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The Taliban in Afghanistan have published an attempt to reason with “the American people, officials of independent non-governmental organizations and the peace loving Congressmen.” This “Letter of the Islamic Emirate to the American People” attempts to open a dialogue with American citizens. I happen to be an American citizen.

You realize that your political leadership launched a military invasion of our country 17 years ago.

It’s kind of funny in itself that we have to be reminded that we’re still fighting a land war in Asia. With hostilities and exercises increasing along the DMZ, American troops “embedded” with Al Qaeda and the YPG all over Syria, several thousand troops remaining in Iraq, and an order of magnitude more special forces “advisors” and private military contractors scattered about the Ukraine, Yemen, and God knows where else, …forgive us for losing track.

This invasion was not only contrary to the legal and national norms of our own sovereign country but also a violation of all international rules and regulations, but still the following three main points were put forward by your authorities to justify this illegitimate invasion:

  1. Establishing security by eliminating the so called terrorists inside Afghanistan.

  2. Restoring law and order by establishing a legal government.

  3. Eradicating narcotics.

Mission Accomplished! Right? I don’t know. Where’s Afghanistan on a map again and why are we still there?

Even though it is not the duty of America to draft laws and suggest systems for other countries but nevertheless, the second excuse of George W. Bush for the invasion of Afghanistan was to establish a supposed legitimate government.

Amusingly, this illegitimate and illegal war of ours in Afghanistan was actually our most legitimate one. Every conflict after Afghanistan was pursued by our deep state through a loophole in our declaration of war against Afghanistan. Say what you want about what actually happened on 9/11, but Al Qaeda took ownership and OBL was tight with the Taliban. As such, a good hearty razing of Afghanistan’s terrorist monkey bars training camps seems like it was justified.

You play international warmonger games, you win international warmonger prizes.

The problem here is that these Islamists are just as globalist as the Zionists. The Taliban’s striking a disingenuous posture here, acting like they’re standing for sovereignty and identity in this open letter while being as committed as America’s military-industrial lobby to threatening the sovereignty and security of foreign peoples. The Taliban’s aligned with ISIS and Al Qaeda against the Ba’ath Party in Syria, just as they were hostile to Iraq’s Ba’ath Party.

Ultimately, the gordian knot of alliances and entanglements in the Islamic world isn’t something we would have to give a damn about if the Israel Lobby weren’t dragging the American people into the middle of it. But to the extent that circumstances require us to care, I’m aligned with the nationalist forces that are focused on defending their own people than about pursuing some fantastical global caliphate.

But despite seventeen years of war costing thousands of American and coalition lives and billions of dollars, such a system has taken root in Afghanistan which has achieved the following administrative, legal, military and political records:

Number one internationally in administrative and financial corruption.

Number one internationally in violating human rights.

Number one internationally in usurping of land and embezzling international aid.

Number one internationally in violence against women, etc. etc.

When even the Taliban is scolding your record of violence against women, …that’s when you know you’ve made an ass of yourself.

According to the data provided by UNODC (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crimes) – prior to the American invasion – poppy was cultivated only on 185 hectors land of Afghanistan and only in areas controlled by anti-Taliban forces whereas the level of heroin addiction among Afghans was next to nil. But following the American invasion of Afghanistan, poppy cultivation skyrocketed from 185 hectors to 328,000 hectors while under the shadow of seventeen year occupation, the number of drug addicts has reached 3 million people.

I don’t know why they’re wasting their time writing the American people about that. The same government and corporations doing that to them are doing that to us, too. Your best bet here, Taliban, would be to write to Purdue Pharma and ask them to have their lobbyists have the military crush their competition for narcotics. Unlike the American citizenry, Congress actually listens to the drug lobby.

Your authorities proclaim that tens of billions of dollars have been spent on various reconstruction projects in Afghanistan. Of course this is the same money which is collected from you as taxes and revenues, but here it has been distributed among thieves and murderers.

Do you agree that the hard earned money of your labor should be wasted on such a corrupt system where in only one criminal case, $900 million were stolen from Kabul Bank by corrupt officials?

Look, Taliban. We voted in 2008, 2012, and 2016 for the candidates who promised the most humble foreign policy. But we just keep getting more wars we don’t want. We’re pulling the democracy lever, but the lever’s broken.

Is this the civilization, modernity and rule of law proclaimed by you in the world?

Okay, guy. Calm down. Please understand that the actual American people aren’t going around bragging about how wonderful our country is. We’re not the ones making these decisions. If you were to walk up to the average American on the street and ask him if he thinks America should be imposing its system and values on foreigners, he would tell you that we need to fix our own country and its worsening problems before trying to save the rest of the world from itself.

The American people were sold the Afghanistan war as a swift punitive response where we would catch Bin Laden and hold him accountable. We had a hell of a time finding him, and it turns out that our key ally in the war on terror, Pakistan, was actually harboring him the whole time. Whoops.

Were your 3546 forces killed in Afghanistan to establish and empower such a system?

Afghans may find it amusing that the soldiers who don’t get killed while over there get treated with the utmost suspicion and contempt by our own government. They’re often radicalized and become anti-government on account of what they see, and our intelligence services focus heavily on monitoring our combat veterans. I don’t blame them for coming home disgruntled. I’m disgruntled from merely reading about this bullshit, much less living it.

I understand the Red Dawn case for attacking the invaders, but I implore the Taliban to defeat America with calendars instead of bombs. And if you must keep busy, focus on damaging infrastructure instead of taking soldiers’ lives. Bear in mind that our military-industrial complex is far more sensitive to financial costs than the loss of its soldiers’ lives. Those soldiers who you see as invaders are often great guys who are as caught up as you are in a struggle they never asked for.

Can your scholars, intellectuals and unbiased analysts produce an answer to our questions?

Afghans aren’t going to get anywhere with this if they continue believing that the American government and its propaganda are synonymous with the American people. The vast majority of our nation, like the vast majority of every nation, don’t have the time or inclination to develop a nuanced position on foreign affairs. But even at the dive bars, barber shops, and what few family meals still occur, the general American opinion is that we need to bring our troops home from all of these “nation building” projects.

We must state that the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan undertakes legitimate efforts for the independence of our homeland. Having a sovereign country free from any foreign occupation is our natural and human right.

Once again, the Taliban disingenuously leans on the language of nationalism and sovereignty despite having an imperial ideology. President Trump plays the same game, talking the nationalist talk while walking the imperialist walk. In many ways, the Islamists and the Zionists deserve each other, and it’s in the rest of the peace-loving world’s interest that the two remain at one another’s throats.

It is worth mentioning that we have no agenda of playing any destructive role in any other country and we have practically proven over the past seventeen years that we have not interfered in any other country.

The Taliban has been too busy trying to recover its own sovereignty in its home country to have an opportunity to achieve its imperial ambitions lately. What the Afghan people deserve is a Taliban that’s as nationalist as it pretends to be when it’s on the back foot. Within a few years, the Taliban will assuredly have its country back, as America’s eager to refocus on exciting new wars elsewhere. My advice to the Taliban is to not make the same globalist errors which invited the storm in the first place.

Likewise we will not allow anyone else to use Afghan territory against any other country.

This seems to be a roundabout admission of guilt for supporting Al Qaeda’s toxic mission all those years ago. What’s amusing is that the United States is now actually allied with Al Qaeda in Syria against an authentically nationalist Islamic state. What were G.I. Joe villains last week are our deep state’s strategic partners the next week.

After gaining independence, we would like to have positive and constructive relations with all countries of the world including our neighboring countries.

The 21st century belongs to those who are allied together against fanatical imperialists of all stripes, including those who aim for a Greater Israel and those who aim for a “global caliphate.” The Taliban can back up their claim to be the legitimate government of the Afghan people by reconnecting with their pashtunwali spirit of Hewaad and also respecting the sovereignty and identity of nations beyond their borders.

(Republished from Occidental Dissent by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Look, Taliban. We voted in 2008, 2012, and 2016 for the candidates who promised the most humble foreign policy.”

    Only if one restricted his choice to Red/Blue. But in that regard, you can include 2000. Remember Mr. Bush’s promises about not nation building?

    “We’re pulling the democracy lever, but the lever’s broken.”

    Which is why I stopped voting for any USG office altogether after 2012.

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    • Replies: @Art
    “Look, Taliban. We voted in 2008, 2012, and 2016 for the candidates who promised the most humble foreign policy.”

    Is that not rock-solid proof that there is a deep state controlling our foreign policy - and that the deep state is working for Israel?

    No matter for whom we vote, we get Israel inspired wars.

    We are now building military building in Syria – how did that happen? Was that openly debated in congress – NO. Did the JMSM advise the American public of this – NO.

    Thanks to US Jews - Peace does not have chance in America.

    Think Peace --- Art
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  2. Talha says:

    Generally good take, but there is no evidence the Taliban have designs beyond their borders. They are at war with ISIS currently- a quick search on google will confirm this through plenty of legitimate sources.

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    • Replies: @KenH
    You're probably right. The last I checked ISIS was trying to make inroads into Afghanistan much to the consternation of the Taliban. The Taliban was reportedly targeting ISIS members in Afghanistan they knew about. Things may have changed but I haven't come across or looked for any information in at least six months relating to this state of affairs.
    , @Moi
    The Taliban doesn't give a hoot about what's happening outside Afghanistan. Our writer just got carried away on that non-issue.
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  3. Randal says:

    Rather overlooks the reality that the Taliban were quite prepared to hand bin Laden over for trial in a third country rather than get invaded by the US, which shows the matter certainly could have been resolved without waging a war of aggression in response to a criminal act. But the Bush regime (and the American people, who are far from the innocent victims this author tries to portray them as) desperately needed to be kicking some foreign butt to distract from what had just happened, so war and the consequent deaths of tens of thousands of innocents was waged.

    By and large the Taliban themselves were always more focussed on their own problems at home than on global jihad. They certainly sympathised with it, and with their co-religionists suffering at the hands of longstanding murderous US interference in the ME in particular, but it’s hard to honestly blame them for that.

    And it’s far too simplistic to claim in defence of the American people (true though it is) that Americans vote for the candidates promising the humbler foreign policies, and find those candidates embracing war once in office.

    The political process in the US includes primaries, and includes all the Congress and Senate contests, and time after time after time Americans elect open and well established warmongers to office. Both Bush and Obama were re-elected to the presidency after having demonstrated in office that their claims to seek a humbler less war-obsessed foreign policy had been lies.

    Clearly a country that elects and re-elects with colossal majorities the likes of Joe Lieberman, John McCain, Lindsey Graham and many, many others is not an American people who are actually much concerned about their government murdering foreigners en masse.

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    • Agree: Talha, Biff, jacques sheete, Druid
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    "Rather overlooks the reality that the Taliban were quite prepared to hand bin Laden over for trial in a third country rather than get invaded by the US, which shows the matter certainly could have been resolved without waging a war of aggression in response to a criminal act."

    That is true, but as I posted on another forum when that war was only a year or so old, the Cheney administration didn't want Bin Laden unless he was already dead because they knew he had nothing to do with the crime. A trial of Bin Laden would have revealed inconvenient facts. Nothing suited the warmongers but war.

    This author also pushes the false meme that has Bin Laden miraculously surviving in Pakistan for years after he would have surely died from renal failure. Maybe he's just uninformed. This does seem to be his first article posted on Unz.
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    The truth is that Muslims even at the beginning of their conquests there was never forced enrollment
    by Muslim authorities. All Muslims in every conquest were volunteers.
    , @KenH

    Rather overlooks the reality that the Taliban were quite prepared to hand bin Laden over for trial in a third country
     
    I don't recall them being eager and willing to unconditionally hand Bin Laden over on a silver platter. I recall they were willing to hand him over only if the U.S. could provide evidence of his involvement in the 9-11 attacks which we never did.

    Both Bush and Obama were re-elected to the presidency after having demonstrated in office that their claims to seek a humbler less war-obsessed foreign policy had been lies.
     
    Except in the case of the 2012 election it was a contest between less war Obama vs. more war Mittens Romney, but war nonetheless. Romney announced that Middle East policy would be crafted to conform to the wishes of Bibi Nutanyahoo, a plan that Trump has now put into practice.

    The American people have little real power to exercise and have been largely disenfranchised, so the average voter only deserves a portion of the blame. Most true anti-war candidates get vanquished during the primaries for lack of special interest funding (MIC, AIPAC) and media support which are the two groups driving our foreign policy as well as lack of support from the party bosses who are always Israel firsters.

    Also, candidates don't advertise that they are pro-war and usually just claim to support the troops and the military. Then you have some pro-war Congressman and Senators that from a white person's perspective are good on immigration, the second amendment and against SJW madness, but stridently support every military misadventure which puts the white voter in between a rock and a hard spot because the alternative is usually an anti-white leftist radical who's also an illegal aline loving, war supporting liberal interventionist.

    The choices are few for the hapless American voters.

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  4. Matt is absolutely correct.

    The Taliban supported Al-Qaeda, and Al-Qaeda in turn wants a global Sunni Caliphate which will impose the Sunni interpretation of sharia law onto the entire world.

    The 2001 campaign in Afghanistan was absolutely justified as retaliation for Al-Qaeda terrorist attacks on the American homeland, on American diplomatic outposts, and on the homelands and diplomatic outposts of our European allies.

    But now that our interventionist foreign policy is actually benefiting Al-Qaeda in Syria and Yemen, it is time to bring home all American servicemen, end all economic sanctions, end all foreign aid, and end arms sales to Israel, Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

    This will lead to the destruction of Al-Qaeda’s at the hands of their local enemies (Russia, Syria, Iran, and various Shiite and secular nationalist militias).

    We can protect our homeland from radical Sunni terrorists such as Al-Qaeda and ISIS without spending a single dollar or shedding a single drop of blood, if we simply enact an immigration moratorium. They can’t hurt us if we don’t let them come here.

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    • Agree: Ace
    • Replies: @CalDre

    The Taliban supported Al-Qaeda, and Al-Qaeda in turn wants a global Sunni Caliphate which will impose the Sunni interpretation of sharia law onto the entire world.
     
    Virtually everyone wants a "global system". The Chinese want the world to be more like China; the US (and before it the UK) has been "spreading democracy" (i.e., their satanic "secular humanism" - and before that, allegedly Christianity, but really it has always been their "secular humanism") at gunpoint for many centuries.

    The Sunni caliphate is actually only supposed to reign in areas where Muslims live. It is not a global endeavor, unlike the US' "Communism", which the US tries to impose by force on areas where people are religious and not satanic. Muslims wanting to live under sharia law is about as radical as US Liberals/Communists wanting to live under a neo-liberal democracy. But unlike the vast majority of Sunnis, the vast majority of Liberals do spread their ideology by force and subjugation.

    And the Taliban hardly "supports al Qaeda". The Taliban came into being in the lawless violence of post-Soviet Afghanistan, and their sole goal has always been to establish an Islamic, nationalist government in Afghanistan. Anything else is simply ignorance or dishonesty. Even when the Taliban had complete power prior to Bush' illegal invasion, the Taliban did not interfere in the affairs of other countries. Al Qaeda, on the other hand, is an "Anglo-Zionist" creation, which was formed by Carter and nurtured ever since by the US and the Zionists.

    Matt also writes:


    The Taliban’s striking a disingenuous posture here, acting like they’re standing for sovereignty and identity in this open letter while being as committed as America’s military-industrial lobby to threatening the sovereignty and security of foreign peoples. The Taliban’s aligned with ISIS and Al Qaeda against the Ba’ath Party in Syria, just as they were hostile to Iraq’s Ba’ath Party.
     
    How has the Taliban, exactly, threatened the sovereignty and security of foreign peoples? Despite the large number of Taliban operating in Afghanistan, how many operated in Syria? Indeed, as another commenter noted, the Taliban are fighting ISIS in Afghanistan.

    Now it is true that the so-called "Pakistan Taliban" sent some forces to Afghanistan. But "Taliban" really just means "student", the Afghani Taliban have no monopoly on that name. The Pakistan Taliban are not affiliated with the Afghani Taliban, though they do fight the foreign satanic invaders in Afghanistan (the US thug troops who fight for secular humanism / Satan and who loathe God/Allah). But then again, even the Satanic invaders are fighting alongside ISIS and al-Qaeda/al-Nusra Front in Syria, and supporting al Qaeda in Yemen, among other places.

    , @Twodees Partain
    John, Al Qaeda is a false construct of US/ Israeli intelligence and seems to be run by the CIA. Your entire comment shows that you watch way too much TV.
    , @jacques sheete

    The Taliban supported Al-Qaeda, and Al-Qaeda in turn wants a global Sunni Caliphate which will impose the Sunni interpretation of sharia law onto the entire world.
     
    Credible sources, please.

    Speaking of control, chew on this a bit.:

    ”Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.

    Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.”According to Yosef, death has “no dominion” over non-Jews in Israel.

    "Hate the Gentile!" Israel’s Racist Rabbis, by JONATHAN COOK
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/12/10/israel-s-racist-rabbis/
     
    You may be looking for hate in all the wrong places, cowboy!
    , @Sam J.
    "...campaign in Afghanistan was absolutely justified as retaliation for Al-Qaeda terrorist attacks on the American homeland..."

    Let's not be absurd. Anyone with minimum common sense knows the Jews did 9-11.
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  5. CalDre says:
    @John Gruskos
    Matt is absolutely correct.

    The Taliban supported Al-Qaeda, and Al-Qaeda in turn wants a global Sunni Caliphate which will impose the Sunni interpretation of sharia law onto the entire world.

    The 2001 campaign in Afghanistan was absolutely justified as retaliation for Al-Qaeda terrorist attacks on the American homeland, on American diplomatic outposts, and on the homelands and diplomatic outposts of our European allies.

    But now that our interventionist foreign policy is actually benefiting Al-Qaeda in Syria and Yemen, it is time to bring home all American servicemen, end all economic sanctions, end all foreign aid, and end arms sales to Israel, Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

    This will lead to the destruction of Al-Qaeda's at the hands of their local enemies (Russia, Syria, Iran, and various Shiite and secular nationalist militias).

    We can protect our homeland from radical Sunni terrorists such as Al-Qaeda and ISIS without spending a single dollar or shedding a single drop of blood, if we simply enact an immigration moratorium. They can't hurt us if we don't let them come here.

    The Taliban supported Al-Qaeda, and Al-Qaeda in turn wants a global Sunni Caliphate which will impose the Sunni interpretation of sharia law onto the entire world.

    Virtually everyone wants a “global system”. The Chinese want the world to be more like China; the US (and before it the UK) has been “spreading democracy” (i.e., their satanic “secular humanism” – and before that, allegedly Christianity, but really it has always been their “secular humanism”) at gunpoint for many centuries.

    The Sunni caliphate is actually only supposed to reign in areas where Muslims live. It is not a global endeavor, unlike the US’ “Communism”, which the US tries to impose by force on areas where people are religious and not satanic. Muslims wanting to live under sharia law is about as radical as US Liberals/Communists wanting to live under a neo-liberal democracy. But unlike the vast majority of Sunnis, the vast majority of Liberals do spread their ideology by force and subjugation.

    And the Taliban hardly “supports al Qaeda”. The Taliban came into being in the lawless violence of post-Soviet Afghanistan, and their sole goal has always been to establish an Islamic, nationalist government in Afghanistan. Anything else is simply ignorance or dishonesty. Even when the Taliban had complete power prior to Bush’ illegal invasion, the Taliban did not interfere in the affairs of other countries. Al Qaeda, on the other hand, is an “Anglo-Zionist” creation, which was formed by Carter and nurtured ever since by the US and the Zionists.

    Matt also writes:

    The Taliban’s striking a disingenuous posture here, acting like they’re standing for sovereignty and identity in this open letter while being as committed as America’s military-industrial lobby to threatening the sovereignty and security of foreign peoples. The Taliban’s aligned with ISIS and Al Qaeda against the Ba’ath Party in Syria, just as they were hostile to Iraq’s Ba’ath Party.

    How has the Taliban, exactly, threatened the sovereignty and security of foreign peoples? Despite the large number of Taliban operating in Afghanistan, how many operated in Syria? Indeed, as another commenter noted, the Taliban are fighting ISIS in Afghanistan.

    Now it is true that the so-called “Pakistan Taliban” sent some forces to Afghanistan. But “Taliban” really just means “student”, the Afghani Taliban have no monopoly on that name. The Pakistan Taliban are not affiliated with the Afghani Taliban, though they do fight the foreign satanic invaders in Afghanistan (the US thug troops who fight for secular humanism / Satan and who loathe God/Allah). But then again, even the Satanic invaders are fighting alongside ISIS and al-Qaeda/al-Nusra Front in Syria, and supporting al Qaeda in Yemen, among other places.

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    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    All good points, CalDre. It looks as though Matt Parrot is getting his buns toasted the first time his stuff was posted here.
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  6. @Randal
    Rather overlooks the reality that the Taliban were quite prepared to hand bin Laden over for trial in a third country rather than get invaded by the US, which shows the matter certainly could have been resolved without waging a war of aggression in response to a criminal act. But the Bush regime (and the American people, who are far from the innocent victims this author tries to portray them as) desperately needed to be kicking some foreign butt to distract from what had just happened, so war and the consequent deaths of tens of thousands of innocents was waged.

    By and large the Taliban themselves were always more focussed on their own problems at home than on global jihad. They certainly sympathised with it, and with their co-religionists suffering at the hands of longstanding murderous US interference in the ME in particular, but it's hard to honestly blame them for that.

    And it's far too simplistic to claim in defence of the American people (true though it is) that Americans vote for the candidates promising the humbler foreign policies, and find those candidates embracing war once in office.

    The political process in the US includes primaries, and includes all the Congress and Senate contests, and time after time after time Americans elect open and well established warmongers to office. Both Bush and Obama were re-elected to the presidency after having demonstrated in office that their claims to seek a humbler less war-obsessed foreign policy had been lies.

    Clearly a country that elects and re-elects with colossal majorities the likes of Joe Lieberman, John McCain, Lindsey Graham and many, many others is not an American people who are actually much concerned about their government murdering foreigners en masse.

    “Rather overlooks the reality that the Taliban were quite prepared to hand bin Laden over for trial in a third country rather than get invaded by the US, which shows the matter certainly could have been resolved without waging a war of aggression in response to a criminal act.”

    That is true, but as I posted on another forum when that war was only a year or so old, the Cheney administration didn’t want Bin Laden unless he was already dead because they knew he had nothing to do with the crime. A trial of Bin Laden would have revealed inconvenient facts. Nothing suited the warmongers but war.

    This author also pushes the false meme that has Bin Laden miraculously surviving in Pakistan for years after he would have surely died from renal failure. Maybe he’s just uninformed. This does seem to be his first article posted on Unz.

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    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    "... the Cheney administration didn’t want Bin Laden unless he was already dead because they knew he had nothing to do with the crime. A trial of Bin Laden would have revealed inconvenient facts."
     
    Which is why I've commented a few times that they should have checked OBL's body for freezer burn.
    , @Anonymous
    I've heard it asserted with fanatical certainty that ObL had kidney disease which must have killed him yeats before the raid on Abbottobad but people can survive 20 or even 3 years on dialysis so why not ObL?

    Do you think all or any of the people in the room with President Obama watchimg the raid on the compound at Abbottobad knew that it was just a phiny put up performance for some purpose that announcing the discovery that ObL had died several years before would not have served? (And what was that purpose?).

    As there was a raid on that compound, people were killed and extensive records on paper and computers removed what do you say was going on for several years at that compound?
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  7. @John Gruskos
    Matt is absolutely correct.

    The Taliban supported Al-Qaeda, and Al-Qaeda in turn wants a global Sunni Caliphate which will impose the Sunni interpretation of sharia law onto the entire world.

    The 2001 campaign in Afghanistan was absolutely justified as retaliation for Al-Qaeda terrorist attacks on the American homeland, on American diplomatic outposts, and on the homelands and diplomatic outposts of our European allies.

    But now that our interventionist foreign policy is actually benefiting Al-Qaeda in Syria and Yemen, it is time to bring home all American servicemen, end all economic sanctions, end all foreign aid, and end arms sales to Israel, Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

    This will lead to the destruction of Al-Qaeda's at the hands of their local enemies (Russia, Syria, Iran, and various Shiite and secular nationalist militias).

    We can protect our homeland from radical Sunni terrorists such as Al-Qaeda and ISIS without spending a single dollar or shedding a single drop of blood, if we simply enact an immigration moratorium. They can't hurt us if we don't let them come here.

    John, Al Qaeda is a false construct of US/ Israeli intelligence and seems to be run by the CIA. Your entire comment shows that you watch way too much TV.

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    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/418986-syria-israel-plane-down/
    The article argues that Israel operates as El Quaida's air force in Syria.
    The mess, that has been created, by the west, I fear, in the ME, is beyond all comprehension.
    This mess not only hurts the common people there, but, by causing mass migration, will destroy western civilisation.
    Very cynical people wonder if all this was planned.
    , @jacques sheete

    John, Al Qaeda is a false construct of US/ Israeli intelligence and seems to be run by the CIA. Your entire comment shows that you watch way too much TV.
     
    Not only that he watches too much TV but that he questions and reasons too little.

    He sounds like one of those who places too much trust in the scum at the top and loves paying taxes because "it's proof that I'm making money." (I've heard that more than once from "professional" people!)
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  8. @CalDre

    The Taliban supported Al-Qaeda, and Al-Qaeda in turn wants a global Sunni Caliphate which will impose the Sunni interpretation of sharia law onto the entire world.
     
    Virtually everyone wants a "global system". The Chinese want the world to be more like China; the US (and before it the UK) has been "spreading democracy" (i.e., their satanic "secular humanism" - and before that, allegedly Christianity, but really it has always been their "secular humanism") at gunpoint for many centuries.

    The Sunni caliphate is actually only supposed to reign in areas where Muslims live. It is not a global endeavor, unlike the US' "Communism", which the US tries to impose by force on areas where people are religious and not satanic. Muslims wanting to live under sharia law is about as radical as US Liberals/Communists wanting to live under a neo-liberal democracy. But unlike the vast majority of Sunnis, the vast majority of Liberals do spread their ideology by force and subjugation.

    And the Taliban hardly "supports al Qaeda". The Taliban came into being in the lawless violence of post-Soviet Afghanistan, and their sole goal has always been to establish an Islamic, nationalist government in Afghanistan. Anything else is simply ignorance or dishonesty. Even when the Taliban had complete power prior to Bush' illegal invasion, the Taliban did not interfere in the affairs of other countries. Al Qaeda, on the other hand, is an "Anglo-Zionist" creation, which was formed by Carter and nurtured ever since by the US and the Zionists.

    Matt also writes:


    The Taliban’s striking a disingenuous posture here, acting like they’re standing for sovereignty and identity in this open letter while being as committed as America’s military-industrial lobby to threatening the sovereignty and security of foreign peoples. The Taliban’s aligned with ISIS and Al Qaeda against the Ba’ath Party in Syria, just as they were hostile to Iraq’s Ba’ath Party.
     
    How has the Taliban, exactly, threatened the sovereignty and security of foreign peoples? Despite the large number of Taliban operating in Afghanistan, how many operated in Syria? Indeed, as another commenter noted, the Taliban are fighting ISIS in Afghanistan.

    Now it is true that the so-called "Pakistan Taliban" sent some forces to Afghanistan. But "Taliban" really just means "student", the Afghani Taliban have no monopoly on that name. The Pakistan Taliban are not affiliated with the Afghani Taliban, though they do fight the foreign satanic invaders in Afghanistan (the US thug troops who fight for secular humanism / Satan and who loathe God/Allah). But then again, even the Satanic invaders are fighting alongside ISIS and al-Qaeda/al-Nusra Front in Syria, and supporting al Qaeda in Yemen, among other places.

    All good points, CalDre. It looks as though Matt Parrot is getting his buns toasted the first time his stuff was posted here.

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  9. We should have supported the Soviets in Afghanistan instead of opposing them. We could’ve given them enough intelligence data to help the Russkis wipe out those so-called freedom fighters and their quest for a new Dark Ages.

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    The Islamists were built up by the US. The objective was to draw Soviets into Afghanistan. When Soviets moved in to help Soviet friendly secular regime Brzezinski considered it his greatest accomplishment.

    Pumping up Islamist was nothing new. In 1950s Muslim Brotherhood was supported by CIA to destabilize Nasser in Egypt.
    , @Talha
    That would have required a complete genocide; while the US certainly helped arm and train the Afghani resistance, in no way did they create it. The sentiment to kick out the Russians and the native communist government they supported was widespread among Afghans. The best book on the subject of the nature of the resistance is by Olivier Roy who is a top tier researcher of jihadi movements and political Islamist groups:
    https://www.amazon.com/Resistance-Afghanistan-Cambridge-Middle-Library/dp/0521397006

    Peace.
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  10. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Breaking News: 13 Russians have been indicted for ringing doorbells and running.

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    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    It indeed is a comedy.
    The USA interferes and did interfere in many countries, if spending money there did not help, in the end military force was used, or will be used, Iran.
    The CIA spent five billion dollars in Ukraine, and yet, the prize, E Ukraine, still is not in USA hands.
    E Ukraine is the mineral region, epecially gas, that we must not use, CO2 emission.
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  11. @Randal
    Rather overlooks the reality that the Taliban were quite prepared to hand bin Laden over for trial in a third country rather than get invaded by the US, which shows the matter certainly could have been resolved without waging a war of aggression in response to a criminal act. But the Bush regime (and the American people, who are far from the innocent victims this author tries to portray them as) desperately needed to be kicking some foreign butt to distract from what had just happened, so war and the consequent deaths of tens of thousands of innocents was waged.

    By and large the Taliban themselves were always more focussed on their own problems at home than on global jihad. They certainly sympathised with it, and with their co-religionists suffering at the hands of longstanding murderous US interference in the ME in particular, but it's hard to honestly blame them for that.

    And it's far too simplistic to claim in defence of the American people (true though it is) that Americans vote for the candidates promising the humbler foreign policies, and find those candidates embracing war once in office.

    The political process in the US includes primaries, and includes all the Congress and Senate contests, and time after time after time Americans elect open and well established warmongers to office. Both Bush and Obama were re-elected to the presidency after having demonstrated in office that their claims to seek a humbler less war-obsessed foreign policy had been lies.

    Clearly a country that elects and re-elects with colossal majorities the likes of Joe Lieberman, John McCain, Lindsey Graham and many, many others is not an American people who are actually much concerned about their government murdering foreigners en masse.

    The truth is that Muslims even at the beginning of their conquests there was never forced enrollment
    by Muslim authorities. All Muslims in every conquest were volunteers.

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    This "Ilyana" is an apparent prankster, with an affected Russian accent. Go to Mr. Buchanan's column published here on Groundhog Day, and see comment thread 32/36/41/43.

    I may share this again from time to time in the (faint) hope of preventing "Ilyana" from glopping up worthwhile discussion.
    , @Steve-o
    Tell that to the Janessaries, Ghilmans, and Mamelukes.
    , @Talha
    No, this is not historically accurate. The Muslim world certainly had plenty of volunteers in its expansionary wars, but one cannot forget it fine-tuned and made extensive use of the institution of highly trained, professional, slave soldiers. Medeival military historian, Prof. David Nicolle, considered the Mamluk Askari to be the best pound-for-pound force of that era.

    Peace.

    , @Jake
    And that includes the little girls married to old men and the little boys buggered so the men might avoid committing adultery with women.

    That's what comes from a religion founded by a desert pirate rapist and murderer.
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  12. Bill Jones says: • Website

    You are full of shit. The Afghan government was willing to turn over Bin Laden just as soon as the US showed any evidence he had anything to with 9/11
    The.crap never ends, does it?

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    Of course the US never turned over any evidence because the Jews did 9-11.
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  13. Paolo says:

    Whoever buys into the official “Osama Bin Laden” 9/11 story is basically an idiot.

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    Whoever buys into the official “Osama Bin Laden” 9/11 story is basically an idiot.

     

    That's it in a nutshell. End of story.
    , @Sam J.
    +100%
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  14. utu says:
    @Fidelios Automata
    We should have supported the Soviets in Afghanistan instead of opposing them. We could've given them enough intelligence data to help the Russkis wipe out those so-called freedom fighters and their quest for a new Dark Ages.

    The Islamists were built up by the US. The objective was to draw Soviets into Afghanistan. When Soviets moved in to help Soviet friendly secular regime Brzezinski considered it his greatest accomplishment.

    Pumping up Islamist was nothing new. In 1950s Muslim Brotherhood was supported by CIA to destabilize Nasser in Egypt.

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  15. I for a long time wondered what the USA was doing in Afghanistan.
    I discovered that the country is abundant in lithium.
    Likewise the now ‘independent’ state of Kosovo is the region in Europe richest in all kinds of minerals.

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    If Lockheed and Boeing are going to build drones they need someplace to use the.
    , @Anonymous
    What connection do you make between US policy and actions and Lithium, with particular reference to Lithium and Afghanistan? May I suggest you read the long Wikipedia article on Lithium so you can give a somewhat informed answer. Apparently thete is no prospective shortsge of Lithium and.Afghanistan isn't even listed as one of the many countries with reserves. Perhaps, however, you have been prompted by a distant memory of this 2010 NYT article

    https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html?pagewanted=1&hp

    Anything more up to date?

    As for Kosovo, wht re you saying?
    , @JustJeff
    Yeah cause a country that’s one giant war zone is ideal for large scale mining operations.
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  16. @Anon
    Breaking News: 13 Russians have been indicted for ringing doorbells and running.

    It indeed is a comedy.
    The USA interferes and did interfere in many countries, if spending money there did not help, in the end military force was used, or will be used, Iran.
    The CIA spent five billion dollars in Ukraine, and yet, the prize, E Ukraine, still is not in USA hands.
    E Ukraine is the mineral region, epecially gas, that we must not use, CO2 emission.

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  17. Etienne says: • Website

    Sorry, Matt, it’s not at all funny.

    It’s kind of funny in itself that we have to be reminded that we’re still fighting a land war in Asia. With hostilities and exercises increasing along the DMZ, American troops “embedded” with Al Qaeda and the YPG all over Syria, several thousand troops remaining in Iraq, and an order of magnitude more special forces “advisors” and private military contractors scattered about the Ukraine, Yemen, and God knows where else, …forgive us for losing track.

    Sarcasm applied to what I take as an earnest effort towards communication is not really appreciated by this reader. There is absolutely nothing funny or amusing about US citizens’ ignorance of anything going on these days.

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  18. @Twodees Partain
    John, Al Qaeda is a false construct of US/ Israeli intelligence and seems to be run by the CIA. Your entire comment shows that you watch way too much TV.

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/418986-syria-israel-plane-down/

    The article argues that Israel operates as El Quaida’s air force in Syria.
    The mess, that has been created, by the west, I fear, in the ME, is beyond all comprehension.
    This mess not only hurts the common people there, but, by causing mass migration, will destroy western civilisation.
    Very cynical people wonder if all this was planned.

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    Thanks, and it fits with the way that US military vehicles were also made available to extract ISIS fighters from trouble spots. I doubt that there would even have been anything like Al Quaeda if it had been up to the muzztards to form it themselves.
    , @Sam J.
    "...The mess, that has been created, by the west, I fear, in the ME, is beyond all comprehension..."

    It's not beyond my comprehension. The Jews did 9-11 to tie us up in their plan for a greater Israel to be won by attacking their neighbors and splitting them in smaller sectarian pieces. I mean they wrote a paper outlining the whole thing. Didn't you see it?? I bet you did and in actuality the whole reason for your comment is to confuse people from the real culprits, the Jews.

    This is why we need to get rid of the Jews and never again allow them in our country or have anything to do with our affairs. Continuous lies, attacks and blatant distortions of the truth. It becomes so tiresome. We would be a happy, wonderful and progressive country if we just got rid of the Jews.
    , @Druid
    Of course this was all planned. Yinon, etc. the Zios and the neocons are all behind this.
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  19. If you were to walk up to the average American on the street and ask him if he thinks America should be imposing its system and values on foreigners, he would tell you that we need to fix our own country and its worsening problems before trying to save the rest of the world from itself.

    Not true, unfortunately, at least in my experience.

    Also, appealing to the American people is futile; they are in no position to make their preferences stick and that’s because the system was designed for the benefit of the ruling “elite” and to exclude the people.

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    Not true, unfortunately, at least in my experience.
     
    I think there is in fact a sizable (and growing) number of Americans, myself included, who genuinely oppose our rulers' warmongering and "regime changing" just on principle, but indeed, sadly, I think American non-interventionists do need to accept that a large portion of our fellow average citizens do enthusiastically support it. These tend to be mainstream conservatives who rely on MSM outlets for their information and swallow the propaganda hook, line & sinker. But I think that for many of them, their support comes not necessarily just from some coarse, general hatred of foreigners but rather as a political/social badge of identification. They support the wars because their domestic political opponents (usually people on the Left) tend to oppose them, because they believe it's the "patriotic" thing to do, and that those Democrats who oppose the wars are disrespecting our troops who "defend our freedom" and so on and so forth (and similarly, those on the Left often oppose the wars primarily because it's what's politically expected of them and because their opponents on the mainstream Right tend to support them). It's just another symptom of the increasing political polarization among Americans between the mainstream "left" and "right," just as our masters desire.
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  20. @John Gruskos
    Matt is absolutely correct.

    The Taliban supported Al-Qaeda, and Al-Qaeda in turn wants a global Sunni Caliphate which will impose the Sunni interpretation of sharia law onto the entire world.

    The 2001 campaign in Afghanistan was absolutely justified as retaliation for Al-Qaeda terrorist attacks on the American homeland, on American diplomatic outposts, and on the homelands and diplomatic outposts of our European allies.

    But now that our interventionist foreign policy is actually benefiting Al-Qaeda in Syria and Yemen, it is time to bring home all American servicemen, end all economic sanctions, end all foreign aid, and end arms sales to Israel, Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

    This will lead to the destruction of Al-Qaeda's at the hands of their local enemies (Russia, Syria, Iran, and various Shiite and secular nationalist militias).

    We can protect our homeland from radical Sunni terrorists such as Al-Qaeda and ISIS without spending a single dollar or shedding a single drop of blood, if we simply enact an immigration moratorium. They can't hurt us if we don't let them come here.

    The Taliban supported Al-Qaeda, and Al-Qaeda in turn wants a global Sunni Caliphate which will impose the Sunni interpretation of sharia law onto the entire world.

    Credible sources, please.

    Speaking of control, chew on this a bit.:

    ”Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.

    Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.”According to Yosef, death has “no dominion” over non-Jews in Israel.

    “Hate the Gentile!” Israel’s Racist Rabbis, by JONATHAN COOK

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/12/10/israel-s-racist-rabbis/

    You may be looking for hate in all the wrong places, cowboy!

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    That's it. That's the plan
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  21. @Twodees Partain
    John, Al Qaeda is a false construct of US/ Israeli intelligence and seems to be run by the CIA. Your entire comment shows that you watch way too much TV.

    John, Al Qaeda is a false construct of US/ Israeli intelligence and seems to be run by the CIA. Your entire comment shows that you watch way too much TV.

    Not only that he watches too much TV but that he questions and reasons too little.

    He sounds like one of those who places too much trust in the scum at the top and loves paying taxes because “it’s proof that I’m making money.” (I’ve heard that more than once from “professional” people!)

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    True, people who get their information from TV are misinformed to the extent that there's simply no way of reaching them. TV must be hypnotic, or something similar. My wife has progressed in her TV addiction to keeping a TV on in the bedroom all night while she sleeps.

    I've moved into one of the guest bedrooms.
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  22. @Paolo
    Whoever buys into the official “Osama Bin Laden” 9/11 story is basically an idiot.

    Whoever buys into the official “Osama Bin Laden” 9/11 story is basically an idiot.

    That’s it in a nutshell. End of story.

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  23. Jake says:

    “The problem here is that these Islamists are just as globalist as the Zionists. The Taliban’s striking a disingenuous posture here, acting like they’re standing for sovereignty and identity in this open letter while being as committed as America’s military-industrial lobby to threatening the sovereignty and security of foreign peoples. The Taliban’s aligned with ISIS and Al Qaeda against the Ba’ath Party in Syria, just as they were hostile to Iraq’s Ba’ath Party.”

    Perhaps the most important stupidity of our Middle East policy is highlighted above.

    And it should draw attention back to the fact that Jews are suicidal. Jews, when free to acquire massive wealth and attendant political power, invariably push all envelopes until the blowback hits with a vengeance.

    They do so because they have chosen anti-Christ, and being the race from which the Messias would spring, it makes them crazy as all Hell. They are desperate to prove that their choosing anti-Christ cannot be bad, much less damnable. Thus they push the envelope, cursing God the Father to prove they are indeed the ever beloved Chosen Race that must be saved no matter what evil it perpetrates.

    Anglosphere Evangelicals, the spawn of the arch-Judaizing heretics the Anglo-Saxon Puritans, invariably blubber that because Jews are the permanent Chosen Race, God will always save them and bless them, and likewise that God will curse those who fail to bow to Jewish desires to lead and acquire.

    History declares that Judaizing Anglosphere Evangelicals have it backwards. Those who aid the Jews in their evil deeds eventually are caught up in the inevitable blowback

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    "...And it should draw attention back to the fact that Jews are suicidal. Jews, when free to acquire massive wealth and attendant political power, invariably push all envelopes until the blowback hits with a vengeance..."

    It's absolutely true. They have little control over themselves. I don't think they can help it.

    It's like their comments here. It's a lot of the same Hasbara and it's amazing they keep telling the same lies and trying the same worn verbal tricks to change the subject or pretend that it anyone but the Jews that is responsible for our present path.

    I think if we don't get rid of them they will eventually try to murder us like the did the Russians. Never give your arms because there's not enough of them to matter if we're armed.

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  24. Jake says:

    “In many ways, the Islamists and the Zionists deserve each other, and it’s in the rest of the peace-loving world’s interest that the two remain at one another’s throats.”

    They are half brothers who hate each other with an unrelenting passion.

    The only other thing they hate at least as much as they hate each other is Christendom. Even the memory of Christendom. And certainly any possibility of its revival.

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  25. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Say what you want about what actually happened on 9/11, but Al Qaeda took ownership and OBL was tight with the Taliban.

    Soneone’s been watching too much CNN.

    The Taliban and the Afghan govt were willing to turn over OBL if the US would produce the ‘white paper’ sleazebag Colin Powell said they had with the slam-dunk evidence that OBL and al CIA Duh did 9/11 and if they could agree on a neutral 3rd nation for a fair trial.

    Imagine that, the Taliban insisting on a fair trail instead of a American kangaroo court.

    Bush refused to produce the evidence and as planned, they started bombing the crap out of Afghanistan, then onto Iraq, then Libya, now Syria and if the Zionists running the USG and Israel get their way, we’ll soon be bombing Iran.

    But at least those US troop protected poppy fields are safe!

    P.S. Are you the same Matt Parrott the ADL is so hot and bothered about?

    https://www.adl.org/education/resources/backgrounders/traditionalist-youth-network

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  26. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    The truth is that Muslims even at the beginning of their conquests there was never forced enrollment
    by Muslim authorities. All Muslims in every conquest were volunteers.

    This “Ilyana” is an apparent prankster, with an affected Russian accent. Go to Mr. Buchanan’s column published here on Groundhog Day, and see comment thread 32/36/41/43.

    I may share this again from time to time in the (faint) hope of preventing “Ilyana” from glopping up worthwhile discussion.

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    Please give an easier and more direct reference or link to use. Prankster sounds right from just this thread.
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  27. Steve-o says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    The truth is that Muslims even at the beginning of their conquests there was never forced enrollment
    by Muslim authorities. All Muslims in every conquest were volunteers.

    Tell that to the Janessaries, Ghilmans, and Mamelukes.

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    Right on. As a Balkan subject myself, they used to tell us stories when we were kids, about how the Turks would come to a village and steal the most impressive physical specimens from their families.

    And while taken away, their mothers will yell their Christian names to their boys – not to forget who they are. Yeah, right, like that would have helped any. The Ottoman empire was genocidal from start to finish and it just cracks me up when the Turks complain about the Armenian genocide being branded as such. Sensitive people, those Turks.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Janissary-corps
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  28. theMann says:

    “But following the American invasion of Afghanistan, poppy cultivation skyrocketed from 185 hectors to 328,000 hectors while under the shadow of seventeen year occupation, ”

    And that is 100% of the reason we remain in Afghanistan. How many plane loads of opium a week fly out of Afghanistan, who protects them, and where do the profits go?

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  29. Talha says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    The truth is that Muslims even at the beginning of their conquests there was never forced enrollment
    by Muslim authorities. All Muslims in every conquest were volunteers.

    No, this is not historically accurate. The Muslim world certainly had plenty of volunteers in its expansionary wars, but one cannot forget it fine-tuned and made extensive use of the institution of highly trained, professional, slave soldiers. Medeival military historian, Prof. David Nicolle, considered the Mamluk Askari to be the best pound-for-pound force of that era.

    Peace.

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  30. The war in Afghanistan is being fought to protect the poppy fields for the CIA and the MOSSAD and MI6, and the war on terror is an excuse using the 911 attack which was done by the Israel and the deep state dual citizen neocons who rule every facet of the U.S. gov. to continue this war, and this war will last forever.

    Zionists rule America and have destroyed the America that I once knew and proof of this zionist rule is that they did 911 and got away with it.

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    Troll. But for whom or what?
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  31. Renoman says:

    America has been backing the wrong horse. The Russians could have been hired to do all their dirty work and it would have been cheaper and more efficient that hiring the Islamic clowns. look at the great job they did in Syria. Make friends with Russia, they have lots of resources, they are run by white folks who know how to get things done and are criminal enough to be able to tell the lefties where to get off. America and Russia would make a Hell of a team!

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  32. @Twodees Partain
    "Rather overlooks the reality that the Taliban were quite prepared to hand bin Laden over for trial in a third country rather than get invaded by the US, which shows the matter certainly could have been resolved without waging a war of aggression in response to a criminal act."

    That is true, but as I posted on another forum when that war was only a year or so old, the Cheney administration didn't want Bin Laden unless he was already dead because they knew he had nothing to do with the crime. A trial of Bin Laden would have revealed inconvenient facts. Nothing suited the warmongers but war.

    This author also pushes the false meme that has Bin Laden miraculously surviving in Pakistan for years after he would have surely died from renal failure. Maybe he's just uninformed. This does seem to be his first article posted on Unz.

    “… the Cheney administration didn’t want Bin Laden unless he was already dead because they knew he had nothing to do with the crime. A trial of Bin Laden would have revealed inconvenient facts.”

    Which is why I’ve commented a few times that they should have checked OBL’s body for freezer burn.

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    Maybe freezer burn was what prompted the decision for the burial at sea.
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  33. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Cutsey piece of shit, but good propaganda value. Spread disability far and wide with snark.

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  34. @jilles dykstra
    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/418986-syria-israel-plane-down/
    The article argues that Israel operates as El Quaida's air force in Syria.
    The mess, that has been created, by the west, I fear, in the ME, is beyond all comprehension.
    This mess not only hurts the common people there, but, by causing mass migration, will destroy western civilisation.
    Very cynical people wonder if all this was planned.

    Thanks, and it fits with the way that US military vehicles were also made available to extract ISIS fighters from trouble spots. I doubt that there would even have been anything like Al Quaeda if it had been up to the muzztards to form it themselves.

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  35. @jacques sheete

    John, Al Qaeda is a false construct of US/ Israeli intelligence and seems to be run by the CIA. Your entire comment shows that you watch way too much TV.
     
    Not only that he watches too much TV but that he questions and reasons too little.

    He sounds like one of those who places too much trust in the scum at the top and loves paying taxes because "it's proof that I'm making money." (I've heard that more than once from "professional" people!)

    True, people who get their information from TV are misinformed to the extent that there’s simply no way of reaching them. TV must be hypnotic, or something similar. My wife has progressed in her TV addiction to keeping a TV on in the bedroom all night while she sleeps.

    I’ve moved into one of the guest bedrooms.

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  36. “The 21st century belongs to those who are allied together against fanatical imperialists of all stripes”. Let’s not forget to add Putin to that list.

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    lolz. The most powerful weapon is between your ears. The fake war on terror could only happen with fake news. The media is the weapon of fanatical imperialists. When the time comes to start a big war you are told who the bad guys are. Only then can the super rich start a big war for profit at the expense of the middle class. The war of terror was bombing America's middle class heavily by 2008. Explosions of poverty all over the suburbs.

    Today, the progressives are busy preparing their liberal flock to embrace Trump at War. Trump made a big mistake upping the ante in Afghanistan. Time to leave. No one wants the US troops there except big corporations mining precious metals and corrupt Afghan politicians taking bribes from those corporations. Everyone else wants them gone, including the majority of Americans.

    We will see more articles from Tom's Dispatch stressing how important it is to win over evil, and be responsible, mature and thrifty about our military when it engages in killing sprees. These ideas will be broadcast over social media for you.

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  37. “Let’s not forget to add Putin to that list.”

    This comment is probably typical of your average American, so deep in the Matrix that there is little hope for them. To be so certain is comforting; certain that this Putin is a bad guy, certain your country is the good guy, and certain your tax dollars are going to good use.

    I hate to offer the black pill, but I have little hope for our country, or the world, especially the white European world. There is ample evidence that a minority of thoughtful people have woken up and begun to question what’s going on, but there’s ample evidence that the majority are still controlled by popular culture and the MSM, and don’t even want to examine it.

    The only thing I’m certain of is that there is little I can be certain of. I don’t know what to make of Putin, really, but I don’t believe he’s a fanatical imperialist. No, the fanatical imperialists are not Russian, and not really American, but are globalists, though their HQ is in Washington.

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    "... hate to offer the black pill, but I have little hope for our country..."

    Don't lose hope. Things get stuck in one pattern until...they aren't. Germany was way more controlled than the US is now. They also had no internet. There was very little alternate information like we have now. The Jews have destroyed their big blowing horn mouthpiece the mass media. NO ONE BELIEVES THEM. I mean no one, no one really believes them. They may use it as a reference but deep down Trump and their attacks on him have failed.[Not that I'm a total Trump fan boy but he has done us some favors]. I think a lot of people are just not sure yet what the truth is but they know whatever the media and the government are telling them isn't it. These things seem to happen very quickly. One day it's all moving along then the whole system falls apart all at once. If the economy crashes make sure and tell everyone you can that the Jews are responsible, because they are.

    That's why I'm always saying we need to get rid of the Jews. It's coming. They've been thrown out of every single country they've been to in any numbers. It's just a matter of time.
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  38. You would have been better to have just posted the letter real or manufactured. Your narratives are full of speculative supportive accusation.

    The groups we of as Al Qaeda is not the Al Qaeda that helped that aided Afghanistan in their fight against the Soviets. Linking them to Al Qaeda’s larger objectives against the royal family in Saudi Arabia, the US and others is an inaccurate description of their agenda. Which was local, regional and National with the the borders of Afghanistan.

    They had nothing to do with 9/11. Nor is there any evidence that they supported the attack. jumping the gun about was essentially a extradition issue was a mistake.

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  39. Talha says:
    @Fidelios Automata
    We should have supported the Soviets in Afghanistan instead of opposing them. We could've given them enough intelligence data to help the Russkis wipe out those so-called freedom fighters and their quest for a new Dark Ages.

    That would have required a complete genocide; while the US certainly helped arm and train the Afghani resistance, in no way did they create it. The sentiment to kick out the Russians and the native communist government they supported was widespread among Afghans. The best book on the subject of the nature of the resistance is by Olivier Roy who is a top tier researcher of jihadi movements and political Islamist groups:

    https://www.amazon.com/Resistance-Afghanistan-Cambridge-Middle-Library/dp/0521397006

    Peace.

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  40. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Michael Kenny
    "The 21st century belongs to those who are allied together against fanatical imperialists of all stripes". Let's not forget to add Putin to that list.

    lolz. The most powerful weapon is between your ears. The fake war on terror could only happen with fake news. The media is the weapon of fanatical imperialists. When the time comes to start a big war you are told who the bad guys are. Only then can the super rich start a big war for profit at the expense of the middle class. The war of terror was bombing America’s middle class heavily by 2008. Explosions of poverty all over the suburbs.

    Today, the progressives are busy preparing their liberal flock to embrace Trump at War. Trump made a big mistake upping the ante in Afghanistan. Time to leave. No one wants the US troops there except big corporations mining precious metals and corrupt Afghan politicians taking bribes from those corporations. Everyone else wants them gone, including the majority of Americans.

    We will see more articles from Tom’s Dispatch stressing how important it is to win over evil, and be responsible, mature and thrifty about our military when it engages in killing sprees. These ideas will be broadcast over social media for you.

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  41. KA says:

    Good article . Onion could have shared the dark humor but Onion is gone now . The truth of the matter is the multilayered deceptions wrapping American globe . Some are inside trapped , some are outside seeing themselves devoured . No escape.

    But author has failed to remind one fact. He has managed to dig up a lot ,but has not the one meme that generated all other . It came out just before 1st Gulf war when Americans trivialized the Iraqi civilians’s lives ,powerlessness ,victimhood and utter impotence by demanding that it was the responsibility of the Iraqis to throw him (Saddam ) out .

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  42. Jake says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    The truth is that Muslims even at the beginning of their conquests there was never forced enrollment
    by Muslim authorities. All Muslims in every conquest were volunteers.

    And that includes the little girls married to old men and the little boys buggered so the men might avoid committing adultery with women.

    That’s what comes from a religion founded by a desert pirate rapist and murderer.

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  43. KenH says:
    @Talha
    Generally good take, but there is no evidence the Taliban have designs beyond their borders. They are at war with ISIS currently- a quick search on google will confirm this through plenty of legitimate sources.

    You’re probably right. The last I checked ISIS was trying to make inroads into Afghanistan much to the consternation of the Taliban. The Taliban was reportedly targeting ISIS members in Afghanistan they knew about. Things may have changed but I haven’t come across or looked for any information in at least six months relating to this state of affairs.

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    The Taliban is doing respectably well in establishing sovereignty widely in certain districts. They are basically waiting for the latest batch of invaders to get tired and go home.

    The last thing they need is an apocalyptic cult that wants to establish their own sovereignty and will bring international heat with it with more awesomeness beheading videos.

    Peace.
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  44. Talha says:
    @KenH
    You're probably right. The last I checked ISIS was trying to make inroads into Afghanistan much to the consternation of the Taliban. The Taliban was reportedly targeting ISIS members in Afghanistan they knew about. Things may have changed but I haven't come across or looked for any information in at least six months relating to this state of affairs.

    The Taliban is doing respectably well in establishing sovereignty widely in certain districts. They are basically waiting for the latest batch of invaders to get tired and go home.

    The last thing they need is an apocalyptic cult that wants to establish their own sovereignty and will bring international heat with it with more awesomeness beheading videos.

    Peace.

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    Aren't you oversimplifying things a bit? Aren't yhe Taliban nearly all Pashtun? And isn't a Taliban government likely to face the same non-Pashtun enemies as before? Couldn't many outsiders continue to keep Afghanistan mired in civil inter ethnic war?
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  45. KenH says:
    @Randal
    Rather overlooks the reality that the Taliban were quite prepared to hand bin Laden over for trial in a third country rather than get invaded by the US, which shows the matter certainly could have been resolved without waging a war of aggression in response to a criminal act. But the Bush regime (and the American people, who are far from the innocent victims this author tries to portray them as) desperately needed to be kicking some foreign butt to distract from what had just happened, so war and the consequent deaths of tens of thousands of innocents was waged.

    By and large the Taliban themselves were always more focussed on their own problems at home than on global jihad. They certainly sympathised with it, and with their co-religionists suffering at the hands of longstanding murderous US interference in the ME in particular, but it's hard to honestly blame them for that.

    And it's far too simplistic to claim in defence of the American people (true though it is) that Americans vote for the candidates promising the humbler foreign policies, and find those candidates embracing war once in office.

    The political process in the US includes primaries, and includes all the Congress and Senate contests, and time after time after time Americans elect open and well established warmongers to office. Both Bush and Obama were re-elected to the presidency after having demonstrated in office that their claims to seek a humbler less war-obsessed foreign policy had been lies.

    Clearly a country that elects and re-elects with colossal majorities the likes of Joe Lieberman, John McCain, Lindsey Graham and many, many others is not an American people who are actually much concerned about their government murdering foreigners en masse.

    Rather overlooks the reality that the Taliban were quite prepared to hand bin Laden over for trial in a third country

    I don’t recall them being eager and willing to unconditionally hand Bin Laden over on a silver platter. I recall they were willing to hand him over only if the U.S. could provide evidence of his involvement in the 9-11 attacks which we never did.

    Both Bush and Obama were re-elected to the presidency after having demonstrated in office that their claims to seek a humbler less war-obsessed foreign policy had been lies.

    Except in the case of the 2012 election it was a contest between less war Obama vs. more war Mittens Romney, but war nonetheless. Romney announced that Middle East policy would be crafted to conform to the wishes of Bibi Nutanyahoo, a plan that Trump has now put into practice.

    The American people have little real power to exercise and have been largely disenfranchised, so the average voter only deserves a portion of the blame. Most true anti-war candidates get vanquished during the primaries for lack of special interest funding (MIC, AIPAC) and media support which are the two groups driving our foreign policy as well as lack of support from the party bosses who are always Israel firsters.

    Also, candidates don’t advertise that they are pro-war and usually just claim to support the troops and the military. Then you have some pro-war Congressman and Senators that from a white person’s perspective are good on immigration, the second amendment and against SJW madness, but stridently support every military misadventure which puts the white voter in between a rock and a hard spot because the alternative is usually an anti-white leftist radical who’s also an illegal aline loving, war supporting liberal interventionist.

    The choices are few for the hapless American voters.

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  46. Art says:
    @anonymous
    "Look, Taliban. We voted in 2008, 2012, and 2016 for the candidates who promised the most humble foreign policy."

    Only if one restricted his choice to Red/Blue. But in that regard, you can include 2000. Remember Mr. Bush's promises about not nation building?

    "We’re pulling the democracy lever, but the lever’s broken."

    Which is why I stopped voting for any USG office altogether after 2012.

    “Look, Taliban. We voted in 2008, 2012, and 2016 for the candidates who promised the most humble foreign policy.”

    Is that not rock-solid proof that there is a deep state controlling our foreign policy – and that the deep state is working for Israel?

    No matter for whom we vote, we get Israel inspired wars.

    We are now building military building in Syria – how did that happen? Was that openly debated in congress – NO. Did the JMSM advise the American public of this – NO.

    Thanks to US Jews – Peace does not have chance in America.

    Think Peace — Art

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  47. Our military is heavily overdeployed which dishonors and harms those who serve and does not support American interests.

    However – it is high charity to dismiss the Taliban as clowns.

    They are not deserved the dignity of a response, or the time associated with it. You do not answer the Taliban with dignity. To know dignity is to know this.

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    Wait a second here. Are you trying to say that Reagan was wrong when he said that the "Talibans are moral equivalents of America's founding fathers"

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2014/06/06/these-gentlemen-are-the-moral-equivalent-of-americas-founding-fathers/
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  48. Cyrano says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    Our military is heavily overdeployed which dishonors and harms those who serve and does not support American interests.

    However - it is high charity to dismiss the Taliban as clowns.

    They are not deserved the dignity of a response, or the time associated with it. You do not answer the Taliban with dignity. To know dignity is to know this.

    Wait a second here. Are you trying to say that Reagan was wrong when he said that the “Talibans are moral equivalents of America’s founding fathers”

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2014/06/06/these-gentlemen-are-the-moral-equivalent-of-americas-founding-fathers/

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    lol
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  49. Cyrano says:
    @Steve-o
    Tell that to the Janessaries, Ghilmans, and Mamelukes.

    Right on. As a Balkan subject myself, they used to tell us stories when we were kids, about how the Turks would come to a village and steal the most impressive physical specimens from their families.

    And while taken away, their mothers will yell their Christian names to their boys – not to forget who they are. Yeah, right, like that would have helped any. The Ottoman empire was genocidal from start to finish and it just cracks me up when the Turks complain about the Armenian genocide being branded as such. Sensitive people, those Turks.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Janissary-corps

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    Appearances are can be deceptive . But using the poor against their wishes have been well perfected by British US and Europeans . Since poor soul was not always there to begin with,the poor brigade had to be created out of the ashes of gun powder or phosphorus by destroying their economies and livelihood. ISIS is the result of Bremer-Kissinger-Cheney-Feith polices . Now these "Janissary" carry out the jobs that American born white native would have been instead ,if these IS were not available .They are being ferried across deserts and seas to cause mayhem from Philippines to Mali .

    Nobody will ever accuse US or the European ancestors of missing or lacking in ideas , reasons and logic . They have through wordsmithing generated so many buzz words and talking points that one semester in university will not do the justice .One needs few years to unmask the culture ,science ,economic,and psychology underpinning it . Al Quida janissary was transferred to Baku Azerbaijan in 1990 to topple the 1st President . These janissary ,nurtured and cultured and marinated by the stew that was half Saudi and half American in making , have never balked at the idea off carrying out massacre here and there to suit US interests . Before their creations, there were destructions .

    Merecnaries or volunteer army from Central America ,Sub Sahara Africa join US army or US run corporate army because the countries they come from have been eviscerated and emptied off -both figuratively and materially by US and Europeans for last 300 years.

    , @Druid
    And those youngsters became educated, or Janisseries, and many gained great power in the Ottoman Empire
    , @Druid
    And those youngsters became educated, or Janisseries, and many gained great power in the Ottoman Empire
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  50. @jilles dykstra
    I for a long time wondered what the USA was doing in Afghanistan.
    I discovered that the country is abundant in lithium.
    Likewise the now 'independent' state of Kosovo is the region in Europe richest in all kinds of minerals.

    If Lockheed and Boeing are going to build drones they need someplace to use the.

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  51. @The Alarmist

    "... the Cheney administration didn’t want Bin Laden unless he was already dead because they knew he had nothing to do with the crime. A trial of Bin Laden would have revealed inconvenient facts."
     
    Which is why I've commented a few times that they should have checked OBL's body for freezer burn.

    Maybe freezer burn was what prompted the decision for the burial at sea.

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  52. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Twodees Partain
    "Rather overlooks the reality that the Taliban were quite prepared to hand bin Laden over for trial in a third country rather than get invaded by the US, which shows the matter certainly could have been resolved without waging a war of aggression in response to a criminal act."

    That is true, but as I posted on another forum when that war was only a year or so old, the Cheney administration didn't want Bin Laden unless he was already dead because they knew he had nothing to do with the crime. A trial of Bin Laden would have revealed inconvenient facts. Nothing suited the warmongers but war.

    This author also pushes the false meme that has Bin Laden miraculously surviving in Pakistan for years after he would have surely died from renal failure. Maybe he's just uninformed. This does seem to be his first article posted on Unz.

    I’ve heard it asserted with fanatical certainty that ObL had kidney disease which must have killed him yeats before the raid on Abbottobad but people can survive 20 or even 3 years on dialysis so why not ObL?

    Do you think all or any of the people in the room with President Obama watchimg the raid on the compound at Abbottobad knew that it was just a phiny put up performance for some purpose that announcing the discovery that ObL had died several years before would not have served? (And what was that purpose?).

    As there was a raid on that compound, people were killed and extensive records on paper and computers removed what do you say was going on for several years at that compound?

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  53. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra
    I for a long time wondered what the USA was doing in Afghanistan.
    I discovered that the country is abundant in lithium.
    Likewise the now 'independent' state of Kosovo is the region in Europe richest in all kinds of minerals.

    What connection do you make between US policy and actions and Lithium, with particular reference to Lithium and Afghanistan? May I suggest you read the long Wikipedia article on Lithium so you can give a somewhat informed answer. Apparently thete is no prospective shortsge of Lithium and.Afghanistan isn’t even listed as one of the many countries with reserves. Perhaps, however, you have been prompted by a distant memory of this 2010 NYT article

    https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html?pagewanted=1&hp

    Anything more up to date?

    As for Kosovo, wht re you saying?

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  54. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @DESERT FOX
    The war in Afghanistan is being fought to protect the poppy fields for the CIA and the MOSSAD and MI6, and the war on terror is an excuse using the 911 attack which was done by the Israel and the deep state dual citizen neocons who rule every facet of the U.S. gov. to continue this war, and this war will last forever.

    Zionists rule America and have destroyed the America that I once knew and proof of this zionist rule is that they did 911 and got away with it.

    Troll. But for whom or what?

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  55. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    This "Ilyana" is an apparent prankster, with an affected Russian accent. Go to Mr. Buchanan's column published here on Groundhog Day, and see comment thread 32/36/41/43.

    I may share this again from time to time in the (faint) hope of preventing "Ilyana" from glopping up worthwhile discussion.

    Please give an easier and more direct reference or link to use. Prankster sounds right from just this thread.

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    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/a-never-trump-press-in-near-panic/

    see comment thread 32/36/41/43.

    Please then tell us what you think.
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  56. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha
    The Taliban is doing respectably well in establishing sovereignty widely in certain districts. They are basically waiting for the latest batch of invaders to get tired and go home.

    The last thing they need is an apocalyptic cult that wants to establish their own sovereignty and will bring international heat with it with more awesomeness beheading videos.

    Peace.

    Aren’t you oversimplifying things a bit? Aren’t yhe Taliban nearly all Pashtun? And isn’t a Taliban government likely to face the same non-Pashtun enemies as before? Couldn’t many outsiders continue to keep Afghanistan mired in civil inter ethnic war?

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    Which is why I said certain districts. And yes they will likely face some opposition, but before 9/11 they had control of 90-95% of their country, so yeah - it’s just a matter of time. If they learned their lesson from the first time, they will go the wheeling-and-dealing route to incorporate the Tajiks, Uzbeks, etc. more efficiently. The fact that they are a religious-based organization, they can readily transcend their majority-ethnic background when necessary:
    “The Taliban is gaining dangerous leverage by recruiting Tajiks, Turkmen, and Uzbeks.”
    http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/15/ethnic-minorities-are-fueling-the-talibans-expansion-in-afghanistan/

    Peace.
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  57. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    If you were to walk up to the average American on the street and ask him if he thinks America should be imposing its system and values on foreigners, he would tell you that we need to fix our own country and its worsening problems before trying to save the rest of the world from itself.
     
    Not true, unfortunately, at least in my experience.

    Also, appealing to the American people is futile; they are in no position to make their preferences stick and that's because the system was designed for the benefit of the ruling "elite" and to exclude the people.

    Not true, unfortunately, at least in my experience.

    I think there is in fact a sizable (and growing) number of Americans, myself included, who genuinely oppose our rulers’ warmongering and “regime changing” just on principle, but indeed, sadly, I think American non-interventionists do need to accept that a large portion of our fellow average citizens do enthusiastically support it. These tend to be mainstream conservatives who rely on MSM outlets for their information and swallow the propaganda hook, line & sinker. But I think that for many of them, their support comes not necessarily just from some coarse, general hatred of foreigners but rather as a political/social badge of identification. They support the wars because their domestic political opponents (usually people on the Left) tend to oppose them, because they believe it’s the “patriotic” thing to do, and that those Democrats who oppose the wars are disrespecting our troops who “defend our freedom” and so on and so forth (and similarly, those on the Left often oppose the wars primarily because it’s what’s politically expected of them and because their opponents on the mainstream Right tend to support them). It’s just another symptom of the increasing political polarization among Americans between the mainstream “left” and “right,” just as our masters desire.

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    I think there is in fact a sizable (and growing) number of Americans, myself included, who genuinely oppose our rulers’ warmongering and “regime changing” just on principle, but indeed, sadly, I think American non-interventionists do need to accept that a large portion of our fellow average citizens do enthusiastically support it. These tend to be mainstream conservatives...

    But I think that for many of them, their support comes not necessarily just from some coarse, general hatred of foreigners but rather as a political/social badge of identification. They support the wars because their domestic political opponents (usually people on the Left) tend to oppose them, because they believe it’s the “patriotic” thing to do...

     

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  58. @Cyrano
    Wait a second here. Are you trying to say that Reagan was wrong when he said that the "Talibans are moral equivalents of America's founding fathers"

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2014/06/06/these-gentlemen-are-the-moral-equivalent-of-americas-founding-fathers/

    lol

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  59. Talha says:
    @Anonymous
    Aren't you oversimplifying things a bit? Aren't yhe Taliban nearly all Pashtun? And isn't a Taliban government likely to face the same non-Pashtun enemies as before? Couldn't many outsiders continue to keep Afghanistan mired in civil inter ethnic war?

    Which is why I said certain districts. And yes they will likely face some opposition, but before 9/11 they had control of 90-95% of their country, so yeah – it’s just a matter of time. If they learned their lesson from the first time, they will go the wheeling-and-dealing route to incorporate the Tajiks, Uzbeks, etc. more efficiently. The fact that they are a religious-based organization, they can readily transcend their majority-ethnic background when necessary:
    “The Taliban is gaining dangerous leverage by recruiting Tajiks, Turkmen, and Uzbeks.”

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/15/ethnic-minorities-are-fueling-the-talibans-expansion-in-afghanistan/

    Peace.

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  60. You would have been better to have just posted the letter real or manufactured. Your narratives are full of speculative unsupported accusation.

    The groups we call Al Qaeda today are not the Al Qaeda that aided Afghanistan in their fight against the Soviets. Linking them to Al Qaeda of 2001 and their larger objectives against the royal family in Saudi Arabia, the US and others is an inaccurate description of their agenda.

    The Taliban’s concerns were local, regional and national within the the borders of Afghanistan.

    They had nothing to do with 9/11. Nor is there any evidence that they supported the attack. An invasion jumped the gun about what was essentially an matter of extradition. It is not uncommon for extradition of criminals to take years, even from friendly countries on this hemisphere. It is not uncommon for an extradition from Canada to take six years. And even more common is that extradition from Mexico may take as long as — never.

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  61. Cundalini says:

    The former Soviet Union fell shortly after it left Afghanistan and thousands of its traumatised and disillusioned soldiers returned home to broken country built on lies and deceit.

    We might be well served to keep our soldiers there as long as possible?

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  62. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Please give an easier and more direct reference or link to use. Prankster sounds right from just this thread.

    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/a-never-trump-press-in-near-panic/

    see comment thread 32/36/41/43.

    Please then tell us what you think.

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    What does that have to do with Ilyana? Your comment aimed at her [?] was where you started.
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  63. wayfarer says:
    @Anonymous

    Not true, unfortunately, at least in my experience.
     
    I think there is in fact a sizable (and growing) number of Americans, myself included, who genuinely oppose our rulers' warmongering and "regime changing" just on principle, but indeed, sadly, I think American non-interventionists do need to accept that a large portion of our fellow average citizens do enthusiastically support it. These tend to be mainstream conservatives who rely on MSM outlets for their information and swallow the propaganda hook, line & sinker. But I think that for many of them, their support comes not necessarily just from some coarse, general hatred of foreigners but rather as a political/social badge of identification. They support the wars because their domestic political opponents (usually people on the Left) tend to oppose them, because they believe it's the "patriotic" thing to do, and that those Democrats who oppose the wars are disrespecting our troops who "defend our freedom" and so on and so forth (and similarly, those on the Left often oppose the wars primarily because it's what's politically expected of them and because their opponents on the mainstream Right tend to support them). It's just another symptom of the increasing political polarization among Americans between the mainstream "left" and "right," just as our masters desire.

    I think there is in fact a sizable (and growing) number of Americans, myself included, who genuinely oppose our rulers’ warmongering and “regime changing” just on principle, but indeed, sadly, I think American non-interventionists do need to accept that a large portion of our fellow average citizens do enthusiastically support it. These tend to be mainstream conservatives…

    But I think that for many of them, their support comes not necessarily just from some coarse, general hatred of foreigners but rather as a political/social badge of identification. They support the wars because their domestic political opponents (usually people on the Left) tend to oppose them, because they believe it’s the “patriotic” thing to do…

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    [ ( 1 / 7,600,000,000 ) x 100 ] ~ 0.0000000132%

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  64. kinda crazy how the taliban appears to have more sanity than us govt.

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  65. KA says:
    @Cyrano
    Right on. As a Balkan subject myself, they used to tell us stories when we were kids, about how the Turks would come to a village and steal the most impressive physical specimens from their families.

    And while taken away, their mothers will yell their Christian names to their boys – not to forget who they are. Yeah, right, like that would have helped any. The Ottoman empire was genocidal from start to finish and it just cracks me up when the Turks complain about the Armenian genocide being branded as such. Sensitive people, those Turks.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Janissary-corps

    Appearances are can be deceptive . But using the poor against their wishes have been well perfected by British US and Europeans . Since poor soul was not always there to begin with,the poor brigade had to be created out of the ashes of gun powder or phosphorus by destroying their economies and livelihood. ISIS is the result of Bremer-Kissinger-Cheney-Feith polices . Now these “Janissary” carry out the jobs that American born white native would have been instead ,if these IS were not available .They are being ferried across deserts and seas to cause mayhem from Philippines to Mali .

    Nobody will ever accuse US or the European ancestors of missing or lacking in ideas , reasons and logic . They have through wordsmithing generated so many buzz words and talking points that one semester in university will not do the justice .One needs few years to unmask the culture ,science ,economic,and psychology underpinning it . Al Quida janissary was transferred to Baku Azerbaijan in 1990 to topple the 1st President . These janissary ,nurtured and cultured and marinated by the stew that was half Saudi and half American in making , have never balked at the idea off carrying out massacre here and there to suit US interests . Before their creations, there were destructions .

    Merecnaries or volunteer army from Central America ,Sub Sahara Africa join US army or US run corporate army because the countries they come from have been eviscerated and emptied off -both figuratively and materially by US and Europeans for last 300 years.

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  66. KenH says:

    While I may quibble somewhat with the Taliban’s claims it’s fair to say that after almost seventeen years of occupation that Afghanistan is far worse off than when the Taliban was in control. The region is worse off.

    They only hearts and minds we’ve one are those who we’ve generously paid off. America is worse off financially in addition to losing good men in a totally pointless conflict where’s there no objective and where we foolishly think we can outlast the Taliban who are on no timetable and have all the time in the world.

    It’s simply time to pack up and come home and let the Afghans sort things out for themselves.

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  67. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/a-never-trump-press-in-near-panic/

    see comment thread 32/36/41/43.

    Please then tell us what you think.

    What does that have to do with Ilyana? Your comment aimed at her [?] was where you started.

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    Sorry, now you've lost (or pranked?) me.

    Just read those numbered comments to see how Ilyana seized on another commenter's misspelling of Nobel by feigning ignorance and overdoing the faux Russian-speaking-English, how I confronted Ilyana, and how Ilyana deflected with gibberish.

    I appreciate humorous commentary, especially parody. But Ilyana - like Tiny Duck and Corvinus - has become compulsive. (There are much funnier commenters here than these three, too.) When others engage them, they keep going. Eventually, the commentary degrades, and the better commenters move elsewhere to be replaced by what one can now see at Takimag and, worse yet, ZeroHedge.
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  68. “The 21st century belongs to those who”… survive.

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  69. Sam J. says:
    @John Gruskos
    Matt is absolutely correct.

    The Taliban supported Al-Qaeda, and Al-Qaeda in turn wants a global Sunni Caliphate which will impose the Sunni interpretation of sharia law onto the entire world.

    The 2001 campaign in Afghanistan was absolutely justified as retaliation for Al-Qaeda terrorist attacks on the American homeland, on American diplomatic outposts, and on the homelands and diplomatic outposts of our European allies.

    But now that our interventionist foreign policy is actually benefiting Al-Qaeda in Syria and Yemen, it is time to bring home all American servicemen, end all economic sanctions, end all foreign aid, and end arms sales to Israel, Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

    This will lead to the destruction of Al-Qaeda's at the hands of their local enemies (Russia, Syria, Iran, and various Shiite and secular nationalist militias).

    We can protect our homeland from radical Sunni terrorists such as Al-Qaeda and ISIS without spending a single dollar or shedding a single drop of blood, if we simply enact an immigration moratorium. They can't hurt us if we don't let them come here.

    “…campaign in Afghanistan was absolutely justified as retaliation for Al-Qaeda terrorist attacks on the American homeland…”

    Let’s not be absurd. Anyone with minimum common sense knows the Jews did 9-11.

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    The Israel lobby wants the United States to attack nations and movements which Israel considers to be enemies.

    The Israeli enemy list consists mostly of Shiites (Iran, Hezbollah, etc.), secular Arab nationalists (Saddam Hussein, Qaddafi, Assad, PFLP, etc.), European nationalists, and the Russians who are perceived as supporters of all these groups.

    If 9/11 was an Israeli false flag, then why didn't they frame Iran, Hezbollah, Assad, Saddam Hussein or some Palestinian group? Why didn't they frame Russia, or White nationalists?

    The last thing the Israel lobby wanted was for the US military to get distracted in Afghanistan.

    The fact that the perpetrators were radical Sunni jihadists was a major embarrassment for the establishment. The neocons have a history of friendship with the world's most radical Sunni regime, Saudi Arabia. The neocons also have a history of using radical Sunni jihadists for proxy wars, beginning with Brzezinski's 1979 decision to arm the mujaheddin in Afghanistan, and continuing in Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen.

    But even if 9/11 itself was a false flag (which I do not concede), in the years since 1990 there have been dozen of other radical Sunni terrorist attacks on the American homeland, the homelands of our European brothers, and on American and European diplomatic outposts, resulting in hundreds of American and European deaths. During the same time period there have been no attacks on the American or European homelands or diplomatic outposts on the part of secular Arab nationalists, and only the Burgas attack appears to have been the work of Shiite jihadists.

    Again, the neocons want war with secular Arab nationalists such as Assad and Shiites such as Iran, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. On the other hand, they view ISIS and Al-Qaeda as useful proxies to be used to weaken Iran, Syria, and Russia.

    If they went to all the trouble of carrying out dozens of false flags, why didn't they even once frame the people the are eager to destroy?

    The simplest explanation is, all of these radical Sunni terrorist attacks are exactly what they seem to be - a continuation of the 1368 year old Sunni war against European Christian civilization which began in 650 AD when Muawiya sent the first Muslim fleets to attack the Greek islands.

    These terrorist attacks embarrass the establishment, because the establishment would prefer to use Sunni terrorists as assets against Russia, European nationalists, secular Arab nationalists, Shiites, and anyone else perceived as an enemy of Israel.

    By denying the reality of radical Sunni terrorism, you 9/11 conspiracy theorists are helping the neocons.

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  70. Sam J. says:
    @Bill Jones
    You are full of shit. The Afghan government was willing to turn over Bin Laden just as soon as the US showed any evidence he had anything to with 9/11
    The.crap never ends, does it?

    Of course the US never turned over any evidence because the Jews did 9-11.

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  71. Sam J. says:
    @Paolo
    Whoever buys into the official “Osama Bin Laden” 9/11 story is basically an idiot.

    +100%

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  72. Sam J. says:
    @jilles dykstra
    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/418986-syria-israel-plane-down/
    The article argues that Israel operates as El Quaida's air force in Syria.
    The mess, that has been created, by the west, I fear, in the ME, is beyond all comprehension.
    This mess not only hurts the common people there, but, by causing mass migration, will destroy western civilisation.
    Very cynical people wonder if all this was planned.

    “…The mess, that has been created, by the west, I fear, in the ME, is beyond all comprehension…”

    It’s not beyond my comprehension. The Jews did 9-11 to tie us up in their plan for a greater Israel to be won by attacking their neighbors and splitting them in smaller sectarian pieces. I mean they wrote a paper outlining the whole thing. Didn’t you see it?? I bet you did and in actuality the whole reason for your comment is to confuse people from the real culprits, the Jews.

    This is why we need to get rid of the Jews and never again allow them in our country or have anything to do with our affairs. Continuous lies, attacks and blatant distortions of the truth. It becomes so tiresome. We would be a happy, wonderful and progressive country if we just got rid of the Jews.

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  73. Sam J. says:
    @Jake
    "The problem here is that these Islamists are just as globalist as the Zionists. The Taliban’s striking a disingenuous posture here, acting like they’re standing for sovereignty and identity in this open letter while being as committed as America’s military-industrial lobby to threatening the sovereignty and security of foreign peoples. The Taliban’s aligned with ISIS and Al Qaeda against the Ba’ath Party in Syria, just as they were hostile to Iraq’s Ba’ath Party."

    Perhaps the most important stupidity of our Middle East policy is highlighted above.

    And it should draw attention back to the fact that Jews are suicidal. Jews, when free to acquire massive wealth and attendant political power, invariably push all envelopes until the blowback hits with a vengeance.

    They do so because they have chosen anti-Christ, and being the race from which the Messias would spring, it makes them crazy as all Hell. They are desperate to prove that their choosing anti-Christ cannot be bad, much less damnable. Thus they push the envelope, cursing God the Father to prove they are indeed the ever beloved Chosen Race that must be saved no matter what evil it perpetrates.

    Anglosphere Evangelicals, the spawn of the arch-Judaizing heretics the Anglo-Saxon Puritans, invariably blubber that because Jews are the permanent Chosen Race, God will always save them and bless them, and likewise that God will curse those who fail to bow to Jewish desires to lead and acquire.

    History declares that Judaizing Anglosphere Evangelicals have it backwards. Those who aid the Jews in their evil deeds eventually are caught up in the inevitable blowback

    “…And it should draw attention back to the fact that Jews are suicidal. Jews, when free to acquire massive wealth and attendant political power, invariably push all envelopes until the blowback hits with a vengeance…”

    It’s absolutely true. They have little control over themselves. I don’t think they can help it.

    It’s like their comments here. It’s a lot of the same Hasbara and it’s amazing they keep telling the same lies and trying the same worn verbal tricks to change the subject or pretend that it anyone but the Jews that is responsible for our present path.

    I think if we don’t get rid of them they will eventually try to murder us like the did the Russians. Never give your arms because there’s not enough of them to matter if we’re armed.

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  74. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    What does that have to do with Ilyana? Your comment aimed at her [?] was where you started.

    Sorry, now you’ve lost (or pranked?) me.

    Just read those numbered comments to see how Ilyana seized on another commenter’s misspelling of Nobel by feigning ignorance and overdoing the faux Russian-speaking-English, how I confronted Ilyana, and how Ilyana deflected with gibberish.

    I appreciate humorous commentary, especially parody. But Ilyana – like Tiny Duck and Corvinus – has become compulsive. (There are much funnier commenters here than these three, too.) When others engage them, they keep going. Eventually, the commentary degrades, and the better commenters move elsewhere to be replaced by what one can now see at Takimag and, worse yet, ZeroHedge.

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  75. Sam J. says:
    @RebelWriter
    "Let’s not forget to add Putin to that list."

    This comment is probably typical of your average American, so deep in the Matrix that there is little hope for them. To be so certain is comforting; certain that this Putin is a bad guy, certain your country is the good guy, and certain your tax dollars are going to good use.

    I hate to offer the black pill, but I have little hope for our country, or the world, especially the white European world. There is ample evidence that a minority of thoughtful people have woken up and begun to question what's going on, but there's ample evidence that the majority are still controlled by popular culture and the MSM, and don't even want to examine it.

    The only thing I'm certain of is that there is little I can be certain of. I don't know what to make of Putin, really, but I don't believe he's a fanatical imperialist. No, the fanatical imperialists are not Russian, and not really American, but are globalists, though their HQ is in Washington.

    “… hate to offer the black pill, but I have little hope for our country…”

    Don’t lose hope. Things get stuck in one pattern until…they aren’t. Germany was way more controlled than the US is now. They also had no internet. There was very little alternate information like we have now. The Jews have destroyed their big blowing horn mouthpiece the mass media. NO ONE BELIEVES THEM. I mean no one, no one really believes them. They may use it as a reference but deep down Trump and their attacks on him have failed.[Not that I'm a total Trump fan boy but he has done us some favors]. I think a lot of people are just not sure yet what the truth is but they know whatever the media and the government are telling them isn’t it. These things seem to happen very quickly. One day it’s all moving along then the whole system falls apart all at once. If the economy crashes make sure and tell everyone you can that the Jews are responsible, because they are.

    That’s why I’m always saying we need to get rid of the Jews. It’s coming. They’ve been thrown out of every single country they’ve been to in any numbers. It’s just a matter of time.

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  76. Yurivku is a Zionist mole on this site. But do not take my word for it. You need observe him a little bit carefully. He has some little helpers also.

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  77. Druid says:
    @jilles dykstra
    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/418986-syria-israel-plane-down/
    The article argues that Israel operates as El Quaida's air force in Syria.
    The mess, that has been created, by the west, I fear, in the ME, is beyond all comprehension.
    This mess not only hurts the common people there, but, by causing mass migration, will destroy western civilisation.
    Very cynical people wonder if all this was planned.

    Of course this was all planned. Yinon, etc. the Zios and the neocons are all behind this.

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  78. Druid says:
    @jacques sheete

    The Taliban supported Al-Qaeda, and Al-Qaeda in turn wants a global Sunni Caliphate which will impose the Sunni interpretation of sharia law onto the entire world.
     
    Credible sources, please.

    Speaking of control, chew on this a bit.:

    ”Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.

    Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.”According to Yosef, death has “no dominion” over non-Jews in Israel.

    "Hate the Gentile!" Israel’s Racist Rabbis, by JONATHAN COOK
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/12/10/israel-s-racist-rabbis/
     
    You may be looking for hate in all the wrong places, cowboy!

    That’s it. That’s the plan

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  79. Druid says:
    @Cyrano
    Right on. As a Balkan subject myself, they used to tell us stories when we were kids, about how the Turks would come to a village and steal the most impressive physical specimens from their families.

    And while taken away, their mothers will yell their Christian names to their boys – not to forget who they are. Yeah, right, like that would have helped any. The Ottoman empire was genocidal from start to finish and it just cracks me up when the Turks complain about the Armenian genocide being branded as such. Sensitive people, those Turks.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Janissary-corps

    And those youngsters became educated, or Janisseries, and many gained great power in the Ottoman Empire

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  80. Druid says:
    @Cyrano
    Right on. As a Balkan subject myself, they used to tell us stories when we were kids, about how the Turks would come to a village and steal the most impressive physical specimens from their families.

    And while taken away, their mothers will yell their Christian names to their boys – not to forget who they are. Yeah, right, like that would have helped any. The Ottoman empire was genocidal from start to finish and it just cracks me up when the Turks complain about the Armenian genocide being branded as such. Sensitive people, those Turks.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Janissary-corps

    And those youngsters became educated, or Janisseries, and many gained great power in the Ottoman Empire

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    I sense a lot of envy towards the Janissaries. If you think that Islam offers such great career opportunities - why don't you go and volunteer for a suicide-bomber? I am sure they'll fit you with the latest fashion designer suicide vest that will make you feel like a success for a fraction of a second.
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  81. Cyrano says:
    @Druid
    And those youngsters became educated, or Janisseries, and many gained great power in the Ottoman Empire

    I sense a lot of envy towards the Janissaries. If you think that Islam offers such great career opportunities – why don’t you go and volunteer for a suicide-bomber? I am sure they’ll fit you with the latest fashion designer suicide vest that will make you feel like a success for a fraction of a second.

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    I think you'd like to join the IDF...
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  82. Moi says:
    @Talha
    Generally good take, but there is no evidence the Taliban have designs beyond their borders. They are at war with ISIS currently- a quick search on google will confirm this through plenty of legitimate sources.

    The Taliban doesn’t give a hoot about what’s happening outside Afghanistan. Our writer just got carried away on that non-issue.

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    This is the conclusion I've come to. And a lot has to do with their nature and culture. They are a simple, unsophisticated, land-locked people; their concerns are provincial. Though their hardiness and spirituality can be quite impressive. They don't have the grand designs that some of the foreigners who came to fight against the Soviets did.

    I remember once - we had the pleasure of hosting an Egyptian doctor for a few days at my apartment in UCLA. He was a veteran of the jihad against the Soviets and served as a field medic. He had some very interesting and funny accounts. He mentioned how they would let him lead prayers once in a while, but would sneak off afterwards and make up the prayer since they weren't sure his was valid (he had a short beard and sometimes didn't wear a cap when praying). They didn't want to confront him about it since they valued him a lot and they were an honor-based society so you avoid shaming a guest.

    Peace.
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  83. Moi says:
    @Cyrano
    I sense a lot of envy towards the Janissaries. If you think that Islam offers such great career opportunities - why don't you go and volunteer for a suicide-bomber? I am sure they'll fit you with the latest fashion designer suicide vest that will make you feel like a success for a fraction of a second.

    I think you’d like to join the IDF…

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    No, you go ahead and join them. You seem a better fit, intelligence wise.
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  84. @Sam J.
    "...campaign in Afghanistan was absolutely justified as retaliation for Al-Qaeda terrorist attacks on the American homeland..."

    Let's not be absurd. Anyone with minimum common sense knows the Jews did 9-11.

    The Israel lobby wants the United States to attack nations and movements which Israel considers to be enemies.

    The Israeli enemy list consists mostly of Shiites (Iran, Hezbollah, etc.), secular Arab nationalists (Saddam Hussein, Qaddafi, Assad, PFLP, etc.), European nationalists, and the Russians who are perceived as supporters of all these groups.

    If 9/11 was an Israeli false flag, then why didn’t they frame Iran, Hezbollah, Assad, Saddam Hussein or some Palestinian group? Why didn’t they frame Russia, or White nationalists?

    The last thing the Israel lobby wanted was for the US military to get distracted in Afghanistan.

    The fact that the perpetrators were radical Sunni jihadists was a major embarrassment for the establishment. The neocons have a history of friendship with the world’s most radical Sunni regime, Saudi Arabia. The neocons also have a history of using radical Sunni jihadists for proxy wars, beginning with Brzezinski’s 1979 decision to arm the mujaheddin in Afghanistan, and continuing in Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen.

    But even if 9/11 itself was a false flag (which I do not concede), in the years since 1990 there have been dozen of other radical Sunni terrorist attacks on the American homeland, the homelands of our European brothers, and on American and European diplomatic outposts, resulting in hundreds of American and European deaths. During the same time period there have been no attacks on the American or European homelands or diplomatic outposts on the part of secular Arab nationalists, and only the Burgas attack appears to have been the work of Shiite jihadists.

    Again, the neocons want war with secular Arab nationalists such as Assad and Shiites such as Iran, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. On the other hand, they view ISIS and Al-Qaeda as useful proxies to be used to weaken Iran, Syria, and Russia.

    If they went to all the trouble of carrying out dozens of false flags, why didn’t they even once frame the people the are eager to destroy?

    The simplest explanation is, all of these radical Sunni terrorist attacks are exactly what they seem to be – a continuation of the 1368 year old Sunni war against European Christian civilization which began in 650 AD when Muawiya sent the first Muslim fleets to attack the Greek islands.

    These terrorist attacks embarrass the establishment, because the establishment would prefer to use Sunni terrorists as assets against Russia, European nationalists, secular Arab nationalists, Shiites, and anyone else perceived as an enemy of Israel.

    By denying the reality of radical Sunni terrorism, you 9/11 conspiracy theorists are helping the neocons.

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  85. Talha says:
    @Moi
    The Taliban doesn't give a hoot about what's happening outside Afghanistan. Our writer just got carried away on that non-issue.

    This is the conclusion I’ve come to. And a lot has to do with their nature and culture. They are a simple, unsophisticated, land-locked people; their concerns are provincial. Though their hardiness and spirituality can be quite impressive. They don’t have the grand designs that some of the foreigners who came to fight against the Soviets did.

    I remember once – we had the pleasure of hosting an Egyptian doctor for a few days at my apartment in UCLA. He was a veteran of the jihad against the Soviets and served as a field medic. He had some very interesting and funny accounts. He mentioned how they would let him lead prayers once in a while, but would sneak off afterwards and make up the prayer since they weren’t sure his was valid (he had a short beard and sometimes didn’t wear a cap when praying). They didn’t want to confront him about it since they valued him a lot and they were an honor-based society so you avoid shaming a guest.

    Peace.

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    Would saying ASAK be appropriate here :-) ???

    I am somewhat familiar with the Afghan/Pashtun culture and, you're right, they are a traditional and conservative society. What I don't like seeing is other people judging them from what they perceive to be their superior perch, culture and, dare I say it, exceptionalism.

    As I'm sure you know, each Muslim has the right to interpret the religion and much of what creeps into the religion in different countries are the peculiarities of the person/culture/country. And some of it is outside traditional Islam. So now we have groups like the IS and Muslims just going at each other--and none of this is Islamic or how any Muslim should behave.

    What what really pisses me off is how our "experts" have turned concepts like jihad, sharia into something evil--with zilch understanding. In fact, in the "open-minded" western world Islam and Muslims are now evil. Heck, few here can even pronounce Muslim correctly.

    Okay, done with my rant :-)

    salaam and shukran/shukria
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  86. JustJeff says:
    @jilles dykstra
    I for a long time wondered what the USA was doing in Afghanistan.
    I discovered that the country is abundant in lithium.
    Likewise the now 'independent' state of Kosovo is the region in Europe richest in all kinds of minerals.

    Yeah cause a country that’s one giant war zone is ideal for large scale mining operations.

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  87. Cyrano says:
    @Moi
    I think you'd like to join the IDF...

    No, you go ahead and join them. You seem a better fit, intelligence wise.

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    Frankly, I'd rather join our boys/gals as go take out non-existent WMDs and make side trips to Libya, Syria--and to about another 150 countries. Hey, we could teach the Taliban...and you seem smart enough to be the one for that job.
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  88. moi says:
    @Cyrano
    No, you go ahead and join them. You seem a better fit, intelligence wise.

    Frankly, I’d rather join our boys/gals as go take out non-existent WMDs and make side trips to Libya, Syria–and to about another 150 countries. Hey, we could teach the Taliban…and you seem smart enough to be the one for that job.

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  89. Moi says:
    @Talha
    This is the conclusion I've come to. And a lot has to do with their nature and culture. They are a simple, unsophisticated, land-locked people; their concerns are provincial. Though their hardiness and spirituality can be quite impressive. They don't have the grand designs that some of the foreigners who came to fight against the Soviets did.

    I remember once - we had the pleasure of hosting an Egyptian doctor for a few days at my apartment in UCLA. He was a veteran of the jihad against the Soviets and served as a field medic. He had some very interesting and funny accounts. He mentioned how they would let him lead prayers once in a while, but would sneak off afterwards and make up the prayer since they weren't sure his was valid (he had a short beard and sometimes didn't wear a cap when praying). They didn't want to confront him about it since they valued him a lot and they were an honor-based society so you avoid shaming a guest.

    Peace.

    Would saying ASAK be appropriate here :-) ???

    I am somewhat familiar with the Afghan/Pashtun culture and, you’re right, they are a traditional and conservative society. What I don’t like seeing is other people judging them from what they perceive to be their superior perch, culture and, dare I say it, exceptionalism.

    As I’m sure you know, each Muslim has the right to interpret the religion and much of what creeps into the religion in different countries are the peculiarities of the person/culture/country. And some of it is outside traditional Islam. So now we have groups like the IS and Muslims just going at each other–and none of this is Islamic or how any Muslim should behave.

    What what really pisses me off is how our “experts” have turned concepts like jihad, sharia into something evil–with zilch understanding. In fact, in the “open-minded” western world Islam and Muslims are now evil. Heck, few here can even pronounce Muslim correctly.

    Okay, done with my rant :-)

    salaam and shukran/shukria

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    Salaam Moi,

    What I don’t like seeing is other people judging them from what they perceive to be their superior perch, culture and, dare I say it, exceptionalism.
     
    Totally agree, sure they aren't materially advanced but if you've met with some, they have some very impressive things about their culture. One thing I found fascinating is how much they love, honor and respect their mothers - it is shocking to see grown men treat them with such deference, but it is quite charming and makes one feel like a heel for not giving one's own mother such respect.

    And some of it is outside traditional Islam...and none of this is Islamic or how any Muslim should behave.
     
    Agreed.

    I think that is the best way to change some of the issues in Afghan culture. They are tough people, you are not going to get anywhere by trying to force them to change their culture with force of arms. They will double-down and fight you even more ferociously. The better way is to send some of the scholars and teachers from other Muslim lands to dialog with them to open up their perspective in how they can move forward while still keeping not abandoning their traditional life.

    Wa salaam - laa shukra a laa waajib.
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  90. Talha says:
    @Moi
    Would saying ASAK be appropriate here :-) ???

    I am somewhat familiar with the Afghan/Pashtun culture and, you're right, they are a traditional and conservative society. What I don't like seeing is other people judging them from what they perceive to be their superior perch, culture and, dare I say it, exceptionalism.

    As I'm sure you know, each Muslim has the right to interpret the religion and much of what creeps into the religion in different countries are the peculiarities of the person/culture/country. And some of it is outside traditional Islam. So now we have groups like the IS and Muslims just going at each other--and none of this is Islamic or how any Muslim should behave.

    What what really pisses me off is how our "experts" have turned concepts like jihad, sharia into something evil--with zilch understanding. In fact, in the "open-minded" western world Islam and Muslims are now evil. Heck, few here can even pronounce Muslim correctly.

    Okay, done with my rant :-)

    salaam and shukran/shukria

    Salaam Moi,

    What I don’t like seeing is other people judging them from what they perceive to be their superior perch, culture and, dare I say it, exceptionalism.

    Totally agree, sure they aren’t materially advanced but if you’ve met with some, they have some very impressive things about their culture. One thing I found fascinating is how much they love, honor and respect their mothers – it is shocking to see grown men treat them with such deference, but it is quite charming and makes one feel like a heel for not giving one’s own mother such respect.

    And some of it is outside traditional Islam…and none of this is Islamic or how any Muslim should behave.

    Agreed.

    I think that is the best way to change some of the issues in Afghan culture. They are tough people, you are not going to get anywhere by trying to force them to change their culture with force of arms. They will double-down and fight you even more ferociously. The better way is to send some of the scholars and teachers from other Muslim lands to dialog with them to open up their perspective in how they can move forward while still keeping not abandoning their traditional life.

    Wa salaam – laa shukra a laa waajib.

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  91. Imagine! At one tine Muslim caliphate spread from Spain to depths of China.
    The times of past glory.

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  92. pilgrim says:

    Has any of you thought for a moment that Jesus Christ Sovereign over heaven and earth , has been using all the evil people without them knowing it ?

    If a government does not punish the evil and praise the good , measured on a stick of do unto others has you would have them done to you . That government has no privilege to exist .
    America , fake israel has their judgements coming .

    How about these arabs ? Is it happening now to them for thousands of years of incest , putting stumbling blocs before their children etc . ?

    If it were up to this little pilgrim living in america , we would let the entire world destroy itself as it has been done for thousands of years

    The fact that Jesus Christ allowed the rogue zionists in the UK and america including “christian variety” to invade all these lands teaches us something .

    Jesus Christ wanted to shed a light on how evil man by nature have become , from whatever backround they are from .

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