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The admission by the White House that two western hostages were killed by an errant drone strike in Pakistan serves as only an ugly little footnote to what has been nearly fifteen years of undeclared war waged by Washington against a large part of the world. The New York Times notes that “…most individuals killed [by drones] are not on a kill list, and the government does not know their names,” adding that “the proliferating mistakes have given drones a sinister reputation in Pakistan and Yemen and have provoked a powerful anti-American backlash in the Muslim world.”

The most recent ex-judicial killings come on the heels of a report by the highly respected Nobel prize winning Physicians for Social Responsibility that reveals that more than 1.3 million people were killed during the first ten years post 9/11 as part of the so-called “global war on terror” (GWOT) in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan alone. The GWOT has been euphemized by the current Administration as “overseas contingency operations,” which has a nicer sound and does not appear to be so preemptive or premeditated. The relabeling also suggests that the process is both responsive and occasional, which it is not as it has been the driving component of American foreign policy since 2001 until the present day.

The report by the physicians received only limited coverage in the U.S. media. As one might reasonably add Syria, Libya, Somalia and Yemen to the carnage and update the numbers on Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan for all areas where the U.S. in engaged militarily the current total might easily exceed two million or more. The report stresses that the estimate of the dead is “conservative” based on the most reliable sources, suggesting that there are large numbers of deaths that have been reported but could not be confirmed.

To be sure not all of those millions of potential war on terror victims were killed by American bullets or bombs but their deaths are the consequence of ill-advised military interventions and operations to destabilize and replace existing governments, starting with the Taliban and continuing in the present with operations directed against Syria. Iran is the next intended target, one should reasonably presume.

American deaths represent only a tiny percentage of the overall toll, even if one includes the victims of 9/11, less than 10,000 total, which in no way should suggest that it diminishes the impact of those losses on individual families and communities. And the cost in dollars has also been devastating. Economist Joseph Stiglitz of Columbia University has estimated that Iraq alone will cost over five trillion dollars before all the debts and legacy expenses relating to it are paid and that does not include the current re-engagement in that country by the U.S. military.

Perhaps not surprisingly, the killing of more than a million people and the spending of trillions of dollars has not made terrorism go away. On the contrary, it now threatens to take over the Arab heartland and metastasize into Europe and the United States after some of ISIS’s own volunteer “wounded warriors” return home. That is because the policies driving the American interventions have been effectively and consistently based on a number of misconceptions, most notably that it is possible to use force to remake in one’s own image ancient cultures that possess their own values and ways of doing things.

The unrelenting expansion of Washington’s military role is consequently little more than a simplistic response to many diverse overseas developments that are poorly understood, most of which are not actually genuine threats to the United States. This is demonstrated by the White House decision to extend the U.S. terrorism fight to the entire continent of Africa and also by the militarization of the ill-conceived campaign against Ebola, which was described as a “national security threat.”

Ironically, terrorism was clearly a dying profession, both literally and metaphorically before Washington stepped in recently to revive it. In 2011 terrorist attacks were down 12% from 2010 and 29% from 2007. Most attacks, and most victims, roughly 65%, came from Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Nigeria, and Somalia, all war zones where security is poor. Engaged in conflicts that are frequently better describable as civil wars, the terrorist-designated groups bomb and execute their opponents and are on the receiving end of a corresponding government response as a consequence. Each shooting or bombing is therefore counted as a terrorist attack. Al-Qaeda, the gold-standard terrorist group, has long been in sharp decline, being upstaged by more radical groups like ISIS.

For me, the physicians’ report’s statistics revealing a pattern of worldwide carnage invites both horror and a cost/benefit analysis. Collateral damage that is killing civilians in the hundreds of thousands is hard to justify by any metric, but if a country is actually threatened with extinction there is at least an argument to be made. So the question must be asked, “Even given the current revival of terrorism in the Middle East, is the United States actually under siege by terrorism as reflected from the number of Americans who were actually victimized in 2013 (the most recent year when the the State Department has compiled the numbers)?” And “What is Washington spending and doing to deal with the threat? And why?”

Even when one includes all U.S. passport holders or permanent residents in the tally of those directly affected, the numbers are disappointing for those who have imagined a world awash with militants all of whom are seeking Americans to kill while simultaneously planning to travel to the United States so they can blow themselves up in Times Square. In 2013, only four Americans were killed by terrorists inside the United States, all by the Tsarnaev brothers as part of the Boston Marathon bombing and its aftermath. Only twelve American citizens were kidnapped by overseas terrorists in that year (11 in Libya, Syria and Nigeria, all of which were war zones), and only 16 were killed in foreign lands (12 in Afghanistan). Not to minimize in any way the horror of becoming a terrorist victim, the numbers are only 0.3% of all terror-related kidnappings and only 0.1% of terror-related killings. Most, possibly 97%, of people killed or kidnapped worldwide are Muslims targeted by indigenous groups that are fighting to change or take control of their own governments. Micah Zenko of the Council on Foreign Relations has determined that the number of Americans killed in terrorist attacks is comparable to the number crushed to death by falling television sets or furniture each year.

The insight that only a minuscule number of Americans actually become terrorism victims raises a question: “What does Washington do to counter the terrorist threat and how much does it cost?” The “what” part is easily answered as the national government has grown dramatically since 9/11 due to fear of terrorism, meaning that the response is to hire more people. There are currently 4.2 million full time federal employees, both military and civilian, supplemented by nearly 500,000 national guardsmen and 400,000 reservists. Defenders of the hiring argue that the number is roughly the same as in 2001, but they fail to account for the massive hiring of contractors, who are not included, Most of those new hires were directly related to the War on Terror for manning the 200 new military and CIA bases that have sprung up around the world and to serve as Fortress America’s defenders. More than half of the employees in key sectors within the intelligence community and at the Defense Department are reported to be contractors, who cost roughly three times as much as staff employees.

As for the costs, the numbers are not precise as overall budgets tend to roll many items in together, but a useful way of addressing the problem is to subtract the federal budget in 2001 from the budget today in the key areas relating to defense, intelligence, and homeland security to determine what the war on terror costs.

The Federal Government is currently operating under a continuing resolution but the budget proposed by the White House is $3.9 trillion for 2015 compared with $1.863 trillion in 2001, $564 billion of which will be debt, reversing 2001’s budget surplus of $127 billion and raising the U.S. total debt to above 100% of Gross Domestic Product. The Department of Homeland Security’s share is $38 billion for 180,000 employees, the intelligence agencies get an estimated $100 billion and employ 100,000, the FBI with 35,000 permanent employees has over $8 billion, and the Department of Defense receives $555 billion, which does not include special appropriations for the war in Afghanistan. In 2001, the Pentagon budget was $277 billion. When all the increases are added up and compared to the baseline of 2001, the war on terror currently costs the American taxpayer more than $500 billion per year directly without including legacy costs like health care for disabled veterans, of which there are tens of thousands. As there may be only 100 or so terrorists capable and willing to stage an attack on the United States directly, that works out to something like $5 billion per year per terrorist.

And that is only at the federal level. Most states now have their own departments of homeland security, and nearly all have dramatically increased both the numbers and firepower of their police forces. There is full-time security manning the entrances of nearly all federal and state and even some local and municipal office buildings. The total costs of state and local expenditures to counter the essentially overstated terrorist threat might well exceed the federal expenditures, and then there is the spending on security, often mandated by the government, in the key areas of the private sector.

So we Americans have killed directly or indirectly maybe a million people, destabilized or overthrown at least four governments, and trashed our own economy while spending something like $1 trillion per year to protect ourselves against a threat that would have been easily containable before we started engineering global solutions. And let’s not forget that we created al-Qaeda and also enabled ISIS by destroying Iraq and supporting the resistance in Syria. Doesn’t make much sense. And more and better is on the horizon. Republican candidates for presidents across the board want to increase defense (sic) spending, Senator Tom Cotton calling for a more than 50% increase to $900 billion per year. And they are itching to start another war with Iran. Cotton says that strategic air strikes will do the trick in a few days. If Paul Wolfowitz were still around he would be telling us that the enterprise would pay for itself. Some people might even believe them.

 
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  1. Don Nash says:

    “The most recent ex-judicial killings come on the heels of a report by the highly respected Nobel prize winning Physicians for Social Responsibility that reveals that more than 1.3 million people were killed during the first ten years post 9/11 as part of the so-called “global war of terror” (GWOT) in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan alone.”
    Gosh, would 1.3 million people killed be considered genocide?

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    "Gosh, would 1.3 million people killed be considered genocide?"

    Only if they weren't killed by Israel or the USA.
    , @Eternal Vigilance
    A fresh reminder....Dyslectic leftist Americans facilitate worldwide terror!

    In their leftist PC posture they are enablers of destruction and bestialities around the world! They weep and wail about church destructions, beheadings, kidnappings, murder of Christians, rape of women, kidnappings of children…BUT…they can NOT seem to Pin-Point the Problem, it is way too complicated!! But then, the left is averse to common sense and mathematics so maybe this will help them!

    Bob Rice, Mechanicsburg, PA
    ************************

    ADD IT UP LEFTISTS…TWO + TWO = FOUR

    The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
    The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
    The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
    The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
    The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
    The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
    The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
    The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
    The Moscow Theater Attackers were Muslims
    The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
    The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
    The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
    The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
    The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
    The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
    The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
    The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
    The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
    The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
    The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
    The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
    The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
    The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
    The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
    The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims

    Think of it:

    Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
    Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
    Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
    Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
    Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
    Confucians living with Baha'is = No Problem
    Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
    Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
    Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
    Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
    Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
    Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
    Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
    Christians living with Jews = No Problem
    Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
    Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
    Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
    Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
    Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

    Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
    Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
    Muslims living with Christians = Problem
    Muslims living with Jews = Problem
    Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
    Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
    Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
    Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
    Muslims living with homosexuals = Problem
    MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

    **********SO*****************

    They're not happy in Gaza
    They're not happy in Egypt
    They're not happy in Libya
    They're not happy in Morocco
    They're not happy in Iran
    They're not happy in Iraq
    They're not happy in Yemen
    They're not happy in Afghanistan
    They're not happy in Pakistan
    They're not happy in Syria
    They're not happy in Lebanon
    They're not happy in Nigeria
    They're not happy in Kenya
    They're not happy in Sudan

    ******** So, where are they happy? **********

    They're happy in Australia
    They're happy in England
    They're happy in Belgium
    They're happy in France
    They're happy in Italy
    They're happy in Germany
    They're happy in Sweden
    They're happy in the USA & Canada
    They're happy in Norway & India

    They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! But they seem to thrive on everybody being unhappy including themselves so, logically, they spend most of their time looking for ways to make everyone unhappy!

    WHO DO THEY BLAME FOR THEIR UNHAPPINESS?
    Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves, THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY MOVED TO TO BE HAPPY IN!!

    And they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will get hammered!

    Islamic Jihad: THE FUNDAMENTAL TACTIC FOR SPREADING MUSLIM ISLAMIC TERROR AROUND THE WORLD!
    ISIS : AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    AND A LOT MORE …

    And the left just can’t figure out who's causing the problem ???

    So we elected one of them to our White House to Fundamentally Transform America so that everyone can be unhappy OR DEAD!!!
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  2. One would think that our exceptional nation, has exceptionally stupid leaders, or at least those who are making exceptionally stupid decisions. But then, taking leave of one’s senses, does of late have a decidedly egalitarian cast. In the spirit of Mencken, we may all just be getting what the majority deserve, in a decrepit democracy.

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    Fran Macadam:

    we may all just be getting what the majority deserve, in a decrepit democracy.
     
    What is the responsibility of the "majority" in relation to the responsibility of their leaders (where leaders includes idea-leaders as well as elected leaders)?

    Is it the responsibility of the majority to hold the leadership to account?
    If the agreed-upon ways of 'holding to account' fail, does the majority have the right or even obligation to rebel against their leadership, even to the extent of delivering vigilante justice?

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8581.htm

    Meyrav Wurmser said that she and her "loving group" "knew that their ideas were influencing the lives of millions . . ." and that "their ideas were being put to the test."

    Richard Perle, a member of that group, said that their ideas were influencing the president of the USA.

    Should those people be held to account?
    How?
    , @annamaria
    Their decisions are superbly intelligent from the point of view of various war profiteers. The demolition of democracy was a prerequisite for making these decisions.
    , @Realist
    "In the spirit of Mencken, we may all just be getting what the majority deserve, in a decrepit democracy."

    All Democracies are decrepit. Democracy is the most corrupt form of government.
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  3. Just a couple of days ago I came across an outspoken Obama-supporting “liberal” and self-professed ready-for-Hillary Clinton-in-2016er on another site who claimed that by living in the same countries and cities as “anti American terrorists”, civilians had to accept risks and couldn’t complain if they were “accidentally” targeted. And this is a so-called American “liberal”. Id it any surprise that the bankruptcy and collapse of the Imperialist States of Amerikastan will be greeted by wild cheers across the planet?

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  4. So we Americans have killed directly or indirectly maybe a million people

    I doubt the ‘maybe.’ Four years ago there were already credible estimates of one million dead in Iraq due to health related issues stemming from the destruction of that nation’s infrastructure. Now, adding in Syria, almost certainly the numbers are by far too conservative.

    And let’s not forget that we created al-Qaeda and also enabled ISIS by destroying Iraq and supporting the resistance in Syria

    This could be more clear; we created what became al-Qaeda with our endeavors in Afghanistan in the 1980s, opening the door to their resurgence in Iraq; with the overthrow of the secular Bath regime of Saddam. ISIS is a secondary development born of the Sunnis of Iraq had been 1) terrorized by the efforts of David Petraeus 1st Iraq tour with American support for Shia run torture centers and death squads:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2013/mar/06/james-steele-america-iraq-video

    And after, the Petraeus inspired Sunni ‘awakening councils’ (ostensibly created to fight al-Qaeda) provided significant trained manpower, left unemployed, that would join with alienated Sunnis from across the spectrum (Bathists, al-Qaeda inspired Iraqis and foreign volunteers) of which a large portion would be organized and tested in neighboring Syria and morph into Islamic State, spilling back into Iraq. The USA set up the civil war in Iraq almost as though it had been strategically planned. Are our generals that stupid? After all, they’re responsible for laying out the military strategies adopted by our executive. Did anyone at the Pentagon ever stand up and state ‘none of this will do anything other than create larger problems’ ? Not that I can recall. Is their hubris that great? The strategies were destined to fail from incubation. How did that happen?

    No small detail in all of this (my view) is the GWOT baseline or September, 2001. If this is going to be the defining reference point, there is a sort of ‘which came first’ question, 9/11 or GWOT? There are simply too many unanswered questions:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/05/12/1617/

    ^

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    No small detail in all of this (my view) is the GWOT baseline or September, 2001. If this is going to be the defining reference point, there is a sort of ‘which came first’ question, 9/11 or GWOT?
     
    The GWOT was designed by (failed) architect Benjamin Netanyahu and his psychopath father and acolyte to revisionist zionism terror-master Benzion Netanyahu. The blueprint was rolled out in July 1979 at the Jerusalem Conference. George H W Bush, George Schultz, George Will, a few of the neocons (Midge Decter iirc) were at least present if not participants. G H W Bush made a presentation. Benjamin Netanyahu compiled the speeches into his first book, "International Terrorism: Challenge and Response." He's retooled the same material several times under different titles and marketed it, to supplement his wife's soda-bottle deposits I guess.

    However, inasmuch as terror master Jabotinsky was the senior Netanyahu's hero back in the 1940s when Jabotinsky toured USA raising money for the zionist invasion and occupation of Palestine, and organizing the militant violence-dealing wing of zionism, while Benzion worked the political system in Washington and New York, achieving, by the time of the 1944 presidential election, inclusion in the platforms of both parties support for a Jewish state in Palestine, it's reasonable to view WWII (and its run-up) as the "GWOT baseline" and Jabotinsky and his terror colleagues as its architects. They might also be described as the originators of 20th century fascism.

    , @SolontoCroesus
    Jeff Gates and Anthony Lawson covered those "small details" of the GWOT, and reviewed the "strategic planning" , game theory likely headed by Robert Auman at Hebrew University's Center for Study of Rationality.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/01/19/new-jeff-gates-video-israels-role-in-terrorism/

    part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNjb1MGmGDc

    part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxhMmjDlIC0

    part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrkpcbmXAWE

    Trivia: Immediately upon his return from a meeting of "international Jewry" in N. Europe in Aug. 1933, Sam Untermyer used a bombastic anti-German speech in NYC in August 1933 to raise funds for construction of Hebrew University. By 1938 "The Jewish architect," Erich Mendelsohn, had designed and built Hebrew University, as well as a luxury residence for Chaim Weizmann in Rehovoth. By 1942 Mendelsohn found his way to USA where, after delivering a series of talks in California advancing the architect's vision of "creative destruction", he assisted the US Air Force and Standard Oil in devising the "most efficient means" of creating a firestorm that would destroy the largest number of German workers housing and incinerate the greatest number of German civilians.
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  5. I don’t have cable tv, and last week I was at a govt office where they had CNN on the TV in the lounge. I could not believe the nonstop war propaganda. It reminded me of how the networks were promoting war scare propaganda back in 2003.

    This site, unz, is supposed to be some sort of dissident political site, right?

    But I don’t see any site, including this one, telling the truth about the TV war propaganda.

    This needs to be discussed. Clips of the CNN war propaganda videos need to be put on the internet and discussed and exposed.

    And the reasons why the TV networks love to push war need to be discussed.

    It’s because of money.

    War means revenue for the big corporations that fund the networks via advertising purchases.

    More money for the big corporations means more money for the TV networks.

    That is the fatal flaw of dissident Right websites and pundits–they ignore the way that Big Money dominates america. Instead, the Dissident Right sites and pundits focus on minorities and liberals. Minorities and liberals are merely tools used by Big MOney.

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    Fox News is even worse
    , @moi
    Relax, nothing is going to change; it will only get worse.
    , @Wally
    you said:
    "But I don’t see any site, including this one, telling the truth about the TV war propaganda."

    Why don't you build and maintain such a site?

    Rather than complaining about someone else not doing the work you want done, the question is: What are you doing about the problem?

    Talk is cheap.

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  6. @Ronald Thomas West

    So we Americans have killed directly or indirectly maybe a million people
     
    I doubt the 'maybe.' Four years ago there were already credible estimates of one million dead in Iraq due to health related issues stemming from the destruction of that nation's infrastructure. Now, adding in Syria, almost certainly the numbers are by far too conservative.

    And let’s not forget that we created al-Qaeda and also enabled ISIS by destroying Iraq and supporting the resistance in Syria
     
    This could be more clear; we created what became al-Qaeda with our endeavors in Afghanistan in the 1980s, opening the door to their resurgence in Iraq; with the overthrow of the secular Bath regime of Saddam. ISIS is a secondary development born of the Sunnis of Iraq had been 1) terrorized by the efforts of David Petraeus 1st Iraq tour with American support for Shia run torture centers and death squads:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2013/mar/06/james-steele-america-iraq-video

    And after, the Petraeus inspired Sunni 'awakening councils' (ostensibly created to fight al-Qaeda) provided significant trained manpower, left unemployed, that would join with alienated Sunnis from across the spectrum (Bathists, al-Qaeda inspired Iraqis and foreign volunteers) of which a large portion would be organized and tested in neighboring Syria and morph into Islamic State, spilling back into Iraq. The USA set up the civil war in Iraq almost as though it had been strategically planned. Are our generals that stupid? After all, they're responsible for laying out the military strategies adopted by our executive. Did anyone at the Pentagon ever stand up and state 'none of this will do anything other than create larger problems' ? Not that I can recall. Is their hubris that great? The strategies were destined to fail from incubation. How did that happen?

    No small detail in all of this (my view) is the GWOT baseline or September, 2001. If this is going to be the defining reference point, there is a sort of 'which came first' question, 9/11 or GWOT? There are simply too many unanswered questions:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/05/12/1617/

    ^

    No small detail in all of this (my view) is the GWOT baseline or September, 2001. If this is going to be the defining reference point, there is a sort of ‘which came first’ question, 9/11 or GWOT?

    The GWOT was designed by (failed) architect Benjamin Netanyahu and his psychopath father and acolyte to revisionist zionism terror-master Benzion Netanyahu. The blueprint was rolled out in July 1979 at the Jerusalem Conference. George H W Bush, George Schultz, George Will, a few of the neocons (Midge Decter iirc) were at least present if not participants. G H W Bush made a presentation. Benjamin Netanyahu compiled the speeches into his first book, “International Terrorism: Challenge and Response.” He’s retooled the same material several times under different titles and marketed it, to supplement his wife’s soda-bottle deposits I guess.

    However, inasmuch as terror master Jabotinsky was the senior Netanyahu’s hero back in the 1940s when Jabotinsky toured USA raising money for the zionist invasion and occupation of Palestine, and organizing the militant violence-dealing wing of zionism, while Benzion worked the political system in Washington and New York, achieving, by the time of the 1944 presidential election, inclusion in the platforms of both parties support for a Jewish state in Palestine, it’s reasonable to view WWII (and its run-up) as the “GWOT baseline” and Jabotinsky and his terror colleagues as its architects. They might also be described as the originators of 20th century fascism.

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    The current population of Israel would benefit by pondering on how and why the highly civilizes population of Germany had become desensitized to mass murder during the first half of the 20th century.
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  7. @Ronald Thomas West

    So we Americans have killed directly or indirectly maybe a million people
     
    I doubt the 'maybe.' Four years ago there were already credible estimates of one million dead in Iraq due to health related issues stemming from the destruction of that nation's infrastructure. Now, adding in Syria, almost certainly the numbers are by far too conservative.

    And let’s not forget that we created al-Qaeda and also enabled ISIS by destroying Iraq and supporting the resistance in Syria
     
    This could be more clear; we created what became al-Qaeda with our endeavors in Afghanistan in the 1980s, opening the door to their resurgence in Iraq; with the overthrow of the secular Bath regime of Saddam. ISIS is a secondary development born of the Sunnis of Iraq had been 1) terrorized by the efforts of David Petraeus 1st Iraq tour with American support for Shia run torture centers and death squads:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2013/mar/06/james-steele-america-iraq-video

    And after, the Petraeus inspired Sunni 'awakening councils' (ostensibly created to fight al-Qaeda) provided significant trained manpower, left unemployed, that would join with alienated Sunnis from across the spectrum (Bathists, al-Qaeda inspired Iraqis and foreign volunteers) of which a large portion would be organized and tested in neighboring Syria and morph into Islamic State, spilling back into Iraq. The USA set up the civil war in Iraq almost as though it had been strategically planned. Are our generals that stupid? After all, they're responsible for laying out the military strategies adopted by our executive. Did anyone at the Pentagon ever stand up and state 'none of this will do anything other than create larger problems' ? Not that I can recall. Is their hubris that great? The strategies were destined to fail from incubation. How did that happen?

    No small detail in all of this (my view) is the GWOT baseline or September, 2001. If this is going to be the defining reference point, there is a sort of 'which came first' question, 9/11 or GWOT? There are simply too many unanswered questions:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/05/12/1617/

    ^

    Jeff Gates and Anthony Lawson covered those “small details” of the GWOT, and reviewed the “strategic planning” , game theory likely headed by Robert Auman at Hebrew University’s Center for Study of Rationality.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/01/19/new-jeff-gates-video-israels-role-in-terrorism/

    part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNjb1MGmGDc

    part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxhMmjDlIC0

    part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrkpcbmXAWE

    Trivia: Immediately upon his return from a meeting of “international Jewry” in N. Europe in Aug. 1933, Sam Untermyer used a bombastic anti-German speech in NYC in August 1933 to raise funds for construction of Hebrew University. By 1938 “The Jewish architect,” Erich Mendelsohn, had designed and built Hebrew University, as well as a luxury residence for Chaim Weizmann in Rehovoth. By 1942 Mendelsohn found his way to USA where, after delivering a series of talks in California advancing the architect’s vision of “creative destruction”, he assisted the US Air Force and Standard Oil in devising the “most efficient means” of creating a firestorm that would destroy the largest number of German workers housing and incinerate the greatest number of German civilians.

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    Jeff Gates and Anthony Lawson covered those “small details” of the GWOT, and reviewed the “strategic planning” , game theory likely headed by Robert Auman at Hebrew University’s Center for Study of Rationality.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/01/19/new-jeff-gates-video-israels-role-in-terrorism/
     
    You kill your credibility with referencing Veterans Today:

    "About 30% of what’s written on Veterans Today, is patently false. About 40% of what I write, is at least purposely, partially false, because if I didn’t write false information I wouldn’t be alive" -Gordon Duff, 2012

    I'm not going down your path and that's the end of it.
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  8. The GWOT was designed by (failed) architect Benjamin Netanyahu

    Huh. I always thought ‘Bibi’ was just a failed comedian

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/08/22/demons-anonymous/

    More seriously, there are a lot of failed chefs working the recipe (while making money hand over fist)

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/05/26/counterfeit-coin/

    But conceding anywhere GHW Bush turns up, there’s a ‘reverse midas’ touch, where everything turns to s**t

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  9. @Fran Macadam
    One would think that our exceptional nation, has exceptionally stupid leaders, or at least those who are making exceptionally stupid decisions. But then, taking leave of one's senses, does of late have a decidedly egalitarian cast. In the spirit of Mencken, we may all just be getting what the majority deserve, in a decrepit democracy.

    Fran Macadam:

    we may all just be getting what the majority deserve, in a decrepit democracy.

    What is the responsibility of the “majority” in relation to the responsibility of their leaders (where leaders includes idea-leaders as well as elected leaders)?

    Is it the responsibility of the majority to hold the leadership to account?
    If the agreed-upon ways of ‘holding to account’ fail, does the majority have the right or even obligation to rebel against their leadership, even to the extent of delivering vigilante justice?

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8581.htm

    Meyrav Wurmser said that she and her “loving group” “knew that their ideas were influencing the lives of millions . . .” and that “their ideas were being put to the test.”

    Richard Perle, a member of that group, said that their ideas were influencing the president of the USA.

    Should those people be held to account?
    How?

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  10. It makes so much more sense to spend money on an obscure war in the Yemen than, say, in Baltimore or on any of our social or infrastructure projects that need funding. Got any doubts about who is driving these wars in the Middle East? Just have a look at the multi millionaires vetting the Republican presidential candidates. All for israel’s benefit! American citizens and our needs here at home be damned!

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  11. annamaria says:
    @Fran Macadam
    One would think that our exceptional nation, has exceptionally stupid leaders, or at least those who are making exceptionally stupid decisions. But then, taking leave of one's senses, does of late have a decidedly egalitarian cast. In the spirit of Mencken, we may all just be getting what the majority deserve, in a decrepit democracy.

    Their decisions are superbly intelligent from the point of view of various war profiteers. The demolition of democracy was a prerequisite for making these decisions.

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  12. “those millions of . . . deaths are the consequence of ill-advised military interventions and operations to destabilize and replace existing governments”

    “ill-advised.”

    As in, “I thought my wife was fooling around so I killed her and our three children. I later found out she was not fooling around. My actions were ill-advised.

    or

    “A well-funded and highly organized group of former Trotskyites calling themselves neoconservatives manipulated and propagandized the American people and influenced their- and other- world leaders to invade, destroy and occupy Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria, and to destroy the economy of Iran with the goal of destabilizing and toppling that government. The US justice system has concluded it would be ill-advised to hold them responsible for their actions.

    On the other hand, German prosecutors have charged a 93-year-old man with being an accessory to murder in at least 300,000 cases while working for the Nazis at the Auschwitz concentration camp.

    The man, from the German state of Lower Saxony, is accused of having helped remove the luggage left by new arrivals to the camp at the Birkenau rail platform.

    SO — we Americans would be WELL ADVISED to hang Meyrav Wurmser’s taxi driver, I guess.

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  13. annamaria says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    No small detail in all of this (my view) is the GWOT baseline or September, 2001. If this is going to be the defining reference point, there is a sort of ‘which came first’ question, 9/11 or GWOT?
     
    The GWOT was designed by (failed) architect Benjamin Netanyahu and his psychopath father and acolyte to revisionist zionism terror-master Benzion Netanyahu. The blueprint was rolled out in July 1979 at the Jerusalem Conference. George H W Bush, George Schultz, George Will, a few of the neocons (Midge Decter iirc) were at least present if not participants. G H W Bush made a presentation. Benjamin Netanyahu compiled the speeches into his first book, "International Terrorism: Challenge and Response." He's retooled the same material several times under different titles and marketed it, to supplement his wife's soda-bottle deposits I guess.

    However, inasmuch as terror master Jabotinsky was the senior Netanyahu's hero back in the 1940s when Jabotinsky toured USA raising money for the zionist invasion and occupation of Palestine, and organizing the militant violence-dealing wing of zionism, while Benzion worked the political system in Washington and New York, achieving, by the time of the 1944 presidential election, inclusion in the platforms of both parties support for a Jewish state in Palestine, it's reasonable to view WWII (and its run-up) as the "GWOT baseline" and Jabotinsky and his terror colleagues as its architects. They might also be described as the originators of 20th century fascism.

    The current population of Israel would benefit by pondering on how and why the highly civilizes population of Germany had become desensitized to mass murder during the first half of the 20th century.

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    A few centuries (200 years to those keeping score with Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn) of usury, repossession, cheating, bilking, fraud, forgery, embezzlement, short-changing, self-dealing, conspiracy and corruption will do that to you.

    Having typed that, I still think that the Nazis were evil. People still have an obligation to themselves and to their God (and their community, and/or fellow humans for those atheists).

    Life is a gift, don't squander it.

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  14. @SolontoCroesus
    Jeff Gates and Anthony Lawson covered those "small details" of the GWOT, and reviewed the "strategic planning" , game theory likely headed by Robert Auman at Hebrew University's Center for Study of Rationality.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/01/19/new-jeff-gates-video-israels-role-in-terrorism/

    part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNjb1MGmGDc

    part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxhMmjDlIC0

    part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrkpcbmXAWE

    Trivia: Immediately upon his return from a meeting of "international Jewry" in N. Europe in Aug. 1933, Sam Untermyer used a bombastic anti-German speech in NYC in August 1933 to raise funds for construction of Hebrew University. By 1938 "The Jewish architect," Erich Mendelsohn, had designed and built Hebrew University, as well as a luxury residence for Chaim Weizmann in Rehovoth. By 1942 Mendelsohn found his way to USA where, after delivering a series of talks in California advancing the architect's vision of "creative destruction", he assisted the US Air Force and Standard Oil in devising the "most efficient means" of creating a firestorm that would destroy the largest number of German workers housing and incinerate the greatest number of German civilians.

    Jeff Gates and Anthony Lawson covered those “small details” of the GWOT, and reviewed the “strategic planning” , game theory likely headed by Robert Auman at Hebrew University’s Center for Study of Rationality.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/01/19/new-jeff-gates-video-israels-role-in-terrorism/

    You kill your credibility with referencing Veterans Today:

    “About 30% of what’s written on Veterans Today, is patently false. About 40% of what I write, is at least purposely, partially false, because if I didn’t write false information I wouldn’t be alive” -Gordon Duff, 2012

    I’m not going down your path and that’s the end of it.

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    Which leaves 60% worth a look. So don't be lazy .

    Good piece here on the spectacularly crude Charlie Hebdo Redux in Garland, Texas. The 'war on turrah' is obviously looking for a cash-injection. (And just check out the swats-on-steroids)..

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/05/04/hebdo-redux-in-garland-texas-mohammed-cartoon-shooting-reeks-of-staged-false-flag/
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  15. Tom Welsh says:
    @Don Nash
    "The most recent ex-judicial killings come on the heels of a report by the highly respected Nobel prize winning Physicians for Social Responsibility that reveals that more than 1.3 million people were killed during the first ten years post 9/11 as part of the so-called “global war of terror” (GWOT) in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan alone."
    Gosh, would 1.3 million people killed be considered genocide?

    “Gosh, would 1.3 million people killed be considered genocide?”

    Only if they weren’t killed by Israel or the USA.

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    "Only if they weren't killed by Israel or the USA."

    Good riposte, Mr. Welsh!
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  16. Max Payne says:

    Cui bono?

    Not America.
    Not Europe.
    Not the Arab World.
    Only Israel.
    Israel benefits from all this.
    I’m always astonished how Israeli security and intelligence firms secure contracts all over the Western hemisphere. Even here in Canada, both the transit systems in Montreal and in Toronto have security provided by an Israeli firm (in the name of anti-terrorism of course…)

    But don’t tell anyone or you’ll be labelled an anti-Semite.

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  17. Realist says:
    @Fran Macadam
    One would think that our exceptional nation, has exceptionally stupid leaders, or at least those who are making exceptionally stupid decisions. But then, taking leave of one's senses, does of late have a decidedly egalitarian cast. In the spirit of Mencken, we may all just be getting what the majority deserve, in a decrepit democracy.

    “In the spirit of Mencken, we may all just be getting what the majority deserve, in a decrepit democracy.”

    All Democracies are decrepit. Democracy is the most corrupt form of government.

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  18. Realist says:
    @leftist conservative
    I don't have cable tv, and last week I was at a govt office where they had CNN on the TV in the lounge. I could not believe the nonstop war propaganda. It reminded me of how the networks were promoting war scare propaganda back in 2003.

    This site, unz, is supposed to be some sort of dissident political site, right?

    But I don't see any site, including this one, telling the truth about the TV war propaganda.

    This needs to be discussed. Clips of the CNN war propaganda videos need to be put on the internet and discussed and exposed.

    And the reasons why the TV networks love to push war need to be discussed.

    It's because of money.

    War means revenue for the big corporations that fund the networks via advertising purchases.

    More money for the big corporations means more money for the TV networks.


    That is the fatal flaw of dissident Right websites and pundits--they ignore the way that Big Money dominates america. Instead, the Dissident Right sites and pundits focus on minorities and liberals. Minorities and liberals are merely tools used by Big MOney.

    Fox News is even worse

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  19. David says:

    I bristled the other day when Obama blew off Iran’s defensive capabilities by comparing its mere $30 billion of military spending to America’s $600 billion. I bet we can all think of ways in which half of the $600 billion is spent so as to add nothing to our security. In Obama’s view, the more we spend the stronger we are.

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  20. @Tom Welsh
    "Gosh, would 1.3 million people killed be considered genocide?"

    Only if they weren't killed by Israel or the USA.

    “Only if they weren’t killed by Israel or the USA.”

    Good riposte, Mr. Welsh!

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  21. KA says:

    The reference to NYT is important to understand the changes within NYT. NYT was one of the papers that ridiculed or ignored the idea of the reasons for the presence of the reactive expression of anger and hatred could be related to the reflexive,automaticAmerican support to the Zionism in the Muslim countries ,in the early part of this decade long GWOT . Having achieved the ambition of remaking middle east according to the dreams of Judith Miller ,Sharon clan and the Bush cabinet ,it now feels free to point out the potential blowback effects of the Americsn drone attack . It thus hides the legacy of the Zionism in shaping the reaction to the American activities . It doesn’t use the same jargon to use the resentment against America in Syria,Gaza,and in Iran . Doing so would be akin to repudiating the Zionist game plan in those areas of ME.
    This is why the Gaza or WB are not given the same perspective since it will bring Israel under the microscope of moral and legal scrutiny .

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    Spot on!!!
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  22. Ivy [AKA "Enquiring Mind"] says:
    @annamaria
    The current population of Israel would benefit by pondering on how and why the highly civilizes population of Germany had become desensitized to mass murder during the first half of the 20th century.

    A few centuries (200 years to those keeping score with Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn) of usury, repossession, cheating, bilking, fraud, forgery, embezzlement, short-changing, self-dealing, conspiracy and corruption will do that to you.

    Having typed that, I still think that the Nazis were evil. People still have an obligation to themselves and to their God (and their community, and/or fellow humans for those atheists).

    Life is a gift, don’t squander it.

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  23. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Please stop trying to agonize over the senselessness of the U.S. government’s actions, and complaining about how ineffective it is at its stated goals. The goals are bogus! The entire and only purpose of the U.S. government is to dominate and control the entire world, and to either physically attack (with bombs, drones, or troops) or to destabilize and overthrow any regime that does not bow down to and become vassals to the U.S. (as has Europe, Australia, Japan and South Korea, to name a few).

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    "The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness; only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?"
    - George Orwell (O’Brien to Winston Smith, “1984”)
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  24. Tom Welsh says:
    @Anonymous
    Please stop trying to agonize over the senselessness of the U.S. government's actions, and complaining about how ineffective it is at its stated goals. The goals are bogus! The entire and only purpose of the U.S. government is to dominate and control the entire world, and to either physically attack (with bombs, drones, or troops) or to destabilize and overthrow any regime that does not bow down to and become vassals to the U.S. (as has Europe, Australia, Japan and South Korea, to name a few).

    “The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness; only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?”
    - George Orwell (O’Brien to Winston Smith, “1984”)

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    I've got to make time to read 1984 again. Slowly this time.
    , @geokat62
    This could have been a quote by Leo Strauss, the father of neoconservative ideology.
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  25. @Tom Welsh
    "The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness; only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?"
    - George Orwell (O’Brien to Winston Smith, “1984”)

    I’ve got to make time to read 1984 again. Slowly this time.

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  26. geokat62 says:
    @Tom Welsh
    "The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness; only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?"
    - George Orwell (O’Brien to Winston Smith, “1984”)

    This could have been a quote by Leo Strauss, the father of neoconservative ideology.

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  27. Tom Welsh says:

    Yes, except that Orwell was writing fiction! The very best kind of speculative fiction: had we been intelligent enough, we could have used his warning to avoid the situation we are in now. I am afraid that although individual human beings show a range of intelligent behaviour, the species as a whole does not. The opposite of ants and bees…

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  28. moi says:
    @leftist conservative
    I don't have cable tv, and last week I was at a govt office where they had CNN on the TV in the lounge. I could not believe the nonstop war propaganda. It reminded me of how the networks were promoting war scare propaganda back in 2003.

    This site, unz, is supposed to be some sort of dissident political site, right?

    But I don't see any site, including this one, telling the truth about the TV war propaganda.

    This needs to be discussed. Clips of the CNN war propaganda videos need to be put on the internet and discussed and exposed.

    And the reasons why the TV networks love to push war need to be discussed.

    It's because of money.

    War means revenue for the big corporations that fund the networks via advertising purchases.

    More money for the big corporations means more money for the TV networks.


    That is the fatal flaw of dissident Right websites and pundits--they ignore the way that Big Money dominates america. Instead, the Dissident Right sites and pundits focus on minorities and liberals. Minorities and liberals are merely tools used by Big MOney.

    Relax, nothing is going to change; it will only get worse.

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  29. moi says:
    @KA
    The reference to NYT is important to understand the changes within NYT. NYT was one of the papers that ridiculed or ignored the idea of the reasons for the presence of the reactive expression of anger and hatred could be related to the reflexive,automaticAmerican support to the Zionism in the Muslim countries ,in the early part of this decade long GWOT . Having achieved the ambition of remaking middle east according to the dreams of Judith Miller ,Sharon clan and the Bush cabinet ,it now feels free to point out the potential blowback effects of the Americsn drone attack . It thus hides the legacy of the Zionism in shaping the reaction to the American activities . It doesn't use the same jargon to use the resentment against America in Syria,Gaza,and in Iran . Doing so would be akin to repudiating the Zionist game plan in those areas of ME.
    This is why the Gaza or WB are not given the same perspective since it will bring Israel under the microscope of moral and legal scrutiny .

    Spot on!!!

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    ditto

    KA highlighted a subtle but critical stage in the Great Game

    Ronald Thomas West is too pure to study the work of Jeff Gates and Anthony Lawson because it's hosted on this website http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/01/19/new-jeff-gates-video-israels-role-in-terrorism/ (which makes as much sense as refusing to read Phil Giraldi because he writes on the same internet that Netanyahu uses).

    A strong case can be made that C Span is in the same category as NYT, i.e. a tool of the zionist PTB.

    C Span gave Judith Miller air time to validate and valorize herself as a "protector of journalistic integrity." "I don't know what Valeric Plame is so upset about . . ." but "I protected Scooter Libby."

    The Rational Institute's Game Theory rules calculate that it is time to shift focus away from zionism's ideology & dirty hands.

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  30. moi says:

    A small correction to another excellent article by Mr. Giraldi–this is not a GWOT, it is a GWOM (Muslims).

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  31. @moi
    Spot on!!!

    ditto

    KA highlighted a subtle but critical stage in the Great Game

    Ronald Thomas West is too pure to study the work of Jeff Gates and Anthony Lawson because it’s hosted on this website http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/01/19/new-jeff-gates-video-israels-role-in-terrorism/ (which makes as much sense as refusing to read Phil Giraldi because he writes on the same internet that Netanyahu uses).

    A strong case can be made that C Span is in the same category as NYT, i.e. a tool of the zionist PTB.

    C Span gave Judith Miller air time to validate and valorize herself as a “protector of journalistic integrity.” “I don’t know what Valeric Plame is so upset about . . .” but “I protected Scooter Libby.”

    The Rational Institute’s Game Theory rules calculate that it is time to shift focus away from zionism’s ideology & dirty hands.

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  32. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @leftist conservative
    I don't have cable tv, and last week I was at a govt office where they had CNN on the TV in the lounge. I could not believe the nonstop war propaganda. It reminded me of how the networks were promoting war scare propaganda back in 2003.

    This site, unz, is supposed to be some sort of dissident political site, right?

    But I don't see any site, including this one, telling the truth about the TV war propaganda.

    This needs to be discussed. Clips of the CNN war propaganda videos need to be put on the internet and discussed and exposed.

    And the reasons why the TV networks love to push war need to be discussed.

    It's because of money.

    War means revenue for the big corporations that fund the networks via advertising purchases.

    More money for the big corporations means more money for the TV networks.


    That is the fatal flaw of dissident Right websites and pundits--they ignore the way that Big Money dominates america. Instead, the Dissident Right sites and pundits focus on minorities and liberals. Minorities and liberals are merely tools used by Big MOney.

    you said:
    “But I don’t see any site, including this one, telling the truth about the TV war propaganda.”

    Why don’t you build and maintain such a site?

    Rather than complaining about someone else not doing the work you want done, the question is: What are you doing about the problem?

    Talk is cheap.

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  33. Ronald Thomas West is too pure to study the work of Jeff Gates and Anthony Lawson because it’s hosted on this website http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/01/19/new-jeff-gates-video-israels-role-in-terrorism/ (which makes as much sense as refusing to read Phil Giraldi because he writes on the same internet that Netanyahu uses)

    Maybe you’re comparing apple to oranges. If you can show me Phil and Bibi submitting to the same site, I’ll concede your point. In fact, I simply avoid the more patent disinformation sites of which Veterans Today is self admitted (according to Gordon Duff.) I’d don’t need anything put out by VT, no different to I don’t need anything put out by David Icke or Alex Jones.

    What is more, as soon as someone thinks they have the facts all nailed down, according to some grand plan, they’re more often than not going to be wrong. To that point, GWOT is a multifaceted phenomena with diverse players and forces, with any number of developments reflecting that fact. There are multiple agenda and competing personalities, where in any given day there can be shifting alliances with some cooperating, others at loggerheads and any number of possibilities where players and events can end up at cross purposes, i.e. FUBAR (for those familiar with the acronym.)

    It is a bit far-fetched to ascribe what’s happening with GWOT to a narrow agenda of any small circle. As much as any American Christian-Jewish neo-conservative alliance might play in the works, there is always much more; greed is big in the corporate boardrooms and they’re making money hand over fist. And there is narrow vision at two many levels of leadership at the domestic and international levels to describe here, but one of those failures of vision is in relation to geopolitical weapons trafficking, both ‘legal’ and illegal. Economies integrated to weapons systems production, to stay afloat, have to keep producing. Right there is a large, stands alone, GWOT driver. I could go on but I doubt you much appreciate sight beyond your decidedly entrenched point of view.

    And so as not to lose sight of my original observation, here it is again*

    So we Americans have killed directly or indirectly maybe a million people

    I doubt the ‘maybe.’ Four years ago there were already credible estimates of one million dead in Iraq due to health related issues stemming from the destruction of that nation’s infrastructure. Now, adding in Syria, almost certainly the numbers are by far too conservative.

    And let’s not forget that we created al-Qaeda and also enabled ISIS by destroying Iraq and supporting the resistance in Syria

    This could be more clear; we created what became al-Qaeda with our endeavors in Afghanistan in the 1980s, opening the door to their resurgence in Iraq; with the overthrow of the secular Bath regime of Saddam. ISIS is a secondary development born of the Sunnis of Iraq had been 1) terrorized by the efforts of David Petraeus 1st Iraq tour with American support for Shia run torture centers and death squads:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2013/mar/06/james-steele-america-iraq-video

    And after, the Petraeus inspired Sunni ‘awakening councils’ (ostensibly created to fight al-Qaeda) provided significant trained manpower, left unemployed, that would join with alienated Sunnis from across the spectrum (Bathists, al-Qaeda inspired Iraqis and foreign volunteers) of which a large portion would be organized and tested in neighboring Syria and morph into Islamic State, spilling back into Iraq. The USA set up the civil war in Iraq almost as though it had been strategically planned. Are our generals that stupid? After all, they’re responsible for laying out the military strategies adopted by our executive. Did anyone at the Pentagon ever stand up and state ‘none of this will do anything other than create larger problems’ ? Not that I can recall. Is their hubris that great? The strategies were destined to fail from incubation. How did that happen?

    No small detail in all of this (my view) is the GWOT baseline or September, 2001. If this is going to be the defining reference point, there is a sort of ‘which came first’ question, 9/11 or GWOT? There are simply too many unanswered questions:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/05/12/1617/

    * The above ^ link is quite informative

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    -"American Christian-Jewish neo-conservative alliance "
    1- I see the allaince is an expression/combination of opportunism by the neoocns ,abuse of the Christian faith ,and efforts on the part of some marginalized ,dicredited,left-out bigoted Evangelicanl/Southern Baptist Christian who have been trying to get the 15 minutes fame . In some way the Evangelicals are doing same that the IS and other outfits of AlQuida have been doing: carrying the water for certain dark forces .

    2- Post war plan was not given any thought by intention. Rusmfield banned any talk about post war plan ( under the infleunce of the Neccons in his dept)
    3 Post war civic dislocation was anticipated by British and US intelligence. But Micheal Ledeen wanted ME be turned into a cauldron.Krauthammer rejoiced to see the anarchy developing
    4 Feith made it sure that the debathification went ahead despite being in the know that it would craete massive sudden unemployment .
    5 Wolfowitz and Bremer wanted and started privatization of government -run industries to sink the country into more despair.
    6 The tortures at Abu Ghraib added fuel to the anger and hatred. The torture order came from the OSP particularly from Feith's hand.
    7 Activley any attempt for reconicliation was purposefully thawrted by the neocons. It is understandable that the neocons would do so given the fact that their ideas were firmly rooted into the hegemonic concept of the balkanization of the ME

    , @Dan
    It is a bit far-fetched to ascribe what’s happening with GWOT to a narrow agenda of any small circle.

    No it's not; not at all, and by willfully obscuring the Zionist agenda of International Jewry with secondary considerations, such as war profiteering and the opportunism of bit players and stooges, which are effects and not causes, you reveal yourself either a limited hangout or, more likely, to paraphrase Johnson, a moral coward whose caution is borrowed from fear and attributed to policy. If you can't see the Jews behind the curtain of world events and the economic and cultural rape of our country...but of course you can, but are afraid to say so.
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  34. KA says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    Ronald Thomas West is too pure to study the work of Jeff Gates and Anthony Lawson because it’s hosted on this website http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/01/19/new-jeff-gates-video-israels-role-in-terrorism/ (which makes as much sense as refusing to read Phil Giraldi because he writes on the same internet that Netanyahu uses)
     
    Maybe you're comparing apple to oranges. If you can show me Phil and Bibi submitting to the same site, I'll concede your point. In fact, I simply avoid the more patent disinformation sites of which Veterans Today is self admitted (according to Gordon Duff.) I'd don't need anything put out by VT, no different to I don't need anything put out by David Icke or Alex Jones.

    What is more, as soon as someone thinks they have the facts all nailed down, according to some grand plan, they're more often than not going to be wrong. To that point, GWOT is a multifaceted phenomena with diverse players and forces, with any number of developments reflecting that fact. There are multiple agenda and competing personalities, where in any given day there can be shifting alliances with some cooperating, others at loggerheads and any number of possibilities where players and events can end up at cross purposes, i.e. FUBAR (for those familiar with the acronym.)

    It is a bit far-fetched to ascribe what's happening with GWOT to a narrow agenda of any small circle. As much as any American Christian-Jewish neo-conservative alliance might play in the works, there is always much more; greed is big in the corporate boardrooms and they're making money hand over fist. And there is narrow vision at two many levels of leadership at the domestic and international levels to describe here, but one of those failures of vision is in relation to geopolitical weapons trafficking, both 'legal' and illegal. Economies integrated to weapons systems production, to stay afloat, have to keep producing. Right there is a large, stands alone, GWOT driver. I could go on but I doubt you much appreciate sight beyond your decidedly entrenched point of view.

    And so as not to lose sight of my original observation, here it is again*

    So we Americans have killed directly or indirectly maybe a million people
     
    I doubt the ‘maybe.’ Four years ago there were already credible estimates of one million dead in Iraq due to health related issues stemming from the destruction of that nation’s infrastructure. Now, adding in Syria, almost certainly the numbers are by far too conservative.

    And let’s not forget that we created al-Qaeda and also enabled ISIS by destroying Iraq and supporting the resistance in Syria
     
    This could be more clear; we created what became al-Qaeda with our endeavors in Afghanistan in the 1980s, opening the door to their resurgence in Iraq; with the overthrow of the secular Bath regime of Saddam. ISIS is a secondary development born of the Sunnis of Iraq had been 1) terrorized by the efforts of David Petraeus 1st Iraq tour with American support for Shia run torture centers and death squads:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2013/mar/06/james-steele-america-iraq-video

    And after, the Petraeus inspired Sunni ‘awakening councils’ (ostensibly created to fight al-Qaeda) provided significant trained manpower, left unemployed, that would join with alienated Sunnis from across the spectrum (Bathists, al-Qaeda inspired Iraqis and foreign volunteers) of which a large portion would be organized and tested in neighboring Syria and morph into Islamic State, spilling back into Iraq. The USA set up the civil war in Iraq almost as though it had been strategically planned. Are our generals that stupid? After all, they’re responsible for laying out the military strategies adopted by our executive. Did anyone at the Pentagon ever stand up and state ‘none of this will do anything other than create larger problems’ ? Not that I can recall. Is their hubris that great? The strategies were destined to fail from incubation. How did that happen?

    No small detail in all of this (my view) is the GWOT baseline or September, 2001. If this is going to be the defining reference point, there is a sort of ‘which came first’ question, 9/11 or GWOT? There are simply too many unanswered questions:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/05/12/1617/

    * The above ^ link is quite informative

    -”American Christian-Jewish neo-conservative alliance ”
    1- I see the allaince is an expression/combination of opportunism by the neoocns ,abuse of the Christian faith ,and efforts on the part of some marginalized ,dicredited,left-out bigoted Evangelicanl/Southern Baptist Christian who have been trying to get the 15 minutes fame . In some way the Evangelicals are doing same that the IS and other outfits of AlQuida have been doing: carrying the water for certain dark forces .

    2- Post war plan was not given any thought by intention. Rusmfield banned any talk about post war plan ( under the infleunce of the Neccons in his dept)
    3 Post war civic dislocation was anticipated by British and US intelligence. But Micheal Ledeen wanted ME be turned into a cauldron.Krauthammer rejoiced to see the anarchy developing
    4 Feith made it sure that the debathification went ahead despite being in the know that it would craete massive sudden unemployment .
    5 Wolfowitz and Bremer wanted and started privatization of government -run industries to sink the country into more despair.
    6 The tortures at Abu Ghraib added fuel to the anger and hatred. The torture order came from the OSP particularly from Feith’s hand.
    7 Activley any attempt for reconicliation was purposefully thawrted by the neocons. It is understandable that the neocons would do so given the fact that their ideas were firmly rooted into the hegemonic concept of the balkanization of the ME

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    What you say is consistent with my understanding. What is particularly troubling is the fact of so little dissent within the ranks. Colin Powell is said (very good source) to have thrown a fit at the information he was provided to present to the UN as a pretext for the invasion. And then he went ahead and did so, precisely as the known (to himself) falsified script called for. ??

    That said, I do pose questions more often than not in a rhetorical sense, an attempt to get people to not only think but rethink as many aspects as possible. It's a complex soup with a lot of variables, not least a peculiar cowardice (Powell example) on entirely too many players part, incompetence and outright stupidity. Factor in the sociopath element, those who're rank criminal personalities (you've named some of those) .. and not least, sycophant allies without the least bit of evidence of a spine. It just goes on in a circumstance that would appear everyone has dirt on everyone. This is a social environment that invites crimes of a high order.
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  35. @KA
    -"American Christian-Jewish neo-conservative alliance "
    1- I see the allaince is an expression/combination of opportunism by the neoocns ,abuse of the Christian faith ,and efforts on the part of some marginalized ,dicredited,left-out bigoted Evangelicanl/Southern Baptist Christian who have been trying to get the 15 minutes fame . In some way the Evangelicals are doing same that the IS and other outfits of AlQuida have been doing: carrying the water for certain dark forces .

    2- Post war plan was not given any thought by intention. Rusmfield banned any talk about post war plan ( under the infleunce of the Neccons in his dept)
    3 Post war civic dislocation was anticipated by British and US intelligence. But Micheal Ledeen wanted ME be turned into a cauldron.Krauthammer rejoiced to see the anarchy developing
    4 Feith made it sure that the debathification went ahead despite being in the know that it would craete massive sudden unemployment .
    5 Wolfowitz and Bremer wanted and started privatization of government -run industries to sink the country into more despair.
    6 The tortures at Abu Ghraib added fuel to the anger and hatred. The torture order came from the OSP particularly from Feith's hand.
    7 Activley any attempt for reconicliation was purposefully thawrted by the neocons. It is understandable that the neocons would do so given the fact that their ideas were firmly rooted into the hegemonic concept of the balkanization of the ME

    What you say is consistent with my understanding. What is particularly troubling is the fact of so little dissent within the ranks. Colin Powell is said (very good source) to have thrown a fit at the information he was provided to present to the UN as a pretext for the invasion. And then he went ahead and did so, precisely as the known (to himself) falsified script called for. ??

    That said, I do pose questions more often than not in a rhetorical sense, an attempt to get people to not only think but rethink as many aspects as possible. It’s a complex soup with a lot of variables, not least a peculiar cowardice (Powell example) on entirely too many players part, incompetence and outright stupidity. Factor in the sociopath element, those who’re rank criminal personalities (you’ve named some of those) .. and not least, sycophant allies without the least bit of evidence of a spine. It just goes on in a circumstance that would appear everyone has dirt on everyone. This is a social environment that invites crimes of a high order.

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    https://consortiumnews.com/2013/02/04/colin-powell-conned-or-con-man/

    "The deputy director [CIA]replied: “As I said last night, let’s keep in mind the fact that this war’s going to happen regardless of what Curveball said or didn’t say, and the powers that be probably aren’t terribly interested in whether Curveball knows what he’s talking about.” (That e-mail message and similar material were released in July 2004 by Sen. Dianne Feinstein of the Senate Intelligence Committee.)

    and Powell recognized ,so did Wilkerson that evidence was full of " bull _t"
    but within an hour "“Within an hour, [CIA Director George] Tenet and [CIA Deputy Director John] McLaughlin dropped a bombshell on the table in the [CIA] director’s Conference Room: a high-level AQ detainee had just revealed under interrogation substantive contacts between AQ and Baghdad, including Iraqis training AQ operatives in the use of chemical and biological weapons.”
    This man was al Libi who later recanted and accused of being tortured by CIA.He since then has disappeared from earth .
    Powell was trying . But he tried to strike a bargain with a devil . Devil always robs the soul .
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  36. RTW –

    1. My post did not reference Gordon Duff. I agree with you that Duff is a doofus; I don’t trust his work, I don’t read it, I don’t even glance at VT.

    2. I linked to a series of videos that Jeff Gates wrote and the late Anthony Lawson produced and narrated. I have been skeptical-to-dismissive of Gates’ work BECAUSE it appeared on Duff’s website, which I do not consider trustworthy, until I listened to Gates discuss his latest book, “Guilt by Association.” I learned that “from 1980 to 1987 Gates served as counsel to the Senate Finance Committee.” He might know something more about how things work than I do.

    3. Anthony Lawson was a giant of a man who continues to be sorely missed by those who share his convictions but not his courage in speaking out coherently, uncompromisingly, and publicly in his own name.

    Since I trust Lawson and came to believe Gates was credible, I queried their work on a search engine; the VT lin turned up.

    4. Your earlier dismissal of Netanyahu as “a comedian” is an “intelligence failure.” Netanyahu is an extremely dangerous person whose ideological roots reach back to the beginnings of ‘second-stage zionism” — the run-up to WWII and the prosecution of WWII on behalf of zionists.

    Thus, your assertion,

    No small detail in all of this (my view) is the GWOT baseline or September, 2001. If this is going to be the defining reference point, there is a sort of ‘which came first’ question, 9/11 or GWOT? There are simply too many unanswered questions:

    is off by >half-a-century and so, accordingly, is your analysis.

    Neither Robert Aumann nor Hebrew University’s Institute for Rationality are the Rosetta Stone, but they do figure prominently in Israel’s, zionism’s, neoconservatism’s, media, and many US policy-makers actions and the timing of them.

    Gates and Lawson provided a brief introduction and insight to the topic.

    Gates & Lawson’s work can be viewed, outside the dreaded VT matrix, here — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNjb1MGmGDc

    Hesham Tillawi interviews Gates HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv7NgSpJggE

    PS If researchers like Gates and Lawson had access to New York Times and MSNBC or C Span, we would not be having this discussion.

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  37. Thus, your assertion,

    “No small detail in all of this (my view) is the GWOT baseline or September, 2001. If this is going to be the defining reference point, there is a sort of ‘which came first’ question, 9/11 or GWOT? There are simply too many unanswered questions”

    is off by >half-a-century and so, accordingly, is your analysis.

    What I mainly took exception to is, directing people to a known disinformation site; you could have been careful to make a disclaimer but you did not. For instance Alex Jones is a site where good information is buried by association with lunacy. Veterans Today is more insidious. That said, I could find a same story at inforwars as I can find at Sibel Edmond’s Boiling Frogs. I’ll send people to Sibel’s site every time and never even bother with looking at Alex Jones. If I can’t find it elsewhere than infowars or VT, examples given, I won’t put it out there. How can I trust anything I might not be familiar with if I’m directed to VT? I can’t. And I don’t necessarily have the time or energy to sleuth down what may or may not be good information. The referred source killed any interest.

    The other aspect is, what you missed is a rhetorical question.

    Meanwhile, here’s a good bit of analysis catching up the past 70+ years:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/04/23/sociopaths-democracy/

    That is, if you’re seriously concerned my analysis are 1/2 century behind-

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    I don't know you RTW.

    As it is, there is more information out there than I can digest. Seven books are on my desk and a seminar to prepare. After that, I look forward with eager anticipation to cruising your oeuvre.

    ---

    Musing again on the emphasis placed on "rationality" in Jeff Gates' research and the process of "preparing minds;" and recalling the many times the "rationality" of the Iranian leadership has been the subject of discussion. The tentative -- or correct -- conclusion on the part of the Israelis may well have been, "The Persians know our game; they are more rational than we are." The ordinary games or tactics used to "prepare the minds" would not work in Iran.

    That is why Netanyahu is more interested in extending and hardening sanctions. He knows that the only way to attack Iran is by subverting its young people. Netanyahu said as much in the (should be) infamous appearance before Dan Burton's subcommittee on Sept 12 2002. When asked if Iran would be Number 2 on the Hit Parade, Bibi replied: "Iran has 200,000 satellite dishes. Beam in [Hollywood TV shows]. ... Let the young people in Iran see the beautiful clothes and houses and swimming pools, and start to desire them. That's subversive."

    The intent is to collapse Iran by causing distress among the young people.

    Ed Royce stated in 2007 that the goal of sanctions on Iran was to cause so much distress among the people that they would rise up and topple their government.

    A few days ago another US congressman who is so much like every other US congressman that he is completely forgettable, conceded: "We know that sanctions are hurting the Iranian people more than they are hurting the government. That is part of the plan: to cause anger among the people ..."

    This was precisely the expectation among G H W Bush's advisors in Persian Gulf War: Jeff Engel has studied the decision making process in that debacle. He reported: "The team did not plan to pursue Saddam because they were 99% certain that the Iraqi people would take him down themselves. . . . If they had the same decision to make again, they would decide exactly the same way."

    US war makers are convinced -- beyond all rationality, that is, contrary to all evidence, that a show of force, or collective punishment of the people of a government the US does not like, will cause that collective to rise up against that leadership.

    It was the rationale behind the terror-bombing of Germany that incinerated 600,000 German civilians.

    It didn't work in Germany.
    It is not working in Gaza.
    It did not work in Iraq.

    It will not work in Iran.

    The people of the USA, on the other hand, have meekly transformed themselves into Israel's Willing Executioners.
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    Thus, your assertion,

    "No small detail in all of this (my view) is the GWOT baseline or September, 2001. If this is going to be the defining reference point, there is a sort of ‘which came first’ question, 9/11 or GWOT? There are simply too many unanswered questions"

    is off by >half-a-century and so, accordingly, is your analysis.
     
    What I mainly took exception to is, directing people to a known disinformation site; you could have been careful to make a disclaimer but you did not. For instance Alex Jones is a site where good information is buried by association with lunacy. Veterans Today is more insidious. That said, I could find a same story at inforwars as I can find at Sibel Edmond's Boiling Frogs. I'll send people to Sibel's site every time and never even bother with looking at Alex Jones. If I can't find it elsewhere than infowars or VT, examples given, I won't put it out there. How can I trust anything I might not be familiar with if I'm directed to VT? I can't. And I don't necessarily have the time or energy to sleuth down what may or may not be good information. The referred source killed any interest.

    The other aspect is, what you missed is a rhetorical question.

    Meanwhile, here's a good bit of analysis catching up the past 70+ years:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/04/23/sociopaths-democracy/

    That is, if you're seriously concerned my analysis are 1/2 century behind-

    I don’t know you RTW.

    As it is, there is more information out there than I can digest. Seven books are on my desk and a seminar to prepare. After that, I look forward with eager anticipation to cruising your oeuvre.

    Musing again on the emphasis placed on “rationality” in Jeff Gates’ research and the process of “preparing minds;” and recalling the many times the “rationality” of the Iranian leadership has been the subject of discussion. The tentative — or correct — conclusion on the part of the Israelis may well have been, “The Persians know our game; they are more rational than we are.” The ordinary games or tactics used to “prepare the minds” would not work in Iran.

    That is why Netanyahu is more interested in extending and hardening sanctions. He knows that the only way to attack Iran is by subverting its young people. Netanyahu said as much in the (should be) infamous appearance before Dan Burton’s subcommittee on Sept 12 2002. When asked if Iran would be Number 2 on the Hit Parade, Bibi replied: “Iran has 200,000 satellite dishes. Beam in [Hollywood TV shows]. … Let the young people in Iran see the beautiful clothes and houses and swimming pools, and start to desire them. That’s subversive.”

    The intent is to collapse Iran by causing distress among the young people.

    Ed Royce stated in 2007 that the goal of sanctions on Iran was to cause so much distress among the people that they would rise up and topple their government.

    A few days ago another US congressman who is so much like every other US congressman that he is completely forgettable, conceded: “We know that sanctions are hurting the Iranian people more than they are hurting the government. That is part of the plan: to cause anger among the people …”

    This was precisely the expectation among G H W Bush’s advisors in Persian Gulf War: Jeff Engel has studied the decision making process in that debacle. He reported: “The team did not plan to pursue Saddam because they were 99% certain that the Iraqi people would take him down themselves. . . . If they had the same decision to make again, they would decide exactly the same way.”

    US war makers are convinced — beyond all rationality, that is, contrary to all evidence, that a show of force, or collective punishment of the people of a government the US does not like, will cause that collective to rise up against that leadership.

    It was the rationale behind the terror-bombing of Germany that incinerated 600,000 German civilians.

    It didn’t work in Germany.
    It is not working in Gaza.
    It did not work in Iraq.

    It will not work in Iran.

    The people of the USA, on the other hand, have meekly transformed themselves into Israel’s Willing Executioners.

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  40. KA says:
    @Ronald Thomas West
    What you say is consistent with my understanding. What is particularly troubling is the fact of so little dissent within the ranks. Colin Powell is said (very good source) to have thrown a fit at the information he was provided to present to the UN as a pretext for the invasion. And then he went ahead and did so, precisely as the known (to himself) falsified script called for. ??

    That said, I do pose questions more often than not in a rhetorical sense, an attempt to get people to not only think but rethink as many aspects as possible. It's a complex soup with a lot of variables, not least a peculiar cowardice (Powell example) on entirely too many players part, incompetence and outright stupidity. Factor in the sociopath element, those who're rank criminal personalities (you've named some of those) .. and not least, sycophant allies without the least bit of evidence of a spine. It just goes on in a circumstance that would appear everyone has dirt on everyone. This is a social environment that invites crimes of a high order.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2013/02/04/colin-powell-conned-or-con-man/

    “The deputy director [CIA]replied: “As I said last night, let’s keep in mind the fact that this war’s going to happen regardless of what Curveball said or didn’t say, and the powers that be probably aren’t terribly interested in whether Curveball knows what he’s talking about.” (That e-mail message and similar material were released in July 2004 by Sen. Dianne Feinstein of the Senate Intelligence Committee.)

    and Powell recognized ,so did Wilkerson that evidence was full of ” bull _t”
    but within an hour ““Within an hour, [CIA Director George] Tenet and [CIA Deputy Director John] McLaughlin dropped a bombshell on the table in the [CIA] director’s Conference Room: a high-level AQ detainee had just revealed under interrogation substantive contacts between AQ and Baghdad, including Iraqis training AQ operatives in the use of chemical and biological weapons.”
    This man was al Libi who later recanted and accused of being tortured by CIA.He since then has disappeared from earth .
    Powell was trying . But he tried to strike a bargain with a devil . Devil always robs the soul .

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    Also relevant to this article ,the same article goes on to say" Wilkerson’s account underscores how the Bush administration’s reliance on harsh interrogations of al-Qaeda suspects influenced the rush to war with Iraq, while also pointing out how the need to justify the war gave impetus to the use of torture for extracting information."
    War is a strategy and torture is one of the tactics . So is the build up of the canard by the media to serve the needs that war seeks to satisfy .Church is no different . Neither is the College of Divinity or the secular philosophy . War is in 21 st ( was same in 20 th) a total war . Everybody and every organization is mobilized including the body and the soul . It is difficult to day no. Humans in many ways are frail
    , @Ronald Thomas West
    Consortium News is another of those sites I would not use for a source. Robert Parry's American constitutional revisionism is patently, demonstrably false, as well he staunchly backs the official line (lies) of the 9/11 commission.

    That said, Lawrence Wilkerson is an outstanding individual but I'd certainly look for other sources to look at his stuff; and never trust the context of Consortium News reporting.
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  41. KA says:
    @KA
    https://consortiumnews.com/2013/02/04/colin-powell-conned-or-con-man/

    "The deputy director [CIA]replied: “As I said last night, let’s keep in mind the fact that this war’s going to happen regardless of what Curveball said or didn’t say, and the powers that be probably aren’t terribly interested in whether Curveball knows what he’s talking about.” (That e-mail message and similar material were released in July 2004 by Sen. Dianne Feinstein of the Senate Intelligence Committee.)

    and Powell recognized ,so did Wilkerson that evidence was full of " bull _t"
    but within an hour "“Within an hour, [CIA Director George] Tenet and [CIA Deputy Director John] McLaughlin dropped a bombshell on the table in the [CIA] director’s Conference Room: a high-level AQ detainee had just revealed under interrogation substantive contacts between AQ and Baghdad, including Iraqis training AQ operatives in the use of chemical and biological weapons.”
    This man was al Libi who later recanted and accused of being tortured by CIA.He since then has disappeared from earth .
    Powell was trying . But he tried to strike a bargain with a devil . Devil always robs the soul .

    Also relevant to this article ,the same article goes on to say” Wilkerson’s account underscores how the Bush administration’s reliance on harsh interrogations of al-Qaeda suspects influenced the rush to war with Iraq, while also pointing out how the need to justify the war gave impetus to the use of torture for extracting information.”
    War is a strategy and torture is one of the tactics . So is the build up of the canard by the media to serve the needs that war seeks to satisfy .Church is no different . Neither is the College of Divinity or the secular philosophy . War is in 21 st ( was same in 20 th) a total war . Everybody and every organization is mobilized including the body and the soul . It is difficult to day no. Humans in many ways are frail

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  42. In a 1985 appearance Richard Perle said that the US and especially Europe had not experienced terror, and until they did they would not be willing to implement the necessary measures to confront it. http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/0606.htm

    Thirty years ago Perle was laying the groundwork — or “preparing minds” — for the hundred years war that we are now engaged in.

    More to the point, through research, books and videos such as those prepared by Jeff Gates and Anthony Lawson, some of us are only now becoming aware of the extent of this planning.

    Which raises this concern: If the chaos that we are learning about and experiencing today was planned at least 30 years ago, what plans are afoot today that we will not learn about for another ????

    Eric Cline presents himself as an archeologist who specializes in the history of Israel in biblical times.
    According to Cline, the book of Joshua and the conquest of Jericho present well-conceived military planning, from the use of spies to the subornation of a prostitute to betray her city and then abandon her people in favor of the invading force, etc.

    The part of the story of the destruction and occupation of Jericho that I find pertinent is this instruction:

    And the LORD said to Joshua: “See! I have given Jericho into your hand, its king, and the mighty men of valor. You shall march around the city, all you men of war; you shall go all around the city once. This you shall do six days. And seven priests shall bear seven trumpets of rams’ horns before the ark. But the seventh day you shall march around the city seven times, and the priests shall blow the trumpets. It shall come to pass, when they make a long blast with the ram’s horn, and when you hear the sound of the trumpet, that all the people shall shout with a great shout; then the wall of the city will fall down flat. And the people shall go up every man straight before him.”

    The “seven priests” of the Hebrew people have been marching around our cities for nigh on six days. We have even heard the spin emerging from the ram’s horn. When shall we expect the invasion and takeover of the USA to be complete?

    And why in the name of all that speaks to man’s highest aspirations do we call the old testament a holy book, and allow ourselves as Christians to be ball-and-chained to Abraham?

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    And why in the name of all that speaks to man’s highest aspirations do we call the old testament a holy book, and allow ourselves as Christians to be ball-and-chained to Abraham?
     
    The simple answer would be Abraham Vereide's present spiritual-political heir, Doug Coe, boss of a religious-business cult, 'The Family', behind the so-called 'National Prayer Breakfast.' It goes back to the 1930s when a group of anti-new deal conservative [fascist would be a more accurate description] Christian businessmen organized in cells based on intelligence model; integrated to corporate boards. Very unusual in the Western culture, Vereide's model called for quiet endeavor over decades with patience the crowning virtue. Mentality more along the lines of the Chinese in sense of time frame. The end goal is essentially a 'New Jews' of St Paul rule of a new 'kingdom' or their future vision for the USA. I don't really look at it as a perversion of scripture as many Christians might, but then I am very far from any religion tracing its roots to Abraham. Likely that's a good thing insofar as removing the ethnocentric aspect of cultural bias in examining the facts.

    As much as there might be (there clearly is) a cooperating Jewish based criminal-religious syndicate bringing us to the brink, their Christian peer working the inside is no less a player, no less dangerous, no less accomplished and no less criminal. Both groups are deeply embedded in not only the political structures of the USA, but also in the military and intelligence structures.

    Without the Christian group's cooperation, the Jewish group (Israeli-MOSSAD aligned) group would never had advanced as far as they have.

    My interest has been more to developing analysis of the Christian aspect.
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  43. @SolontoCroesus
    In a 1985 appearance Richard Perle said that the US and especially Europe had not experienced terror, and until they did they would not be willing to implement the necessary measures to confront it. http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/0606.htm

    Thirty years ago Perle was laying the groundwork -- or "preparing minds" -- for the hundred years war that we are now engaged in.

    More to the point, through research, books and videos such as those prepared by Jeff Gates and Anthony Lawson, some of us are only now becoming aware of the extent of this planning.

    Which raises this concern: If the chaos that we are learning about and experiencing today was planned at least 30 years ago, what plans are afoot today that we will not learn about for another ????


    ---

    Eric Cline presents himself as an archeologist who specializes in the history of Israel in biblical times.
    According to Cline, the book of Joshua and the conquest of Jericho present well-conceived military planning, from the use of spies to the subornation of a prostitute to betray her city and then abandon her people in favor of the invading force, etc.

    The part of the story of the destruction and occupation of Jericho that I find pertinent is this instruction:

    And the LORD said to Joshua: “See! I have given Jericho into your hand, its king, and the mighty men of valor. You shall march around the city, all you men of war; you shall go all around the city once. This you shall do six days. And seven priests shall bear seven trumpets of rams’ horns before the ark. But the seventh day you shall march around the city seven times, and the priests shall blow the trumpets. It shall come to pass, when they make a long blast with the ram’s horn, and when you hear the sound of the trumpet, that all the people shall shout with a great shout; then the wall of the city will fall down flat. And the people shall go up every man straight before him.”
     
    The "seven priests" of the Hebrew people have been marching around our cities for nigh on six days. We have even heard the spin emerging from the ram's horn. When shall we expect the invasion and takeover of the USA to be complete?

    And why in the name of all that speaks to man's highest aspirations do we call the old testament a holy book, and allow ourselves as Christians to be ball-and-chained to Abraham?

    And why in the name of all that speaks to man’s highest aspirations do we call the old testament a holy book, and allow ourselves as Christians to be ball-and-chained to Abraham?

    The simple answer would be Abraham Vereide’s present spiritual-political heir, Doug Coe, boss of a religious-business cult, ‘The Family’, behind the so-called ‘National Prayer Breakfast.’ It goes back to the 1930s when a group of anti-new deal conservative [fascist would be a more accurate description] Christian businessmen organized in cells based on intelligence model; integrated to corporate boards. Very unusual in the Western culture, Vereide’s model called for quiet endeavor over decades with patience the crowning virtue. Mentality more along the lines of the Chinese in sense of time frame. The end goal is essentially a ‘New Jews’ of St Paul rule of a new ‘kingdom’ or their future vision for the USA. I don’t really look at it as a perversion of scripture as many Christians might, but then I am very far from any religion tracing its roots to Abraham. Likely that’s a good thing insofar as removing the ethnocentric aspect of cultural bias in examining the facts.

    As much as there might be (there clearly is) a cooperating Jewish based criminal-religious syndicate bringing us to the brink, their Christian peer working the inside is no less a player, no less dangerous, no less accomplished and no less criminal. Both groups are deeply embedded in not only the political structures of the USA, but also in the military and intelligence structures.

    Without the Christian group’s cooperation, the Jewish group (Israeli-MOSSAD aligned) group would never had advanced as far as they have.

    My interest has been more to developing analysis of the Christian aspect.

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  44. @KA
    https://consortiumnews.com/2013/02/04/colin-powell-conned-or-con-man/

    "The deputy director [CIA]replied: “As I said last night, let’s keep in mind the fact that this war’s going to happen regardless of what Curveball said or didn’t say, and the powers that be probably aren’t terribly interested in whether Curveball knows what he’s talking about.” (That e-mail message and similar material were released in July 2004 by Sen. Dianne Feinstein of the Senate Intelligence Committee.)

    and Powell recognized ,so did Wilkerson that evidence was full of " bull _t"
    but within an hour "“Within an hour, [CIA Director George] Tenet and [CIA Deputy Director John] McLaughlin dropped a bombshell on the table in the [CIA] director’s Conference Room: a high-level AQ detainee had just revealed under interrogation substantive contacts between AQ and Baghdad, including Iraqis training AQ operatives in the use of chemical and biological weapons.”
    This man was al Libi who later recanted and accused of being tortured by CIA.He since then has disappeared from earth .
    Powell was trying . But he tried to strike a bargain with a devil . Devil always robs the soul .

    Consortium News is another of those sites I would not use for a source. Robert Parry’s American constitutional revisionism is patently, demonstrably false, as well he staunchly backs the official line (lies) of the 9/11 commission.

    That said, Lawrence Wilkerson is an outstanding individual but I’d certainly look for other sources to look at his stuff; and never trust the context of Consortium News reporting.

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    Well , if I maintained that I wouldn't believe certain things for their origins out of certain media then I would lose a lot of potential leads,clues,and ignore quite a few probabilities .
    Will I ignore the '4 part series 'by Brit Hume and Carl Cameron on Israel and 911 ?
    Will I ignore Bush 's reference to the pressure for attack on Iran was coming from neocon and Israel on the ground that he lied us into war on false claims?

    Robert Parry's media isn't what make me accept this narrative. Its the presence of the quotes and the person McGovern who wrote this column,that what make it believable .
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  45. KA says:
    @Ronald Thomas West
    Consortium News is another of those sites I would not use for a source. Robert Parry's American constitutional revisionism is patently, demonstrably false, as well he staunchly backs the official line (lies) of the 9/11 commission.

    That said, Lawrence Wilkerson is an outstanding individual but I'd certainly look for other sources to look at his stuff; and never trust the context of Consortium News reporting.

    Well , if I maintained that I wouldn’t believe certain things for their origins out of certain media then I would lose a lot of potential leads,clues,and ignore quite a few probabilities .
    Will I ignore the ’4 part series ‘by Brit Hume and Carl Cameron on Israel and 911 ?
    Will I ignore Bush ‘s reference to the pressure for attack on Iran was coming from neocon and Israel on the ground that he lied us into war on false claims?

    Robert Parry’s media isn’t what make me accept this narrative. Its the presence of the quotes and the person McGovern who wrote this column,that what make it believable .

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  46. Parry’s bosom buddy Ray ‘let the almighty sort out accountability in the afterlife’ McGovern? I find his essay conclusions resembling ‘let god sort it out’ highly irresponsible in any civic sense.

    Beyond that, my take is, Ray McGovern provides inaccurate analysis, deflecting responsibility from those most responsible for criminal policy at CIA. For instance McGovern’s analysis had consistently kept the focus off the boss of his former agency, John Brennan, who is the real mover behind the curtain relating to what is going on in Ukraine. McGovern primarily focused on John Kerry who is nothing more than the voice of Foghorn Leghorn, a paid cartoon actor, and Victoria Nuland who wouldn’t have permission to break wind on the subject of Ukraine without John Brennan approved blueprints. Maybe he’s just senile or incompetent rather than intimidated or just a little too CIA friendly for my taste. That was my take until I quit following his stuff sometime back.

    There’s probably very little at Consortium News that can’t be found in a cleaner context elsewhere.

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  47. Ragno says:

    Maybe it’s time to call that ‘War on Terror’ by its true name: the Pax Judaica.

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    sure thing,

    What role did Sam Untermyer play in drawing USA into WWII?

    http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/23887264?uid=2134&uid=4581343147&uid=3739960&uid=4581343157&uid=2&uid=70&uid=3&uid=4581343147&uid=3739256&uid=60&sid=21106717240953


    http://greek-genocide.net/index.php/bibliography/newspapers/159-2-dec-1922-to-fight-for-billion-and-rich-oil-lands-for-sultan-s-heirs

    http://www.sechistorical.org/museum/galleries/kennedy/politicians_c.php
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  49. @sure thing
    and:

    http://m.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/05/05/anglo-american-money-owners-organized-world-war-ii.html
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  50. @Don Nash
    "The most recent ex-judicial killings come on the heels of a report by the highly respected Nobel prize winning Physicians for Social Responsibility that reveals that more than 1.3 million people were killed during the first ten years post 9/11 as part of the so-called “global war of terror” (GWOT) in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan alone."
    Gosh, would 1.3 million people killed be considered genocide?

    A fresh reminder….Dyslectic leftist Americans facilitate worldwide terror!

    In their leftist PC posture they are enablers of destruction and bestialities around the world! They weep and wail about church destructions, beheadings, kidnappings, murder of Christians, rape of women, kidnappings of children…BUT…they can NOT seem to Pin-Point the Problem, it is way too complicated!! But then, the left is averse to common sense and mathematics so maybe this will help them!

    Bob Rice, Mechanicsburg, PA
    ************************

    ADD IT UP LEFTISTS…TWO + TWO = FOUR

    [MORE]

    The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
    The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
    The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
    The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
    The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
    The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
    The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
    The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
    The Moscow Theater Attackers were Muslims
    The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
    The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
    The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
    The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
    The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
    The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
    The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
    The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
    The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
    The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
    The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
    The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
    The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
    The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
    The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
    The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims

    Think of it:

    Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
    Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
    Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
    Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
    Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
    Confucians living with Baha’is = No Problem
    Baha’is living with Jews = No Problem
    Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
    Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
    Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
    Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
    Hindus living with Baha’is = No Problem
    Baha’is living with Christians = No Problem
    Christians living with Jews = No Problem
    Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
    Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
    Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
    Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
    Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

    Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
    Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
    Muslims living with Christians = Problem
    Muslims living with Jews = Problem
    Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
    Muslims living with Baha’is = Problem
    Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
    Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
    Muslims living with homosexuals = Problem
    MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

    **********SO*****************

    They’re not happy in Gaza
    They’re not happy in Egypt
    They’re not happy in Libya
    They’re not happy in Morocco
    They’re not happy in Iran
    They’re not happy in Iraq
    They’re not happy in Yemen
    They’re not happy in Afghanistan
    They’re not happy in Pakistan
    They’re not happy in Syria
    They’re not happy in Lebanon
    They’re not happy in Nigeria
    They’re not happy in Kenya
    They’re not happy in Sudan

    ******** So, where are they happy? **********

    They’re happy in Australia
    They’re happy in England
    They’re happy in Belgium
    They’re happy in France
    They’re happy in Italy
    They’re happy in Germany
    They’re happy in Sweden
    They’re happy in the USA & Canada
    They’re happy in Norway & India

    They’re happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! But they seem to thrive on everybody being unhappy including themselves so, logically, they spend most of their time looking for ways to make everyone unhappy!

    WHO DO THEY BLAME FOR THEIR UNHAPPINESS?
    Not Islam… Not their leadership… Not themselves, THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY MOVED TO TO BE HAPPY IN!!

    And they want to change the countries they’re happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will get hammered!

    Islamic Jihad: THE FUNDAMENTAL TACTIC FOR SPREADING MUSLIM ISLAMIC TERROR AROUND THE WORLD!
    ISIS : AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    AND A LOT MORE …

    And the left just can’t figure out who’s causing the problem ???

    So we elected one of them to our White House to Fundamentally Transform America so that everyone can be unhappy OR DEAD!!!

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    Gosh Bob, you are a mathematical artist. By the by, I'm not "leftist." I'm not "rightest" either. However, I do NOT work or play well with others. It would appear that you've way too much time on your hands.
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  51. Don Nash says:
    @Eternal Vigilance
    A fresh reminder....Dyslectic leftist Americans facilitate worldwide terror!

    In their leftist PC posture they are enablers of destruction and bestialities around the world! They weep and wail about church destructions, beheadings, kidnappings, murder of Christians, rape of women, kidnappings of children…BUT…they can NOT seem to Pin-Point the Problem, it is way too complicated!! But then, the left is averse to common sense and mathematics so maybe this will help them!

    Bob Rice, Mechanicsburg, PA
    ************************

    ADD IT UP LEFTISTS…TWO + TWO = FOUR

    The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
    The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
    The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
    The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
    The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
    The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
    The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
    The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
    The Moscow Theater Attackers were Muslims
    The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
    The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
    The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
    The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
    The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
    The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
    The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
    The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
    The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
    The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
    The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
    The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
    The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
    The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
    The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
    The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims

    Think of it:

    Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
    Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
    Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
    Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
    Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
    Confucians living with Baha'is = No Problem
    Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
    Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
    Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
    Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
    Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
    Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
    Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
    Christians living with Jews = No Problem
    Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
    Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
    Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
    Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
    Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

    Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
    Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
    Muslims living with Christians = Problem
    Muslims living with Jews = Problem
    Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
    Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
    Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
    Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
    Muslims living with homosexuals = Problem
    MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

    **********SO*****************

    They're not happy in Gaza
    They're not happy in Egypt
    They're not happy in Libya
    They're not happy in Morocco
    They're not happy in Iran
    They're not happy in Iraq
    They're not happy in Yemen
    They're not happy in Afghanistan
    They're not happy in Pakistan
    They're not happy in Syria
    They're not happy in Lebanon
    They're not happy in Nigeria
    They're not happy in Kenya
    They're not happy in Sudan

    ******** So, where are they happy? **********

    They're happy in Australia
    They're happy in England
    They're happy in Belgium
    They're happy in France
    They're happy in Italy
    They're happy in Germany
    They're happy in Sweden
    They're happy in the USA & Canada
    They're happy in Norway & India

    They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! But they seem to thrive on everybody being unhappy including themselves so, logically, they spend most of their time looking for ways to make everyone unhappy!

    WHO DO THEY BLAME FOR THEIR UNHAPPINESS?
    Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves, THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY MOVED TO TO BE HAPPY IN!!

    And they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will get hammered!

    Islamic Jihad: THE FUNDAMENTAL TACTIC FOR SPREADING MUSLIM ISLAMIC TERROR AROUND THE WORLD!
    ISIS : AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
    AND A LOT MORE …

    And the left just can’t figure out who's causing the problem ???

    So we elected one of them to our White House to Fundamentally Transform America so that everyone can be unhappy OR DEAD!!!

    Gosh Bob, you are a mathematical artist. By the by, I’m not “leftist.” I’m not “rightest” either. However, I do NOT work or play well with others. It would appear that you’ve way too much time on your hands.

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  52. Dan says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    Ronald Thomas West is too pure to study the work of Jeff Gates and Anthony Lawson because it’s hosted on this website http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/01/19/new-jeff-gates-video-israels-role-in-terrorism/ (which makes as much sense as refusing to read Phil Giraldi because he writes on the same internet that Netanyahu uses)
     
    Maybe you're comparing apple to oranges. If you can show me Phil and Bibi submitting to the same site, I'll concede your point. In fact, I simply avoid the more patent disinformation sites of which Veterans Today is self admitted (according to Gordon Duff.) I'd don't need anything put out by VT, no different to I don't need anything put out by David Icke or Alex Jones.

    What is more, as soon as someone thinks they have the facts all nailed down, according to some grand plan, they're more often than not going to be wrong. To that point, GWOT is a multifaceted phenomena with diverse players and forces, with any number of developments reflecting that fact. There are multiple agenda and competing personalities, where in any given day there can be shifting alliances with some cooperating, others at loggerheads and any number of possibilities where players and events can end up at cross purposes, i.e. FUBAR (for those familiar with the acronym.)

    It is a bit far-fetched to ascribe what's happening with GWOT to a narrow agenda of any small circle. As much as any American Christian-Jewish neo-conservative alliance might play in the works, there is always much more; greed is big in the corporate boardrooms and they're making money hand over fist. And there is narrow vision at two many levels of leadership at the domestic and international levels to describe here, but one of those failures of vision is in relation to geopolitical weapons trafficking, both 'legal' and illegal. Economies integrated to weapons systems production, to stay afloat, have to keep producing. Right there is a large, stands alone, GWOT driver. I could go on but I doubt you much appreciate sight beyond your decidedly entrenched point of view.

    And so as not to lose sight of my original observation, here it is again*

    So we Americans have killed directly or indirectly maybe a million people
     
    I doubt the ‘maybe.’ Four years ago there were already credible estimates of one million dead in Iraq due to health related issues stemming from the destruction of that nation’s infrastructure. Now, adding in Syria, almost certainly the numbers are by far too conservative.

    And let’s not forget that we created al-Qaeda and also enabled ISIS by destroying Iraq and supporting the resistance in Syria
     
    This could be more clear; we created what became al-Qaeda with our endeavors in Afghanistan in the 1980s, opening the door to their resurgence in Iraq; with the overthrow of the secular Bath regime of Saddam. ISIS is a secondary development born of the Sunnis of Iraq had been 1) terrorized by the efforts of David Petraeus 1st Iraq tour with American support for Shia run torture centers and death squads:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2013/mar/06/james-steele-america-iraq-video

    And after, the Petraeus inspired Sunni ‘awakening councils’ (ostensibly created to fight al-Qaeda) provided significant trained manpower, left unemployed, that would join with alienated Sunnis from across the spectrum (Bathists, al-Qaeda inspired Iraqis and foreign volunteers) of which a large portion would be organized and tested in neighboring Syria and morph into Islamic State, spilling back into Iraq. The USA set up the civil war in Iraq almost as though it had been strategically planned. Are our generals that stupid? After all, they’re responsible for laying out the military strategies adopted by our executive. Did anyone at the Pentagon ever stand up and state ‘none of this will do anything other than create larger problems’ ? Not that I can recall. Is their hubris that great? The strategies were destined to fail from incubation. How did that happen?

    No small detail in all of this (my view) is the GWOT baseline or September, 2001. If this is going to be the defining reference point, there is a sort of ‘which came first’ question, 9/11 or GWOT? There are simply too many unanswered questions:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/05/12/1617/

    * The above ^ link is quite informative

    It is a bit far-fetched to ascribe what’s happening with GWOT to a narrow agenda of any small circle.

    No it’s not; not at all, and by willfully obscuring the Zionist agenda of International Jewry with secondary considerations, such as war profiteering and the opportunism of bit players and stooges, which are effects and not causes, you reveal yourself either a limited hangout or, more likely, to paraphrase Johnson, a moral coward whose caution is borrowed from fear and attributed to policy. If you can’t see the Jews behind the curtain of world events and the economic and cultural rape of our country…but of course you can, but are afraid to say so.

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    by willfully obscuring the Zionist agenda of International Jewry with secondary considerations, such as war profiteering and the opportunism of bit players and stooges, which are effects and not causes, you reveal yourself either a limited hangout or, more likely, to paraphrase Johnson, a moral coward whose caution is borrowed from fear and attributed to policy. If you can’t see the Jews behind the curtain of world events and the economic and cultural rape of our country…but of course you can, but are afraid to say so
     
    People who are transfixed on Jews miss big pieces of the puzzle. Certainly there are Jews contributing to the problem in big ways and I've had a few things to say about that, here's an example:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/02/24/profits-of-war/

    But then, if you blame it all on Jews, you'd miss some considerable overlap:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/05/14/gods-chosen-a-dumb-idea/

    And downplaying the overlap with Christian fascism overlooks forces that are quite considerable:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/04/23/sociopaths-democracy/

    Insofar as the 'moral coward' ad hominem shot, you lower your own character
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  53. Anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer

    There is so much pessimism and deliberate misinformation about the progress in this war on terror that no wonder support is dwindling. Let me just inform some of you know-it-all bloggers that a recent assessment of the war’s progress has found that what was originally viewed as something Dick Cheney is quoted as saying should be “endless” or “at least the next 100 years” is now projected to be a victory over terrorism much sooner. Current assessments for the war’s progress are now predicting an American victory over terrorism within the next 60 to 70 years. Stay the course America. We can do the same thing over and over again and expect different results. Trust me.

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  54. @Dan
    It is a bit far-fetched to ascribe what’s happening with GWOT to a narrow agenda of any small circle.

    No it's not; not at all, and by willfully obscuring the Zionist agenda of International Jewry with secondary considerations, such as war profiteering and the opportunism of bit players and stooges, which are effects and not causes, you reveal yourself either a limited hangout or, more likely, to paraphrase Johnson, a moral coward whose caution is borrowed from fear and attributed to policy. If you can't see the Jews behind the curtain of world events and the economic and cultural rape of our country...but of course you can, but are afraid to say so.

    by willfully obscuring the Zionist agenda of International Jewry with secondary considerations, such as war profiteering and the opportunism of bit players and stooges, which are effects and not causes, you reveal yourself either a limited hangout or, more likely, to paraphrase Johnson, a moral coward whose caution is borrowed from fear and attributed to policy. If you can’t see the Jews behind the curtain of world events and the economic and cultural rape of our country…but of course you can, but are afraid to say so

    People who are transfixed on Jews miss big pieces of the puzzle. Certainly there are Jews contributing to the problem in big ways and I’ve had a few things to say about that, here’s an example:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/02/24/profits-of-war/

    But then, if you blame it all on Jews, you’d miss some considerable overlap:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/05/14/gods-chosen-a-dumb-idea/

    And downplaying the overlap with Christian fascism overlooks forces that are quite considerable:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/04/23/sociopaths-democracy/

    Insofar as the ‘moral coward’ ad hominem shot, you lower your own character

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  55. @Ronald Thomas West

    Jeff Gates and Anthony Lawson covered those “small details” of the GWOT, and reviewed the “strategic planning” , game theory likely headed by Robert Auman at Hebrew University’s Center for Study of Rationality.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/01/19/new-jeff-gates-video-israels-role-in-terrorism/
     
    You kill your credibility with referencing Veterans Today:

    "About 30% of what’s written on Veterans Today, is patently false. About 40% of what I write, is at least purposely, partially false, because if I didn’t write false information I wouldn’t be alive" -Gordon Duff, 2012

    I'm not going down your path and that's the end of it.

    Which leaves 60% worth a look. So don’t be lazy .

    Good piece here on the spectacularly crude Charlie Hebdo Redux in Garland, Texas. The ‘war on turrah’ is obviously looking for a cash-injection. (And just check out the swats-on-steroids)..

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/05/04/hebdo-redux-in-garland-texas-mohammed-cartoon-shooting-reeks-of-staged-false-flag/

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    Which leaves 60% worth a look. So don’t be lazy
     
    Sure, and just send everyone who reads at Veterans Today crystal balls so they will know what is poison and what is clean.

    Charlie Hebdo? Try this:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/01/09/opus-dei-creavit-monitor-lacertae/

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  56. @Sure Thing
    Which leaves 60% worth a look. So don't be lazy .

    Good piece here on the spectacularly crude Charlie Hebdo Redux in Garland, Texas. The 'war on turrah' is obviously looking for a cash-injection. (And just check out the swats-on-steroids)..

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/05/04/hebdo-redux-in-garland-texas-mohammed-cartoon-shooting-reeks-of-staged-false-flag/

    Which leaves 60% worth a look. So don’t be lazy

    Sure, and just send everyone who reads at Veterans Today crystal balls so they will know what is poison and what is clean.

    Charlie Hebdo? Try this:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/01/09/opus-dei-creavit-monitor-lacertae/

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