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President Trump’s alleged comments about not wanting immigrants from “sh*thole” countries like Haiti caused hyperventilation in the Main Stream Media: No Leftist reporters want Americans knowing about the reality of life in the Third World that these immigrants will bring with them. Right on cue, America is about to get a dose of lying fantasy in the form of the much-touted upcoming Black Panther movie, when the science fiction black country of “Wakanda” comes to the screen February 16, just in time for Black History Month. [I Swear, ‘Black Panther’ is about to make every month Black History Month, by Dawn Burkes, Guide Live, January 4, 2018]

Black Panther is a black power fantasy in which the mythical African kingdom boasts the most advanced technology in the world. Of course, actually creating the fictional realm of Wakanda falls to the mostly white companies involved in special effects, including Industrial Light & Magic [Black Panther, by Vincent Frei, Art of VFX, January 9, 2018]. But the people on the screen and behind the camera who will garner the glory are overwhelmingly black.

Disney’s first Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) movie of the year will boast an almost all-black cast, a black director, a budget well north of $100 million, and storyline replete with black power and “Afrofuturism.” Marvel studio head Kevin Feige bragged “90 percent of the cast is either African or African American”. [Black Panther: Majority of Cast Will Be ‘African or African-American,’ by Molly Freeman, Screen Rant, May 13, 2016]

Significantly, Wakanda is framed as a direct response to “stereotypes” that Africa is undeveloped and primitive:

In the trailer … we see a white man… describing the most common stereotypes about countries in Africa. Soon he is asked about what knows of Wakanda, and we see visuals of a place the interviewee calls “El Dorado” and how it is not in South America — it is in Africa and it’s actually Wakanda. He proceeds to explain how anyone who had gone to “explore” it did not come out alive.

That right there in just two minutes drops the trope of defenseless Africans who need help and shows what African countries could have been without its colonization. Where instead of showing a story of a white hero who comes to aid the people it shows those who have hidden their culture to keep it safe.

[The ‘Black Panther’ Trailer Shows What Africa Would Have Been If White People Didn’t Destroy It, by Nomaris Garcia Rivera, Affinity, June 11, 2017]

Watch the trailer:

So the myth that the misfortune of Africa (and by extension all blacks) is solely due to whites will be getting some cinematic reinforcement. And as you might guess, the film’s main booster was Nate Moore, the sole black producer in Marvel’s film division. [The Man Who Put Marvel In The Black, by Kelley Carter, FiveThirtyEight, May 17, 2016]

The film is directed by Ryan Coogler, who directed a “black” Rocky spinoff with Creed, who also directed the anti-police film Fruitvale Station. Hilariously, Coogler visited Africa before principal photography began for…“accuracy”. [How Ryan Coogler took a deep dive into African culture to make Black Panther, by Josh Weiss, SyFy, December 28, 2017] And his “blackness” informs the whole project. [Why Marvel’s Black Panther Needs A Black Director, According To Ryan Coogler, by Adam Holmes, CinemaBlend, November 23, 2015]

Black producer—black director—an overwhelmingly black audience. As a marketing strategy, it may work, as the move is already outperforming all other MCU films in presales. [‘Black Panther’ outsells all Marvel films in first 24 hours of ticket presales, MarketWatch, January 10, 2018]

And it’s being interpreted in political terms, as proof of black (consumer) power, with the MSM gleefully assisting Marvel’s marketing campaign:

Black Panther” viewing parties are being scheduled around the country for its February release, smack dab in the middle of Black History Month. Clothing lines are being designed around the bright colors and Afrofuturism styles of Wakanda. And Grammy-winning rapper Kendrick Lamar was just named to produce the soundtrack.

“What is significant now, however, is that this age of convergence of film franchises with social media, a black superhero movie with an almost all-black cast conveys power, that we have arrived. It’s evolution,” said Christopher Chambers, a Georgetown University media studies professor.

[Black Panther movie causing excitement around country, by Jesse Holland, Washington Post, January 4, 2018]

Buying tickets for the film is even being defended as a charitable cause:

And a New York man wants to make sure a key demographic doesn’t miss out on the African superhero’s exploits: kids of color.

[Black marketing consultant] Fredrick Joseph has started a GoFundMe campaign so kids in Harlem, New York, can go see the movie when it comes out next month.

And thanks to some big-name celebrities, the “Wakanda Forever!” campaign is growing faster than a speeding bullet.

“I knew I wanted to do something for the children, especially of Harlem, because it was a community primarily of color,” Joseph, 29, told CNN. “I said to myself, how can I get as many children as possible to see this film and see themselves as a superhero or a king or queen?”

“Representation and inclusion are legitimately essential pillars to creating dreams for yourself,” he added.

[An activist starts a GoFundMe campaign to help kids in Harlem see ‘Black Panther’, by Lauren Lee, CNN, January 10, 2018]

For American civic nationalists, Black Panther is an ominous sign. Like the National Football League, the movie industry is another American institution that seems to be dividing along racial lines, with whites alone being warned away from embracing racial identity. The effectiveness of Black Panther’s pro-black marketing strategy is a startling contrast to how whites react to pop culture: they generally don’t base their self-worth off films and are actively discouraged from “seeing themselves” as mythical heroes. Significantly, MCU’s treatment of “Thor,” the hero based on the Northern European god, featured a multicultural Asgard with black Nordic deities. [The End of White Celebrity, by Gregory Hood, American Renaissance, November 17, 2017]

Now the double standard of American racial politics is in your local movie theater.

It would be one thing if Wakanda was simply a flight into fancy. But journalists and activists seem to be taking it seriously, believing it has importance for real world politics. Unfortunately, the reality of black run nations is Zimbabwe, not Wakanda. And if Americans are foolish enough to confuse Hollywood’s delusions with real life, we won’t end up with an “Afro-futurist” paradise—but a country that will look like a larger version of Baltimore.

Paul Kersey[Email him] is the author of the blog SBPDL, and has published the books SBPDL Year One, Hollywood in Blackface and Escape From Detroit, Opiate of America: College Football in Black and White and Second City Confidential: The Black Experience in Chicagoland. His latest book is The Tragic City: Birmingham 1963-2013.

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  1. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Not something I’d pay to see, but I don’t have a problem with this. There’s nothing new or wrong with a fictional movie being aspirational and unrealistic. <a title=”"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094898/Coming&#8221; href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094898/Coming to America (1988) featured a prosperous, non-existent African kingdom.

    • Disagree: SMK
  2. Black Panther is on the top of my “must miss” list. It may do okay in the U.S. due to black patronage, but it’s a non-starter in the increasingly important Asian market. Unfortunately, it will reinforce the “We wuz Kangs” delusions of blacks.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara

  3. Here’s a Black Panther for you, also built by White men, just like the movie!

    • Replies: @anonymous
  4. Left to their own devices, we can only guess how many more eons sub-Saharan superheroes would need to invent the wheel.

    But never mind that, the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan is in gear and rolling. Thanks, (((Hollywood)))!

  5. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Christian

    Please tell us who/what was being bombed, and why.

  6. Tulip says:

    Isn’t this move just white nationalism in black face?

    Integration is a lie and Blacks can only thrive if they remain separate? [And obviously, if its good for Blacks, why isn't it good for others? And if whites want what is good for Blacks, why shouldn't they struggle to see that they get what they need, e.g. physical removal from whites?]

    From the movie, one can only suppose that the evil of Jim Crow was not segregation, it was that the segregation wasn’t complete and total enough. Blacks don’t need separation, they need total removal in order to thrive. Certainly, diversity is not strength in Black Panther.

    The text may be Black Nationalist fantasy, but the subtext is more universal and comports with the ideological messaging a movie produced by Richard Spencer might have, if placed in national circulation. I wonder how hard it would be to dub and photoshop a parody?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  7. KenH says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    From what I recall Coming to America didn’t have an “in your face whitey” racial message that Black Panther seemingly will.

    • Replies: @Johnnydub
  8. KenH says:

    So blacks will emerge from the theaters thinking “Not only wuz we kangs, but we still iz kangs!” No doubt Beyonce, Jay-Z and Mad Maxine Waters will be huge fans of this movie since they’re all black powa supporters and wannabees. It will be promoted on CNN and MSNBC.

    But since it only appeals to blacks and since blacks prefer pirated DVD’s to paying at the theater, it will probably be a box office bomb which is secondary or tertiary objective anyway since (((Hollywood))) is more concerned with the racial message it sends to blacks than the meager profits it reaps.

    The creators of the Black Panther character and mythical Wakanda were not black since they generally lack imagination for such things.

    Pop quiz time. The creators were:

    1) Of Swedish descent
    2) Members of (((the tribe)))
    3) Of Asian descent
    4) Scottish with a dash of American Indian

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Lee

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kirby

  9. Truth says:

    Thing Is, We’re Supposed to BELIEVE This BLACK PANTHER Black Power Fantasy

    Of course not, Paulie, that would be stupid…

    But you ARE supposed to believe that a high-school newspaper boy gained the ability to shoot webs from his wrists and climb 90 degree walls after being bitten by a radioactive spider…and that an ancient Norse god from another dimension goes to fight people with a magical hammer that only he can lift…and that a mother and father from a far away planet stashed their infant upon a spaceship just before the planet imploded due to nuclear war, and that this spaceship crash landed in Kansas and the boy achieved super-human strength from the sun…

    But nah, that black panther stuff is kinda silly.

  10. Truth says:
    @anonymous

    I think it was the Unz Palace in Rancho Mirage. His choice of writers became a little ridiculous.

  11. Truth says:
    @KenH

    They wouldn’t be of Swedish decent, the franchise has lasted 52 years now, and it’s still going strong; have you ever bought one of their cars?

  12. Hacienda says:

    I’ve never met a black man or woman who believes Marvel comics represent reality or alternative histories. I have met black men and women who make caricatures of themselves to scare white men like Paul Kersey.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  13. @Truth

    Granted, all the the superhero comic book genre is silly. We aren’t supposed to believe any of it, either, agreed. It’s just comical to see that this comic/movie is an invention of white people.

    The old ’70s movie push of the same type was called, as a genre, “Blaxploitation Films”. Today such an accurate observation isn’t allowed. Those movies were not total fantasy, but were still pretty far-out fiction, creating superblack characters like Shaft, Superfly, Buck and the Preacher, and the characters such as Coffy and Foxy Brown written for Pam Grier.

    This is just another Blaxploitation Film, though the people behind it would have a fit if that old term was put back into the vernacular to describe it.

  14. @anonymous

    Please tell us who/what was being bombed, and why.

    Hanoi, maybe near the Trail. Truck parks, picnics, hospitals, a temple near Hue where the VC would stockpile rice, ammo and whatnot. Whatever, who cares? They likely had several targets per hop, the plane would haul 26,000 lbs of bombs, you drop them in pairs, or in this case three, looks like all theirs is expended.. Whatever and whomever was on the frag list had a bad Navy day..

    Why ya ask?

  15. Tulip says:

    I think there is an interesting cultural space within the matrix of goodthink to present issues of google power, google national liberation struggle, but in an ironic, tongue-in-cheek, manner that signals that perhaps the message isn’t actually for fellow googlers. This would pose problems for the censors and enforcers of goodthink, especially when they try to explain the issue. Plus they are so tone deaf–their stuff is already almost parody–that stuff will go viral before they realize it is dissident.

  16. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Christian

    To confirm my suspicion that you don’t, in fact, care.

    Did you “serve”? And if so, any regrets? Including losing?

  17. @Hacienda

    I have met black men and women who make caricatures of themselves to scare white men like Paul Kersey.

    Those Black men and ladies will track you down on the street, rob you of your keys, wallet, phone and pants. They’ll kick the shit out of you. They’ll laugh and laugh. Except White men like Paul Kersey carry guns. Like George Zimmerman. Like lots of guys that would sooner shoot the silver back than give him his way. Scared? Stay out of Baltimore and all the cities Black have ruined simply by being a majority and there’s no problem. Meanwhile, we’re entitled to safe passage, to property rights. And you think it’s cute to “scare White men like Paul Kersey?. Bad move, trust me.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    , @joef
  18. @anonymous

    Care, shmare. Notice USS Nimitz, which never bombed Vietnam. Notice the TRAM pod under the nose, that didn’t come out until 1978 or 1979. The bombs falling are about to re-arrange the sand in Fallon, Nevada off the NAS there. I was kidding about this plane because I could tell you were trending pacifist. But back in the 1960s, the A6 Intruder dropped more bombs on Vietnam than all the tonnage dropped in WW2 and maybe Korea combined. Do I care what they did? Nah, didn’t have anything to do with me even after Vietnam as long as the ejection seats worked when called up.

    Yeah, I gave em the full Monty, 6 years. I did ejection seats, LOX and air conditioning, wiggled the flaps and bombs as the planes pulled up to the catapults to see if anything would fall off before launch..

    Back then, it was service, it was a country before the fall. From a soldier or sailor’s standpoint today, the shit hole EEOC society we have, the ugly, fat, tatted up sluts a young man has to come back home to, the hateful blacks, a landscape of illegals that gobble up our bounty and hate the U.S. anyway, there’s little to defend. There is nothing redeemable in the U.S today, the government and society are so gross and corrupt I wouldn’t defend it today. Mom, apple pie, Chevrolet? Those pies are now Hostess, the typical Mom is a thrice-married divorced slut and Chevrolet doesn’t build in my country. What’s worthwhile to defend? Nothing. The diversity and old, ugly and obsolete slutty feminists that hate White men are no more deserving of my help than the wasp I gladly spray Raid on. The U.S. is just a tool of enrichment for the Jews in the MIC. Every bomb dropped, some profit.

    • Replies: @Anon
  19. joef says:

    Unfortunately, the reality of black run nations is Zimbabwe, not Wakanda. And if Americans are foolish enough to confuse Hollywood’s delusions with real life, we won’t end up with an “Afro-futurist” paradise—but a country that will look like a larger version of Baltimore.

    A very accurate summation. This is just more afro american negro nonsense about how they were all kings and queens in Africa before slavery (which always begs the question “who did the work then”?). Afros want separatism but not from our money & technology. But in reality they offer us nothing more then their anger/animosity/hatred. They place an undo burden upon us, and offer nothing productive in return. There are some Blacks in this nation who are not part of that, but they are held just as much hostage to this leftist inspired afro hostility as the rest of us Non Blacks (usually with such ridiculous statements like “your not Black enough”, and other such nonsense). Afros are our one of our biggest national problems, but yet refuses to be recognized.

    Unfortunately I see no pending reversal to this national decline… they are bankrupting us, and when the welfare check fails to clear, it will lead to the direct result of an afro initiated race war. Whites (limo libs, cuckservatives, libertarians, elites etc) who desperately try to blame everything, and everyone, else in the hope of preventing this, will not be able to cope with this eventuality. There is more debt then money in existence (m2), or annual economic output (GPD), but yet desperate people will tell you that this is indefinitely sustainable in the future. Well how far do we spend tomorrows money until there is noting left for the people of tomorrow to live on… eventually we will arrive at this point. And if afros refuse to come together and work with us now, what makes people think that they will do it then. The potential die off from this stupidity could be catastrophically severe.

  20. @Truth

    All of that is still more believable than a technologically advanced society in Africa.

    • Replies: @Truth
  21. It would be an interesting thing to contemplate how Gelele’s kingdom of Dahomé would have developed by the 21st century had European powers not colonized West Africa:

    http://burtoniana.org/books/1864-A%20Mission%20to%20Gelele%20King%20of%20Dahome/index.htm

    Based on Burton’s description, it would probably be no better than it actually is now, and very likely worse.

    • Replies: @Truth
  22. Truth says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Yeah…

    To the mentally retarded.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    , @anon
  23. Truth says:
    @Crawfurdmuir

    It would be an interesting thing to contemplate how Gelele’s kingdom of Dahomé would have developed by the 21st century had European powers not colonized West Africa:

    LOL! Hey, had the Khazars not colonized Europe, you’d still be a serf living behind a stone wall, tending a half-acre plot with hand tools, and hoping a stronger king wouldn’t ransack your village and snatch your daughter away on horseback.

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
  24. @Truth

    Such butthurt over a throwaway line… Then again, you are being deliberately obtuse on the matter so you must have some personal stake in the failures of the Sub-Saharan to close the massive civilization gap between themselves and the rest of the world. It’s easier to just blame whitey.

    Maybe you should change your name to Troof.

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Twodees Partain
  25. @Truth

    had the Khazars not colonized Europe, you’d still be a serf living behind a stone wall, tending a half-acre plot with hand tools

    Those “Khazars” (if I take your meaning right) were expelled from England in 1290, and were not allowed to come back until Cromwell’s time. My English ancestors were not serfs (six of them were sureties of Magna Carta), and by the 1640s their descendants had left to settle in North America. My Scottish ancestors also had not been serfs – villeinage never existed in Scotland.

    • Replies: @Truth
  26. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I have seen Wakanda already.

    • Replies: @Newbie
    , @Mark T
  27. Truth says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    No old Sport, I’m just not dense enough to go to a movie made by the same company brought to us by the same company that came up with “The X-Men” expecting to see a documentary.

  28. Truth says:
    @Crawfurdmuir

    Those “Khazars” (if I take your meaning right) were expelled from England in 1290, and were not allowed to come back until Cromwell’s time.

    LMAO! Yeah…

    This article is not exactly right, but it’s right enough.

    http://www.inspiretochangeworld.com/2015/10/the-truth-about-the-so-called-british-royal-family-they-are-all-jews/

    My English ancestors were not serfs (six of them were sureties of Magna Carta),

    Awesome, Bro.! It’s always nice to meet another Royal Family descendant. I’m “Truth”, the 74th Earl of East Wakanda…

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
  29. Actually, this film looks pretty cool. But after a year of intense psychological warfare directed against Whites across the Western world, I will reluctantly pass.

    The Black Panther was created by Don McGregor, a White guy.

    Let’s encourage Black Americans to migrate back to their ancestral homelands to create a real Wakanda.

  30. @MikeatMikedotMike

    “Maybe you should change your name to Troof.”

    Troodat. ahaha

  31. @Twodees Partain

    I remember the Blaxpoitation films. I saw one of them, “Shaft’s Big Score,” fairly entertaining. After a few years, they stopped making money and died out.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Twodees Partain
  32. @joef

    There already is a race war occurring, but it has yet to go fully hot. It was initiated by Black and redemption seeking White cultural, academic, and political figures.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    , @joef
  33. Truth says:
    @David In TN

    What actually happened was that the Powers that Be did audience polls that suggested that black people made up roughly %50 of all horror movie ticket sales. They realized that if black people were going to go to the movies anyway, there was no great reason to make all-black movies, and they ramped up the horror movie production schedule, after the Exorcist/Omen.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  34. @Truth

    It’s always nice to meet another Royal Family descendant

    Nothing so grand as that. My English ancestry comes through a younger son of a gentry family – so they were, at least, in the early 17th century. You are, I hope, aware that the British colonies of North America had laws discouraging the admission of paupers and criminals. Seventeenth-century settlers were mostly drawn from the merchant/artisan middle class or from the younger offspring of the landed gentry. They didn’t come to claim welfare benefits – there was no wealth to be redistributed here. All they could expect was what a person could win from the land by his own efforts.

    The article to which you linked has the aroma of a LaRouche product.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    , @Corvinus
  35. @SunBakedSuburb

    The Blacks nibble at the edges, they’ll beat up, rob and rape the foolish Whites that enter their urban sphere, but they wisely don’t bother with Whites that might actually, you know, go to war. Like Southern Whites with guns who are likely better shots. In don’t see #BLM in Simpsonville, South Carolina for instance. I suspect Charlottesville is as far south and as rough as they’re going to go, they prefer more Liberal surroundings.

    Hispanics and Muslims will handle the Blacks, don’t you worry. And De Blaxx of a Puffy sort will find their antics less appreciated and especially, celebrated, by the New Patriarchy. The freaky, in your faces homos and trannies will become less…flame-boyant, too. There are SOME good aspects to a Caliphate.

    Under the Caliphate, I get my rights back.

    • Replies: @Truth
  36. @Crawfurdmuir

    Seventeenth-century settlers were mostly drawn from the merchant/artisan middle class or from the younger offspring of the landed gentry

    Mine weren’t merchants, they were Scots-Irish debtors to the merchants. The original slaves. They were sold to, errr, sent to the Jamestown Company where they went to the New World and cleared land and roads clear out to the Mississippi. The racist devils killed a lot of injuns. Later they killed each other in gunfights over land and grazing rights or water rights, or later, at the saloon. Still more, hundreds of thousands, in the Civil War. 40 acres and a mule was their reward. It’s become a metaphor, no?

  37. So if 35% of all African Americans cough up $8.95, this thing might break even. They might vote en bloc, but it will be interesting to see if the go to movies en bloc. Maybe BET or whatever will kick in a few millions to help it along.

    I’m ignoring the big audiences in Africa, of course, because I have no idea what movie tix go for there. Then there are the pockets in the UK and the PC-types in both the UK and Europe, not to mention their PC-counterparts in North America.

    In other words, if you don’t see it out of racial solidarity, you will either see it out of guilt … or you’ll be branded a racist. I’ll probably see it on an aircraft, because I’ve gone through all the Bollywood and Chinese crap already, because I’ve gone through all the mainstream and artsy Hollywood crap already.

    Wow, this thing might actually make some money.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  38. @The Alarmist

    My bad … that should be 85% of all African Americans.

  39. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Christian

    Unlikely that it was a Vietnam mission. That drumstick is off the Nimitz, according to the tail flash, and as far as I know, Nimitz wasn’t deployed to Yankee/Dixie and didn’t serve in the Vietnam war. I think the only nuclear boat that participated was Enterprise.

  40. Hacienda says:
    @Jim Christian

    I’ve never had a problem with blacks in a serious way. I say give them Baltimore and Detroit, a few other Northern cities. Whites screw up southern latitutes plenty with their screwy architecture, rules and regulations, behaviors that only belong in 4 season climates. Blacks deserve to screw up some wintery latitudes.

  41. @Truth

    “There was no great reason to make all-black movies” because they were no longer profitable.

  42. Truth says:
    @Jim Christian

    In don’t see #BLM in Simpsonville, South Carolina for instance. I suspect Charlottesville is as far south and as rough as they’re going to go, they prefer more Liberal surroundings.

    Well there are a whopping 18,000 people there, Jimbrowski. Let’s say we move 18 miles north-west…

    http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/06/07/second-blm-leader-from-greenville-sc-arrested-in-two-days/

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  43. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    boast an almost all-black cast, a black director, a budget well north of $100 million,

    Two out of three are black, the third comes from who? Would it be accurate to assume that the all-important budget has origins other than black investors? Black supermen have been in all our commercials for years now as well as being awesome geniuses in just about every movie. Unlike the other superhero movies this one will probably be heralded as having some great meaning beyond being just a movie.

  44. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I’m left wondering… were the plans for the movie made before or after the first edition of the comic came out?

    Was the comic a loss-leader all along, merely a setup so they could add a black-positive movie to their lineup, for political reasons?

  45. A big opening weekend, then a nosedive for week two. After the shootings, brawls and other monkeyshines hit the web they will only have the black market to support the movie.

  46. joef says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    You are completely correct… there has been a de facto race war for the last half century now… the economic decline will be the spark for the afro initiated hot race war.

  47. @joef

    joef,

    I don’t want to give the impression that I disagree with your overall excellent post, but it’s a little bigger than an insignificant typo, so here it is: YOU DON’T MEAN “Afros place an undo burden upon us, and offer nothing productive in return” — YOU MEAN “undue burden”! In law and in business, it’s important to DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.

    BTW: We could not fairly say about the old-time civil rights community that they thought in terms of giving nothing, contributing nothing — indicating here: MLK, etc., e.g., worshipers/members of the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal church in Charleston where the 2015 Charleston shooting took place

    true story: http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/06/21/the-charleston-shooting-theres-more-to-the-story-than-weve-been-told/

    It seems likely that in the early days or anyway at some times, the Black Panther Party was heavy into community organizing and self-help, which threatens the Establishment much more than violent organizations, which are easily exterminated. That’s why the Deep State promoted and financed the Blacksploitation movies like Superfly; they wanted to destroy any kind of ethos among American Blacks that would promote anything positive such as working to get ahead, so they deliberately celebrated and even financially supported the pimp lifestyle … and that project was amazingly successful.

    It’s also noteworthy that MLK’s last activism before his assassination in Memphis … that last effort being in Chicago … was successfully bringing together whites and blacks. In other words, MLK’s last actiivism was in Chicago taking on the heart of the Chicago political machine, namely, the rental management cartel. The same people that today infiltrate MLK Day celebrations to turn them into celebrations of violent “Black Power” and USA militarism — as distinguished from Ghandian non-violence — those are the same people who downplay MLK’s antiwar activities and, most likely, even the same people who worked behind the scenes to set up MLK’s assassination.

    • Replies: @joef
  48. @Truth

    But you ARE supposed to believe that a high-school newspaper boy gained the ability to shoot webs from his wrists and climb 90 degree walls after being bitten by a radioactive spider… — Truth

    I’ve seen very few comic-book-based movies, but the few I’ve seen have been okay. As for Black super-heroes, I did see Luke Cage, and that was okay — probably a fairly realistic representation of ghetto culture, especially on the political side —

  49. joef says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    Yes you are probably correct as to the root cause of afro american animosity. However without the fertile eagerness of afro americans to hate whitey without cause, it wouldn’t have been able to develop to the level it is today. Afros really believe in the mythology of white privilege, and want supposed 400 years of payback for something they never experienced directly themselves (slavery), nor any non black living today is responsible for. Yes leftist/elites etc have been manipulating this black rage idiocy for the last half century now, but they will not be able to fully control this Frankenstein Monster, and we will all pay the price for it (including the afros themselves).

    I was raised/lived in a city neighborhood, and school system, where I had frequent contact with ghetto afros. It would be a gross understatement to say they were not pleasant people to be around. Most of the non blacks in my area knew that afros feel justified in using extreme violence to achieve casual goals. They also observed how afros would routinely litter, and publicly urinate, on the streets. Ghetto afros were equivalent to predators, and thus looked for easy targets where they had some unfair advantage over their victims. Liberal victims tried to ‘reason’ with them which usually achieved some type of bad result. Racial realist non blacks made themselves hard targets that the afros generally didn’t want to mess with.

    When this situation explodes (we are not realistically paying off all our combined debt, so deteriorating insolvency will be more and more the norm), afros will want a race war. They are usually accustomed to feckless society giving in to all their demands, so they will believe that it will be easy. When the white man does not produce hidden magic money, they will want to riot, loot, burn, gang rape, carjack, and home invade. If gasoline is readily available they will attack the suburbs, but eventually the harsh winter, and lack of food resources, will start to diminish their numbers. As the state itself fails, and the possibility of prosecutions diminish, whites will not fear fighting back against afro aggressions. The final result will be afros losing (badly) the race war they would be so desirous to start. However the nation itself will be a left over mess.

    When will this happen? Probably not before government guts every other service they provide to the rest of normal society, in order to pay for unearned afro entitlements. The canary in the coal mine will be large scale: reductions in garbage collection, fire dept station houses, road repair, hospitals, public transportation, urban policing, military bases, national guard units, prisons, water supply, sewage, street lights, etc in the desperate attempt to sustain the unsustainable. This will be followed (or occur simultaneously) with scarcity which will result in long lines for gasoline/food/banks. With drastically reduced local govt forces (especially if they are not getting paid) to contain afro violence, coupled with a diminished ability to provide welfare, thats when it will begin. Thanks for correcting my typo.

  50. Lloyd1927 says:

    The myth of an African paradise goes back to the 19th century. Henry McNeal Turner was the foremost propagandist for this idea:

    http://www.academia.edu/541996/The_Emigration_and_Propaganda_Campaign_of_Bishop_Henry_McNeal_Turner

    In describing Sierra Leone he writes “I thought it was a low, swampy lagoony town, with narrow, muddy streets, as filthy as a cesspool; but cleanliness, pavements sidewalks, rock-sewers and decency everywhere met the eye. But when I pointed this and that fine building out, and was told that they all belong to black men, I was surprised more than ever.Again, when I inquired about the great cathedral, with tower and clock, and other large churches, with spires, domes and steeples,and was told they were black people’s churches, I had to say, thank God for this sight.”

    In writing about Liberia Turner states “Liberia is one of the most paradisiacal portions of earth my eyes ever beheld. Any person who cannot live here with reasonable health cannot exist anywhere…How under heaven some Negroes can come here and after remaining awhile, go back to America and give this place a bad name I cannot understand…This is the only country I have ever seen where everybody could have a stream of water running through his yard. It is the most perfectly watered region I have ever witnessed.”

  51. @David In TN

    They were largely the product of Roger Corman. I think when he stopped contributing to the genre it kind of fizzled.

  52. @joef

    One other large cost of the entitlements you list are do-nothing government jobs for otherwise unemployable blacks in every level of government. If not for government jobs, there would be no black middle class to speak of.

  53. Talha says:
    @Truth

    LOL! Yeah everyone is taking this waaaaay too seriously.

    If there’s one universal truth I have learned from my youthful years of reading comic books – it is; exposure to radiation is always a positive thing.

    Peace.

    Note: Silver Surfer – worst super hero idea ever.

  54. Johnnydub says:
    @KenH

    “From what I recall Coming to America didn’t have an “in your face whitey” racial message that Black Panther seemingly will.”

    No it was just funny… from the days before Hollywood tried to use very movie to stick propaganda up your arse…

    • Agree: Escher
  55. joef says:
    @Jim Christian

    Correct. It is absolutely essential for non blacks to maintain themselves as a hard target. Ghetto Afros love to prey upon the weak, and expect no mercy or compassion from them. For those who cannot maintain their strength, a gun is a great equalizer. We did not ask for this, but these are the times we are living in. It is better to acknowledge reality, than to ignore it. Never let a naive leftist/liberal/suburbanite convince you that your personal experience is invalid. They will pay a very high cost in their own survival for trying to make reality to conform to their own politically correct opinions. Racial reality about afros is not preferable thinking, but that does not make it untrue.

  56. Most of this nonsense stems from the Black Athena agenda. The blacks led by the genus of Al Sharpton believe the Greeks stole everything from the Africans. They actually believe they had massive civilizations in Africa and we the Europeans lied about them. Of course, they believe the Egyptians were all black including the Pharaohs. Genetic evidence however, seems to show that the Pharaohs are even more Middle Eastern than the general population of Egypt.

    The political correct intrusion of this type of nonsense has basically destroyed anthropology and archeology as far as I’m concerned.

    • Replies: @joef
    , @Wally
  57. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    Your right. It would be stupid.

    So why do so many blacks essentially believe it? Like they believe they built the pyramids.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
  58. @Anon

    You are correct, Sir. The pic is from an old squadron archive. I was with them 1976-1981-and-change. The pic is from 1978 at a trip we made to Fallon.

  59. @Truth

    Well, they don’t do their BLM deeds there. Those two are mopes, child support, kidnapping, public nuisance, that’s not anything to do with #blm except that all the Black men have issues with 5 children, 4 women, no child support. That’s Blacks. But in Simpsonville and in Greenville, you aren’t going to see BLM marching down the streets with the Groids nibbling at the edges robbing people and invading homes along the way. That’s a Seattle/NYC/Chicago thing.

    • Replies: @Truth
  60. joef says:
    @niteranger

    It is basically projection for afro americans to believe that something was stolen from them, when in fact they steal from the weak and helpless as a lifestyle. When they are not doing that, then they are perpetually living on unearned welfare entitlements that we provide. They are parasitical to our economic system and eventually, despite liberal fantasies to the contrary, their endless extraction of our resources will transform us into failed state like conditions. All this because collectively we refuse to impose responsibility upon them. Instead we have an afro american culture that produces nothing and wants everything. This cannot last indefinitely.

  61. joef says:

    Liberals, Leftist progs, and elites, also try to perpetuate this afro american mythology, as a distraction from the unwelcome truth that afros are an endless burden upon our society. Unfortunately this distraction does not change the truth, nor causes the damage to be undone. I remember in college class where some afro would start talking with useless gibberish, which usually prompted the professor into saying how profound the afros statement was, and it should be repeated so the rest of the class would have the “benefit” of hearing it. We fiddle as Rome burns.

  62. Truth says:
    @Truth

    For the same reason you believe that I guy who got bitten by a radioactive spider can climb walls, I guess…

    • Replies: @anon
  63. I don’t get the royalty thing in comics presented to us as propaganda for progressivism and social justice.

    The idea of Wonder Woman as a “feminist” icon, especially. She comes from a traditional, hierarchical society ruled by a queen, and her people emphasize chastity, self-discipline and fitness.

    In other words, Wonder Woman rejects equality, democracy, sexual freedom and fat acceptance. Other than her assertion of independence from male authority, she doesn’t seem anything at all like the bitchy, slutty, doughy feminists we see in the real world. In some respects her world view more resemble’s the Alt Right’s than our elite’s Clown World ideology.

  64. Corvinus says:
    @Crawfurdmuir

    “Seventeenth-century settlers were mostly drawn from the merchant/artisan middle class or from the younger offspring of the landed gentry.”

    Actually, between one-half and two-thirds of European immigrants to the Thirteen Colonies between the 1630s and the American Revolution came under indentures.

  65. Actually, between one-half and two-thirds of European immigrants to the Thirteen Colonies between the 1630s and the American Revolution came under indentures.

    These mostly came after the end of the seventeenth century. See:

    http://usinc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/USImmigrationhistorylutton.pdf

    “The southern colonies attracted the younger sons of aristocratic families, doctors, lawyers and others from whom large estates provided both a livelihood and social distinction. The northern colonies were primarily settled by Separatists and Puritans, whose motive for leaving England was largely religious, as well as by middle‐class townspeople, who had gained a measure of political experience during the Cromwellian Revolution. They and their descendants led the colonies in the areas of trade and manufacturing.(…)

    “After the French under Louis XIV seized the Palatinate at the beginning of the eighteenth century, thousands of Germans fled to England, where the government encouraged them to migrate to North America. More than 30,000 Germans arrived in America in 1708‐ 1709.

    “Large numbers of Germans became indentured servants, contracting with ship owners for passage in return for service for a term of years. When the ships arrived in America, captains auctioned these indentured servants off to already established settlers. After 1717, a new breed of unscrupulous agents, called ‘new‐landers’ and ‘soul‐stealers,’ lured thousands of German peasants to America. The shipmasters paid a commission to the agents and, once the emigrants arrived, the newcomers were sold to ‘soul‐drivers,’ who in turn, indentured them to farmers. After serving a term of three to five years service, these redemptioners usually received fifty acres of land.”

    The British government, as the linked article indicates, did try to force convicts and paupers on the colonies, but the colonial authorities protested and tried to discourage their settlement. Once the First Congress of the United States convened (its membership including many who had previously been delegates to the Constitutional Convention), among the first legislation it passed was the Naturalization Act of 1790, restricting citizenship to free white persons of good character who had been resident in the U.S. for two years. It excluded indentured servants, blacks whether free or slave, and American Indians. In 1795 the residence requirement was raised to five years; in 1798, to fourteen.

    The historical posture of the United States has been one of restricted immigration, and not of open borders.

  66. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    Will you admit there are no successful black countries in the world?

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Talha
  67. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    Is that the best comeback you can manage? But where are all the successful black countries? In Africa? In the Caribbean? Where?

    • Replies: @Anon
  68. Truth says:
    @anon

    There are no black countries. The world is a dictatorship.

    It’s sort of like in 1984. There is a central government and the rest is all theatre.

    • Replies: @Grandpa Charlie
    , @anon
  69. Talha says:
    @anon

    Why should he? By which metric are you asking? Judging by reproductive capacity, Black countries are doing fine – Europeans and others are imploding. Sure others have nuclear power plants and nanotechnology, but all the skyscrapers and bullet trains in the world don’t mean a thing if they can’t help you in survival-of-the-fittest, right? It’s just extra weight.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @HallParvey
    , @bomag
  70. @joef

    I do not contest anything you say here, especially not about your personal experiences. I have observed thaat there are home invasions, sometimes by black gangs, sometimes by other non-white gangs, seldom by white gangs. I have lived in non-affluent neighborhoods in a big city, and of course anyone can be the target or victim of gang violence, and sometimes it only takes one or two bullies (like the guy in Feerguson). But I also saw occasionally exceptions –e.g., a quiet and civilized young ‘black’ man minding his own business, riding a bus and avoiding the insanity around him and most likely the lucky recipient of a good upbringing. And then, I recall, from news accounts (which I think are not always misleading), the black men who went to the rescue of Reginald Denny and probably saved his life. You will say these are the exceptions, and all I am saying is ‘prize the exceptions’. Sometimes the exceptions are more important than the run of the mill.

    Anyway, my post wasn’t about the general condition of black (or other) anti-white ghetto violence culture: It was solely directed at understanding the role of ‘our’ government in fostering some of the most negative aspects of that culture. It’s really an insanely evil situation stacked onto an already insanely evil situation. That’s why I included the link:

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/06/21/the-charleston-shooting-theres-more-to-the-story-than-weve-been-told/

    Of course, we are like ants in a prairie fire, and there’s rarely anything even the best peacemakers with the best intentions can do about it although they are blessed (Matthew 5:9) — black, white or whatever. I think MLK had the right idea, the best idea, but young blacks as well as most other Americans summarily reject that wisdom. Meanwhile, I agree with Derb about the importance of ‘The Talk’ for all non-black youth, although those who have had experiences similar to yours don’t need to be told.

    http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire/print#axzz556SFm7Cs

    • Replies: @joef
  71. @Crawfurdmuir

    Thanks for great research, Crawfurdmuir!

  72. @Truth

    “There are no black countries. The world is a dictatorship.

    “It’s sort of like in 1984. There is a central government and the rest is all theatre.”

    – Truth

    I don’t know if that’s entirely accurate … yet … but it sure seems to be going that way.

    • Replies: @Truth
  73. @Talha

    Exactly. In the words of the first Black President of the United States of America, it all depends on what the meaning if is, is.

    • Replies: @Talha
  74. joef says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    Yes of course their are exceptions! But I try to avoid getting muddled in them because it just further obfuscates the issue. In some of my past posts I would lament that decent Blacks will lose the most as this country unravels (economic decline plus racial balkanization equals failed state like conditions). The resultant large scale disorder & unrest, coupled with unprovoked afro aggressions, will make many non blacks have a shoot first ask questions later attitude (figuratively/literally) towards all other Blacks. This will be done out of pure desire for self preservation. This unfortunate set of circumstances will give decent Blacks no where to turn to escape the resultant chaos (my only advice for them is move somewhere now, with decent neighbors, and build social capital within that community).

    Obviously you do not know me, but I can assure you nothing I say is just to be provocative (well maybe sometimes); I am not a white nationalist (I consider myself a Kirkean Paleocon); and I prefer afros reform themselves to continuing their destructive ways. I look forward to none of this, however if I divorce myself from my emotions, and accept the massive amounts of empirical experience of myself, and others, who dealt with afros on a routine basis, it is clear where we are going. [It is also clear that there are many events the MSM, politicians and Academia, are not reporting, thus they are unreliable sources of information re: race relations with afro americans.]

    I also observed thugs in non black groups, and I am as contemptuous of them as any ghetto afro bottom feeder. But in comparison there is proportionally greater disfunction, violence, and criminal behavior, in the afro american community than in other non black groups. The homicides alone committed by afros is truly staggering. Also you can interact with other non black groups without the issue of race ever coming up (you can have a normal conversation), whereas afros are obsessed with the subject, causing the pandering MSM/politicians/academia to always talk about it (which induces negro fatigue).

    I rather be wrong on this, but I do not live my life based on wishful thinking. The unrestrained afro animosity & parasitical lifestyle, along with our unsustainable public/private debt levels, is our biggest national problems. Their combination will be greatly disruptive to a stable society. If this trajectory continues, we are going to arrive at a very very bad place in future history. It doesn’t make any sense to tell someone it is always sunny when a storm is developing outside. I do not like what I am saying, but the truth is the truth. Better to be prepared for it than live in denial (and may God have mercy on my soul).

    • Replies: @Truth
  75. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Blacks are most successful at creating life. In the end, life-creators will prevail over material-creators.

  76. Truth says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    My understanding is that there are three countries in the world that are not run by a Rothschild central bank;

    North Korea
    Iran
    Syria

    There were a few more 20 years ago:

    Iraq
    Cuba
    Afghanistan
    Libya
    Sudan

    Notice a trend?

  77. joef says:
    @Anon

    No, actually unreformed contemporary afro americans are most successful at destroying life, and property, and will prevail in bringing down themselves and everything else with it. Any opinion to the contrary is pure fantasy.

  78. Truth says:
    @joef

    The unrestrained afro animosity & parasitical lifestyle, along with our unsustainable public/private debt levels, is our biggest national problems.

    Dude, that was the funniest comment yet this week!

    Nice that you tied them in together in a tight little bundle.

    • Replies: @joef
    , @bomag
  79. joef says:
    @Truth

    All just part of the giant ponzi scheme to support the unsupportable afro entitlement system (and other things). Moving money around in this giant shell game in the attempt to keep this going causes most (but not all) of these accounting anomalies. Second I never said that some elites are not accumulating money for themselves (ie stealing), by taking from the system. Then these same elites will pontificate limo liberalism on the rest of us by saying we must sacrifice more for the afro.
    But the main reason for this kind of missing money is deficit spending is spending money that is not there yet (currently doesn’t exist in real terms). This results in bookkeeping tricks in order to try to hide the problems of spending non existent money. If you were more economically sophisticated, you would understand that.

    • Replies: @Truth
  80. Talha says:
    @HallParvey

    Indeed – every society has different pathologies. Europeans are not without their own unique ones. Various African groups have there’s as well. It’s best to work on fixing the problems in one’s own group – pointing the finger at others is mental masturbation -might feel good, doesn’t produce anything though.

    I actually watched this documentary because I found it quite fascinating on how normal they tried to make something which would have been considered a mental disorder just a few decades ago – a complete malfunction of the subjects involved:

    All of the people in this seem to be White Europeans save one Asian-looking guy and one Black (person?)

    It reminded me of that quote attributed to Euripides:
    “Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.”

    Peace.

  81. Truth says:
    @joef

    All just part of the giant ponzi scheme to support the unsupportable afro entitlement system (and other things). Moving money around in this giant shell game in the attempt to keep this going causes most (but not all) of these accounting anomalies.

    Excellent. Now I know why they created Wall Street. I was always a little fuzzy on that.

    Except for one thing; that missing 9 trillion dollars adds up to a total of $225,000 for each and every on of the 40,000,000 white people in America; what did they spend it on?

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @joef
    , @bomag
  82. Truth says:
    @Truth

    I meant to write “black people” above.

    There will only be 40m of you soon, but right now you are around 200m.

  83. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    Thank you for your non-answer answer.

    • Replies: @Truth
  84. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Blacks live off the welfare of whites. In Africa, white intervention (Ethiopia, Somalia) prevented famine from doing natures work of reducing over-population.

    • Replies: @Anon
  85. joef says:
    @Truth

    They spent it mainly on the welfare state, then the military congressional complex (that President Eisenhower warned us about), to service the debt’s interest rates, failing educational system, corporate subsidies, and finally other essential (and non essential) govt services.

    • Replies: @joef
    , @Truth
  86. joef says:
    @joef

    oops, meant the Military Industrial (Congressional) Complex; also you can probably add the non productive drug war, Bank bailouts, and foreign subsidies, to this negative financial situation too.

  87. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    That may be, but as long as whites are feeding blacks(and morally feel compelled to do so), excess black population will gain access to the West.

    Also, whites are addicted to pleasure, and their main pleasure comes from black music and black sports and black sex. So, whites have come to admire blacks. The bargain between whites and blacks is this. Whites are like ants who work to produce stuff but are lame at having fun. Blacks are grasshoppers who aren’t good at making stuff but know how to have fun and show white folks a good time.

    So, it’s not like blacks just leeching off whites. Blacks are offering a service to whites. Whites work to run economies and pay blacks to show them a good time.

    So, Truth the grasshopper is like Sidney Poitier in Lilies of the Field. He goes from white community to white community, where white people work hard but don’t know how to have fun. So, he shows them fun by humping all the white women and buggering all the white cuck men. He gets their money, and white folks get fun from him.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @joef
  88. Truth says:
    @anon

    You’re asking a PhD level question expecting a See Jane Run answer.

  89. Truth says:
    @joef

    So they spend more on welfare for 40m black people, than they do for the military industrial complex?

    That’s funny, I guess every economic pie chart I have ever seen is wrong; not only wrong, but, like they put the decimal points in the wrong places, wrong. Thanks.

    • Replies: @joef
  90. Truth says:
    @Anon

    So, Truth the grasshopper is like Sidney Poitier in Lilies of the Field. He goes from white community to white community, where white people work hard but don’t know how to have fun. So, he shows them fun by humping all the white women and buggering all the white cuck men. He gets their money, and white folks get fun from him.

    Well other than the emboldened part, you’re in the ballpark.

  91. joef says:
    @Truth

    What pie charts are you looking at? The last I seen according to the CBO, medicaid is the fastest rising Federal Govt expense. And welfare is just not a Federal expense, every State, County, and urban government budget contributes to this ever expanding welfare state spending. State and local governments do not have national defense budgets. The accumulated size of this welfare state surpasses everything, and cannot be sustained indefinitely. States and municipalities will be the first to collapse under this unbearable financial burden.

    This runaway govt spending causes deficit spending, which is nothing more then spending money of the future (money that is essentially not produced yet). So essentially we are spending the financial resources of the unborn so we can live easy today. But eventually tomorrow arrives, the bill comes due, and we will have nothing to pay it back with. And like the past housing bubble, most everyone will ignore it until it becomes a crisis, and forced to live with its consequences (and then we will not be able to ignore anymore).

    Plus the amount you describe per person is easily understood once you divide it over time (because the taking of entitlements has become an endless process over multi generations), with the added costs of administrating it. The amount in question, per person, is not a one time payout, but administered over a long period of time (even if a mistake in numbers was made, the concept is the same).

    This potential financial wreck is like eating a bad diet, it tastes good in the beginning, but catches up with you in the end. And at that point no longer becomes worth it. All this because we are too collectively spoiled to tell ourselves no.

  92. But eventually tomorrow arrives, the bill comes due, and we will have nothing to pay it back with.

    Nope. I used to think that, but I realized that all the PTB have to do is educate the next generation about the value of money. Generational turnover makes the idea of a fixed value for the dollar unimportant.

    When hamburgers cost five hundred dollars, it will be irrelevant because the minimum wage will be fifteen hundred dollars per hour.

    By the time that happens, all employment will be sitting at a desk, in some government University, in a cubicle, shuffling global warming statistics, and generating the next doomsday scenario.

    As long as the energy production keeps up, nothing much will happen. On the other hand, any serious energy shortage can result in massive economic dislocation.

    Value is not dollars, it is usable stuff.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @joef
  93. @HallParvey

    Not really. You’re correct that value is measured by usable stuff, but that’s assuming that the amount of usable stuff is still as accessible for the majority.

    http://www.mybudget360.com/cost-of-living-1975-and-2017-inflation-purchasing-power-dollar/

    Even Robert Reich, who’s pretty much a hardcore leftist, has gone into this and noted that the first effort to hedge this was to increase female employment(thus household income and the double income trap), and the second was to increase overall debt levels.

    Both have consequences, and neither really solve essential structural issues. There aren’t replicators making endless stuff for free at the end of the day.

  94. joef says:
    @Anon

    You are only correct when applying this to millennial progeny of selfish single mother baby boomers. Their offspring lack self respect, and initiative, makes them very susceptible to always wanting to be entertained, and doing what the MSM tells them to do. They would die off from mass suicide once things get tough, and have to deal with daily dose of real hardship in their lives.

    As for the rest of us non blacks, we readily recognize that anything the afro american provides is unnecessary to our survival, and mostly next to useless. However, nonproductive afros would starve to death without our daily handouts. There is nothing we really need from you, but you need everything from us. The entertainment you believe afros provide is only considered as such by pandering liberals & manipulative leftist. And it is considered total junk by the rest of us.

    • Replies: @Truth
  95. Truth says:
    @joef

    That’s funny; yet somehow we were around before you.

    • Replies: @bomag
  96. joef says:
    @HallParvey

    I am sorry but I must disagree on several points. You cannot have infinite growth on a finite planet. The whole concept of economics is the issue of scarcity and how you distribute limited resources to society. Energy and products are not unlimited. The Economic concept of the Production Possibility Frontier basically demonstrates that only so much product can be produced from inputs available. And once you choose to produce product/service A, you remove that resource from the ability to produce product/service B. You cannot provide all things simultaneously, and that is what the whole argument of guns and butter is about.

    If you read history you will find many examples how debt destroyed civilizations. One of the byproducts of debt is inflation that attempts to devalue what is owed, but also devalues a household’s income & savings. This results in a diminished ability to buy the necessities of life. Worse case of this problem is when hyperinflation hits. Money must represent by something for the general public to have faith in the currency to actually represent value and purchase something.

    Our debt is bigger than our annual economic output, and money supply available. Even if we stopped deficit spending now, and put one trillion a year to pay off our National Debt (not including other public/private debt, and unfunded liabilities), at lets just say 3% interest, the debt will grow another 16T during the 20 years we spent paying off the original amount (of 20T). [Even going back to the Gold Standard can not save us from this because it is estimated at the current money supply, Gold would be approx $7000 an ounce, which is quite far from the original Bretton Woods Agreement of $35 and ounce.] Wishful thinking is not going to help out of this one. The bill will eventually come due, like everywhere else this was tried.

  97. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Christian

    I like the cut of your jib sir.

  98. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Life will go on. Nothing will change in Africa. Wakanda or whatever the name of this movie is will allow black people just another chance to escape reality for two hours. A few Jews will make good profits. A couple blacks actors will make some dough.

    None of this money will go towards helping blacks. Taxpayer money is for that. Although no amount of money helps.

    Way to go Wakanda. False hope better than no hope, I guess.

  99. Wally says:
    @niteranger

    “The political correct intrusion of this type of nonsense has basically destroyed anthropology and archeology as far as I’m concerned.”

    Wait until the Marxists & so called “native Americans” get a load of this:

    Stone Age Hunters From Europe Discovered America https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/01/no_author/new-evidence-suggests-stone-age-hunters-from-europe-discovered-america/

  100. Biff says:

    Unfortunately, most people do believe the garbage coming out of the entertainment industry – including “news” channels.
    What fucking dump it has created!
    Walking dead voters with children – there is no hope.

  101. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Creating life isn’t the problem. Sustaining it is.

    If all whites vanished, Africa would be at pre-1500 population levels in twenty or thirty years.

  102. bomag says:
    @Talha

    Judging by reproductive capacity…

    Which is on track to consume the entire planet, so I’m not sure that is something to tout.

    • Replies: @Talha
  103. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    What ‘Superhero’ fantasy will next come out of Hollywood? Transgender Man? Or should that be Transgender Woman?
    No, that doesn’t work either.

    At least we’ll know his/her/its cloak will be rainbow-colored.

    • LOL: Talha, Anon-og
  104. George says:

    The Panther’s can’t save us now

    https://catalyst-journal.com/vol1/no1/panthers-cant-save-us-cedric-johnson

    BTW, Black Panther is a comic book, it is as bad as any other comic book. The good news is all comic book heroes promote helplessness among their readers. Basically, you can’t solve your problems unless you are extraterrestrial or bitten by a radioactive spider and god for bid you band together with your fellow citizens. No, wait for the government and if that doesn’t work, Superman will fix it.

    • Replies: @Truth
  105. bomag says:
    @Truth

    Just because you find something funny does not mean it is not a salient feature.

    • Replies: @Truth
  106. To anyone that thinks blacks will think this is fantasy like the X-Men or Thor (I’m talking to @Truth in particular but cannot reply as I don’t comment enough), look at the headline from the black journalist’s column. “The ‘Black Panther’ Trailer Shows What Africa Would Have Been if White People Didn’t Destroy It.” That headline has at least 2 lies in it. First, white people did not destroy Africa. The only reason Africa’s population is exploding is because of whites. Second, obviously, we know, that Africa would not be like Wakanda without whites.

    Its fairly easy to predict that at least one white person will be viciously attacked near a screening by “youths” screamimg something like “You stole our Wakanda and sheeeit.” Bank on it.

    • Agree: joef
    • Replies: @Truth
    , @CCZ
  107. bomag says:
    @Truth

    that missing 9 trillion dollars…

    Don’t be fooled by the title of your linked piece.

    The money is not “lost”. It is quite visibly on the books.

    The IG was asked upon what it was spent. That she didn’t provide an answer speaks to the quality of gov’t help and the nature of the system.

    • Replies: @Truth
  108. bomag says:
    @Anon

    …life-creators will prevail over material-creators.

    That cockroaches will ultimately prevail is not something to brag about.

  109. bomag says:
    @Truth

    …somehow we were around before you

    Not sure that is much of a zinger. The prokaryotic was around before the eukaryotic; the gymnosperm was around before the angiosperm.

    But if, ultimately, humanity can manage nothing better than running around the jungles and savannas living hand to mouth, then you are indeed the once and future kings.

    • Replies: @Truth
  110. notice says:

    I’ve not physically been to a cinema since the last Hobbit movie (Five Armies or some such subtitle).
    I just refuse to give (((Hollywood))) my money, or anyone who promotes Hollywood. If every white did what I’m doing, in about a decade we might have a gentile-run studio, with gentile directors and actors. I no longer watch late night talk shows, have eschewed MTV for 20 years, and haven’t sat through more than 5 NFL games this entire season.

    More whites need to learn permanent boycotts can work. Certain directors and actors are permanently boycotted by yours truly and won’t get my coin even if they make a Casablanca-level movie (don’t worry, they can’t….not talented enough). Put ‘em outta business folks.

    • Replies: @Truth
  111. @anon

    Your right. It would be stupid.

    So why do so many blacks essentially believe it? Like they believe they built the pyramids.

    I think “Truth’s” dismissal of Kersey’s piece is foolish.

    No one was writing that Thor or Superman represent a lost past stolen from anyone. They’re fantastical goofs and everyone knows it.

    American blacks however are trained from the cradle to stoke their grievances, both those which are historically accurate (however remote) and those which are pure imagination (i.e. that secret codes on food packaging certifies production by the KKK or is an intent to make blacks sterile). They believe that the CIA put crack cocaine in black neighborhoods because of racism or something. (You know how racists love making blacks more shiftless and dependent upon welfare and crime perpetrated against whites).

    Someone with an enhanced sense of grievance, historical illiteracy, and an 85 IQ is liable to take WAKANDA seriously and conceive of it as something stolen from him. And given his natural limitations, he’s not going to try to build a new WAKANDA from the ground up, he’s going to rob or assault someone to assuage his sense of deprivation and entitlement.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Truth
    , @Talha
  112. Tiny Duck says:
    @Anon

    Haha owned

    I like how all these white supremacists cannot account for the fact that white girls prefer Black Men as sexual partners and fathers of their children

  113. joef says:

    To summarize this unfortunate reality: Generally, Non Blacks build & produce, and afro americans destroy & consume. This may not be pleasant to say, but that does not make it untrue. You may read academic obfuscations, and listen to MSM pandering to the contrary, but if you are bold enough to observe from hundreds of hours of empirical experience (not liberal tokens like “I walked through a black neighborhood once”, or “I knew some black people”, or “I learned about black people in school”, or “I saw them on tv”, or other trivial life experience), then the above statement becomes undeniable.

    If afros themselves don’t like this reality to be recognized, then do something about it, and change your ways. Otherwise the truth will always eventually win out over denial of reality (especially when it produces more & more negative results); and then it will be the end of the line for your freeloading crime ridden ways. The power of reform is your choice to make, and if you don’t, then you will own the consequences of the eventual destructive backlash. And you will only have yourselves to blame for it (along with all the manipulative leftist whites who treated you as useful idiots). I do not hold out much hope for afro americans to change, but you never know. Otherwise prepare for this ending very badly.

  114. prusmc says:
    @joef

    I don’t think it will come to a point where Whites will ever fight-back. Maybe 50 years ago maybe, today forget about it. Whites have been indoctrinated that is they owe all and are culpable for all the misfortunes of Blacks. I agree that the types of government services noted by Josef will be cut back and eventually discontinued before even the slightest reduction will be made to payments to the underclass. There is a lot of ruin in the country before we reach this stage.

    • Replies: @joef
  115. I for one am disgusted with these “superhero” movies. They are the epitome of the Worship of Man as the measure of All Things. This is a blatant violation of the First and Second Commandments. These “messiah” figures (Superman) or Jewish golems (the Hulk or The Thing aka Benjamin J. Grimm a Jew hero) were created by non-Christian Hebrews (Jerry Siegel & Joe Shuster / Stan Lee etc.) and sold to children to create a new altar for their vain imaginations to take them away from their Christian religion given to them by their Gentile forefathers.

    I don’t see these going away in the next 20 years, in fact I see them being a cultural incubator for Transhumanism (eternal life via machines) to take flight and lead people to want to become the Bionic Man because the body God gave you was flawed because God is mean and He doesn’t want man to be able to get out from underneath the thumb of Death thus avoiding interment in Hell. This will fail of course, but so many will be lead to destruction. Narrow is the gate…

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @EliteCommInc.
  116. Truth says:
    @George

    What you wrote is a little too advanced for this crowd, Dawg. Try Stormfront.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @George
  117. Truth says:
    @bomag

    The guy basically said the Military Industrial Complex was created to fund black welfare. That’s some funny shit

  118. Truth says:
    @Dr. Krieger

    To anyone that thinks blacks will think this is fantasy like the X-Men or Thor…

    Bomag, check that, I scrolled down two inches and found one that was funnier.

  119. Jake says:

    The Left should be allowed to prove that its fantasy about blacks is true. There is only 1 way to do that: have all black nations and all white nations.

  120. Truth says:
    @bomag

    …And your insinuation is?

    Because the HIGH estimation of US welfare spending is one trillion dollars (a very small percentage of the which in all 126 welfare programs, goes to black people, by the way).

    So where is the other 8 trillion dollars?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/01/12/no-we-dont-spend-1-trillion-on-welfare-each-year/?utm_term=.c34220aaf905

    • Replies: @bomag
  121. Talha says:
    @bomag

    Hey bomag,

    I don’t believe that’s going to happen. Africa will get crowded for sure, but the continent – if used wisely – can sustain many more Africans (many of whom live on basic subsistence level – your household likely consumes the equivalent energy per year as a small African village). It likely cannot sustain anything on the industrial scale of the West.

    If the West doesn’t want them in their neck of the woods, then don’t allow them to immigrate and simply leave the continent alone.

    But let’s say your theory does play out. Once the dust settles, that will certainly solve the question of which race was superior, right? Who thinks Neandrathals were the awesomest thing on the planet?

    Don’t know if you ever checked out this album – it was fairly good:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_a_Black_Planet

    Peace.

  122. Truth says:
    @bomag

    But if, ultimately, humanity can manage nothing better than running around the jungles and savannas living hand to mouth

    ..In other words, what virile and athletic white men call, “vacation.”

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    , @bomag
  123. Truth says:
    @notice

    and haven’t sat through more than 5 NFL games this entire season.

    LOL, Bro, I’ve met WN during my time here who were hard men, but your monk-like determination is going to bring the whole system down on its ear! Are you sure you’re ready for that?

  124. Truth says:
    @Alec Leamas

    No one was writing that Thor or Superman represent a lost past stolen from anyone. They’re fantastical goofs and everyone knows it.

    Dude, they stole our past from us, I wish Johnny Cochran was still around, I would sue the bastards!

    Sincerely:

    Jor-el
    Hyppolita
    Abin-Sur
    and Uatu the Watcher

    (Guys would you please have mercy, it can’t be healthy for a man to laugh this hard this early in the morning).

  125. bomag says:
    @Truth

    too advanced for this crowd… Try Stormfront

    They’re smarter than us? Harsh!!

  126. Hopefully this movie will inspire all the amazing black people in America to move back to Africa. They’ve done so much to help America (and Western Europe, South America), it’s time for these amazing people to help their own tribe, return to lead Africa to the promised land.

    Make Africa Great Again!

    • Replies: @Malla
  127. Truth says:
    @Alec Leamas

    They believe that the CIA put crack cocaine in black neighborhoods because of racism or something.

    https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Alliance-Contras-Cocaine-Explosion/dp/1522694390

    Someone with an enhanced sense of grievance, historical illiteracy, and an 85 IQ is liable to take WAKANDA seriously and conceive of it as something stolen from him.

    Oh, kinda like you did when they cast a Knee-grow in the (your words) “fantastical goof”, non-existing world of “Thor?”

    OK that’s enough for now. You guys are keeping me young, that’s for sure.

  128. @KenH

    Pop quiz time. The creators were:

    1) Of Swedish descent
    2) Members of (((the tribe)))
    3) Of Asian descent
    4) Scottish with a dash of American Indian

    2) of course! Only God’s chosen people can have such imagination, talent and magnanimity. They are put on this earth to lead Africans to the promised land.

    Make Africa Great, if not Again, then at least For Once!

  129. Truth says:
    @Wyatt Pendleton

    OK, finally a man with some sense.

    Boy is it rare here.

  130. But journalists and activists seem to be taking it seriously, believing it has importance for real world politics.

    LOL.. Baloney. Most of the article is a strawman. Black Panther is routine comic book stuff that has been around since the 1960s with Stan Lee and the crew. Few are taking the Black Panther seriously. Oh sure a some people may riff off the trailer to talk about racism, colonialism etc to fill their daily quota of blog posts, and milk some tweets off it, but all realize its fantasy, just like the mystical kingdom of white Atlantis, or white Dr Doom’s Lavteria [sic]. Must be a slow day for Kersey to try to prime “the base” on this.. lol
    ———————–

    For American civic nationalists, Black Panther is an ominous sign. Like the National Football League, the movie industry is another American institution that seems to be dividing along racial lines, with whites alone being warned away from embracing racial identity. The effectiveness of Black Panther’s pro-black marketing strategy is a startling contrast to how whites react to pop culture: they generally don’t base their self-worth off films and are actively discouraged from “seeing themselves” as mythical heroes.

    Also dubious. White people control the culture to such an extent that they don;t have to explicitly holler about white identity. White is “normal” everything else is an “other.” And white culture heroes are celebrated primarily. Hell look at the comic book world=- its white heroes front and center. Most of the blacks are second string characters- even the panther in the overall Marvel universe compared to Thor, Spiderman etc. Having such dominance, why should white people be pumping up any “Aryan” fistpumps? That would be a lame strategy. Once again, Kersey’ spiel is rather a thin “stretch”.

  131. How many blacks can even fly an airplane, let alone a space ship? What percentage of commercial airline pilots and air force pilots are black? My guess is <1%. The equality police haven't made much noise about this, I guess they too want to survive a flight.

    • Replies: @Malla
  132. Talha says:
    @Alec Leamas

    Hey Alec,

    They believe that the CIA put crack cocaine in black neighborhoods because of racism or something.

    No – it was to help fund right-wing groups in South America. Black Americans and their communities were considered disposable for the bigger picture. This article talks about the man who investigated the story (which I remember reading when it first came out), Gary Webb, who apparently committed suicide with two gunshots to the head:
    “In 2004, Webb was found dead at the age of 49 from two gunshot wounds to the head. Police ruled it a suicide.”

    http://time.com/3482909/this-is-the-real-story-behind-kill-the-messenger/

    Dr. Ron Paul thought it was a sound theory; CIA uses black market drug money to fund operations that cannot get official approval:

    What do you think the CIA is up to – setting up kids’ bounce-house parties?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
  133. George says:
    @Truth

    Stormfront? I guess you are a troll, but I don’t get the StormFront reference, can you explain it?

    Not that it matters but this is Johnson’s cv.

    https://aast.uic.edu/aast/people/faculty/cedric-johnson

    • Replies: @Truth
  134. BB753 says:

    Actually, it’s a movie many of us race realists with a sense of humor look forward to watching for giggles. But I’m not watching any of the other Marvel od DC superhero crap. Hell, this film sounds as hilarious as “Coming to America” with Eddie Murphy as the prince of a super-developed fictional African knigdom called Zamunda!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coming_to_America

  135. joef says:
    @prusmc

    I agree with much of what you are saying. This will be a ugly affair however it occurs (unless we change direction, but there is no indication that will happen). Many Whites are pathetically indoctrinated with liberal white guilt, so they will mostly fall in the ranks of willing victims. But afro themselves, as I and others observed, are mostly full of bravado and bluster, than actual real ability. As I read one response to me say “afro americans are aggressive, but not courageous”. Afros believe they are tough when they attack weak helpless victims. But they naturally avoid anything that comprises a real challenge. Without our welfare support, they completely lack the ability to maintain themselves for a prolonged period of time. This is not exactly a winning formula for long term success. Whereas their brethren in Africa are a somewhat more adept at taking care of themselves on the basic level, afro americans are mere dependents who believe their own nonsense propaganda of afro greatness.

  136. Hacienda says:
    @Truth

    The coolest vacation in the world- two weeks in the Savannah, hunting wildebeest with Andre Iguodala, Kenny Smith, and Anthony Davis (who looks like one), with spears, bows and arrows. White men don’t even know how to hunt anymore. Just shoot each other in the face and shitz.

  137. Ohhh brother . . .

    I take it I am supposed to believe that Superman, Aqua-man, Batman, Iron man, and the Green Hornet are real or at least possible — I take it Thor is the real icon here. Look, the idea is not to subjugate whites. It’s to round up a narrative that seeking right, doing right, and embracing concepts such as justice, truth etc ate not color or ethnic centric.

    I used to love Superman until white intellectual millennials got a hold of him and turned him into a petty thief, someone who abandons his child, has relations out wedlock, with suggestions that he might actually a same sex practitioner and so good that he must be killed by one of his own.

    I am not going to begrudge the fancies that somewhere in the bowels of African lore from Egypt to the Congo someone black might actually have super powers.

    And after what was done to Wonder Woman, anyone complaining about fanciful heroes is just passe’. the Amazonian Wonder Woman daughter of the Queen is going to caught dead muchless alone with a nude man —

    Sadly, whatever the scenario, despite all the privilege, IQ, status, education and wonderfulness, there is some truth that whites will routinely — muck-up a good thing with all manner of unintelligent and immoral choices — If there is one thing that all superheroes have in common is that there are plenty of bad white guys and gals with high IQ’s.

    If you can deconstruct Superman into such a mess – as whites have done — anything is possible.

  138. Talha says:
    @Talha

    Also DEA officials called them out on it:

    The shocking thing to me is that – after all we have seen over the years, like the resurgence of opium in Afghanistan after we kicked out the Taliban – why people are shocked at the idea that there are wings of the CIA and other government agencies that make money off the drug trade?

    The estimated value of the cocaine market is nearly $90 Billion, heroin is $55 Billion – government agencies don’t want in on this? Really? Because they say so?

  139. @anonymous

    You didn’t ask, but the aircraft is that work of martial art, the A-6 Intruder. A perfectly lovely creation, Grumman’s equivalent of Michelangelo’s David.

    Who were we bombing? We were bombing the communist North Vietnamese during their war of aggression against our allies, the South Vietnamese.

    Why were we bombing them? I leave the answer to that question as an exercise for the reader.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
    , @Allan
    , @Kweli
  140. Newbie says:
    @Anonymous

    A Boeing Jumbo jet (withdrawn from service) in 2030 India……need I say more?

  141. If you do a little digging, you’ll find that George Soros is financing the movie.

  142. @Dave Pinsen

    99.9% of Black History is fiction.

    • Replies: @Kweli
  143. @KenH

    But since it only appeals to blacks…

    You’ll be surprised at number of white idiots who masturbate while watching it.

  144. @Anon

    It could have been Grenada or Panama – who knows. The 1st one being the war that made America stand tall again, and the 2nd proving George H. W was no wimp to be trifled with.

  145. Head Start didn’t do it, affirmation action didn’t do, preferential hiring orders didn’t do it, maybe the movie will. Anything’s worth trying.

  146. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    with whites alone being warned away from embracing racial identity

    They alone allow the others to warn them away from embracing racial identity.
    Therefore, they alone are warned away from it.

  147. @Truth

    Dude, they stole our past from us, I wish Johnny Cochran was still around, I would sue the bastards!

    Sincerely:

    Jor-el
    Hyppolita
    Abin-Sur
    and Uatu the Watcher

    (Guys would you please have mercy, it can’t be healthy for a man to laugh this hard this early in the morning).

    You’re really good at not addressing the point made by your interlocutors. I still can’t tell if this is intentional or a function of your inferior intelligence.

    • Replies: @Truth
  148. @Jim Christian

    That plane is a Navy A-6 and no way could it carry a 26,000 lb bomb load. Not even close. I know, I was there.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  149. No Tyler Perry movie has broken the $100 million box office; his average from 16 wide-release films is around $47 million.

    Even a tyro necromancer can see this thing won’t recoup its budget, pre-release hype notwithstanding.

    • Replies: @Truth
  150. SMK says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen

    Yes, it’s “wrong” and malign if the lies and fiction engender black rage and anti-white hatred and violence such as the Wichita massacre and the Knoxville horror and myriads of other atrocities.

  151. Covergirl says:

    Always good to hear what a disassociated cracker has to say about “the black” experience.

  152. @Steve in Greensboro

    Good grief, Steve, how can you call the A-6 “a perfectly lovely creation…………….?”No self-respecting fighter pilot wanted to fly this two-seat airplane, side by side at that. That statement must have been tongue-in-cheek. Why were we bombing them? This is not the thread to answer that question, but I will say even our illustrious leaders at the time could not answer it.

  153. Truth says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    OK, explain to me in nice simple language what the point is. What I am reading, and granted, as you said, it might be a function of low IQ, is that people here are offended by Wakanda (however it’s spelled) because it is “not real.” Yet at the simultaneously offended by a black “god” in the very real Kingdom of Asgard, the magical realm inhabited by Thor?

    Am I understanding this correctly?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Alec Leamas
  154. CCZ says:
    @Dr. Krieger

    “Second, obviously, we know, that Africa would not be like Wakanda without whites.”

    ‘Day Zero’ water shut-off looms in South Africa and locals queue up at taps as reality sets in that Cape Town may be the world’s first major city to run dry.
    The country’s showcase city, Cape Town is famously perched near two oceans.
    Nearly four million residents are anxious they will be left without running water.
    Security guards monitored how much water people queuing up were taking.

    The [opposition] party says the national government, run by the ruling African National Congress party, has failed to deliver water to all municipalities as required by law.

    Nomvula Mokonyane, the water and sanitation minister, counters that the city should do more to crack down on people using too much water.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-5315733/Day-Zero-Water-shut-looms-South-Africas-Cape-Town.html

    • Replies: @L Woods
  155. Talha says:
    @Truth

    Yet at the simultaneously offended by a black “god” in the very real Kingdom of Asgard, the magical realm inhabited by Thor?

    LOOOOOL!!! I heard about this – maybe if Odin called the guy “boy” enough it would have been alright.

    • LOL: Truth
    • Replies: @Anon
  156. Allan says:
    @Steve in Greensboro

    The US was bombing Viet Nam because it was much less hassle to the GOP than a domestic movement to extirpate the left root and branch. It was also far more profitable to the MIC, and this choice liberated “conservatives” from the personal risks of a dirty civil war to reinforce the prime domino of domino theory by gettng Instead, conservatives obtained military slaves, mostly from the lower class and lower middle class, to be the men of conservatism by shooting foreign peasants indiscriminately and by helping college graduates to drop napalm and other stuff on the peasants.

    Eventually the Democrats turned off the funding for the war, which would have been impossible if the conservative sissy had insisted upon cleansing America First. So Viet Nam was lost to the commies, and during the next 40+ yrs the left took over much of America, too.

    Notice that the pattern would repeat itself after 9/11. The situation called for a thorough curbstomping of both Muslims and their leftist allies throughout the USA, but the GOP and its moronic voters (mostly servile Christians and urban money grubbers) thought that they knew better. Sure, there were some differences between this military adventure and the Viet Nam blunder. For example, there was no conscription, but the long term effects of the similar strategic blunder are becoming clear through changes like the great increase of the qty of Muslims in the USA since Sept 2001.

    I hope this answers your question.

    P.S. The police, who are “heroes” of conservatism, now make sure that the public is too intimidated to take action against the Muslims, much less the left.

  157. @Truth

    You can go on and on and on to your hearts’ content. Doesn’t change the tenor in 95% of southern towns that are White majority. Negro protest interests go worse for them the further outside blue states and cities they travel. As for Hispanics, Blacks don’t mess with Hispanics, quite the reverse is true. Everyone’s fed up with Blacks. There’s a reason BLM goes to Blue cities. No consequences.

    • Replies: @Truth
  158. @Truth

    “And what was the average [Tyler Perry] budget?”

    Doesn’t matter … could be $10 million, could be $200 million. The point is, there’s a box-office ceiling for all-black movies, that doesn’t exist for e.g. X-Men.

    To liberals, Marxist hype equates to a money tree. Magical thinking.

    Then Air America slaps everyone back to reality.

    • Replies: @Truth
  159. SMK says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen

    How many whites have been and will be assaulted, mugged, raped, gang-raped, murdered, etc., because of this dishonest and despicable movie?

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  160. How ’bout a movie about what the United States would be like if Africans had never been brought over?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Carroll Price
  161. Truth says:
    @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    Doesn’t matter … could be $10 million, could be $200 million.

    Well actually, I would say it does matter. If Tyler Perry is making $40m on a movie that cost $5m, that’s a pretty good profit, ain’t it?

    The point is, there’s a box-office ceiling for all-black movies, that doesn’t exist for e.g. X-Men.

    Well technically there is a box office ceiling for all movies… but no, a “black” movie does not do as much business as a Marvel Comics blockbuster…BUT SO FUCKING WHAT?!?!

    Neither does an Alexander Payne film, or a Woody Allen film or a Tood Solondz film. They are not expected to, and they flop overseas because they are diologue-driven.

    Woody Allen, for comparison has had exactly TWO films crack the $100m box office level in 51 years of directing. ONE has cracked $50m since NINETEEN-EIGHTY SIX.

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?view=Director&id=woodallen.htm

    Oh, and the average box office of Pedo-Woody’s films, $32m.

    And he’s a genius, right?

  162. bomag says:
    @Truth

    …what virile and athletic white men call, “vacation.”

    LOL. Good one.

    I’ve always thought the “vacation” was to remind them to go home and keep the electric grid up and running.

  163. bomag says:
    @Truth

    Jor-el
    Hyppolita
    Abin-Sur
    and Uatu the Watcher

    That’s gotta be worth some nerd points.

  164. @Tulip

    “Isn’t this move just white nationalism in black face?”

    What stunningly ignorant low IQ bollocks.

    Whites actually built the finest civilization the world has ever seen, as attested to by the billions who want to live in it.

    Don’t see frail little flowers fleeing to such black paradises as Somalia or Nigeria or (name your Sub-Sahara hellhole here.)

  165. notice says:

    Nice new website called boycott liberalhollywood.com. I agree with the site. Don’t give (Hollywood)) your money. See all the old classic films first on your DVD player.

  166. Talha says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buyer’s Remorse…

    I thought White folks were super future-oriented- what happened? Didn’t they see this coming?

    Suggestion; offer Blacks six contiguous states of their choice as a new ethnic homeland. Shake hands, part ways and keep the CIA out. Call it New Wakanda!!!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Dr. Krieger
  167. @Twodees Partain

    As opposed to white exploitation films Tarzan, Mama’s Boys, Grindhouse, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Last House on the Left, Nightmare on Elm Street 1, 2, 3, . . . , Friday the 13th 1, 2 . . .etc, Halloween . . . 6 . . . , I Spit On Your Grave . . ., Black Christmas (there’s some irony), Prom Night, Your Next, Hatchet, Psycho . . . wrong Turn . . .

    Now admittedly, I haven’;t seen many of these films, but the motivation is quite clear with entire sites dedicated to satisfying the palate of white fears, violence with a side order of illicit relations.

    Now granted there are more whites than blacks in this country so one should expect more white exploitation . . . I know I am supposed to be on the politically correct path of denouncing all things black . . . but good grief.

    • Replies: @Dr. Krieger
  168. L Woods says:
    @CCZ

    But at least they don’t have to sit on separate park benches.

  169. I lived in a representative African country for four years. Shakedowns by police and government officials were frequent. Any love shown between the races was generally in the direction from white to black, not the other way around. Whites and Indian merchants were generally despised. (Locals were conspicuously absent in significant commerce – locals were marketplace bottom feeders with no capital and no inventories larger than a single person could carry.) ALL social institutions were corrupted by incompetence and graft. Public services, such as water and power, worked sometimes, and sometimes not. High rise buildings were usually not of safe construction, and you did not ever ever want to get caught in an elevator which could break down at any moment from lack of, or faulty service. A small, corrupt and often vicious upper class lived quite well, the middle class was very small and under the low-wage gun, and the lower classes, hopelessly divided by tribal lines, were destitute with zero hope of a better future. The rule of law was flexible and subject to change in a manner always benefiting the elites. Go 40 miles inland, and you could see how people lived in the stone age. Rickets, distended abdomens, malaria (essentially everyone was born with this), cerebral malaria (zombies walking down the roads), leprosy, yaws (look up some pictures of that!), were fairly widespread. Supposedly, if you could reach the age of 20 years, you could expect to live to 60, but getting to 20 was the hard part. People’s drinking water was often polluted by their own wastes. Cholera, anybody? A more progressive country, Nigeria, was an Alice-in-Wonderland madhouse where you had to hire a consultant to get from the airplane through customs. And if you surrendered your passport for any reason, to get it back was really expensive and time consuming. Wakanda, my a$$! Confucius said, “the beginning of wisdom is calling things by their right names.” Creating politically correct, unsupportable fantasies and encouraging people to live in falsehood is in no measure the way present problems can be either addressed or moderated.

    • Agree: Carroll Price
    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @Truth
  170. @Truth

    OK, explain to me in nice simple language what the point is. What I am reading, and granted, as you said, it might be a function of low IQ, is that people here are offended by Wakanda (however it’s spelled) because it is “not real.” Yet at the simultaneously offended by a black “god” in the very real Kingdom of Asgard, the magical realm inhabited by Thor?

    Am I understanding this correctly?

    Of course not.

    No one is “offended” by Wakanda. They’re pointing out that blacks are sincerely engaging in the fantasy that Wakanda represents in some real sense the full potential of Sub-Saharan Africa but for the intervention of Europeans. It seems intended to foster in blacks an additional cause for grievance and resentment as if it was needed, this time based solely upon a comic book.

    Kersey is further pointing out that “Diversity” works one way – Wakanda is entirely black, but a Valkyrie (which is a comic book figure but based upon preexisting Norse religio-mythological figures depicted thousands of times as anything but a mulatta chick) must of course be a diverse casting choice.

    Disclosure: I don’t read the funny papers except for Marmaduke and Beetle Bailey, I haven’t seen the one movie and I won’t see the other.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  171. AaronB says:

    There’s like a gazillion movies that extol European culture and civilization. Period dramas, etc.

    I might watch this goofy movie, it seems kinda cool. I always loved those old Rider Haggard tales of lost African kingdoms….which, btw, is obviously what this film is modeled on.

    The idea that Europeans are so powerful that this African kingdom can only survive by hiding doesn’t exactly push the message of African superiority.

    Kind of ridiculous that blacks can’t have a nice little fantasy now and then.

  172. Mark T says:
    @Anonymous

    Don’t understand old fashioned cameras and suddenly switching to left hand drive, but presumably to be consistent there would need to be some incredibly rich but hugely corrupt white ‘businessmen’ wandering around having massively exploited all the poor white people back home?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  173. Robert Dunn says: • Website

    Christopher Chambers, who somehow because a professor, believes the release of a black superhero means ‘we’ve finally arrived and needs reminding that comic books were the source for the entire Marvel franchise. And I think many need to be reminded where the true ‘future’ of ‘Afrofuturism’ would be without all those white doctors and scientists that have had to come up with cures for the diseases Africa started: an empty continent.

  174. Kweli says:
    @Steve in Greensboro

    “North Vietnamese war of aggression against our allies…”. Wow! Your sense of history would be the envy of US imperial warmongers at the height of their criminal war. The country is now one, ain’t it?

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  175. Kweli says:
    @Carroll Price

    You may be right; was it because most of it’s earlier version was written by Whites?

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  176. @Alec Leamas

    I certainly have my issues with blacks in this country, but the first two sentences are self imposed myths created to impugn, there’s not any real evidence that blacks intend to accept the fiction of marvel comics as some idealized truth.

    Since Africa has been out of colonial hangs for seventy-five years, time will tell what to make of their fulfilling their potential.

  177. @Kweli

    A little history might help you out.

    S. Vietnam was a state recognized by the UN. Had the N Vietnamese actually wanted peace they could have ceased invading S. Vietnam at any time , including during the 1050′s.

    The chants for give peace a chance were misdirected. It was the North that broke every single peace treaty — everyone.

    • Replies: @Kweli
  178. @Wyatt Pendleton

    Excuse me:

    1050′s should be 1950′s.

  179. @SMK

    My guess is that there will be many, and they will all be allowed to walk free. This is on the Narrative Collapse blog:

    http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/07/10/killer-gets-free-pass-for-beating-his-tutor-to-death-in-front-of-witnesses/

    “The prosecution originally decided they would let Donley off easy and only pursue manslaughter charges. Then they waited over five years. Broward County Assistant State Attorney Vegina Trimetric Hawkins, who is black, now claims that the state no longer has a case. She says one of the witnesses was a student from Saudi Arabia. He is back in Saudi Arabia and Hawkins says the former prosecutor mishandled his deposition.”

    Vegina Trimetric Hawkins?

  180. JackOH says:
    @The Welsher

    Thanks, The Welsher, for your first-person testimonial about your African experience. I’ve talked with Black ex-pats from Ghana, South Africa, and Haiti, all upmarket folks who actually left something behind when they arrived here in the States. I think nothing works and ubiquitous corruption may be the common views of all three about their home countries.

    The Haitian guy, Fritz A., talked casually about American food aid commandeered by Haiti’s elites to be sold to Haiti’s poor. Nice little profit there when your cost of food is $0.

    All three had poor opinions of American Blacks.

  181. @Kweli

    Earlier version? Clue me in.

  182. @Buzz Mohawk

    It would be something like Minnesota, Iowa, Oregon, Vermont, Ohio, and isolated areas of Dixie like north Georgia and parts of Virginia (where’s there’s few blacks and almost no crime) with a little local flavor thrown in.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  183. Kweli says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    History? East Germany too was recognized by the UN. You conveniently overlook the fact that unified Vietnam is also recognized by the UN. Your point? I was intrigued by the British philosopher Bertrand Russell’s prediction long before America’s withdrawal that they would be defeated and the country re-united. So it was. Time to go to bed.

  184. @Kweli

    I am not sure what plane of existence to respond to here. In yours the current status has some play to pre-1975, when S. Vietnam and N. Vietnam were two independent states.

    UN recognition is generally considered — nation status as Such, each and every time N. Vietnam crossed the border to engage in violence was in fact a violation of S. Vietnam’s sovereignty —

    Hence the support of S. Vietnam by the US and others. That’s the real world planet on the table not the imaginary planet where a unified Vietnam which did not exist during the conflict ,

  185. There are parts of what we used to call darkest Africa that never saw a white man until about 140 years ago. These civilizations, if we can call them that, were far below the level of Africans who had had some exposure to and ability to absorb European practices, values, technology and education.

    • Replies: @Talha
  186. @Kweli

    Hmmmmm . . . N. Vietnam actually lost the Vietnam conflict and they agreed to a treaty to end the matter. Now I certainly get the liberal hoola hoop of “But they weren’t serious.” “It was just a ruse, and we knew it . . .” Yada yada song and dance about the given up territory.
    Botton line, S. Vietnam won their independence, or I should say maintained their independence. And for a brief time the US assisted in that process. Our troops went home in 1973, and withdrew military support when the South successfully defended their country by another one of N. Vietnam’s failure to abide by a treaty agreement — yawn — shocker. Those peaceful North Vietnamese —

    Despite that successful defense, US congress decided to cease any financial support for what was a hard fought win. Pres Nixon was no longer in office and when the North invaded with the help pf the chinese and Soviets, they simply could not withstand the onslaught.

    And the predicted slaughter by communists began ravishing both north and south. As for the ultimate win

    Vietnam now beckoning for US capital markets.

    • Agree: joef
    • Replies: @anarchyst
  187. Talha says:
    @Patrick Sullivan

    These civilizations, if we can call them that

    I don’t think you can. You can call them cultures – in fact they might be great cultures or horrible ones (depends on various circumstances).

    But the world “civilization” is predicated on the notions of citizenship which is where the word derives from Latin. Civilization describes city-dwelling cultures as opposed to other types.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  188. joef says:

    This is the problem with our current status with our race relations with the afro american:
    They are responsible for two major problems against this nation, which is violent crime, and the endless reception of entitlements (which for the point of brevity, I will include affirmative action as part of afro entitlements).

    The cost of the welfare state is where the greatest degree of our deficit spending is going. States, Counties, Municipalities, do not have national defense budgets. All government levels are no longer selling bonds to pay for long term capital improvement projects, but now use it to pay for annual operating expenses. In the past government expenses, before the war on poverty (the official title for endless afro giveaways), could meet their routine expenses without having to resort to selling bonds; but the added burden of the monstrous welfare state now forces them to always sell bonds to pay for it.

    Instead of providing a feeling of appreciation for all they receive, afros react with the opposite reaction, resenting that they are not getting even more. Their infantile understanding of economics is that they want more free lunch, and we Non Blacks are hoarding it all for ourselves. More sincere liberals (as opposed to limo libs and leftist progs) believed that giving more & more to afros would have created good feelings & mutual understanding between us, but it is obvious to the rest of us that this is not the case.

    Unprovoked afro initiated violence is even a bigger problem. Afros kill more American residents than any other group. The rate of violence that they commit as compared to Non Blacks is truly staggering. Most afros feel no remorse about this, but instead believe whitey had it coming. Most anyone who lived adjoining an afro ghetto readily acknowledges the afros ability to commit extreme violence in order to obtain casual objectives.

    But what really complicates the problem is how many Whites want to deny this issue. Since they never experienced this directly, they want to pretend it doesn’t exist. Instead they come out with nonsensical solutions such as closing down prisons, and letting them out loose among the public (so they can kill again). This is akin to letting out the “imprisoned” plague from a research lab, claiming that it poses no harm to the general public.

    But the worst part of this is that: it ignores the Non Black (and Black) crime victims. It never acknowledges that theses victims were real people with names & faces, addresses, date of birth, place of birth, with mothers & fathers, have family & friends, hopes & dreams, jobs, and lives. Instead they are ignored on the alter of Whites making excuses in trying to feel good about themselves. Thus, these ignored victims are sacrificed so other isolated Whites do not have to think about it, and hope afros will love them for their effort. These whites claim to have compassion, yet don’t have empathy with the devastating effect of being a victim of afro violence (and that is why most libs & leftist are hated by others).

  189. anarchyst says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    You are correct. South Vietnam was INVADED by the North Vietnamese communists. It was an INVASION, not a “civil-war” as many promoters of communism try to define it as. Despite not being permitted to destroy the invasion routes, and having one hand tied behind our backs, American and South Vietnamese troops did an outstanding job in delaying the communist expansion into South Vietnam.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  190. @Kweli

    ” They ( the Americans) would be defeated and the country re-united”

    Okay, In spite of my Mensa attested IQ level of ca 150:160 points I am and have been for the last four decades been unable to comprehend the, propagated by the left, criteria, as applied to the Viet Nam, for winning or losing a military conflict and that being : The side which suffers the most losses, North Viet Nam, with two and a half million fatalities, is the winning side , and the side which experiences the least losses : The US, with 55000 fatalities, is the losing side.

    This formula, being a total reversal of all parameters, and criteria since time immorial, is simply designed to make the actual losers, namely the North Viet Nam peoples, appear as the winners, and the actual winners : the USA to appear as the losers, in order to fulfill typical leftist propaganda requirements, and goals.

    USA : 55 000 casualities = Losers

    North Viet Nam 2 500 ooo casualities = winners

    And added to this bizarre paradox the apparition of the current nation of Viet Nam, bursting with USA elements such as Mc Donalds, Dunken Donuts, Burger King and skate boards, and we have yet another Kaisers new suit
    conumdrum served up by the world-wide leftist big-brothers = The present day usurpers and owners of = New speak.

    My beloved twenty-four year old, and since deceased brother, returned from Viet Nam in 1970, with a stiff leg and an undefeated spirit.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

  191. Imagine you woke up to discover that everybody with more than 25% sub-Saharan ancestry had died, painlessly and peacefully, in their sleep.

    If your first thought was “How are we going to cope without them?”, you’re probably 24% sub-Saharan African.

  192. (((Mark Feige)))…just a hunch.

  193. martin2 says:

    I am in the UK. Just wondering, are there really actual white people in the USA that are goofy enough to take seriously the idea that Africa would be advanced and prosperous were it not for white European colonisation and interference? Do such people really exist?

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  194. Truth says:
    @The Welsher

    Any love shown between the races was generally in the direction from white to black, not the other way around. Whites and Indian merchants were generally despised.

    Locals were conspicuously absent in significant commerce – locals were marketplace bottom feeders with no capital and no inventories larger than a single person could carry.

    the middle class was very small and under the low-wage gun, and the lower classes, were destitute with zero hope of a better future.

    And you weren’t able to draw an understanding from these facts?

  195. bomag says:
    @Truth

    So where is the other 8 trillion dollars?

    These are two separate things. The eight trillion largely refers to the financial institution bailout in the wake of the circa 2008 financial crisis. Odious as that was, it was a one time payout to a generally productive industry.

    One trillion in welfare goes out every year until the end of time.

    a very small percentage of the… welfare programs, goes to black people

    The complaint is in the percentage use by that population.

  196. Truth says:

    The eight trillion largely refers to the financial institution bailout in the wake of the circa 2008 financial crisis. Odious as that was, it was a one time payout to a generally productive industry.

    Well if you know where the money went, how come the Fed executive in the clip didn’t?

    The complaint is in the percentage use by that population.

    Yes, that is the problem.

    http://theweek.com/articles/498230/michele-bachmann-welfare-queen

    • Replies: @bomag
  197. @Authenticjazzman

    This formula, being a total reversal of all parameters, and criteria since time immorial, is simply designed to make the actual losers, namely the North Viet Nam peoples, appear as the winners, and the actual winners : the USA to appear as the losers, in order to fulfill typical leftist propaganda requirements, and goals.

    USA : 55 000 casualities = Losers

    North Viet Nam 2 500 ooo casualities = winners

    ——————————–

    Your “Formula” is rather laughable. Where is this mystical rule “since time immemorial” that says the side that take the highest casualties is automatically the “loser”? The Soviets took much more combat deaths than the Germans during WW2 and emerged the clear winner. Likewise the North suffered more combat deaths than the Americans and also emerged the clear winner. You simply do not have a basic grasp of history.

    And northern losses are not “2,500,000.” Where do you get this pseudo figure? A number of Western historians put total communist losses at some 666,000 dead, but figures released by the communist regime in 1995 stipulate 1.1 million dead, which includes both Viet Cong and PAVN regulars. (James Wilbanks, 2017. The Vietnam War: A Topical Exploration and Primary Source Collection) Even taking the higher communist figure and doubling it does not even get up to this mystical “2,500,000″ figure you pull out of thin air.

    And on top of all the other errors you seem to forget that the North was fighting BOTH the US AND the ARVN, whose losses range from a low of 110,000 to 250,000 depending on credible source referenced. You seem to think that only the USA was fighting in Vietnam, or that only the USA inflicted casualties on the VC/PAVN. This is even more dubious. Any accounting of losses on the “Free World” side has to include South Vietnamese losses. This much should be painfully obvious…

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  198. @Authenticjazzman

    And added to this bizarre paradox the apparition of the current nation of Viet Nam, bursting with USA elements such as Mc Donalds, Dunken Donuts, Burger King and skate boards, and we have yet another Kaisers new suit
    conumdrum served up by the world-wide leftist big-brothers = The present day usurpers and owners of = New speak. Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

    How is this a “bizarre paradox” for a “mensa qualified” guy like you? Germany and Japan after WW2 are bursting with corporate brands like MacDonalds, Dunkin Donuts, etc., many of which were putin place not by “Leftist Big Brothers” but plain old conservative money-grubbing capitalists. Likewise with various other winners on the Allied side from Britain to Belgium. Exactly what is “bizarre” about these corporate appearances? Earlier you seem to forget that any war accounting must account for losses on BOTH sides- in the case of Vietnam: (a) the US/ARVN and (b) the VC/PAVN. If you are indeed a military veteran, how could you miss so basic a point?

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  199. I am going to half to beg off the crime and color schemas. Crime is generally more intense in low income crowded communities. As black inherited or were relegated to such communities they also inherited that same legacy of groups prior –Irish, Jews, Italians, etc. History suggests that this phenomenon is not color locked. Further exacerbating the problem is that police spent years not policing in these neighborhoods. The would freezer — calls, place responding to them as low priority and the last in line. Often communities were left to their own devices, essentially leaving criminals as power brokers. There;s nothing unique to color — – suffice it to say, anyone engaged in criminal activity makes life tough and it should be dealt with accordingly. Because even if every single murder was committed by a black person –

    the percentage of the black population responsible for 18,000 murders would be
    0.000039130434782608%. Not even a half percent of blacks commit murder. Let’s take a larger number, if I wanted to attribute all assaults roughly 1,250,000 in the US to a single population the percentage of blacks involved would be about 3%. Nothing to sneeze at, but that is sill a small segment of people to attribute a behavior to. It’s a very tough sell. If had a conniption fit over three bad apples thereby condemning the other seven percent, you might consider me unreasoned, in this case the demand is that I ignore the lives of 45,000,000 million people — in which case you call me off my rocker. Note: in neither of the accounting above have I broken down the actual color distribution of criminal acts. I just granted that every single one be attributed to a black person — which as you know is incorrect. However, that kind of irrational thinking explains why blacks were either denied employment, choice of living environment and white flight.

    I clearly understand the proportional contentions. , but I am more inclined to attribute socio-environments as opposed to skin color. And I cannot in good conscience dismiss discrimination, just because it one those actual inconvenient artifacts used to manage an entire population based on skin color. And I agree poverty, disenfranchisement, segregation, etc. is not excuse for criminal
    behavior.

    There is a book by Dr. Amity Shlaes, I think she is the author, in which she covers the history of welfare. by and large blacks are not in the picture until the 1960′s. It appears that up until that time black charity was handled by black communities, sometimes those established s far back as the Civil War and largely the work of churches and private donors. So despite being bared from economic opportunity among the dominant population. Blacks by their skills, talents and means created their own businesses as well as provided for their communities’ charities. There are two tell tale cases

    1. the denial of black farmers to get farm loans — and farming in this country has a history of leaning in such loans to start and maintain their as well as grow their businesses.
    2. depression era grants, loans and other economic opportunities. Blacks in nearly every community were cut out that distribution cycle. So Pres. Franklin’s New Deal, was a deal for primarily for whites. If the ethos around this huge government programs is any indication — that doesn’t spell well for the idea that blacks have a legacy of government welfare. They were last or nonexistent on the government check lists.

    There was a time when I looked at the numbers and came to this or that conclusions. But numbers have a context and frame – they are not in and of themselves always explanatory.

    It would be nice to get rid of welfare, but here the numbers are overwhelmingly white both pre-1960 and afterwards. Once I learned that constructs such as redlining, segregation, short changed equity were widespread i could no longer simply –”blame black laziness or corruption”. There is that, nut it is not endemic to blacks and slave life and the life upon the end of slavery suggest otherwise.

    There are some real downsides to welfare for African american blacks, they should shun all its trappings, but what it sows is irrespective of color.

  200. @EnriiqueCardovaa

    I will avoid the losses to death model, because those numbers don’t actually determine who wins or loses. Sooth Vietnam lost between a million or more depending on who sets the number. What matters to me is that many were willing to give to a cause to fight for their country of S. Vietnam . The S. Vietnamese were not puppets of anyone, they preferred a way of opposed to communist governance and they put up to prove it.

    South Vietnam did have support from others as did North Vietnam.

    What is essential is that Jane Fonda and her give peace a chance crowd got nearly every single aspect of the causes and goals completely wrong.

    The only aspect that the protesters got right was that war

    is a nasty filthy business best avoided, but sometimes others leave you no choice. And North Vietnam refused to give peace a chance.

    • Replies: @EnriiqueCardovaa
  201. @martin2

    No, I don’t believe there are that many white people in the USA who believe in the “we wuz kangz” nonsense, and that European colonization is the cause of Africa’s backwardness. The big picture is Caucasians/Europeans know the truth but are still too cowardly to admit it out loud. At this point in world history, we can see that it was the Caucasian/Aryan/European races who created civilizations. World history can be summed up in 2 words: IQ. The Asians are second and blacks are last. The world has been settled, IQs measured, and races delineated. Are you familiar with the book “The Bell Curve” which deals with IQ? In order to have a functioning society, the people who make it up must have an IQ of 90+. There is nonsense going on about how East Asians are smarter than Caucasians. They are not. Asians/blacks don’t have the Faustian spirit, another requirement. And Jews are not the smartest tribe ever. This miscegenated, meshuggah melange had nothing to do with Western civilization. Asians create second tier countries, blacks the worst countries. We also know that mixing with blacks/Asians destroys IQ.

    But avoiding the IQ issue and its relation to race is becoming more difficult to deny every day. The invasion of Europe by blacks/Muslims/Asians is causing deadly problems. I don’t need to tell you about what’s going on in the UK. We are also reaching the breaking point. In the USA, billions and billions have been spent to improve blacks. It has been nothing but a waste of money. The biggest obstacles (which will soon be overcome) are the Roman Catholic Church and the evangelical Protestants in the USA. Are you RCC or a Protestant? In Europe, cuck pope Frannie is one of biggest supporters of the invasion. Here, the USA RCC is the biggest supporter of illegals from Latin America. The Protestants are in competition with the RCC for converts so they are enablers. A new Christian church only for the West will have to be created. Blacks/Asians can have their own churches in their countries.

    A new history with IQ/race as part of the core will have to be taught. In the West, the Bible is the most important book. But it only tells a partial history of the world. The Bible is focused on the Middle East (which at that time was comprised of Caucasians). It was a small part of the world but of course what happened changed world history. Abraham lived around 2000 BC. However, there were 2 great civilizations in existence: Egypt and India. The Egypt mentioned in the Bible is the Caucasian Egypt. The India mentioned in the Bible is the Aryan India. Today, those ancient countries no longer exist. The Caucasian Egyptians mixed with blacks to produce present day Egyptians (avg. IQ 81) and the Aryan Indians mixed with Asians to produce present day Indians (avg. IQ 82). The most important objective reality, truth is IQ. Loss of IQ is the end of a civilization. IQ loss is what the West and its populations is facing if it does not deal with the invaders. Religion will have to be taught differently.

    There was a movie made in 1968 “The Planet of the Apes.” At the end, Charlton Heston sees the broken Statue of Liberty. We can see this same movie ending in present day Egypt. When anyone goes to visit the Pyramids and ancient temples, and you see the present day Egyptians around you, people who will never be able to do what the ancient Egyptians did, this science fiction movie is a mirror of present day reality. This is the same if you go to India and marvel at the ancient temples and the complex Hindu philosophical system. Today’s Indians can only mimic what the ancients created. The Bible does not deal with IQ. We have to deal with it and take appropriate measures. Separation is the best way.

    What are the English going to do to prevent Harry from marrying the negress?

  202. bomag says:
    @Truth

    how come the Fed executive in the clip didn’t

    She indicated that it wasn’t part of her investigation and/or was part of an unfinished investigation.

    When answering in an official capacity, people get cagey.

    Michele Bachmann: ‘Welfare queen’?

    Ag subsidies are a problematic comparison here. We want more food; we want cheaper food; we want more farmers on the land; so we offer some subsidies toward that end.

    I’m not sure we want more low-income people, but here we are.

    • Replies: @Truth
  203. Talha says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    You make some excellent points – thanks for posting them. I remember reading about the African American community around the time of Malcolm X and it seems very different than what it is today. It seems a lot of the problems stem from the breakdown of the traditional family in that community- connected of course to the issue of welfare.

    I remember reading that the Amish fought for being exempt from the whole social security welfare project, maybe they were smart enough to know what it can engender.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  204. @EliteCommInc.

    Where do you live? Vermont? Iowa? You should consider moving to Baltimore, Detroit, Ferguson. When you plan your next vacation, try South Africa, let’s say, visit a white South African farmer. Or even closer, try Haiti or Jamaica.

    • Replies: @joef
  205. @EliteCommInc.

    I would agree with much of what you say. While they did not have the ruthless determination or skill of the North, the South Vietnamese had ever right to prevent the takeover of their society by a totalitarian dictatorship, and some turned in fine performances, against a vicious enemy And I don’t think Fonda et al should have gone to Hanoi to serve in their propaganda campaign. They could have made their point without doing that. (Correction- RVN/ARVN casualties up above range from 200,000-300,000 dead again depending on source.)

  206. Truth says:
    @bomag

    Ag subsidies are a problematic comparison here. We want more food; we want cheaper food; we want more farmers on the land; so we offer some subsidies toward that end.

    So you inherit some land from your father, and can’t find a way to operate a successful business, and this is the responsibility of the taxpayer?

    And we do want low-income people, as opposed to no-income people, because low income people still have to patronize the Michelle Bachmans of the world for their products.

    I used Ag subsidies as an example of where MOST welfare money goes; upper-middle class whites.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-07-26/those-pointless-upper-middle-class-entitlements

    Specifically, the 40% of American adults with incomes just below the top 10% received more in safety net government transfers (Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps/SNAP, Veterans’ benefits, etc., but excluding Social Security) than the bottom 50% of Americans.

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/05/01/absurd-amount-entitlements-go-rich-people

    So there you go, William Jennings Bryan, you’ve learned something you were unaware of. Now the question is, do your opinions change as well?

    • Replies: @bomag
  207. @Talha

    Well,

    I can’t speak for the Amish. Welfare is intended as a help. Whether it helps or nor not is dependent on a lot of factors. but the record suggests it’s not the result of some innate trait harbored by blacks.

    Beware of those who come crying peace peace . . .

    And the Amish tend to take care of their own and avoid government and worldly entanglements, so welfare they have, it’s just not from the government.

  208. Hacienda says:
    @Talha

    Civilization describes city-dwelling cultures as opposed to other types.

    And that’s all it is. It’s not a hammer to pound people who don’t live in cities. And if every thesis has its anti-thesis, the thesis of the modern city has its anti-thesis in nuclear bombs. Quite the prize it is to be civilized.

    • Agree: Talha
  209. @EnriiqueCardovaa

    ” How is this a”bizarre paradox” for a “mensa” qualified” guy like you?

    Very simple : Nobody tried to claim the actual losers Germany or Japan were the winners, such as they, the leftists, have done for the last forty years regarding Viet Nam.

    It simply infuriates you to confront the truth about the Viet Nam “defeat” of the US, as you leftists cling to the BS fairy tale of the US having lost the war, as your “proof” of the superiorty of communism.

    And nowhere did I claim that Mcdonalds, Dunkin Donats, etc were put in place by “leftist big brothers”.

    You are twisting my words around to suit your leftist agenda, and you cannot BS me.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz aritist.

    • Replies: @EnriiqueCardovaa
  210. joef says:
    @attilathehen

    Don’t go there with him, because he never seemed to have experienced direct negative consequences from afros, thus he does not really believe they exist to the degree that they do. I truly like EliteCommInc for I believe he is truly sincere in what he believes. I do not believe he is a leftist who just wants to condemn other whites for their supposed racism. He seems to be a lot more intelligent than I am. That said, I been through this merry go round with him before, to which he strongly adheres to a myopic experience in this particular subject, which somewhat applies to what I wrote before:

    But the worst part of this is that: it ignores the Non Black (and Black) crime victims. It never acknowledges that theses victims were real people with names & faces, addresses, date of birth, place of birth, with mothers & fathers, have family & friends, hopes & dreams, jobs, and lives. Instead they are ignored on the alter of Whites making excuses in trying to feel good about themselves. Thus, these ignored victims are sacrificed so other isolated Whites do not have to think about it, and hope afros will love them for their “fair minded” efforts. These whites claim to have compassion, yet don’t have empathy with the devastating effect of being a victim of afro violence (and that is why most libs & leftist are hated by others).

    I do not believe he is callous as much as he is trying to be a fair minded individual, yet he does not realize that many of us dealt with the direct consequences of bad afro behavior, and our statements are from personal empirical experience (which resulted in the real consequences of serious injury, and death, to people we have known), not to pass judgement from afar. I hope for his sake he does not learn the hard way.

    He will make great efforts to say your, and others, negative afro experiences never happened. This will just infuriate you because once you suffered, or know others who suffered, from unprovoked afro attacks, then you cannot deny such reality just because an intellectual says so. What he believes about this particular subject is basically akin to saying putting your hand on a hot stove is okay!
    Good luck.

  211. @EliteCommInc.

    LOL

    I will not sit here and let you call Psycho an exploitation film, you poltroon.

    (Glove slap)

  212. @Talha

    I suppose we could have castrated our African slaves like the Arabs did. They have no black problem today. Just myriad self-made ones.

    I agree with your suggestion, though it would need to be walled off from the remaining white American states. Blacks would be clamoring to return in a years tops (depending on the break). I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they were willing to be sold into slavery for a chance to get back into a white country.

    • Replies: @Talha
  213. @Authenticjazzman

    Its amazing to see how an article about a black Marvel movie, ended up producing a comment thread about the Vietnam War.

    [email protected]#king ponderous man. Ponderous.

  214. @joef

    More simply put, I think the boy huffs way too much glue before posting one of his oblivious Rosanne Rosannadanna screeds.

    • Replies: @joef
  215. TG says:

    Well, why not??

    I mean, we are supposed to believe that Angelina Jolie and her pipe-cleaner-thin arms can punch out a marine?

    We are supposed to believe that Peter Pan can fly?

    We are supposed to believe that Keanu Reeves can have 200 guys shooting at him with automatic weapons and they hardly even scratch him?

    We are supposed to believe that Dick Cheney is a nice guy who cares deeply about his fellow citizens? No, wait, we aren’t supposed to believe that. Never mind.

    If I want reality all I need to do is walk down the streets. Movies are fantasies. Whites have their own ridiculous heroes. James Bond is absurd, but I suspect a lot of the attraction is ordinary boring white men fantasizing that they could be like that, if only for a moment. I don’t plan on seeing this movie, but I also don’t care.

  216. Talha says:
    @Dr. Krieger

    Hey Doc Krieger,

    For the record, the Arabs (and Turks) rarely did the castration, but definitely imported them like that. I get what you are saying, but the problem in Western-style slavery was in its nature. They wanted a sub-class of segregated human labor that one could grow – why buy slaves and import them all the way from Africa when one could breed them? And what kind of slaves did one want for heavy manual labor? Tough, healthy…mostly physical qualities.

    The Arabs (and Turks) used African slaves for totally different purposes (well, definitely after the Zanj Rebellion). They were more used as household labor, harem guards, government administrators (one of the reasons for eunuchs was that a eunuch governor would not go rogue since he had no progeny to pass on his domain to), soldiers…and of course concubines.

    Furthermore, the segregation along racial lines simply was not present – for instance, the fabulously wealthy king of Mali would import Turkish slaves. There were no separate facilities or schools, etc. for Black slaves – the break was more along slave-versus-free lines. So over time Blacks and their progeny were simply absorbed into the society at large.

    All of this is outlined in one of the best books written on the subject:

    https://www.amazon.com/Islams-Black-Slaves-Other-Diaspora/dp/0374527970

    This is a review of the book and summarizes the difference in Western slavery and that in the Muslim world:

    http://www.nytimes.com/books/01/03/04/reviews/010304.04hochsct.html

    Blacks would be clamoring to return in a years tops (depending on the break).

    Some would, sure. But I think they could pull themselves together if there was no option but to sink or swim. Would it be as grand as what they separated from? Likely not, but at least they would be capable of plotting out their own destinies as best they could.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Truth
  217. @Diversity Heretic

    I can’t wait. Just hope the audience in the theatre doesn’t decide to Wakanda my ass!
    Get dat cracka! Das da mufugga stole Wakanda! Cave beast!

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Twodees Partain
  218. ‘Significantly, MCU’s treatment of “Thor,” the hero based on the Northern European god, featured a multicultural Asgard with black Nordic deities. ‘

    Incredible, and all whites do, or can do, is sit there stupified, disbelieving, stewing in their juices (that is, if they have any capacity for depth of character, a more and more rare thing). I saw last year a production of the Odyssey with a half-black cast. Blacks included Telemachus (Odysseus’s son), Penelope (O’s wife) and Zeus–fortunately, I felt, (thanks for the scrap there) not Odysseus himself. Are you f—ing kidding me? Ancient Greece?? No, they’re not. But at the Q and A with some of the actors and director afterwards, nobody but nobody even seemed to notice. I too lost courage–can’t be called a hateful, unenlightened racist white m’f—er. I wonder truly if anyone of the crowd of ‘nice people’, those ones that read the Guardian and are just genuinely unaware of race, not noticed, but were bothered by this. My guess is no.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  219. @Dave Pinsen

    I suggest you go into deepest Brooklyn, Bronx or North Philly for opening night, place yourself right in the middle of the theater, and see how you feel, how the youfs treat you. Let me know if you plan to, and I’ll pray for your soul.

    • Replies: @Truth
  220. joef says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Nevertheless, I do not believe he is malicious, just very misinformed, from a lack of empirical experience in this subject matter. He overly relies on statistical analysis, which he should know better, since conclusions obtained from stats are usually based on what is focused on. Thus, it can distort the picture of showing only what you want to show about a particular subject. However, what he does not understand is believing in a particular set of statistical analysis does not protect you from real misfortune in the afro ghetto mean streets. Only two things can: either you avoid it, or you make yourself a hard target that ghetto afros are unwilling to attack (you certainly cannot depend on their mercy because none will be given). He does not understand that we do not choose to feel this way about afros; instead these are simply the times we live in, and we must react to it the best we can (anything else would just be self deception).

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  221. @Crawfurdmuir

    ‘The southern colonies attracted the younger sons of aristocratic families, doctors, lawyers and others from whom large estates provided both a livelihood and social distinction….’

    Who cares, goddamn English.

  222. Paul Kersey Death Wish X

  223. Monty James says: • Website
    @anonymous

    The aircraft pictured was flying off the Nimitz, which was commissioned in May 1975.

  224. @joef

    Probably not malicious, agreed, but the non sequitor reply he made to my observation that the old Roger Corman films were once called “blaxploitation films” just deserved no response at all. Studious ignorance is the term that comes to mind.

    • Replies: @joef
  225. Truth says:
    @Talha

    soldiers…and of course concubines.

    Female concubines, and male.

    • Replies: @Talha
  226. Truth says:
    @Father O'Hara

    I think that would be an excellent way to die, Sport; you would be sacrificing your life to prove the unzistian axiom that the mass media doesn’t cover black on white murder.

  227. Truth says:
    @daniel le mouche

    LMFAO!

    All because he has no problem with a movie that he has no interest in seeing, being made, in a free country?

    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
  228. bomag says:
    @Truth

    You’re trolling. Tax cuts and subsidies to productive industries are different from transfer payments for current consumption.

    Per household use of Medicare and SS is higher in upper income households because they paid in more and live longer, in general. It is the nature of the programs.

    So you inherit some land from your father, and can’t find a way to operate a successful business, and this is the responsibility of the taxpayer?

    I’m not a fan of the farm program, but the dirty little secret is that farming is so competitive that subsidies quickly get rolled into rents and capital expenditures. Thus the farm program helps landlords and John Deere. Plus, there is a local service agency covering every county in the country; beautiful way to make it politically untouchable. Last I checked, what commodity farmers actually cashed each year from Uncle was around six billion dollars; this is in a 500 billion dollar industry. And many farmers, such as livestock; fruit and vegetable; receive no direct subsidy (though there was some programs for them in the 2013 bill).

    And we do want low-income people, as opposed to no-income people, because low income people still have to patronize the Michelle Bachmans of the world for their products

    Valuing someone purely for their consumption doesn’t look like a good long term plan.

    • Replies: @Truth
  229. Talha says:
    @Truth

    Some of the Turks did swing that way, but they usually did not use Black slaves for that. That might have happened with some European slaves though.

    Arabs would have Black concubines more often than the Turks – and some very royal and honored families (including the Syeds and Sharifs) actually would have issues from Black concubines and this was not seen as abnormal.

    The Turks were more into European concubines.

    I’m not sure if European slaves (concubines included) ever made it down to the African empires like those of Mali and Songhai in significant numbers. They certainly had the contacts in North Africa and the gold to procure them if they wanted.

    Peace.

  230. @EliteCommInc.

    There is a book by Dr. Amity Shlaes, I think she is the author, in which she covers the history of welfare. by and large blacks are not in the picture until the 1960′s. It appears that up until that time black charity was handled by black communities, sometimes those established s far back as the Civil War and largely the work of churches and private donors. So despite being bared from economic opportunity among the dominant population. Blacks by their skills, talents and means created their own businesses as well as provided for their communities’ charities. There are two tell tale cases
    1. the denial of black farmers to get farm loans — and farming in this country has a history of leaning in such loans to start and maintain their as well as grow their businesses.
    2. depression era grants, loans and other economic opportunities. Blacks in nearly every community were cut out that distribution cycle. So Pres. Franklin’s New Deal, was a deal for primarily for whites. If the ethos around this huge government programs is any indication — that doesn’t spell well for the idea that blacks have a legacy of government welfare. They were last or nonexistent on the government check lists.

    Good analysis- much more fair-minded and perceptive than the swarms of distorters and propagandists fueled by racial animus. And you are no flaming liberal as your criticism of the welfare system attests. You are correct on several points and it should also be noted that in our current welfare system, whites, who are much richer than blacks and earn substantially more income on average, get HIGHER welfare payments in states where whites are the majority, than areas where blacks are the majority, as several studies show. DATA:

    “The percentage of African-American population had a negative effect on the average monthly grant. Therefore those states with higher African-American populations, especially the South, had lower monthly grant amounts.. Grant amounts for African- Americans in the South were significantly lower that those for whites, ranging from 7.3 percent less in Washington. D.C. to 37.6 percent less in South Carolina.”
    –Deborah Ward. 2009. The White Welfare State, p 77. 121

    and

    “To determine if the negative association between single-mother families and AFDC generosity is dependent on race, I incorporate the percentage of the population that is black into the model.. Doing so significantly improves our models in 1980 and 1990, as states with relatively large black populations have less generous AFDC payments… states with a larger percentage of black single-mother families have less generous welfare spending, while states with a larger proportion of white single-mother families offer more generous welfare spending.. These findings suggest that black and white families are granted uneven support by AFDC, or more specifically that the racial component of single parents in a state influences that state’s generosity.”
    -Marlese Durr and Shirley Hill (2006) Race, Work, and Family in the Lives of African Americans. 125-129

    In short, contrary to the bogus propaganda that so often prevails, whites are feeding quite profitably and disproportionately off the welfare rolls. They are not “giving away” anything to blacks, unless they themselves are first in line to benefit. It was so in the past (as you indicate) and so it is now. When Social Security first came in for example, white legislators from the south lobbied successfully for it to exclude domestic workers and agricultural workers, both at the time disproportionately black. They did not want black people to get a piece of the action despite much pious talk about “fairness” and “merit.”

    So called “giveaways” are laughable propaganda. Whites also gained another bonus. Since black life expectancy was significantly shorter than that of whites, even when blacks eventually became covered by Social Security, their earlier deaths would mean they paid more into the system that they would get out before they died- with the extra benefits going to longer-lived white recipients. Amity points this out in her book- The Greedy Hand. Sweet! White people never “give away” anything unless they are the primary beneficiaries.

  231. joef says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Studious ignorance is an apt phrase, for he can be very obstinate in his applying of inaccurate book learning to reality. Instead of using book learning as a supplement to personal observation, in his case he uses it as a replacement for said observations. Academic books are suppose to reflect reality, not the other way around (and if they poorly reflect an accurate description of reality, those books should be discarded as useless). Ignoring reality is a poor survival mechanism, and to do so ( just because an academic demands it) would be foolhardy.

    In the end this is why we can never correct this problem, because there are many whites who rather feel good over acknowledging the truth, and arrogantly try to convince the rest of us that we didn’t actually experience what we experienced. Thus, there will never be agreed upon solutions necessary to correct afro american dysfunctions, and the decay will just continue unabated until the end.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
  232. Truth says:
    @bomag

    You’re trolling. Tax cuts and subsidies to productive industries are different from transfer payments for current consumption.

    It’s not productive if it has to be subsidized, is it Bernie Sanders?

    • Replies: @bomag
  233. @EnriiqueCardovaa

    “White people never “give away” anything unless they are the prime beneficiaries”

    I can vividly recall, late seventies, while at Detroit Metro standing in line with my ( white mother) and a student kid, Latino, maybe nineteen, was eighty bucks short for his ticket back to the west coast so she pays it for him and he asks her for her address so he can send it back to her, and she says no thanks, and have a safe trip..

    And then while on a US army base in Germany I am in a rec room talking to the manager about setting up a blues/funk gig at the base soldiers club, and they carry a comatose black guy in and lay him on a pool table, apparently with a burst appendix, which occured on the baseball field.
    So they call the army hospital for an ambulance and are told it will take at least thirty to forty minutes for it to arrive, so I tell them put him in my car, and I proceed, flashers going, to race him in my Alfa Romeo GT to the army hosp, a good thirty KMs distance, and they are waiting for me at the emergency ramp and to this day this black, probably, ex GI has no clue as to who the white musician was, who probably saved his life on that day back in ninteen seventy five.

    You are rabid with hatred and bullshit and you simply turn my stomach, although I realize that the world is full of malicious, ignorant, stupid cretins , such as yourself.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.

  234. @Truth

    Can you even conceive of for one second abandoning your habitual ‘black is great’ schtick? Shouldn’t someone with your handle aspire to some, well, truth?

    • Replies: @Truth
  235. Truth says:
    @daniel le mouche

    LOL, dude, when did I say black was great? No, I just say, “it ain’t terrible” and on this thread I am just sticking up for a fellow libertarian. The guy has no problem with a movie studio doing what they see fit with their resources. What is your argument with that?

    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    , @joef
  236. bomag says:
    @EnriiqueCardovaa

    Good analysis- much more fair-minded and perceptive than the swarms of distorters and propagandists fueled by racial animus.

    LOL

    Thanks for noticing all the racial animus. Nice to have a pro in the house.

    Now we have to listen about welfare injustice from the 1930s. No wonder Islam banned the printing press: they realized they’d all be catatonic from the historical injustices piled up and thrust in each other’s faces.

    I’ll grant a good point is SS and life expectancy. Several times I’ve made the point that modern genetics can start to pinpoint those who likely won’t enjoy the benefits, and we could improve the program by allowing those the option of enjoying the money now. It’s a bridge too far at the moment.

  237. bomag says:
    @Truth

    It’s not productive if it has to be subsidized

    We subsidize productive industries as a way to spread the wealth and for future development: airline routes, mail service, R&D, solar power et al.

    Maybe Elon Musk is scamming us; maybe we are buying the future through him. It’s a different game than just filling EBT cards.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @EnriiqueCardovaa
  238. Nathan says:

    It’s not a double standard. This is actually what western victory looks like. Think about it. The concept of a superhero is not an African idea. The concept of media is not an African idea. The concept of movie theatres isn’t an African idea. The concept of protest is not an African idea. The concept of fiat money is not an African idea. Etc, etc.

    What you are witnessing here is the complete capture of the African American psychology. If they wanted true representation, they would forfeit all the choices presented to them – starring in movies, voting, presidencies, university access, business access – all of it. If they wanted to win, they would ignore the white, western system.

    They can’t seem to comprehend that hate and love are the same thing: it’s all just attention and action in the required direction. When you hate someone else’s rules, you are implicitly subjugating yourself to those rules. When you spend your energy on the thing you despise, that thing wins. The only – repeat – ONLY dangerous move is to ignore the system. So let them make movies. Let them vote. Let them work in business. Because movies, democracy and corporations are white, western ideas. These people are being turned into consumer/producer batteries without even realising it.

    And to top it off, they honestly think it’s an act of revolution?!?

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Truth
  239. @Father O'Hara

    I be like: Run, mane. Dey finna wakanda yo ass up in here.

  240. @daniel le mouche

    ” I wonder truly if anyone of the crowd of ‘nice people’, those ones that read the Guardian and are just genuinely unaware of race, not noticed, but were bothered by this.”

    I’d guess that people who seemed to be unbothered by the casting were pretending not to notice the race of the characters. That’s what is meant by being colorblind, at least to their minds.

  241. @Truth

    You just say ‘it ain’t terrible’–but it is. It’s really, really bad, way beyond terrible. And your second pseudo argument is beyond laughable, that the movie studios just do ‘what they see fit with their resources’. Hardy har har. It’s all just profits, innit? No attempt, however slight, at, say, mass social engineering? Making everyone hate everyone else? Or more to the point, making everyone, including ‘white people’ (there’s no such category that can lump Irish and English, Greek, Spanish and Russian into some happy cohesive group, or certainly not on the English side), hate white people. Witness the Enrique dude that the Jazzman nicely took down above, ‘whites NEVER give unless they’re the prime recipient’. A movie like this–and to a greater or lesser extent, anything out of hollywood is like this–is all about its political implications; it’s a polemic; it has an agenda, and it isn’t pretty, and it isn’t nice, and it isn’t casual, and it isn’t funny.

  242. There seems two be lines of thought here.Blacks as super heroes is fantasy and worse intended to be signifiers of black revolution —

    and blacks wren’t smart enough to come up with the idea of super heroes.

    To dumb to create them and dumb for creating them
    whites did it first.

    Look human beings the world over have embraced creations of their fellows with superhuman strength.

    I find it hard to conceive this common practice as some kind of white construct, whether its Egyptian gods and warlords, Norse men with golden locks or Asian conquerors roaming the steps.

    http://listverse.com/2013/07/18/ten-african-myths-and-legends-2/

    The more we come to grips with african history, I am confident the more we will become a customed to their legends of women man gods

  243. joef says:
    @Truth

    If you said that people like me only focus on the terrible pertaining to afro americans, well I must admit you have some truth in that. However I cannot agree with the “it ain’t terrible” statement” either. The fact that many contemporary afros are in a socially dysfunctional condition (which wasn’t always the case), addicted to unaffordable materialism (yeah, so are many whites), irresponsibly breed children without care, most of their neighborhoods are filthy, they murder others (and each other) routinely, and demand evermore welfare from a system that is already awash in unpayable debt, is by any objective criteria terrible.

    Afro american apologist, liberal panderers, and leftist manipulators, want all of us to believe that this poison, afros are ingesting, tastes good. And as afros decay from this good tasting rot, the rest of the nation declines along with you. Does all the nation have to become Detroit before you wake up? Your self destructive excuse making does not change the reality of where all this will eventually end, if this continues. There was plenty of confirmation bias excuses before the housing crash too, but it didn’t change the results. You better hope that I am wrong, because if I am correct then “Houston, we have a problem”.

  244. bomag says:
    @Nathan

    If they wanted to win, they would ignore the white, western system.

    Interesting post.

    “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.”

    But, alas, a more accurate analogy is that we are careening down a winding and ever more treacherous mountain road; the driver struggling more and more to keep things on the road. Meanwhile, one of the passengers is loudly proclaiming that they should be driving; not only should they be driving, but they really invented the automobile; in fact, this auto was really stolen from them. They own the thing! Not only are they good enough to drive, they are just as good. Nay, better; way better, ten times better, biatches! It’s pointed out that every. single. time. they have been allowed to drive in the past, the car quickly careens off a two thousand foot cliff and crashes on the rocks below. They respond with the litany that nobody is perfect; we have all sinned and fallen short of the grace of the driving gods; the current driver has made plenty of near fatal mistakes; all mistakes are equal; we are all equal, and any suggestion otherwise is the worst mistake of all; we’re all under the same dictatorship; everyone is on welfare.

    Thus the driver reluctantly starts sliding over and releasing the wheel to an eagerly grasping set of hands, while the passengers blissfully sing:

    Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
    Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
    Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya,
    O Lord, kum bay ya.

    • Replies: @Truth
  245. Truth says:
    @bomag

    Man, you guys really do live in a fantasy world. Of course your slavemasters have invested untold money, time and resources, and have enlisted the help of the Big Chief of All Things Dark in creating one for you, so this is understandable. Still, I feel sorry for you. The upcoming decade is not going to work out well.

  246. Pfff says:

    “if white people didn’t destroy it”

    Fucking pathetic Antichristian marxists and their shameless to the death lazy ass baseless blame shifting. It is beyond human comprehension.

  247. Pff says:

    ““if white people didn’t destroy it””
    Can someone confirm if the propaganda of this film promotes this belief system? If so I won’t waste my time going to watch it since I would walk out the moment I see black racist whitey blame bs.

  248. ‘I would walk out the moment I see black racist whitey blame bs.’

    I think it’s safe to say there will be one big giant f’n assload of that. And lots of mmm hmmm’s from the older black ladies and gay black gents in the audience, and of course lots of random race hate violence out in the streets afterwards. Gotta keep those fires stoked…

    • Replies: @Truth
  249. Truth says:
    @Nathan

    It’s not a double standard. This is actually what western victory looks like. Think about it. The concept of a superhero is not an African idea. The concept of media is not an African idea. The concept of movie theatres isn’t an African idea. The concept of protest is not an African idea. The concept of fiat money is not an African idea. Etc, etc.

    Well now, YOU didn’t come up with these ideas either, did you Sport? But you do utilize and live by them, don’t you Sport?

    Extrapolating this a bit wider, unless you are, by familial origin, a Central-Asian Khazar, no one who actually resembles you had much to do with these concepts either, now isn’t that correct?

    • Replies: @Nathan
    , @Talha
  250. Truth says:
    @daniel le mouche

    Well if you’re gonna pay $12, I figure you’d at least stay for a few fight scenes.

  251. Nathan says:
    @Truth

    Well now, YOU didn’t come up with these ideas either, did you Sport?

    No individual is responsible for civilization, but neither does civilization come from all individuals. There are distinct differences between certain people groups in terms of society and government. I don’t think I’m saying anything new here, especially to this crowd.

    But that’s not my point. I’m saying that with the introduction of global internet and containerization, the term “globalization” simply means “universal alignment of civilisational defaults.” In other words, there might have been different civilizations in the past, but if trends continue that may not be the case in the future. For instance, it’s not a Chinese idea to wear suits to business meetings, but they do anyway. And it’s not an African idea to live in a nation-state, but they do anyway. It’s rare to hear a Chinese or African person question these things. But they’re getting the encouragement to do these things from somewhere, they just can’t see it.

    I think what you’re seeing is a harmonization of all cultures behind the concepts and ideals of a single (Western) culture. Sure, people might retain some of their peripheral cultural traditions people, but the aspirations and default assumptions of all people are being aligned. African Americans have pieces of their own culture, but their core conceptual structure is based on Western ideas.

    This is what empire looks like. The Romans and British did the same thing as the Americans. It’s all part of the same long line of the Western dominating tradition. It works in the shadows, the unconscious and on the edges of people’s understanding. But look at how many people wear t-shirts, use iPhones, use English, respect science, drive cars, live in nation-states, use democracy, etc, etc.

    Black Panther is the tip of the iceberg, look at everything that’s hidden just beneath the surface.

    • Replies: @Talha
  252. Talha says:
    @Truth

    Well now, YOU didn’t come up with these ideas either, did you Sport?

    I think a couple of Jewish guys even came up with the idea of Superman (aka undocumented illegal immigrant).

    Ouch – that one hurt. I wonder what comic books would look like if you removed every hero that some Jewish guy came up with?

    at least stay for a few fight scenes

    Especially since it’s Black-on-Black violence.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Truth
  253. Talha says:
    @Nathan

    Good points – I would say definitely that much of the world has defaulted to the Western model on many, many things. Specifically the Anglo-Saxon flavor too.

    Peace.

  254. Truth says:
    @Talha

    Ouch – that one hurt. I wonder what comic books would look like if you removed every hero that some Jewish guy came up with?

    Comic books?

    Hell I wonder what the world would look like.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Father O'Hara
  255. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Mark T

    Also it should show white men raping eight months old girl, coz India is the rape capital of the world and rape is a core part of Indian culture.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-42869010

  256. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    You are (perhaps intentionally) missing the main difference here. No Mainstream writers feel compelled to proclaim that ‘Superman’ and ‘Spiderman’ mean that whites are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

    The desperation wrapped in idiotic black pride surrounding Black Panther arises from a profound lack of accomplishment among blacks in the real world and scraping the bottom of the barrel to have anything no matter how tenuous that supports the idea of black supremacy.

    • Agree: joef
    • Replies: @Truth
  257. Truth says:
    @Anonymous

    You are (perhaps intentionally) missing the main difference here. No Mainstream writers feel compelled to proclaim that ‘Superman’ and ‘Spiderman’ mean that whites are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

    Well in that case, Superman, being from another universe and all, why is he not puple or dark green, why did they make him a midwestern-looking white guy?

    Why didn’t Peter Parker grow to be 11′ tall and have big-bubulous outgrowths on his face when he was bitten by a radioactive spider?

    No, they looked like average white people off the street because that is EXACTLY what the writers were proclaiming.

    Sometimes you have to think a little more deeply about things, old sport.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anon
    , @Anonymous
  258. Talha says:
    @Truth

    Superman, being from another universe and all

    He has to go back.

  259. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @joef

    He’s also black.

  260. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    It’s not the concept, it’s the hype. There’s nothing outrageous about a black superhero. But “Ha ha, whitey– he’s BLACK now” is not the way to go about selling him.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Truth
  261. Truth says:
    @Anon

    No, no I would disagree. I would say that there is something outrageous about anyone who can lift a car and throw it over a building.

    Charles Blow is a paid distraction-Kikemason shill, as is this buffoon, Kersey. They are paid by the same group, to create silly arguments and distractions, the 273 comments as to the relative reality of comic-book movies should make this abundantly clear. I am not sure if either/both realizes that the other is playing for the same team;

    I am, however, sure that you don’t, although it really isn’t much of a secret anymore.

    • Replies: @Anon
  262. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    Think you swung and missed again, sport.

  263. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Carroll Price

    “It would be something like Minnesota, Iowa, Oregon, Vermont, Ohio, and isolated areas of Dixie like north Georgia and parts of Virginia (where’s there’s few blacks and almost no crime) with a little local flavor thrown in.”

    -Better yet, Eskimos here like to claim blacks are persecuted, ship ‘em all as persecuted refugees to Israel. I say give them the diversity they proclaim is so good for everyone else. Certainly few ‘evil white Gentile men’ around there to twirl their mustaches, and secretly hatch dastardly plans, and since the current inhabitants of Israel are the bestest people ever then they are certain the best suited to help their black brethren. Israel’s climate would also suit blacks much better than Minnesota or Vermont. If ‘diversity’ is so great, let’s make Israel 90% diverse.

  264. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    If 273 comments on an obscure webzine is something the Illuminati are going for I think we can take these guys. Especially what with your knowledge of their finances and all.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Truth
  265. Truth says:
    @Anon

    Well that’s nice, I think we can take these guys too. But what they are going for is deception and distraction, in the large picture, not the postage stamp you alluded to above.

    As for their finances, I got hold of their top-secret 1040 form, for 2018 last week. Below is the summation:

    Line 1: We own everything

    Line 2: You are a negligible P.O.S who owns nothing

    Line 3: You are not bright enough to realize this

    Line 4: Although you are smart enough to know that imaginary Nordic Kingdoms cant contain imaginary blacks, please send our refund check by April 15th.

  266. Truth says:
    @Anon

    Oh, so I guess you’ve seen the movie.

    Oh wait, it isn’t out yet. Scratch that.

    • Replies: @Anon
  267. @joef

    Good comment about Elite. He’s another one of the commentators who lives in his world. He has no clue about reality. Just a heads up, I’m a white girl, contra Anonymous. He’s pissed because of what I said about Caucasian RCC/Zioevangizer/gentile Freemason males. Most of these anon characters can’t handle the truth.

  268. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @bomag

    Small independent farmers couldn’t set their own prices, which is why it was such an unprofitable business for decades.

    But the farmers were productive. They produced food.

  269. Malla says:
    @Orwellian State

    I guess they too want to survive a flight.

    LOL.
    How many kind compassionate ‘refugee rights’ supporting Senators, Congressmen and MPs (in Britain) allow those ‘gifted’ refugees into their own neighbourhoods?

  270. Malla says:
    @Orwellian State

    Someone should drop such leaflets on blacks living in USA and Europe (as well as those crossing the Mediterranean sea right now). Maybe distribute ‘I am goin back to Africa permanently to use my great talents to turn it into Wakanda and I will take one SJW Whitey with me’ T shirts outside the movie theaters. I hope this works. Fingers crossed.

    Besides White SJWs could be inspired to go permanently too to ‘understand the issues and make a difference’.

  271. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    ???

    Okay, now I’m starting to wonder whether you’re one of them. See, if you were what you say you are, you’d say , presumably, something like “Yeah, the hate-whitey stuff is pretty stupid. But the hate-blackie stuff isn’t by any measure an improvement. Let’s go kick some Illuminati rear ends.” But instead you come at me with this sort of bizarre sophistry which makes me mildly annoyed and causes me to waste several minutes of my leisure time. Which is, surely, exactly what they want?

    • Replies: @Truth
  272. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Well, Odin and Thor are real in a sense. Get AaronB to explain it to you sometime.

    That the idea that making one of them black is absurd is true– but it really doesn’t compare to the absurdity of putting them into a comic book to begin with.

    • Replies: @Malla
  273. Talha says:

    Well, Odin and Thor are real in a sense.

    Sure, and the stick figure drawing of me that my son made not to long ago is also real – in a sense.

    but it really doesn’t compare to the absurdity of putting them into a comic book to begin with

    Comic books are the realm of absurdity – ever hear of Eastman & Laird’s creation?
    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Malla
  274. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Your son’s stick figure is a key player in the foundational myth of some society? Like George Washington’s cherry tree? (Like I said, ask AaronB; he likes long comments).

    I’m not actually offended at Odin and Thor being in some silly movie I’ve never seen, it simply strikes me as idiotic on a level the ninja-turtles could not reach unless they pretended they actually were Renaissance artists reincarnated or something (they don’t, do they?).

    On the other hand, is Night Life of the Gods equally wrongheaded? I tend to think not.
    “Why not?” is an interesting exercise.

    • Replies: @Talha
  275. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Your son’s stick figure is a key player in the foundational myth of some society?

    Yes, in a secret society of little kids with chubby cheeks. I am allowed in once in a while to tickle the residents.

    they don’t, do they?

    No, they are too busy fighting aliens that look like triceratops and time travelling and hanging out with a barbarian aardvark and a samurai rabbit:

    Look, I simply don’t take comic books seriously. I read a bunch of them when I was a kid and they were all over the place. I don’t know why other people take them so seriously.

    This film sounds like “bread and circus” to me.

    Peace.

  276. Malla says:
    @Talha

    Sure, and the stick figure drawing of me that my son made not to long ago is also real – in a sense.

    Why can they not be real? You are Muslim and do not believe in pagan Gods, do not worship idols (worship Allah the creator alone, not his creation of mud, wood and stone, concept of Islam), I understand that. But for pagans such spiritual entities were real as Allah is real to you. Goddess Amaterasu is real to a Shinto and Goddess Laxmi is real to a Hindu and various Loas are real to a Voodoo practitioner.

    I wonder if you admiration of Persia extends to it’s pre Islamic Zoroastrian period.

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/01/19/odin-odinn-and-mazda-the-supreme-ahura-of-zoroastrianism/

    Odin, Óðinn and Mazda, the supreme Ahura of Zoroastrianism

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/07/13/avestan-airyaman-irmin-got-as-a-name-of-odin-and-the-irish-eremon/

    Avestan Airyaman, Irmin-got as a name of Odin and the Irish Éremón

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2017/06/12/rune-thurisaz-frost-giants-and-the-severe-cosmic-winter-in-zoroastrianism/

    Rune Thurisaz, Frost Giants, and the severe cosmic winter in Zoroastrianism

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2017/07/11/ahura-mazda-as-the-giver-of-gifts-odins-rune-gebo-and-the-virtue-of-responsible-generosity-and-giving/

    Ahura Mazda as the Giver of Gifts, Odin’s rune Gebo, and the virtue of responsible generosity and giving

    Besides, ignoring the spiritual aspects of things, Thor and Odin were Gods worshiped by millions in ancient times unlike Superman, Batman, Captain America or the Wakanda Kingdom.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Talha
  277. Truth says:
    @Malla

    Besides, ignoring the spiritual aspects of things, Thor and Odin were Gods worshiped by millions in ancient times unlike Superman, Batman, Captain America or the Wakanda Kingdom.

    Exodus 20:4-6

    1 Corinthians 10:14

    • Replies: @Malla
  278. Talha says:
    @Malla

    Why can they not be real?

    Malla, c’mon bro – you’re asking a Muslim why pagan deities can’t be real? Why can’t the flying spaghetti monster be real? Maybe I think I’m Napoleon – why can’t I be Napoleon? If I think kittens are magical beings that bring good luck and I really, really believe that – does it make it so? Do people in our post-atomic age take this stuff seriously? Did these physical hominid manifestations kick off the Big Bang or were part of it? Did they decide as a committee when or was it settled by arm-wrestling? And they are White – despite the fact that most people in the world aren’t; did they create everybody or just White people? And what about the various African pantheons did they create Blacks, but not Whites?

    I mean, I understand people in some village in India or Zaire, but someone in Zurich…

    I wonder if you admiration of Persia extends to it’s pre Islamic Zoroastrian period.

    Parts of it, sure. Other parts – not so much.

    Thor and Odin were Gods worshiped by millions in ancient times unlike Superman, Batman, Captain America or the Wakanda Kingdom.

    Superman, Batman and others basically serve the same purpose as the Norse deities of the past. Superhumans flying around with super powers.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  279. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Exodus 20:4-6

    1 Corinthians 10:14

    I am no expert in the bible. Pray help me in this department if you are interested to help.

    As far as the video, not the same type of worship. Try explaining to an Imam in Saudi Arabia how worship of Allah is similar to a comicon type of worship. It will be fun.

    • Replies: @Truth
  280. Malla says:
    @Talha

    What you just wrote can be insulting to a billion Hindus in India or a hundred million Shinto in Japan.

    you’re asking a Muslim why pagan deities can’t be real?

    I have already explained that from an Islamic perspective, you may not believe in such pagan deities but from a pagan perspective they were real as Allah is real to you.

    I mean, I understand people in some village in India

    That is very idiotic of you and shows your ignorance. Highly educated Hindus go to temples and believe in such pagan Gods, it is not only village people. Well you are aware of Srinivasa Ramanujan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan

    Though he had almost no formal training in pure mathematics, he made substantial contributions to mathematical analysis, number theory, infinite series, and continued fractions, including solutions to mathematical problems considered to be unsolvable. Ramanujan initially developed his own mathematical research in isolation; it was quickly recognized by Indian mathematicians. Seeking mathematicians who could better understand his work, in 1913 he began a postal partnership with the English mathematician G. H. Hardy at the University of Cambridge, England. Recognizing the extraordinary work sent to him as samples, Hardy arranged travel for Ramanujan to Cambridge. In his notes, Ramanujan had produced groundbreaking new theorems, including some that Hardy stated had “defeated [him and his colleagues] completely”, in addition to rediscovering recently proven but highly advanced results.

    During his short life, Ramanujan independently compiled nearly 3,900 results (mostly identities and equations).

    A deeply religious Hindu,[8] Ramanujan credited his substantial mathematical capacities to divinity, and stated that the mathematical knowledge he displayed was revealed to him by his family goddess. “An equation for me has no meaning,” he once said, “unless it expresses a thought of God.”[9]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namagiri_Thayar

    Srinivasa Ramanujan credits his mathematical findings to the Goddess of Namagiri. According to Ramanujan, she appeared to him in visions, proposing mathematical formulae that he would then have to verify. One such event was described by him as follows:

    While asleep, I had an unusual experience. There was a red screen formed by flowing blood, as it were. I was observing it. Suddenly a hand began to write on the screen. I became all attention. That hand wrote a number of elliptic integrals. They stuck to my mind. As soon as I woke up, I committed them to writing.[2]

    Well a person who was responsible for 3900 mathematical results is not ignorant village folk if you ask me.

    Superman, Batman and others basically serve the same purpose as the Norse deities of the past. Superhumans flying around with super powers.

    From an atheist perspective, so does Mohammed’s flight to the seven heavens.

    For example how do you know Allah exists? How do you know Mohamed is his messenger?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
  281. Truth says:
    @Malla

    Well it is very simple. The elites create false Gods for man to worship, and have for many centuries. If you are spending your hard earned money to go see movies, buy costumes, comic books, and quoting the films, you are worshipping a false Idol. When you go to the theatre to see Superman XVIII you are showing your allegience to a flying, all-powerful deity.

    And that is intentional.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Father O'Hara
  282. Malla says:
    @Talha

    Malla, c’mon bro – you’re asking a Muslim why pagan deities can’t be real?

    Let’s reframe this as ‘c’mon bro – you’re asking an atheist why Allah can’t be real?’

    If I think kittens are magical beings that bring good luck and I really, really believe that – does it make it so?

    Let’s reframe this as ‘If some believe that the Koran is the word of God, does it make it so?’

    Do people in our post-atomic age take this stuff seriously?

    Likewise.

    I mean, I understand people in some village in India or Zaire, but someone in Zurich…

    Let’s reframe this as ‘I mean I understand people in some village in Turkey or Mali but someone in Zurich….’

    Peace

    • Replies: @Talha
  283. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    I’m sorry, I don’t speak comickese. Care to translate?

    • Replies: @Truth
  284. Malla says:
    @Truth

    The elites create false Gods for man to worship, and have for many centuries.

    That can be true but that could be true for all religions including Christianity, Buddhism and Islam. I agree, elites have done this in the past, religions have been used to control the masses. Actually any ideology such as even atheist communism have been used to control masses.
    But there is a possibility of a spiritual world parallel to our material world. And there are ways to contact such spiritual entities in the spiritual world. I mean that is a theory of spirituality. Is it true or just mere superstition, I cannot tell.

    If you are spending your hard earned money to go see movies, buy costumes, comic books, and quoting the films, you are worshiping a false Idol.

    What you say is true if done in excess. People may watch movies for mere entertainment for example, to escape from the real world for a couple of hours. Cosmetics, women buy cosmetics to attract the opposite gender and to make other women jealous.
    I agree with you in general, this tendency towards our innate desire to worship false idols makes some people a lot of $$$$.

    When you go to the theatre to see Superman XVIII you are showing your allegiance to a flying, all-powerful deity.

    And that is intentional.

    I will agree with that.

  285. Malla says:
    @Talha

    Sorry I was a bit harsh in my earlier posts.

    Superman, Batman and others basically serve the same purpose as the Norse deities of the past. Superhumans flying around with super powers.

    Well you do have a point there. Maybe humans have such desires for superheroes, superheroes on whom they can project their own desires to be superheroes. Maybe Pagan gods of the past (Norse, Hindu, Egyptian, African, Native American, Greek etc…) satisfied this desire and superheroes satisfy these desires in humans today.
    From an Islamic perspective, such pagan entities could have been jins and humans worshiped these jins which is wrong. OR it could be Allah sent messengers to many nations and they told the people to worship only the one God Allah, but humans instead started worshiping those messengers as Gods instead.

    Those are possibilities. I am open to all possibilities. I am just certain of nothing.

  286. Talha says:

    Sorry I was a bit harsh in my earlier posts.

    I probably deserved it – I did answer kind of like a jerk.

    From an Islamic perspective, such pagan entities could have been jins and humans worshiped these jins which is wrong. OR it could be Allah sent messengers to many nations and they told the people to worship only the one God Allah, but humans instead started worshiping those messengers as Gods instead.

    Actually, you hit the nail on the head fairly precisely.

    As far as we believe; all messengers and prophets were sent with transcendental monotheism, but people kept on inserting stuff into it after a while. It is interesting to take the Arabs of the Hijaz as an example. According to Islamic tradition, they are descendants of Ishmael (pbuh) who was obviously a monotheist. Eventually though, over time, polytheism crept into their belief. The pagan Arabs still believed in Allah (that was never an issue), they simply also added a bunch of other deities to worship alongside of Him and gave them a share in His sovereignty; so now you went to this one for children or this one for rain or this one for…

    You have to keep in mind, Islam (as we know it) springs out of a pagan milieu, so this is something it is has tackled from inception. The Hindu form is unique because, once you remove the pagan layers of belief, underneath it has some very serious and deep spiritual practices which are quite impressive. Especially to a Sufi.

    There is an interesting quote from an old Greek philosopher which always hits me when I come across anthropomorphic expressions of deities:
    “The Ethiops say that their gods are flat-nosed and black,
    While the Thracians say that theirs have blue eyes and red hair.
    Yet if cattle or horses or lions had hands and could draw,
    And could sculpt like men, then the horses would draw their gods
    Like horses, and cattle like cattle; and each they would shape
    Bodies of gods in the likeness, each kind, of their own.”
    ― Xenophanes

    Much of what I said is really recycling what he said.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Malla
  287. Malla says:
    @Anon

    Well, Odin and Thor are real in a sense. Get AaronB to explain it to you sometime.

    I would be very interested in this. If AaronB is around and reading this, I would like him to take the efforts.
    I have always been interested in the fascinating relationships among the various Aryan pantheons of old. Persian, Norse-Germanic-Anglo Saxon, Slavic, Celtic, Baltic, Dacian, Greeco-Roman, Hittite and Vedic Indian. This topic is vast in itself.

  288. Talha says:
    @Malla

    Hey Malla,

    What you just wrote can be insulting to a billion Hindus in India or a hundred million Shinto in Japan.

    Yeah – you’re right; I was unnecessarily abrasive. Should have been better with my words.

    Good points about the Hindu mathematicians. Imam al-Biruni (ra) was also impressed by various Hindu mathematicians of his time.

    He believed it was a family goddess, others would be forgiven for believing he was simply having very vivid dreams. Now, I actually have a Hindu co-worker (fellow manager in IT) who goes to temples and does the rituals and stuff. I asked him if he believes in any of it from a serious perspective – like does he really believe in those deities as an ontological reality. He said no – he simply does it out of cultural affinity. What do you think will happen to his kids.

    From an atheist perspective, so does Mohammed’s flight to the seven heavens.

    Sure – no problems here – they deny anything out of the realm of empirical provable. They can deny angels also. They have to switch frameworks first.

    For example how do you know Allah exists?

    Makes the most sense to me given what we know about the universe. The belief doesn’t suffer from the same issues that anthropomorphic beliefs do. For instance, we are certain there were no humans on planet earth at some point – all humans agree (unless you know of some that don’t). Well, did these humanoid deities predate human beings? How? Conceptually, it begs a lot of questions. Believing a single deity that transcends the created universe is just a much easier sell. Then you have the issue of what exactly is a “god” – many of the Hindu gods simply would not meet the criteria for God as Islam demands since they have a birth or weaknesses, etc. In that sense, they truly are a lot like comic-book super heroes.

    How do you know Mohamed is his messenger?

    Again – the man was a historic phenomenon. One must reconcile what happened and what it means – does one believe the Divine communicates with human beings, most people have no problem with this. They differ on who was communicated with. To me, it requires the least leap of faiths based on the evidence at hand. One can say; well I don’t believe the evidence at hand – which is fine, but that is a discussion of epistemology.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Malla
  289. Talha says:
    @Malla

    Hey Malla,

    I actually don’t worry much about atheists. You can’t convince a person who demands observable, empirical evidence for a deity. Their framework is enclosed – it is self-limiting and they have chosen to make it so. It is built on a belief that nothing exists that cannot be observed. That is fine, but then they come up with things like multi-verse and things that are also not observable, in order to answer certain questions.

    I actually don’t care to argue about belief with people. Doesn’t get very far. Because a lot of it is what appeals to a person’s heart; very difficult to gauge. You can point out inconsistencies in a belief, sure, but that simply creates doubt in someone, but doesn’t necessarily convince one to switch sides.

    The belief in Islam is a funny thing – it made a bold claim 14 centuries ago (among other bold claims) – fairly bold for something coming out of the unknown deserts of Arabia:
    “It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.” (48:28)

    I guess we’ll see if it happens, eh? It is certainly on track to grab the crown from Christianity as far as followers is concerned.

    Peace.

  290. Truth says:
    @Anon

    Oh Bro, it’s just that you and the rest of these meddling kids foiled my insidious plot to takeover the world!

    But’s it’s all good, we’ll try it again next Saturday moring.

  291. Malla says:
    @Talha

    As far as we believe; all messengers and prophets were sent with transcendental monotheism, but people kept on inserting stuff into it after a while. It is interesting to take the Arabs of the Hijaz as an example. According to Islamic tradition, they are descendants of Ishmael (pbuh) who was obviously a monotheist. Eventually though, over time, polytheism crept into their belief.

    Yup that is one possibility. Logically quite sound. However how do we not know that Odin was not one such prophet? After all Lord Odin was the bringer of knowledge of the nine worlds, after he hung himself on Yggdrasil. And maybe his message was Islam but with time, people started worshiping him just like if people would make idols of Prophet Mohammed and worship him. Loads of possibilities.

    The Hindu form is unique because, once you remove the pagan layers of belief, underneath it has some very serious and deep spiritual practices which are quite impressive.

    There is a bit of difference between Hinduism and say Christianity/Islam on the other hand. In Christianity/Islam God though is all seeing and all knowing is still separate from his creation, this universe. But in Hinduism, God is literally the soul of the Universe (Paramatma) and is one with the universe.
    Anyways there is a lot of evidence that the most ancient kind of Hinduism, Vedic Hinduism has common origins with Zoroastrianism and most pagan European religions including that of the Norse. Not only that, Aryan religions had a massive influence on the Abrahamic faiths as the Jews were highly influenced by Zoroastrianism when they were under Persian rule of Cyrus in Babylon.

  292. Malla says:
    @Talha

    He believed it was a family goddess, others would be forgiven for believing he was simply having very vivid dreams.

    Yes true, it is possible it was his imagination which he seriously believed.

    He said no – he simply does it out of cultural affinity. What do you think will happen to his kids.

    That is true for many Hindus but not all.

    The belief doesn’t suffer from the same issues that anthropomorphic beliefs do. For instance, we are certain there were no humans on planet earth at some point – all humans agree (unless you know of some that don’t). Well, did these humanoid deities predate human beings? How? Conceptually, it begs a lot of questions. Believing a single deity that transcends the created universe is just a much easier sell. Then you have the issue of what exactly is a “god” – many of the Hindu gods simply would not meet the criteria for God as Islam demands since they have a birth or weaknesses, etc.

    Very true. The concept of Allah as THE ONE GOD has many advantages over pagan Gods who had their own petty jealousies and births and deaths. One could say the same about Christianity however Muslims have a problem with the concept of trinity (father, son and holy spirit) and God having a son. Arian Christianity had the same problem with the trinity concept of the Catholic/Orthodox Church. (Protestantism had not come out yet). There are many such theories of Arian Christianity as a precursor to Islam.

    In that sense, they truly are a lot like comic-book super heroes.

    In a sense yes. However I had this interesting discussion with a Haitian guy (who was deep into Voodoo) whom I met in Brazil. He seemed to have an interest in Hinduism (as well as other forms of paganism including Norse) and he spoke English well and we had some talk about these subjects. He told me something which was quite interesting.
    According to him God exists (THE GOD like Allah) but also does not exist for practical purposes. GOD is too busy running the Universe to listen and care for our petty problems on tiny planet Earth. So thus there are other spiritual beings who are much closer to us and thus can solve our problems and answer our prayers. He was talking about a ‘curtain’ in between the material world and the spiritual world. This ‘curtain’ in between the material world and spiritual world is something told to me by Hindu Sage as well as a Norwegian guy who was into Aastru (Norse paganism). Strange, very similar concept.
    So when the guy Anon says that Odin and Thor are real, he means there are spiritual entities Odin and Thor in the spiritual realm even now. It was the black voodoo guy I met in Brazil who told me that playing around with spiritual entities like Thor in comic books and movies is not a very good idea.
    Anyways all I have written above are just possibilities and may not be really true 100%, but may be true too. Who knows.

    I think the concept of angels is an attempt by monotheistic religions like Islam and Christianity to accommodate these concepts of lessor spiritual beings in between THE GOD and us, this place was taken up in pagan religions by lessor Gods.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    , @Talha
  293. @Malla

    Malla, is there any part of the Indian subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Bangla) that produces goodlooking, well-built people? One of my coworkers claims that the northwestern parts of the subcontinent have lots of attractie people.

    • Replies: @Malla
  294. Malla says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    He is quite correct.
    Northwest India (states of Kashmir, Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh), nation of Pakistan is where it is at. People there are better looking on average than the rest of the subcontinent, have more Caucasian facial features, more well built. Pakistan’s North West Frontier region which borders Afghanistan has a lot of those Pastuns/ Pathans (remember Sharbat Gula the green eyed Afghan girl) as well as many good looking and interesting ethnic groups (But not a place to pick up girls, very conservative tough ass people with guns).

    You can get good looking people (who are a tiny tiny minority in the population) throughout the subcontinent. But as a rule, upper castes like Brahmins and others, tend to be better looking, have more lighter skinned people with more Caucasoid facial features than the general population around them.

    If you are into the Mongoloid look, you can get good looking people in the North East Zone which borders Tibet/China. Indian states of Sikkim, Ladakh area of Kashmir, Arunachal Pradesh, Nagaland, Mizoram, Manipur etc…, the hilly half of Nepal and the country of Bhutan. In Nepal you do get some good Caucasoid-Mongoloid combos in the mountain half of the country. Some say that is what Gautam Buddha looked like.

    But you will get far more attractive people per capita in Iran than any part of the Indian subcontinent (with the exception of maybe Bhutan).

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  295. Warner says:

    I think this makes it a perfect time for President Trump to announce that all aid to Africa is to be immediately withdrawn as unnecessary.

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  296. Talha says:
    @Malla

    Hey Malla,

    However how do we not know that Odin was not one such prophet?

    This is interesting. In the Qur’an it states:
    “And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], ‘Worship God and avoid evil” And among them were those whom God guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of those that denied.” (16:36)

    “Verily! We have sent you with the truth, a bearer of glad tidings, and a warner. And there never was a nation but a warner had passed among them.” (35:24)

    So we as Muslims acknowledge that every people was sent guidance via a messenger, we just don’t know how many or how successful they were. Was Odin the name of a real person, but then all these ideas about him arose centuries later? Definitely possible, wouldn’t have been the first time; as you said, loads of possibilities.

    But in Hinduism, God is literally the soul of the Universe (Paramatma) and is one with the universe.

    I wasn’t sure about that position of Hinduism, of pantheism – but, yes that would be different from the position of Islam. The position of Christianity is similar to Islam, but I think they make an exception for Jesus (pbuh). After all, I have read that some Hindus simply consider him to be another avatar in a long line:
    “Jesus was one of those people who appealed from heart to heart, and that’s what makes him such a good Hindu Saint. In my particular tradition, and among other Hindus, He is seen as much more, as an Avatar, specifically a Shaktavesha Avatar or an empowered incarnation.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/beliefs/jesus_1.shtml

    I think the one hurdle in pantheism is again due to modern science – particularly the issue of the origin of the universe in the Big Bang. If the universe itself had an origin, how can it be congruent with a pre-eternal Being that has no origin? In what sense are they identical – just some questions.

    There are many such theories of Arian Christianity as a precursor to Islam.

    I have indeed seen these and I can definitely see the logic in the assumption, but there is just lack of evidence, it’s very speculative. Now, I can definitely see that if one rejects the Divine origin of Islam, then one has to figure out where exactly the doctrines came from; Arianism is one possibility, though Islam breaks with even that on many theological points.

    GOD is too busy running the Universe to listen and care for our petty problems on tiny planet Earth.

    This concept of “too busy” also doesn’t work for us. It implies a weakness, it is a projection of human frailties and limitations. For us, the entire universe is subsumed by His willing it into being for each moment of its existence down to the minute detail. In the gradation of existence, we have wajib al-wujud (necessary being) which belongs to God alone and contingent being (contingent upon His will), which is what anything besides him belongs in. He is Real, everything else is real insofar as He wills it into being – if He was to remove “attention” for a moment, it simply ceases to exist since it has no self-referential quiddity.

    I think the concept of angels is an attempt by monotheistic religions like Islam and Christianity to accommodate these concepts of lessor spiritual beings in between THE GOD and us, this place was taken up in pagan religions by lessor Gods.

    Good point. For us, angels kind of fit that role, they have specific tasks and what not – like the angel of death, etc. Again, this goes back to the above point, that even they have no power alone and are in utter dependence on Him for mere existence. It is interesting – there is a scene that is described in hadith that takes places before Judgement Day. God had laid to waste everything in existence and only four angels are left. He tells the Angel of Death to take the souls of the others one after the other. Then He commands him to take his own soul. At this point, there is nothing alive besides Him. He then calls out; “To Whom does dominion belong this day?” Nothing answers…and no one knows how long passes, eons maybe (if time even means anything at this point) and then He answers Himself since there is no one to reply; “To Allah, the One, the Conqueror.” Then He brings everyone back into existence to begin judgement.

    You have a lot of good insights here, because that was indeed one of the charges against the pagan Arabs in the Qur’an is not only them taking angels for worship, but them insisting that they were females (since angels don’t have a gender) and were the daughters of God.

    Pakistan’s North West Frontier region which borders Afghanistan has a lot of those Pastuns/ Pathans (remember Sharbat Gula the green eyed Afghan girl)

    Had dinner at a friend’s house last night. He mentioned a recent trip to Pakistan where he went to the northern areas; reported plenty of people with blond hair and blue/green eyes – not the majority by any means, but quite a few.

    Peace.

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  297. @Truth

    Some poster a while back mentioned a cult sci fi book written by a white “goyim”,about a man of super strength very much like Superman. No doubt the Jew kids read the book and from it “created” Supie.

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  298. Talha says:

    Wasn’t that “Thus Spoke Super Zarathustra”?

  299. Truth says:
    @Malla

    But as a rule, upper castes like Brahmins and others, tend to be better looking, have more lighter skinned people with more Caucasoid facial features than the general population around them.

    I don’t know, Bro, I’ve heard that South Indian Brahmins are less attractive and much darker than low-IQ North Indian commoners.

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  300. Zach says:

    Perhaps The Black Panther film is the last of its kind. In case you didn’t know “America is on the verge of #Blaxit – a mass exodus of black people. Where we will go I don’t know, but it’s clear that black lives don’t matter here.” This film, the NFL, and Beyonce could soon be gone, according to this author.

    http://thesaltcollective.org/6936-2/

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  301. annamaria says:
    @Warner

    He shoud start with terminating the US weaponry deliveries to Yemen.

  302. Talha says:
    @Truth

    When just your charity in giving out gold crashes local economies that you pass through…you da man!!!

    Peace.

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  303. @Malla

    How do these northwestern parts compare to what we have in America and other Western countries?

    According to this survey, best looking Pakistanis are Kashmiri speakers. Second best are the Pashtuns.

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/136695/55-pakistanis-believe-kashmiris-pathans-best-looking/

    But you will get far more attractive people per capita in Iran than any part of the Indian subcontinent

    So physical appearance is sort of on a continuum in Southern Asia? Iranians&Bhutanese>Brahmins&Pakistanis&Northwestern Indians>Central Indians>Southern Indians.

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  304. Truth says:
    @Talha

    Richest man who ever lived, according to many.

  305. joef says:
    @Zach

    a mass exodus of black people

    That will probably benefit everyone involved (except for the unfortunate African nation that receives them). [Many craven leftist will probably off themselves in the process, for having no afros to pander to, so I suggest they leave with them.]
    Despite removing their mass freeloading, the damage of all their past economic burdens will probably make it too late to reverse our looming national bankruptcy (we are approaching the edge of the tipping point now); but at least the racial balkanization component, with afro americans, will be removed. My only fear is once afro americans arrive at their new destination, and they don’t get endless welfare, and afro american bad behavior is not tolerated in their new host country, they will want to come back (but will still show no appreciation, or abatement of animosity, when that happens).

  306. Malla says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    So physical appearance is sort of on a continuum in Southern Asia? Iranians&Bhutanese>Brahmins&Pakistanis&Northwestern Indians>Central Indians>Southern Indians.

    Exactly, very true as far as average looks of people. More North West you go into the subcontinent towards Iran, more Caucasoid the people look on average, more North East you go, more Mongoloid the people look. More South you go, more Australoid the people look. But you get Caucasoid looking people in the South and Australoid people in the North too. It is a big mix.
    And skin colour may not always go with facial features. You get people who look just like Europeans with dark skin and you have people who look like African Americans with straight hair. It is all a mix. There are a lot of dark skinned people who are attractive too (with good facial features) but Bollywood and the public prefer lighter skinned Euro looking celebs for a number of reasons. Strangely it is western media who give a chance to more darker skinned Indians like Freida Pinto in Slumdog Millionaire. Many White guys marry more darker skinned Indian women, darker than the taste of most Indian men (in what they would prefer).

  307. Malla says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    According to this survey, best looking Pakistanis are Kashmiri speakers. Second best are the Pashtuns.

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/136695/55-pakistanis-believe-kashmiris-pathans-best-looking/

    Sounds about right to me.

  308. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Bro, I’ve heard that South Indian Brahmins are less attractive and much darker than low-IQ North Indian commoners.

    That is correct but South Indian Brahmins are more Caucasoid/lighter skinned on average than the typical South Indian commoner around them. Same with other South Indian upper castes like the Nayars. People in the South are on average less Caucasoid than people of the North anyways. Amongst Brahmins you get dark skinned people in the north as well. But ON AVERAGE they (and other upper castes) have more Caucasoid looks than the PEOPLE AROUND THEM. You have to go to a marriage of upper caste people and observe the people and then to a marriage of lower caste people and observe the people around you to get this. We are all mixed. India is more like Brazil and less like South Africa.

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  309. Malla says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Yes, It is a continuam.
    I would put it more accurately
    ON AVERAGE for looks
    Iranians, Afghans, Pakistani North West, Kashmiri (All Caucasoid looking North West subcontinentals) & Bhutanese, Sikkimese, Arunachal Pradeshis (Mongoloid looking North East subcontinentals)>
    Punjabis, Sindhis, Jatts/Haryanvis, Himachal Pradeshi Hill people (North Western Caucasoids but more into the interior of the subcontinent) & other North East Indian Mongoloids>
    Rajastanis/Marwaris, Gujratis, Marathis, Indian Bengalis/Bangladeshis, people living near the plains of the Ganges like Biharis (these are all people in the middle zone)>
    South Indians (Tamils, Kanadas) & Sinhalese of Sri Lanka.
    Malayalees (from the Southern state of Kerala) are South Indians too but I would place them in the middle Zone as many Malayalese look very Caucasoid for some reason, more than other South Indians around them.

    Again the above list is ON AVERAGE, there are good looking people in the South too and and many ugly folks in the North too. But as a percentage more people will be attractive in Kashmir than in a southern state.
    And in all of the above, upper castes on average tend to be more attractive than the lower castes.

  310. Talha says:
    @Malla

    We are all mixed. India is more like Brazil and less like South Africa.

    Excellent analogy, and I would agree based even on my interactions with many Indian Muslims – all over the place as far as looks.

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  311. Malla says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    How do these northwestern parts compare to what we have in America and other Western countries?

    In looks compared to Whites?
    Iranians, Kashmiris and Pathans can be comparable to Whites in some ways, few of these Caucasoids have looks which may even surpass most Whites if you ask me. Bhutanese, Ladakhis, Sikkimese Bhutias/Lepchas (the original peoples of Sikkim) and other ethnic groups bordering Tibet/China are comparable to North East Asians up to an extent, but they definitely have a South Asian component in their looks as compared to say Korean or Japanese people.

    The rest as compared to western women, not much. But at the end beauty is a personal preference so I cannot comment about the taste of others.

    But in femininity, women in the subcontinent have not been spoiled by feminism yet. But we are getting there fast. I think our women will be worse than Western Northern Euro White women when modernization/feminism completes it’s course. It was traditional culture which was suppressing some of the natural bitchiness/gold diggery of our women (they can be considered similar to Jewish, Armenian, Arab women in this respect). But women from the North East are not so bitchy by nature as they have a lot of Mongoloid DNA in them. But at the end it depends on women to women. There are many exceptions, many Indian women who are naturally nice and kind. So depends.

    In physical strength, again Kashmiris, Pathans etc… tend to be more well built and physically stronger followed by Punjabis (which includes Sikhs), Jatts. That is why most of these ethnic groups from the North West (along with Gurkhas from Nepal) were more common in the British Raj Army if compared to Indians from the rest of the subcontinent.

    Nikki Hailey is a Sikh/Jatt for example.

    In the Indian subcontinent strangely, it is the Caucasoid lighter skinned people who are bigger and stronger (and thus dominate sports and military ranks) than the darker populations of the South. Same with Mongoloid Indians from the North East who do well in the military too. I suspect it must be because the black component in the Indian subcontinent is more closely related Australoids/Papuans than Africans.

  312. Malla says:
    @Talha

    After all, I have read that some Hindus simply consider him to be another avatar in a long line:

    Yes, many Hindus might consider Jesus Christ as a Hindu avatar just like how they consider Buddha as an avatar of Vishnu. Some consider this proof of the tolerance of the Hindu faith. That is true upto an extent. But sometimes these tactics are used by Hinduism to absorb and digest it’s rival faith. Hinduism tends to fight it’s rival like an amoeba, absorbs and digests it.

    I think the one hurdle in pantheism is again due to modern science – particularly the issue of the origin of the universe in the Big Bang. If the universe itself had an origin, how can it be congruent with a pre-eternal Being that has no origin? In what sense are they identical – just some questions.

    Yes you are right. But in Hinduism there is a concept of a primordial soul (Nirguan Brahmana) which is formless and has not qualities, positive or negative. The Gods are forms that soul takes in human or animal shape to come and contact us. I think this concept came much later in Hinduism. Even the Gods of other pagan cultures might be considered this supreme soul taking various forms. That way many pagan deities were combined to form new deities.
    For example Shiva, a major god is a Hinduism is most probably a synthetic of a Tibetan Bon religion (pre Buddhist pagan religion of Tibet) diety (the name Shiva/Shiba comes from the Mongoloid Kirata people bordering Tibet and Shiva’s abode Mount Kailash is in Tibet, a place holy to Bon and Lama Buddhism too), Pashupati of Indus valley and Rudra, a Vedic God from the vedas. Rudra was worshiped in Persia as well as well as by the Hitites.
    Strangely Shiva is very similar to Dionysus of the Greeks. As Alexander the Great said when he came to India that the Indians worship Dionysus but call him Shiva. Again strangely Cernunnos, a Celtic God is very similar to Greek Dionysus.
    You can say, Shiva is Hindu ‘Cernunnos’. Now I told you how Shiva is partly descended from Lord Pashupati of the Pashupati seal found in Mohenjadaro site of the Ancient Indus valley civilization.

    Compare the above to the depiction of Cernunnos on the Gundestrup Cauldron found in Germany.

    Talk about strange similarities or what.

    So a Hindu can say that the same spiritual soul took various forms in many places. In India he took the form of Shiva, Pashupati and in Europe Dionysus and Cernunnos.
    This concept was used to mix and absorb various pagan religions and gods into a common pantheon. That way Hinduism formed near the Ganges initially by a mixture of various Aryan Vedic, mehlua and even Kirata/ Tibetan concepts could go throughout the subcontinent absorbing the pantheons of the tribal nations to the South, the primitive Gods of the tribals became avatars and forms of Hindu Gods and those tribals were absorbed into Hindu society. If the tribals resisted, their gods and kings became demons in Indian mythology (such as demon Mahisasura). It further went and similarly spread into South East Asia all the way to Indonesia by absorbing their religions into the combined mix max. This same concept came in handy for absorbing the Central Asians and Greeks who continuously came and conquered India. They and their pantheons (which was similar to Vedic culture anyways) were just absorbed. Thus you see coins of the Indo Greek kingdoms with either Hindu Gods on one side and Greek gods on the other or Hindu gods on one side and the Buddha on the othe. With time they all mixed up. The problem with one of the latest Central Asian invaders, the Mughals (who were of Mongol/Uzbek/Uighur origins) was that they were Muslims and Hinduism found it impossible to digest an Abrahamic faith unlike the pagans who had come earlier.

    You must realise that the concept of prophet is very different than the concept of avatar. A prophet is a normal human being who god trusts with sending messages to humans and to guide humans. Avatars are Gods themselves being born as humans or animals to attain some goal (end evil when it becomes excessive).

  313. Malla says:
    @Talha

    This concept of “too busy” also doesn’t work for us. It implies a weakness, it is a projection of human frailties and limitations. For us, the entire universe is subsumed by His willing it into being for each moment of its existence down to the minute detail.

    Yes I can understand that. That is a major difference in between Voodoo/ Paganism on one side and Islam as well as the Protestant sects of Christianity on the other (Catholicism and Orthodoxy have the concept of saints who can be worshiped which is rejected by Protestantism).

  314. @Authenticjazzman

    Laughable baloney. There is no “leftist fairy tale” as you say in regarding the outcome for the US as a loss. Numerous hardcore, conservative military men say it was a defeat. You don;t seem to be able to grasp the basics of history and appear rather uninformed despite much touting of your “mensa qualifications.” Numerous credible US military sources as well as credible historians, all say clearly that the US was defeated in the Vietnam War.

    If you were, as you claim, a military man, you should know that war is an instrument of policy. If you fail to achieve your policy objectives after expending much blood and treasure, you have been defeated. It is well know that the US never lost a large scale battalion sized engagement or higher in Vietnam, though some units suffered defeat in company sized engagements and below, which were the size of most of the engagements in Vietnam. But victory in a war is not measured merely by how well you do in battalion sized engagements. Your claim is a bit like saying the Russians “won” in Afghanistan- a laughable notion. If your policy objective, towards which you expended substantial military force is not accomplished, then it counts as a defeat, in most credible senses of the word. Any “mensa qualified” person should be able to grasp this basic fact.

    Credible PRO-US historians like Lewis Sorley candidly acknowledge the loss- America failed to maintain an independent South Vietnam, which was its objective for getting into the war, and sending 58,000 troops to die. They explore various blunders made, not just by “the politicians” but military blunders by US commanders like Westmoreland. In fact Sorley wrote a book called: Westmoreland: The General that lost Vietnam’ and wrote that under Creighton Abrams, the US made better progress- severely hurting the Viet Cong, whose ranks had to be increasingly filled by NVA. But again, he does not deny the bottom line- it was a loss. Says the PRO-military Sorley:

    “In Vietnam, Ambassador Ellsworth Bunker, General Creighton Abrams, and Ambassador William Colby fought as hard as they could for as long as they could with everything that was left to them to try to win the war. Maybe others in Washington or elsewhere were interested in stalemate or disengagement or some other palliative solution, but these three men and the forces they led were striving for just one thing: victory — victory defined as a South Vietnam capable of defending itself and determining its own political, economic, and cultural future.. In the wake of the defeat came untold further misery..”
    –Lewis Sorley 1999. A Better War, p387-409

    Here is one credible military source- from the US Marines for example, has to say. He rounds up 12 areas that in his analysis hurt the US effort, including not committing enough troops, withholding of the ready reserve, poor deployment of a significant slice of troop strength, etc.. He then sums up by saying these mistakes led to total disaster. And he is only one of several military men who fought in Vietnam who candidly says the same.
    QUOTE FROM ARTICLE:

    “Politics dominates war; but for war to be waged successfully, those responsible for political decisions must comprehend not only the larger circumstances of the war, but also the effect of their political decisions on the military situation. Here a senior Marine commander assesses what several political decisions really meant to those who fought the war in Vietnam…

    ..These 12 decisions with their main genesis coming from Washington, which was some 10.000 miles distance from the battle area, could bring but one result—total disaster.”
    –Raymond G., USMC. “Politics and War: Twelve Fatal Decisions That Rendered Defeat in Vietnam.” Marine Corps Gazette (August 1989)

    The Marine veteran blames blunders in Washington for the defeat, blunders that extend into the Nixon Administration. But he does not deny that the outcome was “a total disaster.”

    Here again is another analysis by US Marines:

    “The development of the war itself has been scrutinized in great detail, and it would serve little purpose here to attempt to enlarge upon this body of work. That said, two dominant opposing analyses have emerged regarding the American defeat in Vietnam. Some assert that the United States conducted a conventional war against an unconventional opponent; others counter that the conflict was in fact a conventional war and that the insurgency was a sideshow.34 Regardless, the main point is [b]that American defeat [/b]appeared to discredit the theory of counterinsurgency, and the term virtually disappeared from the military lexicon. Consequently, for the remainder of the 1970s, the U.S.military virtually ignored the theory and doctrine of counterinsurgency, concentrating on conventional warfare and focusing on the Soviet threat in Europe.”
    –Marine Corps University Journal: Volum2 3: No 1, SPring 2011. p47

    There are not “wild-eyed lefties” saying this but Marine Corps veterans, who seem to have a better handle on the facts than the alleged “mensa qualified.” Here is another US military man who commanded troops in Vietnam- Colonel Harry Summers:

    “from the perspective of our total victory in World War II, Korea still looked like a defeat and its is only from the perspective of our actual defeat in Vietnam that we can see that Korea was actually a victory.”
    –Harry G. Summers. 2012. American Strategy in Vietnam: A Critical Analysis

    .
    It is strange that the alleged “mensa qualified” cannot grasp the basic facts demonstrated by both hardcore military veterans, or credible PRO military historians.

  315. Malla says:
    @Talha

    all over the place as far as looks.

    I have seen Indian families with dark and light skinned members in the same family, some of them light skinned ones looking close to Euros. And in Nepal and Eastern parts of Bengal you see families with Caucasoid and Mongoloid members in the same families, the Caucasoid looking ones not looking Mongoloid at all and vice versa.

  316. @Authenticjazzman

    It is good, if as you claim, that you helped save the life of the black soldier. A touching take indeed if true.. But that does not change the fact that both conservative military veterans, and conservative PRO US historians hold that the US effort in Vietnam, ended in defeat. In your appalling ignorance you do not seem able to grasp this basic fact, though you tout “mensa qualifications.”

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  317. Malla says:
    @Talha

    Had dinner at a friend’s house last night. He mentioned a recent trip to Pakistan where he went to the northern areas; reported plenty of people with blond hair and blue/green eyes – not the majority by any means, but quite a few.

    There are the Kalash people in that part of Pakistan who have loads of light eyed and light haired people amongst them. Strangely their religion is similar to the most original primordial forms of ancient Vedic Hinduism. They and the Nuristanis of Afghanistan (when they were pagans and called Kaffiristan) still had their main deity as Indra, like in ancient Vedic times. Vedic god Indra’s mythologies and powers are similar to those of Norse-Germanic-Anglo Saxon God Thor as well as other Aryan deities such as Slavic God Perun, Greek God Zeus and the Roman God Jupiter.

  318. Malla says:
    @Talha

    For us, the entire universe is subsumed by His willing it into being for each moment of its existence down to the minute detail.

    Well a question here, if everything in the universe is according to God’s will to the minutest detail, we humans are part of the universe too, that means the actions of humans are according to God’s will too. So then how can humans be judged by God for their actions. It will be God judging himself!!

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  319. @bomag

    Good point. Subsidies can go to the productive, or potentially productive, and have occurred several times over the years. The railroads were subsidized by cheap or free land grants, facilitation of import of cheap immigrant labor, and sometimes cold cash to the tune of $16,000 to $48,000 per mile, depending on the difficulty of construction, and they did pretty well in helping America industrialize early on. But sometimes it tough to get even this basic level of analysis or fact amid the animus and simplistic propaganda.

  320. @Authenticjazzman

    And by primary beneficiaries I clearly mean collective action as expressed in social policy towards blacks, etc, not individual. But if indeed you did such on an individual basis – commendable.

  321. @Malla

    Good question. Two things to think of in basic Christian teaching. See Romans 1 and 2 on the question.

    1) Men can act, and have acted AGAINST God’s will, hence there is a day of judgment to come. Thus man as a moral being’s distance from God began in disobedience in the garden of Eden. God as supreme creator, has every right to judge that creation, just as a human author has every right to dispose of his work, or keep it, as he sees fit. The example of the potter’s full rights over is creation is used in the Bible.

    2) There are also additional bases for divine judgment- also discussed in Romans:

    (a) There are universal moral codes among men- against incest, against theft, against murder etc that all human groups hold in some for more another. The labels differ and the codes are not 100% identical in every place, but the general principles against wrongdoing are there in every human society. Thus men, can be judged by these.

    (b) Men judge men all the time. We shake our heads at wrongdoing on the streets and in the suites. We are angry when someone does us wrong, or we think they do, and people likewise are angry at us for doing them wrong. Also it is not only actions taken into account in a moral system, but thoughts and motives as well. We can judge someone and want to kill him/her but never carry out the murder. However the thoughts form part of a moral system, not merely outward actions. The inward counts, including motives. Now if men can judge other men, and presume to be right to judge other men, how much more the creator of the universe and mankind can judge? Roman 2 vs 1 to 2 lays out the case pretty clearly.

    Now of course not everyone accepts this nor do they accept the way out as taught in Christian teaching, that God has provided Christ, who in his redemptive sacrifice, has taken on all man’s sins, putting him on a right footing before God to escape judgment, and be reconciled to God. This is the basis of the Christian faith which all are free to accept or reject. Now indeed many people right and left wing reject this teaching, and elect to take their chances based on their own works, which of course includes not only observable physical actions but thoughts and motives as well. Final proof as to whether the choice is the right one will be seen on the other side.

  322. Talha says:
    @Malla

    Hey Malla,

    Excellent question. One has to step back and look at the metaphysics behind it. From the Muslim perspective, nothing happens outside the will of God. There is a difference between choice/intention which is an inner desire that comes from the human being and the actual will which translates this desire into action in the phenomenal world. At each moment in time, a human being (given whatever resources/capability) makes a choice to do something or take an action. But they cannot, themselves, bring that action into actual being – that is instantiated by the Divine will. If the Divine will chooses, the action will come into being, otherwise it will be interdicted. The human being is judged on his intention and desire, not on the actual action as it manifests in the phenomenal world.

    This is actually something that is very observable in the human experience. If you’ve ever slept wrong on your arm or something, it falls asleep. When you want to move it, you have a desire for an action you want to do, but you cannot will it because it is interdicted by something. If a man wants to murder someone, he plans to pull a trigger – at this point, it depends on the Divine prerogative whether or not it allows the finger to move or paralyze it – to allow the bullet to fire or misfire. Again, the murderer is judged for choosing/intending the action, not its actual creation in the phenomenal world.

    I hope this makes sense.

    Peace.

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  323. anarchyst says:
    @EnriiqueCardovaa

    You are sadly misinformed…if you think that the “US historians” (mostly communists) “got it fight” regarding Vietnam.
    The Vietnam was was an INVASION by the North Vietnamese communists. South Vietnamese and American forces fought this conflict with one hand tied behind their backs, because they were not permitted to go into the areas where the enemy planning and logistics was taking place. Despite these restrictions, South Vietnamese and American troops prevailed in every battle in Vietnam, but here in the USA, it was a totally different story. The American “(communist) mainstream media”, communists and their “fellow travelers” blamed the American military for the prosecution of the war. Communist Walter Cronkite’s declaration that “the American military lost the war” despite the successes in the failed North Vietnamese Tet offensive proved that the American “mainstream media” couldnot be trusted. Us Vietnam veterans were considered “baby killers”, “loose cannons”, “mentally defective”, and were vilified and blamed for the war itself. Job opportunities that were supposed to be earmarked for returning Vietnam veterans never materialized. It is curious to note that as soon as the draft was abolished, he “anti-war” movement dissipated. These anti-war protesters (along with their chickenhawk political opportunists) were only concerned about one thing–”saving their own skins”–nothing more. There was no concern for the tens of thousands of “boat people risking life and limb to escape that communist “paradise”.
    Ken Burns’ “documentary” on the Vietnam war praised the communist invaders while denigrating American and South Vietnamese troops. He inadvertently “let it slip” about the TRUTH of the communist “re-education” camps and system. Despite claims by the communists that “re-education” would last only about six months or so, South Vietnamese patriots were imprisoned by the communists for as long as 20 YEARS. Ken Burns is just another communist sympathizer.

  324. @anarchyst

    Concise and precise, could not have have said it better.

    However this guy “Cardova” ( there is something fishy about his name with the double “a”) , this guy is a stupid communist fool, and all discussion with him is an exercise in futility.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician
    (last gig : this afternoon)

    PS : Burn’s jazz epic was totally off base.

  325. @anarchyst

    The Vietnam was was an INVASION by the North Vietnamese communists. South Vietnamese and American forces fought this conflict with one hand tied behind their backs, because they were not permitted to go into the areas where the enemy planning and logistics was taking place.

    Sure but only in part. Inside South Vietnam, and outside via airpower it was open season on communist forces. But what you say above does not change the central point at issue, that it is not merely “leftists” or “communist sympathizers” who hold the US effort to be a defeat, but conservative military men and PRO-military historians as cited above in detail. Nothing you say above changes the bottom line.

    Despite these restrictions, South Vietnamese and American troops prevailed in every battle in Vietnam,

    This is laughable nonsense. The US and South VIetnam did not prevail in “every battle.” No credible military history supports such pablum, including conservative soldiers and PRO-American historians as already cited. They debunk your claim in detail. You are living in a fantasy world.

    .

    but here in the USA, it was a totally different story. The American “(communist) mainstream media”, communists and their “fellow travelers” blamed the American military for the prosecution of the war. Communist Walter Cronkite’s declaration that “the American military lost the war” despite the successes in the failed North Vietnamese Tet offensive proved that the American “mainstream media” couldn’t be trusted. Us Vietnam veterans were considered “baby killers”, “loose cannons”, “mentally defective”, and were vilified and blamed for the war itself. Job opportunities that were supposed to be earmarked for returning Vietnam veterans never materialized.

    A raft of dubious distortions, save for the bad way some vets were treated. And the bad treatment was not merely by “the leftists.” Vietnam vets report that on some occasions they were disrespected as “losers” by conservative VFW and American Legion types of WW2. As one veteran reports- QUOTE:

    “That was surprising to Davis, considering the stories he often heard of the Vietnam-era vets who felt rejected by the World War II vets before them.
    “When they came back, they’d try to go into the VFW and the American Legion and they’d hear, ‘You don’t belong here—you didn’t win your war.’

    https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2016/0331/At-once-stodgy-VFW-a-new-portrait-of-America-s-changing-military

    As for who was fighting eventually even many right wing conservatives decided that it was a losing effort and it was time to cut losses.

    Ken Burns’ “documentary” on the Vietnam war praised the communist invaders while denigrating American and South Vietnamese troops. He inadvertently “let it slip” about the TRUTH of the communist “re-education” camps and system. Despite claims by the communists that “re-education” would last only about six months or so, South Vietnamese patriots were imprisoned by the communists for as long as 20 YEARS. Ken Burns is just another communist sympathizer.

    Burns did not let anything “slip.” The vile communist “re-education camps” are/were well documented and were reported extensively in the press, after the communist takeover created the “boat people.” But in any case, nothing you say can change the fact that conservative military men and PRO-military historians hold that the US effort was a defeat, as cited above in detail. Maybe they too are somehow, mystically, (attach additional right-wing boilerplate) “communist sympathizers.”

    ” ..These 12 decisions with their main genesis coming from Washington, which was some 10.000 miles distance from the battle area, could bring but one result—total disaster.”
    –Raymond G., USMC. “Politics and War: Twelve Fatal Decisions That Rendered Defeat in Vietnam.” Marine Corps Gazette (August 1989)

    The Marine veteran blames blunders in Washington for the defeat, blunders that extend into the Nixon Administration. But he does not deny that the outcome was “a total disaster.”

    Here again is another analysis by US Marines “communists”:

    “The development of the war itself has been scrutinized in great detail, and it would serve little purpose here to attempt to enlarge upon this body of work. That said, two dominant opposing analyses have emerged regarding the American defeat in Vietnam. Some assert that the United States conducted a conventional war against an unconventional opponent; others counter that the conflict was in fact a conventional war and that the insurgency was a sideshow.34 Regardless, the main point is [b]that American defeat [/b]appeared to discredit the theory of counterinsurgency, and the term virtually disappeared from the military lexicon. Consequently, for the remainder of the 1970s, the U.S.military virtually ignored the theory and doctrine of counterinsurgency, concentrating on conventional warfare and focusing on the Soviet threat in Europe.”
    –Marine Corps University Journal: Volum2 3: No 1, SPring 2011. p47

    Here is another US military man who commanded troops in Vietnam- Colonel Harry Summers: He too is a “communist sympathizer”

    “from the perspective of our total victory in World War II, Korea still looked like a defeat and its is only from the perspective of our actual defeat in Vietnam that we can see that Korea was actually a victory.”
    –Harry G. Summers. 2012. American Strategy in Vietnam: A Critical Analysis

    LOL

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  326. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    @anarchyst

    The Vietnam was was an INVASION by the North Vietnamese communists. South Vietnamese and American forces fought this conflict with one hand tied behind their backs, because they were not permitted to go into the areas where the enemy planning and logistics was taking place.

    Sure but only in part. Inside South Vietnam, and outside via airpower it was open season on communist forces. But what you say above does not change the central point at issue, that it is not merely “leftists” or “communist sympathizers” who hold the US effort to be a defeat, but conservative military men and PRO-military historians as cited above in detail. Nothing you say above changes the bottom line.

    Despite these restrictions, South Vietnamese and American troops prevailed in every battle in Vietnam,

    This is laughable nonsense. The US and South VIetnam did not prevail in “every battle.” No credible military history supports such pablum, including conservative soldiers and PRO-American historians as already cited. They debunk your claim in detail. You are living in a fantasy world.

    .

    but here in the USA, it was a totally different story. The American “(communist) mainstream media”, communists and their “fellow travelers” blamed the American military for the prosecution of the war. Communist Walter Cronkite’s declaration that “the American military lost the war” despite the successes in the failed North Vietnamese Tet offensive proved that the American “mainstream media” couldn’t be trusted. Us Vietnam veterans were considered “baby killers”, “loose cannons”, “mentally defective”, and were vilified and blamed for the war itself. Job opportunities that were supposed to be earmarked for returning Vietnam veterans never materialized.

    A raft of dubious distortions, save for the bad way some vets were treated. And the bad treatment was not merely by “the leftists.” Vietnam vets report that on some occasions they were disrespected as “losers” by conservative VFW and American Legion types of WW2. As one veteran reports- QUOTE:
    “That was surprising to Davis, considering the stories he often heard of the Vietnam-era vets who felt rejected by the World War II vets before them.
    “When they came back, they’d try to go into the VFW and the American Legion and they’d hear, ‘You don’t belong here—you didn’t win your war.’

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2016/0331/At-once-stodgy-VFW-a-new-portrait-of-America-s-changing-military

    As for who was fighting eventually even many right wing conservatives decided that it was a losing effort and it was time to cut losses.

    Ken Burns’ “documentary” on the Vietnam war praised the communist invaders while denigrating American and South Vietnamese troops. He inadvertently “let it slip” about the TRUTH of the communist “re-education” camps and system. Despite claims by the communists that “re-education” would last only about six months or so, South Vietnamese patriots were imprisoned by the communists for as long as 20 YEARS. Ken Burns is just another communist sympathizer.

    Burns did not let anything “slip.” The vile communist “re-education camps” are/were well documented and were reported extensively in the press, after the communist takeover created the “boat people.” But in any case, nothing you say can change the fact that conservative military men and PRO-military historians hold that the US effort was a defeat, as cited above in detail. Maybe they too are somehow, mystically, (attach additional right-wing boilerplate) “communist sympathizers.”

    • Replies: @Anon
  327. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The Vietnam was was an INVASION by the North Vietnamese communists. South Vietnamese and American forces fought this conflict with one hand tied behind their backs, because they were not permitted to go into the areas where the enemy planning and logistics was taking place.

    There was no ‘north vietnam’ and ‘south vietnam’ before the US divided the nation.
    The division was artificial. How can Vietnamese invade their own nation? If I divide your house in two and say “You can only have the left side of the house, would you be ‘invading’ the right side of the house if you lay claim to it?

    If China and Russia were to divide Italy into North Italy and South Italy, is there something wrong with Italians, in north or south, trying to restore unity?

    US should never have divided Vietnam in the first place. It has no right to interfere in that country.

    Now, one can make a case that communism is a bad system, and unfortunately, the unification of Vietnam led to communist rule, a bad deal.

    But the iron will to unify the country was patriotism, pure and simple.

    Also, unlike Kim of North Korea who was nothing but a puppet installed by Stalin, Ho and his men were true patriots and revolutionaries.

  328. My Phone is not saving settings or formatting but here’s another try

    There was no ‘north vietnam’ and ‘south vietnam’ before the US divided the nation. The division was artificial. How can Vietnamese invade their own nation? If I divide your house in two and say “You can only have the left side of the house, would you be ‘invading’ the right side of the house if you lay claim to it?

    True enough, it was an artificial division, but it was a fact on the ground just like Korea. And the US objective to create and maintain an independent southern entity was defeated- ended in failure- however you want to slice it. Conservative military men cited above candidly call it like it is. In Korea by contrast, the southern entity survived.

    US should never have divided Vietnam in the first place. It has no right to interfere in that country. . Now, one can make a case that communism is a bad system, and unfortunately, the unification of Vietnam led to communist rule, a bad deal.

    You have to apply this same standard to communist China and Russia which interfered big time in the country. China actually deployed some 300,000 troops inside North Vietnam or in the border zone to maintain critical infrastructure and man things like anti-aircraft defenses during the conflict, and provide training and aircraft sanctuaries. And the Soviets deployed massive quantities of first-rank equipment including billions in annual aid and one of the most sophisticated anti-aircraft defense systems in the world. The US was within its rights to try to help the millions of people in the south that did NOT want the communist system imposed on them. My only problem with US intervention is HOW it went about it. As the PRO-military historians cited above demonstrate, there were a number of alternatives available at the time, that could have led to a better outcome. And this includes a combination of military and political action.

  329. Talha says:
    @EnriiqueCardovaa

    This is an interesting conversation. I don’t really have a dog in it, but the way I see it…well, let’s bring some dogs into it.

    If a pack of pooches found an abandoned house to hole up in that was infested with roaches and killed of thousands of roaches in the struggle and lost not a single pooch, but eventually had to leave the house anyway…

    Case closed – roaches win. Numbers are irrelevant; you are homeless, but you can pride yourself on how many roaches you killed.

    Maybe other have a different vantage point and see the roaches losing – not sure.

  330. The box-office returns of this film should be very interesting, especially when regionally broken down.

    The general release date is February 16th, and I notice the running time is a rather ponderous 2 hours 20 minutes.

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel2017b.htm

  331. Malla says:
    @Talha

    Good explanation.
    However why would a good merciful God allow bad intentions and desires to be converted into action? Why not just read the evil intentions and then judge them on judgment day. No need to convert such evil desires into actions. Would make this world a much better place.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Truth
  332. Talha says:
    @Malla

    Hey Malla,

    Free will is a package deal; some use it for good, some use it for evil. This is the “Abode of Trials” – we’re all here collecting points or losing them. Consider it like a massive video game – a really, really good one. What will you use your avatar for; good, evil, both?

    Judgement Day is when man is rewarded or punished for how he lived life and the choices he made – then it is onto the “Realm of Reward” or “Realm of Punishment”.

    And some people do horrible things, but it causes them to then change their lives around. The human experience is vast and varied. Furthermore, for us God is absolutely the Good and the Merciful – those being some of His attributes, but He also has attributes of rigor like ad-Daarr (the Afflicter) and al-Qaabid (The One Who Constricts) and al-Khaafidh (The One Who Lowers) and al-Mudhil (The Abaser), etc.

    So there are attributes of His that manifest themselves in the phenomenal world either through nature (earthquakes, famine, etc.) or the choices of men (oppression, war, etc.), while the attributes of Mercy and Love certainly predominate – they are not the only ones in play. Rather what we see around us is the subtle interplay between all of the Divine Attributes (at least the ones revealed to us, there may be more that we have no experience of in our known universe). So man chooses the action, and God makes it manifest (while He can certainly decide to block the action – there was an instance recorded where a man was charging at the Prophet [pbuh] with his horse, but the horse kept stumbling and falling every time the rider got up to try again and again until he got the hint). These deeds are all recorded and when man is rewarded or punished, the record will be brought forth to bear witness that indeed no injustice is being done to him.

    Furthermore, remember, this place is not Paradise – it is meant to contain evil and horrible things, that is the point. It is supposed to try to drive you towards Paradise. Creation is other than God, so of course it is going be composed of imperfections, it is its very nature…

    Everything one suffers here or must bear with patience gets made up for in the end in a moment…
    “… And then that person from amongst the people, who are going to Paradise, of the world be brought who had led the most miserable life (in the world). And he would be made to dip once in Paradise and it would be said to him. ‘O, son of Adam, did you ever face any hardship? Or had any distress fallen to your lot?’ And he would say: ‘By Allah, no, O my Lord. Never did I face any hardship or experience any distress.’” – reported in Muslim

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Malla
  333. c matt says:
    @Truth

    I think you are missing the point: No one is expected to believe Spiderman, Superman, Thor, etc. (hence why it is called suspension of disbelief) would happen – no one is running around juicing spiders with uranium exposure and letting them bite. But many proponents of BP do go running around saying Wakanda would be/is real but for the White Man. Which is fine – let them go to Africa and create Wakanda (see, e.g., Liberia).

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Truth
  334. Malla says:

    Meet the father of Wakanda , a Mr. Basil Davidson

    http://www.rogersandall.com/basil-davidson/

    With the independence of a growing number of African states his books entered the remunerative field of required reading for students of African History on campuses throughout the world. Davidson found himself in constant demand as a lecturer, and apotheosis was reached when the BBC commissioned him to direct a highly successful TV series of doubtful scholarship on African history.

    Fame and fortune came not just in the West. There were vastly greater rewards from translations in the communist world. In the Soviet Union and its satellites editions of politically acceptable works reached astronomical figures by Western standards.

    ….snip….

    Davidson first came into contact with African folklore in the halcyon days of négritude. Its most talented exponents were to be found in a circle around the Paris magazine Présence Africaine. One of these was the Angolan Mário de Andrade, a founder of the MPLA, (Movimento Popular de Libertação de Angola, or People’s Movement for the Liberation of Angola) the political party which was to rule Angola after independence a quarter of a century later.

    Andrade held the highly original view that Angola, at its time of first contact with the Portuguese in the late fifteenth century, enjoyed a level of civilization equivalent to that of eighteenth-century Europe. Davidson lapped this fantasy up and proceeded to direct his research and writing towards an extravagant eulogy of pre-colonial African kingdoms, their technology, and their philosophy. This approach pleased not only Mário de Andrade but also the generality of African liberationists in exile.
    Admirer of kings and courts

    It was the “majesty” of West African kingdoms that Davidson found specially appealing. And no more majestic kingdom could be found than Benin. In his book African Kingdoms he remarks on the glory of “court life, of royal hunting parties and ceremonial occasions”, and notes with approval how severely “the forms of protocol” were royally enforced.

    But only an assiduous reader will find that the ceremonial occasions frequently involved human sacrifice; and as for the severities of protocol, no mention whatever is heard of the custom of proskynesis (obligatory prostration before the almighty Royal Person) by which a West African king’s subjects were required to inch their way toward the Divine Presence on their bellies, signifying their degraded status by squirming through the courtyard mud to kiss his feet.

    Announcing “the awesome power of Benin’s king”, Davidson tells with enthusiasm how “the Oba of Benin was an absolute monarch who could command anything he wished with the knowledge that he would instantly be obeyed”, how his “time was taken up by countless ceremonies and sacrifices and by his harem of a hundred or more wives”, how anyone who questioned the divinity of the monarch “was executed as a heretic”—all of these being uncritically presented as if they were natural features of political life.

    This ability to omit the distasteful, to find praiseworthy elements in backward and barbaric customs—to invert values and mystify realities—soon drew the attention of the masters of Soviet propaganda. They were fully aware of the strategic importance in the Cold War of winning allies among future African leaders, and this was where Davidson proved especially useful. He soon became one of the principal propagandists for African independence movements sponsored by the Soviet Union.
    Working for the MPLA

    In the case of Angola this meant the MPLA. Sponsored by the underground Portuguese Communist Party, with very little support inside Angola itself, this organization depended largely on Angolans of various backgrounds who were studying in Europe. Their activity was chiefly one of propaganda and only marginally of armed struggle.

  335. Malla says:
    @Talha

    Free will is a package deal; some use it for good, some use it for evil.

    If everything is according to God’s will to every detail in the universe, where does it leave space for free will?

    He also has attributes of rigor like ad-Daarr (the Afflicter) and al-Qaabid (The One Who Constricts) and al-Khaafidh (The One Who Lowers) and al-Mudhil (The Abaser), etc.

    That GOD almighty might be. But if an evil man desires his intention to hurt an innocent man, why would a just God allow such intentions to be manifested into action? If he abases, afflicts and lowers an evil person, say a person who abuses his power, I understand but we see around us the good and the innocent being prey to evil people all the time. How can a Good God allow such manifestations into actions? How is he (may he forgive me for this) different from Satan (Shaitan) if it is his will which manifests harm to good and innocent people?

    Furthermore, remember, this place is not Paradise – it is meant to contain evil and horrible things, that is the point. It is supposed to try to drive you towards Paradise. Creation is other than God, so of course it is going be composed of imperfections, it is its very nature…

    This is a very good point.

    • Replies: @Talha
  336. Malla says:
    @c matt

    But many proponents of BP do go running around saying Wakanda would be/is real but for the White Man.

    LOL ‘We wuz Wakanda’ meme will soon populate the Internet.Well it seems ‘Wakanda’ is a native American term.

    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/159268830/we-wuz-wakanda-meme-warfare-edition

  337. Talha says:
    @Malla

    Hey Malla,

    If everything is according to God’s will to every detail in the universe, where does it leave space for free will?

    As I mentioned, man has a choice, an intention that arises from within himself – the result of that choice or intention cannot be manifested in the phenomenal world unless God wills it to be so. Now one may say, well that just means we are marionettes and God is pulling all the strings and all of human consciousness is an illusion, but…
    1) That actually goes against the human experience. Human beings actually can tell when their own choice is being blocked or overwhelmed by something. I gave you the example of a foot or arm falling asleep where the human makes a choice/intention to will something, but experiences their will is interdicted. Another example is what you find in people with Tourrets Syndrome; if you have read about this or watched a documentary, then it is clear that these people have experiences where they are actually overwhelmed by these muscle ticks or spasms. They feel them coming on, they actually try to fight them, but are unable to do so. The human being can actually tell when their will is being overpowered.
    2) If one says that #1 is still just an illusory experience, then there is no point arguing or talking about it since once has accused the human experience and senses of any reliability. In this case, just enjoy the ride and see what happens.
    3) Nobody, but nobody lives life according to #2.

    why would a just God allow such intentions to be manifested into action?

    Because one man’s choice is a test for the other:
    “We did not send any messengers before you (O prophet) but that they used to eat food and walk in the markets. And We have made some of you a test for some others. Will you not observe patience? And your Lord is Ever-seeing.” (25:20)

    When one has been wronged, one then has a choice of what to do; does one forgive, does one have patience, does one seek justice, does one seek revenge, etc.

    This reminded me of a recent incident where a Muslim father forgave a young man for murdering his son. The family took an evil act and made good come out of it:

    Without others doing harm to one, how exactly is someone supposed to learn what forgiveness or patience is? If all you get in this world is that which goes along with what you want? How is it then the “Abode of Tribulation”? How then does a man get to make the choice for evil if that’s what he wants, if every time he intends it, he is blocked? Then is there any choice any more? I mean, I’m sure you did something wrong to people in your life; maybe you cursed them or said something mean – why didn’t your tongue stop moving? Maybe you didn’t kill anyone, but that’s just a level of degree of evil, right? Most people want God to let them do the bad things they personally don’t feel are so bad, but they want Him to stop the other guy from doing things they wouldn’t do. Like I said, it’s a package deal.

    How can a Good God allow such manifestations into actions?

    Because those who are victims will be rewarded and those who committed the crimes will be punished. Unless you are willing to take into account the Day of Judgement and the Afterlife into the equation, none of this makes sense. Just because He allows the action to be manifest, does not mean He is pleased with it – you mentioned Shaytan; God has both created Shaytan and gives him life for each moment of his existence, while not being pleased with him or what he does. The question is a metaphysical one; creation is other than God, it is imperfect, does God not have the ability to create or make manifest that which He is not pleased with and point it out as so, or is He limited to only creating those things which He is pleased with? When one looks at it this way, one understands that He makes all things manifest in His creation in order to make known that which He approves of, that which He doesn’t. If there was nothing evil that was made to be manifest in the world, how could God say something like:
    “Allah does not love those who spread corruption.” (5:64)

    …unless we knew what it is that “corruption” is? And how would we know without it being manifest?

    Peace.

  338. Robert Dunn says: • Website

    In the same way the Democrat Party excluded whites (and even defamed them as in Hillary Clinton’s declaration to ‘hold white Americans accountable’) and lost the election as a result I see the left, including the media, fawning over this resulting in many white film, and Marvel film lovers staying home. Besides, what white person will want to be in a theater full of black people all convinced the fantasy of ‘Black Panther’ would be the reality of Africa but for them! I think many whites, although shamed into not admitting this, remember whites being targeted for physical violence during one protest/demonstration after another over at least the last couple of years and don’t wish to see, much less be in the middle of, a repeat of that!

    In every major city in America most white people know which parts of the city are ‘dangerous’ and why despite being shamed should they admit that! And those ‘dangerous’ parts of every US major city are exactly what most black countries also are – Sh*tholes!

  339. Truth says:
    @c matt

    But many proponents of BP do go running around saying Wakanda would be/is real but for the

    This is the Black Panther trailer:

    I am repeating myself for the 15th time, now but I will make the effort.

    You are telling me that white people do not believe that being bitten by a radioactive spider gives you the ability two shoot webs from your wrist, but that black people around who believe that 500 years ago, there was a country in Africa with skyscrapers, bullet trains and flying saucers?

    This is actually your belief?

  340. Truth says:

    My friend, please. Just as Aasgard is a fable based upon a an old Norse legend, Black Panther is an apocryphal tale based upon Mansa Musa, the richest (according to many) man who ever lived.

    If you truly believe that someone believes that Wakanda exists he is not the only one with an 85IQ.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Medvedev
  341. Talha says:
    @Truth

    I don’t think you get it, boy. We don’t like our niggers getting uppity ideas in their heads about what they can do if they get their act together.

    PS. I have no idea why Africans would want to adopt the hyper-materialism that has gripped the West, where technological advancement is their new ‘god’ and nerdy engineers their new oracles.

    Coming to a country near you, the “Ministry of Loneliness” – welcome to spiritual hell, but hey, your smartphone works great so you can livestream your suicide:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/02/02/isolation-is-rising-in-europe-can-loneliness-ministers-help-change-that/?utm_term=.7642cea1c3a4

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Talha
    , @Anon
  342. Truth says:
    @Talha

    Unfortunately, hyper-materialism is like a drug, that is aided by everything you see in every media outlet.

    It’s like people on this site are always saying, “waaaal whut wood tha Knee-grows do if we wur all gone??”

    How about, “hunt, fish, raise children, build campfires, tell stories…”

    A lot of these goofs simply don’t realize that there is life outside of plasma TV.

    • Replies: @Talha
  343. Talha says:
    @Talha

    For the record. I don’t plan to watch this movie unless my kids try to drag me to it because I’m fairly sick of these types of nonsense comic book adaptations; Boom, Pow, Foom, Wham!!!

    Some of the better movies coming out these days (in my estimation) are the ones that relate to Westerns or general small-town plots in rural areas; True Grit and Hell or Highwater were pretty nice (yeah – OK, I’m a Jeff Bridges fan). Westerns remind me a lot of the classic old-school samurai movies that came out of Japan in the 50′s and 60′s.

  344. Talha says:
    @Truth

    How about, “hunt, fish, raise children, build campfires, tell stories…”

    Agree. I may not want to personally live a desert-traveling life like the Tuareg, but I would hate for their unique traditional lifestyle to be replaced by strip-malls and on-demand pornography.

    Sure they have it rough, but that’s what makes them…them.

    Shaykh Hamza Yusuf spent some time in the Sene-Gambia area (Mansa Musa’s old stomping ground) and was quite impressed with the people, he was not impressed by their living conditions, but that’s not what he was gauging them by*:

    All depends on what one wants to define as poverty. People can live dignified lives in poverty and despicable lives in plenty.

    Also, Africa is going to start turning more towards places like Turkey and China anyway. Europeans had their chance, time to try something new:

    “Turkey is an ardent supporter of African solutions for African issues…Our humanitarian engagements in the Continent, as well as other parts of the world, are aimed at introducing permanent solutions rather than makeshift remedies for structural problems…Take the example of two hospitals Turkey opened in conflict ridden regions: Darfur and Mogadishu. These hospitals that serve as training and research centers were officially inaugurated in 2014 and 2015 respectively. The Turkish government could have taken the easy way by handing over the keys of the hospitals to the Sudanese and Somali authorities after completing the construction and refurbishment. Instead, Turkey, together with the local authorities, has established joint management teams for the hospitals for the next five-year-period. By doing so, we are ensuring both the high quality health services, provided by over 100 Turkish doctors and health professionals, and training the future local managers and staff of the hospitals.”

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201605311103.html

    Teach the man to fish approach…

    Peace.

    *Note: He once told a story of how he went into very remote areas and was taken in as a fellow brother. His teacher allowed him to stay in his quarters – something he didn’t do for any other students – White privilege!!! – just kidding, he wanted to make it easy for him since he wasn’t used to the harsh environment. He almost died from disease around two times, but never regretted his experience. There were people there that had never seen a white-skinned man like him. Some children thought he was a ghost and would run away – LOL!

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  345. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Sure, but the only thing dumber than grumbling about such a thing has got to be grumbling about people grumbling about it.

    (You could make the changes (dumber->funnier) and (grumbling->laughing) and get another true sentence, perhaps more appropriate).

    • Replies: @Talha
  346. Talha says:
    @Anon

    You’re probably right – taking people waaaay too seriously who are taking this waaaay too seriously…

    Had some good exchanges off-topic though – that was fun.

    Peace.

  347. Truth says:
    @Malla

    Because if he didn’t, you wouldn’t have free will. The purpose of life is having free will, yet exercising good choices.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  348. @Truth

    ” The purpose of life is having free will”

    Okay so according to religious concepts God knows the future, so if he already knows who is going to fail and be condemed to eternal damnation, what is the sense of putting them and their potential victims through all of the misery and suffering which is futile anyway, seeing as the condemned are already known to God.

    Which then leads to the Hitler conundrum : If God, as according to religious dogma, creates everything and God knows the future this means that he knew what the results of his creating Hitler/Stalin, Jim Jones, Gacy Manson etc would be, and he went ahead and created them anyway, instead of contemplating it and then thinking : I guess it would be better for the millions of future victims of these freaks to not go ahead and insert them into reality.
    And of course the standard reply to this riddle is : Well what about the free will of Hitler/Stalin and co?
    And to which the accurate answer would be : Well what about the free will of their victims?

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

    • Replies: @Truth
  349. Truth says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    As far as God knowing everything, and God knowing the future, I’ve always had questions about these things myself. It came to me one day, that there are simply questions I will never know the answers to, and that is OK.

    Hitler, and Stalin, and Jim Jones, as far as I know, didn’t kill anyone. Maybe they did when they were Privates in the army, in WWI, the first two anyway, but what they, as well as our presidents did, was SUGGEST to others they they kill someone (the Nazis, Bolsheviks). And others exercised their free will in acceptance.

    My friend, it is like the age-old question; “If God is all powerful can he create a rock too heavy for himself to lift?” Obviously there is no satisfying answer to this question; if you answer “yes,”, than God is not all powerful because there is a rock he cannot lift, and if you answer “no,” then he is not all powerful because there is something he cannot do. I have found, with age and experience, that there is a highly satisfactory answer to this question, the answer is, “what the fuck difference does it make in your life?”

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  350. Lurker says:
    @Jim Christian

    Unlikely, as the Nimitz wasn’t operational until 1976.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  351. Dr. Doom says:

    Hey troof. We all know you’re tribe. Who ya kidding fool? The spelling is too much like English for a pavement ape to make. What’s the Shaft impression about? Small in the pants are ya? Hating on the White Man cause you lost a girl who saw you and the undersized pickle? Now its all cosplay about being some blaxploitation star hitting on White Chicks huh? LOSER.

    This febrile fantasy isn’t aimed at Whites, Paul. Its the cargo cult flying pyramid we wuz kangs that this silly black fantasy goes out too. They’ll believe anything as long as they see free monies coming from YT for tribute. Gibsmedat or else YT.

    It never ends unless they get smacked down. Reason and logic may as well be Greek to them. They don’t actually believe they are owed. Its an EXCUSE. Tribute. Robbery. Threats. They are savages. Strategy is not their style. I expect that now the economy is tanking, they need something to distract and cause problems. Causing problems is the MO of the enemy alien parasite. They will lose. They always lose. Fighting Hitler even now. That’s some kind of crazy. Especially when they’re recruiting someone like Idi Amin as an “allie”.

    War is pretty much inevitable. The enemy is crazy and keeps doubling down. Blowback is inevitable. These constant in your face promotions of Anti-White hate that translates into more attacks will and must form an equal if not greater force. The enemy alien is too stupid and incorrigible to stop. No self control.

    • LOL: Truth
  352. @Truth

    You are missing the point of the query, and that being : Just why does God, if he indeed knows the future, just why does he go ahead and insert evil, malicious, murderous individuals into reality?

    Why does he not think it over and decide to not install certain persons into reality, sort of like “I guess it might not be a good idea” to create a John Gacy, or a Charles Manson or a Ghengis Khan at this point in time.

    Just what is the purpose of sending out murderous, bloodthirsty, scumbags into humanity, if he already knows what the results will be?

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @joef
  353. Truth says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    I really cannot make an intelligent response as to why God does what he does. It is a little above my pay grade. My understanding of what I have READ is that God accepts, for the meantime, Satan as the Steward of the earth. Satan is 100% ego and 0% empathy so he promotes vice in order to disconnect people from the love of God.

    Again Jazzy, John Gacy and Manson and Hitler are two different varieties of “bloodthirsty scumbags.” Gacy actually killed people, Hitler relied upon others as did Khan, Stalin and the rest of the real murderers.

    Again, from my understanding, the earth was meant to be perfect but it was accursed when Eve bit into the apple (or had sex with Satan, depending upon whom you ask). And we have been battling the scourges of man ever since.

    As I pointed out above, this is all academic foolery though. The point is for YOU to accept God’s love. My original point came from a zen story I once heard in which a Middle-Ages Christian Minister goes to Japan. He was educated in the seminary back in Europe, spoke a few languages, wrote in a few, etc. He meets the zen monk and as Europeans were in the time, was unshaven, had not bathed for months and was a loud, and hostile alcoholic, he asks the Monk a series of questions meant to slyly implicate the Monk’s religion as a sham. The monk answers him:

    “My friend, it appears that your head in in a guillotine, and you are more worried about the condition of your beard than keeping it.”

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  354. joef says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Interesting conversation, between you and Truth, and I do not pretend to have any adequate answers on this. The only thing I can speculate on is that God is not bound by time. To Him it is all here and now. We operate in linear time using our freewill, but He timelessly sees everything all at once (in the one moment).

    We all occasionally review our own lives in our own minds, going over our own recollections of success and failures. As compared to the decades of our own lives, we can review it in our own minds fairly quickly. This review of knowing how we end up here today does not negate our past acts of free will. These memories of accumulated acts of freewill is how we are at our present moment in time.

    It also comes down to just because I cannot understand it, does not negates its reality. Not being able to prove something does not necessarily nullify its existence. At one time no one knew of the existence of the planet Pluto (or the new world, or germ theory, etc) but nevertheless it still existed in reality. Our prior lack of knowledge did not make Pluto disappear from reality. Instead it was just awaiting to be discovered.

    • Replies: @Talha
  355. Talha says:
    @joef

    Excellent points!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @joef
  356. @Truth

    ” The point is for YOU to accept god’s love”

    Well this is a tough one for myself, seeing as I am a confirmed atheist.

    And I might add that you are consistantly talking down to me as if I don’t know that Hitler relied upon others to do the killing for him, etc.

    My first wife’s mother had a photo of her uncle, a high ranking officer, standing next to AH, and she, and of course my wife, was a so-called “Von” : German nobility. She had some quite interesting stories to tell, as the majority of German aristocrats did in fact support AH, and his movement.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jaz musician.

    • Replies: @Truth
  357. joef says:
    @Talha

    Thanks… unfortunately, I do not know peace… I am always waiting for the shoe to drop from a leftist produced debt (living well today so the unborn can pay for it tomorrow), and leftist inspired racial balkanization. I wish afro americans would tell their leftist masters to go away, and stop indiscriminately hating whitey without cause. But I do not see that happening, thus I am tortured by the visions of a failed state that this direction will inevitably produce. Pray that I am wrong (but I do not believe that I am) Despite that, I sincerely wish peace for you (unfortunately there is none for me).

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Truth
  358. Talha says:
    @joef

    Bro,

    You just mentioned that God knows all that is/was/will be, how can you not have hope? Do not put your hopes in this dunya (world) – it was meant to break your hopes in it. If you see, one of the ironic things is that many people become atheists because they see the bad in the world, but cannot resolve why that should be. Why should the murderers and tyrants get away and their victims have no justice? They reject the possibility of the afterlife where people are held to account and punished or rewarded. Again, the irony is that their initial demand for justice then leads them to accept a framework in which there is absolutely no hope for one.

    Do what you need to do, prepare what you need to prepare for difficult times, teach your children proper life lessons, but never lose hope, for that is not thinking well of your Lord:
    “…And never give up hope of God’s Mercy. Certainly, no one despairs of God’s Mercy, except the people who disbelieve.” (12:87)

    Peace, and may God preserve you in this life and the next.

    • Replies: @joef
    , @Anon
  359. Rogersandsall says:
    But only an assiduous reader will find that the ceremonial occasions frequently involved human sacrifice; and as for the severities of protocol, no mention whatever is heard of the custom of proskynesis (obligatory prostration before the almighty Royal Person) by which a West African king’s subjects were required to inch their way toward the Divine Presence on their bellies, signifying their degraded status by squirming through the courtyard mud to kiss his feet. Announcing “the awesome power of Benin’s king”, Davidson tells with enthusiasm how “the Oba of Benin was an absolute monarch who could command anything he wished with the knowledge that he would instantly be obeyed”, how his “time was taken up by countless ceremonies and sacrifices and by his harem of a hundred or more wives”, how anyone who questioned the divinity of the monarch “was executed as a heretic”—all of these being uncritically presented as if they were natural features of political life.

    But such trappings of royalty are nothing unusual for white European monarchies, or Asian for that matter, as in the famous “kowtow,” or the similar prostrations in Persia, Babylonia, etc, and were indeed considered quite natural features of political life. Even today white Catholics hasten to bow down and kiss the feet of assorted Popes, authoritarian rulers of their religion, and for a time in the West, even royals prostrated before the holiness. And after absolute monarchy ended, Europeans did quite nicely with non-monarchists, like white “Smilin Joe” Stalin who also commanded total obedience and racked up body counts in the multiple millions against those who did not toe the line.

    As for human sacrifice, it appears extensively in Europe as books like Dying for the Gods: Human Sacrifice in Iron Age & Roman Europe- 2001 show in detail. White people did well executing alleged “witches” too. Some 100,000 people were put to death over 3 centuries for “witchery” in Europe, mostly women (Anne Barstow, Witchcraze 1994.) As late as 1782, the “sensible Swiss” executed 2 women with “inflamed eyes” for allegedly “bewitching their neighbours’ cattle.” (Witchcraft and Magic in Europe, Volume 5: Bengt Ankarloo, ‎Stuart Clark – 1999)

    .
    Oba of Benin was an absolute monarch who could command anything he wished with the knowledge that he would instantly be obeyed”, how his “time was taken up by countless ceremonies and sacrifices and by his harem of a hundred or more wives”, how anyone who questioned the divinity of the monarch “was executed as a heretic”—all of these being uncritically presented as if they were natural features of political life.

    Again noting unusual among white monarchists or dictators. Some white kings for example did the Oba better. They married a wife then arranged for her execution, so they could marry another. Then there are all the absolute monarchies of Europe- France is just one example in the absolutist and medieval eras. Books like In the King’s Wake: Post-Absolutist Culture in France, or The Age of Absolutism (Max Beloff – 2013 )and others similar items on European absolutism, show plenty of absolutism, plenty of wives and mistresses mixing and mingling, and plenty of executions for questioning the king. For example, over the course of his reign, white king of England Charles II had 12 illegitimate children born from seven women.

  360. Truth says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    One thing that I have learned over the past few years (I can’t remember who said it originally, it is truly brilliant) is that there is not such thing as an athiest.

    Everyone has a space for God, but not everyone fills it with God. Some people worship money, some people worship acclaim, some sex, some “science”, etc. but every “atheist has a “supreme being.”

    Jazzy, I am not talking down to you about Hitler, nor is it a small, insignificant point. A lot of my so-called, liberal friends used to go on about how much they hated Boy George for all of those people he “killed” in Iraq. He killed no one, all he did was suggest to some others that they kill someone, and they agreed. Now, Boy George has probably slit the occasional throat at Bohemian Grove, but therer is no official record of his mass murder.

    I am sure much of the German high-society accepted Schikelgruber and his views. “We are the greatest and should be unchallenged” is one of the primal views of man. Just read this site. Ultimately this is where LEGITIMATE worship of a higher power comes in. It is the best way to keep one’s ego in check.

    • Replies: @Talha
  361. Truth says:
    @joef

    Thanks… unfortunately, I do not know peace… I am always waiting for the shoe to drop from a leftist produced debt

    Interesting.

    The presidents that have created the largest debt in America:

    1. Barry
    2. Boy George
    3. Dutch
    4. Big George.

    Now here’s where it get’s interesting; Barry’s debt was largely accumulated from Boy George’s disasters. Economists speculate that about half of his debt can be traced to the continuation of polices attributtable to Boy George, which would put him in second place.

    And the ONLY president to complete his term with a surplus, since WWII, was Slick Willie.

    https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-president-what-budget-deficits-hide-3306151

    • Replies: @joef
  362. Talha says:
    @Truth

    Excellent points!

    I think we have officially gone off-topic but I’m loving it!

    Boy George – LOL!!!

    Peace.

  363. Medvedev says:
    @Truth

    Because most Whites/Asians don’t get the idea that you’ll turn into spider-man because of spider bite.

    Blacks, on the other hand, already overconfident in their abilities with ‘we wuz kungs’ attitude despite anything substantial to support their claims. And this is especially profound in Tech industry/STEM being constantly bombarded with accusations of racism, lawsuits etc. Despite major tech corporations bending over backward to hire and promote more Blacks. Somehow it is treated by MSM as ‘fixing injustices’, not as a discrimination of Asians and Whites.

    What does Japanese/Chinese/Russian do when he fails test? He studies more until he succeeds (or gives up :). What does a Black community do? Blame everything on Whitey, White oppression, racism etc.

    truly believe that someone believes that Wakanda exists

    I don’t need to believe. Black community/SJWs already make claims and accusations based on fantasy and Hollywood movies. Django unchained? Hidden figures?
    But citing any evidence, historical data or statistics to counter their claims is RACIST!

    • Replies: @Truth
  364. @Lurker

    First cruise 1975. The planes were attached to Nimitz nonetheless. The bombs falling were over the range in Nevada. I had no idea folks were so sensitive.

  365. Truth says:
    @Medvedev

    Because most Whites/Asians don’t get the idea that you’ll turn into spider-man because of spider bite.

    And again, Vladimir, you’ve met a black person who believes that there were bullet trains in Africa 500 years ago?

    I don’t need to believe. Black community/SJWs already make claims and accusations based on fantasy and Hollywood movies. Django unchained? Hidden figures?

    And Again, Einstein, these are not claims based on fantasy, these are FANTASY BASED ON CLAIMS.

  366. joef says:
    @Truth

    Slick Willy played accounting tricks with the Soc Sec fund to make it appear that the budget was balanced. It was his AG Reno who was the genesis of the future housing crisis. This is because when she threatened lawsuits against Banks, she forced them to agree to issue sub prime loans, as an out of court settlement. This eventually led to 2008 crash. But overall economically slick willy was not as bad as most others.

    Even though Bush2 was no bargain, Barry increased the debt more then any other president prior to him, so he was not exactly innocent in all this.

    Dutch allowed the Dems to have their way in bipartisan fashion, letting them have their welfare state spending (for votes), while Republicans had their defense spending (to win the cold war). Reagan believed in two things: we will grow our way out of debt, and once the cold war was over, that we would have a peacetime dividend, and cut defense spending accordingly.

    Under Bush one, neither did happen, as the corporatist, and neocons, took over the party, and betrayed Reagan’s legacy. The military industrial congressional complex, that Pres Eisenhower warned us about, was not about to lose a profit.

    But the genesis of this deficit spending run amok was LBJ who believed he can simultaneously spend very large amounts on both guns (defense) and butter (welfare). He probably believed it was temporary at the time. However politicians were addicted to the new easy money spending habits, and worrying about it later. They treated the economy like a used car since; never fixing it, just passing it to the next owner… well aware of the political truth that the leader holding the bag when it breaks, is the one held responsible for it (not the one who actually caused it).

    Keynesian Economics basically states during a economic slowdown you are to increase govt spending, and reduce taxes, in an attempt to stimulate the economy. When the economy recovers then govt is to reduce spending, and increase taxes in order to reduce/eliminate the debt.

    In modern Democrat politics they take the HALF Keynesian approach to the economy: raise taxes & raise govt spending in good times and bad (and wonder why the debt is growing). It is fashionable to believe that Defense spending is the only culprit in this, but if you check the Govt Accounting Office (GAO), it would show that this accounts for 17% of the Federal budget (and none of the local govt budget). So the national debt story is much bigger than just reducing defense spending.

  367. @Simply Simon

    Ooooh! You were there! Wow! So, the KA6 would carry 26,000 lbs of fuel in tanker config, full bag, five 2000 lb tanks, one to a station. Bomb-loading can be 20,000lbs if loading the centerline (belly) position with the appropriate weapons, 18,000 if carrying a centerline tank with fuel. I stand corrected. You an ordie? Pilot? With my hideous mistake on ordinance-loading, you probably don’t wish to fly my seats? Heh..

    Well done, Sailor Simon. I’m into some degree of accuracy, too. Fair winds, following seas, all that stuff. You da bomb.

  368. joef says:
    @Talha

    Thank you for your comments, but it is hard to be optimistic when I clearly see us collectively driving towards the cliff (in my humble opinion); and the massive amount of potential human suffering (of all races) that it will entail. Hope in God’s mercy is a very good thing, and I am glad you have it, so don’t let go of it, for we need it in what I see as the troubled times ahead (providing we do not change our course), and its aftermath. But like many people, while not giving up, I struggle with it, especially in trying to do the right thing in an insane & hostile world (with very mixed results). And if I am correct, the real rough stuff hasn’t even happened yet. I hope you keep safe for whatever times are ahead.

  369. @Truth

    What if you’re rooting for Lex Luthor?

    • Replies: @Truth
  370. @Talha

    “Some…thought he was a ghost and ran away…” That’s what happens to me when I try and pick up hoes on the South Side.

  371. Truth, my dear “Truth”, is, to quote Nicholson, something YOU can’t HANDLE. Enjoy your fantasy delusion for a spell.

    • Replies: @Talha
  372. Talha says:
    @Sooka Muhdeeik

    Enjoy your fantasy delusion for a spell.

    Yo Truth, I think homie’s offering you free tickets to Black Panther. I’m in if you’ve got a two-fer and if you are buying chicken and waffles afterwards. I’ll bring the watermelon.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Truth
  373. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Do not put your hopes in this dunya (world)

    Indeed. As they say: Duniya ne hum ko diya kya? Duniya se hum ne liya kya?

    • Replies: @Talha
  374. Talha says:
    @Anon

    In answer to the questions; 1) not much and 2) not much. It’ll be apparent once one is lowered into their grave.

    Peace.

  375. Truth says:
    @Talha

    For a ticket and free C&W I’d probably hang out with him!

    • Replies: @Talha
  376. Frackaway says:

    I watched the torrent download last night using the really fast forward button, ughhh it was bad. I knew the minute they starting touting this fantastical bomb that there was agenda (beyond Hollywood’s desperation to get people back to the theater). Anyways great article and even better site, glad I found it. Thanks.

  377. Talha says:
    @Truth

    Some people definitely going overboard with it:
    Black Panther Deserves to Be Worshipped

    https://themuse.jezebel.com/black-panther-deserves-to-be-worshipped-1823075594

    • Replies: @Truth
  378. Truth says:
    @Talha

    More simpleton Masonic nonsense. “Worshipped” is the dead give-away.

    Two sets of dummies creating fake oposition, and godly balasphemy for strife. Two more sets of dummies, again on either side of the fake issue, buying into the myth that this silly comic-book movie is more significant than the other silly comic-book movies.

    Nothing interesting to see here, just good joke potential.

    • Agree: Talha
  379. flea says:

    I wholly agree, but you left out the inflated box office take, I’m no financial expert, but BP was the first Marvel movie I have been to on opening night with empty seats, plus word of mouth was not good, and it seemed 3 hours long. It wasn’t a terrible movie, it was good, but not nearly as grand as the world media wants you to believe. I actually watched interviews, some people actually believe there is a Wakanda.

  380. @Talha

    Ah yes- the talentless ‘rappers’ (redundant, I know) known as Public Assistance. My favorite is their album titled “It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Up”

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