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U.S. Secretary of Defense Carter and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Dempsey testify during a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on Capitol Hill in Washington
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Secretary of War Ash Carter is concerned about America’s posture. No, it’s not about sitting with your back straight up and your knees placed primly together. It all has to do with how many enemies there are out there threatening the United States and what we have to do, globally speaking, to make them cry uncle. Ash outlined his views at a “posture hearing” before the Senate Armed Services Committee on March 17th, part of a process intended to give still more money to the Pentagon, $582.7 billion to be exact for fiscal year 2017.

I respect Ash at least a bit because he once studied Medieval History at Yale, though he apparently has forgotten about the Hundred Years War and the War of the Roses. Both devastated winners and losers alike, a salutary lesson for those who are concerned about what the United States has been up to for the past fifteen years. Yet Ash, who is characteristically no veteran and for whom war is an abstraction that must be supported by counting and piling up sufficient beans, thinks that more is always better when it comes to having fancy new toys to play with. Since his proposed budget will be giving the Navy a few tens of billions worth of Ohio class subs the Air Force will have to get its own strategic bombers so no one will feel cheated. Just wait until the bill from the Army comes in.

Ash justified all the needless spending by telling the Senators that there are five “security challenges” confronting the United States – terrorism, North Korea, China, Russia and Iran – before lapsing into Pentagon-speak about why more money is always better than less money. He attacked any attempt at sequestration, which would require budget cuts across the board, because it risks the “funding of critical investments.”

If you thought that investments were something financial services guys do you would be wrong. The War Department also knows all about it and also can generate “new posture in some regions” with all that extra cash. Why? To “protect the homeland,” of course, and to “have the ability to ensure that anyone who starts a conflict with us will regret doing so.”

Ash possibly could have benefited from having his historian hat on during his testimony as he might thereby recall that the last “anyone” to initiate a war with the U.S. was the Empire of Japan in 1941. Every other conflict since that time was started by the United States.

Carter also elaborated to the Senators on his enemies list. No one would dispute that North Korea poses a regional and possibly even greater threat if it does indeed possess the chemical, biological and nuclear weapons that it claims to have and the ability to deliver them, which can be challenged. Its unbalanced leader Kim Jong-un, who reminds one of Dick Cheney, appears capable of just about anything and steps taken in coordination with Japan, South Korea and China to minimize the threat are undeniably welcome. But even in a worst case scenario, Pyongyang does not threaten the United States.

Terrorism also is a transnational security issue but the actual threat that it represents for Europeans and Americans has been greatly exaggerated. It cannot do serious damage to the U.S. In fact, the United States would be less endangered by ISIS and al-Qaeda if its soldiers were not “over there” destabilizing existing governments and creating power vacuums that militants are able to exploit. The Middle East and South Asia would be better off today if the United States had never intervened in the first place but Ash seems to embrace a standardized official U.S. government vision of a menacing status quo that extends well beyond the near future (“over the horizon threats” being a favorite Pentagon phrase when you run out of things to say).

And then there are China and Russia, which, per Ash, are developing and continuing to “advance military systems that seek to threaten U.S. advantages in specific areas.” Which means that Washington must always be superior to everyone everywhere and in every way. It is a formula that previous empires more realistically did not aspire to and is a sure road to financial ruin for the American taxpayer.

Ash favors a “strong and balanced approach to deter Russian aggression” while also citing a China that is “behaving aggressively.” And there is always Iran, which is demonstrating “reckless and destabilizing behavior” manifesting as aggression, as well as “malign” influence and threatening Washington’s upholding its “ironclad commitments” to Israel.

That Russia, China and Iran are portrayed as serious threats to the United States because of what they are doing in Eastern Europe, the South China Sea and in the Persian Gulf region is ridiculous, but it unfortunately passes for foreign policy consensus in Washington both for neoconservatives and for democracy promoting interventionists like Carter. In reality Russia reacted to American interference in Ukraine, China is involved in regional disputes that have been playing out since the end of the Vietnam War and a non-nuclear Iran is surrounded by enemies. None of them threatens the U.S.

Unfortunately, Ash Carter is not alone in his blustering. Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Marine General Joseph Dunford, often described as an intellectual officer, supported his boss at the briefing, asserting that Congress must adequately fund “a bow wave of procurement requirements.” More ships, more planes, more high tech wizardry for the Army. All in spite of the fact that the U.S. military capabilities already exceed the resources of all potential adversaries combined.

NATO’s top military commander U.S. Air Force general Philip Breedlove also briefed Congress last month, telling the Senate committee that Russia is a long term threat to the United States. It is “eager to exert unquestioned influence over neighboring countries,” having used military force to violate the “sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine, Georgia and others like Moldova.”

How exactly does that threaten the United States even if it were true, which is debatable? Breedlove, a pilot who has never experienced combat, explains “Russia seeks to re-establish a leading role on the world stage” but adds reassuringly that he is working hard with NATO allies, “deterring Russia now and preparing to fight and win if necessary.”

One can be excused if a slip of the tongue sometimes confuses Breedlove with Strangelove. With airheads like Breedlove in charge every American can no doubt sleep better tonight, but one has to wonder what motivates officers like him to go in search of enemies where no enemies exist. Russia is not capable either economically or militarily to revert to being the Soviet Union. There is absolutely no evidence that Moscow is seeking to invade any of its Eastern European neighbors and its belief that NATO is aimed at it and is a threat is all too real, as Breedlove reveals. And Russia’s intervention in Syria against ISIS was positive, most observers would agree. Everyone seems to understand all of that but Breedlove and, more importantly, the folks in Washington and NATO who want to keep the cash flowing. To accomplish that an enemy is needed and as enemies go the bigger the better.

Readers of this piece have no doubt noted that I have been referring to the Department of War rather than the post-World War 2 euphemism “Defense.” That is because what the United States actually does globally through its African, European, Pacific and Southern “Commands” has little to do with what anyone would plausibly define as defense. If we are waging war on much of the world ostensibly based on a whole bundle of poorly conceived interests but mostly just to prove that we can it is perhaps beyond time to be frank about what we call it.

 
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  1. Priss Factor [AKA "Dominique Francon Society"] says: • Website

    Department of SchWARz.

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  2. the “defense budget’ no longer has anything to do with “national security”. It is a device for pumping c. 800 billion debtbucks/year (counting Black Budget) into this or that congresscritter’s state/district. Increasingly, procured weapons will resemble the F-35: a super hi-tech, almost self-aware fighterbomber that cannot fight or bomb, but can and will allocate $1,000,000,000,000 debtbucks before it dies happily, with mission fulfilled

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    • Agree: John Jeremiah Smith
    • Replies: @annamaria
    These two loudspeaker for war profiteers - Carter and Breedlove, both of whom have never been in combat - have been making the world more dangerous for everything living. The climate of mistrust and bullying could lead to devastating consequences world-wide.
    , @stickman
    Those Congre$$critters are almost to a man or woman, subject to a constant stream of either blackmail or bribery. Dennis Hastert was a prime case in point of the former. This is also true in the higher reaches of the bureaucracy and the military. That is perhaps the major reason why the age of consent is set illogically high in most jurisdictions. The bankster cabal needs to maintain control. Bribery alone does not ensure absolute ownership as was the case with Hastert. He rose to Congressional heights because the fringe on top had dirt.
  3. The USA spends 4-8% of its GDP on what is laughably called “national security”, depending on if you count just the Pentagon budget or total national security spending. For example, the Dept of Energy pays for nuclear weapons, the VA pays for military disability costs, and the Dept. of Treasury pays some $30 billion a year in military retirement costs. Then there is the annual OCO “war” slush fund of up to $100 billion. Total costs are over a trillion dollars a year.

    From my blog:

    Jan 1, 2015 – Enemies Everywhere

    In the year 2014 new “enemies” were introduced to the American people. ISIS appeared from nowhere. Friendly Russia was demonized and brought out of retirement. American forces discovered several new enemies in Africa. In 1919, historian Joseph Schumpeter’s book, Imperialism and Social Classes, described ancient Rome in a way that sounds eerily like the United States today:

    “There was no corner of the known world where some interest was not alleged to be in danger or under actual attack. If the interests were not Roman, they were those of Rome’s allies; and if Rome had no allies, the allies would be invented. When it was utterly impossible to contrive such an interest — why, then it was the national honor that had been insulted. The fight was always invested with an aura of legality. Rome was always being attacked by evil-minded neighbors. The whole world was pervaded by a host of enemies; it was manifestly Rome’s duty to guard against their indubitably aggressive designs.”

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    • Agree: Kiza, Rurik
    • Replies: @Kiza
    I always thought that Joseph Schumpeter was actually describing US not Rome, even in the year 1919.

    A trillion here, a trillion there, pretty soon, you're talking real money (as per Mr Dirksen).

    Lucky Extra-Terrestrials, that they have not discovered this poor, miserable planet yet. Otherwise the US Military Industrial Propaganda Complex would have quickly found a way to make them into a threat (I guarantee they would not be democratic enough). Imagine the size of that budget!!!!!!!

    I feel a bit sorry for the good 'muricans and there are a few (especially Mr Giraldi), but I am glad that the US is doing what it is doing - that is rushing toward bankruptcy like a run-away train. This madness has to end somehow and at some point. And it better end in a total financial collapse then in a nuclear annihilation of humankind.

    Therefore, dear 'muricans, keep arming yourselves to destroy the Milky Way and beyond. The universe is said to have at least one hundred billion galaxies, what an opportunity to find new enemies!

    , @Lost american
    Excellent. Around latter part of 2010 was it that our combat role in Iraq was declared to be over and now we had Operation New Dawn and next thing I know is that Clinton is bashing Egypt, and NATO bombs are falling from NATO planes all over North Africa and parts of the Mideast, and drones are killing our "enemies". Then in the past three years or so we are declaring Russia our enemy and even though most of our factories are in China we are now calling China a threat. But the Russia thing is just bizarre (even though well planned).
    Having observed the military up close I would say the majority of Generals and Admirals are ass kissers, careerist or "lifers" as we called them in 60s (USMC Vietnam days), and these careerists would surely not care if we are killed if we the people interfered with their career plans because THEIR kids have to go to the best colleges and when they retire these Generals (and Colonels) WILL get good jobs so don't mess with THEIR comfort levels.
    But for this Marine general to say Russia is our biggest threat shows that he is a stooge of the money people or he could just be plain stupid about what really goes on in the world.
    I would have to say that our national defense really means our financial system.
    I am totally unwilling to sacrifice teenagers in wars for the sake of the financial system which is the creation of monsters who think nothing of putting new immigrants by the millions on welfare.
    Many times over the past fourteen years I have grieved and wondered why is it the home growns of America always dying in wars created by these rich , scheming animals (low level psychopaths)- most of the infantry deaths are the sons of those from the European heritage), and many are the sons and now daughters of those who have had their roots in America for many years and are the kids of African Americans , Asians , and of course those of European heritage. The Spanish who they vary widely throughout the world are the children of ancestors of European heritage.
    , @USAMNESIA
    Heard in passing recently;

    “The pretense in disputed elections is that the great conflict is between the two major parties. The reality is that there is a much bigger conflict that the two parties jointly wage against large numbers of Americans who are represented by neither party and against powerless millions around the world.”
  4. Totally unimportant nitpick, good only for interrupting your rhetorical flow in debate: it was not the Empire of Japan that was the last to initiate a war with the US but its Axis partner Germany after the attack on Pearl Harbour.

    And I ask, because someone willing to reply is bound to know, did the US have troops already in South Korea when the North invaded the South? (which is my recollection of the way the Korean War began).

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    • Replies: @bondo
    the south invaded the north
    , @Diversity Heretic
    There were no U.S. troops in South Korea when the North attacked. There had even been some diplomatic publications that suggested that South Korea would not be defended by U.S. troops. The initial U.S. intervention (Task Force Smith) was a disaster. The defense of the Pusan Perimeter was a very near-run thing.

    It is true that Germany declared war against the U.S. on or about December 11, 1941. U.S. Navy warships had, however, been attacking German U-boots in the Atlantic for some time, and even got torpedoed for their trouble.
    , @ISmellBagels
    I smell something yiddish.
    , @Fidelios Automata
    Yes, a great article by Phil, and I'll add another nitpick.
    Japan attacked the US primarily because of FDR's scheming to goad it into attacking, as documented by Robert Stinett in "Day of Deceit."
    , @Tom Welsh
    I too was rather impressed that Hitler personally chose to declare war on the USA, in support of his ally Japan. He had absolutely no other reason to saddle himself with another huge and powerful enemy. Whereas the USA, having egged Britain and France into war with Germany, then reneged on its implicit promise to help them and remained neutral for the next 27 months while France was conquered and Britain underwent a near-death experience, Hitler came to Japan's aid in less than a week. (The US government then took the farcical step of "declaring war" on Germany, so people could say they had done so later).

    As for Korea, it is a little known fact that many of the North Korean forces had distinguished themselves in the war for freedom against Japanese occupation. After the war some guys in an office in Washington, who had never been near Asia, drew an arbitrary line on the map of Korea and that was where North Korea was supposed to begin. As in Vietnam, the horrid communist invaders were largely motivated by a simple desire to reunite their country. Just like Abraham Lincoln, come to think of it.
    , @stickman
    Wiz: You might want to read John Toland's "Infamy". He makes the case that in order to fulfill his obligations to his bankster masters in City of London FDR, along with his co-conspirators Admiral King and General Marshall, deliberately withheld intelligence on the Japanese attack garnered by US codebusters. Reason why Japan attacked Pearl Harbor was that along with the British and the Dutch, the U$ cut off Japanese supplies of oil and iron ore and scrap iron. Engaged in a huge invasion of China and possessing no native sources of these essentials, the Japanese saw no other out than attempting to wipe out the U$ Pacific Fleet at Pearl.
  5. Mark Green says: • Website

    Good one, Philip. And thank you for sitting through yet another dreary spectacle. Yes, the Military Industrial Complex is alive and well. Too much so. Therefore, it’s definitely time to both re-name it as well as scale back the ‘War Department’. Truth in advertising, please!

    After all, not only has the US been either provoking, attacking, or needlessly sticking its nose into distant, regional feuds for decades, it’s now achieved ‘hyperpower’ military capabilities. We can vaporize any spot on earth in less than an hour.

    Washington’s unique military power (and its eagerness to use it) has become a force for worldwide destabilization–not a ‘force for good’ as advertised during many sports competitions. Worse still, our glorious leaders have conferred upon themselves the ‘right of preemption’. American exceptionalism has run amok. This is a criminal mindset.

    Time to trim a few hundred billions dollars of fat out of the Pentagon’s budget for Weapons of Mass Destruction, don’t you think?

    And while we’re at it, lets trim a few billion more from that pro-democracy Jihad they’ve been running out of Washington since Clinton. The world will be a safer place.

    Washington’s bomb-dropping commitment’ to global ‘freedom and democracy’ has become a plague on humanity. Let’s hope that those responsible for this lethal lawlessness will someday face a judge and jury of their peers.

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  6. Since the U.S. has a Department of Homeland Security, the Department of “Defense” should be renamed the Department of Extraterritorial Aggression, or perhaps the Department of Empire Maintenance and Expansion.

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    • Replies: @stickman
    Close: See my various comments. It would be the Department of WarDefense. The Empire is NOT American, though the cutting edge happens to be the banksters' #1 Pitbull Terrier, the U$ puppet regime's military. America was overthrown as a Republic by the unlawful passage of the "Federal" Reserve Act by a rump Congre$$ of Con$pirators and promptly signed on by a blackmailed President Wilson on Christmas Eve, 1913. It is all about defending the biggest moneymaker for the ruling banksters ~ the WarDefense industry.
    , @PokeTheTruth
    Department of War works for me and defense contractors are "weapons" contractors. The U.S. military is a caldron of militarism hidden behind the political ideologue of neoconservatism.

    The American people's conscience must be shaken awake to see through the veil of false threats to further the Pentagon's agenda of being on a constant war footing which drains the U.S. Treasury of funds desperately needed to shore up the basic infrastructure of the country.
  7. bondo says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Totally unimportant nitpick, good only for interrupting your rhetorical flow in debate: it was not the Empire of Japan that was the last to initiate a war with the US but its Axis partner Germany after the attack on Pearl Harbour.

    And I ask, because someone willing to reply is bound to know, did the US have troops already in South Korea when the North invaded the South? (which is my recollection of the way the Korean War began).

    the south invaded the north

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Well you've got a big job ahead of you editing Wikipedia!

    Try Googling "how did the Korean War start?"

    The detailed answer is the opposite of yours.
  8. bondo says:

    and
    just who are these characters who have turned america into amurderka
    who want mom-pop/trailer park/walmart america to see everything as an existential threat
    and
    not just to see an existential threat everywhere
    but
    to actively, secretly, plan, plot, create, enact these existential threats
    who are the beneficiaries.
    not the amish.
    not the white couple in kansas.
    not blacks.
    not muslims.
    not nationalists: white, black, brown, red.

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    • Replies: @ISmellBagels
    Yeah, who could it be [tapping cheek, eyes rolled up]?
    , @Lost american
    yes indeed, bondo
    not me

    who are the beneficiaries
    and why do they need so much
  9. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:

    And it appears that Ash has ALREADY begun trying to justify this lining of the MIC’s pockets and trying to give reason to the NeoCon war agenda by sending equipment to Iraq and moving American Soldiers into harms way as is shown by the article which I’ve posted below about Ash’s comments yesterday. As one of the posters on the article put it, “The Iraqi army is having a fire sale on American M-4′s, never fired and only dropped once.”

    BAGHDAD (AP) — The U.S. has agreed to deploy more than 200 additional troops to Iraq and to send eight Apache helicopters for the first time into the fight against the Islamic State group in Iraq, the first major increase in U.S. forces in nearly a year, U.S. defense officials said Monday.

    The uptick in American fighting forces — and the decision to put them closer to the front lines — is designed to help Iraqi forces as they move to retake the key northern city of Mosul.

    Speaking to reporters Monday in Baghdad, Defense Secretary Ash Carter said the decision to move U.S. advisers to the Iraqi brigade and battalion level will put them “closer to the action,” but he said they will have security forces with them and the U.S. will do what’s needed to reduce the risks.

    A senior U.S. official said there will be eight Apache helicopters authorized to help the Iraqi forces when Iraq leaders determine they need them. The official was not authorized to discuss the numbers publicly so spoke on condition of anonymity.

    The advise-and-assist teams — made up of about a dozen troops each — would embed with Iraqi brigades and battalions, likely putting them closer to the front lines and at greater risk from mortars and rocket fire.

    Until now, U.S. advisers have worked with the Iraqis at the headquarters level, well back from the front lines.

    Carter called the addition of the Apache helicopters significant, because they can “respond so quickly and so dynamically to an evolving tactical situation.”

    Speaking to U.S. troops at the airport in Baghdad, Carter also said that the U.S. will send an additional long-range, rocket-assisted artillery system to Iraq.

    U.S. officials have also said that the number of special operations forces in Syria would be increased at some point, but Carter did not mention that in his comments.

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/3327956a32d7485a86725e141caa0b3b/carter-arrives-iraq-talks-how-beef-fight

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  10. @bondo
    the south invaded the north

    Well you’ve got a big job ahead of you editing Wikipedia!

    Try Googling “how did the Korean War start?”

    The detailed answer is the opposite of yours.

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    • Replies: @bondo
    believe wiki at your peril
    the lies are in the details
    same with lies of the 28 pages.
    amurderka the liar.
    find a truth in u.s. wars from u.s. mouths
    south korea as lunatic as israel
    , @bondo
    cant find article few years back by military historian.
    this is sorta close

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2013/07/28/who-really-started-the-korean-war/
  11. bondo says:

    strange
    one comment has an edit time nearly one hour-seems to increase?
    other comment hasnt appeared … yet. maybe later?

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  12. alexander says:

    Our national security apparatus has become so unhinged from reality..so committed to fraud…so under the yolk of the neocon mindset…it is a complete travesty to watch…and a complete tragedy for our Nation’s balance sheet.

    Our military contractors addiction to war profiteering has let open the Pandora’s box of evil.

    The idea that we are actively engaged in fabricating pretext’s of conflict…merely to spend the taxpayers money in engaging them, has to be the very lowest point in our nation’s history.

    Bearing witness to this transformation is nothing less than then the equivalent of watching Sergeant York “morphing” into Son of Sam.

    Let us consider for a moment, Afghanistan,.we have been there almost 16 years and what have we accomplished ?….Nothing.

    It seems the truth of the matter is that we are there, merely to spend the taxpayers money being there, and nothing more.

    All our traditional notions of War, as having a clear purpose, as having a beginning and an end,have been completely displaced by the Neocon concept of constantly inventing pretexts and conditions for wars continual perpetuation.

    For the Neocons..winning a war is actually making sure the war is never won at all.

    How much more sinister does it get then that ?

    None of our policies are designed to help anybody, just create more conflicts and pad the pockets of our war contractors, in the process.

    What is doubly evil is the very prevention, by our very own security apparatus, in letting the taxpayers (it is supposed to be protecting ), have access to its books.

    The Pentagon has refused an audit by the Government Accountability Office, for what seems like almost a decade now.

    Consequently we have no clue, how much of our trillions of hard earned taxpayer dollars are just padding the pockets of the Neocon War profiteers, and how much is actually being spent on our defense.

    No clue.

    What a mess, Mr. Giraldi.

    What a mess.

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    • Replies: @stickman
    "We" (actually the U$ puppet regime) have accomplished a lot in Afghanistan, though the accomplishments do NOT include the pipeline from the oilfields of Central Asia to the Indian Ocean which may have been objective #1. What has been accomplished has been the transfer of unimagined billions to the black-money coffers of the CIA which has controlled the world heroin industry as their chief cash-cow since early operations out of Laos and the Golden Triangle clear back in the 50's.

    Those of us who remain somewhat informed, conscious and cogent must remind ourselves that black funding for the CIA (the banksters' primary goonsquad) has enabled them to retain control over thousands of journalists worldwide, as was revealed just months ago by a former controlee who had worked for a major German publication . Primary facilitator in Dallas on 11-22-63 was none other than Daddy WarBush, who was actually photographed in front of the Texas Textbook Depository building on that infamous date.

    Control of the cocaine trade, especially that of crack dumped by agency agents with street criminals in the LA ghetto starting out, was revealed by a major Drug Enforcement Agency operative who somewhat mysteriously died not so long afterwards. The Agency had little "talks" with local police officials when they started getting too close to their "boys" in the hood.

    , @Carroll Price

    All our traditional notions of War, as having a clear purpose, as having a beginning and an end,have been completely displaced by the Neocon concept of constantly inventing pretexts and conditions for wars continual perpetuation.
     
    The most important lesson the US learned from winning WW 2 is that winning a war is a mistake, never to be repeated.
  13. bondo says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Well you've got a big job ahead of you editing Wikipedia!

    Try Googling "how did the Korean War start?"

    The detailed answer is the opposite of yours.

    believe wiki at your peril
    the lies are in the details
    same with lies of the 28 pages.
    amurderka the liar.
    find a truth in u.s. wars from u.s. mouths
    south korea as lunatic as israel

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  14. bondo says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Well you've got a big job ahead of you editing Wikipedia!

    Try Googling "how did the Korean War start?"

    The detailed answer is the opposite of yours.

    cant find article few years back by military historian.
    this is sorta close

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2013/07/28/who-really-started-the-korean-war/

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  15. @Wizard of Oz
    Totally unimportant nitpick, good only for interrupting your rhetorical flow in debate: it was not the Empire of Japan that was the last to initiate a war with the US but its Axis partner Germany after the attack on Pearl Harbour.

    And I ask, because someone willing to reply is bound to know, did the US have troops already in South Korea when the North invaded the South? (which is my recollection of the way the Korean War began).

    There were no U.S. troops in South Korea when the North attacked. There had even been some diplomatic publications that suggested that South Korea would not be defended by U.S. troops. The initial U.S. intervention (Task Force Smith) was a disaster. The defense of the Pusan Perimeter was a very near-run thing.

    It is true that Germany declared war against the U.S. on or about December 11, 1941. U.S. Navy warships had, however, been attacking German U-boots in the Atlantic for some time, and even got torpedoed for their trouble.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Ah...now you have opened up another "who really started it theme". What provocations count as equivalents to initiating wars? The Czars and Kaisers might even have complained about the UK fostering revolution against the lawful governments of their countries by harbouring seditious malcontents like Herzen and Marx.... I am sure there are better examples too - even if the Poles provocatively stealing an Enigma machine didn't count.
    , @stickman
    Though there had been a major draw-down of principal combat forces from SK, there still were small numbers of American troops in country. They were generally over-run, along with the ROKs, while some fled southwards and later were joined by TF Smith in the general rout.

    Roosevelt, who had been under full control by the City of London banksters since the time he declared the "Bank Holiday" for the U$ puppet regime in '34 or '35; was desperate to get the U$ into the war on behalf of his string-pullers and did all he could to goad the Germans into a direct attack on America or American interests or power projections. It was only effectuated on 12-7-41 when Japan (with whom the Germans had stupidly made a binding alliance) was goaded into attacking Pearl Harbor. The rest is as is written in "acceptable" history.
    , @Tom Welsh
    Well, if you're in a submarine and someone up top is trying to kill you, the finer points of international diplomacy - such as who is at war with whom - might tend to be neglected until such time as you are no longer terrified of imminent death.

    I am reminded of an apocryphal story about the naval war in the Mediterranean. Polish military and naval personnel who had escaped to Britain were, cautiously, accepted into the British armed forces under certain conditions. The story was that this British submarine was entirely crewed by Poles, with a Polish captain, and just one British officer to act as liaison and ensure fair play. Seeing an Italian warship in his periscope, the captain unhesitatingly asked for a firing solution and began preparing to attack. "I say, wait a moment old chap!" expostulated the British officer. "You do realize that Poland is not officially at war with Italy, don't you? You can't attack that ship".

    To which he received the immortal reply: "I, Tadeusz, declare war on Italy! Fire one! Fire two! Fire three!..."

  16. Kiza says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    The USA spends 4-8% of its GDP on what is laughably called "national security", depending on if you count just the Pentagon budget or total national security spending. For example, the Dept of Energy pays for nuclear weapons, the VA pays for military disability costs, and the Dept. of Treasury pays some $30 billion a year in military retirement costs. Then there is the annual OCO "war" slush fund of up to $100 billion. Total costs are over a trillion dollars a year.

    From my blog:

    Jan 1, 2015 - Enemies Everywhere

    In the year 2014 new "enemies" were introduced to the American people. ISIS appeared from nowhere. Friendly Russia was demonized and brought out of retirement. American forces discovered several new enemies in Africa. In 1919, historian Joseph Schumpeter’s book, Imperialism and Social Classes, described ancient Rome in a way that sounds eerily like the United States today:

    "There was no corner of the known world where some interest was not alleged to be in danger or under actual attack. If the interests were not Roman, they were those of Rome's allies; and if Rome had no allies, the allies would be invented. When it was utterly impossible to contrive such an interest -- why, then it was the national honor that had been insulted. The fight was always invested with an aura of legality. Rome was always being attacked by evil-minded neighbors. The whole world was pervaded by a host of enemies; it was manifestly Rome's duty to guard against their indubitably aggressive designs."

    I always thought that Joseph Schumpeter was actually describing US not Rome, even in the year 1919.

    A trillion here, a trillion there, pretty soon, you’re talking real money (as per Mr Dirksen).

    Lucky Extra-Terrestrials, that they have not discovered this poor, miserable planet yet. Otherwise the US Military Industrial Propaganda Complex would have quickly found a way to make them into a threat (I guarantee they would not be democratic enough). Imagine the size of that budget!!!!!!!

    I feel a bit sorry for the good ‘muricans and there are a few (especially Mr Giraldi), but I am glad that the US is doing what it is doing – that is rushing toward bankruptcy like a run-away train. This madness has to end somehow and at some point. And it better end in a total financial collapse then in a nuclear annihilation of humankind.

    Therefore, dear ‘muricans, keep arming yourselves to destroy the Milky Way and beyond. The universe is said to have at least one hundred billion galaxies, what an opportunity to find new enemies!

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    • Replies: @Junior

    Lucky Extra-Terrestrials, that they have not discovered this poor, miserable planet yet. Otherwise the US Military Industrial Propaganda Complex would have quickly found a way to make them into a threat
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQxzWpy7PKg
    , @stickman
    Nice take. Particularly your boldface statement.
  17. annamaria says:
    @Haxo Angmark
    the "defense budget' no longer has anything to do with "national security". It is a device for pumping c. 800 billion debtbucks/year (counting Black Budget) into this or that congresscritter's state/district. Increasingly, procured weapons will resemble the F-35: a super hi-tech, almost self-aware fighterbomber that cannot fight or bomb, but can and will allocate $1,000,000,000,000 debtbucks before it dies happily, with mission fulfilled

    These two loudspeaker for war profiteers – Carter and Breedlove, both of whom have never been in combat – have been making the world more dangerous for everything living. The climate of mistrust and bullying could lead to devastating consequences world-wide.

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  18. conatus says:

    I ‘ll repeat myself:
    Wikipedia has an entry:
    “Military Expenditures by Country” where you can see how much the US spends to ‘keep us safe’

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

    We owe 19 trillion dollars yet we spend more than the next 8 countries combined.
    Yeah there are a lot of jobs connected with this activity and to stop it cold would cause a recession but do we really need to spend that much? Why is our middle class taxed to keep the sea lanes safe to transport the very goods, from other countries, that causes that very same middle class to lose their job to offshoring?

    There is a TV series presently on Netflix titled “Occupied” where the Russians worm their way into Norway and ‘horrors of horrors’ occupy the country, over energy issues.
    We are appalled at this Russian dismissing of Norway’s sovereignty.
    But how about the 36,000 American troops we maintain on German soil 72 years after the end of World War II? Is it time to give the Germans back some precious sovereignty? Does anyone really think the Germans are making international decisions without regard to the presence of 36,000 US soldiers on their soil?

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    • Agree: Carroll Price
    • Replies: @alexander
    Conatus,

    your comment :


    "yeah, there are a lot of jobs connected to this activity and to stop it might cause a recession..."

    Bingo,and not quite bingo.

    In so many ways the taxpayers have been "mouse trapped" into this perpetual war overspending, and the "jobs" it has created....how do we walk it back ? Right ?

    First off, we need to separate the wheat from the chaff.......since most of the books remain unaudited.....we have no way to determine how much our war spending translates into pure profits for the oligarchs at the top....and how much is actual job creation.

    Lets take a predator drone, if the costs to manufacture one predator drone is one million dollars, yet the taxpayer is billed 10 million.....this translates in 9 million dollars in pure profits for the CEO's....and a tenth of that(or less) in job creation for the nation.

    There is no way for us to know,where the money is going,.... how padded our bills are,..... and how efficient the system is..

    Likewise, when we engage in wars halfway across the planet, the very remoteness of the conflict lends itself to an absence in accountability......How is it possible, to determine what is spent for what, and when...when the guys running the books are the very same guys who created the bogus rationale for the conflict in the first place.

    We could all be getting totally ripped off, every which way til Sunday..and nobody would know it ...It is all opaque.

    We do have a real sense that the vast majority of the nations wealth has been herded into the pockets of the .o1 percent, that's for sure, and the culture of impunity, that reigns in Washington, seems to guarantee a virtual lock on a "get out of jail free" pass, no matter how deep the graft and corruption goes.

    The whole Neocon system seems designed to perpetuate fraud and abuse, and the humongous national debt they created ,seems the truest testimony to that fact, there is.

    What a travesty.
    , @stickman
    Regarding the loss of jobs and a possible recession you indicate: When the military is reduced to an actual defense force; we will need something akin to a CCC camp solution for all the now jobless military cadre. What with millions of Americans unemployed and other millions rotting away in the prison-industrial complex and what with a badly decayed infrastructure (most particularly passenger rail where we trail ALL industrialized countries) ; we could use for a massive national reconstruction effort which would duly employ those trained cadres to oversee masses of badly miseducated and physically suburbanized Americans.

    Those who would lose their jobs in the WarDefense industry are generally technically educated and highly skilled individuals who could be given grants (from monies repatriated from the owners of the Federal Reserve Bank) to develop new industries for the post-carbon age and new communities for strapped sub-Urbanites.

    We CAN rebuild an America which does not revolve around the WarDefense industry and a government totally corrupted by the bankster stringpullers.
  19. Rehmat says:

    Mr. Giraldi – I’m sure you know Ash Carter is an Israeli agent at the Pentagon.

    Carter is known ‘hawkish’ when in comes to US foreign policy towards Iran, Syria, Somalia, Pakistan, N. Korea, China – and even Russia.

    During his 2013 visit to Israel, Carter told Jewish soldiers with the Oketz Canine Unit that “protecting America means protecting Israel.”

    Carter along with Dennis Ross and Michael Makovsky, head of Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, is the author of the Carter-Makovsky-Ross report which claims that Iran’s nuclear program is a great threat to America’s global interests.

    On December 4, The Times of Israel that in 2008, Carter also suggested that he saw little strategic difference between the cost to the US of an Israeli strike against Iran rather than a US-led attack. “Even if the United States had no complicity in or knowledge of an Israeli strike, few people on the street throughout the Middle East would believe it,” he warned. “It would also be a challenge for the United States to prove to the Europeans, Russians, Chinese, and others outside the region that are key to any kind of lasting settlement with Iran that it had nothing to do with the attack. The costs to the United States of an Israeli strike on Iran’s nuclear program might therefore be almost as large as the costs of a US strike.”

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/12/05/ashton-carter-the-kosher-gentile-to-head-pentagon/

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  20. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @Kiza
    I always thought that Joseph Schumpeter was actually describing US not Rome, even in the year 1919.

    A trillion here, a trillion there, pretty soon, you're talking real money (as per Mr Dirksen).

    Lucky Extra-Terrestrials, that they have not discovered this poor, miserable planet yet. Otherwise the US Military Industrial Propaganda Complex would have quickly found a way to make them into a threat (I guarantee they would not be democratic enough). Imagine the size of that budget!!!!!!!

    I feel a bit sorry for the good 'muricans and there are a few (especially Mr Giraldi), but I am glad that the US is doing what it is doing - that is rushing toward bankruptcy like a run-away train. This madness has to end somehow and at some point. And it better end in a total financial collapse then in a nuclear annihilation of humankind.

    Therefore, dear 'muricans, keep arming yourselves to destroy the Milky Way and beyond. The universe is said to have at least one hundred billion galaxies, what an opportunity to find new enemies!

    Lucky Extra-Terrestrials, that they have not discovered this poor, miserable planet yet. Otherwise the US Military Industrial Propaganda Complex would have quickly found a way to make them into a threat

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    • Replies: @Kiza
    I forgot to write, Jr, that ETs would be found a threat after travelling tens, hundreds or billions of light years to this planet because, yeah, that makes a lot of sense: go on a trip like that just to include some stone-age aborigines obsessed with the power of their nuclear weapons into their empire.

    Tough chance that ETs would be found democratic enough or supportive of Israel enough not to present a threat. But as Mr Reagan says, such travelers would be an opportunity to impose the US model of "defense" on all citizens of planet Earth - it would unite us, he kept repeating.

    Did I mention that Putin is actually reducing the Russia's military budget by 5% in 2016, to avoid a budget imbalance due to low price of oil? No wonder Russia is such a military threat, lo and behold imagine if 'murican citizens got a similar idea - to want to balance the national budget by cutting military expenditure.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-defense-budget-idUSKCN0W80TL

    , @RobinG
    Jr., did you post a link somewhere to a BBC documentary on the USS Liberty, or is that my imagination? If it was you, could you post the link here? Thanks.
  21. Agent76 says:

    “Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty.” George Washington

    December 25, 2015 Homeland Defense: The Pentagon Declares War on America

    State Terrorism directed against the American People and Democracy Itself. The Department of Defense now authorizes the domestic deployment of US troops in “the conduct of operations other than war” including law enforcement activities and the quelling of “civil disturbances”: “Federal military commanders have the authority, in extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the President is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances…“

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/homeland-defense-the-pentagon-declares-war-on-america/5335483

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    • Replies: @stickman
    Those top generals and admirals who run the War establishment, got their high ranks primarily via the color of their noses and their susceptibility to honeypot blackmail ~ frequently in violation of illogical age of consent laws ala Dennis Has-Dirt. What i would like to see within the military is massive arrests of these malefactors by lower ranking officers and experienced cadre from within the enlisted ranks. Then they would likely march on Washington and Wall Street and clean house.
  22. Agent76 says:

    September 17, 2014 US Pursues *134** Wars Around the World

    The US is now involved in *134* wars or none, depending on your definition of war …The White House spent much of last week trying to figure out if the word “war” was the right one to describe its military actions against the Islamic State.

    http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/35654/US-Pursues-134-Wars-Around-the-World/

    December 24, 2013 The Worldwide Network of US Military Bases The Global Deployment of US Military Personnel

    The US Military has bases in *63* countries. Brand new military bases have been built since September 11, 2001 in seven countries. In total, there are 255,065 US military personnel deployed Worldwide. These facilities include a total of 845,441 different buildings and equipments. The underlying land surface is of the order of *30* million acres. According to Gelman, who examined 2005 official Pentagon data, the US is thought to own a total of *737* bases in foreign lands. Adding to the bases inside U.S. territory, the total land area occupied by US military bases domestically within the US and internationally is of the order of *2,202,735 hectares*, which makes the *Pentagon* one of the largest landowners worldwide!

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-worldwide-network-of-us-military-bases/5564

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    • Replies: @stickman
    Global Research is a damned good source-site. The U$ puppet regime has absolutely no business maintaining ANY overseas bases beyond, perhaps the Caribbean and Guam. The savings to the ever-suffering American taxpayer would be astronomic. The money could then go towards the growingly essential restoration of American industry and infrastructure in a post-carbon future.
  23. @Wizard of Oz
    Totally unimportant nitpick, good only for interrupting your rhetorical flow in debate: it was not the Empire of Japan that was the last to initiate a war with the US but its Axis partner Germany after the attack on Pearl Harbour.

    And I ask, because someone willing to reply is bound to know, did the US have troops already in South Korea when the North invaded the South? (which is my recollection of the way the Korean War began).

    I smell something yiddish.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    I find that a bit cryptic. Is it because you associate Yiddish culture with nitpicking?
  24. @bondo
    and
    just who are these characters who have turned america into amurderka
    who want mom-pop/trailer park/walmart america to see everything as an existential threat
    and
    not just to see an existential threat everywhere
    but
    to actively, secretly, plan, plot, create, enact these existential threats
    who are the beneficiaries.
    not the amish.
    not the white couple in kansas.
    not blacks.
    not muslims.
    not nationalists: white, black, brown, red.

    Yeah, who could it be [tapping cheek, eyes rolled up]?

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  25. alexander says:
    @conatus
    I 'll repeat myself:
    Wikipedia has an entry:
    “Military Expenditures by Country” where you can see how much the US spends to ‘keep us safe’

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

    We owe 19 trillion dollars yet we spend more than the next 8 countries combined.
    Yeah there are a lot of jobs connected with this activity and to stop it cold would cause a recession but do we really need to spend that much? Why is our middle class taxed to keep the sea lanes safe to transport the very goods, from other countries, that causes that very same middle class to lose their job to offshoring?

    There is a TV series presently on Netflix titled “Occupied” where the Russians worm their way into Norway and ‘horrors of horrors’ occupy the country, over energy issues.
    We are appalled at this Russian dismissing of Norway’s sovereignty.
    But how about the 36,000 American troops we maintain on German soil 72 years after the end of World War II? Is it time to give the Germans back some precious sovereignty? Does anyone really think the Germans are making international decisions without regard to the presence of 36,000 US soldiers on their soil?

    Conatus,

    your comment :

    “yeah, there are a lot of jobs connected to this activity and to stop it might cause a recession…”

    Bingo,and not quite bingo.

    In so many ways the taxpayers have been “mouse trapped” into this perpetual war overspending, and the “jobs” it has created….how do we walk it back ? Right ?

    First off, we need to separate the wheat from the chaff…….since most of the books remain unaudited…..we have no way to determine how much our war spending translates into pure profits for the oligarchs at the top….and how much is actual job creation.

    Lets take a predator drone, if the costs to manufacture one predator drone is one million dollars, yet the taxpayer is billed 10 million…..this translates in 9 million dollars in pure profits for the CEO’s….and a tenth of that(or less) in job creation for the nation.

    There is no way for us to know,where the money is going,…. how padded our bills are,….. and how efficient the system is..

    Likewise, when we engage in wars halfway across the planet, the very remoteness of the conflict lends itself to an absence in accountability……How is it possible, to determine what is spent for what, and when…when the guys running the books are the very same guys who created the bogus rationale for the conflict in the first place.

    We could all be getting totally ripped off, every which way til Sunday..and nobody would know it …It is all opaque.

    We do have a real sense that the vast majority of the nations wealth has been herded into the pockets of the .o1 percent, that’s for sure, and the culture of impunity, that reigns in Washington, seems to guarantee a virtual lock on a “get out of jail free” pass, no matter how deep the graft and corruption goes.

    The whole Neocon system seems designed to perpetuate fraud and abuse, and the humongous national debt they created ,seems the truest testimony to that fact, there is.

    What a travesty.

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    • Replies: @stickman
    "How efficient (is) the system". Grossly inefficient if you do not belong to the .000001% who are the primary profiteers from the system. We can test that by the fact that in category after category of major weaponry, the Russians have recently and are currently, turning out major systems which (1) perform far better than their U$ equivalents (compare the Su-35 to the F-35) and (2) are made available for about ten Kopecks on the dollar (one-tenth, roughly). Why is this?

    Corruption up and down the line is the story of contemporary Amerikkkan reality. Can anybody on this blog name ONE major institution in this ruptured Republic which is not totally and utterly corrupt? Universities? Hardy, har, har, hardly. Too much Federal and corporate grant money to researchers who toe the line. Churches? The Vatican has been the very hallmark of total corruption since the days of Constantine. How bout those Televangelists with the Lamborghinis and private jets ~ all in the name of the Lord.

    There is an old Russian proverb which holds that the fish rots from the head down. Geoffrey Chaucer in Canterbury Tales opines "if the gold is tarnished, what will the iron be".
  26. Kiza says:
    @Junior

    Lucky Extra-Terrestrials, that they have not discovered this poor, miserable planet yet. Otherwise the US Military Industrial Propaganda Complex would have quickly found a way to make them into a threat
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQxzWpy7PKg

    I forgot to write, Jr, that ETs would be found a threat after travelling tens, hundreds or billions of light years to this planet because, yeah, that makes a lot of sense: go on a trip like that just to include some stone-age aborigines obsessed with the power of their nuclear weapons into their empire.

    Tough chance that ETs would be found democratic enough or supportive of Israel enough not to present a threat. But as Mr Reagan says, such travelers would be an opportunity to impose the US model of “defense” on all citizens of planet Earth – it would unite us, he kept repeating.

    Did I mention that Putin is actually reducing the Russia’s military budget by 5% in 2016, to avoid a budget imbalance due to low price of oil? No wonder Russia is such a military threat, lo and behold imagine if ‘murican citizens got a similar idea – to want to balance the national budget by cutting military expenditure.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-defense-budget-idUSKCN0W80TL

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    • Replies: @geokat62

    ... imagine if ‘murican citizens got a similar idea – to want to balance the national budget by cutting military expenditure.
     
    The 'murican citizens were expecting a peace dividend after the collapse of the SU, but other people had other ideas:

    Senator McGovern is very sincere when he says that he will try to cut the military budget by 30%. And this is to drive a knife in the heart of Israel… Jews don’t like big military budgets. But it is now an interest of the Jews to have a large and powerful military establishment in the United States… American Jews who care about the survival of the state of Israel have to say, no, we don’t want to cut the military budget, it is important to keep that military budget big, so that we can defend Israel. - Irving Kristol
     
  27. Mr. Anon says:

    Ash Carter and Phillip Breedlove – a Robert McNamara and Thomas Powers for our own time.

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    • Replies: @schmenz
    Horse's Ash Carter and Philip Strangelove sounds more realistic.
  28. mtn cur says:

    “You don’t have to be smart to act stupid, but if you are gonna be stupid you better be tough.”Pete Lampe, formerly a tank gunner stationed in the Fulda gap during the middle of the cold war.
    I did not do an exhaustive search but I saw numbers indicating some 1200 installations US military outside of N America, some of which are unmanned communications systems, probably disguised as sewage pumping stations and these scattered around some 156 odd nations. I have to wonder why we don’t have a war going in the other dozen or so; perhaps these are merely police actions. Before we say the pentagon owns anything, thought should be given to who owns the pentagon along with most everything else. I remember a report saying that four investment firms control 40% of the net worth of the planet. Add ten more and you begin to see that on paper, (digitally?) anyone who did not pay cash for their yacht is a mere squatter or refugee potentially in line for demographic cleansing though eminent domain or some such.

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  29. Noizpots says:

    To paraphrase Stalin, “one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.” OR, as Mark Twain asserted, “Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.” – Mark Twain’s Own Autobiography: The Chapters from the North American Review

    The point of both these quotes is to reveal how numb we have become to this kind of news. Ash Carter, the banally evil, bland statistician, could discuss how we must reinvigorate our nuclear arsenal to prepare for Armageddon and no one would notice. Oh wait, that’s what he was just doing, right? And the public goes ZZZZzzzzzzz……

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    • Replies: @stickman
    Carter is a Yalie, just like Skull n' Bonesmen Daddy WarBush; Bu$h the $hrub and John Kerry/Kohn/Forbes. Some of the sickest sycophants in the Tuniverse emanate from the sewers beneath New Haven in the wooden Nutmeg State.
  30. @Diversity Heretic
    There were no U.S. troops in South Korea when the North attacked. There had even been some diplomatic publications that suggested that South Korea would not be defended by U.S. troops. The initial U.S. intervention (Task Force Smith) was a disaster. The defense of the Pusan Perimeter was a very near-run thing.

    It is true that Germany declared war against the U.S. on or about December 11, 1941. U.S. Navy warships had, however, been attacking German U-boots in the Atlantic for some time, and even got torpedoed for their trouble.

    Ah…now you have opened up another “who really started it theme”. What provocations count as equivalents to initiating wars? The Czars and Kaisers might even have complained about the UK fostering revolution against the lawful governments of their countries by harbouring seditious malcontents like Herzen and Marx…. I am sure there are better examples too – even if the Poles provocatively stealing an Enigma machine didn’t count.

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  31. @ISmellBagels
    I smell something yiddish.

    I find that a bit cryptic. Is it because you associate Yiddish culture with nitpicking?

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  32. @Wizard of Oz
    Totally unimportant nitpick, good only for interrupting your rhetorical flow in debate: it was not the Empire of Japan that was the last to initiate a war with the US but its Axis partner Germany after the attack on Pearl Harbour.

    And I ask, because someone willing to reply is bound to know, did the US have troops already in South Korea when the North invaded the South? (which is my recollection of the way the Korean War began).

    Yes, a great article by Phil, and I’ll add another nitpick.
    Japan attacked the US primarily because of FDR’s scheming to goad it into attacking, as documented by Robert Stinett in “Day of Deceit.”

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  33. Tom Welsh says:

    “Terrorism also is a transnational security issue but the actual threat that it represents for Europeans and Americans has been greatly exaggerated”.

    Very true. Craig Murray recently made this point with a few pungent figures. Since 2000 more British citizens have been killed by cattle than by terrorists. So surely it is time for a “war on cows”?

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/04/the-surveillance-state-should-be-targeted-on-cows/

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    • Replies: @stickman
    On this 241st Anniversary of the American Revolution that statement seems ironically apt.
  34. Tom Welsh says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Totally unimportant nitpick, good only for interrupting your rhetorical flow in debate: it was not the Empire of Japan that was the last to initiate a war with the US but its Axis partner Germany after the attack on Pearl Harbour.

    And I ask, because someone willing to reply is bound to know, did the US have troops already in South Korea when the North invaded the South? (which is my recollection of the way the Korean War began).

    I too was rather impressed that Hitler personally chose to declare war on the USA, in support of his ally Japan. He had absolutely no other reason to saddle himself with another huge and powerful enemy. Whereas the USA, having egged Britain and France into war with Germany, then reneged on its implicit promise to help them and remained neutral for the next 27 months while France was conquered and Britain underwent a near-death experience, Hitler came to Japan’s aid in less than a week. (The US government then took the farcical step of “declaring war” on Germany, so people could say they had done so later).

    As for Korea, it is a little known fact that many of the North Korean forces had distinguished themselves in the war for freedom against Japanese occupation. After the war some guys in an office in Washington, who had never been near Asia, drew an arbitrary line on the map of Korea and that was where North Korea was supposed to begin. As in Vietnam, the horrid communist invaders were largely motivated by a simple desire to reunite their country. Just like Abraham Lincoln, come to think of it.

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    • Replies: @stickman
    As the U$ puppet regime, under full financial control via the Rothschild crime family and the central bankster cabal, took its orders from their puppetmasters, the same deep criminals who OWNED the British and French regimes since the Napoleonic Wars; it cannot be calmly averred that the U.$. "goaded" Britain and France into war with Germany.

    The war with Germany was actually begun by the Zionist international back in '34 when the new Nazi regime was confronted with the ironic equivalent of the economic sanctions regime many concerned people have been developing vs the Rothschild-Zionist occupiers of Palestine. The major department stores such as Macys, Sachs, et al, utterly refused to stock German goods. As department stores were primary advertisers for major newspapers and other communications media; the new regime in Germany also took huge hits by the mind-control mediums.

    Most of the outrageous actions committed by the 3rd Reich in the latter 30's can be viewed in light of the attacks on them by Rothschild-Zionism. Why? Not so much the mutterings in "Mein Kampf" as the fact that like Gadhaffi's Libya, or Lincoln's United States Notes (Greenback dollars); the Germans had dumped the central banksters and installed their own economic system based on national productivity rather than fiat debt usury.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    How come those North Korean communists whom you compare to Abe Lincoln ended up running the worst government anywhere in the world outside Africa especially if judged by the way the rulers treat the plebs?
    , @Ace
    It's my understanding that it wasn't "some guys in an office in Washington" drawing any arbitrary line in Korea. Rather, Dean Acheson indicated publicly that the line delineating the U.S. zone of interest in the Pacific stopped short of Korea. Since Marshall had done what he could to ensure that Mao would prevail in China, it's odd that Acheson indicated the line would be where he indicated it would be.

    The communists in the North weren't seeking to "reunite" their country but to conquer the south and make Korea one big happy, productive commie theme park.
  35. Tom Welsh says:

    ‘Ash favors a “strong and balanced approach to deter Russian aggression” while also citing a China that is “behaving aggressively.”’

    Beastly rotten foreigners, forever trying to defend their people, resources and territory. How dare they – don’t they know everything belongs to America by right. (God said so).

    “Cet animal est tres mechant;
    Quand on l’attaque, il se defend”.

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  36. Tom Welsh says:

    “All in spite of the fact that the U.S. military capabilities already exceed the resources of all potential adversaries combined”.

    Perhaps. Certainly if measured by expenditure of money and hot air. However one has doubts; after all, the US armed forces haven’t tackled a serious enemy for… oh, surely it can’t be that long! I make it the American Civil War, when the part of the USA with overwhelmingly greater resources fought the part with most of the best military talent. And before that, the War of 1812 and the Revolutionary War.

    Any questions? Japan and Germany in 1941-5, eh? Well, Japan’s industrial resources were tiny compared to the USA’s, and even though FDR left the Japanese almost no alternative to war (he was strangling their economy to death with sanctions – sound at all familiar?) leaders like Admiral Yamamoto advised against war in the strongest terms. And I don’t think it can have been wholly coincidental that the USA’s war against Germany began exactly as the German attack on the USSR was stopped cold, ready to slide into reverse. I have read numerous sickening American boasts about how they routed the German armed forces in 1944, and I always think how dearly I would have loved to see them tackle the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS that attacked the USSR in 1941. The Americans would have been ground to powder – which is why they very sensibly stayed neutral until the tide of war had begun to swing decisively against Germany. Then the American eagle (a known carrion-eater), seeing the German wolf being crushed to death by the wounded Russian bear, swooped down and began viciously pecking at its exposed back.

    I don’t think the US armed forces would do very well in a war against Russia and/or China today. For a start, such a war would have to be an “away fixture”, as Russia and China have no intention of attacking the USA. Moreover, the Russians and Chinese create and deploy weapons systems for effect – not to line the pockets of profiteers. In a serious shooting war, the US aircraft carriers would be shown up as immense floating (but not for long) white elephants – massive targets for hypersonic missiles. Since the latest generation of US fighters simply doesn’t work, American pilots would have to fly the previous generation against Russian and Chinese planes that are clearly superior. No, I don’t think that would be a good idea at all.

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    • Replies: @stickman
    Good take. Your Wolf, Bear, Eagle as the carrion eater metaphor is excellent.
    , @Orville H. Larson
    " . . . In a serious shooting war, the US aircraft carriers would be shown up as immense floating (but not for long) white elephants--massive targets for hypersonic missiles. . . ."

    I agree. The aircraft carrier is a hugely vulnerable ship. She requires a battle group to protect her, and it could all go for naught when the bombs and/or torpedoes and/or missiles hit her. And even if she isn't sunk, she can't launch or recover aircraft when she's burning or listing.

    Presumably, the boys with scrambled eggs on their caps know this. . . .
    , @Carroll Price

    In a serious shooting war, the US aircraft carriers would be shown up as immense floating (but not for long) white elephants – massive targets for hypersonic missiles.
     
    Back in the 70s, Admiral Rickover, the “father of nuclear navy,” had to answer the question before the U.S. Senate: “How long would our aircraft carriers survive in a battle against the Russian Navy?” His response caused disillusionment: “Two or three days before they sink, maybe a week if they stay in the harbor.”

    Source: http://defence.pk/threads/how-long-would-the-us-navy-survive-in-a-shooting-war.368329/#ixzz46NfOCbE9
  37. Agent76 says:

    April 18, 2016 How The American Neoconservatives Destroyed Mankind’s Hopes For Peace

    When Ronald Reagan turned his back on the neoconservatives, fired them, and had some of them prosecuted, his administration was free of their evil influence, and President Reagan negotiated the end of the Cold War with Soviet President Gorbachev. The military/security complex, the CIA, and the neocons were very much against ending the Cold War as their budgets, power, and ideology were threatened by the prospect of peace between the two nuclear superpowers.

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/04/18/how-the-american-neoconservatives-destroyed-mankinds-hopes-for-peace-paul-craig-roberts-2/

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  38. stickman says:

    A fair to partly middling analysis. He never totally cuts to the chase. The real issue is the WarDefense Industry. I prefer that term to the “Defense Industry” or the Moos/Eisenhower “Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex. Why? It’s all about defending war and those who most profit from the WarDefense Industry.

    Check out the #1 recipient of Congressional funding (defense contracts) Lockheed-Martin. When doing a small investigation of primary ownership, it came to light that the biggest owners just happen to be headquartered in the #1 locus of finance: City of London, an independent entity which holds sovereignty over and against metropolitan London AND the government of Great Britain. Who is the biggest player in City of London? The Rothschild crime family, of course.

    Working closely with crowned heads, the Vatican and other bankster clans, the Rothschilds primary income stream for 200 years now, just happens to be the financing of war-machines; frequently for both sides. They also happen to be primary owners of the U$ puppet regime via the so-called “Federal” Reserve Bank. U$ puppet regime officials, especially the top brass in the military (known for their brass/bronze probisci) are all condottieri for the ruling banksters.

    Many commentators, even in alternative media, are so scared for their professional reputations and social status that they dare not call it like it is. So they beat around the bush and in the words of Henry David Thoreau “hack at the branches rather than grub out the roots” (slight paraphrasing here). It strikes me that Giraldi has hacked away at quite a few major branch orfices.

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    The exact quote:

    "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."
    Henry David Thoreau
  39. stickman says:
    @Haxo Angmark
    the "defense budget' no longer has anything to do with "national security". It is a device for pumping c. 800 billion debtbucks/year (counting Black Budget) into this or that congresscritter's state/district. Increasingly, procured weapons will resemble the F-35: a super hi-tech, almost self-aware fighterbomber that cannot fight or bomb, but can and will allocate $1,000,000,000,000 debtbucks before it dies happily, with mission fulfilled

    Those Congre$$critters are almost to a man or woman, subject to a constant stream of either blackmail or bribery. Dennis Hastert was a prime case in point of the former. This is also true in the higher reaches of the bureaucracy and the military. That is perhaps the major reason why the age of consent is set illogically high in most jurisdictions. The bankster cabal needs to maintain control. Bribery alone does not ensure absolute ownership as was the case with Hastert. He rose to Congressional heights because the fringe on top had dirt.

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    Those Congre$$critters are almost to a man or woman, subject to a constant stream of either blackmail or bribery.
     
    That's one of the primary purposes behind the all-expenses-paid-pilgrimages to Israel, American lawmakers and other high government officials are required to perform prior to assuming office. Where they are installed in plush quarters equipped with hidden cameras to record liaisons made with male and/or female prostitutes, according to individual preferences.
  40. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Its all about money. They don’t call it the military-industrial complex for nothing. The pentagon doesn’t want to see its budget get cut and must justify its essentially parasitic nature to the American public. So enemies get invented.

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  41. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Things are upside down. It is the US that is the ‘security challenge’ to the rest of the world who have to deal with the aggressive super-power that travels everywhere and considers the entire world to be it’s property. The N Koreans may engage in a lot of bluster and posturing but after all it’s been the US that has threatened to attack them with nuclear weapons for the past 65 years. It was inevitable that they would try to obtain a nuclear deterrent for themselves. Running provocative war games on the Korean peninsula with jets racing towards their border only to turn at the last minute can only add to their paranoia and anger. If the US is really concerned with the well being of the NK public then how about signing a peace treaty with them and then engaging in free trade with them? The US keeps piling on the weapons, attempting to intimidate the world. Even if one doesn’t admire them a person still has to marvel at the courage of those who’ve shown the courage to resist the might of the American military. Unfortunately all this seems to be headed for a climactic moment somewhere down the line where the US gets taken down a notch or two by the reality of force; hitting the iceberg seems so avoidable and yet so inevitable at the same time.

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  42. @Carlton Meyer
    The USA spends 4-8% of its GDP on what is laughably called "national security", depending on if you count just the Pentagon budget or total national security spending. For example, the Dept of Energy pays for nuclear weapons, the VA pays for military disability costs, and the Dept. of Treasury pays some $30 billion a year in military retirement costs. Then there is the annual OCO "war" slush fund of up to $100 billion. Total costs are over a trillion dollars a year.

    From my blog:

    Jan 1, 2015 - Enemies Everywhere

    In the year 2014 new "enemies" were introduced to the American people. ISIS appeared from nowhere. Friendly Russia was demonized and brought out of retirement. American forces discovered several new enemies in Africa. In 1919, historian Joseph Schumpeter’s book, Imperialism and Social Classes, described ancient Rome in a way that sounds eerily like the United States today:

    "There was no corner of the known world where some interest was not alleged to be in danger or under actual attack. If the interests were not Roman, they were those of Rome's allies; and if Rome had no allies, the allies would be invented. When it was utterly impossible to contrive such an interest -- why, then it was the national honor that had been insulted. The fight was always invested with an aura of legality. Rome was always being attacked by evil-minded neighbors. The whole world was pervaded by a host of enemies; it was manifestly Rome's duty to guard against their indubitably aggressive designs."

    Excellent. Around latter part of 2010 was it that our combat role in Iraq was declared to be over and now we had Operation New Dawn and next thing I know is that Clinton is bashing Egypt, and NATO bombs are falling from NATO planes all over North Africa and parts of the Mideast, and drones are killing our “enemies”. Then in the past three years or so we are declaring Russia our enemy and even though most of our factories are in China we are now calling China a threat. But the Russia thing is just bizarre (even though well planned).
    Having observed the military up close I would say the majority of Generals and Admirals are ass kissers, careerist or “lifers” as we called them in 60s (USMC Vietnam days), and these careerists would surely not care if we are killed if we the people interfered with their career plans because THEIR kids have to go to the best colleges and when they retire these Generals (and Colonels) WILL get good jobs so don’t mess with THEIR comfort levels.
    But for this Marine general to say Russia is our biggest threat shows that he is a stooge of the money people or he could just be plain stupid about what really goes on in the world.
    I would have to say that our national defense really means our financial system.
    I am totally unwilling to sacrifice teenagers in wars for the sake of the financial system which is the creation of monsters who think nothing of putting new immigrants by the millions on welfare.
    Many times over the past fourteen years I have grieved and wondered why is it the home growns of America always dying in wars created by these rich , scheming animals (low level psychopaths)- most of the infantry deaths are the sons of those from the European heritage), and many are the sons and now daughters of those who have had their roots in America for many years and are the kids of African Americans , Asians , and of course those of European heritage. The Spanish who they vary widely throughout the world are the children of ancestors of European heritage.

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    You sure got that right. The Nam was an eye-opener for you. My additional take is: The Higher the Rank, the Browner the Nose. It's been that way for awhile in case you haven't read the book by the USMC's most highly decorated officer ever, General Smedly Butler's "War is a Racket". I happened to luck into an original 1st Edition back in the 70's.
  43. stickman says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Totally unimportant nitpick, good only for interrupting your rhetorical flow in debate: it was not the Empire of Japan that was the last to initiate a war with the US but its Axis partner Germany after the attack on Pearl Harbour.

    And I ask, because someone willing to reply is bound to know, did the US have troops already in South Korea when the North invaded the South? (which is my recollection of the way the Korean War began).

    Wiz: You might want to read John Toland’s “Infamy”. He makes the case that in order to fulfill his obligations to his bankster masters in City of London FDR, along with his co-conspirators Admiral King and General Marshall, deliberately withheld intelligence on the Japanese attack garnered by US codebusters. Reason why Japan attacked Pearl Harbor was that along with the British and the Dutch, the U$ cut off Japanese supplies of oil and iron ore and scrap iron. Engaged in a huge invasion of China and possessing no native sources of these essentials, the Japanese saw no other out than attempting to wipe out the U$ Pacific Fleet at Pearl.

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  44. @bondo
    and
    just who are these characters who have turned america into amurderka
    who want mom-pop/trailer park/walmart america to see everything as an existential threat
    and
    not just to see an existential threat everywhere
    but
    to actively, secretly, plan, plot, create, enact these existential threats
    who are the beneficiaries.
    not the amish.
    not the white couple in kansas.
    not blacks.
    not muslims.
    not nationalists: white, black, brown, red.

    yes indeed, bondo
    not me

    who are the beneficiaries
    and why do they need so much

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  45. stickman says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    Since the U.S. has a Department of Homeland Security, the Department of "Defense" should be renamed the Department of Extraterritorial Aggression, or perhaps the Department of Empire Maintenance and Expansion.

    Close: See my various comments. It would be the Department of WarDefense. The Empire is NOT American, though the cutting edge happens to be the banksters’ #1 Pitbull Terrier, the U$ puppet regime’s military. America was overthrown as a Republic by the unlawful passage of the “Federal” Reserve Act by a rump Congre$$ of Con$pirators and promptly signed on by a blackmailed President Wilson on Christmas Eve, 1913. It is all about defending the biggest moneymaker for the ruling banksters ~ the WarDefense industry.

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    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    It is no coincidence that three years following the Federal Reserve Act being signed into law in 1913, and taking effect the following year, the US entered WW1. And certainly no coincidence that the US government (via the MIC) has maintained a state of war since that time.
  46. Love your article, Phil, as always. And that’s a terrific quote from Schumpeter by Carlton Meyer. The great Austrian social scientist–among much else he explained why intellectuals hate capitalism–also wrote, of the military in imperialist states: “Created by the wars that required it, the machine now created the wars it required.”

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  47. stickman says:
    @alexander
    Our national security apparatus has become so unhinged from reality..so committed to fraud...so under the yolk of the neocon mindset...it is a complete travesty to watch...and a complete tragedy for our Nation's balance sheet.

    Our military contractors addiction to war profiteering has let open the Pandora's box of evil.

    The idea that we are actively engaged in fabricating pretext's of conflict...merely to spend the taxpayers money in engaging them, has to be the very lowest point in our nation's history.

    Bearing witness to this transformation is nothing less than then the equivalent of watching Sergeant York "morphing" into Son of Sam.

    Let us consider for a moment, Afghanistan,.we have been there almost 16 years and what have we accomplished ?....Nothing.

    It seems the truth of the matter is that we are there, merely to spend the taxpayers money being there, and nothing more.

    All our traditional notions of War, as having a clear purpose, as having a beginning and an end,have been completely displaced by the Neocon concept of constantly inventing pretexts and conditions for wars continual perpetuation.

    For the Neocons..winning a war is actually making sure the war is never won at all.

    How much more sinister does it get then that ?


    None of our policies are designed to help anybody, just create more conflicts and pad the pockets of our war contractors, in the process.

    What is doubly evil is the very prevention, by our very own security apparatus, in letting the taxpayers (it is supposed to be protecting ), have access to its books.

    The Pentagon has refused an audit by the Government Accountability Office, for what seems like almost a decade now.

    Consequently we have no clue, how much of our trillions of hard earned taxpayer dollars are just padding the pockets of the Neocon War profiteers, and how much is actually being spent on our defense.

    No clue.

    What a mess, Mr. Giraldi.

    What a mess.

    “We” (actually the U$ puppet regime) have accomplished a lot in Afghanistan, though the accomplishments do NOT include the pipeline from the oilfields of Central Asia to the Indian Ocean which may have been objective #1. What has been accomplished has been the transfer of unimagined billions to the black-money coffers of the CIA which has controlled the world heroin industry as their chief cash-cow since early operations out of Laos and the Golden Triangle clear back in the 50′s.

    Those of us who remain somewhat informed, conscious and cogent must remind ourselves that black funding for the CIA (the banksters’ primary goonsquad) has enabled them to retain control over thousands of journalists worldwide, as was revealed just months ago by a former controlee who had worked for a major German publication . Primary facilitator in Dallas on 11-22-63 was none other than Daddy WarBush, who was actually photographed in front of the Texas Textbook Depository building on that infamous date.

    Control of the cocaine trade, especially that of crack dumped by agency agents with street criminals in the LA ghetto starting out, was revealed by a major Drug Enforcement Agency operative who somewhat mysteriously died not so long afterwards. The Agency had little “talks” with local police officials when they started getting too close to their “boys” in the hood.

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    Interesting.

    But the very spending on our military excursion in Afghanistan so dwarfs the profits from the illicit cocaine and heroin trade's you refer to , its ....laughable.

    Its like spending 50 million dollars on a pistol so you can rob someone of a two hundred dollar crack bag.

    The war spending is the "meat" of its own devouring ...It is its own "Raison d'etre".

    Nothing else even comes close.
    , @Ace
    Nonsense.
    , @stickman
    @ace is a disgrace ~ obviously not having done much independent research and hewing to the tired MSM/academicist line.
  48. stickman says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    There were no U.S. troops in South Korea when the North attacked. There had even been some diplomatic publications that suggested that South Korea would not be defended by U.S. troops. The initial U.S. intervention (Task Force Smith) was a disaster. The defense of the Pusan Perimeter was a very near-run thing.

    It is true that Germany declared war against the U.S. on or about December 11, 1941. U.S. Navy warships had, however, been attacking German U-boots in the Atlantic for some time, and even got torpedoed for their trouble.

    Though there had been a major draw-down of principal combat forces from SK, there still were small numbers of American troops in country. They were generally over-run, along with the ROKs, while some fled southwards and later were joined by TF Smith in the general rout.

    Roosevelt, who had been under full control by the City of London banksters since the time he declared the “Bank Holiday” for the U$ puppet regime in ’34 or ’35; was desperate to get the U$ into the war on behalf of his string-pullers and did all he could to goad the Germans into a direct attack on America or American interests or power projections. It was only effectuated on 12-7-41 when Japan (with whom the Germans had stupidly made a binding alliance) was goaded into attacking Pearl Harbor. The rest is as is written in “acceptable” history.

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  49. geokat62 says:
    @Kiza
    I forgot to write, Jr, that ETs would be found a threat after travelling tens, hundreds or billions of light years to this planet because, yeah, that makes a lot of sense: go on a trip like that just to include some stone-age aborigines obsessed with the power of their nuclear weapons into their empire.

    Tough chance that ETs would be found democratic enough or supportive of Israel enough not to present a threat. But as Mr Reagan says, such travelers would be an opportunity to impose the US model of "defense" on all citizens of planet Earth - it would unite us, he kept repeating.

    Did I mention that Putin is actually reducing the Russia's military budget by 5% in 2016, to avoid a budget imbalance due to low price of oil? No wonder Russia is such a military threat, lo and behold imagine if 'murican citizens got a similar idea - to want to balance the national budget by cutting military expenditure.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-defense-budget-idUSKCN0W80TL

    … imagine if ‘murican citizens got a similar idea – to want to balance the national budget by cutting military expenditure.

    The ‘murican citizens were expecting a peace dividend after the collapse of the SU, but other people had other ideas:

    Senator McGovern is very sincere when he says that he will try to cut the military budget by 30%. And this is to drive a knife in the heart of Israel… Jews don’t like big military budgets. But it is now an interest of the Jews to have a large and powerful military establishment in the United States… American Jews who care about the survival of the state of Israel have to say, no, we don’t want to cut the military budget, it is important to keep that military budget big, so that we can defend Israel. – Irving Kristol

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    The Zionist state is the pet project of the Rothschild Crime Family. Their involvement with Jewish settlement there began with Baron Edmund de Rothschild in the 1870's shortly after they financed the creation of the Suez Canal, primarily at the time as part of their Empire of India scheme. Later, they sponsored various frontmen such as Herzl to be the public faces of Zionism.

    Several of the Neocons are likely knowing agents of the City of London puppeteers, as is their "made man", Little Georgie of the Sorrows, who was a penniless young Hungarian who had worked closely with both Zionist agents and the Gestapo in removing most of his fellow Hungarian Jews to the camps. There is no documentation that i can unearth on this assertion, merely intuition and a bit of the realization that somehow Soros always seemed to have inside information on where to place his financial bets ~ particularly when he sold short on the Pound and made billions.

    The Rothschilds totally financed and designed Israel's Supreme Court building in Jerusalem and the most prestigious residential address in Tel Aviv happens to be Rothschild Boulevard. Net and Yahoo dares not even pass gas without a thumbs up from his Masters.
  50. stickman says:
    @Kiza
    I always thought that Joseph Schumpeter was actually describing US not Rome, even in the year 1919.

    A trillion here, a trillion there, pretty soon, you're talking real money (as per Mr Dirksen).

    Lucky Extra-Terrestrials, that they have not discovered this poor, miserable planet yet. Otherwise the US Military Industrial Propaganda Complex would have quickly found a way to make them into a threat (I guarantee they would not be democratic enough). Imagine the size of that budget!!!!!!!

    I feel a bit sorry for the good 'muricans and there are a few (especially Mr Giraldi), but I am glad that the US is doing what it is doing - that is rushing toward bankruptcy like a run-away train. This madness has to end somehow and at some point. And it better end in a total financial collapse then in a nuclear annihilation of humankind.

    Therefore, dear 'muricans, keep arming yourselves to destroy the Milky Way and beyond. The universe is said to have at least one hundred billion galaxies, what an opportunity to find new enemies!

    Nice take. Particularly your boldface statement.

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  51. stickman says:
    @conatus
    I 'll repeat myself:
    Wikipedia has an entry:
    “Military Expenditures by Country” where you can see how much the US spends to ‘keep us safe’

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

    We owe 19 trillion dollars yet we spend more than the next 8 countries combined.
    Yeah there are a lot of jobs connected with this activity and to stop it cold would cause a recession but do we really need to spend that much? Why is our middle class taxed to keep the sea lanes safe to transport the very goods, from other countries, that causes that very same middle class to lose their job to offshoring?

    There is a TV series presently on Netflix titled “Occupied” where the Russians worm their way into Norway and ‘horrors of horrors’ occupy the country, over energy issues.
    We are appalled at this Russian dismissing of Norway’s sovereignty.
    But how about the 36,000 American troops we maintain on German soil 72 years after the end of World War II? Is it time to give the Germans back some precious sovereignty? Does anyone really think the Germans are making international decisions without regard to the presence of 36,000 US soldiers on their soil?

    Regarding the loss of jobs and a possible recession you indicate: When the military is reduced to an actual defense force; we will need something akin to a CCC camp solution for all the now jobless military cadre. What with millions of Americans unemployed and other millions rotting away in the prison-industrial complex and what with a badly decayed infrastructure (most particularly passenger rail where we trail ALL industrialized countries) ; we could use for a massive national reconstruction effort which would duly employ those trained cadres to oversee masses of badly miseducated and physically suburbanized Americans.

    Those who would lose their jobs in the WarDefense industry are generally technically educated and highly skilled individuals who could be given grants (from monies repatriated from the owners of the Federal Reserve Bank) to develop new industries for the post-carbon age and new communities for strapped sub-Urbanites.

    We CAN rebuild an America which does not revolve around the WarDefense industry and a government totally corrupted by the bankster stringpullers.

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  52. stickman says:
    @Agent76
    "Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty." George Washington

    December 25, 2015 Homeland Defense: The Pentagon Declares War on America

    State Terrorism directed against the American People and Democracy Itself. The Department of Defense now authorizes the domestic deployment of US troops in “the conduct of operations other than war” including law enforcement activities and the quelling of “civil disturbances”: “Federal military commanders have the authority, in extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the President is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances…“

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/homeland-defense-the-pentagon-declares-war-on-america/5335483

    Those top generals and admirals who run the War establishment, got their high ranks primarily via the color of their noses and their susceptibility to honeypot blackmail ~ frequently in violation of illogical age of consent laws ala Dennis Has-Dirt. What i would like to see within the military is massive arrests of these malefactors by lower ranking officers and experienced cadre from within the enlisted ranks. Then they would likely march on Washington and Wall Street and clean house.

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  53. stickman says:
    @Agent76
    September 17, 2014 US Pursues *134** Wars Around the World

    The US is now involved in *134* wars or none, depending on your definition of war ...The White House spent much of last week trying to figure out if the word "war" was the right one to describe its military actions against the Islamic State.

    http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/35654/US-Pursues-134-Wars-Around-the-World/

    December 24, 2013 The Worldwide Network of US Military Bases The Global Deployment of US Military Personnel

    The US Military has bases in *63* countries. Brand new military bases have been built since September 11, 2001 in seven countries. In total, there are 255,065 US military personnel deployed Worldwide. These facilities include a total of 845,441 different buildings and equipments. The underlying land surface is of the order of *30* million acres. According to Gelman, who examined 2005 official Pentagon data, the US is thought to own a total of *737* bases in foreign lands. Adding to the bases inside U.S. territory, the total land area occupied by US military bases domestically within the US and internationally is of the order of *2,202,735 hectares*, which makes the *Pentagon* one of the largest landowners worldwide!

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-worldwide-network-of-us-military-bases/5564

    Global Research is a damned good source-site. The U$ puppet regime has absolutely no business maintaining ANY overseas bases beyond, perhaps the Caribbean and Guam. The savings to the ever-suffering American taxpayer would be astronomic. The money could then go towards the growingly essential restoration of American industry and infrastructure in a post-carbon future.

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  54. alexander says:
    @stickman
    "We" (actually the U$ puppet regime) have accomplished a lot in Afghanistan, though the accomplishments do NOT include the pipeline from the oilfields of Central Asia to the Indian Ocean which may have been objective #1. What has been accomplished has been the transfer of unimagined billions to the black-money coffers of the CIA which has controlled the world heroin industry as their chief cash-cow since early operations out of Laos and the Golden Triangle clear back in the 50's.

    Those of us who remain somewhat informed, conscious and cogent must remind ourselves that black funding for the CIA (the banksters' primary goonsquad) has enabled them to retain control over thousands of journalists worldwide, as was revealed just months ago by a former controlee who had worked for a major German publication . Primary facilitator in Dallas on 11-22-63 was none other than Daddy WarBush, who was actually photographed in front of the Texas Textbook Depository building on that infamous date.

    Control of the cocaine trade, especially that of crack dumped by agency agents with street criminals in the LA ghetto starting out, was revealed by a major Drug Enforcement Agency operative who somewhat mysteriously died not so long afterwards. The Agency had little "talks" with local police officials when they started getting too close to their "boys" in the hood.

    Interesting.

    But the very spending on our military excursion in Afghanistan so dwarfs the profits from the illicit cocaine and heroin trade’s you refer to , its ….laughable.

    Its like spending 50 million dollars on a pistol so you can rob someone of a two hundred dollar crack bag.

    The war spending is the “meat” of its own devouring …It is its own “Raison d’etre”.

    Nothing else even comes close.

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    Alexander: There is a far deeper agenda behind control over the heroin and cocaine trades than just the financial aspect. We also must consider what crack did to the Black Power movement and the inroads heroin is now making into those decaying coal-mining communities in Appalachia and the old, dying industrial towns in the mid-east and mid-west. Those happen to be targeted populations which eugenics freaks like several Rockefellers and Bill Gates refer to as "useless eaters".

    There are many layers to the NWO onion.
    , @Chris Mallory
    In the past 15 years, the US has spent $686 billion dollars in Afghanistan. That works out to an average of $45 billion a year. The annual opiates market is worth $65 billion annually. Cocaine is worth $88 billion a year. The money spent on Afghanistan and Iraq for the past 15 years is $1.6 trillion or $107 billion a year. Cocaine and heroin, together, bring in $153 billion a year.
    , @Tom Welsh
    "Its like spending 50 million dollars on a pistol so you can rob someone of a two hundred dollar crack bag".

    Almost. Its like spending 50 million dollars *of someone else's money* on a pistol so you can rob someone of a two hundred dollar crack bag.
    , @Junior
    "But the very spending on our military excursion in Afghanistan so dwarfs the profits from the illicit cocaine and heroin trade’s you refer to , its ….laughable."

    I agree with alot of what you say, Alexander, but you seem to be missing the point. The profits from the drug trade are going into the CIA's Black Budget. It has nothing to do with cost-benefit ratios to them.
  55. stickman says:
    @alexander
    Conatus,

    your comment :


    "yeah, there are a lot of jobs connected to this activity and to stop it might cause a recession..."

    Bingo,and not quite bingo.

    In so many ways the taxpayers have been "mouse trapped" into this perpetual war overspending, and the "jobs" it has created....how do we walk it back ? Right ?

    First off, we need to separate the wheat from the chaff.......since most of the books remain unaudited.....we have no way to determine how much our war spending translates into pure profits for the oligarchs at the top....and how much is actual job creation.

    Lets take a predator drone, if the costs to manufacture one predator drone is one million dollars, yet the taxpayer is billed 10 million.....this translates in 9 million dollars in pure profits for the CEO's....and a tenth of that(or less) in job creation for the nation.

    There is no way for us to know,where the money is going,.... how padded our bills are,..... and how efficient the system is..

    Likewise, when we engage in wars halfway across the planet, the very remoteness of the conflict lends itself to an absence in accountability......How is it possible, to determine what is spent for what, and when...when the guys running the books are the very same guys who created the bogus rationale for the conflict in the first place.

    We could all be getting totally ripped off, every which way til Sunday..and nobody would know it ...It is all opaque.

    We do have a real sense that the vast majority of the nations wealth has been herded into the pockets of the .o1 percent, that's for sure, and the culture of impunity, that reigns in Washington, seems to guarantee a virtual lock on a "get out of jail free" pass, no matter how deep the graft and corruption goes.

    The whole Neocon system seems designed to perpetuate fraud and abuse, and the humongous national debt they created ,seems the truest testimony to that fact, there is.

    What a travesty.

    “How efficient (is) the system”. Grossly inefficient if you do not belong to the .000001% who are the primary profiteers from the system. We can test that by the fact that in category after category of major weaponry, the Russians have recently and are currently, turning out major systems which (1) perform far better than their U$ equivalents (compare the Su-35 to the F-35) and (2) are made available for about ten Kopecks on the dollar (one-tenth, roughly). Why is this?

    Corruption up and down the line is the story of contemporary Amerikkkan reality. Can anybody on this blog name ONE major institution in this ruptured Republic which is not totally and utterly corrupt? Universities? Hardy, har, har, hardly. Too much Federal and corporate grant money to researchers who toe the line. Churches? The Vatican has been the very hallmark of total corruption since the days of Constantine. How bout those Televangelists with the Lamborghinis and private jets ~ all in the name of the Lord.

    There is an old Russian proverb which holds that the fish rots from the head down. Geoffrey Chaucer in Canterbury Tales opines “if the gold is tarnished, what will the iron be”.

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  56. stickman says:
    @Noizpots
    To paraphrase Stalin, "one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." OR, as Mark Twain asserted, "Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Mark Twain's Own Autobiography: The Chapters from the North American Review

    The point of both these quotes is to reveal how numb we have become to this kind of news. Ash Carter, the banally evil, bland statistician, could discuss how we must reinvigorate our nuclear arsenal to prepare for Armageddon and no one would notice. Oh wait, that's what he was just doing, right? And the public goes ZZZZzzzzzzz......

    Carter is a Yalie, just like Skull n’ Bonesmen Daddy WarBush; Bu$h the $hrub and John Kerry/Kohn/Forbes. Some of the sickest sycophants in the Tuniverse emanate from the sewers beneath New Haven in the wooden Nutmeg State.

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  57. stickman says:
    @Tom Welsh
    "Terrorism also is a transnational security issue but the actual threat that it represents for Europeans and Americans has been greatly exaggerated".

    Very true. Craig Murray recently made this point with a few pungent figures. Since 2000 more British citizens have been killed by cattle than by terrorists. So surely it is time for a "war on cows"?

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/04/the-surveillance-state-should-be-targeted-on-cows/

    On this 241st Anniversary of the American Revolution that statement seems ironically apt.

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  58. stickman says:
    @Tom Welsh
    I too was rather impressed that Hitler personally chose to declare war on the USA, in support of his ally Japan. He had absolutely no other reason to saddle himself with another huge and powerful enemy. Whereas the USA, having egged Britain and France into war with Germany, then reneged on its implicit promise to help them and remained neutral for the next 27 months while France was conquered and Britain underwent a near-death experience, Hitler came to Japan's aid in less than a week. (The US government then took the farcical step of "declaring war" on Germany, so people could say they had done so later).

    As for Korea, it is a little known fact that many of the North Korean forces had distinguished themselves in the war for freedom against Japanese occupation. After the war some guys in an office in Washington, who had never been near Asia, drew an arbitrary line on the map of Korea and that was where North Korea was supposed to begin. As in Vietnam, the horrid communist invaders were largely motivated by a simple desire to reunite their country. Just like Abraham Lincoln, come to think of it.

    As the U$ puppet regime, under full financial control via the Rothschild crime family and the central bankster cabal, took its orders from their puppetmasters, the same deep criminals who OWNED the British and French regimes since the Napoleonic Wars; it cannot be calmly averred that the U.$. “goaded” Britain and France into war with Germany.

    The war with Germany was actually begun by the Zionist international back in ’34 when the new Nazi regime was confronted with the ironic equivalent of the economic sanctions regime many concerned people have been developing vs the Rothschild-Zionist occupiers of Palestine. The major department stores such as Macys, Sachs, et al, utterly refused to stock German goods. As department stores were primary advertisers for major newspapers and other communications media; the new regime in Germany also took huge hits by the mind-control mediums.

    Most of the outrageous actions committed by the 3rd Reich in the latter 30′s can be viewed in light of the attacks on them by Rothschild-Zionism. Why? Not so much the mutterings in “Mein Kampf” as the fact that like Gadhaffi’s Libya, or Lincoln’s United States Notes (Greenback dollars); the Germans had dumped the central banksters and installed their own economic system based on national productivity rather than fiat debt usury.

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    This explanation is unfamiliar to me, but I'll look into it. Thanks!
    , @SolontoCroesus
    A Rothschild is at the nexus of the Syrian war --

    According to comments by Liza, on SicSemperTyrannis,

    sourced from http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/51765

    several days before Obama announced that USA would send 250 more "advisors" to Syria to "defeat ISIS," Netanyahu met with Putin to lay down Israel's "red line" -- Israel demands to maintain the Golan, there being oil in them hills:


    The Golan has recently become much more valuable real estate: potentially-lucrative oil and gas reserves.
    Genie Energy, owned by
    Nat Rothschild,
    has begun exploratory drilling in the Golan. Genie's board of directors include
    Dick Cheney,
    Larry Summers,
    Rupert Murdoch,
    James Woolsey,
    Bill Richardson and
    Mary Landrieu.
     
    American soldiers are bleeding and dying, and American taxpayers paying, so that Israel can develop resources on stolen land and share their ill gotten loot with the lowest of America's so-called elite.
  59. stickman says:
    @Tom Welsh
    "All in spite of the fact that the U.S. military capabilities already exceed the resources of all potential adversaries combined".

    Perhaps. Certainly if measured by expenditure of money and hot air. However one has doubts; after all, the US armed forces haven't tackled a serious enemy for... oh, surely it can't be that long! I make it the American Civil War, when the part of the USA with overwhelmingly greater resources fought the part with most of the best military talent. And before that, the War of 1812 and the Revolutionary War.

    Any questions? Japan and Germany in 1941-5, eh? Well, Japan's industrial resources were tiny compared to the USA's, and even though FDR left the Japanese almost no alternative to war (he was strangling their economy to death with sanctions - sound at all familiar?) leaders like Admiral Yamamoto advised against war in the strongest terms. And I don't think it can have been wholly coincidental that the USA's war against Germany began exactly as the German attack on the USSR was stopped cold, ready to slide into reverse. I have read numerous sickening American boasts about how they routed the German armed forces in 1944, and I always think how dearly I would have loved to see them tackle the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS that attacked the USSR in 1941. The Americans would have been ground to powder - which is why they very sensibly stayed neutral until the tide of war had begun to swing decisively against Germany. Then the American eagle (a known carrion-eater), seeing the German wolf being crushed to death by the wounded Russian bear, swooped down and began viciously pecking at its exposed back.

    I don't think the US armed forces would do very well in a war against Russia and/or China today. For a start, such a war would have to be an "away fixture", as Russia and China have no intention of attacking the USA. Moreover, the Russians and Chinese create and deploy weapons systems for effect - not to line the pockets of profiteers. In a serious shooting war, the US aircraft carriers would be shown up as immense floating (but not for long) white elephants - massive targets for hypersonic missiles. Since the latest generation of US fighters simply doesn't work, American pilots would have to fly the previous generation against Russian and Chinese planes that are clearly superior. No, I don't think that would be a good idea at all.

    Good take. Your Wolf, Bear, Eagle as the carrion eater metaphor is excellent.

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  60. Art says:

    Folks, focus on the facts. We are getting lost in the minutia of the day’s events, we need to see the broad arch of events.

    Just think how peaceful it would be without Israel and its infernal desire for all of Palestine and more.

    With the end of the Cold War we should have had peace. Country by country internal political wars, yes – but no large regional wars such as we have today in the ME.

    Our unfair treatment of Palestine boomeranged into 9/11 and all that has followed.

    The fact is that our military is broken, it is worn out, both personal and equipment.

    Truth – in all aspects of American life, the cost of the Jew is monumental.

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    Art: Please do not confuse and conflate all Jews with Rothschild Zionists. True Torah Jews, for example, are unbendingly opposed to the Zionist project. Jews of good conscience such as Jon Rappoport, Stephen Lendman and Norman Finkelstein are Americans first before any possible tribal considerations.

    These Jews of good conscience, whose primary allegiance is to humanity as a whole and perhaps even to earth as an entity, are NOT Chosen People = Master Racists. Please try to discriminate rather than pre-judge. Discernment is absolutely of essence or you may get entangled in one of the many webs the spider weaves.
  61. stickman says:
    @anonymous
    Things are upside down. It is the US that is the 'security challenge' to the rest of the world who have to deal with the aggressive super-power that travels everywhere and considers the entire world to be it's property. The N Koreans may engage in a lot of bluster and posturing but after all it's been the US that has threatened to attack them with nuclear weapons for the past 65 years. It was inevitable that they would try to obtain a nuclear deterrent for themselves. Running provocative war games on the Korean peninsula with jets racing towards their border only to turn at the last minute can only add to their paranoia and anger. If the US is really concerned with the well being of the NK public then how about signing a peace treaty with them and then engaging in free trade with them? The US keeps piling on the weapons, attempting to intimidate the world. Even if one doesn't admire them a person still has to marvel at the courage of those who've shown the courage to resist the might of the American military. Unfortunately all this seems to be headed for a climactic moment somewhere down the line where the US gets taken down a notch or two by the reality of force; hitting the iceberg seems so avoidable and yet so inevitable at the same time.

    Spot on.

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  62. stickman says:
    @Lost american
    Excellent. Around latter part of 2010 was it that our combat role in Iraq was declared to be over and now we had Operation New Dawn and next thing I know is that Clinton is bashing Egypt, and NATO bombs are falling from NATO planes all over North Africa and parts of the Mideast, and drones are killing our "enemies". Then in the past three years or so we are declaring Russia our enemy and even though most of our factories are in China we are now calling China a threat. But the Russia thing is just bizarre (even though well planned).
    Having observed the military up close I would say the majority of Generals and Admirals are ass kissers, careerist or "lifers" as we called them in 60s (USMC Vietnam days), and these careerists would surely not care if we are killed if we the people interfered with their career plans because THEIR kids have to go to the best colleges and when they retire these Generals (and Colonels) WILL get good jobs so don't mess with THEIR comfort levels.
    But for this Marine general to say Russia is our biggest threat shows that he is a stooge of the money people or he could just be plain stupid about what really goes on in the world.
    I would have to say that our national defense really means our financial system.
    I am totally unwilling to sacrifice teenagers in wars for the sake of the financial system which is the creation of monsters who think nothing of putting new immigrants by the millions on welfare.
    Many times over the past fourteen years I have grieved and wondered why is it the home growns of America always dying in wars created by these rich , scheming animals (low level psychopaths)- most of the infantry deaths are the sons of those from the European heritage), and many are the sons and now daughters of those who have had their roots in America for many years and are the kids of African Americans , Asians , and of course those of European heritage. The Spanish who they vary widely throughout the world are the children of ancestors of European heritage.

    You sure got that right. The Nam was an eye-opener for you. My additional take is: The Higher the Rank, the Browner the Nose. It’s been that way for awhile in case you haven’t read the book by the USMC’s most highly decorated officer ever, General Smedly Butler’s “War is a Racket”. I happened to luck into an original 1st Edition back in the 70′s.

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  63. Tom Welsh says:
    @stickman
    On this 241st Anniversary of the American Revolution that statement seems ironically apt.

    Hey, sorry, I totally overlooked that! Sorry.

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  64. stickman says:
    @alexander
    Interesting.

    But the very spending on our military excursion in Afghanistan so dwarfs the profits from the illicit cocaine and heroin trade's you refer to , its ....laughable.

    Its like spending 50 million dollars on a pistol so you can rob someone of a two hundred dollar crack bag.

    The war spending is the "meat" of its own devouring ...It is its own "Raison d'etre".

    Nothing else even comes close.

    Alexander: There is a far deeper agenda behind control over the heroin and cocaine trades than just the financial aspect. We also must consider what crack did to the Black Power movement and the inroads heroin is now making into those decaying coal-mining communities in Appalachia and the old, dying industrial towns in the mid-east and mid-west. Those happen to be targeted populations which eugenics freaks like several Rockefellers and Bill Gates refer to as “useless eaters”.

    There are many layers to the NWO onion.

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    Afghanistan is next door to Iran. Drugs pass thru Iran FIRST.

    Given that USA & Israel are intent on destroying Iran and Iran's young people (just like Hebrews slaughtered the first born of Egyptians) and are deliberately destabilizing Iran's economy in order to incite the young people to overthrow their government, it follows that Iran's young people are under pressure -- unemployment is high, thus family formation is difficult, etc. It next follows that disaffected young may resort to drugs to deaden their pain. And so a generation and then a society and then a culture and then a nation is destroyed.

    Seyed Hossein Mousavian has spoken passionately and often about the efforts of the Iranian government to stem the flow of drugs into Iran, because the Iranian leadership cares about its young people and about the future of the Iranian state and culture.


    Iran and the United States: An Insider's View on the Failed Past and the Road to Peace

    and http://www.c-span.org/video/?320226-1/book-discussion-iran-united-states

    PS to those who get their panties in a wad re immigration & refugees: Iran has been the go-to nation for refugees from Afghanistan and Iraq for over 20 years, in numbers approaching 3 million -- about 5% of Iran's population, the equiv of 15 million in USA. I talked with Afghan refugees in Mashad; they grew up in Iran; now, at college age, they are at a dead-end: Iran educated them thru = of US high school but they may not go to Iranian universities. They're stuck.

    , @Junior
    Amen, stickman! And let's not forget the Prison Industrial Complex.
  65. Tom Welsh says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    There were no U.S. troops in South Korea when the North attacked. There had even been some diplomatic publications that suggested that South Korea would not be defended by U.S. troops. The initial U.S. intervention (Task Force Smith) was a disaster. The defense of the Pusan Perimeter was a very near-run thing.

    It is true that Germany declared war against the U.S. on or about December 11, 1941. U.S. Navy warships had, however, been attacking German U-boots in the Atlantic for some time, and even got torpedoed for their trouble.

    Well, if you’re in a submarine and someone up top is trying to kill you, the finer points of international diplomacy – such as who is at war with whom – might tend to be neglected until such time as you are no longer terrified of imminent death.

    I am reminded of an apocryphal story about the naval war in the Mediterranean. Polish military and naval personnel who had escaped to Britain were, cautiously, accepted into the British armed forces under certain conditions. The story was that this British submarine was entirely crewed by Poles, with a Polish captain, and just one British officer to act as liaison and ensure fair play. Seeing an Italian warship in his periscope, the captain unhesitatingly asked for a firing solution and began preparing to attack. “I say, wait a moment old chap!” expostulated the British officer. “You do realize that Poland is not officially at war with Italy, don’t you? You can’t attack that ship”.

    To which he received the immortal reply: “I, Tadeusz, declare war on Italy! Fire one! Fire two! Fire three!…”

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    Had I been a German WWII U-boat commander I would have torpedoed any ship attacking my submarine.

    I didn't even mention the huge amount of military aid that the U.S. was shipping the U.K. at a time of purported neutrality. Submarine attacks on military convoys are perfectly justifiable.
  66. stickman says:
    @geokat62

    ... imagine if ‘murican citizens got a similar idea – to want to balance the national budget by cutting military expenditure.
     
    The 'murican citizens were expecting a peace dividend after the collapse of the SU, but other people had other ideas:

    Senator McGovern is very sincere when he says that he will try to cut the military budget by 30%. And this is to drive a knife in the heart of Israel… Jews don’t like big military budgets. But it is now an interest of the Jews to have a large and powerful military establishment in the United States… American Jews who care about the survival of the state of Israel have to say, no, we don’t want to cut the military budget, it is important to keep that military budget big, so that we can defend Israel. - Irving Kristol
     

    The Zionist state is the pet project of the Rothschild Crime Family. Their involvement with Jewish settlement there began with Baron Edmund de Rothschild in the 1870′s shortly after they financed the creation of the Suez Canal, primarily at the time as part of their Empire of India scheme. Later, they sponsored various frontmen such as Herzl to be the public faces of Zionism.

    Several of the Neocons are likely knowing agents of the City of London puppeteers, as is their “made man”, Little Georgie of the Sorrows, who was a penniless young Hungarian who had worked closely with both Zionist agents and the Gestapo in removing most of his fellow Hungarian Jews to the camps. There is no documentation that i can unearth on this assertion, merely intuition and a bit of the realization that somehow Soros always seemed to have inside information on where to place his financial bets ~ particularly when he sold short on the Pound and made billions.

    The Rothschilds totally financed and designed Israel’s Supreme Court building in Jerusalem and the most prestigious residential address in Tel Aviv happens to be Rothschild Boulevard. Net and Yahoo dares not even pass gas without a thumbs up from his Masters.

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    Should I assess your credibility by what you say about Soros when it is easy to verify that he was 13 years old when the Nazis were deporting Hungarian Jews?
    , @Wizard of Oz
    I suspect you are close to 100 years out of date on the wealth, power and activities of the Rothschilds. Do you know any of them or the people who work for the remaining Rothschild financial organisations? Where do you get your information from? Any Rothschild influence exercised in or from London would surely be infinitesimal compared with the ownership of Congressmen in the US by the likes of Adelson.
  67. Art says:

    Not to fear, Ash is on the job – we are safe.

    He is putting men who want to be women, and women who want to be men in our fox holes.

    Who would be crazy enough to fight such a formidable force?

    Hmm – Who would join such a force?

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  68. stickman says:
    @Art
    Folks, focus on the facts. We are getting lost in the minutia of the day’s events, we need to see the broad arch of events.

    Just think how peaceful it would be without Israel and its infernal desire for all of Palestine and more.

    With the end of the Cold War we should have had peace. Country by country internal political wars, yes – but no large regional wars such as we have today in the ME.

    Our unfair treatment of Palestine boomeranged into 9/11 and all that has followed.

    The fact is that our military is broken, it is worn out, both personal and equipment.

    Truth - in all aspects of American life, the cost of the Jew is monumental.

    Art: Please do not confuse and conflate all Jews with Rothschild Zionists. True Torah Jews, for example, are unbendingly opposed to the Zionist project. Jews of good conscience such as Jon Rappoport, Stephen Lendman and Norman Finkelstein are Americans first before any possible tribal considerations.

    These Jews of good conscience, whose primary allegiance is to humanity as a whole and perhaps even to earth as an entity, are NOT Chosen People = Master Racists. Please try to discriminate rather than pre-judge. Discernment is absolutely of essence or you may get entangled in one of the many webs the spider weaves.

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    Art: Please do not confuse and conflate all Jews with Rothschild Zionists. True Torah Jews, for example, are unbendingly opposed to the Zionist project. Jews of good conscience such as Jon Rappoport, Stephen Lendman and Norman Finkelstein are Americans first before any possible tribal considerations.
     
    May I disagree – the great bulk of Jew (85%+) support what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. If every Palestinian were to disappear today - they would cheer.

    There is no other honest word but “Jew” to label and describe them. Calling them Zionists has no real weight, no real moral force. As “Jews” they feel the heat of censure – but not as Zionists.

    Only when they hear the truthful word “Jew” will they change their ways.

    That is happening today – there a lot of powerful US Jews who selfishly, behind the scenes want Israel to settle with the Palestinians. (Trump’s son in law being one.)

    Keep the heat on “the Jew.”
    , @Clyde

    These Jews of good conscience, whose primary allegiance is to humanity as a whole and perhaps even to earth as an entity, are NOT Chosen People = Master Racists.
    You are correct.
     
    Islam is the world's most enduring and successful imperialism throughout fourteen centuries. The Koran teaches that Muslims, particularly Arab Muslims are the world's chosen people. Muhammad calls his Arab Muslim companions the "best of people" in the Koran or Hadiths. Chosen to fight Jihad until the entire world's population belongs to Dar-al-Salam meaning the house of Islamic peace. This is why to be a real Muslim scholar you must know the Koran in medieval Arabic and be able to recite it. The average Muslim does not read the Koran. He depends on chosen preachers, most of whom are Salafists, stealth Jihadists and overt Jihadists.
    When Mohammad was born most of the Middle East was Christian. Muhammad and his successors conquered them and forcibly converted them to Islam. Lebanon was a holdout Christian Arab nation in 1940. Due to Muslim imperialism, today it is a Muslim nation with a besieged Christian minority.
    Rothschild and Israel are nothing compared to what the chosen (Allah selected) Arab Muslim's Islamic imperialism has done to the Middle East. Not to mention Persia, India, Egypt and other nations.
    , @stickman
    Clyde: If you deign to read a bit of history you will find that by and large the Muslims did NOT force Christians to convert. That is a major reason why Lebanon remained majority Christian till quite recently. Many immigrants among Lebanese Christians to countries all over the world. What Muslim rulers did do was tax their Christian subjects, while Muslims were not taxed. Ultimately, this resulted in a long-term wave of conversions by wealthier Christians which gradually tended to trickle down amongst the masses.
  69. @stickman
    Alexander: There is a far deeper agenda behind control over the heroin and cocaine trades than just the financial aspect. We also must consider what crack did to the Black Power movement and the inroads heroin is now making into those decaying coal-mining communities in Appalachia and the old, dying industrial towns in the mid-east and mid-west. Those happen to be targeted populations which eugenics freaks like several Rockefellers and Bill Gates refer to as "useless eaters".

    There are many layers to the NWO onion.

    Afghanistan is next door to Iran. Drugs pass thru Iran FIRST.

    Given that USA & Israel are intent on destroying Iran and Iran’s young people (just like Hebrews slaughtered the first born of Egyptians) and are deliberately destabilizing Iran’s economy in order to incite the young people to overthrow their government, it follows that Iran’s young people are under pressure — unemployment is high, thus family formation is difficult, etc. It next follows that disaffected young may resort to drugs to deaden their pain. And so a generation and then a society and then a culture and then a nation is destroyed.

    Seyed Hossein Mousavian has spoken passionately and often about the efforts of the Iranian government to stem the flow of drugs into Iran, because the Iranian leadership cares about its young people and about the future of the Iranian state and culture.


    Iran and the United States: An Insider’s View on the Failed Past and the Road to Peace

    and http://www.c-span.org/video/?320226-1/book-discussion-iran-united-states

    PS to those who get their panties in a wad re immigration & refugees: Iran has been the go-to nation for refugees from Afghanistan and Iraq for over 20 years, in numbers approaching 3 million — about 5% of Iran’s population, the equiv of 15 million in USA. I talked with Afghan refugees in Mashad; they grew up in Iran; now, at college age, they are at a dead-end: Iran educated them thru = of US high school but they may not go to Iranian universities. They’re stuck.

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    Huge amounts of that heroin also go by way of the Central Asian Stans and thence into Russia, Ukraine and Europe. During the bad new daze of the drunken Yeltsin/Yiddischer Oligarch regime more than a million unemployed and disenchanted young Russians fell into the habit. I would suspect most of the horse that goes into Iran stays in Iran.
  70. schmenz says:
    @Mr. Anon
    Ash Carter and Phillip Breedlove - a Robert McNamara and Thomas Powers for our own time.

    Horse’s Ash Carter and Philip Strangelove sounds more realistic.

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  71. to the airheads in the article, a threat is someone who threatens their power, their interest, not their lives. and they are trying to sell it as a threat to american lives.

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  72. Art says:
    @stickman
    Art: Please do not confuse and conflate all Jews with Rothschild Zionists. True Torah Jews, for example, are unbendingly opposed to the Zionist project. Jews of good conscience such as Jon Rappoport, Stephen Lendman and Norman Finkelstein are Americans first before any possible tribal considerations.

    These Jews of good conscience, whose primary allegiance is to humanity as a whole and perhaps even to earth as an entity, are NOT Chosen People = Master Racists. Please try to discriminate rather than pre-judge. Discernment is absolutely of essence or you may get entangled in one of the many webs the spider weaves.

    Art: Please do not confuse and conflate all Jews with Rothschild Zionists. True Torah Jews, for example, are unbendingly opposed to the Zionist project. Jews of good conscience such as Jon Rappoport, Stephen Lendman and Norman Finkelstein are Americans first before any possible tribal considerations.

    May I disagree – the great bulk of Jew (85%+) support what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. If every Palestinian were to disappear today – they would cheer.

    There is no other honest word but “Jew” to label and describe them. Calling them Zionists has no real weight, no real moral force. As “Jews” they feel the heat of censure – but not as Zionists.

    Only when they hear the truthful word “Jew” will they change their ways.

    That is happening today – there a lot of powerful US Jews who selfishly, behind the scenes want Israel to settle with the Palestinians. (Trump’s son in law being one.)

    Keep the heat on “the Jew.”

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px-mmxtUgmU&ebc=ANyPxKqgjQm3cbJaTLbISmTHMdtqBdq2S8dIR6JO_Pn9ExtaQ6hrBA1L8dQ02mI_bWnRyWESSTF4UpnOnosRSXfX3HGbXVdTTw
    , @stickman
    Art: We will never likely agree on that. From whence did you pull that 85% figure? There are many young Jews who no longer buy into the Chosen Peeps = Master Race shtick. Granted, the "is it good for the Jews?" meme is still very powerful; but the general Awakening is an equal opportunity deployer.

    The number of Jews who buy into the Animal Farm equation of "some are more equal than others" as evinced by the Talmudic totem animal is gradually but steadily decreasing. This from one who recalls being sotto voce described as a "Goy".
  73. Tom Welsh says:
    @stickman
    As the U$ puppet regime, under full financial control via the Rothschild crime family and the central bankster cabal, took its orders from their puppetmasters, the same deep criminals who OWNED the British and French regimes since the Napoleonic Wars; it cannot be calmly averred that the U.$. "goaded" Britain and France into war with Germany.

    The war with Germany was actually begun by the Zionist international back in '34 when the new Nazi regime was confronted with the ironic equivalent of the economic sanctions regime many concerned people have been developing vs the Rothschild-Zionist occupiers of Palestine. The major department stores such as Macys, Sachs, et al, utterly refused to stock German goods. As department stores were primary advertisers for major newspapers and other communications media; the new regime in Germany also took huge hits by the mind-control mediums.

    Most of the outrageous actions committed by the 3rd Reich in the latter 30's can be viewed in light of the attacks on them by Rothschild-Zionism. Why? Not so much the mutterings in "Mein Kampf" as the fact that like Gadhaffi's Libya, or Lincoln's United States Notes (Greenback dollars); the Germans had dumped the central banksters and installed their own economic system based on national productivity rather than fiat debt usury.

    This explanation is unfamiliar to me, but I’ll look into it. Thanks!

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  74. stickman says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Afghanistan is next door to Iran. Drugs pass thru Iran FIRST.

    Given that USA & Israel are intent on destroying Iran and Iran's young people (just like Hebrews slaughtered the first born of Egyptians) and are deliberately destabilizing Iran's economy in order to incite the young people to overthrow their government, it follows that Iran's young people are under pressure -- unemployment is high, thus family formation is difficult, etc. It next follows that disaffected young may resort to drugs to deaden their pain. And so a generation and then a society and then a culture and then a nation is destroyed.

    Seyed Hossein Mousavian has spoken passionately and often about the efforts of the Iranian government to stem the flow of drugs into Iran, because the Iranian leadership cares about its young people and about the future of the Iranian state and culture.


    Iran and the United States: An Insider's View on the Failed Past and the Road to Peace

    and http://www.c-span.org/video/?320226-1/book-discussion-iran-united-states

    PS to those who get their panties in a wad re immigration & refugees: Iran has been the go-to nation for refugees from Afghanistan and Iraq for over 20 years, in numbers approaching 3 million -- about 5% of Iran's population, the equiv of 15 million in USA. I talked with Afghan refugees in Mashad; they grew up in Iran; now, at college age, they are at a dead-end: Iran educated them thru = of US high school but they may not go to Iranian universities. They're stuck.

    Huge amounts of that heroin also go by way of the Central Asian Stans and thence into Russia, Ukraine and Europe. During the bad new daze of the drunken Yeltsin/Yiddischer Oligarch regime more than a million unemployed and disenchanted young Russians fell into the habit. I would suspect most of the horse that goes into Iran stays in Iran.

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  75. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Art

    Art: Please do not confuse and conflate all Jews with Rothschild Zionists. True Torah Jews, for example, are unbendingly opposed to the Zionist project. Jews of good conscience such as Jon Rappoport, Stephen Lendman and Norman Finkelstein are Americans first before any possible tribal considerations.
     
    May I disagree – the great bulk of Jew (85%+) support what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. If every Palestinian were to disappear today - they would cheer.

    There is no other honest word but “Jew” to label and describe them. Calling them Zionists has no real weight, no real moral force. As “Jews” they feel the heat of censure – but not as Zionists.

    Only when they hear the truthful word “Jew” will they change their ways.

    That is happening today – there a lot of powerful US Jews who selfishly, behind the scenes want Israel to settle with the Palestinians. (Trump’s son in law being one.)

    Keep the heat on “the Jew.”

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    wow, the guy is great. I am gonna take my time and listen to his stuff for the next few days.

    I love people who tell others to think.
  76. stickman says:
    @Art

    Art: Please do not confuse and conflate all Jews with Rothschild Zionists. True Torah Jews, for example, are unbendingly opposed to the Zionist project. Jews of good conscience such as Jon Rappoport, Stephen Lendman and Norman Finkelstein are Americans first before any possible tribal considerations.
     
    May I disagree – the great bulk of Jew (85%+) support what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. If every Palestinian were to disappear today - they would cheer.

    There is no other honest word but “Jew” to label and describe them. Calling them Zionists has no real weight, no real moral force. As “Jews” they feel the heat of censure – but not as Zionists.

    Only when they hear the truthful word “Jew” will they change their ways.

    That is happening today – there a lot of powerful US Jews who selfishly, behind the scenes want Israel to settle with the Palestinians. (Trump’s son in law being one.)

    Keep the heat on “the Jew.”

    Art: We will never likely agree on that. From whence did you pull that 85% figure? There are many young Jews who no longer buy into the Chosen Peeps = Master Race shtick. Granted, the “is it good for the Jews?” meme is still very powerful; but the general Awakening is an equal opportunity deployer.

    The number of Jews who buy into the Animal Farm equation of “some are more equal than others” as evinced by the Talmudic totem animal is gradually but steadily decreasing. This from one who recalls being sotto voce described as a “Goy”.

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    Art: We will never likely agree on that. From whence did you pull that 85% figure?

    stickman,

    The 85% figure was given to me by a knowledgeable Jew some 15 years ago. It is true that many of the old line Jews have died off sense then, and that many of the millennial Jews are less strident.

    I share your hope – but maybe not your optimism – to many bad things have happened – the hardline Jew quest for an ever greater Israel is not over. Human nature is what it is.

    I am a Christian – life is sacred – I do not want to see anyone suffer.

    Here’s to our mutual hope!

    Art
  77. @Tom Welsh
    Well, if you're in a submarine and someone up top is trying to kill you, the finer points of international diplomacy - such as who is at war with whom - might tend to be neglected until such time as you are no longer terrified of imminent death.

    I am reminded of an apocryphal story about the naval war in the Mediterranean. Polish military and naval personnel who had escaped to Britain were, cautiously, accepted into the British armed forces under certain conditions. The story was that this British submarine was entirely crewed by Poles, with a Polish captain, and just one British officer to act as liaison and ensure fair play. Seeing an Italian warship in his periscope, the captain unhesitatingly asked for a firing solution and began preparing to attack. "I say, wait a moment old chap!" expostulated the British officer. "You do realize that Poland is not officially at war with Italy, don't you? You can't attack that ship".

    To which he received the immortal reply: "I, Tadeusz, declare war on Italy! Fire one! Fire two! Fire three!..."

    Had I been a German WWII U-boat commander I would have torpedoed any ship attacking my submarine.

    I didn’t even mention the huge amount of military aid that the U.S. was shipping the U.K. at a time of purported neutrality. Submarine attacks on military convoys are perfectly justifiable.

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  78. @anon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px-mmxtUgmU&ebc=ANyPxKqgjQm3cbJaTLbISmTHMdtqBdq2S8dIR6JO_Pn9ExtaQ6hrBA1L8dQ02mI_bWnRyWESSTF4UpnOnosRSXfX3HGbXVdTTw

    wow, the guy is great. I am gonna take my time and listen to his stuff for the next few days.

    I love people who tell others to think.

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  79. Clyde says:
    @stickman
    Art: Please do not confuse and conflate all Jews with Rothschild Zionists. True Torah Jews, for example, are unbendingly opposed to the Zionist project. Jews of good conscience such as Jon Rappoport, Stephen Lendman and Norman Finkelstein are Americans first before any possible tribal considerations.

    These Jews of good conscience, whose primary allegiance is to humanity as a whole and perhaps even to earth as an entity, are NOT Chosen People = Master Racists. Please try to discriminate rather than pre-judge. Discernment is absolutely of essence or you may get entangled in one of the many webs the spider weaves.

    These Jews of good conscience, whose primary allegiance is to humanity as a whole and perhaps even to earth as an entity, are NOT Chosen People = Master Racists.
    You are correct.

    Islam is the world’s most enduring and successful imperialism throughout fourteen centuries. The Koran teaches that Muslims, particularly Arab Muslims are the world’s chosen people. Muhammad calls his Arab Muslim companions the “best of people” in the Koran or Hadiths. Chosen to fight Jihad until the entire world’s population belongs to Dar-al-Salam meaning the house of Islamic peace. This is why to be a real Muslim scholar you must know the Koran in medieval Arabic and be able to recite it. The average Muslim does not read the Koran. He depends on chosen preachers, most of whom are Salafists, stealth Jihadists and overt Jihadists.
    When Mohammad was born most of the Middle East was Christian. Muhammad and his successors conquered them and forcibly converted them to Islam. Lebanon was a holdout Christian Arab nation in 1940. Due to Muslim imperialism, today it is a Muslim nation with a besieged Christian minority.
    Rothschild and Israel are nothing compared to what the chosen (Allah selected) Arab Muslim’s Islamic imperialism has done to the Middle East. Not to mention Persia, India, Egypt and other nations.

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    Not a big fan of Islam, but it has more in common with Christianity than Judaism does. Judeo-Christianity is (yet another) hoax.
  80. Art says:
    @stickman
    Art: We will never likely agree on that. From whence did you pull that 85% figure? There are many young Jews who no longer buy into the Chosen Peeps = Master Race shtick. Granted, the "is it good for the Jews?" meme is still very powerful; but the general Awakening is an equal opportunity deployer.

    The number of Jews who buy into the Animal Farm equation of "some are more equal than others" as evinced by the Talmudic totem animal is gradually but steadily decreasing. This from one who recalls being sotto voce described as a "Goy".

    Art: We will never likely agree on that. From whence did you pull that 85% figure?

    stickman,

    The 85% figure was given to me by a knowledgeable Jew some 15 years ago. It is true that many of the old line Jews have died off sense then, and that many of the millennial Jews are less strident.

    I share your hope – but maybe not your optimism – to many bad things have happened – the hardline Jew quest for an ever greater Israel is not over. Human nature is what it is.

    I am a Christian – life is sacred – I do not want to see anyone suffer.

    Here’s to our mutual hope!

    Art

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  81. @Clyde

    These Jews of good conscience, whose primary allegiance is to humanity as a whole and perhaps even to earth as an entity, are NOT Chosen People = Master Racists.
    You are correct.
     
    Islam is the world's most enduring and successful imperialism throughout fourteen centuries. The Koran teaches that Muslims, particularly Arab Muslims are the world's chosen people. Muhammad calls his Arab Muslim companions the "best of people" in the Koran or Hadiths. Chosen to fight Jihad until the entire world's population belongs to Dar-al-Salam meaning the house of Islamic peace. This is why to be a real Muslim scholar you must know the Koran in medieval Arabic and be able to recite it. The average Muslim does not read the Koran. He depends on chosen preachers, most of whom are Salafists, stealth Jihadists and overt Jihadists.
    When Mohammad was born most of the Middle East was Christian. Muhammad and his successors conquered them and forcibly converted them to Islam. Lebanon was a holdout Christian Arab nation in 1940. Due to Muslim imperialism, today it is a Muslim nation with a besieged Christian minority.
    Rothschild and Israel are nothing compared to what the chosen (Allah selected) Arab Muslim's Islamic imperialism has done to the Middle East. Not to mention Persia, India, Egypt and other nations.

    Not a big fan of Islam, but it has more in common with Christianity than Judaism does. Judeo-Christianity is (yet another) hoax.

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    Not a big fan of Islam, but it has more in common with Christianity than Judaism does. Judeo-Christianity is (yet another) hoax.
     
    Islam has nothing in common with Christianity.
    , @Carroll Price
    Among friends, I have often made the observation that if Christians actually practiced Christianity, they would differ little from devout Muslims, because both are basically religions of peace, not war.
  82. KenH says:

    Notice how all nations considered our enemies, especially Russia, are curiously nations that Israel deems its enemies as well. Coincidence? I think not given the outsized Jewish influence in Washington D.C., otherwise known as Tel Aviv on the Potomac. Just like when Bill O’Reilly downplayed and even dismissed the nuclear threats made by N. Korea in 2002-3, but hyped the imaginary Iraqi WMD’s. The reason was that N.Korea posed no threat to Israel so America and Americans were supposed to just laugh it off.

    If we continue to let Israel write U.S. foreign policy then soon we will have no nation since our military will be too cynical, demoralized and exhausted to protect America.

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  83. Realist says:

    “Ash outlined his views at a “posture hearing” before the Senate Armed Services Committee on March 17th, part of a process intended to give still more money to the Pentagon, $582.7 billion to be exact for fiscal year 2017.”

    That is only part of the money spent on hegemony and war. Many other entities spending increase this cost closer to 0.9 trillion dollars.

    “Ash possibly could have benefited from having his historian hat on during his testimony as he might thereby recall that the last “anyone” to initiate a war with the U.S. was the Empire of Japan in 1941.”

    You mean as opposed to the asshat he wears now?

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  84. @alexander
    Interesting.

    But the very spending on our military excursion in Afghanistan so dwarfs the profits from the illicit cocaine and heroin trade's you refer to , its ....laughable.

    Its like spending 50 million dollars on a pistol so you can rob someone of a two hundred dollar crack bag.

    The war spending is the "meat" of its own devouring ...It is its own "Raison d'etre".

    Nothing else even comes close.

    In the past 15 years, the US has spent $686 billion dollars in Afghanistan. That works out to an average of $45 billion a year. The annual opiates market is worth $65 billion annually. Cocaine is worth $88 billion a year. The money spent on Afghanistan and Iraq for the past 15 years is $1.6 trillion or $107 billion a year. Cocaine and heroin, together, bring in $153 billion a year.

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    There's a certain consistency in US opium-based war economy.

    I maintain that Franklin Delano Roosevelt was the most evil president to have occupied the White House. His foreign policies were directly influenced by ultra-zionist Jews -- Felix Frankfurter is the one person with whom FDR discussed whether he should run in 1940; Frankfurter persuaded him to forego retirement to Hyde Park and run a war . FDR called in Archibald MacLeish to write up a statement that Roosevelt delivered the next day -- Richard Moe documents this in Roosevelt's Second Act.
    Bernard Baruch played a critical role in advising FDR -- plans for Mark Clark's solo assault on Rome were laid at Baruch's plantation in North Carolina.
    Rabbi Stephen Wise had ready access to FDR.
    Henry Morgenthau Jr. lunched with FDR almost daily; their farms on the Hudson adjoined.
    etc.
    Sam Untermyer was head of Dem party when FDR won governor's seat in NY.

    Frankfurter was also instrumental in Wendell Willkie's switch from Dem to Repub, and to Willkie's decision to run against FDR, and also for Willkie's pro-war platform: whoever won the 1940 campaign, war was guaranteed.

    FDR's foreign policy positions and machinations were as far removed as can be imagined from those that George Washington counseled in his Farewell Address.

    FDR diverted radically from the path that US founders intended.

    ---

    but to the Opium connection: Franklin Delano Roosevelt considered himself a Delano, above everything else. His Delano mother was his chief financier, promoter, and counsel.

    The Delano family made its money selling opium on the black-market in China.

    , @alexander
    Interesting.

    Are you living in the same United States that I am ?

    In 1999 our national debt was 5.7 trillion dollars...today its over 19 trillion.

    This means our government has overspent what it brings in, by 13.3 trillion dollars in 15 years.

    We have nearly quadrupled our entire national debt in a mere decade and a half.

    this represents nearly 900 billion in overspending, every year...since 9-11.

    The entire heroin , cocaine, AND cannabis market combined ,is a fraction of that.

    a fraction.

    This "overspending" does not even include the amount, "within" our budget, we have spent on our war making...

    It is beyond obscene how much money we have spent on war, ....beyond obscene.
  85. @Tom Welsh
    "All in spite of the fact that the U.S. military capabilities already exceed the resources of all potential adversaries combined".

    Perhaps. Certainly if measured by expenditure of money and hot air. However one has doubts; after all, the US armed forces haven't tackled a serious enemy for... oh, surely it can't be that long! I make it the American Civil War, when the part of the USA with overwhelmingly greater resources fought the part with most of the best military talent. And before that, the War of 1812 and the Revolutionary War.

    Any questions? Japan and Germany in 1941-5, eh? Well, Japan's industrial resources were tiny compared to the USA's, and even though FDR left the Japanese almost no alternative to war (he was strangling their economy to death with sanctions - sound at all familiar?) leaders like Admiral Yamamoto advised against war in the strongest terms. And I don't think it can have been wholly coincidental that the USA's war against Germany began exactly as the German attack on the USSR was stopped cold, ready to slide into reverse. I have read numerous sickening American boasts about how they routed the German armed forces in 1944, and I always think how dearly I would have loved to see them tackle the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS that attacked the USSR in 1941. The Americans would have been ground to powder - which is why they very sensibly stayed neutral until the tide of war had begun to swing decisively against Germany. Then the American eagle (a known carrion-eater), seeing the German wolf being crushed to death by the wounded Russian bear, swooped down and began viciously pecking at its exposed back.

    I don't think the US armed forces would do very well in a war against Russia and/or China today. For a start, such a war would have to be an "away fixture", as Russia and China have no intention of attacking the USA. Moreover, the Russians and Chinese create and deploy weapons systems for effect - not to line the pockets of profiteers. In a serious shooting war, the US aircraft carriers would be shown up as immense floating (but not for long) white elephants - massive targets for hypersonic missiles. Since the latest generation of US fighters simply doesn't work, American pilots would have to fly the previous generation against Russian and Chinese planes that are clearly superior. No, I don't think that would be a good idea at all.

    ” . . . In a serious shooting war, the US aircraft carriers would be shown up as immense floating (but not for long) white elephants–massive targets for hypersonic missiles. . . .”

    I agree. The aircraft carrier is a hugely vulnerable ship. She requires a battle group to protect her, and it could all go for naught when the bombs and/or torpedoes and/or missiles hit her. And even if she isn’t sunk, she can’t launch or recover aircraft when she’s burning or listing.

    Presumably, the boys with scrambled eggs on their caps know this. . . .

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  86. @Chris Mallory
    In the past 15 years, the US has spent $686 billion dollars in Afghanistan. That works out to an average of $45 billion a year. The annual opiates market is worth $65 billion annually. Cocaine is worth $88 billion a year. The money spent on Afghanistan and Iraq for the past 15 years is $1.6 trillion or $107 billion a year. Cocaine and heroin, together, bring in $153 billion a year.

    There’s a certain consistency in US opium-based war economy.

    I maintain that Franklin Delano Roosevelt was the most evil president to have occupied the White House. His foreign policies were directly influenced by ultra-zionist Jews — Felix Frankfurter is the one person with whom FDR discussed whether he should run in 1940; Frankfurter persuaded him to forego retirement to Hyde Park and run a war . FDR called in Archibald MacLeish to write up a statement that Roosevelt delivered the next day — Richard Moe documents this in Roosevelt’s Second Act.
    Bernard Baruch played a critical role in advising FDR — plans for Mark Clark’s solo assault on Rome were laid at Baruch’s plantation in North Carolina.
    Rabbi Stephen Wise had ready access to FDR.
    Henry Morgenthau Jr. lunched with FDR almost daily; their farms on the Hudson adjoined.
    etc.
    Sam Untermyer was head of Dem party when FDR won governor’s seat in NY.

    Frankfurter was also instrumental in Wendell Willkie’s switch from Dem to Repub, and to Willkie’s decision to run against FDR, and also for Willkie’s pro-war platform: whoever won the 1940 campaign, war was guaranteed.

    FDR’s foreign policy positions and machinations were as far removed as can be imagined from those that George Washington counseled in his Farewell Address.

    FDR diverted radically from the path that US founders intended.

    but to the Opium connection: Franklin Delano Roosevelt considered himself a Delano, above everything else. His Delano mother was his chief financier, promoter, and counsel.

    The Delano family made its money selling opium on the black-market in China.

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    If my recall is correct the Delanos started out in the slave trade and were Spanish/Portuguese Sephardics.
  87. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    Not a big fan of Islam, but it has more in common with Christianity than Judaism does. Judeo-Christianity is (yet another) hoax.

    Not a big fan of Islam, but it has more in common with Christianity than Judaism does. Judeo-Christianity is (yet another) hoax.

    Islam has nothing in common with Christianity.

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    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    Obviously there are big differences but Muslims accept that Jesus was a prophet, born of the Virgin Mary, with a mission to spread the Gospel, whereas Jews reject his divinity and regard him as a false prophet, and they reject his role as a Messiah. It's probably worth pointing out that is far more difficult to convert to Judaism than it is to Christianity or Islam, reflecting the racial aspect of Judaism for Jews as opposed to Christianity or Islam (despite Islam's obvious connection to the Arab world). Judaism is far less universalist, and it is hard to see how it is considered one of the worlds major religions when it has about 14 million adherents, vs 3-4 billion (approx. equal proportions) of Christians and Muslims. It speaks very poorly of American Evangelicals that they've fallen hook, line, and sinker for this whole "Judeo-Christian" value crap.
    , @anon
    Islam is almost a copy of Abrahamic Judaism. It can be thought of as an Arabized version of it. The only major difference is the apostleship of Muhammad at the top. Just about all his tenets, like the prohibition on pork for example, he took from Judaism.
  88. alexander says:
    @Chris Mallory
    In the past 15 years, the US has spent $686 billion dollars in Afghanistan. That works out to an average of $45 billion a year. The annual opiates market is worth $65 billion annually. Cocaine is worth $88 billion a year. The money spent on Afghanistan and Iraq for the past 15 years is $1.6 trillion or $107 billion a year. Cocaine and heroin, together, bring in $153 billion a year.

    Interesting.

    Are you living in the same United States that I am ?

    In 1999 our national debt was 5.7 trillion dollars…today its over 19 trillion.

    This means our government has overspent what it brings in, by 13.3 trillion dollars in 15 years.

    We have nearly quadrupled our entire national debt in a mere decade and a half.

    this represents nearly 900 billion in overspending, every year…since 9-11.

    The entire heroin , cocaine, AND cannabis market combined ,is a fraction of that.

    a fraction.

    This “overspending” does not even include the amount, “within” our budget, we have spent on our war making…

    It is beyond obscene how much money we have spent on war, ….beyond obscene.

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    Chris,

    You need to step back and really try to get your mind around how badly these people have flubbed it.

    Considering the fact our country could be operating at a surplus right now, not a monstrous , heinous debt, it is quite astonishing the level of criminal contempt these people have displayed toward the stewardship of our nation.

    Let us not forget the wholly fallacious " WMD imminent threat" scam, as well as the bogus "Saddam anthrax" scare, that were foisted on the taxpayer to goad us into war.

    This is not just wrong...it is downright evil.

    And to think I believed "everything" they told me.....My god man, what kind of inhuman monsters would lie us into war ?


    Make no mistake, there needs to be an accounting for the level of malevolent fraud foisted on all of us.

    This fraud has robbed us of tens of trillions of dollars we do not even have.

    How awful is that ?

    We should demand of all our nominees, as the mandate in the next election cycle , that all the deceivers be held to account ,to the fullest extent of the law.....first and foremost the backroom oligarchs who pulled the strings...

    First and foremost.

    The entire future of our country depends on this.

  89. stickman says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    There's a certain consistency in US opium-based war economy.

    I maintain that Franklin Delano Roosevelt was the most evil president to have occupied the White House. His foreign policies were directly influenced by ultra-zionist Jews -- Felix Frankfurter is the one person with whom FDR discussed whether he should run in 1940; Frankfurter persuaded him to forego retirement to Hyde Park and run a war . FDR called in Archibald MacLeish to write up a statement that Roosevelt delivered the next day -- Richard Moe documents this in Roosevelt's Second Act.
    Bernard Baruch played a critical role in advising FDR -- plans for Mark Clark's solo assault on Rome were laid at Baruch's plantation in North Carolina.
    Rabbi Stephen Wise had ready access to FDR.
    Henry Morgenthau Jr. lunched with FDR almost daily; their farms on the Hudson adjoined.
    etc.
    Sam Untermyer was head of Dem party when FDR won governor's seat in NY.

    Frankfurter was also instrumental in Wendell Willkie's switch from Dem to Repub, and to Willkie's decision to run against FDR, and also for Willkie's pro-war platform: whoever won the 1940 campaign, war was guaranteed.

    FDR's foreign policy positions and machinations were as far removed as can be imagined from those that George Washington counseled in his Farewell Address.

    FDR diverted radically from the path that US founders intended.

    ---

    but to the Opium connection: Franklin Delano Roosevelt considered himself a Delano, above everything else. His Delano mother was his chief financier, promoter, and counsel.

    The Delano family made its money selling opium on the black-market in China.

    If my recall is correct the Delanos started out in the slave trade and were Spanish/Portuguese Sephardics.

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  90. @Andrei Martyanov

    Not a big fan of Islam, but it has more in common with Christianity than Judaism does. Judeo-Christianity is (yet another) hoax.
     
    Islam has nothing in common with Christianity.

    Obviously there are big differences but Muslims accept that Jesus was a prophet, born of the Virgin Mary, with a mission to spread the Gospel, whereas Jews reject his divinity and regard him as a false prophet, and they reject his role as a Messiah. It’s probably worth pointing out that is far more difficult to convert to Judaism than it is to Christianity or Islam, reflecting the racial aspect of Judaism for Jews as opposed to Christianity or Islam (despite Islam’s obvious connection to the Arab world). Judaism is far less universalist, and it is hard to see how it is considered one of the worlds major religions when it has about 14 million adherents, vs 3-4 billion (approx. equal proportions) of Christians and Muslims. It speaks very poorly of American Evangelicals that they’ve fallen hook, line, and sinker for this whole “Judeo-Christian” value crap.

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    Two points--Sharia and, what Anwar Sheikh called a complete instrument of Arab imperialism. Islam is more than religion--it is a complete ideology which regulates even how one takes a crap.
    , @Ralph Raico
    Beefcake is spot on about the dumb-as-dirt Evangelical Israel-Firsters. Maybe they should talk to the hapless Christian priests who are spit on by yeshiva youth for wearing a crucifix. However, the comment by my fellow Giraldi fan is inadvertently misleading when he writes of Jesus that "Jews reject his divinity and regard him as a false prophet, and they reject his role as a Messiah." It's a bit more than that. The Talmud calls Jesus a bastard and a sorcerer who is boiling in excrement in hell, and says that Mary was a whore to Roman soldiers. Judeo-Christian values indeed.
  91. @stickman
    The Zionist state is the pet project of the Rothschild Crime Family. Their involvement with Jewish settlement there began with Baron Edmund de Rothschild in the 1870's shortly after they financed the creation of the Suez Canal, primarily at the time as part of their Empire of India scheme. Later, they sponsored various frontmen such as Herzl to be the public faces of Zionism.

    Several of the Neocons are likely knowing agents of the City of London puppeteers, as is their "made man", Little Georgie of the Sorrows, who was a penniless young Hungarian who had worked closely with both Zionist agents and the Gestapo in removing most of his fellow Hungarian Jews to the camps. There is no documentation that i can unearth on this assertion, merely intuition and a bit of the realization that somehow Soros always seemed to have inside information on where to place his financial bets ~ particularly when he sold short on the Pound and made billions.

    The Rothschilds totally financed and designed Israel's Supreme Court building in Jerusalem and the most prestigious residential address in Tel Aviv happens to be Rothschild Boulevard. Net and Yahoo dares not even pass gas without a thumbs up from his Masters.

    Should I assess your credibility by what you say about Soros when it is easy to verify that he was 13 years old when the Nazis were deporting Hungarian Jews?

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  92. @stickman
    The Zionist state is the pet project of the Rothschild Crime Family. Their involvement with Jewish settlement there began with Baron Edmund de Rothschild in the 1870's shortly after they financed the creation of the Suez Canal, primarily at the time as part of their Empire of India scheme. Later, they sponsored various frontmen such as Herzl to be the public faces of Zionism.

    Several of the Neocons are likely knowing agents of the City of London puppeteers, as is their "made man", Little Georgie of the Sorrows, who was a penniless young Hungarian who had worked closely with both Zionist agents and the Gestapo in removing most of his fellow Hungarian Jews to the camps. There is no documentation that i can unearth on this assertion, merely intuition and a bit of the realization that somehow Soros always seemed to have inside information on where to place his financial bets ~ particularly when he sold short on the Pound and made billions.

    The Rothschilds totally financed and designed Israel's Supreme Court building in Jerusalem and the most prestigious residential address in Tel Aviv happens to be Rothschild Boulevard. Net and Yahoo dares not even pass gas without a thumbs up from his Masters.

    I suspect you are close to 100 years out of date on the wealth, power and activities of the Rothschilds. Do you know any of them or the people who work for the remaining Rothschild financial organisations? Where do you get your information from? Any Rothschild influence exercised in or from London would surely be infinitesimal compared with the ownership of Congressmen in the US by the likes of Adelson.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Every single dollar that Adelson could muster would be matched by a million held by the Rothschilds.
    , @Junior

    I suspect you are close to 100 years out of date on the wealth, power and activities of the Rothschilds.
     
    Am I to understand you correctly, Wiz, in that you believe in this day and age, that reported wealth is an accurate measure of wealth? And if so, who is it that owns the Federal Reserve?
    , @stickman
    Blizzard of Ooze probably believes in the tales emanating from Forbes Magazine as to the relative wealth status of various mere billionaires. Needles to say the trillionaires no longer allow their controlled assets to be given scrutiny. When MSM was not totally under the heels of the banksters and their CIA doberman's, there was some information available as to the filthy levels of wealth held by the .000001%. A prime example, which appeared in several publications in the early 30's was that the Rockefeller fortune then exceeded $1 TRILLION (with a T, not a B, or an M). This was in the heart of the Depression (brought on by those selfsame bankster crime families) and was in owned assets, not controlled assets.

    Dig around the net a bit and the most agreed upon figures for the Rockefeller clan in terms of controlled assets happens to be in the neighborhood of $150 Trillion. They are pikers in comparison with their original financial backers, the Rothschild crime family, whose controlled assets are said to be in the neighborhood of $500 TRILLION. That kinda money can buy a lot of prostiticians, presstitutes, academicists and various other paid overseers.
  93. @Tom Welsh
    I too was rather impressed that Hitler personally chose to declare war on the USA, in support of his ally Japan. He had absolutely no other reason to saddle himself with another huge and powerful enemy. Whereas the USA, having egged Britain and France into war with Germany, then reneged on its implicit promise to help them and remained neutral for the next 27 months while France was conquered and Britain underwent a near-death experience, Hitler came to Japan's aid in less than a week. (The US government then took the farcical step of "declaring war" on Germany, so people could say they had done so later).

    As for Korea, it is a little known fact that many of the North Korean forces had distinguished themselves in the war for freedom against Japanese occupation. After the war some guys in an office in Washington, who had never been near Asia, drew an arbitrary line on the map of Korea and that was where North Korea was supposed to begin. As in Vietnam, the horrid communist invaders were largely motivated by a simple desire to reunite their country. Just like Abraham Lincoln, come to think of it.

    How come those North Korean communists whom you compare to Abe Lincoln ended up running the worst government anywhere in the world outside Africa especially if judged by the way the rulers treat the plebs?

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  94. R. E. Lee on the prospects of Union victory:

    “It will be sure to lead to tyranny at home and aggression abroad.”

    We’re there.

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  95. stickman says:
    @stickman
    Art: Please do not confuse and conflate all Jews with Rothschild Zionists. True Torah Jews, for example, are unbendingly opposed to the Zionist project. Jews of good conscience such as Jon Rappoport, Stephen Lendman and Norman Finkelstein are Americans first before any possible tribal considerations.

    These Jews of good conscience, whose primary allegiance is to humanity as a whole and perhaps even to earth as an entity, are NOT Chosen People = Master Racists. Please try to discriminate rather than pre-judge. Discernment is absolutely of essence or you may get entangled in one of the many webs the spider weaves.

    Clyde: If you deign to read a bit of history you will find that by and large the Muslims did NOT force Christians to convert. That is a major reason why Lebanon remained majority Christian till quite recently. Many immigrants among Lebanese Christians to countries all over the world. What Muslim rulers did do was tax their Christian subjects, while Muslims were not taxed. Ultimately, this resulted in a long-term wave of conversions by wealthier Christians which gradually tended to trickle down amongst the masses.

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  96. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Not a big fan of Islam, but it has more in common with Christianity than Judaism does. Judeo-Christianity is (yet another) hoax.
     
    Islam has nothing in common with Christianity.

    Islam is almost a copy of Abrahamic Judaism. It can be thought of as an Arabized version of it. The only major difference is the apostleship of Muhammad at the top. Just about all his tenets, like the prohibition on pork for example, he took from Judaism.

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  97. Ace says:
    @Tom Welsh
    I too was rather impressed that Hitler personally chose to declare war on the USA, in support of his ally Japan. He had absolutely no other reason to saddle himself with another huge and powerful enemy. Whereas the USA, having egged Britain and France into war with Germany, then reneged on its implicit promise to help them and remained neutral for the next 27 months while France was conquered and Britain underwent a near-death experience, Hitler came to Japan's aid in less than a week. (The US government then took the farcical step of "declaring war" on Germany, so people could say they had done so later).

    As for Korea, it is a little known fact that many of the North Korean forces had distinguished themselves in the war for freedom against Japanese occupation. After the war some guys in an office in Washington, who had never been near Asia, drew an arbitrary line on the map of Korea and that was where North Korea was supposed to begin. As in Vietnam, the horrid communist invaders were largely motivated by a simple desire to reunite their country. Just like Abraham Lincoln, come to think of it.

    It’s my understanding that it wasn’t “some guys in an office in Washington” drawing any arbitrary line in Korea. Rather, Dean Acheson indicated publicly that the line delineating the U.S. zone of interest in the Pacific stopped short of Korea. Since Marshall had done what he could to ensure that Mao would prevail in China, it’s odd that Acheson indicated the line would be where he indicated it would be.

    The communists in the North weren’t seeking to “reunite” their country but to conquer the south and make Korea one big happy, productive commie theme park.

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    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
    Ace, it's a tricky subject to research as opinions are so polarized. Western people blame everything on the "commies", while North Koreans, Chinese and Russians are inclined to allocate a lot of the blame to the Americans.

    See, for example, http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/11/economist-explains-1 for the "two guys in an office".

    For a much more detailed explanation, read "The Korean War: A History" by Bruce Cumings (ISBN-13: 978-0812978964) which is fairly cheaply available from Amazon. Billed as "a revisionist history", it's better described as spirited attempt to balance the establishment view that it was all the fault of the rotten commies. If you have an open mind, you may be surprised by some of the facts. (And you can check them elsewhere, although you may have to dig a bit - those facts are not facts our governments want you to see).

    As for the rottenness of present-day North Korea, I know that is what we are incessantly told. However, I suspend judgment somewhat. We were told similar things about Saddam Hussein's Iraq, Colonel Qadafi's Libya, and Bashar al-Assad's Syria; and whatever was bad about them previously, it is certain that things are far, far worse since Western "help" arrived.

    , @Carroll Price
    Meanwhile, the Republic of Vietnam has done quite well since defeating the US and becoming re-united as one country. I suspect the same would be the case if American had suffered a similar defeat in Korea.
  98. Ace says:
    @stickman
    "We" (actually the U$ puppet regime) have accomplished a lot in Afghanistan, though the accomplishments do NOT include the pipeline from the oilfields of Central Asia to the Indian Ocean which may have been objective #1. What has been accomplished has been the transfer of unimagined billions to the black-money coffers of the CIA which has controlled the world heroin industry as their chief cash-cow since early operations out of Laos and the Golden Triangle clear back in the 50's.

    Those of us who remain somewhat informed, conscious and cogent must remind ourselves that black funding for the CIA (the banksters' primary goonsquad) has enabled them to retain control over thousands of journalists worldwide, as was revealed just months ago by a former controlee who had worked for a major German publication . Primary facilitator in Dallas on 11-22-63 was none other than Daddy WarBush, who was actually photographed in front of the Texas Textbook Depository building on that infamous date.

    Control of the cocaine trade, especially that of crack dumped by agency agents with street criminals in the LA ghetto starting out, was revealed by a major Drug Enforcement Agency operative who somewhat mysteriously died not so long afterwards. The Agency had little "talks" with local police officials when they started getting too close to their "boys" in the hood.

    Nonsense.

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  99. RobinG says:
    @Junior

    Lucky Extra-Terrestrials, that they have not discovered this poor, miserable planet yet. Otherwise the US Military Industrial Propaganda Complex would have quickly found a way to make them into a threat
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQxzWpy7PKg

    Jr., did you post a link somewhere to a BBC documentary on the USS Liberty, or is that my imagination? If it was you, could you post the link here? Thanks.

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  100. St Just says:

    Yeehaw! Secretary Carter. All those people to bomb and kill for our corporations. All that delicious money to be made. What a sweet Bush_Cheney world this is becoming.

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  101. Tom Welsh says:
    @Ace
    It's my understanding that it wasn't "some guys in an office in Washington" drawing any arbitrary line in Korea. Rather, Dean Acheson indicated publicly that the line delineating the U.S. zone of interest in the Pacific stopped short of Korea. Since Marshall had done what he could to ensure that Mao would prevail in China, it's odd that Acheson indicated the line would be where he indicated it would be.

    The communists in the North weren't seeking to "reunite" their country but to conquer the south and make Korea one big happy, productive commie theme park.

    Ace, it’s a tricky subject to research as opinions are so polarized. Western people blame everything on the “commies”, while North Koreans, Chinese and Russians are inclined to allocate a lot of the blame to the Americans.

    See, for example, http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/11/economist-explains-1 for the “two guys in an office”.

    For a much more detailed explanation, read “The Korean War: A History” by Bruce Cumings (ISBN-13: 978-0812978964) which is fairly cheaply available from Amazon. Billed as “a revisionist history”, it’s better described as spirited attempt to balance the establishment view that it was all the fault of the rotten commies. If you have an open mind, you may be surprised by some of the facts. (And you can check them elsewhere, although you may have to dig a bit – those facts are not facts our governments want you to see).

    As for the rottenness of present-day North Korea, I know that is what we are incessantly told. However, I suspend judgment somewhat. We were told similar things about Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, Colonel Qadafi’s Libya, and Bashar al-Assad’s Syria; and whatever was bad about them previously, it is certain that things are far, far worse since Western “help” arrived.

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    • Replies: @Ace
    Mr. Welsh, you're right that opinions are polarized. I'm certainly one who blames everything on the commies. They controlled a lot of land and people during my entire life and "scheming bastards" was useful rule of thumb in assessing events. T.H. Fehrenbach's book has been one of the few books I've read and one of the things I remembered from it was the cruelty of the N. Koreans and the animal-like behavior of some of their women on the train that repatriated them after the war. I remember too the NK soldier at the DMZ who fractured an American officer's larynx in an unprovoked attack and the time NKs attacked and killed some of our guys clearing trees and vegetation.

    Andrew Salmon's To the Last Round: The Epic British Stand on the Imjin River, Korea 1951 is a fascinating book and it recounts how some of the captured British defenders were saved from summary execution by insistent NKs who demanded that the Chinese hand them over. They refused to do so over rifles leveled at the NKs. Salmon says there were instances of summary execution by the Chinese after overrunning the British line in one engagement but the Chinese proved to be friendly, oddly showing appreciation to the British for their stubborn defense. They conducted them safely north where they spent the rest of the war, whether in NK or China I do not recall. Probably China.

    Such stories challenge stereotypes about the Chinese. I can't say I'm aware of stories of the NKs that challenge me so. I realized sadly from Salmon's account that the Chinese were many of them former Nationalist soldiers who were just cannon fodder to Mao. That is one of the great tragedies of our time that we had to fight them. The Soviet pilots for their part also disliked fighting the Americans whom they knew had helped them greatly during the war.

    Reading individual German accounts of service on the Eastern Front also challenges stereotypes, to say the least, but that's another story.

    Given the ridiculous late entry of the Soviets to the war in the East and the enormous damage they did to China by way of removal of Manchurian industry and arming the Chinese communists, it was also a great tragedy that they were able to influence events in Korea, favoring as they inevitably would the Korean communists. I just can't see that they started out as jolly fine fellows who fought the Japanese bravely and, but for the intervention of the imperialists, would have ended up like the Nationalists on Taiwan.

    I'm rarely accused of having an open mind but I'll make a note of the book you kindly call to my attention. I'd be interested to look at it but more from the standpoint of the author of the piece I linked to in my original post, James Perloff, and of Diana West and M. Stanton Evans. My hypothesis now is not that the NKs, Sovs, and Chinese communists will prove to have been more benign than U.S. propaganda made out but that results were far more influenced by communists in our own ranks. Perloff is a 9-11 Truther, sorry to say, but I nevertheless consider him to have written a stunningly insightful account of the loss of China to communism. You just can't look at what happened and say that was not what the U.S. intended. It's bizarre and very difficult to understand. Just as is Ike's and Churchill's complicity in carrying out Operation Keelhaul.

    I have no doubt that accounts of modern NK are accurate. Brutal repression, waste, labor camps, famine, official luxury and privilege, and a terrified population.

    I quite agree with you re Iraq, Libya, and Syria. The Western world is quite insane on any subject you want to name. It dismays me that not only have we squandered the opportunity to create a stable and peaceful international order, not least by transforming NATO into a goad to use against the Russians. The whole useless enterprise in Afghanistan and Iraq and the filthy lies our officials told us about Libya and tell us about Assad are a disgrace. Any foreigner should quake in his boots at the idea that the U.S. is coming to "help" him, as you correctly note.

    So I'm more than willing to look at events since 1900 with fresh eyes. Liberty was rejected by Americans in 1913 and under FDR, the Constitution was discarded, and leftist zealots effected a coup in which the original American nation was defeated and reviled. So it seems to me.
  102. alexander says:
    @alexander
    Interesting.

    Are you living in the same United States that I am ?

    In 1999 our national debt was 5.7 trillion dollars...today its over 19 trillion.

    This means our government has overspent what it brings in, by 13.3 trillion dollars in 15 years.

    We have nearly quadrupled our entire national debt in a mere decade and a half.

    this represents nearly 900 billion in overspending, every year...since 9-11.

    The entire heroin , cocaine, AND cannabis market combined ,is a fraction of that.

    a fraction.

    This "overspending" does not even include the amount, "within" our budget, we have spent on our war making...

    It is beyond obscene how much money we have spent on war, ....beyond obscene.

    Chris,

    You need to step back and really try to get your mind around how badly these people have flubbed it.

    Considering the fact our country could be operating at a surplus right now, not a monstrous , heinous debt, it is quite astonishing the level of criminal contempt these people have displayed toward the stewardship of our nation.

    Let us not forget the wholly fallacious ” WMD imminent threat” scam, as well as the bogus “Saddam anthrax” scare, that were foisted on the taxpayer to goad us into war.

    This is not just wrong…it is downright evil.

    And to think I believed “everything” they told me…..My god man, what kind of inhuman monsters would lie us into war ?

    Make no mistake, there needs to be an accounting for the level of malevolent fraud foisted on all of us.

    This fraud has robbed us of tens of trillions of dollars we do not even have.

    How awful is that ?

    We should demand of all our nominees, as the mandate in the next election cycle , that all the deceivers be held to account ,to the fullest extent of the law…..first and foremost the backroom oligarchs who pulled the strings…

    First and foremost.

    The entire future of our country depends on this.

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    "Begin proudly admitted his terrorism in an interview for American television. When the interviewer asked him 'How does it feel in the light of all that's going on, to be the father of terrorism in the Middle East?' Begin proclaimed 'In the Middle East? In all the world!" - page 61

    Buy it, read it, and share it.

    http://www.amazon.com/Against-Our-Better-Judgment-History/dp/149591092X
  103. Tom Welsh says:
    @alexander
    Interesting.

    But the very spending on our military excursion in Afghanistan so dwarfs the profits from the illicit cocaine and heroin trade's you refer to , its ....laughable.

    Its like spending 50 million dollars on a pistol so you can rob someone of a two hundred dollar crack bag.

    The war spending is the "meat" of its own devouring ...It is its own "Raison d'etre".

    Nothing else even comes close.

    “Its like spending 50 million dollars on a pistol so you can rob someone of a two hundred dollar crack bag”.

    Almost. Its like spending 50 million dollars *of someone else’s money* on a pistol so you can rob someone of a two hundred dollar crack bag.

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  104. alexander says:
    @Tom Welsh
    "Its like spending 50 million dollars on a pistol so you can rob someone of a two hundred dollar crack bag".

    Almost. Its like spending 50 million dollars *of someone else's money* on a pistol so you can rob someone of a two hundred dollar crack bag.

    Exactly !

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  105. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @anon
    Islam is almost a copy of Abrahamic Judaism. It can be thought of as an Arabized version of it. The only major difference is the apostleship of Muhammad at the top. Just about all his tenets, like the prohibition on pork for example, he took from Judaism.

    True, to a degree.

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  106. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    Obviously there are big differences but Muslims accept that Jesus was a prophet, born of the Virgin Mary, with a mission to spread the Gospel, whereas Jews reject his divinity and regard him as a false prophet, and they reject his role as a Messiah. It's probably worth pointing out that is far more difficult to convert to Judaism than it is to Christianity or Islam, reflecting the racial aspect of Judaism for Jews as opposed to Christianity or Islam (despite Islam's obvious connection to the Arab world). Judaism is far less universalist, and it is hard to see how it is considered one of the worlds major religions when it has about 14 million adherents, vs 3-4 billion (approx. equal proportions) of Christians and Muslims. It speaks very poorly of American Evangelicals that they've fallen hook, line, and sinker for this whole "Judeo-Christian" value crap.

    Two points–Sharia and, what Anwar Sheikh called a complete instrument of Arab imperialism. Islam is more than religion–it is a complete ideology which regulates even how one takes a crap.

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  107. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    These bloodthirsty ghouls are like cancer cells…if not removed, they will kill us all. Ash Carter should be arrested, tortured till he confesses to something, then hung like the war criminal POS he is. This war culture bs has gone to far. We need to stop treating mercenaries as heroes.

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    • Replies: @stickman
    Disagree somewhat. Carter is a mere condottieri, a puppet, in fact and not the highest ranking of all known puppets.

    Public hanging at high noon on the Capitol Mall on the Fourth of July should be reserved for the leading "lights" of the Bu$h Crime Family; Cheney, the Dick; David Rockefeller; the chief string-pullers in the Rothschild Crime Family and the rest of the primary owners of the "Federal" Reserve Bank.

    The likes of Ash Carter, John Kerry and even MadWoman Albright should be carted out to that selfsame Capitol Mall to witness the festivities; then dumped in tubs of excrement to be followed by a nice tarring with cold-mix along with a thorough turkey-feathering and ultimately rode out of Washington over the Potomac on the American Revolution's traditional rails.
  108. @alexander
    Our national security apparatus has become so unhinged from reality..so committed to fraud...so under the yolk of the neocon mindset...it is a complete travesty to watch...and a complete tragedy for our Nation's balance sheet.

    Our military contractors addiction to war profiteering has let open the Pandora's box of evil.

    The idea that we are actively engaged in fabricating pretext's of conflict...merely to spend the taxpayers money in engaging them, has to be the very lowest point in our nation's history.

    Bearing witness to this transformation is nothing less than then the equivalent of watching Sergeant York "morphing" into Son of Sam.

    Let us consider for a moment, Afghanistan,.we have been there almost 16 years and what have we accomplished ?....Nothing.

    It seems the truth of the matter is that we are there, merely to spend the taxpayers money being there, and nothing more.

    All our traditional notions of War, as having a clear purpose, as having a beginning and an end,have been completely displaced by the Neocon concept of constantly inventing pretexts and conditions for wars continual perpetuation.

    For the Neocons..winning a war is actually making sure the war is never won at all.

    How much more sinister does it get then that ?


    None of our policies are designed to help anybody, just create more conflicts and pad the pockets of our war contractors, in the process.

    What is doubly evil is the very prevention, by our very own security apparatus, in letting the taxpayers (it is supposed to be protecting ), have access to its books.

    The Pentagon has refused an audit by the Government Accountability Office, for what seems like almost a decade now.

    Consequently we have no clue, how much of our trillions of hard earned taxpayer dollars are just padding the pockets of the Neocon War profiteers, and how much is actually being spent on our defense.

    No clue.

    What a mess, Mr. Giraldi.

    What a mess.

    All our traditional notions of War, as having a clear purpose, as having a beginning and an end,have been completely displaced by the Neocon concept of constantly inventing pretexts and conditions for wars continual perpetuation.

    The most important lesson the US learned from winning WW 2 is that winning a war is a mistake, never to be repeated.

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    The most important lesson the US learned from winning WW 2 is that winning a war is a mistake, never to be repeated.
     
    Your main point is completely misplaced. The problem with US is in the fact that it thinks that it "won" WWII and did it with style and having fun, never mind economic, demographic and operational realities of WW II being drastically different from popular narrative. US "elites" are not conditioned by war, neither is general American public, so it easy to sell to them just about any ridiculous military "concept". Obviously, once the reality sets in things begin to change. It has nothing to do with perceiving "winning the war" as a mistake. They would love to win the war--they just don't know how.
    , @alexander
    Hey Carroll,

    My father was in WWII, he was wounded more than once and received a purple heart and a bronze star for his service to our country.

    He said he watched as one of his best buddies got his head blown off.

    He said he was happy as a clam when we won the war...and that it was OVER...and he could go home.

    He felt we were right to be in that war, happy we were victorious,...and happier than hell to be stateside.

    He told me "war" is the worst thing there is in the world.

    The worst thing there is.

  109. @stickman
    Close: See my various comments. It would be the Department of WarDefense. The Empire is NOT American, though the cutting edge happens to be the banksters' #1 Pitbull Terrier, the U$ puppet regime's military. America was overthrown as a Republic by the unlawful passage of the "Federal" Reserve Act by a rump Congre$$ of Con$pirators and promptly signed on by a blackmailed President Wilson on Christmas Eve, 1913. It is all about defending the biggest moneymaker for the ruling banksters ~ the WarDefense industry.

    It is no coincidence that three years following the Federal Reserve Act being signed into law in 1913, and taking effect the following year, the US entered WW1. And certainly no coincidence that the US government (via the MIC) has maintained a state of war since that time.

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  110. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Carroll Price

    All our traditional notions of War, as having a clear purpose, as having a beginning and an end,have been completely displaced by the Neocon concept of constantly inventing pretexts and conditions for wars continual perpetuation.
     
    The most important lesson the US learned from winning WW 2 is that winning a war is a mistake, never to be repeated.

    The most important lesson the US learned from winning WW 2 is that winning a war is a mistake, never to be repeated.

    Your main point is completely misplaced. The problem with US is in the fact that it thinks that it “won” WWII and did it with style and having fun, never mind economic, demographic and operational realities of WW II being drastically different from popular narrative. US “elites” are not conditioned by war, neither is general American public, so it easy to sell to them just about any ridiculous military “concept”. Obviously, once the reality sets in things begin to change. It has nothing to do with perceiving “winning the war” as a mistake. They would love to win the war–they just don’t know how.

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  111. Russia has not only threatened its neighbors but has invaded them. I guess Giraldi has missed the news for the last 15 years.

    Whether Russia is able to revert to being the Soviet Union again is irrelevant to Putin. Putin is trying to revive the Soviet Empire, and he’s not asking Giraldi if it’s possible or not.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Your comments make perfect sense once inverted, consider ending each sentence with the word not.
    , @stickman
    The very acronym "Quartermaster" indicates a level of military indoctrination from which this individual obviously has yet to recover. Nosy, your assessment is spot on.
  112. alexander says:
    @Carroll Price

    All our traditional notions of War, as having a clear purpose, as having a beginning and an end,have been completely displaced by the Neocon concept of constantly inventing pretexts and conditions for wars continual perpetuation.
     
    The most important lesson the US learned from winning WW 2 is that winning a war is a mistake, never to be repeated.

    Hey Carroll,

    My father was in WWII, he was wounded more than once and received a purple heart and a bronze star for his service to our country.

    He said he watched as one of his best buddies got his head blown off.

    He said he was happy as a clam when we won the war…and that it was OVER…and he could go home.

    He felt we were right to be in that war, happy we were victorious,…and happier than hell to be stateside.

    He told me “war” is the worst thing there is in the world.

    The worst thing there is.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Agreed! War can be the death of a nation. A wise leader conserves his military strength. Sun Tzu
  113. Th is all very unfair to a country full of kind and generous well meaning people. Think of it this way. What if you were an alpha male lion with no rivals but you liked a bit of a scrap? Trouble is its very difficult to find someone to start a dust up with you. What cam you do?

    Reminds me of my old endlessly amiable alpha male Labrador. Marvellous with children but he had a very thick skin and just loved a good tooth in even if he knew it was naughty and would earn a slap that hurt my hand as he came back at sixth time of calling dripping with blood and affecting shame. He really expected everyone to believe his Tonkin Gulf stories.

    So, yeah, it’s hard for the US to find someone crazy enough to start a fight with it.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Hitting a dog is a very poor way to train it, evidenced by the repeated bad behaviour. Your dog whispering knowledge appears to be equal to your grasp of geo-politics. My dog walks off lead and will stand trembling just inches before a cat when told to stay.
  114. @Tom Welsh
    "All in spite of the fact that the U.S. military capabilities already exceed the resources of all potential adversaries combined".

    Perhaps. Certainly if measured by expenditure of money and hot air. However one has doubts; after all, the US armed forces haven't tackled a serious enemy for... oh, surely it can't be that long! I make it the American Civil War, when the part of the USA with overwhelmingly greater resources fought the part with most of the best military talent. And before that, the War of 1812 and the Revolutionary War.

    Any questions? Japan and Germany in 1941-5, eh? Well, Japan's industrial resources were tiny compared to the USA's, and even though FDR left the Japanese almost no alternative to war (he was strangling their economy to death with sanctions - sound at all familiar?) leaders like Admiral Yamamoto advised against war in the strongest terms. And I don't think it can have been wholly coincidental that the USA's war against Germany began exactly as the German attack on the USSR was stopped cold, ready to slide into reverse. I have read numerous sickening American boasts about how they routed the German armed forces in 1944, and I always think how dearly I would have loved to see them tackle the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS that attacked the USSR in 1941. The Americans would have been ground to powder - which is why they very sensibly stayed neutral until the tide of war had begun to swing decisively against Germany. Then the American eagle (a known carrion-eater), seeing the German wolf being crushed to death by the wounded Russian bear, swooped down and began viciously pecking at its exposed back.

    I don't think the US armed forces would do very well in a war against Russia and/or China today. For a start, such a war would have to be an "away fixture", as Russia and China have no intention of attacking the USA. Moreover, the Russians and Chinese create and deploy weapons systems for effect - not to line the pockets of profiteers. In a serious shooting war, the US aircraft carriers would be shown up as immense floating (but not for long) white elephants - massive targets for hypersonic missiles. Since the latest generation of US fighters simply doesn't work, American pilots would have to fly the previous generation against Russian and Chinese planes that are clearly superior. No, I don't think that would be a good idea at all.

    In a serious shooting war, the US aircraft carriers would be shown up as immense floating (but not for long) white elephants – massive targets for hypersonic missiles.

    Back in the 70s, Admiral Rickover, the “father of nuclear navy,” had to answer the question before the U.S. Senate: “How long would our aircraft carriers survive in a battle against the Russian Navy?” His response caused disillusionment: “Two or three days before they sink, maybe a week if they stay in the harbor.”

    Source: http://defence.pk/threads/how-long-would-the-us-navy-survive-in-a-shooting-war.368329/#ixzz46NfOCbE9

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    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    Roger Thompson published an excellent treatise (by Naval Institute Press) in 2006 "Lessons Not Learned. The US Navy Status Quo Culture"

    http://www.usni.org/store/books/ebook-editions/lessons-not-learned

    He addressed number (not all) of issues related to actual shooting war. The "free" pre-publishing version of this book could be found in Word format on the internet under the title "Is US Navy Overrated". But it is not just Thompson (however brilliant) who addresses the issue of operational realities and not just naval ones, number of US Army senior officers, such as Colonel Macgregor among many, speak about this for decades now.
  115. FLgeezer says:
    @alexander
    Chris,

    You need to step back and really try to get your mind around how badly these people have flubbed it.

    Considering the fact our country could be operating at a surplus right now, not a monstrous , heinous debt, it is quite astonishing the level of criminal contempt these people have displayed toward the stewardship of our nation.

    Let us not forget the wholly fallacious " WMD imminent threat" scam, as well as the bogus "Saddam anthrax" scare, that were foisted on the taxpayer to goad us into war.

    This is not just wrong...it is downright evil.

    And to think I believed "everything" they told me.....My god man, what kind of inhuman monsters would lie us into war ?


    Make no mistake, there needs to be an accounting for the level of malevolent fraud foisted on all of us.

    This fraud has robbed us of tens of trillions of dollars we do not even have.

    How awful is that ?

    We should demand of all our nominees, as the mandate in the next election cycle , that all the deceivers be held to account ,to the fullest extent of the law.....first and foremost the backroom oligarchs who pulled the strings...

    First and foremost.

    The entire future of our country depends on this.

    “Begin proudly admitted his terrorism in an interview for American television. When the interviewer asked him ‘How does it feel in the light of all that’s going on, to be the father of terrorism in the Middle East?’ Begin proclaimed ‘In the Middle East? In all the world!” – page 61

    Buy it, read it, and share it.

    http://www.amazon.com/Against-Our-Better-Judgment-History/dp/149591092X

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    Is that really true ?
    , @alexander
    you know, FLgeezer,

    Given the enormous amount of time and money Israel has been spent, vilifying Hamas, as the most vicious, evil, cut throat, and venal terrorist organization on the planet, I have a question for you....

    if this is all true.....How come they have such bad aim ?

    I mean of the 40,000 rockets they are said to have launched at Sderot, how come nearly all of them completely missed their mark ?

    Can they really be that "vicious"..if they cannot even hit the broad side of a city, let alone a barn ?

    Consider this too;

    Given the almost insane disparity in the military might, and hurting power, between the two sides, why would anyone ,let alone the Gazan people, provoke Israel into another conflict ?

    If all you have is a pea shooter, and the other fella has ten dozen howitzers...are you really itching for a dust up ?

    I began to wonder, when I saw photos of the enormous "Terror Tunnel" found on the Israel side of the border, this thing looked nearly 25 feet in diameter......My god, I thought to myself,what the Hamas organization can dig, with a bunch of spoons.

    And then it dawned on me...this could be a scam.....maybe the "terror tunnel" goes the other way?

    Not from Gaza into Israel...but from Israel into Gaza ?

    As a matter of fact,it would not surprise me in the least, (given the complete absence of a "Peace Plan" on the part of the Israeli government,) that this was ,indeed, the case.

    Maybe Israel, is dressing up some sneaky recruits, as Jihadists, infiltrating Gaza, through its "own"tunnel network, and launching these war provoking rockets at their own country.?

    This would sure explain why 98% of the terrorist rocket fire , into Israel, seems to always miss its mark...

    Because it always does.

    Its either that or Hamas has the "worst" aim of any "vicious" terror group, in the history of civilization.
  116. @stickman
    A fair to partly middling analysis. He never totally cuts to the chase. The real issue is the WarDefense Industry. I prefer that term to the "Defense Industry" or the Moos/Eisenhower "Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex. Why? It's all about defending war and those who most profit from the WarDefense Industry.

    Check out the #1 recipient of Congressional funding (defense contracts) Lockheed-Martin. When doing a small investigation of primary ownership, it came to light that the biggest owners just happen to be headquartered in the #1 locus of finance: City of London, an independent entity which holds sovereignty over and against metropolitan London AND the government of Great Britain. Who is the biggest player in City of London? The Rothschild crime family, of course.

    Working closely with crowned heads, the Vatican and other bankster clans, the Rothschilds primary income stream for 200 years now, just happens to be the financing of war-machines; frequently for both sides. They also happen to be primary owners of the U$ puppet regime via the so-called "Federal" Reserve Bank. U$ puppet regime officials, especially the top brass in the military (known for their brass/bronze probisci) are all condottieri for the ruling banksters.

    Many commentators, even in alternative media, are so scared for their professional reputations and social status that they dare not call it like it is. So they beat around the bush and in the words of Henry David Thoreau "hack at the branches rather than grub out the roots" (slight paraphrasing here). It strikes me that Giraldi has hacked away at quite a few major branch orfices.

    The exact quote:

    “There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root.”
    Henry David Thoreau

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  117. @stickman
    Those Congre$$critters are almost to a man or woman, subject to a constant stream of either blackmail or bribery. Dennis Hastert was a prime case in point of the former. This is also true in the higher reaches of the bureaucracy and the military. That is perhaps the major reason why the age of consent is set illogically high in most jurisdictions. The bankster cabal needs to maintain control. Bribery alone does not ensure absolute ownership as was the case with Hastert. He rose to Congressional heights because the fringe on top had dirt.

    Those Congre$$critters are almost to a man or woman, subject to a constant stream of either blackmail or bribery.

    That’s one of the primary purposes behind the all-expenses-paid-pilgrimages to Israel, American lawmakers and other high government officials are required to perform prior to assuming office. Where they are installed in plush quarters equipped with hidden cameras to record liaisons made with male and/or female prostitutes, according to individual preferences.

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    • Replies: @FLgeezer
    >That’s one of the primary purposes behind the all-expenses-paid-pilgrimages to Israel, American lawmakers and other high government officials are required to perform prior to assuming office.

    And if they fail to participate in the pilgrimage, they are guaranteed to be one-termers. But it is additionally tough to make it onto the ballot at all since they are vetted thoroughly to insure that they think "correctly" re matters Israeli.

    Our tax dollars at work:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/florida-to-get-holocaust-memorial-for-state-capital/
  118. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Carroll Price

    In a serious shooting war, the US aircraft carriers would be shown up as immense floating (but not for long) white elephants – massive targets for hypersonic missiles.
     
    Back in the 70s, Admiral Rickover, the “father of nuclear navy,” had to answer the question before the U.S. Senate: “How long would our aircraft carriers survive in a battle against the Russian Navy?” His response caused disillusionment: “Two or three days before they sink, maybe a week if they stay in the harbor.”

    Source: http://defence.pk/threads/how-long-would-the-us-navy-survive-in-a-shooting-war.368329/#ixzz46NfOCbE9

    Roger Thompson published an excellent treatise (by Naval Institute Press) in 2006 “Lessons Not Learned. The US Navy Status Quo Culture”

    http://www.usni.org/store/books/ebook-editions/lessons-not-learned

    He addressed number (not all) of issues related to actual shooting war. The “free” pre-publishing version of this book could be found in Word format on the internet under the title “Is US Navy Overrated”. But it is not just Thompson (however brilliant) who addresses the issue of operational realities and not just naval ones, number of US Army senior officers, such as Colonel Macgregor among many, speak about this for decades now.

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  119. @Beefcake the Mighty
    Not a big fan of Islam, but it has more in common with Christianity than Judaism does. Judeo-Christianity is (yet another) hoax.

    Among friends, I have often made the observation that if Christians actually practiced Christianity, they would differ little from devout Muslims, because both are basically religions of peace, not war.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Thank you Carroll, may God honor you in this world and the next. An informed and intelligent approach to resolve these conflicts is the call of the day.

    “…and We sent Jesus the son of Mary, and gave him the Gospel. And We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him, compassion and mercy…” 57:27

    , @anon
    Islam is NOT a "religion of peace". And it was spread just about everywhere by conquest.
  120. @Ace
    It's my understanding that it wasn't "some guys in an office in Washington" drawing any arbitrary line in Korea. Rather, Dean Acheson indicated publicly that the line delineating the U.S. zone of interest in the Pacific stopped short of Korea. Since Marshall had done what he could to ensure that Mao would prevail in China, it's odd that Acheson indicated the line would be where he indicated it would be.

    The communists in the North weren't seeking to "reunite" their country but to conquer the south and make Korea one big happy, productive commie theme park.

    Meanwhile, the Republic of Vietnam has done quite well since defeating the US and becoming re-united as one country. I suspect the same would be the case if American had suffered a similar defeat in Korea.

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    • Replies: @Ace
    The Socialist Republic of Vietnam has done well and has shown a commendable absence of rancor. I suspect there is the usual inefficiency and cronyism associated with a communist government but the overall result appears to be good, though I have not studied on this. I have no doubt that a non-communist government in the south would have done much better.

    The U.S. military was undefeated in Vietnam. Congressional Democrats engineered the political defeat that we suffered.
  121. Talha says:
    @Carroll Price
    Among friends, I have often made the observation that if Christians actually practiced Christianity, they would differ little from devout Muslims, because both are basically religions of peace, not war.

    Thank you Carroll, may God honor you in this world and the next. An informed and intelligent approach to resolve these conflicts is the call of the day.

    “…and We sent Jesus the son of Mary, and gave him the Gospel. And We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him, compassion and mercy…” 57:27

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  122. Ace says:
    @Tom Welsh
    Ace, it's a tricky subject to research as opinions are so polarized. Western people blame everything on the "commies", while North Koreans, Chinese and Russians are inclined to allocate a lot of the blame to the Americans.

    See, for example, http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/11/economist-explains-1 for the "two guys in an office".

    For a much more detailed explanation, read "The Korean War: A History" by Bruce Cumings (ISBN-13: 978-0812978964) which is fairly cheaply available from Amazon. Billed as "a revisionist history", it's better described as spirited attempt to balance the establishment view that it was all the fault of the rotten commies. If you have an open mind, you may be surprised by some of the facts. (And you can check them elsewhere, although you may have to dig a bit - those facts are not facts our governments want you to see).

    As for the rottenness of present-day North Korea, I know that is what we are incessantly told. However, I suspend judgment somewhat. We were told similar things about Saddam Hussein's Iraq, Colonel Qadafi's Libya, and Bashar al-Assad's Syria; and whatever was bad about them previously, it is certain that things are far, far worse since Western "help" arrived.

    Mr. Welsh, you’re right that opinions are polarized. I’m certainly one who blames everything on the commies. They controlled a lot of land and people during my entire life and “scheming bastards” was useful rule of thumb in assessing events. T.H. Fehrenbach’s book has been one of the few books I’ve read and one of the things I remembered from it was the cruelty of the N. Koreans and the animal-like behavior of some of their women on the train that repatriated them after the war. I remember too the NK soldier at the DMZ who fractured an American officer’s larynx in an unprovoked attack and the time NKs attacked and killed some of our guys clearing trees and vegetation.

    Andrew Salmon’s To the Last Round: The Epic British Stand on the Imjin River, Korea 1951 is a fascinating book and it recounts how some of the captured British defenders were saved from summary execution by insistent NKs who demanded that the Chinese hand them over. They refused to do so over rifles leveled at the NKs. Salmon says there were instances of summary execution by the Chinese after overrunning the British line in one engagement but the Chinese proved to be friendly, oddly showing appreciation to the British for their stubborn defense. They conducted them safely north where they spent the rest of the war, whether in NK or China I do not recall. Probably China.

    Such stories challenge stereotypes about the Chinese. I can’t say I’m aware of stories of the NKs that challenge me so. I realized sadly from Salmon’s account that the Chinese were many of them former Nationalist soldiers who were just cannon fodder to Mao. That is one of the great tragedies of our time that we had to fight them. The Soviet pilots for their part also disliked fighting the Americans whom they knew had helped them greatly during the war.

    Reading individual German accounts of service on the Eastern Front also challenges stereotypes, to say the least, but that’s another story.

    Given the ridiculous late entry of the Soviets to the war in the East and the enormous damage they did to China by way of removal of Manchurian industry and arming the Chinese communists, it was also a great tragedy that they were able to influence events in Korea, favoring as they inevitably would the Korean communists. I just can’t see that they started out as jolly fine fellows who fought the Japanese bravely and, but for the intervention of the imperialists, would have ended up like the Nationalists on Taiwan.

    I’m rarely accused of having an open mind but I’ll make a note of the book you kindly call to my attention. I’d be interested to look at it but more from the standpoint of the author of the piece I linked to in my original post, James Perloff, and of Diana West and M. Stanton Evans. My hypothesis now is not that the NKs, Sovs, and Chinese communists will prove to have been more benign than U.S. propaganda made out but that results were far more influenced by communists in our own ranks. Perloff is a 9-11 Truther, sorry to say, but I nevertheless consider him to have written a stunningly insightful account of the loss of China to communism. You just can’t look at what happened and say that was not what the U.S. intended. It’s bizarre and very difficult to understand. Just as is Ike’s and Churchill’s complicity in carrying out Operation Keelhaul.

    I have no doubt that accounts of modern NK are accurate. Brutal repression, waste, labor camps, famine, official luxury and privilege, and a terrified population.

    I quite agree with you re Iraq, Libya, and Syria. The Western world is quite insane on any subject you want to name. It dismays me that not only have we squandered the opportunity to create a stable and peaceful international order, not least by transforming NATO into a goad to use against the Russians. The whole useless enterprise in Afghanistan and Iraq and the filthy lies our officials told us about Libya and tell us about Assad are a disgrace. Any foreigner should quake in his boots at the idea that the U.S. is coming to “help” him, as you correctly note.

    So I’m more than willing to look at events since 1900 with fresh eyes. Liberty was rejected by Americans in 1913 and under FDR, the Constitution was discarded, and leftist zealots effected a coup in which the original American nation was defeated and reviled. So it seems to me.

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  123. alexander says:
    @FLgeezer
    "Begin proudly admitted his terrorism in an interview for American television. When the interviewer asked him 'How does it feel in the light of all that's going on, to be the father of terrorism in the Middle East?' Begin proclaimed 'In the Middle East? In all the world!" - page 61

    Buy it, read it, and share it.

    http://www.amazon.com/Against-Our-Better-Judgment-History/dp/149591092X

    Is that really true ?

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    • Replies: @FLgeezer
    Yes it is alex. Alison Weir's great book cites abundant evidence of jewish massacres. On page 59 you'll find this:

    "An Israeli eyewitness reported that at the village of a-Dawayima :The children they killed by breaking their heads with sticks. There was not a house without dead...One soldier boasted that he had raped a woman and then shot her.
    One Palestinian woman testified that a man shot her her nine-month-pregnant sister and then cut her stomach open with a butcher knife."

    Read this superbly documented book and find out the nature of those who have a stranglehold on America's finances, politics, publishing, and entertainment. These are good websites too:

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org
    http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/new/
  124. FLgeezer says:
    @Carroll Price

    Those Congre$$critters are almost to a man or woman, subject to a constant stream of either blackmail or bribery.
     
    That's one of the primary purposes behind the all-expenses-paid-pilgrimages to Israel, American lawmakers and other high government officials are required to perform prior to assuming office. Where they are installed in plush quarters equipped with hidden cameras to record liaisons made with male and/or female prostitutes, according to individual preferences.

    >That’s one of the primary purposes behind the all-expenses-paid-pilgrimages to Israel, American lawmakers and other high government officials are required to perform prior to assuming office.

    And if they fail to participate in the pilgrimage, they are guaranteed to be one-termers. But it is additionally tough to make it onto the ballot at all since they are vetted thoroughly to insure that they think “correctly” re matters Israeli.

    Our tax dollars at work:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/florida-to-get-holocaust-memorial-for-state-capital/

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  125. Ace says:
    @Carroll Price
    Meanwhile, the Republic of Vietnam has done quite well since defeating the US and becoming re-united as one country. I suspect the same would be the case if American had suffered a similar defeat in Korea.

    The Socialist Republic of Vietnam has done well and has shown a commendable absence of rancor. I suspect there is the usual inefficiency and cronyism associated with a communist government but the overall result appears to be good, though I have not studied on this. I have no doubt that a non-communist government in the south would have done much better.

    The U.S. military was undefeated in Vietnam. Congressional Democrats engineered the political defeat that we suffered.

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    http://www.g2mil.com/lost_vietnam.htm
    , @stickman
    Ace, to me it is quite evident that you speak from your heart AND from your individual level of overall understanding of how things really work. Back in '64 i was an avid Goldwater Republican ~ and more. However, over time my own point of view has become something other than a pattern of shared ideological beliefs.

    To the disagreement: You hold that the U$ military was undefeated in Vietnam. This is true only on the deepest levels where the City of London centered bankster cabal were the major victors in the war as their investments in the WarDefense industry were massive and indeed, monumental. Otherwise, because the draftee troops had come to realize that "we" had no intention of winning that war; their morale dropped to many degrees below zero. When the word got out that the bodies of U$ KIA's were eviscerated and then stuffed with bags full of heroin before being flown back stateside; the fragging incidents exploded exponentially.

    Belief in any essential difference between the Damocraps and the Repooplikkkans reveals a level of political sophistication which still has a number of steps to climb. America's greatest historical novelist and public commentator, Gore Vidal, accurately described the Democans and the Republicrats as "the two arms of the corporate party". (slight paraphrasing). These prostiticians and their parties are mere puppets for the owners of the "Federal" Reserve Bank.
  126. alexander says:
    @FLgeezer
    "Begin proudly admitted his terrorism in an interview for American television. When the interviewer asked him 'How does it feel in the light of all that's going on, to be the father of terrorism in the Middle East?' Begin proclaimed 'In the Middle East? In all the world!" - page 61

    Buy it, read it, and share it.

    http://www.amazon.com/Against-Our-Better-Judgment-History/dp/149591092X

    you know, FLgeezer,

    Given the enormous amount of time and money Israel has been spent, vilifying Hamas, as the most vicious, evil, cut throat, and venal terrorist organization on the planet, I have a question for you….

    if this is all true…..How come they have such bad aim ?

    I mean of the 40,000 rockets they are said to have launched at Sderot, how come nearly all of them completely missed their mark ?

    Can they really be that “vicious”..if they cannot even hit the broad side of a city, let alone a barn ?

    Consider this too;

    Given the almost insane disparity in the military might, and hurting power, between the two sides, why would anyone ,let alone the Gazan people, provoke Israel into another conflict ?

    If all you have is a pea shooter, and the other fella has ten dozen howitzers…are you really itching for a dust up ?

    I began to wonder, when I saw photos of the enormous “Terror Tunnel” found on the Israel side of the border, this thing looked nearly 25 feet in diameter……My god, I thought to myself,what the Hamas organization can dig, with a bunch of spoons.

    And then it dawned on me…this could be a scam…..maybe the “terror tunnel” goes the other way?

    Not from Gaza into Israel…but from Israel into Gaza ?

    As a matter of fact,it would not surprise me in the least, (given the complete absence of a “Peace Plan” on the part of the Israeli government,) that this was ,indeed, the case.

    Maybe Israel, is dressing up some sneaky recruits, as Jihadists, infiltrating Gaza, through its “own”tunnel network, and launching these war provoking rockets at their own country.?

    This would sure explain why 98% of the terrorist rocket fire , into Israel, seems to always miss its mark…

    Because it always does.

    Its either that or Hamas has the “worst” aim of any “vicious” terror group, in the history of civilization.

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    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    When you consider Israel's long history of using false flag attacks to justify wars of aggression (9/11 anyone?) it becomes perfectly logical to assume that the "terrorist rocket attacks" that never actually to hit anything are exactly what they appear to be.
  127. FLgeezer says:
    @alexander
    Is that really true ?

    Yes it is alex. Alison Weir’s great book cites abundant evidence of jewish massacres. On page 59 you’ll find this:

    “An Israeli eyewitness reported that at the village of a-Dawayima :The children they killed by breaking their heads with sticks. There was not a house without dead…One soldier boasted that he had raped a woman and then shot her.
    One Palestinian woman testified that a man shot her her nine-month-pregnant sister and then cut her stomach open with a butcher knife.”

    Read this superbly documented book and find out the nature of those who have a stranglehold on America’s finances, politics, publishing, and entertainment. These are good websites too:

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org

    http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/new/

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    • Replies: @alexander
    This is horrible.

    To think the children of the Holocaust could be capable of such vile and sadistic behavior.

    What a shocker !

    I almost don't believe it.
  128. woodNfish says:

    I respect Ash at least a bit because he once studied Medieval History at Yale, though he apparently has forgotten about the Hundred Years War and the War of the Roses. Both devastated winners and losers alike, a salutary lesson for those who are concerned about what the United States has been up to for the past fifteen years.

    Ummm, I’ve got news for you Giraldi, the US has been at this since the end of WWII. And if you look at the timeline I provide a link too, we have been at it ever since our founding. Few of these military actions have had anything to do with protecting this country or our freedom. This is a country built on lies. Amerikans are an incredibly stupid bunch and don’t realize just how easily they are led by propaganda.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations#1945.E2.80.931949

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  129. alexander says:
    @FLgeezer
    Yes it is alex. Alison Weir's great book cites abundant evidence of jewish massacres. On page 59 you'll find this:

    "An Israeli eyewitness reported that at the village of a-Dawayima :The children they killed by breaking their heads with sticks. There was not a house without dead...One soldier boasted that he had raped a woman and then shot her.
    One Palestinian woman testified that a man shot her her nine-month-pregnant sister and then cut her stomach open with a butcher knife."

    Read this superbly documented book and find out the nature of those who have a stranglehold on America's finances, politics, publishing, and entertainment. These are good websites too:

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org
    http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/new/

    This is horrible.

    To think the children of the Holocaust could be capable of such vile and sadistic behavior.

    What a shocker !

    I almost don’t believe it.

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    Believe it.

    Israel is founded on terror, false flags, assassinations, murder and ethnic cleansing.

    http://www.deiryassin.org/
    DEIR YASSIN REMEMBERED

    And if you have to hear it from a Jew to believe it, this is from Mondoweiss --
    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/04/the-symbol-of-nakba-deir-yassin-remembered/
    The symbol of Nakba: Deir Yassin remembered
  130. @Beefcake the Mighty
    Obviously there are big differences but Muslims accept that Jesus was a prophet, born of the Virgin Mary, with a mission to spread the Gospel, whereas Jews reject his divinity and regard him as a false prophet, and they reject his role as a Messiah. It's probably worth pointing out that is far more difficult to convert to Judaism than it is to Christianity or Islam, reflecting the racial aspect of Judaism for Jews as opposed to Christianity or Islam (despite Islam's obvious connection to the Arab world). Judaism is far less universalist, and it is hard to see how it is considered one of the worlds major religions when it has about 14 million adherents, vs 3-4 billion (approx. equal proportions) of Christians and Muslims. It speaks very poorly of American Evangelicals that they've fallen hook, line, and sinker for this whole "Judeo-Christian" value crap.

    Beefcake is spot on about the dumb-as-dirt Evangelical Israel-Firsters. Maybe they should talk to the hapless Christian priests who are spit on by yeshiva youth for wearing a crucifix. However, the comment by my fellow Giraldi fan is inadvertently misleading when he writes of Jesus that “Jews reject his divinity and regard him as a false prophet, and they reject his role as a Messiah.” It’s a bit more than that. The Talmud calls Jesus a bastard and a sorcerer who is boiling in excrement in hell, and says that Mary was a whore to Roman soldiers. Judeo-Christian values indeed.

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    • Replies: @stickman
    Ralph: THEY like to call it "Judeo-Christian Civilization". Firstly, i call that BULL. On reflection, some years back i slightly altered the term to Judie-Christy Magic Mindfkkk. Not sure whether Unz allows for use of the real spelling, so i altered it slightly, though i'm sure you get the drift.

    Why is it a Mindfkkk? Because, this Constantinian re-casting of original Christianity by way of the Bible he commissioned, where much was deleted from original texts and a good deal added in the interests of people control by the Roman State; was the creation of a new state religion based upon elimination of the truly spiritual aspects of what we know of original Christianity from the texts discovered in the Qumram caves and at Nag Hammadi.

    As for the Judaic side of this contemptuous concatenation of cross-consciousness; much of the Old Testicles was redacted in Ptolemaic Egypt by Jewish "scholars" into the Septuagint, where again, much was eliminated from original texts and a tremendous amount of bull was added to the Judaic golden calf mythos. One example: The tales of the Exodus are totally false as the original Israelites originated in the vicinities of Yemen and Saudi, rather than as slaves in Egypt. And THAT is the foundation of the Torah. The Talmudic strain, originating in Babylon the Great, was correctly described by the Christed one as "the Synagog of Satan".
  131. @Wizard of Oz
    I suspect you are close to 100 years out of date on the wealth, power and activities of the Rothschilds. Do you know any of them or the people who work for the remaining Rothschild financial organisations? Where do you get your information from? Any Rothschild influence exercised in or from London would surely be infinitesimal compared with the ownership of Congressmen in the US by the likes of Adelson.

    Every single dollar that Adelson could muster would be matched by a million held by the Rothschilds.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Since your figures "matched by a million"!!! can't possibly be right I question the substance of your comparison. Still I would be interested to know more if you can provide sources and evidence about Rothschild wealth today. I read a book about the Rothschild family many years ago and the Vice-Chairman of the London bank in the 80s was a friend but maybe there are much bigger gaps in my knowledge than I could guess.
  132. @Quartermaster
    Russia has not only threatened its neighbors but has invaded them. I guess Giraldi has missed the news for the last 15 years.

    Whether Russia is able to revert to being the Soviet Union again is irrelevant to Putin. Putin is trying to revive the Soviet Empire, and he's not asking Giraldi if it's possible or not.

    Your comments make perfect sense once inverted, consider ending each sentence with the word not.

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  133. @alexander
    Hey Carroll,

    My father was in WWII, he was wounded more than once and received a purple heart and a bronze star for his service to our country.

    He said he watched as one of his best buddies got his head blown off.

    He said he was happy as a clam when we won the war...and that it was OVER...and he could go home.

    He felt we were right to be in that war, happy we were victorious,...and happier than hell to be stateside.

    He told me "war" is the worst thing there is in the world.

    The worst thing there is.

    Agreed! War can be the death of a nation. A wise leader conserves his military strength. Sun Tzu

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  134. @Wizard of Oz
    Th is all very unfair to a country full of kind and generous well meaning people. Think of it this way. What if you were an alpha male lion with no rivals but you liked a bit of a scrap? Trouble is its very difficult to find someone to start a dust up with you. What cam you do?

    Reminds me of my old endlessly amiable alpha male Labrador. Marvellous with children but he had a very thick skin and just loved a good tooth in even if he knew it was naughty and would earn a slap that hurt my hand as he came back at sixth time of calling dripping with blood and affecting shame. He really expected everyone to believe his Tonkin Gulf stories.

    So, yeah, it's hard for the US to find someone crazy enough to start a fight with it.

    Hitting a dog is a very poor way to train it, evidenced by the repeated bad behaviour. Your dog whispering knowledge appears to be equal to your grasp of geo-politics. My dog walks off lead and will stand trembling just inches before a cat when told to stay.

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  135. @alexander
    you know, FLgeezer,

    Given the enormous amount of time and money Israel has been spent, vilifying Hamas, as the most vicious, evil, cut throat, and venal terrorist organization on the planet, I have a question for you....

    if this is all true.....How come they have such bad aim ?

    I mean of the 40,000 rockets they are said to have launched at Sderot, how come nearly all of them completely missed their mark ?

    Can they really be that "vicious"..if they cannot even hit the broad side of a city, let alone a barn ?

    Consider this too;

    Given the almost insane disparity in the military might, and hurting power, between the two sides, why would anyone ,let alone the Gazan people, provoke Israel into another conflict ?

    If all you have is a pea shooter, and the other fella has ten dozen howitzers...are you really itching for a dust up ?

    I began to wonder, when I saw photos of the enormous "Terror Tunnel" found on the Israel side of the border, this thing looked nearly 25 feet in diameter......My god, I thought to myself,what the Hamas organization can dig, with a bunch of spoons.

    And then it dawned on me...this could be a scam.....maybe the "terror tunnel" goes the other way?

    Not from Gaza into Israel...but from Israel into Gaza ?

    As a matter of fact,it would not surprise me in the least, (given the complete absence of a "Peace Plan" on the part of the Israeli government,) that this was ,indeed, the case.

    Maybe Israel, is dressing up some sneaky recruits, as Jihadists, infiltrating Gaza, through its "own"tunnel network, and launching these war provoking rockets at their own country.?

    This would sure explain why 98% of the terrorist rocket fire , into Israel, seems to always miss its mark...

    Because it always does.

    Its either that or Hamas has the "worst" aim of any "vicious" terror group, in the history of civilization.

    When you consider Israel’s long history of using false flag attacks to justify wars of aggression (9/11 anyone?) it becomes perfectly logical to assume that the “terrorist rocket attacks” that never actually to hit anything are exactly what they appear to be.

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    • Replies: @alexander
    I suppose its a very similar technique to staging the anthrax attacks in Senator Leahy and Tom Brokaw's offices and then Blaming it on Saddam to goad us into war with Iraq.


    This kind of terror fraud, being so rampant and uncontested, has done enormous damage to the well being of our country.

    How destabilizing is it for our national security that these false flag incidents have gone unaddressed for so long ?

    It would seem our government, if it truly working in the interest the people, and the safety of the nation as a whole,would go after those committing this kind of fraud....with a vengeance.

    How can you ever be rid of the true enemy who is attacking you, if that enemy keeps getting away with fooling you into believing it was those they wish you to attack, not themselves, who are responsible ?
  136. @Ace
    The Socialist Republic of Vietnam has done well and has shown a commendable absence of rancor. I suspect there is the usual inefficiency and cronyism associated with a communist government but the overall result appears to be good, though I have not studied on this. I have no doubt that a non-communist government in the south would have done much better.

    The U.S. military was undefeated in Vietnam. Congressional Democrats engineered the political defeat that we suffered.
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    • Replies: @Ace
    I am not a proponent of the idea that we never lost a battle. Rather, along with Frank Snepp, I think it is clear that U.S. forces effected a military victory overall.
  137. RobinG says:
    @alexander
    This is horrible.

    To think the children of the Holocaust could be capable of such vile and sadistic behavior.

    What a shocker !

    I almost don't believe it.

    Believe it.

    Israel is founded on terror, false flags, assassinations, murder and ethnic cleansing.

    http://www.deiryassin.org/

    DEIR YASSIN REMEMBERED

    And if you have to hear it from a Jew to believe it, this is from Mondoweiss –

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/04/the-symbol-of-nakba-deir-yassin-remembered/

    The symbol of Nakba: Deir Yassin remembered

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  138. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    I suspect you are close to 100 years out of date on the wealth, power and activities of the Rothschilds. Do you know any of them or the people who work for the remaining Rothschild financial organisations? Where do you get your information from? Any Rothschild influence exercised in or from London would surely be infinitesimal compared with the ownership of Congressmen in the US by the likes of Adelson.

    I suspect you are close to 100 years out of date on the wealth, power and activities of the Rothschilds.

    Am I to understand you correctly, Wiz, in that you believe in this day and age, that reported wealth is an accurate measure of wealth? And if so, who is it that owns the Federal Reserve?

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Depends who's reporting and where. As to "ownership" of the Fed I know its structure is very odd in comparison to all the countries which have a single, simple, central, government appointed body but please enlighten me as to who "owns" the Fed and what the legal attributes and financial consequences are as it doesn't sound like ownership of a typical business or capital asset to me.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    Wizard of Oz may be right, Jr.

    To the extent Rothschilds still have massive wealth, why would they waste it on activities to influence US - superpower - other states' policies when the US Federal Reserve system is its bottomless piggy bank; the US Congress spends from that bottomless piggy without accountability; and both institutions were created and managed by the same people who created Rothschilds' original wealth.

    US taxpayers are the 'gold reserve' for the Fed fiat money system.

    And just in case that somehow fails, US taxpayers shovel $4.5 billion to Israel every year.

    American taxpayers are subsidizing their own subversion.

    Rothschilds need function only to put labels on champagne bottles.

  139. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @stickman
    Alexander: There is a far deeper agenda behind control over the heroin and cocaine trades than just the financial aspect. We also must consider what crack did to the Black Power movement and the inroads heroin is now making into those decaying coal-mining communities in Appalachia and the old, dying industrial towns in the mid-east and mid-west. Those happen to be targeted populations which eugenics freaks like several Rockefellers and Bill Gates refer to as "useless eaters".

    There are many layers to the NWO onion.

    Amen, stickman! And let’s not forget the Prison Industrial Complex.

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  140. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @alexander
    Interesting.

    But the very spending on our military excursion in Afghanistan so dwarfs the profits from the illicit cocaine and heroin trade's you refer to , its ....laughable.

    Its like spending 50 million dollars on a pistol so you can rob someone of a two hundred dollar crack bag.

    The war spending is the "meat" of its own devouring ...It is its own "Raison d'etre".

    Nothing else even comes close.

    “But the very spending on our military excursion in Afghanistan so dwarfs the profits from the illicit cocaine and heroin trade’s you refer to , its ….laughable.”

    I agree with alot of what you say, Alexander, but you seem to be missing the point. The profits from the drug trade are going into the CIA’s Black Budget. It has nothing to do with cost-benefit ratios to them.

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    • Replies: @alexander
    But it should !

    The solvency of the United States is a supreme national security issue.

    One that should be first and foremost in the minds of all our policy makers.

    Not one of these neocon policy advisers ever considered the enormous damage their grand and superfluous regime change "schemes" in the middle east ,would exact on our nations balance sheet.

    And if they did, they should be arrested right away.

    I consider this massive hemorrhaging of our nations wealth a sinister assault against the well being of all Americans, and the long term security of the United States.


    Don't you ?
  141. @Junior

    I suspect you are close to 100 years out of date on the wealth, power and activities of the Rothschilds.
     
    Am I to understand you correctly, Wiz, in that you believe in this day and age, that reported wealth is an accurate measure of wealth? And if so, who is it that owns the Federal Reserve?

    Depends who’s reporting and where. As to “ownership” of the Fed I know its structure is very odd in comparison to all the countries which have a single, simple, central, government appointed body but please enlighten me as to who “owns” the Fed and what the legal attributes and financial consequences are as it doesn’t sound like ownership of a typical business or capital asset to me.

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    • Replies: @Junior
    "please enlighten me as to who “owns” the Fed and what the legal attributes and financial consequences are as it doesn’t sound like ownership of a typical business or capital asset to me."

    That is the whole point, who the hell knows who owns the FED. There is absolutely ZERO accountability, legally or financially. Who are the private banks that pay their shareholders, who are the shareholders, how much are they making, are they only taking 6% profit as they're supposed to, what do their books say? NOBODY knows. But we do know that the Rothschilds were the one's that set-up the system through their puppets in America that they financed 100 years ago. They were the ones responsible for it in the beginning and as far as I can tell nothing has changed with the FED in the last 100 years. The Rothschilds STILL control it and therefore they control America through setting our economic policy. They have so much money that it means absolutely nothing to them at this point. It is ALL about power and control.
  142. @NoseytheDuke
    Every single dollar that Adelson could muster would be matched by a million held by the Rothschilds.

    Since your figures “matched by a million”!!! can’t possibly be right I question the substance of your comparison. Still I would be interested to know more if you can provide sources and evidence about Rothschild wealth today. I read a book about the Rothschild family many years ago and the Vice-Chairman of the London bank in the 80s was a friend but maybe there are much bigger gaps in my knowledge than I could guess.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Read more books on them. As to the gaps in your knowledge, they are regularly displayed on this very website.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Are you content to display yourself as assertive but without any evident basis for your assertions and both proactively and reflexively aggressive to cover for your chronic and justified insecurity? If you can't feel comfortable in relaxed conversation with people whose egos are strong and don't need to prove themselves with petty aggressions you should consider proving yourself, or at least giving yourself a chance with sound logic and reliable facts.
  143. @Wizard of Oz
    Since your figures "matched by a million"!!! can't possibly be right I question the substance of your comparison. Still I would be interested to know more if you can provide sources and evidence about Rothschild wealth today. I read a book about the Rothschild family many years ago and the Vice-Chairman of the London bank in the 80s was a friend but maybe there are much bigger gaps in my knowledge than I could guess.

    Read more books on them. As to the gaps in your knowledge, they are regularly displayed on this very website.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    #148 was a reply to you that somehow got tangled in the machinery...
  144. alexander says:
    @Junior
    "But the very spending on our military excursion in Afghanistan so dwarfs the profits from the illicit cocaine and heroin trade’s you refer to , its ….laughable."

    I agree with alot of what you say, Alexander, but you seem to be missing the point. The profits from the drug trade are going into the CIA's Black Budget. It has nothing to do with cost-benefit ratios to them.

    But it should !

    The solvency of the United States is a supreme national security issue.

    One that should be first and foremost in the minds of all our policy makers.

    Not one of these neocon policy advisers ever considered the enormous damage their grand and superfluous regime change “schemes” in the middle east ,would exact on our nations balance sheet.

    And if they did, they should be arrested right away.

    I consider this massive hemorrhaging of our nations wealth a sinister assault against the well being of all Americans, and the long term security of the United States.

    Don’t you ?

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    • Replies: @FLgeezer
    >Not one of these neocon policy advisers ever considered the enormous damage their grand and superfluous regime change “schemes” in the middle east ,would exact on our nations balance sheet.

    Naming names:

    http://www.fgfbooks.com/Sobran-Joe/2009-Sobran/Sobran090408.html

    And specifying victims:

    http://original.antiwar.com/vlahos/2009/11/16/iraqi-christians-seek-return-sense-extinction/
    , @Junior
    "Don’t you ?"

    Yes, I do, Alexander. Yes, I do. Amen, Brother!
  145. @Wizard of Oz
    Since your figures "matched by a million"!!! can't possibly be right I question the substance of your comparison. Still I would be interested to know more if you can provide sources and evidence about Rothschild wealth today. I read a book about the Rothschild family many years ago and the Vice-Chairman of the London bank in the 80s was a friend but maybe there are much bigger gaps in my knowledge than I could guess.

    Are you content to display yourself as assertive but without any evident basis for your assertions and both proactively and reflexively aggressive to cover for your chronic and justified insecurity? If you can’t feel comfortable in relaxed conversation with people whose egos are strong and don’t need to prove themselves with petty aggressions you should consider proving yourself, or at least giving yourself a chance with sound logic and reliable facts.

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    • Replies: @stickman
    Wizz: Your entire take appears to be that of an academicist. Strong ego, i believe. It would also appear that you have been a bit less than truly diligent in researching the Rothschilds, both in terms of books read, but also in delving through various internet sites which treat with the issue of the most powerful clan on the planet.

    Recently i finally got around to reading Stephen Birmingham's "Our Crowd" where i learned that back in 1837 the Rothschilds were still quite open about dispatching agents to run the show in the U$; where in congruence with their creating the bank Panic of 1837, they sent August Belmont (Schoenstein) to coordinate financial arrangements in America.

    Several years later, their agent, Benjamin Disraeli (you might want to read his book (Coniston, i think it was) became the several term Prime Minister of Great Britain.

    Coincident with their assumption of full control over Her "Majesty's" Government; the Rothschilds enabled another of their many agents, Judah P.Benjamin, to become first, Secretary of War for the Confederacy and later, Secretary of the Treasury. After the Confederates lost, Benjamin escaped Union patrols and made his way to Britain where he had a long career in the employ of his masters.

    As a third point of research, may i suggest some research on how John D. Rockefeller, son of David Aronson Rockefeller and grandson of Aaron Rockefeller, achieved full operative control of the nascent oil industry. When the grandson of the "Jewish Pedlar" was ready to consolidate refining, transportation and distribution of the petroleum game, he sought and received a huge loan from the Rothschild owned bank in Cleveland. To this day, Cleveland is the site of one of the Federal Reserve district banks.

    There is a lot more out there regarding the near total power of the Rothschild crime family. Do your homework ~ if you dare.
  146. FLgeezer says:
    @alexander
    But it should !

    The solvency of the United States is a supreme national security issue.

    One that should be first and foremost in the minds of all our policy makers.

    Not one of these neocon policy advisers ever considered the enormous damage their grand and superfluous regime change "schemes" in the middle east ,would exact on our nations balance sheet.

    And if they did, they should be arrested right away.

    I consider this massive hemorrhaging of our nations wealth a sinister assault against the well being of all Americans, and the long term security of the United States.


    Don't you ?

    >Not one of these neocon policy advisers ever considered the enormous damage their grand and superfluous regime change “schemes” in the middle east ,would exact on our nations balance sheet.

    Naming names:

    http://www.fgfbooks.com/Sobran-Joe/2009-Sobran/Sobran090408.html

    And specifying victims:

    http://original.antiwar.com/vlahos/2009/11/16/iraqi-christians-seek-return-sense-extinction/

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  147. @NoseytheDuke
    Read more books on them. As to the gaps in your knowledge, they are regularly displayed on this very website.

    #148 was a reply to you that somehow got tangled in the machinery…

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  148. stickman says:
    @stickman
    "We" (actually the U$ puppet regime) have accomplished a lot in Afghanistan, though the accomplishments do NOT include the pipeline from the oilfields of Central Asia to the Indian Ocean which may have been objective #1. What has been accomplished has been the transfer of unimagined billions to the black-money coffers of the CIA which has controlled the world heroin industry as their chief cash-cow since early operations out of Laos and the Golden Triangle clear back in the 50's.

    Those of us who remain somewhat informed, conscious and cogent must remind ourselves that black funding for the CIA (the banksters' primary goonsquad) has enabled them to retain control over thousands of journalists worldwide, as was revealed just months ago by a former controlee who had worked for a major German publication . Primary facilitator in Dallas on 11-22-63 was none other than Daddy WarBush, who was actually photographed in front of the Texas Textbook Depository building on that infamous date.

    Control of the cocaine trade, especially that of crack dumped by agency agents with street criminals in the LA ghetto starting out, was revealed by a major Drug Enforcement Agency operative who somewhat mysteriously died not so long afterwards. The Agency had little "talks" with local police officials when they started getting too close to their "boys" in the hood.

    @ace is a disgrace ~ obviously not having done much independent research and hewing to the tired MSM/academicist line.

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  149. @Junior

    I suspect you are close to 100 years out of date on the wealth, power and activities of the Rothschilds.
     
    Am I to understand you correctly, Wiz, in that you believe in this day and age, that reported wealth is an accurate measure of wealth? And if so, who is it that owns the Federal Reserve?

    Wizard of Oz may be right, Jr.

    To the extent Rothschilds still have massive wealth, why would they waste it on activities to influence US – superpower – other states’ policies when the US Federal Reserve system is its bottomless piggy bank; the US Congress spends from that bottomless piggy without accountability; and both institutions were created and managed by the same people who created Rothschilds’ original wealth.

    US taxpayers are the ‘gold reserve’ for the Fed fiat money system.

    And just in case that somehow fails, US taxpayers shovel $4.5 billion to Israel every year.

    American taxpayers are subsidizing their own subversion.

    Rothschilds need function only to put labels on champagne bottles.

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    • Replies: @Junior
    "To the extent Rothschilds still have massive wealth, why would they waste it on activities to influence US – superpower – other states’ policies when the US Federal Reserve system is its bottomless piggy bank"

    GREED. That's why. Their goal is Global Governance. GLOBAL. They don't just want the FED and America, they want the World. They have sent our debt into hyper-drive because they want to crash the dollar and our economy so that they can replace it with a global currency and One-World government. They use their puppet fronts like Soros and Adelson to try to destroy all of our institutions so that Americans will accept a Global Governance when the crash of our economy happens. The FED is NOT a bottomless piggy bank and THEY know it. The debt-bubble is about to burst. That is a FACT. Although most Americans are blissfully in denial of this fact, we are about to get a rude awakening to it. Global Governance before China gets too much power to stop their global domination. GREED.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqP2pWuPfLI
  150. stickman says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    I suspect you are close to 100 years out of date on the wealth, power and activities of the Rothschilds. Do you know any of them or the people who work for the remaining Rothschild financial organisations? Where do you get your information from? Any Rothschild influence exercised in or from London would surely be infinitesimal compared with the ownership of Congressmen in the US by the likes of Adelson.

    Blizzard of Ooze probably believes in the tales emanating from Forbes Magazine as to the relative wealth status of various mere billionaires. Needles to say the trillionaires no longer allow their controlled assets to be given scrutiny. When MSM was not totally under the heels of the banksters and their CIA doberman’s, there was some information available as to the filthy levels of wealth held by the .000001%. A prime example, which appeared in several publications in the early 30′s was that the Rockefeller fortune then exceeded $1 TRILLION (with a T, not a B, or an M). This was in the heart of the Depression (brought on by those selfsame bankster crime families) and was in owned assets, not controlled assets.

    Dig around the net a bit and the most agreed upon figures for the Rockefeller clan in terms of controlled assets happens to be in the neighborhood of $150 Trillion. They are pikers in comparison with their original financial backers, the Rothschild crime family, whose controlled assets are said to be in the neighborhood of $500 TRILLION. That kinda money can buy a lot of prostiticians, presstitutes, academicists and various other paid overseers.

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    That kinda money can buy a lot of prostiticians, presstitutes, academicists and various other paid overseers.
     
    but not, apparently - Donald Trump
    , @alexander
    Wow , Stickman,

    500 trillion ?...that is a lot of spaghetti!

    Since they are so awash in cash, perhaps they would consider cutting a check to our treasury for 19 trillion, that would certainly put the smiles back on the faces of at least some of us 320 million Americans, who have been conned out of all our money.


    Dear Mr Rothschild,

    Please be kind enough to send your certified check or money order in the amount of $19,000,000,000,000.00 to :

    The Department of the Treasury
    Internal Revenue Service
    Kansas City, MO 64999-0002
    United States of America

    Thank you,

    Oh , and we will be sure to let you know when the funds have cleared,

    Thanks again,

    The American People.
    , @Sam Shama
    Not to throw cold water on this thriller, here is the value of U.S Assets, direct investments:

    https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?graph_id=302199
     
    So moving on from the public side and including all private assets as well [roughly 3x], we are talking about $70tr + $210Tr = $280 Tr

    Let's make an assumption that the size of European direct Investments at market value is similar to that of the U.S, getting us to about $560Tr or so [US + Europe]. Japan, and China together is likely about $120Tr, although I am being overly ambitious here [please note that Chinese economy being larger than U.S does not imply that their asset valuations are based on the same metrics]

    So the Rothschild family basically needs to own $500/$680 = 82.3% of all investments in major countries of the globe. Presumably, the Rockfellers own the rest.

    Either I need to really, really find religion, or, are we not getting into the realm of the unfalsifiable?

    Ok, I was a bit off in my calc, Wiki [based on BEA data I believe] produces the following:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_position_of_the_United_States

    Which also shows, incidentally, that the US has a positive net worth. So, can we now breathe again, for a bit at least?

  151. stickman says:
    @Anonymous
    These bloodthirsty ghouls are like cancer cells...if not removed, they will kill us all. Ash Carter should be arrested, tortured till he confesses to something, then hung like the war criminal POS he is. This war culture bs has gone to far. We need to stop treating mercenaries as heroes.

    Disagree somewhat. Carter is a mere condottieri, a puppet, in fact and not the highest ranking of all known puppets.

    Public hanging at high noon on the Capitol Mall on the Fourth of July should be reserved for the leading “lights” of the Bu$h Crime Family; Cheney, the Dick; David Rockefeller; the chief string-pullers in the Rothschild Crime Family and the rest of the primary owners of the “Federal” Reserve Bank.

    The likes of Ash Carter, John Kerry and even MadWoman Albright should be carted out to that selfsame Capitol Mall to witness the festivities; then dumped in tubs of excrement to be followed by a nice tarring with cold-mix along with a thorough turkey-feathering and ultimately rode out of Washington over the Potomac on the American Revolution’s traditional rails.

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  152. stickman says:
    @Quartermaster
    Russia has not only threatened its neighbors but has invaded them. I guess Giraldi has missed the news for the last 15 years.

    Whether Russia is able to revert to being the Soviet Union again is irrelevant to Putin. Putin is trying to revive the Soviet Empire, and he's not asking Giraldi if it's possible or not.

    The very acronym “Quartermaster” indicates a level of military indoctrination from which this individual obviously has yet to recover. Nosy, your assessment is spot on.

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    Thank you stickman. I think Jonathan Revusky nailed both Quartermaster and Wiz perfectly when he introduced the term HIQI to this site in a recent article.

    Like Turkeys voting for Christmas these useful idiots are either ignorant, stupid or treasonous.

    Like me, Wiz is not an American, but unlike me he does not appear to want Americans to enjoy the freedoms that should be the birthright and the promise of prosperity that Americans once fought to claim. I spent many a wonderful year in the US and have blood relatives there but I also care for the ideals that made it great.

    The aforementioned bores just want to create the impression of being wise but instead with every word they write they demolish that very notion.

    I think Wiz may be Australian, a nation of terrific people who are losing their freedoms in the same manner and pace as are Americans.

    Cheers

  153. stickman says:
    @Ace
    The Socialist Republic of Vietnam has done well and has shown a commendable absence of rancor. I suspect there is the usual inefficiency and cronyism associated with a communist government but the overall result appears to be good, though I have not studied on this. I have no doubt that a non-communist government in the south would have done much better.

    The U.S. military was undefeated in Vietnam. Congressional Democrats engineered the political defeat that we suffered.

    Ace, to me it is quite evident that you speak from your heart AND from your individual level of overall understanding of how things really work. Back in ’64 i was an avid Goldwater Republican ~ and more. However, over time my own point of view has become something other than a pattern of shared ideological beliefs.

    To the disagreement: You hold that the U$ military was undefeated in Vietnam. This is true only on the deepest levels where the City of London centered bankster cabal were the major victors in the war as their investments in the WarDefense industry were massive and indeed, monumental. Otherwise, because the draftee troops had come to realize that “we” had no intention of winning that war; their morale dropped to many degrees below zero. When the word got out that the bodies of U$ KIA’s were eviscerated and then stuffed with bags full of heroin before being flown back stateside; the fragging incidents exploded exponentially.

    Belief in any essential difference between the Damocraps and the Repooplikkkans reveals a level of political sophistication which still has a number of steps to climb. America’s greatest historical novelist and public commentator, Gore Vidal, accurately described the Democans and the Republicrats as “the two arms of the corporate party”. (slight paraphrasing). These prostiticians and their parties are mere puppets for the owners of the “Federal” Reserve Bank.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    I heard Gore Vidal speak at The Writers Guild in Beverly Hills once. It was sold out and I was very fortunate to get in. He was wonderful.

    I think he put it this way, "There is only one political party in America, it's the Money Party and it operates using two separate branches".

    , @Ace
    Thank you, Sir.

    I'm all in favor of personal reassessments. I am a certified paleo-conservative but now believe that the conservative movement is useless (along with the GOPe), that William Buckley, Jr., sold out some of the finest conservative minds of the age to advance his desire for social acceptance, that libertarians and neocons are a threat to our survival, that Israel adds nothing to our national security, and that Putin did a magnificent thing to insert a stick in the spokes of the mendacious U.S. effort to bring down Assad and to expose the pretend "bombing" of ISIS lo these many months. For someone who loathed the Soviet Union, that's a strange new position. But only on the surface. Contrary to the Treason Class's strenuous efforts to paint Putin as the new Stalin, he isn't so there's not much of a volte face involved on my part.

    The U.S. military achieved a military victory in Vietnam. Your point about the bankster cabal does not negate this fact. All that can be said about it, assuming you're correct that it existed, is that it profited financially even though we experienced a political defeat at the hands of congressional Democrats. I'm more than willing to explore the role of banksters a la Anthony Sutton. I just don't happen to be well informed on that particular cabal. The outlines of the one that is so hysterical about Donald Trump is clearer and Trump's success is so delicious because it has forced so many of the constituent swine out into the open. Exhibit A: National Review.

    I have great skepticism about the "heroin in the bodies" story. In my 72 years I think this is the second time I've heard of that. Having spent one tour in Nam, I have very little faith that this allegation is remotely true. Like 9-11, such a grisly operation would require a level and degree of coordination that is just not credible. Bodies of our KIAs are precious cargo and however loose things can be in a combat zone, when bodies of our guys land in the States the chances of irregularities being detected are high. I'll file that one under "Give me a break."

    One-year tours took care of the anxieties of most draftees. They didn't care about overall strategy or result but rare was the man who didn't maintain his own DEROS countdown calendar. That said, it didn't take a rocket scientist to see that pacification efforts often involved moving through areas that were then reoccupied by Charlie. The rules of engagement were clearer to me after I left (and they absurd) but still I did not think at the time that we were taking it to the enemy in a serious way. Compare and contrast with the Cambodian incursion and you can see what a determination to put Charlie in a world of hurt did. In the Delta, it was all over for the Cong. But that was rare, though God bless President Nixon for his willingness to fight a war as it should be fought.

    Fragging had everything to do with black troops' resentment and that of white draftees who were not, shall we say, imbued with a love of their country. Arnett's "Vietnam: The Ten Thousand Day War" documentary has the story on the morale problems and racial resentment on the part of blacks. Not for nothing did the military go to the all-volunteer military after the war.

    I'm not a great fan of Vidal but probably will find myself in agreement on the Uniparty idea. These are such absurd times that all dissenting voices must be reconsidered. I used to think (big) corporate America was a part of the patriotic backbone of the country but that is a belief I have long since rejected. And if one does not recoil at the concept and record of the Federal Reserve today, one is just not paying attention. It took me a while to wake up to that but I did.
  154. stickman says:
    @Ralph Raico
    Beefcake is spot on about the dumb-as-dirt Evangelical Israel-Firsters. Maybe they should talk to the hapless Christian priests who are spit on by yeshiva youth for wearing a crucifix. However, the comment by my fellow Giraldi fan is inadvertently misleading when he writes of Jesus that "Jews reject his divinity and regard him as a false prophet, and they reject his role as a Messiah." It's a bit more than that. The Talmud calls Jesus a bastard and a sorcerer who is boiling in excrement in hell, and says that Mary was a whore to Roman soldiers. Judeo-Christian values indeed.

    Ralph: THEY like to call it “Judeo-Christian Civilization”. Firstly, i call that BULL. On reflection, some years back i slightly altered the term to Judie-Christy Magic Mindfkkk. Not sure whether Unz allows for use of the real spelling, so i altered it slightly, though i’m sure you get the drift.

    Why is it a Mindfkkk? Because, this Constantinian re-casting of original Christianity by way of the Bible he commissioned, where much was deleted from original texts and a good deal added in the interests of people control by the Roman State; was the creation of a new state religion based upon elimination of the truly spiritual aspects of what we know of original Christianity from the texts discovered in the Qumram caves and at Nag Hammadi.

    As for the Judaic side of this contemptuous concatenation of cross-consciousness; much of the Old Testicles was redacted in Ptolemaic Egypt by Jewish “scholars” into the Septuagint, where again, much was eliminated from original texts and a tremendous amount of bull was added to the Judaic golden calf mythos. One example: The tales of the Exodus are totally false as the original Israelites originated in the vicinities of Yemen and Saudi, rather than as slaves in Egypt. And THAT is the foundation of the Torah. The Talmudic strain, originating in Babylon the Great, was correctly described by the Christed one as “the Synagog of Satan”.

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  155. Rurik says:
    @stickman
    Blizzard of Ooze probably believes in the tales emanating from Forbes Magazine as to the relative wealth status of various mere billionaires. Needles to say the trillionaires no longer allow their controlled assets to be given scrutiny. When MSM was not totally under the heels of the banksters and their CIA doberman's, there was some information available as to the filthy levels of wealth held by the .000001%. A prime example, which appeared in several publications in the early 30's was that the Rockefeller fortune then exceeded $1 TRILLION (with a T, not a B, or an M). This was in the heart of the Depression (brought on by those selfsame bankster crime families) and was in owned assets, not controlled assets.

    Dig around the net a bit and the most agreed upon figures for the Rockefeller clan in terms of controlled assets happens to be in the neighborhood of $150 Trillion. They are pikers in comparison with their original financial backers, the Rothschild crime family, whose controlled assets are said to be in the neighborhood of $500 TRILLION. That kinda money can buy a lot of prostiticians, presstitutes, academicists and various other paid overseers.

    That kinda money can buy a lot of prostiticians, presstitutes, academicists and various other paid overseers.

    but not, apparently – Donald Trump

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    • Replies: @stickman
    Re Trump: Ah, a few billion allows one a bit of independence these days.
  156. alexander says:
    @stickman
    Blizzard of Ooze probably believes in the tales emanating from Forbes Magazine as to the relative wealth status of various mere billionaires. Needles to say the trillionaires no longer allow their controlled assets to be given scrutiny. When MSM was not totally under the heels of the banksters and their CIA doberman's, there was some information available as to the filthy levels of wealth held by the .000001%. A prime example, which appeared in several publications in the early 30's was that the Rockefeller fortune then exceeded $1 TRILLION (with a T, not a B, or an M). This was in the heart of the Depression (brought on by those selfsame bankster crime families) and was in owned assets, not controlled assets.

    Dig around the net a bit and the most agreed upon figures for the Rockefeller clan in terms of controlled assets happens to be in the neighborhood of $150 Trillion. They are pikers in comparison with their original financial backers, the Rothschild crime family, whose controlled assets are said to be in the neighborhood of $500 TRILLION. That kinda money can buy a lot of prostiticians, presstitutes, academicists and various other paid overseers.

    Wow , Stickman,

    500 trillion ?…that is a lot of spaghetti!

    Since they are so awash in cash, perhaps they would consider cutting a check to our treasury for 19 trillion, that would certainly put the smiles back on the faces of at least some of us 320 million Americans, who have been conned out of all our money.

    Dear Mr Rothschild,

    Please be kind enough to send your certified check or money order in the amount of $19,000,000,000,000.00 to :

    The Department of the Treasury
    Internal Revenue Service
    Kansas City, MO 64999-0002
    United States of America

    Thank you,

    Oh , and we will be sure to let you know when the funds have cleared,

    Thanks again,

    The American People.

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    • Replies: @KA
    It is still a fiat money anyway .What is stopping Fed Reserve to cut a check for the US Treasury and loan it at 2% ? Fed has been cutting since 2008 and has cut almost 1 T out of thin air.
    One wonders why more stable and government -run Central Bank -"Federal Reserevs" -of Panama or Brazil or Russia or India cant do it without sinking the values of the currencies . Military power might explain this difference .
    The whole world ends up paying taxes to US because the inflationary outcome is spread around the globe
  157. stickman says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Are you content to display yourself as assertive but without any evident basis for your assertions and both proactively and reflexively aggressive to cover for your chronic and justified insecurity? If you can't feel comfortable in relaxed conversation with people whose egos are strong and don't need to prove themselves with petty aggressions you should consider proving yourself, or at least giving yourself a chance with sound logic and reliable facts.

    Wizz: Your entire take appears to be that of an academicist. Strong ego, i believe. It would also appear that you have been a bit less than truly diligent in researching the Rothschilds, both in terms of books read, but also in delving through various internet sites which treat with the issue of the most powerful clan on the planet.

    Recently i finally got around to reading Stephen Birmingham’s “Our Crowd” where i learned that back in 1837 the Rothschilds were still quite open about dispatching agents to run the show in the U$; where in congruence with their creating the bank Panic of 1837, they sent August Belmont (Schoenstein) to coordinate financial arrangements in America.

    Several years later, their agent, Benjamin Disraeli (you might want to read his book (Coniston, i think it was) became the several term Prime Minister of Great Britain.

    Coincident with their assumption of full control over Her “Majesty’s” Government; the Rothschilds enabled another of their many agents, Judah P.Benjamin, to become first, Secretary of War for the Confederacy and later, Secretary of the Treasury. After the Confederates lost, Benjamin escaped Union patrols and made his way to Britain where he had a long career in the employ of his masters.

    As a third point of research, may i suggest some research on how John D. Rockefeller, son of David Aronson Rockefeller and grandson of Aaron Rockefeller, achieved full operative control of the nascent oil industry. When the grandson of the “Jewish Pedlar” was ready to consolidate refining, transportation and distribution of the petroleum game, he sought and received a huge loan from the Rothschild owned bank in Cleveland. To this day, Cleveland is the site of one of the Federal Reserve district banks.

    There is a lot more out there regarding the near total power of the Rothschild crime family. Do your homework ~ if you dare.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Well, as I said, you seem to be at least 100 years out of date. Indeed Disraeli who was Church of England but proud of his "race" did get Rothschild help in acquiring control of the Suez canal for the UK but that was in 1870 from memory. So, instead of more assertion more up to date evidence please. You presumably have noted that some Rothschilds became academics.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Are you seriously suggesting that John D. Rockefeller 1 or any of his descendants were or are Jewish? If so in what sense recognised by Jews or indeed genealogists? It's loony tunes stuff.

    I Googled "were the Rockefellers Jewish?" and it led me to an interesting discussion on www.conspiracyarchive.com which seems reliable. The Rockefellers were Germans from Germany who Americanised their name Rokkenfelder which of course meant they were from Rokkenfeld. Nothing Sephardic, Marrano or any other kind of Jewish and no identification with any Jewish community.
  158. stickman says:
    @Rurik

    That kinda money can buy a lot of prostiticians, presstitutes, academicists and various other paid overseers.
     
    but not, apparently - Donald Trump

    Re Trump: Ah, a few billion allows one a bit of independence these days.

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  159. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Carroll Price
    Among friends, I have often made the observation that if Christians actually practiced Christianity, they would differ little from devout Muslims, because both are basically religions of peace, not war.

    Islam is NOT a “religion of peace”. And it was spread just about everywhere by conquest.

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    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    Few organized religions are completely clean in this regard. Islam's historical record is not good but that has little bearing on the issues of today, which are driven by Zio-American aggression.
    , @Carroll Price
    So was Christianity - by Christians in name only.
  160. Sam Shama says:
    @stickman
    Blizzard of Ooze probably believes in the tales emanating from Forbes Magazine as to the relative wealth status of various mere billionaires. Needles to say the trillionaires no longer allow their controlled assets to be given scrutiny. When MSM was not totally under the heels of the banksters and their CIA doberman's, there was some information available as to the filthy levels of wealth held by the .000001%. A prime example, which appeared in several publications in the early 30's was that the Rockefeller fortune then exceeded $1 TRILLION (with a T, not a B, or an M). This was in the heart of the Depression (brought on by those selfsame bankster crime families) and was in owned assets, not controlled assets.

    Dig around the net a bit and the most agreed upon figures for the Rockefeller clan in terms of controlled assets happens to be in the neighborhood of $150 Trillion. They are pikers in comparison with their original financial backers, the Rothschild crime family, whose controlled assets are said to be in the neighborhood of $500 TRILLION. That kinda money can buy a lot of prostiticians, presstitutes, academicists and various other paid overseers.

    Not to throw cold water on this thriller, here is the value of U.S Assets, direct investments:

    https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?graph_id=302199

    So moving on from the public side and including all private assets as well [roughly 3x], we are talking about $70tr + $210Tr = $280 Tr

    Let’s make an assumption that the size of European direct Investments at market value is similar to that of the U.S, getting us to about $560Tr or so [US + Europe]. Japan, and China together is likely about $120Tr, although I am being overly ambitious here [please note that Chinese economy being larger than U.S does not imply that their asset valuations are based on the same metrics]

    So the Rothschild family basically needs to own $500/$680 = 82.3% of all investments in major countries of the globe. Presumably, the Rockfellers own the rest.

    Either I need to really, really find religion, or, are we not getting into the realm of the unfalsifiable?

    Ok, I was a bit off in my calc, Wiki [based on BEA data I believe] produces the following:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_position_of_the_United_States

    Which also shows, incidentally, that the US has a positive net worth. So, can we now breathe again, for a bit at least?

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    • Replies: @KA
    The nonfictional asset is 72 T .But that is measured by the "dollars" which are overpriced compared to most other currency . It is also measured by the belief that an asset in US city is more valuable than a similar asset say in Greece or Taiwan or Libya . These estimation are dependent on the assumptions that the Dollar denominated world will continue for ever Real estate valuation is an artifact when compared between countries .
  161. @stickman
    Wizz: Your entire take appears to be that of an academicist. Strong ego, i believe. It would also appear that you have been a bit less than truly diligent in researching the Rothschilds, both in terms of books read, but also in delving through various internet sites which treat with the issue of the most powerful clan on the planet.

    Recently i finally got around to reading Stephen Birmingham's "Our Crowd" where i learned that back in 1837 the Rothschilds were still quite open about dispatching agents to run the show in the U$; where in congruence with their creating the bank Panic of 1837, they sent August Belmont (Schoenstein) to coordinate financial arrangements in America.

    Several years later, their agent, Benjamin Disraeli (you might want to read his book (Coniston, i think it was) became the several term Prime Minister of Great Britain.

    Coincident with their assumption of full control over Her "Majesty's" Government; the Rothschilds enabled another of their many agents, Judah P.Benjamin, to become first, Secretary of War for the Confederacy and later, Secretary of the Treasury. After the Confederates lost, Benjamin escaped Union patrols and made his way to Britain where he had a long career in the employ of his masters.

    As a third point of research, may i suggest some research on how John D. Rockefeller, son of David Aronson Rockefeller and grandson of Aaron Rockefeller, achieved full operative control of the nascent oil industry. When the grandson of the "Jewish Pedlar" was ready to consolidate refining, transportation and distribution of the petroleum game, he sought and received a huge loan from the Rothschild owned bank in Cleveland. To this day, Cleveland is the site of one of the Federal Reserve district banks.

    There is a lot more out there regarding the near total power of the Rothschild crime family. Do your homework ~ if you dare.

    Well, as I said, you seem to be at least 100 years out of date. Indeed Disraeli who was Church of England but proud of his “race” did get Rothschild help in acquiring control of the Suez canal for the UK but that was in 1870 from memory. So, instead of more assertion more up to date evidence please. You presumably have noted that some Rothschilds became academics.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Put down your comic books Wiz and try reading this or, better still, have somebody read it to you, very slowly.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-collapse-of-the-western-fiat-monetary-system-may-have-begun-china-russia-and-the-reemergence-of-gold-backed-currencies/5521107
  162. @stickman
    Wizz: Your entire take appears to be that of an academicist. Strong ego, i believe. It would also appear that you have been a bit less than truly diligent in researching the Rothschilds, both in terms of books read, but also in delving through various internet sites which treat with the issue of the most powerful clan on the planet.

    Recently i finally got around to reading Stephen Birmingham's "Our Crowd" where i learned that back in 1837 the Rothschilds were still quite open about dispatching agents to run the show in the U$; where in congruence with their creating the bank Panic of 1837, they sent August Belmont (Schoenstein) to coordinate financial arrangements in America.

    Several years later, their agent, Benjamin Disraeli (you might want to read his book (Coniston, i think it was) became the several term Prime Minister of Great Britain.

    Coincident with their assumption of full control over Her "Majesty's" Government; the Rothschilds enabled another of their many agents, Judah P.Benjamin, to become first, Secretary of War for the Confederacy and later, Secretary of the Treasury. After the Confederates lost, Benjamin escaped Union patrols and made his way to Britain where he had a long career in the employ of his masters.

    As a third point of research, may i suggest some research on how John D. Rockefeller, son of David Aronson Rockefeller and grandson of Aaron Rockefeller, achieved full operative control of the nascent oil industry. When the grandson of the "Jewish Pedlar" was ready to consolidate refining, transportation and distribution of the petroleum game, he sought and received a huge loan from the Rothschild owned bank in Cleveland. To this day, Cleveland is the site of one of the Federal Reserve district banks.

    There is a lot more out there regarding the near total power of the Rothschild crime family. Do your homework ~ if you dare.

    Are you seriously suggesting that John D. Rockefeller 1 or any of his descendants were or are Jewish? If so in what sense recognised by Jews or indeed genealogists? It’s loony tunes stuff.

    I Googled “were the Rockefellers Jewish?” and it led me to an interesting discussion on http://www.conspiracyarchive.com which seems reliable. The Rockefellers were Germans from Germany who Americanised their name Rokkenfelder which of course meant they were from Rokkenfeld. Nothing Sephardic, Marrano or any other kind of Jewish and no identification with any Jewish community.

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  163. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Depends who's reporting and where. As to "ownership" of the Fed I know its structure is very odd in comparison to all the countries which have a single, simple, central, government appointed body but please enlighten me as to who "owns" the Fed and what the legal attributes and financial consequences are as it doesn't sound like ownership of a typical business or capital asset to me.

    “please enlighten me as to who “owns” the Fed and what the legal attributes and financial consequences are as it doesn’t sound like ownership of a typical business or capital asset to me.”

    That is the whole point, who the hell knows who owns the FED. There is absolutely ZERO accountability, legally or financially. Who are the private banks that pay their shareholders, who are the shareholders, how much are they making, are they only taking 6% profit as they’re supposed to, what do their books say? NOBODY knows. But we do know that the Rothschilds were the one’s that set-up the system through their puppets in America that they financed 100 years ago. They were the ones responsible for it in the beginning and as far as I can tell nothing has changed with the FED in the last 100 years. The Rothschilds STILL control it and therefore they control America through setting our economic policy. They have so much money that it means absolutely nothing to them at this point. It is ALL about power and control.

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    Hi Jr,

    I cannot tell you how the inner mechanics of the federal banking system works, but I can give you the fundamentals on how our debt works.

    Every year that our government runs a deficit, it has to come up with the money to pay for the "overspending".

    Where does it get that money ?

    It borrows it from the future.

    Our future.

    The federal government, unlike the States, is allowed to spend more than it takes in, so when it overspends ,it "borrows" that money from future generations to pay for the things it wants to do today.

    Our federal banking system (the Fed) facilitates this.

    Now , how pernicious is initiating a six trillion dollar war of choice/ aggression, based on fraud ?

    It is profoundly pernicious, because it not only breaks the law today, but if forces future generations of Americans to come up with the dough we spent(or overspent) prosecuting it.

    And they never had any say or choice in the matter, whatsoever.

    How evil is that, Jr ?

    When our constitution, (which the Neocons have "proven" to despise with every fiber of their being ), refers to "ourselves and our Posterity"...it is saying ..take care that the decisions you make today will effect future generations...be wise...and have vision.

    The Neocons have demonstrated a complete and utter contempt for our posterity.

    They should be languishing in federal prison for all the things their fraud foisted upon us, has stolen from "ourselves and our posterity".

    What a travesty. What a....... nightmare.
  164. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @alexander
    But it should !

    The solvency of the United States is a supreme national security issue.

    One that should be first and foremost in the minds of all our policy makers.

    Not one of these neocon policy advisers ever considered the enormous damage their grand and superfluous regime change "schemes" in the middle east ,would exact on our nations balance sheet.

    And if they did, they should be arrested right away.

    I consider this massive hemorrhaging of our nations wealth a sinister assault against the well being of all Americans, and the long term security of the United States.


    Don't you ?

    “Don’t you ?”

    Yes, I do, Alexander. Yes, I do. Amen, Brother!

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  165. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Wizard of Oz may be right, Jr.

    To the extent Rothschilds still have massive wealth, why would they waste it on activities to influence US - superpower - other states' policies when the US Federal Reserve system is its bottomless piggy bank; the US Congress spends from that bottomless piggy without accountability; and both institutions were created and managed by the same people who created Rothschilds' original wealth.

    US taxpayers are the 'gold reserve' for the Fed fiat money system.

    And just in case that somehow fails, US taxpayers shovel $4.5 billion to Israel every year.

    American taxpayers are subsidizing their own subversion.

    Rothschilds need function only to put labels on champagne bottles.

    “To the extent Rothschilds still have massive wealth, why would they waste it on activities to influence US – superpower – other states’ policies when the US Federal Reserve system is its bottomless piggy bank”

    GREED. That’s why. Their goal is Global Governance. GLOBAL. They don’t just want the FED and America, they want the World. They have sent our debt into hyper-drive because they want to crash the dollar and our economy so that they can replace it with a global currency and One-World government. They use their puppet fronts like Soros and Adelson to try to destroy all of our institutions so that Americans will accept a Global Governance when the crash of our economy happens. The FED is NOT a bottomless piggy bank and THEY know it. The debt-bubble is about to burst. That is a FACT. Although most Americans are blissfully in denial of this fact, we are about to get a rude awakening to it. Global Governance before China gets too much power to stop their global domination. GREED.

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  166. alexander says:
    @Junior
    "please enlighten me as to who “owns” the Fed and what the legal attributes and financial consequences are as it doesn’t sound like ownership of a typical business or capital asset to me."

    That is the whole point, who the hell knows who owns the FED. There is absolutely ZERO accountability, legally or financially. Who are the private banks that pay their shareholders, who are the shareholders, how much are they making, are they only taking 6% profit as they're supposed to, what do their books say? NOBODY knows. But we do know that the Rothschilds were the one's that set-up the system through their puppets in America that they financed 100 years ago. They were the ones responsible for it in the beginning and as far as I can tell nothing has changed with the FED in the last 100 years. The Rothschilds STILL control it and therefore they control America through setting our economic policy. They have so much money that it means absolutely nothing to them at this point. It is ALL about power and control.

    Hi Jr,

    I cannot tell you how the inner mechanics of the federal banking system works, but I can give you the fundamentals on how our debt works.

    Every year that our government runs a deficit, it has to come up with the money to pay for the “overspending”.

    Where does it get that money ?

    It borrows it from the future.

    Our future.

    The federal government, unlike the States, is allowed to spend more than it takes in, so when it overspends ,it “borrows” that money from future generations to pay for the things it wants to do today.

    Our federal banking system (the Fed) facilitates this.

    Now , how pernicious is initiating a six trillion dollar war of choice/ aggression, based on fraud ?

    It is profoundly pernicious, because it not only breaks the law today, but if forces future generations of Americans to come up with the dough we spent(or overspent) prosecuting it.

    And they never had any say or choice in the matter, whatsoever.

    How evil is that, Jr ?

    When our constitution, (which the Neocons have “proven” to despise with every fiber of their being ), refers to “ourselves and our Posterity”…it is saying ..take care that the decisions you make today will effect future generations…be wise…and have vision.

    The Neocons have demonstrated a complete and utter contempt for our posterity.

    They should be languishing in federal prison for all the things their fraud foisted upon us, has stolen from “ourselves and our posterity”.

    What a travesty. What a……. nightmare.

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    • Agree: Junior
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    The US government has been wasting vast amounts of money, especially on war but it isn't hitting future generations of Americans as much as you suggest. While interest rates are effectively negative it is overspending at the expense of everyone who lends money and that includes Japanese, oil state Arabs and Chinese at least as much as elderly Americans who have the misfortune to depend on interest bearing investments.
  167. @anon
    Islam is NOT a "religion of peace". And it was spread just about everywhere by conquest.

    Few organized religions are completely clean in this regard. Islam’s historical record is not good but that has little bearing on the issues of today, which are driven by Zio-American aggression.

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  168. […] „The War Against the World“ vom 19.April […]

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  169. @anon
    Islam is NOT a "religion of peace". And it was spread just about everywhere by conquest.

    So was Christianity – by Christians in name only.

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  170. @stickman
    The very acronym "Quartermaster" indicates a level of military indoctrination from which this individual obviously has yet to recover. Nosy, your assessment is spot on.

    Thank you stickman. I think Jonathan Revusky nailed both Quartermaster and Wiz perfectly when he introduced the term HIQI to this site in a recent article.

    Like Turkeys voting for Christmas these useful idiots are either ignorant, stupid or treasonous.

    Like me, Wiz is not an American, but unlike me he does not appear to want Americans to enjoy the freedoms that should be the birthright and the promise of prosperity that Americans once fought to claim. I spent many a wonderful year in the US and have blood relatives there but I also care for the ideals that made it great.

    The aforementioned bores just want to create the impression of being wise but instead with every word they write they demolish that very notion.

    I think Wiz may be Australian, a nation of terrific people who are losing their freedoms in the same manner and pace as are Americans.

    Cheers

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  171. @Wizard of Oz
    Well, as I said, you seem to be at least 100 years out of date. Indeed Disraeli who was Church of England but proud of his "race" did get Rothschild help in acquiring control of the Suez canal for the UK but that was in 1870 from memory. So, instead of more assertion more up to date evidence please. You presumably have noted that some Rothschilds became academics.

    Put down your comic books Wiz and try reading this or, better still, have somebody read it to you, very slowly.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-collapse-of-the-western-fiat-monetary-system-may-have-begun-china-russia-and-the-reemergence-of-gold-backed-currencies/5521107

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Dear NtD,

    Wow! I mean, wow! That is great news - I had no clue! Hoping and praying some of the other significant players follow suit; India, Iran, Indonesia/Malaysia, Brazil, etc. Asset-based currency (gold, silver, etc.) will play a major role in bringing this perpetual war madness to a grind.

    May God preserve you and yours!
    , @KA
    http://www.examiner.com/article/foreclosure-precedence-case-1969-could-affect-homeowners-today

    In 1969 Bank was successfully sued by a homeowner preventing the foreclosure arguing that the bank created money out of nothing
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Please stop wasting my time with irrelevant brain farts if you don't know how to argue a case or present evidence.

    1. Your link seems to have nothing to do with what you are replying to. Particularly Rothschild wealth and influence today.

    2. As I wrote a thesis on the problems of the so called gold standard when I was 26 many years ago I am decidedly unimpressed by the supposed authority of the author of the linked piece, one Peter Koenig, whom I see writes promiscuously for crank and Russian propaganda sites.

    3. The idea that currencies can be fully backed by gold in any meaningful sense is absurd. Do you seriously think the banking system could ever be made to provide gold at an exchange rate fixed for an appreciable time (say 15 years as a minimum) for those proffering their bank notes, bills of exchange, promissory notes etc.?

    4. How can the gold standard give any rational person confidence in either preservation of value or preservation of the standard when the production of gold and its market value have both fluctuated more than the $US and the US has shown what the gold standard means by abandoning it when under pressure? And not just the US...
  172. @alexander
    Hi Jr,

    I cannot tell you how the inner mechanics of the federal banking system works, but I can give you the fundamentals on how our debt works.

    Every year that our government runs a deficit, it has to come up with the money to pay for the "overspending".

    Where does it get that money ?

    It borrows it from the future.

    Our future.

    The federal government, unlike the States, is allowed to spend more than it takes in, so when it overspends ,it "borrows" that money from future generations to pay for the things it wants to do today.

    Our federal banking system (the Fed) facilitates this.

    Now , how pernicious is initiating a six trillion dollar war of choice/ aggression, based on fraud ?

    It is profoundly pernicious, because it not only breaks the law today, but if forces future generations of Americans to come up with the dough we spent(or overspent) prosecuting it.

    And they never had any say or choice in the matter, whatsoever.

    How evil is that, Jr ?

    When our constitution, (which the Neocons have "proven" to despise with every fiber of their being ), refers to "ourselves and our Posterity"...it is saying ..take care that the decisions you make today will effect future generations...be wise...and have vision.

    The Neocons have demonstrated a complete and utter contempt for our posterity.

    They should be languishing in federal prison for all the things their fraud foisted upon us, has stolen from "ourselves and our posterity".

    What a travesty. What a....... nightmare.

    The US government has been wasting vast amounts of money, especially on war but it isn’t hitting future generations of Americans as much as you suggest. While interest rates are effectively negative it is overspending at the expense of everyone who lends money and that includes Japanese, oil state Arabs and Chinese at least as much as elderly Americans who have the misfortune to depend on interest bearing investments.

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    The 6th Fleet could sail through that knowledge gap of yours. When you "think" is there an echo?
    , @alexander
    Sorry Mr Wizard,

    I would love to agree with you, but I can't.

    It is hitting future generations "exactly" as I suggested, and it is a criminal disaster.

    the debt is not the interest rates, interest rates are what is charged to service the debt.

    the debt is the debt is the debt.

    There is not much our government can do, except begin to operate at a surplus (bring in more money than it spends), or sell government owned assets (at a profit), to reduce it.

    There is the idea that we can "grow" the economy, enough so that our national debt becomes modest relative to our yearly GDP, or I suppose we can allow inflation to work , over time, so that the debt shrinks as the buying power of the dollar shrinks too.

    But even if we do all that, it is still a disaster,.... a total disaster,.... certainly compared to where we could be, had we capable stewards at the helm of our ship of state.

    Let me point something else out, Mr. Wizard,

    When foreign countries, like China, purchase large amounts of US treasury notes, they are not paying down our debt.

    Not one penny.

    If China purchases one trillion in treasury bonds, this amount is not "subtracted" from our national debt....Mr Wizard.....Our national debt stays "exactly" the same.

    If anything China is doing ,in these purchases, it is underwriting our ability to "pay off "our debt one day, so when the bonds mature, they will still get their money.

    Foreign countries purchase our bonds because they believe in the "credit worthiness" of the United States, that we are "good for the value " of the notes we issue.

    That we won't go belly up.

    But let me tell you, our national debt has reached a catastrophic threshold.and nearly all of it has been generated by these stupid, stupid neocon wars.

    Many countries around the world are watching us, and if our debt climbs much higher than it already has, above our yearly GDP, they might dump our notes because they think we are becoming insolvent, ....that we will never be able to make good on the debt we owe.

    Who can blame them ?

    This all could have been avoided, had we shown a modicum of foresight and intelligence , especially in our obscene overspending on these bogus , reckless, and never ending conflicts in the middle east.

    What a disaster.

    What are we doing over there ?

    We have just made a huge mess of everything, and gone broke in the process.

    Our foreign policy decisions must have been designed by people who have a profound hatred for the United States, especially our solvency and our freedom, .....otherwise, why would they do this?
  173. @Wizard of Oz
    The US government has been wasting vast amounts of money, especially on war but it isn't hitting future generations of Americans as much as you suggest. While interest rates are effectively negative it is overspending at the expense of everyone who lends money and that includes Japanese, oil state Arabs and Chinese at least as much as elderly Americans who have the misfortune to depend on interest bearing investments.

    The 6th Fleet could sail through that knowledge gap of yours. When you “think” is there an echo?

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    Try proof and evidence rather than vacuous emissions expressing nothing but attitude and that the attitude of the big kid sggressive kid with learning difficulties. You should realise that you have provided absolutely NOTHING of any substance by way of evidence, fact or argument to support any of your heavily assertive replies to me.
  174. KA says:
    @alexander
    Wow , Stickman,

    500 trillion ?...that is a lot of spaghetti!

    Since they are so awash in cash, perhaps they would consider cutting a check to our treasury for 19 trillion, that would certainly put the smiles back on the faces of at least some of us 320 million Americans, who have been conned out of all our money.


    Dear Mr Rothschild,

    Please be kind enough to send your certified check or money order in the amount of $19,000,000,000,000.00 to :

    The Department of the Treasury
    Internal Revenue Service
    Kansas City, MO 64999-0002
    United States of America

    Thank you,

    Oh , and we will be sure to let you know when the funds have cleared,

    Thanks again,

    The American People.

    It is still a fiat money anyway .What is stopping Fed Reserve to cut a check for the US Treasury and loan it at 2% ? Fed has been cutting since 2008 and has cut almost 1 T out of thin air.
    One wonders why more stable and government -run Central Bank -”Federal Reserevs” -of Panama or Brazil or Russia or India cant do it without sinking the values of the currencies . Military power might explain this difference .
    The whole world ends up paying taxes to US because the inflationary outcome is spread around the globe

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  175. Talha says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Put down your comic books Wiz and try reading this or, better still, have somebody read it to you, very slowly.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-collapse-of-the-western-fiat-monetary-system-may-have-begun-china-russia-and-the-reemergence-of-gold-backed-currencies/5521107

    Dear NtD,

    Wow! I mean, wow! That is great news – I had no clue! Hoping and praying some of the other significant players follow suit; India, Iran, Indonesia/Malaysia, Brazil, etc. Asset-based currency (gold, silver, etc.) will play a major role in bringing this perpetual war madness to a grind.

    May God preserve you and yours!

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    Hello Talha,

    As it happens I'm writing this from India while I'm here on business. People are talking about this giant financial power shift and I've lost count of the number of people who've used the phrase "the wrong side of history" to describe US economic and foreign policy.

    Also, unlike in the US, people here have taken the time to look into the 9/11 mythology and I haven't met a single person yet who believes that giant official fairytale. Not one person has used that old chestnut "conspiracy theorist".

    On a side note the relations between muslims and non muslims here are probably more harmonious than most people could imagine (I'm in Mumbai). Who would have thought it?

    Brazil is currently under attack and in deep soap and bubble, it is directly in the neighbourhood though and likely has Wall St panicked about the potential to trigger a chain reaction

    Peace and blessings to you and yours.

  176. KA says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Put down your comic books Wiz and try reading this or, better still, have somebody read it to you, very slowly.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-collapse-of-the-western-fiat-monetary-system-may-have-begun-china-russia-and-the-reemergence-of-gold-backed-currencies/5521107

    http://www.examiner.com/article/foreclosure-precedence-case-1969-could-affect-homeowners-today

    In 1969 Bank was successfully sued by a homeowner preventing the foreclosure arguing that the bank created money out of nothing

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    Very interesting, thanks. As throughout history the greed leads to overreach followed by retribution. What is it they say about those who don't learn from history? Cheers
  177. KA [AKA "Carthage"] says:
    @Sam Shama
    Not to throw cold water on this thriller, here is the value of U.S Assets, direct investments:

    https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?graph_id=302199
     
    So moving on from the public side and including all private assets as well [roughly 3x], we are talking about $70tr + $210Tr = $280 Tr

    Let's make an assumption that the size of European direct Investments at market value is similar to that of the U.S, getting us to about $560Tr or so [US + Europe]. Japan, and China together is likely about $120Tr, although I am being overly ambitious here [please note that Chinese economy being larger than U.S does not imply that their asset valuations are based on the same metrics]

    So the Rothschild family basically needs to own $500/$680 = 82.3% of all investments in major countries of the globe. Presumably, the Rockfellers own the rest.

    Either I need to really, really find religion, or, are we not getting into the realm of the unfalsifiable?

    Ok, I was a bit off in my calc, Wiki [based on BEA data I believe] produces the following:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_position_of_the_United_States

    Which also shows, incidentally, that the US has a positive net worth. So, can we now breathe again, for a bit at least?

    The nonfictional asset is 72 T .But that is measured by the “dollars” which are overpriced compared to most other currency . It is also measured by the belief that an asset in US city is more valuable than a similar asset say in Greece or Taiwan or Libya . These estimation are dependent on the assumptions that the Dollar denominated world will continue for ever Real estate valuation is an artifact when compared between countries .

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    Considerations of purchasing power parity are certainly important but not really an answer to the point of Sam Shama's reply.
  178. @NoseytheDuke
    Put down your comic books Wiz and try reading this or, better still, have somebody read it to you, very slowly.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-collapse-of-the-western-fiat-monetary-system-may-have-begun-china-russia-and-the-reemergence-of-gold-backed-currencies/5521107

    Please stop wasting my time with irrelevant brain farts if you don’t know how to argue a case or present evidence.

    1. Your link seems to have nothing to do with what you are replying to. Particularly Rothschild wealth and influence today.

    2. As I wrote a thesis on the problems of the so called gold standard when I was 26 many years ago I am decidedly unimpressed by the supposed authority of the author of the linked piece, one Peter Koenig, whom I see writes promiscuously for crank and Russian propaganda sites.

    3. The idea that currencies can be fully backed by gold in any meaningful sense is absurd. Do you seriously think the banking system could ever be made to provide gold at an exchange rate fixed for an appreciable time (say 15 years as a minimum) for those proffering their bank notes, bills of exchange, promissory notes etc.?

    4. How can the gold standard give any rational person confidence in either preservation of value or preservation of the standard when the production of gold and its market value have both fluctuated more than the $US and the US has shown what the gold standard means by abandoning it when under pressure? And not just the US…

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Sorry Wiz, my fault. I suggested you have somebody read it to you when I should have suggested that you have somebody explain it to you. Dear me, wizardry certainly isn't what it used to be.
  179. @Talha
    Dear NtD,

    Wow! I mean, wow! That is great news - I had no clue! Hoping and praying some of the other significant players follow suit; India, Iran, Indonesia/Malaysia, Brazil, etc. Asset-based currency (gold, silver, etc.) will play a major role in bringing this perpetual war madness to a grind.

    May God preserve you and yours!

    Hello Talha,

    As it happens I’m writing this from India while I’m here on business. People are talking about this giant financial power shift and I’ve lost count of the number of people who’ve used the phrase “the wrong side of history” to describe US economic and foreign policy.

    Also, unlike in the US, people here have taken the time to look into the 9/11 mythology and I haven’t met a single person yet who believes that giant official fairytale. Not one person has used that old chestnut “conspiracy theorist”.

    On a side note the relations between muslims and non muslims here are probably more harmonious than most people could imagine (I’m in Mumbai). Who would have thought it?

    Brazil is currently under attack and in deep soap and bubble, it is directly in the neighbourhood though and likely has Wall St panicked about the potential to trigger a chain reaction

    Peace and blessings to you and yours.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Be careful doing business in India. Indians would be much too smart for you.
    , @Talha
    Dear NtD,

    Great! Have fun and try to get a swig of sugar-cane juice before you leave (though it may mess with your stomach - to me, it's totally worth it).


    On a side note the relations between muslims and non muslims here are probably more harmonious than most people could imagine
     
    A lot of history there, some tragic, some not so much. I would say (after partition) it is probably better to be living as a Muslim today in India than Pakistan (and I was born in Pakistan). I think the nationalists on each side have kept this divide perpetuated in order to keep their respective military industrial complexes (and inflated egos) going. Anyone from Pakistan knows in his heart of hearts, our heritage can never be divorced from its roots in India (as much as Australia's can be from the UK). I have found the very level-headed non-extreme Islamic scholarship from places like Sarhanpur and Nadwatul-Ulama, etc. to be essential to the revival of a moderate tradition with deep Islamic roots but colored by the indigenous milieu. And it is a testament to the deep spiritual contribution of the Indian subcontinent that the chain of someone like Imam Ahmad Sirhindi (may God illuminate his grave) [my own great-great-great...grand-shaikh] extends well into Bosnia, Turkey, the Levant, the Caucasus as well as almost all of Transoxiana and China.

    May God grant you success in your business and safe passage through the skies back to your home.

  180. @KA
    http://www.examiner.com/article/foreclosure-precedence-case-1969-could-affect-homeowners-today

    In 1969 Bank was successfully sued by a homeowner preventing the foreclosure arguing that the bank created money out of nothing

    Very interesting, thanks. As throughout history the greed leads to overreach followed by retribution. What is it they say about those who don’t learn from history? Cheers

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  181. @Wizard of Oz
    Please stop wasting my time with irrelevant brain farts if you don't know how to argue a case or present evidence.

    1. Your link seems to have nothing to do with what you are replying to. Particularly Rothschild wealth and influence today.

    2. As I wrote a thesis on the problems of the so called gold standard when I was 26 many years ago I am decidedly unimpressed by the supposed authority of the author of the linked piece, one Peter Koenig, whom I see writes promiscuously for crank and Russian propaganda sites.

    3. The idea that currencies can be fully backed by gold in any meaningful sense is absurd. Do you seriously think the banking system could ever be made to provide gold at an exchange rate fixed for an appreciable time (say 15 years as a minimum) for those proffering their bank notes, bills of exchange, promissory notes etc.?

    4. How can the gold standard give any rational person confidence in either preservation of value or preservation of the standard when the production of gold and its market value have both fluctuated more than the $US and the US has shown what the gold standard means by abandoning it when under pressure? And not just the US...

    Sorry Wiz, my fault. I suggested you have somebody read it to you when I should have suggested that you have somebody explain it to you. Dear me, wizardry certainly isn’t what it used to be.

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    Just try answering my points at the risk of others inferring arrant stupidity.
  182. @NoseytheDuke
    Hello Talha,

    As it happens I'm writing this from India while I'm here on business. People are talking about this giant financial power shift and I've lost count of the number of people who've used the phrase "the wrong side of history" to describe US economic and foreign policy.

    Also, unlike in the US, people here have taken the time to look into the 9/11 mythology and I haven't met a single person yet who believes that giant official fairytale. Not one person has used that old chestnut "conspiracy theorist".

    On a side note the relations between muslims and non muslims here are probably more harmonious than most people could imagine (I'm in Mumbai). Who would have thought it?

    Brazil is currently under attack and in deep soap and bubble, it is directly in the neighbourhood though and likely has Wall St panicked about the potential to trigger a chain reaction

    Peace and blessings to you and yours.

    Be careful doing business in India. Indians would be much too smart for you.

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  183. @NoseytheDuke
    The 6th Fleet could sail through that knowledge gap of yours. When you "think" is there an echo?

    Try proof and evidence rather than vacuous emissions expressing nothing but attitude and that the attitude of the big kid sggressive kid with learning difficulties. You should realise that you have provided absolutely NOTHING of any substance by way of evidence, fact or argument to support any of your heavily assertive replies to me.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Pardon me but your confirmation bias is showing and your childish worldview is on full display.

    You talk about evidence whilst simultaneously defending the Rothschild empire based on admittedly having read a single book on the subject. You defend the morally indefensible because you had a friend whom you liked who worked for a certain company. OK, I suppose that's logical to you.

    What an idiot, a fool and a mental midget you've shown yourself to be. Rothschild banking doesn't exist to help anyone but themselves. For centuries they've been funding wars and usually both sides at the same time, and more than ever for wars they've had a direct hand in fomenting.

    You mentioned a thesis that you wrote and my thoughts were purely for the poor sods who attempted to read it with your long, rambling and convoluted sentence structure and thinking what a pretentious, pseudo-intellectual fraud you are.

    You are correct on one thing though, that Indians are smart. They are also possessed of a wonderful spirt and generosity whilst making the most of sometimes challenging circumstances. India is changing rapidly, and for the better. It's a big job but it is happening and the evidence is everywhere you look.

    Don't worry your enfeebled brain about my business dealings either, I can identify pompous, puffed up, ego-driven time-wasters like you in a New York minute, by your desperation to be seen as smart whilst proving the opposite to be the case. Thanks for the laughs though.

  184. @NoseytheDuke
    Sorry Wiz, my fault. I suggested you have somebody read it to you when I should have suggested that you have somebody explain it to you. Dear me, wizardry certainly isn't what it used to be.

    Just try answering my points at the risk of others inferring arrant stupidity.

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  185. @KA
    The nonfictional asset is 72 T .But that is measured by the "dollars" which are overpriced compared to most other currency . It is also measured by the belief that an asset in US city is more valuable than a similar asset say in Greece or Taiwan or Libya . These estimation are dependent on the assumptions that the Dollar denominated world will continue for ever Real estate valuation is an artifact when compared between countries .

    Considerations of purchasing power parity are certainly important but not really an answer to the point of Sam Shama’s reply.

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    • Replies: @bunga
    Purchasing powers of dollar vs non dollars are artificially fixed .

    Take the dollar off the "only reserve " and you will see the valuations of structural and non structural entities in a whole different light and numbers.
  186. alexander says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    The US government has been wasting vast amounts of money, especially on war but it isn't hitting future generations of Americans as much as you suggest. While interest rates are effectively negative it is overspending at the expense of everyone who lends money and that includes Japanese, oil state Arabs and Chinese at least as much as elderly Americans who have the misfortune to depend on interest bearing investments.

    Sorry Mr Wizard,

    I would love to agree with you, but I can’t.

    It is hitting future generations “exactly” as I suggested, and it is a criminal disaster.

    the debt is not the interest rates, interest rates are what is charged to service the debt.

    the debt is the debt is the debt.

    There is not much our government can do, except begin to operate at a surplus (bring in more money than it spends), or sell government owned assets (at a profit), to reduce it.

    There is the idea that we can “grow” the economy, enough so that our national debt becomes modest relative to our yearly GDP, or I suppose we can allow inflation to work , over time, so that the debt shrinks as the buying power of the dollar shrinks too.

    But even if we do all that, it is still a disaster,…. a total disaster,…. certainly compared to where we could be, had we capable stewards at the helm of our ship of state.

    Let me point something else out, Mr. Wizard,

    When foreign countries, like China, purchase large amounts of US treasury notes, they are not paying down our debt.

    Not one penny.

    If China purchases one trillion in treasury bonds, this amount is not “subtracted” from our national debt….Mr Wizard…..Our national debt stays “exactly” the same.

    If anything China is doing ,in these purchases, it is underwriting our ability to “pay off “our debt one day, so when the bonds mature, they will still get their money.

    Foreign countries purchase our bonds because they believe in the “credit worthiness” of the United States, that we are “good for the value ” of the notes we issue.

    That we won’t go belly up.

    But let me tell you, our national debt has reached a catastrophic threshold.and nearly all of it has been generated by these stupid, stupid neocon wars.

    Many countries around the world are watching us, and if our debt climbs much higher than it already has, above our yearly GDP, they might dump our notes because they think we are becoming insolvent, ….that we will never be able to make good on the debt we owe.

    Who can blame them ?

    This all could have been avoided, had we shown a modicum of foresight and intelligence , especially in our obscene overspending on these bogus , reckless, and never ending conflicts in the middle east.

    What a disaster.

    What are we doing over there ?

    We have just made a huge mess of everything, and gone broke in the process.

    Our foreign policy decisions must have been designed by people who have a profound hatred for the United States, especially our solvency and our freedom, …..otherwise, why would they do this?

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    I am not really disagreeing with your extreme distaste for debt but I take issue with you when you fail to see how it is still a question about who the losers are or will be. After all bankruptcy shares the losses from debt so that the debtor isn't the only loser. S&P made itself an enemy of the US government a few years ago by downgrading Treasury's AAA. In other words even the US government may not pay all its debts just as municipalities are already failing to.

    So who loses? Inflation is one of the classic supplements or alternatives to bankruptcy. Inflation combined with very low interest rates and rolling over debt (possibly with writedowns) will spread the pain widely. Pity the poor Chinese and Japanese savers as well as US ones!

    , @Carroll Price

    What are we doing over there ?
     
    Following orders. Israel's orders.
  187. Talha says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Hello Talha,

    As it happens I'm writing this from India while I'm here on business. People are talking about this giant financial power shift and I've lost count of the number of people who've used the phrase "the wrong side of history" to describe US economic and foreign policy.

    Also, unlike in the US, people here have taken the time to look into the 9/11 mythology and I haven't met a single person yet who believes that giant official fairytale. Not one person has used that old chestnut "conspiracy theorist".

    On a side note the relations between muslims and non muslims here are probably more harmonious than most people could imagine (I'm in Mumbai). Who would have thought it?

    Brazil is currently under attack and in deep soap and bubble, it is directly in the neighbourhood though and likely has Wall St panicked about the potential to trigger a chain reaction

    Peace and blessings to you and yours.

    Dear NtD,

    Great! Have fun and try to get a swig of sugar-cane juice before you leave (though it may mess with your stomach – to me, it’s totally worth it).

    On a side note the relations between muslims and non muslims here are probably more harmonious than most people could imagine

    A lot of history there, some tragic, some not so much. I would say (after partition) it is probably better to be living as a Muslim today in India than Pakistan (and I was born in Pakistan). I think the nationalists on each side have kept this divide perpetuated in order to keep their respective military industrial complexes (and inflated egos) going. Anyone from Pakistan knows in his heart of hearts, our heritage can never be divorced from its roots in India (as much as Australia’s can be from the UK). I have found the very level-headed non-extreme Islamic scholarship from places like Sarhanpur and Nadwatul-Ulama, etc. to be essential to the revival of a moderate tradition with deep Islamic roots but colored by the indigenous milieu. And it is a testament to the deep spiritual contribution of the Indian subcontinent that the chain of someone like Imam Ahmad Sirhindi (may God illuminate his grave) [my own great-great-great...grand-shaikh] extends well into Bosnia, Turkey, the Levant, the Caucasus as well as almost all of Transoxiana and China.

    May God grant you success in your business and safe passage through the skies back to your home.

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  189. bunga says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Considerations of purchasing power parity are certainly important but not really an answer to the point of Sam Shama's reply.

    Purchasing powers of dollar vs non dollars are artificially fixed .

    Take the dollar off the “only reserve ” and you will see the valuations of structural and non structural entities in a whole different light and numbers.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    That's a bit too cryptic for me to be sure I have understood all you are trying to convey but let me essay one response anyway.

    "fixed" in "artificially fixed" is a bit puzzling. The Australian dollar for example has been sll over the place against the $US within short periods if time from over $US1.10 to under $US0.50. At the same time exchange rates with the Yuan, Euro, GBP, Indonesian rupiah, Singapore dollar, Ruble and Yen have separately volatile. Nothing "fixed" at all that I can see. If fixed what principle applies? What could prevail against China generating world oversupply of iron ore, coal and maybe oil for a few years?
  190. @bunga
    Purchasing powers of dollar vs non dollars are artificially fixed .

    Take the dollar off the "only reserve " and you will see the valuations of structural and non structural entities in a whole different light and numbers.

    That’s a bit too cryptic for me to be sure I have understood all you are trying to convey but let me essay one response anyway.

    “fixed” in “artificially fixed” is a bit puzzling. The Australian dollar for example has been sll over the place against the $US within short periods if time from over $US1.10 to under $US0.50. At the same time exchange rates with the Yuan, Euro, GBP, Indonesian rupiah, Singapore dollar, Ruble and Yen have separately volatile. Nothing “fixed” at all that I can see. If fixed what principle applies? What could prevail against China generating world oversupply of iron ore, coal and maybe oil for a few years?

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  191. @Wizard of Oz
    Try proof and evidence rather than vacuous emissions expressing nothing but attitude and that the attitude of the big kid sggressive kid with learning difficulties. You should realise that you have provided absolutely NOTHING of any substance by way of evidence, fact or argument to support any of your heavily assertive replies to me.

    Pardon me but your confirmation bias is showing and your childish worldview is on full display.

    You talk about evidence whilst simultaneously defending the Rothschild empire based on admittedly having read a single book on the subject. You defend the morally indefensible because you had a friend whom you liked who worked for a certain company. OK, I suppose that’s logical to you.

    What an idiot, a fool and a mental midget you’ve shown yourself to be. Rothschild banking doesn’t exist to help anyone but themselves. For centuries they’ve been funding wars and usually both sides at the same time, and more than ever for wars they’ve had a direct hand in fomenting.

    You mentioned a thesis that you wrote and my thoughts were purely for the poor sods who attempted to read it with your long, rambling and convoluted sentence structure and thinking what a pretentious, pseudo-intellectual fraud you are.

    You are correct on one thing though, that Indians are smart. They are also possessed of a wonderful spirt and generosity whilst making the most of sometimes challenging circumstances. India is changing rapidly, and for the better. It’s a big job but it is happening and the evidence is everywhere you look.

    Don’t worry your enfeebled brain about my business dealings either, I can identify pompous, puffed up, ego-driven time-wasters like you in a New York minute, by your desperation to be seen as smart whilst proving the opposite to be the case. Thanks for the laughs though.

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    The idea of someone with your problems laughing except perhaps at ghoulish cruelty is hard to accept. I will credit you with enough intelligence to get yourself to and from India to do business but there seems to be a lack of education which may explain both the apparent chip on your shoulder and your inability to notice that I have not "defended" the Rothschilds as you say. Moreover my reference to my limited knowledge of Rothschild history and operations was something I introduced to encourage you, if you knew more - which you obviously don't - to enlighten me with good sources and reliable evidence. In fact my knowledge of people working in Rothschild enterprises and, very much to the point, entirely non-Jewish competitors, is considerably greater than I mentioned but hardly worth mentioning because my standards of evidence are high and I was encouraging you to produce something which supported your assertions. I note that you responded with that Peter Koenig link which made it appear that you had forgotten your Rothschild obsession and flipped to some "fiat currency" fugue. Get help if its not too late.
    BTW I too will be in India to do business in a couple of months but at the moment I am in the middle of a social tennis tournament so quite relaxed enough to humour you even though you are not good for an argument of substance.
  192. @stickman
    Ace, to me it is quite evident that you speak from your heart AND from your individual level of overall understanding of how things really work. Back in '64 i was an avid Goldwater Republican ~ and more. However, over time my own point of view has become something other than a pattern of shared ideological beliefs.

    To the disagreement: You hold that the U$ military was undefeated in Vietnam. This is true only on the deepest levels where the City of London centered bankster cabal were the major victors in the war as their investments in the WarDefense industry were massive and indeed, monumental. Otherwise, because the draftee troops had come to realize that "we" had no intention of winning that war; their morale dropped to many degrees below zero. When the word got out that the bodies of U$ KIA's were eviscerated and then stuffed with bags full of heroin before being flown back stateside; the fragging incidents exploded exponentially.

    Belief in any essential difference between the Damocraps and the Repooplikkkans reveals a level of political sophistication which still has a number of steps to climb. America's greatest historical novelist and public commentator, Gore Vidal, accurately described the Democans and the Republicrats as "the two arms of the corporate party". (slight paraphrasing). These prostiticians and their parties are mere puppets for the owners of the "Federal" Reserve Bank.

    I heard Gore Vidal speak at The Writers Guild in Beverly Hills once. It was sold out and I was very fortunate to get in. He was wonderful.

    I think he put it this way, “There is only one political party in America, it’s the Money Party and it operates using two separate branches”.

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  193. @NoseytheDuke
    Pardon me but your confirmation bias is showing and your childish worldview is on full display.

    You talk about evidence whilst simultaneously defending the Rothschild empire based on admittedly having read a single book on the subject. You defend the morally indefensible because you had a friend whom you liked who worked for a certain company. OK, I suppose that's logical to you.

    What an idiot, a fool and a mental midget you've shown yourself to be. Rothschild banking doesn't exist to help anyone but themselves. For centuries they've been funding wars and usually both sides at the same time, and more than ever for wars they've had a direct hand in fomenting.

    You mentioned a thesis that you wrote and my thoughts were purely for the poor sods who attempted to read it with your long, rambling and convoluted sentence structure and thinking what a pretentious, pseudo-intellectual fraud you are.

    You are correct on one thing though, that Indians are smart. They are also possessed of a wonderful spirt and generosity whilst making the most of sometimes challenging circumstances. India is changing rapidly, and for the better. It's a big job but it is happening and the evidence is everywhere you look.

    Don't worry your enfeebled brain about my business dealings either, I can identify pompous, puffed up, ego-driven time-wasters like you in a New York minute, by your desperation to be seen as smart whilst proving the opposite to be the case. Thanks for the laughs though.

    The idea of someone with your problems laughing except perhaps at ghoulish cruelty is hard to accept. I will credit you with enough intelligence to get yourself to and from India to do business but there seems to be a lack of education which may explain both the apparent chip on your shoulder and your inability to notice that I have not “defended” the Rothschilds as you say. Moreover my reference to my limited knowledge of Rothschild history and operations was something I introduced to encourage you, if you knew more – which you obviously don’t – to enlighten me with good sources and reliable evidence. In fact my knowledge of people working in Rothschild enterprises and, very much to the point, entirely non-Jewish competitors, is considerably greater than I mentioned but hardly worth mentioning because my standards of evidence are high and I was encouraging you to produce something which supported your assertions. I note that you responded with that Peter Koenig link which made it appear that you had forgotten your Rothschild obsession and flipped to some “fiat currency” fugue. Get help if its not too late.
    BTW I too will be in India to do business in a couple of months but at the moment I am in the middle of a social tennis tournament so quite relaxed enough to humour you even though you are not good for an argument of substance.

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  194. @alexander
    Sorry Mr Wizard,

    I would love to agree with you, but I can't.

    It is hitting future generations "exactly" as I suggested, and it is a criminal disaster.

    the debt is not the interest rates, interest rates are what is charged to service the debt.

    the debt is the debt is the debt.

    There is not much our government can do, except begin to operate at a surplus (bring in more money than it spends), or sell government owned assets (at a profit), to reduce it.

    There is the idea that we can "grow" the economy, enough so that our national debt becomes modest relative to our yearly GDP, or I suppose we can allow inflation to work , over time, so that the debt shrinks as the buying power of the dollar shrinks too.

    But even if we do all that, it is still a disaster,.... a total disaster,.... certainly compared to where we could be, had we capable stewards at the helm of our ship of state.

    Let me point something else out, Mr. Wizard,

    When foreign countries, like China, purchase large amounts of US treasury notes, they are not paying down our debt.

    Not one penny.

    If China purchases one trillion in treasury bonds, this amount is not "subtracted" from our national debt....Mr Wizard.....Our national debt stays "exactly" the same.

    If anything China is doing ,in these purchases, it is underwriting our ability to "pay off "our debt one day, so when the bonds mature, they will still get their money.

    Foreign countries purchase our bonds because they believe in the "credit worthiness" of the United States, that we are "good for the value " of the notes we issue.

    That we won't go belly up.

    But let me tell you, our national debt has reached a catastrophic threshold.and nearly all of it has been generated by these stupid, stupid neocon wars.

    Many countries around the world are watching us, and if our debt climbs much higher than it already has, above our yearly GDP, they might dump our notes because they think we are becoming insolvent, ....that we will never be able to make good on the debt we owe.

    Who can blame them ?

    This all could have been avoided, had we shown a modicum of foresight and intelligence , especially in our obscene overspending on these bogus , reckless, and never ending conflicts in the middle east.

    What a disaster.

    What are we doing over there ?

    We have just made a huge mess of everything, and gone broke in the process.

    Our foreign policy decisions must have been designed by people who have a profound hatred for the United States, especially our solvency and our freedom, .....otherwise, why would they do this?

    I am not really disagreeing with your extreme distaste for debt but I take issue with you when you fail to see how it is still a question about who the losers are or will be. After all bankruptcy shares the losses from debt so that the debtor isn’t the only loser. S&P made itself an enemy of the US government a few years ago by downgrading Treasury’s AAA. In other words even the US government may not pay all its debts just as municipalities are already failing to.

    So who loses? Inflation is one of the classic supplements or alternatives to bankruptcy. Inflation combined with very low interest rates and rolling over debt (possibly with writedowns) will spread the pain widely. Pity the poor Chinese and Japanese savers as well as US ones!

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    Excuse me , Mr Wizard,

    Who the losers will be ?

    You really are sounding like a nincompoop on this , either that, or the sleaziest person on the planet.

    The money we owe we have borrowed from "ourselves", you idiot.

    We are our "own" creditors.

    If we don't pay ourselves back what we spent...we lose!
  195. alexander says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    I am not really disagreeing with your extreme distaste for debt but I take issue with you when you fail to see how it is still a question about who the losers are or will be. After all bankruptcy shares the losses from debt so that the debtor isn't the only loser. S&P made itself an enemy of the US government a few years ago by downgrading Treasury's AAA. In other words even the US government may not pay all its debts just as municipalities are already failing to.

    So who loses? Inflation is one of the classic supplements or alternatives to bankruptcy. Inflation combined with very low interest rates and rolling over debt (possibly with writedowns) will spread the pain widely. Pity the poor Chinese and Japanese savers as well as US ones!

    Excuse me , Mr Wizard,

    Who the losers will be ?

    You really are sounding like a nincompoop on this , either that, or the sleaziest person on the planet.

    The money we owe we have borrowed from “ourselves”, you idiot.

    We are our “own” creditors.

    If we don’t pay ourselves back what we spent…we lose!

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    You seem to be remarkably ignorant, or at least forgetful, for someone who is so confident that he expresses himself with arrogant assurance.

    Do you not recall Hillary Clinton saying (as disclosed I think by Wikileaks) when advised to be tough with China "how can you deal toughly with your banker"?

    I'm sure if you knew who owned the various categories of US debt and the amounts you would have used that information. All I was pointing out is that the big losers would include China and Japan, and other foreign creditors, if the US either defaulted or inflated its currency to the point where it lost significsnt purchasing power. Don't you understand that?

    Japan is one of the very few countries with massive government debt which owes by far the greater part of that debt to its own citizens and institutions. Of course Japan hasn't quite the freedom of action that the US still has by reason of the $US status as the world's main reserve currency so its borrowing domestically is a major protection against insolvency although you could say of Japan that, to the extent that government has borrowed from citizens to pay for projects with no or little positive return it does face the problem of making Japanese people losers by reason of government debt.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    "If we don't pay ourselves back what we owe - we lose".

    You assert this as though it was an a priori logical truth, a tautology, instead of what it is: a contingent proposition which may or may not be empirically true. What if the borrower uses the borrowed funds so well that it creates assets with high earning rates into the indefinite future - like building the Brooklyn Bridge or financing the growth of Procter & Gamble 150 years ago? The creditors wouldn't even want the debt to be paid off. They would and do happily allow it to be rolled over.

    Of course your panic is justified because the US government like most governments doesn't invest borrowed money profitably - not like the good old days when navies could help win profitable opium wars or marines open up a country for banana production....
  196. alexander says:
    @Carroll Price
    When you consider Israel's long history of using false flag attacks to justify wars of aggression (9/11 anyone?) it becomes perfectly logical to assume that the "terrorist rocket attacks" that never actually to hit anything are exactly what they appear to be.

    I suppose its a very similar technique to staging the anthrax attacks in Senator Leahy and Tom Brokaw’s offices and then Blaming it on Saddam to goad us into war with Iraq.

    This kind of terror fraud, being so rampant and uncontested, has done enormous damage to the well being of our country.

    How destabilizing is it for our national security that these false flag incidents have gone unaddressed for so long ?

    It would seem our government, if it truly working in the interest the people, and the safety of the nation as a whole,would go after those committing this kind of fraud….with a vengeance.

    How can you ever be rid of the true enemy who is attacking you, if that enemy keeps getting away with fooling you into believing it was those they wish you to attack, not themselves, who are responsible ?

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  197. @alexander
    Sorry Mr Wizard,

    I would love to agree with you, but I can't.

    It is hitting future generations "exactly" as I suggested, and it is a criminal disaster.

    the debt is not the interest rates, interest rates are what is charged to service the debt.

    the debt is the debt is the debt.

    There is not much our government can do, except begin to operate at a surplus (bring in more money than it spends), or sell government owned assets (at a profit), to reduce it.

    There is the idea that we can "grow" the economy, enough so that our national debt becomes modest relative to our yearly GDP, or I suppose we can allow inflation to work , over time, so that the debt shrinks as the buying power of the dollar shrinks too.

    But even if we do all that, it is still a disaster,.... a total disaster,.... certainly compared to where we could be, had we capable stewards at the helm of our ship of state.

    Let me point something else out, Mr. Wizard,

    When foreign countries, like China, purchase large amounts of US treasury notes, they are not paying down our debt.

    Not one penny.

    If China purchases one trillion in treasury bonds, this amount is not "subtracted" from our national debt....Mr Wizard.....Our national debt stays "exactly" the same.

    If anything China is doing ,in these purchases, it is underwriting our ability to "pay off "our debt one day, so when the bonds mature, they will still get their money.

    Foreign countries purchase our bonds because they believe in the "credit worthiness" of the United States, that we are "good for the value " of the notes we issue.

    That we won't go belly up.

    But let me tell you, our national debt has reached a catastrophic threshold.and nearly all of it has been generated by these stupid, stupid neocon wars.

    Many countries around the world are watching us, and if our debt climbs much higher than it already has, above our yearly GDP, they might dump our notes because they think we are becoming insolvent, ....that we will never be able to make good on the debt we owe.

    Who can blame them ?

    This all could have been avoided, had we shown a modicum of foresight and intelligence , especially in our obscene overspending on these bogus , reckless, and never ending conflicts in the middle east.

    What a disaster.

    What are we doing over there ?

    We have just made a huge mess of everything, and gone broke in the process.

    Our foreign policy decisions must have been designed by people who have a profound hatred for the United States, especially our solvency and our freedom, .....otherwise, why would they do this?

    What are we doing over there ?

    Following orders. Israel’s orders.

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  198. USAMNESIA says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    The USA spends 4-8% of its GDP on what is laughably called "national security", depending on if you count just the Pentagon budget or total national security spending. For example, the Dept of Energy pays for nuclear weapons, the VA pays for military disability costs, and the Dept. of Treasury pays some $30 billion a year in military retirement costs. Then there is the annual OCO "war" slush fund of up to $100 billion. Total costs are over a trillion dollars a year.

    From my blog:

    Jan 1, 2015 - Enemies Everywhere

    In the year 2014 new "enemies" were introduced to the American people. ISIS appeared from nowhere. Friendly Russia was demonized and brought out of retirement. American forces discovered several new enemies in Africa. In 1919, historian Joseph Schumpeter’s book, Imperialism and Social Classes, described ancient Rome in a way that sounds eerily like the United States today:

    "There was no corner of the known world where some interest was not alleged to be in danger or under actual attack. If the interests were not Roman, they were those of Rome's allies; and if Rome had no allies, the allies would be invented. When it was utterly impossible to contrive such an interest -- why, then it was the national honor that had been insulted. The fight was always invested with an aura of legality. Rome was always being attacked by evil-minded neighbors. The whole world was pervaded by a host of enemies; it was manifestly Rome's duty to guard against their indubitably aggressive designs."

    Heard in passing recently;

    “The pretense in disputed elections is that the great conflict is between the two major parties. The reality is that there is a much bigger conflict that the two parties jointly wage against large numbers of Americans who are represented by neither party and against powerless millions around the world.”

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  199. @alexander
    Excuse me , Mr Wizard,

    Who the losers will be ?

    You really are sounding like a nincompoop on this , either that, or the sleaziest person on the planet.

    The money we owe we have borrowed from "ourselves", you idiot.

    We are our "own" creditors.

    If we don't pay ourselves back what we spent...we lose!

    You seem to be remarkably ignorant, or at least forgetful, for someone who is so confident that he expresses himself with arrogant assurance.

    Do you not recall Hillary Clinton saying (as disclosed I think by Wikileaks) when advised to be tough with China “how can you deal toughly with your banker”?

    I’m sure if you knew who owned the various categories of US debt and the amounts you would have used that information. All I was pointing out is that the big losers would include China and Japan, and other foreign creditors, if the US either defaulted or inflated its currency to the point where it lost significsnt purchasing power. Don’t you understand that?

    Japan is one of the very few countries with massive government debt which owes by far the greater part of that debt to its own citizens and institutions. Of course Japan hasn’t quite the freedom of action that the US still has by reason of the $US status as the world’s main reserve currency so its borrowing domestically is a major protection against insolvency although you could say of Japan that, to the extent that government has borrowed from citizens to pay for projects with no or little positive return it does face the problem of making Japanese people losers by reason of government debt.

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  200. @alexander
    Excuse me , Mr Wizard,

    Who the losers will be ?

    You really are sounding like a nincompoop on this , either that, or the sleaziest person on the planet.

    The money we owe we have borrowed from "ourselves", you idiot.

    We are our "own" creditors.

    If we don't pay ourselves back what we spent...we lose!

    “If we don’t pay ourselves back what we owe – we lose”.

    You assert this as though it was an a priori logical truth, a tautology, instead of what it is: a contingent proposition which may or may not be empirically true. What if the borrower uses the borrowed funds so well that it creates assets with high earning rates into the indefinite future – like building the Brooklyn Bridge or financing the growth of Procter & Gamble 150 years ago? The creditors wouldn’t even want the debt to be paid off. They would and do happily allow it to be rolled over.

    Of course your panic is justified because the US government like most governments doesn’t invest borrowed money profitably – not like the good old days when navies could help win profitable opium wars or marines open up a country for banana production….

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    Listen Mr. Wizard,

    Our government, under Neocon domination, has overspent what it has budgeted by 13.3 trillion dollars in a mere decade and a half..

    This is absolutely insane amounts of overspending.

    Insane.

    And all of it has been spent on what ?......War fraud ? ...and banking fraud ?

    And that's OK with you ?

    Are you trying to tell me its acceptable for these people to steal tens of trillions of taxpayer dollars...because they conned us into "war" believing it was Saddam's anthrax....when it wasn't ?

    Or that we bailed out some banking shysters who decided to give a triple A rating to worthless subprime mortgage bundles, and sell them around the world?

    This is all fraud, Wizard,....... pernicious fraud.

    Why should one single american be forced to pay one penny for any of this, let alone be stuck on the hook for 19 trillion ?

    Why should we ?

    , @NoseytheDuke
    To paraphrase Winston Churchill, 'tis better for an idiot to remain silent than to express himself and reveal his idiocy. What a windfall you'd get were you to demand a refund on your "education".
  201. alexander says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    "If we don't pay ourselves back what we owe - we lose".

    You assert this as though it was an a priori logical truth, a tautology, instead of what it is: a contingent proposition which may or may not be empirically true. What if the borrower uses the borrowed funds so well that it creates assets with high earning rates into the indefinite future - like building the Brooklyn Bridge or financing the growth of Procter & Gamble 150 years ago? The creditors wouldn't even want the debt to be paid off. They would and do happily allow it to be rolled over.

    Of course your panic is justified because the US government like most governments doesn't invest borrowed money profitably - not like the good old days when navies could help win profitable opium wars or marines open up a country for banana production....

    Listen Mr. Wizard,

    Our government, under Neocon domination, has overspent what it has budgeted by 13.3 trillion dollars in a mere decade and a half..

    This is absolutely insane amounts of overspending.

    Insane.

    And all of it has been spent on what ?……War fraud ? …and banking fraud ?

    And that’s OK with you ?

    Are you trying to tell me its acceptable for these people to steal tens of trillions of taxpayer dollars…because they conned us into “war” believing it was Saddam’s anthrax….when it wasn’t ?

    Or that we bailed out some banking shysters who decided to give a triple A rating to worthless subprime mortgage bundles, and sell them around the world?

    This is all fraud, Wizard,……. pernicious fraud.

    Why should one single american be forced to pay one penny for any of this, let alone be stuck on the hook for 19 trillion ?

    Why should we ?

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    You seem to have got too excited to notice that I was never disputing the iniquity of US government debt funded policy. You could usefully absorb Sam Shama's extended account of related matters #206.
  202. Sam Shama says:

    Its a tricky task, writing a compact and un-irritating comment on the Gold Standard [GS hereafter], its historic failure, and the indubitable comparative success of the modern monetary system [MMS] as measured by fluctuations of GDP, unemployment rate and other key economic variables during periods of economic stress – typically temporary imbalances resulting from demand deficiency and lack of confidence on account of the employment outlook – or, supply side shocks of the 1970s variety emanating from resource shortages, viz. crude oil.

    [I am sure the preceding unconvoluted paragraph succeeded in satisfying the opening words]

    I am hearing a great deal about the actions of the “Rothschild Fed”, the impending collapse of the U.S/Anglophone and European systems and a “takeover” of key reserve currency status and interbank payment systems. What is missing in all of these pronouncements, is an internally consistent set of arguments as to why all of the preceding scenarios ought to arise, leave alone their inevitability. It isn’t enough, and indeed unsatisfactory to point to the $19Tr of debt, and attempt to use it as a generic rebuttal against positions to the contrary. In other words, for an argument to have economic force, it must have consistent theory and empirical validity behind it.

    Let’s dispatch with a few items related primarily to data and national motivations. As of 1st quarter 2016, the $19 Tr of U.S. debt, the largest tranche is owned by the Social Security trust fund [~$2.8tr]. China owns the largest [$1.23Tr] of the total foreign holdings of $6 Tr. Most of U.S. debt is what we really owe ourselves, classified as intra-governmental holdings of $13.5 Tr or so.

    The large ones in this classification are:

    * Social Security (Social Security Trust Fund and Federal Disability Insurance Trust Fund) – $2.786 trillion

    * Office of Personnel Management Retirement – $873 billion

    * Military Retirement Fund – $601 billion

    * Medicare (Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund, Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Fund) – $267 billion

    * All Other Retirement Funds – $187 billion

    * Cash on Hand to Fund Federal Government Operations – $508 billion.

    (Source: Treasury Bulletin, Monthly Treasury Statement, Table 6. Schedule D-Investments of Federal Government Accounts in Federal Securities)

    On national motivations, it is one’s right as a citizen to question, indeed oppose – presumably or questionably ( :-) ), manifested through your vote – the actions of U.S. administrations, past and present in their quests for global influence. You may despise the neocons [I am no fan], yet the government and its agencies such as the Fed, owe not a whit of explanation to other governments for pursuing its own interests. One would be living in an indulgent fiction were one to assume that other countries, if in such a position to dominate monetary and economic systems, pass on the opportunity out of pure benevolent intent.

    Turning to the GS, history ought to clarify that it is a pro-cyclical system. Implying that its application deepens ongoing recessions and exacerbates inflationary episodes. Observe what happened to the U.K. during the Great Depression; gold flowed from it to the U.S. where the recession had originally started, and as a result the Bank of England reduced the quantity of Money made available to commercial banks which responded in kind to currency available to the public. Bank failures ensued and U.K’s demand side shrunk, continuing the vicious cycle. The Fed which should have increased money supply failed to do so, locking away the gold flowing into its coffers. Abandoning the GS ["freed from the gilded cage" in the words of J.M. Keynes] finally in 1931, led to a resurgence of confidence and business investments followed with the needful.

    I am also hearing that the U.S.’ primary reserve status is the outcome of a “fixing”. It is decidedly not. One might validly point out that the U.S wastes a fair amount on unnecessary wars, but the charge of reserve status fixing is based entirely on facts not in evidence. Think what gives a currency its reserve status. Its solely based on its ability to service its debt. I am yet to see any meaningful competitive economies that can come close to absorbing the amount of free capital that the U.S. does, or can in the foreseeable future. The $1.2Tr that China holds , is due not so much on account of any actions as a “banker” as it is an unavoidable artifact of its deliberate policy of growing its economy through exports. I should like to belabour this point; the roughly 6.3% of our total debt that China holds, it cannot trivially “sell” in the market place. For if it did so it would have to buy the debt [same as holding currency] of a competitor: Euros, Yen, or even in Renminbi. This would have the effect of increasing the price of Eurobonds or Yen bonds [reduce their interest rates] and depreciate their currencies, causing greater exports for Germany or Japan and its own vis-a-vis the U.S. which would then show up as additional U.S. debt held by these countries! This is indeed what has happened. Mercantile policies of Germany, Japan and China have rendered them captive to selling to the U.S. markets. Its is in the interest of all to move to more balanced economies [such as that of the U.S....surprised? U.S. net exports are only about -2% of national income, and closing its doors to International trade might at the most produce a garden variety recession here - more likely not - but catastrophic ones for its trading partners]. Its not an easy task when a country has been engaged in export addiction [the flip side of U.S. debt Scolds' accusations]. China is in the process of trying precisely that and as a result of it going through a period of great difficulty.

    Coming back to the question of adopting the GS and the closely related issue of reserve currency, it is incumbent on those who advocate it, to tell us what the remedy would be in the event of a future great recession [it will happen, the question is only one of duration and amplitude]. It is not nearly enough to say that a government will issue “what it needs”; for beelzebub, as it is said, lives in the details.

    You are certainly entitled to your opinions; not so much your facts.

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    Sam,

    I am shocked.

    I just read through your "tranches" ?

    it is the biggest sack of Neocon sh#t I have ever read .in my life...You have got a lot of nerve..

    .what a total fraud.

    Ok..... lets see where we are...... Sam the Man ?

    Question 1...what is the total cost to date of the ongoing war in Iraq? the "real" cost ?

    Question 2. what was the total cost of our bogus Iraq reconstruction effort?

    Question 3. what was the total cost(just) to build and run our embassy in Iraq?

    Question 4. what was the total cost to treat our wounded service men?

    Question 5. what is the real cost of our entire outlays in Afghanistan since 2001 ?

    Question 6. what is the total cost of homeland security since 2001 ?

    Question 7. what is the total cost to taxpayers of the TSA since its inception ?

    Question 8. what is the total cost to taxpayers of the NSA since 2001?

    Question 9. what was the total cost to taxpayers of the banking fiasco and bailout ?

    What you do..is you take all THESE costs that would never had occurred without the sinister and malicious fraud that created them and add em up....because its where the american taxpayer has been suckered out of all his money over the last fifteen years.

    This is where our "debt" has been created.


    what can I say about your last comment.

    Except its a total sham, Sam.

    A total sham.

    What a heaving crock of sh#t.

    , @Benji Gold
    Spot on.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    I do challenge your logic in stating this, "yet the government and its agencies such as the Fed, owe not a whit of explanation to other governments for pursuing its own interests".

    Starting unprovoked wars against sovereign nations is a war crime and certainly does concern other governments, everywhere. It forces them to expend resources on their defence unnecessarily, thus depriving their own people of their productivity dividend, weakens support globally for the US and if history is anything to go by, it results in the failure of that empire, Rome, France and Great Britain come to mind but there are others as well.

    Those behind all of this are parasites who seek to control the entire world, not just America. At some point the parasite will destroy the host lest it threaten the greater plan. Only the American people can stop this by rooting out these criminals and holding them to account.

    , @Junior

    I am hearing a great deal about the actions of the “Rothschild Fed”, the impending collapse of the U.S/Anglophone and European systems and a “takeover” of key reserve currency status and interbank payment systems. What is missing in all of these pronouncements, is an internally consistent set of arguments as to why all of the preceding scenarios ought to arise, leave alone their inevitability. It isn’t enough, and indeed unsatisfactory to point to the $19Tr of debt, and attempt to use it as a generic rebuttal against positions to the contrary. In other words, for an argument to have economic force, it must have consistent theory and empirical validity behind it.
     
    What is the reason for your quotes around "takeover", Sam? Do you not believe that their plan is exactly to takeover and install a Global Currency? The bastards brag about it every chance they get.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZVP9aHdlQI

    Do you deny the IMF's Global Currency Reset? Do you deny that the SDR's are the vehicle that they will use to bring about a Global Currency?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/new-world-disorder-why-geithners-imf-sdr-plan-for-a-global-currency-is-high-treason-2011-7

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/01/business/international/china-renminbi-reserve-currency.html?_r=0

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-financial-new-world-order-towards-a-global-currency-and-world-government/13070

    Do you deny that the $19Tr of debt is a bubble that is already showing signs of bursting as is evidenced by the massive selling off of US debt by countries? The jig is up and ALL the world knows it BECAUSE of the $19Tr debt except for here in America where there apparently are "privately owned" companies that are buying up the debt to try and keep the ponzi scheme going as long as possible. The key part to any Con-Game(Confidence Game) is the Confidence, and the world has lost it's confidence in the con-game that is the stability of the dollar.

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/17/news/economy/china-us-debt-dump-central-banks/

    http://www.ibtimes.com/china-brazil-dump-us-debt-latest-signal-global-emerging-market-slowdown-2130987

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-22/u-s-is-hiding-treasury-bond-data-that-s-suddenly-become-crucial

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/19/investing/saudi-arabia-threat-dump-us-assets-911-bill/

    In regards to whether or not going back to the Gold Standard is the solution, I don't know. Although it seems evident that China believes that this is the correct course of action from all their current attempts to hoard as much gold as possible. I do however know that an audit of the FED is the first step that must be taken in any solution.
    , @Kiza
    Dear Sam, with respect, your write up is a mish-mash of financial orthodoxies, establishment lies and truths. Since I personally feel challenged on my notion that the US is a runaway train heading for a cliff, I will provide a long response.

    Firstly, let me clarify that the US military budget, although partially hidden into various non-military looking allocations and appropriations, and amounting to a cool trillion per annum, by itself does not look likely to collapse the US economy. But it could be the proverbial straw thrown onto the camel's back.

    Then, let me state the key concern which is likely to collapse the US financial system and its economy. It is debt. Now, you appear to subscribe to an utterly wrong postulate that only foreign debt matters. Instead, it is that the whole Western financial system is based on debt where the problem lies. I have written before and I repeat - the debt-based Western financial system was established when the West was going through industrialization. But the debt-based financial system is utterly useless and outright dangerous for a slow-growing economy of primarily services and outsourced manufacturing. Such economy cannot produce capital returns that money chases. This is why the financial speculation (not in the positive sense of arbitrage) becomes the main replacement for production and debt-based economy becomes an enabler of speculation. On top of this come the regulatory capture and revolving doors. The result is a crooked financial market and a crooked whole financial system. An army of financial whizzes speculates with financial instruments (various derivatives) instead of creating any real value. The first effect is the loss of accumulated value of ordinary citizens - the pensions.

    Secondly, on top of this, as long as the system keeps surviving somehow, most people laugh at bears who say - we cannot keep going on like this. Another way of saying this is - nothing succeeds like success and nothing fails like failure. It does not fail, it does not fail, but when it fails one day, then it will really fail to the core.

    The Fractional Reserve Banking, which is the main principle of a debt-based developing economy, does not fit the Western economies any more. For example, the Fractional Reserve Banking lays claims on the future value produced by the borrower, but in a slow-developing mature economy the new value is added too slowly. The debt creation is too fast, the value creation is too slow, a huge pyramid of debt has been built. The pyramid must collapse one day. No-one can produce the value of paper promises any more, neither developed countries, nor developing countries. The amount in derivatives exceeds the total World economy several times over. It is a mountain of paper, which no real assets can back up.

    Finally, Sam, the worst fact is that the Western/US financial system has no feedback/corrective loop - it can only go in one direction. On top, every day that it survives is used as a proof of its survivability. But every day things only get worse, closer to the cliff, whilst the trains passengers are having one hell of a party inside, sharing huge bonuses and enjoying the good times flowing.

    I have a belief that the biggest societal leeches are, in the diminishing order of danger:
    1) banksters,
    2) military industrial propaganda complex,
    3) big pharma and medical and
    4) all other bought monopolies (private prisons, private airports, roads, telecommunications etc).
    But only the banksters can collapse the whole society and they will due to their blind greed.

  203. Ace says:
    @Carroll Price
    http://www.g2mil.com/lost_vietnam.htm

    I am not a proponent of the idea that we never lost a battle. Rather, along with Frank Snepp, I think it is clear that U.S. forces effected a military victory overall.

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    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    I posted the link for the benefit of the sizable number of Americans (not necessarily you) who assume the US never lost a battle in Vietnam, when, in fact, they lost quite a few. These are the same people, by the way, who think the US single-handedly defeated the German army, when in fact, the German army was destroyed by Russia on the Eastern Front, long before the US dared land a significant numbers of troops on European soil.
  204. @alexander
    Listen Mr. Wizard,

    Our government, under Neocon domination, has overspent what it has budgeted by 13.3 trillion dollars in a mere decade and a half..

    This is absolutely insane amounts of overspending.

    Insane.

    And all of it has been spent on what ?......War fraud ? ...and banking fraud ?

    And that's OK with you ?

    Are you trying to tell me its acceptable for these people to steal tens of trillions of taxpayer dollars...because they conned us into "war" believing it was Saddam's anthrax....when it wasn't ?

    Or that we bailed out some banking shysters who decided to give a triple A rating to worthless subprime mortgage bundles, and sell them around the world?

    This is all fraud, Wizard,....... pernicious fraud.

    Why should one single american be forced to pay one penny for any of this, let alone be stuck on the hook for 19 trillion ?

    Why should we ?

    You seem to have got too excited to notice that I was never disputing the iniquity of US government debt funded policy. You could usefully absorb Sam Shama’s extended account of related matters #206.

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  205. Ace says:
    @stickman
    Ace, to me it is quite evident that you speak from your heart AND from your individual level of overall understanding of how things really work. Back in '64 i was an avid Goldwater Republican ~ and more. However, over time my own point of view has become something other than a pattern of shared ideological beliefs.

    To the disagreement: You hold that the U$ military was undefeated in Vietnam. This is true only on the deepest levels where the City of London centered bankster cabal were the major victors in the war as their investments in the WarDefense industry were massive and indeed, monumental. Otherwise, because the draftee troops had come to realize that "we" had no intention of winning that war; their morale dropped to many degrees below zero. When the word got out that the bodies of U$ KIA's were eviscerated and then stuffed with bags full of heroin before being flown back stateside; the fragging incidents exploded exponentially.

    Belief in any essential difference between the Damocraps and the Repooplikkkans reveals a level of political sophistication which still has a number of steps to climb. America's greatest historical novelist and public commentator, Gore Vidal, accurately described the Democans and the Republicrats as "the two arms of the corporate party". (slight paraphrasing). These prostiticians and their parties are mere puppets for the owners of the "Federal" Reserve Bank.

    Thank you, Sir.

    I’m all in favor of personal reassessments. I am a certified paleo-conservative but now believe that the conservative movement is useless (along with the GOPe), that William Buckley, Jr., sold out some of the finest conservative minds of the age to advance his desire for social acceptance, that libertarians and neocons are a threat to our survival, that Israel adds nothing to our national security, and that Putin did a magnificent thing to insert a stick in the spokes of the mendacious U.S. effort to bring down Assad and to expose the pretend “bombing” of ISIS lo these many months. For someone who loathed the Soviet Union, that’s a strange new position. But only on the surface. Contrary to the Treason Class’s strenuous efforts to paint Putin as the new Stalin, he isn’t so there’s not much of a volte face involved on my part.

    The U.S. military achieved a military victory in Vietnam. Your point about the bankster cabal does not negate this fact. All that can be said about it, assuming you’re correct that it existed, is that it profited financially even though we experienced a political defeat at the hands of congressional Democrats. I’m more than willing to explore the role of banksters a la Anthony Sutton. I just don’t happen to be well informed on that particular cabal. The outlines of the one that is so hysterical about Donald Trump is clearer and Trump’s success is so delicious because it has forced so many of the constituent swine out into the open. Exhibit A: National Review.

    I have great skepticism about the “heroin in the bodies” story. In my 72 years I think this is the second time I’ve heard of that. Having spent one tour in Nam, I have very little faith that this allegation is remotely true. Like 9-11, such a grisly operation would require a level and degree of coordination that is just not credible. Bodies of our KIAs are precious cargo and however loose things can be in a combat zone, when bodies of our guys land in the States the chances of irregularities being detected are high. I’ll file that one under “Give me a break.”

    One-year tours took care of the anxieties of most draftees. They didn’t care about overall strategy or result but rare was the man who didn’t maintain his own DEROS countdown calendar. That said, it didn’t take a rocket scientist to see that pacification efforts often involved moving through areas that were then reoccupied by Charlie. The rules of engagement were clearer to me after I left (and they absurd) but still I did not think at the time that we were taking it to the enemy in a serious way. Compare and contrast with the Cambodian incursion and you can see what a determination to put Charlie in a world of hurt did. In the Delta, it was all over for the Cong. But that was rare, though God bless President Nixon for his willingness to fight a war as it should be fought.

    Fragging had everything to do with black troops’ resentment and that of white draftees who were not, shall we say, imbued with a love of their country. Arnett’s “Vietnam: The Ten Thousand Day War” documentary has the story on the morale problems and racial resentment on the part of blacks. Not for nothing did the military go to the all-volunteer military after the war.

    I’m not a great fan of Vidal but probably will find myself in agreement on the Uniparty idea. These are such absurd times that all dissenting voices must be reconsidered. I used to think (big) corporate America was a part of the patriotic backbone of the country but that is a belief I have long since rejected. And if one does not recoil at the concept and record of the Federal Reserve today, one is just not paying attention. It took me a while to wake up to that but I did.

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  206. alexander says:
    @Sam Shama
    Its a tricky task, writing a compact and un-irritating comment on the Gold Standard [GS hereafter], its historic failure, and the indubitable comparative success of the modern monetary system [MMS] as measured by fluctuations of GDP, unemployment rate and other key economic variables during periods of economic stress - typically temporary imbalances resulting from demand deficiency and lack of confidence on account of the employment outlook - or, supply side shocks of the 1970s variety emanating from resource shortages, viz. crude oil.

    [I am sure the preceding unconvoluted paragraph succeeded in satisfying the opening words]

    I am hearing a great deal about the actions of the "Rothschild Fed", the impending collapse of the U.S/Anglophone and European systems and a "takeover" of key reserve currency status and interbank payment systems. What is missing in all of these pronouncements, is an internally consistent set of arguments as to why all of the preceding scenarios ought to arise, leave alone their inevitability. It isn't enough, and indeed unsatisfactory to point to the $19Tr of debt, and attempt to use it as a generic rebuttal against positions to the contrary. In other words, for an argument to have economic force, it must have consistent theory and empirical validity behind it.

    Let's dispatch with a few items related primarily to data and national motivations. As of 1st quarter 2016, the $19 Tr of U.S. debt, the largest tranche is owned by the Social Security trust fund [~$2.8tr]. China owns the largest [$1.23Tr] of the total foreign holdings of $6 Tr. Most of U.S. debt is what we really owe ourselves, classified as intra-governmental holdings of $13.5 Tr or so.

    The large ones in this classification are:


    * Social Security (Social Security Trust Fund and Federal Disability Insurance Trust Fund) - $2.786 trillion

    * Office of Personnel Management Retirement - $873 billion

    * Military Retirement Fund - $601 billion

    * Medicare (Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund, Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Fund) - $267 billion

    * All Other Retirement Funds - $187 billion

    * Cash on Hand to Fund Federal Government Operations - $508 billion.

    (Source: Treasury Bulletin, Monthly Treasury Statement, Table 6. Schedule D-Investments of Federal Government Accounts in Federal Securities)


     

    On national motivations, it is one's right as a citizen to question, indeed oppose - presumably or questionably ( :-) ), manifested through your vote - the actions of U.S. administrations, past and present in their quests for global influence. You may despise the neocons [I am no fan], yet the government and its agencies such as the Fed, owe not a whit of explanation to other governments for pursuing its own interests. One would be living in an indulgent fiction were one to assume that other countries, if in such a position to dominate monetary and economic systems, pass on the opportunity out of pure benevolent intent.

    Turning to the GS, history ought to clarify that it is a pro-cyclical system. Implying that its application deepens ongoing recessions and exacerbates inflationary episodes. Observe what happened to the U.K. during the Great Depression; gold flowed from it to the U.S. where the recession had originally started, and as a result the Bank of England reduced the quantity of Money made available to commercial banks which responded in kind to currency available to the public. Bank failures ensued and U.K's demand side shrunk, continuing the vicious cycle. The Fed which should have increased money supply failed to do so, locking away the gold flowing into its coffers. Abandoning the GS ["freed from the gilded cage" in the words of J.M. Keynes] finally in 1931, led to a resurgence of confidence and business investments followed with the needful.

    I am also hearing that the U.S.' primary reserve status is the outcome of a "fixing". It is decidedly not. One might validly point out that the U.S wastes a fair amount on unnecessary wars, but the charge of reserve status fixing is based entirely on facts not in evidence. Think what gives a currency its reserve status. Its solely based on its ability to service its debt. I am yet to see any meaningful competitive economies that can come close to absorbing the amount of free capital that the U.S. does, or can in the foreseeable future. The $1.2Tr that China holds , is due not so much on account of any actions as a "banker" as it is an unavoidable artifact of its deliberate policy of growing its economy through exports. I should like to belabour this point; the roughly 6.3% of our total debt that China holds, it cannot trivially "sell" in the market place. For if it did so it would have to buy the debt [same as holding currency] of a competitor: Euros, Yen, or even in Renminbi. This would have the effect of increasing the price of Eurobonds or Yen bonds [reduce their interest rates] and depreciate their currencies, causing greater exports for Germany or Japan and its own vis-a-vis the U.S. which would then show up as additional U.S. debt held by these countries! This is indeed what has happened. Mercantile policies of Germany, Japan and China have rendered them captive to selling to the U.S. markets. Its is in the interest of all to move to more balanced economies [such as that of the U.S....surprised? U.S. net exports are only about -2% of national income, and closing its doors to International trade might at the most produce a garden variety recession here - more likely not - but catastrophic ones for its trading partners]. Its not an easy task when a country has been engaged in export addiction [the flip side of U.S. debt Scolds' accusations]. China is in the process of trying precisely that and as a result of it going through a period of great difficulty.

    Coming back to the question of adopting the GS and the closely related issue of reserve currency, it is incumbent on those who advocate it, to tell us what the remedy would be in the event of a future great recession [it will happen, the question is only one of duration and amplitude]. It is not nearly enough to say that a government will issue "what it needs"; for beelzebub, as it is said, lives in the details.

    You are certainly entitled to your opinions; not so much your facts.

    Sam,

    I am shocked.

    I just read through your “tranches” ?

    it is the biggest sack of Neocon sh#t I have ever read .in my life…You have got a lot of nerve..

    .what a total fraud.

    Ok….. lets see where we are…… Sam the Man ?

    Question 1…what is the total cost to date of the ongoing war in Iraq? the “real” cost ?

    Question 2. what was the total cost of our bogus Iraq reconstruction effort?

    Question 3. what was the total cost(just) to build and run our embassy in Iraq?

    Question 4. what was the total cost to treat our wounded service men?

    Question 5. what is the real cost of our entire outlays in Afghanistan since 2001 ?

    Question 6. what is the total cost of homeland security since 2001 ?

    Question 7. what is the total cost to taxpayers of the TSA since its inception ?

    Question 8. what is the total cost to taxpayers of the NSA since 2001?

    Question 9. what was the total cost to taxpayers of the banking fiasco and bailout ?

    What you do..is you take all THESE costs that would never had occurred without the sinister and malicious fraud that created them and add em up….because its where the american taxpayer has been suckered out of all his money over the last fifteen years.

    This is where our “debt” has been created.

    what can I say about your last comment.

    Except its a total sham, Sam.

    A total sham.

    What a heaving crock of sh#t.

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  207. Classic Unz comment section. Just blame the Jews and Israel. The historical and continuing scapegoat.

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    • Replies: @alexander
    Excuse me , Mr Gold,

    But where is it that I care what the ethnicity is, of the defrauders ?

    Who gives a hoot about that...I don't.

    Its the criminal fraud that has been committed which is the issue for me, why is the ethnicity of the culprits, germane ?

    I don't understand ?

    Please explain.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Comments like this does more to harm Jews than you could possibly know. You perpetuate the historical cycle by defending the indefensible and so it will be case of rinse and repeat. I very much doubt that there will be a seat for you at the table anyway and should "victory" be achieved the parasites would then in turn cull most Jews since they would be seen as a threat.

    It really is a moral issue, you support immorality when you think you are winning and cry victimisation when called on it. YOU are not doing world Jewry any favours, chum.

    Before you respond with your anti-semitism whine, my comments here can be seen where I have stated previously that I don't hate Jews at all, there are good and bad amongst all people, but typically it starts with gaining acceptance in another land as an act of charity, progresses to manipulation to gain advantage which leads to overreach and takeover then ends in tears.
  208. @Sam Shama
    Its a tricky task, writing a compact and un-irritating comment on the Gold Standard [GS hereafter], its historic failure, and the indubitable comparative success of the modern monetary system [MMS] as measured by fluctuations of GDP, unemployment rate and other key economic variables during periods of economic stress - typically temporary imbalances resulting from demand deficiency and lack of confidence on account of the employment outlook - or, supply side shocks of the 1970s variety emanating from resource shortages, viz. crude oil.

    [I am sure the preceding unconvoluted paragraph succeeded in satisfying the opening words]

    I am hearing a great deal about the actions of the "Rothschild Fed", the impending collapse of the U.S/Anglophone and European systems and a "takeover" of key reserve currency status and interbank payment systems. What is missing in all of these pronouncements, is an internally consistent set of arguments as to why all of the preceding scenarios ought to arise, leave alone their inevitability. It isn't enough, and indeed unsatisfactory to point to the $19Tr of debt, and attempt to use it as a generic rebuttal against positions to the contrary. In other words, for an argument to have economic force, it must have consistent theory and empirical validity behind it.

    Let's dispatch with a few items related primarily to data and national motivations. As of 1st quarter 2016, the $19 Tr of U.S. debt, the largest tranche is owned by the Social Security trust fund [~$2.8tr]. China owns the largest [$1.23Tr] of the total foreign holdings of $6 Tr. Most of U.S. debt is what we really owe ourselves, classified as intra-governmental holdings of $13.5 Tr or so.

    The large ones in this classification are:


    * Social Security (Social Security Trust Fund and Federal Disability Insurance Trust Fund) - $2.786 trillion

    * Office of Personnel Management Retirement - $873 billion

    * Military Retirement Fund - $601 billion

    * Medicare (Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund, Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Fund) - $267 billion

    * All Other Retirement Funds - $187 billion

    * Cash on Hand to Fund Federal Government Operations - $508 billion.

    (Source: Treasury Bulletin, Monthly Treasury Statement, Table 6. Schedule D-Investments of Federal Government Accounts in Federal Securities)


     

    On national motivations, it is one's right as a citizen to question, indeed oppose - presumably or questionably ( :-) ), manifested through your vote - the actions of U.S. administrations, past and present in their quests for global influence. You may despise the neocons [I am no fan], yet the government and its agencies such as the Fed, owe not a whit of explanation to other governments for pursuing its own interests. One would be living in an indulgent fiction were one to assume that other countries, if in such a position to dominate monetary and economic systems, pass on the opportunity out of pure benevolent intent.

    Turning to the GS, history ought to clarify that it is a pro-cyclical system. Implying that its application deepens ongoing recessions and exacerbates inflationary episodes. Observe what happened to the U.K. during the Great Depression; gold flowed from it to the U.S. where the recession had originally started, and as a result the Bank of England reduced the quantity of Money made available to commercial banks which responded in kind to currency available to the public. Bank failures ensued and U.K's demand side shrunk, continuing the vicious cycle. The Fed which should have increased money supply failed to do so, locking away the gold flowing into its coffers. Abandoning the GS ["freed from the gilded cage" in the words of J.M. Keynes] finally in 1931, led to a resurgence of confidence and business investments followed with the needful.

    I am also hearing that the U.S.' primary reserve status is the outcome of a "fixing". It is decidedly not. One might validly point out that the U.S wastes a fair amount on unnecessary wars, but the charge of reserve status fixing is based entirely on facts not in evidence. Think what gives a currency its reserve status. Its solely based on its ability to service its debt. I am yet to see any meaningful competitive economies that can come close to absorbing the amount of free capital that the U.S. does, or can in the foreseeable future. The $1.2Tr that China holds , is due not so much on account of any actions as a "banker" as it is an unavoidable artifact of its deliberate policy of growing its economy through exports. I should like to belabour this point; the roughly 6.3% of our total debt that China holds, it cannot trivially "sell" in the market place. For if it did so it would have to buy the debt [same as holding currency] of a competitor: Euros, Yen, or even in Renminbi. This would have the effect of increasing the price of Eurobonds or Yen bonds [reduce their interest rates] and depreciate their currencies, causing greater exports for Germany or Japan and its own vis-a-vis the U.S. which would then show up as additional U.S. debt held by these countries! This is indeed what has happened. Mercantile policies of Germany, Japan and China have rendered them captive to selling to the U.S. markets. Its is in the interest of all to move to more balanced economies [such as that of the U.S....surprised? U.S. net exports are only about -2% of national income, and closing its doors to International trade might at the most produce a garden variety recession here - more likely not - but catastrophic ones for its trading partners]. Its not an easy task when a country has been engaged in export addiction [the flip side of U.S. debt Scolds' accusations]. China is in the process of trying precisely that and as a result of it going through a period of great difficulty.

    Coming back to the question of adopting the GS and the closely related issue of reserve currency, it is incumbent on those who advocate it, to tell us what the remedy would be in the event of a future great recession [it will happen, the question is only one of duration and amplitude]. It is not nearly enough to say that a government will issue "what it needs"; for beelzebub, as it is said, lives in the details.

    You are certainly entitled to your opinions; not so much your facts.

    Spot on.

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  209. Sam Shama says:

    What you do..is you take all THESE costs that would never had occurred without the sinister and malicious fraud that created them and add em up..

    Alexander, did you read what I wrote, re: wasteful wars? Of course the money spent on all the above could have been far better deployed on U.S. Infrastucture and other public investments. Where did you find anything I wrote to the contrary?

    Are you disputing the data I provided? Or the implications of the GS? I fail to understand what is causing the conniptions.

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    Sam,

    I couldn't possible take you on in matters of economics but I take it that alexander's point is that nations like China could at any time easily dump their dollars and send the value of it to the floor, thus these military adventures weaken America greatly. Think of the resulting chaos and for what gain?

    Who was it who said war can be the death of a nation and that a wise leader conserves his military strength? I think it was Sun Tsu.
  210. @Wizard of Oz
    "If we don't pay ourselves back what we owe - we lose".

    You assert this as though it was an a priori logical truth, a tautology, instead of what it is: a contingent proposition which may or may not be empirically true. What if the borrower uses the borrowed funds so well that it creates assets with high earning rates into the indefinite future - like building the Brooklyn Bridge or financing the growth of Procter & Gamble 150 years ago? The creditors wouldn't even want the debt to be paid off. They would and do happily allow it to be rolled over.

    Of course your panic is justified because the US government like most governments doesn't invest borrowed money profitably - not like the good old days when navies could help win profitable opium wars or marines open up a country for banana production....

    To paraphrase Winston Churchill, ’tis better for an idiot to remain silent than to express himself and reveal his idiocy. What a windfall you’d get were you to demand a refund on your “education”.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Why paraphrase, especially with a ridiculous archaism, when you could quote if you didn't suffer from extreme mental laziness?hi The cod quote you produce is actually attributed most often to Lincoln - and never to WSC as far as I know - but is generally regarded as without reliable attribution.

    Mind you I wouldn't be bothering with what I see now can't be classified as anything else than stupidity on your part if I weren't lying by the beach in beautiful weather about to enjoy a siesta when the excellent luncheon wine takes hold. It really is stupid to attempt persuasion by your boorish random aggression without reliably sourced facts or logical argument to support your efforts. In case you don't see the distinction I am not trying to persuade people as you are (I don't know why you make your assertions if you aren't trying to persuade people to agree with your perspective and opinions) - I am merely raising doubts and questions which might help people of adequate intellect and honesty think for themselves and avoid polluting this blog with crude nonsense and unsupported exaggeration.

    Do I sound like an intellectual snob? Well I'm afraid I should probably plead guilty when I compare even the dimmest law students I once taught at leading universities to your emissions.

  211. @Sam Shama

    What you do..is you take all THESE costs that would never had occurred without the sinister and malicious fraud that created them and add em up..
     
    Alexander, did you read what I wrote, re: wasteful wars? Of course the money spent on all the above could have been far better deployed on U.S. Infrastucture and other public investments. Where did you find anything I wrote to the contrary?

    Are you disputing the data I provided? Or the implications of the GS? I fail to understand what is causing the conniptions.

    Sam,

    I couldn’t possible take you on in matters of economics but I take it that alexander’s point is that nations like China could at any time easily dump their dollars and send the value of it to the floor, thus these military adventures weaken America greatly. Think of the resulting chaos and for what gain?

    Who was it who said war can be the death of a nation and that a wise leader conserves his military strength? I think it was Sun Tsu.

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    Well Nosy, I couldn't take on almost anybody in economics, but one of the very points that Sam made was that China could NOT "easily dump their dollars".

    Famous economists disagree with each other on all kinds of things, but when Alexander tries to refute Sam's analysis of financial policy by decrying US militarism, he's lost any claim to a cogent argument.
  212. alexander says:
    @Benji Gold
    Classic Unz comment section. Just blame the Jews and Israel. The historical and continuing scapegoat.

    Excuse me , Mr Gold,

    But where is it that I care what the ethnicity is, of the defrauders ?

    Who gives a hoot about that…I don’t.

    Its the criminal fraud that has been committed which is the issue for me, why is the ethnicity of the culprits, germane ?

    I don’t understand ?

    Please explain.

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    • Replies: @Benji Gold
    "But where is it that I care what the ethnicity is, of the defrauders ?

    Who gives a hoot about that…I don’t."

    -You shouldn't. I don't either, which is partially why I'm upset. If a man is truly guilty of a crime, then let him pay for it well and accordingly. My problem with a majority of commenters here is that they believe everything is a goddamn zionist plot, and therefore a jewish conspiracy. Take a stroll through any of the articles published and their respective comment sections. Even the most unrelated issues and problems will be turned on Israel and it's Jews.


    "Its the criminal fraud that has been committed which is the issue for me, why is the ethnicity of the culprits, germane ?"

    If this is truly your belief then I commend you for being one of the few people on Unz who see no relationship between race and crime :). (Slight joke). Just reiterating that it shouldn't be germane. I'm just slightly salty because of reasons mentioned before.
  213. @Sam Shama
    Its a tricky task, writing a compact and un-irritating comment on the Gold Standard [GS hereafter], its historic failure, and the indubitable comparative success of the modern monetary system [MMS] as measured by fluctuations of GDP, unemployment rate and other key economic variables during periods of economic stress - typically temporary imbalances resulting from demand deficiency and lack of confidence on account of the employment outlook - or, supply side shocks of the 1970s variety emanating from resource shortages, viz. crude oil.

    [I am sure the preceding unconvoluted paragraph succeeded in satisfying the opening words]

    I am hearing a great deal about the actions of the "Rothschild Fed", the impending collapse of the U.S/Anglophone and European systems and a "takeover" of key reserve currency status and interbank payment systems. What is missing in all of these pronouncements, is an internally consistent set of arguments as to why all of the preceding scenarios ought to arise, leave alone their inevitability. It isn't enough, and indeed unsatisfactory to point to the $19Tr of debt, and attempt to use it as a generic rebuttal against positions to the contrary. In other words, for an argument to have economic force, it must have consistent theory and empirical validity behind it.

    Let's dispatch with a few items related primarily to data and national motivations. As of 1st quarter 2016, the $19 Tr of U.S. debt, the largest tranche is owned by the Social Security trust fund [~$2.8tr]. China owns the largest [$1.23Tr] of the total foreign holdings of $6 Tr. Most of U.S. debt is what we really owe ourselves, classified as intra-governmental holdings of $13.5 Tr or so.

    The large ones in this classification are:


    * Social Security (Social Security Trust Fund and Federal Disability Insurance Trust Fund) - $2.786 trillion

    * Office of Personnel Management Retirement - $873 billion

    * Military Retirement Fund - $601 billion

    * Medicare (Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund, Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Fund) - $267 billion

    * All Other Retirement Funds - $187 billion

    * Cash on Hand to Fund Federal Government Operations - $508 billion.

    (Source: Treasury Bulletin, Monthly Treasury Statement, Table 6. Schedule D-Investments of Federal Government Accounts in Federal Securities)


     

    On national motivations, it is one's right as a citizen to question, indeed oppose - presumably or questionably ( :-) ), manifested through your vote - the actions of U.S. administrations, past and present in their quests for global influence. You may despise the neocons [I am no fan], yet the government and its agencies such as the Fed, owe not a whit of explanation to other governments for pursuing its own interests. One would be living in an indulgent fiction were one to assume that other countries, if in such a position to dominate monetary and economic systems, pass on the opportunity out of pure benevolent intent.

    Turning to the GS, history ought to clarify that it is a pro-cyclical system. Implying that its application deepens ongoing recessions and exacerbates inflationary episodes. Observe what happened to the U.K. during the Great Depression; gold flowed from it to the U.S. where the recession had originally started, and as a result the Bank of England reduced the quantity of Money made available to commercial banks which responded in kind to currency available to the public. Bank failures ensued and U.K's demand side shrunk, continuing the vicious cycle. The Fed which should have increased money supply failed to do so, locking away the gold flowing into its coffers. Abandoning the GS ["freed from the gilded cage" in the words of J.M. Keynes] finally in 1931, led to a resurgence of confidence and business investments followed with the needful.

    I am also hearing that the U.S.' primary reserve status is the outcome of a "fixing". It is decidedly not. One might validly point out that the U.S wastes a fair amount on unnecessary wars, but the charge of reserve status fixing is based entirely on facts not in evidence. Think what gives a currency its reserve status. Its solely based on its ability to service its debt. I am yet to see any meaningful competitive economies that can come close to absorbing the amount of free capital that the U.S. does, or can in the foreseeable future. The $1.2Tr that China holds , is due not so much on account of any actions as a "banker" as it is an unavoidable artifact of its deliberate policy of growing its economy through exports. I should like to belabour this point; the roughly 6.3% of our total debt that China holds, it cannot trivially "sell" in the market place. For if it did so it would have to buy the debt [same as holding currency] of a competitor: Euros, Yen, or even in Renminbi. This would have the effect of increasing the price of Eurobonds or Yen bonds [reduce their interest rates] and depreciate their currencies, causing greater exports for Germany or Japan and its own vis-a-vis the U.S. which would then show up as additional U.S. debt held by these countries! This is indeed what has happened. Mercantile policies of Germany, Japan and China have rendered them captive to selling to the U.S. markets. Its is in the interest of all to move to more balanced economies [such as that of the U.S....surprised? U.S. net exports are only about -2% of national income, and closing its doors to International trade might at the most produce a garden variety recession here - more likely not - but catastrophic ones for its trading partners]. Its not an easy task when a country has been engaged in export addiction [the flip side of U.S. debt Scolds' accusations]. China is in the process of trying precisely that and as a result of it going through a period of great difficulty.

    Coming back to the question of adopting the GS and the closely related issue of reserve currency, it is incumbent on those who advocate it, to tell us what the remedy would be in the event of a future great recession [it will happen, the question is only one of duration and amplitude]. It is not nearly enough to say that a government will issue "what it needs"; for beelzebub, as it is said, lives in the details.

    You are certainly entitled to your opinions; not so much your facts.

    I do challenge your logic in stating this, “yet the government and its agencies such as the Fed, owe not a whit of explanation to other governments for pursuing its own interests”.

    Starting unprovoked wars against sovereign nations is a war crime and certainly does concern other governments, everywhere. It forces them to expend resources on their defence unnecessarily, thus depriving their own people of their productivity dividend, weakens support globally for the US and if history is anything to go by, it results in the failure of that empire, Rome, France and Great Britain come to mind but there are others as well.

    Those behind all of this are parasites who seek to control the entire world, not just America. At some point the parasite will destroy the host lest it threaten the greater plan. Only the American people can stop this by rooting out these criminals and holding them to account.

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Strike the "its" in "pursuing its own interests" and replace it with "their" in that sentence, which you challenged [I do loathe errors I commit in grammar; a deeply inculcated habit from early years by my masters upon the threat of the lash] :=)

    I should have been more careful regarding the agencies of government I intended to imply in that sentence. I meant exclusively the Fed. My position does not in any fashion, directly or cannily support unprovoked wars. Thus, if arguments were made pro belli, I would reject them without qualification. In another period such as the Colonial, one might have made such a case and defended it entirely, not any longer, in this day and age.

    Note however, The position of the Fed is rather delicate. It is certainly not consulted, let alone made party to, the decision making processes that release the dogs of war. Wars, as the ones we have gone through in recent decades are surely wasteful, and not just in terms of treasure burn't, but indeed more tragic in terms of lives lost.

    There are separations of powers and duties. Whether or not current wars are causal factors in economic weakness [I happen to think they are, but such a conclusion is not axiomatic], when the Fed is faced with such, it is duty-bound to act appropriately, and strive to counteract these episodes. It cannot reject the purchase of Treasury bonds, if faced with deflation, by assuming a moral position that a portion of these bonds are indirectly funding war expenditures. That would visit a gratuitous suffering on the civilian population. As I may have remarked elsewhere, economics is not a morality play. The voting public and its elected servants define the sole provenance of national morality.

    I appreciate your passion and sincere desire to live on an earth free of strife, but I fear it is very much part and parcel of the human DNA; and if their is one thing that nurture should strive to trump nature on, let's not look any further.

    On your previous comment explaining Alexander's objections [no. 216], RobinG graciously points out my response in the original post.

  214. @Benji Gold
    Classic Unz comment section. Just blame the Jews and Israel. The historical and continuing scapegoat.

    Comments like this does more to harm Jews than you could possibly know. You perpetuate the historical cycle by defending the indefensible and so it will be case of rinse and repeat. I very much doubt that there will be a seat for you at the table anyway and should “victory” be achieved the parasites would then in turn cull most Jews since they would be seen as a threat.

    It really is a moral issue, you support immorality when you think you are winning and cry victimisation when called on it. YOU are not doing world Jewry any favours, chum.

    Before you respond with your anti-semitism whine, my comments here can be seen where I have stated previously that I don’t hate Jews at all, there are good and bad amongst all people, but typically it starts with gaining acceptance in another land as an act of charity, progresses to manipulation to gain advantage which leads to overreach and takeover then ends in tears.

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  215. If it really were “pro-democracy,” one might be able to make a case for it on that basis, even if reasoned argument proved it futile to the purpose. But it’s not a pro-democracy agenda at all. That is propaganda as bogus as “The Peoples’ Republic of Dementia.”

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  216. RobinG says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Sam,

    I couldn't possible take you on in matters of economics but I take it that alexander's point is that nations like China could at any time easily dump their dollars and send the value of it to the floor, thus these military adventures weaken America greatly. Think of the resulting chaos and for what gain?

    Who was it who said war can be the death of a nation and that a wise leader conserves his military strength? I think it was Sun Tsu.

    Well Nosy, I couldn’t take on almost anybody in economics, but one of the very points that Sam made was that China could NOT “easily dump their dollars”.

    Famous economists disagree with each other on all kinds of things, but when Alexander tries to refute Sam’s analysis of financial policy by decrying US militarism, he’s lost any claim to a cogent argument.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    I disagree. Sam's point about the dominance of US consumption is based on the the way things happened in the past but not so relevant re the future. The US consumer has pretty much maxed out his credit and ability to pay down debt so the Chinese have been successfully targeting new markets, they also have their own potentially massive domestic market to supply, which is what America used to have. Remember when products used to say Made in the USA?

    It doesn't take a major crisis to destabilise the dollar anyway since Wall St and the FED has already done that. Just turning the dial a couple of degrees would have a big impact. Didn't the mighty Romans debase their currency too? Wasn't it around the same time that they squandered resources on waging wars everywhere? Sounds familiar to me but whatever, it can't go for ever and the dumping of Chinese dollars could be the trigger that motivates other nations to follow suit, America is less popular around the world than it used to be too, I wonder why?
    , @NoseytheDuke
    I sure hope the Wiz never agrees with anything I post, it's hardly an endorsement is it?
    , @alexander
    Actually Robin,

    My point is that post 9-11, there was a clear mandate from the American People to bring the culprits responsible, to justice.

    There was no mandate from the taxpayer to illegally attack, invade and destroy a nation that never attacked us.

    Furthermore, there was an immense amount of fraud used to persuade us to do this.

    This is not just wrong....its evil.

    Whomsoever's bright idea it was to do that, belongs in federal prison....right away.

    Having been fooled into war has cost us all tens of trillions of dollars that we don't even have, Robin.



    I resent Sams " Tranches"...because they act as arbitrary obfuscations of obscene overspending on war fraud and banking fraud.

    any penny of taxpayer money spent on criminal activity is unacceptable.

    ergo, "all" treasure spent on war fraud and banking fraud goes into the "national debt" column tranches first, their being NO legitimacy to the debt these activities created.

    Sam tranches up "social security" in our national debt column, while omitting completely the trillions in expenditures on a heinous war crime.

    As though we should recognize the funds allocated for legal expenditures, as debt, while the funds allocated for illegal expenditures are erased over.


    Not good.

    And I was shocked to see Sam, of all people, do it.
  217. @alexander
    Excuse me , Mr Gold,

    But where is it that I care what the ethnicity is, of the defrauders ?

    Who gives a hoot about that...I don't.

    Its the criminal fraud that has been committed which is the issue for me, why is the ethnicity of the culprits, germane ?

    I don't understand ?

    Please explain.

    “But where is it that I care what the ethnicity is, of the defrauders ?

    Who gives a hoot about that…I don’t.”

    -You shouldn’t. I don’t either, which is partially why I’m upset. If a man is truly guilty of a crime, then let him pay for it well and accordingly. My problem with a majority of commenters here is that they believe everything is a goddamn zionist plot, and therefore a jewish conspiracy. Take a stroll through any of the articles published and their respective comment sections. Even the most unrelated issues and problems will be turned on Israel and it’s Jews.

    “Its the criminal fraud that has been committed which is the issue for me, why is the ethnicity of the culprits, germane ?”

    If this is truly your belief then I commend you for being one of the few people on Unz who see no relationship between race and crime :). (Slight joke). Just reiterating that it shouldn’t be germane. I’m just slightly salty because of reasons mentioned before.

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    You appear to be blind to the fact that Israel flaunts international laws when it suits, rants on about nuclear threats whilst not being a signatory to the Non Proliferation Treaty, arms both sides of conflicts, offers sanctuary for criminals and traitors, spies on the US more than any other nation, sponges off the US taxpayers like no other nation and perpetrates evil and hypocrisy as a matter of course.

    Is this good for world Jewry? I doubt it, but it's OK with you because Israel is pulling it off and here you are again playing the victim card. Cry me a river.
  218. @Ace
    I am not a proponent of the idea that we never lost a battle. Rather, along with Frank Snepp, I think it is clear that U.S. forces effected a military victory overall.

    I posted the link for the benefit of the sizable number of Americans (not necessarily you) who assume the US never lost a battle in Vietnam, when, in fact, they lost quite a few. These are the same people, by the way, who think the US single-handedly defeated the German army, when in fact, the German army was destroyed by Russia on the Eastern Front, long before the US dared land a significant numbers of troops on European soil.

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    • Replies: @Ace
    Thanks. I understand. A strategy can prevail long term but it's indeed sometimes composed of small battles, and we had our share of losing engagements as your list shows. And you are also quite right that the Soviets bore the brunt of the battle against Germany. Some have pointed out that the German forces in Normandy were much diminished in quality and experience from the units on the Eastern Front. A book called The Tigers Are Burning about the battle of Kursk recounted how (a) German regiment(s) were reduced to the size of a platoon by the end of the first day of that battle. As with battles in WWI, I find it chilling to imagine the educated assessments each soldier of their chances of surviving such slaughter. But that was the reality on the Eastern Front for millions for years.
  219. Sam Shama says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    I do challenge your logic in stating this, "yet the government and its agencies such as the Fed, owe not a whit of explanation to other governments for pursuing its own interests".

    Starting unprovoked wars against sovereign nations is a war crime and certainly does concern other governments, everywhere. It forces them to expend resources on their defence unnecessarily, thus depriving their own people of their productivity dividend, weakens support globally for the US and if history is anything to go by, it results in the failure of that empire, Rome, France and Great Britain come to mind but there are others as well.

    Those behind all of this are parasites who seek to control the entire world, not just America. At some point the parasite will destroy the host lest it threaten the greater plan. Only the American people can stop this by rooting out these criminals and holding them to account.

    Strike the “its” in “pursuing its own interests” and replace it with “their” in that sentence, which you challenged [I do loathe errors I commit in grammar; a deeply inculcated habit from early years by my masters upon the threat of the lash] :=)

    I should have been more careful regarding the agencies of government I intended to imply in that sentence. I meant exclusively the Fed. My position does not in any fashion, directly or cannily support unprovoked wars. Thus, if arguments were made pro belli, I would reject them without qualification. In another period such as the Colonial, one might have made such a case and defended it entirely, not any longer, in this day and age.

    Note however, The position of the Fed is rather delicate. It is certainly not consulted, let alone made party to, the decision making processes that release the dogs of war. Wars, as the ones we have gone through in recent decades are surely wasteful, and not just in terms of treasure burn’t, but indeed more tragic in terms of lives lost.

    There are separations of powers and duties. Whether or not current wars are causal factors in economic weakness [I happen to think they are, but such a conclusion is not axiomatic], when the Fed is faced with such, it is duty-bound to act appropriately, and strive to counteract these episodes. It cannot reject the purchase of Treasury bonds, if faced with deflation, by assuming a moral position that a portion of these bonds are indirectly funding war expenditures. That would visit a gratuitous suffering on the civilian population. As I may have remarked elsewhere, economics is not a morality play. The voting public and its elected servants define the sole provenance of national morality.

    I appreciate your passion and sincere desire to live on an earth free of strife, but I fear it is very much part and parcel of the human DNA; and if their is one thing that nurture should strive to trump nature on, let’s not look any further.

    On your previous comment explaining Alexander’s objections [no. 216], RobinG graciously points out my response in the original post.

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    "and if their is one thing that nurture should strive to trump nature on, let’s not look any further".

    There's another error, oh dear. What is the world coming to?

    This thread seems to be about a certain group's war making DNA and the effect it is having on the once great USA. If only common sense were as common as the inflated egos of so called intellectuals, wouldn't that be good for mankind.

    This strife that you refer to is purely confected, America has more than enough wealth and is not at risk of attack. The bellicose war making and the financial frauds that have been perpetrated by the few for greed and control is at great cost to many and there will be a payback, there always is.
  220. @NoseytheDuke
    To paraphrase Winston Churchill, 'tis better for an idiot to remain silent than to express himself and reveal his idiocy. What a windfall you'd get were you to demand a refund on your "education".

    Why paraphrase, especially with a ridiculous archaism, when you could quote if you didn’t suffer from extreme mental laziness?hi The cod quote you produce is actually attributed most often to Lincoln – and never to WSC as far as I know – but is generally regarded as without reliable attribution.

    Mind you I wouldn’t be bothering with what I see now can’t be classified as anything else than stupidity on your part if I weren’t lying by the beach in beautiful weather about to enjoy a siesta when the excellent luncheon wine takes hold. It really is stupid to attempt persuasion by your boorish random aggression without reliably sourced facts or logical argument to support your efforts. In case you don’t see the distinction I am not trying to persuade people as you are (I don’t know why you make your assertions if you aren’t trying to persuade people to agree with your perspective and opinions) – I am merely raising doubts and questions which might help people of adequate intellect and honesty think for themselves and avoid polluting this blog with crude nonsense and unsupported exaggeration.

    Do I sound like an intellectual snob? Well I’m afraid I should probably plead guilty when I compare even the dimmest law students I once taught at leading universities to your emissions.

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    Why not post your CV and diplomas Wiz? Now you're getting desperate, trying to salvage the credibility you've always sought but never had here to my knowledge.

    Piling up mounds of verbiage upon a faulty premise was never going to work anyway but never mind, you tried. Stick to tennis, lunch and your plonk, you'll possibly feel better.

  221. @RobinG
    Well Nosy, I couldn't take on almost anybody in economics, but one of the very points that Sam made was that China could NOT "easily dump their dollars".

    Famous economists disagree with each other on all kinds of things, but when Alexander tries to refute Sam's analysis of financial policy by decrying US militarism, he's lost any claim to a cogent argument.

    I disagree. Sam’s point about the dominance of US consumption is based on the the way things happened in the past but not so relevant re the future. The US consumer has pretty much maxed out his credit and ability to pay down debt so the Chinese have been successfully targeting new markets, they also have their own potentially massive domestic market to supply, which is what America used to have. Remember when products used to say Made in the USA?

    It doesn’t take a major crisis to destabilise the dollar anyway since Wall St and the FED has already done that. Just turning the dial a couple of degrees would have a big impact. Didn’t the mighty Romans debase their currency too? Wasn’t it around the same time that they squandered resources on waging wars everywhere? Sounds familiar to me but whatever, it can’t go for ever and the dumping of Chinese dollars could be the trigger that motivates other nations to follow suit, America is less popular around the world than it used to be too, I wonder why?

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  222. @RobinG
    Well Nosy, I couldn't take on almost anybody in economics, but one of the very points that Sam made was that China could NOT "easily dump their dollars".

    Famous economists disagree with each other on all kinds of things, but when Alexander tries to refute Sam's analysis of financial policy by decrying US militarism, he's lost any claim to a cogent argument.

    I sure hope the Wiz never agrees with anything I post, it’s hardly an endorsement is it?

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  223. @Sam Shama
    Strike the "its" in "pursuing its own interests" and replace it with "their" in that sentence, which you challenged [I do loathe errors I commit in grammar; a deeply inculcated habit from early years by my masters upon the threat of the lash] :=)

    I should have been more careful regarding the agencies of government I intended to imply in that sentence. I meant exclusively the Fed. My position does not in any fashion, directly or cannily support unprovoked wars. Thus, if arguments were made pro belli, I would reject them without qualification. In another period such as the Colonial, one might have made such a case and defended it entirely, not any longer, in this day and age.

    Note however, The position of the Fed is rather delicate. It is certainly not consulted, let alone made party to, the decision making processes that release the dogs of war. Wars, as the ones we have gone through in recent decades are surely wasteful, and not just in terms of treasure burn't, but indeed more tragic in terms of lives lost.

    There are separations of powers and duties. Whether or not current wars are causal factors in economic weakness [I happen to think they are, but such a conclusion is not axiomatic], when the Fed is faced with such, it is duty-bound to act appropriately, and strive to counteract these episodes. It cannot reject the purchase of Treasury bonds, if faced with deflation, by assuming a moral position that a portion of these bonds are indirectly funding war expenditures. That would visit a gratuitous suffering on the civilian population. As I may have remarked elsewhere, economics is not a morality play. The voting public and its elected servants define the sole provenance of national morality.

    I appreciate your passion and sincere desire to live on an earth free of strife, but I fear it is very much part and parcel of the human DNA; and if their is one thing that nurture should strive to trump nature on, let's not look any further.

    On your previous comment explaining Alexander's objections [no. 216], RobinG graciously points out my response in the original post.

    “and if their is one thing that nurture should strive to trump nature on, let’s not look any further”.

    There’s another error, oh dear. What is the world coming to?

    This thread seems to be about a certain group’s war making DNA and the effect it is having on the once great USA. If only common sense were as common as the inflated egos of so called intellectuals, wouldn’t that be good for mankind.

    This strife that you refer to is purely confected, America has more than enough wealth and is not at risk of attack. The bellicose war making and the financial frauds that have been perpetrated by the few for greed and control is at great cost to many and there will be a payback, there always is.

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    Nosy,

    Your comment, :

    "The bellicose war making and the financial frauds that have been perpetrated by the few for greed and control is at great cost to [the] many....."

    ...... hits the nail on the head.

    The question of whether or not there will be "payback" depends a lot upon our next election cycle.

    It seems these "few" have used the enormous wealth their deception has created, to entrench their control by "circling the wagons" around both the power centers in DC, and the very mechanisms of the political process.

    How can their be any accountability for the crimes committed , if every nominee the people can choose from, is already in the back pockets of those who committed the crimes ?

    This underscores the tension of our current election cycle...It is not lost on most of us..that most popular candidates for office are the ones who appear most independent from the oligarchs in the backroom running the show.

  224. @Wizard of Oz
    Why paraphrase, especially with a ridiculous archaism, when you could quote if you didn't suffer from extreme mental laziness?hi The cod quote you produce is actually attributed most often to Lincoln - and never to WSC as far as I know - but is generally regarded as without reliable attribution.

    Mind you I wouldn't be bothering with what I see now can't be classified as anything else than stupidity on your part if I weren't lying by the beach in beautiful weather about to enjoy a siesta when the excellent luncheon wine takes hold. It really is stupid to attempt persuasion by your boorish random aggression without reliably sourced facts or logical argument to support your efforts. In case you don't see the distinction I am not trying to persuade people as you are (I don't know why you make your assertions if you aren't trying to persuade people to agree with your perspective and opinions) - I am merely raising doubts and questions which might help people of adequate intellect and honesty think for themselves and avoid polluting this blog with crude nonsense and unsupported exaggeration.

    Do I sound like an intellectual snob? Well I'm afraid I should probably plead guilty when I compare even the dimmest law students I once taught at leading universities to your emissions.

    Why not post your CV and diplomas Wiz? Now you’re getting desperate, trying to salvage the credibility you’ve always sought but never had here to my knowledge.

    Piling up mounds of verbiage upon a faulty premise was never going to work anyway but never mind, you tried. Stick to tennis, lunch and your plonk, you’ll possibly feel better.

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  225. @Benji Gold
    "But where is it that I care what the ethnicity is, of the defrauders ?

    Who gives a hoot about that…I don’t."

    -You shouldn't. I don't either, which is partially why I'm upset. If a man is truly guilty of a crime, then let him pay for it well and accordingly. My problem with a majority of commenters here is that they believe everything is a goddamn zionist plot, and therefore a jewish conspiracy. Take a stroll through any of the articles published and their respective comment sections. Even the most unrelated issues and problems will be turned on Israel and it's Jews.


    "Its the criminal fraud that has been committed which is the issue for me, why is the ethnicity of the culprits, germane ?"

    If this is truly your belief then I commend you for being one of the few people on Unz who see no relationship between race and crime :). (Slight joke). Just reiterating that it shouldn't be germane. I'm just slightly salty because of reasons mentioned before.

    You appear to be blind to the fact that Israel flaunts international laws when it suits, rants on about nuclear threats whilst not being a signatory to the Non Proliferation Treaty, arms both sides of conflicts, offers sanctuary for criminals and traitors, spies on the US more than any other nation, sponges off the US taxpayers like no other nation and perpetrates evil and hypocrisy as a matter of course.

    Is this good for world Jewry? I doubt it, but it’s OK with you because Israel is pulling it off and here you are again playing the victim card. Cry me a river.

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  226. alexander says:
    @RobinG
    Well Nosy, I couldn't take on almost anybody in economics, but one of the very points that Sam made was that China could NOT "easily dump their dollars".

    Famous economists disagree with each other on all kinds of things, but when Alexander tries to refute Sam's analysis of financial policy by decrying US militarism, he's lost any claim to a cogent argument.

    Actually Robin,

    My point is that post 9-11, there was a clear mandate from the American People to bring the culprits responsible, to justice.

    There was no mandate from the taxpayer to illegally attack, invade and destroy a nation that never attacked us.

    Furthermore, there was an immense amount of fraud used to persuade us to do this.

    This is not just wrong….its evil.

    Whomsoever’s bright idea it was to do that, belongs in federal prison….right away.

    Having been fooled into war has cost us all tens of trillions of dollars that we don’t even have, Robin.

    I resent Sams ” Tranches”…because they act as arbitrary obfuscations of obscene overspending on war fraud and banking fraud.

    any penny of taxpayer money spent on criminal activity is unacceptable.

    ergo, “all” treasure spent on war fraud and banking fraud goes into the “national debt” column tranches first, their being NO legitimacy to the debt these activities created.

    Sam tranches up “social security” in our national debt column, while omitting completely the trillions in expenditures on a heinous war crime.

    As though we should recognize the funds allocated for legal expenditures, as debt, while the funds allocated for illegal expenditures are erased over.

    Not good.

    And I was shocked to see Sam, of all people, do it.

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  227. alexander says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    "and if their is one thing that nurture should strive to trump nature on, let’s not look any further".

    There's another error, oh dear. What is the world coming to?

    This thread seems to be about a certain group's war making DNA and the effect it is having on the once great USA. If only common sense were as common as the inflated egos of so called intellectuals, wouldn't that be good for mankind.

    This strife that you refer to is purely confected, America has more than enough wealth and is not at risk of attack. The bellicose war making and the financial frauds that have been perpetrated by the few for greed and control is at great cost to many and there will be a payback, there always is.

    Nosy,

    Your comment, :

    “The bellicose war making and the financial frauds that have been perpetrated by the few for greed and control is at great cost to [the] many…..”

    …… hits the nail on the head.

    The question of whether or not there will be “payback” depends a lot upon our next election cycle.

    It seems these “few” have used the enormous wealth their deception has created, to entrench their control by “circling the wagons” around both the power centers in DC, and the very mechanisms of the political process.

    How can their be any accountability for the crimes committed , if every nominee the people can choose from, is already in the back pockets of those who committed the crimes ?

    This underscores the tension of our current election cycle…It is not lost on most of us..that most popular candidates for office are the ones who appear most independent from the oligarchs in the backroom running the show.

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  228. Ace says:
    @Carroll Price
    I posted the link for the benefit of the sizable number of Americans (not necessarily you) who assume the US never lost a battle in Vietnam, when, in fact, they lost quite a few. These are the same people, by the way, who think the US single-handedly defeated the German army, when in fact, the German army was destroyed by Russia on the Eastern Front, long before the US dared land a significant numbers of troops on European soil.

    Thanks. I understand. A strategy can prevail long term but it’s indeed sometimes composed of small battles, and we had our share of losing engagements as your list shows. And you are also quite right that the Soviets bore the brunt of the battle against Germany. Some have pointed out that the German forces in Normandy were much diminished in quality and experience from the units on the Eastern Front. A book called The Tigers Are Burning about the battle of Kursk recounted how (a) German regiment(s) were reduced to the size of a platoon by the end of the first day of that battle. As with battles in WWI, I find it chilling to imagine the educated assessments each soldier of their chances of surviving such slaughter. But that was the reality on the Eastern Front for millions for years.

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  229. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @Sam Shama
    Its a tricky task, writing a compact and un-irritating comment on the Gold Standard [GS hereafter], its historic failure, and the indubitable comparative success of the modern monetary system [MMS] as measured by fluctuations of GDP, unemployment rate and other key economic variables during periods of economic stress - typically temporary imbalances resulting from demand deficiency and lack of confidence on account of the employment outlook - or, supply side shocks of the 1970s variety emanating from resource shortages, viz. crude oil.

    [I am sure the preceding unconvoluted paragraph succeeded in satisfying the opening words]

    I am hearing a great deal about the actions of the "Rothschild Fed", the impending collapse of the U.S/Anglophone and European systems and a "takeover" of key reserve currency status and interbank payment systems. What is missing in all of these pronouncements, is an internally consistent set of arguments as to why all of the preceding scenarios ought to arise, leave alone their inevitability. It isn't enough, and indeed unsatisfactory to point to the $19Tr of debt, and attempt to use it as a generic rebuttal against positions to the contrary. In other words, for an argument to have economic force, it must have consistent theory and empirical validity behind it.

    Let's dispatch with a few items related primarily to data and national motivations. As of 1st quarter 2016, the $19 Tr of U.S. debt, the largest tranche is owned by the Social Security trust fund [~$2.8tr]. China owns the largest [$1.23Tr] of the total foreign holdings of $6 Tr. Most of U.S. debt is what we really owe ourselves, classified as intra-governmental holdings of $13.5 Tr or so.

    The large ones in this classification are:


    * Social Security (Social Security Trust Fund and Federal Disability Insurance Trust Fund) - $2.786 trillion

    * Office of Personnel Management Retirement - $873 billion

    * Military Retirement Fund - $601 billion

    * Medicare (Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund, Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Fund) - $267 billion

    * All Other Retirement Funds - $187 billion

    * Cash on Hand to Fund Federal Government Operations - $508 billion.

    (Source: Treasury Bulletin, Monthly Treasury Statement, Table 6. Schedule D-Investments of Federal Government Accounts in Federal Securities)


     

    On national motivations, it is one's right as a citizen to question, indeed oppose - presumably or questionably ( :-) ), manifested through your vote - the actions of U.S. administrations, past and present in their quests for global influence. You may despise the neocons [I am no fan], yet the government and its agencies such as the Fed, owe not a whit of explanation to other governments for pursuing its own interests. One would be living in an indulgent fiction were one to assume that other countries, if in such a position to dominate monetary and economic systems, pass on the opportunity out of pure benevolent intent.

    Turning to the GS, history ought to clarify that it is a pro-cyclical system. Implying that its application deepens ongoing recessions and exacerbates inflationary episodes. Observe what happened to the U.K. during the Great Depression; gold flowed from it to the U.S. where the recession had originally started, and as a result the Bank of England reduced the quantity of Money made available to commercial banks which responded in kind to currency available to the public. Bank failures ensued and U.K's demand side shrunk, continuing the vicious cycle. The Fed which should have increased money supply failed to do so, locking away the gold flowing into its coffers. Abandoning the GS ["freed from the gilded cage" in the words of J.M. Keynes] finally in 1931, led to a resurgence of confidence and business investments followed with the needful.

    I am also hearing that the U.S.' primary reserve status is the outcome of a "fixing". It is decidedly not. One might validly point out that the U.S wastes a fair amount on unnecessary wars, but the charge of reserve status fixing is based entirely on facts not in evidence. Think what gives a currency its reserve status. Its solely based on its ability to service its debt. I am yet to see any meaningful competitive economies that can come close to absorbing the amount of free capital that the U.S. does, or can in the foreseeable future. The $1.2Tr that China holds , is due not so much on account of any actions as a "banker" as it is an unavoidable artifact of its deliberate policy of growing its economy through exports. I should like to belabour this point; the roughly 6.3% of our total debt that China holds, it cannot trivially "sell" in the market place. For if it did so it would have to buy the debt [same as holding currency] of a competitor: Euros, Yen, or even in Renminbi. This would have the effect of increasing the price of Eurobonds or Yen bonds [reduce their interest rates] and depreciate their currencies, causing greater exports for Germany or Japan and its own vis-a-vis the U.S. which would then show up as additional U.S. debt held by these countries! This is indeed what has happened. Mercantile policies of Germany, Japan and China have rendered them captive to selling to the U.S. markets. Its is in the interest of all to move to more balanced economies [such as that of the U.S....surprised? U.S. net exports are only about -2% of national income, and closing its doors to International trade might at the most produce a garden variety recession here - more likely not - but catastrophic ones for its trading partners]. Its not an easy task when a country has been engaged in export addiction [the flip side of U.S. debt Scolds' accusations]. China is in the process of trying precisely that and as a result of it going through a period of great difficulty.

    Coming back to the question of adopting the GS and the closely related issue of reserve currency, it is incumbent on those who advocate it, to tell us what the remedy would be in the event of a future great recession [it will happen, the question is only one of duration and amplitude]. It is not nearly enough to say that a government will issue "what it needs"; for beelzebub, as it is said, lives in the details.

    You are certainly entitled to your opinions; not so much your facts.

    I am hearing a great deal about the actions of the “Rothschild Fed”, the impending collapse of the U.S/Anglophone and European systems and a “takeover” of key reserve currency status and interbank payment systems. What is missing in all of these pronouncements, is an internally consistent set of arguments as to why all of the preceding scenarios ought to arise, leave alone their inevitability. It isn’t enough, and indeed unsatisfactory to point to the $19Tr of debt, and attempt to use it as a generic rebuttal against positions to the contrary. In other words, for an argument to have economic force, it must have consistent theory and empirical validity behind it.

    What is the reason for your quotes around “takeover”, Sam? Do you not believe that their plan is exactly to takeover and install a Global Currency? The bastards brag about it every chance they get.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZVP9aHdlQI

    Do you deny the IMF’s Global Currency Reset? Do you deny that the SDR’s are the vehicle that they will use to bring about a Global Currency?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/new-world-disorder-why-geithners-imf-sdr-plan-for-a-global-currency-is-high-treason-2011-7

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/01/business/international/china-renminbi-reserve-currency.html?_r=0

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-financial-new-world-order-towards-a-global-currency-and-world-government/13070

    Do you deny that the $19Tr of debt is a bubble that is already showing signs of bursting as is evidenced by the massive selling off of US debt by countries? The jig is up and ALL the world knows it BECAUSE of the $19Tr debt except for here in America where there apparently are “privately owned” companies that are buying up the debt to try and keep the ponzi scheme going as long as possible. The key part to any Con-Game(Confidence Game) is the Confidence, and the world has lost it’s confidence in the con-game that is the stability of the dollar.

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/17/news/economy/china-us-debt-dump-central-banks/

    http://www.ibtimes.com/china-brazil-dump-us-debt-latest-signal-global-emerging-market-slowdown-2130987

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-22/u-s-is-hiding-treasury-bond-data-that-s-suddenly-become-crucial

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/19/investing/saudi-arabia-threat-dump-us-assets-911-bill/

    In regards to whether or not going back to the Gold Standard is the solution, I don’t know. Although it seems evident that China believes that this is the correct course of action from all their current attempts to hoard as much gold as possible. I do however know that an audit of the FED is the first step that must be taken in any solution.

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    What is the reason for your quotes around “takeover”, Sam? Do you not believe that their plan is exactly to takeover and install a Global Currency? The bastards brag about it every chance they get.
     
    "Belief" is not the word I should employ in this context. Separating value judgements regarding the installation of a single global currency, one might observe that the evidence does not point to such. More so today, now that the Euro project faces dire tests, it is evident that in order to have a successful single currency, a single fiscal authority, a central legal framework for commercial finance, public finance and banking are key requirements. None of which are on the cards.

    Do you deny that the $19Tr of debt is a bubble that is already showing signs of bursting as is evidenced by the massive selling off of US debt by countries? The jig is up and ALL the world knows it BECAUSE of the $19Tr debt except for here in America where there apparently are “privately owned” companies that are buying up the debt to try and keep the ponzi scheme going as long as possible. The key part to any Con-Game(Confidence Game) is the Confidence, and the world has lost it’s confidence in the con-game that is the stability of the dollar.
     
    I do deny it your Honour [:-) ]. Firstly, there was no massive selling, if one were to take a measure of the total market for U.S. Treasuries. A few hundred billion in a market for tens of trillions is quite fine as evidenced by further rises in bond prices. Secondly and more importantly, all of the sovereign selling you referenced, were due entirely on the budgetary needs of countries such as Saudi, Brazil, etc, facing revenue declines related to falls in commodity prices. So therefore, the Primary Reserve Currency, which the dollar is, behaved precisely as a reserve ought to: providing relief when it is needed.

    In regards to whether or not going back to the Gold Standard is the solution, I don’t know. Although it seems evident that China believes that this is the correct course of action from all their current attempts to hoard as much gold as possible. I do however know that an audit of the FED is the first step that must be taken in any solution.
     
    I cannot meaningfully comment on the subject of a Fed audit, it's balance sheet, being literally an open book as it were. Candidly, I think they ought to "allow" it, if only to pacify frayed tempers; the caution transmitted by the Fed, has more to do with the possibility of a dysfunctional congress attempting de facto monetary policy and making a hash of it.

    Gold is a yellow metal that produces no income, and indeed has significant storage costs. Yet it has a strong affinity etched in the human consciousness. Under the gold standard, financial panics were rare, except in: 1873, 1884, 1890, 1893, 1907, 1930, 1931, 1932, and 1933. :-)

    Humour aside, I strive to think and write with an open mind. All analysis to be fair, starts from a question on which we consciously or sub-consciously entertain a bias. Mine happens to be on the issue of the best form of governance [more on this at a later date]. Not to be preachy, but it is important for one to approach any subject matter, without being guided by what one wants the truth to be, or what one believes would be good for others to hold credence for.

    [In that vein, I have been re-thinking my position on the gold standard vs. fiat money. Is it possible to have a hybrid? There might be, and it reduces essentially to establishing bounds for parity between gold and major currencies. More later.....]

    As you must have surely noticed in the preceding conversations, alexander and NosytheDuke, both sterling individuals I am sure, took passionate stands against U.S. Imperialism [and in passing, insulted WoO for simply holding contrary views. Well, I have been the recipient of mud in the past, and consider it par for the course commenting here at the UR] ; a matter on which it is frightfully simple to despise this country's actions. I do as well detest the costly wars. Yet it is quite another matter to wilfully deny the composition of U.S. treasury holdings, [ the word "tranche' must have been a micro-aggression trigger I set off; I can't explain it otherwise].

  230. @Diversity Heretic
    Since the U.S. has a Department of Homeland Security, the Department of "Defense" should be renamed the Department of Extraterritorial Aggression, or perhaps the Department of Empire Maintenance and Expansion.

    Department of War works for me and defense contractors are “weapons” contractors. The U.S. military is a caldron of militarism hidden behind the political ideologue of neoconservatism.

    The American people’s conscience must be shaken awake to see through the veil of false threats to further the Pentagon’s agenda of being on a constant war footing which drains the U.S. Treasury of funds desperately needed to shore up the basic infrastructure of the country.

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    Speaking of being "shaken awake to see through the veil of false threats",have you had an opportunity to read Rebecca Gordon's latest expose' for Tomsdispatch:

    "The Al -Qaeda leader who wasn't: The shameful ordeal of Abu Zubaydah".

    In a nutshell, the guy that every Neocon and his uncle, defrauded us into believing was the number two(or three) mastermind of 9-11, turned out not only to NOT be involved , at all, in this horrific attack on our soil, ....he was not even a member of Al-Qaeda.

    And to think, at the time, I was "cheering" when they caught him .


    If this story does not pull back the curtain on the "Fatuousness of evil" that is the hallmark of our Neocon stewardship , nothing else does.

    All told (?), 81 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent designing, preparing , and nurturing a system of illegal psychological debasement and torture ....so that it could be administered, quite sadistically,to ......"the guy that never attacked us".

    Yes,

    almost one hundred mil, in "simulated drowning", "eyeball gouging (?)" , "wall slamming" ,and "crating"...."the wrong guy".

    Talk about getting the facts "wrong".

    Welcome to "Neocon America",

    Where draining our coffers, illegally torturing the guy who didn't do it.....as well as illegally invading and destroying an entire country that never attacked us..are their "highest" priorities.

    What a train wreck .

    What a "19 trillion" national debt...train .....wreck.
  231. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    I sure hope the Wiz never agrees with anything I post, it's hardly an endorsement is it?

    Hilarious :)

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  232. Sam Shama says:
    @Junior

    I am hearing a great deal about the actions of the “Rothschild Fed”, the impending collapse of the U.S/Anglophone and European systems and a “takeover” of key reserve currency status and interbank payment systems. What is missing in all of these pronouncements, is an internally consistent set of arguments as to why all of the preceding scenarios ought to arise, leave alone their inevitability. It isn’t enough, and indeed unsatisfactory to point to the $19Tr of debt, and attempt to use it as a generic rebuttal against positions to the contrary. In other words, for an argument to have economic force, it must have consistent theory and empirical validity behind it.
     
    What is the reason for your quotes around "takeover", Sam? Do you not believe that their plan is exactly to takeover and install a Global Currency? The bastards brag about it every chance they get.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZVP9aHdlQI

    Do you deny the IMF's Global Currency Reset? Do you deny that the SDR's are the vehicle that they will use to bring about a Global Currency?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/new-world-disorder-why-geithners-imf-sdr-plan-for-a-global-currency-is-high-treason-2011-7

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/01/business/international/china-renminbi-reserve-currency.html?_r=0

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-financial-new-world-order-towards-a-global-currency-and-world-government/13070

    Do you deny that the $19Tr of debt is a bubble that is already showing signs of bursting as is evidenced by the massive selling off of US debt by countries? The jig is up and ALL the world knows it BECAUSE of the $19Tr debt except for here in America where there apparently are "privately owned" companies that are buying up the debt to try and keep the ponzi scheme going as long as possible. The key part to any Con-Game(Confidence Game) is the Confidence, and the world has lost it's confidence in the con-game that is the stability of the dollar.

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/17/news/economy/china-us-debt-dump-central-banks/

    http://www.ibtimes.com/china-brazil-dump-us-debt-latest-signal-global-emerging-market-slowdown-2130987

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-22/u-s-is-hiding-treasury-bond-data-that-s-suddenly-become-crucial

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/19/investing/saudi-arabia-threat-dump-us-assets-911-bill/

    In regards to whether or not going back to the Gold Standard is the solution, I don't know. Although it seems evident that China believes that this is the correct course of action from all their current attempts to hoard as much gold as possible. I do however know that an audit of the FED is the first step that must be taken in any solution.