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My goal in writing about these things is to alert you to the problems and encourage you to share your concerns with people you know and with federal policy-makers. Right now, the entire gamut of political discussion all but excludes the topic nuclear war, so if some Senators, Members of Congress, and the President were to begin hearing from people that we’re concerned about the threat, and how easily it could happen, and that we want that threat removed, it would be some progress.

Why the focus on nuclear war? Because of all the pending potential disasters we may have to face, it’s the most sudden, inescapable, irrevocable. At some level, people know that, though they don’t like to think about it. Author Carl Boggs describes the reaction of the people of Hawaii when they received a false alarm about an incoming ICBM attack:

People scattered frenetically, mostly without logic or purpose or hope. Where to go? If this turned out to be one of Kim Jong Un’s powerful ICBMs, it could be over in 20 minutes. Repair to a shelter? None exist. Go to the basement? Sure suicide. Find a car or taxi and head for the hills? No time. … [T]he response was utter psychological numbness, paralysis – a dysfunctional yet comprehensible state of mind in the face of nuclear oblivion. … [T]he end seemed inescapable.

And because, as Mr. Boggs says upon hearing a talk by former nuclear war planner Daniel Ellsberg, it’s a lot less unlikely than most of us have been led to believe.

The American people have been lulled to sleep, distracted by endless media and political spectacles, while busy warmakers keep refining their insane nuclear blueprints … . More than 70 years after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Pentagon elites still theorize and fantasize about the unthinkable, their demented plans far removed from the realm of political debate or even public awareness.[1]Carl Boggs in “Doomsday Panic in Hawaii,” January 23, 2018), https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/01/23/doomsday-pan...awaii/ . For a useful discussion of “the myopic mindset of nuclear strategists and what we should be doing about it,” see Bo Filter, “The Prize—Extinction: Winning a Nuclear War?” (May 15-17, 2017), http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/05/15/winning-a-nu...r-war/ . This essay includes discussion of an important book I’ve seldom seen mentioned, Michio Kaku and Daniel Axelrod, To Win A Nuclear War: The Pentagon’s Secret War Plans (Black Rose Books, Montreal-New York, 1987).

The risk has been with us since the 1950s, but has become scarier beginning with the US-backed coup in Ukraine, and increased with US involvement in the war on Syria. It’s been heightened by plans for “modernization” of US warheads and delivery systems – plans initiated by President Obama and continuing or expanded by President Trump. And it’s heightened further by a Pentagon plan to develop a “low-yield” warhead for the submarine-based Trident missile, and a new nuclear-tipped sea-launched cruise missile.[2]Michael R. Gordon, “U.S. Plans New Nuclear Weapons,” The Wall Street Journal, January 10, 2018, p. 1. I believe that expanding the range of options in this way would increase the likelihood that the weapons will actually be used.

In case you think I’m overstating the problem, you should know that almost everything in “Dr. Strangelove” – the Stanley Kubrick film in which nuclear war is started by a rogue military officer – was true.[3]You can read about that in Eric Schlosser’s New Yorker piece, accessible at http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/almost-ever...s-true ; but for an update, see Mr. Schlosser’s “World War Three, By Mistake,” at http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/world-war-t...istake . “Doomsday” is an “Actual War Plan,” as Daniel Ellsberg says in a December 13, 2017 interview discussing his new book, The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner. [4]https://www.blackagendareport.com/daniel-ellsberg-do...r-plan .The book is reviewed in some detail in James Heddle, “Rational Insanity: the Mad Logic of America’s Nuclear ‘Doomsday Machine’” (January 9, 2018), at https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/01/09/rational-ins...chine/ .

Dan Ellsberg proposes a Six-Step Program for dismantling the Doomsday Machine:

  • A U.S. no-first-use policy;
  • Probing investigative hearings on our war plans in the light of nuclear winter;
  • Eliminating our ICBMs;
  • Foregoing the delusion of preemptive damage-limiting by our first-strike forces;
  • Giving up the profits, jobs, and alliance hegemony based on maintaining that pretense;
  • Otherwise dismantling the American Doomsday Machine.

Of course none of that will happen under present circumstances. It’s Ellsberg’s goal to contribute to developing an informed electorate that, recognizing the risk, will demand such actions.

Sleepwalking to Nuclear War

I hadn’t voted for him, but I thought I saw a silver lining in the election of Donald Trump. I had feared that Hillary Clinton’s call for “no-fly” zones over Syria, despite the presence of Russian warplanes already there at the request of the Syrian government, posed a serious risk of triggering World War III. I hoped we could oppose President Trump on everything else – which is to some extent happening – while basking in replacement of the New Cold War by rapprochement with nuclear-armed Russia. But the Democrats have helped put the kibosh on that possibility by determinedly blaming their electoral loss on Russia rather than accepting responsibility for it themselves, and that has unfortunately become the focus of much of the opposition.[5]For a brief overview on that topic see my “The Evidence-Free Claims Against Trump and Syria (Undermining Peace Efforts and Threatening More War),” June 12, 2017, posted at http://www.unz.com/article/the-evidence-free-claims...syria/ . More recently, Adam Shatz discusses many of the ways we could awaken (or not) to discover we had unwisely ignored the threat of nuclear war in “The President and the Bomb,” published in the November 16 issue of the London Review of Books. https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n22/adam-shatz/the-preside...e-bomb . Adam Shatz discusses many of the ways we could awaken (or not) to discover we had unwisely ignored the threat of nuclear war in “The President and the Bomb,” published in the November 16 issue of the London Review of Books. https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n22/adam-shatz/the-president-and-the-bomb . But as Mr. Shatz observes, the problems run much deeper than President Trump.

First, there is much to fear short of total nuclear war between the U.S. and Russia. For example, it appears that even a “small” nuclear exchange, between, say, India and Pakistan, could trigger nuclear winter putting two billion people at risk.[6]Ira Helfand, MD, International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War, “Nuclear Famine: Two Billion People at Risk?”, Second Edition, 2013. For a much briefer summary, see Steven Starr, “Nuclear War, Nuclear Winter, and Human Extinction,” October 14, 2015, https://fas.org/pir-pubs/nuclear-war-nuclear-winter-...ction/ .

Regarding the two nuclear-armed superpowers, who between them possess some 15,000 nuclear warheads, the Cold War that ended in 1991 has lately been replaced by a New Cold War. U.S. and NATO provocations to Russia have reached a largely unheard crescendo in Ukraine, where a U.S.-backed coup installed a regime, essentially in the Russian belly, that’s riddled with neo-Nazis and hostile to Russia; in eastern Europe generally, where NATO war games have been held repeatedly just across the Russian border; and in Syria, where the U.S. continues to maintain an unlawful presence in proximity to Russian forces legitimately there at the invitation of the internationally recognized and constitutionally elected Syrian government. And in both Syria and Ukraine, there are signs the situation is becoming even more dangerous than it’s been for some time.[7]For a brief treatment of the Ukraine situation, see “Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault,” by University of Chicago professor John J. Mearsheimer, Foreign Affairs, September-October 2014, and a critique of that article and Prof. Mearsheimer’s reply in the November-December 2014 issue, http://www.foreignaffairs.com/author/john-j-mearsheimer. I posted a more elaborate discussion at https://healingjustice.wordpress.com/ . The current situation seems to be worsening rather than improving. See Gilbert Doctorow, “A Coming Russia-Ukraine War?”, https://consortiumnews.com/2018/01/21/a-coming-russi...e-war/ .On Syria, I wrote “What’s Really Happening in Syria: A Consumer Fraud Lawyer’s Mini-Primer,” which has been posted on the web at http://www.syriasolidaritymovement.org/2017/01/21/m...regon/ and also printed as a booklet, available from me at 1430 Willamette Street, # 366, Eugene, OR97401-4049. A recent brief update is by Mike Whitney, “Trump’s Plan B for Syria: Occupation and Intimidation ,” January 19, 2018, https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/01/19/trumps-plan-...ation/

These situations raise the risk of unintended nuclear war, as confrontation may lead at any time to escalation spiraling out of control. Dr. William Polk, a member of the White House team that handled the Cuban Missile Crisis, describes how in a confrontational situation, the logic of events could force the Russians and us to the next step and that step also to the next and so on, to the ultimate disastrous result without anyone having initially intended it.[8]William K. Polk, “Cuban Missile Crisis In Reverse? The Cold War and Ukraine,” at https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/25/the-cold-war...raine/ , and “Shaping the Deep Memories of Russians and Ukrainians,” http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/...k.html . Mr. Shatz concludes that what we once mistook for safety was more like sleepwalking. Former Australian diplomat Tony Kevin sums up the situation in similar terms:

“Under the false and demonizing imagery of ‘Putin’s Russia’ which has now taken hold in the United States and NATO world, the West is truly ‘sleepwalking’, as Kissinger, Gorbachev, [University of Kent professor Richard] Sakwa, [Princeton emeritus professor Stephen F.] Cohen and others have urgently warned, into a potential nuclear war with Russia. It is the Cuban missile crisis all over again, but actually worse now … [in part] because American policy under recent U.S. presidents has been so lacking in statesmanship, consistency or historical perspective where Russia is concerned.” (Return to Moscow, University of Western Australia, 2017, p. 255).

“Russian Meddling”

The claim of Russian meddling in the US election has brought US-Russia relations to what may be an all-time low, substantially contributing to the near-universal demonization of Russian president Vladimir Putin and of Russia itself in virtually all major media, with little or no discussion of the supposed evidence for the claim. A stellar exception is the London Review of Books, which published a critically important essay by RutgersUniversity professor Jackson Lears in the January 4, 2018 issue. Titled “What We Don’t Talk about When We Talk about Russian Hacking,” the article is an excellent overview and analysis of many of the issues the title suggests. The claim of Russian meddling in the election remains to this day evidence-free, although you would never know that from the treatment of the topic in the mainstream media. As Professor Lears observes:

Like any orthodoxy worth its salt, the religion of the Russian hack depends not on evidence but on ex cathedra pronouncements on the part of authoritative institutions and their overlords. Its scriptural foundation is a confused and largely fact-free ‘assessment’ produced last January by a small number of ‘hand-picked’ analysts – as James Clapper, the director of National Intelligence, described them – from the CIA, the FBI and the NSA. The claims of the last were made with only ‘moderate’ confidence. The label Intelligence Community Assessment creates a misleading impression of unanimity, given that only three of the 16 US intelligence agencies contributed to the report. And indeed the assessment itself contained this crucial admission: ‘Judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact. Assessments are based on collected information, which is often incomplete or fragmentary, as well as logic, argumentation and precedents.’ Yet the assessment has passed into the media imagination as if it were unassailable fact, allowing journalists to assume what has yet to be proved. In doing so they serve as mouthpieces for the intelligence agencies, or at least for those ‘hand-picked’ analysts.

But although Professor Lears refers to the reports of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity in his discussion of “Russian hacking,” it seems clear there must have been a leak, not a hack, because “the DNC data was copied onto a storage device at a speed that far exceeds an Internet capability for a remote hack.” (“Was the ‘Russian Hack’ An Inside Job?”, July 25, 2017, https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/25/was-the-russian-hack-an-inside-job/ .)

In any case, definitive claims about who was responsible (assuming, purely arguendo, it was a hack) face the fact that, according to Ray McGovern and William S. Binney, two members of VIPS,

On March 31, 2017, WikiLeaks released original CIA documents [the "Vault 7" trove of CIA documents] — ignored by mainstream media — showing that the agency had created a program allowing it to break into computers and servers and make it look like others did it by leaving telltale signs like Cyrillic markings, for example. (“Trumped-up Claims Against Trump,” May 17, 2017, http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-trump-russia-phony-20170517-story.html ).

McGovern was a CIA analyst for 27 years; Binney worked for NSA for 36 years, was the agency’s technical director of world military and geopolitical analysis and reporting, and created many of the collection systems still used by NSA.

In other words, as Russian president Vladimir Putin has explained,

today’s technology is such that the final address can be masked and camouflaged to an extent that no one will be able to understand the origin of that address. And, vice versa, it is possible to set up any entity or any individual [so] that everyone will think that they are the exact source of that attack. (Valdimir Putin’s televised interview on NBC (June 4, 2017), by NBC News’ Megyn Kelly, text published on the website of the President of Russia, June 5, 2017.)[9]Several pieces summarize the matter usefully and in more detail: Stephen F. Cohen, “The Scary Void Inside Russiagate,” posted at https://consortiumnews.com/2017/12/15/the-scary-void...-gate/ ; Robert Parry, “Protecting the Shaky Russia-gate Narrative,” at https://consortiumnews.com/2017/12/15/the-scary-void...-gate/ ; Ray McGovern, “The FBI Hand Behind Russia-gate,” January 11, 2018, https://consortiumnews.com/2018/01/11/the-fbi-hand-b...-gate/ , and Dennis J. Bernstein, “The Still-Missing Evidence of Russia-gate,” January 1, 2018, – https://consortiumnews.com/2018/01/01/the-still-miss...-gate/ . For an audio summary on Russia-gate and important issues it raises, including the bipartisan attack on the right to criticize US foreign policy, listen to Black Agenda Report editor and senior columnist Margaret Kimberley’s “First They Came for Jill Stein” at https://soundcloud.com/user-208734627/first-they-cam...-stein .

Demonization of Putin and Russia

The demonization of Russian president Vladimir Putin and Russia itself is just part, albeit the most dangerous part, of a disinformation campaign flowing from the mainstream media. I don’t propose to present a full treatment of the subject here. But in broad outline, it’s my understanding that when the Cold War ended in 1991, Russian president Boris Yeltsin accepted the advice of Western neoliberal planners and dismantled much of the Russian “safety net,” with the result that the Russian economy tanked and millions of people faced terrific hardship. Vladimir Putin has been attempting to repair that situation, and his initial success is part of the reason for his popularity in Russia. That understanding comes from a number of articles I’ve read over the years, but primarily from Tony Kevin’s book Return to Moscow, mentioned above. I’m hardly an expert on internal Russian politics. But I’ve read many of the extensive public statements Mr. Putin has made since 2007, and with my primary concern being his role in international relations and with respect to the control of Russia’s nuclear arsenal, he strikes me as a statesman.[10]For more detailed information and background see Return to Moscow, cited above; The Putin Interviews: Oliver Stone Interviews Vladimir Putin, (Hot Books, 2017) and Dan Kovalik, The Plot To Scapegoat Russia: How the CIA and the Deep State Have Conspired to Vilify Russia (Skyhorse Publishing, 2017). Yet as investigative journalist Robert Parry observes,

The demonization of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russia is … where the neocons and the liberal interventionists most significantly come together. The U.S. media’s approach to Russia is now virtually 100 percent propaganda. … For instance, the full story of the infamous Magnitsky case cannot be told in the West, nor can the objective reality of the Ukrane coup in 2014. The American people and the West in general are carefully shielded from hearing the “other side of the story.” Indeed to even suggest that there is another side to the story makes you a “Putin apologist” or “Kremlin stooge.”

Western journalists now apparently see it as their patriotic duty to hide key facts that otherwise would undermine the demonizing of Putin and Russia. Ironically, many “liberals” who cut their teeth on skepticism about the Cold War and the bogus justifications for the Vietnam War now insist that we must all accept whatever the U.S. intelligence community feeds us, even if we’re told to accept the assertions on faith.[11]Robert Parry, “An Apology and Explanation,” December 31, 2017, https://consortiumnews.com/2017/12/31/an-apology-and...ation/ .

One result is a needless heightening of the dangers and risks outlined in this article.

US Foreign Policy

While acknowledging the “imperial hubris” behind recent multiple US military actions, Professor Lears calls them “failed crusades” in light of which “one may suspect humanitarian intervention is nothing more than window-dressing for a more mundane geopolitics – one that defines the national interest as global and virtually limitless.” But it seems to me that the invasion of Iraq, the destruction of Libya as a functioning state, and the sustained insistence on removing from office constitutionally elected (in a landslide, in 2014) Syrian president Bashar al-Assad are fairly clear evidence that in practice “the national interest” means the hegemony (“full spectrum dominance”) of the US military and the profits of multinational corporations, motivating a deliberate program of dismantling any force in the Middle East that may prefer (or, as in the case of Gaddafi’s Libya, promote regional) independence.

Although still registered as a Democrat, I hold out little hope that the Party will change fundamentally, even if that’s what winning elections requires. In his effort to find a silver lining behind the depressing array of clouds he discusses, Professor Lears briefly mentions Autopsy: The Democratic Party in Crisis, a 33-page document posted at https://democraticautopsy.org, whose authors include Norman Solomon, founder of the web-based insurgent lobby RootsAction.org. I plan to review that document, but meanwhile back at election time I took the opportunity to vote for Green Party candidate Jill Stein – who not only proposes fundamental change but has lately, by the way, become another target of the congressional “Russiagate” investigations, so called.[12](See “Jill Stein Denounces Probe over ‘Collusion with Russians’,” Aaron Mate’s interview with Dr. Stein for The Real News (December 19, 2017), at http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_cont...:#pop1 , and Mike Whitney, “Jill Stein in the Crosshairs: the Russia Investigation Shifts to Clinton’s Political Rivals” (December 28, 2017), at https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/12/28/jill-stein-i...ivals/ .

The Mainstream Media Disinform the Public

Addressing the problems discussed in this essay effectively will require a shared understanding of the basic facts. On the risk of nuclear war, for example, Dan Ellsberg’s goal is to contribute to the development of an informed electorate that, recognizing the risk, will demand appropriate actions. But unfortunately we humans have a variety of mechanisms to assist us in avoiding unpleasant facts, and many of us are inclined to use them; but to make matters worse, as author Patrick Lawrence has put it, “an extraordinary proportion of our public discourse now rests on nothing but ideologically inspired disinformation.” ( https://eastwestaccord.com/tipping-patrick-lawrence/ .) Stephen F. Cohen, professor emeritus of Russian Studies and Politics at NYU and Princeton, calls the media’s role in this disinformation campaign “media malpractice.” As a recent illustration of it, Professor Cohen observes that new evidence that Washington broke its promise not to expand NATO “one inch eastward”—a fateful decision with ongoing ramifications—has not been reported by The New York Times or other agenda-setting media outlets; and he explains the significance of this fact. The US government, and the media, routinely blame the deterioration of relations with Russia and the New Cold War on “Russian aggression.” However, the newly disclosed evidence strengthen+s the case for directing the blame in the opposite direction, that is, at the West:

In 1990, Soviet Russian leader Mikhail Gorbachev agreed not only to the reunification of Germany, whose division was the epicenter of that Cold War, but also, at the urging of the Western powers, particularly the United States, that the new Germany would be a member of NATO. … Gorbachev made the decision based on assurances by his then–Western “partners” that in return NATO would never be expanded “one inch eastward” toward Russia. (Today, having nearly doubled its member countries, the world’s most powerful military alliance sits on Russia’s western borders.) At the time, it was known that President George H.W. Bush had especially persuaded Gorbachev through Secretary of State James Baker’s “not one inch” and other equally emphatic guarantees. Ever since Bush’s successor, President Bill Clinton, began the still ongoing process of NATO expansion, its promoters and apologists have repeatedly insisted there was no such promise, that it had all been “myth” or “misunderstanding,” and moreover that NATO’s vast expansion had been necessary and has been a great success, actual myths that Cohen also discusses.

Now, however, the invaluable National Security Archive at George Washington University has established the historical truth by publishing, on December 12 of last year, not only a detailed account of what Gorbachev was promised in 1990–91 but the relevant documents themselves. The truth, and the promises broken, are much more expansive than previously known: All of the Western powers involved—the US, the UK, France, Germany itself—made the same promise to Gorbachev on multiple occasions and in various emphatic ways. …

And yet, nearly a month [later], neither the Times nor The Washington Post, which profess to be the nation’s most important, reliable, and indispensable political newspapers, has published one word about this revelation. (Certainly the two papers are pervasively important to other media, not only due to their daily national syndicates but because today’s broadcast media, especially CNN, MSNBC, NPR, and PBS, take most of their own Russia-related “reporting” cues from the Times and the Post.)[13]This is in Professor Cohen’s discussion with John Batchelor, “The US ‘Betrayed’ Russia, but It Is Not ‘News That’s Fit to Print,’” (January 10, 2018), accessible at https://www.thenation.com/article/the-us-betrayed-ru...print/ . Professor Cohen’s discussion mentions other episodes of “mainstream media malpractice.” See, for additional examples and discussion, Andrew J. Bacevich, “More ‘Fake News,’ Alas, from the New York Times,” (November 8, 2017), http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mor...times/ ; and Robert Parry, “An Apology and Explanation,” December 31, 2017, https://consortiumnews.com/2017/12/31/an-apology-and...ation/ .

Of course, there is an inclination on the part of some members of the public to welcome such disinformation, or simply to remain uninformed of unpleasant facts, such as the risk of nuclear war. More has been written on this subject than I can discuss here, but briefly, here are a couple of statements that provide an insightful exploration of the psychological issues that confront critics of U.S. foreign policy:

The only thing keeping westerners from seeing through the lies that they’ve been told about Syria is the unquestioned assumption that their own government could not possibly be that evil. They have no trouble believing that a foreigner from a Muslim-majority country [the reference is to Syrian president Bashar al-Assad] could be gratuitously using chemical weapons on children at the most strategically disastrous time possible and bombing his own civilians for no discernible reason other than perhaps sheer … sadism [these are references to "false flag" incidents in which, for example, one or another terrorist organization causes a chemical weapons attack and seeks to blame it on the Syrian government], but the possibility that their [own] government is making those things up in order to manufacture consent for regime change is ruled out before any critical analysis of the situation even begins.[14]Caitlin Johnstone, “You Only Hate Assad Because Your TV Told You To” (May 27, 2017), http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47136.htm (first published by 21wire at http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/05/27/syria-you-onl...ou-to/ ).

Ominously, this morning’s newspaper reports that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson plans to “hold Russia accountable” for what seems clearly to be yet another false flag use of chlorine gas.[15]Felicia Schwartz, “U.S. Faults Russia in Suspected Gas Strike,” The Wall Street Journal, January 24, 2018, p. A9. I’ve now read of a number of false flag attacks in the case of Syria, and explore them in my booklet cited in note 7. As I write there in endnote 10: “In reality, the Damascus sarin gas attack was carried out by an opposition group with the goal of forcing the U.S. to directly attack the Syrian government. Soon after the event, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity issued a statement reporting ‘the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident’. Later on, Seymour Hersh wrote two lengthy investigations pointing to Jabhat al Nusra with Turkish support being culpable. Investigative journalist Robert Parry exposed the Human Rights Watch analysis blaming the Syrian government as a ‘junk heap of bad evidence’. [ https://consortiumnews.com/2014/04/07/the-collapsing...-case/ ; see further, https://consortiumnews.com/2014/01/21/human-rights-w...lemma/ ; https://consortiumnews.com/2016/09/08/un-team-heard-...tacks/ .] In the Turkish parliament, Turkish deputies presented documents showing that Turkey provided sarin to Syrian ‘rebels’. A detailed examination and analysis of all fact based stories is online at whoghouta.blogspot.com. Their conclusion is that ‘The only plausible scenario that fits the evidence is an attack by opposition forces.’ Rick Sterling, http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/06/socialists-s...smith/ .” See also endnote 13 in my booklet. And regarding another incident, see Margaret Kimberley, “Freedom Rider: Human Rights Industry Protects Imperialism” (2/15/2017), http://www.blackagendareport.com/shamnest-internati...rhouse .

Even if the explanations don’t flat-out disprove the supposed factual basis for regarding the incidents as real rather than manufactured – “fake news” as the term is now commonly used – they certainly provide a basis for extreme doubt. Seeing this happen repeatedly, I’ve now come to think that government decision-makers like Mr. Tillerson may not at all believe their professed interpretation of these events, but rather use them as excuses for taking actions they prefer for quite different reasons.

I found it enormously helpful to read Ms. Johnstone’s essay in conjunction with another piece, by investigative reporter and photographer Vanessa Beeley, in which Ms. Beeley observes:

What we’ve been undergoing to a large extent is a form of psychological abuse, actually, by very narcissistic, hegemonic governments and officials for a very long time. It’s a form of gaslighting where actually our own faith in our ability to judge a situation, and to some extent even our own identity, has been eroded and damaged to the point where we’re effectively accepting their version of reality.[16]Gaslighting: State Mind Control and Abusive Narcissism” (May 26, 2016), http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/05/26/gaslighting-s...ssism/ .

Adam Shatz in the LRB and Australian diplomat Tony Kevin both use the metaphor of sleepwalking to describe what we appear to be doing with respect to the risk of nuclear war. Hopefully, the efforts of analysts and activists to wake us up will produce enough awareness in time, before we sleepwalk into the end of the world. Unfortunately, we will have to generate that awareness without the assistance of the mainstream media, and indeed in the teeth of a pervasive disinformation campaign.

Robert Roth is a retired public interest lawyer. He received his law degree from Yale in 1971 and prosecuted false advertising and consumer fraud as an assistant attorney general for New York (1981-1991) and Oregon (1993-2007).

Notes

[1] Carl Boggs in “Doomsday Panic in Hawaii,” January 23, 2018), https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/01/23/doomsday-panic-in-hawaii/ . For a useful discussion of “the myopic mindset of nuclear strategists and what we should be doing about it,” see Bo Filter, “The Prize—Extinction: Winning a Nuclear War?” (May 15-17, 2017), http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/05/15/winning-a-nuclear-war/ . This essay includes discussion of an important book I’ve seldom seen mentioned, Michio Kaku and Daniel Axelrod, To Win A Nuclear War: The Pentagon’s Secret War Plans (Black Rose Books, Montreal-New York, 1987).

[2] Michael R. Gordon, “U.S. Plans New Nuclear Weapons,” The Wall Street Journal, January 10, 2018, p. 1.

[3] You can read about that in Eric Schlosser’s New Yorker piece, accessible at http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/almost-everything-in-dr-strangelove-was-true ; but for an update, see Mr. Schlosser’s “World War Three, By Mistake,” at http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/world-war-three-by-mistake .

[4] https://www.blackagendareport.com/daniel-ellsberg-doomsday-actual-war-plan .The book is reviewed in some detail in James Heddle, “Rational Insanity: the Mad Logic of America’s Nuclear ‘Doomsday Machine’” (January 9, 2018), at https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/01/09/rational-insanity-the-mad-logic-of-americas-nuclear-doomsday-machine/ .

[5] For a brief overview on that topic see my “The Evidence-Free Claims Against Trump and Syria (Undermining Peace Efforts and Threatening More War),” June 12, 2017, posted at http://www.unz.com/article/the-evidence-free-claims-against-trump-and-syria/ . More recently, Adam Shatz discusses many of the ways we could awaken (or not) to discover we had unwisely ignored the threat of nuclear war in “The President and the Bomb,” published in the November 16 issue of the London Review of Books. https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n22/adam-shatz/the-president-and-the-bomb .

[6] Ira Helfand, MD, International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War, “Nuclear Famine: Two Billion People at Risk?”, Second Edition, 2013. For a much briefer summary, see Steven Starr, “Nuclear War, Nuclear Winter, and Human Extinction,” October 14, 2015, https://fas.org/pir-pubs/nuclear-war-nuclear-winter-and-human-extinction/ .

[7] For a brief treatment of the Ukraine situation, see “Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault,” by University of Chicago professor John J. Mearsheimer, Foreign Affairs, September-October 2014, and a critique of that article and Prof. Mearsheimer’s reply in the November-December 2014 issue, http://www.foreignaffairs.com/author/john-j-mearsheimer. I posted a more elaborate discussion at https://healingjustice.wordpress.com/ . The current situation seems to be worsening rather than improving. See Gilbert Doctorow, “A Coming Russia-Ukraine War?”, https://consortiumnews.com/2018/01/21/a-coming-russia-ukraine-war/ .On Syria, I wrote “What’s Really Happening in Syria: A Consumer Fraud Lawyer’s Mini-Primer,” which has been posted on the web at http://www.syriasolidaritymovement.org/2017/01/21/mini-primer-on-syria-by-former-assist-attorney-general-ny-oregon/ and also printed as a booklet, available from me at 1430 Willamette Street, # 366, Eugene, OR97401-4049. A recent brief update is by Mike Whitney, “Trump’s Plan B for Syria: Occupation and Intimidation ,” January 19, 2018, https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/01/19/trumps-plan-b-for-syria-occupation-and-intimidation/

[8] William K. Polk, “Cuban Missile Crisis In Reverse? The Cold War and Ukraine,” at https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/25/the-cold-war-and-ukraine/ , and “Shaping the Deep Memories of Russians and Ukrainians,” http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2014/12/shaping-the-deep-memories-of-russians-and-ukrainians-wr-polk.html .

[9] Several pieces summarize the matter usefully and in more detail: Stephen F. Cohen, “The Scary Void Inside Russiagate,” posted at https://consortiumnews.com/2017/12/15/the-scary-void-inside-russia-gate/ ; Robert Parry, “Protecting the Shaky Russia-gate Narrative,” at https://consortiumnews.com/2017/12/15/the-scary-void-inside-russia-gate/ ; Ray McGovern, “The FBI Hand Behind Russia-gate,” January 11, 2018, https://consortiumnews.com/2018/01/11/the-fbi-hand-behind-russia-gate/ , and Dennis J. Bernstein, “The Still-Missing Evidence of Russia-gate,” January 1, 2018, – https://consortiumnews.com/2018/01/01/the-still-missing-evidence-of-russia-gate/ . For an audio summary on Russia-gate and important issues it raises, including the bipartisan attack on the right to criticize US foreign policy, listen to Black Agenda Report editor and senior columnist Margaret Kimberley’s “First They Came for Jill Stein” at https://soundcloud.com/user-208734627/first-they-came-for-jill-stein .

[10] For more detailed information and background see Return to Moscow, cited above; The Putin Interviews: Oliver Stone Interviews Vladimir Putin, (Hot Books, 2017) and Dan Kovalik, The Plot To Scapegoat Russia: How the CIA and the Deep State Have Conspired to Vilify Russia (Skyhorse Publishing, 2017).

[11] Robert Parry, “An Apology and Explanation,” December 31, 2017, https://consortiumnews.com/2017/12/31/an-apology-and-explanation/ .

[12] (See “Jill Stein Denounces Probe over ‘Collusion with Russians’,” Aaron Mate’s interview with Dr. Stein for The Real News (December 19, 2017), at http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=20750%27%20style=%27color:#pop1 , and Mike Whitney, “Jill Stein in the Crosshairs: the Russia Investigation Shifts to Clinton’s Political Rivals” (December 28, 2017), at https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/12/28/jill-stein-in-the-crosshairs-the-russia-investigation-shifts-to-clintons-political-rivals/ .

[13] This is in Professor Cohen’s discussion with John Batchelor, “The US ‘Betrayed’ Russia, but It Is Not ‘News That’s Fit to Print,’” (January 10, 2018), accessible at https://www.thenation.com/article/the-us-betrayed-russia-but-it-is-not-news-thats-fit-to-print/ . Professor Cohen’s discussion mentions other episodes of “mainstream media malpractice.” See, for additional examples and discussion, Andrew J. Bacevich, “More ‘Fake News,’ Alas, from the New York Times,” (November 8, 2017), http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/more-fake-news-alas-from-the-new-york-times/ ; and Robert Parry, “An Apology and Explanation,” December 31, 2017, https://consortiumnews.com/2017/12/31/an-apology-and-explanation/ .

[14] Caitlin Johnstone, “You Only Hate Assad Because Your TV Told You To” (May 27, 2017), http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47136.htm (first published by 21wire at http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/05/27/syria-you-only-hate-assad-because-your-tv-told-you-to/ ).

[15] Felicia Schwartz, “U.S. Faults Russia in Suspected Gas Strike,” The Wall Street Journal, January 24, 2018, p. A9. I’ve now read of a number of false flag attacks in the case of Syria, and explore them in my booklet cited in note 7. As I write there in endnote 10: “In reality, the Damascus sarin gas attack was carried out by an opposition group with the goal of forcing the U.S. to directly attack the Syrian government. Soon after the event, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity issued a statement reporting ‘the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident’. Later on, Seymour Hersh wrote two lengthy investigations pointing to Jabhat al Nusra with Turkish support being culpable. Investigative journalist Robert Parry exposed the Human Rights Watch analysis blaming the Syrian government as a ‘junk heap of bad evidence’. [ https://consortiumnews.com/2014/04/07/the-collapsing-syria-sarin-case/ ; see further, https://consortiumnews.com/2014/01/21/human-rights-watchs-syria-dilemma/ ; https://consortiumnews.com/2016/09/08/un-team-heard-claims-of-staged-chemical-attacks/ .] In the Turkish parliament, Turkish deputies presented documents showing that Turkey provided sarin to Syrian ‘rebels’. A detailed examination and analysis of all fact based stories is online at whoghouta.blogspot.com. Their conclusion is that ‘The only plausible scenario that fits the evidence is an attack by opposition forces.’ Rick Sterling, http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/06/socialists-supporting-nato-and-us-empire-a-response-to-ashley-smith/ .” See also endnote 13 in my booklet. And regarding another incident, see Margaret Kimberley, “Freedom Rider: Human Rights Industry Protects Imperialism” (2/15/2017), http://www.blackagendareport.com/shamnest-international-human-slaughterhouse .

Even if the explanations don’t flat-out disprove the supposed factual basis for regarding the incidents as real rather than manufactured – “fake news” as the term is now commonly used – they certainly provide a basis for extreme doubt. Seeing this happen repeatedly, I’ve now come to think that government decision-makers like Mr. Tillerson may not at all believe their professed interpretation of these events, but rather use them as excuses for taking actions they prefer for quite different reasons.

[16]Gaslighting: State Mind Control and Abusive Narcissism” (May 26, 2016), http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/05/26/gaslighting-state-mind-control-and-abusive-narcissism/ .

 
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  1. A great summary of the whole ball of sh*t.
    I note that the author, Robert Roth, admits to being “still” a Democrat. registered anyway, even though he has no illusions about the corruption of the current Democratic Party. I wonder whether he would agree that the moment when things took a decided turn for the worse was when the SCOTUS intervened in the 2000 election? Or the moment when Al Gore could not muster a single Democratic (or other) vote (when only one vote would have been sufficient for Gore to mount a challenge to the election) to join with him in contesting the election? Or am I surr0unded here by Bush supporters? … and/or by Clintonites and DLC Dems? … probably, but they will never admit it … or accept responsibility for it …

    What is ‘it’? Let’s just say it’s 9/11.

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    Or am I surr0unded here by Bush supporters? … and/or by Clintonites and DLC Dems?
     
    Pffft. Not from this key board, and if Gore did win the election, 9/11 would’ve still happened, along with the Afghan/Iraq invasions.

    Forgive for agreeing with the superior Statesman Vladimir Putin: “No matter who gets elected to the White House, the policy remains the same.”
    , @animalogic
    Think you're pretty spot with all you say. The whole Bush II thing, the elections, Iraq, 9-11 were kind of "through the looking glass" events in which political corruption became mainstream acceptable...in a surreal kind of way.
    I take events like the "Russian Hack" as a kind of ready-reckoner of political consciousness: if you accept or support such muck the only question remains - are you a gull or a knave? An idiot or a cynical bastard?
    , @Anonymous
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    @Grandpa Charlie
    A great summary of the whole ball of sh*t.
    I note that the author, Robert Roth, admits to being "still" a Democrat. registered anyway, even though he has no illusions about the corruption of the current Democratic Party. I wonder whether he would agree that the moment when things took a decided turn for the worse was when the SCOTUS intervened in the 2000 election? Or the moment when Al Gore could not muster a single Democratic (or other) vote (when only one vote would have been sufficient for Gore to mount a challenge to the election) to join with him in contesting the election? Or am I surr0unded here by Bush supporters? ... and/or by Clintonites and DLC Dems? ... probably, but they will never admit it ... or accept responsibility for it ...

    What is 'it'? Let's just say it's 9/11.

    Or am I surr0unded here by Bush supporters? … and/or by Clintonites and DLC Dems?

    Pffft. Not from this key board, and if Gore did win the election, 9/11 would’ve still happened, along with the Afghan/Iraq invasions.

    Forgive for agreeing with the superior Statesman Vladimir Putin: “No matter who gets elected to the White House, the policy remains the same.”

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    “No matter who gets elected to the White House, the policy remains the same.” -- Putin, quoted by Biff
     
    This is mostly true today, but has not always been true and will not necessarily always and forever be true. It wasn't even entirely true in our last election, 2016. While we would rather see Trump at a much greater distance from Hillary -- e.g., respecting influence of the neocons or ziocons -- it would be false to claim that all policies remain the same. On Russia, it remains to be seen if Trump's policy will be the same as Hillary's. At least, the implosion of Russiagate has driven a wedge into the wall of cynicism and hopelessness that Biff and followers embody (followers that "AGREE" with Biff).

    And then we have this thoughtless, indefensible and undefended as well as unfounded piece of NonThink --

    "If Gore did win the election, 9/11 would’ve still happened, along with the Afghan/Iraq invasions." Biff
     
    Really, Biff? You know absolutely that 9/11 would still have happened, just as it did, with the stand-down of NORAD directed from the basement of the White House by a Dick Cheney? Even if Al Gov's victory in 2000 had been acknowledged and Gore were POTUS? And just as happened under the Dubbya administration, there would have been effectively no investigation but only a Commission report full of lies? And, of course, former Senator Max Cleland would have still been appointed to the Commission and would have still resigned in disgust over the cover-up (Bush and Cheney refusing to testify under oath). You, Biff, you know all that, do you?

    I'll give you this much, Biff -- one way to lose a battle is to give up before it starts. Some would say that's the easy way ...

    Same for you, Radical Center and bluedog ...
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  3. Soviet union was hold together by wide Zionist network.
    Still the the economic situation did become unsustainable.
    Stream of East Germans tourists went to Poland, From Poland to Slovakia, from Slovakia, to Hungary.
    And for a small tip, Hungarian border guards let them through to Austria, and from Austria to West Germany.
    Zionist network was already moving to US after withdrawal of Soviets troops from Afghanistan.
    Gorbachev was desperate.
    Reagan with Pope prepared and executed coup de grace for Communism.
    Under Bush one Zionist instituted the the Globalist policies. Bush did give them Iraq Iran war.
    Kuwait war was taking back the US present.
    Clinton give them no fly zone over Iraq. But Clinton did not want to give them more.
    Bush second promised to give them All Iraq: and so he did.
    Obama did not promise them anything but did give them everything except Iran.
    Zionists fell in love with Democrats, and married them.
    Trump is reluctant bear, Zionists hate him, want to get rid of him desperately.
    Now we do not know if Zionist will win.

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  4. Miro23 says:

    What we’ve been undergoing to a large extent is a form of psychological abuse, actually, by very narcissistic, hegemonic governments and officials for a very long time. It’s a form of gaslighting where actually our own faith in our ability to judge a situation, and to some extent even our own identity, has been eroded and damaged to the point where we’re effectively accepting their version of reality.

    I have to agree with this – and the excellent article. The US elite has such a world shattering level of hubris that they don’t even consider that they themselves could be destroyed in a conflagration of their own making.

    Maybe they “learnt” from their failed 9/11 Coup, with its breathtaking evasion of culpability, despite the mountains of criminal evidence left littered around the scene.

    Russia realizes by now that it’s dealing with a group of psychopathic lunatic Jews in New York, and it’s also getting a sense of déjà vu, since it’s the same crowd that they met in Petrograd in October 1917. So what’s Russia’s optimum strategy? – Probably not to waste precious time like they did on their last encounter, and deal with the problem directly (i.e. what the American public would fear the most if they had any awareness of what was going on – which they don’t).

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  5. The news, fake or not, that Russia interfered in the USA elections, is continuing.
    Our Dutch secret service, not so secret, a real secret service does not advertise that it does exist, has proof that the Russians did it.
    What they then did exactly, and what effect it had, no idea, the ‘news’ does not tell us.
    However, the USA has a long history over overthrowing governments that did not please the USA.
    So it again to me is the biblical story of the splinter and the beam, if beam is the right word.
    But, in my opinion, trying to prevent the election of war loving Hillary, who can blame the Russians ?

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    But, in my opinion, trying to prevent the election of war loving Hillary, who can blame the Russians ?
     
    Nobody, but it' still a bullshit.
    , @Toby Keith
    And the Dutch Intel service said that Russia shot down Malaysia 17. (LOL)

    And Russia doesn't have "interns" and "assistants" stovepiping and manipulating legislative process in every the office of ALL American legislators, each of whom is being blackmailed by said Israeli dual citizens.
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  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Russian Meddling in Muh Elections (more like hacking the Obama’s e-mail) bizzaredly confirmed by … the Dutch!

    Dutch agencies provide crucial intel about Russia’s interference in US-elections

    (This is not a joke)
    (Why is this being announced now)
    (This is going to run and run)
    (Is this even real, sounds quite fishy)
    (Navy CSI levels of Drama!!)

    via

    Matryoshki of news: Tech giants flash code to Russia, Dutch hack Kremlin spies, and more

    According to de Volkskrant, AIVD in 2014 had established surveillance on Cozy Bear, the Russian state hacking group, and observed its efforts to attack the US Democratic Party’s email systems and American government servers.

    AIVD was, we’re told, able to compromise security cameras surrounding the building used by the Cozy Bear crew, to look out for known Russian spies entering the joint. The Euro snoops duly tipped off the FBI that something was afoot.

    “Hackers from the Dutch intelligence service AIVD have provided the FBI with crucial information about Russian interference with the American elections,” reports the Dutch daily newspaper.

    “For years, AIVD had access to the infamous Russian hacker group Cozy Bear … AIVD [became] witness to the Russian hackers harassing and penetrating the leaders of the Democratic Party, transferring thousands of emails and documents.

    “It won’t be the last time they alert their American counterparts. And yet, it will be months before the United States realize what this warning means: that with these hacks the Russians have interfered with the American elections. And the AIVD hackers have seen it happening before their very eyes.”

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  7. @Grandpa Charlie
    A great summary of the whole ball of sh*t.
    I note that the author, Robert Roth, admits to being "still" a Democrat. registered anyway, even though he has no illusions about the corruption of the current Democratic Party. I wonder whether he would agree that the moment when things took a decided turn for the worse was when the SCOTUS intervened in the 2000 election? Or the moment when Al Gore could not muster a single Democratic (or other) vote (when only one vote would have been sufficient for Gore to mount a challenge to the election) to join with him in contesting the election? Or am I surr0unded here by Bush supporters? ... and/or by Clintonites and DLC Dems? ... probably, but they will never admit it ... or accept responsibility for it ...

    What is 'it'? Let's just say it's 9/11.

    Think you’re pretty spot with all you say. The whole Bush II thing, the elections, Iraq, 9-11 were kind of “through the looking glass” events in which political corruption became mainstream acceptable…in a surreal kind of way.
    I take events like the “Russian Hack” as a kind of ready-reckoner of political consciousness: if you accept or support such muck the only question remains – are you a gull or a knave? An idiot or a cynical bastard?

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  8. alley cat says:

    “Sleepwalking into nuclear war” is a haunting and apt metaphor for what is happening to us as a society. Reading Robert Roth’s provocative musings on the collective insanity currently enveloping us, I was reminded of William Shirer’s accounts of the period he was stationed in Nazi Germany as a correspondent for the Chicago Tribune before the outbreak of WWII.

    His account of attending a Nazi rally where he appeared to be the only member of the audience not mesmerized by Hitler’s delusional rants reminds me of my own reaction to the Russiagate hysteria being orchestrated by neocons and Clinton dead-enders. Who are these people and what is the matter with them? The current state of our Union is a testament to the power of propaganda, which Hitler and Goebbels understood so well.

    Even with all the propaganda the Germans were subjected to, said Shirer, Germans realized that Hitler was taking them into an unwinnable war against the rest of the world that they really didn’t want. They knew they were headed into the abyss, yet the political climate was so paranoid that resistance seemed unpatriotic, if not treasonous. They went along in the hope that the national nightmare would dissipate of its own accord, that things weren’t as bad as they seemed.

    But as it turned out, things were even worse than they seemed. The nightmare was real and there was no waking from it.

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  9. The USA/Russia/China/Israel/France/UK/India/Pakistan have collectively been playing Russian Roulette for 65 years.

    Probability dictates sooner or later, one of the chambers will contain a live round.
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    The ziocon triumph in the Kaganat of Nuland (known as "liberated" Ukraine): http://www.fort-russ.com/2018/01/tribunal-awaits-latest-un-data-on.html
    Comment section:
    "After the Maidan the leaders of two right wing neo-Nazi organisations were rewarded with control of four ministries...
    Andriy Parubiy, co-founder of the fascist Social National Party (SNPU), which later changed its name to Svoboda, became the new top commander of the National Defense and Security Council (covering the military, police, courts and intelligence apparatus). The CIA renamed the organisation to "Svoboda," meaning "Freedom," to make it more acceptable to Americans.
    Dmytro Yarosh, Right Sector commander, was second-in-command of the National Defense and Security Council. This is the man who organized and ran Ukraine's February 22nd Coup in Kiev, and the May 2nd Massacre of Its Opponents in Odessa, for Barack Obama. Yarosh's teams carry out the most violent operations for the CIA in Ukraine. They are responsible for the atrocities committed in the Donbass, for the crimes against humanity.
    Oleh Tyahnybok, co founder of the SNPU and currently the party leader of Svoboda, a self confessed neo-Nazi. He opposed the introduction of the Russian language as the second official state language; called for the lustration of former communist officials. He also proposed recognition of the fighting role of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and Ukrainian Insurgent Army during World War II."
    --- Where are the Lobby, the Anti-Defamation League, the Friends of Israel in UK, and the whole Holocaust business? Where are the fighters with BDS?
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  10. Renoman says:

    If nuclear war was even slightly or even remotely feasible, the Americans would be doing it. Talk about shitting in your own well.

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  11. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What an excellent essay. It appears to have been submitted initially to The Unz Review, which should enhance the reputation of both the author and publisher.

    Mr. Roth’s observations about the blights of willful public ignorance and mass media disinformation are important. Commenter “animalogic” (#7) aptly describes those party to the widespread deceit as either “a gull or a knave.” The Establishment needs and therefore nurtures both.

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  12. trixie says:

    Great article and great comments so far (11 of them).

    We have a scenario much like those scenarios prior to the Great War (WWI) and the second world war, and the same shadowy ‘hidden hand’ orchestrating the entire pending disaster so they can yet further augment their control and expand their illegal land theft.

    The consolidation of the mass media agencies, now almost pure propaganda/perception management agencies controlled by the competing factions of the 0.1%, and the advent of the internet and ‘big data’ have enabled this psychopathic cabal to attain previously undreamt of control over the common 99%, including control over their perception.

    Roth has gone straight to the relevant point, nuclear war, for it is already clear that the prospective outcome of any permutation of a ‘conventional’ war will see the Empire hegemony, USA/Israel and vassal states, lose against Russia, who will be supported, by mutually recognized need, with China. No matter how it is considered, a Russia-China alliance will defeat the empire hegemony if nuclear weapons are not used.

    It is because of this point that the entirety of humanity must rally and do ‘what ever it takes’ to stop the terrorist empire from sustaining the current tyranny. The psychopaths of the empire, not exposed to public scrutiny, hidden in the shadows, can and will nudge the world into unwinnable (for anyone) nuclear war; their egos are the definition of human depravity.

    Exposing the grand charade to a critical mass of the general population is the first objective, then exposing the ‘hidden hands’ in the shadows is the next.

    The parasite must be stopped, and we, the people who have seen glimpses of the enemy, are incumbent to spread the word.

    Good luck.

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  13. I’ve learned to live with the bomb.

    I’m not alone:

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  14. yurivku says:

    I left this comment on a different article ( http://thesaker.is/listening-to-mattis/ ), but seems it could be in place here also. Cause we’re talking aproximately same and nothing gonna change
    ——-

    Well, it’s getting boring a little. I mean the descriptions of the insanity of US’s rulers.

    One positive thing in US policy is a stability and progress – dummy president replaced by stupid one, that replaced by insane after him goes imbecile. I can’t imagine who’s going to be next -).
    But there are many of old crazy women and men ready to help if current imbecile went down.

    Thanks God, we, Russians, not that happy. After imbecile alcoholic Eltsin we’ve got not bad alternative (your media and supid people in power call him a killer).
    That’s (his sanity) the only belief for this world to survive.

    But, actually we’re very tired from all this stuff and the possibility of US generals to test our conventional and even nuk arms constantly increasing. They can also test if our soldiers who’ve seen Napoleon, Hitler and many others got worse or still the same.

    I’m asking US citizens – Is it really interesting to you to get know it for sure?

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    Good to see you posting. I hear they are muling Ophrah. Really good choice for next president. Woman, black, fat and wealthy. Not gay or transvestite though but that's coming next. What makes me wonder how this sort of imbeciles gets elected without collapsing the state. I think it is moving slowly in this direction but there was enough 2 morons and no more ussr. Checks and balances. Makes me wonder what after Putin. I do it like him that much but he still intelligent, cool and calculating man that is not doing stupid things but neither genius. Regarding Americans, unfortunately they never felt real pain. Like a kid who does not know that fire is dangerous. I think safe financial collapse their gonna be trouble sooner or later with them. The best thing Russia and China can do is to undermine us dollar status and the whole financial system which was built by uncle Sam for uncle Sam benefit.
    , @Grandpa Charlie

    "I’m asking US citizens – Is it really interesting to you to get know it for sure?" -- yurivku
     
    I am a US citizen, born and raised here, still living here, so I feel called upon to respond to your question.

    First, I admire your fighting spirit, the spirit of Mama Bear, Mother Russia. But, second, NO, not interested in testing it, not trying to pick a fight with the Russian Bear. The thing is that this country, USA, absorbs all kinds of people from all over the world, so we have among us people who glorify the Nazis of Ukraine, or whatever, but they are not what I would call Americans, not born-and-raised in USA. We have gotten tired of all that, so when people say, like, Jews who say that Israel is threatened by the horrible Arabs, etc., we tend to just say, Oh yeah, sure. That has something to do with why we don't want any more immigrants. If you want to come here to live, then leave all your old allegiances and all your old beefs back there wherever you came from. America is not Israel, not Palestine, not Russia, not Germany, not Africa, not Muslim-land, not even Ireland for that matter. America is the center of the world, America ... God help us.

    I don't know anything about Roth -- who wrote the article and that various commenters have gone out of their way to misconstrue -- but it seems to me that he did not advocate any such thing as antagonizing Russia or the Russian people. He was just taking inventory of the situation, pretty much objectively, which always stirs up all kinds of subjectively opinionated people -- people with chips on their shoulders and not much of any importance to do. I mean, that's why I post here at Unz ... because in my ninth decade in this lifetime, I don't have much to do of any importance (and I like a lot of the content here). A way to pass the time and keep in touch with other people.
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  15. yurivku says:
    @jilles dykstra
    The news, fake or not, that Russia interfered in the USA elections, is continuing.
    Our Dutch secret service, not so secret, a real secret service does not advertise that it does exist, has proof that the Russians did it.
    What they then did exactly, and what effect it had, no idea, the 'news' does not tell us.
    However, the USA has a long history over overthrowing governments that did not please the USA.
    So it again to me is the biblical story of the splinter and the beam, if beam is the right word.
    But, in my opinion, trying to prevent the election of war loving Hillary, who can blame the Russians ?

    But, in my opinion, trying to prevent the election of war loving Hillary, who can blame the Russians ?

    Nobody, but it’ still a bullshit.

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  16. There will be no nuclear war as Russia and the U.S. can wipe each other off the map, however the Zionists will continue to keep America at war for the Zionist NWO as that is the game plan and we goyim Americans will continue to be sent to the slaughter house for greater Israel.

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  17. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Grandpa Charlie
    A great summary of the whole ball of sh*t.
    I note that the author, Robert Roth, admits to being "still" a Democrat. registered anyway, even though he has no illusions about the corruption of the current Democratic Party. I wonder whether he would agree that the moment when things took a decided turn for the worse was when the SCOTUS intervened in the 2000 election? Or the moment when Al Gore could not muster a single Democratic (or other) vote (when only one vote would have been sufficient for Gore to mount a challenge to the election) to join with him in contesting the election? Or am I surr0unded here by Bush supporters? ... and/or by Clintonites and DLC Dems? ... probably, but they will never admit it ... or accept responsibility for it ...

    What is 'it'? Let's just say it's 9/11.

    Seriously, why the childish obsession with parties?

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    "Seriously, why the childish obsession with parties?" -- Anonymous (at 17) speaking to Grandpa
     
    Seriously, Anonymous, we are examining a system, and a system has components. So, like a physician who (childishly?) orders MRIs, blood work, and and and ... we try to examine components of the system. No one component will explain the patient's condition, nor will it point the way to a cure ... but you can't rule anything out and you do need to look at the components ... seriously.

    Why do you make a judgment that when I remark on political parties, that is somehow my "childish obsession"? Are you not trying to get my goat? I think you are. And I think that's because of some childish obsession of yours.

    Have you ever noticed how people tend to project their own mentality onto others?
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  18. “But as Mr. Shatz observes, the problems run much deeper than President Trump.”

    This statement is misleading. One honest, generally morally competent man holding the ever-more-powerful office of president of the U.S., could fix many things.

    Unfortunately, Donald John Trump is not that man.

    Let’s consider one example: Many people believe that a real investigation into 9/11 would destroy the “deep state”. Dr. J. Leroy Hulsey et al. have recently completed a study of the “collapse” of WTC7, whereby they’ve proven that “fire” was not the cause of the “collapse” of that building. This finding directly contradicts the NIST report. For the first time in 16 years there is now incontrovertible scientific evidence in the public domain that 9/11 was an “inside job”. Why won’t Donald John Trump take advantage of this unprecedented opportunity and order an investigation?

    There is only one plausible explanation: I believe that Donald John Trump was the “deep state” candidate of choice in the 2016 election. I believe that’s why they ran wild-eyed madwoman Hillary Clinton against him rather than the more electable Sanders. I believe that’s why, in the early fall of 2016, as the election was coming into the home stretch, Obama started ramping up tensions with Russia; i.e., so as to nudge the disgruntled anti-war Democrats (Sanders supporters) into Trump’s camp, swinging the election to him.

    I believe that Donald John Trump is a “deep cover” or “sleeper” agent that’s been groomed and waiting in the wings for his masters’ call. I believe that Donald John Trump was called to power in a desperate now or never moment to save the “deep state” (Zionist) agenda.

    Donald John Trump is a liar. Donald John Trump is a fraud. Donald John Trump is a con man. Donald John Trump is a mass-murderer.

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    "Donald John Trump is a liar. Donald John Trump is a fraud. Donald John Trump is a con man. Donald John Trump is a mass-murderer." -- Harold Smith
     
    Yeah, I see what you're after here. You remember, as I do, how the campaign to 'get' Nixon really ramped up when the media began to use Nison's full name -- Richard Milhous Nixon. It might work. But I don't see any point in "getting" Trump. Yes, he is a mass murderer, but that has nothing to do with his middle name.

    Anyway, if we drum Trump out, who do we get? Michael Richard Pence!

    OMG, "Richard"!
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    You are a radical hothead, But I still like you!

    "Why won’t Donald John Trump take advantage of this unprecedented opportunity and order an investigation?"

    WT7 is total proof that 9/11 was inside job. There is absolutely no doubt about it at least in my mind.

    But Trump ordering an investigation would mean that he bets everything. Including his own life.
    So why he would do that, particularly because he would loose.
    There are no witnesses. Bush certainly will not talk.
    Those who were enablers at airport will not talk. There will be no witnesses.
    There the trial would come down to arguing two groups of architects and structural engineers.
    No lawyers no judges and no public would or could understand and determine which side is right.

    So there is no chance that Trump would win.
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  19. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Even better disinformation comes from the media that calls the mainstream media disinformative. Where’s the analysis that says the Pentagon is developing kill zones around the world in the effort to save the planet from apocalyptic environmental catastrophe?

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  20. Just a re-hash of the standard “let Putin win in Ukraine” propaganda line dressed up in the pseudo-reasonable language lawyers learn to use. I couldn’t find a single argument in the article that hasn’t been trotted out dozens of times over the last three years, including the assimilation of the Soviet Union to the Russian Federation by the linguistic device of referring to both as “Russia”. In other words, the pro-Putin camp have run out of arguments. On the other side, a Dutch media outlet claims that Dutch intelligence hacked the hackers, so to speak, and was the first to warn the US of Russian interference.

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    • Replies: @nickels
    Give it a rest. Russians were dying for Crimea under Peter the Great 350 years ago, before America was even the twinkle in great great grandfathers of the founders eyes.
    It is, and has always been, theirs.
    , @nickels
    Looking back through Kenny's comments, I don't see a single comment that isn't a Putin bash.

    I call CIA shill.
    , @Dave Bowman
    Those "trotted-out arguments" are as valid and unanswered as ever. Therefore, contrary to your "logic", no one has in fact "run out of arguments".

    On the other hand, every time I read any one of your comments here, I come away with the unmovable impression over and over again that you are one of the stupidest, least-knowledgeable, most pig-ignorant commenters ever to scribble kindergarten-level garbage here at TUR.

    Do us all a favour and just go away and play with the trains.
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  21. I don’t think anyone in the West is sleepwalking into anything, esp the USA. I think the American people see the writing on the wall and that if the American Empire loses status the economy of the USA will revert to being a labor intensive existence of working the ground just to have enough food to eat and water to drink. So entitled and lazy Americans are and horrified to be relegated back to a 1920/30′s quality of life (loss of Bread & Circuses), that if the Military Idust Complex has to threaten the entire planet with nuclear annihilation if they don’t tithe 10% of their GDP (Roman Empire) so fat ass Yankees can continue to be fat asses–then just burn the place to the ground.

    If the BRIC countries attempt to dethrone the petro dollar lazy entitled Americans will BEG Washington to do whatever it takes to bring back $3.00 t-shirts at Wal-Mart.

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    If the American Empire loses status the economy of the USA will revert to being a labor intensive existence of working the ground just to have enough food to eat and water to drink. So entitled and lazy Americans are and horrified to be relegated back to a 1920/30′s quality of life (loss of Bread & Circuses), that if the Military Idust Complex has to threaten the entire planet with nuclear annihilation if they don’t tithe 10% of their GDP (Roman Empire) so fat ass Yankees can continue to be fat asses–then just burn the place to the ground.

    If the BRIC countries attempt to dethrone the petro dollar lazy entitled Americans will BEG Washington to do whatever it takes to bring back $3.00 t-shirts at Wal-Mart.

     

    Isn't farmers life more dignified than homeless without proper sanitary access, or been continuously worried about next bill and job, violent criminals or police brutality. But the well to do don't give a damn if their boys are bombing who, life goes on fattening their ass. That's why there isn't slightest protest for 30Mi killing endless war still adding, except Saigon war too bloody for these fat ass enlisted offspring. So Blackwater mercenaries flourish now.

    Yah, $3 good quality Tshirt in Walmart, thanks to China and Bangladesh. It cost $20 for a thin lousy Tee make in US no one will wear, scared the shit out of me, if DT goes trade war or nuke China, you have to start spinning own cloth. Yet Yankees want the cake and eat it too, cheap Tees but blame China. Just print $ to buy insanely, not productive(no factories to do anyway),only make bombs to sell, then whine over trade deficit.
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  22. Nary mention that a dramatis personae (East AND West) of the Maidan coup reads like a Tel Aviv phone book.

    Nor any mention that numerous sections of the U.S. State Department answer the phones in Hebrew.

    Neither Roth nor Cohen mention that the Global Jewish Nation perpetrated 9/11 to light off this endless murderfest. “WTC 7″ is all you need to know.

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    Yep, I noticed that too.

    Not particularly surprising tough.
    , @Jon Baptist
    100% agree. WTC7, the Oded Yinon plan with Netanyahu visiting wounded Al-Qaeda fighters , and Nuland handing out candies in the Maidan really sticks out. The biggest tell is the media and what specific cultural group owns it. The writer, Roth is either willfully ignorant or is perpetrating another limited-hangout trick under the guise of an analysis piece. For a controlled dialectic to work properly, at least two opposing sides must work in unison to manipulate the mindset of the general public. There are a lot of pied pipers out there sheep-dogging the masses. It's obvious who's order we live under in this fabricated chaos.
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  23. Beckow says:

    The world is not about to end, but the Western public space has become very stupid. Most politicians, media and academics have managed to redefine basic terms into idiotic caricatures. Concepts like meddling, trolls, collusion, etc… don’t mean what we are told they mean. They are all an eternal part of human society, exchange of ideas, disagreements. Expressing one’s opinions is not ‘propaganda’, or ‘meddling’ in elections – it is freedom of speech. The idea that there is only one correct view – the Western liberal one – is medieval.

    We are at a point when views other than BBC, CNN, NY Times…, are routinely dismissed as ‘meddling’, ‘trolling, or sometimes ‘hatred’. The objective is to suppress and dismiss them. That is very dangerous for any civilisation, but for a system that was built on celebrating free speech, it is fatal.

    I often hear that it is a ‘natural’ pendulum swing, that most people in the West don’t agree with it, that it is an angry reaction to an unexpected loss (‘Clinton dead-enders’), that it will self-correct over time. In my view that is missing the point and overlooks the permanent damage this hysteria has caused. If the more rational members of the elite are unable to defend rationality and freedom today – when it is still easy – they are co-responsible for the madness.

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    Good comment, IMHO.

    But (there is always that "but" isn't it), perhaps it's not that bad.
    Maybe those are just the loudest. They, obviously, own the visible paradigm, but, do they really own the full of it?
    Maybe there is a big, healthy undercurrent of rationality under all that visible madness. It's just invisible most of the time. Doesn't have an access to public space.

    Analogy:
    It's like an average neighborhood in West. Say, a hundred of dwellings around. In 99 of them are normal, decent people minding their own business and going with their lives. And, in ONE house you have noisy people who have parties, yelling, fights etc.
    So, on Saturday night, when you drive through that neighborhood you can hear that noise only; not the rest of quiet populace there. Often cops too. The full show. And should it get really rowdy media as well.

    The problem today, I feel (not think, just a gut feeling) that the majority of normal people simply don't get involved.
    Now why is that could be an interesting matter.
    And even more interesting that they, by not getting involved, are helping creating all this, which, could very likely, slide into M.A.D.
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  24. L.K says:
    @Toby Keith
    Nary mention that a dramatis personae (East AND West) of the Maidan coup reads like a Tel Aviv phone book.

    Nor any mention that numerous sections of the U.S. State Department answer the phones in Hebrew.

    Neither Roth nor Cohen mention that the Global Jewish Nation perpetrated 9/11 to light off this endless murderfest. "WTC 7" is all you need to know.

    Yep, I noticed that too.

    Not particularly surprising tough.

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  26. annamaria says:
    @troll_of_the_month
    The USA/Russia/China/Israel/France/UK/India/Pakistan have collectively been playing Russian Roulette for 65 years.

    Probability dictates sooner or later, one of the chambers will contain a live round.
    .

    The ziocon triumph in the Kaganat of Nuland (known as “liberated” Ukraine): http://www.fort-russ.com/2018/01/tribunal-awaits-latest-un-data-on.html
    Comment section:
    “After the Maidan the leaders of two right wing neo-Nazi organisations were rewarded with control of four ministries…
    Andriy Parubiy, co-founder of the fascist Social National Party (SNPU), which later changed its name to Svoboda, became the new top commander of the National Defense and Security Council (covering the military, police, courts and intelligence apparatus). The CIA renamed the organisation to “Svoboda,” meaning “Freedom,” to make it more acceptable to Americans.
    Dmytro Yarosh, Right Sector commander, was second-in-command of the National Defense and Security Council. This is the man who organized and ran Ukraine’s February 22nd Coup in Kiev, and the May 2nd Massacre of Its Opponents in Odessa, for Barack Obama. Yarosh’s teams carry out the most violent operations for the CIA in Ukraine. They are responsible for the atrocities committed in the Donbass, for the crimes against humanity.
    Oleh Tyahnybok, co founder of the SNPU and currently the party leader of Svoboda, a self confessed neo-Nazi. He opposed the introduction of the Russian language as the second official state language; called for the lustration of former communist officials. He also proposed recognition of the fighting role of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and Ukrainian Insurgent Army during World War II.”
    — Where are the Lobby, the Anti-Defamation League, the Friends of Israel in UK, and the whole Holocaust business? Where are the fighters with BDS?

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  27. @Toby Keith
    Nary mention that a dramatis personae (East AND West) of the Maidan coup reads like a Tel Aviv phone book.

    Nor any mention that numerous sections of the U.S. State Department answer the phones in Hebrew.

    Neither Roth nor Cohen mention that the Global Jewish Nation perpetrated 9/11 to light off this endless murderfest. "WTC 7" is all you need to know.

    100% agree. WTC7, the Oded Yinon plan with Netanyahu visiting wounded Al-Qaeda fighters , and Nuland handing out candies in the Maidan really sticks out. The biggest tell is the media and what specific cultural group owns it. The writer, Roth is either willfully ignorant or is perpetrating another limited-hangout trick under the guise of an analysis piece. For a controlled dialectic to work properly, at least two opposing sides must work in unison to manipulate the mindset of the general public. There are a lot of pied pipers out there sheep-dogging the masses. It’s obvious who’s order we live under in this fabricated chaos.

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  28. Trump started to impose tariffs and the world started to squeal like pigs.
    Free trade must be only in agricultural goods, because from any other trade only Zionsts have a benefit.
    We will get there!!!!

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  29. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:

    Anon from TN
    Nobody will deliberately start nuclear war, but the probability that it might start as the result of series of mistakes has increased. The US and its vassals (including other NATO countries) moved NATO troops close to Russian borders, destabilized Ukraine, Syria, cooked up “Russiagate” (which is really an FBI-gate, but sore losers would not admit it) to justify further increases in Pentagon budget (a trough where very fat pigs feed). The Empire is afraid of losing its position, but shortsighted elites do everything to accelerate its demise. The main danger is that in its death throes the Empire will start a war, although we can only hope that even degenerate US elites understand that dead people cannot benefit by their wealth. Hope springs eternal.

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    ...understand that dead people cannot benefit by their wealth. Hope springs eternal...
     
    Well, hope is always nice. But we might not understand the dynamic nature of the global-liberal overreach that we have been experiencing. People don't behave the way Western elites have been acting without some measure of disconnect from reality. And hubris.

    When a substantial part of elite climbs on an irrational high horse of invincibility they become paralysed by the framework they have created. They don't want to hear other views because it makes them uncomfortable. They have given up on both principles and institutions - it is anything goes world now.

    So where is the assurance that rationality would prevail in a crisis? It didn't in 1914. Who would step in and tell the morons that they have been living a lie of their own creation? That constraints are still there, that their verbal acuity has not changed how the world is, that 'soft power' is called soft for a reason - it doesn't add up to a hill of beans when it matters. The risk for any dissenter of consequence is very high (see Trump for a related, imperfect example).

    Let's hope. Most bad scenarios don't actually end life on the planet, they just make life more miserable. That's what happened in the past. We might see a 'nuclear' version of that. One thing I know for sure: none of the liberal fire-eaters in Washington, Brussels or London will ever own up to this. They are born 'victims', so they will go on whining...

    , @trixie

    Nobody will deliberately start nuclear war, but the probability that it might start as the result of series of mistakes has increased.
     
    That's how they operate.

    Look at the conditions surrounding the nebulous launch of the Great War (WWI).
    Look at the convoluted state of affairs that led up to the start of hostilities of WWII.

    In both cases instabilities were created, all over the place, which could result in an 'accident' starting a world war!
    As if it was nobody's fault.

    Well, nobody is alive, well, and active all over the place, creating havoc, setting up tinderboxes and leaving matches all over the place for the 200 lbs. orangutan, and others, infantilized by their own absurdly over-inflated egos, to play with!

    Nobody certainly would start a nuclear WWIII... if the money was right.
    Nobody is running the empire.
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  30. nickels says:
    @Michael Kenny
    Just a re-hash of the standard “let Putin win in Ukraine” propaganda line dressed up in the pseudo-reasonable language lawyers learn to use. I couldn’t find a single argument in the article that hasn’t been trotted out dozens of times over the last three years, including the assimilation of the Soviet Union to the Russian Federation by the linguistic device of referring to both as “Russia”. In other words, the pro-Putin camp have run out of arguments. On the other side, a Dutch media outlet claims that Dutch intelligence hacked the hackers, so to speak, and was the first to warn the US of Russian interference.

    Give it a rest. Russians were dying for Crimea under Peter the Great 350 years ago, before America was even the twinkle in great great grandfathers of the founders eyes.
    It is, and has always been, theirs.

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  31. Agree with much of the sentiment and some of the proposals here regarding the need to ratchet down rhetoric, pledge no first strike, and generally try much harder to reduce the risk of even a “small” nuke exchange.

    But giving up our inter-continental ballistic missiles would be foolhardy, even more so if it’s done unilaterally. With rivals / potential enemies like China and eventually India, who in time will be able to muster conventional forces and troop contingents far larger than ours, we cannot give up the nuke deterrent.

    And the reference “the TWO nuclear-armed superpowers” is out of date. That would be at least THREE nuke-armed superpowers: China, the USA, and Russia.

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    "But giving up our inter-continental ballistic missiles would be foolhardy, even more so if it’s done unilaterally. With rivals / potential enemies like China and eventually India, who in time will be able to muster conventional forces and troop contingents far larger than ours, we cannot give up the nuke deterrent."

    ... because it will keep the victims of ZIO/U$A imperial policy at bay for the victims request for REPARATIONS, when that time comes...
    , @anon

    With rivals /
    potential enemies like China
    and eventually India, who in
    time will be able to muster
    conventional forces and
    troop contingents far larger
    than ours, we cannot give up
    the nuke deterrent.
     
    Why would there be rivals or enemies if Yankees just stay at own land instead of poking your nose 8000miles away to sniff others ass and threaten to nuke if they are not to Yankees delight smell?
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  32. nickels says:
    @Michael Kenny
    Just a re-hash of the standard “let Putin win in Ukraine” propaganda line dressed up in the pseudo-reasonable language lawyers learn to use. I couldn’t find a single argument in the article that hasn’t been trotted out dozens of times over the last three years, including the assimilation of the Soviet Union to the Russian Federation by the linguistic device of referring to both as “Russia”. In other words, the pro-Putin camp have run out of arguments. On the other side, a Dutch media outlet claims that Dutch intelligence hacked the hackers, so to speak, and was the first to warn the US of Russian interference.

    Looking back through Kenny’s comments, I don’t see a single comment that isn’t a Putin bash.

    I call CIA shill.

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    Putin is good friends with people in the CIA. They may have disagreements over the phone, but basically it's a relationship based on mutual name calling. The real games are played on the ground and in the media.
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  33. peterAUS says:
    @Beckow
    The world is not about to end, but the Western public space has become very stupid. Most politicians, media and academics have managed to redefine basic terms into idiotic caricatures. Concepts like meddling, trolls, collusion, etc... don't mean what we are told they mean. They are all an eternal part of human society, exchange of ideas, disagreements. Expressing one's opinions is not 'propaganda', or 'meddling' in elections - it is freedom of speech. The idea that there is only one correct view - the Western liberal one - is medieval.

    We are at a point when views other than BBC, CNN, NY Times..., are routinely dismissed as 'meddling', 'trolling, or sometimes 'hatred'. The objective is to suppress and dismiss them. That is very dangerous for any civilisation, but for a system that was built on celebrating free speech, it is fatal.

    I often hear that it is a 'natural' pendulum swing, that most people in the West don't agree with it, that it is an angry reaction to an unexpected loss ('Clinton dead-enders'), that it will self-correct over time. In my view that is missing the point and overlooks the permanent damage this hysteria has caused. If the more rational members of the elite are unable to defend rationality and freedom today - when it is still easy - they are co-responsible for the madness.

    Good comment, IMHO.

    But (there is always that “but” isn’t it), perhaps it’s not that bad.
    Maybe those are just the loudest. They, obviously, own the visible paradigm, but, do they really own the full of it?
    Maybe there is a big, healthy undercurrent of rationality under all that visible madness. It’s just invisible most of the time. Doesn’t have an access to public space.

    Analogy:
    It’s like an average neighborhood in West. Say, a hundred of dwellings around. In 99 of them are normal, decent people minding their own business and going with their lives. And, in ONE house you have noisy people who have parties, yelling, fights etc.
    So, on Saturday night, when you drive through that neighborhood you can hear that noise only; not the rest of quiet populace there. Often cops too. The full show. And should it get really rowdy media as well.

    The problem today, I feel (not think, just a gut feeling) that the majority of normal people simply don’t get involved.
    Now why is that could be an interesting matter.
    And even more interesting that they, by not getting involved, are helping creating all this, which, could very likely, slide into M.A.D.

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    ...healthy undercurrent of rationality under all that visible madness. It’s just invisible most of the time. Doesn’t have an access to public space...
     
    See that's the key, no access, no visibility. It actually might not exist for all practical purposes. What you call 'noise' is the public face of the West today. It is not pretty, and most of it is definitely not rational.

    ...majority of normal people simply don’t get involved...Now why is that could be an interesting matter.
     
    Any system where majorities don't get involved is called a dictatorship, oligarchy or something along those lines. There were quite a few prosperous, easy-going oligarchies in the past, the bad 'oligarchic' name was earned only by a few outliers. So maybe we are just living in a standard version of a human society, nothing dramatic, the usual oligarchy-slash-indifference-leave-me-alone society. Most medieval peasants could relate, most of the time they were also left alone.
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  34. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Eliminating our ICBMs;”

    Making ourselves defenseless sounds like an excellent plan. You know the old saying, “There is no defense like a good nothing at all.”

    That was as far into the article as I got.

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    Only credulous fools believe ICBMs are for defense. If you don't profit from war, why support it? Why would any decent person support the world's greatest ponzi scheme that threatens people with annihilation?
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  35. @RadicalCenter
    Agree with much of the sentiment and some of the proposals here regarding the need to ratchet down rhetoric, pledge no first strike, and generally try much harder to reduce the risk of even a "small" nuke exchange.

    But giving up our inter-continental ballistic missiles would be foolhardy, even more so if it's done unilaterally. With rivals / potential enemies like China and eventually India, who in time will be able to muster conventional forces and troop contingents far larger than ours, we cannot give up the nuke deterrent.

    And the reference "the TWO nuclear-armed superpowers" is out of date. That would be at least THREE nuke-armed superpowers: China, the USA, and Russia.

    “But giving up our inter-continental ballistic missiles would be foolhardy, even more so if it’s done unilaterally. With rivals / potential enemies like China and eventually India, who in time will be able to muster conventional forces and troop contingents far larger than ours, we cannot give up the nuke deterrent.”

    … because it will keep the victims of ZIO/U$A imperial policy at bay for the victims request for REPARATIONS, when that time comes…

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  36. Beckow says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Nobody will deliberately start nuclear war, but the probability that it might start as the result of series of mistakes has increased. The US and its vassals (including other NATO countries) moved NATO troops close to Russian borders, destabilized Ukraine, Syria, cooked up “Russiagate” (which is really an FBI-gate, but sore losers would not admit it) to justify further increases in Pentagon budget (a trough where very fat pigs feed). The Empire is afraid of losing its position, but shortsighted elites do everything to accelerate its demise. The main danger is that in its death throes the Empire will start a war, although we can only hope that even degenerate US elites understand that dead people cannot benefit by their wealth. Hope springs eternal.

    …understand that dead people cannot benefit by their wealth. Hope springs eternal…

    Well, hope is always nice. But we might not understand the dynamic nature of the global-liberal overreach that we have been experiencing. People don’t behave the way Western elites have been acting without some measure of disconnect from reality. And hubris.

    When a substantial part of elite climbs on an irrational high horse of invincibility they become paralysed by the framework they have created. They don’t want to hear other views because it makes them uncomfortable. They have given up on both principles and institutions – it is anything goes world now.

    So where is the assurance that rationality would prevail in a crisis? It didn’t in 1914. Who would step in and tell the morons that they have been living a lie of their own creation? That constraints are still there, that their verbal acuity has not changed how the world is, that ‘soft power’ is called soft for a reason – it doesn’t add up to a hill of beans when it matters. The risk for any dissenter of consequence is very high (see Trump for a related, imperfect example).

    Let’s hope. Most bad scenarios don’t actually end life on the planet, they just make life more miserable. That’s what happened in the past. We might see a ‘nuclear’ version of that. One thing I know for sure: none of the liberal fire-eaters in Washington, Brussels or London will ever own up to this. They are born ‘victims’, so they will go on whining…

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    Anon from TN
    You may be right, but we can’t do anything about it now: much hyped democracy is a pure ruse (look at presumably two party system in the US: Republicrats always win). I just hope that the sense of self-preservation in those degenerate elites is stronger than their lies that they apparently believe themselves (even mice are smart enough for that). If not, then those morons along with innocent bystanders (99.9% of world population) would be dead. Look on the bright side: rodents and insects would be happy to inherit the Earth.
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  37. The Dutch government tries to get a law accepted now that greatly increases the legal possibilities of our secret servide to spy on anyone.
    March 21 there is a referendum on the law, I expect that we will reject it, but the politicians already stated that they will reject a negative referendum.
    By accident, of course, today our secret service made public that they spied on Russian interference in the USA elections, without being specific of course, ‘classified’, as a lot in the USA.

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    Anon from TN
    You are right: Dutch government has already thrown away negative results of the referendum on EU association with Ukraine. What’s more, it betrayed its own citizens by still pretending to investigate the crash of MH-17, even though everyone with a brain knows that Ukrainian puppet government is to blame (international airlines made this conclusion long time ago: they fly over Russia, but avoid Ukraine, flying around it, just like they fly around North Korea). I am tempted to say that you guys elected this scum, but then you’d say that I elected Trump, which I didn’t (anyway, what choice did we have: corrupt to the core mad witch would have been even worse).
    , @Beckow

    today our secret service made public that they spied on Russian interference in the USA elections
     
    Spying is like a recursive algorithm. Next Russia will announce that they 'spied on the Dutch spies who were spying on them'. Maybe we can skip the 'motivations': they are all spying on each other, all the time, it is their job description.

    I am still waiting for someone to explain to us how is 'interference' or 'meddling' different from having an opinion about an election. And we all know that Americans (or Dutch) have never, ever, expressed any opinions about other countries' elections. Right. My democracy promotion is your meddling.

    It is bad when you kill my cow. It is very good when I kill your cow. Monkey reasoning level?
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  38. These terms must be immediately banned from US political discourse:
    Confirmed by seventeen intelligence agencies.
    Confirmed by numerous news outlets
    These are totally irresponsible statements.
    There must be absolute responsibility of press.
    There must be also absolute transparency of press.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………
    Today press in US is a tabloid rug.

    New York times and Washington post should be fired and replaced with people from this website.

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  39. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    "Eliminating our ICBMs;"

    Making ourselves defenseless sounds like an excellent plan. You know the old saying, "There is no defense like a good nothing at all."

    That was as far into the article as I got.

    Only credulous fools believe ICBMs are for defense. If you don’t profit from war, why support it? Why would any decent person support the world’s greatest ponzi scheme that threatens people with annihilation?

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  40. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @nickels
    Looking back through Kenny's comments, I don't see a single comment that isn't a Putin bash.

    I call CIA shill.

    Putin is good friends with people in the CIA. They may have disagreements over the phone, but basically it’s a relationship based on mutual name calling. The real games are played on the ground and in the media.

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  41. Jake says:

    The Trotskyites who became in America first anti-Stalinist Democrat Hawks and then anti-Russian/Israel-first Republican Hawks have worked things so that they control foreign affairs for both political parties. And they have an insatiable bloodlust. Like the godfather of their movement, they are amoral with genocidal desires when it comes to peoples they despise. They are the type of self-righteous bullies who aspire to rule the globe to overreach and push and shove and threaten and sucker punch until the worst for the world happens.

    Most regular readers of Unz Review can agree with the above. What they also need to accept is that those problems did not enter the US, or more generally the Anglosphere, with the flight of mostly Jewish Trotskyites from the USSR and Europe. The same attitudes of insufferable hubris that was basically amoral in regard to national and ethnic groups it most despised marked the British Empire. The British WASP Elite form certainly was more refined and pleasant-seeming than the Jewish Neocon form, and other groups of people within that world usually proved able to bring the most crazed WASP Elite monsters back from the edge of the cliff. But they existed, and they caused needless trouble around the globe.

    It is the mix of the two that makes the American hawkish anti-Russian, Israel-first foreign policy insane enough to try to start a nuclear exchange.

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    Trotskyites and Zionist Globalists are interchangeable terms. They represent the same entity.
    The movement of destroying Stalin's legacy started in satellite communist countries in years of 1964 or 1965. Eventually this Zionist propaganda reached Russia and did cause Gorbachev considerable feeling of uneasiness and feeling of guilt. That was one powerful factor on Gorbachev, becoming easy pray for Western politicians. In 1964 I was surprised with this propaganda, I did not pay too much attention to it , but coworkers and people on the street were very incensed by it.
    This is a primary example how far ahead the Zionist Globalist are planning.
    This amazes me.
    We have to assume that surprises will be coming from Zionist Globalist always.
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  42. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @Beckow

    ...understand that dead people cannot benefit by their wealth. Hope springs eternal...
     
    Well, hope is always nice. But we might not understand the dynamic nature of the global-liberal overreach that we have been experiencing. People don't behave the way Western elites have been acting without some measure of disconnect from reality. And hubris.

    When a substantial part of elite climbs on an irrational high horse of invincibility they become paralysed by the framework they have created. They don't want to hear other views because it makes them uncomfortable. They have given up on both principles and institutions - it is anything goes world now.

    So where is the assurance that rationality would prevail in a crisis? It didn't in 1914. Who would step in and tell the morons that they have been living a lie of their own creation? That constraints are still there, that their verbal acuity has not changed how the world is, that 'soft power' is called soft for a reason - it doesn't add up to a hill of beans when it matters. The risk for any dissenter of consequence is very high (see Trump for a related, imperfect example).

    Let's hope. Most bad scenarios don't actually end life on the planet, they just make life more miserable. That's what happened in the past. We might see a 'nuclear' version of that. One thing I know for sure: none of the liberal fire-eaters in Washington, Brussels or London will ever own up to this. They are born 'victims', so they will go on whining...

    Anon from TN
    You may be right, but we can’t do anything about it now: much hyped democracy is a pure ruse (look at presumably two party system in the US: Republicrats always win). I just hope that the sense of self-preservation in those degenerate elites is stronger than their lies that they apparently believe themselves (even mice are smart enough for that). If not, then those morons along with innocent bystanders (99.9% of world population) would be dead. Look on the bright side: rodents and insects would be happy to inherit the Earth.

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  43. Unpopular jerk-boy opinion incoming. I honestly think the Hawaii response is pretty typical but shameful. I like the response of the guy who just tweets, ‘OK, if I die goodbye, I’m golfing anyway’ and turns his stupid phone off.

    Hawaii is multiple islands and some of them are big. They had no idea where the non-existent missile was going but they all just assume it’s aimed straight for them personally, and turn it into a telenovela where they remain the star even as they are being fake nuked. The panic achieves nothing.

    If I get warning of a nuke coming down on Chicago in 10 minutes I’m going up on the roof for a cigarette and one last firework.

    It’s not an excuse for spazzing, but since most of us were already spazs we will take the opportunity to spaz out like we like to.

    The 40 year long Cold War never want nuclear but it’s not like spazs weren’t spazing about it every single day (sometimes twice) for the whole 40 years. I’m not that worried. There will be no nuclear apocalypse between the US and Russia because as dumb as they both are they still aren’t that dumb.

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    The cyber false flag in Hawaii was a flawless, well studied covert operation. The so-called risk of nuclear war is part and parcel of more psychological operations aimed at the American people to remind them of who their enemies are.

    Notice the large dropoff in muslim based terror hysteria by the propaganda systems. The debates are created around Russia, Nork, or China and the red herring of nuclear war is wheeled out of a closet at the CIA. Take a bite.

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  44. @yurivku
    I left this comment on a different article ( http://thesaker.is/listening-to-mattis/ ), but seems it could be in place here also. Cause we're talking aproximately same and nothing gonna change
    -------

    Well, it’s getting boring a little. I mean the descriptions of the insanity of US’s rulers.

    One positive thing in US policy is a stability and progress – dummy president replaced by stupid one, that replaced by insane after him goes imbecile. I can’t imagine who’s going to be next -).
    But there are many of old crazy women and men ready to help if current imbecile went down.

    Thanks God, we, Russians, not that happy. After imbecile alcoholic Eltsin we’ve got not bad alternative (your media and supid people in power call him a killer).
    That’s (his sanity) the only belief for this world to survive.

    But, actually we’re very tired from all this stuff and the possibility of US generals to test our conventional and even nuk arms constantly increasing. They can also test if our soldiers who’ve seen Napoleon, Hitler and many others got worse or still the same.

    I’m asking US citizens – Is it really interesting to you to get know it for sure?

    Good to see you posting. I hear they are muling Ophrah. Really good choice for next president. Woman, black, fat and wealthy. Not gay or transvestite though but that’s coming next. What makes me wonder how this sort of imbeciles gets elected without collapsing the state. I think it is moving slowly in this direction but there was enough 2 morons and no more ussr. Checks and balances. Makes me wonder what after Putin. I do it like him that much but he still intelligent, cool and calculating man that is not doing stupid things but neither genius. Regarding Americans, unfortunately they never felt real pain. Like a kid who does not know that fire is dangerous. I think safe financial collapse their gonna be trouble sooner or later with them. The best thing Russia and China can do is to undermine us dollar status and the whole financial system which was built by uncle Sam for uncle Sam benefit.

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    I'm too sleepy Sergei, it's a midnight here now, I'll answer later, but me personally ready to put the end of this f## n story. If I was a man near the nuk button I could press it. Just tired
    , @lavoisier
    Best hope for the world at this point is for the US to fail economically.

    A major depression. Massive financial defaults.

    Then and only then can the craziness of picking a fight with the rest of the world stop.

    And good riddance to that war mongering bastard McCain. His death may mean the saving of countless innoncent lives.

    , @yurivku

    Good to see you posting
     
    Thank you Sergei. Just see me or you liked what i've posted?

    I hear they are muling Ophrah.
     
    didn't understand that.

    But my post was about the dead end where current US policy leads us all. As you know we will fight, we always did. But only back. I wonder if every time the US citizens vote for most stupid bastards probably they want them? Probably they deserve them if they do it again and again.

    Now seems to be the last time to do something. Yes, here at UNZ audience mostly sane and understanding, but it's not the case in majority of West's and especially US's talking places.
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  45. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @jilles dykstra
    The Dutch government tries to get a law accepted now that greatly increases the legal possibilities of our secret servide to spy on anyone.
    March 21 there is a referendum on the law, I expect that we will reject it, but the politicians already stated that they will reject a negative referendum.
    By accident, of course, today our secret service made public that they spied on Russian interference in the USA elections, without being specific of course, 'classified', as a lot in the USA.

    Anon from TN
    You are right: Dutch government has already thrown away negative results of the referendum on EU association with Ukraine. What’s more, it betrayed its own citizens by still pretending to investigate the crash of MH-17, even though everyone with a brain knows that Ukrainian puppet government is to blame (international airlines made this conclusion long time ago: they fly over Russia, but avoid Ukraine, flying around it, just like they fly around North Korea). I am tempted to say that you guys elected this scum, but then you’d say that I elected Trump, which I didn’t (anyway, what choice did we have: corrupt to the core mad witch would have been even worse).

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  46. Beckow says:
    @jilles dykstra
    The Dutch government tries to get a law accepted now that greatly increases the legal possibilities of our secret servide to spy on anyone.
    March 21 there is a referendum on the law, I expect that we will reject it, but the politicians already stated that they will reject a negative referendum.
    By accident, of course, today our secret service made public that they spied on Russian interference in the USA elections, without being specific of course, 'classified', as a lot in the USA.

    today our secret service made public that they spied on Russian interference in the USA elections

    Spying is like a recursive algorithm. Next Russia will announce that they ‘spied on the Dutch spies who were spying on them‘. Maybe we can skip the ‘motivations‘: they are all spying on each other, all the time, it is their job description.

    I am still waiting for someone to explain to us how is ‘interference‘ or ‘meddling‘ different from having an opinion about an election. And we all know that Americans (or Dutch) have never, ever, expressed any opinions about other countries’ elections. Right. My democracy promotion is your meddling.

    It is bad when you kill my cow. It is very good when I kill your cow. Monkey reasoning level?

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    What a maginificent article in a severe competition of great articles in the alternative media.

    Beckow, I do make sure that I never miss your comments on unz.com. I know I am repeating myself, but writing and commenting without at least a minimum dose of humour, no matter how serious the topic is, is a waste of electrons. At the moment the two authors (comments are a form of writing too) of Russian extraction I like the most are Dmitry Orlov and you. You even have too similar a writing style (almost tempted to think that you are one and the same person), here is an example from the latest Orlov:

    ...in spite of his intellectual limitations, Trump was quick to realize that he would be thwarted at every turn. His immigration initiatives could be shut down by a single politicized judge. The military-industrial complex would sabotage his every effort to end money-wasting weapons programs like the F-35 or pointless foreign occupations like Syria and Afghanistan. Members of his own party negated his efforts to end Obamacare before it implodes. Improved relations with Russia were made impossible by endless evidence-free accusations of Russian meddling. The token victory he has scored is in pushing through some sort of tax reform, but this was only possible because all kleptocrats everywhere can always reliably agree that more money for them is a good thing and that the inevitability of national bankruptcy is not a topic worthy of discussion. And so Trump decided to embrace a strategy of maximum offense, using Twitter and other public relations means at his disposal. He is, at this point, a swinging wrecking ball—an orange one...
     
    Therefore, the secret formula of good writing appears to be deep insight combined with colourful metaphors and light humour. My apology for typing this off topic.
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  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lars Porsena
    Unpopular jerk-boy opinion incoming. I honestly think the Hawaii response is pretty typical but shameful. I like the response of the guy who just tweets, 'OK, if I die goodbye, I'm golfing anyway' and turns his stupid phone off.

    Hawaii is multiple islands and some of them are big. They had no idea where the non-existent missile was going but they all just assume it's aimed straight for them personally, and turn it into a telenovela where they remain the star even as they are being fake nuked. The panic achieves nothing.

    If I get warning of a nuke coming down on Chicago in 10 minutes I'm going up on the roof for a cigarette and one last firework.

    It's not an excuse for spazzing, but since most of us were already spazs we will take the opportunity to spaz out like we like to.

    The 40 year long Cold War never want nuclear but it's not like spazs weren't spazing about it every single day (sometimes twice) for the whole 40 years. I'm not that worried. There will be no nuclear apocalypse between the US and Russia because as dumb as they both are they still aren't that dumb.

    The cyber false flag in Hawaii was a flawless, well studied covert operation. The so-called risk of nuclear war is part and parcel of more psychological operations aimed at the American people to remind them of who their enemies are.

    Notice the large dropoff in muslim based terror hysteria by the propaganda systems. The debates are created around Russia, Nork, or China and the red herring of nuclear war is wheeled out of a closet at the CIA. Take a bite.

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    This.
    , @Kiza
    I agree.

    Now let us take a science fiction approach for just a moment. According to the calculation by the relevant scientists there should be at least 100 billion developed civilisations in the Universe. Because of so many, at least a few of them must have achieved the extreme level of development which would have allowed them to circumvent the Theory of Relativity and travel throughout the Universe. Now imagine these travelers coming across the planet Earth. They have a quick look and what do they see? The planet has this wierd group of people called a US nation, which call themselves advanced, exceptional, unique and on a mission, but they suffer from a self-inflicted paranoid delusion they call Russiagate. So this “advanced” nation treathens all life on the little blue planet for the sake of fulfilling their lowest urges and delusions and for maintaining their comfy lives at the expense of everybody else on the planet.

    If you were an extra-terrestrial would you do anything else but quarantine/isolate the planet of the sufferers of the mad-human disease until they either destroy themselves or cure themselves of their delusional madness? What I am trying to say is that, despite all flashy US SF movie productions in which it is always some US person who establishes the First Contact, exactly US would be the reason why humanity could never join some intergalactic association of civilisations.

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  48. yurivku says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    Good to see you posting. I hear they are muling Ophrah. Really good choice for next president. Woman, black, fat and wealthy. Not gay or transvestite though but that's coming next. What makes me wonder how this sort of imbeciles gets elected without collapsing the state. I think it is moving slowly in this direction but there was enough 2 morons and no more ussr. Checks and balances. Makes me wonder what after Putin. I do it like him that much but he still intelligent, cool and calculating man that is not doing stupid things but neither genius. Regarding Americans, unfortunately they never felt real pain. Like a kid who does not know that fire is dangerous. I think safe financial collapse their gonna be trouble sooner or later with them. The best thing Russia and China can do is to undermine us dollar status and the whole financial system which was built by uncle Sam for uncle Sam benefit.

    I’m too sleepy Sergei, it’s a midnight here now, I’ll answer later, but me personally ready to put the end of this f## n story. If I was a man near the nuk button I could press it. Just tired

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    That's what reading too much written in our times can lead to. Thankfully the button is far away.
    I hope you feel better now. Утро вечера мудренее :)
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  49. @Jake
    The Trotskyites who became in America first anti-Stalinist Democrat Hawks and then anti-Russian/Israel-first Republican Hawks have worked things so that they control foreign affairs for both political parties. And they have an insatiable bloodlust. Like the godfather of their movement, they are amoral with genocidal desires when it comes to peoples they despise. They are the type of self-righteous bullies who aspire to rule the globe to overreach and push and shove and threaten and sucker punch until the worst for the world happens.

    Most regular readers of Unz Review can agree with the above. What they also need to accept is that those problems did not enter the US, or more generally the Anglosphere, with the flight of mostly Jewish Trotskyites from the USSR and Europe. The same attitudes of insufferable hubris that was basically amoral in regard to national and ethnic groups it most despised marked the British Empire. The British WASP Elite form certainly was more refined and pleasant-seeming than the Jewish Neocon form, and other groups of people within that world usually proved able to bring the most crazed WASP Elite monsters back from the edge of the cliff. But they existed, and they caused needless trouble around the globe.

    It is the mix of the two that makes the American hawkish anti-Russian, Israel-first foreign policy insane enough to try to start a nuclear exchange.

    Trotskyites and Zionist Globalists are interchangeable terms. They represent the same entity.
    The movement of destroying Stalin’s legacy started in satellite communist countries in years of 1964 or 1965. Eventually this Zionist propaganda reached Russia and did cause Gorbachev considerable feeling of uneasiness and feeling of guilt. That was one powerful factor on Gorbachev, becoming easy pray for Western politicians. In 1964 I was surprised with this propaganda, I did not pay too much attention to it , but coworkers and people on the street were very incensed by it.
    This is a primary example how far ahead the Zionist Globalist are planning.
    This amazes me.
    We have to assume that surprises will be coming from Zionist Globalist always.

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  50. You make a lot of references to what has taken hold in the country. I don’t see it. I voted for Pres Trump. He’s been a bit weal knee’d on issues he campaigned on . But I get it. He’s neck deep among the most aggressive advocates for war — in the name of regime, wmd use or some other desperate cause, “rape ” being the new entry in a long line of causes.

    But these fears don’t reside among the general population. Nuclear is certain ly a possibility. But its not anymore possible now than it was under the previous admin. Which if I recall wanted to push the envelope of every tension point they could find. I think it’s more fear mongering by the establishment t to get whatever it is they want. This article does a fine job of noting the issues, but it also presses the fear. And in many respects, it’s a tough spot for people. We elect people to keep things sane.

    Yet the wealthiest, the brightest, the most highly educated privileged and influential live in an echo chamber in which by all appearances their leadership seems to makes things worse.

    It’s a tad irritating.

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    "Nuclear is certain ly a possibility. But its not anymore possible now than it was under the previous admin." -- EliteComminc.
     
    So that was why the people voted for Trump -- so things wouldn't get any worse than they were under Obama? Seems like kind of a low bar to set for ourselves ... and not exactly what Trump promised that made him popular.
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  51. Beckow says:
    @peterAUS
    Good comment, IMHO.

    But (there is always that "but" isn't it), perhaps it's not that bad.
    Maybe those are just the loudest. They, obviously, own the visible paradigm, but, do they really own the full of it?
    Maybe there is a big, healthy undercurrent of rationality under all that visible madness. It's just invisible most of the time. Doesn't have an access to public space.

    Analogy:
    It's like an average neighborhood in West. Say, a hundred of dwellings around. In 99 of them are normal, decent people minding their own business and going with their lives. And, in ONE house you have noisy people who have parties, yelling, fights etc.
    So, on Saturday night, when you drive through that neighborhood you can hear that noise only; not the rest of quiet populace there. Often cops too. The full show. And should it get really rowdy media as well.

    The problem today, I feel (not think, just a gut feeling) that the majority of normal people simply don't get involved.
    Now why is that could be an interesting matter.
    And even more interesting that they, by not getting involved, are helping creating all this, which, could very likely, slide into M.A.D.

    …healthy undercurrent of rationality under all that visible madness. It’s just invisible most of the time. Doesn’t have an access to public space…

    See that’s the key, no access, no visibility. It actually might not exist for all practical purposes. What you call ‘noise’ is the public face of the West today. It is not pretty, and most of it is definitely not rational.

    …majority of normal people simply don’t get involved…Now why is that could be an interesting matter.

    Any system where majorities don’t get involved is called a dictatorship, oligarchy or something along those lines. There were quite a few prosperous, easy-going oligarchies in the past, the bad ‘oligarchic’ name was earned only by a few outliers. So maybe we are just living in a standard version of a human society, nothing dramatic, the usual oligarchy-slash-indifference-leave-me-alone society. Most medieval peasants could relate, most of the time they were also left alone.

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    Any system where majorities don’t get involved is called a dictatorship, oligarchy or something along those lines. There were quite a few prosperous, easy-going oligarchies in the past, the bad ‘oligarchic’ name was earned only by a few outliers. So maybe we are just living in a standard version of a human society, nothing dramatic, the usual oligarchy-slash-indifference-leave-me-alone society. Most medieval peasants could relate, most of the time they were also left alone.
     
    It depends what the oligarchs want. Anglo oligarchs wanted to be the aristocrats of Anglo society and the colonies with a certain "Noblesse Oblige" (probably misguided), but Jewish oligarchs want to be the aristocrats of Anglo society without the identity (not their society or their responsibility) - that's to say, a Bolshevik style repressive elite with their Gulags, mass murder and borderline genocidal policy against the ethnic majority.
    , @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Well, a Princeton study scientifically showed that the US is an oligarchy, not democracy. You can find simplified versions at these websites:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
    http://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oligarchy-2014-4
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/princeton-scholar-demise-of-democracy-america-tpm-interview
    and many others.
    , @peterAUS

    See that’s the key, no access, no visibility. It actually might not exist for all practical purposes.
     
    Agree.

    So maybe we are just living in a standard version of a human society, nothing dramatic, the usual oligarchy-slash-indifference-leave-me-alone society. Most medieval peasants could relate, most of the time they were also left alone.
     
    Agree.

    The only problem is the invention and consequent stockpiling of nuclear weapons.

    The current state of affairs, before, always created conditions and then produced a spark for a decent war. No reason not to repeat that pattern.
    The problem with the pattern....nukes. M.A.D.

    And, although human nature appears to be the same education and, more important, means of communications, made big advance. So, even not so smart masses could "get together" and create an initiative to push the leadership in certain direction.

    What puzzles me, still, is that disinterest in all what, apparently, interest people commenting here, for example.
    It's not even daily burden that prevents people from getting informed or involved....plenty of time for social media, sports, music etc....but not even trying to figure out what's going on in, say, Syria, Ukraine, Iran and North Korea.

    And, the problem with new decent war....it can start in 2 hours.
    No need anymore for long mobilizations, deployments etc....forces required to start serious flareup on any of those places are already there.

    Doesn't look optimistic and nobody cares.
    Maybe the weapon development simply overtook human nature. Time for reset.
    There are even theories that it wouldn't be the first time on this planet.
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  52. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous
    The cyber false flag in Hawaii was a flawless, well studied covert operation. The so-called risk of nuclear war is part and parcel of more psychological operations aimed at the American people to remind them of who their enemies are.

    Notice the large dropoff in muslim based terror hysteria by the propaganda systems. The debates are created around Russia, Nork, or China and the red herring of nuclear war is wheeled out of a closet at the CIA. Take a bite.

    This.

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  53. Miro23 says:
    @Beckow

    ...healthy undercurrent of rationality under all that visible madness. It’s just invisible most of the time. Doesn’t have an access to public space...
     
    See that's the key, no access, no visibility. It actually might not exist for all practical purposes. What you call 'noise' is the public face of the West today. It is not pretty, and most of it is definitely not rational.

    ...majority of normal people simply don’t get involved...Now why is that could be an interesting matter.
     
    Any system where majorities don't get involved is called a dictatorship, oligarchy or something along those lines. There were quite a few prosperous, easy-going oligarchies in the past, the bad 'oligarchic' name was earned only by a few outliers. So maybe we are just living in a standard version of a human society, nothing dramatic, the usual oligarchy-slash-indifference-leave-me-alone society. Most medieval peasants could relate, most of the time they were also left alone.

    Any system where majorities don’t get involved is called a dictatorship, oligarchy or something along those lines. There were quite a few prosperous, easy-going oligarchies in the past, the bad ‘oligarchic’ name was earned only by a few outliers. So maybe we are just living in a standard version of a human society, nothing dramatic, the usual oligarchy-slash-indifference-leave-me-alone society. Most medieval peasants could relate, most of the time they were also left alone.

    It depends what the oligarchs want. Anglo oligarchs wanted to be the aristocrats of Anglo society and the colonies with a certain “Noblesse Oblige” (probably misguided), but Jewish oligarchs want to be the aristocrats of Anglo society without the identity (not their society or their responsibility) – that’s to say, a Bolshevik style repressive elite with their Gulags, mass murder and borderline genocidal policy against the ethnic majority.

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  54. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @Beckow

    ...healthy undercurrent of rationality under all that visible madness. It’s just invisible most of the time. Doesn’t have an access to public space...
     
    See that's the key, no access, no visibility. It actually might not exist for all practical purposes. What you call 'noise' is the public face of the West today. It is not pretty, and most of it is definitely not rational.

    ...majority of normal people simply don’t get involved...Now why is that could be an interesting matter.
     
    Any system where majorities don't get involved is called a dictatorship, oligarchy or something along those lines. There were quite a few prosperous, easy-going oligarchies in the past, the bad 'oligarchic' name was earned only by a few outliers. So maybe we are just living in a standard version of a human society, nothing dramatic, the usual oligarchy-slash-indifference-leave-me-alone society. Most medieval peasants could relate, most of the time they were also left alone.

    Anon from TN
    Well, a Princeton study scientifically showed that the US is an oligarchy, not democracy. You can find simplified versions at these websites:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

    http://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oligarchy-2014-4

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/princeton-scholar-demise-of-democracy-america-tpm-interview

    and many others.

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  55. @Biff

    Or am I surr0unded here by Bush supporters? … and/or by Clintonites and DLC Dems?
     
    Pffft. Not from this key board, and if Gore did win the election, 9/11 would’ve still happened, along with the Afghan/Iraq invasions.

    Forgive for agreeing with the superior Statesman Vladimir Putin: “No matter who gets elected to the White House, the policy remains the same.”

    “No matter who gets elected to the White House, the policy remains the same.” — Putin, quoted by Biff

    This is mostly true today, but has not always been true and will not necessarily always and forever be true. It wasn’t even entirely true in our last election, 2016. While we would rather see Trump at a much greater distance from Hillary — e.g., respecting influence of the neocons or ziocons — it would be false to claim that all policies remain the same. On Russia, it remains to be seen if Trump’s policy will be the same as Hillary’s. At least, the implosion of Russiagate has driven a wedge into the wall of cynicism and hopelessness that Biff and followers embody (followers that “AGREE” with Biff).

    And then we have this thoughtless, indefensible and undefended as well as unfounded piece of NonThink –

    “If Gore did win the election, 9/11 would’ve still happened, along with the Afghan/Iraq invasions.” Biff

    Really, Biff? You know absolutely that 9/11 would still have happened, just as it did, with the stand-down of NORAD directed from the basement of the White House by a Dick Cheney? Even if Al Gov’s victory in 2000 had been acknowledged and Gore were POTUS? And just as happened under the Dubbya administration, there would have been effectively no investigation but only a Commission report full of lies? And, of course, former Senator Max Cleland would have still been appointed to the Commission and would have still resigned in disgust over the cover-up (Bush and Cheney refusing to testify under oath). You, Biff, you know all that, do you?

    I’ll give you this much, Biff — one way to lose a battle is to give up before it starts. Some would say that’s the easy way …

    Same for you, Radical Center and bluedog …

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    The American voters love to elect plutocrats to "lead" them. Why would any sane human vote for W, Obama, Hillary, Trump, Biden, Reagan, Carter, JFK, LBJ, Truman, DDE, or any of the other plutocratic creatures the voting class seems to love. Name a decent human among those war mongering monsters. Only morally reprehensible people run for any office. Of course they all see themselves as perfect, but in reality not one single decent human being assumes the office of president. Why do people vote? Brainwashing. Election after election, the same sorts of creatures get into office. The voters love to argue over the merits of the candidates like it's a football game playing in a back room of their minds.
    Only the worst sort of people run for office or get the funds to run. The rich can't bribe good people. Only morons vote for war criminals each and every time.
    , @bluedog
    Oh come now grandpa show me where Trump is any different than Bush or Obama was,singing the same tune on a different day,more weapons for the Ukraine, who can't even pay their debts,more weapons for the terrorist in Syria,trying to steal part of Syria for yet another outpost of the empire,another $1.7 trillion added to the debt while he mouth's I have a plan, another $1.7 trillion for infranstucture while the federal debt heads for the moon,a hugh tax cut for himself and the 1% he represents.Nope sorry charlie but just another day in fascist America while people bleat "he was the lessor of the two evils" but the question remains is just why in hell you voted for evil, for you did have the choice of staying home saying I want no part of evil,for you see America died in 1963 in a place called Dallas,Tex........
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  56. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Sergey Krieger
    Good to see you posting. I hear they are muling Ophrah. Really good choice for next president. Woman, black, fat and wealthy. Not gay or transvestite though but that's coming next. What makes me wonder how this sort of imbeciles gets elected without collapsing the state. I think it is moving slowly in this direction but there was enough 2 morons and no more ussr. Checks and balances. Makes me wonder what after Putin. I do it like him that much but he still intelligent, cool and calculating man that is not doing stupid things but neither genius. Regarding Americans, unfortunately they never felt real pain. Like a kid who does not know that fire is dangerous. I think safe financial collapse their gonna be trouble sooner or later with them. The best thing Russia and China can do is to undermine us dollar status and the whole financial system which was built by uncle Sam for uncle Sam benefit.

    Best hope for the world at this point is for the US to fail economically.

    A major depression. Massive financial defaults.

    Then and only then can the craziness of picking a fight with the rest of the world stop.

    And good riddance to that war mongering bastard McCain. His death may mean the saving of countless innoncent lives.

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    Anon from TN
    As American journalist Caitlin Johnstone wrote about McCain, “please just f… die already:
    https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/please-just-fucking-die-already-acb3a879656e
    Couldn’t have said it better myself.
    , @TT

    Best hope for the world at this point is for the US to fail economically.

    A major depression. Massive financial defaults.

    Then and only then can the craziness of picking a fight with the rest of the world stop.

     

    Nay. If US collapse, who is going to pay its debts & clean its shits? Best hope is their people wake up to their basic decent sense they long lost, overthrow their entire government, elect accountable technocrats to lead and start living prudently that a sane nation should. No war, no military, no free printing Fiat dollars, just work & live decently in peace with the world. Of course pay up all the debts over next few generations. Don't screw up my usd saving.
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  57. @EliteCommInc.
    You make a lot of references to what has taken hold in the country. I don't see it. I voted for Pres Trump. He's been a bit weal knee'd on issues he campaigned on . But I get it. He's neck deep among the most aggressive advocates for war -- in the name of regime, wmd use or some other desperate cause, "rape " being the new entry in a long line of causes.


    But these fears don't reside among the general population. Nuclear is certain ly a possibility. But its not anymore possible now than it was under the previous admin. Which if I recall wanted to push the envelope of every tension point they could find. I think it's more fear mongering by the establishment t to get whatever it is they want. This article does a fine job of noting the issues, but it also presses the fear. And in many respects, it's a tough spot for people. We elect people to keep things sane.

    Yet the wealthiest, the brightest, the most highly educated privileged and influential live in an echo chamber in which by all appearances their leadership seems to makes things worse.

    It's a tad irritating.

    “Nuclear is certain ly a possibility. But its not anymore possible now than it was under the previous admin.” — EliteComminc.

    So that was why the people voted for Trump — so things wouldn’t get any worse than they were under Obama? Seems like kind of a low bar to set for ourselves … and not exactly what Trump promised that made him popular.

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    Let me tell you why I voted for Pres trump.


    1. I support limiting immigration -- and supporting it for me means, we should have closed the borders for five years after 9/11. DACA should never had been shoved down the road -- this executives passing the buck -- deeply disappointing.

    The events of 9/11 were in no small part immigration enforcement failures.

    2. I fully expected him to tackle trade policy.

    3. We need to examine our military forward leaning posture, so that we are not over extended materially, financially and via our manpower
    a. I think there are valid reasons to be concerned about Iran -- but we have no case for regime
    change
    b. we need to get out of Syria
    c. we either should engage in full scale war in Afghanistan or get out - it was a mistake to get in
    the first place -- we needed twenty and went after millions -- unwise.
    d. tough talk with N Korea is fine, but we need to be treating them as any other state and engage
    in diplomacy as well. There's not much new in threats, name calling and other attempts to
    humiliate.
    e. we need to respect the sovereignty of other countries - period.
    f. if Saudi Arabia wants to take on foes in the region that's their choice, the same applies to
    Israel.

    4. The US first means, the US first. I get that we want order on the globe, but if we are going to the heavy lifting -- we had better get more buck for our bang. Note -- I din't think the world is collapsing around us -- but we are certainly making it look that way.

    5. I took seriously tat he intended to challenge this crazy idea that christians should be serving or in any way attending to ceremonies in which same sex practitioners - given scripture, there's no way should be forced into any such situation--

    6. I expected the impossible -- no government money spent in murdering children in the womb.

    That's a snippet of why I voted for Pres Trump.

    No. What made him popular was that he represented what most people in the country have been saying for a while --

    -- a toned down foreign policy -- avoid unnecessary wars/conflicts
    -- take on the establishments -- social polity on steroids --
    -- let's reassess our own Domestic economic policy focusing on getting people back to work
    -- challenge the government waste , fraud and abuse
    -- not bankroll the gutting of US business as they ship employment overseas or import cheap labor
    here.
    -- he expressed the frustrations of millions of voters.

    Now I would be the last to brag about his performance thus far ---But those are the reasons I voted.

    Note: I don't mind a harsh response response. I would prefer to avoid false comments about my gender, communist aspirations, faith, etc. I make no apologies for being a conservative and no amount of personal attack is going to shift my positions. Celibacy is not an identity crisis
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  58. @Anonymous
    Seriously, why the childish obsession with parties?

    “Seriously, why the childish obsession with parties?” — Anonymous (at 17) speaking to Grandpa

    Seriously, Anonymous, we are examining a system, and a system has components. So, like a physician who (childishly?) orders MRIs, blood work, and and and … we try to examine components of the system. No one component will explain the patient’s condition, nor will it point the way to a cure … but you can’t rule anything out and you do need to look at the components … seriously.

    Why do you make a judgment that when I remark on political parties, that is somehow my “childish obsession”? Are you not trying to get my goat? I think you are. And I think that’s because of some childish obsession of yours.

    Have you ever noticed how people tend to project their own mentality onto others?

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    If you vote you are a slave. Let me ask you this, why do we live in a giant perpetual war state fighting and not winning war after war after war? Because of the profit. With zombie morons as taxpayers going along and giving all of their money to this never ending Ponzi scheme. Only cretins allow this with their votes. 100% of the voting class surrenders their sovereignty to strangers and then they argue over who picked the right strangers. Liberal and Conservative voters all support their own enslavement. No exceptions. If you vote, you live as a slave. Thank God the voters diminish in size with every election. Eventual everyone will wake up to their slavery.
    , @Biff

    Are you not trying to get my goat?
     
    With great success.
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  59. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    “No matter who gets elected to the White House, the policy remains the same.” -- Putin, quoted by Biff
     
    This is mostly true today, but has not always been true and will not necessarily always and forever be true. It wasn't even entirely true in our last election, 2016. While we would rather see Trump at a much greater distance from Hillary -- e.g., respecting influence of the neocons or ziocons -- it would be false to claim that all policies remain the same. On Russia, it remains to be seen if Trump's policy will be the same as Hillary's. At least, the implosion of Russiagate has driven a wedge into the wall of cynicism and hopelessness that Biff and followers embody (followers that "AGREE" with Biff).

    And then we have this thoughtless, indefensible and undefended as well as unfounded piece of NonThink --

    "If Gore did win the election, 9/11 would’ve still happened, along with the Afghan/Iraq invasions." Biff
     
    Really, Biff? You know absolutely that 9/11 would still have happened, just as it did, with the stand-down of NORAD directed from the basement of the White House by a Dick Cheney? Even if Al Gov's victory in 2000 had been acknowledged and Gore were POTUS? And just as happened under the Dubbya administration, there would have been effectively no investigation but only a Commission report full of lies? And, of course, former Senator Max Cleland would have still been appointed to the Commission and would have still resigned in disgust over the cover-up (Bush and Cheney refusing to testify under oath). You, Biff, you know all that, do you?

    I'll give you this much, Biff -- one way to lose a battle is to give up before it starts. Some would say that's the easy way ...

    Same for you, Radical Center and bluedog ...

    The American voters love to elect plutocrats to “lead” them. Why would any sane human vote for W, Obama, Hillary, Trump, Biden, Reagan, Carter, JFK, LBJ, Truman, DDE, or any of the other plutocratic creatures the voting class seems to love. Name a decent human among those war mongering monsters. Only morally reprehensible people run for any office. Of course they all see themselves as perfect, but in reality not one single decent human being assumes the office of president. Why do people vote? Brainwashing. Election after election, the same sorts of creatures get into office. The voters love to argue over the merits of the candidates like it’s a football game playing in a back room of their minds.
    Only the worst sort of people run for office or get the funds to run. The rich can’t bribe good people. Only morons vote for war criminals each and every time.

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    Anonymous asks me, "Why do we Americans vote?" ... and my answer is, "Just pure stubbornness, I guess."

    But you know, Anonymous, this isn't Australia, and you don't have to vote, that's one of our American rights, and we need to cling to those rights because they are fast fading away, so yeah, not voting, that's an option. But especially you don't have to vote for either of the candidates of the two major parties. Also, there's all kinds of elections besides just the presidential, like Justice of the Peace, members of the State Legislature, U.S Representative and all that.

    Like Winston Churchill probably said," Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others."
    , @anon
    They are not moron, but accomplice. Collectively they choosen they murderous leaders, are responsible for everything their leaders did. Osama had already explained that to Yankees. Your pres bomb me, i bomb you, don't whine.
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  60. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @lavoisier
    Best hope for the world at this point is for the US to fail economically.

    A major depression. Massive financial defaults.

    Then and only then can the craziness of picking a fight with the rest of the world stop.

    And good riddance to that war mongering bastard McCain. His death may mean the saving of countless innoncent lives.

    Anon from TN
    As American journalist Caitlin Johnstone wrote about McCain, “please just f… die already:

    https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/please-just-fucking-die-already-acb3a879656e

    Couldn’t have said it better myself.

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  61. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    "Seriously, why the childish obsession with parties?" -- Anonymous (at 17) speaking to Grandpa
     
    Seriously, Anonymous, we are examining a system, and a system has components. So, like a physician who (childishly?) orders MRIs, blood work, and and and ... we try to examine components of the system. No one component will explain the patient's condition, nor will it point the way to a cure ... but you can't rule anything out and you do need to look at the components ... seriously.

    Why do you make a judgment that when I remark on political parties, that is somehow my "childish obsession"? Are you not trying to get my goat? I think you are. And I think that's because of some childish obsession of yours.

    Have you ever noticed how people tend to project their own mentality onto others?

    If you vote you are a slave. Let me ask you this, why do we live in a giant perpetual war state fighting and not winning war after war after war? Because of the profit. With zombie morons as taxpayers going along and giving all of their money to this never ending Ponzi scheme. Only cretins allow this with their votes. 100% of the voting class surrenders their sovereignty to strangers and then they argue over who picked the right strangers. Liberal and Conservative voters all support their own enslavement. No exceptions. If you vote, you live as a slave. Thank God the voters diminish in size with every election. Eventual everyone will wake up to their slavery.

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    "Let me ask you this, why do we live in a giant perpetual war state fighting and not winning war after war after war? Because of the profit." -- Anonymous
     
    Well, you see, Anonymous, I am old enough to remember World War II -- which, it can be argued, was won by the USA, Also, all these wars after wars after wars that we don't win, those have all been "wars" that did not happen, and continue not to happen according to the Constitution. There was never a vote since World War II to declare a war. If we Americans would wake up and start voting against all those in Congress who enact such abominations as the War Powers Act -- that's most but not all members of Congress -- we would have none of these undeclared anti-constitutional and losing wars.

    As for war profits, as someone who remembers World War II, we had back then something called the "War Profiteering Act" under which billionaires found guilty could be sentenced to hard time for the crime of war profiteering. It's said that the reason J. Paul Getty stayed out of the USA for so long is that he was waiting for the statute of limitations to run on the War Profiteering Act -- and it's a fact that he returned to the USA within a year after the statute of limitations had run its course (20 years). I personally pleaded, every which way I could, for a War Profiteering Act during the Iraq War. Didn't you?
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  62. @yurivku
    I left this comment on a different article ( http://thesaker.is/listening-to-mattis/ ), but seems it could be in place here also. Cause we're talking aproximately same and nothing gonna change
    -------

    Well, it’s getting boring a little. I mean the descriptions of the insanity of US’s rulers.

    One positive thing in US policy is a stability and progress – dummy president replaced by stupid one, that replaced by insane after him goes imbecile. I can’t imagine who’s going to be next -).
    But there are many of old crazy women and men ready to help if current imbecile went down.

    Thanks God, we, Russians, not that happy. After imbecile alcoholic Eltsin we’ve got not bad alternative (your media and supid people in power call him a killer).
    That’s (his sanity) the only belief for this world to survive.

    But, actually we’re very tired from all this stuff and the possibility of US generals to test our conventional and even nuk arms constantly increasing. They can also test if our soldiers who’ve seen Napoleon, Hitler and many others got worse or still the same.

    I’m asking US citizens – Is it really interesting to you to get know it for sure?

    “I’m asking US citizens – Is it really interesting to you to get know it for sure?” — yurivku

    I am a US citizen, born and raised here, still living here, so I feel called upon to respond to your question.

    First, I admire your fighting spirit, the spirit of Mama Bear, Mother Russia. But, second, NO, not interested in testing it, not trying to pick a fight with the Russian Bear. The thing is that this country, USA, absorbs all kinds of people from all over the world, so we have among us people who glorify the Nazis of Ukraine, or whatever, but they are not what I would call Americans, not born-and-raised in USA. We have gotten tired of all that, so when people say, like, Jews who say that Israel is threatened by the horrible Arabs, etc., we tend to just say, Oh yeah, sure. That has something to do with why we don’t want any more immigrants. If you want to come here to live, then leave all your old allegiances and all your old beefs back there wherever you came from. America is not Israel, not Palestine, not Russia, not Germany, not Africa, not Muslim-land, not even Ireland for that matter. America is the center of the world, America … God help us.

    I don’t know anything about Roth — who wrote the article and that various commenters have gone out of their way to misconstrue — but it seems to me that he did not advocate any such thing as antagonizing Russia or the Russian people. He was just taking inventory of the situation, pretty much objectively, which always stirs up all kinds of subjectively opinionated people — people with chips on their shoulders and not much of any importance to do. I mean, that’s why I post here at Unz … because in my ninth decade in this lifetime, I don’t have much to do of any importance (and I like a lot of the content here). A way to pass the time and keep in touch with other people.

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    He was just taking inventory of the situation, pretty much objectively, which always stirs up all kinds of subjectively opinionated people — people with chips on their shoulders and not much of any importance to do.
     
    Superb observation.
    , @Biff

    America is not Israel
     
    You need some possessive punctuation with that, like; ‘s. Then you’re on to something.
    , @yurivku
    Hi Charlie!

    First, I admire your fighting spirit, the spirit of Mama Bear, Mother Russia
     
    Thank you, but I'm not in fighting mood, I just tried to explain you, US citizens, where your stupid leaders lead us all. We, Russians, do not want it, but we will fight if it'll be inevitable. We always did.

    I wander why you elect this stupid bastards again and again? Probally you like them, probaly you deserve them and deserve the destiny which can be very bad. But in this case nobody escapes, not us not US asskissers in the rest of world.

    Now seems to me the last time to do something about it. And it should be done in US, only you can change something.


    Imbeciles like McCain or H.Clinton know that their life near the end and probably life of others is out of theirs interest, but what about others 300 millions of people?

    America is the center of the world, America … God help us.
     
    It's a main mistake of you, Americans. America is just one place, there are many others not worse than yours. And the are many peoples not worse than yours and it'll be good for America to understand this simple thing. Than God will certainly help all us.

    Regards,
    Yuri
    , @anon

    The thing is that this country, USA, absorbs all kinds of people from all over the world, so we have among us people who glorify the Nazis of Ukraine, or whatever, but they are not what I would call Americans, not born-and-raised in USA. We have gotten tired of all that, so when people say, like, Jews who say that Israel is threatened by the horrible Arabs, etc., we tend to just say, Oh yeah, sure. That has something to do with why we don’t want any more immigrants.

     

    Granpa, all your elected Pres, congressmen, Pentagon war mongers, Military killers, MIC, Wall Street, CIA, NSA, presstitutes' bosses...are all what you called born-and-raised Americans. New migrants don't get these security clearance.
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  63. This is an excellent commentary on the results of deep state demonization of Russia simply because the Russian government decides to represent the interests of the Russian people rather than yankee wannabe overlords. The logical end result of this propaganda campaign is a life ending holocaust as the author indicates.

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  64. @Anonymous
    The American voters love to elect plutocrats to "lead" them. Why would any sane human vote for W, Obama, Hillary, Trump, Biden, Reagan, Carter, JFK, LBJ, Truman, DDE, or any of the other plutocratic creatures the voting class seems to love. Name a decent human among those war mongering monsters. Only morally reprehensible people run for any office. Of course they all see themselves as perfect, but in reality not one single decent human being assumes the office of president. Why do people vote? Brainwashing. Election after election, the same sorts of creatures get into office. The voters love to argue over the merits of the candidates like it's a football game playing in a back room of their minds.
    Only the worst sort of people run for office or get the funds to run. The rich can't bribe good people. Only morons vote for war criminals each and every time.

    Anonymous asks me, “Why do we Americans vote?” … and my answer is, “Just pure stubbornness, I guess.”

    But you know, Anonymous, this isn’t Australia, and you don’t have to vote, that’s one of our American rights, and we need to cling to those rights because they are fast fading away, so yeah, not voting, that’s an option. But especially you don’t have to vote for either of the candidates of the two major parties. Also, there’s all kinds of elections besides just the presidential, like Justice of the Peace, members of the State Legislature, U.S Representative and all that.

    Like Winston Churchill probably said,” Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”

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  65. RobinG says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    "I’m asking US citizens – Is it really interesting to you to get know it for sure?" -- yurivku
     
    I am a US citizen, born and raised here, still living here, so I feel called upon to respond to your question.

    First, I admire your fighting spirit, the spirit of Mama Bear, Mother Russia. But, second, NO, not interested in testing it, not trying to pick a fight with the Russian Bear. The thing is that this country, USA, absorbs all kinds of people from all over the world, so we have among us people who glorify the Nazis of Ukraine, or whatever, but they are not what I would call Americans, not born-and-raised in USA. We have gotten tired of all that, so when people say, like, Jews who say that Israel is threatened by the horrible Arabs, etc., we tend to just say, Oh yeah, sure. That has something to do with why we don't want any more immigrants. If you want to come here to live, then leave all your old allegiances and all your old beefs back there wherever you came from. America is not Israel, not Palestine, not Russia, not Germany, not Africa, not Muslim-land, not even Ireland for that matter. America is the center of the world, America ... God help us.

    I don't know anything about Roth -- who wrote the article and that various commenters have gone out of their way to misconstrue -- but it seems to me that he did not advocate any such thing as antagonizing Russia or the Russian people. He was just taking inventory of the situation, pretty much objectively, which always stirs up all kinds of subjectively opinionated people -- people with chips on their shoulders and not much of any importance to do. I mean, that's why I post here at Unz ... because in my ninth decade in this lifetime, I don't have much to do of any importance (and I like a lot of the content here). A way to pass the time and keep in touch with other people.

    He was just taking inventory of the situation, pretty much objectively, which always stirs up all kinds of subjectively opinionated people — people with chips on their shoulders and not much of any importance to do.

    Superb observation.

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    Yes, superb observation because I thought that Grandpa was describing himself. Grandpa is full of shallow wisdom of the kind he describes above, which reads terribly attractive (populist) at first glance. Thus he says “oh yeah, sure” when the US Jews demonise Arabs, whilst it is his taxes and his children which do the practical work of killing and creating chaos in the Arab and other countries.

    To explain my point simply, Grandpa is insinuating that immigration makes US the monster that it is - it is these foreigners who bring their problems to US, whilst the native born US people would be kissing the whole World out of goodness of their own hearts. But the Zionist Jews who are totally driving the US global wrecking ball are often 3-4the generation US born natives although often dual citizens as well. The political influence of Nazi Ukrainians in US is negligible, although not so in Canada. But Jews always remain Jews, even 100 generations later and they still get others to pay and die for the Jewish interests. It is the connection between the Ukrainian Jews and the US Jews which is driving the situation in Ukraine, whilst the Nazis are only their cannon fodder, useful idiots.

    Robin, for me Grandpa is a wonderful example how mature age in US does not bring wisdom, which makes US a unique environment. My first, quick explanation is that the US media diet is to blame. As a US citizen what do you think?

    , @Grandpa Charlie
    RobinG --

    Thank you!
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  66. @Anonymous
    If you vote you are a slave. Let me ask you this, why do we live in a giant perpetual war state fighting and not winning war after war after war? Because of the profit. With zombie morons as taxpayers going along and giving all of their money to this never ending Ponzi scheme. Only cretins allow this with their votes. 100% of the voting class surrenders their sovereignty to strangers and then they argue over who picked the right strangers. Liberal and Conservative voters all support their own enslavement. No exceptions. If you vote, you live as a slave. Thank God the voters diminish in size with every election. Eventual everyone will wake up to their slavery.

    “Let me ask you this, why do we live in a giant perpetual war state fighting and not winning war after war after war? Because of the profit.” — Anonymous

    Well, you see, Anonymous, I am old enough to remember World War II — which, it can be argued, was won by the USA, Also, all these wars after wars after wars that we don’t win, those have all been “wars” that did not happen, and continue not to happen according to the Constitution. There was never a vote since World War II to declare a war. If we Americans would wake up and start voting against all those in Congress who enact such abominations as the War Powers Act — that’s most but not all members of Congress — we would have none of these undeclared anti-constitutional and losing wars.

    As for war profits, as someone who remembers World War II, we had back then something called the “War Profiteering Act” under which billionaires found guilty could be sentenced to hard time for the crime of war profiteering. It’s said that the reason J. Paul Getty stayed out of the USA for so long is that he was waiting for the statute of limitations to run on the War Profiteering Act — and it’s a fact that he returned to the USA within a year after the statute of limitations had run its course (20 years). I personally pleaded, every which way I could, for a War Profiteering Act during the Iraq War. Didn’t you?

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    which, it can be argued, was won by the USA,
     
    Your memory failed, it us Russia/USSR who put 30 millions of lives to a victory and won. You as always were getting profit of it.
    , @Twodees Partain
    "If we Americans would wake up and start voting against all those in Congress who enact such abominations as the War Powers Act — that’s most but not all members of Congress — we would have none of these undeclared anti-constitutional and losing wars."

    That's one theory, I suppose. It is, however, based upon the belief that elections are decided by voting. That is a theory in itself, one which looks more dubious as I get older. It seems much more likely to me that election outcomes are predetermined and that vote totals are fabricated to fit the desired result.

    When there are only two parties, and those two parties seem always to be on the same page of every issue, it's easy for me to assume that the leadership of those parties are meeting to discuss election outcomes in advance of the voting. Having the electoral circus in place to give the victims of government the illusion that they are choosing the people who rob them and enslave them works as well as putting a little steering wheel on a baby's car seat.

    It keeps the baby occupied while the driver is steering the car to where he wants to go, whether the baby wants to go there or not.
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  67. @Harold Smith
    "But as Mr. Shatz observes, the problems run much deeper than President Trump."

    This statement is misleading. One honest, generally morally competent man holding the ever-more-powerful office of president of the U.S., could fix many things.

    Unfortunately, Donald John Trump is not that man.

    Let's consider one example: Many people believe that a real investigation into 9/11 would destroy the "deep state". Dr. J. Leroy Hulsey et al. have recently completed a study of the "collapse" of WTC7, whereby they've proven that "fire" was not the cause of the "collapse" of that building. This finding directly contradicts the NIST report. For the first time in 16 years there is now incontrovertible scientific evidence in the public domain that 9/11 was an "inside job". Why won't Donald John Trump take advantage of this unprecedented opportunity and order an investigation?

    There is only one plausible explanation: I believe that Donald John Trump was the "deep state" candidate of choice in the 2016 election. I believe that's why they ran wild-eyed madwoman Hillary Clinton against him rather than the more electable Sanders. I believe that's why, in the early fall of 2016, as the election was coming into the home stretch, Obama started ramping up tensions with Russia; i.e., so as to nudge the disgruntled anti-war Democrats (Sanders supporters) into Trump's camp, swinging the election to him.

    I believe that Donald John Trump is a "deep cover" or "sleeper" agent that's been groomed and waiting in the wings for his masters' call. I believe that Donald John Trump was called to power in a desperate now or never moment to save the "deep state" (Zionist) agenda.

    Donald John Trump is a liar. Donald John Trump is a fraud. Donald John Trump is a con man. Donald John Trump is a mass-murderer.

    “Donald John Trump is a liar. Donald John Trump is a fraud. Donald John Trump is a con man. Donald John Trump is a mass-murderer.” — Harold Smith

    Yeah, I see what you’re after here. You remember, as I do, how the campaign to ‘get’ Nixon really ramped up when the media began to use Nison’s full name — Richard Milhous Nixon. It might work. But I don’t see any point in “getting” Trump. Yes, he is a mass murderer, but that has nothing to do with his middle name.

    Anyway, if we drum Trump out, who do we get? Michael Richard Pence!

    OMG, “Richard”!

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    "But I don’t see any point in 'getting' Trump."

    The point is that there are too many credulous fools like Paul Craig Roberts who are defending Donald John Trump, no matter what he does or fails to do.

    According to credulous fools like Roberts, Obama did the evil he did because he was evil; whereas Donald John Trump does the evil that he does merely because he's "weak".

    It simply not within the realm of possibility (in Roberts' universe) that Trump and his handlers set out to deceive us from the beginning.

    And as Sun Tzu would probably tell you if he were here, this kind of "thinking", i.e., deceiving yourself because you can't admit that you were fooled, is very dangerous.

    "Yes, he is a mass murderer, but that has nothing to do with his middle name."

    Did I say otherwise? Sometimes I call him "Orange Clown"; sometimes I call him "Teflon Don the con man"; sometimes I refer to him as the presently seated "2nd beast of Rev 13"; lately I've been calling him "Donald John Trump". Sorry if that offends your gentle sensibilities.

    "Anyway, if we drum Trump out, who do we get? Michael Richard Pence!"

    Donald John Trump needs to be politically neutered before he does any more damage (most likely irrevocable damage, e.g., nuclear war). To that end he needs to be exposed for the demon-possessed moral monster that he is, rather than be portrayed by credulous fools like Roberts as some kind of innocent, well-intentioned, babe-in-the-woods; a nice guy in a bad situation, etc.

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  68. Biff says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    "Seriously, why the childish obsession with parties?" -- Anonymous (at 17) speaking to Grandpa
     
    Seriously, Anonymous, we are examining a system, and a system has components. So, like a physician who (childishly?) orders MRIs, blood work, and and and ... we try to examine components of the system. No one component will explain the patient's condition, nor will it point the way to a cure ... but you can't rule anything out and you do need to look at the components ... seriously.

    Why do you make a judgment that when I remark on political parties, that is somehow my "childish obsession"? Are you not trying to get my goat? I think you are. And I think that's because of some childish obsession of yours.

    Have you ever noticed how people tend to project their own mentality onto others?

    Are you not trying to get my goat?

    With great success.

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  69. Biff says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    "I’m asking US citizens – Is it really interesting to you to get know it for sure?" -- yurivku
     
    I am a US citizen, born and raised here, still living here, so I feel called upon to respond to your question.

    First, I admire your fighting spirit, the spirit of Mama Bear, Mother Russia. But, second, NO, not interested in testing it, not trying to pick a fight with the Russian Bear. The thing is that this country, USA, absorbs all kinds of people from all over the world, so we have among us people who glorify the Nazis of Ukraine, or whatever, but they are not what I would call Americans, not born-and-raised in USA. We have gotten tired of all that, so when people say, like, Jews who say that Israel is threatened by the horrible Arabs, etc., we tend to just say, Oh yeah, sure. That has something to do with why we don't want any more immigrants. If you want to come here to live, then leave all your old allegiances and all your old beefs back there wherever you came from. America is not Israel, not Palestine, not Russia, not Germany, not Africa, not Muslim-land, not even Ireland for that matter. America is the center of the world, America ... God help us.

    I don't know anything about Roth -- who wrote the article and that various commenters have gone out of their way to misconstrue -- but it seems to me that he did not advocate any such thing as antagonizing Russia or the Russian people. He was just taking inventory of the situation, pretty much objectively, which always stirs up all kinds of subjectively opinionated people -- people with chips on their shoulders and not much of any importance to do. I mean, that's why I post here at Unz ... because in my ninth decade in this lifetime, I don't have much to do of any importance (and I like a lot of the content here). A way to pass the time and keep in touch with other people.

    America is not Israel

    You need some possessive punctuation with that, like; ‘s. Then you’re on to something.

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    LOL! So subtle, so good!
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  70. Kiza says:
    @Beckow

    today our secret service made public that they spied on Russian interference in the USA elections
     
    Spying is like a recursive algorithm. Next Russia will announce that they 'spied on the Dutch spies who were spying on them'. Maybe we can skip the 'motivations': they are all spying on each other, all the time, it is their job description.

    I am still waiting for someone to explain to us how is 'interference' or 'meddling' different from having an opinion about an election. And we all know that Americans (or Dutch) have never, ever, expressed any opinions about other countries' elections. Right. My democracy promotion is your meddling.

    It is bad when you kill my cow. It is very good when I kill your cow. Monkey reasoning level?

    What a maginificent article in a severe competition of great articles in the alternative media.

    Beckow, I do make sure that I never miss your comments on unz.com. I know I am repeating myself, but writing and commenting without at least a minimum dose of humour, no matter how serious the topic is, is a waste of electrons. At the moment the two authors (comments are a form of writing too) of Russian extraction I like the most are Dmitry Orlov and you. You even have too similar a writing style (almost tempted to think that you are one and the same person), here is an example from the latest Orlov:

    …in spite of his intellectual limitations, Trump was quick to realize that he would be thwarted at every turn. His immigration initiatives could be shut down by a single politicized judge. The military-industrial complex would sabotage his every effort to end money-wasting weapons programs like the F-35 or pointless foreign occupations like Syria and Afghanistan. Members of his own party negated his efforts to end Obamacare before it implodes. Improved relations with Russia were made impossible by endless evidence-free accusations of Russian meddling. The token victory he has scored is in pushing through some sort of tax reform, but this was only possible because all kleptocrats everywhere can always reliably agree that more money for them is a good thing and that the inevitability of national bankruptcy is not a topic worthy of discussion. And so Trump decided to embrace a strategy of maximum offense, using Twitter and other public relations means at his disposal. He is, at this point, a swinging wrecking ball—an orange one…

    Therefore, the secret formula of good writing appears to be deep insight combined with colourful metaphors and light humour. My apology for typing this off topic.

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    Thanks for the kind words, but I am not in any way connected to Russia or Russians. I am a Slovak, or some days, Czechoslovak. We generally don't take things too seriously, thus the light humour. I sometimes think it is a mistake, a form of escapism, that it makes us less serious. But it is in our DNA.
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  71. Kiza says:
    @RobinG

    He was just taking inventory of the situation, pretty much objectively, which always stirs up all kinds of subjectively opinionated people — people with chips on their shoulders and not much of any importance to do.
     
    Superb observation.

    Yes, superb observation because I thought that Grandpa was describing himself. Grandpa is full of shallow wisdom of the kind he describes above, which reads terribly attractive (populist) at first glance. Thus he says “oh yeah, sure” when the US Jews demonise Arabs, whilst it is his taxes and his children which do the practical work of killing and creating chaos in the Arab and other countries.

    To explain my point simply, Grandpa is insinuating that immigration makes US the monster that it is – it is these foreigners who bring their problems to US, whilst the native born US people would be kissing the whole World out of goodness of their own hearts. But the Zionist Jews who are totally driving the US global wrecking ball are often 3-4the generation US born natives although often dual citizens as well. The political influence of Nazi Ukrainians in US is negligible, although not so in Canada. But Jews always remain Jews, even 100 generations later and they still get others to pay and die for the Jewish interests. It is the connection between the Ukrainian Jews and the US Jews which is driving the situation in Ukraine, whilst the Nazis are only their cannon fodder, useful idiots.

    Robin, for me Grandpa is a wonderful example how mature age in US does not bring wisdom, which makes US a unique environment. My first, quick explanation is that the US media diet is to blame. As a US citizen what do you think?

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  72. Kiza says:
    @Anonymous
    The cyber false flag in Hawaii was a flawless, well studied covert operation. The so-called risk of nuclear war is part and parcel of more psychological operations aimed at the American people to remind them of who their enemies are.

    Notice the large dropoff in muslim based terror hysteria by the propaganda systems. The debates are created around Russia, Nork, or China and the red herring of nuclear war is wheeled out of a closet at the CIA. Take a bite.

    I agree.

    Now let us take a science fiction approach for just a moment. According to the calculation by the relevant scientists there should be at least 100 billion developed civilisations in the Universe. Because of so many, at least a few of them must have achieved the extreme level of development which would have allowed them to circumvent the Theory of Relativity and travel throughout the Universe. Now imagine these travelers coming across the planet Earth. They have a quick look and what do they see? The planet has this wierd group of people called a US nation, which call themselves advanced, exceptional, unique and on a mission, but they suffer from a self-inflicted paranoid delusion they call Russiagate. So this “advanced” nation treathens all life on the little blue planet for the sake of fulfilling their lowest urges and delusions and for maintaining their comfy lives at the expense of everybody else on the planet.

    If you were an extra-terrestrial would you do anything else but quarantine/isolate the planet of the sufferers of the mad-human disease until they either destroy themselves or cure themselves of their delusional madness? What I am trying to say is that, despite all flashy US SF movie productions in which it is always some US person who establishes the First Contact, exactly US would be the reason why humanity could never join some intergalactic association of civilisations.

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    Kiza, your comments are good, thank you.
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  73. @Grandpa Charlie

    "Nuclear is certain ly a possibility. But its not anymore possible now than it was under the previous admin." -- EliteComminc.
     
    So that was why the people voted for Trump -- so things wouldn't get any worse than they were under Obama? Seems like kind of a low bar to set for ourselves ... and not exactly what Trump promised that made him popular.

    Let me tell you why I voted for Pres trump.

    1. I support limiting immigration — and supporting it for me means, we should have closed the borders for five years after 9/11. DACA should never had been shoved down the road — this executives passing the buck — deeply disappointing.

    The events of 9/11 were in no small part immigration enforcement failures.

    2. I fully expected him to tackle trade policy.

    3. We need to examine our military forward leaning posture, so that we are not over extended materially, financially and via our manpower
    a. I think there are valid reasons to be concerned about Iran — but we have no case for regime
    change
    b. we need to get out of Syria
    c. we either should engage in full scale war in Afghanistan or get out – it was a mistake to get in
    the first place — we needed twenty and went after millions — unwise.
    d. tough talk with N Korea is fine, but we need to be treating them as any other state and engage
    in diplomacy as well. There’s not much new in threats, name calling and other attempts to
    humiliate.
    e. we need to respect the sovereignty of other countries – period.
    f. if Saudi Arabia wants to take on foes in the region that’s their choice, the same applies to
    Israel.

    4. The US first means, the US first. I get that we want order on the globe, but if we are going to the heavy lifting — we had better get more buck for our bang. Note — I din’t think the world is collapsing around us — but we are certainly making it look that way.

    5. I took seriously tat he intended to challenge this crazy idea that christians should be serving or in any way attending to ceremonies in which same sex practitioners – given scripture, there’s no way should be forced into any such situation–

    6. I expected the impossible — no government money spent in murdering children in the womb.

    That’s a snippet of why I voted for Pres Trump.

    No. What made him popular was that he represented what most people in the country have been saying for a while –

    – a toned down foreign policy — avoid unnecessary wars/conflicts
    – take on the establishments — social polity on steroids —
    – let’s reassess our own Domestic economic policy focusing on getting people back to work
    – challenge the government waste , fraud and abuse
    – not bankroll the gutting of US business as they ship employment overseas or import cheap labor
    here.
    – he expressed the frustrations of millions of voters.

    Now I would be the last to brag about his performance thus far —But those are the reasons I voted.

    Note: I don’t mind a harsh response response. I would prefer to avoid false comments about my gender, communist aspirations, faith, etc. I make no apologies for being a conservative and no amount of personal attack is going to shift my positions. Celibacy is not an identity crisis

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    A number of the reasons you listed are the same reasons I never embraced the conservative dogma,it reminds me of something a fellow told me once about conservatives,he said a good conservative goes to church on Sunday to show the community what a good christian he is, then steals the collection plate on his way out to pay for his time...
    , @Twodees Partain
    I think you left out one reason:

    You voted because you believe that elections are decided by votes. I don't believe any such thing, so I don't bother with voting. I despise Hillary Clinton, but I knew that Trump would be president because it was the republicans' turn at the presidency.
    , @Grandpa Charlie
    ElitrComminc. --

    I more-or-less agree with many of your points about the 2016 election -- but not all of them. About the so-called pro-life agenda, I think that -- while I agree that celibacy is a real and a great alternative and should be part of any rational thinking about life -- still I understand that at present we have a real over-population problem globally. So, I am opposed to any black-and-white thinking about birth control, since it's unrealistic to apply absolutist (black-and-white) ethics to biology, where it's all shades of gray. So if you are a moral absolutist, I am a moral relativist ... and we just have to agree to disagree ... unless we can arrange a duel to the death somewhere. I would argue that overpopulation is such that we ell end up engaged in duels to the death anyway ...
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  74. yurivku says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    Good to see you posting. I hear they are muling Ophrah. Really good choice for next president. Woman, black, fat and wealthy. Not gay or transvestite though but that's coming next. What makes me wonder how this sort of imbeciles gets elected without collapsing the state. I think it is moving slowly in this direction but there was enough 2 morons and no more ussr. Checks and balances. Makes me wonder what after Putin. I do it like him that much but he still intelligent, cool and calculating man that is not doing stupid things but neither genius. Regarding Americans, unfortunately they never felt real pain. Like a kid who does not know that fire is dangerous. I think safe financial collapse their gonna be trouble sooner or later with them. The best thing Russia and China can do is to undermine us dollar status and the whole financial system which was built by uncle Sam for uncle Sam benefit.

    Good to see you posting

    Thank you Sergei. Just see me or you liked what i’ve posted?

    I hear they are muling Ophrah.

    didn’t understand that.

    But my post was about the dead end where current US policy leads us all. As you know we will fight, we always did. But only back. I wonder if every time the US citizens vote for most stupid bastards probably they want them? Probably they deserve them if they do it again and again.

    Now seems to be the last time to do something. Yes, here at UNZ audience mostly sane and understanding, but it’s not the case in majority of West’s and especially US’s talking places.

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    Both seeing you posting and comments safe nuclear button. Seems you were depressed. I meant they are starting contemplating Oprah as possible next presidential candidate for 2020 run. Everybody deserves leaders one elects.
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  75. yurivku says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    "I’m asking US citizens – Is it really interesting to you to get know it for sure?" -- yurivku
     
    I am a US citizen, born and raised here, still living here, so I feel called upon to respond to your question.

    First, I admire your fighting spirit, the spirit of Mama Bear, Mother Russia. But, second, NO, not interested in testing it, not trying to pick a fight with the Russian Bear. The thing is that this country, USA, absorbs all kinds of people from all over the world, so we have among us people who glorify the Nazis of Ukraine, or whatever, but they are not what I would call Americans, not born-and-raised in USA. We have gotten tired of all that, so when people say, like, Jews who say that Israel is threatened by the horrible Arabs, etc., we tend to just say, Oh yeah, sure. That has something to do with why we don't want any more immigrants. If you want to come here to live, then leave all your old allegiances and all your old beefs back there wherever you came from. America is not Israel, not Palestine, not Russia, not Germany, not Africa, not Muslim-land, not even Ireland for that matter. America is the center of the world, America ... God help us.

    I don't know anything about Roth -- who wrote the article and that various commenters have gone out of their way to misconstrue -- but it seems to me that he did not advocate any such thing as antagonizing Russia or the Russian people. He was just taking inventory of the situation, pretty much objectively, which always stirs up all kinds of subjectively opinionated people -- people with chips on their shoulders and not much of any importance to do. I mean, that's why I post here at Unz ... because in my ninth decade in this lifetime, I don't have much to do of any importance (and I like a lot of the content here). A way to pass the time and keep in touch with other people.

    Hi Charlie!

    First, I admire your fighting spirit, the spirit of Mama Bear, Mother Russia

    Thank you, but I’m not in fighting mood, I just tried to explain you, US citizens, where your stupid leaders lead us all. We, Russians, do not want it, but we will fight if it’ll be inevitable. We always did.

    I wander why you elect this stupid bastards again and again? Probally you like them, probaly you deserve them and deserve the destiny which can be very bad. But in this case nobody escapes, not us not US asskissers in the rest of world.

    Now seems to me the last time to do something about it. And it should be done in US, only you can change something.

    Imbeciles like McCain or H.Clinton know that their life near the end and probably life of others is out of theirs interest, but what about others 300 millions of people?

    America is the center of the world, America … God help us.

    It’s a main mistake of you, Americans. America is just one place, there are many others not worse than yours. And the are many peoples not worse than yours and it’ll be good for America to understand this simple thing. Than God will certainly help all us.

    Regards,
    Yuri

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    I’m not in fighting mood, I just tried to explain you, US citizens, where your stupid leaders lead us all. We, Russians, do not want it, but we will fight if it’ll be inevitable. We always did.
     

    America is just one place, there are many others not worse than yours. And the are many peoples not worse than yours and it’ll be good for America to understand this simple thing. Than God will certainly help all us.

    Regards,
    Yuri
     
    Yuri,

    The reason I responded is that you specifically asked for a response from an American. And the reason I addressed the Mama Bear aspect of Russia is that, you know, Mama Bear is legendary especially in western USA -- if you rile her up or bother her cubs ... well, that's not something you want to do.

    As annoying as it is when MSM lies to us, pretending that we actually believe those lies, it's even more annoying when they pretend to speak for us Americans about something like Russia or Ukraine.

    Americans don't believe any of it -- maybe we once did believe the okeydoke, but not anymore. That's probably the biggest reason that Trump was elected. He campaigned against the mainstream global-corporations-owned media.
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  76. yurivku says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    "Let me ask you this, why do we live in a giant perpetual war state fighting and not winning war after war after war? Because of the profit." -- Anonymous
     
    Well, you see, Anonymous, I am old enough to remember World War II -- which, it can be argued, was won by the USA, Also, all these wars after wars after wars that we don't win, those have all been "wars" that did not happen, and continue not to happen according to the Constitution. There was never a vote since World War II to declare a war. If we Americans would wake up and start voting against all those in Congress who enact such abominations as the War Powers Act -- that's most but not all members of Congress -- we would have none of these undeclared anti-constitutional and losing wars.

    As for war profits, as someone who remembers World War II, we had back then something called the "War Profiteering Act" under which billionaires found guilty could be sentenced to hard time for the crime of war profiteering. It's said that the reason J. Paul Getty stayed out of the USA for so long is that he was waiting for the statute of limitations to run on the War Profiteering Act -- and it's a fact that he returned to the USA within a year after the statute of limitations had run its course (20 years). I personally pleaded, every which way I could, for a War Profiteering Act during the Iraq War. Didn't you?

    which, it can be argued, was won by the USA,

    Your memory failed, it us Russia/USSR who put 30 millions of lives to a victory and won. You as always were getting profit of it.

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    Looks like every Russian immediately gets allergic reaction towards this. They have been conditioned and it is in their national psych. Already in 1977 they called 20 series movie Unknown war. This guy claims he still remembers the war, which means he must be of pretty advanced age and yet I have no idea what he smokes even stating US won WW2. Is there single major land battle won by US military in Europe? KIA- killed in action of Germans by US forces statistics vs Soviet one and losses inflicted. Everything points towards USSR, but they as usually ignore facts. They ignorance and arrogance is on genetic level.
    , @Grandpa Charlie

    "Your memory failed, it us Russia/USSR who put 30 millions of lives to a victory and won. You as always were getting profit of it." -- yurivku
     
    You're twisting my words. What I said in response to someone who was complaining about war after war after war and none of them victories ... what I said is that going back to World War II, that was a war that arguably could be said to be a war that USA won, meaning USA was on the winning side. That in no way indicates that it was won without partnership of Russia (and UK). You don't need to put words in my mouth, I talk enough as it is!

    And anyway, look, Russia (or the USSR) got even with USA when entering the war in Asia for a few days, after we had been fighting many stiff battles in the Pacific throughout all of 1942, 1943 and 1944 and into 1945! Maybe Americans need an education about the European war, but you might need an education into the war in the Pacific. And don't try to claim that there was no Soviet propaganda to the effect that Soviet troops played a much greater role than they really did in Manchuria. I've seen the Soviet propaganda films.

    So let's call it even, and let's go back to those war days and remember that we -- Americans and Russians -- we were allies. And the Allies won the war!

    Of course, it was all somewhat soured by old uncle Ioe.
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  77. bluedog says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    “No matter who gets elected to the White House, the policy remains the same.” -- Putin, quoted by Biff
     
    This is mostly true today, but has not always been true and will not necessarily always and forever be true. It wasn't even entirely true in our last election, 2016. While we would rather see Trump at a much greater distance from Hillary -- e.g., respecting influence of the neocons or ziocons -- it would be false to claim that all policies remain the same. On Russia, it remains to be seen if Trump's policy will be the same as Hillary's. At least, the implosion of Russiagate has driven a wedge into the wall of cynicism and hopelessness that Biff and followers embody (followers that "AGREE" with Biff).

    And then we have this thoughtless, indefensible and undefended as well as unfounded piece of NonThink --

    "If Gore did win the election, 9/11 would’ve still happened, along with the Afghan/Iraq invasions." Biff
     
    Really, Biff? You know absolutely that 9/11 would still have happened, just as it did, with the stand-down of NORAD directed from the basement of the White House by a Dick Cheney? Even if Al Gov's victory in 2000 had been acknowledged and Gore were POTUS? And just as happened under the Dubbya administration, there would have been effectively no investigation but only a Commission report full of lies? And, of course, former Senator Max Cleland would have still been appointed to the Commission and would have still resigned in disgust over the cover-up (Bush and Cheney refusing to testify under oath). You, Biff, you know all that, do you?

    I'll give you this much, Biff -- one way to lose a battle is to give up before it starts. Some would say that's the easy way ...

    Same for you, Radical Center and bluedog ...

    Oh come now grandpa show me where Trump is any different than Bush or Obama was,singing the same tune on a different day,more weapons for the Ukraine, who can’t even pay their debts,more weapons for the terrorist in Syria,trying to steal part of Syria for yet another outpost of the empire,another $1.7 trillion added to the debt while he mouth’s I have a plan, another $1.7 trillion for infranstucture while the federal debt heads for the moon,a hugh tax cut for himself and the 1% he represents.Nope sorry charlie but just another day in fascist America while people bleat “he was the lessor of the two evils” but the question remains is just why in hell you voted for evil, for you did have the choice of staying home saying I want no part of evil,for you see America died in 1963 in a place called Dallas,Tex……..

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    bluedog,

    Trump administration is different from Obama only in that it cut by 50% the number of immigrants who entered USA, compared with the last year of Obama. Otherwise it was all bait and switch, and I never said anything other than that, not since Trump came into office and started his sell-out of his campaign promises. Plus, it was worth something, in terms of future possibilities, to see Hillary tossed out. Plus, along with destroying the Democrats' multiculturalism and identity politics, Bush also way back in the Republican debates gave the lie to the media neocon-ziocon myth that there was any basis to the idea that the Bush family has any popular support in America whatsoever ... that being when he dissed Jeb like an old throw-away rag.

    But I agree with you that "America died in 1963 in a place called Dallas,Tex…"
    , @renfro

    .....for you see America died in 1963 in a place called Dallas,Tex……..
     
    Yes it did.

    And oddly enough here is the Jewish woman who became Johnson's foreign policy muse after Kennedy's assassination.


    The not-so-secret life of Mathilde Krim

    http://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/secret-life-mathilde/
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  78. bluedog says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Let me tell you why I voted for Pres trump.


    1. I support limiting immigration -- and supporting it for me means, we should have closed the borders for five years after 9/11. DACA should never had been shoved down the road -- this executives passing the buck -- deeply disappointing.

    The events of 9/11 were in no small part immigration enforcement failures.

    2. I fully expected him to tackle trade policy.

    3. We need to examine our military forward leaning posture, so that we are not over extended materially, financially and via our manpower
    a. I think there are valid reasons to be concerned about Iran -- but we have no case for regime
    change
    b. we need to get out of Syria
    c. we either should engage in full scale war in Afghanistan or get out - it was a mistake to get in
    the first place -- we needed twenty and went after millions -- unwise.
    d. tough talk with N Korea is fine, but we need to be treating them as any other state and engage
    in diplomacy as well. There's not much new in threats, name calling and other attempts to
    humiliate.
    e. we need to respect the sovereignty of other countries - period.
    f. if Saudi Arabia wants to take on foes in the region that's their choice, the same applies to
    Israel.

    4. The US first means, the US first. I get that we want order on the globe, but if we are going to the heavy lifting -- we had better get more buck for our bang. Note -- I din't think the world is collapsing around us -- but we are certainly making it look that way.

    5. I took seriously tat he intended to challenge this crazy idea that christians should be serving or in any way attending to ceremonies in which same sex practitioners - given scripture, there's no way should be forced into any such situation--

    6. I expected the impossible -- no government money spent in murdering children in the womb.

    That's a snippet of why I voted for Pres Trump.

    No. What made him popular was that he represented what most people in the country have been saying for a while --

    -- a toned down foreign policy -- avoid unnecessary wars/conflicts
    -- take on the establishments -- social polity on steroids --
    -- let's reassess our own Domestic economic policy focusing on getting people back to work
    -- challenge the government waste , fraud and abuse
    -- not bankroll the gutting of US business as they ship employment overseas or import cheap labor
    here.
    -- he expressed the frustrations of millions of voters.

    Now I would be the last to brag about his performance thus far ---But those are the reasons I voted.

    Note: I don't mind a harsh response response. I would prefer to avoid false comments about my gender, communist aspirations, faith, etc. I make no apologies for being a conservative and no amount of personal attack is going to shift my positions. Celibacy is not an identity crisis

    A number of the reasons you listed are the same reasons I never embraced the conservative dogma,it reminds me of something a fellow told me once about conservatives,he said a good conservative goes to church on Sunday to show the community what a good christian he is, then steals the collection plate on his way out to pay for his time…

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  79. trixie says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Nobody will deliberately start nuclear war, but the probability that it might start as the result of series of mistakes has increased. The US and its vassals (including other NATO countries) moved NATO troops close to Russian borders, destabilized Ukraine, Syria, cooked up “Russiagate” (which is really an FBI-gate, but sore losers would not admit it) to justify further increases in Pentagon budget (a trough where very fat pigs feed). The Empire is afraid of losing its position, but shortsighted elites do everything to accelerate its demise. The main danger is that in its death throes the Empire will start a war, although we can only hope that even degenerate US elites understand that dead people cannot benefit by their wealth. Hope springs eternal.

    Nobody will deliberately start nuclear war, but the probability that it might start as the result of series of mistakes has increased.

    That’s how they operate.

    Look at the conditions surrounding the nebulous launch of the Great War (WWI).
    Look at the convoluted state of affairs that led up to the start of hostilities of WWII.

    In both cases instabilities were created, all over the place, which could result in an ‘accident‘ starting a world war!
    As if it was nobody’s fault.

    Well, nobody is alive, well, and active all over the place, creating havoc, setting up tinderboxes and leaving matches all over the place for the 200 lbs. orangutan, and others, infantilized by their own absurdly over-inflated egos, to play with!

    Nobody certainly would start a nuclear WWIII… if the money was right.
    Nobody is running the empire.

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    Anon from TN
    You might have a point. My hope is that nobody running the Empire remembers that s/he and his/her fellows have to be alive to enjoy that right price. However, the US elites appear to be so deluded and out of touch with reality that anything can happen. Right now the humanity still exists because both Putin and Xi are amazingly sane, patient, and levelheaded bastards. When they are gone, all bets are off. Let’s hope the Empire crashes before that. Current American policies speed up that crash more than all American enemies put together. It is a sad fact for someone living in the US, but there is silver lining behind that cloud.
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  80. trixie says:
    @Kiza
    I agree.

    Now let us take a science fiction approach for just a moment. According to the calculation by the relevant scientists there should be at least 100 billion developed civilisations in the Universe. Because of so many, at least a few of them must have achieved the extreme level of development which would have allowed them to circumvent the Theory of Relativity and travel throughout the Universe. Now imagine these travelers coming across the planet Earth. They have a quick look and what do they see? The planet has this wierd group of people called a US nation, which call themselves advanced, exceptional, unique and on a mission, but they suffer from a self-inflicted paranoid delusion they call Russiagate. So this “advanced” nation treathens all life on the little blue planet for the sake of fulfilling their lowest urges and delusions and for maintaining their comfy lives at the expense of everybody else on the planet.

    If you were an extra-terrestrial would you do anything else but quarantine/isolate the planet of the sufferers of the mad-human disease until they either destroy themselves or cure themselves of their delusional madness? What I am trying to say is that, despite all flashy US SF movie productions in which it is always some US person who establishes the First Contact, exactly US would be the reason why humanity could never join some intergalactic association of civilisations.

    Kiza, your comments are good, thank you.

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    Thanks trixie, I like your comments too, especially because you point out to all smart-Aleks claiming that elite is too rational to start a nuclear war that mistakes overrule rationality.
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  81. @Harold Smith
    "But as Mr. Shatz observes, the problems run much deeper than President Trump."

    This statement is misleading. One honest, generally morally competent man holding the ever-more-powerful office of president of the U.S., could fix many things.

    Unfortunately, Donald John Trump is not that man.

    Let's consider one example: Many people believe that a real investigation into 9/11 would destroy the "deep state". Dr. J. Leroy Hulsey et al. have recently completed a study of the "collapse" of WTC7, whereby they've proven that "fire" was not the cause of the "collapse" of that building. This finding directly contradicts the NIST report. For the first time in 16 years there is now incontrovertible scientific evidence in the public domain that 9/11 was an "inside job". Why won't Donald John Trump take advantage of this unprecedented opportunity and order an investigation?

    There is only one plausible explanation: I believe that Donald John Trump was the "deep state" candidate of choice in the 2016 election. I believe that's why they ran wild-eyed madwoman Hillary Clinton against him rather than the more electable Sanders. I believe that's why, in the early fall of 2016, as the election was coming into the home stretch, Obama started ramping up tensions with Russia; i.e., so as to nudge the disgruntled anti-war Democrats (Sanders supporters) into Trump's camp, swinging the election to him.

    I believe that Donald John Trump is a "deep cover" or "sleeper" agent that's been groomed and waiting in the wings for his masters' call. I believe that Donald John Trump was called to power in a desperate now or never moment to save the "deep state" (Zionist) agenda.

    Donald John Trump is a liar. Donald John Trump is a fraud. Donald John Trump is a con man. Donald John Trump is a mass-murderer.

    You are a radical hothead, But I still like you!

    “Why won’t Donald John Trump take advantage of this unprecedented opportunity and order an investigation?”

    WT7 is total proof that 9/11 was inside job. There is absolutely no doubt about it at least in my mind.

    But Trump ordering an investigation would mean that he bets everything. Including his own life.
    So why he would do that, particularly because he would loose.
    There are no witnesses. Bush certainly will not talk.
    Those who were enablers at airport will not talk. There will be no witnesses.
    There the trial would come down to arguing two groups of architects and structural engineers.
    No lawyers no judges and no public would or could understand and determine which side is right.

    So there is no chance that Trump would win.

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    Ilyana,

    I agree that a real investigation into the events of 9/11 is essential to any progress to be made politically in this country. But Trump is an insider in the world of big-money Manhattan real estate, and he surely has much to lose by getting involved in such a thing. The last time we had a mojor party candidate with any integrity at all might have been, possibly, Gore in 2000. He, after all, is a scion of an old-money aristocratic family from the South. That's where such a candidate would have to come from, but of course, what we see is identity politics plus neocon-ziocon-controlled mass media employed to destroy the last vestige of the aristocratic tradition in the South -- precisely because of that threat to Bushist Republican power. Early in the 2016 primaries, we saw our last hope disappear when the DNC with Hillary managed the candidates debate and were unbelievably rude in their mistreatment of former Senator Jim Webb, a Democrat who had been Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, and a decorated Vietnam War hero. I mean they went out of their way to destroy Webb's image and chances. Only Bernie Sanders treated Webb respectfully. And Webb should have been okay respecting diversity and inclusion, considering that his second wife is Vietnamese. In the world in which I grew up, Webb should have had an unstoppable, a perfect resume ... but the Democratic Party itself, they torpedoed Webb's candidacy. Go ahead, ask me how I felt when Hillary lost to Trump ... when the people threw her into the sh*tter, I wished I could have flushed it. And I am not even a Southerner, I'm a Yankee, born and bred.
    , @Harold Smith
    "But Trump ordering an investigation would mean that he bets everything. Including his own life.
    So why he would do that, particularly because he would loose."

    I disagree for several reasons. But if you are going to argue that point, I'm going to ask you: Why didn't the "deep state" already deploy a lone nut against him...even before the election took place? They couldn't afford to take the risk of letting an ostensibly sincere person anywhere near the levers of power, could they?

    Conversely, if Trump won't investigate 9/11 due to fear of assassination, why was he not afraid of running for president - on a platform of defiance to the deep state - in the first place? How do you get to have it both ways?

    Also, what good would it do to kill him after he already starts the ball rolling? For example, he could give a press conference and announce to the world that the paper by Hulsey et al. demands a new investigation, and he is ordering the U.S. atty. to begin an immediate investigation, or something like that.

    He's going to fire up the people by doing the right thing - something that could put an end to the "deep state" once and for all - and they're going to kill him THEN? By then it would already be too late.

    Finally, the "deep state", if left to pursue its agenda is going to kill off most of humanity anyway (including Trump and his family), so what does he have to lose? He can take a risk of dying by way of targeted lone nut or he can die by way of nuclear winter with the rest of us, either way he's dead anyway, so what does he have to lose?
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  82. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @trixie

    Nobody will deliberately start nuclear war, but the probability that it might start as the result of series of mistakes has increased.
     
    That's how they operate.

    Look at the conditions surrounding the nebulous launch of the Great War (WWI).
    Look at the convoluted state of affairs that led up to the start of hostilities of WWII.

    In both cases instabilities were created, all over the place, which could result in an 'accident' starting a world war!
    As if it was nobody's fault.

    Well, nobody is alive, well, and active all over the place, creating havoc, setting up tinderboxes and leaving matches all over the place for the 200 lbs. orangutan, and others, infantilized by their own absurdly over-inflated egos, to play with!

    Nobody certainly would start a nuclear WWIII... if the money was right.
    Nobody is running the empire.

    Anon from TN
    You might have a point. My hope is that nobody running the Empire remembers that s/he and his/her fellows have to be alive to enjoy that right price. However, the US elites appear to be so deluded and out of touch with reality that anything can happen. Right now the humanity still exists because both Putin and Xi are amazingly sane, patient, and levelheaded bastards. When they are gone, all bets are off. Let’s hope the Empire crashes before that. Current American policies speed up that crash more than all American enemies put together. It is a sad fact for someone living in the US, but there is silver lining behind that cloud.

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    Anon from TN, I am not at all certain that you have absorbed the full intended meaning in my comment.

    This method of inducing a war, is the same method that was used to incite The Great War (WWI) and WWII.

    It is IN PROGRESS now!

    A war is in the progress of being induced using the same approach as that which initiated WWI and WWII.
    The rapid and accelerating destabilization of the U.S.A. caused by the Trump presidency is a fuse that almost certainly will be ignited!

    "there is" NO "silver lining behind that cloud"!
     
    The nuclear collapse of the planet can ONLY be stopped by assertive and insistent action from the citizens; yet no one even knows what is going on!

    Spread the information around...
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  83. peterAUS says:
    @Beckow

    ...healthy undercurrent of rationality under all that visible madness. It’s just invisible most of the time. Doesn’t have an access to public space...
     
    See that's the key, no access, no visibility. It actually might not exist for all practical purposes. What you call 'noise' is the public face of the West today. It is not pretty, and most of it is definitely not rational.

    ...majority of normal people simply don’t get involved...Now why is that could be an interesting matter.
     
    Any system where majorities don't get involved is called a dictatorship, oligarchy or something along those lines. There were quite a few prosperous, easy-going oligarchies in the past, the bad 'oligarchic' name was earned only by a few outliers. So maybe we are just living in a standard version of a human society, nothing dramatic, the usual oligarchy-slash-indifference-leave-me-alone society. Most medieval peasants could relate, most of the time they were also left alone.

    See that’s the key, no access, no visibility. It actually might not exist for all practical purposes.

    Agree.

    So maybe we are just living in a standard version of a human society, nothing dramatic, the usual oligarchy-slash-indifference-leave-me-alone society. Most medieval peasants could relate, most of the time they were also left alone.

    Agree.

    The only problem is the invention and consequent stockpiling of nuclear weapons.

    The current state of affairs, before, always created conditions and then produced a spark for a decent war. No reason not to repeat that pattern.
    The problem with the pattern….nukes. M.A.D.

    And, although human nature appears to be the same education and, more important, means of communications, made big advance. So, even not so smart masses could “get together” and create an initiative to push the leadership in certain direction.

    What puzzles me, still, is that disinterest in all what, apparently, interest people commenting here, for example.
    It’s not even daily burden that prevents people from getting informed or involved….plenty of time for social media, sports, music etc….but not even trying to figure out what’s going on in, say, Syria, Ukraine, Iran and North Korea.

    And, the problem with new decent war….it can start in 2 hours.
    No need anymore for long mobilizations, deployments etc….forces required to start serious flareup on any of those places are already there.

    Doesn’t look optimistic and nobody cares.
    Maybe the weapon development simply overtook human nature. Time for reset.
    There are even theories that it wouldn’t be the first time on this planet.

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    Maybe the weapon development simply overtook human nature
     
    That's almost certainly the case. I think that the generation(s) that went through this post-WWII to 1989 were more thoughtful about nukes. Or maybe they were just generally smarter.

    I still don't think we will blow it up, not yet. Although statistically at some point in the 21st century one of the 20 or so countries that have nukes will likely use them. It might not be the end of us, but it will make life on earth much more miserable. But the miseries seem to be accumulating anyway, so one more might not make that much of a difference.

    The danger today and in the next 5-10 years is a West-Russia war that would quickly escalate into a limited, or not so limited, use of nukes. The screamers in the Western media are working overtime to make that nightmare more likely. We are relatively lucky that Russia today is run by sober and rational people, there are screamers there too, but they are not in power. That could change.

    It seems to me that US-Western policy is trying to corner Russia economically or is preparing its own population for a war with Russia. The way these people plan is based on an assumption that they are in control - they literally think that they are playing one-way chess. That Russia will not respond or escalate, or act irrationally. If we are lucky, that will be the case. But what if something changes? New leaders in Russia would almost certainly be more nationalistic and less rational. And everybody has a point of no return, what if West manages to cross that line and Russia reacts? We are playing with fire. For example a colour revolution in Belarus might be that red line. Or trying to mop up and exterminate the Donbass Russian population ('separatists'). Or sticking a Nato naval base in Tallin.

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  84. trixie says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    You might have a point. My hope is that nobody running the Empire remembers that s/he and his/her fellows have to be alive to enjoy that right price. However, the US elites appear to be so deluded and out of touch with reality that anything can happen. Right now the humanity still exists because both Putin and Xi are amazingly sane, patient, and levelheaded bastards. When they are gone, all bets are off. Let’s hope the Empire crashes before that. Current American policies speed up that crash more than all American enemies put together. It is a sad fact for someone living in the US, but there is silver lining behind that cloud.

    Anon from TN, I am not at all certain that you have absorbed the full intended meaning in my comment.

    This method of inducing a war, is the same method that was used to incite The Great War (WWI) and WWII.

    It is IN PROGRESS now!

    A war is in the progress of being induced using the same approach as that which initiated WWI and WWII.
    The rapid and accelerating destabilization of the U.S.A. caused by the Trump presidency is a fuse that almost certainly will be ignited!

    “there is” NO “silver lining behind that cloud”!

    The nuclear collapse of the planet can ONLY be stopped by assertive and insistent action from the citizens; yet no one even knows what is going on!

    Spread the information around…

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    Anon from TN
    I am fully aware that the same tricks that were used to start WWI and WWII are now played by the same unscrupulous elites to gain even more money and power by scaring the average Joe with evil Islamists, evil Iranians, evil Assad, evil Russians, evil Chinese, evil Mexicans, evil North Koreans, etc. I am also aware that the official narrative of the US government, parroted by all MSM in the US and its vassals, is total BS. However, this did not start with Trump. In fact, Clinton’s illegal bombing of Serbia and equally illegal tearing Kosovo from it without even a token referendum created precedent for all subsequent illegal US meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Ukraine, Syria, and so on. Many wars were started by Bush Jr and Obama, and not a single new war was started by Trump. His guilt is that he faithfully continues the polices of the war criminals that preceded him in the White House.
    Personally, I see two reasons for hope. One, as I stated, even degenerate elites we have now in the US likely understand that they need to be alive to enjoy their ill-gotten gains. Two, the stories told by current US propaganda (Democracy in Ukraine, Democracy in Syria, Russiagate, Un’s aggressiveness, etc) are so blatantly false that even an average Joe begins to suspect it. That’s the beginning of people turning from dumb munching cattle into citizens.
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  85. @Grandpa Charlie

    "Let me ask you this, why do we live in a giant perpetual war state fighting and not winning war after war after war? Because of the profit." -- Anonymous
     
    Well, you see, Anonymous, I am old enough to remember World War II -- which, it can be argued, was won by the USA, Also, all these wars after wars after wars that we don't win, those have all been "wars" that did not happen, and continue not to happen according to the Constitution. There was never a vote since World War II to declare a war. If we Americans would wake up and start voting against all those in Congress who enact such abominations as the War Powers Act -- that's most but not all members of Congress -- we would have none of these undeclared anti-constitutional and losing wars.

    As for war profits, as someone who remembers World War II, we had back then something called the "War Profiteering Act" under which billionaires found guilty could be sentenced to hard time for the crime of war profiteering. It's said that the reason J. Paul Getty stayed out of the USA for so long is that he was waiting for the statute of limitations to run on the War Profiteering Act -- and it's a fact that he returned to the USA within a year after the statute of limitations had run its course (20 years). I personally pleaded, every which way I could, for a War Profiteering Act during the Iraq War. Didn't you?

    “If we Americans would wake up and start voting against all those in Congress who enact such abominations as the War Powers Act — that’s most but not all members of Congress — we would have none of these undeclared anti-constitutional and losing wars.”

    That’s one theory, I suppose. It is, however, based upon the belief that elections are decided by voting. That is a theory in itself, one which looks more dubious as I get older. It seems much more likely to me that election outcomes are predetermined and that vote totals are fabricated to fit the desired result.

    When there are only two parties, and those two parties seem always to be on the same page of every issue, it’s easy for me to assume that the leadership of those parties are meeting to discuss election outcomes in advance of the voting. Having the electoral circus in place to give the victims of government the illusion that they are choosing the people who rob them and enslave them works as well as putting a little steering wheel on a baby’s car seat.

    It keeps the baby occupied while the driver is steering the car to where he wants to go, whether the baby wants to go there or not.

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    “If we Americans would wake up and start voting against all those in Congress who enact such abominations as the War Powers Act — that’s most but not all members of Congress — we would have none of these undeclared anti-constitutional and losing wars.” [Grandpa Charlie]

    That’s one theory, I suppose. It is, however, based upon the belief that elections are decided by voting. That is a theory in itself, one which looks more dubious as I get older. It seems much more likely to me that election outcomes are predetermined and that vote totals are fabricated to fit the desired result.

    When there are only two parties, and those two parties seem always to be on the same page of every issue, it’s easy for me to assume that the leadership of those parties are meeting to discuss election outcomes in advance of the voting. Having the electoral circus in place to give the victims of government the illusion that they are choosing the people who rob them and enslave them works as well as putting a little steering wheel on a baby’s car seat.

    -- Twodees Partain
     
    Yes, these are all theories, but my theory which centers around phenomena of the War Powers Act isn't based on belief that elections are decided by voting. I presume that you are getting at the insight that was famously expressed by Stalin when he said he cared not at all how the people voted, what Stalin wanted to know was who counted the votes. That's pretty obvious and, actually, there's been lots of research into that in this country, especially concerning computer tallying. But when I think about voting -- if I vote or when I vote or if I don't vote --I want to know if voting can or does have any effect at all. My answer to that question isn't categorical and it varies by both time and place. Generally, if I vote or if I don't vote, it isn't to advance any illusion about government here in USA: it may have something to do with that kind of thing, or it may not. ( think of elections as just one sub-component in an enormously complex system.) The main difference between me and you is that I haven't made up my mind and formed a prejudice (a "pre-judgment") about voting. Meanwhile, voting costs me essentially nothing, so ...

    But I like your analogy of the baby in the driver's seat. Very clever.

    BTW: I do not agree that the leaders of the two major parties secretly meet to discuss issues or decide much of anything. I think there's a lot of commo going on, and it all takes place through a very complex kind of 'matrix', for want of a better term (at least right at this moment). Also, I don't think the electoral circus occurs because the powers that be "order" it to continue so as to foster a delusional system among the people. Yes, they do want to promote some kind of delusional system, but I think that the PTB are just as much enthralled by the, or a related, delusional system as are we the masses. I think social reality is much more fluid than you seem to think, and I don't give the arrogant rich classes credit for having anywheres near the intelligence and insight that you (and they) do. Nor do I suppose that the rich are all arrogant or all united in any delusional or other belief system -- although many or most of them probably are.

    In general, I have recently become convinced by the article by C. J. Hopkins, titled "The War on Dissent" and published currently here at Unz. I refer you to that article if you want to know how I am thinking about politics these days.
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  86. @EliteCommInc.
    Let me tell you why I voted for Pres trump.


    1. I support limiting immigration -- and supporting it for me means, we should have closed the borders for five years after 9/11. DACA should never had been shoved down the road -- this executives passing the buck -- deeply disappointing.

    The events of 9/11 were in no small part immigration enforcement failures.

    2. I fully expected him to tackle trade policy.

    3. We need to examine our military forward leaning posture, so that we are not over extended materially, financially and via our manpower
    a. I think there are valid reasons to be concerned about Iran -- but we have no case for regime
    change
    b. we need to get out of Syria
    c. we either should engage in full scale war in Afghanistan or get out - it was a mistake to get in
    the first place -- we needed twenty and went after millions -- unwise.
    d. tough talk with N Korea is fine, but we need to be treating them as any other state and engage
    in diplomacy as well. There's not much new in threats, name calling and other attempts to
    humiliate.
    e. we need to respect the sovereignty of other countries - period.
    f. if Saudi Arabia wants to take on foes in the region that's their choice, the same applies to
    Israel.

    4. The US first means, the US first. I get that we want order on the globe, but if we are going to the heavy lifting -- we had better get more buck for our bang. Note -- I din't think the world is collapsing around us -- but we are certainly making it look that way.

    5. I took seriously tat he intended to challenge this crazy idea that christians should be serving or in any way attending to ceremonies in which same sex practitioners - given scripture, there's no way should be forced into any such situation--

    6. I expected the impossible -- no government money spent in murdering children in the womb.

    That's a snippet of why I voted for Pres Trump.

    No. What made him popular was that he represented what most people in the country have been saying for a while --

    -- a toned down foreign policy -- avoid unnecessary wars/conflicts
    -- take on the establishments -- social polity on steroids --
    -- let's reassess our own Domestic economic policy focusing on getting people back to work
    -- challenge the government waste , fraud and abuse
    -- not bankroll the gutting of US business as they ship employment overseas or import cheap labor
    here.
    -- he expressed the frustrations of millions of voters.

    Now I would be the last to brag about his performance thus far ---But those are the reasons I voted.

    Note: I don't mind a harsh response response. I would prefer to avoid false comments about my gender, communist aspirations, faith, etc. I make no apologies for being a conservative and no amount of personal attack is going to shift my positions. Celibacy is not an identity crisis

    I think you left out one reason:

    You voted because you believe that elections are decided by votes. I don’t believe any such thing, so I don’t bother with voting. I despise Hillary Clinton, but I knew that Trump would be president because it was the republicans’ turn at the presidency.

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    Hmmmmm,


    for the time being, I do that votes count. And I remain unconvinced that any of the republican candidates could have beaten Sec Clinton. Since they were all essentially on her page, the default position would have been --

    it's a woman's turn. But candidate Trump change that equation by essentially holding the entire pool to scrutiny as one cabal .

    Our republic is under fire, but its not dead yet.

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  87. Kiza says:
    @trixie
    Kiza, your comments are good, thank you.

    Thanks trixie, I like your comments too, especially because you point out to all smart-Aleks claiming that elite is too rational to start a nuclear war that mistakes overrule rationality.

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  88. @RobinG

    He was just taking inventory of the situation, pretty much objectively, which always stirs up all kinds of subjectively opinionated people — people with chips on their shoulders and not much of any importance to do.
     
    Superb observation.

    RobinG –

    Thank you!

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  89. @EliteCommInc.
    Let me tell you why I voted for Pres trump.


    1. I support limiting immigration -- and supporting it for me means, we should have closed the borders for five years after 9/11. DACA should never had been shoved down the road -- this executives passing the buck -- deeply disappointing.

    The events of 9/11 were in no small part immigration enforcement failures.

    2. I fully expected him to tackle trade policy.

    3. We need to examine our military forward leaning posture, so that we are not over extended materially, financially and via our manpower
    a. I think there are valid reasons to be concerned about Iran -- but we have no case for regime
    change
    b. we need to get out of Syria
    c. we either should engage in full scale war in Afghanistan or get out - it was a mistake to get in
    the first place -- we needed twenty and went after millions -- unwise.
    d. tough talk with N Korea is fine, but we need to be treating them as any other state and engage
    in diplomacy as well. There's not much new in threats, name calling and other attempts to
    humiliate.
    e. we need to respect the sovereignty of other countries - period.
    f. if Saudi Arabia wants to take on foes in the region that's their choice, the same applies to
    Israel.

    4. The US first means, the US first. I get that we want order on the globe, but if we are going to the heavy lifting -- we had better get more buck for our bang. Note -- I din't think the world is collapsing around us -- but we are certainly making it look that way.

    5. I took seriously tat he intended to challenge this crazy idea that christians should be serving or in any way attending to ceremonies in which same sex practitioners - given scripture, there's no way should be forced into any such situation--

    6. I expected the impossible -- no government money spent in murdering children in the womb.

    That's a snippet of why I voted for Pres Trump.

    No. What made him popular was that he represented what most people in the country have been saying for a while --

    -- a toned down foreign policy -- avoid unnecessary wars/conflicts
    -- take on the establishments -- social polity on steroids --
    -- let's reassess our own Domestic economic policy focusing on getting people back to work
    -- challenge the government waste , fraud and abuse
    -- not bankroll the gutting of US business as they ship employment overseas or import cheap labor
    here.
    -- he expressed the frustrations of millions of voters.

    Now I would be the last to brag about his performance thus far ---But those are the reasons I voted.

    Note: I don't mind a harsh response response. I would prefer to avoid false comments about my gender, communist aspirations, faith, etc. I make no apologies for being a conservative and no amount of personal attack is going to shift my positions. Celibacy is not an identity crisis

    ElitrComminc. –

    I more-or-less agree with many of your points about the 2016 election — but not all of them. About the so-called pro-life agenda, I think that — while I agree that celibacy is a real and a great alternative and should be part of any rational thinking about life — still I understand that at present we have a real over-population problem globally. So, I am opposed to any black-and-white thinking about birth control, since it’s unrealistic to apply absolutist (black-and-white) ethics to biology, where it’s all shades of gray. So if you are a moral absolutist, I am a moral relativist … and we just have to agree to disagree … unless we can arrange a duel to the death somewhere. I would argue that overpopulation is such that we ell end up engaged in duels to the death anyway …

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    First, my comment about celibacy is in reference to me --- All comments after Note: were about me however,

    second, I am an advocate of celibacy for single people and if they are unable yo control themselves -- there's no reason for a woman in this day to get pregnant of she doesn't want to do so.

    The world is not over populated. There may be cities that are over populated, but the Earth itself has more than enough resources to sustain the current population levels.

    Third, there;'s very little shades of great as to human biology. And the few that exist are manageable and have been since ancient times. Humans create other humans -- that human development begins at conception and end at death usually some 60 years plus dependent on certain variables. Pregnancy is not a moral question -- and there is nothing relativist about getting pregnant. it's biology and decision making. Want to avoid getting pregnant -- abstain or use prevention -- not complicated and certainly available. It is not physics or rocket science.

    As for over population --- distribution management Some locations do not the planet over populated make.
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  90. @yurivku
    I'm too sleepy Sergei, it's a midnight here now, I'll answer later, but me personally ready to put the end of this f## n story. If I was a man near the nuk button I could press it. Just tired

    That’s what reading too much written in our times can lead to. Thankfully the button is far away.
    I hope you feel better now. Утро вечера мудренее :)

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  91. @yurivku

    which, it can be argued, was won by the USA,
     
    Your memory failed, it us Russia/USSR who put 30 millions of lives to a victory and won. You as always were getting profit of it.

    Looks like every Russian immediately gets allergic reaction towards this. They have been conditioned and it is in their national psych. Already in 1977 they called 20 series movie Unknown war. This guy claims he still remembers the war, which means he must be of pretty advanced age and yet I have no idea what he smokes even stating US won WW2. Is there single major land battle won by US military in Europe? KIA- killed in action of Germans by US forces statistics vs Soviet one and losses inflicted. Everything points towards USSR, but they as usually ignore facts. They ignorance and arrogance is on genetic level.

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    They behave the same in Syria now. This way thinking of Americans is a main reason for the world,'s problems. And they still consider US to be the center of the world and others just shitholes. Actually it is just opposite and this is main thig for them to understand
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  92. Beckow says:
    @peterAUS

    See that’s the key, no access, no visibility. It actually might not exist for all practical purposes.
     
    Agree.

    So maybe we are just living in a standard version of a human society, nothing dramatic, the usual oligarchy-slash-indifference-leave-me-alone society. Most medieval peasants could relate, most of the time they were also left alone.
     
    Agree.

    The only problem is the invention and consequent stockpiling of nuclear weapons.

    The current state of affairs, before, always created conditions and then produced a spark for a decent war. No reason not to repeat that pattern.
    The problem with the pattern....nukes. M.A.D.

    And, although human nature appears to be the same education and, more important, means of communications, made big advance. So, even not so smart masses could "get together" and create an initiative to push the leadership in certain direction.

    What puzzles me, still, is that disinterest in all what, apparently, interest people commenting here, for example.
    It's not even daily burden that prevents people from getting informed or involved....plenty of time for social media, sports, music etc....but not even trying to figure out what's going on in, say, Syria, Ukraine, Iran and North Korea.

    And, the problem with new decent war....it can start in 2 hours.
    No need anymore for long mobilizations, deployments etc....forces required to start serious flareup on any of those places are already there.

    Doesn't look optimistic and nobody cares.
    Maybe the weapon development simply overtook human nature. Time for reset.
    There are even theories that it wouldn't be the first time on this planet.

    Maybe the weapon development simply overtook human nature

    That’s almost certainly the case. I think that the generation(s) that went through this post-WWII to 1989 were more thoughtful about nukes. Or maybe they were just generally smarter.

    I still don’t think we will blow it up, not yet. Although statistically at some point in the 21st century one of the 20 or so countries that have nukes will likely use them. It might not be the end of us, but it will make life on earth much more miserable. But the miseries seem to be accumulating anyway, so one more might not make that much of a difference.

    The danger today and in the next 5-10 years is a West-Russia war that would quickly escalate into a limited, or not so limited, use of nukes. The screamers in the Western media are working overtime to make that nightmare more likely. We are relatively lucky that Russia today is run by sober and rational people, there are screamers there too, but they are not in power. That could change.

    It seems to me that US-Western policy is trying to corner Russia economically or is preparing its own population for a war with Russia. The way these people plan is based on an assumption that they are in control – they literally think that they are playing one-way chess. That Russia will not respond or escalate, or act irrationally. If we are lucky, that will be the case. But what if something changes? New leaders in Russia would almost certainly be more nationalistic and less rational. And everybody has a point of no return, what if West manages to cross that line and Russia reacts? We are playing with fire. For example a colour revolution in Belarus might be that red line. Or trying to mop up and exterminate the Donbass Russian population (‘separatists’). Or sticking a Nato naval base in Tallin.

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    It seems to me that US-Western policy is trying to corner Russia economically or is preparing its own population for a war with Russia. The way these people plan is based on an assumption that they are in control – they literally think that they are playing one-way chess. That Russia will not respond or escalate, or act irrationally. If we are lucky, that will be the case. But what if something changes?
     
    This is worth restating. There's a basic arrogance and casual risk taking in US actions that is hard to understand. The American people don't want this trouble. It's why they voted for Trump, and most of them would be pressed to show you Iraq or Syria on a map, much less care about what happens there.

    The arrogance and casual risk taking are probably explained by the fact that the US (its wealth and its people) are really just an expendable tool to further the interests of Israel and the US Jewish elite. The simple fact is that Israel alone doesn't have the power to take on Iran and Russia, and even if it did, it would be far preferable for their captive American giant to do the fighting, and who cares if millions of goyim are killed and the US bankrupted in the process?

    There's no doubt that the US is Israel's Nº1 asset and they plan to use it to the maximum to further Israel's geopolitical ambitions.
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  93. @Twodees Partain
    "If we Americans would wake up and start voting against all those in Congress who enact such abominations as the War Powers Act — that’s most but not all members of Congress — we would have none of these undeclared anti-constitutional and losing wars."

    That's one theory, I suppose. It is, however, based upon the belief that elections are decided by voting. That is a theory in itself, one which looks more dubious as I get older. It seems much more likely to me that election outcomes are predetermined and that vote totals are fabricated to fit the desired result.

    When there are only two parties, and those two parties seem always to be on the same page of every issue, it's easy for me to assume that the leadership of those parties are meeting to discuss election outcomes in advance of the voting. Having the electoral circus in place to give the victims of government the illusion that they are choosing the people who rob them and enslave them works as well as putting a little steering wheel on a baby's car seat.

    It keeps the baby occupied while the driver is steering the car to where he wants to go, whether the baby wants to go there or not.

    “If we Americans would wake up and start voting against all those in Congress who enact such abominations as the War Powers Act — that’s most but not all members of Congress — we would have none of these undeclared anti-constitutional and losing wars.” [Grandpa Charlie]

    That’s one theory, I suppose. It is, however, based upon the belief that elections are decided by voting. That is a theory in itself, one which looks more dubious as I get older. It seems much more likely to me that election outcomes are predetermined and that vote totals are fabricated to fit the desired result.

    When there are only two parties, and those two parties seem always to be on the same page of every issue, it’s easy for me to assume that the leadership of those parties are meeting to discuss election outcomes in advance of the voting. Having the electoral circus in place to give the victims of government the illusion that they are choosing the people who rob them and enslave them works as well as putting a little steering wheel on a baby’s car seat.

    – Twodees Partain

    Yes, these are all theories, but my theory which centers around phenomena of the War Powers Act isn’t based on belief that elections are decided by voting. I presume that you are getting at the insight that was famously expressed by Stalin when he said he cared not at all how the people voted, what Stalin wanted to know was who counted the votes. That’s pretty obvious and, actually, there’s been lots of research into that in this country, especially concerning computer tallying. But when I think about voting — if I vote or when I vote or if I don’t vote –I want to know if voting can or does have any effect at all. My answer to that question isn’t categorical and it varies by both time and place. Generally, if I vote or if I don’t vote, it isn’t to advance any illusion about government here in USA: it may have something to do with that kind of thing, or it may not. ( think of elections as just one sub-component in an enormously complex system.) The main difference between me and you is that I haven’t made up my mind and formed a prejudice (a “pre-judgment”) about voting. Meanwhile, voting costs me essentially nothing, so …

    But I like your analogy of the baby in the driver’s seat. Very clever.

    BTW: I do not agree that the leaders of the two major parties secretly meet to discuss issues or decide much of anything. I think there’s a lot of commo going on, and it all takes place through a very complex kind of ‘matrix’, for want of a better term (at least right at this moment). Also, I don’t think the electoral circus occurs because the powers that be “order” it to continue so as to foster a delusional system among the people. Yes, they do want to promote some kind of delusional system, but I think that the PTB are just as much enthralled by the, or a related, delusional system as are we the masses. I think social reality is much more fluid than you seem to think, and I don’t give the arrogant rich classes credit for having anywheres near the intelligence and insight that you (and they) do. Nor do I suppose that the rich are all arrogant or all united in any delusional or other belief system — although many or most of them probably are.

    In general, I have recently become convinced by the article by C. J. Hopkins, titled “The War on Dissent” and published currently here at Unz. I refer you to that article if you want to know how I am thinking about politics these days.

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    "I don’t give the arrogant rich classes credit for having anywheres near the intelligence and insight that you (and they) do. "

    Nice try at diversion, Charlie, but I never said any such thing. The current government obviously consists of two barely distinguishable parties and these two parties have absolute control of the electoral process. These two parties have automatic ballot access while any upstart party has to expend resources on a large scale in order to gain ballot access every time they enter candidates.

    The two parties also control the tallying of votes and the reporting of results. Look at what was done with the electoral records of the recent special election for US Senate in Alabama.

    https://gizmodo.com/alabama-supreme-court-okays-destruction-of-digital-voti-1821223685

    I don't give the people who have control over the process any credit for intelligence or insight. They obviously have neither to any significant degree. What they have is control over a system they inherited. I'm of the opinion that the desire to control other people is evil, and evil is always vapid, and even stupid in many ways. Look at the politicians who seem to have lifetime positions in government. None are really intelligent at all, though they may exhibit a certain low, animal cunning.
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  94. N. J. says:

    Re: Bombarbier-Airbus ”deal” signed in N-Ireland and supported by the Canadian and Quebec governments (i.e. by the British and Franco-German bankers).

    Will the US-NATO now try to use the ”French connection” and the 12 new military bases in Europe to try again for IRAN? The planes will be assembled in Alabama.

    Why did the RCMP botched the investigation of Inslaw?

    Why does the British colony, Canada supported the coup in Ukraine, and constantly lies on the ”rebels” it arms and promotes with its CBC-RadioCanada in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, etc?

    “Taking Down” British Officials

    Israel conspires against the Mother of Parliaments

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/taking-down-british-officials/

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    Every countries leaders including allies must toe US line. Those refuse are the axis of evil, dictator, murderers, commie, WMD, little Rocket man, whatever, just put on target list, changed or killed.. Either you are with ass, or against ass.
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  95. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    You are a radical hothead, But I still like you!

    "Why won’t Donald John Trump take advantage of this unprecedented opportunity and order an investigation?"

    WT7 is total proof that 9/11 was inside job. There is absolutely no doubt about it at least in my mind.

    But Trump ordering an investigation would mean that he bets everything. Including his own life.
    So why he would do that, particularly because he would loose.
    There are no witnesses. Bush certainly will not talk.
    Those who were enablers at airport will not talk. There will be no witnesses.
    There the trial would come down to arguing two groups of architects and structural engineers.
    No lawyers no judges and no public would or could understand and determine which side is right.

    So there is no chance that Trump would win.

    Ilyana,

    I agree that a real investigation into the events of 9/11 is essential to any progress to be made politically in this country. But Trump is an insider in the world of big-money Manhattan real estate, and he surely has much to lose by getting involved in such a thing. The last time we had a mojor party candidate with any integrity at all might have been, possibly, Gore in 2000. He, after all, is a scion of an old-money aristocratic family from the South. That’s where such a candidate would have to come from, but of course, what we see is identity politics plus neocon-ziocon-controlled mass media employed to destroy the last vestige of the aristocratic tradition in the South — precisely because of that threat to Bushist Republican power. Early in the 2016 primaries, we saw our last hope disappear when the DNC with Hillary managed the candidates debate and were unbelievably rude in their mistreatment of former Senator Jim Webb, a Democrat who had been Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, and a decorated Vietnam War hero. I mean they went out of their way to destroy Webb’s image and chances. Only Bernie Sanders treated Webb respectfully. And Webb should have been okay respecting diversity and inclusion, considering that his second wife is Vietnamese. In the world in which I grew up, Webb should have had an unstoppable, a perfect resume … but the Democratic Party itself, they torpedoed Webb’s candidacy. Go ahead, ask me how I felt when Hillary lost to Trump … when the people threw her into the sh*tter, I wished I could have flushed it. And I am not even a Southerner, I’m a Yankee, born and bred.

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  96. @bluedog
    Oh come now grandpa show me where Trump is any different than Bush or Obama was,singing the same tune on a different day,more weapons for the Ukraine, who can't even pay their debts,more weapons for the terrorist in Syria,trying to steal part of Syria for yet another outpost of the empire,another $1.7 trillion added to the debt while he mouth's I have a plan, another $1.7 trillion for infranstucture while the federal debt heads for the moon,a hugh tax cut for himself and the 1% he represents.Nope sorry charlie but just another day in fascist America while people bleat "he was the lessor of the two evils" but the question remains is just why in hell you voted for evil, for you did have the choice of staying home saying I want no part of evil,for you see America died in 1963 in a place called Dallas,Tex........

    bluedog,

    Trump administration is different from Obama only in that it cut by 50% the number of immigrants who entered USA, compared with the last year of Obama. Otherwise it was all bait and switch, and I never said anything other than that, not since Trump came into office and started his sell-out of his campaign promises. Plus, it was worth something, in terms of future possibilities, to see Hillary tossed out. Plus, along with destroying the Democrats’ multiculturalism and identity politics, Bush also way back in the Republican debates gave the lie to the media neocon-ziocon myth that there was any basis to the idea that the Bush family has any popular support in America whatsoever … that being when he dissed Jeb like an old throw-away rag.

    But I agree with you that “America died in 1963 in a place called Dallas,Tex…”

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  97. @Grandpa Charlie

    “If we Americans would wake up and start voting against all those in Congress who enact such abominations as the War Powers Act — that’s most but not all members of Congress — we would have none of these undeclared anti-constitutional and losing wars.” [Grandpa Charlie]

    That’s one theory, I suppose. It is, however, based upon the belief that elections are decided by voting. That is a theory in itself, one which looks more dubious as I get older. It seems much more likely to me that election outcomes are predetermined and that vote totals are fabricated to fit the desired result.

    When there are only two parties, and those two parties seem always to be on the same page of every issue, it’s easy for me to assume that the leadership of those parties are meeting to discuss election outcomes in advance of the voting. Having the electoral circus in place to give the victims of government the illusion that they are choosing the people who rob them and enslave them works as well as putting a little steering wheel on a baby’s car seat.

    -- Twodees Partain
     
    Yes, these are all theories, but my theory which centers around phenomena of the War Powers Act isn't based on belief that elections are decided by voting. I presume that you are getting at the insight that was famously expressed by Stalin when he said he cared not at all how the people voted, what Stalin wanted to know was who counted the votes. That's pretty obvious and, actually, there's been lots of research into that in this country, especially concerning computer tallying. But when I think about voting -- if I vote or when I vote or if I don't vote --I want to know if voting can or does have any effect at all. My answer to that question isn't categorical and it varies by both time and place. Generally, if I vote or if I don't vote, it isn't to advance any illusion about government here in USA: it may have something to do with that kind of thing, or it may not. ( think of elections as just one sub-component in an enormously complex system.) The main difference between me and you is that I haven't made up my mind and formed a prejudice (a "pre-judgment") about voting. Meanwhile, voting costs me essentially nothing, so ...

    But I like your analogy of the baby in the driver's seat. Very clever.

    BTW: I do not agree that the leaders of the two major parties secretly meet to discuss issues or decide much of anything. I think there's a lot of commo going on, and it all takes place through a very complex kind of 'matrix', for want of a better term (at least right at this moment). Also, I don't think the electoral circus occurs because the powers that be "order" it to continue so as to foster a delusional system among the people. Yes, they do want to promote some kind of delusional system, but I think that the PTB are just as much enthralled by the, or a related, delusional system as are we the masses. I think social reality is much more fluid than you seem to think, and I don't give the arrogant rich classes credit for having anywheres near the intelligence and insight that you (and they) do. Nor do I suppose that the rich are all arrogant or all united in any delusional or other belief system -- although many or most of them probably are.

    In general, I have recently become convinced by the article by C. J. Hopkins, titled "The War on Dissent" and published currently here at Unz. I refer you to that article if you want to know how I am thinking about politics these days.

    “I don’t give the arrogant rich classes credit for having anywheres near the intelligence and insight that you (and they) do. ”

    Nice try at diversion, Charlie, but I never said any such thing. The current government obviously consists of two barely distinguishable parties and these two parties have absolute control of the electoral process. These two parties have automatic ballot access while any upstart party has to expend resources on a large scale in order to gain ballot access every time they enter candidates.

    The two parties also control the tallying of votes and the reporting of results. Look at what was done with the electoral records of the recent special election for US Senate in Alabama.

    https://gizmodo.com/alabama-supreme-court-okays-destruction-of-digital-voti-1821223685

    I don’t give the people who have control over the process any credit for intelligence or insight. They obviously have neither to any significant degree. What they have is control over a system they inherited. I’m of the opinion that the desire to control other people is evil, and evil is always vapid, and even stupid in many ways. Look at the politicians who seem to have lifetime positions in government. None are really intelligent at all, though they may exhibit a certain low, animal cunning.

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  98. @yurivku

    which, it can be argued, was won by the USA,
     
    Your memory failed, it us Russia/USSR who put 30 millions of lives to a victory and won. You as always were getting profit of it.

    “Your memory failed, it us Russia/USSR who put 30 millions of lives to a victory and won. You as always were getting profit of it.” — yurivku

    You’re twisting my words. What I said in response to someone who was complaining about war after war after war and none of them victories … what I said is that going back to World War II, that was a war that arguably could be said to be a war that USA won, meaning USA was on the winning side. That in no way indicates that it was won without partnership of Russia (and UK). You don’t need to put words in my mouth, I talk enough as it is!

    And anyway, look, Russia (or the USSR) got even with USA when entering the war in Asia for a few days, after we had been fighting many stiff battles in the Pacific throughout all of 1942, 1943 and 1944 and into 1945! Maybe Americans need an education about the European war, but you might need an education into the war in the Pacific. And don’t try to claim that there was no Soviet propaganda to the effect that Soviet troops played a much greater role than they really did in Manchuria. I’ve seen the Soviet propaganda films.

    So let’s call it even, and let’s go back to those war days and remember that we — Americans and Russians — we were allies. And the Allies won the war!

    Of course, it was all somewhat soured by old uncle Ioe.

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    If it was soured by anyone I would put it right at the feet of Truman and Churchill,Truman for using the nuclear bomb on Japan to show Russia our new toy,which he used as a club in all future dealings, and Churchill who always hated the Russians and want to attack them at the end of the war,but saner heads prevailed...
    , @yurivku
    Don't talk to me of Soviet propaganda. Talk better of your fake news agencies and your propaganda. Speak about fool zoo of US imbeciles like bushes, clintons, obama, trump ... Actually Soviet propaganda was right abou West, and we got this lesson, we'll never believe to West and especially US. All Us can win it's bomb peasful countries like Serbia, and you can be sure we'll never forget and never forgive it. You also can destroy peasfull cities with nuklear bombs like you did in Japan. And yes we got it now, now most Russians hate you, I mean the country. If during Vietnam war there were demonstrations agains war, but now seems that you like it. Got should not help you, God should hel us, the sane part of the world
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  99. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @trixie
    Anon from TN, I am not at all certain that you have absorbed the full intended meaning in my comment.

    This method of inducing a war, is the same method that was used to incite The Great War (WWI) and WWII.

    It is IN PROGRESS now!

    A war is in the progress of being induced using the same approach as that which initiated WWI and WWII.
    The rapid and accelerating destabilization of the U.S.A. caused by the Trump presidency is a fuse that almost certainly will be ignited!

    "there is" NO "silver lining behind that cloud"!
     
    The nuclear collapse of the planet can ONLY be stopped by assertive and insistent action from the citizens; yet no one even knows what is going on!

    Spread the information around...

    Anon from TN
    I am fully aware that the same tricks that were used to start WWI and WWII are now played by the same unscrupulous elites to gain even more money and power by scaring the average Joe with evil Islamists, evil Iranians, evil Assad, evil Russians, evil Chinese, evil Mexicans, evil North Koreans, etc. I am also aware that the official narrative of the US government, parroted by all MSM in the US and its vassals, is total BS. However, this did not start with Trump. In fact, Clinton’s illegal bombing of Serbia and equally illegal tearing Kosovo from it without even a token referendum created precedent for all subsequent illegal US meddling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Ukraine, Syria, and so on. Many wars were started by Bush Jr and Obama, and not a single new war was started by Trump. His guilt is that he faithfully continues the polices of the war criminals that preceded him in the White House.
    Personally, I see two reasons for hope. One, as I stated, even degenerate elites we have now in the US likely understand that they need to be alive to enjoy their ill-gotten gains. Two, the stories told by current US propaganda (Democracy in Ukraine, Democracy in Syria, Russiagate, Un’s aggressiveness, etc) are so blatantly false that even an average Joe begins to suspect it. That’s the beginning of people turning from dumb munching cattle into citizens.

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  100. bluedog says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    "Your memory failed, it us Russia/USSR who put 30 millions of lives to a victory and won. You as always were getting profit of it." -- yurivku
     
    You're twisting my words. What I said in response to someone who was complaining about war after war after war and none of them victories ... what I said is that going back to World War II, that was a war that arguably could be said to be a war that USA won, meaning USA was on the winning side. That in no way indicates that it was won without partnership of Russia (and UK). You don't need to put words in my mouth, I talk enough as it is!

    And anyway, look, Russia (or the USSR) got even with USA when entering the war in Asia for a few days, after we had been fighting many stiff battles in the Pacific throughout all of 1942, 1943 and 1944 and into 1945! Maybe Americans need an education about the European war, but you might need an education into the war in the Pacific. And don't try to claim that there was no Soviet propaganda to the effect that Soviet troops played a much greater role than they really did in Manchuria. I've seen the Soviet propaganda films.

    So let's call it even, and let's go back to those war days and remember that we -- Americans and Russians -- we were allies. And the Allies won the war!

    Of course, it was all somewhat soured by old uncle Ioe.

    If it was soured by anyone I would put it right at the feet of Truman and Churchill,Truman for using the nuclear bomb on Japan to show Russia our new toy,which he used as a club in all future dealings, and Churchill who always hated the Russians and want to attack them at the end of the war,but saner heads prevailed…

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    bluedog

    You seem to want to get this comment thread started up again, but it's run its course IMO. Thanks for your comments.
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  101. @Grandpa Charlie
    ElitrComminc. --

    I more-or-less agree with many of your points about the 2016 election -- but not all of them. About the so-called pro-life agenda, I think that -- while I agree that celibacy is a real and a great alternative and should be part of any rational thinking about life -- still I understand that at present we have a real over-population problem globally. So, I am opposed to any black-and-white thinking about birth control, since it's unrealistic to apply absolutist (black-and-white) ethics to biology, where it's all shades of gray. So if you are a moral absolutist, I am a moral relativist ... and we just have to agree to disagree ... unless we can arrange a duel to the death somewhere. I would argue that overpopulation is such that we ell end up engaged in duels to the death anyway ...

    First, my comment about celibacy is in reference to me — All comments after Note: were about me however,

    second, I am an advocate of celibacy for single people and if they are unable yo control themselves — there’s no reason for a woman in this day to get pregnant of she doesn’t want to do so.

    The world is not over populated. There may be cities that are over populated, but the Earth itself has more than enough resources to sustain the current population levels.

    Third, there;’s very little shades of great as to human biology. And the few that exist are manageable and have been since ancient times. Humans create other humans — that human development begins at conception and end at death usually some 60 years plus dependent on certain variables. Pregnancy is not a moral question — and there is nothing relativist about getting pregnant. it’s biology and decision making. Want to avoid getting pregnant — abstain or use prevention — not complicated and certainly available. It is not physics or rocket science.

    As for over population — distribution management Some locations do not the planet over populated make.

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    "The world is not over populated." -- EliteComminc.
     
    As noted already, on some issues we just have to agree to disagree.
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  102. @Twodees Partain
    I think you left out one reason:

    You voted because you believe that elections are decided by votes. I don't believe any such thing, so I don't bother with voting. I despise Hillary Clinton, but I knew that Trump would be president because it was the republicans' turn at the presidency.

    Hmmmmm,

    for the time being, I do that votes count. And I remain unconvinced that any of the republican candidates could have beaten Sec Clinton. Since they were all essentially on her page, the default position would have been –

    it’s a woman’s turn. But candidate Trump change that equation by essentially holding the entire pool to scrutiny as one cabal .

    Our republic is under fire, but its not dead yet.

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    Yes, I agree that it ain't quite dead yet. It is in mortal danger though, at the very least, IMO.
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  103. Beckow says:
    @Kiza
    What a maginificent article in a severe competition of great articles in the alternative media.

    Beckow, I do make sure that I never miss your comments on unz.com. I know I am repeating myself, but writing and commenting without at least a minimum dose of humour, no matter how serious the topic is, is a waste of electrons. At the moment the two authors (comments are a form of writing too) of Russian extraction I like the most are Dmitry Orlov and you. You even have too similar a writing style (almost tempted to think that you are one and the same person), here is an example from the latest Orlov:

    ...in spite of his intellectual limitations, Trump was quick to realize that he would be thwarted at every turn. His immigration initiatives could be shut down by a single politicized judge. The military-industrial complex would sabotage his every effort to end money-wasting weapons programs like the F-35 or pointless foreign occupations like Syria and Afghanistan. Members of his own party negated his efforts to end Obamacare before it implodes. Improved relations with Russia were made impossible by endless evidence-free accusations of Russian meddling. The token victory he has scored is in pushing through some sort of tax reform, but this was only possible because all kleptocrats everywhere can always reliably agree that more money for them is a good thing and that the inevitability of national bankruptcy is not a topic worthy of discussion. And so Trump decided to embrace a strategy of maximum offense, using Twitter and other public relations means at his disposal. He is, at this point, a swinging wrecking ball—an orange one...
     
    Therefore, the secret formula of good writing appears to be deep insight combined with colourful metaphors and light humour. My apology for typing this off topic.

    Thanks for the kind words, but I am not in any way connected to Russia or Russians. I am a Slovak, or some days, Czechoslovak. We generally don’t take things too seriously, thus the light humour. I sometimes think it is a mistake, a form of escapism, that it makes us less serious. But it is in our DNA.

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    Thanks for the clarification. Then perhaps on the days when you feel Czechoslovak you write in the good old tradition of Hašek's The Good Soldier Švejk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good_Soldier_%C5%A0vejk

    Yes, I also sometimes feel unease about employing humor for the situations where some people are dying, in some typical US or Israeli aggression. But, making fun of the powerful and conceited is a rare form of resistance available to ordinary people: hey, you do not scare me!

    Perhaps we learned this whilst laughing at Communism, from works such as Péter Bacsó's The Witness (1969 Hungarian film): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Witness_(1969_Hungarian_film). To this day in my life I never laughed more.

    , @jilles dykstra
    A Chech who escaped in 1968 worked for me.
    Can you explain to me his near hatred for Slovaks 'dumb farmers' ?
    At the time I was too taken aback, he was reasonable man with a Dutch university degree, to ask why he had such feelings.
    Cannot ask him any more, he died relatively young of cancer.
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  104. @EliteCommInc.
    First, my comment about celibacy is in reference to me --- All comments after Note: were about me however,

    second, I am an advocate of celibacy for single people and if they are unable yo control themselves -- there's no reason for a woman in this day to get pregnant of she doesn't want to do so.

    The world is not over populated. There may be cities that are over populated, but the Earth itself has more than enough resources to sustain the current population levels.

    Third, there;'s very little shades of great as to human biology. And the few that exist are manageable and have been since ancient times. Humans create other humans -- that human development begins at conception and end at death usually some 60 years plus dependent on certain variables. Pregnancy is not a moral question -- and there is nothing relativist about getting pregnant. it's biology and decision making. Want to avoid getting pregnant -- abstain or use prevention -- not complicated and certainly available. It is not physics or rocket science.

    As for over population --- distribution management Some locations do not the planet over populated make.

    “The world is not over populated.” — EliteComminc.

    As noted already, on some issues we just have to agree to disagree.

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    That usually goes without saying. but would generally expect that to be the conclusion following an airing of the issues: rational, data sets, etc.

    Laughing. But I don't mind shortcuts.
    , @jilles dykstra
    If you're prepared to eat insects, indeed not.
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  105. @bluedog
    If it was soured by anyone I would put it right at the feet of Truman and Churchill,Truman for using the nuclear bomb on Japan to show Russia our new toy,which he used as a club in all future dealings, and Churchill who always hated the Russians and want to attack them at the end of the war,but saner heads prevailed...

    bluedog

    You seem to want to get this comment thread started up again, but it’s run its course IMO. Thanks for your comments.

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    Not at all just a correction on who really started the cold war to end the conversation..
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  106. Miro23 says:
    @Beckow

    Maybe the weapon development simply overtook human nature
     
    That's almost certainly the case. I think that the generation(s) that went through this post-WWII to 1989 were more thoughtful about nukes. Or maybe they were just generally smarter.

    I still don't think we will blow it up, not yet. Although statistically at some point in the 21st century one of the 20 or so countries that have nukes will likely use them. It might not be the end of us, but it will make life on earth much more miserable. But the miseries seem to be accumulating anyway, so one more might not make that much of a difference.

    The danger today and in the next 5-10 years is a West-Russia war that would quickly escalate into a limited, or not so limited, use of nukes. The screamers in the Western media are working overtime to make that nightmare more likely. We are relatively lucky that Russia today is run by sober and rational people, there are screamers there too, but they are not in power. That could change.

    It seems to me that US-Western policy is trying to corner Russia economically or is preparing its own population for a war with Russia. The way these people plan is based on an assumption that they are in control - they literally think that they are playing one-way chess. That Russia will not respond or escalate, or act irrationally. If we are lucky, that will be the case. But what if something changes? New leaders in Russia would almost certainly be more nationalistic and less rational. And everybody has a point of no return, what if West manages to cross that line and Russia reacts? We are playing with fire. For example a colour revolution in Belarus might be that red line. Or trying to mop up and exterminate the Donbass Russian population ('separatists'). Or sticking a Nato naval base in Tallin.

    It seems to me that US-Western policy is trying to corner Russia economically or is preparing its own population for a war with Russia. The way these people plan is based on an assumption that they are in control – they literally think that they are playing one-way chess. That Russia will not respond or escalate, or act irrationally. If we are lucky, that will be the case. But what if something changes?

    This is worth restating. There’s a basic arrogance and casual risk taking in US actions that is hard to understand. The American people don’t want this trouble. It’s why they voted for Trump, and most of them would be pressed to show you Iraq or Syria on a map, much less care about what happens there.

    The arrogance and casual risk taking are probably explained by the fact that the US (its wealth and its people) are really just an expendable tool to further the interests of Israel and the US Jewish elite. The simple fact is that Israel alone doesn’t have the power to take on Iran and Russia, and even if it did, it would be far preferable for their captive American giant to do the fighting, and who cares if millions of goyim are killed and the US bankrupted in the process?

    There’s no doubt that the US is Israel’s Nº1 asset and they plan to use it to the maximum to further Israel’s geopolitical ambitions.

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    https://www.rt.com/news/417173-russia-sanctions-german-economy/

    https://www.rt.com/news/397719-austria-oppose-russia-sanctions-us/

    What our media do not tell us.

    , @Dave Bowman
    Bravo.
    , @Beckow

    Israel alone doesn’t have the power to take on Iran and Russia
     
    With Iran I agree, it seems an irrational obsession. But I have not seen much anti-Russia (direct) moves from Israel. If anything, they seem quite chummy. Sure, they were on opposite sides in Syria and Ukraine, but officially there isn't anything like US or EU hostility against Russia from Israel. They trade, visit, invest, etc...

    It is also hard to believe that Washington, London, Berlin or Brussels are not independent players. They are maybe used somewhat, but all of them have age-old agendas in both Middle East and Eastern Europe. Or France - they have been at the forefront of both the attack on Syria, and have enthusiastically poured oil on the Ukraine conflict. I would hold French accountable, the 'they were just puppets of Zionists' is too easy and it makes countries not responsible for what they do.

    My view is that if Berlin is messing with Ukraine, sending soldiers to the Russian border, inventing and forcing sanctions, it is their decision and ultimately German responsibility. Even blaming just Merkel is silly - it is the elite consensus among Germans, and the elites are presumably representing what Germans want, especially after a few relatively democratic electoral cycles. I know it hard to look into the mirror and see that it is actually the common people in those countries who are responsible, but it is closer to the truth than looking for reasons elsewhere.

    , @Kiza
    I have this image from Western movies of a cowboy trying the cross a desert and he survives but his horse dies in the process. The cowboy is Israel and the horse is the US. The US horse has been flogged too much (for money and blood) and it is close to expiring in financial fireworks. But if it does what will the cowboy/parasite do, where to find another host and quickly? Will the Arabs manage to unite and wipe off Israel from the map when the host/horse dies?

    I honestly cannot understand the parasite which kills its host, honestly! No use-in-moderation policy at all and they claim that they have the highest IQ.
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  107. @Grandpa Charlie

    "The world is not over populated." -- EliteComminc.
     
    As noted already, on some issues we just have to agree to disagree.

    That usually goes without saying. but would generally expect that to be the conclusion following an airing of the issues: rational, data sets, etc.

    Laughing. But I don’t mind shortcuts.

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  108. @Miro23

    It seems to me that US-Western policy is trying to corner Russia economically or is preparing its own population for a war with Russia. The way these people plan is based on an assumption that they are in control – they literally think that they are playing one-way chess. That Russia will not respond or escalate, or act irrationally. If we are lucky, that will be the case. But what if something changes?
     
    This is worth restating. There's a basic arrogance and casual risk taking in US actions that is hard to understand. The American people don't want this trouble. It's why they voted for Trump, and most of them would be pressed to show you Iraq or Syria on a map, much less care about what happens there.

    The arrogance and casual risk taking are probably explained by the fact that the US (its wealth and its people) are really just an expendable tool to further the interests of Israel and the US Jewish elite. The simple fact is that Israel alone doesn't have the power to take on Iran and Russia, and even if it did, it would be far preferable for their captive American giant to do the fighting, and who cares if millions of goyim are killed and the US bankrupted in the process?

    There's no doubt that the US is Israel's Nº1 asset and they plan to use it to the maximum to further Israel's geopolitical ambitions.
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  109. Kiza says:
    @Beckow
    Thanks for the kind words, but I am not in any way connected to Russia or Russians. I am a Slovak, or some days, Czechoslovak. We generally don't take things too seriously, thus the light humour. I sometimes think it is a mistake, a form of escapism, that it makes us less serious. But it is in our DNA.

    Thanks for the clarification. Then perhaps on the days when you feel Czechoslovak you write in the good old tradition of Hašek’s The Good Soldier Švejk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good_Soldier_%C5%A0vejk

    Yes, I also sometimes feel unease about employing humor for the situations where some people are dying, in some typical US or Israeli aggression. But, making fun of the powerful and conceited is a rare form of resistance available to ordinary people: hey, you do not scare me!

    Perhaps we learned this whilst laughing at Communism, from works such as Péter Bacsó’s The Witness (1969 Hungarian film): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Witness_(1969_Hungarian_film). To this day in my life I never laughed more.

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    There is a great scene at the beginning of The Good Soldier Svejk. At a pub in Prague a customer asks what happened to the portrait of the Habsburg Emperor that used to hang over the bar. The barman says that he had to move it because 'flies where sh..ing on it'. The customer finishes his beer, does some more small talk, and then as he gets up tells the barman 'ok, let's go'. And of they go to the police station with no drama or even discussion about the portrait. That is stoicism in action, only in Prague...
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  110. @Grandpa Charlie

    "The world is not over populated." -- EliteComminc.
     
    As noted already, on some issues we just have to agree to disagree.

    If you’re prepared to eat insects, indeed not.

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    Ohhhh good grief,

    insects are diets in some of the least populated areas on the planet . . .deserts, jungles, remote Islands, various mountain regions. Apparently even whites are known to have a bite or two.


    Casting the eating of insects as a last resort and a sign of desperation lending credence to the domms day scenarios is is funny, but hardly a sound rational

    https://blog.travefy.com/2014/10/tastes-like-chicken-5-insect-delicacies-will-gross/

    https://www.mapsofworld.com/travel/blog/travel-tips/5-restaurants-around-the-world-that-serve-insects-as-delicacies

    http://time.com/5036216/finland-bread-insects-crickets-hunger/


    Hunger around the world is largely a problem of food distribution and management, not a food shortage. Even in the US the fear mongering about food shortage is common. There are people bent on using fear to advance their agenda.

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/09/23/food-shortage-security.aspx

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/shortages-is-the-world-really-running-out-of-food-water-and-oil
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  111. @Beckow
    Thanks for the kind words, but I am not in any way connected to Russia or Russians. I am a Slovak, or some days, Czechoslovak. We generally don't take things too seriously, thus the light humour. I sometimes think it is a mistake, a form of escapism, that it makes us less serious. But it is in our DNA.

    A Chech who escaped in 1968 worked for me.
    Can you explain to me his near hatred for Slovaks ‘dumb farmers’ ?
    At the time I was too taken aback, he was reasonable man with a Dutch university degree, to ask why he had such feelings.
    Cannot ask him any more, he died relatively young of cancer.

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    his near hatred for Slovaks ‘dumb farmers’
     
    Many older Czechs were traumatised by 1968 and pos-1968 'normalisation' in the 70's (and federation that was also formed in 1968, until then Czechoslovakia was centralised). Czechs thought that Slovaks run the country, the leader Husak was from Bratislava. It is true that Slovakia and especially Bratislava prospered in the 70's and 80's, and it was outwardly lot more loyal. Older Czechs took it as 'betrayal' and it still lingers even now. Slovaks simply benefitted from socialism a lot more - they literally developed the country from a very backward state. We also grew a lot faster - better demographics. Suddenly there were young Slovak farmer kids everywhere, including Prague. The leadership in Prague in 70's and 80's was very visibly a lot of ambitious Slovaks with a few Czech second-rate communists.

    I came from a 'dumb' farmers family. But it has never bothered us, we call Prague intellectuals by worse names, but nobody really means it...except maybe bitter emigres, they hated everyone anyway.

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  112. yurivku says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    Looks like every Russian immediately gets allergic reaction towards this. They have been conditioned and it is in their national psych. Already in 1977 they called 20 series movie Unknown war. This guy claims he still remembers the war, which means he must be of pretty advanced age and yet I have no idea what he smokes even stating US won WW2. Is there single major land battle won by US military in Europe? KIA- killed in action of Germans by US forces statistics vs Soviet one and losses inflicted. Everything points towards USSR, but they as usually ignore facts. They ignorance and arrogance is on genetic level.

    They behave the same in Syria now. This way thinking of Americans is a main reason for the world,’s problems. And they still consider US to be the center of the world and others just shitholes. Actually it is just opposite and this is main thig for them to understand

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  113. @Grandpa Charlie

    "Donald John Trump is a liar. Donald John Trump is a fraud. Donald John Trump is a con man. Donald John Trump is a mass-murderer." -- Harold Smith
     
    Yeah, I see what you're after here. You remember, as I do, how the campaign to 'get' Nixon really ramped up when the media began to use Nison's full name -- Richard Milhous Nixon. It might work. But I don't see any point in "getting" Trump. Yes, he is a mass murderer, but that has nothing to do with his middle name.

    Anyway, if we drum Trump out, who do we get? Michael Richard Pence!

    OMG, "Richard"!

    “But I don’t see any point in ‘getting’ Trump.”

    The point is that there are too many credulous fools like Paul Craig Roberts who are defending Donald John Trump, no matter what he does or fails to do.

    According to credulous fools like Roberts, Obama did the evil he did because he was evil; whereas Donald John Trump does the evil that he does merely because he’s “weak”.

    It simply not within the realm of possibility (in Roberts’ universe) that Trump and his handlers set out to deceive us from the beginning.

    And as Sun Tzu would probably tell you if he were here, this kind of “thinking”, i.e., deceiving yourself because you can’t admit that you were fooled, is very dangerous.

    “Yes, he is a mass murderer, but that has nothing to do with his middle name.”

    Did I say otherwise? Sometimes I call him “Orange Clown”; sometimes I call him “Teflon Don the con man”; sometimes I refer to him as the presently seated “2nd beast of Rev 13″; lately I’ve been calling him “Donald John Trump”. Sorry if that offends your gentle sensibilities.

    “Anyway, if we drum Trump out, who do we get? Michael Richard Pence!”

    Donald John Trump needs to be politically neutered before he does any more damage (most likely irrevocable damage, e.g., nuclear war). To that end he needs to be exposed for the demon-possessed moral monster that he is, rather than be portrayed by credulous fools like Roberts as some kind of innocent, well-intentioned, babe-in-the-woods; a nice guy in a bad situation, etc.

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  114. bluedog says:
    @Grandpa Charlie
    bluedog

    You seem to want to get this comment thread started up again, but it's run its course IMO. Thanks for your comments.

    Not at all just a correction on who really started the cold war to end the conversation..

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  115. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    You are a radical hothead, But I still like you!

    "Why won’t Donald John Trump take advantage of this unprecedented opportunity and order an investigation?"

    WT7 is total proof that 9/11 was inside job. There is absolutely no doubt about it at least in my mind.

    But Trump ordering an investigation would mean that he bets everything. Including his own life.
    So why he would do that, particularly because he would loose.
    There are no witnesses. Bush certainly will not talk.
    Those who were enablers at airport will not talk. There will be no witnesses.
    There the trial would come down to arguing two groups of architects and structural engineers.
    No lawyers no judges and no public would or could understand and determine which side is right.

    So there is no chance that Trump would win.

    “But Trump ordering an investigation would mean that he bets everything. Including his own life.
    So why he would do that, particularly because he would loose.”

    I disagree for several reasons. But if you are going to argue that point, I’m going to ask you: Why didn’t the “deep state” already deploy a lone nut against him…even before the election took place? They couldn’t afford to take the risk of letting an ostensibly sincere person anywhere near the levers of power, could they?

    Conversely, if Trump won’t investigate 9/11 due to fear of assassination, why was he not afraid of running for president – on a platform of defiance to the deep state – in the first place? How do you get to have it both ways?

    Also, what good would it do to kill him after he already starts the ball rolling? For example, he could give a press conference and announce to the world that the paper by Hulsey et al. demands a new investigation, and he is ordering the U.S. atty. to begin an immediate investigation, or something like that.

    He’s going to fire up the people by doing the right thing – something that could put an end to the “deep state” once and for all – and they’re going to kill him THEN? By then it would already be too late.

    Finally, the “deep state”, if left to pursue its agenda is going to kill off most of humanity anyway (including Trump and his family), so what does he have to lose? He can take a risk of dying by way of targeted lone nut or he can die by way of nuclear winter with the rest of us, either way he’s dead anyway, so what does he have to lose?

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  116. Beckow says:
    @jilles dykstra
    A Chech who escaped in 1968 worked for me.
    Can you explain to me his near hatred for Slovaks 'dumb farmers' ?
    At the time I was too taken aback, he was reasonable man with a Dutch university degree, to ask why he had such feelings.
    Cannot ask him any more, he died relatively young of cancer.

    his near hatred for Slovaks ‘dumb farmers’

    Many older Czechs were traumatised by 1968 and pos-1968 ‘normalisation’ in the 70′s (and federation that was also formed in 1968, until then Czechoslovakia was centralised). Czechs thought that Slovaks run the country, the leader Husak was from Bratislava. It is true that Slovakia and especially Bratislava prospered in the 70′s and 80′s, and it was outwardly lot more loyal. Older Czechs took it as ‘betrayal’ and it still lingers even now. Slovaks simply benefitted from socialism a lot more – they literally developed the country from a very backward state. We also grew a lot faster – better demographics. Suddenly there were young Slovak farmer kids everywhere, including Prague. The leadership in Prague in 70′s and 80′s was very visibly a lot of ambitious Slovaks with a few Czech second-rate communists.

    I came from a ‘dumb’ farmers family. But it has never bothered us, we call Prague intellectuals by worse names, but nobody really means it…except maybe bitter emigres, they hated everyone anyway.

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  117. @yurivku

    Good to see you posting
     
    Thank you Sergei. Just see me or you liked what i've posted?

    I hear they are muling Ophrah.
     
    didn't understand that.

    But my post was about the dead end where current US policy leads us all. As you know we will fight, we always did. But only back. I wonder if every time the US citizens vote for most stupid bastards probably they want them? Probably they deserve them if they do it again and again.

    Now seems to be the last time to do something. Yes, here at UNZ audience mostly sane and understanding, but it's not the case in majority of West's and especially US's talking places.

    Both seeing you posting and comments safe nuclear button. Seems you were depressed. I meant they are starting contemplating Oprah as possible next presidential candidate for 2020 run. Everybody deserves leaders one elects.

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    Thank you, well, I'm depressed when see and hear the bullshit which goin on.
    And nothing we can do except this bloody button.
    Those stupids in their russophobia even forgetting that theirs lives also have end.
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  118. yurivku says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    Both seeing you posting and comments safe nuclear button. Seems you were depressed. I meant they are starting contemplating Oprah as possible next presidential candidate for 2020 run. Everybody deserves leaders one elects.

    Thank you, well, I’m depressed when see and hear the bullshit which goin on.
    And nothing we can do except this bloody button.
    Those stupids in their russophobia even forgetting that theirs lives also have end.

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    I’m depressed when see and hear the bullshit which goin on.
    And nothing we can do except this bloody button.

     

    Be consolated, everyone supported Russian against Russophobia, you can openly slam anyone without stigma. Russia is very strong with bigger button, not losing any sleep.

    Northkoreophobia, sinophobia, syriophobia, iranophobia, they have many enthusiast supporters here. North korea and Iran are under existential threat of nuke. Syrians already paid heavy tolls. Anything against sinophobia is a taboo getting tag as commie paid troll even by Russian like you.
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  119. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Agree with much of the sentiment and some of the proposals here regarding the need to ratchet down rhetoric, pledge no first strike, and generally try much harder to reduce the risk of even a "small" nuke exchange.

    But giving up our inter-continental ballistic missiles would be foolhardy, even more so if it's done unilaterally. With rivals / potential enemies like China and eventually India, who in time will be able to muster conventional forces and troop contingents far larger than ours, we cannot give up the nuke deterrent.

    And the reference "the TWO nuclear-armed superpowers" is out of date. That would be at least THREE nuke-armed superpowers: China, the USA, and Russia.

    With rivals /
    potential enemies like China
    and eventually India, who in
    time will be able to muster
    conventional forces and
    troop contingents far larger
    than ours, we cannot give up
    the nuke deterrent.

    Why would there be rivals or enemies if Yankees just stay at own land instead of poking your nose 8000miles away to sniff others ass and threaten to nuke if they are not to Yankees delight smell?

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  120. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    The American voters love to elect plutocrats to "lead" them. Why would any sane human vote for W, Obama, Hillary, Trump, Biden, Reagan, Carter, JFK, LBJ, Truman, DDE, or any of the other plutocratic creatures the voting class seems to love. Name a decent human among those war mongering monsters. Only morally reprehensible people run for any office. Of course they all see themselves as perfect, but in reality not one single decent human being assumes the office of president. Why do people vote? Brainwashing. Election after election, the same sorts of creatures get into office. The voters love to argue over the merits of the candidates like it's a football game playing in a back room of their minds.
    Only the worst sort of people run for office or get the funds to run. The rich can't bribe good people. Only morons vote for war criminals each and every time.

    They are not moron, but accomplice. Collectively they choosen they murderous leaders, are responsible for everything their leaders did. Osama had already explained that to Yankees. Your pres bomb me, i bomb you, don’t whine.

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  121. yurivku says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    "Your memory failed, it us Russia/USSR who put 30 millions of lives to a victory and won. You as always were getting profit of it." -- yurivku
     
    You're twisting my words. What I said in response to someone who was complaining about war after war after war and none of them victories ... what I said is that going back to World War II, that was a war that arguably could be said to be a war that USA won, meaning USA was on the winning side. That in no way indicates that it was won without partnership of Russia (and UK). You don't need to put words in my mouth, I talk enough as it is!

    And anyway, look, Russia (or the USSR) got even with USA when entering the war in Asia for a few days, after we had been fighting many stiff battles in the Pacific throughout all of 1942, 1943 and 1944 and into 1945! Maybe Americans need an education about the European war, but you might need an education into the war in the Pacific. And don't try to claim that there was no Soviet propaganda to the effect that Soviet troops played a much greater role than they really did in Manchuria. I've seen the Soviet propaganda films.

    So let's call it even, and let's go back to those war days and remember that we -- Americans and Russians -- we were allies. And the Allies won the war!

    Of course, it was all somewhat soured by old uncle Ioe.

    Don’t talk to me of Soviet propaganda. Talk better of your fake news agencies and your propaganda. Speak about fool zoo of US imbeciles like bushes, clintons, obama, trump … Actually Soviet propaganda was right abou West, and we got this lesson, we’ll never believe to West and especially US. All Us can win it’s bomb peasful countries like Serbia, and you can be sure we’ll never forget and never forgive it. You also can destroy peasfull cities with nuklear bombs like you did in Japan. And yes we got it now, now most Russians hate you, I mean the country. If during Vietnam war there were demonstrations agains war, but now seems that you like it. Got should not help you, God should hel us, the sane part of the world

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    " bomb peasful countries like Serbia, and you can be sure we’ll never forget and never forgive it." -- yurivko
     
    It's good for you to let all that spite out, I think. But I think you go too far about peaceful cities in Tojo's Japan in World War II. Consider, e.g., the Rape of Nanking.
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  122. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    "I’m asking US citizens – Is it really interesting to you to get know it for sure?" -- yurivku
     
    I am a US citizen, born and raised here, still living here, so I feel called upon to respond to your question.

    First, I admire your fighting spirit, the spirit of Mama Bear, Mother Russia. But, second, NO, not interested in testing it, not trying to pick a fight with the Russian Bear. The thing is that this country, USA, absorbs all kinds of people from all over the world, so we have among us people who glorify the Nazis of Ukraine, or whatever, but they are not what I would call Americans, not born-and-raised in USA. We have gotten tired of all that, so when people say, like, Jews who say that Israel is threatened by the horrible Arabs, etc., we tend to just say, Oh yeah, sure. That has something to do with why we don't want any more immigrants. If you want to come here to live, then leave all your old allegiances and all your old beefs back there wherever you came from. America is not Israel, not Palestine, not Russia, not Germany, not Africa, not Muslim-land, not even Ireland for that matter. America is the center of the world, America ... God help us.

    I don't know anything about Roth -- who wrote the article and that various commenters have gone out of their way to misconstrue -- but it seems to me that he did not advocate any such thing as antagonizing Russia or the Russian people. He was just taking inventory of the situation, pretty much objectively, which always stirs up all kinds of subjectively opinionated people -- people with chips on their shoulders and not much of any importance to do. I mean, that's why I post here at Unz ... because in my ninth decade in this lifetime, I don't have much to do of any importance (and I like a lot of the content here). A way to pass the time and keep in touch with other people.

    The thing is that this country, USA, absorbs all kinds of people from all over the world, so we have among us people who glorify the Nazis of Ukraine, or whatever, but they are not what I would call Americans, not born-and-raised in USA. We have gotten tired of all that, so when people say, like, Jews who say that Israel is threatened by the horrible Arabs, etc., we tend to just say, Oh yeah, sure. That has something to do with why we don’t want any more immigrants.

    Granpa, all your elected Pres, congressmen, Pentagon war mongers, Military killers, MIC, Wall Street, CIA, NSA, presstitutes’ bosses…are all what you called born-and-raised Americans. New migrants don’t get these security clearance.

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    "Granpa, all your elected Pres, congressmen, Pentagon war mongers, Military killers, MIC, Wall Street, CIA, NSA, presstitutes’ bosses…are all what you called born-and-raised Americans. New migrants don’t get these security clearance." -- anon
     
    No human being in all of history has done more damage to USA and the American people .... than Henry Kissinger. He was, in effect, the president for foreign and military policy during the Ford administration and did plenty of damage both before and after. He did enormous harm around the world, as well as tremendous damage to the USA.

    Kissinger was as far from born-and-raised-in-USA as it is possible to be and yet be a US citizen. He was born and raised in Germany and came to the USA in 1938, having been born in Germany in 1923. We will probably never know how high his security clearance went. It was virtually 'the sky's the limit'. So there's no law against foreign-born being given security clearances, but it looks like there sure should be!
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  123. TT says:
    @lavoisier
    Best hope for the world at this point is for the US to fail economically.

    A major depression. Massive financial defaults.

    Then and only then can the craziness of picking a fight with the rest of the world stop.

    And good riddance to that war mongering bastard McCain. His death may mean the saving of countless innoncent lives.

    Best hope for the world at this point is for the US to fail economically.

    A major depression. Massive financial defaults.

    Then and only then can the craziness of picking a fight with the rest of the world stop.

    Nay. If US collapse, who is going to pay its debts & clean its shits? Best hope is their people wake up to their basic decent sense they long lost, overthrow their entire government, elect accountable technocrats to lead and start living prudently that a sane nation should. No war, no military, no free printing Fiat dollars, just work & live decently in peace with the world. Of course pay up all the debts over next few generations. Don’t screw up my usd saving.

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    "Best hope is their people wake up to their basic decent sense they long lost, overthrow their entire government, elect accountable technocrats to lead and start living prudently that a sane nation should."

    A spiritual revival? Of course that will never happen because "the people" of the U.S. are just too corrupt. Years of brainwashing and calculated moral degeneracy have taken their toll. He's right: something like a catastrophic economic collapse in the U.S. might be the best thing for the world.
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  124. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @N. J.
    Re: Bombarbier-Airbus ''deal'' signed in N-Ireland and supported by the Canadian and Quebec governments (i.e. by the British and Franco-German bankers).


    Will the US-NATO now try to use the ''French connection'' and the 12 new military bases in Europe to try again for IRAN? The planes will be assembled in Alabama.

    Why did the RCMP botched the investigation of Inslaw?


    Why does the British colony, Canada supported the coup in Ukraine, and constantly lies on the ''rebels'' it arms and promotes with its CBC-RadioCanada in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, etc?


    "Taking Down" British Officials

    Israel conspires against the Mother of Parliaments

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/taking-down-british-officials/

    Every countries leaders including allies must toe US line. Those refuse are the axis of evil, dictator, murderers, commie, WMD, little Rocket man, whatever, just put on target list, changed or killed.. Either you are with ass, or against ass.

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  125. @TT

    Best hope for the world at this point is for the US to fail economically.

    A major depression. Massive financial defaults.

    Then and only then can the craziness of picking a fight with the rest of the world stop.

     

    Nay. If US collapse, who is going to pay its debts & clean its shits? Best hope is their people wake up to their basic decent sense they long lost, overthrow their entire government, elect accountable technocrats to lead and start living prudently that a sane nation should. No war, no military, no free printing Fiat dollars, just work & live decently in peace with the world. Of course pay up all the debts over next few generations. Don't screw up my usd saving.

    “Best hope is their people wake up to their basic decent sense they long lost, overthrow their entire government, elect accountable technocrats to lead and start living prudently that a sane nation should.”

    A spiritual revival? Of course that will never happen because “the people” of the U.S. are just too corrupt. Years of brainwashing and calculated moral degeneracy have taken their toll. He’s right: something like a catastrophic economic collapse in the U.S. might be the best thing for the world.

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    That is a good analogy. Israel is the perfect example of the Southern saying: "He would ride a free horse to death". It's as though the Israelis don't even realize that they are going to be destroyed by the rest of the world eventually. No people in history has ever gotten away with the kind of shit that Israel has been doing.

    Eventually, the world will be united in their disgust at them and will isolate and then destroy this bunch of lunatics.
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  126. @Michael Kenny
    Just a re-hash of the standard “let Putin win in Ukraine” propaganda line dressed up in the pseudo-reasonable language lawyers learn to use. I couldn’t find a single argument in the article that hasn’t been trotted out dozens of times over the last three years, including the assimilation of the Soviet Union to the Russian Federation by the linguistic device of referring to both as “Russia”. In other words, the pro-Putin camp have run out of arguments. On the other side, a Dutch media outlet claims that Dutch intelligence hacked the hackers, so to speak, and was the first to warn the US of Russian interference.

    Those “trotted-out arguments” are as valid and unanswered as ever. Therefore, contrary to your “logic”, no one has in fact “run out of arguments”.

    On the other hand, every time I read any one of your comments here, I come away with the unmovable impression over and over again that you are one of the stupidest, least-knowledgeable, most pig-ignorant commenters ever to scribble kindergarten-level garbage here at TUR.

    Do us all a favour and just go away and play with the trains.

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  127. @Miro23

    It seems to me that US-Western policy is trying to corner Russia economically or is preparing its own population for a war with Russia. The way these people plan is based on an assumption that they are in control – they literally think that they are playing one-way chess. That Russia will not respond or escalate, or act irrationally. If we are lucky, that will be the case. But what if something changes?
     
    This is worth restating. There's a basic arrogance and casual risk taking in US actions that is hard to understand. The American people don't want this trouble. It's why they voted for Trump, and most of them would be pressed to show you Iraq or Syria on a map, much less care about what happens there.

    The arrogance and casual risk taking are probably explained by the fact that the US (its wealth and its people) are really just an expendable tool to further the interests of Israel and the US Jewish elite. The simple fact is that Israel alone doesn't have the power to take on Iran and Russia, and even if it did, it would be far preferable for their captive American giant to do the fighting, and who cares if millions of goyim are killed and the US bankrupted in the process?

    There's no doubt that the US is Israel's Nº1 asset and they plan to use it to the maximum to further Israel's geopolitical ambitions.

    Bravo.

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  128. @jilles dykstra
    The news, fake or not, that Russia interfered in the USA elections, is continuing.
    Our Dutch secret service, not so secret, a real secret service does not advertise that it does exist, has proof that the Russians did it.
    What they then did exactly, and what effect it had, no idea, the 'news' does not tell us.
    However, the USA has a long history over overthrowing governments that did not please the USA.
    So it again to me is the biblical story of the splinter and the beam, if beam is the right word.
    But, in my opinion, trying to prevent the election of war loving Hillary, who can blame the Russians ?

    And the Dutch Intel service said that Russia shot down Malaysia 17. (LOL)

    And Russia doesn’t have “interns” and “assistants” stovepiping and manipulating legislative process in every the office of ALL American legislators, each of whom is being blackmailed by said Israeli dual citizens.

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  129. Beckow says:
    @Miro23

    It seems to me that US-Western policy is trying to corner Russia economically or is preparing its own population for a war with Russia. The way these people plan is based on an assumption that they are in control – they literally think that they are playing one-way chess. That Russia will not respond or escalate, or act irrationally. If we are lucky, that will be the case. But what if something changes?
     
    This is worth restating. There's a basic arrogance and casual risk taking in US actions that is hard to understand. The American people don't want this trouble. It's why they voted for Trump, and most of them would be pressed to show you Iraq or Syria on a map, much less care about what happens there.

    The arrogance and casual risk taking are probably explained by the fact that the US (its wealth and its people) are really just an expendable tool to further the interests of Israel and the US Jewish elite. The simple fact is that Israel alone doesn't have the power to take on Iran and Russia, and even if it did, it would be far preferable for their captive American giant to do the fighting, and who cares if millions of goyim are killed and the US bankrupted in the process?

    There's no doubt that the US is Israel's Nº1 asset and they plan to use it to the maximum to further Israel's geopolitical ambitions.

    Israel alone doesn’t have the power to take on Iran and Russia

    With Iran I agree, it seems an irrational obsession. But I have not seen much anti-Russia (direct) moves from Israel. If anything, they seem quite chummy. Sure, they were on opposite sides in Syria and Ukraine, but officially there isn’t anything like US or EU hostility against Russia from Israel. They trade, visit, invest, etc…

    It is also hard to believe that Washington, London, Berlin or Brussels are not independent players. They are maybe used somewhat, but all of them have age-old agendas in both Middle East and Eastern Europe. Or France – they have been at the forefront of both the attack on Syria, and have enthusiastically poured oil on the Ukraine conflict. I would hold French accountable, the ‘they were just puppets of Zionists‘ is too easy and it makes countries not responsible for what they do.

    My view is that if Berlin is messing with Ukraine, sending soldiers to the Russian border, inventing and forcing sanctions, it is their decision and ultimately German responsibility. Even blaming just Merkel is silly – it is the elite consensus among Germans, and the elites are presumably representing what Germans want, especially after a few relatively democratic electoral cycles. I know it hard to look into the mirror and see that it is actually the common people in those countries who are responsible, but it is closer to the truth than looking for reasons elsewhere.

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    Israel relies upon the Diaspora to coerce/blackmail Western governments to do their miso-Slavic dirty work. I don't know of any public Jew in America who isn't howling for Russian blood. (Well, okay, Oliver Stone is one exception.)
    , @Miro23

    With Iran I agree, it seems an irrational obsession. But I have not seen much anti-Russia (direct) moves from Israel. If anything, they seem quite chummy. Sure, they were on opposite sides in Syria and Ukraine, but officially there isn’t anything like US or EU hostility against Russia from Israel. They trade, visit, invest, etc…
     
    Except that the US media are the faithful voice of militant Zionism. They are hard core Likudniks (i.e. don't even represent most Jews or Israelis) and there's nothing accidental about the intense media focus on "Russian Hacking".

    It's a highly coordinated propaganda move that has nothing to do with the facts, the same as the WMD story that blanketed the US media at the time, or the instant and perfectly formed 9/11 "Arab Terrorist" story that the media were trumpeting almost from the moment the planes hit the towers - no investigation necessary.

    Following this line of thinking, the US population is once again being prepared (set up) - this time for something involving Russia. I don't know what it is, but it's certainly designed to augment US Zionist power, and it's a highly dangerous piece of lunacy that isn't going to benefit the US or Russian public.
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  130. Beckow says:
    @Kiza
    Thanks for the clarification. Then perhaps on the days when you feel Czechoslovak you write in the good old tradition of Hašek's The Good Soldier Švejk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good_Soldier_%C5%A0vejk

    Yes, I also sometimes feel unease about employing humor for the situations where some people are dying, in some typical US or Israeli aggression. But, making fun of the powerful and conceited is a rare form of resistance available to ordinary people: hey, you do not scare me!

    Perhaps we learned this whilst laughing at Communism, from works such as Péter Bacsó's The Witness (1969 Hungarian film): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Witness_(1969_Hungarian_film). To this day in my life I never laughed more.

    There is a great scene at the beginning of The Good Soldier Svejk. At a pub in Prague a customer asks what happened to the portrait of the Habsburg Emperor that used to hang over the bar. The barman says that he had to move it because ‘flies where sh..ing on it’. The customer finishes his beer, does some more small talk, and then as he gets up tells the barman ‘ok, let’s go‘. And of they go to the police station with no drama or even discussion about the portrait. That is stoicism in action, only in Prague…

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    Yes, stoicism and fine humor. I would force every Western revisionist of history (WW1 and WW2), and many there are, to read The Good Soldier Svejk.
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  131. renfro says:
    @bluedog
    Oh come now grandpa show me where Trump is any different than Bush or Obama was,singing the same tune on a different day,more weapons for the Ukraine, who can't even pay their debts,more weapons for the terrorist in Syria,trying to steal part of Syria for yet another outpost of the empire,another $1.7 trillion added to the debt while he mouth's I have a plan, another $1.7 trillion for infranstucture while the federal debt heads for the moon,a hugh tax cut for himself and the 1% he represents.Nope sorry charlie but just another day in fascist America while people bleat "he was the lessor of the two evils" but the question remains is just why in hell you voted for evil, for you did have the choice of staying home saying I want no part of evil,for you see America died in 1963 in a place called Dallas,Tex........

    …..for you see America died in 1963 in a place called Dallas,Tex……..

    Yes it did.

    And oddly enough here is the Jewish woman who became Johnson’s foreign policy muse after Kennedy’s assassination.

    The not-so-secret life of Mathilde Krim

    http://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/secret-life-mathilde/

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  133. Kiza says:
    @Beckow
    There is a great scene at the beginning of The Good Soldier Svejk. At a pub in Prague a customer asks what happened to the portrait of the Habsburg Emperor that used to hang over the bar. The barman says that he had to move it because 'flies where sh..ing on it'. The customer finishes his beer, does some more small talk, and then as he gets up tells the barman 'ok, let's go'. And of they go to the police station with no drama or even discussion about the portrait. That is stoicism in action, only in Prague...

    Yes, stoicism and fine humor. I would force every Western revisionist of history (WW1 and WW2), and many there are, to read The Good Soldier Svejk.

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    Yeah, Good Soldier Schweik ... I read that many years ago, when I was in the military, it seemed funny to me at the time, because it was true. Great book.
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  134. Kiza says:
    @Miro23

    It seems to me that US-Western policy is trying to corner Russia economically or is preparing its own population for a war with Russia. The way these people plan is based on an assumption that they are in control – they literally think that they are playing one-way chess. That Russia will not respond or escalate, or act irrationally. If we are lucky, that will be the case. But what if something changes?
     
    This is worth restating. There's a basic arrogance and casual risk taking in US actions that is hard to understand. The American people don't want this trouble. It's why they voted for Trump, and most of them would be pressed to show you Iraq or Syria on a map, much less care about what happens there.

    The arrogance and casual risk taking are probably explained by the fact that the US (its wealth and its people) are really just an expendable tool to further the interests of Israel and the US Jewish elite. The simple fact is that Israel alone doesn't have the power to take on Iran and Russia, and even if it did, it would be far preferable for their captive American giant to do the fighting, and who cares if millions of goyim are killed and the US bankrupted in the process?

    There's no doubt that the US is Israel's Nº1 asset and they plan to use it to the maximum to further Israel's geopolitical ambitions.

    I have this image from Western movies of a cowboy trying the cross a desert and he survives but his horse dies in the process. The cowboy is Israel and the horse is the US. The US horse has been flogged too much (for money and blood) and it is close to expiring in financial fireworks. But if it does what will the cowboy/parasite do, where to find another host and quickly? Will the Arabs manage to unite and wipe off Israel from the map when the host/horse dies?

    I honestly cannot understand the parasite which kills its host, honestly! No use-in-moderation policy at all and they claim that they have the highest IQ.

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    "Wipe off" not necessary. More likely like this. [2021.]

    Struggle for equal rights for Palestinians is ‘right choice,’ and will lead to ‘significant exodus of Jews’ — Henry Siegman
    http://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/struggle-palestinians-significant/
    , @anon
    Flogged the horse to death for maximal, then rob another horse under gun point. There are more than one parasites competing for host blood.

    EU is another horse preparing with Moslems mass Migration now. Next is Russia or China, then India, Asia, Africa,...back to US when it has resurrected and grow fat again. Merry go round.
    , @Miro23

    I honestly cannot understand the parasite which kills its host,
     
    It's not really "killing the host". It's more having absolute power with maximum exploitation. There's plenty more to exploit in the US, and this particular horse is starting to kick over the traces (electing Donald Trump), so it needs a tighter harness and more whip.

    For example, the Russians under Bolshevism had every aspect of their lives controlled. Their economic output was 100% appropriated by the state, and in return they got the minimum of bad food and shelter need to survive (i.e. they were enslaved) + they got the death penalty for any criticism of their Jewish masters (which was the first law that Uliánov (Lenin), Bronstein (Trotsky), Apfelbaum (Zinoviev) and Rosenfeld (Kamenev) passed on gaining absolute power).

    Unfortunately for them (20 years later), they were all murdered/executed by Stalin along with most of the other Bolshevik Jewish leaders (apart from Lenin who died soon after they came to power in 1917) and Stalin appropriated their system developing his own repressive cult of personality.

    Plenty of Americans are supporting the Neo-Bolshevik PC agenda, in the same way that the fashionable pre WWI ethnic Russian intelligencia supported Bolshevik activism (inevitable "social progress", "modern thinking". "progressiveness" etc) although they were in fact surprised to discover that they, (the "useful idiots"), were the first to be liquidated when the Bolsheviks attained absolute power.
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  135. RobinG says:
    @Kiza
    I have this image from Western movies of a cowboy trying the cross a desert and he survives but his horse dies in the process. The cowboy is Israel and the horse is the US. The US horse has been flogged too much (for money and blood) and it is close to expiring in financial fireworks. But if it does what will the cowboy/parasite do, where to find another host and quickly? Will the Arabs manage to unite and wipe off Israel from the map when the host/horse dies?

    I honestly cannot understand the parasite which kills its host, honestly! No use-in-moderation policy at all and they claim that they have the highest IQ.

    “Wipe off” not necessary. More likely like this. [2021.]

    Struggle for equal rights for Palestinians is ‘right choice,’ and will lead to ‘significant exodus of Jews’ — Henry Siegman

    http://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/struggle-palestinians-significant/

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  136. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @yurivku
    Thank you, well, I'm depressed when see and hear the bullshit which goin on.
    And nothing we can do except this bloody button.
    Those stupids in their russophobia even forgetting that theirs lives also have end.

    I’m depressed when see and hear the bullshit which goin on.
    And nothing we can do except this bloody button.

    Be consolated, everyone supported Russian against Russophobia, you can openly slam anyone without stigma. Russia is very strong with bigger button, not losing any sleep.

    Northkoreophobia, sinophobia, syriophobia, iranophobia, they have many enthusiast supporters here. North korea and Iran are under existential threat of nuke. Syrians already paid heavy tolls. Anything against sinophobia is a taboo getting tag as commie paid troll even by Russian like you.

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    Be consolated, everyone supported Russian against Russophobia,
     
    Don't think so, we are always were betrayed even by those we saved, like Bulgarians, yugoslavian, polish and others. Emperor Alexander III said: Russia has only two ally: its army and navy
    Now we can add and aerospace forces
    We can see world "support" for example in sports matters, sanctions etc. Well, we just getting angrier and do those three allies more powerful.

    Anything against sinophobia is a taboo getting tag as commie paid troll even by Russian like you.
     
    Sorry, did not get it, Sinophobia is a taboo or taboo is be against it?
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  137. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wyatt Pendleton
    I don't think anyone in the West is sleepwalking into anything, esp the USA. I think the American people see the writing on the wall and that if the American Empire loses status the economy of the USA will revert to being a labor intensive existence of working the ground just to have enough food to eat and water to drink. So entitled and lazy Americans are and horrified to be relegated back to a 1920/30's quality of life (loss of Bread & Circuses), that if the Military Idust Complex has to threaten the entire planet with nuclear annihilation if they don't tithe 10% of their GDP (Roman Empire) so fat ass Yankees can continue to be fat asses--then just burn the place to the ground.

    If the BRIC countries attempt to dethrone the petro dollar lazy entitled Americans will BEG Washington to do whatever it takes to bring back $3.00 t-shirts at Wal-Mart.

    If the American Empire loses status the economy of the USA will revert to being a labor intensive existence of working the ground just to have enough food to eat and water to drink. So entitled and lazy Americans are and horrified to be relegated back to a 1920/30′s quality of life (loss of Bread & Circuses), that if the Military Idust Complex has to threaten the entire planet with nuclear annihilation if they don’t tithe 10% of their GDP (Roman Empire) so fat ass Yankees can continue to be fat asses–then just burn the place to the ground.

    If the BRIC countries attempt to dethrone the petro dollar lazy entitled Americans will BEG Washington to do whatever it takes to bring back $3.00 t-shirts at Wal-Mart.

    Isn’t farmers life more dignified than homeless without proper sanitary access, or been continuously worried about next bill and job, violent criminals or police brutality. But the well to do don’t give a damn if their boys are bombing who, life goes on fattening their ass. That’s why there isn’t slightest protest for 30Mi killing endless war still adding, except Saigon war too bloody for these fat ass enlisted offspring. So Blackwater mercenaries flourish now.

    Yah, $3 good quality Tshirt in Walmart, thanks to China and Bangladesh. It cost $20 for a thin lousy Tee make in US no one will wear, scared the shit out of me, if DT goes trade war or nuke China, you have to start spinning own cloth. Yet Yankees want the cake and eat it too, cheap Tees but blame China. Just print $ to buy insanely, not productive(no factories to do anyway),only make bombs to sell, then whine over trade deficit.

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  138. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Kiza
    I have this image from Western movies of a cowboy trying the cross a desert and he survives but his horse dies in the process. The cowboy is Israel and the horse is the US. The US horse has been flogged too much (for money and blood) and it is close to expiring in financial fireworks. But if it does what will the cowboy/parasite do, where to find another host and quickly? Will the Arabs manage to unite and wipe off Israel from the map when the host/horse dies?

    I honestly cannot understand the parasite which kills its host, honestly! No use-in-moderation policy at all and they claim that they have the highest IQ.

    Flogged the horse to death for maximal, then rob another horse under gun point. There are more than one parasites competing for host blood.

    EU is another horse preparing with Moslems mass Migration now. Next is Russia or China, then India, Asia, Africa,…back to US when it has resurrected and grow fat again. Merry go round.

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  139. @Beckow

    Israel alone doesn’t have the power to take on Iran and Russia
     
    With Iran I agree, it seems an irrational obsession. But I have not seen much anti-Russia (direct) moves from Israel. If anything, they seem quite chummy. Sure, they were on opposite sides in Syria and Ukraine, but officially there isn't anything like US or EU hostility against Russia from Israel. They trade, visit, invest, etc...

    It is also hard to believe that Washington, London, Berlin or Brussels are not independent players. They are maybe used somewhat, but all of them have age-old agendas in both Middle East and Eastern Europe. Or France - they have been at the forefront of both the attack on Syria, and have enthusiastically poured oil on the Ukraine conflict. I would hold French accountable, the 'they were just puppets of Zionists' is too easy and it makes countries not responsible for what they do.

    My view is that if Berlin is messing with Ukraine, sending soldiers to the Russian border, inventing and forcing sanctions, it is their decision and ultimately German responsibility. Even blaming just Merkel is silly - it is the elite consensus among Germans, and the elites are presumably representing what Germans want, especially after a few relatively democratic electoral cycles. I know it hard to look into the mirror and see that it is actually the common people in those countries who are responsible, but it is closer to the truth than looking for reasons elsewhere.

    Israel relies upon the Diaspora to coerce/blackmail Western governments to do their miso-Slavic dirty work. I don’t know of any public Jew in America who isn’t howling for Russian blood. (Well, okay, Oliver Stone is one exception.)

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    Anon from TN
    Ron Unz is another. There are many decent people with Jewish blood, and there is a lot of scum who is not ethnically Jewish. Any nationalism is inherently stupid, fooling people into the belief that everything is very simple.
    , @polskijoe
    Proffesor Stephen Cohen seems okay with Russians. There are probably others, but the point is that the loud and influential ones are Anti-Russian. They are the new Schiffs of America.

    AntiRussian Jews:
    In Canada you get people like Freeland (upa and jewish ancestry) who found one thing in common,
    to hate on the Russians. She was also at the World Jew Congress.
    Others, people like Anne Applebaum who got Sikorski into power.
    All the mainstream news members, pumping the same nonsense.
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  140. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @Toby Keith
    Israel relies upon the Diaspora to coerce/blackmail Western governments to do their miso-Slavic dirty work. I don't know of any public Jew in America who isn't howling for Russian blood. (Well, okay, Oliver Stone is one exception.)

    Anon from TN
    Ron Unz is another. There are many decent people with Jewish blood, and there is a lot of scum who is not ethnically Jewish. Any nationalism is inherently stupid, fooling people into the belief that everything is very simple.

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    Ah, yes, Jews are just like anybody else. ...except for the fact that they have a highly codified written creed that commands unrestricted genocidal aggression against any People attempting to exercise self-determination in the face of global Judeo-supremacist hegemony.
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  141. @yurivku
    Hi Charlie!

    First, I admire your fighting spirit, the spirit of Mama Bear, Mother Russia
     
    Thank you, but I'm not in fighting mood, I just tried to explain you, US citizens, where your stupid leaders lead us all. We, Russians, do not want it, but we will fight if it'll be inevitable. We always did.

    I wander why you elect this stupid bastards again and again? Probally you like them, probaly you deserve them and deserve the destiny which can be very bad. But in this case nobody escapes, not us not US asskissers in the rest of world.

    Now seems to me the last time to do something about it. And it should be done in US, only you can change something.


    Imbeciles like McCain or H.Clinton know that their life near the end and probably life of others is out of theirs interest, but what about others 300 millions of people?

    America is the center of the world, America … God help us.
     
    It's a main mistake of you, Americans. America is just one place, there are many others not worse than yours. And the are many peoples not worse than yours and it'll be good for America to understand this simple thing. Than God will certainly help all us.

    Regards,
    Yuri

    I’m not in fighting mood, I just tried to explain you, US citizens, where your stupid leaders lead us all. We, Russians, do not want it, but we will fight if it’ll be inevitable. We always did.

    America is just one place, there are many others not worse than yours. And the are many peoples not worse than yours and it’ll be good for America to understand this simple thing. Than God will certainly help all us.

    Regards,
    Yuri

    Yuri,

    The reason I responded is that you specifically asked for a response from an American. And the reason I addressed the Mama Bear aspect of Russia is that, you know, Mama Bear is legendary especially in western USA — if you rile her up or bother her cubs … well, that’s not something you want to do.

    As annoying as it is when MSM lies to us, pretending that we actually believe those lies, it’s even more annoying when they pretend to speak for us Americans about something like Russia or Ukraine.

    Americans don’t believe any of it — maybe we once did believe the okeydoke, but not anymore. That’s probably the biggest reason that Trump was elected. He campaigned against the mainstream global-corporations-owned media.

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  142. @Kiza
    Yes, stoicism and fine humor. I would force every Western revisionist of history (WW1 and WW2), and many there are, to read The Good Soldier Svejk.

    Yeah, Good Soldier Schweik … I read that many years ago, when I was in the military, it seemed funny to me at the time, because it was true. Great book.

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  143. @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Ron Unz is another. There are many decent people with Jewish blood, and there is a lot of scum who is not ethnically Jewish. Any nationalism is inherently stupid, fooling people into the belief that everything is very simple.

    Ah, yes, Jews are just like anybody else. …except for the fact that they have a highly codified written creed that commands unrestricted genocidal aggression against any People attempting to exercise self-determination in the face of global Judeo-supremacist hegemony.

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    Anon from TN
    Most of the Jews and half-Jews I know are non-religious, whereas you are talking about religion. In fact, any religion, taken literally, is a written justification of atrocities against non-believers (or believers in a different fairy tale). This certainly applies 100% to Judaism, Christianity (all sects), Islam (all sects), Hinduism. Maybe Buddhism, Jaininsm, or Confucianism are exceptions, I don’t know enough about them.
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  144. @anon

    The thing is that this country, USA, absorbs all kinds of people from all over the world, so we have among us people who glorify the Nazis of Ukraine, or whatever, but they are not what I would call Americans, not born-and-raised in USA. We have gotten tired of all that, so when people say, like, Jews who say that Israel is threatened by the horrible Arabs, etc., we tend to just say, Oh yeah, sure. That has something to do with why we don’t want any more immigrants.

     

    Granpa, all your elected Pres, congressmen, Pentagon war mongers, Military killers, MIC, Wall Street, CIA, NSA, presstitutes' bosses...are all what you called born-and-raised Americans. New migrants don't get these security clearance.

    “Granpa, all your elected Pres, congressmen, Pentagon war mongers, Military killers, MIC, Wall Street, CIA, NSA, presstitutes’ bosses…are all what you called born-and-raised Americans. New migrants don’t get these security clearance.” — anon

    No human being in all of history has done more damage to USA and the American people …. than Henry Kissinger. He was, in effect, the president for foreign and military policy during the Ford administration and did plenty of damage both before and after. He did enormous harm around the world, as well as tremendous damage to the USA.

    Kissinger was as far from born-and-raised-in-USA as it is possible to be and yet be a US citizen. He was born and raised in Germany and came to the USA in 1938, having been born in Germany in 1923. We will probably never know how high his security clearance went. It was virtually ‘the sky’s the limit’. So there’s no law against foreign-born being given security clearances, but it looks like there sure should be!

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    Granpa, still all Potus are born raised in US soil. Nothing to do with new migrants, its the failed system, and US people either psychopathic or absolutely ignorant to vote in every war monger leaders in a row. Kissinger is just only one.

    Not a single protest ever raise by people when atrocious warssss are waging till this moment. But come to trivial things, LBGT or some abortion issues, people take to street in number, congressmen vehemently fighting for actions. Which means you and your elected reps are capable of fighting for own interest, yet don't give a damn to others lives.

    To elect murderers, and connive to their actions are tantamount to accomplices. Ever feel for Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans, Serbians, Ukrainian war suffering, North Koreans & Iranians living in existential destruction fear, Yemenis, Cuban, Venezuelan,...and many countries hardship under subversion and sanctions? Russophobia is just kid play. Not one protest. Its new migrants fault. US are exceptional, make ass great. EU countries are just similar.

    Now you know why the whole world see US as the biggest threat? Its Americans mentality! To wish a economic disaster destroying monstrous US is most compassionate way to spare everyone from a nuclear apocalypse.
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  145. @yurivku
    Don't talk to me of Soviet propaganda. Talk better of your fake news agencies and your propaganda. Speak about fool zoo of US imbeciles like bushes, clintons, obama, trump ... Actually Soviet propaganda was right abou West, and we got this lesson, we'll never believe to West and especially US. All Us can win it's bomb peasful countries like Serbia, and you can be sure we'll never forget and never forgive it. You also can destroy peasfull cities with nuklear bombs like you did in Japan. And yes we got it now, now most Russians hate you, I mean the country. If during Vietnam war there were demonstrations agains war, but now seems that you like it. Got should not help you, God should hel us, the sane part of the world

    ” bomb peasful countries like Serbia, and you can be sure we’ll never forget and never forgive it.” — yurivko

    It’s good for you to let all that spite out, I think. But I think you go too far about peaceful cities in Tojo’s Japan in World War II. Consider, e.g., the Rape of Nanking.

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    That's describing your bloody society quite well

    But I think you go too far about peaceful cities in Tojo’s Japan in World War II.
     
    It doesn't bother you that you have killed tens an hundreds of thousands of peaceful people. Really peaceful, probaly there were few hundreds or even thouthands of militaries among them. But you've killed peaceful people and still persit it was right.
    Yes Japanese were criminals that time, but it does not mean that you can kill childs and women, but you did and so you are criminal even worse than your enemy.

    You did it in Japan and than in many other places like Serbia, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Syria and many others and still people like you feel no responcibility for that.
    That's why your country is world scale criminal.

    Moreover you trying to blame everyboby but youself in military crimes while real criminal old-offender is USA and its people.

    You can say that Haley is Indian not American, McCain probably Irish and so on - but no, - everyone of you should be responcible for crimes of your country.

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  146. yurivku says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    " bomb peasful countries like Serbia, and you can be sure we’ll never forget and never forgive it." -- yurivko
     
    It's good for you to let all that spite out, I think. But I think you go too far about peaceful cities in Tojo's Japan in World War II. Consider, e.g., the Rape of Nanking.

    That’s describing your bloody society quite well

    But I think you go too far about peaceful cities in Tojo’s Japan in World War II.

    It doesn’t bother you that you have killed tens an hundreds of thousands of peaceful people. Really peaceful, probaly there were few hundreds or even thouthands of militaries among them. But you’ve killed peaceful people and still persit it was right.
    Yes Japanese were criminals that time, but it does not mean that you can kill childs and women, but you did and so you are criminal even worse than your enemy.

    You did it in Japan and than in many other places like Serbia, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Syria and many others and still people like you feel no responcibility for that.
    That’s why your country is world scale criminal.

    Moreover you trying to blame everyboby but youself in military crimes while real criminal old-offender is USA and its people.

    You can say that Haley is Indian not American, McCain probably Irish and so on – but no, – everyone of you should be responcible for crimes of your country.

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    That is not fair, any more than every Japanese civilian is responsible for the rape of Nanking.

    I do not support the wars by the US being waged on the behalf of Israel in the Middle East.

    I do not support the leaders of my government who instigated those wars.

    I think Bush and Cheney should be tried for war crimes, and I think the entire neo-conservative cabal should go to jail for their lies and treachery.

    Not all Americans are on board with the waging of endless wars. And more and more of us are waking up to the reality that our country is fighting wars on behalf of Israel that are not in our interest.
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  147. yurivku says:
    @anon

    I’m depressed when see and hear the bullshit which goin on.
    And nothing we can do except this bloody button.

     

    Be consolated, everyone supported Russian against Russophobia, you can openly slam anyone without stigma. Russia is very strong with bigger button, not losing any sleep.

    Northkoreophobia, sinophobia, syriophobia, iranophobia, they have many enthusiast supporters here. North korea and Iran are under existential threat of nuke. Syrians already paid heavy tolls. Anything against sinophobia is a taboo getting tag as commie paid troll even by Russian like you.

    Be consolated, everyone supported Russian against Russophobia,

    Don’t think so, we are always were betrayed even by those we saved, like Bulgarians, yugoslavian, polish and others. Emperor Alexander III said: Russia has only two ally: its army and navy
    Now we can add and aerospace forces
    We can see world “support” for example in sports matters, sanctions etc. Well, we just getting angrier and do those three allies more powerful.

    Anything against sinophobia is a taboo getting tag as commie paid troll even by Russian like you.

    Sorry, did not get it, Sinophobia is a taboo or taboo is be against it?

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    Don’t think so, we are always were betrayed even by those we saved... Emperor Alexander III said: Russia has only two ally: its army and navy
    Now we can add and aerospace forces
    We can see world “support” for example in sports matters, sanctions etc. Well, we just getting angrier and do those three allies more powerful.
     
    From all i know, most are supporting Russia including US & Nato people. Many got piss off by US terrorism Syria war, Wada/Olympics nonsense. Didn't you see that steriod pump monstrous tennis player vs lovely Russian lady?

    Russia is excellent to counter Yankees monopolized propaganda war. RT is exposing Yankees smelly ass. So US frighten into screwing RT, run hysteria Russiophobia. Only Russky alone can poke Yankee eyes, ha.. ha..we just love it. See how Lavrov mock Nikki.

    Cheer up, you have to pay little price to stand up against bully, until others dare to join in to crush that idiot together. China already grow enough joining the fight.
    Military + Economy=Unconquerable.

    Sanction is godsend to help Putin restructure Russia economic finally, also good excuse to nationalize more oligarchy assets. Anyway, self sufficient Russia don't care much on external trade, exchange rate, gdp figures..Western invented BS. Judge by your improved life quality.

    And Russia has proven its 1st class integrated military power with superior command & logistic control in Syria war we thought had gone with Soviet. Many are drooling on Ruskies weapon now.

    The more hysteria Yankees & lackeys bark, it means more fear. All are just harassment. No one will attack Russia, your button is biggest. Now get some good sleep and send us more good news about next poking Yankees ass.
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  148. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    "Granpa, all your elected Pres, congressmen, Pentagon war mongers, Military killers, MIC, Wall Street, CIA, NSA, presstitutes’ bosses…are all what you called born-and-raised Americans. New migrants don’t get these security clearance." -- anon
     
    No human being in all of history has done more damage to USA and the American people .... than Henry Kissinger. He was, in effect, the president for foreign and military policy during the Ford administration and did plenty of damage both before and after. He did enormous harm around the world, as well as tremendous damage to the USA.

    Kissinger was as far from born-and-raised-in-USA as it is possible to be and yet be a US citizen. He was born and raised in Germany and came to the USA in 1938, having been born in Germany in 1923. We will probably never know how high his security clearance went. It was virtually 'the sky's the limit'. So there's no law against foreign-born being given security clearances, but it looks like there sure should be!

    Granpa, still all Potus are born raised in US soil. Nothing to do with new migrants, its the failed system, and US people either psychopathic or absolutely ignorant to vote in every war monger leaders in a row. Kissinger is just only one.

    Not a single protest ever raise by people when atrocious warssss are waging till this moment. But come to trivial things, LBGT or some abortion issues, people take to street in number, congressmen vehemently fighting for actions. Which means you and your elected reps are capable of fighting for own interest, yet don’t give a damn to others lives.

    To elect murderers, and connive to their actions are tantamount to accomplices. Ever feel for Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans, Serbians, Ukrainian war suffering, North Koreans & Iranians living in existential destruction fear, Yemenis, Cuban, Venezuelan,…and many countries hardship under subversion and sanctions? Russophobia is just kid play. Not one protest. Its new migrants fault. US are exceptional, make ass great. EU countries are just similar.

    Now you know why the whole world see US as the biggest threat? Its Americans mentality! To wish a economic disaster destroying monstrous US is most compassionate way to spare everyone from a nuclear apocalypse.

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    Good post. Agree. Especially on how this US people calmly watches itself going to hell step by step.

    Add some more details, seems like things will go that way:
    - the more US troops near our borders and in Syria - more incidents on mutial presence in the same place
    - the more stupid accusations in millions of sins to Russia
    - more different sanctions targeted to personalities to intervene to our elections
    - lethal weapons in Ukrain and probably some alike actions from Russia.
    - attempts to get things harder in Ukrain (reintegration law) and Syria (border provocations and arming all the rubbish left from DAESH)
    - increase of military budget and arms race

    Where for God sake all this can lead us? Can you guess?
    Yes, only destroying this center of world evil can help, but this does not seem to be very likely

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  149. yurivku says:

    here is piece of shit by National Interest:

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/doomsday-why-war-russia-would-go-nuclear-kill-billions-24214

    good illustration of american sanity and quality of US propaganda

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  150. yurivku says:
    @anon
    Granpa, still all Potus are born raised in US soil. Nothing to do with new migrants, its the failed system, and US people either psychopathic or absolutely ignorant to vote in every war monger leaders in a row. Kissinger is just only one.

    Not a single protest ever raise by people when atrocious warssss are waging till this moment. But come to trivial things, LBGT or some abortion issues, people take to street in number, congressmen vehemently fighting for actions. Which means you and your elected reps are capable of fighting for own interest, yet don't give a damn to others lives.

    To elect murderers, and connive to their actions are tantamount to accomplices. Ever feel for Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans, Serbians, Ukrainian war suffering, North Koreans & Iranians living in existential destruction fear, Yemenis, Cuban, Venezuelan,...and many countries hardship under subversion and sanctions? Russophobia is just kid play. Not one protest. Its new migrants fault. US are exceptional, make ass great. EU countries are just similar.

    Now you know why the whole world see US as the biggest threat? Its Americans mentality! To wish a economic disaster destroying monstrous US is most compassionate way to spare everyone from a nuclear apocalypse.

    Good post. Agree. Especially on how this US people calmly watches itself going to hell step by step.

    Add some more details, seems like things will go that way:
    - the more US troops near our borders and in Syria – more incidents on mutial presence in the same place
    - the more stupid accusations in millions of sins to Russia
    - more different sanctions targeted to personalities to intervene to our elections
    - lethal weapons in Ukrain and probably some alike actions from Russia.
    – attempts to get things harder in Ukrain (reintegration law) and Syria (border provocations and arming all the rubbish left from DAESH)
    - increase of military budget and arms race

    Where for God sake all this can lead us? Can you guess?
    Yes, only destroying this center of world evil can help, but this does not seem to be very likely

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    Yankees only bully country without retaliation means, even Iran or North Korea prove too much for it. The moment Polar bear roar, Yankees will run away. China has a very good word for Yankees: Paper Tiger.

    Putin lacked that manly killing instinct to stop US harassment. Yankees has tested Russia in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Balkan, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria. Russia always blink his tearing eyes.

    US Pacific fleet commander little Jap Harry shrieking: "war start tonight" in SCS. Xi send in his little navy. Harry disappeared. Obama panicked into recovery mode.
    Trumps said: "what's wrong to call Taiwan pres". Xi refused to take his call. DT asked his granddaughter: "Go help Granpa apologize, sing Mandarin song in Chinese Embassy."

    NK Kim beats Trumps hands down.

    Trump: We will destroy whole NK. Fried it.

    NK : Its war declaration, we will shoot down US warplanes in international airspace as defense.

    WH panicked : Its absurb, we never declare war. All should abide UN law, no one should ever attack another sovereign nation in international space or water....US blink.

    Kim laughing: Ok, ok, Yankees my nuclear weapon testing finish, let's have some fun in SKorea winter Olympics now. Russia is banned, we are welcome.
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  151. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @yurivku

    Be consolated, everyone supported Russian against Russophobia,
     
    Don't think so, we are always were betrayed even by those we saved, like Bulgarians, yugoslavian, polish and others. Emperor Alexander III said: Russia has only two ally: its army and navy
    Now we can add and aerospace forces
    We can see world "support" for example in sports matters, sanctions etc. Well, we just getting angrier and do those three allies more powerful.

    Anything against sinophobia is a taboo getting tag as commie paid troll even by Russian like you.
     
    Sorry, did not get it, Sinophobia is a taboo or taboo is be against it?

    Don’t think so, we are always were betrayed even by those we saved… Emperor Alexander III said: Russia has only two ally: its army and navy
    Now we can add and aerospace forces
    We can see world “support” for example in sports matters, sanctions etc. Well, we just getting angrier and do those three allies more powerful.

    From all i know, most are supporting Russia including US & Nato people. Many got piss off by US terrorism Syria war, Wada/Olympics nonsense. Didn’t you see that steriod pump monstrous tennis player vs lovely Russian lady?

    Russia is excellent to counter Yankees monopolized propaganda war. RT is exposing Yankees smelly ass. So US frighten into screwing RT, run hysteria Russiophobia. Only Russky alone can poke Yankee eyes, ha.. ha..we just love it. See how Lavrov mock Nikki.

    Cheer up, you have to pay little price to stand up against bully, until others dare to join in to crush that idiot together. China already grow enough joining the fight.
    Military + Economy=Unconquerable.

    Sanction is godsend to help Putin restructure Russia economic finally, also good excuse to nationalize more oligarchy assets. Anyway, self sufficient Russia don’t care much on external trade, exchange rate, gdp figures..Western invented BS. Judge by your improved life quality.

    And Russia has proven its 1st class integrated military power with superior command & logistic control in Syria war we thought had gone with Soviet. Many are drooling on Ruskies weapon now.

    The more hysteria Yankees & lackeys bark, it means more fear. All are just harassment. No one will attack Russia, your button is biggest. Now get some good sleep and send us more good news about next poking Yankees ass.

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  152. yurivku says:

    That’s funny to read, thank you, but still we have only mentioned above friends. All these people of US and it’s asskissers counties are our friends only on theirs kitchens, no real help exist. I’m not complaining, we got used to it.

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  153. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @Toby Keith
    Ah, yes, Jews are just like anybody else. ...except for the fact that they have a highly codified written creed that commands unrestricted genocidal aggression against any People attempting to exercise self-determination in the face of global Judeo-supremacist hegemony.

    Anon from TN
    Most of the Jews and half-Jews I know are non-religious, whereas you are talking about religion. In fact, any religion, taken literally, is a written justification of atrocities against non-believers (or believers in a different fairy tale). This certainly applies 100% to Judaism, Christianity (all sects), Islam (all sects), Hinduism. Maybe Buddhism, Jaininsm, or Confucianism are exceptions, I don’t know enough about them.

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    Buddhism is no exception. Look at Myanmar (Burma). Genocidal militant Buddhists.
    , @Anon

    Maybe Buddhism, Jaininsm, or Confucianism are exceptions, I don’t know enough about them.
     
    From Buddhist Anon
    These are what I have learned about Buddhism and Confucianism, Taoism too, are all not religion, as they don't profess or believe in any creator god. So they don't need eliminate non believers, and only share with those desire to know and live in harmony with the mother Nature Law.

    Buddhism According to 2500BC ancient sacred texts of Theravada:

    A great human being arise in this world, determined to find the Truth of Nature Law, through many lifes of cultivating wisdom and qualities, he finally achieve Omniscient Perfect Enlightenment, realizing the Truth perfectly. He become another Buddha, means Self Awaken One. He is not a creator, nor god, just a superior beings achieving the highest wisdom and ability that a being can cultivate. And He preached the Truth for whoever wish to know, Four Noble Truths, Eight Noble Paths that can be systematically practise to cultivate the mind, leading to liberation from all sufferings.

    This Universal Truth Law is called Dhamma in Pali, a root language used in ancient Himalaya region. Nature Law works in a fixed law called Kamma( Cause & Effect). You do this cause, you get this effect, and this kammic force will accumulate over endless cycle of rebirths affecting existing cause to result in new effect for future. This explained the way why people are borned differently, Smart-Dumb, Rich-Poor, Nice-Ugly, Healthy-Sick,....(Not some quality control defects in creator production lines churning out some good some bad from birth, some unlucky one born in Syria get bomb, lucky one in Switzerland at peace. This help solve my puzzle when i attend church.)

    It also explained the multi dimensional world we are living with other beings in endless rebirth. Hell is lowest level deep under the earth. Animals & human, some low deities shared our ground level. Above there are multi levels of deities. Further up, multilevel of Brahma(Hindu believe as highest creator). Some beings in same dimension we can see, some we can't like ghost or deities in different dimension unless they wish to reveal themselves. Universe has no boundary, containing infinite similar world solar systems exactly like ours, aliens look like us with some quality variance, not some ET creatures flying to our earth with UFO(cannot happen while Buddhism still exist). The world systems will destroyed according to a fix rule(by extreme wind, or multiple suns heat, or extreme water), and reform again with another fix rule. There are black holes among world systems, like the space form when 3 bowls put together. These black holes are the special hells that don't get destroy like ordinary hells inside earth when the world systems destroyed. No lights can exist there except during certain occasions.

    It also explain how mind & materiality compose of in Abhidhamma.

    Materiality is make up of tiny particles called kalapa. Further breakdown, this tiny particle is make up of 8~11kinds of elements, like hardness, cohesiveness, temperature, vibration, color, nutriments,....(that explain what's inside the tiniest photon particle theory, its combination of various ultimate elements like energy, no real mass form substance).

    Mind has no form as its not material, depending on some blood inside our heart base to survive, it has combinations of different mind moments...complex but explain how mind work like superomputer programming, with this input combination, it generated this output combination after comparing with its memory(data base), hence output thinking, perceptions and generate actions movement. All in billionth of split sec speed no machines can measure. Only way to see them is by training your mind systematically through meditation to see them yourself(at similar speed).

    Confucianism is philosophy of life, based on cultivating virtues and ethics, emphasizing humanity, malevolent, and eventually attaining sainthood(no longer doing any unvirtue thing even alone unseen by others) complying with the highest nature law as they believe. In Buddhism, this only reach worldly virtue level but not real sainthood as the evils is suppressed but not cut off.

    Taoism is another philosophy, trying to explain that there is a Nature Law exist in univese working in a fixed pattern. It called this nature law as Tao. And teach how to live harmonizing with nature through understanding this Tao by observing the nature, not against nature. But it couldn't understand how this Law actually work, so it stop at there. This law is explained in Buddhism as the Law of Kamma.
    , @Toby Keith
    It has been said that Judaism is tribal law religionized. Indeed, after more than 4,000 years Jewish religion and culture are melded. Non-religious Jews are quite capable of prosecuting Talmudic violence, as Winston Churchill observed in the USSR, and as we ourselves observe in Gaza and the global genocide against Whites.

    The "Jews are just like everybody else." response is worn out like the Hasbara talking point it's taken from.
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  154. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @yurivku
    Good post. Agree. Especially on how this US people calmly watches itself going to hell step by step.

    Add some more details, seems like things will go that way:
    - the more US troops near our borders and in Syria - more incidents on mutial presence in the same place
    - the more stupid accusations in millions of sins to Russia
    - more different sanctions targeted to personalities to intervene to our elections
    - lethal weapons in Ukrain and probably some alike actions from Russia.
    - attempts to get things harder in Ukrain (reintegration law) and Syria (border provocations and arming all the rubbish left from DAESH)
    - increase of military budget and arms race

    Where for God sake all this can lead us? Can you guess?
    Yes, only destroying this center of world evil can help, but this does not seem to be very likely

    Yankees only bully country without retaliation means, even Iran or North Korea prove too much for it. The moment Polar bear roar, Yankees will run away. China has a very good word for Yankees: Paper Tiger.

    Putin lacked that manly killing instinct to stop US harassment. Yankees has tested Russia in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Balkan, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria. Russia always blink his tearing eyes.

    US Pacific fleet commander little Jap Harry shrieking: “war start tonight” in SCS. Xi send in his little navy. Harry disappeared. Obama panicked into recovery mode.
    Trumps said: “what’s wrong to call Taiwan pres”. Xi refused to take his call. DT asked his granddaughter: “Go help Granpa apologize, sing Mandarin song in Chinese Embassy.”

    NK Kim beats Trumps hands down.

    Trump: We will destroy whole NK. Fried it.

    NK : Its war declaration, we will shoot down US warplanes in international airspace as defense.

    WH panicked : Its absurb, we never declare war. All should abide UN law, no one should ever attack another sovereign nation in international space or water….US blink.

    Kim laughing: Ok, ok, Yankees my nuclear weapon testing finish, let’s have some fun in SKorea winter Olympics now. Russia is banned, we are welcome.

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    Putin lacked that manly killing instinct to stop US harassment. Yankees has tested Russia in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Balkan, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria. Russia always blink his tearing eyes.

     

    Partly I would agree with that. Here is just one little problem when dealing with a monkey who has a hand grenade.
    But yes, in many cases he sould have been tougher like it was in Crimea. Especially when it not leads to possible military clash like sports, sanctions, diplomatic property cases ...

    In military cases you know the price - doesn't matter what country you are writing from, probably you'll be destroyed as well as that monkey.
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  155. RobinG says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Most of the Jews and half-Jews I know are non-religious, whereas you are talking about religion. In fact, any religion, taken literally, is a written justification of atrocities against non-believers (or believers in a different fairy tale). This certainly applies 100% to Judaism, Christianity (all sects), Islam (all sects), Hinduism. Maybe Buddhism, Jaininsm, or Confucianism are exceptions, I don’t know enough about them.

    Buddhism is no exception. Look at Myanmar (Burma). Genocidal militant Buddhists.

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    Because you lack understanding of Buddhism. And you believe in msm propaganda spread by US & all its allies to sabotage the Myanmar and China OBOR.

    Here is one comment you may like to read:


    These Western leaders led by US are the team of evils behind the whole Myanmar Rohingya crisis. Haven’t you notice and wonder why a sudden intense outpouring of entire Western msm 24/7 reporting …with the USNato countries and their allied Muslim countries(Saudi and Turkey) gone hysteria overdrive in calling for UN immediate intervention, claiming the worst Genocide, Ethnic Cleansing of century? Ironically these are the same countries committing naked genocide directly or indirectly in Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Libya…without their usual “humanity”.

    Read these:
    1. Why US &Saudi is backing Rohingya suddenly

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-u-s-and-saudi-arabia-back-rohingya-in-myanmar/5613015

    2. Who is responsible for the direct killing

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-responsible-for-ethnic-cleansing-in-myanmar/5611486

    3. Rohingya pawns of US & Saudi.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-rohingya-of-myanmar-pawns-in-an-anglo-chinese-proxy-war-fought-by-saudi-jihadists/5607605

    I have traveled and lived in Myanmar for more than a decade, its a very peaceful and safe country so resource rich yet make so poor by decades of West sanction.

    The problem is people are brainwashed and fed with fake msm news the whole life, believing without ever travel to see themselves
     
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  156. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Most of the Jews and half-Jews I know are non-religious, whereas you are talking about religion. In fact, any religion, taken literally, is a written justification of atrocities against non-believers (or believers in a different fairy tale). This certainly applies 100% to Judaism, Christianity (all sects), Islam (all sects), Hinduism. Maybe Buddhism, Jaininsm, or Confucianism are exceptions, I don’t know enough about them.

    Maybe Buddhism, Jaininsm, or Confucianism are exceptions, I don’t know enough about them.

    From Buddhist Anon
    These are what I have learned about Buddhism and Confucianism, Taoism too, are all not religion, as they don’t profess or believe in any creator god. So they don’t need eliminate non believers, and only share with those desire to know and live in harmony with the mother Nature Law.

    Buddhism According to 2500BC ancient sacred texts of Theravada:

    [MORE]

    A great human being arise in this world, determined to find the Truth of Nature Law, through many lifes of cultivating wisdom and qualities, he finally achieve Omniscient Perfect Enlightenment, realizing the Truth perfectly. He become another Buddha, means Self Awaken One. He is not a creator, nor god, just a superior beings achieving the highest wisdom and ability that a being can cultivate. And He preached the Truth for whoever wish to know, Four Noble Truths, Eight Noble Paths that can be systematically practise to cultivate the mind, leading to liberation from all sufferings.

    This Universal Truth Law is called Dhamma in Pali, a root language used in ancient Himalaya region. Nature Law works in a fixed law called Kamma( Cause & Effect). You do this cause, you get this effect, and this kammic force will accumulate over endless cycle of rebirths affecting existing cause to result in new effect for future. This explained the way why people are borned differently, Smart-Dumb, Rich-Poor, Nice-Ugly, Healthy-Sick,….(Not some quality control defects in creator production lines churning out some good some bad from birth, some unlucky one born in Syria get bomb, lucky one in Switzerland at peace. This help solve my puzzle when i attend church.)

    It also explained the multi dimensional world we are living with other beings in endless rebirth. Hell is lowest level deep under the earth. Animals & human, some low deities shared our ground level. Above there are multi levels of deities. Further up, multilevel of Brahma(Hindu believe as highest creator). Some beings in same dimension we can see, some we can’t like ghost or deities in different dimension unless they wish to reveal themselves. Universe has no boundary, containing infinite similar world solar systems exactly like ours, aliens look like us with some quality variance, not some ET creatures flying to our earth with UFO(cannot happen while Buddhism still exist). The world systems will destroyed according to a fix rule(by extreme wind, or multiple suns heat, or extreme water), and reform again with another fix rule. There are black holes among world systems, like the space form when 3 bowls put together. These black holes are the special hells that don’t get destroy like ordinary hells inside earth when the world systems destroyed. No lights can exist there except during certain occasions.

    It also explain how mind & materiality compose of in Abhidhamma.

    Materiality is make up of tiny particles called kalapa. Further breakdown, this tiny particle is make up of 8~11kinds of elements, like hardness, cohesiveness, temperature, vibration, color, nutriments,….(that explain what’s inside the tiniest photon particle theory, its combination of various ultimate elements like energy, no real mass form substance).

    Mind has no form as its not material, depending on some blood inside our heart base to survive, it has combinations of different mind moments…complex but explain how mind work like superomputer programming, with this input combination, it generated this output combination after comparing with its memory(data base), hence output thinking, perceptions and generate actions movement. All in billionth of split sec speed no machines can measure. Only way to see them is by training your mind systematically through meditation to see them yourself(at similar speed).

    Confucianism is philosophy of life, based on cultivating virtues and ethics, emphasizing humanity, malevolent, and eventually attaining sainthood(no longer doing any unvirtue thing even alone unseen by others) complying with the highest nature law as they believe. In Buddhism, this only reach worldly virtue level but not real sainthood as the evils is suppressed but not cut off.

    Taoism is another philosophy, trying to explain that there is a Nature Law exist in univese working in a fixed pattern. It called this nature law as Tao. And teach how to live harmonizing with nature through understanding this Tao by observing the nature, not against nature. But it couldn’t understand how this Law actually work, so it stop at there. This law is explained in Buddhism as the Law of Kamma.

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  157. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @RobinG
    Buddhism is no exception. Look at Myanmar (Burma). Genocidal militant Buddhists.

    Because you lack understanding of Buddhism. And you believe in msm propaganda spread by US & all its allies to sabotage the Myanmar and China OBOR.

    Here is one comment you may like to read:

    These Western leaders led by US are the team of evils behind the whole Myanmar Rohingya crisis. Haven’t you notice and wonder why a sudden intense outpouring of entire Western msm 24/7 reporting …with the USNato countries and their allied Muslim countries(Saudi and Turkey) gone hysteria overdrive in calling for UN immediate intervention, claiming the worst Genocide, Ethnic Cleansing of century? Ironically these are the same countries committing naked genocide directly or indirectly in Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Libya…without their usual “humanity”.

    Read these:
    1. Why US &Saudi is backing Rohingya suddenly

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-u-s-and-saudi-arabia-back-rohingya-in-myanmar/5613015

    2. Who is responsible for the direct killing

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-responsible-for-ethnic-cleansing-in-myanmar/5611486

    3. Rohingya pawns of US & Saudi.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-rohingya-of-myanmar-pawns-in-an-anglo-chinese-proxy-war-fought-by-saudi-jihadists/5607605

    I have traveled and lived in Myanmar for more than a decade, its a very peaceful and safe country so resource rich yet make so poor by decades of West sanction.

    The problem is people are brainwashed and fed with fake msm news the whole life, believing without ever travel to see themselves

    .

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    "....msm propaganda ..."

    You've gotta be kidding. They've been hiding this as much as they could. Kinda like Yemen.
    , @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Well, regarding your conversation with RobinG.
    I am very skeptical about Western MSM: they lie 80% of the time and twist the truth beyond recognition the remaining 20%. The stories appear in all of them (remember alleged Serbian genocide of Kosovars, alleged Sudanese crimes in Darfur, allegedly bombed hospitals in Aleppo, the crash of MH-17 over Donbass, etc), and then disappear simultaneously, when the lies cannot be sustained any more and the truth cannot be told, as it’s against the interests of their owners. Still, there appears to be genuine human suffering in Myanmar (Burma), and Rohingya appear to be fleeing in thousands. Bangladesh confirmed that, sort of. What part of that is true, and what’s the real story there?
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  158. RobinG says:
    @Anon
    Because you lack understanding of Buddhism. And you believe in msm propaganda spread by US & all its allies to sabotage the Myanmar and China OBOR.

    Here is one comment you may like to read:


    These Western leaders led by US are the team of evils behind the whole Myanmar Rohingya crisis. Haven’t you notice and wonder why a sudden intense outpouring of entire Western msm 24/7 reporting …with the USNato countries and their allied Muslim countries(Saudi and Turkey) gone hysteria overdrive in calling for UN immediate intervention, claiming the worst Genocide, Ethnic Cleansing of century? Ironically these are the same countries committing naked genocide directly or indirectly in Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Libya…without their usual “humanity”.

    Read these:
    1. Why US &Saudi is backing Rohingya suddenly

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-u-s-and-saudi-arabia-back-rohingya-in-myanmar/5613015

    2. Who is responsible for the direct killing

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-responsible-for-ethnic-cleansing-in-myanmar/5611486

    3. Rohingya pawns of US & Saudi.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-rohingya-of-myanmar-pawns-in-an-anglo-chinese-proxy-war-fought-by-saudi-jihadists/5607605

    I have traveled and lived in Myanmar for more than a decade, its a very peaceful and safe country so resource rich yet make so poor by decades of West sanction.

    The problem is people are brainwashed and fed with fake msm news the whole life, believing without ever travel to see themselves
     
    .

    “….msm propaganda …”

    You’ve gotta be kidding. They’ve been hiding this as much as they could. Kinda like Yemen.

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  159. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @Anon
    Because you lack understanding of Buddhism. And you believe in msm propaganda spread by US & all its allies to sabotage the Myanmar and China OBOR.

    Here is one comment you may like to read:


    These Western leaders led by US are the team of evils behind the whole Myanmar Rohingya crisis. Haven’t you notice and wonder why a sudden intense outpouring of entire Western msm 24/7 reporting …with the USNato countries and their allied Muslim countries(Saudi and Turkey) gone hysteria overdrive in calling for UN immediate intervention, claiming the worst Genocide, Ethnic Cleansing of century? Ironically these are the same countries committing naked genocide directly or indirectly in Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Libya…without their usual “humanity”.

    Read these:
    1. Why US &Saudi is backing Rohingya suddenly

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-u-s-and-saudi-arabia-back-rohingya-in-myanmar/5613015

    2. Who is responsible for the direct killing

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-responsible-for-ethnic-cleansing-in-myanmar/5611486

    3. Rohingya pawns of US & Saudi.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-rohingya-of-myanmar-pawns-in-an-anglo-chinese-proxy-war-fought-by-saudi-jihadists/5607605

    I have traveled and lived in Myanmar for more than a decade, its a very peaceful and safe country so resource rich yet make so poor by decades of West sanction.

    The problem is people are brainwashed and fed with fake msm news the whole life, believing without ever travel to see themselves
     
    .

    Anon from TN
    Well, regarding your conversation with RobinG.
    I am very skeptical about Western MSM: they lie 80% of the time and twist the truth beyond recognition the remaining 20%. The stories appear in all of them (remember alleged Serbian genocide of Kosovars, alleged Sudanese crimes in Darfur, allegedly bombed hospitals in Aleppo, the crash of MH-17 over Donbass, etc), and then disappear simultaneously, when the lies cannot be sustained any more and the truth cannot be told, as it’s against the interests of their owners. Still, there appears to be genuine human suffering in Myanmar (Burma), and Rohingya appear to be fleeing in thousands. Bangladesh confirmed that, sort of. What part of that is true, and what’s the real story there?

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    Still, there appears to be genuine human suffering in Myanmar (Burma), and Rohingya appear to be fleeing in thousands. Bangladesh confirmed that, sort of. What part of that is true, and what’s the real story there?
     
    Sure there is much sufferings among both Buddhists and Muslims villagers.

    Myanmar people all don't recognized Rohingya after their government census, after recognizing hundreds of minority ethnics, because no such Rohingya ethnic exist. Its a newly created name to sound like they are ethnic from Rakkhaine, which US use for propaganda.

    [History] what i read & heard from locals too
    Originally they came from Bangladesh, known as Chittagong tribe which Bangladesh themselves fear of, as illegal migrants. Myanmar people called them Bengali. They don't speak Burmese, only their Bengali.

    During British imperialism time, many were brought in by British equipped with guns to slaughter Rakkhaine people to colonize Myanmar. They then settled there. So local Rakkhaine ethnic people dislike them. After independent, Bengali continue to flood in, mass multiplying. Myanmar gov tried to push all back to Bangladesh in 1960's, but UN persuaded them not to. This create much tension between local Rakkhaine minority ethnic and illegal Bengalis.

    Muslim Rohingya start killing Rakkhaine Buddhists villagers. Buddhists villagers fight back, so forming vicious cycle. But can't classified both as militants as all have no guns or trained. Just knifes clashing and hatred affairs.

    Then last year self declared Bengali Terrorists borned in and trained by Saudi arabia /Pakistan came attacked police posts in hundreds, killing many police and villagers, took weapons hide in forest. So Myanmar army sent in to clear them out. During this counter insurgency, hundreds of thousands Rohingya fled to Bangladesh. Terrorists killed all, Buddhists and Hindus whatever. May be own Muslims too to create refugees like Syria case? Army may take this chance to push back illegal Bengalis.

    Then out of nowhere Western msm goes turbo 24/7 hyping ethnic cleansing. All US & lackeys go hysteria demand UN emergency action, All USAid NGO pour in, UN assigned SKorean Yankees Lee to find faults..huh facts..need protect Muslim ethnic, got terrorists, US special force is ready to help..set up base...another Syria textbook scripts.

    Why? Rakkhaine had discovered much Oil and Gas. Korean and China invested. China layed pipes to start pumping back. This also serve as bypassing Malacca Straits strangled hold that USN used to threaten China. It also act as OBOR nodes for connecting access to Indian Ocean. Once pipe done, Yankees gone frenzy...read those Globalresearch reports, very detailed and quite similar to ground info.

    But likely US strategy backfired because Aungsan Sukee gov is US supported. If US push too far, their supported gov may fall. If Sukee support US Rohingya, she will lost most Myanmar voters including her party base. China take the chance, offer help to Myanmar & Bangladesh to resolve crisis, extend OBOR, develop Rakkhaine to bring economy hence all can co-live happily. Now US don't allow Rohingya to return. Its a time bomb awaiting.

    India Assam has ten of millions same Bengalis, they are pushing them back now. India Hindu is real ruthless, this will dwarf Rohingya crisis.
    , @polskijoe
    the biggest problems with Western media:

    most of their talk on foreign policy is fake news.
    inside their own countries like US, its Republican Democrat Republican Democrat and repeat.
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  160. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Well, regarding your conversation with RobinG.
    I am very skeptical about Western MSM: they lie 80% of the time and twist the truth beyond recognition the remaining 20%. The stories appear in all of them (remember alleged Serbian genocide of Kosovars, alleged Sudanese crimes in Darfur, allegedly bombed hospitals in Aleppo, the crash of MH-17 over Donbass, etc), and then disappear simultaneously, when the lies cannot be sustained any more and the truth cannot be told, as it’s against the interests of their owners. Still, there appears to be genuine human suffering in Myanmar (Burma), and Rohingya appear to be fleeing in thousands. Bangladesh confirmed that, sort of. What part of that is true, and what’s the real story there?

    Still, there appears to be genuine human suffering in Myanmar (Burma), and Rohingya appear to be fleeing in thousands. Bangladesh confirmed that, sort of. What part of that is true, and what’s the real story there?

    Sure there is much sufferings among both Buddhists and Muslims villagers.

    Myanmar people all don’t recognized Rohingya after their government census, after recognizing hundreds of minority ethnics, because no such Rohingya ethnic exist. Its a newly created name to sound like they are ethnic from Rakkhaine, which US use for propaganda.

    [History] what i read & heard from locals too
    Originally they came from Bangladesh, known as Chittagong tribe which Bangladesh themselves fear of, as illegal migrants. Myanmar people called them Bengali. They don’t speak Burmese, only their Bengali.

    During British imperialism time, many were brought in by British equipped with guns to slaughter Rakkhaine people to colonize Myanmar. They then settled there. So local Rakkhaine ethnic people dislike them. After independent, Bengali continue to flood in, mass multiplying. Myanmar gov tried to push all back to Bangladesh in 1960′s, but UN persuaded them not to. This create much tension between local Rakkhaine minority ethnic and illegal Bengalis.

    Muslim Rohingya start killing Rakkhaine Buddhists villagers. Buddhists villagers fight back, so forming vicious cycle. But can’t classified both as militants as all have no guns or trained. Just knifes clashing and hatred affairs.

    Then last year self declared Bengali Terrorists borned in and trained by Saudi arabia /Pakistan came attacked police posts in hundreds, killing many police and villagers, took weapons hide in forest. So Myanmar army sent in to clear them out. During this counter insurgency, hundreds of thousands Rohingya fled to Bangladesh. Terrorists killed all, Buddhists and Hindus whatever. May be own Muslims too to create refugees like Syria case? Army may take this chance to push back illegal Bengalis.

    Then out of nowhere Western msm goes turbo 24/7 hyping ethnic cleansing. All US & lackeys go hysteria demand UN emergency action, All USAid NGO pour in, UN assigned SKorean Yankees Lee to find faults..huh facts..need protect Muslim ethnic, got terrorists, US special force is ready to help..set up base…another Syria textbook scripts.

    Why? Rakkhaine had discovered much Oil and Gas. Korean and China invested. China layed pipes to start pumping back. This also serve as bypassing Malacca Straits strangled hold that USN used to threaten China. It also act as OBOR nodes for connecting access to Indian Ocean. Once pipe done, Yankees gone frenzy…read those Globalresearch reports, very detailed and quite similar to ground info.

    But likely US strategy backfired because Aungsan Sukee gov is US supported. If US push too far, their supported gov may fall. If Sukee support US Rohingya, she will lost most Myanmar voters including her party base. China take the chance, offer help to Myanmar & Bangladesh to resolve crisis, extend OBOR, develop Rakkhaine to bring economy hence all can co-live happily. Now US don’t allow Rohingya to return. Its a time bomb awaiting.

    India Assam has ten of millions same Bengalis, they are pushing them back now. India Hindu is real ruthless, this will dwarf Rohingya crisis.

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  161. @jilles dykstra
    If you're prepared to eat insects, indeed not.

    Ohhhh good grief,

    insects are diets in some of the least populated areas on the planet . . .deserts, jungles, remote Islands, various mountain regions. Apparently even whites are known to have a bite or two.

    Casting the eating of insects as a last resort and a sign of desperation lending credence to the domms day scenarios is is funny, but hardly a sound rational

    https://blog.travefy.com/2014/10/tastes-like-chicken-5-insect-delicacies-will-gross/

    https://www.mapsofworld.com/travel/blog/travel-tips/5-restaurants-around-the-world-that-serve-insects-as-delicacies

    http://time.com/5036216/finland-bread-insects-crickets-hunger/

    Hunger around the world is largely a problem of food distribution and management, not a food shortage. Even in the US the fear mongering about food shortage is common. There are people bent on using fear to advance their agenda.

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/09/23/food-shortage-security.aspx

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/shortages-is-the-world-really-running-out-of-food-water-and-oil

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  162. lavoisier says: • Website
    @yurivku
    That's describing your bloody society quite well

    But I think you go too far about peaceful cities in Tojo’s Japan in World War II.
     
    It doesn't bother you that you have killed tens an hundreds of thousands of peaceful people. Really peaceful, probaly there were few hundreds or even thouthands of militaries among them. But you've killed peaceful people and still persit it was right.
    Yes Japanese were criminals that time, but it does not mean that you can kill childs and women, but you did and so you are criminal even worse than your enemy.

    You did it in Japan and than in many other places like Serbia, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Syria and many others and still people like you feel no responcibility for that.
    That's why your country is world scale criminal.

    Moreover you trying to blame everyboby but youself in military crimes while real criminal old-offender is USA and its people.

    You can say that Haley is Indian not American, McCain probably Irish and so on - but no, - everyone of you should be responcible for crimes of your country.

    That is not fair, any more than every Japanese civilian is responsible for the rape of Nanking.

    I do not support the wars by the US being waged on the behalf of Israel in the Middle East.

    I do not support the leaders of my government who instigated those wars.

    I think Bush and Cheney should be tried for war crimes, and I think the entire neo-conservative cabal should go to jail for their lies and treachery.

    Not all Americans are on board with the waging of endless wars. And more and more of us are waking up to the reality that our country is fighting wars on behalf of Israel that are not in our interest.

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    That is not fair, any more than every Japanese civilian is responsible for the rape of Nanking.
     
    That's a reason for me to consider US and its people to be criminals. No word of sorry - just nuked couple of hundreds of thousands and no problem. They were guilty in Nankin (your words).

    But you guilty in Vietnam (orange, Songmi), Korea, Serbia ......... even carpet bombing of Dresden - you are certainly are barbarians. Do you deserve to be nuked for that? Let us ruin NY & LA, there are a lot of people who deserve to be punished?

    I do despise your bloody country and yes, it should be destroyed.

    If you could you no doubt destroyed Moscow and St.Petersburg, but you can fight only with a weak opponent. And only because of that the world still exists. Yet.
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  163. Miro23 says:
    @Beckow

    Israel alone doesn’t have the power to take on Iran and Russia
     
    With Iran I agree, it seems an irrational obsession. But I have not seen much anti-Russia (direct) moves from Israel. If anything, they seem quite chummy. Sure, they were on opposite sides in Syria and Ukraine, but officially there isn't anything like US or EU hostility against Russia from Israel. They trade, visit, invest, etc...

    It is also hard to believe that Washington, London, Berlin or Brussels are not independent players. They are maybe used somewhat, but all of them have age-old agendas in both Middle East and Eastern Europe. Or France - they have been at the forefront of both the attack on Syria, and have enthusiastically poured oil on the Ukraine conflict. I would hold French accountable, the 'they were just puppets of Zionists' is too easy and it makes countries not responsible for what they do.

    My view is that if Berlin is messing with Ukraine, sending soldiers to the Russian border, inventing and forcing sanctions, it is their decision and ultimately German responsibility. Even blaming just Merkel is silly - it is the elite consensus among Germans, and the elites are presumably representing what Germans want, especially after a few relatively democratic electoral cycles. I know it hard to look into the mirror and see that it is actually the common people in those countries who are responsible, but it is closer to the truth than looking for reasons elsewhere.

    With Iran I agree, it seems an irrational obsession. But I have not seen much anti-Russia (direct) moves from Israel. If anything, they seem quite chummy. Sure, they were on opposite sides in Syria and Ukraine, but officially there isn’t anything like US or EU hostility against Russia from Israel. They trade, visit, invest, etc…

    Except that the US media are the faithful voice of militant Zionism. They are hard core Likudniks (i.e. don’t even represent most Jews or Israelis) and there’s nothing accidental about the intense media focus on “Russian Hacking”.

    It’s a highly coordinated propaganda move that has nothing to do with the facts, the same as the WMD story that blanketed the US media at the time, or the instant and perfectly formed 9/11 “Arab Terrorist” story that the media were trumpeting almost from the moment the planes hit the towers – no investigation necessary.

    Following this line of thinking, the US population is once again being prepared (set up) – this time for something involving Russia. I don’t know what it is, but it’s certainly designed to augment US Zionist power, and it’s a highly dangerous piece of lunacy that isn’t going to benefit the US or Russian public.

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    US population is once again being prepared (set up) – this time for something involving Russia. I don’t know what it is
     
    There might be some irrational motivations in it, but my guess is that the objective is not a war, but an attempt to crush the Russian economy. Or at least to slow down its growth. It isn't working, so we see the constant escalation by the West.

    If we get a war (or any kinetic conflict), it will be because the primary economic goal is failing and the escalation gets out of hand. That's why Kremlin's constant refrain is 'keep calm, don't over-react'. It might not work in the long run, there are always red lines.

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  164. @EliteCommInc.
    Hmmmmm,


    for the time being, I do that votes count. And I remain unconvinced that any of the republican candidates could have beaten Sec Clinton. Since they were all essentially on her page, the default position would have been --

    it's a woman's turn. But candidate Trump change that equation by essentially holding the entire pool to scrutiny as one cabal .

    Our republic is under fire, but its not dead yet.

    Yes, I agree that it ain’t quite dead yet. It is in mortal danger though, at the very least, IMO.

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  165. Miro23 says:
    @Kiza
    I have this image from Western movies of a cowboy trying the cross a desert and he survives but his horse dies in the process. The cowboy is Israel and the horse is the US. The US horse has been flogged too much (for money and blood) and it is close to expiring in financial fireworks. But if it does what will the cowboy/parasite do, where to find another host and quickly? Will the Arabs manage to unite and wipe off Israel from the map when the host/horse dies?

    I honestly cannot understand the parasite which kills its host, honestly! No use-in-moderation policy at all and they claim that they have the highest IQ.

    I honestly cannot understand the parasite which kills its host,

    It’s not really “killing the host”. It’s more having absolute power with maximum exploitation. There’s plenty more to exploit in the US, and this particular horse is starting to kick over the traces (electing Donald Trump), so it needs a tighter harness and more whip.

    For example, the Russians under Bolshevism had every aspect of their lives controlled. Their economic output was 100% appropriated by the state, and in return they got the minimum of bad food and shelter need to survive (i.e. they were enslaved) + they got the death penalty for any criticism of their Jewish masters (which was the first law that Uliánov (Lenin), Bronstein (Trotsky), Apfelbaum (Zinoviev) and Rosenfeld (Kamenev) passed on gaining absolute power).

    Unfortunately for them (20 years later), they were all murdered/executed by Stalin along with most of the other Bolshevik Jewish leaders (apart from Lenin who died soon after they came to power in 1917) and Stalin appropriated their system developing his own repressive cult of personality.

    Plenty of Americans are supporting the Neo-Bolshevik PC agenda, in the same way that the fashionable pre WWI ethnic Russian intelligencia supported Bolshevik activism (inevitable “social progress”, “modern thinking”. “progressiveness” etc) although they were in fact surprised to discover that they, (the “useful idiots”), were the first to be liquidated when the Bolsheviks attained absolute power.

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  166. @Harold Smith
    "Best hope is their people wake up to their basic decent sense they long lost, overthrow their entire government, elect accountable technocrats to lead and start living prudently that a sane nation should."

    A spiritual revival? Of course that will never happen because "the people" of the U.S. are just too corrupt. Years of brainwashing and calculated moral degeneracy have taken their toll. He's right: something like a catastrophic economic collapse in the U.S. might be the best thing for the world.

    That is a good analogy. Israel is the perfect example of the Southern saying: “He would ride a free horse to death”. It’s as though the Israelis don’t even realize that they are going to be destroyed by the rest of the world eventually. No people in history has ever gotten away with the kind of shit that Israel has been doing.

    Eventually, the world will be united in their disgust at them and will isolate and then destroy this bunch of lunatics.

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  167. yurivku says:
    @lavoisier
    That is not fair, any more than every Japanese civilian is responsible for the rape of Nanking.

    I do not support the wars by the US being waged on the behalf of Israel in the Middle East.

    I do not support the leaders of my government who instigated those wars.

    I think Bush and Cheney should be tried for war crimes, and I think the entire neo-conservative cabal should go to jail for their lies and treachery.

    Not all Americans are on board with the waging of endless wars. And more and more of us are waking up to the reality that our country is fighting wars on behalf of Israel that are not in our interest.

    That is not fair, any more than every Japanese civilian is responsible for the rape of Nanking.

    That’s a reason for me to consider US and its people to be criminals. No word of sorry – just nuked couple of hundreds of thousands and no problem. They were guilty in Nankin (your words).

    But you guilty in Vietnam (orange, Songmi), Korea, Serbia ……… even carpet bombing of Dresden – you are certainly are barbarians. Do you deserve to be nuked for that? Let us ruin NY & LA, there are a lot of people who deserve to be punished?

    I do despise your bloody country and yes, it should be destroyed.

    If you could you no doubt destroyed Moscow and St.Petersburg, but you can fight only with a weak opponent. And only because of that the world still exists. Yet.

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    I do despise your bloody country and yes, it should be destroyed.
     
    Not much nuance in that statement! Sounds a bit like the kind of thinking that turns one into a mass murderer.

    And to be clear, I have always thought dropping an atomic bomb on a civilian population in Japan was an abomination--as was the fire bombing of Dresden.

    Blood libel is a bad thing to get involved in Yurivku.
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  168. yurivku says:
    @Anon
    Yankees only bully country without retaliation means, even Iran or North Korea prove too much for it. The moment Polar bear roar, Yankees will run away. China has a very good word for Yankees: Paper Tiger.

    Putin lacked that manly killing instinct to stop US harassment. Yankees has tested Russia in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Balkan, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria. Russia always blink his tearing eyes.

    US Pacific fleet commander little Jap Harry shrieking: "war start tonight" in SCS. Xi send in his little navy. Harry disappeared. Obama panicked into recovery mode.
    Trumps said: "what's wrong to call Taiwan pres". Xi refused to take his call. DT asked his granddaughter: "Go help Granpa apologize, sing Mandarin song in Chinese Embassy."

    NK Kim beats Trumps hands down.

    Trump: We will destroy whole NK. Fried it.

    NK : Its war declaration, we will shoot down US warplanes in international airspace as defense.

    WH panicked : Its absurb, we never declare war. All should abide UN law, no one should ever attack another sovereign nation in international space or water....US blink.

    Kim laughing: Ok, ok, Yankees my nuclear weapon testing finish, let's have some fun in SKorea winter Olympics now. Russia is banned, we are welcome.

    Putin lacked that manly killing instinct to stop US harassment. Yankees has tested Russia in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Balkan, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria. Russia always blink his tearing eyes.

    Partly I would agree with that. Here is just one little problem when dealing with a monkey who has a hand grenade.
    But yes, in many cases he sould have been tougher like it was in Crimea. Especially when it not leads to possible military clash like sports, sanctions, diplomatic property cases …

    In military cases you know the price – doesn’t matter what country you are writing from, probably you’ll be destroyed as well as that monkey.

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    In military cases you know the price – doesn’t matter what country you are writing from, probably you’ll be destroyed as well as that monkey.
     
    That's the catch, Yankees know Russia well, so monkey is threatening with its grenade happily. But monkey fear death more than anyone. Because Yankees life is very expensive, its deep states not ready to die with its great wealth. China, NKorea, Iran see through, they always ask: "hey Monkey, pull the safety pin pls." Monkey blink blink blink. Trumps & his clowns, Tillerson, Mattis,... they aren't gonna die for America.

    (Soviet)Russia has declared far too many redlines with its dear US partner, but never carry out single one, so Yankees don't give a damn. A man who does as he said, his friends or foes heed his word carefully.

    China declared the day Yankees warship arrive Taiwan is the day of liberation. Story end, Yankees knew well what it means in last Korea war, it not going to die for Taiwan.

    Anyhow, the day Putin kept Snowden, he already knew there is a price to pay. Xi knew its money losing deal, so he let go.
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  169. lavoisier says: • Website
    @yurivku

    That is not fair, any more than every Japanese civilian is responsible for the rape of Nanking.
     
    That's a reason for me to consider US and its people to be criminals. No word of sorry - just nuked couple of hundreds of thousands and no problem. They were guilty in Nankin (your words).

    But you guilty in Vietnam (orange, Songmi), Korea, Serbia ......... even carpet bombing of Dresden - you are certainly are barbarians. Do you deserve to be nuked for that? Let us ruin NY & LA, there are a lot of people who deserve to be punished?

    I do despise your bloody country and yes, it should be destroyed.

    If you could you no doubt destroyed Moscow and St.Petersburg, but you can fight only with a weak opponent. And only because of that the world still exists. Yet.

    I do despise your bloody country and yes, it should be destroyed.

    Not much nuance in that statement! Sounds a bit like the kind of thinking that turns one into a mass murderer.

    And to be clear, I have always thought dropping an atomic bomb on a civilian population in Japan was an abomination–as was the fire bombing of Dresden.

    Blood libel is a bad thing to get involved in Yurivku.

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    Not much nuance in that statement! Sounds a bit like the kind of thinking that turns one into a mass murderer.

     

    I gave arguments. They show that your state is world criminal. Try to argue.
    What make some more fun here - US trying to blame anybody (Russia on 1st place) for crimes.
    What should I think of people voting for McCain, Clintons< Bushes ... who's being representing by imbeciles like N.Haley ?
    Well, and me and many others think that.

    And to be clear, I have always thought dropping an atomic bomb on a civilian population in Japan was an abomination–as was the fire bombing of Dresden.
     
    And to be clear any normal human should consider it to be horrible crime. But this not the case in US, you still even not apologize.
    Do we have to nuke you for that? Are you any better those Japanese who you burned out and many others?

    I can't say any good about it, sorry lavoisier
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  170. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @yurivku

    Putin lacked that manly killing instinct to stop US harassment. Yankees has tested Russia in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Balkan, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria. Russia always blink his tearing eyes.

     

    Partly I would agree with that. Here is just one little problem when dealing with a monkey who has a hand grenade.
    But yes, in many cases he sould have been tougher like it was in Crimea. Especially when it not leads to possible military clash like sports, sanctions, diplomatic property cases ...

    In military cases you know the price - doesn't matter what country you are writing from, probably you'll be destroyed as well as that monkey.

    In military cases you know the price – doesn’t matter what country you are writing from, probably you’ll be destroyed as well as that monkey.

    That’s the catch, Yankees know Russia well, so monkey is threatening with its grenade happily. But monkey fear death more than anyone. Because Yankees life is very expensive, its deep states not ready to die with its great wealth. China, NKorea, Iran see through, they always ask: “hey Monkey, pull the safety pin pls.” Monkey blink blink blink. Trumps & his clowns, Tillerson, Mattis,… they aren’t gonna die for America.

    (Soviet)Russia has declared far too many redlines with its dear US partner, but never carry out single one, so Yankees don’t give a damn. A man who does as he said, his friends or foes heed his word carefully.

    China declared the day Yankees warship arrive Taiwan is the day of liberation. Story end, Yankees knew well what it means in last Korea war, it not going to die for Taiwan.

    Anyhow, the day Putin kept Snowden, he already knew there is a price to pay. Xi knew its money losing deal, so he let go.

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  171. yurivku says:
    @lavoisier

    I do despise your bloody country and yes, it should be destroyed.
     
    Not much nuance in that statement! Sounds a bit like the kind of thinking that turns one into a mass murderer.

    And to be clear, I have always thought dropping an atomic bomb on a civilian population in Japan was an abomination--as was the fire bombing of Dresden.

    Blood libel is a bad thing to get involved in Yurivku.

    Not much nuance in that statement! Sounds a bit like the kind of thinking that turns one into a mass murderer.

    I gave arguments. They show that your state is world criminal. Try to argue.
    What make some more fun here – US trying to blame anybody (Russia on 1st place) for crimes.
    What should I think of people voting for McCain, Clintons< Bushes … who's being representing by imbeciles like N.Haley ?
    Well, and me and many others think that.

    And to be clear, I have always thought dropping an atomic bomb on a civilian population in Japan was an abomination–as was the fire bombing of Dresden.

    And to be clear any normal human should consider it to be horrible crime. But this not the case in US, you still even not apologize.
    Do we have to nuke you for that? Are you any better those Japanese who you burned out and many others?

    I can’t say any good about it, sorry lavoisier

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  172. Beckow says:
    @Miro23

    With Iran I agree, it seems an irrational obsession. But I have not seen much anti-Russia (direct) moves from Israel. If anything, they seem quite chummy. Sure, they were on opposite sides in Syria and Ukraine, but officially there isn’t anything like US or EU hostility against Russia from Israel. They trade, visit, invest, etc…
     
    Except that the US media are the faithful voice of militant Zionism. They are hard core Likudniks (i.e. don't even represent most Jews or Israelis) and there's nothing accidental about the intense media focus on "Russian Hacking".

    It's a highly coordinated propaganda move that has nothing to do with the facts, the same as the WMD story that blanketed the US media at the time, or the instant and perfectly formed 9/11 "Arab Terrorist" story that the media were trumpeting almost from the moment the planes hit the towers - no investigation necessary.

    Following this line of thinking, the US population is once again being prepared (set up) - this time for something involving Russia. I don't know what it is, but it's certainly designed to augment US Zionist power, and it's a highly dangerous piece of lunacy that isn't going to benefit the US or Russian public.

    US population is once again being prepared (set up) – this time for something involving Russia. I don’t know what it is

    There might be some irrational motivations in it, but my guess is that the objective is not a war, but an attempt to crush the Russian economy. Or at least to slow down its growth. It isn’t working, so we see the constant escalation by the West.

    If we get a war (or any kinetic conflict), it will be because the primary economic goal is failing and the escalation gets out of hand. That’s why Kremlin’s constant refrain is ‘keep calm, don’t over-react’. It might not work in the long run, there are always red lines.

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    There might be some irrational motivations in it, but my guess is that the objective is not a war, but an attempt to crush the Russian economy.
     
    You're an optimist. Zionist targets are the physical destruction of Syria and Iran, and they have a good record of getting what they want out of the US (for example the destruction of Iraq and Libya). There's a strong antipathy towards Putin for terminating their Khodorkovsky project , and against Trump for finishing with the Clintons, but the whole "Russian hacking" thing seems to be a separate piece of planned and coordinated deception.

    For example, the US media were fully primed and ready for 9/11 and almost fell over each other to instantly explain the full Al Qaeda "Arab Terrorist" story, without the slightest investigation or doubt regarding events. 9/11 was a large and complex operation, and the planners weren't going to leave the media side to chance. The event had to be "interpreted" quickly and correctly, with the propaganda set to full volume.

    And previously, a lot of effort went into subverting government agencies to produce the fake WMD story, propagandize it, and set up the US public to react correctly to 9/11.

    The same process is in play now, with the full volume demonization of Russia, so the assumption is that the US public is being prepared to "react correctly" to some major Zionist created crisis dragging the US into conflict with Russia.

    One unlikely possibility, would be a USS Liberty type attack with supposedly Russian aircraft attacking some US assets , with the aim being to panic the US military into a Syrian ground war against Russia/Assad/Iran - although it's very doubtful that the target would be Russia itself, and the whole thing doesn't make much sense.

    Alternatively their friends may just be planning a crisis to enable the wholesale appropriation of Russian assets in the West - of which there are plenty. The test run in Cyprus went well.

    One way or the other, the US public is surely being set up for a Russia Crisis.

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  173. Miro23 says:
    @Beckow

    US population is once again being prepared (set up) – this time for something involving Russia. I don’t know what it is
     
    There might be some irrational motivations in it, but my guess is that the objective is not a war, but an attempt to crush the Russian economy. Or at least to slow down its growth. It isn't working, so we see the constant escalation by the West.

    If we get a war (or any kinetic conflict), it will be because the primary economic goal is failing and the escalation gets out of hand. That's why Kremlin's constant refrain is 'keep calm, don't over-react'. It might not work in the long run, there are always red lines.

    There might be some irrational motivations in it, but my guess is that the objective is not a war, but an attempt to crush the Russian economy.

    You’re an optimist. Zionist targets are the physical destruction of Syria and Iran, and they have a good record of getting what they want out of the US (for example the destruction of Iraq and Libya). There’s a strong antipathy towards Putin for terminating their Khodorkovsky project , and against Trump for finishing with the Clintons, but the whole “Russian hacking” thing seems to be a separate piece of planned and coordinated deception.

    For example, the US media were fully primed and ready for 9/11 and almost fell over each other to instantly explain the full Al Qaeda “Arab Terrorist” story, without the slightest investigation or doubt regarding events. 9/11 was a large and complex operation, and the planners weren’t going to leave the media side to chance. The event had to be “interpreted” quickly and correctly, with the propaganda set to full volume.

    And previously, a lot of effort went into subverting government agencies to produce the fake WMD story, propagandize it, and set up the US public to react correctly to 9/11.

    The same process is in play now, with the full volume demonization of Russia, so the assumption is that the US public is being prepared to “react correctly” to some major Zionist created crisis dragging the US into conflict with Russia.

    One unlikely possibility, would be a USS Liberty type attack with supposedly Russian aircraft attacking some US assets , with the aim being to panic the US military into a Syrian ground war against Russia/Assad/Iran – although it’s very doubtful that the target would be Russia itself, and the whole thing doesn’t make much sense.

    Alternatively their friends may just be planning a crisis to enable the wholesale appropriation of Russian assets in the West – of which there are plenty. The test run in Cyprus went well.

    One way or the other, the US public is surely being set up for a Russia Crisis.

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    planning a crisis to enable the wholesale appropriation of Russian assets in the West
     
    That is the only one that I find credible. The issue there is that West has lots of assets in Russia too (especially Western Europeans), and also that most Russian assets in the West are owned by oligarchs - maybe that's why they were just listed by State Dept as sanction targets.

    The question is, if the mutual expropriation happens, what it stay at that?
    , @annamaria
    "...the US public is being prepared to “react correctly” to some major Zionist created crisis dragging the US into conflict with Russia.
    -- Agree. The intolerable fact that Israel will be wiped out at instance, if the ziocon plan to attack Russia is initiated, keeps the bloody psychopaths in check, so far.
    The most startling thing about the ziocons’ project (conducted on the US dime & limb) is the readiness of the US brass and functionaries in the highest echelons of power to sold out the US to the psychopathic moneychangers of "chosen" variety. The casual treasonous attitude towards the US needs and reputation has become a norm. Whether the CIA or the FBI or the State Dept., the needs of the US citizenry have taken a tertiary importance, if any. The most telling sign of the US decline is the apparent deterioration of moral fiber.
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  174. polskijoe says:
    @Toby Keith
    Israel relies upon the Diaspora to coerce/blackmail Western governments to do their miso-Slavic dirty work. I don't know of any public Jew in America who isn't howling for Russian blood. (Well, okay, Oliver Stone is one exception.)

    Proffesor Stephen Cohen seems okay with Russians. There are probably others, but the point is that the loud and influential ones are Anti-Russian. They are the new Schiffs of America.

    AntiRussian Jews:
    In Canada you get people like Freeland (upa and jewish ancestry) who found one thing in common,
    to hate on the Russians. She was also at the World Jew Congress.
    Others, people like Anne Applebaum who got Sikorski into power.
    All the mainstream news members, pumping the same nonsense.

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  175. polskijoe says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Well, regarding your conversation with RobinG.
    I am very skeptical about Western MSM: they lie 80% of the time and twist the truth beyond recognition the remaining 20%. The stories appear in all of them (remember alleged Serbian genocide of Kosovars, alleged Sudanese crimes in Darfur, allegedly bombed hospitals in Aleppo, the crash of MH-17 over Donbass, etc), and then disappear simultaneously, when the lies cannot be sustained any more and the truth cannot be told, as it’s against the interests of their owners. Still, there appears to be genuine human suffering in Myanmar (Burma), and Rohingya appear to be fleeing in thousands. Bangladesh confirmed that, sort of. What part of that is true, and what’s the real story there?

    the biggest problems with Western media:

    most of their talk on foreign policy is fake news.
    inside their own countries like US, its Republican Democrat Republican Democrat and repeat.

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  176. Beckow says:
    @Miro23

    There might be some irrational motivations in it, but my guess is that the objective is not a war, but an attempt to crush the Russian economy.
     
    You're an optimist. Zionist targets are the physical destruction of Syria and Iran, and they have a good record of getting what they want out of the US (for example the destruction of Iraq and Libya). There's a strong antipathy towards Putin for terminating their Khodorkovsky project , and against Trump for finishing with the Clintons, but the whole "Russian hacking" thing seems to be a separate piece of planned and coordinated deception.

    For example, the US media were fully primed and ready for 9/11 and almost fell over each other to instantly explain the full Al Qaeda "Arab Terrorist" story, without the slightest investigation or doubt regarding events. 9/11 was a large and complex operation, and the planners weren't going to leave the media side to chance. The event had to be "interpreted" quickly and correctly, with the propaganda set to full volume.

    And previously, a lot of effort went into subverting government agencies to produce the fake WMD story, propagandize it, and set up the US public to react correctly to 9/11.

    The same process is in play now, with the full volume demonization of Russia, so the assumption is that the US public is being prepared to "react correctly" to some major Zionist created crisis dragging the US into conflict with Russia.

    One unlikely possibility, would be a USS Liberty type attack with supposedly Russian aircraft attacking some US assets , with the aim being to panic the US military into a Syrian ground war against Russia/Assad/Iran - although it's very doubtful that the target would be Russia itself, and the whole thing doesn't make much sense.

    Alternatively their friends may just be planning a crisis to enable the wholesale appropriation of Russian assets in the West - of which there are plenty. The test run in Cyprus went well.

    One way or the other, the US public is surely being set up for a Russia Crisis.

    planning a crisis to enable the wholesale appropriation of Russian assets in the West

    That is the only one that I find credible. The issue there is that West has lots of assets in Russia too (especially Western Europeans), and also that most Russian assets in the West are owned by oligarchs – maybe that’s why they were just listed by State Dept as sanction targets.

    The question is, if the mutual expropriation happens, what it stay at that?

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  177. annamaria says:
    @Miro23

    There might be some irrational motivations in it, but my guess is that the objective is not a war, but an attempt to crush the Russian economy.
     
    You're an optimist. Zionist targets are the physical destruction of Syria and Iran, and they have a good record of getting what they want out of the US (for example the destruction of Iraq and Libya). There's a strong antipathy towards Putin for terminating their Khodorkovsky project , and against Trump for finishing with the Clintons, but the whole "Russian hacking" thing seems to be a separate piece of planned and coordinated deception.

    For example, the US media were fully primed and ready for 9/11 and almost fell over each other to instantly explain the full Al Qaeda "Arab Terrorist" story, without the slightest investigation or doubt regarding events. 9/11 was a large and complex operation, and the planners weren't going to leave the media side to chance. The event had to be "interpreted" quickly and correctly, with the propaganda set to full volume.

    And previously, a lot of effort went into subverting government agencies to produce the fake WMD story, propagandize it, and set up the US public to react correctly to 9/11.

    The same process is in play now, with the full volume demonization of Russia, so the assumption is that the US public is being prepared to "react correctly" to some major Zionist created crisis dragging the US into conflict with Russia.

    One unlikely possibility, would be a USS Liberty type attack with supposedly Russian aircraft attacking some US assets , with the aim being to panic the US military into a Syrian ground war against Russia/Assad/Iran - although it's very doubtful that the target would be Russia itself, and the whole thing doesn't make much sense.

    Alternatively their friends may just be planning a crisis to enable the wholesale appropriation of Russian assets in the West - of which there are plenty. The test run in Cyprus went well.

    One way or the other, the US public is surely being set up for a Russia Crisis.

    “…the US public is being prepared to “react correctly” to some major Zionist created crisis dragging the US into conflict with Russia.
    – Agree. The intolerable fact that Israel will be wiped out at instance, if the ziocon plan to attack Russia is initiated, keeps the bloody psychopaths in check, so far.
    The most startling thing about the ziocons’ project (conducted on the US dime & limb) is the readiness of the US brass and functionaries in the highest echelons of power to sold out the US to the psychopathic moneychangers of “chosen” variety. The casual treasonous attitude towards the US needs and reputation has become a norm. Whether the CIA or the FBI or the State Dept., the needs of the US citizenry have taken a tertiary importance, if any. The most telling sign of the US decline is the apparent deterioration of moral fiber.

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  178. @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Most of the Jews and half-Jews I know are non-religious, whereas you are talking about religion. In fact, any religion, taken literally, is a written justification of atrocities against non-believers (or believers in a different fairy tale). This certainly applies 100% to Judaism, Christianity (all sects), Islam (all sects), Hinduism. Maybe Buddhism, Jaininsm, or Confucianism are exceptions, I don’t know enough about them.

    It has been said that Judaism is tribal law religionized. Indeed, after more than 4,000 years Jewish religion and culture are melded. Non-religious Jews are quite capable of prosecuting Talmudic violence, as Winston Churchill observed in the USSR, and as we ourselves observe in Gaza and the global genocide against Whites.

    The “Jews are just like everybody else.” response is worn out like the Hasbara talking point it’s taken from.

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    Now, that’s funny that you mentioned the USSR, as no other example would be as clearly against your assertions as that one. The “Talmudic violence” of Bolsheviks in Russia was prosecuted by Dzerzhinsky, Stalin (Dzugashvili), Ezhov, Beria, Abakumov, Ignatyev, etc., none of whom had a drop of Jewish blood. In contrast, pure Jews Trotsky (Bronstein), Yagoda (Iyeguda), Kamenev (Rozenfeld), Zinoviev (Apfelbaum), as well as a bunch of Jewish medics in 1952-3, were victims of that violence. If you think that violence was Talmudic, think again.
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  179. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @Toby Keith
    It has been said that Judaism is tribal law religionized. Indeed, after more than 4,000 years Jewish religion and culture are melded. Non-religious Jews are quite capable of prosecuting Talmudic violence, as Winston Churchill observed in the USSR, and as we ourselves observe in Gaza and the global genocide against Whites.

    The "Jews are just like everybody else." response is worn out like the Hasbara talking point it's taken from.

    Now, that’s funny that you mentioned the USSR, as no other example would be as clearly against your assertions as that one. The “Talmudic violence” of Bolsheviks in Russia was prosecuted by Dzerzhinsky, Stalin (Dzugashvili), Ezhov, Beria, Abakumov, Ignatyev, etc., none of whom had a drop of Jewish blood. In contrast, pure Jews Trotsky (Bronstein), Yagoda (Iyeguda), Kamenev (Rozenfeld), Zinoviev (Apfelbaum), as well as a bunch of Jewish medics in 1952-3, were victims of that violence. If you think that violence was Talmudic, think again.

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    In contrast, pure Jews Trotsky (Bronstein), Yagoda (Iyeguda), Kamenev (Rozenfeld), Zinoviev (Apfelbaum), as well as a bunch of Jewish medics in 1952-3, were victims of that violence. If you think that violence was Talmudic, think again.
     
    This is an interesting group of "victims".

    Lenin (part Jewish), Bronstein, Rozenfeld and Apfelbaum were the top leaders of Bolshevism, and after taking absolute power, in their October 1917 coup, they launched the most murderous regime that Europe has ever seen.

    Lazar Kaganovich (aided by Genrik Yagoda and mostly Jewish NKVD officers) was probably the Nº1 ethnic Jewish mass murderer in history, given that he organized the Ukrainian death famine in the winter of 1931/32. Inspection teams ensured that any food hoarding was punishable by death. It’s now called the Holodomor and it is recognized as an organized mass killing of 6-7 million Ukrainians.

    The all Jewish designers and heads of the of the Soviet Gulag work/death camp system generated an equally enormous death toll: Lazar Kogan (Head of Gulag 1931-32), Matvei Berman (Head of Gulag 1932-37), Genrik Yagoda and Yakov Agranov (Head and deputy head of the NKVD 1934-36), Semyon Firin, Yakov Rapoport and Naftaly Frenkel.

    However, it is true that 20 years after the 1917 coup, Stalin finally liquidated this crowd of killers to consolidate his power (he wasn't any better).

    Yagoda and Agranov were executed in 1938 at the start of Stalin’s Great Terror. Berman and Kogan were executed in 1939 with Kaganovitch and Frenkel surviving until 1991 and 1960 respectively to die of natural causes. Kaganovitch was known to be totally subservient to Stalin in every way which perhaps accounted for his survival.

    Zinoviev and Kamenev were put through Show Trial confessions in return for their lives (but immediately executed anyway), and Stalin eventually succeeded in his long term aim of murdering Trotsky (assassinated in Mexico in 1940).

    , @annamaria
    "... were victims of that violence."
    --- The same mistuned song on the exceptional victimhood.
    You need to check the biographies of Lazar Kaganovitch (see Holodomor), Yagoda (see CheKa), Berman, Frenkel, and Kogan (see the horrors of GULAG, the network of concentration camps where millions have perished), Zemlyachka (see genocide of Russain officer corps and the blood-curling methods of murder, devised by Rozalia Zalkind, the Esther of the 20th century). "Rozalia Samuilovna Zalkind known under nicknames Devil (for personal participation in mass executions) and Zemlyachka was a Russian revolutionary, Soviet politician and statesman. She was the 1st woman recieved Order of the Red Banner in USSR."
    https://enigmachannel.wordpress.com/2015/06/10/the-worlds-most-evil-woman/

    "Winston Churchill called the Bolshevik Revolution a Jewish movement in his article “Bolshevism versus Zionism” in the “Illustrated Sunday Herald” on February 8th, 1920. He described communism as a “sinister confederacy on International Jews, who have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.”
    In his book “Les Derniers Jours des Romanofs” (The Last Days of the Romanovs) Robert Wilton, the renowned foreign correspondent for “The Times of London”, reported that out of the 384 Russian commissars there were 300 Jews, 264 of them came from the US since the downfall of the Imperial Government, and he listed the names of all the Jewish leaders of the revolution.
    Reports by Captain Schuyler, an American army intelligence officer in Russia during the Russian Revolution, are kept in the US National Archives in Washington. In his March 1919 report he stated that “… the Bolshevik movement is and has been since its beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type.”
    The American Hebrew Magazine” in New York stated in its September 10th, 1920 edition that “The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish planning and Jewish dissatisfaction. Our plan is to have a New World Order. What worked so wonderfully in Russia is going to become reality for the whole world.”
    Encyclopedia Judaica boosts that the Bolshevik Revolution was so Jewish that Jewish leaders were instructed to change their names in order to hide the Jewish domination. The founder of the Red Army Leon Trotsky (real name Lev Bronstein) and Soviet Minister of Foreign Affairs Maxim Litvinov are listed as Jews in “Who’s Who in World Jewry”. ... According to Rabbi Marvin Adelman’s book “To Eliminate the Opiate,” Jacob Shiff, the Jewish American capitalist from banking firm Kuhn and Leob, had financed the Jewish communist revolutionaries with $24 millions, and received as an investment return 100 million Russian Rubles."
    http://mwcnews.net/focus/editorial/36409-genocidal-criminals.html
    -- Today, the US enjoys the tender cares of Adam Schiff (Democrat, CA), a progeny of Jacob Schiff, the financier of the Bolshevik revolution. .

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  180. Miro23 says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Now, that’s funny that you mentioned the USSR, as no other example would be as clearly against your assertions as that one. The “Talmudic violence” of Bolsheviks in Russia was prosecuted by Dzerzhinsky, Stalin (Dzugashvili), Ezhov, Beria, Abakumov, Ignatyev, etc., none of whom had a drop of Jewish blood. In contrast, pure Jews Trotsky (Bronstein), Yagoda (Iyeguda), Kamenev (Rozenfeld), Zinoviev (Apfelbaum), as well as a bunch of Jewish medics in 1952-3, were victims of that violence. If you think that violence was Talmudic, think again.

    In contrast, pure Jews Trotsky (Bronstein), Yagoda (Iyeguda), Kamenev (Rozenfeld), Zinoviev (Apfelbaum), as well as a bunch of Jewish medics in 1952-3, were victims of that violence. If you think that violence was Talmudic, think again.

    This is an interesting group of “victims”.

    Lenin (part Jewish), Bronstein, Rozenfeld and Apfelbaum were the top leaders of Bolshevism, and after taking absolute power, in their October 1917 coup, they launched the most murderous regime that Europe has ever seen.

    Lazar Kaganovich (aided by Genrik Yagoda and mostly Jewish NKVD officers) was probably the Nº1 ethnic Jewish mass murderer in history, given that he organized the Ukrainian death famine in the winter of 1931/32. Inspection teams ensured that any food hoarding was punishable by death. It’s now called the Holodomor and it is recognized as an organized mass killing of 6-7 million Ukrainians.

    The all Jewish designers and heads of the of the Soviet Gulag work/death camp system generated an equally enormous death toll: Lazar Kogan (Head of Gulag 1931-32), Matvei Berman (Head of Gulag 1932-37), Genrik Yagoda and Yakov Agranov (Head and deputy head of the NKVD 1934-36), Semyon Firin, Yakov Rapoport and Naftaly Frenkel.

    However, it is true that 20 years after the 1917 coup, Stalin finally liquidated this crowd of killers to consolidate his power (he wasn’t any better).

    Yagoda and Agranov were executed in 1938 at the start of Stalin’s Great Terror. Berman and Kogan were executed in 1939 with Kaganovitch and Frenkel surviving until 1991 and 1960 respectively to die of natural causes. Kaganovitch was known to be totally subservient to Stalin in every way which perhaps accounted for his survival.

    Zinoviev and Kamenev were put through Show Trial confessions in return for their lives (but immediately executed anyway), and Stalin eventually succeeded in his long term aim of murdering Trotsky (assassinated in Mexico in 1940).

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    Anon from TN
    Maybe I am dense, but I fail to see you refuting what I wrote. Mass murderers Dzerzhinsky, Stalin (Dzugashvili), Ezhov, Beria, Abakumov, Ignatyev were not Jews. Thus, the mantra “Jewish – bad, not Jewish – good” has no basis in the Soviet reality.
    I leave the story of Holodomor on your conscience. At the same time severe hunger with many deaths in the countryside was reported in Russia, Kazakhstan, and other parts of the USSR. There was nothing special about former Ukraine, where, BTW, the most severe hunger was in the least Ukrainian parts, such as Donbass. The Soviet “kolkhoz” system, which was designed to confiscate food from those who produced it, was to blame in every case. FYI, occupying German army in 1941-43 preserved kolkhoz system to use it for exactly the same purpose. They weren’t Jews, either.
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  181. annamaria says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Now, that’s funny that you mentioned the USSR, as no other example would be as clearly against your assertions as that one. The “Talmudic violence” of Bolsheviks in Russia was prosecuted by Dzerzhinsky, Stalin (Dzugashvili), Ezhov, Beria, Abakumov, Ignatyev, etc., none of whom had a drop of Jewish blood. In contrast, pure Jews Trotsky (Bronstein), Yagoda (Iyeguda), Kamenev (Rozenfeld), Zinoviev (Apfelbaum), as well as a bunch of Jewish medics in 1952-3, were victims of that violence. If you think that violence was Talmudic, think again.

    “… were victims of that violence.”
    — The same mistuned song on the exceptional victimhood.
    You need to check the biographies of Lazar Kaganovitch (see Holodomor), Yagoda (see CheKa), Berman, Frenkel, and Kogan (see the horrors of GULAG, the network of concentration camps where millions have perished), Zemlyachka (see genocide of Russain officer corps and the blood-curling methods of murder, devised by Rozalia Zalkind, the Esther of the 20th century). “Rozalia Samuilovna Zalkind known under nicknames Devil (for personal participation in mass executions) and Zemlyachka was a Russian revolutionary, Soviet politician and statesman. She was the 1st woman recieved Order of the Red Banner in USSR.”

    https://enigmachannel.wordpress.com/2015/06/10/the-worlds-most-evil-woman/

    “Winston Churchill called the Bolshevik Revolution a Jewish movement in his article “Bolshevism versus Zionism” in the “Illustrated Sunday Herald” on February 8th, 1920. He described communism as a “sinister confederacy on International Jews, who have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.”
    In his book “Les Derniers Jours des Romanofs” (The Last Days of the Romanovs) Robert Wilton, the renowned foreign correspondent for “The Times of London”, reported that out of the 384 Russian commissars there were 300 Jews, 264 of them came from the US since the downfall of the Imperial Government, and he listed the names of all the Jewish leaders of the revolution.
    Reports by Captain Schuyler, an American army intelligence officer in Russia during the Russian Revolution, are kept in the US National Archives in Washington. In his March 1919 report he stated that “… the Bolshevik movement is and has been since its beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type.”
    The American Hebrew Magazine” in New York stated in its September 10th, 1920 edition that “The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish planning and Jewish dissatisfaction. Our plan is to have a New World Order. What worked so wonderfully in Russia is going to become reality for the whole world.”
    Encyclopedia Judaica boosts that the Bolshevik Revolution was so Jewish that Jewish leaders were instructed to change their names in order to hide the Jewish domination. The founder of the Red Army Leon Trotsky (real name Lev Bronstein) and Soviet Minister of Foreign Affairs Maxim Litvinov are listed as Jews in “Who’s Who in World Jewry”. … According to Rabbi Marvin Adelman’s book “To Eliminate the Opiate,” Jacob Shiff, the Jewish American capitalist from banking firm Kuhn and Leob, had financed the Jewish communist revolutionaries with $24 millions, and received as an investment return 100 million Russian Rubles.”

    http://mwcnews.net/focus/editorial/36409-genocidal-criminals.html

    – Today, the US enjoys the tender cares of Adam Schiff (Democrat, CA), a progeny of Jacob Schiff, the financier of the Bolshevik revolution. .

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  182. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @Miro23

    In contrast, pure Jews Trotsky (Bronstein), Yagoda (Iyeguda), Kamenev (Rozenfeld), Zinoviev (Apfelbaum), as well as a bunch of Jewish medics in 1952-3, were victims of that violence. If you think that violence was Talmudic, think again.
     
    This is an interesting group of "victims".

    Lenin (part Jewish), Bronstein, Rozenfeld and Apfelbaum were the top leaders of Bolshevism, and after taking absolute power, in their October 1917 coup, they launched the most murderous regime that Europe has ever seen.

    Lazar Kaganovich (aided by Genrik Yagoda and mostly Jewish NKVD officers) was probably the Nº1 ethnic Jewish mass murderer in history, given that he organized the Ukrainian death famine in the winter of 1931/32. Inspection teams ensured that any food hoarding was punishable by death. It’s now called the Holodomor and it is recognized as an organized mass killing of 6-7 million Ukrainians.

    The all Jewish designers and heads of the of the Soviet Gulag work/death camp system generated an equally enormous death toll: Lazar Kogan (Head of Gulag 1931-32), Matvei Berman (Head of Gulag 1932-37), Genrik Yagoda and Yakov Agranov (Head and deputy head of the NKVD 1934-36), Semyon Firin, Yakov Rapoport and Naftaly Frenkel.

    However, it is true that 20 years after the 1917 coup, Stalin finally liquidated this crowd of killers to consolidate his power (he wasn't any better).

    Yagoda and Agranov were executed in 1938 at the start of Stalin’s Great Terror. Berman and Kogan were executed in 1939 with Kaganovitch and Frenkel surviving until 1991 and 1960 respectively to die of natural causes. Kaganovitch was known to be totally subservient to Stalin in every way which perhaps accounted for his survival.

    Zinoviev and Kamenev were put through Show Trial confessions in return for their lives (but immediately executed anyway), and Stalin eventually succeeded in his long term aim of murdering Trotsky (assassinated in Mexico in 1940).

    Anon from TN
    Maybe I am dense, but I fail to see you refuting what I wrote. Mass murderers Dzerzhinsky, Stalin (Dzugashvili), Ezhov, Beria, Abakumov, Ignatyev were not Jews. Thus, the mantra “Jewish – bad, not Jewish – good” has no basis in the Soviet reality.
    I leave the story of Holodomor on your conscience. At the same time severe hunger with many deaths in the countryside was reported in Russia, Kazakhstan, and other parts of the USSR. There was nothing special about former Ukraine, where, BTW, the most severe hunger was in the least Ukrainian parts, such as Donbass. The Soviet “kolkhoz” system, which was designed to confiscate food from those who produced it, was to blame in every case. FYI, occupying German army in 1941-43 preserved kolkhoz system to use it for exactly the same purpose. They weren’t Jews, either.

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  183. annamaria says:

    “Thus, the mantra “Jewish – bad, not Jewish – good” has no basis in the Soviet reality.”
    – How about, “Jews are like other people — some are good and some are bad?” Would not it be nice if your tribe stop quetching and instead accept the uncomfortable truth that the Jewish murderers and thieves are just as numerous and vicious as murderers and thieves of other ethnicity? The pretense on special Jewish victimhood and special superior Jewish morality is ridiculous in the context of the Jewish role in the Bolshevik revolution, the Nakba, and the ongoing implementation of Yinon plan for Eretz Israel.

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    Anon from TN
    My point exactly. The range from scum to decent people is the same among Jews, WASPs, Russians, Chinese, etc. There is nothing especially good or especially bad about any nation. What’s more, in my experience it is the people who have no personal achievements to be proud of tend to present their nationality, religion, country of residence, or skin color as a source of pride and the basis for feeling superior. Decent successful people don’t need that.
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  184. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @annamaria
    "Thus, the mantra “Jewish – bad, not Jewish – good” has no basis in the Soviet reality."
    -- How about, "Jews are like other people -- some are good and some are bad?" Would not it be nice if your tribe stop quetching and instead accept the uncomfortable truth that the Jewish murderers and thieves are just as numerous and vicious as murderers and thieves of other ethnicity? The pretense on special Jewish victimhood and special superior Jewish morality is ridiculous in the context of the Jewish role in the Bolshevik revolution, the Nakba, and the ongoing implementation of Yinon plan for Eretz Israel.

    Anon from TN
    My point exactly. The range from scum to decent people is the same among Jews, WASPs, Russians, Chinese, etc. There is nothing especially good or especially bad about any nation. What’s more, in my experience it is the people who have no personal achievements to be proud of tend to present their nationality, religion, country of residence, or skin color as a source of pride and the basis for feeling superior. Decent successful people don’t need that.

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    The range from scum to decent people is the same among Jews, WASPs, Russians, Chinese, etc. There is nothing especially good or especially bad about any nation.
     
    As far as I remember you are scientist ? Your statement could be right, but the question in proportions.
    Try to compare proporsions of all named nations in society and in MSM, finance, goverment ...
    And you can do it in almost any europian country + US in any period during last at least 300 years.
    This will sigthly change "the equal role theory".

    To be clear I do agree with statement that mantra

    “Thus, the mantra “Jewish – bad, not Jewish – good”
     
    is wrong. But there are some details.
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  185. yurivku says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    My point exactly. The range from scum to decent people is the same among Jews, WASPs, Russians, Chinese, etc. There is nothing especially good or especially bad about any nation. What’s more, in my experience it is the people who have no personal achievements to be proud of tend to present their nationality, religion, country of residence, or skin color as a source of pride and the basis for feeling superior. Decent successful people don’t need that.

    The range from scum to decent people is the same among Jews, WASPs, Russians, Chinese, etc. There is nothing especially good or especially bad about any nation.

    As far as I remember you are scientist ? Your statement could be right, but the question in proportions.
    Try to compare proporsions of all named nations in society and in MSM, finance, goverment …
    And you can do it in almost any europian country + US in any period during last at least 300 years.
    This will sigthly change “the equal role theory”.

    To be clear I do agree with statement that mantra

    “Thus, the mantra “Jewish – bad, not Jewish – good”

    is wrong. But there are some details.

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    Anon from TN
    Yes, I am a scientist, and therefore I hold that facts trump any theories. You are projecting today’s situation back 300 years, which is unscientific and contradicts known facts. For example, in the US until after WWII the rules of acceptance into Ivy League (best) colleges were pretty anti-semitic: a very small percentage of students were Jews (mind you, Oxford and Cambridge in the UK, as well as all Ivies in the US evolved from Christian religious schools). It changed now, so today Ivies discriminate against Asians instead. In Russia, under Romanovs Jews were not allowed to be state employees and were not even allowed to live in the capitals (Moscow and St Petersburg). Jews who converted to Orthodox Christianity were allowed, though. The revolution of 1917 brought a lot of Jews to power, but then Stalin reinstated traditional anti-semitism that survived all the way to Breznev’s rule. Then the counter-revolution of 1991 brought many Jews to power and riches again. In Europe, the situation differed by country and period (say, in Germany in 1933-45 Jews were not in power in any way). You can google the details yourself, if you wish.
    Today Jews are over-represented in financial, media, and political elites in the US, Russia, Ukraine, and some (but not all) European countries. For example, there are virtually no Jews in Germany. If you think that German policies are much different from those of France or UK, think again. There are no Jews in Poland and the Baltics, yet their political elites push exactly the same suicidal pro-American policies as Jew-dominated Ukraine. So, connecting Jew dominance with any specific type of policy is unscientific. That’s one of the things I am saying.
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  186. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @yurivku

    The range from scum to decent people is the same among Jews, WASPs, Russians, Chinese, etc. There is nothing especially good or especially bad about any nation.
     
    As far as I remember you are scientist ? Your statement could be right, but the question in proportions.
    Try to compare proporsions of all named nations in society and in MSM, finance, goverment ...
    And you can do it in almost any europian country + US in any period during last at least 300 years.
    This will sigthly change "the equal role theory".

    To be clear I do agree with statement that mantra

    “Thus, the mantra “Jewish – bad, not Jewish – good”
     
    is wrong. But there are some details.

    Anon from TN
    Yes, I am a scientist, and therefore I hold that facts trump any theories. You are projecting today’s situation back 300 years, which is unscientific and contradicts known facts. For example, in the US until after WWII the rules of acceptance into Ivy League (best) colleges were pretty anti-semitic: a very small percentage of students were Jews (mind you, Oxford and Cambridge in the UK, as well as all Ivies in the US evolved from Christian religious schools). It changed now, so today Ivies discriminate against Asians instead. In Russia, under Romanovs Jews were not allowed to be state employees and were not even allowed to live in the capitals (Moscow and St Petersburg). Jews who converted to Orthodox Christianity were allowed, though. The revolution of 1917 brought a lot of Jews to power, but then Stalin reinstated traditional anti-semitism that survived all the way to Breznev’s rule. Then the counter-revolution of 1991 brought many Jews to power and riches again. In Europe, the situation differed by country and period (say, in Germany in 1933-45 Jews were not in power in any way). You can google the details yourself, if you wish.
    Today Jews are over-represented in financial, media, and political elites in the US, Russia, Ukraine, and some (but not all) European countries. For example, there are virtually no Jews in Germany. If you think that German policies are much different from those of France or UK, think again. There are no Jews in Poland and the Baltics, yet their political elites push exactly the same suicidal pro-American policies as Jew-dominated Ukraine. So, connecting Jew dominance with any specific type of policy is unscientific. That’s one of the things I am saying.

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    Anon from TN
    BTW, there are no Jews in China, Japan, or South Korea. In fact, Chinese in Malaysia and Indonesia occupy the same niche as Jews in Europe. In Indonesia there were anti-Chinese pogroms, very similar to anti-Jewish pogroms in Eastern Europe.
    , @RobinG
    "....there are virtually no Jews in Germany."

    Haven't we been reading about Jews emigrating from Israel to Germany?
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  187. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Yes, I am a scientist, and therefore I hold that facts trump any theories. You are projecting today’s situation back 300 years, which is unscientific and contradicts known facts. For example, in the US until after WWII the rules of acceptance into Ivy League (best) colleges were pretty anti-semitic: a very small percentage of students were Jews (mind you, Oxford and Cambridge in the UK, as well as all Ivies in the US evolved from Christian religious schools). It changed now, so today Ivies discriminate against Asians instead. In Russia, under Romanovs Jews were not allowed to be state employees and were not even allowed to live in the capitals (Moscow and St Petersburg). Jews who converted to Orthodox Christianity were allowed, though. The revolution of 1917 brought a lot of Jews to power, but then Stalin reinstated traditional anti-semitism that survived all the way to Breznev’s rule. Then the counter-revolution of 1991 brought many Jews to power and riches again. In Europe, the situation differed by country and period (say, in Germany in 1933-45 Jews were not in power in any way). You can google the details yourself, if you wish.
    Today Jews are over-represented in financial, media, and political elites in the US, Russia, Ukraine, and some (but not all) European countries. For example, there are virtually no Jews in Germany. If you think that German policies are much different from those of France or UK, think again. There are no Jews in Poland and the Baltics, yet their political elites push exactly the same suicidal pro-American policies as Jew-dominated Ukraine. So, connecting Jew dominance with any specific type of policy is unscientific. That’s one of the things I am saying.

    Anon from TN
    BTW, there are no Jews in China, Japan, or South Korea. In fact, Chinese in Malaysia and Indonesia occupy the same niche as Jews in Europe. In Indonesia there were anti-Chinese pogroms, very similar to anti-Jewish pogroms in Eastern Europe.

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  188. RobinG says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Yes, I am a scientist, and therefore I hold that facts trump any theories. You are projecting today’s situation back 300 years, which is unscientific and contradicts known facts. For example, in the US until after WWII the rules of acceptance into Ivy League (best) colleges were pretty anti-semitic: a very small percentage of students were Jews (mind you, Oxford and Cambridge in the UK, as well as all Ivies in the US evolved from Christian religious schools). It changed now, so today Ivies discriminate against Asians instead. In Russia, under Romanovs Jews were not allowed to be state employees and were not even allowed to live in the capitals (Moscow and St Petersburg). Jews who converted to Orthodox Christianity were allowed, though. The revolution of 1917 brought a lot of Jews to power, but then Stalin reinstated traditional anti-semitism that survived all the way to Breznev’s rule. Then the counter-revolution of 1991 brought many Jews to power and riches again. In Europe, the situation differed by country and period (say, in Germany in 1933-45 Jews were not in power in any way). You can google the details yourself, if you wish.
    Today Jews are over-represented in financial, media, and political elites in the US, Russia, Ukraine, and some (but not all) European countries. For example, there are virtually no Jews in Germany. If you think that German policies are much different from those of France or UK, think again. There are no Jews in Poland and the Baltics, yet their political elites push exactly the same suicidal pro-American policies as Jew-dominated Ukraine. So, connecting Jew dominance with any specific type of policy is unscientific. That’s one of the things I am saying.

    “….there are virtually no Jews in Germany.”

    Haven’t we been reading about Jews emigrating from Israel to Germany?

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    Anon from TN
    We have been reading a lot of BS, especially in MSM. I was in Berlin not so long ago, they have Judenstrasse, they have a synagogue, but hardly any Jews. There are maybe a few hundred in the whole country, none in the position of authority.
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  189. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @RobinG
    "....there are virtually no Jews in Germany."

    Haven't we been reading about Jews emigrating from Israel to Germany?

    Anon from TN
    We have been reading a lot of BS, especially in MSM. I was in Berlin not so long ago, they have Judenstrasse, they have a synagogue, but hardly any Jews. There are maybe a few hundred in the whole country, none in the position of authority.

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    No reason to believe you are a qualified source.

    "While the Jewish population in nearly all countries of the Diaspora declines, the Jewish population in Germany boasts an unprecedented boom." https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jews-in-germany-today/

    "Core Jewish pop." 99,000
    "Enlarged Jewish pop." 250,000
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country

    117,000
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-population-of-the-world
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  190. RobinG says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    We have been reading a lot of BS, especially in MSM. I was in Berlin not so long ago, they have Judenstrasse, they have a synagogue, but hardly any Jews. There are maybe a few hundred in the whole country, none in the position of authority.

    No reason to believe you are a qualified source.

    “While the Jewish population in nearly all countries of the Diaspora declines, the Jewish population in Germany boasts an unprecedented boom.” https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jews-in-germany-today/

    “Core Jewish pop.” 99,000
    “Enlarged Jewish pop.” 250,000

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country

    117,000

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-population-of-the-world

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    Anon from TN
    I know quite a few German scientists, collaborate with many of them, and none of them knows any Jews. However, you are welcome to believe whatever you wish. I would like to remind you that there are lies, damned lies, and statistics (ascribed to British PM Benjamin Disraeli or Mark Twain). FYI, I can give you many links to sites claiming that people contact aliens all the time, and even that some prominent people are in fact aliens. Does this constitute proof?
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  191. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @RobinG
    No reason to believe you are a qualified source.

    "While the Jewish population in nearly all countries of the Diaspora declines, the Jewish population in Germany boasts an unprecedented boom." https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jews-in-germany-today/

    "Core Jewish pop." 99,000
    "Enlarged Jewish pop." 250,000
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country

    117,000
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-population-of-the-world

    Anon from TN
    I know quite a few German scientists, collaborate with many of them, and none of them knows any Jews. However, you are welcome to believe whatever you wish. I would like to remind you that there are lies, damned lies, and statistics (ascribed to British PM Benjamin Disraeli or Mark Twain). FYI, I can give you many links to sites claiming that people contact aliens all the time, and even that some prominent people are in fact aliens. Does this constitute proof?

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  192. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Biff

    America is not Israel
     
    You need some possessive punctuation with that, like; ‘s. Then you’re on to something.

    LOL! So subtle, so good!

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