuclear warheads, that number will be 250 minimum (probably double that as Israel looks to expand it's nuclear program with additional reactors) in 30 years which is the earliest possible time Russia would be ready to militarily challenge Israel. The loss of 250 of Russia's largest cities would end Russia as a functioning state: is your thesis that the Russian people are willing to essentially commit suicide so that the Palestinians can resume their illegal squatting in Jewish land?

    You love the Palestinians and that's fine. You think, or at least pretend to think, that the Palestinians will eventually take the country back and that's fine too. But you owe it to non retards who have had to listen to your bullshit for more than half a century now exactly when and how the Palestinians will achieve such a victory.



    *Pretty much every serious Jewish scholar admits as much. Saying that the Jews claim that the Land was uninhabited prior to our return is a straw man when only a few extremist idiots who nobody pays any mind actually do make such a claim.

    The people who call themselves Jews today aren’t the same people who were designated as the Chosen People.

    They come from Eastern Europe and took over Judaisim. So no, the current inhabitants aren’t entitled to anything.

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    • Replies: @Karl
    64 Anonymous > They come from Eastern Europe

    try selling that song-and-dance at the next Mimouna party.

    I never ceased to be amazed at the all-knowing experts on Israel who have never once set foot in it.

    No wonder Ron Unz got his ass kicked by girls in the California Senator race....
  65. wow, I never thought christians were so easily duped into believing in the holy land bullshit.

    that is freaking ingenious on the part of the israelis.

    holy land, holy people :) damn, that is why they are untouchable in american media and politics :) this is too good. too many duped retards.

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    • Agree: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Druid
    The operative word being retards. Just watch Hagee's TV show for a bit and its sooooo obvious!
  66. Maj. Kong says:
    @chris
    Well than, what was wrong with the Euroean conquest of Africa in the 19th century, didn't we all originate from there?

    The European imperialism was justified as a liberal humanitarian project, that was also going to make its supporters wealthy. Sort of like the Clinton Foundation.

    Now, there is a great deal to be noted as being wrong in the British conquest of the Boers. Outside of that issue, imperialism was unprofitable for Europe, and is the main reason why Africa’s population boomed to our detriment.

    Cecil Rhodes cared far more about the African than any ruler since independence.

    https://www.amren.com/features/2015/06/the-fortunes-of-africa/

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    • Replies: @Druid
    Man, you are so wrong about Cecil Rhodes caring about Africans. The bastard was genocidal!
  67. Maj. Kong says:
    @Z-man
    If by chance Spain surrenders to the Muslim hordes, which I doubt will happen, it would be their fault.
    Comparing Palestine to the Spanish Reconquista was clever but specious and can be easily turned around. The Palestinians will regain their stolen, occupied lands.

    About the same time when the Cypriots and Armenians regain what the Turks took from them.

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  68. @Thorfinnsson
    Zzzzzzzzzzzz.

    They're just Arabs for Christ's sake.

    While Israel's pernicious influence in Western countries must be opposed, it shouldn't be because of the suffering of Arabs.

    I'll concede that perhaps we should do something for the Palestinian Christians and in particular holy sites like Bethlehem, but not a finger should be lifted for the Mohammedan population. Mohammedans are not only our enemies but are an objectively inferior population.

    That is pathological altruism and will lead to the extinction of our race unless finally suppressed.

    Excellent points. I’ve been to the Middle East and the Muslims are the worst. They have low IQs (because of Islamic black slavery/first cousin marriage). Israel’s influence must be expelled from the West. The best way to deal with this is to deal with the RCC/Zioevangizers. I believe in supporting Israel because Jews have to have their own nation. More than 1/2 of world Jewry now lives in Israel. We have to work on expelling the rest. And you are right that we have to help the Middle Eastern Christians (the Syrians/Lebanese/Iraqis. Most of the Egyptian Copts are black so I have no interest in them.) We need to set aside areas in the Middle East for them.

    But as we focus and deal with the Jews in the West, we also have to deal with the blacks/Asians/Muslims in the West. The RCC/Zioevangizers are a huge problem because they believe in the “universal church,” “universal brotherhood, ” “Jews are the chosen people.” In the USA, the RCC/Zioevangizers are working with blacks/illegal aliens/Asians because so many Caucasians have left their churches. The Caucasians left because of the blacks/Asians. I was a cradle Catholic but left the RCC because I don’t accept black/Asian priests-popes. Many Caucasians are converting to the Orthodox church because the churches are racial/ethnic. The RCC/Zioevangiziers think that they can save the blacks/Asians. I also believe in IQ/evolution and know that nothing can be done with these people. If they want to be Christian, they have to have their own churches in their own countries. Also, we have to stress that the Jews are not the chosen. Today’s Jews are a miscegenated, meshuggah melange that have nothing to do with the West or Christianity or the Jews of the Old Testament.

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    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    " Today’s Jews are a miscegenated, meshuggah melange that have nothing to do with the West or Christianity or the Jews of the Old Testament."

    And if they were why would their vicious anti-white European actions be any better than they are?
  69. @ANON
    Priss inserts his or her ignorance into every topic. He she doesn't even know the most basic facts about human reproduction but rants and raves about that continually no matter what the topic.

    You are right that Albanians are the very worst bandit human trafficking tribe of vicious pimps on earth.

    You are right that Albanians are the very worst bandit human trafficking tribe of vicious pimps on earth.

    – Except for “British” Moslems. You’re welcome.

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  70. @attilathehen
    Excellent points. I've been to the Middle East and the Muslims are the worst. They have low IQs (because of Islamic black slavery/first cousin marriage). Israel's influence must be expelled from the West. The best way to deal with this is to deal with the RCC/Zioevangizers. I believe in supporting Israel because Jews have to have their own nation. More than 1/2 of world Jewry now lives in Israel. We have to work on expelling the rest. And you are right that we have to help the Middle Eastern Christians (the Syrians/Lebanese/Iraqis. Most of the Egyptian Copts are black so I have no interest in them.) We need to set aside areas in the Middle East for them.

    But as we focus and deal with the Jews in the West, we also have to deal with the blacks/Asians/Muslims in the West. The RCC/Zioevangizers are a huge problem because they believe in the "universal church," "universal brotherhood, " "Jews are the chosen people." In the USA, the RCC/Zioevangizers are working with blacks/illegal aliens/Asians because so many Caucasians have left their churches. The Caucasians left because of the blacks/Asians. I was a cradle Catholic but left the RCC because I don't accept black/Asian priests-popes. Many Caucasians are converting to the Orthodox church because the churches are racial/ethnic. The RCC/Zioevangiziers think that they can save the blacks/Asians. I also believe in IQ/evolution and know that nothing can be done with these people. If they want to be Christian, they have to have their own churches in their own countries. Also, we have to stress that the Jews are not the chosen. Today's Jews are a miscegenated, meshuggah melange that have nothing to do with the West or Christianity or the Jews of the Old Testament.

    ” Today’s Jews are a miscegenated, meshuggah melange that have nothing to do with the West or Christianity or the Jews of the Old Testament.”

    And if they were why would their vicious anti-white European actions be any better than they are?

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    • Replies: @attilathehen
    Of course not. They would still be a problem and should not be in the West. They have nothing to do with the West. It is the RCC/Zioevangizers who give them their "power."
  71. The Grenfell Tower tragedy was a despicable case of councillors, council employees, and housing association staff claiming their salaries while not doing their jobs. This attitude is all too common in the British public sector.

    If the writer seriously equates Grenfell Tower with Palestine, then he has lost his argument. Likewise, if he sees the events at the G20 as anything other than thuggery and looting.

    Nevertheless, Palestine is indeed still an issue. The question is, what to actually do about it – and it would be interesting to hear John Pilger’s views on this.

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  72. @Bill Jones
    " Today’s Jews are a miscegenated, meshuggah melange that have nothing to do with the West or Christianity or the Jews of the Old Testament."

    And if they were why would their vicious anti-white European actions be any better than they are?

    Of course not. They would still be a problem and should not be in the West. They have nothing to do with the West. It is the RCC/Zioevangizers who give them their “power.”

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  73. Druid says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Zzzzzzzzzzzz.

    They're just Arabs for Christ's sake.

    While Israel's pernicious influence in Western countries must be opposed, it shouldn't be because of the suffering of Arabs.

    I'll concede that perhaps we should do something for the Palestinian Christians and in particular holy sites like Bethlehem, but not a finger should be lifted for the Mohammedan population. Mohammedans are not only our enemies but are an objectively inferior population.

    That is pathological altruism and will lead to the extinction of our race unless finally suppressed.

    And you’re just a POS descendent of the trashy Viking horde. You should be expelled!

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  74. Druid says:
    @Greasy William

    All over the colonised world, the true sovereignty of indigenous people is feared by those who can never quite cover the fact, and the crime, that they live on stolen land.
     
    First of all, this is article is unreadably bad. But I want to address the above point:

    Russia had no right to dispossess the indigenous inhabitants of Siberia, the Euros had no right to do the same to the same in the Americas and Australia but the Land of Israel is a completely different situation. Comparing the totally unjust colonial conquests of the past with Jewish settlement in the Land of Israel is outrageous.

    The entire world belongs to The Creator. He reserved the Land of Israel for his Chosen People. Yes, the Palestinians have been living in the Land of Israel since time immemorial* but that ignores the fact that they never had the right to be there in the first place. The Land was given to the Jews 4000 years ago by G-d at which point the indigenous inhabitants where required to accept Jewish rule or depart.

    An unlawful squatter does not have the right to cry foul when the rightful owner of a property evicts him.

    But all this is beside the point. In this article we hear not just praise of the totally worthless Palestinian people, but also a promise that they will eventually be able to take the Land of Israel from the rightful Jewish owners. I have been hearing this nonsense my entire life from Palestinian lovers, but what I never hear is "when" or "how"?

    I have pointed this out to the retards here many times, but I will do so again:
    1. Israel has 150 nuclear warheads on hand and produces an additional 3 every year.
    2. Israel has a stronger technological base than the entire Arab/Islamic world combined.
    3. The Arab/Islamic world is second only to African blacks in military ineptitude and have failed miserably every time they have attempted to challenge us on the open field. They resort to terrorism not just against the Jews, but against every adversary they ever face because they are incapable of fighting any other way.

    So when are you going to destroy Israel? You have been talking about it since 1948 and all that has happened is that the Jews have continued to grow, to get stronger and to settle more of the Land, while that Palestinians continue to get squeezed, in the words of the late Raful Eitan, "like cockroaches in a bottle". So far the pattern seems to be the more you talk about the imminent victory of the Palestinians, the more desperate their situation becomes.

    But a more important question, perhaps, is "how?". The Arab Islamic world have already shown it isn't up to militarily defeating Israel. It can't even meaningfully retaliate when we slaughter Palestinians by the thousands or kill their leaders and scientists. So really you would need an outside force to take the Land of Israel. Western Europe is a military joke, so they are out. The United States is less than 50 years from breaking apart so the US is out as well. China is a regional state that has never shown any interest whatsoever in the plight of the Palestinians.

    So that leaves Russia. But Russia can't even get back Syria for their client Assad. The Russian people also have never demonstrated any interest at all in the Palestinians. And even if Russia were to develop the military capability AND the interest to conquer the Land of Israel, exactly how many of their population centers would they be willing to sacrifice in order to do so? We already have 150 nuclear warheads, that number will be 250 minimum (probably double that as Israel looks to expand it's nuclear program with additional reactors) in 30 years which is the earliest possible time Russia would be ready to militarily challenge Israel. The loss of 250 of Russia's largest cities would end Russia as a functioning state: is your thesis that the Russian people are willing to essentially commit suicide so that the Palestinians can resume their illegal squatting in Jewish land?

    You love the Palestinians and that's fine. You think, or at least pretend to think, that the Palestinians will eventually take the country back and that's fine too. But you owe it to non retards who have had to listen to your bullshit for more than half a century now exactly when and how the Palestinians will achieve such a victory.



    *Pretty much every serious Jewish scholar admits as much. Saying that the Jews claim that the Land was uninhabited prior to our return is a straw man when only a few extremist idiots who nobody pays any mind actually do make such a claim.

    Chosen people my blue-black arse. Self chosen rubbish is what you should say!

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  75. @Wally
    I stand corrected on a trivial point.

    Israel's Dirty Little Secret
    How it drives US policies exploiting a spineless Congress and White House
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-dirty-little-secret/


    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    How to Bring Down the Elephant in the Room
    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/how-to-bring-down-the-elephant-in-the-room/

    Israeli occupied territories
    https://codoh.com/media/files/cartoon24s.png

    The 'holocau$t' narrative doesn't hold up to scrutiny so the usual enemies of free speech, supremacist Jews, call for more censorship of the internet.
    http://freetheinternetfromdenial.wesign.it/en
    www.codoh.com
    discussion here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Not a trivial point so much as your only point. And I, an Australian, didn’t even have to check that Gore had won New York state by a huge margin (60 per cent to 35 per cent) to pose my challenge: it was common knowledge for any but the most complete ignoramus. How can you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously when you are as ignorant and/or careless as that?

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  76. @Wally
    I agree, Chuck, 9/11 was 'an inside job'.

    The govt's. laughable conspiracy theory is scientifically impossible

    Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
    http://www.ae911truth.org/

    If something can't happen as alleged, then it didn't happen as alleged.

    Wally,

    The new film, reprise of “Planet of the Apes,” has Holocaust symbolism but no Magilla bin Laden.

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  77. Druid says:
    @Durruti
    Nicely done John Pilger.

    Palestine is not "Still the issue" it is THE ISSUE. Palestine is the moral Crux upon which the future of Humanity flows.

    From the first recorded (or celebrated) Holocaust, (and that was committed by the early Jews), that of Jericho, where every man, woman, child, every living thing, was executed, in a Land thieving operation. As the song goes... "Joshua fit the battle of Jericho, and the walls came tumbling down!" To the domination of the history (and finances) of humankind, (specially since 1815), the moral centrality of Palestine is ever more evident.

    [By way of slight digression, in Hollywood's highly touted "Independence Day" movie, the only religion mentioned (and favorably depicted), is that of the Jews. With the planet facing extinction from foreign alien invaders, there is nary a mention of Christian, Moslem, or any of the world's major (and all but gutted) religions. Hollywood and the rest of the media, in movie after movie, and TV, and written format, there is only one world religion and that is...]

    If you cannot face (and internalize), the ethnic cleansing - genocide being perpetrated against the Palestinians, and by extension, the Arab nations, you are as morally decayed as Hitler, LB Johnson, Stalin, Killery and Wm. Clintons, Bushes, Obombers, Casino Trump, Netenyahoo, and the Rothschilds, and the other ruling Oligarchs.

    I am not an anti-Semite. I like Arabs.

    Arabs are Semites, most Jews are not (read your Koestler). The actual anti-Semites are the Zionist Land Thieves, and their American and European servants. They hate the Semites and destroy their lands and denigrate their history. The distortion of language is one of the key points made by Orwell, in his 1984, which opens the door to totalitarian control of people's minds.

    We Americans must show our Love of Nation and Restore our Republic, which was destroyed by the MOSSAD Rothschilds and other puppet Oligarchs on November 22, 1963. Our last Constitutional President, John F. Kennedy, was drowned in a hail of bullets as he did his best to defend our Republic.

    We did not understand what had occurred. Millions of Vietnamese, Indonesians, Latin Americans, Arabs, and Africans have paid a high price since then. Americans have also suffered. We have declined as a people. The way forward is clear.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eug%C3%A8ne_Delacroix_-_Le_28_Juillet._La_Libert%C3%A9_guidant_le_peuple.jpg

    Well said. And I particularly agree about Hollywood and its portrayal of Jews. The blonde guy it’s always the idiot or bad guy. The Jewish runt always the savior and wins the white Anglo girl in the end. Hate Hollywood movies.

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    'Enemy at the Gates'; They make the Russo-Aryan Jude Law fall for the 'beautiful' Russo-Jewish girl (Rachel Weisz) while battling the evil Nazi sniper played by Ed Harris. Predictable.
  78. Druid says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    We already have 150 nuclear warheads, that number will be 250 minimum (probably double that as Israel looks to expand it’s nuclear program with additional reactors) in 30 years which is the earliest possible time Russia would be ready to militarily challenge Israel. The loss of 250 of Russia’s largest cities would end Russia as a functioning state
     
    Go ahead punk ...
    If the ruskies got even half-a-dozen of theirs off, accurately, the whole of Eretz Israel would melt and dribble into the Med. Those boys don't give a monkey's about collateral (a.k.a. Palestinians). Or God, come to that, you pharisaical vowel-skimping blusterer. You spongers only survive economically due to perpetual extortion of Americans and Germans. How much longer will they put up with that?

    Extortion! Another name for Jews, along with shylocks!

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  79. Druid says:
    @Astuteobservor II
    wow, I never thought christians were so easily duped into believing in the holy land bullshit.

    that is freaking ingenious on the part of the israelis.

    holy land, holy people :) damn, that is why they are untouchable in american media and politics :) this is too good. too many duped retards.

    The operative word being retards. Just watch Hagee’s TV show for a bit and its sooooo obvious!

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  80. Druid says:
    @Maj. Kong
    The European imperialism was justified as a liberal humanitarian project, that was also going to make its supporters wealthy. Sort of like the Clinton Foundation.

    Now, there is a great deal to be noted as being wrong in the British conquest of the Boers. Outside of that issue, imperialism was unprofitable for Europe, and is the main reason why Africa's population boomed to our detriment.

    Cecil Rhodes cared far more about the African than any ruler since independence.

    https://www.amren.com/features/2015/06/the-fortunes-of-africa/

    Man, you are so wrong about Cecil Rhodes caring about Africans. The bastard was genocidal!

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  81. Sherman says:
    @Art
    I guess someone forgot to tell this to Indian PM Modi who was just in Israel and agreed to buy billions of dollars worth of Israeli weapon


    The Jew Matrix produces more arms per capita then any other tribe on the planet.

    You must be proud.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Lies too!

    Hey Genius

    Yep, damn proud of Israel’s arms industry.

    If it wasn’t for Jewish brainpower the country wouldn’t exist.

    Kinda like how you wouldn’t exist without PORK and beans.

    Peace
    Sherm

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    Yep, damn proud of Israel’s arms industry.

    If it wasn’t for Jewish brainpower the country wouldn’t exist.


    Hi Sherm,

    Hmm - how much brainpower does it take to steal other peoples productive secrets?

    The Matrix does a good job of supplying Israel with the world's industrial secrets.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Really, how smart can a country be that does not eat Pork'n beans?
  82. @Z-man
    Greasy scuzz ball Zionist kikenvermin hasbara-ist. Wow, I outdid myself, lol.
    The Palestinians will regain their dignity from the alien invaders sooner or later. Military might and the control of America will not be enough for the Zionist Beast to prevail. The 'will' of the Palestinians not to succumb and the fact that they are on the right side of history, and the truth, will prevail. The Zionist Entity will also disintegrate from within as many who have a conscience will not be able to support the regime and others will just abandon it or even fight against it. Palestine will be reborn where Muslims, Jews and most importantly Christians will live in harmony. Jesus will see to this, you Christ killing vermin.
    ....Or, the Zionists will win unconditionally and destroy all pretense of the moral authority of the West and will bring on Armageddon and then the Second Coming will occur and you Zionist vermin will lose anyway. So either way you lose since you are the cursed children of the Devil.

    Average Palestinian IQ is 85. These people can do nothing. Israeli Jewish IQ is 93 and dropping. Islam is a Christian heresy. Muslims go to hell. Jews are under a Deicidal curse. But the big picture, these groups have no value to the West.

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    This Palestinian certainly had a higher IQ

    Edward W. Said, ‘Orientalism, Western conceptions of the Orient’, 1978, 1991, London

    Edward W. Said, ‘Culture and imperialism’, 1993, London

    Edward W. Said & Christopher Hitchens, ed., Blaming the Victims, Spurious scholarship and the Palestinian question’, 1988, London
  83. @attilathehen
    Average Palestinian IQ is 85. These people can do nothing. Israeli Jewish IQ is 93 and dropping. Islam is a Christian heresy. Muslims go to hell. Jews are under a Deicidal curse. But the big picture, these groups have no value to the West.

    This Palestinian certainly had a higher IQ

    Edward W. Said, ‘Orientalism, Western conceptions of the Orient’, 1978, 1991, London

    Edward W. Said, ‘Culture and imperialism’, 1993, London

    Edward W. Said & Christopher Hitchens, ed., Blaming the Victims, Spurious scholarship and the Palestinian question’, 1988, London

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    Edward Said was a Christian Arab. 85 is the average, but the Christian Arabs dominate at the 90+ IQ levels. That's because they don't practice first cousin marriage or black intermarriage. That's why I can support the Christian Arabs of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and the Palestinian Christians. Muslims are genetic wastes.
  84. One of the really sick things about my support for Donald Trump is that I let his Zionism slide, and continue to do so. As a quasi civic nationalist, I support strengthening our borders by building a better barrier, and it’s been swell to say, “Israel has walls, and we should too!” But as a rationalist, it’s pretty hard to ignore the fact that Zionists have been exterminating the Palestinians since … 1900 at least, and anyone else in their quest for more “living room.” Frankly, I’ve just left my common sense by the wayside, because criticizing Israel in print hasn’t been exactly great for my career. Here in California, there have already been several attempts to stop any criticism of Zionism, so you can bet your ass I’m using a pseudonym.

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  85. Karl says:
    @Svigor

    All over the colonised world, the true sovereignty of indigenous people is feared by those who can never quite cover the fact, and the crime, that they live on stolen land.
     
    In some ways this is a step in the right direction, but it's far too kind to Jews, and too harsh to everyone else.

    North America, for example, was before European contact inhabited by Stone Age savages, fierce warriors and hunters who would as soon rape, enslave, torture, mutilate, and murder you as say hello.

    Palestine was inhabited by farmers, laborers, merchants, etc.

    North American natives were warrior tribes who lived by right of conquest. Not only did they live by right of conquest up until European contact, they lived by right of conquest throughout the period of European conquest. Indian tribes routinely allied themselves with Europeans to fight other Indian tribes, Europeans, or coalitions of both.

    Palestine was a civilized region with private property & chain of ownership.

    Europeans colonized North America in a time when such behavior was widely deemed acceptable.

    Human sacrifice was common among American Indians.

    It was unknown among Palestinians.

    Jews colonized Palestine at a time when the age of colonialism was long past; within a generation, Jewish scholarship would be in lockstep with the anti-colonial narrative (except vis-a-vis their own colonialism in Israel), Jews would be all-in protesting the Vietnam War, etc.

    Indian resistance to European conquest ended more than a century ago.

    Palestinians are pretty clear that they want their shit back, and won't be happy until they get it.

    And all this after the holocaust, which Jews have never stopped harping on.

    There's really no such comparison to be made between the two.

    3 Svigor > Palestine was a civilized region with private property & chain of ownership

    amazing what good colonial supervision by the (non-Arab) Ottomans could accomplish

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  86. Karl says:
    @Anonymous
    The people who call themselves Jews today aren't the same people who were designated as the Chosen People.

    They come from Eastern Europe and took over Judaisim. So no, the current inhabitants aren't entitled to anything.

    64 Anonymous > They come from Eastern Europe

    try selling that song-and-dance at the next Mimouna party.

    I never ceased to be amazed at the all-knowing experts on Israel who have never once set foot in it.

    No wonder Ron Unz got his ass kicked by girls in the California Senator race….

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  87. Z-man says:
    @Druid
    Well said. And I particularly agree about Hollywood and its portrayal of Jews. The blonde guy it's always the idiot or bad guy. The Jewish runt always the savior and wins the white Anglo girl in the end. Hate Hollywood movies.

    ‘Enemy at the Gates’; They make the Russo-Aryan Jude Law fall for the ‘beautiful’ Russo-Jewish girl (Rachel Weisz) while battling the evil Nazi sniper played by Ed Harris. Predictable.

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  88. Z-man says:

    Good news the pro Zionist hack ‘Nutz’ McCain is in the hospital, the bad news is that he’s expected to recover, damn! Christ forgive me. (Smile)

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    I hear that it's a lot worse than first reported, so there's still hope! (Wink)
    Man, karma is going to bite me in the ass!
    Forgive me Lord but I can't help it, 'Nutz' McCain is a vile individual and his departure would be nothing but good for this country.
  89. There were a lot of Jews in Central and Eastern Europe, and then there weren’t. There were whole quarters of major cities full of Jews, and now there aren’t.

    I have no doubt that accounts of the Holocaust have been sensationalised and exaggerated by its primary victims but which disaster isn’t?

    I really don’t get what people like you are trying to say. That Poland still has a huge and thriving Jewish population? Or that it never did and a handful of Jews have somehow placed the bones of a mythological community in the ground to trick you?

    Or maybe they disappeared into Stalinist and not exactly Jew-friendly Russia? Or sailed on an invisible flotilla to America and blended into a very well censused general population?

    Scratching around at whether most were shot, gassed or worked to death really doesn’t matter. Sure traumatised people often lose track of reality when recounting the causes of their trauma but there are a heck of a lot of traumatised people, or rather there were, who were missing most of their family and lived normal lives in the West, consistent till the day they died.

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  90. Art says:
    @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    Yep, damn proud of Israel's arms industry.

    If it wasn't for Jewish brainpower the country wouldn't exist.

    Kinda like how you wouldn't exist without PORK and beans.

    Peace
    Sherm

    Yep, damn proud of Israel’s arms industry.

    If it wasn’t for Jewish brainpower the country wouldn’t exist.

    Hi Sherm,

    Hmm – how much brainpower does it take to steal other peoples productive secrets?

    The Matrix does a good job of supplying Israel with the world’s industrial secrets.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Really, how smart can a country be that does not eat Pork’n beans?

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    p.s. Really, how smart can a country be that does not eat Pork’n beans?
     
    Priceless Mr. Art priceless, I just had some the other day!! Thumbs up!
  91. @jilles dykstra
    This Palestinian certainly had a higher IQ

    Edward W. Said, ‘Orientalism, Western conceptions of the Orient’, 1978, 1991, London

    Edward W. Said, ‘Culture and imperialism’, 1993, London

    Edward W. Said & Christopher Hitchens, ed., Blaming the Victims, Spurious scholarship and the Palestinian question’, 1988, London

    Edward Said was a Christian Arab. 85 is the average, but the Christian Arabs dominate at the 90+ IQ levels. That’s because they don’t practice first cousin marriage or black intermarriage. That’s why I can support the Christian Arabs of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and the Palestinian Christians. Muslims are genetic wastes.

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  92. @chris
    Well than, what was wrong with the Euroean conquest of Africa in the 19th century, didn't we all originate from there?

    Only if you believe all that “Out of Africa” crap. OTOH, if you believe the “We wuz Kings” crap, they deserved to be conquered for squandering their great civilisations, which the West was merely trying to recover from the jungles which did a far more thorough job of erasing any traces of ancient achievements than in any other place on earth.

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  93. Z-man says:
    @Art
    Yep, damn proud of Israel’s arms industry.

    If it wasn’t for Jewish brainpower the country wouldn’t exist.


    Hi Sherm,

    Hmm - how much brainpower does it take to steal other peoples productive secrets?

    The Matrix does a good job of supplying Israel with the world's industrial secrets.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Really, how smart can a country be that does not eat Pork'n beans?

    p.s. Really, how smart can a country be that does not eat Pork’n beans?

    Priceless Mr. Art priceless, I just had some the other day!! Thumbs up!

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  94. Burgo says:

    You must have come down in the last shower, or are under forty, to believe that anti Semite Pilger. Tom.

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  95. Joe Dokes says:

    Hardly objective journalism – this is a completely one-sided, inaccurate propaganda piece. I would point out the many distortions, half-truths, and outright lies, but rather than addressing actual facts, I know I would be attacked – not in the mood for that. Facts apparently don’t matter any more; people looking that the Israel/Arab conflict believe what they want and ignore the rest. So, what does matter? What always matters – which side wins the war. In this case, the Arabs lost. Now they want to undue their failures by getting useful idiots to take their side with propaganda like this. Good luck with that! Lies only go so far; increasingly, no one cares about Arab failure and propaganda. History has moved on.

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    • Replies: @druid
    So what is untrue about what MR. Pilger has written. Seems right to me!
  96. Z-man says:
    @Z-man
    Good news the pro Zionist hack 'Nutz' McCain is in the hospital, the bad news is that he's expected to recover, damn! Christ forgive me. (Smile)

    I hear that it’s a lot worse than first reported, so there’s still hope! (Wink)
    Man, karma is going to bite me in the ass!
    Forgive me Lord but I can’t help it, ‘Nutz’ McCain is a vile individual and his departure would be nothing but good for this country.

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  97. anarchyst says:
    @Greasy William

    All over the colonised world, the true sovereignty of indigenous people is feared by those who can never quite cover the fact, and the crime, that they live on stolen land.
     
    First of all, this is article is unreadably bad. But I want to address the above point:

    Russia had no right to dispossess the indigenous inhabitants of Siberia, the Euros had no right to do the same to the same in the Americas and Australia but the Land of Israel is a completely different situation. Comparing the totally unjust colonial conquests of the past with Jewish settlement in the Land of Israel is outrageous.

    The entire world belongs to The Creator. He reserved the Land of Israel for his Chosen People. Yes, the Palestinians have been living in the Land of Israel since time immemorial* but that ignores the fact that they never had the right to be there in the first place. The Land was given to the Jews 4000 years ago by G-d at which point the indigenous inhabitants where required to accept Jewish rule or depart.

    An unlawful squatter does not have the right to cry foul when the rightful owner of a property evicts him.

    But all this is beside the point. In this article we hear not just praise of the totally worthless Palestinian people, but also a promise that they will eventually be able to take the Land of Israel from the rightful Jewish owners. I have been hearing this nonsense my entire life from Palestinian lovers, but what I never hear is "when" or "how"?

    I have pointed this out to the retards here many times, but I will do so again:
    1. Israel has 150 nuclear warheads on hand and produces an additional 3 every year.
    2. Israel has a stronger technological base than the entire Arab/Islamic world combined.
    3. The Arab/Islamic world is second only to African blacks in military ineptitude and have failed miserably every time they have attempted to challenge us on the open field. They resort to terrorism not just against the Jews, but against every adversary they ever face because they are incapable of fighting any other way.

    So when are you going to destroy Israel? You have been talking about it since 1948 and all that has happened is that the Jews have continued to grow, to get stronger and to settle more of the Land, while that Palestinians continue to get squeezed, in the words of the late Raful Eitan, "like cockroaches in a bottle". So far the pattern seems to be the more you talk about the imminent victory of the Palestinians, the more desperate their situation becomes.

    But a more important question, perhaps, is "how?". The Arab Islamic world have already shown it isn't up to militarily defeating Israel. It can't even meaningfully retaliate when we slaughter Palestinians by the thousands or kill their leaders and scientists. So really you would need an outside force to take the Land of Israel. Western Europe is a military joke, so they are out. The United States is less than 50 years from breaking apart so the US is out as well. China is a regional state that has never shown any interest whatsoever in the plight of the Palestinians.

    So that leaves Russia. But Russia can't even get back Syria for their client Assad. The Russian people also have never demonstrated any interest at all in the Palestinians. And even if Russia were to develop the military capability AND the interest to conquer the Land of Israel, exactly how many of their population centers would they be willing to sacrifice in order to do so? We already have 150 nuclear warheads, that number will be 250 minimum (probably double that as Israel looks to expand it's nuclear program with additional reactors) in 30 years which is the earliest possible time Russia would be ready to militarily challenge Israel. The loss of 250 of Russia's largest cities would end Russia as a functioning state: is your thesis that the Russian people are willing to essentially commit suicide so that the Palestinians can resume their illegal squatting in Jewish land?

    You love the Palestinians and that's fine. You think, or at least pretend to think, that the Palestinians will eventually take the country back and that's fine too. But you owe it to non retards who have had to listen to your bullshit for more than half a century now exactly when and how the Palestinians will achieve such a victory.



    *Pretty much every serious Jewish scholar admits as much. Saying that the Jews claim that the Land was uninhabited prior to our return is a straw man when only a few extremist idiots who nobody pays any mind actually do make such a claim.

    “God” is not a “real estate agent…the “state of Israel” is actually a “state of mind”. One could argue that the United States of America is “the new Israel” as our Constitutionally limited republic has been taken over by Zionist jews…

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  98. druid says:
    @Joe Dokes
    Hardly objective journalism - this is a completely one-sided, inaccurate propaganda piece. I would point out the many distortions, half-truths, and outright lies, but rather than addressing actual facts, I know I would be attacked - not in the mood for that. Facts apparently don't matter any more; people looking that the Israel/Arab conflict believe what they want and ignore the rest. So, what does matter? What always matters - which side wins the war. In this case, the Arabs lost. Now they want to undue their failures by getting useful idiots to take their side with propaganda like this. Good luck with that! Lies only go so far; increasingly, no one cares about Arab failure and propaganda. History has moved on.

    So what is untrue about what MR. Pilger has written. Seems right to me!

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    Nothing. It is very much the truth... and that is what bothers the zionist trolls so much.
  99. Hi There says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Zzzzzzzzzzzz.

    They're just Arabs for Christ's sake.

    While Israel's pernicious influence in Western countries must be opposed, it shouldn't be because of the suffering of Arabs.

    I'll concede that perhaps we should do something for the Palestinian Christians and in particular holy sites like Bethlehem, but not a finger should be lifted for the Mohammedan population. Mohammedans are not only our enemies but are an objectively inferior population.

    That is pathological altruism and will lead to the extinction of our race unless finally suppressed.

    Zionism: 19th eugenics movement writ large; largely made up of colonistic xenophobes. Proof- the above commenter.

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  100. @L.K
    But you are obviously a bloody troll.

    But you are obviously a bloody troll.

    Because I don’t limit my anti-Semitism to a few beanie-tops in the West, but share it with the entire race of 400m or so?

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  101. utu says:

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article197075.html

    This is the source of the incredible plan to reunite the two major Palestinian factions, to oust old Mahmoud Abbas (82), to recognise a puppet Palestinian state, and to install as its leader … General Mohammed Dahlan.

    Mohammed Dahlan is the leader of Fatah who secretly became an Israëli agent, fought violently against Hamas, and then poisoned Yasser Arafat. Unmasked, he was excluded from Fatah, fled to Montenegro, and was found guilty in absentia. For the last few years, he has been living in the United Arab Emirates, where he enjoys a fortune of 120 million dollars misappropriated from the Palestinian Authority. He will supposedly be welcomed in Gaza by his historical enemies from Hamas, including the new « Prime Minister » Yahya Sinwar, whom, it transpires, is one of his childhood friends. Forgetting the past, he will be tasked with fighting the Army of Islam, in other words, the Palestinian branch of Daesh.

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  102. L.K says:
    @druid
    So what is untrue about what MR. Pilger has written. Seems right to me!

    Nothing. It is very much the truth… and that is what bothers the zionist trolls so much.

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  103. L.K says:

    Given that so many lies are told about the Palestinians & about how Israel came into existence, the antidote is the truth.
    Author Alison Weir, of “Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel”, has written a nice summary of how the conflict originated & developed;

    Background of the U.N. Partition Recommendation

    In 1947 the U.N. took up the question of Palestine, a territory that was then administered by the British.

    Approximately 50 years before, a movement called political Zionism had begun in Europe. Its intention was to create a Jewish state in Palestine through pushing out the Christian and Muslim inhabitants who made up over 95 percent of its population and replacing them with Jewish immigrants.

    As this colonial project grew through subsequent years, the indigenous Palestinians reacted with occasional bouts of violence; Zionists had anticipated this since people usually resist being expelled from their land. In various written documents cited by numerous Palestinian and Israeli historians, they discussed their strategy: They would either buy up the land until all the previous inhabitants had emigrated or, failing this, use violence to force them out.

    When the buy-out effort was able to obtain only a few percent of the land, Zionists created a number of terrorist groups to fight against both the Palestinians and the British. Terrorist and future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin later bragged that Zionists had brought terrorism both to the Middle East and to the world at large.

    Finally, in 1947 the British announced that they would be ending their control of Palestine, which had been created through the League of Nations following World War I, and turned the question of Palestine over to the United Nations.

    At this time, the Zionist immigration and buyout project had increased the Jewish population of Palestine to 30 percent and land ownership from 1 percent to approximately 6 percent.

    Since a founding principle of the U.N. was “self-determination of peoples,” one would have expected to the U.N. to support fair, democratic elections in which inhabitants could create their own independent country.

    Instead, Zionists pushed for a General Assembly resolution in which they would be given a disproportionate 55 percent of Palestine. (While they rarely announced this publicly, their stated plan was to later take the rest of Palestine.)

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  104. L.K says:

    The Real Story of How Israel Was Created
    by Alison Weir / part 2

    …The common representation of Israel’s birth is that the U.N. created Israel, that the world was in favor of this move, and that the U.S. governmental establishment supported it. All these assumptions are demonstrably incorrect.

    In reality, while the U.N. General Assembly recommended the creation of a Jewish state in part of Palestine, that recommendation was non-binding and never implemented by the Security Council.

    Second, the General Assembly passed that recommendation only after Israel proponents threatened and bribed numerous countries in order to gain a required two-thirds of votes.

    Third, the U.S. administration supported the recommendation out of domestic electoral considerations and took this position over the strenuous objections of the State Department, the CIA, and the Pentagon.

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  105. L.K says:

    The Real Story of How Israel Was Created
    by Alison Weir / part 3

    U.S. Officials Oppose Partition Plan

    The U.S. State Department opposed this partition plan strenuously, considering Zionism contrary to both fundamental American principles and U.S. interests.

    Author Donald Neff reports that Loy Henderson, Director of the State Department’s Office of Near Eastern and African Affairs, wrote a memo to the secretary of state warning:

    [S]upport by the Government of the United States of a policy favoring the setting up of a Jewish State in Palestine would be contrary to the wishes of a large majority of the local inhabitants with respect to their form of government. Furthermore, it would have a strongly adverse effect upon American interests throughout the Near and Middle East ….” [Citations.]
    Henderson went on to emphasize:

    At the present time the United States has a moral prestige in the Near and Middle East unequaled by that of any other great power. We would lose that prestige and would be likely for many years to be considered as a betrayer of the high principles which we ourselves have enunciated during the period of the war.
    When Zionists began pushing for a partition plan through the U.N., Henderson recommended strongly against supporting their proposal. He warned that such a partition would have to be implemented by force and emphasized that it was “not based on any principle.” He went on to write:

    [Partition] would guarantee that the Palestine problem would be permanent and still more complicated in the future ….
    Henderson went on to emphasize:

    [proposals for partition] are in definite contravention to various principles laid down in the [U.N.] Charter as well as to principles on which American concepts of Government are based. These proposals, for instance, ignore such principles as self-determination and majority rule. They recognize the principle of a theocratic racial state and even go so far in several instances as to discriminate on grounds of religion and race ….
    Henderson was far from alone in making his recommendations. He wrote that his views were not only those of the entire Near East Division but were shared by “nearly every member of the Foreign Service or of the Department who has worked to any appreciable extent on Near Eastern problems.”

    Henderson wasn’t exaggerating. Official after official and agency after agency opposed Zionism.

    One can see now that Henderson’s predictions were pretty accurate.

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  106. L.K says:

    The Real Story of How Israel Was Created
    by Alison Weir / part 4

    An internal State Department memorandum accurately predicted how Israel would be born through armed aggression masked as defense:

    [T]he Jews will be the actual aggressors against the Arabs. However, the Jews will claim that they are merely defending the boundaries of a state which were traced by the U.N. …. In the event of such Arab outside aid the Jews will come running to the Security Council with the claim that their state is the object of armed aggression and will use every means to obscure the fact that it is their own armed aggression against the Arabs inside which is the cause of Arab counter-attack.

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  107. Talha says:

    Ho dang!

    “U.S. Lawmakers Seek to Criminally Outlaw Support for Boycott Campaign Against Israel”

    https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/

    I guess you just better buy that hummus you picked up off the shelf. No – don’t put it back because the label says it’s an Israeli product – you best not do that – Uncle Sam is gonna make sure you don’t boycott pappy.

    Say it with me America – who’s our daddy, who’s our daddy???

    Peace.

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    Thanks for posting, Talha.

    A few of the most pertinent quotes:

    Perhaps the most shocking aspect is the punishment: Anyone guilty of violating the prohibitions will face a minimum civil penalty of $250,000 and a maximum criminal penalty of $1 million and 20 years in prison.

    The proposed measure, called the Israel Anti-Boycott Act (S. 720), was introduced by Cardin on March 23. The Jewish Telegraphic Agency reports that the bill “was drafted with the assistance of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.” Indeed, AIPAC, in its 2017 lobbying agenda, identified passage of this bill as one of its top lobbying priorities for the year:...


    Third, AIPAC continues to be one of the most powerful, and pernicious, lobbying forces in the country. In what conceivable sense is it of benefit to Americans to turn them into felons for the crime of engaging in political activism in protest of a foreign nation’s government? And this is hardly the first time they have attempted to do this through their most devoted congressional loyalists; Cardin, for instance, had previously succeeded in inserting into trade bills provisions that would disfavor anyone who supports a boycott of Israel.
     
    Biggest question: how far is The Lobby prepared to pull on the string before it snaps?
  108. geokat62 says:
    @Talha
    Ho dang!

    "U.S. Lawmakers Seek to Criminally Outlaw Support for Boycott Campaign Against Israel"
    https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/

    I guess you just better buy that hummus you picked up off the shelf. No - don't put it back because the label says it's an Israeli product - you best not do that - Uncle Sam is gonna make sure you don't boycott pappy.

    Say it with me America - who's our daddy, who's our daddy???

    Peace.

    Thanks for posting, Talha.

    A few of the most pertinent quotes:

    Perhaps the most shocking aspect is the punishment: Anyone guilty of violating the prohibitions will face a minimum civil penalty of $250,000 and a maximum criminal penalty of $1 million and 20 years in prison.

    The proposed measure, called the Israel Anti-Boycott Act (S. 720), was introduced by Cardin on March 23. The Jewish Telegraphic Agency reports that the bill “was drafted with the assistance of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.” Indeed, AIPAC, in its 2017 lobbying agenda, identified passage of this bill as one of its top lobbying priorities for the year:…

    Third, AIPAC continues to be one of the most powerful, and pernicious, lobbying forces in the country. In what conceivable sense is it of benefit to Americans to turn them into felons for the crime of engaging in political activism in protest of a foreign nation’s government? And this is hardly the first time they have attempted to do this through their most devoted congressional loyalists; Cardin, for instance, had previously succeeded in inserting into trade bills provisions that would disfavor anyone who supports a boycott of Israel.

    Biggest question: how far is The Lobby prepared to pull on the string before it snaps?

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Hey Geo,

    Biggest question: how far is The Lobby prepared to pull on the string before it snaps?
     
    Every year I get surprised at what they are able to pull off. Eventually though, it might be that they hit up against some sort of a limitation in the form of a disastrous war where we lose an entire field army or some other thing where the market reaction to our policies causes something to collapse. I don't know and I don't necessarily hope for this either because of how many people the fallout would affect.

    I'd rather we just learn our lesson, but their propaganda machine is insanely well-oiled. Remember what happened to Helen Thomas?

    But I'm doing my (little) part - whenever my Jewish co-workers go to Israel and bring back goodies to the office - I abstain! Even on the chocolates!

    Anyone can support Palestine by buying some of their products. A couple of ways are to:
    1) Look online for "palestine products" - lot's of options
    2) Phone up your local Arabic store and ask if they carry products from Palestine

    I just bought my daughter a nice band that was made in native Palestinian weave patterns. It won't change the world, but it'll help some people keep the lights on.

    Peace.

    , @geokat62

    Biggest question: how far is The Lobby prepared to pull on the string before it snaps?
     
    Philip Weiss has just chimed in on this blockbuster story with this piece on MW:

    The bill is such a crude example of overreach by the Israel lobby that it is sure to backfire on its supporters as Greenwald and Grim’s report ricochets around the Democratic Party...

    What I can add to this story: BDS is a nonviolent movement to put pressure on Israel to respect Palestinian human rights; and it arose 12 years ago from Palestinian activists because governments had failed to apply that pressure. No, government pressure was on Israel’s side, as this bill shows. Israel vehemently opposes it BDS because BDS has been effective; it is working in putting pressure on Israel and in transforming the politics of Israel around the world. Witness this bill. Benjamin Netanyahu gives speeches slamming BDS over and over, as an existential threat. Because he knows BDS helped to bring down apartheid South Africa. If anything announces that the South Africa struggle has come to the U.S. over Israel, here it is.

    This bill is the work of the Israel lobby. It was drafted by one of its lead groups, AIPAC– “one of the most powerful, and pernicious, lobbying forces in the country,” as the Intercept puts it. Greenwald and Grim raise the issue of the American interest:

    In what conceivable sense is it of benefit to Americans to turn them into felons for the crime of engaging in political activism in protest of a foreign nation’s government?
     
    I would answer that question frankly by explaining that the bill is about the Israel lobby’s presence inside the Democratic Party, and therefore of the role of conservative Zionist Jews inside the Democratic Party. The efforts by many to claim that the Israel lobby is also evangelical Christians (lately Paul Pillar at Lobelog) is pure deception when it comes to the Democratic Party. Evangelical Christians don’t tell Schumer and Gillibrand how to vote on stem-cell research or abortion, and they don’t tell them how to vote on Israel either. No, the organized Jewish community does.

    Older Jews tend to be huge ideological supporters of Israel. Ben Cardin goes to synagogues and tells other older Jews that Palestinian statehood is “anti-American.” Schumer has called himself the “Schomer” or guardian of Israel and said that there is a Jewish interest in supporting Israel. A year ago Stephanie Schriock of Emily’s List and JJ Goldberg of the Forward described the “gigantic” and “shocking” degree of the Democratic Party’s reliance on Jewish wealth for campaign contributions.

    Ultimately this is a story about the fight inside Jewish life over Zionism and support for Israel. I believe we will win this fight, and that this legislation will help us. The legislation will shock many civil-liberties-loving Jews. The Intercept story will force legislators to redraft the legislation.

    And, most important: a diverse coalition of human-rights-loving Democrats are enraged by this legislation and are organizing against AIPAC’s role in the party. Call it the Keith Ellison wing, the Sanders wing– young Jews, young Latinos, blacks, women — they want a more progressive policy on Israel and many of them support BDS. Bernie Sanders did not attend the AIPAC conference in 2016, because his base opposed such pandering, and that base is fighting for the party.

    Lastly, remember this story and the frank declaration of support for a foreign nation by legislators the next time you hear about the insidious influence of Russia in our politics. As the Intercept notes, “Among the co-sponsors of the bill are several of the politicians who have become political celebrities by positioning themselves as media leaders of the anti-Trump #Resistance, including three California House members who have become heroes to Democrats and staples of the cable news circuit: Ted Lieu, Adam Schiff, and Eric Swalwell.”

    Adam Schiff is worthy of special mention, as David Bromwich points out to me. “He is among the scores of obedient Democrats co-sponsoring the bill. Schiff has a high reputation in liberal circles, but he voted for the Iraq war, supported the Saudi intervention in Yemen, said the assassination of Qaddafi was ‘an end to the first chapter of another popular revolution,’ and approved of Trump’s bombing of Syria. On foreign policy he is a believer in the conventional wisdom of the Cold War and the War on Terror, that’s all; but his opinions have taken on an outsize importance since he is now routinely accepted as the party’s outstanding authority on Russia. He knows Russia about as well as he knew Iraq and Libya.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/07/shockwaves-progressive-community/
     
  109. Talha says:
    @geokat62
    Thanks for posting, Talha.

    A few of the most pertinent quotes:

    Perhaps the most shocking aspect is the punishment: Anyone guilty of violating the prohibitions will face a minimum civil penalty of $250,000 and a maximum criminal penalty of $1 million and 20 years in prison.

    The proposed measure, called the Israel Anti-Boycott Act (S. 720), was introduced by Cardin on March 23. The Jewish Telegraphic Agency reports that the bill “was drafted with the assistance of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.” Indeed, AIPAC, in its 2017 lobbying agenda, identified passage of this bill as one of its top lobbying priorities for the year:...


    Third, AIPAC continues to be one of the most powerful, and pernicious, lobbying forces in the country. In what conceivable sense is it of benefit to Americans to turn them into felons for the crime of engaging in political activism in protest of a foreign nation’s government? And this is hardly the first time they have attempted to do this through their most devoted congressional loyalists; Cardin, for instance, had previously succeeded in inserting into trade bills provisions that would disfavor anyone who supports a boycott of Israel.
     
    Biggest question: how far is The Lobby prepared to pull on the string before it snaps?

    Hey Geo,

    Biggest question: how far is The Lobby prepared to pull on the string before it snaps?

    Every year I get surprised at what they are able to pull off. Eventually though, it might be that they hit up against some sort of a limitation in the form of a disastrous war where we lose an entire field army or some other thing where the market reaction to our policies causes something to collapse. I don’t know and I don’t necessarily hope for this either because of how many people the fallout would affect.

    I’d rather we just learn our lesson, but their propaganda machine is insanely well-oiled. Remember what happened to Helen Thomas?

    But I’m doing my (little) part – whenever my Jewish co-workers go to Israel and bring back goodies to the office – I abstain! Even on the chocolates!

    Anyone can support Palestine by buying some of their products. A couple of ways are to:
    1) Look online for “palestine products” – lot’s of options
    2) Phone up your local Arabic store and ask if they carry products from Palestine

    I just bought my daughter a nice band that was made in native Palestinian weave patterns. It won’t change the world, but it’ll help some people keep the lights on.

    Peace.

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  110. @anon
    Your right. Comparing Palestine to the Americas and Australia is absurd. Oranges and apples.

    There was no Israel during the the fall of Christian Constantinople, the Andalus, Battle of Lepanto, the Barbary pirates, etc. Don’t let those guys fool you into thinking that’s the main issue.
    Muslims are land-grabbers. It’s what they do. It’s what they have always done and will continue to do.
    Israel is certainly no less corrupt than your average South American dictatorship, but it likes its tourist economy, so it will preserve things like the Via Dolorosa and the Tomb of Christ, even if it doesn’t like YOU.
    Muslims not only blow up objects of other religions’ veneration, such as centuries-old Buddhist Statues and millennia-old pre-Islamic idols in in what is now Iraq, they also blow up their own. They blew up the tomb thought to be Jonah’s, although he is accepted in Islam as the prophet Yunnus. Some wanted to blow up Mohammed’s tomb, as they thought devotion to him was a form of idolatry.
    The Muslim Brotherhood wanted to blow up, or at least wax over, the Sphinx and the Great Pyramids. So much for whatever is left of Egypt’s tourist economy, which was quite healthy when H’wood was filming “The Ten Commandments” and James Bond movies on location with the full cooperation of the Egyptian government.
    They don’t just go after religion. They go after history. They would not hesitate to blow up Sutton Hoo or Oseberg and then pretend they never existed. Allah forbid that any culture besides their own gain credit for its achievements!
    THAT is the issue.

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  111. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62
    Thanks for posting, Talha.

    A few of the most pertinent quotes:

    Perhaps the most shocking aspect is the punishment: Anyone guilty of violating the prohibitions will face a minimum civil penalty of $250,000 and a maximum criminal penalty of $1 million and 20 years in prison.

    The proposed measure, called the Israel Anti-Boycott Act (S. 720), was introduced by Cardin on March 23. The Jewish Telegraphic Agency reports that the bill “was drafted with the assistance of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.” Indeed, AIPAC, in its 2017 lobbying agenda, identified passage of this bill as one of its top lobbying priorities for the year:...


    Third, AIPAC continues to be one of the most powerful, and pernicious, lobbying forces in the country. In what conceivable sense is it of benefit to Americans to turn them into felons for the crime of engaging in political activism in protest of a foreign nation’s government? And this is hardly the first time they have attempted to do this through their most devoted congressional loyalists; Cardin, for instance, had previously succeeded in inserting into trade bills provisions that would disfavor anyone who supports a boycott of Israel.
     
    Biggest question: how far is The Lobby prepared to pull on the string before it snaps?

    Biggest question: how far is The Lobby prepared to pull on the string before it snaps?

    Philip Weiss has just chimed in on this blockbuster story with this piece on MW:

    The bill is such a crude example of overreach by the Israel lobby that it is sure to backfire on its supporters as Greenwald and Grim’s report ricochets around the Democratic Party…

    What I can add to this story: BDS is a nonviolent movement to put pressure on Israel to respect Palestinian human rights; and it arose 12 years ago from Palestinian activists because governments had failed to apply that pressure. No, government pressure was on Israel’s side, as this bill shows. Israel vehemently opposes it BDS because BDS has been effective; it is working in putting pressure on Israel and in transforming the politics of Israel around the world. Witness this bill. Benjamin Netanyahu gives speeches slamming BDS over and over, as an existential threat. Because he knows BDS helped to bring down apartheid South Africa. If anything announces that the South Africa struggle has come to the U.S. over Israel, here it is.

    This bill is the work of the Israel lobby. It was drafted by one of its lead groups, AIPAC– “one of the most powerful, and pernicious, lobbying forces in the country,” as the Intercept puts it. Greenwald and Grim raise the issue of the American interest:

    In what conceivable sense is it of benefit to Americans to turn them into felons for the crime of engaging in political activism in protest of a foreign nation’s government?

    I would answer that question frankly by explaining that the bill is about the Israel lobby’s presence inside the Democratic Party, and therefore of the role of conservative Zionist Jews inside the Democratic Party. The efforts by many to claim that the Israel lobby is also evangelical Christians (lately Paul Pillar at Lobelog) is pure deception when it comes to the Democratic Party. Evangelical Christians don’t tell Schumer and Gillibrand how to vote on stem-cell research or abortion, and they don’t tell them how to vote on Israel either. No, the organized Jewish community does.

    Older Jews tend to be huge ideological supporters of Israel. Ben Cardin goes to synagogues and tells other older Jews that Palestinian statehood is “anti-American.” Schumer has called himself the “Schomer” or guardian of Israel and said that there is a Jewish interest in supporting Israel. A year ago Stephanie Schriock of Emily’s List and JJ Goldberg of the Forward described the “gigantic” and “shocking” degree of the Democratic Party’s reliance on Jewish wealth for campaign contributions.

    Ultimately this is a story about the fight inside Jewish life over Zionism and support for Israel. I believe we will win this fight, and that this legislation will help us. The legislation will shock many civil-liberties-loving Jews. The Intercept story will force legislators to redraft the legislation.

    And, most important: a diverse coalition of human-rights-loving Democrats are enraged by this legislation and are organizing against AIPAC’s role in the party. Call it the Keith Ellison wing, the Sanders wing– young Jews, young Latinos, blacks, women — they want a more progressive policy on Israel and many of them support BDS. Bernie Sanders did not attend the AIPAC conference in 2016, because his base opposed such pandering, and that base is fighting for the party.

    Lastly, remember this story and the frank declaration of support for a foreign nation by legislators the next time you hear about the insidious influence of Russia in our politics. As the Intercept notes, “Among the co-sponsors of the bill are several of the politicians who have become political celebrities by positioning themselves as media leaders of the anti-Trump #Resistance, including three California House members who have become heroes to Democrats and staples of the cable news circuit: Ted Lieu, Adam Schiff, and Eric Swalwell.”

    Adam Schiff is worthy of special mention, as David Bromwich points out to me. “He is among the scores of obedient Democrats co-sponsoring the bill. Schiff has a high reputation in liberal circles, but he voted for the Iraq war, supported the Saudi intervention in Yemen, said the assassination of Qaddafi was ‘an end to the first chapter of another popular revolution,’ and approved of Trump’s bombing of Syria. On foreign policy he is a believer in the conventional wisdom of the Cold War and the War on Terror, that’s all; but his opinions have taken on an outsize importance since he is now routinely accepted as the party’s outstanding authority on Russia. He knows Russia about as well as he knew Iraq and Libya.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/07/shockwaves-progressive-community/

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Hey Geo,

    Ultimately this is a story about the fight inside Jewish life over Zionism and support for Israel. I believe we will win this fight, and that this legislation will help us. The legislation will shock many civil-liberties-loving Jews.
     
    I think this is pure gold. The ultra-unapologetic-Zionists remind me a lot about the extremists in my community. Completely uncompromising, they make enemies out of everyone. Just like Daesh was recently crushed by Muslim armies, ultimately Jews that care about taking ethical positions will have to help rout out these monsters otherwise they will always use the Anti-Semitism bludgeon.

    Peace.
  112. Talha says:
    @geokat62

    Biggest question: how far is The Lobby prepared to pull on the string before it snaps?
     
    Philip Weiss has just chimed in on this blockbuster story with this piece on MW:

    The bill is such a crude example of overreach by the Israel lobby that it is sure to backfire on its supporters as Greenwald and Grim’s report ricochets around the Democratic Party...

    What I can add to this story: BDS is a nonviolent movement to put pressure on Israel to respect Palestinian human rights; and it arose 12 years ago from Palestinian activists because governments had failed to apply that pressure. No, government pressure was on Israel’s side, as this bill shows. Israel vehemently opposes it BDS because BDS has been effective; it is working in putting pressure on Israel and in transforming the politics of Israel around the world. Witness this bill. Benjamin Netanyahu gives speeches slamming BDS over and over, as an existential threat. Because he knows BDS helped to bring down apartheid South Africa. If anything announces that the South Africa struggle has come to the U.S. over Israel, here it is.

    This bill is the work of the Israel lobby. It was drafted by one of its lead groups, AIPAC– “one of the most powerful, and pernicious, lobbying forces in the country,” as the Intercept puts it. Greenwald and Grim raise the issue of the American interest:

    In what conceivable sense is it of benefit to Americans to turn them into felons for the crime of engaging in political activism in protest of a foreign nation’s government?
     
    I would answer that question frankly by explaining that the bill is about the Israel lobby’s presence inside the Democratic Party, and therefore of the role of conservative Zionist Jews inside the Democratic Party. The efforts by many to claim that the Israel lobby is also evangelical Christians (lately Paul Pillar at Lobelog) is pure deception when it comes to the Democratic Party. Evangelical Christians don’t tell Schumer and Gillibrand how to vote on stem-cell research or abortion, and they don’t tell them how to vote on Israel either. No, the organized Jewish community does.

    Older Jews tend to be huge ideological supporters of Israel. Ben Cardin goes to synagogues and tells other older Jews that Palestinian statehood is “anti-American.” Schumer has called himself the “Schomer” or guardian of Israel and said that there is a Jewish interest in supporting Israel. A year ago Stephanie Schriock of Emily’s List and JJ Goldberg of the Forward described the “gigantic” and “shocking” degree of the Democratic Party’s reliance on Jewish wealth for campaign contributions.

    Ultimately this is a story about the fight inside Jewish life over Zionism and support for Israel. I believe we will win this fight, and that this legislation will help us. The legislation will shock many civil-liberties-loving Jews. The Intercept story will force legislators to redraft the legislation.

    And, most important: a diverse coalition of human-rights-loving Democrats are enraged by this legislation and are organizing against AIPAC’s role in the party. Call it the Keith Ellison wing, the Sanders wing– young Jews, young Latinos, blacks, women — they want a more progressive policy on Israel and many of them support BDS. Bernie Sanders did not attend the AIPAC conference in 2016, because his base opposed such pandering, and that base is fighting for the party.

    Lastly, remember this story and the frank declaration of support for a foreign nation by legislators the next time you hear about the insidious influence of Russia in our politics. As the Intercept notes, “Among the co-sponsors of the bill are several of the politicians who have become political celebrities by positioning themselves as media leaders of the anti-Trump #Resistance, including three California House members who have become heroes to Democrats and staples of the cable news circuit: Ted Lieu, Adam Schiff, and Eric Swalwell.”

    Adam Schiff is worthy of special mention, as David Bromwich points out to me. “He is among the scores of obedient Democrats co-sponsoring the bill. Schiff has a high reputation in liberal circles, but he voted for the Iraq war, supported the Saudi intervention in Yemen, said the assassination of Qaddafi was ‘an end to the first chapter of another popular revolution,’ and approved of Trump’s bombing of Syria. On foreign policy he is a believer in the conventional wisdom of the Cold War and the War on Terror, that’s all; but his opinions have taken on an outsize importance since he is now routinely accepted as the party’s outstanding authority on Russia. He knows Russia about as well as he knew Iraq and Libya.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/07/shockwaves-progressive-community/
     

    Hey Geo,

    Ultimately this is a story about the fight inside Jewish life over Zionism and support for Israel. I believe we will win this fight, and that this legislation will help us. The legislation will shock many civil-liberties-loving Jews.

    I think this is pure gold. The ultra-unapologetic-Zionists remind me a lot about the extremists in my community. Completely uncompromising, they make enemies out of everyone. Just like Daesh was recently crushed by Muslim armies, ultimately Jews that care about taking ethical positions will have to help rout out these monsters otherwise they will always use the Anti-Semitism bludgeon.

    Peace.

    Read More
  113. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I am somewhat sympathetic to Palestinians and not a defender of Israel.

    But please, really, more than any people in the entire world, Palestinians have been given a TON of chances to get land and independence, and they have blown it every time. From 1948 to now.

    People are sick of hearing about this issue.

    Palestinians got Gaza, and they have blown it. It could have been a paradise but, no, they had to make war.

    Palestinians want war. They don’t want an Israel. Fine, but don’t pretend otherwise. Make war if you wish but don’t ask for others’ help.

    I do not care for Israel but that does not mean I think Palestinians are right.

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  114. Vickpm says:

    This article is pure cult Marx. Deny reality. Israel really doesn’t exist. So why is Pilger so exercised? Israel persecution complex? Hey Pilger…you need to see a doctuh!

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