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Liberty Commemoration 2015

Yesterday I attended a commemoration service at the USS Liberty memorial in Arlington National Cemetery. Present were a number of surviving crewmembers as well as veterans like myself and other Americans who are committed to ensuring that the story of the Liberty will not die in hopes that someday the United States government will have the courage to acknowledge what actually happened on that fateful day.

But in truth the attack on the USS Liberty by Israeli warplanes and torpedo boats on June 8, 1967, has almost faded from memory, with a younger generation completely unaware that a United States naval vessel was once deliberately attacked and nearly sunk by America’s “greatest friend and ally” Israel. The attack was followed by a cover-up that demonstrated clearly that at least one president of the United States even back nearly fifty years ago valued his relationship with the state of Israel above his loyalty to his own country.

It was in truth the worst attack ever carried out on a US Naval vessel in peace time. Thirty-four American sailors, marines and civilian personnel were killed and 171 more wounded in the two hour assault, which was clearly intended to destroy the intelligence gathering vessel operating in international waters collecting information on the ongoing Six Day War between Israel and its Arab neighbors. The Israelis, whose planes had their Star of David markings covered up so Egypt could be blamed, attacked the ship repeatedly from the air and using gunboats from the sea. The incredible courage and determination of the surviving crew was the only thing that kept the Liberty from sinking.

The Israelis and their political and media supporters in the United States have always claimed the attack was a tragic mistake while many of the Liberty crew have indicated their firm belief that it was anything but, that the vessel was flying an oversized American flag and was clearly and easily identifiable as a US Navy vessel. The ship’s commanding officer Captain William McGonagle was awarded a Congressional Medal of Honor for his heroic role in keeping the ship afloat, though President Lyndon Baines Johnson broke with tradition and refused to hold the medal ceremony in the White House, also declining to award it personally, delegating that task to the Secretary of the Navy in an unpublicized presentation made at the Washington Navy Yard. The additional medals given to other crew members in the aftermath of the attack made the USS Liberty the most decorated ship in the history of the United States Navy.

The Liberty crew was sworn to secrecy over the incident and a hastily convened and conducted court of inquiry headed by Admiral John McCain acted under orders from Washington to declare the attack a case of mistaken identity. The inquiry’s senior legal counsel Captain Ward Boston, who subsequently declared the attack to be a “deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew,” also described how “President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered him to conclude that the attack was a case of ‘mistaken identity’ despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.” The court’s findings were rewritten and sections relating to Israeli war crimes, to include the machine gunning of life rafts, were excised. Following in his father’s footsteps, Senator John McCain of Arizona has used his position on the Senate Armed Services Committee to effectively block any reconvening of a board of inquiry to reexamine the evidence. Most of the documents relating to the Liberty incident have never been released to the public in spite of the 48 years that have passed since the attack took place.

One has to hope that both Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara are now burning in hell as a consequence of their treason. To those who might object that even LBJ could not have sunk so low as to allow an American warship to be attacked it should be observed that his refusal to allow air cover, otherwise inexplicable, almost certainly means that the situation was being carefully managed to produce a “correct” outcome, exonerating Israel from any blame. One might profitably recall that Lyndon Johnson was possibly the most pro-Israel president in American history, tilting heavily towards the Jewish state on foreign policy issues starting with his time as a congressman all the way through his years in the White House. When he was president he declared that the United States had a de facto “strategic alliance” with Israel, possibly the first admission that there was developing what is now defined as a “special relationship” that subordinates Washington’s actual interests to those of Tel Aviv.

Back in the 1960’s, before exposure of the lies underpinning the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution that escalated the war in Vietnam, Americans generally trusted their government. But the George W. Bush administration’s deception about Iraq followed by WikiLeaks and the Snowden revelations have demonstrated that the United States has a secret government that operates with little in the way of transparency or restraint. Unfortunately, it has had that kind of government for a long time and the fate of the USS Liberty is undoubtedly a manifestation of how the White House and Defense Department actually colluded in the deaths of American servicemen and then engaged in a cover up to conceal what it had done, all to protect Israel.

For the USS Liberty it is past time to open the windows and introduce a breath of fresh air. Lyndon B. Johnson is gone and so is his Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, conspirators who deliberately left the USS Liberty to its fate. But there are many Liberty survivors who are still looking for answers and it is time to provide what they need and give them peace. It is not too late to convene a panel of inquiry and to release the Defense Department papers relating to the Israeli attack. It is not too late to have Congress declare June 8th “Remember the USS Liberty Day.”

Above all, what happened to the Liberty should serve as a lesson for all those who believe that the persistent pandering to Israel by America’s political class really doesn’t matter, that it is all political theater and that everyone has to do it. They are wrong as the USS Liberty incident reveals that there is a price to be paid in blood when one accommodates a rogue state like Israel.

The philosopher David Hume observed that “Nothing appears more surprising to those who consider human affairs with a philosophical eye, than the easiness with which the many are governed by the few.” The facility with which the Israel Lobby manipulates our political system, up to the level of a highly corrupt President like LBJ, on behalf of a tiny state with values that most Americans would find abhorrent, never ceases to amaze. In remembering the Liberty we must also call for an end to the ability of a war criminal like Benjamin Netanyahu to come to our Congress and not only tell us what to do but also be greeted by 23 standing ovations. If our elected officials truly love our country they must have the courage to say “no” the next time Netanyahu comes around. And they must deliver both recognition and justice to the USS Liberty survivors now, today.

 
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  1. It’s past time that all the lies of the past be confronted and acknowledged, so that those in leadership today can be made aware there will be consequences for telling lies to the American public today. It’s the only way to reverse the slide into secret, unaccountable, even illegal government, whose decisions and policies are increasingly opaque to any public oversight at all, and which are maintained through deception.

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  2. Part of LBJ’s attitude was probably predicated on the fact that the “Jewish vote” was a critically important part of the Democratic coalition, and he probably wanted to run for re-election at that time. Even if he’d already decided against running, he’d devoted his life to the Democratic Party, and forcing the USS Liberty incident into the open would have likely blown the party apart, with pro- and anti-Israeli factions forming.

    The Republicans might have done something, but were badly derailed by Vietnam and then Watergate, and by the time Reagan came along, the party had sold its souls to the evangelical Christian vote, and if anything, evangelical Christians are more pro-Israel than many Israelis. Ironically enough, Reagan would have likely won even if he had done nothing to court the evangelicals, thanks to the Iran hostage crisis and Jimmy Carter’s talent for self-destruction. But by that time, he’d signed on their dotted line, and didn’t want to drive a bunch of new Republican voters (evangelicals, before this, had tended to be hereditary Democrats) back into the Democrats’ arms.

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  3. Pres Johnson sold out the US Navy and covered for the Jews.

    Ho hmm’ – just another stupid Texan with a star of david tattooed on his a$$.

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  4. I stand second to no one in my desire to see the Rogue State brought to occasional justice, but the Liberty incident has been milked for all it’s worth for too long. Continuing to do so negatively affects ones credibility.

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  5. LBJ’s hands were plenty bloody already, astonishing someone with his background could become President. Coming so soon after JFK, which LBJ was at best a passive participant in, I am not surprised he was so keen to keep the Liberty attack covered up.

    Afraid this has already disappeared down the memory hole though.

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  6. demonstrated that the United States has a secret government that operates with little in the way of transparency or restraint

    You could have named some more recent or contemporary major players, for instance George H.W. Bush, Robert Gates, and not least, John Roberts. And the fact the CIA operations division in partnership with MOSSAD (both integrated to major organized crime) has been the number one fundraiser for the USA’s ‘men behind the curtain’ dealing in everything from black market oil trades to much (most?) of this world’s illicit international arms and narcotics trafficking.

    And wasn’t there a ship’s crew went missing altogether, following a clandestine arms shipment to Iran? Should there be a bit of ‘remember’ ceremony for those folk?

    It’s true Phil, Bibi is one of the world’s most accomplished international criminals but he’s in a league with persons every bit as corrupted and accomplished operating right here at home:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/02/24/profits-of-war/

    ^ Ari Ben Menache’s revelations are still quite relevant today; from eye-witness account of George H.W. Bush at the ‘Paris Meeting’ with the Ayatollahs’ representatives, to hand delivering millions in ‘suitcase cash’ to accounts where Robert Gates personally met him at customs, to escort the money through (sans screening or declaration.)

    I rather prefer the quote of another philosopher:

    “It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so express it, that mental lying has produced in society. When a man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime” -Thomas Paine

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  7. LBJ should have glassed the place.
    The world would be a much better place if he had.

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  8. Day Israel Attacked America (USS Liberty):

    http://america-hijacked.com/2014/10/30/the-day-israel-attacked-america/

    Reports: Israel made & exploded bombs laced with nuclear materials (mentioned 47th anniversary of USS Liberty attack):

    Haaretz exclusive: Israel tested ‘dirty-bomb cleanup’ in the desert:

    Series of tests in conjunction with four-year project at Dimona nuclear reactor measured damage and other implications of detonation of radiological weapon by hostile forces.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.660067

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  9. The Jewish community opposed the Viet Nam war and led opposition to it.

    LBJ traded his silence on the Liberty incident for Jewish silence on the Viet Nam war.

    A lose-lose solution, as is any arrangement where lies are the heart of the bargain.

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  10. In the fine “Operation Cyanide”, Peter Hounam notes that America’s nuclear bombers were activated just before the attack (w/ interview w/ AF pax who were running them); the US was covertly and overtly offering support to the Israelis during the War (confirmed via interviews w/ AF pax who were in the Sinai working comms equipment) and strongly infers the attack on the USS Liberty was something the US asked the Israelis to take do for us so we would have an excuse to enter the war against the Russians & Egyptians.

    Highly recommended reading, and it correctly puts the Lord-Vassal relationship into proper perspective.

    Imagine the leverage information like that would give a country over the United States, especially if the bombing run FAILS. It might lead to blackmail payments of something less than a nominal amount, maybe $3Bn a year.

    LBJ & McNamara can rot in hell.

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  11. Since the Southern Poverty Law Center is the Gestapo of the Democratic Party…I think it is about time to ask the following questions:

    1)What is the ethnic profile of the SPLC staff?

    2)What is the ethnic profile of the SPLC Board?

    3)What is the ethnic profile of SPLC $$$$$$$$$ donors?

    If 1-3 returns the answer Jewish….then, we can reasonably conclude: strong…positive feelings towards Israel-expressed in terms of $$$$$$$$ support for the SPLC….And from this, we can reasonably conclude that the SPLC Staff…Management-Board, and Donors supported the attack on the USS Liberty.

    It’s all about links these days:The SPLC is a notorious Jewish Terrorist Organization.

    If I were vdare.com, this is how I would go after the SPLC.

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  12. All too many fake conservatives want to bury the memory of the USS Liberty. They will go on and on about Benghazi but recoil like vampires confronted with a Cross from anything to do with the Liberty. I have had them tell me that the USS Liberty got what she deserved since she was “an armed spy ship in a war zone”. Their support of the military only goes until it meets up with their bending over for Israel. Then the US military is just another victim of collateral damage.

    Continuing to do so negatively affects ones credibility.

    Not continuing to bring this travesty to the attention of the American people destroys one’s credibility.

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  13. The Jewish Vote is one thing but, I think, a minor factor. Even then, oligarchs existed who carefully selected those for whom we could vote. I suggest that then, as now, no candidate for high office could stand for whom there did not exist a past indiscretion, secretly documented, which, if necessary, would be used to keep him or her in line.

    Campaign funding is universally cited as the principle corrupting factor but I submit, without the benefit of proof, that the behavior of our leaders suggests that the above is a greater influence.

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  14. @technomad

    The “Jewish vote” is irrelevant as Jews make up a very small % of the population. It is Jewish money (and consequent influence) that matters, and this is in far excess of population %.

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  15. In a 1955 book, Foreign Policy and Party Politics, by Dick Cheney’s favorite professor at Yale, H. Bradford Westerfield explained that zionists and Jews had become as powerful as they had in determining national election outcomes because they controlled key states with large electoral college numbers in winner-take-all situations. If Jews can garner the majority of votes in New York, Florida, California, Ohio and a few others, the presidency, and thereby Supreme Court, can swing their way.

    Jewish organizational strength uses the same principle as Jewish financial power: it’s based on leveraging a small population or small investment to make decisions with- and profits on- other people’s votes and money.

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  16. PS: Meant to write 48th anniversary (not 47th) in prior comment!

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  17. SPLC…The USS Liberty

    ADL…The USS Liberty

    AIPAC….The USS Liberty

    Joe Lieberman…The USS Liberty

    Chuck Schummer….The USS Liberty

    More Links!!!!….More Cowbell!!!

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  18. The “leadership” at large had prostrated before Netanyahu on his last triumphal visit on the Hill. The first steps could be very simple: asking the individual “leaders” to meet with the survivors of USSLiberty, on air.

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  19. What do you mean “the Liberty incident has been milked for all it’s worth for too long?”
    The above article stated the fact: “Liberty incident have never been released to the public in spite of the 48 years that have passed since the attack took place.”

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  20. Abe Foxman….REMEMBER THE USS LIBERTY!!!!!

    The Duggar Family…..REMEMBER THE USS LIBERY!!!!!

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  21. You’re American–do you support the invasion of Ukraine? How about American support for Israel–are you in favor of that? Promotion of gay rights around the world? I’m sure you’re really in favor of that. ;)

    Just because you like a country doesn’t mean you support everything they do.

    Of course, I’ve never seen any Jewish group criticize the Liberty attack, unlike, say, Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, where there are multiple groups devoted to this topic. Most likely the liberals aren’t interested in military stuff and the neocons don’t want to criticize Israel.

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  22. With all the comments and history here, one thing I’ve _never_ seen is any credible reason why Israel would attack a US spy ship. (No, I’m NOT going to play nicey nice and use the “intelligence” label).
    This is the first time I’ve ever seen any answer – namely they Israeli’s were hoping the US would believe it was an Egyptian attack – but that’s so off the wall it ranks up there with OJ Simpson and the faked Mars landing.
    Anyone (and I’m asking seriously) have any plausible explanation why Israel would do so? Thanks

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  24. I’m a Native Born White American Racial Patriot Anarcho-Syndicalist anti-war-0 allegiance to the Jewish State of Israel,China,India,Pakistan…and the rest of them…..hardcore-zenophobe.

    Mark Potok(SPLC Blattaria)…REMEMBER THE USS LIBERTY!!!!

    God Bless Samuel Gompers and Dennis Kearney for the Wonderfull Chinese Exclusion Act(Yes, I know both Sam and Dennis were foriegners.)

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  25. “Forty-eight years is too long to wait for justice”

    You better get use to it….it will never be revealed.

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  26. “It’s past time that all the lies of the past be confronted and acknowledged, so that those in leadership today can be made aware there will be consequences for telling lies to the American public today.”

    How do you propose to make that happen?

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  27. “Part of LBJ’s attitude was probably predicated on the fact that the “Jewish vote” was a critically important part of the Democratic coalition, and he probably wanted to run for re-election at that time. Even if he’d already decided against running, he’d devoted his life to the Democratic Party, and forcing the USS Liberty incident into the open would have likely blown the party apart, with pro- and anti-Israeli factions forming.”

    Once again exposing the corruption of democracy.

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  28. “LBJ’s hands were plenty bloody already, astonishing someone with his background could become President.”

    You’re kidding….right?

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  29. LBJ was most likely the architect of the JFK assassination and the subsequent cover up. It’s not far fetched to imagine that such a man could also have covered up the Liberty incident.

    By the way, Mr. Giraldi, what do you think of the allegations against Congressman Hastert? You interviewed Sibel Edmonds a number of years back. During the interview, she made allegations about Hastert being involved in a Turkish spying ring and receiving bribes. So perhaps you have some perspective or information to add to this.

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  30. Whites vastly outnumber Jews in this country. The fact that whites allow so much power to be wielded by Jews is a testament to white stupidity.

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  31. Excellent question indeed. There are no rational answers. It was a tragic mistake pure and simple, but those who believe otherwise, an open mind would simply introduce unnecessary wisdom.

    I have dealt with this issue recently:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/david-brooks-explains-it-all-2/#comment-964401

    wait for the collective howl, soon to follow!

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  32. “The “Jewish vote” is irrelevant as Jews make up a very small % of the population. It is Jewish money (and consequent influence) that matters, and this is in far excess of population %.”

    And the 12 to 15 point average IQ the Ashkenazim have over average white IQ is overpowering…..evidently

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  33. “You’re American–do you support the invasion of Ukraine?”

    You’re watching too much Fox News….learn to think for yourself.

    “How about American support for Israel–are you in favor of that?”

    Why is that a good thing? Again too much Fox News.

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  34. Historian Donald Neff takes the supposition a step further, presenting it as fact:

    If the ship could listen in on Israeli military communications, as it could, then the United States could discover Israel’s plans to attack Syria. Foreknowledge of the attack might bring an ultimatum from the United States, an ultimatum that could not be ignored because Israel desperately still needed Washington’s support both in the United Nations and to fend off any threats from the Soviet Union. Without the United States, the Soviet Union might directly intervene if Israel took on its last, comparatively unscathed, client, Syria.

    Indeed, Neff goes so far as to posit that Israel actually delayed its attack on Syria until after the Liberty was neutralized.46

    The theory that the attack on the Liberty was motivated by a desire to conceal the impending Israeli attack on the Golan Heights is not, then, confined to the extremist fringe, but has made headway in important political and academic circles. In the past, refuting it was dependent largely on appeals to common sense, such as that made by Ernest Castle, the former U.S. naval attaché, in an interview with British television:

    Let us presume the Israeli high command was… fearful that the United States would learn of what was an evident Israeli plan to take the Golan, or any other plan on the part of the Israelis. Would they say, “my golly, that will irritate the United States, our great friend. We’d better not… let that happen – so let’s sink their ship instead”?47

    Common sense would also dictate that the Israelis, in the process of handily defeating three Arab armies, could have easily sunk a single, lightly armed ship if they had wanted to. In such a case, they would not have attacked the Liberty in broad daylight with clearly marked boats and planes – submarines could have done the job – nor would they have ultimately halted their fire and offered the ship assistance.

    But it is no longer necessary to decide the argument on the basis of common sense alone. Like the other claims for Israel’s alleged motive in attacking the Liberty, the one linking the assault to the Golan Heights campaign cannot withstand the scrutiny of the newly declassified documents

    Read more at: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/liberty1.html

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  35. http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/investigates-attacked-america

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  36. There has been some speculation that the terrorists in Tel Aviv thought the Liberty had collected evidence of Israeli war crimes, executing Egyptian POWs.

    “Intelligence” is the correct way to describe the Liberty. It was not a Soviet “fishing boat”. It was clearly a US naval vessel flying the US flag. There was no attempt to hide what it was.

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  37. I have heard on a youtube video about the USS Liberty that Israel did not want the US to know about, in real time, their taking of the Golan Heights and the massacre of 400-500 Egyptian prisoners of war.

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  38. For once I agree with the main thrust of your article, Mr. Giraldi. The whole truth needs to be made public, and justice should be meted out according to the truth.

    But the first rule of persuasive writing is to stick to the subject. Pressing the Liberty affair into the service of antipathy toward Mr. Netanyahu decreases the likelihood of getting justice.

    Peace, love, truth,

    The Grate Deign

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  39. A characteristically courageous, hard-hitting and much-needed article by Philip Giraldi. It was very interesting to learn that “Senator John McCain of Arizona has used his position on the Senate Armed Services Committee to effectively block any reconvening of a board of inquiry to reexamine the evidence.” And I thought that that worthless man already had enough sins on his soul to rival even Lyndon Johnson.

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  40. Article on LBJ:

    http://mackwhite.com/lbj.html

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  41. See #10. We put them up to it, they f**ked up by not sinking the ship…which ultimately gave them a tremendous amount of leverage over us…because what psychos would false flag their own asset?

    Yeah, LBJ would.

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  42. ANTI-SEMITE!!!

    Mentioning the Liberty is immoral. It leads to ANTI-SEMITISM!!!, which leads to 6 million dead Jews.

    Forgetting the Liberty is The Right Thing To Do. Remembering the Liberty = killing 6 million Jews.

    All too many fake conservatives want to bury the memory of the USS Liberty. They will go on and on about Benghazi but recoil like vampires confronted with a Cross from anything to do with the Liberty. I have had them tell me that the USS Liberty got what she deserved since she was “an armed spy ship in a war zone”.

    A lot of “American” “conservatives” seem rather traitorous on the topic of Israel.

    What do you mean “the Liberty incident has been milked for all it’s worth for too long?”

    He means he’s loyal to Jewry & Israel first, and America second. I never even heard of the Liberty until I started frequenting ANTI-SEMITIC!!! web sites.

    Whites vastly outnumber Jews in this country. The fact that whites allow so much power to be wielded by Jews is a testament to white stupidity.

    Let stupid = “not ANTI-SEMITIC!!!” and that’s true.

    And the imaginary 12 to 15 point average IQ the Ashkenazim have over average white IQ is overpowering…..evidently

    FIFY.

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  43. That Israeli killing of Egyptian POWs was kept quiet for decades. It was actually publicized by _Israeli_ media about five years ago (which is probably more like ten or fifteen by now… have you run into that syndrome?), and then picked up by the Egyptians.
    The general attitude was one of an “oh, shit, that was bad, but hell, it was war and there wasn’t much choice. But still it was bad”. And then some shaking of heads. Both on the Israeli and on the Egyptian sides…

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  44. And yet they did. While it was flying the American flag. An Israeli pilot even asked for confirmation.

    The attempt to have the US blame the Egyptians has long been explored and indeed, is not so hard to conceive of in and of itself.

    Spy = intelligence, nothing more. Besides, Israel does far worse spying against the US

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  45. Traitorous “American” “Conservatives” (or maybe just Jews) say America forced the Jews to attack the Liberty.

    Lulz. Never underestimate how stupid Jews think humans are. Explains a lot of their problems dealing with humanity.

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  46. Yeah. As if not being able to pin down the motive means that they didn’t know they were attacking a US ship:

    From Proceedings Magazine:US Naval Institute of June 2003:

    http://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2003-06/friendless-fire

    The jamming of unique U.S. frequencies during the Liberty incident seems to establish deliberate intent. And in exclusive interviews with this author, several former high-level National Security Agency (NSA) officials agree.

    On 14 February 2003, the “godfather” of the NSA’s Auxiliary General Technical Research program, Oliver Kirby, noted that the Liberty was “my baby.” Within weeks of the calamity, Kirby, deputy director for operations/production, read U.S. signals intelligence (SigInt)-generated transcripts and “staff reports” at NSA’s Fort Meade, Maryland, headquarters. They were of Israeli pilots’ conversations, recorded during the attack. The intercepts made it “absolutely certain” they knew it was a U.S. ship, he said. Kirby’s is the first public disclosure by a top-level NSA senior of deliberate intent based on personal analyses of SigInt material.
    In an interview on 24 February 2003, retired Air Force Major General John Morrison, the agency’s then-second-in-command (and Kirby’s successor), said he had been informed at the time of Kirby’s findings and endorsed them. Former NSA Director retired Army Lieutenant General William Odom said on 3 March 2003 that, on the strength of such data, the attack’s deliberateness “just wasn’t a disputed issue” within the agency. On 5 March 2003, retired Navy Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, NSA director from 1977-1981, said he “flatly rejected” the Cristol/Israeli thesis. “It is just exceedingly difficult to believe that [the Liberty] was not correctly identified.” He said this was based on his talks with NSA seniors at the time having direct knowledge. All four were unaware of any agency official at that time or later who dissented from the “deliberate” conclusion.

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  47. This is yet another fine commentary by Philip Giraldi. He’s right on target. The USS Liberty’s victims/survivors were abandoned by their own government and the cover-up of that massive wrongdoing continues to this day. To learn more, go to: http://www.gtr5.com

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  48. there’s a marvelous line in “Tiger at the Gates” — the senator and lawyer are dithering and raving, spewing nonsense scripted by Sam Shama.
    The Queen cuts them off: “We’ve come to expect nonsense. It never seems to fail us.”

    back to you, Sam.

    Foxbats Over Dimona The Soviets’ Nuclear Gamble in the Six-Day War discusses another very important component to the history of the 1967 war: according to Isabella Ginor and Gideon Remez, it was a joint effort by Russia and Egypt to take out Israel’s nuclear weapons arsenal —

    Contrary to previous interpretations, Ginor and Remez’s book shows that the Six-Day War was the result of a joint Soviet-Arab gambit to provoke Israel into a preemptive attack. The authors reveal how the Soviets received a secret Israeli message indicating that Israel, despite its official ambiguity, was about to acquire nuclear weapons. Determined to destroy Israel’s nuclear program before it could produce an atomic bomb, the Soviets then began preparing for war–well before Moscow accused Israel of offensive intent, the overt trigger of the crisis.

    Ginor and Remez’s startling account details how the Soviet-Arab onslaught was to be unleashed once Israel had been drawn into action and was branded as the aggressor. The Soviets had submarine-based nuclear missiles poised for use against Israel in case it already possessed and tried to use an atomic device, and the USSR prepared and actually began a marine landing on Israel’s shores backed by strategic bombers and fighter squadrons. They sent their most advanced, still-secret aircraft, the MiG-25 Foxbat, on provocative sorties over Israel’s Dimona nuclear complex to prepare the planned attack on it, and to scare Israel into making the first strike. It was only the unpredicted devastation of Israel’s response that narrowly thwarted the Soviet design.

    All factors considered –

    – Possible US complicity in the effort to take out Israel’s nuclear arsenal?? Was Liberty aware of Dimona?

    – LBJ needing Jews to tone down their opposition to Viet Nam war (a thesis that some retired CIA analysts support)

    – An LBJ- Mathilde Krim relationship that colored LBJ’s reactions

    – An LBJ – Mathilde and Arthur Krim relationship involving sex AND money — Arthur was a major Democratic money source

    One thing’s for sure: the script the Israelis recite, “we made mistakes, we admit it” — is right out of the zionist playbook, they might as well have tattooed on their foreheads, “we are lying through our teeth but we are certain you will believe us. And by the way, send money. Now. Lots.”

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  49. You wish, Mr. Hasbara ‘McKenna’.

    It is you and those you try to cover for who lack credibility.

    Bringing The Liberty atrocity to light can only help stop the destructive domination of this country by violent, supremacist Zionist madmen.

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  50. An interesting discussion of an important topic…

    For decades it’s been known to be 100% certain that the Israeli attack on the Liberty was fully intentional. Indeed, when my late friend Bill Odom was running the NSA for Ronald Reagan, he managed to partially circumvent the total media/political blackout of the incident by having the NSA intercepts of the Israeli radio communications included in NSA “training exercises” provided to all young intelligence officers.

    But for me, the real mystery has always been “Why?” Attacking the Liberty was an extraordinarily risky action for the Israelis to take, and it’s difficult to see how any of the suggested motives made logical sense from a cost/benefit analysis. Since the attack did go wrong and most of the American servicemen survived, only their massive influence over the American MSM allowed them to escape severe retaliation.

    However, maybe the real answer is very simple. From what I’ve read, LBJ had sent the Liberty—our most advanced intelligence ship—to monitor the war and make sure the Israelis didn’t exceed their promises to him, in other words to show the arrogant Israelis “who was boss.” So perhaps the Israeli decision to destroy the vessel and leave no survivors among the American military personnel was simply a response, intended to show America’s president “who was really boss.” If so, it certainly worked, given that the American forces dispatched to rescue the ship and destroy the attackers were repeatedly recalled by orders at the highest level. Later, massive efforts were made to hush up the event and permanently gag all the survivors.

    This raises the natural follow-up question, what enormously powerful hold did the Israelis have over LBJ, that they could suddenly deploy at a crucial moment to bend him to their will? Sometimes people speculate about “Democratic Jewish donors” or that sort of thing, but it seems to me that such political leverage just wouldn’t be powerful enough for this sort of extreme situation. I can’t be sure myself, but another commenter upthread raised a plausible possibility…

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  51. “The Jewish community opposed the Viet Nam war and led opposition to it.
    LBJ traded his silence on the Liberty incident for Jewish silence on the Viet Nam war.”

    Oh really?

    So who was Kissinger?

    Public opposition to Vietnam was used by supremacist Jews to attack traditional values and turn politics in their favor. To say they opposed what was essentially communist resistance to the US is to ignore the history of Jews and communism.

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  52. The attack on the USS Liberty had a profound impact on me that is still not resolved a half-century later. I dropped out of high school and joined the Navy at age 17. I expected to be chipping paint on old ships, but I did well on the intelligence and aptitude tests (multiple choice tests, so maybe I just guessed correctly).

    After boot camp, I was sent to tech school to learn crypto systems and I also was trained as a Russian typist — not a linguist, just a typist, although some of the language did sink in. Upon graduating from tech school, I was assigned to the Naval Security Group, then a branch of the National Security Agency.

    Like all enlisted men in that work, I was trained to simply process messages and not pay attention or remember the content. That was not a problem for me at the time because I was far more interested in beer and bar girls than in world politics. But in my free time, I read the novel “Exodus” by Leon Uris and I later saw the movie starring Paul Newman. Being young and impressionable, I became a full blown supporter of Israel and a certifiable hater of Arabs.

    I had been discharged from the Navy by the time Israel attacked the USS Liberty. I knew immediately that the ship was part of the Naval Security Group and I generally knew its mission. Some of my friends had remained in the Navy and could have been on that ship. I checked the casualty lists, but saw no names of anybody I knew.

    At the time, my thinking was still greatly influenced by Leon Uris. I thought that there must be a logical explanation as to why Israel would attack an American ship. There must be a good reason why American politicians did not react as they would have if the attacking country had been other than Israel. In the late 60s, I waited for explanations. I’m still waiting.

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  53. This 1993 article by the Liberty’s bridge officer should answer a lot of questions raised:

    http://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/the-assault-on-the-uss-liberty-still-covered-up-after-26-years.html

    ^ And the Israeli pilot who broke off and refused to attack the Liberty should be thanked

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  54. what enormously powerful hold did the Israelis have over LBJ, that they could suddenly deploy at a crucial moment to bend him to their will?


    JFK

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  55. Is there anyone that disagrees with you who isn’t a Jew?

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  56. That claimed IQ advantage is due to the fact Ashkenazi IQ is separated out from the IQ of Jews as a whole, who are really quite mediocre.

    Now if we separate out specific European groups, say real Germans, real Austrians, & real Scandinavians from their lower IQ immigrants we see a completely different story.

    Don’t be duped by a Jew dominated media.

    ‘All The News Jews Feel Fit To Print’

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  57. imho the most courageous — and accurate — statement in Giraldi’s essay is this:

    [The] USS Liberty incident reveals that there is a price to be paid in blood when one accommodates a rogue state like Israel.

    Rogue state status is a fulcrum of neoconservative thinking. Frederick Kagan, the one who is not married to Victoria “f*&k EU” Nuland but to the squeaky-voiced war-lover Kimberly, identified Napoleon as the “model rogue” who demonstrated these patterns:

    ~ Napoleon viewed the “international order” imposed and enforced by the British empire as oppressive and corrupt, as it was indeed;

    ~ Napoleon believed his cause was just and that supporters would flock to support the “right;” Napoleon believed that “right makes might.”

    ~ Napoleon was wrong: most states who were protected by the overweening power of the British empire, corrupt tho it might have been, preferred that corrupt protection to the possibility of a more just arrangement.

    ~Napoleon’s attempt to disrupt the “established international order” as maintained by the British branded him as a “rogue.”

    ~ (Ahmadinejad — no longer relevant, but Kagan is on a roll; he’ll find another bogey man) is the Napoleon of our day and Iran is thus a “rogue state.”

    Miriam Webster defines rogue in a manner different from that of Fred Kagan –

    Full Definition of ROGUE:
    a man who is dishonest or immoral

    1 : vagrant, tramp
    2 : a dishonest or worthless person : scoundrel
    3 : a mischievous person : scamp
    4 : a horse inclined to shirk or misbehave
    5 : an individual exhibiting a chance and usually inferior biological variation

    Thus, in Kagan-think, to fight for the right against an oppressive regime is roguish behavior and immoral. That twist of logic comes about because Kagan’s standard for judging what is moral and immoral is that which assures financial wellbeing to an elite cadre, i.e. the British empire and its elite beneficiaries, and not those rights guaranteed to all men and termed inalienable in the U.S. Declaration of Independence.

    Which definition of rogue is not the product of Orwellian double-think, and which definition applies to the rogue state Israel?

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  58. US support for Israel back in those days was driven by The Cold War. A lot things back in those days was driven by the Cold War…such as the integration of the US Armed Forces…The 1964 Civil Rights Act…the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act…post 1965 Immigration Policy…Jewish Elites in the US took advantage of this to pursue their own agenda.

    It is my view that the ideology of the “Blessings of Diversity” is a direct consequence of the Cold War..as was the attack on the USS Liberty. The issue you are raising is the motives of the Israelis back in 1967 which is a separate issue from the Cold War.

    In 2015, the “Blessings of Diversity” Party…The Democratic Party….wages a war of conquest against Conservative Orthodox Christian Russia. US White Male Mega CEOS are foaming at the mouth to get ownership of Russia’s vast resources…Nothing has changed since NSC-68. “The Blessings of Diversity” is the malodorous very thin veneer that covers-covered the Mafiosa Gangster Racket known as The Cold War..this gets degenerate…repellant…soulless…anti-Christian Hollywood on board with the gang-rape of Conservative Orthodox Christian Russia.

    Time to rethink the Cold War…War is a fucking racket!!!!

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  60. That claimed IQ advantage is due to the fact Ashkenazi IQ is separated out from the IQ of Jews as a whole, who are really quite mediocre.

    Well, a couple of problems with that argument, the first being that Ashkenazis make up 85% of all Jews.

    Now if we separate out specific European groups, say real Germans, real Austrians, & real Scandinavians from their lower IQ immigrants we see a completely different story.

    The second problem is that immigrants’ IQs are generally higher, not lower, than the populations from which they emigrate.

    Want to try again?

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  61. The Cold War has been nothing but death and destruction for Native Born White Americans-from the the Israeli Military deliberately slaughtering Native Born White American Teenagers…to the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act(We gotta show those immoral Russkies that we are a morally superior People) which gave us post-1965 race-replacement immigration policy…which gave us such wonderfull “Blessings of Diversity”-Muslim Variety-such as 9/11…The Fort Hood Massacre…and as of yesterday, The Lewiston Maine Police Force recruiting Somali legal immigrant Muslims into the Lewiston Maine Police Force.

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  62. In 1968, Sirhan Sirhan assassinated RFK because he was angry about his plans to send 50 bombers to Israel. A Palestinian man assassinated a popular American presidential candidate several years after a Communist assassinated a popular President.

    Hmmm……………….

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  63. ….scripted by Sam Shama

    ….In which case I shall address you as “Cassandra” henceforth.

    Back to you Cassie

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  64. which definition applies to the rogue state Israel?

    The Oxford definition applies to Israel (as well as the USA and its’ several allies)

    rogue state
    noun
    a nation or state regarded as breaking international law and posing a threat to the security of other nations

    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/rogue-state

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  65. “The Israelis, whose planes had their Star of David markings covered up so Egypt could be blamed, attacked the ship repeatedly from the air and using gunboats from the sea.”

    Citation, please?

    While I read it some years ago, I do not recall this obscuring of aircraft markings being mentioned in Assault on the Liberty by James Ennes (who was aboard the Liberty when it was attacked), nor in any credible eyewitness account. I might be mistaken…

    Or is this just more anti-Semitism from Mr. Giraldi?

    I have never been satisfied with the way the Liberty incident was handled by any involved party except the crew at the time of the attack (is there really movie footage of the attack, captured through a submarine’s periscope?), but making stuff up because you hate Jews isn’t the way to convince people that you are correct.

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  66. That’s right! Because when one Jew acts, he is acting for all Jews.

    We call that collective responsibility. And we reject it.

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  67. The real systemic destruction of the U.S. began in the 1980′s. You ever hear of LBO’s and it’s creator Milken Milken? Well this clown created a way for Wall Street gangsters to raid and loot companies across the U.S. This began the gutting of American industry which goes on to this day. BTW Romney was a practitioner of this, swooping in and selling off key assets and leaving a empty shell of a company to stagger along for a couple of years before expiring.

    Millions lost their jobs and pensions because of these Wall Street gangsters.

    Then old man Bush came up with NAFTA which Slick Willie signed into law at the urging of Robert Rubin. That giant sucking sound that Perot warned us about became millions of jobs sent to Mexico and the loss of entire industries. Then Slick signed PNTR with China at the urging of Wall Street which sent millions more jobs to Asia this time along with a massive loss of IP. Junior Bush kept up with signing more trade deals that sent jobs overseas. Obama is currently trying to ram TPP through which will probably end the U.S. as we know it.

    Then further blows came from Clinton including the ending of Glass-Stegal and the Commodity Futures Trading Act that allowed Wall Street to go nuts. The end result of this was a series of bubbles blown by Wall Street firms that ended up with the implosion of 2007 and the bail out by the Feds via TARP and QE(x) which exploded out debt to levels unseen.

    Now what does this have to do with whites? Well pretty much everything. First off the loss of well paying jobs in manufacturing and tech sectors harms everyone. From harming communities and neighborhoods across the country. To working and middle-class that become impoverished as the jobs go overseas – why do you think the middle-class is dying. This resulted in families being busted up and stops young people from having families because there are no decent paying jobs available.

    Today the damage manifests itself with college graduates ending up living at home with mom and dad, or worse going back to school for that MS or ph.d and by the time they graduate from that, the women are usually no longer capable of having children. And even they aren’t, they are saddled with enormous college debt which means if they’re lucky they can have one kid.

    We need to wake up and see that there is a war being waged against us, not only by the Jews but by the white elites as well. The white elites who support this stuff reads like whose who of Silicon Valley, Wall Street and D.C.

    We either start fighting back or we’ll end up as serfs.

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  68. LBJ had always been close to Israel, giving Jews safe haven during WWII (rightly) and quite possibly had crypto Jewish ancestry that many do in Texas and the SW.

    http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48942551.html?mobile=yes

    As for blood on LBJ’s hands see Billy Sol Estes. Very believable.

    It is not even debatable LBJ also played a very active role in covering up in Dallas.

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  69. Neither is a good thing–my point is you cannot ipso facto assume every single Jewish person supports all the policies of the State of Israel, any more than you can assume every American supports all the ridiculous things our country does.

    The Lobby’s quite powerful, but let’s not get too intellectually lazy here.

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  70. It is obvious – it is for all to see. The upshot of the USS Liberty is that the Jews have no loyalty to anyone. They are a one of – a different tribal being – a disconnect entity that is always separated from the rest of humanity – it is their culture – it is what they hear from birth.

    From birth they are taught to be cleaver with words – a more honest word for “clever” is “devious.” Devious means less than honest – it means no integrity – it means tricking people with words. In time it always comes to a zero-sum confrontation with a winner and a loser. “With words we make war” – Mossad.

    What devious reason the Jews had for killing the sailors of their major benefactor may never be known – but they did it, and they did it with a malicious intent to kill.

    Our lesson is to NEVER have dealings with Jews – in the end they will get you – it is their culture – is this not obvious?

    Boycott Disinvest Sanction

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  71. The most mind-blowing thing was the proposed Grafton Memorial Library for the ‘Liberty’ servicemen. Even though the Israeli role was played down the proposal was nonetheless denouced as anti-Semitic.

    An editorial in the Milwaukee Journal thundered ‘where is the outrage in Grafton? Why is there no outcry?’ Now let me be clear, because we’re talking about an upside down world here. The requested outrage and outcry were against the idea of commemorating American servicemen who had given their lives for their country, because such commemoration might offend the sensitivities of the people who cost them their lives!

    http://irishsavant.blogspot.ie/2015/02/in-case-you-were-wondering-about-zog.html

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  72. SumDood – One of many citations on this issue of unmarked Israeli aircraft is reported in

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-akins.html

    Here at Unz we have a policy of allowing everyone to express their opinions freely, but I find your insinuations extremely offensive. If you think I “hate Jews” and engage in “more anti-Semitism” perhaps you can exercise your freedom of choice to avoid my articles in the future and find another website to engage in your brand of repulsive innuendo.

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  73. “How do you propose to make that happen?”

    Phil’s article is part of the process of acknowledgement.

    The first step is that these things need to be revealed to those who don’t know.

    For those who saying it’s impossible it happened, that is part of the cognitive dissonance that occurs when ideology bumps up against reality. Seeing doesn’t always mean believing.

    Probably those ultimately responsible now know “it was worse than a crime. It was a mistake.”

    However, there is a political culture of “never explain, never apologize.”

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  74. Perhaps you are imprudently sure about this “superiority” by omitting a well-known factor of tribal solidarity. Nobody disputes the spectacular achievements of Jewish scholars, entrepreneurs, and neocons. But some of the “achievers” occupy their high places thanks to robust (and sometimes vicious) tribalism and not because of their exception intelligence and ethical norms. “The Myth of American Meritocracy:” http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

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  75. We call that collective responsibility. And we reject it.

    Except when it comes to the people of Germany,

    Gaza,,

    Israeli defense officials believe that the militants responsible for the rocket fire belong to a “rogue group.”

    A radical Islamist Salafist group posted a statement on Twitter claiming responsibility for firing the rockets, saying three rockets were fired. The group, calling itself the Omar Brigades, said the cross-border shooting on Wednesday was in retaliation for Hamas’ killing of an Islamic state supporter a day earlier in Gaza.”We are continuing with our jihad against the Jews, the enemies of God and no one will be able to deter us,” the statement said, using the term in Arabic for holy war.

    Defense Minister Ya’alon said in a press release on Thursday morning that the IDF struck Hamas targets because even if the militants who fired the rockets belong to “rogue gangs” from the Islamic Jihad, Israel holds Hamas “responsible for what is happening in the Strip.

    Iran, even USA.


    ya ya ya, I hear you: Israel is not “all Jews.”

    But if not for support of influential Jews in USA would Israel do what it does? Jews in USA have far more influence on what USA government does than does an ordinary non Jewish American.

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  76. What is wrong with the desire to honor the fallen on duty?

    While Knesset is striving to proclaim Israel a Jewish State, for now Israel is first and foremost a center of Zionism. It is not honest to equate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism.

    As for the irritation with any critique of Israel’ deeds, not long time ago, a private conversation of an honorable octogenarian had been used to destroy her career with the cruelty and viciousness that are rarely encountered. So please leave the honorable Philip Giraldi alone. He cares about the US and the people that defend this country.

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  77. “Neither is a good thing–my point is you cannot ipso facto assume every single Jewish person supports all the policies of the State of Israel, any more than you can assume every American supports all the ridiculous things our country does.”

    I never said all Jews support it. The fact is the Jews have to much control of our government.

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  78. The point is Ashkenazi Jews are over represented in proportion to their total numbers in positions of power. Such as finance, higher education, media, science, government advisors and law. White non Jews are in the vast majority and should not let Jews do things that are not in their best interest.

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  79. There was a time when somebody could accuse Jews of supporting policies not in the best long term interest of the country and it would just be another idea to ponder. Now it is “hate speech” and forbidden. This isn’t the result of stupidity.

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  80. To all those who deny the attack on the USS Liberty was deliberate, I invite you to watch this BBC documentary:

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html

    The highlight of the video is a quote by Research Officer, Dave Lewis, at 21:01

    “If it was an accident, it was the best planned accident I’ve ever heard of.”

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  81. And he was Christian ( orthodox ) . His family was sponsored to come to US.

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  82. Your post is depressing because it is true…but you leave out the fact that the labor supply in US domestic labor markets has increased massively since the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act….and the increase in labor supply also includes the number of nonwhite children born to nonwhite legal immigrants and illegal immigrants post-1965. The significance of this is as follows:the supply of labor in US Labor Markets was much larger in the early years after the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act than is commonly believed. Moreover, the nonwhite scab labor born to nonwhite legal immigrant scab labor were part of a mighty powerfull high fertility highly racialized Democratic Party Voting Block that voted to massively increase the supply nonwhite legal immigrant scab labor and nonwhite illegal immigrant scab labor …This is what you call increasing returns on steroids.

    What you wrote about the 1980s is a direct consequence of the massive wealth transfer to the White Liberal Greedy Cheating Class which was a consequence of the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act….As their bank accounts grew..so did their control over the US Economy and US Labor Markets.

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  83. Micheal Milken came up with junk bonds. Prior to Milken, brokerage houses were partnerships and very reluctant to float securities (stocks or bonds) on new and unproven companies. Milken realized that capital wasn’t scarce, it was everywhere. He also realized there were plenty of people who did not want stocks and needed a good income stream. We had just existed a bear market starting in 1966 where stocks were established companies were now trading at 1/2 book value.

    Milken was a smart guy and could recognize good businesses and good management. He got a higher rate of return for his investors and the companies got cash to expand they were never going to get from traditional Wall Street firms. One of the companies he financed was the alternate long distance phone service pioneer MCI.

    LBOs happened because people could see that they could borrow money to buy up all the stock of a company, sell off half it’s assets, and keep the rest for themselves free and clear.

    The first people to do it with were those in the oil patch like Boone Pickens who ran a smallish oil company but realized he could buy all the stock in a major company for less than the cost of buying their oil producing properties.

    The initial LBOs were not the crap that came later when every brokerage in town tried to horn in on Milkens game. Just as we saw with the S&L crisis and the Housing bust – more competition leads to lowered standards as people need to get deals done to get those commissions.

    NAFTA was negotiated by GHWB but only because Reagan couldn’t get the Mexicans on board. They needed another economic crisis and (I am guessing) promises to look the other way on illegals leaving the farms when US corn started flooding into Mexico (Brimlow at Vdare has claimed this) and bailout money if they needed it (which Clinton provided).

    http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1993/11/em371-the-north-american-free-trade-agreement

    When I was a kid the peso was 12 to a dollar. When I was in college it was 20 to 1. Prior to NAFTA the Mexican government loped off three zeros to make a new peso which has stayed roughly 10 to 1 since NAFTA.

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  84. “The point is Ashkenazi Jews are over represented in proportion to their total numbers in positions of power. “

    Gee – did all those Jews earn those positions – or were they put in those positions over time by other Jews and by political and financial coercion? Did tribalness accomplish the deed?

    What do you think?

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  85. I think whites let it happen.

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  86. “One has to hope that both Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara are now burning in hell as a consequence of their treason”

    No doubt you and your Holocaust revisionist buddies will be joining them there someday.

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  87. It has no sense to differentiate wealthy Dem power brokers from wealthy GOP power brokers. For instance, the White Greedy Cheating Class of Republican persuasion has been very adept at using the unskilled labor. If the Republican block was ever serious about illegal immigration, the various law-skilled law-paying job positions in Agrobyz, Construction, and Meat&poultry gigantic complexes and such would not be filled to the brim by illegals. There was never a talk about fining big businesses for hiring illegals.

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  88. This whole schtick, “we demand that you bow down and worship a holocaust that didn’t happen as we insist it did but we need you to believe it did so that Jews and Israel can continue to keep a noose around the neck of American policy” has cost the people of the United States about 100 years in lost opportunity.

    China is forging ahead with plans for a future brought about by non-violent investment — opportunistic, to be sure, but mutually beneficial and exhibiting a modicum of respect for the people and lands where it hopes to invest in infrastructure and commerce.

    While China is building One Belt One Road across half of the world, the people of the United States are financing and being forced to ‘worship’ at the holocaust belt across the USA.

    Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. If anything, today’s school children are in danger of thinking that Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin went to war against Hitler because of what was happening to the Jews. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/auschwitz-revisited#sthash.0Lsmx7s2.dpuf

    If that murderous trio did not wage war because of what was happening to the Jews, then why DID they wage war against Germany? And why are we allowing our schoolchildren to be brainwashed that way?

    American school children are forced to venerate Saint Ann Frank, and to overlook the fraud of Elie Wiesel while ingesting his phony rendition of being at a camp whose identity he can’t seem to remember and which didn’t do what he says it did and he wasn’t there when it did/didn’t do what he alleged it did anyway.

    This is the backward-looking mire the holocaust industry has snared the USA in — that fraudulent “survivor-ancestor worship” and the genocidal myths that undergird it and the liar’s victory that has propelled the USA into more genocidal wars in search of the artificial high that the USA experienced when it got away with the mass murder of German, Russian, and Japanese civilians and called it Victory.

    That “victory” has been an anchor around the necks of the American Constitutional republic, dragging it into the cesspool of Abrahamism when its intended destination was the creative individual liberty envisioned by USA’s founders who pledged “their lives, their fortunes, their sacred honor” to establish a unique experiment in self-government.

    That experiment has been exploited and despoiled by zionism and holocaustism.

    Your questions, Realist and Art –

    Realist: “The point is Ashkenazi Jews are over represented in proportion to their total numbers in positions of power. “

    Art: Gee – did all those Jews earn those positions – or were they put in those positions over time by other Jews and by political and financial coercion? Did tribalness accomplish the deed?
    What do you think?

    –are beyond irrelevant.

    Who gives a flying fuck?

    The United States of America, a Constitutional republic posited on the notion that all men are created equal by a creator who does not have a limiting name or set of “chosen” people, is in a position where it has lost the capacity to compete in any way that does not involve killing people in massive numbers.

    We have zionists to thank for that tragic turn of events.
    People like Phil Weiss and Jane Eisner tell us so — “Jews are the new elite,” they remind us every so often — as often as is required by appropriately gamed random reinforcement indicates will maintain the notion that non-Jews are the untermenschen and vassals of the New Jewish Elite.

    The USA has travelled backward a thousand years, maybe more; meanwhile, China, Iran, even Russia have stood back and watched the (Hollywood-produced) show as the USA deconstructs itself and destroys others.

    Fuck you, Art and your Ashkenazi inferiority complex with its compulsion to bray about your “meritocracy’” and fuck you Sam Shama and your inferiority complex with its compulsion to make sure and anonymous audience who doesn’t care a wit about you that you “have a PhD,” and and “IQ of 204.”

    Your pathetic pathologies have dragged the USA backward.

    Fuck you.

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  89. “I think whites let it happen.”

    I thing the American people were never told the truth of the Jewish takeover situation by the Jew controlled media. They never knew it was happening.

    You must agree!

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  90. I think it’s important to put the USS Liberty Incident in proper context…

    As I mentioned, the motivation behind the deliberate Israeli attack is a major historical puzzle, which we may or may not ever resolve. However, I think the attack itself is of very little present-day relevance. Nearly all the principals of both governments are long dead, and the impact upon current national security issues is nil.

    However, I do think the incident is of *enormous* value in helping us to properly evaluate the reliability of our major media organs and our mainstream historians. Consider that one of the most serious peacetime attacks upon American military forces, with over 200 dead and wounded Americans, has been almost totally covered up and hidden for the last half-century by the American media and political elites. I doubt whether even 1% of Americans are even aware of it.

    Furthermore, the vast quantity of totally false or distorted excuses vigorously promoted by pro-Israeli propagandists has successfully clouded the issue for the casually curious. Indeed, over the last few months I’ve occasionally noticed comments on this very website by agitated Jewish-activist types claiming that anyone who believed the Israeli attack was deliberate is a crazy promoter of “conspiracy theories.” I’d say there’s a better than 50-50 chance that the activists making those foolish claims were fully sincere in their mistaken beliefs, having probably read them from dozens of different sources.

    The important lesson to draw from all of this is that anything, *absolutely* anything can be successfully covered up by our media and political elites, even for many decades, with this iron wall of historical disinformation only starting to crack in recent years due to the growing power of the Internet. And denouncing something as a “crazy conspiracy theory” because it isn’t on the front page of the New York Times or in all the standard history textbooks is a very feeble argument to make…

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  91. Fuck you, Art and your Ashkenazi inferiority complex with its compulsion to bray about your “meritocracy’” and fuck you Sam Shama and your inferiority

    You’re a class act all the way.

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  92. Sorry to Mr Giraldi for a post a bit off-topic and against his former employer. Ronald, in relation to what you wrote, there is one very important consideration which most people are not aware of. Most US citizens view CIA as a US own organization, therefore its crimes are transgressions and/or a necessary evil (someone has to do the secret and dirty work). Most people do not actually comprehend that in “peace-time”, the CIA, Mossad and virtually all other “Secret Services” of the world (including KGB/FSB, etc etc) are primarily crime syndicates and secondarily national defense organizations.

    The CIA is working for the US national interest as much as the Federal Reserve is working for the US national interest (it is a private financial crime syndicate with a completely misleading name, neither Federal, nor Reserve).

    As soon as something is clandestine (and excluded from law), the national interest becomes a secondary consideration and private profit the primary. This is just natural, is it not? “It must be hush, hush, I would have to kill you if I told you the truth. The enemy is watching and listening. We need secret sources of funding that nobody knows about.” How convenient.

    Do you recall a few years back how the Western media blasted North Korean intelligence for doing armaments, drug running and trade in humans (including kidnapping of the Japanese nationals)? New competitor on the block?

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  93. “Miriam Webster”

    A WASP woman with a Jewish given name?

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  94. LBJ was most likely the architect of the JFK assassination and the subsequent cover up.

    It’s high time Ron brought aboard a JFK assassination conspiracy theorist. As Giraldi is the Unz Review’s foreign policy editor, the new guy could be history editor or something.

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  95. I think whites let it happen.

    Imagine the stink if you were in politics and said that there were too many Jews on SCOTUS when Kagan was being nominated.

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  96. Merriam

    un-autocorrected

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  97. You mean the people are too stupid to figure it out?

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  98. Surprisingly, only Clinton ever actually did anything about corporations hiring illegals. He put that under the RICO statutes. Unfortunately, nobody ever prosecutes any corporation using this. The few times they have used them they have gotten the company to plead guilty and agree to a large fine (cost of doing business) that is later reduced (as much as 90%) in negotiations with the Justice Department when nobody is looking.

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  99. “I seek no victory.
    The honor of my soul and character consists in deviating from the paths of fools,
    Not in conquering them.”

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  100. It’s high time Ron brought aboard a JFK assassination conspiracy theorist. As Giraldi is the Unz Review’s foreign policy editor, the new guy could be history editor or something.

    That’s actually a pretty good idea. Unfortunately, my top choice probably isn’t available. He would be David Talbot, founder of Salon.com and a well-regarded mainstream journalist.

    Frankly, I’m ashamed to admit that for nearly my entire life I never paid the slightest attention to “JFK conspiracy theories,” assuming they were all just the total nonsense the MSM suggested. However, when I read Talbot’s book BROTHERS on the JFK/RFK assassinations a couple of years ago, it seemed extremely persuasive to me. So I included that I’d probably been entirely wrong for all those years.

    One reason I heard about Talbot’s book was that it was so glowingly reviewed in all the elite MSM outlets, though for mysterious reasons the reviewers tended to be quite circumspect about the actual topic. But if all the elite MSM praised the Talbot book, and Talbot provided *overwhelming* evidence of a JFK conspiracy, why should I or anyone believe otherwise? And the Douglass book, which came out more recently, covered some of the same ground, and once again was glowingly praised by all the elite MSM outlets I read.

    So, in effect, our entire elite MSM has now quietly done a total about-face on the JFK assassination, and the only people I still see these days claiming it *wasn’t* a “conspiracy” are anonymous internet commenters and other random nuts.

    And once you’re reasonably persuaded that the MSM had fooled you about something so enormous for so many decades, well, you tend to become more cautious above taking them at face value about anything else…

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  101. Someone seems to have hit their “self destruct” button. Proving Ron Unz’ policies correct: rather than censorship, self exposure.

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  102. “Most people do not actually comprehend that in “peace-time”, the CIA, Mossad and virtually all other “Secret Services” of the world (including KGB/FSB, etc etc) are primarily crime syndicates and secondarily national defense organizations.”

    Well said – agree 100% – a pox on all of them. They are nothing but trouble makers.

    In the Treaty of Westphalia rulers and nations were given sovereignty over their territory. It is based upon the concept of a sovereign state governed by a sovereign.

    What do these spy agencies do but get rid of sovereigns. They are not just gathering information – they actually are destabilizing nations.

    What is the motto of the Mossad – “with words we make war.” – the Mossad makes war – this is unquestionably true. That organization must be brought before the Hague.

    One nation changing another nations sovereign is a war crime – end of story.

    This secret sovereign changing has to end – PERIOD!

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  103. “Imagine the stink if you were in politics and said that there were too many Jews on SCOTUS when Kagan was being nominated.”

    I did not say that but the stink you talk of would have to have the support of many whites since they are the vast majority. Therefore whites let it happen.

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  104. So you think the perpetrators of the JFK assassination got away with it and kept it all secret for over 50 years?

    Consider four assassination plots: Lincoln in 1865, Czar Alexander II in 1881, Hitler in 1944, and Charles Degaulle in 1962. The first two were successful, the latter two failed. What did all four have in common? The plot was uncovered after the attempt, one way or another, and the conspirators were caught.

    The same thing would have happened had there been a plot to kill John F. Kennedy. The Idiot Savant Oliver Stone had much of the government involved with dozens of them in Dealey Plaza, severalfiring down from the School Book Depository, another group (in plain sight) on “the Grassy Knoll.”

    How many would have been caught on the spot? How many would have run to the authorities to make a deal to save their neck? Several at least.

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  105. “Fuck you, Art and your Ashkenazi inferiority complex”

    Sorry but I am not a Jew, never was never will be.

    Because I am a philosophical Christian – I do not want to kill Jews – I believe all human life is sacred.

    With that said I can not tell you how many times I have been censured for giving Jews a nasty hard time. I think that Jews are the most dangerous tribe on the planet.

    Boycott Disinvest Sanction

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  106. I think that would be a micro aggression against moon landing theorists.

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  107. Remember the 5 Israeli “art students” who filmed and celebrated 9/11 as it happened ?
    Later they said on Israeli TV that they were there to document the event ! Nano-thermite (and advanced nano-thermite from a military lab) destroyed the towers, not the planes. If the planes did it, Isaac Newton lived in vain. But 9 scientists found traces of nano-thermite. Did OBL have access to nano-thermite ? The plot thickens !

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  108. Most US citizens view CIA as a US own organization, therefore its crimes are transgressions and/or a necessary evil (someone has to do the secret and dirty work). Most people do not actually comprehend that in “peace-time”, the CIA, Mossad and virtually all other “Secret Services” of the world (including KGB/FSB, etc etc) are primarily crime syndicates and secondarily national defense organizations

    I expect if Phil is circumspect on the subject, one might understand his reticence. No doubt there are many within the agency who enter the service with every good intention and I’ll let it go at that.

    But to your point, there is a very good investigative journalist had documented the money trail of the savings & loan collapse of the 1980s, and in this 1992 (two part) interview you’ll discover names touching other threads (this might not jump out at the uniformed) in this articles commentary .. Lloyd Bentsen, John Connally, George H.W. Bush (a lynchpin in my view) where certain notable personalities from both sides of the mainstream establishment politics are inter-meshed with named names spanning 1963 Dallas (not the subject of the interviews) to present (Jeb Bush.) The common thread throughout? American mafia in partnership with the CIA looting the American savings and loans, sticking the 500 billion (1992 dollars, closer to a trillion in 2015, adjusted for inflation) to the taxpayer and CIA derailing DoJ investigations and/or prosecutions; in a way predicting or mimicking the ‘too big to fail’ bailouts of 2008

    Part one:

    Part two:

    One important thread that is NOT developed in the interviews (is not the subject of reporter Pete Brewton’s investigation) is the equally incestuous overlap of the CIA with ‘Corporate America’ .. in any case the interview is eye-opening, particularly in relation to the CIA/Mafia marriage and related corruption of politics and law enforcement, very germane to present -

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  109. Nonsense. Especially when Israel is going around the world trying to arrest or have deported ninety years old prison guards who did nothing but guard prisoners. No, we in the Unites States should never forget the Liberty and those traitors who sent American servicemen to their death. There are still those in Israel who are alive and who were involved in this incident, and we must continue to seek to make them accountable.

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  110. SumDood – One of many citations on this issue of unmarked Israeli aircraft is reported in

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-akins.html

    Some reliable source you’ve got there!

    This incident has been thoroughly examined and re-examined going on fifty years. If it wasn’t laid to rest after the investigations at the time, it was after the key documents were declassified about ten years ago.

    This discussion isn’t going to get very far as long as you rely on sources within your own little echo chamber, while angrily rejecting everything else as part of your obsession with some kind of grand international Jewish conspiracy.

    In other words, no one other than your own acolytes will take you seriously, and you’ll be forever limited to flinging insults at us sane people in the world outside the ward.

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  111. “… and you’ll be forever limited to flinging insults at us sane people in the world outside the ward.”

    I know, I know… anyone who disagrees with the dominant narrative belongs in a ward! Here’s how one observer characterized the goal of Theodor W. Adorno’s (a leading member of the Frankfurt School of critical theory) book, The Authoritarian Personality:

    [it] was to eliminate antisemitism by “subjecting the American people to what amounted to collective psychotherapy—by treating them as inmates of an insane asylum.” (emphasis added)

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  112. The veterans of the USS liberty also claim that the planes were unmarked, both on their website, and on their formal report to the govt titled “A Report of War Crimes Committed Against the USS Liberty, June 8, 1967″.

    https://www.usslibertyveterans.org/

    “That the Israeli air attack lasted approximately 25 minutes, during which time unmarked
    Israeli aircraft dropped napalm canisters on USS Liberty’s bridge, and fired
    30mm cannons and rockets into our ship, causing 821 holes, more than 100 of which
    were rocket-size; survivors estimate 30 or more sorties were flown over the ship by a
    minimum of 12 attacking Israeli planes which were jamming all five American emergency
    radio channels”

    Are you going to concede the point, InternationalJew?

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  113. I wouldn’t exactly say the assassination conspiracy has been kept secret, plenty of people have talked even if you have never heard of them. Jim Garrison unearthed a fair number of the conspirators and one can make educated guesses on the others, that is despite evidence being destroyed or classified (still!) along side witnesses suffering untimely deaths.

    I would suggest you read Colonel John Hughes-Wilson’s book on the subject, an impeccable authority on such clandestine affairs although I am told he was more a behind the desk guy than in the field.

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  114. Furthermore, the vast quantity of totally false or distorted excuses vigorously promoted by pro-Israeli propagandists has successfully clouded the issue for the casually curious. Indeed, over the last few months I’ve occasionally noticed comments on this very website by agitated Jewish-activist types claiming that anyone who believed the Israeli attack was deliberate is a crazy promoter of “conspiracy theories.” I’d say there’s a better than 50-50 chance that the activists making those foolish claims were fully sincere in their mistaken beliefs, having probably read them from dozens of different sources

    Reading some of the comments Unz Review, I’d say there’s a better than 50-50 chance Unz Review is a target of (your choice)

    Hasbara Brigade:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media

    Bibi’s ‘student scholarships’

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/14/israel-pay-students-propaganda_n_3755782.html

    Jewish Internet Defense Force

    http://www.thejidf.org/

    Israeli ‘talk-backers’ (here’s a case of Jewish exposé of Israeli dirty tricks, no doubt a textbook example of Bibi’s accusations concerning “self-hating Jews” but actually courageous people similar to Eyal Weizman who has made a point of dissecting Israeli criminality)

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3744516,00.htm

    Israeli Megaphone Desktop Tool

    http://www.techsoar.com/what-is-megaphone-desktop-tool/

    ^

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  115. I admit I missed this possibility, when I wrote:

    http://www.unz.com/article/keep-your-eye-on-the-camel/#comment-972963

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  116. I find that there is something I can agree with you, finally. The United States needs to vastly expand its investments in infrastructure in this country and elsewhere in its sphere of influence. The U.S. enjoys the lowest cost of funding globally (with the exception of some Euro area countries, which are in no shape to provide any leadership) of approximately 1.7% for 5-year locked, or 2.45% for a 10-year lock.

    Have you recovered?

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  117. It would be pleasing to see some of the Tel Aviv terrorists dragged from their nursing home beds and put on the stand for crimes they committed years ago. Let them sit in the stand, crapping their diapers and drooling while a judge sentences them for the Liberty attack.

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  118. Just a reminder:The larger issue was the Cold War…In 2015 it’s still about the Cold War…only difference:We are going to War against those Fundamentalist Christian Russians!!!!!!!!!!!…The Cold War has become Homo normed,

    In the post-WW2 Cold War era, We went to War against the godless Russians!!!!!…This, of course, was a lie….the Russians weren’t godless.

    It is amazing how the internal identity psychodrama politics of The US interacted with post-WW2 foreign policy…and interacts with 2015 US foreign policy.

    We should have been friends with post-WW2 Stalinist Russia and post-1953 Communist Russia. We….as in Native Born White American Christian America.

    Russia was never a threat to the Native Born White American Christian Working Class…but Jack Welch and Ronnie black-oxford-shoe-polish-in-the-hair-Reagan(cause of Ronnie’s dementia issues?) were a very real mortal threat to the Native Born White American Christian Working Class.

    This is the context in which the Israeli slaughter of Native Born White American Christian Teenagers back in 1967 should be understood in terms of….

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  119. Apologies, Art.
    Neither do I seek the deaths of any persons.
    I wish the Catholic church would firmly and vocally reassert the moral authority of Joseph Bernardin’s concept of a seamless garment of life.

    Re-reading the series of comments, it appears I missed the irony in your response.
    While it may frighten you to be in such company, we have more in common than not.


    To Fran Macadam: it was not the self-destruct button but the self-censor button that I pushed that resulted in an impotent outburst of frustration.

    I misinterpreted Art’s comment. I thought Art was suggesting that disproportionate Ashkenazi representation was the result of superior ability or merit. I had just read a blog that treats I/P issues and occasionally discusses Jewish meritocracy and superiority. THAT was the source of frustration.

    There are very real problems that We the People must confront. Notions of Jewish superiority and right-to-rule should be dealt with by squashing, even ridiculing them, not spending energy debating the topic. Jewish envy of WASPs and the attempt to displace them has resulted in the mess the USA is in today. There are no winners in this neurotic game.

    The USS Liberty affair is only one event in a pattern of attack-deny-deceive-demand that characterizes Israel’s exploitation of its relationship to the USA.

    Even worse, as others have noted, the US CIA acts contrary to supposed US values and interests more frequently than we know. Chas Freeman has spoken of how the USA has mimicked rather than corrected Israel’s agenda of eroding rule of law. JFK sought to rein in the activities of the clandestine services that became institutionalized in the aftermath of WWII. He was assassinated and far from being reined in the CIA & the like metastasized post-9/11.

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  120. If the US Liberty has been “milked for all it’s worth” where is the milk?

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  121. So you think the perpetrators of the JFK assassination got away with it and kept it all secret for over 50 years?

    I could see that if the conspiracy consisted of a few mafiosos. If it was payback from Castro, people would have talked by now; they could keep quiet in Cuba but by 1970 or so key people or their family would have been in the US. And finally, anything hatched by the CIA, or Johnson or Nixon: totally utterly implausible that it could have been kept silent.

    So in other words, the only plausible conspiracy is also the least interesting; what difference does it make if it was Oswald or Oswald plus a few more obscure losers?

    The Times review that Ron points us to isn’t as complimentary as he thinks; it sums up by saying that the book lays out a lot of interesting theories without presenting a shred of evidence for any of them!

    Which, when you come to think about it, would makes a JFK-assassination-conspiracy nut an ideal recruit to Ron’s stable of contributors.

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  122. Knock it off with the JFK worshipping sewage. JFK was a filthy reprobate and War Criminal….no doubt rotting in HELL!!! at the moment with the filthy stinking rotting reprobate Teddy. The Kennedy Clan=Irish Catholic Scum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    JFK=Nuclear WW3 with Russia-permanent extinction of the Human Species+the Treasonous 1965 Immigration Reform Act(reprobate Teddy’s permanent monument to JFK).

    JFK was a mega-force of death and destruction in this World….

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  123. The veterans of the USS liberty also claim that the planes were unmarked, both on their website, and on their formal report to the govt titled “A Report of War Crimes Committed Against the USS Liberty, June 8, 1967″.

    https://www.usslibertyveterans.org/

    Not “the veterans of the USS Liberty” but a web site with, as far as I can tell, exactly one guy behind it, one Ernie Gallo.

    Disguising the planes, indeed. The Egyptian and Israeli air forces flew different planes, and the Egyptian ones were all smoldering wreckages by June 8. Even wacky conspiracy theories need to at least try to be consistent: either the Jews are superhumanly clever schemers and manipulators, or they’re stupid enough to try a ridiculously implausible “false flag” attack, but not both. Take your pick.

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  124. “LBJ was most likely the architect of the JFK assassination and the subsequent cover up. It’s not far fetched to imagine that such a man could also have covered up the Liberty incident.”

    You put the cart ahead of the horse. LBJ wasn’t smart enough to be the architect of JFK’s assassination, and neither was George Bush or Dick Cheney smart enough to be the architects of 9/11. Instead, what both men did was play major roles in allowing Israel’s Mossad to engineer both events, while providing Israel with strategic assets, accompanied by official cover-up stories.

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  125. @Giraldi

    The website you provided as “proof” is transparently anti-Israel (just read the banner at the top!), and cites people who were not on the Liberty during the attack.

    Your claim is absurd and unsubstantiated, and I will not stop describing it thusly until you provide an eyewitness account of this alleged obscuring of aircraft markings. That’s all I ask, and it is a very reasonable standard to hold to. If the aircraft weren’t marked, McGonagle or Ennes would have said so on the record.

    And, during a time of war (which was when the Liberty was attacked), when the enemies that surround Israel were using the exact same Mirage jets that Israel was flying, clearly identifying your own aircraft would appear to be mandatory to prevent fratricide.

    And before you begin indignantly hyperventilating, please take note that I (a lapsed Catholic with no personal stake in Israel) have never claimed that the attack on the Liberty was an accident, or that it never happened. I just want the facts.

    As to your declaration about my going elsewhere because you feel bad that I accurately described the anti-Israel bias of the authors and commenters at Unz…All I can say is that fish aren’t aware of the water they are swimming in, and you seem similarly oblivious to the veiled bigotry here. Anti-Semitism is a slippery slope, and there seems to be a large number of people here that are caught up in saying “wheeee!” as the wind rushes past them on the slide.

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  126. Not “the veterans of the USS Liberty” but a web site with, as far as I can tell, exactly one guy behind it, one Ernie Gallo.

    Lies.

    The report stating that the Israeli craft were unmarked is by the USS Liberty Veterans Association.

    It is clearly signed by the entire board of the association. They are all veterans, many of them are depicted in Philip’s picture above.

    Gary W. Brummett, President and
    Member of the Board of Directors
    Stan W. White
    Member of the Board of Directors
    Maurice Shafer
    Member of the Board of Directors
    Glenn Oliphant
    Member of the Board of Directors
    Ernest A. Gallo
    Member of the Board of Directors
    James R. Gotcher
    General Legal Counsel

    Their names and their own statements in addition to the report to which they honourably sign their names are easily googled.
    http://www.ussliberty.org/gotcher.htm etc etc

    You’re proving to be a confirmation of a certain kind of stereotype, InternationalJew. I fear that you are exactly as Mr. Unz describes you: you genuinely think that you’re on the side of the angels, and that the rest of us – even if we’re Jewish – are “anti-semites”.

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  127. An article posted on a JFK Conspiracy Theories website hosted at Marquette University http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jfk_cia.htm attempts to argue that JFK did not intend to “fragment and scatter to the winds” the CIA. The article claims (less than persuasively, imo) that JFK liked covert operations, used them frequently, and sought to enhance CIA ability to acquire intelligence and conduct covert operations.

    re your disgust with “Irish Catholics,” old school Catholics understand that the divisions within American Roman Catholicism, i.e. the Irish Catholics, Italian Catholics, Polish Catholics, rival Sunni-Shiite splits.

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  128. The Israelis were clearly tracking Mohammad Atta and his buddies…but there is a much simpler explanation as to why 9/11 took place…and it is the only one that makes sense:9/11 happened because of the monumental stupidity of millions of Native Born White American Christians who were way more interested in VINNNY TO KEYSHAN!!!!…VINNY TO CHREBET!!!!!…ROLL TIDE!!!…CATHOLIC SAINT JOE PA PATERNO!!!!…than the fact that the Muslims were being imported into the US for no other reason than to vote the White Jock Sniffers into a violently persecuted White racial minority at POTUS election time.

    9/11, with probability fucking 1 was completely avoidable:1)no passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act(Native Born White American Extermination Act)….2)Implementation of a National Origins Immigration Policy that completely excluded all Muslims.

    9/11 was actually quite easy to pull off…it was like taking candy from a retarded child…Native Born White American Christian Adult Jock Sniffer variety..

    Lewiston Maine Police Department now actively recruiting young Male Somali Legal Immigrants into the Lewiston Maine Police Department…14 years after 9/11. How’s your Fantasy Football Team Doing?

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  129. I notice in some commentary Jews are blamed for everything, in other commentary Jews have never done any wrong… which makes it easy to throw both lines of commentary in the dust bin.

    Insofar as JFK and LBJ ..

    So there it was, according to E. Howard Hunt. LBJ had Kennedy killed. It had long been speculated upon. But now E. Howard was saying that’s the way it was. And that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn’t the only shooter in Dallas. There was also, on the grassy knoll, a French gunman, presumably the Corsican Mafia assassin Lucien Sarti, who has figured prominently in other assassination theories

    http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/the-last-confession-of-e-howard-hunt-20070405?page=2

    Relevant to this is the so-called ‘Jackie O’ tapes that surfaced only to be buried:

    In the sensational tapes recorded by the First Lady months after the President’s death, broadcast by ABC, Kennedy revealed her belief that Johnson and a cabal of Texas tycoons orchestrated the murder of her husband by gunman Lee Harvey Oswald

    http://www.irishcentral.com/news/jackie-kennedy-blamed-lyndon-b-johnson-for-jfk-murder-127220093-237788131.html

    And showman (but savvy) Jesse Ventura points to the problem of (“I’m a patsy!”) Oswald getting off enough shots in time frame, let alone keeping the necessary accuracy on a moving target:

    ^ Reasonable people really don’t need to look all that deep to understand there are big problems with the ‘official’ JFK assassination story

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  130. Click link in my name for Roger Stone’s take, where he also agrees w/ the research conducted in Operation Cyanide.

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  131. http://www.ussliberty.org/gotcher.

    Brilliant. Another one-man web site, by a guy who, on the fateful day of June 8, 1967, was right there in…wait for it…Da Nang, South Vietnam. Who says he read a US DoD translation of Israeli communications. Which document oh so conveniently no longer exists.

    Nice try. What else ya got?

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  132. I couldn’t disagree more, Kyle. The incident keeps getting “milked” because it has never been resolved. When the US government acknowledges its disgraceful act and its unending loyalty to the criminal state of Israel , THEN it can be put to rest.

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  133. Are you seriously pretending that you haven’t noticed that the other 5 are military servicemen on the USS Liberty on the day of the attack, IJ?

    Not “the veterans of the USS Liberty” but a web site with, as far as I can tell, exactly one guy behind it, one Ernie Gallo.

    Lies.

    It’s signed by the servicemen who were on the ship on the day.

    http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/files/War%20Crimes%20Report.pdf

    The report makes unambiguous that the planes were UNMARKED.

    Who else has any authority to speak about whether the planes were marked, except the servicemen on the USS Liberty? The other servicemen also speak to this. Here’s an interview of another surivor, Tourney. His radio message, which on that day was received by that “guy” in Vietnam, as you put it:

    “About half-an-hour into the attack,” he said, “one of our men stretched a long wire so that we could transmit a message to the Sixth Fleet: ‘Under Attack by Unmarked Fighters. Send Help.’ – See more at: http://americanfreepress.net/?p=2309#sthash.vP0b1qgI.dpuf

    The planes were unmarked. So say the USS Liberty servicemen. Why would they say so if the planes weren’t unmarked, IJ?

    Are you an American citizen, by the way?

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    “Never before in the history of the United States Navy has a Naval Board of Inquiry ignored the testimony of American military eyewitnesses and taken on faith the word of their attackers.”- Captain Richard Kiepfer, MD.

    Congress has not INVESTIGATED Israel’s June 8, 1967 attack on the USS Liberty which killed 34 unarmed Americans and wounded 174 service men.

    In 2003, an independent commission of experts convened, including Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, USN, Ret. Former Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff, General of Marines Raymond G. Davis, Rear Admiral Merlin Starling and Ambassador James Adkins.

    They concluded there was compelling evidence that Israel’s attack was deliberate and “Israel committed acts of murder against American servicemen and an act of war against the United States.”

    The esteemed experts expressed their “Duty to the brave crew of USS LIBERTY and all Americans who are asked to serve in our Armed Forces, hereby call upon the Department of the Navy, the Congress of the United States and the American people to immediately take the following actions”:

    The first called for a new and true Court of Inquiry to be convened.

    The second, for every appropriate committee of the Congress of the United States to investigate the actions of the White House and Defense Department that prevented the rescue of the USS LIBERTY, including the NSA, CIA and military intelligence.

    The third called for the establishment of every June 8 to be known as USS LIBERTY REMEMBRANCE DAY.

    We, the undersigned Call on Congress to honor the USS LIBERTY and Support the Troops by taking the 3 steps listed above!

    Please Sign and Share Petition to Congress and Obama: HONOR THE USS LIBERTY:

    http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/support-the-troops-by?source=c.em&r_by=7328589

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  135. “Anti-Semitism is a slippery slope”

    Supporters of Israel are on a slippery slope to the wrong side of history. No true Christian (lapsed or not) can support apartheid Israel. Gaza is a 1,000,000 person prison. Israel murdered 2,300 Palestinians last year – how can you support that?

    p.s. “Anti-Semite” is another manufactured Jew lie – Arabs are Semites. Stop being a sucker.

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  136. “When the US government acknowledges its disgraceful act and its unending loyalty to the criminal state of Israel , THEN it can be put to rest.”

    Exactly – the shame of the US leaders not backing their sailors is the major crime that we should care about.

    p.s. Jews will be Jews – killing is easy for them. They killed 2,300 Palestinians last year. How many will they kill today?