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We are now at year 55 since the assassination of President Kennedy in 1963. This defining event of the Baby Boomer generation still looms large over the American nation, ever finding new ways to stay relevant to contemporary events.

There have been two significant developments during the Trump presidency. First was Trump’s tweet in October 2017 saying that he would declassify all the remaining JFK files that the government is still withholding. I and many others who are interested in the JFK investigation were hopeful that this would happen, as I wrote in March of that year. While Trump’s supporters cheered and took it as further confirmation of Trump’s anti-establishment bona fides, the claim unfortunately turned out to be false. More than 15,000 records remain withheld, including some of the most important records that researchers have been waiting for, such as those on CIA man George Joannides.

Joannides, a mysterious figure whose identity was only discovered in the late 1990s, oversaw the agency’s relationship with a Cuban exile group that Lee Harvey Oswald was in contact with, and was then brought out of retirement in the 1970s in order to oversee the CIA’s relationship with the Congressional committee that had re-opened the JFK investigation. The Congressional investigators were led to believe that Joannides was just a regular CIA employee with no relation to the events in question. When House Select Committee on Assassinations chairman Robert Blakey finally found out, decades later, who Joannides really was, he admitted (to his credit) that he was wrong to think that the CIA had cooperated with his investigation, and that he should have believed his investigators like Gaeton Fonzi and Edward Lopez, who knew that the Agency was deceiving them, and tried to say so.

So we’re still waiting for all the JFK files, and President Trump has not pushed the CIA to disclose them. But with a tweet and a subsequent release of some previously classified material, most people have been convinced otherwise. Ask the average Trump supporter whether or not Trump released all the JFK files and they will likely say that he has. This is because most of Trump’s supporters, even otherwise intelligent and skeptical people, are strongly inclined to believe most everything that he says, (must be that master level persuasion) the same way that his detractors foolishly believe every negative story that the fake news media reports about him, including the conspiracy theory that Russia “hacked” the 2016 election.

(One important finding – to my knowledge totally unreported in any mainstream source – is that the stolen DNC emails were transferred at a speed far too fast to have been done by outside hacking, whether by Russians across the sea or teenagers down the block. Instead they must have been transferred onto a USB, by someone inside the DNC. Gee, I wonder who that could have been.)

But the biggest new story in the long tale of the JFK assassination and its cover-up is the emergence of Q.

With an ongoing series of posts on anonymous message boards known for being pro-Trump stomping grounds, Q – whoever he is or they are – has created a grand conspiracy theory on par with that of Milton William Cooper’s Behold a Pale Horse, or Chris Carter’s X-Files narrative (which I’ve always thought used material from Cooper).

The Q story holds that since President Kennedy’s assassination, if not before, the United States has been under the control of a shadowy entity which Q followers call “Cabal.” Within Cabal are all the bad guys of all the great conspiracy theories of the past hundred years, and more – the CIA, the Masons, the mafia, the black nobility, the Vatican, and even aliens. And they not only engineer almost every significant event that happens in the political and social landscape, from elections to blockbuster movies to false flag shootings, but they also commit the most heinous and unspeakable crimes, for the strangest of ritual and metaphysical reasons, that you can imagine.

Q says that Donald Trump was asked to run for the Presidency by a team of military generals and other assorted true patriots who have slowly and patiently coalesced behind the scenes, waiting for the right time to strike back against Cabal. Q says that President Trump and the Q team say a prayer to the departed spirit of JFK each and every day in the White House, to steel them for the battle against Cabal. Q says that John F. Kennedy Jr. was a close friend of Donald Trump, and either was killed by the Clintons to ensure Hillary’s Senate seat, or faked his own death and is still alive, helping Trump and Team Q fight Cabal behind the scenes. Some believe he might even be Q himself.

What a great story! Where is Chris Carter to turn this into a tv show? (Arkhaven Comics is already turning it into a comic book.) But then, times have changed, and one could argue that there is no need to turn it into a show, because it is already a show that we are watching in real time and following on social media. This would make Jean Baudrillard’s head explode, if he were still alive.

One of the remarkable things about the Q phenomenon is how it has reversed some of the beliefs and values that have long been held by conspiracy theorists. For example, ever since investigators during the Iran-Contra scandal found out about the REX-84 plan to suspend the Constitution and declare martial law in the event of a national emergency, people have worried that someday the government is going to round up all the patriots and stick them in a FEMA camp somewhere. (See the aforementioned William Cooper book for a typical presentation of this.) But now, with Q talking about military tribunals for the members of Cabal, many of the same people are applauding the idea of doing away with due process and Constitutional rights for those accused of a crime.

Q supporters often point to the bizarre exchange between Lindsey Graham and Brett Kavanaugh during the latter’s confirmation hearings. Graham made a point of establishing the legitimacy of such tribunals during times of war, noting that the United States has technically been at war since 9-11. This is seen as further evidence that Graham and Kavanaugh are both on Team Q and gearing up for “The Storm.” Apparently Graham’s years of shilling for the neocons’ war agenda are just water under the bridge now.

Kavanaugh likewise has been hailed by Trump and Q supporters as another fighter in the battle against Cabal. I’m inclined to believe that the sexual assault charges against Kavanaugh were false, especially because Blasey Ford’s testimony was so obviously constructed for maximum emotional effect and minimal legal accountability for perjury. (I’m also inclined to believe that Kavanaugh’s innocuous explanations of the various terms in his yearbook were bullshit. The only thing teenage boys like more than beer is sex.) But much more important than any of that is the fact that Kavanaugh is alleged to have helped cover up the likely murder of Vince Foster when he worked for Ken Starr’s investigation of Bill Clinton in the 1990s. A witness in the Foster case, Patrick Knowlton, recently recounted his experience with Kavanaugh during that investigation on Ed Opperman’s podcast. So how does Kavanaugh go from covering for the Clintons to being on team Lock-Her-Up?

Then there is the last case that Kavanaugh presided over before his appointment to the Supreme Court by President Trump. That was the case of Morley vs. CIA, which was brought about by journalist Jefferson Morley, who discovered the identity of the aforementioned George Joannides back in the 1990s. Ever since that time, he has been fighting the CIA in court to try to get the records on Joannides, so that historians and researchers can try to piece together his role in the events surrounding Lee Harvey Oswald and the JFK assassination. In a 2-1 decision, Kavanaugh sided with the CIA against Morley in deciding that, when a litigant successfully sues the government for records through the Freedom of Information Act, the government is not liable to pay their legal costs. This “incentivizes the CIA and other agencies to abuse FOIA and discourages investigative reporting,” because whereas the government has virtually unlimited resources to fight, stall, and stonewall in court, the average citizen journalist or investigator does not.

I can’t take a position on whether or not Q is “real,” i.e. someone actually connected to the President, simply because I have no way of knowing. The “Q proofs” that supporters offer up are not proofs at all, but some of them do indeed seem to defy explanation. But what is more significant is that President Trump is clearly in on the game. And what is even more significant is that the mainstream media, while publishing article after article about how stupid the Q theory is and how dangerous the Q followers are, never acknowledge Trump’s obvious acceptance of it, nor ask him to do anything about it.

The Q phenomenon could be killed in an instant, in a very simple way. All President Trump has to do is tweet: “Q is not real. It’s not anyone connected to me.” Boom. Done. But he hasn’t done that, or anything like it, such as having a friendly journalist pitch the question to him. For whatever reason, he wants Q to continue. Why? And why is the media scared to ask him about it, especially if they’re so sure that it’s just a larp, but nonetheless oh so very dangerous?

At least some of the benefit for Trump is obvious. The Q narrative paints him as perhaps the greatest President in American history, selflessly devoted to battling evil in the name of truth, justice, and the American way. Just like how many people think of JFK. Except that, whereas JFK is supposed to have been killed by the military-industrial complex, we’re now supposed to be rooting for the military-industrial complex as the good guys, fighting against the shadowy and nefarious Cabal. The plot has shifted from Seven Days in May to G.I. Joe vs. Cobra.

I don’t think that President Trump would continue to subtly encourage the Q phenomenon just for the ego boost, or for the few thousand extra votes it gets him. But I could be wrong – stranger things have happened in American politics.

We may yet learn the truth about who or what is behind Q. For those of us who believe that the prince of this world is the father of lies, it’s not impossible to believe that there are rich and powerful people who are as evil as Q says they are. And it’s difficult not to hope, in some part of your mind, that Trump really is what Q supporters believe him to be, and that The Storm really is going to round up all those “bad, bad people” that Trump called out during his campaign. But I’m not holding my breath, just like I’m not holding it waiting for the rest of those files.

I suspect, rather, that Q will disappear when the people behind him deem the time to be right, and no explanations will be forthcoming. Competing theories will emerge – it was a psyop, it was just an elaborate hoax, it was Trump himself, it really was JFK Jr.! – and researchers and historians will debate the minutiae, talking about how these pieces of evidence point to this conclusion, but these other pieces of evidence point to that conclusion. And the question of Who Was Q? will take its place alongside that other historical mystery that I’m sure I and others will still be writing and wondering about five, ten, twenty years from now, and beyond: Who Killed JFK?

 
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  1. JLK says:

    Trump is probably no more motivated to expose deep state treasons from the past than Obama was to actually improve the lot of black people in America.

    They’re both the political equivalent of pressure relief valves.

    Of course, I hope I’m wrong.

    • Agree: Realist
  2. Trump is a complete fraud,

    and Q’s purpose is to keep the idjits who voted for Trump thinking

    “any day now, any day…any day now…”

    • Disagree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @tac
    , @Amon
    , @Ben Sampson
  3. Sean says:

    https://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n23/thomas-laqueur/some-damn-foolish-thing

    Why was this story so compelling in the 1960s? I think because at the height of the Cold War the world needed and embraced a morality tale of the sort Tuchman offered. It goes like this. In 1914, two opposing power blocs, each in the process of a massive and historically unprecedented military build-up, came to feel that it was more dangerous not to respond militarily to a relatively minor incident at the periphery of Europe than it was to do so. The precise nature of each stage of the July Crisis, or of earlier crises, is less important to Tuchman’s cautionary tale than the dénouement: the failure of the great power blocs to negotiate their differences and the catastrophe that this failure unleashed. For the generation immediately following the Second World War, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the hydrogen bomb that the Russians exploded in 1961, little was left to the imagination about what could happen if a mistake on the order of 1914 were made again. [...]Lyndon Johnson was less impressed by Tuchman. But when Kennedy was assassinated he too had the First World War in mind, arguing that what happened in Dallas could plausibly be as badly misconstrued as the murder in Sarajevo had been fifty years earlier. A comparable mistake today, Johnson believed, could leave twenty million dead instantly.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/lbj-thought-cuba-had-kennedy-killed-1235502.html
    Did Fidel Castro have anything to do with the assassination of John F Kennedy? JFK’s successor, Lyndon B Johnson, was convinced he did, but feared that if he blamed the Cuban president, the outraged US public would demand retaliation…

    https://www.history.com/news/final-jfk-files-assassination-documents-release
    Trump Holds Some JFK Assassination Files Back, Sets New 3-Year Deadline
    Despite a promise to release everything on April 26, 2018, the Trump administration is withholding certain material in the JFK Assassination archive for extra review.

    Most of the stuff held back is believed to concern Oswald’s trip to the Cuban Consulate in Mexico and contacts with the Soviet Union in the several weeks before the assasination. There are archives within archives within archives, and just as with the current uncertainty about what actually was revealed at the Salonica trial of Dragutin Dimitrijević, the full truth is probably not known to anyone by now.

    • Replies: @Prester John
  4. renfro says:

    Anyone who believes in Q no doubt also believes Alice in Wonder Land and Harry Potter were real and not just fiction.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Mr Worry
  5. Another Boomer projecting his fantasies onto the filthy Irish Catholic Cockroach JFK….as if JFK was a major deviation from his filthy Irish Catholic Cockroach Siblings…..such as the reprobate Teddy….

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Father O'Hara
  6. From my blog:

    Apr 30, 2018 – The Deep State Wins!

    G2mil is right again! First, a repost for background:

    Dec 18, 2017 – Another JFK Coup Fact Revealed

    Congress created the five-member Assassination Records Review Board in 1992 as part of a law requiring the release of all Kennedy assassination documents within 25 years. The law authorized the president in office in 2017 to block releases if he deems it would harm US intelligence, law enforcement, military, or diplomatic interests. President Trump had no plans to block anything and the Deep State threw a fit and refused to obey the law. To avoid a confrontation, Trump allowed a few more months to “review” most files. Just under a third of the materials were released on December 15th, an estimated 85,000 pages worth, which had long been categorized as irrelevant to the JFK assassination.

    Among these “irrelevant” documents is a July 1978 memo to an attorney on the staff of the House Select Committee on Assassinations. It stated that the FBI was unable to locate the original fingerprints lifted from the rifle found at the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. Dallas Police turned those over a few days after the assassination and never got them back. Top FBI officials told House investigators that finding the prints would be a “mammoth research effort” and refused. So either the FBI bungled its most important case by losing key evidence or someone intentionally destroyed that evidence because the fingerprints on the rifle didn’t match Oswald’s.

    Last October, President Donald Trump gave agencies six more months to finish this 25+ year review of material that might damage national security. Upcoming deadlines:

    March 12: FBI, CIA and other agencies must report to the archives any material they want withheld

    March 26: National Archives makes its recommendations to the president on what material warrants further withholding

    April 26: The president’s deadline for release of all remaining records.

    The best stuff will never be released because the truth about the JFK coup will never be revealed, unless Trump sends General Kelly and US Marines to these federal offices to rough up some people.

    ____________________________________________________

    As the deadline approached last week, the major media mostly ignored this news:

    “Trump announced on Thursday that the public must wait another three years or more before seeing material that must remain classified for national security reasons — more than five decades after Kennedy was killed Nov. 22, 1963 in Dallas, Texas. The National Archives released its last batch of more than 19,000 records on Thursday. But an undisclosed amount of material remains under wraps because Trump said the potential harm to U.S. national security, law enforcement or foreign affairs is “of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in immediate disclosure.”

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @guv'nor
  7. tac says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    Q Anon was always a Trump phenomenon psy-op created by his backers into fooling his supporters.

    And in other news ….

    OT: 

    Gab is now officially a censored ADL site. They banned free speech without any warning by terminating Patrick Little’s with no warning (many responses to this are leading an exodus from Gab):

    https://gab.com/gab/posts/41584631

    https://littlerevolution.us/

  8. Re JFK Jr., it’s not as if there weren’t already more than a hundred mysterious deaths that conveniently benefitted the rise of the Clinton machine, but that’s a story for a future American Pravda series.

  9. I voted for this president.

    I have no idea Who Q, What Q, How Q, why Q or Where Q . . . never heard of Q

    it’s interesting. But there are more obvious battles of good and evil on this plane of reality to last a lifetime, muchless dredging previous planes and previous lifetimes of existence.

  10. llloyd says: • Website

    That is the first time I have read that JFK junior may be still alive. At the time of his demise in 1999, I suspected that and half convinced others. He was officially cremated by the US navy which in his Catholic Kennedy background would be unthinkable. His body was officially brought out of the water about four hours after the other bodies. The US Navy took over the search instead of the Coast Guard. Why was the US Navy involved at all? JFK junior never served in the U S military. It was certainly curious that his demise came in the seventh month of 1999 that was the year and month prediction of the crash from the sky by Nostradamus. The prophecy is interpeted the Anglo Prince will after crashing from the sky be restored to life. There was huge media publicity about that which over night after JFK’s demise disappeared. According to Icke, the elites make prophecies self fulfilling to secure their control. So is JFK junior really Q, working from a secret base somewhere? Plausible. Nice if true. There are true patriots in the U S military.

  11. Ask the average Trump supporter whether or not Trump released all the JFK files and they will likely say that he has. This is because most of Trump’s supporters, even otherwise intelligent and skeptical people, are strongly inclined to believe most everything that he says, (must be that master level persuasion)

    It took only until the 4th paragraph of this idiot’s essay to come upon this turd of a sentence.

    No, dipshit. No one is inclined to believe everything Trump says. In fact, it was widely reported that Trump said he had been convinced by his intelligence people that he should continue to withhold from release the remaining papers, but only until 2020. Tbis what he said. It was widely reported.

    Applarently Ravnewood, the Trump-hating asshole that writes this garbage had his head up his ass when that news came out.

    What’s his excuse now though? It’s easy to refresh your missiing memory, Jack. As I say, it was widely reported.

    I ask anyone who is reading. Why would you continue to read a word this cretin has written after that 4th paragraph? If he’s so completely innaccurate in such a simple widely reported fact why would he be right about anything at all.

    Disgusting.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @anastasia
  12. Cyrano says:

    Both parties in US are deep state. They take too much credit for variety by calling themselves “Democrats” and “Republicans”. In reality there is Deep State party 1 and Deep state party 2 – with virtually no difference between them at all.

    Why are they needed at all if there is zero difference between them? To support the illusion of democracy. People think that the democracy is there for their benefit. “Democracy” is there for the benefit of the elites – or the deep state, because that’s’ who the deep state is made of – of course – the elites..

    Why do I say that the “democracy” is there for the benefit of the deep state elites? Because the only alternative to “democracy” is dictatorship or totalitarianism.

    This is where it gets interesting. To hear the leading proponents of “democracy” explain the whole setup, you’d get the impression that without “democracy” capitalism can’t function. Which is total BS.

    Capitalism functions better under dictatorship. Just look at Nazi Germany or even fascist Italy, or for more modern example – look at China, happily chugging away, not missing the “democracy” one bit.

    Capitalism and “democracy” are not integral parts of each other. The history has shown that one can function without the other perfectly. So why have “democracy” if capitalism would be better off without it?

    Because without democracy, the elites, or the deep state would be at a mercy of the dictator who can dispose of them without batting an eyelash. “Democracy” was invented to protect the elites, not the people.

    But if the push comes to shove, I am 100% sure that the elites would sooner give up on “democracy” than on capitalism. Everything the US has done in their history is to protect the system – which is capitalism. If choice was to be made, the elites will choose dictatorship – as long as capitalism is preserved.

    It would be inconvenient for them, because they will have to toe the line – be obedient to the dictator, instead of acting up their sick fantasies of power and influence as they do at the moment.

    I think that Trump instincts were to get rid of “democracy” because is phony and doesn’t serve anyone’s interests – except the deep state ones. But I also think that Trump found the going really tough, the deep state is too resilient, and the only way a dictator will prevail is if the capitalism comes under clear threat and the deep state gets convinced that only a dictator can save the capitalist system.

  13. anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:

    I think John and Jackie Kennedy proved, that murder of temporary Oligarch club members (elected politicians and corporate CEOs both members only because of the position they hold) is an everyday affair for Global Godfather Oligarchs and their business interests). The Oligarchs are very apt at direct the science of mind control at some dude and forcing that due to do the deed, Oswald, but the Oligarchs back up the controlled dude with a professional able to be sure the deed happens and able to eliminate the mind trapped deed doer should the need be, so the nation in which the murder or bombing or whatever event takes place is satisfied (with proper propaganda) that the deed doer is punished, and the involvement of Godfather is ignored.
    The price a politician and corporate CEOs pay for doing the right thing is sudden death covered by fake propaganda.. So who ordered Journalist Khashoggi’s murder? What was Khashoggi about to reveal to his audience? Jackie married Onassis..she took her children and got the hell out of the USA controlled America?

    Yesterday President Trump posted a statement on the White House website saying his administration will be standing with the House of Saud despite the CIA’s assertion that Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman personally ordered the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi journalist who was living and working in the United States. ..

    veterans Today has some interesting discussion on the matter.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/11/20/intel-drop-some-strait-talk-about-trump-and-mbs/

    Where or where is the Oligarch?

  14. Ockam’s Razor: the most simple theory that fits the facts is the best.
    Kennedy had enemies galore, but two weeks before he was killed he made one more important enemy: Israel.
    H’d found out about Desmona, the nuclear plant given by France, used to develop the atomic bomb, and had threatened not to sell Israel weapons any more if they continued the development.
    Avner Cohen,’Israel and the Bomb’, New York 1998
    Quite interesting book, when one wants to know how much time there was between the murder and the weapons threat, a lot of search in the text is necessary.

    • Replies: @dimples
    , @Sean
    , @Anon
  15. Amon says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    The same could be applied to Obama, Bush II, Clinton and so on.

    The real tragedy is when the public grows so disillusioned with the state of affairs that they view a candidate lying to them as the normal state of political candidates.

    • Replies: @Herald
  16. One more odd JFK assassination factoid – Famous anti-war Texan folksinger Phil Ochs (1940-76), had apparently been hired by US gov to be present at Dealey Plaza for the Kennedy assassination 55 years ago, even a photo puts him there, showing Ochs’ distinctive ear shape.

    Ochs thought he was doing surveillance on Kennedy’s enemies, but realised he was sent as a likely back-up patsy. Ever-after in fear for his life, tormented by the whole string of 60s assassinations, telling the Dallas secret to no more than a few, Ochs broke down mentally and became an alleged ‘suicide’ in 1976. Ochs’ story was told recently by Massachusetts college prof Edward Curtin

    Curtin – who has written also on 9-11 – has a nice quote on disinfo:

    Truth and falsehood rotate like spokes on a rapidly turning wheel – spooks turning spokes in a game of hide and seek meant to confuse and derange the public. Constant befuddlement is the name of this racket … narratives that run like little movies too perfect to be true, but too true to be false – even when they are. Efforts to f-ck up as many people as possible … chaos to mystify as many minds as possible.

    Phil Ochs live singing his 1965 hit anti-war anthem, ‘Ain’t Marchin’ Anymore’, his largely young audience visibly moved:

  17. Complete horse hockey probably meant to befuddle the up and coming snowfake ‘conspiracy theorists’ who’s minds haven’t developed the necessary critical thinking component that only comes with time (and dilligence).

    First tell: ” Q says that Donald Trump was asked to run…” This stupid introduction implies that a Trump run would be a shoo in such as Eisenhower-Stevenson II.

    I maintain that Trump entered the race as always to get hundreds of millions of dollars of free publicity possibly to launch another reality show. His success which surprised himself, was caused by a slow brew starting with eight years of Cigar Bill, fortified by eight with ‘All Hat No Cattle’ Pretzel Boy culminating in another eight by Buckwheat that finally caused the glacial paced cerebellums of (just) enough Americans to choose an outlier.

    Q is most likely a (name your agency) hologram story to befuddle the befuddled and in the end convince the ‘normies’ that all conspiracy stories come from unbalanced minds. Win, win as it were.

    Cheers-

  18. The specifics may be off-target, but the general idea that there is a lot of blackmail going on seems fairly accurate. In particular, pedogate seems to have been a Brownstone Operation. American politicians, business people, etc are compromised through underage sex. These things are called Honeytraps. Brownstone operations are similar but on a much larger scale run by CIA, Mossad, British Intel etc.

    The Finders:

    There is a lot of testimony showing that pedophile networks are operating in a transnational manner. The relatively low level finders are often caught and arrested, but when law enforcement goes up the chain, at some point, they are called off. We have the same basic story from several former law enforcement officials, FBI, NYPD etc.

    Catherine Austin Fitts deals with some of these issues in a more or less reliable way. She even provides motive and opportunity. You should probably subscribe to her Solari Report.

    Investigations are thwarted in a variety of ways like Eliot Spitzer:

    Spitzer worked as an attorney in private practice with several New York law firms before becoming attorney general, where he worked for six years as a prosecutor with the office of the Manhattan district attorney. He was then elected to two four-year terms as the Attorney General of New York, serving from 1999 to 2006. He was elected Governor of New York and served as the 54th Governor of New York, from January 1, 2007, until his resignation on March 17, 2008, in the midst of a prostitution scandal.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer

  19. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @restless94110

    Your anger comes through, but not much else. Why do you think that some JFK files were (supposedly) withheld?

  20. Z-man says:

    Within Cabal are all the bad guys of all the great conspiracy theories of the past hundred years, and more – the CIA, the Masons, the mafia, the black nobility, the Vatican, and even aliens.

    Rofl, I Stopped when I read that, incredible. Jack, this punditry isn’t going to work out for you, go get a real job, lol.

  21. Miro23 says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    April 26: The president’s deadline for release of all remaining records.

    The best stuff will never be released because the truth about the JFK coup will never be revealed, unless Trump sends General Kelly and US Marines to these federal offices to rough up some people.

    It’s not going to be Trump that sends them, but it’s still not a bad idea, and while they’re at it they could visit New York to ask some people some questions about 9/11.

  22. Z-man says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Geesh, I wonder what you would have called JFK if he was Italian, rofl.

  23. dimples says:
    @jilles dykstra

    I’d say the plan to bump off JFK was gestating a lot longer than two weeks. You know, pick the site, set up the patsy, etc etc. For example, fake Oswald backyard photos were taken in March 1963, eight months before assassination.

  24. Sean says:
    @Timur The Lame

    I maintain that Trump entered the race as always to get hundreds of millions of dollars of free publicity possibly to launch another reality show.

    He had been telling the world that he would like to be president since the 80s

    Bearing in mind the way Tea Party donors had the IRS set on them, what do you think would have happened to Trump if he had lost as everyone assumed he was going to after becoming a serious contender He and his family would have been on the street with a tin cup, or in jail. He wanted to be President and risked everything to try. Skin in the Game.

  25. Realist says:

    And it’s difficult not to hope, in some part of your mind, that Trump really is what Q supporters believe him to be, and that The Storm really is going to round up all those “bad, bad people” that Trump called out during his campaign. But I’m not holding my breath, just like I’m not holding it waiting for the rest of those files.

    Or building the wall or lessening US bellicosity around the world.

    Trump is a Deep Stater.

  26. Iberiano says:

    I have only seen Q material 2nd hand (or even 3rd), but I am mystified that even reasonably intelligent people believe Q is a legitimate “source” inside anything. Q is definitely “real” in the sense that he/she/it continues to post, but the majority of the information I have seen referenced, appears along the same lines as a cold-reader psychic. Lots of rhetorical questions, and flair, few predictions that are verified. Saying the sun will rise tomorrow is not a prediction. I keep seeing bloggers re-post Q qyotes like “think logically” and “why would they do that?” or something like that. Now and then a nugget of apparent “intel”, most of which could either be common knowledge, something a low level military/fed would know, or simply made up, without any ability to falsify it. Youtube has dozens of folks talking about the “Storm” and how there will be 1,000, no 10,000, no 60,000 (the latest) arrests, and military tribunals and all that. I’ll believe it when I see it. The midterms did not fare well for the Republicans, nor the general theme of Q, unless you believe that is part of trusting “the Plan”. If Trump loses in 2020, that will be considered part of the plan, or further evidence that we really are up against Demonic Forces, according to Q and it’s followers. I tend to believe we are in a battle against Satan, but that’s independent of Trump, Q, or the current politics. Christ and the Bible warned us of these days.

    Having said all that. Couple notes: Q doesn’t have to be real to have an impact, any more than Star Trek had to be real to get people thinking outside the box. The “Q phenomena” has had an impact on the true believers, which could be good, or bad, depending on the outcome, and depending on one’s perspective. Q followers may be committed, but they may also, in five or ten years, find they are very much attached to any post, or “like” they have made in reference to Q (as might we be, posting here). I don’t discount the possibility that the mark of the beast and/or it’s counter-signalling (posting in favor of Q or things righteous), may wind up having been technologically-based (internet) and largely self-stamped. Both sides…make that multiple sides, in this battle, are keeping lists. You can count on that. Digital and otherwise.

    Lastly, to address other items the author mentions. Not that this makes it true, but it would not be logically nor strategically inconsistent to think that a party (Kavanaugh) who once played an alleged role on one side, might find it more advantageous to defect to another side, to play another role in protection of himself. Nothing I’ve seen of him indicates he is a brilliant or devious tactician, but more of a typical private-school-to-law-school government type, that happens to be a judge. There does not have to be miraculous turnarounds in one’s belief system to merely find oneself acting in self-interest at one point in time, with one group (side) of people, only to later take another position with another group, to further your own personal agenda. If this weren’t the case, co-conspirators would not have a history of things going sour, and ultimately trying or succeeding in knocking each other off sometime after their wrongful acts.

  27. @ Sean,

    I think that I may have referenced you in the first paragraph of my post. Now pay attention, Trump ran before in 2000 for the presidency.

    Every time since 1988 he has flirted with running creating nothing but the aforementioned publicity. That’s what he does.

    Your last comment that Trump’s successful 2016 run was a planned live or die roll of the dice whereby if he lost he would be living under a bridge makes me think that you are…….. Q!

    Cheers-

    • Replies: @Sean
  28. anonymous[170] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    In my experience, belief in Q correlates 100% with belief in another fictional character invented by Jewish storytellers.

  29. The truth is that JFK and RFK and JFK jr. were all killed by a combination of the CIA and the MOSSAD and rogue elements within the U.S. government and so the official truth will never be known as these same elements in particular the Zionists control the U.S. government.

    The same holds true on the Zionist and rogue elements of the U.S. governments attack on the WTC on 911, the truth is in plain sight but the power of the Zionist choke hold on the U.S. will never let the truth come out !

    • Replies: @Durruti
  30. Anonymous[295] • Disclaimer says:

    The main problem with QAnon is that he/she/it traffics in non-falsifiable ‘theories’. Remember, people: if it can’t be falsified, it isn’t really a theory at all.

    • Replies: @Iberiano
    , @Curle
  31. Sean says:
    @jilles dykstra

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/lee-harvey-oswald-called-kgb-agent-before-jfk-assassination-2017-10

    Newly released documents from the CIA show that the spy agency intercepted a phone call from Lee Harvey Oswald, John F. Kennedy’s assassin, to the KGB department in Moscow that handled “sabotage and assassinations.”

    Just over a month before Oswald assassinated Kennedy on November 22, 1963, the CIA intercepted a phone call he made to the department.

    The CIA identifies Kostikov as an officer in the KGB’s 13th department, which is “responsible for sabotage and assassination.”

    Oswald asked Kostikov whether there was “anything new concerning the telegram to Washington,” and Kostikov told him there was not.

    This unexplained question of Oswald’s sound rather like a prearranged code for whether to abort an operation. Which is probably why the CIA made sure no one was allowed to find out about it for half a century. And there is more stuff along the same lines that Trump was persuaded to keep secret. Much of it is said to concern things like Oswald talking with Cubans and offering to kill Kennedy. The Cubans probably could have stopped Oswald I think. The thing is that Oswald did not know the CIA plots to overthrow and or kill Castro had been cancelled, and the Cubans were still fearful the American would try something.

    Oswald’s trip to the Cuban Consulate in Mexico was but a fortnight before a US backed coup in South Vietnam and the assassination of the Diem brothers, which was only about a week before JFK went to Dallas. Oswald was primed to go and apparent evidence of a ruthless US assassinating a foreign leader like Diem made it look like Castro (Oswald’s idol) was marked for death, that probably made Oswald determined to carry out his project of killing Kennedy and moving to Cuba in the unlikely event of him getting away (he had no car). He may have been trying to get a bus across the border and get to the Cuban Consulate when he was picked up.

    Eisenhower gave Israel a nuclear reactor and the U2 overflights had picked up the construction of Desomona years before JFK took office. It was a don’t ask don’t tell relationship and as long as Israel did not publicly announce they had the bomb everyone at the top was cool with it. The Arabs already knew, having been allowed to find out, because what is the point of a nuclear deterrent if the enemy does not know you have it?

    On 30th October, 1962, RFK terminated “all sabotage operations” against Cuba, in line with President Kennedy’s promise to Nikita Khrushchev that he would not invade Cuba, Operation Mongoose was disbanded.

    LBJ was determined that the Cubans and/or the Soviet Union were not going to be under suspicion of having orchestrated, helped, or knowingly failed to prevent Oswald assassinating JFK. As has been noted the CIA is behind most conspiracy theories, that is their business and they don’t mind ones that implicate themselves, if that is what it takes to get the job done.

    Mark Lane was actually the CIA, FBI and LBJ’s greatest asset because everything he and his imitators said was diverting public attention and discrediting as CIA disinformation the facts of Oswald’s links to the USSR and his visit to the Cuban Embassy.

    But there is one little problem with that thesis of Lane’s: the full truth of those fact implicating communist countries was not made public in the Warren Report and as we now know not even the Warren Comission were allowed to know. Only with Trump’s release of the stuff kept secret for decades has it become apparent that Oswald’s interactions with the Cubans and especially the KGB were incredibly dangerous for causing WW3, not the kind of things that could be controlled by a conspiracy intent on managing events. Are we to believe that the CIA created a commie assassin and had Oswald impersonated in Mexico only to have to cover up and keep secret their own cover story because it would be totally out of the Deep State’s control and quite possibly cause WW3 if it leaked out to the public, as it surely would even members of the Warren Comission had been told?

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  32. It’s all “made for TV drama”, possibly even the JFK assassination itself. With all the faked mass shootings taking place now, don’t you find it odd the JFK murder was never looked at as a possible faked event. The following 2 authors have done just that. You decide.

    https://think-and-discern.com/2015/04/01/the-hidden-kings-miles-mathis/

  33. Agent76 says:

    I did read this article similar to this great article today.

    June 04, 2017 The Coup, Then and Now The Enemies of Humanity Try to Give Trump the JFK Treatment

    The Anglo-American oligarchy began a coup against President Donald Trump after his surprise 2016 election. They were in a panic to block his announced aims of partnership with Russia, the end of permanent war, the overturn of predatory Free Trade, and the return of Glass Steagall to break Wall Street’s power.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47183.htm

  34. ” Ask the average Trump supporter whether or not Trump released all the JFK files and they will likely say that he has. ”

    False assumption. Most of the Trump supports, meaning, the ones who don’t spend time making their opinions known online, will likely answer that they don’t know one way or the other. That is because, as interesting as the JFK assassination issue is, it has no direct application to the normies just trying to raise their kids and make a living. There are 100 issues they are more concerned with Trump addressing than JFK files.

  35. Criticisms;
    1. Q has confirmed the existence of aliens. He never said or implied they are part of the Cabal.
    2. The JFK jr. theory alive has nothing to do with Q. It was a bad joke started by “R” who was disavowed by Q. To say that Q followers believe that theory still is dishonest. I’m sure there are still a few who didn’t get the memo. Same as there are people who believe Scientology is a religion. The JFK Jr. believers got sucked into a hoax and don’t want to admit being wrong. The same way as you got sucked into the MSM narrative.

    The two arguments you presented above are obviously a means for you to present Q followers as rubes. To present it the way you have is means you didn’t do your own homework or plagiarized the talking points of the MSM.

    The Q “proofs” range from holy crap to humans putting 2 and 2 together and seeing the image of Jesus on toast. I could look them up and link examples but you have made up your mind already or get paid to parrot these disingenuous arguments.

    As you point out Q could be an elaborate well researched and executed govt. operative psyop. At this point it cannot be some 300 pound dude in Moms basement as there is simply too many coincidences, too many pointers to stories that hadn’t hit mainstream until after Q pointed them out and it’s too well researched for one person.

    The purpose of Q is to inform and help counter the constant barrage of propaganda that passes for news or informed editorial opinion.

    The truth of Q may never be known but to think that it influenced voters by a few thousand is very, very wrong. Some basic research on internet traffic numbers on the places where Q followers congregate would be enlightening to you. I’ll make it easy for you though and point you to Time magazine for the last couple of years fo the most influential people on the internet.

  36. Anon[958] • Disclaimer says:

    The earliest source for the claim that Trump was asked to run for President by the military / law enforcement that I’m aware of is from Steve Pieczenik

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Pieczenik

    Pieczenik himself is supposedly former CIA (officially he was in the State Department), having specialized in psyops. Now he is a regular infowars contributor as well as the owner of a nutritional supplement company.

    As for Q, only retards believe it’s real. The real question is who is / are Q? I believe it was a hoax. For evidence of this, see the following pastebin, which supposedly was written by someone who had been involved in the hoax:

    https://pastebin.com/FE3i2uru

    I was linked initially to this document by the late @the_war_economy on Twitter, who used to do great open source research on a variety of topics. His last research thread was solving (IMO) spygate.

    His research threads are listed at https://pastebin.com/beVax0QV
    His thread on Q is at https://twitter.com/The_War_Economy/status/942391945393004545

    Unrelated, I wish someone would do something similar on George Webb, Jason Goodman, and Jerome Corsi. All shady characters.

  37. AWM says:

    Thoughts, yes, I know, rare, but sometimes even I get them.

    “The Buffalo Bills will never win the Super Bowl.”
    Anybody remember the Lone Gunman and the World Trade center?
    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    If the “Q” thing is anything but disinformation I’ll be shocked.
    No matter what “side” it comes from.
    Communists are superb at disinformation and the Deep State is Communist.

    CIA counterintelligence expert James Angleton, “I never understood the great advantage the Russians had over us…. As Americans, we just hold no real value in secrecy. God, it was such a simple explanation.”

  38. @Sean

    ” Eisenhower gave Israel a nuclear reactor ”
    You’re well informed, it was France, thanking Israel for support in the French Algerian war.
    France lost the war, some 600.000 jews left Algeria.
    U2′s saw nothing, USA inspectors noticed false walls.
    About Oswald, I read long ago the Warren report.
    Too good to be true, I thought then.
    A few years later Whitewash tore it to pieces

    • Replies: @Sean
  39. Iberiano says:
    @Anonymous

    “Think.” “Use Logic” “We have everything”

    There ! Totally believable.

  40. Bugg says:
    @llloyd

    By all accounts despite being a liberal, JFK Jr. was a very decent guy. A friend of mine was also very good friends and in the process of going into business with JFK Jr. . Such a good friend that he and his then girlfriend/now wife were waiting for his arrival on Martha’s Vineyard on the evening of the plane crash. JFK Jr. is in fact dead. Whether he died because he was inexperienced pilot with a cast on his leg or the victim of the Clinton cabal keeping him from running for a NY Senate seat which would have easily been his for the asking, different and open question.

  41. The real JFK conspiracy is all the people Oswald beat to the punch trying to convince everyone else they did it.

  42. Sean says:
    @jilles dykstra

    It was reported on 16 Dec 1960 by the English newspaper the Daily Express that France had agreed to SELL Israel a reactor and a reprocessing plant , which was all Israel needed to refine the plutonium do they could make thermonuclear bombz.

    U.S. intelligence confirmed in September 1960 that Israel had secretly constructed at Dimona a nuclear reactor capable of producing weapons-grade plutonium and Eisenhower thus knew all this. Eisenhower had already given Israel uranium, which was enough for a a small nuclear reactor that could not be used for plutonium . but really it must have been obvious by the mid fifties to everyone in American government that Israel what Israel was going to do. Eisenhower had no problem with other countries getting nukes because he saw it as a way to lift the financial burden of defending Europe from the American taxpayer. Eisenhower tried to give Germany nuclear weapons, , which terrified Khrushchev and led to crises over Berlin and JFK continued with that initiative that led to the crisis over Cuba.

    Kennedy did not really care about Israel having nukes, but he definately wanted them to not be not open about it, that is all.

  43. Q is AI, operated out of Tyler Texas. Q’s purpose? That’s the real question.

  44. I have read half a library on JFK issues, about the man himself, his family and of course the assassination even though it is not a primary interest of mine.

    In no place, supported by no knowledge nor logic does a foreign government under Communism play a role in his demise. Oswald was a patsy. I’m sure there is a youtube somewhere even having him utter those words though that does in itself prove anything but is still contributory.

    Just like with building #7 in the 911 debate there are some basic smoking guns that discount Oswald (hence any Communist element) from being the (lone) assassin:

    1) The shots allegedly fired from the TSD are impossible to make with a modern scoped semi-automatic rifle let alone a mail order bolt action fire stick. The Mossad tried to replicate it using an ‘expert’ not a lowly marksman like Oswald and couldn’t. It is an inside joke with them according to Victor Ostrovsky.

    2) The primary suspect was eliminated by a mafia patriot named Jakob Rubenstein. Mafiosi and Commies don’t work together.

    3) The media had Oswald immediately pegged just like they did OBL decades later and the esteemed Warren Commission jumped over all kinds of evidence to reach a foregone conclusion (see N.I.S.T. report).

    In plain English, the enemy du jour has to be implicated in these most heinous of events because running high on emotions the majority of the citizenry will buy into it. It will be the only thing that makes sense. Then unfurl the flag.

    Cheers-

  45. The author of this article is absolutely correct in stating that Q is a psyop, and “that the prince of this world is the father of lies … “

  46. @Bugg

    I used to believe that the Clintons were just banal, greedy yuppie-Boomers. But after doing a little digging on them the past couple of years I realized my original assumption about the lovely couple was incorrect. They have been CIA assets since at least the early 1980s; and their connections to Haiti, the satanic House of Bush … the list is long and dark with Bill and Hill, and ends with involvement in a black magic cult. It is not out of bounds to suggest that JFK Jr. was assassinated to clear the pathway for mother of darkness Hillary to the U.S. Senate.

    • Replies: @Bugg
  47. Curle says:
    @Anonymous

    ” if it can’t be falsified, it isn’t really a theory at all.”

    Sounds like critical theory. Next you’ll be telling me that racism doesn’t cause algebra competence gaps! What are you, a Supremacist/Nazi/Neo-Confederate/Demon/Heretic/Suppressive Person/Fascist/Albigensian/Dissenter/Philistine, etc. . . . ?

  48. peterAUS says:
    @Timur The Lame

    I maintain that Trump entered the race as always to get hundreds of millions of dollars of free publicity possibly to launch another reality show. His success which surprised himself…

    Pretty much.

    • Replies: @Sean
  49. wayfarer says:

    “I’m not upset that you lied to me, I’m upset that from now on I can’t believe you.”

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche

    Game of Patsies!

    • Agree: Agent76
  50. @Sean

    ” Kennedy did not really care about Israel having nukes, but he definately wanted them to not be not open about it, that is all. ”
    I always admired mind readers;

    • Replies: @Sean
  51. @anonymous

    There is absolutely nothing in any government file on Kennedy (except Oswald’s and his mother’s income tax information as government employees) that would reveal anything. “With holding” files is a way to keep the ignorant guessing. The Kennedy assassination is obvious and plain as day. If it is not obvious to someone then no “files” will explain it to them.

  52. Sean says:
    @jilles dykstra

    That wording was a mistake.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atoms_for_Peace
    “Atoms for Peace” was the title of a speech delivered by U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower to the UN General Assembly in New York City on December 8, 1953.

    I feel impelled to speak today in a language that in a sense is new – one which I, who have spent so much of my life in the military profession, would have preferred never to use.

    That new language is the language of atomic warfare.[1]

    The United States then launched an “Atoms for Peace” program that supplied equipment and information to schools, hospitals, and research institutions within the U.S. and throughout the world. The first nuclear reactors in Iran, Israel[2] and Pakistan were built under the program by American Machine and Foundry, a company more commonly known as a major manufacturer of bowling equipment.

  53. Sean says:
    @peterAUS

    Maybe at the very begining he was not sure himself how serious he was, but Trump’s wealth was not based on his reality show, and he was risking everything once he became a real contender, because would not have been given another show as a real political threat to the establishment. They would have ruined him and quite possibly imprisoned him.. The PR stunt thing ceased to be tenable once Trump doubled down on the campaign and talked about rapes and murders by immigrants. Few people thought he had a chance then and it was all or nothing after the halfway mark, no going back to his old life, as I am sure he understood.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  54. This article is a silly teen age prank.

    • Replies: @utu
  55. Time to stop this phony wondering. CIA killed JFK. RFK too. Everybody with a 3-digit IQ knows this. That photo of Ed Lansdale with the tramps was CIA’s ‘Huh huh, Whatta ya gonna do about it?’ CIA did it because, by law, since 1947, CIA can get away with it. The DCI decides if the court can touch it. Back then Sen. Tydings was the lone legislator with the balls to point out that Sec. 202 means CIA can get away with anything. CIA sicced McCarthy on him.

    By the 1970s, CIA had pissed off the entire world with torture, coercive interference, and aggression to the point that the UN member nations defined aggression with an explicit reference to WMD in the diplomatic equivalent of cocking the 10 gauge. This gave Congress silly ideas that maybe they weren’t CIA’s bitch, so Don Gregg dropped in on the Church and Pike committees and told them STFU or it’s martial law. Don Gregg then blackmailed the crap out of them and everybody else with Craig Spence’s poon ring and ABSCAM, and bribed the crap out of them with Tongsun Park’s KCIA money. Nowadays CIA bribes their congressional pawns with Israeli money.

    CIA whacked JFK because CIA is your government. JFK was was an insubordinate puppet ruler so he had to go, BLAM BLAM. CIA purged Nixon with Watergate (read Russ Baker.) CIA whacked Reagan so they could rule directly (see Operation Nine Lives. They just winged him: CIA fails a lot like that – you don’t have to be too careful when you know you get away with it by law.) CIA (Blee, Wilshire, Black, Brennan, Bowman) did 911 with Saudi and Israeli cutouts, Amerithrax too. They did it so they could cement their domestic control with secret COG procedures for illegal state of emergency. CIA killed Wellstone cause he wouldn’t shut up.

    Whenever you submit to these humiliating ‘Mother-May-I’ games with CIA, ‘Please pretty please give us the historical records,’ you’re knuckling under. Any actual democracy would have published the records decades ago. Just admit you’re not allowed to show CIA whacked JFK because they rule your totalitarian state and they can kill you or torture you or ruin you if they want.

    • Replies: @anon
  56. Bugg says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    There was a time when Bill Clinton was a great retail politician with a big ego and ambition to match who liked to get laid. At some point after his crash&burn giving the Dem Convention keynote address, clear Clinton and his wife’s quest for power took a very different and darker path.

  57. Agent76 says:

    Jan 10, 2014 How LBJ Killed JFK: Money, Attorneys, and the Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy Theory

    Oliver Barr McClellan, entrepreneur, counsel and author, born in 1939 in Cuero (aka Rawhide), Texas, became widely known by his 2003 book Blood, Money & Power on the Kennedy assassination.

  58. It is asserted that shortly before Kennedy was murdered Johnson had a meeting with USA rabbis.
    The Liberty conspiracy between McNamara and Israel was directed against Egypt
    Israeli stupidity in the jamming, and brave behaviour of the Liberty crew, prevented nuking of Egypt.
    Mc Namara called the bombers back, what their exact targets were, nobody seems to know.
    Anyhow, involvement of Johnson in the Kennedy murder does not exclude, in my opinion, that also Israel was involved.

  59. @anonymous

    Dude.

    My anger is that the writer says that no one who follows Trump knows why he did not release the rest of the files. Trump was very clear on why he did not release them. And he also said he would release them albeit in 2020.

    What does what I personally happen to think might be why the remaining files were not released have to do with anything?

    The point of my post was that the writer of this essay put forth an utterly bullshit proposition in paragraph 4.

    Trump made a very clear statement upon deciding not to release the final documents and also made a very clear statement as to when he would release them finally.

    My reply to you is: why ask why? Who cares about why? How could anyone know why? Neither you nor me. Your question is irrelevant.

  60. Durruti says:
    @DESERT FOX

    “The truth is that JFK and RFK and JFK jr. were all killed by a combination of the CIA and the MOSSAD and rogue elements within the U.S. government and so the official truth will never be known as these same elements in particular the Zionists control the U.S. government.

    The same holds true on the Zionist and rogue elements of the U.S. governments attack on the WTC on 911, the truth is in plain sight but the power of the Zionist choke hold on the U.S. will never let the truth come out !”

    Exactly!

    Nice & clear!

    This article, and many of the comments are efforts at misdirection.

    Only those with the political Control/Power are capable of covering up the Coup D’état and murder of our last Constitutional President, John F. Kennedy. They control the mainstream media as well as the co-called ‘alternate media.’

    Any other assassin/s would have been exposed on Day 1.

    The needed discussion should not be about who did it, (murdered JFK, his brother Robert, Robert’s close friend ML King, Malcolm X, John Lennon, Officer Tippet, – and then Oswald, and his assassin, Jack RUBENSTEIN), but about how to bring the Terrorists to Justice.

    Our goal must be to Restore our Republic, and with it, our Nation’s sovereignty, that were assassinated, in a hail of bullets, on November 22, 1963. The Restoration will be a Revolutionary Process that will enable justice to be done – to the Zionist terrorist and Zionist puppet assassins.

    Only our Renewed American Republic, with our empowered American Citizens can unearth all the technical details of – The Crime of the Last Century. No one else will accomplish this for us. Santa Claus is for children.

    Ourselves Alone!

    It is time to enable the cure.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX, tac
  61. utu says:
    @ploni almoni

    This article is a silly teen age prank.

    Just like the whole Q-Anon hoax/psyop. In Russia there were stories spread around peasants about the good Tsar who is surrounded by bad boyars who prevent Tsar from doing what he really wants to do to help the common people.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  62. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @Deborah Jeane Palfrey

    Whenever you submit to these humiliating ‘Mother-May-I’ games with CIA, ‘Please pretty please give us the historical records,’ you’re knuckling under. Any actual democracy would have published the records decades ago.

    exactly, same with the Las Vegas shooter

    the govt has no right to withhold this info from the people

  63. Profound meme on 22 Nov 1963 and today

  64. nsa says:

    Off topic, but the World Chess Championship 2018 is taking place right now. Magnus Carlsen (Norway) is being challenged by Fabiano Caruana (Italian / American). The 10th Game today was quite exciting featuring a very sharp unbalanced attack Sicilian opening, but ended in another draw after five hours so the match is even…..10 games and ten draws. Next game is to be played Saturday morning 11/24 starting at 7 AM PST and can be viewed in real time with Grand Master commentary over at YouTube. Computers damned near turned the majestic game into just another computer algorithm…..but not quite. Any chess players out there, tune in Saturday morning.

  65. Pft says:

    Trump works for the Cabal who have employed the fake wrestling strategy in our reality show. Depending on which side you are on Trump vs Dems Deep State MSM is a classic heel (bad guy) vs face (good guy) matchup. Everything is well scripted and coordinated by the Cabal who likely utilize hollywood writers to write it up. Q is a Cabal created entity designed to support the fiction

    Fake wrestling requires good acting and Trump is an actor. It also requires a good heel and Trump is that for most people. In fake wrestling some in the audience root for the heels and they are Trumps supporters

    So we not only have fake news but fake reality. Now Q does present some truth when he says the Cabal took over this country after JFK was whacked. In truth that was only the start of the Civil War between the Illuminated Globalists (Cabal) and Nationalists which finally ended when Nixon got brought down (and in between a lot of assassinations). Watergate was a Deep State operation run by the same Cabal who took out JFK. By 1974 the coup was completed. An attempt to legally and openly redo the constitution failed but by 1975 the new constitition , global in scope was put in place secretly. No more freedoms, just permissions granted by the state and obligations owed by citizens and interdependence of all nations under one rule

    Took awhile to weed out all the nationalists from true power positions in society. This was accomplished shortly after 9/11. Unfortunately nobody today gets to be high up in the military or intelligence fields, or stay rich without passing loyalty tests to the Cabal. They know what happens if they break with the Cabal. Once you are in you are in forever, or else. So the reality is there is no group of Patriots looking to overturn the Cabal.

    Indeed the Cabal has spread its roots throughout all institutions of society in the US and much of the world. They create your fake reality and consider Truth and those who speak it the enemy . Deal with it by remembering Ignorance is Bliss. Pick a Heel or Face and cheer them on.

    Not Q

  66. peterAUS says:
    @Sean

    Let’s agree to disagree and move on.

  67. As long as Q has no links to

    “Avenue Q”

    fine with me.

  68. Mordechai Vanunu is an Israeli former nuclear technician, says Israel behind JFK assassination.

    http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/vanunu.html

    Mordechai Vanunu, Israel’s most famous dissident free after 18 years in prison, is ready to defy the severe restrictions imposed upon him by the Israeli military and tell the western media everything he knows about the Middle East’s largest secret arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. However, because the hidden stockpiles belong to Israel, no American news outlet is interested in discussing this, except American Free Press.

    “I have sacrificed my freedom and risked my life in order to expose the danger of nuclear weapons, which threaten this whole region,” Vanunu said in an exclusive interview with American Free Press on July 28.

    Vanunu spent 18 years in an Israeli prison—11 and a half of them in solitary confinement—for providing evidence of Israel’s nuclear arsenal to a British newspaper in 1986. “I acted on behalf of all citizens and all of humanity,” said Vanunu.

    Comments made by Vanunu during an interview with Al Hayat’s weekly magazine Al Wassat, published on July 25, made headlines around the world but were completely ignored in the United States, where they could have caused immense political damage to Israel. As The Jerusalem Post’s article headline read, “Vanunu: Israel behind JFK assassination.”

    Russia’s Pravda article of July 27 began: “Israel may be implicated in the biggest crime of the past century, which took place in Dallas in 1963.”

    Iran’s Tehran Times, writing from Jerusalem, said: “In a startling accusation, nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu has alleged that Jerusalem was behind the assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy, who was exerting pressure on the then Israeli head of state to shed light on the Dimona nuclear plant.”

    Similar articles appeared in newspapers around the world, but in the United States this explosive news was only reported by wire services and in Jewish newspapers.

    Vanunu’s comments that there are “near-certain indications” that Israel was involved in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy support the thesis of Michael Collins Piper, presented in his book Final Judgment, that Israeli agents played a key role in the murder.

    AFP asked Vanunu to explain his comments about Israeli involvement in the murder of President Kennedy.

    “My view is that Kennedy was assassinated because of his strong opposition to [Israeli prime minister] Ben Gurion,” Vanunu said.

    At the time, Ben Gurion was working to create a nuclear arsenal for Israel.

    The group that was involved with Ben Gurion in developing and protecting Israel’s nuclear arsenal “was behind the assassination of Kennedy,” Vanunu said.

    As Piper documents in Final Judgment, Kennedy’s resistance to Israel becoming a nuclear-armed state led to increasing hostility between the two leaders until Ben Gurion resigned in June 1963. Kennedy had realized that the Israelis were producing illegal nuclear weapons from the nuclear reactor given to Israel in 1959 under the “Atoms for Peace” program.

    In the Al Wassat interview, Vanunu said: “Israel possesses between 100 and 200 nuclear weapons, including a neutron bomb and hydrogen bombs, which are tenfold in their effect. If an atomic bomb can kill 100,000 people then the hydrogen bomb can kill a million.

    “We do not know which irresponsible Israeli prime minister will take office and decide to use nuclear weapons in the struggle against neighboring Arab countries,” The Jerusalem Post reported Vanunu having said. “What has already been exposed about the weapons Israel is holding [is that they] can destroy the region and kill millions.”

    Michael Collins Piper – Final Judgement -The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy

    http://americanfreepress.net/PDF/Final_Judgment.pdf

    Happy Thanksgiving!

  69. Anon[141] • Disclaimer says:

    But now, with Q talking about military tribunals for the members of Cabal, many of the same people are applauding the idea of doing away with due process and Constitutional rights for those accused of a crime

    .

    Which is why, whatever one may mean by “justice”, justice is never really attainable.

  70. A different shop at CIA pays untenurable academic hacks to pathologize ‘conspiracy theory.’ This of course is conspiracy theory as defined by CIA memo 1035-960 in 1967, when CIA’s JFK bedtime story was starting to fail the laugh test.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/11/why-conspiracy-theories-are-not-just-harmless-joke

    The idea is, if you don’t think what CIA tells you to think, you’re nuts. It’s Soviet-style вялотеку́щая шизофрени́я for people who aren’t stupid enough to fall for CIA propaganda (by now that’s the eight top deciles of the IQ distribution.)

  71. Uncle Sam says:
    @JLK

    How can Trump be opposed to the Deep State when he has at least 2 confirmed Deep Staters in his entourage, i.e., John Bolton and Mike Pompeo?

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  72. @JLK

    “Pressure relief valves.”

    Precicely. Cathartic relief valves in a Hegelian dialectic fashion. Trump is deep state up to his eyeballs. JFK was deep state but then defected.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  73. gsjackson says:
    @llloyd

    JFK Jr. is, according to most of the Q speculation, riding around to Trump rallies in a “Trumpmobile” and answers to the name Vincent Fusca (translated as conqueror of darkness).

  74. siamdave says: • Website

    ‘The Q phenomenon could be killed in an instant, in a very simple way. All President Trump has to do is tweet: “Q is not real. It’s not anyone connected to me.”’
    haha funny – if Trump did this, the exact opposite would happen – the entire corporate media would immediately be absolutely convinced that Q was a real thing, and the Democrats would be setting up endless committees to find him. They don’t even think about anything, they just mindlessly oppose everything Trump does or says.

  75. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @llloyd

    The Catholic Church has nothing against cremation. Lots of Catholics are cremated after the full catholic funeral service.

    Originally the church mandated burial but cremation was permitted back in 1963.

    Cremation is becoming popular is that cemeteries take up too much valuable land near cities. Environmentalists promote cremation for that reason.

    I like Ickes too. Same way I like Star Wars.

  76. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Good comment Israel is the most viable suspect.

  77. Robjil says:
    @utu

    The use of the letter is Q is a half-brained/ass/way game. IQ is touted by many Israel firsters as the main reason that they rule the west. What the IQ initials really represents to them is the Israel Question, since Israel first is their main goal on this tiny planet. The Q game left out the I or the J in front of the Q. Q would be a realistic game if it mentioned the I or J question. Otherwise it is only a halfway game. No one gets anywhere by only going halfway. It is like landing in Minnesota in the middle of the US instead of getting to California from NY.

    • Replies: @utu
  78. anastasia says:

    “The only thing teenage boys like more than beer is sex.) But much more important than any of that is the fact that Kavanaugh is alleged to have helped cover up the likely murder of Vince Foster when he worked for Ken Starr’s investigation of Bill Clinton in the 1990s. A witness in the Foster case, Patrick Knowlton, recently recounted his experience with Kavanaugh during that investigation on Ed Opperman’s podcast. So how does Kavanaugh go from covering for the Clintons to being on team Lock-Her-Up?”

    FINALLY SOMEONE BRINGS UP THIS MOST IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT KAVANAUGH.

  79. @Timothy Fitzpatrick

    JFK worship here is out of hand. Kennedy was a full fledged globalist and worked hand in hand with the Soviets for world wide gun control and a one world government. Kennedy’s request for the Iron Mountain Reports prove he was all about a global lock down in the name of “Peace”. I am well aware he was long gone before it was completed, but he is the one who got the ball rolling. I challenge all to watch this video and tell me it was not the start of many of the losses of freedom we have seen in our life times.

  80. anastasia says:
    @restless94110

    Only HE doesn’t believe everything. All other Trump supporters, because they are stupid, believe everything he says.

    Just more insults so the writers can look cleverer than the rest of us.

  81. anastasia says:

    Here’s are the pertinent questions about Trump. The media showed that they hated him from the beginning, so why did they put him front and center during the primary debates?

    Why did they give him so much publicity.

    If they didn’t want him, they could have Ron Pauled him out of the election.

    Second question: How could all the polls be so completely wrong?

    Answer: They can’t.

    • Replies: @anon
  82. anastasia says:

    The most important JFK writer is Jim Garrison. No one talks about him, but he was the writer most persuasive, and no one can doubt his sincerity. He was a very good man. The CIA had Kennedy killed, and all those in gov’t involved in the aftermath covered it up. Of that I have no doubt.

  83. @Uncle Sam

    Keep your enemies close.
    Know nothing about Pompeo, but Bolton is so stupid that when he was USA ambassador at the UN staff often had the greatest problems of not bursting into laughter when having something to do with this man.

    • Replies: @JLK
  84. anon[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @anastasia

    Here’s are the pertinent questions about Trump. The media showed that they hated him from the beginning, so why did they put him front and center during the primary debates?

    Why did they give him so much publicity.

    they didn’t think he could win in November

    they probably thought they were doing hillary a favor by pushing him in the primaries

  85. Salandria is another guy who keeps his eye on the ball. CIA implicated themselves at the outset and they dig themselves in deeper with every new propaganda slogan.

    https://alethonews.com/2018/11/22/jfk-55-years-on-casting-light-on-9-11-other-21st-century-crimes/

    A criminal enterprise took over this country by force. What are you going to do about it?

  86. utu says:
    @Robjil

    Benjamin Fulford operating from Japan, I think, is Q Anon’s precursor. Here is his recent sample.

    The dismantling of the Khazarian mafia control grid continues with ongoing takedown of the leadership of Saudi Israelia, say Pentagon, CIA, and other sources. In particular, negotiations are now taking place between Russia and the U.S. to divide Saudi Arabia into a Sunni zone controlled by Turkey and a Shia zone controlled by Iran, according to CIA and FSB sources.

    The other thing going on is that the long-awaited arrests of cabalists in the U.S. have already begun, the sources say. The highest-profile of these are senior Goldman Sachs bankers arrested along with former Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak for looting money from that country. One of the uses for the stolen money was to finance the Rothschild-glorifying film “The Wolf of Wall Street.”

    More of the over 61,000 sealed indictments will be unsealed after the U.S. midterm elections, but already, “Gitmo Air is wheels up,” the Pentagon sources say.

    But go back to his 2015 and 2016 spins and they play on the same seductive desire for wishful thinking as Q Anon does.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  87. m111ark says:

    “For those of us who believe that the prince of this world is the father of lies…”

    Am I reading too much into this phrase….

    or do you really mean the actual ‘prince of this world’?

  88. JLK says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Know nothing about Pompeo, but Bolton is so stupid that when he was USA ambassador at the UN staff often had the greatest problems of not bursting into laughter when having something to do with this man.

    He’s not stupid, but he is a dangerous idealogue.

  89. Herald says:
    @Amon

    Candidates have been lying to the public for generations. The difference nowadays is that the public is either too stupid to notice or is just too cynical to care.

    • Replies: @flashlight joe
  90. @Herald

    It is the incredible campaign of propaganda that has taken it’s toll on the American mind. Very few people understand the power and effects of a well designed and effectively implemented campaign of propaganda. Read chapter 6 of Mein Kampf(12 pages) to understand how propaganda works to manipulate the public mind.

  91. TheBear says:
    @Timur The Lame

    That’s interesting. So am I understanding that correctly, are you saying all conspiracy stories come from unbalanced minds?

    No distinction between them then, anyone doubting the credibility of the official explanation for any given historical event is a nutter?

  92. I’ve never followed so-called “Q”.

    Other than to note it was obviouly vague, cryptic bullshit. The only questions are who and what purpose is served with “Q”. The longevity goes against recreataional LARPing, I think.

    Regardless, the purpose is to make me believe bullshit.

    I don’t believe in bullshit.

    • Replies: @anon
  93. anon[365] • Disclaimer says:
    @Backwoods Bob

    What an appropriate User ID. The questions you ask have been answered a long time ago and wouldn’t require much effort to find. Thankfully, the Q community has gotten this far without you.

    • Replies: @anon
  94. anon[851] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Thankfully, the Q community has gotten this far without you.

    lol, and where’s that?

    • Replies: @Mike P
  95. @Haxo Angmark

    for sure! there is no cabal..or there is one no matter what it is called. but it is all of them..every last one of the real rich

    Lil’ Kennedy is dead for sure and Q is a fake, drawn up by the Cabal to mislead the people. by now the only opposed sides in the USA are the political groups fighting for the positions of chief puppets.

    its clear JFK was for real and his support was the catholic church..at least a powerful part of it. now the Kennedys are dead, that family neutralized and the Catholic church regime changed and pacified

    and all the while this Q trash if flowing Brave New World rises, pieces erected every day by the real Cabal.

    the American people are well prepped for anything that is mysterious and requires belief. the people are not religious for nutten. I am sure we will be fed mysterious figures all the time in elaborate conspiracy theories and plots to our hearts content from now on. it works for the state

    real honest to goodness change can come only from the people with a vested interest in that. and those people are the majority..those who actually work for a living, and their dependents. people can do and always live according to their social/individual interest. that is so because nothing else is logical and possible

    from the peoples interest Trump is a fake a fraud and a trap. thats easy to see. Trump wont let down the rich. has has not yet done anything to harm their interests..only to strengthen them

  96. I have not seen one comment on here that indicates more than an intermediate understanding of the reform required to avert America’s descent into chaos.

    Analysis: America has deeply rooted structural problems: a black underclass, currently bleeding to do, after having been sold a lie by the cultural Marxists in the hard left (hate whitey, You are owed reparations, America is systemically racist, etc.); an overtaxed middle-class decimated by Wall Street; out of control FIRE section of the economy due to financial deregulation started under Clinton and completed by Bush and Obama; Debt due to Obama’s failure to negotiate a repayment plan when America bailed out Big Finance in ’09; MIC and CIA that are siphoning the U.S. tax base off whilst funding black ops, false flags,.etc. and poisoning America with drugs; a two-party system that viciously competes for power and poisons civil discourse; and a population of women who have bought a lie that they are ‘oppressed’ and are not reproducing Anglo-America which takes us to immigration, a serious problem as their are 25 million illegals, most of whom are Hispanic and distort the economy, culture as well as voting in elections (wtf?).

    No one but an outsider could even begin to address America’s real problems. Trump.has his work cut out for.him. Oh, did I mention the liar-press and the hollyweird nut jobs?

    Any American who loves his country, and any Westerner who loves his civilization, should pray for Trump to drain the swamp before it’s too late.

    The failure to address these problems, let alone solve them, over 30 years means America needs reform before it’s too late and it gets sucked.into a vortex of internal dissent and insanity. On 2016, I was relieved that an outsider, Trump, came in to break the logjam. It wall take 2 terms of Trump to turn the ship around.

    Mark my words, the Democrats will devolve into civil war and implode. I predict.a Republican ascendacy-two terms of Trump followed by 1-2 terms of a successor.

    When this process is complete, America will have: evicted the parasites (illegals, traitors and vulture capitalists), reformed welfare, ended abortion on demand on the taxpayers dime, re-instated Glass-Steagall, completed several Constitutional amendments and grown the economy while redoing nuclear treaties.with Russia.and China. Americans love their country more than the greedy cunts who want to cannibalize it and suck it dry.

    You heard it here first MoFos. Blessed be.the peacemakers.
    FYI: I don’t hate Jews anymore but they owes the West a.big fucking apology. You bitches need to decide whose fucking team you’re on. And I mean right fucking now. You either settle the fuck down or you will be cut out and expelled. Americans have had enough of parasites and pimps.

    • Replies: @Prusmc
    , @anon
    , @Ben Sampson
  97. Tony M says:

    Jack Ravenwood: “(One important finding – to my knowledge totally unreported in any mainstream source – is that the stolen DNC emails were transferred at a speed far too fast to have been done by outside hacking, whether by Russians across the sea or teenagers down the block. Instead they must have been transferred onto a USB, by someone inside the DNC. Gee, I wonder who that could have been.)”

    The argument (if that is what this is based on) that the time/date stamps indicate anything of value evidentially is fairly absurd, these can be altered/forged at will.

    This, written almost two years ago: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/12/cias-absence-conviction/ completely rules out the Russian or any other ‘hack’ nonsense to my satisfaction, quotes a Guardian (a vile neo-con rag) article, which was deleted after being visible for about 3-hours: “Craig Murray, the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, who is a close associate of Assange, called the CIA claims “bullshit”, adding: “They are absolutely making it up.”
    “I know who leaked them,” Murray said. “I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things.”

    Murray himself writes: “Now both Julian Assange and I have stated definitively the leak does not come from Russia. Do we credibly have access? Yes, very obviously. Very, very few people can be said to definitely have access to the source of the leak. The people saying it is not Russia are those who do have access. After access, you consider truthfulness. Do Julian Assange and I have a reputation for truthfulness? Well in 10 years not one of the tens of thousands of documents WikiLeaks has released has had its authenticity successfully challenged. As for me, I have a reputation for inconvenient truth telling. ”

    I doubt (in case this is wrongly implied) it could have been Murray himself who conveyed the memory stick to another party as he was at the time of the leak (it is thought July 2016 or thereabouts?), fighting to obtain a visa renewal to visit the US, was due to attend a whistleblowers conference/award ceremony there and did not obtain that 10-year visa until September 2016, long after emails were public and the leak was old news.

  98. Prusmc says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    I Don’t know what you’re smoking, snorten, shoot in or drinking but I wish I could have your optimism.

  99. @ TheBear,

    Learn to read or sober up, whichever comes first.

    Cheers-

    • Replies: @TheBear
  100. TheBear says:
    @Timur The Lame

    Oh, your mental diarrhea like writing style is convoluted and plain unintelligible.

    What are you, a Derrida-meets-the-chav wannabee and failed writer?

    Learn proper grammar and to write clearly in English, good manners and also to reply to a comment properly by clicking on that big fat grey button with the word “REPLY” on it, whichever comes first, you cheeky dimwit.

    http://quickwritingtips.blogspot.com/2013/05/how-to-fix-convoluted-writing.html

    You’re welcome.

  101. Sunbeam says:

    I’ve done a lot of reading on Q material the past few months. And a lot of reading on my own to try and decide if it was ludicrous BS.

    My conclusion is that the world described by Q is pretty much the one we live in, with the actors he describes.

    Before I say anything else, I am going to use the word “Illuminati.” It’s not the only name “they” have gone by. It’s not the name they call themselves now (at least from what I can gather). Actually any given group of them find it necessary or convenient to change their name ever century or so – and that is the timescale we are talking about.

    And I want to say that Luciferian is probably a more accurate description to use, but Illuminati presses the buttons of people commenting on this thread more.

    So who are the Illuminati? The core I guess are generational families who have been doing this sort of thing for a long time. The rest are people recruited in, by circumstance or by need. “Need” would mean someone like a head of state or a high ranking military man.

    Any number of ways to recruit one. Give them underage girls – or boys. Record the act. Got you then. And hey, if you play ball you’ll get all kinds of rewards – including more underage girls or boys. Or you might find that if you don’t play ball, whether you turn down the honey trap or not, your career just doesn’t go anywhere.

    Here is an interview with a Dutch financier from a few years ago. Got a good bit of play at the time:

    I doubt I go much further with this, but I want to say a bit about what little is known of the Luciferian religion – and these people are religious. You’ve been purposefully conditioned to view religion and belief as the signs of a backward, inferior mind.

    But see, these people are religious – in their own way. And in the end they view you as cattle anyway. So maybe you aren’t as smart as you think you are?

    As for the religion I’d imagine they would describe Christianity as a heretical offshoot of the “True” religion, which is theirs – and that religion that is almost infinitely malleable as well.

    Basically you have a pretty generic set of Middle Eastern gods. Analogues represented in pre-monotheistic Judaism as well – if you roll that way. The core of it is Babylonian Mysticism, synthesized with a lot of Egyptian material (and Egyptian Mythology had some analogues with other Middle Eastern Religions Isis=Astarte=Tanit=Ishtar). Coherent? Logical? Organic even? Well no, but I doubt they care.

    And to cheerfully throw out some more logs for the fire. Nothing is as you have thought it to be. These people are all involved in “The Great Work,” but they have fought among themselves continually over the ages. Nazis? Communists? Both originated by the “Illuminati,” and nothing more than competing factions – with lots of sheeple dying in the process.

    And I haven’t even brought up some of their more obnoxious practices, what purpose it serves, and what they get out of it.

    But you guys (the readers here) this is who you are:

    And you ain’t the puppet master.

    One other thing, the article writer got something wrong. The story goes that Trump ran upon request, as a last ditch attempt to avoid something that was the original plan: Declare Martial Law and clean this thing up by force.

    Melodramatic? Maybe. But since many think a manipulated nuclear war was part of the plan to implement a One World Government (yeah, that one), which is part of “The Great Work,” well there didn’t seem to be too many options.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
  102. Mike P says:
    @anon

    Thankfully, the Q community has gotten this far without you.

    lol, and where’s that?

    On the first hot air balloon ride to outer space.

  103. anon[657] • Disclaimer says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    Mark my words, the Democrats will devolve into civil war and implode. I predict.a Republican ascendacy-two terms of Trump followed by 1-2 terms of a successor.

    When this process is complete, America will have: evicted the parasites (illegals, traitors and vulture capitalists), reformed welfare, ended abortion on demand on the taxpayers dime, re-instated Glass-Steagall, completed several Constitutional amendments and grown the economy while redoing nuclear treaties.with Russia.and China. Americans love their country more than the greedy cunts who want to cannibalize it and suck it dry.

    good luck with that

    you not only have abortion on demand at tapayer expense, its getting to the point you have tranny surgery on demand at taxpayer expense

    You heard it here first MoFos. Blessed be.the peacemakers.
    FYI: I don’t hate Jews anymore but they owes the West a.big fucking apology. You bitches need to decide whose fucking team you’re on. And I mean right fucking now. You either settle the fuck down or you will be cut out and expelled. Americans have had enough of parasites and pimps.

    here’s a clue, they’re not on your side

  104. @ BigBear,

    Where I live the major internet providers have not adequately serviced a 3 kilometer section leaving no viable high speed internet options so I am relegated to using the same dial-up access I have used since 1998.

    Ergo this site’s ‘reply’ function is not an option for me. I post this in case anyone else might wonder why I reply as I do.

    Now pay attention Bubi. Statement analysis is something I do and I noticed that you referred to me with the flowery phrase “Derrida-meets-the-chav wannabe failed writer ”

    Do you see what you did there? Look up projection. Added to which you admonished me about not having good manners and then promptly refer to me as a “cheeky dimwit”. You are on a roll.

    Do you really find my grammar difficult to follow? Is it because I don’t use emojis interspersed with ROFLMAO type acronyms? I think that I convey my thoughts pretty clearly. If you re-read my initial post you would see that your first reply to it was totally unwarranted. If you can’t acknowledge that much then feel free to hang yourself through further dialogue but it won’t be with me.

    Anyways, thanks for the Derrida compliment. I’m touched.

    Cheers-

  105. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    very interesting indeed. it is also interesting that I bothered with it. this content and approach is late by more than a thousand years. and the witzcohen poster surely knows that. that post is a deception of some sort like a whole lot posted here

    and he is looking for an outsider to come in an solve americas problem..because only an outsider can do it.

    but he does not like immigrants:! who will that outsider be..what rather?

    but he must know that answer must be american or there will be no answer. and the most fruitful source are the american ordianry people themselves acting in solution to their own collective problems.

    there is where the answer is wiztcohen. go there and with the people work it out…raise the people up in their democracy-socialism..real not false – acting in, living in collective ownership and responsibility for their society

    there you will find every answer you need but there is where you are not looking according to that piece. you are looking at white middle upper class america as america..exactly where there is no answer at all..which is why the man starts so despondent.

    Black america is an underclass by economic measurement but how underclass are they really. they have lived and multiplied tremendously despite what america has been and is to Black people. they are a source of tremendous energy, skills and intellect that has survived all that white america has throw at them for centuries… but the tide is turning. and as it does fully, such as witzcohen will have a hard time keeping up. most will be outstripped by Black Americans.

    actually what Black people are is a tremendous resource Black american is to america witzcohen does not understand Black america..or does he?

    what Black american repressents in human terms is tremendous and they are just getting ready to roll again. they are, along with the rest of ordinary america, whites, mixed..
    actually is can revolutionize america positively, for real this time..deal with american from the working class, ordinary perspective and collective interest

    amrica will evolve and led by ordinary americans. there is no need for that foolishness ‘someone from outside to save america’

    what witzcohen sounds like almost everyone who post here is utterly racist towards black people in particular. why does he then bother to comment if not as he really is racist! at least that would make sense..we would not have to work out his meaning.

    but to hell with that. there is no answer where he is coming from and his ideas make little sense. the answer to america’s problem…which is capitalism and the evil it has wrought on society and continues to is the people in revolutionary creation, eliminating capitalism and putting in place systematically ways to organize themselves for running their country successfully..without capitalists ownership and financial oligarchy, bureaucracy, MIC running around the world killing people and getting killed too, to fatten the pockets of the few rich..the 1%.

    no more CIA, FBI…crazy cops everywhere killing ordinary americans for little valid reason while the rich get away with murder and overall Lucifer behavior

    what witzcohen appears to be seeking is to reinvigorate the middle class society attached to the rich elites that threatens what witzcohen wants. but thats done..never to rise again. it will be socialism by the people for the people, established and effected by the people in their collective interest..or Brave New World..a win by the Illuminati and the elongation of the only program they can create and effect to manage society…a minority dictatorial program…that locks down the ordinary people permanently and seems by scientific means to eradicate out of humanity any tendency and ability and pull towards democracy

    but we all know this..forever now it seems. how come witzcohen does not?

  106. @Timur The Lame

    Ding Ding Ding! I think that Timur The Lame has summed it up nicely.

    I remember seeing Trump’s face on election night as it became clear that he might actually win. Trump’s demeanor very clearly signaled “Oh…Shit…” I remember chortling at the TV something along the lines of “You didn’t expect to win did you, ya poor sob!”
    This explains a lot in terms of why Trump appeared to have no real plan for moving his agenda forward upon winning or accomplishing the nuts and bolts of taking office. Instead he was flailing and has progressively surrounded himself by more and more establishment figures.

    Trump is blissfully free from either ideals or ideology. This doesn’t mean he is any fool, but he’s not going to sacrifice himself for any cause. It seems that Trump’s main priority is looking after Numero Uno.

    I don’t discount conspiracy theories out of hand, but fer cryin out loud, the documented and uncontested history of the CIA outdoes most of them, to name one example!
    It seems the truth is usually a bit more prosaic although every bit as dastardly in the final estimation without resorting to lizard people, Masons, or the Illuminati.

    My personal (conspiracy?) theory on conspiracy theories is that most of them are the manifestations of people’s inchoate fears and only half understood misgivings.
    For example in the 90′s there were a lot of theories and paranoia of UN troops massing to take the country over, black helicopters, blue helmets in the desert, that sort of thing.
    This was factually wrong, but reflected a very real and legitimate fear that our country was losing it’s sovereignty and that the citizen was at the mercy of global forces.
    Our minds have been colonized by the global capitalist regime, so military force is not necessary.

    In short, the spirit of the conspiracy theory was spot on, but because so many of the theorists only half understood the nature of those fears they took a form that was almost a caricature.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Miro23
  107. anon[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ben Sampson

    actually what Black people are is a tremendous resource Black american is to america witzcohen does not understand Black america..or does he?

    what Black american repressents in human terms is tremendous and they are just getting ready to roll again. they are, along with the rest of ordinary america, whites, mixed..
    actually is can revolutionize america positively, for real this time..deal with american from the working class, ordinary perspective and collective interest

    i see numbers online where the average black costs this country $750k over their lifetime – probably due to all those being incarcerated

    so much for your tremendous resource

    • Replies: @Ben Sampson
  108. AWM says:

    “Drain the Swamp?”
    There ain’t nuthin’ but a big swamp and a bigger sewer.
    With a whole bunch of little swamps filling it. And that’s just part of North America.
    President Trump’s efforts are appreciated, but nothing short of burning it all down would do.

    Sixty thousand indictments would be woefully short even if they did exist.
    “Banana Republic” is the understatement of the year, maybe decade or even century.

    Nothing has happened the Globalists aren’t prepared for, not even Trump.
    They have all the money and all the time, little blips are eliminated with minimal effort.
    I used to think Communism/Socialism/Marxism was the threat, but it was just a “false flag.”
    Divide and conquer works, but we the people are almost past our expiration date.

    We really don’t have a clue.

  109. @Ben Sampson

    My comments re:black America were cursory. I was referring to the dependency trap initiated by LBJ’s great society. America has a successful black middle class. The issue is the underclass: single mothers on welfare raising children in section 8. That is a nightmare. Democrats have no soln and are race baiters. Reparations? Joke. End the pity party and drop the whitey hate.

    Socialism will destroy America. Being a responsible adult works wonders.

    Re: Trump. He is an outsider. Not an established elite. He will do his best to reform America but others need to meet him halfway.

    Jews are beginning to have an internal debate on their approach to politics. Bear in mind that Jew elites have conned their people analagous to Demos and blacks: fear whitey.

    Western civilization is the cure not the disease. The disease is elites who want socialism for themselves (bail outs), offer it to the rest of us then fail to deliver. In 100 years, the Communist killed 50-100million. We may never know.

    Beware the Utopians. They always create distopias.

    Optimism. I am optimistic as positive energy overpowers hats.

    The real ‘hate crimes’ are: BLM, me too, race baiting, Islam, transgenderisms ( there are 2 genders and t-sexuals are mentally ill) and Antifa (thugs and radical cultural Marxists). These morons have no solutions and offer us toxic emotions and feelings vs facts. No thank you.

    The West is the best. Stop hatey whitey and grow up punks. If you hate America and the West then leave.

    The West has two sources of internal traitors: Marxists and elite Cabals. Don’t buy there lies.

    • Replies: @bluedog
  110. crimson2 says:

    Conservatives really are the dumbest.

  111. @crimson2

    Great argument (ad hominem).

    Get out of mom’s basement. Stop compulsive masturbation. Take a walk to local 8 housing and, if you survive, come back and tell us what you saw.
    What is your analysis crimson2?

    Drop the faggotry. Be a winner. Not a Weiner.

  112. @anon

    ”i see numbers online where the average black costs this country $750k over their lifetime – probably due to all those being incarcerated’”

    right man..750 grand per nig nog. that is like Iraquis cost america 1 trillion dollars in five years. whats wrong with those guys. they are useless.

    but its america who attacked!

    who made the jails?

    750 grand per nig nog per year. pheeeeew! ..someone is making a great great deal of profit in that. I wonder who?

    • Replies: @anon
  113. Jake2 says:

    Mr. Ravenwood,

    This issue is more important than many of these readers think. I think if goes farther than just the Kennedy assassination. If most of the documents were released I think people would have a better understanding of exactly what the hell has happened in the past 55 years, or even since WWII. I phrase it like that because I’m 60 y.o., and a fairly common refrain I’ve heard, mostly from people a few years older than me, is “boy the country seemed to go to hell after the Kennedy assassination”.

    I actually would not have voted for Trump if I knew he was not going to push for full disclosure. What’s even worse is that Trump has allowed the National Archives to hire 4 archivists who continued to review documents for futher withholding and redactions even though one would have thought that was what the ARRBs very mission was.

    Also, the work of the ARRB itself in the 1990’s invites scrutiny. The determination regarding the release of every single document was to be voted on, and I assume that was the case, but all votes were cast in “closed meetings”. Additionally, the ARRB itself withheld 1% of the assassination related documents. My point is no matter how many documents are released, it’s not hard to wonder if the most revealing documents were withheld, especially given the history of this subject.

    I could continue on, but at this point, I’ll just attach a revealing letter that might point to just what I’m talking about here. In my opinion the most important and revealing documents are the testimonies taken by the Church committee in the mid 1970’s, and specifically those testimonies specifically relating to the assassination.

    To be fair and to point to a positive note, there actually are some very revealing documents that have been release. When most of the media suggest there is nothing there, that’s when you should take a closer look.

    [MORE]

    September 25, 1998
    Mr. James A. Wolfe
    Director of Security
    Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
    SH-211
    Hart Senate Office Building
    Washington, D.C. 20510-6475
    Re: Return of Church Committee Testimony
    Dear Jim:
    I am returning a number of Church Committe transcripts that you had provided us in the course of our
    work under the JFK Act. We have reviewed these transcripts and have determined that they do not
    qualify as assassination records under the JFK Act and, therefore, should not be transmitted to the
    JFK Collection. The enclosed transcripts being returned are:
    J. Angleton, 9/12/75
    J. Angleton, 1/22/76
    S. Breckenridge, 11/11/75
    G. Bush, 4/8/76
    G. Bush, 4/26/76
    M. Carter, 9/19/75
    –TOP SECRET–
    –TOP SECRET–
    Declassified When Separated from Enclosures
    W. Colby, 5/15/75
    W. Colby, 7/14/75
    W. Colby, 7/15/75
    W. Colby, 9/29/75
    W. Colby, 10/23/75
    W. Colby, 10/28/75
    W. Colby, 10/31/75
    W. Colby, 12/11/75
    L. Conein, 11/18/75
    W. Elder, 8/13/75
    W. Elder, 12/1875
    W. Elder, 2/5/76
    C. Evans, 8/27/75
    C. Evans, 12/1/75
    R. Helms, 9/10/75 (parts 1 and 2)
    R. Helms, 1/30/76
    L. Houston, 6/17/75
    T. Karamessines, 8/6/75
    Mr. James A. Wolfe
    September 25, 1998
    Page 3
    –TOP SECRET–
    Declassified When Separated from Enclosures
    –TOP SECRET–
    T. Karamessines, 10/24/75
    T. Karamessines, 11/3/75
    N. Katzenbach, 5/7/75
    A.L., 1/5/761
    J. McCone, 2/3/76 (parts 1 and 2)
    D. M., 10/1/75
    H.O., 10/3/75
    B. Tweedy, 11/12/75
    R. Wannall, 10/3/75
    R. Wannall, 10/13/75
    R. Wannall, 10/21/75
    R. Wannall, 1/21/76
    Thank you again for all your help and efforts over the past few months.
    Sincerely,
    Ronald G. Haron
    1 I used initials where I was uncertain if the full name was still classified.
    Mr. James A. Wolfe
    September 25, 1998
    Page 4
    –TOP SECRET–
    Declassified When Separated from Enclosures
    –TOP SECRET–
    General Counsel

  114. Miro23 says:
    @Barbarossa

    I remember seeing Trump’s face on election night as it became clear that he might actually win. Trump’s demeanor very clearly signaled “Oh…Shit…” I remember chortling at the TV something along the lines of “You didn’t expect to win did you, ya poor sob!”

    Strange but maybe true. He’s a publicity seeker, and doing a losing Presidential election stunt was great for his brand (no real risk or winning – every talking head said that he would lose).

    As it happened, he did win, and showed that 1) he never expected to be President 2) had no idea what to do 3) all the “Drain the Swap”, “End the Fed”, “Stop the Wars”, “Make Friends with Russia”, “Build the Wall” etc. was populist talk that he never expected to deliver on.

    Proof being that the Zionists, MIC, Wall St. and all the other Special Interests, walked straight into the White House at his invitation.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    , @Prusmc
    , @peterAUS
  115. TFS says:

    I have read many books on JFK. How I missed the books from Harold Weiberg is beyond me.

    A critism of all the books that look at the JFK Assasination and which cast doubt on the official version are two points that should have been at the front of every book.

    1. A definition about the word Conspiracy Theory should have been declared, especially its origins and it use to demonise. Examples of Conspiracies Theories from the Government and the Presstitute media should be listed, showing why their’s are not ‘Conspiracy Theories’ in the negative sense. A prime example would be Conspiracy Theory of election meddling by the Russians.

    2. This point should possibly exist on the front and back cover on every book that challenges the JFK assasination.

    Think you know?
    Face: Back and to the left.
    Question: 1st define a hypothesis (using branch of science), and then prove in the real world, with reproduceable results how a bullet from the TSBD caused the fact above.

    If fact, maybe articles like this should carry points one a two.

  116. anon[657] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ben Sampson

    750 grand per nig nog per year. pheeeeew!

    try reading again, retard

  117. @Miro23

    I’m afraid this is the case. Many of Trump’s instincts are good and he is a smart guy as far as he goes. However, as you say, he no intention to deliver.

    What he was proposing was no less than changing the entire structure of American policy going back decades. To pull that off you had better have an ironclad plan and prepare for pitched battles in the corridors of power. Trump was totally unprepared and it showed.

    Besides, I’m sure that Trump was sat down from the get go of taking office and given his parameters, “Or Else!”. The political establishment was quite riled when Trump won, but they regained control of the situation very quickly. As you said, it didn’t take long for him to capitulate to all the folks he railed against. Trump understands power, and knows when he is outgunned.

    When the whole Collusion! crap got started it seemed transparent to me from the start because Trump was accidental. Accidental or not, Trump has crashed their party and will not be forgiven. He’ll continue to be made an example of to discourage anyone else from pulling such a stunt.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  118. Prusmc says:
    @Miro23

    I can’t agree more. I liked the populist talk and the message. I felt the messenger was crude and unnecessarily shot himself in the foot, making enemies he shouldn’t have: McCain and Rubio. Also calling out the traitors like Jeb and Kaisic.
    TRUMP was a little too critical of Ted Cruz who actually stood for some decent ideas. Ted rallied to Trump late and paid for it by losing to O’Rourck.
    There was almost zero Congressional support for DJT except for Jeff Sessions and this only succeeded in turning over a safe Republican Senate seat to the democrats.
    First big mistake, stating Hillary would not be prosecuted.

  119. bluedog says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    Lets not confuse hate of American but hate of what America’s become, and for God sake get rid of stupid Bush’s “love it or leave it” for that’s been the main driver of where we are today, along with the shinning light on the hill,we are the exceptional one’s we are bullshit and propaganda, which plays well to a brain dead population,and that’s not going to change regardless of who’s in the oval office….

  120. peterAUS says:
    @Barbarossa

    Pretty much.
    Especially this:

    …Trump has crashed their party and will not be forgiven. He’ll continue to be made an example of to discourage anyone else from pulling such a stunt.

  121. Mr Worry says:
    @renfro

    You should really pay attention.
    It’s “Alice and Wonderland”.
    Where ‘Madam Alice’ = Hillary Clinton,
    and ‘ The Bloody Wonderland’ = Saudi Arabia.
    These People Are Stupid™

  122. @Sunbeam

    But since many think a manipulated nuclear war was part of the plan to implement a One World Government (yeah, that one), which is part of “The Great Work,” well there didn’t seem to be too many options.

    We may still get that “manipulated nuclear war”.

    https://www.rt.com/news/444852-ukraine-navy-ships-azov-kerch/

  123. Sean says:
    @Timur The Lame

    Trump was publicly saying he would like to be president in the early 80s. But however it started the run was no PR stunt by the time he was in serious contention and by the halfway mark of the campaign he was too committed. Had he lost or withdrawn he would have been gone after and his fortune taken from him. If it was for publicity he would have withdrawn to protect his fortune before becoming party candidate with winning a long shot in almost everyone estimation. Maybe he did not expect to succeed, but he seriously tried. It’s called doing one’s patriotic duty.

    Kennedy negotiated a peace with the Russians during the missile crisis, and at the time of his death, he was making overtures to Fidel Castro and also beginning to withdraw U.S. troops from Vietnam. Historians disagree about whether Kennedy was serious about peace with Cuba, as there were also plans for an all-out invasion of the island happening at the same time. But regarding Vietnam, more and more support for the notion that JFK would not have escalated the conflict has emerged since this thesis was first developed by Peter Dale Scott in the 1970s and then more extensively by John Newman in his 1992 book JFK and Vietnam.

    Kennedy was never at war with the Soviet Union, he merely ordered a halt to terrorism and assassination plots against Castro because it was not getting anywhere. Like Eisenhower with better hair, Kennedy wanted to get out of Vietnam without losing because it was difficult to achieve anything there against the North, which had the force multiplier of a nationalist cause against the Southern puppet state of Western imperial powers. Kennedy never ever alluded to any possibility of withdrawing from Vietnam without victory. His military subordinated themselves to civilian leadership.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Skeptikal
  124. Rich says:
    @Sean

    I’m not so sure Kennedy would have, or was in the process of, removing troops from Vietnam. He had increased the number of troops 5X from the number that were there when he entered office. Anything is possible, but I don’t buy into that theory. It’s true that he was timid during the Bay of Pigs incident, but it’s possible he learned his lesson from that and wouldn’t have wanted to be the guy who lost another country to the Reds when running against Goldwater.

    • Replies: @bluedog
  125. Kennedy was in fact one of the first true globalist. He has been so idolized by a compliant media it is almost impossible to find any record of legislation he signed such as Public Law 87-297(Public Law which calls for the United States to eliminate its armed forces). After many searches I managed to come up with an honest look at The Arms Control and Disarmament Act of 1961, 22 U.S.C. § 2551 signed by Kennedy on September 26, 1961. As this article states, Kennedy was the one who got the globalist plan rolling.

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/un/do.htm

    • Replies: @anon
  126. anon[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Kennedy was in fact one of the first true globalist. He has been so idolized by a compliant media

    this is what doesn’t make sense

    usually those who got positive media coverage were good for the jews but generally bad for the rest of us – Churchill, FDR, etc

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  127. @anon

    In 1940, the CFR decided that Hitler was going to lose the war, and that they should start preparing for the next empire. It was to be an American empire and was to consist of all the area Hitler coveted including the UK, North America, New Zealand, Australia, and much of the South East Pacific Rim. They have been working at ever since.

    After this was accomplished, the next step was to be the merger of the American with the Soviet empire. As Tex Mars states: “So here’s the disgusting Master Plan. First, the U.S., Mexico, and Canada become the North American Union: Then, all nations of the Americas, Central, South and North, are brought together as One. Simultaneously, AmerRuss is set up, followed by merger of all these entities with the European Union. Meanwhile, a Greater Israel Empire of the Middle East and Africa will be formed, giving the Jews dominance of the vast stores of oil, gold, diamonds, platinum, and other minerals and natural resources in these two troubled regions.”

    Finally, the Asian component will be dealt with as China and India are empowered by the elite to run roughshod over the Pacific and Near Eastern regions. Finally, ordo ab chao will have been achieved, and the CFR’s naked man on the white horse will assume the throne of global leadership.

    Kennedy played an integral part in this plan when he signed The Arms Control and Disarmament Act of 1961. As far as I can tell this was the first legislation signed by a US President which planned to make America subservient to the United Nations. Kennedy was idolized by the media, as they were both on the same globalist page. This being same media who idolized Abe Lincoln, whom I find to be one of the most disgusting human beings to ever hold the Office of the Presidency.

    Just my humble opinion.

    Another good article on the planned Soviet-American merger.

    http://newswithviews.com/iserbyt/iserbyt9.htm

  128. bluedog says:
    @Rich

    JFK had already signed the order for a troop withdrawal and in less than a year every American would have been out of Nam,as far as Cuba that plan of course was Ike’s JFK permitted it to go forward but stated well in advance that there would no U.S. troops involved, in what turned out to be a real F**k up (as normal for the C>I>A>) and it turned out well for the U.S. that JFK was in office rather then the deadbeats that have occupied the oval office…

  129. JLK says:

    It’s hard to pin the JFK assassination on any particular faction based strictly on motive, because a lot of groups had reason to be unhappy with him. The biggest reason that the lone gunman theory seems unlikely is the shooting of his brother after the California primary. Clearly, there was a powerful group that didn’t want him to be President.

    • Agree: bluedog
    • Replies: @Sean
  130. @Bugg

    I understand that JFK Jr. was not a qualified Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) pilot. Darkness had set in well before his approach to Martha’s Vineyard and it is also my understanding it was a moonless night and the later part of his flight was over water. This combination almost completely eliminates the natural horizon a n0n-instrument qualified pilot needs to maintain spatial orientation. His demise has been replicated probably thousands of times by inexperienced pilots who become disoriented and enter into a death spiral from which they do not recover. Even experienced pilots may suffer from disorientation while flying on instruments. Your body can give you the sensation of being in a ninety degree bank but the artificial horizon indicates straight and level. You have to trust your instruments.

    • Replies: @anon
  131. anon[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @Simply Simon

    I understand that JFK Jr. was not a qualified Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) pilot.

    i heard just the opposite, not sure if the source was credible though

    its convenient though, JFK and RFK assassinated and JFK Jr dies under suspicious circumstances

  132. Prusmc says:

    No doubt JFK jr had Presdential ambitions. It is unlikely that he would go for the Big prize, without holding any kind of public office, in 2000. However, there was a ripe plum senatorial seat, ready for plucking that year, if he decided to contend. Who benefited from his unfortunate accident?

  133. Sean says:
    @JLK

    Or RFK and JFK were the representatives of a powerful group, and in each case an otherwise powerless individual was determined to stop them. It takes the resources of a powerful group to win an election. Assassination is a game one can play.

  134. c matt says:
    @llloyd

    Cremation was originally banned by the Church as a practice when performed in defiance of the doctrine of the resurrection of the body. As explained above, it is no longer prohibited, so long as it is done for reasons (financial, I suppose environmental as well) that have nothing to do with protesting the doctrine of bodily resurrection. Burial is still preferred, and the Kennedies could certainly afford it, so cremation is a curious choice to say the least.

    • Replies: @Sean
  135. Sean says:
    @c matt

    So is sex outside of marriage.

  136. Skeptikal says:
    @Sean

    James K. Douglass has a lot of background on JFK and Vietnam—what was really going on behind the scenes, and also behind Kennedy’s back.
    The main point: His ambassdor, Henry Cabot Lodge, was pursuing a different agenda and giving Kennedy bad info. Kennedy started to get the real picture. Then he was dead. Johnson immed. reversed Kennedyh’s exec order which I think was for exiting VN within a year.

    • Replies: @Sean
  137. @Sean

    Good job at correcting know-it-all.

    • Replies: @Sean
  138. Sean says:
    @Skeptikal

    The main point: His ambassdor, Henry Cabot Lodge, was pursuing a different agenda and giving Kennedy bad info. Kennedy started to get the real picture. Then he was dead. Johnson immed. reversed Kennedyh’s exec order which I think was for exiting VN within a year.

    Kennedy wanted a means to victory so his minions reported that was available. Preparing for peace through victory, yes Kennedy had that plan. Yet, powerful people tend to get told what they want to hear and Kennedy may have thought America could win from what he was being told. But no one thought America had already won and they would never have left without that result. When Moshe Dayan visited South Vietnam in 1966 the Americans told him they were winning and there was no need for any alternative thinking because everything the US army was doing against the VC was working better than expected. Kennedy had to stand for re-election and it would be unfeasible to think he could have despaired, declared defeat and evacuated South Vietnam with a year for a rout of the South and its conquest by communists then had any hope of reelection. You are in effect saying he planned to quit after one term. While LBJ actually did do that, he had the benefit of years of experience to show him that Nam was a stalemate intractable to US power. But no US president would have or could have withdrawn before it had been played out to the bitter end.

  139. Skeptikal says:

    What is relevant is what JKK actually did, not what he “couldn’t possibly have done” (“But no US president would have or could have withdrawn before it had been played out to the bitter end.”)
    JFK did a lot of things that “no US president could have done.” That is why he died.

    NSAM 263.

    See

    http://bostonreview.net/us/galbraith-exit-strategy-vietnam

    Stick to the facts, not “could not have” speculations.
    Regarding Kennedy’s back channel to Castro, this has been extensively documented, but remains off the radar for the “experts” regarding what Kennedy or any US president “could have done.” Ditto the back channel to Khrushchev.

    • Replies: @Sean
  140. guv'nor says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    As I recall, Lee Harvey Oswald’s file, was to be held as top secret @the National Archives, for a term of 75 yrs, @ which time, the sitting President could decide whether to release it, or secure for 75 more. All for a “stooge” ? Given the ease with which Sandy Berger stuffed his underwear & socks with Archived, Clinton culpability files, I say good luck with Oswald. You would be lucky to find a copy of Aesop’s Fables, as revised by Allen Dulles. The U.S. National Security EXCUSE IS USED EXCLUSIVELY TO COVER UP CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. Proof is, consider how “all the good stuff ” gets sold by Sec’s of State, Military families , & all the foreign Nationals brought in for the purpose of ” losing crucial info, necessitating bigger & better weapons & cyber toys. The military- industrial complex shares globally for profit$, ONLY !. Been on JFK since that day in Dallas, when I was armed in Amarillo.
    Following ” Q” from 1st of over 2500 posts. Above is a mish-mashed msm whack-job. Why all the sudden interest ?
    Suggest the author take a big bite into the 14 yr+, & continuing Awan spy ring , right in the Capitol Bldg. Leave “Qanon ” alone & take on George Webb’s 2+ yr daily research on the ‘Real Cabal’s, that run your world. That is, if your master’s allow you to…PACE !

  141. @War for Blair Mountain

    No way to talk about your betters! Keep a civil tongue in your head before it gets pasted agin the wall!

  142. @llloyd

    With Elvis by his side! God bless America!

  143. Sean says:
    @Skeptikal

    Allow me to quote myself “Kennedy wanted a means to victory so his minions reported that was available.” NSAM 263 says in the first paragraph that MacNamara and General Maxwell Taylor’s recommendations were being acted on. They gave a sanguine view. McNamara himself admits that

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell_D._Taylor#The_Vietnam_War
    Taylor received fierce criticism in Major (later Lieutenant General and National Security Advisor) H.R. McMaster’s book Dereliction of Duty. Whereas the Chiefs felt that it was their duty to offer unbiased assessments and recommendations on military matters, Gen. Taylor was of the firm belief that the chairman should not only support the president’s decisions but also be a true believer in them. This discrepancy manifested itself during the early planning phases of the war, while it was still being decided what the nature of American involvement should be. McNamara and the civilians of the office of the secretary of defense were firmly behind the idea of graduated pressure—that is, to escalate pressure slowly against North Vietnam in order to demonstrate U.S. resolve. The Joint Chiefs, however, strenuously disagreed with this and believed that if the US got involved further in Vietnam, it should be with the clear intention of winning and through the use of overwhelming force. McMaster contends that using a variety of political maneuvering, including liberal use of outright deception, Gen. Taylor succeeded in keeping the Joint Chiefs’ opinions away from the President and helped set the stage for McNamara to begin to dominate systematically the U.S. decision making process on Vietnam.

    RFK named one of his sons after Taylor. On September 9th, 1963 President Kennedy gave a television interview on Vietnam.

    NBC Interview, September 9

    Mr. BRINKLEY. Mr. President, have You had any reason to doubt this so-called “domino theory,” that if South Viet-Nam falls, the rest of Southeast Asia will go behind it ?

    The PRESIDENT. No, I believe it. I believe it. I think that the struggle is close enough. China is so large, looms so high just beyond the frontiers, that if South Viet-Nam went, it would not only give them an improved geographic position for a guerrilla assault on Malaya but would also Live the impression that the wave of the future in Southeast Asia was China and the Communists. So I believe it. [...]

    The fact of the matter is that with the assistance of the United States and SEATO [Southeast Asia Treaty Organization], Southeast Asia and indeed all of Asia has been maintained independent against a powerful forces the Chinese Communists. What I am concerned about is that Americans will get impatient and say, because they don’t like events in Southeast Asia or they don’t like the Government in Saigon, that we should withdraw. That only makes it easy for the Communists. I think we should stay

    We should use our influence in as effective a way as we can, but we should not withdraw

    Walt Rostow, sidelined for advising Kennedy that invading north Vietnam was necessary to win the war, was the only person with access who was truthful to Kennedy. His access was promtly indedAll the others brought him good news, but the trouble was the situation was swiftly deteriorating, even in the couple of months since McNamara had given his recommendations mentioned in NSAM 263 , as he admits in the interview he was forced to admit to Kennedy.

    American wanted to win without doing anything that might provoke China into Korea style intervention in Vietnam, such as calling out the reserves as the army’s premier tactician General Harold Johnson (Chief of Staff of the United States Army from 1964 to 1968) said would have been necessary to win; a non-starter because of the threat that China would come in as they had in the Korean war.

    The North Vietnamese were loving it, they knew they could not be beaten because they controlled whether there were engagements with US forces, giving an option to simply avoid battle with US forces if the situation warranted it. As General Harold Johnson realised, the North Vietnamese regular units would always keep their casualties below what they considered a prohibitive level, and could not be swept away by US firepower unless America unleashed it’s full strength, which risked a land war with China. The counter insurgency could not work because there was also conventional warfare by Northern regulars.

    A slow build up of pressure (influenced by game theory) that civilians like McNamara advocated was useless. Lyndon Johnson stopped the bombing and gave the impression that there were to be meaningful negotiations to just to try and stop Nixon being elected. Nixon established relations w relations with China in order to put pressure on the Soviets to reign in the North Vietnamese. When the North Vietnamese were arrogant to Kissinger over their round table in Paris, Nixon said “the bastards are going to be bombed like they have never been bombed before”. For the best results armed violence is a shock tactic, it has to come as a shock. Nixon understood that.

  144. JFK enface directly the international jewry and the bank cartel that rules today. Theres a scene in is murder when shoots begun every one runs out in panic but a lady with a camera…..the lady is a jew member of rotschilds.

  145. This is one of the very few somewhat Q-skeptical articles that I’ve seen that acknowledges that DJT seems to be tacitly encouraging support of Q. It has seemed that he has been doing that for quite some time, and it seems that he has recently quite stepped this up.
    1) The VP Pence account on twitter posted a photo of a SWAT guy wearing a Q patch. This got much press.
    2) @realdonaldtrump posted a misspelling “Scott Free” that on Google calls up a right frame with info on the production company that produced the film that is the source of the Q code phrase WWG1WGA: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1069614615510859776
    3) The plane known as Air Force One broadcast the call sign “Q 0″, where, as the “Q poster” noted, “0″ matches “+” on most mobile phones, and Q+ is widely regarded in the Q-sphere as a sign for POTUS posting as Q: https://twitter.com/CivMilAir/status/1071065348546457601
    4) Anthony Scaramucci seems to have been overheard by an anti-Trump reporter telling a couple at a pro-Trump conference that they will be shocked when they learn who Q is.:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/07/american-priority-conference-trump-1052214

    This is all in the past week, I think. Maybe Q is bad, and this is all some subterfuge, but I am hard-pressed to grasp how Trump is not promoting Q.

  146. However tempting it might be to believe that Jackie’s son is still alive, somewhere, keeping afloat her keen appreciation for the finest in interior design and architecture, what are the chances since he was a straight male? A skeptic might ask if Q uses a VPN, and a non-technical person in the wake of the collective un-suspension of willing disbelief in social media might ask whether or not that even works to ensure 100%-private Internet posting? If not, wouldn’t the real Q’s identity be detectable by the technical-wizard employees of bigly corporations that control the Internet or, at the very least, by some NSA guys entertaining themselves by reading Q posts in their cubicles?

  147. @Sean

    “…the full truth is probably not known to anyone by now.”

    Probably not. Nor will it ever be known anytime soon, if at all. I saw Oswald taken out by Ruby live on television. Even as an otherwise callow sixteen year old I smelled a rat. And the stench remains. Not for one minute have I ever believed that Oswald acted alone. Beyond that though I pass in silence. As in the case of UFOs (which exist- but only as “of unknown origin” ), Oswald almost certainly acted under orders but the source or sources remain “of unknown origin” and are otherwise not identified. If pushed to the wall, I might opt out for the Kremlin connection via Cuba (no way Castro unilaterally takes out Kennedy without the green light from his Moscow masters) as pay back for the Cuban Missile Crisis but, on the other hand, it’s idle speculation–which is why I leave it alone.

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