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On Virginia Dare’s 430th birthday last August 18, I wrote #DareToCelebrate Virginia Dare’s Birthday! Will Her Statue Be Torn Down Next—Along With America? Right on cue, the Washington Post on Thursday morning carried How a child born more than 400 years ago became a symbol of white nationalism, subhead “Virginia Dare and the myth of American whiteness.” [by Andrew Lawler, May 24, 2018 (alternative link)].

Lawler quotes me:

Even now, white supremacists and their allies claim Virginia Dare as their own. Peter Brimelow, a friend of former White House aide Stephen K. Bannon and current White House adviser Stephen Miller, founded the Vdare Foundation and vdare.com in 1999 to warn Americans about the danger posed by African and Asian immigrants. [What! No Hispanics?]

“I picked the name because I wanted to focus attention on the very specific cultural origins of America, at a time when mass nontraditional immigration is threatening to swamp it,” he wrote me. Brimelow originally is from Britain. One of his website’s postings notes that the Lost Colonists “simply found themselves outvoted, which is going to happen to us if we are not careful.” [There’s no hyperlink, and we can’t locate the quote using Google, but the idea was expressed here.]

No hyperlinks, of course, not that we care because MSM readers are notoriously incurious, but there is a link to Lawler’s forthcoming book The Secret Token: Myth, Obsession, and the Search for the Lost Colony of Roanoke. I presume he will be sending a review copy to PO Box 211 Litchfield CT, 06759.

Pausing briefly to point out that I have repeatedly said on VDARE.com that I’ve only met Bannon and Miller one time each, and that Lawler’s “white supremacist” smear occurs in the very same paragraph that quotes me saying that Virginia Dare exemplifies America’s (Anglo) cultural origins, I urge readers to note that Lawler does not really blame us for Virginia Dare emerging as “a symbol of white nationalism” at all—he blames the entire sweep of American history.

To do this, of course, he has to suppress the fact that progressive demigod President Franklin D. Roosevelt Franklin D. Roosevelt enthusiastically gave a speech commemorating the 350th anniversary of her birth, and actually suggested the commemorative stamp.

But Lawler is easily able to do this because of what now drives the American Left: a determination to extirpate every vestige of white America from the land they carved out of the wilderness. Neither Washington nor Jefferson nor Robert E. Lee nor Steven Foster or even Virginia Dare will be left standing. “White supremacism” is equated with “white nationalism” and, ultimately with “whiteness” itself.

Their messianic nihilism is that of France’s Jacobins or China’s Red Guards. As Lawler puts it:

The infant of Roanoke offers us two very different futures. We can be martyred for some imagined race, or we can recognize that to be American is, in its essence, to be willing to redefine our beliefs, goals and even our ethnicity. Only by getting lost can we become something new.

Guess who will get to “redefine” America.

Lawler made repeated efforts to see me last year, when he claimed to be writing for National Geographic. I insisted on being interviewed by email, with the result that our exchanges (consolidated, slightly edited, and hyperlinked) are preserved for posterity.

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 10:55 PM, Peter Brimelow <[email protected]> wrote:

Peter Brimelow: Sorry about this, Andrew, just got small children to bed. However, I think my written answers are not “Establishment”.

Andrew Lawler: When did you first hear about/learn about Virginia Dare?

When I first started studying American history, in high school in UK, circa 1965. In those days, it was axiomatic.

What was the moment/scene when you decided to link her name to your website?

Late 1999. I have all kinds of theories about naming websites, e.g. people confuse names amazingly—Forbes, Fortune, both of which I worked for—which I’m sure you don’t want to hear about.

Also, I was preoccupied with my small daughter, born as I then thought late in my life, and empathized with John White.

What do you think took place on Roanoke Island after Gov. John White left in 1587?

Obviously, I have no more idea than anyone else. Mortality was terribly high in those days, especially for women, and it’s quite possible they left no genetic trace even if sheltered by local Indians (which is certainly not impossible).

[btw what’s the story on the Lumbees right now? Haven’t checked for a while].

What do you think happened to Virginia Dare as well as the other colonists?

See above.

Research into the Roanoke voyages in the last 60 years shows a surprising diversity of colonists beyond purely English born; nine nationalities, as well as Catholics and at least one Jew. Most of those had essential expertise (navigation, metallurgy) that few English born had in that day. This information, based on historical documents, seems at odds with the old idea that this was purely an English colony when it was, in fact, a surprisingly multinational endeavor. How do you relate this to your views about Anglo Saxons as the root of the United States?

This is what I think I called in Alien Nation the horse/rabbit fallacy—a stew made of one horse and one rabbit is not half horse-half rabbit. Diversiticrats swoop on trace elements to try to deconstruct the Founding, but what language did the colonists speak? What laws did they acknowledge? If they weren’t an English colony, what was?

Several historians, including the distinguished David Quinn, argue that hundreds of Moors, black Africans, and South American Indians likely were left on Roanoke Island by Sir Francis Drake in 1586 after his Caribbean raids. If this is true, then these lost colonists outnumbered the English several to one. Does this possibility, unproven but apparently quite likely, alter your view of the Roanoke voyages and the founding of the United States by whites?

No. Is there any suggestion these maroons survived and interacted with the Roanoke colony? Did they change its language or its laws?

Historians generally agree that the ill-prepared and ill-provisioned Roanoke settlers didn’t have a chance of survival in the New World without extensive Native American assistance. Do you think this is true?

I don’t know specifically, but the fundamental fact is that the English crossed the Atlantic and founded self-sustaining communities in the New World—not the other way around. Moreover, they founded colonies in many other places. This has to mean something.

Virginia Dare was first popularly used as a symbol of white purity and Anglo Saxon dominance in the 1890s, in an era of Jim Crow laws that forbade African Americans basic civil rights, such as voting. She was often referred to then as “the first white child born” in the New World, since Spaniards and Portuguese and French did not count as white for many Americans in that day. How does “your” Virginia Dare relate to the Virginia Dare of that era?

It’s obviously ludicrous to claim that Portuguese, Spanish and French did not count as white to Americans in the 1890s—they looked to Europe, not Latin America.

But they did certainly see that Virginia Dare as their cultural ancestor (not necessarily “Anglo-Saxon”, c.f. Theodore Roosevelt’s boast that he had no British blood, but certainly Anglophone).

Re Jim Crow, I’m just not into white guilt. The problems of white-black relations in America, which are profound and very far from solved, are quite separate from the genesis of the Historic American Nation—which the Founding Fathers saw, as a matter of historical fact, as a white ethnostate.

So how do you define white? It is a definition that obviously has changed often since the days of the Founding Fathers (just look at the bewildering array of NC laws on this matter from colonial days until the 1960s).

This is just Left-deconstructionist hogwash. Just because an entity has fuzzy boundaries doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Jews argue about how to define a Jew, but no-one doubts Jews exist.

Would you advocate genetic testing to determine “whiteness”?

What have I ever written or published on VDARE.com that would imply a need for that?

I do think supporters of the Affirmative Action spoils system will eventually be driven to genetic testing to get around the Rachel Dolezal problem, but that’s on them.

Do you think Virginia Dare became popular in the 19th century because of fears of immigrants and African Americans? (I found that her popularity coincides with an increase in immigration and laws restricting African American rights in the 1830s and then the 1890s). Is she making a comeback for the same reason?

You mean her popularity spiked in the 1830s AND the 1890s?

I’ve seen it argued that there was a colonial revival here in New England in the 1890s, whitewashing clapboard houses etc., related to the concurrent immigration crisis, but I don’t know—seems to me that the Virginia Dare legend more likely to be an expression of burgeoning American nationalism and identity-awareness, especially after the Civil War.

The Roosevelt Administration made a big deal of the 350thanniversary, which obviously was in a period of no immigration and no civil rights movement. Roosevelt made a speech drawing a progressive moral from the Virginia Dare story—she was a proto-democrat etc. So your hypothesis doesn’t really work there.

Is Virginia Dare making a comeback? I picked the name because I wanted to focus attention on the very specific cultural origins of America, at a time when mass non-traditional immigration is threatening to swamp it. Of course, it leads to all kinds of smears because she was white, but in fact there were earlier white children in Florida and Newfoundland. There’s just a lot of anti-white (and anti-Anglo) prejudice in the American chattering class.

My question about the diversity of Roanoke members is whether we have clung to an idea of “pure Anglo Saxon blood” and “first white child”–the popular 1890s-early 1900s idea–that turns out to be simplistic and just plain inaccurate. Yes, they spoke English and followed English law, but there was apparently far greater diversity among the settlers than once thought. This is not a political statement, but the result of sober historical research. Does this research alter in any way your views about the “Anglo” nature of the effort?

Well, none of the Lost Colony survived that we know, so it’s a moot point. Generally, my impression is the reverse: the heavily British nature of the early settlements is actually very much underplayed nowadays, because of the determination to retcon multiculturalism/ diversity into American history. But it’s obviously what John Jay was relying on in the famous passage in Federalist #2

Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people—a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs …

From memory, I think the white population of the colonies in 1790 was 80% British, 60% English in 1790. That’s not very diverse.

On the Lumbee, they are clearly a mix of several Native American tribes, Europeans (Scottish and French mainly), and a variety of West Africans. Whether they took in the Lost Colonists is not possible to know, even through DNA, at least until we find the bones of Virginia Dare. How do you see this ethnic mixing?

So they’re tri-racial isolates, like the Melungeons etc.?

I don’t think there were many Scots or French in the Lost Colony (perhaps you disagree) so I guess that means that particular legend is looking frayed.

How do I see this ethnic mixing? You mean, can I be tricked into admitting I’m a Nazi? Try again.

I am genuinely interested in the Lumbees—and facts are facts.

Lastly, those pesky labels. I read that you don’t consider yourself a white supremacist. What moniker do you prefer?

It seems to me that “white supremacy” has to mean (1) a belief that whites are objectively superior and/or (2) the desire to have whites rule other races (specifically blacks in the South).

Since I am aware of the findings the East Asians are on average more intelligent than whites, and do not advocate ruling other races, I cannot be described as a “white supremacist” while retaining a modicum of meaning for the term. It would be like calling you a Communist because you’re trying to deconstruct an American legend.

On the other hand, it’s clear that the Left is now experimenting with using the term to mean any white who is not a total wimp about race.

The moniker I prefer is “American patriot.” I regard myself as a civic nationalist, which is what Trump seems to be i.e. I don’t regard America as an exclusively racial construct. On the other hand, it does have a specific racial core (something Trump has never acknowledged, I have no idea what he thinks, if he thinks about it at all).

There’s a discussion of this issue here. To quote me:

A few years ago, on VDARE.com, we actually had a debate on the issue of Citizenism vs. White Nationalism. This was in the days when Jared [Taylor] accepted the term “white nationalist.” [He’s stopped because he thinks it’s hopelessly smeared]. He debated Steve Sailer. Sailer made the argument that a nation is an ethno-cultural entity and the cultural aspect means that you can assimilate people who are not of the same race into the nation-state. Jared was more pessimistic.

Now, my heart belongs to Steve Sailer on this issue—because I’m a wimp. But my head belongs to Jared. Because of the Political Class’s fanatical determination to Elect A New People, I do think that politics will precipitate out on racial lines.

What is your definition of who is white and who is not? I’m looking for your view, whether it is counting haplotypes or some other measure.

Why are you so concerned about this? Personally, I don’t see any need for a complex explanation at this point. Whites are whites—descended from the indigenous European stock, who look white, consider themselves white, are accepted by whites cf. Jews.

As I said, given Affirmative Action, the Left is going to have to move to a more scientifically accurate definition of race at some point. Racially-mixed societies, e.g. Brazil, have a lot of words to describe degrees of admixture that don’t exist in English. But I myself would prefer to abolish Affirmative Action.

You mention higher intelligence among East Asians. Do you, then, believe that different ethnic groups can be ranked according to intelligence, and, if so, what ranking do you consider the most reliable?

There’s a ton of technical literature on this for God’s sake, see The Bell Curve, The g Factor , Richard Lynn

The mixed race question is important, since, as seems likely given recent archaeological finds, the Lost Colonists merged with Native American tribes in eastern North Carolina, who in turn merged with the growing African American populations around them (this seems true of the Lumbee as well, who have European and West African haplotypes and only, at most, a tiny percentage of Native American gene types, though direct tribe members did not participate in the study). By the late 19th century, all people of color in NC (setting aside the remnant Cherokee tribe in the mountains and the Lumbee who were granted Indian status based on Democratic politics of the 1880s) were classified by law as African American. Marriage with whites was forbidden. Therefore, if there are surviving Lost Colonist genes, they are within today’s African American community. So if Virginia Dare survived and had children, her descendants today are black. Whatever one thinks of American race issues, this does feel a little ironic, does it not?

Not particularly. Blacks are Americans, aren’t they? They speak English etc. See: Civic Nationalism.

It seems to me I anticipated this back in my 1999 post introducing the site Why VDARE.com? Why The White Doe?—and also the next step:

So Virginia Dare could be symbolic of the coming racial nirvana that immigration enthusiasts are forced to start fantasizing about when you compel them to look at the statistical consequences of current policy.

Or perhaps not. The actress Heather Locklear (Melrose Place, etc.) is claimed as a prominent Lumbee. But if, through some miracle of genetic recombination, Virginia Dare is reborn in Ms. Locklear’s beautiful face, John White might well have recognized her.

(Do you really think there’s archeological evidence the Lost Colony survived at all? Looks pretty shaky to me, but I may not be up to date.)

Lawler subsequently sent me a link to The Mystery of Roanoke Endures Yet Another Cruel Twist|An artifact found 20 years ago turns out to not be what archaeologists thought, by Andrew Lawler, Smithsonian.com, April 7, 2017.

Oddly, it says “recent archeological finds” do not confirm the that the Lost Colony merged with the local Indians.

Peter Brimelow [Email him] is the editor of VDARE.com. His best-selling book, Alien Nation: Common Sense About America’s Immigration Disaster, is now available in Kindle format. Follow Peter Brimelow on Twitter.

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  1. Mishra says:

    “Virginia Dare and the myth of American whiteness.”

    They fervently await the day when white people themselves are nothing but a myth.

    That the WP publishes a hatchet job on this topic will surprise no one.

    Thanks for setting the record straight, Mr Brimelow.

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    Then who will the pay for everyone else's free ride?

    Blacks & browns on welfare?

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  2. The mixed race question is important, since, as seems likely given recent archaeological finds, the Lost Colonists merged with Native American tribes in eastern North Carolina, who in turn merged with the growing African American populations around them (this seems true of the Lumbee as well, who have European and West African haplotypes and only, at most, a tiny percentage of Native American gene types, though direct tribe members did not participate in the study). By the late 19th century, all people of color in NC (setting aside the remnant Cherokee tribe in the mountains and the Lumbee who were granted Indian status based on Democratic politics of the 1880s) were classified by law as African American. Marriage with whites was forbidden. Therefore, if there are surviving Lost Colonist genes, they are within today’s African American community. So if Virginia Dare survived and had children, her descendants today are black. Whatever one thinks of American race issues, this does feel a little ironic, does it not?

    Well, of the two morons in this debate, this [above block quote] takes 1st place for presumptive idiocy.

    If one were to research the Native American hospitality rules of the era, it might likely be discovered the was no hard and fast circumstance that would keep any migrating Roanoke colonists local. They could have died out, they might have broken into several groups and altogether dispersed, or some remained local and others, not.

    A tongue-in-cheek understanding from a Native American humor point of view could be VD represents two separate but closely related phenomena… and as result of this you could as Chuck Norris what happened with VD in either case:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/04/07/thuck-norris/

    Or just ask any Indian:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/05/24/essay-on-native-american-humor/

    ^

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    • Replies: @anon
    To call Brimelow a "moron" automatically disqualifies anything you have to say. Attack his ideas, be a man. But you know very well he is highly intelligent and perceptive.
    Into the trash your comment goes, 90% unread :D
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  3. Thanks for pic of Heather Locklear. She’s an absolute cracker, regardless of whatever genetic recombination. Yum-yum.

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  4. JackOH says:

    ” . . . [A] determination to extirpate every vestige of white America from the land they carved out of the wilderness.”

    Yes, that’s how I’m seeing things. That extirpation has been enabled by a half-century of demoralizing laws and practices, such as affirmative action, and the infiltration of subversive Black Supremacist, feminist, and other ideologies into the public mind. There’s not a lot of deep-think to it.

    What’s really astonishing is so many White folks have come to believe the only responses to this bullpuckey are slavish acquiescence and ritualist goodthinking or KKK-Nazi-style high jinks. I’m convinced a straightforward, calm expose of these crap ideas is possible, but I’m clearly in the minority.

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    "What’s really astonishing is so many White folks have come to believe the only responses to this bullpuckey are slavish acquiescence and ritualist goodthinking or KKK-Nazi-style high jinks. I’m convinced a straightforward, calm expose of these crap ideas is possible, but I’m clearly in the minority."



    If you understood the great truth that The Emperor's New Clothes tells about human nature (when 'authority figures repeat something over and over, the masses accept it, even when it is utterly absurd), then you would be almost the opposite of astonished that so many Whites have come to believe this stuff.

    To make that point in a way that will offend Brimelow and his VDARE crowd: when the UK authorities (beginning with Henry VIII's reign and intensifying greatly under Cromwell, with no meaningful backing away until languages and local cultures and local/non-WASP historical memory were nearly exterminated) focused on ending any potential opposition to their rule throughout what by compromise they agreed to call the British Isles (the root word of 'Britain' is P-Celtic, not Anglo-Saxon/Germanic), they did so by with never ending messaging that those who were WASP in either family heritage or at least total cultural acceptance were inherently superior to those who were not WASP, which to the WASP mind equalled a moral right to act to exterminate all expression of the non-WASPs.

    It worked over time. Before the height of the Victorian era, it was a given among the most low IQ and criminally inclined English that they were born superior to the much less intelligent of the British Isles, who just so happened not to be what in America would be labeled WASPs. And the peoples of Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and the Celtic fringes of England also believed it and accepted being treated as inferior until such time as they proved they loved and would serve the system that declared them inferior and any expression of their cultural heritage evil.

    The English built the world's largest empire with endless divide and conquer that always featured using brutal force followed by minimal carrots for those who stopped resisting in order to rule and begin the process of leading the conquered to think like WASPs. The conquered were trained to distance themselves from their actual heritage in order to serve the WASP empire.

    That is the reason English is the global language.

    What is most funny about exchanges like this one between Brimelow and this typical PC jackdaw is that neither is sufficiently astute to recognize that this is a replay of earlier such scenes in the now more than half a millennium war to obliterate any vestige of Christendom. Brimelow and his WASPs used to control the world domination and the 'torture chambers,' and now they are added to the list of those to be forced to destroy their entire identity in order to part allowed merely to live in the new world of Anglophone Progress.

    Brimelow, Derbyshire, Fulford et. al., are unaware that in their always reappearing articles lauding contempt for non-WASP whites (with special hatred for Irish Catholics), they are like the Old Bosheviks trying to avoid being purged to death by those that their political/cultural/moral beliefs and actions produced.

    The WASP war against Christendom gave us this world of the suicide of the West. For example, it was WASPs who invented the religion of Abolitionism, and they did it on both sides of the Atlantic. And that religion of Abolitionism had zero interest in freeing whites owned by Mohammedans, because it was only interested in ending slavery of blacks. That total focus on freeing all blacks while also delighting in financially and socially destroying, even killing, all whites who were part of the world that included slavery of blacks.

    WASP Abolitionism never bothered to think about using force to punish blacks who caught other blacks to sell as slaves, because WASP Abolitionism was about WASPs proving their moral superiority over whites they despised and wished to destroy.

    Need another example? The first feminists were all WASP - 100%. For at least three generations of Feminism, the focus always came back to those backward 'ethnic' whites who must be freed by being re-fashioned in the image of the WASP woman.

    Abolitionism + Feminism birthed from among the educated wealthy of culture = what for that culture long term?

    The VDARE crowd is incapable of recognizing that WASP culture has always been warring - successfully warring - to remove any trace of Christendom, to replace Christendom with WASP empire. It is, therefore, a revolutionary idea, a revolutionary calling, a revolutionary identity. And now that it has fully infected the globe, it is turning on its own most inner core. That is the natural lifespan of a revolutionary drive. Once the founding core has served its purpose, it is destroyed from within, so the Revolution can continue.

    I would guess that just as Old Bolsheviks went to their executions certain that the Revolution was perfect, the VDARE type will die certain that more WASPism would have saved civilization. Their last article likely will be in praise of the Know-Nothings with reference to Oliver Cromwell making that deal with Jews so the nascent WASPs could keep slaughtering non-WASP white Christians.
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    Jack in Ohio, I agreed with you until the last sentence there, so I'm in the majority -

    I’m convinced a straightforward, calm expose of these crap ideas is possible, but I’m clearly in the minority.
     
    Like Pat Buchanan and others, you give the other side too much credit, and maybe you think we still live in a civil political environment. I don't believe that's the case now.

    You can make all the logical arguments you want. The other side may understand part or all of it. That doesn't matter - what's occurring now is what the Globalists and cntrl-left useful idiots WANT to occur. They don't have to listen to us.

    I can see that nobody will ever dismantle the AA, the one-side socialism (I don't like ANY sided socialism!), the total institutional disdain and policy against white males, and the statues and other parts of the culture, until lots of people feel lots of physical trauma. That's only thing that will override their will to destroy the country, unless the still-majority that could defend America come together very soon, overcome their fear of being called names and take control of things.
    , @Anon
    American history began in 1880 when the Jews of Russia learned that by granting them civil rights the Russian government also demanded they fulfill their civic responsibilities such as paying taxes and being subject to the draft.
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  5. Ironic that Brimelow et al, the dissident right and race realists are considered by the MSM to be obsessed with race. The exchange here shows the interviewer being far more obsessed with race.

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    As Brimelow pointed out, Lawler was fishing for any comment he could get to slur Brimelow as a white supremacist or Nazi. Every time Brimelow pointed out what he was doing, Lawler changed the subject.
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    As far as I'm concerned, what's coming will look like the English Civil War, where neighbor-by-neighbor the chasm between belief becomes so wide and deep that interpersonal violence on a near-Rwandan Genocide level may result.

    I do know that the Left's Lunatic Cult is off Sanity Island, and the rise of the Right is assured (simply because anything that's not further Left in lunacy is, by definition, Right.)

    Maybe it won't happen. Maybe this is New Nirvana. But that's not the way to bet, I don't think.

    As things stand now, the Geese that lay the golden eggs are under assault. We are not remotely a minority yet, and even if we were, those who seek to replace us are not us. This isn't South Africa. What is ahead is either Mouse Utopia (because Leftism is the ecological suicide switch for too-successful humanity) or Idiocracy...which will end up in squalor and worse.

    Or else Nature will resume culling.
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    "The exchange here shows the interviewer being far more obsessed with race."

    An excellent observation.
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    Paradoxically, the left is obsessed with race because they view race as an "artificial social construct," and thus the "myth of whiteness" can be "deconstructed" and thus "racism" and "white supremacy" can be eradicated by "anti-racist" and egalitarian inculcation and thought-control. The regnant post-Marxist "cultural Marxist" left is inherently totalitarian, given the dogma that racial differences are purely environment rather than essentially biological in causation.
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  6. Svigor says:

    The myth of Jewishness.

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  7. cezanne says:

    The miscegenationists out there really do want to muddy the waters. Look at Harry and the Cheddar man. A full blown assault on whiteness is under sail and will not stop until it reaches a new continent or better yet, is blown out of the water by what’s left of Americas real patriots. Do we need a new party something akin to the Tea Party, which espouses Historical American values and who will not bow to the leftist/jewish/negroid pressure machines? Yes we do! There is a strong power block allied against Pride in the White race and American History, CEO”s, jewish run media and Hollywood, Schools which encourage the sissyfieing of our male youth, Politicians which turn a blind eye to the atrocities committed daily by thugs (Nancy Pelosi, Schumer, Waters et. al.). Every day the assault and inroads continue to tear the fabric which binds together our forefathers and ourselves. Look at all the people making love to their phones all day! They touch and look and touch and look more than they do with their family! That is an abomination that no one wants to talk about. Thank God for President Trump, but he is not and cannot be our sole answer to the deadly dilemma which faces us today! No more statues taken down, Jesus Christ back in schools, taking the Butt back out of the Butt Scouts of America! Speak up, Speak out, be proud, UNITE!

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    you folks who are turning a blind eye to the destruction of America via these races which do not want to assimilate are part of the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jewed down in order to appear normal.
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  8. Well, I’ve lived as an “Indian” in a tepee of my own making in the wilderness of the West and I’ve lived as a farmer, raising sheep and growing fruit and I have this to offer.

    There is an unbridgeable gulf between the two. A farmer is as ill equipped to regress to the lifestyle and habits of a hunter/gatherer as is the opposite. It’s one-or-the-other, as the modern study of population genetics attests.

    It doesn’t surprise me in the least that the early colonists struggled to survive in a land in which they could not immediately enjoy a reliable yield of crops. All the Indians had to do to exterminate them was starve them to death by killing their free-grazing cows, pigs, chickens and ducks and trample their vegetable gardens underfoot (which makes the slaughter of the buffalo of the Great Plains a sort of revenge, I suppose).

    So, contrary to the opinions of “historians” cited by Lawler above, I must disagree with the notion that the colonists didn’t have the requisite skills to survive and were therefore somehow helpless babes–a fairly common critique gleefully offered up by the Left (their intention being to make the whites appear not merely as merciless exploiters, but incompetent boobs as well–as usual, the Left tries to have it both ways).

    It is generally a mistake to “misunderestimate” the capabilities of persons in the past. Whenever I encounter this argument I doubt the proponent’s capacity to muster anything more worth listening to. Just because the lifestyle of our forebears is a mystery to us doesn’t mean that it was a mystery to them.

    Lawler is obsessed with suggesting that the whites genetically merged with native Indians because to acknowledge that the natives slaughtered the white settlers would be to admit that they were not the multi-cultural, diversity-loving, peaceful, children-of-the-Garden phantasm that Liberals imagine. It would mean seeing them as blood-thirsty savages defending their turf in the most nationalistic fashion imaginable.

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    In other words,

    we don't have a darn clue what happened and it doesn't really matter save for . . . well, whatever.
    , @David In TN
    I've always thought the natives slaughtered the white settlers of the Lost Colony of Roanoke.
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  9. Barnard says:
    @The Alarmist
    Ironic that Brimelow et al, the dissident right and race realists are considered by the MSM to be obsessed with race. The exchange here shows the interviewer being far more obsessed with race.

    As Brimelow pointed out, Lawler was fishing for any comment he could get to slur Brimelow as a white supremacist or Nazi. Every time Brimelow pointed out what he was doing, Lawler changed the subject.

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  10. Jake says:
    @JackOH
    " . . . [A] determination to extirpate every vestige of white America from the land they carved out of the wilderness."

    Yes, that's how I'm seeing things. That extirpation has been enabled by a half-century of demoralizing laws and practices, such as affirmative action, and the infiltration of subversive Black Supremacist, feminist, and other ideologies into the public mind. There's not a lot of deep-think to it.

    What's really astonishing is so many White folks have come to believe the only responses to this bullpuckey are slavish acquiescence and ritualist goodthinking or KKK-Nazi-style high jinks. I'm convinced a straightforward, calm expose of these crap ideas is possible, but I'm clearly in the minority.

    “What’s really astonishing is so many White folks have come to believe the only responses to this bullpuckey are slavish acquiescence and ritualist goodthinking or KKK-Nazi-style high jinks. I’m convinced a straightforward, calm expose of these crap ideas is possible, but I’m clearly in the minority.”

    If you understood the great truth that The Emperor’s New Clothes tells about human nature (when ‘authority figures repeat something over and over, the masses accept it, even when it is utterly absurd), then you would be almost the opposite of astonished that so many Whites have come to believe this stuff.

    To make that point in a way that will offend Brimelow and his VDARE crowd: when the UK authorities (beginning with Henry VIII’s reign and intensifying greatly under Cromwell, with no meaningful backing away until languages and local cultures and local/non-WASP historical memory were nearly exterminated) focused on ending any potential opposition to their rule throughout what by compromise they agreed to call the British Isles (the root word of ‘Britain’ is P-Celtic, not Anglo-Saxon/Germanic), they did so by with never ending messaging that those who were WASP in either family heritage or at least total cultural acceptance were inherently superior to those who were not WASP, which to the WASP mind equalled a moral right to act to exterminate all expression of the non-WASPs.

    It worked over time. Before the height of the Victorian era, it was a given among the most low IQ and criminally inclined English that they were born superior to the much less intelligent of the British Isles, who just so happened not to be what in America would be labeled WASPs. And the peoples of Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and the Celtic fringes of England also believed it and accepted being treated as inferior until such time as they proved they loved and would serve the system that declared them inferior and any expression of their cultural heritage evil.

    The English built the world’s largest empire with endless divide and conquer that always featured using brutal force followed by minimal carrots for those who stopped resisting in order to rule and begin the process of leading the conquered to think like WASPs. The conquered were trained to distance themselves from their actual heritage in order to serve the WASP empire.

    That is the reason English is the global language.

    What is most funny about exchanges like this one between Brimelow and this typical PC jackdaw is that neither is sufficiently astute to recognize that this is a replay of earlier such scenes in the now more than half a millennium war to obliterate any vestige of Christendom. Brimelow and his WASPs used to control the world domination and the ‘torture chambers,’ and now they are added to the list of those to be forced to destroy their entire identity in order to part allowed merely to live in the new world of Anglophone Progress.

    Brimelow, Derbyshire, Fulford et. al., are unaware that in their always reappearing articles lauding contempt for non-WASP whites (with special hatred for Irish Catholics), they are like the Old Bosheviks trying to avoid being purged to death by those that their political/cultural/moral beliefs and actions produced.

    The WASP war against Christendom gave us this world of the suicide of the West. For example, it was WASPs who invented the religion of Abolitionism, and they did it on both sides of the Atlantic. And that religion of Abolitionism had zero interest in freeing whites owned by Mohammedans, because it was only interested in ending slavery of blacks. That total focus on freeing all blacks while also delighting in financially and socially destroying, even killing, all whites who were part of the world that included slavery of blacks.

    WASP Abolitionism never bothered to think about using force to punish blacks who caught other blacks to sell as slaves, because WASP Abolitionism was about WASPs proving their moral superiority over whites they despised and wished to destroy.

    Need another example? The first feminists were all WASP – 100%. For at least three generations of Feminism, the focus always came back to those backward ‘ethnic’ whites who must be freed by being re-fashioned in the image of the WASP woman.

    Abolitionism + Feminism birthed from among the educated wealthy of culture = what for that culture long term?

    The VDARE crowd is incapable of recognizing that WASP culture has always been warring – successfully warring – to remove any trace of Christendom, to replace Christendom with WASP empire. It is, therefore, a revolutionary idea, a revolutionary calling, a revolutionary identity. And now that it has fully infected the globe, it is turning on its own most inner core. That is the natural lifespan of a revolutionary drive. Once the founding core has served its purpose, it is destroyed from within, so the Revolution can continue.

    I would guess that just as Old Bolsheviks went to their executions certain that the Revolution was perfect, the VDARE type will die certain that more WASPism would have saved civilization. Their last article likely will be in praise of the Know-Nothings with reference to Oliver Cromwell making that deal with Jews so the nascent WASPs could keep slaughtering non-WASP white Christians.

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    I appreciate your knowledge of some British history, Jake. However, you should realize that all the groups of people you wrote about are on the same side NOW. I'm not one of those "do try to keep up" snarky internet guys, but man, TRY TO KEEP UP! We're on the same team.
    , @DFH
    The British empire hated Catholics so much that they allowed them autonomy in Quebec, gave them the right to vote, hold administrative and military offices and to have their own schools.

    If you were genuinely interested in historical enemies of Christianity generally or Catholicism in particular, it's the French Republics or Bismark's Kulturkampf that you would be talking about.
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  11. Yep. Lawler tries to say that Colonial Americans viewed the French as non-white. ??? I think the historical record shows that Colonial Americans viewed the French as very able and advanced. The Americans recruited French military support in the War for Independence. The French Navy was a yuuuge factor in the outcome. French officers were present when the Brits surrendered to George Washington. It seems Lawler is quite the would-be deceiver.

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    Lawler is trying to say the founding of the United States is multicultural and diverse and as a result of that we should be willing to accept any third worlder who wants to move here today. This is a common tactic among the left today. Brimelow's counterpoint is that non British settlers were small in numbers outside of a few places and that they easily assimilated into the system the British settlers developed.

    There are people in Britain arguing that it has always been diverse because of the mix Normans, Scandinavians, Jutes, Angles and Saxons who settled the islands over time. The people who make this argument are either deeply cynical or stupid.
    , @TomSchmidt
    Q: what separates the Civilised World from the Barbarians?
    A: The English Channel.
    , @Anon
    The American colonials hated the French because of their religion.

    When the British expelled the French from their newly acquired colony of Nova Scotia because they were Catholics the French sailed for French Louisiana and became the Arcadians.

    Their plan was to hug the coast and stop as often as possible to feed the children up on milk and vegetables do laundry clean the ships etc.

    They were forbidden to put into any English colonial ports because they were Catholics. As a result many of the children died for lack of milk fruit and vegetables before they got to Florida.

    It was a long time ago.
    , @Anon
    I’ve read many posts on Amren, Occidental Observer and other pro White nationalist sites that the French are not White.

    Most of those posters claim that only British, Scandinavians and Germans are White. Even the German Czechs Swiss and Austrians are not White because they don’t actually live in the present day boundaries of Germany.

    FKA MAX is one of them.
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  12. Barnard says:
    @Sarah Toga
    Yep. Lawler tries to say that Colonial Americans viewed the French as non-white. ??? I think the historical record shows that Colonial Americans viewed the French as very able and advanced. The Americans recruited French military support in the War for Independence. The French Navy was a yuuuge factor in the outcome. French officers were present when the Brits surrendered to George Washington. It seems Lawler is quite the would-be deceiver.

    Lawler is trying to say the founding of the United States is multicultural and diverse and as a result of that we should be willing to accept any third worlder who wants to move here today. This is a common tactic among the left today. Brimelow’s counterpoint is that non British settlers were small in numbers outside of a few places and that they easily assimilated into the system the British settlers developed.

    There are people in Britain arguing that it has always been diverse because of the mix Normans, Scandinavians, Jutes, Angles and Saxons who settled the islands over time. The people who make this argument are either deeply cynical or stupid.

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    "deeply cynical or stupid."
     
    Embrace the power of "and."

    Other than that, agreed.
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  13. KenH says:

    Go ahead and clarify and correct the record if you must, but to a leftist and left wing activist in the MSM any white person who does not hate themselves and wish to see their people, culture and way of life perish from this earth is a Nazi and white supremacist. We aren’t going to talk, correct and clarify our way out of this and (((they))) aren’t going to let us either.

    No matter how much Jared Taylor insists that he’s not a white nationalist (he isn’t) and doesn’t harbor any ill will or hate towards blacks or Jews (he doesn’t) or disinvites wicked anti-semites from his conference like Paul Nehlen, he will always be considered a “slick Nazi”, a “Nazi in a suit and tie” or whatever else they can dream up to libel him. Honesty and accuracy has never been a virtue on the left.

    For the most part the Jewish led left sees all whites as a problem to be overcome and I don’t see a political solution which doesn’t bode well for either side.

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    The problem with being labelled a 'Nazi' is that the 'Nazis' simply did not do what they are accused of doing. And there is no proof they did.
    That's the reason why free speech about the so called 'holocau$t' is illegal in much of Europe and will be illegal in the US if Zionists have their way.

    It's easily shown that the sacred, incredibly stupid, but impossible '6M Jews' is pure bunk, a scam Jews have tried since at least 1823.

    The 'gas chambers' are simply laughable. Truly clownish nonsense.
    The fake 'gas chambers' could not have work as alleged, so they did not work as alleged.

    As the expression goes:

    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

     

    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau
    https://youtu.be/SUc6Y_E5zb0

    The Auschwitz "Gas Chamber" Illusion by Nicholas Kollerstrom
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9689

    www.codoh.com
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  14. anonomy says:

    Africans weren’t “African-Americans”, in 1830 or 1890 and they weren’t forced to go to war for the country until Vietnam.

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  15. anonomy says:

    Oh and when exactly did Indians become American Citizens? They have their own lands for their tribes and laws that govern them, they weren’t forced to fight either, there’s reasons for this.
    Wow, who is the person who dreamed up all this non-sense? America or the United States as a country and government was created by white people, period. That government protects it’s lands and people (supposedly), in theory. America as a country with a government was started by white people, not the Indians or the Africans, but by those who would become Americans.
    And as a white supremacist I would only want white people working for me and would leave other people right in their own country. I’ve noticed white supremacists want more people of color around so they can rule over them.

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  16. Wally says:
    @KenH
    Go ahead and clarify and correct the record if you must, but to a leftist and left wing activist in the MSM any white person who does not hate themselves and wish to see their people, culture and way of life perish from this earth is a Nazi and white supremacist. We aren't going to talk, correct and clarify our way out of this and (((they))) aren't going to let us either.

    No matter how much Jared Taylor insists that he's not a white nationalist (he isn't) and doesn't harbor any ill will or hate towards blacks or Jews (he doesn't) or disinvites wicked anti-semites from his conference like Paul Nehlen, he will always be considered a "slick Nazi", a "Nazi in a suit and tie" or whatever else they can dream up to libel him. Honesty and accuracy has never been a virtue on the left.

    For the most part the Jewish led left sees all whites as a problem to be overcome and I don't see a political solution which doesn't bode well for either side.

    The problem with being labelled a ‘Nazi’ is that the ‘Nazis’ simply did not do what they are accused of doing. And there is no proof they did.
    That’s the reason why free speech about the so called ‘holocau$t’ is illegal in much of Europe and will be illegal in the US if Zionists have their way.

    It’s easily shown that the sacred, incredibly stupid, but impossible ’6M Jews’ is pure bunk, a scam Jews have tried since at least 1823.

    The ‘gas chambers’ are simply laughable. Truly clownish nonsense.
    The fake ‘gas chambers’ could not have work as alleged, so they did not work as alleged.

    As the expression goes:

    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau

    The Auschwitz “Gas Chamber” Illusion by Nicholas Kollerstrom

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9689

    http://www.codoh.com

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    Oh, just stop it!
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  17. anonomy says:

    One more thing, sorry it’s not all one post, but I believe that’s why their was such a big push for democracy and everyone voting for intrusive government instead of the Republic it was and only vested interests could vote and be in the administration of the federal government, well that’s my opinion on it. Jews or anyone else couldn’t take control of power if they couldn’t vote :(
    I also believe that is why they are always pushing for a constitutional convention to cement the things they have done to country and then it’s theirs and no longer yours, well it’s theirs now anyway, we gave it away and there is no reservation for us.

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    America has been ruled by the judiciary since Marburg vs Madison 1804.

    Jews have controlled the judiciary to destroy Whites since 1956
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  18. @ThreeCranes
    Well, I've lived as an "Indian" in a tepee of my own making in the wilderness of the West and I've lived as a farmer, raising sheep and growing fruit and I have this to offer.

    There is an unbridgeable gulf between the two. A farmer is as ill equipped to regress to the lifestyle and habits of a hunter/gatherer as is the opposite. It's one-or-the-other, as the modern study of population genetics attests.

    It doesn't surprise me in the least that the early colonists struggled to survive in a land in which they could not immediately enjoy a reliable yield of crops. All the Indians had to do to exterminate them was starve them to death by killing their free-grazing cows, pigs, chickens and ducks and trample their vegetable gardens underfoot (which makes the slaughter of the buffalo of the Great Plains a sort of revenge, I suppose).

    So, contrary to the opinions of "historians" cited by Lawler above, I must disagree with the notion that the colonists didn't have the requisite skills to survive and were therefore somehow helpless babes--a fairly common critique gleefully offered up by the Left (their intention being to make the whites appear not merely as merciless exploiters, but incompetent boobs as well--as usual, the Left tries to have it both ways).

    It is generally a mistake to "misunderestimate" the capabilities of persons in the past. Whenever I encounter this argument I doubt the proponent's capacity to muster anything more worth listening to. Just because the lifestyle of our forebears is a mystery to us doesn't mean that it was a mystery to them.

    Lawler is obsessed with suggesting that the whites genetically merged with native Indians because to acknowledge that the natives slaughtered the white settlers would be to admit that they were not the multi-cultural, diversity-loving, peaceful, children-of-the-Garden phantasm that Liberals imagine. It would mean seeing them as blood-thirsty savages defending their turf in the most nationalistic fashion imaginable.

    In other words,

    we don’t have a darn clue what happened and it doesn’t really matter save for . . . well, whatever.

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  19. First of all, it’s great to see Mr. Brimelow’s writing here on Unz directly. (Hello, Peter.) You had me really excited by that first excerpt in which you were good friends with Steves Miller and Bannon. I was about to write “where are our immigration moratorium and southern border barrier (more here and here)? It was a let down when you had to disabuse us of the notion that you knew these guys well.

    I’m not really sure what Mr. Lawler’s problem is with your views. Does he want the URL that badly? He admits that not much has been found of the Roanoke colony and no findings back up his theory that those colonists were “assimilated”. (Possibly in the Lumber dialect, “to assimilate” means “to cook over an open fire”, I dunno.) It sounds to me like this Mr. Lawler just wants to keep in good graces with Mr. Bezo’s rag by aligning some pro-white-destruction talk with his research work. Gotta keep the funds coming in …

    I’ll tell you one more thing. I understand your reasons for picking the URL based on avoiding confusion, ease-of-remembrance, etc., but after > 15 years of reading, it’s the content that I’m thinking of, not the name anyway. I guess the young kids use these things called bookmarks. They don’t know how to type.

    Keep up the good work at VDare.com, all of y’all!

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  20. @Jake
    "What’s really astonishing is so many White folks have come to believe the only responses to this bullpuckey are slavish acquiescence and ritualist goodthinking or KKK-Nazi-style high jinks. I’m convinced a straightforward, calm expose of these crap ideas is possible, but I’m clearly in the minority."



    If you understood the great truth that The Emperor's New Clothes tells about human nature (when 'authority figures repeat something over and over, the masses accept it, even when it is utterly absurd), then you would be almost the opposite of astonished that so many Whites have come to believe this stuff.

    To make that point in a way that will offend Brimelow and his VDARE crowd: when the UK authorities (beginning with Henry VIII's reign and intensifying greatly under Cromwell, with no meaningful backing away until languages and local cultures and local/non-WASP historical memory were nearly exterminated) focused on ending any potential opposition to their rule throughout what by compromise they agreed to call the British Isles (the root word of 'Britain' is P-Celtic, not Anglo-Saxon/Germanic), they did so by with never ending messaging that those who were WASP in either family heritage or at least total cultural acceptance were inherently superior to those who were not WASP, which to the WASP mind equalled a moral right to act to exterminate all expression of the non-WASPs.

    It worked over time. Before the height of the Victorian era, it was a given among the most low IQ and criminally inclined English that they were born superior to the much less intelligent of the British Isles, who just so happened not to be what in America would be labeled WASPs. And the peoples of Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and the Celtic fringes of England also believed it and accepted being treated as inferior until such time as they proved they loved and would serve the system that declared them inferior and any expression of their cultural heritage evil.

    The English built the world's largest empire with endless divide and conquer that always featured using brutal force followed by minimal carrots for those who stopped resisting in order to rule and begin the process of leading the conquered to think like WASPs. The conquered were trained to distance themselves from their actual heritage in order to serve the WASP empire.

    That is the reason English is the global language.

    What is most funny about exchanges like this one between Brimelow and this typical PC jackdaw is that neither is sufficiently astute to recognize that this is a replay of earlier such scenes in the now more than half a millennium war to obliterate any vestige of Christendom. Brimelow and his WASPs used to control the world domination and the 'torture chambers,' and now they are added to the list of those to be forced to destroy their entire identity in order to part allowed merely to live in the new world of Anglophone Progress.

    Brimelow, Derbyshire, Fulford et. al., are unaware that in their always reappearing articles lauding contempt for non-WASP whites (with special hatred for Irish Catholics), they are like the Old Bosheviks trying to avoid being purged to death by those that their political/cultural/moral beliefs and actions produced.

    The WASP war against Christendom gave us this world of the suicide of the West. For example, it was WASPs who invented the religion of Abolitionism, and they did it on both sides of the Atlantic. And that religion of Abolitionism had zero interest in freeing whites owned by Mohammedans, because it was only interested in ending slavery of blacks. That total focus on freeing all blacks while also delighting in financially and socially destroying, even killing, all whites who were part of the world that included slavery of blacks.

    WASP Abolitionism never bothered to think about using force to punish blacks who caught other blacks to sell as slaves, because WASP Abolitionism was about WASPs proving their moral superiority over whites they despised and wished to destroy.

    Need another example? The first feminists were all WASP - 100%. For at least three generations of Feminism, the focus always came back to those backward 'ethnic' whites who must be freed by being re-fashioned in the image of the WASP woman.

    Abolitionism + Feminism birthed from among the educated wealthy of culture = what for that culture long term?

    The VDARE crowd is incapable of recognizing that WASP culture has always been warring - successfully warring - to remove any trace of Christendom, to replace Christendom with WASP empire. It is, therefore, a revolutionary idea, a revolutionary calling, a revolutionary identity. And now that it has fully infected the globe, it is turning on its own most inner core. That is the natural lifespan of a revolutionary drive. Once the founding core has served its purpose, it is destroyed from within, so the Revolution can continue.

    I would guess that just as Old Bolsheviks went to their executions certain that the Revolution was perfect, the VDARE type will die certain that more WASPism would have saved civilization. Their last article likely will be in praise of the Know-Nothings with reference to Oliver Cromwell making that deal with Jews so the nascent WASPs could keep slaughtering non-WASP white Christians.

    I appreciate your knowledge of some British history, Jake. However, you should realize that all the groups of people you wrote about are on the same side NOW. I’m not one of those “do try to keep up” snarky internet guys, but man, TRY TO KEEP UP! We’re on the same team.

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  21. anon[248] • Disclaimer says:

    Brimelow is a national treasure.
    Whoever has not yet read “Alien Nation” does not get to enter the Cool Kids club.

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  22. lavoisier says: • Website

    There’s just a lot of anti-white (and anti-Anglo) prejudice in the American chattering class.

    Indeed. And this Lawler creep exemplifies not only his anti-white prejudice, but his completely predictable stupidity, dishonesty, and treacherous nature.

    Scumbag by any other name.

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  23. @JackOH
    " . . . [A] determination to extirpate every vestige of white America from the land they carved out of the wilderness."

    Yes, that's how I'm seeing things. That extirpation has been enabled by a half-century of demoralizing laws and practices, such as affirmative action, and the infiltration of subversive Black Supremacist, feminist, and other ideologies into the public mind. There's not a lot of deep-think to it.

    What's really astonishing is so many White folks have come to believe the only responses to this bullpuckey are slavish acquiescence and ritualist goodthinking or KKK-Nazi-style high jinks. I'm convinced a straightforward, calm expose of these crap ideas is possible, but I'm clearly in the minority.

    Jack in Ohio, I agreed with you until the last sentence there, so I’m in the majority -

    I’m convinced a straightforward, calm expose of these crap ideas is possible, but I’m clearly in the minority.

    Like Pat Buchanan and others, you give the other side too much credit, and maybe you think we still live in a civil political environment. I don’t believe that’s the case now.

    You can make all the logical arguments you want. The other side may understand part or all of it. That doesn’t matter – what’s occurring now is what the Globalists and cntrl-left useful idiots WANT to occur. They don’t have to listen to us.

    I can see that nobody will ever dismantle the AA, the one-side socialism (I don’t like ANY sided socialism!), the total institutional disdain and policy against white males, and the statues and other parts of the culture, until lots of people feel lots of physical trauma. That’s only thing that will override their will to destroy the country, unless the still-majority that could defend America come together very soon, overcome their fear of being called names and take control of things.

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    Achmed, thanks. That line of mine that you block-quote is more aspirational than I actually feel. But, I sort of hate the idea of surrendering to the ideological horseshit that's poisoned America without giving rational discourse a shot.

    " . . . [T]otal institutional disdain and policy against white males . . .". At our local state university, public derogatory comments about White guys are very rare. But they're not challenged either. It's a dishonest racket, too, as most of the readers here know. Our masters want to stifle competition from White guys in favor of more pliant women, 'talented tenth" Blacks, gays, and what-not.

    " . . . "[P]hysical trauma" . . .". In some alternate universe, the impudent and destructive ideas behind affirmative action, the ethnic cleansing of Whites from America's cities, and so on would have been given the back of a hand or caning because--duh!--they would have been instantly recognized as impudent and destructive. We're not strong enough anymore, I guess.

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  24. anon[248] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    The mixed race question is important, since, as seems likely given recent archaeological finds, the Lost Colonists merged with Native American tribes in eastern North Carolina, who in turn merged with the growing African American populations around them (this seems true of the Lumbee as well, who have European and West African haplotypes and only, at most, a tiny percentage of Native American gene types, though direct tribe members did not participate in the study). By the late 19th century, all people of color in NC (setting aside the remnant Cherokee tribe in the mountains and the Lumbee who were granted Indian status based on Democratic politics of the 1880s) were classified by law as African American. Marriage with whites was forbidden. Therefore, if there are surviving Lost Colonist genes, they are within today’s African American community. So if Virginia Dare survived and had children, her descendants today are black. Whatever one thinks of American race issues, this does feel a little ironic, does it not?
     
    Well, of the two morons in this debate, this [above block quote] takes 1st place for presumptive idiocy.

    If one were to research the Native American hospitality rules of the era, it might likely be discovered the was no hard and fast circumstance that would keep any migrating Roanoke colonists local. They could have died out, they might have broken into several groups and altogether dispersed, or some remained local and others, not.

    A tongue-in-cheek understanding from a Native American humor point of view could be VD represents two separate but closely related phenomena... and as result of this you could as Chuck Norris what happened with VD in either case:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/04/07/thuck-norris/

    Or just ask any Indian:

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/05/24/essay-on-native-american-humor/

    ^

    To call Brimelow a “moron” automatically disqualifies anything you have to say. Attack his ideas, be a man. But you know very well he is highly intelligent and perceptive.
    Into the trash your comment goes, 90% unread :D

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  25. Yes, early America was more “diverse” than one might think, with colonies of Spain, UK, Sweden, Netherlands, France, etc. competing with each other.

    Not to mention American Indians were a much larger percentage of the population then than now.

    And yes, the word “race” has changed many times. We no longer speak of the French Race or the Irish Race the way we used to. At least I don’t.

    And yes, the colonists were by definition white supremacists, not always treating non-whites well.

    However, non-English Europeans were seen as very much different from Africans or Indians. They were seen as white, and had the rights and responsibilities of white people.

    I wonder if the XXXX weren’t considered white meme is to try to absolve the descendants of those ethnic groups of any collective guilt and responsibility for any misdeeds by white Americans.

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  26. They hate us for our skins.

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  27. Che Guava says:

    I found the questions tedious.

    Am curious about what the photo of the bleached-blonde, fake-teeth woman is supposed to mean.

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  28. JackOH says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Jack in Ohio, I agreed with you until the last sentence there, so I'm in the majority -

    I’m convinced a straightforward, calm expose of these crap ideas is possible, but I’m clearly in the minority.
     
    Like Pat Buchanan and others, you give the other side too much credit, and maybe you think we still live in a civil political environment. I don't believe that's the case now.

    You can make all the logical arguments you want. The other side may understand part or all of it. That doesn't matter - what's occurring now is what the Globalists and cntrl-left useful idiots WANT to occur. They don't have to listen to us.

    I can see that nobody will ever dismantle the AA, the one-side socialism (I don't like ANY sided socialism!), the total institutional disdain and policy against white males, and the statues and other parts of the culture, until lots of people feel lots of physical trauma. That's only thing that will override their will to destroy the country, unless the still-majority that could defend America come together very soon, overcome their fear of being called names and take control of things.

    Achmed, thanks. That line of mine that you block-quote is more aspirational than I actually feel. But, I sort of hate the idea of surrendering to the ideological horseshit that’s poisoned America without giving rational discourse a shot.

    ” . . . [T]otal institutional disdain and policy against white males . . .”. At our local state university, public derogatory comments about White guys are very rare. But they’re not challenged either. It’s a dishonest racket, too, as most of the readers here know. Our masters want to stifle competition from White guys in favor of more pliant women, ‘talented tenth” Blacks, gays, and what-not.

    ” . . . “[P]hysical trauma” . . .”. In some alternate universe, the impudent and destructive ideas behind affirmative action, the ethnic cleansing of Whites from America’s cities, and so on would have been given the back of a hand or caning because–duh!–they would have been instantly recognized as impudent and destructive. We’re not strong enough anymore, I guess.

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  29. @Sarah Toga
    Yep. Lawler tries to say that Colonial Americans viewed the French as non-white. ??? I think the historical record shows that Colonial Americans viewed the French as very able and advanced. The Americans recruited French military support in the War for Independence. The French Navy was a yuuuge factor in the outcome. French officers were present when the Brits surrendered to George Washington. It seems Lawler is quite the would-be deceiver.

    Q: what separates the Civilised World from the Barbarians?
    A: The English Channel.

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  30. @The Alarmist
    Ironic that Brimelow et al, the dissident right and race realists are considered by the MSM to be obsessed with race. The exchange here shows the interviewer being far more obsessed with race.

    As far as I’m concerned, what’s coming will look like the English Civil War, where neighbor-by-neighbor the chasm between belief becomes so wide and deep that interpersonal violence on a near-Rwandan Genocide level may result.

    I do know that the Left’s Lunatic Cult is off Sanity Island, and the rise of the Right is assured (simply because anything that’s not further Left in lunacy is, by definition, Right.)

    Maybe it won’t happen. Maybe this is New Nirvana. But that’s not the way to bet, I don’t think.

    As things stand now, the Geese that lay the golden eggs are under assault. We are not remotely a minority yet, and even if we were, those who seek to replace us are not us. This isn’t South Africa. What is ahead is either Mouse Utopia (because Leftism is the ecological suicide switch for too-successful humanity) or Idiocracy…which will end up in squalor and worse.

    Or else Nature will resume culling.

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    In my view, it will be a war of the cities versus the exurbs and country-side, but unlike the end of Roman and other civilisations of ancient times, the walls will be built by the folks in the hinterlands to keep the barbarians contained within the cities. Yeah, there will need to be border walls to keep the even bigger barbarian hordes out.
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  31. I remember reading Alien Nation.

    That was a very different time, when liberals such as I could actually read that book, agree with what was in it, and not be considered evil racist Nazis.

    These days anyone with the opinions Bill Clinton, Eugene McCarthy, Barbara Jordon, Gaylord Nelson, or others had back then is considered evil. Even certain California Democrats could espouse those opinions and be in the mainstream. The same California Democrats who worship illegal aliens now wanted them expelled back then.

    I noticed that Peter Brimelow made a number of dire predictions as to what would happen if the trends of that time continued.

    Dire, I tell you. DIRE!

    It turns out Mr. Brimelow’s predictions were very conservative. Reality is worse than what he predicted.

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    Indeed, P.L., but I'll have to differ on Bill Clinton. That guy doesn't really have principles at all but would go whichever way the wind and women blew. It worked out kinda good in some ways, such as welfare reform. However, he could say those things back then, and that's your point.

    I too have read Alien Nation, but long after it was published - I'd guess during the mid-00's, after having read a bunch of VDare.

    BTW, thanks for the additional information on the Beatnicks - weird, wacky stuff that I'd just never even known about until hearing Hey, Jack Kerouac
    , @Anon
    I’ve been watching the California political Ads for the coming election.

    Everyone one of them has the theme of
    I will defend immigrants against Donald Trump.
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  32. cezanne says:
    @cezanne
    The miscegenationists out there really do want to muddy the waters. Look at Harry and the Cheddar man. A full blown assault on whiteness is under sail and will not stop until it reaches a new continent or better yet, is blown out of the water by what's left of Americas real patriots. Do we need a new party something akin to the Tea Party, which espouses Historical American values and who will not bow to the leftist/jewish/negroid pressure machines? Yes we do! There is a strong power block allied against Pride in the White race and American History, CEO"s, jewish run media and Hollywood, Schools which encourage the sissyfieing of our male youth, Politicians which turn a blind eye to the atrocities committed daily by thugs (Nancy Pelosi, Schumer, Waters et. al.). Every day the assault and inroads continue to tear the fabric which binds together our forefathers and ourselves. Look at all the people making love to their phones all day! They touch and look and touch and look more than they do with their family! That is an abomination that no one wants to talk about. Thank God for President Trump, but he is not and cannot be our sole answer to the deadly dilemma which faces us today! No more statues taken down, Jesus Christ back in schools, taking the Butt back out of the Butt Scouts of America! Speak up, Speak out, be proud, UNITE!

    you folks who are turning a blind eye to the destruction of America via these races which do not want to assimilate are part of the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jewed down in order to appear normal.

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  33. renfro says:

    If anyone wants to make sense of this conversation —first recognize the fact that Lawler is of a group of writers who make a living by trotting out some anti historical theory. Next he will write a book about how the people who thought the world was flat were actually right and the world just became round over a period of time…iow….any gimmick to sell a book. You know the type.

    Since I am from the Outer Banks and have almost every book and research report ever written about our Lost Colony let me share a few things.

    There were no blacks or Jews in Raleigh’s first or second attempt –1584 and 1587 to create a colony on Roanoke Island. The first Jew ever shipped into NC was a Frenchman ,Elias Legarde, who was sent in 1624 almost a century later to help establish vineyards for wine making for colonist Anthonie Bonall. You can still visit those vineyards in Elizabeth City NC. The British ships during that time twice encountered Spanish ships with blacks aboard—-if they had been successful in pirating the Spanish ships they would have kept the blacks on board as ship labor as the Spanish did. However they wernt successful.
    Almost all researchers agree that some of the lost colony did integrate with friendly local Indian tribes and some may have been killed by other local tribes that were not friendly.
    The word ‘ Crotoan’ that Raleigh’s second exploration found carved into a tree could have referred to string of islands off Roanoke they might have moved to–which is now known as Hatterras Island or could have referred to the Indian tribes that lived on and came and went from Crotoan. No one can say for certain what it was meant to idicate……that they went with the Indians or the Indians took them. Old documents in NC research do remark on “whites” being seen in Indian tribes doing such work as beating out copper bowls.

    That some original lost colonist may have survived unto themselves can be found in the ‘high tiders’ of the NC coast on Hatteras Island and the mainline coast south of Roanoke Island known as ”Down east”. The High Tider or “Hoi Toider” still speaks to this day in the dialect of ‘Old English’ –as would have been spoken by the English on Roanoke Island.
    One theory also held by some experts for the survival of a few colonist has to do with the weather of the Outer Banks which can be fierce…nor’easterns can make Cat 4 hurricanes look like babies—once in my lifetime, on Ash Wednesday, the Outer banks was flooded entirely by the sea. It is possible that in the three years of disappearances storms drove some of the Lost Colony inhabitants north or south or further inland to escape storms.

    As an interesting aside…the Queen of England sends a new Union Jack flag to the Outer Banks every year where they fly over two cemeteries on Hatteras .The High Tiders had become experienced sea man as they made their living fishing so basically they became the coast guard of WWII along the banks and went to rescue sailors and recover bodies. This was not well known at the time because the US did not want Americans to know that German submarines were just off our shore and sunk many ship plying the sea lane along the coast. So every May 12 Royal Navy sailors lay wreaths on the graves, while local villagers read the names of the dead in the distinctly Gaelic-derived brogue of Island.
    The mystery of the Lost Colony will always be talked about but North Carolina’s gray eyed and blue eyed Indians and the old English dialect of the remote community of the High Tiders are proof enough some survived from the English settlement.

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  34. @The Alarmist
    Ironic that Brimelow et al, the dissident right and race realists are considered by the MSM to be obsessed with race. The exchange here shows the interviewer being far more obsessed with race.

    “The exchange here shows the interviewer being far more obsessed with race.”

    An excellent observation.

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  35. @dc.sunsets
    As far as I'm concerned, what's coming will look like the English Civil War, where neighbor-by-neighbor the chasm between belief becomes so wide and deep that interpersonal violence on a near-Rwandan Genocide level may result.

    I do know that the Left's Lunatic Cult is off Sanity Island, and the rise of the Right is assured (simply because anything that's not further Left in lunacy is, by definition, Right.)

    Maybe it won't happen. Maybe this is New Nirvana. But that's not the way to bet, I don't think.

    As things stand now, the Geese that lay the golden eggs are under assault. We are not remotely a minority yet, and even if we were, those who seek to replace us are not us. This isn't South Africa. What is ahead is either Mouse Utopia (because Leftism is the ecological suicide switch for too-successful humanity) or Idiocracy...which will end up in squalor and worse.

    Or else Nature will resume culling.

    In my view, it will be a war of the cities versus the exurbs and country-side, but unlike the end of Roman and other civilisations of ancient times, the walls will be built by the folks in the hinterlands to keep the barbarians contained within the cities. Yeah, there will need to be border walls to keep the even bigger barbarian hordes out.

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  36. @ThreeCranes
    Well, I've lived as an "Indian" in a tepee of my own making in the wilderness of the West and I've lived as a farmer, raising sheep and growing fruit and I have this to offer.

    There is an unbridgeable gulf between the two. A farmer is as ill equipped to regress to the lifestyle and habits of a hunter/gatherer as is the opposite. It's one-or-the-other, as the modern study of population genetics attests.

    It doesn't surprise me in the least that the early colonists struggled to survive in a land in which they could not immediately enjoy a reliable yield of crops. All the Indians had to do to exterminate them was starve them to death by killing their free-grazing cows, pigs, chickens and ducks and trample their vegetable gardens underfoot (which makes the slaughter of the buffalo of the Great Plains a sort of revenge, I suppose).

    So, contrary to the opinions of "historians" cited by Lawler above, I must disagree with the notion that the colonists didn't have the requisite skills to survive and were therefore somehow helpless babes--a fairly common critique gleefully offered up by the Left (their intention being to make the whites appear not merely as merciless exploiters, but incompetent boobs as well--as usual, the Left tries to have it both ways).

    It is generally a mistake to "misunderestimate" the capabilities of persons in the past. Whenever I encounter this argument I doubt the proponent's capacity to muster anything more worth listening to. Just because the lifestyle of our forebears is a mystery to us doesn't mean that it was a mystery to them.

    Lawler is obsessed with suggesting that the whites genetically merged with native Indians because to acknowledge that the natives slaughtered the white settlers would be to admit that they were not the multi-cultural, diversity-loving, peaceful, children-of-the-Garden phantasm that Liberals imagine. It would mean seeing them as blood-thirsty savages defending their turf in the most nationalistic fashion imaginable.

    I’ve always thought the natives slaughtered the white settlers of the Lost Colony of Roanoke.

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  37. @Paleo Liberal
    I remember reading Alien Nation.

    That was a very different time, when liberals such as I could actually read that book, agree with what was in it, and not be considered evil racist Nazis.

    These days anyone with the opinions Bill Clinton, Eugene McCarthy, Barbara Jordon, Gaylord Nelson, or others had back then is considered evil. Even certain California Democrats could espouse those opinions and be in the mainstream. The same California Democrats who worship illegal aliens now wanted them expelled back then.

    I noticed that Peter Brimelow made a number of dire predictions as to what would happen if the trends of that time continued.

    Dire, I tell you. DIRE!

    It turns out Mr. Brimelow's predictions were very conservative. Reality is worse than what he predicted.

    Indeed, P.L., but I’ll have to differ on Bill Clinton. That guy doesn’t really have principles at all but would go whichever way the wind and women blew. It worked out kinda good in some ways, such as welfare reform. However, he could say those things back then, and that’s your point.

    I too have read Alien Nation, but long after it was published – I’d guess during the mid-00′s, after having read a bunch of VDare.

    BTW, thanks for the additional information on the Beatnicks – weird, wacky stuff that I’d just never even known about until hearing Hey, Jack Kerouac

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    I used to know the Clintons, before they were really well known. Not that well, but I met them a few times.

    One time I was invited to a surprise birthday party for Bill, when he was running for governor of Arkansas.

    It was, without a doubt, the most boring party I had ever been too. I hate politician parties. There are some pictures of the party in Clinton's autobiography, but I am not in it. A friend of his hosted the party, and I was the date of one of the host's daughters. At one point my date and her sister and I all ran off to the Sonic Drive-in, since that was far more interesting than a politician's party.

    A friend of mine told me her brother was really into politics, and he once hosted a party for the fellow who was then governor of Pennsylvania. My friend told me that was the most boring party she had ever been to.

    So if anyone is upset that they have never been invited to a fancy politicians' party, just say you aren't missing much.
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  38. Forbes says:
    @Barnard
    Lawler is trying to say the founding of the United States is multicultural and diverse and as a result of that we should be willing to accept any third worlder who wants to move here today. This is a common tactic among the left today. Brimelow's counterpoint is that non British settlers were small in numbers outside of a few places and that they easily assimilated into the system the British settlers developed.

    There are people in Britain arguing that it has always been diverse because of the mix Normans, Scandinavians, Jutes, Angles and Saxons who settled the islands over time. The people who make this argument are either deeply cynical or stupid.

    “deeply cynical or stupid.”

    Embrace the power of “and.”

    Other than that, agreed.

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    Used that way, "or" implies "and/or."
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  39. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonomy
    One more thing, sorry it's not all one post, but I believe that's why their was such a big push for democracy and everyone voting for intrusive government instead of the Republic it was and only vested interests could vote and be in the administration of the federal government, well that's my opinion on it. Jews or anyone else couldn't take control of power if they couldn't vote :(
    I also believe that is why they are always pushing for a constitutional convention to cement the things they have done to country and then it's theirs and no longer yours, well it's theirs now anyway, we gave it away and there is no reservation for us.

    America has been ruled by the judiciary since Marburg vs Madison 1804.

    Jews have controlled the judiciary to destroy Whites since 1956

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    "America has been ruled by the judiciary since Marburg vs Madison 1804."

    Actually, America has been ruled by the three branches of government since 1787.

    "Jews have controlled the judiciary to destroy Whites since 1956."

    No, that would be Fake News.
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  40. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @TomSchmidt
    Q: what separates the Civilised World from the Barbarians?
    A: The English Channel.

    The Wogs begin at Calais.

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    I demurred from that one. Also a good bit of Brit humour.
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  41. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    I remember reading Alien Nation.

    That was a very different time, when liberals such as I could actually read that book, agree with what was in it, and not be considered evil racist Nazis.

    These days anyone with the opinions Bill Clinton, Eugene McCarthy, Barbara Jordon, Gaylord Nelson, or others had back then is considered evil. Even certain California Democrats could espouse those opinions and be in the mainstream. The same California Democrats who worship illegal aliens now wanted them expelled back then.

    I noticed that Peter Brimelow made a number of dire predictions as to what would happen if the trends of that time continued.

    Dire, I tell you. DIRE!

    It turns out Mr. Brimelow's predictions were very conservative. Reality is worse than what he predicted.

    I’ve been watching the California political Ads for the coming election.

    Everyone one of them has the theme of
    I will defend immigrants against Donald Trump.

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    I am disgusted to see what has happened to the Democratic Party.

    I still vote for them, just because I hate the GOP even more. (I am in Wisconsin, the home of Paul Ryan and Scott Walker).

    Just as some of you vote GOP even when there are some horrible candidates because you hate the Democrats even more.
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  42. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro
    If anyone wants to make sense of this conversation ---first recognize the fact that Lawler is of a group of writers who make a living by trotting out some anti historical theory. Next he will write a book about how the people who thought the world was flat were actually right and the world just became round over a period of time...iow....any gimmick to sell a book. You know the type.

    Since I am from the Outer Banks and have almost every book and research report ever written about our Lost Colony let me share a few things.

    There were no blacks or Jews in Raleigh's first or second attempt --1584 and 1587 to create a colony on Roanoke Island. The first Jew ever shipped into NC was a Frenchman ,Elias Legarde, who was sent in 1624 almost a century later to help establish vineyards for wine making for colonist Anthonie Bonall. You can still visit those vineyards in Elizabeth City NC. The British ships during that time twice encountered Spanish ships with blacks aboard----if they had been successful in pirating the Spanish ships they would have kept the blacks on board as ship labor as the Spanish did. However they wernt successful.
    Almost all researchers agree that some of the lost colony did integrate with friendly local Indian tribes and some may have been killed by other local tribes that were not friendly.
    The word ' Crotoan' that Raleigh's second exploration found carved into a tree could have referred to string of islands off Roanoke they might have moved to--which is now known as Hatterras Island or could have referred to the Indian tribes that lived on and came and went from Crotoan. No one can say for certain what it was meant to idicate......that they went with the Indians or the Indians took them. Old documents in NC research do remark on "whites" being seen in Indian tribes doing such work as beating out copper bowls.

    That some original lost colonist may have survived unto themselves can be found in the 'high tiders' of the NC coast on Hatteras Island and the mainline coast south of Roanoke Island known as ''Down east''. The High Tider or "Hoi Toider" still speaks to this day in the dialect of 'Old English' --as would have been spoken by the English on Roanoke Island.
    One theory also held by some experts for the survival of a few colonist has to do with the weather of the Outer Banks which can be fierce...nor'easterns can make Cat 4 hurricanes look like babies---once in my lifetime, on Ash Wednesday, the Outer banks was flooded entirely by the sea. It is possible that in the three years of disappearances storms drove some of the Lost Colony inhabitants north or south or further inland to escape storms.

    As an interesting aside...the Queen of England sends a new Union Jack flag to the Outer Banks every year where they fly over two cemeteries on Hatteras .The High Tiders had become experienced sea man as they made their living fishing so basically they became the coast guard of WWII along the banks and went to rescue sailors and recover bodies. This was not well known at the time because the US did not want Americans to know that German submarines were just off our shore and sunk many ship plying the sea lane along the coast. So every May 12 Royal Navy sailors lay wreaths on the graves, while local villagers read the names of the dead in the distinctly Gaelic-derived brogue of Island.
    The mystery of the Lost Colony will always be talked about but North Carolina's gray eyed and blue eyed Indians and the old English dialect of the remote community of the High Tiders are proof enough some survived from the English settlement.

    Thanks very much for the research and information.

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  43. Wally says:
    @Mishra

    “Virginia Dare and the myth of American whiteness.”
     
    They fervently await the day when white people themselves are nothing but a myth.

    That the WP publishes a hatchet job on this topic will surprise no one.

    Thanks for setting the record straight, Mr Brimelow.

    Then who will the pay for everyone else’s free ride?

    Blacks & browns on welfare?

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    They believe that once Whites are out of the way and no longer holding down people of color, the POC will rise to the same level of success and prosperity so they will continue to pay the taxes and develop the economy. It is what I call Amos ‘n Andy world. Being an old guy I used to watch the TV show in the ‘50s and everyone in the show was black, but lived in a alternate reality which looked exactly like a middle class America. The doctors, judges, lawyers were all black, and the street scenes were full of well dressed, well spoken, polite blacks in dresses or suits, peacefully going about their business.
    I’m not making that up, they are perfectly sincere in their belief that things will be like that once Whites are exterminated or subjugated. They are basically like Tiny Duck’s parody of them.
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  44. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @JackOH
    " . . . [A] determination to extirpate every vestige of white America from the land they carved out of the wilderness."

    Yes, that's how I'm seeing things. That extirpation has been enabled by a half-century of demoralizing laws and practices, such as affirmative action, and the infiltration of subversive Black Supremacist, feminist, and other ideologies into the public mind. There's not a lot of deep-think to it.

    What's really astonishing is so many White folks have come to believe the only responses to this bullpuckey are slavish acquiescence and ritualist goodthinking or KKK-Nazi-style high jinks. I'm convinced a straightforward, calm expose of these crap ideas is possible, but I'm clearly in the minority.

    American history began in 1880 when the Jews of Russia learned that by granting them civil rights the Russian government also demanded they fulfill their civic responsibilities such as paying taxes and being subject to the draft.

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    You think that's bad? The Germans actually forced some of them to perform manual labor.
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  45. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sarah Toga
    Yep. Lawler tries to say that Colonial Americans viewed the French as non-white. ??? I think the historical record shows that Colonial Americans viewed the French as very able and advanced. The Americans recruited French military support in the War for Independence. The French Navy was a yuuuge factor in the outcome. French officers were present when the Brits surrendered to George Washington. It seems Lawler is quite the would-be deceiver.

    The American colonials hated the French because of their religion.

    When the British expelled the French from their newly acquired colony of Nova Scotia because they were Catholics the French sailed for French Louisiana and became the Arcadians.

    Their plan was to hug the coast and stop as often as possible to feed the children up on milk and vegetables do laundry clean the ships etc.

    They were forbidden to put into any English colonial ports because they were Catholics. As a result many of the children died for lack of milk fruit and vegetables before they got to Florida.

    It was a long time ago.

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  46. @Achmed E. Newman
    Indeed, P.L., but I'll have to differ on Bill Clinton. That guy doesn't really have principles at all but would go whichever way the wind and women blew. It worked out kinda good in some ways, such as welfare reform. However, he could say those things back then, and that's your point.

    I too have read Alien Nation, but long after it was published - I'd guess during the mid-00's, after having read a bunch of VDare.

    BTW, thanks for the additional information on the Beatnicks - weird, wacky stuff that I'd just never even known about until hearing Hey, Jack Kerouac

    I used to know the Clintons, before they were really well known. Not that well, but I met them a few times.

    One time I was invited to a surprise birthday party for Bill, when he was running for governor of Arkansas.

    It was, without a doubt, the most boring party I had ever been too. I hate politician parties. There are some pictures of the party in Clinton’s autobiography, but I am not in it. A friend of his hosted the party, and I was the date of one of the host’s daughters. At one point my date and her sister and I all ran off to the Sonic Drive-in, since that was far more interesting than a politician’s party.

    A friend of mine told me her brother was really into politics, and he once hosted a party for the fellow who was then governor of Pennsylvania. My friend told me that was the most boring party she had ever been to.

    So if anyone is upset that they have never been invited to a fancy politicians’ party, just say you aren’t missing much.

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  47. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sarah Toga
    Yep. Lawler tries to say that Colonial Americans viewed the French as non-white. ??? I think the historical record shows that Colonial Americans viewed the French as very able and advanced. The Americans recruited French military support in the War for Independence. The French Navy was a yuuuge factor in the outcome. French officers were present when the Brits surrendered to George Washington. It seems Lawler is quite the would-be deceiver.

    I’ve read many posts on Amren, Occidental Observer and other pro White nationalist sites that the French are not White.

    Most of those posters claim that only British, Scandinavians and Germans are White. Even the German Czechs Swiss and Austrians are not White because they don’t actually live in the present day boundaries of Germany.

    FKA MAX is one of them.

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    Holy nonsequiturs Batman.

    Actually, it's as much a pack of really stupid lies ("most," my ass) as a nonsequitur, but whatever.

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  48. @Anon
    I’ve been watching the California political Ads for the coming election.

    Everyone one of them has the theme of
    I will defend immigrants against Donald Trump.

    I am disgusted to see what has happened to the Democratic Party.

    I still vote for them, just because I hate the GOP even more. (I am in Wisconsin, the home of Paul Ryan and Scott Walker).

    Just as some of you vote GOP even when there are some horrible candidates because you hate the Democrats even more.

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    Ever hear of a vote pact?

    (different anon)
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  49. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    I am disgusted to see what has happened to the Democratic Party.

    I still vote for them, just because I hate the GOP even more. (I am in Wisconsin, the home of Paul Ryan and Scott Walker).

    Just as some of you vote GOP even when there are some horrible candidates because you hate the Democrats even more.

    Ever hear of a vote pact?

    (different anon)

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    Ever hear of a vote pact?
     
    ... or a man named Ron Paul?
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  50. @Anon
    The Wogs begin at Calais.

    I demurred from that one. Also a good bit of Brit humour.

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    It's getting to be true in any case thanks to immigration.
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  51. @Anon
    Ever hear of a vote pact?

    (different anon)

    Ever hear of a vote pact?

    … or a man named Ron Paul?

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  52. Saxon says:
    @TomSchmidt
    I demurred from that one. Also a good bit of Brit humour.

    It’s getting to be true in any case thanks to immigration.

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    There’s a proposal to rename England and Scotland Wogland

    There are 2 TV series titled the Windsor’s on Netflix now. One is the usual vomit inducing stuff about the Royal family since Elizabeth married Philip. Didn’t watch it at all, just assumed it’s the usual vomit inducing garbage about the alleged constitutional crises involving the royals.

    Second and far far better is the satirical one. ER and Phillip are not in the show. It is puerile, coarse rude crude and wonderful. The actress who plays Camilla steals the show.

    Diana turned me off the royals. So I never watched Diana’s famous TV interview until a couple weeks ago when I had to stay off my feet because of a broken bone. So I watched that interview

    Whine, whine, whine The worst was when she complained about William’s christening The event was all about the baby horrors!! She also complained that she had just given birth Actually 6 weeks before, plenty of time to recover.

    My English relatives call the royal family the krauts.

    They also firmly believe that Victoria’s father was not Prince Edward Duke of Kent son of George 3 but some random German sperm donor her mother used to fulfill her part of the contract .
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  53. DFH says:
    @Jake
    "What’s really astonishing is so many White folks have come to believe the only responses to this bullpuckey are slavish acquiescence and ritualist goodthinking or KKK-Nazi-style high jinks. I’m convinced a straightforward, calm expose of these crap ideas is possible, but I’m clearly in the minority."



    If you understood the great truth that The Emperor's New Clothes tells about human nature (when 'authority figures repeat something over and over, the masses accept it, even when it is utterly absurd), then you would be almost the opposite of astonished that so many Whites have come to believe this stuff.

    To make that point in a way that will offend Brimelow and his VDARE crowd: when the UK authorities (beginning with Henry VIII's reign and intensifying greatly under Cromwell, with no meaningful backing away until languages and local cultures and local/non-WASP historical memory were nearly exterminated) focused on ending any potential opposition to their rule throughout what by compromise they agreed to call the British Isles (the root word of 'Britain' is P-Celtic, not Anglo-Saxon/Germanic), they did so by with never ending messaging that those who were WASP in either family heritage or at least total cultural acceptance were inherently superior to those who were not WASP, which to the WASP mind equalled a moral right to act to exterminate all expression of the non-WASPs.

    It worked over time. Before the height of the Victorian era, it was a given among the most low IQ and criminally inclined English that they were born superior to the much less intelligent of the British Isles, who just so happened not to be what in America would be labeled WASPs. And the peoples of Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and the Celtic fringes of England also believed it and accepted being treated as inferior until such time as they proved they loved and would serve the system that declared them inferior and any expression of their cultural heritage evil.

    The English built the world's largest empire with endless divide and conquer that always featured using brutal force followed by minimal carrots for those who stopped resisting in order to rule and begin the process of leading the conquered to think like WASPs. The conquered were trained to distance themselves from their actual heritage in order to serve the WASP empire.

    That is the reason English is the global language.

    What is most funny about exchanges like this one between Brimelow and this typical PC jackdaw is that neither is sufficiently astute to recognize that this is a replay of earlier such scenes in the now more than half a millennium war to obliterate any vestige of Christendom. Brimelow and his WASPs used to control the world domination and the 'torture chambers,' and now they are added to the list of those to be forced to destroy their entire identity in order to part allowed merely to live in the new world of Anglophone Progress.

    Brimelow, Derbyshire, Fulford et. al., are unaware that in their always reappearing articles lauding contempt for non-WASP whites (with special hatred for Irish Catholics), they are like the Old Bosheviks trying to avoid being purged to death by those that their political/cultural/moral beliefs and actions produced.

    The WASP war against Christendom gave us this world of the suicide of the West. For example, it was WASPs who invented the religion of Abolitionism, and they did it on both sides of the Atlantic. And that religion of Abolitionism had zero interest in freeing whites owned by Mohammedans, because it was only interested in ending slavery of blacks. That total focus on freeing all blacks while also delighting in financially and socially destroying, even killing, all whites who were part of the world that included slavery of blacks.

    WASP Abolitionism never bothered to think about using force to punish blacks who caught other blacks to sell as slaves, because WASP Abolitionism was about WASPs proving their moral superiority over whites they despised and wished to destroy.

    Need another example? The first feminists were all WASP - 100%. For at least three generations of Feminism, the focus always came back to those backward 'ethnic' whites who must be freed by being re-fashioned in the image of the WASP woman.

    Abolitionism + Feminism birthed from among the educated wealthy of culture = what for that culture long term?

    The VDARE crowd is incapable of recognizing that WASP culture has always been warring - successfully warring - to remove any trace of Christendom, to replace Christendom with WASP empire. It is, therefore, a revolutionary idea, a revolutionary calling, a revolutionary identity. And now that it has fully infected the globe, it is turning on its own most inner core. That is the natural lifespan of a revolutionary drive. Once the founding core has served its purpose, it is destroyed from within, so the Revolution can continue.

    I would guess that just as Old Bolsheviks went to their executions certain that the Revolution was perfect, the VDARE type will die certain that more WASPism would have saved civilization. Their last article likely will be in praise of the Know-Nothings with reference to Oliver Cromwell making that deal with Jews so the nascent WASPs could keep slaughtering non-WASP white Christians.

    The British empire hated Catholics so much that they allowed them autonomy in Quebec, gave them the right to vote, hold administrative and military offices and to have their own schools.

    If you were genuinely interested in historical enemies of Christianity generally or Catholicism in particular, it’s the French Republics or Bismark’s Kulturkampf that you would be talking about.

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    it’s the French Republics or Bismark’s Kulturkampf that you would be talking about.
     
    True.
    People sort of gloss over the reign of terror in the French revolution which included wiping out the Catholics.
    Robespierre, who was like our current 'Antifac ' thugs was the one who ordered the army to “depopulate the Vendée.” ...the heavily Catholic region of France . Estimates of the slaughtered are around 118,000 to 250,000.

    Some historians like Pierre Chaunu called the Vendée the first ideological genocide.
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  54. Ghost says:

    What a useless and uninteresting argument… Lawler, not Brimelow.

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  55. renfro says:
    @DFH
    The British empire hated Catholics so much that they allowed them autonomy in Quebec, gave them the right to vote, hold administrative and military offices and to have their own schools.

    If you were genuinely interested in historical enemies of Christianity generally or Catholicism in particular, it's the French Republics or Bismark's Kulturkampf that you would be talking about.

    it’s the French Republics or Bismark’s Kulturkampf that you would be talking about.

    True.
    People sort of gloss over the reign of terror in the French revolution which included wiping out the Catholics.
    Robespierre, who was like our current ‘Antifac ‘ thugs was the one who ordered the army to “depopulate the Vendée.” …the heavily Catholic region of France . Estimates of the slaughtered are around 118,000 to 250,000.

    Some historians like Pierre Chaunu called the Vendée the first ideological genocide.

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    Know why there are no Spanish living in Gibraltar? When the English conquered it they drive every person who lived there out because they were Catholics. Their property was confisticated and they were driven in foot to the border.

    The catholic religion was outlawed in England for 300 years and for most of those years it was a death penalty offense to be a catholic priest in England.

    The French revolutionaries did prosecute the Catholic Church but that only lasted till Napoleon took over, about 9 years. Incidentally the French revolutionaries developed Cayenne or Devils island as a gulag for Catholic priests. It was a death penalty offense to be a priest. The sight of priests being guillotined was a bit too much so they were sent to Devils island to die

    Bismarck was extremely anti catholic it is true. But Germany was about half catholic. And the most prosperous parts of Germany were the south and west, the catholic areas.

    So the Catholic Germans were well able to fight back In fact the word kulterkampf was the term used for their fight against Bismarck and his Lutherans

    You are right that the treaty of surrender of Canada to the English gave the Catholics of Quebec freedom of religion. But the English didn’t “give” it to them. It was a condition of the treaty.

    The French government held out till the English agreed to freedom of religion and limited self government for Quebec.

    The English held out for the sugar islands Haiti and Martinique The English didn’t really want the frozen waste of Canada that could barely feed itself England wanted the sugar islands .
    Haiti was the richest country in the world at the time because of the sugar. Those islands were what Britain really wanted in that war.

    And England didn’t win that war all by itself. It had the help of Austria and Spain the 7 years war.

    That treaty was the only time in 40o years the English didn’t confiscate the property of and destroy a Catholic population under its control
    And it wasn’t because of respect for freedom of religion. The French refused to surrender till freedom of religion and non confiscation of property was in the treaty for Quebec

    Plus the Québécois were just like the Americans, rough tough frontier types it would have been hard to subdue without ahuge military repressive presence such as the English maintained in Ireland and Scotland

    Don’t claim freedom of religion for Quebec forced on England as a prerequisite for French surrender after the 7 years war makes up for English treatment of English and Irish Catholics for 300 years in the case of the English and 400 in the case of the Irish.

    The English had to concede if they wanted to end 7 years war.

    Ireland should do to England what the Jews did to Germany after WW2 get reparations for what the English did to its oldest and worst treated colony.
    , @Anon
    Renee Boudereau is my greatest heroine. I’m very familiar with the Vendeen counter revolution. There’s dozens of books in the Lucius Geeen library at my university about it. That’s where I got interested.

    That particular horror show of the revolution wasn’t any more anti catholic than the rest of it.

    The major reason the Vendeens were against the revolution was the draft. Vendee , like the Netherlands was mostly land reclaimed from the sea starting about 400AD There was a huge system of dikes and drainage canals to keep it above water.

    In exchange for keeping the dykes and drainage system operating and also reclaiming more land the medieval French government granted Vendee exemption from the draft, many taxes and a lot of self government

    It was when the revolutionary and Napoleonic governments started drafting and taxing Vendeans that they rise in revolt which continued right up to 1815.

    Renee wrote her memoirs. A few university libraries have copies. The library of Congress has a copy. It will make copies and send you the pages. I’ve got the pages in a binder.

    The French Revolution was a project of Philip Orleans to get rid of his cousins and their sons to he could become King.

    It backfired badly. The rest was just property confiscation and looting the rest of Europe. It’s really a triumph of propaganda over truth.
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  56. Corvinus says:
    @Anon
    America has been ruled by the judiciary since Marburg vs Madison 1804.

    Jews have controlled the judiciary to destroy Whites since 1956

    “America has been ruled by the judiciary since Marburg vs Madison 1804.”

    Actually, America has been ruled by the three branches of government since 1787.

    “Jews have controlled the judiciary to destroy Whites since 1956.”

    No, that would be Fake News.

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    You’re a moron not worth arguing with. 3 equal branches of government? Where’d you get that, 7 grade civics class?
    , @anonymous
    So when you've no evidence or analysis to offer, why not register your (mere) disagreement with that convenient AGREE/DISAGREE/ETC button there on your screen?
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  57. Michelle says:
    @Wally
    The problem with being labelled a 'Nazi' is that the 'Nazis' simply did not do what they are accused of doing. And there is no proof they did.
    That's the reason why free speech about the so called 'holocau$t' is illegal in much of Europe and will be illegal in the US if Zionists have their way.

    It's easily shown that the sacred, incredibly stupid, but impossible '6M Jews' is pure bunk, a scam Jews have tried since at least 1823.

    The 'gas chambers' are simply laughable. Truly clownish nonsense.
    The fake 'gas chambers' could not have work as alleged, so they did not work as alleged.

    As the expression goes:

    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

     

    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau
    https://youtu.be/SUc6Y_E5zb0

    The Auschwitz "Gas Chamber" Illusion by Nicholas Kollerstrom
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9689

    www.codoh.com

    Oh, just stop it!

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    Why? Because your cognitive dissonance has overcome you?

    Truth hurts don't it?

    In the meantime we'll wait for your proof of the '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers'.

    www.codoh.com

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  58. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Saxon
    It's getting to be true in any case thanks to immigration.

    There’s a proposal to rename England and Scotland Wogland

    There are 2 TV series titled the Windsor’s on Netflix now. One is the usual vomit inducing stuff about the Royal family since Elizabeth married Philip. Didn’t watch it at all, just assumed it’s the usual vomit inducing garbage about the alleged constitutional crises involving the royals.

    Second and far far better is the satirical one. ER and Phillip are not in the show. It is puerile, coarse rude crude and wonderful. The actress who plays Camilla steals the show.

    Diana turned me off the royals. So I never watched Diana’s famous TV interview until a couple weeks ago when I had to stay off my feet because of a broken bone. So I watched that interview

    Whine, whine, whine The worst was when she complained about William’s christening The event was all about the baby horrors!! She also complained that she had just given birth Actually 6 weeks before, plenty of time to recover.

    My English relatives call the royal family the krauts.

    They also firmly believe that Victoria’s father was not Prince Edward Duke of Kent son of George 3 but some random German sperm donor her mother used to fulfill her part of the contract .

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    The importance of that Royal Wedding, as explained by an outside observer.

    Full Disclaimer: I do have a close connection with Queen Victoria. A 1st cousin of mine dated a guy who's Mom and Dad got shitfaced with some blokes who did lines of cocaine with the Kinks after a show in which they sang this song:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wejgyx3e4rY
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  59. Svigor says:
    @Forbes

    "deeply cynical or stupid."
     
    Embrace the power of "and."

    Other than that, agreed.

    Used that way, “or” implies “and/or.”

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  60. Svigor says:
    @Anon
    I’ve read many posts on Amren, Occidental Observer and other pro White nationalist sites that the French are not White.

    Most of those posters claim that only British, Scandinavians and Germans are White. Even the German Czechs Swiss and Austrians are not White because they don’t actually live in the present day boundaries of Germany.

    FKA MAX is one of them.

    Holy nonsequiturs Batman.

    Actually, it’s as much a pack of really stupid lies (“most,” my ass) as a nonsequitur, but whatever.

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  61. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    it’s the French Republics or Bismark’s Kulturkampf that you would be talking about.
     
    True.
    People sort of gloss over the reign of terror in the French revolution which included wiping out the Catholics.
    Robespierre, who was like our current 'Antifac ' thugs was the one who ordered the army to “depopulate the Vendée.” ...the heavily Catholic region of France . Estimates of the slaughtered are around 118,000 to 250,000.

    Some historians like Pierre Chaunu called the Vendée the first ideological genocide.

    Know why there are no Spanish living in Gibraltar? When the English conquered it they drive every person who lived there out because they were Catholics. Their property was confisticated and they were driven in foot to the border.

    The catholic religion was outlawed in England for 300 years and for most of those years it was a death penalty offense to be a catholic priest in England.

    The French revolutionaries did prosecute the Catholic Church but that only lasted till Napoleon took over, about 9 years. Incidentally the French revolutionaries developed Cayenne or Devils island as a gulag for Catholic priests. It was a death penalty offense to be a priest. The sight of priests being guillotined was a bit too much so they were sent to Devils island to die

    Bismarck was extremely anti catholic it is true. But Germany was about half catholic. And the most prosperous parts of Germany were the south and west, the catholic areas.

    So the Catholic Germans were well able to fight back In fact the word kulterkampf was the term used for their fight against Bismarck and his Lutherans

    You are right that the treaty of surrender of Canada to the English gave the Catholics of Quebec freedom of religion. But the English didn’t “give” it to them. It was a condition of the treaty.

    The French government held out till the English agreed to freedom of religion and limited self government for Quebec.

    The English held out for the sugar islands Haiti and Martinique The English didn’t really want the frozen waste of Canada that could barely feed itself England wanted the sugar islands .
    Haiti was the richest country in the world at the time because of the sugar. Those islands were what Britain really wanted in that war.

    And England didn’t win that war all by itself. It had the help of Austria and Spain the 7 years war.

    That treaty was the only time in 40o years the English didn’t confiscate the property of and destroy a Catholic population under its control
    And it wasn’t because of respect for freedom of religion. The French refused to surrender till freedom of religion and non confiscation of property was in the treaty for Quebec

    Plus the Québécois were just like the Americans, rough tough frontier types it would have been hard to subdue without ahuge military repressive presence such as the English maintained in Ireland and Scotland

    Don’t claim freedom of religion for Quebec forced on England as a prerequisite for French surrender after the 7 years war makes up for English treatment of English and Irish Catholics for 300 years in the case of the English and 400 in the case of the Irish.

    The English had to concede if they wanted to end 7 years war.

    Ireland should do to England what the Jews did to Germany after WW2 get reparations for what the English did to its oldest and worst treated colony.

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    Thanks for that more detailed history follow up to my comment...history always interesting and complicated.


    Note....
    And as a mongrel American of British, Irish and Scot heritage going way, way back to the mingling among them in the colonies-- the Irish in me says Ireland should get some BIG pay out from England.

    , @Anonymous

    Their property was confisticated
     
    Confistication?

    The horror! The horror!
    , @DFH

    The French revolutionaries did prosecute the Catholic Church but that only lasted till Napoleon took over, about 9 years.
     
    Firstly, the French persecution was much worse than anything that happened in Britain and secondly it is not true that it ended after 9 years, anti-clericalism continued under the second and third republics.

    The French government held out till the English agreed to freedom of religion and limited self government for Quebec.
     
    Only the free practise of Catholicism was included in the treaty, giving them autonomy was a decision made by Parliament in the Quebec act.

    When the English conquered it they drive every person who lived there out because they were Catholics. Their property was confisticated and they were driven in foot to the border.
     
    This never happened. There were always Catholics and Catholic churches in Gibraltar .

    That treaty was the only time in 40o years the English didn’t confiscate the property of and destroy a Catholic population under its control
     
    Not true. Nothing happened to Catholics in Malta or Minorca. The Catholic populations of Malta and Corsica asked for British protection. In fact the only Catholic population who have something to complain about are the Irish.
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  62. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "America has been ruled by the judiciary since Marburg vs Madison 1804."

    Actually, America has been ruled by the three branches of government since 1787.

    "Jews have controlled the judiciary to destroy Whites since 1956."

    No, that would be Fake News.

    You’re a moron not worth arguing with. 3 equal branches of government? Where’d you get that, 7 grade civics class?

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    "You’re a moron not worth arguing with. 3 equal branches of government?"

    Here's a primer on this important matter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EISWIY9bG8
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  63. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    it’s the French Republics or Bismark’s Kulturkampf that you would be talking about.
     
    True.
    People sort of gloss over the reign of terror in the French revolution which included wiping out the Catholics.
    Robespierre, who was like our current 'Antifac ' thugs was the one who ordered the army to “depopulate the Vendée.” ...the heavily Catholic region of France . Estimates of the slaughtered are around 118,000 to 250,000.

    Some historians like Pierre Chaunu called the Vendée the first ideological genocide.

    Renee Boudereau is my greatest heroine. I’m very familiar with the Vendeen counter revolution. There’s dozens of books in the Lucius Geeen library at my university about it. That’s where I got interested.

    That particular horror show of the revolution wasn’t any more anti catholic than the rest of it.

    The major reason the Vendeens were against the revolution was the draft. Vendee , like the Netherlands was mostly land reclaimed from the sea starting about 400AD There was a huge system of dikes and drainage canals to keep it above water.

    In exchange for keeping the dykes and drainage system operating and also reclaiming more land the medieval French government granted Vendee exemption from the draft, many taxes and a lot of self government

    It was when the revolutionary and Napoleonic governments started drafting and taxing Vendeans that they rise in revolt which continued right up to 1815.

    Renee wrote her memoirs. A few university libraries have copies. The library of Congress has a copy. It will make copies and send you the pages. I’ve got the pages in a binder.

    The French Revolution was a project of Philip Orleans to get rid of his cousins and their sons to he could become King.

    It backfired badly. The rest was just property confiscation and looting the rest of Europe. It’s really a triumph of propaganda over truth.

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  64. renfro says:
    @Anon
    Know why there are no Spanish living in Gibraltar? When the English conquered it they drive every person who lived there out because they were Catholics. Their property was confisticated and they were driven in foot to the border.

    The catholic religion was outlawed in England for 300 years and for most of those years it was a death penalty offense to be a catholic priest in England.

    The French revolutionaries did prosecute the Catholic Church but that only lasted till Napoleon took over, about 9 years. Incidentally the French revolutionaries developed Cayenne or Devils island as a gulag for Catholic priests. It was a death penalty offense to be a priest. The sight of priests being guillotined was a bit too much so they were sent to Devils island to die

    Bismarck was extremely anti catholic it is true. But Germany was about half catholic. And the most prosperous parts of Germany were the south and west, the catholic areas.

    So the Catholic Germans were well able to fight back In fact the word kulterkampf was the term used for their fight against Bismarck and his Lutherans

    You are right that the treaty of surrender of Canada to the English gave the Catholics of Quebec freedom of religion. But the English didn’t “give” it to them. It was a condition of the treaty.

    The French government held out till the English agreed to freedom of religion and limited self government for Quebec.

    The English held out for the sugar islands Haiti and Martinique The English didn’t really want the frozen waste of Canada that could barely feed itself England wanted the sugar islands .
    Haiti was the richest country in the world at the time because of the sugar. Those islands were what Britain really wanted in that war.

    And England didn’t win that war all by itself. It had the help of Austria and Spain the 7 years war.

    That treaty was the only time in 40o years the English didn’t confiscate the property of and destroy a Catholic population under its control
    And it wasn’t because of respect for freedom of religion. The French refused to surrender till freedom of religion and non confiscation of property was in the treaty for Quebec

    Plus the Québécois were just like the Americans, rough tough frontier types it would have been hard to subdue without ahuge military repressive presence such as the English maintained in Ireland and Scotland

    Don’t claim freedom of religion for Quebec forced on England as a prerequisite for French surrender after the 7 years war makes up for English treatment of English and Irish Catholics for 300 years in the case of the English and 400 in the case of the Irish.

    The English had to concede if they wanted to end 7 years war.

    Ireland should do to England what the Jews did to Germany after WW2 get reparations for what the English did to its oldest and worst treated colony.

    Thanks for that more detailed history follow up to my comment…history always interesting and complicated.

    Note….
    And as a mongrel American of British, Irish and Scot heritage going way, way back to the mingling among them in the colonies– the Irish in me says Ireland should get some BIG pay out from England.

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  65. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Know why there are no Spanish living in Gibraltar? When the English conquered it they drive every person who lived there out because they were Catholics. Their property was confisticated and they were driven in foot to the border.

    The catholic religion was outlawed in England for 300 years and for most of those years it was a death penalty offense to be a catholic priest in England.

    The French revolutionaries did prosecute the Catholic Church but that only lasted till Napoleon took over, about 9 years. Incidentally the French revolutionaries developed Cayenne or Devils island as a gulag for Catholic priests. It was a death penalty offense to be a priest. The sight of priests being guillotined was a bit too much so they were sent to Devils island to die

    Bismarck was extremely anti catholic it is true. But Germany was about half catholic. And the most prosperous parts of Germany were the south and west, the catholic areas.

    So the Catholic Germans were well able to fight back In fact the word kulterkampf was the term used for their fight against Bismarck and his Lutherans

    You are right that the treaty of surrender of Canada to the English gave the Catholics of Quebec freedom of religion. But the English didn’t “give” it to them. It was a condition of the treaty.

    The French government held out till the English agreed to freedom of religion and limited self government for Quebec.

    The English held out for the sugar islands Haiti and Martinique The English didn’t really want the frozen waste of Canada that could barely feed itself England wanted the sugar islands .
    Haiti was the richest country in the world at the time because of the sugar. Those islands were what Britain really wanted in that war.

    And England didn’t win that war all by itself. It had the help of Austria and Spain the 7 years war.

    That treaty was the only time in 40o years the English didn’t confiscate the property of and destroy a Catholic population under its control
    And it wasn’t because of respect for freedom of religion. The French refused to surrender till freedom of religion and non confiscation of property was in the treaty for Quebec

    Plus the Québécois were just like the Americans, rough tough frontier types it would have been hard to subdue without ahuge military repressive presence such as the English maintained in Ireland and Scotland

    Don’t claim freedom of religion for Quebec forced on England as a prerequisite for French surrender after the 7 years war makes up for English treatment of English and Irish Catholics for 300 years in the case of the English and 400 in the case of the Irish.

    The English had to concede if they wanted to end 7 years war.

    Ireland should do to England what the Jews did to Germany after WW2 get reparations for what the English did to its oldest and worst treated colony.

    Their property was confisticated

    Confistication?

    The horror! The horror!

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  66. SMK says: • Website
    @The Alarmist
    Ironic that Brimelow et al, the dissident right and race realists are considered by the MSM to be obsessed with race. The exchange here shows the interviewer being far more obsessed with race.

    Paradoxically, the left is obsessed with race because they view race as an “artificial social construct,” and thus the “myth of whiteness” can be “deconstructed” and thus “racism” and “white supremacy” can be eradicated by “anti-racist” and egalitarian inculcation and thought-control. The regnant post-Marxist “cultural Marxist” left is inherently totalitarian, given the dogma that racial differences are purely environment rather than essentially biological in causation.

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  67. DFH says:
    @Anon
    Know why there are no Spanish living in Gibraltar? When the English conquered it they drive every person who lived there out because they were Catholics. Their property was confisticated and they were driven in foot to the border.

    The catholic religion was outlawed in England for 300 years and for most of those years it was a death penalty offense to be a catholic priest in England.

    The French revolutionaries did prosecute the Catholic Church but that only lasted till Napoleon took over, about 9 years. Incidentally the French revolutionaries developed Cayenne or Devils island as a gulag for Catholic priests. It was a death penalty offense to be a priest. The sight of priests being guillotined was a bit too much so they were sent to Devils island to die

    Bismarck was extremely anti catholic it is true. But Germany was about half catholic. And the most prosperous parts of Germany were the south and west, the catholic areas.

    So the Catholic Germans were well able to fight back In fact the word kulterkampf was the term used for their fight against Bismarck and his Lutherans

    You are right that the treaty of surrender of Canada to the English gave the Catholics of Quebec freedom of religion. But the English didn’t “give” it to them. It was a condition of the treaty.

    The French government held out till the English agreed to freedom of religion and limited self government for Quebec.

    The English held out for the sugar islands Haiti and Martinique The English didn’t really want the frozen waste of Canada that could barely feed itself England wanted the sugar islands .
    Haiti was the richest country in the world at the time because of the sugar. Those islands were what Britain really wanted in that war.

    And England didn’t win that war all by itself. It had the help of Austria and Spain the 7 years war.

    That treaty was the only time in 40o years the English didn’t confiscate the property of and destroy a Catholic population under its control
    And it wasn’t because of respect for freedom of religion. The French refused to surrender till freedom of religion and non confiscation of property was in the treaty for Quebec

    Plus the Québécois were just like the Americans, rough tough frontier types it would have been hard to subdue without ahuge military repressive presence such as the English maintained in Ireland and Scotland

    Don’t claim freedom of religion for Quebec forced on England as a prerequisite for French surrender after the 7 years war makes up for English treatment of English and Irish Catholics for 300 years in the case of the English and 400 in the case of the Irish.

    The English had to concede if they wanted to end 7 years war.

    Ireland should do to England what the Jews did to Germany after WW2 get reparations for what the English did to its oldest and worst treated colony.

    The French revolutionaries did prosecute the Catholic Church but that only lasted till Napoleon took over, about 9 years.

    Firstly, the French persecution was much worse than anything that happened in Britain and secondly it is not true that it ended after 9 years, anti-clericalism continued under the second and third republics.

    The French government held out till the English agreed to freedom of religion and limited self government for Quebec.

    Only the free practise of Catholicism was included in the treaty, giving them autonomy was a decision made by Parliament in the Quebec act.

    When the English conquered it they drive every person who lived there out because they were Catholics. Their property was confisticated and they were driven in foot to the border.

    This never happened. There were always Catholics and Catholic churches in Gibraltar .

    That treaty was the only time in 40o years the English didn’t confiscate the property of and destroy a Catholic population under its control

    Not true. Nothing happened to Catholics in Malta or Minorca. The Catholic populations of Malta and Corsica asked for British protection. In fact the only Catholic population who have something to complain about are the Irish.

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  68. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "America has been ruled by the judiciary since Marburg vs Madison 1804."

    Actually, America has been ruled by the three branches of government since 1787.

    "Jews have controlled the judiciary to destroy Whites since 1956."

    No, that would be Fake News.

    So when you’ve no evidence or analysis to offer, why not register your (mere) disagreement with that convenient AGREE/DISAGREE/ETC button there on your screen?

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    P.S.

    My guess? Corvinus is a B++ troll, who enjoys mocking the brainwashed he echoes and simultaneously bagging commenters who fall for it and attempt good faith debate.
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  69. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    So when you've no evidence or analysis to offer, why not register your (mere) disagreement with that convenient AGREE/DISAGREE/ETC button there on your screen?

    P.S.

    My guess? Corvinus is a B++ troll, who enjoys mocking the brainwashed he echoes and simultaneously bagging commenters who fall for it and attempt good faith debate.

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  70. Corvinus says:
    @Anon
    You’re a moron not worth arguing with. 3 equal branches of government? Where’d you get that, 7 grade civics class?

    “You’re a moron not worth arguing with. 3 equal branches of government?”

    Here’s a primer on this important matter.

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  71. Alfa158 says:
    @Wally
    Then who will the pay for everyone else's free ride?

    Blacks & browns on welfare?

    They believe that once Whites are out of the way and no longer holding down people of color, the POC will rise to the same level of success and prosperity so they will continue to pay the taxes and develop the economy. It is what I call Amos ‘n Andy world. Being an old guy I used to watch the TV show in the ‘50s and everyone in the show was black, but lived in a alternate reality which looked exactly like a middle class America. The doctors, judges, lawyers were all black, and the street scenes were full of well dressed, well spoken, polite blacks in dresses or suits, peacefully going about their business.
    I’m not making that up, they are perfectly sincere in their belief that things will be like that once Whites are exterminated or subjugated. They are basically like Tiny Duck’s parody of them.

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    Imagine, POC paying their own bills, doing their own police work, running successful businesses, inventing wondrous high tech tools, building the best machines & computers, doing all their own medical procedures, on & on.

    Just look at Africa for the proof.

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  72. TheBoom says:

    As Vox Day constantly notes, tying to have a sincere dialectic debate with a sjw is a waste of time. Peter has a sinister track record of being into facts and looking reality in its multicultural face. That just won’t do. The “journalist”was clearly not into hate facts and was engaging in a rhetorical argument. Peter did try to put the writer on the defensive but the “journalist” would just change the subject. In the future Peter should continue to stick to realty with his own views but have a lot more fun with the “journalist’s” views. After all, if the “journalist” is going to make up “facts” about Peter and history, do the same about the “journalist” ( but keep an accurate view of history) and see how that goes

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  73. @Anon
    There’s a proposal to rename England and Scotland Wogland

    There are 2 TV series titled the Windsor’s on Netflix now. One is the usual vomit inducing stuff about the Royal family since Elizabeth married Philip. Didn’t watch it at all, just assumed it’s the usual vomit inducing garbage about the alleged constitutional crises involving the royals.

    Second and far far better is the satirical one. ER and Phillip are not in the show. It is puerile, coarse rude crude and wonderful. The actress who plays Camilla steals the show.

    Diana turned me off the royals. So I never watched Diana’s famous TV interview until a couple weeks ago when I had to stay off my feet because of a broken bone. So I watched that interview

    Whine, whine, whine The worst was when she complained about William’s christening The event was all about the baby horrors!! She also complained that she had just given birth Actually 6 weeks before, plenty of time to recover.

    My English relatives call the royal family the krauts.

    They also firmly believe that Victoria’s father was not Prince Edward Duke of Kent son of George 3 but some random German sperm donor her mother used to fulfill her part of the contract .

    The importance of that Royal Wedding, as explained by an outside observer.

    Full Disclaimer: I do have a close connection with Queen Victoria. A 1st cousin of mine dated a guy who’s Mom and Dad got shitfaced with some blokes who did lines of cocaine with the Kinks after a show in which they sang this song:

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    I just watched a TV show from a while ago where a woman who looked exactly like Queen Elizabeth when she was younger (which she was at the time) plotted to murder her husband.
    (different anon)
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  74. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    The importance of that Royal Wedding, as explained by an outside observer.

    Full Disclaimer: I do have a close connection with Queen Victoria. A 1st cousin of mine dated a guy who's Mom and Dad got shitfaced with some blokes who did lines of cocaine with the Kinks after a show in which they sang this song:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wejgyx3e4rY

    I just watched a TV show from a while ago where a woman who looked exactly like Queen Elizabeth when she was younger (which she was at the time) plotted to murder her husband.
    (different anon)

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    Wait, the look-a-like tried to kill her own husband, or Queen Elizabeth's husband? Was it part of the plot that she looked like Queen Elizabeth?
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  75. Mishra says:
    @Anon
    American history began in 1880 when the Jews of Russia learned that by granting them civil rights the Russian government also demanded they fulfill their civic responsibilities such as paying taxes and being subject to the draft.

    You think that’s bad? The Germans actually forced some of them to perform manual labor.

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  76. @Anon
    I just watched a TV show from a while ago where a woman who looked exactly like Queen Elizabeth when she was younger (which she was at the time) plotted to murder her husband.
    (different anon)

    Wait, the look-a-like tried to kill her own husband, or Queen Elizabeth’s husband? Was it part of the plot that she looked like Queen Elizabeth?

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    This was it: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0508224/
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  77. Wally says:
    @Michelle
    Oh, just stop it!

    Why? Because your cognitive dissonance has overcome you?

    Truth hurts don’t it?

    In the meantime we’ll wait for your proof of the ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    Even better
    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/
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  78. Wally says:
    @Alfa158
    They believe that once Whites are out of the way and no longer holding down people of color, the POC will rise to the same level of success and prosperity so they will continue to pay the taxes and develop the economy. It is what I call Amos ‘n Andy world. Being an old guy I used to watch the TV show in the ‘50s and everyone in the show was black, but lived in a alternate reality which looked exactly like a middle class America. The doctors, judges, lawyers were all black, and the street scenes were full of well dressed, well spoken, polite blacks in dresses or suits, peacefully going about their business.
    I’m not making that up, they are perfectly sincere in their belief that things will be like that once Whites are exterminated or subjugated. They are basically like Tiny Duck’s parody of them.

    Imagine, POC paying their own bills, doing their own police work, running successful businesses, inventing wondrous high tech tools, building the best machines & computers, doing all their own medical procedures, on & on.

    Just look at Africa for the proof.

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  79. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Wait, the look-a-like tried to kill her own husband, or Queen Elizabeth's husband? Was it part of the plot that she looked like Queen Elizabeth?
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  80. @Wally
    Why? Because your cognitive dissonance has overcome you?

    Truth hurts don't it?

    In the meantime we'll wait for your proof of the '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers'.

    www.codoh.com

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