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Memorandum for: The US Embassies of Ecuador and the United Kingdom, and the U.S. State Department

From: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

Subject: Humanitarian Asylum for Julian Assange

For six years, WikiLeaks editor Julian Assange has been effectively imprisoned without charges at Ecuador’s London embassy. In that time, two international courts and dozens of respected legal and human rights organizations have decried actions of the UK, US and Swedish governments that confine the journalist in what now amounts to torturous isolation, deprived of space, sunlight, visitors, communication with the outside and necessary medical care.

The catalyst was an arcane effort by the Swedish government to extradite Assange for questioning about claims of sexual improprieties.[1]Marchand & Schaus. European Court of Human Rights. 2016. www.ecchr.eu Accessed 2 Aug 2018. The UK government subsequently arrested Assange and released him on bail.[2]BBC News. “Julian Assange in the Ecuadorian embassy: Timeline.” 30 Jul 2018. www.bbc.com Accessed 2 Aug 2018. Ecuador granted Assange asylum at its embassy based on concerns he could be extradited to the US where he would not receive a fair trial and could receive a death sentence.[3]Wallace, Arturo. “Julian Assange: Why Ecuador is offering asylum.” BBC News, 16 Aug 2012. (Former Obama DOJ spokesperson Matthew Miller has acknowledged that US officials intended to arrest Julian Assange but decided against it because of the expected impacts on press freedom.)[4]Greenberg, Andy. “The US Charging Julian Assange Could Put Press Freedom on Trial.” Wired, 20 Apr 2017.

The UK government threatens to arrest Assange if he leaves the embassy for “not surrendering at bail” and refuses to rule out extradition to the US.[5]The Telegraph. “Arrest warrant for Julian Assange still valid.” 6 Feb 2018 Under a new president, Ecuador has cut off Assange’s communications with the outside world.

Experts Criticize Treatment of Assange

In June, 2014, The National Lawyers Guild and 59 human rights and legal organizations petitioned the United Nations to act on violations of Assange’s “fundamental human rights.” In addition, “33 union, human rights, media and civil society organizations” petitioned the Human Rights Commission in Geneva on behalf of freedom for Assange. Reports submitted by the groups identified “numerous systematic deficiencies in Swedish pre-trial procedures like the routine placement of persons who have not been charged with any crime in indefinite, isolated, or unexplained pre-charge detention.”[6]National Lawyers Guild. “NLG and Nearly 60 International Organizations Urge UN to Remedy Human Rights Violations in Pre-Charge Detention of Julian Assange.” 19 Jun 2014

In February 2016, the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) concluded that Assange’s situation constitutes “arbitrary detention” and violates both the Universal Declaration on Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.[7]United Nations. UN News, 5 Feb 2016. Assange’s Swedish lawyer, Per Samuelson, told The Guardian, 4 Feb 2016, “If he is regarded as detained, that means he has served his time, so I see no other option for Sweden but to close the case.”[8]Addley, Bowcott, Elgot, Farrell & Crouch. “Julian Assange is in arbitrary detention, UN panel finds.”

The Guardian. 4 Feb 2016

Another year would pass, however, before Sweden dropped its investigation, after finally consenting to interview Assange at the embassy.[9]BBC News. “Julian Assange in the Ecuadorian embassy: Timeline.” 30 Jul 2018. www.bbc.com Accessed 2 Aug 2018. Recently obtained emails show that Sweden would have dropped the case years earlier but for pressure from UK authorities.[10]Bowcott & MacAskill.“Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013, CPS emails show.” The Guardian,11 Feb2018. In summary, Assange has been confined for six years over allegations that never resulted in charges, much less a criminal conviction.

On July 12, 2018, the Organization of American States’ (OAS) Inter-American Court of Human Rights (IACHR) sent out a ruling[11]Inter-American Court of Human Right. “Advisory Opinion on the institution of asylum and its recognition as a human right in the inter-american system of protection.” [press release] 12 Jul 2018. http://www.corteidh.or.cr/docs/comunicados/cp_28_18...ng.pdf that was virtually unnoticed by US news media. The IACHR found “it is the duty of nations to allow for the passage of successful asylum seekers from embassies to the mainland territory of the state that has granted an individual asylum.”

For Julian Assange, this would mean that, according to the Court’s decision, Britain has a legal obligation to allow Julian Assange to exit the Ecuadorian Embassy in London in peace and allow for his safe transit to an airport from which he would be able to fly to Ecuador, the country that has granted Assange asylum and where he now also holds formal citizenship[12]Garrie, Adam. “Julian Assange Scores Major Legal Victory as Court Orders Safe Passage of Wikileaks Founder Out of Embassy.” EurasiaFuture, 13 Jul 2018.

“[I]t is imperative,” the ruling states, “that Assange is allowed to make the safe passage to Ecuador demanded by the Court as his physical and mental health conditions have been described as deteriorating rapidly. If, nevertheless, UK authorities insist on arresting Assange, “the British government will have wantonly failed to uphold Assange’s rights as a legitimate receiver of asylum by Ecuador.”[13]Ibid.
(Garrie, Adam. “Julian Assange Scores Major Legal Victory as Court Orders Safe Passage of Wikileaks Founder Out of Embassy.” EurasiaFuture, 13 Jul 2018.)

The IACHR ruling suggests further that outright abuses occurred when Ecuador removed security assigned for Assange;[14]“Ecuador orders withdrawal of extra Assange security from embassy in London.” Reuters, 7 May 2018 when the UK rejected Ecuador’s request for safe passage of Assange to Ecuador[15]Saul, Heather. “Julian Assange: British Government denies Ecuadorian request for ‘safe passage’ to get Wikileaks founder to a hospital.” The Independent, 15 Oct 2015.; and when the US obstructed efforts to end Assange’s virtual imprisonment.[16]Solomon, John. “How Comey Intervened To Kill Wikileaks’ Immunity Deal.” The Hill, 25 Jun 2018.

Mistaken Assumptions Underlie Government Policies

President Trump’s Attorney General Jeff Sessions hinted at a crackdown on the press.[17]Ainsley, Julia Edwards. “Trump administration goes on attack against leakers, journalists.” Reuters. 4 Aug 2017 Secretary of State Mike Pompeo called Wikileaks a “non-state, hostile intelligence service” that is often “abetted by state actors like Russia.”[18]Milman, Oliver. “Trump CIA director blames ‘worship of Edward Snowden’ for rise in leaks.” The Guardian, 24 June 2017. Pompeo laments the “hero worship” of NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden and suggests harsh measures would prevent future “leaks” of classified information. But, it is government persecution, not the lack of it, that gives truth-tellers hero status. Also, what truly upsets senior intelligence officials is not (frequently condoned) “leaking” but blowing the whistle on government wrongdoing.

Harsh measures do not deter individuals with strong moral convictions from whistleblowing. Instead, these motivate potential whistleblowers to find more creative avenues for disclosure. Edward Snowden, for example, was well aware of the US government’s brutality toward Thomas Drake, who used “official channels” to express concerns about the legality of NSA surveillance activities. Drake’s experience, Snowden says, were his inspiration. “It’s fair to say,” Snowden said, “if there hadn’t been a Thomas Drake, there couldn’t have been an Edward Snowden.”[19]AJ Plus. “Exclusive: Edward Snowden on the man who inspired his work.” (video) 5 Aug 2015.

Similarly, despite the bullying of Julian Assange, new websites have appeared that draw inspiration from WikiLeaks.[20]Reitman, Rainey. “Will the rise of WikiLeaks competitors make whistleblowing resistant to censorship?” Electronic Frontier Foundation. 6 Feb 2011.Should the US take custody of Assange and prosecute him like Drake, they could find success elusive in the opinion of Harvard Law professor Jack Goldsmith.

“The most relevant law, the Espionage Act, is famously overbroad and thus an uncertain basis for prosecution,” observed Goldsmith. “This is one reason the government has never successfully prosecuted a member of the media for soliciting or publishing classified information. Nor has the government ever successfully prosecuted a non-media organization for solicitation or receipt of classified information.”[21]Goldsmith, Jack. “Why the U.S. shouldn’t try Julian Assange.” Washington Post, 11 Feb 2011.

“Failing in the effort would make the United States look even more ineffectual than it does as a result of the leaks,” Goldsmith concluded.

A successful prosecution could have worse consequences. With little that distinguishes Wikileaks’ activities from those of mainstream news gatherers[22]”Quite simply, our motive is identical to that claimed by the New York Times and The Post — to publish newsworthy content,” Assange wrote in a recent op-ed in The Washington Post. “Consistent with the U.S. Constitution, we publish material that we can confirm to be true irrespective of whether sources came by that truth legally or have the right to release it to the media. And we strive to mitigate legitimate concerns, for example by using redaction to protect the identities of at-risk intelligence agents” (CNN, 21 May 2017)., a dangerous legal precedent would be established. Journalists employed by major newspapers that also published government secrets, including some of the same secrets published by Wikileaks, could be imprisoned by any administration with animosity toward the press. The impacts of prosecuting Assange would ripple around the world as officials in other governments followed the most powerful nation’s example. With no means of holding governments accountable, despotism would proliferate, triggering cascading crises and worldwide disruption.

UN human rights expert Alfred de Zayas observes that “Order depends on the consistent and uniform application of international law.”[23]UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. “UN rights expert urges the UK and Sweden to give good example to the world and implement the Assange ruling.” 15 Feb 2016. Retrieved on 1 Aug 2018 from www.ohchr.org.

Governments could simply ignore the court directives on Assange’s asylum rights; but that too carries risks, undermining efforts by those countries to support dissidents of their choosing. Potentially, in the future, the diplomatic privileges of UK, US and Ecuadorian diplomats could also come under assault.

A Fork in the Road

Collectively, the governments of Sweden, the UK, the US, Ecuador (recently) and, through its silence, Assange’s home country of Australia have imposed six years of suffering on Assange and possibly life-long damage to his health. With their proxies, they pound Assange with threats, ad hominem attacks and misleading statements. He cannot defend himself because the government of Ecuador terminated his access to communications systems. This may have a temporary effect of confusing the public; but as more legal experts and human rights authorities hazard coming to his defense, the public may recognize these assaults as the desperate flailings of governments that lack credible defenses for their actions.

Public dissatisfaction with governments worldwide is currently high, as evidenced by numerous massive street protests, passages of referendums against centralized power, and wide-spread elections of anti-establishment candidates. Any additional erosion of public support risks a tipping point with unforeseeable consequences. Brutality against Julian Assange, particularly as his health declines, can only increase his stature as a journalist, enshrine his popular global status as a martyr for freedom, and effectively undermine support for his persecutors.

The involved governments have arrived at a fork in the road. They can continue the persecution of Assange, risking catastrophe for diminishing returns. Or, they can let Assange proceed to Ecuador, or home to Australia if it provides suitable guarantees,[24]Murdock, Jason. WikiLeaks: Australia has ‘obligation’ to protect Julian Assange, Lawyer says.” Newsweek. 1 Aug 2018. and boost their public standing as self-described supporters of human rights, the rule of law, and a free press.

We the undersigned members of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity urge all governments to honor the OHCHR and IACHR directives with respect to Julian Assange and other asylum seekers.

For the Steering Group, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)

William Binney, Technical Director, NSA; co-founder, SIGINT Automation Research Center (ret.)

Richard H. Black, Senator of Virginia, 13th District; Colonel US Army (ret.); Former Chief, Criminal Law Division, Office of the Judge Advocate General, the Pentagon (associate VIPS)

Marshall Carter-Tripp, Foreign Service Officer (ret.) and Division Director, State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research

Bogdan Dzakovic, former Team Leader of Federal Air Marshals and Red Team, FAA Security (ret.) (associate VIPS)

Philip Giraldi, CIA, Operations Officer (ret.)

Mike Gravel, former Adjutant, top secret control officer, Communications Intelligence Service; special agent of the Counter Intelligence Corps and former United States Senator

Matthew Hoh, former Capt., USMC, Iraq & Foreign Service Officer, Afghanistan (associate VIPS)

Larry C. Johnson, former CIA and State Department Counter Terrorism officer.

Michael S. Kearns, Captain, USAF (ret); Wing Commander, RAAF (ret); Intelligence Officer and Master SERE Instructor

John Kiriakou, Former CIA Counterterrorism Officer and former senior investigator, Senate Foreign Relations Committee

Karen Kwiatkowski, former Lt. Col., US Air Force (ret.), at Office of Secretary of Defense watching the manufacture of lies on Iraq, 2001-2003?

Linda Lewis, WMD preparedness policy analyst, USDA (ret.) (associate VIPS)

Edward Loomis, NSA, Cryptologic Computer Scientist (ret.)

Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst (ret.)

Elizabeth Murray, Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Near East, CIA and National Intelligence Council (ret.)

Todd E. Pierce, MAJ, US Army Judge Advocate (ret.)

Coleen Rowley, FBI Special Agent and former Minneapolis Division Legal Counsel (ret.)

Kirk Wiebe, former Senior Analyst, SIGINT Automation Research Center, NSA

Sarah G. Wilton, Intelligence Officer, DIA (ret.); Commander, US Naval Reserve (ret.)

Robert Wing, former Foreign Service Officer (associate VIPS)

Ann Wright, Col., US Army (ret.); Foreign Service Officer (resigned)

Endnotes

[1] Marchand & Schaus. European Court of Human Rights. 2016. www.ecchr.eu Accessed 2 Aug 2018.

[2] BBC News. “Julian Assange in the Ecuadorian embassy: Timeline.” 30 Jul 2018. www.bbc.com Accessed 2 Aug 2018.

[3] Wallace, Arturo. “Julian Assange: Why Ecuador is offering asylum.” BBC News, 16 Aug 2012.

[4] Greenberg, Andy. “The US Charging Julian Assange Could Put Press Freedom on Trial.” Wired, 20 Apr 2017.

[5] The Telegraph. “Arrest warrant for Julian Assange still valid.” 6 Feb 2018

[6] National Lawyers Guild. “NLG and Nearly 60 International Organizations Urge UN to Remedy Human Rights Violations in Pre-Charge Detention of Julian Assange.” 19 Jun 2014

[7] United Nations. UN News, 5 Feb 2016.

[8] Addley, Bowcott, Elgot, Farrell & Crouch. “Julian Assange is in arbitrary detention, UN panel finds.”

The Guardian. 4 Feb 2016

[9] BBC News. “Julian Assange in the Ecuadorian embassy: Timeline.” 30 Jul 2018. www.bbc.com Accessed 2 Aug 2018.

[10] Bowcott & MacAskill.“Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013, CPS emails show.” The Guardian,11 Feb2018.

[11] Inter-American Court of Human Right. “Advisory Opinion on the institution of asylum and its recognition as a human right in the inter-american system of protection.” [press release] 12 Jul 2018. http://www.corteidh.or.cr/docs/comunicados/cp_28_18_eng.pdf

[12] Garrie, Adam. “Julian Assange Scores Major Legal Victory as Court Orders Safe Passage of Wikileaks Founder Out of Embassy.” EurasiaFuture, 13 Jul 2018.

[13] Ibid.

[14] “Ecuador orders withdrawal of extra Assange security from embassy in London.” Reuters, 7 May 2018

[15] Saul, Heather. “Julian Assange: British Government denies Ecuadorian request for ‘safe passage’ to get Wikileaks founder to a hospital.” The Independent, 15 Oct 2015.

[16] Solomon, John. “How Comey Intervened To Kill Wikileaks’ Immunity Deal.” The Hill, 25 Jun 2018.

[17] Ainsley, Julia Edwards. “Trump administration goes on attack against leakers, journalists.” Reuters. 4 Aug 2017

[18] Milman, Oliver. “Trump CIA director blames ‘worship of Edward Snowden’ for rise in leaks.” The Guardian, 24 June 2017.

[19] AJ Plus. “Exclusive: Edward Snowden on the man who inspired his work.” (video) 5 Aug 2015.

[20] Reitman, Rainey. “Will the rise of WikiLeaks competitors make whistleblowing resistant to censorship?” Electronic Frontier Foundation. 6 Feb 2011.

[21] Goldsmith, Jack. “Why the U.S. shouldn’t try Julian Assange.” Washington Post, 11 Feb 2011.

[22] ”Quite simply, our motive is identical to that claimed by the New York Times and The Post — to publish newsworthy content,” Assange wrote in a recent op-ed in The Washington Post. “Consistent with the U.S. Constitution, we publish material that we can confirm to be true irrespective of whether sources came by that truth legally or have the right to release it to the media. And we strive to mitigate legitimate concerns, for example by using redaction to protect the identities of at-risk intelligence agents” (CNN, 21 May 2017).

[23] UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. “UN rights expert urges the UK and Sweden to give good example to the world and implement the Assange ruling.” 15 Feb 2016. Retrieved on 1 Aug 2018 from www.ohchr.org.

[24] Murdock, Jason. WikiLeaks: Australia has ‘obligation’ to protect Julian Assange, Lawyer says.” Newsweek. 1 Aug 2018.

(Republished from ConsortiumNews by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Biff says:

    Enemies of the State shilling for the enemy of the State. I can only wish them luck, but they are not dealing with normal criminals. They are dealing with some of the most lethal criminals on the planet that give no quarter.

    God save Assange…

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    Agreed. There are gangsters, and then there are gangsters with the force of law behind them. Guess which type is more dangerous?

    @Wizard of Oz


    Not that I share Assange’s politics last time I looked but what has he done to deserve severe punishment? He certainly exposed American crimes did he not?
     
    Sadly, you've answered your own question.
    , @Lincoln Blockface Squarebeard III
    Yup, earnest pleas appealing to Assange's persecutors' (nonexistent) sense of reason and justice are all but useless. God help him, indeed...
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  2. Crimson2 says:

    Looking forward to Assange doing some time in an actual prison.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Why? Not that I share Assange's politics last time I looked but what has he done to deserve severe punishment? He certainly exposed American crimes did he not?
    , @Tom Welsh
    Yes, I have read about people like you in my lifelong study of history.

    There are some people who are so terrified of the mere thought of freedom that they will do anything to support their tyrannical masters.

    I hope that works out well for you. "First they came for Assange..."
    , @annamaria
    Only after Michael Ledeen (of a yellow cake fame, see destroyed Iraq) and Mrs. Clinton (see her willful violation of cybersecurity rules that led to a longitudinal collection by Chinese IC of the highly classified information). Actually, let's add Debbie Wassermann-Schultz to the group, for good measure, considering the gravest ever violation of the US cybersecurity conducted by Debbie's protege Mr. Awan & Co.
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/24/wasserman-schultz-threatened-police-chief-for-gathering-evidence-on-her-it-staffers-alleged-crimes/
    "Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz threatened the chief of the U.S. Capitol Police with “consequences” for holding equipment that she says belongs to her in order to build a criminal case against a Pakistani staffer suspected of massive cybersecurity breaches involving funneling sensitive congressional data offsite."
    , @James Forrestal
    You really hate truth that much? Why?
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  3. The U.S. Is a nation of barbaric thugs. The UK and Sweden are servile ass lickers.

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  4. Australia’s major political parties have been shamefully inactive in protecting an Australian citizen from a vicious US pretended-legal savaging and the complicity of Sweden and the UK.

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    Whatever happened to Australia? Didn't it used to be a nation composed of REAL men, like Crocodile Dundee? Now it has become a nation of wimps, afraid to do anything that could incur the wrath of Washington's psychopaths.
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  5. @Crimson2
    Looking forward to Assange doing some time in an actual prison.

    Why? Not that I share Assange’s politics last time I looked but what has he done to deserve severe punishment? He certainly exposed American crimes did he not?

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  6. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Biff
    Enemies of the State shilling for the enemy of the State. I can only wish them luck, but they are not dealing with normal criminals. They are dealing with some of the most lethal criminals on the planet that give no quarter.

    God save Assange...

    Agreed. There are gangsters, and then there are gangsters with the force of law behind them. Guess which type is more dangerous?

    Not that I share Assange’s politics last time I looked but what has he done to deserve severe punishment? He certainly exposed American crimes did he not?

    Sadly, you’ve answered your own question.

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  7. Those who dare to attack the USA are pursued remorselessly, does not matter if they do it with words or are able to do it with weapons.
    Google Kansi, an Aghanistani who killed CIA staff before the CIA office.

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  8. Brabantian says: • Website

    All major governments know that Julian Assange is fake, a CIA asset, there is nothing real about him, this is proven beyond doubt

    Benjamin Netanyahu and Zbigniew Brzezinski have both blurted out loud, that pro-Israel Julian Assange is a fraud run by intelligence agencies, Netanyahu boasting Assange will always protect Israel from any serious ‘leaks’ coming to him

    Even the story about Assange ‘living in the Ecuador embassy for many years’ is fake, with UK intel agencies apparently moving him and out of there for his dates to meet with admirers, UK police watching for when the coast is clear, police gagged under UK national security orders

    At least two leakers were quickly dead after trusting Julian Assange & contacting him – Seth Rich & Peter W Smith – and maybe many others we will never hear about … in Smith’s case, the liar Assange says he never received Smith’s files, yeah, right … Assange claims to be concerned about Seth Rich’s death … but maybe CIA-Assange helped kill him, & perhaps others about whom we will never know

    Strangely the authorities are ultra-slow to cut off Assange’s fund-raising schemes despite all his allegedly ‘illegal’ activity

    Assange is connected with another fraud, as Vladimir Putin himself has hinted – ‘Edward Snowden’ who first allegedly ‘leaked’ to Bush Vice President Dick Cheney’s friend & biographer, ha!

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/21/russia-govt-report-snowden-greenwald-are-cia-frauds/

    The Assange & Snowden hoaxes were first pushed by CIA-tied media like the NY Times & UK Guardian, yet people fall for these fairy tales

    Snowden is promoted by the oily Glenn Greenwald, gay ex-p-rnographer and employee of 3 billionaires in turn, now working for Pierre Omidyar, the CIA funder and backer of crimes against Russians in Ukraine.

    Amongst the many proofs Assange is fake, is Julian’s refusal to use the legal files he has on US federal judge bribery corruption, the same data in UK court filings that helped block the extradition of UK hacker Lauri Love … Because Julian is CIA, he accepts CIA orders to keep quiet about USA federal judge bribery … Neither Assange nor Snowden utter a peep about proven bribery corruption of the same US judges who would put them ‘on trial’, even tho those files can block any extradition

    It seems Assange is shuttled in & out from his ‘Embassy closet’ to the big country house of a Rothschild friend where he seems to actually live, where Julian has all those nice changes of clothing & grooming aids for his Ecuador embassy balcony ‘appearances’, Ecuador getting dosh to play along

    This game here now, is just a winding down of the Assange fraud – Assange a ‘rat trap’ for honest whistleblowers.

    Edward Snowden & Julian Assange promote the leading paedophile tool, the Tor browser, developed by CIA-tied spooks (US Naval Research & DARPA Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency) … the NSA and CIA apparently can track through TOR … Wikileaks compels you to use Tor to contact them, giving the CIA a heads up about all the duped whistle-blowers who contact faker Julian

    Julian Assange’s childhood seems to be involved with a CIA-tied mind-control children’s home in Australia, ‘The Family’, where they dyed the colour of the kids’ hair blonde to make them look … a lot like Julian looks

    http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/assange-family-mind-control.html

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    If you have hard evidence for this, I'm sure all the readers would be delighted to know. There is much about the Assange affair- from his using CIA conduits like the New York Times to break his story to hiding out in the Ecuadorian Embassy, rather than seeking asylum in Russia - that seems suspect. But unless hard evidence is produced, that's what it will remain - suspect. I try to keep an open mind on this affair. Maybe time will shine more light on it. Or maybe not.
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Never believe anything coming out of Britain. They are masters of lies and deception.
    Never believe their anything. Not even weather report.
    , @m___
    If Assange is exposed, as such, then he made a really bad bargain.

    If Assange is let go, that would be a possible first occasion to suspect service at some power - capital strong entities. Till then, confined to a shoe box, sacrificing years of one's life, consider yourself invited to proof your mental poking.
    , @jilles dykstra
    " It seems Assange is shuttled in & out from his ‘Embassy closet’ to the big country house of a Rothschild friend where he seems to actually live, where Julian has all those nice changes of clothing & grooming aids for his Ecuador embassy balcony ‘appearances’, Ecuador getting dosh to play along "

    Does not seem easy to me to continue doing this over many years, without some leak.
    On the other hand, how he's able to continue living as it seems he does, I wondered.
    But extradition to the USA by Sweden is not an attractive alternative.
    That the Sweden crime is nonsense seems beyond any reasonable doubt.
    , @annamaria
    Trusting blindly to and relying on the words of Benjamin Netanyahu and Zbigniew Brzezinski to smear a real man? -- This is rich.
    Keep your company. Assange and Snowden are beyond your grade.
    , @Dan
    Israel and 911 are the litmus tests. Assange fails miserably on both.
    , @UncommonGround

    It seems Assange is shuttled in & out from his ‘Embassy closet’ to the big country house of a Rothschild friend where he seems to actually live,
     
    I've heard he is really living there together with Elvis Presley.
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  9. Tom Welsh says:
    @Crimson2
    Looking forward to Assange doing some time in an actual prison.

    Yes, I have read about people like you in my lifelong study of history.

    There are some people who are so terrified of the mere thought of freedom that they will do anything to support their tyrannical masters.

    I hope that works out well for you. “First they came for Assange…”

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    Some?

    Lol
    , @crimson2
    The whole "First they came for Assange..." argument means so much on this antisemitic website.
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  10. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t trust any organization the National Lawyers Guild supports or is involved with.

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  11. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:

    Proving Assange to be a ‘rat trap’ for honest whistleblowers could prove both the media and CIA are one in the same, and all but prove both to media and CIA are privately owned by ventures of a few wealthy individuals.

    Further it may fully explain how in the early days of the Internet one Internet company and one search engine company always had the cash needed, even when their sales were minimal, to destroy or acquire the millions of independent ISPs.

    Each day, more information arrives to prove that no governed people have a meaningful public government, all of the public governments are fake, privately owned jails which house the exploitative masses.

    I feel the masses in government houses are realizing nothing they do or say changes anything their respective governments do, suggesting all but a few governments owned by private enterprises or organized crime.

    might want to revist https://themichigannews.com/tag/bernie-ebbers-net-worth
    some interesting parallels might be revealed.

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    • Replies: @m___
    What you say is historically, in any locality, whatever religion, any ethnicity, all distinc territories true. The bulk of human individuals, groups, the Normals or the Associals regardless never held power and wealth. (hinting to C. J. Hopkins terminology)

    For now Assange belongs in the Associals category. When absorbed ever, in the opaque, small cross border elites (the hidden third player), he for one might belong more then anybody our bread writers and middle class mercenaries provide to public exposure.

    As for now, Assange is still a mere Associal with little argument as to his ego or career advancements o-r his use to any elites to further short term in-group interests. The ones that finance Wikileaks and Assange are the ones that position themselves for an in case, there is always elite groups that finance both sides at that level. Say a few hundred of thousands of dollars to keep a multi billion media and justice and policy industry alive is always a nice trade off ... to the other side (not Assange and his misery).

    It is true that the Assange's dna holds the key to measuring myriad expressions of foul thinking and the limited cognitive capacity and the criminal intent of our elites. All of them, thus making him the best tool of our times to quantify elite incompetence and criminal mindset. All said and done, the core cause for the state of humanity and it's dynamics.

    We think it is better to quell our religious instincts and stop leveling Assange as a willing God actor, the almighty, the never wrong, the all encompassing, and see his labor as a suggestion of adapting humans to something else then the obviously flawed models we adhere to, and reward for, as societies.

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  12. No mention of Melanie Shaw, currently being tortured in Styal Prison by the UK for revealing sitting members of parliament who raped and abused her as a child.

    Just Assange who like Tomny Robinson works for the chosen people and who revealed the entire membership list of the legally constituted British National Party.

    You bunch of hypocrites. You all have double standards. Assange ruined innocent lives here in the UK but you are not interested in that.

    Assange represents another positive media exposure to you, whereas there is no gain for backing justice for Melanie Shaw who has been in solitary for 18 months and is beaten up almost daily by her fascist State guards. Rumours are that in one beating she has lost the tips of her fingers.

    Assange is pampered compared to Shaw and you bunch of glory seeking hypocrites are barking up the wrong tree, just as the UK want you to.

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    Was your post intended to protect the unknown Melanie Shaw or you wanted to slander Assange, along with providing some touching stuff unrelated to Assange? Smells psyop.
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  13. @Brabantian
    All major governments know that Julian Assange is fake, a CIA asset, there is nothing real about him, this is proven beyond doubt

    Benjamin Netanyahu and Zbigniew Brzezinski have both blurted out loud, that pro-Israel Julian Assange is a fraud run by intelligence agencies, Netanyahu boasting Assange will always protect Israel from any serious 'leaks' coming to him

    Even the story about Assange 'living in the Ecuador embassy for many years' is fake, with UK intel agencies apparently moving him and out of there for his dates to meet with admirers, UK police watching for when the coast is clear, police gagged under UK national security orders

    At least two leakers were quickly dead after trusting Julian Assange & contacting him - Seth Rich & Peter W Smith - and maybe many others we will never hear about ... in Smith's case, the liar Assange says he never received Smith's files, yeah, right ... Assange claims to be concerned about Seth Rich's death ... but maybe CIA-Assange helped kill him, & perhaps others about whom we will never know

    Strangely the authorities are ultra-slow to cut off Assange's fund-raising schemes despite all his allegedly 'illegal' activity

    Assange is connected with another fraud, as Vladimir Putin himself has hinted - 'Edward Snowden' who first allegedly 'leaked' to Bush Vice President Dick Cheney's friend & biographer, ha!
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/21/russia-govt-report-snowden-greenwald-are-cia-frauds/

    The Assange & Snowden hoaxes were first pushed by CIA-tied media like the NY Times & UK Guardian, yet people fall for these fairy tales

    Snowden is promoted by the oily Glenn Greenwald, gay ex-p-rnographer and employee of 3 billionaires in turn, now working for Pierre Omidyar, the CIA funder and backer of crimes against Russians in Ukraine.

    Amongst the many proofs Assange is fake, is Julian's refusal to use the legal files he has on US federal judge bribery corruption, the same data in UK court filings that helped block the extradition of UK hacker Lauri Love ... Because Julian is CIA, he accepts CIA orders to keep quiet about USA federal judge bribery ... Neither Assange nor Snowden utter a peep about proven bribery corruption of the same US judges who would put them 'on trial', even tho those files can block any extradition

    It seems Assange is shuttled in & out from his 'Embassy closet' to the big country house of a Rothschild friend where he seems to actually live, where Julian has all those nice changes of clothing & grooming aids for his Ecuador embassy balcony 'appearances', Ecuador getting dosh to play along

    This game here now, is just a winding down of the Assange fraud - Assange a 'rat trap' for honest whistleblowers.

    Edward Snowden & Julian Assange promote the leading paedophile tool, the Tor browser, developed by CIA-tied spooks (US Naval Research & DARPA Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency) ... the NSA and CIA apparently can track through TOR ... Wikileaks compels you to use Tor to contact them, giving the CIA a heads up about all the duped whistle-blowers who contact faker Julian

    Julian Assange's childhood seems to be involved with a CIA-tied mind-control children's home in Australia, 'The Family', where they dyed the colour of the kids' hair blonde to make them look ... a lot like Julian looks
    http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/assange-family-mind-control.html

    If you have hard evidence for this, I’m sure all the readers would be delighted to know. There is much about the Assange affair- from his using CIA conduits like the New York Times to break his story to hiding out in the Ecuadorian Embassy, rather than seeking asylum in Russia – that seems suspect. But unless hard evidence is produced, that’s what it will remain – suspect. I try to keep an open mind on this affair. Maybe time will shine more light on it. Or maybe not.

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    I wonder how many waving the “say no to internet censorship” signs are crowing about Alex Jones being deplatformed.

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  15. m___ says:

    Assange is indeed the expression of a deep systemic issue, at the core of the Western civilization. It can be solved in different ways, but as long as systemic deafness of the elites persists, no society of the future can arize. There is no historical or conceptual model yet that will not butt inequality, population stress, and environmental death. Scientists, as journalists can the weeds that are highly visible expressions of unethical, immoral posure, capital before cognitive honesty, myopic behavior …or in the rare case of Assange exposure of the gate-way to the future.

    Till then, long live managers, management, chefs and artisans of leisure.

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  16. @Brabantian
    All major governments know that Julian Assange is fake, a CIA asset, there is nothing real about him, this is proven beyond doubt

    Benjamin Netanyahu and Zbigniew Brzezinski have both blurted out loud, that pro-Israel Julian Assange is a fraud run by intelligence agencies, Netanyahu boasting Assange will always protect Israel from any serious 'leaks' coming to him

    Even the story about Assange 'living in the Ecuador embassy for many years' is fake, with UK intel agencies apparently moving him and out of there for his dates to meet with admirers, UK police watching for when the coast is clear, police gagged under UK national security orders

    At least two leakers were quickly dead after trusting Julian Assange & contacting him - Seth Rich & Peter W Smith - and maybe many others we will never hear about ... in Smith's case, the liar Assange says he never received Smith's files, yeah, right ... Assange claims to be concerned about Seth Rich's death ... but maybe CIA-Assange helped kill him, & perhaps others about whom we will never know

    Strangely the authorities are ultra-slow to cut off Assange's fund-raising schemes despite all his allegedly 'illegal' activity

    Assange is connected with another fraud, as Vladimir Putin himself has hinted - 'Edward Snowden' who first allegedly 'leaked' to Bush Vice President Dick Cheney's friend & biographer, ha!
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/21/russia-govt-report-snowden-greenwald-are-cia-frauds/

    The Assange & Snowden hoaxes were first pushed by CIA-tied media like the NY Times & UK Guardian, yet people fall for these fairy tales

    Snowden is promoted by the oily Glenn Greenwald, gay ex-p-rnographer and employee of 3 billionaires in turn, now working for Pierre Omidyar, the CIA funder and backer of crimes against Russians in Ukraine.

    Amongst the many proofs Assange is fake, is Julian's refusal to use the legal files he has on US federal judge bribery corruption, the same data in UK court filings that helped block the extradition of UK hacker Lauri Love ... Because Julian is CIA, he accepts CIA orders to keep quiet about USA federal judge bribery ... Neither Assange nor Snowden utter a peep about proven bribery corruption of the same US judges who would put them 'on trial', even tho those files can block any extradition

    It seems Assange is shuttled in & out from his 'Embassy closet' to the big country house of a Rothschild friend where he seems to actually live, where Julian has all those nice changes of clothing & grooming aids for his Ecuador embassy balcony 'appearances', Ecuador getting dosh to play along

    This game here now, is just a winding down of the Assange fraud - Assange a 'rat trap' for honest whistleblowers.

    Edward Snowden & Julian Assange promote the leading paedophile tool, the Tor browser, developed by CIA-tied spooks (US Naval Research & DARPA Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency) ... the NSA and CIA apparently can track through TOR ... Wikileaks compels you to use Tor to contact them, giving the CIA a heads up about all the duped whistle-blowers who contact faker Julian

    Julian Assange's childhood seems to be involved with a CIA-tied mind-control children's home in Australia, 'The Family', where they dyed the colour of the kids' hair blonde to make them look ... a lot like Julian looks
    http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/assange-family-mind-control.html

    Never believe anything coming out of Britain. They are masters of lies and deception.
    Never believe their anything. Not even weather report.

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  17. m___ says:
    @Brabantian
    All major governments know that Julian Assange is fake, a CIA asset, there is nothing real about him, this is proven beyond doubt

    Benjamin Netanyahu and Zbigniew Brzezinski have both blurted out loud, that pro-Israel Julian Assange is a fraud run by intelligence agencies, Netanyahu boasting Assange will always protect Israel from any serious 'leaks' coming to him

    Even the story about Assange 'living in the Ecuador embassy for many years' is fake, with UK intel agencies apparently moving him and out of there for his dates to meet with admirers, UK police watching for when the coast is clear, police gagged under UK national security orders

    At least two leakers were quickly dead after trusting Julian Assange & contacting him - Seth Rich & Peter W Smith - and maybe many others we will never hear about ... in Smith's case, the liar Assange says he never received Smith's files, yeah, right ... Assange claims to be concerned about Seth Rich's death ... but maybe CIA-Assange helped kill him, & perhaps others about whom we will never know

    Strangely the authorities are ultra-slow to cut off Assange's fund-raising schemes despite all his allegedly 'illegal' activity

    Assange is connected with another fraud, as Vladimir Putin himself has hinted - 'Edward Snowden' who first allegedly 'leaked' to Bush Vice President Dick Cheney's friend & biographer, ha!
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/21/russia-govt-report-snowden-greenwald-are-cia-frauds/

    The Assange & Snowden hoaxes were first pushed by CIA-tied media like the NY Times & UK Guardian, yet people fall for these fairy tales

    Snowden is promoted by the oily Glenn Greenwald, gay ex-p-rnographer and employee of 3 billionaires in turn, now working for Pierre Omidyar, the CIA funder and backer of crimes against Russians in Ukraine.

    Amongst the many proofs Assange is fake, is Julian's refusal to use the legal files he has on US federal judge bribery corruption, the same data in UK court filings that helped block the extradition of UK hacker Lauri Love ... Because Julian is CIA, he accepts CIA orders to keep quiet about USA federal judge bribery ... Neither Assange nor Snowden utter a peep about proven bribery corruption of the same US judges who would put them 'on trial', even tho those files can block any extradition

    It seems Assange is shuttled in & out from his 'Embassy closet' to the big country house of a Rothschild friend where he seems to actually live, where Julian has all those nice changes of clothing & grooming aids for his Ecuador embassy balcony 'appearances', Ecuador getting dosh to play along

    This game here now, is just a winding down of the Assange fraud - Assange a 'rat trap' for honest whistleblowers.

    Edward Snowden & Julian Assange promote the leading paedophile tool, the Tor browser, developed by CIA-tied spooks (US Naval Research & DARPA Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency) ... the NSA and CIA apparently can track through TOR ... Wikileaks compels you to use Tor to contact them, giving the CIA a heads up about all the duped whistle-blowers who contact faker Julian

    Julian Assange's childhood seems to be involved with a CIA-tied mind-control children's home in Australia, 'The Family', where they dyed the colour of the kids' hair blonde to make them look ... a lot like Julian looks
    http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/assange-family-mind-control.html

    If Assange is exposed, as such, then he made a really bad bargain.

    If Assange is let go, that would be a possible first occasion to suspect service at some power – capital strong entities. Till then, confined to a shoe box, sacrificing years of one’s life, consider yourself invited to proof your mental poking.

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  18. m___ says:
    @anon
    Proving Assange to be a ‘rat trap’ for honest whistleblowers could prove both the media and CIA are one in the same, and all but prove both to media and CIA are privately owned by ventures of a few wealthy individuals.

    Further it may fully explain how in the early days of the Internet one Internet company and one search engine company always had the cash needed, even when their sales were minimal, to destroy or acquire the millions of independent ISPs.

    Each day, more information arrives to prove that no governed people have a meaningful public government, all of the public governments are fake, privately owned jails which house the exploitative masses.

    I feel the masses in government houses are realizing nothing they do or say changes anything their respective governments do, suggesting all but a few governments owned by private enterprises or organized crime.

    might want to revist https://themichigannews.com/tag/bernie-ebbers-net-worth
    some interesting parallels might be revealed.

    What you say is historically, in any locality, whatever religion, any ethnicity, all distinc territories true. The bulk of human individuals, groups, the Normals or the Associals regardless never held power and wealth. (hinting to C. J. Hopkins terminology)

    For now Assange belongs in the Associals category. When absorbed ever, in the opaque, small cross border elites (the hidden third player), he for one might belong more then anybody our bread writers and middle class mercenaries provide to public exposure.

    As for now, Assange is still a mere Associal with little argument as to his ego or career advancements o-r his use to any elites to further short term in-group interests. The ones that finance Wikileaks and Assange are the ones that position themselves for an in case, there is always elite groups that finance both sides at that level. Say a few hundred of thousands of dollars to keep a multi billion media and justice and policy industry alive is always a nice trade off … to the other side (not Assange and his misery).

    It is true that the Assange’s dna holds the key to measuring myriad expressions of foul thinking and the limited cognitive capacity and the criminal intent of our elites. All of them, thus making him the best tool of our times to quantify elite incompetence and criminal mindset. All said and done, the core cause for the state of humanity and it’s dynamics.

    We think it is better to quell our religious instincts and stop leveling Assange as a willing God actor, the almighty, the never wrong, the all encompassing, and see his labor as a suggestion of adapting humans to something else then the obviously flawed models we adhere to, and reward for, as societies.

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    To acquire the skill and to master the global historical and political knowledge, and at the same time, to steadfastly hold to, or to up-hold, the belief [that most of the humans in the world believe in hope for honesty from those who are allowed to lead] and then to commit oneself to six years of self imprisonment in order to express such a belief by exposing hidden document after hidden document is not something playing king of the liars club at the neighborhood bar is likely to teach. Learning football, tennis, golf, chasing women in underwear, and playing underwater badminton, earning a Phd, gown, cap and all cannot compare to successfully positioning oneself to expose the rotten corrupt wealthy assholes that make their living by squeezing the life out of the masses. It is Assange's commitment to reveal corruption that demands humanity to step forward and to defend the person of Assange.

    I do not mean to be abusive to you or to your right to speak, but I too have the right to speak, and I say "trying to make truth seekers who devote their lives to finding and sharing the truth in to some kind of pervert is un acceptable Challenging the truth by making its messenger (Assange) into public enemy no 1 is unacceptable. The corrupt privately owned media and its allies are tying to make Assange into public enemy number one.

    No one can deny that Assange gave his considerable all to his fellow man and now those whose corruptions he exposed seek to make Assange into a villain. The person Assange is not the point even if he was Trojan, it would not matter, because Assange showed the world the corrupt can be exposed. The point is, someone has to take a stand against corruption and organized crime. Assange made that stand. Its up to humanity to defend him for it.

    The essence of your message seems to be appearing in various media in the past few hours. Thanks for the reply.
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  19. Unfortunately, I have to view Assange as a dead man walking. He should have known that his life would be over the moment he helped trip the Jewish racehorse Hillary.

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  20. @Brabantian
    All major governments know that Julian Assange is fake, a CIA asset, there is nothing real about him, this is proven beyond doubt

    Benjamin Netanyahu and Zbigniew Brzezinski have both blurted out loud, that pro-Israel Julian Assange is a fraud run by intelligence agencies, Netanyahu boasting Assange will always protect Israel from any serious 'leaks' coming to him

    Even the story about Assange 'living in the Ecuador embassy for many years' is fake, with UK intel agencies apparently moving him and out of there for his dates to meet with admirers, UK police watching for when the coast is clear, police gagged under UK national security orders

    At least two leakers were quickly dead after trusting Julian Assange & contacting him - Seth Rich & Peter W Smith - and maybe many others we will never hear about ... in Smith's case, the liar Assange says he never received Smith's files, yeah, right ... Assange claims to be concerned about Seth Rich's death ... but maybe CIA-Assange helped kill him, & perhaps others about whom we will never know

    Strangely the authorities are ultra-slow to cut off Assange's fund-raising schemes despite all his allegedly 'illegal' activity

    Assange is connected with another fraud, as Vladimir Putin himself has hinted - 'Edward Snowden' who first allegedly 'leaked' to Bush Vice President Dick Cheney's friend & biographer, ha!
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/21/russia-govt-report-snowden-greenwald-are-cia-frauds/

    The Assange & Snowden hoaxes were first pushed by CIA-tied media like the NY Times & UK Guardian, yet people fall for these fairy tales

    Snowden is promoted by the oily Glenn Greenwald, gay ex-p-rnographer and employee of 3 billionaires in turn, now working for Pierre Omidyar, the CIA funder and backer of crimes against Russians in Ukraine.

    Amongst the many proofs Assange is fake, is Julian's refusal to use the legal files he has on US federal judge bribery corruption, the same data in UK court filings that helped block the extradition of UK hacker Lauri Love ... Because Julian is CIA, he accepts CIA orders to keep quiet about USA federal judge bribery ... Neither Assange nor Snowden utter a peep about proven bribery corruption of the same US judges who would put them 'on trial', even tho those files can block any extradition

    It seems Assange is shuttled in & out from his 'Embassy closet' to the big country house of a Rothschild friend where he seems to actually live, where Julian has all those nice changes of clothing & grooming aids for his Ecuador embassy balcony 'appearances', Ecuador getting dosh to play along

    This game here now, is just a winding down of the Assange fraud - Assange a 'rat trap' for honest whistleblowers.

    Edward Snowden & Julian Assange promote the leading paedophile tool, the Tor browser, developed by CIA-tied spooks (US Naval Research & DARPA Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency) ... the NSA and CIA apparently can track through TOR ... Wikileaks compels you to use Tor to contact them, giving the CIA a heads up about all the duped whistle-blowers who contact faker Julian

    Julian Assange's childhood seems to be involved with a CIA-tied mind-control children's home in Australia, 'The Family', where they dyed the colour of the kids' hair blonde to make them look ... a lot like Julian looks
    http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/assange-family-mind-control.html

    ” It seems Assange is shuttled in & out from his ‘Embassy closet’ to the big country house of a Rothschild friend where he seems to actually live, where Julian has all those nice changes of clothing & grooming aids for his Ecuador embassy balcony ‘appearances’, Ecuador getting dosh to play along ”

    Does not seem easy to me to continue doing this over many years, without some leak.
    On the other hand, how he’s able to continue living as it seems he does, I wondered.
    But extradition to the USA by Sweden is not an attractive alternative.
    That the Sweden crime is nonsense seems beyond any reasonable doubt.

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    It is sponsors that bet all sides, because of his quality of argument, his exposure, in football, he would be "injured" and "on the bench". The cost is derisory. One pet more or less, prestigious to insiders at least.

    Not really the intent of Assange, not really his goal, a mere side effect.

    Your question translates into "how come he stays alive, he has no job?". Our answer, a "job" would pull him into the system, sterilize him, into nihilistic existence. A choice. Not your choice.
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  21. annamaria says:
    @Crimson2
    Looking forward to Assange doing some time in an actual prison.

    Only after Michael Ledeen (of a yellow cake fame, see destroyed Iraq) and Mrs. Clinton (see her willful violation of cybersecurity rules that led to a longitudinal collection by Chinese IC of the highly classified information). Actually, let’s add Debbie Wassermann-Schultz to the group, for good measure, considering the gravest ever violation of the US cybersecurity conducted by Debbie’s protege Mr. Awan & Co.

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/24/wasserman-schultz-threatened-police-chief-for-gathering-evidence-on-her-it-staffers-alleged-crimes/

    “Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz threatened the chief of the U.S. Capitol Police with “consequences” for holding equipment that she says belongs to her in order to build a criminal case against a Pakistani staffer suspected of massive cybersecurity breaches involving funneling sensitive congressional data offsite.”

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    OT .... BREAKING NEWS: Microsoft threatens to shut down Gab.ai (alternative to Twitter) in 48 hours (Gab.ai is hosted on Microsoft Azure)

    https://gab.ai/a/posts/31242665

    https://gab.ai/Patrick_little/posts/31260008



    however, bitchute (alternative to YouTube) reached out to Gab.ai with an offer to host it.

    https://gab.ai/BitChute/posts/31254153

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/3ACnK4KMRgvK/
    , @crimson2
    Not interested in your dumb conspiracy theories, bud.
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  22. m___ says:
    @jilles dykstra
    " It seems Assange is shuttled in & out from his ‘Embassy closet’ to the big country house of a Rothschild friend where he seems to actually live, where Julian has all those nice changes of clothing & grooming aids for his Ecuador embassy balcony ‘appearances’, Ecuador getting dosh to play along "

    Does not seem easy to me to continue doing this over many years, without some leak.
    On the other hand, how he's able to continue living as it seems he does, I wondered.
    But extradition to the USA by Sweden is not an attractive alternative.
    That the Sweden crime is nonsense seems beyond any reasonable doubt.

    It is sponsors that bet all sides, because of his quality of argument, his exposure, in football, he would be “injured” and “on the bench”. The cost is derisory. One pet more or less, prestigious to insiders at least.

    Not really the intent of Assange, not really his goal, a mere side effect.

    Your question translates into “how come he stays alive, he has no job?”. Our answer, a “job” would pull him into the system, sterilize him, into nihilistic existence. A choice. Not your choice.

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  23. annamaria says:
    @Brabantian
    All major governments know that Julian Assange is fake, a CIA asset, there is nothing real about him, this is proven beyond doubt

    Benjamin Netanyahu and Zbigniew Brzezinski have both blurted out loud, that pro-Israel Julian Assange is a fraud run by intelligence agencies, Netanyahu boasting Assange will always protect Israel from any serious 'leaks' coming to him

    Even the story about Assange 'living in the Ecuador embassy for many years' is fake, with UK intel agencies apparently moving him and out of there for his dates to meet with admirers, UK police watching for when the coast is clear, police gagged under UK national security orders

    At least two leakers were quickly dead after trusting Julian Assange & contacting him - Seth Rich & Peter W Smith - and maybe many others we will never hear about ... in Smith's case, the liar Assange says he never received Smith's files, yeah, right ... Assange claims to be concerned about Seth Rich's death ... but maybe CIA-Assange helped kill him, & perhaps others about whom we will never know

    Strangely the authorities are ultra-slow to cut off Assange's fund-raising schemes despite all his allegedly 'illegal' activity

    Assange is connected with another fraud, as Vladimir Putin himself has hinted - 'Edward Snowden' who first allegedly 'leaked' to Bush Vice President Dick Cheney's friend & biographer, ha!
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/21/russia-govt-report-snowden-greenwald-are-cia-frauds/

    The Assange & Snowden hoaxes were first pushed by CIA-tied media like the NY Times & UK Guardian, yet people fall for these fairy tales

    Snowden is promoted by the oily Glenn Greenwald, gay ex-p-rnographer and employee of 3 billionaires in turn, now working for Pierre Omidyar, the CIA funder and backer of crimes against Russians in Ukraine.

    Amongst the many proofs Assange is fake, is Julian's refusal to use the legal files he has on US federal judge bribery corruption, the same data in UK court filings that helped block the extradition of UK hacker Lauri Love ... Because Julian is CIA, he accepts CIA orders to keep quiet about USA federal judge bribery ... Neither Assange nor Snowden utter a peep about proven bribery corruption of the same US judges who would put them 'on trial', even tho those files can block any extradition

    It seems Assange is shuttled in & out from his 'Embassy closet' to the big country house of a Rothschild friend where he seems to actually live, where Julian has all those nice changes of clothing & grooming aids for his Ecuador embassy balcony 'appearances', Ecuador getting dosh to play along

    This game here now, is just a winding down of the Assange fraud - Assange a 'rat trap' for honest whistleblowers.

    Edward Snowden & Julian Assange promote the leading paedophile tool, the Tor browser, developed by CIA-tied spooks (US Naval Research & DARPA Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency) ... the NSA and CIA apparently can track through TOR ... Wikileaks compels you to use Tor to contact them, giving the CIA a heads up about all the duped whistle-blowers who contact faker Julian

    Julian Assange's childhood seems to be involved with a CIA-tied mind-control children's home in Australia, 'The Family', where they dyed the colour of the kids' hair blonde to make them look ... a lot like Julian looks
    http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/assange-family-mind-control.html

    Trusting blindly to and relying on the words of Benjamin Netanyahu and Zbigniew Brzezinski to smear a real man? — This is rich.
    Keep your company. Assange and Snowden are beyond your grade.

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  24. annamaria says:
    @Teresa May
    No mention of Melanie Shaw, currently being tortured in Styal Prison by the UK for revealing sitting members of parliament who raped and abused her as a child.

    Just Assange who like Tomny Robinson works for the chosen people and who revealed the entire membership list of the legally constituted British National Party.

    You bunch of hypocrites. You all have double standards. Assange ruined innocent lives here in the UK but you are not interested in that.

    Assange represents another positive media exposure to you, whereas there is no gain for backing justice for Melanie Shaw who has been in solitary for 18 months and is beaten up almost daily by her fascist State guards. Rumours are that in one beating she has lost the tips of her fingers.

    Assange is pampered compared to Shaw and you bunch of glory seeking hypocrites are barking up the wrong tree, just as the UK want you to.

    Was your post intended to protect the unknown Melanie Shaw or you wanted to slander Assange, along with providing some touching stuff unrelated to Assange? Smells psyop.

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    You can find full information on Melanie Shaw on UKColumn News which you can find on any internet server. Details are also on 21st Century Wire.

    UKColumn News produces a Mon to Fri daily news video available either via their website or in audio only on SoundCloud.

    From the way you talk it is clear you watch too much main stream media trash. UKCloumn is a slightly left wing news channel that looks upon the BBC as State propaganda to give you an idea of their take on UK and world news.
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  25. Dan says:
    @Brabantian
    All major governments know that Julian Assange is fake, a CIA asset, there is nothing real about him, this is proven beyond doubt

    Benjamin Netanyahu and Zbigniew Brzezinski have both blurted out loud, that pro-Israel Julian Assange is a fraud run by intelligence agencies, Netanyahu boasting Assange will always protect Israel from any serious 'leaks' coming to him

    Even the story about Assange 'living in the Ecuador embassy for many years' is fake, with UK intel agencies apparently moving him and out of there for his dates to meet with admirers, UK police watching for when the coast is clear, police gagged under UK national security orders

    At least two leakers were quickly dead after trusting Julian Assange & contacting him - Seth Rich & Peter W Smith - and maybe many others we will never hear about ... in Smith's case, the liar Assange says he never received Smith's files, yeah, right ... Assange claims to be concerned about Seth Rich's death ... but maybe CIA-Assange helped kill him, & perhaps others about whom we will never know

    Strangely the authorities are ultra-slow to cut off Assange's fund-raising schemes despite all his allegedly 'illegal' activity

    Assange is connected with another fraud, as Vladimir Putin himself has hinted - 'Edward Snowden' who first allegedly 'leaked' to Bush Vice President Dick Cheney's friend & biographer, ha!
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/21/russia-govt-report-snowden-greenwald-are-cia-frauds/

    The Assange & Snowden hoaxes were first pushed by CIA-tied media like the NY Times & UK Guardian, yet people fall for these fairy tales

    Snowden is promoted by the oily Glenn Greenwald, gay ex-p-rnographer and employee of 3 billionaires in turn, now working for Pierre Omidyar, the CIA funder and backer of crimes against Russians in Ukraine.

    Amongst the many proofs Assange is fake, is Julian's refusal to use the legal files he has on US federal judge bribery corruption, the same data in UK court filings that helped block the extradition of UK hacker Lauri Love ... Because Julian is CIA, he accepts CIA orders to keep quiet about USA federal judge bribery ... Neither Assange nor Snowden utter a peep about proven bribery corruption of the same US judges who would put them 'on trial', even tho those files can block any extradition

    It seems Assange is shuttled in & out from his 'Embassy closet' to the big country house of a Rothschild friend where he seems to actually live, where Julian has all those nice changes of clothing & grooming aids for his Ecuador embassy balcony 'appearances', Ecuador getting dosh to play along

    This game here now, is just a winding down of the Assange fraud - Assange a 'rat trap' for honest whistleblowers.

    Edward Snowden & Julian Assange promote the leading paedophile tool, the Tor browser, developed by CIA-tied spooks (US Naval Research & DARPA Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency) ... the NSA and CIA apparently can track through TOR ... Wikileaks compels you to use Tor to contact them, giving the CIA a heads up about all the duped whistle-blowers who contact faker Julian

    Julian Assange's childhood seems to be involved with a CIA-tied mind-control children's home in Australia, 'The Family', where they dyed the colour of the kids' hair blonde to make them look ... a lot like Julian looks
    http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/assange-family-mind-control.html

    Israel and 911 are the litmus tests. Assange fails miserably on both.

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    Maybe failing certain litmus tests is needrd to pass others.

    The safest way to be irrelevant and change nothing is trying to change everything and/or "say all truth".
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  26. Sparkon says:

    Unfortunately, Julian Assange fails the 9/11 litmus test, and VIPS loses some credibility for supporting him, in my view.

    Please pay close attention to this excerpt from a July 19, 2010 article by Matthew Bell in the Belfast Telegraph.

    “I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.”

    – Julian Assange

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/wanted-by-the-cia-julian-assange-wikileaks-founder-28548843.html

    Nine years after 9//11, Julian Assange was calling 9/11 a fake conspiracy, and eight years after he said that, VIPS still thinks he’s legitimate.

    And so it goes.

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    Alternatively, unlike your distinguished anonymous self, Julian Assange may actually have some very good evidence.
    , @m___
    An anomaly in Assange's scope of context indeed, probably nothing more, he mostly did not look into the issue. It is already amazing, the scope of formal knowledge he acquired, seen the circumstances.
    , @2stateshmustate
    I see it like this; anyone who defends the US government's bs story regarding 911 is either an ignorant fool or a deliberate liar.
    So if Assange actually said the above quote, he's definitely suspect as far as I'm concerned. I'm assuming Assange has the intellect to see the obvious, that 911 was a false flag operation. Also anyone who uses ridicule to attempt to discredit 911 truthers is working for the enemy.
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  27. Anon[428] • Disclaimer says:

    I am only two degrees of separation from the earliar Assange.

    PreWWW.

    His eagerpenis (don’t laugh, it was the nickname of a now long dead friend) got him iinto trouble.

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  28. anon[697] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sparkon
    Unfortunately, Julian Assange fails the 9/11 litmus test, and VIPS loses some credibility for supporting him, in my view.

    Please pay close attention to this excerpt from a July 19, 2010 article by Matthew Bell in the Belfast Telegraph.

    "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud."

    -- Julian Assange
     
    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/wanted-by-the-cia-julian-assange-wikileaks-founder-28548843.html

    Nine years after 9//11, Julian Assange was calling 9/11 a fake conspiracy, and eight years after he said that, VIPS still thinks he's legitimate.

    And so it goes.

    Alternatively, unlike your distinguished anonymous self, Julian Assange may actually have some very good evidence.

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  29. m___ says:
    @Sparkon
    Unfortunately, Julian Assange fails the 9/11 litmus test, and VIPS loses some credibility for supporting him, in my view.

    Please pay close attention to this excerpt from a July 19, 2010 article by Matthew Bell in the Belfast Telegraph.

    "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud."

    -- Julian Assange
     
    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/wanted-by-the-cia-julian-assange-wikileaks-founder-28548843.html

    Nine years after 9//11, Julian Assange was calling 9/11 a fake conspiracy, and eight years after he said that, VIPS still thinks he's legitimate.

    And so it goes.

    An anomaly in Assange’s scope of context indeed, probably nothing more, he mostly did not look into the issue. It is already amazing, the scope of formal knowledge he acquired, seen the circumstances.

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  30. Anon[305] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan
    Israel and 911 are the litmus tests. Assange fails miserably on both.

    Maybe failing certain litmus tests is needrd to pass others.

    The safest way to be irrelevant and change nothing is trying to change everything and/or “say all truth”.

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    Not asking him to change everything. Merely asking him to speak out on the two most important issues of our time.

    It's not "all truth." It's "these are the two most important things to concentrate on. It all flows from 911 and Israel."

    Any one with half a brain who has given even a cursory look into the events of 911 knows that the official story is a lie, that the operation required incredible planning and resources which only intel agencies are capable of.

    Yet Assange mocks people for daring to look into it. Please. His whole persona doesn't pass the smell test, as the original commenter here alluded to quite well.
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  31. Anon[305] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tom Welsh
    Yes, I have read about people like you in my lifelong study of history.

    There are some people who are so terrified of the mere thought of freedom that they will do anything to support their tyrannical masters.

    I hope that works out well for you. "First they came for Assange..."

    Some?

    Lol

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  32. With the midterm elections a scant 3 months away, it would be insanity for Trump to attempt to prosecute Assange, whose truthful journalism arguably helped him to defeat Hillary. Indeed, if the President is able to dismiss any and all charges, how could it not help his party in November? To hell with what little, ineffectual Jeff Sessions and pompous Mike Pompeo are saying. Assange has suffered more than enough. If nothing else, maybe Putin could find a way to get him safely into Russia.

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  33. @Wizard of Oz
    Australia's major political parties have been shamefully inactive in protecting an Australian citizen from a vicious US pretended-legal savaging and the complicity of Sweden and the UK.

    Whatever happened to Australia? Didn’t it used to be a nation composed of REAL men, like Crocodile Dundee? Now it has become a nation of wimps, afraid to do anything that could incur the wrath of Washington’s psychopaths.

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    Well, not quite, given e.g. Australia's signing up for China's version of the World Bank and continuation of negotiations for the Pacific Free Trade Agreement that Trump took the US out of. However I detect a couple of causes of problems which might disappear if Australia's politicians hung around as long as southern Senators. To start with they probably have no idea how different and how much more complex American politics is compared with Australia's (vaguely knowing that Austealia's 1901 constitution when its six colonies federated has major elements adapted from the US Constitution) and indeed how different the US is from Australia. Then there is the duchessing effect on new politicians. He or she, unlike many new American Cingressmen will have travelled a couple of times at least but will still be novices to receptions at the Australian Embassy in DC and, gee whiz, that meeting and photo with the Prez. A tour of DC think tanks and NY dinners aren't going to get them to the very sceptical view of the US that ur conservative PM Malcolm Fraser got to in retirement.
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  34. @annamaria
    Was your post intended to protect the unknown Melanie Shaw or you wanted to slander Assange, along with providing some touching stuff unrelated to Assange? Smells psyop.

    You can find full information on Melanie Shaw on UKColumn News which you can find on any internet server. Details are also on 21st Century Wire.

    UKColumn News produces a Mon to Fri daily news video available either via their website or in audio only on SoundCloud.

    From the way you talk it is clear you watch too much main stream media trash. UKCloumn is a slightly left wing news channel that looks upon the BBC as State propaganda to give you an idea of their take on UK and world news.

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    Try to be intellectually honest. Assange had enough already of the UK establishment' and the US zionized government' bad-mouthing and threats.
    You supposedly righteous post was a paraphrase of another "righteous" speech by a wife of a prominent war profiteer James Arbuthnot: https://www.rt.com/uk/418820-wikileaks-julian-assange-judge/
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  35. Zogby says:

    Assange is a paranoid nut whose paranoia is accepted at face value by his supporters. It was only after he was arrested on the Swedish warrant and fled to the Embassy that he began promoting this persecution complex that the US is out to get him. For some odd reason, before the arrest, he felt completely safe roaming around Europe shagging women without a condom – even though at that point in time it was at least 2 years after the US ostensibly developed a motive to “get him”.

    Why doesn’t Assange’s lawyer try to negotiate a plea bargain whereby a British court sentences him to 3 months for absconding, the Brits agree to have him transferred to Ecuador to serve his sentence, and both Ecuador and Assange commit for him to fully serve out the sentence?

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    Why doesn’t Assange’s lawyer try to negotiate a plea bargain whereby a British court sentences him to 3 months for absconding, the Brits agree to have him transferred to Ecuador to serve his sentence,
     
    Why A's lawyer doesn't do that? Because the British don't want any agreement. They want to arrest him in any case and they have spent many millions to garantee that he wont escape. If you read the text, you'll see that Sweden wanted to drop accusations against him years ago, but that Britain made pressure so that Sweden doesn't drop the case. You don't have to be specially bright to understand why Britain wants so much to arrest him, even if the sentence that he would get in Britain ist very short, if any at all.
    , @annamaria
    Is this a deeply hidden but unbounded envy towards a man of principles and courage?
    Tell us about your exploits, mysterious "Zogby."
    Seems that you are firmly in a company of another non-admirer of Assange, Mrs. Clinton that wanted to drone Assange. Nevermind that Clinton's stupidity has inflicted a humongous harm to the US national security when a highly-classified information on her server became available to Chinese IC for years.
    But for you and Clintons, the exposure by Assange of the crimes committed by the US &Co is intolerable.

    "Hillary Clinton suggested assassinating founder Julian Assange via a drone strike." https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/julian-assange-drone-strike/

    'The FBI concealed intelligence confirming Chinese state-backed ‘assets’ had illegally acquired former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s 30,000+ “missing” emails:" http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/07/httpstruepunditcomfbi-lisa-page-dimes-out-top-fbi-officials-during-classified-house-testimony-bureau-bos.html

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  36. @Zogby
    Assange is a paranoid nut whose paranoia is accepted at face value by his supporters. It was only after he was arrested on the Swedish warrant and fled to the Embassy that he began promoting this persecution complex that the US is out to get him. For some odd reason, before the arrest, he felt completely safe roaming around Europe shagging women without a condom - even though at that point in time it was at least 2 years after the US ostensibly developed a motive to "get him".

    Why doesn't Assange's lawyer try to negotiate a plea bargain whereby a British court sentences him to 3 months for absconding, the Brits agree to have him transferred to Ecuador to serve his sentence, and both Ecuador and Assange commit for him to fully serve out the sentence?

    Why doesn’t Assange’s lawyer try to negotiate a plea bargain whereby a British court sentences him to 3 months for absconding, the Brits agree to have him transferred to Ecuador to serve his sentence,

    Why A’s lawyer doesn’t do that? Because the British don’t want any agreement. They want to arrest him in any case and they have spent many millions to garantee that he wont escape. If you read the text, you’ll see that Sweden wanted to drop accusations against him years ago, but that Britain made pressure so that Sweden doesn’t drop the case. You don’t have to be specially bright to understand why Britain wants so much to arrest him, even if the sentence that he would get in Britain ist very short, if any at all.

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  37. @Brabantian
    All major governments know that Julian Assange is fake, a CIA asset, there is nothing real about him, this is proven beyond doubt

    Benjamin Netanyahu and Zbigniew Brzezinski have both blurted out loud, that pro-Israel Julian Assange is a fraud run by intelligence agencies, Netanyahu boasting Assange will always protect Israel from any serious 'leaks' coming to him

    Even the story about Assange 'living in the Ecuador embassy for many years' is fake, with UK intel agencies apparently moving him and out of there for his dates to meet with admirers, UK police watching for when the coast is clear, police gagged under UK national security orders

    At least two leakers were quickly dead after trusting Julian Assange & contacting him - Seth Rich & Peter W Smith - and maybe many others we will never hear about ... in Smith's case, the liar Assange says he never received Smith's files, yeah, right ... Assange claims to be concerned about Seth Rich's death ... but maybe CIA-Assange helped kill him, & perhaps others about whom we will never know

    Strangely the authorities are ultra-slow to cut off Assange's fund-raising schemes despite all his allegedly 'illegal' activity

    Assange is connected with another fraud, as Vladimir Putin himself has hinted - 'Edward Snowden' who first allegedly 'leaked' to Bush Vice President Dick Cheney's friend & biographer, ha!
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/21/russia-govt-report-snowden-greenwald-are-cia-frauds/

    The Assange & Snowden hoaxes were first pushed by CIA-tied media like the NY Times & UK Guardian, yet people fall for these fairy tales

    Snowden is promoted by the oily Glenn Greenwald, gay ex-p-rnographer and employee of 3 billionaires in turn, now working for Pierre Omidyar, the CIA funder and backer of crimes against Russians in Ukraine.

    Amongst the many proofs Assange is fake, is Julian's refusal to use the legal files he has on US federal judge bribery corruption, the same data in UK court filings that helped block the extradition of UK hacker Lauri Love ... Because Julian is CIA, he accepts CIA orders to keep quiet about USA federal judge bribery ... Neither Assange nor Snowden utter a peep about proven bribery corruption of the same US judges who would put them 'on trial', even tho those files can block any extradition

    It seems Assange is shuttled in & out from his 'Embassy closet' to the big country house of a Rothschild friend where he seems to actually live, where Julian has all those nice changes of clothing & grooming aids for his Ecuador embassy balcony 'appearances', Ecuador getting dosh to play along

    This game here now, is just a winding down of the Assange fraud - Assange a 'rat trap' for honest whistleblowers.

    Edward Snowden & Julian Assange promote the leading paedophile tool, the Tor browser, developed by CIA-tied spooks (US Naval Research & DARPA Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency) ... the NSA and CIA apparently can track through TOR ... Wikileaks compels you to use Tor to contact them, giving the CIA a heads up about all the duped whistle-blowers who contact faker Julian

    Julian Assange's childhood seems to be involved with a CIA-tied mind-control children's home in Australia, 'The Family', where they dyed the colour of the kids' hair blonde to make them look ... a lot like Julian looks
    http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/assange-family-mind-control.html

    It seems Assange is shuttled in & out from his ‘Embassy closet’ to the big country house of a Rothschild friend where he seems to actually live,

    I’ve heard he is really living there together with Elvis Presley.

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  38. Dan says:
    @Anon
    Maybe failing certain litmus tests is needrd to pass others.

    The safest way to be irrelevant and change nothing is trying to change everything and/or "say all truth".

    Not asking him to change everything. Merely asking him to speak out on the two most important issues of our time.

    It’s not “all truth.” It’s “these are the two most important things to concentrate on. It all flows from 911 and Israel.”

    Any one with half a brain who has given even a cursory look into the events of 911 knows that the official story is a lie, that the operation required incredible planning and resources which only intel agencies are capable of.

    Yet Assange mocks people for daring to look into it. Please. His whole persona doesn’t pass the smell test, as the original commenter here alluded to quite well.

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    If you are a knowledgeable and courageous person, why don't you begin your own movement "911 and Israel?"
    Are you on fire about the 9/11 event? -- Then do act. Otherwise, you behave like a child looking for a daddy-figure to do a job for you.
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  39. The safest place on Earth for Assange is Mexico. If he asks for asylum in Mexico and he gets it, he would be safe for ever. Nobody in the world dares to enter Mexico without the permission of Mex government. Even China, Russia and USA with all their atomic arsenal, fear Mexico ( I dont know why, since Mexico is not powerful and could be easily destroyed by a strong nation). When some Mexican kills and American in USA, the police of USA can not enter Mexico to chase him. If they can get the permission of government, they can enter but unarmed. Foreigners can not carry a gun in Mexico. SO USA would find impossible to catch Assange and take him to USA for a trial. And Mexico would never accept to extradite him to USA, because that would make Mexican government to look as a puppet of Washington.

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    When did the great Trotsky Transformation come over Mexico?
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  40. tac says:
    @annamaria
    Only after Michael Ledeen (of a yellow cake fame, see destroyed Iraq) and Mrs. Clinton (see her willful violation of cybersecurity rules that led to a longitudinal collection by Chinese IC of the highly classified information). Actually, let's add Debbie Wassermann-Schultz to the group, for good measure, considering the gravest ever violation of the US cybersecurity conducted by Debbie's protege Mr. Awan & Co.
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/24/wasserman-schultz-threatened-police-chief-for-gathering-evidence-on-her-it-staffers-alleged-crimes/
    "Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz threatened the chief of the U.S. Capitol Police with “consequences” for holding equipment that she says belongs to her in order to build a criminal case against a Pakistani staffer suspected of massive cybersecurity breaches involving funneling sensitive congressional data offsite."

    OT …. BREAKING NEWS: Microsoft threatens to shut down Gab.ai (alternative to Twitter) in 48 hours (Gab.ai is hosted on Microsoft Azure)

    https://gab.ai/a/posts/31242665

    https://gab.ai/Patrick_little/posts/31260008

    however, bitchute (alternative to YouTube) reached out to Gab.ai with an offer to host it.

    https://gab.ai/BitChute/posts/31254153

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/3ACnK4KMRgvK/

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  41. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @m___
    What you say is historically, in any locality, whatever religion, any ethnicity, all distinc territories true. The bulk of human individuals, groups, the Normals or the Associals regardless never held power and wealth. (hinting to C. J. Hopkins terminology)

    For now Assange belongs in the Associals category. When absorbed ever, in the opaque, small cross border elites (the hidden third player), he for one might belong more then anybody our bread writers and middle class mercenaries provide to public exposure.

    As for now, Assange is still a mere Associal with little argument as to his ego or career advancements o-r his use to any elites to further short term in-group interests. The ones that finance Wikileaks and Assange are the ones that position themselves for an in case, there is always elite groups that finance both sides at that level. Say a few hundred of thousands of dollars to keep a multi billion media and justice and policy industry alive is always a nice trade off ... to the other side (not Assange and his misery).

    It is true that the Assange's dna holds the key to measuring myriad expressions of foul thinking and the limited cognitive capacity and the criminal intent of our elites. All of them, thus making him the best tool of our times to quantify elite incompetence and criminal mindset. All said and done, the core cause for the state of humanity and it's dynamics.

    We think it is better to quell our religious instincts and stop leveling Assange as a willing God actor, the almighty, the never wrong, the all encompassing, and see his labor as a suggestion of adapting humans to something else then the obviously flawed models we adhere to, and reward for, as societies.

    To acquire the skill and to master the global historical and political knowledge, and at the same time, to steadfastly hold to, or to up-hold, the belief [that most of the humans in the world believe in hope for honesty from those who are allowed to lead] and then to commit oneself to six years of self imprisonment in order to express such a belief by exposing hidden document after hidden document is not something playing king of the liars club at the neighborhood bar is likely to teach. Learning football, tennis, golf, chasing women in underwear, and playing underwater badminton, earning a Phd, gown, cap and all cannot compare to successfully positioning oneself to expose the rotten corrupt wealthy assholes that make their living by squeezing the life out of the masses. It is Assange’s commitment to reveal corruption that demands humanity to step forward and to defend the person of Assange.

    I do not mean to be abusive to you or to your right to speak, but I too have the right to speak, and I say “trying to make truth seekers who devote their lives to finding and sharing the truth in to some kind of pervert is un acceptable Challenging the truth by making its messenger (Assange) into public enemy no 1 is unacceptable. The corrupt privately owned media and its allies are tying to make Assange into public enemy number one.

    No one can deny that Assange gave his considerable all to his fellow man and now those whose corruptions he exposed seek to make Assange into a villain. The person Assange is not the point even if he was Trojan, it would not matter, because Assange showed the world the corrupt can be exposed. The point is, someone has to take a stand against corruption and organized crime. Assange made that stand. Its up to humanity to defend him for it.

    The essence of your message seems to be appearing in various media in the past few hours. Thanks for the reply.

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    No one can deny that Assange gave his considerable all to his fellow man...
     
    Agree.

    Assange made that stand.
     
    He did. I am just having a nagging feeling that Assange is having second thoughts about that. Like....."was that really worth it?".

    Its up to humanity to defend him for it.
     
    Now, that's just funny.
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  42. @follyofwar
    Whatever happened to Australia? Didn't it used to be a nation composed of REAL men, like Crocodile Dundee? Now it has become a nation of wimps, afraid to do anything that could incur the wrath of Washington's psychopaths.

    Well, not quite, given e.g. Australia’s signing up for China’s version of the World Bank and continuation of negotiations for the Pacific Free Trade Agreement that Trump took the US out of. However I detect a couple of causes of problems which might disappear if Australia’s politicians hung around as long as southern Senators. To start with they probably have no idea how different and how much more complex American politics is compared with Australia’s (vaguely knowing that Austealia’s 1901 constitution when its six colonies federated has major elements adapted from the US Constitution) and indeed how different the US is from Australia. Then there is the duchessing effect on new politicians. He or she, unlike many new American Cingressmen will have travelled a couple of times at least but will still be novices to receptions at the Australian Embassy in DC and, gee whiz, that meeting and photo with the Prez. A tour of DC think tanks and NY dinners aren’t going to get them to the very sceptical view of the US that ur conservative PM Malcolm Fraser got to in retirement.

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  43. @Jack Ripper
    The safest place on Earth for Assange is Mexico. If he asks for asylum in Mexico and he gets it, he would be safe for ever. Nobody in the world dares to enter Mexico without the permission of Mex government. Even China, Russia and USA with all their atomic arsenal, fear Mexico ( I dont know why, since Mexico is not powerful and could be easily destroyed by a strong nation). When some Mexican kills and American in USA, the police of USA can not enter Mexico to chase him. If they can get the permission of government, they can enter but unarmed. Foreigners can not carry a gun in Mexico. SO USA would find impossible to catch Assange and take him to USA for a trial. And Mexico would never accept to extradite him to USA, because that would make Mexican government to look as a puppet of Washington.

    When did the great Trotsky Transformation come over Mexico?

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  44. peterAUS says:
    @anon
    To acquire the skill and to master the global historical and political knowledge, and at the same time, to steadfastly hold to, or to up-hold, the belief [that most of the humans in the world believe in hope for honesty from those who are allowed to lead] and then to commit oneself to six years of self imprisonment in order to express such a belief by exposing hidden document after hidden document is not something playing king of the liars club at the neighborhood bar is likely to teach. Learning football, tennis, golf, chasing women in underwear, and playing underwater badminton, earning a Phd, gown, cap and all cannot compare to successfully positioning oneself to expose the rotten corrupt wealthy assholes that make their living by squeezing the life out of the masses. It is Assange's commitment to reveal corruption that demands humanity to step forward and to defend the person of Assange.

    I do not mean to be abusive to you or to your right to speak, but I too have the right to speak, and I say "trying to make truth seekers who devote their lives to finding and sharing the truth in to some kind of pervert is un acceptable Challenging the truth by making its messenger (Assange) into public enemy no 1 is unacceptable. The corrupt privately owned media and its allies are tying to make Assange into public enemy number one.

    No one can deny that Assange gave his considerable all to his fellow man and now those whose corruptions he exposed seek to make Assange into a villain. The person Assange is not the point even if he was Trojan, it would not matter, because Assange showed the world the corrupt can be exposed. The point is, someone has to take a stand against corruption and organized crime. Assange made that stand. Its up to humanity to defend him for it.

    The essence of your message seems to be appearing in various media in the past few hours. Thanks for the reply.

    No one can deny that Assange gave his considerable all to his fellow man…

    Agree.

    Assange made that stand.

    He did. I am just having a nagging feeling that Assange is having second thoughts about that. Like…..”was that really worth it?”.

    Its up to humanity to defend him for it.

    Now, that’s just funny.

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    "Now, that's just funny."

    Thanks for your just alignment, and your ad-value.

    Indeed, the mean value of our middle class mercenaries, seems to be expressed into reality. It is to them that Assange applies format and content of his message. It is this mirrored message that scares them all, to the point of being silenced and the meager "for humanitarian reasons" does not alter the general state of being spooked.

    Assange exposes systemics, both method and content are original, and indeed, as the world goes, he appears as a bad dream to the inflated egos of serviles to despickable elites. It reminds them of their mice-ery nitpicking and local, confined contexts narratives. Indeed again they will not change, they simply do not have the cognizance and potential to play in a league, where quality ideas and concepts, not dark suits float. Darker times will prevail.
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  45. @Sparkon
    Unfortunately, Julian Assange fails the 9/11 litmus test, and VIPS loses some credibility for supporting him, in my view.

    Please pay close attention to this excerpt from a July 19, 2010 article by Matthew Bell in the Belfast Telegraph.

    "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud."

    -- Julian Assange
     
    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/wanted-by-the-cia-julian-assange-wikileaks-founder-28548843.html

    Nine years after 9//11, Julian Assange was calling 9/11 a fake conspiracy, and eight years after he said that, VIPS still thinks he's legitimate.

    And so it goes.

    I see it like this; anyone who defends the US government’s bs story regarding 911 is either an ignorant fool or a deliberate liar.
    So if Assange actually said the above quote, he’s definitely suspect as far as I’m concerned. I’m assuming Assange has the intellect to see the obvious, that 911 was a false flag operation. Also anyone who uses ridicule to attempt to discredit 911 truthers is working for the enemy.

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  46. annamaria says:
    @Dan
    Not asking him to change everything. Merely asking him to speak out on the two most important issues of our time.

    It's not "all truth." It's "these are the two most important things to concentrate on. It all flows from 911 and Israel."

    Any one with half a brain who has given even a cursory look into the events of 911 knows that the official story is a lie, that the operation required incredible planning and resources which only intel agencies are capable of.

    Yet Assange mocks people for daring to look into it. Please. His whole persona doesn't pass the smell test, as the original commenter here alluded to quite well.

    If you are a knowledgeable and courageous person, why don’t you begin your own movement “911 and Israel?”
    Are you on fire about the 9/11 event? — Then do act. Otherwise, you behave like a child looking for a daddy-figure to do a job for you.

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  47. annamaria says:
    @Teresa May
    You can find full information on Melanie Shaw on UKColumn News which you can find on any internet server. Details are also on 21st Century Wire.

    UKColumn News produces a Mon to Fri daily news video available either via their website or in audio only on SoundCloud.

    From the way you talk it is clear you watch too much main stream media trash. UKCloumn is a slightly left wing news channel that looks upon the BBC as State propaganda to give you an idea of their take on UK and world news.

    Try to be intellectually honest. Assange had enough already of the UK establishment’ and the US zionized government’ bad-mouthing and threats.
    You supposedly righteous post was a paraphrase of another “righteous” speech by a wife of a prominent war profiteer James Arbuthnot: https://www.rt.com/uk/418820-wikileaks-julian-assange-judge/

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  48. annamaria says:
    @Zogby
    Assange is a paranoid nut whose paranoia is accepted at face value by his supporters. It was only after he was arrested on the Swedish warrant and fled to the Embassy that he began promoting this persecution complex that the US is out to get him. For some odd reason, before the arrest, he felt completely safe roaming around Europe shagging women without a condom - even though at that point in time it was at least 2 years after the US ostensibly developed a motive to "get him".

    Why doesn't Assange's lawyer try to negotiate a plea bargain whereby a British court sentences him to 3 months for absconding, the Brits agree to have him transferred to Ecuador to serve his sentence, and both Ecuador and Assange commit for him to fully serve out the sentence?

    Is this a deeply hidden but unbounded envy towards a man of principles and courage?
    Tell us about your exploits, mysterious “Zogby.”
    Seems that you are firmly in a company of another non-admirer of Assange, Mrs. Clinton that wanted to drone Assange. Nevermind that Clinton’s stupidity has inflicted a humongous harm to the US national security when a highly-classified information on her server became available to Chinese IC for years.
    But for you and Clintons, the exposure by Assange of the crimes committed by the US &Co is intolerable.

    “Hillary Clinton suggested assassinating founder Julian Assange via a drone strike.” https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/julian-assange-drone-strike/

    ‘The FBI concealed intelligence confirming Chinese state-backed ‘assets’ had illegally acquired former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s 30,000+ “missing” emails:” http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/07/httpstruepunditcomfbi-lisa-page-dimes-out-top-fbi-officials-during-classified-house-testimony-bureau-bos.html

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  49. m___ says:
    @peterAUS

    No one can deny that Assange gave his considerable all to his fellow man...
     
    Agree.

    Assange made that stand.
     
    He did. I am just having a nagging feeling that Assange is having second thoughts about that. Like....."was that really worth it?".

    Its up to humanity to defend him for it.
     
    Now, that's just funny.

    “Now, that’s just funny.”

    Thanks for your just alignment, and your ad-value.

    Indeed, the mean value of our middle class mercenaries, seems to be expressed into reality. It is to them that Assange applies format and content of his message. It is this mirrored message that scares them all, to the point of being silenced and the meager “for humanitarian reasons” does not alter the general state of being spooked.

    Assange exposes systemics, both method and content are original, and indeed, as the world goes, he appears as a bad dream to the inflated egos of serviles to despickable elites. It reminds them of their mice-ery nitpicking and local, confined contexts narratives. Indeed again they will not change, they simply do not have the cognizance and potential to play in a league, where quality ideas and concepts, not dark suits float. Darker times will prevail.

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    It is to them that Assange applies format and content of his message. It is this mirrored message that scares them all, to the point of being silenced and the meager “for humanitarian reasons” does not alter the general state of being spooked.
     
    Yup.
    They knew it before, they know it now. It's scary and humiliating, actually. They can't have that.

    ....he appears as a bad dream to the inflated egos of serviles..
    ..It reminds them of their mice-ery nitpicking and local, confined contexts narratives.
     
    Agree.

    Indeed again they will not change...
    Darker times will prevail.
     
    Agree.

    As a true idealist Assange overestimated a "commoner". Not his/her intelligence, education, whatever...his her integrity, or, at the very basic level just simple moral courage.
    He did believe, as plenty of good people with good intentions do now in that naive stupidity..."if people only knew..." . "If we can pass the message, the truth, to people all will be fine". We can see that even in this meager Webzine.
    No.
    People do know all that. They simply do NOT care.

    Now...why they don't care is, perhaps, a topic of some interest.
    Uncomfortable topic, for true idealists.
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  50. peterAUS says:
    @m___
    "Now, that's just funny."

    Thanks for your just alignment, and your ad-value.

    Indeed, the mean value of our middle class mercenaries, seems to be expressed into reality. It is to them that Assange applies format and content of his message. It is this mirrored message that scares them all, to the point of being silenced and the meager "for humanitarian reasons" does not alter the general state of being spooked.

    Assange exposes systemics, both method and content are original, and indeed, as the world goes, he appears as a bad dream to the inflated egos of serviles to despickable elites. It reminds them of their mice-ery nitpicking and local, confined contexts narratives. Indeed again they will not change, they simply do not have the cognizance and potential to play in a league, where quality ideas and concepts, not dark suits float. Darker times will prevail.

    It is to them that Assange applies format and content of his message. It is this mirrored message that scares them all, to the point of being silenced and the meager “for humanitarian reasons” does not alter the general state of being spooked.

    Yup.
    They knew it before, they know it now. It’s scary and humiliating, actually. They can’t have that.

    ….he appears as a bad dream to the inflated egos of serviles..
    ..It reminds them of their mice-ery nitpicking and local, confined contexts narratives.

    Agree.

    Indeed again they will not change…
    Darker times will prevail.

    Agree.

    As a true idealist Assange overestimated a “commoner”. Not his/her intelligence, education, whatever…his her integrity, or, at the very basic level just simple moral courage.
    He did believe, as plenty of good people with good intentions do now in that naive stupidity…”if people only knew…” . “If we can pass the message, the truth, to people all will be fine”. We can see that even in this meager Webzine.
    No.
    People do know all that. They simply do NOT care.

    Now…why they don’t care is, perhaps, a topic of some interest.
    Uncomfortable topic, for true idealists.

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    Agree, eventually Assange is either versed into the elites, his chances being close to nil, since his message is not exploitable, ...or from the start till his martyr end, he is ignored as to systemic change.

    Side consequence, the outliers (not Gladwell's), individuals who grasp at a deeper level the idiocy of the human circus, and are "cleared" by the educational, corporate, public service and all other career systems, are certainly inspired, and might take the hint. The expression of such an incentive in any case is a time-line of generations at best.

    Sad to all, come rain come shine, a dead man walking. He does know this himself, his courage is physical and tenuous indeed.

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  51. crimson2 says:
    @Tom Welsh
    Yes, I have read about people like you in my lifelong study of history.

    There are some people who are so terrified of the mere thought of freedom that they will do anything to support their tyrannical masters.

    I hope that works out well for you. "First they came for Assange..."

    The whole “First they came for Assange…” argument means so much on this antisemitic website.

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    The whole “First they came for Assange…” argument means so much on this antisemitic website.
     
    The "first they came" litany was written by Niemoeller, who was neither a "semite" nor an "anti-semite" but a Lutheran Christian from Germany.
    , @annamaria
    How "semitic" are you, Crimson2? If you are a progeny of Soviet emigres, then not much. The Semitic inhabitants of Palestine (currently the supremacist theocratic Jewish State) are Palestinians who are hoarded in a large concentration camp of Gaza Ghetto.
    Neither Bibi nor Avi Lieberman is a Semite. They are the holo-biz imposters of a felonious kind.
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  52. crimson2 says:
    @annamaria
    Only after Michael Ledeen (of a yellow cake fame, see destroyed Iraq) and Mrs. Clinton (see her willful violation of cybersecurity rules that led to a longitudinal collection by Chinese IC of the highly classified information). Actually, let's add Debbie Wassermann-Schultz to the group, for good measure, considering the gravest ever violation of the US cybersecurity conducted by Debbie's protege Mr. Awan & Co.
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/24/wasserman-schultz-threatened-police-chief-for-gathering-evidence-on-her-it-staffers-alleged-crimes/
    "Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz threatened the chief of the U.S. Capitol Police with “consequences” for holding equipment that she says belongs to her in order to build a criminal case against a Pakistani staffer suspected of massive cybersecurity breaches involving funneling sensitive congressional data offsite."

    Not interested in your dumb conspiracy theories, bud.

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    "Not interested in your dumb conspiracy theories..." -- "crimson2" has spoken.
    -- Well, could you, "crimson2," indicate which of the well-documented cases, mentioned in the post, belong to the "dumb conspiracy theories?"

    1. Michael Ledeen of a yellow cake fame: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2005/7/22/132717/-)
    "Michael Ledeen was one of the founders of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA). He holds the Freedom Chair at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), a think tank for AIPAC. He is co-founder of the Coalition for Democracy in Iran. As far back as 1980, the CIA allegedly listed Ledeen as an agent of influence of Israel.
    The Pentagon downgraded Ledeen's security clearances from Top Secret-SCI to Secret in the mid-1980s, after the FBI began a probe of Ledeen for passing classified materials to a foreign country, believed to be Israel.
    In 2001, Ledeen was hired by Feith [the Idiot] to work on contract for the Office of Special Plans.
    It was Ledeen who got Israeli spy Jonathon Pollard his job in the [US] Navy.
    It was Ledeen who insisted on using Manucher Ghorbanifar, the Mossad double agent, in the Iran-Contra affair.
    It was Ledeen who organized the meeting between Rhodes, Franklin and Ghorbanifar on Dec. 1, 2001 in Rome [for organizing the yellow cake fraud]. Franklin was put under arrest for allegedly giving state secrets to Israel through AIPAC."

    2. Hilary Clinton's willful violation of cybersecurity rules led to a longitudinal collection by Chinese IC of the highly classified information: http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/07/httpstruepunditcomfbi-lisa-page-dimes-out-top-fbi-officials-during-classified-house-testimony-bureau-bos.html
    "Page confirmed China penetration of Clinton's e-mail: The embattled Page tossed James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok and Bill Priestap among others under the Congressional bus, alleging the upper echelon of the FBI concealed intelligence confirming Chinese state-backed ‘assets’ had illegally acquired former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s 30,000+ “missing” emails, federal sources said."

    3. Debbie Wassermann-Schultz was involved in the gravest ever violation of the US cybersecurity conducted by Debbie’s protege Mr. Awan & Co: https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/debbie-wasserman-schultz-awan-brothers-scandal-raises-questions-9532774
    “Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz threatened the chief of the U.S. Capitol Police with “consequences” for holding equipment that she says belongs to her in order to build a criminal case against a Pakistani staffer suspected of massive cybersecurity breaches involving funneling sensitive congressional data offsite.” http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/24/wasserman-schultz-threatened-police-chief-for-gathering-evidence-on-her-it-staffers-alleged-crimes/

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  53. m___ says:
    @peterAUS

    It is to them that Assange applies format and content of his message. It is this mirrored message that scares them all, to the point of being silenced and the meager “for humanitarian reasons” does not alter the general state of being spooked.
     
    Yup.
    They knew it before, they know it now. It's scary and humiliating, actually. They can't have that.

    ....he appears as a bad dream to the inflated egos of serviles..
    ..It reminds them of their mice-ery nitpicking and local, confined contexts narratives.
     
    Agree.

    Indeed again they will not change...
    Darker times will prevail.
     
    Agree.

    As a true idealist Assange overestimated a "commoner". Not his/her intelligence, education, whatever...his her integrity, or, at the very basic level just simple moral courage.
    He did believe, as plenty of good people with good intentions do now in that naive stupidity..."if people only knew..." . "If we can pass the message, the truth, to people all will be fine". We can see that even in this meager Webzine.
    No.
    People do know all that. They simply do NOT care.

    Now...why they don't care is, perhaps, a topic of some interest.
    Uncomfortable topic, for true idealists.

    Agree, eventually Assange is either versed into the elites, his chances being close to nil, since his message is not exploitable, …or from the start till his martyr end, he is ignored as to systemic change.

    Side consequence, the outliers (not Gladwell’s), individuals who grasp at a deeper level the idiocy of the human circus, and are “cleared” by the educational, corporate, public service and all other career systems, are certainly inspired, and might take the hint. The expression of such an incentive in any case is a time-line of generations at best.

    Sad to all, come rain come shine, a dead man walking. He does know this himself, his courage is physical and tenuous indeed.

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    Side consequence, the outliers (not Gladwell’s), individuals who grasp at a deeper level the idiocy of the human circus, and are “cleared” by the educational, corporate, public service and all other career systems, are certainly inspired, and might take the hint.
     
    Well, I guess that a lot of people have.
    "Keep a low profile"...."don't stick out"......"try to find own 'cubicle' within this paradigm". Fuck the rest.

    Sad to all, come rain come shine, a dead man walking. He does know this himself, his courage is physical and tenuous indeed.
     
    Yes.

    If those people, he made a move for, spared just 1 % of their time and effort from entertainment, social media and shopping on his plight, all this would've been quite different.

    As I said....he is probably having second thoughts about all that. "What the fuck did I do it for?".
    Too late now.

    Not only he didn't make the change he was hoping for, he is actually quite nicely serving the very agendas of people he made a move against. An example of what happens to those who try to challenge the Power.
    Working well as we speak.
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  54. annamaria says:
    @crimson2
    Not interested in your dumb conspiracy theories, bud.

    “Not interested in your dumb conspiracy theories…” — “crimson2″ has spoken.
    – Well, could you, “crimson2,” indicate which of the well-documented cases, mentioned in the post, belong to the “dumb conspiracy theories?”

    1. Michael Ledeen of a yellow cake fame: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2005/7/22/132717/-)
    “Michael Ledeen was one of the founders of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA). He holds the Freedom Chair at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), a think tank for AIPAC. He is co-founder of the Coalition for Democracy in Iran. As far back as 1980, the CIA allegedly listed Ledeen as an agent of influence of Israel.
    The Pentagon downgraded Ledeen’s security clearances from Top Secret-SCI to Secret in the mid-1980s, after the FBI began a probe of Ledeen for passing classified materials to a foreign country, believed to be Israel.
    In 2001, Ledeen was hired by Feith [the Idiot] to work on contract for the Office of Special Plans.
    It was Ledeen who got Israeli spy Jonathon Pollard his job in the [US] Navy.
    It was Ledeen who insisted on using Manucher Ghorbanifar, the Mossad double agent, in the Iran-Contra affair.
    It was Ledeen who organized the meeting between Rhodes, Franklin and Ghorbanifar on Dec. 1, 2001 in Rome [for organizing the yellow cake fraud]. Franklin was put under arrest for allegedly giving state secrets to Israel through AIPAC.”

    2. Hilary Clinton’s willful violation of cybersecurity rules led to a longitudinal collection by Chinese IC of the highly classified information: http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/07/httpstruepunditcomfbi-lisa-page-dimes-out-top-fbi-officials-during-classified-house-testimony-bureau-bos.html
    “Page confirmed China penetration of Clinton’s e-mail: The embattled Page tossed James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok and Bill Priestap among others under the Congressional bus, alleging the upper echelon of the FBI concealed intelligence confirming Chinese state-backed ‘assets’ had illegally acquired former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s 30,000+ “missing” emails, federal sources said.”

    3. Debbie Wassermann-Schultz was involved in the gravest ever violation of the US cybersecurity conducted by Debbie’s protege Mr. Awan & Co: https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/debbie-wasserman-schultz-awan-brothers-scandal-raises-questions-9532774
    “Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz threatened the chief of the U.S. Capitol Police with “consequences” for holding equipment that she says belongs to her in order to build a criminal case against a Pakistani staffer suspected of massive cybersecurity breaches involving funneling sensitive congressional data offsite.” http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/24/wasserman-schultz-threatened-police-chief-for-gathering-evidence-on-her-it-staffers-alleged-crimes/

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  55. peterAUS says:
    @m___
    Agree, eventually Assange is either versed into the elites, his chances being close to nil, since his message is not exploitable, ...or from the start till his martyr end, he is ignored as to systemic change.

    Side consequence, the outliers (not Gladwell's), individuals who grasp at a deeper level the idiocy of the human circus, and are "cleared" by the educational, corporate, public service and all other career systems, are certainly inspired, and might take the hint. The expression of such an incentive in any case is a time-line of generations at best.

    Sad to all, come rain come shine, a dead man walking. He does know this himself, his courage is physical and tenuous indeed.

    Side consequence, the outliers (not Gladwell’s), individuals who grasp at a deeper level the idiocy of the human circus, and are “cleared” by the educational, corporate, public service and all other career systems, are certainly inspired, and might take the hint.

    Well, I guess that a lot of people have.
    “Keep a low profile”….”don’t stick out”……”try to find own ‘cubicle’ within this paradigm”. Fuck the rest.

    Sad to all, come rain come shine, a dead man walking. He does know this himself, his courage is physical and tenuous indeed.

    Yes.

    If those people, he made a move for, spared just 1 % of their time and effort from entertainment, social media and shopping on his plight, all this would’ve been quite different.

    As I said….he is probably having second thoughts about all that. “What the fuck did I do it for?”.
    Too late now.

    Not only he didn’t make the change he was hoping for, he is actually quite nicely serving the very agendas of people he made a move against. An example of what happens to those who try to challenge the Power.
    Working well as we speak.

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    Lots of folks don't like him like the Fox news pundit said: "Shoot the SOB!" He's sort of off to the side in the news and molders there in the old building in London. The new king of the tiny latin american country has a new policy on it.

    The whole thing is too much like a operation from the get go, why don't he bargain against the ''PTBe'' to be freed or he will let loose some really bad info, such that he would be assured of safely to just go retire and disappear, (figuratively that is, as he would have to go on existing and to remain a presence from then on to make the thing plausible.) But he could just, go, ''fade away..."

    Not only he didn’t make the change he was hoping for, he is actually quite nicely serving the very agendas of people he made a move against. An example of what happens to those who try to challenge the Power.
    Working well as we speak.
     
    Like you seem to say, he really does provide a wonderful/terrible example… (Object Lesson for the rest of the would be muck-rakers out there in the internets.)
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  56. m___ says:

    “Keep a low profile”….”don’t stick out”……”try to find own ‘cubicle’ within this paradigm”. Fuck the rest.

    Agree, there is some morbid satisfaction and a fun factor in seeing things going to hell.

    Since opacity is a requisite of power, the only invisible super glue as for now is capital, access to capital, pulling capital out of one’s hat. Do not worry, no commoner will notice, and the middle class accepts the crumbs. Super glue has a bright future ahead. It will take a genetic re-engineering of human nature and have it propagate to squeeze water out of commoner rock, and lemon out of middle class limes.

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  57. Mike P says:
    @crimson2
    The whole "First they came for Assange..." argument means so much on this antisemitic website.

    The whole “First they came for Assange…” argument means so much on this antisemitic website.

    The “first they came” litany was written by Niemoeller, who was neither a “semite” nor an “anti-semite” but a Lutheran Christian from Germany.

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  58. @Biff
    Enemies of the State shilling for the enemy of the State. I can only wish them luck, but they are not dealing with normal criminals. They are dealing with some of the most lethal criminals on the planet that give no quarter.

    God save Assange...

    Yup, earnest pleas appealing to Assange’s persecutors’ (nonexistent) sense of reason and justice are all but useless. God help him, indeed…

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  59. edNels says:
    @peterAUS

    Side consequence, the outliers (not Gladwell’s), individuals who grasp at a deeper level the idiocy of the human circus, and are “cleared” by the educational, corporate, public service and all other career systems, are certainly inspired, and might take the hint.
     
    Well, I guess that a lot of people have.
    "Keep a low profile"...."don't stick out"......"try to find own 'cubicle' within this paradigm". Fuck the rest.

    Sad to all, come rain come shine, a dead man walking. He does know this himself, his courage is physical and tenuous indeed.
     
    Yes.

    If those people, he made a move for, spared just 1 % of their time and effort from entertainment, social media and shopping on his plight, all this would've been quite different.

    As I said....he is probably having second thoughts about all that. "What the fuck did I do it for?".
    Too late now.

    Not only he didn't make the change he was hoping for, he is actually quite nicely serving the very agendas of people he made a move against. An example of what happens to those who try to challenge the Power.
    Working well as we speak.

    Lots of folks don’t like him like the Fox news pundit said: “Shoot the SOB!” He’s sort of off to the side in the news and molders there in the old building in London. The new king of the tiny latin american country has a new policy on it.

    The whole thing is too much like a operation from the get go, why don’t he bargain against the ”PTBe” to be freed or he will let loose some really bad info, such that he would be assured of safely to just go retire and disappear, (figuratively that is, as he would have to go on existing and to remain a presence from then on to make the thing plausible.) But he could just, go, ”fade away…”

    Not only he didn’t make the change he was hoping for, he is actually quite nicely serving the very agendas of people he made a move against. An example of what happens to those who try to challenge the Power.
    Working well as we speak.

    Like you seem to say, he really does provide a wonderful/terrible example… (Object Lesson for the rest of the would be muck-rakers out there in the internets.)

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    ....why don’t he bargain against the ”PTBe” to be freed or he will let loose some really bad info..
     
    I think you are missing the point here. A BIG point, which is exactly the core of the problem.

    You want HIM to take care of his fate. He can't. One man against the System.

    His very idea was to show the common people that if MANY are like him something could be done. At least something.
    Nobody gave a shit. That was his fundamental error. Nobody........gives......a....shit now.

    I think he hasn't got anything to bargain with, anymore.
    More importantly, he has no support from people he made a move for. THAT is the issue here.

    His fundamental mistake was, as with all idealists, overestimating a common person. His/her value system first and foremost. There is uncomfortable truth there. Very uncomfortable, for true idealists.

    ..he really does provide a wonderful/terrible example… (Object Lesson for the rest of the would be muck-rakers out there in the internets.)
     
    And common people hate him for that too. Whenever they see the news about him they, again, face who they really are.
    Yes, the ”PTBe” want him gone.
    But.......hehehe....common people want him gone even more.

    Makes sense?
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  60. peterAUS says:
    @edNels
    Lots of folks don't like him like the Fox news pundit said: "Shoot the SOB!" He's sort of off to the side in the news and molders there in the old building in London. The new king of the tiny latin american country has a new policy on it.

    The whole thing is too much like a operation from the get go, why don't he bargain against the ''PTBe'' to be freed or he will let loose some really bad info, such that he would be assured of safely to just go retire and disappear, (figuratively that is, as he would have to go on existing and to remain a presence from then on to make the thing plausible.) But he could just, go, ''fade away..."

    Not only he didn’t make the change he was hoping for, he is actually quite nicely serving the very agendas of people he made a move against. An example of what happens to those who try to challenge the Power.
    Working well as we speak.
     
    Like you seem to say, he really does provide a wonderful/terrible example… (Object Lesson for the rest of the would be muck-rakers out there in the internets.)

    ….why don’t he bargain against the ”PTBe” to be freed or he will let loose some really bad info..

    I think you are missing the point here. A BIG point, which is exactly the core of the problem.

    You want HIM to take care of his fate. He can’t. One man against the System.

    His very idea was to show the common people that if MANY are like him something could be done. At least something.
    Nobody gave a shit. That was his fundamental error. Nobody……..gives……a….shit now.

    I think he hasn’t got anything to bargain with, anymore.
    More importantly, he has no support from people he made a move for. THAT is the issue here.

    His fundamental mistake was, as with all idealists, overestimating a common person. His/her value system first and foremost. There is uncomfortable truth there. Very uncomfortable, for true idealists.

    ..he really does provide a wonderful/terrible example… (Object Lesson for the rest of the would be muck-rakers out there in the internets.)

    And common people hate him for that too. Whenever they see the news about him they, again, face who they really are.
    Yes, the ”PTBe” want him gone.
    But…….hehehe….common people want him gone even more.

    Makes sense?

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    Makes sense?

    Very much, two (three, the middle class, the ones that comprehend, but sell their morals for cents) enemies, between a rock and a hard place. One can take the world into a loop, the commoner into oblivion, the middle class into extinction, when pushing low quality ideas that put up conflictive stances, referring to distinction and groups. "Brightness" with limited scope.

    One cannot ralley a donkey, nor a horse when promoting the concept of inclusiveness. When exposing the naivity of the commoner, the greed of the elites, the dullness of the middle class serviles, which one is worse? No individual tolerates humiliation, no group tolerates humiliation although well deserved.

    The elites, what accounts for it, are not ready to cannibalize themselves through a tool that cannot be bought and controlled. Assange can expose, ...and expose again, the tool being more powerful then the victim and the controller. Turning elites into subject to an uncontrolleable means. No quiet nights any longer for any one in power circles.

    The tactical reproach to Assange, from the hart, subversion, as power needs stealth. He should not have given a face to an original tool as Wikileaks. That leads to the admonition, to Wikileaks, what is left functional. Carry on, reorganize, cut the dead wood (Assange), even better, have Assange deny your organization when possible, stay stealth bottom to top. Have a social policy for your own, through different channels.

    A mere remark, as long as the hardware of the internet is controlled by state players, the elites in the background, by capital, the short term window of software magic will not do in the long run. Both hardware and software need viable alternative enablers. That also is true for digital currency.

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  61. m___ says:
    @peterAUS

    ....why don’t he bargain against the ”PTBe” to be freed or he will let loose some really bad info..
     
    I think you are missing the point here. A BIG point, which is exactly the core of the problem.

    You want HIM to take care of his fate. He can't. One man against the System.

    His very idea was to show the common people that if MANY are like him something could be done. At least something.
    Nobody gave a shit. That was his fundamental error. Nobody........gives......a....shit now.

    I think he hasn't got anything to bargain with, anymore.
    More importantly, he has no support from people he made a move for. THAT is the issue here.

    His fundamental mistake was, as with all idealists, overestimating a common person. His/her value system first and foremost. There is uncomfortable truth there. Very uncomfortable, for true idealists.

    ..he really does provide a wonderful/terrible example… (Object Lesson for the rest of the would be muck-rakers out there in the internets.)
     
    And common people hate him for that too. Whenever they see the news about him they, again, face who they really are.
    Yes, the ”PTBe” want him gone.
    But.......hehehe....common people want him gone even more.

    Makes sense?

    Makes sense?

    Very much, two (three, the middle class, the ones that comprehend, but sell their morals for cents) enemies, between a rock and a hard place. One can take the world into a loop, the commoner into oblivion, the middle class into extinction, when pushing low quality ideas that put up conflictive stances, referring to distinction and groups. “Brightness” with limited scope.

    One cannot ralley a donkey, nor a horse when promoting the concept of inclusiveness. When exposing the naivity of the commoner, the greed of the elites, the dullness of the middle class serviles, which one is worse? No individual tolerates humiliation, no group tolerates humiliation although well deserved.

    The elites, what accounts for it, are not ready to cannibalize themselves through a tool that cannot be bought and controlled. Assange can expose, …and expose again, the tool being more powerful then the victim and the controller. Turning elites into subject to an uncontrolleable means. No quiet nights any longer for any one in power circles.

    The tactical reproach to Assange, from the hart, subversion, as power needs stealth. He should not have given a face to an original tool as Wikileaks. That leads to the admonition, to Wikileaks, what is left functional. Carry on, reorganize, cut the dead wood (Assange), even better, have Assange deny your organization when possible, stay stealth bottom to top. Have a social policy for your own, through different channels.

    A mere remark, as long as the hardware of the internet is controlled by state players, the elites in the background, by capital, the short term window of software magic will not do in the long run. Both hardware and software need viable alternative enablers. That also is true for digital currency.

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    Let's assume, for the sake for conversation, that this would work:

    .....stay stealth bottom to top. Have a social policy for your own, through different channels.
     
    and especially

    Both hardware and software need viable alternative enablers.
     
    So, the "message", "information", gets in the open.

    Then what?
    What difference it would make?

    Yes, some power players could get into trouble but they'll be replaced, in a millisecond, by one of those waiting in the LONG queue.
    The very system would not get changed.

    Common people do know that those in power are corrupted. They do not care about that as long as they, common people, have what they really want.
    THAT is the key here.

    Idealists want to believe that common people share the same ideals. No, they do not.

    As long as common people have their breads and circuses they are happy. No change of any substance can happen. That is the eternal truth.

    All powers that be have to do is to manage that "breads and circuses" delivery and they won't have any real problem. As long as it is done, properly, in USA, no meaningful change can happen anywhere in West.

    The key to change isn't in "informing people", IMHO. It's in disrupting that delivery of breads and circuses. When and how is an interesting question.
    I get a feeling it would be related to external and not internal factors in USA.
    Not likely in near future I am afraid.

    Till then, episodes of Assange type would be just part of "circuses".
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  62. @Crimson2
    Looking forward to Assange doing some time in an actual prison.

    You really hate truth that much? Why?

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  63. annamaria says:
    @crimson2
    The whole "First they came for Assange..." argument means so much on this antisemitic website.

    How “semitic” are you, Crimson2? If you are a progeny of Soviet emigres, then not much. The Semitic inhabitants of Palestine (currently the supremacist theocratic Jewish State) are Palestinians who are hoarded in a large concentration camp of Gaza Ghetto.
    Neither Bibi nor Avi Lieberman is a Semite. They are the holo-biz imposters of a felonious kind.

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  64. peterAUS says:
    @m___
    Makes sense?

    Very much, two (three, the middle class, the ones that comprehend, but sell their morals for cents) enemies, between a rock and a hard place. One can take the world into a loop, the commoner into oblivion, the middle class into extinction, when pushing low quality ideas that put up conflictive stances, referring to distinction and groups. "Brightness" with limited scope.

    One cannot ralley a donkey, nor a horse when promoting the concept of inclusiveness. When exposing the naivity of the commoner, the greed of the elites, the dullness of the middle class serviles, which one is worse? No individual tolerates humiliation, no group tolerates humiliation although well deserved.

    The elites, what accounts for it, are not ready to cannibalize themselves through a tool that cannot be bought and controlled. Assange can expose, ...and expose again, the tool being more powerful then the victim and the controller. Turning elites into subject to an uncontrolleable means. No quiet nights any longer for any one in power circles.

    The tactical reproach to Assange, from the hart, subversion, as power needs stealth. He should not have given a face to an original tool as Wikileaks. That leads to the admonition, to Wikileaks, what is left functional. Carry on, reorganize, cut the dead wood (Assange), even better, have Assange deny your organization when possible, stay stealth bottom to top. Have a social policy for your own, through different channels.

    A mere remark, as long as the hardware of the internet is controlled by state players, the elites in the background, by capital, the short term window of software magic will not do in the long run. Both hardware and software need viable alternative enablers. That also is true for digital currency.

    Let’s assume, for the sake for conversation, that this would work:

    …..stay stealth bottom to top. Have a social policy for your own, through different channels.

    and especially

    Both hardware and software need viable alternative enablers.

    So, the “message”, “information”, gets in the open.

    Then what?
    What difference it would make?

    Yes, some power players could get into trouble but they’ll be replaced, in a millisecond, by one of those waiting in the LONG queue.
    The very system would not get changed.

    Common people do know that those in power are corrupted. They do not care about that as long as they, common people, have what they really want.
    THAT is the key here.

    Idealists want to believe that common people share the same ideals. No, they do not.

    As long as common people have their breads and circuses they are happy. No change of any substance can happen. That is the eternal truth.

    All powers that be have to do is to manage that “breads and circuses” delivery and they won’t have any real problem. As long as it is done, properly, in USA, no meaningful change can happen anywhere in West.

    The key to change isn’t in “informing people”, IMHO. It’s in disrupting that delivery of breads and circuses. When and how is an interesting question.
    I get a feeling it would be related to external and not internal factors in USA.
    Not likely in near future I am afraid.

    Till then, episodes of Assange type would be just part of “circuses”.

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    The key to change isn’t in “informing people”, IMHO. It’s in disrupting that delivery of breads and circuses. When and how is an interesting question.
     
    To end my side of the conversation, what you point to is evident, but societies evolve, the planet evolves, probably nature, hazard, (not human subversives) will disrupt breads and circuses, "super glue" (see our other comments), the going concept that underlies modernity, taking from all (distinct from what belongs to no one) to be appropriated by the few, is exhaustible, then what? Are alternative sources, "think-tanks" of subversion that are mature, that labour on alternatives to convention, subterraneous flows of suggestions, organized abstract concepts of repair, (as Assange and Wikileaks facilitate) of any value at all?

    You seem to suggest they could be. Also yours "interesting question" remark point that way. For now and for the heck of it, if subversion is qualitative, not fair weather activism (a Tommy Robinson is a good example), White or other identity policies and polities that disproportionally regard group versus individual differences, or the reverse (gender) garbage ideas that are proven over and over to result into implosion when in a larger context of reality, academy, science and university standing on the shoulders of dwarfs, our anarchist side says, keep subversion alive.

    Better tools to the end of circuses, (a world away from Wikileaks and it's facilitation only to very few individuals) to be pushed subterraneously by indeed the de facto elites, since they are the only ones to be allowed to experiment (indirectly you pointed this out as a pre-concept): factoring population, it's density, total numbers must be the priority. From producer to consumer to comodity is the evident evolution of mankind by it's own pattern of "development". And, to gap the time-laps expected, to limit the decisive liability of the world population as is, and where it is heading (regardless of any eventual regress somewhere in the future), by "virtualizing" consumption and production (financial capitalism, and Central Banking are crude experiments). Less physical and energy absorbtion for the masses and the middle class, will reduce the stress on the planet, and when done right, as you suggest, will render mass humanity virtually harmless and buy time for the elites, which is a good thing ultimately. Humanity scales badly at a certain point, this point has been reached.

    Again you are right, all Assange is, is a cog of "circuses", the not so subtle message to the rest of us: "Stay out of trouble", no "off-piste" skiing for the Normals. Focus on consumption, no thinking or doing when not invited, limit yourself to consuming.

    The effect he has on outliers, cut off by the system, and conscient, able to conceptualize and vizualize beyond the playground, single individuals could only materialize when pulling him into the back office of policy making. Assange would have the stature to recoup wasted talents, off loading the stress of disgrunt. Waisted talent is revengeful. No voice, but a whisper, a councelor to the kings, that is what would make him effective. Not selling out on time, at times, will make him growl long into his grave. Maybe he has one more single chance to sell out. Not on his terms, but in exchange for walking the streets, and capitalizing on invitations for a fee. See his children, who would reproach him anything. As you pointed out, the commoner will not notice, the middle class will stay mute (they all sold out anyway), and maybe he might nourish his ego by whispering subtle changes to policy, not getting credit, but assuring survival as a serv.

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  65. m___ says:
    @peterAUS
    Let's assume, for the sake for conversation, that this would work:

    .....stay stealth bottom to top. Have a social policy for your own, through different channels.
     
    and especially

    Both hardware and software need viable alternative enablers.
     
    So, the "message", "information", gets in the open.

    Then what?
    What difference it would make?

    Yes, some power players could get into trouble but they'll be replaced, in a millisecond, by one of those waiting in the LONG queue.
    The very system would not get changed.

    Common people do know that those in power are corrupted. They do not care about that as long as they, common people, have what they really want.
    THAT is the key here.

    Idealists want to believe that common people share the same ideals. No, they do not.

    As long as common people have their breads and circuses they are happy. No change of any substance can happen. That is the eternal truth.

    All powers that be have to do is to manage that "breads and circuses" delivery and they won't have any real problem. As long as it is done, properly, in USA, no meaningful change can happen anywhere in West.

    The key to change isn't in "informing people", IMHO. It's in disrupting that delivery of breads and circuses. When and how is an interesting question.
    I get a feeling it would be related to external and not internal factors in USA.
    Not likely in near future I am afraid.

    Till then, episodes of Assange type would be just part of "circuses".

    The key to change isn’t in “informing people”, IMHO. It’s in disrupting that delivery of breads and circuses. When and how is an interesting question.

    To end my side of the conversation, what you point to is evident, but societies evolve, the planet evolves, probably nature, hazard, (not human subversives) will disrupt breads and circuses, “super glue” (see our other comments), the going concept that underlies modernity, taking from all (distinct from what belongs to no one) to be appropriated by the few, is exhaustible, then what? Are alternative sources, “think-tanks” of subversion that are mature, that labour on alternatives to convention, subterraneous flows of suggestions, organized abstract concepts of repair, (as Assange and Wikileaks facilitate) of any value at all?

    You seem to suggest they could be. Also yours “interesting question” remark point that way. For now and for the heck of it, if subversion is qualitative, not fair weather activism (a Tommy Robinson is a good example), White or other identity policies and polities that disproportionally regard group versus individual differences, or the reverse (gender) garbage ideas that are proven over and over to result into implosion when in a larger context of reality, academy, science and university standing on the shoulders of dwarfs, our anarchist side says, keep subversion alive.

    Better tools to the end of circuses, (a world away from Wikileaks and it’s facilitation only to very few individuals) to be pushed subterraneously by indeed the de facto elites, since they are the only ones to be allowed to experiment (indirectly you pointed this out as a pre-concept): factoring population, it’s density, total numbers must be the priority. From producer to consumer to comodity is the evident evolution of mankind by it’s own pattern of “development”. And, to gap the time-laps expected, to limit the decisive liability of the world population as is, and where it is heading (regardless of any eventual regress somewhere in the future), by “virtualizing” consumption and production (financial capitalism, and Central Banking are crude experiments). Less physical and energy absorbtion for the masses and the middle class, will reduce the stress on the planet, and when done right, as you suggest, will render mass humanity virtually harmless and buy time for the elites, which is a good thing ultimately. Humanity scales badly at a certain point, this point has been reached.

    Again you are right, all Assange is, is a cog of “circuses”, the not so subtle message to the rest of us: “Stay out of trouble”, no “off-piste” skiing for the Normals. Focus on consumption, no thinking or doing when not invited, limit yourself to consuming.

    The effect he has on outliers, cut off by the system, and conscient, able to conceptualize and vizualize beyond the playground, single individuals could only materialize when pulling him into the back office of policy making. Assange would have the stature to recoup wasted talents, off loading the stress of disgrunt. Waisted talent is revengeful. No voice, but a whisper, a councelor to the kings, that is what would make him effective. Not selling out on time, at times, will make him growl long into his grave. Maybe he has one more single chance to sell out. Not on his terms, but in exchange for walking the streets, and capitalizing on invitations for a fee. See his children, who would reproach him anything. As you pointed out, the commoner will not notice, the middle class will stay mute (they all sold out anyway), and maybe he might nourish his ego by whispering subtle changes to policy, not getting credit, but assuring survival as a serv.

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    Good post.

    Are alternative sources, “think-tanks” of subversion….. of any value at all?
     
    They are. Definitely not at required level, not even at maybe third of their potential, but there is value there.
    Besides, there are no “think-tanks”. There are places where people with, sort of, similar mind, congregate and talk. Like a pub. Like this Webzine, for example. Enough said.
    I’ve been on Internet since its start and, paradoxically, more people can participate online, less is the quality of “discussions”. Again, just look at this site. A pub.
    You appear to be thinking a lot about all this. Sometimes not easy to follow your train of thought to be honest. A very few people online do that. Most just want to belong and chat. Again, as in a pub. Nothing of value can come out of pub.

    …. keep subversion alive.
     
    Agree.
    This:

    Less physical and energy absorbtion for the masses and the middle class, will reduce the stress on the planet, and when done right, as you suggest, will render mass humanity virtually harmless and buy time for the elites, which is a good thing ultimately. Humanity scales badly at a certain point, this point has been reached.
     
    is an interesting point. I think it would be “a good thing ultimately” if our elites are both smart and noblesse oblige. They are neither.
    They definitely want masses to:

    Focus on consumption, no thinking or doing when not invited, limit yourself to consuming.
     
    Back to “practical”: hopefully we’ll see a proper online “alternative think tank” in foreseeable future, somewhere.
    Hopefully.
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  66. peterAUS says:
    @m___

    The key to change isn’t in “informing people”, IMHO. It’s in disrupting that delivery of breads and circuses. When and how is an interesting question.
     
    To end my side of the conversation, what you point to is evident, but societies evolve, the planet evolves, probably nature, hazard, (not human subversives) will disrupt breads and circuses, "super glue" (see our other comments), the going concept that underlies modernity, taking from all (distinct from what belongs to no one) to be appropriated by the few, is exhaustible, then what? Are alternative sources, "think-tanks" of subversion that are mature, that labour on alternatives to convention, subterraneous flows of suggestions, organized abstract concepts of repair, (as Assange and Wikileaks facilitate) of any value at all?

    You seem to suggest they could be. Also yours "interesting question" remark point that way. For now and for the heck of it, if subversion is qualitative, not fair weather activism (a Tommy Robinson is a good example), White or other identity policies and polities that disproportionally regard group versus individual differences, or the reverse (gender) garbage ideas that are proven over and over to result into implosion when in a larger context of reality, academy, science and university standing on the shoulders of dwarfs, our anarchist side says, keep subversion alive.

    Better tools to the end of circuses, (a world away from Wikileaks and it's facilitation only to very few individuals) to be pushed subterraneously by indeed the de facto elites, since they are the only ones to be allowed to experiment (indirectly you pointed this out as a pre-concept): factoring population, it's density, total numbers must be the priority. From producer to consumer to comodity is the evident evolution of mankind by it's own pattern of "development". And, to gap the time-laps expected, to limit the decisive liability of the world population as is, and where it is heading (regardless of any eventual regress somewhere in the future), by "virtualizing" consumption and production (financial capitalism, and Central Banking are crude experiments). Less physical and energy absorbtion for the masses and the middle class, will reduce the stress on the planet, and when done right, as you suggest, will render mass humanity virtually harmless and buy time for the elites, which is a good thing ultimately. Humanity scales badly at a certain point, this point has been reached.

    Again you are right, all Assange is, is a cog of "circuses", the not so subtle message to the rest of us: "Stay out of trouble", no "off-piste" skiing for the Normals. Focus on consumption, no thinking or doing when not invited, limit yourself to consuming.

    The effect he has on outliers, cut off by the system, and conscient, able to conceptualize and vizualize beyond the playground, single individuals could only materialize when pulling him into the back office of policy making. Assange would have the stature to recoup wasted talents, off loading the stress of disgrunt. Waisted talent is revengeful. No voice, but a whisper, a councelor to the kings, that is what would make him effective. Not selling out on time, at times, will make him growl long into his grave. Maybe he has one more single chance to sell out. Not on his terms, but in exchange for walking the streets, and capitalizing on invitations for a fee. See his children, who would reproach him anything. As you pointed out, the commoner will not notice, the middle class will stay mute (they all sold out anyway), and maybe he might nourish his ego by whispering subtle changes to policy, not getting credit, but assuring survival as a serv.

    Good post.

    Are alternative sources, “think-tanks” of subversion….. of any value at all?

    They are. Definitely not at required level, not even at maybe third of their potential, but there is value there.
    Besides, there are no “think-tanks”. There are places where people with, sort of, similar mind, congregate and talk. Like a pub. Like this Webzine, for example. Enough said.
    I’ve been on Internet since its start and, paradoxically, more people can participate online, less is the quality of “discussions”. Again, just look at this site. A pub.
    You appear to be thinking a lot about all this. Sometimes not easy to follow your train of thought to be honest. A very few people online do that. Most just want to belong and chat. Again, as in a pub. Nothing of value can come out of pub.

    …. keep subversion alive.

    Agree.
    This:

    Less physical and energy absorbtion for the masses and the middle class, will reduce the stress on the planet, and when done right, as you suggest, will render mass humanity virtually harmless and buy time for the elites, which is a good thing ultimately. Humanity scales badly at a certain point, this point has been reached.

    is an interesting point. I think it would be “a good thing ultimately” if our elites are both smart and noblesse oblige. They are neither.
    They definitely want masses to:

    Focus on consumption, no thinking or doing when not invited, limit yourself to consuming.

    Back to “practical”: hopefully we’ll see a proper online “alternative think tank” in foreseeable future, somewhere.
    Hopefully.

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    Back to “practical”
     
    Argument conceded, you made the rightful point in stating that "public subversion" does not matter.

    A few tangents, not central to Assange, but in general.

    The elites are probably wrong in not pulling in "outliers" and their ideas (Assange, original method knotted to conventional message). No bone in not conceding it publicly but doing so out of the public eye the better. It is done in soccer, crime, terrorism, ...not in intelligence in the sense of experiments of deep thinking not being taken advantage of. We should realize that universities, institutions of any sort, corporations, including the current denomination of "gooogle", are not the best venue way of herding talents of anticipating, non-linear, associative (connecting dots), organizational thinking. Talent is wasted, the internet expresses this rarely and invisibly to most eyes (this does not need to be an issue, as long as outliers get to scraps of quality data outside of structured compliance) . That proved to be a major new element, not to be ignored, but taken advantage of by the only ones that count and have decision power, what goes for elites. The policies as to the internet express confusion of the elites, a lag of catching up even as to phenomenal expression in it's complexity. That is why censure is applied and ongoing, hard and software, the internet censure is a major construction site anywhere on the globe. The parallel interaction should be of recognizing original content and harnessing it into advantage. How this should be done is an interesting question (your words, different context "interesting question").

    Independent thinkers have no outlets, any structured entity acquires a life of itself, including google and Ivy league universities. Then human individualities do not scale. By plugging different high quality thinkers on to each other, the output does not multiply. The internet servers when left alone (less and less, a matter of time to no more dynamics) do such well. Blocks of disparate quality reasoning now can link and associate, add to, build on top of other nuggets of quality suggestion. That of course is restricted, more and more, since seen as a menace to perpetrating power. Basically throwing away the baby with the bath water.

    Why does this matter? The power elites, and rightfully solely concerned with their own survival, their sucess can be measured by the quality and duration of their reign. Now seen the theoretical life expectancy of humanity linked to the planet, what do they achieve? The current paradigms of the global systems, as "eternal growth", toxicity, a system that needs a growing world population for the elites to get subjectively more powerfull (meaning nothing in absolute, there is no difference between a billion and a hundred ones, the measure of power is medieval as it is expressed in a lifestyle that is sterile, builds on save havens, no different from the castles, and fortresses of the middle ages) is deaf and short term. Thus the elites are not up to par, they think below the single generation timeline, concentric circles, that supreme opportunism is not equal to ethical behavior, concern for generational transitions is secondary. One of the reasons is that the underlying ideas af rule, any, religion, economics, war, all of the historical propositions are proven wrong in the long term (ten thousand years). The cracks show, today more then ever, the derivatives of the ongoing filosophies are way larger then any of the short term benefits.

    That is where "outliers" come in (including Assange), where outliers have their purpose, where outliers could be beneficial by recruiting other unconventional talent of the abstract, of method, of vision. Historically this talent is wasted (witches come to mind, leaders and thinkers in dungeons another), that is the factor that will negatively draw the elites into shorter and shorter cycles of stability. Not recognizing that their potential is below the treshold of derivative powers. The world is not that simple (complexity is different from chaos), and binary propositions, only cater to the immediate. On this tangent, the ignored player burps (ecology and planet). Geo engineering and other "tricks" will always respond to the "law of derivatives". Not addressing the root cause of concern, factoring humanity, with the ultimate goal of tuning it into larger biodiversity will define probably the end of the current definition of elites, and shoud proof the point of myopy not being at all opportunistic in the long run.

    The point made, if any wit is left into the power nucleus, they should realize that talent cannot be institutionalized, that individual differences of cognitive capacity matter more than the mean of any group, be it territorial, ethnical, racial or religious. That at some point in evolution ideas rule, not people. Intelligent design is the last patch to disruption. The yardstick of succes to the elites again is longevity, stability of rule. To beat the historical examples, they cannot afford to waste cognitive talent. No bulging middle class of linear thinking, constricted context, emotional theatre will compensate for it.

    That suggestion has been made by very few in real life examples, Assange is one. "Pull me in, or Wikileaks (not very different from what uncensured social networks could be) will keep nagging, play out one against the other, shorten your cycles of "happiness" (Hilarious Hillary) at the expense of another basket case (Trump and his ascension had a dose of Assange to it). The answer seems to be, by the interlocutor addressed (elites in general), late of date, "Too expensive". Well we for one doubt this for the above mentioned reasons.

    Whatever the elites concern with the Assange wake up call (a proposition to reorganize intelligence), and for in-group only opportunistic reasons, they should stop waisting talent, and requestion current policies rather then deafly repressing alternative propositions. It should be evident that when quality information could be made accessible to better minds regardless of all structures based on loyalty (our elites behave and think mostly as Italian mafia families) they would score a win. Since they anesthesised and insulated themselves from reality ( derivatives of their subjective superiority and their blindness to them), have better minds think for them, the pay-out would be rewarding.

    Again we concede to your arguments. We do agree of sorts. This is going to be our last post in this thread, vintage Assange, hello memory hole.
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  67. m___ says:
    @peterAUS
    Good post.

    Are alternative sources, “think-tanks” of subversion….. of any value at all?
     
    They are. Definitely not at required level, not even at maybe third of their potential, but there is value there.
    Besides, there are no “think-tanks”. There are places where people with, sort of, similar mind, congregate and talk. Like a pub. Like this Webzine, for example. Enough said.
    I’ve been on Internet since its start and, paradoxically, more people can participate online, less is the quality of “discussions”. Again, just look at this site. A pub.
    You appear to be thinking a lot about all this. Sometimes not easy to follow your train of thought to be honest. A very few people online do that. Most just want to belong and chat. Again, as in a pub. Nothing of value can come out of pub.

    …. keep subversion alive.
     
    Agree.
    This:

    Less physical and energy absorbtion for the masses and the middle class, will reduce the stress on the planet, and when done right, as you suggest, will render mass humanity virtually harmless and buy time for the elites, which is a good thing ultimately. Humanity scales badly at a certain point, this point has been reached.
     
    is an interesting point. I think it would be “a good thing ultimately” if our elites are both smart and noblesse oblige. They are neither.
    They definitely want masses to:

    Focus on consumption, no thinking or doing when not invited, limit yourself to consuming.
     
    Back to “practical”: hopefully we’ll see a proper online “alternative think tank” in foreseeable future, somewhere.
    Hopefully.

    Back to “practical”

    Argument conceded, you made the rightful point in stating that “public subversion” does not matter.

    A few tangents, not central to Assange, but in general.

    The elites are probably wrong in not pulling in “outliers” and their ideas (Assange, original method knotted to conventional message). No bone in not conceding it publicly but doing so out of the public eye the better. It is done in soccer, crime, terrorism, …not in intelligence in the sense of experiments of deep thinking not being taken advantage of. We should realize that universities, institutions of any sort, corporations, including the current denomination of “gooogle”, are not the best venue way of herding talents of anticipating, non-linear, associative (connecting dots), organizational thinking. Talent is wasted, the internet expresses this rarely and invisibly to most eyes (this does not need to be an issue, as long as outliers get to scraps of quality data outside of structured compliance) . That proved to be a major new element, not to be ignored, but taken advantage of by the only ones that count and have decision power, what goes for elites. The policies as to the internet express confusion of the elites, a lag of catching up even as to phenomenal expression in it’s complexity. That is why censure is applied and ongoing, hard and software, the internet censure is a major construction site anywhere on the globe. The parallel interaction should be of recognizing original content and harnessing it into advantage. How this should be done is an interesting question (your words, different context “interesting question”).

    Independent thinkers have no outlets, any structured entity acquires a life of itself, including google and Ivy league universities. Then human individualities do not scale. By plugging different high quality thinkers on to each other, the output does not multiply. The internet servers when left alone (less and less, a matter of time to no more dynamics) do such well. Blocks of disparate quality reasoning now can link and associate, add to, build on top of other nuggets of quality suggestion. That of course is restricted, more and more, since seen as a menace to perpetrating power. Basically throwing away the baby with the bath water.

    Why does this matter? The power elites, and rightfully solely concerned with their own survival, their sucess can be measured by the quality and duration of their reign. Now seen the theoretical life expectancy of humanity linked to the planet, what do they achieve? The current paradigms of the global systems, as “eternal growth”, toxicity, a system that needs a growing world population for the elites to get subjectively more powerfull (meaning nothing in absolute, there is no difference between a billion and a hundred ones, the measure of power is medieval as it is expressed in a lifestyle that is sterile, builds on save havens, no different from the castles, and fortresses of the middle ages) is deaf and short term. Thus the elites are not up to par, they think below the single generation timeline, concentric circles, that supreme opportunism is not equal to ethical behavior, concern for generational transitions is secondary. One of the reasons is that the underlying ideas af rule, any, religion, economics, war, all of the historical propositions are proven wrong in the long term (ten thousand years). The cracks show, today more then ever, the derivatives of the ongoing filosophies are way larger then any of the short term benefits.

    That is where “outliers” come in (including Assange), where outliers have their purpose, where outliers could be beneficial by recruiting other unconventional talent of the abstract, of method, of vision. Historically this talent is wasted (witches come to mind, leaders and thinkers in dungeons another), that is the factor that will negatively draw the elites into shorter and shorter cycles of stability. Not recognizing that their potential is below the treshold of derivative powers. The world is not that simple (complexity is different from chaos), and binary propositions, only cater to the immediate. On this tangent, the ignored player burps (ecology and planet). Geo engineering and other “tricks” will always respond to the “law of derivatives”. Not addressing the root cause of concern, factoring humanity, with the ultimate goal of tuning it into larger biodiversity will define probably the end of the current definition of elites, and shoud proof the point of myopy not being at all opportunistic in the long run.

    The point made, if any wit is left into the power nucleus, they should realize that talent cannot be institutionalized, that individual differences of cognitive capacity matter more than the mean of any group, be it territorial, ethnical, racial or religious. That at some point in evolution ideas rule, not people. Intelligent design is the last patch to disruption. The yardstick of succes to the elites again is longevity, stability of rule. To beat the historical examples, they cannot afford to waste cognitive talent. No bulging middle class of linear thinking, constricted context, emotional theatre will compensate for it.

    That suggestion has been made by very few in real life examples, Assange is one. “Pull me in, or Wikileaks (not very different from what uncensured social networks could be) will keep nagging, play out one against the other, shorten your cycles of “happiness” (Hilarious Hillary) at the expense of another basket case (Trump and his ascension had a dose of Assange to it). The answer seems to be, by the interlocutor addressed (elites in general), late of date, “Too expensive”. Well we for one doubt this for the above mentioned reasons.

    Whatever the elites concern with the Assange wake up call (a proposition to reorganize intelligence), and for in-group only opportunistic reasons, they should stop waisting talent, and requestion current policies rather then deafly repressing alternative propositions. It should be evident that when quality information could be made accessible to better minds regardless of all structures based on loyalty (our elites behave and think mostly as Italian mafia families) they would score a win. Since they anesthesised and insulated themselves from reality ( derivatives of their subjective superiority and their blindness to them), have better minds think for them, the pay-out would be rewarding.

    Again we concede to your arguments. We do agree of sorts. This is going to be our last post in this thread, vintage Assange, hello memory hole.

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    Well....re

    ..we concede to your arguments. We do agree of sorts.
     
    my objective here is to get informed and clarify some thoughts and ideas.
    Winning arguments is, for me, simply waste of time.

    You appear to know some things, think about some things and post civil comments. That makes your input, or our exchange, meaningful.

    I actually got informed here, and learned a plenty,mostly from people I fundamentally, really, disagree.

    I've seen that 90 % of people posting here don't have the same approach. That's what's skim reading and ignore list are for.

    Here is what I take from your comment:

    The elites are probably wrong in not pulling in “outliers” and their ideas ..
     

    ....Talent is wasted...
     

    The parallel interaction should be of recognizing original content and harnessing it into advantage. How this should be done is an interesting question..
     
    Agree (just my feedback, not an attempt to make friends, be a part of an online group or trying to argue). A feedback. An input if you will.
    Hehe.....true...what's the point if an idiot agreeing; actually counterproductive if taken on face value. Still, input is input.

    Independent thinkers have no outlets....
     

    Blocks of disparate quality reasoning now can link and associate, add to, build on top of other nuggets of quality suggestion. That of course is restricted, more and more, since seen as a menace to perpetrating power. Basically throwing away the baby with the bath water.
     
    Agree.

    The paragraph from

    Why does this matter?
     
    to

    The cracks show, today more then ever, the derivatives of the ongoing filosophies are way larger then any of the short term benefits.

     

    I find very good.
    The next one too.

    The next one is thought provoking. Especially

    No bulging middle class of linear thinking, constricted context, emotional theatre will compensate for it.
     
    And this:

    ....a proposition to reorganize intelligence...
     
    and

    It should be evident that when quality information could be made accessible to better minds regardless of all structures based on loyalty (our elites behave and think mostly as Italian mafia families) they would score a win.
     
    is definitely thought provoking too.

    Overall, a very good post. The type it's worth skimming through this site for a week for.

    In order to build on it, would you post here links to, say, relevant material, somewhere on the Web? This site isn't a place for really serious material. Some white papers, position papers...books...stuff like that?
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  68. peterAUS says:
    @m___

    Back to “practical”
     
    Argument conceded, you made the rightful point in stating that "public subversion" does not matter.

    A few tangents, not central to Assange, but in general.

    The elites are probably wrong in not pulling in "outliers" and their ideas (Assange, original method knotted to conventional message). No bone in not conceding it publicly but doing so out of the public eye the better. It is done in soccer, crime, terrorism, ...not in intelligence in the sense of experiments of deep thinking not being taken advantage of. We should realize that universities, institutions of any sort, corporations, including the current denomination of "gooogle", are not the best venue way of herding talents of anticipating, non-linear, associative (connecting dots), organizational thinking. Talent is wasted, the internet expresses this rarely and invisibly to most eyes (this does not need to be an issue, as long as outliers get to scraps of quality data outside of structured compliance) . That proved to be a major new element, not to be ignored, but taken advantage of by the only ones that count and have decision power, what goes for elites. The policies as to the internet express confusion of the elites, a lag of catching up even as to phenomenal expression in it's complexity. That is why censure is applied and ongoing, hard and software, the internet censure is a major construction site anywhere on the globe. The parallel interaction should be of recognizing original content and harnessing it into advantage. How this should be done is an interesting question (your words, different context "interesting question").

    Independent thinkers have no outlets, any structured entity acquires a life of itself, including google and Ivy league universities. Then human individualities do not scale. By plugging different high quality thinkers on to each other, the output does not multiply. The internet servers when left alone (less and less, a matter of time to no more dynamics) do such well. Blocks of disparate quality reasoning now can link and associate, add to, build on top of other nuggets of quality suggestion. That of course is restricted, more and more, since seen as a menace to perpetrating power. Basically throwing away the baby with the bath water.

    Why does this matter? The power elites, and rightfully solely concerned with their own survival, their sucess can be measured by the quality and duration of their reign. Now seen the theoretical life expectancy of humanity linked to the planet, what do they achieve? The current paradigms of the global systems, as "eternal growth", toxicity, a system that needs a growing world population for the elites to get subjectively more powerfull (meaning nothing in absolute, there is no difference between a billion and a hundred ones, the measure of power is medieval as it is expressed in a lifestyle that is sterile, builds on save havens, no different from the castles, and fortresses of the middle ages) is deaf and short term. Thus the elites are not up to par, they think below the single generation timeline, concentric circles, that supreme opportunism is not equal to ethical behavior, concern for generational transitions is secondary. One of the reasons is that the underlying ideas af rule, any, religion, economics, war, all of the historical propositions are proven wrong in the long term (ten thousand years). The cracks show, today more then ever, the derivatives of the ongoing filosophies are way larger then any of the short term benefits.

    That is where "outliers" come in (including Assange), where outliers have their purpose, where outliers could be beneficial by recruiting other unconventional talent of the abstract, of method, of vision. Historically this talent is wasted (witches come to mind, leaders and thinkers in dungeons another), that is the factor that will negatively draw the elites into shorter and shorter cycles of stability. Not recognizing that their potential is below the treshold of derivative powers. The world is not that simple (complexity is different from chaos), and binary propositions, only cater to the immediate. On this tangent, the ignored player burps (ecology and planet). Geo engineering and other "tricks" will always respond to the "law of derivatives". Not addressing the root cause of concern, factoring humanity, with the ultimate goal of tuning it into larger biodiversity will define probably the end of the current definition of elites, and shoud proof the point of myopy not being at all opportunistic in the long run.

    The point made, if any wit is left into the power nucleus, they should realize that talent cannot be institutionalized, that individual differences of cognitive capacity matter more than the mean of any group, be it territorial, ethnical, racial or religious. That at some point in evolution ideas rule, not people. Intelligent design is the last patch to disruption. The yardstick of succes to the elites again is longevity, stability of rule. To beat the historical examples, they cannot afford to waste cognitive talent. No bulging middle class of linear thinking, constricted context, emotional theatre will compensate for it.

    That suggestion has been made by very few in real life examples, Assange is one. "Pull me in, or Wikileaks (not very different from what uncensured social networks could be) will keep nagging, play out one against the other, shorten your cycles of "happiness" (Hilarious Hillary) at the expense of another basket case (Trump and his ascension had a dose of Assange to it). The answer seems to be, by the interlocutor addressed (elites in general), late of date, "Too expensive". Well we for one doubt this for the above mentioned reasons.

    Whatever the elites concern with the Assange wake up call (a proposition to reorganize intelligence), and for in-group only opportunistic reasons, they should stop waisting talent, and requestion current policies rather then deafly repressing alternative propositions. It should be evident that when quality information could be made accessible to better minds regardless of all structures based on loyalty (our elites behave and think mostly as Italian mafia families) they would score a win. Since they anesthesised and insulated themselves from reality ( derivatives of their subjective superiority and their blindness to them), have better minds think for them, the pay-out would be rewarding.

    Again we concede to your arguments. We do agree of sorts. This is going to be our last post in this thread, vintage Assange, hello memory hole.

    Well….re

    ..we concede to your arguments. We do agree of sorts.

    my objective here is to get informed and clarify some thoughts and ideas.
    Winning arguments is, for me, simply waste of time.

    You appear to know some things, think about some things and post civil comments. That makes your input, or our exchange, meaningful.

    I actually got informed here, and learned a plenty,mostly from people I fundamentally, really, disagree.

    I’ve seen that 90 % of people posting here don’t have the same approach. That’s what’s skim reading and ignore list are for.

    Here is what I take from your comment:

    The elites are probably wrong in not pulling in “outliers” and their ideas ..

    ….Talent is wasted…

    The parallel interaction should be of recognizing original content and harnessing it into advantage. How this should be done is an interesting question..

    Agree (just my feedback, not an attempt to make friends, be a part of an online group or trying to argue). A feedback. An input if you will.
    Hehe…..true…what’s the point if an idiot agreeing; actually counterproductive if taken on face value. Still, input is input.

    Independent thinkers have no outlets….

    Blocks of disparate quality reasoning now can link and associate, add to, build on top of other nuggets of quality suggestion. That of course is restricted, more and more, since seen as a menace to perpetrating power. Basically throwing away the baby with the bath water.

    Agree.

    The paragraph from

    Why does this matter?

    to

    The cracks show, today more then ever, the derivatives of the ongoing filosophies are way larger then any of the short term benefits.

    I find very good.
    The next one too.

    The next one is thought provoking. Especially

    No bulging middle class of linear thinking, constricted context, emotional theatre will compensate for it.

    And this:

    ….a proposition to reorganize intelligence…

    and

    It should be evident that when quality information could be made accessible to better minds regardless of all structures based on loyalty (our elites behave and think mostly as Italian mafia families) they would score a win.

    is definitely thought provoking too.

    Overall, a very good post. The type it’s worth skimming through this site for a week for.

    In order to build on it, would you post here links to, say, relevant material, somewhere on the Web? This site isn’t a place for really serious material. Some white papers, position papers…books…stuff like that?

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