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As a clueless press stabbed its way through the darkness during the 2016 presidential campaign trying to suss out why all the yahoos were suddenly so ornery, many pointed to J.D. Vance’s Hillbilly Elegy as a moving and poignant explication of the malignant psychology that had gripped America’s heartland.[Review: In ‘Hillbilly Elegy,’ a Tough Love Analysis of the Poor Who Back Trump, By Jennifer Senior, NYT, August 10, 2016] I come from a similar background to Vance, but for all of his book’s alleged “poignance” and “compassion,” he strikes me more as a traitor and snitch toward hillbillies than an advocate.

I’ve been aware of Hillbilly Elegy since its release, just as I’d been aware of Nancy Isenberg’s White Trash: The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America and The Liberal Redneck Manifesto: Draggin’ Dixie Out of the Dark, which was written by three moronic comedians. All three books were released in 2016, which was 19 years after Simon & Schuster released my book The Redneck Manifesto: How Hillbillies, Hicks, and White Trash Became America’s Scapegoats.

Vance’s chief heresy was to portray Appalachia’s feral hillbillies—those blood-crazed subhuman river rats from Deliverance who’ve served as cultural and cinematic arch-villains for generations now—as human. It should tell you something about how far-gone American cultural discourse is that merely portraying common middle American human beings as human is considered radical.

Unfortunately, that’s about as radical as it gets. Although Vance often speaks with fondness of the gun-toting, foul-mouthed, ill-tempered, drug-addled crackers in his grandparents’ home base of Breathitt County, KY, he ends up placing most of their problems squarely at their own bunion-covered feet. Their problems can’t be genetic, he argues, because both he and his sister were able to crawl up from the meth-stained squalor and make something of themselves. Their problems can’t be blamed on the government for reasons he never quite explains beyond suggesting that people who blame the government for any of their problems are dodging the fact that everything is basically their own fault. So although he concedes that the oft-maligned rubes from flyover country are human, he concludes that for the most part, they are bad humans.

By Vance’s own admission his book is a personal memoir and not a scholarly study. It’s a linear tale describing how economic forces drove his family out of Kentucky and into a southern Ohio factory town. Battered both emotionally and mentally by his violent, drug-addicted mother, Vance finds his chief advocate in his “Mamaw”—a fiercely protective and aggressively violent grandmother who preaches hard work, clean living, and knocking the teeth out of anyone who gets in your way.

After a youth mostly spent being shunted from place to place as his mother descended from alcohol to pills to heroin while parading a series of unsuitable male suitors in front of Vance and his sister, he finally found solace by moving in with Mamaw and focusing on his education. Four years in the Marines gave him the structure that was absent in the hollers of Breathitt County, KY and the grey little factory burg of Middletown, OH. He ultimately was accepted into Yale’s law school and married an Indian woman (dot, not feather) named Usha.

The end of the book finds him a lawyer, successful author, and father of a mixed-race baby who lives in a comfortable bourgeois enclave far removed from the chaos and dysfunction of his youth.

Although he gives credit to his Mamaw, he largely seems to take most of the credit himself—he wriggled out of the benighted hill folk’s “learned helplessness” because he had the smarts and the gumption to do it, and, by gum, he’s not a statistical anomaly, he’s an example-setter for all the despicable Oxycontin junkies and welfare leeches who languish in self-inflicted pain far from the nation’s media centers.

I could relate to many things in Vance’s book—mainly, the fuming agony of being raised by a working-class parent who was not only violent, they cared more for intoxicants than for their own spawn. For Vance, both the violence and the addiction were embodied in his mother, as his father was a no-show almost from the start. Although both my parents were violent, my father was the hopeless alcoholic, and I feel the addiction was more systemically damaging to me than the violence was.

Then again, my father was the oldest of four boys in an Appalachian town in Vermont during the Great Depression. His father, who abandoned the family after popping out four kids with my Grammy Goad, was allegedly the town drunk and was fond of blasting off his shotgun inside the house to terrify the kids. I never met my paternal grandfather and couldn’t even tell you his first name, but I was made aware that even before reaching puberty, my dad had to work to help support his mom and three brothers.

And while I was growing up, my father worked two full-time jobs—one as an oil-refinery foreman and one as a freelance plumber—an insane burden which likely contributed to his death at age 59. Dad also drank a full bottle of either Scotch or whisky every day and never spared the rod nor spoiled any of his four kids.

Nature v. nurture is such a sticky subject. Although I’d like to believe in free will and I deeply dread the very idea that we’re all automatons, I partially blame my father and I partially blame his life circumstances. I like to believe that even if you took the cream of New England’s Protestant nobility and raised them in a mountain shack with a father who blasted shotguns to terrify them, forced them to toil endlessly at menial labor before they even kissed a girl, made them fight in the Battle of the Bulge for reasons that were unclear to them, and then set them on a path that had them cleaning toilets and working oil rigs for 80 hours a week every week of their adult life, in most cases they’d be sufficiently shell-shocked to develop some addictions and to occasionally lash out with violence.

Trying to isolate blame on a single cause is a fool’s errand, yet people can’t seem to resist the temptation. In my dad’s case—as in his dad’s case and probably generations of dads before him—I suspect that a combination of personal failings and situational pressures can be blamed.

Yet when Vance takes a bleak look at the rotten-toothed, opiate-addled, food-stamp-slinging people who apparently didn’t have the smarts or character to lift themselves out of their environment like he did, he can’t seem to bring himself to blame anyone but the hillbillies. Rising addiction and suicide rates among this population, along with its unprecedented drop in longevity rates, is solely framed as a moral failing—it can’t possibly be pinned on the fact that politicians sold all the middle- and working-class jobs overseas and imported millions of hostile nonwhite proles to snap up the remaining low-paying jobs.

All the despair he observes is blamed on some vague spiritual sickness rather than on material realities. His diagnosis is no less scolding or condescending than Barack Obama’s finger-wagging about rural losers who bitterly cling to guns and Bibles.

Although he self-identifies as a conservative, Vance sends little moralistic smoke signals throughout the book that indicate he’s entirely under the thrall of liberal thought-policing. He repeatedly refers to racism, sexism, and homophobia as if they were leprosy. He speaks of Barack Obama with a reverence that is so squirrelly, it borders on Chris Matthews’s infamous line about a thrill going up his leg. He suggests that rural Americans who distrust a media who openly hate and defame rural Americans are simply paranoid and uneducated.

And this, I suspect, is why so many have found his book to be palatable—he unquestioningly parrots all the reigning pieties spewed out by the coastal elites whose policies have eviscerated rural America.

I recently caught a glimpse of Vance on CNN complaining that Donald Trump doesn’t offer any real solutions to what ails America’s poor white underclass.

But to my knowledge, Trump is the only major presidential contender in memory to even address outsourcing as a major factor in rural America’s pathologies.

Trump is also the only one who even bothers to mention the opioid crisis. Trump’s brand of economic nationalism seems like a far more pragmatic solution to rural poverty than Vance’s exasperatingly vague admonition of “Don’t be a bad person.”

And for all that Vance is presumed to speak for the anguished rural hordes of southern Ohio and Kentucky, the hillbillies seem to prefer Trump’s solutions.

In 2016, his grandparents’ breeding ground of Breathitt County, KY gave 62.5% of their votes to Trump. Middletown, OH, where Vance spent most of his youth, straddles two counties—one of those counties went for 61% for Trump and the other went 65% for Trump.

Vance is obviously writing what a lot of people want to hear, but it doesn’t seem to be what the hillbillies themselves want to hear. Part of this may be blamed on the fact that a lot of them are hopeless fuckups who refuse to take any personal responsibility, but part of it can also be blamed on the fact that they aren’t as dumb as they seem and are at least wise enough to perceive that the federal government views them as an obstacle rather than a constituency.

Yes, our choices matter. But they aren’t the entire picture, nor are they the entire solution. But I’m sure the coastal elites are happy that J.D. Vance blamed the hillbillies rather than the coastal elites.

Jim Goad [Email him] was a redneck long before it was cool.

(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Tom-Tom says:

    The story started out alright as poor boy who against all odds, does well. but it as soon as he mentioned Mitch Daniels as his political hero, It was clear that he had abandoned his fellow “poor boys” and would do nothing to change things for anyone but himself.

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  2. Hell yeah!

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  3. Mr Vance appears to have managed to pull himself up by his boot straps. Good for him. But he speaks only for himself. I recommend Joe Bageant. Don’t miss his take on Hunter Thompson.

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  4. Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that’s worse. He had a black girlfriend. Fortunately, there was no issue. Goad has written he was a liberal and he used to live in California. He did stupid stuff with some Jewish ex-wife.

    I know about Goad’s hard upbringing, but his adult years were degenerate and he now acts like some kind of conservative, nationalist. He and Vance are flip-sides of the same coin. Goad may now care about middle America but he wasted a lot of time to figure it out. Vance is a degenerate.

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    Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that’s worse.
     
    I am sure that Goad has his demons, as do we all (except you). I wish to point out that the ad hominem is the lowest, and most immoral form of argument, but it is your most consistent form, besides basic guttersniping.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that’s worse."

    Typical female spin, lacking the full story.

    The physical abuse between Goad and his former wife and mistress was mutual, meaning they assaulted each other. Goad's mistress threatened to kill him and was served with a restraining order, and she also did time for.... wait for it... assault.

    Goad is no saint, but at least he actually went to prison and did time for his crimes. Punishment served, and no repeat behavior since.

    The women who comment here make me laugh. Most of you posture like you're not feminists and in tune with the real history of events, but bring up "muh duhmestik vilense", and you all go full Rosie O'Donnell and don your pink pussy hats.

    My wife has been a social worker for 25 years in the Chicago area. Here's a fun fact that I got from her, after one of her endless mandatory state trainings: FIFTY % of domestic violence is initiated by the female. Note the word "initiate". I did not say "charged with" or "arrested for". So whatever stats you intend to counter with from some domestic abuse (feminist) website are skewed based on the following:

    The Ray Rice incident is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Rice was ruined after he punched his wife out:, thrown out of the NFL and arrested on DA charges (charges dropped because even if his fiance wanted to continue to press charges, no sane DA would go to court because Rice would merely plea self defense). Go back and watch the video. His wife initiates the violence by shoving him before he punches her. Nobody wants to talk about that though. Nobody wants to talk about the fact that domestic abuse against men goes vastly under reported because of the social humiliation that is attached to being beaten up by your wife. Nobody wants to talk about the fact that the justice system is biased towards females in DA cases, and violence initiated by females is disregarded when men retaliate. Men are charged and females are excused in most cases.

    Never mind the Time article, refer to the links within it:

    http://time.com/2921491/hope-solo-women-violence/

    , @Anonymous

    Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that’s worse. He had a black girlfriend. Fortunately, there was no issue. Goad has written he was a liberal and he used to live in California. He did stupid stuff with some Jewish ex-wife.
     
    Thanks for the biographical key points. Um, check please. He makes a disparaging reference to Vance’s East Indian wife, but Goad has a black girlfriend? Seriously?? Vance and his congnitive elite wife are like Boston Brahmin compared to Goad.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    I know about Goad’s hard upbringing, but his adult years were degenerate and he now acts like some kind of conservative, nationalist. He and Vance are flip-sides of the same coin. Goad may now care about middle America but he wasted a lot of time to figure it out. Vance is a degenerate.
     
    So if someone like Goad figures things out after making mistakes, you summarily dismiss him. Your omniscience, of course, means that Goad is unworthy of being read. Because Goad wasn't omniscient. And you are. Right?

    As a Puritan, you are not advancing our shared interests.
    , @Pontius
    One does not materialize at the destination, there is the voyage.

    Jim's may not have been as straight and short as you would have liked.

    So be it.
    , @Bubba
    So he was charged with assault and dated a black woman? Big deal - so I guess that means he is a normal, red blooded 'Merican.

    He wrote the Redneck Manifesto at a time when I believed all the garbage written in the National Review and editorial pages of The Wall Street Journal.

    Jim Goad is the most insightful, interesting, and talented writer in America today. His weekly columns and "The Week That Perished" are infinitely better than the ho-hum, echo chamber tripe published by the glitterati at the NYT's, WP, LAT's, etc...
    , @Whitehouse
    I don’t believe I’ve ever read a more gross simplification of a man’s bio, even on the Internet. And so pithy!

    I’ve been reading Goad for 25 years. Aside from a few misguided years as a punk rock teenager in the mid-80’s, I’ve always been conservative. Without ticking off each ham-handed half truth like a laundry list, I’ll just address a couple. When Goad “hit a woman” (actually beat the living daylights out of her), this was a person who had routinely beaten him and threatened his life for months on end. And there’s proof. So to phrase it as you did, implying that maybe she was just late with his dinner, is a bit disingenuous.

    And “he now cares about middle America but took a long time getting there?” Really. Well, when you mention the “stupid stuff” he did with Debbie Goad, I assume you mean ANSWER Me!, which he published from ‘91-‘94. The Redneck book came out in ‘97, 21 years ago. That’s a total of six years in between. And he’s essentially been beating the drum in that direction ever since. I think you have some kind of axe to grind with him. Maybe it’s because he had a Jew wife. Maybe because nothing you ever do will even APPROACH what he’s achieved (including ANSWER Me!), but whatever it is, you can’t deny he gives voice to what people like you can only feel.
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  5. He ultimately was accepted into Yale’s law school and married an Indian woman (dot, not feather) named Usha.

    The infiltration of Pajeets and their mixed-race offspring into America’s elites deserves a lot more scrutiny than it has gotten.

    Seriously, where the hell did Kamala Harris, Nikki Haley, Dinesh D’Souza, Preet Bhahara, Bobby Jindal and similar high-profile “Americans” come from?

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    'Seriously, where the hell did Kamala Harris, Nikki Haley, Dinesh D’Souza, Preet Bhahara, Bobby Jindal and similar high-profile “Americans” come from?'

    They're intelligent, they work hard, and they value achievement. Nu?

    It's happened before. This is a great place for immigrants. Everybody gets what they want.

    I can't say I mind -- just so long as we firmly close the door to any more. I do not want fifteen million Indians moving here. I don't want fifteen million anythings moving here.

    If we do let in fifteen million Indians, well...

    Let's just say people won't be complaining about Jews anymore.
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  6. ‘…it can’t possibly be pinned on the fact that politicians sold all the middle- and working-class jobs overseas and imported millions of hostile nonwhite proles to snap up the remaining low-paying jobs…’

    Just as I read that, I was wondering; what were the indices like for alcoholism, child abuse, etc among groups like unionized auto workers, etc — i.e., people from more or less equivalent backgrounds but who had been given a decent job with reasonable hours, employment security, health benefits, etc?

    I’d guess the indices were a lot better.

    It’s also bleakly amusing to note that the same people who will excuse literally any failing among blacks on the grounds of economic deprivation, negative stereotypes, etc are utterly merciless when it comes to ‘the deplorables.’ In fact, they seem to positively relish making their lot still harder, and their economic position still more hopeless.

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    what were the indices like for alcoholism, child abuse, etc among groups like unionized auto workers
     
    No data, but speaking anecdotally from a lifetime surrounded by UAW here in the HBD Mitten, the factory gates were surrounded by bars. On pay day, the shop rats (yep, that appellation was/is used) would trudge out, cross the street, cash their checks in the bar, and get so hammered they couldn’t make it home unassisted. They’d keep doing this until funds run were exhausted then dry out for a few days until the next payday. Others shot dope in the bathrooms of the factories and passed out on the lines.

    But many others formed solid middle class families, bought toys like snowmobiles and motorcycles, fishing boats and cabins ‘up north,’ etc. The really crafty ones figured out how to do things like steal expensive tools, car parts (even entire cars), sell drugs on the shop floor, and otherwise make a killing.

    This, in my opinion, really is about IQ. Stupid people are going to do stupid things. The bright kids who got UAW jobs were either skimmed off into management school (ie GMI) or just promoted to skilled trades or supervisory jobs on the shop floor. The dullards spent 20-30 years putting tab A into slot B.
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  7. ‘…Barack Obama’s finger-wagging about rural losers who bitterly cling to guns and Bibles…’

    It’s interesting to think about Barack Obama’s background and education and realize he must have known almost literally nothing about the class whereof he spoke.

    Compare and contrast to most presidents I can think of; one way or another, they knew average Americans. Did Obama? Had he even met the majority of the people he essayed to rule?

    In that sense at least, Obama may have been one of the most ignorant presidents we’ve ever had. He wasn’t even aware of who most Americans were. For him, the average American might as well have been a Hottentot.

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    Worse yet than his lack of knowledge for the poor whites in Ohio... Obama didn't even understand blacks. This dude was educated in private schools and raised by white folks. In Hawaii... thousands of miles from an actual hood.
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  8. Kevin Macdonald makes an excellent case that Jews ruined western culture and I think he’s right. I do not believe that poor whites suffer due to genetic deficiencies. Like Goad said, exporting our jobs and importing cheap labor took its’ toll.
    Affirmative action keeps white men out of work, curtails family formation. Feminism ruined our women and made them unfit and unwilling to be homemakers. The media/academia demonize and demoralize our people. Jew porn destroys white men’s brains and renders them impotent. Massive immigration destroyed social cohesion and social trust. Open borders brings drugs and more degeneracy.
    I could go on and on, but it’s safe to say that Jewish influence is at the root of most of our problems. And it gives me no great pleasure to have discovered this fact as the redpill has caused me untold hardship and pain.

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    If Jewish influence is at the root of most of our problems, then does this count?

    "We worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews." John 4:22
    , @Anonymous
    Goad acts as if Jews don't exist or that their influence is totally benign. He makes reference to the coastal elites but if he were more honest he would say (((coastal elites))).
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  9. chris says:

    Beautiful critique of an ugly book.

    There’s probably a whole level of hell reserved for these sanctimonious rats who piss on themselves to prove their purity.

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  10. Great to read Jim Goad here at Unz Review. I never miss him at the other place and always listen to Group Hug.
    An impressive group of writer’s have collected here to speak for The Forgotten Man. Its about damn time.

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    I remember you from "that other place," a name best left unwritten. There are more of us here.

    The predominantly Scotch-Irish hillbillies were an integral part of America, especially the westward expansion, and the Revolution. We have apparently outlived our utility to the elite. This is not the first time.

    The core of the Scotch-Irish people are the old Border Reivers. They were found useful by the kings of England and Scotland during their heyday. When the King of England and the King of Scotland became one man, James Stuart, they were a problem that needed a solution. The Plantations of Ireland seemed to fit. Their previous violence was seen as a benefit.

    The very same thing happened in the Colonies, as these were the people who settled the Western frontier, and served as a buffer between the natives and the Eastern settlements. Some people referred to the Revolution as a Scotch-Irish rebellion.

    And this continued for a long time, as their descendants still serve in the military out of proportion to their percentage of the population. We are wanted only when we are needed, and when not needed, are reviled. One day we will be needed, and we will not be there.
    , @Russ
    I cannot quite get myself to return to the Other Place. Interesting that Goad's piece is from vdare; perhaps he is branching out a bit. I always enjoyed The Week That Perished ... perhaps moreso for the post-Perished comnents (which of course also have perished).
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  11. Dear Mr Goad

    Is there any chance of you making an audio version of your book?

    At least two of the books you mention have audio versions, but not your book.

    I admit to noticing Hillbilly Elegy on Audible and being tempted by it but I’d much rather hear what you have to say about my long lost cousins over there.

    Its not that I’m too lazy to read normal books, I read plenty, but I also spend a lot of time driving and audio books have that added accessibility.

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  12. prometheus says: • Website

    Maybe dig into the weeds and discover author AMY CHUA was Vance”s adviser at Yale(Battle Hymn OF The Tiger Mom). IYI , this assured zero assimilation with the surrounding community.

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  13. Jake says:

    This is one of the very best Goad articles I’ve ever read.

    Of course, he needs to stress that this pattern of Big Imperial Government despising its own white middle and working class did not begin with a bunch of post World War 2 Jews somehow seizing power surreptitiously and turning the country upside down, tricking it to do things its WASP Elites never would have done to ‘other’ whites.

    The entire history of WASP rule, starting in the British Isles and extending across the globe, is that very pattern. The non-Elite whites who at any particular time and place in history are NOT being actively ground down by WASPs invariably assume, hope, that they are on the inside, at least its fringes, and will be safe forever – but they too eventually will get bulldozed.

    WASP culture is the fruit of a Judaizing heresy that over time has largely re-paganized first one nationality and then, though its empire, the largest and wealthiest in world history, the entire world. WASP culture either will be opposed and defeated, or it will continue its natural life path toward civilizational vampirism and ultimate collapse.

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    tricking it to do things its WASP Elites never would have done to ‘other’ whites.
     
    No tricks were necessary, you vastly underestimate the perfidy of WASP elites.
    , @Anonymous

    WASP culture is the fruit of a Judaizing heresy that over time has largely re-paganized first one nationality and then, though its empire, the largest and wealthiest in world history, the entire world. WASP culture either will be opposed and defeated, or it will continue its natural life path toward civilizational vampirism and ultimate collapse.

     

    Mother of God, you are fucking nuts. There is no such thing as WASP culture, and never has been. The term is an invention of the zionist press.
    , @Anonymous
    Catholics kvetching about the fruit of a Judaizing heresy have apparently never read their own Catechism.

    "To the Jews 'belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship...'" (Catechism of the Catholic Church)
     
    Nor have they ever read the Jew Testament.

    "We worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews." (John 4:22)
     
    When are you going to stop worshiping the Jew, Jake?
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  14. “And this, I suspect, is why so many have found his book to be palatable—he unquestioningly parrots all the reigning pieties spewed out by the coastal elites whose policies have eviscerated rural America.”

    Vance sounds like a useful idiot; another David French but maybe slightly less insane. They’ll come for him eventually. Some past the wall sorority slut from Yale will metoo him, or his Hindu-nuffin wife will accuse him of abuse, or some ancient evidence will pop up of him saying the word homo in less than a celebratory tone.

    They’ll get him, and maybe, only then, will he realize. Or then again, maybe not.

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    "...another David French but maybe sightly less insane."

    I was thinking the same thing.
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  15. Sean says:

    Nature v. nurture is such a sticky subject. Although I’d like to believe in free will and I deeply dread the very idea that we’re all automatons, I partially blame my father and I partially blame his life circumstances. I like to believe that even if you took the cream of New England’s Protestant nobility and raised them in a mountain shack with a father who blasted shotguns to terrify them, forced them to toil endlessly at menial labor before they even kissed a girl, made them fight in the Battle of the Bulge for reasons that were unclear to them, and then set them on a path that had them cleaning toilets and working oil rigs for 80 hours a week every week of their adult life, in most cases they’d be sufficiently shell-shocked to develop some addictions and to occasionally lash out with violence.

    I think the common sense assumption is that mode of existence would enter into their heredity over generations and lead to a genetically less conscientious human being. But the opposite is the case as can be seen with Mexican immigrants who statistician have pointed out have progressively worse health, educational and occupational outcomes with every generation. It is well attested enough to have a name ‘downward assimilation’ they call it (the obvious explanation is Mexicans need familial supervision and tight control by culture for success whereas the US highly is permissive, and as a result the more assimilated to US culture Hispanics become the worse they do because they lack whites inherent GENETIC self control, but as the Economist says those who fret about the indices of failure among Hispanics are “right wing”.

    Many of the intelligentsia decades into the 20th century were still believers in Lamarckian raceas many race and eugenics scientists were. The idea was that a US race formed over time by a Lamarckian process such as alteration in the shape of childrens heads (in Boas’s study after parents had been in the US for 10 years) to an American type, even if each immigrant community continued to marry only within itself. Any experimental results that seemed to show Lamarckian mechanisms in action were extrapolated prodigiously (for instance Haldane’s finding parental diet in rats affecting glucose metabolism in the offspring, which we now know was caused by epigenetics).

    The most influential anthropologist and race-eugenics scientist by the mid 30′s was Ernest Hooton, who wanted sterilisation or isolation of undesirables; he was a thouroughgoing Lamarckian. Crucially, Hooton said a long established race (such as the American type) could not be altered by immigration, because the American environment would alter the immigrants’ genetic qualities toward American norms even if they married within their own immigrant community. The genes of every new influx would be modified to the inveterate type formed by the American environment and mode of life. Hence the American type population would subsume any amount of immigrants, because the similar environment would alter the immigrants’ genes with or without intermarriage. Genetic mixture of the American type population with new immigrants would be overborne by modification of the immigrant genes acquiring the characteristic of American genes. This was not any kind of Darwinism.

    The scientists who provided the rationale for eugenics laws being passed like Hooton were in the mainstream, but were in a great many cases not Darwinians. Moreover, they were actually targeting problematic white individuals and populations, such as the Appalachians who had failed to alter for the better despite living in the US for hundreds of years, thereby showing themselves to be a pathological degenerate element not susceptible to Lamarckian environmental genetic modification. On the committee on physical anthropology of the negro (negros were regarded as susceptible to environmental improvements if allowed a environment similar to whites) with Hooton was Aleš Hrdlička, who was quite a Lamarckian too:

    There is some justification therefore in speaking of the “American type” of white people. This is near the English, Irish and Scotch types, but is at least as different from any of these as these are different from each other. [...]

    http://racehist.blogspot.com/2008/04/hrdlicka-on-old-new-englanders.html

    The Appalachian mountaineers, ranging from New York State to Alabama and numbering as many as 8,000,000, are the “sore on the American Continent,” in an anthropological sense .. something that needs the hearty attention of the biological and anthropological part of America.”

    In 1943 Hooten penned an article headlined, “Breed War Strain Out of Germans” for the New York Daily newspaper advocating an “outbreeding” plan to “destroy German nationalism and ideology” by using the immigration of masses of non-European males. They may have lost in the realm of science, but Lamarkians were never overturned in culture–remaining dominant in public policy. They still have an outbreeding plan, and not just for the paleface denizens of Appalachia.

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  16. Anonymous[397] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bennis Mardens
    Kevin Macdonald makes an excellent case that Jews ruined western culture and I think he's right. I do not believe that poor whites suffer due to genetic deficiencies. Like Goad said, exporting our jobs and importing cheap labor took its' toll.
    Affirmative action keeps white men out of work, curtails family formation. Feminism ruined our women and made them unfit and unwilling to be homemakers. The media/academia demonize and demoralize our people. Jew porn destroys white men's brains and renders them impotent. Massive immigration destroyed social cohesion and social trust. Open borders brings drugs and more degeneracy.
    I could go on and on, but it's safe to say that Jewish influence is at the root of most of our problems. And it gives me no great pleasure to have discovered this fact as the redpill has caused me untold hardship and pain.

    If Jewish influence is at the root of most of our problems, then does this count?

    We worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.” John 4:22

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    You are such an obstinate idiot to keep ignoring other passages in the Bible.

    Romans 11:28

    Listen, troll, if Christianity is such a Jewish religion, then why did Talmudic Jews like Maimonides wish to boil Jesus in a vat of excrement for all eternity?
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  17. Teddy says:

    Four years in the Marines, in my opinion, is what lifted Vance from a river rat to Master Splinter.

    If more youth from this geographic entered the military we would see more success stories.

    Good job, Vance. You can now live a comfy life with your curry smelling third world escapee. She could have very easily been raped (if she grew up in India, I don’t know) and found herself the Indian equivalent of a hillbilly meth addict. It could have been you, Vance. Imagine if some cracker popped your cherry one hot summer night. You would probably be taking cocktails of anti-retroviral drugs instead of sipping cocktails on the Left Coast.

    There is an element of luck to all success stories.

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    Those who are successful don't like to think that their success may have been primarily a matter of luck, and those who fail don't like to think that their failure may have been primarily due to their own bad decisions.
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  18. unit472 says:

    When my mother died I found myself with no job, having had to care for her and a house in the mountains of SW Virginia. Stupidly, I filed for unemployment benefits but not in California where I had been working but, because I was now in Virginia, registered with the Virginia program. They actually insist you find work and send you to people who are hiring. One of the few who was in that remote area was Sprint. This was about the best job in the county as it was CWA union position with a company that had benefits. I got the job! Here’s why.

    I wasn’t from the area. Everybody who worked at Sprint locally was trying to get their relative that job. Whomever was hired would make others mad and believe nepotism was responsible. As an outsider who had only been in the area for a couple of months I was a safe choice. I worked there for a little over a year before the ‘old boy’ network got me. Sprint laid some people off across the state line in North Carolina and word went out that there was a ‘ city boy’ from California holding one those plum jobs in SW Virginia with no seniority so I got ‘bumped’ by one of the laid off hicks from North Carolina whose relatives alerted him to my status. Thus ended my sojourn in Appalachia.

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    Well.

    That would make it clear that you have read very few articles and little or none of other writing.
    , @Oldtradesman
    In south Missouri locals will not tolerate a broke outsider among them, even if originally from the area. You are workforce competition. Thinking about returning to the old homeplace? Financial independence is Job #1! Once there, put on your best Jeeboo is Muh Savior smile and visit a church patronized by the local elite. Donate to the pastor's weekly pot. Ask your pastor for recommendations and hire boys from the congregation to perform odd jobs. Although difficult, refrain from gossip and never have a bad word to say about anybody. Buy hardware, groceries, and gasoline from local Mom & Pops. Minimize trips to Walmart and don't use the Hindu-owned AM-PM Mkt. Attend the high school's varsity games. Mail is watched and receipt of unusual items will be "casually mentioned" to others. After five to seven years many locals, if not most, will come to think of you as "Good Ole Mister So and So" instead of that "Gawd Dang A**hole From Kalleefornya." Don't think about engaging in local politics until ten or more years have passed, then limit it to the school board. Run for Mayor or Sheriff and the locals will suddenly remember you're from California.
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  19. Ragno says:

    Sounds like J.D. Vance should be introduced to Kevin Williamson toot-sweet. They could form a boffo comedy team: I’m Dickens, He’s Fenster, You’re Loathsome.

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    Here's Kevin "U-Huals For Hicks" Williamson on J.D. Vance:

    His family was indeed miserable, but theirs wasn’t the misery of poverty and privation. It was the misery of people determined to be miserable at any price. The great American bounty was wheeled out for their enjoyment like room service at the Ritz Carlton, and they decided they preferred Wendy’s and Night Train and OxyContin and desultory sex with strangers from bars.
    Nothing happened to them—they happened.

    The main difference between Vance and his unhappy forebears with their Byzantine marital histories and “Mountain Dew mouth”—exactly what it sounds like—is that he had the good sense to say yes to the happiness that was offered him.
     
    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/albions-ashes/
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  20. CornCod1 says:

    I am a New Jersey native that has lived in rural Arkansas for almost 15 years. There are two types of people here, the decadent, drug addled hillbilly types and the law abiding, church-going salt of the earth folks. Life for nearly everyone here is tough and difficult. I have two masters degrees and I have to work three jobs just to maintain a working class level of existence. The people who are the drug addled hillbillies became decadent because the struggle to live in this low-wage eco-system just wore them out and they gave up. The decent folks remain that way because they keep up the daily fight and never give up. Most of the decadent poor don’t vote, it’s the decent folks that voted for Trump. Economic improvement with higher wages would make life better here for everyone.

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    Economic improvement with higher wages would make life better here for everyone.

    A decent well-paying job is the cosmic duct tape for society's ills.
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  21. @Dr. Krieger
    Great to read Jim Goad here at Unz Review. I never miss him at the other place and always listen to Group Hug.
    An impressive group of writer's have collected here to speak for The Forgotten Man. Its about damn time.

    I remember you from “that other place,” a name best left unwritten. There are more of us here.

    The predominantly Scotch-Irish hillbillies were an integral part of America, especially the westward expansion, and the Revolution. We have apparently outlived our utility to the elite. This is not the first time.

    The core of the Scotch-Irish people are the old Border Reivers. They were found useful by the kings of England and Scotland during their heyday. When the King of England and the King of Scotland became one man, James Stuart, they were a problem that needed a solution. The Plantations of Ireland seemed to fit. Their previous violence was seen as a benefit.

    The very same thing happened in the Colonies, as these were the people who settled the Western frontier, and served as a buffer between the natives and the Eastern settlements. Some people referred to the Revolution as a Scotch-Irish rebellion.

    And this continued for a long time, as their descendants still serve in the military out of proportion to their percentage of the population. We are wanted only when we are needed, and when not needed, are reviled. One day we will be needed, and we will not be there.

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    And this continued for a long time, as their descendants still serve in the military out of proportion to their percentage of the population. We are wanted only when we are needed, and when not needed, are reviled. One day we will be needed, and we will not be there.
     
    Must you embroider?

    It was not solely the Scots-Irish (and puh-leeze, do NOT say "Scotch-Irish"). My English ancestor arrived in 1635, and his descendants provided 8 (known) soldiers to the Revolution. To characterize the Revolution as Scots-Irish is absurd.

    Scots-Irish in the USA were not border reivers. My Scots-Irish ancestors came to Staunton, VA in 1730, and provided sons and grandsons to the Revolution. Staunton was called the Scots-Irish "Enclave" for a 100 years. As for "reivers", my ancestor, Robert, and his brother Samuel were stationers from Antrim.

    Just saying. Don't overly romanticize.
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  22. @Jake
    This is one of the very best Goad articles I've ever read.

    Of course, he needs to stress that this pattern of Big Imperial Government despising its own white middle and working class did not begin with a bunch of post World War 2 Jews somehow seizing power surreptitiously and turning the country upside down, tricking it to do things its WASP Elites never would have done to 'other' whites.

    The entire history of WASP rule, starting in the British Isles and extending across the globe, is that very pattern. The non-Elite whites who at any particular time and place in history are NOT being actively ground down by WASPs invariably assume, hope, that they are on the inside, at least its fringes, and will be safe forever - but they too eventually will get bulldozed.

    WASP culture is the fruit of a Judaizing heresy that over time has largely re-paganized first one nationality and then, though its empire, the largest and wealthiest in world history, the entire world. WASP culture either will be opposed and defeated, or it will continue its natural life path toward civilizational vampirism and ultimate collapse.

    tricking it to do things its WASP Elites never would have done to ‘other’ whites.

    No tricks were necessary, you vastly underestimate the perfidy of WASP elites.

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    I suspect that most people these days have not watched any of the versions of A Man For All Seasons. It is largely accurate, and captures the essence of the "perfidy of WASP elites."
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  23. @Colin Wright
    '...it can’t possibly be pinned on the fact that politicians sold all the middle- and working-class jobs overseas and imported millions of hostile nonwhite proles to snap up the remaining low-paying jobs...'

    Just as I read that, I was wondering; what were the indices like for alcoholism, child abuse, etc among groups like unionized auto workers, etc -- i.e., people from more or less equivalent backgrounds but who had been given a decent job with reasonable hours, employment security, health benefits, etc?

    I'd guess the indices were a lot better.

    It's also bleakly amusing to note that the same people who will excuse literally any failing among blacks on the grounds of economic deprivation, negative stereotypes, etc are utterly merciless when it comes to 'the deplorables.' In fact, they seem to positively relish making their lot still harder, and their economic position still more hopeless.

    what were the indices like for alcoholism, child abuse, etc among groups like unionized auto workers

    No data, but speaking anecdotally from a lifetime surrounded by UAW here in the HBD Mitten, the factory gates were surrounded by bars. On pay day, the shop rats (yep, that appellation was/is used) would trudge out, cross the street, cash their checks in the bar, and get so hammered they couldn’t make it home unassisted. They’d keep doing this until funds run were exhausted then dry out for a few days until the next payday. Others shot dope in the bathrooms of the factories and passed out on the lines.

    But many others formed solid middle class families, bought toys like snowmobiles and motorcycles, fishing boats and cabins ‘up north,’ etc. The really crafty ones figured out how to do things like steal expensive tools, car parts (even entire cars), sell drugs on the shop floor, and otherwise make a killing.

    This, in my opinion, really is about IQ. Stupid people are going to do stupid things. The bright kids who got UAW jobs were either skimmed off into management school (ie GMI) or just promoted to skilled trades or supervisory jobs on the shop floor. The dullards spent 20-30 years putting tab A into slot B.

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    '...But many others formed solid middle class families, bought toys like snowmobiles and motorcycles, fishing boats and cabins ‘up north,’ etc. The really crafty ones figured out how to do things like steal expensive tools, car parts (even entire cars), sell drugs on the shop floor, and otherwise make a killing...'

    There's also just having a job -- of the community having some occupation that the bulk of people are engaged in, that supports the shopkeepers and plumbers and elderly widows more or less genteely getting everyone to take care of them.

    Here I'm thinking of rural Hawaii -- which sociologically is a bit of a mess, and kind of lost. The sugar industry went away, you see. There's tourism, of course, and catering to all the wealthy white retirees, but fundamentally, there's nothing to do.

    The results aren't pretty. Ditto -- on a less dramatic scale -- for the area of Southern Oregon I live in now. The timber industry used to employ everyone. It still employs a lot of people, but nothing like what it used to (for one thing, now we ship an awful lot of unfinished logs overseas rather than making them into 2X4's here). Partially, the results are these clusters of drug-addled trailer trash, and drifting packs of vagrants. Again, it's not pretty.

    The Japanese are infamous for subsidizing all kinds of obvious economic inefficiency. Small shops and businesses abound -- sometimes almost absurdly economically unviable. One sees tiny, tiny little plots of land -- like the sliver where two roadways join -- being cultivated.

    Now, on a strictly economic analysis, this may be inefficient, but the obvious benefit is that everyone has something to do, and presumably is convinced that they're making a contribution, even if Japan really could just import their pathetic hundred-sack harvest of rice from Viet Nam or whatever at much less cost.

    Obviously the pattern varies, but off-shoring seems to have ripped the heart out of so many communities. It's an indictment of our ruling class that we allowed this to happen. After all, I can recall Pat Buchanan ranting about what was going on thirty years ago. It's not like it was a secret.
    , @Jeff Stryker
    Ann Arbor native here.

    This is the most accurate description of factory life I have ever read.

    I had a roommate who quit college because he could make $20 an hour-huge money in 1993.
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  24. Anonymous[795] • Disclaimer says:
    @attilathehen
    Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that's worse. He had a black girlfriend. Fortunately, there was no issue. Goad has written he was a liberal and he used to live in California. He did stupid stuff with some Jewish ex-wife.

    I know about Goad's hard upbringing, but his adult years were degenerate and he now acts like some kind of conservative, nationalist. He and Vance are flip-sides of the same coin. Goad may now care about middle America but he wasted a lot of time to figure it out. Vance is a degenerate.

    Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that’s worse.

    I am sure that Goad has his demons, as do we all (except you). I wish to point out that the ad hominem is the lowest, and most immoral form of argument, but it is your most consistent form, besides basic guttersniping.

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    How can it be ad hominem if I am stating facts? He wrote about his black girlfriend, the Jewish wife, his liberal past. There is a public record about him doing time. Once again, another cuck who cannot deal with facts, truth, reality.
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  25. Anonymous[795] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake
    This is one of the very best Goad articles I've ever read.

    Of course, he needs to stress that this pattern of Big Imperial Government despising its own white middle and working class did not begin with a bunch of post World War 2 Jews somehow seizing power surreptitiously and turning the country upside down, tricking it to do things its WASP Elites never would have done to 'other' whites.

    The entire history of WASP rule, starting in the British Isles and extending across the globe, is that very pattern. The non-Elite whites who at any particular time and place in history are NOT being actively ground down by WASPs invariably assume, hope, that they are on the inside, at least its fringes, and will be safe forever - but they too eventually will get bulldozed.

    WASP culture is the fruit of a Judaizing heresy that over time has largely re-paganized first one nationality and then, though its empire, the largest and wealthiest in world history, the entire world. WASP culture either will be opposed and defeated, or it will continue its natural life path toward civilizational vampirism and ultimate collapse.

    WASP culture is the fruit of a Judaizing heresy that over time has largely re-paganized first one nationality and then, though its empire, the largest and wealthiest in world history, the entire world. WASP culture either will be opposed and defeated, or it will continue its natural life path toward civilizational vampirism and ultimate collapse.

    Mother of God, you are fucking nuts. There is no such thing as WASP culture, and never has been. The term is an invention of the zionist press.

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    Clearly you've never read any books about American history, you git.
    , @Issac
    I don't know about that (late) source of the notion, or the non-existence-ever hypothesis, but it would be critically inaccurate to suggest any such elite exists today or even a generation ago. WASPs breed out even more so than liberal jews and have for ages. Whatever they were they have essentially folded into various other elites over time.
    , @Randy
    WASP culture most certainly exists, or existed once. Think country clubs back in the day. The culture was patterned on Brits.
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  26. fnn says:

    Their problems can’t be genetic, he argues, because both he and his sister were able to crawl up from the meth-stained squalor and make something of themselves.

    Vance playing stupid. But it’s stupidity of the trendy (but getting very long in the tooth) and hegemonic variety.

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    I have to marvel that such a shambles of humanity described by both Vance and Jim Goad, was able to turnout high example leaders like Al Gore, Mitch McConnel, Robert W. BYRD, LAMAR Alexander, Joe Manchin to name a few.
    BTW it is great to be not only read Jim Goad’s articles but make and see comments on same. Clearly, Takimag has gone down hill since doing away with the comment thread which was much more extensive than here at UR. I read where Taki is offering a subscription, no advertising version, it says there is a comment section. No idea if it is the robust commentary of the old Taki, the same insipid letters to editor once a week as now or something which allows Zuckerberg et al to separate the wheat from the chaff. If it is the old time Tami, count me in.
    Also, wonder what Goad thinks about the writing of his fellow Jim (Webb) about Appalacian culture or lack of such ?

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    I read where Taki is offering a subscription, no advertising version, it says there is a comment section. No idea if it is the robust commentary of the old Taki, the same insipid letters to editor once a week as now or something which allows Zuckerberg et al to separate the wheat from the chaff.
     
    The latter.

    Pay for a subscription, and they know who you are. Since free speech in the USA is actively suppressed/denied by the proto-fascists constituting the US "government", your comments will be an invitation to a midnight FBI raid, if not real soon, then just "soon".
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    If Goad's weekly articles are going to continue to be published here, then that's one less click I need to give Taki on Monday to read them. Works for me.
    , @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    Al Gore was born in Washington, DC, and raised nowhere near Appalachia. His father was from a fairly stable family in an area only on the fringe of the Appalachians. Mitch McConnell was born on the fringes of Appalachia and grew up in the city of Louisville. Neither of these fellows are "hillbillies." As for Manchin, he is, in a sense I suppose, a "hillbilly," but his family is eastern and southern European, not British Isles, and his father was a store owner in downtown Farmington - not exactly a hillbilly.
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  28. nsa says:

    Wigger Nation is being treated to an updated cultural version of Good Cop / Bad Cop…….call it Good Jooie / Bad Jooie The bad jooie owned media harangues and ridicules the rural white trash wiggers relentlessly….all the while the good jooie owned Trumpstein feigns sympathy and promises some kind of immediate relief. So all you obese high fivin’, knuckle bumpin’, fagball lovin’, fat chick fuckin’, meth snortin’, disability collectin’, F150 drivin’, gun totin’, chip munchin’, camo wearin’, hick wiggers just hang in there. The Trumpstein magi cavalry is sounding the horn and riding to your rescue……..

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    'Wigger Nation is being treated to an updated cultural version of Good Cop / Bad Cop…….call it Good Jooie / Bad Jooie The bad jooie owned media harangues and ridicules the rural white trash wiggers relentlessly….all the while the good jooie owned Trumpstein feigns sympathy and promises some kind of immediate relief. So all you obese high fivin’, knuckle bumpin’, fagball lovin’, fat chick fuckin’, meth snortin’, disability collectin’, F150 drivin’, gun totin’, chip munchin’, camo wearin’, hick wiggers just hang in there. The Trumpstein magi cavalry is sounding the horn and riding to your rescue……..'

    Not bad. I don't actually agree -- but not bad.
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  29. Anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake
    This is one of the very best Goad articles I've ever read.

    Of course, he needs to stress that this pattern of Big Imperial Government despising its own white middle and working class did not begin with a bunch of post World War 2 Jews somehow seizing power surreptitiously and turning the country upside down, tricking it to do things its WASP Elites never would have done to 'other' whites.

    The entire history of WASP rule, starting in the British Isles and extending across the globe, is that very pattern. The non-Elite whites who at any particular time and place in history are NOT being actively ground down by WASPs invariably assume, hope, that they are on the inside, at least its fringes, and will be safe forever - but they too eventually will get bulldozed.

    WASP culture is the fruit of a Judaizing heresy that over time has largely re-paganized first one nationality and then, though its empire, the largest and wealthiest in world history, the entire world. WASP culture either will be opposed and defeated, or it will continue its natural life path toward civilizational vampirism and ultimate collapse.

    Catholics kvetching about the fruit of a Judaizing heresy have apparently never read their own Catechism.

    To the Jews ‘belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship…’” (Catechism of the Catholic Church)

    Nor have they ever read the Jew Testament.

    We worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.” (John 4:22)

    When are you going to stop worshiping the Jew, Jake?

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  30. Russ says:
    @Dr. Krieger
    Great to read Jim Goad here at Unz Review. I never miss him at the other place and always listen to Group Hug.
    An impressive group of writer's have collected here to speak for The Forgotten Man. Its about damn time.

    I cannot quite get myself to return to the Other Place. Interesting that Goad’s piece is from vdare; perhaps he is branching out a bit. I always enjoyed The Week That Perished … perhaps moreso for the post-Perished comnents (which of course also have perished).

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  31. Anonymous[795] • Disclaimer says:
    @RebelWriter
    I remember you from "that other place," a name best left unwritten. There are more of us here.

    The predominantly Scotch-Irish hillbillies were an integral part of America, especially the westward expansion, and the Revolution. We have apparently outlived our utility to the elite. This is not the first time.

    The core of the Scotch-Irish people are the old Border Reivers. They were found useful by the kings of England and Scotland during their heyday. When the King of England and the King of Scotland became one man, James Stuart, they were a problem that needed a solution. The Plantations of Ireland seemed to fit. Their previous violence was seen as a benefit.

    The very same thing happened in the Colonies, as these were the people who settled the Western frontier, and served as a buffer between the natives and the Eastern settlements. Some people referred to the Revolution as a Scotch-Irish rebellion.

    And this continued for a long time, as their descendants still serve in the military out of proportion to their percentage of the population. We are wanted only when we are needed, and when not needed, are reviled. One day we will be needed, and we will not be there.

    And this continued for a long time, as their descendants still serve in the military out of proportion to their percentage of the population. We are wanted only when we are needed, and when not needed, are reviled. One day we will be needed, and we will not be there.

    Must you embroider?

    It was not solely the Scots-Irish (and puh-leeze, do NOT say “Scotch-Irish”). My English ancestor arrived in 1635, and his descendants provided 8 (known) soldiers to the Revolution. To characterize the Revolution as Scots-Irish is absurd.

    Scots-Irish in the USA were not border reivers. My Scots-Irish ancestors came to Staunton, VA in 1730, and provided sons and grandsons to the Revolution. Staunton was called the Scots-Irish “Enclave” for a 100 years. As for “reivers”, my ancestor, Robert, and his brother Samuel were stationers from Antrim.

    Just saying. Don’t overly romanticize.

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    I am 1/4 Scotch-Irish. And they were the sort of hardened people who, in the 1740s, squatted on land in Adams County PA, in defiance of the Penn family's wishes. The Scotch-Irish generally started on the Pennsylvania frontier (where I still live) before moving south and west. And, yes, you are correct to warn RebelWriter about the tendency among Scotch-Irish and maybe Southerners to overly romanticize the Scotch-Irish or "Celtic" part of American culture. There were plenty of people besides the Scotch-Irish on the frontier. And calling the American Revolution a Scotch-Irish one is simply a gross exaggeration. Men like Daniel Morgan, or the Overmountain Boys, certainly had a vital impact, but the *ideological* heart of the Revolution probably came more the from Anglicans in Virginia and the middle colonies, and Calvinist Yankees, than it did from the Scotch-Irish.
    , @RVBlake
    Yeah, my line contributed several Connecticut and Massachusetts soldiers to the various French and Indian Wars and the Revolution, all of 'em English imports.
    , @RebelWriter
    The written sentence was, "Some people referred to the Revolution as a Scotch-Irish rebellion," which some did. I didn't "characterize the Revolution as Scots-Irish," nor even IMPLY it was solely Scotch-Irish.

    A Hessian officer said, "Call this war by whatever name you may, only call it not an American rebellion; it is nothing more or less than a Scotch Irish Presbyterian rebellion."(Leyburn)

    A British major general, Joseph Galloway, testified to the House of Commons that "half the rebel Continental Army were from Ireland". (Bagenal)

    Some estimates put the portion of the Americans who supported the Revolution at a low of 30%. Another 30% supported the crown, and the rest wanted to be left out of it. Report after report indicates the Scotch-Irish were nearly unanimous in supporting the Revolution, or at least the majority of them did. I haven't read the same account about any other ethnic group of Americans, be they Dutch, French, German, or English. The Scotch-Irish made up somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of patriot forces, while they were only around 1/5 of the population.

    At the Battle of Kings Mountain there only two men on the field who weren't born in America; the leaders of either side, Brown and Ferguson, who were both Scots. The "British" infantry were mostly from NY and NJ, and were primarily of English origin, while the Americans were nearly all Scotch-Irish.

    "Scots-Irish" is a 20th Century term employed by people who want to genuflect about using "proper English," or something. "Scotch is whiskey," blah, blah, bah.

    They were first called "Scotch-Irish," in America, though everybody else in the world called them Ulstermen, or Ulster Scots, and still do. James Leyburn, who wrote the definitive history of these people, The Scotch-Irish, a Social History, has gone into this argument in great detail, Appendix I of his book, and you'll notice the name he chose for his book. Some examples from it:

    Queen Elizabeth I called them Scotch-Irish in 1573, in a letter concerning Sorley Boy MacDonnel.

    The first written mention of them in America was in 1695, when Sir Thomas Laurence, Secretary of Maryland, wrote that "In the two counties of Dorchester and Somerset, where the Scotch-Irish are numerous, they clothe themselves by their linen and woolen manufactures."

    1723, Rev. George Ross, Rector of Immanuel Church in New Castle, Delaware, wrote in reference to their anti-Church of England stance that, "They call themselves Scotch-Irish ... and the bitterest railers against the church that ever trod upon American ground."

    There are many more. That they called themselves Scotch-Irish, and that term has the longest historical existence, is good enough for me. Your personal opinion of it is of no concern.

    That a very large part of the Ulsterman were from the Borders is not the least bit controversial. King James himself mentioned it in written communications. George MacDonald Frazier wrote about it in his book, The Steel Bonnets, and George Hacket Fischer, author of Albion's Seed, said he prefered to refer to them as borderers. The Scots who went to Ireland were almost entirely from the Lowlands, where, you may note, the border with England is located.

    These weren't Gaelic Scots, for the most part, and not all who went to Ireland were Scots. A great many English went as well. Some Londoners, but quite a few from the borders in Northern England. Either side of the border, they were ethnically almost identical. I call them Celtic-Anglo-Saxon-Danes. I'm probably alone in calling them that, but that's what they were. Broad Scots, the language of Lowland Scotland, is but a slightly different form of English. Bernicia, later called North Umbria, was under Anglo-Saxon dominion for centuries before it fell to the Danes, and later back to the Anglo-Saxons, then eventually divided between Scotland and England.

    Again, you may argue with history all you please. What your particular ancestors did, and where they were from, has no impact, except as possible exceptions to the rule. You just want to fight with someone on the internet about some particular subject you're personally sore about it. Have at. I don't care.
    , @rebelwriter
    I hate to be at all agreeable with you in any way whatsoever, but I've lived in Virginia twice, and the first time was in Highland County. We drove 45 minutes over 3 mountains on the weekends to Staunton, to eat out and to shop for groceries. I later worked in Waynesboro 2 days a week, and generally stayed in and ate in Staunton. It's gorgeous country, and I really enjoyed my time there. I even used to like the Statler Brothers.

    The people of Highland County were overwhelmingly of German descent.
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  32. Anonymous[795] • Disclaimer says:
    @prusmc
    I have to marvel that such a shambles of humanity described by both Vance and Jim Goad, was able to turnout high example leaders like Al Gore, Mitch McConnel, Robert W. BYRD, LAMAR Alexander, Joe Manchin to name a few.
    BTW it is great to be not only read Jim Goad's articles but make and see comments on same. Clearly, Takimag has gone down hill since doing away with the comment thread which was much more extensive than here at UR. I read where Taki is offering a subscription, no advertising version, it says there is a comment section. No idea if it is the robust commentary of the old Taki, the same insipid letters to editor once a week as now or something which allows Zuckerberg et al to separate the wheat from the chaff. If it is the old time Tami, count me in.
    Also, wonder what Goad thinks about the writing of his fellow Jim (Webb) about Appalacian culture or lack of such ?

    I read where Taki is offering a subscription, no advertising version, it says there is a comment section. No idea if it is the robust commentary of the old Taki, the same insipid letters to editor once a week as now or something which allows Zuckerberg et al to separate the wheat from the chaff.

    The latter.

    Pay for a subscription, and they know who you are. Since free speech in the USA is actively suppressed/denied by the proto-fascists constituting the US “government”, your comments will be an invitation to a midnight FBI raid, if not real soon, then just “soon”.

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    Pay for a [Takimag] subscription, and they know who you are. Since free speech in the USA is actively suppressed/denied by the proto-fascists constituting the US “government”, your comments will be an invitation to a midnight FBI raid, if not real soon, then just “soon”.
     
    It does seem as though they've come to a late realization that blowing up the Disqus-based comments was an error. Thus, the April Fools' Day joke turned out to be on them. I suppose that were I to subscribe, I wouldn't miss the endless clickbait/ad pix of wrinkled skin and the endless like. Wouldn't be commenting much, either.
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  33. Anonymous[235] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bennis Mardens
    Kevin Macdonald makes an excellent case that Jews ruined western culture and I think he's right. I do not believe that poor whites suffer due to genetic deficiencies. Like Goad said, exporting our jobs and importing cheap labor took its' toll.
    Affirmative action keeps white men out of work, curtails family formation. Feminism ruined our women and made them unfit and unwilling to be homemakers. The media/academia demonize and demoralize our people. Jew porn destroys white men's brains and renders them impotent. Massive immigration destroyed social cohesion and social trust. Open borders brings drugs and more degeneracy.
    I could go on and on, but it's safe to say that Jewish influence is at the root of most of our problems. And it gives me no great pleasure to have discovered this fact as the redpill has caused me untold hardship and pain.

    Goad acts as if Jews don’t exist or that their influence is totally benign. He makes reference to the coastal elites but if he were more honest he would say (((coastal elites))).

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  34. Great article!

    I come from a family of working class white Germans in Pennsyltucky. And this is all I know: if you want to know the heartland, you’re better off listening to Merle Haggard than reading some sissy named J.B.

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  35. @Anonymous

    And this continued for a long time, as their descendants still serve in the military out of proportion to their percentage of the population. We are wanted only when we are needed, and when not needed, are reviled. One day we will be needed, and we will not be there.
     
    Must you embroider?

    It was not solely the Scots-Irish (and puh-leeze, do NOT say "Scotch-Irish"). My English ancestor arrived in 1635, and his descendants provided 8 (known) soldiers to the Revolution. To characterize the Revolution as Scots-Irish is absurd.

    Scots-Irish in the USA were not border reivers. My Scots-Irish ancestors came to Staunton, VA in 1730, and provided sons and grandsons to the Revolution. Staunton was called the Scots-Irish "Enclave" for a 100 years. As for "reivers", my ancestor, Robert, and his brother Samuel were stationers from Antrim.

    Just saying. Don't overly romanticize.

    I am 1/4 Scotch-Irish. And they were the sort of hardened people who, in the 1740s, squatted on land in Adams County PA, in defiance of the Penn family’s wishes. The Scotch-Irish generally started on the Pennsylvania frontier (where I still live) before moving south and west. And, yes, you are correct to warn RebelWriter about the tendency among Scotch-Irish and maybe Southerners to overly romanticize the Scotch-Irish or “Celtic” part of American culture. There were plenty of people besides the Scotch-Irish on the frontier. And calling the American Revolution a Scotch-Irish one is simply a gross exaggeration. Men like Daniel Morgan, or the Overmountain Boys, certainly had a vital impact, but the *ideological* heart of the Revolution probably came more the from Anglicans in Virginia and the middle colonies, and Calvinist Yankees, than it did from the Scotch-Irish.

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    Wow, but people are touchy here today. I must state, one more time, that I, personally, NEVER said the Revolution was Scotch-Irish, I said other's said so, and they did, and I wrote about it in an earlier post.

    In the same vein that you warn against overly romanticizing the Scotch-Irish, and Southern, contributions to American culture (they are not one and the same), I must warn you, with every bit as much moral authority ;^) against minimizing it. A lot of what became "American" culture had its roots in the South, and Southern culture was, and is, far more Celtic than Northern culture is.

    Daniel Morgan, from Virginia, was of Welsh ancestry. The Welsh are Celtic. I'm not sure if his family made the hop to America from Ireland or Wales. The Overmountain Men from the Republic of Franklin, were primarily Scotch-Irish.

    Virginia was not entirely Anglican, or English, either. The Eastern half was, of course, but the Western half had plenty of Scotch-Irish and Germans.
    , @ATBOTL
    Over emphasizing "Celtic" identity among British Protestant Americans is an early form of the flight from white.
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  36. @Anonymous
    If Jewish influence is at the root of most of our problems, then does this count?

    "We worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews." John 4:22

    You are such an obstinate idiot to keep ignoring other passages in the Bible.

    Romans 11:28

    Listen, troll, if Christianity is such a Jewish religion, then why did Talmudic Jews like Maimonides wish to boil Jesus in a vat of excrement for all eternity?

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    Jesus just wanted to share Judiasm with everyone rather than keep it exclusive.
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  37. RVBlake says:
    @Anonymous

    And this continued for a long time, as their descendants still serve in the military out of proportion to their percentage of the population. We are wanted only when we are needed, and when not needed, are reviled. One day we will be needed, and we will not be there.
     
    Must you embroider?

    It was not solely the Scots-Irish (and puh-leeze, do NOT say "Scotch-Irish"). My English ancestor arrived in 1635, and his descendants provided 8 (known) soldiers to the Revolution. To characterize the Revolution as Scots-Irish is absurd.

    Scots-Irish in the USA were not border reivers. My Scots-Irish ancestors came to Staunton, VA in 1730, and provided sons and grandsons to the Revolution. Staunton was called the Scots-Irish "Enclave" for a 100 years. As for "reivers", my ancestor, Robert, and his brother Samuel were stationers from Antrim.

    Just saying. Don't overly romanticize.

    Yeah, my line contributed several Connecticut and Massachusetts soldiers to the various French and Indian Wars and the Revolution, all of ‘em English imports.

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    Yeah, my line contributed several Connecticut and Massachusetts soldiers to the various French and Indian Wars and the Revolution, all of ‘em English imports.
     
    Me too. Dracut, Massachusetts. F&I Wars, and Green Mountain Boys during Revolution. Colburns, from Yorkshire originally. Most of them became Congregationalists. No intermarriage to Scots until 1860, and no Irish then or later. My mother's side -- a dour bunch. ;-)
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  38. Che Guava says:
    @unit472
    When my mother died I found myself with no job, having had to care for her and a house in the mountains of SW Virginia. Stupidly, I filed for unemployment benefits but not in California where I had been working but, because I was now in Virginia, registered with the Virginia program. They actually insist you find work and send you to people who are hiring. One of the few who was in that remote area was Sprint. This was about the best job in the county as it was CWA union position with a company that had benefits. I got the job! Here's why.

    I wasn't from the area. Everybody who worked at Sprint locally was trying to get their relative that job. Whomever was hired would make others mad and believe nepotism was responsible. As an outsider who had only been in the area for a couple of months I was a safe choice. I worked there for a little over a year before the 'old boy' network got me. Sprint laid some people off across the state line in North Carolina and word went out that there was a ' city boy' from California holding one those plum jobs in SW Virginia with no seniority so I got 'bumped' by one of the laid off hicks from North Carolina whose relatives alerted him to my status. Thus ended my sojourn in Appalachia.

    Well.

    That would make it clear that you have read very few articles and little or none of other writing.

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  39. @Anonymous

    WASP culture is the fruit of a Judaizing heresy that over time has largely re-paganized first one nationality and then, though its empire, the largest and wealthiest in world history, the entire world. WASP culture either will be opposed and defeated, or it will continue its natural life path toward civilizational vampirism and ultimate collapse.

     

    Mother of God, you are fucking nuts. There is no such thing as WASP culture, and never has been. The term is an invention of the zionist press.

    Clearly you’ve never read any books about American history, you git.

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    Clearly you’ve never read any books about American history, you git.
     
    Clearly, you did not grow up with English roots going back to 1280. I did. There is no such thing as "WASP". The designation is an invention of Jews.
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  40. @attilathehen
    Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that's worse. He had a black girlfriend. Fortunately, there was no issue. Goad has written he was a liberal and he used to live in California. He did stupid stuff with some Jewish ex-wife.

    I know about Goad's hard upbringing, but his adult years were degenerate and he now acts like some kind of conservative, nationalist. He and Vance are flip-sides of the same coin. Goad may now care about middle America but he wasted a lot of time to figure it out. Vance is a degenerate.

    “Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that’s worse.”

    Typical female spin, lacking the full story.

    The physical abuse between Goad and his former wife and mistress was mutual, meaning they assaulted each other. Goad’s mistress threatened to kill him and was served with a restraining order, and she also did time for…. wait for it… assault.

    Goad is no saint, but at least he actually went to prison and did time for his crimes. Punishment served, and no repeat behavior since.

    The women who comment here make me laugh. Most of you posture like you’re not feminists and in tune with the real history of events, but bring up “muh duhmestik vilense”, and you all go full Rosie O’Donnell and don your pink pussy hats.

    My wife has been a social worker for 25 years in the Chicago area. Here’s a fun fact that I got from her, after one of her endless mandatory state trainings: FIFTY % of domestic violence is initiated by the female. Note the word “initiate”. I did not say “charged with” or “arrested for”. So whatever stats you intend to counter with from some domestic abuse (feminist) website are skewed based on the following:

    The Ray Rice incident is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Rice was ruined after he punched his wife out:, thrown out of the NFL and arrested on DA charges (charges dropped because even if his fiance wanted to continue to press charges, no sane DA would go to court because Rice would merely plea self defense). Go back and watch the video. His wife initiates the violence by shoving him before he punches her. Nobody wants to talk about that though. Nobody wants to talk about the fact that domestic abuse against men goes vastly under reported because of the social humiliation that is attached to being beaten up by your wife. Nobody wants to talk about the fact that the justice system is biased towards females in DA cases, and violence initiated by females is disregarded when men retaliate. Men are charged and females are excused in most cases.

    Never mind the Time article, refer to the links within it:

    http://time.com/2921491/hope-solo-women-violence/

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    Gotta couple of comments here that don't actually go with each other, but what the hell...

    '...The women who comment here make me laugh. Most of you posture like you’re not feminists and in tune with the real history of events, but bring up “muh duhmestik vilense”, and you all go full Rosie O’Donnell and don your pink pussy hats...'

    So what do you want? Public pleas for men to righteously chastise them? It's going to be a while before that's the official story.

    '...Nobody wants to talk about the fact that domestic abuse against men goes vastly under reported because of the social humiliation that is attached to being beaten up by your wife...'

    I wonder if the woman initiates the violence simply because the man won't? That is to say, violence is obviously called for -- you won't hit me? Okay, I'll hit you.

    Here I'm reminded of one time when I was walking my dog. We came around a corner, and there was this cat. Ralph lunges for the cat, and I yank back on the leash, forcing Ralph to rear back. The cat's like 'well, if you're not going to chase me, I'll go for you' and lunges at Ralph.

    I forget how that one played out, but the point is that managing to bar men from initiating physical violence (which actually isn't a completely bad idea) may in at least some cases simply lead to the woman initiating it.

    Some of these issues have no perfect solution. Now is not good, but we don't necessarily want to go back to the good old days where some percentage of men routinely beat the crap out of their wives in front of the kids on a weekly basis.
    , @Anonymous

    The Ray Rice incident is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Rice was ruined after he punched his wife out:, thrown out of the NFL
     
    He was, and is, a violent and criminal negro. He decked a woman half his size. Cowards' work, Mikey. COWARD. You are defending a COWARD. Real men don't hit women except for rare -- RARE -- cases of actual self-preservation. Your defense of cowardice and wife-beating, once again, shows you for what you are: a misogynist POS.
    , @Colin Wright
    '...My wife has been a social worker for 25 years in the Chicago area. Here’s a fun fact that I got from her, after one of her endless mandatory state trainings: FIFTY % of domestic violence is initiated by the female...'

    Huh. Still, Chicago, you say?

    Are we just talking about a black cultural pattern? There are a lot of blacks in Chicago, I assume their rates of domestic violence are much higher than anyone else's, and in my experience, black girls are far more ready to engage in physical violence than white girls are.

    So maybe your statistic applies to everyone -- or maybe it doesn't.
    , @attilathehen
    "The physical abuse between Goad and his former wife and mistress was mutual..." WOW!!! It wouldn't bother me if I had not read about it. But, as usual, they couldn't keep it in their house. It spilled out into the open, and the police, courts, etc., had to get involved. Yes, he did his time, but this proves he does not know how to deal with women. If a man gets shoved by a woman, all he has to do is put her in a headlock and that will take care of the problem.

    I know about female on male violence. In fact, it's at about 60%. Again, no one I know has ever been involved in any kind of male/female, whatever kind of violence. However, when it happens, things must be judged fairly. Right now there is a hullabaloo because Betsy DeVos wants to change the way rape cases are handled on colleges. I remember the nonsense Obummer and his administration imposed on colleges regarding rape. Big picture, if someone claims to have been raped, the first thing to do is call the police and get an arrest warrant. Then evidence will be gathered. What Obummer did was unconstitutional and yet, as usual, no cucks ever made this argument.

    I saw something about Ray Rice, but I don't care because he's black. I am only for Western people, so whatever blacks/Asians do among themselves is their business. This is why it is important for blacks to have their own state. You're bringing up an example that does not matter in this case. Goad is a Caucasian who was a liberal libertine, had a black girlfriend, a Jewish wife and who knows what else. I know he had a difficult upbringing, but so have many people and they did not do what he did. He and Vance are flip-sides of the same coin.
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  41. @Stan d Mute

    tricking it to do things its WASP Elites never would have done to ‘other’ whites.
     
    No tricks were necessary, you vastly underestimate the perfidy of WASP elites.

    I suspect that most people these days have not watched any of the versions of A Man For All Seasons. It is largely accurate, and captures the essence of the “perfidy of WASP elites.”

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  42. @prusmc
    I have to marvel that such a shambles of humanity described by both Vance and Jim Goad, was able to turnout high example leaders like Al Gore, Mitch McConnel, Robert W. BYRD, LAMAR Alexander, Joe Manchin to name a few.
    BTW it is great to be not only read Jim Goad's articles but make and see comments on same. Clearly, Takimag has gone down hill since doing away with the comment thread which was much more extensive than here at UR. I read where Taki is offering a subscription, no advertising version, it says there is a comment section. No idea if it is the robust commentary of the old Taki, the same insipid letters to editor once a week as now or something which allows Zuckerberg et al to separate the wheat from the chaff. If it is the old time Tami, count me in.
    Also, wonder what Goad thinks about the writing of his fellow Jim (Webb) about Appalacian culture or lack of such ?

    If Goad’s weekly articles are going to continue to be published here, then that’s one less click I need to give Taki on Monday to read them. Works for me.

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    Did you see Taki’s “Pay to Play” thing?? I hate that site so much now. Of course I still read on Sunday and Monday for Goad, I’m weak.
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  43. @prusmc
    I have to marvel that such a shambles of humanity described by both Vance and Jim Goad, was able to turnout high example leaders like Al Gore, Mitch McConnel, Robert W. BYRD, LAMAR Alexander, Joe Manchin to name a few.
    BTW it is great to be not only read Jim Goad's articles but make and see comments on same. Clearly, Takimag has gone down hill since doing away with the comment thread which was much more extensive than here at UR. I read where Taki is offering a subscription, no advertising version, it says there is a comment section. No idea if it is the robust commentary of the old Taki, the same insipid letters to editor once a week as now or something which allows Zuckerberg et al to separate the wheat from the chaff. If it is the old time Tami, count me in.
    Also, wonder what Goad thinks about the writing of his fellow Jim (Webb) about Appalacian culture or lack of such ?

    Al Gore was born in Washington, DC, and raised nowhere near Appalachia. His father was from a fairly stable family in an area only on the fringe of the Appalachians. Mitch McConnell was born on the fringes of Appalachia and grew up in the city of Louisville. Neither of these fellows are “hillbillies.” As for Manchin, he is, in a sense I suppose, a “hillbilly,” but his family is eastern and southern European, not British Isles, and his father was a store owner in downtown Farmington – not exactly a hillbilly.

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    Al Gore lost Tennessee in 2000. Had he carried his supposed home state, it would have put him over 270 electoral votes no matter the Florida result.

    One of my liberal friends (who had some acquaintance with both Gores) thought if Al had been born in Tennessee, and had some schooling here, instead of DC he would have been POTUS.
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  44. @Stan d Mute

    what were the indices like for alcoholism, child abuse, etc among groups like unionized auto workers
     
    No data, but speaking anecdotally from a lifetime surrounded by UAW here in the HBD Mitten, the factory gates were surrounded by bars. On pay day, the shop rats (yep, that appellation was/is used) would trudge out, cross the street, cash their checks in the bar, and get so hammered they couldn’t make it home unassisted. They’d keep doing this until funds run were exhausted then dry out for a few days until the next payday. Others shot dope in the bathrooms of the factories and passed out on the lines.

    But many others formed solid middle class families, bought toys like snowmobiles and motorcycles, fishing boats and cabins ‘up north,’ etc. The really crafty ones figured out how to do things like steal expensive tools, car parts (even entire cars), sell drugs on the shop floor, and otherwise make a killing.

    This, in my opinion, really is about IQ. Stupid people are going to do stupid things. The bright kids who got UAW jobs were either skimmed off into management school (ie GMI) or just promoted to skilled trades or supervisory jobs on the shop floor. The dullards spent 20-30 years putting tab A into slot B.

    ‘…But many others formed solid middle class families, bought toys like snowmobiles and motorcycles, fishing boats and cabins ‘up north,’ etc. The really crafty ones figured out how to do things like steal expensive tools, car parts (even entire cars), sell drugs on the shop floor, and otherwise make a killing…’

    There’s also just having a job — of the community having some occupation that the bulk of people are engaged in, that supports the shopkeepers and plumbers and elderly widows more or less genteely getting everyone to take care of them.

    Here I’m thinking of rural Hawaii — which sociologically is a bit of a mess, and kind of lost. The sugar industry went away, you see. There’s tourism, of course, and catering to all the wealthy white retirees, but fundamentally, there’s nothing to do.

    The results aren’t pretty. Ditto — on a less dramatic scale — for the area of Southern Oregon I live in now. The timber industry used to employ everyone. It still employs a lot of people, but nothing like what it used to (for one thing, now we ship an awful lot of unfinished logs overseas rather than making them into 2X4′s here). Partially, the results are these clusters of drug-addled trailer trash, and drifting packs of vagrants. Again, it’s not pretty.

    The Japanese are infamous for subsidizing all kinds of obvious economic inefficiency. Small shops and businesses abound — sometimes almost absurdly economically unviable. One sees tiny, tiny little plots of land — like the sliver where two roadways join — being cultivated.

    Now, on a strictly economic analysis, this may be inefficient, but the obvious benefit is that everyone has something to do, and presumably is convinced that they’re making a contribution, even if Japan really could just import their pathetic hundred-sack harvest of rice from Viet Nam or whatever at much less cost.

    Obviously the pattern varies, but off-shoring seems to have ripped the heart out of so many communities. It’s an indictment of our ruling class that we allowed this to happen. After all, I can recall Pat Buchanan ranting about what was going on thirty years ago. It’s not like it was a secret.

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    Originally from upstate NY near Canada. Even 60 years ago could not understand beautiful northern hardwoods logs being sent abroad instead of breaking down the bulk in local sawmills. There was plenty of cheap labor for the work and the value-added clearly been considerable. Half-century later it still continues and the local labor is still available, though not as cheap due to the presence of FSA amenities.
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  45. Though isolating your father’s unfortunate demise to a single cause of putting away a hard-core bottle of booze daily be a fool’s errand, methinks, it’s the most likely reason; meanwhile Vance is enjoying a sumptuous meal of curried coon with carrots to his heart”s content, largely thanks to the dot head… only if grandpappy Goad had found one of them things, he may have had raised your pappy to be a Harvard educated doctor, for the life of ease rather than heartache and headache!

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  46. @nsa
    Wigger Nation is being treated to an updated cultural version of Good Cop / Bad Cop.......call it Good Jooie / Bad Jooie The bad jooie owned media harangues and ridicules the rural white trash wiggers relentlessly....all the while the good jooie owned Trumpstein feigns sympathy and promises some kind of immediate relief. So all you obese high fivin', knuckle bumpin', fagball lovin', fat chick fuckin', meth snortin', disability collectin', F150 drivin', gun totin', chip munchin', camo wearin', hick wiggers just hang in there. The Trumpstein magi cavalry is sounding the horn and riding to your rescue........

    ‘Wigger Nation is being treated to an updated cultural version of Good Cop / Bad Cop…….call it Good Jooie / Bad Jooie The bad jooie owned media harangues and ridicules the rural white trash wiggers relentlessly….all the while the good jooie owned Trumpstein feigns sympathy and promises some kind of immediate relief. So all you obese high fivin’, knuckle bumpin’, fagball lovin’, fat chick fuckin’, meth snortin’, disability collectin’, F150 drivin’, gun totin’, chip munchin’, camo wearin’, hick wiggers just hang in there. The Trumpstein magi cavalry is sounding the horn and riding to your rescue……..’

    Not bad. I don’t actually agree — but not bad.

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  47. @unit472
    When my mother died I found myself with no job, having had to care for her and a house in the mountains of SW Virginia. Stupidly, I filed for unemployment benefits but not in California where I had been working but, because I was now in Virginia, registered with the Virginia program. They actually insist you find work and send you to people who are hiring. One of the few who was in that remote area was Sprint. This was about the best job in the county as it was CWA union position with a company that had benefits. I got the job! Here's why.

    I wasn't from the area. Everybody who worked at Sprint locally was trying to get their relative that job. Whomever was hired would make others mad and believe nepotism was responsible. As an outsider who had only been in the area for a couple of months I was a safe choice. I worked there for a little over a year before the 'old boy' network got me. Sprint laid some people off across the state line in North Carolina and word went out that there was a ' city boy' from California holding one those plum jobs in SW Virginia with no seniority so I got 'bumped' by one of the laid off hicks from North Carolina whose relatives alerted him to my status. Thus ended my sojourn in Appalachia.

    In south Missouri locals will not tolerate a broke outsider among them, even if originally from the area. You are workforce competition. Thinking about returning to the old homeplace? Financial independence is Job #1! Once there, put on your best Jeeboo is Muh Savior smile and visit a church patronized by the local elite. Donate to the pastor’s weekly pot. Ask your pastor for recommendations and hire boys from the congregation to perform odd jobs. Although difficult, refrain from gossip and never have a bad word to say about anybody. Buy hardware, groceries, and gasoline from local Mom & Pops. Minimize trips to Walmart and don’t use the Hindu-owned AM-PM Mkt. Attend the high school’s varsity games. Mail is watched and receipt of unusual items will be “casually mentioned” to others. After five to seven years many locals, if not most, will come to think of you as “Good Ole Mister So and So” instead of that “Gawd Dang A**hole From Kalleefornya.” Don’t think about engaging in local politics until ten or more years have passed, then limit it to the school board. Run for Mayor or Sheriff and the locals will suddenly remember you’re from California.

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    'In south Missouri locals will...'

    These rules sound like they'd work pretty well for rural Oregon.
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  48. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that’s worse."

    Typical female spin, lacking the full story.

    The physical abuse between Goad and his former wife and mistress was mutual, meaning they assaulted each other. Goad's mistress threatened to kill him and was served with a restraining order, and she also did time for.... wait for it... assault.

    Goad is no saint, but at least he actually went to prison and did time for his crimes. Punishment served, and no repeat behavior since.

    The women who comment here make me laugh. Most of you posture like you're not feminists and in tune with the real history of events, but bring up "muh duhmestik vilense", and you all go full Rosie O'Donnell and don your pink pussy hats.

    My wife has been a social worker for 25 years in the Chicago area. Here's a fun fact that I got from her, after one of her endless mandatory state trainings: FIFTY % of domestic violence is initiated by the female. Note the word "initiate". I did not say "charged with" or "arrested for". So whatever stats you intend to counter with from some domestic abuse (feminist) website are skewed based on the following:

    The Ray Rice incident is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Rice was ruined after he punched his wife out:, thrown out of the NFL and arrested on DA charges (charges dropped because even if his fiance wanted to continue to press charges, no sane DA would go to court because Rice would merely plea self defense). Go back and watch the video. His wife initiates the violence by shoving him before he punches her. Nobody wants to talk about that though. Nobody wants to talk about the fact that domestic abuse against men goes vastly under reported because of the social humiliation that is attached to being beaten up by your wife. Nobody wants to talk about the fact that the justice system is biased towards females in DA cases, and violence initiated by females is disregarded when men retaliate. Men are charged and females are excused in most cases.

    Never mind the Time article, refer to the links within it:

    http://time.com/2921491/hope-solo-women-violence/

    Gotta couple of comments here that don’t actually go with each other, but what the hell…

    ‘…The women who comment here make me laugh. Most of you posture like you’re not feminists and in tune with the real history of events, but bring up “muh duhmestik vilense”, and you all go full Rosie O’Donnell and don your pink pussy hats…’

    So what do you want? Public pleas for men to righteously chastise them? It’s going to be a while before that’s the official story.

    ‘…Nobody wants to talk about the fact that domestic abuse against men goes vastly under reported because of the social humiliation that is attached to being beaten up by your wife…’

    I wonder if the woman initiates the violence simply because the man won’t? That is to say, violence is obviously called for — you won’t hit me? Okay, I’ll hit you.

    Here I’m reminded of one time when I was walking my dog. We came around a corner, and there was this cat. Ralph lunges for the cat, and I yank back on the leash, forcing Ralph to rear back. The cat’s like ‘well, if you’re not going to chase me, I’ll go for you’ and lunges at Ralph.

    I forget how that one played out, but the point is that managing to bar men from initiating physical violence (which actually isn’t a completely bad idea) may in at least some cases simply lead to the woman initiating it.

    Some of these issues have no perfect solution. Now is not good, but we don’t necessarily want to go back to the good old days where some percentage of men routinely beat the crap out of their wives in front of the kids on a weekly basis.

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    "So what do you want?"

    I thought it was obvious: If you're going to dig up someone's past, tell the entire story, not spin it to fit the prevailing narrative. In other words, tell the whole truth, mmkay?

    As for the rest of your comment, it is mostly nonsense.
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  49. Anonymous[324] • Disclaimer says:
    @RVBlake
    Yeah, my line contributed several Connecticut and Massachusetts soldiers to the various French and Indian Wars and the Revolution, all of 'em English imports.

    Yeah, my line contributed several Connecticut and Massachusetts soldiers to the various French and Indian Wars and the Revolution, all of ‘em English imports.

    Me too. Dracut, Massachusetts. F&I Wars, and Green Mountain Boys during Revolution. Colburns, from Yorkshire originally. Most of them became Congregationalists. No intermarriage to Scots until 1860, and no Irish then or later. My mother’s side — a dour bunch. ;-)

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    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    Clearly you've never read any books about American history, you git.

    Clearly you’ve never read any books about American history, you git.

    Clearly, you did not grow up with English roots going back to 1280. I did. There is no such thing as “WASP”. The designation is an invention of Jews.

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  51. Anonymous[324] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that’s worse."

    Typical female spin, lacking the full story.

    The physical abuse between Goad and his former wife and mistress was mutual, meaning they assaulted each other. Goad's mistress threatened to kill him and was served with a restraining order, and she also did time for.... wait for it... assault.

    Goad is no saint, but at least he actually went to prison and did time for his crimes. Punishment served, and no repeat behavior since.

    The women who comment here make me laugh. Most of you posture like you're not feminists and in tune with the real history of events, but bring up "muh duhmestik vilense", and you all go full Rosie O'Donnell and don your pink pussy hats.

    My wife has been a social worker for 25 years in the Chicago area. Here's a fun fact that I got from her, after one of her endless mandatory state trainings: FIFTY % of domestic violence is initiated by the female. Note the word "initiate". I did not say "charged with" or "arrested for". So whatever stats you intend to counter with from some domestic abuse (feminist) website are skewed based on the following:

    The Ray Rice incident is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Rice was ruined after he punched his wife out:, thrown out of the NFL and arrested on DA charges (charges dropped because even if his fiance wanted to continue to press charges, no sane DA would go to court because Rice would merely plea self defense). Go back and watch the video. His wife initiates the violence by shoving him before he punches her. Nobody wants to talk about that though. Nobody wants to talk about the fact that domestic abuse against men goes vastly under reported because of the social humiliation that is attached to being beaten up by your wife. Nobody wants to talk about the fact that the justice system is biased towards females in DA cases, and violence initiated by females is disregarded when men retaliate. Men are charged and females are excused in most cases.

    Never mind the Time article, refer to the links within it:

    http://time.com/2921491/hope-solo-women-violence/

    The Ray Rice incident is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Rice was ruined after he punched his wife out:, thrown out of the NFL

    He was, and is, a violent and criminal negro. He decked a woman half his size. Cowards’ work, Mikey. COWARD. You are defending a COWARD. Real men don’t hit women except for rare — RARE — cases of actual self-preservation. Your defense of cowardice and wife-beating, once again, shows you for what you are: a misogynist POS.

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    Real men don’t hit women except for rare — RARE — cases of actual self-preservation.
     
    White knight get off your victorian horse, it's rachitic.

    That's not how humans work and you are no position to decide who a "Real Man" is (whatever THAT is, I guess it depends on the situation and the speaker).

    Frederik Pohl had it right, in "Gateway" 1977:


    “Friend!” I barked. The last thing Metchnikov was to anyone was a friend. Just thinking about Klara with him made my groin crawl. I didn’t like the sensation, because I couldn’t identify it. It wasn’t just anger, wasn’t even just jealousy. There was a component that remained obstinately opaque. I said, knowing it was illogical, hearing myself seem almost to whine, “I introduced you to him!”

    “That doesn’t give you ownership! All right,” Kiara snarled, “maybe I went to bed with him a few times. It doesn’t change how I feel about you.”

    “It changes how I feel about you, Klara.”

    She stared incredulously. “You have the nerve to say that? Coming here, smelling of sex with some cheap floozy?”

    That one caught me off guard. “There was nothing cheap about it! I was comforting someone in pain.”

    She laughed. The sound was unpleasant; anger is unbecoming. “Louise Forehand? She hustled her way up here, did you know that?”

    The little girl was holding the ball and staring at us now. I could see we were frightening her. I said, trying to tighten my voice to keep the anger from spilling out, “Klara, I’m not going to let you make a fool out of me.”

    “Ah,” she said in inarticulate disgust, and turned around to go. I reached out to touch her, and she sobbed and hit me, as hard as she could. The blow caught me on the shoulder.

    That was a mistake.

    That’s always a mistake. It isn’t a matter of what’s rational or justified, it is a matter of signals. It was the wrong signal to give me. The reason wolves don’t kill each other off is that the smaller and weaker wolf always surrenders. It rolls over, bares its throat and puts its paws in the air to signal that it is beaten. When that happens the winner is physically unable to attack anymore. If it were not that way, there wouldn’t be any wolves left. For the same reason men don’t usually kill women, or not by beating them to death. They can’t. However much he wants to hit her, his internal machinery vetoes it. But if the woman makes the mistake of giving him a different signal by hitting him first- I punched her four or five times, as hard as I could, on the breast, in the face, in the belly. She fell to the ground, sobbing. I knelt beside her, lifted her up with one hand and, in absolutely cold blood, slapped her twice more. It was all happening as if choreographed by God, absolutely inevitably; and at the same I could feel that I was breathing as hard as though I’d climbed a mountain on a dead run. The blood was thundering in my ears. Everything I saw was hazed with red.

     

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    Clearly you are an unhinged fool incapable of controlling your emotions. Case in point. You mistake my observations of an incident as a defense of it. That would be false.

    The Rice incident is an example of a broader issue, that's all. That you cannot make the distinction is your problem. Now, back to polishing your white suit of armor, sir knight.
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  52. I had the same reaction to Vance’s book; apple polishing class traitor. The fact that the preferred outlets of the coastal professional elite were touting it ought to have been my first clue.

    “Listen Liberal” by Thomas Frank was, by contract, mostly ignored by the preferred outlets of the coastal professional elite, and was closer to being correct. Amazing that the “whassamadda Kansas” guy finally came to the correct conclusions. It was, in fact the “meritocratic” upper middle class who took over the left and abandoned the working man who ruined the country by outsourcing everyone’s jobs, shrugging and saying “economics whatchagonnado.”

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  53. @Anonymous

    And this continued for a long time, as their descendants still serve in the military out of proportion to their percentage of the population. We are wanted only when we are needed, and when not needed, are reviled. One day we will be needed, and we will not be there.
     
    Must you embroider?

    It was not solely the Scots-Irish (and puh-leeze, do NOT say "Scotch-Irish"). My English ancestor arrived in 1635, and his descendants provided 8 (known) soldiers to the Revolution. To characterize the Revolution as Scots-Irish is absurd.

    Scots-Irish in the USA were not border reivers. My Scots-Irish ancestors came to Staunton, VA in 1730, and provided sons and grandsons to the Revolution. Staunton was called the Scots-Irish "Enclave" for a 100 years. As for "reivers", my ancestor, Robert, and his brother Samuel were stationers from Antrim.

    Just saying. Don't overly romanticize.

    The written sentence was, “Some people referred to the Revolution as a Scotch-Irish rebellion,” which some did. I didn’t “characterize the Revolution as Scots-Irish,” nor even IMPLY it was solely Scotch-Irish.

    A Hessian officer said, “Call this war by whatever name you may, only call it not an American rebellion; it is nothing more or less than a Scotch Irish Presbyterian rebellion.”(Leyburn)

    A British major general, Joseph Galloway, testified to the House of Commons that “half the rebel Continental Army were from Ireland”. (Bagenal)

    Some estimates put the portion of the Americans who supported the Revolution at a low of 30%. Another 30% supported the crown, and the rest wanted to be left out of it. Report after report indicates the Scotch-Irish were nearly unanimous in supporting the Revolution, or at least the majority of them did. I haven’t read the same account about any other ethnic group of Americans, be they Dutch, French, German, or English. The Scotch-Irish made up somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of patriot forces, while they were only around 1/5 of the population.

    At the Battle of Kings Mountain there only two men on the field who weren’t born in America; the leaders of either side, Brown and Ferguson, who were both Scots. The “British” infantry were mostly from NY and NJ, and were primarily of English origin, while the Americans were nearly all Scotch-Irish.

    “Scots-Irish” is a 20th Century term employed by people who want to genuflect about using “proper English,” or something. “Scotch is whiskey,” blah, blah, bah.

    They were first called “Scotch-Irish,” in America, though everybody else in the world called them Ulstermen, or Ulster Scots, and still do. James Leyburn, who wrote the definitive history of these people, The Scotch-Irish, a Social History, has gone into this argument in great detail, Appendix I of his book, and you’ll notice the name he chose for his book. Some examples from it:

    Queen Elizabeth I called them Scotch-Irish in 1573, in a letter concerning Sorley Boy MacDonnel.

    The first written mention of them in America was in 1695, when Sir Thomas Laurence, Secretary of Maryland, wrote that “In the two counties of Dorchester and Somerset, where the Scotch-Irish are numerous, they clothe themselves by their linen and woolen manufactures.”

    1723, Rev. George Ross, Rector of Immanuel Church in New Castle, Delaware, wrote in reference to their anti-Church of England stance that, “They call themselves Scotch-Irish … and the bitterest railers against the church that ever trod upon American ground.”

    There are many more. That they called themselves Scotch-Irish, and that term has the longest historical existence, is good enough for me. Your personal opinion of it is of no concern.

    That a very large part of the Ulsterman were from the Borders is not the least bit controversial. King James himself mentioned it in written communications. George MacDonald Frazier wrote about it in his book, The Steel Bonnets, and George Hacket Fischer, author of Albion’s Seed, said he prefered to refer to them as borderers. The Scots who went to Ireland were almost entirely from the Lowlands, where, you may note, the border with England is located.

    These weren’t Gaelic Scots, for the most part, and not all who went to Ireland were Scots. A great many English went as well. Some Londoners, but quite a few from the borders in Northern England. Either side of the border, they were ethnically almost identical. I call them Celtic-Anglo-Saxon-Danes. I’m probably alone in calling them that, but that’s what they were. Broad Scots, the language of Lowland Scotland, is but a slightly different form of English. Bernicia, later called North Umbria, was under Anglo-Saxon dominion for centuries before it fell to the Danes, and later back to the Anglo-Saxons, then eventually divided between Scotland and England.

    Again, you may argue with history all you please. What your particular ancestors did, and where they were from, has no impact, except as possible exceptions to the rule. You just want to fight with someone on the internet about some particular subject you’re personally sore about it. Have at. I don’t care.

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    You just want to fight with someone on the internet about some particular subject you’re personally sore about it. Have at. I don’t care.
     
    Great quoting there, Johnny. For the likes of Unz, positively first rate. We lubs us some good color commentators.

    The English said, and say, "Scotch-Irish". The Scots-Irish say it correctly. Your option as an American is duly noted.

    I reiterate: My Scots-Irish ancestors came to Staunton, VA in 1730, and provided sons and grandsons to the Revolution. Staunton was called the Scots-Irish "Enclave" for a 100 years. How do I know that? Family records, not contemporary "historical account".

    I sense you are an admirer of various histories. I am not. Whether revealed, recalled, or merely recorded, history, as presented to the public by those calling themselves "historians", is bunk.
    , @Hank Yobo
    Louis XVI probably played a more significant role in rebel fortunes than all the Scots/Scotch-Irish involved.
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  54. @Oldtradesman
    In south Missouri locals will not tolerate a broke outsider among them, even if originally from the area. You are workforce competition. Thinking about returning to the old homeplace? Financial independence is Job #1! Once there, put on your best Jeeboo is Muh Savior smile and visit a church patronized by the local elite. Donate to the pastor's weekly pot. Ask your pastor for recommendations and hire boys from the congregation to perform odd jobs. Although difficult, refrain from gossip and never have a bad word to say about anybody. Buy hardware, groceries, and gasoline from local Mom & Pops. Minimize trips to Walmart and don't use the Hindu-owned AM-PM Mkt. Attend the high school's varsity games. Mail is watched and receipt of unusual items will be "casually mentioned" to others. After five to seven years many locals, if not most, will come to think of you as "Good Ole Mister So and So" instead of that "Gawd Dang A**hole From Kalleefornya." Don't think about engaging in local politics until ten or more years have passed, then limit it to the school board. Run for Mayor or Sheriff and the locals will suddenly remember you're from California.

    ‘In south Missouri locals will…’

    These rules sound like they’d work pretty well for rural Oregon.

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  55. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    I am 1/4 Scotch-Irish. And they were the sort of hardened people who, in the 1740s, squatted on land in Adams County PA, in defiance of the Penn family's wishes. The Scotch-Irish generally started on the Pennsylvania frontier (where I still live) before moving south and west. And, yes, you are correct to warn RebelWriter about the tendency among Scotch-Irish and maybe Southerners to overly romanticize the Scotch-Irish or "Celtic" part of American culture. There were plenty of people besides the Scotch-Irish on the frontier. And calling the American Revolution a Scotch-Irish one is simply a gross exaggeration. Men like Daniel Morgan, or the Overmountain Boys, certainly had a vital impact, but the *ideological* heart of the Revolution probably came more the from Anglicans in Virginia and the middle colonies, and Calvinist Yankees, than it did from the Scotch-Irish.

    Wow, but people are touchy here today. I must state, one more time, that I, personally, NEVER said the Revolution was Scotch-Irish, I said other’s said so, and they did, and I wrote about it in an earlier post.

    In the same vein that you warn against overly romanticizing the Scotch-Irish, and Southern, contributions to American culture (they are not one and the same), I must warn you, with every bit as much moral authority ;^) against minimizing it. A lot of what became “American” culture had its roots in the South, and Southern culture was, and is, far more Celtic than Northern culture is.

    Daniel Morgan, from Virginia, was of Welsh ancestry. The Welsh are Celtic. I’m not sure if his family made the hop to America from Ireland or Wales. The Overmountain Men from the Republic of Franklin, were primarily Scotch-Irish.

    Virginia was not entirely Anglican, or English, either. The Eastern half was, of course, but the Western half had plenty of Scotch-Irish and Germans.

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    '...Southern culture was, and is, far more Celtic than Northern culture is...'

    Given the Irish presence in the Northeast, that remark seems a bit strange.
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  56. @Anonymous

    And this continued for a long time, as their descendants still serve in the military out of proportion to their percentage of the population. We are wanted only when we are needed, and when not needed, are reviled. One day we will be needed, and we will not be there.
     
    Must you embroider?

    It was not solely the Scots-Irish (and puh-leeze, do NOT say "Scotch-Irish"). My English ancestor arrived in 1635, and his descendants provided 8 (known) soldiers to the Revolution. To characterize the Revolution as Scots-Irish is absurd.

    Scots-Irish in the USA were not border reivers. My Scots-Irish ancestors came to Staunton, VA in 1730, and provided sons and grandsons to the Revolution. Staunton was called the Scots-Irish "Enclave" for a 100 years. As for "reivers", my ancestor, Robert, and his brother Samuel were stationers from Antrim.

    Just saying. Don't overly romanticize.

    I hate to be at all agreeable with you in any way whatsoever, but I’ve lived in Virginia twice, and the first time was in Highland County. We drove 45 minutes over 3 mountains on the weekends to Staunton, to eat out and to shop for groceries. I later worked in Waynesboro 2 days a week, and generally stayed in and ate in Staunton. It’s gorgeous country, and I really enjoyed my time there. I even used to like the Statler Brothers.

    The people of Highland County were overwhelmingly of German descent.

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    We drove 45 minutes over 3 mountains on the weekends to Staunton, to eat out and to shop for groceries. I later worked in Waynesboro 2 days a week, and generally stayed in and ate in Staunton. It’s gorgeous country, and I really enjoyed my time there.
     
    I know some of the history, primarily from county records dealing with my ancestors, most of whom went to Kentucky when they didn't inherit -- first-born being the rule among Scots-Irish. My last wife liked to go to Staunton for shopping weekends and yet another expensive restaurant. That's my father's family -- Union soldiers from Indiana, and Confederate soldiers from Kentucky and Virginia. Plus a whole bunch of former slaves with my surname. (Always check before chiming "Hey! That's my name, too!") ;-)
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  57. @Teddy
    Four years in the Marines, in my opinion, is what lifted Vance from a river rat to Master Splinter.

    If more youth from this geographic entered the military we would see more success stories.

    Good job, Vance. You can now live a comfy life with your curry smelling third world escapee. She could have very easily been raped (if she grew up in India, I don't know) and found herself the Indian equivalent of a hillbilly meth addict. It could have been you, Vance. Imagine if some cracker popped your cherry one hot summer night. You would probably be taking cocktails of anti-retroviral drugs instead of sipping cocktails on the Left Coast.

    There is an element of luck to all success stories.

    Those who are successful don’t like to think that their success may have been primarily a matter of luck, and those who fail don’t like to think that their failure may have been primarily due to their own bad decisions.

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  58. @advancedatheist

    He ultimately was accepted into Yale’s law school and married an Indian woman (dot, not feather) named Usha.
     
    The infiltration of Pajeets and their mixed-race offspring into America's elites deserves a lot more scrutiny than it has gotten.

    Seriously, where the hell did Kamala Harris, Nikki Haley, Dinesh D'Souza, Preet Bhahara, Bobby Jindal and similar high-profile "Americans" come from?

    ‘Seriously, where the hell did Kamala Harris, Nikki Haley, Dinesh D’Souza, Preet Bhahara, Bobby Jindal and similar high-profile “Americans” come from?’

    They’re intelligent, they work hard, and they value achievement. Nu?

    It’s happened before. This is a great place for immigrants. Everybody gets what they want.

    I can’t say I mind — just so long as we firmly close the door to any more. I do not want fifteen million Indians moving here. I don’t want fifteen million anythings moving here.

    If we do let in fifteen million Indians, well…

    Let’s just say people won’t be complaining about Jews anymore.

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    We don't need more immigrants and their offspring who "succeed" through parasitic channels like law, academia and politics, and then build on their gains by trying to rule over us on the national level.
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  59. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that’s worse."

    Typical female spin, lacking the full story.

    The physical abuse between Goad and his former wife and mistress was mutual, meaning they assaulted each other. Goad's mistress threatened to kill him and was served with a restraining order, and she also did time for.... wait for it... assault.

    Goad is no saint, but at least he actually went to prison and did time for his crimes. Punishment served, and no repeat behavior since.

    The women who comment here make me laugh. Most of you posture like you're not feminists and in tune with the real history of events, but bring up "muh duhmestik vilense", and you all go full Rosie O'Donnell and don your pink pussy hats.

    My wife has been a social worker for 25 years in the Chicago area. Here's a fun fact that I got from her, after one of her endless mandatory state trainings: FIFTY % of domestic violence is initiated by the female. Note the word "initiate". I did not say "charged with" or "arrested for". So whatever stats you intend to counter with from some domestic abuse (feminist) website are skewed based on the following:

    The Ray Rice incident is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Rice was ruined after he punched his wife out:, thrown out of the NFL and arrested on DA charges (charges dropped because even if his fiance wanted to continue to press charges, no sane DA would go to court because Rice would merely plea self defense). Go back and watch the video. His wife initiates the violence by shoving him before he punches her. Nobody wants to talk about that though. Nobody wants to talk about the fact that domestic abuse against men goes vastly under reported because of the social humiliation that is attached to being beaten up by your wife. Nobody wants to talk about the fact that the justice system is biased towards females in DA cases, and violence initiated by females is disregarded when men retaliate. Men are charged and females are excused in most cases.

    Never mind the Time article, refer to the links within it:

    http://time.com/2921491/hope-solo-women-violence/

    ‘…My wife has been a social worker for 25 years in the Chicago area. Here’s a fun fact that I got from her, after one of her endless mandatory state trainings: FIFTY % of domestic violence is initiated by the female…’

    Huh. Still, Chicago, you say?

    Are we just talking about a black cultural pattern? There are a lot of blacks in Chicago, I assume their rates of domestic violence are much higher than anyone else’s, and in my experience, black girls are far more ready to engage in physical violence than white girls are.

    So maybe your statistic applies to everyone — or maybe it doesn’t.

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    Chicago area, I said. Her AoO is actually most of North Eastern and Central Eastern Illinois. She deals specifically with children separated from their parents, but as I said, the state mandated class she attended dealt specifically with DV.

    But you just can't wait to jump to some conclusion, can you?
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  60. Issac says:
    @Anonymous

    WASP culture is the fruit of a Judaizing heresy that over time has largely re-paganized first one nationality and then, though its empire, the largest and wealthiest in world history, the entire world. WASP culture either will be opposed and defeated, or it will continue its natural life path toward civilizational vampirism and ultimate collapse.

     

    Mother of God, you are fucking nuts. There is no such thing as WASP culture, and never has been. The term is an invention of the zionist press.

    I don’t know about that (late) source of the notion, or the non-existence-ever hypothesis, but it would be critically inaccurate to suggest any such elite exists today or even a generation ago. WASPs breed out even more so than liberal jews and have for ages. Whatever they were they have essentially folded into various other elites over time.

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  61. @Colin Wright
    'Seriously, where the hell did Kamala Harris, Nikki Haley, Dinesh D’Souza, Preet Bhahara, Bobby Jindal and similar high-profile “Americans” come from?'

    They're intelligent, they work hard, and they value achievement. Nu?

    It's happened before. This is a great place for immigrants. Everybody gets what they want.

    I can't say I mind -- just so long as we firmly close the door to any more. I do not want fifteen million Indians moving here. I don't want fifteen million anythings moving here.

    If we do let in fifteen million Indians, well...

    Let's just say people won't be complaining about Jews anymore.

    We don’t need more immigrants and their offspring who “succeed” through parasitic channels like law, academia and politics, and then build on their gains by trying to rule over us on the national level.

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  62. @rebelwriter
    Wow, but people are touchy here today. I must state, one more time, that I, personally, NEVER said the Revolution was Scotch-Irish, I said other's said so, and they did, and I wrote about it in an earlier post.

    In the same vein that you warn against overly romanticizing the Scotch-Irish, and Southern, contributions to American culture (they are not one and the same), I must warn you, with every bit as much moral authority ;^) against minimizing it. A lot of what became "American" culture had its roots in the South, and Southern culture was, and is, far more Celtic than Northern culture is.

    Daniel Morgan, from Virginia, was of Welsh ancestry. The Welsh are Celtic. I'm not sure if his family made the hop to America from Ireland or Wales. The Overmountain Men from the Republic of Franklin, were primarily Scotch-Irish.

    Virginia was not entirely Anglican, or English, either. The Eastern half was, of course, but the Western half had plenty of Scotch-Irish and Germans.

    ‘…Southern culture was, and is, far more Celtic than Northern culture is…’

    Given the Irish presence in the Northeast, that remark seems a bit strange.

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    Yeah, I agree. The Irish of the North are descendants of Famine Irish. They are more truly Celtic than the earlier Scotch-Irish. The difference lies, I think, in that New England culture was firmly in place long before they got there, whereas in the South the Scotch-Irish had a bigger hand in forming that culture.

    Boston has a very Irish area, and lots of Irish themed bars, and even large Irish festivals, yet the city is, overall, nothing like them; it's English. Southern English, as in Kentish, to be more precise. Though the famine Irish came in greater numbers than the Scotch-Irish, they went mostly to large towns which had existed for over a century. They added to the culture of the area, but no more so than the Germans and Italians.

    I wrote of one of the differences on another site today, as concerning farms. In the North (everywhere in the North), they followed English traditions. In the South, particularly by the turn of the 19th Century, in large parts of the South (not all of it), they followed mostly Celtic traditions. The most notable of these was in how each kept livestock. In the North, they penned up or fenced in livestock. In the South they ranged them. What later became branding in the Old West started as tattooing and ear clipping in Ireland and Scotland, and later the American South. In the South, one fenced in row crops, and anything else you didn't want the livestock to get into.

    Dueling is another example. The French, especially the Corsicans, were much quicker to duel than were the English, and the Irish put them both to shame, or were the shame, depending on your viewpoint.

    I'm not saying there weren't duels in the North, I'm saying there were a LOT more of them in the South. The Code Duello, or dueling code of conduct, used in the continental era was written by a former governor of South Carolina. There was a time when one couldn't get elected if you hadn't fought at least one duel. Among the elite of planter society, a young man held scarce hope for a good bride if he hadn't fought in a duel. I'm not bragging about this, I'm just writing what I know. The antebellum South was a place where a wrong word could get you real dead real quick. I have examples.

    John William De Forest was a Union Officer in the Reconstruction, stationed in Greenville, SC, and wrote a book with that as the title. There were two notable stories he related, both of which he read in the papers during his stay. (As an aside, my father once worked in the same office building where De Forest worked)

    In one was the judgement of a case in Columbia. One man had murdered another in broad daylight in downtown Columbia in front of everybody. This man testified that the decedent had slandered him by spreading rumors that his wife was having an affair. The judge ruled it was self-defense, and remarked, "The lie was the first blow."

    De Forest was understandably confused by this, but finally figured it out. At that time in that place, even if the rumor were true - maybe especially if it were true - to say it out loud is equal to walking up to a man and slapping his face with a pair of gloves. By the official Code Duello, no such formality was required. All that was required was an insult. The rumor was the insult. It's true that no formal request for a duel was made, which is a problem that I have with it. I suppose if the judge had any problems with it, he kept the matter to himself. I don't really blame him.

    Another story is that of a visiting Northerner shot dead on an avenue in Greenville. This was several blocks over from De Forest's Coffee St. Office. Apparently the man got into a political discussion with a native. It turned heated. The Northerner got up close to the native, and gesticulated wildly, with passion even.

    The Greenville man took one step back, pulled a pistol from this vest, and shot the Northerner dead. Once again, it was ruled self-defense. It was mentioned that the people who witnessed it were shocked when it was discovered he was unarmed, and felt bad for him, because he had to be mentall unstable, or insane even. After all, no sane person would act that way unarmed.

    Again, I'm not bragging about the violence, I'm merely sharing what I've read and watched. The few experts on Southern dueling I've read and watched attribute this behavior back to Scotland and Ireland, Ireland particularly.

    There were differences in the building of structures - homes, roads and bridges - music, language, education, and most certainly the cuisine. The South had a much stronger, and lasting, Celtic influence than the North in all these things.

    Of course it's interesting that while the Scotch-Irish themselves were much less Celtic than the Highlanders or Irish, they still became Scots culturally, even the Angles, Saxon, Danes, and Norwegians who settled there. Eventually even the Normans in Scotland became culturally Scots. There are at least 15 or 16 Highland Clans founded by Normans. A notable Norwegian was Somerled, King of the Hebrides, and grandfather to both Clan Donald and Clan MacDougal.

    Same with the great Lowland families. The Elliots were founded by a Breton, and the Armstrongs by a Dane. I'm sure I could find more, but those two come easily to mind. They were not Gaelic Scots, but they were Scottish all the same.
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  63. Anonymous[407] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The Ray Rice incident is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Rice was ruined after he punched his wife out:, thrown out of the NFL
     
    He was, and is, a violent and criminal negro. He decked a woman half his size. Cowards' work, Mikey. COWARD. You are defending a COWARD. Real men don't hit women except for rare -- RARE -- cases of actual self-preservation. Your defense of cowardice and wife-beating, once again, shows you for what you are: a misogynist POS.

    Real men don’t hit women except for rare — RARE — cases of actual self-preservation.

    White knight get off your victorian horse, it’s rachitic.

    That’s not how humans work and you are no position to decide who a “Real Man” is (whatever THAT is, I guess it depends on the situation and the speaker).

    Frederik Pohl had it right, in “Gateway” 1977:

    “Friend!” I barked. The last thing Metchnikov was to anyone was a friend. Just thinking about Klara with him made my groin crawl. I didn’t like the sensation, because I couldn’t identify it. It wasn’t just anger, wasn’t even just jealousy. There was a component that remained obstinately opaque. I said, knowing it was illogical, hearing myself seem almost to whine, “I introduced you to him!”

    “That doesn’t give you ownership! All right,” Kiara snarled, “maybe I went to bed with him a few times. It doesn’t change how I feel about you.”

    “It changes how I feel about you, Klara.”

    She stared incredulously. “You have the nerve to say that? Coming here, smelling of sex with some cheap floozy?”

    That one caught me off guard. “There was nothing cheap about it! I was comforting someone in pain.”

    She laughed. The sound was unpleasant; anger is unbecoming. “Louise Forehand? She hustled her way up here, did you know that?”

    The little girl was holding the ball and staring at us now. I could see we were frightening her. I said, trying to tighten my voice to keep the anger from spilling out, “Klara, I’m not going to let you make a fool out of me.”

    “Ah,” she said in inarticulate disgust, and turned around to go. I reached out to touch her, and she sobbed and hit me, as hard as she could. The blow caught me on the shoulder.

    That was a mistake.

    That’s always a mistake. It isn’t a matter of what’s rational or justified, it is a matter of signals. It was the wrong signal to give me. The reason wolves don’t kill each other off is that the smaller and weaker wolf always surrenders. It rolls over, bares its throat and puts its paws in the air to signal that it is beaten. When that happens the winner is physically unable to attack anymore. If it were not that way, there wouldn’t be any wolves left. For the same reason men don’t usually kill women, or not by beating them to death. They can’t. However much he wants to hit her, his internal machinery vetoes it. But if the woman makes the mistake of giving him a different signal by hitting him first- I punched her four or five times, as hard as I could, on the breast, in the face, in the belly. She fell to the ground, sobbing. I knelt beside her, lifted her up with one hand and, in absolutely cold blood, slapped her twice more. It was all happening as if choreographed by God, absolutely inevitably; and at the same I could feel that I was breathing as hard as though I’d climbed a mountain on a dead run. The blood was thundering in my ears. Everything I saw was hazed with red.

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    White knight get off your victorian horse, it’s rachitic.
     
    Oh, fuck off. Don't gimme that new-breed macho tough-guy bullshit. It just makes you more of an obtuse jackass.

    Real men do not hit women if not under imminent threat of great bodily harm. Now, I am aware that inner-city turds like to knock girls around. Makes their ballsacks swell up. Feels goooooood .... makes 'em feel all black-boy homey, ya know?

    You worthless piece of shit.

    Fred Pohl was a fiction writer. F - I - C - T - I - O - N. No behavior is justified by being promoted by a writer of fiction.
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  64. Anonymous[513] • Disclaimer says:
    @RebelWriter
    The written sentence was, "Some people referred to the Revolution as a Scotch-Irish rebellion," which some did. I didn't "characterize the Revolution as Scots-Irish," nor even IMPLY it was solely Scotch-Irish.

    A Hessian officer said, "Call this war by whatever name you may, only call it not an American rebellion; it is nothing more or less than a Scotch Irish Presbyterian rebellion."(Leyburn)

    A British major general, Joseph Galloway, testified to the House of Commons that "half the rebel Continental Army were from Ireland". (Bagenal)

    Some estimates put the portion of the Americans who supported the Revolution at a low of 30%. Another 30% supported the crown, and the rest wanted to be left out of it. Report after report indicates the Scotch-Irish were nearly unanimous in supporting the Revolution, or at least the majority of them did. I haven't read the same account about any other ethnic group of Americans, be they Dutch, French, German, or English. The Scotch-Irish made up somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of patriot forces, while they were only around 1/5 of the population.

    At the Battle of Kings Mountain there only two men on the field who weren't born in America; the leaders of either side, Brown and Ferguson, who were both Scots. The "British" infantry were mostly from NY and NJ, and were primarily of English origin, while the Americans were nearly all Scotch-Irish.

    "Scots-Irish" is a 20th Century term employed by people who want to genuflect about using "proper English," or something. "Scotch is whiskey," blah, blah, bah.

    They were first called "Scotch-Irish," in America, though everybody else in the world called them Ulstermen, or Ulster Scots, and still do. James Leyburn, who wrote the definitive history of these people, The Scotch-Irish, a Social History, has gone into this argument in great detail, Appendix I of his book, and you'll notice the name he chose for his book. Some examples from it:

    Queen Elizabeth I called them Scotch-Irish in 1573, in a letter concerning Sorley Boy MacDonnel.

    The first written mention of them in America was in 1695, when Sir Thomas Laurence, Secretary of Maryland, wrote that "In the two counties of Dorchester and Somerset, where the Scotch-Irish are numerous, they clothe themselves by their linen and woolen manufactures."

    1723, Rev. George Ross, Rector of Immanuel Church in New Castle, Delaware, wrote in reference to their anti-Church of England stance that, "They call themselves Scotch-Irish ... and the bitterest railers against the church that ever trod upon American ground."

    There are many more. That they called themselves Scotch-Irish, and that term has the longest historical existence, is good enough for me. Your personal opinion of it is of no concern.

    That a very large part of the Ulsterman were from the Borders is not the least bit controversial. King James himself mentioned it in written communications. George MacDonald Frazier wrote about it in his book, The Steel Bonnets, and George Hacket Fischer, author of Albion's Seed, said he prefered to refer to them as borderers. The Scots who went to Ireland were almost entirely from the Lowlands, where, you may note, the border with England is located.

    These weren't Gaelic Scots, for the most part, and not all who went to Ireland were Scots. A great many English went as well. Some Londoners, but quite a few from the borders in Northern England. Either side of the border, they were ethnically almost identical. I call them Celtic-Anglo-Saxon-Danes. I'm probably alone in calling them that, but that's what they were. Broad Scots, the language of Lowland Scotland, is but a slightly different form of English. Bernicia, later called North Umbria, was under Anglo-Saxon dominion for centuries before it fell to the Danes, and later back to the Anglo-Saxons, then eventually divided between Scotland and England.

    Again, you may argue with history all you please. What your particular ancestors did, and where they were from, has no impact, except as possible exceptions to the rule. You just want to fight with someone on the internet about some particular subject you're personally sore about it. Have at. I don't care.

    You just want to fight with someone on the internet about some particular subject you’re personally sore about it. Have at. I don’t care.

    Great quoting there, Johnny. For the likes of Unz, positively first rate. We lubs us some good color commentators.

    The English said, and say, “Scotch-Irish”. The Scots-Irish say it correctly. Your option as an American is duly noted.

    I reiterate: My Scots-Irish ancestors came to Staunton, VA in 1730, and provided sons and grandsons to the Revolution. Staunton was called the Scots-Irish “Enclave” for a 100 years. How do I know that? Family records, not contemporary “historical account”.

    I sense you are an admirer of various histories. I am not. Whether revealed, recalled, or merely recorded, history, as presented to the public by those calling themselves “historians”, is bunk.

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  65. Mr. Grey says:

    Great review of Hillbilly Elegy. I enjoy reading Goad every week in Taki mag. I tried reading J.D. Vance’s book but couldn’t get through it (not even the audio version). It didn’t read true. He critiques his dysfunctional family and the larger “hillbilly” culture (a.k.a. deplorables) but Vance never admits to any wrongdoing himself. As a kid he’s an overweight loner but according to the book he never gets his ass beat, or bullies someone weaker than himself. He always stands up and does the right thing in bad situations and never did anything truly shameful that he regrets. Everybody has done something in their life that they regret, and that’s how you grow as a human being. I remember a moment of weakness in middle school when I punched a weird kid that nobody liked. I felt awful about it later, I still feel bad when I remember it now, after all the times I got into fights and gotten punched have been forgotten. The book reminds me of “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” another jejune book that pretends to be autobiographical so the argument it is making has the added weight of being ‘true’.

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  66. iffen says:
    @CornCod1
    I am a New Jersey native that has lived in rural Arkansas for almost 15 years. There are two types of people here, the decadent, drug addled hillbilly types and the law abiding, church-going salt of the earth folks. Life for nearly everyone here is tough and difficult. I have two masters degrees and I have to work three jobs just to maintain a working class level of existence. The people who are the drug addled hillbillies became decadent because the struggle to live in this low-wage eco-system just wore them out and they gave up. The decent folks remain that way because they keep up the daily fight and never give up. Most of the decadent poor don't vote, it's the decent folks that voted for Trump. Economic improvement with higher wages would make life better here for everyone.

    Economic improvement with higher wages would make life better here for everyone.

    A decent well-paying job is the cosmic duct tape for society’s ills.

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    Well, not exactly, but the local culture and it's Christianity, even if it's of the snake handling kind, has enough strength to take care of the non-economic stuff.
    , @Miro23


    Economic improvement with higher wages would make life better here for everyone.
     
    A decent well-paying job is the cosmic duct tape for society’s ills.
     
    And stable relationships (well-paying jobs help).

    The problem is, that the whole planet also wants decent well-paying jobs. In a globalized open-frontiers system there are ALWAYS, for example, Asians and Indians who will do the job (maybe better) for much lower wages.

    A country can shut out some competition, and favor nationals but even here, if they are an advanced country (obligatorily integrated into the world economy) they have to make very serious investments in quality education to reach the highest level (e.g. Switzerland, Finland or Japan) to permit their decent well-paying jobs.

    IMO, in this environment, the only Socialism that works is one that gives opportunities to everyone and demands the maximum effort - not the old welfare - free stuff "rights" variety. And it goes without saying that society has to be cohesive and focused.

    From this POV the United States is in free fall.

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  67. @Anonymous

    The Ray Rice incident is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Rice was ruined after he punched his wife out:, thrown out of the NFL
     
    He was, and is, a violent and criminal negro. He decked a woman half his size. Cowards' work, Mikey. COWARD. You are defending a COWARD. Real men don't hit women except for rare -- RARE -- cases of actual self-preservation. Your defense of cowardice and wife-beating, once again, shows you for what you are: a misogynist POS.

    Clearly you are an unhinged fool incapable of controlling your emotions. Case in point. You mistake my observations of an incident as a defense of it. That would be false.

    The Rice incident is an example of a broader issue, that’s all. That you cannot make the distinction is your problem. Now, back to polishing your white suit of armor, sir knight.

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    Clearly you are an unhinged fool incapable of controlling your emotions. Case in point. You mistake my observations of an incident as a defense of it. That would be false.
     
    LOL. Yeah, I sensed that my faith and belief in the value of social norms might puzzle you a bit.
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  68. Anonymous[513] • Disclaimer says:
    @rebelwriter
    I hate to be at all agreeable with you in any way whatsoever, but I've lived in Virginia twice, and the first time was in Highland County. We drove 45 minutes over 3 mountains on the weekends to Staunton, to eat out and to shop for groceries. I later worked in Waynesboro 2 days a week, and generally stayed in and ate in Staunton. It's gorgeous country, and I really enjoyed my time there. I even used to like the Statler Brothers.

    The people of Highland County were overwhelmingly of German descent.

    We drove 45 minutes over 3 mountains on the weekends to Staunton, to eat out and to shop for groceries. I later worked in Waynesboro 2 days a week, and generally stayed in and ate in Staunton. It’s gorgeous country, and I really enjoyed my time there.

    I know some of the history, primarily from county records dealing with my ancestors, most of whom went to Kentucky when they didn’t inherit — first-born being the rule among Scots-Irish. My last wife liked to go to Staunton for shopping weekends and yet another expensive restaurant. That’s my father’s family — Union soldiers from Indiana, and Confederate soldiers from Kentucky and Virginia. Plus a whole bunch of former slaves with my surname. (Always check before chiming “Hey! That’s my name, too!”) ;-)

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  69. @Colin Wright
    '...My wife has been a social worker for 25 years in the Chicago area. Here’s a fun fact that I got from her, after one of her endless mandatory state trainings: FIFTY % of domestic violence is initiated by the female...'

    Huh. Still, Chicago, you say?

    Are we just talking about a black cultural pattern? There are a lot of blacks in Chicago, I assume their rates of domestic violence are much higher than anyone else's, and in my experience, black girls are far more ready to engage in physical violence than white girls are.

    So maybe your statistic applies to everyone -- or maybe it doesn't.

    Chicago area, I said. Her AoO is actually most of North Eastern and Central Eastern Illinois. She deals specifically with children separated from their parents, but as I said, the state mandated class she attended dealt specifically with DV.

    But you just can’t wait to jump to some conclusion, can you?

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    What your wife sees is nothing compared to black violence in Chicago.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    As clarification - the statistics she was told about were likely a statewide number, seeing as it was a state mandated class.
    , @Colin Wright
    '...But you just can’t wait to jump to some conclusion, can you?

    Look at my post. There are five sentences. The first two are questions. The third begins with 'I assume,' the second with 'in my experience,' and the last with 'maybe.'

    I'd say I didn't jump to any conclusions at all. On the contrary, it was you who couldn't wait to play PC enforcer.
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  70. prusmc says: • Website
    @Colin Wright
    '...But many others formed solid middle class families, bought toys like snowmobiles and motorcycles, fishing boats and cabins ‘up north,’ etc. The really crafty ones figured out how to do things like steal expensive tools, car parts (even entire cars), sell drugs on the shop floor, and otherwise make a killing...'

    There's also just having a job -- of the community having some occupation that the bulk of people are engaged in, that supports the shopkeepers and plumbers and elderly widows more or less genteely getting everyone to take care of them.

    Here I'm thinking of rural Hawaii -- which sociologically is a bit of a mess, and kind of lost. The sugar industry went away, you see. There's tourism, of course, and catering to all the wealthy white retirees, but fundamentally, there's nothing to do.

    The results aren't pretty. Ditto -- on a less dramatic scale -- for the area of Southern Oregon I live in now. The timber industry used to employ everyone. It still employs a lot of people, but nothing like what it used to (for one thing, now we ship an awful lot of unfinished logs overseas rather than making them into 2X4's here). Partially, the results are these clusters of drug-addled trailer trash, and drifting packs of vagrants. Again, it's not pretty.

    The Japanese are infamous for subsidizing all kinds of obvious economic inefficiency. Small shops and businesses abound -- sometimes almost absurdly economically unviable. One sees tiny, tiny little plots of land -- like the sliver where two roadways join -- being cultivated.

    Now, on a strictly economic analysis, this may be inefficient, but the obvious benefit is that everyone has something to do, and presumably is convinced that they're making a contribution, even if Japan really could just import their pathetic hundred-sack harvest of rice from Viet Nam or whatever at much less cost.

    Obviously the pattern varies, but off-shoring seems to have ripped the heart out of so many communities. It's an indictment of our ruling class that we allowed this to happen. After all, I can recall Pat Buchanan ranting about what was going on thirty years ago. It's not like it was a secret.

    Originally from upstate NY near Canada. Even 60 years ago could not understand beautiful northern hardwoods logs being sent abroad instead of breaking down the bulk in local sawmills. There was plenty of cheap labor for the work and the value-added clearly been considerable. Half-century later it still continues and the local labor is still available, though not as cheap due to the presence of FSA amenities.

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  71. @Colin Wright
    Gotta couple of comments here that don't actually go with each other, but what the hell...

    '...The women who comment here make me laugh. Most of you posture like you’re not feminists and in tune with the real history of events, but bring up “muh duhmestik vilense”, and you all go full Rosie O’Donnell and don your pink pussy hats...'

    So what do you want? Public pleas for men to righteously chastise them? It's going to be a while before that's the official story.

    '...Nobody wants to talk about the fact that domestic abuse against men goes vastly under reported because of the social humiliation that is attached to being beaten up by your wife...'

    I wonder if the woman initiates the violence simply because the man won't? That is to say, violence is obviously called for -- you won't hit me? Okay, I'll hit you.

    Here I'm reminded of one time when I was walking my dog. We came around a corner, and there was this cat. Ralph lunges for the cat, and I yank back on the leash, forcing Ralph to rear back. The cat's like 'well, if you're not going to chase me, I'll go for you' and lunges at Ralph.

    I forget how that one played out, but the point is that managing to bar men from initiating physical violence (which actually isn't a completely bad idea) may in at least some cases simply lead to the woman initiating it.

    Some of these issues have no perfect solution. Now is not good, but we don't necessarily want to go back to the good old days where some percentage of men routinely beat the crap out of their wives in front of the kids on a weekly basis.

    “So what do you want?”

    I thought it was obvious: If you’re going to dig up someone’s past, tell the entire story, not spin it to fit the prevailing narrative. In other words, tell the whole truth, mmkay?

    As for the rest of your comment, it is mostly nonsense.

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  72. Anonymous[513] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Real men don’t hit women except for rare — RARE — cases of actual self-preservation.
     
    White knight get off your victorian horse, it's rachitic.

    That's not how humans work and you are no position to decide who a "Real Man" is (whatever THAT is, I guess it depends on the situation and the speaker).

    Frederik Pohl had it right, in "Gateway" 1977:


    “Friend!” I barked. The last thing Metchnikov was to anyone was a friend. Just thinking about Klara with him made my groin crawl. I didn’t like the sensation, because I couldn’t identify it. It wasn’t just anger, wasn’t even just jealousy. There was a component that remained obstinately opaque. I said, knowing it was illogical, hearing myself seem almost to whine, “I introduced you to him!”

    “That doesn’t give you ownership! All right,” Kiara snarled, “maybe I went to bed with him a few times. It doesn’t change how I feel about you.”

    “It changes how I feel about you, Klara.”

    She stared incredulously. “You have the nerve to say that? Coming here, smelling of sex with some cheap floozy?”

    That one caught me off guard. “There was nothing cheap about it! I was comforting someone in pain.”

    She laughed. The sound was unpleasant; anger is unbecoming. “Louise Forehand? She hustled her way up here, did you know that?”

    The little girl was holding the ball and staring at us now. I could see we were frightening her. I said, trying to tighten my voice to keep the anger from spilling out, “Klara, I’m not going to let you make a fool out of me.”

    “Ah,” she said in inarticulate disgust, and turned around to go. I reached out to touch her, and she sobbed and hit me, as hard as she could. The blow caught me on the shoulder.

    That was a mistake.

    That’s always a mistake. It isn’t a matter of what’s rational or justified, it is a matter of signals. It was the wrong signal to give me. The reason wolves don’t kill each other off is that the smaller and weaker wolf always surrenders. It rolls over, bares its throat and puts its paws in the air to signal that it is beaten. When that happens the winner is physically unable to attack anymore. If it were not that way, there wouldn’t be any wolves left. For the same reason men don’t usually kill women, or not by beating them to death. They can’t. However much he wants to hit her, his internal machinery vetoes it. But if the woman makes the mistake of giving him a different signal by hitting him first- I punched her four or five times, as hard as I could, on the breast, in the face, in the belly. She fell to the ground, sobbing. I knelt beside her, lifted her up with one hand and, in absolutely cold blood, slapped her twice more. It was all happening as if choreographed by God, absolutely inevitably; and at the same I could feel that I was breathing as hard as though I’d climbed a mountain on a dead run. The blood was thundering in my ears. Everything I saw was hazed with red.

     

    White knight get off your victorian horse, it’s rachitic.

    Oh, fuck off. Don’t gimme that new-breed macho tough-guy bullshit. It just makes you more of an obtuse jackass.

    Real men do not hit women if not under imminent threat of great bodily harm. Now, I am aware that inner-city turds like to knock girls around. Makes their ballsacks swell up. Feels goooooood …. makes ‘em feel all black-boy homey, ya know?

    You worthless piece of shit.

    Fred Pohl was a fiction writer. F – I – C – T – I – O – N. No behavior is justified by being promoted by a writer of fiction.

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    Women must be taught not to strike men. Any woman who hits a man, except in self-defense, should be smashed into next week. To heck with these feminist creeps.
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  73. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that’s worse."

    Typical female spin, lacking the full story.

    The physical abuse between Goad and his former wife and mistress was mutual, meaning they assaulted each other. Goad's mistress threatened to kill him and was served with a restraining order, and she also did time for.... wait for it... assault.

    Goad is no saint, but at least he actually went to prison and did time for his crimes. Punishment served, and no repeat behavior since.

    The women who comment here make me laugh. Most of you posture like you're not feminists and in tune with the real history of events, but bring up "muh duhmestik vilense", and you all go full Rosie O'Donnell and don your pink pussy hats.

    My wife has been a social worker for 25 years in the Chicago area. Here's a fun fact that I got from her, after one of her endless mandatory state trainings: FIFTY % of domestic violence is initiated by the female. Note the word "initiate". I did not say "charged with" or "arrested for". So whatever stats you intend to counter with from some domestic abuse (feminist) website are skewed based on the following:

    The Ray Rice incident is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Rice was ruined after he punched his wife out:, thrown out of the NFL and arrested on DA charges (charges dropped because even if his fiance wanted to continue to press charges, no sane DA would go to court because Rice would merely plea self defense). Go back and watch the video. His wife initiates the violence by shoving him before he punches her. Nobody wants to talk about that though. Nobody wants to talk about the fact that domestic abuse against men goes vastly under reported because of the social humiliation that is attached to being beaten up by your wife. Nobody wants to talk about the fact that the justice system is biased towards females in DA cases, and violence initiated by females is disregarded when men retaliate. Men are charged and females are excused in most cases.

    Never mind the Time article, refer to the links within it:

    http://time.com/2921491/hope-solo-women-violence/

    “The physical abuse between Goad and his former wife and mistress was mutual…” WOW!!! It wouldn’t bother me if I had not read about it. But, as usual, they couldn’t keep it in their house. It spilled out into the open, and the police, courts, etc., had to get involved. Yes, he did his time, but this proves he does not know how to deal with women. If a man gets shoved by a woman, all he has to do is put her in a headlock and that will take care of the problem.

    I know about female on male violence. In fact, it’s at about 60%. Again, no one I know has ever been involved in any kind of male/female, whatever kind of violence. However, when it happens, things must be judged fairly. Right now there is a hullabaloo because Betsy DeVos wants to change the way rape cases are handled on colleges. I remember the nonsense Obummer and his administration imposed on colleges regarding rape. Big picture, if someone claims to have been raped, the first thing to do is call the police and get an arrest warrant. Then evidence will be gathered. What Obummer did was unconstitutional and yet, as usual, no cucks ever made this argument.

    I saw something about Ray Rice, but I don’t care because he’s black. I am only for Western people, so whatever blacks/Asians do among themselves is their business. This is why it is important for blacks to have their own state. You’re bringing up an example that does not matter in this case. Goad is a Caucasian who was a liberal libertine, had a black girlfriend, a Jewish wife and who knows what else. I know he had a difficult upbringing, but so have many people and they did not do what he did. He and Vance are flip-sides of the same coin.

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    " Yes, he did his time, but this proves he does not know how to deal with women. "

    He has had girlfriends since and no repeat offenses (that I know of). Perhaps those women were to blame as well, or maybe they didn't know how to deal with men.


    " about Ray Rice, but I don’t care because he’s black."

    That's fine - I don't care about him either. But the video of his incident illustrates perfectly the point I made about initiated violence and the subsequent chain of events.


    " I know he had a difficult upbringing, but so have many people and they did not do what he did. He and Vance are flip-sides of the same coin."

    I am not making excuses for Goad. I am pointing out that there was more to the story than just him beating up his girlfriend. Clearly their relationship was toxic and they were both accountable for the violence.
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  74. Anonymous[513] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    Clearly you are an unhinged fool incapable of controlling your emotions. Case in point. You mistake my observations of an incident as a defense of it. That would be false.

    The Rice incident is an example of a broader issue, that's all. That you cannot make the distinction is your problem. Now, back to polishing your white suit of armor, sir knight.

    Clearly you are an unhinged fool incapable of controlling your emotions. Case in point. You mistake my observations of an incident as a defense of it. That would be false.

    LOL. Yeah, I sensed that my faith and belief in the value of social norms might puzzle you a bit.

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    Nobody's puzzled on this end, knighty. But nice try covering your retreat.

    "... my faith and belief in the value of social norms ..."

    Current social norms invite to you masturbate in an elementary school girl's restroom. I suggest you reevaluate your faith and learn how to analyze a topic free of emotion.
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  75. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Chicago area, I said. Her AoO is actually most of North Eastern and Central Eastern Illinois. She deals specifically with children separated from their parents, but as I said, the state mandated class she attended dealt specifically with DV.

    But you just can't wait to jump to some conclusion, can you?

    What your wife sees is nothing compared to black violence in Chicago.

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    LOL - Really?

    My wife gets to screen newborns exposed to heroin and alcohol in the womb, have had half the bones in their body broken, burned with cigarette butts, boiling water, or hot frying pans. She gets to screen 5 year olds who have been so chronically neglected that they cannot speak coherent English, are not potty trained and have cavities in every single tooth. She gets to screen 8 year olds who have been so habitually sexually abused that they have permanent rectal and vaginal damage. She gets to go to Juvie and interview 12 year olds who are so violent that she is separated from them by plexiglass.

    And since we moved to our current home from Chicago; Bridgeport - 31st and Halsted, with Bronzeville 1 mile to the east and Englewood 3 miles to the south. With the Dearborn Homes and the Robert Taylor homes both within a mile of our apartment. With the Green St. projects 2 blocks away. Please, pretty please, bring me up to speed on the violence in Chicago. Tell me about riding the redline from 35th street to the loop. Tell me about taking the Orange line from Archer and Halsted to Midway. Tell me about working in Harvey, IL. Oh please please please, tell us what we don't know!! LOL

    Anyway, what was your point? That you wish to convey that you have absolutely no idea of what you speak?

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  76. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Chicago area, I said. Her AoO is actually most of North Eastern and Central Eastern Illinois. She deals specifically with children separated from their parents, but as I said, the state mandated class she attended dealt specifically with DV.

    But you just can't wait to jump to some conclusion, can you?

    As clarification – the statistics she was told about were likely a statewide number, seeing as it was a state mandated class.

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  77. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @attilathehen
    Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that's worse. He had a black girlfriend. Fortunately, there was no issue. Goad has written he was a liberal and he used to live in California. He did stupid stuff with some Jewish ex-wife.

    I know about Goad's hard upbringing, but his adult years were degenerate and he now acts like some kind of conservative, nationalist. He and Vance are flip-sides of the same coin. Goad may now care about middle America but he wasted a lot of time to figure it out. Vance is a degenerate.

    Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that’s worse. He had a black girlfriend. Fortunately, there was no issue. Goad has written he was a liberal and he used to live in California. He did stupid stuff with some Jewish ex-wife.

    Thanks for the biographical key points. Um, check please. He makes a disparaging reference to Vance’s East Indian wife, but Goad has a black girlfriend? Seriously?? Vance and his congnitive elite wife are like Boston Brahmin compared to Goad.

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    I started reading the articles on Takimag about 7 or 8 years ago. I knew of Mr. Taki. I had read some articles he had written for the Spectator and he was infamous for being an anti-Semite. When I first started reading Goad, he really didn't deal with race/sex identity issues. One good article he wrote was about the late atheist Stephen Hawking punching up at God. I do recall an article where he wrote about living in California, being a liberal and that no one could call him a racist because he had had a black girlfriend. Someone wrote about his ex-Jewish wife. I pegged him for a degenerate. Now his articles have become very race realist. I find this odd given his history. I suppose he changed and regrets what he did in the past. The good thing is he didn't have offspring from the black/Jewish women in his life. However, you are correct about his disparaging comment about Vance's East Indian wife and offspring. He could have been in a worse position if he had black offspring. Vance's wife is intelligent and if one had to choose between an East Indian or a black, the East Indian would be the better choice. He has written about his difficult life, but many people have had much more difficult lives. He is right that Trump is changing the course of the USA and I am happy for this. But big picture, what has always bothered me is why didn't anyone speak up sooner? I knew what was going with globalism more than 10 years ago and I tried to tell people about this. They thought I was nuts, but I have been proven correct. What is more important is to move forward with rescuing the West now.

    I have a feeling something is going on at Takimag. I still read the articles and have noticed in the past couple of weeks that the articles are now down to one page. I commented about Mr. Taki in another article and pointed out that I figured out that Mr. Taki is just another cuck. He writes mostly about 2 things: p**sy and negroid Arabs. He is an insane anti-Semite. His constant commenting on women's looks had been getting on my nerves. I finally saw a picture of his daughter. She looks like a younger, transvestite version of Taki pere. She got married a couple of years ago when she was 40. It was her first marriage. She married an Austrian "count" and Taki brags about this. My gut feeling is that they finally managed to marry her off to some Austrian "count" with no account and he got a lot of Taki's shekels for the marriage. Taki will complain about Greece's situation, but does nothing to help. With all his shekels he could be a Greek Trump. This is why people like Goad, Taki, Derbyshire have to be exposed. All their scribblings amount to nothing.
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  78. @Anonymous

    Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that’s worse.
     
    I am sure that Goad has his demons, as do we all (except you). I wish to point out that the ad hominem is the lowest, and most immoral form of argument, but it is your most consistent form, besides basic guttersniping.

    How can it be ad hominem if I am stating facts? He wrote about his black girlfriend, the Jewish wife, his liberal past. There is a public record about him doing time. Once again, another cuck who cannot deal with facts, truth, reality.

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  79. Russ says:
    @Anonymous

    I read where Taki is offering a subscription, no advertising version, it says there is a comment section. No idea if it is the robust commentary of the old Taki, the same insipid letters to editor once a week as now or something which allows Zuckerberg et al to separate the wheat from the chaff.
     
    The latter.

    Pay for a subscription, and they know who you are. Since free speech in the USA is actively suppressed/denied by the proto-fascists constituting the US "government", your comments will be an invitation to a midnight FBI raid, if not real soon, then just "soon".

    Pay for a [Takimag] subscription, and they know who you are. Since free speech in the USA is actively suppressed/denied by the proto-fascists constituting the US “government”, your comments will be an invitation to a midnight FBI raid, if not real soon, then just “soon”.

    It does seem as though they’ve come to a late realization that blowing up the Disqus-based comments was an error. Thus, the April Fools’ Day joke turned out to be on them. I suppose that were I to subscribe, I wouldn’t miss the endless clickbait/ad pix of wrinkled skin and the endless like. Wouldn’t be commenting much, either.

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  80. @attilathehen
    "The physical abuse between Goad and his former wife and mistress was mutual..." WOW!!! It wouldn't bother me if I had not read about it. But, as usual, they couldn't keep it in their house. It spilled out into the open, and the police, courts, etc., had to get involved. Yes, he did his time, but this proves he does not know how to deal with women. If a man gets shoved by a woman, all he has to do is put her in a headlock and that will take care of the problem.

    I know about female on male violence. In fact, it's at about 60%. Again, no one I know has ever been involved in any kind of male/female, whatever kind of violence. However, when it happens, things must be judged fairly. Right now there is a hullabaloo because Betsy DeVos wants to change the way rape cases are handled on colleges. I remember the nonsense Obummer and his administration imposed on colleges regarding rape. Big picture, if someone claims to have been raped, the first thing to do is call the police and get an arrest warrant. Then evidence will be gathered. What Obummer did was unconstitutional and yet, as usual, no cucks ever made this argument.

    I saw something about Ray Rice, but I don't care because he's black. I am only for Western people, so whatever blacks/Asians do among themselves is their business. This is why it is important for blacks to have their own state. You're bringing up an example that does not matter in this case. Goad is a Caucasian who was a liberal libertine, had a black girlfriend, a Jewish wife and who knows what else. I know he had a difficult upbringing, but so have many people and they did not do what he did. He and Vance are flip-sides of the same coin.

    ” Yes, he did his time, but this proves he does not know how to deal with women. ”

    He has had girlfriends since and no repeat offenses (that I know of). Perhaps those women were to blame as well, or maybe they didn’t know how to deal with men.

    ” about Ray Rice, but I don’t care because he’s black.”

    That’s fine – I don’t care about him either. But the video of his incident illustrates perfectly the point I made about initiated violence and the subsequent chain of events.

    ” I know he had a difficult upbringing, but so have many people and they did not do what he did. He and Vance are flip-sides of the same coin.”

    I am not making excuses for Goad. I am pointing out that there was more to the story than just him beating up his girlfriend. Clearly their relationship was toxic and they were both accountable for the violence.

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  81. @Colin Wright
    '...Southern culture was, and is, far more Celtic than Northern culture is...'

    Given the Irish presence in the Northeast, that remark seems a bit strange.

    Yeah, I agree. The Irish of the North are descendants of Famine Irish. They are more truly Celtic than the earlier Scotch-Irish. The difference lies, I think, in that New England culture was firmly in place long before they got there, whereas in the South the Scotch-Irish had a bigger hand in forming that culture.

    Boston has a very Irish area, and lots of Irish themed bars, and even large Irish festivals, yet the city is, overall, nothing like them; it’s English. Southern English, as in Kentish, to be more precise. Though the famine Irish came in greater numbers than the Scotch-Irish, they went mostly to large towns which had existed for over a century. They added to the culture of the area, but no more so than the Germans and Italians.

    I wrote of one of the differences on another site today, as concerning farms. In the North (everywhere in the North), they followed English traditions. In the South, particularly by the turn of the 19th Century, in large parts of the South (not all of it), they followed mostly Celtic traditions. The most notable of these was in how each kept livestock. In the North, they penned up or fenced in livestock. In the South they ranged them. What later became branding in the Old West started as tattooing and ear clipping in Ireland and Scotland, and later the American South. In the South, one fenced in row crops, and anything else you didn’t want the livestock to get into.

    Dueling is another example. The French, especially the Corsicans, were much quicker to duel than were the English, and the Irish put them both to shame, or were the shame, depending on your viewpoint.

    I’m not saying there weren’t duels in the North, I’m saying there were a LOT more of them in the South. The Code Duello, or dueling code of conduct, used in the continental era was written by a former governor of South Carolina. There was a time when one couldn’t get elected if you hadn’t fought at least one duel. Among the elite of planter society, a young man held scarce hope for a good bride if he hadn’t fought in a duel. I’m not bragging about this, I’m just writing what I know. The antebellum South was a place where a wrong word could get you real dead real quick. I have examples.

    John William De Forest was a Union Officer in the Reconstruction, stationed in Greenville, SC, and wrote a book with that as the title. There were two notable stories he related, both of which he read in the papers during his stay. (As an aside, my father once worked in the same office building where De Forest worked)

    In one was the judgement of a case in Columbia. One man had murdered another in broad daylight in downtown Columbia in front of everybody. This man testified that the decedent had slandered him by spreading rumors that his wife was having an affair. The judge ruled it was self-defense, and remarked, “The lie was the first blow.”

    De Forest was understandably confused by this, but finally figured it out. At that time in that place, even if the rumor were true – maybe especially if it were true – to say it out loud is equal to walking up to a man and slapping his face with a pair of gloves. By the official Code Duello, no such formality was required. All that was required was an insult. The rumor was the insult. It’s true that no formal request for a duel was made, which is a problem that I have with it. I suppose if the judge had any problems with it, he kept the matter to himself. I don’t really blame him.

    Another story is that of a visiting Northerner shot dead on an avenue in Greenville. This was several blocks over from De Forest’s Coffee St. Office. Apparently the man got into a political discussion with a native. It turned heated. The Northerner got up close to the native, and gesticulated wildly, with passion even.

    The Greenville man took one step back, pulled a pistol from this vest, and shot the Northerner dead. Once again, it was ruled self-defense. It was mentioned that the people who witnessed it were shocked when it was discovered he was unarmed, and felt bad for him, because he had to be mentall unstable, or insane even. After all, no sane person would act that way unarmed.

    Again, I’m not bragging about the violence, I’m merely sharing what I’ve read and watched. The few experts on Southern dueling I’ve read and watched attribute this behavior back to Scotland and Ireland, Ireland particularly.

    There were differences in the building of structures – homes, roads and bridges – music, language, education, and most certainly the cuisine. The South had a much stronger, and lasting, Celtic influence than the North in all these things.

    Of course it’s interesting that while the Scotch-Irish themselves were much less Celtic than the Highlanders or Irish, they still became Scots culturally, even the Angles, Saxon, Danes, and Norwegians who settled there. Eventually even the Normans in Scotland became culturally Scots. There are at least 15 or 16 Highland Clans founded by Normans. A notable Norwegian was Somerled, King of the Hebrides, and grandfather to both Clan Donald and Clan MacDougal.

    Same with the great Lowland families. The Elliots were founded by a Breton, and the Armstrongs by a Dane. I’m sure I could find more, but those two come easily to mind. They were not Gaelic Scots, but they were Scottish all the same.

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  82. @Anonymous

    Clearly you are an unhinged fool incapable of controlling your emotions. Case in point. You mistake my observations of an incident as a defense of it. That would be false.
     
    LOL. Yeah, I sensed that my faith and belief in the value of social norms might puzzle you a bit.

    Nobody’s puzzled on this end, knighty. But nice try covering your retreat.

    “… my faith and belief in the value of social norms …”

    Current social norms invite to you masturbate in an elementary school girl’s restroom. I suggest you reevaluate your faith and learn how to analyze a topic free of emotion.

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    Current social norms invite to you masturbate in an elementary school girl’s restroom.
     
    No, they don't.

    I don't mind a little puffery from your type. I know it's difficult for you NOT to act like an asshole, so I give you some latitude.

    But, elementary school girls' restroom?

    You're a dumbshit.
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  83. densa says:

    Thanks for a great article. I never bothered to read the self-serving slop exonerating the shakers and movers on the East Coast from any responsibility for the downward spiral of the nation.

    All the shouting and handwaving, now Resisting, really does distract from the complete cockup by the ruling powers. Financialization is what has so far kept the economy alive, but it came at a price for those who simply worked for a living. I like to think of it as the difference between making a living and making a killing. Wall Street has made the former difficult while inviting a veritable United Nations to come participate in the latter.

    Part of what the Scotch Irish (among others, notably Germans) brought to this country was a burning desire to live free. Clearly that needs to be extinguished. Another thing they brought, alongside the well-known downsides, was a burning desire to not have a State church tell them what to think. Less obvious, but extinguishing that is also a goal for creating a global economy whose denizens conform in thought and are amoral as well as rootless.

    Random thoughts. Anyway, Jim Goad, I hope to read more of your writing here.

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  84. @attilathehen
    What your wife sees is nothing compared to black violence in Chicago.

    LOL – Really?

    My wife gets to screen newborns exposed to heroin and alcohol in the womb, have had half the bones in their body broken, burned with cigarette butts, boiling water, or hot frying pans. She gets to screen 5 year olds who have been so chronically neglected that they cannot speak coherent English, are not potty trained and have cavities in every single tooth. She gets to screen 8 year olds who have been so habitually sexually abused that they have permanent rectal and vaginal damage. She gets to go to Juvie and interview 12 year olds who are so violent that she is separated from them by plexiglass.

    And since we moved to our current home from Chicago; Bridgeport – 31st and Halsted, with Bronzeville 1 mile to the east and Englewood 3 miles to the south. With the Dearborn Homes and the Robert Taylor homes both within a mile of our apartment. With the Green St. projects 2 blocks away. Please, pretty please, bring me up to speed on the violence in Chicago. Tell me about riding the redline from 35th street to the loop. Tell me about taking the Orange line from Archer and Halsted to Midway. Tell me about working in Harvey, IL. Oh please please please, tell us what we don’t know!! LOL

    Anyway, what was your point? That you wish to convey that you have absolutely no idea of what you speak?

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    Your point is well made. Some women desperately deserve and need a good slap. But some of us have been raised to avoid this at virtually any cost. I once had a nutty Cuban chick girlfriend who was hot but flat out crazy. She did absolutely everything she could to incite me to hit her. I couldn’t count the number of times she hit me. But did I mention she was hot? Anyway, eventually we broke up and she began stalking me and even broke into my house three times. I never once gave her the slap she so obviously craved, but I did get a restraining order and had her prosecuted for stalking.

    I’m an unusually large guy and judging by the damage I’ve done to other guys, I am certain if I slugged a broad she’d drop like a rock. So it’s really about restraint isn’t it? Maybe we should accept spanking as one spanks a naughty child? Enough violence to fully capture the attention, but never enough to do any lasting harm. I’m told a lot of women enjoy being spanked anyway..
    , @attilathehen
    "Chicago area, I said. Her AoO is actually most of North Eastern and Central Eastern Illinois." These are geographic areas and are mostly white.

    Next you state areas specifically in Chicago that are mostly black or have many blacks. Once again you prove what I said. She is thus dealing with mostly black violence.

    Can't she get a better job and stop dealing with blacks?
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  85. Anonymous[338] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    Nobody's puzzled on this end, knighty. But nice try covering your retreat.

    "... my faith and belief in the value of social norms ..."

    Current social norms invite to you masturbate in an elementary school girl's restroom. I suggest you reevaluate your faith and learn how to analyze a topic free of emotion.

    Current social norms invite to you masturbate in an elementary school girl’s restroom.

    No, they don’t.

    I don’t mind a little puffery from your type. I know it’s difficult for you NOT to act like an asshole, so I give you some latitude.

    But, elementary school girls’ restroom?

    You’re a dumbshit.

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    " I know it’s difficult for you NOT to act like an asshole, so I give you some latitude."

    Projection. :)
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  86. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Chicago area, I said. Her AoO is actually most of North Eastern and Central Eastern Illinois. She deals specifically with children separated from their parents, but as I said, the state mandated class she attended dealt specifically with DV.

    But you just can't wait to jump to some conclusion, can you?

    ‘…But you just can’t wait to jump to some conclusion, can you?

    Look at my post. There are five sentences. The first two are questions. The third begins with ‘I assume,’ the second with ‘in my experience,’ and the last with ‘maybe.’

    I’d say I didn’t jump to any conclusions at all. On the contrary, it was you who couldn’t wait to play PC enforcer.

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    You jumped to the conclusions that my wife's experience was exclusively related to the city of Chicago and its black population, as related to a state mandated training, and therefor the 50% statistic was skewed by Chicago's said black population.

    "I’d say I didn’t jump to any conclusions at all. On the contrary, it was you who couldn’t wait to play PC enforcer."

    More nonsense. You're the guy tying yourself in knots trying to dismiss the 50% number by suggesting it is skewed by a high percentage of blacks within the sample, while in the process making a few embarrassing assumptions based on your own desired outcome. Just so you can make the implication that white women don't initiate violence toward their spouses at an equal rate as compared to white males do. That may or may not be the case, as the stat I provided doesn't specify by race, but it doesn't change the fact that you're still white knighting, and that is the only PC enforcing going on within our discussion.
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  87. @attilathehen
    "The physical abuse between Goad and his former wife and mistress was mutual..." WOW!!! It wouldn't bother me if I had not read about it. But, as usual, they couldn't keep it in their house. It spilled out into the open, and the police, courts, etc., had to get involved. Yes, he did his time, but this proves he does not know how to deal with women. If a man gets shoved by a woman, all he has to do is put her in a headlock and that will take care of the problem.

    I know about female on male violence. In fact, it's at about 60%. Again, no one I know has ever been involved in any kind of male/female, whatever kind of violence. However, when it happens, things must be judged fairly. Right now there is a hullabaloo because Betsy DeVos wants to change the way rape cases are handled on colleges. I remember the nonsense Obummer and his administration imposed on colleges regarding rape. Big picture, if someone claims to have been raped, the first thing to do is call the police and get an arrest warrant. Then evidence will be gathered. What Obummer did was unconstitutional and yet, as usual, no cucks ever made this argument.

    I saw something about Ray Rice, but I don't care because he's black. I am only for Western people, so whatever blacks/Asians do among themselves is their business. This is why it is important for blacks to have their own state. You're bringing up an example that does not matter in this case. Goad is a Caucasian who was a liberal libertine, had a black girlfriend, a Jewish wife and who knows what else. I know he had a difficult upbringing, but so have many people and they did not do what he did. He and Vance are flip-sides of the same coin.

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    Easy shot. I'd like to ask Connery what he thinks of gay marriage, Islam, IQ. Then we could see what kind of a "man" he is.
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  88. @MikeatMikedotMike
    LOL - Really?

    My wife gets to screen newborns exposed to heroin and alcohol in the womb, have had half the bones in their body broken, burned with cigarette butts, boiling water, or hot frying pans. She gets to screen 5 year olds who have been so chronically neglected that they cannot speak coherent English, are not potty trained and have cavities in every single tooth. She gets to screen 8 year olds who have been so habitually sexually abused that they have permanent rectal and vaginal damage. She gets to go to Juvie and interview 12 year olds who are so violent that she is separated from them by plexiglass.

    And since we moved to our current home from Chicago; Bridgeport - 31st and Halsted, with Bronzeville 1 mile to the east and Englewood 3 miles to the south. With the Dearborn Homes and the Robert Taylor homes both within a mile of our apartment. With the Green St. projects 2 blocks away. Please, pretty please, bring me up to speed on the violence in Chicago. Tell me about riding the redline from 35th street to the loop. Tell me about taking the Orange line from Archer and Halsted to Midway. Tell me about working in Harvey, IL. Oh please please please, tell us what we don't know!! LOL

    Anyway, what was your point? That you wish to convey that you have absolutely no idea of what you speak?

    Your point is well made. Some women desperately deserve and need a good slap. But some of us have been raised to avoid this at virtually any cost. I once had a nutty Cuban chick girlfriend who was hot but flat out crazy. She did absolutely everything she could to incite me to hit her. I couldn’t count the number of times she hit me. But did I mention she was hot? Anyway, eventually we broke up and she began stalking me and even broke into my house three times. I never once gave her the slap she so obviously craved, but I did get a restraining order and had her prosecuted for stalking.

    I’m an unusually large guy and judging by the damage I’ve done to other guys, I am certain if I slugged a broad she’d drop like a rock. So it’s really about restraint isn’t it? Maybe we should accept spanking as one spanks a naughty child? Enough violence to fully capture the attention, but never enough to do any lasting harm. I’m told a lot of women enjoy being spanked anyway..

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    Chivalry and chauvinism are useful social guidelines as long as both sexes play by those rules.
    , @njguy73
    I take it that you've learned the hard way not to stick it in cra-cra, amiright?

    And no amount of hot is worth getting sucked into cra-cra. Sanity is now my biggest turn-on.

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  89. CornCod1 says:
    @iffen
    Economic improvement with higher wages would make life better here for everyone.

    A decent well-paying job is the cosmic duct tape for society's ills.

    Well, not exactly, but the local culture and it’s Christianity, even if it’s of the snake handling kind, has enough strength to take care of the non-economic stuff.

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  90. @Stan d Mute
    https://youtu.be/oo0d1zTAFKA

    Easy shot. I’d like to ask Connery what he thinks of gay marriage, Islam, IQ. Then we could see what kind of a “man” he is.

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  91. @Anonymous

    Current social norms invite to you masturbate in an elementary school girl’s restroom.
     
    No, they don't.

    I don't mind a little puffery from your type. I know it's difficult for you NOT to act like an asshole, so I give you some latitude.

    But, elementary school girls' restroom?

    You're a dumbshit.

    ” I know it’s difficult for you NOT to act like an asshole, so I give you some latitude.”

    Projection. :)

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    ” I know it’s difficult for you NOT to act like an asshole, so I give you some latitude.”

    Projection. :)
     
    Probably. Better'n 60/40. :-)
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  92. @MikeatMikedotMike
    LOL - Really?

    My wife gets to screen newborns exposed to heroin and alcohol in the womb, have had half the bones in their body broken, burned with cigarette butts, boiling water, or hot frying pans. She gets to screen 5 year olds who have been so chronically neglected that they cannot speak coherent English, are not potty trained and have cavities in every single tooth. She gets to screen 8 year olds who have been so habitually sexually abused that they have permanent rectal and vaginal damage. She gets to go to Juvie and interview 12 year olds who are so violent that she is separated from them by plexiglass.

    And since we moved to our current home from Chicago; Bridgeport - 31st and Halsted, with Bronzeville 1 mile to the east and Englewood 3 miles to the south. With the Dearborn Homes and the Robert Taylor homes both within a mile of our apartment. With the Green St. projects 2 blocks away. Please, pretty please, bring me up to speed on the violence in Chicago. Tell me about riding the redline from 35th street to the loop. Tell me about taking the Orange line from Archer and Halsted to Midway. Tell me about working in Harvey, IL. Oh please please please, tell us what we don't know!! LOL

    Anyway, what was your point? That you wish to convey that you have absolutely no idea of what you speak?

    “Chicago area, I said. Her AoO is actually most of North Eastern and Central Eastern Illinois.” These are geographic areas and are mostly white.

    Next you state areas specifically in Chicago that are mostly black or have many blacks. Once again you prove what I said. She is thus dealing with mostly black violence.

    Can’t she get a better job and stop dealing with blacks?

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    "“Chicago area, I said. Her AoO is actually most of North Eastern and Central Eastern Illinois.” These are geographic areas and are mostly white.
    Next you state areas specifically in Chicago that are mostly black or have many blacks."

    Read what I said again - the specific areas in Chicago I stated were near where we LIVED, not exclusively where she worked. The area she WORKS is NE and CE Illinois, which yes, does include Chicago, but also a lot of poor mostly white towns that run along the I80, I57, and I55 interstates. There are also lots of Chicago neighborhoods and suburbs with large populations of Hispanics, and she deals with those people as well. If it makes you feel better to assume most of her case load involves blacks, knock yourself out (or call Ray Rice to do it) but the point I made was not related to race.

    Assuming for the moment the 50% stat I referenced applies to Illinois, only 15% of the state population is black, so the black population isn't skewing the data on statewide DV in Illinois. This is not a defense of blacks. I'd be much happier if they'd all move out of here and go to your state. ;)

    "Once again you prove what I said."

    More like once again I have disproved what you said.

    "She is thus dealing with mostly black violence."

    OMFG LOL - a couple posts ago you said what my wife "sees is nothing compared to black violence", and now you're saying what she deals with is mostly black violence. Which is it? Nevermind, I don't want to know.
    , @prusmc
    Illinois and Chicago have magnificent pension system. People put up with a lot to get that 25 or 30 years until the gravy train and then move to Florida or Texas and vote to turn them into another Illinois.
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  93. CornCod1 says:
    @Anonymous

    White knight get off your victorian horse, it’s rachitic.
     
    Oh, fuck off. Don't gimme that new-breed macho tough-guy bullshit. It just makes you more of an obtuse jackass.

    Real men do not hit women if not under imminent threat of great bodily harm. Now, I am aware that inner-city turds like to knock girls around. Makes their ballsacks swell up. Feels goooooood .... makes 'em feel all black-boy homey, ya know?

    You worthless piece of shit.

    Fred Pohl was a fiction writer. F - I - C - T - I - O - N. No behavior is justified by being promoted by a writer of fiction.

    Women must be taught not to strike men. Any woman who hits a man, except in self-defense, should be smashed into next week. To heck with these feminist creeps.

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    Damn! Can I pick 'em, or what?
    , @Them Guys
    Women Used to be taught to Respect a man. Like back in cowboy days, women acted like as taught to biblically. Ie: there is a bible verse or two, that teach men and women alike that..."Your women should Remain Silent in church. And if they have any questions or statements to be made or asked, should Wait until Alone with their husbands, and privately ask Him the question. He should answer properly, and if not able to, then wait until the Next church meeting and have the Husband ask the Pastor for a good proper answer to her question. And this attitude was carried out into the world in general...In most every situation, women were supposed to be, subservient to the man. In the order of...#1= God, Then #2 Man and #3 Woman...But..not in any bad ways, nor for men to take advantage of a woman due to that order. Women never had it so swell and good when they acted like real women should, obeyed men, obeyed God, and men protected them, provided for women, cherished women, and overall most men treated a women as the bible instructed.


    Lefty Marxist Commies created every possible male vs female divide, same as racial divide issues, in order to satisfy their commie Jewish Lust of destroying Christianity. Today they have pretty much accomplished that Jewdeo goal. And just look at the overall royal fuckin mess America and entire euro white world is in now. And we know from history that such lefty's of all stripes, will never stop or decide enough is enough..No...They take it that when men do not strike back at females, who Richly well deserve a good smack up side the head or some even deserve a real face punch, it means men fear women and its a Win so keep those wins coming!


    The Lefty's always act that way on everything they do or promote. They are to stupidly blinded by lefty idiocy and falsehoods, they think, nothing can stop them now..Another big Win!


    Until one fine day it all comes unglued, same as anti-white Blacks and Jews are going to discover and when it happens they all shall cry like a baby over it. Their cry's will halt once a .308 or .223 slams home into their stupid heads...And every reason for that is going to all be, On Them.


    On them, Fem Lefty's and Jews and Blacks etc who never realize that Men can only get pushed so far, and when backed into a corner, are going to strike back...Hard! Or Shoot their way out!


    So all such commie idiots and dyke/lezbo feminist clowns as well as their fellow lefty racist Blacks and Jews....Who seek directions to the Concord Bridge?...Just...Keep..Pushing fools. You will be At concord before you know it. PS: Wear Red same as British did it will hide all the blood.


    And all that prior mentioned Biblical methods of how Both Women and Men should act and be like. Was to do with basically preventing females who typically have little logic and far too much Emotion and fuzzy feel goodness, from messing it all up as they have done and is seen everywhere today. It is just how it is between men vs women. All the feminist crap of all are 100% equal in every possible way is bunk. Maybe if they had more common sense and logic they'd see the truth in that.


    Regardless WTF fem-nazi commie bitches claim or demand...Women and Men were each created to be vastly different in certain areas. Yes you can probably find a few Dykes on Harley Bikes, or Lezbos/Dykes that work out with weights daily, weigh 200+ Lbs of solid mussel, take hormones to try to grow a beard and side burns....Many such "women" join military to prove they are so manly, or maybe to get promoted fast, above males due to PC crap policy, then Lord their female Powers over the men below them in rank....But..On avg, women in general are weaker and smaller and are created to perform a total different role in life than men are.


    And it remained that way since time began....Until PC and Lib Lezbo Dykes with goofy Marxist Jewish women leadership started up their, feminist agendas....Today everything that can get screwed up has been and is. And we see more and more Former dem lib feminist types admit, they wish they never heard of nor joined with such whacky females. And admit how Now at ages of 40+ and 50's yrs old, remain single, zero kids, zero husband, zero Happiness. Maybe better pay jobs, bigger house to remain lonely in...But wishing they never fell for the fem agenda crap.


    I agree that if women wish for men to show respect for women, and act as men should etc...Then First when as small girls Mothers should teach and train those girls that...Never are women to use Sex as a Weapon against men, never should a women, knowing how men are taught to never, ever, hit a female no matter what... take advantage of it.


    Women, many, Love to get as close in a mans face as possible and then scream slanderous crap and accusations against him....And refuse to back off or away no matter how many times the woman gets warned to back off....Because a major weapon women use against men is to act that way in Public settings...It gives more protection of no sane man will hit the bitch if in public and with todays major anti male bias, especially in a court room. Women think its a Win to get away with such total disrespect of a Man. But that opposite effect has happened. It is those type women who no sane man or woman will respect. Will Lefty females ever admit to this?..No! as usual for leftys, they only always, Double Down on it. Then grow huge fat asses, ugly quadruple chins, waist sizes of 65 inches around, with an ass so huge soon wont be able to exit or enter normal size entranceways or doors!...See Rosie or Oprah for examples. FemNaziPigs.


    Check FBI Crime Stats compiled yearly, and find that every year, a slight majority of Women get charged and convicted , of the several variations of spouse abuse's listed by FBI stats. Like around 53% abusers are Females Vs men...Why is that never shown on MSM news shows, eh?


    A good proper women wont publicly destroy a man verbally so she can feel all superior to men. Used to be, all women were taught about their massive power over a man and how Not to use it as weapons, especially when in public settings where a woman can really embarrass a Man, and Knows this is fact. Just because you possess a weapon don't mean you must always use it.


    And in the future if traditions change, and more women do get smacked silly or punched for acting like crazed emotional Basket Cases, and like a deranged male seeking a real fist fight as some male bullies do...Then nobody should be shocked when that day arrives and females get smacked silly on a regular basis. Act like proper women should no problem. Act like a women seeking a real phys fight and you will get one. And well deserve it.


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  94. @Colin Wright
    '...But you just can’t wait to jump to some conclusion, can you?

    Look at my post. There are five sentences. The first two are questions. The third begins with 'I assume,' the second with 'in my experience,' and the last with 'maybe.'

    I'd say I didn't jump to any conclusions at all. On the contrary, it was you who couldn't wait to play PC enforcer.

    You jumped to the conclusions that my wife’s experience was exclusively related to the city of Chicago and its black population, as related to a state mandated training, and therefor the 50% statistic was skewed by Chicago’s said black population.

    “I’d say I didn’t jump to any conclusions at all. On the contrary, it was you who couldn’t wait to play PC enforcer.”

    More nonsense. You’re the guy tying yourself in knots trying to dismiss the 50% number by suggesting it is skewed by a high percentage of blacks within the sample, while in the process making a few embarrassing assumptions based on your own desired outcome. Just so you can make the implication that white women don’t initiate violence toward their spouses at an equal rate as compared to white males do. That may or may not be the case, as the stat I provided doesn’t specify by race, but it doesn’t change the fact that you’re still white knighting, and that is the only PC enforcing going on within our discussion.

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  95. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "And this, I suspect, is why so many have found his book to be palatable—he unquestioningly parrots all the reigning pieties spewed out by the coastal elites whose policies have eviscerated rural America."

    Vance sounds like a useful idiot; another David French but maybe slightly less insane. They'll come for him eventually. Some past the wall sorority slut from Yale will metoo him, or his Hindu-nuffin wife will accuse him of abuse, or some ancient evidence will pop up of him saying the word homo in less than a celebratory tone.

    They'll get him, and maybe, only then, will he realize. Or then again, maybe not.

    “…another David French but maybe sightly less insane.”

    I was thinking the same thing.

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  96. Anonymous[696] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    " I know it’s difficult for you NOT to act like an asshole, so I give you some latitude."

    Projection. :)

    ” I know it’s difficult for you NOT to act like an asshole, so I give you some latitude.”

    Projection. :)

    Probably. Better’n 60/40. :-)

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  97. Anonymous[696] • Disclaimer says:
    @CornCod1
    Women must be taught not to strike men. Any woman who hits a man, except in self-defense, should be smashed into next week. To heck with these feminist creeps.

    Damn! Can I pick ‘em, or what?

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    Damn! Can I pick ‘em, or what?.....Indeed....You can Pick your friends, and you can also Pick your nose…...But, you cannot wipe your friends on the couch or chair.
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  98. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    Al Gore was born in Washington, DC, and raised nowhere near Appalachia. His father was from a fairly stable family in an area only on the fringe of the Appalachians. Mitch McConnell was born on the fringes of Appalachia and grew up in the city of Louisville. Neither of these fellows are "hillbillies." As for Manchin, he is, in a sense I suppose, a "hillbilly," but his family is eastern and southern European, not British Isles, and his father was a store owner in downtown Farmington - not exactly a hillbilly.

    Al Gore lost Tennessee in 2000. Had he carried his supposed home state, it would have put him over 270 electoral votes no matter the Florida result.

    One of my liberal friends (who had some acquaintance with both Gores) thought if Al had been born in Tennessee, and had some schooling here, instead of DC he would have been POTUS.

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    if Al had been born in Tennessee, and had some schooling here, instead of DC he would have been POTUS.
     
    Quite similar to Mittens losing his home (Mitten) State in 2012. His papa was an elite at defunct AMC and then Governor, Mittens attended Cranbrook ($50K/yr), and Mittens’ career was spent busting out companies (ie employers) for fun and profit. Had Mittens been the scion of a regular Joe, say a shop floor supervisor or skilled trades, had he not spent his life pushing the silver spoon further up his rectum, he’d have won easily against Obama (goofy Mormonism notwithstanding). Or we could just blame the AMC Pacer..
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  99. @attilathehen
    "Chicago area, I said. Her AoO is actually most of North Eastern and Central Eastern Illinois." These are geographic areas and are mostly white.

    Next you state areas specifically in Chicago that are mostly black or have many blacks. Once again you prove what I said. She is thus dealing with mostly black violence.

    Can't she get a better job and stop dealing with blacks?

    ““Chicago area, I said. Her AoO is actually most of North Eastern and Central Eastern Illinois.” These are geographic areas and are mostly white.
    Next you state areas specifically in Chicago that are mostly black or have many blacks.”

    Read what I said again – the specific areas in Chicago I stated were near where we LIVED, not exclusively where she worked. The area she WORKS is NE and CE Illinois, which yes, does include Chicago, but also a lot of poor mostly white towns that run along the I80, I57, and I55 interstates. There are also lots of Chicago neighborhoods and suburbs with large populations of Hispanics, and she deals with those people as well. If it makes you feel better to assume most of her case load involves blacks, knock yourself out (or call Ray Rice to do it) but the point I made was not related to race.

    Assuming for the moment the 50% stat I referenced applies to Illinois, only 15% of the state population is black, so the black population isn’t skewing the data on statewide DV in Illinois. This is not a defense of blacks. I’d be much happier if they’d all move out of here and go to your state. ;)

    “Once again you prove what I said.”

    More like once again I have disproved what you said.

    “She is thus dealing with mostly black violence.”

    OMFG LOL – a couple posts ago you said what my wife “sees is nothing compared to black violence”, and now you’re saying what she deals with is mostly black violence. Which is it? Nevermind, I don’t want to know.

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    Once again, your showing off your stupidity. You mentioned 2 completely different locations. I was trying to make sense of this. I can see why your wife has to have this kind of job. She doesn't have the intelligence for something better. She is a typical government worker. As to pensions, she will never see one.
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  100. @Stan d Mute
    Your point is well made. Some women desperately deserve and need a good slap. But some of us have been raised to avoid this at virtually any cost. I once had a nutty Cuban chick girlfriend who was hot but flat out crazy. She did absolutely everything she could to incite me to hit her. I couldn’t count the number of times she hit me. But did I mention she was hot? Anyway, eventually we broke up and she began stalking me and even broke into my house three times. I never once gave her the slap she so obviously craved, but I did get a restraining order and had her prosecuted for stalking.

    I’m an unusually large guy and judging by the damage I’ve done to other guys, I am certain if I slugged a broad she’d drop like a rock. So it’s really about restraint isn’t it? Maybe we should accept spanking as one spanks a naughty child? Enough violence to fully capture the attention, but never enough to do any lasting harm. I’m told a lot of women enjoy being spanked anyway..

    Chivalry and chauvinism are useful social guidelines as long as both sexes play by those rules.

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  101. Keep in mind, I have not read but a few comments yet. I may have more to say, but dang, 97 comments already.

    I read this article on Takimag just this morning. Firstly, I’m glad to be able to comment. Blogs (or whatever Takimag is) are worth much less without comments, even though DISQUS does kinda suck. I get to the bottom of an article ready to read comments.

    Here’s my small quibble, Jim Goad – I clicked on you link to Redneck Manifesto and it was formatted with RED writing on BLACK background. It is just unreadable, man! I may cut-and-paste to windows notepad. This is just constructive criticism, as I don’t know who can read that.

    Carry on.

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  102. @David In TN
    Al Gore lost Tennessee in 2000. Had he carried his supposed home state, it would have put him over 270 electoral votes no matter the Florida result.

    One of my liberal friends (who had some acquaintance with both Gores) thought if Al had been born in Tennessee, and had some schooling here, instead of DC he would have been POTUS.

    if Al had been born in Tennessee, and had some schooling here, instead of DC he would have been POTUS.

    Quite similar to Mittens losing his home (Mitten) State in 2012. His papa was an elite at defunct AMC and then Governor, Mittens attended Cranbrook ($50K/yr), and Mittens’ career was spent busting out companies (ie employers) for fun and profit. Had Mittens been the scion of a regular Joe, say a shop floor supervisor or skilled trades, had he not spent his life pushing the silver spoon further up his rectum, he’d have won easily against Obama (goofy Mormonism notwithstanding). Or we could just blame the AMC Pacer..

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  103. prusmc says: • Website
    @attilathehen
    "Chicago area, I said. Her AoO is actually most of North Eastern and Central Eastern Illinois." These are geographic areas and are mostly white.

    Next you state areas specifically in Chicago that are mostly black or have many blacks. Once again you prove what I said. She is thus dealing with mostly black violence.

    Can't she get a better job and stop dealing with blacks?

    Illinois and Chicago have magnificent pension system. People put up with a lot to get that 25 or 30 years until the gravy train and then move to Florida or Texas and vote to turn them into another Illinois.

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    The best part about my wife's job is the flexibility. As long as she meets her appointments and the deadlines for her reports, she is free to set her own schedule and can do all of her writing at home. As we have kids in school, this is invaluable in the summer, holidays, and heck, even after school lets out every day.
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  104. @prusmc
    Illinois and Chicago have magnificent pension system. People put up with a lot to get that 25 or 30 years until the gravy train and then move to Florida or Texas and vote to turn them into another Illinois.

    The best part about my wife’s job is the flexibility. As long as she meets her appointments and the deadlines for her reports, she is free to set her own schedule and can do all of her writing at home. As we have kids in school, this is invaluable in the summer, holidays, and heck, even after school lets out every day.

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  105. @Anonymous

    Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that’s worse. He had a black girlfriend. Fortunately, there was no issue. Goad has written he was a liberal and he used to live in California. He did stupid stuff with some Jewish ex-wife.
     
    Thanks for the biographical key points. Um, check please. He makes a disparaging reference to Vance’s East Indian wife, but Goad has a black girlfriend? Seriously?? Vance and his congnitive elite wife are like Boston Brahmin compared to Goad.

    I started reading the articles on Takimag about 7 or 8 years ago. I knew of Mr. Taki. I had read some articles he had written for the Spectator and he was infamous for being an anti-Semite. When I first started reading Goad, he really didn’t deal with race/sex identity issues. One good article he wrote was about the late atheist Stephen Hawking punching up at God. I do recall an article where he wrote about living in California, being a liberal and that no one could call him a racist because he had had a black girlfriend. Someone wrote about his ex-Jewish wife. I pegged him for a degenerate. Now his articles have become very race realist. I find this odd given his history. I suppose he changed and regrets what he did in the past. The good thing is he didn’t have offspring from the black/Jewish women in his life. However, you are correct about his disparaging comment about Vance’s East Indian wife and offspring. He could have been in a worse position if he had black offspring. Vance’s wife is intelligent and if one had to choose between an East Indian or a black, the East Indian would be the better choice. He has written about his difficult life, but many people have had much more difficult lives. He is right that Trump is changing the course of the USA and I am happy for this. But big picture, what has always bothered me is why didn’t anyone speak up sooner? I knew what was going with globalism more than 10 years ago and I tried to tell people about this. They thought I was nuts, but I have been proven correct. What is more important is to move forward with rescuing the West now.

    I have a feeling something is going on at Takimag. I still read the articles and have noticed in the past couple of weeks that the articles are now down to one page. I commented about Mr. Taki in another article and pointed out that I figured out that Mr. Taki is just another cuck. He writes mostly about 2 things: p**sy and negroid Arabs. He is an insane anti-Semite. His constant commenting on women’s looks had been getting on my nerves. I finally saw a picture of his daughter. She looks like a younger, transvestite version of Taki pere. She got married a couple of years ago when she was 40. It was her first marriage. She married an Austrian “count” and Taki brags about this. My gut feeling is that they finally managed to marry her off to some Austrian “count” with no account and he got a lot of Taki’s shekels for the marriage. Taki will complain about Greece’s situation, but does nothing to help. With all his shekels he could be a Greek Trump. This is why people like Goad, Taki, Derbyshire have to be exposed. All their scribblings amount to nothing.

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    Thanks for this. This is very eye-opening.
    , @Liza
    Goad & old man Taki don't bother me, in spite of their flaws. But Derbyshire? He doesn't have much to recommend him. Why does everyone look the other way when a person who makes his living bashing multiracialism turns around and donates two Chinese offspring to an increasingly nonwhite USA?
    , @prusmc
    Attialiathon ( spelling)

    You may have been writing about it 10 years ago but I was worried about globalization 29 years ago. PAT Buchanan was writing about it and "Ross for Boss Perot was raving about it and campaigning about it. Of all my mistakes in voting, I regret voting for Bush I most. The others I regret were votes against somebody: Gore, Kerry, and Obama.
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  106. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "“Chicago area, I said. Her AoO is actually most of North Eastern and Central Eastern Illinois.” These are geographic areas and are mostly white.
    Next you state areas specifically in Chicago that are mostly black or have many blacks."

    Read what I said again - the specific areas in Chicago I stated were near where we LIVED, not exclusively where she worked. The area she WORKS is NE and CE Illinois, which yes, does include Chicago, but also a lot of poor mostly white towns that run along the I80, I57, and I55 interstates. There are also lots of Chicago neighborhoods and suburbs with large populations of Hispanics, and she deals with those people as well. If it makes you feel better to assume most of her case load involves blacks, knock yourself out (or call Ray Rice to do it) but the point I made was not related to race.

    Assuming for the moment the 50% stat I referenced applies to Illinois, only 15% of the state population is black, so the black population isn't skewing the data on statewide DV in Illinois. This is not a defense of blacks. I'd be much happier if they'd all move out of here and go to your state. ;)

    "Once again you prove what I said."

    More like once again I have disproved what you said.

    "She is thus dealing with mostly black violence."

    OMFG LOL - a couple posts ago you said what my wife "sees is nothing compared to black violence", and now you're saying what she deals with is mostly black violence. Which is it? Nevermind, I don't want to know.

    Once again, your showing off your stupidity. You mentioned 2 completely different locations. I was trying to make sense of this. I can see why your wife has to have this kind of job. She doesn’t have the intelligence for something better. She is a typical government worker. As to pensions, she will never see one.

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    LOL you're like a cat trapped in a corner, with one paw covering its face and the other batting out blindly. Go to bed, Broom Hilda, you're drunk.
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  107. Hank Yobo says:
    @RebelWriter
    The written sentence was, "Some people referred to the Revolution as a Scotch-Irish rebellion," which some did. I didn't "characterize the Revolution as Scots-Irish," nor even IMPLY it was solely Scotch-Irish.

    A Hessian officer said, "Call this war by whatever name you may, only call it not an American rebellion; it is nothing more or less than a Scotch Irish Presbyterian rebellion."(Leyburn)

    A British major general, Joseph Galloway, testified to the House of Commons that "half the rebel Continental Army were from Ireland". (Bagenal)

    Some estimates put the portion of the Americans who supported the Revolution at a low of 30%. Another 30% supported the crown, and the rest wanted to be left out of it. Report after report indicates the Scotch-Irish were nearly unanimous in supporting the Revolution, or at least the majority of them did. I haven't read the same account about any other ethnic group of Americans, be they Dutch, French, German, or English. The Scotch-Irish made up somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of patriot forces, while they were only around 1/5 of the population.

    At the Battle of Kings Mountain there only two men on the field who weren't born in America; the leaders of either side, Brown and Ferguson, who were both Scots. The "British" infantry were mostly from NY and NJ, and were primarily of English origin, while the Americans were nearly all Scotch-Irish.

    "Scots-Irish" is a 20th Century term employed by people who want to genuflect about using "proper English," or something. "Scotch is whiskey," blah, blah, bah.

    They were first called "Scotch-Irish," in America, though everybody else in the world called them Ulstermen, or Ulster Scots, and still do. James Leyburn, who wrote the definitive history of these people, The Scotch-Irish, a Social History, has gone into this argument in great detail, Appendix I of his book, and you'll notice the name he chose for his book. Some examples from it:

    Queen Elizabeth I called them Scotch-Irish in 1573, in a letter concerning Sorley Boy MacDonnel.

    The first written mention of them in America was in 1695, when Sir Thomas Laurence, Secretary of Maryland, wrote that "In the two counties of Dorchester and Somerset, where the Scotch-Irish are numerous, they clothe themselves by their linen and woolen manufactures."

    1723, Rev. George Ross, Rector of Immanuel Church in New Castle, Delaware, wrote in reference to their anti-Church of England stance that, "They call themselves Scotch-Irish ... and the bitterest railers against the church that ever trod upon American ground."

    There are many more. That they called themselves Scotch-Irish, and that term has the longest historical existence, is good enough for me. Your personal opinion of it is of no concern.

    That a very large part of the Ulsterman were from the Borders is not the least bit controversial. King James himself mentioned it in written communications. George MacDonald Frazier wrote about it in his book, The Steel Bonnets, and George Hacket Fischer, author of Albion's Seed, said he prefered to refer to them as borderers. The Scots who went to Ireland were almost entirely from the Lowlands, where, you may note, the border with England is located.

    These weren't Gaelic Scots, for the most part, and not all who went to Ireland were Scots. A great many English went as well. Some Londoners, but quite a few from the borders in Northern England. Either side of the border, they were ethnically almost identical. I call them Celtic-Anglo-Saxon-Danes. I'm probably alone in calling them that, but that's what they were. Broad Scots, the language of Lowland Scotland, is but a slightly different form of English. Bernicia, later called North Umbria, was under Anglo-Saxon dominion for centuries before it fell to the Danes, and later back to the Anglo-Saxons, then eventually divided between Scotland and England.

    Again, you may argue with history all you please. What your particular ancestors did, and where they were from, has no impact, except as possible exceptions to the rule. You just want to fight with someone on the internet about some particular subject you're personally sore about it. Have at. I don't care.

    Louis XVI probably played a more significant role in rebel fortunes than all the Scots/Scotch-Irish involved.

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  108. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @attilathehen
    I started reading the articles on Takimag about 7 or 8 years ago. I knew of Mr. Taki. I had read some articles he had written for the Spectator and he was infamous for being an anti-Semite. When I first started reading Goad, he really didn't deal with race/sex identity issues. One good article he wrote was about the late atheist Stephen Hawking punching up at God. I do recall an article where he wrote about living in California, being a liberal and that no one could call him a racist because he had had a black girlfriend. Someone wrote about his ex-Jewish wife. I pegged him for a degenerate. Now his articles have become very race realist. I find this odd given his history. I suppose he changed and regrets what he did in the past. The good thing is he didn't have offspring from the black/Jewish women in his life. However, you are correct about his disparaging comment about Vance's East Indian wife and offspring. He could have been in a worse position if he had black offspring. Vance's wife is intelligent and if one had to choose between an East Indian or a black, the East Indian would be the better choice. He has written about his difficult life, but many people have had much more difficult lives. He is right that Trump is changing the course of the USA and I am happy for this. But big picture, what has always bothered me is why didn't anyone speak up sooner? I knew what was going with globalism more than 10 years ago and I tried to tell people about this. They thought I was nuts, but I have been proven correct. What is more important is to move forward with rescuing the West now.

    I have a feeling something is going on at Takimag. I still read the articles and have noticed in the past couple of weeks that the articles are now down to one page. I commented about Mr. Taki in another article and pointed out that I figured out that Mr. Taki is just another cuck. He writes mostly about 2 things: p**sy and negroid Arabs. He is an insane anti-Semite. His constant commenting on women's looks had been getting on my nerves. I finally saw a picture of his daughter. She looks like a younger, transvestite version of Taki pere. She got married a couple of years ago when she was 40. It was her first marriage. She married an Austrian "count" and Taki brags about this. My gut feeling is that they finally managed to marry her off to some Austrian "count" with no account and he got a lot of Taki's shekels for the marriage. Taki will complain about Greece's situation, but does nothing to help. With all his shekels he could be a Greek Trump. This is why people like Goad, Taki, Derbyshire have to be exposed. All their scribblings amount to nothing.

    Thanks for this. This is very eye-opening.

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  109. @attilathehen
    Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that's worse. He had a black girlfriend. Fortunately, there was no issue. Goad has written he was a liberal and he used to live in California. He did stupid stuff with some Jewish ex-wife.

    I know about Goad's hard upbringing, but his adult years were degenerate and he now acts like some kind of conservative, nationalist. He and Vance are flip-sides of the same coin. Goad may now care about middle America but he wasted a lot of time to figure it out. Vance is a degenerate.

    I know about Goad’s hard upbringing, but his adult years were degenerate and he now acts like some kind of conservative, nationalist. He and Vance are flip-sides of the same coin. Goad may now care about middle America but he wasted a lot of time to figure it out. Vance is a degenerate.

    So if someone like Goad figures things out after making mistakes, you summarily dismiss him. Your omniscience, of course, means that Goad is unworthy of being read. Because Goad wasn’t omniscient. And you are. Right?

    As a Puritan, you are not advancing our shared interests.

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    It's Goad's comments about Vance's Indian woman that bothered me because I know about Goad's past. Maybe Goad thought no one knew about his past. I stated I still read Goad's columns. He does have good material, but I keep his writings in perspective. I read stuff on left wing websites. I sometimes get good material from them. Again, I was stating facts about Goad and their relation to his article about Vance. Big picture, the two are peas in a pod.
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  110. @attilathehen
    Once again, your showing off your stupidity. You mentioned 2 completely different locations. I was trying to make sense of this. I can see why your wife has to have this kind of job. She doesn't have the intelligence for something better. She is a typical government worker. As to pensions, she will never see one.

    LOL you’re like a cat trapped in a corner, with one paw covering its face and the other batting out blindly. Go to bed, Broom Hilda, you’re drunk.

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  111. Liza says:
    @attilathehen
    I started reading the articles on Takimag about 7 or 8 years ago. I knew of Mr. Taki. I had read some articles he had written for the Spectator and he was infamous for being an anti-Semite. When I first started reading Goad, he really didn't deal with race/sex identity issues. One good article he wrote was about the late atheist Stephen Hawking punching up at God. I do recall an article where he wrote about living in California, being a liberal and that no one could call him a racist because he had had a black girlfriend. Someone wrote about his ex-Jewish wife. I pegged him for a degenerate. Now his articles have become very race realist. I find this odd given his history. I suppose he changed and regrets what he did in the past. The good thing is he didn't have offspring from the black/Jewish women in his life. However, you are correct about his disparaging comment about Vance's East Indian wife and offspring. He could have been in a worse position if he had black offspring. Vance's wife is intelligent and if one had to choose between an East Indian or a black, the East Indian would be the better choice. He has written about his difficult life, but many people have had much more difficult lives. He is right that Trump is changing the course of the USA and I am happy for this. But big picture, what has always bothered me is why didn't anyone speak up sooner? I knew what was going with globalism more than 10 years ago and I tried to tell people about this. They thought I was nuts, but I have been proven correct. What is more important is to move forward with rescuing the West now.

    I have a feeling something is going on at Takimag. I still read the articles and have noticed in the past couple of weeks that the articles are now down to one page. I commented about Mr. Taki in another article and pointed out that I figured out that Mr. Taki is just another cuck. He writes mostly about 2 things: p**sy and negroid Arabs. He is an insane anti-Semite. His constant commenting on women's looks had been getting on my nerves. I finally saw a picture of his daughter. She looks like a younger, transvestite version of Taki pere. She got married a couple of years ago when she was 40. It was her first marriage. She married an Austrian "count" and Taki brags about this. My gut feeling is that they finally managed to marry her off to some Austrian "count" with no account and he got a lot of Taki's shekels for the marriage. Taki will complain about Greece's situation, but does nothing to help. With all his shekels he could be a Greek Trump. This is why people like Goad, Taki, Derbyshire have to be exposed. All their scribblings amount to nothing.

    Goad & old man Taki don’t bother me, in spite of their flaws. But Derbyshire? He doesn’t have much to recommend him. Why does everyone look the other way when a person who makes his living bashing multiracialism turns around and donates two Chinese offspring to an increasingly nonwhite USA?

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    You have a point about Goad and Taki. At least they did not have black/Asian offspring. I did comment that I still read their columns because sometimes they have good material. What irritates me the most is Taki's cuckiness. He is rich and there is nothing anyone could do to him. His bleating about Muslims is disgusting. He has to deal with the fact that Israel has to exist so the Jews in the West can go there. The Palestinians have the Gaza Strip. They have Jordan. Taki does not deal with IQ so I don't know if he realizes that the low Muslim Palestinian IQ is the biggest problem. We have to set firm boundaries for Israel and tell the Muslims that Israel is a permanent state. We need to tell them Islam is a Christian heresy and that their problems are caused by the many low IQers in their countries.

    Derbyshire is a complete degenerate. Until I found out about his Chinese family, I thought he was a defender of the West. His book "We are doomed" is what got me thinking because there was something odd about it. I didn't buy it. I just read portions online. Then I found out the problem - the Chinese family. The book was really about him and his family. He woke up one day and wondered who all these Chinese people were in his house - his family. Then he doubles down on his degeneracy by writing that Asians are smarter than whites. He vacationed in Taiwan a couple of years ago and called it a yellowtopia. And yet, he stays in the West. His wife and daughter voted for Obummer. He and the Chinese mommy had to have the army straighten out the son because they couldn't raise him properly. Derbyshire is old and sick so when he croaks he will leave a genetic mess in the West. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese widow Derbyshire takes up with a black guy. VDare still prints his scribblings. Many nationalists have commented that VDare and AmRen are controlled by Jews. I think they are correct. VDare should have gotten rid of Derbyshire years ago. Derbyshire is also afraid of Jews. But no, VDare has held several fundraisers for Derbyshire!!! Derbyshire worked with Jews on Wall Street and he never learned how to make money during this time!!!

    He scribbles his nonsense about illegals from Latin America but will never mention all the illegal Chinese immigrants invading the USA. He will not write about how China steals our technology and is our enemy.

    He has forgotten that at one time in his life he was a WASP.
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  112. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    I know about Goad’s hard upbringing, but his adult years were degenerate and he now acts like some kind of conservative, nationalist. He and Vance are flip-sides of the same coin. Goad may now care about middle America but he wasted a lot of time to figure it out. Vance is a degenerate.
     
    So if someone like Goad figures things out after making mistakes, you summarily dismiss him. Your omniscience, of course, means that Goad is unworthy of being read. Because Goad wasn't omniscient. And you are. Right?

    As a Puritan, you are not advancing our shared interests.

    It’s Goad’s comments about Vance’s Indian woman that bothered me because I know about Goad’s past. Maybe Goad thought no one knew about his past. I stated I still read Goad’s columns. He does have good material, but I keep his writings in perspective. I read stuff on left wing websites. I sometimes get good material from them. Again, I was stating facts about Goad and their relation to his article about Vance. Big picture, the two are peas in a pod.

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  113. njguy73 says:
    @Ragno
    Sounds like J.D. Vance should be introduced to Kevin Williamson toot-sweet. They could form a boffo comedy team: I'm Dickens, He's Fenster, You're Loathsome.

    Here’s Kevin “U-Huals For Hicks” Williamson on J.D. Vance:

    His family was indeed miserable, but theirs wasn’t the misery of poverty and privation. It was the misery of people determined to be miserable at any price. The great American bounty was wheeled out for their enjoyment like room service at the Ritz Carlton, and they decided they preferred Wendy’s and Night Train and OxyContin and desultory sex with strangers from bars.
    Nothing happened to them—they happened.

    The main difference between Vance and his unhappy forebears with their Byzantine marital histories and “Mountain Dew mouth”—exactly what it sounds like—is that he had the good sense to say yes to the happiness that was offered him.

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/albions-ashes/

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    A friend of mine once asked a neocon pest in all sincerity, "Is there anyone who meets you and doesn't want to immediately punch you in the mouth?"

    It wasn't Williamson, but it certainly could have been. When that editor, Goldberg (no not that one; the one at THE ATLANTIC) gallantly pulled out that chair for Fat Boy Kevin, only to snatch it away as Williamson was parking his bulk - and all to make Te-Nehesi look up from his comic book and giggle - it was one of the few bonafide instances of poetic justice recorded in the current year.
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  114. @Liza
    Goad & old man Taki don't bother me, in spite of their flaws. But Derbyshire? He doesn't have much to recommend him. Why does everyone look the other way when a person who makes his living bashing multiracialism turns around and donates two Chinese offspring to an increasingly nonwhite USA?

    You have a point about Goad and Taki. At least they did not have black/Asian offspring. I did comment that I still read their columns because sometimes they have good material. What irritates me the most is Taki’s cuckiness. He is rich and there is nothing anyone could do to him. His bleating about Muslims is disgusting. He has to deal with the fact that Israel has to exist so the Jews in the West can go there. The Palestinians have the Gaza Strip. They have Jordan. Taki does not deal with IQ so I don’t know if he realizes that the low Muslim Palestinian IQ is the biggest problem. We have to set firm boundaries for Israel and tell the Muslims that Israel is a permanent state. We need to tell them Islam is a Christian heresy and that their problems are caused by the many low IQers in their countries.

    Derbyshire is a complete degenerate. Until I found out about his Chinese family, I thought he was a defender of the West. His book “We are doomed” is what got me thinking because there was something odd about it. I didn’t buy it. I just read portions online. Then I found out the problem – the Chinese family. The book was really about him and his family. He woke up one day and wondered who all these Chinese people were in his house – his family. Then he doubles down on his degeneracy by writing that Asians are smarter than whites. He vacationed in Taiwan a couple of years ago and called it a yellowtopia. And yet, he stays in the West. His wife and daughter voted for Obummer. He and the Chinese mommy had to have the army straighten out the son because they couldn’t raise him properly. Derbyshire is old and sick so when he croaks he will leave a genetic mess in the West. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Chinese widow Derbyshire takes up with a black guy. VDare still prints his scribblings. Many nationalists have commented that VDare and AmRen are controlled by Jews. I think they are correct. VDare should have gotten rid of Derbyshire years ago. Derbyshire is also afraid of Jews. But no, VDare has held several fundraisers for Derbyshire!!! Derbyshire worked with Jews on Wall Street and he never learned how to make money during this time!!!

    He scribbles his nonsense about illegals from Latin America but will never mention all the illegal Chinese immigrants invading the USA. He will not write about how China steals our technology and is our enemy.

    He has forgotten that at one time in his life he was a WASP.

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    @attila. If I am not mistaken, Derby hasn't been with vdare all that long. Maybe a year? He was with takimag before that and then I guess he got mad because the commenters were always saying not-nice things about him. So off to vdare he goes.

    I don't think that yellow women go with black men. They prefer whites, who won't beat them up and then dump them. Just saying.

    He IS a degenerate. I recall only a couple of years ago he was reminiscing about his young life in England and how he screwed a girl on the floor of her parents' living room while the parents were sleeping upstairs, and how he took the filled-up condom out the door with him and threw it over some bushes. I feel like a schit just recalling and repeating this, but I wanted to back up my thinking that he is maybe going crazy from guilt? Maybe?

    About vdare & amren and who "controls" them. If I am not incorrect, vdare is financially supported by none other than our Ron Unz, who you must admit produces one helluva interesting site. So I guess this is diversification or vertical integration or whatever you call it. LOL. I don't know much about economics.
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  115. njguy73 says:
    @Stan d Mute
    Your point is well made. Some women desperately deserve and need a good slap. But some of us have been raised to avoid this at virtually any cost. I once had a nutty Cuban chick girlfriend who was hot but flat out crazy. She did absolutely everything she could to incite me to hit her. I couldn’t count the number of times she hit me. But did I mention she was hot? Anyway, eventually we broke up and she began stalking me and even broke into my house three times. I never once gave her the slap she so obviously craved, but I did get a restraining order and had her prosecuted for stalking.

    I’m an unusually large guy and judging by the damage I’ve done to other guys, I am certain if I slugged a broad she’d drop like a rock. So it’s really about restraint isn’t it? Maybe we should accept spanking as one spanks a naughty child? Enough violence to fully capture the attention, but never enough to do any lasting harm. I’m told a lot of women enjoy being spanked anyway..

    I take it that you’ve learned the hard way not to stick it in cra-cra, amiright?

    And no amount of hot is worth getting sucked into cra-cra. Sanity is now my biggest turn-on.

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    I take it that you’ve learned the hard way not to stick it in cra-cra, amiright?
     
    Not really, I’m still completely heterosexual..
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  116. If you believe in a system where cretinous rich people get to “hire” you, force you to do their bidding, pay you whatever they want, and fire you whenever they feel like it, and you end up suffering, and then you blame it on “welfare leeches” or some other inanity, then you deserve everything you get.

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  117. Anonymous[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    You are such an obstinate idiot to keep ignoring other passages in the Bible.

    Romans 11:28

    Listen, troll, if Christianity is such a Jewish religion, then why did Talmudic Jews like Maimonides wish to boil Jesus in a vat of excrement for all eternity?

    Jesus just wanted to share Judiasm with everyone rather than keep it exclusive.

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  118. Miro23 says:
    @iffen
    Economic improvement with higher wages would make life better here for everyone.

    A decent well-paying job is the cosmic duct tape for society's ills.

    Economic improvement with higher wages would make life better here for everyone.

    A decent well-paying job is the cosmic duct tape for society’s ills.

    And stable relationships (well-paying jobs help).

    The problem is, that the whole planet also wants decent well-paying jobs. In a globalized open-frontiers system there are ALWAYS, for example, Asians and Indians who will do the job (maybe better) for much lower wages.

    A country can shut out some competition, and favor nationals but even here, if they are an advanced country (obligatorily integrated into the world economy) they have to make very serious investments in quality education to reach the highest level (e.g. Switzerland, Finland or Japan) to permit their decent well-paying jobs.

    IMO, in this environment, the only Socialism that works is one that gives opportunities to everyone and demands the maximum effort – not the old welfare – free stuff “rights” variety. And it goes without saying that society has to be cohesive and focused.

    From this POV the United States is in free fall.

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  119. prusmc says: • Website
    @attilathehen
    I started reading the articles on Takimag about 7 or 8 years ago. I knew of Mr. Taki. I had read some articles he had written for the Spectator and he was infamous for being an anti-Semite. When I first started reading Goad, he really didn't deal with race/sex identity issues. One good article he wrote was about the late atheist Stephen Hawking punching up at God. I do recall an article where he wrote about living in California, being a liberal and that no one could call him a racist because he had had a black girlfriend. Someone wrote about his ex-Jewish wife. I pegged him for a degenerate. Now his articles have become very race realist. I find this odd given his history. I suppose he changed and regrets what he did in the past. The good thing is he didn't have offspring from the black/Jewish women in his life. However, you are correct about his disparaging comment about Vance's East Indian wife and offspring. He could have been in a worse position if he had black offspring. Vance's wife is intelligent and if one had to choose between an East Indian or a black, the East Indian would be the better choice. He has written about his difficult life, but many people have had much more difficult lives. He is right that Trump is changing the course of the USA and I am happy for this. But big picture, what has always bothered me is why didn't anyone speak up sooner? I knew what was going with globalism more than 10 years ago and I tried to tell people about this. They thought I was nuts, but I have been proven correct. What is more important is to move forward with rescuing the West now.

    I have a feeling something is going on at Takimag. I still read the articles and have noticed in the past couple of weeks that the articles are now down to one page. I commented about Mr. Taki in another article and pointed out that I figured out that Mr. Taki is just another cuck. He writes mostly about 2 things: p**sy and negroid Arabs. He is an insane anti-Semite. His constant commenting on women's looks had been getting on my nerves. I finally saw a picture of his daughter. She looks like a younger, transvestite version of Taki pere. She got married a couple of years ago when she was 40. It was her first marriage. She married an Austrian "count" and Taki brags about this. My gut feeling is that they finally managed to marry her off to some Austrian "count" with no account and he got a lot of Taki's shekels for the marriage. Taki will complain about Greece's situation, but does nothing to help. With all his shekels he could be a Greek Trump. This is why people like Goad, Taki, Derbyshire have to be exposed. All their scribblings amount to nothing.

    Attialiathon ( spelling)

    You may have been writing about it 10 years ago but I was worried about globalization 29 years ago. PAT Buchanan was writing about it and “Ross for Boss Perot was raving about it and campaigning about it. Of all my mistakes in voting, I regret voting for Bush I most. The others I regret were votes against somebody: Gore, Kerry, and Obama.

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    Of all my mistakes in voting, I regret voting for Bush I most.
     
    I know you were talking about Bush #1, but remember Bush #2 during his campaign? He sounded not unlike Mr. Drumpf. You know - no overseas wars, peaceful foreign policy, try and get along, etc.

    Time for everybody to stop believing politicians. It is getting to the point where I judge people's intelligence/stupidity by how enthusiastic they are about voting on election day.
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  120. Pontius says:
    @attilathehen
    Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that's worse. He had a black girlfriend. Fortunately, there was no issue. Goad has written he was a liberal and he used to live in California. He did stupid stuff with some Jewish ex-wife.

    I know about Goad's hard upbringing, but his adult years were degenerate and he now acts like some kind of conservative, nationalist. He and Vance are flip-sides of the same coin. Goad may now care about middle America but he wasted a lot of time to figure it out. Vance is a degenerate.

    One does not materialize at the destination, there is the voyage.

    Jim’s may not have been as straight and short as you would have liked.

    So be it.

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    I judged Jim Goad according to the facts I knew about him. He wrote in a column that he had a black girlfriend at one point in his life. A man who has dated a negress cannot criticize a man who married an East Indian woman.

    If he has changed fine. But the facts are the facts.
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  121. TheOldOne says:

    Rod Dreher raved about Hillbilly Elegy…nuff said.

    Derbyshire is a nihilist atheist, so what did any of you expect ?

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  122. Liza says:
    @attilathehen
    You have a point about Goad and Taki. At least they did not have black/Asian offspring. I did comment that I still read their columns because sometimes they have good material. What irritates me the most is Taki's cuckiness. He is rich and there is nothing anyone could do to him. His bleating about Muslims is disgusting. He has to deal with the fact that Israel has to exist so the Jews in the West can go there. The Palestinians have the Gaza Strip. They have Jordan. Taki does not deal with IQ so I don't know if he realizes that the low Muslim Palestinian IQ is the biggest problem. We have to set firm boundaries for Israel and tell the Muslims that Israel is a permanent state. We need to tell them Islam is a Christian heresy and that their problems are caused by the many low IQers in their countries.

    Derbyshire is a complete degenerate. Until I found out about his Chinese family, I thought he was a defender of the West. His book "We are doomed" is what got me thinking because there was something odd about it. I didn't buy it. I just read portions online. Then I found out the problem - the Chinese family. The book was really about him and his family. He woke up one day and wondered who all these Chinese people were in his house - his family. Then he doubles down on his degeneracy by writing that Asians are smarter than whites. He vacationed in Taiwan a couple of years ago and called it a yellowtopia. And yet, he stays in the West. His wife and daughter voted for Obummer. He and the Chinese mommy had to have the army straighten out the son because they couldn't raise him properly. Derbyshire is old and sick so when he croaks he will leave a genetic mess in the West. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese widow Derbyshire takes up with a black guy. VDare still prints his scribblings. Many nationalists have commented that VDare and AmRen are controlled by Jews. I think they are correct. VDare should have gotten rid of Derbyshire years ago. Derbyshire is also afraid of Jews. But no, VDare has held several fundraisers for Derbyshire!!! Derbyshire worked with Jews on Wall Street and he never learned how to make money during this time!!!

    He scribbles his nonsense about illegals from Latin America but will never mention all the illegal Chinese immigrants invading the USA. He will not write about how China steals our technology and is our enemy.

    He has forgotten that at one time in his life he was a WASP.

    @attila. If I am not mistaken, Derby hasn’t been with vdare all that long. Maybe a year? He was with takimag before that and then I guess he got mad because the commenters were always saying not-nice things about him. So off to vdare he goes.

    I don’t think that yellow women go with black men. They prefer whites, who won’t beat them up and then dump them. Just saying.

    He IS a degenerate. I recall only a couple of years ago he was reminiscing about his young life in England and how he screwed a girl on the floor of her parents’ living room while the parents were sleeping upstairs, and how he took the filled-up condom out the door with him and threw it over some bushes. I feel like a schit just recalling and repeating this, but I wanted to back up my thinking that he is maybe going crazy from guilt? Maybe?

    About vdare & amren and who “controls” them. If I am not incorrect, vdare is financially supported by none other than our Ron Unz, who you must admit produces one helluva interesting site. So I guess this is diversification or vertical integration or whatever you call it. LOL. I don’t know much about economics.

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    I remember Derbyshire being at Taki. But I had read and heard of Derbyshire before that at VDare. He was diagnosed with a cancer back in 2012 and I remember VDare had a fundraiser for him. This guy, for being such a math wiz, has never been able to save and invest his shekels. He wrote about how his wife had to find a job so they could make ends meet. This guy has been a loser for years. VDare just had a fundraiser for him either late last year or earlier this year. Good grief. I thought the Chinese believed in having their children help them.

    If VDare is supported by Ron Unz, why are they always shaking their tin cup and asking for shekels? They're always screaming about how the website will close down if they don't get money. I found this on Mr. Unz's Wiki: "Unz has donated tens of thousands of dollars to the ultra right website VDARE, claiming that he supports them because they are "mostly broke and they write interesting things."

    You are correct about our Mr. Unz. I can't keep up with all stuff on Unz Review. He posts stuff from all sides, including comments. I saw some comment on another website where the commentator said that Unz Review was putting all kinds of stuff out there because they are going to eventually entrap the contributors and commentators. Of course, it was because he's Jewish. That was pretty funny.

    But, again, I blame the cucks. They won't go near any of the political, religious, racial topics in Unz Review.

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  123. @njguy73
    I take it that you've learned the hard way not to stick it in cra-cra, amiright?

    And no amount of hot is worth getting sucked into cra-cra. Sanity is now my biggest turn-on.

    I take it that you’ve learned the hard way not to stick it in cra-cra, amiright?

    Not really, I’m still completely heterosexual..

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  124. Ragno says:
    @njguy73
    Here's Kevin "U-Huals For Hicks" Williamson on J.D. Vance:

    His family was indeed miserable, but theirs wasn’t the misery of poverty and privation. It was the misery of people determined to be miserable at any price. The great American bounty was wheeled out for their enjoyment like room service at the Ritz Carlton, and they decided they preferred Wendy’s and Night Train and OxyContin and desultory sex with strangers from bars.
    Nothing happened to them—they happened.

    The main difference between Vance and his unhappy forebears with their Byzantine marital histories and “Mountain Dew mouth”—exactly what it sounds like—is that he had the good sense to say yes to the happiness that was offered him.
     
    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/albions-ashes/

    A friend of mine once asked a neocon pest in all sincerity, “Is there anyone who meets you and doesn’t want to immediately punch you in the mouth?”

    It wasn’t Williamson, but it certainly could have been. When that editor, Goldberg (no not that one; the one at THE ATLANTIC) gallantly pulled out that chair for Fat Boy Kevin, only to snatch it away as Williamson was parking his bulk – and all to make Te-Nehesi look up from his comic book and giggle – it was one of the few bonafide instances of poetic justice recorded in the current year.

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  125. @Liza
    @attila. If I am not mistaken, Derby hasn't been with vdare all that long. Maybe a year? He was with takimag before that and then I guess he got mad because the commenters were always saying not-nice things about him. So off to vdare he goes.

    I don't think that yellow women go with black men. They prefer whites, who won't beat them up and then dump them. Just saying.

    He IS a degenerate. I recall only a couple of years ago he was reminiscing about his young life in England and how he screwed a girl on the floor of her parents' living room while the parents were sleeping upstairs, and how he took the filled-up condom out the door with him and threw it over some bushes. I feel like a schit just recalling and repeating this, but I wanted to back up my thinking that he is maybe going crazy from guilt? Maybe?

    About vdare & amren and who "controls" them. If I am not incorrect, vdare is financially supported by none other than our Ron Unz, who you must admit produces one helluva interesting site. So I guess this is diversification or vertical integration or whatever you call it. LOL. I don't know much about economics.

    I remember Derbyshire being at Taki. But I had read and heard of Derbyshire before that at VDare. He was diagnosed with a cancer back in 2012 and I remember VDare had a fundraiser for him. This guy, for being such a math wiz, has never been able to save and invest his shekels. He wrote about how his wife had to find a job so they could make ends meet. This guy has been a loser for years. VDare just had a fundraiser for him either late last year or earlier this year. Good grief. I thought the Chinese believed in having their children help them.

    If VDare is supported by Ron Unz, why are they always shaking their tin cup and asking for shekels? They’re always screaming about how the website will close down if they don’t get money. I found this on Mr. Unz’s Wiki: “Unz has donated tens of thousands of dollars to the ultra right website VDARE, claiming that he supports them because they are “mostly broke and they write interesting things.”

    You are correct about our Mr. Unz. I can’t keep up with all stuff on Unz Review. He posts stuff from all sides, including comments. I saw some comment on another website where the commentator said that Unz Review was putting all kinds of stuff out there because they are going to eventually entrap the contributors and commentators. Of course, it was because he’s Jewish. That was pretty funny.

    But, again, I blame the cucks. They won’t go near any of the political, religious, racial topics in Unz Review.

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  126. Weave says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    If Goad's weekly articles are going to continue to be published here, then that's one less click I need to give Taki on Monday to read them. Works for me.

    Did you see Taki’s “Pay to Play” thing?? I hate that site so much now. Of course I still read on Sunday and Monday for Goad, I’m weak.

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    Yeah, it was a big "fuck you" to their readers.
    , @anonymous
    I, too, have for months limited my visits to TakiMag to Mr. Goad's (solely?) "Week That Perished." But I never thought of it as anything but a more clever, concise version of what the racebaiters like Derbyshire and Weissberg serve up here at Unz Review while taking themselves far too seriously. None compares to the likes of Dinh, Giraldi, or (usually) Sailer.

    I dread the prospect of Mr. Goad drifting over to this website. It would be nice not to be bombarded with ads and the occasional exposure to Taki's name-dropping while waiting for "Week" to roll around at the top and be clicked quickly enough. But trashy stuff can drive out the good. That's especially so when it comes to commenters -- those at TakiMag became insufferable years ago, and they will degrade this site if they find a new home here.

    What Ron Unz has done, apparently on his own out of a truly generous spirit and belief in free speech, is too easily taken for granted.

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  127. Them Guys says:
    @CornCod1
    Women must be taught not to strike men. Any woman who hits a man, except in self-defense, should be smashed into next week. To heck with these feminist creeps.

    Women Used to be taught to Respect a man. Like back in cowboy days, women acted like as taught to biblically. Ie: there is a bible verse or two, that teach men and women alike that…”Your women should Remain Silent in church. And if they have any questions or statements to be made or asked, should Wait until Alone with their husbands, and privately ask Him the question. He should answer properly, and if not able to, then wait until the Next church meeting and have the Husband ask the Pastor for a good proper answer to her question. And this attitude was carried out into the world in general…In most every situation, women were supposed to be, subservient to the man. In the order of…#1= God, Then #2 Man and #3 Woman…But..not in any bad ways, nor for men to take advantage of a woman due to that order. Women never had it so swell and good when they acted like real women should, obeyed men, obeyed God, and men protected them, provided for women, cherished women, and overall most men treated a women as the bible instructed.

    Lefty Marxist Commies created every possible male vs female divide, same as racial divide issues, in order to satisfy their commie Jewish Lust of destroying Christianity. Today they have pretty much accomplished that Jewdeo goal. And just look at the overall royal fuckin mess America and entire euro white world is in now. And we know from history that such lefty’s of all stripes, will never stop or decide enough is enough..No…They take it that when men do not strike back at females, who Richly well deserve a good smack up side the head or some even deserve a real face punch, it means men fear women and its a Win so keep those wins coming!

    The Lefty’s always act that way on everything they do or promote. They are to stupidly blinded by lefty idiocy and falsehoods, they think, nothing can stop them now..Another big Win!

    Until one fine day it all comes unglued, same as anti-white Blacks and Jews are going to discover and when it happens they all shall cry like a baby over it. Their cry’s will halt once a .308 or .223 slams home into their stupid heads…And every reason for that is going to all be, On Them.

    On them, Fem Lefty’s and Jews and Blacks etc who never realize that Men can only get pushed so far, and when backed into a corner, are going to strike back…Hard! Or Shoot their way out!

    So all such commie idiots and dyke/lezbo feminist clowns as well as their fellow lefty racist Blacks and Jews….Who seek directions to the Concord Bridge?…Just…Keep..Pushing fools. You will be At concord before you know it. PS: Wear Red same as British did it will hide all the blood.

    And all that prior mentioned Biblical methods of how Both Women and Men should act and be like. Was to do with basically preventing females who typically have little logic and far too much Emotion and fuzzy feel goodness, from messing it all up as they have done and is seen everywhere today. It is just how it is between men vs women. All the feminist crap of all are 100% equal in every possible way is bunk. Maybe if they had more common sense and logic they’d see the truth in that.

    Regardless WTF fem-nazi commie bitches claim or demand…Women and Men were each created to be vastly different in certain areas. Yes you can probably find a few Dykes on Harley Bikes, or Lezbos/Dykes that work out with weights daily, weigh 200+ Lbs of solid mussel, take hormones to try to grow a beard and side burns….Many such “women” join military to prove they are so manly, or maybe to get promoted fast, above males due to PC crap policy, then Lord their female Powers over the men below them in rank….But..On avg, women in general are weaker and smaller and are created to perform a total different role in life than men are.

    And it remained that way since time began….Until PC and Lib Lezbo Dykes with goofy Marxist Jewish women leadership started up their, feminist agendas….Today everything that can get screwed up has been and is. And we see more and more Former dem lib feminist types admit, they wish they never heard of nor joined with such whacky females. And admit how Now at ages of 40+ and 50′s yrs old, remain single, zero kids, zero husband, zero Happiness. Maybe better pay jobs, bigger house to remain lonely in…But wishing they never fell for the fem agenda crap.

    I agree that if women wish for men to show respect for women, and act as men should etc…Then First when as small girls Mothers should teach and train those girls that…Never are women to use Sex as a Weapon against men, never should a women, knowing how men are taught to never, ever, hit a female no matter what… take advantage of it.

    Women, many, Love to get as close in a mans face as possible and then scream slanderous crap and accusations against him….And refuse to back off or away no matter how many times the woman gets warned to back off….Because a major weapon women use against men is to act that way in Public settings…It gives more protection of no sane man will hit the bitch if in public and with todays major anti male bias, especially in a court room. Women think its a Win to get away with such total disrespect of a Man. But that opposite effect has happened. It is those type women who no sane man or woman will respect. Will Lefty females ever admit to this?..No! as usual for leftys, they only always, Double Down on it. Then grow huge fat asses, ugly quadruple chins, waist sizes of 65 inches around, with an ass so huge soon wont be able to exit or enter normal size entranceways or doors!…See Rosie or Oprah for examples. FemNaziPigs.

    Check FBI Crime Stats compiled yearly, and find that every year, a slight majority of Women get charged and convicted , of the several variations of spouse abuse’s listed by FBI stats. Like around 53% abusers are Females Vs men…Why is that never shown on MSM news shows, eh?

    A good proper women wont publicly destroy a man verbally so she can feel all superior to men. Used to be, all women were taught about their massive power over a man and how Not to use it as weapons, especially when in public settings where a woman can really embarrass a Man, and Knows this is fact. Just because you possess a weapon don’t mean you must always use it.

    And in the future if traditions change, and more women do get smacked silly or punched for acting like crazed emotional Basket Cases, and like a deranged male seeking a real fist fight as some male bullies do…Then nobody should be shocked when that day arrives and females get smacked silly on a regular basis. Act like proper women should no problem. Act like a women seeking a real phys fight and you will get one. And well deserve it.

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  128. Them Guys says:
    @Anonymous
    Damn! Can I pick 'em, or what?

    Damn! Can I pick ‘em, or what?…..Indeed….You can Pick your friends, and you can also Pick your nose……But, you cannot wipe your friends on the couch or chair.

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  129. @Pontius
    One does not materialize at the destination, there is the voyage.

    Jim's may not have been as straight and short as you would have liked.

    So be it.

    I judged Jim Goad according to the facts I knew about him. He wrote in a column that he had a black girlfriend at one point in his life. A man who has dated a negress cannot criticize a man who married an East Indian woman.

    If he has changed fine. But the facts are the facts.

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  130. @Weave
    Did you see Taki’s “Pay to Play” thing?? I hate that site so much now. Of course I still read on Sunday and Monday for Goad, I’m weak.

    Yeah, it was a big “fuck you” to their readers.

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  131. Bubba says:
    @attilathehen
    Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that's worse. He had a black girlfriend. Fortunately, there was no issue. Goad has written he was a liberal and he used to live in California. He did stupid stuff with some Jewish ex-wife.

    I know about Goad's hard upbringing, but his adult years were degenerate and he now acts like some kind of conservative, nationalist. He and Vance are flip-sides of the same coin. Goad may now care about middle America but he wasted a lot of time to figure it out. Vance is a degenerate.

    So he was charged with assault and dated a black woman? Big deal – so I guess that means he is a normal, red blooded ‘Merican.

    He wrote the Redneck Manifesto at a time when I believed all the garbage written in the National Review and editorial pages of The Wall Street Journal.

    Jim Goad is the most insightful, interesting, and talented writer in America today. His weekly columns and “The Week That Perished” are infinitely better than the ho-hum, echo chamber tripe published by the glitterati at the NYT’s, WP, LAT’s, etc…

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    "normal, red blooded 'Merican?" No. If anyone we know dated blacks, they were disowned/shunned. No one I know hits men/women.

    I did state that he writes interesting columns and I do read them because there is good material there. However, he has too much baggage to be taken seriously. Like I said, I know he had a rough childhood, but so have many others.
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  132. @Bubba
    So he was charged with assault and dated a black woman? Big deal - so I guess that means he is a normal, red blooded 'Merican.

    He wrote the Redneck Manifesto at a time when I believed all the garbage written in the National Review and editorial pages of The Wall Street Journal.

    Jim Goad is the most insightful, interesting, and talented writer in America today. His weekly columns and "The Week That Perished" are infinitely better than the ho-hum, echo chamber tripe published by the glitterati at the NYT's, WP, LAT's, etc...

    “normal, red blooded ‘Merican?” No. If anyone we know dated blacks, they were disowned/shunned. No one I know hits men/women.

    I did state that he writes interesting columns and I do read them because there is good material there. However, he has too much baggage to be taken seriously. Like I said, I know he had a rough childhood, but so have many others.

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  133. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Weave
    Did you see Taki’s “Pay to Play” thing?? I hate that site so much now. Of course I still read on Sunday and Monday for Goad, I’m weak.

    I, too, have for months limited my visits to TakiMag to Mr. Goad’s (solely?) “Week That Perished.” But I never thought of it as anything but a more clever, concise version of what the racebaiters like Derbyshire and Weissberg serve up here at Unz Review while taking themselves far too seriously. None compares to the likes of Dinh, Giraldi, or (usually) Sailer.

    I dread the prospect of Mr. Goad drifting over to this website. It would be nice not to be bombarded with ads and the occasional exposure to Taki’s name-dropping while waiting for “Week” to roll around at the top and be clicked quickly enough. But trashy stuff can drive out the good. That’s especially so when it comes to commenters — those at TakiMag became insufferable years ago, and they will degrade this site if they find a new home here.

    What Ron Unz has done, apparently on his own out of a truly generous spirit and belief in free speech, is too easily taken for granted.

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    What Ron Unz has done, apparently on his own out of a truly generous spirit and belief in free speech, is too easily taken for granted.
     
    Perhaps you misunderstand his motives? Does it occur to you that someone who puts up a forum, and professes a belief in free speech, has committed himself to the observance thereof? There is an eternally-true philosophical observance to be made in that regard, but I will not belabor you with it.
    , @RebelWriter
    Sorry, but there are already many of us here, some of whom were posting here before Taki's closed the comments section there.


    Maybe you should consider moving, or something.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'm not sure if I should describe this complaint as pearl clutching or as a "get off my lawn" moment on your part. Perhaps a little of both.

    There is plenty of "trash" posted at Unz in the comment section, but maybe because the general message of that trash is more in line with whatever your world view is, you are more forgiving of it.

    If you prefer sterile discussion under the weight of heavy moderation, I suggest you venture to the websites that require payment for such a safe space.

    Otherwise, embrace the fruits of open discussion, my anonymous friend (were you anonymous on Taki's as well?), and learn to dismiss what offends you.
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  134. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    I, too, have for months limited my visits to TakiMag to Mr. Goad's (solely?) "Week That Perished." But I never thought of it as anything but a more clever, concise version of what the racebaiters like Derbyshire and Weissberg serve up here at Unz Review while taking themselves far too seriously. None compares to the likes of Dinh, Giraldi, or (usually) Sailer.

    I dread the prospect of Mr. Goad drifting over to this website. It would be nice not to be bombarded with ads and the occasional exposure to Taki's name-dropping while waiting for "Week" to roll around at the top and be clicked quickly enough. But trashy stuff can drive out the good. That's especially so when it comes to commenters -- those at TakiMag became insufferable years ago, and they will degrade this site if they find a new home here.

    What Ron Unz has done, apparently on his own out of a truly generous spirit and belief in free speech, is too easily taken for granted.

    What Ron Unz has done, apparently on his own out of a truly generous spirit and belief in free speech, is too easily taken for granted.

    Perhaps you misunderstand his motives? Does it occur to you that someone who puts up a forum, and professes a belief in free speech, has committed himself to the observance thereof? There is an eternally-true philosophical observance to be made in that regard, but I will not belabor you with it.

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    Or perhaps it is you who misunderstands me.

    Is the publisher required to run every submitted article, irrespective of its substantive worth and written quality? Of course not. But am I supposed to think that it’s good when commenters — as they eventually did at Taki’s — post drivel like “First!” or relentlessly chase each other down like Hatfield and McCoy, some acknowledging that they didn’t even read the column? I noted some of that festering here long ago, in explaining why I haven’t taken a “real handle.”

    This is a great website that I hope doesn’t turn into another bathroom wall.

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  135. @anonymous
    I, too, have for months limited my visits to TakiMag to Mr. Goad's (solely?) "Week That Perished." But I never thought of it as anything but a more clever, concise version of what the racebaiters like Derbyshire and Weissberg serve up here at Unz Review while taking themselves far too seriously. None compares to the likes of Dinh, Giraldi, or (usually) Sailer.

    I dread the prospect of Mr. Goad drifting over to this website. It would be nice not to be bombarded with ads and the occasional exposure to Taki's name-dropping while waiting for "Week" to roll around at the top and be clicked quickly enough. But trashy stuff can drive out the good. That's especially so when it comes to commenters -- those at TakiMag became insufferable years ago, and they will degrade this site if they find a new home here.

    What Ron Unz has done, apparently on his own out of a truly generous spirit and belief in free speech, is too easily taken for granted.

    Sorry, but there are already many of us here, some of whom were posting here before Taki’s closed the comments section there.

    Maybe you should consider moving, or something.

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    Sorry, but there are already many of us here, some of whom were posting here before Taki’s closed the comments section there.
     
    You were a latecomer to TakiMag Comments. Back in 2012, 2013, even 2014, TakiMag had a majority of intelligent commenters. IMO, it went wacky when overloaded with Goad and Sailer followers. (And, yes, I notice Goad now feels he has sufficient columnist "presence" to begin writing more carefully-considered articles and opinions.) Taki's was lively and intelligent for a good three years before deliquescing into stupid, squalling, uninformed racism and knee-jerk Jew-hate.

    I've ventured on Unz since shortly-after startup. Unz, possibly because of his clunky comment software, has always been home to the more tedious, long-winded, self-important puffers on the planet. My god, page after page of dimwitted (and religious) exhortations, predictions, and moronic "analysis" from barely post-adolescent self-perceived military advisers, and sage, pontificating counselors of urban affluence.

    Well, for now, it's all there is. And probably soon to be snuffed by our newly all-powerful, ruthlessly fascist "Deep State".

    , @anonymous
    And so it begins...

    Or maybe you folks will meet the higher standard here. If so, I look forward to learning from you.
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  136. Anonymous[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @RebelWriter
    Sorry, but there are already many of us here, some of whom were posting here before Taki's closed the comments section there.


    Maybe you should consider moving, or something.

    Sorry, but there are already many of us here, some of whom were posting here before Taki’s closed the comments section there.

    You were a latecomer to TakiMag Comments. Back in 2012, 2013, even 2014, TakiMag had a majority of intelligent commenters. IMO, it went wacky when overloaded with Goad and Sailer followers. (And, yes, I notice Goad now feels he has sufficient columnist “presence” to begin writing more carefully-considered articles and opinions.) Taki’s was lively and intelligent for a good three years before deliquescing into stupid, squalling, uninformed racism and knee-jerk Jew-hate.

    I’ve ventured on Unz since shortly-after startup. Unz, possibly because of his clunky comment software, has always been home to the more tedious, long-winded, self-important puffers on the planet. My god, page after page of dimwitted (and religious) exhortations, predictions, and moronic “analysis” from barely post-adolescent self-perceived military advisers, and sage, pontificating counselors of urban affluence.

    Well, for now, it’s all there is. And probably soon to be snuffed by our newly all-powerful, ruthlessly fascist “Deep State”.

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    I was there when Gavin was still cool, years before he went to the trouble of writing an article about how much he hated us, the Takiariat. Even though it was his "Pod Person" article that pulled me in, somewhere around 2010.

    I wouldn't say the commenting is better here, but there is more diversity of opinion. There's always someone you can argue with, isn't there?

    There are people here, and I've written this before, who probably tell their mechanic how to fix their cars, and doubtless argue with their doctors. They are subject matter experts on whatever the subject happens to be. I've met people like this in real life, and hated being around them.

    There are some great commenters here, who I often look for. I enjoy their take on certain subjects. As you might guess, you're not included in this number.

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  137. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @RebelWriter
    Sorry, but there are already many of us here, some of whom were posting here before Taki's closed the comments section there.


    Maybe you should consider moving, or something.

    And so it begins…

    Or maybe you folks will meet the higher standard here. If so, I look forward to learning from you.

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  138. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    What Ron Unz has done, apparently on his own out of a truly generous spirit and belief in free speech, is too easily taken for granted.
     
    Perhaps you misunderstand his motives? Does it occur to you that someone who puts up a forum, and professes a belief in free speech, has committed himself to the observance thereof? There is an eternally-true philosophical observance to be made in that regard, but I will not belabor you with it.

    Or perhaps it is you who misunderstands me.

    Is the publisher required to run every submitted article, irrespective of its substantive worth and written quality? Of course not. But am I supposed to think that it’s good when commenters — as they eventually did at Taki’s — post drivel like “First!” or relentlessly chase each other down like Hatfield and McCoy, some acknowledging that they didn’t even read the column? I noted some of that festering here long ago, in explaining why I haven’t taken a “real handle.”

    This is a great website that I hope doesn’t turn into another bathroom wall.

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    Or perhaps it is you who misunderstands me.
     
    Groonf? Palabol fizz dig mamar delx quignuss?

    A little humor there ... just let it pass.

    As it happens, much to my eternal regret, I started the "First!" activity at TakMag. Cripes, it was a jape. I was shocked and stunned that people would take up that sort of thing. On the other hand, Taki's was sold down de ribber at that point, so no big deal after all.

    Now, as to understanding and the miss thereof ... the owner and operator of a website has every right to control every word and image in that website's content. That's primal. It includes every word of every comment the owner and operator allows. As one of my CEOs was in the habit of observing: "This corporation is not a democracy."

    Censorship is sometimes a necessary component of free and open discussion. That being said, the burden is on the censor to embody the moral principles, wisdom and intelligence of the Idealized Renaissance Man.

    Pure freedom of speech includes the utterance of the foulest of the foul of libelous and obscene insult. Such things, IMO, do not improve the quality of discussion. I believe a policy of impartial moderation, with occasional mere deletion of childish name-calling and threats of violence, is the way to go.

    But it's a tough row to hoe.
    , @prusmc
    What you said is 100 percent right on about Taki's comments. That being said, I felt I was mature enough to separate the trash from the treasure.
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  139. Anonymous[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    Or perhaps it is you who misunderstands me.

    Is the publisher required to run every submitted article, irrespective of its substantive worth and written quality? Of course not. But am I supposed to think that it’s good when commenters — as they eventually did at Taki’s — post drivel like “First!” or relentlessly chase each other down like Hatfield and McCoy, some acknowledging that they didn’t even read the column? I noted some of that festering here long ago, in explaining why I haven’t taken a “real handle.”

    This is a great website that I hope doesn’t turn into another bathroom wall.

    Or perhaps it is you who misunderstands me.

    Groonf? Palabol fizz dig mamar delx quignuss?

    A little humor there … just let it pass.

    As it happens, much to my eternal regret, I started the “First!” activity at TakMag. Cripes, it was a jape. I was shocked and stunned that people would take up that sort of thing. On the other hand, Taki’s was sold down de ribber at that point, so no big deal after all.

    Now, as to understanding and the miss thereof … the owner and operator of a website has every right to control every word and image in that website’s content. That’s primal. It includes every word of every comment the owner and operator allows. As one of my CEOs was in the habit of observing: “This corporation is not a democracy.”

    Censorship is sometimes a necessary component of free and open discussion. That being said, the burden is on the censor to embody the moral principles, wisdom and intelligence of the Idealized Renaissance Man.

    Pure freedom of speech includes the utterance of the foulest of the foul of libelous and obscene insult. Such things, IMO, do not improve the quality of discussion. I believe a policy of impartial moderation, with occasional mere deletion of childish name-calling and threats of violence, is the way to go.

    But it’s a tough row to hoe.

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  140. prusmc says: • Website
    @anonymous
    Or perhaps it is you who misunderstands me.

    Is the publisher required to run every submitted article, irrespective of its substantive worth and written quality? Of course not. But am I supposed to think that it’s good when commenters — as they eventually did at Taki’s — post drivel like “First!” or relentlessly chase each other down like Hatfield and McCoy, some acknowledging that they didn’t even read the column? I noted some of that festering here long ago, in explaining why I haven’t taken a “real handle.”

    This is a great website that I hope doesn’t turn into another bathroom wall.

    What you said is 100 percent right on about Taki’s comments. That being said, I felt I was mature enough to separate the trash from the treasure.

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    That's the way I dealt with it. The "First" thing did get a little annoying. Most of the "trash" was the result of a new troll, or an old troll with a new handle (JJS, is that you?), with whom some of the thinner skinned would feed with buttsore replies. There was ALWAYS one in the bunch; every day.

    On the other hand, damn, I had some good times there. Some articles just brought out the best thread of running comments I've ever read on the internet - including here. Dalrymple's famous Ode to the Wood Louse comes to mind. I had a Hell of a fine day when Gavin's, I Hate You People article posted. I had a great time.

    The only real trouble I ever had there was with Kathy Shaidle. She posted yet another Canadia Punk article, but this time threw an extra Catholic School Girl angle on it. I was lost, as far as personal experience goes. It was all foreign to me.

    My comment was, "I'll wait on Boris to explain this one to me." Boris being, of course, the resident observant Catholic, I figured he could enlighten me on SOME of it. What did a boomer raised Baptist in South Carolina know about growing up as a punk Canadian Catholic school girl? It's not like anybody wrote a book about it.

    She went off on me in the comments. Then she posted her comments to Twitter. I was in her next article, in the role of the dumb country Bumpkin, who couldn't into Punk Catholic Canadian. I just stopped reading and following her after that.

    I go to the meeting place, but not as much as I used to. I posted a few articles, too. It's fun, but too many people are still missing. It's not like TWTP on Sunday mornings.
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  141. @anonymous
    I, too, have for months limited my visits to TakiMag to Mr. Goad's (solely?) "Week That Perished." But I never thought of it as anything but a more clever, concise version of what the racebaiters like Derbyshire and Weissberg serve up here at Unz Review while taking themselves far too seriously. None compares to the likes of Dinh, Giraldi, or (usually) Sailer.

    I dread the prospect of Mr. Goad drifting over to this website. It would be nice not to be bombarded with ads and the occasional exposure to Taki's name-dropping while waiting for "Week" to roll around at the top and be clicked quickly enough. But trashy stuff can drive out the good. That's especially so when it comes to commenters -- those at TakiMag became insufferable years ago, and they will degrade this site if they find a new home here.

    What Ron Unz has done, apparently on his own out of a truly generous spirit and belief in free speech, is too easily taken for granted.

    I’m not sure if I should describe this complaint as pearl clutching or as a “get off my lawn” moment on your part. Perhaps a little of both.

    There is plenty of “trash” posted at Unz in the comment section, but maybe because the general message of that trash is more in line with whatever your world view is, you are more forgiving of it.

    If you prefer sterile discussion under the weight of heavy moderation, I suggest you venture to the websites that require payment for such a safe space.

    Otherwise, embrace the fruits of open discussion, my anonymous friend (were you anonymous on Taki’s as well?), and learn to dismiss what offends you.

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    Mike, the more I read his comments, the more he sounds like JJS.

    Probably not, though, as he's yet to shake the bars of his cage in rage at anyone.
    , @anonymous
    See my last upthread — I just don’t want to have to navigate around juvenile comments.
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  142. @Anonymous

    Sorry, but there are already many of us here, some of whom were posting here before Taki’s closed the comments section there.
     
    You were a latecomer to TakiMag Comments. Back in 2012, 2013, even 2014, TakiMag had a majority of intelligent commenters. IMO, it went wacky when overloaded with Goad and Sailer followers. (And, yes, I notice Goad now feels he has sufficient columnist "presence" to begin writing more carefully-considered articles and opinions.) Taki's was lively and intelligent for a good three years before deliquescing into stupid, squalling, uninformed racism and knee-jerk Jew-hate.

    I've ventured on Unz since shortly-after startup. Unz, possibly because of his clunky comment software, has always been home to the more tedious, long-winded, self-important puffers on the planet. My god, page after page of dimwitted (and religious) exhortations, predictions, and moronic "analysis" from barely post-adolescent self-perceived military advisers, and sage, pontificating counselors of urban affluence.

    Well, for now, it's all there is. And probably soon to be snuffed by our newly all-powerful, ruthlessly fascist "Deep State".

    I was there when Gavin was still cool, years before he went to the trouble of writing an article about how much he hated us, the Takiariat. Even though it was his “Pod Person” article that pulled me in, somewhere around 2010.

    I wouldn’t say the commenting is better here, but there is more diversity of opinion. There’s always someone you can argue with, isn’t there?

    There are people here, and I’ve written this before, who probably tell their mechanic how to fix their cars, and doubtless argue with their doctors. They are subject matter experts on whatever the subject happens to be. I’ve met people like this in real life, and hated being around them.

    There are some great commenters here, who I often look for. I enjoy their take on certain subjects. As you might guess, you’re not included in this number.

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    There are some great commenters here, who I often look for. I enjoy their take on certain subjects. As you might guess, you’re not included in this number.
     
    There are, occasionally, presentations that show evidence of preparation and forethought. There are some horribly lengthy comments that ramble on and on semi- or incoherently. More than a handful evidence some degree of mental failure, usually schizoid in nature. As for you, wouldn't you be happier writing the occasional travelogue, or perhaps a few rural set-pieces framing your beloved Southland?

    Politics, in the USA and probably elsewhere, is corrupt throughout. In the US, any governmental actions that take place at the state or local levels are bound into regional corruption. It's a game; elections have little impact, but candidates use them to soak up money from the crowd, and maybe -- maybe -- get a bit of combined party power in the state house. They are crooks to the core.

    At the national and federal level, Israel's wishes reigns supreme, followed by coalitions of the wealthy -- if an when they find it in their interest to form a coalition, partnership, interest group, PAC, etc. 100% corrupt, 100% a function of what the rich want, where greed prevails, buffered by traces of individual hubris and some bizarre activities that one assumes goes back to their childhoods. Or something weird, 'cause it sure as all hell ain't charitable public spirit.

    The country -- good ol' USA -- trundles along, shredding-off pieces of the national ethos, of the fabric that once held us together. The powerful roadster of American industrial capitalism is now a rusted Model A with four flat tires. And the rich sure as hell don't give a shit. Why should they?
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  143. @prusmc
    What you said is 100 percent right on about Taki's comments. That being said, I felt I was mature enough to separate the trash from the treasure.

    That’s the way I dealt with it. The “First” thing did get a little annoying. Most of the “trash” was the result of a new troll, or an old troll with a new handle (JJS, is that you?), with whom some of the thinner skinned would feed with buttsore replies. There was ALWAYS one in the bunch; every day.

    On the other hand, damn, I had some good times there. Some articles just brought out the best thread of running comments I’ve ever read on the internet – including here. Dalrymple’s famous Ode to the Wood Louse comes to mind. I had a Hell of a fine day when Gavin’s, I Hate You People article posted. I had a great time.

    The only real trouble I ever had there was with Kathy Shaidle. She posted yet another Canadia Punk article, but this time threw an extra Catholic School Girl angle on it. I was lost, as far as personal experience goes. It was all foreign to me.

    My comment was, “I’ll wait on Boris to explain this one to me.” Boris being, of course, the resident observant Catholic, I figured he could enlighten me on SOME of it. What did a boomer raised Baptist in South Carolina know about growing up as a punk Canadian Catholic school girl? It’s not like anybody wrote a book about it.

    She went off on me in the comments. Then she posted her comments to Twitter. I was in her next article, in the role of the dumb country Bumpkin, who couldn’t into Punk Catholic Canadian. I just stopped reading and following her after that.

    I go to the meeting place, but not as much as I used to. I posted a few articles, too. It’s fun, but too many people are still missing. It’s not like TWTP on Sunday mornings.

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    I went to that disqus channel once. I posted a link to the first TWTP (after Taki disabled comments) to get a conversation going and after 100 comments that Eva Braun mod deleted it, along with a bunch of comments in another thread asking WTF? I'll never go back.
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  144. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'm not sure if I should describe this complaint as pearl clutching or as a "get off my lawn" moment on your part. Perhaps a little of both.

    There is plenty of "trash" posted at Unz in the comment section, but maybe because the general message of that trash is more in line with whatever your world view is, you are more forgiving of it.

    If you prefer sterile discussion under the weight of heavy moderation, I suggest you venture to the websites that require payment for such a safe space.

    Otherwise, embrace the fruits of open discussion, my anonymous friend (were you anonymous on Taki's as well?), and learn to dismiss what offends you.

    Mike, the more I read his comments, the more he sounds like JJS.

    Probably not, though, as he’s yet to shake the bars of his cage in rage at anyone.

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    I don't remember a JJS from Taki, but then again I was only there for maybe 18 months before comments went away.

    Boris would be a great addition here.

    Shaidle is terrible. The most dull type of navel gazing from a bitter woman mad that she wasn't prettier. Why she thought anyone cared about her pseudo rebellious youth is a mystery: Catholic raised youth rejects her parents' faith by wearing dark makeup and listening to bad music. Like we haven't seen that yarn spun over a million times the last 50 years.
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  145. @RebelWriter
    That's the way I dealt with it. The "First" thing did get a little annoying. Most of the "trash" was the result of a new troll, or an old troll with a new handle (JJS, is that you?), with whom some of the thinner skinned would feed with buttsore replies. There was ALWAYS one in the bunch; every day.

    On the other hand, damn, I had some good times there. Some articles just brought out the best thread of running comments I've ever read on the internet - including here. Dalrymple's famous Ode to the Wood Louse comes to mind. I had a Hell of a fine day when Gavin's, I Hate You People article posted. I had a great time.

    The only real trouble I ever had there was with Kathy Shaidle. She posted yet another Canadia Punk article, but this time threw an extra Catholic School Girl angle on it. I was lost, as far as personal experience goes. It was all foreign to me.

    My comment was, "I'll wait on Boris to explain this one to me." Boris being, of course, the resident observant Catholic, I figured he could enlighten me on SOME of it. What did a boomer raised Baptist in South Carolina know about growing up as a punk Canadian Catholic school girl? It's not like anybody wrote a book about it.

    She went off on me in the comments. Then she posted her comments to Twitter. I was in her next article, in the role of the dumb country Bumpkin, who couldn't into Punk Catholic Canadian. I just stopped reading and following her after that.

    I go to the meeting place, but not as much as I used to. I posted a few articles, too. It's fun, but too many people are still missing. It's not like TWTP on Sunday mornings.

    I went to that disqus channel once. I posted a link to the first TWTP (after Taki disabled comments) to get a conversation going and after 100 comments that Eva Braun mod deleted it, along with a bunch of comments in another thread asking WTF? I’ll never go back.

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    Jim Goad is a favorite. Unfortunately, he is somewhat like Fred Reed: erratic. Today's offering at Taki is something he had to hurry in order to meet a deadline. Apparently, in his later life he disproved the old adage (girl friend wise) once you go black you don't go back.
    , @Anonymous

    I went to that disqus channel once. I posted a link to the first TWTP (after Taki disabled comments) to get a conversation going and after 100 comments that Eva Braun mod deleted it,
     
    ROFL. Good old Theodora. I checked the place once, noted there were 6 moderators of fevered Catholic intensity. Shucks, they're welcome to it -- no skin off my ass.
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  146. @RebelWriter
    Mike, the more I read his comments, the more he sounds like JJS.

    Probably not, though, as he's yet to shake the bars of his cage in rage at anyone.

    I don’t remember a JJS from Taki, but then again I was only there for maybe 18 months before comments went away.

    Boris would be a great addition here.

    Shaidle is terrible. The most dull type of navel gazing from a bitter woman mad that she wasn’t prettier. Why she thought anyone cared about her pseudo rebellious youth is a mystery: Catholic raised youth rejects her parents’ faith by wearing dark makeup and listening to bad music. Like we haven’t seen that yarn spun over a million times the last 50 years.

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  147. Liza says:
    @prusmc
    Attialiathon ( spelling)

    You may have been writing about it 10 years ago but I was worried about globalization 29 years ago. PAT Buchanan was writing about it and "Ross for Boss Perot was raving about it and campaigning about it. Of all my mistakes in voting, I regret voting for Bush I most. The others I regret were votes against somebody: Gore, Kerry, and Obama.

    Of all my mistakes in voting, I regret voting for Bush I most.

    I know you were talking about Bush #1, but remember Bush #2 during his campaign? He sounded not unlike Mr. Drumpf. You know – no overseas wars, peaceful foreign policy, try and get along, etc.

    Time for everybody to stop believing politicians. It is getting to the point where I judge people’s intelligence/stupidity by how enthusiastic they are about voting on election day.

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  148. prusmc says: • Website
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    I went to that disqus channel once. I posted a link to the first TWTP (after Taki disabled comments) to get a conversation going and after 100 comments that Eva Braun mod deleted it, along with a bunch of comments in another thread asking WTF? I'll never go back.

    Jim Goad is a favorite. Unfortunately, he is somewhat like Fred Reed: erratic. Today’s offering at Taki is something he had to hurry in order to meet a deadline. Apparently, in his later life he disproved the old adage (girl friend wise) once you go black you don’t go back.

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  149. Anonymous[660] • Disclaimer says:
    @RebelWriter
    I was there when Gavin was still cool, years before he went to the trouble of writing an article about how much he hated us, the Takiariat. Even though it was his "Pod Person" article that pulled me in, somewhere around 2010.

    I wouldn't say the commenting is better here, but there is more diversity of opinion. There's always someone you can argue with, isn't there?

    There are people here, and I've written this before, who probably tell their mechanic how to fix their cars, and doubtless argue with their doctors. They are subject matter experts on whatever the subject happens to be. I've met people like this in real life, and hated being around them.

    There are some great commenters here, who I often look for. I enjoy their take on certain subjects. As you might guess, you're not included in this number.

    There are some great commenters here, who I often look for. I enjoy their take on certain subjects. As you might guess, you’re not included in this number.

    There are, occasionally, presentations that show evidence of preparation and forethought. There are some horribly lengthy comments that ramble on and on semi- or incoherently. More than a handful evidence some degree of mental failure, usually schizoid in nature. As for you, wouldn’t you be happier writing the occasional travelogue, or perhaps a few rural set-pieces framing your beloved Southland?

    Politics, in the USA and probably elsewhere, is corrupt throughout. In the US, any governmental actions that take place at the state or local levels are bound into regional corruption. It’s a game; elections have little impact, but candidates use them to soak up money from the crowd, and maybe — maybe — get a bit of combined party power in the state house. They are crooks to the core.

    At the national and federal level, Israel’s wishes reigns supreme, followed by coalitions of the wealthy — if an when they find it in their interest to form a coalition, partnership, interest group, PAC, etc. 100% corrupt, 100% a function of what the rich want, where greed prevails, buffered by traces of individual hubris and some bizarre activities that one assumes goes back to their childhoods. Or something weird, ’cause it sure as all hell ain’t charitable public spirit.

    The country — good ol’ USA — trundles along, shredding-off pieces of the national ethos, of the fabric that once held us together. The powerful roadster of American industrial capitalism is now a rusted Model A with four flat tires. And the rich sure as hell don’t give a shit. Why should they?

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  150. Anonymous[660] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    I went to that disqus channel once. I posted a link to the first TWTP (after Taki disabled comments) to get a conversation going and after 100 comments that Eva Braun mod deleted it, along with a bunch of comments in another thread asking WTF? I'll never go back.

    I went to that disqus channel once. I posted a link to the first TWTP (after Taki disabled comments) to get a conversation going and after 100 comments that Eva Braun mod deleted it,

    ROFL. Good old Theodora. I checked the place once, noted there were 6 moderators of fevered Catholic intensity. Shucks, they’re welcome to it — no skin off my ass.

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  151. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'm not sure if I should describe this complaint as pearl clutching or as a "get off my lawn" moment on your part. Perhaps a little of both.

    There is plenty of "trash" posted at Unz in the comment section, but maybe because the general message of that trash is more in line with whatever your world view is, you are more forgiving of it.

    If you prefer sterile discussion under the weight of heavy moderation, I suggest you venture to the websites that require payment for such a safe space.

    Otherwise, embrace the fruits of open discussion, my anonymous friend (were you anonymous on Taki's as well?), and learn to dismiss what offends you.

    See my last upthread — I just don’t want to have to navigate around juvenile comments.

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  152. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

    The first mistake that hillbillies make is drugs. They get into them young. They are the kids the kids that are smoking pot in the 7th grade at an age when middle-class kids are sneaking a cigarette. By 14 or 16 they are deep into drug use. It used to be meth and percs, now it is hillbilly heroin.

    The second mistake they make is having kids young. Usually 19 or 20. Not kids exactly, but too young for the child fare well.

    If they simply did not reproduce young and avoided the hard drugs, they’d be alright.

    Also, hillbillies never travel. You’ll never meet a hillbilly woman abroad, for example.

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    I grew up in an upper middle class NYC suburb where people like regular a NYT columnist and various Wall St. types lived. I was a teenager during the 90's. The drug crowd got into weed/drugs around 7th grade and were then joined by some others early in high school. Some of the drug crowd were doing drugs like acid and ecstasy in 7th and 8th grade. A few badder ones did cocaine and methamphetamine at that age too. Ketamine was also big at the time with young kids and was still technically legal. These were all kids from "good families."

    What happened to them? A few totally destroyed their lives, others became burn out loser types and a large chunk got out of the drug scene later in high school up to their mid twenties and have kick ass lives now.

    Keep in mind that living a short train and subway ride to downtown Manhattan in the pre and early Giuliani era afforded massive opportunities for precocious degeneracy to those who sought it. No digital drivers licenses to scan for fakes at bars and clubs, just eyeballing. No enforcement of open containers or public weed use, except "pour it out, son." Night clubs open till 4am plus after hours spots. Bodegas all over that would sell alcohol to a ten year old.

    If you saw the movie Kids, that is realistic for how the wild crowd of teens acted, dressed and talked in 90's NYC and LA. Minus the ludicrous AIDS plot.

    Parts of the NYC area had a teen heroin OD death crisis in the 90's, but my town and HS were light on the heroin use.
    One public HS that serves some of America's wealthiest neighborhoods had several OD deaths in one year.

    What's happened since 2000 is that drug availability all over the country has caught up to what it always was in the biggest cities.
    , @iffen
    Also, hillbillies never travel.

    Why travel when you live in Almost Heaven?
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  153. @Stan d Mute

    what were the indices like for alcoholism, child abuse, etc among groups like unionized auto workers
     
    No data, but speaking anecdotally from a lifetime surrounded by UAW here in the HBD Mitten, the factory gates were surrounded by bars. On pay day, the shop rats (yep, that appellation was/is used) would trudge out, cross the street, cash their checks in the bar, and get so hammered they couldn’t make it home unassisted. They’d keep doing this until funds run were exhausted then dry out for a few days until the next payday. Others shot dope in the bathrooms of the factories and passed out on the lines.

    But many others formed solid middle class families, bought toys like snowmobiles and motorcycles, fishing boats and cabins ‘up north,’ etc. The really crafty ones figured out how to do things like steal expensive tools, car parts (even entire cars), sell drugs on the shop floor, and otherwise make a killing.

    This, in my opinion, really is about IQ. Stupid people are going to do stupid things. The bright kids who got UAW jobs were either skimmed off into management school (ie GMI) or just promoted to skilled trades or supervisory jobs on the shop floor. The dullards spent 20-30 years putting tab A into slot B.

    Ann Arbor native here.

    This is the most accurate description of factory life I have ever read.

    I had a roommate who quit college because he could make $20 an hour-huge money in 1993.

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  154. HILLBILLY EULOGY

    All the lower class whites of my youth came to lousy ends, has to be said.

    Stanley, the Polish-American guy who got a Polish-American Catholic girl pregnant and dropped out of college to run a Flint tanning salon now lived in a ghost town of crackheads and hookers in a house he could not give away on the market.

    Scott, the white trash quasi-badass pot-dealer of campus ended up living in a trailer with his mother at 40. He spent 3 years in jail for stabbing a guy in self-defense at a raucous party. He appealed the case and lost. He was flung into jail again for possession and DUI and by 40 was simply wiped out.

    Shelly, who’d had a kid at 19 with a brutish guy who left them both for a stripper whom he also abandoned, dropped out of college.

    They all ended up stuck in undesirable places, with no way out, having seen nothing of the planet earth and now 40 and living in property that they could never give away.

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  155. ATBOTL says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

    The first mistake that hillbillies make is drugs. They get into them young. They are the kids the kids that are smoking pot in the 7th grade at an age when middle-class kids are sneaking a cigarette. By 14 or 16 they are deep into drug use. It used to be meth and percs, now it is hillbilly heroin.

    The second mistake they make is having kids young. Usually 19 or 20. Not kids exactly, but too young for the child fare well.

    If they simply did not reproduce young and avoided the hard drugs, they'd be alright.

    Also, hillbillies never travel. You'll never meet a hillbilly woman abroad, for example.

    I grew up in an upper middle class NYC suburb where people like regular a NYT columnist and various Wall St. types lived. I was a teenager during the 90′s. The drug crowd got into weed/drugs around 7th grade and were then joined by some others early in high school. Some of the drug crowd were doing drugs like acid and ecstasy in 7th and 8th grade. A few badder ones did cocaine and methamphetamine at that age too. Ketamine was also big at the time with young kids and was still technically legal. These were all kids from “good families.”

    What happened to them? A few totally destroyed their lives, others became burn out loser types and a large chunk got out of the drug scene later in high school up to their mid twenties and have kick ass lives now.

    Keep in mind that living a short train and subway ride to downtown Manhattan in the pre and early Giuliani era afforded massive opportunities for precocious degeneracy to those who sought it. No digital drivers licenses to scan for fakes at bars and clubs, just eyeballing. No enforcement of open containers or public weed use, except “pour it out, son.” Night clubs open till 4am plus after hours spots. Bodegas all over that would sell alcohol to a ten year old.

    If you saw the movie Kids, that is realistic for how the wild crowd of teens acted, dressed and talked in 90′s NYC and LA. Minus the ludicrous AIDS plot.

    Parts of the NYC area had a teen heroin OD death crisis in the 90′s, but my town and HS were light on the heroin use.
    One public HS that serves some of America’s wealthiest neighborhoods had several OD deaths in one year.

    What’s happened since 2000 is that drug availability all over the country has caught up to what it always was in the biggest cities.

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    Special K.

    Yes, whatever happened to the drugs of yesteryear?
    , @Jeff Stryker
    The difference between these upper class teens and the lower class ones comes down to reproduction. Upper class girls and women will be aware of birth control and MOST will not get pregnant.

    10 years later nobody cares if you were Jeff Spicoli in high school.

    But if you have a kid at 18 or 20, it does matter. Because the chances are you are not going to be able to attend university or acquire a degree.
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  156. ATBOTL says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    I am 1/4 Scotch-Irish. And they were the sort of hardened people who, in the 1740s, squatted on land in Adams County PA, in defiance of the Penn family's wishes. The Scotch-Irish generally started on the Pennsylvania frontier (where I still live) before moving south and west. And, yes, you are correct to warn RebelWriter about the tendency among Scotch-Irish and maybe Southerners to overly romanticize the Scotch-Irish or "Celtic" part of American culture. There were plenty of people besides the Scotch-Irish on the frontier. And calling the American Revolution a Scotch-Irish one is simply a gross exaggeration. Men like Daniel Morgan, or the Overmountain Boys, certainly had a vital impact, but the *ideological* heart of the Revolution probably came more the from Anglicans in Virginia and the middle colonies, and Calvinist Yankees, than it did from the Scotch-Irish.

    Over emphasizing “Celtic” identity among British Protestant Americans is an early form of the flight from white.

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  157. @ATBOTL
    I grew up in an upper middle class NYC suburb where people like regular a NYT columnist and various Wall St. types lived. I was a teenager during the 90's. The drug crowd got into weed/drugs around 7th grade and were then joined by some others early in high school. Some of the drug crowd were doing drugs like acid and ecstasy in 7th and 8th grade. A few badder ones did cocaine and methamphetamine at that age too. Ketamine was also big at the time with young kids and was still technically legal. These were all kids from "good families."

    What happened to them? A few totally destroyed their lives, others became burn out loser types and a large chunk got out of the drug scene later in high school up to their mid twenties and have kick ass lives now.

    Keep in mind that living a short train and subway ride to downtown Manhattan in the pre and early Giuliani era afforded massive opportunities for precocious degeneracy to those who sought it. No digital drivers licenses to scan for fakes at bars and clubs, just eyeballing. No enforcement of open containers or public weed use, except "pour it out, son." Night clubs open till 4am plus after hours spots. Bodegas all over that would sell alcohol to a ten year old.

    If you saw the movie Kids, that is realistic for how the wild crowd of teens acted, dressed and talked in 90's NYC and LA. Minus the ludicrous AIDS plot.

    Parts of the NYC area had a teen heroin OD death crisis in the 90's, but my town and HS were light on the heroin use.
    One public HS that serves some of America's wealthiest neighborhoods had several OD deaths in one year.

    What's happened since 2000 is that drug availability all over the country has caught up to what it always was in the biggest cities.

    Special K.

    Yes, whatever happened to the drugs of yesteryear?

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  158. @ATBOTL
    I grew up in an upper middle class NYC suburb where people like regular a NYT columnist and various Wall St. types lived. I was a teenager during the 90's. The drug crowd got into weed/drugs around 7th grade and were then joined by some others early in high school. Some of the drug crowd were doing drugs like acid and ecstasy in 7th and 8th grade. A few badder ones did cocaine and methamphetamine at that age too. Ketamine was also big at the time with young kids and was still technically legal. These were all kids from "good families."

    What happened to them? A few totally destroyed their lives, others became burn out loser types and a large chunk got out of the drug scene later in high school up to their mid twenties and have kick ass lives now.

    Keep in mind that living a short train and subway ride to downtown Manhattan in the pre and early Giuliani era afforded massive opportunities for precocious degeneracy to those who sought it. No digital drivers licenses to scan for fakes at bars and clubs, just eyeballing. No enforcement of open containers or public weed use, except "pour it out, son." Night clubs open till 4am plus after hours spots. Bodegas all over that would sell alcohol to a ten year old.

    If you saw the movie Kids, that is realistic for how the wild crowd of teens acted, dressed and talked in 90's NYC and LA. Minus the ludicrous AIDS plot.

    Parts of the NYC area had a teen heroin OD death crisis in the 90's, but my town and HS were light on the heroin use.
    One public HS that serves some of America's wealthiest neighborhoods had several OD deaths in one year.

    What's happened since 2000 is that drug availability all over the country has caught up to what it always was in the biggest cities.

    The difference between these upper class teens and the lower class ones comes down to reproduction. Upper class girls and women will be aware of birth control and MOST will not get pregnant.

    10 years later nobody cares if you were Jeff Spicoli in high school.

    But if you have a kid at 18 or 20, it does matter. Because the chances are you are not going to be able to attend university or acquire a degree.

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  159. Hello to every one, the contents existing at this
    site are truly remarkable for peoplle experience, well, keep up thhe gopd work fellows.

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  160. Randy says:
    @Anonymous

    WASP culture is the fruit of a Judaizing heresy that over time has largely re-paganized first one nationality and then, though its empire, the largest and wealthiest in world history, the entire world. WASP culture either will be opposed and defeated, or it will continue its natural life path toward civilizational vampirism and ultimate collapse.

     

    Mother of God, you are fucking nuts. There is no such thing as WASP culture, and never has been. The term is an invention of the zionist press.

    WASP culture most certainly exists, or existed once. Think country clubs back in the day. The culture was patterned on Brits.

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  161. If you watched CADDYSHACK you got an idea of the WASP stratification of yesteryear. Irish-Catholics and Italians worked in the service sector. The judges and elites were Anglo-Saxons. Mexicans at that time were non-existent. Jews were new money (Dangerfield’s character).

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    If you watched CADDYSHACK you got an idea of the WASP stratification of yesteryear. Irish-Catholics and Italians worked in the service sector.
     
    Gosh, Jeffy! You should write a book! Maybe four, five books! Each one a factual, researched, footnoted description of how the only true things about America are what goyim pay to see in movies.

    Winner!
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  162. Anonymous[416] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    If you watched CADDYSHACK you got an idea of the WASP stratification of yesteryear. Irish-Catholics and Italians worked in the service sector. The judges and elites were Anglo-Saxons. Mexicans at that time were non-existent. Jews were new money (Dangerfield's character).

    If you watched CADDYSHACK you got an idea of the WASP stratification of yesteryear. Irish-Catholics and Italians worked in the service sector.

    Gosh, Jeffy! You should write a book! Maybe four, five books! Each one a factual, researched, footnoted description of how the only true things about America are what goyim pay to see in movies.

    Winner!

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  163. Jayeles says:

    I read Hillbilly Elegy. With thousands of positive reviews, I thought that it was a safe bet. Wrong! Arguably the worst book I ever read – and I read a lot. Inarguably the most overhyped book I ever read. This is the book that made me immediately stop trusting Amazon.com reviews. There is no way in hell that many people liked this book. I look for the author to run for political office some day. It reminds me of disgraced former Missouri governor Eric Greiten’s fake books. Thank god I didn’t waste my time on those.

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  164. @attilathehen
    Jim Goad is himself a mixed bag. I read his articles at Taki. He did time for hitting a woman. Any man who has to hit a woman to control her has serious issues. But to do time, that's worse. He had a black girlfriend. Fortunately, there was no issue. Goad has written he was a liberal and he used to live in California. He did stupid stuff with some Jewish ex-wife.

    I know about Goad's hard upbringing, but his adult years were degenerate and he now acts like some kind of conservative, nationalist. He and Vance are flip-sides of the same coin. Goad may now care about middle America but he wasted a lot of time to figure it out. Vance is a degenerate.

    I don’t believe I’ve ever read a more gross simplification of a man’s bio, even on the Internet. And so pithy!

    I’ve been reading Goad for 25 years. Aside from a few misguided years as a punk rock teenager in the mid-80’s, I’ve always been conservative. Without ticking off each ham-handed half truth like a laundry list, I’ll just address a couple. When Goad “hit a woman” (actually beat the living daylights out of her), this was a person who had routinely beaten him and threatened his life for months on end. And there’s proof. So to phrase it as you did, implying that maybe she was just late with his dinner, is a bit disingenuous.

    And “he now cares about middle America but took a long time getting there?” Really. Well, when you mention the “stupid stuff” he did with Debbie Goad, I assume you mean ANSWER Me!, which he published from ‘91-‘94. The Redneck book came out in ‘97, 21 years ago. That’s a total of six years in between. And he’s essentially been beating the drum in that direction ever since. I think you have some kind of axe to grind with him. Maybe it’s because he had a Jew wife. Maybe because nothing you ever do will even APPROACH what he’s achieved (including ANSWER Me!), but whatever it is, you can’t deny he gives voice to what people like you can only feel.

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  165. iffen says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

    The first mistake that hillbillies make is drugs. They get into them young. They are the kids the kids that are smoking pot in the 7th grade at an age when middle-class kids are sneaking a cigarette. By 14 or 16 they are deep into drug use. It used to be meth and percs, now it is hillbilly heroin.

    The second mistake they make is having kids young. Usually 19 or 20. Not kids exactly, but too young for the child fare well.

    If they simply did not reproduce young and avoided the hard drugs, they'd be alright.

    Also, hillbillies never travel. You'll never meet a hillbilly woman abroad, for example.

    Also, hillbillies never travel.

    Why travel when you live in Almost Heaven?

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    They used to stream up to Southeast Michigan.
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  166. @iffen
    Also, hillbillies never travel.

    Why travel when you live in Almost Heaven?

    They used to stream up to Southeast Michigan.

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    Without checking the facts, I would assert that if you checked on who travels to the Holy Land you might find a few. So maybe they just don't move in the same circle as you.
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  167. iffen says:
    @Jeff Stryker
    They used to stream up to Southeast Michigan.

    Without checking the facts, I would assert that if you checked on who travels to the Holy Land you might find a few. So maybe they just don’t move in the same circle as you.

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  168. J.D. Vance

    is the NY Jews’ pet aboriginal White Man from flyover country.

    every 5 minutes he’s bloviating on NPR, CNN, Yahoo, or

    out on the college lecture circuit. Just your typical White

    shabbatz goy.

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    On White Poverty

    Rural Ohio poverty IS A JOKE compared to the poverty of newly-arrived Eastern Europeans or Cuban whites.

    Nor is Vance's background THAT challenging. Did he grow up in a violent ghetto like many Polish whites in Detroit or Flint or many Armenian whites in Los Angeles?

    Middleton, Ohio is the sticks and he was raised by his grandparents. So what?

    Jews, for that matter, arrived in the US in HORRENDOUS poverty. In the last four generations they've risen out of it.

    Heroin pills? Sorry, but Flyover whites get hooked on this drug and got hooked on meth before it because they were stupid (For the main part).

    I'm a Flyover White of German descent...German-Americans in the Flyover have produced some awful specimens like Dahmer and Gein but overall people with names like Hedelwurst living in Milwaukee are not associated with white trash...its people with Scottish names like Locklear.
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  169. I don’t understand why Appalachians, as oppose to German-Americans from the Upper Midwest or Irish-Catholics from Massachusetts, are trapped in such a cycle of poverty.

    German-Americans in Milwaukee are not sinking in a quagmire of alcoholism, child molestation, broken families, drug abuse, petty crime, illiteracy.

    What plagues Anglo-Celtics from the region of Appalachia?

    Other groups-Irish, Germans, Polish, Italians-arrived penniless from Europe long after “400 years of slavery” among Appalachians.

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  170. @Haxo Angmark
    J.D. Vance

    is the NY Jews' pet aboriginal White Man from flyover country.

    every 5 minutes he's bloviating on NPR, CNN, Yahoo, or

    out on the college lecture circuit. Just your typical White

    shabbatz goy.

    On White Poverty

    Rural Ohio poverty IS A JOKE compared to the poverty of newly-arrived Eastern Europeans or Cuban whites.

    Nor is Vance’s background THAT challenging. Did he grow up in a violent ghetto like many Polish whites in Detroit or Flint or many Armenian whites in Los Angeles?

    Middleton, Ohio is the sticks and he was raised by his grandparents. So what?

    Jews, for that matter, arrived in the US in HORRENDOUS poverty. In the last four generations they’ve risen out of it.

    Heroin pills? Sorry, but Flyover whites get hooked on this drug and got hooked on meth before it because they were stupid (For the main part).

    I’m a Flyover White of German descent…German-Americans in the Flyover have produced some awful specimens like Dahmer and Gein but overall people with names like Hedelwurst living in Milwaukee are not associated with white trash…its people with Scottish names like Locklear.

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  171. @Colin Wright
    '...Barack Obama’s finger-wagging about rural losers who bitterly cling to guns and Bibles...'

    It's interesting to think about Barack Obama's background and education and realize he must have known almost literally nothing about the class whereof he spoke.

    Compare and contrast to most presidents I can think of; one way or another, they knew average Americans. Did Obama? Had he even met the majority of the people he essayed to rule?

    In that sense at least, Obama may have been one of the most ignorant presidents we've ever had. He wasn't even aware of who most Americans were. For him, the average American might as well have been a Hottentot.

    Worse yet than his lack of knowledge for the poor whites in Ohio… Obama didn’t even understand blacks. This dude was educated in private schools and raised by white folks. In Hawaii… thousands of miles from an actual hood.

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