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As US-driven wars plummet the Muslim world ever deeper into jihadi-ridden failed state chaos, events seem to be careening toward a tipping point. Eventually, the region will become so profuse a font of terrorists and refugees, that Western popular resistance to “boots on the ground” will be overwhelmed by terror and rage. Then, the US-led empire will finally have the public mandate it needs to thoroughly and permanently colonize the Greater Middle East.

It is easy to see how the Military Industrial Complex and crony energy industry would profit from such an outcome. But what about America’s “best friend” in the region? How does Israel stand to benefit from being surrounded by such chaos?

Tel Aviv has long pursued a strategy of “divide and conquer”: both directly, and indirectly through the tremendous influence of the Israel lobby and neocons over US foreign policy.

A famous article from the early 1980s by Israeli diplomat and journalist Oded Yinon is most explicit in this regard. The “Yinon Plan” calls for the “dissolution” of “the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula.” Each country was to be made to “fall apart along sectarian and ethnic lines,” after which each resulting fragment would be “hostile” to its neighbors.” Yinon incredibly claimed that:

“This state of affairs will be the guarantee for peace and security in the area in the long run”

According to Yinon, this Balkanization should be realized by fomenting discord and war among the Arabs:

“Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon.”

Sowing discord among Arabs had already been part of Israeli policy years before Yinon’s paper.

To counter the secular-Arab nationalist Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), Israel supported an Islamist movement in the Occupied Territories, beginning in the late 70s (around the same time that the US began directly supporting the Islamic fundamentalist Mujahideen in Afghanistan). The Israel-sponsored Palestinian Islamist movement eventually resulted in the creation of Hamas, which Israel also supported and helped to rise.

Also in the late 70s, Israel began fomenting inter-Arab strife in Lebanon. Beginning in 1976, Israel militarily supported Maronite Christian Arabs, aggravating the Lebanese Civil War that had recently begun. In 1978, Israel invaded Lebanon, and recruited locals to create a proxy force called the “South Lebanon Army.”

Israel invaded Lebanon again in 1982, and tried to install a Christian Fascist organization called the Phalange in power. This was foiled when the new Phalangist ruler was assassinated. In reprisal, the Phalange perpetrated, with Israeli connivance, the Sabra and Shatila massacre, butchering hundreds (perhaps thousands) of Palestinian refugees and Lebanese Shiites. (See Murray Rothbard’s moving contemporary coverage of the atrocity.)

The civil war that Israel helped foster fractured Lebanon for a decade and a half. It was Lebanon’s chaotic fragmentation that Yinon cited as the “precedent” and model for the rest of the Arab world.

The US has also long pit Muslim nations, sects, and ethnic groups against each other. Throughout the 80s, in addition to sponsoring the Afghan jihad and civil war, the US armed Iraq (including with chemical weapons) in its invasion of and war against Iran. At the very same time, the US was also secretly selling arms to the Iranian side of that same conflict. It is worth noting that two officials involved in the Iran-Contra Affair were Israel-first neocons Elliot Abrams and Michael Ledeen. Abrams was convicted (though later pardoned) on criminal charges.

This theme can also be seen in “A Clean Break”: a strategy document written in 1996 for the Israeli government by a neocon “study group” led by future Bush administration officials and Iraq War architects. In that document, “divide and conquer” went under the euphemism of “a strategy based on balance of power.” This strategy involved allying with some Muslim powers (Turkey and Jordan) to roll back and eventually overthrow others. Particularly it called for regime change in Iraq in order to destabilize Syria. And destabilizing both Syria and Iran was chiefly for the sake of countering the “challenges” those countries posed to Israel’s interests in Lebanon.

The primary author of “A Clean Break,” David Wurmser, also wrote another strategy document in 1996, this one for American audiences, called “Coping with Crumbling States.” Wurmser argued that “tribalism, sectarianism, and gang/clan-like competition” were what truly defined Arab politics. He claimed that secular-Arab nationalist regimes like Iraq’s and Syria’s tried to defy that reality, but would ultimately fail and be torn apart by it. Wurmser therefore called for “expediting” and controlling that inevitable “chaotic collapse” through regime change in Iraq.

Especially thanks to the incredibly effective efforts of the neocon Project for a New American Century (PNAC), regime change in Iraq became official US policy in 1998. Iraq’s fate was sealed when 9/11 struck while the US Presidency was dominated by neocons (including many Clean Break signatories and PNAC members) and their close allies.

Beginning with the ensuing Iraq War, the Yinon/Wurmser “divide and conquer” strategy went into permanent overdrive.

Following the overthrow of secular-Arab nationalist ruler Saddam Hussein, the policies of the American invaders could hardly have been better designed to instigate a civil war between Iraqi Sunnis and Shias.

The “de-Baathification” of the Iraqi government sent countless secular Sunnis into unemployed desperation. This was compounded with total disenfranchisement when the US-orchestrated first election handed total power over to the Shias. And it was further compounded with persecution when the US-armed (and Iran-backed) Shiite militias began ethnically cleansing Baghdad and other cities of Sunnis.

The invasion also unleashed Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a terrorist who had previously been holed up hiding from Saddam’s security forces. The Sunni extremist’s shootings and suicide bombings of Shia and Shiite shrines, and the anti-Sunni reprisals they engendered, further divided Iraq along sectarian lines. Zarqawi’s gang became Al Qaeda in Iraq. After many of his extremist followers were thrust by the Americans into close prison quarters with ex-Baathists, many of the latter were recruited. The military expertise thus acquired was crucial for the group’s later rise to conquest as ISIS.

All this was the perfect recipe for civil war. And when that civil war did break out, the US armed forces made reconciliation impossible by completely taking the Shiite side.

Now in neighboring Syria, the US has been fueling a civil war for the past four years bysponsoring international Sunni jihadis fighting alongside ISIS and Syrian Al Qaeda in their war to overthrow the secular-Arab nationalist ruler Bashar al-Assad, and to “purify” the land of Shias, Druze, Christians, and other non-Salafist “apostates.” Key co-sponsors of this jihad include the Muslim regimes of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates. And key allies and defenders of Assad include such Muslim forces as Hezbollah, Iranian troops, and Iraqi militias. In some battles in Syria, Iraqi soldiers and Syrian rebels may each be shooting at the other with American weapons.

Many of the weapons and recruits that were poured into Syria by the US and its allies ended up going over to ISIS or Al Qaeda. So strengthened, ISIS then burst into Iraq (where it first emerged during the chaotic US occupation) and drove the Shiite Iraqi military out of the Sunni-populated northwest of the country.

Today’s “divide and conquer” seems to be the 80s “divide and conquer” in reverse. In the 80s, the US armed a Sunni-led Iraqi invasion of Iran. Now, by arming the Iran-led militias that dominate the new Iraqi military, the US has effectively armed a Shia-led Iranian invasion of Iraq. Moreover, in the 80s, the US covertly armed the Shiite Iranian resistance to the Iraqi invasion. Now the US is covertly arming (through its conduits in the Syrian insurgency) the Sunni Iraqi resistance to the Iranian invasion.

Jihadi-ridden civil wars have also been fomented in Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, and Libya, the latter following the American overthrow of yet another secular-Arab nationalist ruler.

In these catastrophes we see virtually everything Yinon and Wurmser called for. We see Yinon’s “inter-Arab confrontation,” the “dissolution” of Arab countries which are “fall[ing] apart along ethnic and sectarian lines” into warring fragments. And we see Wurmser’s “chaotic collapse” expedited by the smashing of secular-Arab nationalist regimes. It should also be noted that Wurmser gave short shrift to the threat of Islamic fundamentalism, especially as compared to that of Arab nationalism.

But, aside from Wurmser’s far-fetched fantasies of Israel-beholden Hashemite monarchies emerging from the chaos, how could being surrounded by such a hellscape possibly “secure” Israel? Sheldon Richman incisively posited that:

“Inter-Arab confrontation promoted by the United States and Israel … would suit expansionist Israelis who have no wish to deal justly with the Palestinians and the Occupied Territories. The more dangerous the Middle East appears, the more Israeli leaders can count on the United States not to push for a fair settlement with the Palestinians. The American people, moreover, are likely to be more lenient toward Israel’s brutality if chaos prevails in the neighboring states.”

Another line of strategic thinking was revealed by the New York Times in 2013:

“More quietly, Israelis have increasingly argued that the best outcome for Syria’s two-and-a-half-year-old civil war, at least for the moment, is no outcome.

For Jerusalem, the status quo, horrific as it may be from a humanitarian perspective, seems preferable to either a victory by Mr. Assad’s government and his Iranian backers or a strengthening of rebel groups, increasingly dominated by Sunni jihadis.

“’This is a playoff situation in which you need both teams to lose, but at least you don’t want one to win — we’ll settle for a tie,’ said Alon Pinkas, a former Israeli consul general in New York.

‘Let them both bleed, hemorrhage to death: that’s the strategic thinking here. As long as this lingers, there’s no real threat from Syria.’

As menacing as jihadi terrorists are to civilians, and as horrific as civil war is for those directly afflicted, the Israeli regime would rather be surrounded by both than to be neighbored by even a single stable Muslim or Arab state not subject to Washington’s and Tel Aviv’s will.

This is partly due to simple imperialism, made especially aggressive by Israel’s Zionist ideology. Israel wants lebensraum, which includes both additional territory for itself and coerced access to resources and markets in foreign territories in the region. Non-client Muslim and Arab states are simply standing in the way of that. Every state lusts for lebensraum. What makes Israel’s lust particularly dangerous is its blank-check backing by the American superpower.

But there is also the more particular issue of maintaining a particular bit of already-conquered lebensraum: the Israeli occupation of Palestine. No matter how weak (like Saddam) and meek (like Assad) Arab rulers are on the subject, the very notion of Arab nationalism is a standing threat to the Israelis as permanent occupiers and systematic dispossessors of Arabs. Israel hates Baathism for the same reason it hated the PLO before the latter was tamed. A nationally-conscious Arab world will never fully accept the Occupation.

Israel is prejudiced against regional stability, because a stable, coherent Arab state is more likely to have both the motivation and the wherewithal to resist Israeli designs on its country, and possibly even to stand up for the Palestinians.

One might wonder how jihadis and civil war are any better in these regards. It’s not like the natural resources under Assad’s barrel bombs or ISIS’s sneakers are any more readily available to Israel. And, setting aside Mossad-related theories about ISIS and Al Qaeda, it’s not like Islamist extremists are necessarily much more forgiving of the Occupation than Arab nationalists.

But the jihadis are preferred by Israel, not as permanent neighbors, but as catalysts for military escalation. By overthrowing moderates to the benefit of extremists, the Israeli-occupied US foreign policy is accelerating further war by polarizing the world. It is making the Israeli/Arab and Western/Muslim divides more severely black and white by eliminating the “gray zones” of co-existence. This is ISIS’s own strategy as well.

Israeli hawks prefer ISIS, Al Qaeda, and Hamas to Saddam, Assad, and Arafat, because the people of the West are less likely to be willing to co-exist with the former than the latter. Especially as terrorist attacks and refugee crises mount in the West, the rise and reign of the terrorists may finally overcome public opposition to troop commitment, and necessitate the Western invasion and permanent occupation of the Greater Middle East, followed, of course, by its perpetual exploitation by, among other Washington favorites, Israel and Israeli corporations.

The West may become a Global Israel, forever occupying, forever dispossessing, forever bombing, and forever insecure. And the Middle East may become a Global Palestine, forever occupied, forever dispossessed, forever bombed, and forever desperately violent. That is how war is realizing the Israelizing of the world.

(Republished from Antiwar.com by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Karl says:

    Dan Sanchez is now on a blacklist.

    He will not be allowed to take refuge in Israel when NorthAmerica becomes the western-most suburb of Harare, and Europe becomes the western-most suburb of Karachi

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    Do you know that the only Pakistani Jew happen to live in Karachi?

    Jerusalem-based ‘The Times of Israel’ reported on February 26, 2014, the existence of a Pakistani-born Jew. Marc Goldberg claims that his discovery’s real name is Faisal Benkhald. He was born in Karachi in 1987 to a Pakistani Muslim engineer and his Jewish wife. Faisal’s parents died when he was 13.

    Faisal wants to change his name to Fishel Benkhald. He argues that since his mother was Jewish, according to the Jewish law, he is automatically Jewish. Goldberg accuses Pakistani authorities for not accepting Faisal’s claim – considered an apostasy by those Jew-hating Pakistani Muslims.

    Interestingly, Goldberg claims that Faisal’s Jewish mother gave birth to four more children – none of whom is interested to adopt their mother’s religion.......

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/02/27/wow-israel-finds-a-jew-in-karachi/
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  2. Allow me to finish this article with a recent blog post:

    Sep 28, 2015 – Emptying Syria

    One reason Syrians are fleeing is because of massive American bombing. The Washington Post reported that we’ve dropped more bombs (22,478) on Syria this year than the past five years in Afghanistan. This is all part of a failed four-year Saudi/Israeli/American attempt to overthrow the government of Syria. The EU is upset by the 381,000 refugees that it has accepted so far this year, but there are four million Syrian refugees in neighboring nations. Are they heading to the EU now?

    Putin gained strong support around the world with a simple solution — support the Syrian government to crush ISIS and end the suffering. He notes that if Syria falls, their two million Christians may be killed by Muslim fanatics. There will be Libyan style chaos and genocide. Who benefits from this expensive, bloody, and senseless effort to empty Syria?

    The only nation that may benefit is Israel. As that nation becomes more Zionist and continues expanding into the West Bank, it may have bigger objectives. The current borders of Israel are only part of the “Promised Land” mentioned in the Bible. If Syria is emptied and left with bands of jihadist fighting amongst themselves, some are sure to fire across the border at Israel. That would justify an invasion of Syria in order to restore order and establish a security buffer.

    Then Jewish “settlements” may appear as the remaining locals are gradually herded into smaller and smaller zones. Since the world recognizes Israel’s right to exist and many agree that the “Promised Land” is God given, who would object? Israel continues to expand into the West Bank each month in direct violation of UN resolutions and over the objections of the USA and EU. Israel unilaterally annexed Syria’s Golan Heights in 1981 and “settled” it. Would anyone stop their annexation of most of Syria? This may seem like a wild conspiracy theory, but continued growth to a “Greater Israel” has been advocated for a long time and explains the senseless destruction and depopulation of Syria.

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    One reason Syrians are fleeing is because of massive American bombing.
     
    Hahaha. The bullshit filter went off right at the fist sentence. Quite an accomplishment, I have to say. There with Germaine "women don't realize how much men hate them" Greer and Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto.
    , @Minnesota Mary
    Carlton, you nailed it!
    , @edNels
    Thanks for stating pretty self appearant trends, I mean, those ''snow bird'' (Khasars,) sure do have a keen eye for real estate in sun belt. Syia is a potential jewel. Check out the resort coastline, the abundant agricultural land, and key... Water.
    , @Seraphim
    To really finish the article one should remember that the Yinon Plan included as a necessary and imperative task, the recapture by Israel of the Sinai Peninsula. It is clear that nothing would end until this post is reached. And also the consolidation of the Jewish Ukrainian colony, the Kaganate of Nulands - as in the Nurussia - Novorussia (with Crimea as its center - the New Kagansns would prefer to live in the palaces of the former Tsars they vanquished). So, its not going to end any time soon.
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  3. Matus says:

    Great article. Bravo!

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  4. It is unfortunate that the people who yell loudest about genocide and holocaust seem to be satisfied with, and hope to benefit from, the dispossession, displacement and systematic genocide of the millions of Christians in Iraq and Syria along with other minority groups. Too bad American fundamentalist Christians, who worship Israel, are oblivious to this.

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    "In these catastrophes we see virtually everything Yinon and Wurmser called for. We see Yinon’s “inter-Arab confrontation,” the “dissolution” of Arab countries which are “fall[ing] apart along ethnic and sectarian lines” into warring fragments. And we see Wurmser’s “chaotic collapse” expedited by the smashing of secular-Arab nationalist regimes."

    There is no daylight between the Nazis' call for arian purity as justification for German leberstraum and the Zionists' genocidal geopolitical games aimed at Israel's lebensraum and Jewish dominance over Arabs.
    With regards to the US' very expensive involvement in the Middle East, Mr. Richard Bruce Cheney has emerged as the main gate-opener for the insatiable Zionist parasitoid (supported by MIC and Wall Street). Here we are, with the emptied treasury and demolished rule of law and with a reputation of a global bloody warmonger. At least Wurmster, Ledeen, Kagans, Kristols, Feith and other Israel-firsters have been doing their best at promoting their tribal interests. In comparison, the prostituting US Congress (that relies on financiers) is at service of plutocracy that happened to be very fond of Israel.
    Notwithstanding the great number of Jewish Noble Price laureates and the precious humanistic tradition of Judaism, the Middle Eastern Jewish state has emerged as a danger to humanity at large, due to the aggressive and inhuman philosophy that has been guiding Israel's policies. It became impossible to put "Israel" and "moral values" together. See the Holocaust biz (promoted by ADL and AIPAC) in the context of the leading Zionist warmongers that include supporters of Ukrainian neo-Nazis and collaborators with ISIS.
    , @Ike
    William, your comment of Christians 'worshiping Israel'' is very astute; worship implies according to Strong's Concordance : "From G4314 and probably a derivative of G2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand); to fawn or crouch to, that is, (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore): - worship."

    When Israel was cast as a nation but was not the real Israel but rather a 'reflection' of the beast which set it up on its own pedestal as a 'Image of the Beast'. So Kazar Israel is no more than an image to reflect the true nature of the beast from the 'bottomless pit' which it so well exemplifies in all its satanic character and being. Reflection implies..."the act of reflecting, as in casting back a light or heat, mirroring, or giving back or showing an image; the state of being reflected in this way."

    This Christians who honor or pay homage to Israel are in essence worshiping the beast's Image and indirectly the beast and some actually are part and parcel of the 'body of this beast' that Israel is a reflection of.
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  5. Just in case it’s not already obvious:

    Israel wants Assad gone. Bashar al-Assad’s government is the only force in Syria which will protect Christians.

    They don’t matter to Tel Aviv.

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  6. the only hope for the arab countries is a super charismatic leader to unit them all. but with the assassinating drones, any and all potentials leaders will be dead before they even sprout any hope.

    GG.

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  7. Aha, so this is all about the US wanting to colonize the Middle East. You wouldn’t have any evidence for this thesis, would you?

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    "Aha, so this is all about the US wanting to colonize the Middle East.?"

    This article is about Jews wanting to colonize the ME.

    The people of America want us to come home but the Jew will not let that happen.
    , @Vapid Budapesht
    You may be right about the subject of the article but I don't see how that negates what I wrote, especially when you read the below:

    'Then, the US-led empire will finally have the public mandate it needs to thoroughly and permanently colonize the Greater Middle East.

    It is easy to see how the Military Industrial Complex and crony energy industry would profit from such an outcome. But what about America’s “best friend” in the region? How does Israel stand to benefit from being surrounded by such chaos?'

    Which 'empire' is the writer referring to?
    , @Quercusalba
    Are you very stupid vapid?
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  8. In general, a very good article by Dan Sanchez; just a few minor pecadilloes:

    The invasion also unleashed Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a terrorist who had previously been holed up hiding from Saddam’s security forces.

    Actually, he was originally from neighboring Jordan, not Iraq. (Specifically, he was from the Jordanian town of Zarqa; hence the ‘al Zarqawi’ part of his nom de guerre.) There’s no evidence he was in Iraq before Saddam Hussein’s government fell in 2003.

    One might wonder how jihadis and civil war are any better in these regards. It’s not like the natural resources under Assad’s barrel bombs or ISIS’s sneakers are any more readily available to Israel.

    Au contraire! Israel is now the single largest consumer of oil smuggled out of ISIS-occupied Syria through Turkey: http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-israel-buys-most-oil-smuggled-from-isis-territory-report-1001084873

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  9. US is Americanizing the World.
    And those US-hypocrites keep pointing to Jew and/or Israel.
    No Dan Sanchez (Auburn, Alabama), the world is a US-made-mess.
    Yankee, GO HOME.

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  10. Sherman says:

    “Moreover, in the ’80s the U.S. covertly armed the Shiite Iranian resistance to the Iraqi invasion”.

    Huh?

    In the 1980s the U.S. was ferociously hostile to Iran.

    Given the recent Iranian hostage crisis this was quite understandable.

    The Reagan Administration and much of the American public viewed the Iraqi invasion as comeuppance for Iran. As a result, the U.S. supported Saddam, armed him and turned a blind eye when he used chemical weapons against Iran.

    To state that the U.S. supported Iran in the 1980s is false and absolute garbage – like most of this article is.

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    in the ’80s the U.S. covertly armed the Shiite Iranian resistance to the Iraqi invasion”.

     

    Huh?

    ...

    To state that the U.S. supported Iran in the 1980s is false and absolute garbage
     
    I'm surprised you've never heard of this general:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair
    , @SolontoCroesus
    yours is a thankless job, Sherm.
    Does Hasbara central outfit you in Fool's harlequin complete with bells on toes?


    Operation Seashell in Ronen Bergman's The Secret War with Iran

    4 main reasons why Israel violated the US sanctions and sold arms to Iran during Iraq's war against Iran:

    1. "Israel could not come to terms with the military, intelligence, and diplomatic losses that it had sustained with the disruption of relations with Iran after the revolution. Arms exports would at least give it a foothold in Tehran. In Israel's defense establishment, the lesson had been learned from many cases . . .that swiftly supplying weaponry and military know-how . . .will bring the supplier as close as possible to the rulers . . ."

    2. "It was hoped that the infusion of weaponry would intensify the Iran-Iraq war and lead to the mutual destruction or, at least weakening, of two enemies."

    3. "Israeli officials feared a victorious Saddam Hussein."

    4. "Finally, more than anything else, the weapons industry wanted to make money. . . . 'All that interested us was to sell, sell, sell more Israeli weapons, and let them kill each other with them.' "
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  11. Clyde says:

    There is a Jew behind every Jihadi. If not a Jew than an American controller, a shabbos goy such as Obama with his three Muslim names.
    Arab Muslims are totally incapable and dumb. This is why it is so easy for the ZOG Likudists to psychically control them via their patented Zio-Con™ mind rays. I pity the fools!!

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    Would-be-humorist:

    Can't you see? Your shtick doesn't work any more. It's the brainwashed Amerikanische goyim, whose original European culture has been totally dumbed-down, perverted, and polluted by the J***sh media (take a look at who owns Time Warner, Disney, etc., etc.), who are "totally incapable and dumb".

    But hark! A Trumpet sounds from On High!
    Is the Second Coming of Messiah nigh?
    The Star of Vegas seems to say
    A Russian light shall shine our way.
    The goyim stir! They're stirring now!
    Fear wrinkles the rabbi's brow!


    You are right about the "ZOG" (Zionist Occupation Government) and its "mind rays": The "mind rays" are the propaganda coming out of the media that keep the goyim sedated. Look almost anywhere; you can start with almost any film, NYT editorial, or New Yorker article. Especially choice are the lead stories on PBS in the "BBC America" "news" "coverage".

    How about reading Sanchez' link to the Israel Shahak speech of 3/3/2013 to the Association of Arab-American University Graduates:

    www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

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  12. Rurik says:

    A nationally-conscious Arab world will never fully accept the Occupation.

    exact same thing is being done in the West as the immigrants flood in

    when all Western nations are nothing but hodgepodges of competing ethnicities and cultures, no one will be able to object to the fact that they’re all dominated by the tribe

    by now it’s pretty obvious that what this article is talking about has indeed been going on not just in the Levant but Europe too. Why else would they want France to be inundated by Muslims unless it’s to be able to dominate and control her, as her streets are roiled by the orchestrated internal strife.

    Making everyone’s lives miserable and hopeless kills two birds with one stone. They get the satisfaction of seeing all the anti-Semites suffer + they’re able to loot them dry and steal the resources as they lord it over them from their perches at the banks and capital buildings. Such a deal!

    Arab, Persian, European, Scandinavian, Russian….

    ‘All will bow down to the financial power of Rothschild’s Fed’

    It isn’t just in the interests of the Muslim countries to rally against this Fiend, it’s also in the interests of the Western countries whose militaries and economies are being used as weapons to destroy not just Muslim countries, but their own countries simultaneously.

    Just look at England today and what they’ve done to her. From a great and illustrious power to a pathetic sniveling joke on the world’s stage in the span of a couple of generations. And all because of wars. War, and more wars. The mother’s milk to Rothschild and his Zionist fiends. Must have wars!

    What I’d like to see is for us all; Arab, Persian, Sunni, Shiite, European, Scandinavian, Russian, Ukrainian, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu and all the rest realize we have a common enemy, that that enemy is orchestrated wars. It’s the Fiend who arms and funds ISIS. It’s the Fiend who foments strife in Donbass. It’s the Fiend. John McCain and Lindsey Graham are the true enemies of us all. We all need to rally and defeat those minions of the Fiend. Hillary and Erdogan and all the other eager puppets and crooked scumbags. They are the common enemy who’s waging war on us all.

    It isn’t Shiites and Sunnis, it’s the Fiend who’s drilling for oil in the Golan who is behind it all.

    We need to stop aiming our AKs at each other and start aiming them at our corrupt leaders in the service of the Fiend. Why should a poor Turk be shooting at a poor Kurd when he could be shooting at Erdogan? Why should a Russian be shooting at another Russian or Ukrainian be shooting at another Ukrainian when they could all be shooting at John McCain or Victoria Nuland the next time they show up with another batch of weapons and boxes of cash.

    (I’m just musing academically, obviously I’m not actually advocating shooting anyone ; )

    But you get my point.

    The world has a common enemy. I call it the Fiend but basically it’s Zionism run amok and all the corrupt politicians willing to lick that fetid hand.

    Erdogan, Yatz, The House of Saud, Merkel, Obama, Hollande, and the controlled media. It’s Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. It’s Bill O’Rielly and Noam Chomsky and Rupert Murdoch. James Woolsey and John Hagee and Bibi. The pope in on the side of war by his deafening silence in condemnation of it.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/09/why-hasnt-the-pope-talked-to-obama-about-the-u-s-wars-that-caused-the-immigration-crisis-3218784.html

    It’s all of us peaceful citizens of the world (Ukrainians, Russians, Sunnis, Shiites, Palestinians, Christians, righteous Jews, the people of Europe and Syria…) against them- the war fiends. The closest thing we have to a leader is Putin in Russia, and now Le Pen in France, and Trump here in the states.

    God speed to us all!

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    • Replies: @Art
    "The closest thing we have to a leader is Putin in Russia, and now Le Pen in France, and Trump here in the states. "

    Many people are fearful of saying they are for Trump.

    We must help them find their hind legs.

    Prevail -- elect him.
    , @Ger
    My thoughts exactly, God bless you.
    , @Clyde
    You already know that you and me and Art and Anna Maire coochiecoo are anti-Zio to the hilt! I too am anti-war and and anti-war party all the way except when this means Iran nuking the Judaist Likudnik occupiers in Tel Aviv
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  13. Rurik says:
    @Sherman
    "Moreover, in the '80s the U.S. covertly armed the Shiite Iranian resistance to the Iraqi invasion".

    Huh?

    In the 1980s the U.S. was ferociously hostile to Iran.

    Given the recent Iranian hostage crisis this was quite understandable.

    The Reagan Administration and much of the American public viewed the Iraqi invasion as comeuppance for Iran. As a result, the U.S. supported Saddam, armed him and turned a blind eye when he used chemical weapons against Iran.

    To state that the U.S. supported Iran in the 1980s is false and absolute garbage - like most of this article is.

    in the ’80s the U.S. covertly armed the Shiite Iranian resistance to the Iraqi invasion”.

    Huh?

    To state that the U.S. supported Iran in the 1980s is false and absolute garbage

    I’m surprised you’ve never heard of this general:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

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    I hate to admit it but you have a point.

    However, the Iran-Contra debacle was essentially a way to send Iran some weapons. The U.S. hoped to this would facilitate the release of American hostages held by the pro-Iranian terrorists Hezbollah in Beirut. Reagan also hoped to build relations with "moderate" clerics in Iran.

    The U.S. was successful in getting a few hostages released. However, the attempt to curry favor with moderates in Iran flopped.

    The weapons smuggled to Iran as a result of Iran-Contra were inconsequential to Iran's war effort and the U.S. was still solidly pro-Iraq in the 1980s.
    , @alexander
    Speaking of Iranian Shiites,

    Has anyone noticed the latest post San Bernardino legislation sponsored by our" 19 trillion dollar national debt" lobby of choice, Aipac. to our" nine percent approval rating "Congress.?

    It want to blame" Iran", now , for sponsoring ISIS and, by proxy , the San Bernardino massacres, thereby paving the way to de-lever the Iran deal" and push us to a 4 trillion dollar war in two to three years time....


    Geez...if only fraud were a crime.. where would we be as a nation?
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  14. backup says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Allow me to finish this article with a recent blog post:

    Sep 28, 2015 - Emptying Syria

    One reason Syrians are fleeing is because of massive American bombing. The Washington Post reported that we've dropped more bombs (22,478) on Syria this year than the past five years in Afghanistan. This is all part of a failed four-year Saudi/Israeli/American attempt to overthrow the government of Syria. The EU is upset by the 381,000 refugees that it has accepted so far this year, but there are four million Syrian refugees in neighboring nations. Are they heading to the EU now?

    Putin gained strong support around the world with a simple solution -- support the Syrian government to crush ISIS and end the suffering. He notes that if Syria falls, their two million Christians may be killed by Muslim fanatics. There will be Libyan style chaos and genocide. Who benefits from this expensive, bloody, and senseless effort to empty Syria?

    The only nation that may benefit is Israel. As that nation becomes more Zionist and continues expanding into the West Bank, it may have bigger objectives. The current borders of Israel are only part of the "Promised Land" mentioned in the Bible. If Syria is emptied and left with bands of jihadist fighting amongst themselves, some are sure to fire across the border at Israel. That would justify an invasion of Syria in order to restore order and establish a security buffer.

    Then Jewish "settlements" may appear as the remaining locals are gradually herded into smaller and smaller zones. Since the world recognizes Israel's right to exist and many agree that the "Promised Land" is God given, who would object? Israel continues to expand into the West Bank each month in direct violation of UN resolutions and over the objections of the USA and EU. Israel unilaterally annexed Syria's Golan Heights in 1981 and "settled" it. Would anyone stop their annexation of most of Syria? This may seem like a wild conspiracy theory, but continued growth to a "Greater Israel" has been advocated for a long time and explains the senseless destruction and depopulation of Syria.

    One reason Syrians are fleeing is because of massive American bombing.

    Hahaha. The bullshit filter went off right at the fist sentence. Quite an accomplishment, I have to say. There with Germaine “women don’t realize how much men hate them” Greer and Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto.

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    He posted that 2 days before the Russian bombing campaign in Syria.....
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  15. Art says:
    @Vapid Budapesht
    Aha, so this is all about the US wanting to colonize the Middle East. You wouldn't have any evidence for this thesis, would you?

    “Aha, so this is all about the US wanting to colonize the Middle East.?”

    This article is about Jews wanting to colonize the ME.

    The people of America want us to come home but the Jew will not let that happen.

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    'The people of America want us to come home but the Jew will not let that happen.'

    'The Jew'? What are we, back in 1930's Germany or something? This is like talking about 'the black man', as though they are all the same'.
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  16. Will Señor Sanchez next address the Hispanozionist occupation of al-Andalus and the ethnic cleansing of its rightful owners, the Arabs? Because once Arabs occupy a territory once, it is theirs for all time, right? The present occupants of Iberia are just colonizers, right? That’s what the popular mainstream philosopher Osama said.

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    http://www.istockphoto.com/photo/court-of-the-myrtles-inside-alhambra-granada-spain-62787220?st=29272f9

    Alhambra (/ælˈhæmbrə/; Spanish: [aˈlambɾa]; Arabic: الْحَمْرَاء‎, [ʔælħæmˈɾˠɑːʔ], Al-Ḥamrā', lit. "the red one"),. . . is a palace and fortress complex located in Granada, Andalusia, Spain. It was originally constructed as a small fortress in 889 and then largely ignored until its ruins were renovated and rebuilt in the mid-13th century by the Moorish emir Mohammed ben Al-Ahmar of the Emirate of Granada, who built its current palace and walls. It was converted into a royal palace in 1333 by Yusuf I, Sultan of Granada.

    Alhambra's Islamic palaces, as we know them today, were built for the last Muslim emirs in Spain and the court of the Nasrid dynasty.

    After the conquest of Granada by the Reyes Católicos ("Catholic Monarchs") in 1492, some portions were used by Christian rulers. The Palace of Charles V, built by Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor in 1527, was inserted in the Alhambra within the Nasrid fortifications. After being allowed to fall into disrepair for centuries, the buildings being occupied by squatters, Alhambra was rediscovered in the 19th century by European scholars and travelers, with restorations commencing.

    It is now one of Spain's major tourist attractions, exhibiting the country's most significant and well known Islamic architecture, together with 16th-century and later Christian building and garden interventions. Alhambra is a UNESCO World Heritage Site and the inspiration for many songs and stories.

    Moorish poets described it as "a pearl set in emeralds," an allusion to the colour of its buildings and the woods around them.[3] The palace complex was designed with the mountainous site in mind and many forms of technology were considered. The park (Alameda de la Alhambra), which is overgrown with wildflowers and grass in the spring, was planted by the Moors with roses, oranges, and myrtles
     
    Jews call their sojourn in Al-Andalus the Jewish Golden Age.
    , @Seamus Padraig
    Poor analogy, Mr. Caesar. In the case of Spain, the Roman/Celtic/Germanic Christians were there first, while the Arabs invaded afterward. During 7 centuries of Moorish rule, hardly of the natives converted to Islam, so this was in every sense Christian territory occupied by a relatively small number of foreign Moslems. By the way even the very word 'Al Andalus' was an Arabic corruption of 'Vandals'. The Vandals ruled that region before the coming of the Moors.
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  17. alexander says:

    Congratulations on an “outstanding “article Mr Sanchez…….Truly first rate !

    and if you have not written for this site before…Welcome to the Unz Review .

    You will find the commenters here are” the full mix” of bright minds, thoughtful thinkers, belligerent brayer’s, and bellicose bemoaners , conservatives, liberals, warmongers and peaceniks,….racists, skin heads, Muslims and Brits,..there are truthers and liars, fraudsters and fools, Hasbarat trolls, and apologists too….its an ornery hodgepodge of argumentative souls.
    They are biting and nasty ….they are saucy and fun…they are chock full of digressions and thoughts way off base….but its worth it sometimes…. if it helps crack the case.

    Congratulations again….and welcome to this” space”.

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  18. Art says:
    @Rurik

    A nationally-conscious Arab world will never fully accept the Occupation.
     
    exact same thing is being done in the West as the immigrants flood in

    when all Western nations are nothing but hodgepodges of competing ethnicities and cultures, no one will be able to object to the fact that they're all dominated by the tribe

    by now it's pretty obvious that what this article is talking about has indeed been going on not just in the Levant but Europe too. Why else would they want France to be inundated by Muslims unless it's to be able to dominate and control her, as her streets are roiled by the orchestrated internal strife.

    Making everyone's lives miserable and hopeless kills two birds with one stone. They get the satisfaction of seeing all the anti-Semites suffer + they're able to loot them dry and steal the resources as they lord it over them from their perches at the banks and capital buildings. Such a deal!

    Arab, Persian, European, Scandinavian, Russian....

    'All will bow down to the financial power of Rothschild's Fed'

    It isn't just in the interests of the Muslim countries to rally against this Fiend, it's also in the interests of the Western countries whose militaries and economies are being used as weapons to destroy not just Muslim countries, but their own countries simultaneously.

    Just look at England today and what they've done to her. From a great and illustrious power to a pathetic sniveling joke on the world's stage in the span of a couple of generations. And all because of wars. War, and more wars. The mother's milk to Rothschild and his Zionist fiends. Must have wars!

    What I'd like to see is for us all; Arab, Persian, Sunni, Shiite, European, Scandinavian, Russian, Ukrainian, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu and all the rest realize we have a common enemy, that that enemy is orchestrated wars. It's the Fiend who arms and funds ISIS. It's the Fiend who foments strife in Donbass. It's the Fiend. John McCain and Lindsey Graham are the true enemies of us all. We all need to rally and defeat those minions of the Fiend. Hillary and Erdogan and all the other eager puppets and crooked scumbags. They are the common enemy who's waging war on us all.

    It isn't Shiites and Sunnis, it's the Fiend who's drilling for oil in the Golan who is behind it all.

    We need to stop aiming our AKs at each other and start aiming them at our corrupt leaders in the service of the Fiend. Why should a poor Turk be shooting at a poor Kurd when he could be shooting at Erdogan? Why should a Russian be shooting at another Russian or Ukrainian be shooting at another Ukrainian when they could all be shooting at John McCain or Victoria Nuland the next time they show up with another batch of weapons and boxes of cash.

    (I'm just musing academically, obviously I'm not actually advocating shooting anyone ; )

    But you get my point.

    The world has a common enemy. I call it the Fiend but basically it's Zionism run amok and all the corrupt politicians willing to lick that fetid hand.

    Erdogan, Yatz, The House of Saud, Merkel, Obama, Hollande, and the controlled media. It's Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. It's Bill O'Rielly and Noam Chomsky and Rupert Murdoch. James Woolsey and John Hagee and Bibi. The pope in on the side of war by his deafening silence in condemnation of it.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/09/why-hasnt-the-pope-talked-to-obama-about-the-u-s-wars-that-caused-the-immigration-crisis-3218784.html

    It's all of us peaceful citizens of the world (Ukrainians, Russians, Sunnis, Shiites, Palestinians, Christians, righteous Jews, the people of Europe and Syria...) against them- the war fiends. The closest thing we have to a leader is Putin in Russia, and now Le Pen in France, and Trump here in the states.

    God speed to us all!

    “The closest thing we have to a leader is Putin in Russia, and now Le Pen in France, and Trump here in the states. “

    Many people are fearful of saying they are for Trump.

    We must help them find their hind legs.

    Prevail — elect him.

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  19. @Sherman
    "Moreover, in the '80s the U.S. covertly armed the Shiite Iranian resistance to the Iraqi invasion".

    Huh?

    In the 1980s the U.S. was ferociously hostile to Iran.

    Given the recent Iranian hostage crisis this was quite understandable.

    The Reagan Administration and much of the American public viewed the Iraqi invasion as comeuppance for Iran. As a result, the U.S. supported Saddam, armed him and turned a blind eye when he used chemical weapons against Iran.

    To state that the U.S. supported Iran in the 1980s is false and absolute garbage - like most of this article is.

    yours is a thankless job, Sherm.
    Does Hasbara central outfit you in Fool’s harlequin complete with bells on toes?

    Operation Seashell in Ronen Bergman’s The Secret War with Iran

    4 main reasons why Israel violated the US sanctions and sold arms to Iran during Iraq’s war against Iran:

    1. “Israel could not come to terms with the military, intelligence, and diplomatic losses that it had sustained with the disruption of relations with Iran after the revolution. Arms exports would at least give it a foothold in Tehran. In Israel’s defense establishment, the lesson had been learned from many cases . . .that swiftly supplying weaponry and military know-how . . .will bring the supplier as close as possible to the rulers . . .”

    2. “It was hoped that the infusion of weaponry would intensify the Iran-Iraq war and lead to the mutual destruction or, at least weakening, of two enemies.”

    3. “Israeli officials feared a victorious Saddam Hussein.”

    4. “Finally, more than anything else, the weapons industry wanted to make money. . . . ‘All that interested us was to sell, sell, sell more Israeli weapons, and let them kill each other with them.’ “

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    You idiot.

    Sanchez is claiming the U.S. supported Iran in the 1980s.

    I am not arguing about Israel's support for Iran in the 1980s. Nobody disputes this.
    , @Seamus Padraig
    Henry Kissinger once succinctly described Washington's (Tel Aviv's?) strategy during the Iran-Iraq War in five words: "Two scorpions in a bottle."
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  20. Sherman says:
    @Rurik


    in the ’80s the U.S. covertly armed the Shiite Iranian resistance to the Iraqi invasion”.

     

    Huh?

    ...

    To state that the U.S. supported Iran in the 1980s is false and absolute garbage
     
    I'm surprised you've never heard of this general:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

    I hate to admit it but you have a point.

    However, the Iran-Contra debacle was essentially a way to send Iran some weapons. The U.S. hoped to this would facilitate the release of American hostages held by the pro-Iranian terrorists Hezbollah in Beirut. Reagan also hoped to build relations with “moderate” clerics in Iran.

    The U.S. was successful in getting a few hostages released. However, the attempt to curry favor with moderates in Iran flopped.

    The weapons smuggled to Iran as a result of Iran-Contra were inconsequential to Iran’s war effort and the U.S. was still solidly pro-Iraq in the 1980s.

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    Don't overlook Giandomenico Picco, who demonstrated what statesmanship looks like.

    He personally met with the hostage-holders -- he permitted himself to be blindfolded and taken to the parlay.



    http://www.giandomenicopicco.com/about.html
    , @Rurik

    the Iran-Contra debacle was essentially a way to send Iran some weapons
     
    no argument from me on that

    the U.S. was still solidly pro-Iraq in the 1980s.
     
    even while they were sending weapons to the Iranians

    but we all know that the US likes to arm both sides of a war in order to get the maximum number of people slaughtered

    good for Israel it'z
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  21. @Reg Cæsar
    Will Señor Sanchez next address the Hispanozionist occupation of al-Andalus and the ethnic cleansing of its rightful owners, the Arabs? Because once Arabs occupy a territory once, it is theirs for all time, right? The present occupants of Iberia are just colonizers, right? That's what the popular mainstream philosopher Osama said.

    http://www.istockphoto.com/photo/court-of-the-myrtles-inside-alhambra-granada-spain-62787220?st=29272f9

    [MORE]

    Alhambra (/ælˈhæmbrə/; Spanish: [aˈlambɾa]; Arabic: الْحَمْرَاء‎, [ʔælħæmˈɾˠɑːʔ], Al-Ḥamrā’, lit. “the red one”),. . . is a palace and fortress complex located in Granada, Andalusia, Spain. It was originally constructed as a small fortress in 889 and then largely ignored until its ruins were renovated and rebuilt in the mid-13th century by the Moorish emir Mohammed ben Al-Ahmar of the Emirate of Granada, who built its current palace and walls. It was converted into a royal palace in 1333 by Yusuf I, Sultan of Granada.

    Alhambra’s Islamic palaces, as we know them today, were built for the last Muslim emirs in Spain and the court of the Nasrid dynasty.

    After the conquest of Granada by the Reyes Católicos (“Catholic Monarchs”) in 1492, some portions were used by Christian rulers. The Palace of Charles V, built by Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor in 1527, was inserted in the Alhambra within the Nasrid fortifications. After being allowed to fall into disrepair for centuries, the buildings being occupied by squatters, Alhambra was rediscovered in the 19th century by European scholars and travelers, with restorations commencing.

    It is now one of Spain’s major tourist attractions, exhibiting the country’s most significant and well known Islamic architecture, together with 16th-century and later Christian building and garden interventions. Alhambra is a UNESCO World Heritage Site and the inspiration for many songs and stories.

    Moorish poets described it as “a pearl set in emeralds,” an allusion to the colour of its buildings and the woods around them.[3] The palace complex was designed with the mountainous site in mind and many forms of technology were considered. The park (Alameda de la Alhambra), which is overgrown with wildflowers and grass in the spring, was planted by the Moors with roses, oranges, and myrtles

    Jews call their sojourn in Al-Andalus the Jewish Golden Age.

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    >> Jews call their sojourn in Al-Andalus the Jewish Golden Age


    That's odd. Israeli textbooks say that the "Golden Age" of the Hebrews was when Solomon was so strong that the Phoenician King Hiram, felt it would be in his interests to send tribute for the construction of the first Temple.

    Brick-paved walkways from that time have been uncovered in Jerusalem. Come and visit them.
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  22. @Carlton Meyer
    Allow me to finish this article with a recent blog post:

    Sep 28, 2015 - Emptying Syria

    One reason Syrians are fleeing is because of massive American bombing. The Washington Post reported that we've dropped more bombs (22,478) on Syria this year than the past five years in Afghanistan. This is all part of a failed four-year Saudi/Israeli/American attempt to overthrow the government of Syria. The EU is upset by the 381,000 refugees that it has accepted so far this year, but there are four million Syrian refugees in neighboring nations. Are they heading to the EU now?

    Putin gained strong support around the world with a simple solution -- support the Syrian government to crush ISIS and end the suffering. He notes that if Syria falls, their two million Christians may be killed by Muslim fanatics. There will be Libyan style chaos and genocide. Who benefits from this expensive, bloody, and senseless effort to empty Syria?

    The only nation that may benefit is Israel. As that nation becomes more Zionist and continues expanding into the West Bank, it may have bigger objectives. The current borders of Israel are only part of the "Promised Land" mentioned in the Bible. If Syria is emptied and left with bands of jihadist fighting amongst themselves, some are sure to fire across the border at Israel. That would justify an invasion of Syria in order to restore order and establish a security buffer.

    Then Jewish "settlements" may appear as the remaining locals are gradually herded into smaller and smaller zones. Since the world recognizes Israel's right to exist and many agree that the "Promised Land" is God given, who would object? Israel continues to expand into the West Bank each month in direct violation of UN resolutions and over the objections of the USA and EU. Israel unilaterally annexed Syria's Golan Heights in 1981 and "settled" it. Would anyone stop their annexation of most of Syria? This may seem like a wild conspiracy theory, but continued growth to a "Greater Israel" has been advocated for a long time and explains the senseless destruction and depopulation of Syria.

    Carlton, you nailed it!

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  23. Sherman says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    yours is a thankless job, Sherm.
    Does Hasbara central outfit you in Fool's harlequin complete with bells on toes?


    Operation Seashell in Ronen Bergman's The Secret War with Iran

    4 main reasons why Israel violated the US sanctions and sold arms to Iran during Iraq's war against Iran:

    1. "Israel could not come to terms with the military, intelligence, and diplomatic losses that it had sustained with the disruption of relations with Iran after the revolution. Arms exports would at least give it a foothold in Tehran. In Israel's defense establishment, the lesson had been learned from many cases . . .that swiftly supplying weaponry and military know-how . . .will bring the supplier as close as possible to the rulers . . ."

    2. "It was hoped that the infusion of weaponry would intensify the Iran-Iraq war and lead to the mutual destruction or, at least weakening, of two enemies."

    3. "Israeli officials feared a victorious Saddam Hussein."

    4. "Finally, more than anything else, the weapons industry wanted to make money. . . . 'All that interested us was to sell, sell, sell more Israeli weapons, and let them kill each other with them.' "

    You idiot.

    Sanchez is claiming the U.S. supported Iran in the 1980s.

    I am not arguing about Israel’s support for Iran in the 1980s. Nobody disputes this.

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    Actually, SolontoCroesus' posts are interesting, cultured, and informed, whereas your posts are ... rather average in all respects, apart from being somewhat hysterical when you do not like facts.
    , @Clyde
    Right about that ol SolontoCroesus windbag . He has hours of free time to type his Likudnik drivel.
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  24. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    Worse than Iran-Contra

    But silence from MSM.

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  25. Eustace Tilley (not) [AKA "Schiller/Nietzsche"] says:
    @Clyde
    There is a Jew behind every Jihadi. If not a Jew than an American controller, a shabbos goy such as Obama with his three Muslim names.
    Arab Muslims are totally incapable and dumb. This is why it is so easy for the ZOG Likudists to psychically control them via their patented Zio-Con™ mind rays. I pity the fools!!

    Would-be-humorist:

    Can’t you see? Your shtick doesn’t work any more. It’s the brainwashed Amerikanische goyim, whose original European culture has been totally dumbed-down, perverted, and polluted by the J***sh media (take a look at who owns Time Warner, Disney, etc., etc.), who are “totally incapable and dumb”.

    But hark! A Trumpet sounds from On High!
    Is the Second Coming of Messiah nigh?
    The Star of Vegas seems to say
    A Russian light shall shine our way.
    The goyim stir! They’re stirring now!
    Fear wrinkles the rabbi’s brow!

    You are right about the “ZOG” (Zionist Occupation Government) and its “mind rays”: The “mind rays” are the propaganda coming out of the media that keep the goyim sedated. Look almost anywhere; you can start with almost any film, NYT editorial, or New Yorker article. Especially choice are the lead stories on PBS in the “BBC America” “news” “coverage”.

    How about reading Sanchez’ link to the Israel Shahak speech of 3/3/2013 to the Association of Arab-American University Graduates:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

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    You are very good and high IQ (you passed the audition) but 15 millions Jews cannot control the world. A good and prosperous New Year to you! Seriously!
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  26. alexander says:
    @Rurik


    in the ’80s the U.S. covertly armed the Shiite Iranian resistance to the Iraqi invasion”.

     

    Huh?

    ...

    To state that the U.S. supported Iran in the 1980s is false and absolute garbage
     
    I'm surprised you've never heard of this general:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

    Speaking of Iranian Shiites,

    Has anyone noticed the latest post San Bernardino legislation sponsored by our” 19 trillion dollar national debt” lobby of choice, Aipac. to our” nine percent approval rating “Congress.?

    It want to blame” Iran”, now , for sponsoring ISIS and, by proxy , the San Bernardino massacres, thereby paving the way to de-lever the Iran deal” and push us to a 4 trillion dollar war in two to three years time….

    Geez…if only fraud were a crime.. where would we be as a nation?

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  27. @Sherman
    I hate to admit it but you have a point.

    However, the Iran-Contra debacle was essentially a way to send Iran some weapons. The U.S. hoped to this would facilitate the release of American hostages held by the pro-Iranian terrorists Hezbollah in Beirut. Reagan also hoped to build relations with "moderate" clerics in Iran.

    The U.S. was successful in getting a few hostages released. However, the attempt to curry favor with moderates in Iran flopped.

    The weapons smuggled to Iran as a result of Iran-Contra were inconsequential to Iran's war effort and the U.S. was still solidly pro-Iraq in the 1980s.

    Don’t overlook Giandomenico Picco, who demonstrated what statesmanship looks like.

    He personally met with the hostage-holders — he permitted himself to be blindfolded and taken to the parlay.

    http://www.giandomenicopicco.com/about.html

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  28. Rurik says:
    @Sherman
    I hate to admit it but you have a point.

    However, the Iran-Contra debacle was essentially a way to send Iran some weapons. The U.S. hoped to this would facilitate the release of American hostages held by the pro-Iranian terrorists Hezbollah in Beirut. Reagan also hoped to build relations with "moderate" clerics in Iran.

    The U.S. was successful in getting a few hostages released. However, the attempt to curry favor with moderates in Iran flopped.

    The weapons smuggled to Iran as a result of Iran-Contra were inconsequential to Iran's war effort and the U.S. was still solidly pro-Iraq in the 1980s.

    the Iran-Contra debacle was essentially a way to send Iran some weapons

    no argument from me on that

    the U.S. was still solidly pro-Iraq in the 1980s.

    even while they were sending weapons to the Iranians

    but we all know that the US likes to arm both sides of a war in order to get the maximum number of people slaughtered

    good for Israel it’z

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  29. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Until Israel was (illegally) spawned into existence, most Americans had no idea of what countries were in the ME, since the USA got along fine with nearly everyone there.

    Israel appears and all of a sudden, Americans are told about the ME problem states we face and that we must do something.

    Fast forward to 1989, the USSR collapses and suddenly, the nation gets giddy, talking about a ‘peace dividend,’ money that can now be spent on infrastructure, education, health, etc instead of the Pentagon.
    Not so fast, Bubba. Now we have the new Hitler, Saddam that must be contained and even rolled back, goodbye peace dividend, hello endless wars for Wall Street and Israel.

    ‘Mission Accomplished” on Saddam, who the USA had bankrolled into power and supported until we needed a Muslim boogiemanas an excuse to start inserting troops into the ME. Troops that would fight and die for the Zionist dream of an Eretz Israel, stretching from the Rivers Nile to the Euphrates and from southern Turkey to northern Saudi Arabia.

    Let’s not forget ‘Hitler 2.0,’ Libya’s Gaddafi, whom we killed in the process of destroying the most prosperous and peaceful African nation that is now a hell on Earth, which is why so many are escaping.

    All of this is for Israel, which has the USA in her back pocket, from owning the Congress to the WH and from having her front men–and women–controlling our finances in the Treasury Dept and the FED.

    What a wonderful world we’ll gift our children, perpetual slavery and a debt burden mostly acquired from fighting endless ‘Wars for Wall Street and Israel.’

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    When you penetrate nearly 100 years of brainwashing and recognize that Hitler was just as much a creature and asset of the Anglo-Dutch-zionists as were Saddam and Qaddafi, the pieces of the puzzle start to make sense.

    The formula is almost simplistic: the heroes are the evil masters; the demonized are the victims/targets; the alleged victims are the beneficiaries.

    Saint FDR was a monster. His first major acts (by June 1933) were to "torpedo" the London Economic Conference, destroying the ability of the British, French and Germans to stabilize their floundering economies; and to recognize Stalin's Bolshevik regime -- while Bolsheviks were still murdering their own people by the millions. FDR's goal was the destruction of Germany, the threat to British hegemony, and the subornation of the British empire in favor of United States empire/hegemony.

    Jews had been instrumental in the wars in Russia and Europe since the rise of the Rothschilds.

    Rick Atkinson calls the two world wars the "greatest catastrophe in all of history," and observes that they were built on a foundation of "hate."

    The skirmishes that set off those wars could have been of limited destructive force and loss but for the involvement of the British, Jews and the United States, none of whom was directly involved in the original conflicts, but all of whom intervened opportunistically if not, indeed, by provocative design, and all of whom were beneficiaries of the wars.
    , @alexander
    When will it all end?
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  30. Wally says: • Website

    Israelizing of the US & the world was the main purpose of the blatantly staged 9/11 fiasco.

    The US / Israeli government’s laughable & impossible 9/11 conspiracy theory is what drives the US foreign policy that has been spelled out.

    - The US / Israeli government cannot change laws of physics.

    - It’s an established scientific fact that military grade nano-thermite was used in the 9/11 attack.

    - ’9/11′ has been an immensely profitable scam for various players in the US and Israel.

    - ’9/11′ provides excuses for our disastrous & mass murdering foreign policy.

    - ’9/11′ provides excuses for the theft of our constitutional rights.

    - ’9/11′ provides excuses for the enormous increase of government power.

    Follow the money.
    Who benefits?

    http://www.ae911truth.org

    What Science Says About the Destruction of World Trade Center Buildings 1, 2, and 7

    http://www.beyondmisinformation.org/#beyond-misinformation

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    Right you are Wally, this is the hanging thread that can and should unravel the whole fetid web of deceit and treachery.
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  31. @Greg Bacon
    Until Israel was (illegally) spawned into existence, most Americans had no idea of what countries were in the ME, since the USA got along fine with nearly everyone there.

    Israel appears and all of a sudden, Americans are told about the ME problem states we face and that we must do something.

    Fast forward to 1989, the USSR collapses and suddenly, the nation gets giddy, talking about a 'peace dividend,' money that can now be spent on infrastructure, education, health, etc instead of the Pentagon.
    Not so fast, Bubba. Now we have the new Hitler, Saddam that must be contained and even rolled back, goodbye peace dividend, hello endless wars for Wall Street and Israel.

    'Mission Accomplished" on Saddam, who the USA had bankrolled into power and supported until we needed a Muslim boogiemanas an excuse to start inserting troops into the ME. Troops that would fight and die for the Zionist dream of an Eretz Israel, stretching from the Rivers Nile to the Euphrates and from southern Turkey to northern Saudi Arabia.

    Let's not forget 'Hitler 2.0,' Libya's Gaddafi, whom we killed in the process of destroying the most prosperous and peaceful African nation that is now a hell on Earth, which is why so many are escaping.

    All of this is for Israel, which has the USA in her back pocket, from owning the Congress to the WH and from having her front men--and women--controlling our finances in the Treasury Dept and the FED.

    What a wonderful world we'll gift our children, perpetual slavery and a debt burden mostly acquired from fighting endless 'Wars for Wall Street and Israel.'

    When you penetrate nearly 100 years of brainwashing and recognize that Hitler was just as much a creature and asset of the Anglo-Dutch-zionists as were Saddam and Qaddafi, the pieces of the puzzle start to make sense.

    The formula is almost simplistic: the heroes are the evil masters; the demonized are the victims/targets; the alleged victims are the beneficiaries.

    Saint FDR was a monster. His first major acts (by June 1933) were to “torpedo” the London Economic Conference, destroying the ability of the British, French and Germans to stabilize their floundering economies; and to recognize Stalin’s Bolshevik regime — while Bolsheviks were still murdering their own people by the millions. FDR’s goal was the destruction of Germany, the threat to British hegemony, and the subornation of the British empire in favor of United States empire/hegemony.

    Jews had been instrumental in the wars in Russia and Europe since the rise of the Rothschilds.

    Rick Atkinson calls the two world wars the “greatest catastrophe in all of history,” and observes that they were built on a foundation of “hate.”

    The skirmishes that set off those wars could have been of limited destructive force and loss but for the involvement of the British, Jews and the United States, none of whom was directly involved in the original conflicts, but all of whom intervened opportunistically if not, indeed, by provocative design, and all of whom were beneficiaries of the wars.

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    Solon, "... recognize that Hitler was just as much a creature and asset of the Anglo-Dutch-zionists as were Saddam and Qaddafi, the pieces of the puzzle start to make sense."

    one quarter truth at best. Hitler was trying to get jews out of Germany and for a while they had a pact with zionists to do just that. A medallion was struck with a swastika and a star of david, one on each side to commemorate this agreement which did resettle a large number of jews in Palestine. It is possible that Hitler did not care about Palestinians as he did not care much for the untermenschen in general. To claim that H. was a tool of the zionists is absurd, he had other things on his mind and getting the jews out of Germany was very important. Just where they went he probably could not care less about.

    Hitler's was a short term solution and despite the nonsense about Hitler wanting to conquer the world, H. was pretty much a narrow German nationalist and had no Global Plan to share out the world with the jews. We also know H. did not have a high opinion of various other Whites, like slavs for starters.

    Joe Webb
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  32. annamaria says:
    @William H McCarty
    It is unfortunate that the people who yell loudest about genocide and holocaust seem to be satisfied with, and hope to benefit from, the dispossession, displacement and systematic genocide of the millions of Christians in Iraq and Syria along with other minority groups. Too bad American fundamentalist Christians, who worship Israel, are oblivious to this.

    “In these catastrophes we see virtually everything Yinon and Wurmser called for. We see Yinon’s “inter-Arab confrontation,” the “dissolution” of Arab countries which are “fall[ing] apart along ethnic and sectarian lines” into warring fragments. And we see Wurmser’s “chaotic collapse” expedited by the smashing of secular-Arab nationalist regimes.”

    There is no daylight between the Nazis’ call for arian purity as justification for German leberstraum and the Zionists’ genocidal geopolitical games aimed at Israel’s lebensraum and Jewish dominance over Arabs.
    With regards to the US’ very expensive involvement in the Middle East, Mr. Richard Bruce Cheney has emerged as the main gate-opener for the insatiable Zionist parasitoid (supported by MIC and Wall Street). Here we are, with the emptied treasury and demolished rule of law and with a reputation of a global bloody warmonger. At least Wurmster, Ledeen, Kagans, Kristols, Feith and other Israel-firsters have been doing their best at promoting their tribal interests. In comparison, the prostituting US Congress (that relies on financiers) is at service of plutocracy that happened to be very fond of Israel.
    Notwithstanding the great number of Jewish Noble Price laureates and the precious humanistic tradition of Judaism, the Middle Eastern Jewish state has emerged as a danger to humanity at large, due to the aggressive and inhuman philosophy that has been guiding Israel’s policies. It became impossible to put “Israel” and “moral values” together. See the Holocaust biz (promoted by ADL and AIPAC) in the context of the leading Zionist warmongers that include supporters of Ukrainian neo-Nazis and collaborators with ISIS.

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  33. annamaria says:
    @Sherman
    You idiot.

    Sanchez is claiming the U.S. supported Iran in the 1980s.

    I am not arguing about Israel's support for Iran in the 1980s. Nobody disputes this.

    Actually, SolontoCroesus’ posts are interesting, cultured, and informed, whereas your posts are … rather average in all respects, apart from being somewhat hysterical when you do not like facts.

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  34. alexander says:
    @Greg Bacon
    Until Israel was (illegally) spawned into existence, most Americans had no idea of what countries were in the ME, since the USA got along fine with nearly everyone there.

    Israel appears and all of a sudden, Americans are told about the ME problem states we face and that we must do something.

    Fast forward to 1989, the USSR collapses and suddenly, the nation gets giddy, talking about a 'peace dividend,' money that can now be spent on infrastructure, education, health, etc instead of the Pentagon.
    Not so fast, Bubba. Now we have the new Hitler, Saddam that must be contained and even rolled back, goodbye peace dividend, hello endless wars for Wall Street and Israel.

    'Mission Accomplished" on Saddam, who the USA had bankrolled into power and supported until we needed a Muslim boogiemanas an excuse to start inserting troops into the ME. Troops that would fight and die for the Zionist dream of an Eretz Israel, stretching from the Rivers Nile to the Euphrates and from southern Turkey to northern Saudi Arabia.

    Let's not forget 'Hitler 2.0,' Libya's Gaddafi, whom we killed in the process of destroying the most prosperous and peaceful African nation that is now a hell on Earth, which is why so many are escaping.

    All of this is for Israel, which has the USA in her back pocket, from owning the Congress to the WH and from having her front men--and women--controlling our finances in the Treasury Dept and the FED.

    What a wonderful world we'll gift our children, perpetual slavery and a debt burden mostly acquired from fighting endless 'Wars for Wall Street and Israel.'

    When will it all end?

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  35. Rurik says:

    .

    ~off topic alert~

    I just want to take a moment to wish you all a very Merry Christmas and a very happy New Year!

    Since I’ve come to this site I’ve ‘met’ some really wonderful people

    God bless : )

    ~

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    I just want to take a moment to wish you all a very Merry Christmas and a very happy New Year!
     
    Same to you. Your posts are 70% zio-obessive idiocy but I can tell you have a cultured IQ beyond this. Anna Marine called you cultured. To me its still up in the air.
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  36. Max Payne says:
    @backup

    One reason Syrians are fleeing is because of massive American bombing.
     
    Hahaha. The bullshit filter went off right at the fist sentence. Quite an accomplishment, I have to say. There with Germaine "women don't realize how much men hate them" Greer and Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto.

    He posted that 2 days before the Russian bombing campaign in Syria…..

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  37. alexander says:

    Dear Mr Sanchez,

    …When you look, clear eyed , at the humongous boat load of debt foisted on our nation, the amount of pain, death and suffering foisted on people that never attacked us, the massive uncontested fraud foisted upon Americans and the world, the sheer level of absolute impunity, no matter how obscene and vile the act, one has to wonder will there ever be an end to it?
    Will this state of “perpetual terror fraud” ever end? Will it keep metastasizing until the whole world is swallowed in its destruction ?
    I have no idea, do you?

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    So the terror threat is just something cooked up by the state department and there is nothing and no one out there that is in the least threatening to the western world? I am inclined to think that writers such as Norman Podhoretz and Mark Steyn are right when they claim we are involved in World War III but a section of our own populace refuses to recognise it. All they see is hawkish American politicians. Strange.
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  38. A highly informative and hard-hitting article, Mr. Sanchez. Thank you.

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  39. @Vapid Budapesht
    Aha, so this is all about the US wanting to colonize the Middle East. You wouldn't have any evidence for this thesis, would you?

    You may be right about the subject of the article but I don’t see how that negates what I wrote, especially when you read the below:

    ‘Then, the US-led empire will finally have the public mandate it needs to thoroughly and permanently colonize the Greater Middle East.

    It is easy to see how the Military Industrial Complex and crony energy industry would profit from such an outcome. But what about America’s “best friend” in the region? How does Israel stand to benefit from being surrounded by such chaos?’

    Which ‘empire’ is the writer referring to?

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    "Which ‘empire’ is the writer referring to?"

    Gee Vapid,

    The whole article is about the Jew empire. Where are you coming from? Is your confusion intentional?

    Everyone knows that the US empire is directed by neocon Jews in conspiracy with Israel.

    You must be feigning stupidity.

    Art
    , @joe webb
    what is worth "colonizing" in the ME.? Please be specific, and who are going to be the people on the ground?


    There is nothing in the ME except oil and that is more easily purchased world wide. The 3 or so trillion we have spent on the Jewish Wars does not add up for just oil or anything else you might suggest.

    "Colonize" and the lefties salivate, ding ding.
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  40. @alexander
    Dear Mr Sanchez,

    ...When you look, clear eyed , at the humongous boat load of debt foisted on our nation, the amount of pain, death and suffering foisted on people that never attacked us, the massive uncontested fraud foisted upon Americans and the world, the sheer level of absolute impunity, no matter how obscene and vile the act, one has to wonder will there ever be an end to it?
    Will this state of "perpetual terror fraud" ever end? Will it keep metastasizing until the whole world is swallowed in its destruction ?
    I have no idea, do you?

    So the terror threat is just something cooked up by the state department and there is nothing and no one out there that is in the least threatening to the western world? I am inclined to think that writers such as Norman Podhoretz and Mark Steyn are right when they claim we are involved in World War III but a section of our own populace refuses to recognise it. All they see is hawkish American politicians. Strange.

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    Hi Vapid,

    I appreciate your self deprecating choice of a first name, but unless your parents chose it for you, perhaps you should consider changing it?

    It would be very interesting to pull back the curtain on all the alleged "terror events" that have occurred, at least since 9-11, ...and actually "see" what percentage were" staged" by our terror profiteers and their Neocon advisers...wouldn't it ?


    That is why I am a fan of leaving Guantanamo" open".......because if my suspicions, as well as others, are correct....there are many who may well deserve to be deposited there.

    Given the tenor and trajectory of world events.....perhaps that sort of "depositing" should happen sooner then later?
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  41. @Art
    "Aha, so this is all about the US wanting to colonize the Middle East.?"

    This article is about Jews wanting to colonize the ME.

    The people of America want us to come home but the Jew will not let that happen.

    ‘The people of America want us to come home but the Jew will not let that happen.’

    ‘The Jew’? What are we, back in 1930′s Germany or something? This is like talking about ‘the black man’, as though they are all the same’.

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    "‘The Jew’? What are we, back in 1930′s Germany or something? This is like talking about ‘the black man’, as though they are all the same’."

    No question – “the Japanese” attacked Pearl Harbor. - there is also no question but that “the Jew” have attacked America and taken over its government.

    Every Jew – of course not – but never the less the Jew have done it – they have turned America away from Christianity to evil Jew tribalism – end of story.
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  42. edNels says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Allow me to finish this article with a recent blog post:

    Sep 28, 2015 - Emptying Syria

    One reason Syrians are fleeing is because of massive American bombing. The Washington Post reported that we've dropped more bombs (22,478) on Syria this year than the past five years in Afghanistan. This is all part of a failed four-year Saudi/Israeli/American attempt to overthrow the government of Syria. The EU is upset by the 381,000 refugees that it has accepted so far this year, but there are four million Syrian refugees in neighboring nations. Are they heading to the EU now?

    Putin gained strong support around the world with a simple solution -- support the Syrian government to crush ISIS and end the suffering. He notes that if Syria falls, their two million Christians may be killed by Muslim fanatics. There will be Libyan style chaos and genocide. Who benefits from this expensive, bloody, and senseless effort to empty Syria?

    The only nation that may benefit is Israel. As that nation becomes more Zionist and continues expanding into the West Bank, it may have bigger objectives. The current borders of Israel are only part of the "Promised Land" mentioned in the Bible. If Syria is emptied and left with bands of jihadist fighting amongst themselves, some are sure to fire across the border at Israel. That would justify an invasion of Syria in order to restore order and establish a security buffer.

    Then Jewish "settlements" may appear as the remaining locals are gradually herded into smaller and smaller zones. Since the world recognizes Israel's right to exist and many agree that the "Promised Land" is God given, who would object? Israel continues to expand into the West Bank each month in direct violation of UN resolutions and over the objections of the USA and EU. Israel unilaterally annexed Syria's Golan Heights in 1981 and "settled" it. Would anyone stop their annexation of most of Syria? This may seem like a wild conspiracy theory, but continued growth to a "Greater Israel" has been advocated for a long time and explains the senseless destruction and depopulation of Syria.

    Thanks for stating pretty self appearant trends, I mean, those ”snow bird” (Khasars,) sure do have a keen eye for real estate in sun belt. Syia is a potential jewel. Check out the resort coastline, the abundant agricultural land, and key… Water.

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  43. Mr. Sanchez and now also a lot of posters here just endless complain that, although the US is doing a lot of bad things all over the world, they do this to please or on order of jews (or/and Israel) and that’s why in the first place jews are to blame.
    Obscure reasoning.
    Yankee, go home.

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    It's wearing very thin and sounds awfully tinny but the song remains the same. Are you not just shooting the messengers? Those names that keep cropping up with regards to US foreign policy blunders (regarding US interests) and war crimes, what are they again? Kristol, Pearle, Abrams, Feith, Wurmser, Wolfowitz, Nuland, Kagan, the list goes on and on.

    Surely these and others of their ilk are the individuals creating ill will towards our Jewish brethren or am I mistaken and it's actually just the obscure reasoning of people commenting here? It seems to me there are quite a lot of well reasoned points being made across this site but perhaps that's just my own obscure reasoning at work.

    More and more decent and reasonable people see what is happening to America and the ME and are voicing their disapproval. Is that not a demonstration of morality?

    It seems to me that Jews in general have it pretty good in the US, many after been taken in as refugees. What will be the outcome for most of them in time after all this meddling by this evil, determined cabal? Will the tables turn and then become pretty ugly? Isn't that a repeat of the way things went in Germany?

    I'd hate to see it happen but given that the model exists and can be seem to be being repeated, defending the indefensible makes me think that people like yourself pose the bigger threat to Jews not those discussing here what is becoming ever more self evident to ever more people who actually care about America and world peace.
    , @krollchem
    Zionism was dominant in America even in 1967 when Israel attacked the US Liberty killing 34 US sailors and wounding another 171. You should remember that President Johnson forbid the US Navy from counter-attacking the Israeli navy and air force to protect these US soldiers. Yes the Captain eventually received the Medal of Honor from the US Congress but President Johnson refused to personally convey this award so as not to offend the Israelis.

    The survivors who I have spoken to have been abandoned by the Zionist US political leadership. They were even threatened if they spoke of the incident. As a US veteran I cannot forgive this continuing conspiracy. I also do not understand why America has given hundreds of billions to Israel as well as providing then with weapons grade uranium.

    The American political class has been bought and paid for by radical Zionist Jews, Salafist Muslims, and Neo-Nazis in Ukraine and Central and South America. I must admit that such profane relationships provide rich rewards to the US leaders and further their globalistic ideology. Ultimately, Americans will either rebel or become serfs to the "Masters of the Universe".

    I suggest you read more of Mr Sanchez before you discard his writings, you may yet learn something.
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  44. Mark Green says: • Website

    Very useful article. Unfortunately, the Balkanization of Europe and the US is also underway. And the usual suspects are playing a vital role in that process as well.

    Despite all the the pro-Zionist wars, Israel will accept no non-Jewish refugees. At the same time, the Jewish state is busy implementing its ethnic-cleansing campaign via Jews Only settlement-building throughout ‘Greater Israel’. Judenstadt must expand. American wealth, power and prestige will be needed to achieve this end. Decades of war lie ahead.

    Back here, Jews in government and mainstream media denounce and vilify ‘racism’ (if it’s pro-White or anti-Jewish) and work tirelessly enacting laws, promoting immigration policies, and solidifying taboos that undermine White cohesion, White identity or White interests. (See: neo-Nazi).

    Subversion, transformation and control.

    It’s what they do.

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  45. Art says:
    @Vapid Budapesht
    You may be right about the subject of the article but I don't see how that negates what I wrote, especially when you read the below:

    'Then, the US-led empire will finally have the public mandate it needs to thoroughly and permanently colonize the Greater Middle East.

    It is easy to see how the Military Industrial Complex and crony energy industry would profit from such an outcome. But what about America’s “best friend” in the region? How does Israel stand to benefit from being surrounded by such chaos?'

    Which 'empire' is the writer referring to?

    “Which ‘empire’ is the writer referring to?”

    Gee Vapid,

    The whole article is about the Jew empire. Where are you coming from? Is your confusion intentional?

    Everyone knows that the US empire is directed by neocon Jews in conspiracy with Israel.

    You must be feigning stupidity.

    Art

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    "you must be feigning stupidity"


    or maybe he is just "vapid".?...... hence the first name.
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  46. joe webb says:
    @Vapid Budapesht
    You may be right about the subject of the article but I don't see how that negates what I wrote, especially when you read the below:

    'Then, the US-led empire will finally have the public mandate it needs to thoroughly and permanently colonize the Greater Middle East.

    It is easy to see how the Military Industrial Complex and crony energy industry would profit from such an outcome. But what about America’s “best friend” in the region? How does Israel stand to benefit from being surrounded by such chaos?'

    Which 'empire' is the writer referring to?

    what is worth “colonizing” in the ME.? Please be specific, and who are going to be the people on the ground?

    There is nothing in the ME except oil and that is more easily purchased world wide. The 3 or so trillion we have spent on the Jewish Wars does not add up for just oil or anything else you might suggest.

    “Colonize” and the lefties salivate, ding ding.

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    I don't think any interventions we have made are 'Jewish Wars', nor do I think they were undertaken for profit as many lefties claim. I agree with you that it is easier and cheaper to buy oil than to mount a huge military operation to steal it. No, I think these interventions are exactly what they seem, namely, that America foolishly was trying to spread its model of democracy around the world to peoples who neither want it nor are suited to it.
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  47. joe webb says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    When you penetrate nearly 100 years of brainwashing and recognize that Hitler was just as much a creature and asset of the Anglo-Dutch-zionists as were Saddam and Qaddafi, the pieces of the puzzle start to make sense.

    The formula is almost simplistic: the heroes are the evil masters; the demonized are the victims/targets; the alleged victims are the beneficiaries.

    Saint FDR was a monster. His first major acts (by June 1933) were to "torpedo" the London Economic Conference, destroying the ability of the British, French and Germans to stabilize their floundering economies; and to recognize Stalin's Bolshevik regime -- while Bolsheviks were still murdering their own people by the millions. FDR's goal was the destruction of Germany, the threat to British hegemony, and the subornation of the British empire in favor of United States empire/hegemony.

    Jews had been instrumental in the wars in Russia and Europe since the rise of the Rothschilds.

    Rick Atkinson calls the two world wars the "greatest catastrophe in all of history," and observes that they were built on a foundation of "hate."

    The skirmishes that set off those wars could have been of limited destructive force and loss but for the involvement of the British, Jews and the United States, none of whom was directly involved in the original conflicts, but all of whom intervened opportunistically if not, indeed, by provocative design, and all of whom were beneficiaries of the wars.

    Solon, “… recognize that Hitler was just as much a creature and asset of the Anglo-Dutch-zionists as were Saddam and Qaddafi, the pieces of the puzzle start to make sense.”

    one quarter truth at best. Hitler was trying to get jews out of Germany and for a while they had a pact with zionists to do just that. A medallion was struck with a swastika and a star of david, one on each side to commemorate this agreement which did resettle a large number of jews in Palestine. It is possible that Hitler did not care about Palestinians as he did not care much for the untermenschen in general. To claim that H. was a tool of the zionists is absurd, he had other things on his mind and getting the jews out of Germany was very important. Just where they went he probably could not care less about.

    Hitler’s was a short term solution and despite the nonsense about Hitler wanting to conquer the world, H. was pretty much a narrow German nationalist and had no Global Plan to share out the world with the jews. We also know H. did not have a high opinion of various other Whites, like slavs for starters.

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  48. alexander says:
    @Art
    "Which ‘empire’ is the writer referring to?"

    Gee Vapid,

    The whole article is about the Jew empire. Where are you coming from? Is your confusion intentional?

    Everyone knows that the US empire is directed by neocon Jews in conspiracy with Israel.

    You must be feigning stupidity.

    Art

    “you must be feigning stupidity”

    or maybe he is just “vapid”.?…… hence the first name.

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  49. Rehmat says:
    @Karl
    Dan Sanchez is now on a blacklist.

    He will not be allowed to take refuge in Israel when NorthAmerica becomes the western-most suburb of Harare, and Europe becomes the western-most suburb of Karachi

    Do you know that the only Pakistani Jew happen to live in Karachi?

    Jerusalem-based ‘The Times of Israel’ reported on February 26, 2014, the existence of a Pakistani-born Jew. Marc Goldberg claims that his discovery’s real name is Faisal Benkhald. He was born in Karachi in 1987 to a Pakistani Muslim engineer and his Jewish wife. Faisal’s parents died when he was 13.

    Faisal wants to change his name to Fishel Benkhald. He argues that since his mother was Jewish, according to the Jewish law, he is automatically Jewish. Goldberg accuses Pakistani authorities for not accepting Faisal’s claim – considered an apostasy by those Jew-hating Pakistani Muslims.

    Interestingly, Goldberg claims that Faisal’s Jewish mother gave birth to four more children – none of whom is interested to adopt their mother’s religion…….

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/02/27/wow-israel-finds-a-jew-in-karachi/

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    did you know that a Pakistani Army General made millions upon millions of dollars, mercenary-ing himself out to King Hussein to do the dirty work during Black September? "Shield of the Sunnis" indeed!

    Where is your family from - Islamabad, or Lahore? Lahore has prettier girls. The Emiratis and the Saudis pay inflated prices to fuck them. Too bad, as you can get a full-time college-girl mistress for about $150 /month in Karachi. And your wife in Clifton will pretend she doesn't know about it, as long as her credit-cards for shopping at Dolmen Mall continue to be accepted by the swipe-machines..

    Too bad neither of those Punjabi cities has a police force like the Sindh Rangers.

    Jews have gotten around almost as much as Filipinos do. However, there never was a SIGNIFICANT community in Pakistan. Never even produced an IDF Colonel, much less any Generals.

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  50. @joe webb
    what is worth "colonizing" in the ME.? Please be specific, and who are going to be the people on the ground?


    There is nothing in the ME except oil and that is more easily purchased world wide. The 3 or so trillion we have spent on the Jewish Wars does not add up for just oil or anything else you might suggest.

    "Colonize" and the lefties salivate, ding ding.

    I don’t think any interventions we have made are ‘Jewish Wars’, nor do I think they were undertaken for profit as many lefties claim. I agree with you that it is easier and cheaper to buy oil than to mount a huge military operation to steal it. No, I think these interventions are exactly what they seem, namely, that America foolishly was trying to spread its model of democracy around the world to peoples who neither want it nor are suited to it.

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    No, I think these interventions are exactly what they seem, namely, that America foolishly was trying to spread its model of democracy around the world to peoples who neither want it nor are suited to it.
     
    Welcome to Unz, VB. We've been waiting for you. It appears that the MFA has taken my advice and has dispensed with obviously fake names... yours is much better. Trouble is, you still can't get around the challenge of trying to square the circle - i.e., defending the indefensible. Let's see, all the wars in the ME have nothing to do with enhancing the security of the villa in the jungle... it's all about promoting democracy, right?

    I had to go searching way back in my archive, but I managed to dig out this response to this obvious canard:

    [It] is very important to remember the source of the Bush Doctrine of promoting democracy at the point of a gun. It was a book (The Case for Democracy) by Natan Sharansky who was a refusnik and former Interior Minister of Israel. Rather than having a genuine desire to liberate the peoples of the ME, Sharansky devised an ingenious scheme that would destabilize Israel’s remaining enemies. These countries were targeted because they were supporting the Palestinians in their struggle against Israeli oppression. The common trait among these countries was that they were led by autocrats – Hussein in Iraq, Assad in Syria, Gaddafi in Libya – or autocratic regimes – the theocracy in Iran. Since these regimes proved difficult to subvert from without, Sharansky’s brilliant idea was to topple them from within. And this would require little effort thanks to how most of these countries were artificially constructed on the ruins of the Ottoman Empire. The Sykes-Picot Agreement was based on the principle of “Divide and Rule.” So Shia, Sunni, and Kurd were placed within a common border. Good luck trying to establish a functioning democracy under these circumstances. So next time someone talks about the virtue of “spreading democracy,” remember these are really code words for spreading instability and ultimately, bringing about regime change.
     
    , @joe webb
    This has already been answered by geokat and inter alia by many folks here describing the neoconservative subversion of US foreign policy over the last at least 25 years, and longer if you go back to the 1970s, etc. Henry Jackson .

    Read Sniegoskis's The Transparent Cabal which is featured in the books section of Unz somewhere.

    Ancillary argument: where else is the US trying to build Democracy? Nowhere, but arguably in Ukraine which is just a fake to harm Russia, which is another jewish aggression. Russia threw the jews out....and I notice that the j-oligarch Kodorwhatshis name has just been arrested again. Jews hate Russia, always have, which is the main reason for Bolshevism in the first place, ...kill whites.

    Joe Webb
    , @annamaria
    "I think these interventions are exactly what they seem, namely, that America foolishly was trying to spread its model of democracy around the world..."

    Never heard that the US has ever tried to "spread its model of democracy" to the kingdoms of Saudi Arabia and Qatar. This alone makes it clear the "democracy on the march" the US style has never been about democracy. Please reread a paragraph about Yinon and Wurmser. And do not forget to learn about PNAC.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815
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  51. alexander says:
    @Vapid Budapesht
    So the terror threat is just something cooked up by the state department and there is nothing and no one out there that is in the least threatening to the western world? I am inclined to think that writers such as Norman Podhoretz and Mark Steyn are right when they claim we are involved in World War III but a section of our own populace refuses to recognise it. All they see is hawkish American politicians. Strange.

    Hi Vapid,

    I appreciate your self deprecating choice of a first name, but unless your parents chose it for you, perhaps you should consider changing it?

    It would be very interesting to pull back the curtain on all the alleged “terror events” that have occurred, at least since 9-11, …and actually “see” what percentage were” staged” by our terror profiteers and their Neocon advisers…wouldn’t it ?

    That is why I am a fan of leaving Guantanamo” open”…….because if my suspicions, as well as others, are correct….there are many who may well deserve to be deposited there.

    Given the tenor and trajectory of world events…..perhaps that sort of “depositing” should happen sooner then later?

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  52. joe webb says:

    In this regard (above) Lenny Brenner, wrote Zionism in the Age of the Dictators, plus a follow up book on his sources. Brenner was a Trot. The transfer agreement is in his books.

    I sometimes wonder if people on his list are more concerned about liberal values of Equality and Decolonization trash than in saving our White race.

    Who cares about colonization anymore except when it threatens nuclear war?

    German fascism and Jewish/Israeli fascism are pretty much the same. The issue is Fascism for What or Who?

    Fascism is the normal condition of homo sapiens and what civilization can supplement to Nature is rationality and thinking ahead and pragmatism in order not to go ballistic in terms of nukes.

    I am a White Nationalist, and support Zionism. However, it is out of control and threatens the White race as well as threatening World Peace. The zionists have carried a good thing way too far.

    We can live with the Arabs, if they understand a few things: stay at home, etc. We can buy their oil, and they can cut up their women if they want to. No concern of ours. Ditto their butchering one-another which is nothing new. Israel may have to be ended, but the Jews will still be around. A New Israel could be created somewhere but the jews are going to have to pay for it this time.

    The Jews have over-reached and whites are awakening to that reality, if slowly and also because there is the special relationship with Protestant Christianity. One hundred million dead due to communism which the jews led has been eclipsed by the Whatever Millions of the Holocaust.

    So, I again ask, what are people really motivated by here, hatreds of jews or love of their own people, that is Whites?. The liberal squawks about Human Rights. The Nationalist works for his people. I think most of the folks here are still liberals, who just hate jews because they are not liberals (racial equality, internationalism, etc.)

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    "Fascism is the normal condition of homo [sic] sapiens..."

    That statement is enough to make Cicero, Brutus, Cincinnatus, Dante, Jefferson, Lee, Stonewall Jackson, and William Jennings Bryan weep.

    Never mind those Dead White Dudes: Is it true, or not?

    I have heard it said, "Mind is the builder". If people think that fascism is the natural condition of Homo sapiens, they will be more likely to surrender their judgement and morality to fatalism and go along with fascism, especially now that the proles are so into fads and so lacking in historical perspective. If you want to see fascism, watch the torchlight parades in Mariupol.

    The Semai were not "fascists". Nor were the Dayak, the Asmat, the Tuareg, or the Cheyenne. They were organized peoples ("tribes") who followed the Way of their Ancestors.

    It is time for us to spend our precious remaining time on Earth not watching sci-fi video, but learning the Way of our Ancestors. The infatuation with technology has gotten out of control.

    Ted Kaczynski was not mad at all; he saw that the world around him was going mad. It is.

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  53. If the Jews are really this clever and powerful, there is no point in resisting them. Our only hope is to join them and become a world of proselytes.

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    Why is it a "hope" to become a Proselyte, Mr Grate ?

    Wouldn't you be better off saying we should all "accept" our fate...and turn over our" will "to the one true chosen people...whose power to transcend us, mentally, financially, and every which way....has been so amply demonstrated, time and time again...we should just give up the ship...or at least its rudder and wheel..to those who "know ", for better or worse,where they want to take us ?

    But what happens if there is an instance, unbeknownst to you, where they were bested, at their very own game?...what happens then ?....do you still bow and follow....knowing it could be another way?....Do you Mr Grate ?

    Do you ?

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  54. Rehmat says:

    Excellent article Dan Sanchez but needs some corrections.

    Al-Qaeda, ISIS, al-Shabaab, etc. are created and publicized by the Zionist Mafia in order to prepare ground for the pro-Israel, Samuel P. Huntington’s ‘Clash of Civilization’ (Judeo-Christian world against Muslim world). Saddam Hussein was a US creation. The Western colonialist powers gave him billions of dollars worth military and WMD aid to bring an anti-Islam, pro-USrael regime change in Tehran, which failed after 8-year war. He was dumped because he did not served Zionists’ interests in regional.

    Assad’ Ba’athist regime is anti-religion, and has maintained good relations with the US and France. Yasser Arafat was a product of CIA in order to counter a possible rise of an Islamic resistance movement similar to Lebanese Hizbullah.

    Hamas founder Sheikh Yasin spent over a decade in Israeli prison. The current Hamas leadership is divided between Iran and Saudi blocks.

    Further to your analysis, two weeks ago, Lt. Gen. (ret) William G. (Jerry) Boykin appeared at ‘David Horowitz Freedom Center TV’ where he thanked his biblical G-d for creating ISIS, as now American forces will be in the Middle East to protect Israel forever. Horowitz, ex-communist turned a born-again Zionist Jew, is founder of anti-Muslim/Arab website FrontPage Magazine, and is considered Guru of US Islamophobe writers.

    http://rehmat1.com/2015/12/16/gen-jerry-boykin-thanks-isis-for-protecting-israel/

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  55. Art says:
    @Vapid Budapesht
    'The people of America want us to come home but the Jew will not let that happen.'

    'The Jew'? What are we, back in 1930's Germany or something? This is like talking about 'the black man', as though they are all the same'.

    “‘The Jew’? What are we, back in 1930′s Germany or something? This is like talking about ‘the black man’, as though they are all the same’.”

    No question – “the Japanese” attacked Pearl Harbor. – there is also no question but that “the Jew” have attacked America and taken over its government.

    Every Jew – of course not – but never the less the Jew have done it – they have turned America away from Christianity to evil Jew tribalism – end of story.

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  56. Tony says:

    This all sounds like a Dan sanchez fantasy to me. This all would have to get the blessing of Hussein obama who is no friend of Israel. And dont tell me obama isnt really in charge.

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    Sorry Tones, I'm not one for doing as I'm told anyway but some things have to be understood eventually. There is no Santa Claus and Obama isn't really in charge, he's a puppet. All western "leaders" are. It's why things are so screwed up.

    If that isn't obvious to you after seven years, well then I repeat, I'm sorry.
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  57. geokat62 says:
    @Vapid Budapesht
    I don't think any interventions we have made are 'Jewish Wars', nor do I think they were undertaken for profit as many lefties claim. I agree with you that it is easier and cheaper to buy oil than to mount a huge military operation to steal it. No, I think these interventions are exactly what they seem, namely, that America foolishly was trying to spread its model of democracy around the world to peoples who neither want it nor are suited to it.

    No, I think these interventions are exactly what they seem, namely, that America foolishly was trying to spread its model of democracy around the world to peoples who neither want it nor are suited to it.

    Welcome to Unz, VB. We’ve been waiting for you. It appears that the MFA has taken my advice and has dispensed with obviously fake names… yours is much better. Trouble is, you still can’t get around the challenge of trying to square the circle – i.e., defending the indefensible. Let’s see, all the wars in the ME have nothing to do with enhancing the security of the villa in the jungle… it’s all about promoting democracy, right?

    I had to go searching way back in my archive, but I managed to dig out this response to this obvious canard:

    [It] is very important to remember the source of the Bush Doctrine of promoting democracy at the point of a gun. It was a book (The Case for Democracy) by Natan Sharansky who was a refusnik and former Interior Minister of Israel. Rather than having a genuine desire to liberate the peoples of the ME, Sharansky devised an ingenious scheme that would destabilize Israel’s remaining enemies. These countries were targeted because they were supporting the Palestinians in their struggle against Israeli oppression. The common trait among these countries was that they were led by autocrats – Hussein in Iraq, Assad in Syria, Gaddafi in Libya – or autocratic regimes – the theocracy in Iran. Since these regimes proved difficult to subvert from without, Sharansky’s brilliant idea was to topple them from within. And this would require little effort thanks to how most of these countries were artificially constructed on the ruins of the Ottoman Empire. The Sykes-Picot Agreement was based on the principle of “Divide and Rule.” So Shia, Sunni, and Kurd were placed within a common border. Good luck trying to establish a functioning democracy under these circumstances. So next time someone talks about the virtue of “spreading democracy,” remember these are really code words for spreading instability and ultimately, bringing about regime change.

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  58. @joe webb
    In this regard (above) Lenny Brenner, wrote Zionism in the Age of the Dictators, plus a follow up book on his sources. Brenner was a Trot. The transfer agreement is in his books.

    I sometimes wonder if people on his list are more concerned about liberal values of Equality and Decolonization trash than in saving our White race.

    Who cares about colonization anymore except when it threatens nuclear war?

    German fascism and Jewish/Israeli fascism are pretty much the same. The issue is Fascism for What or Who?

    Fascism is the normal condition of homo sapiens and what civilization can supplement to Nature is rationality and thinking ahead and pragmatism in order not to go ballistic in terms of nukes.

    I am a White Nationalist, and support Zionism. However, it is out of control and threatens the White race as well as threatening World Peace. The zionists have carried a good thing way too far.

    We can live with the Arabs, if they understand a few things: stay at home, etc. We can buy their oil, and they can cut up their women if they want to. No concern of ours. Ditto their butchering one-another which is nothing new. Israel may have to be ended, but the Jews will still be around. A New Israel could be created somewhere but the jews are going to have to pay for it this time.

    The Jews have over-reached and whites are awakening to that reality, if slowly and also because there is the special relationship with Protestant Christianity. One hundred million dead due to communism which the jews led has been eclipsed by the Whatever Millions of the Holocaust.

    So, I again ask, what are people really motivated by here, hatreds of jews or love of their own people, that is Whites?. The liberal squawks about Human Rights. The Nationalist works for his people. I think most of the folks here are still liberals, who just hate jews because they are not liberals (racial equality, internationalism, etc.)

    “Fascism is the normal condition of homo [sic] sapiens…”

    That statement is enough to make Cicero, Brutus, Cincinnatus, Dante, Jefferson, Lee, Stonewall Jackson, and William Jennings Bryan weep.

    Never mind those Dead White Dudes: Is it true, or not?

    I have heard it said, “Mind is the builder”. If people think that fascism is the natural condition of Homo sapiens, they will be more likely to surrender their judgement and morality to fatalism and go along with fascism, especially now that the proles are so into fads and so lacking in historical perspective. If you want to see fascism, watch the torchlight parades in Mariupol.

    The Semai were not “fascists”. Nor were the Dayak, the Asmat, the Tuareg, or the Cheyenne. They were organized peoples (“tribes”) who followed the Way of their Ancestors.

    It is time for us to spend our precious remaining time on Earth not watching sci-fi video, but learning the Way of our Ancestors. The infatuation with technology has gotten out of control.

    Ted Kaczynski was not mad at all; he saw that the world around him was going mad. It is.

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    I guessed that what would be overlooked in my remarks was and is, my supplemental statement that rationality and reason can inform the basic socio-biological human condition so that a relative peace can be obtained.

    The Liberal Ideology is wrong on every count. First , it is economistic. People do not fundamentally organize themselves for money. They organize themselves as families, tribes and finally racial nations, if they are smart enough.

    Arabs cannot make the jump to a genuine nation because they are too stupid and too emotionally labile. This can be seen in other people, like Africans, and to a lesser extent everywhere, including some whites. (when that obtains among whites, they should be allowed to go their separate ways, as in Belgium.)

    Reason today with regard to race and politics demands that different races be separated. Any neutral observer can see that.

    Fascism includes racial identification, defense of territory, strong military, manly virtues, inequality frankly stated but with Consent generally attained and careers open to talent, as our aristocratic ancient and recent social organization demonstrates. Oriental Despotism is not fascism or aristocratic modes of governance. The single maximum leader is without law, etc.

    Fascism like the old feudalism, carries with it mutual obligation, reciprocal legal relations amongst various orders or estates of people, in other words, the rule of law restrains all. The Catholic Church is close to this, and of course it is modeled on Rome and Roman Law.

    Your list of weeping men is way off. First of all, the economic, demographic, and sheer size of countries today requires fresh approaches. Jeffersonian democracy is long gone. All those non-western peoples never developed Reason nor free speech, they are just Other who will never invent even a liberal social order. In a word, they are not White.

    Fascism today would include free speech and all the other liberties enjoyed and invented by white men. The various magical words usually deployed to attack fascism are just liberal cant.
    The point is that fascism starts with a WE, a communal and racial self-identification, that puts country first, race first, and loyalty to the state first...just like ancient Greece or Rome...speaking of your Ciceros, etc.

    Economics would be national, as all public policy would be. Is it Good for the Jews? is the jewish alleged joke. It is not a joke. It is their racial standard. Thus, is it Good for Whites, would be the paramount concern. The rest of the world and its people to be left alone to follow their genes and so on. But no interference in our White World.

    You may not have noticed, but Whites are under attack, from jews, browns and blacks.... We need to circle the wagons and fight, and the first thing is loyalty to your own people. If you do not accept that, you are a liberal and should move out before you get moved out, with the untermenschen.

    Joe Webb
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  59. alexander says:
    @The Grate Deign
    If the Jews are really this clever and powerful, there is no point in resisting them. Our only hope is to join them and become a world of proselytes.

    Why is it a “hope” to become a Proselyte, Mr Grate ?

    Wouldn’t you be better off saying we should all “accept” our fate…and turn over our” will “to the one true chosen people…whose power to transcend us, mentally, financially, and every which way….has been so amply demonstrated, time and time again…we should just give up the ship…or at least its rudder and wheel..to those who “know “, for better or worse,where they want to take us ?

    But what happens if there is an instance, unbeknownst to you, where they were bested, at their very own game?…what happens then ?….do you still bow and follow….knowing it could be another way?….Do you Mr Grate ?

    Do you ?

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  60. @Reg Cæsar
    Will Señor Sanchez next address the Hispanozionist occupation of al-Andalus and the ethnic cleansing of its rightful owners, the Arabs? Because once Arabs occupy a territory once, it is theirs for all time, right? The present occupants of Iberia are just colonizers, right? That's what the popular mainstream philosopher Osama said.

    Poor analogy, Mr. Caesar. In the case of Spain, the Roman/Celtic/Germanic Christians were there first, while the Arabs invaded afterward. During 7 centuries of Moorish rule, hardly of the natives converted to Islam, so this was in every sense Christian territory occupied by a relatively small number of foreign Moslems. By the way even the very word ‘Al Andalus’ was an Arabic corruption of ‘Vandals’. The Vandals ruled that region before the coming of the Moors.

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  61. @SolontoCroesus
    yours is a thankless job, Sherm.
    Does Hasbara central outfit you in Fool's harlequin complete with bells on toes?


    Operation Seashell in Ronen Bergman's The Secret War with Iran

    4 main reasons why Israel violated the US sanctions and sold arms to Iran during Iraq's war against Iran:

    1. "Israel could not come to terms with the military, intelligence, and diplomatic losses that it had sustained with the disruption of relations with Iran after the revolution. Arms exports would at least give it a foothold in Tehran. In Israel's defense establishment, the lesson had been learned from many cases . . .that swiftly supplying weaponry and military know-how . . .will bring the supplier as close as possible to the rulers . . ."

    2. "It was hoped that the infusion of weaponry would intensify the Iran-Iraq war and lead to the mutual destruction or, at least weakening, of two enemies."

    3. "Israeli officials feared a victorious Saddam Hussein."

    4. "Finally, more than anything else, the weapons industry wanted to make money. . . . 'All that interested us was to sell, sell, sell more Israeli weapons, and let them kill each other with them.' "

    Henry Kissinger once succinctly described Washington’s (Tel Aviv’s?) strategy during the Iran-Iraq War in five words: “Two scorpions in a bottle.”

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  62. @Vapid Budapesht
    Aha, so this is all about the US wanting to colonize the Middle East. You wouldn't have any evidence for this thesis, would you?

    Are you very stupid vapid?

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  63. @Wally
    Israelizing of the US & the world was the main purpose of the blatantly staged 9/11 fiasco.

    The US / Israeli government's laughable & impossible 9/11 conspiracy theory is what drives the US foreign policy that has been spelled out.

    - The US / Israeli government cannot change laws of physics.

    - It's an established scientific fact that military grade nano-thermite was used in the 9/11 attack.

    - '9/11' has been an immensely profitable scam for various players in the US and Israel.

    - '9/11' provides excuses for our disastrous & mass murdering foreign policy.

    - '9/11' provides excuses for the theft of our constitutional rights.

    - '9/11' provides excuses for the enormous increase of government power.

    Follow the money.
    Who benefits?

    http://www.ae911truth.org

    What Science Says About the Destruction of World Trade Center Buildings 1, 2, and 7
    http://www.beyondmisinformation.org/#beyond-misinformation

    Right you are Wally, this is the hanging thread that can and should unravel the whole fetid web of deceit and treachery.

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  64. joe webb says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)
    "Fascism is the normal condition of homo [sic] sapiens..."

    That statement is enough to make Cicero, Brutus, Cincinnatus, Dante, Jefferson, Lee, Stonewall Jackson, and William Jennings Bryan weep.

    Never mind those Dead White Dudes: Is it true, or not?

    I have heard it said, "Mind is the builder". If people think that fascism is the natural condition of Homo sapiens, they will be more likely to surrender their judgement and morality to fatalism and go along with fascism, especially now that the proles are so into fads and so lacking in historical perspective. If you want to see fascism, watch the torchlight parades in Mariupol.

    The Semai were not "fascists". Nor were the Dayak, the Asmat, the Tuareg, or the Cheyenne. They were organized peoples ("tribes") who followed the Way of their Ancestors.

    It is time for us to spend our precious remaining time on Earth not watching sci-fi video, but learning the Way of our Ancestors. The infatuation with technology has gotten out of control.

    Ted Kaczynski was not mad at all; he saw that the world around him was going mad. It is.

    I guessed that what would be overlooked in my remarks was and is, my supplemental statement that rationality and reason can inform the basic socio-biological human condition so that a relative peace can be obtained.

    The Liberal Ideology is wrong on every count. First , it is economistic. People do not fundamentally organize themselves for money. They organize themselves as families, tribes and finally racial nations, if they are smart enough.

    Arabs cannot make the jump to a genuine nation because they are too stupid and too emotionally labile. This can be seen in other people, like Africans, and to a lesser extent everywhere, including some whites. (when that obtains among whites, they should be allowed to go their separate ways, as in Belgium.)

    Reason today with regard to race and politics demands that different races be separated. Any neutral observer can see that.

    Fascism includes racial identification, defense of territory, strong military, manly virtues, inequality frankly stated but with Consent generally attained and careers open to talent, as our aristocratic ancient and recent social organization demonstrates. Oriental Despotism is not fascism or aristocratic modes of governance. The single maximum leader is without law, etc.

    Fascism like the old feudalism, carries with it mutual obligation, reciprocal legal relations amongst various orders or estates of people, in other words, the rule of law restrains all. The Catholic Church is close to this, and of course it is modeled on Rome and Roman Law.

    Your list of weeping men is way off. First of all, the economic, demographic, and sheer size of countries today requires fresh approaches. Jeffersonian democracy is long gone. All those non-western peoples never developed Reason nor free speech, they are just Other who will never invent even a liberal social order. In a word, they are not White.

    Fascism today would include free speech and all the other liberties enjoyed and invented by white men. The various magical words usually deployed to attack fascism are just liberal cant.
    The point is that fascism starts with a WE, a communal and racial self-identification, that puts country first, race first, and loyalty to the state first…just like ancient Greece or Rome…speaking of your Ciceros, etc.

    Economics would be national, as all public policy would be. Is it Good for the Jews? is the jewish alleged joke. It is not a joke. It is their racial standard. Thus, is it Good for Whites, would be the paramount concern. The rest of the world and its people to be left alone to follow their genes and so on. But no interference in our White World.

    You may not have noticed, but Whites are under attack, from jews, browns and blacks…. We need to circle the wagons and fight, and the first thing is loyalty to your own people. If you do not accept that, you are a liberal and should move out before you get moved out, with the untermenschen.

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  65. Clyde says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)


    Would-be-humorist:

    Can't you see? Your shtick doesn't work any more. It's the brainwashed Amerikanische goyim, whose original European culture has been totally dumbed-down, perverted, and polluted by the J***sh media (take a look at who owns Time Warner, Disney, etc., etc.), who are "totally incapable and dumb".

    But hark! A Trumpet sounds from On High!
    Is the Second Coming of Messiah nigh?
    The Star of Vegas seems to say
    A Russian light shall shine our way.
    The goyim stir! They're stirring now!
    Fear wrinkles the rabbi's brow!


    You are right about the "ZOG" (Zionist Occupation Government) and its "mind rays": The "mind rays" are the propaganda coming out of the media that keep the goyim sedated. Look almost anywhere; you can start with almost any film, NYT editorial, or New Yorker article. Especially choice are the lead stories on PBS in the "BBC America" "news" "coverage".

    How about reading Sanchez' link to the Israel Shahak speech of 3/3/2013 to the Association of Arab-American University Graduates:

    www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    You are very good and high IQ (you passed the audition) but 15 millions Jews cannot control the world. A good and prosperous New Year to you! Seriously!

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    "but 15 millions Jews cannot control the world. "

    Less then 100 Jew bankers do control the Western world.
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  66. joe webb says:
    @Vapid Budapesht
    I don't think any interventions we have made are 'Jewish Wars', nor do I think they were undertaken for profit as many lefties claim. I agree with you that it is easier and cheaper to buy oil than to mount a huge military operation to steal it. No, I think these interventions are exactly what they seem, namely, that America foolishly was trying to spread its model of democracy around the world to peoples who neither want it nor are suited to it.

    This has already been answered by geokat and inter alia by many folks here describing the neoconservative subversion of US foreign policy over the last at least 25 years, and longer if you go back to the 1970s, etc. Henry Jackson .

    Read Sniegoskis’s The Transparent Cabal which is featured in the books section of Unz somewhere.

    Ancillary argument: where else is the US trying to build Democracy? Nowhere, but arguably in Ukraine which is just a fake to harm Russia, which is another jewish aggression. Russia threw the jews out….and I notice that the j-oligarch Kodorwhatshis name has just been arrested again. Jews hate Russia, always have, which is the main reason for Bolshevism in the first place, …kill whites.

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  67. joe webb says:

    I guess i have to make clear that I am not a Hitler fan. AH was not a good European, he was a narrow German nationalist. The future White world, purged of Other races, will be a kind of commonwealth, I hope, with absolute sovereign borders guaranteeing the various White ethnys their heritage, their peoplehood, their neighborhoods, their languages and their prejudices, if you like.

    All people have a right to exist in their home territories. This is not Natural Law, it is just what pragmatically the world needs to avoid unnecessary war.

    I hear someone saying…the aboriginees..yup. Realism. A stone age culture cannot survive when up against relative modernity. Pragmatism again. Also, Whites are fighters, and that is just the way it is.

    If you are third worlders bitching about everything, be content that you can stay at home unbothered anymore by Whites, the restless and Faustian racial types. We will let you naval gaze, cut up your women, enslave one-another, etc. You are not worth our allegedly humanitarian energies, which are going to quickly disappear, just as in Europe today with the untermenschen demanding free money and free pussy. The case of he Disappearing Liberal….even Merkel.

    There are limits.

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  68. @From The Hague
    Mr. Sanchez and now also a lot of posters here just endless complain that, although the US is doing a lot of bad things all over the world, they do this to please or on order of jews (or/and Israel) and that’s why in the first place jews are to blame.
    Obscure reasoning.
    Yankee, go home.

    It’s wearing very thin and sounds awfully tinny but the song remains the same. Are you not just shooting the messengers? Those names that keep cropping up with regards to US foreign policy blunders (regarding US interests) and war crimes, what are they again? Kristol, Pearle, Abrams, Feith, Wurmser, Wolfowitz, Nuland, Kagan, the list goes on and on.

    Surely these and others of their ilk are the individuals creating ill will towards our Jewish brethren or am I mistaken and it’s actually just the obscure reasoning of people commenting here? It seems to me there are quite a lot of well reasoned points being made across this site but perhaps that’s just my own obscure reasoning at work.

    More and more decent and reasonable people see what is happening to America and the ME and are voicing their disapproval. Is that not a demonstration of morality?

    It seems to me that Jews in general have it pretty good in the US, many after been taken in as refugees. What will be the outcome for most of them in time after all this meddling by this evil, determined cabal? Will the tables turn and then become pretty ugly? Isn’t that a repeat of the way things went in Germany?

    I’d hate to see it happen but given that the model exists and can be seem to be being repeated, defending the indefensible makes me think that people like yourself pose the bigger threat to Jews not those discussing here what is becoming ever more self evident to ever more people who actually care about America and world peace.

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    "Kristol, Pearle, Abrams, Feith, Wurmser, Wolfowitz, Nuland, Kagan, the list goes on and on."

    So that's how you talk away the 100% responsibility of the US, from POTUS to Pentagon to every individual US-murderer and US-chaosmaker.

    It's a shame.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEOMchDJOus&feature=youtu.be
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  69. @Tony
    This all sounds like a Dan sanchez fantasy to me. This all would have to get the blessing of Hussein obama who is no friend of Israel. And dont tell me obama isnt really in charge.

    Sorry Tones, I’m not one for doing as I’m told anyway but some things have to be understood eventually. There is no Santa Claus and Obama isn’t really in charge, he’s a puppet. All western “leaders” are. It’s why things are so screwed up.

    If that isn’t obvious to you after seven years, well then I repeat, I’m sorry.

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  70. Art says:
    @Clyde
    You are very good and high IQ (you passed the audition) but 15 millions Jews cannot control the world. A good and prosperous New Year to you! Seriously!

    “but 15 millions Jews cannot control the world. “

    Less then 100 Jew bankers do control the Western world.

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  71. Ike says:
    @William H McCarty
    It is unfortunate that the people who yell loudest about genocide and holocaust seem to be satisfied with, and hope to benefit from, the dispossession, displacement and systematic genocide of the millions of Christians in Iraq and Syria along with other minority groups. Too bad American fundamentalist Christians, who worship Israel, are oblivious to this.

    William, your comment of Christians ‘worshiping Israel” is very astute; worship implies according to Strong’s Concordance : “From G4314 and probably a derivative of G2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand); to fawn or crouch to, that is, (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore): – worship.”

    When Israel was cast as a nation but was not the real Israel but rather a ‘reflection’ of the beast which set it up on its own pedestal as a ‘Image of the Beast’. So Kazar Israel is no more than an image to reflect the true nature of the beast from the ‘bottomless pit’ which it so well exemplifies in all its satanic character and being. Reflection implies…”the act of reflecting, as in casting back a light or heat, mirroring, or giving back or showing an image; the state of being reflected in this way.”

    This Christians who honor or pay homage to Israel are in essence worshiping the beast’s Image and indirectly the beast and some actually are part and parcel of the ‘body of this beast’ that Israel is a reflection of.

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  72. annamaria says:
    @Vapid Budapesht
    I don't think any interventions we have made are 'Jewish Wars', nor do I think they were undertaken for profit as many lefties claim. I agree with you that it is easier and cheaper to buy oil than to mount a huge military operation to steal it. No, I think these interventions are exactly what they seem, namely, that America foolishly was trying to spread its model of democracy around the world to peoples who neither want it nor are suited to it.

    “I think these interventions are exactly what they seem, namely, that America foolishly was trying to spread its model of democracy around the world…”

    Never heard that the US has ever tried to “spread its model of democracy” to the kingdoms of Saudi Arabia and Qatar. This alone makes it clear the “democracy on the march” the US style has never been about democracy. Please reread a paragraph about Yinon and Wurmser. And do not forget to learn about PNAC.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

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    First a confession: I didn't read the whole article. After reading the first couple of paragraphs I thought, 'I see where this is going. All wars are cooked up by the US military-industrial complex for profit and serves America's desire to build an empire'.

    I apologize. I should have read more and seen it was all about the Jews, not the Yanks. That's why I came across as being a bit dense.

    Having admitted that I will spoil it again by saying I just don't buy the idea being peddled here that the Neocon idea of nation building was dreamt up for the benefit of Israel. Even if Bush's administration was packed to the rafters with Jews, that is merely a consequence of Ashkenazi Jews having a higher average IQ than others and thus suited to positions of power. I have actually read a book by Nathan Sharansky (Fear no Evil) and he seemed quite reasonable to me. He would have every right to hate the Soviets but I'm not sure that all Jews do.

    The doctrine of nation building was supported by many gentiles, including Douglas Murray, one of my favourite political commentators, and Christopher Hitchens. The latter was no fan of Israel. I think they and the Neocons got it wrong. It's just that deposing Saddam seemed like a good idea at the time. He had been playing cat and mouse with the West for too long and needed to be taught a lesson and his people freed. The freeing of the Kurds in Northern Iraq a decade earlier had gone so well so why not repeat it?

    Just as we made a mistake in the 1960's in believing that black people were the same as us and would quickly close the achievement gap if given the chance, so we made the same mistake in the 2000's by thinking we could bring civilisation to a bunch of people who were genetically, culturally, religiously and historically different from us.

    Joe Webb, 'the Japanese' is plural and is not the same as saying 'the Jew', singular. It's the same as 'the Chinaman' or the Chinese.

    , @tbraton
    From your link:

    "According to Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya in a 2011 Global Research article, The Yinon Plan was a continuation of Britain’s colonial design in the Middle East:

    “[The Yinon plan] is an Israeli strategic plan to ensure Israeli regional superiority. It insists and stipulates that Israel must reconfigure its geo-political environment through the balkanization of the surrounding Arab states into smaller and weaker states.

    Israeli strategists viewed Iraq as their biggest strategic challenge from an Arab state. This is why Iraq was outlined as the centerpiece to the balkanization of the Middle East and the Arab World. In Iraq, on the basis of the concepts of the Yinon Plan, Israeli strategists have called for the division of Iraq into a Kurdish state and two Arab states, one for Shiite Muslims and the other for Sunni Muslims. The first step towards establishing this was a war between Iraq and Iran, which the Yinon Plan discusses. . . ."

    As I recall, VP Joe Biden once (and probably still does) promoted a plan to divide Iraq into three parts: Kurdistan in the north, Sunni area in the west, and Shia area in the east. I think he got the idea from Peter Galbraith, the son of the late and famously liberal Harvard "economics" professor John Kenneth Galbraith, who together with Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. helped create the liberal organization Americans for Democratic Action ("ADA"), a moving force in the days of John F. Kennedy, who they both served as advisers (JKG became Ambassador to India, as I recall). Peter Galbraith became a well paid adviser to the Kurds and made a lot of money through financial arrangements connected to oil. (The Galbraith story brings to mind that of the Christian missionaries to Hawaii "who came to do good and did very well indeed" as they became the largest landowners on the islands.) There are many complicated strands at work in this area, and it is hard to trace their relationship to each other. But underlying it all appears to be a master plan.
    , @Vapid Budapesht
    Hi Annamarina,

    Your argument that America can't really be that bothered about spreading democracy since it isn't attempting to do so in Saudi Arabia or Qatar doesn't hold water. Not being a democracy is not enough to warrant invading you. Not being a democracy, using your country as an open prison, trying to acquire nuclear weapons, not cooperating with weapons inspectors, using chemical weapons against your own minorities and supporting terrorists is enough, not for the UN to agree to do much but enough to make decent countries invade you.
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  73. palladino says:

    Subversion, transformation and control, as someone said previously, are survival strategies for a tribe that has been continuously embedded within the societies of Others. One need not invoke conspiracy to understand these motivations. But how do we explain the fact that gentiles, especially our elites, have fallen so hard for modern liberalism, a construct of disproportionately Jewish intellectual influence?

    This development has to do with the rewards of liberalism, even as those rewards become toxic: self-determination, materialism, individualism, hedonism, and personal autonomy. More importantly, it has everything to do with what we are required to leave behind in order to pursue these rewards: discernment, faith, restraint and truth.

    One could argue that modern liberalism is a tactic that aims to establish a secular globalism at the expense of racial and national identity– for whites at least. This scheme requires that naturally and historically cohesive peoples who will guard and promote their own interests be subdued because they are a threat to others. As has already been said here, this is exactly Israel’s policy toward the Arabs.

    But we are not Arabs. It seems obvious that those of European-Christian descent (not Jews) have done most of the work, both actively and especially passively, of adopting liberalism with gusto and watching the aftermath like watching an old theatre on fire. If the Jew is the arsonist in this case, where is the fire department?

    The peoples of Old Europe knew that our inherently fallen nature is the real problem, at al levels of self and society, and they resisted it.

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  74. […] “War Is Realizing the Israelizing of the World”  Useful history of the main Zionist strategy. […]

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  75. Prior to 711, it was the Visigoths who were in control as there was infighting between the various ‘factions”. They appeared to be allies of the North African Tariq and so these North Africans were invited to assist the Visigoth cause in Spain and found they liked their new digs, they stayed awhile
    (7 centuries).

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  76. @annamaria
    "I think these interventions are exactly what they seem, namely, that America foolishly was trying to spread its model of democracy around the world..."

    Never heard that the US has ever tried to "spread its model of democracy" to the kingdoms of Saudi Arabia and Qatar. This alone makes it clear the "democracy on the march" the US style has never been about democracy. Please reread a paragraph about Yinon and Wurmser. And do not forget to learn about PNAC.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    First a confession: I didn’t read the whole article. After reading the first couple of paragraphs I thought, ‘I see where this is going. All wars are cooked up by the US military-industrial complex for profit and serves America’s desire to build an empire’.

    I apologize. I should have read more and seen it was all about the Jews, not the Yanks. That’s why I came across as being a bit dense.

    Having admitted that I will spoil it again by saying I just don’t buy the idea being peddled here that the Neocon idea of nation building was dreamt up for the benefit of Israel. Even if Bush’s administration was packed to the rafters with Jews, that is merely a consequence of Ashkenazi Jews having a higher average IQ than others and thus suited to positions of power. I have actually read a book by Nathan Sharansky (Fear no Evil) and he seemed quite reasonable to me. He would have every right to hate the Soviets but I’m not sure that all Jews do.

    The doctrine of nation building was supported by many gentiles, including Douglas Murray, one of my favourite political commentators, and Christopher Hitchens. The latter was no fan of Israel. I think they and the Neocons got it wrong. It’s just that deposing Saddam seemed like a good idea at the time. He had been playing cat and mouse with the West for too long and needed to be taught a lesson and his people freed. The freeing of the Kurds in Northern Iraq a decade earlier had gone so well so why not repeat it?

    Just as we made a mistake in the 1960′s in believing that black people were the same as us and would quickly close the achievement gap if given the chance, so we made the same mistake in the 2000′s by thinking we could bring civilisation to a bunch of people who were genetically, culturally, religiously and historically different from us.

    Joe Webb, ‘the Japanese’ is plural and is not the same as saying ‘the Jew’, singular. It’s the same as ‘the Chinaman’ or the Chinese.

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    Having admitted that I will spoil it again by saying I just don’t buy the idea being peddled here that the Neocon idea of nation building was dreamt up for the benefit of Israel.
     
    Another one of my previous comments I managed to dig up:

    Mearsheimer and Walt in Ch 8 of their book The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy provide the incriminating evidence that the Iraq war was pushed by the Lobby to enhance Israel’s security:

    Israel’s enthusiasm for war eventually led some of its allies in America to tell Israeli officials to damp down their hawkish rhetoric, lest the war look like it was being fought for Israel. In the fall of 2002, for example, a group of American political consultants known as the Israel Project circulated a six-page memorandum to key Israelis and pro-Israel leaders in the United States. The memo was titled “Talking about Iraq” and was intended as a guide for public statements about the war. “If your goal is regime change, you must be much more careful with your language because of the potential backlash. You do not want Americans to believe that the war on Iraq is being waged to protect Israel rather than to protect America.” http://mailstar.net/iraq-war.html
     
    , @Clyde

    Just as we made a mistake in the 1960′s in believing that black people were the same as us and would quickly close the achievement gap if given the chance, so we made the same mistake in the 2000′s by thinking we could bring civilisation to a bunch of people who were genetically, culturally, religiously and historically different from us.
     
    Correct on both accounts. The later being offing Saddam Hussein and "bringing civilization" to Iraq. Just think of the Iraq war as a multi-trillion dollar affirmative action program gone horribly wrong.
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  77. Karl says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    http://www.istockphoto.com/photo/court-of-the-myrtles-inside-alhambra-granada-spain-62787220?st=29272f9

    Alhambra (/ælˈhæmbrə/; Spanish: [aˈlambɾa]; Arabic: الْحَمْرَاء‎, [ʔælħæmˈɾˠɑːʔ], Al-Ḥamrā', lit. "the red one"),. . . is a palace and fortress complex located in Granada, Andalusia, Spain. It was originally constructed as a small fortress in 889 and then largely ignored until its ruins were renovated and rebuilt in the mid-13th century by the Moorish emir Mohammed ben Al-Ahmar of the Emirate of Granada, who built its current palace and walls. It was converted into a royal palace in 1333 by Yusuf I, Sultan of Granada.

    Alhambra's Islamic palaces, as we know them today, were built for the last Muslim emirs in Spain and the court of the Nasrid dynasty.

    After the conquest of Granada by the Reyes Católicos ("Catholic Monarchs") in 1492, some portions were used by Christian rulers. The Palace of Charles V, built by Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor in 1527, was inserted in the Alhambra within the Nasrid fortifications. After being allowed to fall into disrepair for centuries, the buildings being occupied by squatters, Alhambra was rediscovered in the 19th century by European scholars and travelers, with restorations commencing.

    It is now one of Spain's major tourist attractions, exhibiting the country's most significant and well known Islamic architecture, together with 16th-century and later Christian building and garden interventions. Alhambra is a UNESCO World Heritage Site and the inspiration for many songs and stories.

    Moorish poets described it as "a pearl set in emeralds," an allusion to the colour of its buildings and the woods around them.[3] The palace complex was designed with the mountainous site in mind and many forms of technology were considered. The park (Alameda de la Alhambra), which is overgrown with wildflowers and grass in the spring, was planted by the Moors with roses, oranges, and myrtles
     
    Jews call their sojourn in Al-Andalus the Jewish Golden Age.

    >> Jews call their sojourn in Al-Andalus the Jewish Golden Age

    That’s odd. Israeli textbooks say that the “Golden Age” of the Hebrews was when Solomon was so strong that the Phoenician King Hiram, felt it would be in his interests to send tribute for the construction of the first Temple.

    Brick-paved walkways from that time have been uncovered in Jerusalem. Come and visit them.

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  78. Karl says:
    @Rehmat
    Do you know that the only Pakistani Jew happen to live in Karachi?

    Jerusalem-based ‘The Times of Israel’ reported on February 26, 2014, the existence of a Pakistani-born Jew. Marc Goldberg claims that his discovery’s real name is Faisal Benkhald. He was born in Karachi in 1987 to a Pakistani Muslim engineer and his Jewish wife. Faisal’s parents died when he was 13.

    Faisal wants to change his name to Fishel Benkhald. He argues that since his mother was Jewish, according to the Jewish law, he is automatically Jewish. Goldberg accuses Pakistani authorities for not accepting Faisal’s claim – considered an apostasy by those Jew-hating Pakistani Muslims.

    Interestingly, Goldberg claims that Faisal’s Jewish mother gave birth to four more children – none of whom is interested to adopt their mother’s religion.......

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/02/27/wow-israel-finds-a-jew-in-karachi/

    did you know that a Pakistani Army General made millions upon millions of dollars, mercenary-ing himself out to King Hussein to do the dirty work during Black September? “Shield of the Sunnis” indeed!

    Where is your family from – Islamabad, or Lahore? Lahore has prettier girls. The Emiratis and the Saudis pay inflated prices to fuck them. Too bad, as you can get a full-time college-girl mistress for about $150 /month in Karachi. And your wife in Clifton will pretend she doesn’t know about it, as long as her credit-cards for shopping at Dolmen Mall continue to be accepted by the swipe-machines..

    Too bad neither of those Punjabi cities has a police force like the Sindh Rangers.

    Jews have gotten around almost as much as Filipinos do. However, there never was a SIGNIFICANT community in Pakistan. Never even produced an IDF Colonel, much less any Generals.

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    Lulz! I hope that the only Zio-Mind Rays bouncing off Rehamats skull in 2016 are from a tanning bed in the Clifton NJ Mall
    , @Rehmat
    Another Zionist BS darling.

    That Pakistani "General" of yours in Jordan, was Col. Zia-ul Haq at that time, who later became second military dictator, Gen. Zia ul Haq. Now could King Hussein pay him millions of dollars while like Israel was living on US taxpayers donations.

    I was born in Northern Frontier of British India. Where were you born, in some Polish Jew ghetto?

    Did you remember how Pakistani volunteer pilots shot-down 10 Israeli jets during Holy 1973 War?

    http://rehmat1.com/2012/08/17/pakistani-pilots-who-shot-down-10-israeli-jets/
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  79. @NoseytheDuke
    It's wearing very thin and sounds awfully tinny but the song remains the same. Are you not just shooting the messengers? Those names that keep cropping up with regards to US foreign policy blunders (regarding US interests) and war crimes, what are they again? Kristol, Pearle, Abrams, Feith, Wurmser, Wolfowitz, Nuland, Kagan, the list goes on and on.

    Surely these and others of their ilk are the individuals creating ill will towards our Jewish brethren or am I mistaken and it's actually just the obscure reasoning of people commenting here? It seems to me there are quite a lot of well reasoned points being made across this site but perhaps that's just my own obscure reasoning at work.

    More and more decent and reasonable people see what is happening to America and the ME and are voicing their disapproval. Is that not a demonstration of morality?

    It seems to me that Jews in general have it pretty good in the US, many after been taken in as refugees. What will be the outcome for most of them in time after all this meddling by this evil, determined cabal? Will the tables turn and then become pretty ugly? Isn't that a repeat of the way things went in Germany?

    I'd hate to see it happen but given that the model exists and can be seem to be being repeated, defending the indefensible makes me think that people like yourself pose the bigger threat to Jews not those discussing here what is becoming ever more self evident to ever more people who actually care about America and world peace.

    “Kristol, Pearle, Abrams, Feith, Wurmser, Wolfowitz, Nuland, Kagan, the list goes on and on.”

    So that’s how you talk away the 100% responsibility of the US, from POTUS to Pentagon to every individual US-murderer and US-chaosmaker.

    It’s a shame.

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    "So that’s how you talk away the 100% responsibility from POTUS to Pentagon to every individual US-murderer and US-chaosmaker."

    Correct. The Israel-devoted plutocracy would not have succeeded if not the crowd of eager traitors. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condi, Clintons and such made good gesheft on betraying the interests of the US citizenry. See how easy it was to deface the US Constitution and to loot the US treasury for the US-made war on terror and the US-made heist by omnipotent financial sector.
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  80. tbraton says:
    @annamaria
    "I think these interventions are exactly what they seem, namely, that America foolishly was trying to spread its model of democracy around the world..."

    Never heard that the US has ever tried to "spread its model of democracy" to the kingdoms of Saudi Arabia and Qatar. This alone makes it clear the "democracy on the march" the US style has never been about democracy. Please reread a paragraph about Yinon and Wurmser. And do not forget to learn about PNAC.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    From your link:

    “According to Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya in a 2011 Global Research article, The Yinon Plan was a continuation of Britain’s colonial design in the Middle East:

    “[The Yinon plan] is an Israeli strategic plan to ensure Israeli regional superiority. It insists and stipulates that Israel must reconfigure its geo-political environment through the balkanization of the surrounding Arab states into smaller and weaker states.

    Israeli strategists viewed Iraq as their biggest strategic challenge from an Arab state. This is why Iraq was outlined as the centerpiece to the balkanization of the Middle East and the Arab World. In Iraq, on the basis of the concepts of the Yinon Plan, Israeli strategists have called for the division of Iraq into a Kurdish state and two Arab states, one for Shiite Muslims and the other for Sunni Muslims. The first step towards establishing this was a war between Iraq and Iran, which the Yinon Plan discusses. . . .”

    As I recall, VP Joe Biden once (and probably still does) promoted a plan to divide Iraq into three parts: Kurdistan in the north, Sunni area in the west, and Shia area in the east. I think he got the idea from Peter Galbraith, the son of the late and famously liberal Harvard “economics” professor John Kenneth Galbraith, who together with Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. helped create the liberal organization Americans for Democratic Action (“ADA”), a moving force in the days of John F. Kennedy, who they both served as advisers (JKG became Ambassador to India, as I recall). Peter Galbraith became a well paid adviser to the Kurds and made a lot of money through financial arrangements connected to oil. (The Galbraith story brings to mind that of the Christian missionaries to Hawaii “who came to do good and did very well indeed” as they became the largest landowners on the islands.) There are many complicated strands at work in this area, and it is hard to trace their relationship to each other. But underlying it all appears to be a master plan.

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  81. geokat62 says:
    @Vapid Budapesht
    First a confession: I didn't read the whole article. After reading the first couple of paragraphs I thought, 'I see where this is going. All wars are cooked up by the US military-industrial complex for profit and serves America's desire to build an empire'.

    I apologize. I should have read more and seen it was all about the Jews, not the Yanks. That's why I came across as being a bit dense.

    Having admitted that I will spoil it again by saying I just don't buy the idea being peddled here that the Neocon idea of nation building was dreamt up for the benefit of Israel. Even if Bush's administration was packed to the rafters with Jews, that is merely a consequence of Ashkenazi Jews having a higher average IQ than others and thus suited to positions of power. I have actually read a book by Nathan Sharansky (Fear no Evil) and he seemed quite reasonable to me. He would have every right to hate the Soviets but I'm not sure that all Jews do.

    The doctrine of nation building was supported by many gentiles, including Douglas Murray, one of my favourite political commentators, and Christopher Hitchens. The latter was no fan of Israel. I think they and the Neocons got it wrong. It's just that deposing Saddam seemed like a good idea at the time. He had been playing cat and mouse with the West for too long and needed to be taught a lesson and his people freed. The freeing of the Kurds in Northern Iraq a decade earlier had gone so well so why not repeat it?

    Just as we made a mistake in the 1960's in believing that black people were the same as us and would quickly close the achievement gap if given the chance, so we made the same mistake in the 2000's by thinking we could bring civilisation to a bunch of people who were genetically, culturally, religiously and historically different from us.

    Joe Webb, 'the Japanese' is plural and is not the same as saying 'the Jew', singular. It's the same as 'the Chinaman' or the Chinese.

    Having admitted that I will spoil it again by saying I just don’t buy the idea being peddled here that the Neocon idea of nation building was dreamt up for the benefit of Israel.

    Another one of my previous comments I managed to dig up:

    Mearsheimer and Walt in Ch 8 of their book The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy provide the incriminating evidence that the Iraq war was pushed by the Lobby to enhance Israel’s security:

    Israel’s enthusiasm for war eventually led some of its allies in America to tell Israeli officials to damp down their hawkish rhetoric, lest the war look like it was being fought for Israel. In the fall of 2002, for example, a group of American political consultants known as the Israel Project circulated a six-page memorandum to key Israelis and pro-Israel leaders in the United States. The memo was titled “Talking about Iraq” and was intended as a guide for public statements about the war. “If your goal is regime change, you must be much more careful with your language because of the potential backlash. You do not want Americans to believe that the war on Iraq is being waged to protect Israel rather than to protect America.” http://mailstar.net/iraq-war.html

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    Merry Christmas, Geo.
    I've got to hand it to you, you'll talk to anybody! (I'd rather not exchange electrons. Ewwww...) And it seems like there's a big surge of bile for the holidays, so thanks (to you and others) for keeping up the rebuttals.
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  82. annamaria says:
    @From The Hague
    "Kristol, Pearle, Abrams, Feith, Wurmser, Wolfowitz, Nuland, Kagan, the list goes on and on."

    So that's how you talk away the 100% responsibility of the US, from POTUS to Pentagon to every individual US-murderer and US-chaosmaker.

    It's a shame.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEOMchDJOus&feature=youtu.be

    “So that’s how you talk away the 100% responsibility from POTUS to Pentagon to every individual US-murderer and US-chaosmaker.”

    Correct. The Israel-devoted plutocracy would not have succeeded if not the crowd of eager traitors. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condi, Clintons and such made good gesheft on betraying the interests of the US citizenry. See how easy it was to deface the US Constitution and to loot the US treasury for the US-made war on terror and the US-made heist by omnipotent financial sector.

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  83. Merry Christmas from Kim Jong-un

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    'manufacturing consent' from this type of propaganda.

    If you believe this nonsense, you gotta problem.

    Joe Webb
    , @Kiza
    I never thought that there would be more truth in something coming out of North Korea then what gets served in the Western MSM. It is often over-the-top, there is just too much material and there are several weak parts in this video. But the most brilliant moment is when the video shows Bush and Blair and says: These two degenerates declared a false 'War on Terror'. At another moment "democracy is just a slogan" says this video definitely worth watching
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  84. Clyde says:
    @Sherman
    You idiot.

    Sanchez is claiming the U.S. supported Iran in the 1980s.

    I am not arguing about Israel's support for Iran in the 1980s. Nobody disputes this.

    Right about that ol SolontoCroesus windbag . He has hours of free time to type his Likudnik drivel.

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  85. Clyde says:
    @Karl
    did you know that a Pakistani Army General made millions upon millions of dollars, mercenary-ing himself out to King Hussein to do the dirty work during Black September? "Shield of the Sunnis" indeed!

    Where is your family from - Islamabad, or Lahore? Lahore has prettier girls. The Emiratis and the Saudis pay inflated prices to fuck them. Too bad, as you can get a full-time college-girl mistress for about $150 /month in Karachi. And your wife in Clifton will pretend she doesn't know about it, as long as her credit-cards for shopping at Dolmen Mall continue to be accepted by the swipe-machines..

    Too bad neither of those Punjabi cities has a police force like the Sindh Rangers.

    Jews have gotten around almost as much as Filipinos do. However, there never was a SIGNIFICANT community in Pakistan. Never even produced an IDF Colonel, much less any Generals.

    Lulz! I hope that the only Zio-Mind Rays bouncing off Rehamats skull in 2016 are from a tanning bed in the Clifton NJ Mall

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  86. joe webb says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUu7DhL86Js

    Merry Christmas from Kim Jong-un

    ‘manufacturing consent’ from this type of propaganda.

    If you believe this nonsense, you gotta problem.

    Joe Webb

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  87. Clyde says:
    @Art
    "but 15 millions Jews cannot control the world. "

    Less then 100 Jew bankers do control the Western world.

    When you are in Tel-Aviv how do you like your felafel?

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  88. Clyde says:
    @Vapid Budapesht
    First a confession: I didn't read the whole article. After reading the first couple of paragraphs I thought, 'I see where this is going. All wars are cooked up by the US military-industrial complex for profit and serves America's desire to build an empire'.

    I apologize. I should have read more and seen it was all about the Jews, not the Yanks. That's why I came across as being a bit dense.

    Having admitted that I will spoil it again by saying I just don't buy the idea being peddled here that the Neocon idea of nation building was dreamt up for the benefit of Israel. Even if Bush's administration was packed to the rafters with Jews, that is merely a consequence of Ashkenazi Jews having a higher average IQ than others and thus suited to positions of power. I have actually read a book by Nathan Sharansky (Fear no Evil) and he seemed quite reasonable to me. He would have every right to hate the Soviets but I'm not sure that all Jews do.

    The doctrine of nation building was supported by many gentiles, including Douglas Murray, one of my favourite political commentators, and Christopher Hitchens. The latter was no fan of Israel. I think they and the Neocons got it wrong. It's just that deposing Saddam seemed like a good idea at the time. He had been playing cat and mouse with the West for too long and needed to be taught a lesson and his people freed. The freeing of the Kurds in Northern Iraq a decade earlier had gone so well so why not repeat it?

    Just as we made a mistake in the 1960's in believing that black people were the same as us and would quickly close the achievement gap if given the chance, so we made the same mistake in the 2000's by thinking we could bring civilisation to a bunch of people who were genetically, culturally, religiously and historically different from us.

    Joe Webb, 'the Japanese' is plural and is not the same as saying 'the Jew', singular. It's the same as 'the Chinaman' or the Chinese.

    Just as we made a mistake in the 1960′s in believing that black people were the same as us and would quickly close the achievement gap if given the chance, so we made the same mistake in the 2000′s by thinking we could bring civilisation to a bunch of people who were genetically, culturally, religiously and historically different from us.

    Correct on both accounts. The later being offing Saddam Hussein and “bringing civilization” to Iraq. Just think of the Iraq war as a multi-trillion dollar affirmative action program gone horribly wrong.

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  89. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    Having admitted that I will spoil it again by saying I just don’t buy the idea being peddled here that the Neocon idea of nation building was dreamt up for the benefit of Israel.
     
    Another one of my previous comments I managed to dig up:

    Mearsheimer and Walt in Ch 8 of their book The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy provide the incriminating evidence that the Iraq war was pushed by the Lobby to enhance Israel’s security:

    Israel’s enthusiasm for war eventually led some of its allies in America to tell Israeli officials to damp down their hawkish rhetoric, lest the war look like it was being fought for Israel. In the fall of 2002, for example, a group of American political consultants known as the Israel Project circulated a six-page memorandum to key Israelis and pro-Israel leaders in the United States. The memo was titled “Talking about Iraq” and was intended as a guide for public statements about the war. “If your goal is regime change, you must be much more careful with your language because of the potential backlash. You do not want Americans to believe that the war on Iraq is being waged to protect Israel rather than to protect America.” http://mailstar.net/iraq-war.html
     

    Merry Christmas, Geo.
    I’ve got to hand it to you, you’ll talk to anybody! (I’d rather not exchange electrons. Ewwww…) And it seems like there’s a big surge of bile for the holidays, so thanks (to you and others) for keeping up the rebuttals.

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    Merry Christmas, Robin.

    No rest for the weary, I suppose. I noticed the spike as well... the MFA must have an endless supply of reinforcements. No bother, we'll just keep shooting them down, one by one.
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  90. Ger says:
    @Rurik

    A nationally-conscious Arab world will never fully accept the Occupation.
     
    exact same thing is being done in the West as the immigrants flood in

    when all Western nations are nothing but hodgepodges of competing ethnicities and cultures, no one will be able to object to the fact that they're all dominated by the tribe

    by now it's pretty obvious that what this article is talking about has indeed been going on not just in the Levant but Europe too. Why else would they want France to be inundated by Muslims unless it's to be able to dominate and control her, as her streets are roiled by the orchestrated internal strife.

    Making everyone's lives miserable and hopeless kills two birds with one stone. They get the satisfaction of seeing all the anti-Semites suffer + they're able to loot them dry and steal the resources as they lord it over them from their perches at the banks and capital buildings. Such a deal!

    Arab, Persian, European, Scandinavian, Russian....

    'All will bow down to the financial power of Rothschild's Fed'

    It isn't just in the interests of the Muslim countries to rally against this Fiend, it's also in the interests of the Western countries whose militaries and economies are being used as weapons to destroy not just Muslim countries, but their own countries simultaneously.

    Just look at England today and what they've done to her. From a great and illustrious power to a pathetic sniveling joke on the world's stage in the span of a couple of generations. And all because of wars. War, and more wars. The mother's milk to Rothschild and his Zionist fiends. Must have wars!

    What I'd like to see is for us all; Arab, Persian, Sunni, Shiite, European, Scandinavian, Russian, Ukrainian, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu and all the rest realize we have a common enemy, that that enemy is orchestrated wars. It's the Fiend who arms and funds ISIS. It's the Fiend who foments strife in Donbass. It's the Fiend. John McCain and Lindsey Graham are the true enemies of us all. We all need to rally and defeat those minions of the Fiend. Hillary and Erdogan and all the other eager puppets and crooked scumbags. They are the common enemy who's waging war on us all.

    It isn't Shiites and Sunnis, it's the Fiend who's drilling for oil in the Golan who is behind it all.

    We need to stop aiming our AKs at each other and start aiming them at our corrupt leaders in the service of the Fiend. Why should a poor Turk be shooting at a poor Kurd when he could be shooting at Erdogan? Why should a Russian be shooting at another Russian or Ukrainian be shooting at another Ukrainian when they could all be shooting at John McCain or Victoria Nuland the next time they show up with another batch of weapons and boxes of cash.

    (I'm just musing academically, obviously I'm not actually advocating shooting anyone ; )

    But you get my point.

    The world has a common enemy. I call it the Fiend but basically it's Zionism run amok and all the corrupt politicians willing to lick that fetid hand.

    Erdogan, Yatz, The House of Saud, Merkel, Obama, Hollande, and the controlled media. It's Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. It's Bill O'Rielly and Noam Chomsky and Rupert Murdoch. James Woolsey and John Hagee and Bibi. The pope in on the side of war by his deafening silence in condemnation of it.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/09/why-hasnt-the-pope-talked-to-obama-about-the-u-s-wars-that-caused-the-immigration-crisis-3218784.html

    It's all of us peaceful citizens of the world (Ukrainians, Russians, Sunnis, Shiites, Palestinians, Christians, righteous Jews, the people of Europe and Syria...) against them- the war fiends. The closest thing we have to a leader is Putin in Russia, and now Le Pen in France, and Trump here in the states.

    God speed to us all!

    My thoughts exactly, God bless you.

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  91. @annamaria
    "I think these interventions are exactly what they seem, namely, that America foolishly was trying to spread its model of democracy around the world..."

    Never heard that the US has ever tried to "spread its model of democracy" to the kingdoms of Saudi Arabia and Qatar. This alone makes it clear the "democracy on the march" the US style has never been about democracy. Please reread a paragraph about Yinon and Wurmser. And do not forget to learn about PNAC.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    Hi Annamarina,

    Your argument that America can’t really be that bothered about spreading democracy since it isn’t attempting to do so in Saudi Arabia or Qatar doesn’t hold water. Not being a democracy is not enough to warrant invading you. Not being a democracy, using your country as an open prison, trying to acquire nuclear weapons, not cooperating with weapons inspectors, using chemical weapons against your own minorities and supporting terrorists is enough, not for the UN to agree to do much but enough to make decent countries invade you.

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    " Not being a democracy, using your country as an open prison, (trying to acquire) acquiring nuclear weapons, not cooperating with weapons inspectors, using chemical weapons against your own minorities and supporting terrorists is enough, not for the UN to agree to do much but enough to make decent countries invade you."

    But we haven't invaded Israhell.....
    , @annamaria
    "Not being a democracy, using your country as an open prison, trying to acquire nuclear weapons, not cooperating with weapons inspectors, using chemical weapons against your own minorities and supporting terrorists is enough..."

    Where did we hear this argument before? - From Mr. Cheney and his Israel-first retinue, when they were spreading the lies about Iraq. At that time Iraq was a functioning state that provided education and security to her citizens. Then the purists began informing the world about the impending "mushroom cloud," chemical weapons (how did they know? - the receipts), and the non-existent (then) terrorists in Iraq. There was no Al Qaida BEFORE the US-installed administration demolished what was left of the formerly functioning state.

    "...not cooperating with weapons inspectors" - Do you mean a nuclaer-armed Israel?
    "...using chemical weapons?" - Is that about Turkey or about the depleted uranium spread by the democracy-spreading US over Fallujah? Don't you like seeing the horribly-deformed babies, the victims of the "purifying" actions in the Middle East by the Christian nation of the US?
    "supporting terrorists" - Do you mean Turkey (a member of NATO) or Saudis and Qatari (both are the US best friends), which all support and provide for ISIS? Or you meant Israel and her med. services for the ISIS "freedom fighters?"
    "Not being a democracy..." - Would not it be wonderful if the US begin a process of transition to democracy (away from the current plutocracy, see Princeton study) and of restoration of the US Constitution? And charging with treason Messrs. Yoo and Baybee... That would be really great.
    , @L.K
    What a silly person you are, 'Vapid Budapesht'.
    You think Zusas ILLEGAL invasion of Iraq was a war for oil???
    Zusa produces about half of the oil it uses and most of the rest comes from Canada and Latin America. The Iraq war was a war for Israel.

    Zusa is no democracy. Princeton Study: U.S. No Longer An Actual Democracy
    "A new study from Princeton spells bad news for American democracy—namely, that it no longer exists.Asking "[w]ho really rules?" researchers Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page argue that over the past few decades America's political system has slowly transformed from a democracy into an oligarchy, where wealthy elites wield most power.

    Using data drawn from over 1,800 different policy initiatives from 1981 to 2002, the two conclude that rich, well-connected individuals on the political scene now steer the direction of the country, regardless of or even against the will of the majority of voters.

    Zusa does not give a damn about democracy, u fool.

    MOST of the things u claimed about the Saddam regime as justification for ILLEGALY invading Iraq are 100% FALSE or just simply IDIOTIC.

    As for using chemical weapons, Washington not only turned a blind-eye to the Saddam regime’s repeated use of chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers and civilians and Iraq’s Kurdish minority, but the US also helped Iraq develop its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs.
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  92. krollchem says:
    @From The Hague
    Mr. Sanchez and now also a lot of posters here just endless complain that, although the US is doing a lot of bad things all over the world, they do this to please or on order of jews (or/and Israel) and that’s why in the first place jews are to blame.
    Obscure reasoning.
    Yankee, go home.

    Zionism was dominant in America even in 1967 when Israel attacked the US Liberty killing 34 US sailors and wounding another 171. You should remember that President Johnson forbid the US Navy from counter-attacking the Israeli navy and air force to protect these US soldiers. Yes the Captain eventually received the Medal of Honor from the US Congress but President Johnson refused to personally convey this award so as not to offend the Israelis.

    The survivors who I have spoken to have been abandoned by the Zionist US political leadership. They were even threatened if they spoke of the incident. As a US veteran I cannot forgive this continuing conspiracy. I also do not understand why America has given hundreds of billions to Israel as well as providing then with weapons grade uranium.

    The American political class has been bought and paid for by radical Zionist Jews, Salafist Muslims, and Neo-Nazis in Ukraine and Central and South America. I must admit that such profane relationships provide rich rewards to the US leaders and further their globalistic ideology. Ultimately, Americans will either rebel or become serfs to the “Masters of the Universe”.

    I suggest you read more of Mr Sanchez before you discard his writings, you may yet learn something.

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    Here we go again.
    Are you stating that president Johnson was a puppet?
    Or are you stating that he got rich rewards?

    Oh we poor US-citizens, we are just puppets of the jews.
    Besides that, we cannot be independent, because we like those rich rewards too much.
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  93. RobinG says:
    @Vapid Budapesht
    Hi Annamarina,

    Your argument that America can't really be that bothered about spreading democracy since it isn't attempting to do so in Saudi Arabia or Qatar doesn't hold water. Not being a democracy is not enough to warrant invading you. Not being a democracy, using your country as an open prison, trying to acquire nuclear weapons, not cooperating with weapons inspectors, using chemical weapons against your own minorities and supporting terrorists is enough, not for the UN to agree to do much but enough to make decent countries invade you.

    ” Not being a democracy, using your country as an open prison, (trying to acquire) acquiring nuclear weapons, not cooperating with weapons inspectors, using chemical weapons against your own minorities and supporting terrorists is enough, not for the UN to agree to do much but enough to make decent countries invade you.”

    But we haven’t invaded Israhell…..

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    That's because Israel has a functioning democracy, isn't like an open prison and doesn't use chemical weapons against its own minorities. Yes, it probably has nuclear weapons, as do the USA, Russia, China, Britain, France, India, Pakistan and probably North Korea. I would say that without nuclear weapons Israel would have been destroyed by its noisy neighbours long ago.

    Robin, drawing parallels between Iraq and Israel is like drawing parallels between Britain and North Korea. Yes, both have nuclear weapons. So what?

    So let me guess; Netanyahu is like Hitler and Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is like the Nazis' treatment of the Jews. Don't you think such equivalences are sloppy and lazy?

    , @geokat62
    Hi, Robin. Looks like you will talk to anyone, as well.

    btw - I'm glad to see that Walter Jones has recently become a cosponsor of 4108. That brings the number of cosponsors to 3.

    Just curious about the process. Is there a formal deadline or can a proposed bill stay on the books indefinitely? Are you still confident that this bill has a chance of making it to the floor of the House... or are you prepared to put on your marching shoes?
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  94. annamaria says:
    @Vapid Budapesht
    Hi Annamarina,

    Your argument that America can't really be that bothered about spreading democracy since it isn't attempting to do so in Saudi Arabia or Qatar doesn't hold water. Not being a democracy is not enough to warrant invading you. Not being a democracy, using your country as an open prison, trying to acquire nuclear weapons, not cooperating with weapons inspectors, using chemical weapons against your own minorities and supporting terrorists is enough, not for the UN to agree to do much but enough to make decent countries invade you.

    “Not being a democracy, using your country as an open prison, trying to acquire nuclear weapons, not cooperating with weapons inspectors, using chemical weapons against your own minorities and supporting terrorists is enough…”

    Where did we hear this argument before? – From Mr. Cheney and his Israel-first retinue, when they were spreading the lies about Iraq. At that time Iraq was a functioning state that provided education and security to her citizens. Then the purists began informing the world about the impending “mushroom cloud,” chemical weapons (how did they know? – the receipts), and the non-existent (then) terrorists in Iraq. There was no Al Qaida BEFORE the US-installed administration demolished what was left of the formerly functioning state.

    “…not cooperating with weapons inspectors” – Do you mean a nuclaer-armed Israel?
    “…using chemical weapons?” – Is that about Turkey or about the depleted uranium spread by the democracy-spreading US over Fallujah? Don’t you like seeing the horribly-deformed babies, the victims of the “purifying” actions in the Middle East by the Christian nation of the US?
    “supporting terrorists” – Do you mean Turkey (a member of NATO) or Saudis and Qatari (both are the US best friends), which all support and provide for ISIS? Or you meant Israel and her med. services for the ISIS “freedom fighters?”
    “Not being a democracy…” – Would not it be wonderful if the US begin a process of transition to democracy (away from the current plutocracy, see Princeton study) and of restoration of the US Constitution? And charging with treason Messrs. Yoo and Baybee… That would be really great.

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    Where did we hear this argument before? – From Mr. Cheney and his Israel-first retinue, when they were spreading the lies about Iraq.

    Where you heard an argument before is neither here nor there, just whether it is valid or not. Er, how do you know that they were lies. Do you mean you disagree with them so they must be lies?

    At that time Iraq was a functioning state that provided education and security to her citizens.

    It also had a large proportion of its populace living in exile and the rest were cowed. Please read 'Republic of Fear' by Kanan Makiya. Mussolini made the trains run on time and Hitler reduced unemployment. So what?

    Then the purists began informing the world about the impending “mushroom cloud,” chemical weapons (how did they know? – the receipts), and the non-existent (then) terrorists in Iraq.

    How do you know there were no terrorists? And no one was more surprised that Iraq didn't have a nuclear program than Saddam himself. Please read 'The Bomb in My Garden' by Mahdi Obeidi.

    There was no Al Qaida BEFORE the US-installed administration demolished what was left of the formerly functioning state.

    If there was no Al Qaida before the US invaded Iraq, who destroyed the Twin Towers? Or do you mean Al Qaida wasn't in Iraq? If so, how do you know?

    “…not cooperating with weapons inspectors” – Do you mean a nuclaer-armed Israel?

    No, I meant Iraq.

    “…using chemical weapons?” – Is that about Turkey or about the depleted uranium spread by the democracy-spreading US over Fallujah?

    No, it's about the Marsh Arabs.

    Don’t you like seeing the horribly-deformed babies, the victims of the “purifying” actions in the Middle East by the Christian nation of the US?

    No, do you?

    “supporting terrorists” – Do you mean Turkey (a member of NATO) or Saudis and Qatari (both are the US best friends), which all support and provide for ISIS? Or you meant Israel and her med. services for the ISIS “freedom fighters?”

    No, I meant Iraq.

    “Not being a democracy…” – Would not it be wonderful if the US begin a process of transition to democracy (away from the current plutocracy, see Princeton study) and of restoration of the US Constitution?

    Yes, it would be nice (see my previous comment to...someone)

    And charging with treason Messrs. Yoo and Baybee… That would be really great.

    Sorry, I have no idea who Yoo and Baybee are.
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  95. Clyde says:
    @Rurik

    A nationally-conscious Arab world will never fully accept the Occupation.
     
    exact same thing is being done in the West as the immigrants flood in

    when all Western nations are nothing but hodgepodges of competing ethnicities and cultures, no one will be able to object to the fact that they're all dominated by the tribe

    by now it's pretty obvious that what this article is talking about has indeed been going on not just in the Levant but Europe too. Why else would they want France to be inundated by Muslims unless it's to be able to dominate and control her, as her streets are roiled by the orchestrated internal strife.

    Making everyone's lives miserable and hopeless kills two birds with one stone. They get the satisfaction of seeing all the anti-Semites suffer + they're able to loot them dry and steal the resources as they lord it over them from their perches at the banks and capital buildings. Such a deal!

    Arab, Persian, European, Scandinavian, Russian....

    'All will bow down to the financial power of Rothschild's Fed'

    It isn't just in the interests of the Muslim countries to rally against this Fiend, it's also in the interests of the Western countries whose militaries and economies are being used as weapons to destroy not just Muslim countries, but their own countries simultaneously.

    Just look at England today and what they've done to her. From a great and illustrious power to a pathetic sniveling joke on the world's stage in the span of a couple of generations. And all because of wars. War, and more wars. The mother's milk to Rothschild and his Zionist fiends. Must have wars!

    What I'd like to see is for us all; Arab, Persian, Sunni, Shiite, European, Scandinavian, Russian, Ukrainian, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu and all the rest realize we have a common enemy, that that enemy is orchestrated wars. It's the Fiend who arms and funds ISIS. It's the Fiend who foments strife in Donbass. It's the Fiend. John McCain and Lindsey Graham are the true enemies of us all. We all need to rally and defeat those minions of the Fiend. Hillary and Erdogan and all the other eager puppets and crooked scumbags. They are the common enemy who's waging war on us all.

    It isn't Shiites and Sunnis, it's the Fiend who's drilling for oil in the Golan who is behind it all.

    We need to stop aiming our AKs at each other and start aiming them at our corrupt leaders in the service of the Fiend. Why should a poor Turk be shooting at a poor Kurd when he could be shooting at Erdogan? Why should a Russian be shooting at another Russian or Ukrainian be shooting at another Ukrainian when they could all be shooting at John McCain or Victoria Nuland the next time they show up with another batch of weapons and boxes of cash.

    (I'm just musing academically, obviously I'm not actually advocating shooting anyone ; )

    But you get my point.

    The world has a common enemy. I call it the Fiend but basically it's Zionism run amok and all the corrupt politicians willing to lick that fetid hand.

    Erdogan, Yatz, The House of Saud, Merkel, Obama, Hollande, and the controlled media. It's Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. It's Bill O'Rielly and Noam Chomsky and Rupert Murdoch. James Woolsey and John Hagee and Bibi. The pope in on the side of war by his deafening silence in condemnation of it.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/09/why-hasnt-the-pope-talked-to-obama-about-the-u-s-wars-that-caused-the-immigration-crisis-3218784.html

    It's all of us peaceful citizens of the world (Ukrainians, Russians, Sunnis, Shiites, Palestinians, Christians, righteous Jews, the people of Europe and Syria...) against them- the war fiends. The closest thing we have to a leader is Putin in Russia, and now Le Pen in France, and Trump here in the states.

    God speed to us all!

    You already know that you and me and Art and Anna Maire coochiecoo are anti-Zio to the hilt! I too am anti-war and and anti-war party all the way except when this means Iran nuking the Judaist Likudnik occupiers in Tel Aviv

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  96. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG
    Merry Christmas, Geo.
    I've got to hand it to you, you'll talk to anybody! (I'd rather not exchange electrons. Ewwww...) And it seems like there's a big surge of bile for the holidays, so thanks (to you and others) for keeping up the rebuttals.

    Merry Christmas, Robin.

    No rest for the weary, I suppose. I noticed the spike as well… the MFA must have an endless supply of reinforcements. No bother, we’ll just keep shooting them down, one by one.

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  97. @RobinG
    " Not being a democracy, using your country as an open prison, (trying to acquire) acquiring nuclear weapons, not cooperating with weapons inspectors, using chemical weapons against your own minorities and supporting terrorists is enough, not for the UN to agree to do much but enough to make decent countries invade you."

    But we haven't invaded Israhell.....

    That’s because Israel has a functioning democracy, isn’t like an open prison and doesn’t use chemical weapons against its own minorities. Yes, it probably has nuclear weapons, as do the USA, Russia, China, Britain, France, India, Pakistan and probably North Korea. I would say that without nuclear weapons Israel would have been destroyed by its noisy neighbours long ago.

    Robin, drawing parallels between Iraq and Israel is like drawing parallels between Britain and North Korea. Yes, both have nuclear weapons. So what?

    So let me guess; Netanyahu is like Hitler and Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians is like the Nazis’ treatment of the Jews. Don’t you think such equivalences are sloppy and lazy?

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    VAPID - You sure picked the right pseudonym!

    If Israel weren't founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing and constituted as an expansionist racist project, none of its neighbors would have minded.

    “…not cooperating with weapons inspectors” – Not admitting a nuclear-armed Israel? Non signer of NPT

    “…using chemical weapons?” – Like white phosphorus in Gaza (and who knows what else in their weapons test lab.

    “supporting terrorists” – Support for MEK, plus lobbying to have MEK taken off US terrorist list after MEK complicity in manufacturing Iran nuke weapons research. Direct support of ISIS “freedom fighters?”

    BEING TERRORISTS - Mossad assassinations galore (of Palestinians and Iranians).

    “Not being a democracy…” Of course, you have your own definition of democracy.
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  98. L.K says:
    @Vapid Budapesht
    Hi Annamarina,

    Your argument that America can't really be that bothered about spreading democracy since it isn't attempting to do so in Saudi Arabia or Qatar doesn't hold water. Not being a democracy is not enough to warrant invading you. Not being a democracy, using your country as an open prison, trying to acquire nuclear weapons, not cooperating with weapons inspectors, using chemical weapons against your own minorities and supporting terrorists is enough, not for the UN to agree to do much but enough to make decent countries invade you.

    What a silly person you are, ‘Vapid Budapesht’.
    You think Zusas ILLEGAL invasion of Iraq was a war for oil???
    Zusa produces about half of the oil it uses and most of the rest comes from Canada and Latin America. The Iraq war was a war for Israel.

    Zusa is no democracy. Princeton Study: U.S. No Longer An Actual Democracy
    “A new study from Princeton spells bad news for American democracy—namely, that it no longer exists.Asking “[w]ho really rules?” researchers Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page argue that over the past few decades America’s political system has slowly transformed from a democracy into an oligarchy, where wealthy elites wield most power.

    Using data drawn from over 1,800 different policy initiatives from 1981 to 2002, the two conclude that rich, well-connected individuals on the political scene now steer the direction of the country, regardless of or even against the will of the majority of voters.

    Zusa does not give a damn about democracy, u fool.

    MOST of the things u claimed about the Saddam regime as justification for ILLEGALY invading Iraq are 100% FALSE or just simply IDIOTIC.

    As for using chemical weapons, Washington not only turned a blind-eye to the Saddam regime’s repeated use of chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers and civilians and Iraq’s Kurdish minority, but the US also helped Iraq develop its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs.

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  99. RobinG says:
    @Vapid Budapesht
    That's because Israel has a functioning democracy, isn't like an open prison and doesn't use chemical weapons against its own minorities. Yes, it probably has nuclear weapons, as do the USA, Russia, China, Britain, France, India, Pakistan and probably North Korea. I would say that without nuclear weapons Israel would have been destroyed by its noisy neighbours long ago.

    Robin, drawing parallels between Iraq and Israel is like drawing parallels between Britain and North Korea. Yes, both have nuclear weapons. So what?

    So let me guess; Netanyahu is like Hitler and Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is like the Nazis' treatment of the Jews. Don't you think such equivalences are sloppy and lazy?

    VAPID – You sure picked the right pseudonym!

    If Israel weren’t founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing and constituted as an expansionist racist project, none of its neighbors would have minded.

    “…not cooperating with weapons inspectors” – Not admitting a nuclear-armed Israel? Non signer of NPT

    “…using chemical weapons?” – Like white phosphorus in Gaza (and who knows what else in their weapons test lab.

    “supporting terrorists” – Support for MEK, plus lobbying to have MEK taken off US terrorist list after MEK complicity in manufacturing Iran nuke weapons research. Direct support of ISIS “freedom fighters?”

    BEING TERRORISTS – Mossad assassinations galore (of Palestinians and Iranians).

    “Not being a democracy…” Of course, you have your own definition of democracy.

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    If Israel weren’t founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing and constituted as an expansionist racist project, none of its neighbors would have minded.

    The Muslims hated the Jews long before Israel was formed so don't give me that shit. Also if Israel wished to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians they could do so tomorrow. Clearly ethnic cleansing is not on their mind. 20% of the Israeli population is Arabic. Why haven't they 'ethnically cleansed' them?

    I have a policy of not replying once my opponent's claims become too divorced from reality so I'll stop here.
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  100. “You think Zusas ILLEGAL invasion of Iraq was a war for oil???”

    No, I don’t. I said it is much cheaper to simply buy the oil than mount a huge military operation to steal it. Please read what I wrote. Also once you start calling people fools, silly and idiotic you have to be very careful not to make any mistakes yourself. Do you know how juvenile you come across as? Would you say the same if you were face to face with me?

    Zusa is no democracy.

    I have no idea what ‘zusas’ is. I have consulted my list of countries and zusas is not on it. Would you like to limit your comments to countries we can both agree upon?

    Zusa is no democracy.

    Democracy is a matter of degree, regardless from where some study emanates. Do I think that all presidents since Coolidge (with the exception of Reagan) have been expanding the role of government and shrinking the freedom of the citizenry? Yes, I do. Do I think this puts the USA on the same footing as Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries? No, I don’t. A sense of proportion is called for in everything. Please try to rein in your simplistic equivalences.

    Zusa does not give a damn about democracy, u fool.

    Treat me with a bit of respect and I might consider replying further.

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    Not too many here respect Zio-Trolls.

    "Q: but I am a hasbarachnik and I need to get you to stop using that expression!!
    A: give it up and find an easier target for your efforts. You will still get paid." The Saker
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  101. @RobinG
    VAPID - You sure picked the right pseudonym!

    If Israel weren't founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing and constituted as an expansionist racist project, none of its neighbors would have minded.

    “…not cooperating with weapons inspectors” – Not admitting a nuclear-armed Israel? Non signer of NPT

    “…using chemical weapons?” – Like white phosphorus in Gaza (and who knows what else in their weapons test lab.

    “supporting terrorists” – Support for MEK, plus lobbying to have MEK taken off US terrorist list after MEK complicity in manufacturing Iran nuke weapons research. Direct support of ISIS “freedom fighters?”

    BEING TERRORISTS - Mossad assassinations galore (of Palestinians and Iranians).

    “Not being a democracy…” Of course, you have your own definition of democracy.

    If Israel weren’t founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing and constituted as an expansionist racist project, none of its neighbors would have minded.

    The Muslims hated the Jews long before Israel was formed so don’t give me that shit. Also if Israel wished to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians they could do so tomorrow. Clearly ethnic cleansing is not on their mind. 20% of the Israeli population is Arabic. Why haven’t they ‘ethnically cleansed’ them?

    I have a policy of not replying once my opponent’s claims become too divorced from reality so I’ll stop here.

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    "...I’ll stop here."

    That's a relief. But I notice you didn't deny that
    ISRAEL was founded on TERRORISM and ETHNIC CLEANSING and constituted as an EXPANSIONIST RACIST PROJECT.</b
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  102. @annamaria
    "Not being a democracy, using your country as an open prison, trying to acquire nuclear weapons, not cooperating with weapons inspectors, using chemical weapons against your own minorities and supporting terrorists is enough..."

    Where did we hear this argument before? - From Mr. Cheney and his Israel-first retinue, when they were spreading the lies about Iraq. At that time Iraq was a functioning state that provided education and security to her citizens. Then the purists began informing the world about the impending "mushroom cloud," chemical weapons (how did they know? - the receipts), and the non-existent (then) terrorists in Iraq. There was no Al Qaida BEFORE the US-installed administration demolished what was left of the formerly functioning state.

    "...not cooperating with weapons inspectors" - Do you mean a nuclaer-armed Israel?
    "...using chemical weapons?" - Is that about Turkey or about the depleted uranium spread by the democracy-spreading US over Fallujah? Don't you like seeing the horribly-deformed babies, the victims of the "purifying" actions in the Middle East by the Christian nation of the US?
    "supporting terrorists" - Do you mean Turkey (a member of NATO) or Saudis and Qatari (both are the US best friends), which all support and provide for ISIS? Or you meant Israel and her med. services for the ISIS "freedom fighters?"
    "Not being a democracy..." - Would not it be wonderful if the US begin a process of transition to democracy (away from the current plutocracy, see Princeton study) and of restoration of the US Constitution? And charging with treason Messrs. Yoo and Baybee... That would be really great.

    Where did we hear this argument before? – From Mr. Cheney and his Israel-first retinue, when they were spreading the lies about Iraq.

    Where you heard an argument before is neither here nor there, just whether it is valid or not. Er, how do you know that they were lies. Do you mean you disagree with them so they must be lies?

    At that time Iraq was a functioning state that provided education and security to her citizens.

    It also had a large proportion of its populace living in exile and the rest were cowed. Please read ‘Republic of Fear’ by Kanan Makiya. Mussolini made the trains run on time and Hitler reduced unemployment. So what?

    Then the purists began informing the world about the impending “mushroom cloud,” chemical weapons (how did they know? – the receipts), and the non-existent (then) terrorists in Iraq.

    How do you know there were no terrorists? And no one was more surprised that Iraq didn’t have a nuclear program than Saddam himself. Please read ‘The Bomb in My Garden’ by Mahdi Obeidi.

    There was no Al Qaida BEFORE the US-installed administration demolished what was left of the formerly functioning state.

    If there was no Al Qaida before the US invaded Iraq, who destroyed the Twin Towers? Or do you mean Al Qaida wasn’t in Iraq? If so, how do you know?

    “…not cooperating with weapons inspectors” – Do you mean a nuclaer-armed Israel?

    No, I meant Iraq.

    “…using chemical weapons?” – Is that about Turkey or about the depleted uranium spread by the democracy-spreading US over Fallujah?

    No, it’s about the Marsh Arabs.

    Don’t you like seeing the horribly-deformed babies, the victims of the “purifying” actions in the Middle East by the Christian nation of the US?

    No, do you?

    “supporting terrorists” – Do you mean Turkey (a member of NATO) or Saudis and Qatari (both are the US best friends), which all support and provide for ISIS? Or you meant Israel and her med. services for the ISIS “freedom fighters?”

    No, I meant Iraq.

    “Not being a democracy…” – Would not it be wonderful if the US begin a process of transition to democracy (away from the current plutocracy, see Princeton study) and of restoration of the US Constitution?

    Yes, it would be nice (see my previous comment to…someone)

    And charging with treason Messrs. Yoo and Baybee… That would be really great.

    Sorry, I have no idea who Yoo and Baybee are.

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    "I have no idea who Yoo and Baybee are."

    A. The defacer of the US Constitution.

    "If there was no Al Qaida before the US invaded Iraq, who destroyed the Twin Towers? Or do you mean Al Qaida wasn’t in Iraq? If so, how do you know?"

    A. These questions were created by Mr. Cheney & Ziocons and were aired on numerous occasions by the presstituting MSM. But this is Unz Review. This is not FauxNews... On one hand you want to impress the readers with your command of the material by referencing certain books, and on the other hand you abuse the commenters on the Unz Review site by posting the aged and debunked propaganda. Mr. Wolfowitz , the main architect of the illegal Iraq war "admitted on television that linking these militants to al-Qaida was a ploy to rile up the rubes." In other words, the ziocons purposely lied to the US citizenry in order to make the ordinary Americans pay with treasure and limb for the Yinon/PNAC grandiose plans of reducing the functioning Middle Eastern states to ruins. The rapacious war profiteers of all stripes were happy to oblige.
    http://www.salon.com/2014/06/18/paul_wolfowitz_despicably_reprising_old_lies_on_iraq/
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  103. RobinG says:
    @Vapid Budapesht
    If Israel weren’t founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing and constituted as an expansionist racist project, none of its neighbors would have minded.

    The Muslims hated the Jews long before Israel was formed so don't give me that shit. Also if Israel wished to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians they could do so tomorrow. Clearly ethnic cleansing is not on their mind. 20% of the Israeli population is Arabic. Why haven't they 'ethnically cleansed' them?

    I have a policy of not replying once my opponent's claims become too divorced from reality so I'll stop here.

    “…I’ll stop here.”

    That’s a relief. But I notice you didn’t deny that
    ISRAEL was founded on TERRORISM and ETHNIC CLEANSING and constituted as an EXPANSIONIST RACIST PROJECT.</b

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  104. LK referred to you as a silly person and a fool. I think LK was just being polite and didn’t want to appear to pick on a person of such obviously poor intellectual capacity. Say thank you.

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  105. annamaria says:
    @Vapid Budapesht
    Where did we hear this argument before? – From Mr. Cheney and his Israel-first retinue, when they were spreading the lies about Iraq.

    Where you heard an argument before is neither here nor there, just whether it is valid or not. Er, how do you know that they were lies. Do you mean you disagree with them so they must be lies?

    At that time Iraq was a functioning state that provided education and security to her citizens.

    It also had a large proportion of its populace living in exile and the rest were cowed. Please read 'Republic of Fear' by Kanan Makiya. Mussolini made the trains run on time and Hitler reduced unemployment. So what?

    Then the purists began informing the world about the impending “mushroom cloud,” chemical weapons (how did they know? – the receipts), and the non-existent (then) terrorists in Iraq.

    How do you know there were no terrorists? And no one was more surprised that Iraq didn't have a nuclear program than Saddam himself. Please read 'The Bomb in My Garden' by Mahdi Obeidi.

    There was no Al Qaida BEFORE the US-installed administration demolished what was left of the formerly functioning state.

    If there was no Al Qaida before the US invaded Iraq, who destroyed the Twin Towers? Or do you mean Al Qaida wasn't in Iraq? If so, how do you know?

    “…not cooperating with weapons inspectors” – Do you mean a nuclaer-armed Israel?

    No, I meant Iraq.

    “…using chemical weapons?” – Is that about Turkey or about the depleted uranium spread by the democracy-spreading US over Fallujah?

    No, it's about the Marsh Arabs.

    Don’t you like seeing the horribly-deformed babies, the victims of the “purifying” actions in the Middle East by the Christian nation of the US?

    No, do you?

    “supporting terrorists” – Do you mean Turkey (a member of NATO) or Saudis and Qatari (both are the US best friends), which all support and provide for ISIS? Or you meant Israel and her med. services for the ISIS “freedom fighters?”

    No, I meant Iraq.

    “Not being a democracy…” – Would not it be wonderful if the US begin a process of transition to democracy (away from the current plutocracy, see Princeton study) and of restoration of the US Constitution?

    Yes, it would be nice (see my previous comment to...someone)

    And charging with treason Messrs. Yoo and Baybee… That would be really great.

    Sorry, I have no idea who Yoo and Baybee are.

    “I have no idea who Yoo and Baybee are.”

    A. The defacer of the US Constitution.

    “If there was no Al Qaida before the US invaded Iraq, who destroyed the Twin Towers? Or do you mean Al Qaida wasn’t in Iraq? If so, how do you know?”

    A. These questions were created by Mr. Cheney & Ziocons and were aired on numerous occasions by the presstituting MSM. But this is Unz Review. This is not FauxNews… On one hand you want to impress the readers with your command of the material by referencing certain books, and on the other hand you abuse the commenters on the Unz Review site by posting the aged and debunked propaganda. Mr. Wolfowitz , the main architect of the illegal Iraq war “admitted on television that linking these militants to al-Qaida was a ploy to rile up the rubes.” In other words, the ziocons purposely lied to the US citizenry in order to make the ordinary Americans pay with treasure and limb for the Yinon/PNAC grandiose plans of reducing the functioning Middle Eastern states to ruins. The rapacious war profiteers of all stripes were happy to oblige.

    http://www.salon.com/2014/06/18/paul_wolfowitz_despicably_reprising_old_lies_on_iraq/

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  106. It’s amazing for all the ballyhoo about the Israelis running the world, they had their asses handed to them this year with the Iran nuclear deal. The alt-right can’t be that short on memory.

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    It’s amazing for all the ballyhoo about the Israelis running the world, they had their asses handed to them this year with the Iran nuclear deal. The alt-right can’t be that short on memory.
     
    Just going to highlight the hypocrisy of the anti-Zio trolls here who come on heavy here with their antiwar.com bllsht except when it comes to Iran accelerating their nuclear programs to drop some big ones on Israel. Most of these anti-Zios are pathetic Sunni Muslims anyhow.
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  107. RobinG says:
    @Vapid Budapesht
    "You think Zusas ILLEGAL invasion of Iraq was a war for oil???"

    No, I don't. I said it is much cheaper to simply buy the oil than mount a huge military operation to steal it. Please read what I wrote. Also once you start calling people fools, silly and idiotic you have to be very careful not to make any mistakes yourself. Do you know how juvenile you come across as? Would you say the same if you were face to face with me?

    Zusa is no democracy.

    I have no idea what 'zusas' is. I have consulted my list of countries and zusas is not on it. Would you like to limit your comments to countries we can both agree upon?

    Zusa is no democracy.

    Democracy is a matter of degree, regardless from where some study emanates. Do I think that all presidents since Coolidge (with the exception of Reagan) have been expanding the role of government and shrinking the freedom of the citizenry? Yes, I do. Do I think this puts the USA on the same footing as Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries? No, I don't. A sense of proportion is called for in everything. Please try to rein in your simplistic equivalences.

    Zusa does not give a damn about democracy, u fool.

    Treat me with a bit of respect and I might consider replying further.

    Not too many here respect Zio-Trolls.

    “Q: but I am a hasbarachnik and I need to get you to stop using that expression!!
    A: give it up and find an easier target for your efforts. You will still get paid.” The Saker

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  108. Clyde says:
    @Rurik
    .


    ~off topic alert~

    I just want to take a moment to wish you all a very Merry Christmas and a very happy New Year!

    Since I've come to this site I've 'met' some really wonderful people

    God bless : )

    ~

    I just want to take a moment to wish you all a very Merry Christmas and a very happy New Year!

    Same to you. Your posts are 70% zio-obessive idiocy but I can tell you have a cultured IQ beyond this. Anna Marine called you cultured. To me its still up in the air.

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  109. Clyde says:
    @Sean the Neon Caucasian
    It's amazing for all the ballyhoo about the Israelis running the world, they had their asses handed to them this year with the Iran nuclear deal. The alt-right can't be that short on memory.

    It’s amazing for all the ballyhoo about the Israelis running the world, they had their asses handed to them this year with the Iran nuclear deal. The alt-right can’t be that short on memory.

    Just going to highlight the hypocrisy of the anti-Zio trolls here who come on heavy here with their antiwar.com bllsht except when it comes to Iran accelerating their nuclear programs to drop some big ones on Israel. Most of these anti-Zios are pathetic Sunni Muslims anyhow.

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    except when it comes to Iran accelerating their nuclear programs to drop some big ones on Israel.
     
    lol

    talk about self absorbed.

    oooh
    be afraid

    be very afraid all you jews
    Iran is coming to get you -- yes YOU!

    Iranians have nothing else on their mind except to drop some big ones on Israel

    (( image of giant turd ))

    you're a joke Clyde
    , @krollchem
    Where did you study to be a Zionist fanatic? Zionism, Radical Islam, Communism, and Fascism (including the US police state) are all evil statist forms of government with unlimited brutish power. The Stanford experiment illustrates what happens when one group has unlimited power over other groups who are are seen as inferior.

    Sunni Muslims are not pathetic anymore than Shia Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Christians, etc., as long as they practice an internal religion and do not try to impose it on others.

    Where did you get the idea that Iran wants to drop the big one on the made up state of Israel? Yes there are Iranians that hate Jews, just as there are Israeli state sponsored rabbis that want to burn down all Christian churches and kill the Christians. The Zionist trolls need to read more of Mr. Sanchez's work and become less hateful.
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  110. @krollchem
    Zionism was dominant in America even in 1967 when Israel attacked the US Liberty killing 34 US sailors and wounding another 171. You should remember that President Johnson forbid the US Navy from counter-attacking the Israeli navy and air force to protect these US soldiers. Yes the Captain eventually received the Medal of Honor from the US Congress but President Johnson refused to personally convey this award so as not to offend the Israelis.

    The survivors who I have spoken to have been abandoned by the Zionist US political leadership. They were even threatened if they spoke of the incident. As a US veteran I cannot forgive this continuing conspiracy. I also do not understand why America has given hundreds of billions to Israel as well as providing then with weapons grade uranium.

    The American political class has been bought and paid for by radical Zionist Jews, Salafist Muslims, and Neo-Nazis in Ukraine and Central and South America. I must admit that such profane relationships provide rich rewards to the US leaders and further their globalistic ideology. Ultimately, Americans will either rebel or become serfs to the "Masters of the Universe".

    I suggest you read more of Mr Sanchez before you discard his writings, you may yet learn something.

    Here we go again.
    Are you stating that president Johnson was a puppet?
    Or are you stating that he got rich rewards?

    Oh we poor US-citizens, we are just puppets of the jews.
    Besides that, we cannot be independent, because we like those rich rewards too much.

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    Do you believe the US politicians get elected because of their belief in the US Constitution?

    You should have noted that I included radical Islamists and neo-nazis to the list. For example check out Hillery's "donations" from the Saudis and Ukrainian pipeline companies.

    Politicians support the agenda of their contributors or they will not get elected again. Money talks.
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  111. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Clyde

    It’s amazing for all the ballyhoo about the Israelis running the world, they had their asses handed to them this year with the Iran nuclear deal. The alt-right can’t be that short on memory.
     
    Just going to highlight the hypocrisy of the anti-Zio trolls here who come on heavy here with their antiwar.com bllsht except when it comes to Iran accelerating their nuclear programs to drop some big ones on Israel. Most of these anti-Zios are pathetic Sunni Muslims anyhow.

    except when it comes to Iran accelerating their nuclear programs to drop some big ones on Israel.

    lol

    talk about self absorbed.

    oooh
    be afraid

    be very afraid all you jews
    Iran is coming to get you — yes YOU!

    Iranians have nothing else on their mind except to drop some big ones on Israel

    (( image of giant turd ))

    you’re a joke Clyde

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    "you’re a joke Clyde"
    He cannot help himself.
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  112. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG
    " Not being a democracy, using your country as an open prison, (trying to acquire) acquiring nuclear weapons, not cooperating with weapons inspectors, using chemical weapons against your own minorities and supporting terrorists is enough, not for the UN to agree to do much but enough to make decent countries invade you."

    But we haven't invaded Israhell.....

    Hi, Robin. Looks like you will talk to anyone, as well.

    btw – I’m glad to see that Walter Jones has recently become a cosponsor of 4108. That brings the number of cosponsors to 3.

    Just curious about the process. Is there a formal deadline or can a proposed bill stay on the books indefinitely? Are you still confident that this bill has a chance of making it to the floor of the House… or are you prepared to put on your marching shoes?

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    LOL :) Thanks for phrasing that with a loophole we could drive an Abrams through! YES, I am confident that H.R.4108 - To prohibit the use of funds for the provision of assistance to Syrian opposition groups and individuals, has 'a chance'.

    As to process, that's weird. Have you ever heard the expression "languishing in committee"? That means the committee chairman never calls for a vote, so the bill 'goes nowhere' and 'expires' at the end of the session (in this case, end of 2016). Conversely, a vote could be called prematurely and guarantee failure. This stuff is "at the discretion of" the Speaker of the House and the various chairmen, who are all Republicans because they currently have the majority in the House.

    Now, this is interesting. You notice that all the co-sponsors are Republicans. (The sponsor, Gabbard, is a Democrat, but she is a renegade straight-shooter.) My theory is that the Democrats (sniveling, cowering) are afraid to endorse this bill because they fear Killery. (Madame Clinton is still demanding war on Assad, so wants to support 'rebels'.) The Dems. believe Killery will be President, so they want to stay on her good side. In fact, whether she wins or not, the K-Woman doubtless has influence on the Israel Lobby's purse-strings. So, a few Dems. may step up, but this looks like a mostly Republican thing. Walter Jones is a good guy, and there are more like him.
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  113. RobinG says:
    @geokat62
    Hi, Robin. Looks like you will talk to anyone, as well.

    btw - I'm glad to see that Walter Jones has recently become a cosponsor of 4108. That brings the number of cosponsors to 3.

    Just curious about the process. Is there a formal deadline or can a proposed bill stay on the books indefinitely? Are you still confident that this bill has a chance of making it to the floor of the House... or are you prepared to put on your marching shoes?

    LOL :) Thanks for phrasing that with a loophole we could drive an Abrams through! YES, I am confident that H.R.4108 – To prohibit the use of funds for the provision of assistance to Syrian opposition groups and individuals, has ‘a chance’.

    As to process, that’s weird. Have you ever heard the expression “languishing in committee”? That means the committee chairman never calls for a vote, so the bill ‘goes nowhere’ and ‘expires’ at the end of the session (in this case, end of 2016). Conversely, a vote could be called prematurely and guarantee failure. This stuff is “at the discretion of” the Speaker of the House and the various chairmen, who are all Republicans because they currently have the majority in the House.

    Now, this is interesting. You notice that all the co-sponsors are Republicans. (The sponsor, Gabbard, is a Democrat, but she is a renegade straight-shooter.) My theory is that the Democrats (sniveling, cowering) are afraid to endorse this bill because they fear Killery. (Madame Clinton is still demanding war on Assad, so wants to support ‘rebels’.) The Dems. believe Killery will be President, so they want to stay on her good side. In fact, whether she wins or not, the K-Woman doubtless has influence on the Israel Lobby’s purse-strings. So, a few Dems. may step up, but this looks like a mostly Republican thing. Walter Jones is a good guy, and there are more like him.

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    As to process, that’s weird... This stuff is “at the discretion of” ... the various chairmen...
     
    Because of my obviously cursory understanding of the legislative process, I decided to investigate a little further for myself. Here's what I found:

    A key step of the legislative process is Committee Consideration:

    "A committee markup is the key formal step that a committee takes for a bill to ultimately advance to the floor. Normally, the committee chair chooses the proposal that will be placed before the committee for markup... a referred bill or a new draft text.

    A markup concludes when the committee agrees by majority vote to report the bill to the chamber. Committees rarely hold a markup unless the proposal in question is expected to receive majority support on that vote."

    And since the committee chair has the chief agenda setting authority for the committee, I assume it at his discretion to decide which bill to place before a committee for markup.
     
    So, Robin, with this additional information in hand, are you suggesting that because the committee chair is a republican it may not be placed before the committee for markup? Let's assume for the sake of argument he/she is willing to place the proposed bill before the committee for markup. Isn't a majority of votes required to place it before the committee for markup? So the key question I have is: how many committee members are there on the Armed Services; Intelligence; Foreign Affairs committees, which will determine the required number of votes for a majority?
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  114. annamaria says:
    @anonymous

    except when it comes to Iran accelerating their nuclear programs to drop some big ones on Israel.
     
    lol

    talk about self absorbed.

    oooh
    be afraid

    be very afraid all you jews
    Iran is coming to get you -- yes YOU!

    Iranians have nothing else on their mind except to drop some big ones on Israel

    (( image of giant turd ))

    you're a joke Clyde

    “you’re a joke Clyde”
    He cannot help himself.

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  115. krollchem says:
    @From The Hague
    Here we go again.
    Are you stating that president Johnson was a puppet?
    Or are you stating that he got rich rewards?

    Oh we poor US-citizens, we are just puppets of the jews.
    Besides that, we cannot be independent, because we like those rich rewards too much.

    Do you believe the US politicians get elected because of their belief in the US Constitution?

    You should have noted that I included radical Islamists and neo-nazis to the list. For example check out Hillery’s “donations” from the Saudis and Ukrainian pipeline companies.

    Politicians support the agenda of their contributors or they will not get elected again. Money talks.

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  116. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG
    LOL :) Thanks for phrasing that with a loophole we could drive an Abrams through! YES, I am confident that H.R.4108 - To prohibit the use of funds for the provision of assistance to Syrian opposition groups and individuals, has 'a chance'.

    As to process, that's weird. Have you ever heard the expression "languishing in committee"? That means the committee chairman never calls for a vote, so the bill 'goes nowhere' and 'expires' at the end of the session (in this case, end of 2016). Conversely, a vote could be called prematurely and guarantee failure. This stuff is "at the discretion of" the Speaker of the House and the various chairmen, who are all Republicans because they currently have the majority in the House.

    Now, this is interesting. You notice that all the co-sponsors are Republicans. (The sponsor, Gabbard, is a Democrat, but she is a renegade straight-shooter.) My theory is that the Democrats (sniveling, cowering) are afraid to endorse this bill because they fear Killery. (Madame Clinton is still demanding war on Assad, so wants to support 'rebels'.) The Dems. believe Killery will be President, so they want to stay on her good side. In fact, whether she wins or not, the K-Woman doubtless has influence on the Israel Lobby's purse-strings. So, a few Dems. may step up, but this looks like a mostly Republican thing. Walter Jones is a good guy, and there are more like him.

    As to process, that’s weird… This stuff is “at the discretion of” … the various chairmen…

    Because of my obviously cursory understanding of the legislative process, I decided to investigate a little further for myself. Here’s what I found:

    A key step of the legislative process is Committee Consideration:

    “A committee markup is the key formal step that a committee takes for a bill to ultimately advance to the floor. Normally, the committee chair chooses the proposal that will be placed before the committee for markup… a referred bill or a new draft text.

    A markup concludes when the committee agrees by majority vote to report the bill to the chamber. Committees rarely hold a markup unless the proposal in question is expected to receive majority support on that vote.”

    And since the committee chair has the chief agenda setting authority for the committee, I assume it at his discretion to decide which bill to place before a committee for markup.

    So, Robin, with this additional information in hand, are you suggesting that because the committee chair is a republican it may not be placed before the committee for markup? Let’s assume for the sake of argument he/she is willing to place the proposed bill before the committee for markup. Isn’t a majority of votes required to place it before the committee for markup? So the key question I have is: how many committee members are there on the Armed Services; Intelligence; Foreign Affairs committees, which will determine the required number of votes for a majority?

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    Geo,
    Bear in mind that I'm just learning this myself, either from Congress.gov or from word-of-mouth, but I read all that a little differently. (Is your quote from some blog? Where it says, "I assume" it doesn't sound official.) If anyone here is an expert, please chip in.

    1. " are you suggesting that because the committee chair is a republican it may not be placed before the committee for markup?"
    -No, the opposite actually, the more I learn about it. BUT, there are grotesque Rep. like John McCain, so it depends.

    2. "Isn’t a majority of votes required to place it before the committee for markup?"
    -Not required I guess, but certainly advisable. But there is no 'vote' at that point, just getting verbal agreement before going forward.

    3. "how many committee members are there on the Armed Services?"
    - 69. They are primary. As I understand it this committee determines the fate.

    4. "....which will determine the required number of votes for a majority?"
    -Let me reiterate, co-sponsoring is not equivalent to voting, it is high-profile endorsement. But YES, we do want to get more co-sponsors. And then we'll need the votes.

    Here's a question: I'm not sure if you have to be on one of the relevant committees to be a co-sponsor. I don't think so, but....

    BTW, markup is not voting, it is just what it sounds like --they can propose changes and sometimes totally fuck it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markup_(legislation)

    Geo, I like your questions, they make me do my homework. Thanks.
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  117. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    As to process, that’s weird... This stuff is “at the discretion of” ... the various chairmen...
     
    Because of my obviously cursory understanding of the legislative process, I decided to investigate a little further for myself. Here's what I found:

    A key step of the legislative process is Committee Consideration:

    "A committee markup is the key formal step that a committee takes for a bill to ultimately advance to the floor. Normally, the committee chair chooses the proposal that will be placed before the committee for markup... a referred bill or a new draft text.

    A markup concludes when the committee agrees by majority vote to report the bill to the chamber. Committees rarely hold a markup unless the proposal in question is expected to receive majority support on that vote."

    And since the committee chair has the chief agenda setting authority for the committee, I assume it at his discretion to decide which bill to place before a committee for markup.
     
    So, Robin, with this additional information in hand, are you suggesting that because the committee chair is a republican it may not be placed before the committee for markup? Let's assume for the sake of argument he/she is willing to place the proposed bill before the committee for markup. Isn't a majority of votes required to place it before the committee for markup? So the key question I have is: how many committee members are there on the Armed Services; Intelligence; Foreign Affairs committees, which will determine the required number of votes for a majority?

    Geo,
    Bear in mind that I’m just learning this myself, either from Congress.gov or from word-of-mouth, but I read all that a little differently. (Is your quote from some blog? Where it says, “I assume” it doesn’t sound official.) If anyone here is an expert, please chip in.

    1. ” are you suggesting that because the committee chair is a republican it may not be placed before the committee for markup?”
    -No, the opposite actually, the more I learn about it. BUT, there are grotesque Rep. like John McCain, so it depends.

    2. “Isn’t a majority of votes required to place it before the committee for markup?”
    -Not required I guess, but certainly advisable. But there is no ‘vote’ at that point, just getting verbal agreement before going forward.

    3. “how many committee members are there on the Armed Services?”
    - 69. They are primary. As I understand it this committee determines the fate.

    4. “….which will determine the required number of votes for a majority?”
    -Let me reiterate, co-sponsoring is not equivalent to voting, it is high-profile endorsement. But YES, we do want to get more co-sponsors. And then we’ll need the votes.

    Here’s a question: I’m not sure if you have to be on one of the relevant committees to be a co-sponsor. I don’t think so, but….

    BTW, markup is not voting, it is just what it sounds like –they can propose changes and sometimes totally fuck it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markup_(legislation)

    Geo, I like your questions, they make me do my homework. Thanks.

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    (Is your quote from some blog? Where it says, “I assume” it doesn’t sound official.)
     
    Robin, I used the word "assume" in the last paragraph because it was the only part of the blockquote that I didn't draw from this official source:

    https://www.congress.gov/legislative-process/committee-consideration

    With regard to who can cosponsor a bill, here's what I found at https://votesmart.org/education/how-a-bill-becomes-law#cosponsor


    Co-Sponsor- A member or members that add his or her name formally in support of another members bill. In the House a member can become a co-sponsor of a bill at any point up to the time the last authorized committee considers it. In the Senate a member can become a co-sponsor of a bill anytime before the vote takes place on the bill. However, a co-sponsor is not required and therefore, not every bill has a co-sponsor or co-sponsors.
     
    Hope this helps.
    , @geokat62

    4. “….which will determine the required number of votes for a majority?”
    -Let me reiterate, co-sponsoring is not equivalent to voting, it is high-profile endorsement. But YES, we do want to get more co-sponsors. And then we’ll need the votes.
     
    Just one follow-up question about voting. What I was trying to drive at was determining the level of support for a proposed bill to come out of a committee and be referred to the House. Based on the number of members on the Armed Services committee, it appears that 35 are required to support the bill (not through a formal vote but by verbal agreement, as you indicated) for the chair to place it before the committee for markup. Do I have that right?
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  118. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG
    Geo,
    Bear in mind that I'm just learning this myself, either from Congress.gov or from word-of-mouth, but I read all that a little differently. (Is your quote from some blog? Where it says, "I assume" it doesn't sound official.) If anyone here is an expert, please chip in.

    1. " are you suggesting that because the committee chair is a republican it may not be placed before the committee for markup?"
    -No, the opposite actually, the more I learn about it. BUT, there are grotesque Rep. like John McCain, so it depends.

    2. "Isn’t a majority of votes required to place it before the committee for markup?"
    -Not required I guess, but certainly advisable. But there is no 'vote' at that point, just getting verbal agreement before going forward.

    3. "how many committee members are there on the Armed Services?"
    - 69. They are primary. As I understand it this committee determines the fate.

    4. "....which will determine the required number of votes for a majority?"
    -Let me reiterate, co-sponsoring is not equivalent to voting, it is high-profile endorsement. But YES, we do want to get more co-sponsors. And then we'll need the votes.

    Here's a question: I'm not sure if you have to be on one of the relevant committees to be a co-sponsor. I don't think so, but....

    BTW, markup is not voting, it is just what it sounds like --they can propose changes and sometimes totally fuck it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markup_(legislation)

    Geo, I like your questions, they make me do my homework. Thanks.

    (Is your quote from some blog? Where it says, “I assume” it doesn’t sound official.)

    Robin, I used the word “assume” in the last paragraph because it was the only part of the blockquote that I didn’t draw from this official source:

    https://www.congress.gov/legislative-process/committee-consideration

    With regard to who can cosponsor a bill, here’s what I found at https://votesmart.org/education/how-a-bill-becomes-law#cosponsor

    Co-Sponsor- A member or members that add his or her name formally in support of another members bill. In the House a member can become a co-sponsor of a bill at any point up to the time the last authorized committee considers it. In the Senate a member can become a co-sponsor of a bill anytime before the vote takes place on the bill. However, a co-sponsor is not required and therefore, not every bill has a co-sponsor or co-sponsors.

    Hope this helps.

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  119. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG
    Geo,
    Bear in mind that I'm just learning this myself, either from Congress.gov or from word-of-mouth, but I read all that a little differently. (Is your quote from some blog? Where it says, "I assume" it doesn't sound official.) If anyone here is an expert, please chip in.

    1. " are you suggesting that because the committee chair is a republican it may not be placed before the committee for markup?"
    -No, the opposite actually, the more I learn about it. BUT, there are grotesque Rep. like John McCain, so it depends.

    2. "Isn’t a majority of votes required to place it before the committee for markup?"
    -Not required I guess, but certainly advisable. But there is no 'vote' at that point, just getting verbal agreement before going forward.

    3. "how many committee members are there on the Armed Services?"
    - 69. They are primary. As I understand it this committee determines the fate.

    4. "....which will determine the required number of votes for a majority?"
    -Let me reiterate, co-sponsoring is not equivalent to voting, it is high-profile endorsement. But YES, we do want to get more co-sponsors. And then we'll need the votes.

    Here's a question: I'm not sure if you have to be on one of the relevant committees to be a co-sponsor. I don't think so, but....

    BTW, markup is not voting, it is just what it sounds like --they can propose changes and sometimes totally fuck it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markup_(legislation)

    Geo, I like your questions, they make me do my homework. Thanks.

    4. “….which will determine the required number of votes for a majority?”
    -Let me reiterate, co-sponsoring is not equivalent to voting, it is high-profile endorsement. But YES, we do want to get more co-sponsors. And then we’ll need the votes.

    Just one follow-up question about voting. What I was trying to drive at was determining the level of support for a proposed bill to come out of a committee and be referred to the House. Based on the number of members on the Armed Services committee, it appears that 35 are required to support the bill (not through a formal vote but by verbal agreement, as you indicated) for the chair to place it before the committee for markup. Do I have that right?

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    Right, a majority agreement of the committee is needed to "report" the bill to the chamber (the full House).

    Before the markup, the chairman wants a sense (verbal?) of majority support or he won't bother to proceed. During the markup, they discuss it, maybe amend it, sometimes completely rewrite it.

    After the markup, there is an actual vote (whether to "report" it).
    "A markup concludes when the committee agrees, by majority vote, to report the bill to the chamber."

    This may be the text you quoted before. It explains this clearly (and also about Hearings). It's a great page.
    https://www.congress.gov/legislative-process/committee-consideration
    , @RobinG
    Wouldn't bother me if Putin wrapped this thing up and made the bill moot. ;)

    UN sets Syria peace talks target date, after death of rebel chief
    http://news.yahoo.com/syria-rebel-chief-zahran-alloush-killed-monitor-opposition-163954620.html

    "The United Nations hopes to convene peace talks between Syria's government and opposition on January 25, it said Saturday, a day after the killing of a powerful rebel leader who supported negotiations.

    The death of opposition chief Zahran Alloush also appeared to derail a plan to evacuate thousands of jihadists and civilians from southern Damascus."

    Last night the BBC was marveling at the negotiating that must have enabled the transfer of jihadis from Yarmouk to Raqqa. Is that now off? Who decided?
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  120. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    4. “….which will determine the required number of votes for a majority?”
    -Let me reiterate, co-sponsoring is not equivalent to voting, it is high-profile endorsement. But YES, we do want to get more co-sponsors. And then we’ll need the votes.
     
    Just one follow-up question about voting. What I was trying to drive at was determining the level of support for a proposed bill to come out of a committee and be referred to the House. Based on the number of members on the Armed Services committee, it appears that 35 are required to support the bill (not through a formal vote but by verbal agreement, as you indicated) for the chair to place it before the committee for markup. Do I have that right?

    Right, a majority agreement of the committee is needed to “report” the bill to the chamber (the full House).

    Before the markup, the chairman wants a sense (verbal?) of majority support or he won’t bother to proceed. During the markup, they discuss it, maybe amend it, sometimes completely rewrite it.

    After the markup, there is an actual vote (whether to “report” it).
    “A markup concludes when the committee agrees, by majority vote, to report the bill to the chamber.”

    This may be the text you quoted before. It explains this clearly (and also about Hearings). It’s a great page.

    https://www.congress.gov/legislative-process/committee-consideration

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  121. Kiza says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUu7DhL86Js

    Merry Christmas from Kim Jong-un

    I never thought that there would be more truth in something coming out of North Korea then what gets served in the Western MSM. It is often over-the-top, there is just too much material and there are several weak parts in this video. But the most brilliant moment is when the video shows Bush and Blair and says: These two degenerates declared a false ‘War on Terror’. At another moment “democracy is just a slogan” says this video definitely worth watching

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  122. Seraphim says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Allow me to finish this article with a recent blog post:

    Sep 28, 2015 - Emptying Syria

    One reason Syrians are fleeing is because of massive American bombing. The Washington Post reported that we've dropped more bombs (22,478) on Syria this year than the past five years in Afghanistan. This is all part of a failed four-year Saudi/Israeli/American attempt to overthrow the government of Syria. The EU is upset by the 381,000 refugees that it has accepted so far this year, but there are four million Syrian refugees in neighboring nations. Are they heading to the EU now?

    Putin gained strong support around the world with a simple solution -- support the Syrian government to crush ISIS and end the suffering. He notes that if Syria falls, their two million Christians may be killed by Muslim fanatics. There will be Libyan style chaos and genocide. Who benefits from this expensive, bloody, and senseless effort to empty Syria?

    The only nation that may benefit is Israel. As that nation becomes more Zionist and continues expanding into the West Bank, it may have bigger objectives. The current borders of Israel are only part of the "Promised Land" mentioned in the Bible. If Syria is emptied and left with bands of jihadist fighting amongst themselves, some are sure to fire across the border at Israel. That would justify an invasion of Syria in order to restore order and establish a security buffer.

    Then Jewish "settlements" may appear as the remaining locals are gradually herded into smaller and smaller zones. Since the world recognizes Israel's right to exist and many agree that the "Promised Land" is God given, who would object? Israel continues to expand into the West Bank each month in direct violation of UN resolutions and over the objections of the USA and EU. Israel unilaterally annexed Syria's Golan Heights in 1981 and "settled" it. Would anyone stop their annexation of most of Syria? This may seem like a wild conspiracy theory, but continued growth to a "Greater Israel" has been advocated for a long time and explains the senseless destruction and depopulation of Syria.

    To really finish the article one should remember that the Yinon Plan included as a necessary and imperative task, the recapture by Israel of the Sinai Peninsula. It is clear that nothing would end until this post is reached. And also the consolidation of the Jewish Ukrainian colony, the Kaganate of Nulands – as in the Nurussia – Novorussia (with Crimea as its center – the New Kagansns would prefer to live in the palaces of the former Tsars they vanquished). So, its not going to end any time soon.

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    "......its not going to end any time soon."

    No Kidding. The believers are falling all over themselves with ominous predictions.
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  123. RobinG says:
    @Seraphim
    To really finish the article one should remember that the Yinon Plan included as a necessary and imperative task, the recapture by Israel of the Sinai Peninsula. It is clear that nothing would end until this post is reached. And also the consolidation of the Jewish Ukrainian colony, the Kaganate of Nulands - as in the Nurussia - Novorussia (with Crimea as its center - the New Kagansns would prefer to live in the palaces of the former Tsars they vanquished). So, its not going to end any time soon.

    “……its not going to end any time soon.”

    No Kidding. The believers are falling all over themselves with ominous predictions.

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    It would most likely end when the Kagans and their neo-con, neo-Trotskyist ilk would be sent to the dustbin of history (preferably in a jail form).
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  124. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    4. “….which will determine the required number of votes for a majority?”
    -Let me reiterate, co-sponsoring is not equivalent to voting, it is high-profile endorsement. But YES, we do want to get more co-sponsors. And then we’ll need the votes.
     
    Just one follow-up question about voting. What I was trying to drive at was determining the level of support for a proposed bill to come out of a committee and be referred to the House. Based on the number of members on the Armed Services committee, it appears that 35 are required to support the bill (not through a formal vote but by verbal agreement, as you indicated) for the chair to place it before the committee for markup. Do I have that right?

    Wouldn’t bother me if Putin wrapped this thing up and made the bill moot. ;)

    UN sets Syria peace talks target date, after death of rebel chief

    http://news.yahoo.com/syria-rebel-chief-zahran-alloush-killed-monitor-opposition-163954620.html

    “The United Nations hopes to convene peace talks between Syria’s government and opposition on January 25, it said Saturday, a day after the killing of a powerful rebel leader who supported negotiations.

    The death of opposition chief Zahran Alloush also appeared to derail a plan to evacuate thousands of jihadists and civilians from southern Damascus.”

    Last night the BBC was marveling at the negotiating that must have enabled the transfer of jihadis from Yarmouk to Raqqa. Is that now off? Who decided?

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  125. krollchem says:
    @Clyde

    It’s amazing for all the ballyhoo about the Israelis running the world, they had their asses handed to them this year with the Iran nuclear deal. The alt-right can’t be that short on memory.
     
    Just going to highlight the hypocrisy of the anti-Zio trolls here who come on heavy here with their antiwar.com bllsht except when it comes to Iran accelerating their nuclear programs to drop some big ones on Israel. Most of these anti-Zios are pathetic Sunni Muslims anyhow.

    Where did you study to be a Zionist fanatic? Zionism, Radical Islam, Communism, and Fascism (including the US police state) are all evil statist forms of government with unlimited brutish power. The Stanford experiment illustrates what happens when one group has unlimited power over other groups who are are seen as inferior.

    Sunni Muslims are not pathetic anymore than Shia Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Christians, etc., as long as they practice an internal religion and do not try to impose it on others.

    Where did you get the idea that Iran wants to drop the big one on the made up state of Israel? Yes there are Iranians that hate Jews, just as there are Israeli state sponsored rabbis that want to burn down all Christian churches and kill the Christians. The Zionist trolls need to read more of Mr. Sanchez’s work and become less hateful.

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    "The Zionist trolls need to read more of Mr. Sanchez’s work and become less hateful."


    But then they won't get paid.
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  126. RobinG says:
    @krollchem
    Where did you study to be a Zionist fanatic? Zionism, Radical Islam, Communism, and Fascism (including the US police state) are all evil statist forms of government with unlimited brutish power. The Stanford experiment illustrates what happens when one group has unlimited power over other groups who are are seen as inferior.

    Sunni Muslims are not pathetic anymore than Shia Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Christians, etc., as long as they practice an internal religion and do not try to impose it on others.

    Where did you get the idea that Iran wants to drop the big one on the made up state of Israel? Yes there are Iranians that hate Jews, just as there are Israeli state sponsored rabbis that want to burn down all Christian churches and kill the Christians. The Zionist trolls need to read more of Mr. Sanchez's work and become less hateful.

    “The Zionist trolls need to read more of Mr. Sanchez’s work and become less hateful.”

    But then they won’t get paid.

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  127. Seraphim says:
    @RobinG
    "......its not going to end any time soon."

    No Kidding. The believers are falling all over themselves with ominous predictions.

    It would most likely end when the Kagans and their neo-con, neo-Trotskyist ilk would be sent to the dustbin of history (preferably in a jail form).

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    What, no apocalyptic war, no Mahdi and Dagaal, no Gog and Magog?

    How very optimistic of you...... and how at-odds with your next comment. Will the World send the Kagans to the dustbin before it is completely Judaized ?
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  128. Seraphim says:

    @War Is Realizing the Israelizing of the World

    It is rather the Judaization of the World (an ongoing process for centuries that now approaches completion).

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  129. RobinG says:
    @Seraphim
    It would most likely end when the Kagans and their neo-con, neo-Trotskyist ilk would be sent to the dustbin of history (preferably in a jail form).

    What, no apocalyptic war, no Mahdi and Dagaal, no Gog and Magog?

    How very optimistic of you…… and how at-odds with your next comment. Will the World send the Kagans to the dustbin before it is completely Judaized ?

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    It was wishful thinking. As long as they last, they will carry on their "mission", i.e. completion of...
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  130. Seraphim says:
    @RobinG
    What, no apocalyptic war, no Mahdi and Dagaal, no Gog and Magog?

    How very optimistic of you...... and how at-odds with your next comment. Will the World send the Kagans to the dustbin before it is completely Judaized ?

    It was wishful thinking. As long as they last, they will carry on their “mission”, i.e. completion of…

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  131. Rehmat says:
    @Karl
    did you know that a Pakistani Army General made millions upon millions of dollars, mercenary-ing himself out to King Hussein to do the dirty work during Black September? "Shield of the Sunnis" indeed!

    Where is your family from - Islamabad, or Lahore? Lahore has prettier girls. The Emiratis and the Saudis pay inflated prices to fuck them. Too bad, as you can get a full-time college-girl mistress for about $150 /month in Karachi. And your wife in Clifton will pretend she doesn't know about it, as long as her credit-cards for shopping at Dolmen Mall continue to be accepted by the swipe-machines..

    Too bad neither of those Punjabi cities has a police force like the Sindh Rangers.

    Jews have gotten around almost as much as Filipinos do. However, there never was a SIGNIFICANT community in Pakistan. Never even produced an IDF Colonel, much less any Generals.

    Another Zionist BS darling.

    That Pakistani “General” of yours in Jordan, was Col. Zia-ul Haq at that time, who later became second military dictator, Gen. Zia ul Haq. Now could King Hussein pay him millions of dollars while like Israel was living on US taxpayers donations.

    I was born in Northern Frontier of British India. Where were you born, in some Polish Jew ghetto?

    Did you remember how Pakistani volunteer pilots shot-down 10 Israeli jets during Holy 1973 War?

    http://rehmat1.com/2012/08/17/pakistani-pilots-who-shot-down-10-israeli-jets/

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