The Unz Review - Mobile
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 Michael Hoffman Archive
Whites in Servitude in Early America and Industrial Britain
🔊 Listen RSS
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information



=>
shutterstock_764157574

Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • BShow CommentNext New CommentNext New Reply
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments
List of Bookmarks

Podcast Interview: They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold Story of Enslavement of Whites in Early America.

ORDER IT NOW

In 1997, Prime Minister Paul Keating of Australia refused to show “proper respect” to Britain’s Queen Elizabeth II during her state visit. In response, Terry Dicks, a Conservative member of the British Parliament said, “It’s a country of ex-convicts, so we should not be surprised by the rudeness of their prime minister.”A slur such as this would be considered unthinkable if it were uttered against any other class or race of people except the descendants of White slavery. Dicks’ remark is not only offensive, it is ignorant and false. Most of Australia’s “convicts” were shipped into servitude for such “crimes” as stealing seven yards of lace, cutting trees on an aristocrat’s estate or poaching sheep to feed a starving family.

The arrogant disregard for the holocaust visited upon the poor and working class Whites of Britain by the aristocracy continues in our time because the history of that epoch has been almost completely extirpated from our collective memory.

When White servitude is acknowledged as having existed in America, it is almost always termed as temporary “indentured servitude” or part of the convict trade, which, after the Revolution of 1776, centered on Australia instead of America. The “convicts” transported to America under the 1723 Waltham Act, perhaps numbered 100,000.

The indentured servants who served a tidy little period of 4 to 7 years polishing the master’s silver and china and then taking their place in colonial high society, were a minuscule fraction of the great unsung hundreds of thousands of White slaves who were worked to death in this country from the early l7th century onward.

Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America’s first slaves. These Whites were slaves for life, long before Blacks ever were. This slavery was even hereditary. White children born to White slaves were enslaved too.

Whites were auctioned on the block with children sold and separated from their parents and wives sold and separated from their husbands. Free Black property owners strutted the streets of northern and southern American cities while White slaves were worked to death in the sugar mills of Barbados and Jamaica and the plantations of Virginia.

The Establishment has created the misnomer of “indentured servitude” to explain away and minimize the fact of White slavery. But bound Whites in early America called themselves slaves. Nine-tenths of the White slavery in America was conducted without indentures of any kind but according to the so-called “custom of the country,” as it was known, which was lifetime slavery administered by the White slave merchants themselves.

In George Sandys laws for Virginia, Whites were enslaved “forever.” The service of Whites bound to Berkeley’s Hundred was deemed “perpetual.” These accounts have been policed out of the much touted “standard reference works” such as Abbott Emerson Smith’s laughable whitewash, Colonists in Bondage.

I challenge any researcher to study 17th century colonial America, sifting the documents, the jargon and the statutes on both sides of the Atlantic and one will discover that White slavery was a far more extensive operation than Black enslavement. It is when we come to the 18th century that one begins to encounter more “servitude” on the basis of a contract of indenture. But even in that period there was kidnapping of Anglo-Saxons into slavery as well as convict slavery.

In 1855, Frederic Law Olmsted, the landscape architect who designed New York’s Central Park, was in Alabama on a pleasure trip and saw bales of cotton being thrown from a considerable height into a cargo ship’s hold. The men tossing the bales somewhat recklessly into the hold were Negroes, the men in the hold were Irish.

Olmsted inquired about this to a shipworker. “Oh,” said the worker, “the niggers are worth too much to be risked here; if the Paddies are knocked overboard or get their backs broke, nobody loses anything.”

Before British slavers traveled to Africa’s western coast to buy Black slaves from African chieftains, they sold their own White working class kindred (“the surplus poor” as they were known) from the streets and towns of England, into slavery. Tens of thousands of these White slaves were kidnapped children. In fact the very origin of the word kidnapped is kid-nabbed, the stealing of White children for enslavement.

According to the English Dictionary of the Underworld, under the heading kidnapper is the following definition: “A stealer of human beings, esp. of children; originally for exportation to the plantations of North America.” The center of the trade in child-slaves was in the port cities of Britain and Scotland: “Press gangs in the hire of local merchants roamed the streets, seizing ‘by force such boys as seemed proper subjects for the slave trade.’ Children were driven in flocks through the town and confined for shipment in barns…So flagrant was the practice that people in the countryside about Aberdeen avoided bringing children into the city for fear they might be stolen; and so widespread was the collusion of merchants, shippers, suppliers and even magistrates that the man who exposed it was forced to recant and run out of town.” (Van der Zee,Bound Over, p. 210).

White slaves transported to the colonies suffered a staggering loss of life in the 17th and 18th century. During the voyage to America it was customary to keep the White slaves below deck for the entire nine to twelve week journey. A White slave would be confined to a hole not more than sixteen feet long, chained with 50 other men to a board, with padlocked collars around their necks. The weeks of confinement below deck in the ship’s stifling hold often resulted in outbreaks of contagious disease which would sweep through the “cargo” of White “freight” chained in the bowels of the ship.

Ships carrying White slaves to America often lost half their slaves to death. According to historian Sharon V. Salinger, “Scattered data reveal that the mortality for [White] servants at certain times equaled that for [Black] slaves in the ‘middle passage,’ and during other periods actually exceeded the death rate for [Black] slaves.” Salinger reports a death rate of ten to twenty percent over the entire 18th century for Black slaves on board ships enroute to America compared with a death rate of 25% for White slaves enroute to America.

Foster R. Dulles writing in Labor in America: A History, states that whether convicts, children ‘spirited’ from the countryside or political prisoners, White slaves “experienced discomforts and sufferings on their voyage across the Atlantic that paralleled the cruel hardships undergone by negro slaves on the notorious Middle Passage.”

ORDER IT NOW

Dulles says the Whites were “indiscriminately herded aboard the ‘white guineamen,’ often as many as 300 passengers on little vessels of not more than 200 tons burden–overcrowded, unsanitary…The mortality rate was sometimes as high as 50% and young children seldom survived the horrors of a voyage which might last anywhere from seven to twelve weeks.”

Independent investigator A.B. Ellis in the Argosywrites concerning the transport of White slaves, “The human cargo, many of whom were still tormented by unhealed wounds, could not all lie down at once without lying on each other. They were never suffered to go on deck. The hatchway was constantly watched by sentinels armed with hangers and blunder busses. In the dungeons below all was darkness, stench, lamentation, disease and death.”

Marcus Jernegan describes the greed of the shipmasters which led to horrendous loss of life for White slaves transported to America:

“The voyage over often repeated the horrors of the famous ‘middle passage’ of slavery fame. An average cargo was three hundred, but the shipmaster, for greater profit, would sometimes crowd as many as six hundred into a small vessel…The mortality under such circumstances was tremendous, sometimes more than half…Mittelberger (an eyewitness) says he saw thirty-two children thrown into the ocean during one voyage.”

“The mercantile firms, as importers of (White) servants, were not too careful about their treatment, as the more important purpose of the transaction was to get ships over to South Carolina which could carry local produce back to Europe. Consequently the Irish–as well as others–suffered greatly…It was almost as if the British merchants had redirected their vessels from the African coast to the Irish coast, with the white servants coming over in much the same fashion as the African slaves.” (Warren B. Smith,White Servitude in Colonial South Carolina).

A study of the middle passage of White slaves was included in a Parliamentary Petition of 1659. It reported that White slaves were locked below deck for two weeks while the slaveship was still in port. Once under way, they were “all the way locked up under decks…amongst horses.” They were chained from their legs to their necks.

Those academics who insist that slavery is an exclusively Black racial condition forget or deliberately omit the fact that the word slave originally was a reference to Whites of East European origin – “Slavs.”

Moreover, in the 18th century in Britain and America, the Industrial Revolution spawned the factory system whose first laborers were miserably oppressed White children as young as six years of age. They were locked in the factories for sixteen hours a day and mangled by the primitive machinery. Hands and arms were regularly ripped to pieces. Little girls often had their hair caught in the machinery and were scalped from their foreheads to the back of their necks.

White Children wounded and crippled in the factories were turned out without compensation of any kind and left to die of their injuries. Children late to work or who fell asleep were beaten with iron bars. Lest we imagine these horrors were limited to only the early years of the Industrial Revolution, eight and ten year old White children throughout America were hard at work in miserable factories and mines as late as 1920.

Because of the rank prostitution, stupidity and cowardice of America’s teachers and educational system, White youth are taught that Black slaves, Mexican peons and Chinese coolies built this country while the vast majority of the Whites lorded it over them with a lash in one hand and a mint julep in the other.

The documentary record tells a very different story, however. When White Congressman David Wilmot authored the Wilmot Proviso to keep Black slaves out of the American West he did so, he said, to preserve that vast expanse of territory for “the sons of toil, my own race and color.”

This is precisely what most White people in America were, “sons of toil,” performing backbreaking labor such as few of us today can envision. They had no paternalistic welfare system; no Freedman’s Bureau to coo sweet platitudes to them; no army of bleeding hearts to worry over their hardships. These Whites were the expendable frontline soldiers in the expansion of the American frontier. They won the country, felled the trees, cleared and planted the land. The wealthy, educated White elite in America are the sick heirs of what Charles Dickens in Bleak Housetermed “telescopic philanthropy”–the concern for the condition of distant peoples while the plight of kindred in one’s own backyard are ignored.

Today much of what we see on “Turner Television” and Pat Robertson’s misnamed “Family Channel,” are TV films depicting Blacks in chains, Blacks being whipped, Blacks oppressed. Nowhere can we find a cinematic chronicle of the Whites who were beaten and killed in White slavery. Four-fifths of the White slaves sent to Britain’s sugar colonies in the West Indies did not survive their first year.

Soldiers in the American Revolution and sailors impressed into the American navy received upwards of two hundred whiplashes for minor infractions. But no TV show lifts the shirt of these White yeoman to reveal the scars on their backs.

The Establishment would rather weep over the poor persecuted Negroes, but leave the White working class “rednecks” and “crackers” (both of these terms of derision were first applied to White slaves), to live next door to the Blacks.

Little has changed since the early 1800s when the men of property and station of the English Parliament outlawed Black slavery throughout the Empire. While this Parliament was in session to enact this law, ragged five year old White orphan boys, beaten, starved and whipped, were being forced up the chimneys of the English parliament, to clean them. Sometimes the chimney masonry collapsed on these boys. Other times they suffocated to death inside their narrow smoke channels.

Long after Blacks were free throughout the British Empire, the British House of Lords refused to abolish chimney-sweeping by White children under the age of ten. The Lords contended that to do so would interfere with “property rights.” The lives of the White children were not worth a farthing and were considered no subject for humanitarian concern.

The chronicle of White slavery in America comprises the dustiest shelf in the darkest corner of suppressed American history. Should the truth about that epoch ever emerge into the public consciousness of Americans, the whole basis for the swindle of “Affirmative action,” “minority set-asides” and proposed “Reparations to African-Americans” will be swept away. The fact is, the White working people of this country owe no one. They are themselves the descendants, as Congressman Wilmot so aptly said, of “the sons of toil.”

There will only be racial peace when knowledge of radical historical truths are widespread and both sides negotiate from positions of strength and not from fantasies of White working class guilt and the uniqueness of Black suffering. Let it be said, in many cases Blacks in slavery had it better than poor Whites in the antebellum South. This is why there was such strong resistance to the Confederacy in the poverty-stricken areas of the mountain south, such as Winston County in Alabama and the Beech mountains of North Carolina. Those poor Whites could not imagine why any White laborer would want to die for the slave-owning plutocracy that more often than not, gave better care and attention to their Black servants than they did to the free white labor they scorned as “trash.” To this day, the White ruling class denigrates the White poor and patronizes Blacks.

If this seems admirable from the pathological viewpoint of Marxism or cosmopolitan liberalism, the Black and Third World “beneficiaries” of White ruling class “esteem” ought to consider what sort of “friends” they actually have.

The Bible declares that the man who does not take care of his own family is “worse than an infidel.” This also applies to one’s racial kindred. The man who neglects his own children to care for yours has true love for neither.

White, self-hating liberals and greed-head conservatives who claim to care for the “civil rights” of Black and Third World people, discard the working class of their own people on the garbage heap of history. When they are finished with their own they shall surely turn on others.

Those who care for their own kind first are not practicing “hate” but kindness, which is the very root of the word.

Historian Michael Hoffman is a former reporter for the New York Bureau of the Associated Press and the author of nine books of history and literature, three of which have been translated into French and Japanese. His published work includes Judaism Discovered, as well as Judaism’s Strange Gods; Usury in Christendom: The Mortal Sin that Was and Now is Not; The Great Holocaust Trial; Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare, and his latest, The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome. These volumes are available from https://revisionisthistorystore.blogspot.com/2010/03/michael-hoffmans-online-revisionist.html

Hoffman is the editor of Revisionist History® newsletter, published six times a year.

 
• Category: History • Tags: Political Correctness, Slavery, White Slavery 
Hide 137 CommentsLeave a Comment
Commenters to Ignore...to FollowEndorsed Only
Trim Comments?
    []
  1. I feel like I’m still slaving away.

    Federal Budget Contribution, 2014

    Whites: +$2,795 per capita surplus
    Hispanics: -$7,700 per capita deficit
    Blacks: -$10,016 per capita deficit

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/05/11/fiscal-impact-of-whites-blacks-and-hispanics/

    Read More
    • Replies: @Respect
    Indeed you are slaving . The same thing is going on in the UE .

    Welfare State utopia is the ruin of the productive white man .
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc.
    AgreeDisagreeLOLTroll
    These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Troll, or LOL with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used once per hour.
    Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
    More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  2. I urge the pros to find more CITATIONS to elaborate further. If these words be true, whites have justification to be angry out of being dispossessed of their suffering. But this does not mean glorying in victimization; but recognizing a common human history which means no one group is uniquely virtuous by way of historical bondage.

    Read More
    • Agree: Sarah Toga, ohmy
    • Replies: @Carlton Meyer
    While researching my family history, I discovered a direct Great x 6 Grandfather was brought to Maryland in chains to serve a seven year sentence as a laborer for a petty theft conviction as a 17 year old in England.

    http://www.g2mil.com/Pippin%20Family%20History.pdf
    , @Colin Wright
    '...but recognizing a common human history which means no one group is uniquely virtuous by way of historical bondage...'

    We're not members of some Borg Collective in the first place. Before I am white, male, let-handed, or anything else, I am me, and what is of critical importance is what has happened to ME, not to a 'fellow' left-hander on the other side of the world three centuries ago.

    So if we're to have a victimhood competition, tell me about what has happened to YOU, PERSONALLY, and then we'll compare it to what has happened to ME, PERSONALLY. What happened to a co-religionist of yours two hundred years ago versus what happened to a co-ethnic of mine last century takes a very, very distant second to that.

    You could be, say, of Irish extraction. Tomorrow, I might run into a car. Which is more important: whether it's a fellow Irishman's car, or your car?

    All this nonsense about collective responsibility or collective guilt is just that, nonsense. It's all about individuals. If we were going to settle up, Obama -- with his rather privileged, painless life -- owes me -- with my fairly checquered past -- a fat check.

    I don't want it -- but please; no nonsense about how I somehow owe you something because of something a left-handed fellow of mine did to a right-handed fellow of yours. That's the most atrocious bilge imaginable.

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  3. @Rick Johnson
    I urge the pros to find more CITATIONS to elaborate further. If these words be true, whites have justification to be angry out of being dispossessed of their suffering. But this does not mean glorying in victimization; but recognizing a common human history which means no one group is uniquely virtuous by way of historical bondage.

    While researching my family history, I discovered a direct Great x 6 Grandfather was brought to Maryland in chains to serve a seven year sentence as a laborer for a petty theft conviction as a 17 year old in England.

    http://www.g2mil.com/Pippin%20Family%20History.pdf

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  4. This topic deserves front and center. The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  5. PURE SOUTHERN/MIDDLE-AMERICAN NAIVETE

    All black slurs and prejudice towards whites are rooted in glaring white poverty that blacks held in contempt.

    “Guinea” was a black slur aimed at poor Italians because they looked dark enough to come from Africa and lived in squalor. Even in the 70′s and 80′s in the Daniel LaRusso KARATE KID era blacks held Italians in contempt as poorer and darker whites (Though as Cobra Kai series demonstrates, the poor East Coast Italian is a thing of the past).

    “White trash” was lobbed at Irish laborers in the South, though it refers to Appalachians and not Irish-Catholics today.

    “Honky” was aimed at Hungarians in Chicago though now it refers to all whites.

    Blacks have always been around poor whites and white poverty has never assuaged their tensions. It merely enables blacks to easily target white girls who’d be harder to get to in the suburbs.

    To Detroit working middle class white, most of you just incredibly naive. Incredibly.

    Read More
    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @HoodCanalGardner
    Re Detroit Eastside/Russel St 1930s-40s: Slavs (Bulgarians, Romanians, Serbs, Croats....not so much the Polish up in Hamtramck/Chene St) thought little being called/referenced as Hunkies
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  6. Calogero says:

    I’ve been studying this subject for years and I am indebted to Mr. Unz and Mr. Hoffman for publishing this article. From what I’ve studied this is all true and needs to be told far and wide. We need more books both non-fiction and novels covering this suppressed history. We need to make films, documentaries, anything that can get the knowledge to the people. Lastly, I say to everybody on this site, look into your own family’s genealogy, it is quite likely that your distant ancestors are among these white slaves, especially if you have colonial ancestry.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    "WHITE SLAVES"

    Few people in the Northern United States are descended from white slaves except in cities on the "Hillbilly Highway" like Chicago or erstwhile Detroit (I knew many Southerners when I was young).

    Generally, people in most of the Northern United States are the grandchildren or great-grandchildren of immigrants. Donald Trump, for example, is the son of a man CONCEIVED (Though not born) in Germany. His mother of course, was born in Great Britain.

    Old Colonial heritage is also not entirely white. I'd say a full 100% of white Southerners have Native American blood. The English sailors etc. all had their way with Cherokee squaws, while the post-1880 mass immigration to the Northern industrial base often attracted more women than men.
    , @jilles dykstra
    A great grandfather of me around 1880 in the Netherlands, illiterate peat worker, was not much more than a slave.
    He was illiterate because he had become an orphan at young age.
    The farm where he grew up, still exists, at the time there were no regulations, one must assume, that took care of orphans getting education.
    But he co organised strikes, and learned to read an write in jail, for poaching.
    In 1913 he had a farm built, in 1897 he became a member of the council of his municipality.
    Other Dutch at the time did not have much better lives, someone in a discussion about this wrote that his ancestors around 1870 were volders, do not know the english translation, what they had to do was trampling all day on linen in tubs, cold water, as far as I know.
    Then in the good old days there were those who gilded with gold dissolved in mercury, by heating making the mercury evaporate.
    As a specialist declared, at the end of their twenties they died.
    'Mad as a hatter', making hats from beaver skin, if I remember correctly, also using a terrible substance, that literally made them mad.
    Pierre Fritsch, 'Une Enfance Lorraine', 1966 1979 Poitiers
    descibes life in and around Lorraine iron and coal mines etc. at the end of the thirties of the 20th century.
    Workers knew quite well that work in a dusty environment was paid better because of health risks.
    , @Rogue
    Reminds me of a story about some Aussies going to England a few years ago, wanting to find out about their great, great, great, great grandfather, and why he'd been sent to the penal colony of Australia.

    Well aware that many people got done for minor crimes like stealing a loaf of bread, they assumed their ancestor to be in that category. So, filled with righteous zeal, they made their way to the records office in the UK to find out what non-crime he had committed.

    The record matter of factly stated: "this man is to be transported to the penal colony of Australia for engaging in an unnatural act with a farm animal."

    So as much as I endorse what you're suggesting, some people might find out a few things they'd rather not have known. Ha ha.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  7. Indeed, GB society in the 19th century was horrible.
    The first book is a novel, but describes quite well how GB treated the poor.
    But is was nothing new in GB, kidnapping crew for British warships when war was coming was legal.
    If they survived, they were liberated three or more years later, ‘press gangs’.
    Marcus Clarke, ‘For the Term of his Natural Life’, 1874, 1970, London
    Roy & Lesley Adkins, ‘Jack Tar, The extraordinary lives of ordinary seamen in Nelson’s navy’, 2009 London
    But in France it wass not much better, Harms in the introduction to his excellent book on slavery mentions that the French aristocracy did not treat the peasants much better than slaves were treated.
    Robert Harms, Das Sklavenschiff, Eine Reise in die Welt des Sklavenhandels’, München 2007 (The Diligent, New York, 2001)

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  8. @Rick Johnson
    I urge the pros to find more CITATIONS to elaborate further. If these words be true, whites have justification to be angry out of being dispossessed of their suffering. But this does not mean glorying in victimization; but recognizing a common human history which means no one group is uniquely virtuous by way of historical bondage.

    ‘…but recognizing a common human history which means no one group is uniquely virtuous by way of historical bondage…’

    We’re not members of some Borg Collective in the first place. Before I am white, male, let-handed, or anything else, I am me, and what is of critical importance is what has happened to ME, not to a ‘fellow’ left-hander on the other side of the world three centuries ago.

    So if we’re to have a victimhood competition, tell me about what has happened to YOU, PERSONALLY, and then we’ll compare it to what has happened to ME, PERSONALLY. What happened to a co-religionist of yours two hundred years ago versus what happened to a co-ethnic of mine last century takes a very, very distant second to that.

    You could be, say, of Irish extraction. Tomorrow, I might run into a car. Which is more important: whether it’s a fellow Irishman’s car, or your car?

    All this nonsense about collective responsibility or collective guilt is just that, nonsense. It’s all about individuals. If we were going to settle up, Obama — with his rather privileged, painless life — owes me — with my fairly checquered past — a fat check.

    I don’t want it — but please; no nonsense about how I somehow owe you something because of something a left-handed fellow of mine did to a right-handed fellow of yours. That’s the most atrocious bilge imaginable.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    It's bloody ridiculous. A white girl who has been raped in the park would be due a fat check from a black girl who hasn't. The collective history of whatever larger groups they belong to are completely secondary to their personal experience as individuals. Surely that's obvious.

    We're not insects; mindless components of some greater hive or colony. We're autonomous individuals. Any claim for grievance or sense of guilt clearly rests above all on our personal experiences and actions. What could be clearer?

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  9. @Colin Wright
    '...but recognizing a common human history which means no one group is uniquely virtuous by way of historical bondage...'

    We're not members of some Borg Collective in the first place. Before I am white, male, let-handed, or anything else, I am me, and what is of critical importance is what has happened to ME, not to a 'fellow' left-hander on the other side of the world three centuries ago.

    So if we're to have a victimhood competition, tell me about what has happened to YOU, PERSONALLY, and then we'll compare it to what has happened to ME, PERSONALLY. What happened to a co-religionist of yours two hundred years ago versus what happened to a co-ethnic of mine last century takes a very, very distant second to that.

    You could be, say, of Irish extraction. Tomorrow, I might run into a car. Which is more important: whether it's a fellow Irishman's car, or your car?

    All this nonsense about collective responsibility or collective guilt is just that, nonsense. It's all about individuals. If we were going to settle up, Obama -- with his rather privileged, painless life -- owes me -- with my fairly checquered past -- a fat check.

    I don't want it -- but please; no nonsense about how I somehow owe you something because of something a left-handed fellow of mine did to a right-handed fellow of yours. That's the most atrocious bilge imaginable.

    It’s bloody ridiculous. A white girl who has been raped in the park would be due a fat check from a black girl who hasn’t. The collective history of whatever larger groups they belong to are completely secondary to their personal experience as individuals. Surely that’s obvious.

    We’re not insects; mindless components of some greater hive or colony. We’re autonomous individuals. Any claim for grievance or sense of guilt clearly rests above all on our personal experiences and actions. What could be clearer?

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The book isn’t grievance mongering It’s history. And it’s well known to many historians.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  10. It is known stuff:

    Read More
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'It is known stuff.'

    Sometimes it's nice to know you needn't watch the video. HMS Victory is identified as a product of Victorian Britain. That takes care of that.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  11. “There will only be racial peace when knowledge of radical historical truths are widespread ….”

    Which is why this history will be brutally repressed and discredited at every point in surfaces in popular discourse.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  12. @Calogero
    I've been studying this subject for years and I am indebted to Mr. Unz and Mr. Hoffman for publishing this article. From what I've studied this is all true and needs to be told far and wide. We need more books both non-fiction and novels covering this suppressed history. We need to make films, documentaries, anything that can get the knowledge to the people. Lastly, I say to everybody on this site, look into your own family's genealogy, it is quite likely that your distant ancestors are among these white slaves, especially if you have colonial ancestry.

    “WHITE SLAVES”

    Few people in the Northern United States are descended from white slaves except in cities on the “Hillbilly Highway” like Chicago or erstwhile Detroit (I knew many Southerners when I was young).

    Generally, people in most of the Northern United States are the grandchildren or great-grandchildren of immigrants. Donald Trump, for example, is the son of a man CONCEIVED (Though not born) in Germany. His mother of course, was born in Great Britain.

    Old Colonial heritage is also not entirely white. I’d say a full 100% of white Southerners have Native American blood. The English sailors etc. all had their way with Cherokee squaws, while the post-1880 mass immigration to the Northern industrial base often attracted more women than men.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Angry WASP
    I'm from the Northeast, and my maternal grandmother was of American colonial stock. Her earliest patrilineal ancestor to arrive in America (Dorchester, Mass. in 1635) was an indentured servant, and another of her ancestors was a Scottish prisoner-of-war exported to New England as slave labor in the 1650's - and that's only the ones I know about. I am certain there were many, many others. As for my paternal grandparents, they were from Donegal, Ireland. My paternal grandfather's people were tenant farmers until well into the 19th century, and I have collateral ancestors with my surname who died - as children - during the Famine of 1847. My maternal grandfather's family were English working class from the East End of London. Their ancestors were framework knitters from Leicestershire who labored in urban poverty for generations during the Industrial Revolution, the exact kind of people who became Luddites 200 years ago to protest unfair competition from machine looms. When my great-grandfather was driven out of business by American competition in the 1890's, he emigrated with his whole family to Lynn, Massachusetts, where every man, woman and child in the household labored in shoe factories from six in the morning to six at night. When the Social Justice Warriors and the Ivy League Jews prattle about how easy the WASPs have it, their words are as turds dropping from their flabby asses.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  13. @Calogero
    I've been studying this subject for years and I am indebted to Mr. Unz and Mr. Hoffman for publishing this article. From what I've studied this is all true and needs to be told far and wide. We need more books both non-fiction and novels covering this suppressed history. We need to make films, documentaries, anything that can get the knowledge to the people. Lastly, I say to everybody on this site, look into your own family's genealogy, it is quite likely that your distant ancestors are among these white slaves, especially if you have colonial ancestry.

    A great grandfather of me around 1880 in the Netherlands, illiterate peat worker, was not much more than a slave.
    He was illiterate because he had become an orphan at young age.
    The farm where he grew up, still exists, at the time there were no regulations, one must assume, that took care of orphans getting education.
    But he co organised strikes, and learned to read an write in jail, for poaching.
    In 1913 he had a farm built, in 1897 he became a member of the council of his municipality.
    Other Dutch at the time did not have much better lives, someone in a discussion about this wrote that his ancestors around 1870 were volders, do not know the english translation, what they had to do was trampling all day on linen in tubs, cold water, as far as I know.
    Then in the good old days there were those who gilded with gold dissolved in mercury, by heating making the mercury evaporate.
    As a specialist declared, at the end of their twenties they died.
    ‘Mad as a hatter’, making hats from beaver skin, if I remember correctly, also using a terrible substance, that literally made them mad.
    Pierre Fritsch, ‘Une Enfance Lorraine’, 1966 1979 Poitiers
    descibes life in and around Lorraine iron and coal mines etc. at the end of the thirties of the 20th century.
    Workers knew quite well that work in a dusty environment was paid better because of health risks.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Poco
    The english translation is Walker or Fuller. That is where those surnames come from.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  14. utu says:

    THEY WERE WHITE AND THEY WERE SLAVES
    Michael A. Hoffman II

    http://solargeneral.org/wp-content/uploads/library/they-were-white-and-they-were-slaves-michael-a-hoffman-ii.pdf

    https://www.amazon.com/They-Were-White-Slaves-Enslavement/dp/0929903056

    Jensen said “Hoffman’s analysis is seriously flawed” but that “his scholarship is impressive, and the story he tells is both interesting and horrifying”. (Wiki)

    Read More
    • Replies: @Michael Hoffman
    Are you aware that you have posted a link to an illegal, pirated download of my book which violates my copyright and which deprives this writer of just compensation for having written it?

    Licensed digital copies of "They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America" is available for download from Amazon.com for a modest fee: http://a.co/1a0KpJs

    Copyright piracy discourages authorship and innovation. Solargeneral is a notorious off-shore pirate site which can’t be sued in civil court or prosecuted in Federal court in the U.S.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  15. I would contend that white slavery still exists. In the US, where actual unemployment still hovers around 21.5%, you can go to any warehouse in the northeast (invariably owned by one of those “Fortune 500 Best Companies In America To Work For”) at three o’clock in the morning and find nothing but white college educated professionals unloading 20-ton tractor trailers for an after-tax take home pay of $6 an hour. You won’t see one of those mythical Mexicans “doing the jobs Americans don’t want to do”, but you will find lots of certified teachers, a professional scientist or two, an architect, an historian, etc.

    At the local Amazon sweatshop you will find 80-year-old whites walking ten miles a day on cement floors in sweltering heat or freezing winters, with half of their $6 take home being subsidized by the other tax payers as a bonus to Amazon for hiring the elderly.

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  16. @utu

    THEY WERE WHITE AND THEY WERE SLAVES
    Michael A. Hoffman II
    http://solargeneral.org/wp-content/uploads/library/they-were-white-and-they-were-slaves-michael-a-hoffman-ii.pdf

    https://www.amazon.com/They-Were-White-Slaves-Enslavement/dp/0929903056
     
    Jensen said "Hoffman's analysis is seriously flawed" but that "his scholarship is impressive, and the story he tells is both interesting and horrifying". (Wiki)

    Are you aware that you have posted a link to an illegal, pirated download of my book which violates my copyright and which deprives this writer of just compensation for having written it?

    Licensed digital copies of “They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America” is available for download from Amazon.com for a modest fee: http://a.co/1a0KpJs

    Copyright piracy discourages authorship and innovation. Solargeneral is a notorious off-shore pirate site which can’t be sued in civil court or prosecuted in Federal court in the U.S.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jake
    Perhaps that is the reason utu posted the link.
    , @utu
    Sorry. Haven't thought of it. I use pirated copies all the time.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  17. Yee says:

    Very rarely you’ll read about the horror of capitalism… Of course, that’s not what the author wants to say.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Precious
    Very rarely you’ll read about the horror of capitalism… Of course, that’s not what the author wants to say.

    And yet those horrors are a breeze in the park compared to the horrors of socialism and communism. Of course, that's not what Yee wanted to hear.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  18. Rogue says:
    @Calogero
    I've been studying this subject for years and I am indebted to Mr. Unz and Mr. Hoffman for publishing this article. From what I've studied this is all true and needs to be told far and wide. We need more books both non-fiction and novels covering this suppressed history. We need to make films, documentaries, anything that can get the knowledge to the people. Lastly, I say to everybody on this site, look into your own family's genealogy, it is quite likely that your distant ancestors are among these white slaves, especially if you have colonial ancestry.

    Reminds me of a story about some Aussies going to England a few years ago, wanting to find out about their great, great, great, great grandfather, and why he’d been sent to the penal colony of Australia.

    Well aware that many people got done for minor crimes like stealing a loaf of bread, they assumed their ancestor to be in that category. So, filled with righteous zeal, they made their way to the records office in the UK to find out what non-crime he had committed.

    The record matter of factly stated: “this man is to be transported to the penal colony of Australia for engaging in an unnatural act with a farm animal.”

    So as much as I endorse what you’re suggesting, some people might find out a few things they’d rather not have known. Ha ha.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Them Guys
    At least Grandpa wasn't a mud sharking Coal Burner though eh.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  19. Poco says:
    @jilles dykstra
    A great grandfather of me around 1880 in the Netherlands, illiterate peat worker, was not much more than a slave.
    He was illiterate because he had become an orphan at young age.
    The farm where he grew up, still exists, at the time there were no regulations, one must assume, that took care of orphans getting education.
    But he co organised strikes, and learned to read an write in jail, for poaching.
    In 1913 he had a farm built, in 1897 he became a member of the council of his municipality.
    Other Dutch at the time did not have much better lives, someone in a discussion about this wrote that his ancestors around 1870 were volders, do not know the english translation, what they had to do was trampling all day on linen in tubs, cold water, as far as I know.
    Then in the good old days there were those who gilded with gold dissolved in mercury, by heating making the mercury evaporate.
    As a specialist declared, at the end of their twenties they died.
    'Mad as a hatter', making hats from beaver skin, if I remember correctly, also using a terrible substance, that literally made them mad.
    Pierre Fritsch, 'Une Enfance Lorraine', 1966 1979 Poitiers
    descibes life in and around Lorraine iron and coal mines etc. at the end of the thirties of the 20th century.
    Workers knew quite well that work in a dusty environment was paid better because of health risks.

    The english translation is Walker or Fuller. That is where those surnames come from.

    Read More
    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    Fuller I recognise, that Walker means the same I did not know.
    I had a Dutch colleague named Walker, in the USA I passed a very small village named Walker, some ten inhabitants.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  20. Respect says:
    @Echoes of History
    I feel like I'm still slaving away.

    Federal Budget Contribution, 2014

    Whites: +$2,795 per capita surplus
    Hispanics: -$7,700 per capita deficit
    Blacks: -$10,016 per capita deficit

    http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/05/11/fiscal-impact-of-whites-blacks-and-hispanics/
     

    Indeed you are slaving . The same thing is going on in the UE .

    Welfare State utopia is the ruin of the productive white man .

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  21. @Jeff Stryker
    "WHITE SLAVES"

    Few people in the Northern United States are descended from white slaves except in cities on the "Hillbilly Highway" like Chicago or erstwhile Detroit (I knew many Southerners when I was young).

    Generally, people in most of the Northern United States are the grandchildren or great-grandchildren of immigrants. Donald Trump, for example, is the son of a man CONCEIVED (Though not born) in Germany. His mother of course, was born in Great Britain.

    Old Colonial heritage is also not entirely white. I'd say a full 100% of white Southerners have Native American blood. The English sailors etc. all had their way with Cherokee squaws, while the post-1880 mass immigration to the Northern industrial base often attracted more women than men.

    I’m from the Northeast, and my maternal grandmother was of American colonial stock. Her earliest patrilineal ancestor to arrive in America (Dorchester, Mass. in 1635) was an indentured servant, and another of her ancestors was a Scottish prisoner-of-war exported to New England as slave labor in the 1650′s – and that’s only the ones I know about. I am certain there were many, many others. As for my paternal grandparents, they were from Donegal, Ireland. My paternal grandfather’s people were tenant farmers until well into the 19th century, and I have collateral ancestors with my surname who died – as children – during the Famine of 1847. My maternal grandfather’s family were English working class from the East End of London. Their ancestors were framework knitters from Leicestershire who labored in urban poverty for generations during the Industrial Revolution, the exact kind of people who became Luddites 200 years ago to protest unfair competition from machine looms. When my great-grandfather was driven out of business by American competition in the 1890′s, he emigrated with his whole family to Lynn, Massachusetts, where every man, woman and child in the household labored in shoe factories from six in the morning to six at night. When the Social Justice Warriors and the Ivy League Jews prattle about how easy the WASPs have it, their words are as turds dropping from their flabby asses.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  22. @Jeff Stryker
    PURE SOUTHERN/MIDDLE-AMERICAN NAIVETE

    All black slurs and prejudice towards whites are rooted in glaring white poverty that blacks held in contempt.

    "Guinea" was a black slur aimed at poor Italians because they looked dark enough to come from Africa and lived in squalor. Even in the 70's and 80's in the Daniel LaRusso KARATE KID era blacks held Italians in contempt as poorer and darker whites (Though as Cobra Kai series demonstrates, the poor East Coast Italian is a thing of the past).

    "White trash" was lobbed at Irish laborers in the South, though it refers to Appalachians and not Irish-Catholics today.

    "Honky" was aimed at Hungarians in Chicago though now it refers to all whites.

    Blacks have always been around poor whites and white poverty has never assuaged their tensions. It merely enables blacks to easily target white girls who'd be harder to get to in the suburbs.

    To Detroit working middle class white, most of you just incredibly naive. Incredibly.

    Re Detroit Eastside/Russel St 1930s-40s: Slavs (Bulgarians, Romanians, Serbs, Croats….not so much the Polish up in Hamtramck/Chene St) thought little being called/referenced as Hunkies

    Read More
    • Replies: @anarchyst
    I grew up in Detroit, (Chene Street) and personally witnessed the destruction of a once-great city. There are a number of reasons for Detroit's decline that have never been explored or discussed.
    1. "Blockbusting" by greedy real estate agents. Real estate agents would send out postcards with the following: "A new family is moving into your neighborhood. If you want to sell your house, please call me at xxx-xxxx". A "new family" was a euphemism for black families, and was used to "encourage" whites to sell their homes.
    2. HUD (Housing and Urban Development) speculators and real estate hustlers conspired to "buy up" and raze the best houses on every block, in certain sections of the city. Quite often, "shacks" were left standing while decent housing was purchased by HUD and razed. This was done purposely to depress property values, to make it easier for speculators to purchase properties at "bargain basement" prices.
    I realize that items 1 and 2 counteract each other and are at cross purposes, but they were a reality in 1960s Detroit.
    3. The 1967 riots did much to push whites out of Detroit. A little-known aspect of the Detroit riots was the application of spray-painted words on the exteriors of black-owned businesses. The words "soul brother" was spray-painted on businesses owned by blacks so that the "angels of death" (actually rioters) would spare them from destruction. Whole business districts around the city were destroyed, never to regain their former selves.
    4. The election of Coleman Alexander Young, Detroit's first black mayor, who was overtly racist to Detroit's white citizens while "getting along just fine" with the "movers and shakers" (big business people) of the day (as long as the campaign donations kept coming in)....
    5. The abolition of the STRESS (Stop The Robberies, Enjoy Safe Streets) program. This anti-criminal program was put in by mayor Young's predecessor and was quite successful in "cleaning up the streets" of criminals. In this program, police officers would disguise themselves as vulnerable old people and walk through neighborhoods as "decoys". Predatory criminals would attempt to rob these elderly citizens and quite often, were dispatched to "the great hereafter". One of Young's campaign promises was the abolition of the STRESS program as too many of "his people" were being eliminated. Upon the election of Young, the program was disbanded.
    These are 5 reasons for this once-great city's demise.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  23. WHAT says:

    It’s all fine and dandy until I come to the pol-tier idiotic passage about slavs. No, roman word sclavus does not mean slav, who only came into the region long time after anyway.
    Slav comes from slovo, meaning word, as to denote people who have languages close to your own. How could anybody but the most pathetic bugman reasonably expect free people to call themselves slaves?

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    This is the first time I've ever run across this Hoffman fellow, so I don't really have a dog in this race. You speak strongly on this slav etymology, so let's just say that you are correct and let Hoffman respond as he sees fit. So, if this is your only objection thus far to the entirety of this piece, do you think his entire piece needs to summarily discredited as some sort of revisionist history fairy tale?
    , @Michael Hoffman
    The English word slave is indeed derived from an early medieval word — the 9th century ecclesiastical Latin term “Sclavus," identical with the racial name for Slav; the Slavic population of central Europe having been reduced episodically to enslavement by kidnapping and or conquest in that era.

    — “Slave,” The Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd ed. (1989).
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  24. Jake says:

    “The arrogant disregard for the holocaust visited upon the poor and working class Whites of Britain by the aristocracy continues in our time because the history of that epoch has been almost completely extirpated from our collective memory.”

    That erasure of brutal history is necessary for non-Elite whites not merely to see themselves as WASPs and WASP culture as a really good thing, but to see WASP culture as perhaps the one thing they might fight to protect.

    Some of them know parts of the horror, but are fine with it, because they see it as happening only to Irish or Highland Catholics, who deserved it for not being English and not being Protestant.

    From its inception, WASP culture – the child of the Judaizing heresy Anglo-Saxon Puritanism – has featured war of extermination against all non-WASP cultures native to the British Isles. That for more than a couple centuries featured making slaves of many of the whites who failed to toe the line quickly enough.

    Read More
    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    “The arrogant disregard for the holocaust visited upon the poor and working class Whites of Britain by the aristocracy continues in our time because the history of that epoch has been almost completely extirpated from our collective memory.”
     
    I like your comment regarding that quote and would like to add that it continues to this time merely because that's what"elites" do. If they didn't manage somehow to grab what others have, they wouldn't be "elite."
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  25. Jake says:
    @Michael Hoffman
    Are you aware that you have posted a link to an illegal, pirated download of my book which violates my copyright and which deprives this writer of just compensation for having written it?

    Licensed digital copies of "They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America" is available for download from Amazon.com for a modest fee: http://a.co/1a0KpJs

    Copyright piracy discourages authorship and innovation. Solargeneral is a notorious off-shore pirate site which can’t be sued in civil court or prosecuted in Federal court in the U.S.

    Perhaps that is the reason utu posted the link.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  26. Them Guys says:
    @Rogue
    Reminds me of a story about some Aussies going to England a few years ago, wanting to find out about their great, great, great, great grandfather, and why he'd been sent to the penal colony of Australia.

    Well aware that many people got done for minor crimes like stealing a loaf of bread, they assumed their ancestor to be in that category. So, filled with righteous zeal, they made their way to the records office in the UK to find out what non-crime he had committed.

    The record matter of factly stated: "this man is to be transported to the penal colony of Australia for engaging in an unnatural act with a farm animal."

    So as much as I endorse what you're suggesting, some people might find out a few things they'd rather not have known. Ha ha.

    At least Grandpa wasn’t a mud sharking Coal Burner though eh.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  27. utu says:
    @Michael Hoffman
    Are you aware that you have posted a link to an illegal, pirated download of my book which violates my copyright and which deprives this writer of just compensation for having written it?

    Licensed digital copies of "They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America" is available for download from Amazon.com for a modest fee: http://a.co/1a0KpJs

    Copyright piracy discourages authorship and innovation. Solargeneral is a notorious off-shore pirate site which can’t be sued in civil court or prosecuted in Federal court in the U.S.

    Sorry. Haven’t thought of it. I use pirated copies all the time.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  28. @Poco
    The english translation is Walker or Fuller. That is where those surnames come from.

    Fuller I recognise, that Walker means the same I did not know.
    I had a Dutch colleague named Walker, in the USA I passed a very small village named Walker, some ten inhabitants.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    When the process became at least semi-industrialized, the legacy was a fair number of "Waulk-Mill" placenames throughout Britain.
    http://www.creetown-walks.co.uk/history-waulk-mill.asp
    https://www.urbansplash.co.uk/regeneration/projects/waulk-mill
    Usually spelled with a "u".
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  29. nickels says:

    A good place to start is to stop using the word ‘white’.

    I, personally, am German/Norwegian, with a smattering of Irish.

    I have no guilt for the Anglo Brit satanic empire’s evils.
    My only regret is that the braindead German pietists cooperated to help the evil Quakers from time to time.

    Anglo-Zionists make a pretty accurate and convenient generalized scapegoat for the worlds evils, and have the added plus that they are still up to the same tricks.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  30. Them Guys says:

    Being summer vacation from schools time, a good thing parents could do is to encourage their White Kids, ages 12 to 25+ to cheaply print a huge stack of flyers that show Mr. Hoffman’s Book with enough detail to read it as in the photo within article. Then get some sunshine and exercise by going to Mall’s and various strip mall parking lot’s, and also every Telephone/electric Pole they pass by, and quickly attach a flyer to it. And also place a flyer under windshield wiper blades on vehicles in store lot’s.

    Just like many folks do to advertise their garage sale’s.

    This will accomplish two good things. #1. Bring fast awareness about the main issue of whitey slavery, and #2 Potentially cause many book sales which is good for Mr. Hoffman. I’d think that regardless how swell guys like him write, and no matter how low cost their books can be priced. These type writer’s never get proper advertising nor proper well earned recognition due them, simply due to the fact that, as most folks here know everything related to books, publishers, advertising of books, etc. Is all under critical control of anti-white-anti-America-anti-Christian, jewry and it’s fellow traveler shabboz Goy’s. That all have a deep vested interest in totally ignoring such written material’s, or if they do make mention of such book’s and writer’s it is always done only to bash the book & writer as a evil Nazi and anti-Semitic jew hater, and/or also a vile racist whitey.

    If a large number of summer vacationing kids did this, within mere days or one weekend’s time frame, so many flyers would be in so many locations, it would get the message out big time eh.

    Plus even though many areas may have various civil infraction laws that ban such activity, so what. Such activity is seen every where with summer garage sale ads done this way, and it is such a fast job to simply place each flyer and walk away I doubt anyone would get a ticket or suffer any real problems if done correctly.

    Once that was a done deal, next is word of mouth advertising by many astonished folks who see the ad, or better yet buy and read the book and cannot wait to tell or gossip to others about this new discovery. And yes a new discovery is exactly how many whites, even some blacks too, would perceive the issue of Whites Enslaved Before blacks were in America, and often times how it was a worse ordeal for white slaves, than it was for black slaves.

    I can think of No other method or issue or thing which could so put the Brakes on current madness and pc crap daily spewed about Poor Poor blacks and slavery in past American history, and all the included Baggage’s added to the tear jerker stories to create yet more whitey guilt among already guilted badly, white folk. Enough awareness done fast to awaken white masses and this issue of always hammering whitey guilt 24/7 would screech to a halt quickly. And Never again be able nor allowed to resurface to hold whites in a whitey Guilt Limbo their entire lives.

    I for one never ever fell for pc correctness, nor white guilt be it about negros, slaves, jews, or their constant holyhoax agendas. But if a good proper done poll survey was ever done, I’d bet those white folk who can honestly say, Like me, they also never fell for pc nor whitey guilt for these issues, would likely number in very Low single digit’s percentage wise in such a survey poll. Maybe even as Low as 2-3% never fell for it. About the Only people I ever knew of that qualify as never fell for it are Harley Biker guys and their women and kids too. Most all others I ever knew even own family, are so filled with pc and white guilt over these issues it is literally sickening to me.

    Even better would be if such an agenda with flyer ad’s, really took off big, and caused a huge mass of protests similar to that couple of months ago, antigun and anti 2nd amendt. nationwide protest agenda done by Student’s across America thanks to Parkland Fla. high school shootings, and within weeks all we saw on every tv news cycle was constant barrage of bashing right to own guns in America. MSM would have difficult time bashing large numbers of white student’s doing mass protests to bring issues of prior white slaves in America to the forefront on every tv set. Many fellow black student’s would join white kids too, due to their lifelong trainings to Be One with the Crowd policies. Call it making Marxist training reversed to benefit the Right and White side for change eh! Affirm This… you MFR’s.

    The more tv news bashed white student’s for that, the worse msm news would appear and more sympathy to protester kids would happen nationwide. Plus a nationwide Total Awareness of main issue at hand. A Win Win situation eh.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  31. nickels says:

    As far as reparations, forget it. No one today was a slave, so it doesn’t really matter, they deserve nothing.
    99% of the populace die broke, so that is the amount we should consider to be passed on, i.e. nothing.

    Generational guilt is not a thing, other than the idea that one might make historical arguments that point out the moral bankruptcy of certain regimes in history, all with the benefit of hindsight, of course. It is not unreasonable to facepalm regarding one’s ancestors, but, then, one should always realize the impossibility of standing in their shoes and facing the world, without that hindsight.
    But to convert this moral bankruptcy to cash? That implies morality can be bought.

    What a sad, braindead, Anglo-Zionist thing to think.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  32. @WHAT
    It's all fine and dandy until I come to the pol-tier idiotic passage about slavs. No, roman word sclavus does not mean slav, who only came into the region long time after anyway.
    Slav comes from slovo, meaning word, as to denote people who have languages close to your own. How could anybody but the most pathetic bugman reasonably expect free people to call themselves slaves?

    This is the first time I’ve ever run across this Hoffman fellow, so I don’t really have a dog in this race. You speak strongly on this slav etymology, so let’s just say that you are correct and let Hoffman respond as he sees fit. So, if this is your only objection thus far to the entirety of this piece, do you think his entire piece needs to summarily discredited as some sort of revisionist history fairy tale?

    Read More
    • Replies: @nickels
    WHAT is missing the point.
    Yes, Slav comes from Слова.
    But the English word slave comes from sclava, which means Slavic captive.

    -- confer
    Σκλάβος (Sklábos), probably from the Greek verb σκυλάω (skuláō), a variant of σκυλεύω (skuleúō, “to get the spoils of war”).[1]

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sclavus#Latin

    Or, possibly:
    Σλαβῆνοι (Slabênoi), from Proto-Slavic *slověne (plural; the singular form Proto-Slavic *slověninъ is derived from it)

    Well. This actually makes the whole thing ambigous. Who knows.

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  33. nickels says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter
    This is the first time I've ever run across this Hoffman fellow, so I don't really have a dog in this race. You speak strongly on this slav etymology, so let's just say that you are correct and let Hoffman respond as he sees fit. So, if this is your only objection thus far to the entirety of this piece, do you think his entire piece needs to summarily discredited as some sort of revisionist history fairy tale?

    WHAT is missing the point.
    Yes, Slav comes from Слова.
    But the English word slave comes from sclava, which means Slavic captive.

    – confer
    Σκλάβος (Sklábos), probably from the Greek verb σκυλάω (skuláō), a variant of σκυλεύω (skuleúō, “to get the spoils of war”).[1]

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sclavus#Latin

    Or, possibly:
    Σλαβῆνοι (Slabênoi), from Proto-Slavic *slověne (plural; the singular form Proto-Slavic *slověninъ is derived from it)

    Well. This actually makes the whole thing ambigous. Who knows.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Regardless of the etymology ambiguity, I still want to hear from WHAT. Is he nit picking or has he found some other material flaws in Mr. Hoffman's piece? I kind of sensed some animosity with his post.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  34. Interesting etymologies; I wonder how they relate the modern Greek term for dog, “σκύλος” transliterated as “skylos.” The accents are in different places and that can make a big difference in meaning, but still…

    Anyway, someone commented that he still feels like a slave and that’s exactly what we are, even in the laughably labelled “land of de fwee.” Wage, tax and debt slaves to name a few of the more obvious manifestations of it.

    I think Leo was onto something here:

    “But in reality the abolition of serfdom and of slavery was only the abolition of an obsolete form of slavery that had become unnecessary, and the substitution for it of a firmer form of slavery and one that holds a greater number of people in bondage.”

    - Leo Tolstoy

    A few typos, but otherwise a fine summary: Tolstoy, Slavery of Our Times, Chap 8, 11 July, 1900 http://ebooks.gutenberg.us/WorldeBookLibrary.com/slaverytol.htm#1_0_7

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  35. I remember reading something about the history of coastal North Carolina, where it was claimed that in the early colonial days, there was a surprisingly high number of marriages between indentured whites and black slaves in the southern colonies. And more often than not, it was black males paired with white females. As white indentured servitude was phased out and black slavery took its place, these kinds of pairings had all but vanished by the time of the revolution (and had in fact probably been outlawed in many places). But this definitely seems to contradict the narrative that all white ancestry present among blacks today comes from white slavemasters doing a lot of raping.

    Read More
    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    But this definitely seems to contradict the narrative that all white ancestry present among blacks today comes from white slavemasters doing a lot of raping.
     
    I've never heard of that, but I would guess that White women who were slaves, indentures, or tenants were at the greatest risk of being victims of rape, sexual assault and coercion. Nobody seems to have looked into that, but it seems that they would be the favored targets of sexual predators preying on the vulnerable, especially if you look at current rape stats. The funny thing is that most White feminists would call anyone looking into the matter a racist.
    , @Truth
    Oh yes, not that is true, but it lacks a very important piece of information.

    You see, the laws stated at that time that any offspring of a black male slave was a slave, owned by the owner of the father. Now, since most of the slaves imported were male, to do heavy labor that left a severe paucity of offspring. Additionally, most of the Irish imported were female to do domestic chores.

    Now your forefathers were willing to do anything for free labor and saleable assets so, yes they strongly encouraged the marriage of their black males slaves with their white Irish domestics.

    Now you know...

    The rest of the story.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  36. Logan says:

    I am intrigued by the author’s discussion of early lifetime and hereditary white slavery in America. But he has for some reason not included any links to, you know, evidence that his claims are accurate.

    If he wants us to believe what he says, he should link to the actual documents.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Bobzilla

    If he wants us to believe what he says, he should link to the actual documents.
     
    A lot of these documents are probably not online. I do believe his books have ample references and citations.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  37. @Hapalong Cassidy
    I remember reading something about the history of coastal North Carolina, where it was claimed that in the early colonial days, there was a surprisingly high number of marriages between indentured whites and black slaves in the southern colonies. And more often than not, it was black males paired with white females. As white indentured servitude was phased out and black slavery took its place, these kinds of pairings had all but vanished by the time of the revolution (and had in fact probably been outlawed in many places). But this definitely seems to contradict the narrative that all white ancestry present among blacks today comes from white slavemasters doing a lot of raping.

    But this definitely seems to contradict the narrative that all white ancestry present among blacks today comes from white slavemasters doing a lot of raping.

    I’ve never heard of that, but I would guess that White women who were slaves, indentures, or tenants were at the greatest risk of being victims of rape, sexual assault and coercion. Nobody seems to have looked into that, but it seems that they would be the favored targets of sexual predators preying on the vulnerable, especially if you look at current rape stats. The funny thing is that most White feminists would call anyone looking into the matter a racist.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    Prior to the steam engine very few single women immigrated to the United States; no British woman said "Dad, I'll be sailing to North Carolina to be raped by Negros now". The English planters and Scots who moved to West Virginia came mostly as young couples.

    Old Colonial US stock as a result tends to have a considerable amount of Cherokee female. Many Englishman married Cherokees women-the tribe was more amenable than Apache.

    English planters who owned the plantations did not order white women dragged into slave quarters and raped. There were not white women to spare in Colonial days, most were sent to the colonies for arranged marriages.

    Settling new countries is a male endeavor and puts female sex partners at a premium. There are none to spare for Negro gang rapes.

    The huge female migration to the United States really occurred in the 1880's when Irish and Italian women-many of them career prostitutes-saw an opportunity to make money in the Industrial North. This is the reason that most whites in NYC won't have Cherokee blood in them and most white Southerners have Cherokee blood in their maternal DNA here and there.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  38. Precious says:
    @Yee
    Very rarely you'll read about the horror of capitalism... Of course, that's not what the author wants to say.

    Very rarely you’ll read about the horror of capitalism… Of course, that’s not what the author wants to say.

    And yet those horrors are a breeze in the park compared to the horrors of socialism and communism. Of course, that’s not what Yee wanted to hear.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Wally
    AFAIK, generally alleged leftist "horrors of capitalism" are not examples of capitalism that I know of.

    Do tell.
    , @jacques sheete

    And yet those horrors are a breeze in the park compared to the horrors of socialism and communism.
     
    Nah. Don't believe it. They're all methods that can, and have been, be used to exploit people other than the ruling classes. The "capitalist" US supported the "Commie," Stalin, to the hilt, and the Commie movement was funded largely by Red millionaires.

    Orwell made a valid point in Animal Farm, claiming that the main difference in the various systems is in the names.

    “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

    ― George Orwell, Animal Farm
     
    I would also like to remind folks that the Brit impressment (kidnapping) of US sailors to man their naval vessels was an important cause of the War of 1812. I think the world would be a lot more civilized if the stinking Brit Empire, for one, never existed.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  39. Franz says:

    Big issue, context can be summarized thus:

    In 1619, with the introduction of West African fieldworkers, the Elite of that era and all time to come drove a wedge into whomever does productive work in the New World — forever.

    White slaves will be forgotten because elite whites are totally incapable of feeling any kinship with their declass ethnic folk. This allows minority grievances to swamp any discussion of the issue of how most whites were treated, most of the time.

    From history’s perspective the Irish really did bore the brunt of it. After Anthony Wayne’s conquest of the “old Northwest”, the Great Lakes region went on a binge of canal building almost all the way through the 1840s. The canals in the region were called “Irish graves” due to the high mortality of these workers, from overwork, bad food, malaria. Few histories even mention it. Not to put a fine point on it, black slavery’s shadow has occluded a great deal of white misery.

    There’s no way a sense of racial brotherhood is going to descend on Europeans in this century, but this issue can surface if a sense of worker solidarity comes by again as it did in the 1920s-40s in Europe.

    If whites can’t love each other much, maybe they can at least start focusing on their more obvious enemies.

    Read More
    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    From history’s perspective the Irish really did bore the brunt of it. After Anthony Wayne’s conquest of the “old Northwest”, the Great Lakes region went on a binge of canal building almost all the way through the 1840s. The canals in the region were called “Irish graves” due to the high mortality of these workers, from overwork, bad food, malaria. Few histories even mention it. Not to put a fine point on it, black slavery’s shadow has occluded a great deal of white misery.
     
    The same is true in the South. The canals dug through the malarial swamps were not dug by valuable slaves, they were dug by native whites and imported Irish. Of course, many died. And when they weren't doing the work that nobody wanted their slaves to do, they were competing against large-scale slave labor. I guess that's what we call White Privilege!
    , @Michael Hoffman
    I wouldn’t say that the Irish bore the brunt of the white enslavement in early British America. There was comparatively little immigration from Ireland to the colonies in the 17th century, with the exception of the political prisoners and battle captives enslaved in the West Indies during the Puritan interregnum. The abuse of the Irish began in earnest in 18th century America and was punctuated in the 19th by Frederick Law Olmsted’s witness, in antebellum Alabama, to the fact that they were valued lower than Black slaves.

    The Protestant white ruling class in London however, had little compunction against the mass kidnapping and shipping of their fellow Protestant whites, dehumanized as vagabonds, convicts and refuse, to British North America without indentures, as chattel slaves in the long 17th century. [I should add that after Oliver Cromwell’s death and the rapid dissolution of the Commonwealth, the Stuart dynasty was restored to power and the Anglican King Charles II (who would convert to the Church of Rome toward the end of his life), sent Puritans into slavery in the West Indies with as much alacrity as had Cromwell with the Irish].

    My book They Were White and They Were Slaves was banned by the late John Tyndall when he headed the British National Party (BNP) because he believed it to be an affront to the British aristocracy. I mention this because Charles Dickens (himself a former child laborer) and other astute observers have noted that the white “elite" have often been guilty of what Dickens termed, “telescopic philanthropy” — looking to faraway lands or non-white peoples for examples of penury and destitution to be first alleviated, while their own oppressed white kinsman are callously ignored.

    The wretched condition of the legion of child miners, chimney sweeps and juvenile factory workers suffering under the noses of the royalty who largely ignored them in preference to the meetings of abolitionist societies and gala receptions for Harriet Beecher Stowe, was a bitter fact of life for the white working class of Victorian England. The Hillary Clintons and Peter Strzoks of that time also dismissed them as deplorables and refuse. The cry to limit their procreation was a ruling class concern as early as 1798 with the publication of the Rev. Thomas Malthus’ influential polemic.
    , @Jake
    If you try to make such a point at VDARE, you will be ignored, unless Derbyshire, Brimelow, or Fulford deigns to make a smartass answer, right before he starts bellowing 'Rule Britannia' and then 'God Save the Queen.'
    , @jacques sheete

    There’s no way a sense of racial brotherhood is going to descend on Europeans in this century, but this issue can surface if a sense of worker solidarity comes by again as it did in the 1920s-40s in Europe.
     
    True, and if it happens make a comeback, it'll doubtlessly be subverted by the "elite" as usual. Rich support and subsequent perversion of the Red movement of the time is a classic example of how the rich mange to pervert everything to their own ends.

    The Nazis had to be destroyed because they made the rest of the fascists (commies in name only) look bad vis a vis their treatment of the working class and it was quite successful despite all the odds.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  40. @Franz
    Big issue, context can be summarized thus:

    In 1619, with the introduction of West African fieldworkers, the Elite of that era and all time to come drove a wedge into whomever does productive work in the New World -- forever.

    White slaves will be forgotten because elite whites are totally incapable of feeling any kinship with their declass ethnic folk. This allows minority grievances to swamp any discussion of the issue of how most whites were treated, most of the time.

    From history's perspective the Irish really did bore the brunt of it. After Anthony Wayne's conquest of the "old Northwest", the Great Lakes region went on a binge of canal building almost all the way through the 1840s. The canals in the region were called "Irish graves" due to the high mortality of these workers, from overwork, bad food, malaria. Few histories even mention it. Not to put a fine point on it, black slavery's shadow has occluded a great deal of white misery.

    There's no way a sense of racial brotherhood is going to descend on Europeans in this century, but this issue can surface if a sense of worker solidarity comes by again as it did in the 1920s-40s in Europe.

    If whites can't love each other much, maybe they can at least start focusing on their more obvious enemies.

    From history’s perspective the Irish really did bore the brunt of it. After Anthony Wayne’s conquest of the “old Northwest”, the Great Lakes region went on a binge of canal building almost all the way through the 1840s. The canals in the region were called “Irish graves” due to the high mortality of these workers, from overwork, bad food, malaria. Few histories even mention it. Not to put a fine point on it, black slavery’s shadow has occluded a great deal of white misery.

    The same is true in the South. The canals dug through the malarial swamps were not dug by valuable slaves, they were dug by native whites and imported Irish. Of course, many died. And when they weren’t doing the work that nobody wanted their slaves to do, they were competing against large-scale slave labor. I guess that’s what we call White Privilege!

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  41. Wally says:
    @Precious
    Very rarely you’ll read about the horror of capitalism… Of course, that’s not what the author wants to say.

    And yet those horrors are a breeze in the park compared to the horrors of socialism and communism. Of course, that's not what Yee wanted to hear.

    AFAIK, generally alleged leftist “horrors of capitalism” are not examples of capitalism that I know of.

    Do tell.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Precious
    AFAIK, generally alleged leftist “horrors of capitalism” are not examples of capitalism that I know of. Do tell.

    You are correct. But someone like Yee doesn't comprehend dialectic methods of argument like using logic, reason, and English language definitions. Yee understand rhetoric, which is why he used his little zinger, and I used his own words against him to zing him back. That he understands.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  42. @WHAT
    It's all fine and dandy until I come to the pol-tier idiotic passage about slavs. No, roman word sclavus does not mean slav, who only came into the region long time after anyway.
    Slav comes from slovo, meaning word, as to denote people who have languages close to your own. How could anybody but the most pathetic bugman reasonably expect free people to call themselves slaves?

    The English word slave is indeed derived from an early medieval word — the 9th century ecclesiastical Latin term “Sclavus,” identical with the racial name for Slav; the Slavic population of central Europe having been reduced episodically to enslavement by kidnapping and or conquest in that era.

    — “Slave,” The Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd ed. (1989).

    Read More
    • Replies: @utu
    From wiki:

    By the turn of the 6th to the 7th century, Jews had become the chief slave traders in Italy, and were active in Gaelic territories. Pope Gregory the Great issued a ban on Jews possessing Christian slaves, lest the slaves convert to Judaism.[28][29] By the 9th and 10th centuries, Jewish merchants, sometimes called Radhanites, were a major force in the slave trade continent-wide.[10][30][31]

    Jews were one of the few groups who could move and trade between the Christian and Islamic worlds.[31] Ibn Khordadbeh observed and recorded routes of Jewish merchants in his Book of Roads and Kingdoms from the South of France to Spain, carrying (amongst other things) female slaves, eunuch slaves, and young slave boys. He also notes Jews purchasing Slavic slaves in Prague.[10][28][32] Letters of Agobard, archbishop of Lyons (816–840),[33][34][35][36] acts of the emperor Louis the Pious,[37][38] and the seventy-fifth canon of the Council of Meaux of 845 confirms the existence of a route used by Jewish traders with Slavic slaves through the Alps to Lyon, to Southern France, to Spain.[10] Toll records from Walenstadt in 842–843 indicate another trade route, through Switzerland, the Septimer and Splügen passes, to Venice, and from there to North Africa.
     
    , @Bliss
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saqaliba

    Ṣaqāliba (Arabic: صقالبة, sg. ṣaqlabī) is a term used in medieval Islamic sources to refer to Slavs or other peoples of Northern Europe, or more specifically to European slaves. The term originates from the Middle Greek slavos/sklavenos (Slav), which in Hispano-Arabic came to designate first Slavic slaves and then, similarly to the semantic development of the term in other West-European languages, foreign slaves in general. The word is often misused to refer only to slaves from Central and Eastern Europe, but it refers to all Central and Eastern Europeans and others traded by the Arab traders during the war or peace periods.

    There were several major routes for the trading of Slav slaves into the Muslim world: through Central Asia (Mongols, Tatars, Khazars, etc.) for the East Slavs; through the Balkans for the South Slavs; through Central and Western Europe for the West Slavs and to Al-Andalus. The Volga trade route and other European routes, according to Ibrahim ibn Jakub (10th century), were serviced by Radanite Jewish merchants. (Compare Crimean–Nogai raids into East Slavic lands.)
    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    And don't forget the Khazars, who made bank on selling Slavic captives into slavery to the Ottomans.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  43. @Precious
    Very rarely you’ll read about the horror of capitalism… Of course, that’s not what the author wants to say.

    And yet those horrors are a breeze in the park compared to the horrors of socialism and communism. Of course, that's not what Yee wanted to hear.

    And yet those horrors are a breeze in the park compared to the horrors of socialism and communism.

    Nah. Don’t believe it. They’re all methods that can, and have been, be used to exploit people other than the ruling classes. The “capitalist” US supported the “Commie,” Stalin, to the hilt, and the Commie movement was funded largely by Red millionaires.

    Orwell made a valid point in Animal Farm, claiming that the main difference in the various systems is in the names.

    “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

    ― George Orwell, Animal Farm

    I would also like to remind folks that the Brit impressment (kidnapping) of US sailors to man their naval vessels was an important cause of the War of 1812. I think the world would be a lot more civilized if the stinking Brit Empire, for one, never existed.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Precious
    Nah. Don’t believe it.

    Because you say so?

    They’re all methods that can, and have been, be used to exploit people other than the ruling classes.

    Wrong. While capitalism "can" and has been used to exploit people, socialism and communism must exploit people.

    The “capitalist” US supported the “Commie,” Stalin, to the hilt

    I am well aware US grown food fed the Soviets for a long time, but that is completely irrelevant to my point, which you failed to address, that the horrors of capitalism are dwarfed by the horrors of socialism and communism.

    But if you want me to not believe it, simply show me the 90 million Americans killed in the 20th century by American capitalists.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  44. @Jake
    "The arrogant disregard for the holocaust visited upon the poor and working class Whites of Britain by the aristocracy continues in our time because the history of that epoch has been almost completely extirpated from our collective memory."

    That erasure of brutal history is necessary for non-Elite whites not merely to see themselves as WASPs and WASP culture as a really good thing, but to see WASP culture as perhaps the one thing they might fight to protect.

    Some of them know parts of the horror, but are fine with it, because they see it as happening only to Irish or Highland Catholics, who deserved it for not being English and not being Protestant.

    From its inception, WASP culture - the child of the Judaizing heresy Anglo-Saxon Puritanism - has featured war of extermination against all non-WASP cultures native to the British Isles. That for more than a couple centuries featured making slaves of many of the whites who failed to toe the line quickly enough.

    “The arrogant disregard for the holocaust visited upon the poor and working class Whites of Britain by the aristocracy continues in our time because the history of that epoch has been almost completely extirpated from our collective memory.”

    I like your comment regarding that quote and would like to add that it continues to this time merely because that’s what”elites” do. If they didn’t manage somehow to grab what others have, they wouldn’t be “elite.”

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  45. @Bardon Kaldian
    It is known stuff:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6ByG7q74qg

    ‘It is known stuff.’

    Sometimes it’s nice to know you needn’t watch the video. HMS Victory is identified as a product of Victorian Britain. That takes care of that.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  46. utu says:
    @Michael Hoffman
    The English word slave is indeed derived from an early medieval word — the 9th century ecclesiastical Latin term “Sclavus," identical with the racial name for Slav; the Slavic population of central Europe having been reduced episodically to enslavement by kidnapping and or conquest in that era.

    — “Slave,” The Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd ed. (1989).

    From wiki:

    By the turn of the 6th to the 7th century, Jews had become the chief slave traders in Italy, and were active in Gaelic territories. Pope Gregory the Great issued a ban on Jews possessing Christian slaves, lest the slaves convert to Judaism.[28][29] By the 9th and 10th centuries, Jewish merchants, sometimes called Radhanites, were a major force in the slave trade continent-wide.[10][30][31]

    Jews were one of the few groups who could move and trade between the Christian and Islamic worlds.[31] Ibn Khordadbeh observed and recorded routes of Jewish merchants in his Book of Roads and Kingdoms from the South of France to Spain, carrying (amongst other things) female slaves, eunuch slaves, and young slave boys. He also notes Jews purchasing Slavic slaves in Prague.[10][28][32] Letters of Agobard, archbishop of Lyons (816–840),[33][34][35][36] acts of the emperor Louis the Pious,[37][38] and the seventy-fifth canon of the Council of Meaux of 845 confirms the existence of a route used by Jewish traders with Slavic slaves through the Alps to Lyon, to Southern France, to Spain.[10] Toll records from Walenstadt in 842–843 indicate another trade route, through Switzerland, the Septimer and Splügen passes, to Venice, and from there to North Africa.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  47. Jake says:

    My guess is that ‘WHAT’ does not care, because he is a poster for ADL/SPLC, etc. That type has a long history of confusing people with what sounds ‘academic’ and deeply knowledgable.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  48. @Franz
    Big issue, context can be summarized thus:

    In 1619, with the introduction of West African fieldworkers, the Elite of that era and all time to come drove a wedge into whomever does productive work in the New World -- forever.

    White slaves will be forgotten because elite whites are totally incapable of feeling any kinship with their declass ethnic folk. This allows minority grievances to swamp any discussion of the issue of how most whites were treated, most of the time.

    From history's perspective the Irish really did bore the brunt of it. After Anthony Wayne's conquest of the "old Northwest", the Great Lakes region went on a binge of canal building almost all the way through the 1840s. The canals in the region were called "Irish graves" due to the high mortality of these workers, from overwork, bad food, malaria. Few histories even mention it. Not to put a fine point on it, black slavery's shadow has occluded a great deal of white misery.

    There's no way a sense of racial brotherhood is going to descend on Europeans in this century, but this issue can surface if a sense of worker solidarity comes by again as it did in the 1920s-40s in Europe.

    If whites can't love each other much, maybe they can at least start focusing on their more obvious enemies.

    I wouldn’t say that the Irish bore the brunt of the white enslavement in early British America. There was comparatively little immigration from Ireland to the colonies in the 17th century, with the exception of the political prisoners and battle captives enslaved in the West Indies during the Puritan interregnum. The abuse of the Irish began in earnest in 18th century America and was punctuated in the 19th by Frederick Law Olmsted’s witness, in antebellum Alabama, to the fact that they were valued lower than Black slaves.

    The Protestant white ruling class in London however, had little compunction against the mass kidnapping and shipping of their fellow Protestant whites, dehumanized as vagabonds, convicts and refuse, to British North America without indentures, as chattel slaves in the long 17th century. [I should add that after Oliver Cromwell’s death and the rapid dissolution of the Commonwealth, the Stuart dynasty was restored to power and the Anglican King Charles II (who would convert to the Church of Rome toward the end of his life), sent Puritans into slavery in the West Indies with as much alacrity as had Cromwell with the Irish].

    My book They Were White and They Were Slaves was banned by the late John Tyndall when he headed the British National Party (BNP) because he believed it to be an affront to the British aristocracy. I mention this because Charles Dickens (himself a former child laborer) and other astute observers have noted that the white “elite” have often been guilty of what Dickens termed, “telescopic philanthropy” — looking to faraway lands or non-white peoples for examples of penury and destitution to be first alleviated, while their own oppressed white kinsman are callously ignored.

    The wretched condition of the legion of child miners, chimney sweeps and juvenile factory workers suffering under the noses of the royalty who largely ignored them in preference to the meetings of abolitionist societies and gala receptions for Harriet Beecher Stowe, was a bitter fact of life for the white working class of Victorian England. The Hillary Clintons and Peter Strzoks of that time also dismissed them as deplorables and refuse. The cry to limit their procreation was a ruling class concern as early as 1798 with the publication of the Rev. Thomas Malthus’ influential polemic.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Bobzilla

    I mention this because Charles Dickens (himself a former child laborer) and other astute observers have noted that the white “elite” have often been guilty of what Dickens termed, “telescopic philanthropy” — looking to faraway lands or non-white peoples for examples of penury and destitution to be first alleviated, while their own oppressed white kinsman are callously ignored.
     
    Had not heard of Dickens "telescopic philanthropy" remark before. How true, however. Thanks for sharing that gem.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  49. Jake says:
    @Franz
    Big issue, context can be summarized thus:

    In 1619, with the introduction of West African fieldworkers, the Elite of that era and all time to come drove a wedge into whomever does productive work in the New World -- forever.

    White slaves will be forgotten because elite whites are totally incapable of feeling any kinship with their declass ethnic folk. This allows minority grievances to swamp any discussion of the issue of how most whites were treated, most of the time.

    From history's perspective the Irish really did bore the brunt of it. After Anthony Wayne's conquest of the "old Northwest", the Great Lakes region went on a binge of canal building almost all the way through the 1840s. The canals in the region were called "Irish graves" due to the high mortality of these workers, from overwork, bad food, malaria. Few histories even mention it. Not to put a fine point on it, black slavery's shadow has occluded a great deal of white misery.

    There's no way a sense of racial brotherhood is going to descend on Europeans in this century, but this issue can surface if a sense of worker solidarity comes by again as it did in the 1920s-40s in Europe.

    If whites can't love each other much, maybe they can at least start focusing on their more obvious enemies.

    If you try to make such a point at VDARE, you will be ignored, unless Derbyshire, Brimelow, or Fulford deigns to make a smartass answer, right before he starts bellowing ‘Rule Britannia’ and then ‘God Save the Queen.’

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  50. densa says:

    The chronicle of White slavery in America comprises the dustiest shelf in the darkest corner of suppressed American history. Should the truth about that epoch ever emerge into the public consciousness of Americans, the whole basis for the swindle of “Affirmative action,” “minority set-asides” and proposed “Reparations to African-Americans” will be swept away. The fact is, the White working people of this country owe no one. They are themselves the descendants, as Congressman Wilmot so aptly said, of “the sons of toil.”

    Anyone who doubts the “sons of toil” is accurate can spend some time doing genealogy on the cracker, redneck trash. Some of them were slaves. Many more were the poor being cleared off the view shed of the wealthy. Almost every group of poor whites had some version of the Highland clearances.

    They came here desperate, and they did seek a better political power share for ordinary people against a ruthless ruling class. I’m sure generations of farmers, laborers and soldiers paid in land script are turning in their graves at what the land and the dream they had has become.

    The current war on whites is based on cherry picking history. Kudos to Michael Hoffman for challenging the consensus.

    Read More
    • Replies: @MarkinPNW
    And the program of "...the poor being cleared off the view shed of the wealthy" continues to this day with Agenda 21 and Agenda 30.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  51. @nickels
    WHAT is missing the point.
    Yes, Slav comes from Слова.
    But the English word slave comes from sclava, which means Slavic captive.

    -- confer
    Σκλάβος (Sklábos), probably from the Greek verb σκυλάω (skuláō), a variant of σκυλεύω (skuleúō, “to get the spoils of war”).[1]

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sclavus#Latin

    Or, possibly:
    Σλαβῆνοι (Slabênoi), from Proto-Slavic *slověne (plural; the singular form Proto-Slavic *slověninъ is derived from it)

    Well. This actually makes the whole thing ambigous. Who knows.

    Regardless of the etymology ambiguity, I still want to hear from WHAT. Is he nit picking or has he found some other material flaws in Mr. Hoffman’s piece? I kind of sensed some animosity with his post.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  52. Bliss says:
    @Michael Hoffman
    The English word slave is indeed derived from an early medieval word — the 9th century ecclesiastical Latin term “Sclavus," identical with the racial name for Slav; the Slavic population of central Europe having been reduced episodically to enslavement by kidnapping and or conquest in that era.

    — “Slave,” The Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd ed. (1989).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saqaliba

    Ṣaqāliba (Arabic: صقالبة, sg. ṣaqlabī) is a term used in medieval Islamic sources to refer to Slavs or other peoples of Northern Europe, or more specifically to European slaves. The term originates from the Middle Greek slavos/sklavenos (Slav), which in Hispano-Arabic came to designate first Slavic slaves and then, similarly to the semantic development of the term in other West-European languages, foreign slaves in general. The word is often misused to refer only to slaves from Central and Eastern Europe, but it refers to all Central and Eastern Europeans and others traded by the Arab traders during the war or peace periods.

    There were several major routes for the trading of Slav slaves into the Muslim world: through Central Asia (Mongols, Tatars, Khazars, etc.) for the East Slavs; through the Balkans for the South Slavs; through Central and Western Europe for the West Slavs and to Al-Andalus. The Volga trade route and other European routes, according to Ibrahim ibn Jakub (10th century), were serviced by Radanite Jewish merchants. (Compare Crimean–Nogai raids into East Slavic lands.)

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  53. @Michael Hoffman
    The English word slave is indeed derived from an early medieval word — the 9th century ecclesiastical Latin term “Sclavus," identical with the racial name for Slav; the Slavic population of central Europe having been reduced episodically to enslavement by kidnapping and or conquest in that era.

    — “Slave,” The Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd ed. (1989).

    And don’t forget the Khazars, who made bank on selling Slavic captives into slavery to the Ottomans.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  54. Precious says:
    @jacques sheete

    And yet those horrors are a breeze in the park compared to the horrors of socialism and communism.
     
    Nah. Don't believe it. They're all methods that can, and have been, be used to exploit people other than the ruling classes. The "capitalist" US supported the "Commie," Stalin, to the hilt, and the Commie movement was funded largely by Red millionaires.

    Orwell made a valid point in Animal Farm, claiming that the main difference in the various systems is in the names.

    “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

    ― George Orwell, Animal Farm
     
    I would also like to remind folks that the Brit impressment (kidnapping) of US sailors to man their naval vessels was an important cause of the War of 1812. I think the world would be a lot more civilized if the stinking Brit Empire, for one, never existed.

    Nah. Don’t believe it.

    Because you say so?

    They’re all methods that can, and have been, be used to exploit people other than the ruling classes.

    Wrong. While capitalism “can” and has been used to exploit people, socialism and communism must exploit people.

    The “capitalist” US supported the “Commie,” Stalin, to the hilt

    I am well aware US grown food fed the Soviets for a long time, but that is completely irrelevant to my point, which you failed to address, that the horrors of capitalism are dwarfed by the horrors of socialism and communism.

    But if you want me to not believe it, simply show me the 90 million Americans killed in the 20th century by American capitalists.

    Read More
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    Talk about missing the point!

    The murderous Reds of the time were supported by some of the biggest capitalists of the time, thus the money boys were part of the Commie problem.

    Now, go read Anthony Sutton, to name one among many who documented "elite" involvement in building up the Reds.

    Here's another source, but it's likely wasted on the likes of you...

    Famous names, Vanderbilt, Lamont, Whitney, Morgan, mingled with those of communist leaders. The Russian Institute was so respectable that it was allowed to give in-service courses to New York City schoolteachers for credit.

    -Bella Dodd, School of Darkness, Chap 11
     
    Not for nothing did the likes of Marx and Trotsky spend time in NYC as guests of big shots. Read, for example, about how Trotsky was treated like royalty then get back to me.
    , @jacques sheete


    Nah. Don’t believe it.
     
    Because you say so?
     
    No. Because it's obvious to anyone with a brain and should be doubly obvious when the concept is pointed out to them. It took about 3 seconds to find this...

    the Bolshevik revolution actually was financed by wealthy financiers in London and New York. Lenin and Trotsky were on the closest of terms with these moneyed interests both before and after the Revolution.

    http://www.wildboar.net/multilingual/easterneuropean/russian/literature/articles/whofinanced/whofinancedleninandtrotsky.html
     

    Read it.

    BTW, anyone still believing in the false dichotomy between Communism and Capitalism is probably, at this late date, hopeless. FYI neither capitalism nor communism are panaceas or messiahs and it has nothing to do with whether I say so or not.

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  55. Precious says:
    @Wally
    AFAIK, generally alleged leftist "horrors of capitalism" are not examples of capitalism that I know of.

    Do tell.

    AFAIK, generally alleged leftist “horrors of capitalism” are not examples of capitalism that I know of. Do tell.

    You are correct. But someone like Yee doesn’t comprehend dialectic methods of argument like using logic, reason, and English language definitions. Yee understand rhetoric, which is why he used his little zinger, and I used his own words against him to zing him back. That he understands.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  56. H. S. says:

    ”A Celtic cross stands high above the waters at the western end of Canada’ Gross-Ile. [...]
    The cross bears inscriptions in Gaelic, French and English, carved on ebony panels.

    Children of the Gael died in their thousands on this island
    having fled from the laws of the foreign tyrants and an artificial famine in the years 1847-48.
    God’s loyal blessing upon them.
    Let this monument be a token to their name and honour
    from the Gaels of America.
    God Save Ireland.

    That is the translation from the Gaelic inscription. The bitterness of the accusatory Gaelic inscription is absent from the English dedication. [...] The French dedication is similarly lacking in bitterness.”

    Excerpt, emphasis added: The Famine Ships, The Irish Exodus to America, by Edward Laxton.

    The text on Grosse-Ile for Mr. McGovern.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  57. Bobzilla says:
    @Logan
    I am intrigued by the author's discussion of early lifetime and hereditary white slavery in America. But he has for some reason not included any links to, you know, evidence that his claims are accurate.

    If he wants us to believe what he says, he should link to the actual documents.

    If he wants us to believe what he says, he should link to the actual documents.

    A lot of these documents are probably not online. I do believe his books have ample references and citations.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  58. Bobzilla says:
    @Michael Hoffman
    I wouldn’t say that the Irish bore the brunt of the white enslavement in early British America. There was comparatively little immigration from Ireland to the colonies in the 17th century, with the exception of the political prisoners and battle captives enslaved in the West Indies during the Puritan interregnum. The abuse of the Irish began in earnest in 18th century America and was punctuated in the 19th by Frederick Law Olmsted’s witness, in antebellum Alabama, to the fact that they were valued lower than Black slaves.

    The Protestant white ruling class in London however, had little compunction against the mass kidnapping and shipping of their fellow Protestant whites, dehumanized as vagabonds, convicts and refuse, to British North America without indentures, as chattel slaves in the long 17th century. [I should add that after Oliver Cromwell’s death and the rapid dissolution of the Commonwealth, the Stuart dynasty was restored to power and the Anglican King Charles II (who would convert to the Church of Rome toward the end of his life), sent Puritans into slavery in the West Indies with as much alacrity as had Cromwell with the Irish].

    My book They Were White and They Were Slaves was banned by the late John Tyndall when he headed the British National Party (BNP) because he believed it to be an affront to the British aristocracy. I mention this because Charles Dickens (himself a former child laborer) and other astute observers have noted that the white “elite" have often been guilty of what Dickens termed, “telescopic philanthropy” — looking to faraway lands or non-white peoples for examples of penury and destitution to be first alleviated, while their own oppressed white kinsman are callously ignored.

    The wretched condition of the legion of child miners, chimney sweeps and juvenile factory workers suffering under the noses of the royalty who largely ignored them in preference to the meetings of abolitionist societies and gala receptions for Harriet Beecher Stowe, was a bitter fact of life for the white working class of Victorian England. The Hillary Clintons and Peter Strzoks of that time also dismissed them as deplorables and refuse. The cry to limit their procreation was a ruling class concern as early as 1798 with the publication of the Rev. Thomas Malthus’ influential polemic.

    I mention this because Charles Dickens (himself a former child laborer) and other astute observers have noted that the white “elite” have often been guilty of what Dickens termed, “telescopic philanthropy” — looking to faraway lands or non-white peoples for examples of penury and destitution to be first alleviated, while their own oppressed white kinsman are callously ignored.

    Had not heard of Dickens “telescopic philanthropy” remark before. How true, however. Thanks for sharing that gem.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  59. @OilcanFloyd

    But this definitely seems to contradict the narrative that all white ancestry present among blacks today comes from white slavemasters doing a lot of raping.
     
    I've never heard of that, but I would guess that White women who were slaves, indentures, or tenants were at the greatest risk of being victims of rape, sexual assault and coercion. Nobody seems to have looked into that, but it seems that they would be the favored targets of sexual predators preying on the vulnerable, especially if you look at current rape stats. The funny thing is that most White feminists would call anyone looking into the matter a racist.

    Prior to the steam engine very few single women immigrated to the United States; no British woman said “Dad, I’ll be sailing to North Carolina to be raped by Negros now”. The English planters and Scots who moved to West Virginia came mostly as young couples.

    Old Colonial US stock as a result tends to have a considerable amount of Cherokee female. Many Englishman married Cherokees women-the tribe was more amenable than Apache.

    English planters who owned the plantations did not order white women dragged into slave quarters and raped. There were not white women to spare in Colonial days, most were sent to the colonies for arranged marriages.

    Settling new countries is a male endeavor and puts female sex partners at a premium. There are none to spare for Negro gang rapes.

    The huge female migration to the United States really occurred in the 1880′s when Irish and Italian women-many of them career prostitutes-saw an opportunity to make money in the Industrial North. This is the reason that most whites in NYC won’t have Cherokee blood in them and most white Southerners have Cherokee blood in their maternal DNA here and there.

    Read More
    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    Prior to the steam engine very few single women immigrated to the United States; no British woman said “Dad, I’ll be sailing to North Carolina to be raped by Negros now”. The English planters and Scots who moved to West Virginia came mostly as young couples.
     
    Where to start?
    1. West Virginia was founded during the Civil War. The early settlers to western Virginia weren't planters for the most part.
    2. The colonies were full of women from Europe. In the very early days, there were few women, but there were few blacks then, also. My point was that with many white women in a state of servitude or serfdom, they, if anyone, were the likely the main targets of rape or sexual abuse from powerful men, not black women. It makes sense that white rapists of the time would target white women as they do now, but that's just speculation on my part, since there is no research in the topic that I know of.
    3. Early colonists didn't just sail to the colonies. Many were cleared from their land in Britain or elsewhere (Germany included) and forced to leave, women, children, and whole families, in many cases. Others were "convicts" who were charged with petty crimes and poaching, or, in the case of women, prostitution. Debtors could also be sent to the colonies. Many others were simply abducted. Unless what I have read is wrong, serious criminals like murderers and rapists were shown the gallows, or more gruesome means of execution, rather than exported--it was cheaper that way, and a form of entertainment.

    Old Colonial US stock as a result tends to have a considerable amount of Cherokee female. Many Englishman married Cherokees women-the tribe was more amenable than Apache.
     
    Not true. Cherokee lands weren't encountered by the first settlers, and the amount of Indian blood in Old Stock Americans is small, family legends aside. Even early on, mixing between whites and natives wasn't that common, and it never has been. There was never a choice between Apache and Cherokee women for Colonial Englishmen. The Apaches were in uncharted land claimed by Spain. My guess is that English colonists were more likely to encounter Powhatans and Iriquois than Cherokees. But none had heard of Apaches.

    English planters who owned the plantations did not order white women dragged into slave quarters and raped. There were not white women to spare in Colonial days, most were sent to the colonies for arranged marriages.

    Settling new countries is a male endeavor and puts female sex partners at a premium. There are none to spare for Negro gang rapes.
     
    I don't think anyone ever makes formal orders for rape. The obvious point is that many white women were at the low end of society, and were the likely victims of sexual abuse, if any women were. That's the logical counter to the typical claim that black women were raped day and night by white men. There were lots of white women in the colonies--my own family tree is full of white women who lived in the British colonies, and they migrated south and west with the men. How do you think the land was settled and held? People tended to move in extended family groups which included women.

    I never mentioned negro gang rapes, so I don't know what that's about.
    , @Anon
    You should stop posting about the south of which you know nothing.

    There were many other southern tribes than the Cherokee. The entire every old American is part Indian myth is just a myth. So many people who claim Cherokee, always Cherokee ancestry have been disappointed when the 93&me DNA results arrive.

    Stick to Detroit and Dubai. Re white trash southerners in Detroit, by the time you were born their grand children and great grand children had all fled to the White suburbs.

    It’s unusual that a big city Midwesterner who left the US almost 30 years ago is such an expert on White trash southern Anglos as well as NYC.

    Thousands of White women, both English convicts and Irish and Scots came to America as indentured servants slaves and transported convicts. There are plenty of historical records.

    Liberal Midwesterners who were adults in the 1950s and 60s despised evil White southerners as oppressors of blacks and segregationists. But that blew over quickly.
    It’s hard to believe that a Midwesterner your age has the same animosity towards southerners as the liberal civil rights activists had.
    Some of your comments about drugs seem as though you just skimmed old news paper articles instead of posting from personal experience
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  60. @Jeff Stryker
    Prior to the steam engine very few single women immigrated to the United States; no British woman said "Dad, I'll be sailing to North Carolina to be raped by Negros now". The English planters and Scots who moved to West Virginia came mostly as young couples.

    Old Colonial US stock as a result tends to have a considerable amount of Cherokee female. Many Englishman married Cherokees women-the tribe was more amenable than Apache.

    English planters who owned the plantations did not order white women dragged into slave quarters and raped. There were not white women to spare in Colonial days, most were sent to the colonies for arranged marriages.

    Settling new countries is a male endeavor and puts female sex partners at a premium. There are none to spare for Negro gang rapes.

    The huge female migration to the United States really occurred in the 1880's when Irish and Italian women-many of them career prostitutes-saw an opportunity to make money in the Industrial North. This is the reason that most whites in NYC won't have Cherokee blood in them and most white Southerners have Cherokee blood in their maternal DNA here and there.

    Prior to the steam engine very few single women immigrated to the United States; no British woman said “Dad, I’ll be sailing to North Carolina to be raped by Negros now”. The English planters and Scots who moved to West Virginia came mostly as young couples.

    Where to start?
    1. West Virginia was founded during the Civil War. The early settlers to western Virginia weren’t planters for the most part.
    2. The colonies were full of women from Europe. In the very early days, there were few women, but there were few blacks then, also. My point was that with many white women in a state of servitude or serfdom, they, if anyone, were the likely the main targets of rape or sexual abuse from powerful men, not black women. It makes sense that white rapists of the time would target white women as they do now, but that’s just speculation on my part, since there is no research in the topic that I know of.
    3. Early colonists didn’t just sail to the colonies. Many were cleared from their land in Britain or elsewhere (Germany included) and forced to leave, women, children, and whole families, in many cases. Others were “convicts” who were charged with petty crimes and poaching, or, in the case of women, prostitution. Debtors could also be sent to the colonies. Many others were simply abducted. Unless what I have read is wrong, serious criminals like murderers and rapists were shown the gallows, or more gruesome means of execution, rather than exported–it was cheaper that way, and a form of entertainment.

    Old Colonial US stock as a result tends to have a considerable amount of Cherokee female. Many Englishman married Cherokees women-the tribe was more amenable than Apache.

    Not true. Cherokee lands weren’t encountered by the first settlers, and the amount of Indian blood in Old Stock Americans is small, family legends aside. Even early on, mixing between whites and natives wasn’t that common, and it never has been. There was never a choice between Apache and Cherokee women for Colonial Englishmen. The Apaches were in uncharted land claimed by Spain. My guess is that English colonists were more likely to encounter Powhatans and Iriquois than Cherokees. But none had heard of Apaches.

    English planters who owned the plantations did not order white women dragged into slave quarters and raped. There were not white women to spare in Colonial days, most were sent to the colonies for arranged marriages.

    Settling new countries is a male endeavor and puts female sex partners at a premium. There are none to spare for Negro gang rapes.

    I don’t think anyone ever makes formal orders for rape. The obvious point is that many white women were at the low end of society, and were the likely victims of sexual abuse, if any women were. That’s the logical counter to the typical claim that black women were raped day and night by white men. There were lots of white women in the colonies–my own family tree is full of white women who lived in the British colonies, and they migrated south and west with the men. How do you think the land was settled and held? People tended to move in extended family groups which included women.

    I never mentioned negro gang rapes, so I don’t know what that’s about.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    African-Americans are 20% white. Its a proven fact. You'll spot a Nigerian immediately among African-Americans, who are rarely pitch-black. So how did this happen?
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  61. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    Prior to the steam engine very few single women immigrated to the United States; no British woman said "Dad, I'll be sailing to North Carolina to be raped by Negros now". The English planters and Scots who moved to West Virginia came mostly as young couples.

    Old Colonial US stock as a result tends to have a considerable amount of Cherokee female. Many Englishman married Cherokees women-the tribe was more amenable than Apache.

    English planters who owned the plantations did not order white women dragged into slave quarters and raped. There were not white women to spare in Colonial days, most were sent to the colonies for arranged marriages.

    Settling new countries is a male endeavor and puts female sex partners at a premium. There are none to spare for Negro gang rapes.

    The huge female migration to the United States really occurred in the 1880's when Irish and Italian women-many of them career prostitutes-saw an opportunity to make money in the Industrial North. This is the reason that most whites in NYC won't have Cherokee blood in them and most white Southerners have Cherokee blood in their maternal DNA here and there.

    You should stop posting about the south of which you know nothing.

    There were many other southern tribes than the Cherokee. The entire every old American is part Indian myth is just a myth. So many people who claim Cherokee, always Cherokee ancestry have been disappointed when the 93&me DNA results arrive.

    Stick to Detroit and Dubai. Re white trash southerners in Detroit, by the time you were born their grand children and great grand children had all fled to the White suburbs.

    It’s unusual that a big city Midwesterner who left the US almost 30 years ago is such an expert on White trash southern Anglos as well as NYC.

    Thousands of White women, both English convicts and Irish and Scots came to America as indentured servants slaves and transported convicts. There are plenty of historical records.

    Liberal Midwesterners who were adults in the 1950s and 60s despised evil White southerners as oppressors of blacks and segregationists. But that blew over quickly.
    It’s hard to believe that a Midwesterner your age has the same animosity towards southerners as the liberal civil rights activists had.
    Some of your comments about drugs seem as though you just skimmed old news paper articles instead of posting from personal experience

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    My experience with drugs is based upon seeing blacks with bulging red eyeballs on crack cocaine everywhere. In the 90's meth turned poor whites into psychotic idiots.

    Oxy was after my time. No one had heard of it in 1999 when I left the United States.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  62. @OilcanFloyd

    Prior to the steam engine very few single women immigrated to the United States; no British woman said “Dad, I’ll be sailing to North Carolina to be raped by Negros now”. The English planters and Scots who moved to West Virginia came mostly as young couples.
     
    Where to start?
    1. West Virginia was founded during the Civil War. The early settlers to western Virginia weren't planters for the most part.
    2. The colonies were full of women from Europe. In the very early days, there were few women, but there were few blacks then, also. My point was that with many white women in a state of servitude or serfdom, they, if anyone, were the likely the main targets of rape or sexual abuse from powerful men, not black women. It makes sense that white rapists of the time would target white women as they do now, but that's just speculation on my part, since there is no research in the topic that I know of.
    3. Early colonists didn't just sail to the colonies. Many were cleared from their land in Britain or elsewhere (Germany included) and forced to leave, women, children, and whole families, in many cases. Others were "convicts" who were charged with petty crimes and poaching, or, in the case of women, prostitution. Debtors could also be sent to the colonies. Many others were simply abducted. Unless what I have read is wrong, serious criminals like murderers and rapists were shown the gallows, or more gruesome means of execution, rather than exported--it was cheaper that way, and a form of entertainment.

    Old Colonial US stock as a result tends to have a considerable amount of Cherokee female. Many Englishman married Cherokees women-the tribe was more amenable than Apache.
     
    Not true. Cherokee lands weren't encountered by the first settlers, and the amount of Indian blood in Old Stock Americans is small, family legends aside. Even early on, mixing between whites and natives wasn't that common, and it never has been. There was never a choice between Apache and Cherokee women for Colonial Englishmen. The Apaches were in uncharted land claimed by Spain. My guess is that English colonists were more likely to encounter Powhatans and Iriquois than Cherokees. But none had heard of Apaches.

    English planters who owned the plantations did not order white women dragged into slave quarters and raped. There were not white women to spare in Colonial days, most were sent to the colonies for arranged marriages.

    Settling new countries is a male endeavor and puts female sex partners at a premium. There are none to spare for Negro gang rapes.
     
    I don't think anyone ever makes formal orders for rape. The obvious point is that many white women were at the low end of society, and were the likely victims of sexual abuse, if any women were. That's the logical counter to the typical claim that black women were raped day and night by white men. There were lots of white women in the colonies--my own family tree is full of white women who lived in the British colonies, and they migrated south and west with the men. How do you think the land was settled and held? People tended to move in extended family groups which included women.

    I never mentioned negro gang rapes, so I don't know what that's about.

    African-Americans are 20% white. Its a proven fact. You’ll spot a Nigerian immediately among African-Americans, who are rarely pitch-black. So how did this happen?

    Read More
    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    African-Americans are 20% white. Its a proven fact.
     
    How would I know how each black person wound up with white DNA? In early colonial times, there were no anti-miscegenation laws, so some whites and blacks were married and had children. Some blacks and whites had secret relationships when miscegenation was outlawed. Prostitution could also count for some of the 20%. Some of the 20% probably comes from rape. Who claimed otherwise? Most human beings likely have a rape or two in their family trees, since every group has been on the losing side of conflict a time or two throughout history. Judging by recent generations, I'd guess that much of the reported 20% white DNA in blacks is of recent/very recent origin.

    As far as I know, no analysis of the white DNA of American blacks states when the white DNA entered the gene pool. And 20% leaves lots of room for blacks who are completely or overwhelmingly of African background, as well as blacks who are half or 3/4 white. You don't have to be an expert statistician to know that. I'd also bet that many of the blacks with higher percentages of white DNA don't live in the South.

    You’ll spot a Nigerian immediately among African-Americans, who are rarely pitch-black. So how did this happen?

     

    I've known Nigerians and other Africans who aren't pitch black. I've been around blacks every single day of my life, and they tend to look very African, because most are. If you know of some secret way of distinguishing Nigerians from other Africans, you might be able to tell American blacks from Nigerians, since the ancestors of most American blacks weren't taken from Nigeria. Otherwise, you'd be relying on cultural signals to see the differences between very many American blacks and their African counterparts.

    I wonder if anyone has done DNA analysis of Liberian blacks to determine the percentage of white DNA in the ancestors of former American slaves? That might shed some light on mixing in colonial or antebellum times. At least in pictures and on television, Liberians tend to look very African.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  63. @Franz
    Big issue, context can be summarized thus:

    In 1619, with the introduction of West African fieldworkers, the Elite of that era and all time to come drove a wedge into whomever does productive work in the New World -- forever.

    White slaves will be forgotten because elite whites are totally incapable of feeling any kinship with their declass ethnic folk. This allows minority grievances to swamp any discussion of the issue of how most whites were treated, most of the time.

    From history's perspective the Irish really did bore the brunt of it. After Anthony Wayne's conquest of the "old Northwest", the Great Lakes region went on a binge of canal building almost all the way through the 1840s. The canals in the region were called "Irish graves" due to the high mortality of these workers, from overwork, bad food, malaria. Few histories even mention it. Not to put a fine point on it, black slavery's shadow has occluded a great deal of white misery.

    There's no way a sense of racial brotherhood is going to descend on Europeans in this century, but this issue can surface if a sense of worker solidarity comes by again as it did in the 1920s-40s in Europe.

    If whites can't love each other much, maybe they can at least start focusing on their more obvious enemies.

    There’s no way a sense of racial brotherhood is going to descend on Europeans in this century, but this issue can surface if a sense of worker solidarity comes by again as it did in the 1920s-40s in Europe.

    True, and if it happens make a comeback, it’ll doubtlessly be subverted by the “elite” as usual. Rich support and subsequent perversion of the Red movement of the time is a classic example of how the rich mange to pervert everything to their own ends.

    The Nazis had to be destroyed because they made the rest of the fascists (commies in name only) look bad vis a vis their treatment of the working class and it was quite successful despite all the odds.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  64. @Anon
    You should stop posting about the south of which you know nothing.

    There were many other southern tribes than the Cherokee. The entire every old American is part Indian myth is just a myth. So many people who claim Cherokee, always Cherokee ancestry have been disappointed when the 93&me DNA results arrive.

    Stick to Detroit and Dubai. Re white trash southerners in Detroit, by the time you were born their grand children and great grand children had all fled to the White suburbs.

    It’s unusual that a big city Midwesterner who left the US almost 30 years ago is such an expert on White trash southern Anglos as well as NYC.

    Thousands of White women, both English convicts and Irish and Scots came to America as indentured servants slaves and transported convicts. There are plenty of historical records.

    Liberal Midwesterners who were adults in the 1950s and 60s despised evil White southerners as oppressors of blacks and segregationists. But that blew over quickly.
    It’s hard to believe that a Midwesterner your age has the same animosity towards southerners as the liberal civil rights activists had.
    Some of your comments about drugs seem as though you just skimmed old news paper articles instead of posting from personal experience

    My experience with drugs is based upon seeing blacks with bulging red eyeballs on crack cocaine everywhere. In the 90′s meth turned poor whites into psychotic idiots.

    Oxy was after my time. No one had heard of it in 1999 when I left the United States.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  65. @Precious
    Nah. Don’t believe it.

    Because you say so?

    They’re all methods that can, and have been, be used to exploit people other than the ruling classes.

    Wrong. While capitalism "can" and has been used to exploit people, socialism and communism must exploit people.

    The “capitalist” US supported the “Commie,” Stalin, to the hilt

    I am well aware US grown food fed the Soviets for a long time, but that is completely irrelevant to my point, which you failed to address, that the horrors of capitalism are dwarfed by the horrors of socialism and communism.

    But if you want me to not believe it, simply show me the 90 million Americans killed in the 20th century by American capitalists.

    Talk about missing the point!

    The murderous Reds of the time were supported by some of the biggest capitalists of the time, thus the money boys were part of the Commie problem.

    Now, go read Anthony Sutton, to name one among many who documented “elite” involvement in building up the Reds.

    Here’s another source, but it’s likely wasted on the likes of you…

    Famous names, Vanderbilt, Lamont, Whitney, Morgan, mingled with those of communist leaders. The Russian Institute was so respectable that it was allowed to give in-service courses to New York City schoolteachers for credit.

    -Bella Dodd, School of Darkness, Chap 11

    Not for nothing did the likes of Marx and Trotsky spend time in NYC as guests of big shots. Read, for example, about how Trotsky was treated like royalty then get back to me.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Precious
    Talk about missing the point!

    I see I hit a nerve. First tell was you lying right here, it was actually you who missed my point. You are projecting. Second tell was you felt the need to write two replies to my one post, that is always a good tell I hit a nerve and you are upset. My personal record for triggering someone was four replies to just one post, so you haven't set the record.

    The murderous Reds of the time were supported by some of the biggest capitalists of the time...Now, go read Anthony Sutton, to name one among many who documented “elite” involvement in building up the Reds...Here’s another source, but it’s likely wasted on the likes of you…Not for nothing did the likes of Marx and Trotsky spend time in NYC as guests of big shots.

    Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Everyone, notice what this liar didn't do? He didn't come up with 90 million Americans killed by American capitalists in the 20th century. That is because he can't. Yes the Communists kept needing capitalist money to keep going and buy things like rope. That doesn't change the fact that communism and socialism must exploit people, while capitalism does not have to, it only can. And that the horrors of capitalism are dwarfed by communism and socialism.

    about how Trotsky was treated like royalty then get back to me.

    First you get back to me on those 90 million Americans.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  66. @Precious
    Nah. Don’t believe it.

    Because you say so?

    They’re all methods that can, and have been, be used to exploit people other than the ruling classes.

    Wrong. While capitalism "can" and has been used to exploit people, socialism and communism must exploit people.

    The “capitalist” US supported the “Commie,” Stalin, to the hilt

    I am well aware US grown food fed the Soviets for a long time, but that is completely irrelevant to my point, which you failed to address, that the horrors of capitalism are dwarfed by the horrors of socialism and communism.

    But if you want me to not believe it, simply show me the 90 million Americans killed in the 20th century by American capitalists.

    Nah. Don’t believe it.

    Because you say so?

    No. Because it’s obvious to anyone with a brain and should be doubly obvious when the concept is pointed out to them. It took about 3 seconds to find this…

    the Bolshevik revolution actually was financed by wealthy financiers in London and New York. Lenin and Trotsky were on the closest of terms with these moneyed interests both before and after the Revolution.

    http://www.wildboar.net/multilingual/easterneuropean/russian/literature/articles/whofinanced/whofinancedleninandtrotsky.html

    Read it.

    BTW, anyone still believing in the false dichotomy between Communism and Capitalism is probably, at this late date, hopeless. FYI neither capitalism nor communism are panaceas or messiahs and it has nothing to do with whether I say so or not.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Precious
    No. Because it’s obvious to anyone with a brain and should be doubly obvious when the concept is pointed out to them.

    So it wasn't obvious to you then. I would say you were brain washed, but you can't wash something you don't have.

    BTW, anyone still believing in the false dichotomy between Communism and Capitalism

    ...has a better grasp on reality than jacques sheete. There is no false dichotomy, there are only liars like jacques who try to obfuscate and change the subject when they can't find 90 million dead Americans killed in the 20th century by American capitalists.

    FYI neither capitalism nor communism are panaceas or messiahs and it has nothing to do with whether I say so or not.

    Second lie from jacques. Look how jacques tried to move the goal posts again. No one said anything about capitalism being a panacea or messiah. That is jacques clumsy attempt to change the subject from the fact he can't find 90 million Americans killed by American capitalists in the 20th century. Which, of course, refutes his laughably false claim there is no dichotomy between Communism and Capitalism.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  67. Yee says:

    Precious,

    “And yet those horrors are a breeze in the park compared to the horrors of socialism and communism. Of course, that’s not what Yee wanted to hear.”

    Horrors of communism happened to the rich and privileged, horrors of capitalism happened to the poor and downtrodden.

    Considering who owns the media and academy, no surprise that the suffering of the rich was horror and the suffering of the poor was a breeze in the park.

    Reminding people that not only the underclass Blacks and Chinese coolies, but Whites also suffered horribly in the past, is not good for promoting capitalism. So the breeze in the park better be kept quiet.

    PS. I don’t need a Westerner to tell me which one is more horrible, communism or capitalism. I can simply ask my grandparents. They’ve lived through all, while you just regurgitate what the media fed to you.

    Read More
    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    YEE


    You don't always like me, but I usually agree with what you say.

    Most of the white Westerners have no idea what they are talking about. Their opinion of China is only from watching films like "Blue Kite" and Jackie Chan Kung Fu flicks.

    So you are right and good for you to remind them.
    , @Precious
    Horrors of communism happened to the rich and privileged,

    ...and to the poor and downtrodden. Lie by omission from Yee.

    horrors of capitalism happened to the poor and downtrodden.

    ...horrors far less than the horrors of communism.

    Considering who owns the media and academy, no surprise that the suffering of the rich was horror and the suffering of the poor was a breeze in the park.

    Now look how Yee lies a second time by pretending that I said the suffering of the poor was a breeze in the park. Everyone, go ahead and read everything I wrote, did you find where I said the suffering of the poor was a breeze in the park? Neither did I. I specifically said that the horrors of capitalism are a breeze in the park compared to the horrors of communism. Easy to show it, just count all the dead killed in China by communists.

    Reminding people that not only the underclass Blacks and Chinese coolies, but Whites also suffered horribly in the past, is not good for promoting capitalism.

    Wrong. It has absolutely no effect on capitalism one way or another. FYI Yee, white people want to own property for the same reason black people and chinese people want to own property. To improve their own lives and better those of their loved ones.

    I don’t need a Westerner to tell me which one is more horrible, communism or capitalism.

    And I don't need an Easterner implying whites like capitalism because they think they can use it keep blacks and chinese and other whites as underclass.

    while you just regurgitate what the media fed to you.

    No Yee, I don't follow your behavior patterns.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  68. For those who still think that capitalism will deliver us from slavery, or that “communism” will, all one has to do is read Hoffman’s excellent article.

    Some folks (e.g., Nock) figured out the scam many decades ago…

    The neoconservative Right depicts the battle against Big Government as a two-sided Manichean struggle between the forces of light (that is, of capitalism) and the remnants of largely discredited Leftist elites. But Rothbard’s historical analysis reveals a much richer, more complex pattern: instead of being two-sided, the struggle for liberty pits at least three sides against each other. For the capitalists, as John T. Flynn, Albert Jay Nock, and Frank Chodorov all pointed out, were never for capitalism. As Nock put it: It is one of the few amusing things in our rather stodgy world that those who today are behaving most tremendously about collectivism and the Red menace are the very ones who have cajoled, bribed, flattered and bedeviled the State into taking each and every one of the successive steps that lead straight to collectivism. [“Impostor Terms,” Atlantic Monthly, February 1936.]

    -Murray Rothbard, Wall Street, Banks and American Foreign Policy

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/assets/2015/08/Wall-Street-Banks-and-American-Foreign-Policy_2.pdf,

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  69. @Yee
    Precious,

    "And yet those horrors are a breeze in the park compared to the horrors of socialism and communism. Of course, that’s not what Yee wanted to hear."

    Horrors of communism happened to the rich and privileged, horrors of capitalism happened to the poor and downtrodden.

    Considering who owns the media and academy, no surprise that the suffering of the rich was horror and the suffering of the poor was a breeze in the park.

    Reminding people that not only the underclass Blacks and Chinese coolies, but Whites also suffered horribly in the past, is not good for promoting capitalism. So the breeze in the park better be kept quiet.

    PS. I don't need a Westerner to tell me which one is more horrible, communism or capitalism. I can simply ask my grandparents. They've lived through all, while you just regurgitate what the media fed to you.

    YEE

    You don’t always like me, but I usually agree with what you say.

    Most of the white Westerners have no idea what they are talking about. Their opinion of China is only from watching films like “Blue Kite” and Jackie Chan Kung Fu flicks.

    So you are right and good for you to remind them.

    Read More
    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    Most of the white Westerners have no idea what they are talking about.
     
    True. And even worse, they think they do and parrot pure garbage as gospel. When presented with good info contrary to their stupid beliefs, they simply can't grasp any of it.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  70. @Jeff Stryker
    African-Americans are 20% white. Its a proven fact. You'll spot a Nigerian immediately among African-Americans, who are rarely pitch-black. So how did this happen?

    African-Americans are 20% white. Its a proven fact.

    How would I know how each black person wound up with white DNA? In early colonial times, there were no anti-miscegenation laws, so some whites and blacks were married and had children. Some blacks and whites had secret relationships when miscegenation was outlawed. Prostitution could also count for some of the 20%. Some of the 20% probably comes from rape. Who claimed otherwise? Most human beings likely have a rape or two in their family trees, since every group has been on the losing side of conflict a time or two throughout history. Judging by recent generations, I’d guess that much of the reported 20% white DNA in blacks is of recent/very recent origin.

    As far as I know, no analysis of the white DNA of American blacks states when the white DNA entered the gene pool. And 20% leaves lots of room for blacks who are completely or overwhelmingly of African background, as well as blacks who are half or 3/4 white. You don’t have to be an expert statistician to know that. I’d also bet that many of the blacks with higher percentages of white DNA don’t live in the South.

    You’ll spot a Nigerian immediately among African-Americans, who are rarely pitch-black. So how did this happen?

    I’ve known Nigerians and other Africans who aren’t pitch black. I’ve been around blacks every single day of my life, and they tend to look very African, because most are. If you know of some secret way of distinguishing Nigerians from other Africans, you might be able to tell American blacks from Nigerians, since the ancestors of most American blacks weren’t taken from Nigeria. Otherwise, you’d be relying on cultural signals to see the differences between very many American blacks and their African counterparts.

    I wonder if anyone has done DNA analysis of Liberian blacks to determine the percentage of white DNA in the ancestors of former American slaves? That might shed some light on mixing in colonial or antebellum times. At least in pictures and on television, Liberians tend to look very African.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  71. anarchyst says:
    @HoodCanalGardner
    Re Detroit Eastside/Russel St 1930s-40s: Slavs (Bulgarians, Romanians, Serbs, Croats....not so much the Polish up in Hamtramck/Chene St) thought little being called/referenced as Hunkies

    I grew up in Detroit, (Chene Street) and personally witnessed the destruction of a once-great city. There are a number of reasons for Detroit’s decline that have never been explored or discussed.
    1. “Blockbusting” by greedy real estate agents. Real estate agents would send out postcards with the following: “A new family is moving into your neighborhood. If you want to sell your house, please call me at xxx-xxxx”. A “new family” was a euphemism for black families, and was used to “encourage” whites to sell their homes.
    2. HUD (Housing and Urban Development) speculators and real estate hustlers conspired to “buy up” and raze the best houses on every block, in certain sections of the city. Quite often, “shacks” were left standing while decent housing was purchased by HUD and razed. This was done purposely to depress property values, to make it easier for speculators to purchase properties at “bargain basement” prices.
    I realize that items 1 and 2 counteract each other and are at cross purposes, but they were a reality in 1960s Detroit.
    3. The 1967 riots did much to push whites out of Detroit. A little-known aspect of the Detroit riots was the application of spray-painted words on the exteriors of black-owned businesses. The words “soul brother” was spray-painted on businesses owned by blacks so that the “angels of death” (actually rioters) would spare them from destruction. Whole business districts around the city were destroyed, never to regain their former selves.
    4. The election of Coleman Alexander Young, Detroit’s first black mayor, who was overtly racist to Detroit’s white citizens while “getting along just fine” with the “movers and shakers” (big business people) of the day (as long as the campaign donations kept coming in)….
    5. The abolition of the STRESS (Stop The Robberies, Enjoy Safe Streets) program. This anti-criminal program was put in by mayor Young’s predecessor and was quite successful in “cleaning up the streets” of criminals. In this program, police officers would disguise themselves as vulnerable old people and walk through neighborhoods as “decoys”. Predatory criminals would attempt to rob these elderly citizens and quite often, were dispatched to “the great hereafter”. One of Young’s campaign promises was the abolition of the STRESS program as too many of “his people” were being eliminated. Upon the election of Young, the program was disbanded.
    These are 5 reasons for this once-great city’s demise.

    Read More
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    A most interesting set of info and insights there, anarchyst. Thanks!
    , @KenH
    Detroit is one of dozens of cities that's been utterly destroyed by the black plague. Gary, IN is another shining example and Chicago's currently on the bubble. And yet despite mountains of evidence the cuckservatives like Limbaugh and others reject the fundamental differences and incompatibility of black and white and blame all the problems on "librulism". Just a little more tinkering with the tax code and economic policy and blacks will raise themselves to white standards.

    The economic determinism of kosher conservatism and libertarianism hasn't solved the race problem and never will. The secular American religion of race neutrality, but only for whites, is killing both us and this nation.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  72. Slavery existed under a legal system that enforced property rights but not human rights. Poor people had no rights but they could become property themselves. This was recognized as an evil by many religious leaders in early America because it couldn’t be reconciled with their monotheistic Christian belief that all men are created equal. It took the Civil War to definitively put an end to the practice and its justification under American law. Once people could not cross the line from being a legal entity with enforceable rights to being the property of someone else, the law had to evolve to balance the interests of the rich and the poor. The US would not be a modern society if this had not happened.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  73. After reading and listening to the above I opened The Vicar of Wakefield, by Oliver Goldsmith, written 1761 – 1762.

    On page 139 (Philadelphia: David McKay Company, 1939) the Vicar’s well educated son recounts his experience in what appears to be a recruitment firm of the day: “In this office Mr Crispe kindly offers all his Majesty’s subjects a generous promise of thirty pounds a year, for which promise all they give in return is their liberty for life, and permission to let him transport them to America as slaves”

    At this date America probably referred to more than what would become the USA but certainly did not exclude it. We note Goldsmith uses the word promise twice here to imply it was the promise which was generously offered in return for slavery, not an actual thirty pounds.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  74. this article,which i tried to send,was returned by yahoo for,”danderous content.”
    eh up mes braves wot the frack is going on?

    Read More
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    I've had similar problems when trying to access UR and a few other sites. I guess we "truthers" must be getting to Big (Capitalist-Commie) Bro.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  75. Precious says:
    @jacques sheete
    Talk about missing the point!

    The murderous Reds of the time were supported by some of the biggest capitalists of the time, thus the money boys were part of the Commie problem.

    Now, go read Anthony Sutton, to name one among many who documented "elite" involvement in building up the Reds.

    Here's another source, but it's likely wasted on the likes of you...

    Famous names, Vanderbilt, Lamont, Whitney, Morgan, mingled with those of communist leaders. The Russian Institute was so respectable that it was allowed to give in-service courses to New York City schoolteachers for credit.

    -Bella Dodd, School of Darkness, Chap 11
     
    Not for nothing did the likes of Marx and Trotsky spend time in NYC as guests of big shots. Read, for example, about how Trotsky was treated like royalty then get back to me.

    Talk about missing the point!

    I see I hit a nerve. First tell was you lying right here, it was actually you who missed my point. You are projecting. Second tell was you felt the need to write two replies to my one post, that is always a good tell I hit a nerve and you are upset. My personal record for triggering someone was four replies to just one post, so you haven’t set the record.

    The murderous Reds of the time were supported by some of the biggest capitalists of the time…Now, go read Anthony Sutton, to name one among many who documented “elite” involvement in building up the Reds…Here’s another source, but it’s likely wasted on the likes of you…Not for nothing did the likes of Marx and Trotsky spend time in NYC as guests of big shots.

    Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Everyone, notice what this liar didn’t do? He didn’t come up with 90 million Americans killed by American capitalists in the 20th century. That is because he can’t. Yes the Communists kept needing capitalist money to keep going and buy things like rope. That doesn’t change the fact that communism and socialism must exploit people, while capitalism does not have to, it only can. And that the horrors of capitalism are dwarfed by communism and socialism.

    about how Trotsky was treated like royalty then get back to me.

    First you get back to me on those 90 million Americans.

    Read More
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    Yup, just as I figured; you can lead a mule to water but ya can't make it drink.

    Perhaps my replies to you will benefit others though.

    Have nice day.

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  76. Precious says:
    @jacques sheete


    Nah. Don’t believe it.
     
    Because you say so?
     
    No. Because it's obvious to anyone with a brain and should be doubly obvious when the concept is pointed out to them. It took about 3 seconds to find this...

    the Bolshevik revolution actually was financed by wealthy financiers in London and New York. Lenin and Trotsky were on the closest of terms with these moneyed interests both before and after the Revolution.

    http://www.wildboar.net/multilingual/easterneuropean/russian/literature/articles/whofinanced/whofinancedleninandtrotsky.html
     

    Read it.

    BTW, anyone still believing in the false dichotomy between Communism and Capitalism is probably, at this late date, hopeless. FYI neither capitalism nor communism are panaceas or messiahs and it has nothing to do with whether I say so or not.

    No. Because it’s obvious to anyone with a brain and should be doubly obvious when the concept is pointed out to them.

    So it wasn’t obvious to you then. I would say you were brain washed, but you can’t wash something you don’t have.

    BTW, anyone still believing in the false dichotomy between Communism and Capitalism

    …has a better grasp on reality than jacques sheete. There is no false dichotomy, there are only liars like jacques who try to obfuscate and change the subject when they can’t find 90 million dead Americans killed in the 20th century by American capitalists.

    FYI neither capitalism nor communism are panaceas or messiahs and it has nothing to do with whether I say so or not.

    Second lie from jacques. Look how jacques tried to move the goal posts again. No one said anything about capitalism being a panacea or messiah. That is jacques clumsy attempt to change the subject from the fact he can’t find 90 million Americans killed by American capitalists in the 20th century. Which, of course, refutes his laughably false claim there is no dichotomy between Communism and Capitalism.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  77. Precious says:
    @Yee
    Precious,

    "And yet those horrors are a breeze in the park compared to the horrors of socialism and communism. Of course, that’s not what Yee wanted to hear."

    Horrors of communism happened to the rich and privileged, horrors of capitalism happened to the poor and downtrodden.

    Considering who owns the media and academy, no surprise that the suffering of the rich was horror and the suffering of the poor was a breeze in the park.

    Reminding people that not only the underclass Blacks and Chinese coolies, but Whites also suffered horribly in the past, is not good for promoting capitalism. So the breeze in the park better be kept quiet.

    PS. I don't need a Westerner to tell me which one is more horrible, communism or capitalism. I can simply ask my grandparents. They've lived through all, while you just regurgitate what the media fed to you.

    Horrors of communism happened to the rich and privileged,

    …and to the poor and downtrodden. Lie by omission from Yee.

    horrors of capitalism happened to the poor and downtrodden.

    …horrors far less than the horrors of communism.

    Considering who owns the media and academy, no surprise that the suffering of the rich was horror and the suffering of the poor was a breeze in the park.

    Now look how Yee lies a second time by pretending that I said the suffering of the poor was a breeze in the park. Everyone, go ahead and read everything I wrote, did you find where I said the suffering of the poor was a breeze in the park? Neither did I. I specifically said that the horrors of capitalism are a breeze in the park compared to the horrors of communism. Easy to show it, just count all the dead killed in China by communists.

    Reminding people that not only the underclass Blacks and Chinese coolies, but Whites also suffered horribly in the past, is not good for promoting capitalism.

    Wrong. It has absolutely no effect on capitalism one way or another. FYI Yee, white people want to own property for the same reason black people and chinese people want to own property. To improve their own lives and better those of their loved ones.

    I don’t need a Westerner to tell me which one is more horrible, communism or capitalism.

    And I don’t need an Easterner implying whites like capitalism because they think they can use it keep blacks and chinese and other whites as underclass.

    while you just regurgitate what the media fed to you.

    No Yee, I don’t follow your behavior patterns.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  78. @Precious
    Talk about missing the point!

    I see I hit a nerve. First tell was you lying right here, it was actually you who missed my point. You are projecting. Second tell was you felt the need to write two replies to my one post, that is always a good tell I hit a nerve and you are upset. My personal record for triggering someone was four replies to just one post, so you haven't set the record.

    The murderous Reds of the time were supported by some of the biggest capitalists of the time...Now, go read Anthony Sutton, to name one among many who documented “elite” involvement in building up the Reds...Here’s another source, but it’s likely wasted on the likes of you…Not for nothing did the likes of Marx and Trotsky spend time in NYC as guests of big shots.

    Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Everyone, notice what this liar didn't do? He didn't come up with 90 million Americans killed by American capitalists in the 20th century. That is because he can't. Yes the Communists kept needing capitalist money to keep going and buy things like rope. That doesn't change the fact that communism and socialism must exploit people, while capitalism does not have to, it only can. And that the horrors of capitalism are dwarfed by communism and socialism.

    about how Trotsky was treated like royalty then get back to me.

    First you get back to me on those 90 million Americans.

    Yup, just as I figured; you can lead a mule to water but ya can’t make it drink.

    Perhaps my replies to you will benefit others though.

    Have nice day.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Precious
    Perhaps my replies to you will benefit others though.

    They will serve as an excellent case study of how people like yourselves can't admit the differences between communism and capitalism.

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  79. @paul metcalf
    this article,which i tried to send,was returned by yahoo for,"danderous content."
    eh up mes braves wot the frack is going on?

    I’ve had similar problems when trying to access UR and a few other sites. I guess we “truthers” must be getting to Big (Capitalist-Commie) Bro.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  80. @Jeff Stryker
    YEE


    You don't always like me, but I usually agree with what you say.

    Most of the white Westerners have no idea what they are talking about. Their opinion of China is only from watching films like "Blue Kite" and Jackie Chan Kung Fu flicks.

    So you are right and good for you to remind them.

    Most of the white Westerners have no idea what they are talking about.

    True. And even worse, they think they do and parrot pure garbage as gospel. When presented with good info contrary to their stupid beliefs, they simply can’t grasp any of it.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    JAQUES

    "India is a shit hole"

    Says the WN about the Brahmin or Parsi in Mumbai who lives in an Andheri penthouse while said WN's own downtown in Middle America is nothing but a deserted stretch of two-story brick buildings from the 1920's and his bridges are rusted and junked cars rust outside weatherbeaten wooden houses on streets with huge potholes in the road. Everyone has to buy "antique" furniture that is a bunch of wooden desks found in a town dump and restored-no IKEA for miles. The only businesses are tattoo shops downtown where local sluts go to get another big picture drawn on their reamed-out anuses and taxidermy shops that open in deer-hunting season.


    "Lawless"

    Like Leatherface the huge maniac dancing on a country road with a chainsaw as the sun rises over rural America.


    It is so glaringly apparent to me whose a middle class suburban and who is a real townie rube hick who never left the house he was born in his entire life.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  81. @anarchyst
    I grew up in Detroit, (Chene Street) and personally witnessed the destruction of a once-great city. There are a number of reasons for Detroit's decline that have never been explored or discussed.
    1. "Blockbusting" by greedy real estate agents. Real estate agents would send out postcards with the following: "A new family is moving into your neighborhood. If you want to sell your house, please call me at xxx-xxxx". A "new family" was a euphemism for black families, and was used to "encourage" whites to sell their homes.
    2. HUD (Housing and Urban Development) speculators and real estate hustlers conspired to "buy up" and raze the best houses on every block, in certain sections of the city. Quite often, "shacks" were left standing while decent housing was purchased by HUD and razed. This was done purposely to depress property values, to make it easier for speculators to purchase properties at "bargain basement" prices.
    I realize that items 1 and 2 counteract each other and are at cross purposes, but they were a reality in 1960s Detroit.
    3. The 1967 riots did much to push whites out of Detroit. A little-known aspect of the Detroit riots was the application of spray-painted words on the exteriors of black-owned businesses. The words "soul brother" was spray-painted on businesses owned by blacks so that the "angels of death" (actually rioters) would spare them from destruction. Whole business districts around the city were destroyed, never to regain their former selves.
    4. The election of Coleman Alexander Young, Detroit's first black mayor, who was overtly racist to Detroit's white citizens while "getting along just fine" with the "movers and shakers" (big business people) of the day (as long as the campaign donations kept coming in)....
    5. The abolition of the STRESS (Stop The Robberies, Enjoy Safe Streets) program. This anti-criminal program was put in by mayor Young's predecessor and was quite successful in "cleaning up the streets" of criminals. In this program, police officers would disguise themselves as vulnerable old people and walk through neighborhoods as "decoys". Predatory criminals would attempt to rob these elderly citizens and quite often, were dispatched to "the great hereafter". One of Young's campaign promises was the abolition of the STRESS program as too many of "his people" were being eliminated. Upon the election of Young, the program was disbanded.
    These are 5 reasons for this once-great city's demise.

    A most interesting set of info and insights there, anarchyst. Thanks!

    Read More
    • Replies: @anarchyst
    You are very welcome...Regards,
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  82. anarchyst says:
    @jacques sheete
    A most interesting set of info and insights there, anarchyst. Thanks!

    You are very welcome…Regards,

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  83. @jacques sheete

    Most of the white Westerners have no idea what they are talking about.
     
    True. And even worse, they think they do and parrot pure garbage as gospel. When presented with good info contrary to their stupid beliefs, they simply can't grasp any of it.

    JAQUES

    “India is a shit hole”

    Says the WN about the Brahmin or Parsi in Mumbai who lives in an Andheri penthouse while said WN’s own downtown in Middle America is nothing but a deserted stretch of two-story brick buildings from the 1920′s and his bridges are rusted and junked cars rust outside weatherbeaten wooden houses on streets with huge potholes in the road. Everyone has to buy “antique” furniture that is a bunch of wooden desks found in a town dump and restored-no IKEA for miles. The only businesses are tattoo shops downtown where local sluts go to get another big picture drawn on their reamed-out anuses and taxidermy shops that open in deer-hunting season.

    “Lawless”

    Like Leatherface the huge maniac dancing on a country road with a chainsaw as the sun rises over rural America.

    It is so glaringly apparent to me whose a middle class suburban and who is a real townie rube hick who never left the house he was born in his entire life.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Your I despise Whites posts are as boring as Wally's refute the holocaust and Jake’s anti reformation posts.

    Except their posts are historical facts and yours are just “ I despise Whites”

    Detroit isn’t what it is because of what White trash did. It’s what it is because of the blacks. If you left America in 1995, how can you describe what all those towns look like?

    Parsees aren’t Indians. They are Zoroastrian Persians who’ve kept their religion ethnicity and culture separate for centuries
    , @Anonymous
    IKEA???? IKEA????? You think IKEA is upscale????? OMG!!!!!!!!!

    I bet you think those white vertical blinds and pergo floors are the height of elegance too.

    IKEA

    Well, different tastes and different budgets for different SES classes.

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  84. Precious says:
    @jacques sheete
    Yup, just as I figured; you can lead a mule to water but ya can't make it drink.

    Perhaps my replies to you will benefit others though.

    Have nice day.

    Perhaps my replies to you will benefit others though.

    They will serve as an excellent case study of how people like yourselves can’t admit the differences between communism and capitalism.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  85. The difference between Communism and Capitalist is nearly self-evident. One system, by dint of Centralization, places an enormous amount of power in the hands of one cabal.

    Despite what you Zion conspirators believe about 10 Jews running America, generally capitalism prevents autocracy.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Gordon Pratt
    Jeff Stryker thinks "generally capitalism prevents autocracy" and communism not so much.

    What of the early Rothschild to whom is attributed the statement: Give me control of a nation's money supply and I care not who makes its laws?
    , @jacques sheete

    The difference between Communism and Capitalist is nearly self-evident.
     
    Just different forms of thievery. It gets really vile when capitalists fund commies such as Jacob Schiff, who helped fund the Bolshie revolution and Armand Hammer, the commie capitalist and scam artist fraud extraordinaire.

    There appears to be little or no essential dichotomy between capitalism and totalitarian communism in practice.

    Look at what was in bed with the most virulent forms of socialism. (Certain international bankers and corporatists funded both the commies under Lenin and Stalin, as well as the Nazis, believe it or not.)


    Cartoon by Robert Minor in St. Louis Post-Dispatch (1911). Karl Marx surrounded by an appreciative audience of Wall Street financiers: John D. Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan, John D. Ryan of National City Bank, and Morgan partner George W. Perkins. Immediately behind Karl Marx is Teddy Roosevelt, leader of the Progressive Party.

    https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.Y-ye_O81VJHWIB3Y4FqPFgHaNF%26pid%3D15.1&f=1


     

    Minor was a significant US red and was in a position to know...

    There is no proletarian, not even communist movement, that has not operated in the interests of money, in the directions indicated by money, and for the time permitted by money – and that it happens without the idealists amongst its leaders having the slightest suspicion of the fact.

    – Oswald Spengler The Decline of the West Vol. II, trans. C.F. Atkinson (1928)
     

    “One of the great myths of history is the supposed clash between socialism and capitalism.

    The philosopher-historian Oswald Spengler was one of the first in our era to point out that revolts in the name of ‘the people’ operate in the service of the moneyed class…”

    DR. K R BOLTON ‘In the Interests of Money’: America, Big Business & Revolution
     

    “As a matter of fact, the composition of the governments is predetermined, and their actions are controlled by great financial consortiums.”
    J. V. Stalin, Questions & Answers to American Trade Unionists: Stalin's Interview With the First American Trade Union Delegation to Soviet Russia
    Pravda September 15, 1927
     

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  86. KenH says:

    Excellent research by Michael Hoffman exploding establishment and left wing myths that N. American slavery was strictly a white on black institution. The fact is that in early America not all blacks were slaves and not all whites were free. In many cases indentured (enslaved) whites toiled in conditions worse than what blacks faced.

    This was white Christians enslaving and mistreating fellow white Christians.

    Michael Hoffman is one of the very few who’ve tried to tell their story. If not for the PC straightjacket and anti-white hatred of the (((media))), universities and governing elites then more Americans would be acquainted with Mr. Hoffman and his work.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  87. KenH says:
    @anarchyst
    I grew up in Detroit, (Chene Street) and personally witnessed the destruction of a once-great city. There are a number of reasons for Detroit's decline that have never been explored or discussed.
    1. "Blockbusting" by greedy real estate agents. Real estate agents would send out postcards with the following: "A new family is moving into your neighborhood. If you want to sell your house, please call me at xxx-xxxx". A "new family" was a euphemism for black families, and was used to "encourage" whites to sell their homes.
    2. HUD (Housing and Urban Development) speculators and real estate hustlers conspired to "buy up" and raze the best houses on every block, in certain sections of the city. Quite often, "shacks" were left standing while decent housing was purchased by HUD and razed. This was done purposely to depress property values, to make it easier for speculators to purchase properties at "bargain basement" prices.
    I realize that items 1 and 2 counteract each other and are at cross purposes, but they were a reality in 1960s Detroit.
    3. The 1967 riots did much to push whites out of Detroit. A little-known aspect of the Detroit riots was the application of spray-painted words on the exteriors of black-owned businesses. The words "soul brother" was spray-painted on businesses owned by blacks so that the "angels of death" (actually rioters) would spare them from destruction. Whole business districts around the city were destroyed, never to regain their former selves.
    4. The election of Coleman Alexander Young, Detroit's first black mayor, who was overtly racist to Detroit's white citizens while "getting along just fine" with the "movers and shakers" (big business people) of the day (as long as the campaign donations kept coming in)....
    5. The abolition of the STRESS (Stop The Robberies, Enjoy Safe Streets) program. This anti-criminal program was put in by mayor Young's predecessor and was quite successful in "cleaning up the streets" of criminals. In this program, police officers would disguise themselves as vulnerable old people and walk through neighborhoods as "decoys". Predatory criminals would attempt to rob these elderly citizens and quite often, were dispatched to "the great hereafter". One of Young's campaign promises was the abolition of the STRESS program as too many of "his people" were being eliminated. Upon the election of Young, the program was disbanded.
    These are 5 reasons for this once-great city's demise.

    Detroit is one of dozens of cities that’s been utterly destroyed by the black plague. Gary, IN is another shining example and Chicago’s currently on the bubble. And yet despite mountains of evidence the cuckservatives like Limbaugh and others reject the fundamental differences and incompatibility of black and white and blame all the problems on “librulism”. Just a little more tinkering with the tax code and economic policy and blacks will raise themselves to white standards.

    The economic determinism of kosher conservatism and libertarianism hasn’t solved the race problem and never will. The secular American religion of race neutrality, but only for whites, is killing both us and this nation.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  88. @Jeff Stryker
    The difference between Communism and Capitalist is nearly self-evident. One system, by dint of Centralization, places an enormous amount of power in the hands of one cabal.

    Despite what you Zion conspirators believe about 10 Jews running America, generally capitalism prevents autocracy.

    Jeff Stryker thinks “generally capitalism prevents autocracy” and communism not so much.

    What of the early Rothschild to whom is attributed the statement: Give me control of a nation’s money supply and I care not who makes its laws?

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    Sure, Rothschild directly ordered the deaths of millions like Stalin or Pol Pot.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  89. KEN

    Middle-class blacks know this too but what is the solution?

    A) It is ludicrous to suggest that people who have been in America for 400 years like blacks can be expelled anywhere. Black Americans are not from any particular country in Africa-I think mostly around the river basins of West Africa but even this is vague. No African country wants criminally-inclined blacks. Blacks in Detroit will remind whites that they have been in the United States (At least in the North where most of us are the great-grandchildren of immigrants) 300 years longer.

    B) The idea of allowing blacks to form some new country in Detroit or Gary is impossible. This happened in Haiti. Blacks don’t want to live in separate countries. They’d get now Fed Aid or support.

    C) Tough white guys will talk about war. But blacks in the military would obviously side with blacks, so the national guard and army would disintegrate. There are ALOT of Crips and Bloods out there that did a 2 year bit in the Marines or Army before getting kicked out.

    D) Whites can move to remote rural locations once they are retired but when you are 26 and your degree is in architecture it is hard to find word in the boondocks. What are you going to do, be a gentleman farmer?

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  90. @Gordon Pratt
    Jeff Stryker thinks "generally capitalism prevents autocracy" and communism not so much.

    What of the early Rothschild to whom is attributed the statement: Give me control of a nation's money supply and I care not who makes its laws?

    Sure, Rothschild directly ordered the deaths of millions like Stalin or Pol Pot.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  91. Peter says:

    Mr Hoffman, some gallows humour for you. THis, from wiki pedia on William Weld.
    Weld was born in Smithtown, New York. His ancestor Edmund Weld was among the earliest students (Class of 1650) at Harvard College. He would be followed by eighteen more Welds at Harvard, where two buildings are named for the family. General Stephen Minot Weld Jr. fought with distinction in many major battles of the Civil War.[6][7]

    Weld has a sense of humor about his background; when Massachusetts Senate president Billy Bulger publicly teased him about his all-American heritage and wealth, pointing out that his ancestors had come over on the Mayflower, Weld rose on the dais with a correction: “Actually, they weren’t on the Mayflower. They sent the servants over first to get the cottage ready.”[8]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Weld

    So, my Mayflower roots have been besmirched thoroughly. Puritans get their ass kicked by star chamber Anglican/ Episcopals for generations.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  92. Anonymous[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright
    It's bloody ridiculous. A white girl who has been raped in the park would be due a fat check from a black girl who hasn't. The collective history of whatever larger groups they belong to are completely secondary to their personal experience as individuals. Surely that's obvious.

    We're not insects; mindless components of some greater hive or colony. We're autonomous individuals. Any claim for grievance or sense of guilt clearly rests above all on our personal experiences and actions. What could be clearer?

    The book isn’t grievance mongering It’s history. And it’s well known to many historians.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  93. Anonymous[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    JAQUES

    "India is a shit hole"

    Says the WN about the Brahmin or Parsi in Mumbai who lives in an Andheri penthouse while said WN's own downtown in Middle America is nothing but a deserted stretch of two-story brick buildings from the 1920's and his bridges are rusted and junked cars rust outside weatherbeaten wooden houses on streets with huge potholes in the road. Everyone has to buy "antique" furniture that is a bunch of wooden desks found in a town dump and restored-no IKEA for miles. The only businesses are tattoo shops downtown where local sluts go to get another big picture drawn on their reamed-out anuses and taxidermy shops that open in deer-hunting season.


    "Lawless"

    Like Leatherface the huge maniac dancing on a country road with a chainsaw as the sun rises over rural America.


    It is so glaringly apparent to me whose a middle class suburban and who is a real townie rube hick who never left the house he was born in his entire life.

    Your I despise Whites posts are as boring as Wally’s refute the holocaust and Jake’s anti reformation posts.

    Except their posts are historical facts and yours are just “ I despise Whites”

    Detroit isn’t what it is because of what White trash did. It’s what it is because of the blacks. If you left America in 1995, how can you describe what all those towns look like?

    Parsees aren’t Indians. They are Zoroastrian Persians who’ve kept their religion ethnicity and culture separate for centuries

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    Where did I write that I despise whites? I am white.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  94. Anonymous[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    JAQUES

    "India is a shit hole"

    Says the WN about the Brahmin or Parsi in Mumbai who lives in an Andheri penthouse while said WN's own downtown in Middle America is nothing but a deserted stretch of two-story brick buildings from the 1920's and his bridges are rusted and junked cars rust outside weatherbeaten wooden houses on streets with huge potholes in the road. Everyone has to buy "antique" furniture that is a bunch of wooden desks found in a town dump and restored-no IKEA for miles. The only businesses are tattoo shops downtown where local sluts go to get another big picture drawn on their reamed-out anuses and taxidermy shops that open in deer-hunting season.


    "Lawless"

    Like Leatherface the huge maniac dancing on a country road with a chainsaw as the sun rises over rural America.


    It is so glaringly apparent to me whose a middle class suburban and who is a real townie rube hick who never left the house he was born in his entire life.

    IKEA???? IKEA????? You think IKEA is upscale????? OMG!!!!!!!!!

    I bet you think those white vertical blinds and pergo floors are the height of elegance too.

    IKEA

    Well, different tastes and different budgets for different SES classes.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    If you can afford IKEA where I was from, you're considered upper-middle-class.

    You have to bear in mind that in my region there are cities like Flint so rundown they look nearly second world.

    Of course they are nearly ghost towns and most whites have left.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  95. @Jeff Stryker
    The difference between Communism and Capitalist is nearly self-evident. One system, by dint of Centralization, places an enormous amount of power in the hands of one cabal.

    Despite what you Zion conspirators believe about 10 Jews running America, generally capitalism prevents autocracy.

    The difference between Communism and Capitalist is nearly self-evident.

    Just different forms of thievery. It gets really vile when capitalists fund commies such as Jacob Schiff, who helped fund the Bolshie revolution and Armand Hammer, the commie capitalist and scam artist fraud extraordinaire.

    There appears to be little or no essential dichotomy between capitalism and totalitarian communism in practice.

    Look at what was in bed with the most virulent forms of socialism. (Certain international bankers and corporatists funded both the commies under Lenin and Stalin, as well as the Nazis, believe it or not.)

    Cartoon by Robert Minor in St. Louis Post-Dispatch (1911). Karl Marx surrounded by an appreciative audience of Wall Street financiers: John D. Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan, John D. Ryan of National City Bank, and Morgan partner George W. Perkins. Immediately behind Karl Marx is Teddy Roosevelt, leader of the Progressive Party.

    https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.Y-ye_O81VJHWIB3Y4FqPFgHaNF%26pid%3D15.1&f=1

    Minor was a significant US red and was in a position to know…

    There is no proletarian, not even communist movement, that has not operated in the interests of money, in the directions indicated by money, and for the time permitted by money – and that it happens without the idealists amongst its leaders having the slightest suspicion of the fact.

    – Oswald Spengler The Decline of the West Vol. II, trans. C.F. Atkinson (1928)

    “One of the great myths of history is the supposed clash between socialism and capitalism.

    The philosopher-historian Oswald Spengler was one of the first in our era to point out that revolts in the name of ‘the people’ operate in the service of the moneyed class…”

    DR. K R BOLTON ‘In the Interests of Money’: America, Big Business & Revolution

    “As a matter of fact, the composition of the governments is predetermined, and their actions are controlled by great financial consortiums.”
    J. V. Stalin, Questions & Answers to American Trade Unionists: Stalin’s Interview With the First American Trade Union Delegation to Soviet Russia
    Pravda September 15, 1927

    Read More
    • Replies: @Precious
    There appears to be little or no essential dichotomy between capitalism and totalitarian communism in practice.

    If that were true, you would have provided evidence of 90 million Americans murdered in the 20th century by American capitalists.

    But you can't, so you are wrong.

    Look at what was in bed with the most virulent forms of socialism. (Certain international bankers and corporatists funded both the commies under Lenin and Stalin, as well as the Nazis, believe it or not.)

    This is why you are blinded. Capitalists taking the money they make under capitalism and supporting communism is only possible, not mandatory or inevitable.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  96. @Anonymous
    IKEA???? IKEA????? You think IKEA is upscale????? OMG!!!!!!!!!

    I bet you think those white vertical blinds and pergo floors are the height of elegance too.

    IKEA

    Well, different tastes and different budgets for different SES classes.

    If you can afford IKEA where I was from, you’re considered upper-middle-class.

    You have to bear in mind that in my region there are cities like Flint so rundown they look nearly second world.

    Of course they are nearly ghost towns and most whites have left.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  97. @Anonymous
    Your I despise Whites posts are as boring as Wally's refute the holocaust and Jake’s anti reformation posts.

    Except their posts are historical facts and yours are just “ I despise Whites”

    Detroit isn’t what it is because of what White trash did. It’s what it is because of the blacks. If you left America in 1995, how can you describe what all those towns look like?

    Parsees aren’t Indians. They are Zoroastrian Persians who’ve kept their religion ethnicity and culture separate for centuries

    Where did I write that I despise whites? I am white.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Truth
    ...So is Tim Wise.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  98. Iberiano says:

    Every single white person should always, when speaking to non-whites who bring up the topic, start their sentences by saying:

    “Well, as a descendant of white slaves…”

    If the listener looks astounded, confused…simply do the SJW thing, “wow, uhm, ok, I guess there’s still along way for us to go….(shaking head) so…so so so much ignorance…”

    If they walk away or get mad, simply advise you don’t deal with racists and end the conversation and/or walk away.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    The poverty of Italians and Irish was far worse than that of Southern black slaves in NYC or Chicago.

    By the time the North industrialized, freed blacks or those already in the North were not willing to send their kids into factories at age 12 like Italians and Irish.

    Of course Southern slavery had brutality that is absent from the Northern immigrant experience.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  99. @Iberiano
    Every single white person should always, when speaking to non-whites who bring up the topic, start their sentences by saying:

    "Well, as a descendant of white slaves..."

    If the listener looks astounded, confused...simply do the SJW thing, "wow, uhm, ok, I guess there's still along way for us to go....(shaking head) so...so so so much ignorance..."

    If they walk away or get mad, simply advise you don't deal with racists and end the conversation and/or walk away.

    The poverty of Italians and Irish was far worse than that of Southern black slaves in NYC or Chicago.

    By the time the North industrialized, freed blacks or those already in the North were not willing to send their kids into factories at age 12 like Italians and Irish.

    Of course Southern slavery had brutality that is absent from the Northern immigrant experience.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Truth
    No.

    Pure foolishness.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  100. Matt 66 says:

    none of this is a surprise to me, it’s something I’ve been looking at for quite some time,

    I found this site with a series of pieces on the British convicts being sent to the American colonies,

    http://www.earlyamericancrime.com/category/convict-transportation

    it took me a couple of weeks to read all of the stuff there, apparently the black slaves carried a higher price at the slave auctions because they were in better physical condition than the white convicts, and less trouble!

    you bought white convicts as slaves if you couldn’t afford blacks,

    also, of consideration in the south and the Caribbean, the white slaves dropped like flies from disease but the black slaves had greater resistance, hence giving a better return on investment,

    in fact the settlers in the colonies disliked the white convicts so much for their lawlessness when they ran away that it did contribute to the anti British sentiment that triggered the War of Independence,

    prior to 1776 only one in four of those arriving in the colonies was a free man, of the remainder one quarter were indentured servants, one quarter were British convicts and the last quarter were black African slaves,

    I also stumbled upon this speech by Cornell West that really focused my attention, the oligarchs don’t care what color we are, they just want to exploit us,

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/05/23/cornel-west-speaks-on-the-niggerization-of-america/

    and remember, to be deported to Australia as a convict, because you could no longer be deported to the American colonies after 1776, you only had to be found guilty of stealing goods under a certain value, say the price of a handkerchief, if the goods were over a certain value you’d be hung instead!

    if you’re interested in British history then this site will keep you occupied for ages,

    https://spartacus-educational.com/

    Read More
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    Excellent comments there!

    This one interests me in particular...what would you suggest as sources for this info?


    in fact the settlers in the colonies disliked the white convicts so much for their lawlessness when they ran away that it did contribute to the anti British sentiment that triggered the War of Independence,
     
    Thanks.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  101. @Matt 66
    none of this is a surprise to me, it's something I've been looking at for quite some time,

    I found this site with a series of pieces on the British convicts being sent to the American colonies,

    http://www.earlyamericancrime.com/category/convict-transportation

    it took me a couple of weeks to read all of the stuff there, apparently the black slaves carried a higher price at the slave auctions because they were in better physical condition than the white convicts, and less trouble!

    you bought white convicts as slaves if you couldn't afford blacks,

    also, of consideration in the south and the Caribbean, the white slaves dropped like flies from disease but the black slaves had greater resistance, hence giving a better return on investment,

    in fact the settlers in the colonies disliked the white convicts so much for their lawlessness when they ran away that it did contribute to the anti British sentiment that triggered the War of Independence,

    prior to 1776 only one in four of those arriving in the colonies was a free man, of the remainder one quarter were indentured servants, one quarter were British convicts and the last quarter were black African slaves,

    I also stumbled upon this speech by Cornell West that really focused my attention, the oligarchs don't care what color we are, they just want to exploit us,

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/05/23/cornel-west-speaks-on-the-niggerization-of-america/

    and remember, to be deported to Australia as a convict, because you could no longer be deported to the American colonies after 1776, you only had to be found guilty of stealing goods under a certain value, say the price of a handkerchief, if the goods were over a certain value you'd be hung instead!

    if you're interested in British history then this site will keep you occupied for ages,

    https://spartacus-educational.com/

    Excellent comments there!

    This one interests me in particular…what would you suggest as sources for this info?

    in fact the settlers in the colonies disliked the white convicts so much for their lawlessness when they ran away that it did contribute to the anti British sentiment that triggered the War of Independence,

    Thanks.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  102. Truth says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    I remember reading something about the history of coastal North Carolina, where it was claimed that in the early colonial days, there was a surprisingly high number of marriages between indentured whites and black slaves in the southern colonies. And more often than not, it was black males paired with white females. As white indentured servitude was phased out and black slavery took its place, these kinds of pairings had all but vanished by the time of the revolution (and had in fact probably been outlawed in many places). But this definitely seems to contradict the narrative that all white ancestry present among blacks today comes from white slavemasters doing a lot of raping.

    Oh yes, not that is true, but it lacks a very important piece of information.

    You see, the laws stated at that time that any offspring of a black male slave was a slave, owned by the owner of the father. Now, since most of the slaves imported were male, to do heavy labor that left a severe paucity of offspring. Additionally, most of the Irish imported were female to do domestic chores.

    Now your forefathers were willing to do anything for free labor and saleable assets so, yes they strongly encouraged the marriage of their black males slaves with their white Irish domestics.

    Now you know…

    The rest of the story.

    Read More
    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    https://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeology/slave-women
    African women were brought to the colonies in large enough numbers to produce families, and often did heavy work as they had done in Africa. The 20% white DNA among U.S. blacks is likely from a mixture of consenting relationships prior to anti-miscegenation laws, later illegal but consenting relationships, rapes, prostitution, and modern relationships.

    http://slavenorth.com

    https://youtu.be/t-_CPsVOznc
    The clip around the 38 minute mark is interesting, as it tells what could happen to poachers.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  103. Truth says:

    By the way, nothing warms my heart more than white guys doing “Duh man always be holdin’ me dauwnn!”

    I mean, you IS the man, but that’s a technicality. It definitely one of Barry’s moments of cultural cohesion.

    Read More
    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    "By the way, nothing warms my heart more than white guys doing “Duh man always be holdin’ me dauwnn!”

    I mean, you IS the man, but that’s a technicality. It definitely one of Barry’s moments of cultural cohesion."

    Why is it such a threat to some people to admit that many whites were treated poorly and worked like animals? It's true.

    The truth kills the claim that other groups built America and the modern world while whites stood around watching. Up to the middle of the 20th century, many whites were still tenant farmers or working at factories that paid in factory scrip, which was only good at the factory store.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  104. Truth says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    Where did I write that I despise whites? I am white.

    …So is Tim Wise.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  105. Truth says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    The poverty of Italians and Irish was far worse than that of Southern black slaves in NYC or Chicago.

    By the time the North industrialized, freed blacks or those already in the North were not willing to send their kids into factories at age 12 like Italians and Irish.

    Of course Southern slavery had brutality that is absent from the Northern immigrant experience.

    No.

    Pure foolishness.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    What is foolish? The condition of immigrants in the North? Look at some old B&W photos of 12 year old Irish kids sleeping on factory floors.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  106. @Truth
    No.

    Pure foolishness.

    What is foolish? The condition of immigrants in the North? Look at some old B&W photos of 12 year old Irish kids sleeping on factory floors.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Truth
    There were always blacks in the north and they suffered the worst conditions in the worst neighborhoods. Additionally, conditions were worse for the poor in the south than in the north, that is why people moved north.

    But hey, Sorry Duh Man be holdin' you down.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  107. @Truth
    Oh yes, not that is true, but it lacks a very important piece of information.

    You see, the laws stated at that time that any offspring of a black male slave was a slave, owned by the owner of the father. Now, since most of the slaves imported were male, to do heavy labor that left a severe paucity of offspring. Additionally, most of the Irish imported were female to do domestic chores.

    Now your forefathers were willing to do anything for free labor and saleable assets so, yes they strongly encouraged the marriage of their black males slaves with their white Irish domestics.

    Now you know...

    The rest of the story.

    https://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeology/slave-women

    African women were brought to the colonies in large enough numbers to produce families, and often did heavy work as they had done in Africa. The 20% white DNA among U.S. blacks is likely from a mixture of consenting relationships prior to anti-miscegenation laws, later illegal but consenting relationships, rapes, prostitution, and modern relationships.

    http://slavenorth.com

    The clip around the 38 minute mark is interesting, as it tells what could happen to poachers.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  108. Truth says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    What is foolish? The condition of immigrants in the North? Look at some old B&W photos of 12 year old Irish kids sleeping on factory floors.

    There were always blacks in the north and they suffered the worst conditions in the worst neighborhoods. Additionally, conditions were worse for the poor in the south than in the north, that is why people moved north.

    But hey, Sorry Duh Man be holdin’ you down.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    Conditions in the South were worse than the slums of New York where cholera broke out with Irish immigrants? Debatable. Free blacks in the North had it worse than Italian immigrants? Debatable.

    Southerners did not come North until the Depression because by then the unions were strong and wages were good in the 1930's.

    The man is not keeping Midwestern German Lutherans down.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  109. @Truth
    By the way, nothing warms my heart more than white guys doing "Duh man always be holdin' me dauwnn!"

    I mean, you IS the man, but that's a technicality. It definitely one of Barry's moments of cultural cohesion.

    “By the way, nothing warms my heart more than white guys doing “Duh man always be holdin’ me dauwnn!”

    I mean, you IS the man, but that’s a technicality. It definitely one of Barry’s moments of cultural cohesion.”

    Why is it such a threat to some people to admit that many whites were treated poorly and worked like animals? It’s true.

    The truth kills the claim that other groups built America and the modern world while whites stood around watching. Up to the middle of the 20th century, many whites were still tenant farmers or working at factories that paid in factory scrip, which was only good at the factory store.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Truth
    No, you misunderstand, I think white (so-called) conservatives playing the eternal victimology game is a good thing.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  110. @Truth
    There were always blacks in the north and they suffered the worst conditions in the worst neighborhoods. Additionally, conditions were worse for the poor in the south than in the north, that is why people moved north.

    But hey, Sorry Duh Man be holdin' you down.

    Conditions in the South were worse than the slums of New York where cholera broke out with Irish immigrants? Debatable. Free blacks in the North had it worse than Italian immigrants? Debatable.

    Southerners did not come North until the Depression because by then the unions were strong and wages were good in the 1930′s.

    The man is not keeping Midwestern German Lutherans down.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Truth


    The man is not keeping Midwestern German Lutherans down.
     
    ...Except the ones who run to Thailand.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  111. Truth says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    "By the way, nothing warms my heart more than white guys doing “Duh man always be holdin’ me dauwnn!”

    I mean, you IS the man, but that’s a technicality. It definitely one of Barry’s moments of cultural cohesion."

    Why is it such a threat to some people to admit that many whites were treated poorly and worked like animals? It's true.

    The truth kills the claim that other groups built America and the modern world while whites stood around watching. Up to the middle of the 20th century, many whites were still tenant farmers or working at factories that paid in factory scrip, which was only good at the factory store.

    No, you misunderstand, I think white (so-called) conservatives playing the eternal victimology game is a good thing.

    Read More
    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    No, you misunderstand, I think white (so-called) conservatives playing the eternal victimology game is a good thing.
     
    I don't advocate playing the victim, but I do think the truth should come out, as it makes it less likely that Whites can be manipulated by a false sense of guilt over things that few Whites had any control over, and even experienced themselves. Blacks have lots of advantages at the moment, so I wouldn't call modern blacks victims of anyone other than themselves and those who claim to work for their benefit. Being the vast majority of the population throughout much of the nation's history, it is obvious that Whites shed most of the blood, sweat, and tears in building and defending America. Any other claim is false. As far as the claim that current low-wage immigrants built the nation and suffer unknown hardships goes, that's a load of BS. They have come to a modern, developed nation, do their "back-breaking" labor with modern machinery and tools, and live in air-conditioned splendor, when compared to the Whites who built the nation. My great-grandmother probably worked harder than the average immigrant laborer does today, and she didn't have access to modern medicine, food, education, housing, etc., often at tax payer expense.

    IOW: I owe nothing to anyone, and have nothing to feel guilty about. My claim on the nation is also legitimate, which is something that illegals and the hordes or "legal" immigrants who were allowed in for votes or cheap labor, without the consent of actual Americans, can't claim.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  112. Truth says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    Conditions in the South were worse than the slums of New York where cholera broke out with Irish immigrants? Debatable. Free blacks in the North had it worse than Italian immigrants? Debatable.

    Southerners did not come North until the Depression because by then the unions were strong and wages were good in the 1930's.

    The man is not keeping Midwestern German Lutherans down.

    The man is not keeping Midwestern German Lutherans down.

    …Except the ones who run to Thailand.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    You can obtain your disability check or pension overseas, but an EBT card won't withdraw money.

    So I have not seen a black woman in decades. Or a Cholo.

    Blacks and Hispanic can barely, if at all, get by in the US.

    You'll never see one abroad.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  113. MarkinPNW says:
    @densa

    The chronicle of White slavery in America comprises the dustiest shelf in the darkest corner of suppressed American history. Should the truth about that epoch ever emerge into the public consciousness of Americans, the whole basis for the swindle of “Affirmative action,” “minority set-asides” and proposed “Reparations to African-Americans” will be swept away. The fact is, the White working people of this country owe no one. They are themselves the descendants, as Congressman Wilmot so aptly said, of “the sons of toil.”
     
    Anyone who doubts the "sons of toil" is accurate can spend some time doing genealogy on the cracker, redneck trash. Some of them were slaves. Many more were the poor being cleared off the view shed of the wealthy. Almost every group of poor whites had some version of the Highland clearances.

    They came here desperate, and they did seek a better political power share for ordinary people against a ruthless ruling class. I'm sure generations of farmers, laborers and soldiers paid in land script are turning in their graves at what the land and the dream they had has become.

    The current war on whites is based on cherry picking history. Kudos to Michael Hoffman for challenging the consensus.

    And the program of “…the poor being cleared off the view shed of the wealthy” continues to this day with Agenda 21 and Agenda 30.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  114. @Truth


    The man is not keeping Midwestern German Lutherans down.
     
    ...Except the ones who run to Thailand.

    You can obtain your disability check or pension overseas, but an EBT card won’t withdraw money.

    So I have not seen a black woman in decades. Or a Cholo.

    Blacks and Hispanic can barely, if at all, get by in the US.

    You’ll never see one abroad.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Truth
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/28/food-stamp-demographics_n_6771938.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/02/16/the-biggest-beneficiaries-of-the-government-safety-net-working-class-whites/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.741111bca7c1
    , @Truth

    You’ll never see one abroad.
     
    Hey, contrary to popular belief, Duh Man doesn't only hold down whitey.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/10/living-abroad-while-black-is-tough/502511/
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  115. Truth says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    You can obtain your disability check or pension overseas, but an EBT card won't withdraw money.

    So I have not seen a black woman in decades. Or a Cholo.

    Blacks and Hispanic can barely, if at all, get by in the US.

    You'll never see one abroad.
    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    To this point the US has more people of European descent than any other race so such a statistic would make sense.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  116. Truth says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    You can obtain your disability check or pension overseas, but an EBT card won't withdraw money.

    So I have not seen a black woman in decades. Or a Cholo.

    Blacks and Hispanic can barely, if at all, get by in the US.

    You'll never see one abroad.

    You’ll never see one abroad.

    Hey, contrary to popular belief, Duh Man doesn’t only hold down whitey.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/10/living-abroad-while-black-is-tough/502511/

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    This is a bad thing?
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  117. @Truth
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/28/food-stamp-demographics_n_6771938.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/02/16/the-biggest-beneficiaries-of-the-government-safety-net-working-class-whites/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.741111bca7c1

    To this point the US has more people of European descent than any other race so such a statistic would make sense.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  118. @Truth

    You’ll never see one abroad.
     
    Hey, contrary to popular belief, Duh Man doesn't only hold down whitey.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/10/living-abroad-while-black-is-tough/502511/

    This is a bad thing?

    Read More
    • Replies: @Truth
    Not for me to say. I have worked in 3 foreign countries and lived in one for 2 years. I had no problems and everyone loved me, and I'm black.

    But then again I was in inner city Atlanta a few weeks ago and everyone loved me there too.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  119. Truth says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    This is a bad thing?

    Not for me to say. I have worked in 3 foreign countries and lived in one for 2 years. I had no problems and everyone loved me, and I’m black.

    But then again I was in inner city Atlanta a few weeks ago and everyone loved me there too.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    Kobe Byrant is black and much-loved in Korea, probably more than any white guy.

    The AVERAGE white pensioner in Asia is trying to avoid the real TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE type whites he'd be living around in the exurbs or the sticks.
    , @Jeff Stryker
    LEATHERFACE dancing on some country road with his chainsaw is no better than a Crip or MS-13.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  120. @jilles dykstra
    Fuller I recognise, that Walker means the same I did not know.
    I had a Dutch colleague named Walker, in the USA I passed a very small village named Walker, some ten inhabitants.

    When the process became at least semi-industrialized, the legacy was a fair number of “Waulk-Mill” placenames throughout Britain.

    http://www.creetown-walks.co.uk/history-waulk-mill.asp

    https://www.urbansplash.co.uk/regeneration/projects/waulk-mill

    Usually spelled with a “u”.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  121. @Truth
    Not for me to say. I have worked in 3 foreign countries and lived in one for 2 years. I had no problems and everyone loved me, and I'm black.

    But then again I was in inner city Atlanta a few weeks ago and everyone loved me there too.

    Kobe Byrant is black and much-loved in Korea, probably more than any white guy.

    The AVERAGE white pensioner in Asia is trying to avoid the real TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE type whites he’d be living around in the exurbs or the sticks.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Truth
    Now Geoffrey; I've been able to ascertain a few things about you from reading your posts over the last few weeks:

    You don't like white men
    You don't like white women
    You don't like black men
    You don't like black women
    You don't like Hispanics
    You don't like Chinese; Sino-born, or expat
    You don't like Thais
    You don't like Philipinos
    You don't like Koreans
    You don't like Indians
    You don't like Proles
    You don't like the police
    You don't like rich businessmen

    Do I understand this correctly
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  122. @Truth
    Not for me to say. I have worked in 3 foreign countries and lived in one for 2 years. I had no problems and everyone loved me, and I'm black.

    But then again I was in inner city Atlanta a few weeks ago and everyone loved me there too.

    LEATHERFACE dancing on some country road with his chainsaw is no better than a Crip or MS-13.

    Read More
    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    Except that Leatherface is a fictional character. I also doubt that many pensioners from rural America retire to Korea.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  123. @Jeff Stryker
    LEATHERFACE dancing on some country road with his chainsaw is no better than a Crip or MS-13.

    Except that Leatherface is a fictional character. I also doubt that many pensioners from rural America retire to Korea.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    No, but Southeast Asia is good. Korea is cold and expensive.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  124. @OilcanFloyd
    Except that Leatherface is a fictional character. I also doubt that many pensioners from rural America retire to Korea.

    No, but Southeast Asia is good. Korea is cold and expensive.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  125. Truth says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    Kobe Byrant is black and much-loved in Korea, probably more than any white guy.

    The AVERAGE white pensioner in Asia is trying to avoid the real TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE type whites he'd be living around in the exurbs or the sticks.

    Now Geoffrey; I’ve been able to ascertain a few things about you from reading your posts over the last few weeks:

    You don’t like white men
    You don’t like white women
    You don’t like black men
    You don’t like black women
    You don’t like Hispanics
    You don’t like Chinese; Sino-born, or expat
    You don’t like Thais
    You don’t like Philipinos
    You don’t like Koreans
    You don’t like Indians
    You don’t like Proles
    You don’t like the police
    You don’t like rich businessmen

    Do I understand this correctly

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    A Nigerian businessman abroad is as different from Ghetto thugs as a white Londoner from the real unfettered LEATHERFACE type white trash at the rock-bottom of the US white populace.

    Nor is a white Tony Soprano-type Italian mob boss who has ordered 20 hits in his criminal career and is sitting around pondering whether to "whack" some other associate or a Jeffrey Dahmer serial killer whose killed 17 people to fulfill vague masturbatory fantasies any better than a Crip.

    Strangely, you don't accuse me of hating Jews. They are not on that list. Yet many on this site seem to despise them. You are not posting criticisms of them.
    , @Jeff Stryker
    Remember this, Truth. It is not hate, it is indifference.

    Expat males like me who marry Asians and live abroad in Tokyo or Manila do so because we don't care about issues such as "hate" or PC or the economic condition of people in the ghetto and more than middle-class people or the Fed government really care if the water goes bad somewhere like Flint.

    We come from all races, though more whites than any other. We are males who simply cannot be bothered to concern ourselves with things we regard as silly and bothersome. So we spend our lives overseas expanding our understanding of the world and experiencing many interesting things without having to worry if the guy in the efficiency apartment next door is a crack dealer or how to keep the lower classes from having kids out-of-wedlock starting at the age of 18.

    You probably think that the 1% like the FACEBOOK guy would hang around if the issues they promulgate manifested themselves in social unrest...they wouldn't. They all have that second passport to New Zealand or the South of France and they will move there in a second.

    Deep down, the issues you care about mean nothing to those with the wherewithal to leave.

    This is why most-but not all-expats overseas are white males. They don't care. They think social issues are just a weight on the shoulder.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  126. @Truth
    Now Geoffrey; I've been able to ascertain a few things about you from reading your posts over the last few weeks:

    You don't like white men
    You don't like white women
    You don't like black men
    You don't like black women
    You don't like Hispanics
    You don't like Chinese; Sino-born, or expat
    You don't like Thais
    You don't like Philipinos
    You don't like Koreans
    You don't like Indians
    You don't like Proles
    You don't like the police
    You don't like rich businessmen

    Do I understand this correctly

    A Nigerian businessman abroad is as different from Ghetto thugs as a white Londoner from the real unfettered LEATHERFACE type white trash at the rock-bottom of the US white populace.

    Nor is a white Tony Soprano-type Italian mob boss who has ordered 20 hits in his criminal career and is sitting around pondering whether to “whack” some other associate or a Jeffrey Dahmer serial killer whose killed 17 people to fulfill vague masturbatory fantasies any better than a Crip.

    Strangely, you don’t accuse me of hating Jews. They are not on that list. Yet many on this site seem to despise them. You are not posting criticisms of them.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  127. Truth says:

    I don’t post criticisms about any race or ethnicity at large. There is, in my humble opinion no group of man that does not contain more good than bad, nor one that is at large better than any other, just different.

    But I have written about the criminal Khazars on many occasions.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    NB Junkies

    A few white middle class Opiate addicts manage to come into a Trust Fund or money and move to the Golden Triangle.

    Since heroin addicts are asleep 90% of the time, the average expat need not be concerned with them.

    Their "fix" is so cheap they simply rot away in cut-rate hotel rooms their entire life abroad.

    So what?
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  128. @Truth
    Now Geoffrey; I've been able to ascertain a few things about you from reading your posts over the last few weeks:

    You don't like white men
    You don't like white women
    You don't like black men
    You don't like black women
    You don't like Hispanics
    You don't like Chinese; Sino-born, or expat
    You don't like Thais
    You don't like Philipinos
    You don't like Koreans
    You don't like Indians
    You don't like Proles
    You don't like the police
    You don't like rich businessmen

    Do I understand this correctly

    Remember this, Truth. It is not hate, it is indifference.

    Expat males like me who marry Asians and live abroad in Tokyo or Manila do so because we don’t care about issues such as “hate” or PC or the economic condition of people in the ghetto and more than middle-class people or the Fed government really care if the water goes bad somewhere like Flint.

    We come from all races, though more whites than any other. We are males who simply cannot be bothered to concern ourselves with things we regard as silly and bothersome. So we spend our lives overseas expanding our understanding of the world and experiencing many interesting things without having to worry if the guy in the efficiency apartment next door is a crack dealer or how to keep the lower classes from having kids out-of-wedlock starting at the age of 18.

    You probably think that the 1% like the FACEBOOK guy would hang around if the issues they promulgate manifested themselves in social unrest…they wouldn’t. They all have that second passport to New Zealand or the South of France and they will move there in a second.

    Deep down, the issues you care about mean nothing to those with the wherewithal to leave.

    This is why most-but not all-expats overseas are white males. They don’t care. They think social issues are just a weight on the shoulder.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  129. TRUTH LIST

    1. You cannot live overseas if you are on parole or active supervisory probation-I dislike petty criminals and aggravated assault merchants someone like me runs into in the neighborhoods I can afford-most of them would be white, by the way.

    2. You cannot live overseas if you have kids out-of-wedlock you cannot afford to send to international schools overseas or you are consistently pregnant/siring illegitimate children-unhappy juvenile delinquents and dull-eyed cock-sockets of every race who have to go on the county are not my concern.

    3. You cannot live overseas if you need your hit of crystal meth or crack cocaine every 30 minutes-the hardcore junkie criminals of all races cannot live overseas.

    4. SJW issues are not a thing you have to give to shits about-whether somebody “hates” some group. I don’t care who Filipinos “hate” or why. Not my concern. And believe me Truth, most white men deep-down are not concerned with such issues in the Western hemisphere either, they only pretend to be.

    5. Cops overseas do not do the FIRST BLOOD routine that escalates into one of them shooting an unarmed innocent man or Australian tourist, like Minnesota. In many countries, police do not need to carry guns anyhow, because of the general civility of the society. So no BLM protests.

    6. No divorce-rape. I’m married and own a house in Asia and have to children but if our relationship went South I can simply leave. She’ll keep the house, but there will be no alimony or if I choose, child support.

    NB Because of a lack of divorce rapes or failure to pay child support cases there is no need for a huge fiscal-funded court system.

    7. Immigrants are not an issue. I’ll never run into MS-13 here.

    8. Many expats are gay. This is no issue to me.

    9. I’ve never heard any complaint that (They) of the secret ZIO-cabal are running things. I’ve only met two expat Jewish-Americans in my 19 years abroad, and needless to say, it was not in Dubai. They have a pretty good gig in the US, why would they leave?

    So that is the list truth.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  130. @Truth
    I don't post criticisms about any race or ethnicity at large. There is, in my humble opinion no group of man that does not contain more good than bad, nor one that is at large better than any other, just different.

    But I have written about the criminal Khazars on many occasions.

    NB Junkies

    A few white middle class Opiate addicts manage to come into a Trust Fund or money and move to the Golden Triangle.

    Since heroin addicts are asleep 90% of the time, the average expat need not be concerned with them.

    Their “fix” is so cheap they simply rot away in cut-rate hotel rooms their entire life abroad.

    So what?

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  131. @Truth
    No, you misunderstand, I think white (so-called) conservatives playing the eternal victimology game is a good thing.

    No, you misunderstand, I think white (so-called) conservatives playing the eternal victimology game is a good thing.

    I don’t advocate playing the victim, but I do think the truth should come out, as it makes it less likely that Whites can be manipulated by a false sense of guilt over things that few Whites had any control over, and even experienced themselves. Blacks have lots of advantages at the moment, so I wouldn’t call modern blacks victims of anyone other than themselves and those who claim to work for their benefit. Being the vast majority of the population throughout much of the nation’s history, it is obvious that Whites shed most of the blood, sweat, and tears in building and defending America. Any other claim is false. As far as the claim that current low-wage immigrants built the nation and suffer unknown hardships goes, that’s a load of BS. They have come to a modern, developed nation, do their “back-breaking” labor with modern machinery and tools, and live in air-conditioned splendor, when compared to the Whites who built the nation. My great-grandmother probably worked harder than the average immigrant laborer does today, and she didn’t have access to modern medicine, food, education, housing, etc., often at tax payer expense.

    IOW: I owe nothing to anyone, and have nothing to feel guilty about. My claim on the nation is also legitimate, which is something that illegals and the hordes or “legal” immigrants who were allowed in for votes or cheap labor, without the consent of actual Americans, can’t claim.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Truth

    Blacks have lots of advantages at the moment,
     
    Yup, I see the every time I go to the inner city of a NE city.

    Truth-Victimology.
    Tomato-ToMAHto.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  132. Truth says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    No, you misunderstand, I think white (so-called) conservatives playing the eternal victimology game is a good thing.
     
    I don't advocate playing the victim, but I do think the truth should come out, as it makes it less likely that Whites can be manipulated by a false sense of guilt over things that few Whites had any control over, and even experienced themselves. Blacks have lots of advantages at the moment, so I wouldn't call modern blacks victims of anyone other than themselves and those who claim to work for their benefit. Being the vast majority of the population throughout much of the nation's history, it is obvious that Whites shed most of the blood, sweat, and tears in building and defending America. Any other claim is false. As far as the claim that current low-wage immigrants built the nation and suffer unknown hardships goes, that's a load of BS. They have come to a modern, developed nation, do their "back-breaking" labor with modern machinery and tools, and live in air-conditioned splendor, when compared to the Whites who built the nation. My great-grandmother probably worked harder than the average immigrant laborer does today, and she didn't have access to modern medicine, food, education, housing, etc., often at tax payer expense.

    IOW: I owe nothing to anyone, and have nothing to feel guilty about. My claim on the nation is also legitimate, which is something that illegals and the hordes or "legal" immigrants who were allowed in for votes or cheap labor, without the consent of actual Americans, can't claim.

    Blacks have lots of advantages at the moment,

    Yup, I see the every time I go to the inner city of a NE city.

    Truth-Victimology.
    Tomato-ToMAHto.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    North East city.

    AA probably benefit from the SES trickle-down and cultural osmosis of the urban North East, or Los Angeles or other urban centers.

    Whites, and particularly the pissed-off ones who feel as if the East Coast has all the finance and power and the West Coast is shoving lies down their throat through the media, live in remote areas in the interior far from the glories of money and politics.

    Blacks in the cities have no abstract values. They don't care about gays, or media distortion, or pornography, or any of the things that whites in the hinterland feel clash with their values. Blacks do not concern themselves with those things that do no affect them in the high-time preference. They don't have a paradigm of sorts that they feel has been undermined by the beltway/NYC or some alien group like Jews.

    Rural white poverty is once of isolation. Blacks live in rundown parts of the urban blight but it is still the city. Rural whites live in places that are isolated geographically. A trip to the local Wal-Mart is 5 miles down a dirt road or two-lane asphalt with potholes. The downtown is empty except for a tattoo parlor and a taxidermy store that opens in deer-hunting season.

    These whites, most of whom belong to the founding stock of the United States from the colonial era, feel that their country was wrested away by Jews and to a lesser degree other immigrants on the East and West Coast who ignore the values, religion, principles and all the rest of it that the US was (In the mind of these white rural and semi-rural proles) founded upon.

    No such abstractions bother blacks, who do not care if their values are mocked.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  133. @Truth

    Blacks have lots of advantages at the moment,
     
    Yup, I see the every time I go to the inner city of a NE city.

    Truth-Victimology.
    Tomato-ToMAHto.

    North East city.

    AA probably benefit from the SES trickle-down and cultural osmosis of the urban North East, or Los Angeles or other urban centers.

    Whites, and particularly the pissed-off ones who feel as if the East Coast has all the finance and power and the West Coast is shoving lies down their throat through the media, live in remote areas in the interior far from the glories of money and politics.

    Blacks in the cities have no abstract values. They don’t care about gays, or media distortion, or pornography, or any of the things that whites in the hinterland feel clash with their values. Blacks do not concern themselves with those things that do no affect them in the high-time preference. They don’t have a paradigm of sorts that they feel has been undermined by the beltway/NYC or some alien group like Jews.

    Rural white poverty is once of isolation. Blacks live in rundown parts of the urban blight but it is still the city. Rural whites live in places that are isolated geographically. A trip to the local Wal-Mart is 5 miles down a dirt road or two-lane asphalt with potholes. The downtown is empty except for a tattoo parlor and a taxidermy store that opens in deer-hunting season.

    These whites, most of whom belong to the founding stock of the United States from the colonial era, feel that their country was wrested away by Jews and to a lesser degree other immigrants on the East and West Coast who ignore the values, religion, principles and all the rest of it that the US was (In the mind of these white rural and semi-rural proles) founded upon.

    No such abstractions bother blacks, who do not care if their values are mocked.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  134. OMG! That’s right! I cannot believe that I’d forgotten about this! I learned about this from a somewhat unconventional history teacher I had in the 7th grade (I’m 50 -so many years ago) It certainly was not part of the curriculum, or was outside the scope but he taught us about it nonetheless. He did that a lot, no tests on certain information, now I understand WHY! MAYBE that’s why I didn’t remember, but I damned sure do now!
    I’m SOOO angry this has been taken from us. And I know it’s true, the records exist.

    OUT!! I want them all OUT! I wanted all invaders out before but I’m literally ready for war now.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  135. You created an account just to make that comment?

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  136. Mike Ross says:

    The White Man is the race of Abraham , Isaac , and Jacob . ( The True Hebrews : actual and factual , by evidence and proof . ) They are found in THE HOLY BIBLE . Because of wickedness and rebellion and revolution , GOD broke most of them off and away , from The Ancient Kingdom of The House of Israel . JEHOVAH did this , by allowing them to be conquered and taken as slaves , by pagans and heaven . Latter , THE LORD GOD opened several doors of their captivity , and let them escape , and made them move north & west , in many pushes and waves . These Lost Ten Tribes , forfeited their identity , by their unbelief & disobedience ; through the generations and centuries , of wars and raids and migrations and wanderings and explorations . These forgotten Clans , became The Gentile ( White ) European Nations , spreading across the wide globe earth . As a racial group , they are known as The Anglo / Saxons . And , although they do not know it , the providence of THE LORD JESUS CHRIST , has marked them with a special token-sign , pointing to their future minority recovery , and full reinstatement . Anglo / Saxon : ( Anglo = GOD’S Servant , Saint or Angel , GOD’S Son ) / ( The Son’s of Isaac , The Isaac’s Sons , The Sac’s Sons = The Saxons ) – ( The Son’s of Jacob , by being The Grandson’s of Isaac , are The Saxons . ) The day is approaching , when a remnant of The Son’s of Jacob ( The Grandson’s of Isaac = The Saxons ) will return , and be converted & gathered , by THE GIFT AND POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST . ( The reunion will be – The Grand Union of Jacob , presaged by The Union Jack Ensign ) . This Small Portion , being The Election , and belonging to JESUS MESSIAH , will be delivered by a mighty & miraculous – intervention & intercession , from the modern day bondage & captivity , of the anti-christ . It will be practically unforeseen and unexpected , by everyone else , who are not much interested . ( The event will only become widely know and mis-explained , in the aftermath . ) All of mankind , can become GOD’S Spiritually Adopted Sons or Daughters , those that are Born Again , those who love JESUS ; as then they are His Eligible and His Qualified and His Chosen , to receive this tremendous blessing , while on earth . It will be greater than The Exodus Out of Egypt , that was in the times of old , while under the leadership of Moses . This is the mortal ( while in the flesh ) and earthly escape , out of The Great Temptation and Tribulation ( trial & test ) , that is coming as GOD’S anger and judgement , upon the whole world . Let the loud – clear – pure ringing , of The True And Real Christian Liberty Bell , peal throughout all THE LORD’S SANCTUARIES . It is the beginning of GOD’S PARADISIACAL KINGDOM COME TO EARTH ; in His multifold and distinct , provided and guarded , companies and camps – trekking and transiting , to His refuges and retreats . Who will survive and who will demise ? Choose the only genuine and best hope , or decide for the hard way , of soul danger and torment . Watch and Pray . There is a sign to be given , for the moment of reckoning and decision , to catch the only once given , small window of opportunity . After being converted , search THE HOLY BIBLE and find the sign , to obey the command of THE SAVIOR AND REDEEMER – JESUS CHRIST . Do not be left behind , to weep in regret .

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  137. Precious says:
    @jacques sheete

    The difference between Communism and Capitalist is nearly self-evident.
     
    Just different forms of thievery. It gets really vile when capitalists fund commies such as Jacob Schiff, who helped fund the Bolshie revolution and Armand Hammer, the commie capitalist and scam artist fraud extraordinaire.

    There appears to be little or no essential dichotomy between capitalism and totalitarian communism in practice.

    Look at what was in bed with the most virulent forms of socialism. (Certain international bankers and corporatists funded both the commies under Lenin and Stalin, as well as the Nazis, believe it or not.)


    Cartoon by Robert Minor in St. Louis Post-Dispatch (1911). Karl Marx surrounded by an appreciative audience of Wall Street financiers: John D. Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan, John D. Ryan of National City Bank, and Morgan partner George W. Perkins. Immediately behind Karl Marx is Teddy Roosevelt, leader of the Progressive Party.

    https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.Y-ye_O81VJHWIB3Y4FqPFgHaNF%26pid%3D15.1&f=1


     

    Minor was a significant US red and was in a position to know...

    There is no proletarian, not even communist movement, that has not operated in the interests of money, in the directions indicated by money, and for the time permitted by money – and that it happens without the idealists amongst its leaders having the slightest suspicion of the fact.

    – Oswald Spengler The Decline of the West Vol. II, trans. C.F. Atkinson (1928)
     

    “One of the great myths of history is the supposed clash between socialism and capitalism.

    The philosopher-historian Oswald Spengler was one of the first in our era to point out that revolts in the name of ‘the people’ operate in the service of the moneyed class…”

    DR. K R BOLTON ‘In the Interests of Money’: America, Big Business & Revolution
     

    “As a matter of fact, the composition of the governments is predetermined, and their actions are controlled by great financial consortiums.”
    J. V. Stalin, Questions & Answers to American Trade Unionists: Stalin's Interview With the First American Trade Union Delegation to Soviet Russia
    Pravda September 15, 1927
     

    There appears to be little or no essential dichotomy between capitalism and totalitarian communism in practice.

    If that were true, you would have provided evidence of 90 million Americans murdered in the 20th century by American capitalists.

    But you can’t, so you are wrong.

    Look at what was in bed with the most virulent forms of socialism. (Certain international bankers and corporatists funded both the commies under Lenin and Stalin, as well as the Nazis, believe it or not.)

    This is why you are blinded. Capitalists taking the money they make under capitalism and supporting communism is only possible, not mandatory or inevitable.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
Current Commenter says:

Leave a Reply - Comments on articles more than two weeks old will be judged much more strictly on quality and tone


 Remember My InformationWhy?
 Email Replies to my Comment
Submitted comments become the property of The Unz Review and may be republished elsewhere at the sole discretion of the latter
Subscribe to This Comment Thread via RSS
PastClassics
The “war hero” candidate buried information about POWs left behind in Vietnam.
What Was John McCain's True Wartime Record in Vietnam?
Hundreds of POWs may have been left to die in Vietnam, abandoned by their government—and our media.
Are elite university admissions based on meritocracy and diversity as claimed?
The evidence is clear — but often ignored