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Recently, a friend shared with me the correspondence he had had with a former female classmate now an Episcopal priestess in New York, over what she called “white supremacy” and “toxic masculinity,” and asked what I thought. After reading the exchanges, my response was very simple: given the ideological assumptions real discussion of those issues with her was probably not possible, barring some Road to Damascus conversion.

Of course, the views of my friend’s acquaintance are widely held among Christians these days, and not just among more leftist Episcopal, Presbyterian, and Methodist clergy, and their respective congregrations. The Catholic Church, once the unbreachable bastion of theological and social traditionalism, has in large part, certainly since Vatican II (1965), succumbed to a leftward march—with some notable exceptions (e.g., Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the Society of St. Pius X, The Remnant newspaper, etc.). And even among Evangelicals who are thought to be conservatives not only in theology and cultural matters but in social polity, wide fissures have occurred.

I remember a news item from two years ago that brings all this into focus, that, in fact, is emblematic of what infects much of contemporary Christianity. Back on September 29, 2017, a few weeks after the Charlottesville incident, an article appeared in the press, announcing the formation of an organization of Evangelical Protestant leaders, “Unifying Leadership”. This group of Evangelicals had issued an “Open Letter” to President Donald Trump.

Spearheaded by prominent Southern Baptists, including Dr. Steve Gaines, President of the Southern Baptist Convention; Danny Akin, President of Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, North Carolina; and controversial Baptist Russell Moore, the group urged President Trump to condemn the so-called “Alt-Right” movement, racism, and “white nationalism.” Co-signed initially by thirty-nine leaders of American Evangelical Protestantism, an equal number had, by October 3 of that year, added their endorsements, as well. At least ten members of the Southeastern Theological faculty had co-signed, and various other Evangelical Protestants, including leaders of the largely-black National Baptist Convention, had also added their signatures.

In addition to addressing theological and moral questions, there is nothing unusual about religious leaders speaking out on specific social questions. Indeed, arguably, it is imperative that on social and political issues which in some way affect or touch religious practice and belief, there is a requirement to do so. Certainly, there is a long history of Christian leaders addressing questions of justice, morality, and equity in a social context, based both upon Scripture and the continuous historic teachings and traditions of the Church.

During the past four decades, to cite one horrific example, orthodox Christians have spoken forthrightly on the issue of abortion, but not just in its moral context of unjustly taking a human life, but to the fact that it is the polity—the state, or more specifically, the legal system, that perpetrates, protects and perpetuates the practice. Thus, the boundaries between church and state are often profoundly blurred, and necessarily so.

The dictum of John Henry Cardinal Newman rings true: “At the base of all political issues, there is a religious question.” Religious truth must undergird and inform any state that seeks to rightly mete out and administer justice to its citizens. From the Church Fathers forward, from St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas there is the understanding that human society is governed not just by the ordinances of Natural Law—nature’s arrangement, regulation and settlement of our physical environment, but also by Divine Positive Law, whether from the Decalogue, the immutable doctrines found in Holy Writ, or by successive teachings of the Fathers of the Church, the Ecumenical Councils, and the incorporation of those truths socially and, eventually, politically.

The absolutely necessary requirement for any pronouncement or declaration grounded in this understanding must always be that its basis and essence be contained within Holy Scripture and within the continuity of Sacred Tradition, taught immemorially from the time of the Apostles and codified subsequently in the orthodox confessions and professions of faith and in practice.

Misunderstandings in either theology or history have led even the most well-intentioned advocates astray, into error and the eventual undermining of the Christian gospel, itself. The history of the Christian church is filled—replete—with examples of those whose reasoning floundered on the shoals of faulty premises, a lack of comprehension, or, even, personal and overweening pride.

The “Open Letter” to the president appeared in its origin to be motivated by good intentions: a desire to “condemn” a “hatred” based specifically on ethnicity. Certainly a foundation for such condemnation is contained within historic Christian teaching. Yet, there are in the “Open Letter’s” text very significant problems—applications of faulty reasoning and demonstrably false premises—which vitiated and, ultimately, undermined the statement, and, more seriously, demonstrated its assumption of a rhetorical expression and ideological sentiment that owe more to historic Marxist theory than to historic Christianity.

First, let us examine the language employed. The immediate observation is that these Evangelical notables, in their condemnation of the “Alt-Right,” “white nationalism,” and “racism,” failed to provide clear and unmistakable definitions of what they were condemning. Were they saying, for instance, that having pride in one’s own race or in one’s ethnic heritage equals racism? Were they denying the historically incontrovertible, preponderant role of white Europeans in the creation and governing of the American nation? In quoting author Jared Taylor, “thatrace is a biological fact and that it is a significant aspect of individual and group identity and that any attempt to create a society in which race can be made not to matter will fail,” were they denying the historical existence of race and the debate that continues about whether there are significant inherited and distinguishable biological characteristics that differentiate the races in varying degrees?

None of this—none of these points—necessarily implies “racism,” that is, the belief that one particular race is superior or better than another race. None of this discussion necessarily implies or should imply “hatred” by someone of one race against those of another race. Differences, of whatever form, whether just skin deep or genetic, or social, or cultural, or historical, do not imply hatred, or even discriminatory sentiments.

What did the authors of this letter mean when they employed the term “Alt-Right?” From appearances they focused on what they term “the white identity movement”: “the KKK, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists.” But, then, they continue on and declare: “It concerned many of us when three people associated with the alt-right movement were given jobs in the White House.”

Obviously, the intended reference here included Steve Bannon (who has since left the White House). But there is a serious problem in this not-so-veiled attack, a serious failure on their part of the required Christian virtue of Charity, not to mention Prudence and basic rationality. The grave injustice, the ideological legerdemain they commit is, essentially, to assume that the tendentious and nebulous accusations and character assassination mounted by the Mainstream Media against Bannon (and others like him) are true, without the proper and due investigation that honorable men, in justice, must pursue.

They implied, thus, that Bannon is: a racist, a white supremacist, potentially an anti-semite, and that he “associates” with Klansmen and Nazis. And they did so without proof, without anything but the assertions of punditry and publicists who work, broadcast and write for a Mainstream Media that is demonstrably and unabashedly pushing a cultural Marxist narrative, and for whom anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders is, ipso facto, a “rightwing extremist, a “racist,” or a “white supremacist.” The rather cavalier use of such “devil terms,” thrown about with abandon by supposedly scrupulously moral Christian leaders, is both scandalous and repulsive. Not only does it weaken their arguments, it makes a mockery of their feigned Christian concerns.

The document is also fraught with problematic assertions historically. Midway through their excoriation of the “Alt-Right,” the authors wrote, somewhat gratuitously: “Alt-right ideology does not represent constitutional conservatism. The Constitution promotes the dignity and equality of all people.”

As a statement of history that is simply not true. The Constitution of the United States, as confected by the Framers, does not speak of “equality of all people.” Indeed, it enshrined inequality and left untouched the rights of the individual states to legislate amongst themselves on such questions as voting, religious tests, and slavery. That was the stated intention, the open wish, of the Framers, and had it not been so, there would not have been an American republic.

And, indeed, even the Declaration of Independence, with its much quoted (and misunderstood) words about “equality” is referring explicitly to a narrow and demanded “equality” between the former American colonists and their erstwhile English brethren represented in parliament, not an equality of opportunity or condition between individuals living in the new republic. A clear reading of the documentation—the correspondence, the broadsides, the speeches leading up to and during and after the Declaration’s issuance—abundantly illustrates that, as the late Mel Bradford (in his study, Original Intentions), Barry Alan Shain (in his exhaustive, The Declaration of Independence in Historical Context), and others have shown, the document is clearly not a proclamation of the “universal [equal] rights of man,” similar to the French Revolutionary proclamation. (A good summary of Bradford’s arguments may be found in his lengthy essay, “The Heresy of Equality,” published in Modern Age, Winter 1976, at ).

But there is another, perhaps even more grievous, problem inherent in the “Open Letter”: Its assertion that an egalitarianism of not just opportunity but of, implicitly, condition is consistent with historic Christian theology and teaching. An historical consideration and analysis of this statement of belief belies its truthfulness as traditional Christian teaching.

The most illustrative means of demonstrating this come from Holy Scripture, itself, as well as from the its interpreters throughout the history of the Christian church. Perhaps one of the best examples, following the gloss of several of the Fathers of the Church and the exegesis of historic figures such as St. Thomas Aquinas and others, can be found in St. Matthew’s Parable of the Talents (Mt. 25: 14-25) (also found in St. Luke 19:12-19). Three servants are entrusted by their Master with, respectively, five, two and one talent, and directed to invest them properly. On the Master’s return, he finds that the servant entrusted with five talents has doubled their value, as has the second with his two talents. But the third has done nothing with his one talent but bury it in the ground. To the first and second servant the Master declares: “Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.”

But to the servant entrusted with only one talent, he states:

Wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sow not and gather where I have not strewed. Thou oughtest therefore to have committed my money to the bankers; and at my coming I should have received my own with usury. Take ye away therefore the talent from him and give it him that hath ten talents. For to every one that hath shall be given, and he shall abound: but from him that hath not, that also which he seemeth to have shall be taken away. And the unprofitable servant cast ye out into the exterior darkness. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” [verses 26-30, Douay-Rheims Version]

We are not judged by God on what others do, we are not judged by what others have or make from their investments in life. We are judged by the satisfaction of our own potential, living up to our own very unique God-given model. That is our measure, not the social status or economic condition of our neighbor—or of Bill Gates or the Sultan of Brunei. I may have the “right” to vote when I turn eighteen, but not before; it is conferred on me by the Constitution of my state, not by God. The sixteen year old and the convicted ex-felon do not enjoy equal rights. And the Christian faith does not demand that they do.

The nature of humanity—the nature of things—is that inequality is the norm, inequality in wealth, inequality in the different aspects of our intelligence and abilities, inequality in the respective rights and very opportunities that may exist for us, and these are natural, part of the order ordained by God in Creation.

And, again, as the Parable indicates, it is not necessarily the man who is poor in talents who will gain the favor of the Master; indeed, it was the servant with five talents who fulfilled his mission and gained election. While the inequality of great wealth and superior position can well be an impediment—the difficulty of threading the eye of a needle—they aren’t necessarily exclusionary by any means.

The modern egalitarian idea does not come from traditional Christianity, nor from traditional Christian teaching. It is a proposition emitted from the fevered minds of 18th century Revolutionaries, taken over by more zealous advocates of 19th century Liberalism, and finally, utilized by 20th century Marxism as an attractive myth—a shibboleth and talismanic slogan to both subvert and convert Christians to a faith that is only a disfigured and fatal mirror image of its teachings

That it is employed by contemporary church leaders should not be that surprising, but that it be used by supposed conservatives and Evangelicals demonstrates just how far and just how deep the radical transformation and disintegration of traditional Christianity has progressed.

 
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  1. White nationalists want normal white people to flourish in our own countries based on observable, empirical principles. This situates white nationalism in the humanist tradition, but with an emphasis on white people’s interests because the utopian sort of humanism which advocates merging humanity into one huge ball of fungible mystery meat conflicts with man’s nature, and it causes unnecessary suffering to the individuals caught up in this social engineering.

  2. But they have no problem with Han People Supremacy in China…..and in California……and in the not too distant future Montanna and Idaho.

    So like…what does White Supremacy really mean? Answer:The Historic Native Born White American Majority resisting being voted into a White Racial Foreigner and White Racial Minority within the borders of America by Chinese “Americans”.

    My favorite kind of White Supremacy:THE 1888 CHINESE LEGAL IMMIGRANT EXCLUSION ACT!!!!

    • Replies: @Jason Liu
  3. How much inequality is the norm? As a general statement it is very congenial to very deeply entrenched corporate-oligarch interests. I’m sure the Coal Minning Company at Blair Mountain felt the same way as you.

  4. I’ve come to the conclusion that Christianity or the lack of it has little bearing on political correctness in regards to race matters. Anti-racism is no more or less prevalent in highly secular European countries as it is in relatively religious parts of the US. Similarly, in mainstream politics both right-wing atheists and Christians feel the need to denounce any form of race-based identity politics. Therefore there is no empirical evidence with which to blame or defend Christianity in this regard.

    To the extent that a revolt against left-wing anti-racism is occurring, it is in European countries which either have a history of being invaded by non-Europeans (such as Hungary, Poland, Russia and Austria) or are facing increasing violence and cultural hostility from Southern Caucasian Muslims (as in France and Belgium).

    Countries which have never been invaded by people of other races, and which have traditionally regarded non-whites as militarily weak people to be conquered and pacified (such as Holland, Britain, Australia, Canada and the United States) also tend to be the most PC on race matters.

    US race relations in regard to Hispanics would be a classic example. The US thrashed Mexico in military terms in the 19th Century and has now become extremely complacent about being demographically taken over by Latin Americans.

    • Replies: @Mr Darcy
    , @c matt
  5. Yes, Christianity is gutted and collapsing having utterly failed to secure its own progeny–Western culture. But the solution isn’t a return to traditional mores, as the author seems to be advocating. After all, it was traditional Christianity that proved unequal to the task in the first place.

    Rather, we need a religious revolution similar to the scientific revolution. Religious progress is as natural and rational as scientific progress, and we could use some. Just as the scientific revolution transformed our relationship with the physical world around us, a religious revolution will transform our relationship with God–modernizing our religious understanding of what God is.

    Science was revolutionized when Bacon identified its proper sphere as the physical world stripped of teleology and anthropomorphism. Similarly, a modern, powerful religion will need to identify its proper sphere.

    Science and religion are expressions of rationality in their proper spheres. Outside their spheres, they are expressions of irrationality. Or, to put that another way, to the extent religion seeks to express itself in the physical world (Praying for rain. Blaming hurricanes on God’s anger at homosexuals.) it will be irrational and to the extent science seeks to express itself in the religious world (treating humans as objects, Marxism) it will be irrational.

    Art is the third way in which humans express rationality. If science is the expression of our rationality in the physical world and religion is the expression of our rationality in the moral world (in how we treat each other), art is the expression of our rationality generalized over humanity.

    If an artist injects his individuality into the physical world and ends up saying something about the human condition that other humans recognize as true, he has made art. He has expressed his rationality in the human world.

    Politics is generalized truths. Therefore, politics belongs to the sphere of art. Neither science nor religion has anything to say about it. Just think of the damage done by the annual crop of “political science” majors our universities churn out. And think of the damage when priests weigh in on political affairs (amnesty for illegals) or when politicians weigh in on religious issues (George I-am-born-again-and-a-war-criminal Bush).

    Those evangelicals who wrote the open letter to the president are irreligious in the extreme and should be denounced as mortal enemies.

  6. F0337 says:

    “White Supremacy” — the name the Ruling Class applies to any white people who object to having a boot ground into their faces for all eternity.

  7. When do we whites begin to realise that we are supreme ?
    No culture ever gave the world in just some 400 years what we did, from the steam engine to jet passenger planes, great medical progress, internet, whatever.

  8. WHAT says:

    “Episcopal priestess”

    And why would anybody be surprised.

  9. Bliss says:

    Spearheaded by prominent Southern Baptists…………the group urged President Trump to condemn the so-called “Alt-Right” movement, racism, and “white nationalism.”

    Good news. I am sure Trump is sympathetic.

  10. Yup. Holding the same views that Martin Luther King allegedly held – that people should be judged on the content of their character and not on the color of their skin – is racist now.

    All of the 1960s and on “civil rights” organizations are about acquiring superiority and inflicting revenge.

  11. anarchyst says:

    The “beginning of the end” for the white majority in the United States occurred in 1957 when the federal government observed that it could use federal troops to illegally enforce an illegal desegregation court order (despite “posse commitatus” which prohibits the use of federal troops for domestic law enforcement purposes) without a “backlash” from those whites who were affected. You see, then, as is the case currently, white people respect “the rule of law” and were hesitant to go against federal troops, many of whom were their friends and neighbors.
    This “power grab” by the federal government made it easier “the next time”, when forcing unwanted and unneeded federal civil-rights (for some) actions against the wishes of white Americans.
    The civil-rights (for some) movement has evolved into the monstrosity that we live under today, with every affected group demanding its “piece of the pie”, while demanding that whites (especially white males) be excluded from these civil-rights (for some) “protections”.
    What started out as the prohibition of “racial discrimination” eventually expanded into court-demanded “bussing” across school-district lines, so-called “fair housing” and “public accommodation” laws (which are enforced only against white-heterosexual-owned businesses). Businesses owned by “people of color”, homosexuals and other “fringe groups” can discriminate against white heterosexuals with impunity, as the “public accommodation laws do not apply to them as they cannot be “racist”.
    Fast forward to more recent times, where federal forces (FBI, ATF, and military troops) were used (also in violation of posse comitatus) at Ruby Ridge and Waco, where innocent white Americans were murdered. To this day, the federal government has never been held accountable for their actions. In fact, many of the government murderers were awarded bonuses, raises, and job promotions for their criminal actions.
    The federal government has become the “900 lb. gorilla in the room” and, through its illegal and unconstitutional “alphabet agencies” wreaks havoc and destruction upon white American people to this day.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Mr Darcy
    , @KenH
  12. anarchyst says:

    Whites can and should take note of the protected classes and their abilities to commit to solidarity and supporting their own people’s best interests. White altruism must be internalized, just like every other racial group. There is no shame in looking out for our own interests first.

    Us whites are the only population who are expected to be color-blind and to put the interest of everyone else before our own. Everyone has the right to live and enjoy the fruits of their own labor, but they do not have the right to live parasitically off of our labor, nor do they have the right to kill us off, either through bleeding out or breeding out.

    I am PROUD to be considered “racist” and profusely thank my accusers while (attempting to) shake their hands. The incredulous, confused looks on their faces is priceless.

    Multiculturalism and diversity are code words for white genocide.
    As whites comprise approximately 6% of the world’s population, us whites should be the most protected and cherished of all races.

    All one has to do is honestly look at all of the positive things whites have accomplished, making the world a much better place.

    A number of years ago, a prominent university group took a poll among non-white students with the question: What would life be like without white people? After a considerable pause, one minority student spoke up: “We’d be screwed”.

    Enough said

    • Replies: @animalogic
  13. The US is not a Christian Nation. A Christian Nation would never allow the legalization of homo marriage. The Catholic Church said it was quite alright for homo youth to become Boy Scouts.

    The Homos lead the charge to exterminate Christian Russian….Christian Russia will not submit……

    The Catholic Pope is a filthy dirty homosexual swine….

    • Agree: Per/Norway
  14. Anon[350] • Disclaimer says:

    The only thing worst than science bores who try to divert attention from White Nationalism to discussions of IQ, HBD, etc. are religion bores who try to divert attention from White Nationalism to discussions of why their theology is “true.” Yeah, let’s wait for all the Christers to agree, then convert everyone else, THEN we’ll figure out the future of the White race, that’ll work.

  15. The author’s view of Catholic social teaching is somewhat off base and reflects the rather odd American view of the Church as the “Curmudgeon Church”. Modern Catholic social teaching goes back to Reum Novarum in 1889. I’m not aware that Vatican II changed anything. Vatican II is most associated with the vernacular Mass and Archbishop Lefebvre’s objection was essentially to that. He also believed firmly in the authority of the Pope and would, no doubt, be scandalised by the open attacks on Pope Francis and the attempts by certain American lay people to “play Pope” by presuming to dictate to him what is and what is not the teaching of the Church. As for equality, it is the basis of all Catholic morality: each and every individual human being is equal in the sight of God. That equality is, ultimately, the basis for the condemnation of abortion and the Church does not teach that human rights begin at conception and end at birth, so to speak! Thus, the idea of the “inherent” superiority or inferiority of any particular group of human beings is flatly contrary to Catholic morality. Also, the Church has always condemned both Marxism and capitalism in equal terms and for the same reason: they are both based on an atheistic interpretation of human existence. Thus, an attempt to present the Catholic Church as in some way “Marxist” is an anti-Catholic smear but neither can the Church be hijacked on behalf of American political conservatism.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  16. Cleburne says:

    The Orthodox Church — particularly the Russians, arch-traditionalists that they are — remains steadfast and will never submit to modernity. I can’t speak to the Romanists, but mainline Protestantism and the Southern Baptists are in a state of theological collapse. The wretched Russell Moore is a one-man Vatican II.

    • Replies: @Random Smartaleck
  17. The destruction of Christianity is the result of the Zionist control of the U.S. government and the MSM and the Zionist hatred of Christians and thus the continual attack of Christians and Christianity.

    The PROTOCOLS OF ZION lay out the game plan for the Zionist NWO and their hatred of Christians and what they have done and are doing to destroy Christians and western civilization.

    The Zionist proved what they are capable of on 911 when they attacked the WTC and killed some 3000 Americans and they got away with it and every thinking America knows that Zionist Israel and the Zionist controlled deep state did it to provide the excuse to attack the middle east for their Zionist NWO.

    • Replies: @anon
  18. @anarchyst

    I agree totally with your assertion that white people have contributed many, many positive things to the world.
    But, please, let’s be even handed here, we have also contributed a hell of a lot of negative too – just like non-whites have.
    The one thing that humans are equal in is their capacity for “evil”.
    Perhaps it is the case that white positive contributions help out- weigh the negative, compared to non-whites ? Such an argument could be made. The author of such an argument would need very thick skin, indeed.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @jilles dykstra
  19. anarchyst says:
    @Michael Kenny

    I must respectfully disagree with your assertion that the Catholic Church changes were minor, wrought by Vatican II and were limited to using vernacular language in the celebration of the Mass.
    Having experienced pre-Vatican II Catholicism, I observed the profound changes made, that were a result of input (and coercion) by Jewish and Protestant interests whose aims were to make the Church more amenable to Jewish and Protestant interests.
    Much Catholic ritual and doctrine was discarded or changed, in order to reflect the “age” that we live in, as well, one major change being the promotion of the absolution of the Jews for Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and death, despite vitriolic Jewish hatred of Jesus Christ and Christianity which exists to this day. The fact is, the Jews DID get the Romans to crucify Jesus Christ and DID accept full responsibility for the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. As is the case today, they got others (Pontius Pilate) to do their “dirty work” for them…
    The Catholic Church HAS been hijacked by conservatives, especially when it comes to Israel, calling Jews “our elder brothers” and deferring and excusing their criminal behavior against the indigenous Palestinians of the region.
    Abandoning the use of Latin in the Mass destroyed its universality. Previous to Vatican II, one could attend Mass anywhere in the Roman Catholic world and understand the meaning of the Mass.
    Prohibition of the celebration of the Tridentine Mass (except by special ecclesiastical permission) pushed many Catholics away from the new Modern Mass and the New Church, in general. It took a brave Archbishop Lefebvre and the Society of St. Pius X to “push back” against Vatican II and re-legitimize the celebration of the pre-Vatican II Tridentine Mass and other Catholic rites.
    In pre-Vatican II times, the priest (celebrant of the Mass) was considered to be a part of the congregation, and a representative of the people.
    By turning the priest around to face the congregation, the priest was no longer a representative of the people, but an actor, diminishing his status and importance.
    One area where the Catholic Church could improve itself involves celibacy, which is NOT Church dogma or doctrine. Celibacy was put in place during the middle ages in order to keep Church property from being inherited by family and relatives of priests and bishops. Celibacy was based on purely financial considerations–nothing more. It is interesting to note that Episcopal (Anglican) priests who convert to Catholicism can bring their families with them to the Church while Roman Catholic priests are denied marriage.
    The latest Pope’s proclamation pushing “tolerance” towards homosexuality is troubling, to say the least.
    It was a grave mistake by the Church to de-legitimize pre-Vatican II principles.
    Fortunately, there are Catholic organizations that subscribe to pre-Vatican II principles, one being the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).
    The changes that Vatican II were much more profound, and DID push the Church leftward toward Marxism and away from its true mission.
    Regards,

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  20. Z-man says:

    American Nationalist, that’s a better term.
    The RCC has to lead the way, the SSPX with good Bishops like Richard Williamson taking the lead and remove these ‘shit kib’ anti Popes like Frankie.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  21. Thank you. It’s good to know that some Christians still have their wits about them.

    English Christianity has collapsed to the point where the current Archbishop of Canterbury announced in 2013 that he would not want to live in a ‘monocultural’—that’s to say, a Christian—society; he prefers the diversity which will eventually result in Christianity being replaced as the majority religion by Islam.

    His bishops are every bit as crazy: ‘Christians should learn from Muslims how to exist as a “minority” culture in British cities that are increasingly dominated by immigrant communities, a Church of England bishop has said. The Rt Rev Nick Baines, the Bishop of Bradford, said some parishes in his diocese were 95% Muslim but that this should not be seen as “a problem”.’

    The Bradford diocese has since been abolished.

  22. @Craig Nelsen

    Art is the third way in which humans express rationality. If science is the expression of our rationality in the physical world and religion is the expression of our rationality in the moral world (in how we treat each other)

    Religion is the worship and service of God, period. It has nothing to do with “how we treat each other” except in a secondary and derivative sense. How we treat a person depends entirely on how the pure worship and service of God, in spirit and in truth, would require us to treat him under the given circumstances. That is why the same God who outlaws the destruction of the innocent in abortion also commanded the destruction of Jericho and every living thing in it, without contradiction.

    Moralists and modernizers never really understand this.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  23. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    Absolutely right about Brown vs Topeka and it’s effects. In that decision the federal government declared war on Whites. Even the FBI is anti White.

  24. anarchyst says:
    @animalogic

    Thank you for your concise comments. You bring up a good point about “the capacity for evil” being a part of the human condition.
    Where I part company is the blame that other races put almost exclusively on whites. THAT is a problem, as whites have done MORE to improve the human condition than any other race…PERIOD.
    Us whites have introduced the capacity to eliminate starvation (not hunger, but outright starvation) on a planetary scale. It s the other races that are in the way. One only has to look at the murders of South African farmers and the wholesale abandonment and destruction of white-owned farms that WILL result in South Africa’s descent into barbarism and true starvation.
    A long time ago, Catholic Bishop Fulton J. Sheen made a profound statement: It is easier for an educated (high-IQ) person to rationalize evil”.
    All one has to do is look at the George Soros types in the world, the Bill Gates types and even the rabid environmentalists who want to “depopulation the world” by approximately 90% to make the world safe for “wildlife” and themselves, of course–wholesale extermination of humans “by any means necessary” is a part of their equation. Let’s not forget the destruction of humankind by abortion, with the “educated” defining fetuses as “a clump of cells” even to the ninth month.
    It is us whites who stand with and support “the thin veneer of civilization” that can easily face destruction from the other races…and their misguided perceptions.
    Regards,

  25. @animalogic

    What positive things did the non white people contribute in the last 400 years ?

  26. @Craig Nelsen

    Why should we assume that gods exist ?
    I was raised non religious, those going to church in our village, that did not even have a church, cycling in their Sunday best clothes to the next village, were something of an aberration.
    I’m at the end of my life, do I feel any necessity for a god ?
    Not at all, the light goes out, and never again it goes on.
    My wife and children will miss me, I feel sorry to leave them, and what I deplore is that I lifetime of knowledge disappears.
    That’s all.

    • Agree: RVBlake
  27. @anarchyst

    In my opinion the catholic church blocked all progress for some 1600 years, by seeing the body as evil spread diseases, and even now is a disaster, a pope not allowing birth planning, and seeing abortion as murder.
    All this in an already overpopulated world, with many hungry.
    A criminal organisation, in my opinion.
    Not that other religions are much better.
    I understood how religion exploits people when I visited the Temple of the Tooth in Kandy, Sri Lanka.
    We western tourists were allowed literally to wade through the worshippers, with camera’s and flashlights, worshippers with their heads on the floor, towards the bullet proof show case with the seven silver dishes.
    There greedy monks wanted money, I did not give enough, was looked at very angry.
    Even at the time, a disgusting experience.
    But it opened my eyes on religion.
    Tibet no longer existing is seen as a great crime, I cannot feel much admiration for the way the Chinese did it.
    But what was Tibet ?
    A population sucked into poverty by lazy monks.
    Christian Europe was the same.
    Wilhelm Zimmermann, ‘Der grosse deutsche Bauernkrieg’, 1856, 1982, Berlin
    A book about the, 1524 from memory, German peasant insurrection, against aristocracy and the monasteries.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @DanFromCT
  28. anonymous[121] • Disclaimer says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    Similarly, a modern, powerful religion will need to identify its proper sphere.

    A pagan faith like Christianity, which was codified centuries after Christ, fits well with your innovative idea. You should become a “prophet,” of this “modern, powerful religion.” There is much money to be made.

  29. Mr Darcy says:
    @unpc downunder

    Interesting and beautifully written comment, but you do not understand the situation, and I suppose I really ought not to have replied at all, since I am very short of time–really under the gun at the moment–and can’t take the time to go into the whole thing sufficiently to show you how you are mistaken. But suffice it to say that what happened over a long period of time was that Christian ethics came to be substituted for Christian doctrine, with the results that we see everywhere today–a phenomenon that I call “Christianity without the inconvenience of God.” This book explains it in exhaustive (and often tedious) detail:

    https://www.amazon.com/Unintended-Reformation-Religious-Revolution-Secularized/dp/0674088050

    All the best to you.

  30. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @DESERT FOX

    Ideological assumptions vs. Oligarch Supremacy. Endorsements by Church leadership “white supremacy”, “toxic masculinity,” “Alt-Right”, racism, vs “white nationalism.” are social contrivances imposed on the masses by the Oligarch Supremacy that controls the state. Religions do not have to deal with these questions until the state imposes them on society.

    Religious truths nearly always support the state (Newman); though it may take centuries to work out the logic to make this happen.

    St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas ..the governance of humans in a society is bifurcated: Bottom up its Natural Devine Laws which enforce inner self vision of human rights and right from wrong bounded morality, while the Oligarchs use the State to infringe human rights in order to produce a a better society for the Oligarch.

    God side vs State State I identify two sides: God side vs State state as the source of man’s stress; it is stress that molds the masses.

    Ethnic and racial issues are results of oligarch intentions imposed on the masses by actions of the state

    Divide and Conquer The church is supporting the state, that is why it has intentionally set up the
    white supremacist, anti-semite, Klansmen, Nazis, and whatever labels. Labels are
    handles that allow Oligarchs to apply push pull forces to the masses, in divide to
    conquer fashion (a function necessary to maintain superiority). These labels facilitate
    privately Oligarch owned media to impose Oligarch propaganda power on state function
    and to weaken the power of the masses by dividing the masses on every issue that
    comes to mind.

    Evidence vs Belief. the source of all behavioral stress.

    Make due with Inequality vs correct inequality by redistribution. The church teaches each man has a
    few talents and must make due with those talents; but the great invention of state, makes it
    possible to distribute equally among mankind, the sum total of the products of the individual
    talents.

    Modern Equalitarian ideas .. came f/e Magna Carta, the English Bill of Rights (1689), the American
    Declaration of Independence (1776), the French Declaration of the Rights of Man and the
    Citizen (1789) made well known by the writings of John Locke, incorporated into the
    Declaration of Independence and U.S. Bill of Rights (1791). The Glorious revolution, (1687-
    88) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution and John Locke’s writings about it,
    from which he derived the rights of man. Also a strong basis for popular support of the
    French Revolution. but it did not come from Marxism.

    just to set a few things straight in the premises.

  31. nickels says:

    It is important to remember that the religion of the AntiChrist will not be something wildly different, but, rather, it will be (and is) a perversion of Christianity, a weakening of its central tenants, a sickening of it by raw sentimentality and concerns of this world like social justice.
    Were this apostasy to be something wildly different, the masses would see it for the evil that it is, but in its sappy, weakened form, it seems like Christianity, and it captures many more souls. It also drives many away from the true faith, which gives this deception a dual purpose.
    Do not be deceived.
    The wiles of the evil one are never to be underestimated.

    • Replies: @Per/Norway
  32. Mr Darcy says:

    Christianity has not collapsed, for such a thing is impossible. But CINOs (Christians in name only) have certainly become dominant, and it is they who have the loudest mouths and whom “the press” choose to publicize (for obvious reasons). These people call themselves “Christian” but are nothing of the kind. And Christ was point-blank in warning that this exact thing would happen, so this should be no surprise. Probably God is simply threshing the wheat–separating the cheat from the chaff (“which the wind driveth away”). Liars and charlatans have taken over the institutional machinery of many church bodies, but they are liars and charlatans, and they must ultimately fail of their corrosive malice. “Pride goeth before destruction and vanity before the fall,” you know, and these ridiculous people are nothing if not proud of themselves for their “moral superiority.” That’s why they yammer about “morality” and “ethics” rather than preaching and teaching real Christianity. It is why they pursue the “kingdom [that] is not of this world” through politics. Liars and charlatans.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  33. Mr Darcy says:
    @anarchyst

    “The “beginning of the end” for the white majority in the United States occurred in 1957 when the federal government observed that it could use federal troops to illegally enforce an illegal desegregation court order (despite “posse commitatus” which prohibits the use of federal troops for domestic law enforcement purposes) without a “backlash” from those whites who were affected. You see, then, as is the case currently, white people respect “the rule of law” and were hesitant to go against federal troops, many of whom were their friends and neighbors.”

    Close, but not exact. I remember that incident (in Little Rock). And much more besides. And I remember it as a Southerner bred and born. Believe you me, there was great sentiment for armed resistance, but Southerners knew all too well that the Yankee Empire would stop at nothing to subject them (us) to their tyranny, since they had done it to our relatively recent ancestors, pursuing total war against civilian populations, using a brutal scorched earth policy. So people simply withdrew their children from the state’s schools and formed academies along the old colonial and ante-bellum lines. And voted for Goldwater in 1964. And abandoned the Democratic PArty in 1948 for the Dixiecrat PArty, etc. Out of time., Sorry

  34. @Craig Nelsen

    Are you the same Craig Nelson from the Project USA-Billboard Campaign?

  35. LarryS says:
    @jilles dykstra

    I hope that God exists and that the good news of the resurrection of Christ is true.

    Did you live as a true atheist or did you believe in intangible things like morality, truth, justice, love, beauty and free will?

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  36. @jilles dykstra

    If “positive” refers to technology & institutions then it’s clear that people of European descent have contributed on a massive scale compared to other races. There are endless theories to account for this outcome.
    However, “one sip does not make a summer”. All these positives still play out: questions can & should be asked about “progress”.
    To take one example: nuclear power/weapons.
    It is now fairly apparent that during Cold War I the world escaped nuclear devastation by the “skin of our teeth”. There were many accidents & mistakes which could have had horrific consequences. (One instance: Cuban crisis – Russian sub – being depth charged by the US -Russian commanders assumed (communications were out) war had been declared. Procedure dictated the nuclear weapons be launched – however that required the agreement of all three commanders: two were for launching, one against.)
    Then there is Chernobyl & Fukushima….
    The doomsday clock today is at two minutes to 12, the worst it was during Cold War I.
    Questions about “positive contributions” are not as clear cut as they seem.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @Anon
  37. Z-man says:
    @Mr Darcy

    Good post Mr. Darcy, say hello to lovely ‘Lizzy’. (Grin)

    • Replies: @Mr Darcy
  38. Amen says:

    Very good article. I agree that the problem with the Christian church today is that they’ve gone from focusing on the individual to focusing on society at large, and thus getting swept up in many sociopolitical issues. In their misguided effort to bring people(mostly liberals and msm) back to the church, they’ve either given up or distorted traditional Protestant values to align with whatever is currently fashionable, which is liberalism/progressivism.

    I recently met a young woman who is graduating from high school who is planning to go to college to major in theology and join the church. I was quite surprised by the unusual career choice and asked her why she chose this path. She talked endlessly about how much she enjoyed public speaking and wanted to apply her talent and interest to giving sermons. That was all. Nothing to do with love of God and wanting to spread His message. It was all about her.

    I have always felt that the best sermons are given by those who have had lots of life experiences, and thus able to truly understand the bible and interpret its timeless wisdom to the masses by applying it to our modern life situations. What kind of life experience has an 18 or 22 year old had that will enable her to impart such wisdom to her (much older) congregation? I could be wrong but I think she’s the kind of new clergies who are contributing to the leftward lurch of the church. They preach from emptiness. Going into the church is all about them, not about God.

    Some time last summer I drove by a busy junction in town and was greeted by a bunch of people holding signs that said ‘honk if you support Muslims’, ‘honk if you support undocumented migrants’, and a sign that says they are members of a local Protestant church. Sponsoring Muslim “refugees” have become a lucrative business for the Protestant and Catholic churches. They get $10,000 per refugee from the federal government(thanks to Paul Ryan) to help “settle” them into America. The Catholic church has also become the #1 shelter of illegal immigrants. Even the Mormon church is now going out of their way to embrace multiculturalism, actively recruiting Asian and Hispanic members and supporting open borders. It’s all a business to them. It’s why I stopped going to church.

    I read and really enjoyed Rod Dreher’s Benedict Option. I think it’s time for Christians to go the Benedict Option and interpret the bible for ourselves. Our churches have (once again) failed us.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @unpc downunder
  39. @Intelligent Dasein

    Still seems like a contradiction to me. Not a contradiction if you acknowledge the evolution of God. The God of Genesis, who is walking around Gardens talking to snakes and turning women into salt is not the same God at the end of the Old Testament who desires mercy not vengeance is not the same God as the New Testament’s For God so loved the world…

    No reason God should stop evolving. And, yes, it does have everything to do with our relationships with each other.

    • Replies: @Anon
  40. RVBlake says:
    @jilles dykstra

    You mean you don’t want to spend an eternity rubbing elbows with the angels and saints singing hosannas and hallejujahs? An eternity?

  41. @jilles dykstra

    Nothing you wrote contradicts anything I wrote. I said nothing about an afterlife.

  42. Che Guava says:

    Thank you for this article.

    It is hard to comprehend how quickly many Protestant denominations have become total nonsense. As I was saying in a comment on another thread, at least the Korean Lutherans are still Lutheran.

    Luther would be rotating in his grave at the vile stupidity of ‘Lutheran’ churches in Nth. America and Europe of now.

    I used to live near the SSPX centre in Tokyo, but it is only for priestly formation and bureaucracy. Must be a chapel in there, but not public.

    They are rarely to celebrate the Missa anywhere here.

    There was a recent announcent by the SSPX superior in the U.S.A., forget his name, but worth reading for those with an interest.

    To me, too much emphasis on Maryolatory, but stIIl worth reading.

    The Roman church, since the mid-nineteenth century, may as well replace the doctrine of the trinity with the quadravinity (God, the Son, the Holy Spirit, and the Queen of Heaven, Mary).

    My comment is too long, I know, but Poop Bergoglio and his clerical pervert backers are a disaster.

    • Replies: @Mr Darcy
    , @Anon
  43. anarchyst says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Your hatred of the Catholic Church is noted…as well a your stance on “overpopulation”…
    That being said, it was the Catholic Church that established universities, hospitals and other facilities to help the poor, far ahead of its time.
    I agree that there is a certain amount of “money-grubbing” going on with organized religion, which IS a business of sorts, they do have to “pay the bills”, but let’s not forget jewish synagogues. Despite your description of “money-grubbing” by religions, lets note that in order to attend a jewish synagogue service, you MUST be a MEMBER to be gained admittance. It’s no different from paying to see a movie or sporting event. “No tickee-no entry”…Of course, some synagogues make a limited exception during the “high holy days”, but such instances are far and few.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  44. @anonymous

    “You should become a “prophet,” of this “modern, powerful religion.” There is much money to be made.”

    Hmmmm…. how to monetize civilization-saving.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  45. Seraphim says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Is not that easy. There is the ‘outer darkness, where there is “weeping and gnashing of teeth”, that awaits those who refuse to go prepared properly to the Wedding of the King’s Son.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  46. anonymous[121] • Disclaimer says:

    I see that many of the proud-racists here also appear to be proud-Christians too.

    Given the entrenched perfidiousness in this inherently racist faith (white “god” and all), that which is essentially pagan polytheism trying its damnedest to pass off as monotheism, and failing spectacularly too, the union seems quite appropriate (never mind all the idiot “third-worlders” who have lost their souls to its deceit).

    Thus, you deserve each other, and both are destined to fall together, albeit in different ways.

  47. @Seraphim

    Well, I’ll see, or not

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  48. Agent76 says:

    Mar 19, 2013 Pope Francis and the Dirty War – Michel Chossudovsky

    Professor Michel Chossudovsky of the Centre for Research on Globalization are pointing out, Bergoglio’s past points to his likely involvement in crimes against humanity.

    Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus

    In the scriptures Jesus received the most opposition from the most religious people of his day.

  49. @anarchyst

    Why must there always be hatred in the minds of certain people when one criticises ?
    ” That being said, it was the Catholic Church that established universities, hospitals and other facilities to help the poor, far ahead of its time. ”
    Chritianity indeed preached love thy neighbour.
    How papal temporal rule ended was quite another matter, even the suspicion of reading a liberal newspaper was enough to be thrown in a very unhealthy dungeon.
    About universities, the first European one was in Prague, not established by the churh, as far as I know

    • Replies: @Anon
  50. Respect says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Faith is a mistery , a God`s given grace .

    Anyway I have seen individuals who say that they do not believe in God and are good people , and individuals who say they believe in God and are bad people . God will know .

    I believe in God , Creator omnes et omnia

  51. @LarryS

    There of course is no such thing as free will.
    What I believe in, weird questions.
    How can I believe in truth ?
    Something is true or not.
    As to my now long life, there is very little that I hindsight deplore I did.

  52. @animalogic

    Weird story.
    White man discovered nuclear fission, and nuclear fusion.
    The use made of this is quite another thing, at the time dynamite was great progress.

  53. Them Guys says:

    OT Test message…..Just wanted to see if my poster name etc still works okay. I had to send my laptop back to Hp for a hinge repair. Just got it returned and need verify if screen name prior used still works okay?….Plus I just tried to do an agree button on another reply here, and got a message says you must do 30+ replies before it works….I have well over 600+ replies so am wondering why that failed to work for me?….Okay will now submit this reply to test unz systems and my laptop out.

  54. @anonymous

    What was wrong with pagan faiths ?
    They were tolerant

    • Replies: @Anon
  55. @War for Blair Mountain

    Your Billboard campaign was very important…..courageous….and inspirational……and inspired this:THE HISTORIC NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN WORKING CLASS MAJORITY…..My in-your-face-racial-blood-and-guts-Internet Billboard campaign…

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  56. windwaves says:

    aren’t the US evangelicans a bunch of israel firsters ? just asking, I am just discovering about this potent congregation and trying to learn more

    • Replies: @Anon
  57. @jilles dykstra

    Blacks: Jazz, but YMMV. Thrilling broken-field runs. And some wonderful operatic voices.
    Asians: fuhgeddaboutit. Flat screen TVs, reliable cars, computers, cell phones … you name it.
    Mexicans: According to Rob Tibbetts, his daughter’s murder was worth it for the tacos.
    I’m still searching for our Eskimo contributors…

  58. @Craig Nelsen

    Craig

    RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY!!!!!!

  59. @anonymous

    Given the entrenched perfidiousness in this inherently racist faith

    You make me feel dirty. I’m a dirty, dirty girl. Spank me.

  60. It was announced yesterday that homosexual degenerate Mathew Shephard is the Patron Saint of the US Epischopal Church…..The Epischopal Church now worships the filthy diseased bloody torn rectum of a creepy homosexual…….

    In the National Cathedral in Washington DC Epischopal Men can now exchange their wedding bowels……

  61. Ahoy says:

    When society gets to this level, the Country faces an uphill fight to recover, let alone become GREAT AGAIN.

    Somebody has pulled the cornerstones from the edifice of civilization and now is laying out in piles of rubble. The cornerstones are lying out there, find them and start building again.

  62. The missing element is Canon Law. And it isn’t that Canon Law is missing, it’s that it isn’t practiced or enforced or embraced as a function of church life and participation.

    The role Canon Law has in a secular state is understood by Muslims, who have Sharia, and Jews, who have Halacha. Both religions are capable of taking root in non-Muslim, non-Jewish societies, and retaining their cohesiveness, because they have the competence, means and most importantly: institutional architecture, to seamlessly apply their own versions of Canon Law within the context of a pluralist secular society. This creates multiple modes of governance, but nothing is wrong with that – that’s normal even – it’s the same as federal and state law operating side-by-side. Generally you will find – and this is no accident – that the principle concerns of Sharia and Halacha, are family law. How we form and keep our families, how we raise our children, begets the next generation and the next generation is, one-in-the-same, is, destiny.

    Protestantism is woefully unprepared here. It stands to be washed away but for fecundity and conversion. LDS is another matter, they seem to self-govern, and prosper for it.

    The Catholic Church had the means to be outstandingly successful in a secular, pluralist society where there was so little competition for marriage and family structure either from the state or from other religious institutions. If the Catholic Church had been inwardly focused, enforcing Canon Law, elevating it, integrating it as a basis of day-to-day practice and an expectation of Catholic marriage, rather than outwardly focused – fighting a fools errand to influence a secular world that doesn’t care a wit for it, then as the secular world collapsed people might today be looking with yearning at all the church would have to offer: stable, prosperous families, no circumcision, no weird beliefs about Jesus in the Americas.

    The ingredients are present in the Catholic Church both for revival and for the next collapse. SSPX can triple down on itself, on its own communities, and the place of Canon Law in the life of those communities, and leave “the world” to itself. In a generation or two there might be wonders. On the other hand, the top-down nature of the church always sets the stage for the next scandal and downfall.

    Failing that or apart from it: all others are wise to reckon with the model – Canon Law that governs family structure in a religious body. Muslims do it, Jews do it, Catholics did it, … to the thousands-years thriving of their communities. It’s a new game but it may be a game others should get in on, otherwise all your eggs are in the state basket.

    • Replies: @Rich
  63. Anon[189] • Disclaimer says:

    Inclusive of articles from authors like Ron Unz and Steve Sailer, this article represents a rare exception in that it is a truly worthy contribution the ongoing political discussion.

    This article rebuts the baseless assertions and statements of the opposition and successfully cuts to the core of the issues at hand, one at a time.

    This is the framework that all articles on this site and any serious site should model, whichever side of the political debate that they take.

    In contrast, articles like the one below should be eschewed for a lack of rhetorical structure and a reliance on assertions that do not accurately or deeply model what is actually happening:

    http://www.unz.com/article/who-doesnt-love-identity-politics/

    If anyone’s rebuttals are to be taken seriously, they need to exactly state what the opposition is stating and what their beliefs are. As Cathey does here through direct quotes from their formal letters.

    Last, its clear to the communist voting base, and to the Right that the instigation against so called “White Supremacy” is merely one against the current (fading) dominance of White demographics in a democracy wherein such demographics translate to political power. In other words, its a war against White existence.

    Its not clear that the milquetoast, and likely naive, leaders of of White Left (as represented by these protestant leaders) grasp that fact. They seem to be caught up in the immature wealthy White tendency to believe that cooperation works across racial groups without the minority group eventually seeking to eradicate the majority and politically generous group.

    There seems to be an evolutionary point when the civilized brain becomes pathologically unable to assure its own survival.

    Its either that, or we are witnessing a grand case of Stockholm syndrome wherein these leaders are essentially giving up like the ghost to their oppressors like hyper-stressed drowning animals.

    • Replies: @Mr Darcy
  64. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @jilles dykstra

    What was wrong with pagan faiths ?
    They were tolerant

    Human Sacrifice.

    • Replies: @Anon
  65. Anon[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @windwaves

    Because there is no central authority for divergent protestant groups, opinions of and approaches to Israel vary widely. Its largely not only denomination specific, but can be congregation specific.

    Its probably more fruitful to try to categorize approaches to Israel by region, for Christian groups, rather than by denomination. But even that won’t lead to a neat and tidy view.

    • Replies: @windwaves
  66. Them Guys says:

    OT Can anybody here Help me out? I changed my Them Guys screen name to an Anon name with fake email address, prior to sending my Laptop back into HP repairs for a broken hinge problem. I changed my them guys screen name to an anon name so nobody at HP repairs could possibly post a reply at UNZ forums, or try to read all of my replies posted under them guys name. Not sure if they try doing that? but better safe than sorry eh…..Okay so this is my current reply posting problem I need help to fix…

    I replaced that anon name and email address Back to the orig Them Guys name with orig email address I used with it…I also checked the box to “Update my Information” next to screen name in reply box.

    Yet even when I posted a reply after I changed name Back to them guys, once the reply posted up, and I checked screen name again in reply box…It went back to the phony Anon name again! Also the email adress went back to phony anaon email used,,,,So…WTF am I doig wrong, if anything?

    HOW can I get te reply box UNZ systems to retain my Them Guys screen name and proper email address that goes with them guys name?…Thanks in advance if anybody here can assist me…I even tried to type in my Them Guys name and address again, checked “Update my Info” box and rebooted my Laptop….Yet again the screen name went back to the Anon name!!!

    Very frustrating to say the least…..Thanks again to anyone who has an answer/help…Them Guys.

    PS Incase I wrote it too confusing? My Goal for a screen name Fix is for the unz reply box to Keep my proper Them Guys name and email address, so I do not need re-type it in every time I return to unz forums and want to add a new reply etc. And for the temporary Anon name to NOT keep returning.

    • Agree: Them Guys
  67. Anon[231] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Chritianity indeed preached love thy neighbour.

    You are bible illiterate.

    What’s worse, is that you insult the biblical faiths by attempting to reference their holy book that you didn’t take the time to understand. In this country, we call that cultural appropriation.

    “Love thy neighbor” was originally a Jewish edict, from the OT, which commanded that Jews love (only) other Jews.

    In Christianity, it takes the same definition. Christ clearly taught that Christians were only to “love” Christian believers. See the parable of the Canaanite woman.

    Liberals should be thrown in unhealthy dungeons. Otherwise, they arrive at mass murder and violent, illegal revolutions against the government. This is historically clear.

    In their modern form, liberals agitate, directly or indirectly, for genocide against the people that make civilization possible the world over. This frames them as evil incarnate: people who wish for the world to return to various degrees of barbarism.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @jilles dykstra
  68. windwaves says:
    @Anon

    thanks.

    I understand that VP Pence is the man who contributed hugely to Trump’s election as he brought the support of “the evangelicals” but demanded in return full US slavery to israel. Trump is obviously abiding.

  69. nickels says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    Science and religion are expressions of rationality in their proper spheres. Outside their spheres, they are expressions of irrationality

    This comment, in general, is just a rehash of the same old Whig nonsense the west has been trope’ing foolishly and sophisticly for 500 years.

    In fact, without teleology and God, there simply is no such thing as rationality.
    The materialist dogma asserts that all are molecules, which means your thoughts are nothing but chemical reactions, and that your consciousness and its assessment about the rationality of said thoughts are mere chemical reactions, which means assumptions of rationality and arguments that pertain to proving such ends are mere chemical tautologies which have nothing to do with sound analysis or reason.

    All knowledge begins with God, a moral foundation, and the acceptance that we are made in the image of God, as beings who participate in the eternal and divine λόγος.
    There is simply no other philosophical paradigm that works without reducing to solipsism.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  70. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @animalogic

    You are referencing a Jewish creation created for a Jewish-communist war. In referencing the nuclear bomb, you are not referencing a White creation.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  71. Seraphim says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Well, you make the bed you lie in, don’t you?

  72. Seraphim says:
    @Anon

    You twist the meaning of the Canaanite woman true story (it was not a parable). “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel”, said the Christ, but in the end He acceeds to her begging, “”Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted. And her daughter was healed from that very hour.” She had faith that Jesus was really the Son of God and had the power to heal her daughter (as He did with the servant of the Roman centurion: “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be ‘weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then Jesus said to the centurion, ‘Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would’. And his servant was healed at that very hour”), which the ‘sheeple of Israel’ denied and continue to deny.

    • Replies: @Anon
  73. Anon[296] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    All faiths, pagan and non-pagan, sacrifice humans either historically, arguably presently, or in symbol in reference to their belief system that now has to be hidden.

    In fact, pagan faiths centered around adult human sacrifice, specifically, as this was the sacrifice of the harvest.

    In these faiths, the harvest god of Death, Judgement, and Justice was King, with the opposite Spring god representing a type of necessary (to food production) Satan of unlimited growth and the accompanying injustice (symbolized by weeds, beast-men, etc).

    Typically, this adult harvest sacrifice would have been of prisoners of war.

    It would have had to have been a “just” sacrifice in order to symbolize the world returning to Just Order with the return of Autumn, the White Horse, the rains, and the “death” of the Sun (Bull) that symbolized “unjust” disordered growth and drought.

    In the “pagan” religions of the harvest god, there would have been no mainstream theological room for child sacrifice or sacrifice of persons who were not seen to deserve their fate, as the harvest sacrifice ritual was wholly focused on a return to justice and fertility (symbolized by the fall rains).

    In contrast, “non-pagan” biblical faiths (Judaism and Christianity) universally bring worship of the Spring growth season into the equation.

    See Passover and the symbolic “freeing of the Jews” (the Sun people, or “Semites / Shemites” – a word derived from the Mesopotamian “Shamash” or “Shemesh” Sun God).

    See Easter.

    In both instances, a “lamb”, representative of a child, is sacrificed.

    It is all but certain that this practice heralds back to a prior time of actual child sacrifice, very likely for a similarly structured belief system that focused on veneration the Spring Sun, though the Christian faith has never practiced it in anything but symbol (and then symbolizes the lamb child’s resurrection).

    Sacrificing of children, to the Sun-Bull god of growth (see Moloch), is specifically representative of a desire for injustice through the return of the Sun and its accompanying disordered growth. Its basically the ancient symbol of liberal sociopolitical belief (see the consonant Baachic and Dionysian “Rites”).

    The Ram represents the harvest God of Death, War, Judgement, and Justice (see the archangel Michael, Mars, Tyr, Mitra, Anubis, Amon, Cain) which is why he is sacrificed as a child (the lamb) in the Spring. In turn, he slays the Bull-Serpent (Sun) at the Fall Harvest time (Autumn equinox) in a return to justice. See Gilgamesh and the Bull, Cain and Abel, the Boar and Adonis, the death of Dionysus, or Michael / George and the Dragon to start.

    The Spring Season is the representation of the maturity of the Bull (Sun). Symbolically, it is the veneration of the time when justice is diminished in favor of wild growth. A symbol of that injustice is the sacrifice of children, which were also meant to symbolize the death of the symbolic Ram (a god that is diminished to being a “lamb” with the encroaching Spring Season).

    So, the piety of “non-pagan” religions eschewing human sacrifice is a false one. In fact, the most widespread and recurring human sacrifice allegations that we have today are against Jews sacrificing children at Passover. Whether or not this has occurred, it is entirely consistent with their symbolic beliefs.

    If there is going to be a symbolic or real sacrifice (ie: in wartime), it should be a just sacrifice of the enemies of true, heavenly justice wherever they lie. The sacrifice in the name of the Harvest God. It should not be that of children, in symbol or otherwise: the sacrifice for the Spring God (who is traditionally the Satan figure).

  74. Mr Darcy says:
    @Z-man

    Thank you for your generous words. They are very flattering, especially if you are the ZMan who writes that wonderful blog. I’m a very great admirer of yours.

    PS: Lizzy duly greeted.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  75. @War for Blair Mountain

    Thank you, man. What is an “Internet Billboard campaign”?

  76. Jason Liu says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    They DO have a problem with “Han People Supremacy” in China, it’s just not talked about much because they don’t live in China. This idea that leftism is only aimed at whites is completely wrong. It is aimed a majorities and hierarchical power structures.

  77. Mr Darcy says:
    @Anon

    Well stated. A valuable post. About whether these people grasp what is happening or not and as to why they join the screeching chorus of the anti-white cacophony, I think that they are just doing what Christ warned against in the parable where the Pharisee prayed publicly (to be seen and admired), saying, “Thank you, Lord, for not making me like other men.” Whereas the enlightened man stood apart and said, “Be merciful to me, a sinner.”

    These priestesses and their ilk just want to be admired by the mob (which is now a proscribed word). They are certainly shallow and probably stupid. At any rate, their lives are empty and pointless, so they adopt fashionable causes, etc. Cattle, basically.

  78. Anon[296] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    Christ’s life is a parable, sir. Its a refinement of the Dionysian / Baachic cult that preceded it, which in turn originated with the Mesopotamian Tammuz (by way of Sabazius, for which the Jews were rejected from Rome). He is equivalent to Adonis and Adonai. The God of Spring and foreigners.

    Though, Christ is a more refined and much more hybrid figure (hybridized with pagan belief, which is why Christianity succeeded and Baachus-Dionysus cult did not in overthrowing the Roman culture) whose life and the figures in it are meant to precisely model the seasons and annual sun cycle. If you don’t get that, then you don’t understand your own religion. Which is the true pox of our day. The Greeks used the same ploy when they sought to actively corrupt Vedic India with Buddhism: another manifestation of Dionysus.

    I didn’t twist anything, and neither did you demonstrate how I twisted anything. You merely quoted some of the NIV style text back to me, which actually proves my point. Christ’s love is for believers only, and this is not unclear when you further reference the origin of the “love thy neighbor quote” and how it was originally applied (which was the original discussion).

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Seraphim
  79. @nickels

    If you think I was advocating materialism, then you didn’t understand my post. And all knowledge does not “begin with God”. Religious knowledge may, but not scientific or artistic knowledge. What does that even mean, “knowledge begins with God”?

    • Replies: @nickels
  80. Mr Darcy says:
    @Che Guava

    There is an orthodox, traditional Lutheran Church body in the US now:

    http://eldona.org/

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  81. There are only two options for WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MALES:

    1)Be at least as HARD CORE RACIST!!!! as La RAZA and MECHA….

    or

    2) Be a Cucked CUCKSERVATIVE Civic Nationalist FAG…….Like ruddy-faced-fat bastard Steve Bannon, and Jordan Peterson

    There are no other options….none…

  82. Anon[777] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Christ’s life is a parable

    Not to Christians, who are, I presume, the people about whom you’re talking?

    If on the other hand you’re only talking about yourself, then carry on, I guess.

  83. @Craig Nelsen

    What is an Internet billboard campaign?

    ANSWER:THE HISTORIC NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MAJORITY!!!!!……drill it through the Neo-cortex….down to the limbic system…..way down deep into the reptilian brain….Policy Wonk obsessions with study X versus study Y induces enui….the eyes glaze over…

    Your Billboard Campaign was very important for it showed the way how to attack the enemy…When our side is able to provoke utter hatred for THE NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN WORKING CLASS….The process of activating the reptilian brain in THE NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN WORKING CLASS is ignited….

    Your Billboard Campaign was a brilliant idea…a special case of something more general and unrelenting….

    The really interesting question is why has it taken 53 years…since 1965…for this process to begin?…I believe that it was possible for the revolt to have started sooner….I could be wrong about this….

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  84. @Amen

    That’s an interesting opening observation, since politicians in the secular world have become less focused on the general good and more focused on the rights/fortunes of the individual. Today, the Pope preaches about reducing wealth inequality while secular politicians like Barack Obama decide about the ethics of gay marriage. Perhaps the trend towards a more nationalistic secular politics will encourage churches to focus more on individual ethics/salvation.

    Steve Turley claims there has been a modest revival of traditional Christianity in Western Europe.

  85. Boyd Cathey is a Roman Catholic and the RCC is the source of our problems. His scribblings about white supremacy, egalitarianism and the collapse of Christianity are contradictory and illogical.

    If he is a true believing Roman Catholic, he would accept black/Asian priests-popes. Thus, he cannot write about white supremacy and egalitarianism. His Catholicism makes him a multi-culti, egalitarian, universalist. Mr. Cathey is the problem.

    Biology is first, beliefs second. Beliefs cannot overcome biology. Of course, some beliefs are better. Christianity is the best religion, but it must be tempered with biological realities. I am not a materialistic, atheist. I do believe in God and that Jesus lived. Christianity is a logical religion for a Western person. We will find the true religion when we die. The West is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim. However, if these people want to be Christian, fine. But they must have their own churches.

    What we’re seeing now with many Christian churches is not the collapse of Christianity, but how diversity destroys. I was a cradle Catholic who left the RCC because I don’t accept black/Asian priests-popes. I don’t need religion to argue against gay marriage, polygamy, most divorce and most abortion. I can do this because of IQ. IQ is the most objective, important truth there is. IQ is also related to race. Christianity does not deal with these issues. It is a belief system. IQ and race are biological. Now that the world has shrunk because of modern travel and communication, we can see stark racial differences and how IQ impacts the development of a country. Seeing these differences makes it difficult to belong to a universal church. Seeing these differences means that the West cannot have blacks/Asians/Jews/Muslims in its nations.

    Also, the Bible and the history it records appeared during the time of the two great ancient civilizations – ancient Egypt (Caucasian) and ancient India (Aryan). These 2 civilizations were destroyed by mixing with blacks (Egypt) and Asians (India). When Genesis tells the creation of man in God’s image, well, the blacks/Asians who destroyed Egypt and India do not reflect well on God’s image. No Christian church will go near these topics.

    Jews/blacks/Asians/Muslims are not the source of our problems. It is Christian universalism and its refusal to deal with biology that are the causes of our current crisis.

  86. nickels says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    Science was revolutionized when Bacon identified its proper sphere as the physical world stripped of teleology and anthropomorphism. Similarly, a modern, powerful religion will need to identify its proper sphere.

    Your take on religion and science seems to me to be the standard one of protestantism. So, perhaps you have not gone all the way to materialism, but, once you strip teleology out of science, it is only a matter of following your own conclusions to end up there. This is precisely what happened in the West, though it took several centuries.

    What does that even mean, “knowledge begins with God”?

    What this means is that the entire project of assuming man has any ‘rationality’ must begin with this supposition. Otherwise one ends up (if they argue rationally) with solipsism.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  87. Che Guava says:
    @Mr Darcy

    Well, not being in the USA …

    Thank you, Mr. Darcy, it is refreshing to know that they are not all just crazy for gay marriage and Islamic invasion.

    Still, this group is a splinter of a splinter of a splinter (from my small knowledge of history, and of Lutheran churches there).

  88. JackOH says:

    Cradle Lutheran here, long lapsed, then, starting maybe a decade ago or thereabouts, started thinking of myself as a “reviving Christian”, unobservant, non-dogmatic, sloppily intuitionist.

    Gawd, I wish I could get the hang of organized religion! I couldn’t as a youngster, where my cradle church was riven by the Ins and Outs duking it out with one another. Hard to get with God and Jesus when you’re in a shoving match in Sunday school.

    I’ve had a handful of interactions with people of the cloth the past few years. Conversational stuff. Two of them women. I found all of them distant, one of them arrogant, and all of them oily, shifty. I wish I could say something else. I can’t.

  89. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Collapse of Christianity and rise of Queertianity.

    Anno Sodomini.

    The result? The Millennial Bunghole Apocalypse.

  90. Z-man says:
    @Mr Darcy

    Sorry, I am not that Z-Man, but I am magnanimous. (Grin)

  91. @nickels

    So, perhaps you have not gone all the way to materialism, but, once you strip teleology out of science, it is only a matter of following your own conclusions to end up there.

    Science governs our relationship with the physical world around us. Rationality is simply acting in terms of the world as it really is, and, for that, scientific knowledge informs us how the world really is.

    If I am standing at the edge of a tall building, my scientific understanding tells me that if I step forward I’ll plummet to the ground. It says nothing about whether I should. Simply that I will. My dog possesses the same understanding. I don’t need to posit some sort of teleological attribute to gravity in order for it to work or for me to understand it, and there is certainly no moral a priori.

    Religion makes itself ridiculous and does enormous damage when it tries to assert itself in the physical world.

    What this means is that the entire project of assuming man has any ‘rationality’ must begin with this supposition. Otherwise one ends up (if they argue rationally) with solipsism.

    If I step off the edge of the building expecting to find myself having a beer at the corner pub, I have acted irrationally. I have acted in the world as it really isn’t. My dog could make the same mistake.

  92. @Craig Nelsen

    Briefly……What you wrote is very reasonable. But when thinking about the relation between science and religion, it is very important to ask the right questions to make sense of this issue. In what sense could nickels be right? I think an exclusively analytic philosophy way about thinking about this question may not shed much light on this question. I believe that a phenomenological-historical framework is a better approach. I read a lot books on the history of Cambridge University mathematics and physics and I can report the that it is a long history of Men who were deeply inspired by Religion. Some of these Men were also Church Ministers. Atheism was not very fashionable to these Men in general. In fact, the great Cambridge Mathematics and Physics tradition emerged out of an Older Cambridge University that was devoted to Philosophical and Theological questions.

    So let us do a thought experiment:Would Cambridge University have produced so much outstanding Physics and Mathematics if there wasn’t a prior deeply entrenched religious tradition? If Cambridge University had started out with a Christopher Hitchens New Athiest tradition, would Cambridge University have evolved from its religious-Theological beginnings to a Mathematics and Physics Powerhouse?….I don’t think that it’s obvious that it would have….for a New Athiest Cambridge…if it existed back in the day….may not have had the grand-eternal-ethereal inspiration that only an ancient institution with an ancient religious-theological tradition has. The Atheist Scientists of 2018 owe a lot to devout Christian Scientists and Mathematicians of the past.

    Larger point:There is a context in which nickels claims are not the least bit crackpot. What I have written above could have been written about the history Classical Music also…..God help us if the New Athiests had been running the show back during the time of Bach….

  93. @War for Blair Mountain

    Black Holes are very hot area of research in Astronomy….Astrophysics….Cosmology….since the early 70s. The last chapter in the Hawking-Ellis book “The Large Scale Structure of Space and Time” is a reprint of the first speculations about the existence of Black Holes….an essay written by a Catholic Priest several centuries ago…..he refered to them as supercompact objects.

  94. The church has been cucked by Jewish influence.
    I can’t find a church worth going to, because they all cater to non-whites and missions, while totally ignoring our own people.

    God made the different kinds of people, with different languages and customs, God made nations and borders. Globalism is an unnatural Jewish imposition.

    Popes in the middle ages took up the sword against muslims.
    The current pope washes their feet.

    The only pastor with half a brain is Mark Dankoff.

    It’s so hard to be a believer when your fellow Christians hate themselves and hate their own country.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  95. anarchyst says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    There is another way…which I have been doing for years…
    When I am in a retail establishment that sells computers and has demo units connected to Wi-Fi, I stealthily go to pro-white (such as American Renaissance, Unz Review, and Renegade Tribune) and websites that research and question the jewish holocaust (such as CODOH) and if I get adventurous I will put “The Daily Stormer” webpage up and then leave them up for others to see. Watching from a distance, I see many young people snicker at first, but then show real interest, even taking screenshots of these “banned” sites with their cell phones.
    If I have time, and the salespeople aren’t pushy, I will change the browser homepage to my desired selection.
    This is a good way to get the message across.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  96. Rich says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    Religions, like Judaism or Christianity that are based on magic, were always destined to fail. Seas being parted, manna from heaven, the sick being magically healed or rising from the dead, even speaking in foreign tongues, all nonsense. The worst thing that happened to these belief systems is that the majority of people learned to read, and were able to look around and realize no superior being was carving rules on a stone tablet on a mountain top, and no itinerant preacher was turning water into wine. Science and philosophy are the only things that can guide us, and even those have enough charlatans to make the majority of people crazy.

  97. Indeed, it enshrined inequality and left untouched the rights of the individual states to legislate amongst themselves on such questions as voting, religious tests, and slavery.

    No, it did not. Not on the last. The white states were prohibited by the Constitution from joining Britain, Denmark, and other realms from Estonia to Greece to Chile in rejecting slavery.

    It should be embarrassing to Britons that it took 108 years for the result of the Zenger trial to reach London. But it took over 160 for the result of Smith v. Browne & Cooper to reach our shores.

    Somerset v Stewart was decided 85 years before Dred Scott. And went the other way.

  98. @Cleburne

    The Orthodox Church — particularly the Russians, arch-traditionalists that they are — remains steadfast and will never submit to modernity.

    Don’t be so sure — “never” is a long time. There already is a gay “Orthodox” church in Los Angeles , for example. Heretical and rejected by the main Church, yes, but a sign that The Poz can gain a toehold even among the Orthodox.

  99. Them Guys says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    “.God help us if the New Athiests had been running the show back during the time of Bach….”

    Indeed, it would probably sound much akin to how such atheists explain the beginning of the entire universe…..Ie: Long ago, there was simply nothing at all…Then nothing became, something, which was the entire known universe we today know of..But it was All contained in a tiny small Dot size particle the same size as a period at end of a sentence…And that universe containing small Dot, weighed about a hundred trillion Tons!…For all we know of in entire cosmos was contained and trapped within that tiny Dot particle…..Then when least expected, all on its own, the nothing became everything small Dot….Massively Exploded!!!…..And unlike all other explosions in history, such as TNT or NITRO type explosions, which always totally destroy and wreck everything….This one was the Big Bang and it caused an orderly and exacting creation event to happen!….The whole universe of a trillion planets and moons and stars etc…All went straight to their proper ordained places in outer space…And remain so even until today, several tens of billions years later.

    Because when people reject God belief, they feel compelled to conjure up any type alternate explanation with which they can explain away Gods existence. So we end up with idiotic tales such as described here by me, based on memory of listening to and reading of several of those atheist scientists descriptions of how it all began…And IIRC, that’s what’s taught to usa public school kids ever since Marxists gained full control of the Fed-Talmudic- Court system, which then led to Marxist controls over all usa forms of public school text books and teaching mandates.

    We now have well over 1/2 a Century worth to look back on to see just how swell such atheistic and marxist controls have created a much better class of super intelligent ghetto rats and whiggers. Crime rates attest to such controls as do too many other changes that happened in such short time, eh. And now that the lefty lib Marxist have gained almost complete control of all that matters most of and for, society, schools, culture, fed govnt, state govnts, msm medias etc etc…About all those marxist control freaks have left to do is….Exterminate every last European Whitey Male, and All Female Whiteys that do not measure up to be left alive for use as, Sex Slaves for wealthy satanic Jews and their cohort Shabbos Goy actors within those institutions and govnt positions.

    However….I for One think their plans are soon going to run right smack into a brick wall of mass resistance, and it shall get turned 180 degrees against Them instead….For, This is America and Not 1917 Russia and Poland and Ukraine, where no such phenom of 200 million heavily well armed citizens patiently await some form of a, signal so to speak, for lack of better term here, and that old proverbial warning we all know of as…Carefull what you wish for…..Because you just may Get It! Is going to be on their collective tomb stones.

  100. Them Guys says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    I forgot to mention in my last reply, what I last heard on some BBC or Discovery tv show. That had some so called “Expert” explain how planet earth orig got all the current Seas and Fresh Waters in every ocean, sea, lakes, rivers and streams on the entire planet earth.

    According to him, it seems that each small single droplet of water, came here from outer space, Mars and other planets etc…Via meteorites which fell to earth one at a time. And each carried within it a single drop of water. That was deposited on earth somewhere when the meteorite landed. And after billions of years, we ended up with all of the known bodies of water we have today.

    Which makes zero sense when you consider how every meteorite gets very Hot, as hot as the suns surface upon entry into earths atmosphere zone. Which would likely cause that small drop of water inside it to turn to steam and evaporate long before landing on earth. Plus he never explained why today, we do not see so many layers upon layers of meteorites that it would take to bring enough water droplets to fill every ocean and lake etc on earth….There should be multi layers of meteorites that are as tall as empire state building or even taller if such happened. How many drops of water are contained in every water body on earth?…Probably more drops than meteorites in all of outer space eh?…..Sounds to me like just another lame attempt by some “expert” modern day scientist type seeking huge grant shekels $$$ to continue his universities dept of conjured crapolas studies. I bet he’s called a Professor too. And his class room is across the hall from some Marxist black feminist professor who teaches a class in…African Lezbo underwater basket weaving studies.

  101. Them Guys says:
    @Bennis Mardens

    Bennis, Pastor Chuck Baldwin used to be another typical southern Baptist preacher for 35 years in Fla. But he began to do serious research on the same issue we here at unz deal with…Such as HoloHoax event and six million Jews etc. 9/11 inside job, and various other topics. He awoke Big Time!….and then Moved to Montanna about 8 years ago, opened a new church that is NON-501C tax free non profit org. So he can preach and teach whatever he wishes to without any need to comply with, nor answer to the fed IRS agency like every 501-C non taxed church has to do.

    He also has his own website where he does weekly articles and updates on most current issues and also sells Books by Michael Hoffman and Kevin MacDonald etc…Plus his website has a Link to his other church related website where you can view his weekly sunday sermons for free online like a yutube video. I never yet read nor heard of Any pastor or church like his is…He often speaks out with no holds barred about the many corrupt Jewish and Israel state issues of today. Also speaks out on past Russian Jewish Bolshevik revolt against White Christian Russians etc…

    Just do a website search for Chuck Baldwin and you should find his website easily. His site also has links to other sites like Dr. David Dukes website and several other controversial sites.

    Chuck is also the guy who ran for usa Prez as the constitution party candidate back in, 2008 (?) And is very well known of by many patriot type persons and websites. He writes great articles on forbidden issues too. You may enjoy checking him out.

  102. @Anon

    OK, I will admit Jewish influence in atomic history. But to call it a Jewish creation, during a Jewish communist war etc is … simplistic at best. Many non Jew’s were involved. Were Jew’s over represented as a percentage of total population ? Probably – they usually are.

  103. Them Guys says:
    @anarchyst

    Very swell tactic you do. I met a guy a few years ago who told me his method to awaken others is he prints up a bunch of small post it note sized short statements similar to a bumper sticker slogan, with a website address included. Or even several websites, and goes to public libraries, acts like he checking out various rows of books that may interest him to read, and Inserts those notes he printed up into as many books as possible. Then exits the library and repeats it at the next library he goes to.

    He said he just acts as if he’s skimming thru the books pages, and inserts his info note in the middle of book. I bet folks who later take those books home to read, are surprised when they find the hidden notes, eh. Picture someone checks out Tom Sawyer book at local library, begins reading it, and at some point about half way thru books pages, a small paper note falls out with Holohaox info and a few good websites to learn much more from eh!….As that TV credit card ad says…”priceless”!

  104. @Anon

    ” What’s worse, is that you insult the biblical faiths by attempting to reference their holy book that you didn’t take the time to understand. ”
    The problem is, in my opinion, that I understand the bible quite well, but draw quite different conclusions from the book than you do.
    Thomas L Thompson, ‘The mythic past, Biblical archaeology and the myth of Israel’, London 1999: literature of a fanatical sect.
    The bible is not even a translation, it is an interpretation.
    A Paris atheistic rabbi, always forget his name, has begun the work, estimated at twelve years, to compose a book, on the left pages a piece of hebrew bible, or Torah texts, on the right page the possible translations.
    You can find his lectures in french by googling Francine Kaufmann, her lectures on the Torah are quite interesting.
    Then there is the interesting theory that Jesus never existed, the first book arguing this appeared around 1850 in Germany.
    In this theory Paul created christianity as secret agent oft the Roman emperor to destroy judaism also culturally.

  105. anonymous[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    More like, soul-rotting. A godless civilisation can do glorious worldly things, as yours has shown, and as you much exult, but an eternity in the Fire… you fellows will be screaming for an opportunity to make another choice. That is a promise from the One.

    (Al Quran 6:27)
    If you could but see when they are made to stand before the Fire and will say, “Oh, would that we could be returned [to life on earth] and not deny the signs of our Lord and be among the believers [true monotheists].”

    But what they concealed before has [now] appeared to them. And even if they were returned, they would return to that which they were forbidden; and indeed, they are liars.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  106. Seraphim says:
    @Anon

    I never quote anything else than the KJV, which is the closest thing to the traditional Scripture used in the Church.
    Anyhow, you said that: “In Christianity, it takes the same definition. Christ clearly taught that Christians were only to “love” Christian believers”. The quoted texts show clearly that Christ’s love extended to the ‘pagans’ and ‘Samaritans’ as well. The question of ‘who is my neihbour’ is answered in the Parable of the Good Samaritan.
    It is not clear really what the crap Dionisius- Christ crap has to do with ‘love thy neighbor’. You are the real ‘bible illiterate’, the kind who is more aggressive the less they know.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  107. Ralph Vaughan Williams is one of my favorite composers. Ralph Vaughan Williams was an agnostic who never took the plunge into Atheism. Williams was a Cultural Christian who stated that he needed the inspiration of Christianity to compose his music. Thomas Tallas was a Christian who composed Church music. Williams’s masterpiece…variation on a theme by Thomas Tallas…..was inspired by the Church music of the devout Christian Thomas Tallas…….Whenever I hear variation on a theme by Thomas Tallas on the car radio I have to pull the car over to listen to it….That’s the kind of profound effect it has on me.

  108. For the record, I agree with,I think, all of Craig Nelsen’s comments here….I’m just approaching the issue from a different angle. For sure, something has gone terribly wrong in Western Christianity. My own view of the matter is that the root cause of it was, and still is:THE COLD WAR…..

  109. @anonymous

    I am in no way denying the existence of God. What I am advocating is a major updating of our understanding of God. Just as no one today conceptualizes God in Genesis terms, i.e., walking around Gardens talking to snakes and turning women into salt, because we have a more modern view of God, we need to drastically modernize God again–a religious revolution, if you will.

  110. @War for Blair Mountain

    I agree. I used to claim Bach’s St Matthew’s Passion was proof of the existence of God, in fact. But I am in no way arguing there is no God.

  111. America 2o19 is run according New Athiest Principles. And this really is what the inner core of the Democratic-Republican Party is all about. There are no moral constraints on degenerate behavior.

    America 2019 is not a Conservative Christian Nation……America 2019 is a surreal freak show Heironymous Bosch Painting….where deformed troll-like mutant freaks stick sharp arrows up each other’s filthy arses…..oh wait….I have just described the Charlottesville Antifa….Who these Days are being protected by the devout Evangelical Christian Jeff Sessions’s Justice Department…..

  112. Rich says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Judaism was already crushed before Christianity became the religion of Rome. The Jews were essentially wiped out by the middle of the 2nd century. The small number that survived were of little significance to the Emperor. Christianity was a religion that appealed, at first, to the poor and the large number of Roman slaves. Its original pacifist nature stopped the Romans from crushing it, and its promise of a happy afterlife helped keep the lower classes under control. As the accepted universal religion of the Empire, it helped bring together a disparate people.

  113. @jilles dykstra

    You really are a contemptible idiot, do you know that? There are no words to describe the sort of complete human worthlessness that you exhibit on a regular basis. To live in Europe, to be surrounded by the fruits of 2000 years of Christianity, and to seriously entertain the idea that it was all just some loopy conspiracy, indicates a thickheadedness beyond all remedy. You are a nonentity, and it’s just a frustrating pity that your destruction would actually be considered a crime.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @jilles dykstra
  114. @War for Blair Mountain

    When White Evangelical Christians and Conservative Catholics voted for Ronald Reagan…..George H Bush…..and George H Bush’s retard homosexual son George W Bush…..and Donald Trump….they voted for America to be a Hieronymous Bosch scene from HELL!!!!! Painting…..I am not making the case for voting for the old farting hairy violent bulldyke Hillary Clinton…..the party of the old farting hairy bulldyke and rotting piece of Irish cornbeef….Rosie O’Donnell……sometimes it’s hard to tell Teddy Kennedy apart from Rosie O’Donnell…….s0metimes?…..I mean all the time…..gotta got those tricky temporal quantifiers right you know…..

  115. anarchyst says:
    @Seraphim

    In my humble opinion, the KJV is also flawed. Try the Geneva Bible…Regards,

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  116. Rich says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    The history of Europe goes back much further than 2000 years, I think, and although Christianity did act as a unifying force in Europe, most of the advances, in health, engineering, navigation, agriculture etc. had little to do with the belief in a risen Christ. In fact, it could be argued that the Reformation and its resulting wars were a huge detriment to the European peoples, having brought so much death and destruction to these people.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  117. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    You lack something northwestern europeans . You lack abstract thinking , common sense , transcendence .

    Too proud and greedy to believe in God .

  118. @Intelligent Dasein

    It took us some 400 years to liberate us from the christian church.
    Galileo Bruno was burned alive in Rome on the pope’s orders, at more or less the same time Calvin burned alive the man who had comprehended the circulation of blood.
    Galileo, the first scientific experimenter in some 1600 years, just got house arrest.
    Anacleto Verrecchia, ‘Giordana Bruno, Nachtfalter de Geistes’, 2009 Wien
    Goldstone, Lawrence & Nancy, ‘Out of the Flames, The Remarkable Story of a Fearless Scholar, a Fatal Heresy, and One of the Rarest Books in the World’, New York, 2002
    Pietro Redondi, ´Galilei, ketter, De politieke machtsstrijd rond het proces tegen Galileo Galilei, 1633’, 1989, Amsterdam (Galileo eretico, 1983, 1989, Turin).

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  119. @Rich

    No power, also not the catholic church, gives up power without a fight.
    Unifying force, why do you think we Dutch fought the catholic Philips II in Spain ?
    Philips, the big mistake of his father, was raised in the catholic feudal Spain.
    He was unable to see that the rich northern countries had become rich through liberty, also liberty of religious thought.
    Toby Green, ‘Inquisition, The Reign of Fear’, London 2007
    Henry Kamen, ‘The Spanish Inquisition, A Historical Revision’, London 1997
    The origins of the Spanish civil war are traced back to the silver and gold fleets, against which Adam Smith in 1776 wrote his ‘Wealth of Nations’.
    The book was never comprehended in Spain, they were astonished how fast gold and silver lost value.
    Gerald Brenan, ´The Spanish Labyrinth, an Account of the Social and Political Background of the Spanish Civil War’, Cambridge, 1960

    • Replies: @Rich
  120. @Respect

    Already several years ago on German tv a bishop, a historian, and a sociologist, if I remember correctly, discussed what christianity had given to Europe.
    Very little, they agreed on.
    Lack of sanitation, for example ?
    Discussion by copying links is a horror to me.
    If you have arguments, please state them.

    • Replies: @Respect
    , @Respect
  121. Rich says:
    @jilles dykstra

    The Dutch revolt had a little to do with religion, but mostly I’d say it had to do with the then valiant Dutch resisting a foreign ruler. Many people agree with your assessment that the north became strong because of so-called “liberty”, I don’t belong in that camp. The common folk in most of the north lived under the same repression the common folk lived under in the south. Holland, because she needed fighters and allies, gave a bit more freedom to its folk, and that helped her in her war against the Spanish.

    You guys have to stop with the nonsense about the Spanish Inquisition. The purpose of the Inquisition in Spain was to root out Muslims and Jews who pretended to convert but were acting as a forward column for Muslim interests. The bastard Elizabeth and her cohorts did a great job of defaming the Spanish, while they were butchering those under English rule who refused to give up the Catholicism of their fathers.

    The Spanish were always wealthier than the Dutch and had a larger empire that lasted much longer. They also didn’t have to suffer under Nazi rule or the Allied liberation. And understand, I have great respect for the Dutch, I’m married to a Dutch girl, so my kids are cousins of yours, but let’s not pretend the Dutch weren’t without their faults.

  122. Seraphim says:
    @anarchyst

    KJV is flawed because it was translated from the ‘Masoretic text’, the supposed original Hebrew text, but which unknown before the 10th century AD. The only authoritative text is the Greek Septuagint used by the Orthodox Church, the only truly inspired.
    The ‘Geneva Bible’ is more corrupt than the KJV. It made the same mistake like the KJV to translate the New Testament from the authentic Greek sources, whereas it translated the Old Testament from the supposedly Hebrew one (the Masoretic text) which is the Jewish corruption of the Septuagint (translated in the 3d century BC from a Hebrew text which was not unknown until the discoveries of Qumran, which confirmed the accuracy of the Septuagint).

  123. Seraphim says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Galileo is Galileo Galilei, Giordano Bruno is Giordano Bruno who was burned in 1600. Galileo made it only with house arrest. They are not the same person (Galileo Bruno!). You are pulling our leg.

    • Replies: @Random Smartaleck
  124. @Seraphim

    …Giordano Bruno who was burned in 1600.

    For heretical religious views, not “science” as the New Atheists love to claim. He was anything but a scientist.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  125. Art says:

    In quoting author Jared Taylor, “that race is a biological fact and that it is a significant aspect of individual and group identity and that any attempt to create a society in which race can be made not to matter will fail,”

    That is total BS (Jared Taylor is a little mini-brained racist – period). Collective humanity has elevated mankind out of the cave. The knowledge to accomplish that – is not racial. Knowledge knows no race.

    We are both biological beings and intellectual beings – it is plain as day, that humans can use their brains to dictate their activity. Brains (knowledge) can override biological emotions. It may take a rocket scientist brain to originate the knowledge – but it does not require a genius to use the knowledge.

    It is a fact, every day in America, a measure of blacks and whites volitionally use the same knowledge to make their collective lives better. They live on a higher plain of action – above tribal emotions.

    We just need to do more of that.

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @geokat62
  126. Respect says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Germans are very good in mechanics , chemistry , were very good as mercenaries , as military exterminators etc….

    But in philosophy and religion they are toxic dangerous . When you say ” a german ” bishop , or historian , or philosopher , as an ” argument” , you imply some german authority , I don`t know if you realize it , what is a horror for me .

    You mentioned that a german idiot said in 1850 that Christ did never exist , even if you said you don´t reven remember his name , but you repeat reverently what the german ( achtung GERMAN ) idiot said .

    German and Benelux ” theologians ” ended the destruction of the Catholic church in the II Vatican council , ruined what was left of the church .

  127. Respect says:
    @jilles dykstra

    a germannnnnnnnn bishop , a germannnnnnnn historian an a germannnnnnnn sociologist , oh my God , three idiots savants , three arrogant germannnnnnnnn functional illiterates talking about religion , hahhahhhahahhahaha , hillarious .

    I rather listen to an islamic Iman , habibi , than to a german bishop ( unless he is from Bavaria )

  128. DanFromCT says:
    @jilles dykstra

    We’re it not for the Scholastics’ creation of the conceptual language essential to the first stirrings of science, there’d be no science for you to cavalierly oppose to Christianity. Science, furthermore, was no recovery of Ancient Greek and Roman conceptual apparatus, nor was the same borrowed from China, where in both cases science was stillborn thanks to pagan dead ends,cutting off the solely Christian genesis of all science inspired by divinely ordained rationality.

    The high Middle Ages, for example, were an era of great intellectual strides in law and commerce, as well as toward empirical science, first conceptualizing acceleration and solving the Merton mean speed theorem, graphically so by Oresme. Probably every last good thing about Western Civilization you cherish you owe to the theology, morality, ethics, philosophy, art, architecture, music and civilizing function of the Roman Catholic Church. Maybe you should take leap of faith and have a closer look beyond the topical objections du jour. Best, anyway.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  129. geokat62 says:
    @Art

    That is total BS (Jared Taylor is a little mini-brained racist – period.

    Art, Australian journalist, Lyz Haynes, accused JT of exactly the same thing.

    Here’s what he told her:

    “I stumbled onto the truth and I resisted the truth for many years. And, as I say, I would prefer to remain a liberal in all these respects. But, I don’t think you could build a successful society based on illusion. Adlai Steveson once said that: given a choice between disagreeable fact and agreeable fantasy, Americans will go for the phantasy every time. The idea that we’re going to build this successful, happy society which race could be made not to matter is a beautiful fantasy. Just as the communists tried to build a society on a fantasy. They thought they could build a society in which selfishness was going to be eliminated: from each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Doesn’t that sound lovely? And it inspired many, many people. And look at the millions of cadavers that were left behind in that attempt. I believe that the United States and practically every western European country is trying to build a society on an illusion that is equally mistaken as that of the communists. And, finally, more and more white people are waking up to this illusion. And, that is why you have Donald Trump’s success in the United States, why what is called, I think mistakenly, the “extreme right” is rising in Europe, and it is why we had Brexit. White people are finally waking up to find that what they’ve been told all of these years is wrong. There is something about race that is part of identity and that it’s genetic. And that we must, while we have the chance, seize the opportunity to pursue our own destiny and not be submerged by people who are unlike ourselves.”

    The topic of race is a sensitive one. While it is still not politically correct to acknowledge that it exists, Prof. Kevin MacDonald in his CofC provides some insight into how our thinking on race evolved to the point where we are today.

    Excerpt from, Ch. 2: The Boasian School of Anthropology And the Decline of Darwinism in the Social Sciences:

    Frank Boas as Intellectual Ethic Activist

    Degler… emphasizes the role of Franz Boas in the anti-Darwinian transformation of American social science:

    “Boas’ influence upon American social scientists in matters of race can hardly be exaggerated.” Boas engaged in a “life-long assault on the idea that race was a primary source of the differences to be found in the mental or social capabilities of human groups. He accomplished his mission largely through his ceaseless, almost relentless articulation of the concept of culture” (p. 61). “Boas, almost single-handedly, developed in America the concept of culture, which, like a powerful solvent, would in time expunge race from the literature of social science” (p. 71).
    Boas did not arrive at the position from a disinterested, scientific inquiry into a vexed if controversial question. . . There is no doubt that he had a deep interest in collecting evidence and designing arguments that would rebut or refute an ideological outlook—racism—which he considered restrictive upon individuals and undesirable for society… there is a persistent interest in pressing his social values upon the profession and the public…

    • Replies: @Art
  130. The degradation of Western Civilization had to begin in the Christian church – turning it into Churchianity – otherwise it would not have happened.
    The counter trend has started – http://www.crushlimbraw.com – Jesus is not a SJW or some pablum dispensing pulpit hanger!

  131. KenH says:
    @anarchyst

    All good points which mindless flag wavers and conservatives need to carefully consider before beating their chests about merica being the freest nation in world. The year 1957 is probably the year “our” government began waging war against white people, their constitutional rights, and their life and death interests.

    Why whites haven’t risen up in a violent fury long ago is a mystery but only a small minority recognized these things for the naked assaults that they were and few were listening since life was still pretty good. But since it was done in incremental fashion while appealing to our sense of fair play and tolerance most couldn’t discern the danger and the genocidal end game that would result.

    Today I think whites are so brainwashed, beaten down and overworked to finance the breeding of our third world replacements that a mass revolt isn’t in the cards especially since 40% or so are self hating scumbags.

    There are those that snarkily say that the alphabet agencies like the FBI and ATF aren’t the military so they aren’t violating posse comitatus, but when you consider that most agents are ex-military, agents receive the equivalent of military basic training and the military grade weaponry they possess and their eagerness to use them against civilians (Ruby Ridge, Wac0 twice) only a fool could claim they aren’t de facto paramilitary organizations. Therefore, posse comitatus should apply to them and be rigorously enforced. They should only be permitted to use force in self defense.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @anarchyst
  132. I don’t think the views of most Alt Right spokesmen are benign toward blacks and compatible with Christian theology. On the other hand, many are driven to the Alt Right by the valid observation that there is a racist “war on whites” taking place, though it is waged mainly by whites against other whites with Jews providing the leadership. The author makes a great point when he says,

    “But there is a serious problem in this not-so-veiled attack, a serious failure on their part of the required Christian virtue of Charity, not to mention Prudence and basic rationality. The grave injustice, the ideological legerdemain they commit is, essentially, to assume that the tendentious and nebulous accusations and character assassination mounted by the Mainstream Media against Bannon (and others like him) are true, without the proper and due investigation that honorable men, in justice, must pursue.”

    The pastor of my church was lately talking about a Christian’s obligation to always put the most favorable construal on another person’s words. Clearly that is not being done in this case. Alt Right spokesmen should confront the relevant churchmen on this point.

    The Alt Right is hamstrung by its obtuse or cowardly refusal to see that Jewish groups, intellectuals, and wealthy indivdual activists are the main promoters of the social changes they oppose and have near total control of black activism and grievance politics in general. If you don’t see this reflect on the fact that black per capita net worth is 1/20 of white. Blacks don’t foot the bills for black politics. Because Jews are more powerful than blacks most Alt Righters blame blacks and leave the Jews alone — a double error. Many blacks are displeased by Jewish direction of their movements but the racist Alt Righters drive them back onto the plantation they are thinking about leaving. While talking back to Jews is scary, if you aren’t up to the task better to shut up than launch into counter-productive whining about blacks.

    • Replies: @Saxon
  133. JackOH says:
    @KenH

    Excellent comment, KenH.

    ” . . . [F]ew were listening since life [in the 1950s] was still pretty good. But since it was done in incremental fashion while appealing to our sense of fair play and tolerance most couldn’t discern the danger and the genocidal end game that would result” [emphasis mine].

    I think a lot of White guys in the North viewed the 1960s civil rights disturbances with horror, but at the same did reflect: “Y’know, I call Jews “kikes”, Blacks “niggers”, and my wife “the little woman”. Okay, all right, maybe those protestors have something of a point.”

    What those White guys didn’t know at the time was that their pejorative comments, which were mostly empty verbalism void of any real animus, would have them marginalized along with Klansmen and Nazis. They–we– got snookered by, as you said, their own “sense of fair play and tolerance”. We’re still getting snookered.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  134. APilgrim says:

    Regarding the ACTUAL Right-Wing of Christendom … RECENT Events

    50 MILLION ‘FRIENDS OF ZION’ WELCOME CHRISTIAN MEDIA SUMMIT, BY MIKE EVANS, Jerusalem Post, Opinion, OCTOBER 13, 2018 22:34, https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/50-million-Friends-of-Zion-welcome-Christian-Media-Summit-569324

    Earlier this month, the Friends of Zion Museum surpassed 50 million members on social media, making it one of the largest Pro-Israel platforms in the world.

    Today (10/13/2018) is Christian Media Summit, a major gathering of Christian broadcasters and journalists from all over the world. These Christian broadcasters are one of the keys to building bridges as well as creating friends for Israel and her people. As the Founder of the Friends of Zion Museum, a sanctuary of strengthening Israel’s relationships, I am honored to be leading them, connecting them to Israel and standing with them in the fight against anti-Israel forces.

    The Christian Media Summit will include some of Israel’s highest government officials. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, President Reuven Rivlin, Mayor of Jerusalem Nir Barkat and I will be speaking to these vital Christian broadcasters about how they can stand up for Israel on campus, online and in person.

  135. APilgrim says:

    Michael David Evans (born June 30, 1947) is an author, journalist, commentator and the head of several international non-profit organizations in the U.S. and Netherlands. Evans is also a Christian Zionist.

    Evans has written 71 books and has provided analysis and commentary on Middle East affairs for a variety of media. He has appeared on network television and radio shows. His op-eds have been published in The Washington Times, The Jerusalem Post and others. He founded and serves as head of a number of politically conservative Christian organizations. Michael David Evans was born in Springfield, Massachusetts, on June 30, 1947, to a non-practicing Jewish mother whose parents were immigrants from the Soviet Union. Evans is a member of the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. He was featured in the Jerusalem Post[permanent dead link] for his work in Israel.

    Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Evans_(journalist) Extracted: 10/14/2018

  136. anarchyst says:
    @KenH

    You make an excellent point about the “alphabet agencies” being bound by “posse comitatus” as well, as they DO use military tactics and disregard Constitutional principles as well.
    Regards,

  137. anarchyst says:
    @JackOH

    I was there during the so-called “civil-rights” demonstrations and observed much criminal behavior that never got reported. You see, then as is now, the news media, communists and their fellow travellers had an agenda of their own and as such, could not “let a crisis go to waste”. The rapes, robberies, and the general trashing of the areas they occupied were never reported. Only the reactions of the local citizenry and law enforcement to the lawless behavior of the “demonstrators” was reported…
    These demonstrations were not peaceful by any means, the demonstrators being “egged on” by their New York-based jewish “carpetbagger” handlers. The locals, both black and white, wanted NOTHING to do with these “outsiders” coming into their peaceful communities, only to cause trouble.
    I WAS THERE, and personally witnesses the criminal activity by these so-called “civil-rights (for some)” pioneers…
    We used to have a saying: “Behind every Negro, there is a jew”. It is FACT that almost every so-called “civil-rights” worker was jewish…
    Sorta tells you something.

  138. Saxon says:
    @jack daniels

    Who doesn’t talk about Jews in regard to a lot of this black agitation? Everyone who’s researched this knows who for example actually started the NAACP. I guess some people like Jared Taylor don’t like to talk about the role of Jews in this “coalition of the fringes” as Steve Sailer puts it.

    Virtually everyone else does talk about this. A lot. Still though, what do you do about the blacks? The situation isn’t going to get better. I don’t need to “hate” anyone to point out that this isn’t going to work and it’s just us getting bloodsucked by the status quo, but I don’t really see a future for this multiracialism nonsense at all. They’re never going to be net contributors in our societies or be able to hold up their weight, as a demographic–although this is the same for plenty of other demos as well now thanks to immigration.

    The only serious African intellectuals (the very few of them there are) have basically said something to the extent of “leave us alone and let us see if we can actually do anything for ourselves.” I just don’t see any reason to expend much more mental energy on this topic.

  139. anarchyst says:

    It is long overdue to set the record straight on so-called “civil-rights” icons of the 1950s and 1960s.

    Here are true (corrected and unembellished) stories about “icons” of the so-called “civil rights” movement . . .

    There is much more to the “Emmett Till” story that is not widely known. Of course, killing him made him into a “martyr” of the black “civil-rights” movement, but–it is not generally known that Emmett Till was a strapping young man of about 160 lbs.–NOT a “little boy” as some media types tried to portray him as. He was a known womanizer and attempted to take his cocky “Chicago ways” in dealing with women to the Deep South. He was sent to live with relatives in the South because his Chicago relatives could not handle him. He had a “cocky attitude” and bragged about “getting it on” with white women–not a good idea in the South. . . According to published accounts, Mr. Till did not just “whistle” at a white woman, but grabbed, manhandled and fondled a married white woman. In Southern culture, this was, and still is, the ultimate form of disrespect. Despite Mr. Till’s relatives’ attempts to spirit him “out of town” to avoid retribution by the woman’s relatives and townspeople, his cocky attitude “got in the way”, similar to the way that “young master Trayvon’s” attitude got him killed. Despite being given numerous “chances” to apologize for his behavior, he was defiant to the end. IF he had apologized for his behavior, he would still be alive today. In fact, one of his killers was a black man.
    It is interesting to note that Emmett Till’s father was executed by the U S military for multiple rapes. Maybe “the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree” . . .
    Recently, the woman who was groped and fondled by Emmett Till retracted her story, probably because of old-age and the desire to atone tor Till’s demise. Among those who were there, even Till’s black friends corroborated the story in which Till DID grope and fondle the woman on a dare from them–an assault, any way you look at it.

    Rosa Parks was not the “ordinary” black woman that so-called historians made her to be. She was an organizer for the NAACP and was “planted” in order to advance the cause of black “civil-rights” to which she was successful.
    Approximately a year previous to Rosa Parks’ “bus ride” and refusal to vacate her seat, a REAL ordinary black woman did the same thing. This black woman received NO publicity or support from the NAACP or other black “civil-rights” organizations. You see, she was an unmarried black woman with children. According to the black civil-rights crowd, this would not do. They wanted someone who was “squeaky clean” without any “baggage”. In fact, the “white guy” sitting behind her was part of the “set-up”. He was a UPI reporter, contracted to “stage” the event…not only that, in the photo there is no one else on the bus. Ms. Parks could have sat wherever she wanted.
    Hence, Rosa Parks made (fabricated) history . . .

    Martin Luther (Michael) King was well-known for frequenting prostitutes, beating and abusing them while exclaiming that he “finally felt like a white man”. His own associates have stated as such. He also plagiarized his college papers and doctoral thesis. Of course, this was overlooked because of his status. King was also a communist.

    Jesse Jackson used to brag to his associates on how he would spit in the food of white patrons of the restaurant he worked at.

    There are many more fabrications of history that were used to lend “legitimacy” to the so-called “civil-rights” movement . . .

    More to come . . .

  140. APilgrim says:

    On the order of 50M AnaBaptists consider themselves to be Messianic Jews. They are Zionist Zealots who would probably vote to elect Benjamin ‘Bibi’ Netanyahu as President of the United States, Article II disqualifications, notwithstanding.

    Many of these ‘Right-Wing’ Christian Proselytizers firmly believe that they can hasten the end of the world, by deliberately fulfilling their VIEW of various Biblical Prophesies. I don’t agree with their epistimology, any more than I agree with the Left-Wing, Globalist, Communist-pfhaggots in the Main Stream, Atheist Denominations.

    True Anti-Semites (Actual-Jew-Haters) are quite rare, in conservative Christian circles. They widely consider the Jews to be Hell-Bound, Religious-Conversion-PROSPECTS, but they do NOT want to kill Jews. By my lights.

  141. @DanFromCT

    Bruno not a scientist
    Giordano Bruno, ‘Über das Unendliche, das Universum und die Welten’, Stuttgart, 1994 (Venetia 1584).
    He already postulated a universe without end, Unendliche.

    Bertrand Gille, ‘Ingenieure der Renaissance’, Wien, 1968 (Les ingenieurs de la Renaissance, Paris, 1964)
    How there was technical progress but no scientific

    You find the same with
    Lynn White Jr., ‘Medieval Technology and Social Change’, Oxford 1962

    I already did mention the books on Galileo and Servetius, the last man burned alive by Calvin.
    Arab Spain as source of old Greek knowledge
    Richard Fletcher, ‘Moorish Spain’, Berkeley 1992

    How the Jesuits saw themselves as the sole source of knowledge
    Jean Lacouture, ‚The Jesuits, a multibiography’, 1995, Washington D.C

    Even around 1870 the pope stated that philosophical thought was not allowed without church guidance.

    But I’m realising I’m writing from a country where hardly anyone believes any more, where churches are converted into apartment buildings, museums, etc.
    Can you name any scientific progress under christianity from say the year 1 CE to 1600 ?

    “civilizing function of the Roman Catholic Church.”
    Marcus Bull, ‘Knightly piety and the lay response to the first crusade, The Limousin and Gascony, c.970- c.1130’, 1993 Oxford
    Emmanuel le Roy Ladurie, ‘Montaillou, The World-Famous Portrait of Life in a Medieval Village’, Harmondsworth 1978 (Paris 1978)
    This first crusade was against the Albigensians, decribed in great detail because the Vatican kept the interrogation records.
    Massacred all of them by the civilised church, because they had the audacity not to understand how with a good god there could be evil, thus their belief in a devil.

    • Replies: @Random Smartaleck
  142. Art says:
    @geokat62

    geokat62,

    Both those guys are extremists – they both are on the extreme sides of arguments – they both are wrong.

    That is total BS (Jared Taylor is a little mini-brained racist – period.

    JT: The idea that we’re going to build this successful, happy society which race could be made not to matter is a beautiful fantasy.

    That is just plain wrong – every day in America blacks and whites interact without racial deviousness. Clearly – there are many many wrongs – clearly, we have a long way to go – but things are improving. It is undeniable, that in the last fifty years race relations have gotten better – in the next fifty years things will get better still. The fact is that human beings want less conflict – they want happy communities. We will, bit by bit, find a way to achieve that. Only the hopeless think otherwise.

    Boas engaged in a “life-long assault on the idea that race was a primary source of the differences to be found in the mental or social capabilities of human groups.

    As to Boas: He is just plain wrong – clearly blacks and whites have a different biological makeup – and that includes aspects of intelligence. He is a Jew – on the big questions about humanity – Jews always get things wrong – they always go for the answer that favors them politically and tribally.

    What both these intellectual clowns get wrong, is that in modern culture, knowledge overrides emotions – even tribal emotions. (Society does not need to be all rocket scientists to function morally.)

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Christo
  143. geokat62 says:
    @Art

    That is just plain wrong – every day in America blacks and whites interact without racial deviousness. Clearly – there are many many wrongs – clearly, we have a long way to go – but things are improving. It is undeniable, that in the last fifty years race relations have gotten better – in the next fifty years things will get better still. The fact is that human beings want less conflict – they want happy communities. We will, bit by bit, find a way to achieve that. Only the hopeless think otherwise.

    I wish the highlighted words were indeed true, Art.

    However, to get a better understanding of the racial strife that lies ahead, please see the comment I just posted under Phil Giraldi’s latest thread. The Lobby has just released a report whose thesis could be summarized by these three simple words: Trouble in Paradise.

  144. @jilles dykstra

    [Bruno] already postulated a universe without end

    Based on mystical speculation, not scientific investigation. The fact that his view aligns with some scientific cosmological models doesn’t change that.

    Velikovsky correctly predicted — based on speculation and against consensus — that Jupiter emits radio waves and Venus has a hot surface. Shall we declare him an astrophysicist because of that?

  145. Christo says:

    Your talent parable is more “on the money” than you know. The modern protestant church organizations of the USA are seriously involved (and making a serious amount of money) shipping in the 3rd world into our country ($10-15K per head AIUI) through their various connected NGO’s. The (money) has become so corrupting , they are concurrently espousing much anti-white and anti-national ideals in their pronouncements and preachings. Southern Baptists are now all big on preaching against “racism” i.e. anti-white and the Lutherans are raking in mad amounts of government head bonuses in their human smuggling/tax subsidized operations.

    On a side note “the parable of the talents ” is distressing to me as it seems to infer “usury” is good , where as JC says a lot against it in other places. yes, realize it is only a parable but still, bad allegory if you ask me

  146. Christo says:
    @Art

    ” It is undeniable, that in the last fifty years race relations have gotten better – in the next fifty years things will get better still. ”

    Here I am “a denier” in this as well, lol. No , race relations have not gotten better, they have gotten progressively worse in the USA. In another 50 years you will quite possibly be shooting at people of selected other races depending on their politics, if not sooner, in the area formerly known as the USA. Be interesting to see how the “mix-breed” thing works out , in those times.

    • Replies: @Art
  147. Art says:
    @Christo

    ” It is undeniable, that in the last fifty years race relations have gotten better – in the next fifty years things will get better still. ”

    Here I am “a denier” in this as well, lol. No , race relations have not gotten better, they have gotten progressively worse in the USA.

    Not true – not true – not true!

    Europeans bitterly fought each other for centuries. Now they have open borders to each other.

    The US East coast and the South have a hostile race history – but the West not so – the West is pretty much mixted and integrated. In the past, government’s enforced segregation – now they are allowing freed of assembly. With freedom – everyday things get a little better.

    Think Peace — Art

  148. Anon[384] • Disclaimer says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    Late on the thread, sorry about that.

    The Christian God cannot “evolve,” since it is already perfect: all wise, all good, etc. He is outside Creation, a First Cause that does not need Creation, or man, but loves man in mercy and grace.

    Human understanding of God is what changed with the coming of Christ (old and new testaments).

    From a somewhat distant Yahve, God of one nation, to a loving, personal, triune God of all: creator, redeemer and inspirer. Such revealed truths (Revelation) ended on the death of the last Apostle, and can be better apprehended, but not changed.

  149. Anon[384] • Disclaimer says:
    @Che Guava

    Hi Che Guava!
    Very late on the thread, but still…
    Don’t chose or reject the Church because of wonderful pope Francis (a heavy cross we must bear) but because Christ is, today and for always, present in his Church. A spiritual life, lived sacramentally and in communion is priceless riches.

    As for the Virgin, I speak of her as I would of a person -far holier than any- that I feel particularly close to. As catholic you may or may not become devoted to her, it is a choice, but I read this today, and thought of you:

    Mary and the Convert | G.K. Chesterton | From The Well and the Shallows

    ………….”Mary and the Convert” is the most personal of topics, because conversion is something more personal and less corporate than communion; and involves isolated feelings as an introduction to collective feelings. But also because the cult of Mary is in a rather peculiar sense a personal cult; over and above that greater sense that must always attach to the worship of a personal God. God is God, Maker of all things visible and invisible; the Mother of God is in a rather special sense connected with things visible; since she is of this earth, and through her bodily being God was revealed to the senses. In the presence of God, we must remember what is invisible, even in the sense of what is merely intellectual; the abstractions and the absolute laws of thought; the love of truth, and the respect for right reason and honourable logic in things, which God himself has respected. For, as St. Thomas Aquinas insists, God himself does not contradict the law of contradiction.

    But Our Lady, reminding us especially of God Incarnate, does in some degree gather up and embody all those elements of the heart and the higher instincts, which are the legitimate short cuts to the love of God. Dealing with those personal feelings, even in this rude and curt outline, is therefore very far from easy. I hope I shall not be misunderstood if the example I take is merely personal; since it is this particular part of religion that really cannot be impersonal. It may be an accident, or a highly unmerited favour of heaven, but anyhow it is a fact, that I always had a curious longing for the remains of this particular tradition, even in a world where it was regarded as a legend. I was not only haunted by the idea while still stuck in the ordinary stage of schoolboy scepticism; I was affected by it before that, before I had shed the ordinary nursery religion in which the Mother of God had no fit or adequate place. I found not long ago, scrawled in very bad handwriting, screeds of an exceedingly bad imitation of Swinburne, which was, nevertheless, apparently addressed to what I should have called a picture of the Madonna. And I can distinctly remember reciting the lines of the “Hymn To Proserpine,” out of pleasure in their roll and resonance; but deliberately directing them away from Swinburne’s intention, and supposing them addressed to the new Christian Queen of life, rather than to the fallen Pagan queen of death.

    “But I turn to her still; having seen she shall surely abide in the end; Goddess and maiden and queen, be near me now and befriend.”

    And I had obscurely, from that time onwards, the very vague but slowly clarifying idea of defending all that Constantine had set up, just as Swinburne’s Pagan had defended all he had thrown down.

    (It is not complete. Best wishes.)

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  150. A fact of hitory – in order to bring down Western Civilization, of which Christianity is a fundamental pillar – you have to infiltrate the pulpits and change the mission.
    Instead of making disciples of all nations as Jesus clearly commanded, we have been infantilized, feminized and neutralized so that we feed on pabulum and not meat – as the writer of Hebrews 5:11-14 admonishes.
    For Old Scratch it’s mission accomplished – but it ain’t over ’til it’s over – http://www.crushlimbraw.com – and it ain’t! Get to work!

  151. c matt says:
    @unpc downunder

    Well, Mexican “takeover” of the southwest US is a little different than being invaded. Large swaths of these areas were, in fact, part of Mexico (and Spain) prior to being part of the US. Many people of Mexican/Spanish descent had been there for generations, so calling it an “invasion” is a bit of a stretch. They are just as much the “native” population as anyone. Add in the illegal immigrant influx and then, yes, you have problem. But it is the same problem Ukraine has with Crimea – large portions of the original population belonged to a different ethnicity to begin with.

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  152. @c matt

    Check out Mexican history.
    Many states of Mexico simultaneously rebelled against General Santa Anna and his dictatorship/takeover of Mexican government, his throwing out their 1824 Constitution that they established after fighting for independence, rebelling against the Spanish Crown.

    Santa Anna slaughtered thousands of Mexicans, see the history of the sacking of Zacatecas.

    Several states went into open rebellion after these acts of Santa Anna: Coahuila y Tejas, San Luis Potosí, Querétaro, Durango, Guanajuato, Michoacán, Yucatán, Jalisco, Nuevo León, Tamaulipas and Zacatecas. Several of these states formed their own governments, the Republic of the Rio Grande, the Republic of Yucatan, and the Republic of Texas. The Zacatecan militia, the largest and best supplied of the Mexican states, led by Francisco Garcia, was well armed with .753 caliber British ‘Brown Bess’ muskets and Baker .61 rifles. After two hours of combat, on 12 May 1835, the Santa Anna’s “Army of Operations” defeated the Zacatecan militia and took almost 3,000 prisoners. Santa Anna allowed his army to ransack Zacatecas for forty-eight hours. After defeating Zacatecas, he planned to move on to Coahuila y Tejas.

    http://mexicanhistory.org/santaanna.htm

    It is just the case that the Texians and Tejanos north of the Rio Grande successfully defended their lands, homes, and lives from Santa Anna, where Santa Anna prevailed against other places in his war against Mexico.

  153. Che Guava says:
    @Anon

    Thank you. It was an informative reply. Have read and enjoyed some of Chesterton’s fiction, but only quotations from his theological writings.

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