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Establishment historians state that all Jews sent to the Aktion Reinhardt camps of Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor were exterminated. It is claimed that a handful of strong young Jews were temporarily spared to keep the camps running. All other Jews sent to the Aktion Reinhardt camps were immediately gassed upon arrival without registration.[1]Graf, Jürgen, “David Irving and the Aktion Reinhardt Camps,” Inconvenient History, Vol. 1, No. 2, 2009.

In his book Holocaust, historian Peter Longerich states that 1,274,166 Jews had been killed in the Aktion Reinhardt camps by the end of 1942. Longerich bases his statement on the fact that the Höfle telegram shows that this many Jews had been sent by then to the Aktion Reinhardt camps. Longerich assumes that every Jew sent to the Aktion Reinhardt camps was murdered.[2]Longerich, Peter, Holocaust: The Nazi Persecution and Murder of the Jews, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2010, p. 340.

This article will show that the Aktion Reinhardt camps were actually transit camps rather than extermination camps.

Demographic Studies

The German policy of resettling Jews in the east is supported by the demographic studies of Eugene M. Kulischer. Kulischer, who was a member of the International Labor Office in Montreal during World War II, published in 1943 the book The Displacement of Population in Europe.[3]Kulischer, Eugene M., The Displacement of Population in Europe, Montreal: International Labour Office, 1943. This book uses the work of 24 institutions that had at their disposal a huge network of channels of information in the various European nations. Kulischer was thus able to base his demographic studies upon the best existing sources.

Kulischer devotes an entire section of his book to the expulsion and deportation of Jews during World War II. Kulischer states:

For the Polish ghettos are not the last stage in the forced eastward migration of the Jewish people. On 20 November 1941, the Governor General, Hans Frank, broadcast the information that the Polish Jews would ultimately be transferred further east. Since the summer of 1942 the ghettos and labour camps in the German-occupied Eastern Territories have become the destination of deportees both from Poland and from western and central Europe; in particular, a new large-scale transfer from the Warsaw ghetto has been reported. Many of the deportees have been sent to the labour camps on the Russian front; others to work in the marshes of Pinsk, or to the ghettos of the Baltic countries, Bielorussia and Ukraine.[4]Ibid., pp. 110-111.
(Kulischer, Eugene M., The Displacement of Population in Europe, Montreal: International Labour Office, 1943.)

Kulischer states that removal of the Jews to the east was largely motivated by the wish to make use of them as forced labor. Jews were not sent to work in the Reich because this would violate the policy of making Germany free of Jews.

Kulischer states that “deportation to the east is for Jews the equivalent of the recruitment for work in the Reich to which the rest of the population of German-controlled Europe is subject, and their removal further and further eastward is doubtless connected with the need for supplying the army’s requirements near the front.”[5]Ibid., p. 110.
(Kulischer, Eugene M., The Displacement of Population in Europe, Montreal: International Labour Office, 1943.)
Kulischer concludes that the vast majority of deported Jews “went to the General Government, and further east to the German and Rumanian-occupied territories of the Soviet Union.”[6]Ibid., p. 112.
(Kulischer, Eugene M., The Displacement of Population in Europe, Montreal: International Labour Office, 1943.)

Nowhere in his book does Kulischer speak of extermination camps or of a German policy of genocide of the Jews. The demographic evidence does not support such a conclusion.

Himmler’s Statements

Heinrich Himmler made numerous orders and statements indicating that the Aktion Reinhardt camps were transit camps. For example, on July 5, 1943, Himmler personally gave the following order: “The transit camp Sobibor is to be converted into a concentration camp. In the concentration camp a plant for the repair of captured munitions is to be established.”[7]Mattogno, Carlo and Graf, Jürgen, Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp? Washington, D.C.: The Barnes Review, 2010, pp. 258-259.

On September 18, 1941, in a letter to Gauleiter Arthur Greiser, Himmler wrote that, in accord with the wishes of the Führer, the Jews were supposed to have been transported out of the Altreich and the Protectorate “into the eastern territories newly incorporated into the Reich two years ago,” but merely “as a first stage,” in expectation of a deportation “still farther to the east.”[8]Ibid., p. 254.
(Mattogno, Carlo and Graf, Jürgen, Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp? Washington, D.C.: The Barnes Review, 2010, pp. 258-259.)

On November 18, 1943, in a speech given in Krakow before SS leaders and other German officials, Himmler spoke of: “…these 16 million foreign peoples, whose numbers were once made even larger by an enormous number of Jews, who of course now have emigrated or been brought to the east.”[9]Ibid., pp. 255-256.
(Mattogno, Carlo and Graf, Jürgen, Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp? Washington, D.C.: The Barnes Review, 2010, pp. 258-259.)

Some Jewish historians dismiss these and other statements by Himmler by saying that the Nazis used code words to hide their genocide of European Jewry. This theory does not explain why Himmler used explicit written orders for his other crimes. For example, Heinrich Himmler authorized in writing many illegal human medical experiments and executions in the German concentration camps. It is absurd to think that Himmler hid the genocide of European Jewry behind code words, while his other crimes were clearly stated in writing.

Jews Sent from Aktion Reinhardt Camps to Auschwitz and Majdanek

Since the Allies claimed that Nazi Germany had a program of genocide against European Jewry, numerous documents contradicting the genocide myth were hidden or destroyed by the Allies. However, enough documents exist to disprove Longerich’s assertion that all Jews sent to the Aktion Reinhardt camps were exterminated.

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Some Jews were sent from the Aktion Reinhardt camps to Auschwitz and Majdanek. Polish historian Zofia Leszczynska reports that 1,700 Jews left Belzec for Majdanek in October of 1942. Jewish historians Adam Rutkowski and Tatiana Berenstein state in an article about Jews at Majdanek: “Some of the transports from Warsaw reached Lublin by way of Treblinka, where the selection of the deportees took place.” Samuel Zylbersztain wrote that on April 30, 1942, a transport with 305 Jews arrived at Majdanek from Treblinka. Such reports are inconsistent with the claim that Belzec and Treblinka were pure extermination camps.[10]Graf, Jürgen, “David Irving and the Aktion Reinhardt Camps,” Inconvenient History, Vol. 1, No. 2, 2009.

The statements of numerous Dutch-Jewish deportees also indicate that Sobibor was a transit camp. Cato Polak was deported on March 10, 1943 and remained in Sobibor one or two hours before being transferred to Majdanek. Bertha Jansen-Ensel and Judith Eliazar, who had arrived in Sobibor on March 10, 1943, were likewise transferred toMajdanek. Although they alluded to gas chambers and cremations, they declared: “Sobibor was no camp, rather a transit camp.” Jules Schelvis, deported to Sobibor on June 1, 1943, was transferred three hours after his arrival there and eventually returned to Holland via Auschwitz.[11]Mattogno, Carlo and Graf, Jürgen, Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp? Washington, D.C.: The Barnes Review, 2010, p. 259.

Sientje and Jetje Veterman were sent to Sobibor on April 6, 1943. They were sorted out together with 28 other women for work and transferred to Trawniki. They returned to the Netherlands by way of Auschwitz-Birkenau. Elias Alex Cohen was deported to Sobibor on March 17, 1943. Cohen spent only a few hours in Sobibor and was sent to Majdanek with 35 other Jews. Sophie Verduin was deported to Sobibor on March 10, 1943, and transferred to Majdanek after a few hours. Her return home to Holland took place by way of Auschwitz-Birkenau.[12]Ibid., pp. 259-260.
(Mattogno, Carlo and Graf, Jürgen, Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp? Washington, D.C.: The Barnes Review, 2010, p. 259.)

Nearly all of the Dutch Jews who had been transferred from Sobibor to another camp returned home by way of Auschwitz-Birkenau. The survival of these Dutch Jews proves that Sobibor was not solely used as an extermination camp.[13]Ibid., p. 260.
(Mattogno, Carlo and Graf, Jürgen, Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp? Washington, D.C.: The Barnes Review, 2010, p. 259.)

Forensic Evidence

Forensic evidence indicates that the Aktion Reinhardt camps were not extermination camps. A detailed forensic examination at the Treblinka camp using sophisticated electronic ground radar found no evidence of mass graves. An Australian team headed by Richard Krege, a qualified electronics engineer, carried out an examination at the site of the Treblinka camp. Krege’s team used an $80,000 Ground Penetration Radar (GPR) device, which sends out vertical signals that are visible on a computer monitor. GPR devices are routinely used around the world by geologists, archeologists and police. GPR detects any major disturbances in the soil to a normal effective depth of four or five meters.

For six days in October 1999 the team carefully examined the entire Treblinka site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. Krege’s team also carried out visual soil inspections, and used an auger to take numerous soil samples. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, the team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes or wood ashes. Richard Krege concludes from his examination of the site that Treblinka was never an extermination camp.[14]The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 19, No. 3, May/June 2000, p. 20.

In regard to excavations at Sobibor, Thomas Kues states:

In an article published in The Scotsman on November 26, 2001, we read that Polish archaeologist A. Kola and his team had discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor site…Despite seven years having passed since the drilling and diggings were reportedly made, not a single article, paper or scientific report has appeared on them, neither in English, Polish, nor in any other language.[15]Graf, Jürgen, “David Irving and the Aktion Reinhardt Camps,” Inconvenient History, Vol. 1, No. 2, 2009.

No articles, papers or scientific reports have been published because A. Kola and his team had nothing to report that would benefit the claim that Sobibor was an extermination camp.

Defenders of the Holocaust story have sometimes used forensic archaeologist Dr. Caroline Sturdy Colls and her limited excavation work at Treblinka to prove that Treblinka was an extermination camp. An analysis of her work shows that she fails to prove that Treblinka was an extermination camp.[16]See http://www.westernspring.co.uk/treblinka-forensic-e...fails/ .

Photographic and Engineering Evidence

German aerial reconnaissance photographs taken in 1944 of the Treblinka camp also cast serious doubts on the widely accepted story that Treblinka was a mass extermination center. Discovered in 1989 in the National Archives in Washington, D.C., these photographs corroborate other evidence indicating that Treblinka was actually a transit camp. The photographs indicate that Treblinka was an extremely small camp. The camp’s burial area is too small to contain the hundreds of thousands of bodies supposedly buried there. Treblinka was not particularly well guarded or isolated. The aerial photographs show that fields where Polish farmers planted and cultivated crops were directly adjacent to the camp perimeter and were cultivated right up to the edge of the camp.[17]Weber, Mark and Allen, Andrew, “Treblinka,” The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 12, No. 2, Summer 1992, p. 134.

John C. Ball, a geologist with experience interpreting aerial photographs, has reviewed the wartime aerial photos taken of Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor. Ball concludes: “To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the ‘Nazis’ had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret.”[18]Ball, John Clive, “Air Photo Evidence,” in Gauss, Ernst (ed.), Dissecting the Holocaust: The Growing Critique of Truth and Memory, Capshaw, AL: Thesis and Dissertations Press, 2000, p. 284.

Of the five camps where carbon monoxide was supposedly used to kill inmates, the vast majority of victims are said to have been killed in the Aktion Reinhardt camps. Carbon monoxide was supposedly generated by Diesel engines to kill the victims. However, the Diesel engine is an inherently inadequate choice as a source of carbon monoxide. The logical choice as a source of carbon monoxide would have been the gasoline engine. Any common, ordinary gasoline engine would easily have given the Germans 10 times more carbon monoxide production than any similarly sized Diesel engine.[19]http://balder.org/judea/pdf/Dissecting-The-Holocaus...lf.pdf , pp. 445, 459.

American engineer Friedrich Paul Berg states:

The hoax becomes even more obvious when one discovers that far better sources of carbon monoxide, better even than gasoline engines, were readily available to the Germans – and required neither Diesel fuel nor gasoline…Even if some deranged minds had tried for a time to commit murder with Diesel exhaust, after a few tries it would have become apparent to even the most demented fiend that something far better was needed. The idea that the National Socialists actually used such a method not just for a few fiendish experiments, but continually over many months in several different locations is too preposterous. It never happened![20]Ibid., pp. 459, 469.
(http://balder.org/judea/pdf/Dissecting-The-Holocaus...lf.pdf , pp. 445, 459.)

Walter Lüftl, a court-recognized expert engineer who headed a large engineering firm in Vienna, concludes in his report that the stories of gas chambers with diesel engines and gas vans at places such as Treblinka can only be disinformation. Lüftl states: “The laws of nature apply both to Nazis and anti-fascists. Nobody can be killed with diesel exhaust gas in the manner described [in the Holocaust literature].”[21]Lüftl, Walter, “The Lüftl Report,” The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 12, No. 4, Winter 1992-1993, pp. 403-406, 419.

Impossibility of Disposing of Bodies

Historians universally acknowledge that none of the Aktion Reinhardt camps had crematoria. All other German concentration camps such as Buchenwald and Dachau had crematoria even though mass killings are not alleged to have taken place at these camps. Why wouldn’t the Germans have built crematoria at the Aktion Reinhardt camps, since such crematoria would have been far more necessary to accomplish the mass killings?[22]Graf, Jürgen, “David Irving and the Aktion Reinhardt Camps,” Inconvenient History, Vol. 1, No. 2, 2009.

According to Holocaust historians, the bodies of Jews gassed at the Aktion Reinhardt camps were first buried in mass graves. The bodies were later exhumed and burned in the open air.[23]Ibid.
(Graf, Jürgen, “David Irving and the Aktion Reinhardt Camps,” Inconvenient History, Vol. 1, No. 2, 2009.)

Based on several cremation experiments, Carlo Mattogno determines that 160 kg of wood are needed to cremate a human body weighing 45 kg. He calculates that the burning of 870,000 bodies at Treblinka would have left 1,950 tons of human ashes, plus 11,100 tons of wood ashes. The total volume of ashes would have amounted to approximately 48,400 cubic meters. Also, 139,200 metric tons of wood would have been required for the incineration of the bodies. Since human teeth and bones cannot be completely destroyed through open air cremations, myriads of teeth and bone fragments would have been scattered at the site of the former camp.[24]Mattogno, Carlo and Graf, Jürgen, Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp? Washington, D.C.: The Barnes Review, 2010, pp. 150-151.

Even if Mattogno’s calculations are significantly inflated, the mass extermination of approximately 870,000 people at Treblinka would have left huge amounts of human and wood ashes as well as teeth and bones. The fact that large quantities of these have not been found indicates that mass exterminations of inmates did not take place at Treblinka.

Although enormous amounts of fuel would have been needed to cremate the hundreds of thousands of alleged corpses, there is no documentary record or witness recollection of the great quantities of firewood that would have been required. According to Polish-Jewish historian Rachel Auerbach, fuel to burn bodies was not needed at Treblinka because the bodies of women, which had more fat, “were used to kindle, or, more accurately put, to build the fires among the piles of corpses…” Even more incredible, she wrote that “blood, too, was found to be first-class combustion material.”[25]Auerbach, Rachel, “In the Fields of Treblinka,” edited by Donat, Alexander, The Death Camp Treblinka, New York: Holocaust Library, 1979, p. 38. Auerbach’s explanation of how bodies were burned at Treblinka is total nonsense.

Conclusion

Many Jewish prisoners undoubtedly perished during or after their rail journey to the Aktion Reinhardt camps. It is also plausible that hundreds and perhaps thousands of Jews who were too weak or ill to continue the eastbound journey from the camps were killed by officials acting on their own authority. These prisoners were buried at the Aktion Reinhardt camps. However, there is no compelling evidence that the Aktion Reinhardt camps were extermination centers in which Jews were systematically put to death.[26]http://ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p133_allen.html.

The Aktion Reinhardt camps were transit camps rather than extermination camps. The demographic studies, the statements from Heinrich Himmler, the reports of transfers of Jews from the Aktion Reinhardt camps to Auschwitz and Majdanek, the lack of credible forensic evidence that mass exterminations occurred at the camps, the photographic and engineering evidence, the impossibility of disposing of so many bodies in such a short period of time, the relative lack of secrecy and security in the camps, and the small size of the areas where the bodies were supposedly buried all indicate that the Aktion Reinhardt camps were transit camps.

Endnotes

[1] Graf, Jürgen, “David Irving and the Aktion Reinhardt Camps,” Inconvenient History, Vol. 1, No. 2, 2009.

[2] Longerich, Peter, Holocaust: The Nazi Persecution and Murder of the Jews, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2010, p. 340.

[3] Kulischer, Eugene M., The Displacement of Population in Europe, Montreal: International Labour Office, 1943.

[4] Ibid., pp. 110-111.

[5] Ibid., p. 110.

[6] Ibid., p. 112.

[7] Mattogno, Carlo and Graf, Jürgen, Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp? Washington, D.C.: The Barnes Review, 2010, pp. 258-259.

[8] Ibid., p. 254.

[9] Ibid., pp. 255-256.

[10] Graf, Jürgen, “David Irving and the Aktion Reinhardt Camps,” Inconvenient History, Vol. 1, No. 2, 2009.

[11] Mattogno, Carlo and Graf, Jürgen, Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp? Washington, D.C.: The Barnes Review, 2010, p. 259.

[12] Ibid., pp. 259-260.

[13] Ibid., p. 260.

[14] The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 19, No. 3, May/June 2000, p. 20.

[15] Graf, Jürgen, “David Irving and the Aktion Reinhardt Camps,” Inconvenient History, Vol. 1, No. 2, 2009.

[16] See http://www.westernspring.co.uk/treblinka-forensic-examination-fails/ .

[17] Weber, Mark and Allen, Andrew, “Treblinka,” The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 12, No. 2, Summer 1992, p. 134.

[18] Ball, John Clive, “Air Photo Evidence,” in Gauss, Ernst (ed.), Dissecting the Holocaust: The Growing Critique of Truth and Memory, Capshaw, AL: Thesis and Dissertations Press, 2000, p. 284.

[19] http://balder.org/judea/pdf/Dissecting-The-Holocaust-Germar-Rudolf.pdf , pp. 445, 459.

[20] Ibid., pp. 459, 469.

[21] Lüftl, Walter, “The Lüftl Report,” The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 12, No. 4, Winter 1992-1993, pp. 403-406, 419.

[22] Graf, Jürgen, “David Irving and the Aktion Reinhardt Camps,” Inconvenient History, Vol. 1, No. 2, 2009.

[23] Ibid.

[24] Mattogno, Carlo and Graf, Jürgen, Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp? Washington, D.C.: The Barnes Review, 2010, pp. 150-151.

[25] Auerbach, Rachel, “In the Fields of Treblinka,” edited by Donat, Alexander, The Death Camp Treblinka, New York: Holocaust Library, 1979, p. 38.

[26] http://ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p133_allen.html.

 
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  1. utu says:

    It is also plausible that hundreds and perhaps thousands of Jews who were too weak or ill to continue the eastbound journey from the camps were killed by officials acting on their own authority

    Are you not curious what was the destination of the eastbound journey? Where did they go and what happened to them once they arrived to their destination?

  2. The view which the article seeks to criticize strikes me as “Too strange to believe” like George H.W. Bush claiming not to remember where he was when JFK was killed. It seems to be the one area where Germany didn’t keep written records. I find that fascinating.

    Jerzy Kozinsky and Elie Wiesel are good and proper reasons to question the “Holocaust”.

    Here’s a question: Why tattoo someone with a number if you intend to kill them and then burn the body? Where’s the value added?

  3. Anonymous[193] • Disclaimer says:

    You could quite conclusively resolve the question of “where all the Jews went” if you had a representative genetic study of populations in living in Eastern Europe today. If you found many more “half and quarter Jews” than you’d expect given official demographic figures, then that would strongly suggest that many of those six million “missing Jews” just assimilated into the Soviet Union, often intermarrying with gentiles. On the other hand, if you couldn’t find any trace of their genetic descendants, then they probably probably starved to death or were murdered.

    For example, MyHeritage, an Israeli company, published a study recently where they were shocked to discover that 7.6% of Hungarians are genetically no less than 25% Jewish, considerably higher than expected. The number in Russia was almost identical at 7.5%.

    Study: https://blog.myheritage.com/2019/08/hungarys-secret-new-study-by-myheritage/

    By comparison only 3.5% of American test takers were “at least 25% genetically Jewish.” The U.S. officially has about six million Jews, or 1.8% of its 330 million people. Thus, if 1.8% of a population being “Jewish” scales to 3.5% of a population being “at least 25% Jewish” (3.5/1.8 = 0.514 scale factor) then 7.5% of Russia 144 million people being “at least 25% Jewish” would scale to Russia having a population of 144 * 0.075 * 0.514 = 5.55 million Jews today (or 11 million “at least 25% Jews” in total). Now, according to official demographic figures, this is an absurdly high number, as Russia is claimed to have a population of fewer than 200,000 Jews. Could there really be 28 times as many “Jews by descent” in Russia as official demographic figures state? (This also ignores Belarus, Ukraine, etc.)

    Russian Demographics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia

    A researcher in the study suggested that Jews being wealthier and/or more educated are more likely to take a DNA test and that could explain some of the disparity seen in Hungary. But, no such large disparity is seen in the U.S. where “six million American Jews” scales to only about 12 million “at least 25% Jews.” Perhaps there’s a little selection bias, but, but it’s at least in the ballpark. Why is the Russian figure so disproportionate while the U.S. figure is about in line with what one might expect?

    You won’t definitively know unless you ensure that you’re using a representative sample. Anyone who wants to “prove all those Holocaust deniers wrong” by conducting such a study is free to do so.

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  4. John Wear says:
    @utu

    Utu,

    Yes, I am curious where the Jews who were not gassed at the Aktion Reinhardt camps went on their eastbound journey. I write about this on my old website at https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2019/03/23/what-happened-to-the-inmates-of-the-aktion-reinhardt-transit-camps-of-treblinka-belzec-sobibor-in-poland-can-the-allies-version-be-trusted/.

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  5. sarz says:

    Ron Unz on this website has made much of David Irving as a fearless hero of truth. Ron should bring this article to Irving’s attention.

    Let me take the liberty of quoting from a letter I wrote to the president of my alma mater, a well-known liberal arts college. I had been pushing for the college library to get works by leading revisionist historians, and she had defensively told me that they had something by David Irving.

    The highly regarded Holocaust authority Arthur R Butz notes that the “glowing evaluation of Irving as a military historian does not apply to Irving as a revisionist.” Butz mentions Irving’s “most controversial thesis, supported by an illogical interpretation of some personal notes of Himmler, arguing that while the physical exterminations of Jews took place, Hitler did not order them, was opposed to them, and was unaware of them until late in the war.” Irving has achieved notoriety amongst people who subscribe to the commonly accepted view of the Holocaust for denying, quite reasonably, that there were gas chambers at Auschwitz. Amongst revisionists, he is notorious for saying they were not at Auschwitz, they were just next door [at the Reinhardt camps]. David Guttenplan remarked about Irving in the Atlantic Monthly that “What David Irving actually believes about the Holocaust remains mysterious . . . . Irving’s arguments have a quicksilver quality, and over time he has occupied a number of contradictory positions.”

  6. obvious says:
    @utu

    read the article again: to points farther East in Soviet Russia land that was under German control for a few years in WW2. “ghettoes and labor camps” it reads, in Belorussia, the Baltic and Ukraine. These people were liberated by the Red Army in 1944.

  7. Icecut says:

    Krege is in disrepute for failing to publish his work while the diesel engine as a source of CO has been morphed into a gas engine. It should be noted that the supposed eyewitnesses claim that the alleged gas chambers at Treblinka also functioned as vacuum chambers for suffocating the Jews. Yitzhak Arad et al. claimed that the M&H draglines (excavators) from the Treblinka 1 work camp and gravel quarry were used to dig and stockpile the excavated material from the mass graves. Given the dimensions of the mass graves as stated by the alleged eyewitnesses, that was an impossibility. There’s no shortage of impossibilities claimed for Treblinka and the other AR camps.

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  8. Good article. Important subject. The Holocaust fable needs to be examined closely by skeptics as well as by True Believes. There must be no speech restrictions. It’s time to talk back to the Hebraic priesthood as we inspect, dissect, and deconstruct this ugly, moribund fairy tale.

    The overwrought Holocaust fable has been weaponized by Israel and global Jewry. It is designed to instill guilt, produce fear, and cause paralysis. The Holocaust yarn is also world Jewry’s ‘Get of Jail Free’ card. Due to their unique ‘suffering’, The Holocaust gives world Jewry a license to rob, shakedown, and kill innocent non-Jews.

    The holy six million figure is also a blood libel against Christianity. It’s one-sided narrative defames the German people and, by extension, all European-descended peoples for this allegedly unique sin. It is a kosher fabrication that keeps on giving.

    Keep in mind that the Holyhoax myth preceded the rise of Adolf Hitler by decades. There is irrefutable evidence that the claim of “six million” dead or suffering Jews was being publicized by organized Jewry well before WWI.

    The modern mission of the Holocaust is to shame and manipulate the goyin. At the same time, Holocaust ‘remembrance’ also manages to trivialize the suffering of tens of millions of (non-Jewish) people who actually did perish during WWII. This ethnocentric myth also exonerates Jewry for its key role in Bolshevism as well as the rise and spread of communism.

    Reject the false meaning and significance of The ‘Holocaust’. It is a cancerous Trojan Horse that targets the mind and spirit of all non-Jews.

  9. Alfred says:

    It is undeniable that the Germans had a huge shortage of manpower. In view of this, I find it hard to believe that they killed so many healthy people of working age. As regards the killing of children, that is directly in conflict with the fact that there are so many survivors of these camps still alive today.

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  10. @utu

    Are you not curious what was the destination of the eastbound journey? Where did they go and what happened to them once they arrived to their destination?

    Wbhy don’t you read the Goebbels diary?
    His private thoughts, never meant to publish?

    Plan was to expel Jews to Madagascar, to put them in quarantine there.
    This solution was delayed, Jews were moved to the east, put in bolshevik camps, and after the war, it was planned to transfer them all to Madagascar.

    Sep 24, 1941 (II.1.480-481, 485)
    Also with respect to the Jewish Question, I have some important things to say to Heydrich. For the Berlin Jews, we will drive away the desire to hide their badges; and anyway, I am of the opinion that the Jews must be evacuated (evakuieren) from Berlin as quickly as possible. This will be the case as soon as we have settled the military issues in the East. In the end, they will all be transported (transportieren) to the camps designed by the Bolsheviks. These camps were built by the Jews; it is only right that they are now populated by the Jews\.

    Nov 2, 1941 (II.2.221-222)
    We fly early in the morning to Vilnius [Lithuania]. … We were met by Lt Colonel Zehnpfennig, who drove us through the city. Vilnius has a quarter million inhabitants, and nearly one quarter are Jewish. However, the ranks of the Jews have been greatly thinned by the Lithuanians after the invasion of German troops. The Jews were active primarily as [Soviet] GPU spies and informers, and countless Lithuanian intellectuals and citizens owe their deaths to them. The revenge tribunal established by the Lithuanians and Poles, being the majority of the city, has been horrifying. Thousands [of Jews] have been shot, and even now hundreds more as well. They have now all been rounded up into their ghettos. That they have not all been killed is due only to the fact that the Jews control the entire Vilnian handcraft industry, and the Lithuanians are completely dependent on them\.

    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/2/1/1918

    You should ask, why the hell did the Bolshevik Jews open camps as soon as the took over Russia? And who were the inmates of these camps?

    You know, context matters, which you people hate so much.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  11. Rahan says:

    Under early Stalin, the Soviets established a Jewish homeland in Siberia, bordering China.

    Who knows, maybe totalitarian minds think alike…

    http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/221/birobidjan-the-story-of-the-first-jewish-state
    “In 1924 the Politburo decided to create a region in Russia for Jews. An initial plan, which had gained considerable support both in Russia and the West was to establish this region in Crimea, but the settlement was switched to Birobidjan because Crimea was already well populated. Boris Bruk, an agricultural scientist led an expedition to Birobidjan to find appropriate locations for establishing Jewish settlements. (J.A.R.) The government set aside 4.5 million hectares of land for them to build on. In April 1928, the first Jewish immigrants arrived under the auspices of KOMZET-Committee for the Settlement of Jewish Toilers on the Land and established the first settlement- Waldheim.

    By 1930 there were three Jewish schools in 9 mainly Jewish settlements. By 1932 it had developed to the extent that the State Planning Committee ratified the first estimated figures of the economic plan of the Birobidjan region as a separate economic unit. (J.A.R.) and in 1934 Birobidjan was separated from Khabarovsk province and was granted fully autonomous status; (Clarkson 644) and the Crimean project lost its funding and its cause was discouraged.

    Birobidjan had Jewish schools and Jewish newspapers and Jewish theatre and the official language was Yiddish. The main street In the city of Birobidjan is named after famous Yiddish author Shalom Aleichem.”

    **

    The project has been abandoned, but the place still exists:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

  12. @utu

    The Soviet black hole eats anything and everything. Yes we are very interested to know, but curiously enough all the documentation has vanished. Since there are no mass graves to be found it probably wasn’t the Germans trying to hide a genocide.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @Wally
  13. anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:

    John Wear wrote:

    According to Jewish historian Rachel Auerbach, fuel to burn bodies was not needed at Treblinka because the bodies of women, which had more fat, “were used to kindle, or, more accurately put, to build the fires among the piles of corpses…” Even more incredible, she wrote that “blood, too, was found to be first-class combustion material.”[25] Auerbach’s explanation of how bodies were burned at Treblinka is total nonsense.

    “[T]hat’s just nonsense” is not a very convincing argument, John Wear, rendering your entire thesis worthless. You’re just a holocaust denying auntiesemite.

    oh
    but wait —

    If a container filled with blood is set fire to, then will it burn?
    1 Answer:
    David Grubbs, 20+ yr fire officer, fire science degree, hazmat tech, fire science instructor
    Answered May 5, 2016 :

    With enough temperature, even carbon will burn. (Charcoal/diamonds). All things eventually heat to a point they chemically breakdown and/or vaporize and eventually ignite.

    That said, blood is mainly water and under normal conditions it will not “burn”… especially free burn with flames, etc. In fact, blood has been used to extinguish fires.

    One of the original foams for fighting liquid fires used in the military and eventually civilian fire services was made of cows blood. (In the 50’s… though a Russian chemist first made firefighting foam in the early 1900’s.)

    But the short answer, no. Blood is not going to light on fire in the normal sense. If you have a chemistry/engineering background you realize everything is relative… but for a normal person, that’s the answer.

    Well, ok, maybe John Wear’s dismissal of Jewish historian Rachel Auerbach’s claim that “blood was first-class combustion material” is “nonsense” is borne out by the laws of nature, engineering, and “for a normal person,” but just because he has the facts and laws of nature on his side that does not mean that John Wear is not the transgender aunt of a semite.

  14. GMC says:

    Very good article- I think a whole lot of folks got caught up in this Jewish expulsion program from Germany along with other countries in WW II. Most likely , any peasant { jew or non jew} would be caught and sent to the work camps – they needed cheap, slave labor – Period. This Jew thing has been out of control long enough – the Red Cross stats say that around 270,000 Jews died in Europe and they based their stats on census before and after the War ended. What the people of the World today need to know is – when someone comes on American TV and talks about the Holocaust and most any other thing – they aren’t representing any one – other than the Zionists. Real truthful Americans, aren’t allowed on TV. And are never allowed to debate the real History. The same can be said in many countries run by the Zionists. So, why would I believe, anything the Zionists claim? Spacibo Unz Rev.

  15. Good article. Let me return the favour by showing how Isaiah 53 is used to promote the holocaust.

    https://www.biblaridion.info/blog/the-holocaust-and-isaiah-53/

  16. Robjil says:
    @Anonymous

    This proves the point that they did go east.

    The Pale of Settlement, which was Poland, Ukraine, Belorussia, Baltics, Moldavia, did not allow Jews to settle in Russia itself. Jews only settled in Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution. To have such a huge number as 7.5 percent with a large part of Ashkenazi genes in Russia itself, this could only happen if there was large foot movement to the east.

    It also proves the point that there was no huge H of Hungarian Jews if descendants are a huge 7.5 percent of the population. It is not a study of all Hungarians but it points to the fact that many Hungarian Jews married into the gentile population.

    Poland’s smaller portion of Ashkenazi genes, also proves this foot movement. Foot movement happens. After World War II, Fourteen million German speaking people had to leave Eastern Germany and all of Eastern Europe to the rump Germanies in the west. Foot movement happens.

  17. Anonymous[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @A SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle

    Regarding tattoos, on Long Island a kosher deli-restaurant in Nassau County, popular with the Jewish community living in nearby Queens, was c0-owned and operated by a couple who had forearm tattoos. A Jewish manager there used to say it was common knowledge among the Jewish community in Queens that this couple were never in a concentration camp and had themselves tattooed somewhere along their route to the US via South America.

  18. mp says:

    Interesting how five or six hundred years later, archaeologists are still able to frequently dig up bones from Aztec human sacrifices, but there’s no remains of the Six Million™?

  19. gotmituns says:

    What Happened to Jews Sent to the Aktion Reinhardt Camps?
    ————————————————————————–
    I don’t give a rat’s behind what happened to them.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
    • Replies: @anonymous
  20. Vinnie O says:
    @Icecut

    One should also note that the Germans were DESPERATELY short of diesel fuel, to the extent that many pre-war army vehicles were converted to gasoline engines. ALL of the German diesel fuel was needed by the U-boats. I think Speer discusses this in his book.

  21. Saggy says: • Website

    This vid by Eric Hunt contains many interviews with Jews who were transited through Treblinka, –
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/7M6O2AHCbhB9/

  22. @Anonymous

    Why is it surprising? By the mid-1920s, both Moscow and Leningrad were around 6-7% Jewish, after the shtetls moved east.

    If the Russian sample was indeed concentrated around Moscow and SPB, and tended to come from the richer layers of the population, then a figure of 7.5% is perfectly credible.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  23. Read the book The Good Old Days; the Holocaust as seen by its perpetrators and bystanders, by 3 German authors using German government records. There were more than Jews in the holocaust, there were Catholics, Lutherans, political dissenters, all types of people.

    The book can be had on amazon.

    • Agree: Agent76
    • Replies: @Germanicus
  24. @Alexandros

    I have speculated that reassigning blame for the Holocaust from Nazi Germany to “Russian nationalist Jugashvili” would be a perfectly logical move on the West’s part. It would reconcile the contradictions between neoliberalism and the Alt Right, and sacralize the hatred of Russia and Russians.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Wally
  25. Weren’t the Germans fighting at times both a two front and three front war? Where did they get all that time, fuel and manpower to do the Holocaust? For instance re-digging graves is no small task. I’ve never heard a Holocaust survivor claim they did such a thing. Plus didn’t the Soviets cut off German fuel supplies by the summer of 44? Why waste fuel on anything other than German survival? Slave labor camps make so much more sense. Nothing moral about such camps, and yet nary a peep over that horror. Makes me wonder if allegations about big American and London banks and corporations financing and building the National Socialist war machine are indeed true.

    For the wrong think trolls monitoring this site: I never thought twice about your Holocaust narrative til you started pushing for laws forbidding mere questions. Whatcha hiding?

  26. anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @gotmituns

    What Happened to Jews Sent to the Aktion Reinhardt Camps in Poland?

    A few weeks ago someone on Unz commented that very many Jews in Poland converted to Catholicism and settled among Poles during the war; and after the war settled en masse in the regions from which ethnic Germans had been expelled.

    The Unz commenter said that many of Poland’s elites today are converso-crypto Jews.

    Gertrude Stein remained safe in France throughout the war by associating herself with Catholic groups. Alice Toklas, also a Jew, went so far as to be baptized and become a Catholic. Toklas relied on the advice of her Catholic confessor in her efforts to comfort Gertrude as she was dying of cancer.

    Jewish conversions-of-expedience are not a novel phenomenon.

    sub-moral of the story: Unz commenters are some of the smartest people on the planet. Kudos.

  27. Adamant says:

    Ask Stalin, he had them last.

    Seriously, you can’t accuse the Germans of killing millions of Jews while at the same time admitting that millions of Jews got dumped into your territory. So they just got pushed further into the interior as being inconvenient to The Narrative.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  28. anarchyst says:

    I am reposting this as the topic makes it especially relevant. Apologies to those who have read this previously…

    There was no jewish “holocaust™ ” and I can prove it…

    So if “the holocaust™ ” is thoroughly documented, why do all the documents show that it never happened?

    All of the German camp documents were stored at Bad Aralson since the end of the war. The Red Cross/ITS was the agency charged with controlling these records at Bad Aralson.

    In 1985, 40 years after the war, Dr Charles Beiderman was the head of the Red Cross/ITS, Beiderman was called to testify at the Zundel trial for the prosecution. Beiderman testified that QUOTE as of December 31, 1983, the total number of deaths registered with the Special Registry Office and various other registry offices was 373,468.

    [MORE]

    There is NOT ONE DOCUMENT outlining any extermination plan for jews or others. In fact, prominent Zionists collaborated with the German government and formulated plans at the highest level of the German government for the transfer of jews to what was then known as Palestine. Absolutely nothing was noted or recorded about extermination.

    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD IT KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would it build camps hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical, recreational and other ancillary facilities? Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? Why would they expend massive effort on logistical movement utilizing their limited energy resources if the goal was extermination? Things do not add up.

    Something BIG stinks in this whole jewish holocaust™ deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made deals with the German government in order to make life uncomfortable for jewish Germans. In fact, it was jewish Zionist leaders who first proposed that all jews wear the yellow Star of David armband so that they could be easily identified. German jews considered themselves Germans first and had no desire to emigrate.

    The establishment of a homeland along with the 6,000,000 figure was a Zionist dream since the 1800s. Many periodicals of the day starting with the 1800s touted the “six-million” figure.

    What better way to encourage emigration to a foreign land than to make things difficult for the cream of German society (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish holocaust™ is out . . .

    As cremation of ONE human body takes hours, the amount of time claimed by holocaust™ promoters is a physical, scientific and statistical impossibility. Their claims also do not account for the “downtime” that crematoria require for maintenance, etc. In addition, there are no mass burial sites that are commensurate with the claims of “six-million” or even “one-million”.

    There is also a jewish prohibition on excavation of claimed possible burial sites. WHY?? Because THEY DO NOT EXIST.
    There is even a prohibition on the use of ground penetrating radar to search for burial sites. WHY??

    If millions were gassed and cremated, the activities would have lasted well into the 1950s.

    The so-called jewish holocaust ™ has been turned into a de-facto religion in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish holocaust™ truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment.

    In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the tribe that FEAR the real truth of the jewish holocaust™ being exposed is evident.

    A questionable dishonest judicial “trick” used in holocaust™ trials is that of “judicial notice” in which TRUTH CANNOT BE USED AS A DEFENSE OR ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE KANGAROO COURTS THAT PROSECUTE THOSE WHO DARE TO INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT.

    Judicial notice, once invoked against a defendant, disallows the introduction of evidence that does not conform to”commonly accepted beliefs” (NOT TRUTH) about the “holocaust™ “, EVEN IF THE EVIDENCE EXPOSES THE HOLOCAUST™ CLAIMS, LIES AND FABRICATIONS THAT CAN EASILY BE DEBUNKED. A question for you holocaust promoters-why are there laws that criminalize the search for truth?? What are you afraid of??™

    When the truth about this minor historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a cash cow that keeps on giving. . . there’s NO business like SHOAH business. Zionist complicity in this event is carefully covered up.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question official jewish holocaust™ orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the official jewish holocaust™ story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to all things holocaust™ .

    Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment.

    The latest victims of holocaustianity™ are Ursula Haverbeck, Monika Schaefer and Sylvia Stolz, who are elderly grandmothers who have been prosecuted and sentenced to maximum-security prison in Germany for incorrect thoughts.

    Sylvia Stolz is a lawyer who attempted to introduce evidence refuting the so-called “holocaust™ ” and was jailed for providing a proper defense for her client by attempting to introduce TRUTH into the court record.

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the chosen) to engineer the jewish holocaust,™ there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish holocaust™ was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state.

    In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many TRUE holocausts of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish holocaust is the only one that counts . . . It is interesting to note that the term holocaust™ to mean mass extermination wa™ s never used during or immediately after WW2, only coming to vogue in the 1960s, when it was noted that false guilt could be assigned and reparations could be procured.

    Look at the commercialization of the so-called jewish holocaust™ while the much larger jewish communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten.

    To assure a continuing supply of jewish holocaust™ survivors, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean camp numbers) on their children and grandchildren.

    In addition, jewish psychologists have come up with a new concept, and disease-holocaust™ transference syndrome. You see, children and grandchildren of jewish holocaust survivors are infected with this disease and should also be considered holocaust™ survivors, eligible for holocaust™ reparations.

    According to these jewish psychiatrists, even unrelated individuals can be “infected”with this jewish-only “malady”.

    Since the Zionist jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least)..

    This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a homeland Israel. It is interesting to note that the German boycott of jewish businesses lasted for one day, whil the jewish boycott (actually the jewish declaration of war on Germany) started in1933 and lasted until the summation of WW2.

    Let’s not forget that as “world jewry” declared WAR on Germany in 1933, a book “Germany Must Perish” was authored by Theodore N. Kaufman, a jew, who advocated the complete destruction and extermination of Germany, it’s people and culture, and erasure from the world timeline and history.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish homeland for the last two-hundred years while predicting a holocaust™ of 6 million for the same amount of time.

    The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures).

    The International Red Cross had full access to all of the camps for the duration of the war, yet reported NOT ONE INSTANCE of extermination or mass murder.

    Regarding that (jewish freak show) holocaust™ showplace Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called gas chambers. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called gassing took place. There is a gas chamber chimney that is not connected to anything.

    From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the operators of these supposed gas chambers. As Germans were excellent engineers, it is difficult to observe the glaring engineering errors that presently exist in these camps.

    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported gas chambers, had them tested and published his results. The absence of Prussian blue (ferricyanide) in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the gas chambers did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing. In fact, the chimney for the supposed gas chamber does not connect to anything.

    Mr. Leuchter was rewarded for his search for TRUTH with his professional and personal character assassination by those of the tribe. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts law for practicing engineering without a license-a law which had never been used vindictively before or since. . .After his report was published, he was harassed by Israeli “deep state” types (mossad) who he successfully “outed”.

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets created the death camps for propaganda purposes. Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering; many people perished. The prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing. The photos of stacks of bodies were a result of disease, NOT “gassing”.

    It is interesting to note that, before the camps were liberated by the allies, the camp occupants chose to flee with the German troops, rather than be liberated by the Russian allies.

    It is said that the light of day is the best disinfectant in the search for truth Unfortunately this quote does not apply to “all things holocaust™ “. It appears that there are those”holocaust™ ” promoters who are afraid of the TRUTH. Hence the prosecution and incarceration of those who dare question any aspects of this minor historical event.

    I urge all holocaust™ believers to check these things out for yourselves IF YOU DARE. You will not like what you find…

  29. Trinity says:

    WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GERMAN CAPTURED BY THE ALLIES AND PUT IN EISENHOWER’S DEATH CAMPS?

    WHAT HAPPENED TO AMERICAN TROOPS CAPTURED BY THE VIET CONG?

    WHAT HAPPENED TO GEORGIA CIVILIANS DURING SHERMAN’S MARCH TO THE SEA IN THE CIVIL WAR?

    WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CHINESE DURING IMPERIAL JAPAN’S OCCUPATION OF THEIR COUNTRY DURING WWII?

    WHAT HAPPENED TO UKRAINIANS AND OTHER EASTERN EUROPEANS IN 1932-1933?

    WHY are we still hearing, seeing or reading about what ALLEGEDLY happened to Jewish prisoners of war during WWII 24/7/365 in the year 2019? WHY does the HistoryChannel aka the HitlerChannel show Hitler/Nazi reruns 24/7 for FOREVER? World Jewry declared war on Germany in 1933 and wasn’t a book written by some Jewish fellow titled, “Germany Must Perish.”

    NAME ME ONE GROUP OF POWs WHO HAVE NOT SUFFERED DURING A WAR. IF there was ever a group of prisoners who had a RELATIVELY easy time it would have been the American troops captured by these same Germans during WWII. I have read somewhere that 95-98% of American POWs captured by these “evil Nazis” returned home in good health and were treated well by the Germans. Can’t say the same about how the Americans treated the German POWs, however.

    • Agree: Robjil, Alexandros
    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    , @obvious
  30. @Old and grumpy

    For instance re-digging graves is no small task.

    Why would they re-dig anyone? Earth swallows everything. From Germany, say, to European Russia, earth is full of mass graves, literally hundreds of thousands of them. Where do you think c. 3 million of Soviet POWs had disappeared? Or c. 8 million Germans, which are, more or less, German losses in WW2?

    The “argument” about the graves is one of the most absurd I’ve heard.

    • Agree: TKK, Haxo Angmark
    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @Saggy
    , @anon
    , @Wally
    , @Theodore
  31. Trinity says:

    IF we had a LEGIT “HistoryChannel,” FAR MORE documentaries and discussions about WWII would center on how the largely Jewish led Bolsheviks planned on conquering the entire continent of Europe along with the rest of the world with Germany being the crown jewel in Europe. We would read, hear or see far more movies and documentaries on the Holodomor which happened before Hitler even came to power. We would see, read or hear about the links between Russo-Japanese War, the Russian Revolution, the Spanish Civil War and the World Wars. All these wars had a common denominator. Can you guess what that common thread was?

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  32. The Black Nobility and Court Jews have held a near duopoly of power on this planet for a long time, largely through control over central banking, money supply, financial instittutions, etc.
    They will use any lie to destroy intelligent, independent populations (read: European civilizations) as they intend to kill all of us -except for a small group of low IQ slaves and perhaps a tiny technical-engineering class (they do need some tech but not innovative tech).

    Is it self-defense to kill those who intend on genociding 8 Billion?

    Remember, this UnHoly Alliance consists of an ‘elite’ group (of scum) of only 8,000-8,500.

    If a Bilderberg Meeting was hit with an earthquake this group would instantly lose 10% of its members.

    They really have no idea how truly vulnerable they are. Many of us have no idea how truly dependant on pure Evil (ie. Satan) they actually are.
    This is a spiritual war.
    It is a war nevertheless and the blood spilt so far has been ours.

  33. Wally says:
    @utu

    Imagine in a real / legit court of law where someone claims that millions upon millions of people were murdered and dumped into mass graves which the locations are claimed to precisely known, but then could not produce the claimed mass graves and the alleged contents. They would be laughed out of that court.

    – Jews went where Jews are

    “After the war, many Jews stayed in Europe and many others scattered throughout the world, settling in nearly sixty countries. So it was that in the late 1990s the teams put in charge by Steven Spielberg of gathering survivors’ testimonies had to go to nearly sixty different countries to record the said testimonies on video”
    https://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/2009/03/alleged-holocaust-of-jews-is-proving.html

    Jews Transited through Treblinka, By Panagiotis Heliotis : https://codoh.com/library/document/6649/?lang=en
    WJC’s Stephen Wise said 1,250,000 – 1,500,000 Polish Jews homeless in Europe, outside of Poland, & alive after WWII: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10191
    INFLUX OF 3,000,000 JEWS; Tells Newspaper Executives in Germany That Refugees Have Created Grave Problem, JUNE 24, 1946: https://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=2160
    https://archive.is/Jw6EM
    Jews evacuated to USSR during war: https://archive.is/jA9iI
    and:
    more Jews evacuated to USSR during war: https://www.jta.org/1944/02/23/archive/german-lauds-russia-for-joining-intergovernmental-committee-for-refugees
    exc.:
    “Since the outbreak of the war hundreds of thousands of Jews from Poland, Rumania and the Baltic countries have been given shelter in the U.S.S.R., and many of them were permitted to pass through Russia en route to the United States and to Palestine.”

  34. The Israeli IDF murdered over 800 Egyptian prisoners in the Sinai and dumped them in graves they made the Egyptians dig , in six day war in 1967, most people have never heard of this, see the book Blood in the Water by Joan Mellen, and there is the ongoing genocide ie holocaust of the Palestinian people.

  35. Wally says:
    @Icecut

    LENGTHY, scroll down if needed.

    – Recall that at Nuremberg it was “proven” that the alleged mass extermination of Jews was done in steam chambers.

    – Then there was the claim that diesel was used, but after that was shown to laughably impossible the Usual Enemies of Free Speech have tried to switch it to gasoline, however lies always come back on the liars:

    … there is little to add to this description [the Gerstein Statement], which holds good for Treblinka and Sobibor as well as for the Belzec camp. The latter installations were constructed in almost the same way and also used the exhaust carbon monoxide gases from Diesel motors as death agents.”
    – Léon Poliakov, a French-Jewish historian who has written at length in support of the ‘holocaust’ story.

    – “Eyewitness” Yankel Wiernik claimed a Russian diesel tank engine was used for gassings.
    – American citizen John Demjanjuk. Demjanjuk was accused of having murdered at least 875,000 Jews with diesel exhaust at the alleged extermination camp at Treblinka in 1942/43.
    video:
    The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax Video:

    – As for Krege’s work:
    The 1999 Krege Report on the Treblinka “Extermination” Camp, By Richard Krege : https://codoh.com/library/document/6411/?lang=en“Engineer Richard Krege at work with his ground-penetrating radar equipment on the territory of the former Treblinka camp”results: nothing has changed since the last ice age.

  36. @DESERT FOX

    the Holocaust as seen by its perpetrators and bystanders, by 3 German authors using German government records

    What consists of a “holocaust” in your view?
    What is your definition, ie what do you allege the “holocaust” is?
    Who, when, where, how?

    Note, kangaroo courts refuse to define it, yet imprison thought criminals who “deny” this undefined event.

  37. Wally says:
    @Alexandros

    MISSING OUTBOUND RECORDS

    – The general numbers of those transported to various German work sites and to falsely alleged “extermination camps” have usually been determined by inbound train records.

    – However, outbound train rain records from those same sites, which of course were necessarily kept, especially with the vital need to know where all the trains and their loads generally were during critical war time, HAVE PREDICTABLY DISAPPEARED.
    We obviously know why.
    as posted previously:

    The Believers are big on the ‘where did they go’ reply. This canard is used for transports to labor camps. The story says that new arrivals that went unregistered were immediately gassed. The lack of records of outbound trains, the Believer’s claim, is proof of their gassing. Leaving aside for the moment the scientific impossibility of the gassings as alleged, their story just doesn’t hold up.
    points:
    – We know there are plenty of train transport records TO various camps, we have none which show trains LEAVING. Why is that?
    – Didn’t the trains go somewhere after their trips to the alleged ‘death camps’?
    – Does anyone really think the Germans didn’t keep records of where their trains went, full or empty during vital war time need for trains.
    – Would the Germans deliberately destroy their records of outbound trains while not destroying the records of inbound trains … so they could incriminate themselves?

    The lack of these outgoing train records is damning to the story.

    recommended:
    Inbound train records, but outbound records “missing”: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2355
    ‘J. Graf and the illogical canard: ‘Where did Jews go then?’ / & more’: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8272

  38. Saggy says: • Website
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The “argument” about the graves is one of the most absurd I’ve heard.

    There is no bar so low that the degenerate Jew liars will go below it. Of course there were no graves, because the Nazis buried the Jews, then following the discovery at Katyn decided that they too could be found out, and sent Action 1005 to the camps and the east to dig up the bodies and burn them. How do we know this? Nazi Paul Blobel confessed to being the mastermind and leader, you can read his confession here – https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/obliterating-the-traces-of-bodies-of-jews-killed-by-the-einsatzgruppen-june-1947

    During my visit in August I myself observed the burning of bodies in a mass grave near Kiev. This grave was about 55 m. long, 3 m. wide and 2½ m. deep. After the top had been removed the bodies were covered with inflammable material and ignited. It took about two days until the grave burned down to the bottom. I myself observed that the fire had glowed down to the bottom. After that the grave was filled in and the traces were now practically obliterated.

    So there you have it, no trace of the bodies whatsoever. This ‘confession’, like all of the holohoax, is physically impossible and preposterous.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  39. @Germanicus

    In my opinion a holocaust is the mass killing of people to eliminate these people from the earth and the Israelis also are guilty of this as in their murder of 850 Egyptian prisoners in the Sinai in the 1967 six day war and in their genocide ie holocaust of the Paletinians.

    The murder of the 850 Egyptian prisoners is revealed in the book Blood in the Water by Joan Mellen about the attack on the USS Liberty, which also could be considered a holocaust.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Skeptikal
  40. @Germanicus

    Germanicus.

    Interestingly I remember once talking to a very old East European communist who mentioned that he attended some Eastern block communist youth summer camp in Poland some 60 years ago, and that when they organised a visit to Auschwitz the German youths stayed on board the bus. After the tour when returning to the bus he asked the German students why they didn’t want to join the tour and they told him that it’s all lies what they teach there. Surprising that these East German communist youths were even then Holocaust deniers.

  41. Mulegino1 says:

    The alleged extermination/burial/exhumation/cremation story of Treblinka II is an absolute farce.

    According to the official Holohoax version, upwards of 700,000 Jews were gassed to death at Treblinka II (in close proximity to Treblinka I, which was a quarry.) The methods of execution vary from steam chambers to diesel engine exhaust.

    There were steam chambers used for delousing clothes, but the idea that they would be effective for mass murder is risible in the extreme. The diesel exhaust theory is a prima facie absurdity since exposure to such emissions is not immediately life threatening, considering that they contain more oxygen than carbon monoxide.

    Gigantic pits were allegedly dug for mass burials using totally insufficient equipment. One wonders if the pits were kept open while the doomed prisoners were led to the “gas chambers,” or if the bodies from every “mass gassing” were covered over by a layer of dirt- still leaving a huge, yawning pit and the stench of decaying bodies to face the next group of those to be gassed. If anything would have cause the prisoners to follow their instincts and run, that would have been it.

    Subsequent to the completion of the mass gassing at Treblinka II, the bodies were then dug up and cremated on railroad ties using twigs and branches and human fat as fuel. (No doubt the railroad tie story was gleaned from the mass burning – not cremation but burning for sanitary reasons- of the victims of the Dresden fire bombing.)

    The exhumation/mass cremation story is, like the others, a total absurdity. Massive amounts of dried and cured firewood would have been needed. Firewood takes months to dry and cure. It also has to be kept dry in some sort of warehouse. And we are talking about millions of pounds. The mass burning would have created an enormous amount of wood ash. The method of “cremation” described by the “eyewitnesses” would not have cremated any bodies- it would have led to mere scorching.

    Recent excavations at Treblinka II have turned up nothing commensurable with mass gassings, enormous pit graves or outdoor cremations of thousands, let alone hundreds of thousands. There is literally nothing there, and most likely there never was, save a few huts or barracks for the transit camp. Aerial reconnaissance photos of the camp immediately subsequent to the closure and dismantling of the camp show an undisturbed meadow.

    Treblinka II is emblematic of the big lie regarding Aktion Reinhardt, which was in reality a resettlement and expropriation action. The “camps” of Aktion Reinhardt were transit camps- not extermination camps.

  42. @DESERT FOX

    Are you saying priests and gypsies etc were killed deliberately in German camps?
    Yes? If so, please provide documentation, ie evidence.

    Israel is heavily Soviet influenced, they build memorials for the red army there, and host Ehrenburg’s hate filled writings, the jewish Soviet propaganda guy. The Israelis behave not much different to the jewish Soviets.

    You should really come to terms with the truth by now, tons on this site.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  43. @Anatoly Karlin

    That may work in the US or Britain, but not continental Europe, except Brussels.
    The Americans still exploit this unsettled score with “the Russians” in Eastern Europe.
    The reason why it is possible is the grotesque WWI&WWII narrative on both sides.
    The Poles tear down a monument of Soviet “liberators”, rightfully so, and the Kremlin and other usual suspects whine about it. They should reopen Soviet archives instead.
    The Soviet in Brussels also actively conceal the jewish hand in all of it, hence the “Russians” or the “Ukrainians” serve as visible enemy, despite all of them properly jewish to the bone.
    Washington’s poodle jumps if commanded, and the European Jewish Parliament cheers in joy.

    The EJU group was founded in the Spring of 2011 by Ihor Kolomoyskyi and Vadim Rabinovich

    The EJU hoped to establish a European Jewish Parliament, comprising 120 members modeled on the Israeli Knesset.[2][3] This group would then represent the concerns of the Jewish community to the European Union.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Jewish_Parliament

    This is one faction in the jewish “civil war”.

  44. anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @Saggy

    the bodies were covered with inflammable material and ignited.

    @John Wear:

    According to Polish-Jewish historian Rachel Auerbach, fuel to burn bodies was not needed at Treblinka because the bodies of women, which had more fat, “were used to kindle, or, more accurately put, to build the fires among the piles of corpses…” Even more incredible, she wrote that “blood, too, was found to be first-class combustion material.”

    conveniently supplied from geysers of blood from killing Jews —

    Geysers of blood at Babi Yar
    Dated: January 1, 1972

    How many Jews were killed at Babi Yar? Exact estimates are hard to come by. Some say seventy thousand, others a hundred and fifty thousand […]
    Eyewitnesses say that for months after the killing the ground continued to spurt geysers of blood.
    Source:
    Elie Wiesel
    The Jews of Silence
    New York: New American Library, 1972
    page 48.
    https://www.historiography-project.org/1972/01/01/geysers-of-blood-at-babi-yar/

    Devilishly clever, those Germans.

    However — Auerbach also claims that “the bodies of women, which had more fat, “were used to kindle, or, more accurately put, to build the fires.”

    All that soap material up in smoke.
    Maybe it would have produced the wrong color of smoke.

    from the Ernst Zundel trial:
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/controversies/liars/AFriedman.html

    “Over a two-day span, Mr. Friedman has testified repeatedly to seeing thousands of boys herded toward the crematoria, and of seeing trainloads of people unloaded near the ominous buildings.

    He told of how he and other internees even thought they could tell whether fat or skinny people, Ukrainians or Poles, were being cremated by looking at the color of the smoke.

    “There is no bar so low that the degenerate Jew liars will go below it.

  45. Agent76 says:

    Jan 30, 2016 Operation Reinhard: The Murder of Polish Jewry

    How did the horror of the Nazi death camps evolve? Auschwitz didn’t just sprout from the ground one day. There was an “evolution” of the murder machinery, and a cast of diabolical characters most people have never heard of.

  46. @Germanicus

    Read the book The Good Old Days, it is documented front to back, by 3 German authors using German government records and as I said Israel is guilty of the same thing.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Germanicus
    , @Wally
  47. Skeptikal says:
    @A SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle

    “Why tattoo someone with a number if you intend to kill them and then burn the body? Where’s the value added?”

    To keep track of them, silly.
    They were logged in and given numbers in sequence.
    People selected directly for the gas chamber were not given tattoos.
    The system was not monolithic and changed over time.
    You can educate yourself on this subject quite easily if you feel like it.

    In any event, no camps were “exclusively” extermination camps.
    All camps also were to one extent or another labor camps.
    Ditto, transit camps.
    Inmates had skills and camps had needs.
    They were a labor resource, like slaves in the American South, and often were moved around as needed.
    This comes out in many accounts of camp inmates and various log books, camp docs, etc.
    The presence of the Bunawerk at Auschwitz is just one example of a factory being located within a camp, near the labor source and a railway and various other resources.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  48. Skeptikal says:
    @Old and grumpy

    ” and yet nary a peep over that horror”

    Huh?
    Plenty o’ “peeps” for those who can pick up a book.

  49. TKK says:
    @mark green

    Keep in mind that the Holyhoax myth preceded the rise of Adolf Hitler by decades. There is irrefutable evidence that the claim of “six million” dead or suffering Jews was being publicized by organized Jewry well before WWI.

    Where? Post it. And not from your own website.

    Many Jewish prisoners undoubtedly perished during or after their rail journey to the Aktion Reinhardt camps. It is also plausible that hundreds and perhaps thousands of Jews who were too weak or ill to continue the eastbound journey from the camps were killed by officials acting on their own authority.

    We can agree these Jews were not on their way to an ice cream social. There were targeted for train pogroms. They were reviled and cast out from their homes. Their worldly belongings were stolen and appropriated for the Nazi Party. Photographic evidence and Nuremberg transcripts detail starvation, forced work and murder.

    Are the numbers inflated? I don’t know. But for you to blithely label this a hoax is intellectually lazy and appears to be motivated by a pathological envy/obsession with Jews.

    You show far more commitment to the topic than Israeli Jews themselves.

    • Troll: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @mark green
    , @eah
  50. @sarz

    David Irving is not a holocaust denier.

    Irving has accepted that the Germans murdered millions of Jews.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @sarz
  51. Saggy says: • Website
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The “argument” about the graves is one of the most absurd I’ve heard.

    When a murder is investigated the first order of business is the corpus delicti, so noting the lack of a body doesn’t seem all that absurd. The second order of business is finding the murder weapon. What do think about the fact that there no gas chambers have been found either? Here is a real Greek sword from the Peloponnesian war in 400 BC on display at Met in NY
    https://collectionapi.metmuseum.org/api/collection/v1/iiif/257576/1752237/main-image
    There are no pictures of gas chambers from 1940 AD.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  52. anon[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Why would they re-dig anyone?

    To destroy evidence when it was becoming increasingly likely that Germany was going to lose the war.
    And actually such attempts (not wholly successful) were made:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderaktion_1005

    Article by John Wear is of course garbage as usual, “revisionists” (mostly Americans who have no personal connection to WW2 Europe) must be some of the dumbest people around.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @utu
  53. @TKK

    mark green: “Keep in mind that the Holyhoax myth preceded the rise of Adolf Hitler by decades.”

    Hasbarist operating under the pseudonym of TKK:

    “Where? Post it. And not from your website”

    There are numerous, genuine newspaper accounts of fake Jewish genocides dating back to the 19th century. (Gilad Atzmon has labeled bizarre fantasies of the kind the ‘pre-traumatic stress’ syndrome).

    Fact: Dishonest (or just plain unhinged) ‘Jewish leaders’ published and proclaimed that six million (Jewish) souls are ‘dead, dying or in peril’ dozens of times and in dozens of locations and at different times–and all BEFORE the start of WWII.

    At the same time, Jewish writers and publishers were circulating incendiary (pro-genocide) books such as “Germany Must Perish” well before there was any military conflict involving Nazi Germany.

    This one, short video below indisputably documents fraudulent Jewish assertions about Jewish genocides that were not occurring and did not occur. This is pure, libelous Jewish fiction.

    It’s worth noting that this authentic work of investigative journalism has been banned on YouTube. Jewish censorship is unrelenting.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/EvyOjOORbg5l/

    • Replies: @TKK
  54. Robjil says:
    @anon

    Evidence that we had a Zion state religion since 12.23. 1913 is all over the place.

    When the FED ruled nations give up their Zion state religion then we can explore what happened in the Soviet Union, National Socialist ruled Europe, Israel, Nine Eleven and other forbidden areas of history.

    Galileo must be spinning in his grave and saying “Gee, I thought I dealt with a super state religion. This Zion State religion surpasses all state religions in the entire history of humankind.”

  55. anarchyst says:
    @Jon Halpenny

    Irving had to refute his own research in order to avoid imprisonment for holocaust ™ denial…

    • Replies: @Jon Halpenny
  56. eah says:
    @TKK

    • LOL: Trinity
    • Replies: @eah
  57. @DESERT FOX

    You are moving the goal posts. So what is “holocaust” in your view?

    Again, jewish behaviour in Palestine is simply jewish behavior, nothing “nazi” there, Mr “nazi” obsessed.

    As for your book, I would have to read it, but everything post 1945 has to be taken with total suspicion, I call BS on this claim. The allies licensed everything, which meant to toe the line.
    If the claiming side can’t produce any signed order to “kill the Jews”, I doubt they can produce it with your claim. Random documents is my guess.

  58. eah says:
    @mark green

    Reject the false meaning and significance of The ‘Holocaust’

    https://postimg.cc/68gyZLTy

  59. @DESERT FOX

    Are you serious?

    Gimme a break, just a freaking wikipedia entry is sufficient.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Klee

    T4 was properly debunked on this very site, you should perhaps read some links eg Wally posts.

    Tell me, what would be the reason for Germans to kill priests? The Bolsheviks already did that, and who the f*** fought the Bolsheviks?

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  60. Truth3 says:

    What happened to them?

    They gave birth to 2.6 million Jews in the USSR & Eastern & Central Europe.

    … 1.9 million of which moved to Israel.

    … 800,000 moved to USA with full benefits.

    … 30 of which are in the US Congress.

    … 4,986 are IDF officers that have personally murdered at least one Palestinian.

    … 3 of which are in the Band KISS.

    … 2,472 of which are Rabbi’s that molest children and get a way with it.

    … 4 of which have become Chairman of Goldman Sachs.

    … 5.7 million of which are collecting Survivor’s benefits from Germany and elsewhere.

    • Agree: Mulegino1
  61. utu says:
    @anon

    Article by John Wear is of course garbage as usual, “revisionists” (mostly Americans who have no personal connection to WW2 Europe) must be some of the dumbest people around.

    Very true with emphasis on the “garbage as usual” for John Wear and “the dumbest.”

    • Troll: Truth3
  62. Mulegino1 says:

    The murder weapons described by the official Holohoax narrative are ridiculous and logistical impossibilities:

    Zyklon-B was a commercially available pesticide used for safe and slow fumigation and delousing. Its use in the “homicidal gas chambers” as described by the so called “eyewitnesses” would have rendered it totally ineffective for killing anyone. The proper use of the Zyklon-B pellets for effective outgassing for the fumigation of a building was to spread the pellets in thin layers over the floor area. In the automated state of the art delousing chambers, the pellets were automatically placed on a mesh or screen and had hot air blown over them, and the evaporated Hydrogen Cyanide was then circulated all over the chamber by a powerful circulation fan, then extracted by another powerful extractor fan.

    However, according to the “eyewitnesses”, the pellets were dumped in bunches onto the floor of an unheated underground morgue through the wire mesh “Kula columns.” This method would not have worked. The pellets would almost certainly not have outgassed . Besides, there are no traces-virtually zero- of iron cyanide in the masonry of the so called “gas chambers”, while the delousing chambers have been shown to contain up to 13,000 ppm of iron cyanide (manifested in the blue staining of the brickwork which is a result of the Hydrogen Cyanide binding with the iron in the brickwork). There were no mass gassing chambers employing Zyklon-B in either Birkenau or Majdanek.

    The methods of execution for the Reinhardt camps as described in the Nuremberg tribunals are far more ridiculous than even the Zyklon-B stories. Execution by tree felling, steam chambers, atomic bombs (cited by Chief Prosecutor Jackson), electrified floors, and diesel exhaust. Of course, never mind that diesel exhaust contains more oxygen than carbon monoxide, so it is not deadly in the short term- it is an irritant and can, of course, cause health problems in the long run. But deadly? No.

    The Germans were neither stupid, or inefficient. Had they really wanted to kill all of the Jews, there is no doubt that they would have used the cheapest and most effective method as that employed by the NKVD at Katyn- a bullet to the back of the head.

    Lies generate lies, and then more lies. The “evidence” for the Shoah Business is a contrived and Procrustean type, designed to force the physical facts to fit the narrative, which is based upon the primordial lie of the 6 million victims.

    • Agree: Truth3, Dannyboy
  63. @Germanicus

    I stand by what I have said.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  64. Wally says: • Website
    @Bardon Kaldian

    LENGTHY, scroll down if necessary.

    – Desperate strawmen. No one said WWII remains disappeared, there are cemeteries all over the various areas. ex.: https://www.ww2cemeteries.com/
    And nothing about those WWII deaths defy laws of science like the absurd “holocaust” claims. Want to tell us how the alleged “Nazi gas chambers” supposedly worked?

    It’s your ridiculous “Holocaust Industry” that makes the mass graves, immense human remains claims. It is THEY who claim that millions upon millions of Jew remains exist in known locations, not Revisionists. Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable ‘holocaust’ storyline is the message.

    – Human remains do not just disappear. Recall the Czar Nicholas II’s family’s remains being found, and, i.e.:
    1000 year old Viking mass graves excavated, identified, etc., but no such ‘holocaust’ mass graves. Why? / +Treblinka: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10137-

    The mass graves were opened and the corpses were taken out, to be consumed by the flames of huge pyres (the ‘roasts’). The bones were crushed and, together with the ashes, were reburied in the same graves.”
    – Israel Gutman (ed.), Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, 4 vols., Macmillan, New York 1990, vol. 4, p. 1481-87

    A ridiculous story to be sure, but there it is.

    [MORE]

    Sobibor ‘monument’ supposedly over the remains of 250,000 Jew, actual remains of the alleged 250,000 cannot be shown.

    – :mass grave” at Sobibor. LOL

    Alleged “ash pond” for an alleged 1.1M Jew remains at Auschwitz, however these alleged remains cannot be shown to exist.

    Alleged location of Treblinka mass graves / remains of 900,000 Jews according to Treblinka officials, no alleged remains exist.

    – photo from ‘Surviving Treblinka’, by Samuel Willenberg.

    It is captioned: “crane lifting corpses destined for cremation”.
    Does anyone see any “corpses”?
    !! Excavation Result: No Claimed Human Remains of alleged 34,000 Jews as claimed at Babi Yar !! In fact, no remains period.: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11314

  65. @sarz

    My university in the UK still had several books by David Irving left

  66. TKK says:
    @mark green

    TKK are my real initials.

    I don’t know what a “hasbara” is.

    But I see no proof posted, no evidence, not one cite– provided where Jews claimed that 6 million Jews were murdered before WW2.

    A lie is a lie. You weaken any valid points you may have by overreaching.

    From Höss’ memoirs (Höss, Commandant of Auschwitz, 1959, p. 205):

    In the summer of 1941, I cannot remember the exact date, I was suddenly summoned to the Reichsfuhrer-SS [Himmler], directly by his adjutant’s office. Contrary to his usual custom, Himmler received me without his adjutant being present and said in effect:

    “The Führer has ordered that the Jewish question be solved once and for all and that we, the SS, are to implement that order.”

    Would you take that to mean a stern talking to, or relocation to cushy villas on the Eastern Front?

    You don’t have a shred of credibility.

  67. With apologies, Ron, who cares today?

  68. @DESERT FOX

    I stand by what I have said.

    Your narrative is part of the broader leftist “5 million others”.
    It explains why you have an axe to grind with zionists, but basically continue communist lies.

  69. @TKK

    You don’t have a shred of credibility.

    But you, who cites a “confession” extracted by torture?

  70. eah says:
    @eah

    A standard work about the history of the 6m number is The First Holocaust: The Surprising Origin of the Six-Million Figure, by Don Heddesheimer; it can be downloaded in PDF format here –> link

    At the same link you can watch a video about this topic — an introduction to the video (by Germar Rudolf) is here –> link

  71. @TKK

    Would you take that to mean a stern talking to, or relocation to cushy villas on the Eastern Front?

    Jews WERE housed in the “cushy” Wannsee mansion. It’s not unlikely that’s where the eponymous Wannsee Protocols were forged.

    Erich Mendelsohn built a “cushy villa” for Chaim Weizmann in Rehovath in ~1937, as well as a “cushy villa” for the Schocken family, owners of the major department store chain that put so many small German merchants out of business — a complaint similar to those in USA who complain of the destructive commercial power of Walmart, Home Depot (whose sales appear to be lagging) & other big box stores.

    Mendelsohn had hoped to parlay his work for Weizmann at Rehovath into a designation as official architect of the “international style” in the nascent Jewish state, but instead, it appears he was drafted to return to USA, where he and fellow Jewish architects designed German Village: an exact replica of working-class German civilians housing, that US Air Force and Standard Oil Company used to perfect methods and materials for creating firestorms.

    According to US Department of the Interior documents, it is unambiguous that the targets to be firebombed in the buildings Mendelsohn designed were civilian, and the intention was to incinerate as many working-class Germans as possible: designs and furnishings – arranged by set designers from Jewish-run Hollywood studios — specified furnishings including “cribs for infants.”

    Isn’t it interesting that Germans are accused of having planned the extermination of “every single Jewish man, woman and child,” by “industrial means,” but
    NO such plan has ever been discovered,
    but Jews working for and with the Allies are named in official documents in Allied archives as, indeed, making such plans, and the facts-on-the-ground in Germany bear witness that those plans were carried out,
    and yet no Jew has ever been brought to trial for crimes against humanity and war crimes.

    Rather, Mendelsohn is widely lauded in the Jewish community for whom he designed several ‘houses of worship’ and other “cushy villas.”

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @Incitatus
  72. Mulegino1 says:

    Would you take that to mean a stern talking to, or relocation to cushy villas on the Eastern Front?

    I would take it to mean that A: Rudolf Hoess was tortured for an entire week by British “commandos” and that B: He was threatened by his torturers with having his entire family handed over to Soviet custody. These are established facts.

    A+B= “I will write whatever my torturers want me to write and even embellish what I write to make them stop torturing me and threatening my family.”

    Torture can elicit any claims, no matter how wild or outlandish, including- as Alexander Solzhenitsyn referenced- the victim of torture who implicated Cardinal Richelieu in “anti-Soviet activities” even though the Cardinal had been dead for well over two hundred years prior to the Bolshevik Revolution.

  73. “Since human teeth and bones cannot be completely destroyed through open air cremations, myriads of teeth and bone fragments would have been scattered at the site of the former camp…The fact that large quantities of these have not been found indicates that mass exterminations of inmates did not take place at Treblinka.”

    After the dastardly Nazis buried thousands of jewish bodies in mass graves then exhumed them, in order to burn them, they, the evil Nazis, meticulously went through the piles of ash picking out teeth and bone fragments, because they’re just evil enough to do stuff like that.

    -Holocaust Survivor (I wasn’t there, but I could have been)

  74. Wally says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    – There was no “holocaust” to “reassign”. And you have no proof there was

    – I find your hypocrisy to be astounding as you feel free to comment here on the “holocaust” topic, but whenever you trout out the “holocaust” nonsense in your articles you then ban comments which are critical of your absurd & easily debunked “holocaust” assertions.

    A member of The Usual Enemies of Free Speech you are.

    Touche’

  75. Wally says:
    @DESERT FOX

    LOL, pure sophomoric silliness.

    – There are no real & actual ” German government records” in that laughable propaganda book or anywhere else to support your empty claims, and you cannot show them to us.
    The claims made within this absurd book defy laws of science and the alleged millions of human remains it claims exist in known location in fact do not exist.

    – ‘The Good Old Days’ is sliced & diced here:

    ‘The Razor and the Ring’, By John Weir: http://codoh.com/library/document/364

    ‘Irrefutable Response’ Falls Flat, By John Weir: http://codoh.com/library/document/2590
    reviewed:
    The Good Old Days’: The Holocaust as Seen by Its Perpetrators and Bystanders. Ernst Klee, Willi Dressen and Volker Riess, editors. Translated from the German by Deborah Burnstone. Foreword by Hugh Trevor-Roper. New York: Free Press, 1991. Hardcover. 334 pages. Photographs. Source references. Biographical appendix. Index. ISBN: 0 02 9174252

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  76. @mark green

    Right now Organized Jewry is using the Holocaust hoax to insinuate Jews into the ranks of the coloreds who have. as the Jews love to tell it. been persecuted and exploited by whites. Having worked to destroy white Euro national borders, the Jews are now claiming a non white status to protect themselves from the barbarism which is following the multiculturalism and denationalization the Jews have promoted. The richest white ethnic group in the west is now going to try to pass itself off as non white or inconsequentially white. The question is whether the coloreds are stupid enough to buy this.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  77. @Skeptikal

    People selected directly for the gas chamber were not given tattoos.

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha. That’s almost as funny as the thousands who survived multiple “death camps”, or the last of the group to be gassed was always the one ahead of Wiesel.

    This comes out in many accounts of camp inmates and various log books, camp docs, etc

    Actually, the camp records were in Soviet archives. When they were opened 30 years ago, they didn’t match the narrative.
    The question is valid, as are other questions about keeping shoes and numbered suitcases of people that you were going to kill. My guess is that the tattoo number matched the number on the suitcases. Tattooing was a way of ensuring inmates got their belongings on release, or Jews getting their belongings to take to the East.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  78. @SolontoCroesus

    Stop confusing people with facts.

  79. @TKK

    But I see no proof posted, no evidence, not one cite– provided where Jews claimed that 6 million Jews were murdered before WW2.

    Obviously, you’ve never looked.
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/repeated-claims-of-6-million-jews-dying-decades-before-hitler-vs-ignored-soviet-death-camp-tolls/

  80. Theodore says:

    It is claimed that three Operation Reinhardt camps [Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka 2] were “extermination centers” where over 1 million Jews were exterminated in homicidal gas chambers.

    Method of murder:
    1. Dig the thousands of bodies out of alleged “gigantic pits”
    2. Burn the thousands of bodies on huge pyres made from railroad rails
    3. Throw all the burnt remains, bones, teeth, wood ashes back into the same alleged “gigantic pits”
    4. Cover all the millions of pounds of physical evidence with “A thick layer of sand and dirt”

    Claimed death tolls at the alleged CRIME SCENE:
    – Treblinka II: 700 – 900 thousand
    – Sobibor: 170 – 250 thousand
    – Belzec: 435 – 600 thousand

    TOTAL: 1.3 – 1.8 million. To simplify the math, let’s just go with 1.5 million

    Quantity of remains expected
    A 2004 study published in J Forensic Sci titled “Cremation Weights in East Tennessee” found that cremated remains weigh on average 2350g (5.18 lbs) per female and 3380g (7.45 lbs) per male. The minimum recorded weight of cremated remains was 1050g (2.3 lbs) for a woman and 1865g (4.11 lbs) for a male.

    Keep in mind these figures are based on individuals cremated in a modern crematoria oven, whereas at these camps the alleged hundreds of thousands of jews were supposedly burned in giant open air pyres. Naturally this would result in a larger quantity of human remains + additional wood ash. We can use 5lbs as the absolute minimum weight expected per alleged murdered jew (it would actually be over 10lbs)

    Quantity of human remains requested from the alleged CRIME SCENE(s):
    – Novice: 1% of 1.5 million = 15,000 [OR min weight: 75,000 lbs / 34,000 kg]
    – Easy: 1/10th of 1% of 1.5 million = 1,500 [OR min weight: 7,500 lbs / 3,400 kg]
    – Child’s play: 1/100th of 1% of 1.5 million = 150 [OR min weight: 750 lbs / 340 kg]

    From Yitzhak Arad’s book “BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA” chapter 23, The Erasure of the Crimes:
    “The camp command was confronted with the problem of disposing of the large piles of ash and bits of bone that remained… Ultimately it was decided to dump the ash and bits of bone into the ditches that had previously held the bodies and to cover them with a thick layer of sand and dirt… [Eyewitness] Abraham Goldfarb relates: …’we secretly placed in the walls of the graves whole skeletons and we wrote on scraps of paper what the Germans were doing at Treblinka. We put the scraps of paper into bottles, which we placed next to the skeletons. Our intention was that if one day someone looked for traces, they could indeed be found.’”

    Fraudulently alleged mass grave maps (total #):
    – Treblinka II (15): https://archive.is/zz7UN
    – Sobibor (18 + 6): https://archive.is/oQMJv + https://archive.is/CH6WS
    – Belzec (33): https://archive.is/e96yU

    Ten Simple Questions:
    1 – Which of the 15 alleged Treblinka II mass graves can you forensically* prove contain the remains of at least 150 human beings (OR 750 lbs / 340 kg of remains): __?__
    2 – Which of the 24 alleged Sobibor mass graves can you forensically* prove contain the remains of at least 150 human beings (OR 750 lbs / 340 kg of remains): __?__
    3 – Which of the 33 alleged Belzec mass graves can you forensically* prove contain the remains of at least 150 human beings (OR 750 lbs / 340 kg of remains): __?__
    4-6 – Same as 1-3 but instead 1,500 human beings (OR 7,500 lbs / 3,400 kg of remains): __?__
    7-9 – Same as 1-3 but instead 15,000 human beings (OR 75,000 lbs / 34,000 kg of remains): __?__
    10 – How many of the 72 alleged graves at T2+S+B can you forensically* prove contain at least one milligram of human remains: __?__

    * to forensically prove the existence of a mass grave which is claimed to exist in a precisely known location, you must produce conclusive, bona fide, verifiable, photographically documented archaeological findings. In other words, you must post a photograph.

    It is not unreasonable to ask for photographs; all mass grave excavation guidelines insist that photographs must be taken of the mass graves. Some examples here:

    Mass grave excavation guidelines / The “Mass graves don’t produce photographed bodies” lie
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12889

    Remember: It is ILLEGAL in many countries to claim that these camps were not “extermination camps” but somehow we have not been provided actual photographic evidence that these alleged “extermination camps” contain even one “huge mass grave” containing the burnt remains of at least 1,500 (1/10th of 1%) of the alleged victims. There is no logical reason to NOT excavate and photograph the [alleged] mass graves as it is a legal imperative that someone believe they exist.

    U.S. vs. Prudden – U.S. Court of Appeals – Fifth Circuit – April 1970:
    “Silence can only be equated with fraud where there is a legal or moral duty to speak or where an inquiry left unanswered would be intentionally misleading.”

    Remember also: If the alleged Treblinka II, Sobibor, and Belzec “Holocausts” really did happen as alleged, then there actually would be numerous discernible extant huge mass graves filled with the remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people to prove it. So this is not a historical issue per se; this is clearly about – SCIENCE – and all that is being done here is the common-sense act of simply asking to see the alleged ‘archaeological proof’ that the true-believers insist is so ‘undeniable’
    Remember also – it is ipso facto proof of fraud – if a scientist refuses to answer pertinent questions about their alleged / insinuated discoveries.

    [MORE]

    • Agree: John Wear
    • Replies: @utu
  81. @John Wear

    @Wear, Wally and the rest of Wallyworld:

    there’s a reason why the Nazis, upon closing down Belzec (Dec. 1942)

    and Treblinka (Sept. 1943)

    and Sobibor (Sept. 1943)

    blew up the buildings, leveled the entire landscape, and planted it over.

    It’s almost….

    as if they were trying to conceal something very bloody that was done at these places. And ditto

    with the Auschwitz/Birkenau Krematoria.

  82. Theodore says:
    @TKK

    The “Final Solution to the Jewish question” was quite obviously not a policy of extermination, but: resettlement, deportation, and forced labor. That is what the documents quite obviously confirm.

    Please answer the 10 simple questions I have posted in comment #81

  83. Theodore says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Why would they re-dig anyone?

    To establish the existence of the alleged mass graves and to prove that Treblinka 2, Sobibor, and Belzec were “extermination camps.” You know, a baseless claim which is illegal to question in many places.

    By the way: Try answering the 10 simple questions I have posted in comment #81.

  84. Skeptikal says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Not all camp records were in Soviet archives.

    “When they were opened” is a simpleton’s explanation of historical research.
    Please do document.

  85. Skeptikal says:
    @Saggy

    Yes, there are.
    Jeez.

    • Troll: Saggy
  86. Brewer says:
    @TKK

    “Mr Reich Minister Lammers informed me that the Führer had repeatedly declared to him that he wants to hear that the Solution of the Jewish Problem has been postponed until after the war is over. That being so, the current discussions are of purely theoretical value, in Mr Reich Minister Lammers’ opinion. He will moreover take pains to ensure that, whatever else happens, no fundamental decisions are taken without his knowledge in consequence of a surprise briefing by any third party.”

    The Chief of the Security Police and the SD then gave a
    short report of the struggle which has been carried on thus far
    against this enemy, the essential points being the following:

    a) the expulsion of the Jews from every sphere of life of
    the German people,

    b) the expulsion of the Jews from the living space of the
    German people.

    In carrying out these efforts, an increased and planned
    acceleration of the emigration of the Jews from Reich territory
    was started, as the only possible present solution.

    By order of the Reich Marshal, a Reich Central Office for
    Jewish Emigration was set up in January 1939 and the Chief of the
    Security Police and SD was entrusted with the management. Its
    most important tasks were

    a) to make all necessary arrangements for the preparation
    for an increased emigration of the Jews,

    b) to direct the flow of emigration,

    c) to speed the procedure of emigration in each individual
    case.

    The aim of all this was to cleanse German living space of
    Jews in a legal manner.

    – authenticated documents from the Wannsee conference 20 January 1942 – just months after the date quoted by Höss under torture..

  87. @Trinity

    “Can you guess what that common thread was?”

    Wait, don’t tell me…I think I got it: The eevul joos?

  88. eah says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    with the Auschwitz/Birkenau Krematoria

    I don’t think it has ever been determined with certainty who attempted to destroy the crematoria at Birkenau — if/assuming it was the Germans, they probably did it to avoid a propaganda show similar to the one the Soviets put on after capturing Majdanek several months earlier (immediately after the war, it was claimed 1.5m died at Majdanek, many by gassing; now the death toll from all causes during the entire history of the camp is said to be < 80k, and no one really seriously believe anyone was gassed at Majdanek).

  89. Theodore says:

    John Wear:

    Holocaust historians frequently state that a mass of documentation would exist if Jews were transported from the Aktion Reinhardt camps to “the East”. Since such massive documentation doesn’t exist, they claim the Jews had to have been exterminated in the Aktion Reinhardt camps. These historians fail to acknowledge that the Soviet Union could have easily destroyed the documentation related to transports from the Aktion Reinhardt camps.

    From: https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2019/03/23/what-happened-to-the-inmates-of-the-aktion-reinhardt-transit-camps-of-treblinka-belzec-sobibor-in-poland-can-the-allies-version-be-trusted/

    Unfortunate you did not mention the fact that one Soviet bomb in July 1944 destroyed the entire documentation about transports of Jews to [and from] Belzec.

    Exterminationist sources agree here:
    “All transports with Jews deported to the death camp arrived at this station. Documentation about the transports, notably the transfer telegrams, was also kept in this building. In July 1944, two weeks before the Soviet army entered Belzec, the railway station was bombed by a single Soviet airplane. A German transport loaded with ammunition was standing in the station and was destroyed. Because of the exploding ammunition, all structures within a radius of about 250 m., including the building of railway station, were completely demolished. It was at this time that the original documentation about the transports was lost. https://archive.is/hg8iy

    “The railway documents were all destroyed on July 4 1944, when a lone Russian bomber dropped one solitary bomb over Belzec which just happened to hit an ammunition train standing in the station. The Belzec railway station was completely destroyed together with all the records.” https://archive.is/IZMJi

    “Belzec railway station was blown up and all records destroyed in July 1944, when a lone Soviet aircraft dropped a single bomb on an ammunition train parked in the railway sidings.” https://archive.is/narGq

    “The destruction of the railway station may well be the reason why no railroad documentation of the transports to Belzec has apparently survived.” (‘The Belzec Death Camp: History, Biographies, Remembrance’, p. 205, by Chris Webb)

    Recommended reading on the Belzec “Archaeological excavations”:

    Belzec: In Propaganda, Testimonies, Archeological Research and History
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/09-b.pdf

    Belzec or the Holocaust Controversy of Roberto Muehlenkamp
    https://codoh.com/library/document/975/

    Belzec/Kola – Going to Extremes to Sell the Lie
    https://codoh.com/library/document/349/

    • Agree: John Wear
  90. Skeptikal says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    “By the mid-1920s, both Moscow and Leningrad were around 6-7% Jewish, after the shtetls moved east.”

    I don’t understand the connection between the two points.
    How did shtetls “moving east” lead to more Jews in Moscow and Leningrad?
    Or was it less Jews in Moscow and Leningrad?

    What made the shtetls “move east”?

    I thought that Jews were trying to move west in the twenties. But maybe not Russian Jews?

    • Replies: @Jon Halpenny
  91. Skeptikal says:
    @DESERT FOX

    The term “holocaust” has become utterly useless.

    Not every mass murder is a “holocaust.”

    But certainly there has been more than one genocide that could be termed a “holocaust.”

    But since “holocaust” does not mean “genocide,” why use it?

    It is, in fact, an example of a rhetorical device: a term borne of hysteria that is made to exist outside a relation to any other event or time. Sui generis.

    This lexical discussion doesn’t mean that no Jews, or few Jews, or few anything were murdered by the Germans and other fascist govts during WW2.

    Establishing how many is certainly a worthwhile historical endeavour. The ubiquity and character of the H-word make this virtually impossible to do.

    But it seems like the “HoloHoax” folks are themselves so hysterical that nary a commenter on UR dares state that the genocide did occur, it is not a “hoax”. Many, many people were exterminated in many, many ways. including being gassed and incinerated and being allowed to starve or freeze to death or be worked to death, or die of typhus, or simply by being shot. The Hoax crowd will react like crazed zombies, outscream and out-ridicule such commenters and inundate them with comments loaded with capital letters etc. until the commenter drops the subject and decides to spend their time in more rational pursuits than in trying to dialogue with the HoloHoax zombies.

  92. Dannyboy says:

    Who fukin cares?

    Lol

    • Replies: @Theodore
  93. Tusk says:

    I remember the Abraham Bomba. in the movie Shoah, claims 5-7 minutes to suffocate Jews in Treblinka. Considering that this is very clearly impossible with diesel engines, much question to anyone that knows is how long would it have taken to gas people with gasoline engines if the chambers did actually exist?

  94. Theodore says:
    @Dannyboy

    Apparently a lot of people, otherwise there wouldn’t be individuals in prison this very moment for saying they were not gassed.

    Official list of Revisionist scholars persecuted / imprisoned for questioning the “Holocaust”
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12642

    • Replies: @Dannyboy
  95. Truth3 says:
    @TKK

    TKK (The Kinky Kike) says…

    I don’t know what a “hasbara” is.

    +

    You don’t have a shred of credibility.

    Funny. Doesn’t know himself, thinks he knows others.

  96. @Alfred

    As regards the killing of children, that is directly in conflict with the fact that there are so many survivors of these camps still alive today.

    The Germans abandoned tanks and trucks at the front, so the fuel could be used to fire up pits in Poland…

    The picture is getting clearer by the minute.

  97. Theodore says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    It’s almost…. as if they were trying to conceal something very bloody that was done at these places

    Care to answer the simple questions posted in comment #81?
    See: http://www.unz.com/article/what-happened-to-jews-sent-to-the-aktion-reinhardt-camps/#comment-3588066

    The camps were dismantled because they went out of operation. The fact of the matter is that even as transit camps, the mass resettlement of Jews was not something seen as uncontroversial. This is explicitly stated in document 3244-PS by Martin Bormann on the “Solution of the Jewish Problem”:

    “Preparatory Measures for the Solution of the Jewish Problem in Europe-Rumors About the Position of the Jews in the East.
    V.I. 66/881 of the 9 Oct., 1942

    In the course of the work on the final solution of the Jewish problem, discussions about “very strict measures” against the Jews, especially in the Eastern territories, have lately been taking place within the population of the various areas of the Reich. Investigations showed that such discussions-mostly in a distorted and exaggerated form-were passed on by soldiers on leave from various units committed in the East, who had the opportunity to eye-witness these measures. It is conceivable that not all “Blood Germans” are capable of demonstrating sufficient understanding for the necessity of such measures, especially not those parts of the population which do not have the opportunity of visualizing bolshevist atrocities on the basis of their own observations. In order to be able ‘to counter-act any formation of rumors in this connection, which frequently ark of an intentional, prejudiced character, the following statements are issued for information about the present state of affairs:

    Since even our next generation will not be so close to this problem and will no longer see it clearly enough on the basis of past experiences and since this matter which has now started rolling demands clearing up, the whole problem must still be solved by the present generation.
    A complete removal or withdrawal of the millions of Jews residing in the European economic space [Wirtschaftsraum] is therefore an urgent need in the fight for the security of existence of the German people.”
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=9280

    As pointed out, all of the documents on the “Final Solution” reference it as a resettlement / deportation [+ forced labor] policy: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12296

    And ditto with the Auschwitz/Birkenau Krematoria.

    Check out the anti-German propaganda after the liberation of Majdanek in 1944 if you want to understand why they had good reasons to destroy the Auschwitz crematoria before leaving, even if there was nothing sinister about it.

    In some cases, the crematoria were destroyed but not the supposed “Homicidal gas chambers”. Majdanek is an example, they destroyed one crematoria building completely but the other was only partly damaged a fire. The alleged “Homicidal gas chambers” on the other hand they made no attempt to destroy at all (they were actually delousing chambers used to save Jewish lives).

    Suggested:
    Germans destroyed the crematoria, but left “Gas Chambers” intact
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12617

    • Replies: @Saggy
  98. @Old and grumpy

    I never thought twice about your Holocaust narrative til you started pushing for laws forbidding mere questions. Whatcha hiding?

    That question is asked by more and more people. One day that bubble will burst and the house of cards come raining down…

    There’s a limit to people’s ability and willingness to keep swallowing baloney.

    Lots of people perished in the camps [way too many actually], but only one group singles itself out as the victim of it all. Quite selfish, isn’t it?

    The [estimated] number of direct and indirect Russian deaths courtesy of WWII is a staggering 43,000,000. Yes, you read that right; 43 million.

  99. @Germanicus

    The revenge tribunal established by the Lithuanians and Poles, being the majority of the city, has been horrifying. Thousands [of Jews] have been shot, and even now hundreds more as well.

    This passage is especially elucidating. The guy who supposedly murdered millions of Jews is horrified that a few thousand of them were shot as revenge for their previous (mis)behavior..

    Anybody who has critical reasoning ability and applies it even a little bit will become a skeptic if not an outright “denier.” The Holohoax is another of the unbelievably destructive Jewish fairy tales that, like the Yeshuan cult that is destroying Western Civilization and ultimately our genome, demonstrates their unique ability as storytellers and our apparent inability to distinguish between fantasy fiction and reality. In a thousand years, will Marvel’s superheroes be worshipped as gods?

    I differ I know from most other commenters here in that I don’t see the Jews however as the problem. Instead, it is the sizable cohort of our own tribe that is too stupid and/or gullible to appreciate clever fiction for what it is. The solution is ruthless eugenics applied to ourselves – let the other sub-species of Man deal with their own problems and focus exclusively on bettering our people. As long as we permit and even encourage our own semi-retarded fuckwits to reproduce with feral abandon, we will suffer the results such as belief in Semitic fairy tales and magical negroes..

    • Replies: @obvious
    , @Germanicus
  100. Wally says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    – Except that sham “holocaust historians” claim that immense Jew human remains exist at those sites in enormous mass graves whose locations are claimed to be precisely known They do not claim they were magically “concealed”.

    – And if what you absurdly claim was factual, then why did various teams attempt to excavate, yet did no find the alleged immense human remains.

    – And if what you absurdly claim was factual, then why do Jews claim that enormous amounts of human remains to this day exist in the locations which I posted photos of in this comment: http://www.unz.com/article/evidence-for-the-german-euthanasia-program-compared-to-the-holocaust/?showcomments#comment-3503380

    – The Los Angeles Coliseum holds ca. 90,000. But, according to Jews, ca. 900,000 Jews were allegedly murdered & buried at Treblinka, which would necessarily have left unimaginable amounts of human remains. In fact, Jews claim those remains still exist. That claim equals 10 times the Los Angeles Coliseum capacity shown here:Yet no such remains exist.

    • Agree: John Wear
  101. @Old and grumpy

    I never thought twice about your Holocaust narrative til you started pushing for laws forbidding mere questions. Whatcha hiding?

    Same here! But once I read a bit of the detail, the absurdities began stacking up like imaginary Jewish victims. I knew it was all complete bullshit when I got to the logistics of actually disposing of the mythological bodies. Apparently Jews think they are uniquely combustible and that the laws of chemistry don’t apply to the Chosen. It takes a metric shit-ton of energy to cremate a large mammal unless it’s a Jew and then apparently just a spark will reduce the poor Hebrew to ashes..

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @obvious
  102. @Trinity

    WHY are we still hearing, seeing or reading about what ALLEGEDLY happened to Jewish prisoners of war during WWII 24/7/365 in the year 2019? WHY does the HistoryChannel aka the HitlerChannel show Hitler/Nazi reruns 24/7 for FOREVER?

    The more salient question is, “why are we watching it?

    We have a “Reality TV” President, what sort of retard must one be in order to believe anything he’s told by the media? If you begin with the assumption that 100% of the noise coming from your idiot box is prevaricated propaganda and that 99% of the actual incident video has been “edited” to frame the subject favorably to the propagandists, you’ll be far better informed.

    It’s not like this is even difficult to figure out anymore – the media insists Bruce Jenner is a woman – how can one digest that and still conclude they have any credibility on any topic whatsoever? They’re no longer even trying to create plausible fiction, now they’re just phoning it in..

  103. Saggy says: • Website
    @Theodore

    In some cases, the crematoria were destroyed but not the supposed “Homicidal gas chambers”. ”

    The faux homicidal gas chambers were not destroyed at Birkenau, they were in the wings of the crematoriums, with the furnace room in the center. The Nazis or whoever destroyed the furnace rooms but not the wings containing the fake gas chambers. However the roofs of the wings did collapse in most places. Here is a photo of G. Rudolf inside one of the crematorium wings where the roof had not collapsed ….

  104. anarchyst says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Q: How many jews can you fit in a Volkswagen?

    A: 4 in the passenger seats and 10 in the ashtray.

    LOL

  105. @A SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle

    Exactly, there exist complete detailed records for the euthanizing of mentally handicaps, each and every one.

    Supposedly this “final solution” was the centerpiece of the Third Reich, yet no one was recording the details for posterity for the Thousand Year Reich. We have the torch parades and the Olympiad, the appetizers, but no main course.

    Not a scrap of paper about the orders from high above to those below. No clear definition of the objective and the tactics in any written form. Yet, six million were terminally processed by a few camps.

    Who was making the decisions at the scene? Based on what definite criteria? Without written orders from above, they alone would be accountable.

    “I was only following orders.” Prove it.

    Ignoring the facts that Eichmann and Himmler, the master architects of the final solution, were Jewish, as was over half of the Third Reich officer corps. No yellow stars allowed on a military uniform is a get out death camp pass.

  106. @TKK

    But I see no proof posted, no evidence, not one cite– provided where Jews claimed that 6 million Jews were murdered before WW2.

    Fair enough. Be ready to become a ‘woke’ person then…

    10 Old Newspapers claim Six million Jews Died between 1915 – 1938

    To quote Richard Pryor: “Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?”

  107. joannf says:

    In the end, the argument against the gas chamber “Holocaust” is initially to be made by asking why people who are accused of trying to “hide their genocide of European Jewry,” would go to the length of killing these folks with gas when they could have simply let them starve or die of Typhus.
    They must have done that to come over as more psychopathic in those Spielberg movies…

  108. obvious says:
    @Trinity

    Bullshit. American POW camps were the best for German soldiers, who were usually shipped to the United States and lived more or less freely among the rural population in States like Texas.

    Oh you mean hard core Nazis that refused to surrender until the bitter end? They got what they had coming is the best description. The problem with a certain type of German (even today) is summed up by a simple word: arrogance.

    • Troll: Tusk
  109. obvious says:
    @Stan d Mute

    how do you explain 2000 years of Christian European civilization? This is the heart of Western Man, and it’s noblest and highest expression too. You discredit your own people by calling LITERALLY EVERYONE FOR THE LAST TWO THOUSAND YEARS “halfwits”. You wouldn’t last a minute in a real fight. Everything that even allows you to exist at this moment is founded in real Christian history, which is Jewish and Greek at the root. Actually, as it reads quite clearly:

    “Jew Greek Scythian and Celt” Somebody made that connection in the ancient world, even without your help or hindrance.

  110. sarz says:
    @Jon Halpenny

    David Irving is not a holocaust denier.
    Irving has accepted that the Germans murdered millions of Jews.

    The question is why? He seems honest and intelligent and has mastery over the field. And he is willing to go to jail for some of his beliefs. So why this peculiarity of position? Is it some legal issue? The answer would tell us a lot about our times. He does have some personal oddities. He makes much of his soldier father who abandoned him and his mother as a child. He wrote a jingle celebrating his Aryan descent. And yet the mother who brought him up alone as a chilren’s writer was a Jew, as Irving has admitted in court. There are some funny forces at play. I wish someone would interview him on all this.

    • Replies: @Jon Halpenny
  111. @anarchyst

    That is not the case.

    As far as I know, Irving always accepted that the Germans killed millions of Jews. His main belief is that Hitler had no knowledge of the killings. Also he seems to deny that Jews were gassed in Auschwitz.

    The most that can be said of Irving is that he denies aspects of the German mass killings of Jews.

    • Replies: @eah
    , @Wally
  112. obvious says:
    @Stan d Mute

    That doesn’t make it “bullshit”. YOU are the ones with a face always pressed against somebody else’s glass, taking everything way too personally, always craving attention and identification, because you lack any real identity yourselves. This is the mark of the ‘gentile’: no identity except by comparisons.

    Why did you assume that any of it was other than cultural expression? People have different ways of speaking and what they mean by it depends on the race and culture, time and place. If you were busier being yourselves and not trying to appropriate, it would have passed unnoticed like everything else. Ask Serbs about WW2 and it will sound different than Croats, and the same is said for Poles, Germans and French. ‘Universal’ history is for real scholars and their adepts- this is supposed to be popular history. If is not to your taste, then why are you so obsessed with it?

    After the WW2, every nation was described demographically by “losses”. It is a civil calculation, not a story for you to grasp at with greedy fingers and pick it apart. The Jewish People in Europe “lost” 6 million souls because there were 6 million less souls in the demographic “after” than “before”.. Why is that hard to understand? If you ask “where are the bodies” you are asking the wrong question when you shouldn’t be asking any questions at all but instead minding your own business.

    Many millions of people from any origin were herded up into trains and shipped to their doom across Europe. Why is that so hard to understand? Would you have liked to join them, with your whole family, separated into different directions? These were civilized people from civilized comfort zones, not asiatic barbarians on horses. Even American Indians don’t like being separated or driven away or shipped over land by rail cars. It’s not complicated.

  113. @sarz

    “The question is why? He seems honest and intelligent and has mastery over the field. And he is willing to go to jail for some of his beliefs. So why this peculiarity of position?”

    Because he was a rigorous historian, who found clear evidence that the Germans were killing massive numbers of Jews. His book ‘Hitler’s War’, was written in the 1970s, when his reputation and finances were still in a good status, and as far as I know, he was not under pressure from the Jewish lobby. He freely states in that book that mass murders of Jews were carried out by the Germans.

    • LOL: eah
    • Replies: @eah
  114. @Stan d Mute

    Mar 2, 1943 (II.7.449, 454) **

    We are now definitely pushing the Jews out (aus…hinaus) of Berlin. They were suddenly rounded up last Saturday, and are to be carted off (abgeschoben) to the East as quickly as possible. Unfortunately our better circles, especially the intellectuals, once again have failed to understand our policy about the Jews and in some cases have even taken their part. As a result our plans were tipped off prematurely, so that a lot of Jews slipped through our hands. But we will catch them yet. I certainly won’t rest until the capital of the Reich, at least, has become free of Jews\.

    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/2/2/3109

    Nothing has changed much, huh?

    Note, throughout his diary, Goebbels writes until the end about expulsion.
    I know why english publishers refuse to publish it.

  115. eah says:
    @Jon Halpenny

    As far as I know, Irving always accepted that the Germans killed millions of Jews. … The most that can be said of Irving is that he denies aspects of the German mass killings of Jews.

    Irving’s views have changed over time, so you’d have to ask him what he believed and when (if he remembers now: he’s 81 y/o).

    Irving testified for the defense at the second Zündel trial in 1988; he was especially impressed by the Leuchter Report — in several videos of him giving talks after that (eg in the early 90s), you can see/hear him saying he advises Jewish friends that ‘the game is up’, and they should stop talking about gas chambers: the soap and lampshade lies had already been exposed, and it was only a matter of time before the gas chamber lie was exposed too — in one speech, he gives the gas chamber myth another 18 months (perhaps I will try to find this video) — so at that time at least, Irving definitely did not believe in the gas chamber part of the ‘Holocaust’ (at least re Auschwitz; but quite frankly, the other claims about ‘gas’, ie exhaust fumes, are ludicrous).

    So if Irving did not believe in gas chambers, then I don’t see how he could have “always accepted that the Germans killed millions of Jews” — because the gas chamber story is central to the claim that the Germans killed “millions” of Jews.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  116. Saggy says: • Website
    @mcohen

    Better still get off your fat ass and go to yad vashem instead of playing games on unz

    No need to make a trip, Yad Vashem has a web site, and there you can see the photographic evidence for the holohoax – https://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibitions/album_auschwitz/index.asp

    The Auschwitz Album is the only surviving visual evidence of the process leading to the mass murder at Auschwitz-Birkenau. It is a unique document and was donated to Yad Vashem by Lilly Jacob-Zelmanovic Meier.

    The photos were taken at the end of May or beginning of June 1944, either by Ernst Hofmann or by Bernhard Walter, two SS men whose task was to take ID photos and fingerprints of the inmates (not of the Jews who were sent directly to the gas chambers

    As you might imagine it’s pretty shocking stuff, for example the photo below captioned …

    Jews who were classified as ‘not fit for work’ waiting in a grove outside Crematorium IV before they were to be gassed..

    • Replies: @Theodore
  117. eah says:
    @Jon Halpenny

    So if Irving “always accepted that the Germans killed millions of Jews”, and he “found clear evidence that the Germans were killing massive numbers of Jews” (is “massive” the same as “millions”?), and he ‘freely stated’ that in his book Hitler’s War (1977), why would he have ever come “under pressure from the Jewish lobby”?

    Irving has never claimed to be an authority on the ‘Holocaust’ — however, since at that time he was widely regarded as one of the foremost Third Reich historians, and was known to have spent a lot of time researching that period in the German archives and other original German language source material, he was asked to testify at the second Zündel trial (1988) that, as far as he knew, there was no documentary proof that Hitler ordered or even knew about any attempt to exterminate the Jews — but like I said in another comment, he was very impressed by the Leuchter Report, and in the years following his testimony at the 1988 Zündel trial, he was definitely not a believer in gas chambers, at least at Auschwitz (the stories of gassings at other locations are equally ludicrous; most absurd are the claims of gassing via motor exhaust).

    You seem confused; one wonder why you are commenting here — ?

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  118. Trinity says:
    @Achilles Wannabe

    Most of those “coloreds” look at Jews as being White, and certainly most can’t tell the difference between a Jew and a white Gentile by just looking at them in the street if they are dressed in everyday attire. I am pretty good at spotting a genetic Jew by looks alone but even I can be fooled sometimes. Of course, this is assuming these people really are the Jews of the Bible and that the Khazar theory is debunked officially, which I’m not sure I buy totally, because many of these “Jews” look far too fair skinned and don’t appear to resemble others at all from that region of the world. Take a look at people like William Shatner or a few other Hymiewood stars. They just look like regular old white guys to me and most others. Of course then you have people who are obviously Jewish and a lot of people can tell by just looking at them, people like Ruth Ginsberg, Larry King, Jeff Goldblum, Howard Stern, etc., etc. Still those “coloreds” for the most part can’t tell the difference nor do they care, they view a genetic Jew as a “white person.” And most Blacks, Browns, and Yellows, will ONLY go along with the Jew if he or she is preaching to “hate Whitey,” because believe me, most nonwhites could care less about Jews and a good deal of them hate Jews as much as Calypso Louie. Only some twisted, white Gentiles, especially the Christian Zionist out there, have this disease where they worship a tribe of people who hate them. So I wouldn’t be so quick to call those “coloreds” stupid when it comes to this subject, in fact, it is white Gentiles who appear to be the dumbest of the dumb when it comes to following their Jewish masters.

    • Replies: @Wally
  119. anarchyst says:
    @eah

    You are correct. Irving was “encouraged” to “change his views” under threat of prosecution and imprisonment for “questioning that which shall not be questioned”-“holocaustianity”.
    I am sure that Irving’s true beliefs have not been shaken, but for public discourse, he was “neutered” by the jews.

  120. Wally says:
    @Jon Halpenny

    – You’re completely out of touch and grasping at straws.

    Irving is now trying to play ‘holocaust-lite’ after being released from jail for a conviction of Thought Crimes by Austria early.

    – Irving’s basis for his ridiculous claim has been utterly debunked.

    recommended:
    Irving’s ‘holocaust’ lite / but what ’2.4 million document’?: http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4548
    and :
    ‘Irving attempts ‘rehabilitation’ via the Hoefle Telegram’ : http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4558
    and:
    Grubach’s Open Letter to David Irving on his recent change of mind about the “Holocaust”: http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4563

    No alleged human remains of millions to be seen in allegedly known locations, no ‘holocaust’.

  121. Wally says:
    @obvious

    – What demographics?
    Massive numbers of Jews changed their names and / or did not claim to be Jewish since the communist states did not recognize religion. Even today most Jews do not claim to be religious, but still claim to be Jews. Hence they do not check ‘Jewish’ on censuses. In fact they told not to be counted, see:
    http://www.unz.com/article/one-third-of-american-workers-pay-is-being-stolen-heres-how/#comment-3459930 / comment #9
    you said:
    “Many millions of people from any origin were herded up into trains and shipped to their doom across Europe.”

    – LOL You recite exactly what you’re told to recite.

    – The narrative says that 6M Jews & 5M other were “shipped to their doom” and allegedly buried in enormous mass graves which “holocaust” historians” claim still exist in know locations.
    – Now get to work and show us these alleged millions of human remains.
    – After you fail at that, try to tell us how the alleged, but quite impossible ‘Nazi gas chambers’ worked.
    You’re in over your head, dude.
    http://www.codoh.com

    • Agree: John Wear
    • Replies: @roofus
  122. Wally says:
    @Trinity

    Speaking of blacks.
    Jew panties are really twisting up as blacks & browns are waking up to the “holocaust” scam. Lets see how Jews lie about this increasing phenomenon.
    recommended:

    African American “Holocaust denier” Chico Cromartie running for office: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12908

    African-American school principal seemingly denies Holocaust – gets fired: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12583

    Raspect – Rapper of African descent – denies Holocaust publicly: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12298

    27% of Mexicans believe Holocaust is a myth or greatly exaggerated: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?p=92440#p92440

    Jason Mostafa Ali v. Woodbridge Township School District – Teacher fired for teaching “Holocaust denial”: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12488

    Malignant impact of Jewish activities on Black Americans: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?p=94571#p94571

    Black-on-Jewish “hate crimes” in NYC soaring: https://archive.is/f0Yrg

    Black Leaders on Jews in America: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?p=91868#p91868

    • LOL: Trinity
    • Replies: @Trinity
  123. Fox says:
    @obvious

    Now you have to ask yourself who they are who make these statements with “shipping of millions across Europe to their doom”. As a useful source of information on the meaning of “facts” I find the booklet “The First Holocaust” by Don Heddesheimer quite enlightening. It’s not really a manuscript, but rather a collection of facsimile Newspaper article beginning in 1905 with a contribution of the New York Times.

  124. Trinity says:
    @Wally

    A lot of Blacks have become “woke” to the fact that the Swindle Whites Movement aka the so-called, “Civil Rights Movement” had more to do with empowering Jews and taking away the civil rights of the overwhelmingly White majority ( at least it was an overwhelmingly White majority at that time) than about empowering Blacks. Blacks have indeed benefited by the Swindle Whites Movement, BUT the main beneficiaries of this Jewish led movement were Jews. It was always more about hatred for the Gentile Whites than about love and equality for the so-called, “colored people” of America and this world. “War By Deception?” “Divide & Conquer?” Same old story that created the so-called “French Revolution,” and the so-called “Russian Revolution,” etc., etc.

    HOWEVER, the fact that Blacks and other nonwhites in America and abroad are becoming “woke ” to the Jewish plan, that doesn’t distract from the fact that it seems they will happily be on board for the “hating Whitey campaign,” even if it means being only lowly foot soldiers or grunts for the cause. I swear the nonwhites of America, Europe and all over the world are definitely more aware of Jewish power and influence than White Gentiles, particularly, Whites from the Deep South. Whether Christian Zionist or not, the average white Southerner is ignorant beyond belief when it comes to the JQ. This is why so many of these clueless Southern “white boys and white girls” are so proud to be in the military fighting “wars for our freedoms” right now. Talking to some of these people about Jewish power and influence in our country and abroad is akin to talking to a monkey at the zoo, they don’t want to hear it, they call you a “Nazi”, or they feign ignorance, it is PATHETIC.

    • Replies: @Wally
  125. Theodore says:
    @mcohen

    Thanks for the great links, mcohen. I like how they include over 100,000 Red Army soldiers who died in combat as “Holocaust victims”

    Are you too afraid to answer the 10 simple questions I have posted in comment #81?
    here: http://www.unz.com/article/what-happened-to-jews-sent-to-the-aktion-reinhardt-camps/#comment-3588066

    • Replies: @mcohen
  126. Theodore says:
    @obvious

    The Jewish People in Europe “lost” 6 million souls because there were 6 million less souls in the demographic “after” than “before”.. Why is that hard to understand?

    Ignores the fact that:
    – The Jewish religion forbids censuses and counting Jews
    – Jews who denied their Jewishness / identified as something else count as “lost life” despite being alive
    – Europe was plenty “anti-Semitic” after WWII, motivating many Jews to just deny their ancestry or simply assimilate
    – Depending on USSR population statistics as “proof” of some extermination policy they promoted is simply hilarious

    See:
    Issues with post-WWII Jewish Census Figures
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12735

    Many millions of people from any origin were herded up into trains and shipped to their doom across Europe. Why is that so hard to understand?

    Shipped to their doom? 1.5 million+ shipped into alleged enormous pits claimed to exist in precisely known locations?
    Please prove it by answering the 10 simple questions posted in comment #81:
    http://www.unz.com/article/what-happened-to-jews-sent-to-the-aktion-reinhardt-camps/#comment-3588066

    Would you have liked to join them, with your whole family, separated into different directions?

    I can’t imagine anyone would have “liked to” be in Europe during World War II. Everyone suffered, war is nasty. That’s not a “Holocaust” though.

    • Replies: @roofus
    , @roofus
  127. Theodore says:
    @Saggy

    Cool picture. I have some too:

    Caption: “Japanese Americans on their way to the gas chambers”

    Caption: “Extermination camp for Japanese Americans on US soil”

    Caption: “More Japanese on their way to be gassed in these camps”

    • LOL: Alexandros
  128. mcohen says:
    @Theodore

    No problem here is a great link on Lithuania that i personally support

    http://defendinghistory.com/tag/jewish-mass-graves-in-lithuania

    The 4 questions are better than the 10 questions.Try them,i am sure you will find the answer.

    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @Wally
  129. Dannyboy says:
    @Theodore

    Yes, a lot of indoctrinated sheep, taught to be ashamed of their race and history.

    Thankfully I am a member of the white working class, same as my forefathers. I am nothing but proud of my race and my nation. That will never change.

    The age of guilt is over. We will not apologize for achievements. Our history cannot be used as a weapon against us. We are in debt to no-one. Our glorious past is a matter of pride and joy to us. Whatever we have done in the past only inspires us today for even greater deeds tomorrow. Those who feel that we have wronged them should be happy they are still alive.

    Kai Murros

    • Replies: @roofus
  130. roofus says:
    @Dannyboy

    The white working class is an invention of the last 150 years. That’s not much of a race or nation. What are your achievements? Degenerate blue collar towns nobody wants anymore? Name a State or Country associated with the legendary “white working class”.

    Bowling Beers Bars and Bullshit…nice job, white working class!

    • Replies: @Dannyboy
  131. roofus says:
    @Theodore

    you need to read the post again amd concentrate harder this time

  132. @mcohen

    Better still get off your fat ass and go to yad vashem

    It seems the heart of holocaustiandom.
    They also host Ilya Ehrenburg writings, such as this lovely piece, which he named “Kill!” taken from his 1942 book “The war”.

    The Germans are not human beings. Henceforth the word German means to us the most terrible curse. From now on the word German will trigger your rifle. We shall not speak any moe. We shall not get excited. We shall kill. If you have not killed at least one German a day, you have wasted that day… If you cannot kill your German with a bullet, kill him with your bayonet. If there is calm on your part of the front, if you are waiting for the fighting, kill a German before combat. If you leave a German alive, the German will hang a Russian and rape a Russian woman. If you kill one German, kill another – there is nothing more amusing for us than a heap of German corpses. Do not count days; do not count miles. Count only the number of Germans you have killed. Kill the German – this is your old mother’s prayer. Kill ther German – this is what your children beseech you to do. Kill the German – this is the cry of your Russian earth. Do not waver. Do not let up. Kill.

  133. Theodore says:
    @mcohen

    Unfortunately your questions are utterly irrelevant to the article in question, whereas my questions are about the very camps under discussion.

    Why should I answer any of your questions when you’re not honest enough to even discuss the topic at hand? You did not even post any questions and your link doesn’t have any. Please answer my 10 questions.

    Yes, the Lithuanian people were quite unhappy with the Jews because of their espousal of the oppressive Bolshevik ideology. They made no secret of it. See:
    Jews and Communism in Lithuania (1918 to June 1941) https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12634

    According to this Jewish writer, it was Lithuanian anti-communists who massacred Jews and the Nazis only entered the city after the fact:
    ” It is a fact that more than half of the membership of the tiny pre-Soviet Lithuanian Communist Party, about eight hundred people, were Jews. It is also a fact that these Jewish Communists in 1940 and 1941 played prominent roles in the Soviet occupation administration of Lithuania. The most notorious interrogators of the Lithuanian branch of the Soviet security police, the NKVD, were Lithuanian Jewish Communists, and many such Jewish Communists manned the NKVD detachments, which randomly arrested and deported to Siberia the alleged class enemies and other so-called “anti-Soviet elements” of Lithuania.

    … No wonder then that as soon as the Lithuanians got rid of the Soviets (this they did in a national uprising on the first day of the Soviet-German war [June 22, 1941], taking control of the country long before the German troops were able to occupy it), a series of wild Jewish pogroms broke out in the country, the first Jewish pogroms on Lithuanian soil in the whole 600-year-old history of Lithuanian-Jewish cohabitation. It is believed that in Kaunas alone 3,800 Jews were killed during these pogroms. Along with these spontaneous acts of violence the Lithuanian rebel troops started indiscriminately arresting Jews for their “collaboration with the Soviets” in a more organized but not less random fashion. In Kaunas, the thus-arrested alleged Jewish collaborators of the Soviets were assembled in a huge garage and cruelly massacred there the next day. My father was one of the victims of that Lietukis garage massacre. The German troops marched into Kaunas on the day of this massacre only to witness the last instants of that bloody orgy.

    … As a Jew, I must reject the assumption that we Jews forever were just the faultless and powerless victims of other peoples’ abuse and injustices, and must admit our own faults, such as, for example: our certain insensitivity to some of the grave problems facing our gentile landsmen; our self-centeredness that only too often urged some of us to seek our particular goals without giving much consideration to how the achievement of these goals would affect the interests of others; the frivolousness that more than once led quite a number of us to assume that what is good for Jews must be even better for the gentiles. Too many of us, led by such considerations, were more than ready to engage ourselves thoughtlessly in all kinds of subversive and revolutionary activities threatening the integrity and even survival of our host countries. For this we have to confess our guilt.”
    – From an essay by Aleksandras Shtromas, a professor of political science at Hillsdale College (Michigan) who was interned during the Second World War in the Kaunas (Lithuania) ghetto. Published in The World & I (Washington, DC), February 1992, pp. 572, 577.

    • Replies: @S
  134. roofus says:
    @Theodore

    so what? you missed the whole point. EVERY definition “ignores” some things and “includes” others. Stop arguing with yourself, nobody else is arguing with you.

    this is what I mean by “gentilism”: you cannot follow a logical sequence and have to jump in with yourself. try reading the post AGAIN without arguments or changing the goal posts.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  135. roofus says:
    @Wally

    This is what I mean by “gentilism”: you cannot follow a logical sequence and have to jump in with yourself as substitute. Try reading the post AGAIN without arguments or changing the goal posts. Notice this is about your FEELINGS, which is super gay.

    “Revisionism” consists of showing up to a one man conflict. Try assuming that everything you wrote is true, and so is everything else anyone else says as well. It’s all just “perspective”.

    When I say “six million are lost”, it’s not an invitation for you to randomly show up with “corrections” or to find them for me elsewhere. It doesn’t change what I’m really trying to say, and was never any of your business to begin with.

    Nobody accused you of “losing” them for me, this isn’t a court of common law. That’s what is so convoluted amd off base about the misuse of this “legalistic” sounding terminology: “evidence” “allegations” “proof” etc. You shouldn’t even be involved, and “The Holocaust” should be a footnote in history, confined to a Jewish Studies department in certain universities.

    This is like arguing with Indians or Mormons about tablets and horse chiefs. It’s inane babble for pseudo educated idiots who think they’re smart but are too dumb to know the difference.

    Why are you worried about my story? Because of “gentilism” you make Judaism into a Big Business. It’s the same millennia old dynamic: you hate them and you love them at the same time, and it’s just rude.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Commentator Mike
  136. Theodore says:
    @roofus

    Looks like you missed the entire point of this article buddy. Shouldn’t be whining and complaining about someone trying to make on topic posts.

    I note you have failed to answer my 10 simple questions in post #81.

    I also note that you have entered a discussion on your own volition, specifically about “What Happened to Jews Sent to the Aktion Reinhardt Camps?” (The title)
    But instead, you get angry when anyone decides to discuss that topic.

    Curious, ain’t it? And somehow a person giving the “wrong” answer to that question (as judged by various European governments) is a criminal.

    Maybe you should go to another discussion thread if you’re utterly incapable of discussing the topic at hand. 🙂

  137. Wally says:
    @roofus

    LOL
    – Classic strawmen evasions along with incoherent Zionist ramblings.
    Put down the bottle.

    – I said nothing of “gentilism, Indians, Mormons”.

    – You revealingly dodged my points and didn’t answer my questions & challenges:

    – What “demographics?”
    – Now get to work and show us these alleged millions of human remains.
    – After you fail at that, try to tell us how the alleged, but quite impossible ‘Nazi gas chambers’ worked.

    you said:
    “Many millions of people from any origin were herded up into trains and shipped to their doom across Europe.”
    – Yet you have no proof of their alleged “doom”.

    Quit digging, dumsky.

    • Replies: @roofus
  138. @obvious

    If you ask “where are the bodies” you are asking the wrong question when you shouldn’t be asking any questions at all but instead minding your own business.

    That’s what I’m going to tell the detectives the next time I kill someone…

    • LOL: Theodore
    • Replies: @roofus
  139. Skeptikal says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    It is incredible that the HoloHoax hysterics are mystified as to how/why criminals would destory evidence of their crimes.
    Duh . . .
    The idea that Nazi officials and adminsitrators knew perfectly well to hide from the outside world what they had been doing is alien to the HoloHoax Hysterics’ logic or understanding of human nature.
    Duh . . .
    Just one little factoid concerning the “death marches” of KZ inmates out of the camps, to locations within Germany proper when the end (and the Red Army) was near:
    “The purpose [of death marches] was to **remove evidence of crimes against humanity** committed inside the camps and to prevent the liberation of German-held prisoners of war.”
    Duh . . .
    Honestly, the HoloHoax Hysterics ask the stupidest questions in their attempts to “prove” that the Germans and other fascists had no ill intentions whatsoever toward the Jews and other “undesirables.”
    Duh . . .

    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @Ron Unz
  140. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Adamant

    Seriously, you can’t accuse the Germans of killing millions of Jews while at the same time admitting that millions of Jews got dumped into your territory.

    Who is claiming that?

    So they just got pushed further into the interior as being inconvenient to The Narrative.

    What do you mean by this?

  141. Skeptikal says:
    @eah

    “You seem confused; one wonder[s] why you are commenting here — ?

    Yep, the HoloHoax Hysterics actually think they own any UR thread that touches on the history of the Third Reich. They take umbrage if anyone takes the trouble to talk sense to them.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  142. Wally says:
    @mcohen

    said:
    “No problem here is a great link on Lithuania that i personally support
    http://defendinghistory.com/tag/jewish-mass-graves-in-lithuania

    LOL, get out of town.

    – There is no DNA report verifying that the alleged contents are Jews.
    – There is no reviewable forensic report indicating murder.
    – There is nothing to proof that the alleged “mass graves” was even from the period under discussion.
    – In fact, no excavation is even shown.
    – In fact, there are NO photos of human remains.
    – In fact there is no proof that the alleged “mass graves” are a result of ‘Nazi’ activities and not the result of the notorious Soviet NKVD.

    – Perhaps you’re referring to this laughable sham Zionist claim which has been completely demolished:
    Lithuania: Ground-penetrating radar in Kaunas finds mass grave, supposedly jews killed by Nazis: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12230

    – And since you raised the issue of alleged “mass graves”, please show us the millions upon millions of Jew human remains that shyster “holocaust historians” claim exist in known locations such as the Reinhardt camps which the article above is about and you dodge.

  143. Theodore says:
    @Skeptikal

    It is incredible that the HoloHoax hysterics are mystified as to how/why criminals would destory evidence of their crimes.

    You mean like how the Allies would be expected to destroy exonerating documents they found which would refute their criminal conspiracy to blame a fraudulent genocide on the German people?

    Incredible!

    The idea that Nazi officials and adminsitrators knew perfectly well to hide from the outside world what they had been doing is alien to the HoloHoax Hysterics’ logic or understanding of human nature.

    Yet somehow they failed to destroy the incriminating documents that had nothing to do with the so-called “Holocaust”… oops!

    Kommandobefehl, Kommissarbefehl, and Sühnebefehl / “Nazis destroyed all incriminating documents” or not? https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12626

    And another point, which you predictably dodged:
    Germans destroyed the crematoria, but left “Gas Chambers” intact https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12617

    And, last but not least:
    Do you know what can not easily be hidden? Enormous mass graves full of millions of pounds of burnt remains. Well, those Nazis seemed to have magically obliterated all the evidence of these 1.5+ million burnt remains with a mere “thick layer of sand and dirt”

    Challenge to “Skeptikal”:

    Please answer the 10 simple questions posted in comment #81
    http://www.unz.com/article/what-happened-to-jews-sent-to-the-aktion-reinhardt-camps/#comment-3588066

    Let’s see if “Skeptikal” is willing to DEBATE or came here only to SPAM. 🙂

  144. Theodore says:
    @Skeptikal

    They take umbrage if anyone takes the trouble to talk sense to them.

    Are you volunteering to “talk sense” Skeptikal?

    how about you start by answering the 10 simple questions posited in post #81?

    A link, for your convenience: http://www.unz.com/article/what-happened-to-jews-sent-to-the-aktion-reinhardt-camps/#comment-3588066

    Ten Simple Questions:
    1 – Which of the 15 alleged Treblinka II mass graves can you forensically* prove contain the remains of at least 150 human beings (OR 750 lbs / 340 kg of remains): __?__
    2 – Which of the 24 alleged Sobibor mass graves can you forensically* prove contain the remains of at least 150 human beings (OR 750 lbs / 340 kg of remains): __?__
    3 – Which of the 33 alleged Belzec mass graves can you forensically* prove contain the remains of at least 150 human beings (OR 750 lbs / 340 kg of remains): __?__
    4-6 – Same as 1-3 but instead 1,500 human beings (OR 7,500 lbs / 3,400 kg of remains): __?__
    7-9 – Same as 1-3 but instead 15,000 human beings (OR 75,000 lbs / 34,000 kg of remains): __?__
    10 – How many of the 72 alleged graves at T2+S+B can you forensically* prove contain at least one milligram of human remains: __?__

    * to forensically prove the existence of a mass grave which is claimed to exist in a precisely known location, you must produce conclusive, bona fide, verifiable, photographically documented archaeological findings. In other words, you must post a photograph.

    Let’s see you “talk sense” Skeptikal, or are you afraid to get spanked? 😛

    • Agree: John Wear
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  145. Dannyboy says:
    @roofus

    Working class white people essentially created the modern world. When they were not otherwise engaged in exploration and conquest/settlement.

    Here is one of literally millions of examples.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Brearley

    A mind is a terrible thing to waste, roofus. Too late for you, I’m afraid…lol

    • Replies: @obvious
  146. Trinity says:

    I would love to see an honest poll on whether people actually believe the Holocaust narrative that we have been spoon fed for the last 70 plus years and counting. It would seem even the most clueless individual would have to at least question WHY we are still told to this day that “6 million Jews” were murdered when that symbolic number has OFFICIALLY been downgraded. YET every documentary, movie, or whatever keeps spinning the “6 million” number. This fact alone tells you that something isn’t kosher about this whole thing, that and the fact that people, ( historians with no political agenda at all) are imprisoned for even questioning the narrative. You can deny the Holodomor, the Native American Genocide, or even question the Irish Potato Famine or the famine in India, but somehow you must never question or disagree with the Holocaust story???

    THE TRUTH FEARS NO INVESTIGATION.

    • Replies: @refl
  147. @Haxo Angmark

    rather than wade thru all the pomo bullshit mobilized by the Wallyworld kiddies,

    Haxo has decided to to reply to himself re his brilliant sally: that is,

    one could also note precisely the opposite about all the Nazi camps that

    REALLY WERE concentration, labor, and transit facilities: Belsen, Buchenwald, Dachau, Sachsenhauson, Mathausen, Maidanek, and etc.

    left as is, undestroyed, PRECISELY BECAUSE they were no actual gas chambers at any of these places.

    and now, back to your sad little sandbox,

    Deniers of the Obvious.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  148. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    In Russia, the study revealed results similar to those in Hungary, with many more people having Jewish ethnicity than expected by demographers. 7.5% of the 5,266 DNA test-takers living in Russia had Ashkenazi Jewish ethnicity of 25% or more, making it the country with the third-largest percentage of Jewish ethnicity in the world, after Israel and Hungary. The larger size of Russia’s population (about 144 million) means that, in absolute numbers, the number of people with Jewish ethnicity there is very substantial. When setting the threshold of Ashkenazi Jewish ethnicity at 50% or more, the percentage in Russia drops to 3.1%, compared to 4.2% in Hungary.

    http://archive.ph/OWooe#selection-1307.0-1311.652

    Thanks so very much for sharing this information!

    It is a great confirmation of my prior research:

    Zeev (Vladimir) Wagner left for Israel in 1975. And in 1989 he returned to Moscow in an unusual status – a foreign specialist invited by the Council for Religious Affairs under the USSR Council of Ministers. Since then, his status has changed, but he still works in Moscow – the deputy editor of the Russian Jewish Encyclopedia. The reason for our present meeting was the phrase he threw casually: “All demographers are wrong. In Russia, there are significantly more Jews than there are specialists.”
    […]
    And I believe that today, after a great aliyah, the number of halachic Jews in the countries of the former USSR is about four million. And six million more are those who know about their Jewish origin.
    […]
    The same applies to Jewish-Russian billionaires. Half of the top 25 billionaires in Russia, I believe, come from a Jewish background. I know strong Jewish ethnic and religious networking, nepotism, etc. exists, but to achieve such a high billionaire density even the Jewish population has to be at least 2% of the Russian population (about 3 million at least out of the 150 million Russian population) like it is the case in the U.S. (about 6 million Jews out of a 300 million U.S. population).

    Not just 400,000 (which would be 0.3% of the Russian population) or even lower estimates, like some sources claim.

    http://www.unz.com/article/against-david-irvings-view-of-hitler/?showcomments#comment-2394694

  149. Incitatus says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “Jews WERE housed in the “cushy” Wannsee mansion. It’s not unlikely that’s where the eponymous Wannsee Protocols were forged.”

    Humorous tour de force S2C! Pat yourself on the back! You even got through it without mentioning Rabbi Wise (thanks for that).

    Poor Eric Mendelsohn. Again? You are indeed addicted to fringe pantomime. Don’t worry. I’ll keep your secret (wink, wink). None will know about a fellow Italian genius (you’re silently modest).

    Guilio Douhet published his influential masterpiece ‘Command of the Air’ in 1921, subsequent bible of all militaries. His recipe for warfare included

    The complete destruction of the objective has moral and material effects, the repercussions of which may be tremendous”. He added “aerial offensives will be directed against such targets as peacetime industrial and commercial establishments; important buildings, public and private; transportation arteries and centers; and certain designated areas of civilian population as well. To destroy these targets three kinds of bombs are needed – explosive, incendiary, and poison gas – apportioned as the situation may require. The explosives will demolish the target, the incendiaries set fire to it, and the poison gas bombs prevent fire fighters from extinguishing the fires…“No longer can areas exist in which life can be lived in safety and tranquility, nor can the battlefield any longer be limited to actual combatants. On the contrary, the battlefield will be limited only by the boundaries of the nations at war, and all of their citizens will become combatants, since all of them will be exposed to the aerial offensives of the enemy. There will be no distinction any longer between soldiers and civilians.”

    Guillio based his theories on the world’s first strategic terror aerial bombing campaign: the German bombing of London 26 Feb 1915 – 5 Aug 1918. 5,000+ bombs killed 557 and injured 1,358. Ah, the crude infant art of aerial terror! Leave it to a prescient Italian to realize the potential. Surely, like you, he was a student of Machiavelli?

    No need for mock-up villages, S2C. Oberstleutnant Wolfram Freiherr von Richthofen (attached to the Regia Aeronautica 1929-32) had all Spain as his Condor Legion laboratory 1936-37. Destroyed 70% of Guernica (same percentage as Hiroshima/Nagasaki) 26 Apr 1937 [Operation Rügen]. ‘Feuerzauber’ (elektron tubes filled with thermite) proved inextinguishable – no need for Douhet’s third-wave poison gas. Kill and learn!
    Richthofen rejoiced in the results:

    “Fear, which cannot be stimulated in peaceful training of troops, is very important because it affects morale. Morale is more important in winning battles than weapons. Continuously repeated concentrated air attacks have the most effect on the morale of the enemy.

    What a deep thinker! Sadly, he had a less stellar opinion of Italian allies:

    “Each Italian performance is utterly untrustworthy…And these are supposed to be our allies!”

    Aryan übermensch Clubfoot Joe seems to have the same opinion:

    “Our North African undertaking has cost us much materiel and blood. In reality the Italians are responsible when all is said and done. They ought at least to have prepared sufficiently to hold their overseas possessions. Worse than that, they can’t even protect their homeland. Our allies are certainly the world’s worst!”
    – Joseph Göbbels Tagebücher 11 Apr 1943 [Göbbels ‘The Göbbels Diaries 1942-1943’ Lochner Ed. 1948 p.324]

    And (not least):

    “The hundreds of thousands of foreign workers now employed in the Reich are a headache. The danger exists that intercourse between these workers and German women will cause gradual deterioration of our race. This danger must be checked by every possible means. But it is difficult to discuss such a question in public because the peoples and nations affected immediately take offense. For example, the Italians fight tooth-and-nail against being regarded as racially inferior to, or even different from, ourselves.
    – Joseph Göbbels Tagebücher 15 Feb 1942 [Göbbels ‘The Göbbels Diaries 1942-1943’ Lochner Ed. 1948 p.88]

    What’s up with that S2C? Ever try (as an inferior Italian) to mate with überfrau of Clubfoot’s race? Guess not. Doubtless, like those Greek myths, you’d burn up!

    Back to Italians. It’s almost as if Germans thought them the biggest impediment to Nazi victory. What would Rabbi Wise think about that?

    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @mcohen
  150. Skeptikal says:
    @Theodore

    “how about you start by answering the 10 simple questions posited in post #81?”

    I am not obliged to follow orders from you or other HoloHoax Hysterics to answer your silly techo-questions.
    You and your HoloHoax Hysterical pals actually think that you are so sage as to be called on to set the rules for historical inquiry into the WW2 catastrophe.
    It is laughable.
    There is plenty of information out there for those who are interested and actually want to understand what really happened, and why, and how—as opposed to pursuing an agenda to discredit any info that goes against their HoloHoax Hysterical assertions.
    Especially for those who speak German and other European languages.
    To those who do provide relevant information the HoloHoax Hysterics’ standard retort is that the source is “unreliable” or even “notoriously unreliable.”

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Theodore
  151. Theodore says:
    @Incitatus

    What would Rabbi Wise think about that?

    I wonder what Incitatus thinks about the simple question that is displayed as the title of this web page:

    What Happened to Jews Sent to the Aktion Reinhardt Camps?

    Maybe it’s not something Incitatus wants to discuss, even though he chose to post in the comments section of this article. Maybe he would rather talk about how some Nazis hated Jews, as if anyone disputes that. I doubt he would want to talk about how 13% of Americans were polled in December 1944 and stated that they supported exterminating the entire population of Japan after the war. (DOI: 10.2307/3023943)

    Maybe Incitatus would want to talk about some other irrelevant nonsense. Maybe he just came here to spam and derail. But maybe, just maybe, he is actually mature enough to discuss the subject of this article. After reading Wear’s article, I suggest a starting point at my comment #81, which includes 10 simple questions that are far easier to answer than John Wear’s question.

    A link, for your convenience: http://www.unz.com/article/what-happened-to-jews-sent-to-the-aktion-reinhardt-camps/#comment-3588066
    The relevant excerpt (I really suggest you read the whole comment + Wear’s article, which you haven’t read):

    Ten Simple Questions:
    1 – Which of the 15 alleged Treblinka II mass graves can you forensically* prove contain the remains of at least 150 human beings (OR 750 lbs / 340 kg of remains): __?__
    2 – Which of the 24 alleged Sobibor mass graves can you forensically* prove contain the remains of at least 150 human beings (OR 750 lbs / 340 kg of remains): __?__
    3 – Which of the 33 alleged Belzec mass graves can you forensically* prove contain the remains of at least 150 human beings (OR 750 lbs / 340 kg of remains): __?__
    4-6 – Same as 1-3 but instead 1,500 human beings (OR 7,500 lbs / 3,400 kg of remains): __?__
    7-9 – Same as 1-3 but instead 15,000 human beings (OR 75,000 lbs / 34,000 kg of remains): __?__
    10 – How many of the 72 alleged graves at T2+S+B can you forensically* prove contain at least one milligram of human remains: __?__

    * to forensically prove the existence of a mass grave which is claimed to exist in a precisely known location, you must produce conclusive, bona fide, verifiable, photographically documented archaeological findings. In other words, you must post a photograph.

    • Agree: John Wear
    • Replies: @Incitatus
  152. Theodore says:
    @Skeptikal

    I am not obliged to follow orders from you or other HoloHoax Hysterics to answer your silly techo-questions.

    I guess it’s not in the guidelines of Unz to post actual on-topic comments related to the subject/article under discussion. But it’s generally considered spamming/derailing to not do this, I guess you’re OK being labelled a spammer though. Probably that is your goal.

    You and your HoloHoax Hysterical pals actually think that you are so sage as to be called on to set the rules for historical inquiry into the WW2 catastrophe.

    Actually I am referencing to the mass grave excavation guidelines set about by the UN, and other archeological experts.
    But I guess if you can just throw anyone in prison who dares to question the silly story, you don’t need to prove it. Naturally, that won’t work on this website

    There is plenty of information out there for those who are interested and actually want to understand what really happened, and why, and how—as opposed to pursuing an agenda to discredit any info that goes against their HoloHoax Hysterical assertions.

    Claims the person who:
    – Ignores all the points posted in Wear’s article
    – Ignores the 10 simple questions which require only numerical answers, despite posting excessive spam
    – Posts no “information” refuting Wear’s article or any posts made in this comments thread
    – Accuses those trying to discuss the topic at hand of having an “agenda” while spamming and derailing the comments thread
    – Has posted no “info” therefore nobody could have possibly tried to “discredit” it

    Very odd.

    To those who do provide relevant information the HoloHoax Hysterics’ standard retort is that the source is “unreliable” or even “notoriously unreliable.”

    According to you, who is incapable of:
    – providing “relevant information”
    – refuting any of the actual “relevant information” posted in the article
    – refuting any of the actual “relevant information” posted in the various comments
    – posting a single on-topic post in response to the question: “What Happened to Jews Sent to the Aktion Reinhardt Camps?”

    Skeptikal: afraid to debate because he knows he would get ruthlessly spanked

    • Agree: Daniel Rich
  153. roofus says:
    @Daniel Rich

    let me know the next time you are investigated for not doing something.

    you people are addicted to the story as much as anyone

  154. Theodore says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    So now Haxo Angmark claims there were no homicidal gas chambers at Majdanek.
    Interesting, I guess Haxo Angmark is a “Holocaust Denier” after all 🙂

    And of course, there were no homicidal gas chambers at Sobibor, Belzec, or Treblinka II (the camps mentioned in Wear’s article). So, to answer the question:
    “What Happened to Jews Sent to the Aktion Reinhardt Camps?”

    Haxo will say “They were not gassed”
    Naturally, he has 0 evidence that they were.

    And for that matter, nobody was gassed at Auschwitz:

    [MORE]

  155. roofus says:
    @Wally

    go look up the word “doom”. it means “fate”.

    still arguing with yourself, and hard of listening.

  156. refl says:
    @mcohen

    Best go there by way of Deir Yassin

    https://www.deiryassin.org/

    If an argument is still needed against the Holodefense departement, a look at the ignorance of the way they argue should do.
    Apart from that, the question I want to see answered is, how can the population movements of the deportations be traced and where did the people end up.

    There are enough dark stories to be found here and the gas chamber myth is blocking the way to any serious discussion.

    • Replies: @obvious
  157. refl says:
    @Trinity

    I would love to see an honest poll on whether people actually believe the Holocaust narrative that we have been spoon fed for the last 70 plus years and counting.

    Don’t hold your breath. It is worse, in fact: The Holocaust story has set the tone for any atrocity history ever to be told in the future. When ever you try to tell people about any historical act of political violence, they are only interested in elevated death tolls. Most people, on being told that state violence includes more then putting to death people in huge numbers in the most deranged fashion, will find it difficult even to concentrate on what you are telling them.
    This is the reason why the Western empire can get away with its regular atrocities: They never mean it, it just so happens along the way.

    When you look at Nazi atrocities from that perspective, you will come to the real story: The plan to deport Jews eastward, letting them die along the way or not, hardly ever carried out systematicaly, but with tremendous incidental violence.
    And then the whole thing gets stuck, because the territory to be conquered cannot be conquered. At the end stands the final calamity of detainees being hoarded in ever more inadequate camps in ever more lethal conditions.
    That should be enough disaster to chew on. So no need for hoaxes.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @obvious
    , @S
  158. obvious says:
    @refl

    wow an intelligent comment for once. so few people understand it and your point is well taken. notice that most “revisionists” don’t get it either, for all the same reasons.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  159. obvious says:
    @refl

    The question has a very simple answer: millions of people left Europe before, during and especially after the war.

    The Israeli population grew by one million newcomers at that time, another million at least throughout the British Commonwealth. A million went to Latin America, and 2 million to North America, over the period 1933-1953. Another million people were uprooted and moved within Europe, besides the Soviet Union. And with so many people moving, being moved, and leaving the Continent, less babies are born and more old people die, so the population shrinks even more. And there is assimilation, which has been noted by some posters. Besides the war itself, and everything else.

    All of this is documented in mainstream Jewish history publications, with maps and arrows showing population movements, etc. It’s all “official” and very public, nothing subversive or seditious.

    This is where everyone gets stuck, because the War was not an “event”, or something that “happened”. The Holocaust did not happen because World War Two did not just “happen”. It is an unfolding circumstance over twenty years of time. So when people speak of “the Holocaust”, they are talking about an experience, a shared narrative, an epic journey.

    The Revisionists don’t like that, because their star has no show. Hence the endless appropriation of another’s work and story. Notice it doesn’t take bullshit “forensic” investigations and decades of haranguing demands for attention, just simple common sense and about 15 minutes of research. Instead of getting hung up on “myths”, which are always valid and real. It’s all somebody’s perspective, and that applies to Arabs and Jews just as well, English and Irish, Germans and Poles, Croats and Serbs, etc.

  160. Ron Unz says:
    @Skeptikal

    As I’ve repeated emphasized, throughout most of my adult life I never paid any attention to the Jewish Holocaust but vaguely assumed it was basically true. And the sum-total of all the time I’ve spent investigating the complex subject is probably just a few weeks, surely dwarfed by the vast efforts of many of the participants on both sides of this current debate.

    The idea that Nazi officials and adminsitrators knew perfectly well to hide from the outside world what they had been doing is alien to the HoloHoax Hysterics’ logic or understanding of human nature.

    But in glancing over this new Holocaust thread, I noticed that a certain highly-emotional JFK hagiographer was asking a few questions, so I guess I might as well repeat a few of my own from a month or two ago, since I felt I never received a satisfactory answer.

    (1) If we believe that the Nazis exterminated around 6 million Jews, substantially in gas chambers, that would certainly have been the most astonishing, industrial-scale massacre of civilians in world history, and would have represented a pretty significant fraction of all the WWII dead in the European theater. Obviously, a very, VERY big deal.

    Yet the massive post-war memoirs of Eisenhower, Churchill, and De Gaulle, which total some 7,000 pages, supposedly contain virtually no indications of those gigantic events, which seems utterly inexplicable, since they obviously would have constituted the strongest possible justification for the war that had been fought.

    Holocaust-skeptics would obviously argue that those three top Allied leaders knew perfectly well that the story was a hoax and they assumed that within a few years it would be universally recognized as such. Therefore, they reasonably feared that mentioning it in their books would make them look totally ridiculous to future generations and therefore avoided the subject.

    But how exactly do Holocaust-adherents explain this utterly astonishing lapse?

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/#explicit-and-implicit-holocaust-denial-after-world-war-ii

    (2) Prof. John Beaty had held a crucial position in American Military Intelligence during WWII, being responsible for summarizing all available Intelligence information into a daily digest to be distributed to the White House and other top American leaders. In 1951, he published The Iron Curtain Over America harshly denouncing Jewish political subversion.

    In that book, he devoted a page or two to casually ridiculing what he described as the totally absurd “Jewish Holocaust” myth of WWII, which seemed to have already been largely forgotten as a piece of absurd postwar propaganda except perhaps among a few diehard Jewish fanatics.

    His book drew ferocious attacks by the ADL and other Jewish groups, yet none of them seem to have challenged his ridicule of the Holocaust as a propaganda hoax. Moreover, his book became a huge national conservative best-seller and won the glowing endorsement of numerous top American generals. Wouldn’t this suggest that almost no one of high political or military rank believed in the reality of the Holocaust just a few years after WWII?

    Prof. Revilo Oliver had also been a high-ranking figure in American Military Intelligence during WWII. In 1981, he published his memoirs, also ridiculing the supposed Holocaust, but expressing total amazement that the hoax had become so widely believed after 35 years and wondering just how long that strange situation would continue. It seems very clear that Oliver didn’t believe in the reality of the Holocaust, and given his wartime role, he probably would have had access to solid information.

    How do believers in the Holocaust explain these facts?

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-secrets-of-military-intelligence/

    http://www.unz.com/article/evidence-for-the-german-euthanasia-program-compared-to-the-holocaust/?showcomments#comment-3506848

    Perhaps you or someone else has finally come up with a satisfactory explanation of these anomalies in the month or two since I first presented them.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @obvious
    , @Anonymous
    , @Saggy
  161. obvious says:
    @Dannyboy

    So the middle class had nothing to do with it? How about the upper class? Lumpenproles? Were any of the American Founding Fathers “working class”? How about all the pioneers and frontier people? It’s a sign of desperation that you need heroes to feed your frail ego.

    Nobody heard of the term “working class” until the 20th century more or less, unless they were Socialist preachers. You have produced nothing I can see but decrepit places like Detroit and Youngstown and Reading Pa. There is nobody alive at this point who is the heir of anything but nonsense and drugs. You may not claim the achievements of others, and you haven’t achieved anything yourself. At this point “working class” means ‘retarded’, ‘obsolete’, ‘lazy moron’ and ‘drug addict’.

    • Replies: @Dannyboy
  162. Wally says:
    @mcohen

    said:
    “Better still get off your fat ass and go to yad vashem instead of playing games on unz”

    – Hilarious. No doubt you believe that Mickey Mouse & Minnie are real after visiting Disneyland.
    – So do tell. What is at that Fantasy Theme Park that proves the impossible “holocaust” narrative?

    Perhaps something like:

    U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum displays standard German air-raid shelter door, describing it as the door to a gas chamber at Majdanek. see text: http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DT/gcturen.html
    images from link:http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DT/gcturen_files/doorcasting.jpgor:
    Gas Van Film and Photo Fraud / German News Magazine and Simon Wiesenthal Center’s Museum Caught Faking Photo and Film Captions: http://codoh.com/library/document/3276
    ex.:



    – Then there’s this fake photo used at all the Holocaust Fantasy Theme Parks:
    A Closer look at a German “Atrocity Photo”, By David Thomas:
    https://codoh.com/library/document/912/
    https://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=2436&mode=view
    much more:
    Fake & infamous “execution” photograph: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12903

    • Replies: @mcohen
  163. @obvious

    Do you mean that while the Jews lost 6 million souls, they only lost abut seven hundred thousand bodies?
    Good Talmudic reasoning.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @obvious
  164. Wally says:
    @Ron Unz

    Briefly, Ron

    Of the alleged ‘6,000,000’ Jews, ‘4,000,000’ are claimed to have been gassed.

    And don’t forget about the other alleged ‘5,000,000 / “millions” of others’ which are said to have been murdered in the same ways as Jews.

    Yet the claimed human remains for these gazillions, in spite of being claimed to exist in known locations, are nowhere to be seen.

    Kudos to you for allowing free speech.

  165. obvious says:
    @Ron Unz

    Because it is a BELIEF and can easily exist at the same time as many facts. Belief and Fact are separate dimensions of human consciousness. Belief interprets facts and generates more facts to support Belief. It was put this way by a well known writer: “some things are true but never happened. some things happened but aren’t true”.

    You are falling into the trap of “materialification” or reification. All of these questions are always false because it relies on comparisons, and all comparisons are always false because they are hateful. Why would anyone ridicule a myth? Myths are attractive, repellent, interesting, boring, but cannot be “challenged” like it was an allegation. All this misuse of words like “proof”, “evidence”, “claims”, “alleged”….does not apply.

    The lead article is wrong for some right reasons, and right for some wrong reasons, but it is generally a jumble of attention seeking hysteria. 70 years later they are still going on about this. It is similar to “revising” the history of the Confederacy in the American Civil War, trying to “debunk” the national myth. Guess what? The myth is stronger, because it is more real, and reality counts much more than facts ever will. It’s all about hiding shame and inadequence.

    “Go earn your own myths, and build something along the way” – me

  166. @obvious

    No it’s not an intelligent comment; it maintains the assumption that WWII was all about Jews.
    It wasn’t about the Jews, although a very strong case can be made that world war came about at the direct instigation of Jews.

    Almost 5 years ago Robert Cohen made this statement on the Mondoweiss blog:

    “Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. If anything, today’s school children are in danger of thinking that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin went to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews.”

    Each sentence is explosive:
    If holocaust denial is a “fringe issue,” why are efforts to penalize it increasing?

    “Documentation secure in its veracity” —
    Several points:
    a. It takes approximately two generations before objective history can be written. The first round of history, so soon after an event, is emotion-laden and agenda-driven.

    b. In most previous wars, documentation was not accessible for many years. WWII was unique in all of history in that tons of German documents were removed from Germany by Allies, stored in Alexandria, VA, then sorted, copied; originals returned to Germany, copies archived by US, the work carried out by a small group led by Jewish ‘partisans’ — Gerhard Weinberg chief among them. The “German archive” had been under the directorship of another Jewish person, Robert Wolfe, for over. 30 years; he controlled who had access to what documents. Jewish researchers/writers received preferential access to the “German archive.”

    c. Other archives have not yet been opened — Russian archives were opened for a time, but are no longer. I’m not aware that Israel’s archives have been fully open. Some American documents are still sealed.

    d. The biggest constraint on the “veracity” of documentation of alleged holocaust is that countervailing evidence is censored and punished: in Germany, attorneys who defend clients accused of the crime of ‘denying the holocaust’ are themselves imprisoned if they present evidence or arguments that prove a position contrary to the “veracity” of the holocaust narrative.

    re The last sentence: How did schoolchildren come to believe that the war was all about what was happening to the Jews?
    Jews told them so, relentlessly, that’s how. And those school children are forbidden to critically analyze the information or consider negating evidence or arguments.

    Robert Cohen’s statement amounts to an admission that Jewish activities in brainwashing millions of people have been successful.

    At least eight years ago Phil Weiss wrote on his blog that “Jews are now the elites. Jews are on top.” On Nov. 13, 2019 Ari Feldman wrote in a Forward magazine article that listed the Jews involved in the impeachment of Donald Trump,

    “Still, as in many political scandals of America’s recent history, now that Jews have successfully accessed the once-WASPy upper echelon of the federal government, we can say with certainty: “Where there’s smoke, there’s lox.”

    Oh that irrepressible tendency of Jews for jackanapery.

    So Jews are now in charge.
    And the USA has never been a bigger mess.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @refl
    , @obvious
  167. @roofus

    Wally and the other revisionists are so concerned about forensics and digging up Jewish mass graves to disprove the 6 million yet accept at face value that 66 million Russians were killed by the communists. Now why don’t they bother directing their science and energy at that issue and digging up all those mass graves and counting up those bodies? Someone recently posted a picture of the Bengali famine victims as being those of the Ukranian holodomor. Now some holodomor denier, if he was to employ Wally’s tactics, would be reposting that photo and mocking his opponents, clogging up thread after thread with photographs that someone once mislabelled, mistakenly or intentionally to confuse the issue. That is the level of his “science” and historiography.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Wally
    , @eah
  168. utu says:
    @Theodore

    It is very good and interesting. But this is not enough.

    I believe the question about what happened to the Jews must be answered. At this point there is no way that archeological/forensic excavation could be conducted in Poland. But this will not happen. Recently in Poland there is a movement to do the exhumations in Jedwabne which some years ago were interrupted because of Jewish pressures. A petition is circulated and people are signing it in support. An Israeli activist in Poland, Jonny Daniels twitted that the exhumation will never happen even if all 40 millions Poles would sign the petition.

    Yad Vashem claims to have compiled a list of over 4 millions of names of Jews who perished during WWII. Can the list be scrutinized and challenged? What if out of 1% (40,000) randomly selected names from their list one could demonstrate that 10%, 25% or 50% of names belong to Jews who actually survived WWII or persons who did not exist or who died as combatants in Red Army and other allies arm forces?

    • Replies: @Theodore
  169. Corvinus says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Americans and Europeans were not brainwashed about the Holocaust. That would require tens of millions of high IQ, high preference peoples to have been historically duped. Nay, they have found out for themselves through hard core documentary evidence that this event occurred. It just bothers you that the historical record undeniably proves it. Otherwise, you are admitting that whites, as a race, are easily snookered. Do you really want to travel that road?

  170. Wally says:
    @Commentator Mike

    – Yawn. Another laughable, old Zionist strawman from “Commentator Mike” who I have slapped silly repeatedly at this site over his impossible “holocaust” fantasies.
    – Desperate old Mike knows that he and those like him are now cornered with no way out.

    – I never said “that 66 million Russians were killed by the communists”, he did. Notice his telltale use of the nutty Jew ‘6’ kabbalah silliness.

    Those killed by Communists are not said to have been killed at intensely centralized locations, such as the alleged 900,000 claimed to have been gassed at Treblinka, plus an alleged additional 500,000 allegedly gassed at the other Reinhardt camps, all said to have been dumped into known mass graves at those sites. Yet there are no such remains.

    – As for Communists murders, there aren’t even any claims like the equally ridiculously alleged ‘34,000 Jews’ supposedly shot & buried at Babi Yar, no remains have been found in spite of efforts to find them. In fact there are claims of ca. 2,000,000 Jews supposedly shot into massive pits. The human remains are claimed to exist in, once again, in known locations, yet there are no such human remains.

    And it’s Mike’s lying “Holocaust Industry” that make the ‘huge mass graves with truly immense human remains’ claims. It is THEY who claim that millions upon millions of Jew remains exist in known locations, NOT REVISIONISTS. Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable ‘holocaust’ storyline is the message.

    – And there’s nothing about the murders by Communists that defy laws of science like the absurd “holocaust” claims.

    – Hey Mike want to tell us how the alleged “Nazi gas chambers” supposedly worked?
    – Hey Mike, show us the claimed millions upon millions of alleged “holocaust” human remains that your shysters say exist in known locations.
    We await.

    • LOL: Commentator Mike
  171. Wally says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    – In fact, you are desperately dodging the obvious, embarrassing yourself in the process.

    – The ‘holocaust’ Big Lie says the ‘6M Jews & 5M others’ were murdered & buried in allegedly known, very centralized locations, mostly by methods which defy laws of science as alleged.

    The claims of Communist murders do not.

    Imagine in a real / legit court of law where someone claims that millions of people were murdered and dumped into allegedly known mass graves, but then could not produce the claimed mass graves and the alleged contents. They would be booted out of that court, case dismissed.

  172. Wally says:
    @Trinity

    I think the trend is good news. We wouldn’t be hearing about such things a few years ago.

    Stop being a wuss and a defeatist. Accept positive events.

  173. mcohen says:
    @Wally

    Nah willy wont work
    most of codoh is bullshit.i said yad vashem not the us museum

    Try again

  174. refl says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I have to protest here, because I know the commenter personally! He is intelligent, though rather then having read a lot, he has stumbeled across related questions for quite some time, before realizing that within generally accepted views, that were all have grown into in western societies , there would be no answer. And from there on, this site has been a huge help.

    Not the least of these questions would be: How is it possible that Germans bend over backwards to please the Zionists, while calmly pissing off anybody east of their own territory to their hearts content? Why accept the frequent atrocities of the Zionist entity, when they so often look like a repeat performance of the mythical Nazi crimes? Why hush down any mention of anything, where German are the victims – except when the perpetrators are Russians? The answers to any of these questions is damn easy, once you dare to step outside the brainwashed mindset that we have. And once you have done so, there is no going back.
    The one mind altering read that I had in recent years was Douglas Reeds “Controversy of Zion” – which states exactly that Zionists have managed to make WWII appear as the war against the Jews. And that was written in the mid 1950s!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  175. refl says:
    @Corvinus

    That would require tens of millions of high IQ, high preference peoples to have been historically duped.

    Hilarious! There are some good points raised by commenter ‘Obvious’ about the significance of the myth.
    High IQ is a concept that you have of yourself. And maybe the toughest part is that that concept might hinder you from seeing the thing right before your eyes.

    • LOL: Dannyboy
  176. mcohen says:
    @Incitatus

    Rabbi wise is a fake name you retard.anyway who gives a fuck

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  177. Anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Americans and Europeans were not brainwashed about the Holocaust. That would require tens of millions of high IQ, high preference peoples to have been historically duped. Nay, they have found out for themselves through hard core documentary evidence that this event occurred.

    Please specify the “hard core documentary evidence” that tens of millions of Americans and Europeans have viewed to reach their conclusions about the Holocaust?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  178. Anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Yet the massive post-war memoirs of Eisenhower, Churchill, and De Gaulle, which total some 7,000 pages, supposedly contain virtually no indications of those gigantic events, which seems utterly inexplicable, since they obviously would have constituted the strongest possible justification for the war that had been fought.

    Who has actually canvassed these memoirs? To evaluate this point, it would be helpful to know what they did write about how Germany treated Jews during this period.

  179. Theodore,

    As I mentioned before I go by what Savitri Devi wrote in her books. She did jail time in Germany with convicted Nazis just after WWII and had close links with members of the post-war Nazi underground and surviving Nazis as well as being a Nazi sympathiser and Axis agent in India during the war. There is no indication from her writings that the Holocaust (i.e. intended mass extermination of Jews) did not happen or that gas chambers weren’t used, even in Auschwitz. In the “front” of her book Gold in the Furnace it states:

    she believed that there had been a programme of mass extermination of Jews, and that the methods of extermination included homicidal gas chambers. She rejected these claims only in 1977, after reading Arthur Butz’s The Hoax of the Twentieth-Century.

    So are we to believe that a book written 30 years after the events is more solid proof than testimonies of those actually involved at the time, and I don’t mean the Jews but the Nazis who Savitri Devi was in contact with? It is not clear who wrote that statement at the front of her book, it is not in the editor’s note – perhaps the publisher, so I don’t know how reliable it is. Some revisionists keep saying that this Holocaust narrative only started since about 1960 and that previously there was no talk of it or the gas chambers. That is patently wrong as many believed it, or knew of it, during and after the war. Where would have Savitri got the idea to write about it even before 1950 if it was invented in the 1960’s? The only impression I got from her writings is that she complained that Hitler and the Nazis weren’t severe, harsh, or comprehensive enough in their extermination programme of the Jews and all other opponenets, enemies, communists, gypsies, untermenchen, democrats, Christians, and their children, etc. etc. but not that they didn’t try. OK so she sounds like a crazy and naive woman but definitely not dishonest in her recorded testimonies.

    Also all those who claim that de Gaulle and Churchill didn’t mention the Holocaust and the gas chambers in their memoirs – perhaps to them it was just a footnote in the history of the war or they couldn’t care less about the Jews, other than doing the Jew’s bidding of course for reasons known to them. Or maybe, there is that slight possibility, they knew it was just war propaganda that they invented and so didn’t want to perpetuate it as one day the truth may come to light.

    Seeing RU is so fond of this topic he should set up a panel discussion between real expert revisionist and mainstream historians as it’s getting tiring of having Wally regurgitate the same old same old. The Conference in Tehran, on the other hand, seems to gather mostly the deniers so it appears one-sided. You’d probably claim that mainstream historians would refuse such a debate but Ron with his credentials could pull off something like that.

    • LOL: eah
    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @Theodore
  180. @Corvinus

    Nay, they have found out for themselves through hard core documentary evidence that this event occurred.

    Show us that “hard core documentary evidence,” Corvinus.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  181. utu says:

    July 2, 1943 JTA’s historical archive

    Russia Helped 1,750,000 Jews to Escape Nazis, Says James N. Rosenberg
    https://www.jta.org/1943/07/02/archive/russia-helped-1750000-jews-to-escape-nazis-says-james-n-rosenberg

    Emphasizing that he based his estimate of those saved on facts gathered by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Mr. Rosenberg quoted the organization’s journal as reporting that “of some 1,750,000 Jews who succeeded in escaping the Axis since the outbreak of hostilities, about 1,600,000 were evacuated by the Soviet Government from Eastern Poland and subsequently occupied Soviet territory and transported far into the Russian interior and beyond the Urals.

    What is interesting about the evacuations is that Jews from Eastern Poland occupied by the USSR were evacuated in the third wave of deportation in May 1941. The first two waves in 1940 consisted chiefly of Polish families from intelligentsia and gentry. Those deportations were seen as anti-Polish punitive actions which resulted in very hight death rate (>25%). The last wave took place in spring 1941 and it was chiefly Jewish. The question is whether it was not a deportation like antiPolish action but an evacuation to save the Jews. The second question would be how does it fit Suvorov’s thesis that Soviets were preparing the attack against Germany.

    If indeed the USSR evacuated 1-1.6 million of Polish Jews what happened to them and by which route did they return. All official data indicate that only 300k out of 3 million of Polish Jews were in Poland after WWII.

  182. Theodore says:
    @utu

    At this point there is no way that archeological/forensic excavation could be conducted in Poland. But this will not happen

    Except it is claimed to have occurred, and I posted maps of alleged “proven mass graves” – yet photographs of the remains are nowhere to be found (save a handful of images with the remains of 5-10 people who likely died of disease in transit)

    Yad Vashem claims to have compiled a list of over 4 millions of names of Jews who perished during WWII. Can the list be scrutinized and challenged?

    Sure, why not?
    As I explained, over 100,000 of the names are even noted as dying as Red Army soldiers. And if someone died of some other reason unrelated to the “Holocaust” how can it be verified?

    The alleged mass graves are the only answer here. Graves, which, have supposedly been proven via archeological/forensic analysis.

  183. Theodore says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I go by what Savitri Devi wrote in her books

    Well there’s your problem. You should go by reality, not what one person wrote in a book.

    How many Jews did “Savitri Devi” personally claim to have witnessed gassings of?
    How many different camps did “Savitri Devi” personally claim to have witnessed gassings of Jews at?
    How many “huge mass graves” full of the remains of 1000+ people at Sobibor, Treblinka 2, and Belzec did “Savitri Devi ” claim to have personally seen?
    Which of the following camps – Sobibor, Treblinka 2, and Belzec – did “Savitri Devi” claim to have visited, and for how long?

    How about you try answering the simple questions posted in comment #81 rather than bringing up irrelevant nonsense written in some book by an occultist.

  184. Theodore says:
    @Corvinus

    Americans and Europeans were not brainwashed about the Holocaust.

    Sure they are, well at least most.

    That would require tens of millions of high IQ, high preference peoples to have been historically duped.

    Not a difficult task, it has happened many times in history. In fact, it’s the historical norm. See the history of religion.
    And the average IQ is quite low for all racial/ethnic groups

    Nay, they have found out for themselves through hard core documentary evidence that this event occurred.

    Oh, really? What percent of people know what “Treblinka” and “Sobibor” and “Belzec” is? I’d wager maybe 1% of those who believe the “Holocaust” story. Go out to the grocery store and do some polls/interviews – I’d be surprised if you found more than 1 or 2 gentiles who can tell you what those terms mean.

    It just bothers you that the historical record undeniably proves it.

    It quite obviously does not, since you can not refute anything posted in Wear’s article nor in the comments section here.
    The historical record proves that the “Final Solution” was real, but not an extermination policy.

    Otherwise, you are admitting that whites, as a race, are easily snookered. Do you really want to travel that road?

    Of course they are. If most Whites were not “Easily snookered” then they would be the only race/ethnicity/population in human history that is not. This trait of conforming one’s opinions and beliefs to the perceived “consensus” has been extremely beneficial under the historical evolutionary pressures. It just so happens that for over 99% of human history, there was no sort of problem like this because the situation was completely different. We are all still, genetically, primitive hunter gatherers from the stone age; a few traits (like ability to digest grains, lactase persistence, protections against some diseases, and a few other things) have been selected for but not enough to make us meaningfully different from these paleolithic humans.

    And what seriously confounds this issue is that in the most relevant countries, it is a crime to even publicly express opposition to the “Holocaust” storyline. This results in academics and “experts” who do not believe it to keep their mouths shut. Most people do not know much of anything about the topic, they just see some sort of “expert consensus” and do not worry too hard about the fact that it is artificially manufactured. So they don’t think to question it. Further compounding on this issue is that it is drilled into their heads that questioning said contrived “expert consensus” is heresy, tantamount to shoving more Jews into the gas chamber.

    That’s not really a good argument for anything. You need to try a bit harder. For example, try answering the questions posted in comment #81. Also, try refuting what was posted in that comment or in Wear’s article. Or, elaborate on what you claim is “hard core documentary evidence” against the belief that the ‘Final Solution’ was a resettlement/deportation/forced labor policy (as confirmed by all documents discussing it).

    • Agree: refl
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  185. eah says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Oh man.

    You know, this kind of piece on unz.com is always good for more of the “same old same old”, meaning (mostly) the same revisionists/skeptics (“deniers”) doing rhetorical battle with (mostly) the same ‘true believers’ (“exterminationists”), even though it is fairly obvious that no one’s mind is going to be changed — although I must be honest and say I also usually learn a few new things and see a few new links with even more interesting info, which I appreciate.

    But oftentimes the comment threads are also useful for fleshing out one’s IGNORE list — in that sense, your comment has to be one of the most idiotic and rhetorically/intellectually dishonest ones I’ve seen — just grotesque.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  186. Theodore says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Alas, I did not notice that you asked a question since it was buried in a bunch of irrelevant nonsense. I will answer your question despite you dodging mine (and John Wear’s) – hopefully you will reciprocate 🙂

    You asked:

    Where would have Savitri got the idea to write about it even before 1950 if it was invented in the 1960’s?

    But previously stated:

    Some revisionists keep saying that this Holocaust narrative only started since about 1960 and that previously there was no talk of it or the gas chambers.

    I don’t know who these alleged revisionists you speak of are. Maybe it is a 16 year old teenager who read some article, I don’t know. The revisionists I have read the works of know quite well what the post-war Nuremberg show trials were, and that it was claimed that Nazis gassed jews there. In fact, Ru olf Hoess was tortured and his family threatened, which inevitably led to him “confessing” to the gassings of Jews at Auschwitz – in contrast to many other Auschwitz workers such as:
    – SS officer Robert Mulka (adjutant to Hoess)
    – Hans Aumeier (deputy commandant of Auschwitz)
    – Richard Baer (commandant of the Auschwitz I)
    – Karl Höcker (Mulka’s successor as adjutant to Hoess)
    – Fritz Gaar (SS motor pool)
    – Fritz Frenzel (Auschwitz guards)
    – Hermann Hagerhoff (Auschwitz guards)
    – Walter Otto (Auschwitz guards)
    – Ernst Romeikat (Auschwitz administration of inmate property)
    – Theodor Grewe (Auschwitz administration of inmate property)
    and others.
    In fact, most Nazis did deny the claims of Jewish extermination.

    The reality is, and where I think you are confused (or whoever teenager’s troll post you read) is that the “Holocaust” was not widespread public knowledge immediately after the war (a large number of people probably though it was just atrocity propaganda, after having seen the same thing post-WW1).

    In formal literature, “apart from the notable exception of [Saul] Bellow’s The Dangling Man,” says Theodore Ziolkowski, “it was not until the 60s with Edward Wallant’s The Pawnbroker, Norma Rosen’s Touching Evil, Susan Schaeffer’s Anya, Arthur Cohen’s In the Days of Simon Stern, and later works by Cynthia Ozick and Saul Bellow — that the Holocaust became a genuine theme.”

    In 1967, with the multiple-nation Arab war against Israel, a revived obsession with Jewish identity and the “Holocaust” took place within Jews all around the world. Much more can be read about this, but it’s not very interesting or relevant. I am just suggesting perhaps this is where you are confused.

    The fact of the matter is, if what you quoted is accurate, this “Savitri Devi” lady probably read some of the Nuremberg trial transcripts (they were extremely long) or something of the sort immediately post-war, figured what was said was correct, but then later read some revisionist work and changed her mind.
    Using this as “proof of the Holocaust” is very weak. You’re taking the judgment of someone who did not claim to have personally witnessed the events, based on their research long before the internet was invented, and saying:
    “Well it must have happened because this specific individual with limited information who did not personally witness any of it initially believed that it did occur, despite later changing her mind after acquiring new information.”

    What a very weak position!

    Seeing RU is so fond of this topic he should set up a panel discussion between real expert revisionist and mainstream historians as it’s getting tiring of having Wally regurgitate the same old same old. The Conference in Tehran, on the other hand, seems to gather mostly the deniers so it appears one-sided. You’d probably claim that mainstream historians would refuse such a debate but Ron with his credentials could pull off something like that.

    I asked for such a thing in one article Unz wrote asking for questions / comments. He said he would be OK with it, but the issue is that probably he could not find Holocaust believers to defend the story. I only offered there be rules regarding length of comments text and whatnot (and obvious exceptions for quoting the opponent and documents). The Holocaust supporters rarely engage in any debate, in fact they run from it.

    Why don’t you volunteer?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @roofus
  187. Trinity says:

    There was a “holocaust” in WWII and the victims were the German civilians who were firebombed, raped and tortured by the Brits and their colonial troops, Americans, Soviets as well as others who fought on the side of the “good guys.” And lets not forget Eisenhower’s Death Camps. The two groups who suffered the most during the “BIG ONE” were the Chinese and Germans. I tend to believe that MAYBE a couple of hundred thousand Jews died on work camps, you know the same figure the Red Cross gave about the event. We have between 50-60 MILLION people who died horrible deaths in WWII and somehow we are only to be concerned about the Jews who ALLEGEDLY died in concentration camps. What the hell do you call those camps that German POWs were held in after the war? Some called them “death camps.”

    Lest we forget that world Jewry DECLARED WAR ON GERMANY, so wouldn’t that make them an enemy to the German people, no different than Japan and the Japanese to America in WWII!? How do you think American POWs were treated by the Japanese? Is there a museum for American POWs that suffered during WWII or say the Vietnam War? This obsession on what happened to Jewish POWs during WWII is borderline psychotic and becomes more ridiculous with each passing year. I will say it again, GERMANS and CHINESE suffered more than any other people during WWII and between 50-60 MILLION NON JEWS WERE KILLED IN WWII.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  188. @eah

    You know, this kind of piece on unz.com is always good for more of the “same old same old”, meaning (mostly) the same revisionists/skeptics (“deniers”) doing rhetorical battle with (mostly) the same ‘true believers’ (“exterminationists”), even though it is fairly obvious that no one’s mind is going to be changed

    Agreed.

    your comment has to be one of the most idiotic and rhetorically/intellectually dishonest ones I’ve seen — just grotesque.

    Hey I wasn’t serious about telling Wally to count up all those 66 (or however many) millions of Russian victims of communism. His repetitiveness is annoying, always saying the same so yeah I countered with an idiotic suggestion. There is an old saying: “Never argue with an idiot because you can never win. First you have to get down to his level and second he has a lot of experience at being an idiot – he been an idiot all his life”.

    • Replies: @Wally
  189. Anonymous[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @refl

    Not the least of these questions would be: How is it possible that Germans bend over backwards to please the Zionists, while calmly pissing off anybody east of their own territory to their hearts content? Why accept the frequent atrocities of the Zionist entity, when they so often look like a repeat performance of the mythical Nazi crimes? Why hush down any mention of anything, where German are the victims – except when the perpetrators are Russians? The answers to any of these questions is damn easy.

    If answers are so easy, then what are they?

    • Replies: @refl
  190. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    The hard core documentary evidence has already been presented on past threads by a number of posters (as well as myself). You choose not to ignore it, at best, or outright lie about its veracity, at worst. No doubt you have also conducted your own research and worked to offer “counter evidence”, so you are being disingenuous here about you “specifying” what you already know.

    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @Wally
    , @Dannyboy
  191. Theodore says:
    @Corvinus

    The hard core documentary evidence has already been presented on past threads by a number of posters (as well as myself). You choose not to ignore it

    And it was all refuted.

    How about you post some “hard core documentary evidence” regarding AR camp Jews (subject of this article) instead of whining about non-existent previous posts being ignored.

    Alternatively you could answer the 10 simple questions I posted in comment #81 instead of spamming off topic nonsense. 🙂

    • Agree: Dannyboy
  192. @Theodore

    Theodore,

    Why don’t you volunteer?

    I’m no expert on the subject and have certainly neither read as much as you have nor followed the topic in such detail. I was thinking more about some real mainstream Holocaust believer experts but there are none on UR – it seems mostly like the Tehran conference.

    We’ve discussed some of these issues before and honestly I’d rather stay out of the debate as it’s too morbid a topic for my interest. Yes I can counter certain arguments just as others counter mine but it’s a huge topic and I don’t have detailed information on all the aspects and arguments of the pros and cons. It would require a massive amount of systematic work on my part and I’m not prepared to do that.

    I did write that Savitri Devi got some information from Nazi inmates in a German prison she was doing time with. As those inmates were on the deNazification programme and what with her being a British citizen, perhaps they didn’t quite fully trust her , especially as she was always scribbling down everything in her notes which subsequently fell into the hands of the prison governor and were scrutinised by an expert committee of the said deNazification programme. Maybe they just went along with the programme and so refused to deny the Holocaust and their involvement in it. That could be one explanation why she didn’t get true information, if that was indeed the case. I mean they could have got into trouble had the authorities found out that they were denying their crimes, or alleged crimes.

    I asked for such a thing in one article Unz wrote asking for questions / comments. He said he would be OK with it, but the issue is that probably he could not find Holocaust believers to defend the story. I only offered there be rules regarding length of comments text and whatnot (and obvious exceptions for quoting the opponent and documents).

    That sounds most interesting. It would be useful to select certain narrow topics, like perhaps some of the questions you asked, and then exhaustively debate them with pro and con arguments, supporting documentation, etc. I suppose many would be open ended and require further research to resolve, but at least it would point out weaknesses, lacking data, and other shortcomings of the pro and con arguments. And an impartial but sufficiently informed moderator could be useful. But I’m definitely not qualified to engage in a debate at that level of expertise.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  193. Wally says:
    @Corvinus

    Dream on.
    You desperately presented the same old Zionist nonsense that has been and was again debunked.
    We notice that you don’t dare try it again in this tread,

    Corvinus taken apart here on his ridiculous “holocaust”:
    http://www.unz.com/?s=corvinus&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

    More work by John Wear:
    WEARS WAR on the Lies, Liars & WW2
    “Author John Wear reveals evidence contradicting the narrative we have been taught about Germany, Japan & the Allies in World War II. WEARS WAR is the battle to bring FAKE HISTORY into accord with the facts.”
    https://wearswar.wordpress.com/

    • Replies: @obvious
  194. Wally says:
    @Commentator Mike

    said:
    “Hey I wasn’t serious about telling Wally to count up all those 66 (or however many) millions of Russian victims of communism. His repetitiveness is annoying, always saying the same so yeah I countered with an idiotic suggestion. There is an old saying: “Never argue with an idiot because you can never win. First you have to get down to his level and second he has a lot of experience at being an idiot – he been an idiot all his life”.”‘

    – So now you retreat from your laughable kabbalah “66 million killed by communists” after I busted you on your juvenile attempt to dodge the complete lack of alleged “holocaust” human remains that are alleged to be in known locations.
    – You’re projecting. I simply respond to points because Zionist clowns like yourself keep repeating completely refuted, scientifically impossible nonsense.
    – You’re projecting again. It is you who idiotically argues points which have no basis in fact.
    – You continue to dodge my challenges:

    – Hey Mike want to tell us how the alleged “Nazi gas chambers” supposedly worked?
    – Hey Mike, show us the claimed millions upon millions of alleged “holocaust” human remains that your shysters say exist in known locations.

    Still owning you.

  195. Theodore says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I’m no expert … I’m definitely not qualified to engage in a debate

    Then you’re a complete fool to even have a strong opinion on the topic. A rational person in your case would be agnostic on the issue.

    I really do not care about what this lady says as it is quite obviously “I heard it from someone who heard it from someone.” She also changed her mind later as you pointed out, but you refuse to admit what she initially claimed was wrong even though she herself did so.

    Ergo, the evidence is completely weak and your reasons provided are complete silliness.

  196. refl says:
    @Anonymous

    The straight answer is that memory of twentieth century dictatorships serves political purposes. So far, nothing new. The answer is so simple that I fear getting trashed for banality. The twist comes when you stop giving holy western democracy a free pass for all their incidental political criminality.
    Remembrance of World War crimes is not there for the memory, less still for the sake of truth, but for political expediency. The darker the OTHER, the lighter the Great Free Western International Community will shine – even as medieval darkness is descending on it.

    I remember so many times as a teenager standing next to some English lord mayor and hearing the yearly sermon that enemies became friends and all the stuff. I felt seriously elevated as all the people present would to some extend. Only now do I see that we were all being fooled, for power does not make friends with anyone.
    I seriously believed that the same would happen towards post cold war Russia, and I also believed that Israel/Palestine would find its solution. By now, any hope that might have been there in the 1990s has long since died, and I have little doubt as to who are the people reponsible for this outcome.

    My country had been destroyed beyond recognition, but for some beneficial purpose, so I thought. We – Germans – were the living example that there is progress in history.
    Today I feel ashamed for so much gullibilty. I can only laugh at Corvi for his believe in the high IQ of Western people, but how can he know.

  197. Robjil says:
    @Achilles Wannabe

    The 6 number is a game.

    The 6 million is just 10 times the big Jewish 600000 number game.

    600000 number is the biggest Jewish game number of all. It comes up a lot in Judaism voodoo.

    Eruv, a Jewish string enclosure, can not contain more than 600000 people.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/judaism/living/eruv_1.shtml

    There are certain things that may invalidate an eruv:

    It isn’t valid if it encloses 600,000 or more people (Jewish or non-Jewish)
    The poles must be reasonably vertical, the lines tight
    Some say the lines must go across the top of the poles (as the lintel of a door goes over the top of the side pieces)

    Israel started in the Tanakh with the 600000 number.

    https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380372/jewish/600000-Souls-600000-Letters.htm

    The word “Israel” can be read as an acronym for “Yesh Shishim Ribo Otiot LaTorah”, meaning: “There are six hundred thousand letters in the Torah”. Therefore, Israel did not leave Egypt until there were six hundred thousand of them, in order for each soul to be “supported” by one letter in the Torah, as we have written in a number of places

    • Replies: @obvious
  198. Corvinus says:
    @Theodore

    “Sure they are, well at least most.”

    That is patently false. You and others make that argument because it is easier that way to craft the “Jews are always to blame” narrative. What scientific evidence are you able to present that conclusively demonstrate that ALL or MOST people who “buy in” to the Holocaust “story” have been brainwashed? That accusation requires an inordinate amount of proof. You have much work to do here.

    “Not a difficult task, it has happened many times in history. In fact, it’s the historical norm. See the history of religion.”

    That is a false premise on your part. Just because an individual believes in a God does not mean they have been bamboozled or hoodwinked. Ultimately, religion is a matter of faith. Either you believe or you do not believe.

    “And the average IQ is quite low for all racial/ethnic groups”

    Charles Murray and company beg to differ. White people score high (in the 90’s). How is that average “low”?

    “This trait of conforming one’s opinions and beliefs to the perceived “consensus” has been extremely beneficial under the historical evolutionary pressures.”

    In the same way you are conforming to the consensus of the group that holds the same perspective as yourself?

    “It just so happens that for over 99% of human history, there was no sort of problem like this because the situation was completely different.”

    That is tall claim. Are you prepared to back up your opinion here?

    “We are all still, genetically, primitive hunter gatherers from the stone age; a few traits (like ability to digest grains, lactase persistence, protections against some diseases, and a few other things) have been selected for but not enough to make us meaningfully different from these paleolithic humans.”

    Wow, just wow. Are you way off base here.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-may-become-of-homo-sapiens/

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/05/humans-are-still-evolving-and-we-can-watch-it-happen

    “Most people do not know much of anything about the topic, they just see some sort of “expert consensus” and do not worry too hard about the fact that it is artificially manufactured.”

    Certainly there are declining numbers who may not know much about this topic, but those who do have insight into the Holocaust comprehend the logic and reasoning and evidence brought forth.

    “Oh, really? What percent of people know what “Treblinka” and “Sobibor” and “Belzec” is? I’d wager maybe 1% of those who believe the “Holocaust” story.”

    So you are basically guessing. Unfortunately, here is the sober truth.

    https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/national/survey-41-percent-of-americans-dont-know-what-auschwitz-is

    “The historical record proves that the “Final Solution” was real, but not an extermination policy.”

    Most historians agree that the Final Solution cannot be attributed to a single decision made at one particular point in time, but it is generally accepted that the decision-making process was prolonged and incremental.

    • Replies: @Dannyboy
    , @Theodore
  199. Dannyboy says:
    @obvious

    Is that you, roofus? Why’d you bitch out and change your screen name?

    In any event, you’re asking me the same questions as well as obfuscating.

    Working Class and Middle Class are pretty much the same thing, and have been for quite sometime.

    As I said, these are the people who do the yeoman’s work as far as civilization building goes.

    Thomas Edison is another excellent example. Little, if any formal “education”, and engaged in what would be considered “blue collar” work most of his life.

    Even today, white skilled labor LITERALLY keeps this country going. Mexicans may be mowing your lawn and repairing your roof, but the men keeping the powerlines intact and maintaining the plants that generate it are still overwhelmingly WHITE.

    These are the same folks who elected Donald Trump.

    Rest assured, they’ll be the same people who put a bullet in your cunt Marxist head when the time comes.

    • Replies: @obvious
  200. Dannyboy says:
    @Corvinus

    Well you see the bottom line is that it doesn’t really matter any more, if in fact it did go down according to all the tall tales and lurid mythology.

    The cat is long out of the bag, my angry little Leftist friend, and there’s no going back.

    It’s very obvious who despises free speech and who needs to employs censorship now that the curtain has been pulled back.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  201. eah says:

    OT (not really)

    Scott Hechinger is apparently a Jewish (as I discovered) public defender in NYC — here is a tweet (thread) where he lobbies against the deportation of a black murderer (thanks bud; we don’t have enough of those in America) –> lobbying tweet

    Being the anti-Semite that I am (“LOL”), when I saw his tweet about the black murderer I thought he was probably a Jew, and I was right — also on his Twitter timeline I found the tweet below, and attached to it was the handwritten letter (image) — I post this because a couple of comments in this thread have asked (more or less) “Who cares?” — so here is an example of why people care: because Jews use the ‘Holocaust’ as a moral ‘weapon of mass destruction’ against Whites.

    ‘Holocaust’ tweet

    My friend flying to be w/ her family after synagogue killings gave this note to a man on her flight w/ a MAGA hat. He read it all. “A lot of people on the plane were upset, angry, & scared when they saw your hat. To us, your hat sanctions our death, our murder, our evisceration.”

  202. Dannyboy says:
    @Corvinus

    The Jew lead and financed Left have killed and enslaved more human beings and produced more revolution, upheaval and unrest than any other entity in recorded history.

    And to this day, you boys still like to blather about “human rights”…lol

  203. Incitatus says:
    @mcohen

    “Rabbi wise is a fake name you retard.”

    Stephen Samuel Wise (17 Mar 1874 – 19 Apr 1949) “was an early 20th-century American, Progressive Era, Reform rabbi, and Zionist leader.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Samuel_Wise

    “anyway who gives a fuck”

    SolontoCrœsus of course! Read his archive. Wise is a favorite, along with Cora Sol Goldstein.

    You’re really not very bright, are you?

    Never mind. God loves you just as you are.

  204. obvious says:
    @Achilles Wannabe

    It means your face is pressed against somebody else’s glass. Why don’t you have your own history? I’ll have any goddam reasoning I like. We are not equivalent.
    and you may not appropriate.

    It’s like you never heard the term “civil death”. That is exactly what “genocide”means, to destroy a population as a group. Funny though you people never ask why the NAZIS used words like “annihilate”, “extirpate” and “destroy” if they didn’t mean “to systematically murder people”.

    And this is the literal standard used by EVERY NATION to describe its losses in the WW2, and probably the same “reasoning” or style of calculation is used all over in many circumstances. You are the kind of blockhead who thinks that he IS the credit card application. You are not personally important, and this is the classic rootless gentile idolatry.

    Guess what? These are all APPLICATIONS. Of course a fictional device is created, a mental concept: that’s what a “cipher” is for, just like computer programming.

    Now go bang your head against the sidewalk.

  205. obvious says:
    @Dannyboy

    No, we are going to wipe you out just like in every other episode. When the time comes remember your comments about “bullets” you little shit. In person I’d knock you flat, you have no idea. It’s real easy to be tough on the Internet. Keep it up

    • Replies: @Dannyboy
    , @Dannyboy
  206. obvious says:
    @Wally

    It’s not a lie, you are taking it too literally. If you understand what the words mean in context, then it all makes sense. But it was none of your business to begin with, and you should find it utterly boring.

  207. Dannyboy says:
    @obvious

    Oh My, I guess I hit a nerve.

    You and your kind will, as my dear old WW2 Vet Dad used to say “shit and play with the smoke”, sweetheart.

    Can’t wait for that beautiful day.

    • Replies: @obvious
  208. Saggy says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    And the sum-total of all the time I’ve spent investigating the complex subject is probably just a few weeks, surely dwarfed by the vast efforts of many of the participants on both sides of this current debate.

    Now you are arguing your own incompetence, irresponsibility, and ignorance of the subject you wrote about. Why write about a subject if you have no understanding of it?

    Perhaps you or someone else has finally come up with a satisfactory explanation of these anomalies in the month or two since I first presented them.

    This is another absurd comment – perhaps after they come up with satisfactory explanations of those anomalies you mention they can explain the ‘anomalies’ that there are no bodies of victims, no gas chambers, i.e. murder weapons, no documents, on one hand, and and incredible avalanche of absurd and totally preposterous lies on the other.

    Let’s look at the most degenerate lie, and the most pervasive lie, the lie that is the basis of the entire hoax, that has been supported actively or passively by every institution in the country as well as every academic save Arthur Butz, the photos taken at Belsen after the war that show prisoners who died of disease and that are shown as being of Jews gassed in the holocaust ….

    • Replies: @Wally
  209. Dannyboy says:
    @obvious

    This one’s for you, big girl.

  210. Incitatus says:
    @Theodore

    Hi Theodore,

    “I wonder what Incitatus thinks about”

    Why not ask me, rather than hissy-fit third person?

    “Maybe [‘What Happened to Jews Sent to the Aktion Reinhardt Camps’ is] not something Incitatus wants to discuss, even though he chose to post in the comments section of this article.”

    Actually I responded to SolontoCrœsus’s [#72] Erich Mendelsohn’s “cushy villa for Chaim Weizmann in Rehovath” and ‘German Village’ 1943 Dugway Proving Ground tests on “perfect methods and materials for creating firestorms”. A favorite S2C topic. Did I miss your cautionary interrogative asking S2C how that responds to ‘Jews Sent to the Aktion Reinhardt Camps’? No, didn’t think so.

    “Maybe [Incitatus] would rather talk about how some Nazis hated Jews, as if anyone disputes that.”

    Actually, the NSDAP seems to have hated almost everybody – ordinary Germans, other German political parties, Wehrmacht OKH and OKW, German clergy, Czechs, Poles, Italians, French, English, Soviet, Americans, etc. Most of the Party elite hated each other as well. Corrosive was their middle name. Go figure!

    Had you asked, I would have said the NSDAP hated a lot of Germans, Austrians, Czechs, Poles, Ukrainians, Belorussians, Romanians, Hungarians, Baltics, Italians, Jews, Russians, Romany, ‘a-socials’, ‘work-shy’, ‘useless-eaters’, intelligensia, etc. Many were imprisoned/exterminated1918-1945.

    Alas, you didn’t ask. Like most URer’s your interest starts 1 Sep 1939, just like most gaming WW2 software. Go-figure!

    As for the routine Jews vs. Nazis, Nazis vs. Jews hate opera, both UR sides already seem singing full tilt. Cats and dogs howling again!

    Sorry. Neither Nazi nor Jewish. The subject has little to do with the war and how it ruined Germany. For that, one has to start with Bismarck and Moltke’s brilliance 1870-71, progress to ruinious incompetent leadership 1914-18, then to corruption 1919-45. Happens in the best of families. Can happen today, any country. Think about it. That’s what I worry about.

    Kudos to Wear for parsing Reinhardt victims. Interesting article. But, to be honest, it’s kind of like saying some of John Wayne Gacy’s 33 victims buried under his modest Illinois dwelling may not have been abused and strangled prior to death and burial in the crawlspace. Who cares? John Wane Gacy and Adolf Hitler were serial murderers.

    Some might say Wear (and Theodore) are attempting to overturn overwhelming evidence to imply no Nazi killing of Jews occurred. Surely that’s not the case (?). Camel’s nose under the tent?

    All side, he real question is how a fringe party (sponsored by the Reichswehr, monarchists, and other nut-case revisionists) grew 400,000 SA thugs (4 times the Reichswehr). Ever think about that Theodore, John Wear?

    Body counts seem your business. Make the most of it. Beware. As Clubfoot Joe said:

    “We cannot respond to these matters [BBC accusations of German deportation and extermination of the Jews]…We are not in a position to get into controversy over this, at least not in the world’s media…If the Jews say we have shot 2.5 million Jews in Poland or pushed them further to the east, then we obviously cannot reply that it was only 2.3 million.
    – Joseph Göbbels 14 Dec 1942 Ministerial Conference [Stargardt The German War p.251, p.257] (Richard Korherr, Himmler’s chief statistician, estimates 1.2 million Jews killed in KZs and an additional 633,300 in occupied USSR through the end of 1942 in a report submitted to Hitler Apr 1943)

    Word to the wise. Beware what you wish for.

    Stay well, Teddy and John.

    • LOL: eah
    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @Wally
  211. obvious says:

    “World Jewry” does not exist. Where is it located? In a newspaper headline? In your mind?

  212. obvious says:
    @Dannyboy

    this is what a lifetime of buggery will do to a man… another dying baby boomer with too much internet on his hands talking about “daddy”. what a fag

    • Replies: @Dannyboy
  213. Theodore says:
    @Corvinus

    That is patently false. You and others make that argument because it is easier that way to craft the “Jews are always to blame” narrative. What scientific evidence are you able to present that conclusively demonstrate that ALL or MOST people who “buy in” to the Holocaust “story” have been brainwashed? That accusation requires an inordinate amount of proof. You have much work to do here.

    Because it’s simply an incorrect belief system, it’s a complete and utter hoax.

    Your inability to answer TEN SIMPLE QUESTIONS in post #81 is conclusive proof of this fact.

    That is a false premise on your part. Just because an individual believes in a God does not mean they have been bamboozled or hoodwinked. Ultimately, religion is a matter of faith. Either you believe or you do not believe.

    No it is not. There is no religion that the majority of humans believed, nothing close. Are you saying that hundreds of religions are all true at the same time?
    Yet, the majority of humans believed in religions throughout history.
    Are you saying those pagans were not hoodwinked into believing their tribal deities were real, they merely had “faith” in something that is utterly and completely false?

    FACT is, most believe believed things that were completely and utterly incorrect. Unless you’re claiming hte majority of religions are true, then they believed a story that was incorrect.

    The “Holocaust” similarly is based on FAITH not FACT. The FACTS categorically REFUTE the “Holocaust” narrative. Hence why you REFUSE TO DISCUSS THEM. You would get DEMOLISHED. Hence why you refuse to answer 10 simple questions as posted in comment #81.

    Charles Murray and company beg to differ. White people score high (in the 90’s). How is that average “low”?

    Well I guess I would consider 90 to be low IQ, even 100. But I guess such a claim hurts your feelings, so you refuse to believe it. Not my problem.

    “Low” and “high” is subjective, thus the entire discussion is completely pointless on this topic. Even people with 1 standard deviation above median (100) IQ can easily be hoodwinked. No racial or ethnic group has such a high median IQ to be impervious from such things, only a small minoritiy in each (and IQ is not even the only relevant factor here).

    In the same way you are conforming to the consensus of the group that holds the same perspective as yourself?

    Nope, I am not doing that at all.
    Please define the alleged “group” whose beliefs I am “conforming” to, with proof.

    I am willing to discuss the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. Refer to the questions I posted and wrote myself in comment #81 – questions you are AFRAID TO ANSWER because you know your answers will utterly demolish this entire “Holocaust” fantasy religion you have been indoctrinated into. All you have is FAITH not FACTS – you have posted ZERO FACTS in support of the goofy claim that:
    – Treblika 2
    – Sobibor
    – Belzec
    were “Extermination camps” where 1.5+ million jews were gassed, burned, and buried

    All the FACTS refute such an absurd and ridiculous notion. One needs FAITH to believe in it, just like a person needs FAITH to believe that the earth is only a few thousand years old

    That is tall claim. Are you prepared to back up your opinion here?

    Sure, but that really depends what you consider a “Human” – I would say anatomically modern humans existed for over 200,000 years. So 1% of that is … 2,000 years.

    Now, I will gladly back up my position once you: Answer the TEN SIMPLE QUESTIONS posted in comment #81
    🙂

    Wow, just wow. Are you way off base here.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-may-become-of-homo-sapiens/

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/05/humans-are-still-evolving-and-we-can-watch-it-happen

    Funny because you posted links as if they support your claim that I am wrong, but actually say the opposite LOL.

    Certainly there are declining numbers who may not know much about this topic, but those who do have insight into the Holocaust comprehend the logic and reasoning and evidence brought forth.

    No they don’t. Great example: You

    You have brought forth ZERO “logic and reasing and evidence”

    You can’t even answer 10 simple questions!

    So you are basically guessing. Unfortunately, here is the sober truth.

    https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/national/survey-41-percent-of-americans-dont-know-what-auschwitz-is

    Doesn’t address any of the things I said. And yes I am “guessing” I said “I’d wager…”
    My point stands. The vast majority of people who believe the “Holocaust” have absolutely no idea about the story they believe.

    In fact: the “Holocaust” story is unique in that the more you know about it, the less it makes sense. I can CONCLUSIVELY PROVE THIS to you, once you answer the 10 simple questions posted in comment #81

    Most historians agree that the Final Solution cannot be attributed to a single decision made at one particular point in time, but it is generally accepted that the decision-making process was prolonged and incremental.

    “Most historians” is not going to work here, bud. That’s not a legitimate argument.

    There is a 100% consensus on legitimate, German war-time “Final Solution” documents that the policy in question was NOT an extermination policy.
    Check the graphics under the “read more” part of comment #81 and also see:

    War-time German documents & writings mentioning the “Final Solution”
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12296

    Why are you so afraid to debate this topic? Why are you so afraid to answer 10 simple questions? Why are you so afraid to substantiate your utterly absurd, totally irrational, and completely (100%) FAITH-BASED belief system (known as the “Holocaust™ religion” with FACTS?
    Because there are no FACTS that support the “Holocaust” storyline — the facts REFUTE it!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Daniel Rich
  214. Theodore says:
    @Incitatus

    Why do you deliberately lie and dodge simple questions?

    Why not ask me, rather than hissy-fit third person?

    What difference does it make? You don’t answer questions which are directly asked to you unless they are OFF TOPIC. I wonder why?

    Had you asked, I would have said…

    But I did not ask and that is also off topic.

    But I did ask TEN ON TOPIC QUESTIONS which you REFUSE to answer and instead spam. Why?

    Alas, you didn’t ask. Like most URer’s your interest starts 1 Sep 1939, just like most gaming WW2 software. Go-figure!

    Incorrect, I am merely posting about the following topic:
    What Happened to Jews Sent to the Aktion Reinhardt Camps?
    Believe it or not, that’s the entire purpose of this comments section. Now, since the AR camps in question did not exist in 1939, it’s totally irrelevant. More weasel dodging, as expected

    Some might say Wear (and Theodore) are attempting to overturn overwhelming evidence to imply no Nazi killing of Jews occurred.

    We call those people “Wrong” and, perhaps, even “liars”. Because that’s exactly what those hypothetical individuals are.

    All side, [t]he real question is how a fringe party …

    No that’s not the real question. That’s completely irrelevant. The REAL QUESTION is regarding whether the AR camp Jews were gassed and buried or not. A question you continuously dodge.

    As Clubfoot Joe said

    Nice extremely deceptive quote. Goebbels did not say that 2.3 million jews were shot, that’s incorrect. In fact, it’s a misquote with serious omissions. Correct quote:
    “… At the moment, there is no way we can answer these things. If the Jews say, for example, we shot 2.5 million Jews in Poland or deported them to the East, we can’t of course say, it was only 2.3 million. We are not in a position to enter a discussion of these things, at least not in public…. “

    As we see, the “For example” is just him pulling a number out of his ass, and he explicitly says shot OR deported. Here is the original German text so anyone can see that your quote is deceptive and dishonest: https://paste2.org/ev047LLv

    I wonder if you personally misquoted the text to be deliberately deceptive because of your own crookedness, or if it was merely the source that you got it from successfully deceiving you. No reason to speculate, here you have TEN SIMPLE QUESTIONS to answer!

    And:

    Richard Korherr, Himmler’s chief statistician, estimates 1.2 million Jews killed in KZs

    Another pathetic lie, the report says nothing of the sort and Korherr himself claimed otherwise. Try again.

    Time answer the 10 simple questions to prove you’re not a “Holocaust denier”
    For your convenience, I have reproduced them below. I suggest re-reading comment #81 for the backstory.
    If you refuse I will assume your answer for each is “ZERO” and, therefore, you are a “Holocaust denier” which means you hate all Jews and want to gas them, and it also means you love Hitler.

    Ten Simple Questions:
    1 – Which of the 15 alleged Treblinka II mass graves can you forensically* prove contain the remains of at least 150 human beings (OR 750 lbs / 340 kg of remains): __?__
    2 – Which of the 24 alleged Sobibor mass graves can you forensically* prove contain the remains of at least 150 human beings (OR 750 lbs / 340 kg of remains): __?__
    3 – Which of the 33 alleged Belzec mass graves can you forensically* prove contain the remains of at least 150 human beings (OR 750 lbs / 340 kg of remains): __?__
    4-6 – Same as 1-3 but instead 1,500 human beings (OR 7,500 lbs / 3,400 kg of remains): __?__
    7-9 – Same as 1-3 but instead 15,000 human beings (OR 75,000 lbs / 34,000 kg of remains): __?__
    10 – How many of the 72 alleged graves at T2+S+B can you forensically* prove contain at least one milligram of human remains: __?__

    * to forensically prove the existence of a mass grave which is claimed to exist in a precisely known location, you must produce conclusive, bona fide, verifiable, photographically documented archaeological findings. In other words, you must post a photograph.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  215. Dannyboy says:
    @obvious

    lol… Wow you got a bad attitude, sonnyboy.

    I’ve heard tell you little millennial Daddy hatin’ faggots can’t even change a goddamn tire or jumpstart a fukin’ battery. Is that true?

  216. obvious says:
    @Robjil

    it’s not voodoo if it works.

    or maybe it IS voodoo, because it works

  217. obvious says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    nah, you’re just obsessed with yourself. It’s about the Jews because it’s about the Great Jew in your head, which must be some kind of nagging presence i am unfamiliar with but many seem to carry around. Otherwise, you wouldn’t care.

    Nobody is “making” children do anything, unless it was their own parents and immediate society.

    None of this is real. I find it interesting from the perspective of history- that’s different. It requires no more than 15 minutes of attention in one lifetime. I think you have already exceeded your quota.

    To paraphrase the Bible, “go dwell upon God”. This is ungodly and vain.

  218. obvious says:
    @Corvinus

    It’s easier to dupe intelligent people, they stay more focused on details and can absorb all of these ideas. All propaganda and brainwashing is designed for the thinking classes, not the unwashed masses. Thinking and literacy are both a curse and a burden.

    Try this shit with the apes sometime, they don’t care. You need simple flashing colors and loud noises. Then notice a lot of people pretend to read, or manage to parrot the sound of literacy. Think about the typical Trump voter, or any voter for that matter.

    In the Bible somewhere it says “even the very Wise will be Fooled” in latter days. Brainwashing starts with childhood, so it’s inter-generational. Then the whole social structure and economy is designed to reinforce all of these demands, so it multiplies and becomes self sustaining.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  219. Wally says:
    @Incitatus

    said:
    “(Richard Korherr, Himmler’s chief statistician, estimates 1.2 million Jews killed in KZs and an additional 633,300 in occupied USSR through the end of 1942 in a report submitted to Hitler Apr 1943)”

    – Another typical Zionist lie from Incitatus.

    – The Korherr Report is explained by Richard Korherr himself, who said:

    “The well-known, racially persecuted writer H.G. Adler, previously resident in Prague, now in London, wrote in the foreword to the second edition to his extraordinary book Theresienstadt 1941-1945 in 1960:

    “It has definitely been determined that the designation of Dr. Korherr as SS-statistician…is not true, because he never belonged to the SS and has been rehabilitated insofar as his behaviour in the National Socialist years is concerned.”

    Unfortunately, Der Spiegel is publishing the claim of the English historian Irving that in the spring of 1942, at Himmler’s order, I calculated the number of Jewish victims. In fact, these figures along with the text were delivered to me in completed form by the Reich Security Main Office (RSHA) with the order that not one word or figure was to be changed.

    The statement that I had claimed in this regard that more than a million Jews had died as a result of special treatment in the camps in German-occupied Poland and in the Warthegau is also incorrect. I have to protest against the word “died” in this context.

    It was precisely the term “special treatment” (sonderbehandlung) that motivated me to inquire of the RSHA by telephone what this term meant. I received the answer that it referred to Jews who would be settled in the District of Lublin.”

    – Dr. Richard Korherr

    Braunschweig Nr. 28, July 1977, p. 72-74, Der SPIEGEL

    Incitatus and more of his Zionist lies demolished here: http://www.unz.com/?s=incitatus&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Incitatus
  220. Wally says:
    @Saggy

    said:
    “the photos taken at Belsen after the war that show prisoners who died of disease and that are shown as being of Jews gassed in the holocaust ….”

    – Indeed, not a single autopsy ever revealed anyone being gassed. Not one.

    Belsen, another examples of absurd & typical debunked “holocaust” lies:

    Mother and I used to get up at four in the morning [at Belsen], to avoid the queues of people waiting to use the shower block about and hour later. We undressed and showered our bodies with ice-cold water. The only soap we had was a barrel of honey-coloured liquid soap, manufactured out of human flesh from the bodies of people shot by the SS on the transports. Many times we wondered: ‘Could this be my brother, my sister, another relation?

    – Gena Turgel nee Goldfinger, I Light a Candle, London: Grafton, 1987, p. 102.

    You will imprisoned in Europe if you do not accept such nonsense.

    recommended, Belsen included:
    The Liberation of the Camps: Facts vs. Lies: http://codoh.com/library/document/865/?lang=en

    • Replies: @Saggy
  221. Corvinus says:
    @Dannyboy

    “Well you see the bottom line is that it doesn’t really matter any more, if in fact it did go down according to all the tall tales and lurid mythology.”

    Exactly how the Holocaust hoaxers work these days. You are a prime example.

    “The cat is long out of the bag, my angry little Leftist friend, and there’s no going back.”

    Except I’m not Leftist. I’m a educated, white man who makes his own decisions about race and culture.

    “The Jew lead and financed Left have killed and enslaved more human beings and produced more revolution, upheaval and unrest than any other entity in recorded history.”

    That is Fake News.

  222. Dannyboy says:

    What happened to the women in Roswell, Georgia in 1864?

    You tell me that and maybe I’ll start to give a fuck about these Jews…lol

  223. Corvinus says:
    @Theodore

    “Because it’s simply an incorrect belief system, it’s a complete and utter hoax.”

    The reality is that the Holocaust happened.

    “No it is not. There is no religion that the majority of humans believed, nothing close.”

    That is a strawman. I never directly nor indirectly made that argument.

    “Are you saying that hundreds of religions are all true at the same time?”

    It is a matter of truth for its adherents.

    “Are you saying those pagans were not hoodwinked into believing their tribal deities were real, they merely had “faith” in something that is utterly and completely false?”

    You are making an assumption here.

    “FACT is, most believe believed things that were completely and utterly incorrect.”

    Another assumption on your part.

    “Nope, I am not doing that at all.”

    Actually, you are. The group are Holocaust Deniers. You are conforming to their beliefs. The proof is you link to codoh.com

    “I am willing to discuss the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. Refer to the questions I posted and wrote myself in comment #81 – questions you are AFRAID TO ANSWER because you know your answers will utterly demolish this entire “Holocaust” fantasy religion you have been indoctrinated into.”

    The physical evidence is quite clear, along with the answers to your questions. But I don’t expect you to change your mind.

    https://www.livescience.com/44443-treblinka-archaeological-excavation.html

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/unearthing-the-atrocities-of-nazi-death-camps/

    “Funny because you posted links as if they support your claim that I am wrong, but actually say the opposite LOL.”

    Actually, they demolish your “argument”.

    “Most historians” is not going to work here, bud. That’s not a legitimate argument.”

    Actually, it is a legitimate argument. There work is based on facts, reasoning, and logic.

    “Sure, but that really depends what you consider a “Human” – I would say anatomically modern humans existed for over 200,000 years.”

    Just as I suspected, you changed the goalposts.

  224. Corvinus says:
    @obvious

    “It’s easier to dupe intelligent people, they stay more focused on details and can absorb all of these ideas.”

    Sources?

    “All propaganda and brainwashing is designed for the thinking classes, not the unwashed masses.”

    Actually, propaganda and brainwashing is designed for ALL people regardless of their social status.

  225. Dannyboy says:

    Except I’m not Leftist. I’m a educated, white man who makes his own decisions about race and culture.

    All Leftist filth say the same thing.

    “By their fruits ye shall know them”

  226. Saggy says: • Website
    @Wally

    “the photos taken at Belsen after the war that show prisoners who died of disease and that are shown as being of Jews gassed in the holocaust ….”

    The typhus epidemic is documented in a British documentary that was made from footage taken when the Brits liberated Belsen, which is no doubt why they shelved the film for 50 years. You can now see it here …. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/memory-of-the-camps/
    It also contains the bulldozer shot and the rest of the horrific Belsen clips used in the hoax. The bulldozer shot was used in the Oprah/Elie Auschwitz special.

    Here’s a shot taken as the Brits entered the camp ….

    Look like Anne Frank to me …

    The older woman is Luba Trz …., known as the angel of Belsen, she took care of children at Belsen, in particular 50 or so known as the diamond children because there parents were diamond merchants in Amsterdam. See also …. http://faculty.ce.berkeley.edu/coby/essays/coalchild.htm ‘Memories of a Coal Child’

    • Replies: @Theodore
  227. Wally says:
    @Corvinus

    Corvinus posts his best shot at showing us the the alleged human remains of the alleged ca. 900,000 Jews at Treblinka, yet there no human remains shown or even found in his posted ‘excavation’ links. LOL
    – Clueless, he thinks that the farce of Sturdy-Colls is a big deal, yet Revisionists have simply beat the tar out of her sham dig.
    – Show us the alleged 900,000 Jew remains, Corvinus. They are claimed to exist right there.

    Sturdy-Colls is old news, totally debunked, see:
    The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax:


    more:
    Mass Graves claimed to be found at Treblinka: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6804
    Caroline Sturdy-Colls lied.: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11121
    Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7972
    Con attempt: Caroline Colls, local girl makes good: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6893

  228. @SolontoCroesus

    Show us that “hard core documentary evidence,” Corvinus.

    That “hard core evidence” went the way of the [human skin] lampshades and [fat turned into] soap bars…

    …dropped into the dustbin of history, wrapped in a pack of lies, never to be seen, ever again.

    • Agree: John Wear
  229. @Theodore

    Even people with 1 standard deviation above median (100) IQ can easily be hoodwinked

    I refer to the above using the following equation:

    H=MEC2

    In which:

    H = Hoodwinked
    M = Madoff’s
    E = Elaborate
    C2 = Cunning & Conniving

    Highly intelligent people, all royally shafted.

    • Agree: L.K
    • Replies: @L.K
  230. @Skeptikal

    During Tsarist rule, Jews were not allowed live in Moscow or St Petersburg. They were confined to living in their traditional areas, which correspond to Polish and Ukrainian territories of today. This was the “Pale of Settlement”

    When the Bolsheviks took over, the restrictions were removed, large numbers of Jews moved eastwards.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  231. @Wally

    – Another typical Zionist lie from Incitatus.

    Likely a German based shill, the “Bundeszentrale für politische Bildung” have their shills trying to safe the ideological foundations of the “Federal Republic of Germany”. A allied banana republic, worse than a 3rd world dictatorships in Africa.
    He used the nonsensical abbreviation “KZ” in his hubris, allegedly meaning concentration camp. However, the proper German terminology used in documentation was KL(Konzentrationslager).
    I have no clue what actually “KZ” really means, never found out why the Jews picked “KZ”.

    These people protect the entire stinking corrupt ideology established since decades, the “new Germany”, the “Jew Republic”, Weimar 2.0.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Fox
    , @Incitatus
  232. @Corvinus

    The reality is that the Holocaust happened.

    This is very imprecise of you.
    You failed to define “holocaust”, which your cangaroo talmudic courts avoid and refuse to do.

    Your properly formed sentence for adults should read….

    The reality is that the Holocaust happened, because I said so! If you doubt me, I throw you all in jail! And your lawyers too! *hysteric gasp of an exposed liar and religious nutcase*

  233. utu says:
    @Germanicus

    “I have no clue what actually “KZ”

    You are ignoramus wannabe Nazi Hitler fanboy.

    KZ – A common acronym in Germany after establishing the camp in Dachau. Dachau was known as “KZ”. Konzentrationslager, Pronunciation: KZ –kah-‘tsett. Also

    KZ-Außenlager
    KZ Außenkommandos

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Fox
  234. Theodore says:
    @Corvinus

    The reality is that the Holocaust happened.

    That’s demonstrably false. In fact, read comment #81 I have posted. Your inability to answer the 10 simple questions shows that it is a demonstrably false statement. Also, your complete unwillingness to substantiate this silly “Holocaust” story is also very strong evidence.

    It only happened in your mind.

    That is a strawman. I never directly nor indirectly made that argument.

    It’s implied by your claim that I am wrong that most people in history were hoodwinked. Unless you believe hundreds of religions are simultaneously true, then most people believed obviously wrong belief systems. Therefore, most people were hoodwinked into believing nonsense.

    It is a matter of truth for its adherents.

    Nope, it’s demonstrably false. Demonstrated by your inability to prove your absurd claims, just repeating “NO IT IS TRUE IT HAPPENED IT IS TRUE WAHHHH”

    So infantile!

    You are making an assumption here.

    So you don’t agree with my assumption that Zeus and Poseidon and all of the other deities are mythical? Well, you would refuse to admit these things just because it would destroy your own argument and prove that your statements are false.

    Actually, you are. The group are Holocaust Deniers. You are conforming to their beliefs. The proof is you link to codoh.com

    Please stop pretending to be an idiot. “Holocaust deniers” are not a group. Who is the leader? They disagree on many important details. I personally post on CODOH myself, so linking to my own statements is not any sort of “conforming”
    The CODOH Forum is, you guessed it, a DEBATE forum. There is debate between Holocaust “believers” and “deniers” and people who are not yet sure. There is also debate within said groups.

    Please, stop pretending to be a moron.

    The physical evidence is quite clear, along with the answers to your questions. But I don’t expect you to change your mind.

    https://www.livescience.com/44443-treblinka-archaeological-excavation.html

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/unearthing-the-atrocities-of-nazi-death-camps/

    No, it is not clear.
    Not a single photograph of even one “Huge mass grave” containing the remains of a mere 0.01% of the alleged 1.5 million Jews claimed to have been gassed, burned, and buried in said “Huge mass graves” which were covered with “a thick layer of sand and dirt” at Treblinka 2, Belzec, and Sobibor

    Again, re-read my comment #81.
    I am aware of all of those links you have posted, I’ve seen them at least 20 times by now.

    By the way, the first link TOTALLY DEMOLISHED here in video form:
    https://archive.org/details/TheTreblinkaArchaeologyHoax

    Actually, they demolish your “argument”.

    Prove it
    Do you really think if a person from 5,000 years ago was transplanted into the modern world, given a haircut and dressed in normal clothes, everyone would look at him and think “What the fuck is this guy? Is this even human?”
    No. They were anatomically modern people. The differences are almost exclusively those strongly selected traits that I listed: ability to digest grains without issue, lactose tolerance, resistance to certain diseases, etc.
    The guy would blend in perfectly with societies living today. He would be pretty much indistinguishable from the average person. You may scratch your head and wonder what ethnicity he is for a bit (depends where he is from, really) but he wouldn’t raise any eyebrows or confuse any doctors. To pretend otherwise is just laughable. Prove me wrong with actual arguments, don’t spam links you haven’t even read.

    Actually, it is a legitimate argument. There work is based on facts, reasoning, and logic.

    No it’s called a fallacy, your argument is a fallacy.
    Try again.
    Please prove the existence of just ONE (01) “Huge mass grave” containing the remains of a mere 0.1% of the alleged 1.5+ million jews claimed to have been gassed, burned, and buried in said graves at: Treblinka 2, Belzec, or Sobibor. JUST ONE MASS GRAVE with a mere ONE TENTH OF ONE PERCENT (remains of 1,500 people)

    You couldn’t do it if your life depended on it! Now that’s a FACT

    Just as I suspected, you changed the goalposts.

    No goalposts were changed at all, not once.
    But you did what we all expected:
    – Ignored every point on the “Holocaust” and just repeat “Nope it happened, the experts proved it!”
    – Only go in a bit of detail on irrelevant, unrelated nonsense

    In other words, you’re a spammer.

    FACT:
    You can NOT prove the existence of just ONE (01) “Huge mass grave” containing the remains of a mere 0.1% of the alleged 1.5+ million jews claimed to have been gassed, burned, and buried in said graves at: Treblinka 2, Belzec, or Sobibor. JUST ONE MASS GRAVE with a mere ONE TENTH OF ONE PERCENT (remains of 1,500 people)

    FACT 2:
    Only a blubbering, moronic FOOL would still believe the Treblinka 2 + Belzec + Sobibor “Holocausts” despite being challenged to show one single “huge mass grave” with a mere 0.1% and being unable to complete said challenge.

    You’re a fool. You can’t do it. But you’ll believe that it not only exists, but 1,000 times as much exists. You can’t show just a fraction of a percent!

    Your believe in the “Holocaust” conspiracy theory is entirely faith-based, there are no facts

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  235. Theodore says:
    @Saggy

    Despite being a symbol for the fraudulent “Holocaust” conspiracy theory, Anne Frank’s story (and all of those around here) categorically refutes the entire narrative.

    The details of the eight individuals from the Annex are:

    The Frank Family was detained for failing to report for labor service and for going into hiding.

    1. Anne Frank– sent to Auschwitz, then transported to Belsen where she died of typhus (in Belsen not Auschwitz).

    2. Otto Frank– left behind in Auschwitz with those in the sick barracks. Survived the War.

    3. Edith Frank-Holländer–left behind in Auschwitz as the Germans retreated.

    4. Margot Frank (Anne’s older sister) died of typhus in Belsen (not Auschwitz).

    5. Fritz Pfeffer, sent to Auschwitz then transported to Neuengamme concentration camp where he died on 20 December 1944. His cause of death is listed in the camp records as “enterocolitis.”

    6. Auguste van Pels born Auguste Röttgen (Hermann’s wife), whose date of death is unknown. Witnesses testified that she was with the Frank sisters during part of their time in Bergen-Belsen. According to German records, van Pels was sent to Bergen-Belsen concentration camp in Germany with a group of eight women on November 26, 1944. Hannah Goslar’s testimony was that she spoke to van Pels through the barbed wire fence “in late January or early February”. Auguste was transferred on February 6, 1945 to Raguhn (Buchenwald in Germany), then to the Czechoslovakia camp Theresienstadt ghetto on April 9, 1945.

    7. Peter van Pels died in Mauthausen (not Auschwitz).

    8. Hermann van Pels died in Auschwitz. It is often claimed that he was “gassed.” However, according to eyewitness testimony, this did not happen on the day of his arrival there. Sal de Liema, an inmate at Auschwitz who knew both Otto Frank and Hermann van Pels, said that after two or three days in the camp, van Pels mentally “gave up.” He later injured his thumb on a work detail, and requested to be sent to the sick barracks. There is no evidence whatever for the assertion that Hermann van Pels was gassed.

    The pattern is the same with other groups closely associated with Anne Frank who were also sent to Auschwitz from Holland.

    9. Eva Geiringer — born May 11, 1929. Sent to Auschwitz May 1944 Step-sister of Anne Frank. Survived the War.

    10. “Fritzy” Geiringer, mother of Eva, Married Otto Frank. Survived the War.

    11. Heinz Geiringer, brother. Survived Auschwitz but died on a forced march out of the camp.

    12. “Pappy” Geiringer. Survived Auschwitz but died on a forced march out of the camp.

    The Geiringers were immigrants from Austria; They too ignored a call up for labor service received July 6, 1942 and went into hiding. They were found out on May 11, 1944, detained and were sent to Auschwitz that month.

    13. Janny Brandes-Brilleslijper. Was arrested for forgery. Was in the Westerbork, Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen concentration camps. Traveled to Auschwitz on the same train as the Frank family and to Belsen with Anne and Anne’s older sister Margot. Survived the War.

    14. Lientje, sister of Janny. Was in the Westerbork, Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen concentration camps with Janny. Survived the War.

    The Importance of Anne Frank
    https://codoh.com/library/document/4543/

    • Agree: John Wear
    • Replies: @Saggy
  236. @utu

    KZ makes as much sense as abbreviating toiletbrush with TE. If someone asks what TE stands for, a clown like you will answer:

    Isn’t it obvious? You ignoramus Brushzi! It stands for toiletbrush!

    Again you muppet, the German documentation uses KL, Konzentrationslager, properly abbreviated.

    So where does “KZ” come from if not from German documentation?

    “Außenkommandos” abreviated with “KZ”? Are you joking? K like außen? Z like Kommando? You are making a fool of yourself.

    • Replies: @utu
  237. S says:
    @Theodore

    … As a Jew, I must reject the assumption that we Jews forever were just the faultless and powerless victims of other peoples’ abuse and injustices, and must admit our own faults…

    I applaud the brutal honesty this writer displays. I strive for this type of honesty towards my own. The times demand it.

    It provides for the best chance of resolving problems between peoples.

  238. Saggy says: • Website
    @Theodore

    1. Anne Frank– sent to Auschwitz, then transported to Belsen where she died of typhus (in Belsen not Auschwitz).

    There is no actual direct evidence that she died at Auschwitz. And certainly no direct evidence that she died of typhus. And, in fact, the story has changed recently …
    https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/report-anne-frank-may-have-died-earlier-than-origi/nkjgB/ .

    So, why state that she died at Belsen without direct evidence?

    Second there is the photograph. The kids in the picture are Jewish children from Amsterdam who were cared for at Belsen by Luba Try……. They were taken to Amsterdam after the war as a group and met the Queen. The group has maintained contact and had reunions. To my knowledge none in the group has said a word about Anne Frank. I emailed the Anne Frank center in Amsterdam and asked them about the picture, and they said they had no knowledge of it, and were unable to identify the girl who resembles Anne Frank.

    I think the photo is prima facie direct evidence that she did not die at Belsen, but I don’t think it is conclusive, as it could be someone else. Do you think the photo is of Anne Frank or not?

    So, given the failure of the Anne Frank center to address the photo and identify the girl, I think it is likely that she is Anne Frank. If not it would be easy for the Anne Frank center or the Luba Trz… group to prove.

    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @Wally
  239. Fox says:
    @utu

    “KZ” does not make sense as an abbreviation or an acronym; hence, Germanicus is correct, it is not clear in what thought process the use of KZ instead of KL originates from. KL is a composite of the first letters of the two words “Konzentration” and “Lager”, making up the word Konzentrationslager. KZ is not an acronym, as such are made up from the first letters of compound words, as in USSR or ADL.

  240. S says:
    @refl

    When you look at Nazi atrocities from that perspective, you will come to the real story: The plan to deport Jews eastward, letting them die along the way or not, hardly ever carried out systematicaly, but with tremendous incidental violence.
    And then the whole thing gets stuck, because the territory to be conquered cannot be conquered. At the end stands the final calamity of detainees being hoarded in ever more inadequate camps in ever more lethal conditions.
    That should be enough disaster to chew on. So no need for hoaxes.

    Two problems with what you have said.

    It doesn’t allow for nearly enough alleged evil and wickedness so that:

    1) First and foremost, powerful elements amongst the Jewish elites and their hangers on can use it towards their own as a negative means of social control via fear and terrorization

    2) It can be used as a powerful demonization device against declared enemies and others so as to suppress them

  241. Fox says:
    @Germanicus

    I thought at one point as well that Incitatus is a German extremist, but from certain observations about his commenting I’ve concluded that he lives in the US, perhaps as a long-time German resident. What he says does indeed sound like the the official doctrinal line of the Federal Republic of Germany, perfectly in sync with the program of “politics of history” (Geschichtspolitik) there, a relentless and evermore brutal instrument of indoctrination of everyone round the clock.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  242. utu says:
    @Germanicus

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konzentrationslager
    Die KZ-Systeme im Deutschen Reich
    Liste der KZ und ihrer Außenlager
    Funktion der KZ

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/KZ
    The expected initialism KL was used officially at least in the earlier years of the National Socialist concentration camps. While it is not entirely clear how the informal variant KZ originated, it is usually thought that it came to be preferred and eventually standardised due to its sounding harsher. A possible origin is from the fact that the common German pronunciation of Konzentrationslager contains the cluster [ts], predominantly represented in German by the letter Z, three times: [ˌkɔn.tsɛn.tʁaˈtsjoːntsˌlaːɡɐ]. Another theory derives it from Zuchthaus (“prison with aggravated conditions of detention”), which at least officially, however, was never used for the camps.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @refl
  243. @utu

    Please show me an original German document that uses “KZ”.
    Just show me one, wikipedia is clown world, and it basically admits the occupiers introduced this “KZ” nonsense.

    You are desperate man, desperate.
    I will eventually tell you later why you people use these nonsensical linguistic black magic spells.
    You are peddling All-lies, and hurl “not see” around, my kabbalah friend.

    KZ=Kabballah Zentrum?

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Wally
  244. L.K says:
    @Germanicus

    Hey Germanicus,

    Don’t waste your time with sad little liar ‘utu’.

    This clown is a hysterical anti-revisionist who arrogantly wanted to define here at Unz which parts of WW2 could be revised and the parts that utu thinks cannot and should not be challenged, such as the holohoax.

    This cretin is on RECORD here at Unz stating that as long as one can get away with propaganda, why not use it and even proposed that the Poles should emulate the Jews and create their own Polish holohoax propaganda!
    The imbecile – who is probably a US american of Polish descent or something( given his heavy pro Polish biases) – pretends not to know that Poland has already created its own, largely fraudulent, victim mythology, aka, the Polish holohoax, for a very long time now…

    I could go on, but just not worth it.

  245. L.K says:
    @Daniel Rich

    Highly intelligent people, all royally shafted

    Indeed.

    In fact, I sometimes think that so called high IQ people may be actually easier to fool than avg types, for various reasons.
    Revusky dissected this well in an article here, he calls such folks high IQ Idiots or HIQI! 🙂

    • LOL: Daniel Rich
  246. refl says:
    @utu

    the common German pronunciation of Konzentrationslager contains the cluster [ts], predominantly represented in German by the letter Z, three times

    No, it is twice, unless you have a serious problem with pronounciation – who the f* is allowed to write on Wikipedia? But it would be interesting, how and when the term KZ came into use. It cannot have been the people who managed the camp system.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  247. Theodore says:
    @Saggy

    I am not going to speculate on the photograph being Anne Frank or not. The text you quoted there is something I quoted from a source I linked to in the same comment.

    The reality is that Anne Frank was not gassed @ Auschwitz but instead sent to Bergen Belsen, and nobody else affiliated with her was gassed at Auschwitz either.
    Whether she died of typhus or something else or didn’t die at all does not change the central point.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  248. @refl

    No, it is twice

    I count one freaking z in Konzentrationslager.

    To solve the riddle, the “KZ” comes from the same kabbalah sorcery as “nazi”. Note the common “z”, wikipedia accidentally gave away the reason, just that it was not used by German bureaucracy at all.

    If I say sorcery, I mean sorcery, this is what these guys motivates to do it.

    • Replies: @refl
  249. @Theodore

    I am not going to speculate on the photograph being Anne Frank or not. The text you quoted there is something I quoted from a source I linked to in the same comment.

    Some years ago, there was speculation on a iirc polish site if Anne Frank was actually Audrey Hepburn.
    I found that interesting, and my digging resulted in a “could be”

  250. Incitatus says:
    @Theodore

    “Why do you deliberately lie and dodge simple questions?”

    As opposed to involuntarily lie and dodge? Great question.

    Why do you beat your wife?

    “You don’t answer questions which are directly asked to you unless they are OFF TOPIC”

    Frantic words from a rather compromised enforcer. Any reason for not confronting SolontoCrœsus for straying off subject? No, of course not. He’s on the team. What a surprise!

    Read my previous reply. The subject (sniffing Reinhardt Camps and parsing body counts), though perhaps interesting, strays far from lessons that need be taken from NSDAP’s Germany. No disrespect, it’s an egregious waste of time. Equal and opposite to those who insist WW2 was exclusively all about Jews. Cats and Dogs fighting again! You guys deserve each other.

    “Nice extremely deceptive quote”

    Göbbels 14 Dec 1942 Ministerial Conference quote and Korherr? Take it up with Nicolas Stargardt (cited in my post). It’s a reasonable wager you and Wally have somewhat minor relative status. Why should any believe you?

    Here’s a thought. ‘Revisionists’ like you and Wally want to re-scramble history one step at a time. Step one: Jews died, but not at Reinhardt Camps. Step two: Jews weren’t shot by Einsatzgruppen. Step three: no Jews were clubbed to death and otherwise murdered by willing auxiliaries; Step four no Jews died; Step five: nobody (except victim Nazis) died; Step six: Adolf Hitler was a saint we should all follow. Sound familiar?

    Kind of like exonerating John Wayne Gacy because forensics on a couple victims are indeterminate. Then building Gacy into a cult hero. Forgive me, but that’s how you (and Wally) seem in your Hitler romance.

    What do you ignore? Ordinary Germans Hitler/NSDAP killed prior and after the ‘Tag der Machtergreifung‘ [‘Day of Seizure of Power’ – their preferred name as revolutionaries] 30 Jan 1933? Death or imprisonment of subsequent dissenters. That’s what I worry about.

    How jealous you (and Wally) are of those concerned with ordinary Germans. And how empty your search. Wait. You don’t really search, do you?

    Here’s something I read today:

    “He [Hitler] listened to my proposal [to break him out of Berlin], and then he said “No Weidlung, I do not want to risk dying in the streets like a dog.”Our soldiers have been dying in the streets of Europe for the past six years – at his command! For him to imply now that such a death is somehow dishonorable is loathsome.”
    – General der Artillerie Helmuth Weidling, Commander of the Berlin Defense Area, 30 Apr 1945 to Major Siegfried Knappe [Knappe ‘Soldat’ p.45]

    And:

    “But our men had been dying in the streets of Berlin every day and every night since we had arrived in the city, and they had died in the streets of other cities before Berlin. For Hitler to be so disrespectful toward the men who were sacrificing their own lives every day just to keep him alive on more day filled me with anger also. Many men who had served under my command had died since the beginning of the war. My own brother had died “for Fuuhrer and Fatherland”. No wonder Weidling was angry. We had both been in the war from the beginning, and we had both seen countless deaths in our almost six years of war. As soldiers, we accepted death – even our own if it came – as a natural part of our lives. We accepted it as a price we had to pay for a cause we had thought just, at least in the beginning. We were perhaps only now, at the last possible moment, beginning to see clearly what kind of man we had been following.”
    – Major Siegfried Knappe on Hitler’s 30 Apr 1945 refusal to “risk dying in the streets like a dog” breaking out of Berlin [Knappe ‘Soldat’ p. 45]

    the kind of man we had been following.” Adolf Hitler, douche bag, full stop, by those who knew him best.

    Good luck spinning that Teddy. Perhaps Spam-Master Wally has a handy codoh link?

    BTW, are you in any way associated with ‘Leave it to Beaver’? Great show. How are Ward and June? Wally? Stick to family. That’s the important thing.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  251. Wally says:
    @Germanicus

    See Zionist utu demolished on his hilarious attempt to support the absurd & impossible ‘Nazi gas chambers’:
    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-post-war-france-and-post-war-germany/
    comment #429

  252. Wally says:
    @Saggy

    The complete destruction of the contrived Anne Frank mythology, fake diary, and her criminal family.
    Anne Frank’s Diary Gains ‘Co-Authors’ / and much more: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9924

    – Per the fake Anne Frank diary, see all the different hand writings within it.
    examples:
    http://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1498&t=1
    http://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1497&t=1
    http://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1496&t=1
    http://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1495&t=1

    • Replies: @Saggy
  253. Incitatus says:
    @Wally

    Ah, yes the usual “Another typical Zionist lie from Incitatus”.

    Forget previous discussion (i519, w522, i707, w709, i713)? We talked about imprisoned clerics, Dachau, arrest without trial, without charge, ‘protective custody’ and the rest. Remember?

    http://www.unz.com/article/evidence-for-the-german-euthanasia-program-compared-to-the-holocaust/?showcomments#new_comments

    You never answered. Simple questions, fourth request:

    • Were clerical KZ inmates silenced (forbidden public sermons, public mass)? Why?
    • What did Hitler and Göbbels mean by “break him” referring to Niemöller? Be specific.
    • Why did the Führer – a busy man – take personal interest in Niemöller?
    • Was religion “opposition to the state”?
    • Did Nazi Germany allow freedom of conscience?
    • Why could clerics/anyone be imprisoned without trial [‘investigative custody’, ‘preventative custody’, ‘protective custody]?
    • Why didn’t Hitler keep his 1932 “word of honor, to protect the Church, and not to issue any anti-Church laws”?
    • What were the clerics’ crimes? Be specific.
    • Why were 1,000+ priests executed Sep-Dec 1939 in Poland?
    • You rationalize arrest of clerics in “time of war”: was Germany at war in 1937 (when Niemöller and others were imprisoned)?
    • Why were 10,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses arrested (1200 died in custody, including 200 executions)?

    Then there’s your previous evasion on Operation Hummingbird victims. Lost track (sorry) of your evasions for the murder of:

    – Chancellor Kurt von Schleicher and wife (shot dead in their foyer)
    – Herbert von Bose (von Papen’s press chief; shot ten times in the back);
    – Generalmajor Ferdinand von Bredow (shot in the face opening his door);
    – Catholic journalist Fritz Gerlich (murdered at Dauchau);
    – Conservative lawyer Edgar Julius Jung (shot, dumped in an Oranienburg ditch);
    – Catholic politician and Papen associate Erich Klausener (shot by the SS);
    – Catholic youth leader Adalbert Probst (abducted, “shot while trying to escape”);
    – Gustav Ritter von Kahr (former Bavarian commissioner who suppressed the Nov ’33 Putsch; hacked to death with pickaxes in a wood outside of Munich);
    – Karl-Günther Heimsoth physician, activist, knew Röhm (knew too many secrets, shot by Berlin SS Jul ‘34

    Yes, I know, too many for you, codoh, and anyone to deal with.

    Concentrate on Otto Ballerstedt (electrical engineer, veteran, writer, Bayernbund leader). Personally assaulted and severely injured by Hitler 14 Sep 1921 when the latter broke-up a Ballerstedt meeting in Munich Löwenbräukeller. Otto was dragged out of the hall bleeding in extremis. Hitler and Hermann Esser were arrested, convicted 27-29 Jan 1922 of breach of the peace, public indecency and assault. Hitler served less than a month (a third of his sentence).

    In other words, Hitler was exposed no better than a felonious thug.

    Ballerstedt retired from politics 1925, no threat to the NSDAP. Yet he was arrested by SS 30 Jun ’34, killed near or in Dauchau, body found 1 Jul ’34 in forest near Gündinger Neuhimmelreich shot in the back of the head;

    Tell us about Otto Ballerstedt Wally. Tell us about imprisoned and murdered clerics.

    Still waiting.

    Don’t worry. Won’t hold my breath.

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Theodore
  254. Saggy says: • Website
    @Wally

    The complete destruction of the contrived Anne Frank mythology, fake diary, and her criminal family.

    There are two parts to the holohoax, #1 – what did and did not happen to the Jews, this is a question of historical fact, and #2 – the creation and continued selling of the hoax which is a massive enterprise and is going on right now, and every institution in the US, every news media, every academic save Arthur Butz is participating.

    Make that 3 parts, #3 – the consequences of the hoax, starting with the endless wars in the middle east and the total corruption of the US govt.

    The essential facts have been known and publicized since 1976 when Butz published his book, so #1 is basically only of academic interest. unless it can be exploited by the revisionists, and so far nothing has met that requirement.

    And, publication of the essential facts hasn’t affected parts #2 and #3. So while the revisionists on CODOH debate the merits of some aspect of historical record, the hoax rolls on, totally unconcerned.

    That, btw, is one of the remarkable things about the hoax. The Jews seem to revel in its absurdity and the fact that it is plainly preposterous. E.g. in the most read book on the hoax, endlessly promoted by the Jews, title ‘Night’, we read on page 6

    Infants were tossed into the air and used as targets for the machine guns.

    and later that the Nazis killed the Jews by tossing them alive into burning pits, one for children and one for adults. He doesn’t mention gas chambers.

    So, some other angles of attack are necessary.

    • Replies: @Wally
  255. Corvinus says:
    @Theodore

    The Holocaust happened.

    “It’s implied by your claim that I am wrong that most people in history were hoodwinked.”

    Indeed, you are wrong. Now, unless you are able to muster up the requisite evidence

    “Unless you believe hundreds of religions are simultaneously true, then most people believed obviously wrong belief systems. Therefore, most people were hoodwinked into believing nonsense.”

    No, hundreds of religions are based on a person’s faith, or individual pursuit of a truth. Each religion is “true” to its adherents. People don’t believe in an “obviously wrong belief systems”, they believe a belief system that a group thought to be true. Obviously, a person from one faith will make the claim that another person’s faith is other than true. Why? Because they are of the mindset that they beliefs are superior. The fact of the matter is that religion is a personal experience. It is based on faith in a particular set of beliefs.

    “No. They were anatomically modern people. The differences are almost exclusively those strongly selected traits that I listed: ability to digest grains without issue, lactose tolerance, resistance to certain diseases, etc.”

    The two articles I posted clearly refuted your statement. You are apparently upset because you were exposed.

    “The guy would blend in perfectly with societies living today. He would be pretty much indistinguishable from the average person.”

    And here you move the goalposts yet again. Have you no dignity?

    “Please stop pretending to be an idiot. “Holocaust deniers” are not a group.”

    Of course they are a group. The founder or leader was Bradley Smith. Why are you being purposely obtuse here?

    Pray tell, what makes YOU in the apparent minority as being other than hoodwinked? How are certain that you have not been duped yourself?

    • Replies: @Brewer
    , @Theodore
    , @Wally
  256. Incitatus says:
    @Germanicus

    “Likely a German based shill, the “Bundeszentrale für politische Bildung” have their shills trying to safe the ideological foundations of the “Federal Republic of Germany”. A allied banana republic, worse than a 3rd world dictatorships in Africa.”

    Really? “A German based shill.” From one who doesn’t appreciate his chosen screen-name sobriquet (“Germanicus”) was awarded to Roman conquerors of barbarian Teutons, the very people he blindly champions through devotion to NSDAP scum bags?

    You can’t make this stuff up!

    • Troll: Germanicus
  257. Incitatus says:
    @Fox

    “I thought at one point as well that Incitatus is a German extremist, but from certain observations about his commenting I’ve concluded that he lives in the US, perhaps as a long-time German resident.”

    “Extremist”? Really? Very interesting.

    And you are what, Fox? A ‘moderate’ hawking fringe nut-case revisionism? Clueless Germanicus and Spam-master Wally?

    Good luck.

  258. Brewer says:
    @Corvinus

    Speaking as a curious bystander, one who has no firm opinion either for or against the official narrative but has read extensively on the topic, I can assure you that this sort of nonsense:

    Of course they are a group. The founder or leader was Bradley Smith. Why are you being purposely obtuse here?

    exposes you to ridicule and undermines your case.
    One of the first to question the official story was Paul Rassinier – former inmate at Buchenwald.

    By 1948, Paul Rassinier had been a history teacher for over twenty-two years, and was distressed to read stories about the concentration camps and deportations that he claimed were not true. He was also appalled at the unilateral condemnation of Nazi Germany for crimes against humanity that from his experience in Morocco, he did not consider unique, and claimed to fear that nationalistic hatreds and bitterness would divide Europe. As he explained it in The Lie of Ulysses:

    one day I realized that a false picture of the German camps had been created and that the problem of the concentration camps was a universal one, not just one that could be disposed of by placing it on the doorstep of the National Socialists. The deportees—many of whom were Communists—had been largely responsible for leading international political thinking to such an erroneous conclusion. I suddenly felt that by remaining silent I was an accomplice to a dangerous influence.

    Rassinier’s first book, Crossing the Line (1949), an account of his experience in Buchenwald, was an immediate critical and commercial success, one reviewer describing it as “the first testimony coldly and calmly written against the demands of resentment, idiotic hatred or chauvinism”.[18] The Trade Union of Journalists and Writers also praised it, and it was recommended reading by the SFIO.[19] It is notable for its criticism of the prisoner government. Rassinier claims that effective resistance was found only among the Russian prisoners, and that many brutalities in the camp were committed not by the S.S., but by the mainly Communist prisoners who took over the Häftlingsführung and ran the internal affairs of the camps for their own benefit. Rassinier blamed the high death rate at the two camps he saw on their corruption.

    His second book, The Lie of Ulysses: A Glance at the Literature of Concentration Camp Inmates (1950) caused controversy. Rassinier examined what he considered to be representative accounts of the camps. He criticized exaggerations and denounced authors, such as Eugen Kogon, who in L’Enfer Organisé (1947) claimed that the Buchenwald prisoner government’s main objective was “to keep a nucleus of prisoners against the S.S.” Rassinier asserts that this nucleus of prisoners were only looking out for themselves, and further claims that the Communists were trying to save their own skins after the war, saying that: “by taking by storm the bar of the witnesses and with extreme shouting, they avoided the dock”. He also describes his visits to Dachau and Mauthausen, noting that in both places, he got contradictory stories on how the gas chambers were supposed to have worked, and for the first time expresses his doubts on the existence of gas chambers and a Nazi policy of extermination. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rassinier

    Bradley Smith did not become interested in the subject until 1979 when he was influenced by Robert Faurisson, another Frenchman.
    There is in fact, very little connection between serious revisionists (Butz, Rudof, Graf, Grubach, Zundel, Mattogno etc.) – not even language, nationality or ethnicity.
    Since the advent of internet debate however, there is a growing number of people such as myself who have moved from acceptance to skepticism.
    Man’s capacity to collectively believe all kinds of nonsense is not exceptional, it is the norm – religion is just one example. The “Six Million” (which some serious scholars have already characterized as a “religion” could well be another.

    • Agree: John Wear, mark green
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Wally
    , @S
  259. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jon Halpenny

    During Tsarist rule, Jews were not allowed live in Moscow or St Petersburg.

    What was the rationale for this policy?

    • Replies: @Robjil
  260. Theodore says:
    @Corvinus

    The Holocaust happened.

    In your mind. But not in this universe. Hence why you dodge 10 simple questions in comment #81. You couldn’t handle the cognitive dissonance

    Indeed, you are wrong. Now, unless you are able to muster up the requisite evidence

    By ignoring the 10 on-topic & reasonable questions in comment #81 you prove that I am in fact correct, not wrong. Because if you actually answered them you would admit that I’m correct, so you refuse to answer.

    No, hundreds of religions are based on a person’s faith, or individual pursuit of a truth. Each religion is “true” to its adherents. People don’t believe in an “obviously wrong belief systems”, they believe a belief system that a group thought to be true. Obviously, a person from one faith will make the claim that another person’s faith is other than true. Why? Because they are of the mindset that they beliefs are superior. The fact of the matter is that religion is a personal experience. It is based on faith in a particular set of beliefs.

    I am 100% correct here. Faith doesn’t matter for actual truth

    If someone thinks the earth is flat because of “Faith” they are wrong. Period.

    If someone thinks the earth is 6,000 years old because of “Faith” they are wrong. Period.

    If someone thinks they are Superman and can fly because of “Faith” – if they jump out of a tall building they will fall to their death. Because they are wrong. Period

    The “Holocaust” as alleged is false. It’s a fictional event. It didn’t happen in this universe. Some people think it did, and they are wrong just like a person who thinks the earth is flat or 6,000 years old. All of them are wrong. There is no exception. “Faith” does not change reality.

    You have an extremely dangerous method of thinking, and it indicates mental derangement.
    What if someone had “Faith” that shooting random people would result in the bullets turning into water and merely getting them wet? Their “Faith” would result in a massacre, and their defense would be “Um no it didn’t happen because I have faith”. That’s your “logic” 🙂

    The two articles I posted clearly refuted your statement. You are apparently upset because you were exposed.

    False. Quote one claim from either article that proves anything I said wrong. You can’t!

    And here you move the goalposts yet again. Have you no dignity?

    No goalposts were moved. You’re making a fool of yourself. Keep it up 🙂
    Why do you INSIST on talking about ANYTHING except the actual topic in the article?
    Answer: You want to cling onto your faith in the impossible & fictional “Holocaust” conspiracy theory and can’t handle anyone proving conclusively that it is wrong (an easy task)

    Of course they are a group. The founder or leader was Bradley Smith. Why are you being purposely obtuse here?

    Incorrect. Smith founded CODOH which includes an open discussion forum that anyone can post in. Smith only started questioning the “Holocaust” in 1979. The first “Deniers” were former concentration camp prisoners and the vast majority of Nazis.
    Using your “Logic” you are also a “Holocaust denier” by posting on the website of Ron Unz, a “Holocaust denier” of Jewish descent.

    Pray tell, what makes YOU in the apparent minority as being other than hoodwinked? How are certain that you have not been duped yourself?

    I may be “hoodwinked” about some things. But I am certainly 100% factually correct when I say:
    – The earth is not flat
    – The moon is not made of cheese
    – The earth is older than 6,000 years
    – The official “Holocaust” story is a fictional event
    – Not ONE single Jew was ever gassed in a nazi concentration camp
    – The AR camps discussed in Wear’s articles (Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor) were NOT “extermination camps” where over 1 million Jews were gassed, burned in giant pyres, and buried in enormous “Huge mass graves”
    – You refuse to answer the 10 simple questions in comment #81 because you would then admit that I am 100% correct, and therefore you will never answer them

    All of those points are 100% fact. You can not prove even ONE of them wrong. If you could, you would, as seen by your pathetic and failed attempts to do so with regards to the last 2,000 years of human evolution.

    Anyone who denies any of those points I have listed is 100% wrong. Period. End of story. No exceptions EVER! 🙂

    Why do people continue to espouse demonstrably false claims even after being confronted with the incontrovertible facts that refute them? Because you can’t convince a true-believer of anything – for their beliefs are not based on science and reason – they’re based on blind faith and a weak-willed NEED to believe. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool critical thinkers – but rather; Only to give self-deceiving cowards an excuse not to think at all.

    • Agree: John Wear
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @utu
  261. Corvinus says:
    @Brewer

    “I can assure you that this sort of nonsense–Of course they are a group. The founder or leader was Bradley Smith. Why are you being purposely obtuse here?–exposes you to ridicule and undermines your case.”

    It makes no difference when Bradley Smith became interested in the subject, or if he followed after other individuals who talked about it. The fact is that he created A group, not THE group, for like minded individuals to express their opinions. I was not stating nor implying that he was the FIRST person to do so. Rather, it is fundamentally true that he was AN INDIVIDUAL who created A publication to promote his cause.

  262. Theodore says:
    @Incitatus

    Classic Incitatus. Do you actually do this for free?

    – You DID lie and dodge simple questions, it has been exposed previously and in this post. Now you’re in damage control 🙂

    – The other poster did not respond to me and I did not respond to him. Your excuse for this childish behavior is also childish: “well he did it too!” Grow up

    – Funny how you think the topic of this article is a “waste of time” but spamming/trolling/derailing is not

    – The only “Lesson” anyone here is learning is that you’re a floundering shill getting publicly spanked. Keep it up 🙂

    – Yes your source “Nicolas Stargardt” is incorrect if he said those things. Are you willing to admit that you used an unreliable source and quoted falsehoods? YES or NO? (refusal to answer will be interpreted as a “YES” + an apology for posting falsehoods)

    – Me & Wally have posted sources showing that your quoted text is wrong. The original German text for both Goebbels’ and Korherr’s statements are provided. Will you quietly admit defeat here, or dig yourself further into your hole of propaganda lies?

    – Nobody here claimed Jews didn’t die at AR camps or get shot by Einsatzgruppen. This has been explained to you many times. Are you senile or just pretending to be?

    – Funny how you fraudulently misconstrue the revisionist aim as being Hitler worship. You were corrected on this back at the last spanking (the Aktion T4 article). That is certainly some people’s aims – including people who believe the “Holocaust” – but not mine. Nothing I ever said would justify such an assumption. You pulled it out of your ass.

    – Accordingly you have shot yourself in the foot by exposing your entire purpose: to incriminate Hitler and the Third Reich at any and all costs. If truth gets in the way of your ideology-driven propaganda in this regard, you happily distort it. You have only proven yourself of being guilty of exactly that which you accuse all revisionists.

    – You use the word “Exonerate” but I never once argued that Hitler didn’t do some “bad things.” Are you implying that rounding up millions of Jews and forcing them onto trains to be resettled in forced labor camps or crowded ghettos is a totally acceptable behavior? You must think that is OK and completely justified behavior; otherwise your position is exposed as contradictory & fallacious

    – Post all the “Hitler was bad” quotes you want, it clearly tickles your fancy. It doesn’t bother me any more than other off-topic spam (which I actually encourage as it exposes your infantile tactics)

    – You should instead “Worry” about your serious but erroneous belief that Holocaust revisionism is some sort of justification for rounding up and murdering people. Because you’re only doing revisionism favors here… 😛

    – Your incoherent babbling, persistent derailments, refusal to admit to posting false quotes and claims, strawmanning, dodging of 10 simple questions in comment #81, and other childish antics exposes your position as incredibly weak and appealing only to the mentally deranged.

    Please keep posting. 🙂

  263. Theodore says:
    @Incitatus

    You never answered. Simple questions

    For anyone viewing:
    Here are the 10 simple, relevant (on-topic), completely reasonable questions that Incitatus has consistently dodged in this comments thread in a desperate attempt to discuss anything about the AR camps mentioned in Wear’s article:
    (From comment #81):

    Ten Simple Questions:
    1 – Which of the 15 alleged Treblinka II mass graves can you forensically* prove contain the remains of at least 150 human beings (OR 750 lbs / 340 kg of remains): __?__
    2 – Which of the 24 alleged Sobibor mass graves can you forensically* prove contain the remains of at least 150 human beings (OR 750 lbs / 340 kg of remains): __?__
    3 – Which of the 33 alleged Belzec mass graves can you forensically* prove contain the remains of at least 150 human beings (OR 750 lbs / 340 kg of remains): __?__
    4-6 – Same as 1-3 but instead 1,500 human beings (OR 7,500 lbs / 3,400 kg of remains): __?__
    7-9 – Same as 1-3 but instead 15,000 human beings (OR 75,000 lbs / 34,000 kg of remains): __?__
    10 – How many of the 72 alleged graves at T2+S+B can you forensically* prove contain at least one milligram of human remains: __?__

    * to forensically prove the existence of a mass grave which is claimed to exist in a precisely known location, you must produce conclusive, bona fide, verifiable, photographically documented archaeological findings.

    Since these simple & reasonable questions are relevant to the discussion topic, Incitatus will dodge them. Instead he will ask goofy, pointless, off topic questions about things nobody cares about but himself.

    BTW; I will actually answer your questions if you answer my 10 questions first. (Does he even want his questions answered?)

    Perhaps Incitatus should set up a blog called: “Why Hitler being mean over 7 decades ago still hurts my feelings every single day”

    I’m sure you’ll get more comments there than any article on Unz! 🙂

  264. Wally says:
    @Brewer

    BTW:

    CODOH founder Bradley Smith, RIP, was generally to the left, his first wife was a Jew.

  265. S says:
    @Brewer

    Man’s capacity to collectively believe all kinds of nonsense is not exceptional, it is the norm – religion is just one example. The “Six Million” (which some serious scholars have already characterized as a “religion”) could well be another.

    Very much so, and the United States certainly isn’t immune.

    And, of course, a person can make this observation without being a ‘Fascist!’TM, a ‘Nazi!’TM, or, a ‘hater!’TM. To think otherwise is a false dichotomy.

    At Andersonville the defeated South was accused of manufacturing leather wallets from the human skin of ‘murdered’ Union prisoners.

    A health measure designed to preserve the lives and well being of the prisoners, ie vaccination against disease, was turned upside down and made into an instrument of mass murder. They were declared to have been in reality ‘poisonous injections’.

    Many thousands of the men were said to have been ‘murdered’ by being deliberately starved to death.

    For decades after the Civil War these accusations were surrounded with much talk about ‘the camps’, ‘cattle cars’, and cries of ‘never forget’. [If a person doubts this search ‘Andersonville’ between 1864 – 1900 at the two ‘Making of America’ sites and read the original scanned in journal/magazine articles.]

    Nowadays, these accusations are generally (albeit not too loudly) acknowledged to have been untrue. [The false accusations say far more about the accuser, not particularly good things, than they do about those fraudulently accused.]

    They also, it seems, would like people to forget these accusations had ever been made.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  266. Wally says:
    @Saggy

    said:
    “while the revisionists on CODOH debate the merits of some aspect of historical record, the hoax rolls on, totally unconcerned.”

    Hardly “totally unconcerned”.

    They are so “unconcerned” that they did this *

    and this:

    Official list of Revisionist scholars persecuted / imprisoned for questioning the “Holocaust”: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12642

    *

  267. Wally says:
    @Corvinus

    said:
    “The two articles I posted clearly refuted your statement. You are apparently upset because you were exposed.”

    – LOL You are in complete denial of facts. A True Believer in the laughably impossible.

    – Those frauds in your “articles” have been exposed, debunked as shown in my comment # 230 …and the article under discussion, which you dodged, of course.

    – Why do some people want millions Jews to be dead? Revisionists bring them life affirming good news, 6M Jews were not murdered. Jews should be elated.

    Only lies require censorship.

  268. Corvinus says:
    @Theodore

    Pose the questions to the scientists who have the intimate knowledge of the grave sites. Such responses require technical expertise. Just because people here do not answer them does not mean the work of those scientists has been disproven.

    “If someone thinks the earth is 6,000 years old because of “Faith” they are wrong. Period.”

    Let’s focus on something more substantial here. What about if each religious views differently how the world was created?

    “The official “Holocaust” story is a fictional event”

    No, it’s quite a real event.

    “Not ONE single Jew was ever gassed in a nazi concentration camp.”

    That is simply not true.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/auschwitz-guards-account-of-gas-chamber-scene-differs-from-survivors/

    https://apnews.com/cb50d56a228648b092f0623dbd2baf9c

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/70-years-on-survivor-of-gas-chambers-faces-nazi-in-court-1873168.html

    Now, if you do not believe their accounts, then you are going to have to directly refute each person with specific counter evidence, whether it be documents or eyewitness testimony.

    Pray tell, what scientific evidence are you able to present that conclusively demonstrate that ALL or MOST people who “buy in” to the Holocaust “story” have been brainwashed?

    Pray tell, what makes YOU in the apparent minority as being other than hoodwinked? How are certain that you have not been duped yourself?

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Brewer
  269. kelso says:
    @utu

    More than half of the inmates in Auschwitz were not Jews, and, as we know, upwards of 70,000,000 died most of whom were not Jews but suffered from a War initiated by the World Jewish Congress against Germany in 1933. Evidence points to typhus and starvation as the cause of most of the work-camp deaths. The Germans addressed typhus with Zyklon-B which was effective — camp deaths declined after delivery of Zyklon-B, they didn’t increase as is often claimed. Starvation was often the result of camp Kapos who were mostly Jewish who prevented Red Cross food packages being delivered to non-Jews. The grisly photographs of piles of desiccated cadavers were more likely to be goyim who didn’t get their CARE packages.
    After France declared war on Germany, the possibility of shipping Communist Jews to Madagascar was out of the question, so there was no “final solution.” Read “The Real Eichmann Trial” by Paul Rassiner who was an inmate in several camps and never saw a gas chamber.
    The Katyn forest massacre was originally pinned on the Germans by Jewish hasbara but it wasn’t until after the Soviet Union fell apart that the world learned that 22,000 Polish officers were murdered by the Russians. Likewise, the fake “gas chamber” at Auschwitz was built by the Russians long after WWII as another false flag artifact.

    • Troll: utu
    • Replies: @Theodore
  270. Theodore says:

    Pose the questions to the scientists who have the intimate knowledge of the grave sites. Such responses require technical expertise. Just because people here do not answer them does not mean the work of those scientists has been disproven.

    I did they all refuse to answer.
    They also completely failed to support their ridiculous “Holocaust” story.

    They do not require any technical expertise to answer. You’re pathetically dodging.

    And yet you believe the “Holocaust” story despite claiming no “expertise”? Then you admit to being a fool. A reasonable person in your position would say “I don’t know if it’s true.” There is no other honest answer.

    Let’s focus on something more substantial here. What about if each religious views differently how the world was created?

    Than either 1 or 0 are correct.

    No, it’s quite a real event.

    You admitted that you’re not qualified to say that. Therefore you actually meant:
    It’s real in my mind whether it happened in reality or not

    Pray tell, what scientific evidence are you able to present that conclusively demonstrate that ALL or MOST people who “buy in” to the Holocaust “story” have been brainwashed?

    1. Lack of “huge mass graves” in allegedly PRECISELY KNOWN LOCATIONS. (See comment #81 and 10 questions)

    2. Utter impossibility on scientific/technical grounds of the alleged murder. “If it can’t happen as alleged, it didn’t”

    Therefore anyone who accepts this narrative as true believes something which is fiction is not actually fiction. Henceforth “hoodwinked”

    Pray tell, what makes YOU in the apparent minority as being other than hoodwinked? How are certain that you have not been duped yourself?

    How do you know that you aren’t hoodwinked into believing water is wet, and that it is actually dry?

    Nobody can prove me wrong***. If someone did I would:
    1. Admit it
    2. Donate $1000 to a “Holocaust” charity of your choice, or you

    *** to prove me wrong you must forensically prove that the burnt/unburnt remains of over 1 million jews/people exist at: Treblinka II + Sobibor + Belzec

    Note that it is claimed that they exist there to this very day … in precisely known locations as shown in comment #81

    That is simply not true.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/auschwitz-guards-account-of-gas-chamber-scene-differs-from-survivors/
    https://apnews.com/cb50d56a228648b092f0623dbd2baf9c
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/70-years-on-survivor-of-gas-chambers-faces-nazi-in-court-1873168.html
    Now, if you do not believe their accounts, then you are going to have to directly refute each person with specific counter evidence, whether it be documents or eyewitness testimony.

    I can do better. I will refute it on technical and scientific grounds.

    Remember:
    A majority of the 20,000 Jewish “Holocaust survivor” testimonies on record at Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial in Israel are “unreliable” according to archives director Shmuel Krakowski, a historian and survivor of Auschwitz and other concentration camps.
    Source: https://archive.is/SE0Fx

    Therefore your “evidence” is already statistically more likely to be “unreliable” than reliable. Just at the offset, this ain’t lookin’ very conclusive.

    Additionally, most Nazis denied the gas chambers or extermination so we can immediately conclude that the alleged “confessions” are likewise inconclusive: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12287

    And we can further acknowledge that many “confessions” are useless due to being extracted via torture and other forms of coercion: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12804

    Also, the conditions of these show trials is such that “Judicial notice” is invoked, meaning that “homicidal gas chambers” are assumed as fact without actual evidence provided. And the show trials are held in a country where “Holocaust denial” is a criminal offense. So we can’t use the trial verdicts as anything conclusive in this regard.

    Additionally you have not named one single jew, with proof, who was killed in a Nazi gas chamber. You have not even shown us which alleged building you are arguing to have been the homicidal gas chamber.

    But the real nail in the coffin, as I said, is that all “Homicidal gas chamber” claims in relation to the “Holocaust” conspiracy thoery can be confirmed as fraudulent on technical/scientific/forensic grounds alone, which takes precedent over “testimony” and “confessions” and documents.

    Here, read it and prove it wrong:

    [MORE]

  271. Brewer says:
    @Corvinus

    Pose the questions to the scientists who have the intimate knowledge of the grave sites

    Please list those “scientists” .

  272. Saggy says: • Website
    @S

    For decades after the Civil War these accusations were surrounded with much talk about ‘the camps’, ‘cattle cars’, and cries of ‘never forget’.

    They even had a hoax trial and executed the camp commandant …. Henry Wirz …. you can read about it here …. http://www.holohoax101.org/wirz/

  273. Robjil says:
    @Anonymous

    Here the reason why the Pale of Settlement was created. The POS was the Polish-Lithuanian Kingdom that the Russian Empire conquered in 1764. This Kingdom had a lot of Ashkenazis who had a lot of power over the peasants. The Russians did not want the same to happen in Russia itself. In did not work in the end, Russia got a huge Ashkenazi invasion after the Bolshevik Revolution. It was a flood. The US got the same after 1881. The US is dealing with an Ashkenazi coup now. A coup coup, ZUS couped Ukraine is being used to coup the ZUS mainland.

    https://www.972mag.com/the-new-pale-of-settlement/6255/

    Historical reality, of course, is completely different. Jews arrived in Russia, for instance, not as immigrants but because the Russian Empire conquered the territories in which they dwelled at the end of the 18th century. Until then, there were very few Jews in Russia and Jews were forbidden to emigrate to it for fear that they would harm its Christian character.

    That being the case, the annexed Jewish population, soon to be the largest Jewish congregation in the world, constituted a problem very familiar to us here in Israel today. The state coveted the territory upon which the Jews sat, and did not really covet the Jews themselves, but could not expel them.

    The solution that was found to the Jewish problem was called “The Pale of Settlement” – designated areas in which Jews were allowed to live and manage their local and intra-communal affairs on their own. The movements of Jews living outside the Pale were constrained, and most of them were forced to leave Russian areas and live “with their own kind”. Among the justifications for this policy were the need to make sure that Jews be loyal to the Russian-Orthodox state, and the desire to defend the Russian population from having its livelihood stolen by Jews.

  274. utu says:
    @Theodore

    But I am certainly 100% factually correct when I say:

    – The official “Holocaust” story is a fictional event
    – Not ONE single Jew was ever gassed in a nazi concentration camp
    – The AR camps discussed in Wear’s articles (Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor) were NOT “extermination camps” where over 1 million Jews were gassed, burned in giant pyres, and buried in enormous “Huge mass graves”

    Nobody can be 100% certain. If you indeed think you are 100% certain it is only because you want to be not because you are. You commit a grave epistemological judgment error because of your emotional inclinations and bias. By repeating the chant that you are 100% certain you just engage in an infantile wishful thinking.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  275. refl says:
    @Germanicus

    The letters “ti” as in concentration, nation etc. in German bear the same pronounciation as a ‘z”, while the “ns”
    certainly has not. All the while, in German there is a tendency to drag pronounciations along into neighbouring syllables. There is even a name for the phenomenon that I have forgotten. So the misspronounciation might occur but it is still poor speaking.
    The people who made the abreviation “KZ” common usage most certainly did so after the war, because it sounds rougher, but they did so with astonishing success.
    As for “Nazi”, it is simply the short form for “Ignatz” in Bavarian. A name typical down there, and it used to mean a rather dump but lovable village character. In the early, Bavarian days of the party, the term was endearing.

  276. Theodore says:
    @utu

    Simple questions for Utu:

    1 – Why did you exclude my claims that I am 100% certain that the earth is NOT flat, NOT 6,000 years old, and the moon is NOT made of cheese?

    2 – YES or NO – Can any reasonable person be 100% certain that the earth is NOT flat, NOT merely 6,000 years old and that the moon is NOT made of cheese?

    3 – YES or NO – Can you prove ANY of those 3 points incorrect in the text you quoted?

    4 – YES or NO – Would you call it “infantile” and/or “a grave epistemological judgment error” and/or “wishful thinking” for someone to say:
    “I am 100% certain that 2+2=4”

    5 – YES or NO – Did you read my 10 simple questions in post #81?

    Why do people continue to espouse demonstrably false claims even after being confronted with the incontrovertible facts that refute them? Because you can’t convince a true-believer of anything – for their beliefs are not based on science and reason – they’re based on blind faith and a weak-willed NEED to believe. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool critical thinkers – but rather; Only to give self-deceiving cowards an excuse not to think at all.

  277. roofus says:
    @Theodore

    only if you agree to debate me about Norse mythology first.

  278. utu says:

    You can interrogate your dog or your wife with your “YES or NO” questions. You have just described yourself with

    “they’re based on blind faith and a weak-willed NEED to believe. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool critical thinkers – but rather; Only to give self-deceiving cowards an excuse not to think at all.”

    I would not call you coward, yet as I do not know you well enough but a foolhardy loud mouth fool would fit.

  279. Theodore says:
    @kelso

    After France declared war on Germany, the possibility of shipping Communist Jews to Madagascar was out of the question, so there was no “final solution.”

    I suggest you check out post #81 and click the “[MORE]” link at the bottom, and read the information there explaining the evolution of the “Final Solution” policy and what it actually meant.

    The documentation on the [very real] “Final Solution” policy categorically refutes the “Holocaust” narrative. Because of this, those who promote said narrative insist certain words are “code words” for others:
    “Deportation” means “shove into gas chambers”
    “Resettle” means “shoot into huge pits”
    etc…

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